From jek at discorporate.us  Wed Jun  4 22:15:31 2008
From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:15:31 -0700
Subject: [portland] Next meeting: Tuesday June 10th.  Django, Web, Twisted,
	pizza, prizes!
Message-ID: <4846F7E3.7050200@discorporate.us>

Hi all,

Our next meeting is this coming Tuesday, June 10th 7PM @ CubeSpace.  The
Portland Django user group will be joining us for a Python web and
network super meeting!

Join us for presentations, show & tell and lively group discussions
about Python web and network frameworks, followed by beer at Produce Row
& more discussion.

Confirmed projectionists:

  - Django: Michael Richardson
  - Twisted: Michel Pelletier
  - WSGI: Jason Kirtland

And maybe Pylons, TurboGears, tg2, Grok, Zope, AppEngine, orbited,
Mantissa... with your help!  No formal presentation required- show &
tell is great, 10,000 feet or just a single feature you like or dislike.
 Plug in your laptop and show some code.

Pizza will be provided by Vidoop!  PLEASE rsvp on Meetup & help ensure
there's enough pizza for everyone.

  http://python.meetup.com/183/

We also have some great book give-aways, courtesy of O'Reilly.
Presenters get first pick, then we'll free-for-all the remainder.

  Programing Amazon Web Services: S3, EC2, SQS, FPS & SimpleDB
  http://amazon.com/dp/0596515812

  Programming Collective Intelligence: Building Smart Web 2.0 Apps
  http://amazon.com/dp/0596529325

  Ajax: The Definitive Guide
  http://amazon.com/dp/0596528388

  The Art & Science of JavaScript
  http://amazon.com/dp/0980285844

  The Ultimate CSS Reference
  http://amazon.com/dp/0980285852

  Twisted Network Programming Essentials
  http://amazon.com/dp/0596100329

  The Python Cookbook
  http://amazon.com/dp/0596007973

Hope to see you all there!


From mack at incise.org  Fri Jun  6 11:31:11 2008
From: mack at incise.org (Nick Welch)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 02:31:11 -0700
Subject: [portland] Video: "An Insurgency of Quality"
Message-ID: <20080606093111.GB681@incise.org>

This video just rocked my world.. it's from an interaction designer but
is about software development and how it relates to craftmanship,
industrial-age management, and all kinds of insightful stuff that really
hit me.  40 minutes long and well worth it.

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1416866797

-- 
Nick Welch | mack @ incise.org | http://incise.org

From freyley at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 10:53:58 2008
From: freyley at gmail.com (Jeff Schwaber)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 01:53:58 -0700
Subject: [portland] Fwd: [xpportland] Introduction to Agile, June 17-18
Message-ID: <8db4a1910806060153h6777bef9sd24337c5d8fc89cb@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Pythonists,

Diana Larsen and Jim Shore are two excellent agilists in the Portland
area and the opportunity to learn from them should not be ignored.

Jeff


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Diana Larsen <dlarsen at futureworksconsulting.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:10 PM
Subject: [xpportland] Think globally, train locally - SAO Introduction
to Agile, June 17-18
To: xpportland at yahoogroups.com, apln-pdx at yahoogroups.com


Hi all,

Software Association of Oregon (SAO) and the Oregon Training Network
recruited Jim Shore and me to provide two days of Introduction to
Agile courses right here in Portland in June. Frankly, we're delighted.

On June 17, we'll present "The Business of Agile" and on June 18,
we'll present "Agile Software Development: No Silver Bullet, Just Good
Sense." The first day may appeal more to managers and organizational
leaders who are considering whether adopting Agile methods would be a
good move for their businesses. We've focused the second day more for
technical professionals. However, anyone interested in a shift to
Agile methods would get a lot out of either day.

Jim has blogged about the courses here:
http://jamesshore.com/Calendar/2008-06-17.html

I've blogged about them here:
http://www.futureworksconsulting.com/blog/2008/06/01/oregon-training-network/

If you have any questions about the courses, please feel free to
contact the Rachel Kjack at the Oregon Training Network, or Jim Shore,
or me.

Please help us spread the word about these courses to people in your
organization who you'd like to see jump on the Agile bandwagon.

Do you know folks in other organizations who've been curious about
Agile methods? Let them know about these courses.

Are you a member of a software-related user group (PJUG, PDX.rb,
pdxphp, PADNUG, SPIN, etc.) that has members who'd like to know about
these courses? Please cross-post this notice to those groups.

We have a short window of time to get good information to the people
who need it to make the best decision for their teams and
organizations. We need your help. Will you help us?

For direct links to registration pages, look here: http://tinyurl.com/67kscr
and here: http://tinyurl.com/5ghou8
The registration is extra-ordinarily reasonable, and there's an
additional discount for two people registering together.

Thanks for your help in letting the right people know this
Introduction to Agile is coming up soon.

Best,
Diana

PS Also remember the next XPDX lunch meeting happens on Friday, June
20, at McMenamins on NE Broadway and 16th in the Lloyd Center District.

**
Diana Larsen
co-author: "Agile Retrospectives: Making Good Teams Great!"
board chair, Agile Alliance, www.agilealliance.org "Passion.
Improvement. Delivery."
blogger: http://www.futureworksconsulting.com/blog

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From igal at pragmaticraft.com  Mon Jun  9 09:58:38 2008
From: igal at pragmaticraft.com (Igal Koshevoy)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:58:38 -0700
Subject: [portland] Next meeting: Tuesday June 10th.  Django, Web,
 Twisted, pizza, prizes!
In-Reply-To: <4846F7E3.7050200@discorporate.us>
References: <4846F7E3.7050200@discorporate.us>
Message-ID: <484CE2AE.8020907@pragmaticraft.com>

jason kirtland wrote:
> Pylons, TurboGears, tg2
If no one else is familiar with these, I'd be glad to give a 
walkthrough. I used to know TurboGears 1 very well, am familiar with 
Pylons, and have a good understanding of the libraries these are 
composed of.

-igal

From frankamp at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 19:24:18 2008
From: frankamp at gmail.com (Joshua Frankamp)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:24:18 -0700
Subject: [portland] Next meeting: Tuesday June 10th. Django, Web, Twisted,
	pizza, prizes!
In-Reply-To: <484CE2AE.8020907@pragmaticraft.com>
References: <4846F7E3.7050200@discorporate.us>
	<484CE2AE.8020907@pragmaticraft.com>
Message-ID: <3d92b6630806091024v6141a1d0hb92adce64df54085@mail.gmail.com>

Hi from a new member,

I've built a couple of apps in pylons and im excited to hear someone talk
about it to see if I butchered anything. :-)

- Joshua

On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Igal Koshevoy <igal at pragmaticraft.com>
wrote:

> jason kirtland wrote:
>
>> Pylons, TurboGears, tg2
>>
> If no one else is familiar with these, I'd be glad to give a walkthrough. I
> used to know TurboGears 1 very well, am familiar with Pylons, and have a
> good understanding of the libraries these are composed of.
>
> -igal
> _______________________________________________
> Portland mailing list
> Portland at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 19:34:38 2008
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:34:38 -0700
Subject: [portland] Next meeting: Tuesday June 10th. Django, Web, Twisted,
	pizza, prizes!
In-Reply-To: <3d92b6630806091024v6141a1d0hb92adce64df54085@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4846F7E3.7050200@discorporate.us>
	<484CE2AE.8020907@pragmaticraft.com>
	<3d92b6630806091024v6141a1d0hb92adce64df54085@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f604188c0806091034v19471dffp3481b5c5376983e8@mail.gmail.com>

In my case, I'm picking up Django templating cuz it's a part of the
Google app-engine (also YAML), so am really hoping to make this, just
to further wet my feet (whet my appetite or whatever).   I also suck
at JavaScript and regular expressions.

Kirby


On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Joshua Frankamp <frankamp at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi from a new member,
>
> I've built a couple of apps in pylons and im excited to hear someone talk
> about it to see if I butchered anything. :-)
>
> - Joshua
>
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Igal Koshevoy <igal at pragmaticraft.com>
> wrote:
>
>> jason kirtland wrote:
>>
>>> Pylons, TurboGears, tg2
>>>
>> If no one else is familiar with these, I'd be glad to give a walkthrough. I
>> used to know TurboGears 1 very well, am familiar with Pylons, and have a
>> good understanding of the libraries these are composed of.
>>
>> -igal
>> _______________________________________________
>> Portland mailing list
>> Portland at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>>
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>

From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 19:37:04 2008
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:37:04 -0700
Subject: [portland] Next meeting: Tuesday June 10th. Django, Web, Twisted,
	pizza, prizes!
In-Reply-To: <f604188c0806091034v19471dffp3481b5c5376983e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4846F7E3.7050200@discorporate.us>
	<484CE2AE.8020907@pragmaticraft.com>
	<3d92b6630806091024v6141a1d0hb92adce64df54085@mail.gmail.com>
	<f604188c0806091034v19471dffp3481b5c5376983e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f604188c0806091037x6c84a738i7ea6764c038e43a1@mail.gmail.com>

... and CSS, I suck at CSS (which is why I avail of my open source
heritage and gladly accept stylesheets others have put out there, like
for 4D Studios I've got this Wild! template with a cute seal picture
'n stuff...), still just serving to myself though, way cool that
app-engine is so consistent at mirroring, plus you can import those
Google extensions as part of your regular apps if you see any reason
to.

Kirby


On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:34 AM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:
> In my case, I'm picking up Django templating cuz it's a part of the
> Google app-engine (also YAML), so am really hoping to make this, just
> to further wet my feet (whet my appetite or whatever).   I also suck
> at JavaScript and regular expressions.
>
> Kirby
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Joshua Frankamp <frankamp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi from a new member,
>>
>> I've built a couple of apps in pylons and im excited to hear someone talk
>> about it to see if I butchered anything. :-)
>>
>> - Joshua
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Igal Koshevoy <igal at pragmaticraft.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> jason kirtland wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pylons, TurboGears, tg2
>>>>
>>> If no one else is familiar with these, I'd be glad to give a walkthrough. I
>>> used to know TurboGears 1 very well, am familiar with Pylons, and have a
>>> good understanding of the libraries these are composed of.
>>>
>>> -igal
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Portland mailing list
>>> Portland at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland
>>>
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>

From igal at pragmaticraft.com  Sat Jun  7 16:54:23 2008
From: igal at pragmaticraft.com (Igal Koshevoy)
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 07:54:23 -0700
Subject: [portland] PDXFUNC MEETING: Monday, June 9, 7pm,
 CubeSpace -- FP with dynamic languages
Message-ID: <484AA11F.8060305@pragmaticraft.com>

Please join us at the next meeting of pdxfunc, the Portland Functional 
Programming Study Group. The group meets monthly for presentations, 
demos and discussions. We welcome programmers interested in all 
functional languages, and the meetings feature content for coders of all 
skill levels. If interested, please subscribe to our mailing list at 
http://groups.google.com/group/pdxfunc

PRESENTATION:

Title: Functional programming with dynamic languages

Summary: Dynamic, multi-paradigm languages such as Ruby, Python and Perl 
allow programmers great flexibility in how they can write their code, 
although most use an imperative (AKA "procedural") style. However, using 
a functional style selectively can help provide clearer and shorter 
code, reduce bugs, and improve performance. This presentation will 
provide a basic overview of functional programming, sample code 
demonstrating how to use functional programming features of dynamic 
languages, compare and contrast code samples of functional and 
imperative styles, and discuss when each style is appropriate. No 
previous knowledge of functional programming is necessary.

Bio: Igal Koshevoy is a Business-Technology Consultant with over a 
decade of experience creating sophisticated, business-critical systems 
using open source technologies. He is the author of an open source 
server automation toolkit available at "automateit.org", and supports 
local community efforts through Calagator, Portland Ruby Brigade, 
Portland Functional Programming Study Group, Legion of Tech, Ignite 
Portland, etc.

See you there!

PS: Sorry for the short notice, but Kevin's talk on XML parsing with 
Haskell had to be delayed. Hopefully he'll be able to present it next month.

From robin at alldunn.com  Mon Jun  9 20:30:07 2008
From: robin at alldunn.com (Robin Dunn)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:30:07 -0700
Subject: [portland] Next meeting: Tuesday June 10th. Django, Web, Twisted,
 pizza, prizes!
In-Reply-To: <f604188c0806091037x6c84a738i7ea6764c038e43a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4846F7E3.7050200@discorporate.us>	<484CE2AE.8020907@pragmaticraft.com>	<3d92b6630806091024v6141a1d0hb92adce64df54085@mail.gmail.com>	<f604188c0806091034v19471dffp3481b5c5376983e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<f604188c0806091037x6c84a738i7ea6764c038e43a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <484D76AF.8050100@alldunn.com>

kirby urner wrote:
> ... and CSS, I suck at CSS (which is why I avail of my open source
> heritage and gladly accept stylesheets others have put out there, like

I've had the same problem with CSS in the past, I just couldn't wrap my 
brain around it for some reason.  I recently picked up this book: 
http://nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=wpdr and it has helped a lot. 
It is mostly reference material, but the chapter explaining CSS was well 
worth it for me even though it is only about 2% of the whole book.


-- 
Robin Dunn
Software Craftsman
http://wxPython.org  Java give you jitters?  Relax with wxPython!


From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com  Mon Jun  9 21:03:27 2008
From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:03:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [portland] Next meeting: Tuesday June 10th. Django, Web, Twisted,
 pizza, prizes!
In-Reply-To: <484D76AF.8050100@alldunn.com>
References: <4846F7E3.7050200@discorporate.us>
	<484CE2AE.8020907@pragmaticraft.com>
	<3d92b6630806091024v6141a1d0hb92adce64df54085@mail.gmail.com>
	<f604188c0806091034v19471dffp3481b5c5376983e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<f604188c0806091037x6c84a738i7ea6764c038e43a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<484D76AF.8050100@alldunn.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0806091201290.4282@salmo.appl-ecosys.com>

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008, Robin Dunn wrote:

> kirby urner wrote:
>> ... and CSS, I suck at CSS (which is why I avail of my open source
>> heritage and gladly accept stylesheets others have put out there, like
>
> I've had the same problem with CSS in the past, I just couldn't wrap my brain 
> around it for some reason.  I recently picked up this book: 
> http://nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=wpdr and it has helped a lot. It is 
> mostly reference material, but the chapter explaining CSS was well worth it 
> for me even though it is only about 2% of the whole book.

   When I needed to learn CSS to recreate our web site I spent time at
Powell's Tech Book store and ended up buying Eric Meyers' two books. They,
and a few web sites, taught me what I needed and I will state that I
actually understand what I did, and why.

Rich

-- 
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.               |  Integrity            Credibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.        |            Innovation
<http://www.appl-ecosys.com>     Voice: 503-667-4517      Fax: 503-667-8863

From igal at pragmaticraft.com  Mon Jun  9 21:22:41 2008
From: igal at pragmaticraft.com (Igal Koshevoy)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:22:41 -0700
Subject: [portland] Next meeting: Tuesday June 10th. Django, Web, Twisted,
 pizza, prizes!
In-Reply-To: <484D76AF.8050100@alldunn.com>
References: <4846F7E3.7050200@discorporate.us>	<484CE2AE.8020907@pragmaticraft.com>	<3d92b6630806091024v6141a1d0hb92adce64df54085@mail.gmail.com>	<f604188c0806091034v19471dffp3481b5c5376983e8@mail.gmail.com>	<f604188c0806091037x6c84a738i7ea6764c038e43a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<484D76AF.8050100@alldunn.com>
Message-ID: <484D8301.6040301@pragmaticraft.com>


> I just couldn't wrap my brain around [CSS] for some reason.  
Don't feel too bad, CSS makes many trivial tasks needlessly difficult, 
such as layout. However, the Firebug extension for Firefox really helped 
me understand and cope with CSS because I learn best by seeing examples. 
With Firebug, I can click elements on a web page, find out what CSS 
styles are applied to them and in what order, and can easily toggle 
individual styles on and off to see what each one does. I also find 
Firebug very useful for working with JavaScript because it provides a 
console where I can enter JavaScript code to interact with the page and 
easily see what AJAX calls are doing. Anyway, I highly recommend Firebug.

-igal

From jek at discorporate.us  Wed Jun 11 01:06:17 2008
From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:06:17 -0700
Subject: [portland] Reminder: Meeting tonight, 7PM.  Pizza!
In-Reply-To: <4846F7E3.7050200@discorporate.us>
References: <4846F7E3.7050200@discorporate.us>
Message-ID: <484F08E9.6010808@discorporate.us>

Hi all,

A reminder that we're meeting tonight at CubeSpace.  Hope to see you all
there!

jason kirtland wrote:
> Our next meeting is this coming Tuesday, June 10th 7PM @ CubeSpace.  The
> Portland Django user group will be joining us for a Python web and
> network super meeting!
> 
> Join us for presentations, show & tell and lively group discussions
> about Python web and network frameworks, followed by beer at Produce Row
> & more discussion.
> 
> Confirmed projectionists:
> 
>   - Django: Michael Richardson
>   - Twisted: Michel Pelletier
>   - WSGI: Jason Kirtland
> 
> And maybe Pylons, TurboGears, tg2, Grok, Zope, AppEngine, orbited,
> Mantissa... with your help!  No formal presentation required- show &
> tell is great, 10,000 feet or just a single feature you like or dislike.
>  Plug in your laptop and show some code.
> 
> Pizza will be provided by Vidoop!  PLEASE rsvp on Meetup & help ensure
> there's enough pizza for everyone.
> 
>   http://python.meetup.com/183/
> 
> We also have some great book give-aways, courtesy of O'Reilly.
> Presenters get first pick, then we'll free-for-all the remainder.
> 
>   Programing Amazon Web Services: S3, EC2, SQS, FPS & SimpleDB
>   http://amazon.com/dp/0596515812
> 
>   Programming Collective Intelligence: Building Smart Web 2.0 Apps
>   http://amazon.com/dp/0596529325
> 
>   Ajax: The Definitive Guide
>   http://amazon.com/dp/0596528388
> 
>   The Art & Science of JavaScript
>   http://amazon.com/dp/0980285844
> 
>   The Ultimate CSS Reference
>   http://amazon.com/dp/0980285852
> 
>   Twisted Network Programming Essentials
>   http://amazon.com/dp/0596100329
> 
>   The Python Cookbook
>   http://amazon.com/dp/0596007973


From igal at pragmaticraft.com  Thu Jun 12 10:34:28 2008
From: igal at pragmaticraft.com (Igal Koshevoy)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:34:28 -0700
Subject: [portland] Comparing frameworks
Message-ID: <4850DF94.2030203@pragmaticraft.com>

It was great seeing so many people interested in Python!

In my presentation, I feel I could have done a better job answering an 
important question: Why would I choose each of these frameworks? So 
here's my second attempt at answering this:

* Ruby on Rails: Need to quickly deliver a high-value project with 
rapidly changing requirements and a small team of expert developers that 
can be effective with such a powerful and complex toolkit.
* TurboGears 1: Need a mature, dependable pre-assembled framework that's 
flexible, and easy to setup and learn.
* TurboGears 2: Please consider using another framework until this 
project is further along.
* Pylons: Need to snap together a framework from libraries that best fit 
the dev team's opinionated needs, e.g. Mako vs. Genshi.
* Django: Need to build many long-lived, high-traffic apps at a larger 
organization were it helps to have a well-designed, fully-integrated 
common platform with good docs and many 3rd party extensions.

How would you try to answer this question for the frameworks you know?

The great news is that I don't think you can't make a "wrong" decision 
because all of these are good products. However because each framework 
caters to different needs, I recommend setting aside a few days and 
building a simple app (e.g. todo list, address book, etc) with each to 
see if it's right for you.

Cheers!

-igal

From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 15:51:25 2008
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:51:25 -0700
Subject: [portland] Comparing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <4850DF94.2030203@pragmaticraft.com>
References: <4850DF94.2030203@pragmaticraft.com>
Message-ID: <f604188c0806120651s7c3e5083s10b5b93f1705a015@mail.gmail.com>

I really appreciated these well-designed presentations and learned a
lot, was on a tight schedule, blogged about it here:
http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2008/06/ppug-2008610.html (very "my
point of view" -- not Oregonian nor even WW style journalism).

As a database guy, I'm interested in what I see as a trend on the
storage side, which is away from RDBMS, but not in the sense of
superseding, more in the sense of nudging aside a little to make room
for direct object storage with its own API, serialization behind the
scenes.  In Python world, Zope is a trailblazer, also Durus on top of
which you get such as Patrick's Schevo (Patrick who worked with Robin
Dunn on PyCrust and those (wxWidgets)). http://schevo.org/   Empty
stub (not by me): http://code.google.com/p/django-durus/

I'm also just looking at MVC as a paradigm (we heard how it "sort of"
fits with Django), see M as storage of state with theoretical
underpinnings, rules about how state might change ("business rules" in
some paradigms), V as including all these template / boilerplate
libraries, and C (Controller) being that which gives the user or
client some kind of driver seat or otherwise keeps users in the loop
(userspace API, like TV remote, channel changer of some kind, web
browser).

What I'd say is another trend is putting more user state in the model,
because of multi-user, session-based approaches, with Second Life a
good example (of needing to persist user state amidst all the rest of
it).  Blogged about this here:
http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2007/09/more-curriculum-writing-re-mvc.html

To fine tune, I'm not seeing SQL engines going away, but in addition
to ORM, which keeps a coding level insulated from a lot of raw SQL,
we're seeing in influx of more object oriented data storage designs,
sometimes with a "SQL like" syntax for combing through, getting some
subset (like a result set), Google new GQL the most obvious example in
some ways. http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/datastore/gqlqueryclass.html

I understand serialization has been around for a long time (Python's
pickle), so whats newer is not just going straight to the filesystem
provided by the OS and instead running a process like Zope's ** such
that programmers get a more web-friendly API (or at least that's often
a goal).

Kirby

** still a lot Medusa under the hood or did that go away? -- I spent
several days in a Plone sprint in Victoria with Alan and others, but
have since fallen behind in my reading in that literature (Plone is a
Zope-driven framework, quite a sandbox for trailblazing ideas I think,
plone.org , saw Alan in Chicago (but briefly))

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Igal Koshevoy <igal at pragmaticraft.com> wrote:
> It was great seeing so many people interested in Python!
>
> In my presentation, I feel I could have done a better job answering an
> important question: Why would I choose each of these frameworks? So here's
> my second attempt at answering this:
>
> * Ruby on Rails: Need to quickly deliver a high-value project with rapidly
> changing requirements and a small team of expert developers that can be
> effective with such a powerful and complex toolkit.
> * TurboGears 1: Need a mature, dependable pre-assembled framework that's
> flexible, and easy to setup and learn.
> * TurboGears 2: Please consider using another framework until this project
> is further along.
> * Pylons: Need to snap together a framework from libraries that best fit the
> dev team's opinionated needs, e.g. Mako vs. Genshi.
> * Django: Need to build many long-lived, high-traffic apps at a larger
> organization were it helps to have a well-designed, fully-integrated common
> platform with good docs and many 3rd party extensions.
>
> How would you try to answer this question for the frameworks you know?
>
> The great news is that I don't think you can't make a "wrong" decision
> because all of these are good products. However because each framework
> caters to different needs, I recommend setting aside a few days and building
> a simple app (e.g. todo list, address book, etc) with each to see if it's
> right for you.
>
> Cheers!
>
> -igal
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From mack at incise.org  Fri Jun 13 11:15:51 2008
From: mack at incise.org (Nick Welch)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:15:51 -0700
Subject: [portland] Status of Django-SQLAlchemy?
Message-ID: <20080613091551.GA9853@incise.org>

(I am asking Jason this question but figured the list would benefit from
what he has to say)

The work on Django-SQLAlchemy at Pycon '08 was mentioned at this month's
meeting, and I have done some googling on the topic, but I can't seem to
find a straightforward answer to the question, "How usable is it right
now?"

The Django ORM seems ok, but from what I have looked at, SQLAlchemy
seems to be the most powerful Python ORM, and I don't really see why
Django uses its own instead.  It seems silly.

Oh and this makes my skin crawl a little:

Entry.objects.filter(headline__exact='What')

It makes me think, "couldn't they have used lambdas and/or overloaded
operators and/or done SOMETHING else more sane and pythonic than this?"

And it turns out that SQLAlchemy did:

session.query(Entry).filter(Entry.headline == 'What'))

Maybe I'm just being superficial in this case, but that __ stuff is
really gross to me.

-- 
Nick Welch | mack @ incise.org | http://incise.org

From python at dylanreinhardt.com  Fri Jun 13 14:55:03 2008
From: python at dylanreinhardt.com (Dylan Reinhardt)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:55:03 -0700
Subject: [portland] Status of Django-SQLAlchemy?
In-Reply-To: <20080613091551.GA9853@incise.org>
References: <20080613091551.GA9853@incise.org>
Message-ID: <4c645a720806130555x610cdf88t153263fb3549de0c@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Nick Welch <mack at incise.org> wrote:
> And it turns out that SQLAlchemy did:
>
> session.query(Entry).filter(Entry.headline == 'What'))

Or, you're using mapping:

Entry.query.select("headline='What'")

From jek at discorporate.us  Thu Jun 19 20:44:56 2008
From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:44:56 -0700
Subject: [portland] [fwd] Portland developer community participation in
	OSCON2008: FOSSCoach
Message-ID: <485AA928.1080208@discorporate.us>

No OSCamp at OSCON this year.  Instead: FOSSCoach!

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [pdxphp] Portland developer community participation in
OSCON2008: FOSSCoach
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:35:12 -0700
From: Sam Keen <sam.sjk at gmail.com>

Hello all,

First, what is FOSSCoach:   "FOSSCoach is a series of events designed
to teach the essential skills required to participate in
collaborative, free and open online projects like Firefox(R) and
Wikipedia.  The events will get experienced online community
participants and leaders sharing their hard-won experience directly
with those looking to participate in (or start) collaborative free and
open online communities..." [
http://fosscoach.wikia.com/wiki/FOSSCoach  ]

If you are interested, Zak Greant and others are organizing the first
FOSSCoach Event to be held during OSCON2008, July 23,24,25 at the
Convention Center.  [
http://www.oreillynet.com/fyi/blog/2008/06/fosscoach_july_2325_in_portlan.html
]

I thought this would be a great opportunity for projects such as
Calagator to gain incite and exposure, and to share what they have
learned.

The event is free and open to the public but I believe you will need
to register through O'Reilly for a free "Exhibit Hall" pass on their
website or day of event.

Feel free to signup on the Wiki [
http://fosscoach.wikia.com/wiki/OSCON_2008 ] and if you want to
propose a session, or become a coatch, contact Zak directly (he's cc'd
on this email).

Please forward this to other groups and individuals in the community
who you think would be interested in FOSSCoach.

(fyi, for those looking for OSCamp, it has been indefinitely retired.
Energy that had gone into that, will instead be going into FOSSCoach)

regards,
sam keen

From adam at therobots.org  Thu Jun 19 22:49:37 2008
From: adam at therobots.org (Adam Lowry)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:49:37 -0700
Subject: [portland] Google I/O: Guido talk on Python, Django & App Engine
Message-ID: <485AC661.5030401@therobots.org>

Slides and video:

"Rapid Development with Python, Django, and Google App Engine
Guido van Rossum (Google)

Learn how to create great web applications quickly on Google App Engine using
the Django web framework and the Python language. Google App Engine lets you
host complete, scalable web applications written in Python with minimal fuss.
This tutorial assumes basic familiarity with Python but definitely no advanced
Python knowlege; Django experience is optional. You will learn how to use the
Django web framework with the datastore API provided by Google App Engine, and
how to get the most mileage out of the combination. You will also see how to
use Django best practices like unit testing when developing for Google App
Engine."

http://sites.google.com/site/io/rapid-development-with-python-django-and-google-app-engine

From igal at pragmaticraft.com  Fri Jun 20 00:31:50 2008
From: igal at pragmaticraft.com (Igal Koshevoy)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:31:50 -0700
Subject: [portland] Reddit is open sourced, built with Python, Pylons,
	SQLAlchemy, etc
Message-ID: <485ADE56.6040503@pragmaticraft.com>

Interested in seeing the code for a large Pylons app? You're in luck, 
Reddit open sourced their app earlier this week:
* ANNOUNCEMENT: http://blog.reddit.com/2008/06/reddit-goes-open-source.html
* SITE: http://code.reddit.com/

-igal

From Ron at FascinatingElectronics.com  Fri Jun 20 20:40:11 2008
From: Ron at FascinatingElectronics.com (Ron Jackson)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:40:11 -0700
Subject: [portland] Request for Comments on Python USB CDC Library Code
Message-ID: <ed16a6df0806201140v1eb60a83qb3d71b19b6f76cd4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I am working on a series of devices that attach to a computer through
USB and show up as CDC (communications device class) ports. On Windows
they show up as legacy comm ports (COMx), though on Linux and OS-X
they show up as modem-type devices.

Because much of the usual serial library detritus doesn't apply, and
because there are USB issues that I want to handle elegantly (such as
USB suspends and device disconnects), I have written a Python library
specific to these devices. Actually, I've written the Windows version,
and a buddy of mine who is a Linux kernel hacker is writing the port
for Linux and OS-X.

As an example of using this library I created a simple terminal
emulation program.

All of this code works (or at least seems to). You can't run it anyway
without the target hardware, so I'm not asking for help debugging.

Python is a language with it's own style and idioms, and as I'll be
distributing this widely (I hope) I'd like to have this code display
good Python coding practice.

I've attached the code for uTerm.py and the feusb package files
__init__.py and feusb_win32.py. Yeah, it is kinda long. Sorry. Could I
get some suggestions from the group about how to improve this code?

Thanks for the help!

 -- Ron
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From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com  Sat Jun 28 03:24:07 2008
From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:24:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [portland] [Python] Python/Turbogears web applications programmer
	wanted (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0806271821180.23786@salmo.appl-ecosys.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
EC CARES at the University of Oregon is looking for a Python/Turbogears web
applications programmer - see link and position summary below. Since good
candidates for this position might not be following want ads (not many
python jobs listed), I'm posting this to open-source and related forums and
lists. I apologize for cross-posting to the euglug and itpro forum lists -
some of you may have seen this announcement many times.

-------------

Full position announcement at: 
<http://hr.uoregon.edu/jobs/classified.php?id=2848>

In an eggshell:

Python/Turbogears Web Applications Programmer
Full-time academic year position
Salary range: $2819 - $4404 per month ( $16.26 - $25.41 per hour)

Work location: EC CARES Building, University of Oregon, 299 E 18th Ave,
Eugene OR

Early Intervention (EI) and Early Childhood Special Education (ECSE) are
state and federally funded programs that provide services for children with
developmental delays. All counties in Oregon have EI/ECSE programs, and most
use case management and forms processing software developed at EC CARES (the
EI/ECSE provider for Lane County). This is a new position responsible for
the technical design and programming of this software, and works closely
with the project manager who provides oversight and handles implementation
and user support.

The software includes case management features, forms subsystem,
immunization analysis, medicaid billing record management and reporting
tools. It is developed on Macintosh hardware and hosted on Mac OSX Server,
and designed for Firefox (any platform). The project uses mostly open source
software, and specifically these applications and frameworks:

Turbogears
Python 2.5
SQLObject
MySQL
OpenOffice.org
Prototype
PyYaml
Scriptaculous
XML
CSS
XHTML
Subversion
Mac OSX Server Tools

The following knowledge, skills and experience are necessary for this
position:

Expert Python and SQL programming skills, and proficiency with Javascript,
CSS, XHTML and web standards. Professional experience with open source
projects, ideally using Turbogears and MySQL. Experience with Mac OSX Server
or other server administration. Familiarity with version control. Skills
using on-line documentation for open source packages. Wide knowledge of
open-source software and ability to find, evaluate, learn and implement new
open source technologies.

If any questions about the position, please contact:

Dan Smellow
ECData admin
541.346.0819
dsmellow at uoregon.edu



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