[Neuroimaging] Site Discussion

Thu Aug 27 01:06:11 CEST 2015

Hey Eleftherios,

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Eleftherios Garyfallidis <
garyfallidis at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you go back in the thread you will see that you have neglected many
> peoples suggestion that there is no reason
> to use non-pythonic tools for this task. So, you are basically wasting
> Vanessa's time and ignoring other peoples expertise
> on web development.
>

I don't think that I ignored anyone's suggestions (for example:
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/neuroimaging/2015-August/000257.html),
but I apologize if I neglected to respond in full to all the suggestions
that were made.

Vanessa apparently couldn't be stopped, even if I tried to :-)

> The Jekyll idea is by default unsuccessful even if it works. Too much of a
> hassle to move to ruby for the specific task.
> There is no win with Jekyll here. I hope you can prove me wrong.
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Ariel Rokem <arokem at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Ariel Rokem <arokem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Eleftherios Garyfallidis <
>>> garyfallidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So another push for Jekyll?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yep. And if that turns out to be unsuccessful - sphinx.
>>>
>>> Big Bada-boum!
>>>
>>
>> Sorry - unless you have any other suggestions on how to go about this
>> (apart from a hangout to discuss this)?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Ariel Rokem <arokem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Eleftherios,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Eleftherios Garyfallidis <
>>>>> garyfallidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Vanessa,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:20 PM, vanessa sochat <vsochat at stanford.edu
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eleftherios, it's good that you express concern because that means
>>>>>>> that you care about nipy, and we can work together to ensure that the
>>>>>>> vision is properly reflected in this site. It's typically not a straight
>>>>>>> path to converge on the right solution, and I think that it's ok we are
>>>>>>> needing to try different things. If it isn't too troubling to you, please
>>>>>>> let me implement what I have in mind, and then we can move forward with
>>>>>>> discussion on the points of content.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, be happy to prepare whatever you think will help the
>>>>>> discussion. Can I ask you to summarize quickly here the next steps of
>>>>>> development that you have in mind?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that question has been answered here:
>>>>> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/neuroimaging/2015-August/000380.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Eleftherios
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:09 PM, vanessa sochat <
>>>>>>> vsochat at stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Eleftherios,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A framework like Django is too heavy for a simple portal and blog,
>>>>>>>> and we want to stay away from making something substantial that requires
>>>>>>>> regular maintenance and care, and an actual server. We can achieve all the
>>>>>>>> functionality of comments / social media, etc by integrating a blogging
>>>>>>>> platform into a site that works on Github pages. Question b (sites
>>>>>>>> included) and c (organization vision) needs discussion from everyone, and
>>>>>>>> for the rest, here are my thoughts:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a) What the portal is about? We need to reach consensus. This is
>>>>>>>>> currently vague.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A simple portal that gives nipy a brand, links to its products,
>>>>>>>> and integrates some platform for us to easily write about it. If something
>>>>>>>> more substantial than that is desired, then we first need to resolve where
>>>>>>>> it will be hosted and who takes responsibility for its life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> c) How the website and e-mail lists/forums will benefit and
>>>>>>>>> promote the work and the vision of this organization.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the work - the website blog will afford all the things that
>>>>>>>> blogs afford: sharing ideas, examples, links, social media integration, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> d) Make some decisions on the technologies that we can use to
>>>>>>>>> support a, b, c.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, this is more about hosting and responsibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (b) is critical because for example I saw that you added in the
>>>>>>>>> website projects which are not currently under our
>>>>>>>>> github organization https://github.com/nipy. I think we need
>>>>>>>>> consensus to take such a decisions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You should consider all current content on the site as Lorem Ipsum
>>>>>>>> etc. I simply reproduced what is on the current site and did not make any
>>>>>>>> "decisions." As I said earlier, content and template come *after* getting
>>>>>>>> the site functioning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (c) is also much related to Matthew's e-mail for supporting or not
>>>>>>>>> Neurostars for answering questions about the NIPY
>>>>>>>>> projects. This information and whatever we decide must be
>>>>>>>>> highlighted clearly in the portal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lorem,.. ipsum...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:54 PM, vanessa sochat <
>>>>>>>>> vsochat at stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> exactly :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwzg7SYZKF0
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Ariel Rokem <arokem at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry - didn't see that one for some reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Vanessa Villamia Sochat <
>>>>>>>>>>> vsochat at stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought more about this on my walk - here is a reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>>> game plan! I will do the work to put together a solution that integrates
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ariel's original vision with ghpages, the parts of Jekyll that do work, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> a more non developer friendly integrated blog. I think this could meet all
>>>>>>>>>>>> of our goals and be a solution that better integrates social aspects of our
>>>>>>>>>>>> community - github just doesn't specialize in blogging but many services
>>>>>>>>>>>> do. If that does not work, then we can go to Sphinx. Boum!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bada-boum!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will send out an update likely during weekend time when I've
>>>>>>>>>>>> tested some things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vanessa
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Aug 26, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Matthew Brett <
>>>>>>>>>>>> matthew.brett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 4:10 PM, vanessa sochat <
>>>>>>>>>>>> vsochat at stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi Group,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Ben and I are having some discussion on the higher level
>>>>>>>>>>>> goals of the site,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> and want to bring everyone in. In summary, we want something
>>>>>>>>>>>> that is easy to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> contribute content to, and has continuous integration for
>>>>>>>>>>>> previewing
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> updates. I am wondering, what was wrong with the initial
>>>>>>>>>>>> look of the site?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Was it that sphinx is hard to update?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Actually, I think that sphinx is a very good option, and most
>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> > scientific Python sites use sphinx for their main pages.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > The particular template that we were using was a little dated
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> > ugly, but I bet that could be improved.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Most if not all developers are perfectly capable of building
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> > sphinx documentation locally to preview it, but we can also
>>>>>>>>>>>> do what
>>>>>>>>>>>> > other projects are doing, and build / publish the docs in some
>>>>>>>>>>>> > temporary place for each commit, using an entry in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> travis-ci
>>>>>>>>>>>> > matrix of jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > I think Ariel was particularly attracted to Jekyll / github
>>>>>>>>>>>> pages,
>>>>>>>>>>>> > because it is very easy to get a rendered version to look at
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>> > git push, and although that is generally desirable, I think
>>>>>>>>>>>> building /
>>>>>>>>>>>> > reviewing locally is at least as important.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > So - if it were entirely up to me - I would prefer we go back
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> > sphinx, on the basis that it is a very familiar workflow to
>>>>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Python developers.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Thanks very much for doing all this work by the way - it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>> > helpful, and I'm sorry that we are going round and round.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > See you,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Matthew
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Vanessa Villamia Sochat
>>>>>>>>>> Stanford University
>>>>>>>>>> (603) 321-0676
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>>>>>>>> Vanessa Villamia Sochat
>>>>>>>> Stanford University
>>>>>>>> (603) 321-0676
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Vanessa Villamia Sochat
>>>>>>> Stanford University
>>>>>>> (603) 321-0676
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