From gcross at fastmail.fm  Sun Aug  3 10:03:53 2014
From: gcross at fastmail.fm (Graeme Cross)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 18:03:53 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Reminder: MPUG is on August 11th (not the 4th)
Message-ID: <1407053033.2662551.148545890.5D2F3294@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hello everyone.

Just a reminder that this month's MPUG meeting is going to be on the
*second* Monday this month (August 11), so it doesn't clash with PyCon
AU, which is on at the moment in Brisbane.

See you in a week's time.

Regards
Graeme

From javier at candeira.com  Mon Aug  4 12:21:38 2014
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 20:21:38 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Reminder: MPUG is on August 11th (not the 4th)
In-Reply-To: <1407053033.2662551.148545890.5D2F3294@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1407053033.2662551.148545890.5D2F3294@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbfRLX8GTocDtSsFjZW_F7Rt3BA_kDmKs3h0Th=60-v_gw@mail.gmail.com>

Here's the provisional programme for both the August 11 meeting and
the September 1 meeting, pasted straight-ish from the wiki:

'''Monday, 11 August 2014, 6:00p.m.''' at ''Inspire 9: Level 1, 41
Stewart Street, Richmond.''

'''Special Session'''

 * MPUG Community -- What's New in Python, Pycon Australia and SciPy
2014 Edition:
 * Juan Nu?ez Iglesias - What happened at SciPy 2014
 * Rory Hart - Python Micro-Service Architecture
 * To_be_confirmed - Yet Another Awesome Talk from Pycon

'''Monday, 1 September 2014, 6:00p.m.''' at ''Inspire 9: Level 1, 41
Stewart Street, Richmond.''

 * Javier Candeira -- What's New in Python, September Edition
 * Jason King -- BDD using Behave with Quicksilver
 * Andy Kitchen -- Bolzmann Machines with Theano and AWS

As always, two notes:

- 5 minute lightning talks are always welcome.
- if you have anything you'd like to talk about at greater length,
please come forward in person or on the mailing list! We are already
programming the presentations for the October session, and it's quite
a pleasure to be ahead of the calendar and not have to chase people
asking them please to come talk to MPUG.

Cheers,

Javier

On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Graeme Cross <gcross at fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Hello everyone.
>
> Just a reminder that this month's MPUG meeting is going to be on the
> *second* Monday this month (August 11), so it doesn't clash with PyCon
> AU, which is on at the moment in Brisbane.
>
> See you in a week's time.
>
> Regards
> Graeme
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug

From lex.lists at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 01:24:17 2014
From: lex.lists at gmail.com (Lex H)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 09:24:17 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] South talk in Melbourne tonight
Message-ID: <CALX3mym=4awv+KztAVLmOHmVs34xSSWZ6rV2JLMns8pWdQ9ovw@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like the south author is giving his talk about getting schema
migrations into Django 1.7 at the MelbDjango meetup tonight, in case any
one was interested:

http://www.meetup.com/MelbDjango/events/199305012/
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From brian at microcomaustralia.com.au  Thu Aug  7 02:04:07 2014
From: brian at microcomaustralia.com.au (Brian May)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 10:04:07 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] South talk in Melbourne tonight
In-Reply-To: <CALX3mym=4awv+KztAVLmOHmVs34xSSWZ6rV2JLMns8pWdQ9ovw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALX3mym=4awv+KztAVLmOHmVs34xSSWZ6rV2JLMns8pWdQ9ovw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA0ZO6Di4oRuxEonCaeyhw_UoBRveudouUKc2d9CuR8DRKTMcg@mail.gmail.com>

On 7 August 2014 09:24, Lex H <lex.lists at gmail.com> wrote:

> Looks like the south author is giving his talk about getting schema
> migrations into Django 1.7 at the MelbDjango meetup tonight, in case any
> one was interested:
>
> http://www.meetup.com/MelbDjango/events/199305012/
>

I thought that was a good talk at the PyConAu Django miniconf.
-- 
Brian May <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>
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From gcross at fastmail.fm  Thu Aug  7 03:24:55 2014
From: gcross at fastmail.fm (Graeme Cross)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 11:24:55 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] South talk in Melbourne tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAA0ZO6Di4oRuxEonCaeyhw_UoBRveudouUKc2d9CuR8DRKTMcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALX3mym=4awv+KztAVLmOHmVs34xSSWZ6rV2JLMns8pWdQ9ovw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAA0ZO6Di4oRuxEonCaeyhw_UoBRveudouUKc2d9CuR8DRKTMcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1407374695.612036.149996394.0A632E75@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Thu, 7 Aug 2014, at 10:04 AM, Brian May wrote:

On 7 August 2014 09:24, Lex H <[1]lex.lists at gmail.com> wrote:

Looks like the south author is giving his talk about getting
schema migrations into Django 1.7 at the MelbDjango meetup
tonight, in case any one was interested:

[2]http://www.meetup.com/MelbDjango/events/199305012/


I thought that was a good talk at the PyConAu Django miniconf.
--
Brian May <[3]brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>



I was at the science miniconf, so missed Andrew's talk there,
but I did get to his talk at the main conference about "small
data" and it was an interesting and well presented talk. If you
are free tonight, I would recommend going along:



[4]http://2014.pycon-au.org/schedule/30014/view_talk?day=sunday



Regards,

Graeme

References

1. mailto:lex.lists at gmail.com
2. http://www.meetup.com/MelbDjango/events/199305012/
3. mailto:brian at microcomaustralia.com.au
4. http://2014.pycon-au.org/schedule/30014/view_talk?day=sunday
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From javier at candeira.com  Sun Aug 10 07:42:06 2014
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:42:06 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] MPUG meeting tomorrow, 11 August, 6pm, Inspire 9
Message-ID: <CAKADsbfhTPXSkBF3o2wO9jky8C5ZLM0WtdDqGMTc_7uOAoxsSQ@mail.gmail.com>

'''Monday, 11 August 2014, 6:00p.m.''' at ''Inspire 9: Level 1, 41
Stewart Street, Richmond.''

'''Special Session'''

 * MPUG Community -- What's New in Python, Pycon Australia and SciPy
2014 Edition:
 * Juan Nu?ez Iglesias - What happened at SciPy 2014
 * Rory Hart - Python Micro-Service Architecture
 * To_be_confirmed - Yet Another Awesome Talk from Pycon
 * Javier Candeira - Something they told us not to do at Pycon but
then I went and did it anyway (lightning talk - 5 minutes)

'''Monday, 1 September 2014, 6:00p.m.''' at ''Inspire 9: Level 1, 41
Stewart Street, Richmond.''

 * Javier Candeira -- What's New in Python, September Edition
 * Jason King -- BDD using Behave with Quicksilver
 * Andy Kitchen -- Bolzmann Machines with Theano and AWS

From javier at candeira.com  Sun Aug 10 08:49:38 2014
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 16:49:38 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] MPUG meeting tomorrow, 11 August, 6pm, Inspire 9
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbfhTPXSkBF3o2wO9jky8C5ZLM0WtdDqGMTc_7uOAoxsSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKADsbfhTPXSkBF3o2wO9jky8C5ZLM0WtdDqGMTc_7uOAoxsSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbe5yH+9UYkBrnMww9pniA9AmEuvM6uKz1zv6sp+-C98Pw@mail.gmail.com>

I forgot to say: please put your hands up for the October session and
going forward!

J

On 8/10/14, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com> wrote:
> '''Monday, 11 August 2014, 6:00p.m.''' at ''Inspire 9: Level 1, 41
> Stewart Street, Richmond.''
>
> '''Special Session'''
>
>  * MPUG Community -- What's New in Python, Pycon Australia and SciPy
> 2014 Edition:
>  * Juan Nu?ez Iglesias - What happened at SciPy 2014
>  * Rory Hart - Python Micro-Service Architecture
>  * To_be_confirmed - Yet Another Awesome Talk from Pycon
>  * Javier Candeira - Something they told us not to do at Pycon but
> then I went and did it anyway (lightning talk - 5 minutes)
>
> '''Monday, 1 September 2014, 6:00p.m.''' at ''Inspire 9: Level 1, 41
> Stewart Street, Richmond.''
>
>  * Javier Candeira -- What's New in Python, September Edition
>  * Jason King -- BDD using Behave with Quicksilver
>  * Andy Kitchen -- Bolzmann Machines with Theano and AWS
>

From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Mon Aug 11 02:34:31 2014
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:34:31 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] OS license requirements
Message-ID: <53E80F97.8030008@dewhirst.com.au>

Apologies for cross-posting

I'm getting near to open sourcing a Django project and have to choose an 
appropriate license. Can anyone help me choose?

I have settled on the following requirements ...

1. Project source must be freely available for end users to view and 
download and modify and further distribute to others

2. But if user modified source is distributed the modified source must 
be freely available for others to view and download and modify and be 
subject to the identical license as the project source

3. However, if the user modified source is kept in-house and not further 
distributed the changed source may be kept private or offered back to 
the project as a patch at the whim of that user.

4. Project (and user modified) source may be combined with proprietary 
software but the project (or user mofified) source component remains 
subject to the same license. It cannot be distributed as a combined 
whole under any other license than the project license.

5. But it can be distributed as a combined whole with proprietary 
software provided the project (or user modified) source component is 
freely available for end users to view and download and further 
distribute to others under the project license even if the proprietary 
component is not.

BTW, Django doesn't require that my project use the Django license and 
of course I won't be distributing Django.

I'm leaning towards the LGPL but would appreciate feedback from anyone 
with contrary views.

Thanks

Mike

From ben+python at benfinney.id.au  Mon Aug 11 02:48:21 2014
From: ben+python at benfinney.id.au (Ben Finney)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:48:21 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] OS license requirements
References: <53E80F97.8030008@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <85mwbb97hm.fsf@benfinney.id.au>

Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au> writes:

> I'm getting near to open sourcing a Django project and have to choose
> an appropriate license. Can anyone help me choose?

Thank you for working to release the software under free terms.

> I have settled on the following requirements ...
>
> 1. Project source must be freely available for end users to view and
> download and modify and further distribute to others

These are essential to free software.

> 2. But if user modified source is distributed the modified source must
> be freely available for others to view and download and modify and be
> subject to the identical license as the project source

This makes the license a ?copyleft?: the recipient is free to
redistribute only under terms with all the same freedoms.

> 3. However, if the user modified source is kept in-house and not
> further distributed the changed source may be kept private or offered
> back to the project as a patch at the whim of that user.

Fine. It's not at all clear copyright even applies to modifications if
they're not redistributed to others; you can assume this is permitted in
any free software license.

> 4. Project (and user modified) source may be combined with proprietary
> software but the project (or user mofified) source component remains
> subject to the same license.

As you describe this, it is an oxymoron. Complying with the terms above
makes the work free, not proprietary. A free work distributed under
non-free terms (?proprietary?) is not free.

So I don't understand what it is you want with this. Either you want to
require redistributino under free terms, or you want further
restrictions to be allowed. Which?

> I'm leaning towards the LGPL but would appreciate feedback from anyone
> with contrary views.

Based on your stated requirements, I would advice you to license the
work under ?GNU GPL version 3 or later?, but you'll need to clarify what
appear to be incompatible constraints.

-- 
 \        ?Don't fight forces, use them.? ?Richard Buckminster Fuller, |
  `\                                                   _Shelter_, 1932 |
_o__)                                                                  |
Ben Finney


From henry.walshaw at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 02:50:32 2014
From: henry.walshaw at gmail.com (Henry Walshaw)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:50:32 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] OS license requirements
In-Reply-To: <53E80F97.8030008@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <53E80F97.8030008@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAFsDd-ggeC3j8-LRCW9GsDbGM-J9c6+6mkJqZ4T1t1V5N4rgAg@mail.gmail.com>

It sounds pretty close to LGPL. But maybe have a play with TLDRLegal (
https://tldrlegal.com/ ) which is a nice way to look at and search for
licenses (see the LGPL license @
https://tldrlegal.com/license/gnu-lesser-general-public-license-v2.1-(lgpl-2.1)
). Something that I only saw when I took a look at it this morning is
they've now got a reverse search which will let you drop in license
conditions and return licenses that match, which might also fit your bill.

Regards,
-Henry


On 11 August 2014 10:34, Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au> wrote:

> Apologies for cross-posting
>
> I'm getting near to open sourcing a Django project and have to choose an
> appropriate license. Can anyone help me choose?
>
> I have settled on the following requirements ...
>
> 1. Project source must be freely available for end users to view and
> download and modify and further distribute to others
>
> 2. But if user modified source is distributed the modified source must be
> freely available for others to view and download and modify and be subject
> to the identical license as the project source
>
> 3. However, if the user modified source is kept in-house and not further
> distributed the changed source may be kept private or offered back to the
> project as a patch at the whim of that user.
>
> 4. Project (and user modified) source may be combined with proprietary
> software but the project (or user mofified) source component remains
> subject to the same license. It cannot be distributed as a combined whole
> under any other license than the project license.
>
> 5. But it can be distributed as a combined whole with proprietary software
> provided the project (or user modified) source component is freely
> available for end users to view and download and further distribute to
> others under the project license even if the proprietary component is not.
>
> BTW, Django doesn't require that my project use the Django license and of
> course I won't be distributing Django.
>
> I'm leaning towards the LGPL but would appreciate feedback from anyone
> with contrary views.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
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From pete at flooble.net  Mon Aug 11 04:13:15 2014
From: pete at flooble.net (Peter Wright)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:13:15 +0800
Subject: [melbourne-pug] OS license requirements
In-Reply-To: <85mwbb97hm.fsf@benfinney.id.au>
References: <53E80F97.8030008@dewhirst.com.au> <85mwbb97hm.fsf@benfinney.id.au>
Message-ID: <20140811021315.GQ29239@flooble.net>

On 11/08 10:48:21, Ben Finney wrote:
> Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au> writes:
> > 3. However, if the user modified source is kept in-house and not
> > further distributed the changed source may be kept private or
> > offered back to the project as a patch at the whim of that user.
> 
> Fine. It's not at all clear copyright even applies to modifications
> if they're not redistributed to others;
[ snip ]

It's worth noting that (as Ben implies) the ?distribution? concept is
fairly important. You could quite happily license your software as GPL
and someone else would still be able to modify it and even sell access
to its enhanced(?) functionality over a web service, *without* needing
to make their changes available at all.

It's only if they wanted to distribute that software outside their
organisation that the GPL requirements start to apply. For web
software, this can be a bit of a loophole. :-)

The Affero GPL attempts to close this loophole. I don't *think* you'd
want to use it, but you might find it worth a look to make sure:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License


Pete.
-- 
Real programmers don't draw flowcharts.  Flowcharts are, after all, the
illiterate's form of documentation.  Cavemen drew flowcharts; look how
much good it did them.

From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Mon Aug 11 06:38:25 2014
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:38:25 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] OS license requirements
In-Reply-To: <85mwbb97hm.fsf@benfinney.id.au>
References: <53E80F97.8030008@dewhirst.com.au> <85mwbb97hm.fsf@benfinney.id.au>
Message-ID: <53E848C1.10605@dewhirst.com.au>

On 11/08/2014 10:48 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
> Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au> writes:
>
>> I'm getting near to open sourcing a Django project and have to choose
>> an appropriate license. Can anyone help me choose?
>
> Thank you for working to release the software under free terms.
>
>> I have settled on the following requirements ...
>>
>> 1. Project source must be freely available for end users to view and
>> download and modify and further distribute to others
>
> These are essential to free software.
>
>> 2. But if user modified source is distributed the modified source must
>> be freely available for others to view and download and modify and be
>> subject to the identical license as the project source
>
> This makes the license a ???copyleft???: the recipient is free to
> redistribute only under terms with all the same freedoms.
>
>> 3. However, if the user modified source is kept in-house and not
>> further distributed the changed source may be kept private or offered
>> back to the project as a patch at the whim of that user.
>
> Fine. It's not at all clear copyright even applies to modifications if
> they're not redistributed to others; you can assume this is permitted in
> any free software license.
>
>> 4. Project (and user modified) source may be combined with proprietary
>> software but the project (or user mofified) source component remains
>> subject to the same license.
>
> As you describe this, it is an oxymoron. Complying with the terms above
> makes the work free, not proprietary. A free work distributed under
> non-free terms (???proprietary???) is not free.

My software will need to interface with unknown other systems on other 
platforms than the server platform I provide. If someone else wants to 
distribute their (unknown to me) system with mine interfaced, I don't 
wish to prevent that. If the other user doesn't want to use my license 
they have to dual-license and specify my license for my software. Their 
license might be proprietary and their component might be closed source. 
If they modify my source I want that to be freely available.

>
> So I don't understand what it is you want with this. Either you want to
> require redistributino under free terms, or you want further
> restrictions to be allowed. Which?
>
>> I'm leaning towards the LGPL but would appreciate feedback from anyone
>> with contrary views.
>
> Based on your stated requirements, I would advice you to license the
> work under ???GNU GPL version 3 or later???, but you'll need to clarify what
> appear to be incompatible constraints.
>


From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Mon Aug 11 08:33:45 2014
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:33:45 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] OS license requirements
In-Reply-To: <53E84A5B.2050806@gmail.com>
References: <53E84A5B.2050806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53E863C9.5090400@dewhirst.com.au>

On 11/08/2014 2:45 PM, Oliver Nagy wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> I do not seem to be able to post to the list, so here is a private
> reply.
>
> I believe you want the Mozilla Public License. It is similar in
> spirit to the LGPL but allows your code to be freely mixed with other
> (proprietary) code.
>
> You can find the license here https://www.mozilla.org/MPL/
>
> A useful explanation is here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Public_License.
>
> And a brief discussion about the differences between LGPL and MPL is
> here:
>
> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/221365/mozilla-public-license-mpl-2-0-vs-lesser-gnu-general-public-license-lgpl-3-0

It certainly seems more permissive from a technical perspective.

However, not being compiled software, I can't see much effective 
difference between the two licenses with respect to dynamic and static 
linking.

The advice which seems worth thinking about the most is whether the Free 
Software Foundation or the Mozilla Foundation will help if their license 
is breached.

Not sure there - although I am aware of FSF efforts in Europe.

Thanks Oli

Mike

>
>
>
> Good luck!
>
> Best, Oli
>


From pizza at netspace.net.au  Mon Aug 11 09:29:15 2014
From: pizza at netspace.net.au (Jason King)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:29:15 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] MPUG meeting tomorrow, 11 August, 6pm, Inspire 9
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbfhTPXSkBF3o2wO9jky8C5ZLM0WtdDqGMTc_7uOAoxsSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKADsbfhTPXSkBF3o2wO9jky8C5ZLM0WtdDqGMTc_7uOAoxsSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53E870CB.2080206@netspace.net.au>

On 10/08/14 15:42, Javier Candeira wrote:
>   * Jason King -- BDD using Behave with Quicksilver
>

no javier!  bad javier!.  its selenium
http://periodictable.com/Samples/034.12/s9s.JPG
http://periodictable.com/Samples/034.21/s7s.JPG

not quicksilver/mercury
http://periodictable.com/Samples/080.14/s9s.JPG
http://imgur.com/JMJ9vne

completely different substances.

From javier at candeira.com  Mon Aug 11 10:38:16 2014
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:38:16 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] MPUG meeting tomorrow, 11 August, 6pm, Inspire 9
In-Reply-To: <53E870CB.2080206@netspace.net.au>
References: <CAKADsbfhTPXSkBF3o2wO9jky8C5ZLM0WtdDqGMTc_7uOAoxsSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53E870CB.2080206@netspace.net.au>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbc5xm-Jn0jeJ_qbu6ucE1PfZpBR=retSz6_4hRBAhbohA@mail.gmail.com>

Argh, for my sins, I repasted from the previous email with the mistake!

At least the wiki was already amended.

Apologies again from this penitent,

J



On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Jason King <pizza at netspace.net.au> wrote:
> On 10/08/14 15:42, Javier Candeira wrote:
>>
>>   * Jason King -- BDD using Behave with Quicksilver
>>
>
> no javier!  bad javier!.  its selenium
> http://periodictable.com/Samples/034.12/s9s.JPG
> http://periodictable.com/Samples/034.21/s7s.JPG
>
> not quicksilver/mercury
> http://periodictable.com/Samples/080.14/s9s.JPG
> http://imgur.com/JMJ9vne
>
> completely different substances.
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug

From jni.soma at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 13:22:13 2014
From: jni.soma at gmail.com (Juan Nunez-Iglesias)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 21:22:13 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] MPUG meeting tomorrow, 11 August, 6pm, Inspire 9
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbc5xm-Jn0jeJ_qbu6ucE1PfZpBR=retSz6_4hRBAhbohA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKADsbfhTPXSkBF3o2wO9jky8C5ZLM0WtdDqGMTc_7uOAoxsSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53E870CB.2080206@netspace.net.au>
 <CAKADsbc5xm-Jn0jeJ_qbu6ucE1PfZpBR=retSz6_4hRBAhbohA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JHcKSQm=Ljd+Tw7wGLaBnizq+DK5oZnWt=AQ61HL+13Rzm-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Apologies that I had to run -- had to catch a train home (Geelong) that was
subsequently cancelled! =\

Nick, sux might be my favourite name for a library, ever. And it is simply
amazing that it works so well! =)

Thanks everyone for listening and I hope to chat on 1/9! Or feel free to
get in touch beforehand if you want to discuss anything and everything.

Juan.


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com>
wrote:

> Argh, for my sins, I repasted from the previous email with the mistake!
>
> At least the wiki was already amended.
>
> Apologies again from this penitent,
>
> J
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Jason King <pizza at netspace.net.au> wrote:
> > On 10/08/14 15:42, Javier Candeira wrote:
> >>
> >>   * Jason King -- BDD using Behave with Quicksilver
> >>
> >
> > no javier!  bad javier!.  its selenium
> > http://periodictable.com/Samples/034.12/s9s.JPG
> > http://periodictable.com/Samples/034.21/s7s.JPG
> >
> > not quicksilver/mercury
> > http://periodictable.com/Samples/080.14/s9s.JPG
> > http://imgur.com/JMJ9vne
> >
> > completely different substances.
> > _______________________________________________
> > melbourne-pug mailing list
> > melbourne-pug at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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From javier at candeira.com  Mon Aug 11 13:37:13 2014
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 21:37:13 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] MPUG meeting tomorrow, 11 August, 6pm, Inspire 9
In-Reply-To: <CA+JHcKSQm=Ljd+Tw7wGLaBnizq+DK5oZnWt=AQ61HL+13Rzm-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKADsbfhTPXSkBF3o2wO9jky8C5ZLM0WtdDqGMTc_7uOAoxsSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53E870CB.2080206@netspace.net.au>
 <CAKADsbc5xm-Jn0jeJ_qbu6ucE1PfZpBR=retSz6_4hRBAhbohA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+JHcKSQm=Ljd+Tw7wGLaBnizq+DK5oZnWt=AQ61HL+13Rzm-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbeb7FE4Y-LB-tGCfRPMtuQyLAnE8c+kZa=g=wcB8gJzhA@mail.gmail.com>

Gracias, Juan!

Thanks also Rory and Nick for their presentations, and Mike for
shouting us beer.

We are now looking for presentations for November (there is one slot
in October that is only penciled in, but I'm hoping for confirmation).

I know, it looks like a long time, but think of this: you have two
months and three weeks to prepare!

J

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Juan Nunez-Iglesias <jni.soma at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Apologies that I had to run ? had to catch a train home (Geelong) that was
> subsequently cancelled! =\
>
> Nick, sux might be my favourite name for a library, ever. And it is simply
> amazing that it works so well! =)
>
> Thanks everyone for listening and I hope to chat on 1/9! Or feel free to get
> in touch beforehand if you want to discuss anything and everything.
>
> Juan.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Argh, for my sins, I repasted from the previous email with the mistake!
>>
>> At least the wiki was already amended.
>>
>> Apologies again from this penitent,
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Jason King <pizza at netspace.net.au> wrote:
>> > On 10/08/14 15:42, Javier Candeira wrote:
>> >>
>> >>   * Jason King -- BDD using Behave with Quicksilver
>> >>
>> >
>> > no javier!  bad javier!.  its selenium
>> > http://periodictable.com/Samples/034.12/s9s.JPG
>> > http://periodictable.com/Samples/034.21/s7s.JPG
>> >
>> > not quicksilver/mercury
>> > http://periodictable.com/Samples/080.14/s9s.JPG
>> > http://imgur.com/JMJ9vne
>> >
>> > completely different substances.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > melbourne-pug mailing list
>> > melbourne-pug at python.org
>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>

From za at python.or.id  Mon Aug 11 13:54:06 2014
From: za at python.or.id (Zaki Akhmad)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:54:06 +0700
Subject: [melbourne-pug] MPUG meeting tomorrow, 11 August, 6pm, Inspire 9
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbeb7FE4Y-LB-tGCfRPMtuQyLAnE8c+kZa=g=wcB8gJzhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKADsbfhTPXSkBF3o2wO9jky8C5ZLM0WtdDqGMTc_7uOAoxsSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53E870CB.2080206@netspace.net.au>
 <CAKADsbc5xm-Jn0jeJ_qbu6ucE1PfZpBR=retSz6_4hRBAhbohA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+JHcKSQm=Ljd+Tw7wGLaBnizq+DK5oZnWt=AQ61HL+13Rzm-Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKADsbeb7FE4Y-LB-tGCfRPMtuQyLAnE8c+kZa=g=wcB8gJzhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGrappbHM4cfSp-2BEsncUhzy_cGBKuRaRdFTPtW4BEPH5bTuA@mail.gmail.com>

Gracias Javier and everyone. It was my first Python meetup in Melbourne.

Cheers,


-- 
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PlanPin | Planet Python Indonesia
http://planet.python.or.id
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From paul at greenberg.pro  Mon Aug 11 16:52:08 2014
From: paul at greenberg.pro (Paul Greenberg)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:52:08 +0000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] OS license requirements
In-Reply-To: <1fbc42b4-7f95-4d70-8a96-acd79ae27844@googlegroups.com>
References: <53E80F97.8030008@dewhirst.com.au>,
 <1fbc42b4-7f95-4d70-8a96-acd79ae27844@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <1407768703501.74668@greenberg.pro>

Perhaps, OSL would work better in this case?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Software_License

Open Software License
The Open Software License (OSL) is a software license created by Lawrence Rosen. The Open Source Initiative (OSI) has certified it as an open-source license...
Read more...<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Software_License>



________________________________
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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 9:45 AM
To: django-users at googlegroups.com
Cc: melbourne-pug at python.org
Subject: Re: OS license requirements

LGPL sounds the closest to me.

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From olitheolix at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 05:00:10 2014
From: olitheolix at gmail.com (Oliver Nagy)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 13:00:10 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] OS license requirements
In-Reply-To: <53E80F97.8030008@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <53E80F97.8030008@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <53E831BA.8090506@gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

if you are leaning towards the LGPL you may want to consider the
Mozilla Public License as well. Both licenses are similar in spirit but the MPL
makes code mixing with differently licensed projects easier (Point 4 in your
list).

For license details see https://www.mozilla.org/MPL/ or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Public_License.

A brief discussion about the differences between LGPL and MPL is available here:
http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/221365/mozilla-public-license-mpl-2-0-vs-lesser-gnu-general-public-license-lgpl-3-0

Best,
    Oli

On 11/08/14 10:34, Mike Dewhirst wrote:
> Apologies for cross-posting
>
> I'm getting near to open sourcing a Django project and have to choose an
> appropriate license. Can anyone help me choose?
>
> I have settled on the following requirements ...
>
> 1. Project source must be freely available for end users to view and download
> and modify and further distribute to others
>
> 2. But if user modified source is distributed the modified source must be freely
> available for others to view and download and modify and be subject to the
> identical license as the project source
>
> 3. However, if the user modified source is kept in-house and not further
> distributed the changed source may be kept private or offered back to the
> project as a patch at the whim of that user.
>
> 4. Project (and user modified) source may be combined with proprietary software
> but the project (or user mofified) source component remains subject to the same
> license. It cannot be distributed as a combined whole under any other license
> than the project license.
>
> 5. But it can be distributed as a combined whole with proprietary software
> provided the project (or user modified) source component is freely available for
> end users to view and download and further distribute to others under the
> project license even if the proprietary component is not.
>
> BTW, Django doesn't require that my project use the Django license and of course
> I won't be distributing Django.
>
> I'm leaning towards the LGPL but would appreciate feedback from anyone with
> contrary views.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
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> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug

From cmawebsite at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 15:45:36 2014
From: cmawebsite at gmail.com (Collin Anderson)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:45:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [melbourne-pug] OS license requirements
In-Reply-To: <53E80F97.8030008@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <53E80F97.8030008@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <1fbc42b4-7f95-4d70-8a96-acd79ae27844@googlegroups.com>

LGPL sounds the closest to me.
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From anthony.briggs at gmail.com  Tue Aug 12 03:46:37 2014
From: anthony.briggs at gmail.com (Anthony Briggs)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:46:37 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] List courtesy
Message-ID: <CAO4-38_v0SdXGfepic+g1UtYg36JnZ7aeNZJ2UhVXGWCh9STcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Just as a courtesy to us list admins, would you mind posting to the list
with the address that you used to subscribe?

I had a bunch waiting for me this morning - it'll mean that your email will
be seen sooner, and save us some time.

Thanks,

Anthony
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From ed at pythoncharmers.com  Tue Aug 12 06:35:57 2014
From: ed at pythoncharmers.com (Ed Schofield)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:35:57 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python jobs
Message-ID: <BA1764A8-6FFF-4B8D-88D8-0278E965ED38@pythoncharmers.com>

Hi guys,

I have been asked to post a Python job to this list:

- Software Developer: Python / Django, Primary Health Care, Ballarat: http://www.seek.com.au/job/26965709

Please contact the company if you?re interested!

Cheers,
    Ed


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From noonslists at gmail.com  Tue Aug 12 06:47:01 2014
From: noonslists at gmail.com (Noon Silk)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:47:01 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] OS license requirements
In-Reply-To: <1407768703501.74668@greenberg.pro>
References: <53E80F97.8030008@dewhirst.com.au>
 <1fbc42b4-7f95-4d70-8a96-acd79ae27844@googlegroups.com>
 <1407768703501.74668@greenberg.pro>
Message-ID: <CADt_azYxo0ehS9LRRnbyiCG4hkEGnL_C85G-RbrtT30DyzEf=A@mail.gmail.com>

There's also this:
    - https://github.com/pygy/The-Romantic-WTF-Public-License


On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Paul Greenberg <paul at greenberg.pro> wrote:

>  Perhaps, OSL would work better in this case?
>
>
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Software_License
>    Open Software License
>  The Open Software License (OSL) is a software license created by Lawrence
> Rosen. The Open Source Initiative (OSI) has certified it as an open-source
> license...
>  Read more... <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Software_License>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* django-users at googlegroups.com <django-users at googlegroups.com> on
> behalf of Collin Anderson <cmawebsite at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2014 9:45 AM
> *To:* django-users at googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* melbourne-pug at python.org
> *Subject:* Re: OS license requirements
>
>  LGPL sounds the closest to me.
>
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From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Tue Aug 12 07:07:12 2014
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:07:12 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] OS license requirements
In-Reply-To: <CADt_azYxo0ehS9LRRnbyiCG4hkEGnL_C85G-RbrtT30DyzEf=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53E80F97.8030008@dewhirst.com.au>
 <1fbc42b4-7f95-4d70-8a96-acd79ae27844@googlegroups.com>
 <1407768703501.74668@greenberg.pro>
 <CADt_azYxo0ehS9LRRnbyiCG4hkEGnL_C85G-RbrtT30DyzEf=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADhgxgdMpRa9DWS386nfVKUY_X3h2yEQWwknRzub6wjJe4K+=w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

I always go first to the Apache 2 license. It might not meet your needs,
but it's pretty flexible and reasonably specific.

One reason to choose any of the major licenses already listed is that it is
probably going to be more reliable than a hand-crafted license that people
are unfamiliar with.


On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Noon Silk <noonslists at gmail.com> wrote:

> There's also this:
>     - https://github.com/pygy/The-Romantic-WTF-Public-License
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Paul Greenberg <paul at greenberg.pro>
> wrote:
>
>>  Perhaps, OSL would work better in this case?
>>
>>
>>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Software_License
>>    Open Software License
>>  The Open Software License (OSL) is a software license created by
>> Lawrence Rosen. The Open Source Initiative (OSI) has certified it as an
>> open-source license...
>>  Read more... <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Software_License>
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* django-users at googlegroups.com <django-users at googlegroups.com> on
>> behalf of Collin Anderson <cmawebsite at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2014 9:45 AM
>> *To:* django-users at googlegroups.com
>> *Cc:* melbourne-pug at python.org
>> *Subject:* Re: OS license requirements
>>
>>  LGPL sounds the closest to me.
>>
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From ben+python at benfinney.id.au  Wed Aug 13 00:34:44 2014
From: ben+python at benfinney.id.au (Ben Finney)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:34:44 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] OS license requirements
References: <53E80F97.8030008@dewhirst.com.au>
 <1fbc42b4-7f95-4d70-8a96-acd79ae27844@googlegroups.com>
 <1407768703501.74668@greenberg.pro>
 <CADt_azYxo0ehS9LRRnbyiCG4hkEGnL_C85G-RbrtT30DyzEf=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <854mxh8hh7.fsf@benfinney.id.au>

Noon Silk <noonslists at gmail.com> writes:

> There's also this:
>     - https://github.com/pygy/The-Romantic-WTF-Public-License

While it's natural for people who like programming to also experiment
with writing their own license texts, it is to be strongly discouraged.

Please, do not consider the license landscape to be an open banquet. The
vast majority of lesser-known license texts out there are poor choices.

Law does *not* work according to pure logic, and the ramifications of a
particular license text can be both confusing, seemingly-nonsensical,
*and* real nevertheless.

We non-lawyers are not experts in discerning the many effects of a
license text, and we should not be choosing a license merely because it
seems to say what we want.

Worse, the effects of a license for software have ramifications beyond
one's own work: the recipient will often want to combine several works,
and needs to satisfy all the licenses simultaneously. A little-known
license will more often make this onerous or impossible, simply because
it has not been tested as widely in combination with others.

When choosing a license for software, please, choose one of the very
widely-understood and widely-implemented free software licenses: the GNU
licenses (GPL v3 ?or, at your option, any later version?); the Apache
License 2.0; the Expat (sometimes called ?MIT?) license; the 2-clause
BSD license. Others are a distant lower option, *because* they're less
widely used.

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  `\        church. We do not need the forgiveness of God, but of each |
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Ben Finney


From brian at python.org  Thu Aug 14 04:58:07 2014
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 02:58:07 -0000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCon 2015 Call for Proposals is open!
Message-ID: <mailman.35.1407985088.18126.melbourne-pug@python.org>

Hi Melbourne Python Users Group!

The PyCon organizers invite you to submit proposals for talks, tutorials, and posters to be presented at PyCon 2015 - https://us.pycon.org/2015/. The conference takes place April 8-16 in Montreal, Queubec, Canada and we'll be accepting talk and tutorial proposals through September 15, with posters accepted through November 1!

We want everyone to be a part of making PyCon what it is, which is why we invite everyone to submit proposals, and we invite everyone to be a part of the program committee. It's your PyCon, not mine. Whether you started with Python yesterday or you've been writing it since the 90s, everyone has different experiences, different knowledge, and a different story to tell. This is why we aim to strike a balance between beginner, intermediate, and advanced talks. We want the entire community to level up as a result of PyCon.

Over the years, we've put together proposal resources and advice to help answer some common topics surrounding our CFP (https://us.pycon.org/2015/speaking/proposal-resources/). We even put together a sample proposal and reviewed it for you at https://us.pycon.org/2015/speaking/proposal_advice/samples/SpacePug/. If you have any questions or tips that may help others, please email them to pycon-pc at python.org, or feel free to respond and I'll help you out.

The full details of our Call for Proposals are available at https://us.pycon.org/2015/speaking/cfp/. Keep an eye on that page as well as https://twitter.com/pycon and http://pycon.blogspot.com/ for details about ticket sales, financial aid, and more PyCon news!

Thanks for your time!

Brian Curtin, brian at python.org
Publicity Coordinator, PyCon 2015


From javier at candeira.com  Thu Aug 14 08:41:55 2014
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 16:41:55 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] MPUG venue sponsorship thanks and other thanks
Message-ID: <CAKADsbeSQz64Qe7_tK419u6wqJ4THUWMdYNMt42UoWiYzqtd7Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Monday, I forgot to thank Planet Innovation for the use of the venue.

Last month Inspire 9 started charging us a fee for the space, and
different companies will be paying for MPUG to be able to stay there.
Planet Innovation is the first of them, so thanks, PI!

And thanks again to all the speakers, and to Mike Dewhirst for
bringing beer. You are a gentleman!

Since I am in public announcement mode, let me remind you that we are
always looking for speakers, and you don't have to be the author of
the library or project you present. If you've used it last week, and
you found it was good, we'd like to hear about it. Thanks in advance!

Cheers,

The MPUG organisers.

From tom at eastman.net.nz  Fri Aug 15 08:00:01 2014
From: tom at eastman.net.nz (Tom Eastman)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 18:00:01 +1200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Kiwi PyCon 2014: One month to go!
Message-ID: <53EDA1E1.7020303@eastman.net.nz>


Time flies! And it's now just under one month until Kiwi PyCon 2014
kicks off on the 12 of September in Newtown, Wellington.

We have a couple things to get through in today's update:

 * Registration and tutorials
 * Accommodation!
 * Financial aid
 * Dinner plans


Registration and tutorials
==========================

(tl; dr: act *now* to get the last tutorial spots! And register soon for
the main event!)

We're thrilled to see the registration numbers climb -- as of this
minute we've already sold almost almost half our tickets and the number
is climbing by the hour.

If you *are* intending to come to Kiwi PyCon, don't delay but register
as soon as you can! Our ticket prices are so cheap that it's hard to
incentivise early sales (there's no point in having an 'early-bird'
price when the main price is so affordable!), but if you register early
you're really doing us a favour by helping us confirm numbers and
solidify our plans.

Eventually there *will* be some firm deadlines, for example: "register
before XXXX or you won't be guaranteed a T-Shirt in your size". Or you
might even miss out on catering!

We'll warn you when we're about to bump into one of those deadlines, but
please, if you're going to come to Kiwi PyCon, tell us sooner rather
than later!

As for tutorials -- you're very nearly out of luck! As I write this two
tutorials are sold out, one has six places left, and the other has
exactly ONE spot left (Maybe you should go and register for it then keep
reading...).

The registration details are all at:

	http://kiwi.pycon.org/registration/

Better head there now, sign up, and then come back and read the rest.


Accommodation!
==============

(tl; dr: Book your accommodation soon soon like now soon we can't
emphasize it enough kind of yesterday soon)

On the weekend of the 12th of September there is not only the best
Python conference ever happening, but also an All Blacks vs South Africa
match.

Hotels and accommodation are filling up fast! Wellington is not a small
town but it's going to be filled to the brim.

(Not to mention, with the general election the next week all sorts of
other characters might be flitting into town)

The Kiwi PyCon team have managed to reserve sets of rooms at two hotels
-- one in Kilburnie and one a bit out of town at Lower Hutt. The
Kilburnie hotel is a short bus ride to the venue, and the Angus Hotel
(Lower Hutt) is a longer ride but we'll be chartering a bus to and from
the hotel.

However, you need to know that we can only hold onto these blocked
bookings for about another week. After that they will be released again
to be snapped up by the general non-Pythonista public, and we want to
make sure you all have a place to stay before that happens!

Head to http://kiwi.pycon.org/accommodation/ for the details on some
hotels, don't wait till the week before the conference!


Financial Aid
=============

(tl; dr: If you want to come but don't think you can afford it, ask for
help!)

Once again this year, Kiwi PyCon has launched a financial aid program
for those who wish to come to Kiwi PyCon but are worried about being
able to afford it.

The details are all online at http://kiwi.pycon.org/financial-aid/ but
the low-down is: send an email to kiwipycon at nzpug.org with "Application
for Financial Aid" with a brief rundown on who you are and what sort of
assistance you're hoping to get, that is: we want to know if you just
need help paying for the ticket, or if you need help with flights, or
accommodation, or any combination of the above.

If you:

 - want to come to Kiwi PyCon, and
 - are not sure if you can, and
 - are not sure if you're the sort of person who can apply for financial
aid, then:

let me answer: you are EXACTLY the sort of person who can apply for
financial aid.


Dinner Plans
============

(tl; dr: Announcement and a new event on the registration page coming soon!)

The conference dinner will be on Saturday night, the final details are
being pinned down now. We'll send out an announcement when the
registration for the dinner opens, along with the details about time and
location.


That's it for this edition, but look look out soon for some more
announcements in the works!

See you all soon!

	Tom

On behalf of the New Zealand Python User Group and the Kiwi PyCon team.


From tom at eastman.net.nz  Sun Aug 17 05:54:23 2014
From: tom at eastman.net.nz (Tom Eastman)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:54:23 +1200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Kiwi PyCon 2014: Dinner ticket on sale now
Message-ID: <53F0276F.5050000@eastman.net.nz>


The New Zealand Python User Group and the Kiwi PyCon 2014 team are 
pleased to announce that tickets are now on sale for the Kiwi PyCon 
Conference dinner, to be held on Saturday the 13th of September.

The venue for this year's conference dinner is Ozeki, a recently-opened 
Japanese restaurant at the high end of Tory Street in the CBD. It's 
about a 20 minute walk from the conference venue or a short hop by bus.

     http://www.ozeki.co.nz/

Tickets to the conference dinner are being sold separately from the main 
conference event, and you are welcome to purchase tickets for 
partners/+1s who may not be attending the conference itself.

NOTE: When you registered for the conference, you may have ticked the 
little box indicating that you would be interested in attending a 
conference dinner. This does *not* mean you already have a ticket to the 
dinner -- you still need to go to the dinner event page and register.

The ticket price of $38.00 covers the set menu, there will be a cash bar 
for drinks and the restaurant is BYO (a corkage fee may apply).

An evening of delicious food and great company, head over to the 
registration page and sign up!

     https://register.nzpug.org/event-1738760

Cheers!

Tom, on behalf of the New Zealand Python User Group and the Kiwi PyCon 
2014 team.



From tom at eastman.net.nz  Mon Aug 18 11:07:23 2014
From: tom at eastman.net.nz (Tom Eastman)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:07:23 +1200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Kiwi Pycon 2014: Cheap Flights to NZ from Australia!
Message-ID: <53F1C24B.4000807@eastman.net.nz>


Two things to tell you!

 - Cheap Flights from Australia to Wellington!
 - Accommodation!


Cheap Flights from Australia to Wellington!
-------------------------------------------

Our Tasmanian colleague and occasionally-on-the-ground informant Chris
Neugebauer informs us that Virgin Australia are currently offering cheap
flights from Australian departure points to Wellington for flights that
fall during around around the weekend of Kiwi PyCon 2014!

So if you've been on the fence about whether to cross the ditch and come
to Wellington next month, now is the time to register!

The VA website won't let me post direct links, but it looks like you
start here:

> http://www.virginaustralia.com/au/en/specials-offers/flight-specials/view-best-fares/

And click on the 'NZ' tab. Page down to the 'lucky last' destination
Wellington and have a look at the deals on the first line:

	03 Sep, 2014 - 17 Sep, 2014

Don't spent too long thinking about it though! The sale looks like it
ends on midnight Wednesday night!


Accommodation!
--------------

Once you get to Wellington, no matter where in the world you came in
from, we think it would be great if you had a place to sleep.

Accommodation in Wellington could end up being tight on the weekend of
the conference, since there may be an influx of many, many thousands of
Rugby fans swooping in to see the All Blacks vs South Africa match on
Saturday the 13th of September[1].

We have block bookings at two hotels, one is a short bus ride from the
venue, and the other is a long bus ride from the venue (but we'll be
providing the bus).

WARNING! We will only be able to hold on to these block bookings for a
few more days, after that they will be up for grabs by the general public!

Head to http://kiwi.pycon.org/accommodation/ as soon as you can and make
sure you have a place to stay for Kiwi PyCon!


There's more to come in the next update, this is shaping up to be quite
a weekend!

Cheers!

Tom, on behalf of the New Zealand Python User Group and Kiwi PyCon 2014


[1] ...when they *could* be coming to the Kiwi PyCon Conference dinner!
book your ticket at https://register.nzpug.org/event-1738760



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From tom.eastman at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 11:05:56 2014
From: tom.eastman at gmail.com (Tom Eastman)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:05:56 +1200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Kiwi Pycon 2014: Cheap Flights to NZ from Australia!
Message-ID: <53F1C1F4.3030308@gmail.com>


Two things to tell you!

 - Cheap Flights from Australia to Wellington!
 - Accommodation!


Cheap Flights from Australia to Wellington!
-------------------------------------------

Our Tasmanian colleague and occasionally-on-the-ground informant Chris
Neugebauer informs us that Virgin Australia are currently offering cheap
flights from Australian departure points to Wellington for flights that
fall during around around the weekend of Kiwi PyCon 2014!

So if you've been on the fence about whether to cross the ditch and come
to Wellington next month, now is the time to register!

The VA website won't let me post direct links, but it looks like you
start here:

> http://www.virginaustralia.com/au/en/specials-offers/flight-specials/view-best-fares/

And click on the 'NZ' tab. Page down to the 'lucky last' destination
Wellington and have a look at the deals on the first line:

	03 Sep, 2014 - 17 Sep, 2014

Don't spent too long thinking about it though! The sale looks like it
ends on midnight Wednesday night!


Accommodation!
--------------

Once you get to Wellington, no matter where in the world you came in
from, we think it would be great if you had a place to sleep.

Accommodation in Wellington could end up being tight on the weekend of
the conference, since there may be an influx of many, many thousands of
Rugby fans swooping in to see the All Blacks vs South Africa match on
Saturday the 13th of September[1].

We have block bookings at two hotels, one is a short bus ride from the
venue, and the other is a long bus ride from the venue (but we'll be
providing the bus).

WARNING! We will only be able to hold on to these block bookings for a
few more days, after that they will be up for grabs by the general public!

Head to http://kiwi.pycon.org/accommodation/ as soon as you can and make
sure you have a place to stay for Kiwi PyCon!


There's more to come in the next update, this is shaping up to be quite
a weekend!

Cheers!

Tom, on behalf of the New Zealand Python User Group and Kiwi PyCon 2014


[1] ...when they *could* be coming to the Kiwi PyCon Conference dinner!
book your ticket at https://register.nzpug.org/event-1738760)

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From tom at eastman.net.nz  Wed Aug 20 08:06:23 2014
From: tom at eastman.net.nz (Tom Eastman)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:06:23 +1200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Kiwi PyCon 2014 Financial aid deadline 22nd
Message-ID: <53F43ADF.1070602@eastman.net.nz>

Good evening,

There are only two days left to apply for Financial Aid to attend Kiwi
PyCon 2014.

If you would like to come to the conference, but for whatever reason
don't feel like you have the resources to make it, the financial aid
programme can help.

Head over to http://kiwi.pycon.org/financial-aid/ and read the details,
but the TL; DR version is: ANYONE can apply.

...as long as you do it on the 22nd or before, because we're going to
have to contact people as soon as humanly possible after the deadline
passes. Late applications may well be out of luck.

So please, don't hesitate to apply, if you want to come to Kiwi PyCon,
then we want to do what we can to get you here.

Cheers!

	Tom

-- 
  Tom Eastman  //  Catalyst IT  //  +64 4 803 2432



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From tom at catalyst.net.nz  Wed Aug 20 08:05:53 2014
From: tom at catalyst.net.nz (Tom Eastman)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:05:53 +1200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Kiwi PyCon 2014 Financial aid deadline 22nd
Message-ID: <53F43AC1.5020802@catalyst.net.nz>

Good evening,

There are only two days left to apply for Financial Aid to attend Kiwi
PyCon 2014.

If you would like to come to the conference, but for whatever reason
don't feel like you have the resources to make it, the financial aid
programme can help.

Head over to http://kiwi.pycon.org/financial-aid/ and read the details,
but the TL; DR version is: ANYONE can apply.

...as long as you do it on the 22nd or before, because we're going to
have to contact people as soon as humanly possible after the deadline
passes. Late applications may well be out of luck.

So please, don't hesitate to apply, if you want to come to Kiwi PyCon,
then we want to do what we can to get you here.

Cheers!

	Tom

-- 
  Tom Eastman  //  Catalyst IT  //  +64 4 803 2432

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From javier at candeira.com  Wed Aug 20 13:20:46 2014
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 21:20:46 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] 1 September 2014: Behaviour Driven Development,
 Machine Learning in the Cloud
Message-ID: <CAKADsbeT5eAa_63WZnXiosmO1CqT5yZEf=op6k=+q=+1=-n2WA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Melbourne Pythonistas,

In about ten days, on theMonday 1 September, we'll hold the
September meeting of the Melbourne Python Users Group!

Time: 6PM
Venue: Inspire 9: Level 1, 41 Stewart Street, Richmond. 50m from
Richmond Train Station.

Program:

15 minute talks

* Javier Candeira -- What's new in Python, Sepetmbre Edition.

25 minute talks

* Jason King -- BDD using Behave with Selenium (the web browser
automation tool, not the heavy metal)

* Andy Kitchen -- Pattern Recognition: Machine Learning on GPUs in the
Cloud (the buzzwords are also interesting: Andy uses Bolzmann Machines
with Theano and AWS)

::

As usual, we'll order pizza, with a $10 contribution required. Drinks
are BYO, but you're invited to bring a six-pack to share if you want!

If you'd like to give the What's New in Python talk in a future
session, you have a cool project you want to show, or you want to give
a short presentation on a library you've been using lately, please
just come forward during the meeting.

With many thanks to Planet Innovation for sponsoring our use of the venue,

The MPUG organisers

From andy.larrymite at gmail.com  Thu Aug 21 02:23:37 2014
From: andy.larrymite at gmail.com (Andrew Jones)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:23:37 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] We're after a python automation tester
Message-ID: <CAEcAUyxUgc=w0hYATjw=vDOiiHfteBmVtqkQTEMci2RYBa3ZVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All, our team is after a python automation tester. We're a mature agile
team that has a really fun team culture. Our tech stack is:

python, django, angular.js, flask, postgresql, selenium and linux.

This role would also suite a developer who's interested in learning new
skills
and working in the agile testing space.

More details here:

http://www.seek.com.au/job/27115990?tracking=JMC-0000787

Cheers
Andy
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From tom at eastman.net.nz  Thu Aug 21 02:17:45 2014
From: tom at eastman.net.nz (Tom Eastman)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 12:17:45 +1200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Kiwi PyCon 2014: Last chance for our accommodation
	block booking!
Message-ID: <53F53AA9.1030201@eastman.net.nz>

Move fast! Today and tomorrow might be your last chance to take
advantage of the deals being offered on the Kiwi PyCon 2014 Acommodation
page for both the Brentwood Hotel and for the Angus Inn Hotel.

Kiwi PyCon 2014 is being held in Newtown, Wellington on the weekend of
12-14 September. Accommodation in Wellington is a little tight that
weekend because of the All Blacks vs South Africa game being held on the
Saturday night.

So: if you already have accommodation for Kiwi PyCon sorted out, then no
worries! But if you want to take advantage of the guaranteed
availability of the rooms at the Brentwood or the Angus Inn, you should
book today or tomorrow at the latest to be sure.

After that, the rooms will still be available, but they won't be held in
reserve for Kiwi PyCon anymore and they might start getting snapped up
by non-Pythonistas!

Cheers!

Tom, on behalf of the New Zealand Python User Group and Kiwi PyCon 2014






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From tom at eastman.net.nz  Fri Aug 22 07:04:34 2014
From: tom at eastman.net.nz (Tom Eastman)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:04:34 +1200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Kiwi PyCon 2014: Last chance for our accommodation
	block booking!
Message-ID: <53F6CF62.1030608@eastman.net.nz>

Today is the FINAL day for potential attendees to apply for financial
aid for Kiwi PyCon 2014. In addition, today is the last day that we can
hold onto the reserved accommodation booking at the Brentwood Hotel and
at the Angus Inn Hotel in Lower Hutt.

Help us out and spread the word if you can -- if you already have
accommodation sorted, that's fine, and if you already have everything
sorted and you're not interested in financial assistance, that's great!

However, we'd be heartbroken either of the above were not true and the
only reason you didn't get it sorted today was because you didn't know
today was the deadline!

So: Head over to our financial aid page and send us an email before
midnight tonight! The Kiwi PyCon 2014 team are going to be considering
applications early tomorrow morning (no Saturday sleep-ins for us till
the conference is done!) so this deadline is not theoretical. If we
don't have your application, you will miss out!

   http://kiwi.pycon.org/financial-aid/

Likewise: If you don't have accommodation for the conference, tomorrow
we have to call our hotels and release the block booking -- at that
point all the leftover rooms at both locations will be open to
reservations from the general public and might end up getting snapped
up. So get in quick and give them a call today!

    http://kiwi.pycon.org/accommodation/

Cheers!

	Tom


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From tom at eastman.net.nz  Sat Aug 23 04:51:25 2014
From: tom at eastman.net.nz (Tom Eastman)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:51:25 +1200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Kiwi PyCon 2014: Call for volunteers
Message-ID: <53F801AD.70108@eastman.net.nz>

A conference can't happen without a team of volunteers dedicated to
making it the very best it can be. We want your help!

Kiwi PyCon is completely a volunteer-run event. Without a dedicated team
there's just no way it could happen at all.

If you're prepared to give some of your time to helping us run the best
Kiwi PyCon yet, we'd like you to register your interest using this form.

> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1x7DhUapv0MN6uLkhxMPWnVD8o9AMBepFPhXozNTY-iQ/viewform

Whether you think you can help us lug some equipment around, or you want
to help staff the registration desk or host one of the conference
streams, or anything else, we want to hear from you!

Cheers!

	Tom

--
http://kiwi.pycon.org/blog/2014/08/23/call-for-volunteers/


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From javier at candeira.com  Sat Aug 23 12:26:08 2014
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 20:26:08 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Paging Ryan "Next Day Video" Verner
Message-ID: <CAKADsbe8qi45sXmdHcR7a9q9oZEHDG0_K=4F79F+O0RbcsDqgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ryan,

I think you're on the MPUG list. I have an old email of yours, but I don't
know if you still read it.

In any case, hi Ryan, I'm looking for you!

(apologies everyone else, I didn't know how else to do this).

Javier
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From javier at candeira.com  Mon Aug 25 01:32:46 2014
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:32:46 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Paging Ryan "Next Day Video" Verner
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbe8qi45sXmdHcR7a9q9oZEHDG0_K=4F79F+O0RbcsDqgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKADsbe8qi45sXmdHcR7a9q9oZEHDG0_K=4F79F+O0RbcsDqgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbecxYE8=rsBEAF18V3M=kC6d=DGU=MDFz33RatZE=r6bQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to the two people and Ryan himself who answered privately.

Found!

J


On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com>
wrote:

> Hi Ryan,
>
> I think you're on the MPUG list. I have an old email of yours, but I don't
> know if you still read it.
>
> In any case, hi Ryan, I'm looking for you!
>
> (apologies everyone else, I didn't know how else to do this).
>
> Javier
>
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From tom at eastman.net.nz  Mon Aug 25 08:44:01 2014
From: tom at eastman.net.nz (Tom Eastman)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:44:01 +1200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Kiwi PyCon 2014: PyLadies lunch!
Message-ID: <53FADB31.9070001@eastman.net.nz>


If you've been to Kiwi PyCon[1] before, you know PyLadies[2] Breakfast
has been a regular event for us. This year, however, we'd like to try
something new - a lunch instead of a breakfast.

We're cordially inviting all woman-identified attendees of PyCon, and
their +1 of any gender to the first-ever PyLadies Luncheon on Saturday,
September 13th from 12:35pm.

This will be a free event, made possible by our wonderful sponsor
Catalyst[3]. It's a good way to socialise with other women attendees at
the conference.

We'll be hosting at Bebemos[4], a lovely Brazillian restaurant across
the street from the main conference center, and we'll be pre-ordering to
make sure you're back in time for the afternoon sessions. We'll announce
the menu shortly.

Spaces are limited! RSVP today!

Registration:

	https://www.eventbrite.co.nz/e/pyladies-lunch-at-kiwi-pycon-tickets-12768006451

Cheers!

Tom, on behalf of Kiwi PyCon 2014, the New Zealand Python User Group,
and PyLadies!

[1] http://kiwi.pycon.org/
[2] http://www.pyladies.com/
[3] http://www.catalyst.net.nz/
[4] http://bebemos.co.nz/


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From gaganjyoti at gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 08:43:38 2014
From: gaganjyoti at gmail.com (Gagan J Sharma)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 16:43:38 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Kiwi PyCon 2014: Call for volunteers
In-Reply-To: <53F801AD.70108@eastman.net.nz>
References: <53F801AD.70108@eastman.net.nz>
Message-ID: <726C6A28-9EC9-40B5-A950-DD8DED9FA487@gmail.com>

Hi Tom

Write down my name.. 

Regards
Gagan

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Aug 2014, at 12:51 pm, Tom Eastman <tom at eastman.net.nz> wrote:
> 
> A conference can't happen without a team of volunteers dedicated to
> making it the very best it can be. We want your help!
> 
> Kiwi PyCon is completely a volunteer-run event. Without a dedicated team
> there's just no way it could happen at all.
> 
> If you're prepared to give some of your time to helping us run the best
> Kiwi PyCon yet, we'd like you to register your interest using this form.
> 
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1x7DhUapv0MN6uLkhxMPWnVD8o9AMBepFPhXozNTY-iQ/viewform
> 
> Whether you think you can help us lug some equipment around, or you want
> to help staff the registration desk or host one of the conference
> streams, or anything else, we want to hear from you!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
>    Tom
> 
> --
> http://kiwi.pycon.org/blog/2014/08/23/call-for-volunteers/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
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From dcrisp at netspace.net.au  Wed Aug 27 07:22:06 2014
From: dcrisp at netspace.net.au (David Crisp)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:22:06 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCharm - Accidently enabled Unit Tests and cant
	turn off
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1408271518460.11601@Thor.home.gateway>

Hello,

I know a few people here use PyCharm so I am hopeing sombody can answer my 
question:

Somehow a little while ago I accidently enabled Unit Testing on my code 
and now every time I go to run my code it runs a unit test instead of just 
the code.

I have no idea what button I pressed and I cant find where to enable or 
disable it.

Unit Tests are now enabled by default in a new project.

This is doing my head in... HOW DO I DISABLE UNIT TESTS as a default

Regards,
David

From dcrisp at netspace.net.au  Wed Aug 27 07:27:37 2014
From: dcrisp at netspace.net.au (David Crisp)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:27:37 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCharm - Accidently enabled Unit Tests and
	cant turn off
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1408271518460.11601@Thor.home.gateway>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1408271518460.11601@Thor.home.gateway>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1408271526270.11841@Thor.home.gateway>

AHhh.. dont mind me!..

I named a Class Test.....   because I was trying to test a feature.

WHat does this do when you do it in pycharm!  thats right.  it kicks in 
the unit test feature..

I think.. when I renamed the class to a proper name the unit testing 
disapeared.

*waves fists at crazy design*


On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, David Crisp wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I know a few people here use PyCharm so I am hopeing sombody can answer my 
> question:
>
> Somehow a little while ago I accidently enabled Unit Testing on my code and 
> now every time I go to run my code it runs a unit test instead of just the 
> code.
>
> I have no idea what button I pressed and I cant find where to enable or 
> disable it.
>
> Unit Tests are now enabled by default in a new project.
>
> This is doing my head in... HOW DO I DISABLE UNIT TESTS as a default
>
> Regards,
> David
>

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From: tom at eastman.net.nz (Tom Eastman)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:48:38 +1200
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From krshackleton at gmail.com  Sun Aug 31 03:11:43 2014
From: krshackleton at gmail.com (Kevin Shackleton)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 09:11:43 +0800
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Rounded-value ticks on X axis
Message-ID: <CADr1vmToodDKQxYHGqcSM=0rNvgX-LieFBZRcvTCXR7XdJTVaw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

New to Melbourne PUG.  Fairly new to Python.

I have a script that interprets power levels at several automated surveying
total stations working at a site.  The idea is to show that the batteries
have enough amp-hours to see the total station through a run of cloudy
days.  After 2 or 3 years of battery life the battery amp-hour capacity
will have reduced to a point where the installation will run often out of
power before the solar panels kick in each morning.  In practice this is
often affected by 3rd parties hanging extra electrical load on our
installation.

The data looks like this:
2014-06-16T18:40:20,HUT1,56
2014-06-16T19:02:49,HUT2,15
2014-06-16T20:16:12,HUT1,58
2014-06-16T20:17:08,HUT2,11
2014-06-16T20:51:17,HUT1,67
2014-06-17T11:51:05,HUT1,100
2014-06-17T11:51:07,HUT2,48
2014-06-17T11:51:08,HUT3,57
where power level readings are coming from each of the huts (there are
actually 4 of them) at random times and with different data densities per
hut according to the cycle schedules.  The power levels are percent.  Some
total stations report in volts but that's another problem.

My script solution is:
import pandas as pd
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
df = pd.read_csv('Power_Log.csv',names=['DT','Station','Power'])
df2=df.groupby(['Station']) # set 'Station' as the data index
d = dict(iter(df2)) # make a dictionary including each station's data
for stn in d.keys():
    plt.figure() # creates a new plot canvas
    fig, ax = plt.subplots() # creates components of the plot
    ax.set_ylabel('Power (%)',fontsize=12)
    fig.subplots_adjust(bottom=0.15)
    d[stn].interpolate().plot(x='DT',y='Power',rot=15,title='Power Level: '
+ stn)
    ax.set_xlabel('Date-Time',fontsize=12)
    plt.savefig('Station_Power_' + stn + '.png')

Possibly a bit wasteful going from dataframe to dataframe to dictionary.

This code knocks out nice graphs, except for one thing - the x ticks are at
unrounded positions and therefore have long labels.

I'm getting nowhere with set_major_formatter and autofmt_xdate methods to
try to set the ticks to rounded days.

And brilliant ideas here?

Thanks,

Kevin.
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From anthony.briggs at gmail.com  Sun Aug 31 05:57:02 2014
From: anthony.briggs at gmail.com (Anthony Briggs)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:57:02 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Rounded-value ticks on X axis
In-Reply-To: <CADr1vmToodDKQxYHGqcSM=0rNvgX-LieFBZRcvTCXR7XdJTVaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADr1vmToodDKQxYHGqcSM=0rNvgX-LieFBZRcvTCXR7XdJTVaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO4-388RzeCnZ3cQfAn+ndv8iQc__6Snw8s2ZEdT5f4o6t10QA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kevin,

Looks like it's just pulling those keys from the data, so something to
convert those explicitly when you read it in would probably be the easiest
way. There might be something in the read_csv function to convert data from
a particular column, or you could try a dictionary comprehension per
station (something along the lines of station_data = {reading['DT'][:10]:
reading for reading in d[stn]}.

You seem to have a lot of values for the same day though, so you'd either
want to grab just the minimum, or do some sort of formatting in matplotlib.

Another method would be to find the minimum value (or minimum 3) for a
station and just report a warning if it's below a certain amount, rather
than a graph which someone has to interpret.

Final point - having a lot of one and two character variables makes it
really hard to tell what your script is doing.

Hope that helps,

Anthony



On 31 August 2014 11:11, Kevin Shackleton <krshackleton at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> New to Melbourne PUG.  Fairly new to Python.
>
> I have a script that interprets power levels at several automated
> surveying total stations working at a site.  The idea is to show that the
> batteries have enough amp-hours to see the total station through a run of
> cloudy days.  After 2 or 3 years of battery life the battery amp-hour
> capacity will have reduced to a point where the installation will run often
> out of power before the solar panels kick in each morning.  In practice
> this is often affected by 3rd parties hanging extra electrical load on our
> installation.
>
> The data looks like this:
> 2014-06-16T18:40:20,HUT1,56
> 2014-06-16T19:02:49,HUT2,15
> 2014-06-16T20:16:12,HUT1,58
> 2014-06-16T20:17:08,HUT2,11
> 2014-06-16T20:51:17,HUT1,67
> 2014-06-17T11:51:05,HUT1,100
> 2014-06-17T11:51:07,HUT2,48
> 2014-06-17T11:51:08,HUT3,57
> where power level readings are coming from each of the huts (there are
> actually 4 of them) at random times and with different data densities per
> hut according to the cycle schedules.  The power levels are percent.  Some
> total stations report in volts but that's another problem.
>
> My script solution is:
> import pandas as pd
> import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
> df = pd.read_csv('Power_Log.csv',names=['DT','Station','Power'])
> df2=df.groupby(['Station']) # set 'Station' as the data index
> d = dict(iter(df2)) # make a dictionary including each station's data
> for stn in d.keys():
>     plt.figure() # creates a new plot canvas
>     fig, ax = plt.subplots() # creates components of the plot
>     ax.set_ylabel('Power (%)',fontsize=12)
>     fig.subplots_adjust(bottom=0.15)
>     d[stn].interpolate().plot(x='DT',y='Power',rot=15,title='Power Level:
> ' + stn)
>     ax.set_xlabel('Date-Time',fontsize=12)
>     plt.savefig('Station_Power_' + stn + '.png')
>
> Possibly a bit wasteful going from dataframe to dataframe to dictionary.
>
> This code knocks out nice graphs, except for one thing - the x ticks are
> at unrounded positions and therefore have long labels.
>
> I'm getting nowhere with set_major_formatter and autofmt_xdate methods to
> try to set the ticks to rounded days.
>
> And brilliant ideas here?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin.
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>
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From anthony.briggs at gmail.com  Sun Aug 31 06:01:02 2014
From: anthony.briggs at gmail.com (Anthony Briggs)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:01:02 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Rounded-value ticks on X axis
In-Reply-To: <CAO4-388RzeCnZ3cQfAn+ndv8iQc__6Snw8s2ZEdT5f4o6t10QA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADr1vmToodDKQxYHGqcSM=0rNvgX-LieFBZRcvTCXR7XdJTVaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAO4-388RzeCnZ3cQfAn+ndv8iQc__6Snw8s2ZEdT5f4o6t10QA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO4-38-b69usbmH4X9VuvkWAESOainuhZAX=Se73O+JFiMQfzg@mail.gmail.com>

Quick update: http://matplotlib.org/examples/api/date_demo.html and
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3677368/matplotlib-format-axis-offset-values-to-whole-numbers-or-specific-number
mention something called a Formatter. DateFormatter from the first link
looks like it should do what you're after (convert to a date rather than a
time).

Anthony

<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3677368/matplotlib-format-axis-offset-values-to-whole-numbers-or-specific-number>


On 31 August 2014 13:57, Anthony Briggs <anthony.briggs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
>
> Looks like it's just pulling those keys from the data, so something to
> convert those explicitly when you read it in would probably be the easiest
> way. There might be something in the read_csv function to convert data from
> a particular column, or you could try a dictionary comprehension per
> station (something along the lines of station_data = {reading['DT'][:10]:
> reading for reading in d[stn]}.
>
> You seem to have a lot of values for the same day though, so you'd either
> want to grab just the minimum, or do some sort of formatting in matplotlib.
>
> Another method would be to find the minimum value (or minimum 3) for a
> station and just report a warning if it's below a certain amount, rather
> than a graph which someone has to interpret.
>
> Final point - having a lot of one and two character variables makes it
> really hard to tell what your script is doing.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
> On 31 August 2014 11:11, Kevin Shackleton <krshackleton at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> New to Melbourne PUG.  Fairly new to Python.
>>
>> I have a script that interprets power levels at several automated
>> surveying total stations working at a site.  The idea is to show that the
>> batteries have enough amp-hours to see the total station through a run of
>> cloudy days.  After 2 or 3 years of battery life the battery amp-hour
>> capacity will have reduced to a point where the installation will run often
>> out of power before the solar panels kick in each morning.  In practice
>> this is often affected by 3rd parties hanging extra electrical load on our
>> installation.
>>
>> The data looks like this:
>> 2014-06-16T18:40:20,HUT1,56
>> 2014-06-16T19:02:49,HUT2,15
>> 2014-06-16T20:16:12,HUT1,58
>> 2014-06-16T20:17:08,HUT2,11
>> 2014-06-16T20:51:17,HUT1,67
>> 2014-06-17T11:51:05,HUT1,100
>> 2014-06-17T11:51:07,HUT2,48
>> 2014-06-17T11:51:08,HUT3,57
>> where power level readings are coming from each of the huts (there are
>> actually 4 of them) at random times and with different data densities per
>> hut according to the cycle schedules.  The power levels are percent.  Some
>> total stations report in volts but that's another problem.
>>
>> My script solution is:
>> import pandas as pd
>> import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
>> df = pd.read_csv('Power_Log.csv',names=['DT','Station','Power'])
>> df2=df.groupby(['Station']) # set 'Station' as the data index
>> d = dict(iter(df2)) # make a dictionary including each station's data
>> for stn in d.keys():
>>     plt.figure() # creates a new plot canvas
>>     fig, ax = plt.subplots() # creates components of the plot
>>     ax.set_ylabel('Power (%)',fontsize=12)
>>     fig.subplots_adjust(bottom=0.15)
>>     d[stn].interpolate().plot(x='DT',y='Power',rot=15,title='Power Level:
>> ' + stn)
>>     ax.set_xlabel('Date-Time',fontsize=12)
>>     plt.savefig('Station_Power_' + stn + '.png')
>>
>> Possibly a bit wasteful going from dataframe to dataframe to dictionary.
>>
>> This code knocks out nice graphs, except for one thing - the x ticks are
>> at unrounded positions and therefore have long labels.
>>
>> I'm getting nowhere with set_major_formatter and autofmt_xdate methods to
>> try to set the ticks to rounded days.
>>
>> And brilliant ideas here?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kevin.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>>
>
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From tom at eastman.net.nz  Sun Aug 31 07:34:46 2014
From: tom at eastman.net.nz (Tom Eastman)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 17:34:46 +1200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Kiwi PyCon 2014: T-Shirt order happens tomorrow!
Message-ID: <5402B3F6.501@eastman.net.nz>

Hope everyone has had a beautiful weekend!

We're in the final days of conference prep here in Wellington. The 
T-Shirt order happens tomorrow afternoon.

What that means is: Today and tomorrow morning are your last chances 
toregister for Kiwi PyCon and be absolutely sure that you'll be getting 
a T-Shirt in your size.

After that, of course you can still register, but we might not get 
another chance to refine the T-Shirt order, so you might be caught 
having to wear something baggy!

While you're at it, don't forget to register for the Saturday night dinner!

	http://kiwi.pycon.org/registration/

	http://kiwi.pycon.org/events/saturday-dinner/

We don't want anyone to miss out! Please don't delay!

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From javier at candeira.com  Sun Aug 31 10:06:42 2014
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 18:06:42 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] 1 September, 6pm,
 MPUG@Inspire9: Behaviour Driven Development, Machine Learning in the Cloud.
Message-ID: <CAKADsbd1KBvY+kKk7sojZZF5S0hBBBF=PTtYRpSwxQB1Sj1i7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Melbourne Pythonistas,

Tomorrow, Monday 1 September, we'll hold the September meeting of the
Melbourne Python Users Group!

Time: 6PM
Venue: Inspire 9: Level 1, 41 Stewart Street, Richmond. 50m from
Richmond Train Station.

Program:

25 minute talks

* Javier Candeira -- What's new in Python, September Edition.

* Jason King -- BDD using Behave with Selenium (the web browser
automation tool, not the heavy metal)

* Andy Kitchen -- Pattern Recognition: Machine Learning on GPUs in the
Cloud (the buzzwords are also interesting: Andy uses Bolzmann Machines
with Theano and AWS)

::

As usual, we'll order pizza, with a $10 contribution required. Drinks
are BYO, but you're invited to bring a six-pack to share if you want!

If you'd like to give the What's New in Python talk in a future
session, you have a cool project you want to show, or you want to give
a short presentation on a library you've been using lately, please
just come forward during the meeting.

With many thanks to Planet Innovation for sponsoring our use of the venue,

The MPUG organisers

From krshackleton at gmail.com  Sun Aug 31 06:15:56 2014
From: krshackleton at gmail.com (Kevin Shackleton)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:15:56 +0800
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Rounded-value ticks on X axis
In-Reply-To: <CAO4-388RzeCnZ3cQfAn+ndv8iQc__6Snw8s2ZEdT5f4o6t10QA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADr1vmToodDKQxYHGqcSM=0rNvgX-LieFBZRcvTCXR7XdJTVaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAO4-388RzeCnZ3cQfAn+ndv8iQc__6Snw8s2ZEdT5f4o6t10QA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADr1vmSrXPWkMR7k2UQ=vKi+sPaTu+_8r6RqGreAuej22jK12w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Anthony,

Plotting all the data allows you to see the rate of fall of voltage ("%
power"), so I'm quite happy with the approach, rather than looking at
minima.  Similarly, I found that using interpolate.plot gave the best
looking curves

I agree about the short variable names - I was sticking with the textbooks
on that but I should break free and use more descriptive names.

Thanks for the references, I'll follow up on them.

Regards,

Kevin.


On 31 August 2014 11:57, Anthony Briggs <anthony.briggs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
>
> Looks like it's just pulling those keys from the data, so something to
> convert those explicitly when you read it in would probably be the easiest
> way. There might be something in the read_csv function to convert data from
> a particular column, or you could try a dictionary comprehension per
> station (something along the lines of station_data = {reading['DT'][:10]:
> reading for reading in d[stn]}.
>
> You seem to have a lot of values for the same day though, so you'd either
> want to grab just the minimum, or do some sort of formatting in matplotlib.
>
> Another method would be to find the minimum value (or minimum 3) for a
> station and just report a warning if it's below a certain amount, rather
> than a graph which someone has to interpret.
>
> Final point - having a lot of one and two character variables makes it
> really hard to tell what your script is doing.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
> On 31 August 2014 11:11, Kevin Shackleton <krshackleton at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> New to Melbourne PUG.  Fairly new to Python.
>>
>> I have a script that interprets power levels at several automated
>> surveying total stations working at a site.  The idea is to show that the
>> batteries have enough amp-hours to see the total station through a run of
>> cloudy days.  After 2 or 3 years of battery life the battery amp-hour
>> capacity will have reduced to a point where the installation will run often
>> out of power before the solar panels kick in each morning.  In practice
>> this is often affected by 3rd parties hanging extra electrical load on our
>> installation.
>>
>> The data looks like this:
>> 2014-06-16T18:40:20,HUT1,56
>> 2014-06-16T19:02:49,HUT2,15
>> 2014-06-16T20:16:12,HUT1,58
>> 2014-06-16T20:17:08,HUT2,11
>> 2014-06-16T20:51:17,HUT1,67
>> 2014-06-17T11:51:05,HUT1,100
>> 2014-06-17T11:51:07,HUT2,48
>> 2014-06-17T11:51:08,HUT3,57
>> where power level readings are coming from each of the huts (there are
>> actually 4 of them) at random times and with different data densities per
>> hut according to the cycle schedules.  The power levels are percent.  Some
>> total stations report in volts but that's another problem.
>>
>> My script solution is:
>> import pandas as pd
>> import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
>> df = pd.read_csv('Power_Log.csv',names=['DT','Station','Power'])
>> df2=df.groupby(['Station']) # set 'Station' as the data index
>> d = dict(iter(df2)) # make a dictionary including each station's data
>> for stn in d.keys():
>>     plt.figure() # creates a new plot canvas
>>     fig, ax = plt.subplots() # creates components of the plot
>>     ax.set_ylabel('Power (%)',fontsize=12)
>>     fig.subplots_adjust(bottom=0.15)
>>     d[stn].interpolate().plot(x='DT',y='Power',rot=15,title='Power Level:
>> ' + stn)
>>     ax.set_xlabel('Date-Time',fontsize=12)
>>     plt.savefig('Station_Power_' + stn + '.png')
>>
>> Possibly a bit wasteful going from dataframe to dataframe to dictionary.
>>
>> This code knocks out nice graphs, except for one thing - the x ticks are
>> at unrounded positions and therefore have long labels.
>>
>> I'm getting nowhere with set_major_formatter and autofmt_xdate methods to
>> try to set the ticks to rounded days.
>>
>> And brilliant ideas here?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kevin.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>
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From krshackleton at gmail.com  Sun Aug 31 08:31:53 2014
From: krshackleton at gmail.com (Kevin Shackleton)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:31:53 +0800
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Rounded-value ticks on X axis
In-Reply-To: <CAO4-38-b69usbmH4X9VuvkWAESOainuhZAX=Se73O+JFiMQfzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADr1vmToodDKQxYHGqcSM=0rNvgX-LieFBZRcvTCXR7XdJTVaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAO4-388RzeCnZ3cQfAn+ndv8iQc__6Snw8s2ZEdT5f4o6t10QA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAO4-38-b69usbmH4X9VuvkWAESOainuhZAX=Se73O+JFiMQfzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADr1vmQAXm7uWOujqGevnCTraYDE7NDd3WiFbwYjRvu2gH5x7w@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately these matplotlib methods expect the data to be float, where
using pandas I am able to parse and handle the time series data as
datetime.  But graphing in pandas does not seem to inherit all the
matplotlib methods (I suppose that would be a mammoth task, including all
the method overlays).  I'm forming the opinion that I either do the job in
numpy/matplotlib with extra code to sculpt the exact format I want or I go
the concise and elegant pandas way and live with the loss of control of the
x axis.

Thanks,

Kevin


On 31 August 2014 12:01, Anthony Briggs <anthony.briggs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Quick update: http://matplotlib.org/examples/api/date_demo.html and
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3677368/matplotlib-format-axis-offset-values-to-whole-numbers-or-specific-number
> mention something called a Formatter. DateFormatter from the first link
> looks like it should do what you're after (convert to a date rather than a
> time).
>
> Anthony
>
>
> <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3677368/matplotlib-format-axis-offset-values-to-whole-numbers-or-specific-number>
>
>
> On 31 August 2014 13:57, Anthony Briggs <anthony.briggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> Looks like it's just pulling those keys from the data, so something to
>> convert those explicitly when you read it in would probably be the easiest
>> way. There might be something in the read_csv function to convert data from
>> a particular column, or you could try a dictionary comprehension per
>> station (something along the lines of station_data = {reading['DT'][:10]:
>> reading for reading in d[stn]}.
>>
>> You seem to have a lot of values for the same day though, so you'd either
>> want to grab just the minimum, or do some sort of formatting in matplotlib.
>>
>> Another method would be to find the minimum value (or minimum 3) for a
>> station and just report a warning if it's below a certain amount, rather
>> than a graph which someone has to interpret.
>>
>> Final point - having a lot of one and two character variables makes it
>> really hard to tell what your script is doing.
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 31 August 2014 11:11, Kevin Shackleton <krshackleton at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi,
>>>
>>> New to Melbourne PUG.  Fairly new to Python.
>>>
>>> I have a script that interprets power levels at several automated
>>> surveying total stations working at a site.  The idea is to show that the
>>> batteries have enough amp-hours to see the total station through a run of
>>> cloudy days.  After 2 or 3 years of battery life the battery amp-hour
>>> capacity will have reduced to a point where the installation will run often
>>> out of power before the solar panels kick in each morning.  In practice
>>> this is often affected by 3rd parties hanging extra electrical load on our
>>> installation.
>>>
>>> The data looks like this:
>>> 2014-06-16T18:40:20,HUT1,56
>>> 2014-06-16T19:02:49,HUT2,15
>>> 2014-06-16T20:16:12,HUT1,58
>>> 2014-06-16T20:17:08,HUT2,11
>>> 2014-06-16T20:51:17,HUT1,67
>>> 2014-06-17T11:51:05,HUT1,100
>>> 2014-06-17T11:51:07,HUT2,48
>>> 2014-06-17T11:51:08,HUT3,57
>>> where power level readings are coming from each of the huts (there are
>>> actually 4 of them) at random times and with different data densities per
>>> hut according to the cycle schedules.  The power levels are percent.  Some
>>> total stations report in volts but that's another problem.
>>>
>>> My script solution is:
>>> import pandas as pd
>>> import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
>>> df = pd.read_csv('Power_Log.csv',names=['DT','Station','Power'])
>>> df2=df.groupby(['Station']) # set 'Station' as the data index
>>> d = dict(iter(df2)) # make a dictionary including each station's data
>>> for stn in d.keys():
>>>     plt.figure() # creates a new plot canvas
>>>     fig, ax = plt.subplots() # creates components of the plot
>>>     ax.set_ylabel('Power (%)',fontsize=12)
>>>     fig.subplots_adjust(bottom=0.15)
>>>     d[stn].interpolate().plot(x='DT',y='Power',rot=15,title='Power
>>> Level: ' + stn)
>>>     ax.set_xlabel('Date-Time',fontsize=12)
>>>     plt.savefig('Station_Power_' + stn + '.png')
>>>
>>> Possibly a bit wasteful going from dataframe to dataframe to dictionary.
>>>
>>> This code knocks out nice graphs, except for one thing - the x ticks are
>>> at unrounded positions and therefore have long labels.
>>>
>>> I'm getting nowhere with set_major_formatter and autofmt_xdate methods
>>> to try to set the ticks to rounded days.
>>>
>>> And brilliant ideas here?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Kevin.
>>>
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>>
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