From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Jun  3 03:23:11 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:23:11 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Upcoming meeting...
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0806021823l2e2d6bb1u4ecd80c6a5d5aa2f@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have a topic they would like to present for the upcoming meeting?

It would be a good thing(tm) if we could get more people presenting
topics at the meeting.  While there may be some hesitation to speak in
front of the group, I would recommend it.  The people attending are
always appreciative and offer an easy, friendly venue to get some
experience presenting.  The topics don't need to be long and there
isn't a standard speaking format.  Personally, I would like to see a
bunch of shorter talks on a variety of topics -- but if you have got
something big, I'm all ears!  It is a simple as talking for 5 minutes
about a module, library or app that made your life easier, better,
richer and that has something to do with Python.

So if you used Python in the past 30 days, why don't you give a
presentation on what you have been doing, or pick a feature of Python
that you have been exploiting for fun and profit<g>.

Also, we are looking for a Group logo so bring your ideas, inkscape
svg, or doodles on the back of a bar napkin along with you.


I'd be happy to give a beginners talk on easy_install and PyPI.

http://www.omahapython.org/


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402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
blog: inre.dundeemt.com

From bkealey at mail.unomaha.edu  Tue Jun  3 03:26:50 2008
From: bkealey at mail.unomaha.edu (Burch Kealey)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:26:50 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Burch Kealey is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF516ABCFB.08945609-ON8625745D.0007F378-8625745D.0007F378@unomaha.edu>


I will be out of the office starting  05/28/2008 and will not return until
07/16/2008.

I will respond to your message when I return.   I am traveling and expect
to only have intermittent email access while I am gone.  Please be patient
and I will respond to your message when I am able.


From choman at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 14:46:18 2008
From: choman at gmail.com (Chad Homan)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:46:18 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Omaha Digest, Vol 16, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1212487207.2930.omaha@python.org>
References: <mailman.21.1212487207.2930.omaha@python.org>
Message-ID: <d74b4e610806030546o30b45226g650ad145d4b49d79@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

I regret I will not be able to attended the python meeting tomorrow
as  I am out of town on business.  The PyPi talk sounded interesting.
See ya all next month

Chad


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> Does anyone have a topic they would like to present for the upcoming
> meeting?
>
> It would be a good thing(tm) if we could get more people presenting
> topics at the meeting.  While there may be some hesitation to speak in
> front of the group, I would recommend it.  The people attending are
> always appreciative and offer an easy, friendly venue to get some
> experience presenting.  The topics don't need to be long and there
> isn't a standard speaking format.  Personally, I would like to see a
> bunch of shorter talks on a variety of topics -- but if you have got
> something big, I'm all ears!  It is a simple as talking for 5 minutes
> about a module, library or app that made your life easier, better,
> richer and that has something to do with Python.
>
> So if you used Python in the past 30 days, why don't you give a
> presentation on what you have been doing, or pick a feature of Python
> that you have been exploiting for fun and profit<g>.
>
> Also, we are looking for a Group logo so bring your ideas, inkscape
> svg, or doodles on the back of a bar napkin along with you.
>
>
> I'd be happy to give a beginners talk on easy_install and PyPI.
>
> http://www.omahapython.org/
>
>
> --
> Jeff Hinrichs
> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> 402.218.1473
> web: www.dundeemt.com
> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
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>
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> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:26:50 -0500
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From elicriffield at gmail.com  Wed Jun  4 18:58:45 2008
From: elicriffield at gmail.com (Eli Criffield)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:58:45 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Not going to make it
Message-ID: <18e3f33d0806040958p3f56ba4fhcf8808aaeff7876e@mail.gmail.com>

I won't be able to make it to tonight's meeting :(
I'm be able to make it to next months (as far as i know).

Eli

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Thu Jun  5 06:39:23 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:39:23 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Notes
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0806042139q35a57a2asc4dd69133ac23a0e@mail.gmail.com>

The notes and presentation are up on the site!

Hope to see you all next month.

-Jeff

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From freeav8r at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  7 23:12:59 2008
From: freeav8r at yahoo.com (freeav8r)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:12:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [omaha] Unicode to &#
Message-ID: <227861.69556.qm@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

When you type in a form on a web page, any non ascii characters get converted to their &#; equivalent.  As an example,, the capital D with a horizontal line gets converted to &#272.

Is there a python module out there that will do this for unicode characters with no ascii equivalent?




      

From mharriger at gmail.com  Sun Jun  8 05:07:13 2008
From: mharriger at gmail.com (Matt Harriger)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 22:07:13 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Unicode to &
In-Reply-To: <227861.69556.qm@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <227861.69556.qm@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1eaa8ee20806072007t57d92fdbm52af33a7c964ad0d@mail.gmail.com>

ord(uchar) (where uchar is a unicode string of length 1) will return the
unicode codepoint for the given char, so ord(?) returns 272. "&#" +
str(ord(uchar)) would give you the full HTML entity representation for that
character.

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 4:12 PM, freeav8r <freeav8r at yahoo.com> wrote:

> When you type in a form on a web page, any non ascii characters get
> converted to their &#; equivalent.  As an example,, the capital D with a
> horizontal line gets converted to &#272.
>
> Is there a python module out there that will do this for unicode characters
> with no ascii equivalent?
>
>
>
>
>
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Sun Jun  8 19:08:18 2008
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:08:18 -0500
Subject: [omaha] String Concatenation
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080806081008v12e96dedlf5d756a514ba7e43@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/7/08, Matt Harriger <mharriger at gmail.com> wrote:
>  On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 4:12 PM, freeav8r <freeav8r at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  > When you type in a form on a web page, any non ascii characters get
>  > converted to their &#; equivalent.  As an example,, the capital D with a
>  > horizontal line gets converted to &#272.
>  >
>  > Is there a python module out there that will do this for unicode characters
>  > with no ascii equivalent?
>
> ord(uchar) (where uchar is a unicode string of length 1) will return the
>  unicode codepoint for the given char, so ord(?) returns 272. "&#" +
>  str(ord(uchar)) would give you the full HTML entity representation for that
>  character.

One of my first real python programs was incredibly slow because I
used a lot of string concatenation. (Since strings are immutable in
python changing them is slow)

Now, whenever possible, I use the equiv of:
  d = ["hello", "world"]
  s = ' '.join(d)

Is doing what Matt H suggested above (i.e. s = a + b + c) the slow
kind of concatenation or is this fast since it's not actually
modifying a string (i.e. s += b)?

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Mon Jun  9 06:10:31 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 23:10:31 -0500
Subject: [omaha] String Concatenation
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080806081008v12e96dedlf5d756a514ba7e43@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080806081008v12e96dedlf5d756a514ba7e43@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0806082110m2270044ek5a24609724dce184@mail.gmail.com>

2008/6/8 Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org>:
> On 6/7/08, Matt Harriger <mharriger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 4:12 PM, freeav8r <freeav8r at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>  > When you type in a form on a web page, any non ascii characters get
>>  > converted to their &#; equivalent.  As an example,, the capital D with a
>>  > horizontal line gets converted to &#272.
>>  >
>>  > Is there a python module out there that will do this for unicode characters
>>  > with no ascii equivalent?
>>
>> ord(uchar) (where uchar is a unicode string of length 1) will return the
>>  unicode codepoint for the given char, so ord(?) returns 272. "&#" +
>>  str(ord(uchar)) would give you the full HTML entity representation for that
>>  character.
>
> One of my first real python programs was incredibly slow because I
> used a lot of string concatenation. (Since strings are immutable in
> python changing them is slow)
>
> Now, whenever possible, I use the equiv of:
>  d = ["hello", "world"]
>  s = ' '.join(d)
>
> Is doing what Matt H suggested above (i.e. s = a + b + c) the slow
> kind of concatenation or is this fast since it's not actually
> modifying a string (i.e. s += b)?
Actually, recent version of Python(2.5.x) have been optimized, so that
the use of 'foo' + 'bar' is on par with ''.join('foo','bar')

see http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips#head-bcf69f4e2cacc9683c2f9a1f401e891cac50506f

-Jeff

From dwblas at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 19:31:36 2008
From: dwblas at gmail.com (David Blaschke)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:31:36 -0700
Subject: [omaha] Omaha Digest, Vol 16, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1213005611.29550.omaha@python.org>
References: <mailman.19.1213005611.29550.omaha@python.org>
Message-ID: <7e69a0400806111031s75b91ce9g640c5fdf2e7f86ac@mail.gmail.com>

Supposedly, the  fastest method is to use
a= "a"
b="b"
s = "%s %s" % (a, b,)
print s
s = "%s %s" % (s, b,)
print s
because it reverts to the underlying C code, but I don't use concatenation
much, so there isn't enough of a difference.

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> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:08:18 -0500
> From: "Matthew Nuzum" <newz at bearfruit.org>
> Subject: [omaha] String Concatenation
> To: "Omaha Python Users Group" <omaha at python.org>
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2
>
> On 6/7/08, Matt Harriger <mharriger at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 4:12 PM, freeav8r <freeav8r at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >  > When you type in a form on a web page, any non ascii characters get
> >  > converted to their &#; equivalent.  As an example,, the capital D with
> a
> >  > horizontal line gets converted to &#272.
> >  >
> >  > Is there a python module out there that will do this for unicode
> characters
> >  > with no ascii equivalent?
> >
> > ord(uchar) (where uchar is a unicode string of length 1) will return the
> >  unicode codepoint for the given char, so ord(?) returns 272. "&#" +
> >  str(ord(uchar)) would give you the full HTML entity representation for
> that
> >  character.
>
> One of my first real python programs was incredibly slow because I
> used a lot of string concatenation. (Since strings are immutable in
> python changing them is slow)
>
> Now, whenever possible, I use the equiv of:
>   d = ["hello", "world"]
>   s = ' '.join(d)
>
> Is doing what Matt H suggested above (i.e. s = a + b + c) the slow
> kind of concatenation or is this fast since it's not actually
> modifying a string (i.e. s += b)?
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 23:10:31 -0500
> From: "Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T" <jeffh at dundeemt.com>
> Subject: Re: [omaha] String Concatenation
> To: "Omaha Python Users Group" <omaha at python.org>
> Message-ID:
>         <5aaed53f0806082110m2270044ek5a24609724dce184 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2
>
> 2008/6/8 Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org>:
> > On 6/7/08, Matt Harriger <mharriger at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>  On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 4:12 PM, freeav8r <freeav8r at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>  > When you type in a form on a web page, any non ascii characters get
> >>  > converted to their &#; equivalent.  As an example,, the capital D
> with a
> >>  > horizontal line gets converted to &#272.
> >>  >
> >>  > Is there a python module out there that will do this for unicode
> characters
> >>  > with no ascii equivalent?
> >>
> >> ord(uchar) (where uchar is a unicode string of length 1) will return the
> >>  unicode codepoint for the given char, so ord(?) returns 272. "&#" +
> >>  str(ord(uchar)) would give you the full HTML entity representation for
> that
> >>  character.
> >
> > One of my first real python programs was incredibly slow because I
> > used a lot of string concatenation. (Since strings are immutable in
> > python changing them is slow)
> >
> > Now, whenever possible, I use the equiv of:
> >  d = ["hello", "world"]
> >  s = ' '.join(d)
> >
> > Is doing what Matt H suggested above (i.e. s = a + b + c) the slow
> > kind of concatenation or is this fast since it's not actually
> > modifying a string (i.e. s += b)?
> Actually, recent version of Python(2.5.x) have been optimized, so that
> the use of 'foo' + 'bar' is on par with ''.join('foo','bar')
>
> see
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips#head-bcf69f4e2cacc9683c2f9a1f401e891cac50506f
>
> -Jeff
>
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>
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From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Jun 17 13:50:03 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:50:03 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Python code_swarm
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0806170450s47aacd2ct53b5286e0090ed4b@mail.gmail.com>

A UC Davis student wrote a visualization tool, called code_swarm, for
commits to a project.  The visualization results in a movie of sorts
that shows commits, committer and file type.

Here is a link to the Python code_swarm: http://www.vimeo.com/1093745



-- 
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jeffh at dundeemt.com
web: www.dundeemt.com
blog: inre.dundeemt.com

From choman at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 15:22:02 2008
From: choman at gmail.com (Chad Homan)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:22:02 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Hey all
Message-ID: <d74b4e610806170622k6def0be7x71b5745804392aab@mail.gmail.com>

The geek in me is telling me to tell you all that firefox 3.0 is available
for download
at ~ 10am  PDT.

-- 
Chad, CISSP

From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Jun 17 21:49:57 2008
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:49:57 -0400
Subject: [omaha] BootCampArama Early Bird Registration Reminder
Message-ID: <48581565.8040308@unc.edu>

Just a reminder, we're at the two week warning on early bird 
registration for PyCamp:

http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/2008/

Registration is now open for:

PyCamp: Python Boot Camp, August 4 - 8

Plone Boot Camp: Customizing Plone, July 28 - August 1

Advanced Plone Boot Camp: Plone 3 Techniques, August 4 - 7

All of these take place on the campus of the University of North 
Carolina at Chapel Hill in state of the art high tech classrooms, with 
free mass transit, low-cost accommodations with free wireless, and 
convenient dining options.

Plone Boot Camp is taught by Joel Burton, twice chair of the Plone 
Foundation. Joel has logged more the 200 days at the head of Plone 
classrooms on four continents. See plonebootcamps.com for dozens of 
testimonials from Joel's students.

PyCamp is taught by Chris Calloway, facilitator for TriZPUG and 
application analyst for the Southeast Coastal Ocean Observing System. 
Chris has developed PyCamp for over 1500 hours on behalf of Python user 
groups. Early bird registration runs through June 30. So register today!

PyCamp is TriZPUG's Python Boot Camp, which takes a programmer familiar 
with basic programming concepts to the status of Python developer with 
one week of training. If you have previous scripting or programming 
experience and want to step into Python programming as quickly and 
painlessly as possible, this boot camp is for you. PyCamp is also the 
perfect follow-on to Plone Boot Camp: Customizing Plone the previous week.

At Plone Boot Camp: Customizing Plone you will learn the essentials you 
need to build your Plone site and deploy it. This course is the most 
popular in the Plone world--for a good reason: it teaches you practical 
skills in a friendly, hands-on format. This bootcamp is aimed at:
     * people with HTML or web design experience
     * people with some or no Python experience
     * people with some or no Zope/Plone experience
It covers using Plone, customizing, and deploying Plone sites.

At Advanced Plone Boot Camp: Plone 3 Techniques you will learn to build 
a site using the best practices of Plone 3 as well as advance your 
skills in scripting and developing for Plone. The course covers the new 
technologies in Plone 3.0 and 3.1 intended for site integrators and 
developers: our new portlet infrastructure, viewlets, versioning, and a 
friendly introduction to Zope 3 component architecture. Now, updated for 
Plone 3.1! The course is intended for people who have experience with 
the basics of Plone site development and HTML/CSS. It will cover what 
you need to know to take advantage of these new technologies in Plone 3.

For more information contact: info at trizpug.org

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599




From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Wed Jun 18 18:03:16 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:03:16 -0500
Subject: [omaha] ADV: Job Opening at local company
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0806180903u1d3b67f6l97719df7abc8ffa7@mail.gmail.com>

There is a position open at the company where I work.  If you are
interested in working at a place that uses lots of open source
including a substantial amount of Python you should check out the
listing over on Career Link,
http://careerlink.com/3/4/3/9/po/000014f.htm

-jeff
-- 
Jeff Hinrichs
jeffh at dundeemt.com

From jay at jays.net  Mon Jun 23 15:06:10 2008
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:06:10 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Pygame newb
Message-ID: <A7C28701-3E37-4AF4-A620-A6A0259F4F72@jays.net>

Has anyone played with Pygame?

    http://www.pygame.org/news.html

I saw the Apress book at YAPC last week in Chicago and was intrigued.

I tried to try in out this morning, but I can't get pygame and its  
dependencies installed on my Mac OS X 10.4. (Several install methods  
attempted and failed.)

In theory Pygame should be pretty cool...?

j


From newz at bearfruit.org  Mon Jun 23 16:04:38 2008
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:04:38 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Pygame newb
In-Reply-To: <A7C28701-3E37-4AF4-A620-A6A0259F4F72@jays.net>
References: <A7C28701-3E37-4AF4-A620-A6A0259F4F72@jays.net>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080806230704g58cf917fi7fd6529b534fef6f@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:
> Has anyone played with Pygame?

It's very cool. I used it recently to create a UI for an arduino
project I did. Also I'm going to use it to teach a summer class to a
few local (Des Moines) high schoolers that want to learn to program.

It makes the simple things remarkably simple and is pretty intuitive.

> I tried to try in out this morning, but I can't get pygame and its
> dependencies installed on my Mac OS X 10.4. (Several install methods
> attempted and failed.)

I don't know how dependencies are handled in Mac OS X. Maybe tell what
kind of error messages you get and someone will know how to help. I've
heard recently fink causes problem with Python modules and should be
avoided (saw this on the python-imaging mailing list). Could that
apply here?

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode

From brady.cox at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 16:54:25 2008
From: brady.cox at gmail.com (Brady Cox)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:54:25 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Pygame newb
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080806230704g58cf917fi7fd6529b534fef6f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A7C28701-3E37-4AF4-A620-A6A0259F4F72@jays.net>
	<f3c0b4080806230704g58cf917fi7fd6529b534fef6f@mail.gmail.com>
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I know a couple of guys who have played around with it.  They were able to
get a decently functional game together in a few hours.

Then they decided it wasn't that great and never made any levels for it.
:-P

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:
> > Has anyone played with Pygame?
>
> It's very cool. I used it recently to create a UI for an arduino
> project I did. Also I'm going to use it to teach a summer class to a
> few local (Des Moines) high schoolers that want to learn to program.
>
> It makes the simple things remarkably simple and is pretty intuitive.
>
> > I tried to try in out this morning, but I can't get pygame and its
> > dependencies installed on my Mac OS X 10.4. (Several install methods
> > attempted and failed.)
>
> I don't know how dependencies are handled in Mac OS X. Maybe tell what
> kind of error messages you get and someone will know how to help. I've
> heard recently fink causes problem with Python modules and should be
> avoided (saw this on the python-imaging mailing list). Could that
> apply here?
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode
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From brady.cox at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 16:54:50 2008
From: brady.cox at gmail.com (Brady Cox)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:54:50 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Pygame newb
In-Reply-To: <17340af50806230754j5af9b9e6je8f9e428f314c6a8@mail.gmail.com>
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	<f3c0b4080806230704g58cf917fi7fd6529b534fef6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<17340af50806230754j5af9b9e6je8f9e428f314c6a8@mail.gmail.com>
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I meant the game itself... not PyGame.

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Brady Cox <brady.cox at gmail.com> wrote:

> I know a couple of guys who have played around with it.  They were able to
> get a decently functional game together in a few hours.
>
> Then they decided it wasn't that great and never made any levels for it.
> :-P
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:
>> > Has anyone played with Pygame?
>>
>> It's very cool. I used it recently to create a UI for an arduino
>> project I did. Also I'm going to use it to teach a summer class to a
>> few local (Des Moines) high schoolers that want to learn to program.
>>
>> It makes the simple things remarkably simple and is pretty intuitive.
>>
>> > I tried to try in out this morning, but I can't get pygame and its
>> > dependencies installed on my Mac OS X 10.4. (Several install methods
>> > attempted and failed.)
>>
>> I don't know how dependencies are handled in Mac OS X. Maybe tell what
>> kind of error messages you get and someone will know how to help. I've
>> heard recently fink causes problem with Python modules and should be
>> avoided (saw this on the python-imaging mailing list). Could that
>> apply here?
>>
>> --
>> Matthew Nuzum
>> newz2000 on freenode
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>
>

From jay at jays.net  Mon Jun 23 17:19:06 2008
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:19:06 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Pygame newb
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References: <A7C28701-3E37-4AF4-A620-A6A0259F4F72@jays.net>
	<f3c0b4080806230704g58cf917fi7fd6529b534fef6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2960B42D-A98F-4871-9B30-D98426931BBA@jays.net>

On Jun 23, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> I don't know how dependencies are handled in Mac OS X. Maybe tell what
> kind of error messages you get and someone will know how to help. I've
> heard recently fink causes problem with Python modules and should be
> avoided (saw this on the python-imaging mailing list). Could that
> apply here?

Ya... I guess I don't care enough (yet?) to chase all the failures  
deeply enough down the various rabbit holes.

I'd love to come to a meeting where someone showed off Pygame,  
though. That would be wicked cool.  :)

It'd be fun to re-invent this wheel:

    Desktop Tower Defense
    http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/Game.asp

j



From mike at hostetlerhome.com  Mon Jun 23 17:56:58 2008
From: mike at hostetlerhome.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:56:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [omaha] Pygame newb
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Message-ID: <50008.69.58.249.133.1214236618.squirrel@email.powweb.com>



Jay Hannah wrote:
[snip]
> I tried to try in out this
morning, but I can't get pygame and its
> dependencies installed
on my Mac OS X 10.4. (Several install methods
> attempted and
failed.)

When I got my Mac, a trusted friend told me to stay
away from Fink.? I've been using MacPorts with few complaints, and it
does have a port in MacPorts. 

> In theory Pygame should be
pretty cool...?
>
Yep, should be cool.? Some of the
games made in PyGame are certainly cool. :)

From jay at jays.net  Mon Jun 23 20:05:18 2008
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:05:18 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Pygame newb
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References: <A7C28701-3E37-4AF4-A620-A6A0259F4F72@jays.net>
	<50008.69.58.249.133.1214236618.squirrel@email.powweb.com>
Message-ID: <63119880-B83B-4E40-8F85-CFB1FAD11E9A@jays.net>

On Jun 23, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Mike Hostetler wrote:
> When I got my Mac, a trusted friend told me to stay
> away from Fink.  I've been using MacPorts with few complaints, and it
> does have a port in MacPorts.

Yup. That's one of the methods I tried. The oh-so-handy installer  
said it had installed everything successfully, yet python still  
couldn't import pygame.

No big whoop. My Mac OS X is out of date anyway. Apparently Mac OS X  
10.5 has the Objective-C stuff already in Python by default, so I'm  
not really in the mood for an OS X 10.4 cage match to the death.   :)

Cluelessly yours,

j


From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Fri Jun 27 05:34:18 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:34:18 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Python magazine Update
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0806262034l6650655k7574d3a187300966@mail.gmail.com>

I submitted the list to Doug and he said the person in charge of the
program will be activating the subscriptions in a day or so and that
"each person will receive an email when the subscriptions are
activated."



-- 
Jeff Hinrichs
Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
jeffh at dundeemt.com
402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
blog: inre.dundeemt.com

From mike at hostetlerhome.com  Mon Jun 30 04:41:13 2008
From: mike at hostetlerhome.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:41:13 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Django Talk
Message-ID: <EDB224B3-87F9-4D0D-AAD5-2315153E42B1@hostetlerhome.com>

I'm giving my Django talk to the Omaha Dynamic Language Group on  
Tuesday at 7pm.  It will be basically the same as the talk I gave to  
this group a few months ago, only I'm going to compare a little with  
Ruby on Rails because there are a lot of Rails users in that group  
and I know a bit more about Rails than when I gave my last talk (in  
short: I still like Django better)

See the site below for more details:
http://odynug.blainebuxton.com/

Mike Hostetler
mike at hostetlerhome.com
http://mike.hostetlerhome.com