From 8041d3SZ4@1blowup.net  Fri Jan  2 12:01:38 1998
From: 8041d3SZ4@1blowup.net (8041d3SZ4@1blowup.net)
Date: 02 Jan 98 12:01:38 AM
Subject: [META-SIG] Give Your Child "One of the Best Children's Videos""
Message-ID: <lMj0PW8Do0>

The holidays are upon us.  If you're like a lot of people, you struggle to
find gifts for your children that will entertain and amuse them at the same
time.  Well, here's a gift that will delight your child -

A Is For Airplane!

"A Is For Airplane" is the award-winning educational video that shows kids
all the fun and teamwork involved in running an airline.  "A Is For Airplane"
gets viewers behind the scenes at the airport!  Kids get to see:

*  The ticket counter!
*  Inside the baggage system!
*  On the ramp with the baggage loaders and fuelers!
*  In the catering kitchens!
*  Inside the control tower!
*  In the hangar with the mechanics!
*  At the boarding gate!
*  And even in the COCKPIT of a real Boeing 757!

Parenting Magazine calls "A Is For Airplane" "One of the Best Videos of
1996!"  It's also Approved by the Parent's Choice Foundation!

Thousands of copies of "A Is For Airplane" have been sold for $14.95, but as
an Internet Special this holiday season you can get "A Is For Airplane" for
only $11.95 (plus shipping and handling.)  ORDER TODAY FOR GUARANTEED HOLIDAY
DELIVERY!

You can order "A Is For Airplane" by calling our toll-free number -
800-250-4210.

If you'd like more information, visit our Website at
www.ppmm.com/jfp/jfp1297.htm

or CLICK HERE!

Thank you for your time...

Johnson Family Productions
Madison, WI


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From fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de  Mon Jan 12 15:04:38 1998
From: fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de (Markus Fleck)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:04:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [META-SIG] RFD: comp.lang.python.announce moderated
Message-ID: <884617477.9855@isc.org>

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
              moderated group comp.lang.python.announce

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) on the creation of a
moderated newsgroup, comp.lang.python.announce.  This is not a Call
for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.  Procedural details
are below.

Newsgroup line:
comp.lang.python.announce	Announcements about the Python language. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: comp.lang.python.announce

Traffic on comp.lang.python has grown to the point where readers would
benefit from a separate newsgroup just for announcements.  Moderating
the newsgroup would ensure that it was low-volume.  General discussion
of Python would continue on the unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.python.

CHARTER: comp.lang.python.announce

Comp.lang.python.announce is a moderated, low-volume newsgroup for
announcements regarding the Python programming language, including:

  - new releases of the core distribution and contributed software
  - events (user group meetings, conferences, training, etc.)
  - periodic postings (FAQs)
  - other items of general interest to the Python community

This is not a discussion group.  Posts are expected to have
Followup-To: headers set to "poster" or an appropriate newsgroup;
posts that omit this header will have a Followup-To: comp.lang.python
inserted by the moderator.

Moderation policy:

The intent of moderation is to ensure that this is a low-noise group.
Posts announcing commercial products related specifically to Python
are being encouraged.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.python.announce

Moderator: Vladimir Ulogov <gandalf@lgcit.com>
Moderator: Markus Fleck <fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de>

Vladimir Ulogov is a PSA and Starship Python member
with several years of Python experience and will be
the Primary Moderator.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

The posting of this RFD starts a discussion period of 21 days.
The discussion should occur on news.groups only.  At the end of the
discussion period a neutral votetaker from the Usenet Volunteer
Votetakers will post a Call For Votes with voting instructions.
Do not confuse this RFD with the Call For Votes; voting will not
commence until later.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been cross-posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
  comp.lang.python, comp.unix.programmer,
  comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc, comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,
  comp.object, comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi

and the following mailing list:

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    Subscribe via: meta-sig-request@python.org

Proponent: Markus Fleck <fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de>

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From PfZr5EB64@1nashvill.com  Wed Jan 14 03:55:45 1998
From: PfZr5EB64@1nashvill.com (PfZr5EB64@1nashvill.com)
Date: 14 Jan 98 3:55:45 AM
Subject: [META-SIG] Check this out!
Message-ID: <RG0JS6Tl5Tg6M>

      LET US DO YOUR BULK MAILINGS!!!

..$350 PER MILLION ADDRESSES SENT
..$250 PER 1/2 MILLION ADDRESSES SENT

THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FOR SUCCESS IN YOUR BUSINESS!

Our company will do bulk emailing for your product/service.

Addresses are extracted daily by six of our computers,
which run 24 hours a day 7 days a week, scanning the net
for new addresses.  Estimated 60-80,000 addresses extracted 
daily.  They are fresh!  Over 40 million addresses on file.

No more than 2 pages (50 lines), no porn and no foul 
language.  $50 per page/25 lines per page beyond 2 pages.  
We do not do targeted mailings at this price.

Targeted mailings: 
$150 per 50,000 addresses extracted or less.
We can extract by country, occupation, organizations, 
associations, product, etc.  If we can not 
search and extract what you need, then nobody can.

There are no lower prices on the net.  Your mailing 
can be done in a matter of hours.  We have 6 computers 
extracting addresses 24/7.

For the fastest service, cheapest prices and cleanest
mailings call our processing and new accounts office
at 904-282-0945, Monday - Friday 9 - 5 EST.  If the line is
busy, please keep trying, as bulk mailing is growing fast.  
We do want to work with you to advertise your product.

To have your name removed, call our processing office.
Any negative responses will be dealt with accordingly.

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From esikes@anet-dfw.com  Mon Jan 26 04:55:20 1998
From: esikes@anet-dfw.com (esikes@anet-dfw.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:55:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [META-SIG] Home Bussiness
Message-ID: <eaep.3.0.reg.Ed P53.35820.4594625@mail.anet-dfw.com>


We understand that you are interested in, or are already involved in marketing. We are searching for 
people to get into the highest paying plan in the world. Contact me for all the details.
 I have 28yrs. in the business world.

1-(972) 557-0955
Ed Sikes

You may also visit my website at:   http://www.admaxsilver.com/sikes/

**(( You have recieved this message because you have visited one of our business opportunity sites 
in the past. If you have recieved this message in error or simply wish to be removed from our list 
please reply  with the word "remove" in the subject header. We apologize for any inconvience if we 
have sent this to you in error.))**


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From klm@python.org  Tue Jan 27 01:37:40 1998
From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:37:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [META-SIG] Is spam getting you down
Message-ID: <199801270137.UAA20318@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us>

Dear friend,

Can you say, "I don't like spam"?  Have you always wished you could do
more than curse and whine about it it, but believed you're doomed with
it unto ETERNITY?  I did, too!  But then i heard about a plan so
stupid that i HAD to try it!  And you know what?  My life will NEVER
be the SAME!  I am so grateful for this wonderful new change that i
have to share the secret with EVERYONE IN THE WORLD!

Well, maybe just the meta-sig, for now.-)

Seriously, i've hacked majordomo with what should reject a lot of the
spam hitting python.org mailing lists.  Specifically, we will be
rejecting all messages which do not include the name of the list
somewhere among the to or cc recipients - e.g., for this message,
'meta-sig'.  From cursory examination of the archives i don't see any
genuine messages that would have been rejected, and it looks like most
spam would fail this test.

There may be some shaking out - i have nearly zero perl experience.
But i have exercised the new mechanism in vitro as best i could, it
does seem to be working - and it's not too complicated - so here we
go.  (Successful transmission of this message will be the second open
test - the first was with the same message, but with a violating
destination address.)

Rejected messages will be sent to the list owner for approval, as with
any dubious majordomo submissions.  The cited reason will be "Implicit
list destination...".  If you receive excessive or questionable
examples of such, please let me know asap.

I hope this helps.  Please let your subscribers know asap, so they are
aware of requirement of the destination list explicitly spelled out
among the recipients.

Thanks!

Ken Manheimer
klm@python.org

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From klm@python.org  Wed Jan 28 00:03:55 1998
From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:03:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [META-SIG] Is spam getting you down
In-Reply-To: <199801270137.UAA20318@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980127104622.20675D-100000@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us>

A small clarification of yesterday's message about the new python.org
mailing lists spam filter - the filter is engaged for all python.org
sigs, not just the meta-sig!  I had said: 

> stupid that i HAD to try it!  And you know what?  My life will NEVER
> be the SAME!  I am so grateful for this wonderful new change that i
> have to share the secret with EVERYONE IN THE WORLD!
> 
> Well, maybe just the meta-sig, for now.-)
> 
> Seriously, i've hacked majordomo with what should reject a lot of the

The "just the meta-sig" applied to where i sent my announcement, not
where i applied the hack.  The hack is engaged on every majordomo list
on python.org, which includes all the public ones.  So far there are no
signs of trouble.

Ken



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From 8041d3SZ4@1blowup.net  Fri Jan  2 12:01:38 1998
From: 8041d3SZ4@1blowup.net (8041d3SZ4@1blowup.net)
Date: 02 Jan 98 12:01:38 AM
Subject: [META-SIG] Give Your Child "One of the Best Children's Videos""
Message-ID: <lMj0PW8Do0>

The holidays are upon us.  If you're like a lot of people, you struggle to
find gifts for your children that will entertain and amuse them at the same
time.  Well, here's a gift that will delight your child -

A Is For Airplane!

"A Is For Airplane" is the award-winning educational video that shows kids
all the fun and teamwork involved in running an airline.  "A Is For Airplane"
gets viewers behind the scenes at the airport!  Kids get to see:

*  The ticket counter!
*  Inside the baggage system!
*  On the ramp with the baggage loaders and fuelers!
*  In the catering kitchens!
*  Inside the control tower!
*  In the hangar with the mechanics!
*  At the boarding gate!
*  And even in the COCKPIT of a real Boeing 757!

Parenting Magazine calls "A Is For Airplane" "One of the Best Videos of
1996!"  It's also Approved by the Parent's Choice Foundation!

Thousands of copies of "A Is For Airplane" have been sold for $14.95, but as
an Internet Special this holiday season you can get "A Is For Airplane" for
only $11.95 (plus shipping and handling.)  ORDER TODAY FOR GUARANTEED HOLIDAY
DELIVERY!

You can order "A Is For Airplane" by calling our toll-free number -
800-250-4210.

If you'd like more information, visit our Website at
www.ppmm.com/jfp/jfp1297.htm

or CLICK HERE!

Thank you for your time...

Johnson Family Productions
Madison, WI


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From fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de  Mon Jan 12 15:04:38 1998
From: fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de (Markus Fleck)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:04:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [META-SIG] RFD: comp.lang.python.announce moderated
Message-ID: <884617477.9855@isc.org>

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
              moderated group comp.lang.python.announce

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) on the creation of a
moderated newsgroup, comp.lang.python.announce.  This is not a Call
for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.  Procedural details
are below.

Newsgroup line:
comp.lang.python.announce	Announcements about the Python language. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: comp.lang.python.announce

Traffic on comp.lang.python has grown to the point where readers would
benefit from a separate newsgroup just for announcements.  Moderating
the newsgroup would ensure that it was low-volume.  General discussion
of Python would continue on the unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.python.

CHARTER: comp.lang.python.announce

Comp.lang.python.announce is a moderated, low-volume newsgroup for
announcements regarding the Python programming language, including:

  - new releases of the core distribution and contributed software
  - events (user group meetings, conferences, training, etc.)
  - periodic postings (FAQs)
  - other items of general interest to the Python community

This is not a discussion group.  Posts are expected to have
Followup-To: headers set to "poster" or an appropriate newsgroup;
posts that omit this header will have a Followup-To: comp.lang.python
inserted by the moderator.

Moderation policy:

The intent of moderation is to ensure that this is a low-noise group.
Posts announcing commercial products related specifically to Python
are being encouraged.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.python.announce

Moderator: Vladimir Ulogov <gandalf@lgcit.com>
Moderator: Markus Fleck <fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de>

Vladimir Ulogov is a PSA and Starship Python member
with several years of Python experience and will be
the Primary Moderator.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

The posting of this RFD starts a discussion period of 21 days.
The discussion should occur on news.groups only.  At the end of the
discussion period a neutral votetaker from the Usenet Volunteer
Votetakers will post a Call For Votes with voting instructions.
Do not confuse this RFD with the Call For Votes; voting will not
commence until later.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been cross-posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
  comp.lang.python, comp.unix.programmer,
  comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc, comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,
  comp.object, comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi

and the following mailing list:

  meta-sig@python.org (Special Interest Group on python.org SIGs)
    Subscribe via: meta-sig-request@python.org

Proponent: Markus Fleck <fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de>

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From PfZr5EB64@1nashvill.com  Wed Jan 14 03:55:45 1998
From: PfZr5EB64@1nashvill.com (PfZr5EB64@1nashvill.com)
Date: 14 Jan 98 3:55:45 AM
Subject: [META-SIG] Check this out!
Message-ID: <RG0JS6Tl5Tg6M>

      LET US DO YOUR BULK MAILINGS!!!

..$350 PER MILLION ADDRESSES SENT
..$250 PER 1/2 MILLION ADDRESSES SENT

THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FOR SUCCESS IN YOUR BUSINESS!

Our company will do bulk emailing for your product/service.

Addresses are extracted daily by six of our computers,
which run 24 hours a day 7 days a week, scanning the net
for new addresses.  Estimated 60-80,000 addresses extracted 
daily.  They are fresh!  Over 40 million addresses on file.

No more than 2 pages (50 lines), no porn and no foul 
language.  $50 per page/25 lines per page beyond 2 pages.  
We do not do targeted mailings at this price.

Targeted mailings: 
$150 per 50,000 addresses extracted or less.
We can extract by country, occupation, organizations, 
associations, product, etc.  If we can not 
search and extract what you need, then nobody can.

There are no lower prices on the net.  Your mailing 
can be done in a matter of hours.  We have 6 computers 
extracting addresses 24/7.

For the fastest service, cheapest prices and cleanest
mailings call our processing and new accounts office
at 904-282-0945, Monday - Friday 9 - 5 EST.  If the line is
busy, please keep trying, as bulk mailing is growing fast.  
We do want to work with you to advertise your product.

To have your name removed, call our processing office.
Any negative responses will be dealt with accordingly.

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From esikes@anet-dfw.com  Mon Jan 26 04:55:20 1998
From: esikes@anet-dfw.com (esikes@anet-dfw.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:55:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [META-SIG] Home Bussiness
Message-ID: <eaep.3.0.reg.Ed P53.35820.4594625@mail.anet-dfw.com>


We understand that you are interested in, or are already involved in marketing. We are searching for 
people to get into the highest paying plan in the world. Contact me for all the details.
 I have 28yrs. in the business world.

1-(972) 557-0955
Ed Sikes

You may also visit my website at:   http://www.admaxsilver.com/sikes/

**(( You have recieved this message because you have visited one of our business opportunity sites 
in the past. If you have recieved this message in error or simply wish to be removed from our list 
please reply  with the word "remove" in the subject header. We apologize for any inconvience if we 
have sent this to you in error.))**


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From klm@python.org  Tue Jan 27 01:37:40 1998
From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:37:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [META-SIG] Is spam getting you down
Message-ID: <199801270137.UAA20318@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us>

Dear friend,

Can you say, "I don't like spam"?  Have you always wished you could do
more than curse and whine about it it, but believed you're doomed with
it unto ETERNITY?  I did, too!  But then i heard about a plan so
stupid that i HAD to try it!  And you know what?  My life will NEVER
be the SAME!  I am so grateful for this wonderful new change that i
have to share the secret with EVERYONE IN THE WORLD!

Well, maybe just the meta-sig, for now.-)

Seriously, i've hacked majordomo with what should reject a lot of the
spam hitting python.org mailing lists.  Specifically, we will be
rejecting all messages which do not include the name of the list
somewhere among the to or cc recipients - e.g., for this message,
'meta-sig'.  From cursory examination of the archives i don't see any
genuine messages that would have been rejected, and it looks like most
spam would fail this test.

There may be some shaking out - i have nearly zero perl experience.
But i have exercised the new mechanism in vitro as best i could, it
does seem to be working - and it's not too complicated - so here we
go.  (Successful transmission of this message will be the second open
test - the first was with the same message, but with a violating
destination address.)

Rejected messages will be sent to the list owner for approval, as with
any dubious majordomo submissions.  The cited reason will be "Implicit
list destination...".  If you receive excessive or questionable
examples of such, please let me know asap.

I hope this helps.  Please let your subscribers know asap, so they are
aware of requirement of the destination list explicitly spelled out
among the recipients.

Thanks!

Ken Manheimer
klm@python.org

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From klm@python.org  Wed Jan 28 00:03:55 1998
From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:03:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [META-SIG] Is spam getting you down
In-Reply-To: <199801270137.UAA20318@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980127104622.20675D-100000@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us>

A small clarification of yesterday's message about the new python.org
mailing lists spam filter - the filter is engaged for all python.org
sigs, not just the meta-sig!  I had said: 

> stupid that i HAD to try it!  And you know what?  My life will NEVER
> be the SAME!  I am so grateful for this wonderful new change that i
> have to share the secret with EVERYONE IN THE WORLD!
> 
> Well, maybe just the meta-sig, for now.-)
> 
> Seriously, i've hacked majordomo with what should reject a lot of the

The "just the meta-sig" applied to where i sent my announcement, not
where i applied the hack.  The hack is engaged on every majordomo list
on python.org, which includes all the public ones.  So far there are no
signs of trouble.

Ken



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