From javier at candeira.com  Sun Nov 11 14:14:59 2012
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 00:14:59 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] AWS in Sydney, and any user of Salt out there?
Message-ID: <CAKADsbfsOXa=MkXy-L4gGNA8BCrMyWZ00Poy_xL-7p1gpJoqWw@mail.gmail.com>

Less than a week since my cloud talk, and Amazon has already announced
a datacenter in Sydney:

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/11/10/0341251/amazon-to-launch-sydney-data-center

And a question for the list: I was planning to use Puppet with a touch
of Fabric to manage a number of servers, but I've just learnt about
Salt. Anybody out there is a Salt user and can share their experience
with it?

Thanks,

Javier

From benno at jeamland.net  Sun Nov 11 22:53:05 2012
From: benno at jeamland.net (Benno Rice)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 08:53:05 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] AWS in Sydney, and any user of Salt out there?
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbfsOXa=MkXy-L4gGNA8BCrMyWZ00Poy_xL-7p1gpJoqWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKADsbfsOXa=MkXy-L4gGNA8BCrMyWZ00Poy_xL-7p1gpJoqWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <06695B47-AAB9-410A-96C0-72DD934029BF@jeamland.net>

Another one to look at is Ansible. You really, really don't want to use its paramiko-based connection stuff if you're talking over any kind of latency though. Switch to "real" ssh and make sure ControlMaster/ControlPersist is enabled.

http://ansible.cc/

On 12/11/2012, at 12:14 AM, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com> wrote:

> Less than a week since my cloud talk, and Amazon has already announced
> a datacenter in Sydney:
> 
> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/11/10/0341251/amazon-to-launch-sydney-data-center
> 
> And a question for the list: I was planning to use Puppet with a touch
> of Fabric to manage a number of servers, but I've just learnt about
> Salt. Anybody out there is a Salt user and can share their experience
> with it?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Javier
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug

-- 
Benno Rice
benno at jeamland.net



From gcross at fastmail.fm  Mon Nov 12 04:19:57 2012
From: gcross at fastmail.fm (Graeme Cross)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:19:57 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] FWD: OSDClub meeting, Melbourne, 20th November
References: <07315B74-F0DB-46D6-AC83-27B62BBD6ACE@dd.com.au>
Message-ID: <1352690397.29602.140661152417581.1FD8FA5A@webmail.messagingengine.com>

FYI

----- Original message -----

                                               Please distribute widely

It's been a while since an OSDClub meeting, the language-agnostic talks
that were alternately hosted by Melbourne PM and phpMelb, and as this
month's phpMelb talks both meet the agnosticity test, we'd love to
extend the invite to all developers.

When? 20th Nov

Where? We?re kindly hosted by Inspire9, our lovely venue sponsors, so
join us at about 6.30pm at Level 1, 41 Stewart Street, Richmond.

Talk 1: Security, Privacy and Anonymity; When a Little Information
Becomes a Dangerous Thing by Ben Dechrai

Talk 2: An Exercise in Database Out-Scaling by Rick Giner

Afterwards: some question time for anyone to talk about whatever they
want to (group related) and then head off to a nearby venue for food (if
still being served) and drink.

Full announcement with synopses:
http://phpmelb.org/2012/11/08/20th-nov-osdclub-security-privacy-and-anonymity-database-out-scaling/

If you're on Facebook and don't mind making your attendance public
knowledge, please find the event which will appear at
http://phpmelb.org/facebook soon and mark yourself as coming, so we have
an idea of how many people to expect.

Look forward to seeing you there,
Ben

From javier at candeira.com  Mon Nov 12 14:33:09 2012
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:33:09 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] AWS in Sydney, and any user of Salt out there?
In-Reply-To: <06695B47-AAB9-410A-96C0-72DD934029BF@jeamland.net>
References: <CAKADsbfsOXa=MkXy-L4gGNA8BCrMyWZ00Poy_xL-7p1gpJoqWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<06695B47-AAB9-410A-96C0-72DD934029BF@jeamland.net>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbdTRo+1JtkiY8qzf=rQOC_rzjB4sEDA_M+jE1GziDT7CA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Benno Rice <benno at jeamland.net> wrote:
> Another one to look at is Ansible. You really, really don't want to use its paramiko-based connection stuff if you're talking over any kind of latency though. Switch to "real" ssh and make sure ControlMaster/ControlPersist is enabled.

Thanks. Ansible looks good, and it's good that it uses ssh for transport.

One of the factors that will influence our choice is how easy/simple
it is for the default system to go through a firewall. We'll have some
machines co-located with clients, in their internal networks, and
their IT depts are adamantly against anything beyond outgoing
http/https connections. One feels that they would be happy to stop
traffic accidents by not allowing cars on roads.

I guess we can run ssh on port 443 and pray they don't timeout long
connections. So Ansible would help here, though apparently it only
works by pushing.

Or we could run ssh on port 443, tunnel Salt's ZeroMQ connection over
that, and hope it's not too brittle; there are some recent threads
about connection woes on the Salt mailing list.

By the way, Martin Krafft (Debian Developer and overall smart person)
doesn't like Ansible too much. Here's his survey of the field. Spoiler
alert: he ended up picking Salt:

http://madduck.net/blog/2012.10.19:configuration-management/

Cheers,

J

From javier at candeira.com  Tue Nov 13 00:08:18 2012
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:08:18 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] AWS in Sydney, and any user of Salt out there?
In-Reply-To: <06695B47-AAB9-410A-96C0-72DD934029BF@jeamland.net>
References: <CAKADsbfsOXa=MkXy-L4gGNA8BCrMyWZ00Poy_xL-7p1gpJoqWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<06695B47-AAB9-410A-96C0-72DD934029BF@jeamland.net>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbf4u9cL0sO7r_XYCrrvCO+FNv1pLy3xnwXiJ=1A8SMcJA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Benno Rice <benno at jeamland.net> wrote:
> Another one to look at is Ansible. You really, really don't want to use its paramiko-based connection stuff if you're talking over any kind of latency though. Switch to "real" ssh and make sure ControlMaster/ControlPersist is enabled.

Thanks. Ansible looks good, and it's good that it uses ssh for transport.

One of the factors that will influence our choice is how easy/simple
it is for the default system to go through a firewall. We'll have some
machines co-located with clients, in their internal networks, and
their IT depts are adamantly against anything beyond outgoing
http/https connections. One feels that they would be happy to stop
traffic accidents by not allowing cars on roads.

I guess we can run ssh on port 443 and pray they don't timeout long
connections. So Ansible would help here, though apparently it only
works by pushing, so we would have to do reverse ssh.

Or we could run ssh on port 443, tunnel Salt's ZeroMQ connection over
that, and hope it's not too brittle; there are some recent threads
about connection woes on the Salt mailing list.

By the way, Martin Krafft (Debian Developer and overall smart person)
doesn't like Ansible too much. Here's his survey of the field. Spoiler
alert: he ended up picking Salt:

http://madduck.net/blog/2012.10.19:configuration-management/

Cheers,

J

From ed at pythoncharmers.com  Mon Nov 26 10:27:22 2012
From: ed at pythoncharmers.com (Ed Schofield)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:27:22 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next Python meetup - Christmas event!
Message-ID: <A446BFECE6D84643B044705FD2D0FBC4@pythoncharmers.com>

Hi everyone, 

The next Python user group meeting will be on Monday 3rd December. Come prepared for some Christmas cheer!

As usual we'll have some talks, but (who knows?) maybe even music, mulled wine and Santa hats :D

Nathan and I will give some demos of fancy image processing in Python (i.e. not PIL). We also still have slots open for other talks, so if you'd like to volunteer, just add your name to the wiki:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG

It would be great to get an idea of numbers, because the new meeting room isn't huge and mince pies are such a drawcard. So, if you're intending to come next Monday, please mark yourself as 'attending' here:

http://www.meetup.com/Melbourne-Python-Meetup-Group/

If you'd like to join our merry band organising the Christmas fun, email me. :)

Cheers,
    Ed


-- 
Dr. Edward Schofield
(M) +61 (0)405 676 229
Python Charmers
http://pythoncharmers.com

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From andrew at andrewspiers.net  Mon Nov 26 23:13:55 2012
From: andrew at andrewspiers.net (Andrew Spiers)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:13:55 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next Python meetup - Christmas event!
In-Reply-To: <A446BFECE6D84643B044705FD2D0FBC4@pythoncharmers.com>
References: <A446BFECE6D84643B044705FD2D0FBC4@pythoncharmers.com>
Message-ID: <CAFWUrX17R99APDoWQ3p8+LxX_dPOz6H86=SomS8+EdLoC93BNg@mail.gmail.com>

On 26 November 2012 20:27, Ed Schofield <ed at pythoncharmers.com> wrote:
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG
>
> It would be great to get an idea of numbers, because the new meeting room
> isn't huge

Hi Ed,
Just to confirm, is the meeting at Inspire9 on Monday?

From ed at pythoncharmers.com  Tue Nov 27 11:09:32 2012
From: ed at pythoncharmers.com (Ed Schofield)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:09:32 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next Python meetup - Christmas event!
In-Reply-To: <CAFWUrX17R99APDoWQ3p8+LxX_dPOz6H86=SomS8+EdLoC93BNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A446BFECE6D84643B044705FD2D0FBC4@pythoncharmers.com>
	<CAFWUrX17R99APDoWQ3p8+LxX_dPOz6H86=SomS8+EdLoC93BNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D36CE03EA484E4494BCB62991228893@pythoncharmers.com>



On Tuesday, 27 November 2012 at 9:13 AM, Andrew Spiers wrote:

> On 26 November 2012 20:27, Ed Schofield <ed at pythoncharmers.com (mailto:ed at pythoncharmers.com)> wrote:
> > It would be great to get an idea of numbers, because the new meeting room
> > isn't huge
> 
> 
> Hi Ed,
> Just to confirm, is the meeting at Inspire9 on Monday?


Yes, it's at Inspire9: Level 1, 41 Stewart Street, Richmond.

Cheers,
    Ed

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From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 01:32:21 2012
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:32:21 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next Python meetup - Christmas event!
In-Reply-To: <A446BFECE6D84643B044705FD2D0FBC4@pythoncharmers.com>
References: <A446BFECE6D84643B044705FD2D0FBC4@pythoncharmers.com>
Message-ID: <CAHrZfZBGTre2-X0taxCKahkq_tQDmWAqgjLF188E1W4wLyUV=w@mail.gmail.com>

Sadly I won't be able to make this final meeting of the year. Have a
great one and see you next year!

On 26 November 2012 20:27, Ed Schofield <ed at pythoncharmers.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> The next Python user group meeting will be on Monday 3rd December. Come
> prepared for some Christmas cheer!
>
> As usual we'll have some talks, but (who knows?) maybe even music, mulled
> wine and Santa hats :D
>
> Nathan and I will give some demos of fancy image processing in Python (i.e.
> not PIL). We also still have slots open for other talks, so if you'd like to
> volunteer, just add your name to the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG
>
> It would be great to get an idea of numbers, because the new meeting room
> isn't huge and mince pies are such a drawcard. So, if you're intending to
> come next Monday, please mark yourself as 'attending' here:
>
> http://www.meetup.com/Melbourne-Python-Meetup-Group/
>
> If you'd like to join our merry band organising the Christmas fun, email me.
> :)
>
> Cheers,
>     Ed
>
>
> --
> Dr. Edward Schofield
> (M) +61 (0)405 676 229
> Python Charmers
> http://pythoncharmers.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>

From rhydwyn.beta at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 03:02:06 2012
From: rhydwyn.beta at gmail.com (Rhydwyn beta)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:02:06 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next Python meetup - Christmas event!
In-Reply-To: <CAHrZfZBGTre2-X0taxCKahkq_tQDmWAqgjLF188E1W4wLyUV=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A446BFECE6D84643B044705FD2D0FBC4@pythoncharmers.com>
	<CAHrZfZBGTre2-X0taxCKahkq_tQDmWAqgjLF188E1W4wLyUV=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB9kKXrAJ6ogNe6KHS+i5=akfKm3n+_hRat9bn4LVUfCCU9fZA@mail.gmail.com>

Sadly I am also a no. Enjoy your chrismass-y goodness

Rhydwyn

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>wrote:

> Sadly I won't be able to make this final meeting of the year. Have a
> great one and see you next year!
>
> On 26 November 2012 20:27, Ed Schofield <ed at pythoncharmers.com> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > The next Python user group meeting will be on Monday 3rd December. Come
> > prepared for some Christmas cheer!
> >
> > As usual we'll have some talks, but (who knows?) maybe even music, mulled
> > wine and Santa hats :D
> >
> > Nathan and I will give some demos of fancy image processing in Python
> (i.e.
> > not PIL). We also still have slots open for other talks, so if you'd
> like to
> > volunteer, just add your name to the wiki:
> >
> > http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG
> >
> > It would be great to get an idea of numbers, because the new meeting room
> > isn't huge and mince pies are such a drawcard. So, if you're intending to
> > come next Monday, please mark yourself as 'attending' here:
> >
> > http://www.meetup.com/Melbourne-Python-Meetup-Group/
> >
> > If you'd like to join our merry band organising the Christmas fun, email
> me.
> > :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >     Ed
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Edward Schofield
> > (M) +61 (0)405 676 229
> > Python Charmers
> > http://pythoncharmers.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > melbourne-pug mailing list
> > melbourne-pug at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
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