[Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 on Ubuntu 18.04

[Odhiambo Washington]

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 22:37, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 12/9/18 10:14 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> >
> > In my quest to run Mailman3, I obtained a VM running Ubuntu 18.04 and
> > started on getting to run Mailman3.
> > I found this link -> https://github.com/iomarmochtar/mailman3_ei
> > It has instructions which looked fairly simple to get Mailman3 installed.
> > However, I did encounter some hitches since the script is not meant for
> > Ubuntu.
>
>
> First, a more appropriate list for Mailman 3 is
> mailman-users at mailman3.org
> <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users@mailman3.org/>.
>

I am shifting to that list, after this.


>
> Also, we find it very difficult to address issues arising from third
> party packages and how-tos. See <https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344>.
>
> And, there is a Mailman 3 package for Debian/Ubuntu
>
> apt install mailman3-full
>

In all my searching, I never found this in any documentation. I must have
been searching in the wild, or my FreeBSD-mindedness got me stuck to
containers and VENVs.


> > With a few runs and observing the logs and modifying the script at every
> > step it encountered and error, I finally managed to install Mailman3. It
> > seems this is what you guys call a virtual environment in the Linux
> world?
> > :-)
>
>
> I think the virtual environment in this case is a Python thing, not a
> Linux thing.
>

I agree with you on that.


> <snip>
>
>
> Much of what I snipped is specific to
> <https://github.com/iomarmochtar/mailman3_ei>, the details of which I'm
> not interested in learning.
>

That is fine. I have put it aside for now.


>
>
> >>From this point now is where I need help - serious help in smoothening
> > things up and getting to understand these venv stuff!
> >
> > So I did run 'service mailman3 start' but this seems to be waiting for
> too
> > long to drop me back into the CLI.
> > I also run 'systemctl start supervisord' and that seems to work. What I
> am
> > not sure is whether 'systemctl stop supervisord' actually does what it is
> > expected to do because after I execute it, I still see processes running
> > that I think are related.
> >
> > So far, I have been able to access the webUI on my VM using
> > https://N.N.N.N:9090
> > I created a domain.
> > But when I create a test list, I get an error - and I do not have a clue
> > which logfile would have the error details - nginx or mailman... (I am
> 100%
> > new to nginx).
>
>
> The nginx logs generally aren't too useful. Both Mailman core and Django
> write logs. Core's log is probably in var/log/mailman.log where is
> defined in mailman.cfg as var_dir. Django's log is defined in Django's
> settings in the LOGGING setting.
>

Which file contains Django's settings?


> > So now, I am stuck at:
> > 1. Creating the mailing list
> > 2. Getting to know whether the archiver is installed and running
> > 3. Knowing is there are cron jobs to be running (Mailman2 type of
> thinking!)
>
>
> See
> <http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html#configuring-cron-jobs
> >
> and
> <
> http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#scheduled-tasks-required
> >
>

Great to see that. I'll read and see if I make heads or tails of the
writeup.


> > Ultimately I need to figure out:
> > 1. How the mailman queue runners are started and stopped
>
> mailman start
>

Why not systemctl mailman start?? Just wondering, as that is what I am
seeing is common in Ubuntu.
Does this make the components start after a reboot?



> > 2. Migrate s few lists from Mailman2 to this Mailman3
>
> mailman import21
> <django management> hyperkitty_import
>

Please show me where that is documented. I have to pull my lists from an
old machine to this new one.


> > 3. Mailman3 should use MySQL storage and Exim4 as the MTA (I have
> > configured these bits in mailman.cfg)
>
>
> You also need to configure MySQL in Django. See the DATABASES setting in
> the Django settings.
>

So, when you talk about Django settings, you are referring to mailman.cfg
file??? :-)

I have spent all my weekend till now, trying to figure all this out. Life
seems a little easier with mm2.x ....

Thank you.


-- 
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, the cruft."