From renato.pontefice at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 15:20:33 2021 From: renato.pontefice at gmail.com (Renato Pontefice) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 21:20:33 +0100 Subject: [moin-user] When MoinMoin 2 wick be released? Message-ID: I'm wondering when this will happen, I'm seeing a "big traffic" in the closed CSV problem Does anyone know more or less the date? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: firma.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 11870 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rbh at neohawk.org Sun Jan 24 14:12:04 2021 From: rbh at neohawk.org (Robert Hawkins) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 14:12:04 -0500 Subject: [moin-user] When MoinMoin 2 wick be released? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Related but a bigger question, and I apologize in advance for my ignorance because my questions may show it. I used moin many years ago and recently decided to create a wiki for a personal project so naturally reached for moin (no code repository or issue tracking required so trac is overkill). I noticed that moin is dependent on python2 which I recently discovered reached its end of life last year (like I said it's been a while) Yesterday, it was announced that PIP no longer supports python2. Looking at the roadmap on moinmo.in it seems that moin2 (which appears to be a precursor to python3) support isn't complete. I am guessing therefore python3 is not on the radar or is the roadmap simply not updated and moin2 will be python3? And do you have an ETA? or should I simply be looking to use something else? (ruby? django?) Either way is fine, but I'd prefer to go Moin if possible (sorry, I just like it) Thanks in advance On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 3:20 PM Renato Pontefice wrote: > I'm wondering when this will happen, I'm seeing a "big traffic" in the > closed CSV problem > Does anyone know more or less the date? > > _______________________________________________ > moin-user mailing list > moin-user at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/moin-user > -- Rob Hawkins http://www.neohawk.org Twitter Facebook Instagram (440) 544-6490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: firma.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 11870 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paul at boddie.org.uk Sun Jan 24 14:29:50 2021 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 20:29:50 +0100 Subject: [moin-user] When MoinMoin 2 wick be released? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5926642.8Dh08GmZ0j@jason> On Sunday, 24 January 2021 20:12:04 CET Robert Hawkins wrote: > Related but a bigger question, and I apologize in advance for my ignorance > because my questions may show it. There's no need to apologise: I think that some of the answers to your questions are perhaps only obvious to those who are familiar with the development of this project. And for wider Python matters, as someone who kept up with Python core development and all the strategic deliberations for many years, I just cannot find the motivation to keep up with it all any more. > I used moin many years ago and recently decided to create a wiki for a > personal project so naturally reached for moin (no code repository or issue > tracking required so trac is overkill). > I noticed that moin is dependent on python2 which I recently discovered > reached its end of life last year (like I said it's been a while) Yes, Python 2 is officially unsupported by the core developers, although certain distributions (like Red Hat Enterprise Linux and various derivatives) will support it for a few more years. Interestingly, Debian uses Moin publicly, but I haven't looked into their approach to supporting Moin in their packaging system, which I guess would be of interest to them. > Yesterday, it was announced that PIP no longer supports python2. Looking at > the roadmap on moinmo.in it seems that moin2 (which appears to be a > precursor to python3) support isn't complete. I am guessing therefore > python3 is not on the radar or is the roadmap simply not updated and moin2 > will be python3? Support for Python 2 in pip is probably no longer there, given the constant nagging that the tool has been doing for quite some time (which is purely annoying given that anyone using pip with Python 2 these days is likely to be fully aware that Python 2 has been cast aside and will not need the scary message broadcast at them constantly). So, unfortunately, Python 2 is looking less viable as a deployment platform for any version of Moin, even if there are people still willing to use Python 2 (as I do for various projects). My understanding was that Moin 2 would be using Python 3, but you would have to get someone more interested in developing Moin 2 to say what the actual situation is. My recollection is that Moin 2 required a lot of third-party modules that were most conveniently installed using pip (and whichever virtual environment system that happens to be favoured at any given moment: virtualenv, venv, and so on). > And do you have an ETA? or should I simply be looking to use something > else? (ruby? django?) Either way is fine, but I'd prefer to go Moin > if possible (sorry, I just like it) I like Moin, too, although deploying it becomes less attractive due to the maintenance burden: handling registration and spam attempts, dealing with software breakage, and so on. Paul From rbh at neohawk.org Sun Jan 24 14:40:45 2021 From: rbh at neohawk.org (Robert Hawkins) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 14:40:45 -0500 Subject: [moin-user] When MoinMoin 2 wick be released? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: nvm, I think I found what I'm looking for on read-the-docs.io. I'll give moin2 a try and see how it goes. It's a new site so I don't have to worry about migrating content. On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 2:12 PM Robert Hawkins wrote: > Related but a bigger question, and I apologize in advance for my ignorance > because my questions may show it. > > I used moin many years ago and recently decided to create a wiki for a > personal project so naturally reached for moin (no code repository or issue > tracking required so trac is overkill). > I noticed that moin is dependent on python2 which I recently discovered > reached its end of life last year (like I said it's been a while) > Yesterday, it was announced that PIP no longer supports python2. Looking at > the roadmap on moinmo.in it seems that moin2 (which appears to be a > precursor to python3) support isn't complete. I am guessing therefore > python3 is not on the radar or is the roadmap simply not updated and moin2 > will be python3? > > And do you have an ETA? or should I simply be looking to use something > else? (ruby? django?) Either way is fine, but I'd prefer to go Moin > if possible (sorry, I just like it) > > Thanks in advance > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 3:20 PM Renato Pontefice < > renato.pontefice at gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm wondering when this will happen, I'm seeing a "big traffic" in the >> closed CSV problem >> Does anyone know more or less the date? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> moin-user mailing list >> moin-user at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/moin-user >> > > > -- > Rob Hawkins > http://www.neohawk.org > Twitter > Facebook > Instagram > (440) 544-6490 > -- Rob Hawkins http://www.neohawk.org Twitter Facebook Instagram (440) 544-6490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: firma.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 11870 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rbh at neohawk.org Sun Jan 24 14:45:22 2021 From: rbh at neohawk.org (Robert Hawkins) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 14:45:22 -0500 Subject: [moin-user] When MoinMoin 2 wick be released? In-Reply-To: <5926642.8Dh08GmZ0j@jason> References: <5926642.8Dh08GmZ0j@jason> Message-ID: Thanks Paul, I found the info I was looking for on moin20-readthedocs.io Moin2 does support phython3 although I could only install it via git, PIP did not work for me. I am now working through what is documented there: https://moin-20.readthedocs.io/en/latest/admin/install.html It kinda looks like the moinmo.in site just is outdated because there it seemed to imply moin2 then python3 support. Clearly that is not the case anymore so that's cool. On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 2:36 PM Paul Boddie wrote: > On Sunday, 24 January 2021 20:12:04 CET Robert Hawkins wrote: > > Related but a bigger question, and I apologize in advance for my > ignorance > > because my questions may show it. > > There's no need to apologise: I think that some of the answers to your > questions are perhaps only obvious to those who are familiar with the > development of this project. And for wider Python matters, as someone who > kept > up with Python core development and all the strategic deliberations for > many > years, I just cannot find the motivation to keep up with it all any more. > > > I used moin many years ago and recently decided to create a wiki for a > > personal project so naturally reached for moin (no code repository or > issue > > tracking required so trac is overkill). > > I noticed that moin is dependent on python2 which I recently discovered > > reached its end of life last year (like I said it's been a while) > > Yes, Python 2 is officially unsupported by the core developers, although > certain distributions (like Red Hat Enterprise Linux and various > derivatives) > will support it for a few more years. Interestingly, Debian uses Moin > publicly, but I haven't looked into their approach to supporting Moin in > their > packaging system, which I guess would be of interest to them. > > > Yesterday, it was announced that PIP no longer supports python2. Looking > at > > the roadmap on moinmo.in it seems that moin2 (which appears to be a > > precursor to python3) support isn't complete. I am guessing therefore > > python3 is not on the radar or is the roadmap simply not updated and > moin2 > > will be python3? > > Support for Python 2 in pip is probably no longer there, given the > constant > nagging that the tool has been doing for quite some time (which is purely > annoying given that anyone using pip with Python 2 these days is likely to > be > fully aware that Python 2 has been cast aside and will not need the scary > message broadcast at them constantly). So, unfortunately, Python 2 is > looking > less viable as a deployment platform for any version of Moin, even if > there > are people still willing to use Python 2 (as I do for various projects). > > My understanding was that Moin 2 would be using Python 3, but you would > have > to get someone more interested in developing Moin 2 to say what the actual > situation is. My recollection is that Moin 2 required a lot of third-party > modules that were most conveniently installed using pip (and whichever > virtual > environment system that happens to be favoured at any given moment: > virtualenv, venv, and so on). > > > And do you have an ETA? or should I simply be looking to use something > > else? (ruby? django?) Either way is fine, but I'd prefer to go Moin > > if possible (sorry, I just like it) > > I like Moin, too, although deploying it becomes less attractive due to the > maintenance burden: handling registration and spam attempts, dealing with > software breakage, and so on. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > moin-user mailing list > moin-user at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/moin-user > -- Rob Hawkins http://www.neohawk.org Twitter Facebook Instagram (440) 544-6490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: