From pizza at netspace.net.au  Sun Feb  1 01:09:42 2015
From: pizza at netspace.net.au (Jason King)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 11:09:42 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] meeting?
Message-ID: <54CD6EC6.1020705@netspace.net.au>

so, do I have to make do with LCA2015 videos and frozen pizza tomorrow 
night,
or is there a mpug meeting?

have mercy on my tastebuds, frozen pizza just isn't as good as the freshly
cooked stuff.

From ed at pythoncharmers.com  Sun Feb  1 07:25:48 2015
From: ed at pythoncharmers.com (Ed Schofield)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 17:25:48 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] meeting?
In-Reply-To: <54CD6EC6.1020705@netspace.net.au>
References: <54CD6EC6.1020705@netspace.net.au>
Message-ID: <F09CEA5D-193B-49F7-B847-AB74AF035BA5@pythoncharmers.com>

Hi Jason,

> On 1 Feb 2015, at 11:09 am, Jason King <pizza at netspace.net.au> wrote:
> 
> so, do I have to make do with LCA2015 videos and frozen pizza tomorrow night,
> or is there a mpug meeting?

Yes, there's a meeting tomorrow night. 6pm at Insipre9. :) It looks like it'll be a good turnout: at least 30 people according to the Meetup site. Quite a few new faces too.

The current program is:

- Ryan Verner: "A Python-based workflow for capturing and publishing video from conference talks"
- Ed Schofield: "What's New in Python"

We have a slot available for another talk too. Would anyone like to step forward?

Cheers,
    Ed


--
Dr. Edward Schofield
Python Charmers
http://pythoncharmers.com <http://pythoncharmers.com/>

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From h.dashnow at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 02:01:05 2015
From: h.dashnow at gmail.com (Harriet Dashnow)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 12:01:05 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Call for code nominations for Elegant SciPy!
Message-ID: <CAKouk=RoRw_BhLnm6Gk1vcAzSKPEXq1Dg+L9nYM78cYep1+RLg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Juan Nunez-Iglesias, St?fan van der Walt, and I will be writing an O?Reilly
book about the SciPy library and the surrounding ecosystem. The book is
called Elegant SciPy, and is intended to teach SciPy to fledgling
Pythonistas, guided by the most elegant SciPy code examples that we can
find.

Each chapter will have one or two snippets that we will work towards. Each
of these will be credited as ?written by/nominated by?, and needs to be
published under a permissive license such as MIT, BSD, or public domain to
be considered for inclusion.

So, if you recently came across scientific Python code that made you go
?Wow!? with its elegance, simplicity, cleverness, or power, please point us
to it!

For more details, or to nominate code snippets, please check out Juan's
blog post:
http://ilovesymposia.com/2015/02/04/call-for-code-nominations-for-elegant-scipy/

Warm regards,
Harriet

-- 
Harriet Dashnow
BSc, BA, MSc (Bioinformatics)
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From noonslists at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 07:04:51 2015
From: noonslists at gmail.com (Noon Silk)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 17:04:51 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Call for code nominations for Elegant SciPy!
In-Reply-To: <CAKouk=RoRw_BhLnm6Gk1vcAzSKPEXq1Dg+L9nYM78cYep1+RLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKouk=RoRw_BhLnm6Gk1vcAzSKPEXq1Dg+L9nYM78cYep1+RLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADt_azZTMpqv4Ch=po3v51mnGLTriaDzpJmy0cvvpGmJipTv3w@mail.gmail.com>

I nominate anything from here:

 - http://reproduced-papers.github.io/

For example:

  -
http://nbviewer.ipython.org/github/jrjohansson/reproduced-papers/blob/master/Reproduce-PRA-56-4175-1997-Bose.ipynb

or

  -
http://nbviewer.ipython.org/github/jrjohansson/reproduced-papers/blob/master/Reproduce-SIAM-JCO-46-445-2007-Mirrahimi.ipynb


On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Harriet Dashnow <h.dashnow at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Juan Nunez-Iglesias, St?fan van der Walt, and I will be writing an
> O?Reilly book about the SciPy library and the surrounding ecosystem. The
> book is called Elegant SciPy, and is intended to teach SciPy to fledgling
> Pythonistas, guided by the most elegant SciPy code examples that we can
> find.
>
> Each chapter will have one or two snippets that we will work towards. Each
> of these will be credited as ?written by/nominated by?, and needs to be
> published under a permissive license such as MIT, BSD, or public domain to
> be considered for inclusion.
>
> So, if you recently came across scientific Python code that made you go
> ?Wow!? with its elegance, simplicity, cleverness, or power, please point us
> to it!
>
> For more details, or to nominate code snippets, please check out Juan's
> blog post:
>
> http://ilovesymposia.com/2015/02/04/call-for-code-nominations-for-elegant-scipy/
>
> Warm regards,
> Harriet
>
> --
> Harriet Dashnow
> BSc, BA, MSc (Bioinformatics)
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>


-- 
Noon Silk, ?

https://sites.google.com/site/noonsilk/

"Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
of being this signature."
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From noonslists at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 07:06:22 2015
From: noonslists at gmail.com (Noon Silk)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 17:06:22 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Call for code nominations for Elegant SciPy!
In-Reply-To: <CADt_azZTMpqv4Ch=po3v51mnGLTriaDzpJmy0cvvpGmJipTv3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKouk=RoRw_BhLnm6Gk1vcAzSKPEXq1Dg+L9nYM78cYep1+RLg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADt_azZTMpqv4Ch=po3v51mnGLTriaDzpJmy0cvvpGmJipTv3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADt_azb_vkK7GvSM9byHrKBd53UzMUBAHyA77Bq9RqP9YYt7zg@mail.gmail.com>

ps, you should make the subtitle of the book "SciPy to live by!"

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Noon Silk <noonslists at gmail.com> wrote:

> I nominate anything from here:
>
>  - http://reproduced-papers.github.io/
>
> For example:
>
>   -
> http://nbviewer.ipython.org/github/jrjohansson/reproduced-papers/blob/master/Reproduce-PRA-56-4175-1997-Bose.ipynb
>
> or
>
>   -
> http://nbviewer.ipython.org/github/jrjohansson/reproduced-papers/blob/master/Reproduce-SIAM-JCO-46-445-2007-Mirrahimi.ipynb
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Harriet Dashnow <h.dashnow at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Juan Nunez-Iglesias, St?fan van der Walt, and I will be writing an
>> O?Reilly book about the SciPy library and the surrounding ecosystem. The
>> book is called Elegant SciPy, and is intended to teach SciPy to fledgling
>> Pythonistas, guided by the most elegant SciPy code examples that we can
>> find.
>>
>> Each chapter will have one or two snippets that we will work towards.
>> Each of these will be credited as ?written by/nominated by?, and needs to
>> be published under a permissive license such as MIT, BSD, or public domain
>> to be considered for inclusion.
>>
>> So, if you recently came across scientific Python code that made you go
>> ?Wow!? with its elegance, simplicity, cleverness, or power, please point us
>> to it!
>>
>> For more details, or to nominate code snippets, please check out Juan's
>> blog post:
>>
>> http://ilovesymposia.com/2015/02/04/call-for-code-nominations-for-elegant-scipy/
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Harriet
>>
>> --
>> Harriet Dashnow
>> BSc, BA, MSc (Bioinformatics)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Noon Silk, ?
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/noonsilk/
>
> "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
> of being this signature."
>



-- 
Noon Silk, ?

https://sites.google.com/site/noonsilk/

"Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
of being this signature."
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From jni.soma at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 07:11:40 2015
From: jni.soma at gmail.com (Juan Nunez-Iglesias)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 17:11:40 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Call for code nominations for Elegant SciPy!
In-Reply-To: <CADt_azb_vkK7GvSM9byHrKBd53UzMUBAHyA77Bq9RqP9YYt7zg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKouk=RoRw_BhLnm6Gk1vcAzSKPEXq1Dg+L9nYM78cYep1+RLg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADt_azZTMpqv4Ch=po3v51mnGLTriaDzpJmy0cvvpGmJipTv3w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADt_azb_vkK7GvSM9byHrKBd53UzMUBAHyA77Bq9RqP9YYt7zg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JHcKQdt2+2oN7wuYCSNgZOFOLOr7SBK76DtwSTpnys_0mL7A@mail.gmail.com>

Noon, "from foo import *" is an instant disqualify. =P =P =P

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Noon Silk <noonslists at gmail.com> wrote:

> ps, you should make the subtitle of the book "SciPy to live by!"
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Noon Silk <noonslists at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I nominate anything from here:
>>
>>  - http://reproduced-papers.github.io/
>>
>> For example:
>>
>>   -
>> http://nbviewer.ipython.org/github/jrjohansson/reproduced-papers/blob/master/Reproduce-PRA-56-4175-1997-Bose.ipynb
>>
>> or
>>
>>   -
>> http://nbviewer.ipython.org/github/jrjohansson/reproduced-papers/blob/master/Reproduce-SIAM-JCO-46-445-2007-Mirrahimi.ipynb
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Harriet Dashnow <h.dashnow at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Juan Nunez-Iglesias, St?fan van der Walt, and I will be writing an
>>> O?Reilly book about the SciPy library and the surrounding ecosystem. The
>>> book is called Elegant SciPy, and is intended to teach SciPy to fledgling
>>> Pythonistas, guided by the most elegant SciPy code examples that we can
>>> find.
>>>
>>> Each chapter will have one or two snippets that we will work towards.
>>> Each of these will be credited as ?written by/nominated by?, and needs to
>>> be published under a permissive license such as MIT, BSD, or public domain
>>> to be considered for inclusion.
>>>
>>> So, if you recently came across scientific Python code that made you go
>>> ?Wow!? with its elegance, simplicity, cleverness, or power, please point us
>>> to it!
>>>
>>> For more details, or to nominate code snippets, please check out Juan's
>>> blog post:
>>>
>>> http://ilovesymposia.com/2015/02/04/call-for-code-nominations-for-elegant-scipy/
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Harriet
>>>
>>> --
>>> Harriet Dashnow
>>> BSc, BA, MSc (Bioinformatics)
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Noon Silk, ?
>>
>> https://sites.google.com/site/noonsilk/
>>
>> "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
>> of being this signature."
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Noon Silk, ?
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/noonsilk/
>
> "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
> of being this signature."
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>
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From carol at willowit.com.au  Tue Feb 10 22:00:47 2015
From: carol at willowit.com.au (Carol Wilson)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:00:47 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job ad to be posted
Message-ID: <7E5EDD3E-B5A8-45FE-8DD6-CCE022BDB078@willowit.com.au>

Hi

Simple question, where is the best place to place to place a job ad in melbourne-pug?

With thanks and regards
Jon

From javier at candeira.com  Tue Feb 10 23:11:49 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:11:49 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job ad to be posted
In-Reply-To: <7E5EDD3E-B5A8-45FE-8DD6-CCE022BDB078@willowit.com.au>
References: <7E5EDD3E-B5A8-45FE-8DD6-CCE022BDB078@willowit.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbeAWsvjO37773nNqBCguD+=1XaSNF=5NeuUfvBVo4i_4w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Carol/Jon,

As long as it's a Python-related job, and by the hiring company and
not by an intermediary recruiting, you can just send it to the mailing
list.

If it's not Python-related, or the poster is a recruiter and not the
company that will be doing the hiring, please just use Seek or
Monster.

Regards,

MPUG

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Carol Wilson <carol at willowit.com.au> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Simple question, where is the best place to place to place a job ad in melbourne-pug?
>
> With thanks and regards
> Jon
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug

From graeme.gummow at g2sol.com.au  Tue Feb 10 23:37:41 2015
From: graeme.gummow at g2sol.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Graeme_Gummow_=28G=B2Sol=29?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:37:41 +0000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyQGIS skills wanted for Brainstorming Workshop
Message-ID: <9b60aa3729bd4b3b8a2223546434390b@IHM-PORT-E13M01.prdhosting.local>

I'm putting a one day workshop together for next step brainstorming a GIS project and want one more person with PyQGIS skills.
Technology in current build includes QGIS, Pyramid Web Framework, PostGIS. Project is for a secure browser based SaS model.
Contact: Graeme Gummow mailto:graeme.gummow at g2sol.com.au W: 03 9754 4621




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From jon at willowit.com.au  Wed Feb 11 22:08:30 2015
From: jon at willowit.com.au (Jonathan Wilson)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 08:08:30 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Employment opportunity
Message-ID: <CANnnaGH=_LOqdT7n_+c60epomH1HwYCsg96HNuzYEaxUoj_Xnw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

  Experienced Python Programmer ? Open Source ERP

Create unique solutions for our clients

Join award winning team

Participate in growing industry



?*About the Business*

Willow IT is an innovative and award winning IT company specialising in
customised ERP solutions using the leading Open Source package (Odoo). Our
clients cover a range of industries including manufacturing, wholesaling,
retailing, importing, supply chain and logistics. Due to continued growth
and a strong pipeline of new work we are now looking to recruit a talented,
customer-focused and motivated Python programmer, to join our successful
team in McKinnon, Melbourne.



*About the Role*

This is an exciting opportunity for an experienced programmer who is
passionate about open source development and is looking for a new role that
will challenge them and provide real career progression opportunities. In
this role you will be working alongside our team of highly skilled and
passionate IT specialists to create new and innovative ERP solutions for
our valued clients using Python and Javascript programming languages. You
will receive user and technical training in our primary application and be
given business development responsibilities to support this exciting growth
stage. Your responsibilities will require you to:



? Analyse, design and develop custom ERP solutions for our clients

? Collaborate with experienced application developers to complete client
projects

? Develop extensions to a leading Open Source ERP, CMS and eCommerce package

(Odoo ? formerly OpenERP)

? Manage assigned tasks from initiation to completion

? Work with open source report writers (Pentaho)

? After training, liaise directly with clients to identify needs, discuss
solutions and take responsibility for client outcomes



This is an exciting opportunity for the right person to be part of our
culture of teamwork, inclusion, and a passion for open source and achieving
excellence in all we do. You will report directly to the head of the
company and be given responsibilities commensurate with your skills and
experience, and the opportunity to manage your own work and time.

?

*About You*

This role will suit a person who is looking to take the next step in their
career, who is looking for greater autonomy in their role and an
opportunity to apply their programming experience to providing innovative
end-to-end solutions for real clients.


It is likely you could be an experienced programmer working in a larger
company who is ready to move to the next level or perhaps due to a
restructure you are looking for a fresh opportunity, alternatively you
could be a contractor who is looking for greater permanency and career
progression within a leading boutique firm. Your experience should include
business analysis and design, customer liaison, good working knowledge of
Python (or similar high level language), and ideally some experience with
Open Source ERP.


You describe yourself as a self-starter, motivated to provide quality
outcomes for clients. You are a team player who enjoys the creative
challenge of real-world problem solving with others, you enjoy learning new
technologies and you understand business processes and how to implement
them in an ERP framework. You have a bright and positive personality, love
getting involved in new challenges and enjoy a robust debate about
solutions. Ideally you understand the challenges of SME clients and can
explain technical issues in customer friendly terms.



We are looking for the right person with the following attributes:



-Recent Python programming experience minimum 5 years

-Experience in ERP systems including some analysis

-Experience working in Linux environment

-Familiarity with ?front-end? technologies such as Javascript, css, html,
bootstrap

-Familiarity with source code repositories such as GIT and Bazaar

-Knowledge of Agile development methods

-Ability to manage customer relationships

-Passion for solving real-world business needs

-Applicants with Odoo/OpenERP experience will be highly regarded

-Desirable, but not essential, basic knowledge of accounting principles

-Able to work as part of a small team

-Can work independently

-Tertiary qualifications in programming, project management, business
analysis or related area



Willow IT is a leader in the field of Open Source ERP solutions
experiencing sustained growth with excellent prospects for the future. If
you are a proactive, positive, self-starter with great Python programming
skills, and are looking for a role that will be equally stretching as it
will be rewarding, then this could be your next long term role.



Please send your CV together with a covering letter to :
info at willowit.com.au.


Thank you
Jonathan Wilson
www.willowit.com.au
ph: +61 3 8506 0393
mob: +61 4 000 17 444
*2013 OpenERP Best Partner Asia/Pacific*
*Creators of  Odoo-Pentaho integration project*
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From jon at willowit.com.au  Wed Feb 11 22:08:47 2015
From: jon at willowit.com.au (Jonathan Wilson)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 08:08:47 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job ad to be posted
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbeAWsvjO37773nNqBCguD+=1XaSNF=5NeuUfvBVo4i_4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7E5EDD3E-B5A8-45FE-8DD6-CCE022BDB078@willowit.com.au>
 <CAKADsbeAWsvjO37773nNqBCguD+=1XaSNF=5NeuUfvBVo4i_4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANnnaGFx-dUjV3AnqFm3WTBPSWpy1xy56yp9eMaRH7Dvtt2jfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks very much - have just posted!

Regards
Jon

Jonathan Wilson
www.willowit.com.au
ph: +61 3 8506 0393
mob: +61 4 000 17 444
*2013 OpenERP Best Partner Asia/Pacific*
*Creators of  Odoo-Pentaho integration project*





On 11 February 2015 at 09:11, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com> wrote:

> Hi, Carol/Jon,
>
> As long as it's a Python-related job, and by the hiring company and
> not by an intermediary recruiting, you can just send it to the mailing
> list.
>
> If it's not Python-related, or the poster is a recruiter and not the
> company that will be doing the hiring, please just use Seek or
> Monster.
>
> Regards,
>
> MPUG
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Carol Wilson <carol at willowit.com.au>
> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Simple question, where is the best place to place to place a job ad in
> melbourne-pug?
> >
> > With thanks and regards
> > Jon
> > _______________________________________________
> > melbourne-pug mailing list
> > melbourne-pug at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
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From javier at candeira.com  Wed Feb 11 22:48:43 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 08:48:43 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job ad to be posted
In-Reply-To: <CANnnaGFx-dUjV3AnqFm3WTBPSWpy1xy56yp9eMaRH7Dvtt2jfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7E5EDD3E-B5A8-45FE-8DD6-CCE022BDB078@willowit.com.au>
 <CAKADsbeAWsvjO37773nNqBCguD+=1XaSNF=5NeuUfvBVo4i_4w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANnnaGFx-dUjV3AnqFm3WTBPSWpy1xy56yp9eMaRH7Dvtt2jfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbfKMMzHGRTw8+-EaaR1EMEaXdwKL3LvM=meBvAVVRBmXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, looks great.

J

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Jonathan Wilson <jon at willowit.com.au>
wrote:

> Thanks very much - have just posted!
>
> Regards
> Jon
>
> Jonathan Wilson
> www.willowit.com.au
> ph: +61 3 8506 0393
> mob: +61 4 000 17 444
> *2013 OpenERP Best Partner Asia/Pacific*
> *Creators of  Odoo-Pentaho integration project*
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11 February 2015 at 09:11, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Carol/Jon,
>>
>> As long as it's a Python-related job, and by the hiring company and
>> not by an intermediary recruiting, you can just send it to the mailing
>> list.
>>
>> If it's not Python-related, or the poster is a recruiter and not the
>> company that will be doing the hiring, please just use Seek or
>> Monster.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> MPUG
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Carol Wilson <carol at willowit.com.au>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > Simple question, where is the best place to place to place a job ad in
>> melbourne-pug?
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From javier at candeira.com  Tue Feb 17 07:25:23 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:25:23 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python/Django job with nice people in Collingwood
Message-ID: <CAKADsbfj2J9Pw+7VmePeqBU2UrDofpqhcV5fY0XP6DkzBB=e7Q@mail.gmail.com>

My friends at Art Processors are looking for a full stack Django/JS person.

I've worked with them on and off for over two years, and they are
great. A++ would work again.

If interested, please read this: http://artprocessors.net/jobs/

Javier

From sarah at arcaustralia.com.au  Wed Feb 18 03:19:36 2015
From: sarah at arcaustralia.com.au (Sarah Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:19:36 +0000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python Database Developer Contract
Message-ID: <HKXPR06MB05678C7B13AF984A586435E2F22C0@HKXPR06MB0567.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

I'm urgently looking for a Python Developer for an initial 3 month contract (with likely extensions for the right person) in Melbourne to build a database for a large program using Python, Flask, PostgreSQL, etc in a UNIX/Linux environment.

This is exciting work within an interesting organization with the possibility of Pacific travel.

Ideally, you'll be in Melbourne and available immediately (or with little notice).

See http://www.seek.com.au/Job/28135464 for more information.

Please apply via the link above or contact me via email ASAP (ideally today) - contact details below.


Regards,
 .
   Sarah
 .

Ms. Sarah Goldberg  |  Account Manager
Allegro Recruitment Consulting Pty Ltd
(A Careers MultiList Agency Partner)

p: (03) 9570 8490  |  f: (03) 9570 8493
e: sarah at arcaustralia.com.au<http://www.arcaustralia.com.au/>  |  e: sarah.allegro at gmail.com<mailto:sarah.allegro at gmail.com>
w: www.arcaustralia.com.au<http://www.arcaustralia.com.au/>

Facebook: www.facebook.com/pages/Allegro-Recruitment-Consulting/145841978771683<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Allegro-Recruitment-Consulting/145841978771683>
Twitter: www.twitter.com/AllegroRC<http://www.twitter.com/AllegroRC>
LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/pub/sarah-goldberg/26/700/a2a

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From javier at candeira.com  Thu Feb 19 01:43:28 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:43:28 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python Database Developer Contract
In-Reply-To: <HKXPR06MB05678C7B13AF984A586435E2F22C0@HKXPR06MB0567.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAKADsbe=eNT-3+=uNPRTurpuZMz++qsp-D8hBktT-pwcV5AwzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Sarah,

Your job listing doesn't list who is the party looking for a developer. In
this mailing list we'd rather only receive requests for developers that
list the name of the requesting company.

I'm sure you understand. Would you give me the time of day if I told you I
have a developer for you, and to please look for a good position for them,
but didn't tell you who they are?

Exactly.

Regards,

Javier

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Sarah Goldberg <sarah at arcaustralia.com.au>
wrote:

>  Hi all
>
>
>
> I?m urgently looking for a Python Developer for an initial 3 month
> contract (with likely extensions for the right person) in Melbourne to
> build a database for a large program using Python, Flask, PostgreSQL, etc
> in a UNIX/Linux environment.
>
>
>
> This is exciting work within an interesting organization with the
> possibility of Pacific travel.
>
>
>
> Ideally, you?ll be in Melbourne and available immediately (or with little
> notice).
>
>
>
> See http://www.seek.com.au/Job/28135464 for more information.
>
>
>
> Please apply via the link above or contact me via email ASAP (ideally
> today) ? contact details below.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>  .
>
>    Sarah
>
>  .
>
>
>
> *Ms. Sarah Goldberg  **|  **Account Manager*
>
> *Allegro Recruitment Consulting Pty Ltd*
>
> *(A **Careers* *Multi**List** Agency Partner)*
>
>
>
> *p:* (03) 9570 8490  *|  f:* (03) 9570 8493
>
> *e: *sarah at arcaustralia.com.au <http://www.arcaustralia.com.au/>  *|  e: *
> sarah.allegro at gmail.com
>
> *w:* www.arcaustralia.com.au
>
>
>
> *Facebook: *
> www.facebook.com/pages/Allegro-Recruitment-Consulting/145841978771683
>
> *Twitter: *www.twitter.com/AllegroRC
>
> *LinkedIn: *http://au.linkedin.com/pub/sarah-goldberg/26/700/a2a
>
>
>
> *USA*
>
> *p:* (214) 556 6685 ? To contact Melbourne from the USA
>
> [image: Description: Description: Description: Description:
> cid:image001.jpg at 01C751C7.BFD7A130]
>
>
>
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From daryl at commoncode.com.au  Thu Feb 19 02:43:59 2015
From: daryl at commoncode.com.au (Daryl Antony)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:43:59 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] melbourne-pug Digest, Vol 104, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.114259.1424306610.18129.melbourne-pug@python.org>
References: <mailman.114259.1424306610.18129.melbourne-pug@python.org>
Message-ID: <CAADXKi9PtZa_zqpC-MuH0hoPZ0ZyEbga+WJ2XcXXq+Wc+LbGtQ@mail.gmail.com>

On that topic, python friends ? we at Common Code are on the general
lookout for coders to embark on projects kicking off in March.

Our shout for coffee.  Or come for beer at the next MelbDjango and say hi.

~ Daryl Antony :: Common Code :: m: 0423 972 657 a: 8 Studley St, Abbotsford

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> From: Sarah Goldberg <sarah at arcaustralia.com.au>
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> Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python Database Developer Contract
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi all
>
> I'm urgently looking for a Python Developer for an initial 3 month
> contract (with likely extensions for the right person) in Melbourne to
> build a database for a large program using Python, Flask, PostgreSQL, etc
> in a UNIX/Linux environment.
>
> This is exciting work within an interesting organization with the
> possibility of Pacific travel.
>
> Ideally, you'll be in Melbourne and available immediately (or with little
> notice).
>
> See http://www.seek.com.au/Job/28135464 for more information.
>
> Please apply via the link above or contact me via email ASAP (ideally
> today) - contact details below.
>
>
> Regards,
>  .
>    Sarah
>  .
>
> Ms. Sarah Goldberg  |  Account Manager
> Allegro Recruitment Consulting Pty Ltd
> (A Careers MultiList Agency Partner)
>
> p: (03) 9570 8490  |  f: (03) 9570 8493
> e: sarah at arcaustralia.com.au<http://www.arcaustralia.com.au/>  |  e:
> sarah.allegro at gmail.com<mailto:sarah.allegro at gmail.com>
> w: www.arcaustralia.com.au<http://www.arcaustralia.com.au/>
>
> Facebook:
> www.facebook.com/pages/Allegro-Recruitment-Consulting/145841978771683<
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Allegro-Recruitment-Consulting/145841978771683
> >
> Twitter: www.twitter.com/AllegroRC<http://www.twitter.com/AllegroRC>
> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/pub/sarah-goldberg/26/700/a2a
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> To: Melbourne Python Users Group <melbourne-pug at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Python Database Developer Contract
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>
> Hi, Sarah,
>
> Your job listing doesn't list who is the party looking for a developer. In
> this mailing list we'd rather only receive requests for developers that
> list the name of the requesting company.
>
> I'm sure you understand. Would you give me the time of day if I told you I
> have a developer for you, and to please look for a good position for them,
> but didn't tell you who they are?
>
> Exactly.
>
> Regards,
>
> Javier
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Sarah Goldberg <sarah at arcaustralia.com.au
> >
> wrote:
>
> >  Hi all
> >
> >
> >
> > I?m urgently looking for a Python Developer for an initial 3 month
> > contract (with likely extensions for the right person) in Melbourne to
> > build a database for a large program using Python, Flask, PostgreSQL, etc
> > in a UNIX/Linux environment.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is exciting work within an interesting organization with the
> > possibility of Pacific travel.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ideally, you?ll be in Melbourne and available immediately (or with little
> > notice).
> >
> >
> >
> > See http://www.seek.com.au/Job/28135464 for more information.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please apply via the link above or contact me via email ASAP (ideally
> > today) ? contact details below.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >  .
> >
> >    Sarah
> >
> >  .
> >
> >
> >
> > *Ms. Sarah Goldberg  **|  **Account Manager*
> >
> > *Allegro Recruitment Consulting Pty Ltd*
> >
> > *(A **Careers* *Multi**List** Agency Partner)*
> >
> >
> >
> > *p:* (03) 9570 8490  *|  f:* (03) 9570 8493
> >
> > *e: *sarah at arcaustralia.com.au <http://www.arcaustralia.com.au/>  *|
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> >
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From sarah at arcaustralia.com.au  Thu Feb 19 07:48:53 2015
From: sarah at arcaustralia.com.au (Sarah Goldberg)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:48:53 +0000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python Database Developer Contract
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbe=eNT-3+=uNPRTurpuZMz++qsp-D8hBktT-pwcV5AwzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <HKXPR06MB05678C7B13AF984A586435E2F22C0@HKXPR06MB0567.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAKADsbe=eNT-3+=uNPRTurpuZMz++qsp-D8hBktT-pwcV5AwzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <HKXPR06MB0567383104D5D4E3D8AFC16EF22D0@HKXPR06MB0567.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi everyone

Just to be clear? This is a real job which I have been given exclusively by one of my current clients, a large reputable organization; and unfortunately I?m bound by confidentially agreements and cannot disclose their information to the public (which this is ? being a public user group).

Rest assured, any candidates who contact me and are suitable will be given a further description of the role, followed by a detailed Position Description.  Also, before any applications proceed, candidates will be told who the client is and will have to give their permission for me to present them.

FYI, I initially submitted this yesterday and didn?t realise it wouldn?t be sent to the group until late this morning.  Hence, time is of the essence and we must move extremely quickly now.

Please contact me ASAP if interested.

Thanks again.


Regards,
 .
   Sarah
 .
Ms. Sarah Goldberg  |  Account Manager
Allegro Recruitment Consulting Pty Ltd
p: (03) 9570 8490  |  m: (0413) 527 524  |  f: (03) 9570 8493
p: (214) 556 6685 ? Calling Melbourne from USA
From: melbourne-pug [mailto:melbourne-pug-bounces+sarah=arcaustralia.com.au at python.org] On Behalf Of Javier Candeira
Sent: Thursday, 19 February 2015 11:43 AM
To: Melbourne Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Python Database Developer Contract

Hi, Sarah,
Your job listing doesn't list who is the party looking for a developer. In this mailing list we'd rather only receive requests for developers that list the name of the requesting company.

I'm sure you understand. Would you give me the time of day if I told you I have a developer for you, and to please look for a good position for them, but didn't tell you who they are?
Exactly.

Regards,

Javier
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Sarah Goldberg <sarah at arcaustralia.com.au<mailto:sarah at arcaustralia.com.au>> wrote:
Hi all

I?m urgently looking for a Python Developer for an initial 3 month contract (with likely extensions for the right person) in Melbourne to build a database for a large program using Python, Flask, PostgreSQL, etc in a UNIX/Linux environment.

This is exciting work within an interesting organization with the possibility of Pacific travel.

Ideally, you?ll be in Melbourne and available immediately (or with little notice).

See http://www.seek.com.au/Job/28135464 for more information.

Please apply via the link above or contact me via email ASAP (ideally today) ? contact details below.


Regards,
 .
   Sarah
 .

Ms. Sarah Goldberg  |  Account Manager
Allegro Recruitment Consulting Pty Ltd
(A Careers MultiList Agency Partner)

p: (03) 9570 8490<tel:%2803%29%209570%208490>  |  f: (03) 9570 8493<tel:%2803%29%209570%208493>
e: sarah at arcaustralia.com.au<http://www.arcaustralia.com.au/>  |  e: sarah.allegro at gmail.com<mailto:sarah.allegro at gmail.com>
w: www.arcaustralia.com.au<http://www.arcaustralia.com.au/>

Facebook: www.facebook.com/pages/Allegro-Recruitment-Consulting/145841978771683<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Allegro-Recruitment-Consulting/145841978771683>
Twitter: www.twitter.com/AllegroRC<http://www.twitter.com/AllegroRC>
LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/pub/sarah-goldberg/26/700/a2a

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From ben+python at benfinney.id.au  Thu Feb 19 21:15:23 2015
From: ben+python at benfinney.id.au (Ben Finney)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:15:23 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python Database Developer Contract
References: <HKXPR06MB05678C7B13AF984A586435E2F22C0@HKXPR06MB0567.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Sarah Goldberg <sarah at arcaustralia.com.au> writes:

> Just to be clear? This is a real job which I have been given
> exclusively by one of my current clients, a large reputable
> organization; and unfortunately I?m bound by confidentially agreements
> and cannot disclose their information to the public (which this is ?
> being a public user group).

In which case, it's best not to use this forum for advertising it.
Please understand: we don't want this forum to turn into a place for
?guess which jobs are the real ones?.

-- 
 \             ?I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or |
  `\    anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic.? ?Albert |
_o__)                                    Einstein, unsent letter, 1955 |
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From cadastro2 at yopmail.com  Sat Feb 21 02:04:24 2015
From: cadastro2 at yopmail.com (GRATIS)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 01:04:24 GMT
Subject: [melbourne-pug] melbourne-pug@python.org Cadastre e ganhe!
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From liamk at halcyonknights.com.au  Wed Feb 25 23:32:23 2015
From: liamk at halcyonknights.com.au (Liam Kelly)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:32:23 +0000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
Message-ID: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>

Hi,

I wanted to reach out to you to make you aware of an exciting opportunity that I am currently recruiting for.

My client is an exciting and innovative algorithm-based software house. They have fantastic clients, including Google, and they are ramping up massively due to significant growth and are looking for 5 Developers/Engineers with varying levels of experience. Their main programming language is Python and it is important that you have a good level/knowledge of Python.

The salary banding for these roles are $60k - $110k package depending on experience.

It would be great to talk this role through in more detail. Please give me a call on 03 9235 1100 or let me know the best number and time to contact you?

Kind regards
Liam

Regards,
Liam

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From william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 00:48:28 2015
From: william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com (William ML Leslie)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 10:48:28 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
Message-ID: <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>

On 26 February 2015 at 09:32, Liam Kelly <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>
wrote:

>  My client
> ?blah blah blah
>

?A nice side-effect of all this recruiter spam is that we're getting an
education on who to avoid.

-- 
William Leslie

Notice:
Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under
copyright law.  You absolutely MAY reproduce any part of it in accordance
with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in.  Any attempt
to DENY YOU THOSE RIGHTS would be illegal without prior contractual
agreement.
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From hartror at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 00:53:09 2015
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 10:53:09 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C60CC83-D2AF-48E3-B1A5-09CD5B08F41A@gmail.com>

Meets my criteria for appropriate for this list.

Python: check
Melbourne: check

> On 26 Feb 2015, at 10:48 am, William ML Leslie <william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 26 February 2015 at 09:32, Liam Kelly <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au> wrote:
>> My client ?blah blah blah
> 
> ?A nice side-effect of all this recruiter spam is that we're getting an education on who to avoid.
> 
> -- 
> William Leslie
> 
> Notice:
> Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under copyright law.  You absolutely MAY reproduce any part of it in accordance with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in.  Any attempt to DENY YOU THOSE RIGHTS would be illegal without prior contractual agreement.
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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From javier at candeira.com  Thu Feb 26 00:55:31 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 10:55:31 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbdWGaiy2h4NuPO96QWyAhZMxkNCap5k49YyxeDj15u1-w@mail.gmail.com>

And maybe who to ban from posting?

J

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:48 AM, William ML Leslie
<william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 26 February 2015 at 09:32, Liam Kelly <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>
> wrote:
>>
>> My client
>> blah blah blah
>
>
> A nice side-effect of all this recruiter spam is that we're getting an
> education on who to avoid.
>
> --
> William Leslie
>
> Notice:
> Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under
> copyright law.  You absolutely MAY reproduce any part of it in accordance
> with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in.  Any attempt
> to DENY YOU THOSE RIGHTS would be illegal without prior contractual
> agreement.
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>

From william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 00:56:29 2015
From: william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com (William ML Leslie)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 10:56:29 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <0C60CC83-D2AF-48E3-B1A5-09CD5B08F41A@gmail.com>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <0C60CC83-D2AF-48E3-B1A5-09CD5B08F41A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHgd1hE5DXiPpDHP0cnGWnb5d7NPNyTayKXbpC26ZvbuzS-MWQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 26 February 2015 at 10:53, Rory Hart <hartror at gmail.com> wrote:

> Meets my criteria for appropriate for this list.
>
> Python: check
> Melbourne: check
>

?I thought Javier's criteria made sense:?

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/melbourne-pug/2015-February/002211.html

-- 
William Leslie

Notice:
Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under
copyright law.  You absolutely MAY reproduce any part of it in accordance
with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in.  Any attempt
to DENY YOU THOSE RIGHTS would be illegal without prior contractual
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From n6151h at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 01:03:03 2015
From: n6151h at gmail.com (N6151H)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:03:03 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbdWGaiy2h4NuPO96QWyAhZMxkNCap5k49YyxeDj15u1-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKADsbdWGaiy2h4NuPO96QWyAhZMxkNCap5k49YyxeDj15u1-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALz4+LLtbuBvjWasDHRYf8vxUh=a0snOHC2N+2MF5V6Z_m3gtQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think William's point is spot-on.

Moreover, I don't think anyone should be banned simply for posting an ad
here.  Continuing to post (or argue about being able to post) after being
warned not to, however, should definitely be cause for banning.
(It would also put them squarely in the "bottom-feeder" category.)

Nick


On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com>
wrote:

> And maybe who to ban from posting?
>
> J
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:48 AM, William ML Leslie
> <william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 26 February 2015 at 09:32, Liam Kelly <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> My client
> >> blah blah blah
> >
> >
> > A nice side-effect of all this recruiter spam is that we're getting an
> > education on who to avoid.
> >
> > --
> > William Leslie
> >
> > Notice:
> > Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under
> > copyright law.  You absolutely MAY reproduce any part of it in accordance
> > with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in.  Any
> attempt
> > to DENY YOU THOSE RIGHTS would be illegal without prior contractual
> > agreement.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > melbourne-pug mailing list
> > melbourne-pug at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
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From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 01:04:31 2015
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:04:31 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbdWGaiy2h4NuPO96QWyAhZMxkNCap5k49YyxeDj15u1-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKADsbdWGaiy2h4NuPO96QWyAhZMxkNCap5k49YyxeDj15u1-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADhgxgeqX6bvPLF=EWQLDs5Kr63Z4fqrSSB6umrCEYF5yAbUhA@mail.gmail.com>

So far I've been letting a lot of these through manually, because
recruiters tend not to take the time to subscribe themselves to the list,
just post to it. Which is irritating.

On the other hand, jobs are really important, for both employer and
employee. People might really benefit from this information. So that wins.

I am more than happy to apply a specific policy to whether I let job ads
through when moderating.

In this case, the recruiter included clear, direct information on how to
get in touch, plus a salary indication, so it looks pretty legit to me.





On 26 February 2015 at 10:55, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com> wrote:

> And maybe who to ban from posting?
>
> J
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:48 AM, William ML Leslie
> <william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 26 February 2015 at 09:32, Liam Kelly <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> My client
> >> blah blah blah
> >
> >
> > A nice side-effect of all this recruiter spam is that we're getting an
> > education on who to avoid.
> >
> > --
> > William Leslie
> >
> > Notice:
> > Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under
> > copyright law.  You absolutely MAY reproduce any part of it in accordance
> > with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in.  Any
> attempt
> > to DENY YOU THOSE RIGHTS would be illegal without prior contractual
> > agreement.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > melbourne-pug mailing list
> > melbourne-pug at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>



-- 
--------------------------------------------------
Tennessee Leeuwenburg
http://myownhat.blogspot.com/
"Don't believe everything you think"
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From liamk at halcyonknights.com.au  Thu Feb 26 00:58:37 2015
From: liamk at halcyonknights.com.au (Liam Kelly)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 23:58:37 +0000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
 (Python)
In-Reply-To: <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>

Hi William,

I?m sorry you feel this way. A member of this group had actually suggested I put a note out to make participants aware of the opportunities that I am currently recruiting for. If you see this as ?SPAM? then that?s your right, however I have genuine opportunities for Python Developers based in Melbourne should anyone be looking for the next step in their career. Please see the genuine advert I have out -

http://www.seek.com.au/job/28201163?pos=2&type=standout

I would be happy to discuss any suggestions you have regarding better methods to engage with members of this group to ensure a ?SPAM-felt? approach is avoided.

Regards,
Liam

Liam Kelly
Senior Recruitment Consultant - Digital
D +61 3 9235 1100
F +61 3 9663 1450
M +61 (0) 421 475 094
E liamk at halcyonknights.com.au<mailto:liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>
LinkedIn http://au.linkedin.com/in/liamkellyhalcyonknights

[HalcyonKnights_Logo_Black]

[Description: Description: Description: Description: Facebook-Icon]<http://www.facebook.com/HalcyonKnightsRecruitment>[Description: Description: Description: Description: Twitter-Icon]<https://twitter.com/Halcyon_Knights>[Description: Description: Description: Description: Linkedin-Icon]<http://www.linkedin.com/company/halcyon-knights>

This email is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged material. Any duplication, dissemination, action taken in reliance upon, or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may violate applicable law. If this email has been received in error, please notify the sender and delete the information from your system.

From: William ML Leslie [mailto:william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 26 February 2015 10:48 AM
To: Melbourne Python Users Group; Liam Kelly
Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer (Python)

On 26 February 2015 at 09:32, Liam Kelly <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au<mailto:liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>> wrote:
My client
?blah blah blah

?A nice side-effect of all this recruiter spam is that we're getting an education on who to avoid.

--
William Leslie

Notice:
Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under copyright law.  You absolutely MAY reproduce any part of it in accordance with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in.  Any attempt to DENY YOU THOSE RIGHTS would be illegal without prior contractual agreement.
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From hartror at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 01:19:52 2015
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:19:52 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
Message-ID: <CADf+qJek8J=ZV6-ZU7yBn4crR0a3+HPVKDK8g8yqct2uj9+yQg@mail.gmail.com>

>
> On the other hand, jobs are really important, for both employer and
> employee. People might really benefit from this information. So that wins.
>

I strongly agree.

Personally I have gotten two jobs off this list, I'd probably not be
working with Python day to day if it wasn't for job postings here.

I know recruiters can be annoying and sometimes post to lists with
completely unrelated jobs so lists people are rightly wary. However this
posting is right on topic and I've not seen Liam or Halcyon Knights abuse
this list.

On 26 February 2015 at 10:58, Liam Kelly <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>
wrote:

>  Hi William,
>
>
>
> I?m sorry you feel this way. A member of this group had actually suggested
> I put a note out to make participants aware of the opportunities that I am
> currently recruiting for. If you see this as ?SPAM? then that?s your right,
> however I have genuine opportunities for Python Developers based in
> Melbourne should anyone be looking for the next step in their career.
> Please see the genuine advert I have out -
>
>
>
> http://www.seek.com.au/job/28201163?pos=2&type=standout
>
>
>
> I would be happy to discuss any suggestions you have regarding better
> methods to engage with members of this group to ensure a ?SPAM-felt?
> approach is avoided.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Liam
>
>
>
> *Liam Kelly *
>
> *Senior Recruitment Consultant - Digital*
>
> D +61 3 9235 1100
>
> F +61 3 9663 1450
>
> M +61 (0) 421 475 094
>
> E liamk at halcyonknights.com.au
>
> LinkedIn http://au.linkedin.com/in/liamkellyhalcyonknights
>
>
>
> [image: HalcyonKnights_Logo_Black]
>
>
>
> [image: Description: Description: Description: Description: Facebook-Icon]
> <http://www.facebook.com/HalcyonKnightsRecruitment>[image: Description:
> Description: Description: Description: Twitter-Icon]
> <https://twitter.com/Halcyon_Knights>[image: Description: Description:
> Description: Description: Linkedin-Icon]
> <http://www.linkedin.com/company/halcyon-knights>
>
>
>
> This email is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is
> addressed and may contain confidential or privileged material. Any
> duplication, dissemination, action taken in reliance upon, or other use of
> this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient
> is prohibited and may violate applicable law. If this email has been
> received in error, please notify the sender and delete the information from
> your system.
>
>
>
> *From:* William ML Leslie [mailto:william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 February 2015 10:48 AM
> *To:* Melbourne Python Users Group; Liam Kelly
> *Subject:* Re: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software
> Engineer/Developer (Python)
>
>
>
> On 26 February 2015 at 09:32, Liam Kelly <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>  My client
>
> ?blah blah blah
>
>
>  ?A nice side-effect of all this recruiter spam is that we're getting an
> education on who to avoid.
>
>
> --
>
> William Leslie
>
> Notice:
> Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under
> copyright law.  You absolutely MAY reproduce any part of it in accordance
> with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in.  Any attempt
> to DENY YOU THOSE RIGHTS would be illegal without prior contractual
> agreement.
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>
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From ben+python at benfinney.id.au  Thu Feb 26 01:16:03 2015
From: ben+python at benfinney.id.au (Ben Finney)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:16:03 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job position advertising in this forum (was: Job
	Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer (Python))
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKADsbdWGaiy2h4NuPO96QWyAhZMxkNCap5k49YyxeDj15u1-w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADhgxgeqX6bvPLF=EWQLDs5Kr63Z4fqrSSB6umrCEYF5yAbUhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85vbip4jek.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au>

Tennessee Leeuwenburg <tleeuwenburg at gmail.com> writes:

> On the other hand, jobs are really important, for both employer and
> employee. People might really benefit from this information. So that
> wins.

Yes, they are important.

For that reason, It's appropriate for employers to *directly* engage
with this community.

But this is not, IMO, an appropriate forum for job recruiting agents to
solicit on behalf of ?my client?.

> In this case, the recruiter included clear, direct information on how
> to get in touch, plus a salary indication, so it looks pretty legit to
> me.

The legitimacy of the position isn't in question. This is not, and IMO
should not become, an advertising forum for recriutment agencies.

-- 
 \         ?Alternative explanations are always welcome in science, if |
  `\   they are better and explain more. Alternative explanations that |
_o__) explain nothing are not welcome.? ?Victor J. Stenger, 2001-11-05 |
Ben Finney


From n6151h at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 01:25:58 2015
From: n6151h at gmail.com (N6151H)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:25:58 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <CADf+qJek8J=ZV6-ZU7yBn4crR0a3+HPVKDK8g8yqct2uj9+yQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CADf+qJek8J=ZV6-ZU7yBn4crR0a3+HPVKDK8g8yqct2uj9+yQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALz4+LKsouAebdAbK7=Y82KiEekoCrA1dUdEbwmxFd38G6Q=eQ@mail.gmail.com>

I agree that jobs are important.

Employers pay money to recruiters for candidates that are hired.   OR they
could simply post the position here for free.

A recruiter posting here -- also for free -- is taking advantage of an
employer who's to ignorant of (or to lazy to look for) forums such as this.

Do you want to be found here by the former so that you can work for the
latter?



On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Rory Hart <hartror at gmail.com> wrote:

> On the other hand, jobs are really important, for both employer and
>> employee. People might really benefit from this information. So that wins.
>>
>
> I strongly agree.
>
> Personally I have gotten two jobs off this list, I'd probably not be
> working with Python day to day if it wasn't for job postings here.
>
> I know recruiters can be annoying and sometimes post to lists with
> completely unrelated jobs so lists people are rightly wary. However this
> posting is right on topic and I've not seen Liam or Halcyon Knights abuse
> this list.
>
> On 26 February 2015 at 10:58, Liam Kelly <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>  Hi William,
>>
>>
>>
>> I?m sorry you feel this way. A member of this group had actually
>> suggested I put a note out to make participants aware of the opportunities
>> that I am currently recruiting for. If you see this as ?SPAM? then that?s
>> your right, however I have genuine opportunities for Python Developers
>> based in Melbourne should anyone be looking for the next step in their
>> career. Please see the genuine advert I have out -
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.seek.com.au/job/28201163?pos=2&type=standout
>>
>>
>>
>> I would be happy to discuss any suggestions you have regarding better
>> methods to engage with members of this group to ensure a ?SPAM-felt?
>> approach is avoided.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Liam
>>
>>
>>
>> *Liam Kelly *
>>
>> *Senior Recruitment Consultant - Digital*
>>
>> D +61 3 9235 1100
>>
>> F +61 3 9663 1450
>>
>> M +61 (0) 421 475 094
>>
>> E liamk at halcyonknights.com.au
>>
>> LinkedIn http://au.linkedin.com/in/liamkellyhalcyonknights
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: HalcyonKnights_Logo_Black]
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Description: Description: Description: Description: Facebook-Icon]
>> <http://www.facebook.com/HalcyonKnightsRecruitment>[image: Description:
>> Description: Description: Description: Twitter-Icon]
>> <https://twitter.com/Halcyon_Knights>[image: Description: Description:
>> Description: Description: Linkedin-Icon]
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/company/halcyon-knights>
>>
>>
>>
>> This email is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is
>> addressed and may contain confidential or privileged material. Any
>> duplication, dissemination, action taken in reliance upon, or other use of
>> this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient
>> is prohibited and may violate applicable law. If this email has been
>> received in error, please notify the sender and delete the information from
>> your system.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* William ML Leslie [mailto:william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 February 2015 10:48 AM
>> *To:* Melbourne Python Users Group; Liam Kelly
>> *Subject:* Re: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software
>> Engineer/Developer (Python)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 February 2015 at 09:32, Liam Kelly <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  My client
>>
>> ?blah blah blah
>>
>>
>>  ?A nice side-effect of all this recruiter spam is that we're getting an
>> education on who to avoid.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> William Leslie
>>
>> Notice:
>> Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under
>> copyright law.  You absolutely MAY reproduce any part of it in accordance
>> with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in.  Any attempt
>> to DENY YOU THOSE RIGHTS would be illegal without prior contractual
>> agreement.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>
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From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 01:39:57 2015
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:39:57 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <CALz4+LKsouAebdAbK7=Y82KiEekoCrA1dUdEbwmxFd38G6Q=eQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CADf+qJek8J=ZV6-ZU7yBn4crR0a3+HPVKDK8g8yqct2uj9+yQg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALz4+LKsouAebdAbK7=Y82KiEekoCrA1dUdEbwmxFd38G6Q=eQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADhgxgf6Z27BMyKi5Q8RoBQsE3gVXGXyZ=KZDapS9L9SE3VJWA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear a couple of ordinary list members whose emails just got rejected from
the list.

It's not personal. Please re-post the messages, from a subscribed email
address. The moderation overload of manually pushing them through just got
to me and I hit "reject" rather than "accept". There's no easy way to
"reject with a friendly email explaining the issue" so I'm hoping this gets
to you!

Hope to hear from you agains soon.

Cheers,
-T

On 26 February 2015 at 11:25, N6151H <n6151h at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree that jobs are important.
>
> Employers pay money to recruiters for candidates that are hired.   OR they
> could simply post the position here for free.
>
> A recruiter posting here -- also for free -- is taking advantage of an
> employer who's to ignorant of (or to lazy to look for) forums such as this.
>
> Do you want to be found here by the former so that you can work for the
> latter?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Rory Hart <hartror at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On the other hand, jobs are really important, for both employer and
>>> employee. People might really benefit from this information. So that wins.
>>>
>>
>> I strongly agree.
>>
>> Personally I have gotten two jobs off this list, I'd probably not be
>> working with Python day to day if it wasn't for job postings here.
>>
>> I know recruiters can be annoying and sometimes post to lists with
>> completely unrelated jobs so lists people are rightly wary. However this
>> posting is right on topic and I've not seen Liam or Halcyon Knights abuse
>> this list.
>>
>> On 26 February 2015 at 10:58, Liam Kelly <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi William,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I?m sorry you feel this way. A member of this group had actually
>>> suggested I put a note out to make participants aware of the opportunities
>>> that I am currently recruiting for. If you see this as ?SPAM? then that?s
>>> your right, however I have genuine opportunities for Python Developers
>>> based in Melbourne should anyone be looking for the next step in their
>>> career. Please see the genuine advert I have out -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.seek.com.au/job/28201163?pos=2&type=standout
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would be happy to discuss any suggestions you have regarding better
>>> methods to engage with members of this group to ensure a ?SPAM-felt?
>>> approach is avoided.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Liam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Liam Kelly *
>>>
>>> *Senior Recruitment Consultant - Digital*
>>>
>>> D +61 3 9235 1100
>>>
>>> F +61 3 9663 1450
>>>
>>> M +61 (0) 421 475 094
>>>
>>> E liamk at halcyonknights.com.au
>>>
>>> LinkedIn http://au.linkedin.com/in/liamkellyhalcyonknights
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: HalcyonKnights_Logo_Black]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Description: Description: Description: Description:
>>> Facebook-Icon] <http://www.facebook.com/HalcyonKnightsRecruitment>[image:
>>> Description: Description: Description: Description: Twitter-Icon]
>>> <https://twitter.com/Halcyon_Knights>[image: Description: Description:
>>> Description: Description: Linkedin-Icon]
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/company/halcyon-knights>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This email is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is
>>> addressed and may contain confidential or privileged material. Any
>>> duplication, dissemination, action taken in reliance upon, or other use of
>>> this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient
>>> is prohibited and may violate applicable law. If this email has been
>>> received in error, please notify the sender and delete the information from
>>> your system.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* William ML Leslie [mailto:william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 February 2015 10:48 AM
>>> *To:* Melbourne Python Users Group; Liam Kelly
>>> *Subject:* Re: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software
>>> Engineer/Developer (Python)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 February 2015 at 09:32, Liam Kelly <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  My client
>>>
>>> ?blah blah blah
>>>
>>>
>>>  ?A nice side-effect of all this recruiter spam is that we're getting
>>> an education on who to avoid.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> William Leslie
>>>
>>> Notice:
>>> Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under
>>> copyright law.  You absolutely MAY reproduce any part of it in accordance
>>> with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in.  Any attempt
>>> to DENY YOU THOSE RIGHTS would be illegal without prior contractual
>>> agreement.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>


-- 
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Tennessee Leeuwenburg
http://myownhat.blogspot.com/
"Don't believe everything you think"
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From alecclews at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 01:39:06 2015
From: alecclews at gmail.com (Alec Clews)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:39:06 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
 (Python)
In-Reply-To: <CALz4+LKsouAebdAbK7=Y82KiEekoCrA1dUdEbwmxFd38G6Q=eQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CADf+qJek8J=ZV6-ZU7yBn4crR0a3+HPVKDK8g8yqct2uj9+yQg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALz4+LKsouAebdAbK7=Y82KiEekoCrA1dUdEbwmxFd38G6Q=eQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Actually that is a little unfair on many employers.

Employers pay recruiters to save themselves time. The problem is that
often the recruiters don't produce good results (i.e. too many
irrelevant or poor quality) resumes.

However it still appears to be quicker and easier than going out and
doing it yourself. It saves you having to go and learn about the various
communities where you might recruit, which is very time consuming.

I've used the recruiters to help me get people to interview and as with
most things in life YMMV.





On 26/02/2015 11:25, N6151H wrote:
> I agree that jobs are important.
> 
> Employers pay money to recruiters for candidates that are hired.   OR
> they could simply post the position here for free.
> 
> A recruiter posting here -- also for free -- is taking advantage of an
> employer who's to ignorant of (or to lazy to look for) forums such as this.
> 
> Do you want to be found here by the former so that you can work for the
> latter?
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Rory Hart <hartror at gmail.com
> <mailto:hartror at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>         On the other hand, jobs are really important, for both employer
>         and employee. People might really benefit from this information.
>         So that wins.
> 
> 
>     I strongly agree.
> 
>     Personally I have gotten two jobs off this list, I'd probably not be
>     working with Python day to day if it wasn't for job postings here.
> 
>     I know recruiters can be annoying and sometimes post to lists with
>     completely unrelated jobs so lists people are rightly wary. However
>     this posting is right on topic and I've not seen Liam or Halcyon
>     Knights abuse this list.
> 
>     On 26 February 2015 at 10:58, Liam Kelly
>     <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au <mailto:liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>>
>     wrote:
> 
>         Hi William,____
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         I?m sorry you feel this way. A member of this group had actually
>         suggested I put a note out to make participants aware of the
>         opportunities that I am currently recruiting for. If you see
>         this as ?SPAM? then that?s your right, however I have genuine
>         opportunities for Python Developers based in Melbourne should
>         anyone be looking for the next step in their career. Please see
>         the genuine advert I have out - ____
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         http://www.seek.com.au/job/28201163?pos=2&type=standout____
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         I would be happy to discuss any suggestions you have regarding
>         better methods to engage with members of this group to ensure a
>         ?SPAM-felt? approach is avoided.____
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         Regards,____
> 
>         Liam____
> 
>         *__ __*
> 
>         *Liam Kelly ____*
> 
>         *Senior Recruitment Consultant - Digital____*
> 
>         D +61 3 9235 1100 <tel:%2B61%203%209235%201100>____
> 
>         F +61 3 9663 1450 <tel:%2B61%203%209663%201450>____
> 
>         M +61 (0) 421 475 094 <tel:%2B61%20%280%29%20421%20475%20094>____
> 
>         E liamk at halcyonknights.com.au
>         <mailto:liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>____
> 
>         LinkedIn http://au.linkedin.com/in/liamkellyhalcyonknights ____
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         HalcyonKnights_Logo_Black____
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         Description: Description: Description: Description:
>         Facebook-Icon
>         <http://www.facebook.com/HalcyonKnightsRecruitment>Description:
>         Description: Description: Description: Twitter-Icon
>         <https://twitter.com/Halcyon_Knights>Description: Description:
>         Description: Description: Linkedin-Icon
>         <http://www.linkedin.com/company/halcyon-knights>____
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         This email is intended solely for the person or entity to which
>         it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged
>         material. Any duplication, dissemination, action taken in
>         reliance upon, or other use of this information by persons or
>         entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may
>         violate applicable law. If this email has been received in
>         error, please notify the sender and delete the information from
>         your system./____/
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         *From:*William ML Leslie [mailto:william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com
>         <mailto:william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com>]
>         *Sent:* Thursday, 26 February 2015 10:48 AM
>         *To:* Melbourne Python Users Group; Liam Kelly
>         *Subject:* Re: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software
>         Engineer/Developer (Python)____
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         On 26 February 2015 at 09:32, Liam Kelly
>         <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au
>         <mailto:liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>> wrote:____
> 
>             My client ____
> 
>             ?blah blah blah____
> 
> 
>         ____
> 
>         ?A nice side-effect of all this recruiter spam is that we're
>         getting an education on who to avoid.____
> 
> 
>         -- ____
> 
>         William Leslie
> 
>         Notice:
>         Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright,
>         covered under copyright law.  You absolutely MAY reproduce any
>         part of it in accordance with the copyright law of the nation
>         you are reading this in.  Any attempt to DENY YOU THOSE RIGHTS
>         would be illegal without prior contractual agreement.____
> 
> 
>         _______________________________________________
>         melbourne-pug mailing list
>         melbourne-pug at python.org <mailto:melbourne-pug at python.org>
>         https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
> 
> 
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     melbourne-pug mailing list
>     melbourne-pug at python.org <mailto:melbourne-pug at python.org>
>     https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
> 

- -- 

Alec Clews <alec.clews at gmail.com>
http://about.me/alecthegeek
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From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 01:45:42 2015
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:45:42 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] List moderation
Message-ID: <CADhgxgfeqOVBepetsBAG+Bg_cmfK0DiW4o2=HXb32EkGXHhztg@mail.gmail.com>

So this is annoying.

I specifically emailed someone to please subscribe. They replied,
confirming they had just done so. Then I got a moderation request from that
person sending an email to the list.

I blame "computers" because software is awful.

I hit "reject" because I don't have an "accept but send them a note about
it" and I want to  steer people in the right direction.

So I'm sending this with the objectives of:
  (a) Showing people the pain involved with moderating a list. Please
subscribe from the list you intend to post from.
  (b) Sharing my own pain. Feel it! :)
  (c) Explaining to those involved to please send the messages again,
making sure you are posting from a subscribed address.

If anyone wants to hack on mailman, I have some feature requests for you :)

-Tennessee


-- 
--------------------------------------------------
Tennessee Leeuwenburg
http://myownhat.blogspot.com/
"Don't believe everything you think"
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From javier at candeira.com  Thu Feb 26 01:59:28 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:59:28 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <CADf+qJek8J=ZV6-ZU7yBn4crR0a3+HPVKDK8g8yqct2uj9+yQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CADf+qJek8J=ZV6-ZU7yBn4crR0a3+HPVKDK8g8yqct2uj9+yQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbe9NVGVg1nX722XDG4P2ytNy96cDYRGj+XVVSBfqveBuA@mail.gmail.com>

I think there is a difference between a job offer on a community list and a
recruiter non-offer.

Job offers that I can remember came from the BOM, Medibank, Biarri, Graeme
Gumnow. They spoke of the stack being used, the kind of job, and often a
clear salary expectation. They were also by someone who was part of the
community and could engage in meaningful discussion.

These type of job leads are great, and I think should be very welcome on
this list.

The ad we are discussing now:
- Does not mention an employer, or even an activity
- Does not mention a tech stack
- Has a salary bracket so wide as to be meaningless
- Is by someone who won't discuss the job or the employer, and does not
form part of the MPUG community.

For that, anybody interested or looking for a job can do a search
themselves on Seek or Monster for Python/Melbourne. There is zero loss to
the community in keeping this type of messages off the list.

I repeat my request that these messages not be approved, following the
criteria that I set in the previous recruiter thread.

Regards,

Javier Candeira
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From javier at candeira.com  Thu Feb 26 02:01:39 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:01:39 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbdadydii1WoDzX5JaZgFP_uXC=UFkA4VXC_0B-SV2APRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Liam, nothing personal, but imagine that we tell you we have a great,
amazing candidate and no, I won't tell you their name or their experience;
please send me your job descriptions and salary of the person who did the
job previously and we'll talk.

Would you still want to engage with us?

Javier

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Liam Kelly <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>
wrote:

>  Hi William,
>
>
>
> I?m sorry you feel this way. A member of this group had actually suggested
> I put a note out to make participants aware of the opportunities that I am
> currently recruiting for. If you see this as ?SPAM? then that?s your right,
> however I have genuine opportunities for Python Developers based in
> Melbourne should anyone be looking for the next step in their career.
> Please see the genuine advert I have out -
>
>
>
> http://www.seek.com.au/job/28201163?pos=2&type=standout
>
>
>
> I would be happy to discuss any suggestions you have regarding better
> methods to engage with members of this group to ensure a ?SPAM-felt?
> approach is avoided.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Liam
>
>
>
> *Liam Kelly *
>
> *Senior Recruitment Consultant - Digital*
>
> D +61 3 9235 1100
>
> F +61 3 9663 1450
>
> M +61 (0) 421 475 094
>
> E liamk at halcyonknights.com.au
>
> LinkedIn http://au.linkedin.com/in/liamkellyhalcyonknights
>
>
>
> [image: HalcyonKnights_Logo_Black]
>
>
>
> [image: Description: Description: Description: Description: Facebook-Icon]
> <http://www.facebook.com/HalcyonKnightsRecruitment>[image: Description:
> Description: Description: Description: Twitter-Icon]
> <https://twitter.com/Halcyon_Knights>[image: Description: Description:
> Description: Description: Linkedin-Icon]
> <http://www.linkedin.com/company/halcyon-knights>
>
>
>
> This email is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is
> addressed and may contain confidential or privileged material. Any
> duplication, dissemination, action taken in reliance upon, or other use of
> this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient
> is prohibited and may violate applicable law. If this email has been
> received in error, please notify the sender and delete the information from
> your system.
>
>
>
> *From:* William ML Leslie [mailto:william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 February 2015 10:48 AM
> *To:* Melbourne Python Users Group; Liam Kelly
> *Subject:* Re: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software
> Engineer/Developer (Python)
>
>
>
> On 26 February 2015 at 09:32, Liam Kelly <liamk at halcyonknights.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>  My client
>
> ?blah blah blah
>
>
>  ?A nice side-effect of all this recruiter spam is that we're getting an
> education on who to avoid.
>
>
> --
>
> William Leslie
>
> Notice:
> Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under
> copyright law.  You absolutely MAY reproduce any part of it in accordance
> with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in.  Any attempt
> to DENY YOU THOSE RIGHTS would be illegal without prior contractual
> agreement.
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From ben+python at benfinney.id.au  Thu Feb 26 02:08:33 2015
From: ben+python at benfinney.id.au (Ben Finney)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:08:33 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CADf+qJek8J=ZV6-ZU7yBn4crR0a3+HPVKDK8g8yqct2uj9+yQg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALz4+LKsouAebdAbK7=Y82KiEekoCrA1dUdEbwmxFd38G6Q=eQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <54EE6B2A.3010702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85lhjl4gz2.fsf@benfinney.id.au>

Alec Clews <alecclews at gmail.com> writes:

> Actually that is a little unfair on many employers.

I don't think so. This forum is for the benefit primarily of the Python
programming community.

Prospective employers are welcome to participate in this community as
equals. If some choose not to do so ? for whatever reason ? that is not
?unfair? to them.

> I've used the recruiters to help me get people to interview and as
> with most things in life YMMV.

You're welcome to do so, and I am not arguing against recruiters. But
this is not a forum for them to sell their wares.

-- 
 \                   ?Holy astringent plum-like fruit, Batman!? ?Robin |
  `\                                                                   |
_o__)                                                                  |
Ben Finney


From pete at flooble.net  Thu Feb 26 03:36:07 2015
From: pete at flooble.net (Peter Wright)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:36:07 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
 (Python)
In-Reply-To: <CADf+qJek8J=ZV6-ZU7yBn4crR0a3+HPVKDK8g8yqct2uj9+yQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CADf+qJek8J=ZV6-ZU7yBn4crR0a3+HPVKDK8g8yqct2uj9+yQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150226023607.GK21006@flooble.net>

On 26/02 11:19:52, Rory Hart wrote:
> Personally I have gotten two jobs off this list, I'd probably not be
> working with Python day to day if it wasn't for job postings here.

I've also got a couple of jobs off this list (and had another one slip
through my fingers :)), but in each case it was a direct ad by a
project manager looking to hire.

> However this posting is right on topic and I've not seen Liam or
> Halcyon Knights abuse this list.

The potential problem is that then someone needs to track which
agents/agencies they consider "acceptable".

It's easy to say, for example, that Sarah Goldberg from Allegro or
Liam Kelly from Halcyon Knights are "okay", but then we should either:

(a) have some reasonable basis for saying that any other recruiter is
    "not okay" (which could get ugly if discussed on-list), or

(b) allow pretty much any recruiter to post job ads here.


Pete.
-- 
No, I don't want reviewers to give away my endings. I also don't want
them to give away my middles. I would prefer it if they didn't blab
quite so much about my beginnings. Let them summarize my prologues if
they must summarize. People who want to know what happens should read
the books, and sample first hand the pleasures of finding out.
	-- GRRM on story-wrecking summarizers masquerading as reviewers

From javier at candeira.com  Thu Feb 26 02:16:21 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:16:21 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <85lhjl4gz2.fsf@benfinney.id.au>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CADf+qJek8J=ZV6-ZU7yBn4crR0a3+HPVKDK8g8yqct2uj9+yQg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALz4+LKsouAebdAbK7=Y82KiEekoCrA1dUdEbwmxFd38G6Q=eQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <54EE6B2A.3010702@gmail.com> <85lhjl4gz2.fsf@benfinney.id.au>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbf+9Bq856nzYLeuCnTX3Z30Fp4RmfN9G5Ybz88xaDdarg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Ben Finney <ben+python at benfinney.id.au> wrote:
> You're welcome to do so, and I am not arguing against recruiters. But
> this is not a forum for them to sell their wares.

I disagree at this point. If someone came in and said: "I'm recruiting
for Jane Street, for their new operation here in Melbourne" I would
welcome such a post.

But then they would be engaging in the right way: here's an employer,
please talk to them through me.

I'ts the advertising of generic zero-information
the-ad-is-on-seek-anyway potential positions that I find self-serving.
Useful to the recruiter, zero-value-added to the community.

Javier

From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 02:15:36 2015
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:15:36 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbe9NVGVg1nX722XDG4P2ytNy96cDYRGj+XVVSBfqveBuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CADf+qJek8J=ZV6-ZU7yBn4crR0a3+HPVKDK8g8yqct2uj9+yQg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKADsbe9NVGVg1nX722XDG4P2ytNy96cDYRGj+XVVSBfqveBuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADhgxgdm5BbFr85W_XiyqkCbU6ABOi5FmryVPh18kxZZBQap8w@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, here's my proposal.

Let's put together either
 (a) A word document
 (b) A web page that's hosted somewhere (this is probably the best option)

This should state our expectations for recruiters. About 80% of these email
come from non-subscribers. I will reject all these emails and send them the
information on how to get a message through, including the expectations on
content and the need to subscribe directly. Having a specific
easy-to-reference document will make it easier for me to moderate the list
and cut down substantially on unwanted content.

The big question for me is whether I should reject all of them, or let some
through based on "gut feel".

Once we've resolved it, I propose that everyone then accept that policy and
not complain about whatever does make it onto the list. That way there
won't be a big flutter of meta emails every time something happens.

Until then, I'm going to continue with a gut-feel approach to moderation,
but I am very happy to have something better in place.

Thanks,
-Tennessee


On 26 February 2015 at 11:59, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com> wrote:

> I think there is a difference between a job offer on a community list and
> a recruiter non-offer.
>
> Job offers that I can remember came from the BOM, Medibank, Biarri, Graeme
> Gumnow. They spoke of the stack being used, the kind of job, and often a
> clear salary expectation. They were also by someone who was part of the
> community and could engage in meaningful discussion.
>
> These type of job leads are great, and I think should be very welcome on
> this list.
>
> The ad we are discussing now:
> - Does not mention an employer, or even an activity
> - Does not mention a tech stack
> - Has a salary bracket so wide as to be meaningless
> - Is by someone who won't discuss the job or the employer, and does not
> form part of the MPUG community.
>
> For that, anybody interested or looking for a job can do a search
> themselves on Seek or Monster for Python/Melbourne. There is zero loss to
> the community in keeping this type of messages off the list.
>
> I repeat my request that these messages not be approved, following the
> criteria that I set in the previous recruiter thread.
>
> Regards,
>
> Javier Candeira
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>


-- 
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From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 02:17:52 2015
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:17:52 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <85lhjl4gz2.fsf@benfinney.id.au>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CADf+qJek8J=ZV6-ZU7yBn4crR0a3+HPVKDK8g8yqct2uj9+yQg@mail.gmail.com>
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 <54EE6B2A.3010702@gmail.com> <85lhjl4gz2.fsf@benfinney.id.au>
Message-ID: <CADhgxgdYgcYr=kmJrLWF123wCebswP3pCJD+jZdTmSfF8ZF_uQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think the people who need  looking after here are those who need or want
jobs. If we can figure out what's best for them, I think the rest is easy.

The thing about all communities is that there will be a diversity of
opinions. Let's just settle on a policy and then minimise the meta
thereafter.

Thanks everyone for all their emails so far. I hope people are happy with
the approach I'm taking so far to actioning the moderation requests.

On 26 February 2015 at 12:08, Ben Finney <ben+python at benfinney.id.au> wrote:

> Alec Clews <alecclews at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Actually that is a little unfair on many employers.
>
> I don't think so. This forum is for the benefit primarily of the Python
> programming community.
>
> Prospective employers are welcome to participate in this community as
> equals. If some choose not to do so ? for whatever reason ? that is not
> ?unfair? to them.
>
> > I've used the recruiters to help me get people to interview and as
> > with most things in life YMMV.
>
> You're welcome to do so, and I am not arguing against recruiters. But
> this is not a forum for them to sell their wares.
>
> --
>  \                   ?Holy astringent plum-like fruit, Batman!? ?Robin |
>   `\                                                                   |
> _o__)                                                                  |
> Ben Finney
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>



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From hartror at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 04:18:59 2015
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:18:59 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <CADhgxgdYgcYr=kmJrLWF123wCebswP3pCJD+jZdTmSfF8ZF_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
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These guidelines from the RORO list might be of use:

In order to keep the RORO group running smoothly, please follow these
> guidelines when posting and responding to jobs.
>
> To Would-be Job Posters:
>
> RORO members would appreciate you including the following:
>
> * The label "[JOB]" in the subject of your job posting.
> * A description of the job
> * A description of the company. "Blind" postings aren't appreciated,
> though we accept that its necessary sometimes.
> * The job location
> * Is remote working acceptable, or is it on-site?
> * How much it pays
> * The level of the job
> * The length and type of the contract.
>
> To members of RORO:
> * On-group replies to job postings will be deleted without exception.
> * If you'd like to find out more, please reply directly to the job
> poster.
> * If you need to talk to job posters on-group, please be courteous.


On 26 February 2015 at 12:17, Tennessee Leeuwenburg <tleeuwenburg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think the people who need  looking after here are those who need or want
> jobs. If we can figure out what's best for them, I think the rest is easy.
>
> The thing about all communities is that there will be a diversity of
> opinions. Let's just settle on a policy and then minimise the meta
> thereafter.
>
> Thanks everyone for all their emails so far. I hope people are happy with
> the approach I'm taking so far to actioning the moderation requests.
>
> On 26 February 2015 at 12:08, Ben Finney <ben+python at benfinney.id.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Alec Clews <alecclews at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Actually that is a little unfair on many employers.
>>
>> I don't think so. This forum is for the benefit primarily of the Python
>> programming community.
>>
>> Prospective employers are welcome to participate in this community as
>> equals. If some choose not to do so ? for whatever reason ? that is not
>> ?unfair? to them.
>>
>> > I've used the recruiters to help me get people to interview and as
>> > with most things in life YMMV.
>>
>> You're welcome to do so, and I am not arguing against recruiters. But
>> this is not a forum for them to sell their wares.
>>
>> --
>>  \                   ?Holy astringent plum-like fruit, Batman!? ?Robin |
>>   `\                                                                   |
>> _o__)                                                                  |
>> Ben Finney
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> Tennessee Leeuwenburg
> http://myownhat.blogspot.com/
> "Don't believe everything you think"
>
> _______________________________________________
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> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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From Lee.Beer at crocgold.com.au  Thu Feb 26 02:57:45 2015
From: Lee.Beer at crocgold.com.au (Lee Beer)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:57:45 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software
	Engineer/Developer	(Python)
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbe9NVGVg1nX722XDG4P2ytNy96cDYRGj+XVVSBfqveBuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87e836a8fbf24023965f1405e6c20afd@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
 <CAHgd1hGttac97kFvcNZEDgtJRr73TKrLyNwFrO=C7bwf6ZJZpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <35feb96642be46dea295d6a157e61c61@EX01.halcyonknights.local>
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Message-ID: <466FBD4778D8294CA72D98FCA8C20F5193607D7187@psvfgmsvr01.perseverance.com.au>

Well put, Javier.

I personally don't see any need for this mailing list to duplicate opportunities which are already listed on job search websites.
Those who prefer to receive job listings in their inbox rather than actively trawling the sites are likely signed up to receive relevant postings matching search keywords (e.g. Melbourne + Python).

I agree with what seems to be the general sentiment: employers who prefer to engage directly with our community - and in sufficient detail - are very much welcome to post; with extra warm fuzzy feelings toward those who are already members of community for reasons of genuine personal interest.


-Lee Beer


From: Javier Candeira [mailto:javier at candeira.com]
Sent: Thursday, 26 February 2015 11:59 AM
To: Melbourne Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer (Python)

I think there is a difference between a job offer on a community list and a recruiter non-offer.
Job offers that I can remember came from the BOM, Medibank, Biarri, Graeme Gumnow. They spoke of the stack being used, the kind of job, and often a clear salary expectation. They were also by someone who was part of the community and could engage in meaningful discussion.
These type of job leads are great, and I think should be very welcome on this list.

The ad we are discussing now:
- Does not mention an employer, or even an activity
- Does not mention a tech stack
- Has a salary bracket so wide as to be meaningless
- Is by someone who won't discuss the job or the employer, and does not form part of the MPUG community.

For that, anybody interested or looking for a job can do a search themselves on Seek or Monster for Python/Melbourne. There is zero loss to the community in keeping this type of messages off the list.
I repeat my request that these messages not be approved, following the criteria that I set in the previous recruiter thread.
Regards,
Javier Candeira




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From sunny at mhfa.com.au  Thu Feb 26 02:15:51 2015
From: sunny at mhfa.com.au (Sunny)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:15:51 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com>
wrote:

> I think there is a difference between a job offer on a community list and
> a recruiter non-offer.
>

I may be going off-topic here (feel free to reply privately if you need)..
but what's the deal with recruiter non-offer? You mean they are out there
just to gather candidate profiles ready to go or something?

Just curious in the world of programming job market.

Cheers!
Sunny
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From olitheolix at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 04:14:15 2015
From: olitheolix at gmail.com (Oliver Nagy)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:14:15 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
 (Python)
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Would it be an option to have two mailing lists? The "classic" one where ads
are strictly off limits, and another one purely for job ads?

We can then all decide for ourselves if we are interested in job
ads and no one needs to decide what is (or is not) an acceptable ad for the list.

Best,
    Oli

On 26/02/15 12:15, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote:
> Okay, here's my proposal.
>
> Let's put together either
>   (a) A word document
>   (b) A web page that's hosted somewhere (this is probably the best option)
>
> This should state our expectations for recruiters. About 80% of these email come
> from non-subscribers. I will reject all these emails and send them the
> information on how to get a message through, including the expectations on
> content and the need to subscribe directly. Having a specific easy-to-reference
> document will make it easier for me to moderate the list and cut down
> substantially on unwanted content.
>
> The big question for me is whether I should reject all of them, or let some
> through based on "gut feel".
>
> Once we've resolved it, I propose that everyone then accept that policy and not
> complain about whatever does make it onto the list. That way there won't be a
> big flutter of meta emails every time something happens.
>
> Until then, I'm going to continue with a gut-feel approach to moderation, but I
> am very happy to have something better in place.
>
> Thanks,
> -Tennessee
>
>
> On 26 February 2015 at 11:59, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com
> <mailto:javier at candeira.com>> wrote:
>
>     I think there is a difference between a job offer on a community list and a
>     recruiter non-offer.
>
>     Job offers that I can remember came from the BOM, Medibank, Biarri, Graeme
>     Gumnow. They spoke of the stack being used, the kind of job, and often a
>     clear salary expectation. They were also by someone who was part of the
>     community and could engage in meaningful discussion.
>
>     These type of job leads are great, and I think should be very welcome on
>     this list.
>
>     The ad we are discussing now:
>     - Does not mention an employer, or even an activity
>     - Does not mention a tech stack
>     - Has a salary bracket so wide as to be meaningless
>     - Is by someone who won't discuss the job or the employer, and does not form
>     part of the MPUG community.
>
>     For that, anybody interested or looking for a job can do a search themselves
>     on Seek or Monster for Python/Melbourne. There is zero loss to the community
>     in keeping this type of messages off the list.
>
>     I repeat my request that these messages not be approved, following the
>     criteria that I set in the previous recruiter thread.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Javier Candeira
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     melbourne-pug mailing list
>     melbourne-pug at python.org <mailto:melbourne-pug at python.org>
>     https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> Tennessee Leeuwenburg
> http://myownhat.blogspot.com/
> "Don't believe everything you think"
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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From javier at candeira.com  Thu Feb 26 04:28:50 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:28:50 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
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To be fair, I think the last two recruiter emails we've had are
actually related to real companies with real jobs, and they are
recruiting to fill these positions now. I still think they aren't the
kind of approach you expect in a community mailing list.

As I told both of the recruiters: if I went into their offices, said I
have a good candidate, no name, no CV, please send me offers, I'd be
laughed out of the door. But that's how they are treating us.

But yes, Sunny, there are such people that post ads just to gather
CVs, and as someone said in this thread, we need rules that can keep
them away without going into the personal details of "I like you, but
I don't like *you*".

J

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Sunny <sunny at mhfa.com.au> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I think there is a difference between a job offer on a community list and
>> a recruiter non-offer.
>
>
> I may be going off-topic here (feel free to reply privately if you need)..
> but what's the deal with recruiter non-offer? You mean they are out there
> just to gather candidate profiles ready to go or something?
>
> Just curious in the world of programming job market.
>
> Cheers!
> Sunny
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>

From javier at candeira.com  Thu Feb 26 02:18:17 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:18:17 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job Opportunity - Software Engineer/Developer
	(Python)
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Hi, Tennesee,

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll put the rule-of-thumb rules in the
wiki today after COB.

Also, no criticism on your passing the emails, despite the
disagreement. We never thank you for minding the mailing list, so
thank you!

Regards,

Javier

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg
<tleeuwenburg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, here's my proposal.
>
> Let's put together either
>  (a) A word document
>  (b) A web page that's hosted somewhere (this is probably the best option)
>
> This should state our expectations for recruiters. About 80% of these email
> come from non-subscribers. I will reject all these emails and send them the
> information on how to get a message through, including the expectations on
> content and the need to subscribe directly. Having a specific
> easy-to-reference document will make it easier for me to moderate the list
> and cut down substantially on unwanted content.
>
> The big question for me is whether I should reject all of them, or let some
> through based on "gut feel".
>
> Once we've resolved it, I propose that everyone then accept that policy and
> not complain about whatever does make it onto the list. That way there won't
> be a big flutter of meta emails every time something happens.
>
> Until then, I'm going to continue with a gut-feel approach to moderation,
> but I am very happy to have something better in place.
>
> Thanks,
> -Tennessee
>
>
> On 26 February 2015 at 11:59, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think there is a difference between a job offer on a community list and
>> a recruiter non-offer.
>>
>> Job offers that I can remember came from the BOM, Medibank, Biarri, Graeme
>> Gumnow. They spoke of the stack being used, the kind of job, and often a
>> clear salary expectation. They were also by someone who was part of the
>> community and could engage in meaningful discussion.
>>
>> These type of job leads are great, and I think should be very welcome on
>> this list.
>>
>> The ad we are discussing now:
>> - Does not mention an employer, or even an activity
>> - Does not mention a tech stack
>> - Has a salary bracket so wide as to be meaningless
>> - Is by someone who won't discuss the job or the employer, and does not
>> form part of the MPUG community.
>>
>> For that, anybody interested or looking for a job can do a search
>> themselves on Seek or Monster for Python/Melbourne. There is zero loss to
>> the community in keeping this type of messages off the list.
>>
>> I repeat my request that these messages not be approved, following the
>> criteria that I set in the previous recruiter thread.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Javier Candeira
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> Tennessee Leeuwenburg
> http://myownhat.blogspot.com/
> "Don't believe everything you think"

From daryl at commoncode.com.au  Thu Feb 26 23:05:09 2015
From: daryl at commoncode.com.au (Daryl Antony)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:05:09 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Common Code Roles :: 1) Python / Django 2)
 Automated Front-end Browser Testing
Message-ID: <CAADXKi_kqaLEW3OR8VNdjQF0nugEuiLT3R1NNdKtJvwREY39QA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi MPuggers.

Common Code is looking for roles in the following:

1) Python / Django
2) Automated Front-end Browser Testing

And a general callout for web-related roles from March / April.

~ Daryl.
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