From robotbill at gmail.com  Wed Sep  4 04:53:31 2013
From: robotbill at gmail.com (Joe Lewis)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:53:31 -0700
Subject: [portland] Next Meeting Tuesday September 10th,
	6:30pm @ Urban Airship
Message-ID: <9BA0AD67-5064-4A4B-83E4-BF12A1C7F37C@gmail.com>

At this month's presentation night Miguel Grinberg will be giving an introduction to the micro-web-framework Flask.

After the talks we'll head over to Rogue Distillery & Public House to continue the conversation.

From michelle at pdxpython.org  Wed Sep 11 08:38:52 2013
From: michelle at pdxpython.org (Michelle Rowley)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 02:38:52 -0400
Subject: [portland] Presentation night recap,
	reminders and a new resource to check out
Message-ID: <CAE7UraPmBnG+N7qHR6u8N1HR6goAKJ2Rwui1YxPbnGJ=Xf1E-A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

Thanks again to Miguel and Justin for two excellent talks tonight.

Here are the Flask resources Miguel mentioned:
Flask posts on his blog (including a tutorial!):
http://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/category/Flask
Sample code from his talk: https://github.com/miguelgrinberg/Flask-Intro

Justin gave a great overview of the Page Object
Pattern<http://code.google.com/p/selenium/wiki/PageObjects>in
Selenium.

Have a talk to share? Let an organizer
know<pdx-python-organizers at googlegroups.com>.
Your community would love to hear from you!


*** Reminders ***
Hack Night this month will NOT be at Urban
Airship<http://www.meetup.com/pdxpython/events/131882272/>as their
venue is already booked. We will most likely be at CrowdCompass on
the east side joining forces with Ruby Hack+Help. We will confirm next week
and send another email, as well as updating the Meetup
event<http://www.meetup.com/pdxpython/events/131882272/>
.

Django PDX is happening this Thursday at New
Relic<http://www.meetup.com/pdxpython/events/138830302/>
.

6th annual Summer Coders' Social is this
Saturday<http://www.meetup.com/pdxpython/events/138251182/>
!


*New Resource*
For anyone who works out of PDX coffee shops, check out Darren Buckner's
new site WorkFrom.co which collects information about work-friendly venues
around Portland.

If you have feedback, Darren would love to hear from
you<darren at darrenbuckner.com>.
His two top questions for site improvement feedback are:

   1. Does workfrom.co satifsy any pain points for you; and if so, which
   ones?
   2. Is there information you'd like to see included that is not currently
   included for each location?


See ya next time,
Michelle

Michelle Rowley
http://www.michellerowley.com/
Organizer, Portland Python User Group <http://www.meetup.com/pdxpython/>
Executive Director, Code Scouts <http://www.codescouts.org/>
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From robb at weblaws.org  Sat Sep 14 03:32:26 2013
From: robb at weblaws.org (Robb Shecter)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:32:26 -0700
Subject: [portland] Switching to a Google Group for the mailing list?
Message-ID: <CABQwFw8SkO2vvOidP+vw1YVJo3J0GB3s3Qc=ifNUJaT95RnONA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Everyone,

I'm getting connected to the Python scene here in Portland, and I'm
surprised to see the discussions still using gnu mailman. The ruby people
use a google group - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pdxruby - and
it makes everything easier. E.g., searching (I wouldn't need to write this
post), and posting jobs (mailman definitely sets a high bar for entry).
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From jchampion at zetacentauri.com  Mon Sep 16 00:08:24 2013
From: jchampion at zetacentauri.com (Jason Champion)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 15:08:24 -0700
Subject: [portland] Switching to a Google Group for the mailing list?
In-Reply-To: <CABQwFw8SkO2vvOidP+vw1YVJo3J0GB3s3Qc=ifNUJaT95RnONA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABQwFw8SkO2vvOidP+vw1YVJo3J0GB3s3Qc=ifNUJaT95RnONA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52362FD8.6060602@zetacentauri.com>

Hi Robb, and welcome.

I'm not sure it's worth hassling everyone with switching to another 
mailing list. I think that's why we've been using mailman for centuries. 
It works, is written in Python, and Google won't just decide to nuke it 
one day because they're tired of it. But you're right - it could be 
prettier and more friendly.

A searchable message archive would be a good thing to add to the "wish 
list" for the group's in-process website design+build, regardless of 
platform.

Cheers,
Jason

On 09/13/2013 06:32 PM, Robb Shecter wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
>
> I'm getting connected to the Python scene here in Portland, and I'm
> surprised to see the discussions still using gnu mailman. The ruby people
> use a google group - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pdxruby - and
> it makes everything easier. E.g., searching (I wouldn't need to write this
> post), and posting jobs (mailman definitely sets a high bar for entry).
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> Portland mailing list
> Portland at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland


From bob.erb at gmail.com  Mon Sep 16 00:10:36 2013
From: bob.erb at gmail.com (Bob Erb)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 15:10:36 -0700
Subject: [portland] Switching to a Google Group for the mailing list?
In-Reply-To: <CABQwFw8SkO2vvOidP+vw1YVJo3J0GB3s3Qc=ifNUJaT95RnONA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABQwFw8SkO2vvOidP+vw1YVJo3J0GB3s3Qc=ifNUJaT95RnONA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOQ+LZaWOw3ethJcOWCBxVE98q0tK3ioVTgm9=fRhKLs7A_taw@mail.gmail.com>

-1 for Google groups.

"Big G knows enough about each of us already," said bob.erb at gmail.com

Still, mailman is one of the most successful Python programs ever.  Plus,
open software, free as in some speech, etc.

Also, of course, "ruby people"!

;-)

Finally, welcome to Portland and the best and friendly Python community!
On Sep 15, 2013 2:30 PM, "Robb Shecter" <robb at weblaws.org> wrote:

> Hey Everyone,
>
> I'm getting connected to the Python scene here in Portland, and I'm
> surprised to see the discussions still using gnu mailman. The ruby people
> use a google group - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pdxruby - and
> it makes everything easier. E.g., searching (I wouldn't need to write this
> post), and posting jobs (mailman definitely sets a high bar for entry).
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From miguelgrinberg50 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 16 00:21:30 2013
From: miguelgrinberg50 at gmail.com (Miguel)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 15:21:30 -0700
Subject: [portland] Switching to a Google Group for the mailing list?
In-Reply-To: <52362FD8.6060602@zetacentauri.com>
References: <CABQwFw8SkO2vvOidP+vw1YVJo3J0GB3s3Qc=ifNUJaT95RnONA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52362FD8.6060602@zetacentauri.com>
Message-ID: <523632EA.4030405@gmail.com>

 > A searchable message archive would be a good thing to add

Maybe some of you don't know this trick. "Big G" can search the mailman 
archives. Just enter the following search query:

site:mail.python.org inurl:portland <your search query here>

Miguel

On 9/15/2013 3:08 PM, Jason Champion wrote:
> Hi Robb, and welcome.
>
> I'm not sure it's worth hassling everyone with switching to another 
> mailing list. I think that's why we've been using mailman for 
> centuries. It works, is written in Python, and Google won't just 
> decide to nuke it one day because they're tired of it. But you're 
> right - it could be prettier and more friendly.
>
> A searchable message archive would be a good thing to add to the "wish 
> list" for the group's in-process website design+build, regardless of 
> platform.
>
> Cheers,
> Jason
>
> On 09/13/2013 06:32 PM, Robb Shecter wrote:
>> Hey Everyone,
>>
>> I'm getting connected to the Python scene here in Portland, and I'm
>> surprised to see the discussions still using gnu mailman. The ruby 
>> people
>> use a google group - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pdxruby 
>> - and
>> it makes everything easier. E.g., searching (I wouldn't need to write 
>> this
>> post), and posting jobs (mailman definitely sets a high bar for entry).
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>> URL: 
>> <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/portland/attachments/20130913/7d85d819/attachment.html>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Portland mailing list
>> Portland at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>
> _______________________________________________
> Portland mailing list
> Portland at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland


From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Mon Sep 16 00:47:17 2013
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 15:47:17 -0700
Subject: [portland] Switching to a Google Group for the mailing list?
In-Reply-To: <523632EA.4030405@gmail.com>
References: <CABQwFw8SkO2vvOidP+vw1YVJo3J0GB3s3Qc=ifNUJaT95RnONA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52362FD8.6060602@zetacentauri.com> <523632EA.4030405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3TSpkC--8xvtJkjRwBU+yjJtNdoWNJb5qeW6jva8ap=XA@mail.gmail.com>

mailman is a flagship Python project and all the Python.org community
elists use it (e.g. edu-sig, where I hang out).

I think it's in keeping with best practice to stay in mailman, which is not
to cast any aspersions on Google Groups, a fine service I use daily.

Kirby




On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Miguel <miguelgrinberg50 at gmail.com> wrote:

> > A searchable message archive would be a good thing to add
>
> Maybe some of you don't know this trick. "Big G" can search the mailman
> archives. Just enter the following search query:
>
> site:mail.python.org inurl:portland <your search query here>
>
> Miguel
>
>
> On 9/15/2013 3:08 PM, Jason Champion wrote:
>
>> Hi Robb, and welcome.
>>
>> I'm not sure it's worth hassling everyone with switching to another
>> mailing list. I think that's why we've been using mailman for centuries. It
>> works, is written in Python, and Google won't just decide to nuke it one
>> day because they're tired of it. But you're right - it could be prettier
>> and more friendly.
>>
>> A searchable message archive would be a good thing to add to the "wish
>> list" for the group's in-process website design+build, regardless of
>> platform.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jason
>>
>> On 09/13/2013 06:32 PM, Robb Shecter wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm getting connected to the Python scene here in Portland, and I'm
>>> surprised to see the discussions still using gnu mailman. The ruby people
>>> use a google group - https://groups.google.com/**forum/#!forum/pdxruby<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pdxruby>- and
>>> it makes everything easier. E.g., searching (I wouldn't need to write
>>> this
>>> post), and posting jobs (mailman definitely sets a high bar for entry).
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>>> URL: <http://mail.python.org/**pipermail/portland/**
>>> attachments/20130913/7d85d819/**attachment.html<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/portland/attachments/20130913/7d85d819/attachment.html>
>>> >
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> Portland mailing list
>>> Portland at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/portland<https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland>
>>>
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> Portland mailing list
>> Portland at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/portland<https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland>
>>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> Portland mailing list
> Portland at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/portland<https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland>
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From mglover at pobox.com  Mon Sep 16 01:27:09 2013
From: mglover at pobox.com (Mike Glover)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 16:27:09 -0700
Subject: [portland]
 =?utf-8?q?Switching_to_a_Google_Group_for_the_mailing_?=
 =?utf-8?q?list=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CABQwFw8SkO2vvOidP+vw1YVJo3J0GB3s3Qc=ifNUJaT95RnONA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABQwFw8SkO2vvOidP+vw1YVJo3J0GB3s3Qc=ifNUJaT95RnONA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3c1617c99265e2399ccf398b59ddfc2c@pobox.com>


Hmm...as a marginally attached member of the pdx python community, I 
like the "high bar", *especially* for job postings.  Also -- google, ew.

-mg


On 2013-09-13 18:32, Robb Shecter wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
> 
> I'm getting connected to the Python scene here in Portland, and I'm
> surprised to see the discussions still using gnu mailman. The ruby 
> people
> use a google group - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pdxruby - 
> and
> it makes everything easier. E.g., searching (I wouldn't need to write 
> this
> post), and posting jobs (mailman definitely sets a high bar for entry).
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/portland/attachments/20130913/7d85d819/attachment.html>
> _______________________________________________
> Portland mailing list
> Portland at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland

From ethan at stoneleaf.us  Mon Sep 16 01:39:59 2013
From: ethan at stoneleaf.us (Ethan Furman)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 16:39:59 -0700
Subject: [portland] Switching to a Google Group for the mailing list?
In-Reply-To: <3c1617c99265e2399ccf398b59ddfc2c@pobox.com>
References: <CABQwFw8SkO2vvOidP+vw1YVJo3J0GB3s3Qc=ifNUJaT95RnONA@mail.gmail.com>
 <3c1617c99265e2399ccf398b59ddfc2c@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <5236454F.9090809@stoneleaf.us>

On 09/15/2013 04:27 PM, Mike Glover wrote:
>
> Hmm...as a marginally attached member of the pdx python community, I like the "high bar", *especially* for job
> postings.  Also -- google, ew.

Yeah, Google is good at many things, but running a mailing list is not one of them.

--
~Ethan~

From jdunard at extremesolutions.com  Mon Sep 16 04:12:32 2013
From: jdunard at extremesolutions.com (Joan DuNard)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 19:12:32 -0700
Subject: [portland] Switching to a Google Group for the mailing list?
In-Reply-To: <CAPJgG3TSpkC--8xvtJkjRwBU+yjJtNdoWNJb5qeW6jva8ap=XA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABQwFw8SkO2vvOidP+vw1YVJo3J0GB3s3Qc=ifNUJaT95RnONA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52362FD8.6060602@zetacentauri.com> <523632EA.4030405@gmail.com>
 <CAPJgG3TSpkC--8xvtJkjRwBU+yjJtNdoWNJb5qeW6jva8ap=XA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66659D9BC8EA49EC9CA8A45E6E800647@Joan>

I agree - big G knows enough about all of us already '-)  

-----Original Message-----
From: Portland
[mailto:portland-bounces+jdunard=extremesolutions.com at python.org] On Behalf
Of kirby urner
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 3:47 PM
To: Python Users Group -- Portland, Oregon USA
Subject: Re: [portland] Switching to a Google Group for the mailing list?

mailman is a flagship Python project and all the Python.org community
elists use it (e.g. edu-sig, where I hang out).

I think it's in keeping with best practice to stay in mailman, which is not
to cast any aspersions on Google Groups, a fine service I use daily.

Kirby




On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Miguel <miguelgrinberg50 at gmail.com> wrote:

> > A searchable message archive would be a good thing to add
>
> Maybe some of you don't know this trick. "Big G" can search the mailman
> archives. Just enter the following search query:
>
> site:mail.python.org inurl:portland <your search query here>
>
> Miguel
>
>
> On 9/15/2013 3:08 PM, Jason Champion wrote:
>
>> Hi Robb, and welcome.
>>
>> I'm not sure it's worth hassling everyone with switching to another
>> mailing list. I think that's why we've been using mailman for centuries.
It
>> works, is written in Python, and Google won't just decide to nuke it one
>> day because they're tired of it. But you're right - it could be prettier
>> and more friendly.
>>
>> A searchable message archive would be a good thing to add to the "wish
>> list" for the group's in-process website design+build, regardless of
>> platform.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jason
>>
>> On 09/13/2013 06:32 PM, Robb Shecter wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm getting connected to the Python scene here in Portland, and I'm
>>> surprised to see the discussions still using gnu mailman. The ruby
people
>>> use a google group -
https://groups.google.com/**forum/#!forum/pdxruby<https://groups.google.com/
forum/#!forum/pdxruby>- and
>>> it makes everything easier. E.g., searching (I wouldn't need to write
>>> this
>>> post), and posting jobs (mailman definitely sets a high bar for entry).
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>>> URL: <http://mail.python.org/**pipermail/portland/**
>>>
attachments/20130913/7d85d819/**attachment.html<http://mail.python.org/piper
mail/portland/attachments/20130913/7d85d819/attachment.html>
>>> >
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> Portland mailing list
>>> Portland at python.org
>>>
https://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/portland<https://mail.python.org/
mailman/listinfo/portland>
>>>
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> Portland mailing list
>> Portland at python.org
>>
https://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/portland<https://mail.python.org/
mailman/listinfo/portland>
>>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> Portland mailing list
> Portland at python.org
>
https://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/portland<https://mail.python.org/
mailman/listinfo/portland>
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From robb at weblaws.org  Mon Sep 16 01:09:45 2013
From: robb at weblaws.org (Robb Shecter)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 16:09:45 -0700
Subject: [portland] Switching to a Google Group for the mailing list?
In-Reply-To: <CAPJgG3TSpkC--8xvtJkjRwBU+yjJtNdoWNJb5qeW6jva8ap=XA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABQwFw8SkO2vvOidP+vw1YVJo3J0GB3s3Qc=ifNUJaT95RnONA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52362FD8.6060602@zetacentauri.com> <523632EA.4030405@gmail.com>
 <CAPJgG3TSpkC--8xvtJkjRwBU+yjJtNdoWNJb5qeW6jva8ap=XA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABQwFw-478mN=WAmf8Mi_p8yFsWo9qw-2WWz0VZaLqCuHjdt8A@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds religious; I'll back off.

On Sunday, September 15, 2013, kirby urner wrote:

> mailman is a flagship Python project and all the Python.org community
> elists use it (e.g. edu-sig, where I hang out).
>
> I think it's in keeping with best practice to stay in mailman, which is not
> to cast any aspersions on Google Groups, a fine service I use daily.
>
> Kirby
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Miguel <miguelgrinberg50 at gmail.com<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > > A searchable message archive would be a good thing to add
> >
> > Maybe some of you don't know this trick. "Big G" can search the mailman
> > archives. Just enter the following search query:
> >
> > site:mail.python.org inurl:portland <your search query here>
> >
> > Miguel
> >
> >
> > On 9/15/2013 3:08 PM, Jason Champion wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Robb, and welcome.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure it's worth hassling everyone with switching to another
> >> mailing list. I think that's why we've been using mailman for
> centuries. It
> >> works, is written in Python, and Google won't just decide to nuke it one
> >> day because they're tired of it. But you're right - it could be prettier
> >> and more friendly.
> >>
> >> A searchable message archive would be a good thing to add to the "wish
> >> list" for the group's in-process website design+build, regardless of
> >> platform.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Jason
> >>
> >> On 09/13/2013 06:32 PM, Robb Shecter wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey Everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I'm getting connected to the Python scene here in Portland, and I'm
> >>> surprised to see the discussions still using gnu mailman. The ruby
> people
> >>> use a google group - https://groups.google.com/**forum/#!forum/pdxruby
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/pdxruby>- and
> >>> it makes everything easier. E.g., searching (I wouldn't need to write
> >>> this
> >>> post), and posting jobs (mailman definitely sets a high bar for entry).
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> >>> URL: <http://mail.python.org/**pipermail/portland/**
> >>> attachments/20130913/7d85d819/**attachment.html<
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/portland/attachments/20130913/7d85d819/attachment.html
> >
> >>> >
> >>> ______________________________**_________________
> >>> Portland mailing list
> >>> Portland at python.org <javascript:;>
> >>> https://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/portland<
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland>
> >>>
> >>
> >> ______________________________**_________________
> >> Portland mailing list
> >> Portland at python.org <javascript:;>
> >> https://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/portland<
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland>
> >>
> >
> > ______________________________**_________________
> > Portland mailing list
> > Portland at python.org <javascript:;>
> > https://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/portland<
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland>
> >
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From dsmellow at uoregon.edu  Mon Sep 16 08:49:10 2013
From: dsmellow at uoregon.edu (Dan Smellow)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 23:49:10 -0700
Subject: [portland] Python programmer needed
Message-ID: <F567C66D-AA84-41F7-8649-2594AE187AA9@uoregon.edu>

Hi Python friends - Early Childhood CARES at the University of Oregon has a Python-intensive Application Programmer 2 position open. Please see job posting at:

	http://jobs.uoregon.edu/classified.php?id=4691

Dan Smellow <dsmellow at uoregon.edu>
ecWeb Project Director
541.346.0819

From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Mon Sep 16 18:39:13 2013
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:39:13 -0700
Subject: [portland] Switching to a Google Group for the mailing list?
In-Reply-To: <CABQwFw-478mN=WAmf8Mi_p8yFsWo9qw-2WWz0VZaLqCuHjdt8A@mail.gmail.com>
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An honest suggestion.  I have an "it was religious before I got here"
attitude.

Just there's nothing wrong or pathological about sticking with mailman,
especially for Python groups.

I met a guy who's whole mission was to convince banks that letting Gmail
provide an inhouse email solution was secure enough.

Multnomah County uses it and so does my employer.

Yes, I know Gmail and Google Groups are different services, I'm just
nodding at your suggestion to say "yes Google is highly trusted by lots of
groups, not an off-the-wall idea."

Kirby



On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Robb Shecter <robb at weblaws.org> wrote:

> Sounds religious; I'll back off.
>
> On Sunday, September 15, 2013, kirby urner wrote:
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From gelasticjew at gmail.com  Mon Sep 16 22:45:04 2013
From: gelasticjew at gmail.com (Gelastic Jew)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:45:04 -0700
Subject: [portland] Switching to a Google Group for the mailing list?
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But Google Groups pretty well messed up what utility it grabbed from Deja
News, and made a useless alternative to Usenet.  Google always seems to
cancel the products I actually use and keep the ones that aren't different
enough from other available products.


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:39 AM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:

> An honest suggestion.  I have an "it was religious before I got here"
> attitude.
>
> Just there's nothing wrong or pathological about sticking with mailman,
> especially for Python groups.
>
> I met a guy who's whole mission was to convince banks that letting Gmail
> provide an inhouse email solution was secure enough.
>
> Multnomah County uses it and so does my employer.
>
> Yes, I know Gmail and Google Groups are different services, I'm just
> nodding at your suggestion to say "yes Google is highly trusted by lots of
> groups, not an off-the-wall idea."
>
> Kirby
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Robb Shecter <robb at weblaws.org> wrote:
>
> > Sounds religious; I'll back off.
> >
> > On Sunday, September 15, 2013, kirby urner wrote:
> >
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Tue Sep 17 09:14:54 2013
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:14:54 -0700
Subject: [portland] Switching to a Google Group for the mailing list?
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On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Gelastic Jew <gelasticjew at gmail.com> wrote:

> But Google Groups pretty well messed up what utility it grabbed from Deja
> News, and made a useless alternative to Usenet.  Google always seems to
> cancel the products I actually use and keep the ones that aren't different
> enough from other available products.
>
>
>
I just don't know the story myself.  Did Google "grab" from Deja News or
were we about to lose access to Usenet forever and Google rescued a
sinking ship?  I just don't have those details, sorry, but maybe you do, in
which case may I suggest cashing in and writing a tell all book?  Lots of
fascinating lore I'm sure.  I liked 'Fire in the Valley' and that other one
about Digital Equipment or whatever.

http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Valley-Personal-Computer-Edition/dp/0071358927
http://www.amazon.com/Close-Machine-Technophilia-Its-Discontents/dp/1250002486/

Kirby
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From ethan at stoneleaf.us  Wed Sep 18 06:52:25 2013
From: ethan at stoneleaf.us (Ethan Furman)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:52:25 -0700
Subject: [portland] cubicle space
Message-ID: <52393189.8060500@stoneleaf.us>

Greetings!

I'm a telecommuter but I'll be driving in to Portland on Tuesdays and/or Thursdays to take my daughter to PSU (medical 
issues keep her from driving).

Is anybody aware of spare office or cubicle space in that part of Portland?

--
~Ethan~

From jchampion at zetacentauri.com  Wed Sep 18 07:50:01 2013
From: jchampion at zetacentauri.com (Jason Champion)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:50:01 -0700
Subject: [portland] cubicle space
In-Reply-To: <52393189.8060500@stoneleaf.us>
References: <52393189.8060500@stoneleaf.us>
Message-ID: <52393F09.5030200@zetacentauri.com>

NedSpace is the obvious choice, especially since it's nearish PSU:

http://nedspace.com/

But for only 2 days per week, the $275 per month hot desk rate might be 
a bit pricey. If you prepay the whole year it's only $175/month.


On 09/17/2013 09:52 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> I'm a telecommuter but I'll be driving in to Portland on Tuesdays 
> and/or Thursdays to take my daughter to PSU (medical issues keep her 
> from driving).
>
> Is anybody aware of spare office or cubicle space in that part of 
> Portland?
>
> -- 
> ~Ethan~
> _______________________________________________
> Portland mailing list
> Portland at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland


From andrew.lorente at gmail.com  Wed Sep 18 12:42:58 2013
From: andrew.lorente at gmail.com (Andrew Lorente)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 03:42:58 -0700
Subject: [portland] cubicle space
In-Reply-To: <52393F09.5030200@zetacentauri.com>
References: <52393189.8060500@stoneleaf.us> <52393F09.5030200@zetacentauri.com>
Message-ID: <CANAYait1w4Q1L+224YbL5p4AwH3SLcevSUDUmOSyOhSgRq0r8g@mail.gmail.com>

Collective Agency <http://collectiveagency.co/> might be the ticket. It is
farther from PSU, but I believe you can come in and work without signing up
for a membership. Except I heard a rumor that they did away with that
option, and their website is vague on the point. The contacts listed on
that site are probably a more definitive source than some rumors I heard :~)




On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Jason Champion <jchampion at zetacentauri.com
> wrote:

> NedSpace is the obvious choice, especially since it's nearish PSU:
>
> http://nedspace.com/
>
> But for only 2 days per week, the $275 per month hot desk rate might be a
> bit pricey. If you prepay the whole year it's only $175/month.
>
>
>
> On 09/17/2013 09:52 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
>
>> Greetings!
>>
>> I'm a telecommuter but I'll be driving in to Portland on Tuesdays and/or
>> Thursdays to take my daughter to PSU (medical issues keep her from driving).
>>
>> Is anybody aware of spare office or cubicle space in that part of
>> Portland?
>>
>> --
>> ~Ethan~
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> Portland mailing list
>> Portland at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/portland<https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland>
>>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
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From michelle at pdxpython.org  Sun Sep 22 20:26:19 2013
From: michelle at pdxpython.org (Michelle Rowley)
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 11:26:19 -0700
Subject: [portland] Sept. 24 Hack Night **TIME AND LOCATION CHANGE** Tuesday
	9/24, 7pm at CrowdCompass
Message-ID: <CAE7UraPhgnaXJbfUwco1eZwcMZak5cyzf6QvsdtRv3wvJtW2Bw@mail.gmail.com>

-- tl;dr --
*What*: September 24th PDX Python Hack Night
*Where*: CrowdCompass <http://calagator.org/venues/202393199>
*When*: 7pm - 10pm
*Why*: Event space conflict, hack night combo party == fun
----
Hey all!

Urban Airship had a conflict with their event space on the day of our hack
night this month, so we're joining up with the PDX.rb crew over at
CrowdCompass on SE 11th at Division.

Please note*, their event starts at 7pm instead of our usual 6:30*, so grab
a bite to eat and saunter over at 7pm. There are some great places to hang
out for an hour at 11th and Division so hopefully it'll work out well.

Finally, let us know afterward what you thought about merging the events!

See you Tuesday,
Michelle
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From kcomandich at gmail.com  Mon Sep 23 06:51:58 2013
From: kcomandich at gmail.com (Kirsten Comandich)
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:51:58 -0700
Subject: [portland] Sept. 24 Hack Night **TIME AND LOCATION CHANGE**
 Tuesday 9/24, 7pm at CrowdCompass
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Cool!

I've updated the calagator entry: http://calagator.org/events/1250464185


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Michelle Rowley <michelle at pdxpython.org>wrote:

> -- tl;dr --
> *What*: September 24th PDX Python Hack Night
> *Where*: CrowdCompass <http://calagator.org/venues/202393199>
> *When*: 7pm - 10pm
> *Why*: Event space conflict, hack night combo party == fun
> ----
> Hey all!
>
> Urban Airship had a conflict with their event space on the day of our hack
> night this month, so we're joining up with the PDX.rb crew over at
> CrowdCompass on SE 11th at Division.
>
> Please note*, their event starts at 7pm instead of our usual 6:30*, so grab
> a bite to eat and saunter over at 7pm. There are some great places to hang
> out for an hour at 11th and Division so hopefully it'll work out well.
>
> Finally, let us know afterward what you thought about merging the events!
>
> See you Tuesday,
> Michelle
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From michelle at pdxpython.org  Mon Sep 23 07:31:09 2013
From: michelle at pdxpython.org (Michelle Rowley)
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:31:09 -0700
Subject: [portland] Sept. 24 Hack Night **TIME AND LOCATION CHANGE**
 Tuesday 9/24, 7pm at CrowdCompass
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AHA! Yes! Thank you, Kirsten!!

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Kirsten Comandich <kcomandich at gmail.com>wrote:

> Cool!
>
> I've updated the calagator entry: http://calagator.org/events/1250464185
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Michelle Rowley <michelle at pdxpython.org
> >wrote:
>
> > -- tl;dr --
> > *What*: September 24th PDX Python Hack Night
> > *Where*: CrowdCompass <http://calagator.org/venues/202393199>
> > *When*: 7pm - 10pm
> > *Why*: Event space conflict, hack night combo party == fun
> > ----
> > Hey all!
> >
> > Urban Airship had a conflict with their event space on the day of our
> hack
> > night this month, so we're joining up with the PDX.rb crew over at
> > CrowdCompass on SE 11th at Division.
> >
> > Please note*, their event starts at 7pm instead of our usual 6:30*, so
> grab
> > a bite to eat and saunter over at 7pm. There are some great places to
> hang
> > out for an hour at 11th and Division so hopefully it'll work out well.
> >
> > Finally, let us know afterward what you thought about merging the events!
> >
> > See you Tuesday,
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From michelle at pdxpython.org  Wed Sep 25 02:52:26 2013
From: michelle at pdxpython.org (Michelle Rowley)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:52:26 -0700
Subject: [portland] Reminder: Hack Night is at 7pm at CrowdCompass!
Message-ID: <CAE7UraPNovzcxq-g72ixGViSsn3yHTsNts17JvX8f2NVkuBZ2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Pythonistas!

Just a quick reminder that Hack Night is at *7pm tonight at
CrowdCompass<http://calagator.org/venues/202393199>
* and not at our usual spot or usual time. The Ruby Hack +
Help<http://calagator.org/events/1250464739>crew has extended us this
invitation to join them after a scheduling snafu
left us without a venue for the evening.

See you there!
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From lyzidiamond at gmail.com  Wed Sep 25 05:44:15 2013
From: lyzidiamond at gmail.com (Lyzi Diamond)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:44:15 -0700
Subject: [portland] MaptimePDX is here!
Message-ID: <CAFrK5=ycZgzO-WR76pst99VpAAyQ3cZyHweyMWJsRa5S3o9u+Q@mail.gmail.com>

[Apologies in advance if you receive this email multiple times; just trying
to make sure everyone who may be interested is aware!]

Calling all map nerds, geo geeks, and the spatially curious: MaptimePDX[1]
is here, and we want you to come hack with us!

This Sunday, September 29th from 1pm to 4pm, join us for MaptimePDX, a
monthly/bi-weekly hack and learn event for the geographically inclined. We
will have spaces for those who are already working on map-related projects
(or have ideas in mind!) as well as a guided exercise to learn about
creating and contributing to collaborative geoJSON datasets using geojson.io[2]
and GitHub[3]. Beginners are very welcome and encouraged to attend! Please
bring a laptop if you can.

This inaugural event will be held at Flux[4] as part of WhereCampPDX[5], an
unconference that aims to connect geo-enthusiasts, developers, social place
hackers, artists, activists, grad students, geographers, earth scientists
and anybody else who wants to "know their place." MaptimePDX will be just
one of many events going on as part of the conference, and we are so
excited and fortunate to be a part of this amazing happening!

We all use maps every day. Let's learn how to make them even better...
together.

P.S. If you're at all interested in casual mentoring at the event (a.k.a.
answering questions or sharing what you do), please let me know.

Event details:

What: MaptimePDX![6]
When: Sunday, September 29th from 1pm to 4pm
Where: Flux, 412 NW Couch Street #222, Portland, OR
Who: Anyone interested in learning more about maps and geospatial
technology.
Why: Because maps are rad!

[1]: http://calagator.org/events/1250464930
[2]: http://geojson.io
[3]: http://github.com
[4]: http://fluxlab.io
[5]: http://wherecamppdx.org
[6]: http://twitter.com/maptimepdx
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