[Moin-user] moin 1.9 - new deployment and new docs

[Rick Vanderveer]

Wow, I think this is a really exciting direction!  I'm probably a little bit
biased, but I happen to think that Moin is superior to most other wiki's
I've evaluated.  :-)  However, (as pointed out the other day) the Moin
install documentation can be a little thin at times.  When I look at other
projects, one thing I've always admired is that they have one set of easy
step-by-step setup documentation that will get you up and running.  My hope
is unifying the Moin set up under one WSGI configuration will get us to that
same level.  This is great news!


To this end, I can try to help with the Windows and Mac installer
documentation for 1.9.  I run Moin on Windows for work, and I use a Mac at
home.  Can you give me some guidance on what you want me to test (i.e. test
set up with Apache)?


-Rick




On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Sebastian Haase <haase at msg.ucsf.edu> wrote:

> Hi,
> hoping that this is not off-topic - short question: if moin would run
> as a WSGI app - will this help to somehow integrate a moin wiki into
> an existing environment of Django applications ?
> I guess I'm also thinking about user / login management and authentication
> ....
>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian Haase
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Thomas Waldmann <tw-public at gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Just curious, what features are planned for Moin 1.9?
> >
> > In 1.9 we integrate the Summer of Code 2008 project of Florian Krupicka
> > (mentor: Armin Ronacher), which was about refactoring the moin core to
> > be a WSGI application (see http://wsgi.org/ ).
> >
> > The new code replaces the previous request.* and server.* packages
> > within moin and the server adaptor scripts (all that existed to support
> > different types of servers like cgi, fastcgi, mod_python, twisted, ...)
> > with a core that just talks WSGI.
> >
> > This will simplify maintenance and debugging of the moin code, because
> > everyone will (as far as moin is concerned) use the same WSGI code.
> >
> > Some (python) servers meanwhile directly speak WSGI to python web apps,
> > some other servers (like apache) have wsgi support modules (mod_wsgi is
> > really great).
> >
> > Other servers that do not (yet) support WSGI, will be supported by some
> > 3rd party code we bundle with moin (flup and wsgiref code will support
> > cgi, fastcgi, scgi (new), ajp (new) and standalone).
> >
> > mod_python support was dropped (it was a constant source of troubles and
> > no moin developer used it, so we are rather relieved about not having to
> > support it any more). For apache users mod_wsgi is a great replacement
> > of mod_python, that works far better, more secure and more comfortable.
> >
> > Twisted support: we currently have nothing special for Twisted in moin
> > 1.9. Maybe someone from the Twisted community can help us with this if
> > they need more than a moin WSGI app. I guess it could be done as a
> > generic Twisted -> WSGI middleware as flup does it for other servers.
> >
> > Other servers: there is lots of activity in the python world to support
> > WSGI. So if you don't see your server supported (and you also don't want
> > to run CGI, that should work for every server), just browse through the
> > wsgi.org site and use google - maybe someone already has written some
> > nice middleware.
> >
> > Docs: as you can imagine, the install docs need major changes due to
> > this. I already killed all old (en and de) install docs and server
> > specifics from the master19 wiki. They soon will be replaced by new
> > docs.
> >
> > In the new docs, there will be some fundamental changes:
> >  * we will concrentrate on documenting moin (not web server
> > configuration, not server administration, not generic operating system
> > usage)
> >  * we will broadly document one kind of "easy, 5mins installation" of
> > moin - this is for desktop users, users in a hurry, moin newbies and for
> > users without (web) server admin knowledge. We already have that for
> > Linux, still searching someone doing it for Windows and Mac OS X.
> >  * for all other "server class" stuff, we will require server admin
> > knowledge and that for stuff like Linux, Apache, lighttpd, mod_wsgi,
> > flup, etc. you will just have to read THEIR docs. We'll briefly describe
> > the moin specifics and requirements.
> >
> > We hope that we get some support from the moin community with testing
> > and improving of the new docs, so that users will be more satisfied with
> > our docs in future.
> >
> > Language maintainers that did not yet remove the old install docs:
> > please do so (see the english pages).
> >
> >
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