From jfl at robinlea.com  Sun Mar  1 05:05:41 2009
From: jfl at robinlea.com (John Francis Lee)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:05:41 +0700
Subject: [Moin-user]  installation troubles
Message-ID: <49AA5DF5.6070406@robinlea.com>

Hello,

I have followed the instructions at
   http://master18.moinmo.in/MoinMoin/InstallDocs

Today when I go to
   http://ws0.robinlea.com/moinmoin

I get :

<quote>
  --> -->
ConfigurationError

data_dir "data" does not exist, or has incorrect ownership or permissions.

Make sure the directory and the subdirectory "pages" are owned by the 
web server and are readable, writable and executable by the web server 
user and group.

It is recommended to use absolute paths and not relative paths. Check 
also the spelling of the directory name.

Error in your configuration file 
"/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MoinMoin/config/multiconfig.py" around 
line 189.

     * Show debugging information

Traceback

A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of function 
calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred.

    1.

       /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MoinMoin/request/request_cgi.py 
in __init__ (self=<MoinMoin.request.request_cgi.Request object at 
0xb7e7bbcc>, properties={})
          1. 27
          2. 28 self._setup_vars_from_std_env(os.environ)
          3. 29 RequestBase.__init__(self, properties)
          4. 30
          5. 31 except Exception, err:
           * global RequestBase = <class 'MoinMoin.request.RequestBase'>
           * RequestBase.__init__ = <unbound method RequestBase.__init__>
           * self = <MoinMoin.request.request_cgi.Request object at 
0xb7e7bbcc>
           * properties = {}
    2.

       /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MoinMoin/request/__init__.py in 
__init__ (self=<MoinMoin.request.request_cgi.Request object at 
0xb7e7bbcc>, properties={}, given_config=None)
          1. 164 self.__dict__.update(properties)
          2. 165 try:
          3. 166 self._load_multi_cfg(given_config)
          4. 167 except error.NoConfigMatchedError:
          5. 168 self.makeForbidden(404, 'No wiki configuration matching 
the URL found!\r\n')
           * self = <MoinMoin.request.request_cgi.Request object at 
0xb7e7bbcc>
           * self._load_multi_cfg = <bound method 
Request._load_multi_cfg of <MoinMo...equest.request_cgi.Request object 
at 0xb7e7bbcc>>
           * given_config = None
    3.

       /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MoinMoin/request/__init__.py in 
_load_multi_cfg (self=<MoinMoin.request.request_cgi.Request object at 
0xb7e7bbcc>, given_config=None)
          1. 360 if given_config is None:
          2. 361 self.clock.start('load_multi_cfg')
          3. 362 self.cfg = multiconfig.getConfig(self.url)
          4. 363 self.clock.stop('load_multi_cfg')
          5. 364 else:
           * self = <MoinMoin.request.request_cgi.Request object at 
0xb7e7bbcc>
           * self.cfg undefined
           * global multiconfig = <module 'MoinMoin.config.multiconfig' 
from '/usr...5/site-packages/MoinMoin/config/multiconfig.pyc'>
           * multiconfig.getConfig = <function getConfig at 0x9c29f7c>
           * self.url = 'ws0.robinlea.com/moinmoin'
    4.

       /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MoinMoin/config/multiconfig.py 
in getConfig (url='ws0.robinlea.com/moinmoin')
          1. 189 cfg = _config_cache[cfgName]
          2. 190 except KeyError:
          3. 191 cfg = _makeConfig(cfgName)
          4. 192 cfg = _config_cache.setdefault(cfgName, cfg)
          5. 193 return cfg
           * cfg undefined
           * global _makeConfig = <function _makeConfig at 0x9c29f0c>
           * cfgName = 'wikiconfig'
    5.

       /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MoinMoin/config/multiconfig.py 
in _makeConfig (name='wikiconfig')
          1. 121 module, mtime = _importConfigModule(name)
          2. 122 configClass = getattr(module, 'Config')
          3. 123 cfg = configClass(name)
          4. 124 cfg.cfg_mtime = max(mtime, _farmconfig_mtime)
          5. 125 logging.info("using wiki config: %s" % 
os.path.abspath(module.__file__))
           * cfg undefined
           * configClass = <class 'wikiconfig.Config'>
           * name = 'wikiconfig'
    6.

       /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MoinMoin/config/multiconfig.py 
in __init__ (self=<wikiconfig.Config object at 0x9c27f0c>, 
siteid='wikiconfig')
          1. 268 self.cache.ua_spiders = self.ua_spiders and 
re.compile(self.ua_spiders, re.IGNORECASE)
          2. 269
          3. 270 self._check_directories()
          4. 271
          5. 272 if not isinstance(self.superuser, list):
           * self = <wikiconfig.Config object at 0x9c27f0c>
           * self._check_directories = <bound method 
Config._check_directories of <wikiconfig.Config object at 0x9c27f0c>>
    7.

       /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MoinMoin/config/multiconfig.py 
in _check_directories (self=<wikiconfig.Config object at 0x9c27f0c>)
          1. 557 also the spelling of the directory name.
          2. 558 """ % {'attr': attr, 'path': path, }
          3. 559 raise error.ConfigurationError(msg)
          4. 560
          5. 561 def _loadPluginModule(self):
           * global error = <module 'MoinMoin.error' from 
'/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MoinMoin/error.pyc'>
           * error.ConfigurationError = <class 
'MoinMoin.error.ConfigurationError'>
           * msg = '\ndata_dir "data" does not exist, or has 
incorrec.... Check\nalso the spelling of the directory name.\n'

ConfigurationError

data_dir "data" does not exist, or has incorrect ownership or permissions.

Make sure the directory and the subdirectory "pages" are owned by the 
web server and are readable, writable and executable by the web server 
user and group.

It is recommended to use absolute paths and not relative paths. Check 
also the spelling of the directory name.

     * args = ()
     * exceptions = <bound method ConfigurationError.exceptions of 
ConfigurationError()>
     * innerException = (<type 'exceptions.KeyError'>, 
KeyError('wikiconfig',), <traceback object at 0x9c2efa4>)
     * message = '\ndata_dir "data" does not exist, or has incorrec.... 
Check\nalso the spelling of the directory name.\n'

Traceback

A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of function 
calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred.

    1.

       /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MoinMoin/config/multiconfig.py 
in getConfig (url='ws0.robinlea.com/moinmoin')
          1. 187 cfgName = _getConfigName(url)
          2. 188 try:
          3. 189 cfg = _config_cache[cfgName]
          4. 190 except KeyError:
          5. 191 cfg = _makeConfig(cfgName)
           * cfg undefined
           * global _config_cache = {}
           * cfgName = 'wikiconfig'

KeyError

'wikiconfig'

     * args = ('wikiconfig',)
     * message = 'wikiconfig'

System Details

     * Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:21:18 +0000
     * Platform: Linux ws0 2.6.27-11-generic #1 SMP Thu Jan 29 19:24:39 
UTC 2009 i686
     * Python: Python 2.5.2 (/usr/bin/python)
     * MoinMoin: Release 1.8.2 (release)
</quote>


But the permissions on the 'data_dir' data look ok to me:

jfl at ws0:~/www/robinlea.com$ grep www /etc/passwd /etc/group
/etc/passwd:www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/sh
/etc/group:www-data:x:33:

fl at ws0:~/www/robinlea.com$ ls -ld moinmoin/
drwxrwxr-x 5 www-data www-data 4096 2009-03-01 16:15 moinmoin/

jfl at ws0:~/www/robinlea.com$ ls -l moinmoin/
total 24
drwxr-x--- 2 www-data www-data 4096 2009-02-28 18:36 cgi-bin
drwxrwx--- 7 www-data www-data 4096 2009-02-28 16:24 data
drwxrwx--- 3 www-data www-data 4096 2009-02-28 16:24 underlay
-rw-rw---- 1 www-data www-data 6765 2009-02-28 17:19 wikiconfig.py
-rw-rw---- 1 www-data www-data 2167 2009-03-01 16:07 wikiconfig.pyc

jfl at ws0:~/www/robinlea.com$ sudo ls -l moinmoin/data/
total 32
drwxrwx---  2 www-data www-data 4096 2009-02-28 16:24 cache
drwxrwx---  2 www-data www-data 4096 2009-02-28 16:24 dict
-rw-rw----  1 www-data www-data    0 2009-02-28 16:24 edit-log
-rw-rw----  1 www-data www-data    0 2009-02-28 16:24 event-log
-rw-rw----  1 www-data www-data 6145 2009-02-28 16:24 intermap.txt
-rw-rw----  1 www-data www-data   31 2009-02-28 16:24 meta
drwxrwx---  3 www-data www-data 4096 2009-02-28 16:24 pages
drwxrwx--- 12 www-data www-data 4096 2009-02-28 16:24 plugin
drwxrwx---  2 www-data www-data 4096 2009-02-28 16:24 user

jfl at ws0:~/www/robinlea.com$ sudo ls -l moinmoin/data/pages
total 4
drwxrwx--- 3 www-data www-data 4096 2009-02-28 16:24 BadContent


And now, in fact, my browser has reverted to delivering just the 
directory listing of ~/www/robinlea.com/moinmoin!

Any help given sincerely appreciated.

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agencies including the FBI, CIA, and NSA or by the Thai Ministry of 
Justice without notice or warrant or knowledge of sender or recipient."

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Thailand



From carballojose at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 10:49:39 2009
From: carballojose at gmail.com (Jose P. Carballo)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:49:39 -0600
Subject: [Moin-user] installation troubles
In-Reply-To: <49AA5DF5.6070406@robinlea.com>
References: <49AA5DF5.6070406@robinlea.com>
Message-ID: <2c77e1840903010749l3b2fc2e6g98a25bb93cac1d5b@mail.gmail.com>

I once had that problem, check the wikiconfig.py of your wiki instance and
see the line where it says:

data_dir = './data/'

and change it to:

data_dir = '../data/'

or even better like the recommendation says use

data_dir = '/path/to/mywiki/data/'

Same could happen with the data_underlay_dir configuration.

-- 
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From tw-public at gmx.de  Sun Mar  1 13:01:50 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:01:50 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] installation troubles
In-Reply-To: <49AA5DF5.6070406@robinlea.com>
References: <49AA5DF5.6070406@robinlea.com>
Message-ID: <1235930510.16655.13.camel@black.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

> data_dir "data" does not exist, or has incorrect ownership or permissions.

Please use absolute pathes. Using relative ones is asking for trouble.

> It is recommended to use absolute paths and not relative paths. Check 
> also the spelling of the directory name.

As you could also read there.

> But the permissions on the 'data_dir' data look ok to me:

Yes, they do. Assuming that moin runs as www-data.

> And now, in fact, my browser has reverted to delivering just the 
> directory listing of ~/www/robinlea.com/moinmoin!

That is a web server configuration problem.

> Any help given sincerely appreciated.

Try mod_wsgi. It is easier and faster.





From kai at aplteam.com  Fri Mar  6 05:17:52 2009
From: kai at aplteam.com (kai at aplteam.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:17:52 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] MoinMoin: advantages and disadvantages
Message-ID: <99f673360903060217x6e4a9d7bt3a6fee15395f3d1e@mail.gmail.com>

I am using MoinMoin now for almost three years. I had no knowledge
about IIS, Apache, CGI, FastSGI, WSGI, Python. As a consequence of
that I had to spend quite some time on how to get things working, but
in total it wasn't too bad, although it would have been much easier
would I have chosen Apache over IIS in the first place. Unfortunately
I struggled with IIS for almost two years before finally going for
Apache. Much easier to understand.

However, there is one big flaw: Documentation!
Very often I am struggling with MoinMoin's documentation. Quite often it's ...

* lacking basic information
* is not as clear as you would like it to be
* it's outdated

Searching via Google can also be painful because it is sometimes
difficult to find the right piece of information between all the stuff
related to very old versions.

Without Rick Vanderveers help pages I might have given up.

I think that this is an area where MoinMoin needs attention.

Kai



From kai at aplteam.com  Fri Mar  6 05:24:10 2009
From: kai at aplteam.com (kai at aplteam.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:24:10 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Last edited .... by ....
Message-ID: <99f673360903060224n67626a7r58c1ecfabb72caa3@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to prevent MoinMoin to change the "last edited by" guy
when the "Trivial" checkbox is ticked.

Background is that in particular Britons are very reluctant fixing
mistakes made by somebody else. They consider this rude behaviour.
Nonsense of course, but they can't help it. Neither can I.

It might be a bit easier if they are not listed as the last editor in
case of a minor fix.

Kai



From tw-public at gmx.de  Fri Mar  6 08:14:10 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:14:10 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Last edited .... by ....
In-Reply-To: <99f673360903060224n67626a7r58c1ecfabb72caa3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903060224n67626a7r58c1ecfabb72caa3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1236345250.16947.34.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 10:24 +0000, kai at aplteam.com wrote:
> I would like to prevent MoinMoin to change the "last edited by" guy
> when the "Trivial" checkbox is ticked.

I would suggest not doing that.

Problem is you do not have any control about whether a "trivial" change
really was trivial (therefore we e.g. do not hide trivial edits on RC
either).

If you want to do it, it would require some code change.

If the wiki is editable without login, I would rather suggest that
someone simply does not login if he/she does not want to get identified
somewhere.




From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Fri Mar  6 08:08:12 2009
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:08:12 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] moin 1.9 documentation
In-Reply-To: <99f673360903060217x6e4a9d7bt3a6fee15395f3d1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903060217x6e4a9d7bt3a6fee15395f3d1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1236344892.16947.29.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

> However, there is one big flaw: Documentation!

We know.

IMHO it was due to different reasons:
 * we tried to teach people web server configuration / administration
(apache, iis, lighttpd, ...) - this is simply too much and out of our
scope for official documentation of MoinMoin.
 * we tried to teach people server administration (by giving
line-by-line Linux or Windows commands) - this is also out of our scope,
see above.
 * we tried to support many different requests methods directly in moin.
this is also too much for a rather small development team - we couldn't
test all that and it was a pain to support. this is superceded by WSGI
in moin 1.9 and we'll get rid of everything beyond WSGI, it won't be our
business any more with moin 1.9, stuff like fastcgi, cgi, scgi, etc. is
done by flup middleware (which is not our code and has own docs).

Therefore, for moin 1.9 I killed about all old install docs and started
some different approach:

We have ONE super-easy and super-fast install method for people not
experienced with server stuff: Download, unpack, run, be done! There is
a slightly more verbose, but still rather short documentation for this
for Linux, Windows and Mac OS X.

We describe how moin is usable as a WSGI application for server admins,
python geeks and that kind of folk. For them, we ONLY describe moin (up
to the WSGI interface), not Linux, not Windows, not Mac OS X, not misc.
web servers (they should know already or get that knowledge at some
other place).

We have some links where you can find out more about (interfacing to)
WSGI applications.

See: http://master19.moinmo.in/InstallDocs (this is the complete thing,
it includes the different sections from subpages).

If someone wants to write more detailled docs about something, it will
be on the moinmo.in wiki site, maybe linked from http://moinmo.in/HowTo,
but not be part of the official documentation.





From tw-public at gmx.de  Fri Mar  6 08:58:30 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:58:30 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Last edited .... by ....
In-Reply-To: <1236345250.16947.34.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
References: <99f673360903060224n67626a7r58c1ecfabb72caa3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236345250.16947.34.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <1236347910.16947.37.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>


> > I would like to prevent MoinMoin to change the "last edited by" guy
> > when the "Trivial" checkbox is ticked.
> 
> I would suggest not doing that.

Because you can see every editor on info action's output anyway.

For just getting rid off the "last edited" display, you could to a
theme-based change.





From alessandro.ronchi at soasi.com  Sat Mar  7 06:20:52 2009
From: alessandro.ronchi at soasi.com (Alessandro Ronchi)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 12:20:52 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] problem with plesk install
Message-ID: <faf26db80903070320o58d57b10r6217003c7904c9c1@mail.gmail.com>

I've  installed moinmoin in a subdirectory of my plesk domain. I've
admin rights of the machine.

I've this problem: I cannot get any subpages, and logs returns this error:

script not found or unable to stat:
/var/www/vhosts/alessandroronchi.net/subdomains/wiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgiMyStartingPage,
referer: http://wiki.alessandroronchi.net/


it seems it tries to send the page name to the cgi.

Do you know how can I solve it?

Thanks in advance, best regards.
-- 
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Skype: aronchi
http://www.alessandroronchi.net

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From Dennis.Benzinger at gmx.net  Sat Mar  7 06:55:29 2009
From: Dennis.Benzinger at gmx.net (Dennis Benzinger)
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:55:29 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] FullSearch vs. FullSearchCached
Message-ID: <49B260B1.6030100@gmx.net>

Hi!

http://moinmo.in/HelpOnMacros says that the results of FullSearchCached
may not be up to date. When would that be the case?

Can the cache which is used by this macro be invalidated or updated
manually?


Dennis Benzinger



From alessandro.ronchi at soasi.com  Sat Mar  7 11:35:57 2009
From: alessandro.ronchi at soasi.com (Alessandro Ronchi)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:35:57 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] problem with plesk install
In-Reply-To: <faf26db80903070320o58d57b10r6217003c7904c9c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <faf26db80903070320o58d57b10r6217003c7904c9c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <faf26db80903070835g7c957da3u9d496a24ca129807@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Alessandro Ronchi
<alessandro.ronchi at soasi.com> wrote:
> I've ?installed moinmoin in a subdirectory of my plesk domain. I've
> admin rights of the machine.
>
> I've this problem: I cannot get any subpages, and logs returns this error:
>
> script not found or unable to stat:
> /var/www/vhosts/alessandroronchi.net/subdomains/wiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgiMyStartingPage,
> referer: http://wiki.alessandroronchi.net/

I solved my problem, using this vhost.conf:

Alias /moin_static182/
"/var/www/vhosts/alessandroronchi.net/subdomains/wiki/httpdocs/"
ScriptAlias / "/var/www/vhosts/alessandroronchi.net/subdomains/wiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/"

I need the last / if I want to use it on my root

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From mail at heavy.ch  Sat Mar  7 15:06:02 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:06:02 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] FullSearch vs. FullSearchCached
In-Reply-To: <49B260B1.6030100@gmx.net>
References: <49B260B1.6030100@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <49B2D3AA.8080400@heavy.ch>

Dennis Benzinger schrieb:
> Hi!
> 
> http://moinmo.in/HelpOnMacros says that the results of FullSearchCached
> may not be up to date. When would that be the case?
> 
> Can the cache which is used by this macro be invalidated or updated
> manually?

you can use the action "clean cache" (url looks like ?action=refresh).
How long the cache is used I do not know... I was reading something that
in 1.9 it could be adjust. don't know for sure!

> 
> 
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From duaw at gmx.de  Sun Mar  8 11:47:06 2009
From: duaw at gmx.de (Dr. Uwe Werner)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:47:06 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] automatism for names of generated pages
Message-ID: <49D0C6A7-2767-48A1-9016-B1F742DC5C2D@gmx.de>

Hello Fellow-MoinMoiners!

on a page in our wiki I include the NewPage macro. So far, so good.

However, what I really want is some automatism: The page to generate  
should be named "xyz-<unique-key>" where <unique-key> is either a  
simple sequence number (with preceeding zeros...) or whatever is  
suitable for humans (reflecting order, easy to understand).  I don't  
want the user to observe rules and query existing pages in order to  
provide that <unique.key> but I want it to have generated.

In fact, the user should only click a button to create a page with a  
prescribed name.

A randomly generated UUID is not what I have in mind.  I can have date/ 
time expanded but this looks not nice.

I doubt a sequence can be done with what Moin provides so far. Am I  
right?  Has someone solved this problem?  Do I have to customize this  
macro? (I doubt I can achieve that :-( )  How does one count and keep  
variables?

BTW Moin's "variables" are rather "constants".  Or is there a way to  
vary a variables usig a macro, a script or whatever - except typing it  
in the Dict?

Your answer & help is highly appreciated! Best Regards,

Uwe Werner



From tw-public at gmx.de  Mon Mar  9 06:49:50 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:49:50 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] automatism for names of generated pages
In-Reply-To: <49D0C6A7-2767-48A1-9016-B1F742DC5C2D@gmx.de>
References: <49D0C6A7-2767-48A1-9016-B1F742DC5C2D@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <1236595790.21134.5.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

> However, what I really want is some automatism: The page to generate  
> should be named "xyz-<unique-key>" where <unique-key> is either a  
> simple sequence number (with preceeding zeros...) or whatever is  
> suitable for humans (reflecting order, easy to understand).  I don't  
> want the user to observe rules and query existing pages in order to  
> provide that <unique.key> but I want it to have generated.

I am not sure something like that exists yet. I guess that needs some
special macro or action that checks the wiki page namespace for some
criteria, determines highest number present and then creates a page with
n+1.

Alternatively, using a timestamp yyyy-mm-dd-hh-mm-ss would also be
likely unique enough.

When done right and with subpages, MonthCalendar could even navigate
that stuff (day level only).

> I doubt a sequence can be done with what Moin provides so far. Am I  
> right?

Yes, we don't provide counters.

> Do I have to customize this  macro? (I doubt I can achieve that :-( )

Looks like. Heads up, Python is easy. :)

> How does one count and keep variables?

Just query what's already there in the namespace (pagelist).





From fpiat at klabs.be  Mon Mar  9 04:24:50 2009
From: fpiat at klabs.be (Frank Lin PIAT)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:24:50 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Last edited .... by .... => contributors
In-Reply-To: <99f673360903060224n67626a7r58c1ecfabb72caa3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903060224n67626a7r58c1ecfabb72caa3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1236587090.3266.966.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>

On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 10:24 +0000, kai at aplteam.com wrote:
> I would like to prevent MoinMoin to change the "last edited by" guy
> when the "Trivial" checkbox is ticked.

I have another question related to "last edited":
 - is it possible to hide the "by JohnDoe" part?
 - is it possible to replace it by "changelog" which
   would point to the ?action=info page?

The reasons is that some people really like to have their names at the
bottom of the pages, and I think the changelog gives better credits,
compared to "last edited by".

Thanks,

Franklin




From fpiat at klabs.be  Mon Mar  9 16:31:20 2009
From: fpiat at klabs.be (Frank Lin PIAT)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:31:20 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] https
In-Reply-To: <gnjhus$ku9$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <BAY111-W54DB1D27A492A294DD1F7D87B50@phx.gbl>
	<gnjhus$ku9$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1236630680.3266.973.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>

Hello,

On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 13:05 +0100, R.Bauer wrote:
> waqas ahmad schrieb:
> > 
> > I want to run my moinmoin url with https(for security reasons). How can i setup with SSL option. 
> > 
> > I am using Apache2.2.8 with mod_wsgi
> 
> configure mod_ssl on your apache server, see documentations on the
> apache manual.

If your wiki is available as both http and https, you might want to have
a look at http://moinmo.in/FranklinPiat/UsingHttps (still experimental).

Franklin




From duaw at gmx.de  Mon Mar  9 17:16:38 2009
From: duaw at gmx.de (Dr. Uwe Werner)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:16:38 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] automatism for names of generated pages
In-Reply-To: <1236595790.21134.5.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
References: <49D0C6A7-2767-48A1-9016-B1F742DC5C2D@gmx.de>
	<1236595790.21134.5.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <2E0F19C6-165E-4263-BED8-58E63E36A5E6@gmx.de>


Am 09.03.2009 um 11:49 schrieb Thomas Waldmann:

> Alternatively, using a timestamp yyyy-mm-dd-hh-mm-ss would also be
> likely unique enough.

Thanks for that hint.  Not as nice as a simple number but I'll go for  
it.

>
> When done right and with subpages, MonthCalendar could even navigate
> that stuff (day level only).
>
>> I doubt a sequence can be done with what Moin provides so far. Am I
>> right?
>
> Yes, we don't provide counters.
>
>> Do I have to customize this  macro? (I doubt I can achieve that :-( )
>
> Looks like. Heads up, Python is easy. :)
>

Major problem is Moin and how its different parts works...

>> How does one count and keep variables?
>
> Just query what's already there in the namespace (pagelist).

Ha! "GetVal" does not suffice.  I'd love to see  "SetVal"! And some  
math,
(plus one), concatenation, ...

Without a "SetVal" it remains constants, not variables.

Has someone done it?

Thanks again, Uwe

>
>
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From mail at heavy.ch  Mon Mar  9 17:27:08 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:27:08 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Last edited .... by .... => contributors
In-Reply-To: <1236587090.3266.966.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
References: <99f673360903060224n67626a7r58c1ecfabb72caa3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236587090.3266.966.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
Message-ID: <49B589AC.7070304@heavy.ch>

Frank Lin PIAT schrieb:
> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 10:24 +0000, kai at aplteam.com wrote:
>> I would like to prevent MoinMoin to change the "last edited by" guy
>> when the "Trivial" checkbox is ticked.
> 
> I have another question related to "last edited":
>  - is it possible to hide the "by JohnDoe" part?
>  - is it possible to replace it by "changelog" which
>    would point to the ?action=info page?
> 
> The reasons is that some people really like to have their names at the
> bottom of the pages, and I think the changelog gives better credits,
> compared to "last edited by".
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Franklin
> 

btw. everything is possible with moinmoin :-)

What you need is to create a own theme and start to modify the def
pageinfo (see here:
http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.8/file/716dcfb00e8e/MoinMoin/theme/__init__.py#l710
). so you can take the first edit of the page, remove the editor,
etcetera... just what you want.

A dump methode to hide the "pageinfo" would be to use css like
#pageinfo {
	display: none;
}

bye
Marcel






From fpiat at klabs.be  Mon Mar  9 18:25:09 2009
From: fpiat at klabs.be (Frank Lin PIAT)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:25:09 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Last edited .... by .... => contributors
In-Reply-To: <49B589AC.7070304@heavy.ch>
References: <99f673360903060224n67626a7r58c1ecfabb72caa3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236587090.3266.966.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
	<49B589AC.7070304@heavy.ch>
Message-ID: <1236637509.3266.977.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>

Hello,

On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 22:27 +0100, Mail at Heavy.ch wrote:
> Frank Lin PIAT schrieb:
> > On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 10:24 +0000, kai at aplteam.com wrote:
> >> I would like to prevent MoinMoin to change the "last edited by" guy
> >> when the "Trivial" checkbox is ticked.
> > 
> > I have another question related to "last edited":
> >  - is it possible to hide the "by JohnDoe" part?

> A dump methode to hide the "pageinfo" would be to use css like
> #pageinfo { display: none;}

That's a good idea.

Thanks,

Franklin




From mail at heavy.ch  Mon Mar  9 18:29:59 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:29:59 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] automatism for names of generated pages
In-Reply-To: <2E0F19C6-165E-4263-BED8-58E63E36A5E6@gmx.de>
References: <49D0C6A7-2767-48A1-9016-B1F742DC5C2D@gmx.de>	<1236595790.21134.5.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
	<2E0F19C6-165E-4263-BED8-58E63E36A5E6@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <49B59867.9070208@heavy.ch>

hi

>>> I doubt a sequence can be done with what Moin provides so far. Am I
>>> right?
>> Yes, we don't provide counters.
>>
>>> Do I have to customize this  macro? (I doubt I can achieve that :-( )
>> Looks like. Heads up, Python is easy. :)
>>
> 
> Major problem is Moin and how its different parts works...
> 

hmm. I'm a python newbee but if you would need to change something for
creating pages (e.g. macro NewPage). I would start to look into the
MoinMoin Source under "macro". then I would find a NewPage.py [1] file
and would copy this file into my own plugin dir and start to hack this
file...so I can use some date/random numbers for pagenames, etcetera...

it also looks that you're from a german speaking country... so maybe
read the guide about moinmoin api [2] and start to write your own code.
reading macros from other contributers helped me a lot to - at least -
get some understanding what's going on.. writing own macro without
copy/paste is a bit harder for a non-geek but also possible.

bye
marcel


[1]
http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.8/file/716dcfb00e8e/MoinMoin/macro/NewPage.py#l77
[2] http://moinmo.in/MoinAPI/Beispiele


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From kai at aplteam.com  Tue Mar 10 05:52:22 2009
From: kai at aplteam.com (kai at aplteam.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:52:22 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Notifications use wrong sender address
Message-ID: <99f673360903100252q729911dfva65505ea123df1da@mail.gmail.com>

Notifications always use this:

from	APL Wiki <aplwiki at aplteam.com>
to	APL Wiki <aplwiki at aplteam.com>

It worked well in the past, no idea when this changed.

Probably a bug?

Kai



From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Mar 10 13:02:06 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:02:06 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Last edited .... by .... => contributors
In-Reply-To: <1236587090.3266.966.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
References: <99f673360903060224n67626a7r58c1ecfabb72caa3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236587090.3266.966.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
Message-ID: <1236704526.15916.7.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>


> I have another question related to "last edited":
>  - is it possible to hide the "by JohnDoe" part?
>  - is it possible to replace it by "changelog" which
>    would point to the ?action=info page?

Isn't that a bit pointless if the "info" action link in the edit bar
does exactly the same thing?





From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Mar 10 13:07:10 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:07:10 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Notifications use wrong sender address
In-Reply-To: <99f673360903100252q729911dfva65505ea123df1da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903100252q729911dfva65505ea123df1da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1236704830.15916.12.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:52 +0000, kai at aplteam.com wrote:
> Notifications always use this:
> 
> from	APL Wiki <aplwiki at aplteam.com>
> to	APL Wiki <aplwiki at aplteam.com>
> 
> It worked well in the past, no idea when this changed.
> 
> Probably a bug?

No. Not everything that's different is a bug. :)

We use BCC for all recipients, so only the mail server will see them,
but not every recipient. That's for protecting privacy of your email
address.

Because we need to give SOME email address as "To:", we just use the
same as for "From:".

The nice thing for this method is that moin just sends ONE email, even
if there are 100 recipients. Thus, this is rather quick...





From kai at aplteam.com  Tue Mar 10 14:02:42 2009
From: kai at aplteam.com (kai at aplteam.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:02:42 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Category problem
Message-ID: <99f673360903101102l405e402ev29dbb772a299b5c4@mail.gmail.com>

I have a category

http://aplteam2.com/aplwiki/CategoryBaaLondon

There is a page

http://aplteam2.com/aplwiki/RunningBAAlondon

which belongs to that category but is not listed.

What's wrong here?!

Kai



From kai at aplteam.com  Wed Mar 11 05:39:11 2009
From: kai at aplteam.com (kai at aplteam.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:39:11 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Editor confused
Message-ID: <99f673360903110239k2daf0cf6m292b6906f87ea0ce@mail.gmail.com>

I was interested in copying a piece of CSS from the source of a page
which got deleted in the meantime. For that reason I ...

* displayed the page
* clicked "Info"
* Selected the proper (old) version
* Clicked "Edit Text"

But the editor does not show the selected version, is shows the most recent one.

Now you can argue how much sense it makes to edit an old version. In
fact it should not be possible to change an old version.

I am also aware that I can solve my task witht the "Raw Text" command.

All the same, it is confusing and seems wrong.

A better solution instantly came to my mind: with JavaScript enabled,
the button "Edit Text" should get inactive.

Kai



From kai at aplteam.com  Wed Mar 11 12:56:31 2009
From: kai at aplteam.com (kai at aplteam.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:56:31 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Wiki farm and FavIcon
Message-ID: <99f673360903110956k19527423k7fc9d9cda7ce8604@mail.gmail.com>

I've just converted from a single wiki to a wiki farm.

Almost everything works fine but the FavIcon: It's grabbed from the
shared htdocs directory, meaning that all my wikis share the same
FavIcon.

Is there a way to make every wiki using it's own FavIcon?

Kai



From mail at heavy.ch  Wed Mar 11 13:30:44 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:30:44 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Editor confused
In-Reply-To: <99f673360903110239k2daf0cf6m292b6906f87ea0ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903110239k2daf0cf6m292b6906f87ea0ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49B7F544.9080006@heavy.ch>

hi

kai at aplteam.com schrieb:
> I was interested in copying a piece of CSS from the source of a page
> which got deleted in the meantime. For that reason I ...
css - is normally not editable within wiki??!?!?!?!, but well you maybe
use this just for an example...
> 
> * displayed the page
> * clicked "Info"
> * Selected the proper (old) version
> * Clicked "Edit Text"
> 
> But the editor does not show the selected version, is shows the most recent one.

you have first to revert the old version and then you can edit....
editing directly an old version would give you a very "complicated"
version history :-)

> 
> Now you can argue how much sense it makes to edit an old version. In
> fact it should not be possible to change an old version.
> 
> I am also aware that I can solve my task witht the "Raw Text" command.
or use the diff's to see the changes
> 
> All the same, it is confusing and seems wrong.
> 
> A better solution instantly came to my mind: with JavaScript enabled,
> the button "Edit Text" should get inactive.
JavaScript is a "pain in the ass". What's happen if the users browser is
not support javascript or he has disabled it because of e.g. security
reason..


bye
Marcel



From mail at heavy.ch  Wed Mar 11 13:32:12 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:32:12 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Wiki farm and FavIcon
In-Reply-To: <99f673360903110956k19527423k7fc9d9cda7ce8604@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903110956k19527423k7fc9d9cda7ce8604@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49B7F59C.70901@heavy.ch>

hi there

kai at aplteam.com schrieb:
> I've just converted from a single wiki to a wiki farm.
> 
> Almost everything works fine but the FavIcon: It's grabbed from the
> shared htdocs directory, meaning that all my wikis share the same
> FavIcon.
> 
> Is there a way to make every wiki using it's own FavIcon?

normaly if you use apache, the static stuff is served from the apache
and not the moinmoin application. so you need to make some rewrite rules
 with your apache configuration. read the apache docs:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_rewrite.html

bye
Marcel




From kai at aplteam.com  Wed Mar 11 13:39:45 2009
From: kai at aplteam.com (kai at aplteam.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:39:45 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Editor confused
In-Reply-To: <49B7F544.9080006@heavy.ch>
References: <99f673360903110239k2daf0cf6m292b6906f87ea0ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B7F544.9080006@heavy.ch>
Message-ID: <99f673360903111039p1ee37baehc73f7787fd7bad70@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Marcel

> css - is normally not editable within wiki??!?!?!?!, but well you maybe
> use this just for an example...

It IS editable. You can add CSS rules to tablestyle, and you can
escape the MoinMoin parser altogether and specify CSS inside a tag.

> you have first to revert the old version and then you can edit....
> editing directly an old version would give you a very "complicated"
> version history :-)

You did not read my mail completely I dare say. That was not my point.

> JavaScript is a "pain in the ass".

Well, it's what make Web2.0 work.

> What's happen if the users browser is
> not support javascript or he has disabled it because of e.g. security
> reason..

A browser which does not support JavaScript? Really, I don't care.

I do not exactly like JavaScript, and I switch it off by default but
switch it on when I trust a site.

The worst scenario is that the user has to live with the situation as
it is right now with or without JavaScript.

Kai



From bradeyh at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 14:03:29 2009
From: bradeyh at gmail.com (Bradey Honsinger)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:03:29 -0700
Subject: [Moin-user] Wiki farm and FavIcon
In-Reply-To: <99f673360903110956k19527423k7fc9d9cda7ce8604@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903110956k19527423k7fc9d9cda7ce8604@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d89d5920903111103m42aa9b1akb7e6bfb52474c622@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:56 AM, kai at aplteam.com <kai at aplteam.com> wrote:
> I've just converted from a single wiki to a wiki farm.
>
> Almost everything works fine but the FavIcon: It's grabbed from the
> shared htdocs directory, meaning that all my wikis share the same
> FavIcon.
>
> Is there a way to make every wiki using it's own FavIcon?

Web browsers use http://<server>/favicon.ico unless instructed
otherwise, so unless your wikis use different domain names you can't
give them different favicons using Apache configuration. You can
specify the favicon inside the HTML using a <link> tag, though--I've
successfully done that on some wikis I manage. Set html_head inside
wikiconfig.py like this:

    # favicon support (for both IE and FF)
    html_head = u"""
    <!-- for IE compatibility: -->
    <link rel="shortcut icon"
        type="image/x-icon"
        href="/path/to/favicon.ico" />
    <!-- for FF, newer browsers -->
    <link rel="icon"
        type="image/jpeg"
        href="/path/to/favicon.png" />
    """

Firefox and IE use slightly different tags, and FF can use a PNG while
IE needs a .ico file.

  - Bradey



From mail at heavy.ch  Wed Mar 11 14:37:31 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:37:31 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Editor confused
In-Reply-To: <99f673360903111039p1ee37baehc73f7787fd7bad70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903110239k2daf0cf6m292b6906f87ea0ce@mail.gmail.com>	
	<49B7F544.9080006@heavy.ch>
	<99f673360903111039p1ee37baehc73f7787fd7bad70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49B804EB.3070600@heavy.ch>

hi

kai at aplteam.com schrieb:
 > You did not read my mail completely I dare say. That was not my point.
you right, I was too fast, that's come from reading multitasking e-mails
in different languages... in the end you don't understand anything :-(

also about your javascript button, it's maybe also possible to use some
moinmoin programming, because action=recal if you viewing an old page,
so moinmoin could maybe add the class disabled (like the same if a user
has no right to edit). but be honestly I do not care :-)

is your category problem still exist?

bye
Marcel







From kai at aplteam.com  Wed Mar 11 14:53:24 2009
From: kai at aplteam.com (kai at aplteam.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:53:24 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Editor confused
In-Reply-To: <49B804EB.3070600@heavy.ch>
References: <99f673360903110239k2daf0cf6m292b6906f87ea0ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B7F544.9080006@heavy.ch>
	<99f673360903111039p1ee37baehc73f7787fd7bad70@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B804EB.3070600@heavy.ch>
Message-ID: <99f673360903111153i52258410s18fbdf3f5ca8ce3a@mail.gmail.com>

> kai at aplteam.com schrieb:

schrieb? Deutsch?! Ahh, Schweiz! Gruess Dich Marcel!

> ?> You did not read my mail completely I dare say. That was not my point.
> you right, I was too fast, that's come from reading multitasking e-mails
> in different languages... in the end you don't understand anything :-(

Know whatymean...


> also about your javascript button, it's maybe also possible to use some
> moinmoin programming, because action=recal if you viewing an old page,
> so moinmoin could maybe add the class disabled (like the same if a user
> has no right to edit). but be honestly I do not care :-)

Having thought about it you're probably right. I mean, it was my fault
in the first place - there was no point to EDIT for copying a piece of
text.

> is your category problem still exist?

Yes, the big-shots didn't help so far.



From kai at aplteam.com  Wed Mar 11 15:05:49 2009
From: kai at aplteam.com (kai at aplteam.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:05:49 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Wiki farm and FavIcon
In-Reply-To: <8d89d5920903111103m42aa9b1akb7e6bfb52474c622@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903110956k19527423k7fc9d9cda7ce8604@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d89d5920903111103m42aa9b1akb7e6bfb52474c622@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99f673360903111205w4eea1dcem459737ee98d26577@mail.gmail.com>

Brilliant, thanks.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Bradey Honsinger <bradeyh at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:56 AM, kai at aplteam.com <kai at aplteam.com> wrote:
>> I've just converted from a single wiki to a wiki farm.
>>
>> Almost everything works fine but the FavIcon: It's grabbed from the
>> shared htdocs directory, meaning that all my wikis share the same
>> FavIcon.
>>
>> Is there a way to make every wiki using it's own FavIcon?
>
> Web browsers use http://<server>/favicon.ico unless instructed
> otherwise, so unless your wikis use different domain names you can't
> give them different favicons using Apache configuration. You can
> specify the favicon inside the HTML using a <link> tag, though--I've
> successfully done that on some wikis I manage. Set html_head inside
> wikiconfig.py like this:
>
> ? ?# favicon support (for both IE and FF)
> ? ?html_head = u"""
> ? ?<!-- for IE compatibility: -->
> ? ?<link rel="shortcut icon"
> ? ? ? ?type="image/x-icon"
> ? ? ? ?href="/path/to/favicon.ico" />
> ? ?<!-- for FF, newer browsers -->
> ? ?<link rel="icon"
> ? ? ? ?type="image/jpeg"
> ? ? ? ?href="/path/to/favicon.png" />
> ? ?"""
>
> Firefox and IE use slightly different tags, and FF can use a PNG while
> IE needs a .ico file.
>
> ?- Bradey
>



From mail at heavy.ch  Wed Mar 11 15:24:07 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:24:07 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Category problem
In-Reply-To: <99f673360903101102l405e402ev29dbb772a299b5c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903101102l405e402ev29dbb772a299b5c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49B80FD7.4090003@heavy.ch>

kai at aplteam.com schrieb:
> I have a category
> 
> http://aplteam2.com/aplwiki/CategoryBaaLondon
> 
> There is a page
> 
> http://aplteam2.com/aplwiki/RunningBAAlondon
> 
> which belongs to that category but is not listed.
> 
> What's wrong here?!
> 
> Kai
> 

I made the same test on my wiki:

http://www.wikiwiki.ch/CategoryBaaLondon
http://www.wikiwiki.ch/RunningBAAlondon

and everything seems to work correct.

I'm using xapian for search and in my farmwiki/wikiconfig the regex for
the category looks like: page_category_regex =
ur'(?P<all>Category(?P<key>\S+))'

soo maybe check your stuff clean the cache, etcetera.. don't know for sure.

bye
Marcel




> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Moin-user mailing list
> Moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/moin-user
> 




From bradeyh at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 16:06:37 2009
From: bradeyh at gmail.com (Bradey Honsinger)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:06:37 -0700
Subject: [Moin-user] Wiki farm and FavIcon
In-Reply-To: <8d89d5920903111103m42aa9b1akb7e6bfb52474c622@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903110956k19527423k7fc9d9cda7ce8604@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d89d5920903111103m42aa9b1akb7e6bfb52474c622@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d89d5920903111306ve6d8c2bj4171d98e53309cf9@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Bradey Honsinger <bradeyh at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:56 AM, kai at aplteam.com <kai at aplteam.com> wrote:
>> Is there a way to make every wiki using it's own FavIcon?
>
> Web browsers use http://<server>/favicon.ico unless instructed
> otherwise, so unless your wikis use different domain names you can't
> give them different favicons using Apache configuration. You can
> specify the favicon inside the HTML using a <link> tag, though--I've
> successfully done that on some wikis I manage. Set html_head inside
> wikiconfig.py like this:
>
> ? ?# favicon support (for both IE and FF)
> ? ?html_head = u"""
> ? ?<!-- for IE compatibility: -->
> ? ?<link rel="shortcut icon"
> ? ? ? ?type="image/x-icon"
> ? ? ? ?href="/path/to/favicon.ico" />
> ? ?<!-- for FF, newer browsers -->
> ? ?<link rel="icon"
> ? ? ? ?type="image/jpeg"
> ? ? ? ?href="/path/to/favicon.png" />
> ? ?"""
>
> Firefox and IE use slightly different tags, and FF can use a PNG while
> IE needs a .ico file.

FWIW, the same basic info is in HelpMiscellaneous:

http://moinmo.in/HelpMiscellaneous#Adding_a_favicon_to_your_wiki_setup

  - Bradey



From kai at aplteam.com  Thu Mar 12 09:51:42 2009
From: kai at aplteam.com (kai at aplteam.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:51:42 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Category problem
In-Reply-To: <49B80FD7.4090003@heavy.ch>
References: <99f673360903101102l405e402ev29dbb772a299b5c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B80FD7.4090003@heavy.ch>
Message-ID: <99f673360903120651k1b9b7d26p1d531445bf17034a@mail.gmail.com>

Marcel:

Thanks again - I used a different regEx, don't remember the source.
Seems to works so far, but not in this particular case.

Anyway, your expressions works.

Kai


On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Mail at Heavy.ch <mail at heavy.ch> wrote:
> kai at aplteam.com schrieb:
>> I have a category
>>
>> http://aplteam2.com/aplwiki/CategoryBaaLondon
>>
>> There is a page
>>
>> http://aplteam2.com/aplwiki/RunningBAAlondon
>>
>> which belongs to that category but is not listed.
>>
>> What's wrong here?!
>>
>> Kai
>>
>
> I made the same test on my wiki:
>
> http://www.wikiwiki.ch/CategoryBaaLondon
> http://www.wikiwiki.ch/RunningBAAlondon
>
> and everything seems to work correct.
>
> I'm using xapian for search and in my farmwiki/wikiconfig the regex for
> the category looks like: page_category_regex =
> ur'(?P<all>Category(?P<key>\S+))'
>
> soo maybe check your stuff clean the cache, etcetera.. don't know for sure.
>
> bye
> Marcel
>
>
>
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> Moin-user mailing list
>> Moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/moin-user
>>
>
>



From szybalski at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 14:13:26 2009
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:13:26 -0500
Subject: [Moin-user] gsoc and moinmoin
Message-ID: <804e5c70903121113o25db041g2dcbdc362988f1f2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
Is moinmoin participating in a gsoc?

Will one of the projects be a continuation of "storing moinmoin in a
distributed revision control". I am waiting for moinmoin to store its
files in bazaar. There was some work done on hq but it never made it
into mainstream. Would be nice to finalize it and allow moinmoin to
run with bzr and hq and maybe git.

Thanks,
Lucas




-- 
How to create python package?
http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/PythonPaste
DataHub - create a package that gets, parses, loads, visualizes data
http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/DataHub



From sjakub at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 15:01:55 2009
From: sjakub at gmail.com (Jakub Schmidtke)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:01:55 -0400
Subject: [Moin-user] gsoc and moinmoin
References: <804e5c70903121113o25db041g2dcbdc362988f1f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gpbm7v$267$1@ger.gmane.org>

Lukasz Szybalski wrote:

> Will one of the projects be a continuation of "storing moinmoin in a
> distributed revision control".

Probably OT, but what's the point of having wiki's data in distributed 
revision control system? I could understand using something like svn, but 
why distributed?






From dodecatheon at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 14:51:00 2009
From: dodecatheon at gmail.com (Ted Stern)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:51:00 -0700
Subject: [Moin-user] Last edited .... by .... => contributors
In-Reply-To: <1236704526.15916.7.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de> (Thomas
	Waldmann's message of "Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:02:06 +0100")
References: <99f673360903060224n67626a7r58c1ecfabb72caa3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236587090.3266.966.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
	<1236704526.15916.7.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <lspab7q378r.fsf@saturna.ca.boeing.com>

On 10 Mar 2009 10:02:06 -0700, Thomas Waldmann wrote:
>
>> I have another question related to "last edited":
>>  - is it possible to hide the "by JohnDoe" part?
>>  - is it possible to replace it by "changelog" which
>>    would point to the ?action=info page?
>
> Isn't that a bit pointless if the "info" action link in the edit bar
> does exactly the same thing?
>

Redundant is not equivalent to pointless :-).

Ted
-- 
 Frango ut patefaciam -- I break so that I may reveal



From rb.proj at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 07:51:59 2009
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:51:59 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] gsoc and moinmoin
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70903121113o25db041g2dcbdc362988f1f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70903121113o25db041g2dcbdc362988f1f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gpdhcv$ru8$1@ger.gmane.org>

Lukasz Szybalski schrieb:
> Hello,

Hi
> Is moinmoin participating in a gsoc?

It's to early to answer, see http://code.google.com/soc/
The accepting applications period has just started.

> 
> Will one of the projects be a continuation of "storing moinmoin in a
> distributed revision control". I am waiting for moinmoin to store its
> files in bazaar. There was some work done on hq but it never made it
> into mainstream. Would be nice to finalize it and allow moinmoin to
> run with bzr and hq and maybe git.

For some ideas/plans please look at

http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2009
http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2009/InitialProjectIdeas


cheers
Reimar




From bernd.bartmann at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 09:32:46 2009
From: bernd.bartmann at gmail.com (Bernd Bartmann)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:32:46 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Issue with SSPI auth
Message-ID: <6c18a4f0903130632g347cec37p4934c0e92892fe6e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

we have a working MoinMoin wiki where users are authenticated with
mod_auth_sspi against our AD domain.
This is working fine for several users. Now I added some more users to
our user group access page. Some of them always get the message that
they are not allowed to access the Wiki.

In my Apache logs I only see entries of the form
172.28.140.45 - p1add\\firstname.lastname [13/Mar/2009:14:20:58 +0100]
"GET /rd_wiki/AJN HTTP/1.1" 403 4149
but no reason why the access was denied.

My apache.conf section looks like this:

<Location /rd_wiki>
		SetHandler python-program
		PythonPath "['D:/moin/rd_wiki'] + sys.path"
		PythonHandler MoinMoin.request.request_modpython::Request.run
		AuthType SSPI
		AuthName "rd_wiki"
		Require valid-user
		SSPIAuth On
		SSPIAuthoritative On
		SSPIDomain p1add.radd.lan
		SSPIUsernameCase lower
		SSPIOfferBasic On
</Location>

Does anybody have an idea how to further debug the issue?

Thanks in advance!
Bernd.



From szybalski at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 09:57:44 2009
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:57:44 -0500
Subject: [Moin-user] gsoc and moinmoin
In-Reply-To: <gpbm7v$267$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <804e5c70903121113o25db041g2dcbdc362988f1f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<gpbm7v$267$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <804e5c70903130657t19d08933ie34e3a7394fa5118@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Jakub Schmidtke <sjakub at gmail.com> wrote:
> Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
>
>> Will one of the projects be a continuation of "storing moinmoin in a
>> distributed revision control".
>
> Probably OT, but what's the point of having wiki's data in distributed
> revision control system? I could understand using something like svn, but
> why distributed?


I've added gsoc idea "alternative backend part 2"
http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2009/InitialProjectIdeas



    *  The goal of this project is to fix the design issues that had
appear after creating the alternative backed in gsoc2008. Modify the
code so that it gets accepted into moinmoin trunk. Provide unit tests
for the 2 engines (bazaar and mercurial), perform a performance test
and modify code if required. Provide documentation on running moinmoin
with alternative backend and explain appropriate configuration options
in moinmoin that deal with change in backend. Provide sample merge
example from 2 different projects. Provide test sample and
documentation for successful deployment of alternative backend with
moinmoin with bazaar storage engine(link to bug)
    * Finish the data storage engine to support bazaar, hg, and
possibly git and svn if time permits.
    * The backend engine code is here: backend.py,
    * Current storage enginge for 1.8 is here 1.8 storage engine,
    * The description for the last gsoc and current status. Gsoc
2008,current status

Goal of this project is to supply alternative backend to existing flat
files. This backend will be based on Bazaar and Mercurial. Letting
DVCS store and revision data gives us few advantages:
    * storing revision data internally
    * atomic operations without permanent page locking on edit
    * easy data backup distribution (just clone it)
    * data synchronisation between multiple instances (branching and merging)
Such backend should also prove new storage API.

MoinMoin is a wiki software that enables users from all over the world
to collaborate, using just their browser.
That way you can work together very efficiently. To be even more
efficient for its users, MoinMoin allows attaching
files like images or zip-files. The way these files are currently
stored is not that good.
Thus, we aim to provide a powerful abstraction layer to store data
efficiently using different backends.
The work on this storage backend has already begun.
We now want to improve it and its documentation and add another
backend (and enable others to add further backends).
The code needs general improvements to make it useful.
Currently there are some flaws in the design that need to be ironed as well.
When this has been accomplished you can select which backend you like,
without altering the way you access your data.
This will allow storage items to be available in different revisions, too.



From tw-public at gmx.de  Fri Mar 13 11:37:07 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:37:07 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] gsoc and moinmoin
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70903121113o25db041g2dcbdc362988f1f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70903121113o25db041g2dcbdc362988f1f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1236958627.23874.4.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

> Is moinmoin participating in a gsoc?

I filed our organisation application some days ago. Let's see if we get
accepted.

> Will one of the projects be a continuation of "storing moinmoin in a
> distributed revision control".

Maybe. See my comments on the wiki page.

> There was some work done on hq but it never made it into mainstream.

One project that'll have high priority is to make the storage stuff
ready for production. There are some parts in the storage code (not in
the backends) missing still that need to be done first (see that wiki
page).






From tw-public at gmx.de  Fri Mar 13 11:46:47 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:46:47 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Issue with SSPI auth
In-Reply-To: <6c18a4f0903130632g347cec37p4934c0e92892fe6e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6c18a4f0903130632g347cec37p4934c0e92892fe6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1236959207.23874.11.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

> we have a working MoinMoin wiki where users are authenticated with
> mod_auth_sspi against our AD domain.

Moin version?

> This is working fine for several users. Now I added some more users to
> our user group access page. Some of them always get the message that
> they are not allowed to access the Wiki.
> 
> In my Apache logs I only see entries of the form
> 172.28.140.45 - p1add\\firstname.lastname [13/Mar/2009:14:20:58 +0100]
> "GET /rd_wiki/AJN HTTP/1.1" 403 4149
> but no reason why the access was denied.

Does the 403 come from Moin (is the MoinMoin user interface visible?) or
from Apache?

If it comes from moin, how do your config and page ACLs look like?
How does your page_group_regex look like (see also docs/CHANGES)?

> My apache.conf section looks like this:
> 
> <Location /rd_wiki>
> 		SetHandler python-program
> 		PythonPath "['D:/moin/rd_wiki'] + sys.path"
> 		PythonHandler MoinMoin.request.request_modpython::Request.run
> 		AuthType SSPI
> 		AuthName "rd_wiki"
> 		Require valid-user
> 		SSPIAuth On
> 		SSPIAuthoritative On
> 		SSPIDomain p1add.radd.lan
> 		SSPIUsernameCase lower
> 		SSPIOfferBasic On
> </Location>

Oh, you are still using mod_python? I can't tell whether this is one of
the cases, but in some cases mod_python triggered weird effects.

Please use mod_wsgi next time you do an upgrade (it will work fine with
moin 1.8.2 and it will be the easiest way of deployment for upcoming
moin 1.9).

> Does anybody have an idea how to further debug the issue?

Moin 1.8 has very good logging configurability (see the adaptor script).

You can set auth/session stuff to debug logging, while keeping the rest
at info or warning level.

You might get some hints from the log output then. If not, you can add
additional logging to the code to get more information.





From daniel.d.mclaughlin at intel.com  Fri Mar 13 12:13:04 2009
From: daniel.d.mclaughlin at intel.com (McLaughlin, Daniel D)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:13:04 -0700
Subject: [Moin-user] Migrating to MediaWiki
Message-ID: <8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F16133CBA0@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>

Hello,

I have a MoinMoin 1.8 standalone wiki that I would like to migrate to our IT MediaWiki (PHP) system. Is this possible, and if so, is there a procedure documented?
Thanks

Daniel McLaughlin
MTL Lab Coordinator
Microprocessor Technology Labs
SC12-303 Pole G3
Office: 408-653-9665
Cell: 408-887-3998
daniel.d.mclaughlin at intel.com<mailto:daniel.d.mclaughlin at intel.com>

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From bernd.bartmann at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 09:59:55 2009
From: bernd.bartmann at gmail.com (Bernd Bartmann)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:59:55 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Issue with SSPI auth
In-Reply-To: <1236959207.23874.11.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
References: <6c18a4f0903130632g347cec37p4934c0e92892fe6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236959207.23874.11.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <6c18a4f0903140659w2852303we2ebfa5f42495a89@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Thomas Waldmann wrote:
> Moin version?

At the moment it is moin-1.8.1, but I have no problem going to 1.8.2
if this helps to solve the issue.

> Does the 403 come from Moin (is the MoinMoin user interface visible?) or
> from Apache?

It comes from Moin. The users see "You are not allowed to view this
page" and the Moin page structure.

> If it comes from moin, how do your config and page ACLs look like?
> How does your page_group_regex look like (see also docs/CHANGES)?

In my wikiconfig.py I have:

    acl_rights_before = (u"Bba114Sb:read,write,delete,revert,admin
Jmq176Sb:read,write,delete,revert,admin
Bpe135Sb:read,write,delete,revert,admin")
    acl_rights_default = (u"RDUsersGroup:read,write,delete,revert All:")
    acl_hierarchic = True

    page_category_regex = ur'(?P<all>Category(?P<key>(?!Template)\S+))'
    page_dict_regex = ur'(?P<all>(?P<key>\S+)Dict)'
    page_group_regex = ur'(?P<all>(?P<key>\S+)Group)'
    page_template_regex = ur'(?P<all>(?P<key>\S+)Template)'

The Wiki page RDUsersGroup lists all the users that should have access
to the Wiki.

Best regards,
Bernd.



From jfl at robinlea.com  Sun Mar 15 03:30:11 2009
From: jfl at robinlea.com (John Francis Lee)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:30:11 +0700
Subject: [Moin-user] 1.9.0b2 not working
Message-ID: <49BCAE83.40801@robinlea.com>

Hello,

I had tried to set up a moin 1.7.1 wiki, because that's what got 
installed when I ran
  apt-get install python-moinmoin
on my ubuntu 8.10 machine. But I was unable to get it working.

I was happy to see that moin 1.9.0b2 was released because I'd noticed 
that it was to be a "native" wsgi installation, rather than install an 
cgi first and then install on wsgi, because I never got past the cgi 
install on 1.7.1.

I have wsgi working on my machine, in daemon mode, and running very nicely.

I have tried my best to follow the instructions, and they seem much less 
contradictory than the old instructions... but still no joy.

I attach the config files and some log traces. I know that I haven't 
correctly configured the log files for moin, but that doesn't seem to be 
a show stopper.

When I send my browser to
  http://ws0.uspvp.org/wiki
I get
  Not Found
  No wiki configuration matching the URL found!
but I cannot think what else to do. I have made symbolic links from 
every "mistaken" name I can think of to all the config files and still 
no joy. I'd appreciate anyone's help, if anyone has the time to review 
my configuration.

-- 
John Francis Lee
1025/37 Thanon Jet Yod
Mueang Chiangrai 57000
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From tss at iki.fi  Sun Mar 15 21:23:53 2009
From: tss at iki.fi (Timo Sirainen)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:23:53 -0400
Subject: [Moin-user] After upgrade #!/bin/sh lines are gone
Message-ID: <1237166633.24642.244.camel@timo-desktop>

I have many shell scripts in my wiki listed like:

{{{
#!/bin/sh
..code..
}}}

After upgrading from v1.5.8 to v1.8.2 the #!/bin/sh lines are no longer
visible. How would I get them back?

(Please Cc: replies to me)
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From kai at aplteam.com  Mon Mar 16 04:56:37 2009
From: kai at aplteam.com (kai at aplteam.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:56:37 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Wiki farm and FavIcon
In-Reply-To: <8d89d5920903111306ve6d8c2bj4171d98e53309cf9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903110956k19527423k7fc9d9cda7ce8604@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d89d5920903111103m42aa9b1akb7e6bfb52474c622@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d89d5920903111306ve6d8c2bj4171d98e53309cf9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99f673360903160156j8a5e546mbc24f94aa7be8f10@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bradey and Marcel for your advice - nevertheless is was
difficult to get it work.

For the records:

1. For some reason some browsers (yes, IE is among them) cache the
favicon even when all temp Internet files are deleted and the browser
is restarted. I couldn't believe it, but when accessing a site from a
different PC, the browser behaved as expected.

Of course that makes it much more difficult, because you can never be
quite sure that what you see is "reality".

2. Specifying
href="/wiki/foo.ico"
as my favicon were "wiki" is defined in the apache config as the
underlaying dir doesn't work for me. It works for any other file,
including the logo, so the general mechanism is fine but it just won't
work with my favcion.

3. What worked was:
href="http://aplteam.com/aplwiki/aplwiki.ico"
I don't understand this, but it works...
Yes, aplwiki.ico IS situated in apaches htdocs directory.

Kai



On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Bradey Honsinger <bradeyh at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Bradey Honsinger <bradeyh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:56 AM, kai at aplteam.com <kai at aplteam.com> wrote:
>>> Is there a way to make every wiki using it's own FavIcon?
>>
>> Web browsers use http://<server>/favicon.ico unless instructed
>> otherwise, so unless your wikis use different domain names you can't
>> give them different favicons using Apache configuration. You can
>> specify the favicon inside the HTML using a <link> tag, though--I've
>> successfully done that on some wikis I manage. Set html_head inside
>> wikiconfig.py like this:
>>
>> ? ?# favicon support (for both IE and FF)
>> ? ?html_head = u"""
>> ? ?<!-- for IE compatibility: -->
>> ? ?<link rel="shortcut icon"
>> ? ? ? ?type="image/x-icon"
>> ? ? ? ?href="/path/to/favicon.ico" />
>> ? ?<!-- for FF, newer browsers -->
>> ? ?<link rel="icon"
>> ? ? ? ?type="image/jpeg"
>> ? ? ? ?href="/path/to/favicon.png" />
>> ? ?"""
>>
>> Firefox and IE use slightly different tags, and FF can use a PNG while
>> IE needs a .ico file.
>
> FWIW, the same basic info is in HelpMiscellaneous:
>
> http://moinmo.in/HelpMiscellaneous#Adding_a_favicon_to_your_wiki_setup
>
> ?- Bradey
>



From bernd.bartmann at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 10:24:44 2009
From: bernd.bartmann at gmail.com (Bernd Bartmann)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:24:44 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Issue with SSPI auth
In-Reply-To: <6c18a4f0903140659w2852303we2ebfa5f42495a89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6c18a4f0903130632g347cec37p4934c0e92892fe6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236959207.23874.11.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
	<6c18a4f0903140659w2852303we2ebfa5f42495a89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6c18a4f0903160724m6b86bc64n9f83d5b8200aabb9@mail.gmail.com>

In the meantime I switched to moin.wsgi, enabled loggin, but still
remain on moin-1.8.1.
In the log I found the following:

2009-03-16 12:30:35,732 MoinMoin.session DEBUG got cookie with
session_name 'c___wr54aoftbp8ujobwp_z75rvixk8y'
2009-03-16 12:30:35,732 MoinMoin.session DEBUG starting session
(reusing session_name 'c___wr54aoftbp8ujobwp_z75rvixk8y')
2009-03-16 12:30:35,732 MoinMoin.session DEBUG loaded session data
from cache entry: {'user.id': '1208189430.36.49171', 'expires':
1552565309.5910001, 'user.auth_attribs': ('name', 'password'),
'user.auth_method': 'http', 'trail': [u'HelpOnInstalling',
u'HelpOnInstalling/ApacheWithModWSGI', u'LogOn Name', u'HelpOnLogin',
u'AJN']}
2009-03-16 12:30:35,732 MoinMoin.session DEBUG session started for
user <MoinMoin.user.User at 0x2be8508 name:u'Bba114Sb' valid:1>
2009-03-16 12:30:35,732 MoinMoin.session DEBUG storing
'user.id':'1208189430.36.49171' item into session cache entry
2009-03-16 12:30:35,747 MoinMoin.session DEBUG storing
'user.auth_method':'http' item into session cache entry
2009-03-16 12:30:35,747 MoinMoin.session DEBUG storing
'user.auth_attribs':('name', 'password') item into session cache entry
2009-03-16 12:30:35,747 MoinMoin.session DEBUG setting cookie with
session_name 'c___wr54aoftbp8ujobwp_z75rvixk8y', expiry
1552563035.7479999
2009-03-16 12:30:35,747 MoinMoin.session DEBUG after auth: storing
valid user into session: u'Bba114Sb'
2009-03-16 12:30:35,763 MoinMoin.session DEBUG storing
'trail':[u'HelpOnInstalling/ApacheWithModWSGI', u'LogOn Name',
u'HelpOnLogin', u'AJN', u'AJN/T3&T4'] item into session cache entry
2009-03-16 15:16:15,311 MoinMoin.session DEBUG starting session (new
session_name 'yr2tpxrllp89_a3mon6bsq30ksd78m8p')
2009-03-16 15:16:15,311 MoinMoin.session DEBUG session started for user None
2009-03-16 15:16:15,622 MoinMoin.session DEBUG after auth: no valid
user, no anon session
2009-03-16 15:16:30,545 MoinMoin.session DEBUG starting session (new
session_name 'w7pcby0rgaazpzdemrjaui229dolv_we')
2009-03-16 15:16:30,545 MoinMoin.session DEBUG session started for user None
2009-03-16 15:16:30,576 MoinMoin.session DEBUG after auth: no valid
user, no anon session

At the timestamp 12:30:35 there is a successful login to Wiki through
mod_auth_sspi, but at timestamp 15:16:15 there is one of the failed
attempt.
But still the log does not show why the auth failed :-(

Best regards,
Bernd.



From rb.proj at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 10:32:32 2009
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:32:32 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] After upgrade #!/bin/sh lines are gone
In-Reply-To: <1237166633.24642.244.camel@timo-desktop>
References: <1237166633.24642.244.camel@timo-desktop>
Message-ID: <gplnu0$c12$1@ger.gmane.org>

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Timo Sirainen schrieb:
> I have many shell scripts in my wiki listed like:
> 
> {{{
> #!/bin/sh
> ..code..
> }}}
> 
> After upgrading from v1.5.8 to v1.8.2 the #!/bin/sh lines are no longer
> visible. How would I get them back?
> 
> (Please Cc: replies to me)

you need to give the parser name which you want to use for highlighting.
In that case we have had no bash highlighter. So you have to use #!plain

{{{#!plain
#!/bin/sh
 ..code..
}}}

The highlight parser based on pygments was added to 1.9 see
http://moinmo.in/ParserMarket/highlight
It does highlight bash scripts and many other formats.

cheers
Reimar


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From lists.gnarlodious at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 12:33:25 2009
From: lists.gnarlodious at gmail.com (Gnarlodious)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:33:25 -0600
Subject: [Moin-user] Wiki farm and FavIcon
In-Reply-To: <99f673360903160156j8a5e546mbc24f94aa7be8f10@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903110956k19527423k7fc9d9cda7ce8604@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d89d5920903111103m42aa9b1akb7e6bfb52474c622@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d89d5920903111306ve6d8c2bj4171d98e53309cf9@mail.gmail.com>
	<99f673360903160156j8a5e546mbc24f94aa7be8f10@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3130eec50903160933tdb9f7d6pce6fb16dfa4e22bc@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/16/09, kai at aplteam.com wrote:

> 1. For some reason some browsers (yes, IE is among them) cache the
> favicon even when all temp Internet files are deleted and the browser
> is restarted.
This is because the favicon is attached to the Favorites menu in IE
and some other browsers. To really reload the favicon, you must:
1) Flush the cache
2) Fush the History
3) Delete any Favorites pointing to that domain
4) Restart the browser

-- Gnarlie



From kai at aplteam.com  Mon Mar 16 12:35:42 2009
From: kai at aplteam.com (kai at aplteam.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:35:42 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Wiki farm and FavIcon
In-Reply-To: <3130eec50903160933tdb9f7d6pce6fb16dfa4e22bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903110956k19527423k7fc9d9cda7ce8604@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d89d5920903111103m42aa9b1akb7e6bfb52474c622@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d89d5920903111306ve6d8c2bj4171d98e53309cf9@mail.gmail.com>
	<99f673360903160156j8a5e546mbc24f94aa7be8f10@mail.gmail.com>
	<3130eec50903160933tdb9f7d6pce6fb16dfa4e22bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99f673360903160935y212a7906jddc3d0dd2b16555@mail.gmail.com>

That's the problem. I've done 1,2 and 4 and cannot do 3 because I havn't those.

To be precise, it is IE7+8 and Chrome. I havn't checked other IEs.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Gnarlodious
<lists.gnarlodious at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/16/09, kai at aplteam.com wrote:
>
>> 1. For some reason some browsers (yes, IE is among them) cache the
>> favicon even when all temp Internet files are deleted and the browser
>> is restarted.
> This is because the favicon is attached to the Favorites menu in IE
> and some other browsers. To really reload the favicon, you must:
> 1) Flush the cache
> 2) Fush the History
> 3) Delete any Favorites pointing to that domain
> 4) Restart the browser
>
> -- Gnarlie
>



From duaw at gmx.de  Mon Mar 16 16:08:35 2009
From: duaw at gmx.de (Dr. Uwe Werner)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:08:35 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Argument order for search
Message-ID: <033D8744-532B-43A1-9111-8A0B06CEA150@gmx.de>

Hello Fellow-MoinMoiners!

I was wondering if there is a difference in performance between

(1) <<FullSearch(category:CategoryName title:Prefix-)>>

and

(2) <<FullSearch(title:Prefix- category:CategoryName)>> ???

Does category search actually open the page and read until the last  
line is reached in order to check the category? If so, then I presume   
(2) is faster because checking the name of a page (actually most  
pages) and excluding it from the subsequent is a quicker thing than  
finding categories. Is this correct?

The wiki in question is still small. Does someone have "empirical"  
evidence -- or know the internals?

BTW when is the cache in the "Cached" search version up-to-date?

Thanks for your feedback
  Uwe



From duaw at gmx.de  Mon Mar 16 17:23:00 2009
From: duaw at gmx.de (Dr. Uwe Werner)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:23:00 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Double Click Woes
Message-ID: <B2B5636C-4041-4F21-B22D-68443F4C0ADB@gmx.de>

Dear Fellow-MoinMoiners,

most users are used to the double-click.  However, MoinMoin behaves  
somewhat weird, not fulfilling the user's expectations.  I observed  
the following with a couple of users new (and some already used to)  
MoinMoin:

(1) A user reads a longer page.
(2) The user wants to change a sentence, fix a typo, add a remark.
(3) The moves the mouse and double clicks precisely the position with  
the letter, sentence, or chapter in question.
(4) Edit window opens, input at line one, column one
(5) User is annoyed.

User satisfaction would grow enormously if Moin was able position the  
cursor where the double click took place (or close by).

BTW The edit-on-double-click should be disabled when renaming a page,  
moving attachments etc.  When I rename a page, a double click should  
behave differently: Select a word or the whole selectable text.

Best Regards
Uwe



From mail at heavy.ch  Mon Mar 16 17:25:14 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:25:14 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Argument order for search
In-Reply-To: <033D8744-532B-43A1-9111-8A0B06CEA150@gmx.de>
References: <033D8744-532B-43A1-9111-8A0B06CEA150@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <49BEC3BA.6070308@heavy.ch>

hi

Dr. Uwe Werner schrieb:
> Hello Fellow-MoinMoiners!
> 
> I was wondering if there is a difference in performance between
> 
> (1) <<FullSearch(category:CategoryName title:Prefix-)>>
> 
> and
> 
> (2) <<FullSearch(title:Prefix- category:CategoryName)>> ???
> 
if you talk about xapian, I think there is no different, because all
keywords/data are stored in a indexes/database... but maybe some core
dev knows better. the normal moinmoin search is slow. don't use it for
bigger wikies.

> Does category search actually open the page and read until the last  
> line is reached in order to check the category? If so, then I presume   
> (2) is faster because checking the name of a page (actually most  
> pages) and excluding it from the subsequent is a quicker thing than  
> finding categories. Is this correct?

again with xapian search sure not! Because xapian use an own database
for the indexes (http://xapian.org/docs/quickstart.html) so no need for
open/reading every page.

about the question for the querparser I do not know.. some moin-dev
should know.

What's about the intern "slow" moinmoin search don't know... it's anyway
to slow if you start to have a wiki with more then a few hundred pages.
> 
> The wiki in question is still small. Does someone have "empirical"  
> evidence -- or know the internals?
> 

it's not only depend on the wiki size (pagecounts), more important is
how your users use the wik, how many traffic you will have, how fast is
your machine, are your pages full with attachment to download or only
single text pages, etcetera.

maybe you have to specific how big your wiki will be, how many
concurrent users you will have, how many search in a minutes, etc.. so
somebody can say someting...

the only limit is that some filesystem (like ext3) only supporting
32'000 subdirectorys and I also would say more then 15'/20'000 Pages
would be realy heavy. Maybe have a look at the ext4
(http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4#head-97cbed179e6bcc48e47e645e06b95205ea832a68)
or some other filesystems (e.g. xfs)

in generaly:
1. use apache (or even a more lighter webserver) with wsgi
2. use xapain for search
3. try to tweak/tune your filesystem
4. add a lot of memory to your machine,
5. use fast harddisk with some raid
6. etcetera...

see here: http://moinmo.in/HowTo/Tune%20Performance


> BTW when is the cache in the "Cached" search version up-to-date?
> 
as far as i know "caching" means only the result (the page itself), and
not the search query. so if somebody add a new page you need to
"refresh" to see this page...

btw. there is a page on the wiki http://moinmo.in/PerformanceProposals
but it is a bit outdated.

hope it helps a bit...

bye
Marcel



From mail at heavy.ch  Mon Mar 16 17:41:49 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:41:49 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Double Click Woes
In-Reply-To: <B2B5636C-4041-4F21-B22D-68443F4C0ADB@gmx.de>
References: <B2B5636C-4041-4F21-B22D-68443F4C0ADB@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <49BEC79D.5020301@heavy.ch>

hi there


Dr. Uwe Werner schrieb:
> 
> User satisfaction would grow enormously if Moin was able position the  
> cursor where the double click took place (or close by).

yes that would be great idea, but it seems to me quite difficult.
because a wiki pages can also contains macros, acl, pragam, comments,
etc.. so you  can't count just lines and only a search for the clicked
keyword would also mostly fail. This should work for the text and gui
editor either and what's happen if you click on a included page? should
the included page be open? hmmm...

bye
Marcel




From duaw at gmx.de  Mon Mar 16 18:28:51 2009
From: duaw at gmx.de (Dr. Uwe Werner)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:28:51 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Double Click Woes
In-Reply-To: <49BEC79D.5020301@heavy.ch>
References: <B2B5636C-4041-4F21-B22D-68443F4C0ADB@gmx.de>
	<49BEC79D.5020301@heavy.ch>
Message-ID: <C6C51FB8-4B56-42BE-9122-61A3E3F64527@gmx.de>

I am aware of many possible intricate possibilities.
However,
(1) Many or most cases are simple without text substitution, right on  
the page.
(2) No perfect location is necessary. The vicinity should be enough.   
We all have a built-in pattern matcher.  Once we are close enough,  we  
can find orientation rather quickly.
(3) Keep it simple.

I don't think it is easy to implement.  I have no clue how a solution  
can look like.  I stated a problem many users face every day.  And the  
requirement is easily formulated: Something "in" that page is  
responsible for what is "on" that page.  The cursor shall be placed as  
close to it as possible (Personally, I do not use the GUI editor...).

Best Regards,
  Uwe Werner


Am 16.03.2009 um 22:41 schrieb Mail at Heavy.ch:

> hi there
>
>
> Dr. Uwe Werner schrieb:
>>
>> User satisfaction would grow enormously if Moin was able position the
>> cursor where the double click took place (or close by).
>
> yes that would be great idea, but it seems to me quite difficult.
> because a wiki pages can also contains macros, acl, pragam, comments,
> etc.. so you  can't count just lines and only a search for the clicked
> keyword would also mostly fail. This should work for the text and gui
> editor either and what's happen if you click on a included page?  
> should
> the included page be open? hmmm...
>
> bye
> Marcel




From jfl at robinlea.com  Tue Mar 17 09:04:15 2009
From: jfl at robinlea.com (John Francis Lee)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:04:15 +0700
Subject: [Moin-user] problems configuring moin 1.9.0b2
Message-ID: <49BF9FCF.9080306@robinlea.com>

Hello,

I'm sorry to persist, but I want to make this work, so I will keep 
posting until I am either banned from the list or until someone helps me.

I attach once again a file containing my attempt to document my problem. 
I have made a single file this time, hoping that is more tempting to 
someone not completely indisposed to helping me.

The file contains
  1. the contents of /etc/moin/farmconfig.py
  2. the contents of /etc/moin/wiki.py
  3. the contents pf /home/jfl/www/uspvp.org/wiki/moin.wsgi
  4. a trace of apache starting, from /var/logs/apache2/error.log
  5. a trace of apache starting, from /home/jfl/www/logs/uspvp_error.log
  6. a trace of moin starting from /tmp/moin.log
  7. the url for the location at which I expect to find moin
  8. the reply from my browser to my attempt to find moin there
  9. the listing of /etc/moin
10. the listing of /home/jfl/www/uspvp.org/wiki

I have tried my best to understand and follow the instructions at

  http://master19.moinmo.in/InstallDocs#server

but I am not having any luck and try as I may am unable to diagnose my 
problem. So I am writing, once again, asking for help.

Thanks for your kind attention to my plea.

-- 
John Francis Lee
1025/37 Thanon Jet Yod
Mueang Chiangrai 57000
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From rb.proj at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 09:56:04 2009
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:56:04 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] problems configuring moin 1.9.0b2
In-Reply-To: <49BF9FCF.9080306@robinlea.com>
References: <49BF9FCF.9080306@robinlea.com>
Message-ID: <gpoa5l$ba7$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi John

dicussing of installation problems is much easier by uisng irc. You can
use pastebins to show the configs and also the rights. join us on #moin
chat.freenode.net.

I guess it is an accessright problem but I can't verify this from your tgz.


cheers
Reimar


John Francis Lee schrieb:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm sorry to persist, but I want to make this work, so I will keep
> posting until I am either banned from the list or until someone helps me.
> 
> I attach once again a file containing my attempt to document my problem.
> I have made a single file this time, hoping that is more tempting to
> someone not completely indisposed to helping me.
> 
> The file contains
>  1. the contents of /etc/moin/farmconfig.py
>  2. the contents of /etc/moin/wiki.py
>  3. the contents pf /home/jfl/www/uspvp.org/wiki/moin.wsgi
>  4. a trace of apache starting, from /var/logs/apache2/error.log
>  5. a trace of apache starting, from /home/jfl/www/logs/uspvp_error.log
>  6. a trace of moin starting from /tmp/moin.log
>  7. the url for the location at which I expect to find moin
>  8. the reply from my browser to my attempt to find moin there
>  9. the listing of /etc/moin
> 10. the listing of /home/jfl/www/uspvp.org/wiki
> 
> I have tried my best to understand and follow the instructions at
> 
>  http://master19.moinmo.in/InstallDocs#server
> 
> but I am not having any luck and try as I may am unable to diagnose my
> problem. So I am writing, once again, asking for help.
> 
> Thanks for your kind attention to my plea.
> 
> 
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From bernd.bartmann at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 10:11:02 2009
From: bernd.bartmann at gmail.com (Bernd Bartmann)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:11:02 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Issue with SSPI auth
In-Reply-To: <6c18a4f0903160724m6b86bc64n9f83d5b8200aabb9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6c18a4f0903130632g347cec37p4934c0e92892fe6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236959207.23874.11.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
	<6c18a4f0903140659w2852303we2ebfa5f42495a89@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c18a4f0903160724m6b86bc64n9f83d5b8200aabb9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6c18a4f0903170711o44d98567x1c5dfc6ae490898d@mail.gmail.com>

I just solved the issue. It turns out not to be releated to the sspi
auth itself.
The reason was yet again a switch in the HTTPAuth config in
wikiconfig.py from moin-1.7.x to moin-1.8.x

In moin 1.7.x I had:

    from MoinMoin.auth.http import HTTPAuth
    auth = [HTTPAuth]
    user_autocreate = True

Now, with moin-1.8.x this has to be changed to:

    from MoinMoin.auth.http import HTTPAuth
    auth = [HTTPAuth(autocreate=True)]

So for new users that tried to access the Wiki for the first time
after the switch to moin-1.8.x the issue was that their user account
was not created automatically anymore within the Wiki.

This again raises the questions why the upgrade process from one moin
version to another is so poorly documented. At least I see room for
improvement here.

Best regards,
Bernd.



From j.k.wight at ncl.ac.uk  Tue Mar 17 10:36:55 2009
From: j.k.wight at ncl.ac.uk (Jim Wight)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:36:55 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] problems configuring moin 1.9.0b2
In-Reply-To: <49BF9FCF.9080306@robinlea.com>
References: <49BF9FCF.9080306@robinlea.com>
Message-ID: <49BFB587.70307@ncl.ac.uk>


> I'm sorry to persist, but I want to make this work, so I will keep 
> posting until I am either banned from the list or until someone helps me.
> 
> I attach once again a file containing my attempt to document my problem. 
> I have made a single file this time, hoping that is more tempting to 
> someone not completely indisposed to helping me.
> 
> The file contains
>  1. the contents of /etc/moin/farmconfig.py

I haven't looked any further, but

("wiki", r"^http://ws0\.uspvp\.org/.'$")

doesn't look right. Shouldn't that be .*$, not .'$?

Jim







From czerwinski1977 at gmx.net  Tue Mar 17 11:51:01 2009
From: czerwinski1977 at gmx.net (Reinhard Mayr aka Czerwinski)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:51:01 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Sub-Page Separator in Navigator
Message-ID: <20090317155101.200130@gmx.net>

Hi,

I run Moin 1.8.2 in a W2K3/IIS6 box. In my navigator (modernized scheme) subpages are separated by "/ " instead of "/" -- how can I change this?

Thanks!

Reinhard.
-- 
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From czerwinski1977 at gmx.net  Tue Mar 17 11:56:51 2009
From: czerwinski1977 at gmx.net (Reinhard Mayr aka Czerwinski)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:56:51 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Templates not working after update 1.6.3 => 1.8.2
Message-ID: <20090317155651.227080@gmx.net>

Hi there,

after a successful update from 1.6.3 to 1.8.2 I found that templates are no longer working. When I create a new page by altering the URL, there is no proposed template.

Any idea what went wrong or what I have to consider?

Thanks!

Reinhard.
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From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Mar 17 13:24:49 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:24:49 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Migrating to MediaWiki
In-Reply-To: <8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F16133CBA0@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F16133CBA0@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <1237310689.16791.98.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

Hi Daniel,

> I have a MoinMoin 1.8 standalone wiki that I would like to migrate to
> our IT MediaWiki (PHP) system.

Better do it the other way. :D

> Is this possible, and if so, is there a procedure documented?

Usually people having that problem hack some stuff to do 90% of the
conversion effort needed and publish it on the support site of the
target wiki engine (thus, in your case, MediaWiki).

So maybe ask the MediaWiki support - you likely will find more support
for migrating to some specific wiki on its site than for moving away
from it.






From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Mar 17 13:36:56 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:36:56 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Issue with SSPI auth
In-Reply-To: <6c18a4f0903170711o44d98567x1c5dfc6ae490898d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6c18a4f0903130632g347cec37p4934c0e92892fe6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236959207.23874.11.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
	<6c18a4f0903140659w2852303we2ebfa5f42495a89@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c18a4f0903160724m6b86bc64n9f83d5b8200aabb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c18a4f0903170711o44d98567x1c5dfc6ae490898d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1237311416.16791.110.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>


> I just solved the issue. It turns out not to be releated to the sspi
> auth itself.
> The reason was yet again a switch in the HTTPAuth config in
> wikiconfig.py from moin-1.7.x to moin-1.8.x
> 
> In moin 1.7.x I had:
> 
>     from MoinMoin.auth.http import HTTPAuth
>     auth = [HTTPAuth]
>     user_autocreate = True
> 
> Now, with moin-1.8.x this has to be changed to:
> 
>     from MoinMoin.auth.http import HTTPAuth
>     auth = [HTTPAuth(autocreate=True)]

Wasn't that documented in docs/CHANGES?

BTW, be warned, for some version after 1.9, you'll have to change that
to "GivenAuth". Moin 1.9 will still be happy with HTTPAuth due to some
compatibility code I added, but emit warnings pointing you in the right
direction.

I changed that because HTTPAuth is simple the wrong name for that thing.
Auth is done by webserver and moin basically does not even know or care
whether it is http basic auth or some other of the many auth methods
supported by some apache module. So the authenticated user is just
"given" to moin, thus the new name "GivenAuth" (in 1.9).

OTOH, in 1.9, Moin will be able to do http basic auth on its own
(builtin). Because HTTPAuth will still work for compatibility reasons,
that one will be named HTTPAuthMoin.

> This again raises the questions why the upgrade process from one moin
> version to another is so poorly documented. At least I see room for
> improvement here.

Well, there are docs. You are sure you have read them?

http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.8/file/1da5c7d21660/docs/CHANGES see line
197... (and I also updated the help page, btw).

I am sorry that upgrading moin is sometimes a bit hard, esp. if you
don't carefully read the docs, but all the changes you see are usually
improvements and cleanups (sometimes that maybe is not obvious, but
trust me :).







From daniel.d.mclaughlin at intel.com  Tue Mar 17 13:37:22 2009
From: daniel.d.mclaughlin at intel.com (McLaughlin, Daniel D)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:37:22 -0700
Subject: [Moin-user] Migrating to MediaWiki
In-Reply-To: <1237310689.16791.98.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
References: <8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F16133CBA0@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<1237310689.16791.98.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F1613E8FFA@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>

Although seeking support from the target wiki is the more logical approach, Corp IT didn't even offer that as a method toward a solution. Hello??  

I'll have to get pushy.
Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Waldmann [mailto:tw-public at gmx.de] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:25 AM
To: McLaughlin, Daniel D
Cc: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Moin-user] Migrating to MediaWiki

Hi Daniel,

> I have a MoinMoin 1.8 standalone wiki that I would like to migrate to
> our IT MediaWiki (PHP) system.

Better do it the other way. :D

> Is this possible, and if so, is there a procedure documented?

Usually people having that problem hack some stuff to do 90% of the
conversion effort needed and publish it on the support site of the
target wiki engine (thus, in your case, MediaWiki).

So maybe ask the MediaWiki support - you likely will find more support
for migrating to some specific wiki on its site than for moving away
from it.






From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Mar 17 13:48:25 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:48:25 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] 1.9.0b2 not working
In-Reply-To: <49BCAE83.40801@robinlea.com>
References: <49BCAE83.40801@robinlea.com>
Message-ID: <1237312105.16791.122.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

Hi John,

> I had tried to set up a moin 1.7.1 wiki, because that's what got 
> installed when I ran
>   apt-get install python-moinmoin
> on my ubuntu 8.10 machine. But I was unable to get it working.

Well, Debian (and thus Ubuntu) is always a bit behind due to their
longer release and "stabilizing" cycle.

> I was happy to see that moin 1.9.0b2 was released because I'd noticed 
> that it was to be a "native" wsgi installation, rather than install an 
> cgi first and then install on wsgi, because I never got past the cgi 
> install on 1.7.1.

Well, that "do cgi first, then wsgi" in the 1.7/1.8 docs is just a
recommendation to (maybe) make it easier. If you can get it right on
wsgi easily, you don't need to do it the cgi way first.

>   No wiki configuration matching the URL found!

If you run a farm configuration (== you have a farmconfig.py) and the
regexes in there do not match your URL.

Please note that regexes have changed a bit in 1.9 - they include the
protocol etc. now, see also the 1.9 sample configs we supply.

/me has to add some HINT: to docs/CHANGES for that.

> but I cannot think what else to do. I have made symbolic links from 
> every "mistaken" name I can think of to all the config files and still 
> no joy. I'd appreciate anyone's help, if anyone has the time to review 
> my configuration.

		("uspvp", r"^http://ws0\.uspvp\.org/.'$")

There is a typo, it should read .*$ at the end (as you see it in the
examples in the lines above).

Don't forget to enable TextChas in case you run this on the internet.





From rick.vanderveer at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 13:55:30 2009
From: rick.vanderveer at gmail.com (Rick Vanderveer)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:55:30 -0500
Subject: [Moin-user] Issue with SSPI auth
In-Reply-To: <6c18a4f0903170711o44d98567x1c5dfc6ae490898d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6c18a4f0903130632g347cec37p4934c0e92892fe6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236959207.23874.11.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
	<6c18a4f0903140659w2852303we2ebfa5f42495a89@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c18a4f0903160724m6b86bc64n9f83d5b8200aabb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c18a4f0903170711o44d98567x1c5dfc6ae490898d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c39e1ca0903171055q68b046a2pb30a121fa42dce01@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Bernd,
The changes are documented.  Moin documents slightly differently than
other projects-- all the changes and upgrade hints are in the
\docs\CHANGES file.  In upgrading, you have to work from your current
version up to the current, following all the hints along the way.

However, since it sounds like you may be running a configuration very
close to what I run, you may want to follow/subscribe to my page, as I
always try to stay up-to-date with the current releases and document
the critical changes in an easy-to-follow step by step instructions:

http://moinmo.in/RickVanderveer

And, to reiterate what Thomas said in his email-- while these changes
often seem arbitrary to us users/admin's, they are ultimately for the
better.  Getting an existing installation upgraded can sometimes be
tricky, but it's for the better in the end...

-Rick



On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Bernd Bartmann
<bernd.bartmann at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just solved the issue. It turns out not to be releated to the sspi
> auth itself.
> The reason was yet again a switch in the HTTPAuth config in
> wikiconfig.py from moin-1.7.x to moin-1.8.x
>
> In moin 1.7.x I had:
>
> ? ?from MoinMoin.auth.http import HTTPAuth
> ? ?auth = [HTTPAuth]
> ? ?user_autocreate = True
>
> Now, with moin-1.8.x this has to be changed to:
>
> ? ?from MoinMoin.auth.http import HTTPAuth
> ? ?auth = [HTTPAuth(autocreate=True)]
>
> So for new users that tried to access the Wiki for the first time
> after the switch to moin-1.8.x the issue was that their user account
> was not created automatically anymore within the Wiki.
>
> This again raises the questions why the upgrade process from one moin
> version to another is so poorly documented. At least I see room for
> improvement here.
>
> Best regards,
> Bernd.
>
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From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Mar 17 13:56:39 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:56:39 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Double Click Woes
In-Reply-To: <C6C51FB8-4B56-42BE-9122-61A3E3F64527@gmx.de>
References: <B2B5636C-4041-4F21-B22D-68443F4C0ADB@gmx.de>
	<49BEC79D.5020301@heavy.ch>
	<C6C51FB8-4B56-42BE-9122-61A3E3F64527@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <1237312599.16791.128.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

I don't know any way to just click somewhere and open the editor with
the cursor at the right position. I have to admit that I don't have too
much clue about advanced javascript, though.

What we can and will do (at some time in the future) is to support
section editing. So you can just edit a part of a page. This is useful
esp. for very long pages, where finding the right place in the editor is
hard.

A patch for this already exists, but it hasn't been merged due to
multiple, mostly development related reasons.

Until that gets merged, you can either use that patch or workaround the
problem by having shorter pages.





From bernd.bartmann at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 13:59:11 2009
From: bernd.bartmann at gmail.com (Bernd Bartmann)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:59:11 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Issue with SSPI auth
In-Reply-To: <1237311416.16791.110.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
References: <6c18a4f0903130632g347cec37p4934c0e92892fe6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236959207.23874.11.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
	<6c18a4f0903140659w2852303we2ebfa5f42495a89@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c18a4f0903160724m6b86bc64n9f83d5b8200aabb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c18a4f0903170711o44d98567x1c5dfc6ae490898d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1237311416.16791.110.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <6c18a4f0903171059m7cad4e91l8782934bd2d3d39a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Thomas Waldmann wrote:
> Wasn't that documented in docs/CHANGES?
>
> BTW, be warned, for some version after 1.9, you'll have to change that
> to "GivenAuth". Moin 1.9 will still be happy with HTTPAuth due to some
> compatibility code I added, but emit warnings pointing you in the right
> direction.
>
> I changed that because HTTPAuth is simple the wrong name for that thing.
> Auth is done by webserver and moin basically does not even know or care
> whether it is http basic auth or some other of the many auth methods
> supported by some apache module. So the authenticated user is just
> "given" to moin, thus the new name "GivenAuth" (in 1.9).
>
> OTOH, in 1.9, Moin will be able to do http basic auth on its own
> (builtin). Because HTTPAuth will still work for compatibility reasons,
> that one will be named HTTPAuthMoin.

Then I'll be prepared for yet another change :-)

> Well, there are docs. You are sure you have read them?
>
> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.8/file/1da5c7d21660/docs/CHANGES see line
> 197... (and I also updated the help page, btw).
>
> I am sorry that upgrading moin is sometimes a bit hard, esp. if you
> don't carefully read the docs, but all the changes you see are usually
> improvements and cleanups (sometimes that maybe is not obvious, but
> trust me :).

I probably missed that because I skipped 1.8.0. and went from 1.7.x to 1.8.1.
I simply don't have the time do upgrade to every new release, so I
skip some of them.

>From looking at the entry in the CHANGES file it is not very obvious
what exactly has to be changed, i.e.
there is no example of the old and new format. Glad enough I found an
example of the new format under HowTo/Setup Moin with WSGI Apache
HTTPAuth

For future upgrade would it be possible to have a script that parses
your wikiconfig.py and points out possible issues or marks up sections
that need to be touched?

Also, I had a little bit of a hard time to figure out how exactly to
setup the logging stuff. This also seems to need more documentation.
How about putting some (commented out) example code into the default
moin.wsgi file?

Anyway, Thomas, thanks a lot for all your hard work on MoinMoin!

BTW: If you search for moinmoin in Google (at least here in Germany)
you'll always end up with the old moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de address
instead of moinmo.in.

Best regards,
Bernd.



From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Mar 17 14:00:24 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:00:24 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] problems configuring moin 1.9.0b2
In-Reply-To: <49BF9FCF.9080306@robinlea.com>
References: <49BF9FCF.9080306@robinlea.com>
Message-ID: <1237312824.16791.132.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

> I'm sorry to persist, but I want to make this work, so I will keep 
> posting until I am either banned from the list or until someone helps me.

:D

BTW, if you want some more real-time support, try our IRC channel. 

Usually the UTC evening is a good time for getting some quick help.

But you can try at any time, just wait and don't leave until someone
answered.







From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Mar 17 14:03:12 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:03:12 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Sub-Page Separator in Navigator
In-Reply-To: <20090317155101.200130@gmx.net>
References: <20090317155101.200130@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <1237312992.16791.135.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>


> I run Moin 1.8.2 in a W2K3/IIS6 box. In my navigator (modernized scheme) subpages are separated by "/ " instead of "/" -- how can I change this?

IIRC we did that because otherwise it won't wrap if it gets too long.

Change can be done in the theme (CSS or modernized.py).





From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Mar 17 14:04:30 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:04:30 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Templates not working after update 1.6.3 => 1.8.2
In-Reply-To: <20090317155651.227080@gmx.net>
References: <20090317155651.227080@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <1237313070.16791.138.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

> after a successful update from 1.6.3 to 1.8.2 I found that templates are no longer working. When I create a new page by altering the URL, there is no proposed template.
> 
> Any idea what went wrong or what I have to consider?

Consider reading all the HINTs in docs/CHANGES.

For that problem, it is because some regexes have changed and you likely
have the old ones in your config.





From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Mar 17 14:20:47 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:20:47 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Issue with SSPI auth
In-Reply-To: <6c18a4f0903171059m7cad4e91l8782934bd2d3d39a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6c18a4f0903130632g347cec37p4934c0e92892fe6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236959207.23874.11.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
	<6c18a4f0903140659w2852303we2ebfa5f42495a89@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c18a4f0903160724m6b86bc64n9f83d5b8200aabb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c18a4f0903170711o44d98567x1c5dfc6ae490898d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1237311416.16791.110.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
	<6c18a4f0903171059m7cad4e91l8782934bd2d3d39a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1237314047.16791.151.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

> I probably missed that because I skipped 1.8.0. and went from 1.7.x to 1.8.1.

Skipping some releases is no problem.

BUT: you need to go through the docs for all versions (in order), at
least for the HINT stuff or you'll miss some important upgrading hints.

> I simply don't have the time do upgrade to every new release, so I
> skip some of them.

Sure, no problem. Maybe do not skip years of releases or you likely will
also have a long time to work on upgrading your stuff from 1.8 to 2.9).

> For future upgrade would it be possible to have a script that parses
> your wikiconfig.py and points out possible issues or marks up sections
> that need to be touched?

Well, problem is that we don't have too many developers, thus we
concentrate on the important core stuff.

Also, moin configs can be very complex (depending on what you do, you
have the full power of Python available), so having a script
"understand" everything in there would be at least kind of expensive
luxury (expensive in respect of developer time needed for that), if not
impossible (for the general case).

> Also, I had a little bit of a hard time to figure out how exactly to
> setup the logging stuff. This also seems to need more documentation.
> How about putting some (commented out) example code into the default
> moin.wsgi file?

What's missing? See lines 35..40:

http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/1b3b177719ee/wiki/server/moin.wsgi

See also this file and the link at the very end of it:

http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/1b3b177719ee/wiki/config/logging/README


> BTW: If you search for moinmoin in Google (at least here in Germany)
> you'll always end up with the old moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de address
> instead of moinmo.in.

Yeah, known problem. I'll fix it soon.





From haase at msg.ucsf.edu  Tue Mar 17 16:16:38 2009
From: haase at msg.ucsf.edu (Sebastian Haase)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:16:38 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Migrating to MediaWiki
In-Reply-To: <8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F1613E8FFA@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F16133CBA0@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<1237310689.16791.98.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
	<8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F1613E8FFA@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <bc657ead0903171316y53225338lb098c6e4c8a2dc4e@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:37 PM, McLaughlin, Daniel D
<daniel.d.mclaughlin at intel.com> wrote:
> Although seeking support from the target wiki is the more logical approach, Corp IT didn't even offer that as a method toward a solution. Hello??
>
> I'll have to get pushy.
> Thanks

What is your point ?

Why do you actually not like moinmoin, what do you like about MediaWiki ?
Especially, can you say anything about the MediaWiki support - i.e.
its mailing-list ?

-Sebastian
PS: What is "Corp IT" ?



From fpiat at klabs.be  Tue Mar 17 17:35:38 2009
From: fpiat at klabs.be (Frank Lin PIAT)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:35:38 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Upgrading shared underlays?
Message-ID: <1237325738.5053.448.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>

Hello,

Moinmoin seems to allow sharing underlays and user database (directive
data_underlay_dir and user_dir[1]).

I haven't investigated that much, but how much is that supported?
i.e Would it be upgraded/migrated properly (if the underlay is used in
two wikis, it means that the data would be migrated twice, isn't it?)

Thanks,

Franklin


[1] http://moinmo.in/HelpOnConfiguration




From daniel.d.mclaughlin at intel.com  Tue Mar 17 19:16:51 2009
From: daniel.d.mclaughlin at intel.com (McLaughlin, Daniel D)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:16:51 -0700
Subject: [Moin-user] Migrating to MediaWiki
In-Reply-To: <bc657ead0903171316y53225338lb098c6e4c8a2dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F16133CBA0@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<1237310689.16791.98.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
	<8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F1613E8FFA@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<bc657ead0903171316y53225338lb098c6e4c8a2dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F16143DD83@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>

Sorry. I wasn't clear. 

I have no prior wiki experience to base any comparisons with MoinMoin. 

I was asked to download MoinMoin and set up a standalone wiki for a team I support. Now the requirements for authentication, security, backups, and support have increased. I don't have the bandwidth to support a wiki and found out that corporate IT hosts wiki's via MediaWiki. Migrating will allow the wiki data to be on my corporate NFS server, where it is backed up, and the IT group will support the service.  

I know nothing about MediaWiki and hope that the IT group will engage MediaWiki support for help with the migration. If I investigate on my own, I would be glad to provide an assessment of their mailing-list / forum.

Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: seb.haase at gmail.com [mailto:seb.haase at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Sebastian Haase
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:17 PM
To: McLaughlin, Daniel D
Cc: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Moin-user] Migrating to MediaWiki

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:37 PM, McLaughlin, Daniel D
<daniel.d.mclaughlin at intel.com> wrote:
> Although seeking support from the target wiki is the more logical approach, Corp IT didn't even offer that as a method toward a solution. Hello??
>
> I'll have to get pushy.
> Thanks

What is your point ?

Why do you actually not like moinmoin, what do you like about MediaWiki ?
Especially, can you say anything about the MediaWiki support - i.e.
its mailing-list ?

-Sebastian
PS: What is "Corp IT" ?



From tim.bird at am.sony.com  Tue Mar 17 20:17:03 2009
From: tim.bird at am.sony.com (Tim Bird)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:17:03 -0700
Subject: [Moin-user] Migrating to MediaWiki
In-Reply-To: <8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F16143DD83@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F16133CBA0@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>	<1237310689.16791.98.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>	<8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F1613E8FFA@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>	<bc657ead0903171316y53225338lb098c6e4c8a2dc4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B23168BCBB43B49A4C8EAB32D4B62F16143DD83@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <49C03D7F.2040900@am.sony.com>

McLaughlin, Daniel D wrote:
> Sorry. I wasn't clear. 
> 
> I have no prior wiki experience to base any comparisons with MoinMoin. 
> 
> I was asked to download MoinMoin and set up a standalone wiki for a team I support. Now the requirements for authentication, security, backups, and support have increased. I don't have the bandwidth to support a wiki and found out that corporate IT hosts wiki's via MediaWiki. Migrating will allow the wiki data to be on my corporate NFS server, where it is backed up, and the IT group will support the service.  
> 
> I know nothing about MediaWiki and hope that the IT group will engage MediaWiki support for help with the migration. If I investigate on my own, I would be glad to provide an assessment of their mailing-list / forum.

FWIW, I have migrated a MoinMoin wiki to MediaWiki, due to similar
considerations.  How hard this will be depend largely on how much
you currently use tables, smileys, macros and processors.  The table
syntax for MediaWiki is quite a bit different (more primitive in most
respects, but handles multi-line cells, which is a big plus).

Other features, like headings, URL and inter-wiki linking, text
markup, etc, are very similar, and you can probably convert most
pages with only these basic features with an automated tool.
 -- Tim

=============================
Tim Bird
Architecture Group Chair, CE Linux Forum
Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Corporation of America
=============================




From tw-public at gmx.de  Wed Mar 18 03:57:47 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:57:47 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Upgrading shared underlays?
In-Reply-To: <1237325738.5053.448.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
References: <1237325738.5053.448.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
Message-ID: <1237363067.4668.9.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>


> Moinmoin seems to allow sharing underlays

We found some minor problems with that (like e.g. links pointing to some
other farm wiki). So, maybe better don't use that except if you can live
with those problems.

> and user database

That should be no problem. Esp. if you will have some unified login for
your wiki farm and the same usernames/userids in all or most wikis of
it, it is recommended to do that.

> i.e Would it be upgraded/migrated properly

You have to be a bit careful with such a setup, moin has no special farm
migration support.

E.g. if you run a migration script on the data dir, make sure you use
the user_dir like it was migrated by a single run of the migration
scripts. If you have to run the migration scripts for multiple wikis,
use a backup of the old user_dir so the migration script sees a old
user_dir and a old data_dir as input for every run you have to do.

> (if the underlay is used in
> two wikis, it means that the data would be migrated twice, isn't it?)

We don't migrate the underlay at all. It is usually thrown away on
upgrade. Being able to do that was the main reason why we invented
underlay some years ago.





From czerwinski1977 at gmx.net  Wed Mar 18 04:20:29 2009
From: czerwinski1977 at gmx.net (Reinhard Mayr aka Czerwinski)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:20:29 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Templates not working after update 1.6.3 => 1.8.2
In-Reply-To: <1237313070.16791.138.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
References: <20090317155651.227080@gmx.net>
	<1237313070.16791.138.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <20090318082029.73990@gmx.net>

Thomas,

thanks for you input - I did the homework and replaced the regexp strings in my wikiconf.py with those of the 1.8.2 default file => workes.

Thanks again!

Reinhard.

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:04:30 +0100
> Von: Thomas Waldmann <tw-public at gmx.de>
> An: Reinhard Mayr aka Czerwinski <czerwinski1977 at gmx.net>
> CC: Moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
> Betreff: Re: [Moin-user] Templates not working after update 1.6.3 => 1.8.2

> > after a successful update from 1.6.3 to 1.8.2 I found that templates are
> no longer working. When I create a new page by altering the URL, there is
> no proposed template.
> > 
> > Any idea what went wrong or what I have to consider?
> 
> Consider reading all the HINTs in docs/CHANGES.
> 
> For that problem, it is because some regexes have changed and you likely
> have the old ones in your config.
> 

-- 
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From czerwinski1977 at gmx.net  Wed Mar 18 04:46:52 2009
From: czerwinski1977 at gmx.net (Reinhard Mayr aka Czerwinski)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:46:52 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Sub-Page Separator in Navigator
In-Reply-To: <1237312992.16791.135.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
References: <20090317155101.200130@gmx.net>
	<1237312992.16791.135.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <20090318084652.214370@gmx.net>

Thomas,

I have to confess that I am no web-dev guru... this makes it quite difficult to figure things out ;)

As far as I understand, a thing named "pagelocation" is what I am looking for. Could you be more precise what I have to modify in order to alter the page separation?

Thanks in advance!

Reinhard.

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:03:12 +0100
> Von: Thomas Waldmann <tw-public at gmx.de>
> An: Reinhard Mayr aka Czerwinski <czerwinski1977 at gmx.net>
> CC: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
> Betreff: Re: [Moin-user] Sub-Page Separator in Navigator

> 
> > I run Moin 1.8.2 in a W2K3/IIS6 box. In my navigator (modernized scheme)
> subpages are separated by "/ " instead of "/" -- how can I change this?
> 
> IIRC we did that because otherwise it won't wrap if it gets too long.
> 
> Change can be done in the theme (CSS or modernized.py).
> 

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From tw-public at gmx.de  Wed Mar 18 05:25:38 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:25:38 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Sub-Page Separator in Navigator
In-Reply-To: <20090318084652.214370@gmx.net>
References: <20090317155101.200130@gmx.net>
	<1237312992.16791.135.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
	<20090318084652.214370@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <1237368338.4668.34.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

> I have to confess that I am no web-dev guru... this makes it quite difficult to figure things out ;)
> 
> As far as I understand, a thing named "pagelocation" is what I am looking for. Could you be more precise what I have to modify in order to alter the page separation?

You can simply use "modernized" theme, it doesn't show that blank.





From tw-public at gmx.de  Wed Mar 18 05:27:10 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:27:10 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Sub-Page Separator in Navigator
In-Reply-To: <20090318084652.214370@gmx.net>
References: <20090317155101.200130@gmx.net>
	<1237312992.16791.135.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
	<20090318084652.214370@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <1237368430.4668.37.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>


> I have to confess that I am no web-dev guru... this makes it quite difficult to figure things out ;)
> 
> As far as I understand, a thing named "pagelocation" is what I am looking for. Could you be more precise what I have to modify in order to alter the page separation?

Alternatively:

(10:24) <  TheSheep> the modern (but not modernized) theme has a padding
inserted with css

(10:26) <  TheSheep> #pagelocation li:after { content: "/ "; }

(10:26) <  TheSheep> in the screen.css in modern






From czerwinski1977 at gmx.net  Wed Mar 18 05:44:02 2009
From: czerwinski1977 at gmx.net (Reinhard Mayr aka Czerwinski)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:44:02 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Sub-Page Separator in Navigator
In-Reply-To: <1237368338.4668.34.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
References: <20090317155101.200130@gmx.net>
	<1237312992.16791.135.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
	<20090318084652.214370@gmx.net>
	<1237368338.4668.34.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <20090318094402.73950@gmx.net>

OK, I got it. The problem was that all user profiles contained a theme entry "modern", and of course this overrode the default theme setting "modernized". ... seems that the default theme name was copied to the profile at the time of creation.

Thanks for your inputs!

Reinhard.

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:25:38 +0100
> Von: Thomas Waldmann <tw-public at gmx.de>
> An: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
> Betreff: Re: [Moin-user] Sub-Page Separator in Navigator

> > I have to confess that I am no web-dev guru... this makes it quite
> difficult to figure things out ;)
> > 
> > As far as I understand, a thing named "pagelocation" is what I am
> looking for. Could you be more precise what I have to modify in order to alter
> the page separation?
> 
> You can simply use "modernized" theme, it doesn't show that blank.
> 
> 
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From olivier.lauret at googlemail.com  Wed Mar 18 06:33:28 2009
From: olivier.lauret at googlemail.com (Olivier Lauret)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:33:28 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] Pointing Moinmoin wiki to another installation
Message-ID: <ebd4c7800903180333n3775ddd1s12b51d500bcabd52@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Because of python parameter issue with my server provider, I'm trying to
test my wiki with another python/Moinmoin installation. But I have a problem
setting up correctly the pointers to the new isntallation as the layout of
the webpage becomes wrong.

I have one installation+instance in 1.8.0 which is up and running. No
problem with this.

For the test, I've installed python 2.5.4 under $HOME/opt, then moinmoin
1.8.2 under $HOME/opt using the new installed $HOME/opt/bin/python2.5 (and
not the ootb python from the server provider). I'm doing the following
changes the moinmoin and apache files:


   - moin.wsgi: replace sys.path.insert(0,
   '/usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages') by
   sys.path.insert(0,'/home/woody/opt/lib/python2.5/site-packages')
   - httpd.conf: replace Alias /moin_static180/
   "/usr/local/share/moin/htdocs/" by Alias /moin_static180/
   "/home/woody/opt/share/moin/htdocs/"
   - httpd.conf: replace <Directory "/usr/local/share/moin/htdocs/">
by <Directory
   "/home/woody/opt/share/moin/htdocs/">

The problem is that the layout of the web page is completely wrong and is
related to the moin.wsgi change that I did.

Do we have a procedure to do this? Is there a log other than the apache ones
(no trial errors in them) to debug this problem?

Thank you.
Olivier
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From jfl at robinlea.com  Wed Mar 18 08:19:37 2009
From: jfl at robinlea.com (John Francis Lee)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:19:37 +0700
Subject: [Moin-user] Thanks! ...now another question
Message-ID: <49C0E6D9.40509@robinlea.com>

Thank you R Bauer. Jim Wright, and Thomas Waldman,

I changed the single-quote to an aterisk and, after a moment, the front 
page comes up! Thanks a million.

At first it still didn't work, due to my confusion on another point.

<quote from moin.wsgi>
jfl at ws0:~/www$ tail uspvp.org/wiki/moin.wsgi
from MoinMoin.web.serving import make_application
# Creating the WSGI application
# use shared=True to have moin serve the builtin static docs
# use shared=False to not have moin serve static docs
# use shared='/my/path/to/htdocs' to serve static docs from that path
application = make_application(shared=True)
#application = 
make_application(shared='/home/jfl/www/uspvp.org/wiki/moin_static190')
#application = make_application(shared=False)
</quote>

I had set shared=False, because the other two hadn't worked with the 
flawed farmconfig.py But with farmconfig.py fixed shared=False wouldn't 
work, so I tried the other two in turn.

What does "serve the builtin static docs" mean?

I had made a symbolic link in my wiki directory from
  /home/jfl/www/uspvp.org/wiki/moin_static190
to
  /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MoinMoin/web/static/htdocs/
thinking that the "builtin static docs" resided there. But then
  shared='/home/jfl/www/uspvp.org/wiki/moin_static190'
would work, wouldn't it?

What exactly are the static files? templates? if they are real static 
files the I'd want apache to serve them (share=False), right?

And where are they?

Again thanks for all your help. I'm off to see if there are other 
problems with my moin, but I'm very relieved and happy to see the front 
page. Thanks again.


-- 
John Francis Lee
1025/37 Thanon Jet Yod
Mueang Chiangrai 57000



From jfl at robinlea.com  Wed Mar 18 09:00:04 2009
From: jfl at robinlea.com (John Francis Lee)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:00:04 +0700
Subject: [Moin-user] how do I assign a password to superuser?
Message-ID: <49C0F054.2020803@robinlea.com>

How do I assign a password to superuser?

I defined myself as superuser and gave myself the suggested acl, but how 
do I login? I don't see where to set the superuser password.

-- 
John Francis Lee
1025/37 Thanon Jet Yod
Mueang Chiangrai 57000



From rb.proj at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 10:08:35 2009
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:08:35 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] how do I assign a password to superuser?
In-Reply-To: <49C0F054.2020803@robinlea.com>
References: <49C0F054.2020803@robinlea.com>
Message-ID: <gpqv93$dfd$1@ger.gmane.org>

John Francis Lee schrieb:
> How do I assign a password to superuser?
> 
> I defined myself as superuser and gave myself the suggested acl, but how 
> do I login? I don't see where to set the superuser password.
> 

Hi

superuser is an attribute of an existing account.

If you are logged in you be the superuser if you have added your name to
the config var. superuser = [u"YourName", ]


cheers
Reimar





From jay.zeiger at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 19:51:38 2009
From: jay.zeiger at gmail.com (J Zeiger)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:51:38 -0400
Subject: [Moin-user] Changing default theme
Message-ID: <dbf410b30903181651x788d48admbab214eead045395@mail.gmail.com>

I tried to search the mailing list archive, but i kept on timing out. So, my
apologies if this has already been answered.

I have performed a desktop install of moinmoin. Simple enough. And I have
not done any customizations. It is "straight out of the (virtual) box".

There are 3 themes included with moinmoin:  "classic", "modern" and
"rightsidebar". I have tried ALL kinds of things to swap between the three,
so that I can see them.  After reading ALL kinds of material, I cannot
figure out how to do this??? Did I miss something, somewhere??

ty
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From bradeyh at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 20:27:08 2009
From: bradeyh at gmail.com (Bradey Honsinger)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:27:08 -0700
Subject: [Moin-user] Changing default theme
In-Reply-To: <dbf410b30903181651x788d48admbab214eead045395@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dbf410b30903181651x788d48admbab214eead045395@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d89d5920903181727w3625e949g580c431a8e229899@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:51 PM, J Zeiger <jay.zeiger at gmail.com> wrote:
> I tried to search the mailing list archive, but i kept on timing out. So, my
> apologies if this has already been answered.
>
> I have performed a desktop install of moinmoin. Simple enough. And I have
> not done any customizations. It is "straight out of the (virtual) box".
>
> There are 3 themes included with moinmoin:? "classic", "modern" and
> "rightsidebar". I have tried ALL kinds of things to swap between the three,
> so that I can see them.? After reading ALL kinds of material, I cannot
> figure out how to do this??? Did I miss something, somewhere??

If you're logged in, you'll see the theme selected in your user
preferences, not the default theme. When you create a user, the theme
in the new user's preferences is (I believe) copied from the default
at the time.

If that's not it, you'll need to give us more info. What,
specifically, have you tried? What documentation have you been looking
at? What version of Moin are you running?

  - Bradey



From mail at heavy.ch  Thu Mar 19 02:59:14 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:59:14 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Changing default theme
In-Reply-To: <dbf410b30903181651x788d48admbab214eead045395@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dbf410b30903181651x788d48admbab214eead045395@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49C1ED42.3050907@heavy.ch>


J Zeiger schrieb:
> I tried to search the mailing list archive, but i kept on timing out.
> So, my apologies if this has already been answered.
In generaly read/search throught the wiki! For example about
configuration stuff:
 * http://moinmo.in/HelpOnConfiguration#style


> 
> I have performed a desktop install of moinmoin. Simple enough. And I
> have not done any customizations. It is "straight out of the (virtual) box".

you can create an user accout and then switch between installed themes
(only for the current user) or add, for example, theme_default =
"classic" in your wikiconfig.py.

bye
Marcel





From jfl at robinlea.com  Thu Mar 19 05:01:34 2009
From: jfl at robinlea.com (John Francis Lee)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:01:34 +0700
Subject: [Moin-user] logo_string
Message-ID: <49C209EE.7070001@robinlea.com>

I changed
  logo_string = u''
to
  logo_string = u'./images/uspvp-64x64.png'
and that's exactly what shows:

  "./images/uspvp-64x64.png"

in bold type, right where I'd expect the image to be.

Changing to a url specifying the same image file did not work either.

Any hints?

-- 
John Francis Lee
1025/37 Thanon Jet Yod
Mueang Chiangrai 57000



From lists at iDIAcomputing.com  Thu Mar 19 08:15:17 2009
From: lists at iDIAcomputing.com (George Dinwiddie)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:15:17 -0400
Subject: [Moin-user] logo_string
In-Reply-To: <49C209EE.7070001@robinlea.com>
References: <49C209EE.7070001@robinlea.com>
Message-ID: <49C23755.6000407@iDIAcomputing.com>

John Francis Lee wrote:
> I changed
>   logo_string = u''
> to
>   logo_string = u'./images/uspvp-64x64.png'
> and that's exactly what shows:
> 
>   "./images/uspvp-64x64.png"
> 
> in bold type, right where I'd expect the image to be.
> 
> Changing to a url specifying the same image file did not work either.
> 
> Any hints?

I would grep the source for 'logo_string' and look where it is used.

  - George


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From tw-public at gmx.de  Thu Mar 19 11:20:57 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:20:57 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] logo_string
In-Reply-To: <49C209EE.7070001@robinlea.com>
References: <49C209EE.7070001@robinlea.com>
Message-ID: <1237476057.32143.48.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

>   logo_string = u'./images/uspvp-64x64.png'
> Any hints?

Use html.

You find examples in the sample configs in wiki/config/...





From rog7993 at web.de  Thu Mar 19 12:13:35 2009
From: rog7993 at web.de (rog7993 at web.de)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:13:35 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] logo_string
In-Reply-To: <49C209EE.7070001@robinlea.com>
References: <49C209EE.7070001@robinlea.com>
Message-ID: <20090319161334.GB13705@iis.fraunhofer.de>

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 04:01:34PM +0700, John Francis Lee wrote:
> I changed
>   logo_string = u''
> to
>   logo_string = u'./images/uspvp-64x64.png'
> and that's exactly what shows:
> 
>   "./images/uspvp-64x64.png"
> 
> in bold type, right where I'd expect the image to be.

I use something like 

  logo_string = u'<img src="/logo.gif" alt="Logo"></a>'

In fact I use

  logo_string = u'<a href="/"><img src="/logo.gif" alt="Logo"></a>'

Probably this doesn't result in correct HTML code, because MoinMoin
itself (modernized theme) surrounds the logo_string with a "<a
href="..."> tag pointing to the wiki root. But I prefer, that the logo
links to the master wiki in a wiki farm and not to the root of the
particular subwiki. Despite these nested tags aren't elegant or even
incorrect, this construction works as wanted with all browsers, I tested
it with...


Ingo



From rog7993 at web.de  Thu Mar 19 12:23:34 2009
From: rog7993 at web.de (rog7993 at web.de)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:23:34 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] page subscriptions don't work
Message-ID: <20090319162334.GC13705@iis.fraunhofer.de>

Hello,

I can't get page subscriptions to work. In farmconfig.py I tried 

  mail_smarthost = "localhost"

or

  mail_smarthost = "<some SMTP server>" 

or

  mail_sendmail = "/usr/sbin/sendmail"

and 

  mail_from = mail_from = u"noreply at DOMAIN"
  
SMTP authentication isn't necessary.

After page subscription of a single page didn't work, I used the regex
".*" in my preferences. But this doesn't work either. 

Is there a global setting for enabling page subscriptions? I didn't find
this in the documentation?

Ingo



From rb.proj at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 12:26:46 2009
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:26:46 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Changing default theme
In-Reply-To: <dbf410b30903181651x788d48admbab214eead045395@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dbf410b30903181651x788d48admbab214eead045395@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gptro6$gjb$1@ger.gmane.org>

J Zeiger schrieb:
> I tried to search the mailing list archive, but i kept on timing out. So, my
> apologies if this has already been answered.
> 
> I have performed a desktop install of moinmoin. Simple enough. And I have
> not done any customizations. It is "straight out of the (virtual) box".
> 
> There are 3 themes included with moinmoin:  "classic", "modern" and
> "rightsidebar". I have tried ALL kinds of things to swap between the three,
> so that I can see them.  After reading ALL kinds of material, I cannot
> figure out how to do this??? Did I miss something, somewhere??

That sound like an outdated version/installation because current moin
1.8.2 version has 4 themes included.

http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinDownload

tar zxvf moin-1.8.2.tar.gz
cd moin-1.8.2
./wikiserver.py

cheers
Reimar

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> 
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From rb.proj at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 12:30:25 2009
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:30:25 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] logo_string
In-Reply-To: <49C209EE.7070001@robinlea.com>
References: <49C209EE.7070001@robinlea.com>
Message-ID: <gptrv1$gjb$2@ger.gmane.org>

John Francis Lee schrieb:
> I changed
>   logo_string = u''
> to
>   logo_string = u'./images/uspvp-64x64.png'
> and that's exactly what shows:
> 
>   "./images/uspvp-64x64.png"
> 
> in bold type, right where I'd expect the image to be.
> 
> Changing to a url specifying the same image file did not work either.
> 
> Any hints?
> 

"." may be a typo? Because that can't be an alias or ?


Reimar




From tw-public at gmx.de  Thu Mar 19 12:42:25 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:42:25 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] page subscriptions don't work
In-Reply-To: <20090319162334.GC13705@iis.fraunhofer.de>
References: <20090319162334.GC13705@iis.fraunhofer.de>
Message-ID: <1237480945.32143.54.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

> I can't get page subscriptions to work.

You know that moin won't notify you about your own changes?





From tw-public at gmx.de  Thu Mar 19 12:57:42 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:57:42 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Google Summer of Code 2009 participation of MoinMoin
	Wiki project
Message-ID: <1237481862.32143.67.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

Good news!

MoinMoin wiki project will take part in Google Summer of Code 2009.

Thanks to Google for running this successful program!

If you have some time in the summer, there are multiple ways you can
contribute to / take part in our SOC projects:

 * we still need some more MENTORS with good python knowledge and moin
experience giving the students a helping hand.

 * we need STUDENTS (with at least reasonable python experience and
preferably also some moin experience) doing projects. While the formal
application progress hasn't started yet, it is a good idea to contact us
if you want to do a project - on the wiki, on #moin-dev irc channel,
etc.

 * we need the COMMUNITY to help with ideas and feedback.

More details are there: http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2009





From rog7993 at web.de  Thu Mar 19 13:27:56 2009
From: rog7993 at web.de (rog7993 at web.de)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:27:56 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] page subscriptions don't work
In-Reply-To: <1237480945.32143.54.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
References: <20090319162334.GC13705@iis.fraunhofer.de>
	<1237480945.32143.54.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <20090319172756.GD13705@iis.fraunhofer.de>

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 05:42:25PM +0100, Thomas Waldmann wrote:
> > I can't get page subscriptions to work.
> 
> You know that moin won't notify you about your own changes?

Ok. No, I didn't. It works now.

Thanks for this hint.

Ingo



From kai at aplteam.com  Fri Mar 20 03:37:54 2009
From: kai at aplteam.com (kai at aplteam.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:37:54 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] FullSearch macro
Message-ID: <99f673360903200037k678a2a4s38f984357b01a4b2@mail.gmail.com>

Accidentically I found a call to FullSearch using "\b" as parameter.
Obviously this macros has command of some tricks I am not aware of.

However, I cannot find a reference to its parameters in the help file.

Advice is very welcome.

Kai



From mail at heavy.ch  Fri Mar 20 16:36:33 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:36:33 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] FullSearch macro
In-Reply-To: <99f673360903200037k678a2a4s38f984357b01a4b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f673360903200037k678a2a4s38f984357b01a4b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49C3FE51.2060402@heavy.ch>

hi
kai at aplteam.com schrieb:
> Accidentically I found a call to FullSearch using "\b" as parameter.
> Obviously this macros has command of some tricks I am not aware of.
> 
> However, I cannot find a reference to its parameters in the help file.

look here:  http://moinmo.in/HelpOnSearching  for search help

bye
Marcel




From waqas805 at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 23 09:34:24 2009
From: waqas805 at hotmail.com (waqas ahmad)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:34:24 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] variable in template for acl
Message-ID: <BAY111-W2CC921E334C606CA6155F87920@phx.gbl>


Hi, 
 
i have used "@ME@" variable with acl for my template.like this
 
#acl @ME@:read,write,revert,delete -All:
 
The probelm is that, when user without admin rights use this template and save the contents, then page does not save the contents. It says, 
You can't change ACLs on this page since you have no admin rights on it! .
 

Can you tell me please that how can i use variable with acl and save the page without admin rights.

 
 
Thanks a lot. 
 
Best Regards, 
 
Waqas Ahmad


 
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From rb.proj at gmail.com  Mon Mar 23 11:42:06 2009
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:42:06 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] variable in template for acl
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-W2CC921E334C606CA6155F87920@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY111-W2CC921E334C606CA6155F87920@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <gq8ake$7m7$1@ger.gmane.org>

waqas ahmad schrieb:
> Hi, 
>  
> i have used "@ME@" variable with acl for my template.like this
>  
> #acl @ME@:read,write,revert,delete -All:
>  
> The probelm is that, when user without admin rights use this template and save the contents, then page does not save the contents. It says, 
> You can't change ACLs on this page since you have no admin rights on it! .
>  
> 
> Can you tell me please that how can i use variable with acl and save the page without admin rights.


You need hierarchical acls and admin rights inherited from the parent
page. Then the user is allowed to change admin rights on the child page
until he saved that page.

Without hierarchical acls and no default admin right it is not possible
otherwise everyone could change acls.

cheers
Reimar









> 
>  
>  
> Thanks a lot. 
>  
> Best Regards, 
>  
> Waqas Ahmad
> 
> 
>  
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From fpiat at klabs.be  Mon Mar 23 16:22:04 2009
From: fpiat at klabs.be (Frank Lin PIAT)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:22:04 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] (ab)Using Admonitions to implement sidebar
Message-ID: <1237839724.5053.771.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>

Hello,

It seems that it is be possible to implement a sidebar using the
Admonition logic.
You can see an example in [1]. The typical wiki code and CSS are below.

What do you think about it?
I could work on a patch if you are interested.

Franklin


### SAMPLE CODE ###
{{{#!wiki sidebar
'''New call for test'''
 Test1 :: Foo
 Test2 :: Bar.
}}}
####


[1] http://www.klabs.be/debian-wiki-dev/AdmonitionsAsSidebar
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From mail at heavy.ch  Mon Mar 23 17:20:27 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:20:27 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] (ab)Using Admonitions to implement sidebar
In-Reply-To: <1237839724.5053.771.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
References: <1237839724.5053.771.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
Message-ID: <49C7FD1B.6060105@heavy.ch>

Frank Lin PIAT schrieb:
> Hello,
> 
> It seems that it is be possible to implement a sidebar using the
> Admonition logic.
> You can see an example in [1]. The typical wiki code and CSS are below.
> 
> What do you think about it?
> I could work on a patch if you are interested.
> 
> Franklin
> 
> 
> ### SAMPLE CODE ###
> {{{#!wiki sidebar
> '''New call for test'''
>  Test1 :: Foo
>  Test2 :: Bar.
> }}}
> ####
> 

this is not specially a "admonitions" stuff, you just can use a html or
wiki parser and add to the div tag some classes and then give those
div's a style with css. I also use css like left, right, fancy, etcetera
and then you can write "{{{#!wiki sidebar right fancy".

btw. this adding css classes also works for embedded / included
attachment (like images) {{attachment:images.png|alt text|class=photo left}}

I think - if you want to have the same sidebar content on many pages,
then it is, in my eyes, better to use some theme based sidebar stuff,
like the gugiel theme is using: http:/moinmo.in/ThemeMarket/Gugiel). the
benefit is also that you just need to set a #pragma and have single page
for the sidebar stuff. it's also even possible to define a default for
all pages.

Also to know... don't forget to make some print css and maybe take a
look how the pages looks without css (so you be sure that you still have
some useful structure in your wiki page. Be also aware that this stuff
maybe not working together with docbook exporting.

soo enough, hope it helps a bit
bye
Marcel





From dcramer at motive.com  Mon Mar 23 17:23:08 2009
From: dcramer at motive.com (David Cramer)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:23:08 -0500
Subject: [Moin-user] (ab)Using Admonitions to implement sidebar
In-Reply-To: <1237839724.5053.771.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
References: <1237839724.5053.771.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
Message-ID: <FB148FC5FBB82F4DA4509D8F7A73AE65034A5C18@bellagio.motive.com>

I wouldn't call that abusing. My sense is that that markup was intended
to be extensible. I've often thought that it could be used to enrich the
semantics in other places as well and so improve the DocBook output:

{{{#!wiki procedure
'''To do this that and the other thing'''
 1. Do this.
 2. Do that.
 3. Do the other thing.
}}}

Which when rendered as DocBook would become:

<procedure>
 <title>To do this that and the other thing</title>
 <step><para>Do this.</para></step>
 <step><para>Do that.</para></step>
 <step><para>Do the other thing.</para></step>
</procedure>

Then you might also have a ListProcedures macro that lists all the
procedures (filterable in various ways) in the wiki. Your sidebar would
turn into a <sidebar> element in DocBook :-)

It would be nice if there were some way to add things that become
attributes in the DocBook output, but I suspect that would go too far
beyond what wiki markup is intended to be.

David

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Lin PIAT [mailto:fpiat at klabs.be] 
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:22 PM
> To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Moin-user] (ab)Using Admonitions to implement sidebar
> 
> Hello,
> 
> It seems that it is be possible to implement a sidebar using 
> the Admonition logic.
> You can see an example in [1]. The typical wiki code and CSS 
> are below.
> 
> What do you think about it?
> I could work on a patch if you are interested.
> 
> Franklin
> 
> 
> ### SAMPLE CODE ###
> {{{#!wiki sidebar
> '''New call for test'''
>  Test1 :: Foo
>  Test2 :: Bar.
> }}}
> ####
> 
> 
> [1] http://www.klabs.be/debian-wiki-dev/AdmonitionsAsSidebar
> 



From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Mar 24 04:34:20 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:34:20 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Thanks! ...now another question
In-Reply-To: <49C0E6D9.40509@robinlea.com>
References: <49C0E6D9.40509@robinlea.com>
Message-ID: <1237883660.22782.16.camel@x300>

> # Creating the WSGI application
> # use shared=True to have moin serve the builtin static docs
> # use shared=False to not have moin serve static docs
> # use shared='/my/path/to/htdocs' to serve static docs from that path
> application = make_application(shared=True)
> #application = 
> make_application(shared='/home/jfl/www/uspvp.org/wiki/moin_static190')
> #application = make_application(shared=False)
> </quote>
> 
> I had set shared=False, because the other two hadn't worked with the 
> flawed farmconfig.py But with farmconfig.py fixed shared=False wouldn't 
> work, so I tried the other two in turn.

I need more information about the "not working". What did it (not) do
exactly?

> What does "serve the builtin static docs" mean?

When looking at the distribution archive, the stuff that used to be
located in wiki/htdocs (up to 1.8) moved to MoinMoin/web/static/htdocs
(1.9), and there is some new code in 1.9 to serve the static files (css,
images, js) via a automatically setup wsgi static file server
middleware. We had a similar static file server in 1.8 and before, but
just for the standalone server (not for apache or other external web
server deployments).

> I had made a symbolic link in my wiki directory from
>   /home/jfl/www/uspvp.org/wiki/moin_static190
> to
>   /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MoinMoin/web/static/htdocs/
> thinking that the "builtin static docs" resided there. But then
>   shared='/home/jfl/www/uspvp.org/wiki/moin_static190'
> would work, wouldn't it?

If you just want to serve the builtin static files via the builtin
static file server, the shared=True option is the easiest way.

> What exactly are the static files? templates?
png, css, js, java applet

> if they are real static 
> files the I'd want apache to serve them (share=False), right?

You MAY do that, but you do not NEED to. Assuming that client side
caching happens, the builtin server should be fast enough.





From gunter.matella at catenic.com  Tue Mar 24 10:36:20 2009
From: gunter.matella at catenic.com (Matella, Gunter)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:36:20 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Problem with Version 1.8.2 and page templates
Message-ID: <3120504679BF6C4AB44528A4278EEFCA1546B891@winxbede03.exchange.xchg>

Hello,

I have updated our wiki form 1.6 to 1.8.2. All works fine except one thing:
If I creates a new page, I do not see any page template for selection!
There exists a lot of pages of kind 'XyzTemplate' (form the 1.6 version where we used this heavily) but none of this pages will be shown as possible page template !

Our 'page_template_regex' in wikiconfig.py is: page_template_regex = u'[a-z]Template$'

Any idea?

Greetings,

Gunter



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From rb.proj at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 11:07:17 2009
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:07:17 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Problem with Version 1.8.2 and page templates
In-Reply-To: <3120504679BF6C4AB44528A4278EEFCA1546B891@winxbede03.exchange.xchg>
References: <3120504679BF6C4AB44528A4278EEFCA1546B891@winxbede03.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <gqasv5$s3m$1@ger.gmane.org>

Matella, Gunter schrieb:
> Hello,
> 
> I have updated our wiki form 1.6 to 1.8.2. All works fine except one thing:
> If I creates a new page, I do not see any page template for selection!
> There exists a lot of pages of kind 'XyzTemplate' (form the 1.6 version where we used this heavily) but none of this pages will be shown as possible page template !
> 
> Our 'page_template_regex' in wikiconfig.py is: page_template_regex = u'[a-z]Template$'
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Gunter
> 

Hi

you may read in docs/CHANGES the HINTs until V 1.6. or also online at
http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.8/file/tip/docs/CHANGES
e.g. line +445

and also docs/UPDATE.html

I guess all of your page_*_regex definitions are too old and wrong. They
were changed to fix the category search.


cheers
Reimar











> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development
> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging.
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From dirk.fieremans at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 05:33:09 2009
From: dirk.fieremans at gmail.com (Dirk Fieremans)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:33:09 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] MoinMoin virtual appliance
Message-ID: <6a23418f0903250233v5bed9061u6fbae70dcdae905a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm currently reviewing whether I could use MoinMoin as our corporate
Wiki/Intranet.
As we use virtualisation very strongly, I was interested to know whether the
MoinMoin virtual appliance is still maintained.

We run VMWare ESX 3.5.

I noticed you have a package, but it seems very outdated (2007).

Is it available in a newer release? We have very little spare (human)
capacity to spend much time on configuring the engine.

regards,
Dirk
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From mail at heavy.ch  Wed Mar 25 15:33:27 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:33:27 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] MoinMoin virtual appliance
In-Reply-To: <6a23418f0903250233v5bed9061u6fbae70dcdae905a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a23418f0903250233v5bed9061u6fbae70dcdae905a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49CA8707.40907@heavy.ch>

Dirk Fieremans schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm currently reviewing whether I could use MoinMoin as our corporate
> Wiki/Intranet.
> As we use virtualisation very strongly, I was interested to know whether
> the MoinMoin virtual appliance is still maintained.
like you said, 2007 is very outdated! don't use it!
> 
> We run VMWare ESX 3.5.
> 
> I noticed you have a package, but it seems very outdated (2007).
yes; I'm building now on a virtualbox a virtual maschine with
debian/ubuntu, xapian search, etcetera.. but due my spare time this will
take weeks :-(
> 
> Is it available in a newer release? We have very little spare (human)
> capacity to spend much time on configuring the engine.

for your luck, you also can easily download the current moinmoin, unpack
this and start directly the wiki with the build-in server, like:
./wikiserver.py (it will listen on localhost with port 8080. so that's
fine enough to try something (only drawback is, that xapian - the fast
search is not installed)

read here: http://moinmo.in/DesktopEdition


> 
> regards,
> Dirk
> 
bye
Marcel



From szybalski at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 17:23:39 2009
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:23:39 -0500
Subject: [Moin-user] include outside moin wiki pages
Message-ID: <804e5c70903251423s1cd4c902q1bdbfd2465efe6e3@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
Is it possible to include outside wiki pages into my wiki page?

I have a wiki that runs here: http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/  and I
would like to include some of the pages from http://wiki.debian.org/
but I'm not sure how can that be done?

include() seems to only work on local pages.

Thanks,
Lucas

-- 
How to create python package?
http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/PythonPaste
DataHub - create a package that gets, parses, loads, visualizes data
http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/DataHub



From stellars at interia.pl  Wed Mar 25 17:39:21 2009
From: stellars at interia.pl (Konrad Jelen)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:39:21 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] include outside moin wiki pages
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70903251423s1cd4c902q1bdbfd2465efe6e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70903251423s1cd4c902q1bdbfd2465efe6e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88B5B8A3-79D6-463B-AD80-D6DD2E6215B9@interia.pl>

Hi,

Sure it is possible!

there has been a macro created already. It's called  
IncludeUrlContentWiki on MacroMarket.

Cheers,
Stell

On 25 Mar 2009, at 22:23, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:

> Hello,
> Is it possible to include outside wiki pages into my wiki page?
>
> I have a wiki that runs here: http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/  and I
> would like to include some of the pages from http://wiki.debian.org/
> but I'm not sure how can that be done?
>
> include() seems to only work on local pages.
>
> Thanks,
> Lucas
>
> -- 
> How to create python package?
> http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/PythonPaste
> DataHub - create a package that gets, parses, loads, visualizes data
> http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/DataHub
>
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From dirk.fieremans at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 17:53:49 2009
From: dirk.fieremans at gmail.com (Dirk Fieremans)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:53:49 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Fwd:  MoinMoin virtual appliance
In-Reply-To: <6a23418f0903251452p2498c2a7jf1dae9eeaeff1af8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a23418f0903250233v5bed9061u6fbae70dcdae905a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49CA8707.40907@heavy.ch>
	<6a23418f0903251452p2498c2a7jf1dae9eeaeff1af8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a23418f0903251453h36d1a2abof41243c43405fb8f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Marcel,

thanks for the info! I installed the desktop-version at home on Ubuntu and
that went fine. (literally 5 minutes job).
At work, I wanted to install it properly, but we mainly have Windows
knowledge. I would prefer though to run it on Linux. As I lack time to play
with Apache, MySQL,... it would be great if I could just install a
pre-configured VMWare image that contains a running environment with
everything on it (Python,...). I have no preferences on what Linux brand is
used, I only want to use the MoinMoin engine to start publishing content
asap.
Perhaps I shuld just buy some support hours and get the experts to do it for
me [?]

cheers,
Dirk


2009/3/25 Mail at Heavy.ch <mail at heavy.ch>

Dirk Fieremans schrieb:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm currently reviewing whether I could use MoinMoin as our corporate
> > Wiki/Intranet.
> > As we use virtualisation very strongly, I was interested to know whether
> > the MoinMoin virtual appliance is still maintained.
> like you said, 2007 is very outdated! don't use it!
> >
> > We run VMWare ESX 3.5.
> >
> > I noticed you have a package, but it seems very outdated (2007).
> yes; I'm building now on a virtualbox a virtual maschine with
> debian/ubuntu, xapian search, etcetera.. but due my spare time this will
> take weeks :-(
> >
> > Is it available in a newer release? We have very little spare (human)
> > capacity to spend much time on configuring the engine.
>
> for your luck, you also can easily download the current moinmoin, unpack
> this and start directly the wiki with the build-in server, like:
> ./wikiserver.py (it will listen on localhost with port 8080. so that's
> fine enough to try something (only drawback is, that xapian - the fast
> search is not installed)
>
> read here: http://moinmo.in/DesktopEdition
>
>
> >
> > regards,
> > Dirk
> >
> bye
> Marcel
>
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From rick.vanderveer at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 18:13:30 2009
From: rick.vanderveer at gmail.com (Rick Vanderveer)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:13:30 -0500
Subject: [Moin-user] Fwd: MoinMoin virtual appliance
In-Reply-To: <6a23418f0903251453h36d1a2abof41243c43405fb8f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a23418f0903250233v5bed9061u6fbae70dcdae905a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49CA8707.40907@heavy.ch>
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	<6a23418f0903251453h36d1a2abof41243c43405fb8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c39e1ca0903251513w510f1045x7ec6b898c087b8ec@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Dirk,
Moin basically has one single dependency; Python.  Python is a simple "click
next" install for Windows.  If you want to start entering content
immediately, I'll parrot what Marcel said and suggest starting with the
desktop edition.  That's all that's needed, Python and MoinMoin.  No Apache,
no MySQL.  It's pretty trivial to customize the port so that it's running on
the standard port 80 for your web users.  You'll likely find that for a
small workgroup, performance isn't that bad even.

Then, as it grows, you can explore building a proper server box that
leverages the capabilities of Apache later on (faster performance, and
Apache-features such as Domain Authentication (you mentioned you're mostly
Windows-based), etc).  It will be easy to copy over your content pages from
your standalone desktop edition into a server edition.

Just my 2-cents...

-Rick



On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Dirk Fieremans <dirk.fieremans at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Hi Marcel,
>
> thanks for the info! I installed the desktop-version at home on Ubuntu and
> that went fine. (literally 5 minutes job).
> At work, I wanted to install it properly, but we mainly have Windows
> knowledge. I would prefer though to run it on Linux. As I lack time to play
> with Apache, MySQL,... it would be great if I could just install a
> pre-configured VMWare image that contains a running environment with
> everything on it (Python,...). I have no preferences on what Linux brand is
> used, I only want to use the MoinMoin engine to start publishing content
> asap.
> Perhaps I shuld just buy some support hours and get the experts to do it
> for me [?]
>
> cheers,
> Dirk
>
>
> 2009/3/25 Mail at Heavy.ch <mail at heavy.ch>
>
> Dirk Fieremans schrieb:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm currently reviewing whether I could use MoinMoin as our corporate
>> > Wiki/Intranet.
>> > As we use virtualisation very strongly, I was interested to know whether
>> > the MoinMoin virtual appliance is still maintained.
>> like you said, 2007 is very outdated! don't use it!
>> >
>> > We run VMWare ESX 3.5.
>> >
>> > I noticed you have a package, but it seems very outdated (2007).
>> yes; I'm building now on a virtualbox a virtual maschine with
>> debian/ubuntu, xapian search, etcetera.. but due my spare time this will
>> take weeks :-(
>> >
>> > Is it available in a newer release? We have very little spare (human)
>> > capacity to spend much time on configuring the engine.
>>
>> for your luck, you also can easily download the current moinmoin, unpack
>> this and start directly the wiki with the build-in server, like:
>> ./wikiserver.py (it will listen on localhost with port 8080. so that's
>> fine enough to try something (only drawback is, that xapian - the fast
>> search is not installed)
>>
>> read here: http://moinmo.in/DesktopEdition
>>
>>
>> >
>> > regards,
>> > Dirk
>> >
>> bye
>> Marcel
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/moin-user
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From dirk.fieremans at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 18:28:47 2009
From: dirk.fieremans at gmail.com (Dirk Fieremans)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:28:47 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Fwd: MoinMoin virtual appliance & general strategy
Message-ID: <6a23418f0903251528n3bec71a9mc04e9e6952e4c705@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rick,

I think I'll follow your advice!

I found some good documents to do the technical installation, but do you
know whether something is available on how you actually tackle a MoinMoin
project?

We would like to use it for 2 parts:
- a wiki where IT information is made available to the endusers
- an intranet to share general information

I absolutely want to avoid that it becomes a structure-less mess. I chose
MoinMoin mainly because the comparison-matrix shows it can support wiki &
intranet. (what's the technical difference?). For some of teh sections I
will have to implement security on the pages (preferably with AD
authentication), is this easy to implement?

to make a long story short, I guess I'm looking for some kind of tips&tricks
to get going in a structured way.
I'm browsing through a lot of fora (on whatever wiki-brand) to get ideas
from people that already did it.

cheers,
Dirk

2009/3/25 Rick Vanderveer <rick.vanderveer at gmail.com>

> Hey Dirk,
> Moin basically has one single dependency; Python.  Python is a simple
> "click next" install for Windows.  If you want to start entering content
> immediately, I'll parrot what Marcel said and suggest starting with the
> desktop edition.  That's all that's needed, Python and MoinMoin.  No Apache,
> no MySQL.  It's pretty trivial to customize the port so that it's running on
> the standard port 80 for your web users.  You'll likely find that for a
> small workgroup, performance isn't that bad even.
>
> Then, as it grows, you can explore building a proper server box that
> leverages the capabilities of Apache later on (faster performance, and
> Apache-features such as Domain Authentication (you mentioned you're mostly
> Windows-based), etc).  It will be easy to copy over your content pages from
> your standalone desktop edition into a server edition.
>
> Just my 2-cents...
>
> -Rick
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Dirk Fieremans <dirk.fieremans at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Marcel,
>>
>> thanks for the info! I installed the desktop-version at home on Ubuntu and
>> that went fine. (literally 5 minutes job).
>> At work, I wanted to install it properly, but we mainly have Windows
>> knowledge. I would prefer though to run it on Linux. As I lack time to play
>> with Apache, MySQL,... it would be great if I could just install a
>> pre-configured VMWare image that contains a running environment with
>> everything on it (Python,...). I have no preferences on what Linux brand is
>> used, I only want to use the MoinMoin engine to start publishing content
>> asap.
>> Perhaps I shuld just buy some support hours and get the experts to do it
>> for me [?]
>>
>> cheers,
>> Dirk
>>
>>
>> 2009/3/25 Mail at Heavy.ch <mail at heavy.ch>
>>
>> Dirk Fieremans schrieb:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I'm currently reviewing whether I could use MoinMoin as our corporate
>>> > Wiki/Intranet.
>>> > As we use virtualisation very strongly, I was interested to know
>>> whether
>>> > the MoinMoin virtual appliance is still maintained.
>>> like you said, 2007 is very outdated! don't use it!
>>> >
>>> > We run VMWare ESX 3.5.
>>> >
>>> > I noticed you have a package, but it seems very outdated (2007).
>>> yes; I'm building now on a virtualbox a virtual maschine with
>>> debian/ubuntu, xapian search, etcetera.. but due my spare time this will
>>> take weeks :-(
>>> >
>>> > Is it available in a newer release? We have very little spare (human)
>>> > capacity to spend much time on configuring the engine.
>>>
>>> for your luck, you also can easily download the current moinmoin, unpack
>>> this and start directly the wiki with the build-in server, like:
>>> ./wikiserver.py (it will listen on localhost with port 8080. so that's
>>> fine enough to try something (only drawback is, that xapian - the fast
>>> search is not installed)
>>>
>>> read here: http://moinmo.in/DesktopEdition
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > regards,
>>> > Dirk
>>> >
>>> bye
>>> Marcel
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Moin-user mailing list
>> Moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/moin-user
>>
>>
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From rick.vanderveer at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 19:23:08 2009
From: rick.vanderveer at gmail.com (Rick Vanderveer)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:23:08 -0500
Subject: [Moin-user] Fwd: MoinMoin virtual appliance & general strategy
In-Reply-To: <5c39e1ca0903251619w1b4ffcd1k2f695ed431fa241d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a23418f0903251528n3bec71a9mc04e9e6952e4c705@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c39e1ca0903251619w1b4ffcd1k2f695ed431fa241d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c39e1ca0903251623x8514aa1nd3c0c9dd26f86d1@mail.gmail.com>

[sent again, this time without attachment.  Thomas, feel free to delete
first email]

Hey Dirk,
MoinMoin supports what's called a wiki-farm.  The best way to think of this
is much like how Apache (or IIS, if that's your flavor) supports
VirtualHosts (i.e. you can have completely different sites and domains all
hosted from one single box running Apache).  Like Apache, Moin in this
configuration will have a master configuration file, with separate
site-specific config files that have different settings from the other
sites.  These different settings can encompass anything from a different
theme (look & feel), to authentication, to just about anything.

In my case, for our company I have a 'main' wiki which has all of our
general info (everything from self-sorting phone lists (thanks to the
excellent SortBy macro http://moinmo.in/MacroMarket/SortBy), to IT-related
stuff, to general Office FAQs.  Then I separate out each client project onto
it's own wiki (because it's all templatized, I just have to duplicate a
generic wiki I've set up, then make some small tweaks). Each client is
separate because obviously the work we do for each client is similar, but
when searching you only want results that pertain to that client.

That was a long way of saying, "yes, moin can support an intranet and
extranet, if you want".  :-)

I help maintain (or in some cases wrote) the "Moin on Windows" pages on the
HowTo section of moinmo.in.  Pages that you may be interested in
(eventually):

http://moinmo.in/HowTo/WindowsWithApacheServer  (basic Apache/Moin install)
http://moinmo.in/HowTo/ApacheWithModWSGI  (how to configure a Python
accelerator)
http://moinmo.in/HowTo/WindowsDomainAuthentication
http://moinmo.in/HowTo/backUpOnWindows


-Rick



> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Dirk Fieremans <dirk.fieremans at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Rick,
>>
>> I think I'll follow your advice!
>>
>> I found some good documents to do the technical installation, but do you
>> know whether something is available on how you actually tackle a MoinMoin
>> project?
>>
>> We would like to use it for 2 parts:
>> - a wiki where IT information is made available to the endusers
>> - an intranet to share general information
>>
>> I absolutely want to avoid that it becomes a structure-less mess. I chose
>> MoinMoin mainly because the comparison-matrix shows it can support wiki &
>> intranet. (what's the technical difference?). For some of teh sections I
>> will have to implement security on the pages (preferably with AD
>> authentication), is this easy to implement?
>>
>> to make a long story short, I guess I'm looking for some kind of
>> tips&tricks to get going in a structured way.
>> I'm browsing through a lot of fora (on whatever wiki-brand) to get ideas
>> from people that already did it.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Dirk
>>
>> 2009/3/25 Rick Vanderveer <rick.vanderveer at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hey Dirk,
>>> Moin basically has one single dependency; Python.  Python is a simple
>>> "click next" install for Windows.  If you want to start entering content
>>> immediately, I'll parrot what Marcel said and suggest starting with the
>>> desktop edition.  That's all that's needed, Python and MoinMoin.  No Apache,
>>> no MySQL.  It's pretty trivial to customize the port so that it's running on
>>> the standard port 80 for your web users.  You'll likely find that for a
>>> small workgroup, performance isn't that bad even.
>>>
>>> Then, as it grows, you can explore building a proper server box that
>>> leverages the capabilities of Apache later on (faster performance, and
>>> Apache-features such as Domain Authentication (you mentioned you're mostly
>>> Windows-based), etc).  It will be easy to copy over your content pages from
>>> your standalone desktop edition into a server edition.
>>>
>>> Just my 2-cents...
>>>
>>> -Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Dirk Fieremans <
>>> dirk.fieremans at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Marcel,
>>>>
>>>> thanks for the info! I installed the desktop-version at home on Ubuntu
>>>> and that went fine. (literally 5 minutes job).
>>>> At work, I wanted to install it properly, but we mainly have Windows
>>>> knowledge. I would prefer though to run it on Linux. As I lack time to play
>>>> with Apache, MySQL,... it would be great if I could just install a
>>>> pre-configured VMWare image that contains a running environment with
>>>> everything on it (Python,...). I have no preferences on what Linux brand is
>>>> used, I only want to use the MoinMoin engine to start publishing content
>>>> asap.
>>>> Perhaps I shuld just buy some support hours and get the experts to do it
>>>> for me [?]
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Dirk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/3/25 Mail at Heavy.ch <mail at heavy.ch>
>>>>
>>>> Dirk Fieremans schrieb:
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'm currently reviewing whether I could use MoinMoin as our corporate
>>>>> > Wiki/Intranet.
>>>>> > As we use virtualisation very strongly, I was interested to know
>>>>> whether
>>>>> > the MoinMoin virtual appliance is still maintained.
>>>>> like you said, 2007 is very outdated! don't use it!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We run VMWare ESX 3.5.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I noticed you have a package, but it seems very outdated (2007).
>>>>> yes; I'm building now on a virtualbox a virtual maschine with
>>>>> debian/ubuntu, xapian search, etcetera.. but due my spare time this
>>>>> will
>>>>> take weeks :-(
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is it available in a newer release? We have very little spare (human)
>>>>> > capacity to spend much time on configuring the engine.
>>>>>
>>>>> for your luck, you also can easily download the current moinmoin,
>>>>> unpack
>>>>> this and start directly the wiki with the build-in server, like:
>>>>> ./wikiserver.py (it will listen on localhost with port 8080. so that's
>>>>> fine enough to try something (only drawback is, that xapian - the fast
>>>>> search is not installed)
>>>>>
>>>>> read here: http://moinmo.in/DesktopEdition
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > regards,
>>>>> > Dirk
>>>>> >
>>>>> bye
>>>>> Marcel
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Moin-user mailing list
>>>> Moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/moin-user
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From rick.vanderveer at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 19:19:51 2009
From: rick.vanderveer at gmail.com (Rick Vanderveer)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:19:51 -0500
Subject: [Moin-user] Fwd: MoinMoin virtual appliance & general strategy
In-Reply-To: <6a23418f0903251528n3bec71a9mc04e9e6952e4c705@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a23418f0903251528n3bec71a9mc04e9e6952e4c705@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c39e1ca0903251619w1b4ffcd1k2f695ed431fa241d@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Dirk,
MoinMoin supports what's called a wiki-farm.  The best way to think of this
is much like how Apache (or IIS, if that's your flavor) supports
VirtualHosts (i.e. you can have completely different sites and domains all
hosted from one single box running Apache).  Like Apache, Moin in this
configuration will have a master configuration file, with separate
site-specific config files that have different settings from the other
sites.  These different settings can encompass anything from a different
theme (look & feel), to authentication, to just about anything.

In my case, for our company I have a 'main' wiki which has all of our
general info (everything from self-sorting phone lists (thanks to the
excellent SortBy macro http://moinmo.in/MacroMarket/SortBy), to IT-related
stuff, to general Office FAQs.  Then I separate out each client project onto
it's own wiki (because it's all templatized, I just have to duplicate a
generic wiki I've set up, then make some small tweaks). Each client is
separate because obviously the work we do for each client is similar, but
when searching you only want results that pertain to that client.

That was a long way of saying, "yes, moin can support an intranet and
extranet, if you want".  :-)

I help maintain (or in some cases wrote) the "Moin on Windows" pages on the
HowTo section of moinmo.in.  Pages that you may be interested in
(eventually):

http://moinmo.in/HowTo/WindowsWithApacheServer  (basic Apache/Moin install)
http://moinmo.in/HowTo/ApacheWithModWSGI  (how to configure a Python
accelerator)
http://moinmo.in/HowTo/WindowsDomainAuthentication
http://moinmo.in/HowTo/backUpOnWindows

As an example, attached is a screenshot of the theme we developed internally
(it's not on the ThemeMarket page yet because it's not ready for primetime,
but hopefully will be soon).

-Rick



On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Dirk Fieremans <dirk.fieremans at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
> I think I'll follow your advice!
>
> I found some good documents to do the technical installation, but do you
> know whether something is available on how you actually tackle a MoinMoin
> project?
>
> We would like to use it for 2 parts:
> - a wiki where IT information is made available to the endusers
> - an intranet to share general information
>
> I absolutely want to avoid that it becomes a structure-less mess. I chose
> MoinMoin mainly because the comparison-matrix shows it can support wiki &
> intranet. (what's the technical difference?). For some of teh sections I
> will have to implement security on the pages (preferably with AD
> authentication), is this easy to implement?
>
> to make a long story short, I guess I'm looking for some kind of
> tips&tricks to get going in a structured way.
> I'm browsing through a lot of fora (on whatever wiki-brand) to get ideas
> from people that already did it.
>
> cheers,
> Dirk
>
> 2009/3/25 Rick Vanderveer <rick.vanderveer at gmail.com>
>
>> Hey Dirk,
>> Moin basically has one single dependency; Python.  Python is a simple
>> "click next" install for Windows.  If you want to start entering content
>> immediately, I'll parrot what Marcel said and suggest starting with the
>> desktop edition.  That's all that's needed, Python and MoinMoin.  No Apache,
>> no MySQL.  It's pretty trivial to customize the port so that it's running on
>> the standard port 80 for your web users.  You'll likely find that for a
>> small workgroup, performance isn't that bad even.
>>
>> Then, as it grows, you can explore building a proper server box that
>> leverages the capabilities of Apache later on (faster performance, and
>> Apache-features such as Domain Authentication (you mentioned you're mostly
>> Windows-based), etc).  It will be easy to copy over your content pages from
>> your standalone desktop edition into a server edition.
>>
>> Just my 2-cents...
>>
>> -Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Dirk Fieremans <dirk.fieremans at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Marcel,
>>>
>>> thanks for the info! I installed the desktop-version at home on Ubuntu
>>> and that went fine. (literally 5 minutes job).
>>> At work, I wanted to install it properly, but we mainly have Windows
>>> knowledge. I would prefer though to run it on Linux. As I lack time to play
>>> with Apache, MySQL,... it would be great if I could just install a
>>> pre-configured VMWare image that contains a running environment with
>>> everything on it (Python,...). I have no preferences on what Linux brand is
>>> used, I only want to use the MoinMoin engine to start publishing content
>>> asap.
>>> Perhaps I shuld just buy some support hours and get the experts to do it
>>> for me [?]
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Dirk
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/3/25 Mail at Heavy.ch <mail at heavy.ch>
>>>
>>> Dirk Fieremans schrieb:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm currently reviewing whether I could use MoinMoin as our corporate
>>>> > Wiki/Intranet.
>>>> > As we use virtualisation very strongly, I was interested to know
>>>> whether
>>>> > the MoinMoin virtual appliance is still maintained.
>>>> like you said, 2007 is very outdated! don't use it!
>>>> >
>>>> > We run VMWare ESX 3.5.
>>>> >
>>>> > I noticed you have a package, but it seems very outdated (2007).
>>>> yes; I'm building now on a virtualbox a virtual maschine with
>>>> debian/ubuntu, xapian search, etcetera.. but due my spare time this will
>>>> take weeks :-(
>>>> >
>>>> > Is it available in a newer release? We have very little spare (human)
>>>> > capacity to spend much time on configuring the engine.
>>>>
>>>> for your luck, you also can easily download the current moinmoin, unpack
>>>> this and start directly the wiki with the build-in server, like:
>>>> ./wikiserver.py (it will listen on localhost with port 8080. so that's
>>>> fine enough to try something (only drawback is, that xapian - the fast
>>>> search is not installed)
>>>>
>>>> read here: http://moinmo.in/DesktopEdition
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > regards,
>>>> > Dirk
>>>> >
>>>> bye
>>>> Marcel
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
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From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Thu Mar 26 07:46:48 2009
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:46:48 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Fwd:  MoinMoin virtual appliance
In-Reply-To: <6a23418f0903251453h36d1a2abof41243c43405fb8f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a23418f0903250233v5bed9061u6fbae70dcdae905a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49CA8707.40907@heavy.ch>
	<6a23418f0903251452p2498c2a7jf1dae9eeaeff1af8@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a23418f0903251453h36d1a2abof41243c43405fb8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1238068008.8886.21.camel@x300>

Hi Dirk,

> At work, I wanted to install it properly, but we mainly have Windows
> knowledge. I would prefer though to run it on Linux.

I strongly recommend to use linux. The result will usually run faster,
more stable and with less issues.

It is also easier for some 3rd party to create VM images for it, because
there won't be licensing and distribution problems.

> As I lack time to play with Apache, MySQL,... it would be great if I
> could just install a pre-configured VMWare image that contains a
> running environment with everything on it (Python,...).

Good idea. :)

If the VM software authors could agree on some common disk image format,
I guess this would be easier and more useful.

I currently run virtualbox on my machines, but I never tried to convert
its *.vdi to *.vmdk.

> I have no preferences on what Linux brand is used, I only want to use
> the MoinMoin engine to start publishing content asap.
> Perhaps I shuld just buy some support hours and get the experts to do
> it for me.

You're lucky, we can offer that since a week, see:

http://moinmo.in/Support

Cheers,

Thomas





From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Thu Mar 26 07:59:48 2009
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:59:48 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Fwd:  MoinMoin virtual appliance
In-Reply-To: <6a23418f0903251453h36d1a2abof41243c43405fb8f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a23418f0903250233v5bed9061u6fbae70dcdae905a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49CA8707.40907@heavy.ch>
	<6a23418f0903251452p2498c2a7jf1dae9eeaeff1af8@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a23418f0903251453h36d1a2abof41243c43405fb8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1238068788.8886.24.camel@x300>

Hmm, looks like qemu-img can create a .vmdk image file and virtualbox
can even directly use that.

If you want to do some testing whether that works on your vmware
version, we could test that with a debian 5.0 base install.





From szybalski at gmail.com  Thu Mar 26 09:47:06 2009
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:47:06 -0500
Subject: [Moin-user] include outside moin wiki pages
In-Reply-To: <88B5B8A3-79D6-463B-AD80-D6DD2E6215B9@interia.pl>
References: <804e5c70903251423s1cd4c902q1bdbfd2465efe6e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<88B5B8A3-79D6-463B-AD80-D6DD2E6215B9@interia.pl>
Message-ID: <804e5c70903260647t51678181n8203c49d0bbafd48@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Konrad Jelen <stellars at interia.pl> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sure it is possible!
>
> there has been a macro created already. It's called IncludeUrlContentWiki on

Is there a version for 1.7 or 1.5? I have 1.5 in my old debian stable,
I see I am due for upgrade, but the current debian stable has 1.7.
http://moinmo.in/MacroMarket/IncludeUrlContentWiki seem to have 1.6 or 1.8


Thanks,
Lucas

> MacroMarket.
>
> Cheers,
> Stell
>
> On 25 Mar 2009, at 22:23, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Is it possible to include outside wiki pages into my wiki page?
>>
>> I have a wiki that runs here: http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/ ?and I
>> would like to include some of the pages from http://wiki.debian.org/
>> but I'm not sure how can that be done?
>>
>> include() seems to only work on local pages.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lucas
>>
>> --
>> How to create python package?
>> http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/PythonPaste
>> DataHub - create a package that gets, parses, loads, visualizes data
>> http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/DataHub
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> Moin-user mailing list
>> Moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/moin-user
>>
>
>
> --
> Konrad Jelen
> stellars at interia.pl
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Kaziu i Isabel.
> Komiks bez granic >>> http://link.interia.pl/f20ac
>
>



-- 
How to create python package?
http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/PythonPaste
DataHub - create a package that gets, parses, loads, visualizes data
http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/DataHub



From dirk.fieremans at gmail.com  Thu Mar 26 09:48:36 2009
From: dirk.fieremans at gmail.com (Dirk Fieremans)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:48:36 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Fwd: MoinMoin virtual appliance
In-Reply-To: <1238068008.8886.21.camel@x300>
References: <6a23418f0903250233v5bed9061u6fbae70dcdae905a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49CA8707.40907@heavy.ch>
	<6a23418f0903251452p2498c2a7jf1dae9eeaeff1af8@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a23418f0903251453h36d1a2abof41243c43405fb8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1238068008.8886.21.camel@x300>
Message-ID: <6a23418f0903260648w2211f49ayc3cb64308bb35938@mail.gmail.com>

Just thinking loud:

- what is the best way to promote your product: global mass acceptance and
use, right?
- how to reach this: ease of installation and use. Personally I don't really
like to play with OS things, packages, patching, ... (yes, I'm lazy!)
>From an enduser point of view, I really only want to use it directly. I'm
not sure whether it now takes a lot of configuration, but I'm a bit afraid
of it, given our relatively small Linux knowledge.
Take for example integration with Active Directory. I would not know where
to start, except for browsing through a lot of fora.

Suppose you could package the most important features into a .vmdk file,
where configuration of the MoinMoin engine is reduced to providing it with
an IP address, wouldn't that be great? A single page configuration manual,
with no hassle on Python, Apache,... as they come pre-configured.
We could then spend all our time on enabling the user experience (hence my
earlier question on implementation strategy). How do you start such a
project without it becoming an absolute mess...

That would be great and valuable discussions!

Regarding Debian, we mainly use a licensed RedHat Enterprise license, but as
we would like to use it as a virtual appliance, hiding the OS from us, it
can be anything...

best regards,
Dirk

2009/3/26 Thomas Waldmann <tw at waldmann-edv.de>

> Hi Dirk,
>
> > At work, I wanted to install it properly, but we mainly have Windows
> > knowledge. I would prefer though to run it on Linux.
>
> I strongly recommend to use linux. The result will usually run faster,
> more stable and with less issues.
>
> It is also easier for some 3rd party to create VM images for it, because
> there won't be licensing and distribution problems.
>
> > As I lack time to play with Apache, MySQL,... it would be great if I
> > could just install a pre-configured VMWare image that contains a
> > running environment with everything on it (Python,...).
>
> Good idea. :)
>
> If the VM software authors could agree on some common disk image format,
> I guess this would be easier and more useful.
>
> I currently run virtualbox on my machines, but I never tried to convert
> its *.vdi to *.vmdk.
>
> > I have no preferences on what Linux brand is used, I only want to use
> > the MoinMoin engine to start publishing content asap.
> > Perhaps I shuld just buy some support hours and get the experts to do
> > it for me.
>
> You're lucky, we can offer that since a week, see:
>
> http://moinmo.in/Support
>
> Cheers,
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
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From waqas805 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 26 09:57:55 2009
From: waqas805 at hotmail.com (waqas ahmad)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:57:55 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Bug in GUI-Editor
Message-ID: <BAY111-W514DCBB25F4D2DB1209DB987910@phx.gbl>


 
Hi, 
 
when i create one document with a GUI mode and i attached one diagram in it, after that i upload that diagram. It works fine till here. But now when i edit this document again with GUI-mode and i click beside the diagram and press "Enter" to go for next line, then it hangs the whole browser(IE). Only way to get rid of "End this Task via task manager". Its really bad. Maybe some experienced user can work in text-mode but for normal users its hard. 
 
There is any solution for this problem.
 
Best Regards, 
 
Waqas Ahmad

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From stellars at interia.pl  Thu Mar 26 10:21:41 2009
From: stellars at interia.pl (Konrad Jelen)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:21:41 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] include outside moin wiki pages
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70903260647t51678181n8203c49d0bbafd48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70903251423s1cd4c902q1bdbfd2465efe6e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<88B5B8A3-79D6-463B-AD80-D6DD2E6215B9@interia.pl>
	<804e5c70903260647t51678181n8203c49d0bbafd48@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <212F3C7A-C43F-4AEE-9F5B-0C5E07FAF7AB@interia.pl>

Hi Lucas,

This macro works with 1.8.

Cheers,
stell

> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Konrad Jelen <stellars at interia.pl>  
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sure it is possible!
>>
>> there has been a macro created already. It's called  
>> IncludeUrlContentWiki on
>
> Is there a version for 1.7 or 1.5? I have 1.5 in my old debian stable,
> I see I am due for upgrade, but the current debian stable has 1.7.
> http://moinmo.in/MacroMarket/IncludeUrlContentWiki seem to have 1.6  
> or 1.8
>
>
> Thanks,
> Lucas
>
>> MacroMarket.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Stell
>>
>> On 25 Mar 2009, at 22:23, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> Is it possible to include outside wiki pages into my wiki page?
>>>
>>> I have a wiki that runs here: http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/  and I
>>> would like to include some of the pages from http://wiki.debian.org/
>>> but I'm not sure how can that be done?
>>>
>>> include() seems to only work on local pages.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lucas
>>>
>>> --
>>> How to create python package?
>>> http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/PythonPaste
>>> DataHub - create a package that gets, parses, loads, visualizes data
>>> http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/DataHub
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Moin-user mailing list
>>> Moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/moin-user
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Konrad Jelen
>> stellars at interia.pl
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Kaziu i Isabel.
>> Komiks bez granic >>> http://link.interia.pl/f20ac
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> How to create python package?
> http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/PythonPaste
> DataHub - create a package that gets, parses, loads, visualizes data
> http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/DataHub
>


--
Konrad Jelen
stellars at interia.pl


----------------------------------------------------------------------
Opony letnie do 30% taniej i z darmow? dostaw?!
Sprawd? >>> http://link.interia.pl/f20b7




From rb.proj at gmail.com  Thu Mar 26 10:27:00 2009
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:27:00 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Bug in GUI-Editor
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-W514DCBB25F4D2DB1209DB987910@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY111-W514DCBB25F4D2DB1209DB987910@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <gqg3bk$fet$1@ger.gmane.org>

waqas ahmad schrieb:
>  
> Hi, 
>  
> when i create one document with a GUI mode and i attached one diagram in it, after that i upload that diagram. It works fine till here. But now when i edit this document again with GUI-mode and i click beside the diagram and press "Enter" to go for next line, then it hangs the whole browser(IE). Only way to get rid of "End this Task via task manager". Its really bad. Maybe some experienced user can work in text-mode but for normal users its hard. 
>  
> There is any solution for this problem.
>  
> Best Regards, 
>  
> Waqas Ahmad
> 

Does it work with firefox ?

Have you tried?

Reimar




From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Thu Mar 26 14:12:33 2009
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:12:33 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Fwd: MoinMoin virtual appliance
In-Reply-To: <6a23418f0903260648w2211f49ayc3cb64308bb35938@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a23418f0903250233v5bed9061u6fbae70dcdae905a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49CA8707.40907@heavy.ch>
	<6a23418f0903251452p2498c2a7jf1dae9eeaeff1af8@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a23418f0903251453h36d1a2abof41243c43405fb8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1238068008.8886.21.camel@x300>
	<6a23418f0903260648w2211f49ayc3cb64308bb35938@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1238091153.6169.26.camel@server.firma.waldmann-edv.de>

> From an enduser point of view, I really only want to use it directly.

There are also moin wiki hosting offers, where you can just use it.

Running servers, software installation and upgrades is all done for you.

Usually this stuff is on the internet, so it depends on you whether that
is an option for you (you can use ACLs to require a login).

> Suppose you could package the most important features into a .vmdk
> file, where configuration of the MoinMoin engine is reduced to
> providing it with an IP address, wouldn't that be great? A single page
> configuration manual, with no hassle on Python, Apache,... as they
> come pre-configured.

On first glance, this sounds like a very good idea.

The only problem I see is long term, like e.g.:

Who does software and security upgrades?

Who does configuration changes when needed?

Backup is maybe no issue, as the virtual disk will be just backed
together with everything else on that host (the VM should be stopped
when this happens, though).

> Regarding Debian, we mainly use a licensed RedHat Enterprise license,

Everything that has to be "licensed" somehow is not working as a general
solution that is just downloadable somewhere.






From j.k.wight at ncl.ac.uk  Fri Mar 27 08:55:58 2009
From: j.k.wight at ncl.ac.uk (Jim Wight)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:55:58 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] email.utils in 1.9.0beta2
Message-ID: <49CCCCDE.6060403@ncl.ac.uk>

Is email.utils missing from 1.9.0beta2?

I'm trying to get 1.9.0beta2 up and running using CGI, but am hitting this problem:

Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "/addon/local/wikifarm/1.9/moin.cgi", line 39, in ?

from MoinMoin.web.flup_frontend import CGIFrontEnd
    File
"/addon/local/MoinMoin/1.9.0beta2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/web/flup_frontend.py",
line 39, in ?

from MoinMoin.web.frontend import ServerFrontEnd, FrontEnd, FrontEndNotAvailable
    File
"/addon/local/MoinMoin/1.9.0beta2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/web/frontend.py",
line 10, in ?

from MoinMoin.web.serving import make_application
    File
"/addon/local/MoinMoin/1.9.0beta2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/web/serving.py",
line 21, in ?

from werkzeug import run_simple
    File
"/addon/local/MoinMoin/1.9.0beta2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/support/werkzeug/__init__.py",
line 95, in __getattr__

module = __import__(object_origins[name], None, None, [name])
    File
"/addon/local/MoinMoin/1.9.0beta2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/support/werkzeug/serving.py",
line 57, in ?

from werkzeug.utils import responder
    File
"/addon/local/MoinMoin/1.9.0beta2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/support/werkzeug/utils.py",
line 1657, in ?

from werkzeug.http import parse_multipart, parse_options_header, \\
    File
"/addon/local/MoinMoin/1.9.0beta2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/support/werkzeug/http.py",
line 21, in ?

from email.utils import parsedate_tz, mktime_tz
  ImportError
  :
  No module named utils

  Premature end of script headers: moin.cgi


Jim



From rb.proj at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 09:59:43 2009
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:59:43 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] email.utils in 1.9.0beta2
In-Reply-To: <49CCCCDE.6060403@ncl.ac.uk>
References: <49CCCCDE.6060403@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <gqim4f$log$1@ger.gmane.org>

Jim Wight schrieb:
> Is email.utils missing from 1.9.0beta2?
> 
> I'm trying to get 1.9.0beta2 up and running using CGI, but am hitting this problem:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>     File "/addon/local/wikifarm/1.9/moin.cgi", line 39, in ?
> 
> from MoinMoin.web.flup_frontend import CGIFrontEnd
>     File
> "/addon/local/MoinMoin/1.9.0beta2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/web/flup_frontend.py",
> line 39, in ?
> 
> from MoinMoin.web.frontend import ServerFrontEnd, FrontEnd, FrontEndNotAvailable
>     File
> "/addon/local/MoinMoin/1.9.0beta2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/web/frontend.py",
> line 10, in ?
> 
> from MoinMoin.web.serving import make_application
>     File
> "/addon/local/MoinMoin/1.9.0beta2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/web/serving.py",
> line 21, in ?
> 
> from werkzeug import run_simple
>     File
> "/addon/local/MoinMoin/1.9.0beta2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/support/werkzeug/__init__.py",
> line 95, in __getattr__
> 
> module = __import__(object_origins[name], None, None, [name])
>     File
> "/addon/local/MoinMoin/1.9.0beta2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/support/werkzeug/serving.py",
> line 57, in ?
> 
> from werkzeug.utils import responder
>     File
> "/addon/local/MoinMoin/1.9.0beta2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/support/werkzeug/utils.py",
> line 1657, in ?
> 
> from werkzeug.http import parse_multipart, parse_options_header, \\
>     File
> "/addon/local/MoinMoin/1.9.0beta2/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/support/werkzeug/http.py",
> line 21, in ?
> 
> from email.utils import parsedate_tz, mktime_tz
>   ImportError
>   :
>   No module named utils
> 
>   Premature end of script headers: moin.cgi
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Hi

I can currently not check another py version but in 2.6 email is part of
the python installation. And docs.python.org tells it was implented in 2.2.

If that isn't in 2.4 we have to add it.

> python
Python 2.6 (r26:66714, Feb  3 2009, 20:49:49)
[GCC 4.3.2 [gcc-4_3-branch revision 141291]] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> from email.utils import parsedate_tz, mktime_tz
Help on function mktime_tz in module email._parseaddr:

mktime_tz(data)
    Turn a 10-tuple as returned by parsedate_tz() into a UTC timestamp.

cheers
Reimar




From j.k.wight at ncl.ac.uk  Fri Mar 27 10:50:23 2009
From: j.k.wight at ncl.ac.uk (Jim Wight)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:50:23 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] email.utils in 1.9.0beta2
In-Reply-To: <gqim4f$log$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <49CCCCDE.6060403@ncl.ac.uk> <gqim4f$log$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <49CCE7AF.5040305@ncl.ac.uk>

R.Bauer wrote:
> I can currently not check another py version but in 2.6 email is part of
> the python installation. And docs.python.org tells it was implented in 2.2.

Ah, now I wonder why that possibility didn't occur to me. The system is running 
CentOS 5, and it definitely doesn't have it: it's not returned by locate. A 
Fedora system running 2.5 does have it.

I'll just install 2.6 in order to make progress with 1.9.0beta2.

Jim





From j.k.wight at ncl.ac.uk  Fri Mar 27 12:49:48 2009
From: j.k.wight at ncl.ac.uk (Jim Wight)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:49:48 +0000
Subject: [Moin-user] email.utils in 1.9.0beta2
In-Reply-To: <gqim4f$log$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <49CCCCDE.6060403@ncl.ac.uk> <gqim4f$log$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <49CD03AC.1070107@ncl.ac.uk>

R.Bauer wrote:
> I can currently not check another py version but in 2.6 email is part of
> the python installation. And docs.python.org tells it was implented in 2.2.
> 
> If that isn't in 2.4 we have to add it.

email is there, but the utils file is called Utils.py:

# rpm -ql python|grep -i email/utils.py
/usr/lib/python2.4/email/Utils.py
/usr/lib/python2.4/email/Utils.pyc
/usr/lib/python2.4/email/Utils.pyo

Jim



From tw-public at gmx.de  Fri Mar 27 17:49:43 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:49:43 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] email.utils in 1.9.0beta2
In-Reply-To: <49CD03AC.1070107@ncl.ac.uk>
References: <49CCCCDE.6060403@ncl.ac.uk> <gqim4f$log$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<49CD03AC.1070107@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1238190583.4447.12.camel@x300>


> > If that isn't in 2.4 we have to add it.
> 
> email is there, but the utils file is called Utils.py:
> 
> # rpm -ql python|grep -i email/utils.py
> /usr/lib/python2.4/email/Utils.py

I reported that to the werkzeug developers on their irc channel.
Py 2.4 compatibility will be hopefully fixed soon.




From tw-public at gmx.de  Sat Mar 28 07:51:40 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:51:40 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] email.utils in 1.9.0beta2
In-Reply-To: <49CD03AC.1070107@ncl.ac.uk>
References: <49CCCCDE.6060403@ncl.ac.uk> <gqim4f$log$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<49CD03AC.1070107@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1238241100.20711.3.camel@x300>

Problem will be solved soon. It is due to this (irc log):

(12:38) < ThomasWal> the emails stuff changed from py2.4 to 2.5 to
conform with pep8.

(12:39) < ThomasWal> running python 2.5 or 2.6 is no problem, because it
has some backwards compatibility support for 
                     code doing it the 2.4 way

(12:40) < ThomasWal> BUT: if your code does it the 2.5+ way and you try
to run it on 2.4, it'll fail.

(12:41) < ThomasWal> thus, the easiest fix for code that supports
running on py2.4, is to use the old way until 2.5 is 
                     required.

(12:47) < ThomasWal> mitsuhiko: http.py line 21: just use "from
email.Utils ..."






From mailinglists at xgm.de  Sat Mar 28 08:24:13 2009
From: mailinglists at xgm.de (Florian Lindner)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:24:13 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Link to nonexistent German help pages
Message-ID: <815A9DBB-1658-43A5-8D5C-0A5270B9D404@xgm.de>

Hello,

I've set the language of my wiki to de (German). Some party of the  
wiki are German now but they link to some nonexistent German help  
pages like HilfeZumEditieren. Can I make this pages automatically  
forward to the English ones as long as there is no German translation  
available (HelpOnEditing here)?

Thanks,

Florian



From mela at darkover.inka.de  Sat Mar 28 10:53:32 2009
From: mela at darkover.inka.de (Mela Eckenfels)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:53:32 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Link to nonexistent German help pages
In-Reply-To: <815A9DBB-1658-43A5-8D5C-0A5270B9D404@xgm.de>
References: <815A9DBB-1658-43A5-8D5C-0A5270B9D404@xgm.de>
Message-ID: <20090328145332.GA98866@darkover.inka.de>

Hello Florian,

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 01:24:13PM +0100, Florian Lindner wrote:
> I've set the language of my wiki to de (German). Some party of the  
> wiki are German now but they link to some nonexistent German help  
> pages like HilfeZumEditieren. Can I make this pages automatically  
> forward to the English ones as long as there is no German translation  
> available (HelpOnEditing here)?

Easiest way is to install the german underlay-pages (they aren't
installed by default). To do this, just go on the page
SystemPagesSetup and choose "[[attachment:German.zip]]" install.

Kind regards,

Mela
-- 
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eMail: mela at eckenfels.net - Web: http://mela.eckenfels.net/
Blog: http://mela.de/ -  Das LARP-Kochbuch: http://larpkochbuch.de/
Das Kochbuch f?r Geeks: http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/geeksckbkger/

SatlanK at IRC - Ich warte auf den Tag, an dem die uni-Seiten nur noch mit 
Flash zu sehen sind. Das ist dann der Tag an dem ich weiss: Du hast zu 
lang studiert.



From fpiat at klabs.be  Sat Mar 28 12:19:56 2009
From: fpiat at klabs.be (Frank Lin PIAT)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:19:56 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] TextCha at login
Message-ID: <1238257196.5053.990.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>

Hello,

Is it possible to TextCha to validate logins?

Then I would like to use something like (which don't seem to work in
Moin 1.7):
 textchas_disabled_group = u"Known"


Franklin




From fpiat at klabs.be  Sat Mar 28 12:23:58 2009
From: fpiat at klabs.be (Frank Lin PIAT)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:23:58 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] TextCha at login
In-Reply-To: <1238257196.5053.990.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
References: <1238257196.5053.990.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
Message-ID: <1238257438.5053.994.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>

On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 17:19 +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Is it possible to TextCha to validate logins?

Actually, I just noticed that Textcha is required to create the account,
which is enough for me.

> Then I would like to use something like (which don't seem to work in
> Moin 1.7):
>  textchas_disabled_group = u"Known"

Franklin




From fpiat at klabs.be  Sun Mar 29 03:23:02 2009
From: fpiat at klabs.be (Frank Lin PIAT)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:23:02 +0200
Subject: [Moin-user] TextCha at login
In-Reply-To: <1238257438.5053.994.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
References: <1238257196.5053.990.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
	<1238257438.5053.994.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
Message-ID: <1238311382.5053.1095.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>

On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 17:23 +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 17:19 +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote:
> 
> > Then I would like to use something like (which don't seem to work in
> > Moin 1.7):
> >  textchas_disabled_group = u"Known"

I still wonder if the above configuration is supposed to work.
(I do understand that it isn't recommended[1]).

Franklin

[1] http://moinmo.in/TextCha#textcha-for-knownusers




From rb.proj at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 05:28:30 2009
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:28:30 +0200
Subject: [Moin-user] TextCha at login
In-Reply-To: <1238311382.5053.1095.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
References: <1238257196.5053.990.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>	<1238257438.5053.994.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
	<1238311382.5053.1095.camel@solid.paris.klabs.be>
Message-ID: <gqnevv$s4q$1@ger.gmane.org>

Frank Lin PIAT schrieb:
> On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 17:23 +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote:
>> On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 17:19 +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote:
>>
>>> Then I would like to use something like (which don't seem to work in
>>> Moin 1.7):
>>>  textchas_disabled_group = u"Known"
> 
> I still wonder if the above configuration is supposed to work.
> (I do understand that it isn't recommended[1]).

No it doesn't and it is not a good idea. Because then a bot does only
need a little bit human help to create an account and then spam
continues automated again.


Use a UserGroup or similiar name and add users. You can give already
defined users the right to add others.

cheers
Reimar



> 
> Franklin
> 
> [1] http://moinmo.in/TextCha#textcha-for-knownusers
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------




From stephen at theboulets.net  Sun Mar 29 21:36:06 2009
From: stephen at theboulets.net (Stephen Boulet)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:36:06 -0500
Subject: [Moin-user] Strange result when searching for text
Message-ID: <E77CB0CD-C589-4CA5-91F0-02988B185D4E@theboulets.net>

I did a text search for "music" on my wiki and was surprised by the  
result. Should this have been returned:

"""
([\w\-_.]+\.)?(l(so|os)tr)\.[a-z]{2,}
(blow)[\w\-_.]*job[\w\-_.]*\.[a-z]{2,}
(buy)[\w\-_.]*online[\w\-_.]*\.[a-z]{2,}
(casino|gambling|porn|\bsms|poker|milf|busty|prescription|pharmacy| 
penis|pills|enlarge)[\w\-_.]*\.[a-z]{2,}
(diet|penis)[\w\-_.]*(pills|enlargement)[\w\-_.]*\.[a-z]{2,}
(donne|annunci|tatuaggi|canzoni|musicali|scarica|salute|sesso|hentai| 
ragazze|sonnerie)[\w\-_.]*\.[a-z]{2,}
(i|la)-sonneries?[\w\-_.]*\.[a-z]{2,}
(levitra|lolita|phentermine|viagra|vig-?rx|zyban|valtex|xenical|adipex| 
meridia\b)[\w\-_.]*\.[a-z]{2,}
(magazine)[\w\-_.]*(finder|netfirms)[\w\-_.]*\.[a-z]{2,}
(mike)[\w\-_.]*apartment[\w\-_.]*\.[a-z]{2,}
(milf)[\w\-_.]*(hunter|moms|fucking)[\w\-_.]*\.[a-z]{2,}
(online)[\w\-_.]*casino[\w\-_.]*\.[a-z]{2,}
(paid|online)\s+surveys
...
"""
?

StephenB



From bradeyh at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 01:00:32 2009
From: bradeyh at gmail.com (Bradey Honsinger)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:00:32 -0700
Subject: [Moin-user] Strange result when searching for text
In-Reply-To: <E77CB0CD-C589-4CA5-91F0-02988B185D4E@theboulets.net>
References: <E77CB0CD-C589-4CA5-91F0-02988B185D4E@theboulets.net>
Message-ID: <8d89d5920903292200l17c4c512m87c493fa0e6932ff@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Stephen Boulet <stephen at theboulets.net> wrote:
> I did a text search for "music" on my wiki and was surprised by the
> result. Should this have been returned:
>
> """
> ([\w\-_.]+\.)?(l(so|os)tr)\.[a-z]{2,}

You don't say what page that was on, or what version you're running,
but it looks like the BadContent regex--see
http://moinmo.in/AntiSpamGlobalSolution.

That's been obsoleted to some extend by textchas--if your users would
be offended by the BadContent page and you're either running an
internal wiki or have textchas enabled, you can probably remove the
line in the config file and delete the contents of the page without
much impact.

  - Bradey



From stephen at theboulets.net  Mon Mar 30 13:38:16 2009
From: stephen at theboulets.net (stephen at theboulets.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:38:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Moin-user] Strange result when searching for text
In-Reply-To: <8d89d5920903292200l17c4c512m87c493fa0e6932ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E77CB0CD-C589-4CA5-91F0-02988B185D4E@theboulets.net>
	<8d89d5920903292200l17c4c512m87c493fa0e6932ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <153d59608306bad45145e27a7e7d86b3.squirrel@webmail.theboulets.net>

> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Stephen Boulet <stephen at theboulets.net>
> wrote:
>> I did a text search for "music" on my wiki and was surprised by the
>> result. Should this have been returned:
>>
>> """
>> ([\w\-_.]+\.)?(l(so|os)tr)\.[a-z]{2,}
>
> You don't say what page that was on, or what version you're running,
> but it looks like the BadContent regex--see
> http://moinmo.in/AntiSpamGlobalSolution.
>
> That's been obsoleted to some extend by textchas--if your users would
> be offended by the BadContent page and you're either running an
> internal wiki or have textchas enabled, you can probably remove the
> line in the config file and delete the contents of the page without
> much impact.
>
>   - Bradey

I'm the only user, and I was less offended than worried. I thought that I
might have been hacked.

Later I tried the URL http://moinmo.in/BadContent and was relieved to see
the same page.

Stephen




From gunter.matella at catenic.com  Tue Mar 31 05:55:12 2009
From: gunter.matella at catenic.com (Matella, Gunter)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:55:12 +0200
Subject: [Moin-user] Problem with view wiki page with IE7/8
Message-ID: <3120504679BF6C4AB44528A4278EEFCA15541FC0@winxbede03.exchange.xchg>

Hello,

we have problem with moinmoin 1.8.2:

A wiki page is using this code

 {{attachment:GuiHandbuchDownload1.bmp}}

to show  an attached image file (format BMP) in a wiki page.

In Firefox Browser this works well, the image will show inside the rendered page.
On IE 7/8 (Internet explorer) only the name of  the attachment will shown, no image will displayed.

Is this Bug or a feature and exists a way to get the page running with images on IE?

Greetings,

Gunter

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From rb.proj at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 09:58:22 2009
From: rb.proj at gmail.com (R.Bauer)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:58:22 +0200
Subject: [Moin-user] Problem with view wiki page with IE7/8
In-Reply-To: <3120504679BF6C4AB44528A4278EEFCA15541FC0@winxbede03.exchange.xchg>
References: <3120504679BF6C4AB44528A4278EEFCA15541FC0@winxbede03.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <gqt7hv$u21$1@ger.gmane.org>

Matella, Gunter schrieb:
> Hello,
> 
> we have problem with moinmoin 1.8.2:
> 
> A wiki page is using this code
> 
>  {{attachment:GuiHandbuchDownload1.bmp}}
> 
> to show  an attached image file (format BMP) in a wiki page.
> 
> In Firefox Browser this works well, the image will show inside the rendered page.
> On IE 7/8 (Internet explorer) only the name of  the attachment will shown, no image will displayed.
> 
> Is this Bug or a feature and exists a way to get the page running with images on IE?

looks like a missing feature or bug on IE. May be you need a plugin to
display those files in IE.

You have to check which file formats IE can display embedded.

cheers
Reimar




From kai at aplteam.com  Tue Mar 31 15:18:51 2009
From: kai at aplteam.com (Kai Jaeger)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:18:51 +0100
Subject: [Moin-user] Useful?!
Message-ID: <580814a00903311218m4ac753c8gca7361a1bed1d8c2@mail.gmail.com>

I make heavy use of MoinMoin's Category feature.

In particular I use category pages which do a (non-chached)
FullSearch. As a result these lists are always up-to-date. Nice.

However, the page names are not always that clear. I would very much
appriciate a feature that allows me to define a kind of short
description on a particular page which, if set, could be used
automatically by the page performing a

FullSearch(category:MyCategory)

For example, on a page "ThisIsMyExample" there could be something like

#Description This is my short description of the "MyCategory" page

which then results on the CategoryPage as a dd list:

--------------
MyCategory
    This is my short description of the "MyCategory" page
--------------

This feature would make it much easier to create meaningful lists on the fly.
And it's certainly easy to implement.

Is this useful for others as well?

Kai



From mail at heavy.ch  Tue Mar 31 17:30:48 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:30:48 +0200
Subject: [Moin-user] Problem with view wiki page with IE7/8
In-Reply-To: <3120504679BF6C4AB44528A4278EEFCA15541FC0@winxbede03.exchange.xchg>
References: <3120504679BF6C4AB44528A4278EEFCA15541FC0@winxbede03.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <49D28B88.5090706@heavy.ch>

hi

Matella, Gunter schrieb:
> to show  an attached image file (format BMP) in a wiki page.

well, the bpm format is very old an was designed for windows 3. So if
you care that your visitors can see your images never use this kind of
prosperity stuff. Save your images as a png or jpg and everything is fine.

bye
Marcel





From mail at heavy.ch  Tue Mar 31 17:35:02 2009
From: mail at heavy.ch (Mail@Heavy.ch)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:35:02 +0200
Subject: [Moin-user] Useful?!
In-Reply-To: <580814a00903311218m4ac753c8gca7361a1bed1d8c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <580814a00903311218m4ac753c8gca7361a1bed1d8c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D28C86.6090405@heavy.ch>

Kai Jaeger schrieb:
> I make heavy use of MoinMoin's Category feature.
> 
> In particular I use category pages which do a (non-chached)
> FullSearch. As a result these lists are always up-to-date. Nice.
> 
> However, the page names are not always that clear. I would very much
> appriciate a feature that allows me to define a kind of short
> description on a particular page which, if set, could be used
> automatically by the page performing a
> 
> FullSearch(category:MyCategory)
> 
> For example, on a page "ThisIsMyExample" there could be something like
> 

use something like this:
<<Include(^FirstnameLastname/20..-..-..,,to="^----",sort=descending,items=4,skipitems=0,titlesonly)>>

more Information under: http://moinmo.in/HelpOnMacros/Include

if your page contains a short description as the header then it maybe
works for you. I use this for my personal blog stuff
http://www.heavy.ch/Latest%20News


bye
Marcel







From tw-public at gmx.de  Tue Mar 31 17:58:16 2009
From: tw-public at gmx.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:58:16 +0200
Subject: [Moin-user] Problem with view wiki page with IE7/8
In-Reply-To: <49D28B88.5090706@heavy.ch>
References: <3120504679BF6C4AB44528A4278EEFCA15541FC0@winxbede03.exchange.xchg>
	<49D28B88.5090706@heavy.ch>
Message-ID: <1238536696.8073.3.camel@x300>

> well, the bpm format is very old an was designed for windows 3. So if
> you care that your visitors can see your images never use this kind of
> prosperity stuff.

We will assume that you meant "proprietary". :)

> Save your images as a png or jpg and everything is fine.

True. JPG just for photo-like stuff, nothing that requires rather sharp
lines or so, for that PNG is better.