From RWilcox at olenick.com  Mon Feb  3 07:36:25 2003
From: RWilcox at olenick.com (Ryan Wilcox)
Date: Mon Feb  3 07:36:25 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] moinmoin config issues - couldn't create child process
Message-ID: <F5EDFC5151E7D64C892A1D0BA047701AD57A2B@MAIL-02VS.atlarge.net>

Thanks for the info... I checked the ScriptAlias and it seems to be working fine. To test this, I created a dumb cgi script, called hi.cgi that contained bogus characters. When I browse to that location, I get an error when processing the cgi script as follows:

 

>C:/moin/ryanwilcox/hi.cgi is not executable; ensure interpreted scripts have "#!" first line

>don't know how to spawn child process: C:/moin/ryanwilcox/hi.cgi

 

given this error, I am sure that the script is being found.

 

I am wondering if this is caused by an Apache configuration problem with Python2.2. 

 

Thanks in advance for the help.

 

ryan k. wilcox

olenick  <http://www.olenick.com/> & associates

phone : 312.214.2577

mobile : 312.404.9148

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Juergen Hermann [mailto:jh at web.de] 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:12 PM
To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net; Ryan Wilcox
Subject: Re: [Moin-user] moinmoin config issues - couldn't create child process

 

[Fri Jan 31 12:32:44 2003] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (OS 3)The system cannot find the path specified. : couldn't create child process: 720003: moin.cgi 

This is an apache error, and it cannot find your cgi script.... check your scriptalias.

Ciao, J?rgen
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From i.roberts at Liberty-IT.co.uk  Tue Feb  4 03:43:02 2003
From: i.roberts at Liberty-IT.co.uk (Roberts, Iwan(LIT))
Date: Tue Feb  4 03:43:02 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] (no subject)
Message-ID: <2E02C310A701D41187CF00902771989603BAC390@romeo>

OK, I realise this is a bit of a donkey question, but how do you add links
to relative locations.  Normally I would use 

[http://mysite.com/wibble Wibble]

But some users have to use the IP address rather than the name (DNS issues),
so I want to use:

[/wibble Wibble]

The target URL is in the same domain, but is not a Wiki.

I also tried 

"Wibble":/wibble

But that didn't work.

Thanks,

I.






From ntrout at rockstarvancouver.com  Tue Feb  4 10:20:02 2003
From: ntrout at rockstarvancouver.com (Nick Trout)
Date: Tue Feb  4 10:20:02 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <41647A6597ADD611803C005004D19FD23DD42C@MAILMAN>
Message-ID: <41647A6597ADD611803C005004D19FD2397009@MAILMAN>

If you want to address it like another wiki you can use add your wiki
address to the moin/"your wiki"/data/intermap.txt

eg.
Wibble http://mysite.com/wibble

so you can do: Wibble:wibble

Or you could write a macro like Wibble(link) to return the correct link.

(I use a single macro SiteLink(<place>,<label>) to map all my links -
this way if anything moves I just change the macro).

regards,
Nick


> From: moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net 
> [mailto:moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of 
> Roberts, Iwan(LIT)
> Sent: February 4, 2003 3:43 AM

> OK, I realise this is a bit of a donkey question, but how do 
> you add links
> to relative locations.  Normally I would use 
> 
[http://mysite.com/wibble Wibble]

But some users have to use the IP address rather than the name (DNS
issues),
so I want to use:

[/wibble Wibble]

The target URL is in the same domain, but is not a Wiki.

I also tried 

"Wibble":/wibble

But that didn't work.

Thanks,

I.





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From jh at web.de  Tue Feb  4 11:27:02 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Tue Feb  4 11:27:02 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <41647A6597ADD611803C005004D19FD2397009@MAILMAN>
Message-ID: <E18g8hu-0003TF-00@smtp.web.de>

On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:22:34 -0800, Nick Trout wrote:

You can also use URL mapping (see the docs, HelpOnConfiguration).

>
>If you want to address it like another wiki you can use add your 
wiki
>address to the moin/"your wiki"/data/intermap.txt
>
>eg.
>Wibble http://mysite.com/wibble
>
>so you can do: Wibble:wibble
>
>Or you could write a macro like Wibble(link) to return the correct 
link.
>
>(I use a single macro SiteLink(<place>,<label>) to map all my links 
-
>this way if anything moves I just change the macro).
>
>regards,
>Nick
>
>
>> From: moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net 
>> [mailto:moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of 
>> Roberts, Iwan(LIT)
>> Sent: February 4, 2003 3:43 AM
>
>> OK, I realise this is a bit of a donkey question, but how do 
>> you add links
>> to relative locations.  Normally I would use 
>> 
>[http://mysite.com/wibble Wibble]
>
>But some users have to use the IP address rather than the name (DNS
>issues),
>so I want to use:
>
>[/wibble Wibble]
>
>The target URL is in the same domain, but is not a Wiki.
>
>I also tried 
>
>"Wibble":/wibble
>
>But that didn't work.
>
>Thanks,
>
>I.
>
>
>
>
>
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From hpk at trillke.net  Tue Feb  4 11:42:03 2003
From: hpk at trillke.net (holger krekel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 11:42:03 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] Easiest way for remote help pages?
Message-ID: <20030204204004.R19341@prim.han.de>

Hello,

what would be the easiest way to get rid of as many
SystemPages as possible and instead generate remote
links for HelpOnFormatting etc. ? 

I really would like to start out with a "clean" wiki.

thanks,

    holger



From jh at web.de  Tue Feb  4 12:38:04 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Tue Feb  4 12:38:04 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] Easiest way for remote help pages?
In-Reply-To: <20030204204004.R19341@prim.han.de>
Message-ID: <E18g9o2-0008Q2-00@smtp.web.de>

On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:40:04 +0100, holger krekel wrote:

>what would be the easiest way to get rid of as many
>SystemPages as possible and instead generate remote
>links for HelpOnFormatting etc. ? 

None. If I catch people massively linking to the main wiki, I'll block 
their IP. Imagine >>100 wikis linking to a server (and using its 
bandwidth) I don't even pay for.

If someone likes to contribute the bandwidth to all of the moin wiki 
world, contact me. ;)


Ciao, J?rgen





From i.roberts at Liberty-IT.co.uk  Wed Feb  5 02:08:02 2003
From: i.roberts at Liberty-IT.co.uk (Roberts, Iwan(LIT))
Date: Wed Feb  5 02:08:02 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] (no subject)
Message-ID: <2E02C310A701D41187CF00902771989603BAC5BD@romeo>

Thanks to everyone who replied to this (I even forgot to put a subject on -
I was having a bad day yesterday).

The prize for the adopted solution goes to the cross eyed penguin himself,
Roger Haase, who suggested:

[http:/wibble Wibble] (note the single slash, rather than the double)

Thanks again.

I.



-----Original Message-----
From: Juergen Hermann [mailto:jh at web.de] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 19:26
To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net; Nick Trout
Subject: RE: [Moin-user] (no subject)


On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:22:34 -0800, Nick Trout wrote:

You can also use URL mapping (see the docs, HelpOnConfiguration).

>
>If you want to address it like another wiki you can use add your
wiki
>address to the moin/"your wiki"/data/intermap.txt
>
>eg.
>Wibble http://mysite.com/wibble
>
>so you can do: Wibble:wibble
>
>Or you could write a macro like Wibble(link) to return the correct
link.
>
>(I use a single macro SiteLink(<place>,<label>) to map all my links
-
>this way if anything moves I just change the macro).
>
>regards,
>Nick
>
>
>> From: moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
>> [mailto:moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of 
>> Roberts, Iwan(LIT)
>> Sent: February 4, 2003 3:43 AM
>
>> OK, I realise this is a bit of a donkey question, but how do
>> you add links
>> to relative locations.  Normally I would use 
>> 
>[http://mysite.com/wibble Wibble]
>
>But some users have to use the IP address rather than the name (DNS 
>issues), so I want to use:
>
>[/wibble Wibble]
>
>The target URL is in the same domain, but is not a Wiki.
>
>I also tried
>
>"Wibble":/wibble
>
>But that didn't work.
>
>Thanks,
>
>I.
>
>
>
>
>
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From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Wed Feb  5 04:49:02 2003
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed Feb  5 04:49:02 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] (no subject)
References: <2E02C310A701D41187CF00902771989603BAC5BD@romeo>
Message-ID: <3E41030C.8040505@waldmann-edv.de>

>
>
>[http:/wibble Wibble] (note the single slash, rather than the double)
>
I tried that first, too, but it did not work with my browsers (must have 
been either netscape 4.7x or mozilla 1.x).






From adam at personaltelco.net  Fri Feb  7 18:01:03 2003
From: adam at personaltelco.net (Adam Shand)
Date: Fri Feb  7 18:01:03 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] RandomQuote macro doesn't parse wiki markup.
Message-ID: <3E4464C8.6060501@personaltelco.net>

I noticed that when the RandomQuote grabs an item from it's source page 
it doesn't parse any wiki markup that it encounters.

I occasion I use bold or italics on my FavoriteQuotes page, and I was 
trying to rig a banner ad displayer using it which didn't work as well 
because it doesn't parse the images.

You can see two examples here:

   http://www.spack.org/index.cgi/RandomQuoteTest

Is there any reason why this shouldn't work?

Adam.




From jh at web.de  Sat Feb  8 01:47:03 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Sat Feb  8 01:47:03 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] RandomQuote macro doesn't parse wiki markup.
In-Reply-To: <3E4464C8.6060501@personaltelco.net>
Message-ID: <E18hRYw-00016U-00@smtp.web.de>

On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 18:00:40 -0800, Adam Shand wrote:

>Is there any reason why this shouldn't work?

Because we have no non-hacky "parse this string" api (yet).

Ciao, J?rgen





From RWilcox at olenick.com  Sun Feb  9 18:26:01 2003
From: RWilcox at olenick.com (Ryan Wilcox)
Date: Sun Feb  9 18:26:01 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] moinmoin config issues - couldn't create child process
Message-ID: <F5EDFC5151E7D64C892A1D0BA047701AD57B4D@MAIL-02VS.atlarge.net>

Wondering if anyone has any idea what might be causing the error here... here are the original error messages again.

 

thanks in advance

 

 

 

[Sun Feb 09 20:19:45 2003] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (OS 3)The system cannot find the path specified.  : couldn't create child process: 720003: moin.cgi

[Sun Feb 09 20:19:46 2003] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (OS 3)The system cannot find the path specified.  : couldn't spawn child process: C:/Moin/mywiki/moin.cgi

 

 

 

ryan k. wilcox

olenick  <http://www.olenick.com/> & associates

phone : 312.214.2577

mobile : 312.404.9148

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Wilcox 
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:29 AM
To: 'moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net'
Subject: RE: [Moin-user] moinmoin config issues - couldn't create child process

 

Thanks for the info... I checked the ScriptAlias and it seems to be working fine. To test this, I created a dumb cgi script, called hi.cgi that contained bogus characters. When I browse to that location, I get an error when processing the cgi script as follows:

 

>C:/moin/ryanwilcox/hi.cgi is not executable; ensure interpreted scripts have "#!" first line

>don't know how to spawn child process: C:/moin/ryanwilcox/hi.cgi

 

given this error, I am sure that the script is being found.

 

I am wondering if this is caused by an Apache configuration problem with Python2.2. 

 

Thanks in advance for the help.

 

ryan k. wilcox

olenick  <http://www.olenick.com/> & associates

phone : 312.214.2577

mobile : 312.404.9148

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Juergen Hermann [mailto:jh at web.de] 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:12 PM
To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net; Ryan Wilcox
Subject: Re: [Moin-user] moinmoin config issues - couldn't create child process

 

[Fri Jan 31 12:32:44 2003] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (OS 3)The system cannot find the path specified. : couldn't create child process: 720003: moin.cgi 

This is an apache error, and it cannot find your cgi script.... check your scriptalias.

Ciao, J?rgen
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From crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  9 20:43:04 2003
From: crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com (Roger Haase)
Date: Sun Feb  9 20:43:04 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] moinmoin config issues - couldn't create child process
In-Reply-To: <F5EDFC5151E7D64C892A1D0BA047701AD57B4D@MAIL-02VS.atlarge.net>
Message-ID: <20030210044229.36370.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>

I wouldn't be confident of the scriptalias being correct because you
can produce a different error message.

I had some problems installing Moin on W/me and documented my
suggestions here near the end:
http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/moin/moin.cgi/HelpErrata

However, I don't recall having an error message like yours. Is your
failing url:
http://127.0.0.1/mywiki/
or, based on your second test:
http://127.0.0.1/ryanwilcox/

The Apache ScriptAlias statement has two parameters, the first should
be used in the url (as in one of the above), and the second should
point to a file which exists on your filesystem.  

If the above doesn't help, give us more info about your http.conf mods,
Apache version, and your Moin directory structure.

Roger Haase


--- Ryan Wilcox <RWilcox at olenick.com> wrote:
> Wondering if anyone has any idea what might be causing the error
> here... here are the original error messages again.
> 
>  
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> [Sun Feb 09 20:19:45 2003] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (OS 3)The
> system cannot find the path specified.  : couldn't create child
> process: 720003: moin.cgi
> 
> [Sun Feb 09 20:19:46 2003] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (OS 3)The
> system cannot find the path specified.  : couldn't spawn child
> process: C:/Moin/mywiki/moin.cgi
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ryan k. wilcox
> 
> olenick  <http://www.olenick.com/> & associates
> 
> phone : 312.214.2577
> 
> mobile : 312.404.9148
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Wilcox 
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: 'moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net'
> Subject: RE: [Moin-user] moinmoin config issues - couldn't create
> child process
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for the info... I checked the ScriptAlias and it seems to be
> working fine. To test this, I created a dumb cgi script, called
> hi.cgi that contained bogus characters. When I browse to that
> location, I get an error when processing the cgi script as follows:
> 
>  
> 
> >C:/moin/ryanwilcox/hi.cgi is not executable; ensure interpreted
> scripts have "#!" first line
> 
> >don't know how to spawn child process: C:/moin/ryanwilcox/hi.cgi
> 
>  
> 
> given this error, I am sure that the script is being found.
> 
>  
> 
> I am wondering if this is caused by an Apache configuration problem
> with Python2.2. 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance for the help.
> 
>  
> 
> ryan k. wilcox
> 
> olenick  <http://www.olenick.com/> & associates
> 
> phone : 312.214.2577
> 
> mobile : 312.404.9148
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juergen Hermann [mailto:jh at web.de] 
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:12 PM
> To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net; Ryan Wilcox
> Subject: Re: [Moin-user] moinmoin config issues - couldn't create
> child process
> 
>  
> 
> [Fri Jan 31 12:32:44 2003] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (OS 3)The
> system cannot find the path specified. : couldn't create child
> process: 720003: moin.cgi 
> 
> This is an apache error, and it cannot find your cgi script.... check
> your scriptalias.
> 
> Ciao, J?rgen
> 


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From RWilcox at olenick.com  Mon Feb 10 07:50:07 2003
From: RWilcox at olenick.com (Ryan Wilcox)
Date: Mon Feb 10 07:50:07 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] moinmoin config issues - couldn't create child process
Message-ID: <F5EDFC5151E7D64C892A1D0BA047701AD57B5E@MAIL-02VS.atlarge.net>

thanks so much for your help roger, your suggestions @ twistedmatrix worked. it was the moin.cgi mods that i had incorrect, the script alias was fine.

thanks again
ryan

ryan k. wilcox
olenick & associates
phone : 312.214.2577
mobile : 312.404.9148


-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Haase [mailto:crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:42 PM
To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: [Moin-user] moinmoin config issues - couldn't create child process

I wouldn't be confident of the scriptalias being correct because you
can produce a different error message.

I had some problems installing Moin on W/me and documented my
suggestions here near the end:
http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/moin/moin.cgi/HelpErrata

However, I don't recall having an error message like yours. Is your
failing url:
http://127.0.0.1/mywiki/
or, based on your second test:
http://127.0.0.1/ryanwilcox/

The Apache ScriptAlias statement has two parameters, the first should
be used in the url (as in one of the above), and the second should
point to a file which exists on your filesystem.  

If the above doesn't help, give us more info about your http.conf mods,
Apache version, and your Moin directory structure.

Roger Haase


--- Ryan Wilcox <RWilcox at olenick.com> wrote:
> Wondering if anyone has any idea what might be causing the error
> here... here are the original error messages again.
> 
>  
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> [Sun Feb 09 20:19:45 2003] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (OS 3)The
> system cannot find the path specified.  : couldn't create child
> process: 720003: moin.cgi
> 
> [Sun Feb 09 20:19:46 2003] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (OS 3)The
> system cannot find the path specified.  : couldn't spawn child
> process: C:/Moin/mywiki/moin.cgi
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ryan k. wilcox
> 
> olenick  <http://www.olenick.com/> & associates
> 
> phone : 312.214.2577
> 
> mobile : 312.404.9148
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Wilcox 
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: 'moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net'
> Subject: RE: [Moin-user] moinmoin config issues - couldn't create
> child process
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for the info... I checked the ScriptAlias and it seems to be
> working fine. To test this, I created a dumb cgi script, called
> hi.cgi that contained bogus characters. When I browse to that
> location, I get an error when processing the cgi script as follows:
> 
>  
> 
> >C:/moin/ryanwilcox/hi.cgi is not executable; ensure interpreted
> scripts have "#!" first line
> 
> >don't know how to spawn child process: C:/moin/ryanwilcox/hi.cgi
> 
>  
> 
> given this error, I am sure that the script is being found.
> 
>  
> 
> I am wondering if this is caused by an Apache configuration problem
> with Python2.2. 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance for the help.
> 
>  
> 
> ryan k. wilcox
> 
> olenick  <http://www.olenick.com/> & associates
> 
> phone : 312.214.2577
> 
> mobile : 312.404.9148
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juergen Hermann [mailto:jh at web.de] 
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:12 PM
> To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net; Ryan Wilcox
> Subject: Re: [Moin-user] moinmoin config issues - couldn't create
> child process
> 
>  
> 
> [Fri Jan 31 12:32:44 2003] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (OS 3)The
> system cannot find the path specified. : couldn't create child
> process: 720003: moin.cgi 
> 
> This is an apache error, and it cannot find your cgi script.... check
> your scriptalias.
> 
> Ciao, J?rgen
> 


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From matt.price at utoronto.ca  Mon Feb 10 14:20:04 2003
From: matt.price at utoronto.ca (Matt Price)
Date: Mon Feb 10 14:20:04 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] navi_bar and UserPreferences
Message-ID: <20030210223512.GA1543@utoronto.ca>

Hi everyo\ne,

I'm just trying out Moin Moin (lots of fun) and have two questions:

- first, I want to change the navi_bar setting on my wiki, but am
  having trouble.  My installation (from Debian Testing) came with
  navi_bar undefined.  If I add a line

  navi_bar = FrontPage 

  (for  instance) to moin_config.py, I get this error (from apache 1.3):
-------------
Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster at anarres.utoronto.ca
and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might
have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error
log.



Apache/1.3.26 Server at pc09.hist.utoronto.ca Port 80

-------------------------

meanwhile, the url at the top changes to http://[mywikibase]/WordIndex
any idea what's going on? 

and another question:  why can't I define the "InterWiki" variable in
the config file?  

Anyway, thanks loads for the help.  Best,
Matt



From crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 10 17:43:03 2003
From: crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com (Roger Haase)
Date: Mon Feb 10 17:43:03 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] navi_bar and UserPreferences
In-Reply-To: <20030210223512.GA1543@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <20030211014222.67840.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Matt Price <matt.price at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> Hi everyo\ne,
> 
> I'm just trying out Moin Moin (lots of fun) and have two questions:
> 
> - first, I want to change the navi_bar setting on my wiki, but am
>   having trouble.  My installation (from Debian Testing) came with
>   navi_bar undefined.  If I add a line
> 
>   navi_bar = FrontPage 
> 
>   (for  instance) to moin_config.py, I get this error (from apache
> 1.3):
> -------------
> Internal Server Error
> 
> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
> unable to complete your request.
> 
> Please contact the server administrator,
> webmaster at anarres.utoronto.ca
> and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you
> might
> have done that may have caused the error.
> 
> More information about this error may be available in the server
> error
> log.
> 
> 
> 
> Apache/1.3.26 Server at pc09.hist.utoronto.ca Port 80
> 
> -------------------------
> 
> meanwhile, the url at the top changes to
> http://[mywikibase]/WordIndex
> any idea what's going on? 
> 
> and another question:  why can't I define the "InterWiki" variable in
> the config file?  
> 
> Anyway, thanks loads for the help.  Best,
> Matt

Assuming you have version 1.0 from your Debian testing; you need to
check out the 
...site-packages/MoinMoin/config.py 
module. That is in a dictionary format, don't change it. Instead in
your ...moin/mywiki/moin_config.py 
module you need to set a variable like this:
navi_bar = ['FrontPage',
        'RecentChanges',
        'TitleIndex',
        'WordIndex',
        'SiteNavigation',
        'HelpContents',]
to override the default.

The answer to "InterWiki" is also in the config.py module, I think you
want to set the "interwikiname" variable to a string in moin_config.py
(never tried it myself).

Roger Haase


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From matt.price at utoronto.ca  Mon Feb 10 19:44:01 2003
From: matt.price at utoronto.ca (Matt Price)
Date: Mon Feb 10 19:44:01 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] InterWiki/page_footer [was:navi_bar]
In-Reply-To: <20030211014222.67840.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030210223512.GA1543@utoronto.ca> <20030211014222.67840.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030211035823.GA3117@utoronto.ca>

> Assuming you have version 1.0 from your Debian testing; you need to
> check out the 
> ..site-packages/MoinMoin/config.py 
> module. That is in a dictionary format, don't change it. Instead in
> your ...moin/mywiki/moin_config.py 
> module you need to set a variable like this:
> navi_bar = ['FrontPage',
>         'RecentChanges',
>         'TitleIndex',
>         'WordIndex',
>         'SiteNavigation',
>         'HelpContents',]
> to override the default.

this worked great.  Thanks for the tip!

> 
> The answer to "InterWiki" is also in the config.py module, I think you
> want to set the "interwikiname" variable to a string in moin_config.py
> (never tried it myself).
> 

I'd already tried that -- unless I leave interwikiname = None, I get
an error when each page is generated.  Do I have to get my InterWiki
name on an official list of such names (seems unlikely...)?  

Also, now I'm wondering about the footer.  I see I guess't edit the
'system footer' (too bad -- I'd like to change the format a bit). the
text I enter into page_footer1 and page_footer2 doesn't seem to get
wiki-ized when I type it in.  Is there a formating trick I should know
about? Right now I get literal transcription of whatever text I
include, enclosed within parentheses, i.e., 

page_footer1 = 'LectureNotes',

gives
('LectureNotes')


If I remove the single quotes (page_footer1 = LectureNotes,), I get an
error, unsurprisingly.  

What do other people do?  Write straight html?  

thanks again,
matt



From matt.price at utoronto.ca  Tue Feb 11 00:58:04 2003
From: matt.price at utoronto.ca (Matt Price)
Date: Tue Feb 11 00:58:04 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] wierd header output.
Message-ID: <20030211091309.GB4182@utoronto.ca>

For some reason moin is translating the structured text into headers
unreliably.  A big part of the problem seems to be the IncludePages
macro (see thisexample:
http://pc09.hist.utoronto.ca/SciTechMod/LectureTopics#preview); but I
alo seem to get unreliable results just from the plain = method (not
reproducible at the moment!).  

Even the IncludePages results are unpredictable, so for instance:
http://pc09.hist.utoronto.ca/SciTechMod/CourseLectures#preview
seems to work fine, even though the instance of IncludePates was cut
and pasted from one page into theo ther!!

I don't understand this.  thanks for your help,
matt



From mike at bindkey.com  Tue Feb 11 14:29:02 2003
From: mike at bindkey.com (Mike Rovner)
Date: Tue Feb 11 14:29:02 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] page coding
Message-ID: <b2bt9f$tbe$1@main.gmane.org>

HI all,

In the light of recent discussion in comp.lang.python about adding national
pages to www.python.org via MoinMoin wiki
it would be nice to have a new #coding parser, which will extend WikiNames
space of allowed names and add (change)  a meta-tag in page rendering.
For example:
#coding utf-8
#coding iso8859-15
etc.
By default it shall be latin-1 aka iso8859-1 for backward compatibility.

What do you think?

Regards,
Mike






From jh at web.de  Tue Feb 11 16:14:03 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Tue Feb 11 16:14:03 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] page coding
In-Reply-To: <b2bt9f$tbe$1@main.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <E18ikWQ-0006N4-00@smtp.web.de>

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:28:09 -0800, Mike Rovner wrote:

>In the light of recent discussion in comp.lang.python about adding national
>pages to www.python.org via MoinMoin wiki

URL to archived thread?

>it would be nice to have a new #coding parser, which will extend WikiNames
>space of allowed names 

> ... and add (change)  a meta-tag in page rendering.

Huh?

>By default it shall be latin-1 aka iso8859-1 for backward compatibility.

1.2 will prolly add more "mixed language" support, most notably providing full 
UTF-8 support (i.e. utf-8 storage of pages). You can already run a wiki using 
config.charset="utf-8", you only have to recode the std pages manually for 
now.


Ciao, J?rgen





From mike at bindkey.com  Tue Feb 11 16:40:05 2003
From: mike at bindkey.com (Mike Rovner)
Date: Tue Feb 11 16:40:05 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: page coding
References: <b2bt9f$tbe$1@main.gmane.org> <E18ikWQ-0006N4-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <b2c4vf$20i$1@main.gmane.org>

Oops. Didn't saw it from the first glance.

"Juergen Hermann" <jh at web.de> wrote in message
news:E18ikWQ-0006N4-00 at smtp.web.de...
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:28:09 -0800, Mike Rovner wrote:

>In the light of recent discussion in comp.lang.python about adding national
>pages to www.python.org via MoinMoin wiki

URL to archived thread?

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=mailman.104496197
0.22012.python-list%40python.org&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3Dmoinmoin%26saf
e%3Dimages%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26as_ugroup%3Dcomp.lang.python%26lr%3D%26as_sco
ring%3Dd%26hl%3Den

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=b2aobq%241saf%241
%40news.cybercity.dk&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3Dmoinmoin%26safe%3Dimages%2
6ie%3DISO-8859-1%26as_ugroup%3Dcomp.lang.python%26lr%3D%26as_scoring%3Dd%26h
l%3Den

Sorry for the long urls, don't know how to make them looks better :)

>it would be nice to have a new #coding parser, which will extend WikiNames
>space of allowed names

> ... and add (change)  a meta-tag in page rendering.

Huh?

<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html;charset=iso-8859-1">
with correct charset value

>By default it shall be latin-1 aka iso8859-1 for backward compatibility.

1.2 will prolly add more "mixed language" support, most notably providing
full
UTF-8 support (i.e. utf-8 storage of pages). You can already run a wiki
using
config.charset="utf-8", you only have to recode the std pages manually for
now.






From ame at swipnet.se  Tue Feb 11 17:17:11 2003
From: ame at swipnet.se (Anders Eriksson)
Date: Tue Feb 11 17:17:11 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] using moin.bat gives "Premature header ..."
Message-ID: <1ah7ysd6dkpqe$.10hky0n48qz29$.dlg@40tude.net>

Hello!

I have just installed apache 2.??? on a Windows 2000 computer. I then 
installed MoinMoin following the HelpOnInstalling/ApacheOnWin32 

Under section 3 Creating a Wiki Instance I created a batch file, moin.bat 
and edited httpd.conf accordingly.

When I then tried to access http://localhost:8080/mywiki I got [client 
127.0.0.1] Premature end of script headers: moin.bat

If I in httpd.conf change 
ScriptAlias /mywiki "C:/Moin/mywiki/moin.bat" to
ScriptAlias /mywiki "C:/Moin/mywiki/moin.cgi" 
Everything works!

Why does the doc say that I shall use a batch file and is there something 
that can go wrong when I do it this way?

// Anders



From jh at web.de  Wed Feb 12 11:18:03 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Wed Feb 12 11:18:03 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] using moin.bat gives "Premature header ..."
In-Reply-To: <1ah7ysd6dkpqe$.10hky0n48qz29$.dlg@40tude.net>
Message-ID: <E18j2NX-0003yU-00@smtp.web.de>

On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:11:34 +0100, Anders Eriksson wrote:

>Why does the doc say that I shall use a batch file and is there something 
>that can go wrong when I do it this way?

No, for 2.0, this is the right way.


Ciao, J?rgen





From anders.eriksson at morateknikutveckling.se  Thu Feb 13 02:00:04 2003
From: anders.eriksson at morateknikutveckling.se (Anders M Eriksson)
Date: Thu Feb 13 02:00:04 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: using moin.bat gives "Premature header ..."
References: <1ah7ysd6dkpqe$.10hky0n48qz29$.dlg@40tude.net> <E18j2NX-0003yU-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <5lpm4v0379u295p4pooe431q0undbpkjjg@4ax.com>

On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:17:12 +0100, "Juergen Hermann" <jh at web.de>
wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:11:34 +0100, Anders Eriksson wrote:
>
>>Why does the doc say that I shall use a batch file and is there something 
>>that can go wrong when I do it this way?
>
>No, for 2.0, this is the right way.
>
>
Good!

Maybe "someone" should update the documentations!

Thank you for your answer and for all the work you have put into this
wonderful application!

// Anders




From crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 13 13:54:04 2003
From: crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com (Roger Haase)
Date: Thu Feb 13 13:54:04 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] using moin.bat gives "Premature header ..."
In-Reply-To: <E18j2NX-0003yU-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <20030213215321.71896.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Juergen Hermann <jh at web.de> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:11:34 +0100, Anders Eriksson wrote:
> 
> >Why does the doc say that I shall use a batch file and is there
> something 
> >that can go wrong when I do it this way?
> 
> No, for 2.0, this is the right way.
> 

I had been using Apache 1.3.26 under Windows ME and downloaded Apache
2.0.44 today: The .bat file is not required under either Apache version
and is giving many Windows users trouble during installation.

Anders solution of using:
ScriptAlias /mywiki "C:/Moin/mywiki/moin.cgi" 
instead of:
ScriptAlias /mywiki "C:/Moin/mywiki/moin.bat"
in the httpd.conf file works well.

But if I am not mistaken, Anders also had to change the shebang
statement in the moin.cgi file to something like:
#! python

If Moin was not installed into the standard Python library, two
additional lines in moin.cgi had to be uncommented to look similar to:
import sys 
sys.path.append('C:/????/Moin/Lib/site-packages')

Using the above, installation of Moin under Windows/Apache and
Linux/Apache are very similar. I initially had trouble installing Moin
and found the solution from a Windows/XP user in the mailing list
archives.  In the short time I have been on this list, two other users
(three including Anders) have encountered problems using the .bat file
and have all been successful without use of it.

We all like Moin and are trying to help each and make Moin better. I
don't understand the reluctance to spiff up the installation docs, or
am I not understanding a Windows/Apache configuration where the .bat
file is really needed?

Roger Haase




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From jh at web.de  Thu Feb 13 15:22:02 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Thu Feb 13 15:22:02 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] using moin.bat gives "Premature header ..."
In-Reply-To: <20030213215321.71896.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E18jSf2-0006Z7-00@smtp.web.de>

On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:53:21 -0800 (PST), Roger Haase wrote:

>We all like Moin and are trying to help each and make Moin better. I
>don't understand the reluctance to spiff up the installation docs, or
>am I not understanding a Windows/Apache configuration where the .bat
>file is really needed?

I don't understand your reluctance either. ;)

In ernest: I don't document a procedure I can't test (no time right now), and 
the master wiki is a wiki, so be my guest.

http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/master/moin.cgi/HelpOnInstalling

If you people help out on the docs, I can concentrate more on new features.


Ciao, J?rgen





From crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 13 17:52:02 2003
From: crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com (Roger Haase)
Date: Thu Feb 13 17:52:02 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] using moin.bat gives "Premature header ..."
In-Reply-To: <E18jSf2-0006Z7-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <20030214015107.89777.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Juergen Hermann <jh at web.de> wrote:
> 
> I don't understand your reluctance either. ;)
> 
> In ernest: I don't document a procedure I can't test (no time right
> now), and 
> the master wiki is a wiki, so be my guest.
> 
>
http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/master/moin.cgi/HelpOnInstalling
> 
> If you people help out on the docs, I can concentrate more on new
> features.
> 
> 
> Ciao, J?rgen
> 

I agree, and am willing to help. The page you reference has this note
at the end:

'''
This wiki's content directly reflects the base wiki that is distributed
with the MoinMoin software. It's currently not secured and open to the
public, but please do not edit it unless you are a contributor
(translator, doc maintainer, ...). If you edit it anyway, be prepared
that your edits may disappear without any further warning!
'''

So I put my comments here:
http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/moin/moin.cgi/HelpErrata
@ 6 Win32 install using Apache. 

Per your invitation, I will polish my suggestion a bit more and add it
to the HelpOnInstalling page.

Roger Haase

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From j.her at t-online.de  Fri Feb 14 00:44:02 2003
From: j.her at t-online.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Fri Feb 14 00:44:02 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] using moin.bat gives "Premature header ..."
In-Reply-To: <20030214015107.89777.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <18jbQx-210eVEC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com>

On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:51:07 -0800 (PST), Roger Haase wrote:

>This wiki's content directly reflects the base wiki that is distributed
>with the MoinMoin software. It's currently not secured and open to the
>public, but please do not edit it unless you are a contributor
>(translator, doc maintainer, ...). If you edit it anyway, be prepared
>that your edits may disappear without any further warning!

Well, you contribute, so you're a contributor... :)

The notice is there in order to prevent people from thinking they're in
the normal wiki, or to start discussions or new pages inappropriate to
remain in the distributed set of pages.

>Per your invitation, I will polish my suggestion a bit more and add it
>to the HelpOnInstalling page.

Fine. Thanks.

Ciao, J?rgen





From Hans.Yandle at cingular.com  Fri Feb 14 06:48:03 2003
From: Hans.Yandle at cingular.com (Yandle, Hans)
Date: Fri Feb 14 06:48:03 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] CGI Buffering and Compression
Message-ID: <D31B04F24EDE7644BB169BB4F080778A06C237FF@s30342g004005>

J?rgen,

I will try to help out on the docs thus allowing you to concentrate more on
new features. I would like to suggest a new feature. I came across
http://www.mnot.net/cgi_buffer/ a few months back and liked it. I have not
used it but planned on developing my skills by integrated it into Moin. I
was going to try to use it to provide gzipped encodings back to the browser
for speed improvements. Also, if the wrapper was successful then we might be
able to accelerate it even further using mod_python. It seems that Mark
Nottingham is quite knowledge and maybe able to provide that missing link to
move Moin into the mod_python era.

Hans
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From jh at web.de  Fri Feb 14 10:12:08 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Fri Feb 14 10:12:08 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] CGI Buffering and Compression
In-Reply-To: <D31B04F24EDE7644BB169BB4F080778A06C237FF@s30342g004005>
Message-ID: <E18jkIl-0001nc-00@smtp.web.de>

Both of these things just need time (aka work), since quite some 
internals need to be refactored for this. They way to get there is 
clear though.

For you to be able to sensibly integrate that gzip-encoding class, we 
need to replace print by request.write (and no, don't send patches for 
this, since doing it directly is easier than applying a patch). If we 
get to it, intensive testing of the new code is helpful, though.

If you search for a unattended piece of code, "stats" could use quite 
some work. 

--Original Message Text---
From: Yandle, Hans
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:47:04 -0500

CGI Buffering and Compression 

J?rgen,  

I will try to help out on the docs thus allowing you to concentrate more on new 
features. I would like to suggest a new feature. I came across 
http://www.mnot.net/cgi_buffer/ a few months back and liked it. I have not used 
it but planned on developing my skills by integrated it into Moin. I was going 
to try to use it to provide gzipped encodings back to the browser for speed 
improvements. Also, if the wrapper was successful then we might be able to 
accelerate it even further using mod_python. It seems that Mark Nottingham is 
quite knowledge and maybe able to provide that missing link to move Moin into 
the mod_python era.  

Hans  


Ciao, J?rgen

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From jh at web.de  Sat Feb 15 03:09:03 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Sat Feb 15 03:09:03 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] UserPreferences help
Message-ID: <E18k0As-000169-00@smtp.web.de>

UserPreferences help is VERY sketchy, any takers to shape it up?

Ciao, J?rgen





From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Sat Feb 15 04:57:27 2003
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Sat Feb 15 04:57:27 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] UserPreferences help
In-Reply-To: <E18k0As-000169-00@smtp.web.de>
References: <E18k0As-000169-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <3E4E2E1D.8060804@waldmann-edv.de>

>
>
>UserPreferences help is VERY sketchy, any takers to shape it up?
>
Maybe better AFTER applying the password auth patch as this changes the 
usage of that page a bit.






From matt.price at utoronto.ca  Sat Feb 15 07:49:10 2003
From: matt.price at utoronto.ca (Matt Price)
Date: Sat Feb 15 07:49:10 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] UserPreferences help
In-Reply-To: <3E4E2E1D.8060804@waldmann-edv.de>
References: <E18k0As-000169-00@smtp.web.de> <3E4E2E1D.8060804@waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <20030215160434.GE25693@utoronto.ca>

Does this password auth patch already exist somewhere?  Is t his the
patch that will replace the navi_bar links with self-selected
bookmarks?  I really like this idea, and would love to have it -- can
I patch this feature into my current installatio (1.108)?  thanks,
matt


On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 01:10:05PM +0100, Thomas Waldmann wrote:
> >
> >
> >UserPreferences help is VERY sketchy, any takers to shape it up?
> >
> Maybe better AFTER applying the password auth patch as this changes the 
> usage of that page a bit.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jh at web.de  Sun Feb 16 00:14:04 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Sun Feb 16 00:14:04 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] UserPreferences help
In-Reply-To: <3E4E2E1D.8060804@waldmann-edv.de>
Message-ID: <E18kJvb-0000BN-00@smtp.web.de>

On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:10:05 +0100, Thomas Waldmann wrote:

>>UserPreferences help is VERY sketchy, any takers to shape it up?
>>
>Maybe better AFTER applying the password auth patch as this changes the 
>usage of that page a bit.

Right for the buttons and password field, but the rest (checckboxes 
especially) won't change,


Ciao, J?rgen





From jp-www at dcs.gla.ac.uk  Tue Feb 18 06:14:08 2003
From: jp-www at dcs.gla.ac.uk (Jonathan Paisley)
Date: Tue Feb 18 06:14:08 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] CGI Buffering and Compression
In-Reply-To: <E18jkIl-0001nc-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.40.0302181411390.9770-100000@brava>

On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 7:11pm +0100, Juergen Hermann wrote:

> For you to be able to sensibly integrate that gzip-encoding class, we
> need to replace print by request.write (and no, don't send patches for

Interim solution might be to replace sys.stdout with a file-like object
that calls request.write appropriately?





From fgenc at web.de  Wed Feb 19 07:48:29 2003
From: fgenc at web.de (fatih genc)
Date: Wed Feb 19 07:48:29 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] i need help by install of moin
Message-ID: <200302191547.h1JFlUe11981@mailgate5.cinetic.de>

hi people   
  
i have problem by install of moin moin  
 i have this vesion of moin moin moin-1.0.tar.gz 
i have Suse 8.1   
 
and if i try  to start the install file of moin  moin (i mean setup.py) 
it is to read on my shell: 
what shall i do to install moin by me (should i take old version of suse (may e suse 
8.0)) 
 
python setup.py install --record=install.log 
running install 
Traceback (most recent call last): 
  File "setup.py", line 195, in ? 
    apply(setup, (), setup_args) 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/core.py", line 138, in setup 
    dist.run_commands() 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", line 893, in run_commands 
    self.run_command(cmd) 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", line 912, in run_command 
    cmd_obj.ensure_finalized() 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/cmd.py", line 112, in ensure_finalized 
    self.finalize_options() 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/command/install.py", line 267, in finalize_options 
    (prefix, exec_prefix) = get_config_vars('prefix', 'exec_prefix') 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 408, in get_config_vars 
    func() 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 313, in _init_posix 
    raise DistutilsPlatformError(my_msg) 
distutils.errors.DistutilsPlatformError: invalid Python installation: unable to open 
/usr/l                                                   ib/python2.2/config/Makefile 
(No such file or directory) 
wiki:/tmp/moin-1.0 # python setup.py install --record=install.log 
running install 
Traceback (most recent call last): 
  File "setup.py", line 195, in ? 
    apply(setup, (), setup_args) 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/core.py", line 138, in setup 
    dist.run_commands() 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", line 893, in run_commands 
    self.run_command(cmd) 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", line 912, in run_command 
    cmd_obj.ensure_finalized() 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/cmd.py", line 112, in ensure_finalized 
    self.finalize_options() 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/command/install.py", line 267, in finalize_options 
    (prefix, exec_prefix) = get_config_vars('prefix', 'exec_prefix') 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 408, in get_config_vars 
    func() 
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 313, in _init_posix 
    raise DistutilsPlatformError(my_msg) 
distutils.errors.DistutilsPlatformError: invalid Python installation: unable to open 
/usr/lib/python2.2/config/Makefile (No such file or directory) 
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From jh at web.de  Wed Feb 19 11:27:10 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Wed Feb 19 11:27:10 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] i need help by install of moin
In-Reply-To: <200302191547.h1JFlUe11981@mailgate5.cinetic.de>
Message-ID: <E18lZrJ-0001wK-00@smtp.web.de>

On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:47:30 +0100, fatih  genc wrote:

[... a FAQ..., do we have the answer in the wiki?]

You need to install the python-dev-xxx.rpm (or something called very 
similarly).

Ciao, J?rgen





From jh at web.de  Wed Feb 19 12:32:11 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Wed Feb 19 12:32:11 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] Python 2.0 support in moin
Message-ID: <E18lasA-0004Ta-00@smtp.web.de>

Hi!

I need a person responsible for continuous testing moin cvs under 
python 2.0, since I'm slowly moving all my wikis (incl. the local one I 
develop in most of the time) to 2.1 or 2.2.

Otherwise, expect 2.2 code to creep in with all consequences, due to 
habitual use of 2.2 constructs, since I use that at work 8 hours a day.


Ciao, J?rgen





From crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 19 18:11:03 2003
From: crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com (Roger Haase)
Date: Wed Feb 19 18:11:03 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] UserPreferences help
In-Reply-To: <E18kJvb-0000BN-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <20030220021016.83710.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com>

I tried to update HelpOnInstalling/ApacheOnWin32 at
http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/moin/moin.cgi/HelpOnInstalling_2fApacheOnWin32
but the page is now marked immutable. 

If you point me at an address, I will also update UserPreferences.

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From j.her at t-online.de  Wed Feb 19 22:12:01 2003
From: j.her at t-online.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Wed Feb 19 22:12:01 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] UserPreferences help
In-Reply-To: <20030220021016.83710.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <18ljuz-2HfD9MC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com>

On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 18:10:16 -0800 (PST), Roger Haase wrote:

>I tried to update HelpOnInstalling/ApacheOnWin32 at
>http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/moin/moin.cgi/HelpOnInstalling_2fApacheOnWin32
>but the page is now marked immutable. 
>
>If you point me at an address, I will also update UserPreferences.

We have an extra wiki where all the pages that are part of the
distribution live. Thus, in the support wiki, those pages are made
immutable (else we'd have 2 places where people make changes).

The right address is this:

http://purl.net/wiki/moinmaster/HelpOnUserPreferences

and you should have no problems editing that. Sorry for the confusion.

Ciao, J?rgen





From crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 20 11:42:13 2003
From: crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com (Roger Haase)
Date: Thu Feb 20 11:42:13 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] HelpOnUserPreferences and HelpOnInstalling/ApacheOnWin32 
In-Reply-To: <18ljuz-2HfD9MC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com>
Message-ID: <20030220194153.73215.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>

I have updated the two above pages. It would be helpful for some
Windows users (expecially 2000 or XP) to review and test the changes
at:
http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/master/moin.cgi/HelpOnInstalling_2fApacheOnWin32

Major changes for ApacheOnWin32 include:

- eliminated the .bat file

- MoinMoin installs to \Python similar to ApacheOnUnix

- copied both mywiki and wiki (htdocs) out of \Python\share to C:\Moin
(perhaps controversial, but seemed to be the better alternative and
closer to the spirit of ApacheOnUnix)

- added many warnings and explanations (thinking average Windows users
may have less expertise than average Unix users and average
ApacheOnWin32 users will have less expertise than the average Windows
IIS users)

- I may have offended Windows NT users by suggesting it is unfit to be
an Internet server, sorry.

Unresolved problems:

- MoinMoinWinCvs is not on the master wiki? I think this should be
changed to delete the suggestion to set the Read-Only attribute. This
causes a problem the second time you try to install from \CVSRoot
because setup.py will not overwrite previously installed modules with
the Read-Only attribute.

- I couldn't find a way to say:
{{{
#! python
}}}
without getting it colorized, my best attempt was to enclose #! python
in back ticks.

- The ? in J?rgen in the docstring of moin.cgi creates 2 error messages
in the Apache error.log when Python 2.3a is installed.

Roger Haase

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From jh at web.de  Thu Feb 20 12:15:24 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Thu Feb 20 12:15:24 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] HelpOnUserPreferences and HelpOnInstalling/ApacheOnWin32
In-Reply-To: <20030220194153.73215.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E18lx5X-00048s-00@smtp.web.de>

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:41:53 -0800 (PST), Roger Haase wrote:

>I have updated the two above pages. 

Very fine job from what I'Ve seen so far.


Ciao, J?rgen





From jh at web.de  Thu Feb 20 12:24:07 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Thu Feb 20 12:24:07 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] HelpOnUserPreferences and HelpOnInstalling/ApacheOnWin32
In-Reply-To: <20030220194153.73215.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E18lxDx-0006Wj-00@smtp.web.de>

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:41:53 -0800 (PST), Roger Haase wrote:

>I have updated the two above pages.

xcopy htdocs      C:\Moin\htdocs /E 

This has a distinct disadvantage: updates of moin (e.g. CSS changes) 
won't be reflected w/o manual intervention.

Proposed change: point the ALIAS (not the scriptalias) directly to the 
share/moin/htdocs dir as installed.



Ciao, J?rgen





From crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 20 14:56:07 2003
From: crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com (Roger Haase)
Date: Thu Feb 20 14:56:07 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] HelpOnUserPreferences and HelpOnInstalling/ApacheOnWin32
In-Reply-To: <E18lxDx-0006Wj-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <20030220225515.96659.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Juergen Hermann <jh at web.de> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:41:53 -0800 (PST), Roger Haase wrote:
> 
> >I have updated the two above pages.
> 
> xcopy htdocs      C:\Moin\htdocs /E 
> 
> This has a distinct disadvantage: updates of moin (e.g. CSS changes) 
> won't be reflected w/o manual intervention.
> 
> Proposed change: point the ALIAS (not the scriptalias) directly to
> the 
> share/moin/htdocs dir as installed.
> 

I anticipated some controversy over that, and had an earlier version
written as you suggest. Since you are the BDFL of MoinMoin I will be
happy to change it if you want it that way. But what led me to the
alternative of copying it out was:

- The Unix install puts the Alias target in /usr/share/moin/htdocs and
the Windows install goes to C:\Python\share\moin\htdocs.  Serving the
Alias out of the Python tree gives me minor discomfort.

- At least one user had some confusion over the wiki/Alias,
mywiki/ScriptAlias statements. Copying both the Alias and ScriptAlias
targets to C:\Moin should clarify the setup. If the user has other
Apache-served directories, C:\Moin should be made a sibling making a
neater installation rather than having an orphan hidden in C:\python.

- Updates of moin may include updates to the editing HelpOn... pages.
So the issue of how and when to recopy files to mywiki exists and must
be explained. Copying files to wiki is a few extra commands.

- Users need a place to put their mywiki-logo.gif's and .css overrides.
Putting these in C:\Python gives me minor discomfort again.

Your call.

Roger Haase


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From jh at web.de  Thu Feb 20 15:39:04 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Thu Feb 20 15:39:04 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] HelpOnUserPreferences and HelpOnInstalling/ApacheOnWin32
In-Reply-To: <20030220225515.96659.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E18m0GR-000244-00@smtp.web.de>

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:55:15 -0800 (PST), Roger Haase wrote:

>- The Unix install puts the Alias target in /usr/share/moin/htdocs and
>the Windows install goes to C:\Python\share\moin\htdocs.  Serving the
>Alias out of the Python tree gives me minor discomfort.

Well, /usr is the python tree on Unix. ;)  Windows just behave a little 
different. The main point here is the "share" part: the htdocs directory 
is shared by all instances (ok, the rest is not shared, but is the 
"shared" base for all instances when they're instantiated).

>- At least one user had some confusion over the wiki/Alias,
>mywiki/ScriptAlias statements. Copying both the Alias and ScriptAlias
>targets to C:\Moin should clarify the setup. If the user has other
>Apache-served directories, C:\Moin should be made a sibling making a
>neater installation rather than having an orphan hidden in C:\python.

If you go that route, you should maybe use the --prefix=c:\Moin setup.py 
option and put NOTHING into the python tree. That then also solves the 
update problem, but OTOH requires a sys.path.append change in moin.cgi.
Danger here is that later, people forget to state the --prefix option 
when updating.

--prefix is the option that keeps all moin related stuff in just one 
base directory. It's what I use regularly, but then I'm deep into this 
stuff, and update things very often.

>- Updates of moin may include updates to the editing HelpOn... pages.
>So the issue of how and when to recopy files to mywiki exists and must
>be explained. Copying files to wiki is a few extra commands.
>
>- Users need a place to put their mywiki-logo.gif's and .css overrides.
>Putting these in C:\Python gives me minor discomfort again.

Mixing these with the wiki files is maybe not a good idea. :)

Maybe a _second_ Alias /wikidata pointing to c:/moin/wikidata?

>Your call.

No, yours. Consider the --prefix way (con: sys.path.append needed, pro: 
one dir only). Consider the "alias to other dir, and don't add you own 
files there", plus maybe "add our own document files to 'wikidata'".

If you think the current description is it, tell people that they 
regularly need to update CSS files after an update (ESPECIALLY when 
using CVS, then it's really a discomfort).

And finally, maybe we should append a section explaining how to use your 
own CSS by @importing an unmodified moinmoin.css.

What we should strictly avoid is to introduce decision paths into the 
default install docs, that is #1 confusion source. So please don't add 
my way in addition to yours, stick to yours if you think it's best.

P.S.: What just appeared to me, do we have to handle users that have no 
admin rights? Can they use the description in the current form?


Ciao, J?rgen





From mike at bindkey.com  Thu Feb 20 15:53:02 2003
From: mike at bindkey.com (Mike Rovner)
Date: Thu Feb 20 15:53:02 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] RFC: underscore
Message-ID: <b33png$sk2$1@main.gmane.org>

Dialing with Python language which has a lot of "__" in it
it seems better change underscore formatting element from 2 "_" to 3 "_"
like that:

was: __big__ to produce underscored "big"
proposed:
     ___big___ to have same effect.

We already have such element for '''bold'''.

Regards,
Mike Rovner






From j.her at t-online.de  Thu Feb 20 15:58:07 2003
From: j.her at t-online.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Thu Feb 20 15:58:07 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] RFC: underscore
In-Reply-To: <b33png$sk2$1@main.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <18m0ZB-1n5l20C@fwd08.sul.t-online.com>

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:50:29 -0800, Mike Rovner wrote:

>Dialing with Python language which has a lot of "__" in it
>it seems better change underscore formatting element from 2 "_" to 3 "_"
>like that:
>
>was: __big__ to produce underscored "big"
>proposed:
>     ___big___ to have same effect.
>
>We already have such element for '''bold'''.

Maybe, but then, you should `tt` identifiers anyway. If it's a real
problem because of many unescaped uses in an existing wiki (python.org
was not), sed can be used.
Ciao, J?rgen





From crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 20 22:48:18 2003
From: crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com (Roger Haase)
Date: Thu Feb 20 22:48:18 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] HelpOnUserPreferences and HelpOnInstalling/ApacheOnWin32
In-Reply-To: <E18m0GR-000244-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <20030221064740.57828.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Juergen Hermann <jh at web.de> wrote:

> --prefix is the option that keeps all moin related stuff in just one 
> base directory. It's what I use regularly, but then I'm deep into
> this 
> stuff, and update things very often.

I think that is appropriate for any developer, but for the average user
it is better to place the Moin code out of the way in C:\Python.


> >- Users need a place to put their mywiki-logo.gif's and .css
> overrides.
> >Putting these in C:\Python gives me minor discomfort again.
> 
> Mixing these with the wiki files is maybe not a good idea. :)
> 
> Maybe a _second_ Alias /wikidata pointing to c:/moin/wikidata?
> 

I like the second Alias idea. I considered it but didn't want to stray
too far away from the ApacheOnUnix approach.


> 
> And finally, maybe we should append a section explaining how to use
> your 
> own CSS by @importing an unmodified moinmoin.css.

Agree, this may fit better in HelpOnConfiguration or
HelpOnAdministration. I will look for a suitable spot.


> 
> What we should strictly avoid is to introduce decision paths into the
> 
> default install docs, that is #1 confusion source. 

Agree.


> P.S.: What just appeared to me, do we have to handle users that have
> no 
> admin rights? Can they use the description in the current form?
> 

I would think that would be a very rare situation, if even possible. I
can't imagine that someone without admin authority on a Windows PC
would be allowed to install MoinMoin.


To summarize: 
- htdocs will not be copied out of C:\Python\share
- add a second Alias for wikidata in C:\Moin
- look for a spot for a CSS howto

It will probably be late in this weekend before I get back to this.

Roger Haase


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From jh at web.de  Fri Feb 21 00:39:12 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Fri Feb 21 00:39:12 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] HelpOnUserPreferences and HelpOnInstalling/ApacheOnWin32
In-Reply-To: <20030221064740.57828.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E18m8hY-0004Ow-00@smtp.web.de>

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:47:40 -0800 (PST), Roger Haase wrote:

>To summarize: 
>- htdocs will not be copied out of C:\Python\share
>- add a second Alias for wikidata in C:\Moin
>- look for a spot for a CSS howto

Make it so. ;)

>It will probably be late in this weekend before I get back to this.

No problem at all.


Ciao, J?rgen





From jvilhena at softhome.net  Fri Feb 21 18:08:14 2003
From: jvilhena at softhome.net (jvilhena)
Date: Fri Feb 21 18:08:14 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] How do we make links to anchors ?
Message-ID: <oprkzpi2dmgqf7rh@mail.softhome.net>

Hello

Consider we have the anchor [#anchor1 sometext] in the MoinWikiPage caled 
TestAnchor.
1 - How do we link to it in the same MoinWikiPage, i.e., in TestAnchor ?
2 - How do we link to it from another MoinWikiPage ?

-- 
Best Regards
jvilhena



From robert.pollak at gmx.net  Wed Feb 26 06:26:01 2003
From: robert.pollak at gmx.net (Robert Pollak)
Date: Wed Feb 26 06:26:01 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] arbitrary diffs possible?
Message-ID: <3E5CCE81.4090307@gmx.net>

Hi - I just installed MoinMoin 1.0 for testing.

Is it possible to see a diff between two arbitrary old versions of a 
page, as in UseModWiki? I only manage to see a diff to the current page.

-- Robert




From alan.battersby at ntu.ac.uk  Wed Feb 26 07:08:17 2003
From: alan.battersby at ntu.ac.uk (Battersby, Alan)
Date: Wed Feb 26 07:08:17 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] Wiki Farms
Message-ID: <440D7AB12EEDC440978EDCCB6762043609E31B@apple.ads.ntu.ac.uk>

This may be a simple question but how exactly do you have two or more
separate sites on a server? I am trying to use Moin here at NTU as a social
collaborative document within the computing department. I started by setting
up one site ok but a colleague has recently asked if he can also set up a
site on the same server. Any help would be appreciated. I am not a python
person so a reasonably complete explanation would be appreciated. The moin
help is a little terse, what is in farm_config.py??? 

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From levisonmark at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 26 08:32:10 2003
From: levisonmark at hotmail.com (Mark Levison)
Date: Wed Feb 26 08:32:10 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] Pyton error while performing my first edit
Message-ID: <F164ly63Mh6yD5B4zAW0002d20f@hotmail.com>

I just installed MoinMoin on IIS Server as per the instructions at
http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/moin/moin.cgi/MoinMoin/InstallDocs

I attempted to edit my Front Page and get this error OSError: [Errno 13] 
(Permission denied Python 2.2.2).

My machine:
Windows XP (fully patched)
IIS version 5.1
runs ASP .NET 1.1 (although I removed all asp associations from my wiki 
directories).

Does anyone have any idea what happened?

Cheers
Mark Levison

OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied Python 2.2.2
C:\Python22\python.exe

A problem occurred while running a Python script. Here is the sequence of 
function calls leading up to the error, with the most recent (innermost) 
call first. The exception attributes are:
      __doc__ = 'OS system call failed.'
      __getitem__ = <bound method OSError.__getitem__ of <exceptions.OSError 
instance at 0x0071B578>>
      __init__ = <bound method OSError.__init__ of <exceptions.OSError 
instance at 0x0071B578>>
      __module__ = 'exceptions'
      __str__ = <bound method OSError.__str__ of <exceptions.OSError 
instance at 0x0071B578>>
      args = (13, 'Permission denied')
      errno = 13
      filename = None
      strerror = 'Permission denied'

C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\PageEditor.py in 
_write_file(self=<MoinMoin.PageEditor.PageEditor instance at 0x0071B5D0>, 
text='#pragma section-numbers off\n\nDarwin Wiki is t... search or browse 
the database in various ways\n')
  360                 and not is_deprecated:
  361             os.rename(page_filename, os.path.join(config.backup_dir,
  362                 wikiutil.quoteFilename(self.page_name) + '.' + 
str(os.path.getmtime(page_filename))))
       global wikiutil = <module 'MoinMoin.wikiutil' from 
'C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\wikiutil.pyc'>, global quoteFilename = 
undefined, self = <MoinMoin.PageEditor.PageEditor instance at 0x0071B5D0>, 
global page_name = undefined, global str = undefined, global os = <module 
'os' from 'C:\Python22\lib\os.pyc'>, global path = undefined, global 
getmtime = undefined, page_filename = 'data\\text\\FrontPage'
  363         else:
  364             if os.name == 'nt':

C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\PageEditor.py in 
save_text(self=<MoinMoin.PageEditor.PageEditor instance at 0x0071B5D0>, 
request=<MoinMoin.request.Request instance at 0x00696EC8>, newtext='#pragma 
section-numbers off\n\nDarwin Wiki is t... search or browse the database in 
various ways\n', datestamp='1015299366', **kw={'comment': '', 'notify': 0, 
'stripspaces': 0})
  429
  430             # write the page file
  431             mtime = self._write_file(newtext)
       mtime = undefined, self = <MoinMoin.PageEditor.PageEditor instance at 
0x0071B5D0>, global _write_file = undefined, newtext = '#pragma 
section-numbers off\n\nDarwin Wiki is t... search or browse the database in 
various ways\n'
  432
  433             # write the editlog entry

C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\wikiaction.py in 
do_savepage(pagename='FrontPage', request=<MoinMoin.request.Request instance 
at 0x00696EC8>)
  437     else:
  438         savemsg = pg.save_text(request, savetext, datestamp,
  439             stripspaces=rstrip, notify=notify, comment=comment)
       global stripspaces = undefined, rstrip = 0, notify = 0, comment = ''
  440         pg.send_page(request, msg=savemsg)
  441

C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\cgimain.py in run(properties={})
  233         else:
  234             try:
  235                 cgitb.handler()
       cgitb = <module 'MoinMoin.support.cgitb' from 
'C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\support\cgitb.pyc'>, handler = <function 
do_savepage at 0x0066C600>
  236             except:
  237                 apply(cgi.print_exception, saved_exc)




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From crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 26 08:36:11 2003
From: crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com (Roger Haase)
Date: Wed Feb 26 08:36:11 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] Wiki Farms
In-Reply-To: <440D7AB12EEDC440978EDCCB6762043609E31B@apple.ads.ntu.ac.uk>
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--- "Battersby, Alan" <alan.battersby at ntu.ac.uk> wrote:
> This may be a simple question but how exactly do you have two or more
> separate sites on a server? I am trying to use Moin here at NTU as a
> social
> collaborative document within the computing department. I started by
> setting
> up one site ok but a colleague has recently asked if he can also set
> up a
> site on the same server. Any help would be appreciated. I am not a
> python
> person so a reasonably complete explanation would be appreciated. The
> moin
> help is a little terse, what is in farm_config.py??? 


With only 2 wikis, using a farm_config.py is probably extra work rather
than less. It is a method that can be used to do mass changes for many
wikis, rather than repeatably setting the same options in many
moin_config.py files. My advice would be to ignore it until you have 5
or more colleagues wanting a wiki. With 2, you only have a garden.

You didn't mention your platform, so it is hard to be specific. In
principle, you need to understand the directories and files you created
and modified to enable the ScriptAlias for "mywiki" in Apache or IIS to
work.  Repeat parts of the installation process to create a "mywiki2"
directory as a sibling to the mywiki directory and add a second
ScriptAlias pointing to mywiki2.

I have recently rewritten
http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/master/moin.cgi/HelpOnInstalling_2fApacheOnWin32.
You might try reading that to see if it helps clarify what you need to
do. Note the creation of the "wikidata" directory is new and not
currently mention in the Unix docs.

Roger Haase


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From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Wed Feb 26 10:05:06 2003
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed Feb 26 10:05:06 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] Wiki Farms
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Message-ID: <3E5D00F2.1030400@waldmann-edv.de>

Hi,

> This may be a simple question but how exactly do you have two or more
> separate sites on a server?

You have to have a separate ScriptAlias (apache) for each wiki pointing 
to separate cgi-bin/moin.cgi (each with its own moin_config.py).

You only need one Alias "/wiki" if you share the standard icons, css 
etc. between all wiki installations.

If most config stuff is the same, you can put that into a farm config an 
import that one at top of each moin_config.py and define only the 
differences in moin_config.py afterwards while keeping the common stuff 
in farm_config.py (that has to be importable, so easiest is putting it 
into MoinMoin directory).

greetings, Thomas




From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Wed Feb 26 10:07:15 2003
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed Feb 26 10:07:15 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] arbitrary diffs possible?
References: <3E5CCE81.4090307@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <3E5D0187.90407@waldmann-edv.de>

Hi,

> Is it possible to see a diff between two arbitrary old versions of a 
> page, as in UseModWiki? I only manage to see a diff to the current page.

That is not yet possible AFAIK.

Although I think it is somewhere on the wish lists.

greetings, Thomas




From jh at web.de  Wed Feb 26 12:04:05 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Wed Feb 26 12:04:05 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] Pyton error while performing my first edit
In-Reply-To: <F164ly63Mh6yD5B4zAW0002d20f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <E18o6S7-0000K8-00@smtp.web.de>

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:31:50 -0500, Mark Levison wrote:

>I attempted to edit my Front Page and get this error OSError: [Errno 13] 
>(Permission denied Python 2.2.2).

Append ?test to your frontpage url and the system will prolly tell you that 
your data dir is not writable.


Ciao, J?rgen





From levisonmark at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 26 12:44:06 2003
From: levisonmark at hotmail.com (Mark Levison)
Date: Wed Feb 26 12:44:06 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] Pyton error while performing my first edit
Message-ID: <F146vJTbzOajvf6ReOu0003005c@hotmail.com>

Thanks for the help Juergen.  This just gets more confusing.

Frontpage?test reported I didn't have write access to editlog -- that's 
because it didn't exist.

So I created it and I made all my DarwinWiki directories writable.

Now ?test reports:
MoinMoin CGI Diagnosis
======================

Package "MoinMoin" sucessfully imported.

Release  1.0
Revision 1.159

Checking directories...
    data directory tests OK (set to 'C:\Moin\DarwinWiki\data')
    text directory tests OK (set to 'C:\Moin\DarwinWiki\data\text')
    user directory tests OK (set to 'C:\Moin\DarwinWiki\data\user')
    backup directory tests OK (set to 'C:\Moin\DarwinWiki\data\backup')


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "C:\Moin\DarwinWiki\moin.cgi", line 22, in ?
    cgimain.test()
   File "C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\cgimain.py", line 66, in test
    diff = util.popen(config.external_diff + " --version", "r")
WindowsError: [Errno 5] Access is denied: 'C:\\WINDOWS\\system32\\cmd.exe /c 
diff --version'

Which begs the question do I need a diff program (which one cygwin?) in my 
PATH? (This is not documented on the installs page)

But if I try edit the page I get the same permissions problem as before (see 
below for a fresh trace).

What to do next?

Thanks for the help so far
Mark


OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied Python 2.2.2
C:\Python22\python.exe

A problem occurred while running a Python script. Here is the sequence of 
function calls leading up to the error, with the most recent (innermost) 
call first. The exception attributes are:
      __doc__ = 'OS system call failed.'
      __getitem__ = <bound method OSError.__getitem__ of <exceptions.OSError 
instance at 0x0071B558>>
      __init__ = <bound method OSError.__init__ of <exceptions.OSError 
instance at 0x0071B558>>
      __module__ = 'exceptions'
      __str__ = <bound method OSError.__str__ of <exceptions.OSError 
instance at 0x0071B558>>
      args = (13, 'Permission denied')
      errno = 13
      filename = None
      strerror = 'Permission denied'

C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\PageEditor.py in 
_write_file(self=<MoinMoin.PageEditor.PageEditor instance at 0x0071B5B0>, 
text='#pragma section-numbers off\n\nThis is a test\n... search or browse 
the database in various ways\n')
  360                 and not is_deprecated:
  361             os.rename(page_filename, os.path.join(config.backup_dir,
  362                 wikiutil.quoteFilename(self.page_name) + '.' + 
str(os.path.getmtime(page_filename))))
       global wikiutil = <module 'MoinMoin.wikiutil' from 
'C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\wikiutil.pyc'>, global quoteFilename = 
undefined, self = <MoinMoin.PageEditor.PageEditor instance at 0x0071B5B0>, 
global page_name = undefined, global str = undefined, global os = <module 
'os' from 'C:\Python22\lib\os.pyc'>, global path = undefined, global 
getmtime = undefined, page_filename = 'data\\text\\FrontPage'
  363         else:
  364             if os.name == 'nt':

C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\PageEditor.py in 
save_text(self=<MoinMoin.PageEditor.PageEditor instance at 0x0071B5B0>, 
request=<MoinMoin.request.Request instance at 0x00696EC8>, newtext='#pragma 
section-numbers off\n\nThis is a test\n... search or browse the database in 
various ways\n', datestamp='1015299366', **kw={'comment': '', 'notify': 0, 
'stripspaces': 0})
  429
  430             # write the page file
  431             mtime = self._write_file(newtext)
       mtime = undefined, self = <MoinMoin.PageEditor.PageEditor instance at 
0x0071B5B0>, global _write_file = undefined, newtext = '#pragma 
section-numbers off\n\nThis is a test\n... search or browse the database in 
various ways\n'
  432
  433             # write the editlog entry

C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\wikiaction.py in 
do_savepage(pagename='FrontPage', request=<MoinMoin.request.Request instance 
at 0x00696EC8>)
  437     else:
  438         savemsg = pg.save_text(request, savetext, datestamp,
  439             stripspaces=rstrip, notify=notify, comment=comment)
       global stripspaces = undefined, rstrip = 0, notify = 0, comment = ''
  440         pg.send_page(request, msg=savemsg)
  441

C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\cgimain.py in run(properties={})
  233         else:
  234             try:
  235                 cgitb.handler()
       cgitb = <module 'MoinMoin.support.cgitb' from 
'C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\support\cgitb.pyc'>, handler = <function 
do_savepage at 0x0066C390>
  236             except:
  237                 apply(cgi.print_exception, saved_exc)



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From crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 26 18:58:08 2003
From: crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com (Roger Haase)
Date: Wed Feb 26 18:58:08 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] Pyton error while performing my first edit
In-Reply-To: <F146vJTbzOajvf6ReOu0003005c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030227025729.49934.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Mark Levison <levisonmark at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the help Juergen.  This just gets more confusing.
> 
> Frontpage?test reported I didn't have write access to editlog --
> that's 
> because it didn't exist.
> 
> So I created it and I made all my DarwinWiki directories writable.
> 
> Now ?test reports:
> MoinMoin CGI Diagnosis
> ======================
> 
> Package "MoinMoin" sucessfully imported.
> 
> Release  1.0
> Revision 1.159
> 
> Checking directories...
>     data directory tests OK (set to 'C:\Moin\DarwinWiki\data')
>     text directory tests OK (set to 'C:\Moin\DarwinWiki\data\text')
>     user directory tests OK (set to 'C:\Moin\DarwinWiki\data\user')
>     backup directory tests OK (set to
> 'C:\Moin\DarwinWiki\data\backup')
> 
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "C:\Moin\DarwinWiki\moin.cgi", line 22, in ?
>     cgimain.test()
>    File "C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\cgimain.py", line 66, in
> test
>     diff = util.popen(config.external_diff + " --version", "r")
> WindowsError: [Errno 5] Access is denied:
> 'C:\\WINDOWS\\system32\\cmd.exe /c 
> diff --version'
> 
> Which begs the question do I need a diff program (which one cygwin?)
> in my 
> PATH? (This is not documented on the installs page)
> 
> But if I try edit the page I get the same permissions problem as
> before (see 
> below for a fresh trace).
> 
> What to do next?
> 
> Thanks for the help so far
> Mark
> 
> 
> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied Python 2.2.2
> C:\Python22\python.exe
> 
> A problem occurred while running a Python script. Here is the
> sequence of 
> function calls leading up to the error, with the most recent
> (innermost) 
> call first. The exception attributes are:
>       __doc__ = 'OS system call failed.'
>       __getitem__ = <bound method OSError.__getitem__ of
> <exceptions.OSError 
> instance at 0x0071B558>>
>       __init__ = <bound method OSError.__init__ of
> <exceptions.OSError 
> instance at 0x0071B558>>
>       __module__ = 'exceptions'
>       __str__ = <bound method OSError.__str__ of <exceptions.OSError 
> instance at 0x0071B558>>
>       args = (13, 'Permission denied')
>       errno = 13
>       filename = None
>       strerror = 'Permission denied'
> 
> C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\PageEditor.py in 
> _write_file(self=<MoinMoin.PageEditor.PageEditor instance at
> 0x0071B5B0>, 
> text='#pragma section-numbers off\n\nThis is a test\n... search or
> browse 
> the database in various ways\n')
>   360                 and not is_deprecated:
>   361             os.rename(page_filename,
> os.path.join(config.backup_dir,
>   362                 wikiutil.quoteFilename(self.page_name) + '.' + 
> str(os.path.getmtime(page_filename))))
>        global wikiutil = <module 'MoinMoin.wikiutil' from 
> 'C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages\MoinMoin\wikiutil.pyc'>, global
> quoteFilename = 
> undefined, self = <MoinMoin.PageEditor.PageEditor instance at
> 0x0071B5B0>, 
> global page_name = undefined, global str = undefined, global os =
> <module 
> 'os' from 'C:\Python22\lib\os.pyc'>, global path = undefined, global 
> getmtime = undefined, page_filename = 'data\\text\\FrontPage'
>   363         else:
>   364             if os.name == 'nt':
> 

This may be a case of the truly blind trying to lead the blind... I run
W/ME and the closest I have come to IIS is running PWS for a short
while long ago.

Let's ignore the diffs problem for a moment, it seems to be similar to
the other problem.

When you say you made your DarwinWiki directories writeable... don't
you have to set both XP permissions and IIS permissions separately? 

I am thinking that these instructions...

'''
Now follow the same steps, but set the alias to "mywiki" and the path
to "C:\Moin\mywiki".

Now you need to setup the 'mywiki' alias so that it will run Python to
interpret .cgi files. Right click on your new 'mywiki' alias and choose
Properties. On the first tab (Virtual Directory), click the
Configuration button. The first tab is the App Mappings tab, which
defines which programs to use for each file exetension. Click Add.
Browse to your python.exe (probably something like
c:\pythonXX\python.exe). Then add -u %s %s after the Python executable
path. The Executable line will look something like this:
C:\Python22\python.exe -u %s %s. In the Extension box enter .cgi with
the begining period. Confirm that the Check that file exists option is
not checked (if it is, MoinMoin won't be able to display sub pages).
Ok, you're done with the alias configuration, click OK several times to
get back out of all the dialog boxes. 
'''

...perhaps should have said something about setting about setting
Access Permissions, Write in particular, and perhaps Directory browsing
as well for the mywiki directory.

If the above is of any help, the cygwin diff should work, either placed
in your system path or explicitly pointed to in moin_config.py:
   external_diff = r'c:\Download\MoinMoin\diff.exe' 
However, I think a similar permission problem exists which needs
fixing.

HTH,

Roger Haase

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From robert.pollak at gmx.net  Fri Feb 28 02:03:06 2003
From: robert.pollak at gmx.net (Robert Pollak)
Date: Fri Feb 28 02:03:06 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] How to ignore the web browser's language preference?
Message-ID: <3E5F33E6.7030703@gmx.net>

I have installed MoinMoin 1.0 and want to display the german 
localization for anonymous users (that have not set personal 
preferences), independent of the browser language settings.

Where in the code do i have to make changes? Or does somebody already 
have a patch?

Thank you,
Robert




From lele at seldati.it  Fri Feb 28 02:24:07 2003
From: lele at seldati.it (Lele Gaifax)
Date: Fri Feb 28 02:24:07 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] How to ignore the web browser's language preference?
In-Reply-To: <3E5F33E6.7030703@gmx.net>
References: <3E5F33E6.7030703@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <15967.14505.591326.636500@paci.nautilus>

>>>>> Robert Pollak l'ha dit:

    Robert> I have installed MoinMoin 1.0 and want to display the
    Robert> german localization

You can configure it by either adding

  default_lang = 'de'

in your moin_config.py, or by changing the default in config.py. Read
the latter file to get an idea of what you can configure.

ciao, lele.
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From jh at web.de  Fri Feb 28 10:00:02 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Fri Feb 28 10:00:02 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] How to ignore the web browser's language preference?
In-Reply-To: <3E5F33E6.7030703@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <E18oomk-0007uT-00@smtp.web.de>

On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:03:18 +0100, Robert Pollak wrote:

>I have installed MoinMoin 1.0 and want to display the german 
>localization for anonymous users (that have not set personal 
>preferences), independent of the browser language settings.
>
>Where in the code do i have to make changes? Or does somebody already 
>have a patch?

i18.__init__:

_text_lang = "de"



Ciao, J?rgen





From jh at web.de  Fri Feb 28 10:03:03 2003
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Fri Feb 28 10:03:03 2003
Subject: [Moin-user] How to ignore the web browser's language preference?
In-Reply-To: <15967.14505.591326.636500@paci.nautilus>
Message-ID: <E18ooph-0008UV-00@smtp.web.de>

On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:23:37 +0100, Lele Gaifax wrote:

>You can configure it by either adding
>
>  default_lang = 'de'
>
>in your moin_config.py, or by changing the default in config.py. Read
>the latter file to get an idea of what you can configure.

He wants to override the user's wishes, which will not work by default.


Ciao, J?rgen