From lljy at csse.unimelb.edu.au Wed Apr 1 00:26:04 2009 From: lljy at csse.unimelb.edu.au (Lars Yencken) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:26:04 +1100 Subject: [melbourne-pug] April pub meetup (21st April) Message-ID: <313fdf960903311526k61d42ea9vfb82954de65a3fc9@mail.gmail.com> Ok, votes are still tied for the meet-up. Let's say Tuesday 21st April, and see if a few extras can make it if the date is fixed. Now we need somewhere to meet. I can recommend the Union Club Hotel off Smith St, and the Little Creatures Dining Hallnearby on Brunswick St, but perhaps somewhere in the city would be more accessible to people. Any recommendations? Lars -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From miles.chris at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 00:39:41 2009 From: miles.chris at gmail.com (Chris Miles) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:39:41 +1100 Subject: [melbourne-pug] April pub meetup (21st April) In-Reply-To: <313fdf960903311526k61d42ea9vfb82954de65a3fc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <313fdf960903311526k61d42ea9vfb82954de65a3fc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 01/04/2009, at 9:26 AM, Lars Yencken wrote: > Ok, votes are still tied for the meet-up. Let's say Tuesday 21st > April, and see if a few extras can make it if the date is fixed. > > Now we need somewhere to meet. > > I can recommend the Union Club Hotel off Smith St, and the Little > Creatures Dining Hall nearby on Brunswick St, but perhaps somewhere > in the city would be more accessible to people. > > Any recommendations? I vote for somewhere in the city as I'm coming from the south east, so it'll mean only one train. I don't do much drinking in the city these days so I don't have any good location suggestions. 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Let's say Tuesday 21st April, and > see if a few extras can make it if the date is fixed. > > Now we need somewhere to meet. > > I can recommend the Union Club Hotel off Smith St, and the Little Creatures > Dining Hall nearby on Brunswick St, but perhaps somewhere in the city would > be more accessible to people. > > Any recommendations? > > I vote for somewhere in the city as I'm coming from the south east, so it'll > mean only one train. I don't do much drinking in the city these days so I > don't have any good location suggestions. If there are votes, I'd vote for city too.. One train is always good :) My recent explorations: http://www.turfbar.com.au/ ===> Been here once, not enough to make a judgment http://www.thesherlockholmes.com.au/ ===> small, nice food & quiet cheers -- Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent. -- R. D. Laing quotes From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 00:53:50 2009 From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:53:50 +1100 Subject: [melbourne-pug] April pub meetup (21st April) In-Reply-To: <313fdf960903311526k61d42ea9vfb82954de65a3fc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <313fdf960903311526k61d42ea9vfb82954de65a3fc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43c8685c0903311553o512aa06sf325e290b4c14f44@mail.gmail.com> I vote for somewhere at Fed Square as having the best public transport and parking that I know of, but I'm happy to travel anywhere within the CBD. This will probably suit the straight-from-work crowd best. Otherwise, Robot in Flinders Lane is a shortish walk and pretty funky. Cheers, -T On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Lars Yencken wrote: > Ok, votes are still tied for the meet-up. Let's say Tuesday 21st April, and > see if a few extras can make it if the date is fixed. > > Now we need somewhere to meet. > > I can recommend the Union Club Hotel off Smith St, and the Little > Creatures Dining Hallnearby on Brunswick St, but perhaps somewhere in the city would be more > accessible to people. > > Any recommendations? > > Lars > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > -- -------------------------------------------------- Tennessee Leeuwenburg http://myownhat.blogspot.com/ "Don't believe everything you think" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 00:54:18 2009 From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:54:18 +1100 Subject: [melbourne-pug] April pub meetup (21st April) In-Reply-To: <205b41740903311550k45396f5fyd6f4a44ad6388915@mail.gmail.com> References: <313fdf960903311526k61d42ea9vfb82954de65a3fc9@mail.gmail.com> <205b41740903311550k45396f5fyd6f4a44ad6388915@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43c8685c0903311554o1b0cbae7se5d31348ac9a79c@mail.gmail.com> Sherlock Holmes is fine by me also. -T On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Mohamed Barwani wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Chris Miles wrote: > > > > On 01/04/2009, at 9:26 AM, Lars Yencken wrote: > > > > Ok, votes are still tied for the meet-up. Let's say Tuesday 21st April, > and > > see if a few extras can make it if the date is fixed. > > > > Now we need somewhere to meet. > > > > I can recommend the Union Club Hotel off Smith St, and the Little > Creatures > > Dining Hall nearby on Brunswick St, but perhaps somewhere in the city > would > > be more accessible to people. > > > > Any recommendations? > > > > I vote for somewhere in the city as I'm coming from the south east, so > it'll > > mean only one train. I don't do much drinking in the city these days so I > > don't have any good location suggestions. > > If there are votes, I'd vote for city too.. One train is always good :) > > My recent explorations: > http://www.turfbar.com.au/ ===> Been here once, not enough to make a > judgment > http://www.thesherlockholmes.com.au/ ===> small, nice food & quiet > > cheers > -- > Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one > hundred percent. -- R. D. Laing quotes > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > -- -------------------------------------------------- Tennessee Leeuwenburg http://myownhat.blogspot.com/ "Don't believe everything you think" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.collins at itg.com Wed Apr 1 00:54:45 2009 From: dave.collins at itg.com (Dave Collins) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 09:54:45 +1100 Subject: [melbourne-pug] April pub meetup (21st April) In-Reply-To: <205b41740903311550k45396f5fyd6f4a44ad6388915@mail.gmail.com> References: <313fdf960903311526k61d42ea9vfb82954de65a3fc9@mail.gmail.com> <205b41740903311550k45396f5fyd6f4a44ad6388915@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1238540085.8306.4.camel@zeppe.itga.com.au> Horse bazaar 397 Little Lonsdale St, Melbourne http://www.horsebazaar.com.au/ is funky and free wifi On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 09:50 +1100, Mohamed Barwani wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Chris Miles wrote: > > > > On 01/04/2009, at 9:26 AM, Lars Yencken wrote: > > > > Ok, votes are still tied for the meet-up. Let's say Tuesday 21st April, and > > see if a few extras can make it if the date is fixed. > > > > Now we need somewhere to meet. > > > > I can recommend the Union Club Hotel off Smith St, and the Little Creatures > > Dining Hall nearby on Brunswick St, but perhaps somewhere in the city would > > be more accessible to people. > > > > Any recommendations? > > > > I vote for somewhere in the city as I'm coming from the south east, so it'll > > mean only one train. I don't do much drinking in the city these days so I > > don't have any good location suggestions. > > If there are votes, I'd vote for city too.. One train is always good :) > > My recent explorations: > http://www.turfbar.com.au/ ===> Been here once, not enough to make a judgment > http://www.thesherlockholmes.com.au/ ===> small, nice food & quiet > > cheers -- Dave Collins Software Engineer ITG Australia Limited Investment Technology Group, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Level 3, Rialto North Tower 525 Collins Street Melbourne VIC 3000 AUSTRALIA Ph: +61 3 9211 2542 Mob: +61 412 832 935 -------------- next part -------------- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The information contained in this communication is strictly confidential and intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). 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Richard From lljy at csse.unimelb.edu.au Wed Apr 1 01:17:21 2009 From: lljy at csse.unimelb.edu.au (Lars Yencken) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:17:21 +1100 Subject: [melbourne-pug] stackless python question In-Reply-To: References: <43c8685c0903251533l431aa581vd7157f223b1431e1@mail.gmail.com> <49CABCCD.5000706@gmail.com> <39679496-60CA-488E-91AB-6ECB36388153@optushome.com.au> <23b1b67f0903251955x23ab97aaybb5ae6b703ad3abd@mail.gmail.com> <313fdf960903261557o75c4b4a0wb1e0659ff1844494@mail.gmail.com> <43c8685c0903262011g6fdfef7fl6547561ad30fc2f7@mail.gmail.com> <313fdf960903262211y411e31e1q72772bd3ba712ae6@mail.gmail.com> <313fdf960903292304sc212080g93063914a86ae6fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <313fdf960903311617v61e7470tf26ffbe15119af0c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/31 John Thorn > What advantages does Stackless python have over normal python? If the > concurrent programming of stackless python IS faster, then why wasn't python > stackless in the first place? Or is there some downside to stackless python > that complicates the issue? > Here's my basic understanding, not having used Stackless. Some types of application are best served by a highly threaded programming. Threads are managed by the OS, and thus have overhead associated with creating them and switching between them. Stackless is designed to solve these types of problems more elegantly and with better performance than CPython. In stackless python they have lightweight versions of threads (Tasklets?) which are part of the python interpreter. Since they aren't managed by the OS, there isn't large overhead in creating them or switching between them. I'm guessing there's some single-threaded overhead that you pay for using stackless though, which is the main reason their changes haven't merged into the main CPython codebase. Because they're maintaining a fork, they're also lagging behind the main project; for example versions of stackless for python 2.6 and 3.0 are still labeled unreliable by the stackless team. Basically, if you don't need a lot of concurrency, CPython will give you better performance. If you do need a lot of concurrency, Stackless will perform better, and provide better tools for managing that concurrency so that you're more productive. Cheers, Lars -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 01:18:49 2009 From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:18:49 +1100 Subject: [melbourne-pug] stackless python question In-Reply-To: References: <43c8685c0903251533l431aa581vd7157f223b1431e1@mail.gmail.com> <49CABCCD.5000706@gmail.com> <39679496-60CA-488E-91AB-6ECB36388153@optushome.com.au> <23b1b67f0903251955x23ab97aaybb5ae6b703ad3abd@mail.gmail.com> <313fdf960903261557o75c4b4a0wb1e0659ff1844494@mail.gmail.com> <43c8685c0903262011g6fdfef7fl6547561ad30fc2f7@mail.gmail.com> <313fdf960903262211y411e31e1q72772bd3ba712ae6@mail.gmail.com> <313fdf960903292304sc212080g93063914a86ae6fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <04A7419B-4F0B-4968-8F4B-DC59E57FCAFE@gmail.com> On 31/03/2009, at 9:21 PM, John Thorn wrote: > I am a beginner at Python. My question: > > What advantages does Stackless python have over normal python? If > the concurrent programming of stackless python IS faster, then why > wasn't python stackless in the first place? Or is there some > downside to stackless python that complicates the issue? I would recommend asking this sort of question on the main python list (see www.python.org). Richard From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 01:27:50 2009 From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:27:50 +1100 Subject: [melbourne-pug] stackless python question In-Reply-To: References: <43c8685c0903251533l431aa581vd7157f223b1431e1@mail.gmail.com> <49CABCCD.5000706@gmail.com> <39679496-60CA-488E-91AB-6ECB36388153@optushome.com.au> <23b1b67f0903251955x23ab97aaybb5ae6b703ad3abd@mail.gmail.com> <313fdf960903261557o75c4b4a0wb1e0659ff1844494@mail.gmail.com> <43c8685c0903262011g6fdfef7fl6547561ad30fc2f7@mail.gmail.com> <313fdf960903262211y411e31e1q72772bd3ba712ae6@mail.gmail.com> <313fdf960903292304sc212080g93063914a86ae6fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43c8685c0903311627o1a106425t85d428c951ec260c@mail.gmail.com> This is just what I think, not what I know. Concurrent processing is faster only when you can do two things at once, and not otherwise. Multi-threaded programming is concerned with making sure multiple paths of execution all get fair time-share of the CPU, so that the GUI painting can get a bit of CPU time every now and then even while other stuff is going on. However, a simple for loop will execute no quicker multi-threaded than single-threaded. For some reason which I genuinely don't understand, lots of people hate this thing called the global intepreter lock, which basically means that only one thread can own that lock at any one time. This is needed in order to guarantee "stuff" in Python's core, mostly reference counts for garbage collection. However, when you've got only one CPU, it's self-obvious that you can only do one thing at a time. So it just doesn't matter that there is a global interpreter lock. The argument against threading without the GIL is that you need to spend more time maintaining your threads, such that you don't get any advantages from it. So all your Python stuff runs in a single operating-system thread, and your "python threads" get time-share of Python's CPU share, rather than having multiple OS-level Python threads running. But I still don't see what having multiple OS-level threads buys you. What's faster is doing two things at the same time, by utilising multiple CPUs. That's real concurrency, and *is* faster, but it doesn't require Stackless either. pyprocessing (2.x) or multiprocessing (3.x) will give you multiple processes so that you can do two things at once. My guess is that there are some cases where Stackless is either actually faster, or just more elegant, than regular CPython, but I wouldn't bet on it. If it was Just Better, then everyone would be using it. Cheers, -T On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:21 PM, John Thorn wrote: > > Hello > I am a beginner at Python. My question: > > What advantages does Stackless python have over normal python? > If the concurrent programming of stackless python IS faster, then why wasn't > python stackless in the first place? Or is there some downside to stackless > python that complicates the issue? > > Regards > Clive > > ------------------------------ > Find car news, reviews and more Looking to change your car this year? > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > -- -------------------------------------------------- Tennessee Leeuwenburg http://myownhat.blogspot.com/ "Don't believe everything you think" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From miles.chris at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 02:06:50 2009 From: miles.chris at gmail.com (Chris Miles) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:06:50 +1100 Subject: [melbourne-pug] stackless python question In-Reply-To: <43c8685c0903311627o1a106425t85d428c951ec260c@mail.gmail.com> References: <43c8685c0903251533l431aa581vd7157f223b1431e1@mail.gmail.com> <49CABCCD.5000706@gmail.com> <39679496-60CA-488E-91AB-6ECB36388153@optushome.com.au> <23b1b67f0903251955x23ab97aaybb5ae6b703ad3abd@mail.gmail.com> <313fdf960903261557o75c4b4a0wb1e0659ff1844494@mail.gmail.com> <43c8685c0903262011g6fdfef7fl6547561ad30fc2f7@mail.gmail.com> <313fdf960903262211y411e31e1q72772bd3ba712ae6@mail.gmail.com> <313fdf960903292304sc212080g93063914a86ae6fa@mail.gmail.com> <43c8685c0903311627o1a106425t85d428c951ec260c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 01/04/2009, at 10:27 AM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote: > For some reason which I genuinely don't understand, lots of people > hate this thing called the global intepreter lock, which basically > means that only one thread can own that lock at any one time. This > is needed in order to guarantee "stuff" in Python's core, mostly > reference counts for garbage collection. However, when you've got > only one CPU, it's self-obvious that you can only do one thing at a > time. So it just doesn't matter that there is a global interpreter > lock. The argument against threading without the GIL is that you > need to spend more time maintaining your threads, such that you > don't get any advantages from it. So all your Python stuff runs in a > single operating-system thread, and your "python threads" get time- > share of Python's CPU share, rather than having multiple OS-level > Python threads running. But I still don't see what having multiple > OS-level threads buys you. You're right in that the GIL is used to protect the global interpreter state, such as reference counting, which are otherwise not thread- safe. As per its definition, the GIL is a single, global, lock, so any thread that needs to update the global interpreter state (inc/dec reference counts) needs to acquire the GIL before continuing. Python makes it easy to use native OS threads. Changing a CPU intensive application to split calculations into multiple threads is also easy. However, on a multi core machine, performance will not automatically improve linearly as two busy Python threads will almost always be fighting for the GIL. Instead of a near 2x performance boost it would gain little over 1x. For this reason, many people would prefer to remove the GIL and replace it with many more fine grained locks so contention between busy threads is reduced. The problem here is that single threaded code performance may be hurt a bit by having to deal with so many more locks (constantly acquiring and releasing them). Another problem is the added complexity to the Python core. Guido has been against replacing the GIL with fine grained locks and instead recommends using multi process techniques. These techniques are obviously much simpler because multiple Python interpreters are running (one per process) and so there is no contention. Sharing data between processes becomes the challenge with this model, though. Another technique is to write CPU intensive code in a Python C extension such that the busy loop does not make any calls into the Python interpreter and so can can release the GIL and happily run flat out in its own thread (hopefully on another CPU core) alongside any other Python threads. Finally, with regards to Stackless Python, the aim here is to provide a framework for "better" development of applications that require concurrency. "Better" in this sense is more to do with the concurrency "interface" (microthreads, coroutines, etc vs threads) as well as readability and maintainability. Stackless does not take advantage of multiple CPU cores and so performance gains for CPU bound applications is limited. Ref http://stackoverflow.com/questions/377254/stackless-python-and-multicores I was interested to find recently that Stackless Python had been ported to the Sony PSP. If only I had some spare time to have a play. http://code.google.com/p/pspstacklesspython/ -- If anyone can get a demo or game up & running on a PSP to demonstrate at the pub meetup I'll happily by them a beer :-) Cheers, Chris From lljy at csse.unimelb.edu.au Wed Apr 1 06:27:10 2009 From: lljy at csse.unimelb.edu.au (Lars Yencken) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:27:10 +1100 Subject: [melbourne-pug] April pub meetup (21st April) In-Reply-To: <076A1C57-EBA6-4F2B-A91B-BADEDF3BB5CB@gmail.com> References: <313fdf960903311526k61d42ea9vfb82954de65a3fc9@mail.gmail.com> <205b41740903311550k45396f5fyd6f4a44ad6388915@mail.gmail.com> <1238540085.8306.4.camel@zeppe.itga.com.au> <076A1C57-EBA6-4F2B-A91B-BADEDF3BB5CB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <313fdf960903312127o9fd7193qaaabf31cdfa94616@mail.gmail.com> I'm sold, let's go there. It looks closest to Melbourne Central train station for those taking a train in/out. 2009/4/1 Richard Jones > On 01/04/2009, at 9:54 AM, Dave Collins wrote: > >> Horse bazaar 397 Little Lonsdale St, Melbourne >> http://www.horsebazaar.com.au/ >> >> is funky and free wifi >> > > Funky with free wifi sounds like a damn good combination! > > > Richard > > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, -T On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Lars Yencken wrote: > I'm sold, let's go there. > > It looks closest to Melbourne Central train station for those taking a > train in/out. > > 2009/4/1 Richard Jones > > On 01/04/2009, at 9:54 AM, Dave Collins wrote: >> >>> Horse bazaar 397 Little Lonsdale St, Melbourne >>> http://www.horsebazaar.com.au/ >>> >>> is funky and free wifi >>> >> >> Funky with free wifi sounds like a damn good combination! >> >> >> Richard >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> melbourne-pug mailing list >> melbourne-pug at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > -- -------------------------------------------------- Tennessee Leeuwenburg http://myownhat.blogspot.com/ "Don't believe everything you think" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I propose 6pm. > > Cheers, > -T >> >> > On 01/04/2009, at 9:54 AM, Dave Collins wrote: > >> Horse bazaar 397 Little Lonsdale St, Melbourne >> http://www.horsebazaar.com.au/ >> >> is funky and free wifi >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swifteye2 at msn.com Fri Apr 10 07:14:44 2009 From: swifteye2 at msn.com (swifteye2 at msn.com) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:14:44 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Australian students programming competition In-Reply-To: <43c8685c0903311554o1b0cbae7se5d31348ac9a79c@mail.gmail.com> References: <313fdf960903311526k61d42ea9vfb82954de65a3fc9@mail.gmail.com><205b41740903311550k45396f5fyd6f4a44ad6388915@mail.gmail.com> <43c8685c0903311554o1b0cbae7se5d31348ac9a79c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Some of us are too old these days. But if anyone is interested, even if it's just to tackle the sample problems then go to: http://www.sci.usq.edu.au/staff/deraadt/acc/index.html or just goggle Australia programming competition etc. Would people use Python? [Students get to choose 1 language, manual and IDE/command line set up, platform etc. I would prob use python Regards Clive . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 257 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lljy at csse.unimelb.edu.au Mon Apr 20 04:16:20 2009 From: lljy at csse.unimelb.edu.au (Lars Yencken) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:16:20 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Reminder: pub meetup tomorrow (21 Apr) Message-ID: <313fdf960904191916l5b957fb7ue731c47b6a133103@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Just a reminder that our pub meetup is happening tomorrow, for those who can come. When: Tue 21st Apr, 6pm onwards Where: Horse Bazaar , 397 Little Lonsdale St, Melbourne (map link ) Hope to see you there, Lars -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rasjid at familywilcox.net Tue Apr 21 06:06:01 2009 From: rasjid at familywilcox.net (Rasjid Wilcox) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:06:01 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Reminder: pub meetup tomorrow (21 Apr) In-Reply-To: <313fdf960904191916l5b957fb7ue731c47b6a133103@mail.gmail.com> References: <313fdf960904191916l5b957fb7ue731c47b6a133103@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ED4629.1080007@openminddev.net> Hi all, I was hoping to make it to the meetup - but other things have come up and I'm going to have to pass this time. Hopefully it will not be quite as long between this one and the next meetup. :-) Cheers, Rasjid. Lars Yencken wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a reminder that our pub meetup is happening tomorrow, for those > who can come. > > When: Tue 21st Apr, 6pm onwards > Where: Horse Bazaar , 397 Little > Lonsdale St, Melbourne (map link > ) > > Hope to see you there, > > Lars > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 06:15:35 2009 From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:15:35 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Reminder: pub meetup tomorrow (21 Apr) In-Reply-To: <49ED4629.1080007@openminddev.net> References: <313fdf960904191916l5b957fb7ue731c47b6a133103@mail.gmail.com> <49ED4629.1080007@openminddev.net> Message-ID: <43c8685c0904202115i6e48bdbew675e568c08aa0176@mail.gmail.com> No worries. To anyone still debating whether or not to come, I know there should be at least 4 or 5 people, so you definitely won't turn up to an empty meeting. There are probably a number more coming that I don't know about... Cheers, -T On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Rasjid Wilcox wrote: > Hi all, > > I was hoping to make it to the meetup - but other things have come up and > I'm going to have to pass this time. > > Hopefully it will not be quite as long between this one and the next > meetup. :-) > > Cheers, > > Rasjid. > > > Lars Yencken wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Just a reminder that our pub meetup is happening tomorrow, for those who >> can come. >> >> When: Tue 21st Apr, 6pm onwards >> Where: Horse Bazaar , 397 Little Lonsdale >> St, Melbourne (map link < >> http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=397+lt+lonsdale+st,+melbourne&sll=-37.798391,144.968719&sspn=0.169281,0.265045&ie=UTF8&ll=-37.812073,144.961917&spn=0.010985,0.016565&z=16 >> >) >> >> Hope to see you there, >> >> Lars >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> melbourne-pug mailing list >> melbourne-pug at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > -- -------------------------------------------------- Tennessee Leeuwenburg http://myownhat.blogspot.com/ "Don't believe everything you think" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm still planning on turning up, though I won't stay long as I'm fighting my daughter's jetlag (this makes sense to me, honest) Richard From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 06:40:25 2009 From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:40:25 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Reminder: pub meetup tomorrow (21 Apr) In-Reply-To: <67F172BD-9E33-4328-8029-B49C0C7BC9C8@gmail.com> References: <313fdf960904191916l5b957fb7ue731c47b6a133103@mail.gmail.com> <49ED4629.1080007@openminddev.net> <43c8685c0904202115i6e48bdbew675e568c08aa0176@mail.gmail.com> <67F172BD-9E33-4328-8029-B49C0C7BC9C8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43c8685c0904202140xad4905ci5e8faa51e4d9c1a7@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Richard Jones wrote: > On 21/04/2009, at 2:15 PM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote: > >> No worries. To anyone still debating whether or not to come, I know there >> should be at least 4 or 5 people, so you definitely won't turn up to an >> empty meeting. There are probably a number more coming that I don't know >> about... >> > > I'm still planning on turning up, though I won't stay long as I'm fighting > my daughter's jetlag (this makes sense to me, honest) I understand the sentiment, if not the details :) ... It will at least be nice to catch up with you again! Cheers, -T -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djon00 at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 06:29:49 2009 From: djon00 at gmail.com (John Barratt) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:29:49 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Reminder: pub meetup tomorrow (21 Apr) In-Reply-To: <43c8685c0904202115i6e48bdbew675e568c08aa0176@mail.gmail.com> References: <313fdf960904191916l5b957fb7ue731c47b6a133103@mail.gmail.com> <49ED4629.1080007@openminddev.net> <43c8685c0904202115i6e48bdbew675e568c08aa0176@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ED4BBD.2000004@gmail.com> Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote: > No worries. To anyone still debating whether or not to come, I know > there should be at least 4 or 5 people, so you definitely won't turn up > to an empty meeting. There are probably a number more coming that I > don't know about... Yes, at least one more. I'll be there too. Cheers, JB. > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Rasjid Wilcox > wrote: > > Hi all, > > I was hoping to make it to the meetup - but other things have come > up and I'm going to have to pass this time. > > Hopefully it will not be quite as long between this one and the next > meetup. :-) > > Cheers, > > Rasjid. > > > Lars Yencken wrote: > > Hi all, > > Just a reminder that our pub meetup is happening tomorrow, for > those who can come. > > When: Tue 21st Apr, 6pm onwards > Where: Horse Bazaar , 397 Little > Lonsdale St, Melbourne (map link > >) > > > Hope to see you there, > > Lars > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > Tennessee Leeuwenburg > http://myownhat.blogspot.com/ > "Don't believe everything you think" > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug From minnov at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 07:05:24 2009 From: minnov at gmail.com (Mohamed Barwani) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:05:24 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Reminder: pub meetup tomorrow (21 Apr) In-Reply-To: <49ED4BBD.2000004@gmail.com> References: <313fdf960904191916l5b957fb7ue731c47b6a133103@mail.gmail.com> <49ED4629.1080007@openminddev.net> <43c8685c0904202115i6e48bdbew675e568c08aa0176@mail.gmail.com> <49ED4BBD.2000004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <205b41740904202205h78b1eaf5hd64c202beaff04ca@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:29 PM, John Barratt wrote: > Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote: >> >> No worries. To anyone still debating whether or not to come, I know there >> should be at least 4 or 5 people, so you definitely won't turn up to an >> empty meeting. There are probably a number more coming that I don't know >> about... > > Yes, at least one more. ?I'll be there too. > Me too.. though a little late around 7pm.. Looking forward to meet you all.. -- Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent. -- R. D. Laing quotes From miles.chris at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 07:41:46 2009 From: miles.chris at gmail.com (Chris Miles) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:41:46 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Reminder: pub meetup tomorrow (21 Apr) In-Reply-To: <49ED4629.1080007@openminddev.net> References: <313fdf960904191916l5b957fb7ue731c47b6a133103@mail.gmail.com> <49ED4629.1080007@openminddev.net> Message-ID: <0832CE31-5598-45A8-A8AF-9BF8C7150788@gmail.com> Same here, can't make this one after all, but will hopefully be at the next one. Cheers, Chris On 21/04/2009, at 2:06 PM, Rasjid Wilcox wrote: > Hi all, > > I was hoping to make it to the meetup - but other things have come > up and I'm going to have to pass this time. > > Hopefully it will not be quite as long between this one and the next > meetup. :-) > > Cheers, > > Rasjid. > > > Lars Yencken wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Just a reminder that our pub meetup is happening tomorrow, for >> those who can come. >> >> When: Tue 21st Apr, 6pm onwards >> Where: Horse Bazaar , 397 Little >> Lonsdale St, Melbourne (map link > >) >> >> Hope to see you there, >> >> Lars From paj-pug at johnsy.com Wed Apr 22 01:27:08 2009 From: paj-pug at johnsy.com (Pete Johns) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:27:08 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Pub meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090421232708.GN17681@johnsy.com> Hi folks, Was good to meet you last night, having only just discovered this list yesterday morning. Hopefully next time I shall be able to stay for dinner. Best regards; --paj From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 01:43:18 2009 From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:43:18 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Pub meetup In-Reply-To: <20090421232708.GN17681@johnsy.com> References: <20090421232708.GN17681@johnsy.com> Message-ID: <43c8685c0904211643s74442e9w38b1220302f72c97@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, it was a good night. Good to meet new faces, catch up with some people I already knew. I found that the pub-then-dinner format let me spend time catching up with people, which I liked. Cheers, -T On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Pete Johns wrote: > Hi folks, > > Was good to meet you last night, having only just discovered this > list yesterday morning. Hopefully next time I shall be able to > stay for dinner. > > Best regards; > > > --paj > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > -- -------------------------------------------------- Tennessee Leeuwenburg http://myownhat.blogspot.com/ "Don't believe everything you think" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lljy at csse.unimelb.edu.au Wed Apr 22 01:49:24 2009 From: lljy at csse.unimelb.edu.au (Lars Yencken) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:49:24 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Pub meetup In-Reply-To: <43c8685c0904211643s74442e9w38b1220302f72c97@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090421232708.GN17681@johnsy.com> <43c8685c0904211643s74442e9w38b1220302f72c97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <313fdf960904211649w1a7fccdaj5bd63e3c27ed901e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to everyone for coming. Let's do it again some time =) Lars 2009/4/22 Tennessee Leeuwenburg > Yeah, it was a good night. Good to meet new faces, catch up with some > people I already knew. I found that the pub-then-dinner format let me spend > time catching up with people, which I liked. > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Pete Johns wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> Was good to meet you last night, having only just discovered this >> list yesterday morning. Hopefully next time I shall be able to >> stay for dinner. >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vk3ukf at hotmail.com Thu Apr 23 13:22:58 2009 From: vk3ukf at hotmail.com (Kevin Forbes) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:22:58 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Test, please ignore Message-ID: Mailing list test by Kevin Forbes VK3UKF after signing up to MPUG. _________________________________________________________________ Looking to change your car this year? 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