From freyley at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 01:23:19 2008
From: freyley at gmail.com (Jeff Schwaber)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:23:19 -0700
Subject: [portland] Code Sprint Saturday on Reservations
Message-ID: <8db4a1910809301623g2bcee962w5ce4dfacae0ac4eb@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks,

This year we've seen the rise of Calagator as an organizing tool for
the various tech groups out there, and now you can go to one place and
find out everything that's happening in (a set of) our communities.
Calagator is a wonderful resource for everybody, and it continues to
be developed in an open way. But for organizers and sponsors
especially, and for those who like events with organizers and
sponsors, Calagator lacks one particularly useful feature --
reservations. The ability to have some sense of who's coming is a boon
to those deciding where to put events, and how much to spend on food
and drink for them. Having some sort of reservation system for
Calagator would be a huge benefit.

At the last Calagator sprint, I presented an idea of how such a system
could work without being built into Calagator. Ideas were thrown about
and discussions had, and now we have a plan. We'll be building a
fairly simple web API in Django, and making the data available to
bookmarklet and other javascript calls from Calagator.

Will you come help us make it easier to tell the organizers that
you're coming? Maybe you'd like to help us think of how to better fit
this into the theme of Calagator and somehow aggregate reservations as
well as events? We'd really like to hear your input, and see your
code.

No experience necessary. Those who are looking for an opportunity to
learn a bit more about Django are highly encouraged to come.

Saturday, October 4th, from 10am-6pm. Cubespace. If you can just drop
by for a bit, please do!

http://calagator.org/events/1250455720

Jeff

From freyley at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 21:52:30 2008
From: freyley at gmail.com (Jeff Schwaber)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:52:30 -0700
Subject: [portland] Reminder: Code sprint tomorrow
Message-ID: <8db4a1910810031252s382dcc61re354658d435fdf2e@mail.gmail.com>

Tomorrow
(Saturday, the 4th of October),
at Cubespace,
starting at 10am.

See you there?

From mde at micahelliott.com  Fri Oct  3 22:08:45 2008
From: mde at micahelliott.com (Micah Elliott)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:08:45 -0700
Subject: [portland] Reminder: Code sprint tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <8db4a1910810031252s382dcc61re354658d435fdf2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8db4a1910810031252s382dcc61re354658d435fdf2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1edb3c420810031308mbce28d9j1ce5b9f11b9c2ffc@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/3/08, Jeff Schwaber <freyley at gmail.com> wrote:
> Tomorrow
>  (Saturday, the 4th of October),
>  at Cubespace,
>  starting at 10am.
>
>  See you there?

I guess if there was a reservation system I wouldn't have to be
blasting three lists to say I'll be attending. ;-)

I'll have a couple friends along, too.  We (noob Django devs)
will be there mostly to watch/learn, but hope to be able to
contribute a bit too.  We'll probably hang out 10a-4p.  Looking
forward to it!  We'll bring laptops, of course, but should we
bring some food/beverages or anything else?

-- 
Micah Elliott | mde at MicahElliott.com | http://MicahElliott.blogspot.com

From igal at pragmaticraft.com  Fri Oct  3 23:18:51 2008
From: igal at pragmaticraft.com (Igal Koshevoy)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:18:51 -0700
Subject: [portland] Reminder: Code sprint tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <1edb3c420810031308mbce28d9j1ce5b9f11b9c2ffc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8db4a1910810031252s382dcc61re354658d435fdf2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1edb3c420810031308mbce28d9j1ce5b9f11b9c2ffc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E68C3B.7030103@pragmaticraft.com>

Micah Elliott wrote:
> I'll have a couple friends along, too.  We (noob Django devs)
> will be there mostly to watch/learn, but hope to be able to
> contribute a bit too.  We'll probably hang out 10a-4p.  Looking
> forward to it!  We'll bring laptops, of course
Great!

> should we bring some food/beverages
>   
You're welcome to, however, CubeSpace is generously providing free
drinks and snacks in addition to the space. For dining, there are a
number of nearby eateries, takeout places, and places that'll deliver.

-igal

From igal at pragmaticraft.com  Sun Oct  5 19:15:34 2008
From: igal at pragmaticraft.com (Igal Koshevoy)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:15:34 -0700
Subject: [portland] Reservation system code sprint update: October 4
In-Reply-To: <1edb3c420810031308mbce28d9j1ce5b9f11b9c2ffc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8db4a1910810031252s382dcc61re354658d435fdf2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1edb3c420810031308mbce28d9j1ce5b9f11b9c2ffc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E8F636.3020303@pragmaticraft.com>

Sorry for cross-posting, but many of yesterday's developers weren't part
of the mailing list that I normally post technical updates to. Please
post comments on this message only to the mailing list at
http://groups.google.com/group/pdx-tech-calendar/ to avoid the
discussion from getting scattered across a bunch of lists and to help
more Calagator developers see your comments. Thanks!


SUMMARY

At the sprint, we wrote up a feature list for the app. We ended up
working on two different implementations of the application. A demo of
one of the implementations is online at
http://calagator-with-reservations.demo.pragmaticraft.com:81/


DETAILS

The sprint was very productive. Many thanks to Jeff for organizing it
and to the attendees for participating.

We produced a feature list for the new project, available at:
http://code.google.com/p/csvp/wiki/Features

There were many common areas of agreement, but it soon became clear that
there were mutually incompatible goals, priorities, and implementation
approaches, so we decided to split up into two teams that worked
separately on their own implementations:

1. One team wanted to build a new application using Python and Django
that -- as I understood it -- was intended to be a general-purpose
reservation aggregation system that other systems could also access
through a web service API. Jeff lead this effort and will post an update
about what this group accomplished and what it's future plans are.

2. Another team wanted to add basic reservation features to the existing
Calagator application. We completed a working demo, available online at
http://calagator-with-reservations.demo.pragmaticraft.com:81/

DO NOT PUT ANY DATA YOU WANT TO KEEP IN THE APP ABOVE, IT'S JUST A DEMO!


This demo app provides the following new features compared to the
current Calagator.org:
* Users can login via OpenID -- the login link is on the right-side of
the menu
* Users are automagically routed through the login form if they're not
logged in and try to perform an action that requires an account, such as
making a claim that they're going to an event
* Users can go to their account page and see their reservation statuses
per event
* Users can go to an event page and view their reservation status for
the event
* Users can go to an event page and set their reservation status using
an unobtrusive AJAX control
* Users can go to an event page and see a total count of reservations by
status
* Users can go to an event page and expand a section to see a detailed
list of reservations by status

Assuming the text and UI are improved, are the minimalistic features
seen in this demo adequate for your basic reservation needs? If not,
what do you feel is critical for this to be useful to you?


I didn't commit these changes to the main Calagator code repository, but
instead published a fork at
http://github.com/igal/calagator_with_reservations/tree/with_reservations

This code isn't in the main repo because it diverges from what was
agreed to by the Calagator team the last time we talked. There was no
plan to add a reservation system in the roadmap to Calagator 1.0, so
incorporating this will delay the release of 1.0 because time will have
to be spent finishing this new functionality and bringing the UI and
code to Calagator's high quality standards. Also, adding logins was
something that the Calagator team tried very hard to avoid ever since
the project's inception, however, I think this fork honors the original
spirit by not taking away anything from anonymous users, providing them
with at least read-only access to reservation information, and providing
complete access to logged-in users.


There were at least three different approaches discussed for what ought
to be done next:

1. This fork should be improved and merged back into the existing
Calagator code, while the new Django app goes its separate way as a
general-purpose reservation system

2. This fork should be abandoned and an effort made to implement these
features with the new Django app and alter the Rails application to
couple it to the Django application

3. This fork should be abandoned and no integration added between the
Rails application to the Django application, and let the reservation
system live an entirely separate existence

Which of these directions appeals to you? Or can you suggest a better path?

-igal

From freyley at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 02:11:18 2008
From: freyley at gmail.com (Jeff Schwaber)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:11:18 -0700
Subject: [portland] Fwd: Reservations codesprint results
Message-ID: <8db4a1910810071711p47a7b89fl99059dedf043bde0@mail.gmail.com>

Python folks,

Selena wrote up her comments about the recent reservations sprint.

Jeff

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Selena Deckelmann
<selenamarie at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I'm sure Jeff's busy this week, and I wanted to do a brain-dump.
>
> Also, we talked about scheduling another code sprint.  I have a conference this weekend, but would be up for hacking on this Next Week - Wednesday, Oct 15 6-10pm. Lucky Lab is a possibility...  Who's in?
>
> The code we worked on is at: http://code.google.com/p/csvp/  (Considering renaming this to "Swarm")
>
> There's a wiki document on how to get your environment set up to work with CSVP: http://code.google.com/p/csvp/wiki/HowtoHackOnCSVP
>
> Thanks Jeff and others who created a basic framework for us to play in. Here's our completed features list (a lot of this was done before we got there):
>
> Events should list the people who are attending
> Users should have the ability to say "I want to go"
> Attendance links an event to OpenID URL
> Events should count yes / no / maybe
> Show list of events a person is attending
> Yes/No/Maybe selection updates the page
> Users should be able to login
> User provides an event ID associated with Calagator to link to
> System will display Avatars for OpenID Users (via favicon.ico derived from a URL)
> Event "page" should display openid sign in text box instead of the hyper link to a page with the the oid login box
> System will display Events for a particular user that is not yourself.
> System will display nicknames for OpenID Users



--
Selena Deckelmann
PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx
Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily

From jd at commandprompt.com  Thu Oct  9 23:28:25 2008
From: jd at commandprompt.com (Joshua Drake)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:28:25 -0700
Subject: [portland] So is someone doing a python roundup at West or not?
Message-ID: <20081009142825.4ca16f8a@jd-laptop>

Hello,

I never got any confirmation on this, I can still add to the schedule
if someone wants to speak about 2.6 and 3.0.

Joshua D. Drake


-- 
The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ 
PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/
United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/



From jek at discorporate.us  Sat Oct 11 00:35:53 2008
From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:35:53 -0700
Subject: [portland] This weekend: PostgreSQL Conference West 2008
Message-ID: <48EFD8C9.4070805@discorporate.us>

Hi folks,

The PostgreSQL Conference West 2008 is now underway right here in 
Portland at PSU.  PostgreSQL is an extremely powerful open source SQL 
database that is very well supported in Python- and Python is supported 
in the database!  This is a wonderful and inexpensive community 
conference that I'd recommend to anyone working with PostgreSQL or 
databases in general.  There are 3 session tracks this year, too!

The conference starts today and runs through Sunday.

I'll be presenting SQLAlchemy on Sunday with Jonathan Ellis; SQLAlchemy 
contributor, organizer of the Utah Python Users Group, and author of 
much fantastic Python software.  Later in the afternoon we'll be joining 
Matt Trout of Perl DBIx::Class fame for a round-table session about ORMs.

If you can't make the conference but would like to socialize with 
databasey Pythonistas, PostgreSQL luminaries and users, the official 
conference attendee party is Saturday evening and the conference folks 
were kind enough to extend an invitation to local Pythonistas for a 
nominal cover charge to help defray the cost of the catering. 
(Community conference, remember!)

http://www.postgresqlconference.org/

Hope to see you there!

Cheers,
Jason

From jek at discorporate.us  Sun Oct 12 23:42:28 2008
From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:42:28 -0700
Subject: [portland] TUESDAY: What's New in 2.6 and 3.0  10/14 7pm
Message-ID: <48F26F44.1030901@discorporate.us>

Hi folks,

Python 2.6 has been released and 3.0 will be shortly.  We'll be 
celebrating their releases this Tuesday with a D.I.Y. What's New party!

The format is simple: pick a change or two from the What's New in Python 
documentation from 2.6 or 3.0 and tell us about it!  You can use the 
projector if you want, but < 5 minutes.  That's easy because most 
changes are small.

Here's an example from 3.0:

   "Removed <> (use != instead)."

So easy!  Find some and bring 'em to us.  If you get inspired and want 
to share one of the few larger changes (< 10 min), check the wiki and 
put your name down.

I'll be bringing *two growlers* of rare and wonderful beer from Bailey's 
Taproom to get the party started.  Bring hardcopy of one or both What's 
New if you can.  And party hats.

   http://docs.python.org/whatsnew/2.6.html
   http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html

   wiki: http://pdxpython.org/
   maps, rsvp, etc.: http://python.meetup.com/183/

Tuesday 10/14 7pm at CubeSpace.  See you there!

Cheers,
Jason

From jd at commandprompt.com  Mon Oct 13 20:09:02 2008
From: jd at commandprompt.com (Joshua Drake)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:09:02 -0700
Subject: [portland] Thanks to Jek and Jbellis
Message-ID: <20081013110902.263f74ce@jd-laptop>

Hello,

You guys gave a great talk on SQL Alchemy and PostgreSQL. Hope we can
do more Python things in the future!

Joshua D. Drake

-- 
The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ 
PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/
United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/



From jek at discorporate.us  Tue Oct 14 19:58:07 2008
From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:58:07 -0700
Subject: [portland] TODAY! What's New in 2.6 and 3.0  10/14 7pm
In-Reply-To: <48F26F44.1030901@discorporate.us>
References: <48F26F44.1030901@discorporate.us>
Message-ID: <48F4DDAF.1090808@discorporate.us>

Today's the day: we're meeting tonight at 7pm at CubeSpace.

Also, I'll have my laptop open with 2.6 and 3.0 interactive interpreters 
up and running.  Anyone's welcome to plug it in to the projector to show 
something.

I also ran off a copy of the What's New 2.6 docs but if anyone else can 
it'd be great to have more copies circulating.  My printer's nearly out 
of toner and this copy is hard to read.  Tip: the whatsnew.pdf from the 
PDF docs download prints best.

See you tonight!

-j


jason kirtland wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Python 2.6 has been released and 3.0 will be shortly.  We'll be 
> celebrating their releases this Tuesday with a D.I.Y. What's New party!
> 
> The format is simple: pick a change or two from the What's New in Python 
> documentation from 2.6 or 3.0 and tell us about it!  You can use the 
> projector if you want, but < 5 minutes.  That's easy because most 
> changes are small.
> 
> Here's an example from 3.0:
> 
>   "Removed <> (use != instead)."
> 
> So easy!  Find some and bring 'em to us.  If you get inspired and want 
> to share one of the few larger changes (< 10 min), check the wiki and 
> put your name down.
> 
> I'll be bringing *two growlers* of rare and wonderful beer from Bailey's 
> Taproom to get the party started.  Bring hardcopy of one or both What's 
> New if you can.  And party hats.
> 
>   http://docs.python.org/whatsnew/2.6.html
>   http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html
> 
>   wiki: http://pdxpython.org/
>   maps, rsvp, etc.: http://python.meetup.com/183/
> 
> Tuesday 10/14 7pm at CubeSpace.  See you there!
> 
> Cheers,
> Jason
> _______________________________________________
> Portland mailing list
> Portland at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
> 


From jek at discorporate.us  Tue Oct 14 19:59:33 2008
From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:59:33 -0700
Subject: [portland] Thanks to Jek and Jbellis
In-Reply-To: <20081013110902.263f74ce@jd-laptop>
References: <20081013110902.263f74ce@jd-laptop>
Message-ID: <48F4DE05.6030707@discorporate.us>

Joshua Drake wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> You guys gave a great talk on SQL Alchemy and PostgreSQL. Hope we can
> do more Python things in the future!

Thanks for inviting us Joshua!  And thanks to Jonathan Ellis for coming 
out to Oregon!

Cheers,
Jason

From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 20:40:18 2008
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:40:18 -0700
Subject: [portland] TODAY! What's New in 2.6 and 3.0 10/14 7pm
In-Reply-To: <48F4DDAF.1090808@discorporate.us>
References: <48F26F44.1030901@discorporate.us>
	<48F4DDAF.1090808@discorporate.us>
Message-ID: <f604188c0810141140p5c38f1absfacf9246e6edbe71@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jason --

I have a an 8-10 minute lightning talk planned, sponsored by Fine
Grind Productions, re PY3K, includes:

(a) an ad from our sponsor
(b) a short rant / intro to Kirby
(c) a short story
(d) a dance proposal ("The Writhe")
(e) a demo.

The demo is about
(i) unicode and
(ii) next and print and their backward incompatibility with
prehistoric Pythons (yay).

Hope there's time (8-10 minutes including some setup).

Bringing slides on Ubuntu Dell laptop.

Kirby Urner
4dsolutions.net

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM, jason kirtland <jek at discorporate.us> wrote:
> Today's the day: we're meeting tonight at 7pm at CubeSpace.
>
> Also, I'll have my laptop open with 2.6 and 3.0 interactive interpreters up
> and running.  Anyone's welcome to plug it in to the projector to show
> something.
>
> I also ran off a copy of the What's New 2.6 docs but if anyone else can it'd
> be great to have more copies circulating.  My printer's nearly out of toner
> and this copy is hard to read.  Tip: the whatsnew.pdf from the PDF docs
> download prints best.
>
> See you tonight!
>
> -j
>
>
> jason kirtland wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Python 2.6 has been released and 3.0 will be shortly.  We'll be
>> celebrating their releases this Tuesday with a D.I.Y. What's New party!
>>
>> The format is simple: pick a change or two from the What's New in Python
>> documentation from 2.6 or 3.0 and tell us about it!  You can use the
>> projector if you want, but < 5 minutes.  That's easy because most changes
>> are small.
>>
>> Here's an example from 3.0:
>>
>>  "Removed <> (use != instead)."
>>
>> So easy!  Find some and bring 'em to us.  If you get inspired and want to
>> share one of the few larger changes (< 10 min), check the wiki and put your
>> name down.
>>
>> I'll be bringing *two growlers* of rare and wonderful beer from Bailey's
>> Taproom to get the party started.  Bring hardcopy of one or both What's New
>> if you can.  And party hats.
>>
>>  http://docs.python.org/whatsnew/2.6.html
>>  http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html
>>
>>  wiki: http://pdxpython.org/
>>  maps, rsvp, etc.: http://python.meetup.com/183/
>>
>> Tuesday 10/14 7pm at CubeSpace.  See you there!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jason
>> _______________________________________________
>> Portland mailing list
>> Portland at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Portland mailing list
> Portland at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>

From jek at discorporate.us  Tue Oct 14 20:45:11 2008
From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:45:11 -0700
Subject: [portland] TODAY! What's New in 2.6 and 3.0 10/14 7pm
In-Reply-To: <f604188c0810141140p5c38f1absfacf9246e6edbe71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48F26F44.1030901@discorporate.us>	<48F4DDAF.1090808@discorporate.us>
	<f604188c0810141140p5c38f1absfacf9246e6edbe71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F4E8B7.5070405@discorporate.us>

Perfect, sounds great!!

kirby urner wrote:
> Hi Jason --
> 
> I have a an 8-10 minute lightning talk planned, sponsored by Fine
> Grind Productions, re PY3K, includes:
> 
> (a) an ad from our sponsor
> (b) a short rant / intro to Kirby
> (c) a short story
> (d) a dance proposal ("The Writhe")
> (e) a demo.
> 
> The demo is about
> (i) unicode and
> (ii) next and print and their backward incompatibility with
> prehistoric Pythons (yay).
> 
> Hope there's time (8-10 minutes including some setup).
> 
> Bringing slides on Ubuntu Dell laptop.
> 
> Kirby Urner
> 4dsolutions.net
> 
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM, jason kirtland <jek at discorporate.us> wrote:
>> Today's the day: we're meeting tonight at 7pm at CubeSpace.
>>
>> Also, I'll have my laptop open with 2.6 and 3.0 interactive interpreters up
>> and running.  Anyone's welcome to plug it in to the projector to show
>> something.
>>
>> I also ran off a copy of the What's New 2.6 docs but if anyone else can it'd
>> be great to have more copies circulating.  My printer's nearly out of toner
>> and this copy is hard to read.  Tip: the whatsnew.pdf from the PDF docs
>> download prints best.
>>
>> See you tonight!
>>
>> -j
>>
>>
>> jason kirtland wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Python 2.6 has been released and 3.0 will be shortly.  We'll be
>>> celebrating their releases this Tuesday with a D.I.Y. What's New party!
>>>
>>> The format is simple: pick a change or two from the What's New in Python
>>> documentation from 2.6 or 3.0 and tell us about it!  You can use the
>>> projector if you want, but < 5 minutes.  That's easy because most changes
>>> are small.
>>>
>>> Here's an example from 3.0:
>>>
>>>  "Removed <> (use != instead)."
>>>
>>> So easy!  Find some and bring 'em to us.  If you get inspired and want to
>>> share one of the few larger changes (< 10 min), check the wiki and put your
>>> name down.
>>>
>>> I'll be bringing *two growlers* of rare and wonderful beer from Bailey's
>>> Taproom to get the party started.  Bring hardcopy of one or both What's New
>>> if you can.  And party hats.
>>>
>>>  http://docs.python.org/whatsnew/2.6.html
>>>  http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html
>>>
>>>  wiki: http://pdxpython.org/
>>>  maps, rsvp, etc.: http://python.meetup.com/183/
>>>
>>> Tuesday 10/14 7pm at CubeSpace.  See you there!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jason
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Portland mailing list
>>> Portland at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Portland mailing list
>> Portland at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Portland mailing list
> Portland at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
> 


From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 18:39:46 2008
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:39:46 -0700
Subject: [portland] TODAY! What's New in 2.6 and 3.0 10/14 7pm
In-Reply-To: <48F4E8B7.5070405@discorporate.us>
References: <48F26F44.1030901@discorporate.us>
	<48F4DDAF.1090808@discorporate.us>
	<f604188c0810141140p5c38f1absfacf9246e6edbe71@mail.gmail.com>
	<48F4E8B7.5070405@discorporate.us>
Message-ID: <f604188c0810150939o1f812855yed2e4c387cfffec@mail.gmail.com>

I blogged about the event live, polishing a bit later:

http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2008/10/ppug-20081014.html

Of course it's highly biased, would be interested in seeing other
accounts from different angles.

I cut out early as I wasn't sure how my sponsor was taking it, her
first exposure to CubeSpace culture.  As it happens, she took it quite
well so maybe we'll see her at future beer parties.

That was a *lot* of information last night, and being one of the
presenters, I was too pumped about my <rant></rant> and so on to get
it all down -- but at least I know where to look.

Thanks to all for another great PPUG event!

Kirby


On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:45 AM, jason kirtland <jek at discorporate.us> wrote:
> Perfect, sounds great!!
>
> kirby urner wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jason --
>>
>> I have a an 8-10 minute lightning talk planned, sponsored by Fine
>> Grind Productions, re PY3K, includes:
>>
>> (a) an ad from our sponsor
>> (b) a short rant / intro to Kirby
>> (c) a short story
>> (d) a dance proposal ("The Writhe")
>> (e) a demo.
>>
>> The demo is about
>> (i) unicode and
>> (ii) next and print and their backward incompatibility with
>> prehistoric Pythons (yay).
>>
>> Hope there's time (8-10 minutes including some setup).
>>
>> Bringing slides on Ubuntu Dell laptop.
>>
>> Kirby Urner
>> 4dsolutions.net
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM, jason kirtland <jek at discorporate.us>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Today's the day: we're meeting tonight at 7pm at CubeSpace.
>>>
>>> Also, I'll have my laptop open with 2.6 and 3.0 interactive interpreters
>>> up
>>> and running.  Anyone's welcome to plug it in to the projector to show
>>> something.
>>>
>>> I also ran off a copy of the What's New 2.6 docs but if anyone else can
>>> it'd
>>> be great to have more copies circulating.  My printer's nearly out of
>>> toner
>>> and this copy is hard to read.  Tip: the whatsnew.pdf from the PDF docs
>>> download prints best.
>>>
>>> See you tonight!
>>>
>>> -j
>>>
>>>
>>> jason kirtland wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> Python 2.6 has been released and 3.0 will be shortly.  We'll be
>>>> celebrating their releases this Tuesday with a D.I.Y. What's New party!
>>>>
>>>> The format is simple: pick a change or two from the What's New in Python
>>>> documentation from 2.6 or 3.0 and tell us about it!  You can use the
>>>> projector if you want, but < 5 minutes.  That's easy because most
>>>> changes
>>>> are small.
>>>>
>>>> Here's an example from 3.0:
>>>>
>>>>  "Removed <> (use != instead)."
>>>>
>>>> So easy!  Find some and bring 'em to us.  If you get inspired and want
>>>> to
>>>> share one of the few larger changes (< 10 min), check the wiki and put
>>>> your
>>>> name down.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be bringing *two growlers* of rare and wonderful beer from Bailey's
>>>> Taproom to get the party started.  Bring hardcopy of one or both What's
>>>> New
>>>> if you can.  And party hats.
>>>>
>>>>  http://docs.python.org/whatsnew/2.6.html
>>>>  http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html
>>>>
>>>>  wiki: http://pdxpython.org/
>>>>  maps, rsvp, etc.: http://python.meetup.com/183/
>>>>
>>>> Tuesday 10/14 7pm at CubeSpace.  See you there!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jason
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Portland mailing list
>>>> Portland at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Portland mailing list
>>> Portland at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Portland mailing list
>> Portland at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Portland mailing list
> Portland at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>

From jek at discorporate.us  Wed Oct 15 20:20:48 2008
From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:20:48 -0700
Subject: [portland] TODAY! What's New in 2.6 and 3.0 10/14 7pm
In-Reply-To: <f604188c0810150939o1f812855yed2e4c387cfffec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48F26F44.1030901@discorporate.us>	<48F4DDAF.1090808@discorporate.us>	<f604188c0810141140p5c38f1absfacf9246e6edbe71@mail.gmail.com>	<48F4E8B7.5070405@discorporate.us>
	<f604188c0810150939o1f812855yed2e4c387cfffec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F63480.1030106@discorporate.us>

Last night was great- thanks everyone for coming out and making it a 
success!  Special thanks to Adam, Brett, Igal, Kirby, Matt, Michel & 
Reid for presenting!

kirby urner wrote:
> I blogged about the event live, polishing a bit later:
> 
> http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2008/10/ppug-20081014.html
> 
> Of course it's highly biased, would be interested in seeing other
> accounts from different angles.
> 
> I cut out early as I wasn't sure how my sponsor was taking it, her
> first exposure to CubeSpace culture.  As it happens, she took it quite
> well so maybe we'll see her at future beer parties.
> 
> That was a *lot* of information last night, and being one of the
> presenters, I was too pumped about my <rant></rant> and so on to get
> it all down -- but at least I know where to look.
> 
> Thanks to all for another great PPUG event!
> 
> Kirby
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:45 AM, jason kirtland <jek at discorporate.us> wrote:
>> Perfect, sounds great!!
>>
>> kirby urner wrote:
>>> Hi Jason --
>>>
>>> I have a an 8-10 minute lightning talk planned, sponsored by Fine
>>> Grind Productions, re PY3K, includes:
>>>
>>> (a) an ad from our sponsor
>>> (b) a short rant / intro to Kirby
>>> (c) a short story
>>> (d) a dance proposal ("The Writhe")
>>> (e) a demo.
>>>
>>> The demo is about
>>> (i) unicode and
>>> (ii) next and print and their backward incompatibility with
>>> prehistoric Pythons (yay).
>>>
>>> Hope there's time (8-10 minutes including some setup).
>>>
>>> Bringing slides on Ubuntu Dell laptop.
>>>
>>> Kirby Urner
>>> 4dsolutions.net
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM, jason kirtland <jek at discorporate.us>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Today's the day: we're meeting tonight at 7pm at CubeSpace.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I'll have my laptop open with 2.6 and 3.0 interactive interpreters
>>>> up
>>>> and running.  Anyone's welcome to plug it in to the projector to show
>>>> something.
>>>>
>>>> I also ran off a copy of the What's New 2.6 docs but if anyone else can
>>>> it'd
>>>> be great to have more copies circulating.  My printer's nearly out of
>>>> toner
>>>> and this copy is hard to read.  Tip: the whatsnew.pdf from the PDF docs
>>>> download prints best.
>>>>
>>>> See you tonight!
>>>>
>>>> -j
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> jason kirtland wrote:
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Python 2.6 has been released and 3.0 will be shortly.  We'll be
>>>>> celebrating their releases this Tuesday with a D.I.Y. What's New party!
>>>>>
>>>>> The format is simple: pick a change or two from the What's New in Python
>>>>> documentation from 2.6 or 3.0 and tell us about it!  You can use the
>>>>> projector if you want, but < 5 minutes.  That's easy because most
>>>>> changes
>>>>> are small.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's an example from 3.0:
>>>>>
>>>>>  "Removed <> (use != instead)."
>>>>>
>>>>> So easy!  Find some and bring 'em to us.  If you get inspired and want
>>>>> to
>>>>> share one of the few larger changes (< 10 min), check the wiki and put
>>>>> your
>>>>> name down.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll be bringing *two growlers* of rare and wonderful beer from Bailey's
>>>>> Taproom to get the party started.  Bring hardcopy of one or both What's
>>>>> New
>>>>> if you can.  And party hats.
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://docs.python.org/whatsnew/2.6.html
>>>>>  http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html
>>>>>
>>>>>  wiki: http://pdxpython.org/
>>>>>  maps, rsvp, etc.: http://python.meetup.com/183/
>>>>>
>>>>> Tuesday 10/14 7pm at CubeSpace.  See you there!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Jason
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Portland mailing list
>>>>> Portland at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Portland mailing list
>>>> Portland at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Portland mailing list
>>> Portland at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Portland mailing list
>> Portland at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Portland mailing list
> Portland at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
> 


From chiller at decipherinc.com  Tue Oct 21 23:36:23 2008
From: chiller at decipherinc.com (Christopher Hiller)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:36:23 -0700
Subject: [portland] introduction and a call for recommendations
Message-ID: <da636b60810211436u54eb997byae6f9b679610d5b0@mail.gmail.com>

Hello mailing list,

I'm Christopher Hiller and I'm a software engineer for Decipher, Inc.  Our
business is online surveys and we generally work with marketing agencies.
Our technologies, on the main, are Python and JavaScript (a lot of jQuery).

Personally, I've been using Python for several years and it's my language of
choice for most development and scripting.  I haven't done Python full-time
before, so I am sort of immersing myself in it --  I was wondering if anyone
could recommend any good Python-related blogs or news sites?

thanks
Chris
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 04:58:20 2008
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:58:20 -0700
Subject: [portland] introduction and a call for recommendations
In-Reply-To: <da636b60810211436u54eb997byae6f9b679610d5b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da636b60810211436u54eb997byae6f9b679610d5b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f604188c0810211958m2c84284fsfca526840cc6c8fa@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Chris --

Welcome to Portland.

I've got some write-ups of previous meetings of this group, which you
might retrieve with these filtering queries:

http://worldgame.blogspot.com/search?q=PPUG
http://controlroom.blogspot.com/search?q=PPUG
http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/search?q=PPUG

There's some good history there, re topics we've covered, though my
treatment is anything but comprehensive and/or exhaustive, are in no
way official meeting minutes or anything close.

Just another proud Portland Pythoneer,

Kirby


On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Christopher Hiller
<chiller at decipherinc.com> wrote:
> Hello mailing list,
>
> I'm Christopher Hiller and I'm a software engineer for Decipher, Inc.  Our
> business is online surveys and we generally work with marketing agencies.
> Our technologies, on the main, are Python and JavaScript (a lot of jQuery).
>
> Personally, I've been using Python for several years and it's my language of
> choice for most development and scripting.  I haven't done Python full-time
> before, so I am sort of immersing myself in it --  I was wondering if anyone
> could recommend any good Python-related blogs or news sites?
>
> thanks
> Chris

From notbot at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 18:34:42 2008
From: notbot at gmail.com (Michael Bunsen)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:34:42 -0700
Subject: [portland] Looking for Pylons Developer
Message-ID: <1056a3050810220934o1884c6br6fcd70e0c9f02fdc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Portland Pythoneers,

I am looking for someone with Pylons experience to continue developing
a medium-sized corporate website based in downtown Portland. We
recently lost our key Python/Pylons person and there are several
existing issues that need immediate attention. We will also be adding
new features in the near future and hope to establish a longer-term
relationship.
This would be a contract position and we are looking to hire immediately.

Please let me know if you are or know somebody who would be interested.

Thank you!

Michael
503-928-4124

From freyley at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 22:45:06 2008
From: freyley at gmail.com (Jeff Schwaber)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:45:06 -0700
Subject: [portland] introspecting method signatures
Message-ID: <8db4a1910810221345l6ba44856m39e6d44782545955@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks,

I'm trying to find a way to get method signatures at runtime, or pass
signatures straight through to an inside function. I'm basically
trying to redefine functions to do what they currently do but do
something else first. My current idea, stymied by signatures, is to
create closures wrapping the functions.

So something like this:

def foo(a, b):
  pass
def bar(b = None):
  pass

funclist = [foo, bar]
closurelist = []

for func in funclist:
  def closure():      # this should have the arguments for the func
      # do something
      func()              # so I can pass them in here
  closurelist.append(closure)

The closest I've found is func.func_code.co_varnames, which is a list
of variables in the signature, but it doesn't have default arguments
or mark any which are * or **. Anybody know the right way to do this,
or am I barking up the wrong tree? The # do something is what I'm
after.

Thanks,

Jeff

From chiller at decipherinc.com  Wed Oct 22 23:08:08 2008
From: chiller at decipherinc.com (Christopher Hiller)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:08:08 -0700
Subject: [portland] introspecting method signatures
In-Reply-To: <8db4a1910810221345l6ba44856m39e6d44782545955@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8db4a1910810221345l6ba44856m39e6d44782545955@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <da636b60810221408v47cc3660j3f7df4db98025845@mail.gmail.com>

Jeff,

I don't quite understand your example code.  Does
http://diveintopython.org/power_of_introspection/index.html help any?

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Jeff Schwaber <freyley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> I'm trying to find a way to get method signatures at runtime, or pass
> signatures straight through to an inside function. I'm basically
> trying to redefine functions to do what they currently do but do
> something else first. My current idea, stymied by signatures, is to
> create closures wrapping the functions.
>
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From hallettj at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 23:09:17 2008
From: hallettj at gmail.com (Jesse Hallett)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:09:17 -0700
Subject: [portland] introspecting method signatures
Message-ID: <8a02878f0810221409r3bb3a49nb69ded4467012d74@mail.gmail.com>



I found this link with code for aliasing methods. You can probably alias the 
original method, then override the original method name with a new method, 
and call the aliased method from the new method.

http://waimangu.typepad.com/notepad/2006/12/usrbinenv_pytho.html

I haven't tried the code though; so I can't guarantee that it works.

On Oct 22, 2008 1:45 PM, "Jeff Schwaber" <freyley at gmail.com> wrote:

Hey folks,

I'm trying to find a way to get method signatures at runtime, or pass
signatures straight through to an inside function. I'm basically
trying to redefine functions to do what they currently do but do
something else first. My current idea, stymied by signatures, is to
create closures wrapping the functions.

So something like this:

def foo(a, b):
 pass
def bar(b = None):
 pass

funclist = [foo, bar]
closurelist = []

for func in funclist:
 def closure():      # this should have the arguments for the func
     # do something
     func()              # so I can pass them in here
 closurelist.append(closure)

The closest I've found is func.func_code.co_varnames, which is a list
of variables in the signature, but it doesn't have default arguments
or mark any which are * or **. Anybody know the right way to do this,
or am I barking up the wrong tree? The # do something is what I'm
after.

Thanks,

Jeff
_______________________________________________
Portland mailing list
Portland at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland

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From pacopablo at pacopablo.com  Wed Oct 22 23:08:38 2008
From: pacopablo at pacopablo.com (John Hampton)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:08:38 -0700
Subject: [portland] introspecting method signatures
In-Reply-To: <8db4a1910810221345l6ba44856m39e6d44782545955@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8db4a1910810221345l6ba44856m39e6d44782545955@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FF9656.6060901@pacopablo.com>

Jeff Schwaber wrote:
> The closest I've found is func.func_code.co_varnames, which is a list
> of variables in the signature, but it doesn't have default arguments
> or mark any which are * or **. Anybody know the right way to do this,
> or am I barking up the wrong tree? The # do something is what I'm
> after.

Sounds like you want decorators.  They are present in Python >=2.4.

Simplistic example:

def timefunc(fn):
     def wrapper(*args, **kwargs):
         st = time.time()
         val = fn(*args, **kwargs)
         print('Elapsed time: %0.2f' % (time.time() - st))
         return val
     return wrapper

So you can use this function to decorate any other function and it will 
time the decorated function.  (Note, there are better ways to profile 
your code, etc.)

@timefunc
def my_new_func(param, param1=None):
     print("This is timed!  param: %s, param1: %s" %
           (str(param), str(param1)))


my_new_func(1, param1='bar')

There are some decent tutorials on the intertubes regarding decorators. 
Google is your friend.

-John

From freyley at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 00:06:00 2008
From: freyley at gmail.com (Jeff Schwaber)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:06:00 -0700
Subject: [portland] introspecting method signatures
In-Reply-To: <8a02878f0810221409r3bb3a49nb69ded4467012d74@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8a02878f0810221409r3bb3a49nb69ded4467012d74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8db4a1910810221506n2f76d68ekbd75128c56c89075@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Jesse Hallett <hallettj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I found this link with code for aliasing methods. You can probably alias the
> original method, then override the original method name with a new method,
> and call the aliased method from the new method.
>
> http://waimangu.typepad.com/notepad/2006/12/usrbinenv_pytho.html
>
> I haven't tried the code though; so I can't guarantee that it works.

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly why it's working and other things I've
tried aren't, but that looks like what I'm trying to do.

Decorators, as John Hampton suggested, may also be a good choice,
because they're pretty clear syntax.

Thanks,

Jeff

> On Oct 22, 2008 1:45 PM, "Jeff Schwaber" <freyley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> I'm trying to find a way to get method signatures at runtime, or pass
> signatures straight through to an inside function. I'm basically
> trying to redefine functions to do what they currently do but do
> something else first. My current idea, stymied by signatures, is to
> create closures wrapping the functions.
>
> So something like this:
>
> def foo(a, b):
>  pass
> def bar(b = None):
>  pass
>
> funclist = [foo, bar]
> closurelist = []
>
> for func in funclist:
>  def closure():      # this should have the arguments for the func
>     # do something
>     func()              # so I can pass them in here
>  closurelist.append(closure)
>
> The closest I've found is func.func_code.co_varnames, which is a list
> of variables in the signature, but it doesn't have default arguments
> or mark any which are * or **. Anybody know the right way to do this,
> or am I barking up the wrong tree? The # do something is what I'm
> after.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
> _______________________________________________
> Portland mailing list
> Portland at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
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From dana.a.schwartz at intel.com  Thu Oct 23 05:32:56 2008
From: dana.a.schwartz at intel.com (Schwartz, Dana A)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:32:56 -0700
Subject: [portland] Python COM and JMP
Message-ID: <E4DE81BB7DF2404896DECE6D6E521BAD06C1A6F6@orsmsx507.amr.corp.intel.com>

I am trying to use Python to script the JMP application and I get some strange errors. I am a not a super experienced programmer in any language. I mostly work from examples I find on the internet, but I could not find the solution to this issue on google.

Here is my code:

[code]
from win32com.client import Dispatch

x  = Dispatch("JMP.Application")

x.Eval('dt=Open("//test.csv", End of Field(Comma), Labels(1))')

[/code]

Here is my error:


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "M:/JMP_TEST_PYTHON.py", line 33, in <module>
    x.Eval('dt=Open("//ScriptHost-Prod/SHUser$/DASCHWAR/CAR_DEFECTS.csv", End of Field(Comma), Labels(1))')
  File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\dynamic.py", line 496, in __getattr__
    raise AttributeError, "%s.%s" % (self._username_, attr)
AttributeError: JMP.Application.Eval


Thanks for the help.


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From jeff at taupro.com  Thu Oct 23 13:39:25 2008
From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:39:25 -0500
Subject: [portland] introspecting method signatures
In-Reply-To: <8db4a1910810221506n2f76d68ekbd75128c56c89075@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8a02878f0810221409r3bb3a49nb69ded4467012d74@mail.gmail.com>
	<8db4a1910810221506n2f76d68ekbd75128c56c89075@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4900626D.8060906@taupro.com>

Jeff Schwaber wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Jesse Hallett <hallettj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I found this link with code for aliasing methods. You can probably alias the
>> original method, then override the original method name with a new method,
>> and call the aliased method from the new method.
>>
>> http://waimangu.typepad.com/notepad/2006/12/usrbinenv_pytho.html
>>
>> I haven't tried the code though; so I can't guarantee that it works.
> 
> Yeah, I'm not sure exactly why it's working and other things I've
> tried aren't, but that looks like what I'm trying to do.
> 
> Decorators, as John Hampton suggested, may also be a good choice,
> because they're pretty clear syntax.

Regardless of your approach, go read up about the 'inspect' module in the
Python stdlib for tips on how to introspect the signature of a callable.  It
does all the heavy lifting that you're trying to do with the
func.func_code.co_varnames.

Another useful piece of code for study is the 'decorator' module in the
Cheeseshop.  It uses signature introspection to hide itself and minimize
impact on the wrapped function.

Grab its source using:

  easy_install --editable -b . decorator

and look in the subdirectory 'decorator', or install it for use:

  easy_install decorator

What you're doing, re registering functions in a global list, is one of the
three things possible with a conventional Python decorator.  The other two are
to (2) adjust attributes of the wrapped function and (3) intercept the call
and return phases of execution.  The thing to remember about decorators is
that they are called at "function definition time", not "function invocation
time".

I go into this a bit in a presentation I created for the recent PyArkansas
regional conference.  You can find my slides/handouts at:

https://dfwpython.org/repo/Presentations/2008-10-04-PyArkansas-PythonConcepts/

-Jeff

From freyley at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 19:51:19 2008
From: freyley at gmail.com (Jeff Schwaber)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:51:19 -0700
Subject: [portland] introspecting method signatures
In-Reply-To: <4900626D.8060906@taupro.com>
References: <8a02878f0810221409r3bb3a49nb69ded4467012d74@mail.gmail.com>
	<8db4a1910810221506n2f76d68ekbd75128c56c89075@mail.gmail.com>
	<4900626D.8060906@taupro.com>
Message-ID: <8db4a1910810231051n2f2f55c3x1f58ae8c5deb981e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Jeff Rush <jeff at taupro.com> wrote:
> Jeff Schwaber wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Jesse Hallett <hallettj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I found this link with code for aliasing methods. You can probably alias the
>>> original method, then override the original method name with a new method,
>>> and call the aliased method from the new method.
>>>
>>> http://waimangu.typepad.com/notepad/2006/12/usrbinenv_pytho.html
>>>
>>> I haven't tried the code though; so I can't guarantee that it works.
>>
>> Yeah, I'm not sure exactly why it's working and other things I've
>> tried aren't, but that looks like what I'm trying to do.
>>
>> Decorators, as John Hampton suggested, may also be a good choice,
>> because they're pretty clear syntax.
>
> Regardless of your approach, go read up about the 'inspect' module in the
> Python stdlib for tips on how to introspect the signature of a callable.  It
> does all the heavy lifting that you're trying to do with the
> func.func_code.co_varnames.

Yep. inspect.getargspec and inspect.formatargspec are very much what I
was originally asking about.

I'll look at decorator next. =)

Thanks,

Jeff

From igal at pragmaticraft.com  Thu Oct 30 02:02:49 2008
From: igal at pragmaticraft.com (Igal Koshevoy)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:02:49 -0700
Subject: [portland] Fwd: Open Source Bridge Conference town hall meeting -
 Thursday, October 30th, 7:30pm, CubeSpace
Message-ID: <490907B9.1000004@pragmaticraft.com>

Tomorrow's the first public meeting of the group organizing a regional,
community-run open source conference to replace OSCON. I realize this
isn't much notice, but they'll have many more meetings in the future.
Please subscribe to their blog's feed for future meeting announcements
and information. Thanks!

Details on this town hall meeting: http://calagator.org/events/1250456028

Conference homepage and blog: http://www.bridgepdx.org/

    Open Source Bridge will be a completely volunteer-run, community
    effort to connect developers working with open source.

    Open Source Bridge will bring together the diverse tech communities
    of the greater Portland area and showcase our unique and thriving
    open source environment. We will show how well Portland does open
    source and share our best practices for development, community and
    connectedness with the rest of the world.

    We're kicking things off with a town hall discussion and planning
    meeting on October 30th, 7:30pm at CubeSpace (located at 622 SE
    Grand Avenue in Portland). We'll talk about overall goals for the
    conference, then break into small working groups to start tackling
    the event planning needs. If you can, bring an audio or video
    recorder to help document the discussion.

    Please let us know if you can attend. If October 30 doesn't work for
    you, let us know as we will be having a second meeting on the
    west-side. We'd very much like to have your participation in making
    this conference a fun, educational experience.

    You can RSVP by filling in the form at
    http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=p1ZDddPXGskYFX5NnM9FaXA&hl=en   



From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 02:08:06 2008
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:08:06 -0700
Subject: [portland] Fwd: Open Source Bridge Conference town hall meeting
	- Thursday, October 30th, 7:30pm, CubeSpace
In-Reply-To: <490907B9.1000004@pragmaticraft.com>
References: <490907B9.1000004@pragmaticraft.com>
Message-ID: <f604188c0810291808q3512b520o5da9ddf74679862@mail.gmail.com>

I'd say "augment OSCON" or "complement OSCON" as I personally don't wish to
see OSCON replaced or supplanted.

There's plenty of room in open source consciousness for more than one
Portland based conference.

Kirby


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Igal Koshevoy <igal at pragmaticraft.com>wrote:

> Tomorrow's the first public meeting of the group organizing a regional,
> community-run open source conference to replace OSCON. I realize this
> isn't much notice, but they'll have many more meetings in the future.
> Please subscribe to their blog's feed for future meeting announcements
> and information. Thanks!
>
>
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From mack at incise.org  Thu Oct 30 03:17:10 2008
From: mack at incise.org (Nick Welch)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:17:10 -0700
Subject: [portland] Fwd: Open Source Bridge Conference town hall meeting
	- Thursday, October 30th, 7:30pm, CubeSpace
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On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:08 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:

> There's plenty of room in open source consciousness for more than one
> Portland based conference.



OSCON has left Portland...

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/business/1221092714119880.xml&coll=7
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From igal at pragmaticraft.com  Thu Oct 30 04:35:41 2008
From: igal at pragmaticraft.com (Igal Koshevoy)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:35:41 -0700
Subject: [portland] Fwd: Open Source Bridge Conference town hall meeting
 - Thursday, October 30th, 7:30pm, CubeSpace
In-Reply-To: <f604188c0810291808q3512b520o5da9ddf74679862@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490907B9.1000004@pragmaticraft.com>
	<f604188c0810291808q3512b520o5da9ddf74679862@mail.gmail.com>
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kirby urner wrote:
> I'd say "augment OSCON" or "complement OSCON" as I personally don't wish to
> see OSCON replaced or supplanted.
>
> There's plenty of room in open source consciousness for more than one
> Portland based conference.

I don't represent Bridge, but am merely trying to spread the word.

The "replace OSCON" phrase isn't the official stance. I chose those
words because there won't be an OSCON in Portland next year, and even if
there was, many stopped going to it because it wasn't useful. There's a
strong demand for a NW regional OSS conference whose content better
meets the needs of people working with open source, hence Bridge.

We're lucky to have an active Python users group and I'd like to see
Python well-represented at Bridge.

-igal

From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 05:04:24 2008
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:04:24 -0700
Subject: [portland] Fwd: Open Source Bridge Conference town hall meeting
	- Thursday, October 30th, 7:30pm, CubeSpace
In-Reply-To: <9e00fd550810291917s35d3dd6erba72ff3602bb98ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490907B9.1000004@pragmaticraft.com>
	<f604188c0810291808q3512b520o5da9ddf74679862@mail.gmail.com>
	<9e00fd550810291917s35d3dd6erba72ff3602bb98ed@mail.gmail.com>
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Thx, didn't know that.

Might come back though...  someday.

Anyway, I'm pleased about the new ferment, might try to make some of your
meeting.

Kirby


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Nick Welch <mack at incise.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:08 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > There's plenty of room in open source consciousness for more than one
> > Portland based conference.
>
>
>
> OSCON has left Portland...
>
>
> http://www.oregonlive.com/business/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/business/1221092714119880.xml&coll=7
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From dsl at looprock.com  Thu Oct 30 05:52:22 2008
From: dsl at looprock.com (Douglas Land)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:52:22 -0700
Subject: [portland] Fwd: Open Source Bridge Conference town hall meeting
	- Thursday, October 30th, 7:30pm, CubeSpace
In-Reply-To: <f604188c0810292104oddd84c4qe856a26e1693e5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490907B9.1000004@pragmaticraft.com>
	<f604188c0810291808q3512b520o5da9ddf74679862@mail.gmail.com>
	<9e00fd550810291917s35d3dd6erba72ff3602bb98ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<f604188c0810292104oddd84c4qe856a26e1693e5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5409c990810292152k15d8e088o5e1992f7edb80d75@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds really interesting but tomorrow isn't going to work for
me. There's a note to "contact me" but I can't find a way to do that.
Where's the mailing list/ twitter [ or Identi.ca] feed / google group
/ facebook [ or Elgg] page??  :)

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:04 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thx, didn't know that.
>
> Might come back though...  someday.
>
> Anyway, I'm pleased about the new ferment, might try to make some of your
> meeting.
>
> Kirby
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Nick Welch <mack at incise.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:08 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > There's plenty of room in open source consciousness for more than one
>> > Portland based conference.
>>
>>
>>
>> OSCON has left Portland...
>>
>>
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From igal at pragmaticraft.com  Thu Oct 30 06:05:39 2008
From: igal at pragmaticraft.com (Igal Koshevoy)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:05:39 -0700
Subject: [portland] Fwd: Open Source Bridge Conference town hall meeting
 - Thursday, October 30th, 7:30pm, CubeSpace
In-Reply-To: <5409c990810292152k15d8e088o5e1992f7edb80d75@mail.gmail.com>
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Douglas Land wrote:
> This sounds really interesting but tomorrow isn't going to work for
> me. There's a note to "contact me" but I can't find a way to do that.
> Where's the mailing list/ twitter [ or Identi.ca] feed / google group
> / facebook [ or Elgg] page??  :)
>   
Thanks for the suggestion and interest. Yes, it should be easier to
contact the organizers and there should be some kind of public mailing list.

For now, please subscribe to the bridgepdx.org site's feed so you can
get announcements, for example, when they decide to announce a Google
group for the project.

I've CC'ed Audrey and Selena from Bridge so they see your comment.

-igal

From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 17:03:24 2008
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:03:24 -0700
Subject: [portland] Fwd: Open Source Bridge Conference town hall meeting
	- Thursday, October 30th, 7:30pm, CubeSpace
In-Reply-To: <490940A3.2030609@pragmaticraft.com>
References: <490907B9.1000004@pragmaticraft.com>
	<f604188c0810291808q3512b520o5da9ddf74679862@mail.gmail.com>
	<9e00fd550810291917s35d3dd6erba72ff3602bb98ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<f604188c0810292104oddd84c4qe856a26e1693e5b@mail.gmail.com>
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	<490940A3.2030609@pragmaticraft.com>
Message-ID: <f604188c0810310903p7a81e8c8uc40d7c714de19182@mail.gmail.com>

So hey, this was a fun meetup, all news to me, did my usual quirky
write-up in me blog, yar!:

http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2008/10/looking-ahead.html

In the group go-round I introduced myself as "a spy for O'Reilly" [
laughter ] but that was more just an icebreaker to forestall any
future conflict of interest charges, as in yes, I've benefited
financially from my OSCON experiences, subscribe to Safari, have
received past payment from that company (example in Photostream **)).

Had I known yet that Allison was in the crowd I'd have been more shy,
as she was program track co-chair at OSCON 10 this year, way more of
an insider than I'll ever be.

Missed ya'll at the beers after, still practicing my EuroPython skills
a little (more into vodka since Vilnius).

Kirby

** http://www.flickr.com/photos/17157315 at N00/2943807612/



On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Igal Koshevoy <igal at pragmaticraft.com> wrote:
> Douglas Land wrote:
>> This sounds really interesting but tomorrow isn't going to work for
>> me. There's a note to "contact me" but I can't find a way to do that.
>> Where's the mailing list/ twitter [ or Identi.ca] feed / google group
>> / facebook [ or Elgg] page??  :)
>>
> Thanks for the suggestion and interest. Yes, it should be easier to
> contact the organizers and there should be some kind of public mailing list.
>
> For now, please subscribe to the bridgepdx.org site's feed so you can
> get announcements, for example, when they decide to announce a Google
> group for the project.
>
> I've CC'ed Audrey and Selena from Bridge so they see your comment.
>
> -igal
> _______________________________________________
> Portland mailing list
> Portland at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>