From lex.lists at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 04:38:51 2012
From: lex.lists at gmail.com (Lex Hider)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:38:51 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Tonight's meetup.
Message-ID: <CALX3my=YMs_6XU=65SKiNe3Jhm5+N69vwGoE23Q0CO7QeyrHyA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I plan on turning up tonight. I did make it to a meeting about a year ago,
but haven't had a chance to make it to another until now.

I will have to head off early though, so apologies in advance if I have to
head out the door mid-talk.

See you all tonight,

Lex.
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From noonslists at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 07:52:17 2012
From: noonslists at gmail.com (Noon Silk)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:52:17 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] [Job], was: Re:  Tonight's meetup.
Message-ID: <CADt_azZASycPWKdM2kebMoONovRmBA2WTMo9Oxaj=47thkMkFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

 I'll be there as well! And just a note the company[1] I work for is
looking for someone to do a 2-ish month short python contract; so feel
free to ask me about it, if you're interested!

--
Noon

[1] http://www.biarri.com/


On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Lex Hider <lex.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I plan on turning up tonight. I did make it to a meeting about a year ago,
> but haven't had a chance to make it to another until now.
>
> I will have to head off early though, so apologies in advance if I have to
> head out the door mid-talk.
>
> See you all tonight,
>
> Lex.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug

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Fancy a quantum lunch? https://sites.google.com/site/quantumlunch/

"Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
of being this signature."

From brian at microcomaustralia.com.au  Tue Apr  3 01:24:19 2012
From: brian at microcomaustralia.com.au (Brian May)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:24:19 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] django-webs
Message-ID: <CAA0ZO6Dm-9D2Tw1MKjHXwijXTL+ZGUhKFUV_Tpv5K_Zv1yboFw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

In my talk last night I failed to give URLS, here they are:

django-webs:
https://github.com/brianmay/django-webs/

spud, photo database, using django-webs:
https://github.com/brianmay/spud/

lintory, inventory for computers, currently only used at VPAC:
https://github.com/VPAC/lintory

I have tried to list some of the questions people asked, here:
https://github.com/brianmay/django-webs/wiki
(later on I might move this to a FAQ page or something).

Thanks
-- 
Brian May <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>

From henry.walshaw at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 03:10:56 2012
From: henry.walshaw at gmail.com (Henry Walshaw)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:10:56 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Data Science Hackathon: Now part of Big Data Meetup
In-Reply-To: <647743812.1333407639825.JavaMail.nobody@james3.pvt.meetup.com>
References: <647743812.1333407639825.JavaMail.nobody@james3.pvt.meetup.com>
Message-ID: <CAFsDd-gC99s8+f_wihtv2JwThOitDNsXrH4jaH1BYLyrAQ0AwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Big Data Analytics Group in Melbourne and the Melbourne R Users Group are
running a Worlwide Data Hackathon event at the end of April (sorry - should
have bought this up last night at the PUG) as part of Big Data
Week<http://bigdataweek.com/>.
There are no restrictions on the tools that you can use (see the FAQ @
http://datascienceglobal.org/data-hackathon-faq/) so I figured some at the
PUG might be interested too.

The event is being held on April 28th from 9pm until April 29th at 9pm at
the York Butter Factory.

See the email below from Yuval (to the R Users Group) for some more
details, and if you're interested, sign up at *
http://melbourne.bigdataaustralia.com.au/events/58373732/*

Cheers,
-Henry

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We?ve decided to consolidate the RSVP process for this event with the Big
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Apologies for the inconvenience if you?ve already RSVPed, but you will need
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We?re consolidating because we?d like to build on the momentum that is
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If you?re still not sure whether to attend keep in mind that already around
25 people have joined up, including some very experienced R and data users
and miners, plus a few Kaggle winners. Being stuck together in a venue for
24 hours means that this is a unique opportunity for some hands-on learning
and knowledge sharing with like-minded people from various backgrounds and
varying levels of experience.

The venue itself,  the York Butter Factory, is ideal for this kind of
event.  It has wireless internet, plenty of desks, break-out areas, a
kitchen with basic facilities, and of course being in the CBD there are
plenty of shops, cafes etc nearby.

We?ll be connecting via a video link to the other Hackathon sites around
the world.

We?ll be providing prizes for the local winners.

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From brian at microcomaustralia.com.au  Tue Apr  3 04:05:36 2012
From: brian at microcomaustralia.com.au (Brian May)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:05:36 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python question
Message-ID: <CAA0ZO6DEN0=Pd5mfTt_b_LNpCjOtqC6fFvhiUx=hp5Ej7TG-6g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

The following code:

=== a ===
import b
import c
b.init()
print b.value
c.action()
=== end ===

=== b.py ===
value = None
def init():
    global value
    value = "something"
=== end ===

=== c.py ===
from b import value
import b

def action():
    print value
    print b.value
=== end ===

generates the following output:

=== output ===
something
None
something
=== end ===

Question: Why is the second line None, and not something? Then, why is
the third line something?

This is kind of confusing me.

I suspect it might be some sort of misunderstanding I have with
Python. However I can't think of what that might be. I would have
though "from b import value" and "import b" should give the same
results.

If I swap the order of "import c" and "b.init()" in a, then all the
results are something.

If I change the value in the line "value = None", then I get that
value instead of None on the 2nd line - is like I have two copies of
b.value.

Thanks
-- 
Brian May <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>

From noonslists at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 04:24:28 2012
From: noonslists at gmail.com (Noon Silk)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:24:28 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python question
In-Reply-To: <CAA0ZO6DEN0=Pd5mfTt_b_LNpCjOtqC6fFvhiUx=hp5Ej7TG-6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA0ZO6DEN0=Pd5mfTt_b_LNpCjOtqC6fFvhiUx=hp5Ej7TG-6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADt_azYvQEotpyvPvuv_=94wNmT76=k4hKLoKKWf9yG9xU4JDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Brian May asks:
> [...]
>
> Question: Why is the second line None, and not something? Then, why is
> the third line something?
>
> This is kind of confusing me.
>
> I suspect it might be some sort of misunderstanding I have with
> Python. However I can't think of what that might be. I would have
> though "from b import value" and "import b" should give the same
> results.

The "from" style will create local variables for each of the things
you import in that fashion:
http://docs.python.org/reference/simple_stmts.html#grammar-token-import_stmt

So yeah, you have two copies. I think what you'll notice also is that
swapping the order of b.init and import c works because *at the time
of import* the global "value" in b has the "something" value. I think
it'll be more clear if you note that subsequent changes to b.value and
value will be independent ...

Just consider that at the time of "from .. import ..." you get a copy
of whatever the global value is. In the first case, it's clearly None.
In the second case it's clearly something. This agrees with what you
see.



> If I swap the order of "import c" and "b.init()" in a, then all the
> results are something.
>
> If I change the value in the line "value = None", then I get that
> value instead of None on the 2nd line - is like I have two copies of
> b.value.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Brian May <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>

-- 
Noon Silk

Fancy a quantum lunch? https://sites.google.com/site/quantumlunch/

"Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
of being this signature."

From andrew.fort at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 04:25:37 2012
From: andrew.fort at gmail.com (Andreux Fort)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:25:37 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python question
In-Reply-To: <CAA0ZO6DEN0=Pd5mfTt_b_LNpCjOtqC6fFvhiUx=hp5Ej7TG-6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA0ZO6DEN0=Pd5mfTt_b_LNpCjOtqC6fFvhiUx=hp5Ej7TG-6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+e6ONxnzR63FdxhBBHt8FqJ_JYojmxhbp7WdAsuxMU=gYdZ-Q@mail.gmail.com>

short answer: python is "pass by reference to value", meaning you should
follow Google's style guide and only import packages or modules, never
things inside modules

When you do "from x import y", and then somewhere else update "x.y" (via
import x), you're updating two different variable references.
 On Apr 3, 2012 12:05 PM, "Brian May" <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The following code:
>
> === a ===
> import b
> import c
> b.init()
> print b.value
> c.action()
> === end ===
>
> === b.py ===
> value = None
> def init():
>    global value
>    value = "something"
> === end ===
>
> === c.py ===
> from b import value
> import b
>
> def action():
>    print value
>    print b.value
> === end ===
>
> generates the following output:
>
> === output ===
> something
> None
> something
> === end ===
>
> Question: Why is the second line None, and not something? Then, why is
> the third line something?
>
> This is kind of confusing me.
>
> I suspect it might be some sort of misunderstanding I have with
> Python. However I can't think of what that might be. I would have
> though "from b import value" and "import b" should give the same
> results.
>
> If I swap the order of "import c" and "b.init()" in a, then all the
> results are something.
>
> If I change the value in the line "value = None", then I get that
> value instead of None on the 2nd line - is like I have two copies of
> b.value.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Brian May <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
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From brian at microcomaustralia.com.au  Tue Apr  3 04:33:08 2012
From: brian at microcomaustralia.com.au (Brian May)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:33:08 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python question
In-Reply-To: <CADt_azYvQEotpyvPvuv_=94wNmT76=k4hKLoKKWf9yG9xU4JDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA0ZO6DEN0=Pd5mfTt_b_LNpCjOtqC6fFvhiUx=hp5Ej7TG-6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADt_azYvQEotpyvPvuv_=94wNmT76=k4hKLoKKWf9yG9xU4JDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA0ZO6Ae+ipVnA19NrPTxjn1FC8BQ5mMARXB38MAE-0xxiHXYw@mail.gmail.com>

On 3 April 2012 12:24, Noon Silk <noonslists at gmail.com> wrote:
> The "from" style will create local variables for each of the things
> you import in that fashion:
> http://docs.python.org/reference/simple_stmts.html#grammar-token-import_stmt

Interesting. Particularly as I copied this code from Django. Hmmm....
It works in Django, but only because the values don't change - not
sure this is a good assumption. Really.

Will have to be more careful about this in the future I think.

Thanks for the responses.
-- 
Brian May <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>

From andrew.fort at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 04:53:47 2012
From: andrew.fort at gmail.com (Andreux Fort)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:53:47 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python question
In-Reply-To: <CAA0ZO6Ae+ipVnA19NrPTxjn1FC8BQ5mMARXB38MAE-0xxiHXYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA0ZO6DEN0=Pd5mfTt_b_LNpCjOtqC6fFvhiUx=hp5Ej7TG-6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADt_azYvQEotpyvPvuv_=94wNmT76=k4hKLoKKWf9yG9xU4JDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yup, Django's style should not be emulated, to say the least.

The whole django.conf.settings module magic should be a good warning :)

If an import begins "from", it is either lazy or dangerous, potentially
both :/
On Apr 3, 2012 12:33 PM, "Brian May" <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au> wrote:

> On 3 April 2012 12:24, Noon Silk <noonslists at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The "from" style will create local variables for each of the things
> > you import in that fashion:
> >
> http://docs.python.org/reference/simple_stmts.html#grammar-token-import_stmt
>
> Interesting. Particularly as I copied this code from Django. Hmmm....
> It works in Django, but only because the values don't change - not
> sure this is a good assumption. Really.
>
> Will have to be more careful about this in the future I think.
>
> Thanks for the responses.
> --
> Brian May <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
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From william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 05:37:46 2012
From: william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com (William ML Leslie)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:37:46 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python question
In-Reply-To: <CA+e6ONxnzR63FdxhBBHt8FqJ_JYojmxhbp7WdAsuxMU=gYdZ-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA0ZO6DEN0=Pd5mfTt_b_LNpCjOtqC6fFvhiUx=hp5Ej7TG-6g@mail.gmail.com>
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On 3 April 2012 12:25, Andreux Fort <andrew.fort at gmail.com> wrote:
> short answer: python is "pass by reference to value", meaning you should
> follow Google's style guide and only import packages or modules, never
> things inside modules

Alternatively, don't rebind global names.  I can count the number of
times I've seen the global statement used in real code on the hand of
a yakuza.  If your module definitions are declarative, this should
never be an issue.

-- 
William Leslie

From andrew.fort at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 05:41:56 2012
From: andrew.fort at gmail.com (Andreux Fort)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:41:56 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python question
In-Reply-To: <CAHgd1hE_m3fL2ny+iKEH2H_w33G4e8ZnZkdLixzyt8aJy_DdZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA0ZO6DEN0=Pd5mfTt_b_LNpCjOtqC6fFvhiUx=hp5Ej7TG-6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+e6ONxnzR63FdxhBBHt8FqJ_JYojmxhbp7WdAsuxMU=gYdZ-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHgd1hE_m3fL2ny+iKEH2H_w33G4e8ZnZkdLixzyt8aJy_DdZg@mail.gmail.com>
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Agreed. The global keyword is never be needed in readable code. (Modules
are singletons, after all)
On Apr 3, 2012 1:37 PM, "William ML Leslie" <william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 3 April 2012 12:25, Andreux Fort <andrew.fort at gmail.com> wrote:
> > short answer: python is "pass by reference to value", meaning you should
> > follow Google's style guide and only import packages or modules, never
> > things inside modules
>
> Alternatively, don't rebind global names.  I can count the number of
> times I've seen the global statement used in real code on the hand of
> a yakuza.  If your module definitions are declarative, this should
> never be an issue.
>
> --
> William Leslie
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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From brian at microcomaustralia.com.au  Tue Apr  3 06:16:43 2012
From: brian at microcomaustralia.com.au (Brian May)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:16:43 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python question
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On 3 April 2012 13:41, Andreux Fort <andrew.fort at gmail.com> wrote:
> Agreed. The global keyword is never be needed in readable code. (Modules are
> singletons, after all)

In my case, I need my module to work both with Django, using Django
settings - and without Django using settings that are passed to the
module. The variables in question need to be global (I think) so that
the (optional) Django middleware layer can access them.

I have now uploaded the module in question to github -
https://github.com/VPAC/python-tldap - Fakes transaction support for
LDAP, by manually queuing and rolling back LDAP requests as required.
Designed so that Placard - our user management tool won't leave LDAP
database inconsistent with db database if an error occurs (the db
database supports transactions, but the LDAP doesn't). e.g. what
happens is that the operator tries to create a user, which creates an
LDAP entry then an error occurs. The db is rolled back, but the LDAP
entry still exists. The operator repeats the operation, and gets an
LDAP error that the entry already exists.

The optional middleware means that code doesn't have to be modified to
take advantage of this, all HTTP requests turn on transaction support.
-- 
Brian May <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>

From anthony.briggs at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 07:21:14 2012
From: anthony.briggs at gmail.com (Anthony Briggs)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:21:14 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python question
In-Reply-To: <CAA0ZO6DEN0=Pd5mfTt_b_LNpCjOtqC6fFvhiUx=hp5Ej7TG-6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA0ZO6DEN0=Pd5mfTt_b_LNpCjOtqC6fFvhiUx=hp5Ej7TG-6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO4-38-hwGGATVqd7bhMF6wst_H16m9csEWB9EwZWhqHDXemaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Stepping through this in a debugger (eg. Winpdb) might help you follow the
chain of cause and effect.

Anthony

On 3 April 2012 12:05, Brian May <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The following code:
>
> === a ===
> import b
> import c
> b.init()
> print b.value
> c.action()
> === end ===
>
> === b.py ===
> value = None
> def init():
>    global value
>    value = "something"
> === end ===
>
> === c.py ===
> from b import value
> import b
>
> def action():
>    print value
>    print b.value
> === end ===
>
> generates the following output:
>
> === output ===
> something
> None
> something
> === end ===
>
> Question: Why is the second line None, and not something? Then, why is
> the third line something?
>
> This is kind of confusing me.
>
> I suspect it might be some sort of misunderstanding I have with
> Python. However I can't think of what that might be. I would have
> though "from b import value" and "import b" should give the same
> results.
>
> If I swap the order of "import c" and "b.init()" in a, then all the
> results are something.
>
> If I change the value in the line "value = None", then I get that
> value instead of None on the 2nd line - is like I have two copies of
> b.value.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Brian May <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
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From liew_beng_keat at rp.edu.sg  Tue Apr  3 11:03:33 2012
From: liew_beng_keat at rp.edu.sg (Liew Beng Keat)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 17:03:33 +0800
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Calling for Proposals - PyCon APAC 2012 - Extended
	Deadline
Message-ID: <70C1A5315505C942A8274FCA16F363AF7266603988@STAFFMAIL1.rp.edu.sg>

This is the Final Call for Proposals for Presentations at PyCon APAC 2012, with the submission deadline extended to 15th April 2012.


Suitable topics include, but are not limited to :

*         Python in Education, Science and Maths

*         Web Programming (e.g Django, Pylons, Web2Py, TurboGears)

*         Business and Scientific Applications

*         Python Libraries and Extensions

*         Embedding and Extending Python

*         Game Programming

*         GUI Programming

*         Network Programming

*         Packaging Issues

*         Programming Tools

*         Project Best Practices

*         System Administration

*         Python Implementations: IronPython, Jython, PyPy and Stackless.
If you work with/in any of the above areas, we would love to hear from you. More details can be found at http://apac.pycon.org.
The extended submission deadline is the 15th 1st April 2012.

Regards
Liew Beng Keat
On behalf of PyCon APAC 2012

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From mydnite1 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 12:18:10 2012
From: mydnite1 at gmail.com (James Alford)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:18:10 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Anyone using couchdb or couchbase?
Message-ID: <CA+nj2Lamj+ACTF9DSyx9iLJHZk3xXCbGtEt_b4+Y5Pc31SikwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Is anyone using couchdb or couchbase on any work / personal projects?
I would like to know what your experiences were with either in
particular master-master replication.

I want to use a distributed database/data-store for an experimental
data crunching personal project that has full replication across all
nodes.  After evaluating both, couchdb looks to have the more mature
python libs and docs.  The couchbase-server and python-couchbase libs
are very easy to install but the python-couchbase docs are either
incomplete or out of sync with their development.

-- 
Regards

James Alford

email: ? ?mydnite1 at gmail.com
mobile: ?0419 883646
skype: ? james-p-alford

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From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Wed Apr 11 11:17:11 2012
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:17:11 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] [offtopic] buying advice on a macbook air
Message-ID: <CADhgxgdohRNDStX=dzd+kh4gcnhAfKuoWWTsYp+erCCyV3LK5w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I notice that a good number of mpug'ers have Apple computers, and I was
wondering how they go as Python development platforms. I'm considering
getting a Macbook Air for my next laptop. I want something I can hack on,
has a beautiful screen, which travels easily, but which I can also use in
front of the telly of an evening, or on a desk for a few hours. I've also
never owned an Apple, and I figure I need to try the third of the major
environments at some stage :).

So, some questions:
  -- Is the Macbook Air a nice laptop to use?
  -- Does OSX support development well for Python?
  -- What about other unix-like tools -- is there a decent C++ compiler,
standard linux libraries etc for me to be able to compile linux programs?
  -- If not, how does open source development happen on a mac? Is everyone
running linux inside a VM or what?
  -- How does it go with integration with MS office and Exchange (sigh)?
  -- What about other Apple laptops, is there a better choice?
  -- Is there anything I should watch out for when buying my first Apple?

I'm not in a particular rush, and the pundits seem to think there will be a
new model out later this year, so I might take my time before making a
purchase. But any and all advice would be much appreciated!

Thanks,
-Tennessee
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From mattbster at gmail.com  Wed Apr 11 11:48:07 2012
From: mattbster at gmail.com (mattb b)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:48:07 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] [offtopic] buying advice on a macbook air
In-Reply-To: <CADhgxgdohRNDStX=dzd+kh4gcnhAfKuoWWTsYp+erCCyV3LK5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADhgxgdohRNDStX=dzd+kh4gcnhAfKuoWWTsYp+erCCyV3LK5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFpxMb0+fN1EOp-82A7tR4P6h2YGbb4EY7okOgzZiqgJrAvAwA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Tennessee,

I run a MacBook pro and its great. Though I primarily use Ubuntu as osx has
quirks that don't fit me. Python comes standard and its a bit annoying
having to install xcode (~4GB) to simply get gcc.

I would like to point out though that the MacBook pro line is due for a
refresh later this month. Rumor has it they are to be liter and thinner
like the air and also boast very high Res screens like the ipad3. Rumors
they may be though but there is nothing worse than buying last weeks tech.

-matt
On Apr 11, 2012 7:17 PM, "Tennessee Leeuwenburg" <tleeuwenburg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I notice that a good number of mpug'ers have Apple computers, and I was
> wondering how they go as Python development platforms. I'm considering
> getting a Macbook Air for my next laptop. I want something I can hack on,
> has a beautiful screen, which travels easily, but which I can also use in
> front of the telly of an evening, or on a desk for a few hours. I've also
> never owned an Apple, and I figure I need to try the third of the major
> environments at some stage :).
>
> So, some questions:
>   -- Is the Macbook Air a nice laptop to use?
>   -- Does OSX support development well for Python?
>   -- What about other unix-like tools -- is there a decent C++ compiler,
> standard linux libraries etc for me to be able to compile linux programs?
>   -- If not, how does open source development happen on a mac? Is everyone
> running linux inside a VM or what?
>   -- How does it go with integration with MS office and Exchange (sigh)?
>   -- What about other Apple laptops, is there a better choice?
>   -- Is there anything I should watch out for when buying my first Apple?
>
> I'm not in a particular rush, and the pundits seem to think there will be
> a new model out later this year, so I might take my time before making a
> purchase. But any and all advice would be much appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> -Tennessee
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>
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From lstoll at lstoll.net  Wed Apr 11 12:05:35 2012
From: lstoll at lstoll.net (Lincoln Stoll)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:05:35 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] [offtopic] buying advice on a macbook air
In-Reply-To: <CADhgxgdohRNDStX=dzd+kh4gcnhAfKuoWWTsYp+erCCyV3LK5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADhgxgdohRNDStX=dzd+kh4gcnhAfKuoWWTsYp+erCCyV3LK5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ECD693D-4530-481C-938A-2153E61E5352@lstoll.net>

Inline.

On 11/04/2012, at 7:17 PM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I notice that a good number of mpug'ers have Apple computers, and I was wondering how they go as Python development platforms. I'm considering getting a Macbook Air for my next laptop. I want something I can hack on, has a beautiful screen, which travels easily, but which I can also use in front of the telly of an evening, or on a desk for a few hours. I've also never owned an Apple, and I figure I need to try the third of the major environments at some stage :). 
> 
> So, some questions:
>   -- Is the Macbook Air a nice laptop to use?

I find it a beautiful laptop to use - decent battery life, well made hardware, it just feels clean, well engineered and nice to use. On the OS X side, I find it a simple OS to work with, it basically gets out of my way and let's me get work done. On the portability side, I travel a lot and it's very easy to move around. Even small things like the compact power supply are a nice touch.

>   -- Does OSX support development well for Python?

Yes. I'm not a full time python expert, but it has first class python support. I build my own python with the info here: http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/starting/install/osx/ , and use virtualenv for everything.

>   -- What about other unix-like tools -- is there a decent C++ compiler, standard linux libraries etc for me to be able to compile linux programs?

Compilers aren't too big of an issue. You don't actually need to install the full XCode to get a compiler - you can download the 'Command line tools for XCode', ~170mb from http://connect.apple.com , free registration required. Apple are shifting towards LLVM over GCC, but I haven't found this to be an issue except with 

As for libraries, everything I've come across has been available for OS X - it's a pretty common Unix development platform these days.

>   -- If not, how does open source development happen on a mac? Is everyone running linux inside a VM or what?

I occasionally use Vagrant (http://vagrantup.com) to test against a 'production like' environment, but the vast majority (95%) of people I come across are using OS X natively.

>   -- How does it go with integration with MS office and Exchange (sigh)?

Surprisingly well - Provided you're talking to an Exchange 2007+ server, the built in Apple Mail/Calender/Address Book talk natively to the server, handling it very well. IMO it's the best Exchange experience. On the Office side you can purchase Office for Mac, which is compatible with PC office.

>   -- What about other Apple laptops, is there a better choice?

I'd say no. The Macbook Air, specifically the 13" version is the best machine I've ever owned.

>   -- Is there anything I should watch out for when buying my first Apple?

I've been using Apple for a while, so nothing I can think of. There isn't any tricky customizations required, it's pretty straight forward. If you tell them your a developer an ask nicely, you might be able to get a ~10% discount

> I'm not in a particular rush, and the pundits seem to think there will be a new model out later this year, so I might take my time before making a purchase. But any and all advice would be much appreciated!

The current model has been out since mid last year, so I'd expect a refresh in the near future. That said, there's nothing particulary lacking with the current version. I generally buy a new machine when it's required, it's not like it will change when a new one comes out.

- Linc
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From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 01:54:28 2012
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:54:28 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] [offtopic] buying advice on a macbook air
In-Reply-To: <9ECD693D-4530-481C-938A-2153E61E5352@lstoll.net>
References: <CADhgxgdohRNDStX=dzd+kh4gcnhAfKuoWWTsYp+erCCyV3LK5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<9ECD693D-4530-481C-938A-2153E61E5352@lstoll.net>
Message-ID: <CADhgxgeAcoMLdDgOphT_8coZikFkLNj_a9XYek_SCseO5Y6mpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Lincoln,

Thanks for the detailed reply. It is much appreciated. I feel much better
about buying one as a personal dev/hack environment as well as for a
general PC. Everyone is advising to wait until later in the year, so I
expect I will do so. Thanks again for giving so much detail.

Cheers,
-T

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Lincoln Stoll <lstoll at lstoll.net> wrote:

> Inline.
>
> On 11/04/2012, at 7:17 PM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I notice that a good number of mpug'ers have Apple computers, and I was
> wondering how they go as Python development platforms. I'm considering
> getting a Macbook Air for my next laptop. I want something I can hack on,
> has a beautiful screen, which travels easily, but which I can also use in
> front of the telly of an evening, or on a desk for a few hours. I've also
> never owned an Apple, and I figure I need to try the third of the major
> environments at some stage :).
> >
> > So, some questions:
> >   -- Is the Macbook Air a nice laptop to use?
>
> I find it a beautiful laptop to use - decent battery life, well made
> hardware, it just feels clean, well engineered and nice to use. On the OS X
> side, I find it a simple OS to work with, it basically gets out of my way
> and let's me get work done. On the portability side, I travel a lot and
> it's very easy to move around. Even small things like the compact power
> supply are a nice touch.
>
> >   -- Does OSX support development well for Python?
>
> Yes. I'm not a full time python expert, but it has first class python
> support. I build my own python with the info here:
> http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/starting/install/osx/ , and use
> virtualenv for everything.
>
> >   -- What about other unix-like tools -- is there a decent C++ compiler,
> standard linux libraries etc for me to be able to compile linux programs?
>
> Compilers aren't too big of an issue. You don't actually need to install
> the full XCode to get a compiler - you can download the 'Command line tools
> for XCode', ~170mb from http://connect.apple.com , free registration
> required. Apple are shifting towards LLVM over GCC, but I haven't found
> this to be an issue except with
>
> As for libraries, everything I've come across has been available for OS X
> - it's a pretty common Unix development platform these days.
>
> >   -- If not, how does open source development happen on a mac? Is
> everyone running linux inside a VM or what?
>
> I occasionally use Vagrant (http://vagrantup.com) to test against a
> 'production like' environment, but the vast majority (95%) of people I come
> across are using OS X natively.
>
> >   -- How does it go with integration with MS office and Exchange (sigh)?
>
> Surprisingly well - Provided you're talking to an Exchange 2007+ server,
> the built in Apple Mail/Calender/Address Book talk natively to the server,
> handling it very well. IMO it's the best Exchange experience. On the Office
> side you can purchase Office for Mac, which is compatible with PC office.
>
> >   -- What about other Apple laptops, is there a better choice?
>
> I'd say no. The Macbook Air, specifically the 13" version is the best
> machine I've ever owned.
>
> >   -- Is there anything I should watch out for when buying my first Apple?
>
> I've been using Apple for a while, so nothing I can think of. There isn't
> any tricky customizations required, it's pretty straight forward. If you
> tell them your a developer an ask nicely, you might be able to get a ~10%
> discount
>
> > I'm not in a particular rush, and the pundits seem to think there will
> be a new model out later this year, so I might take my time before making a
> purchase. But any and all advice would be much appreciated!
>
> The current model has been out since mid last year, so I'd expect a
> refresh in the near future. That said, there's nothing particulary lacking
> with the current version. I generally buy a new machine when it's required,
> it's not like it will change when a new one comes out.
>
> - Linc
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>


-- 
--------------------------------------------------
Tennessee Leeuwenburg
http://myownhat.blogspot.com/
"Don't believe everything you think"
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From lars at yencken.org  Wed Apr 11 13:57:04 2012
From: lars at yencken.org (Lars Yencken)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:57:04 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] [offtopic] buying advice on a macbook air
In-Reply-To: <9ECD693D-4530-481C-938A-2153E61E5352@lstoll.net>
References: <CADhgxgdohRNDStX=dzd+kh4gcnhAfKuoWWTsYp+erCCyV3LK5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<9ECD693D-4530-481C-938A-2153E61E5352@lstoll.net>
Message-ID: <CAFC4A57HfYM9-xQgHM1Qtpuq_Z_oUHWX_nhpnyGd14uRF0U4wA@mail.gmail.com>

Just chiming in with a few notes:

> So, some questions:
> >   -- Is the Macbook Air a nice laptop to use?
>

Macs in general are well built laptops. I use a Macbook Pro, a solid
machine, but several people I know have migrated from to the lighter
Macbook Airs, and none have complained. The only gripe I've had is that
when stressed, it can heat up uncomfortably on your lap. That's probably
the same for most laptops though.


> >   -- Does OSX support development well for Python?
>
>   -- What about other unix-like tools -- is there a decent C++ compiler,
> standard linux libraries etc for me to be able to compile linux programs?
>

OS X Lion has Python 2.7 built-in. Most people install their own though,
usually through one of the two prominent open source package managers you
can install after the fact: Homebrew and MacPorts. Homebrew builds the
minimum needed and is tightly integrated with the system, whereas MacPorts
is more isolated and installs a full unix subsystem in a prefix
(/opt/local).

Overall, there's very good coverage of open source packages. If you're
doing a lot of work in X11, that works too, but it doesn't feel native ?
you'll certainly notice the difference between open source tools with Mac
interfaces vs those that run in X11.

>   -- What about other Apple laptops, is there a better choice?
>

The MacBook Pro line at the 15" size supports i7 rather than i5 processors,
and a higher-dpi display upgrade is available. They're certainly heavier
though.


>  >   -- Is there anything I should watch out for when buying my first
> Apple?
>

Memory's not priced sensibly on the Apple store. Everyone I know buys their
laptop from Apple and then upgrades it with RAM from another seller at
better prices. This is also our practice at work.


> > I'm not in a particular rush, and the pundits seem to think there will
> be a new model out later this year, so I might take my time before making a
> purchase. But any and all advice would be much appreciated!
>

As these guys have mentioned, there's a good chance a newer model is coming
out. Since Apple doesn't give much warning, sites like Macrumour's buyer's
guide <http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/> show what normal time between new
models coming out is. Both Macbook Pro and Macbook Airs are "due" for a
refresh relatively soon.
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From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 01:59:01 2012
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:59:01 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] [offtopic] buying advice on a macbook air
In-Reply-To: <CAFC4A57HfYM9-xQgHM1Qtpuq_Z_oUHWX_nhpnyGd14uRF0U4wA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADhgxgdohRNDStX=dzd+kh4gcnhAfKuoWWTsYp+erCCyV3LK5w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADhgxgemy4d7gvSRNax1iAcbPa8jRAdc1fShFXS=Jv_bnVYA7w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Lars,

I read the Air doesn't have upgradeable RAM though, so I will probably just
pay the fortune required to get better capacity. My current laptop is
uncomfortable on my lap already. I don't think anyone has tried to really
tackle cooling in a way that doesn't leave the laptop a bit uncomfy after a
while. I just go with putting it on a book or other insulator, it's "okay".

I'm not fussed about the non-native feel, but it's good to know.

Thanks for the info.

Cheers,
-T

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Lars Yencken <lars at yencken.org> wrote:

> Just chiming in with a few notes:
>
> > So, some questions:
>> >   -- Is the Macbook Air a nice laptop to use?
>>
>
> Macs in general are well built laptops. I use a Macbook Pro, a solid
> machine, but several people I know have migrated from to the lighter
> Macbook Airs, and none have complained. The only gripe I've had is that
> when stressed, it can heat up uncomfortably on your lap. That's probably
> the same for most laptops though.
>
>
>> >   -- Does OSX support development well for Python?
>>
> >   -- What about other unix-like tools -- is there a decent C++ compiler,
>> standard linux libraries etc for me to be able to compile linux programs?
>>
>
> OS X Lion has Python 2.7 built-in. Most people install their own though,
> usually through one of the two prominent open source package managers you
> can install after the fact: Homebrew and MacPorts. Homebrew builds the
> minimum needed and is tightly integrated with the system, whereas MacPorts
> is more isolated and installs a full unix subsystem in a prefix
> (/opt/local).
>
> Overall, there's very good coverage of open source packages. If you're
> doing a lot of work in X11, that works too, but it doesn't feel native ?
> you'll certainly notice the difference between open source tools with Mac
> interfaces vs those that run in X11.
>
> >   -- What about other Apple laptops, is there a better choice?
>>
>
> The MacBook Pro line at the 15" size supports i7 rather than i5
> processors, and a higher-dpi display upgrade is available. They're
> certainly heavier though.
>
>
>>  >   -- Is there anything I should watch out for when buying my first
>> Apple?
>>
>
> Memory's not priced sensibly on the Apple store. Everyone I know buys
> their laptop from Apple and then upgrades it with RAM from another seller
> at better prices. This is also our practice at work.
>
>
>> > I'm not in a particular rush, and the pundits seem to think there will
>> be a new model out later this year, so I might take my time before making a
>> purchase. But any and all advice would be much appreciated!
>>
>
> As these guys have mentioned, there's a good chance a newer model is
> coming out. Since Apple doesn't give much warning, sites like Macrumour's
> buyer's guide <http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/> show what normal time
> between new models coming out is. Both Macbook Pro and Macbook Airs are
> "due" for a refresh relatively soon.
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>


-- 
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http://myownhat.blogspot.com/
"Don't believe everything you think"
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From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 08:18:39 2012
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:18:39 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python and drawing
Message-ID: <CADhgxgdsCSuxkXUjCcJp5PKCyfZTNhnFGQGPydCi8AvEB8nc+w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I want to know what the best tool for drawing in real-time is. i.e. I don't
want to create static images, but do something like draw to a canvas and
keep adding to it with the display updating in realtime. The options seem
endless -- pygame, pyglet, Tk canvas, QT canvas, maybe PyCairo can do it.
Is there a best choice? I want it to be a fast an inexpensive operation so
it doesn't slow the rest of my code down much.

Cheers,
-T
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From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 08:58:49 2012
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:58:49 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] pyglet seems pretty nice
Message-ID: <CADhgxgcP6TZw5rsDf6aGvV+uehBucy7Qd=j9VJDpSG8=vkfRag@mail.gmail.com>

I'm going with that for my drawing needs unless I hear otherwise :)

Cheers,
-T
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From schweitzer.ubiquitous at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 19:04:50 2012
From: schweitzer.ubiquitous at gmail.com (martin schweitzer)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:04:50 +0200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] [offtopic] buying advice on a macbook air
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Hi Tennessee

Sitting in sunny cape town typing on my iPhone  .  As someone who a long
time ago drank the apple coolade I am happy to recommend the air. However
python integration has not always been smooth. In particular, apple ships
with its own version of python - and in the past I've had to do quite a bit
of googling to set up certain things (eg. Scipy). When you get your shiny
new Air, consider installing Enthought.

Regards
Martin


On Thursday, April 12, 2012, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote:

> Thanks Lars,
>
> I read the Air doesn't have upgradeable RAM though, so I will probably
> just pay the fortune required to get better capacity. My current laptop is
> uncomfortable on my lap already. I don't think anyone has tried to really
> tackle cooling in a way that doesn't leave the laptop a bit uncomfy after a
> while. I just go with putting it on a book or other insulator, it's "okay".
>
> I'm not fussed about the non-native feel, but it's good to know.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Cheers,
> -T
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Lars Yencken <lars at yencken.org<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'lars at yencken.org');>
> > wrote:
>
>> Just chiming in with a few notes:
>>
>> > So, some questions:
>>> >   -- Is the Macbook Air a nice laptop to use?
>>>
>>
>> Macs in general are well built laptops. I use a Macbook Pro, a solid
>> machine, but several people I know have migrated from to the lighter
>> Macbook Airs, and none have complained. The only gripe I've had is that
>> when stressed, it can heat up uncomfortably on your lap. That's probably
>> the same for most laptops though.
>>
>>
>>> >   -- Does OSX support development well for Python?
>>>
>> >   -- What about other unix-like tools -- is there a decent C++
>>> compiler, standard linux libraries etc for me to be able to compile linux
>>> programs?
>>>
>>
>> OS X Lion has Python 2.7 built-in. Most people install their own though,
>> usually through one of the two prominent open source package managers you
>> can install after the fact: Homebrew and MacPorts. Homebrew builds the
>> minimum needed and is tightly integrated with the system, whereas MacPorts
>> is more isolated and installs a full unix subsystem in a prefix
>> (/opt/local).
>>
>> Overall, there's very good coverage of open source packages. If you're
>> doing a lot of work in X11, that works too, but it doesn't feel native ?
>> you'll certainly notice the difference between open source tools with Mac
>> interfaces vs those that run in X11.
>>
>> >   -- What about other Apple laptops, is there a better choice?
>>>
>>
>> The MacBook Pro line at the 15" size supports i7 rather than i5
>> processors, and a higher-dpi display upgrade is available. They're
>> certainly heavier though.
>>
>>
>>>  >   -- Is there anything I should watch out for when buying my first
>>> Apple?
>>>
>>
>> Memory's not priced sensibly on the Apple store. Everyone I know buys
>> their laptop from Apple and then upgrades it with RAM from another seller
>> at better prices. This is also our practice at work.
>>
>>
>>> > I'm not in a particular rush, and the pundits seem to think there will
>>> be a new model out later this year, so I might take my time before making a
>>> purchase. But any and all advice would be much appreciated!
>>>
>>
>> As these guys have mentioned, there's a good chance a newer model is
>> coming out. Since Apple doesn't give much warning, sites like Macrumour's
>> buyer's guide <http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/> show what normal time
>> between new models coming out is. Both Macbook Pro and Macbook Airs are
>> "due" for a refresh relatively soon.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> 'melbourne-pug at python.org');>
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> Tennessee Leeuwenburg
> http://myownhat.blogspot.com/
> "Don't believe everything you think"
>


-- 
Martin Schweitzer
Mobile: 0412 345 938
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From az at svilendobrev.com  Fri Apr 20 11:28:50 2012
From: az at svilendobrev.com (az)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:28:50 +0300
Subject: [melbourne-pug] g'day. looking to move to oz (again)
Message-ID: <20120420122850.4cb9dd35@del>

g'day pythoneers.

i'm this guy: www.svilendobrev.com
i'm 20+ years in software, 10+ pythoning, here there and everywhere.
somewhat of mentor, architect, DIY, python-evangelist, alternativity,
philosopher... crazy enough yeah. (see smok.sf.net. Or notionery.com.
or the cv)

and i'm looking to move again to oz (i'm citizen but left 10y ago).
so i'm looking for decent job... to allow me to settle, pull family
and all that. 
well, It has to be interesting and has future.

i'd appreciate if anyone can advice on what and where and how
should i approach. Or even whom. i havent decided on any city.
Probably within 2 weeks i'll be in oz, in person.

cv: www.svilendobrev.com/rabota/cv

ciao
svilen

From ed at pythoncharmers.com  Mon Apr 23 09:54:33 2012
From: ed at pythoncharmers.com (Ed Schofield)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:54:33 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Meetup venues: May @ Inspire9; August @ YBF
Message-ID: <D6A994CCDF074D608A91122BC1A09649@pythoncharmers.com>

Hi everyone,

At our last event I said that York Butter Factory had approached us offering to host some future meetups. They were also looking into the option of sponsoring drinks for us. So we will soon have the good fortune of having two great venue options available!

It turns out that YBF is not ready to offer a standing monthly sponsorship, but they have offered to host a one-off event in the future, and sponsor drinks / pizza for that event. Our existing pizza sponsorship from ekit will run out after the July meeting, so a good option for trying out YBF would be our August meetup (Monday 6th August). I'll keep you posted on whether they can confirm for that date.

Meanwhile, our friends at Inspire9 are still generously hosting our meetings until August (and probably after August too). That includes next month's meeting: Monday 6 May! :) Slots are still open for talks; if you'd like to volunteer, please add yourself to the wiki schedule here: 

http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG

Richard will be giving a talk on the "Zen of Python", a refresher of his talk at last year's PyConAU.

Cheers,
    Ed


-- 
Dr. Edward Schofield
Python Charmers
+61 (0)405 676 229
http://pythoncharmers.com

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From javier at candeira.com  Mon Apr 23 10:00:07 2012
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:00:07 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Meetup venues: May @ Inspire9; August @ YBF
In-Reply-To: <D6A994CCDF074D608A91122BC1A09649@pythoncharmers.com>
References: <D6A994CCDF074D608A91122BC1A09649@pythoncharmers.com>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbevycnKTKB+SXQgvjP2QYLV0QTHq2ofhztrpGFZbhY=ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Ed Schofield <ed at pythoncharmers.com> wrote:
> Meanwhile, our friends at Inspire9 are still generously hosting our meetings
> until August (and probably after August too). That includes next month's
> meeting: Monday 6 May! :) Slots are still open for talks; if you'd like to

Thanks, Ed, for the reminder, and thanks, Inspire9, for being so
awesome! (they are)

> http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG
>
> Richard will be giving a talk on the "Zen of Python", a refresher of his
> talk at last year's PyConAU.

I've been accessing Google Docs spreadsheets using a fantastic little
library called gspread (http://github.com/burnash/gspread). It would
make for a good 5 minute presentation. Or not, if people think that
the schedule is already full.

Cheers,

Javier

From hartror at gmail.com  Tue Apr 24 03:35:01 2012
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:35:01 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Meetup venues: May @ Inspire9; August @ YBF
In-Reply-To: <D6A994CCDF074D608A91122BC1A09649@pythoncharmers.com>
References: <D6A994CCDF074D608A91122BC1A09649@pythoncharmers.com>
Message-ID: <CADf+qJeCDOOUn4UoAqPbcjEfuX13qDmPzHNyVCikpYCyL5_BLw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Ed Schofield <ed at pythoncharmers.com> wrote:

> That includes next month's meeting: Monday 6 May! :)
>

Monday 7th of May I assume?

-- 
Rory Hart
http://www.roryhart.net
http://www.relishment.com
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From bruce at brucewang.net  Tue Apr 24 05:48:16 2012
From: bruce at brucewang.net (Bruce Wang)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:48:16 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Meetup venues: May @ Inspire9; August @ YBF
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbevycnKTKB+SXQgvjP2QYLV0QTHq2ofhztrpGFZbhY=ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D6A994CCDF074D608A91122BC1A09649@pythoncharmers.com>
	<CAKADsbevycnKTKB+SXQgvjP2QYLV0QTHq2ofhztrpGFZbhY=ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHRoHomLJSQBY9Ptbddcm1EJqYWyhxzNWt75iasixurxKAO9Ow@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com>wrote:

>
> I've been accessing Google Docs spreadsheets using a fantastic little
> library called gspread (http://github.com/burnash/gspread). It would
> make for a good 5 minute presentation. Or not, if people think that
> the schedule is already full.
>
>
Wow, gspread looks cool, thanks for sharing.

Cheers,
Bruce
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From az at svilendobrev.com  Tue Apr 24 18:21:45 2012
From: az at svilendobrev.com (svilen)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:21:45 +0300
Subject: [melbourne-pug] g'day. looking to move to oz (again)
In-Reply-To: <20120420122850.4cb9dd35@del>
References: <20120420122850.4cb9dd35@del>
Message-ID: <20120424192145.41b81562@svilendobrev.com>

update, i've made reservations to both Sydney and Melbourne, in both
cases 7th May early morning i'll be in one of them.. depends on where i
get more leads/chances. i've 3 days to decide..

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012
12:28:50 +0300 az <az at svilendobrev.com> wrote:

> g'day pythoneers.
> 
> i'm this guy: www.svilendobrev.com
> i'm 20+ years in software, 10+ pythoning, here there and everywhere.
> somewhat of mentor, architect, DIY, python-evangelist, alternativity,
> philosopher... crazy enough yeah. (see smok.sf.net. Or notionery.com.
> or the cv)
> 
> and i'm looking to move again to oz (i'm citizen but left 10y ago).
> so i'm looking for decent job... to allow me to settle, pull family
> and all that. 
> well, It has to be interesting and has future.
> 
> i'd appreciate if anyone can advice on what and where and how
> should i approach. Or even whom. i havent decided on any city.
> Probably within 2 weeks i'll be in oz, in person.
> 
> cv: www.svilendobrev.com/rabota/cv
> 
> ciao
> svilen

From nick.mellor.groups at pobox.com  Wed Apr 25 04:12:54 2012
From: nick.mellor.groups at pobox.com (Nick Mellor)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:12:54 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] g'day. looking to move to oz (again)
In-Reply-To: <20120424192145.41b81562@svilendobrev.com>
References: <20120420122850.4cb9dd35@del>
	<20120424192145.41b81562@svilendobrev.com>
Message-ID: <4F975DA6.3070709@pobox.com>

Hi Svilen,

Welcome (back) to Oz. When I was looking a couple of weeks ago the 
national broadband network (NBN) were looking for Pythonistas. Jobrapido 
has also found me a few leads.

I moved to Oz three years ago (with family) from the UK. I'm this guy:

http://www.back-pain-self-help.com/contact.html

I've worked in computing for 25 years. I discovered Python working on a 
Danish website in 2008 (http://www.behandlerlisten.dk)...and am just 
starting to develop small-scale Django apps as a sideline.

BW

Nick

On 25/04/2012 2:21 AM, svilen wrote:
> update, i've made reservations to both Sydney and Melbourne, in both
> cases 7th May early morning i'll be in one of them.. depends on where i
> get more leads/chances. i've 3 days to decide..
>
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012
> 12:28:50 +0300 az<az at svilendobrev.com>  wrote:
>
>> g'day pythoneers.
>>
>> i'm this guy: www.svilendobrev.com
>> i'm 20+ years in software, 10+ pythoning, here there and everywhere.
>> somewhat of mentor, architect, DIY, python-evangelist, alternativity,
>> philosopher... crazy enough yeah. (see smok.sf.net. Or notionery.com.
>> or the cv)
>>
>> and i'm looking to move again to oz (i'm citizen but left 10y ago).
>> so i'm looking for decent job... to allow me to settle, pull family
>> and all that.
>> well, It has to be interesting and has future.
>>
>> i'd appreciate if anyone can advice on what and where and how
>> should i approach. Or even whom. i havent decided on any city.
>> Probably within 2 weeks i'll be in oz, in person.
>>
>> cv: www.svilendobrev.com/rabota/cv
>>
>> ciao
>> svilen
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>


-- 

Logo 	Nick Mellor1300 485 114
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Villa Rosa, 5 Campbell Street, Newstead, VIC, 3462
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From ed at pythoncharmers.com  Thu Apr 26 01:16:22 2012
From: ed at pythoncharmers.com (Ed Schofield)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:16:22 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Meetup venues
In-Reply-To: <CAO4-38_v4BPoRDsaH=pyL_PCd3OMvrSyGqsAxrCGo5EM79Etqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D6A994CCDF074D608A91122BC1A09649@pythoncharmers.com>
	<CAO4-38_v4BPoRDsaH=pyL_PCd3OMvrSyGqsAxrCGo5EM79Etqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A501788BFF4C44B6B7100E646FF71E53@pythoncharmers.com>

Hi everyone, 

Anthony has drawn our attention to this article about York Butter Factory:

> http://www.startupsmart.com.au/technology/york-butter-factory-slammed-over-sexist-tweet/201204186030.html 

On the basis of this, I would definitely like for us to remain with Inspire9 as our venue for future Python meetups. Women should absolutely feel respected and valued in our community. The culture of Inspire9 definitely fosters this. Unless anyone objects, I will contact YBF and decline their offer to host our meetings there.

Best wishes,
    Ed


-- 
Dr. Edward Schofield
Python Charmers
+61 (0)405 676 229
http://pythoncharmers.com


Forwarded message:

> From: Anthony Briggs <anthony.briggs at gmail.com>
> To: Ed Schofield <ed at pythoncharmers.com>, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>, Tennessee Leeuwenburg <tleeuwenburg at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, 26 April 2012 8:50:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Meetup venues: May @ Inspire9; August @ YBF
> 
> So are we still going to YBF, given their "unfortunate" tweet?
> 
> http://www.startupsmart.com.au/technology/york-butter-factory-slammed-over-sexist-tweet/201204186030.html
> 
> Ant

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From secretelf77 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 02:00:43 2012
From: secretelf77 at gmail.com (Andrew Thornton)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:00:43 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Meetup venues
In-Reply-To: <A501788BFF4C44B6B7100E646FF71E53@pythoncharmers.com>
References: <D6A994CCDF074D608A91122BC1A09649@pythoncharmers.com>
	<CAO4-38_v4BPoRDsaH=pyL_PCd3OMvrSyGqsAxrCGo5EM79Etqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<A501788BFF4C44B6B7100E646FF71E53@pythoncharmers.com>
Message-ID: <4F98902B.4020108@gmail.com>


Worth mentioning as well that it's not just women who are driven away 
from the IT sector because of this culture. It's this sort of macho bro 
nonsense that puts me off IT, engineering and other fields. I'm sticking 
to graphics design  with IT as an add on.

It is beyond exaggeration how much damage such a tweet does to the 
entire IT/engineering industry.

Andrew




On 26/04/2012 9:16 AM, Ed Schofield wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Anthony has drawn our attention to this article about York Butter Factory:
>
>> http://www.startupsmart.com.au/technology/york-butter-factory-slammed-over-sexist-tweet/201204186030.html
>
> On the basis of this, I would definitely like for us to remain with 
> Inspire9 as our venue for future Python meetups. Women should 
> absolutely feel respected and valued in our community. The culture of 
> Inspire9 definitely fosters this. Unless anyone objects, I will 
> contact YBF and decline their offer to host our meetings there.
>
> Best wishes,
>     Ed
>
>
> -- 
> Dr. Edward Schofield
> Python Charmers
> +61 (0)405 676 229
> http://pythoncharmers.com
>
> Forwarded message:
>
>> *From:* Anthony Briggs <anthony.briggs at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Ed Schofield <ed at pythoncharmers.com>, Richard Jones 
>> <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>, Tennessee Leeuwenburg <tleeuwenburg at gmail.com>
>> *Date:* Thursday, 26 April 2012 8:50:24 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [melbourne-pug] Meetup venues: May @ Inspire9; August 
>> @ YBF
>>
>> So are we still going to YBF, given their "unfortunate" tweet?
>>
>> http://www.startupsmart.com.au/technology/york-butter-factory-slammed-over-sexist-tweet/201204186030.html
>>
>> Ant
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug

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From chrisjrn at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 02:06:31 2012
From: chrisjrn at gmail.com (Chris Neugebauer)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:06:31 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCon Australia 2012 Early Bird registration and
 Accommodation deals now available!
Message-ID: <CABRwemkotOQjxHP0Xpz-N5P1m_TDndYe-vtqhG--98nVKWn4Hg@mail.gmail.com>

tl;dr: PyCon Australia early bird registrations are now open! Find out
more at http://2012.pycon-au.org/register/prices, including details of
our accommodation programme.

PyCon Australia is excited to announce that early bird conference
registrations are now available for our 2012 conference, to be held on
Saturday 18 and Sunday 19 August in Hobart, Tasmania. Early bird
registration will be extended to the first 60 confirmed conference
registrations, or until Friday 1 June, whichever comes first.

PyCon Australia is the national conference for students, enthusiasts
and professionals working with the Python programming language; it
represents a unique opportunity for Python developers to meet fellow
developers, and gain knowledge from experts and core Python developers
from around Australia and the world. Securing your registration during
the early bird period ensures your place at all of the events that
PyCon Australia has to offer.

Early bird registration comes with a substantial discount for tickets
at our "Enthusiast" and "Professional" rates. Early bird tickets at
both the "Enthusiast" and "Professional" level are guaranteed a seat
at our conference dinner. All tickets include access to the CodeWars
event on Friday 17 August, and the post-conference sprints on Monday
20 and Tuesday 21 August.

Early bird registration starts at $44 for full-time students; $168 for
enthusiasts and $420 for professionals.

PyCon Australia has been working closely with our venue to provide a
great conference experience; we're very pleased to be able to offer
accommodation to delegates for the duration of the conference. We've
secured an allocation of rooms within the Wrest Point complex, many of
which are in the same building as the conference venue. Rooms
available to delegates start at $124 per night; rooms inside the
conference building start at $146 per night.

Information on conference registration, including details on how to
book delegate accommodation through our preferred provider can be
found at the PyCon Australia website (http://2012.pycon-au.org).

Our conference Call for Proposals is still open, and will close on Friday 4 May.

We can't wait to see you in Hobart in August!

About PyCon Australia

PyCon Australia is the national conference for the Python Programming
Community. The third PyCon Australia will be held on August 18 and 19,
2012 in Hobart, Tasmania, bringing together professional, student and
enthusiast developers with a love for developing with Python. PyCon
Australia informs the country?s Python developers with presentations,
tutorials and panel sessions by experts and core developers of Python,
as well as the libraries and frameworks that they rely on.

To find out more about PyCon Australia 2012, visit our website at
http://pycon-au.org or e-mail us at contact at pycon-au.org.

PyCon Australia is presented by Linux Australia (www.linux.org.au) and
acknowledges the support of our Gold sponsor, Google Australia
(www.google.com.au).


-- 
--Christopher Neugebauer
Conference Coordinator and Sponsor Liaison

PyCon Australia: Hobart 2012 -- http://2012.pycon-au.org -- @pyconau
Call for Proposals now open! Closes May 4.
Early bird registration and accommodation deals now available! See our
website for details.

Jabber: chrisjrn at gmail.com -- IRC: chrisjrn on irc.freenode.net --
WWW: http://chris.neugebauer.id.au -- Twitter/Identi.ca: @chrisjrn

From javier at candeira.com  Thu Apr 26 02:29:46 2012
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:29:46 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Meetup venues
In-Reply-To: <4F98902B.4020108@gmail.com>
References: <D6A994CCDF074D608A91122BC1A09649@pythoncharmers.com>
	<CAO4-38_v4BPoRDsaH=pyL_PCd3OMvrSyGqsAxrCGo5EM79Etqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<A501788BFF4C44B6B7100E646FF71E53@pythoncharmers.com>
	<4F98902B.4020108@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbdhLVMW2bqB2worUAC9kn-ek=_38soQ4RNN5UtjwtKwhQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was at the session co-hosted by YBF (though it was at Hub Melbourne)
just after that tweet. The organisers apologised and excluded the
culprit from the session.

I like staying at Inspire9, but I think punishing YBF for one idiot's
actions is overkill, especially when the idiot in question was quickly
disavowed and reprimanded. Spontaneous bad behaviour happens at the
individual level all the time, we have to punish or reward
institutions on the basis of their responses to that bad behaviour. In
my opinion, YBF responded adequately, so no punishment is due.

Having said that, I vote for staying at Inspire9 because they are my
friends and I like them.

My two cents,

Javier

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Andrew Thornton <secretelf77 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Worth mentioning as well that it's not just women who are driven away from
> the IT sector because of this culture. It's this sort of macho bro nonsense
> that puts me off IT, engineering and other fields. I'm sticking to graphics
> design? with IT as an add on.
>
> It is beyond exaggeration how much damage such a tweet does to the entire
> IT/engineering industry.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> On 26/04/2012 9:16 AM, Ed Schofield wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Anthony has drawn our attention to this article about York Butter Factory:
>
> http://www.startupsmart.com.au/technology/york-butter-factory-slammed-over-sexist-tweet/201204186030.html
>
>
> On the basis of this, I would definitely like for us to remain with Inspire9
> as our venue for future Python meetups. Women should absolutely feel
> respected and valued in our community. The culture of Inspire9 definitely
> fosters this. Unless anyone objects, I will contact YBF and decline their
> offer to host our meetings there.
>
> Best wishes,
> ? ? Ed
>
>
> --
> Dr. Edward Schofield
> Python Charmers
> +61 (0)405 676 229
> http://pythoncharmers.com
>
> Forwarded message:
>
> From: Anthony Briggs <anthony.briggs at gmail.com>
> To: Ed Schofield <ed at pythoncharmers.com>, Richard Jones
> <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>, Tennessee Leeuwenburg <tleeuwenburg at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, 26 April 2012 8:50:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Meetup venues: May @ Inspire9; August @ YBF
>
> So are we still going to YBF, given their "unfortunate" tweet?
>
> http://www.startupsmart.com.au/technology/york-butter-factory-slammed-over-sexist-tweet/201204186030.html
>
> Ant
>
>
>
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From ed at pythoncharmers.com  Thu Apr 26 02:59:00 2012
From: ed at pythoncharmers.com (Ed Schofield)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:59:00 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Meetup venues
In-Reply-To: <A501788BFF4C44B6B7100E646FF71E53@pythoncharmers.com>
References: <D6A994CCDF074D608A91122BC1A09649@pythoncharmers.com>
	<CAO4-38_v4BPoRDsaH=pyL_PCd3OMvrSyGqsAxrCGo5EM79Etqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<A501788BFF4C44B6B7100E646FF71E53@pythoncharmers.com>
Message-ID: <A48E3DADDD6C49949037E4097F795AF0@pythoncharmers.com>

Hi everyone,

I have talked to Stuart at York Butter Factory; as Javier says, they are taking full responsibility for this event. It does seem that YBF is genuinely trying to foster a supportive culture and (apart from this one tweet) doing a very good job of this. My last email was rash; I apologise to YBF if I appeared to undermine them; this wasn't my intention.

I would like to add that I am a member of YBF; I work there occasionally and I find it an inspiring environment to work in, with many great people, and I would recommend it to both men and women interested in a tech-focussed coworking space.

By way of counterbalance, at our next meeting I will talk about my (positive) experiences there. We could have an open discussion of whether it would be appropriate to host a one-off meeting there later in the year to introduce people to the space first-hand.

Best wishes,
    Ed




-- 
Dr. Edward Schofield
Python Charmers
+61 (0)405 676 229
http://pythoncharmers.com


On Thursday, 26 April 2012 at 9:16 AM, Ed Schofield wrote:

> Hi everyone, 
> 
> Anthony has drawn our attention to this article about York Butter Factory:
> 
> > http://www.startupsmart.com.au/technology/york-butter-factory-slammed-over-sexist-tweet/201204186030.html 
> 
> On the basis of this, I would definitely like for us to remain with Inspire9 as our venue for future Python meetups. Women should absolutely feel respected and valued in our community. The culture of Inspire9 definitely fosters this. Unless anyone objects, I will contact YBF and decline their offer to host our meetings there.
> 
> Best wishes,
>     Ed
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Edward Schofield
> Python Charmers
> +61 (0)405 676 229
> http://pythoncharmers.com
> 
> 
> Forwarded message:
> 
> > From: Anthony Briggs <anthony.briggs at gmail.com (mailto:anthony.briggs at gmail.com)>
> > To: Ed Schofield <ed at pythoncharmers.com (mailto:ed at pythoncharmers.com)>, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (mailto:r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com)>, Tennessee Leeuwenburg <tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (mailto:tleeuwenburg at gmail.com)>
> > Date: Thursday, 26 April 2012 8:50:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Meetup venues: May @ Inspire9; August @ YBF
> > 
> > So are we still going to YBF, given their "unfortunate" tweet?
> > 
> > http://www.startupsmart.com.au/technology/york-butter-factory-slammed-over-sexist-tweet/201204186030.html
> > 
> > Ant
> 

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From liew_beng_keat at rp.edu.sg  Thu Apr 26 05:38:14 2012
From: liew_beng_keat at rp.edu.sg (Liew Beng Keat)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:38:14 +0800
Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCon APAC 2012 : A Python Language Conference -
 Registration is Open!
Message-ID: <70C1A5315505C942A8274FCA16F363AF72666FE86D@STAFFMAIL1.rp.edu.sg>

Hi



PyCon APAC 2012, the Python language conference for the Asia Pacific, is back! It will be held from 7-9th June 2012 in Singapore.



We are expecting a great conference again. The highlights of the conference this year include :

*         3 prominent keynotes in the Python world in Alex Martelli, Anna Martelli Ravenscroft and Richard Jones.

*         30+ talks over 3 concurrent sessions on the latest developments of the language and the broad scope of real world projects that use Python.

*         9 tutorial sessions for learning new Python skills and other tips and tricks.

*         1 Python programming competition with attractive prizes to be won!

*         And 200+ programmers for some great networking



The list of all talks and tutorials at the conference are published at http://apac.pycon.org. And early bird registration for PyCon APAC 2012 is now open!





Conference Registration Rates



Early bird rates (Up to 15th May)

Individual SGD$200

Corporate SGD$250



Regular rates (16th May - 6th June)

Individual SGD$250

Corporate SGD$300



On-site rates (7th - 9th June)

Individual SGD$300

Corporate SGD$350



Student rates

Individual SGD$80.



Conference registration includes lunch and morning and afternoon break refreshments on the two conference days (Friday & Saturday).




Tutorial Registration Rates



Tutorials are SGD$75 each



Tutorial attendees who have signed up for 2 tutorials will be provided with lunch and break refreshments. Tutorials are charged separately from registration and do not include admission to the conference. Details of tutorials are found at http://apac.pycon.org/2012/w/page/tutorials








So register early! We look forward to seeing you at PyCon APAC 2012 in June!



Sincerely

Beng Keat

On behalf of Organizing Committee of PyCon APAC 2012



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From javier at candeira.com  Sat Apr 28 04:07:45 2012
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:07:45 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Textbook on algorithms and data structures in
	Python?
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbeoZB4KY8zG0yykpbEkUeMotQMjOhFyy4wJ=Pu4OJorUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKADsbfnaXiS8XQyjd_Xxry3xwu6GpzLedXXzGDYER1iZwiRuA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAKADsbeoZB4KY8zG0yykpbEkUeMotQMjOhFyy4wJ=Pu4OJorUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbe_eH9nkf38gnBkyr81VM4Lw+bLnDt87DO=33Ep_inoVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Tennessee,

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg
> <tleeuwenburg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I haven't read any of them, but I'd be super-interested to hear any reviews!
> I wonder if there is anything in those books about data structures suited to
> parallel processing.

Not an algorithms textbook, but apparently Beazley's Python Essential
Reference has a good section on concurrence, maybe it touches on data
structures for parallelism. From Alex Gaynor's review:

"The first instance of this is the chapter on concurrency. I've done
some concurrent programming with Python, but it's mostly been small
scripts, a multiprocess and multithreaded web scraper for example, so
I'm familiar with the basic APIs for threading and multiprocessing.
However, this chapter goes into the full details, really covering the
stuff you need to know if you want to build bigger applications that
leverage these techniques. Things like shared data for processes or
events and condition variables for threads and the kind of things that
the book gives a good explanation of, as well as good examples of how
to use them."

-- http://lazypython.blogspot.com/2009/11/final-review-of-python-essential.html

Cheers,

J

From chrisjrn at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 01:44:30 2012
From: chrisjrn at gmail.com (Chris Neugebauer)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:44:30 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCon Australia 2012's Call for Proposals closes
	this week!
Message-ID: <CABRwem=UtJGq1nhiDGwGdhosTboh_kGu28J3=DkjikM_M2Z2cQ@mail.gmail.com>

This week marks your last opportunity to submit proposals to present
at PyCon Australia 2012, the national conference for the Python
programming community, to be held on August 18 and 19 in Hobart,
Tasmania.

The deadline for proposal submission is Friday May 4, 2012, and more
information can be found at http://pycon-au.org/cfp

PyCon Australia is an excellent opportunity to share experience and
knowledge with like-minded Python developers from all walks of life --
we attract professional developers from industry, government, science
and education, along with enthusiast and student developers.
Presentations can be targeted at all skill levels, on any topic
related to Python programming.

If you're a first-time developer, don't be afraid to submit a
presentation -- we're a community-driven conference, and we have a
focus on building the next generation of Python programmers.

Don't know what to present about? PyCon Australia co-organiser,
Christopher Neugebauer recently listed the results of PyCon Australia
2012's Call for Topics on his blog [1]; we'd love it if you used these
suggestions to help shape your submission.

We can't wait to see your proposals.

[1] http://chris.neugebauer.id.au/2012/03/03/speak-at-pycon-australia-2012/


=== About PyCon Australia ===

PyCon Australia is the national conference for the Python Programming
Community. The third PyCon Australia will be held on August 18 and 19,
2012 in Hobart, Tasmania, bringing together professional, student and
enthusiast developers with a love for developing with Python. PyCon
Australia informs the country?s Python developers with presentations,
tutorials and panel sessions by experts and core developers of Python,
as well as the libraries and frameworks that they rely on.

To find out more about PyCon Australia 2012, visit our website at
http://pycon-au.org or e-mail us at contact at pycon-au.org.

PyCon Australia is presented by Linux Australia (www.linux.org.au) and
acknowledges the support of our Gold sponsor, Google Australia
(www.google.com.au); our Event partner, Secret Lab; and our Silver
sponsors, the Python Software Foundation, Anchor Systems, Red Hat,
ekit, and CSIRO.


-- 
--
--Christopher Neugebauer
Conference Coordinator and Sponsor Liaison

PyCon Australia: Hobart 2012 -- http://2012.pycon-au.org -- @pyconau
Call for Proposals now open! Closes May 4.
Early bird registration and accommodation deals now available! See our
website for details.

Jabber: chrisjrn at gmail.com -- IRC: chrisjrn on irc.freenode.net --
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