From martin.ostlund at cendio.se  Tue Jul 19 04:16:07 2022
From: martin.ostlund at cendio.se (=?UTF-8?Q?Martin_=c3=96stlund?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 10:16:07 +0200
Subject: [moin-user] Negating Automatically Generated Links stopped working
 (sort of)
Message-ID: <6fc546e7-915f-7374-b82b-1f27af7997a1@cendio.se>

Hello list,

Some months ago I was faced with a situation where I had to migrate moin 
1.9.10 of from an old rhel6 server to rhel8,

Since moin 1.9.10 requires python2 I installed moin (still v1.9.10) 
inside a docker container to keep things easily managed, and then 
restored the data and underlay folders, and wikiconfig.py as well.

Everything seemed to be running well and smooth, until a colleague 
noticed that negating automatically generated links by putting an ! in 
front of it didn't have the same behavior as before the migration. The 
link will indeed be negated, but it will also output the ! infront of 
it, which it didn't do before.

 From HelpOnLinking:
http://moinmo.in/HelpOnLinking

"To keep a word like PageName from automatically being turned into a 
link, you can suppress CamelCase linking by putting an exclamation mark 
(!) before the word, i.e. !PageName. This method will not interfere with 
most searches (the exception is certain quoted phrases and regular 
expressions)."

I'm not even sure where or how to start debugging this issue, any help 
and pointers are much appreciated.

With kind regards,
-- 
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From jean-philippe.guerard at xn--tigreray-i1a.org  Thu Jul 21 14:24:01 2022
From: jean-philippe.guerard at xn--tigreray-i1a.org (Jean-Philippe =?UTF-8?B?R3XDqXJhcmQ=?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2022 20:24:01 +0200
Subject: [moin-user] Negating Automatically Generated Links stopped
 working (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <6fc546e7-915f-7374-b82b-1f27af7997a1@cendio.se>
References: <6fc546e7-915f-7374-b82b-1f27af7997a1@cendio.se>
Message-ID: <20220721202401.54adaf38@tigreraye.home.arpa>

Le Tue, 19 Jul 2022 10:16:07 +0200, Martin ?stlund via moin-user <moin-user at python.org> a ?crit :
> Some months ago I was faced with a situation where I had to migrate
> moin 1.9.10 of from an old rhel6 server to rhel8,
> 
> Since moin 1.9.10 requires python2 I installed moin (still v1.9.10) 
> inside a docker container to keep things easily managed, and then 
> restored the data and underlay folders, and wikiconfig.py as well.
> 
> Everything seemed to be running well and smooth, until a colleague 
> noticed that negating automatically generated links by putting an !
> in front of it didn't have the same behavior as before the migration.
> The link will indeed be negated, but it will also output the !
> infront of it, which it didn't do before.
> 
>  From HelpOnLinking:
> http://moinmo.in/HelpOnLinking
> 
> "To keep a word like PageName from automatically being turned into a 
> link, you can suppress CamelCase linking by putting an exclamation
> mark (!) before the word, i.e. !PageName. This method will not
> interfere with most searches (the exception is certain quoted phrases
> and regular expressions)."
> 
> I'm not even sure where or how to start debugging this issue, any
> help and pointers are much appreciated.

Did you check the value of the bang_meta setting in your config or farm
config?

http://moinmo.in/HelpOnConfiguration#various

HTH.

-- 
Jean-Philippe Gu?rard
https://tigreray?.org

From martin.ostlund at cendio.se  Fri Jul 22 02:32:05 2022
From: martin.ostlund at cendio.se (=?UTF-8?Q?Martin_=c3=96stlund?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 08:32:05 +0200
Subject: [moin-user] Negating Automatically Generated Links stopped
 working (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <20220721202401.54adaf38@tigreraye.home.arpa>
References: <6fc546e7-915f-7374-b82b-1f27af7997a1@cendio.se>
 <20220721202401.54adaf38@tigreraye.home.arpa>
Message-ID: <6bf38092-b500-d6ee-4f44-03b2bdc2daf2@cendio.se>

On 7/21/22 20:24, Jean-Philippe Gu?rard wrote:
> Le Tue, 19 Jul 2022 10:16:07 +0200, Martin ?stlund via moin-user <moin-user at python.org> a ?crit :
>> Some months ago I was faced with a situation where I had to migrate
>> moin 1.9.10 of from an old rhel6 server to rhel8,
>>
>> Since moin 1.9.10 requires python2 I installed moin (still v1.9.10)
>> inside a docker container to keep things easily managed, and then
>> restored the data and underlay folders, and wikiconfig.py as well.
>>
>> Everything seemed to be running well and smooth, until a colleague
>> noticed that negating automatically generated links by putting an !
>> in front of it didn't have the same behavior as before the migration.
>> The link will indeed be negated, but it will also output the !
>> infront of it, which it didn't do before.
>>
>>   From HelpOnLinking:
>> http://moinmo.in/HelpOnLinking
>>
>> "To keep a word like PageName from automatically being turned into a
>> link, you can suppress CamelCase linking by putting an exclamation
>> mark (!) before the word, i.e. !PageName. This method will not
>> interfere with most searches (the exception is certain quoted phrases
>> and regular expressions)."
>>
>> I'm not even sure where or how to start debugging this issue, any
>> help and pointers are much appreciated.
> 
> Did you check the value of the bang_meta setting in your config or farm
> config?
> 
> http://moinmo.in/HelpOnConfiguration#various
> 
> HTH.
> 
Greetings Jean-Philippe,

Thank you for pointing that out to me, I was unaware of that setting.
bang_meta was not defined in wikiconfig.py, so it should default to True.

I also tried defining it without any difference.

Moin is running in a venv using pypy & uwsgi and is built using this 
image https://codeberg.org/wombelix/moinmoin-pypy2-container

I've tried a few other Docker images which does not use venv and pypy, 
and it seems to be working in those..

Regards,
-- 
Martin ?stlund          Support
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From martin.ostlund at cendio.se  Fri Jul 22 08:32:17 2022
From: martin.ostlund at cendio.se (=?UTF-8?Q?Martin_=c3=96stlund?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:32:17 +0200
Subject: [moin-user] Negating Automatically Generated Links stopped
 working (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <6bf38092-b500-d6ee-4f44-03b2bdc2daf2@cendio.se>
References: <6fc546e7-915f-7374-b82b-1f27af7997a1@cendio.se>
 <20220721202401.54adaf38@tigreraye.home.arpa>
 <6bf38092-b500-d6ee-4f44-03b2bdc2daf2@cendio.se>
Message-ID: <2ac01cf8-2000-c137-c319-ca0e1098f1c9@cendio.se>

On 7/22/22 08:32, Martin ?stlund via moin-user wrote:
> On 7/21/22 20:24, Jean-Philippe Gu?rard wrote:
>> Le Tue, 19 Jul 2022 10:16:07 +0200, Martin ?stlund via moin-user 
>> <moin-user at python.org> a ?crit :
>>> Some months ago I was faced with a situation where I had to migrate
>>> moin 1.9.10 of from an old rhel6 server to rhel8,
>>>
>>> Since moin 1.9.10 requires python2 I installed moin (still v1.9.10)
>>> inside a docker container to keep things easily managed, and then
>>> restored the data and underlay folders, and wikiconfig.py as well.
>>>
>>> Everything seemed to be running well and smooth, until a colleague
>>> noticed that negating automatically generated links by putting an !
>>> in front of it didn't have the same behavior as before the migration.
>>> The link will indeed be negated, but it will also output the !
>>> infront of it, which it didn't do before.
>>>
>>> ? From HelpOnLinking:
>>> http://moinmo.in/HelpOnLinking
>>>
>>> "To keep a word like PageName from automatically being turned into a
>>> link, you can suppress CamelCase linking by putting an exclamation
>>> mark (!) before the word, i.e. !PageName. This method will not
>>> interfere with most searches (the exception is certain quoted phrases
>>> and regular expressions)."
>>>
>>> I'm not even sure where or how to start debugging this issue, any
>>> help and pointers are much appreciated.
>>
>> Did you check the value of the bang_meta setting in your config or farm
>> config?
>>
>> http://moinmo.in/HelpOnConfiguration#various
>>
>> HTH.
>>
> Greetings Jean-Philippe,
> 
> Thank you for pointing that out to me, I was unaware of that setting.
> bang_meta was not defined in wikiconfig.py, so it should default to True.
> 
> I also tried defining it without any difference.
> 
> Moin is running in a venv using pypy & uwsgi and is built using this 
> image https://codeberg.org/wombelix/moinmoin-pypy2-container
> 
> I've tried a few other Docker images which does not use venv and pypy, 
> and it seems to be working in those..
> 
> Regards,

After some more testing I've found that it works good with CPython and 
not-so-good with Pypy. I've created an issue for it:

https://github.com/moinwiki/moin-1.9/issues/92

Kind regards,

-- 
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