From brad at allendev.com Tue Jun 5 07:15:05 2007 From: brad at allendev.com (Brad Allen) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 00:15:05 -0500 Subject: [portland] [python-advocacy] virtual servers for Python user groups In-Reply-To: <46520A00.9050808@python.org> References: <46520A00.9050808@python.org> Message-ID: At 5:07 PM -0400 5/21/07, David Goodger wrote: >[Brad Allen] >> What do you think of the idea of PSF funding hosted virtual servers >> for user groups? > >If well executed, it sounds like a good idea. >This is what someone needs to do: > >Write up a proposal, with full details: > >* who the server/service is for (both in the abstract and concrete, >e.g. names) >* what it consists of >* where & how the server/service will be physically hosted >* how will it be managed >* who will manage & maintain it (names) >* what URLs would it use (*.groups.python.org? groups.python.org/*? Other?) >* how much it will cost (initially and as it scales) > >Submit the proposal to the PSF Board of Directors (psf-board at python.org). Well, I have not submitted a proposal yet, but I will try to put something together in the near future if no one else has already begun work on this. However, it would help to have more discussion of the topic, and to find out if any user groups are really interested in this idea. It would probably be a good topic to bring up on the new user group organizers list, but I don't think that list has been formally announced yet and I am not sure how many people/groups have yet joined. I guess I will ping that list to see if anyone is there yet... From sdeibel at wingware.com Tue Jun 5 16:25:04 2007 From: sdeibel at wingware.com (Stephan Deibel) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:25:04 -0400 Subject: [portland] [python-advocacy] virtual servers for Python user groups In-Reply-To: References: <46520A00.9050808@python.org> Message-ID: <46657240.1060105@wingware.com> Brad Allen wrote: > It would probably be a good topic to bring up on the new user group organizers > list, but I don't think that list has been formally announced yet and I am not > sure how many people/groups have yet joined. I guess I will ping that list to > see if anyone is there yet... The mailing list should certainly be announced widely before starting discussion and I'm pretty sure neither of the two lists was announced. Was the users group blog also not announced beyond the advocacy and user group lists? FWIW, I've just linked them all into here: http://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups It's quite possible that more pages should be added to python.org for things like "Starting a Users Group" and only the listing of groups left in the wiki, but I just added the info there for now. This email seems rather cross-posted, but I'm leaving the reply list as is. Sorry for any duplicates! - Stephan From kirby.urner at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 18:56:49 2007 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:56:49 -0700 Subject: [portland] June 12 Meetup Message-ID: I may have to miss this given a longstanding prior appointment. Have a Hawthorne Best Bitter for me (my fave at Lucky Lab). Re local advocacy, PORPIG had guest speakers from neighboring domains a lot e.g. Ward Cunningham of Wiki fame and the man behind YAML, high in the Perl community but happy to talk Python. I think we should reach out to our open source peers whenever possible, helps counter the tendency of tourists to think it's about flame wars. I may have more good stories soon as the organizers behind Europython have offered to pay my way again, as they did to "Goth Town" (Gothenburg) in 2005. My paper that year was on Pythonic Math. This year I'm adding more front matter. Europython 2005: http://www.4dsolutions.net/presentations/urner_europython4.pdf Europython 2007: http://www.4dsolutions.net/presentations/urner_europython_2007.pdf I'm exploring finding an affordable place to stay in Vilnius for the duration. Something of a puzzle. Also on the subject of advocacy, I could see ranking ISPs on their Python friendliness. I got one of mine, Digital Space, to install Python 2.2 on my host (bunker.frogspace.net) awhile back, and now I'm asking for Python 2.5 as well, given I have a cgi script that uses string.Template (new in 2.4 http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/304004) This time I'm encountering foot dragging, I think because ISPs make their big bucks off no maintenance accounts and people like me, a minority, seem like pains in the butt, even though we're the ones who drive word of mouth, as recognized "computer gurus" in our respective communities (I've directed a lot of people to Digital Space over the years). Anyway, I'm not suggesting getting ugly or anything, just rewarding ISPs with strong Python (whatever that means) for their making our lives easier. It's more about recognizing excellence where we find it, than about any kind of stigmatizing. Finally, when a user group gets big, I think it's great to specialize around ongoing themes e.g. web framework versus relational database versus wx and/or qt, versus Zope/Plone (a subculture all its own). I'd like to work on my SQLAlchemy skills, plus I just had a meeting about doing more with X3D (successor to VRML) -- both areas I've worked in before, but there're lots of new wrinkles. Kirby From bradallen at mac.com Tue Jun 12 01:27:19 2007 From: bradallen at mac.com (Brad Allen) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:27:19 -0500 Subject: [portland] Meeting space at CubeSpace In-Reply-To: <245484587.1181583989549.JavaMail.nobody@web0.meetup.com> References: <245484587.1181583989549.JavaMail.nobody@web0.meetup.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Eva. I am forwarding your message to the Portland Pythoneers mailing list (I am no longer in Portland). >Hello Brad Allen, > >Eva Schweber sent you this message from Portland Pythoneers on >Meetup.com: >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Brad - I saw your posting and just wanted to let you know that we at >CubeSpace are giving free space to user groups like the Pythoneers. >Let me know if you are interested. >eva at CubeSpacePDX.com. >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >You can reply to this email as you would any other. Or, keep >your email address private by replying via the link below: >http://www.meetup.com/message/?recipientId=791706&anon=1 > >To see Eva Schweber's profile, go here: >http://www.meetup.com/members/791706/ > >If you feel that the message from Eva Schweber was inappropriate >(especially if it was spam!) please don't hesitate to forward this >email to >abuse at meetup.com > >You currently allow all members of Meetup.com to send you >messages. You can change this setting by visiting your account: >http://www.meetup.com/account/#prefs > > >-------------------------------------------------- > >Add *info at meetup.com* to your address book to receive all your >Meetup emails. > >To unsubscribe or update your Meetup email preferences, visit >your account page: >http://www.meetup.com/account/?tab=comm > >Questions? You can email customer service at: support at meetup.com > >Meetup Customer Service, 632 Broadway, New York, NY 10012 USA > >The unique user ID of the sender is user791706. From altis at semi-retired.com Tue Jun 12 05:29:39 2007 From: altis at semi-retired.com (Kevin Altis) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:29:39 -0700 Subject: [portland] line of sight chess (losc) SF cvs Message-ID: Since Jeff is working on doing sprints later this year I thought I would provide a link to the code that was done at the sprint two years ago in case anyone is interested. Since we were in a hurry and needed a place for the source code we just picked an existing project that some folks had access to: http://sourceforge.net/projects/remorse/ However, anyone can do an anonymous checkout of the code. To actually run it, you'll need Python, wxPython, and PythonCard, but I just checked and it does run. If you're interested, installation instructions are here: http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/installation.html The CVS info page for the code is at: http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=112231 or if you just want to browse the source in your browser, check out: http://remorse.cvs.sourceforge.net/remorse/losc/ The main file is loschess.py, so double-clicking that file or typing "python loschess.py" at your favorite command or shell prompt will start it up. ka --- Kevin Altis altis at semi-retired.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/portland/attachments/20070611/094f8a32/attachment.html From jek at discorporate.us Tue Jun 12 19:54:15 2007 From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:54:15 -0700 Subject: [portland] Reminder: Meeting tonight, 7pm, Lucky Lab Message-ID: <017954E06BD2BB6C989B9D34@[10.8.15.22]> Hi everyone, Just a quick reminder that we're meeting tonight, Tuesday June 12th at 7pm in the Lucky Lab on SE Hawthorne[1]. We don't have any presentations scheduled or any set agenda. Possible discussion topics include: presentations- topics wanted, topics offered, location?; planning regular agile code sprints; OSCamp and maybe OSCamp Python code sprints; and more chat about advocacy and getting virtual servers for Python user groups. There's also a rumor that there may be a few OLPC laptops on hand to play with. See you all down to the Lab tonight! -Jason [1] If you need directions or a map to the Lab, there's one on our Meetup site: http://python.meetup.com/183/ From freyley at gmail.com Wed Jun 13 19:00:40 2007 From: freyley at gmail.com (Jeff Schwaber) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:00:40 -0700 Subject: [portland] Last night's meetup and next month Message-ID: <8db4a1910706131000q722cdab5lcc0cf1161006f731@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, Last night's meetup was pretty cool, and y'all who came should definitely stick around. I found out what the issue with CubeSpace is. Despite the fact that pdx.rb and the PHP UG both used to meet on the 1st Tuesday at FreeGeek, they now are both meeting or proposing to meet on the 2nd Tuesday at CubeSpace. So, since they're jumping ship off the cream of the crop of Tuesdays, I say we pirate it! So: I propose we meet on the 1st Tuesday at CS. I suspect this to be the best day for the future, but I will note that the next 1st Tuesday is July 3rd and people may be out of town (I will be). Comments? Thoughts? Exigencies? In addition, let's get started on the 'who's giving a lightning talk?' question. Anyone want to stand up for 5 minutes? Jeff From jek at discorporate.us Wed Jun 13 20:22:38 2007 From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:22:38 -0700 Subject: [portland] DemoCamp Message-ID: <4FAF67F293F5DABCAB36776F@[10.8.15.22]> Hi folks, Here's some more info on "DemoCamp", one of the free, local un-conferences we talked about at last night's meeting. The next DemoCamp is going to be Monday, July 23rd at CubeSpace. (That's also the first day of OSCON.) >From http://barcamp.org/DemoCampPortland2 : "Presenters are given 10 minutes each, which includes introduction, demo, and Q&A time. After ten minutes with the mic, it's on to the next person. Do you have a web site or web application, tool, a piece of software, a set of scripts, new toy, hardware hacks that you want feedback on? Bring it. Show it. Share!" The last DemoCamp was a lot of fun. One of the rules is "no slides/no PowerPoint"- only working demos. It definitely keeps it very interesting and lively! Cheers, Jason From jek at discorporate.us Wed Jun 13 21:11:27 2007 From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:11:27 -0700 Subject: [portland] OSCamp 2007 Message-ID: Another free, local un-conference mentioned at the meeting: OSCamp, which will be held at and during the Open Source Convention (OSCON) this year. http://oscamp.org/ "OSCAMP 2007: Free as in Freedom! Portland July 25-26, 2007 at OSCON Please join us for OSCAMP 2007, a free (as in freedom) un-conference of, for, and by folks who are part of the Free/Libre/Open movement. A grassroots cooperative effort with O'Reilly, OSCAMP seeks to organize the fringe of activity that has grown up around OSCON during the last several years so that the entire shindig can rock even more! We are coming together to network, write code, have fun and learn about the cool things that are afoot in the movement. Bring your friends and join a good party that's growing even better! When: July 25-26, 2007 Where: Oregon Convention Center (part of OSCON) Format: OpenSpace Cost: Free" If you've already registered for OSCON, you're all set. If you're planning on attending OSCON sessions and haven't registered yet, we should hopefully have a Portland Python user group discount from O'Reilly soon- stay tuned! But you don't need to shell out for OSCON to attend OSCamp- the un-conference is free. Check out this tip thanks to Sam Keen: "The OSCON folks got back to me and we now have a registration code for OSCAMP: os07oscamp The codes purpose is to allow you register for OSCON for 'Exhibit Hall Only' with os07oscamp as the 'discount code'. That flags you as a OSCAMP attendee which gets you all that the Exhibit Hall pass gets + FREE LUNCH!" The free Exhibit Hall registration includes: * Entrance to the Exhibit Hall and all events held in the Exhibit Hall. * Admission to the Products & Services track. * Admission to Vendor Presentations held in the Exhibit Hall. * Access to OSCamp !!! * Access to BoFs, evening events, and community meetings. Cheers, Jason From jek at discorporate.us Wed Jun 13 21:18:56 2007 From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:18:56 -0700 Subject: [portland] Last night's meetup and next month In-Reply-To: <8db4a1910706131000q722cdab5lcc0cf1161006f731@mail.gmail.com> References: <8db4a1910706131000q722cdab5lcc0cf1161006f731@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21B483976E33CB5A04B60D3C@[10.8.15.22]> Jeff wrote: > > I found out what the issue with CubeSpace is. > > Despite the fact that pdx.rb and the PHP UG both used to meet on > the 1st Tuesday at FreeGeek, they now are both meeting or > proposing to meet on the 2nd Tuesday at CubeSpace. So, since > they're jumping ship off the cream of the crop of Tuesdays, I say > we pirate it! > > So: I propose we meet on the 1st Tuesday at CS. +1 for first Tuesdays. -jek From jek at discorporate.us Fri Jun 15 01:55:19 2007 From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:55:19 -0700 Subject: [portland] Last night's meetup and next month In-Reply-To: <21B483976E33CB5A04B60D3C@[10.8.15.22]> References: <8db4a1910706131000q722cdab5lcc0cf1161006f731@mail.gmail.com> <21B483976E33CB5A04B60D3C@[10.8.15.22]> Message-ID: <0B568B3DD2B5F47A6783E913@[10.8.15.22]> Jeff wrote: > > I found out what the issue with CubeSpace is. > > Despite the fact that pdx.rb and the PHP UG both used to meet on > the 1st Tuesday at FreeGeek, they now are both meeting or > proposing to meet on the 2nd Tuesday at CubeSpace. So, since > they're jumping ship off the cream of the crop of Tuesdays, I say > we pirate it! Latest update: Ruby has no plans to change dates from 1st Tuesdays, though PHP has made the jump to "our day". I asked Eva to pencil us in for our regular date (July 10th) so that we'd be sure to have a venue for the lightning talks. If we'd like to move to a 1st Tuesday schedule we can switch around, though my vote would be not to overlap with Ruby. For those who've been to CubeSpace (perhaps for BarCamp), we'll be in Agora, the big common room with the snacks and beverages. And speaking of penciled in, I've added some events of Pythonic interest to the Meetup calendar. If you have more events, send 'em in and I'll put them up. Conferences, classes, clinics, meetups, lectures, presentations, gatherings, whatever! http://python.meetup.com/183/calendar/ Cheers, Jason From altis at semi-retired.com Mon Jun 18 16:34:51 2007 From: altis at semi-retired.com (Kevin Altis) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:34:51 -0700 Subject: [portland] fwd: DorkbotPDX 0x00, June 24th, 5PM, Vendetta Message-ID: You never know, there might even be some Python at the event :) ka --- Figure some of you guys might be interested in this. Thien ----------------------------------------------------- A SERIOUSLY AMAZING EVENT JUNE 24TH AT VENDETTA 4306 NE WILLIAMS AT SKIDMORE keywords: geeks electricity art crafts blinky.lights dorkbot lo-fi technology robots hackers beer Please re-post this around your electronic neighborhood. Dorkbot's First Major Event! YES YES YES YES YES http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/dorkbotpdx_0x00 Come join DorkbotPDX, people doing strange things with electricity, for our inaugural event at Vendetta on June 24th at 5pm. If you're a hacker, painter, engineer or sculpture, musician or maker you'll fit right in. We bring together the tech and art worlds and enjoy it all over a pint of beer. We'll have presentations and performances by these fine folks: Jason Plumb is a software engineer by day...hardware hacker, reverse engineer, and experimental sound geek by night. He will provide an overview of the Essential Reality P5 glove controller and explain how it can be used with free and open-source software to create and manipulate sound. Jesse Fox studied music composition and physics at Bates College before getting a Master's Degree from the Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics at Stanford University. He will discuss his involvement with the League of Electronic Musical Urban Robots (LEMUR) and describe the detailed techincal recreation of George Antheil's "Ballet Mecanique", which includes xylophones, bass drums, tam-tam, pianists, electric bells, a siren, airplane propellers, and a volley of player pianos. Donald Delmar Davis, principal research anarchist at D3 Laboratories, will overview the deconstruction of Arduino and Wiring platforms to create artistic robot platforms with AVR microcontrollers. "AI Begins With Self Destruction" paint & copter create multi-media experiences of regurgitated and improvised media. By synthesizing live and pre-manipulated video feeds, field recordings and live instrumentation, Paint and Copter filter cultural noise and reprocess it into a new, mesmerizing thread. We will also have a brief open-mic of sorts referred to as Open Dork. This is a show and tell where you can have the mic for a few minutes to discuss your latest project, vent about frustrations trying to get your art grant or tell us about the intricacies of the color blue. It's your time to tell us what you think we need to hear. Festivities will begin at 5pm and you can expect them to last until they kick us out. Please bring yourself, your friends and any thing you'd like to share. http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/dorkbotpdx_0x00 _______________________________________________ dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber --- via pagdig at yahoogroups.com From jek at discorporate.us Fri Jun 22 00:02:47 2007 From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:02:47 -0700 Subject: [portland] Portland Python at OSCON Message-ID: <7346E6E26BCF33C7F14FE48D@[10.8.15.22]> Hi everyone, The kind folks at O'Reilly have provided us a special discount code for OSCON this year (attached below). There is a list of tutorials and sessions here: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2007/schedule/ Also, don't forget about *free* OSCamp on Wednesday and Thursday- and check the mail archives for a special reg code that includes free lunch. If there's demand, I may organize a SQLAlchemy presentation at OSCamp and it would be great to see more local Python too. Cheers, Jason Our OSCON invitation: --- The O'Reilly Open Source Convention (OSCON) is returning to Portland, Oregon. Once again we're offering a special discount to the locals-- User Group members in Oregon and Washington. With this "locals only" discount, your members get 20% off the registration price for OSCON. Use code "os07pdxug" when you register. To register, go to: O'Reilly Open Source Convention DoubleTree Hotel & Executive Meeting Center Portland - Lloyd Center 1000 NE Multnomah Portland, OR 97232 July 23-27, 2007 http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ From kirby.urner at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 01:52:47 2007 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:52:47 -0700 Subject: [portland] Portland Python at OSCON In-Reply-To: <7346E6E26BCF33C7F14FE48D@10.8.15.22> References: <7346E6E26BCF33C7F14FE48D@10.8.15.22> Message-ID: Portland Pythoneers wanting to meet up informally in advance of my sojourn to EuroPython, leaving July 5, are welcome to ping my email, maybe we could have a beer, I'd be up for randomly making the groups larger based on who has what scheduled. I like to make our formal meetings when I can but there's often a conflict (I'm already a member of several "meet often" groups). Also, I'm speaking at OSCON again this year, about CP4E, and wouldn't mind harvesting your thoughts, though my formal digital version is already pretty much in the can. Lastly, I'm getting one of those new Dell laptops with Ubuntu preinstalled and wouldn't mind showing it off once it ships, maybe learning a trick or two from already users (I use it on a few desktops but not very intensively -- anyone in PORPIG got Beryl running on Ubuntu?). http://youtube.com/results?search_query=ubuntu+beryl Kirby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/portland/attachments/20070621/e3a0d5e0/attachment.html From jek at discorporate.us Thu Jun 28 20:16:27 2007 From: jek at discorporate.us (jason kirtland) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:16:27 -0700 Subject: [portland] Ubuntu Live July 22-24 Message-ID: <59F10BA1FBD1191D1F1A96BE@[10.8.15.22]> Hi all, The O'Reilly folks have sent us a user group discount for the upcoming Ubuntu Live conference- a $100 pass, which looks like a really substantial discount. For those who aren't familiar, Ubuntu is a very user-friendly Linux distribution. Like many Linux distributions, it makes heavy use of Python in its toolset and production. Carl Karsten on python-advocacy spotted this bit on the Ubuntu site: "Ubuntu prefers the community to contribute work in Python. We develop our own tools and scripts in Python and it's much easier for us to integrate your work if you use the same platform." http://www.ubuntu.com/community/developerzone/bounties Use code "ubu07fvtw" when you register at: Cheers, Jason From mccredie at gmail.com Thu Jun 28 20:28:01 2007 From: mccredie at gmail.com (Matt McCredie) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:28:01 -0700 Subject: [portland] Ubuntu Live July 22-24 In-Reply-To: <59F10BA1FBD1191D1F1A96BE@10.8.15.22> References: <59F10BA1FBD1191D1F1A96BE@10.8.15.22> Message-ID: <9e95df10706281128m11a39259m527af30ec5b0794c@mail.gmail.com> This is awesome. I will probably take advantage of it. I use Ubuntu on my home machine. Now if only I could get into OSCON for $100 I'd be set. Matt On 6/28/07, jason kirtland wrote: > > Hi all, > > The O'Reilly folks have sent us a user group discount for the > upcoming Ubuntu Live conference- a $100 pass, which looks like a > really substantial discount. > > For those who aren't familiar, Ubuntu is a very user-friendly Linux > distribution. Like many Linux distributions, it makes heavy use of > Python in its toolset and production. Carl Karsten on > python-advocacy spotted this bit on the Ubuntu site: > > "Ubuntu prefers the community to contribute work in Python. We > develop our own tools and scripts in Python and it's much > easier for us to integrate your work if you use the same > platform." > http://www.ubuntu.com/community/developerzone/bounties > > Use code "ubu07fvtw" when you register at: > > > Cheers, > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > Portland mailing list > Portland at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/portland > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/portland/attachments/20070628/7c0f7e3e/attachment.htm