From ed at pythoncharmers.com Sun Jul 3 20:42:16 2016 From: ed at pythoncharmers.com (Ed Schofield) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 10:42:16 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python meeting - this evening, Monday 4 July Message-ID: Hi everyone! We're looking forward to our monthly Python meeting again this evening! *When:* 5.45pm for 6pm today (Monday 4th July) *Where:* VLSCI Seminar Room, Ground Floor, 700 Swanston Street, Carlton *How to get there:* Take a tram 5-10 mins north from Melbourne Central station. *What:* 1. Visual Studio Code for Python development: Don Jayamanne Don is the lead developer of the Python extension for Visual Studio Code ( http://donjayamanne.github.io/pythonVSCode/). Visual Studio Code is a cross-language IDE built from the ground up using open source technologies such as NodeJS. Don is going to give an overview of the Python extension, demos of some of its features (including linters, debuggers, and support for virtual environments), and invite feedback on its future development. 2. Parallel computing with Dask: Ed Schofield Dask is a lightweight pure-Python parallel computing library. It is relatively new (about 18 months) but is rapidly becoming a core piece of infrastructure for Python packages like scikit-image. It provides parallel arrays and dataframes, originally for analytics, but its scope has since broadened out. This introductory talk is aimed at beginners to parallel processing and those who have used packages like `multiprocessing`, `ipyparallel`, or `mpi4py`. 3. Lightning talks! We'll have space for a few lightning talks (2 mins each). If you've been thinking about giving a talk but hesitating, this is your chance! After the talks we'll head to a restaurant on Lygon Street for dinner / drinks. 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But then I've found out that a lot (a lot ) of this jobs are from recruiters companies. I even created a blacklist and planning to filter against it and exclude those jobs from listing. I don't like them, the website was created to increase visibility of job posts, by covering real company name with theirs they secretly not helping, and the list of problems with it recruiters is longer. The real question is should I do it. Should I filter recruiters out from this part of the world? Do you guys see any values in those jobs posts, are recruiters as bad and annoying as here? Again if this not something that should go on the list, apologies. But still I would like to know the your opinion so private emails welcome. Best, Sebastian Pawlu?. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kiran.busi at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 23:08:07 2016 From: kiran.busi at gmail.com (Kiran Busi) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:08:07 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Any value in recruiters job posts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If the job is is specific to a real role, not generic information farming, then I see it having some value. That said, I much prefer dealing with companies directly vs a recruiter. On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Sebastian Pawlu? wrote: > Hey, > > This might be odd question to ask here, since the list about Python and > should probably stay as one. But living in Europe I don't know anyone from > this part of the world and as Python programmer myself I know how Python > community is a friendly entity ;) > > Anyway, the real thing is. > > A while ago I created an aggregator for jobs (like all it jobs). It's > called https://whoishiring.io, then short after a person on the twitter > suggested that I should add www.seek.com.au as a source, and I did just > that. > > But then I've found out that a lot (a lot > ) of > this jobs are from recruiters companies. I even created a blacklist > and > planning to filter against it and exclude those jobs from listing. I don't > like them, the website was created to increase visibility of job posts, by > covering real company name with theirs they secretly not helping, and the > list of problems with it recruiters is longer. > > The real question is should I do it. Should I filter recruiters out from > this part of the world? Do you guys see any values in those jobs posts, are > recruiters as bad and annoying as here? > > Again if this not something that should go on the list, apologies. But > still I would like to know the your opinion so private emails welcome. > > Best, > Sebastian Pawlu?. > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deeprave at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 23:55:25 2016 From: deeprave at gmail.com (David Nugent) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 13:55:25 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Any value in recruiters job posts? In-Reply-To: <557793.a14b05d8eb4b9cc8b80435b519d665f726b5243d@popretr.messagingengine.com> References: <557793.a14b05d8eb4b9cc8b80435b519d665f726b5243d@popretr.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1467777325.3577637.658030441.3CDB8AA9@webmail.messagingengine.com> > If the job is is specific to a real role, not generic information > farming, then I see it having some value. Somewhat difficult to ascertain this in practice, but in an ideal world I agree. > That said, I much prefer dealing with companies directly vs a > recruiter. Same, to some extent, although the problem is often with HR in many businesses - non-existent or poorly skilled HR, and especially with smaller companies outsourcing to a recruiter is the way to go if you're after high quality applicants. The problem is that they are almost always way too expensive to even consider it - the standard 15% of annual salary for the job in question adds up to quite a bit for sometimes very little work beyond advertising/spamming. Not knowing the identity of the prospective employer up front is - in my opinion - the deal breaker. Regards, -- David Nugent (deeprave at gmail.com) ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthony.briggs at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 00:00:55 2016 From: anthony.briggs at gmail.com (Anthony Briggs) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:00:55 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Any value in recruiters job posts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sebastian, My personal experience is that recruiters don't provide much, if any, value. The only job that I've sourced through a recruiter was a terrible, *terrible *PHP job that I quit after a week. I did have several interviews at around the same time, but a) you need to be head and shoulders above the competition for them to consider you, given recruiter's fees (~20% of the annual salary IIRC), and b) if you *are *head and shoulders above, then you'll be getting cold calls from various companies anyway and/or will be a relative shoe-in at most interviews. I've managed to get off most recruiter books after several years of working on my own stuff, but I used to get a raft of calls from them whenever a senior Python position came up. At one place I worked, it became a game to try and figure out the originating company given a particularly lazy cut+paste position from Seek or wherever. There may be some companies that work solely through a recruiter, but good luck filtering those out from the spam. Hope that helps, Anthony On 6 July 2016 at 13:08, Kiran Busi wrote: > If the job is is specific to a real role, not generic information farming, > then I see it having some value. > > That said, I much prefer dealing with companies directly vs a recruiter. > > > > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Sebastian Pawlu? < > sebastian.pawlus at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> This might be odd question to ask here, since the list about Python and >> should probably stay as one. But living in Europe I don't know anyone from >> this part of the world and as Python programmer myself I know how Python >> community is a friendly entity ;) >> >> Anyway, the real thing is. >> >> A while ago I created an aggregator for jobs (like all it jobs). It's >> called https://whoishiring.io, then short after a person on the twitter >> suggested that I should add www.seek.com.au as a source, and I did just >> that. >> >> But then I've found out that a lot (a lot >> ) of >> this jobs are from recruiters companies. I even created a blacklist >> and >> planning to filter against it and exclude those jobs from listing. I don't >> like them, the website was created to increase visibility of job posts, by >> covering real company name with theirs they secretly not helping, and the >> list of problems with it recruiters is longer. >> >> The real question is should I do it. Should I filter recruiters out from >> this part of the world? Do you guys see any values in those jobs posts, are >> recruiters as bad and annoying as here? >> >> Again if this not something that should go on the list, apologies. But >> still I would like to know the your opinion so private emails welcome. >> >> Best, >> Sebastian Pawlu?. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> melbourne-pug mailing list >> melbourne-pug at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sebastian.pawlus at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 05:13:05 2016 From: sebastian.pawlus at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Sebastian_Pawlu=C5=9B?=) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:13:05 +0200 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Any value in recruiters job posts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Much thanks you all for the input here. It looks like the pain with recruiters is shared across the glob on the similar level. I will make a test run and try to filter recruiters out and see how much is left of it. Maybe not all companies trusted them. Also after reading the input I should rephrase the question to "Would you apply for the job from recruiters add?" Also apologies for the latency to AU, I will try to fix that soon. Thanks again. On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Anthony Briggs wrote: > Hi Sebastian, > > My personal experience is that recruiters don't provide much, if any, > value. > > The only job that I've sourced through a recruiter was a terrible, *terrible > *PHP job that I quit after a week. I did have several interviews at > around the same time, but a) you need to be head and shoulders above the > competition for them to consider you, given recruiter's fees (~20% of the > annual salary IIRC), and b) if you *are *head and shoulders above, then > you'll be getting cold calls from various companies anyway and/or will be a > relative shoe-in at most interviews. > > I've managed to get off most recruiter books after several years of > working on my own stuff, but I used to get a raft of calls from them > whenever a senior Python position came up. At one place I worked, it became > a game to try and figure out the originating company given a particularly > lazy cut+paste position from Seek or wherever. > > There may be some companies that work solely through a recruiter, but good > luck filtering those out from the spam. > > Hope that helps, > > Anthony > > > > On 6 July 2016 at 13:08, Kiran Busi wrote: > >> If the job is is specific to a real role, not generic information >> farming, then I see it having some value. >> >> That said, I much prefer dealing with companies directly vs a recruiter. >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Sebastian Pawlu? < >> sebastian.pawlus at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey, >>> >>> This might be odd question to ask here, since the list about Python and >>> should probably stay as one. But living in Europe I don't know anyone from >>> this part of the world and as Python programmer myself I know how Python >>> community is a friendly entity ;) >>> >>> Anyway, the real thing is. >>> >>> A while ago I created an aggregator for jobs (like all it jobs). It's >>> called https://whoishiring.io, then short after a person on the twitter >>> suggested that I should add www.seek.com.au as a source, and I did just >>> that. >>> >>> But then I've found out that a lot (a lot >>> ) of >>> this jobs are from recruiters companies. I even created a blacklist >>> and >>> planning to filter against it and exclude those jobs from listing. I don't >>> like them, the website was created to increase visibility of job posts, by >>> covering real company name with theirs they secretly not helping, and the >>> list of problems with it recruiters is longer. >>> >>> The real question is should I do it. Should I filter recruiters out from >>> this part of the world? Do you guys see any values in those jobs posts, are >>> recruiters as bad and annoying as here? >>> >>> Again if this not something that should go on the list, apologies. But >>> still I would like to know the your opinion so private emails welcome. >>> >>> Best, >>> Sebastian Pawlu?. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> melbourne-pug mailing list >>> melbourne-pug at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> melbourne-pug mailing list >> melbourne-pug at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I probably have enough that a Python employer would be interested to help me reach to the next level" David From john.knight at tequity.com.au Wed Jul 6 23:08:14 2016 From: john.knight at tequity.com.au (John Knight) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:08:14 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Any value in recruiters job posts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5a3cb01d1d7fc$ceb0f8d0$6c12ea70$@tequity.com.au> Hi! As an independent Tech Agent in Melbourne, I have helped many Python Devs land better gigs in both contract and permanent capacities. It is a shame to hear horror stories from people like you but the reality is that you don?t have to dig too deep to hear them! If an agency recruiter simply advertises online and filters responses then I can see how that adds little value. If the typical agency experience wasn?t so ?hit and miss? then company bosses would love to outsource the headache of hiring. And, people at the ?thinking stage? of changing jobs would happily benefit from the contacts and competencies of a discreet and resourceful Tech Agent. I?ve recently started a company from Melbourne, designed to combat the norm and solve the disconnect between conventional recruitment agencies, and well... everyone else. Check out www.saltworth.com.au In short, I think there will always be the big recruitment firms servicing large corporate blue chip accounts. In the fullness of time I see a change in the industry where the raft of medium-sized recruitment agencies will dwindle and more independent Tech Agents will emerge who actively manage and promote sought-after SW Engineers properly. After all, if you can open up custom opportunities for people and offer firms potential hires on an exclusive basis, then that?s got to be a service worth paying for ? especially if the fees are around 10% or less. 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From: melbourne-pug [mailto:melbourne-pug-bounces+john.knight=tequity.com.au at python.org] On Behalf Of Sebastian Pawlus Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2016 7:13 PM To: Melbourne Python Users Group Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Any value in recruiters job posts? Much thanks you all for the input here. It looks like the pain with recruiters is shared across the glob on the similar level. I will make a test run and try to filter recruiters out and see how much is left of it. Maybe not all companies trusted them. Also after reading the input I should rephrase the question to "Would you apply for the job from recruiters add?" Also apologies for the latency to AU, I will try to fix that soon. Thanks again. On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Anthony Briggs > wrote: Hi Sebastian, My personal experience is that recruiters don't provide much, if any, value. The only job that I've sourced through a recruiter was a terrible, terrible PHP job that I quit after a week. I did have several interviews at around the same time, but a) you need to be head and shoulders above the competition for them to consider you, given recruiter's fees (~20% of the annual salary IIRC), and b) if you are head and shoulders above, then you'll be getting cold calls from various companies anyway and/or will be a relative shoe-in at most interviews. I've managed to get off most recruiter books after several years of working on my own stuff, but I used to get a raft of calls from them whenever a senior Python position came up. At one place I worked, it became a game to try and figure out the originating company given a particularly lazy cut+paste position from Seek or wherever. There may be some companies that work solely through a recruiter, but good luck filtering those out from the spam. Hope that helps, Anthony On 6 July 2016 at 13:08, Kiran Busi > wrote: If the job is is specific to a real role, not generic information farming, then I see it having some value. That said, I much prefer dealing with companies directly vs a recruiter. On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Sebastian Pawlu? > wrote: Hey, This might be odd question to ask here, since the list about Python and should probably stay as one. But living in Europe I don't know anyone from this part of the world and as Python programmer myself I know how Python community is a friendly entity ;) Anyway, the real thing is. A while ago I created an aggregator for jobs (like all it jobs). It's called https://whoishiring.io, then short after a person on the twitter suggested that I should add www.seek.com.au as a source, and I did just that. But then I've found out that a lot (a lot ) of this jobs are from recruiters companies. I even created a blacklist and planning to filter against it and exclude those jobs from listing. I don't like them, the website was created to increase visibility of job posts, by covering real company name with theirs they secretly not helping, and the list of problems with it recruiters is longer. The real question is should I do it. Should I filter recruiters out from this part of the world? Do you guys see any values in those jobs posts, are recruiters as bad and annoying as here? Again if this not something that should go on the list, apologies. But still I would like to know the your opinion so private emails welcome. 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Theres a lot of features in python I can't do or Understand but > theres many other features I have used extensivly. and I know where and how to look up stuff when necessary I probably have > enough that a Python employer would be interested to help me reach to > the next level" I'm a potential Python employer and I'm not interested in funding your growth as a developer. However, if you are sufficiently competent to do the job in the first place at the salary offered I am definitely interested in funding your ongoing professional development on a shared basis. IOW your time (mostly) and my resources such as courses, books, conferences etc. That is a win-win for us both. In my opinion, if you know how to discover stuff you are sufficiently competent to hold down a junior position. If you know where your weaknesses are you are sufficiently competent to hold down a mid-line job. If know where your weaknesses are *and* you also have problem-domain experience *or* you are somewhat battle-hardened with a decent wisdom-quotient you are sufficiently competent to hold down a senior job. Cheers Mike > > David > > > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > From brianna.laugher at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 20:15:57 2016 From: brianna.laugher at gmail.com (Brianna Laugher) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:15:57 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Invited speaker announcement: Solange Cunin Message-ID: The PyCon Australia 2016 team is over the moon to announce that our invited dinner speaker will be Solange Cunin. A passionate advocate with a mission to drive student engagement with science and technology, Solange Cunin is the founder and CEO of Australian startup Quberider. Soon to graduate from the University of New South Wales with a Bachelors in Mathematics and Aerospace Engineering, Solange already boasts both space industry and startup experience and has designed satellite systems for major Australian universities. In a few months Quberider will be delivering experiments designed in Australian classrooms to the International Space Station, in an Australian first. ?Like Solange, we are passionate about engaging students with science and technology, and it?s hard to imagine a better way to exercise the grey matter than by exploring dark matter,? said Richard Jones, conference chair. ?The success of the Python in Education miniconf at PyCon Australia shows that there is a lot of gravity attracting developers and educators in joining forces, and Quberider is a rising star in the constellation of new space startups.? We can?t wait to hear Solange?s talk and find out how Quberider is using Python to inspire interest at the intersection of science and space. Will you join us at the launchpad? Registrations for PyCon Australia 2016 are already open and tickets are selling fast. Don?t let the conference eclipse you - book your ticket today! https://2016.pycon-au.org/register/prices === About PyCon Australia === PyCon Australia is the national conference for the Python programming community. The seventh PyCon Australia will be held on August 12-16 2016 in Melbourne, bringing together professional, student and enthusiast developers with a love for programming in Python. PyCon Australia informs the country?s developers with presentations by experts and core developers of Python, as well as the libraries and frameworks that they rely on. To find out more about PyCon Australia 2016, visit our website at http://pycon-au.org, follow us at @pyconau or e-mail us at contact at pycon-au.org. 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What I was really meaning was that it would be great to work with skilled people who I could ask questions of. Sort of Mentors rather than trainers. The sort of people who could code review and observe there were better ways of doing things or different ways. Not so much a full on training. Although now I read what I wrote it both locations it could still come accross that way. Either way, I have a better idea how to write my resume to sell the skills I have already. Regards, David On Thu, 7 Jul 2016, Mike Dewhirst wrote: > On 7/07/2016 1:33 PM, David Crisp wrote: >> I have been catching up with a lot of my Python blogs at the moment, and >> as I read through one of them a thought came to me. >> >> How much Python do you need to know (or how confident do you need to be >> with Python) before you put it on your Resume. And how do you go about >> explaining the level of skill you have with it. >> >> At what point can you say to yourself "Yeah, I can put Python on my >> resume. Theres a lot of features in python I can't do or Understand but >> theres many other features I have used extensivly. > > and I know where and how to look up stuff when necessary > > > I probably have >> enough that a Python employer would be interested to help me reach to >> the next level" > > I'm a potential Python employer and I'm not interested in funding your growth > as a developer. However, if you are sufficiently competent to do the job in > the first place at the salary offered I am definitely interested in funding > your ongoing professional development on a shared basis. IOW your time > (mostly) and my resources such as courses, books, conferences etc. That is a > win-win for us both. > > In my opinion, if you know how to discover stuff you are sufficiently > competent to hold down a junior position. > > If you know where your weaknesses are you are sufficiently competent to hold > down a mid-line job. > > If know where your weaknesses are *and* you also have problem-domain > experience *or* you are somewhat battle-hardened with a decent > wisdom-quotient you are sufficiently competent to hold down a senior job. > > Cheers > > Mike > > >> >> David >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> melbourne-pug mailing list >> melbourne-pug at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug >> > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > From miked at dewhirst.com.au Fri Jul 8 01:43:25 2016 From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 15:43:25 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Putting Python on ones resume In-Reply-To: References: <08dbb103-0ad2-f24c-d8cb-a4d909bf243b@dewhirst.com.au> Message-ID: <07bec890-0d75-846f-f431-5ba6fb948f7a@dewhirst.com.au> On 8/07/2016 2:30 PM, David Crisp wrote: > Thanks Mike, > > Your response provides a neat and clear outline on how to assess skills > for a resume. At least for the purposes I was looking for. You are welcome. On reflection, I think computer science competence is more important than the actual programming language. And then Joel Spolsky's take on resumes http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/SortingResumes.html might be interesting. You've probably seen it anyway. > > The way I worded my comment about having the employer help me reach the > next level probably sounded less how I meant it. What I was really > meaning was that it would be great to work with skilled people who I > could ask questions of. Sort of Mentors rather than trainers. The > sort of people who could code review and observe there were better ways > of doing things or different ways. Not so much a full on training. > Although now I read what I wrote it both locations it could still come > accross that way. > > Either way, I have a better idea how to write my resume to sell the > skills I have already. > > Regards, > David > > > On Thu, 7 Jul 2016, Mike Dewhirst wrote: > >> On 7/07/2016 1:33 PM, David Crisp wrote: >>> I have been catching up with a lot of my Python blogs at the moment, and >>> as I read through one of them a thought came to me. >>> >>> How much Python do you need to know (or how confident do you need to be >>> with Python) before you put it on your Resume. And how do you go about >>> explaining the level of skill you have with it. >>> >>> At what point can you say to yourself "Yeah, I can put Python on my >>> resume. Theres a lot of features in python I can't do or Understand but >>> theres many other features I have used extensivly. >> >> and I know where and how to look up stuff when necessary >> >> >> I probably have >>> enough that a Python employer would be interested to help me reach to >>> the next level" >> >> I'm a potential Python employer and I'm not interested in funding your >> growth as a developer. However, if you are sufficiently competent to >> do the job in the first place at the salary offered I am definitely >> interested in funding your ongoing professional development on a >> shared basis. IOW your time (mostly) and my resources such as courses, >> books, conferences etc. That is a win-win for us both. >> >> In my opinion, if you know how to discover stuff you are sufficiently >> competent to hold down a junior position. >> >> If you know where your weaknesses are you are sufficiently competent >> to hold down a mid-line job. >> >> If know where your weaknesses are *and* you also have problem-domain >> experience *or* you are somewhat battle-hardened with a decent >> wisdom-quotient you are sufficiently competent to hold down a senior job. >> >> Cheers >> >> Mike >> >> >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> melbourne-pug mailing list >>> melbourne-pug at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> melbourne-pug mailing list >> melbourne-pug at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug >> > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > From brianna.laugher at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 20:12:25 2016 From: brianna.laugher at gmail.com (Brianna Laugher) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:12:25 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Announcing keynote Dr Russell Keith-Magee Message-ID: The PyCon Australia 2016 team is happy to announce that our first keynote speaker will be Dr Russell Keith-Magee. We?re familiar with Python as a scripting language, as a web server language, as a data analysis language, and as a teaching language. But is that the limit of where Python can be used? What is the future for Python on other platforms? Is the prospect of using Python on those platforms a novelty, or a viable way to fend off an existential threat to the language? And how does this threat intersect with other threats we have to our community, and to our industry? Dr Russell Keith-Magee is a 10 year veteran of the Django core team, and for 5 years, was President of the Django Software Foundation. He's also the founder of the BeeWare project, developing GUI tools to support the development of Python software. When he's not contributing to open source, he's the CTO of TradesCloud, a company providing integrated job management software for tradespeople. ?Python has long been available on ?all the platforms?, but it hasn't kept up with the massive increase in mobile devices,? said Richard Jones, conference chair. ?Russell has has been an exemplary community leader and his open source projects are doing the important work of addressing that lack of coverage.? We are excited to hear Russell?s keynote address and contemplate the multi-platform future of Python. Will you be there? Registrations for PyCon Australia 2016 are already open and tickets are selling fast. Book your conference ticket today! https://2016.pycon-au.org/register/prices === About PyCon Australia === PyCon Australia is the national conference for the Python programming community. The seventh PyCon Australia will be held on August 12-16 2016 in Melbourne, bringing together professional, student and enthusiast developers with a love for programming in Python. PyCon Australia informs the country?s developers with presentations by experts and core developers of Python, as well as the libraries and frameworks that they rely on. To find out more about PyCon Australia 2016, visit our website at http://pycon-au.org, follow us at @pyconau or e-mail us at contact at pycon-au.org. PyCon Australia is presented by Linux Australia (www.linux.org.au) and acknowledges the support of our Platinum Sponsors, DevDemand.co and IRESS; and our Gold sponsors, Google Australia and Optiver. For full details of our sponsors, see our website. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It comes with a free pass to the conference. We will also need some non-full-time folks to cover busy times. Badge Check - Verify attendee ticket validity at the entrance doors. Volunteers will be provided with a free T-Shirt and full-time volunteers' food and drink requirements will be looked after. This is a great opportunity to experience a Python conference first-hand and to connect with like-minded Python enthusiasts. There will be a training session in the evening of Thursday 11th at the MCEC for all non-A/V volunteers. The A/V volunteers will have training at a time to be determined. To sign up: Non session chairs: just respond to this mail indicating how you'd like to help out! Session Chairs: - Go to: https://2016.pycon-au.org/wiki/SessionChairing - Sign in with your PyCon account credentials - Add your name to your preferred slot(s). 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The team behind PyCon AU is an all volunteer team and we > need your help to make the show run as smoothly as possible, so we?re now > calling for on the ground volunteers to complete the team. > > We aim to recruit volunteers to assist us with the following: > > A/V staff - Run our video recording system (complete training provided). > This is a full-time position and not suitable for attendees. It comes with > a free pass to the conference. > > Session Chairing - Help run a room during talks over one or more sessions > (see the wiki below). Strongly recommended for first-time speakers. > > Registration Desk - Handle the registration desk. This is a full-time > position and not suitable for attendees. It comes with a free pass to the > conference. We will also need some non-full-time folks to cover busy times. > > Badge Check - Verify attendee ticket validity at the entrance doors. > > Volunteers will be provided with a free T-Shirt and full-time volunteers' > food and drink requirements will be looked after. This is a great > opportunity to experience a Python conference first-hand and to connect > with like-minded Python enthusiasts. > > There will be a training session in the evening of Thursday 11th at the > MCEC for all non-A/V volunteers. The A/V volunteers will have training at a > time to be determined. > > To sign up: > Non session chairs: just respond to this mail indicating how you'd like to > help out! > > Session Chairs: > - Go to: https://2016.pycon-au.org/wiki/SessionChairing > - Sign in with your PyCon account credentials > - Add your name to your preferred slot(s). > > > PyCon AU 2016 will run from 12-14 August 2016 at the Melbourne Convention > and Exhibition Centre. > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.knight at saltworth.com.au Fri Jul 22 00:01:25 2016 From: john.knight at saltworth.com.au (John Knight) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 04:01:25 +0000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCon Australia 2016 is calling for volunteers! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi there ? please can you explain more about the Session Chairing and what this typically entails? With thanks, John [Saltworth? Pty Ltd] Thinking about a new gig? http://www.saltworth.com.au/yes-i-make-tech-work-for-people/ John Knight / Tech Agent & Founder john.knight at saltworth.com.au M +61 402 234 813 Saltworth? Pty Ltd P +61 3 9670 9056 Atlantis Tower, Suite 3201/288 Spencer St.Melbourne. VIC 3000 Are you worth your salt? http://www.saltworth.com.au [Twitter] [Facebook] [LinkedIn] [Youtube] [Vimeo] [htmlsig.com] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER: This email (including any attachment to it) is confidential and may also be privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email (including any attachment to it) from your computer system. We do not assure the security of information electronically transmitted and your communication with us through such means signifies your acceptance of any risk attaching thereto. Any statement contained herein is not to be construed as an offer to enter into any contractual obligation nor an acceptance of any offer. Thank you! From: melbourne-pug [mailto:melbourne-pug-bounces+john.knight=tequity.com.au at python.org] On Behalf Of PyCon AU Sent: Friday, 22 July 2016 12:44 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCon Australia 2016 is calling for volunteers! Gain a new perspective on PyCon AU 2016, working behind the scenes to make the event happen. The team behind PyCon AU is an all volunteer team and we need your help to make the show run as smoothly as possible, so we?re now calling for on the ground volunteers to complete the team. We aim to recruit volunteers to assist us with the following: A/V staff - Run our video recording system (complete training provided). This is a full-time position and not suitable for attendees. It comes with a free pass to the conference. Session Chairing - Help run a room during talks over one or more sessions (see the wiki below). Strongly recommended for first-time speakers. Registration Desk - Handle the registration desk. This is a full-time position and not suitable for attendees. It comes with a free pass to the conference. We will also need some non-full-time folks to cover busy times. Badge Check - Verify attendee ticket validity at the entrance doors. Volunteers will be provided with a free T-Shirt and full-time volunteers' food and drink requirements will be looked after. This is a great opportunity to experience a Python conference first-hand and to connect with like-minded Python enthusiasts. There will be a training session in the evening of Thursday 11th at the MCEC for all non-A/V volunteers. The A/V volunteers will have training at a time to be determined. 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I can also help with anything that needs doing, not fussed, but yeah, would love to contribute to this. Cheers, Tim Nibert 0468633630 On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:44 PM, PyCon AU wrote: > Gain a new perspective on PyCon AU 2016, working behind the scenes to make > the event happen. The team behind PyCon AU is an all volunteer team and we > need your help to make the show run as smoothly as possible, so we?re now > calling for on the ground volunteers to complete the team. > > We aim to recruit volunteers to assist us with the following: > > A/V staff - Run our video recording system (complete training provided). > This is a full-time position and not suitable for attendees. It comes with > a free pass to the conference. > > Session Chairing - Help run a room during talks over one or more sessions > (see the wiki below). Strongly recommended for first-time speakers. > > Registration Desk - Handle the registration desk. This is a full-time > position and not suitable for attendees. It comes with a free pass to the > conference. We will also need some non-full-time folks to cover busy times. > > Badge Check - Verify attendee ticket validity at the entrance doors. > > Volunteers will be provided with a free T-Shirt and full-time volunteers' > food and drink requirements will be looked after. This is a great > opportunity to experience a Python conference first-hand and to connect > with like-minded Python enthusiasts. > > There will be a training session in the evening of Thursday 11th at the > MCEC for all non-A/V volunteers. The A/V volunteers will have training at a > time to be determined. > > To sign up: > Non session chairs: just respond to this mail indicating how you'd like to > help out! > > Session Chairs: > - Go to: https://2016.pycon-au.org/wiki/SessionChairing > - Sign in with your PyCon account credentials > - Add your name to your preferred slot(s). > > > PyCon AU 2016 will run from 12-14 August 2016 at the Melbourne Convention > and Exhibition Centre. > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 21:33:03 2016 From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:33:03 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCon Australia 2016 is calling for volunteers! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 22 July 2016 at 14:01, John Knight wrote: > Hi there ? please can you explain more about the Session Chairing and what > this typically entails? > Session chairs ensure that the talk: 1. starts on time including introducing the speaker, 2. runs to time, and 3. adheres to our conference Code of Conduct. Sessions are either 2 or 3 talks, depending on the specific session. Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.knight at saltworth.com.au Sun Jul 24 23:56:46 2016 From: john.knight at saltworth.com.au (John Knight) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 03:56:46 +0000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] FAO: Richard! RE: PyCon Australia 2016 volunteering! Message-ID: Hi Richard I can definitely volunteer and attend on the Friday (all day for every session). Saturday morning and Sunday afternoon is possible. I?d also be happy to contribute financially as well ? Please let me know the next steps, John [Saltworth Pty Ltd] Are you worth your salt? http://www.saltworth.com.au John Knight / Founder M: +61 402 234 813 Saltworth Pty Ltd P: +61 3 9670 9056 Atlantis Tower, Suite 3201/288 Spencer Street. Melbourne, Victoria 3000 [Twitter] [Facebook] [LinkedIn] [Youtube] [Vimeo] [htmlsig.com] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER: This email (including any attachment to it) is confidential and may also be privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email (including any attachment to it) from your computer system. We do not assure the security of information electronically transmitted and your communication with us through such means signifies your acceptance of any risk attaching thereto. Any statement contained herein is not to be construed as an offer to enter into any contractual obligation nor an acceptance of any offer. Thank you! From: melbourne-pug [mailto:melbourne-pug-bounces+john.knight=tequity.com.au at python.org] On Behalf Of Richard Jones Sent: Monday, 25 July 2016 11:33 AM To: Melbourne Python Users Group Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] PyCon Australia 2016 is calling for volunteers! On 22 July 2016 at 14:01, John Knight > wrote: Hi there ? please can you explain more about the Session Chairing and what this typically entails? Session chairs ensure that the talk: 1. starts on time including introducing the speaker, 2. runs to time, and 3. adheres to our conference Code of Conduct. Sessions are either 2 or 3 talks, depending on the specific session. Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teh.ivo at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 02:21:03 2016 From: teh.ivo at gmail.com (Matthew Iversen) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:21:03 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Any value in recruiters job posts? In-Reply-To: <5a3cb01d1d7fc$ceb0f8d0$6c12ea70$@tequity.com.au> References: <5a3cb01d1d7fc$ceb0f8d0$6c12ea70$@tequity.com.au> Message-ID: 1) looking on seek or similar at any particular point in time yields plenty of adverts that are so incredibly vague and/or obfuscated that I'm tempted believe many or even most are simply resuming farming honeypots. Furthermore, most details I'd like to find out about a company advertising a position (gauging for myself whether the position would be a good fit, location, and atmosphere saves everyone's time) are *precisely* those an agency filters out of their posting, I guess so I have no chance of discerning who they are advertising for. Making their ads recognizeably terrible. 2) recruiters who care about finding *good* matchups for potential employers and employees, and are intelligent / informed enough to do so, seem few and far between. 3) if you can devise something to filter only worthwhile cases for 1) and 2), you are a smarter man than me. On 7 Jul 2016 1:49 PM, "John Knight" wrote: > > Hi! As an independent Tech Agent in Melbourne, I have helped many Python Devs land better gigs in both contract and permanent capacities. It is a shame to hear horror stories from people like you but the reality is that you don?t have to dig too deep to hear them! If an agency recruiter simply advertises online and filters responses then I can see how that adds little value. > > > > If the typical agency experience wasn?t so ?hit and miss? then company bosses would love to outsource the headache of hiring. And, people at the ?thinking stage? of changing jobs would happily benefit from the contacts and competencies of a discreet and resourceful Tech Agent. I?ve recently started a company from Melbourne, designed to combat the norm and solve the disconnect between conventional recruitment agencies, and well... everyone else. Check out www.saltworth.com.au > > > > In short, I think there will always be the big recruitment firms servicing large corporate blue chip accounts. In the fullness of time I see a change in the industry where the raft of medium-sized recruitment agencies will dwindle and more independent Tech Agents will emerge who actively manage and promote sought-after SW Engineers properly. After all, if you can open up custom opportunities for people and offer firms potential hires on an exclusive basis, then that?s got to be a service worth paying for ? especially if the fees are around 10% or less. > > > > Best, John > > > > John Knight / Tech Agent & Founder > john.knight at saltworth.com.au > > M +61 402 234 813 > > > > Saltworth? Pty Ltd > P +61 3 9670 9056 > Atlantis Tower, Suite 3201/288 Spencer St.Melbourne. VIC 3000 > http://www.saltworth.com.au > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER: This email (including any attachment to it) is confidential and may also be privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email (including any attachment to it) from your computer system. We do not assure the security of information electronically transmitted and your communication with us through such means signifies your acceptance of any risk attaching thereto. Any statement contained herein is not to be construed as an offer to enter into any contractual obligation nor an acceptance of any offer. Thank you! > > > > > > > > From: melbourne-pug [mailto:melbourne-pug-bounces+john.knight= tequity.com.au at python.org] On Behalf Of Sebastian Pawlus > Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2016 7:13 PM > To: Melbourne Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Any value in recruiters job posts? > > > > Much thanks you all for the input here. > > > > It looks like the pain with recruiters is shared across the glob on the similar level. I will make a test run and try to filter recruiters out and see how much is left of it. Maybe not all companies trusted them. > > > > Also after reading the input I should rephrase the question to "Would you apply for the job from recruiters add?" > > > > Also apologies for the latency to AU, I will try to fix that soon. > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Anthony Briggs wrote: >> >> Hi Sebastian, >> >> >> >> My personal experience is that recruiters don't provide much, if any, value. >> >> >> >> The only job that I've sourced through a recruiter was a terrible, terrible PHP job that I quit after a week. I did have several interviews at around the same time, but a) you need to be head and shoulders above the competition for them to consider you, given recruiter's fees (~20% of the annual salary IIRC), and b) if you are head and shoulders above, then you'll be getting cold calls from various companies anyway and/or will be a relative shoe-in at most interviews. >> >> >> >> I've managed to get off most recruiter books after several years of working on my own stuff, but I used to get a raft of calls from them whenever a senior Python position came up. At one place I worked, it became a game to try and figure out the originating company given a particularly lazy cut+paste position from Seek or wherever. >> >> >> >> There may be some companies that work solely through a recruiter, but good luck filtering those out from the spam. >> >> >> >> Hope that helps, >> >> >> >> Anthony >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6 July 2016 at 13:08, Kiran Busi wrote: >>> >>> If the job is is specific to a real role, not generic information farming, then I see it having some value. >>> >>> >>> >>> That said, I much prefer dealing with companies directly vs a recruiter. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Sebastian Pawlu? < sebastian.pawlus at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This might be odd question to ask here, since the list about Python and should probably stay as one. But living in Europe I don't know anyone from this part of the world and as Python programmer myself I know how Python community is a friendly entity ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anyway, the real thing is. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A while ago I created an aggregator for jobs (like all it jobs). It's called https://whoishiring.io, then short after a person on the twitter suggested that I should add www.seek.com.au as a source, and I did just that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But then I've found out that a lot (a lot) of this jobs are from recruiters companies. I even created a blacklist and planning to filter against it and exclude those jobs from listing. I don't like them, the website was created to increase visibility of job posts, by covering real company name with theirs they secretly not helping, and the list of problems with it recruiters is longer. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The real question is should I do it. Should I filter recruiters out from this part of the world? Do you guys see any values in those jobs posts, are recruiters as bad and annoying as here? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Again if this not something that should go on the list, apologies. 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He has built a successful company based on MicroPython and the pyboard, brought it to makers, teachers and industry developers around the world, worked with the BBC on the micro:bit project, and embarked on projects with the European Space Agency to bring MicroPython into space. ?Damien?s work, and continuing community efforts, have been an important part of the Python ecosystem,? said Richard Jones, conference chair. ?I?m especially excited to hear Damien talk through the journey of dreaming up and implementing a whole new Python just for the smallest possible deployments, on microcontrollers, and where that journey has taken him.? We are fascinated to hear Damien?s keynote address and hear about MicroPython in our macro universe. Will you be there? Registrations for PyCon Australia 2016 are already open and tickets are almost sold out. Book your conference ticket today! https://2016.pycon-au.org/register/prices === About PyCon Australia === PyCon Australia is the national conference for the Python programming community. The seventh PyCon Australia will be held on August 12-16 2016 in Melbourne, bringing together professional, student and enthusiast developers with a love for programming in Python. PyCon Australia informs the country?s developers with presentations by experts and core developers of Python, as well as the libraries and frameworks that they rely on. To find out more about PyCon Australia 2016, visit our website at http://pycon-au.org, follow us at @pyconau or e-mail us at contact at pycon-au.org. PyCon Australia is presented by Linux Australia (www.linux.org.au) and acknowledges the support of our Platinum Sponsors, DevDemand.co and IRESS; and our Gold sponsors, Google Australia and Optiver. 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