From gus.gollings at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 05:17:26 2010
From: gus.gollings at gmail.com (Gus Gollings)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:17:26 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] JOB: Ruby (sic) Programmer
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=u00ph=HE9unAGx_8TELrpuP5ac7ocvSTudjnq@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Python People of Melbourne,

My employer[1] is looking for a Ruby on Rails developer but they can't
find anyone. I suggested looking for Python programmers interested in
working in other languages and learning Ruby.

So, with my apologies for the tenuous connection to the list, I hope
this idea and message helps someone looking for programming work,
albeit not in Python.

"""
Opportunity for a Software Developer keen to learn Ruby on Rails in an
exciting new start-up.

Responsibilities:

Designing and implementing robust code to fulfill defined product functionality.
Resolving identified bugs in a speedy manner.
Contributing to architectural discussions for new application development.
Developing and implementing tests to test the completeness and
robustness of developed code.
Communicating with the development team on the design, scope and
progress of application development.
Providing estimates for development of new functionality.

Experience in Django or Pylons a plus.

Salary: Negotiable based on experience

Location:  Melbourne CBD

Contact: Darren Donnelly <ddonnelly at classifiedadventures.com>
"""

Regards,

Gus

[1] http://classifiedadventures.com/

From hartror at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 05:23:47 2010
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:23:47 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] JOB: Ruby (sic) Programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=u00ph=HE9unAGx_8TELrpuP5ac7ocvSTudjnq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=u00ph=HE9unAGx_8TELrpuP5ac7ocvSTudjnq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikMjuGmAcPo4R+O8s7=C-TfS6BB6y-y6wmH+8oF@mail.gmail.com>

Wow I heard from my Rails friends it was hard to find good rails people but
I didn't think it was that bad!

I will pass this onto some people I know.

Rory

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Gus Gollings <gus.gollings at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Python People of Melbourne,
>
> My employer[1] is looking for a Ruby on Rails developer but they can't
> find anyone. I suggested looking for Python programmers interested in
> working in other languages and learning Ruby.
>
> So, with my apologies for the tenuous connection to the list, I hope
> this idea and message helps someone looking for programming work,
> albeit not in Python.
>
> """
> Opportunity for a Software Developer keen to learn Ruby on Rails in an
> exciting new start-up.
>
> Responsibilities:
>
> Designing and implementing robust code to fulfill defined product
> functionality.
> Resolving identified bugs in a speedy manner.
> Contributing to architectural discussions for new application development.
> Developing and implementing tests to test the completeness and
> robustness of developed code.
> Communicating with the development team on the design, scope and
> progress of application development.
> Providing estimates for development of new functionality.
>
> Experience in Django or Pylons a plus.
>
> Salary: Negotiable based on experience
>
> Location:  Melbourne CBD
>
> Contact: Darren Donnelly <ddonnelly at classifiedadventures.com>
> """
>
> Regards,
>
> Gus
>
> [1] http://classifiedadventures.com/
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
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From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 05:29:36 2010
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:29:36 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] JOB: Ruby (sic) Programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikMjuGmAcPo4R+O8s7=C-TfS6BB6y-y6wmH+8oF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=u00ph=HE9unAGx_8TELrpuP5ac7ocvSTudjnq@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikMjuGmAcPo4R+O8s7=C-TfS6BB6y-y6wmH+8oF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik_b_8Wh9ROgOwHfQwpHFF2bW9PASk92mQAWp3S@mail.gmail.com>

According to TIOBE poor ol' Ruby might've had its flash in the pan...
seems to be fading about as fast as Perl now.

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html


     Richard

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Rory Hart <hartror at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow I heard from my Rails friends it was hard to find good rails people but
> I didn't think it was that bad!
> I will pass this onto some people I know.
>
> Rory
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Gus Gollings <gus.gollings at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Python People of Melbourne,
>>
>> My employer[1] is looking for a Ruby on Rails developer but they can't
>> find anyone. I suggested looking for Python programmers interested in
>> working in other languages and learning Ruby.
>>
>> So, with my apologies for the tenuous connection to the list, I hope
>> this idea and message helps someone looking for programming work,
>> albeit not in Python.
>>
>> """
>> Opportunity for a Software Developer keen to learn Ruby on Rails in an
>> exciting new start-up.
>>
>> Responsibilities:
>>
>> Designing and implementing robust code to fulfill defined product
>> functionality.
>> Resolving identified bugs in a speedy manner.
>> Contributing to architectural discussions for new application development.
>> Developing and implementing tests to test the completeness and
>> robustness of developed code.
>> Communicating with the development team on the design, scope and
>> progress of application development.
>> Providing estimates for development of new functionality.
>>
>> Experience in Django or Pylons a plus.
>>
>> Salary: Negotiable based on experience
>>
>> Location: ?Melbourne CBD
>>
>> Contact: Darren Donnelly <ddonnelly at classifiedadventures.com>
>> """
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gus
>>
>> [1] http://classifiedadventures.com/
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>

From n6151h at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 05:35:24 2010
From: n6151h at gmail.com (N6151H)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:35:24 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] JOB: Ruby (sic) Programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik_b_8Wh9ROgOwHfQwpHFF2bW9PASk92mQAWp3S@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=u00ph=HE9unAGx_8TELrpuP5ac7ocvSTudjnq@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikMjuGmAcPo4R+O8s7=C-TfS6BB6y-y6wmH+8oF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik_b_8Wh9ROgOwHfQwpHFF2bW9PASk92mQAWp3S@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimh6szvh=9+b--rxznUeOTjVgbd9NK5WpdQzbdn@mail.gmail.com>

Kinda sad, really.   Some good ideas in there.

So it goes.

Viva le Python!

Nick

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>wrote:

> According to TIOBE poor ol' Ruby might've had its flash in the pan...
> seems to be fading about as fast as Perl now.
>
> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
>
>
>     Richard
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Rory Hart <hartror at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Wow I heard from my Rails friends it was hard to find good rails people
> but
> > I didn't think it was that bad!
> > I will pass this onto some people I know.
> >
> > Rory
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Gus Gollings <gus.gollings at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Python People of Melbourne,
> >>
> >> My employer[1] is looking for a Ruby on Rails developer but they can't
> >> find anyone. I suggested looking for Python programmers interested in
> >> working in other languages and learning Ruby.
> >>
> >> So, with my apologies for the tenuous connection to the list, I hope
> >> this idea and message helps someone looking for programming work,
> >> albeit not in Python.
> >>
> >> """
> >> Opportunity for a Software Developer keen to learn Ruby on Rails in an
> >> exciting new start-up.
> >>
> >> Responsibilities:
> >>
> >> Designing and implementing robust code to fulfill defined product
> >> functionality.
> >> Resolving identified bugs in a speedy manner.
> >> Contributing to architectural discussions for new application
> development.
> >> Developing and implementing tests to test the completeness and
> >> robustness of developed code.
> >> Communicating with the development team on the design, scope and
> >> progress of application development.
> >> Providing estimates for development of new functionality.
> >>
> >> Experience in Django or Pylons a plus.
> >>
> >> Salary: Negotiable based on experience
> >>
> >> Location:  Melbourne CBD
> >>
> >> Contact: Darren Donnelly <ddonnelly at classifiedadventures.com>
> >> """
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Gus
> >>
> >> [1] http://classifiedadventures.com/
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> melbourne-pug mailing list
> >> melbourne-pug at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > melbourne-pug mailing list
> > melbourne-pug at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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From afort at choqolat.org  Wed Oct  6 05:49:49 2010
From: afort at choqolat.org (Andrew Fort)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:49:49 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] JOB: Ruby (sic) Programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik_b_8Wh9ROgOwHfQwpHFF2bW9PASk92mQAWp3S@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=u00ph=HE9unAGx_8TELrpuP5ac7ocvSTudjnq@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikMjuGmAcPo4R+O8s7=C-TfS6BB6y-y6wmH+8oF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik_b_8Wh9ROgOwHfQwpHFF2bW9PASk92mQAWp3S@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinFgukPUiB1KGYfuyzHwEcxs+rtUx2beah1PM15@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com> wrote:
> According to TIOBE poor ol' Ruby might've had its flash in the pan...
> seems to be fading about as fast as Perl now.
>
> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
>

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/paperinfo/tpci/Ruby.html

I lived in San Francisco for the last few years, and to me, this chart
uncannily follows my unofficial "density of MacBooks to tragic
hipsters at Ritual Coffee Roasters on Valencia St" trend.  N.B., they
removed the power points (but not the free wifi) in early 2009.

;-)

-a

From dgtlmoon at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 09:41:41 2010
From: dgtlmoon at gmail.com (Leigh Morresi)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:41:41 +0200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] JOB: Ruby (sic) Programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinFgukPUiB1KGYfuyzHwEcxs+rtUx2beah1PM15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=u00ph=HE9unAGx_8TELrpuP5ac7ocvSTudjnq@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikMjuGmAcPo4R+O8s7=C-TfS6BB6y-y6wmH+8oF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik_b_8Wh9ROgOwHfQwpHFF2bW9PASk92mQAWp3S@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinFgukPUiB1KGYfuyzHwEcxs+rtUx2beah1PM15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=_+8Oss0=c5AuR+cbUR0m9CNttbEMuyLMZ1NkT@mail.gmail.com>

Cute. A startup based on a tech they can't get developers for.

On 06/10/2010 5:50 AM, "Andrew Fort" <afort at choqolat.org> wrote:

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>
wrote:

> According to TIOBE poor ol' Ruby might've had its flash in the pan...
> seems to be fading about a...
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/paperinfo/tpci/Ruby.html

I lived in San Francisco for the last few years, and to me, this chart
uncannily follows my unofficial "density of MacBooks to tragic
hipsters at Ritual Coffee Roasters on Valencia St" trend.  N.B., they
removed the power points (but not the free wifi) in early 2009.

;-)

-a

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From afort at choqolat.org  Wed Oct 13 01:01:50 2010
From: afort at choqolat.org (Andrew Fort)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:01:50 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] JOB: Ruby (sic) Programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=_+8Oss0=c5AuR+cbUR0m9CNttbEMuyLMZ1NkT@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=u00ph=HE9unAGx_8TELrpuP5ac7ocvSTudjnq@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikMjuGmAcPo4R+O8s7=C-TfS6BB6y-y6wmH+8oF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik_b_8Wh9ROgOwHfQwpHFF2bW9PASk92mQAWp3S@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinFgukPUiB1KGYfuyzHwEcxs+rtUx2beah1PM15@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=_+8Oss0=c5AuR+cbUR0m9CNttbEMuyLMZ1NkT@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinau9sp8=xRK2oDVEMsSYY4SQCjHd91Rfktuvcb@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Leigh Morresi <dgtlmoon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Cute. A startup based on a tech they can't get developers for.

Perhaps they forgot to read some history, and started with the "solution":

http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/lamport/pubs/state-the-problem.pdf

-a

From announce at ruxcon.org.au  Fri Oct 22 04:40:23 2010
From: announce at ruxcon.org.au (announce at ruxcon.org.au)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:40:23 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Ruxcon 2010 Announcement
Message-ID: <20101022024023.2413D8A07@ruxcon.org.au>

Ruxcon is Australia's premier technical computer security conference, held at the CQ function centre in Melbourne. After a break in 2009, Ruxcon is back and bigger than ever.

Ruxcon brings together the best and the brightest security talent in the Australia-Pacific region through live presentations, activities, and demonstrations. This year we also feature a fantastic lineup with several high-profile international speakers.

Ruxcon 2010 will be held on the weekend of the 20th of November to the 21th of November. Doors open at 9:00am and the first presentation commences at 10:00am.

There are a limited number of tickets available and they are going very quickly. Please register via the Ruxcon website to ensure that you don't miss out: http://www.ruxcon.org.au/register.


Ruxcon 2010 Presentations (http://www.ruxcon.org.au/presentations):

1.  Milking a Horse or Executing Remote Code in Modern Java Web Frameworks - Meder Kydryraliev
2.  Code Analysis Carpentry - Sean Heelan
3.  Breaking Virtualisation by Switching the CPU to Virtual 8086 Mode  - Endrazine
4.  Instrumenting the Linux Kernel with Kprobes for Anti-Security - Ryan O'Neill
5.  Will it Blend? - Billy Rios
6.  Prospecting for Rootite: More Code Coverage, More Bugs, Less Wasted Effort - Ben Nagy
7.  DEP in Depth - Brett Moore
8.  Understanding the Java Serialisation Attack Surface - Daniel Grzelak
9.  Web Scanners FOR THE WIN... - Louis Nyffenegger
10. We've been Hacked! What Went Wrong and Why - Mark Goudie
11. An overview of AFP High Tech Crime Operations - Alex Tilley
12. Killing the Elephant in the Room - Enterprise Vulnerability Management Tactics - Matt J
13. Fast Automated Unpacking and Classification of Malware - Silvio Cesare
14. Hackerspace - Robots & Dinosaurs - Gavin Smith
15. 'No Holds Barred' Penetration Testing - Jarrod Loidl
16. The Computer Forensic & eDiscovery Tools that Time Forgot - Adam Daniel
17. How to Do Real World Computer Forensics... And Not Get Burned - Nick Klein
18. Ghost in the Shell(code) - Matthew de Carteret
19. Hooray for Reading: The Kindle and You - Peter Hannay
20. The Australian Internet Security Initiative - Fighting Botnets at the Source - Mark Chaffe
21. Security in APCO P25 Public-Safety Communications Networks  - Stephen Glass & Matt Robert
22. Automatically Identifying C structs from Binaries - Kuza55
23. Rux Lox - An Introduction to Lockpicking - Graeme "Wily" Bell
24. RFID Shits and Giggles - Edward Farrell
25. DnsUberNOOBer - DNS Enumeration on Steroids! - Jaco van Heerden
26. Virtualisation Security State of the Union - David Jorm
More to come...

As in previous years, there will be events and competitions, which allow attendees to have fun, win prizes and socialise, all while enjoying a cold beer on an Australian summer's day.

For more information please visit: www.ruxcon.org.au.

Hope to see you there,

Regards,
Ruxcon 2010 Staff


From lists at mrnaz.com  Mon Oct 25 17:33:15 2010
From: lists at mrnaz.com (Naz Gassiep)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:33:15 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] wxPython Tutor wanted
Message-ID: <4CC5A33B.1030202@mrnaz.com>

Hi guys,
     I am looking for someone to provide tuition for learning Python + 
WX. I would like to cover enough material to get up to a level where I 
can build DB backed GUI applications with Python and wxPython. I am 
already advanced with SQL (most familiar with PostgreSQL, but can use 
Oracle, MySQL, SQLite and a few others) so that side of things is taken 
care of. I'm already a reasonable coder (PHP, JavaScript) and am 
familiar with Python enough that I've hacked up a few CLI tools to 
automate some basic business report processing, but nothing complex yet.

     Mostly I need help with good design patterns. I'm already past 
beginner level Python, and I've done a calculator demo in wxPy, so I'm 
really after someone to help me accelerate the process of getting from 
hacking amateur to competent developer. I have experience building very 
complex web apps (single handedly built a POS system which is currently 
in use at more than 10 sites around the country), so there should be no 
newbie type holdups.

     This will not be free. I am willing and actually want to pay for 
your time. If you're interested, please email me and I'll get back to 
you ASAP.

Thanks,
- Naz.



From rasjidw at openminddev.net  Tue Oct 26 01:33:03 2010
From: rasjidw at openminddev.net (Rasjid Wilcox)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:33:03 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Pyside - Qt bindings for Python (Was Re: wxPython
 Tutor wanted)
In-Reply-To: <4CC5A33B.1030202@mrnaz.com>
References: <4CC5A33B.1030202@mrnaz.com>
Message-ID: <4CC613AF.6020300@openminddev.net>

Hi Naz,

Not wanting to put you off if you have your heart set on wxPython, but 
do you realise that there are now LPGL python bindings to Qt?  See 
http://www.pyside.org/ for details.

Disclaimer: I've not (yet) actually used the PySide bindings, and in 
fact so far the few professional Python GUI apps I've written in were 
done in wxPython (but not enough that I'd consider mentoring). But as a 
*user* of various Python software packages I've always felt that the Qt 
ones to have the nicest 'feel' on all platforms, and based on the 
feature set and APIs available, I'd say that Qt offers a richer feature 
set than wx.  If you have chosen wxPython because the commercial version 
of the PyQt bindings are prohibitively expensive, then the PySide 
bindings may be worth a look.

Cheers,

Rasjid.


On 26/10/10 02:33, Naz Gassiep wrote:
> Hi guys,
>     I am looking for someone to provide tuition for learning Python + 
> WX. I would like to cover enough material to get up to a level where I 
> can build DB backed GUI applications with Python and wxPython. I am 
> already advanced with SQL (most familiar with PostgreSQL, but can use 
> Oracle, MySQL, SQLite and a few others) so that side of things is 
> taken care of. I'm already a reasonable coder (PHP, JavaScript) and am 
> familiar with Python enough that I've hacked up a few CLI tools to 
> automate some basic business report processing, but nothing complex yet.
>
>     Mostly I need help with good design patterns. I'm already past 
> beginner level Python, and I've done a calculator demo in wxPy, so I'm 
> really after someone to help me accelerate the process of getting from 
> hacking amateur to competent developer. I have experience building 
> very complex web apps (single handedly built a POS system which is 
> currently in use at more than 10 sites around the country), so there 
> should be no newbie type holdups.
>
>     This will not be free. I am willing and actually want to pay for 
> your time. If you're interested, please email me and I'll get back to 
> you ASAP.
>
> Thanks,
> - Naz.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug


From hartror at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 02:24:37 2010
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:24:37 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Pyside - Qt bindings for Python (Was Re:
 wxPython Tutor wanted)
In-Reply-To: <4CC613AF.6020300@openminddev.net>
References: <4CC5A33B.1030202@mrnaz.com>
	<4CC613AF.6020300@openminddev.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-RzdjWz-rjGemGeY8u+GcTRqRSzCpuSptXsXP@mail.gmail.com>

I was considering chiming in with the same. I have used the PyQT Qt python
bindings for internal development with some success, haven't used pyside
ones however so cannot speak to their quality. Rasji is quite right that the
PyQt bindings are not cheap but depending on the project they are not
unreasonable given their quality and the ease of development they provide.

Rory

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Rasjid Wilcox <rasjidw at openminddev.net>wrote:

> Hi Naz,
>
> Not wanting to put you off if you have your heart set on wxPython, but do
> you realise that there are now LPGL python bindings to Qt?  See
> http://www.pyside.org/ for details.
>
> Disclaimer: I've not (yet) actually used the PySide bindings, and in fact
> so far the few professional Python GUI apps I've written in were done in
> wxPython (but not enough that I'd consider mentoring). But as a *user* of
> various Python software packages I've always felt that the Qt ones to have
> the nicest 'feel' on all platforms, and based on the feature set and APIs
> available, I'd say that Qt offers a richer feature set than wx.  If you have
> chosen wxPython because the commercial version of the PyQt bindings are
> prohibitively expensive, then the PySide bindings may be worth a look.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rasjid.
>
>
> On 26/10/10 02:33, Naz Gassiep wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>    I am looking for someone to provide tuition for learning Python + WX. I
>> would like to cover enough material to get up to a level where I can build
>> DB backed GUI applications with Python and wxPython. I am already advanced
>> with SQL (most familiar with PostgreSQL, but can use Oracle, MySQL, SQLite
>> and a few others) so that side of things is taken care of. I'm already a
>> reasonable coder (PHP, JavaScript) and am familiar with Python enough that
>> I've hacked up a few CLI tools to automate some basic business report
>> processing, but nothing complex yet.
>>
>>    Mostly I need help with good design patterns. I'm already past beginner
>> level Python, and I've done a calculator demo in wxPy, so I'm really after
>> someone to help me accelerate the process of getting from hacking amateur to
>> competent developer. I have experience building very complex web apps
>> (single handedly built a POS system which is currently in use at more than
>> 10 sites around the country), so there should be no newbie type holdups.
>>
>>    This will not be free. I am willing and actually want to pay for your
>> time. If you're interested, please email me and I'll get back to you ASAP.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> - Naz.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Tue Oct 26 07:37:22 2010
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:37:22 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] setup.py sdist problem
Message-ID: <4CC66912.4040701@dewhirst.com.au>

This might be cross-posted on python-au. I sent it half an hour ago 
haven't seen it appear yet. Maybe python.net is sagging some? Hence a 
repeat here ...

- - - - - - >
Does anyone have a hint for me on distutils please???

I'm using Python 2.7 and WinXP. For reasons best known only to myself I 
installed python in C:\usr\bin

My problem is I cannot seem to control XXX below ...

setup( ...
data_files=[
     ('XXX', [
             'doc/license.txt',
             'doc/release_note.txt',
             'doc/synopsis.txt',
             ])
     ],
...)

The data files appear in C:\usr\bin\XXX instead of 
C:\usr\bin\Lib\site-packages\XXX

I've tried ./, an empty string (as specified in the distutils docco) and 
a plain dot all to no avail.

Also I have perused the distutils source over the last half hour without 
stumbling on the answer. Not surprising really. For me.

Is there a trick to it?

Thanks

Mike

From jervisau at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 08:19:17 2010
From: jervisau at gmail.com (Jervis Whitley)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:19:17 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Looking for eastern states Python training
Message-ID: <AANLkTimseu721rc2eyhtez_eUqXWTdrHvmbTmPQu-Y4g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Can anyone recommend a company that provides Python training for beginner to
intermediate programmers? The company should be based in either Brisbane,
Sydney or Melbourne.

I ask because our company recently took on a product that includes Python as
its scripting language, many of the (power system) engineers that work here
are familiar with Fortran and Visual Basic, but not Python.

I didn't want to leave this question without first describing the kinds of
areas the ideal course would be focused on. The engineers work using Python
to read input from csv (comma separated value) files or other text files or
even a settings.py type file and then using this product's API, interact
with a model of the electrical power system. They then read the results out
using the API and put them in csv files for further manual analysis.

The course should cover:

* Python basics (data types, program control, exception handling, importing
from modules..)
* basic testing techniques (unittest, and debugging strategies)
* reading and writing csv files

Not interesting in the following:

* Web scripting
* XML
* Relational databases


Cheers,

Jervis Whitley
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From ryan at rfk.id.au  Tue Oct 26 08:14:54 2010
From: ryan at rfk.id.au (Ryan Kelly)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:14:54 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] setup.py sdist problem
In-Reply-To: <4CC66912.4040701@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <4CC66912.4040701@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <1288073694.2409.9.camel@durian>

On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 16:37 +1100, Mike Dewhirst wrote:
> This might be cross-posted on python-au. I sent it half an hour ago 
> haven't seen it appear yet. Maybe python.net is sagging some? Hence a 
> repeat here ...
> 
> - - - - - - >
> Does anyone have a hint for me on distutils please???
> 
> I'm using Python 2.7 and WinXP. For reasons best known only to myself I 
> installed python in C:\usr\bin
> 
> My problem is I cannot seem to control XXX below ...
> 
> setup( ...
> data_files=[
>      ('XXX', [
>              'doc/license.txt',
>              'doc/release_note.txt',
>              'doc/synopsis.txt',
>              ])
>      ],
> ...)
> 
> The data files appear in C:\usr\bin\XXX instead of 
> C:\usr\bin\Lib\site-packages\XXX
> 
> I've tried ./, an empty string (as specified in the distutils docco) and 
> a plain dot all to no avail.
> 
> Also I have perused the distutils source over the last half hour without 
> stumbling on the answer. Not surprising really. For me.
> 
> Is there a trick to it?

Don't forget that data_files are installed relative to sys.prefix, which
in your case is "C:\usr\bin".  Did you try setting the directory to "Lib
\site-packages\XXX", or to the absolute path to the target directory?

I usually avoid using "data_files" entirely and go with the
"package_data" option instead.  It lets you install files into the
package directory (i.e. the directory under site-packages) rather than
wherever python decides the "data directory" should be:

http://docs.python.org/distutils/setupscript.html#installing-package-data


 Cheers,

    Ryan

-- 
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From edschofield at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 09:00:59 2010
From: edschofield at gmail.com (Ed Schofield)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:00:59 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Looking for eastern states Python training
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimseu721rc2eyhtez_eUqXWTdrHvmbTmPQu-Y4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimseu721rc2eyhtez_eUqXWTdrHvmbTmPQu-Y4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinEsiS8uusYkG0VeqE4eW84jhVNuYFOJcmS-yNr@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jervis,

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Jervis Whitley <jervisau at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Can anyone recommend a company that provides Python training for beginner to
> intermediate programmers? The company should be based in either Brisbane,
> Sydney or Melbourne.
> ...
> I didn't want to leave this question without first describing the kinds of
> areas the ideal course would be focused on. The engineers work using Python
> to read input from csv (comma separated value) files or other text files or
> even a settings.py type file and then using this product's API, interact
> with a model of the electrical power system. They then read the results out
> using the API and put them in csv files for further manual analysis.


We run great training courses at Python Charmers. :) We are currently
running a series of training courses for the Bureau of Meteorology in
Melbourne and Canberra, with very similar course content to the topics
you mentioned. The feedback on these courses has been excellent.

Our website is:

http://pythoncharmers.com

You're very welcome to contact me off-list at ed at pythoncharmers.com.

Cheers,
-- Ed

From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Tue Oct 26 09:16:51 2010
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:16:51 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] setup.py sdist problem
In-Reply-To: <1288073694.2409.9.camel@durian>
References: <4CC66912.4040701@dewhirst.com.au> <1288073694.2409.9.camel@durian>
Message-ID: <4CC68063.1060305@dewhirst.com.au>

On 26/10/2010 5:14pm, Ryan Kelly wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 16:37 +1100, Mike Dewhirst wrote:
>> This might be cross-posted on python-au. I sent it half an hour ago
>> haven't seen it appear yet. Maybe python.net is sagging some? Hence a
>> repeat here ...
>>
>> - - - - - ->
>> Does anyone have a hint for me on distutils please???
>>
>> I'm using Python 2.7 and WinXP. For reasons best known only to myself I
>> installed python in C:\usr\bin
>>
>> My problem is I cannot seem to control XXX below ...
>>
>> setup( ...
>> data_files=[
>>       ('XXX', [
>>               'doc/license.txt',
>>               'doc/release_note.txt',
>>               'doc/synopsis.txt',
>>               ])
>>       ],
>> ...)
>>
>> The data files appear in C:\usr\bin\XXX instead of
>> C:\usr\bin\Lib\site-packages\XXX
>>
>> I've tried ./, an empty string (as specified in the distutils docco) and
>> a plain dot all to no avail.
>>
>> Also I have perused the distutils source over the last half hour without
>> stumbling on the answer. Not surprising really. For me.
>>
>> Is there a trick to it?
>
> Don't forget that data_files are installed relative to sys.prefix, which
> in your case is "C:\usr\bin".  Did you try setting the directory to "Lib
> \site-packages\XXX", or to the absolute path to the target directory?
>
> I usually avoid using "data_files" entirely and go with the
> "package_data" option instead.  It lets you install files into the
> package directory (i.e. the directory under site-packages) rather than
> wherever python decides the "data directory" should be:
>
> http://docs.python.org/distutils/setupscript.html#installing-package-data

Ryan

I didn't want to hard-code Lib/site-packages because that isn't 
necessarily true on other systems, eg., my own Linuxen. So I didn't 
persevere with package_data. It is only a single module plus tests. I 
was persuaded (from my reading the docs) it seems treating it as a 
package would be overkill.

I might try harder with MANIFEST.in as suggested by Stephen (below). 
I've got it part-working - it is including the files in the dist zip but 
not dropping them in XXX on setup.py install.

> I think the trick is adding them to MANIFEST.in, and having them
> packaged that way. I haven't done this in a while, but my recollection
> is that that's the correct way.


Thanks

Mike


>
>
>   Cheers,
>
>      Ryan
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug


From miked at climate.com.au  Wed Oct 27 07:23:47 2010
From: miked at climate.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:23:47 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] [Done]  setup.py sdist problem
In-Reply-To: <4CC68063.1060305@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <4CC66912.4040701@dewhirst.com.au> <1288073694.2409.9.camel@durian>
	<4CC68063.1060305@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <4CC7B763.6060108@climate.com.au>

I took Ryan's advice in the end and went for packages and package_data 
plus MANIFEST.in as per Stephen's advice and got everything I needed 
actually installing in sub-directories.

If anyone is interested I'm happy to reveal all.

Thanks Ryan and Stephen

Mike

On 26/10/2010 6:16pm, Mike Dewhirst wrote:
> On 26/10/2010 5:14pm, Ryan Kelly wrote:
>> On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 16:37 +1100, Mike Dewhirst wrote:
<snip>
>>> My problem is I cannot seem to control XXX below ...
>>>
>>> setup( ...
>>> data_files=[
>>> ('XXX', [
>>> 'doc/license.txt',
>>> 'doc/release_note.txt',
>>> 'doc/synopsis.txt',
>>> ])
>>> ],
>>> ...)
>>>
>>> The data files appear in C:\usr\bin\XXX instead of
>>> C:\usr\bin\Lib\site-packages\XXX
>>>
<snip>
>>
>> Don't forget that data_files are installed relative to sys.prefix, which
>> in your case is "C:\usr\bin". Did you try setting the directory to "Lib
>> \site-packages\XXX", or to the absolute path to the target directory?
>>
>> I usually avoid using "data_files" entirely and go with the
>> "package_data" option instead. It lets you install files into the
>> package directory (i.e. the directory under site-packages) rather than
>> wherever python decides the "data directory" should be:
>>
>> http://docs.python.org/distutils/setupscript.html#installing-package-data
>
> Ryan
>
> I didn't want to hard-code Lib/site-packages because that isn't
> necessarily true on other systems, eg., my own Linuxen. So I didn't
> persevere with package_data. It is only a single module plus tests. I
> was persuaded (from my reading the docs) it seems treating it as a
> package would be overkill.
>
> I might try harder with MANIFEST.in as suggested by Stephen (below).
> I've got it part-working - it is including the files in the dist zip but
> not dropping them in XXX on setup.py install.
>
>> I think the trick is adding them to MANIFEST.in, and having them
>> packaged that way. I haven't done this in a while, but my recollection
>> is that that's the correct way.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>


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From gcross at fastmail.fm  Fri Oct 29 02:40:38 2010
From: gcross at fastmail.fm (Graeme Cross)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:40:38 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Fwd: [mxug:1346] Melbourne Code Retreat
References: <1F0A7702-A1F6-478F-B5B6-AE2483D419D7@freelancing-gods.com>
Message-ID: <639FB664-0800-4207-B7DC-040B6C5A7340@fastmail.fm>

Hi all.

I thought this might be of interest to some.

Regards,
Graeme

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Pat Allan <pat at freelancing-gods.com>
> Date: 29 October 2010 10:41:04 AM AEDT
> To: rails-oceania at googlegroups.com, mxug at googlegroups.com
> Subject: [mxug:1346] Melbourne Code Retreat
> Reply-To: mxug at googlegroups.com
> 
> Hi everyone
> 
> As some of you may have heard, Corey Haines - who is speaking at YOW at the start of December - is running a Code Retreat here in Melbourne on Saturday, December 4th. Code Retreats are "events for software developers interested in improving their craft by collaborating with other developers while practicing programming techniques in a fun and focused activity."
> 
> Corey's run these in many cities in his travels, and from what I've heard they're excellent events - you spend the day pairing with someone, working through Conway's Game of Life, sharing concepts with the group, iterating over the project several times. There's more information on the Code Retreat site:
> 
> http://www.coderetreat.com/how-it-works.html
> 
> So, if that tickles your fancy, registrations are open (apologies for no advance notice, there were a few communication issues) - it's a free event, but places are very much limited. So jump in quick!
> 
> http://reacoderetreat.eventbrite.com/
> 
> And while I am a Ruby developer (and am sending this to the Ruby list, as well as MXUG) - it's not a Ruby event. All languages are welcome - provided there's someone there willing to pair with you on that language :)
> 
> If you're on other Melbourne tech lists, feel free to forward this there.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> -- 
> Pat
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From edschofield at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 00:33:04 2010
From: edschofield at gmail.com (Ed Schofield)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:33:04 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] More Python meetups!
Message-ID: <AANLkTimKcCBhGGGgNf8266gMkZ1Ngh47j6Q72qzMDjiL@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

We're re-starting the monthly Python meetups!

We're lucky to have been offered a venue for future Python meetups by
Inspire9 in Richmond. The venue will be free of charge -- as a favour
from Nathan @ Inspire9 to the Python community, which is awesome. I've
created a Meetup.com page to keep track of numbers etc.:

http://www.meetup.com/Melbourne-Python-Meetup-Group/

The aim is to bring Python people in Melbourne together and to build
up a buzzing community like the Ruby community.

The first meetup will be this coming Friday, 5th November, from 6pm onwards.

The meetups will be based on talks, followed by dinner nearby (in Swan
Street, Richmond). The goal is six talks of 5 minutes each. (Longer
talks are also an option.) Talks can cover any topics of interest to
the Python community: insights, ideas, news, best practices .... Some
possible topics are: PyConAu (Richard? hint hint), Python 3,
particular Python packages, testing, deployment, teaching Python,
reviews of other languages, observations about Python in the
workplace, Python in science and engineering, and broader topics about
open source and the internet, etc.

If you're thinking about giving a talk, please do! Leave a post on the
meetup site and/or mark yourself down on the PUG wiki
(http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG). We'd love to hear from
you!

And do join the meetup group, whether or not you can come this Friday!

http://www.meetup.com/Melbourne-Python-Meetup-Group/

Best wishes,
-- Ed

From edschofield at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 00:33:05 2010
From: edschofield at gmail.com (Ed Schofield)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:33:05 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] More Python meetups!
Message-ID: <AANLkTik6QLBqwzZ=5raXxaFKR8F4m2j+UrCveGpxd4my@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

We're re-starting the monthly Python meetups!

We're lucky to have been offered a venue for future Python meetups by
Inspire9 in Richmond. The venue will be free of charge -- as a favour
from Nathan @ Inspire9 to the Python community, which is awesome. I've
created a Meetup.com page to keep track of numbers etc.:

http://www.meetup.com/Melbourne-Python-Meetup-Group/

The aim is to bring Python people in Melbourne together and to build
up a buzzing community like the Ruby community.

The first meetup will be this coming Friday, 5th November, from 6pm onwards.

The meetups will be based on talks, followed by dinner nearby (in Swan
Street, Richmond). The goal is six talks of 5 minutes each. (Longer
talks are also an option.) Talks can cover any topics of interest to
the Python community: insights, ideas, news, best practices .... Some
possible topics are: PyConAu (Richard? hint hint), Python 3,
particular Python packages, testing, deployment, teaching Python,
reviews of other languages, observations about Python in the
workplace, Python in science and engineering, and broader topics about
open source and the internet, etc.

If you're thinking about giving a talk, please do! Leave a post on the
meetup site and/or mark yourself down on the PUG wiki
(http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG). We'd love to hear from
you!

And do join the meetup group, whether or not you can come this Friday!

http://www.meetup.com/Melbourne-Python-Meetup-Group/

Best wishes,
-- Ed