From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Wed Jan  1 22:28:41 2014
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 13:28:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejected or bounced messages.
Message-ID: <F7DDBE9E-0D40-4552-8E63-BA362696EC0B@gmail.com>

Hi, everyone.

I have received several messages returned as rejected that were sent by my Mailman server as the 1st of the month subscription reminder.

These messages contain a technical explanation about the reason for their rejection I don't understand but it seems to me it has something to do with the way the messages are formatted. I received several of these messages from a total of nearly 350 members we host at this moment.

I won't post the messages and their entire content but just some of the reasons for their rejection. Here they are:


MESSAGE 1:


I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

                  The mail system

<mail at epdot.com>: host mx1.megamailservers.com[216.251.32.71] said: 550
   5.7.1 s01D0qcI004613 This message does not comply with required standards.
   (in reply to end of DATA command)


MESSAGE 2:


I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

                  The mail system

<mail at me.com>: host mx6.me.com.akadns.net[17.158.8.114] said: 550
   5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: username at me.com (in reply to RCPT
   TO command)


MESSAGE 3:


I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

                  The mail system

<mail at cgocable.ca>: host mx2.cgocable.ca[216.221.81.40] said: 550 #5.1.0
   Address rejected. (in reply to RCPT TO command)


MESSAGE 4:


I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

                  The mail system

<mail at msn.com>: host mx2.hotmail.com[65.55.92.168] said: 550 Requested
   action not taken: mailbox unavailable (in reply to RCPT TO command)


Do you have any idea as to why these messages have been returned and what I need to do to resolve this issue ?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Joe.



From bsfinkel at att.net  Wed Jan  1 23:03:40 2014
From: bsfinkel at att.net (Barry S. Finkel)
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:03:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejected or bounced messages.
In-Reply-To: <F7DDBE9E-0D40-4552-8E63-BA362696EC0B@gmail.com>
References: <F7DDBE9E-0D40-4552-8E63-BA362696EC0B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52C490BC.1040101@att.net>

On 1/1/2014 3:28 PM, Joe wrote:
> Hi, everyone.
>
> I have received several messages returned as rejected that were sent by my Mailman server as the 1st of the month subscription reminder.
>
> These messages contain a technical explanation about the reason for their rejection I don't understand but it seems to me it has something to do with the way the messages are formatted. I received several of these messages from a total of nearly 350 members we host at this moment.
>
> I won't post the messages and their entire content but just some of the reasons for their rejection. Here they are:
>
>
> MESSAGE 1:
>
>
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
>
> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
>
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the attached returned message.
>
>                    The mail system
>
> <mail at epdot.com>: host mx1.megamailservers.com[216.251.32.71] said: 550
>     5.7.1 s01D0qcI004613 This message does not comply with required standards.
>     (in reply to end of DATA command)
>
>
> MESSAGE 2:
>
>
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
>
> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
>
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the attached returned message.
>
>                    The mail system
>
> <mail at me.com>: host mx6.me.com.akadns.net[17.158.8.114] said: 550
>     5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: username at me.com (in reply to RCPT
>     TO command)
>
>
> MESSAGE 3:
>
>
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
>
> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
>
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the attached returned message.
>
>                    The mail system
>
> <mail at cgocable.ca>: host mx2.cgocable.ca[216.221.81.40] said: 550 #5.1.0
>     Address rejected. (in reply to RCPT TO command)
>
>
> MESSAGE 4:
>
>
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
>
> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
>
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the attached returned message.
>
>                    The mail system
>
> <mail at msn.com>: host mx2.hotmail.com[65.55.92.168] said: 550 Requested
>     action not taken: mailbox unavailable (in reply to RCPT TO command)
>
>
> Do you have any idea as to why these messages have been returned and what I need to do to resolve this issue ?
>
> Thank you in advance for your help.
>
> Joe.


Message 1: This message does not comply with required standards.

I have no idea.

-----

Message 2: <mail at me.com>: ...  unknown or illegal alias: username at me.com

It appears that the e-mail alias table at the destination is bad.
The e-mail alias "username" points to the mailbox "mail".
Maybe that mailbox does not exist.

-----

Message 3: Address rejected

The mailbox does not exist.

-----

Message 4: mailbox unavailable

The mailbox does not exist.

--Barry Finkel


From brennan at columbia.edu  Wed Jan  1 23:33:20 2014
From: brennan at columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2014 17:33:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejected or bounced messages.
In-Reply-To: <F7DDBE9E-0D40-4552-8E63-BA362696EC0B@gmail.com>
References: <F7DDBE9E-0D40-4552-8E63-BA362696EC0B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D8DEC0348FF6C9BA282FF650@JOSEPHs-iMac.local>


These three were stopped after RCPT, so the problem is not about content. 
Most likely the recipient address is not deliverable.

<mail at me.com>: host mx6.me.com.akadns.net[17.158.8.114] said: 550
   5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: username at me.com (in reply to RCPT
   TO command)

<mail at cgocable.ca>: host mx2.cgocable.ca[216.221.81.40] said: 550 #5.1.0
   Address rejected. (in reply to RCPT TO command)

<mail at msn.com>: host mx2.hotmail.com[65.55.92.168] said: 550 Requested
   action not taken: mailbox unavailable (in reply to RCPT TO command)




The first one is the unusual case.

<mail at epdot.com>: host mx1.megamailservers.com[216.251.32.71] said: 550
   5.7.1 s01D0qcI004613 This message does not comply with required 
standards.
   (in reply to end of DATA command)

I've never seen this error before.

Google "This message does not comply with required standards" to find a lot 
of people speculating about what it means, going back to 2006. They all 
relate it to Exchange or Outlook, but mx1.megamailservers.com says it is 
running Sendmail 8.13.6, and this is not a standard sendmail error message. 
So it's a custom filter on megamailservers.com.

Here's an example involving Mailman and megamailservers.com from 2007!
<http://list.web.net/archives/getsmart-l/2007-December/002525.html>
... with complete message attached. I don't see anything wrong with it.


Joseph Brennan
Columbia University IT








From bsfinkel at att.net  Wed Jan  1 23:47:45 2014
From: bsfinkel at att.net (Barry S. Finkel)
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:47:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejected or bounced messages.
In-Reply-To: <D8DEC0348FF6C9BA282FF650@JOSEPHs-iMac.local>
References: <F7DDBE9E-0D40-4552-8E63-BA362696EC0B@gmail.com>
 <D8DEC0348FF6C9BA282FF650@JOSEPHs-iMac.local>
Message-ID: <52C49B11.7070703@att.net>

On 1/1/2014 4:33 PM, Joseph Brennan wrote:
>
> These three were stopped after RCPT, so the problem is not about
> content. Most likely the recipient address is not deliverable.
>
> <mail at me.com>: host mx6.me.com.akadns.net[17.158.8.114] said: 550
>    5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: username at me.com (in reply to RCPT
>    TO command)
>
> <mail at cgocable.ca>: host mx2.cgocable.ca[216.221.81.40] said: 550 #5.1.0
>    Address rejected. (in reply to RCPT TO command)
>
> <mail at msn.com>: host mx2.hotmail.com[65.55.92.168] said: 550 Requested
>    action not taken: mailbox unavailable (in reply to RCPT TO command)
>
>
>
>
> The first one is the unusual case.
>
> <mail at epdot.com>: host mx1.megamailservers.com[216.251.32.71] said: 550
>    5.7.1 s01D0qcI004613 This message does not comply with required
> standards.
>    (in reply to end of DATA command)
>
> I've never seen this error before.
>
> Google "This message does not comply with required standards" to find a
> lot of people speculating about what it means, going back to 2006. They
> all relate it to Exchange or Outlook, but mx1.megamailservers.com says
> it is running Sendmail 8.13.6, and this is not a standard sendmail error
> message. So it's a custom filter on megamailservers.com.
>
> Here's an example involving Mailman and megamailservers.com from 2007!
> <http://list.web.net/archives/getsmart-l/2007-December/002525.html>
> ... with complete message attached. I don't see anything wrong with it.
>
>
> Joseph Brennan
> Columbia University IT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------



I did a Google search, and it appears that the destination mailer
found something objectionable with the mail (maybe a URL that
it did not trust, or the mail was to be flagged as spam),
so the destination mailer terminated the SMTP session
with a fatal 5.7.1 error message.  Most of the sites I saw
were, as Joseph noted, from Outlook or Exchange users who were
trying to blame MS, when it was the sending MS mailer that was
reporting what the destination mailer reported during the SMTP
dialog.  There must be some anti-spam/malware software running
on the destination mailer that is treating something in the mail
as objectionable.  If I remember the SMTP standard correctly,
mail can be rejected during the DATA phase of the dialog.

In the other three examples, the sender sent the SMTP command

      RCPT TO:<user at example.com>

and the destination mailer rejected the mail at that point because
the mailbox did not exist.  It is always better to reject a mail
message during the SMTP dialog because, once the mail has been
received, it is harder to reject the mail and notify the sending
system.

--Barry Finkel


From gaa at ulticom.com  Thu Jan  2 15:42:16 2014
From: gaa at ulticom.com (Gary Algier)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 09:42:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD run once?
Message-ID: <52C57AC8.7000503@ulticom.com>

Hi,

I just installed a new Mailman (2.1.12) server on Centos 6.4.  I used the 
POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD mechanism to automatically process the aliases even though I 
am using Sendmail (8.14.4).   I have it invoking:
	/usr/bin/sudo /etc/mail/import-mailman-aliases
which runs:
	/bin/cp /etc/mailman/aliases /etc/mail/mailman.aliases
	/usr/bin/newaliases
(This idea came from: 
http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Integrating+Mailman+with+Sendmail+-+Method+2)

This works, but I noticed that it invokes newalias once for each Mailman list. 
  This seems to be because genaliases runs the command once with one list, 
then again with two lists, again with three, etc. until all the lists are 
processed.

I am concerned that if I add a new list to Mailman just as email is coming in 
then it could be rejected because many of the aliases will not exist for a 
short time.

Does anyone know of a way to only do the newalias command when the supplied 
file is complete?  Or can the genaliases mechanism build the whole file before 
calling the POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD just once at the end?


-- 
Gary Algier, WB2FWZ          gaa at ulticom.com             +1 856 787 2758
Ulticom Inc., 1020 Briggs Rd, Mt. Laurel, NJ 08054      Fax:+1 856 866 2033

Nielsen's First Law of Computer Manuals:
     People don't read documentation voluntarily.

From adriencollins22160 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  2 09:09:12 2014
From: adriencollins22160 at gmail.com (Adrien Collins)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 09:09:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] members of my group not being able to send messages
Message-ID: <02cf01cf0791$ee874ad0$cb95e070$@com>

Hi 

I run a small friendly group, a couple of members are using
the same isp, they are having problems sending messages to
the group on mailman and also receiving messages from the
group, not sure what I can do about this? Any suggestions
please? Not everyone is tech savi so explaining some issues
is a bit difficult. I understand but trying to tell others
the same things may be difficult, 
Regards

Adrien




From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Thu Jan  2 18:41:04 2014
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 12:41:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] members of my group not being able to send
	messages
In-Reply-To: <02cf01cf0791$ee874ad0$cb95e070$@com>
References: <02cf01cf0791$ee874ad0$cb95e070$@com>
Message-ID: <52C5A4B0.4070209@libertytrek.org>

On 2014-01-02 3:09 AM, Adrien Collins <adriencollins22160 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I run a small friendly group, a couple of members are using
> the same isp, they are having problems sending messages to
> the group on mailman and also receiving messages from the
> group, not sure what I can do about this? Any suggestions
> please? Not everyone is tech savi so explaining some issues
> is a bit difficult. I understand but trying to tell others
> the same things may be difficult,

Well, you didn't really provide enough information for anyone to even 
hazard a WAG...

'It doesn't work' simply isn't enough.

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan  2 21:54:27 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 12:54:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD run once?
In-Reply-To: <52C57AC8.7000503@ulticom.com>
References: <52C57AC8.7000503@ulticom.com>
Message-ID: <52C5D203.1090300@msapiro.net>

On 01/02/2014 06:42 AM, Gary Algier wrote:
> 
> This works, but I noticed that it invokes newalias once for each Mailman
> list.  This seems to be because genaliases runs the command once with
> one list, then again with two lists, again with three, etc. until all
> the lists are processed.


This is bug <https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266408> and was
fixed in Mailman 2.1.15. If you can't upgrade, the fix is at
<http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/revision/1291>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From bsfinkel at att.net  Thu Jan  2 23:01:02 2014
From: bsfinkel at att.net (Barry S. Finkel)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:01:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD run once?
In-Reply-To: <52C57AC8.7000503@ulticom.com>
References: <52C57AC8.7000503@ulticom.com>
Message-ID: <52C5E19E.7080203@att.net>

On 1/2/2014 8:42 AM, Gary Algier wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just installed a new Mailman (2.1.12) server on Centos 6.4.


One question I have had for a while - As 2.1.17 is the latest release
Mailman, why do people do new installations with versions that
are old?

2.1.12 released 2009-02-23
2.1.17 released 2013-11-23

I did Google searches, and I found that CentOS 6.4 was released
May 23, 2013 and contains Mailman 2.1.12.  Is it too much to
expect an OS vendor to keep packages current?  I do not know if
CentOS is like Debian/Ubuntu, with lots of undocumented mods that
would have to be tested with a new release of the OS.

--Barry Finkel


From raguay at customct.com  Fri Jan  3 11:36:12 2014
From: raguay at customct.com (Richard Guay)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:36:12 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost Admin Password
Message-ID: <eeebbf64-a5a0-41f6-80a4-4ae284639920@Richards-Mac-mini.local>


Hi,


I have lost the admin password for my mailman mailing list on my web site. How would I reset it or retrieve it? I have looked and searched everywhere, but I have not found an answer. Thanks.


Sent with Let.ter(http://theletterapp.com)

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jan  3 17:59:04 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 08:59:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost Admin Password
In-Reply-To: <eeebbf64-a5a0-41f6-80a4-4ae284639920@Richards-Mac-mini.local>
References: <eeebbf64-a5a0-41f6-80a4-4ae284639920@Richards-Mac-mini.local>
Message-ID: <52C6EC58.2020309@msapiro.net>

On 01/03/2014 02:36 AM, Richard Guay wrote:
> 
> I have lost the admin password for my mailman mailing list on my web site. How would I reset it or retrieve it? I have looked and searched everywhere, but I have not found an answer. Thanks.


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/T4A9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From adriencollins22160 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  3 18:08:04 2014
From: adriencollins22160 at gmail.com (Adrien Collins)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:08:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe
Message-ID: <002401cf08a6$61633a40$2429aec0$@com>



Regards

Adrien



From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri Jan  3 18:13:06 2014
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 02:13:06 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD run once?
In-Reply-To: <52C5E19E.7080203@att.net>
References: <52C57AC8.7000503@ulticom.com>
	<52C5E19E.7080203@att.net>
Message-ID: <87lhyxj8f1.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Barry S. Finkel writes:

 > Is it too much to expect an OS vendor to keep packages current?

Yes, it is.

Both in practice (nobody actually manages it), and in principle (there
are very high costs to doing it and nobody's willing to pay them).

Even distros like RHEL can't afford to have everything up to date,
especially when "up to date" means different things to different
people, and, in fact, to different applications -- often enough one
runs into situations where one mission-critical app demands version x
of a library and another crucial program wants version x+2 of that
library because the API changed.

Rather than pay for a distro where *everything* is up-to-date by one
definition or another, it's typically cheaper to get a solid but free
(in both senses) distro and build your *mission-critical* programs
from source.



From frankly3d at gmail.com  Fri Jan  3 18:18:18 2014
From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:18:18 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <002401cf08a6$61633a40$2429aec0$@com>
References: <002401cf08a6$61633a40$2429aec0$@com>
Message-ID: <20140103171818.261562d1@frank01.frankly3d.home>

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:08:04 +0100
"Adrien Collins" <adriencollins22160 at gmail.com> wrote:


Look at the email footer

___
Regards,
Frank 
www.frankly3d.com


From frankly3d at gmail.com  Fri Jan  3 18:28:04 2014
From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:28:04 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD run once?
In-Reply-To: <52C5E19E.7080203@att.net>
References: <52C57AC8.7000503@ulticom.com>
	<52C5E19E.7080203@att.net>
Message-ID: <20140103172804.0951cb31@frank01.frankly3d.home>

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:01:02 -0600
"Barry S. Finkel" <bsfinkel at att.net> wrote:

> On 1/2/2014 8:42 AM, Gary Algier wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just installed a new Mailman (2.1.12) server on Centos 6.4.
> 
> 
> One question I have had for a while - As 2.1.17 is the latest release
> Mailman, why do people do new installations with versions that
> are old?
> 
> 2.1.12 released 2009-02-23
> 2.1.17 released 2013-11-23
> 
> I did Google searches, and I found that CentOS 6.4 was released
> May 23, 2013 and contains Mailman 2.1.12.  

CentOS prefer stability, #like other enterprise distros
for latest updates use *buntu, fedora etc..


___
Regards,
Frank 
www.frankly3d.com


From bsfinkel at att.net  Fri Jan  3 18:58:41 2014
From: bsfinkel at att.net (Barry S. Finkel)
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 11:58:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD run once?
In-Reply-To: <20140103172804.0951cb31@frank01.frankly3d.home>
References: <52C57AC8.7000503@ulticom.com>	<52C5E19E.7080203@att.net>
 <20140103172804.0951cb31@frank01.frankly3d.home>
Message-ID: <52C6FA51.9010904@att.net>

On 1/3/2014 11:28 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:01:02 -0600
> "Barry S. Finkel"<bsfinkel at att.net>  wrote:
>
>> >On 1/2/2014 8:42 AM, Gary Algier wrote:
>>> > >Hi,
>>> > >
>>> > >I just installed a new Mailman (2.1.12) server on Centos 6.4.
>> >
>> >
>> >One question I have had for a while - As 2.1.17 is the latest release
>> >Mailman, why do people do new installations with versions that
>> >are old?
>> >
>> >2.1.12 released 2009-02-23
>> >2.1.17 released 2013-11-23
>> >
>> >I did Google searches, and I found that CentOS 6.4 was released
>> >May 23, 2013 and contains Mailman 2.1.12.
> CentOS prefer stability, #like other enterprise distros
> for latest updates use *buntu, fedora etc..
>
>
> ___
> Regards,
> Frank
> www.frankly3d.com


When I was working as a systems programmer with an IBM mainframe,
there was one piece of critical software that the applications
group would not let me patch.  "If it isn't broken, don't fix it".
Then, they were installing an add-on that required a patch to be
installed.  Installing that one patch involved installing over
1600 patches, and IBM had to write a fix for me because the IBM
software that controls installation of system software had problems
with the installation of that many patches at once.  And, the
applications group had begun using their test system for production
work, so they had no system on which to test the patched software.

When I was managing a Mailman installation, I kept Mailman
up-to-date, because I never knew when one of my lists would
encounter a bug that had already been fixed.

--Barry Finkel

From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri Jan  3 21:52:31 2014
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 05:52:31 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD run once?
In-Reply-To: <52C6FA51.9010904@att.net>
References: <52C57AC8.7000503@ulticom.com> <52C5E19E.7080203@att.net>
 <20140103172804.0951cb31@frank01.frankly3d.home>
 <52C6FA51.9010904@att.net>
Message-ID: <87eh4okcts.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Barry S. Finkel writes:

 > When I was working as a systems programmer with an IBM mainframe,

Interesting anecdote, but it addresses the wrong end of the issue.  We
already know that distros should keep their packages up to date.  The
question is why that doesn't happen.  This:

 > When I was managing a Mailman installation, I kept Mailman
 > up-to-date, because I never knew when one of my lists would
 > encounter a bug that had already been fixed.

leads to a more interesting question: And to which distribution did
you contribute package control files to allow all the users of that
distribution to benefit from your work?  And did they immediately
install them, or did their QA group dither about testing them for
months?

What we try to do in XEmacs is allow the upstream developer to commit
directly to our package repository.  But even then not all do, and we
don't really have a QA process (except for beta testing, so in
practice we're never out of beta for most packages :-).  Few users are
willing to contribute maintenance, although many contribute "first
draft" patches and even whole packages.

It's not an easy problem.



From bsfinkel at att.net  Fri Jan  3 22:13:02 2014
From: bsfinkel at att.net (Barry S. Finkel)
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:13:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD run once?
In-Reply-To: <87eh4okcts.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <52C57AC8.7000503@ulticom.com>	<52C5E19E.7080203@att.net>	<20140103172804.0951cb31@frank01.frankly3d.home>	<52C6FA51.9010904@att.net>
 <87eh4okcts.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <52C727DE.7070205@att.net>

On 1/3/2014 2:52 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Barry S. Finkel writes:
>
>   > When I was working as a systems programmer with an IBM mainframe,
>
> Interesting anecdote, but it addresses the wrong end of the issue.  We
> already know that distros should keep their packages up to date.  The
> question is why that doesn't happen.  This:
>
>   > When I was managing a Mailman installation, I kept Mailman
>   > up-to-date, because I never knew when one of my lists would
>   > encounter a bug that had already been fixed.
>
> leads to a more interesting question: And to which distribution did
> you contribute package control files to allow all the users of that
> distribution to benefit from your work?  And did they immediately
> install them, or did their QA group dither about testing them for
> months?
>
> What we try to do in XEmacs is allow the upstream developer to commit
> directly to our package repository.  But even then not all do, and we
> don't really have a QA process (except for beta testing, so in
> practice we're never out of beta for most packages :-).  Few users are
> willing to contribute maintenance, although many contribute "first
> draft" patches and even whole packages.
>
> It's not an easy problem.
>

I was using Ubuntu, and my management told me that I had to
install a package.  So I spent some time learning how to take
the Debian/Ubuntu package, merge the current SourceForge source,
and generate a new package.  I have posted on this list that I
did this.  Only one person has requested info on what I did.

The problem I had with the Debian/Ubuntu package, besides the
fact that it was not the current version and that help might not
be available via this mailing list, was that there were a large
number of patches installed by the Debian support group.
Most of those patches were not documented, and I had no idea
what they did (or if they were needed).  IIRC, Mark looked at
the patches a few years ago.  There also was one patch that
deleted a library that, in some cases, was needed by Mailman.

When I built a new package from the current source I knew

1) exactly what code I was running, and

2) that I could receive excellent support from this list.

The problem, as I see it, with the Debian method is that when
Mark announces a new release of Mailman, the Debian support group
has to spend time re-fitting their patches.  The ONLY Debian patch
that I kept was one that placed the Mailman libraries in the
proper directories for Debian/Ubuntu.

--Barry Finkel


From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Jan  4 04:11:10 2014
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:11:10 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD run once?
In-Reply-To: <52C727DE.7070205@att.net>
References: <52C57AC8.7000503@ulticom.com> <52C5E19E.7080203@att.net>
 <20140103172804.0951cb31@frank01.frankly3d.home>
 <52C6FA51.9010904@att.net>
 <87eh4okcts.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
 <52C727DE.7070205@att.net>
Message-ID: <87bnzsjvap.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Barry S. Finkel writes:

 > I was using Ubuntu, and my management told me that I had to
 > install a package.

Aside from the fact that it made work for you, did you disagree with
that decision?  I don't (although I don't practice what I preach, I
admit -- but I would if I was maintaining a Mailman installation for
an organization rather than for a personal host, or if I didn't change
distributions frequently enough that learning packaging systems is
more annoying than it's worth).

 > So I spent some time learning how to take the Debian/Ubuntu
 > package, merge the current SourceForge source, and generate a new
 > package.  I have posted on this list that I did this.  Only one
 > person has requested info on what I did.

Which is not surprising.  Few people are working for enlightened
managements like yours.  (Individuals like me are likely to shortcut
that step, you really do need a management, and an enlightened one at
that, in the picture.)

But posting here, although generous (I'm not being sarcastic) of you,
was way insufficient, you see. :-)  What in an ideal :-P world you
would have done was to post that information to the Debian (or Ubuntu)
Mailman packagers, along with reviews of the existing patches, test
cases demonstrating that Mailman DTRTs without the patches you propose
deleting, and documentation (reviewed and revised, or new, as
appropriate) for the patches you propose to continue.  Then followed
up with the discussion.  Yeah, right, like you have the time or
expertise to do that.  And if you think a simple contribution of your
working version of the deb-control files would mostly be ignored, I
think I agree with you.

But you know what?  Barry himself is a Canonical employee (at least,
the last time he mentioned his employment status to me he was), but
his time is considered too valuable to allow him to maintain Ubuntu's
Mailman package!

You could argue that there's something wrong with a world where Barry
isn't *assigned* to package Mailman (or perhaps the responsibility to
make sure somebody does an excellent job of it).  I could rebut but
not with total confidence, and it's way beyond the scope of this
discussion.

All I really want to do is to firmly nail down the proposition that in
practice you cannot expect distros to be up-to-date in *all* their
packages (and therefore must accept lags in packages important to you
sometimes), and make it plausible that they have sufficient reason to
allow substantial lags for some packages at any given time.

 > The problem I had with the Debian/Ubuntu package, besides the
 > fact that it was not the current version and that help might not
 > be available via this mailing list, was that there were a large
 > number of patches installed by the Debian support group.

I agree, that is a problem.  To the extent that they change Mailman's
behavior (eg, the execrable mailman-to-postfix script) they make our
job harder (yours ;-), mine, and most especially Mark's).

 > Most of those patches were not documented,

Some Debian package maintainers have sucky processes, and some
packages don't actually have maintainers, but some poor sucker who
believes that packages should be kept reasonably up-to-date, and
volunteers to do so for several packages that he or she doesn't know
all that much about.

Fixing this requires more labor.  Ideally, the process is so sucky
that a new process that requires *less* labor to review, *test*,
install, and *document* patches, remove unnecessary patches, and
inject into the distribution process can be designed.  Still, doing
that redesign requires a substantial amount of time invested in
process management, both by the maintainer and by a mentor.  And
sometimes the process is reasonably streamlined for the work it does,
but needs to do more work (eg, adding docs).  This may require the
"eclectic" type of maintainer to abandon some of their other packages.
That's not a happy ending for all!

 > The problem, as I see it, with the Debian method is that when
 > Mark announces a new release of Mailman, the Debian support group
 > has to spend time re-fitting their patches.  The ONLY Debian patch
 > that I kept was one that placed the Mailman libraries in the
 > proper directories for Debian/Ubuntu.

Doesn't surprise me.  But for one example, I suspect the Debian
Mailman package maintainer(s) disagree about the usefulness of the
mailman-to-postfix script.  Most of the regulars here (where "regular"
is defined at least to include you :-) have the inclination and
necessary knowledge to configure their MTAs by hand.  Debian clearly
believes that is *not* true of their "customers", which is why they
installed that script.

Ironically enough, that script was written for the *convenience* of
someone (Bruce Perens?) who was adept at maintaining his Postfix
aliases, and so didn't need the script to be 100.00% robust.  And it
wasn't and it isn't. :-P

All in all, a *very* hard problem.


From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Sat Jan  4 14:58:35 2014
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 08:58:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Admin pages repeatedly asking for password
	after server migration
Message-ID: <52C8138B.9000309@libertytrek.org>

Hello,

I have googled, and can't seem to find the exact answer to this question.

Cookies are enabled (I use the same browser to access the mailman admin 
pages on the old server and those don't do this)...

Would someone please point me to the FAQ page for how to resolve this 
(I'm sure it is easy, I just haven't been able to figure it out).

This was the last test on my checklist before I pull the trigger and do 
the last rsync of the emails before changing all of the DNS pointers to 
point to the new server.

Thanks

Charles

From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Sat Jan  4 15:47:55 2014
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:47:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SOLVED: Re: Mailman Admin pages repeatedly asking
 for password after server migration
In-Reply-To: <52C8138B.9000309@libertytrek.org>
References: <52C8138B.9000309@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <52C81F1B.7000000@libertytrek.org>

On 2014-01-04 8:58 AM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl at libertytrek.org> wrote:
> I have googled, and can't seem to find the exact answer to this question.
>
> Cookies are enabled (I use the same browser to access the mailman admin
> pages on the old server and those don't do this)...
>
> Would someone please point me to the FAQ page for how to resolve this
> (I'm sure it is easy, I just haven't been able to figure it out).
>
> This was the last test on my checklist before I pull the trigger and do
> the last rsync of the emails before changing all of the DNS pointers to
> point to the new server.

Never mind, was a DNS issue (testing, faking DNS entries, etc)...

From hawat.thufir at gmail.com  Sat Jan  4 21:15:04 2014
From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (thufir)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:15:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] has: root, expected list    permissions problem
Message-ID: <52C86BC8.5090107@gmail.com>

Oddly:

thufir at dur:~$
thufir at dur:~$ sudo /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms
/var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected list)
/var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root, expected list)
/var/lib/mailman/icons bad group (has: root, expected list)
/var/lib/mailman/mail bad group (has: root, expected list)
/var/lib/mailman/locks bad group (has: root, expected list)
/var/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected list)
/var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin bad group (has: root, expected list)
/var/lib/mailman/templates bad group (has: root, expected list)
/var/lib/mailman/bin bad group (has: root, expected list)
/var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list)
Problems found: 10
Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix
thufir at dur:~$


Is this some sort of installation problem with Ubuntu?  I don't get it, 
I installed
from apt.  Does this indicate that something went wrong with the install?


-Thufir



From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jan  4 21:30:56 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:30:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] has: root, expected list    permissions problem
In-Reply-To: <52C86BC8.5090107@gmail.com>
References: <52C86BC8.5090107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52C86F80.1010206@msapiro.net>

On 01/04/2014 12:15 PM, thufir wrote:
> Oddly:
> 
> thufir at dur:~$
> thufir at dur:~$ sudo /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms
> /var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected list)
> /var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root, expected list)
> /var/lib/mailman/icons bad group (has: root, expected list)
> /var/lib/mailman/mail bad group (has: root, expected list)
> /var/lib/mailman/locks bad group (has: root, expected list)
> /var/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected list)
> /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin bad group (has: root, expected list)
> /var/lib/mailman/templates bad group (has: root, expected list)
> /var/lib/mailman/bin bad group (has: root, expected list)
> /var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list)
> Problems found: 10
> Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix
> thufir at dur:~$
> 
> 
> Is this some sort of installation problem with Ubuntu?  I don't get it,
> I installed
> from apt.  Does this indicate that something went wrong with the install?


It may or may not indicate a packaging issue. Did you "Re-run as list
(or root) with -f flag to fix"? If not, do it. If you did it and the
issue isn't fixed, are the various /var/lib/mailman/* paths actual
directories or symlinks. If they are symlinks, you can ignore this as
the relevant user/group/mode is that of the target, not the symlink
itself, and check_perms can't actually modify the symlink.

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From asseline at telecom-paristech.fr  Sun Jan  5 17:00:09 2014
From: asseline at telecom-paristech.fr (Dominique Asselineau)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 17:00:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem after changing the server name
Message-ID: <20140105160009.GA28680@telecom-paristech.fr>

Hello,

With mailman 2.1.13-5 on Debian/Squeeze, i encountered a problem after
changing the name of the server.

The administration web pages of the existing lists, continue to use
the old server name.

It seeems the server name is encoded in file
/var/lib/mailman/lists/<list-name>/config.pck updated by the command
"config_list -i <config-file-name>", but i do not find manner to
modify the server name into those pages. host_name specifies only the
domain in the e-mail adresses.

Is there solution without recreating the lists?

Thank you for your help.

dom
-- 

From pshute at nuw.org.au  Sun Jan  5 11:08:57 2014
From: pshute at nuw.org.au (Peter Shute)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 21:08:57 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderating on an iPad
Message-ID: <5FA65C29-C23A-429E-93A9-0A177BC5B077@nuw.org.au>

I've been asked to moderate a mailman list, and it's easiest for me to do it on my iPad. I often (not always) find that when I reopen the browser to look at the moderation queue, when I click on the "reload page" link, it logs me out. 

I assume that what's happening is that iOS's multitasking has decided I haven't used the browser for a while, so it has closed it, so the cookie expires or something. Then when I reopen the browser, it restores the page how I left it, but it's not really logged in.

Does anyone know a way around this? The password for the list concerned is very difficult to type on the iOS keyboard, so just logging in again isn't an option. The browser doesn't offer to save the password like with some sites, not sure why.

I've tried the Mailman Moderator app, but it doesn't let me read messages, or see more than one item at a time.

Peter Shute

Sent from my iPad

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jan  5 18:05:03 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 09:05:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem after changing the server name
In-Reply-To: <20140105160009.GA28680@telecom-paristech.fr>
References: <20140105160009.GA28680@telecom-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <52C990BF.1050604@msapiro.net>

On 01/05/2014 08:00 AM, Dominique Asselineau wrote:
> 
> It seeems the server name is encoded in file
> /var/lib/mailman/lists/<list-name>/config.pck updated by the command
> "config_list -i <config-file-name>", but i do not find manner to
> modify the server name into those pages. host_name specifies only the
> domain in the e-mail adresses.


See the FAQs at <http://wiki.list.org/x/gIA9> and
<http://wiki.list.org/x/mIA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Sun Jan  5 18:24:31 2014
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 12:24:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem after changing the server name
In-Reply-To: <52C990BF.1050604@msapiro.net>
References: <20140105160009.GA28680@telecom-paristech.fr>
 <52C990BF.1050604@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <52C9954F.3060909@libertytrek.org>

On 2014-01-05 12:05 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> On 01/05/2014 08:00 AM, Dominique Asselineau wrote:
>>
>> It seeems the server name is encoded in file
>> /var/lib/mailman/lists/<list-name>/config.pck updated by the command
>> "config_list -i <config-file-name>", but i do not find manner to
>> modify the server name into those pages. host_name specifies only the
>> domain in the e-mail adresses.
>
>
> See the FAQs at <http://wiki.list.org/x/gIA9> and
> <http://wiki.list.org/x/mIA9>.

Thanks Dominique and Mark - I had completely forgotten about this after 
migrating everything to my new server yesterday.

Mark - the only setting that changed on mine is the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN, 
but I'm guessing I still need to do the full command.

So, before I do something dumb and blindly run the command and possibly 
mess up my lists (that seem to be working fine), I simply cd to the /bin 
directory, and run:

bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url -- [fix_url options]

?

Or do I need to actually specify something for the word 'options'?

Thanks again!

Charles

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jan  5 18:53:08 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 09:53:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem after changing the server name
In-Reply-To: <52C9954F.3060909@libertytrek.org>
References: <20140105160009.GA28680@telecom-paristech.fr>
 <52C990BF.1050604@msapiro.net> <52C9954F.3060909@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <52C99C04.5090402@msapiro.net>

On 01/05/2014 09:24 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> 
> Mark - the only setting that changed on mine is the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN,
> but I'm guessing I still need to do the full command.
> 
> So, before I do something dumb and blindly run the command and possibly
> mess up my lists (that seem to be working fine), I simply cd to the /bin
> directory, and run:
> 
> bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url -- [fix_url options]
> 
> ?
> 
> Or do I need to actually specify something for the word 'options'?


[fix_url options] in the above stands for those options (i.e., -u HOST
and/or -v) you might want to specify to fix_url.

Assuming you have only one URL domain and email domain and they are
properly set as DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, what you need
to run after changing DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN is just

bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url

or to see what it's doing

bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url -- -v

(the -- separates the fix_url options from the withlist options).

If you have multiple virtual hosts, it's more complicated. You need to run

bin/withlist -l -r fix_url LISTNAME -u HOSTNAME

where LISTNAME is a list name and HOSTNAME is the URL host for that list
separately for each list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Sun Jan  5 19:31:58 2014
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 13:31:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem after changing the server name
In-Reply-To: <52C99C04.5090402@msapiro.net>
References: <20140105160009.GA28680@telecom-paristech.fr>
 <52C990BF.1050604@msapiro.net> <52C9954F.3060909@libertytrek.org>
 <52C99C04.5090402@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <52C9A51E.6020507@libertytrek.org>

On 2014-01-05 12:53 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> Assuming you have only one URL domain and email domain and they are
> properly set as DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, what you need
> to run after changing DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN is just
>
> bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url
>
> or to see what it's doing
>
> bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url -- -v

Spot on as always, Mark, thx - and yeah, I just have the one domain, so 
it was easy peasy... took all of what, .5 seconds? :)

From hawat.thufir at gmail.com  Sun Jan  5 23:23:56 2014
From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (thufir)
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 14:23:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] has: root, expected list    permissions problem
In-Reply-To: <52C86F80.1010206@msapiro.net>
References: <52C86BC8.5090107@gmail.com> <52C86F80.1010206@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <52C9DB7C.3040104@gmail.com>


On 14-01-04 12:30 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
[...]
> It may or may not indicate a packaging issue. Did you "Re-run as list 
> (or root) with -f flag to fix"? If not, do it. If you did it and the 
> issue isn't fixed, are the various /var/lib/mailman/* paths actual 
> directories or symlinks. If they are symlinks, you can ignore this as 
> the relevant user/group/mode is that of the target, not the symlink 
> itself, and check_perms can't actually modify the symlink. See the FAQ 
> at <http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD>. 



I re-ran with the -f flag, then put on launchpad:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailman/+bug/1266288



-Thufir

From weinstock at conjelco.com  Mon Jan  6 03:23:05 2014
From: weinstock at conjelco.com (Chuck Weinstock)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 21:23:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gateway Timeout Issue
Message-ID: <D0305C5E-74F2-4B14-ACC6-FC0AC5DB8509@conjelco.com>

I have three mailman mailing lists running on a new server. When I try to open the admin or admindb interface and give it my password for one of the three lists I get a Gateway Timeout instead of it actually logging in. When I do this with either of the other two mailing lists it works fine. Clearly something is amiss with the one of the lists.

I can provide more information but I am not sure what to provide. 

Also, perhaps unrelated, the qrunner processes reach a maximum number of restarts and then shuts down?I have no idea how to debug this either.

Thanks for any help,

Chuck


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Jan  6 22:56:34 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 13:56:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gateway Timeout Issue
In-Reply-To: <D0305C5E-74F2-4B14-ACC6-FC0AC5DB8509@conjelco.com>
References: <D0305C5E-74F2-4B14-ACC6-FC0AC5DB8509@conjelco.com>
Message-ID: <52CB2692.7040002@msapiro.net>

On 01/05/2014 06:23 PM, Chuck Weinstock wrote:
> I have three mailman mailing lists running on a new server. When I try to open the admin or admindb interface and give it my password for one of the three lists I get a Gateway Timeout instead of it actually logging in. When I do this with either of the other two mailing lists it works fine. Clearly something is amiss with the one of the lists.


Possibly a stale lock problem. See the FAQ at <>.


> Also, perhaps unrelated, the qrunner processes reach a maximum number of restarts and then shuts down?I have no idea how to debug this either.


All qrunners or just some? What are Mailman's qrunner log entries when
the process dies? What is in Mailman's error log?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Jan  6 23:42:23 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 14:42:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gateway Timeout Issue
In-Reply-To: <52CB2692.7040002@msapiro.net>
References: <D0305C5E-74F2-4B14-ACC6-FC0AC5DB8509@conjelco.com>
 <52CB2692.7040002@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <52CB314F.6010508@msapiro.net>

On 01/06/2014 01:56 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 01/05/2014 06:23 PM, Chuck Weinstock wrote:
>> I have three mailman mailing lists running on a new server. When I try to open the admin or admindb interface and give it my password for one of the three lists I get a Gateway Timeout instead of it actually logging in. When I do this with either of the other two mailing lists it works fine. Clearly something is amiss with the one of the lists.
> 
> 
> Possibly a stale lock problem. See the FAQ at <>.


Sorry. The FAQ article is at <http://wiki.list.org/x/noA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan  7 02:46:39 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 17:46:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gateway Timeout Issue
In-Reply-To: <961C4BD5-81F0-4CA7-B947-F93978CB45A2@conjelco.com>
References: <D0305C5E-74F2-4B14-ACC6-FC0AC5DB8509@conjelco.com>
 <52CB2692.7040002@msapiro.net>
 <961C4BD5-81F0-4CA7-B947-F93978CB45A2@conjelco.com>
Message-ID: <52CB5C7F.2010905@msapiro.net>

On 01/06/2014 05:31 PM, Chuck Weinstock wrote:
> Thanks!
> 
> Yes to the stale lock problem. Regarding the other problem?the last time it shut down was January 1. Here are some of the qrunner log entries just prior to that:
> 
>> Dec 30 18:17:20 2013 (8351) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
>> (pid: 2209, sig: 9, sts: None, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
>> Dec 30 18:17:23 2013 (16892) ArchRunner qrunner started.
>> Dec 31 00:21:05 2013 (8351) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
>> (pid: 16892, sig: 9, sts: None, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
>> Dec 31 00:21:10 2013 (31527) ArchRunner qrunner started.
>> Dec 31 06:25:01 2013 (8351) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
>> (pid: 15347, sig: 9, sts: None, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
>> Dec 31 06:25:04 2013 (13794) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
>> Dec 31 12:28:51 2013 (8351) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
>> (pid: 13794, sig: 9, sts: None, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
>> Dec 31 12:28:53 2013 (28877) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
>> Dec 31 18:32:44 2013 (8351) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
>> (pid: 31527, sig: 9, sts: None, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
>> Dec 31 18:32:46 2013 (10916) ArchRunner qrunner started.
>> Jan 01 00:36:02 2014 (8351) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
>> (pid: 12268, sig: 9, sts: None, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
>> Jan 01 00:36:04 2014 (25317) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
>> Jan 01 12:43:48 2014 (8351) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
>> (pid: 10916, sig: 9, sts: None, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
>> Jan 01 12:43:50 2014 (22804) ArchRunner qrunner started.
>> Jan 01 15:22:22 2014 (8351) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
>> (pid: 28877, sig: 9, sts: None, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
>> Jan 01 15:22:22 2014 (8351) Qrunner IncomingRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting.


All of the above are signal 9 (SIGKILL). Do you have some cron or other
process that's SIGKILLing the qrunners in an attempt to keep them small
or for some other reason? See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/94A9>.


> Also there are no errors in the error log around the same time. I am seeing a bunch of errors (now) like:
> 
>> Jan 05 20:46:54 2014 (1522) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in/1388971910.759851+b18e7af8cb0632a2d9f551c9e39053510b278e9a.pck'
>> Jan 05 20:46:54 2014 (1522) Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 99, in _oneloop
>>     msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 154, in dequeue
>>     fp = open(filename)
>> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in/1388971910.759851+b18e7af8cb0632a2d9f551c9e39053510b278e9a.pck'
>>
>> Jan 05 20:46:54 2014 (1522) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1388971910.759851+b18e7af8cb0632a2d9f551c9e39053510b278e9a
>> Jan 05 20:46:54 2014 (1522) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in/1388971910.759851+b18e7af8cb0632a2d9f551c9e39053510b278e9a.bak
>> [Errno 2] No such file or directory
> 
> 
> I think these are related to some pck files that I hand deleted because I thought they were causing the stale lock problem.


I think these are because you have more than one qrunner processing the
same slice of the same queue. See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/_4A9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From steve at marmot.org  Wed Jan  8 00:18:11 2014
From: steve at marmot.org (Steve Lindemann)
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 16:18:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuration glitch causing mail delivery fail
Message-ID: <52CC8B33.4030503@marmot.org>

I recently moved my email server (with mailman) onto a new server with a 
different host name.  In previous moves the server name was always 
email.marmot.org (which has an mx record).    The server it's on now has 
a different name and does not have an mx record.  I did add the old IP 
address to the public interface so DNS still points to that box as the 
mail server and by the name email.marmot.org and I have that in /etc/hosts.

Unfortunately when mailman sends messages they fail to deliver to most 
of the list subscribers and the maillog shows that the helo used is the 
actual name of the server, not the name of the email server.  Naturally 
the receiving server disconnects when the names isn't right.

I could understand this with the move to the new server except every 
where I know to configure this (both postfix and mailman) I have the 
name email.marmot.org configured as the URL of the host.  Regular email 
works fine from that box, just mailman is having a problem sending.

Does anyone have any idea what I'm missing?
-- 
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Network Administrator                  //\\  ASCII Ribbon Campaign
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+1.970.242.3331 x116                   //\\  vCards & M$ attachments
http://www.marmot.org


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jan  8 00:40:14 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 15:40:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuration glitch causing mail delivery fail
In-Reply-To: <52CC8B33.4030503@marmot.org>
References: <52CC8B33.4030503@marmot.org>
Message-ID: <52CC905E.4080105@msapiro.net>

On 01/07/2014 03:18 PM, Steve Lindemann wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately when mailman sends messages they fail to deliver to most
> of the list subscribers and the maillog shows that the helo used is the
> actual name of the server, not the name of the email server.  Naturally
> the receiving server disconnects when the names isn't right.


How is Mailman delivering mail? If it is delivering to a local MTA on
localhost, how it identifies itself in HELO to this MTA is irrelevant as
it is this MTA, not Mailman that is attempting delivery to the recipient MX.


> I could understand this with the move to the new server except every
> where I know to configure this (both postfix and mailman) I have the
> name email.marmot.org configured as the URL of the host.  Regular email
> works fine from that box, just mailman is having a problem sending.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea what I'm missing?


In the normal case, Mailman relays mail through the local MTA (Postfix).
How Mailman identifies itself to this MTA is irrelevant as long as the
MTA accepts the mail from Mailman (does it)?

If the local postfix can deliver mail, but not Mailman's mail, the only
thing I can see that would affect this is the envelope sender which
would be LISTNAME-bounces at HOSTNAME where HOSTNAME is the list's
host_name attribute.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mrl at psfc.mit.edu  Tue Jan  7 22:51:00 2014
From: mrl at psfc.mit.edu (Mark London)
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 16:51:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Protect seeing the list of mailing lists,
	using htaccess, or similar?
Message-ID: <52CC76C4.8070305@psfc.mit.edu>

Hi - I want to hide our list of mailing lists from the public, but still 
make the list viewable to administrators.  Is this possible, i.e. 
through an htaccess file, or perhaps some other method? Thanks.

Mark London

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jan  8 05:38:08 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 20:38:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Protect seeing the list of mailing lists,
 using htaccess, or similar?
In-Reply-To: <52CC76C4.8070305@psfc.mit.edu>
References: <52CC76C4.8070305@psfc.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <52CCD630.3020507@msapiro.net>

On 01/07/2014 01:51 PM, Mark London wrote:
> Hi - I want to hide our list of mailing lists from the public, but still
> make the list viewable to administrators.  Is this possible, i.e.
> through an htaccess file, or perhaps some other method? Thanks.


If you mean that you want the listinfo overview at, e.g.,
http://example.com/mailman/listinfo/ to show no lists, but the admin
overview at , e.g., http://example.com/mailman/admin/ to show the lists,
this is not possible in Mailman without code modification, but even if
you could do it, you would also need to implement some kind of
authentication to prevent non-admins from seeing the
http://example.com/mailman/admin/ page.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From ricardo at americasnet.com  Wed Jan  8 22:48:15 2014
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 13:48:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please help,
	big problem with members being automatically unsubscribed
Message-ID: <CALR4AhTTfu3d=z-7MnkJN20mWdBEsuCHcOz6e+A4HzMkfC9LTw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to figure out what is happening that my lists are having
significant numbers of users unsubscribed automatically, even though I
turned off bounce processing.

It seems that the members being removed indeed have a number of bounces,
but if I turned off bounce processing how could this be happening?

Thanks for any suggestions
Ricardo

From steve at marmot.org  Wed Jan  8 22:43:30 2014
From: steve at marmot.org (Steve Lindemann)
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 14:43:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuration glitch causing mail delivery fail
 (FIXED)
In-Reply-To: <52CC905E.4080105@msapiro.net>
References: <52CC8B33.4030503@marmot.org> <52CC905E.4080105@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <52CDC682.3050101@marmot.org>

On 1/7/2014 4:40 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 01/07/2014 03:18 PM, Steve Lindemann wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately when mailman sends messages they fail to deliver to most
>> of the list subscribers and the maillog shows that the helo used is the
>> actual name of the server, not the name of the email server.  Naturally
>> the receiving server disconnects when the names isn't right.
>
>
> How is Mailman delivering mail? If it is delivering to a local MTA on
> localhost, how it identifies itself in HELO to this MTA is irrelevant as
> it is this MTA, not Mailman that is attempting delivery to the recipient MX.
>
>
>> I could understand this with the move to the new server except every
>> where I know to configure this (both postfix and mailman) I have the
>> name email.marmot.org configured as the URL of the host.  Regular email
>> works fine from that box, just mailman is having a problem sending.
>>
>> Does anyone have any idea what I'm missing?
>
>
> In the normal case, Mailman relays mail through the local MTA (Postfix).
> How Mailman identifies itself to this MTA is irrelevant as long as the
> MTA accepts the mail from Mailman (does it)?
>
> If the local postfix can deliver mail, but not Mailman's mail, the only
> thing I can see that would affect this is the envelope sender which
> would be LISTNAME-bounces at HOSTNAME where HOSTNAME is the list's
> host_name attribute.
>
Damn... that was fun.  It took two things to get it working again.  I 
needed to rename the server to something with a mx record, in this case: 
email.marmot.org vrs what it was.  AND I had to turn off ipv6 on the 
interfaces.  Mailman and postfix are on the same box.  Somehow the 
mailman messages where picking up the ipv6 localhost address as the 
source of the original message and it appears that being rejected by 
receiving servers.  Once I renamed the server and ditched ipv6 the 
messages started delivering again.
--
Steve

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan  9 01:31:33 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 16:31:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please help,
 big problem with members being automatically unsubscribed
In-Reply-To: <CALR4AhTTfu3d=z-7MnkJN20mWdBEsuCHcOz6e+A4HzMkfC9LTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALR4AhTTfu3d=z-7MnkJN20mWdBEsuCHcOz6e+A4HzMkfC9LTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52CDEDE5.6040901@msapiro.net>

On 01/08/2014 01:48 PM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> 
> It seems that the members being removed indeed have a number of bounces,
> but if I turned off bounce processing how could this be happening?


Turning off bounce processing will prevent new bounces from being
processed and disabling delivery, but members whose delivery is already
disabled by bounce will still be sent their warnings and ultimately be
unsubscribed by cron/disabled.

See the script at <http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/reset_bounce.py> for a
way to reenable delivery for all disabled by bounce members.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan  9 01:46:10 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 16:46:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuration glitch causing mail delivery fail
 (FIXED)
In-Reply-To: <52CDC682.3050101@marmot.org>
References: <52CC8B33.4030503@marmot.org> <52CC905E.4080105@msapiro.net>
 <52CDC682.3050101@marmot.org>
Message-ID: <52CDF152.1060700@msapiro.net>

On 01/08/2014 01:43 PM, Steve Lindemann wrote:

> Somehow the
> mailman messages where picking up the ipv6 localhost address as the
> source of the original message ...


Probably because the /etc/hosts entry for 'localhost' is the ipv6 address.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From pshute at nuw.org.au  Thu Jan  9 05:42:26 2014
From: pshute at nuw.org.au (Peter Shute)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:42:26 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User's emails being rejected for "content type not
 explicitly allowed"
Message-ID: <17C19BB4-B752-4447-9321-D7944AAC3713@nuw.org.au>

I've got one user whose emails always get bounced back with the message "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed'.

There are no attachments or images in the rejected emails that I can see. Where do I start looking to find out what it's objecting to? Note that we've just moved this list to a new list server, so it's likely to be something we've set wrongly on the new server.

There's a dkim-signature header in it. Could that be doing it?

I'm not an admin, so I don't have access to any of the list settings. What settings should I ask the admin for to help diagnose it?

Peter Shute

Sent from my iPad

From pshute at nuw.org.au  Thu Jan  9 06:13:16 2014
From: pshute at nuw.org.au (Peter Shute)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 16:13:16 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User's emails being rejected for "content type
 not explicitly allowed"
In-Reply-To: <17C19BB4-B752-4447-9321-D7944AAC3713@nuw.org.au>
References: <17C19BB4-B752-4447-9321-D7944AAC3713@nuw.org.au>
Message-ID: <150CDAA93B99944998130F5B1C4A2F1F452631ACB4@nuwvicms1>

I was looking at the message attached to the user's rejection email, but now that I look at the one attached to the moderator alert email, I can see that there's an html signature that appears to have been treated as a separate attachment of content-type application/unknown. What's the best way to deal with those?

Peter Shute

________________________________________
From: Mailman-Users [mailman-users-bounces+pshute=nuw.org.au at python.org] On Behalf Of Peter Shute [pshute at nuw.org.au]
Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 3:42 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User's emails being rejected for "content type not explicitly allowed"

I've got one user whose emails always get bounced back with the message "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed'.

There are no attachments or images in the rejected emails that I can see. Where do I start looking to find out what it's objecting to? Note that we've just moved this list to a new list server, so it's likely to be something we've set wrongly on the new server.

There's a dkim-signature header in it. Could that be doing it?

I'm not an admin, so I don't have access to any of the list settings. What settings should I ask the admin for to help diagnose it?

Peter Shute

Sent from my iPad
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From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan  9 06:43:38 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 21:43:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User's emails being rejected for "content type
 not explicitly allowed"
In-Reply-To: <150CDAA93B99944998130F5B1C4A2F1F452631ACB4@nuwvicms1>
References: <17C19BB4-B752-4447-9321-D7944AAC3713@nuw.org.au>
 <150CDAA93B99944998130F5B1C4A2F1F452631ACB4@nuwvicms1>
Message-ID: <52CE370A.9070500@msapiro.net>

On 01/08/2014 09:13 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
> I was looking at the message attached to the user's rejection email, but now that I look at the one attached to the moderator alert email, I can see that there's an html signature that appears to have been treated as a separate attachment of content-type application/unknown. What's the best way to deal with those?


That's not it.

Look at the list's content filtering options. What is happening is that
pass_mime_types is not empty and does not contain the content-type of
the message and filter_action is reject.

This most often happens when the content-type is text/html and that is
not allowed, but it can also happen for example it the message's
content-type is say multipart/related, and pass_mime_types contains
multipart/mixed and multipart/alternative but not multipart and not
multipart/related.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From doug at mrdirectint.com  Wed Jan  8 17:03:12 2014
From: doug at mrdirectint.com (Doug Hutson)
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 11:03:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter Blast sending duplicates to subscribers
Message-ID: <52CD76C0.4040205@mrdirectint.com>

Hi,

We've been using mailman for quite a long time now, and suddenly the 
last newsletter we sent out sent duplicates to random users as far as I 
can tell.

All the people that have e-mailed us about this issue were specifically 
yahoo addresses.  Reports of 4-50 duplicates per user were sent to 
them.  We only have one list of users we send users to, and this is the 
first time this has ever happened.

I have a few accounts added to the list myself, and my aol account did 
not recieve the email at all.  Previously the aol account received the 
messages, I had a couple of the newsletters in my account still unread.

So, my question specifically... does anybody have advice in what I 
should look for as to why this happened?  I read a post from 2002 that 
was somewhat similar to this issue, but it had to do with not haveing 
enough memory... and currently my server has 53gigs free, so that 
couldn't be the issue... unless of course you have to 'allocate' memory 
to mailman in some config file.   We have about 12k users on our list.

Thank you in advance, and let me know if I lacked some details to help 
solve my issue.

Thanks,
Doug

From webmaster at nvpbike.org  Wed Jan  8 17:58:21 2014
From: webmaster at nvpbike.org (Scott Chapman)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 11:58:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick mailman configuration question...
Message-ID: <CAK=vYUPfKKd_LYeaXxnCxeJ=rKWbxtxcwMn-B4cQr1z9+Dj+CQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have been poking around and trying to see if I can configure mailman to
not include the list in the email being sent?

The idea is we are going to be sending a newsletter and want to prevent
users from accidentally reply-all to the entire the group. Instead we want
it to only go back to the original poster.

Make sense?

Thanks in advance!

-Scott.

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan  9 07:06:42 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 22:06:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick mailman configuration question...
In-Reply-To: <CAK=vYUPfKKd_LYeaXxnCxeJ=rKWbxtxcwMn-B4cQr1z9+Dj+CQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK=vYUPfKKd_LYeaXxnCxeJ=rKWbxtxcwMn-B4cQr1z9+Dj+CQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52CE3C72.1080704@msapiro.net>

On 01/08/2014 08:58 AM, Scott Chapman wrote:
> 
> The idea is we are going to be sending a newsletter and want to prevent
> users from accidentally reply-all to the entire the group. Instead we want
> it to only go back to the original poster.


Mailman is designed primarily to support discussion lists and as such
takes great pains to ensure that 'reply all' includes the list.

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/3YA9> for our recommendations on
setting up a newsletter type list that subscribers can't post to.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan  9 07:10:12 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 22:10:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter Blast sending duplicates to
	subscribers
In-Reply-To: <52CD76C0.4040205@mrdirectint.com>
References: <52CD76C0.4040205@mrdirectint.com>
Message-ID: <52CE3D44.6080503@msapiro.net>

On 01/08/2014 08:03 AM, Doug Hutson wrote:
> 
> So, my question specifically... does anybody have advice in what I
> should look for as to why this happened?


Look at the logs from your outgoing MTA. These should show all the
interactions with Yahoo and at least give you clues.

For the missing AOL mail, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/4oA9>.

Also look at Mailman's 'smtp' and smtp-failure' logs.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com  Thu Jan  9 07:20:50 2014
From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 20:20:50 -1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter Blast sending duplicates to
	subscribers
In-Reply-To: <52CD76C0.4040205@mrdirectint.com>
References: <52CD76C0.4040205@mrdirectint.com>
Message-ID: <DA62F272-5602-479D-A8DE-C326F63B2093@stonejongleux.com>


On Jan 8, 2014, at 6:03 AM, Doug Hutson <doug at mrdirectint.com> wrote:

> We've been using mailman for quite a long time now, and suddenly the last newsletter we sent out sent duplicates to random users as far as I can tell.
> 
> All the people that have e-mailed us about this issue were specifically yahoo addresses.  Reports of 4-50 duplicates per user were sent to them.  We only have one list of users we send users to, and this is the first time this has ever happened.
> 
> 
> So, my question specifically... does anybody have advice in what I should look for as to why this happened?

I would start with looking at the logs of your mail server. You want to figure out where the duplication is occurring. Was it sent to Yahoo more than once? Or was it accepted by Yahoo just once? If the latter, the duplication is happening at Yahoo and it is not your problem to solve.

You didn?t say what mail server is being used but SMTP is designed not to lose mail. Therefore, a duplicate is preferable to losing mail. If the receiving SMTP server receives the mail but does not tell the sending server it has it (sending server sends ?end of message? but receiving server does not acknowledge), then the sending server assumes something went wrong and tries to send it again.

My guess would be it?s either happening between your outgoing SMTP server and Yahoo (or the next server if you?re relaying through another server) or internally in Yahoo. It?s very unlikely, particularly since you say it only happens with Yahoo, that it?s a problem in Mailman. Rather, it?s happening after Mailman is done with the message so is not a Mailman problem per se.

-- 
Larry Stone
lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
http://www.stonejongleux.com/




From gtaylor at tnetconsulting.net  Thu Jan  9 07:03:31 2014
From: gtaylor at tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor)
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 00:03:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter Blast sending duplicates to
	subscribers
In-Reply-To: <52CD76C0.4040205@mrdirectint.com>
References: <52CD76C0.4040205@mrdirectint.com>
Message-ID: <52CE3BB3.9010402@tnetconsulting.net>

On 1/8/14, 10:03 AM, Doug Hutson wrote:
> All the people that have e-mailed us about this issue were specifically
> yahoo addresses.  Reports of 4-50 duplicates per user were sent to
> them.  We only have one list of users we send users to, and this is the
> first time this has ever happened.

The few times that I ran in to this type of problem in the past were not 
Mailman issues at all.  Rather they were symptoms of underlying SMTP 
issues.  My clue when I fought this battle before was that the messages 
IDs down stream of my server(s) were different in each ""copy of the 
message.  When investigating in my SMTP logs, I found that the delivery 
attempts were failing in some manner and my SMTP server was considering 
the delivery a failure and would retry until it saw the expected 
response.  However, the receiving server did considered the delivery to 
be successful, and as such treated the message(s) as valid.  Ultimately, 
causing duplicated messages.

When investigating the SMTP issue, I found that the problem was related 
to network connectivity issues, specifically saturated connection on the 
receiving end.  -  Once I addressed (worked around) the connectivity 
issues, the duplicate messages cleared up immediately.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

From Peter.Heitzer at rz.uni-regensburg.de  Thu Jan  9 16:27:57 2014
From: Peter.Heitzer at rz.uni-regensburg.de (Peter Heitzer)
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 16:27:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Protect seeing the list of mailing lists,
 using htaccess, or similar?
In-Reply-To: <52CC76C4.8070305@psfc.mit.edu>
References: <52CC76C4.8070305@psfc.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <52CECE0D0200002C00019D66@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de>

>>> On 1/7/2014 at 22:51, Mark London <mrl at psfc.mit.edu> wrote: 
> Hi - I want to hide our list of mailing lists from the public, but still 
> make the list viewable to administrators.  Is this possible, i.e. 
> through an htaccess file, or perhaps some other method? Thanks.

You could run a cronjob that generates an html page with the appropriate links, e.g.
<a href=$mailmanbaseurl/listinfo/$listname>$listname</a>
and store the file on the private archive directory of a special list where only the list admins
have access to.
If an administrator enters the url $mailmanbaseurl/mailman/private/$speciallist/$infopage 
he or she can access the info page with all lists.

This method is rather crude, but requires no change of mailman code. Access control is via
mailman's mechanism.




From steve at marmot.org  Thu Jan  9 16:45:56 2014
From: steve at marmot.org (Steve Lindemann)
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 08:45:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuration glitch causing mail delivery fail
 (FIXED)
In-Reply-To: <52CDF152.1060700@msapiro.net>
References: <52CC8B33.4030503@marmot.org> <52CC905E.4080105@msapiro.net>
 <52CDC682.3050101@marmot.org> <52CDF152.1060700@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <52CEC434.10609@marmot.org>

On 1/8/2014 5:46 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 01/08/2014 01:43 PM, Steve Lindemann wrote:
>
>> Somehow the
>> mailman messages where picking up the ipv6 localhost address as the
>> source of the original message ...
>
>
> Probably because the /etc/hosts entry for 'localhost' is the ipv6 address.
>

oh damn... I never even thought to look there.  I really do need to 
remember to keep it simple and go with the basics.  Especially since 
turning ipv6 off in centos turned out to be a lot harder than I ever 
expected it should be.

The ipv6 localhost address was the second line in the hosts file and 
ipv4 was the first.  I thought the first line would have taken 
precedence unless mailman is specifically asking for the ipv6 localhost 
first.

Either way, I've cleaned that up now too.  Thanks!

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Thu Jan  9 16:52:24 2014
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:52:24 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Protect seeing the list of mailing lists,
 using htaccess, or similar?
In-Reply-To: <52CECE0D0200002C00019D66@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de>
References: <52CC76C4.8070305@psfc.mit.edu>
 <52CECE0D0200002C00019D66@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de>
Message-ID: <20140109155224.GL10820@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 04:27:57PM +0100, Peter Heitzer wrote:
> >>> On 1/7/2014 at 22:51, Mark London <mrl at psfc.mit.edu> wrote: 
> > Hi - I want to hide our list of mailing lists from the public, but still 
> > make the list viewable to administrators.  Is this possible, i.e. 
> > through an htaccess file, or perhaps some other method? Thanks.
> 
> You could run a cronjob that generates an html page with the appropriate links, e.g.
> <a href=$mailmanbaseurl/listinfo/$listname>$listname</a>
> and store the file on the private archive directory of a special list where only the list admins
> have access to.
> If an administrator enters the url $mailmanbaseurl/mailman/private/$speciallist/$infopage 
> he or she can access the info page with all lists.
> 
> This method is rather crude, but requires no change of mailman code. Access control is via
> mailman's mechanism.

Ugh. In Apache, you can use Auth in a <Location> stanza:

    http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_auth_basic.html

I've not tried it with a LocationMatch regexp, but ^/mailman/... might
work too.

-- 
"I try not to get drunk at lunchtime any earlier in the week than
 Thursday."
    -- Giles Coren

From astemerman at me.com  Thu Jan  9 14:28:30 2014
From: astemerman at me.com (andrew stemerman)
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 08:28:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Members Seeing Replies to Mass Email
Message-ID: <4D0099A5-7935-4BC6-AE69-6BB2B8C91094@me.com>

Everytime someone on the email list responds to the mass email, people on the list are seeing the response.

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan  9 17:57:50 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 08:57:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Members Seeing Replies to Mass Email
In-Reply-To: <4D0099A5-7935-4BC6-AE69-6BB2B8C91094@me.com>
References: <4D0099A5-7935-4BC6-AE69-6BB2B8C91094@me.com>
Message-ID: <52CED50E.2010806@msapiro.net>

On 01/09/2014 05:28 AM, andrew stemerman wrote:
> Everytime someone on the email list responds to the mass email, people on the list are seeing the response.


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/3YA9> for our recommendations for
setting up an list so that members can't respond to the list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From pshute at nuw.org.au  Mon Jan 13 02:21:21 2014
From: pshute at nuw.org.au (Peter Shute)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:21:21 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manual Weiel's moderating app?
Message-ID: <584E5E50-7FBF-4A85-A904-9B5795513F84@nuw.org.au>

I came across this thread about a moderating app written by Manuel Weiel:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg60445.html

I can't find it in the App Store. Is it still available somehow?

Sent from my iPad

From rh at identinetics.com  Sun Jan 12 14:51:48 2014
From: rh at identinetics.com (Rainer Hoerbe)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 14:51:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Alternative authentication mechanisms for Mailman
References: <D35E3725-3DE7-4A0A-8F16-DACCA7F93C4B@hoerbe.at>
Message-ID: <140C9BAE-4947-4B90-834A-D31AF9A80E3B@identinetics.com>

If one is using mailman in an environment that has some identity management system, such as Kerberos, a SAML federation or OAUTH, mailman should be integrated into such an single sign on system to get rid of passwords.

Although I hear rumors that CERN di such an integration for shibboleth, I could not find anything on the web, because it is so hard to google for a search term containing "mailman". Also, I did not find a hint on lists.org.

Does anybody have a link to answers on questions like this:
- How to do container-bases authentication for mailman? (e.g., use apache authentication like mod_ssl or mod_auth_kerb)
- Is there an integration fo mailman with shibboleth or another SAML product?
- Did someone integrate OAUTH2 or some social login (FB/LI/G+/TW)?

- Rainer


From mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de  Mon Jan 13 11:44:07 2014
From: mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de (Mailman Admin)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:44:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manual Weiel's moderating app?
In-Reply-To: <584E5E50-7FBF-4A85-A904-9B5795513F84@nuw.org.au>
References: <584E5E50-7FBF-4A85-A904-9B5795513F84@nuw.org.au>
Message-ID: <52D3C377.2020402@uni-konstanz.de>

Hello Peter Shute

Am 2014-01-13 02:21, schrieb Peter Shute:
> I came across this thread about a moderating app written by Manuel Weiel:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg60445.html
> 
> I can't find it in the App Store. Is it still available somehow?
> 

Did you try the given Link?
 http://cl.ly/DyCl

Kind regards,
Christian Mack

From pshute at nuw.org.au  Mon Jan 13 12:23:53 2014
From: pshute at nuw.org.au (Peter Shute)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:23:53 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manual Weiel's moderating app?
In-Reply-To: <52D3C377.2020402@uni-konstanz.de>
References: <584E5E50-7FBF-4A85-A904-9B5795513F84@nuw.org.au>
 <52D3C377.2020402@uni-konstanz.de>
Message-ID: <EF11D2C4-4077-44F6-8E9A-AE1A04F3436C@nuw.org.au>

Yes, it opens the App Store app (on my ipad), and then displays a blank white square. I suspect this means the link is no longer valid.

Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Jan 2014, at 9:45 pm, "Mailman Admin" <mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de> wrote:
> 
> Hello Peter Shute
> 
> Am 2014-01-13 02:21, schrieb Peter Shute:
>> I came across this thread about a moderating app written by Manuel Weiel:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg60445.html
>> 
>> I can't find it in the App Store. Is it still available somehow?
> 
> Did you try the given Link?
> http://cl.ly/DyCl
> 
> Kind regards,
> Christian Mack
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From stephen at xemacs.org  Mon Jan 13 14:17:33 2014
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:17:33 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Alternative authentication mechanisms for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <140C9BAE-4947-4B90-834A-D31AF9A80E3B@identinetics.com>
References: <D35E3725-3DE7-4A0A-8F16-DACCA7F93C4B@hoerbe.at>
 <140C9BAE-4947-4B90-834A-D31AF9A80E3B@identinetics.com>
Message-ID: <87ha98dnrm.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Rainer Hoerbe writes:

 > If one is using mailman in an environment that has some identity
 > management system, such as Kerberos, a SAML federation or OAUTH,
 > mailman should be integrated into such an single sign on system to
 > get rid of passwords.

Some work has been done on SSO (via Mozilla Persona) for Mailman 3's
admin interface but it's hardly ready for prime time last I heard.
AFAIK it's not yet available for the core or for the archives.

Nobody has contributed it yet for Mailman 2 to my knowledge.

None of the above is authoritative, but I'm usually fairly well-informed.


From harrison at utm.edu  Mon Jan 13 16:29:50 2014
From: harrison at utm.edu (Bruce Harrison)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 15:29:50 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manual Weiel's moderating app?
In-Reply-To: <52D3C377.2020402@uni-konstanz.de>
References: <584E5E50-7FBF-4A85-A904-9B5795513F84@nuw.org.au>
 <52D3C377.2020402@uni-konstanz.de>
Message-ID: <E6C16961ECB6B044A889CDAC6BA7B4B2014D65F3FF@EXCH2010MBOX1.utm.edu>

Link came back as "not available" in both the US and German iTunes store...

Bruce
UT Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+harrison=utm.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of Mailman Admin
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 4:44 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Manual Weiel's moderating app?

Hello Peter Shute

Am 2014-01-13 02:21, schrieb Peter Shute:
> I came across this thread about a moderating app written by Manuel Weiel:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg60445.html
> 
> I can't find it in the App Store. Is it still available somehow?
> 

Did you try the given Link?
 http://cl.ly/DyCl

Kind regards,
Christian Mack
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From pshute at nuw.org.au  Mon Jan 13 21:17:00 2014
From: pshute at nuw.org.au (Peter Shute)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 07:17:00 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manual Weiel's moderating app?
In-Reply-To: <E6C16961ECB6B044A889CDAC6BA7B4B2014D65F3FF@EXCH2010MBOX1.utm.edu>
References: <584E5E50-7FBF-4A85-A904-9B5795513F84@nuw.org.au>
 <52D3C377.2020402@uni-konstanz.de>
 <E6C16961ECB6B044A889CDAC6BA7B4B2014D65F3FF@EXCH2010MBOX1.utm.edu>
Message-ID: <9D062FC9-44A6-4758-9761-FFB0EB91F404@nuw.org.au>

Thanks for confirming that, and thanks to those who emailed me the link to these tweets, which indicates that he didn't renew his developer licence, so the app became unavailable:
https://mobile.twitter.com/iMailModerate

Pity, because it sounds like it did a lot more than the Mailman Moderator app, still available.

All I really need is a simple web browser for my iPad that will either stay logged into the moderator site, or can save the password. I've tried several, but none will do either.

Peter Shute

Sent from my iPad

On 14 Jan 2014, at 2:31 am, "Bruce Harrison" <harrison at utm.edu<mailto:harrison at utm.edu>> wrote:

Link came back as "not available" in both the US and German iTunes store...

Bruce
UT Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+harrison=utm.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of Mailman Admin
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 4:44 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org<mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Manual Weiel's moderating app?

Hello Peter Shute

Am 2014-01-13 02:21, schrieb Peter Shute:
I came across this thread about a moderating app written by Manuel Weiel:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg60445.html

I can't find it in the App Store. Is it still available somehow?


Did you try the given Link?
http://cl.ly/DyCl

Kind regards,
Christian Mack
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From ricardo at americasnet.com  Tue Jan 14 01:05:35 2014
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:05:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL for subscribe request
Message-ID: <CALR4AhTGPth-31-GAHh1Ykbe=sUjeuoxh59gq7OYG+PHg4X2GQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

If I want to setup a custom page that has a field for subscribing to a
list, how should I format the call to the cgi-bin/subscribe script in order
to process the request?

What should the post variables be?

thanks
Ricardo

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan 14 01:22:23 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:22:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL for subscribe request
In-Reply-To: <CALR4AhTGPth-31-GAHh1Ykbe=sUjeuoxh59gq7OYG+PHg4X2GQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALR4AhTGPth-31-GAHh1Ykbe=sUjeuoxh59gq7OYG+PHg4X2GQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52D4833F.6060403@msapiro.net>

On 01/13/2014 04:05 PM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> If I want to setup a custom page that has a field for subscribing to a
> list, how should I format the call to the cgi-bin/subscribe script in order
> to process the request?
> 
> What should the post variables be?


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/hIA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From camelia.botez at weizmann.ac.il  Tue Jan 14 07:05:29 2014
From: camelia.botez at weizmann.ac.il (Camelia Botez)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 06:05:29 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman doesn't send messages from smart phone
Message-ID: <74B33B2DD6D2A148967C7ECBEBF842CF0112F028DF@IBWMBX02>

One of our user tried to send an e-mail to a mailing list from his smart phone including an attachment.
He got back the following error message:

The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).


How can I fix this?


Thank you for help


From Richard at Damon-Family.org  Tue Jan 14 13:39:20 2014
From: Richard at Damon-Family.org (Richard Damon)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 07:39:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman doesn't send messages from smart phone
In-Reply-To: <74B33B2DD6D2A148967C7ECBEBF842CF0112F028DF@IBWMBX02>
References: <74B33B2DD6D2A148967C7ECBEBF842CF0112F028DF@IBWMBX02>
Message-ID: <52D52FF8.1030805@Damon-Family.org>

On 1/14/14, 1:05 AM, Camelia Botez wrote:
> One of our user tried to send an e-mail to a mailing list from his smart phone including an attachment.
> He got back the following error message:
>
> The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).
>
>
> How can I fix this?
>
>
> Thank you for help
>
That message should normally only go to the list admin, you say HE got
it, is he an admin?

Was it a bounce message (attached)? IF so, what does the bounce message
say was the problem?

If not, did they send the message to listname-bounces instead of listname?

-- 
Richard Damon


From rdwoodford at gmail.com  Mon Jan 13 13:39:26 2014
From: rdwoodford at gmail.com (Russell Woodford)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 23:39:26 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manual Weiel's moderating app?
In-Reply-To: <EF11D2C4-4077-44F6-8E9A-AE1A04F3436C@nuw.org.au>
References: <584E5E50-7FBF-4A85-A904-9B5795513F84@nuw.org.au>
 <52D3C377.2020402@uni-konstanz.de>
 <EF11D2C4-4077-44F6-8E9A-AE1A04F3436C@nuw.org.au>
Message-ID: <CAEUd7=6cB0NcMHvsimPU5enm1W0nV81tx+UeLyX3cMYyb7msMw@mail.gmail.com>

iTunes says it is not available in the Australian app store, only in the
German app store.

Russell


On 13 January 2014 22:23, Peter Shute <pshute at nuw.org.au> wrote:

> Yes, it opens the App Store app (on my ipad), and then displays a blank
> white square. I suspect this means the link is no longer valid.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 13 Jan 2014, at 9:45 pm, "Mailman Admin" <
> mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Peter Shute
> >
> > Am 2014-01-13 02:21, schrieb Peter Shute:
> >> I came across this thread about a moderating app written by Manuel
> Weiel:
> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg60445.html
> >>
> >> I can't find it in the App Store. Is it still available somehow?
> >
> > Did you try the given Link?
> > http://cl.ly/DyCl
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Christian Mack
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> > Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > Unsubscribe:
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From mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de  Tue Jan 14 16:58:04 2014
From: mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de (Mailman Admin)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:58:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman doesn't send messages from smart phone
In-Reply-To: <74B33B2DD6D2A148967C7ECBEBF842CF0112F028DF@IBWMBX02>
References: <74B33B2DD6D2A148967C7ECBEBF842CF0112F028DF@IBWMBX02>
Message-ID: <52D55E8C.4050602@uni-konstanz.de>

Hello Camelia Botez

Am 2014-01-14 07:05, schrieb Camelia Botez:
> One of our user tried to send an e-mail to a mailing list from his smart phone including an attachment.
> He got back the following error message:
> 
> The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).
> 
> 
> How can I fix this?
> 

Your user didn't email the list, but the bounce address of the list.
Tell him to use the proper email address without "-bounce" in the name part.


Kind regards,
Christian Mack



From richard at KarmannGhia.org  Tue Jan 14 20:09:55 2014
From: richard at KarmannGhia.org (Richard)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:09:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin vs moderator...
In-Reply-To: <52D55E8C.4050602@uni-konstanz.de>
References: <74B33B2DD6D2A148967C7ECBEBF842CF0112F028DF@IBWMBX02>
 <52D55E8C.4050602@uni-konstanz.de>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.03.1401141101360.5340@KarmannGhia.org>



Hi Folks,

I have a moderator who's a bit hard to communicate with. She's new to the 
moderation game. I can't make her an administrator because it would be too 
risky - she'd likely screw it up because she has no idea what she's doing 
yet. And, I'm behind a firewall and she's on the outside, and I haven't 
time to figure out how to get mailman to present all the external names, 
though she CAN get where she needs to go. Adding to the difficulty is that 
the list is fully private...

I'm writing because she is so confused over the distinction between admin 
and moderator. The presumption in mailman seems to be to use administrator 
everywhere and only references moderator in a few places. ...I looked and 
didnt' find (maybe I'm blind!) a page that could help a moderator know 
how to do what they can do. She got logged in once but then was having 
trouble finding where she gets to subscription rules so she can ban 
people...

Is there any place I can point her that will help clarify this - I don't 
have time to babysit her, and I can't see exactly what she's doing nor 
give it to her because all the system names are different - so I 
constantly have to translate for her! Help!

Thanks guys n gals,

RT

From richard at KarmannGhia.org  Tue Jan 14 20:23:11 2014
From: richard at KarmannGhia.org (Richard)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:23:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin vs moderator...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.03.1401141101360.5340@KarmannGhia.org>
References: <74B33B2DD6D2A148967C7ECBEBF842CF0112F028DF@IBWMBX02>
 <52D55E8C.4050602@uni-konstanz.de>
 <alpine.LFD.2.03.1401141101360.5340@KarmannGhia.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.03.1401141121170.5340@KarmannGhia.org>



...I should have clarified: Her key problem seems to be moving from a 
screen where she used her Moderator password to successfully log in, to 
the "administrator interface". It asks her for the administrator password.

How is she supposed to manage subscriptions if she can't log in to the 
administrator interface?

Thanks...

RT

On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, Richard wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I have a moderator who's a bit hard to communicate with. She's new to the 
> moderation game. I can't make her an administrator because it would be too 
> risky - she'd likely screw it up because she has no idea what she's doing 
> yet. And, I'm behind a firewall and she's on the outside, and I haven't time 
> to figure out how to get mailman to present all the external names, though 
> she CAN get where she needs to go. Adding to the difficulty is that the list 
> is fully private...
>
> I'm writing because she is so confused over the distinction between admin and 
> moderator. The presumption in mailman seems to be to use administrator 
> everywhere and only references moderator in a few places. ...I looked and 
> didnt' find (maybe I'm blind!) a page that could help a moderator know how to 
> do what they can do. She got logged in once but then was having trouble 
> finding where she gets to subscription rules so she can ban people...
>
> Is there any place I can point her that will help clarify this - I don't have 
> time to babysit her, and I can't see exactly what she's doing nor give it to 
> her because all the system names are different - so I constantly have to 
> translate for her! Help!
>
> Thanks guys n gals,
>
> RT
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: 
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/richard%40karmannghia.org
>

Richard Troy, Founder & current President
The Karmann Ghia Club of North America
4200 Park Blvd, #151, Oakland CA 94602, USA

Richard at KarmannGhia.org, http://KarmannGhia.org/Richard/

From frankly3d at gmail.com  Tue Jan 14 20:32:35 2014
From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 19:32:35 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin vs moderator...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.03.1401141121170.5340@KarmannGhia.org>
References: <74B33B2DD6D2A148967C7ECBEBF842CF0112F028DF@IBWMBX02>
 <52D55E8C.4050602@uni-konstanz.de>
 <alpine.LFD.2.03.1401141101360.5340@KarmannGhia.org>
 <alpine.LFD.2.03.1401141121170.5340@KarmannGhia.org>
Message-ID: <20140114193235.181b5cf6@frank01.frankly3d.home>

On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:23:11 -0800 (PST)
Richard <richard at KarmannGhia.org> wrote:

> 
> 
> ...I should have clarified: Her key problem seems to be moving from a 
> screen where she used her Moderator password to successfully log in,
> to the "administrator interface". It asks her for the administrator
> password.
> 
> How is she supposed to manage subscriptions if she can't log in to
> the administrator interface?
> 
> Thanks...
>
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node5.html
Moderator doesn't log in to the admin interface.

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041411.html

___
Regards,
Frank 
www.frankly3d.com


From brennan at columbia.edu  Tue Jan 14 21:31:35 2014
From: brennan at columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:31:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Google Groups Migration API?
Message-ID: <3408B92C3932D60C00413F93@sodor.cc.columbia.edu>


I wonder if anyone on this list can share a script to migrate Mailman 
archives to a Google group using the Groups Migration API announced about a 
year ago.

I'm actually looking to move mbox files made by 2 or 3 other software 
packages, but, same solution should work.

Joseph Brennan
Manager, Email and Systems Applications
Columbia University Information Technology





From renaud.courvoisier at ecole-art-aix.fr  Tue Jan 14 15:49:21 2014
From: renaud.courvoisier at ecole-art-aix.fr (renaud courvoisier)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:49:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding a security log
Message-ID: <52D54E71.9000901@ecole-art-aix.fr>

Hi all,
I just see the useful mailman fail2ban jail posted bu jimpop : 
https://code.launchpad.net/~jimpop/mailman/security-logging 
<https://code.launchpad.net/%7Ejimpop/mailman/security-logging>
But I don't figure out how to add a mailman security log which will 
contain Authentication Failure entries,
and a web search don't return anything.

Can someone explain me how to do that ?
Thanks a lot.

R.C

From jimpop at gmail.com  Tue Jan 14 22:57:37 2014
From: jimpop at gmail.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:57:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding a security log
In-Reply-To: <52D54E71.9000901@ecole-art-aix.fr>
References: <52D54E71.9000901@ecole-art-aix.fr>
Message-ID: <CAGfsgR0LjyqFMo5GHiLQfk3EjhUSyLo3ei3rcLq9cOduVANBLQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:49 AM, renaud courvoisier
<renaud.courvoisier at ecole-art-aix.fr> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I just see the useful mailman fail2ban jail posted bu jimpop :
> https://code.launchpad.net/~jimpop/mailman/security-logging
> <https://code.launchpad.net/%7Ejimpop/mailman/security-logging>
> But I don't figure out how to add a mailman security log which will contain
> Authentication Failure entries,
> and a web search don't return anything.
>
> Can someone explain me how to do that ?

Hi,

There are many things that can break, depending on Mailman version
differences, other mods, etc., so make a good backup first.

Download a "diff" of the security-logging changes from this URL:

http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jimpop/mailman/security-logging/revision/1375?start_revid=1375

Copy the 1375_1374.diff file to your mailman/ home directory (the
directory containing Mailman/ bin/ cron/ scripts/ etc), and then apply
it with this command:

        patch -p0 -b -V numbered < 1375_1374.diff

You will need to restart mailman afterwards, and then check
mailman/logs/errors (for any errors) and check to make sure
mailman/logs/security exists.  Then try a few failed login attempts on
one of your lists.

Hth,

-Jim P.

From jimpop at gmail.com  Tue Jan 14 23:09:09 2014
From: jimpop at gmail.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 17:09:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] niltonplay@hotmail.com is sending OoO messages
	(with Adverts)
Message-ID: <CAGfsgR1jTp57SXh2PzQujYOQ9BHdaEb2HpK5AwVrjw3HYWVQTg@mail.gmail.com>

Posts to MM-Users gets you a strange OoO message, from
niltonplay at hotmail.com, with a "Travel - Promotional Prices"
advertisement.   Booo!

Full email:
http://pastebin.com/zBLP8SXf


-Jim P.

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan 14 23:41:57 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 14:41:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] niltonplay@hotmail.com is sending OoO
	messages	(with Adverts)
In-Reply-To: <CAGfsgR1jTp57SXh2PzQujYOQ9BHdaEb2HpK5AwVrjw3HYWVQTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGfsgR1jTp57SXh2PzQujYOQ9BHdaEb2HpK5AwVrjw3HYWVQTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <613adc9f-be52-47c1-92ec-428624b1fd7a@email.android.com>

Jim Popovitch <jimpop at gmail.com> wrote:
>Posts to MM-Users gets you a strange OoO message, from
>niltonplay at hotmail.com, with a "Travel - Promotional Prices"
>advertisement.   Booo!
>
>Full email:
>http://pastebin.com/zBLP8SXf
>
>
>-Jim P.
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org
>https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
>Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
>Searchable Archives:
>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>Unsubscribe:
>https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mark%40msapiro.net

If I get the same response to this post I will disable his delivery.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

From ricardo at americasnet.com  Wed Jan 15 01:28:27 2014
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:28:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] couple of questions...
Message-ID: <CALR4AhSjw+hAvhyCcZyv118a3k-JAn0-dPZWHUxYFpu-Gaj+cQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

I have a couple of questions:

1) What file would I modify to customize the text for the subscription
results? I'm looking to customize the text in another language (pt_BR) but
I can't find the text file. I do see the subscribe.html template and it
makes a mention to <MM-Results>

2) Is it possible to unsubscribe via the web in a similar fashion as using
the cgi-bin/subscribe method? I don't see an unsubscribe script under
cgi-bin

thanks
Ricardo

From Richard at Damon-Family.org  Wed Jan 15 04:38:05 2014
From: Richard at Damon-Family.org (Richard Damon)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin vs moderator...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.03.1401141121170.5340@KarmannGhia.org>
References: <74B33B2DD6D2A148967C7ECBEBF842CF0112F028DF@IBWMBX02>
 <52D55E8C.4050602@uni-konstanz.de>
 <alpine.LFD.2.03.1401141101360.5340@KarmannGhia.org>
 <alpine.LFD.2.03.1401141121170.5340@KarmannGhia.org>
Message-ID: <52D6029D.9010100@Damon-Family.org>

On 1/14/14, 2:23 PM, Richard wrote:
>
>
> ...I should have clarified: Her key problem seems to be moving from a
> screen where she used her Moderator password to successfully log in,
> to the "administrator interface". It asks her for the administrator
> password.
>
> How is she supposed to manage subscriptions if she can't log in to the
> administrator interface?
>
> Thanks...
>
> RT
Moderators only have access to the "Pending Moderator Request" page.
>From there they can approve/reject/discard posts made to the list and
held. While they are doing this, they can also remove the moderation
flag from a user whose post has been held, or add non-subscribers to the
auto-approval or auto-reject lists or ban them from subscribing.

These are the powers of a moderator.

"Managing Subscriptions" is an administrator duty in Mailman.

-- 
Richard Damon


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jan 15 04:45:24 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 19:45:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] niltonplay@hotmail.com is sending OoO messages
 (with Adverts)
In-Reply-To: <613adc9f-be52-47c1-92ec-428624b1fd7a@email.android.com>
References: <CAGfsgR1jTp57SXh2PzQujYOQ9BHdaEb2HpK5AwVrjw3HYWVQTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <613adc9f-be52-47c1-92ec-428624b1fd7a@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <52D60454.4070404@msapiro.net>

On 01/14/2014 02:41 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Jim Popovitch <jimpop at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Posts to MM-Users gets you a strange OoO message, from
>> niltonplay at hotmail.com, with a "Travel - Promotional Prices"
>> advertisement.   Booo!
> 
> If I get the same response to this post I will disable his delivery.


I didn't get an autoresponse to this. Has anyone else seen one in reply
to their mailman-users posts?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From googleersatz at oliverniebuhr.de  Tue Jan 14 23:28:16 2014
From: googleersatz at oliverniebuhr.de (Oliver Niebuhr)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 23:28:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?
Message-ID: <52D5BA00.1010204@oliverniebuhr.de>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Good evening.

I have a Question:

I have moderated a Mail and used the Option "Keep Message for Moderator"
(or whatever the correct english Translation is).

Now i want to look into that Message as we want to Ban this person. But
i can not find it anywhere. Is there a hidden option to Access it??

I am only the Administrator of the List not the Server Admin. This is
handled by another Department.

Have i overseen something? Or is the Message gone forever as i dont have
it additionally forwarded to a specific address?

Thank You and Sorry for the bad english :)

Oliver
Germany
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From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jan 15 05:05:16 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:05:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?
In-Reply-To: <52D5BA00.1010204@oliverniebuhr.de>
References: <52D5BA00.1010204@oliverniebuhr.de>
Message-ID: <52D608FC.4040803@msapiro.net>

On 01/14/2014 02:28 PM, Oliver Niebuhr wrote:
> 
> I have moderated a Mail and used the Option "Keep Message for Moderator"
> (or whatever the correct english Translation is).
> 
> Now i want to look into that Message as we want to Ban this person. But
> i can not find it anywhere. Is there a hidden option to Access it??


They are saved in files with names like spam-LISTNAME-NNN.msg in
Mailman's 'spam' directory which is located in Mailman's VAR_PREFIX
directory, i.e., at /usr/local/mailman/spam/ in a default install, but
may differ in your installation.

There is no Mailman web UI for accessing these messages.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jan 15 05:42:01 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:42:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] couple of questions...
In-Reply-To: <CALR4AhSjw+hAvhyCcZyv118a3k-JAn0-dPZWHUxYFpu-Gaj+cQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALR4AhSjw+hAvhyCcZyv118a3k-JAn0-dPZWHUxYFpu-Gaj+cQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52D61199.3040808@msapiro.net>

On 01/14/2014 04:28 PM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> 
> 1) What file would I modify to customize the text for the subscription
> results? I'm looking to customize the text in another language (pt_BR) but
> I can't find the text file. I do see the subscribe.html template and it
> makes a mention to <MM-Results>


The replacement for the <MM-Results> tag is built on the fly by the
Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py module. See that module for the English strings
involved. These strings are the keys for the pt_BR translations in
messages/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po.


> 2) Is it possible to unsubscribe via the web in a similar fashion as using
> the cgi-bin/subscribe method? I don't see an unsubscribe script under
> cgi-bin


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/uIA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From ricardo at americasnet.com  Wed Jan 15 06:32:23 2014
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 21:32:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] couple of questions...
In-Reply-To: <52D61199.3040808@msapiro.net>
References: <CALR4AhSjw+hAvhyCcZyv118a3k-JAn0-dPZWHUxYFpu-Gaj+cQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <52D61199.3040808@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <CALR4AhQxpnQY7S2GTySN0yAeB_NDuw1VpAvgJyLyr8qQEiq68Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mark.


On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 01/14/2014 04:28 PM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> >
> > 1) What file would I modify to customize the text for the subscription
> > results? I'm looking to customize the text in another language (pt_BR)
> but
> > I can't find the text file. I do see the subscribe.html template and it
> > makes a mention to <MM-Results>
>
>
> The replacement for the <MM-Results> tag is built on the fly by the
> Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py module. See that module for the English strings
> involved. These strings are the keys for the pt_BR translations in
> messages/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po.
>
> So I understand I need to use msgfmt.py to compile changes made to the
text.

It seems my mailman installation doesn't have that file, it's not in the
bin directory and a "locate msgfmt.py" returns nothing... is there
somewhere I can grab it?

Thank you.
Ricardo

From mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de  Wed Jan 15 11:08:31 2014
From: mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de (Mailman Admin)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:08:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] niltonplay@hotmail.com is sending OoO messages
 (with Adverts)
In-Reply-To: <52D60454.4070404@msapiro.net>
References: <CAGfsgR1jTp57SXh2PzQujYOQ9BHdaEb2HpK5AwVrjw3HYWVQTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <613adc9f-be52-47c1-92ec-428624b1fd7a@email.android.com>
 <52D60454.4070404@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <52D65E1F.2080403@uni-konstanz.de>

Hello Mark Sapiro

Am 2014-01-15 04:45, schrieb Mark Sapiro:
> On 01/14/2014 02:41 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> Jim Popovitch <jimpop at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Posts to MM-Users gets you a strange OoO message, from
>>> niltonplay at hotmail.com, with a "Travel - Promotional Prices"
>>> advertisement.   Booo!
>>
>> If I get the same response to this post I will disable his delivery.
> 
> 
> I didn't get an autoresponse to this. Has anyone else seen one in reply
> to their mailman-users posts?
> 

No I didn't get any autoresponses from the list.


Kind regards,
Christian Mack

From mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de  Wed Jan 15 11:40:39 2014
From: mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de (Mailman Admin)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:40:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] couple of questions...
In-Reply-To: <CALR4AhQxpnQY7S2GTySN0yAeB_NDuw1VpAvgJyLyr8qQEiq68Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALR4AhSjw+hAvhyCcZyv118a3k-JAn0-dPZWHUxYFpu-Gaj+cQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <52D61199.3040808@msapiro.net>
 <CALR4AhQxpnQY7S2GTySN0yAeB_NDuw1VpAvgJyLyr8qQEiq68Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52D665A7.9070002@uni-konstanz.de>

Hello Ricardo Kleemann


Am 2014-01-15 06:32, schrieb Ricardo Kleemann:
> 
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 01/14/2014 04:28 PM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
>>>
>>> 1) What file would I modify to customize the text for the subscription
>>> results? I'm looking to customize the text in another language (pt_BR)
>> but
>>> I can't find the text file. I do see the subscribe.html template and it
>>> makes a mention to <MM-Results>
>>
>>
>> The replacement for the <MM-Results> tag is built on the fly by the
>> Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py module. See that module for the English strings
>> involved. These strings are the keys for the pt_BR translations in
>> messages/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po.
>>
> So I understand I need to use msgfmt.py to compile changes made to the
> text.
> 
> It seems my mailman installation doesn't have that file, it's not in the
> bin directory and a "locate msgfmt.py" returns nothing... is there
> somewhere I can grab it?
> 

You need the GNU gettext package for your OS.
msgfmt is a tool within it.


Kind regards,
Christian Mack

From googleersatz at oliverniebuhr.de  Thu Jan 16 10:58:26 2014
From: googleersatz at oliverniebuhr.de (Oliver Niebuhr)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:58:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?
In-Reply-To: <52D608FC.4040803@msapiro.net>
References: <52D5BA00.1010204@oliverniebuhr.de> <52D608FC.4040803@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <52D7AD42.6020301@oliverniebuhr.de>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hello Again and Sorry for the late Reply :)

Am 15.01.2014 05:05, schrieb Mark Sapiro:> On 01/14/2014 02:28 PM,
Oliver Niebuhr wrote:
>>
>> I have moderated a Mail and used the Option "Keep Message for Moderator"
>> (or whatever the correct english Translation is).
>>
>> Now i want to look into that Message as we want to Ban this person. But
>> i can not find it anywhere. Is there a hidden option to Access it??
>
>
> They are saved in files with names like spam-LISTNAME-NNN.msg in
> Mailman's 'spam' directory which is located in Mailman's VAR_PREFIX
> directory, i.e., at /usr/local/mailman/spam/ in a default install, but
> may differ in your installation.
>
> There is no Mailman web UI for accessing these messages.
>

Well thats bad as we Mailman Admins dont have "Deep Access" to that Part
of the Server. I dont understand why there is no UI for Accessing this
Messages directly - in one way or another.

Anyway: Thanks for clearing things up :)

Oliver
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From stephen at xemacs.org  Thu Jan 16 15:12:51 2014
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 23:12:51 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?
In-Reply-To: <52D7AD42.6020301@oliverniebuhr.de>
References: <52D5BA00.1010204@oliverniebuhr.de> <52D608FC.4040803@msapiro.net>
 <52D7AD42.6020301@oliverniebuhr.de>
Message-ID: <877ga0c8ws.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Oliver Niebuhr writes:

 > I dont understand why there is no UI for Accessing this Messages
 > directly - in one way or another.

That's easy enough to explain: Mailman was written in a age when
sysadmin == Mailman admin (and often, == list owner/admin/moderator)
was the primary use case.  So, the shell is the UI.  Virtual hosting
services and large organizations adopted Mailman without contributing
patches to enable such features as needed in their environment.

These issues should generally be alleviated in Mailman 3, but that's a
project that has been ongoing for several years.

.

From frankly3d at gmail.com  Thu Jan 16 15:15:28 2014
From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 14:15:28 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?
In-Reply-To: <52D7AD42.6020301@oliverniebuhr.de>
References: <52D5BA00.1010204@oliverniebuhr.de> <52D608FC.4040803@msapiro.net>
 <52D7AD42.6020301@oliverniebuhr.de>
Message-ID: <20140116141528.252322f9@frank01.frankly3d.home>

On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:58:26 +0100
Oliver Niebuhr <googleersatz at oliverniebuhr.de> wrote:


> 
> Well thats bad as we Mailman Admins dont have "Deep Access" to that
> Part of the Server. I dont understand why there is no UI for
> Accessing this Messages directly - in one way or another.
> 

Can your ask your infra\sysadmin to forward to you?
___
Regards,
Frank 
www.frankly3d.com


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan 16 16:10:09 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 07:10:09 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?
In-Reply-To: <52D7AD42.6020301@oliverniebuhr.de>
References: <52D5BA00.1010204@oliverniebuhr.de> <52D608FC.4040803@msapiro.net>
 <52D7AD42.6020301@oliverniebuhr.de>
Message-ID: <52D7F651.1000606@msapiro.net>

On 01/16/2014 01:58 AM, Oliver Niebuhr wrote:
> 
> Well thats bad as we Mailman Admins dont have "Deep Access" to that Part
> of the Server. I dont understand why there is no UI for Accessing this
> Messages directly - in one way or another.


If you don't have access, then don't "Preserve messages for the site
administrator", but rather "Forward messages (individually) to: (yourself)".

The 'Preserve' action, at least in the English message, is clear that it
is the site administrator, not the list owner, who will have access to
the preserved message.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From googleersatz at oliverniebuhr.de  Fri Jan 17 03:04:54 2014
From: googleersatz at oliverniebuhr.de (GoogleErsatz)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 03:04:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?
In-Reply-To: <877ga0c8ws.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <52D5BA00.1010204@oliverniebuhr.de> <52D608FC.4040803@msapiro.net>
 <52D7AD42.6020301@oliverniebuhr.de>
 <877ga0c8ws.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <20140117020454.5902481.37180.171@oliverniebuhr.de>

?Well that explains a lot. Thanks

I am not a Pro (yet) with Mailman?. If I could code Python I would contribute something myself. But learning C++ takes the rest of my spare time .

I hope to see a $uitool? of some sort in a new Version - somehow, somewhere, someday :)

Oliver

Send from a Mobile Device. Encoding Problems can happen.
? Originalnachricht ?
Von: Stephen J. Turnbull
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Januar 2014 15:12
An: Oliver Niebuhr
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?

Oliver Niebuhr writes:

> I dont understand why there is no UI for Accessing this Messages
> directly - in one way or another.

That's easy enough to explain: Mailman was written in a age when
sysadmin == Mailman admin (and often, == list owner/admin/moderator)
was the primary use case. So, the shell is the UI. Virtual hosting
services and large organizations adopted Mailman without contributing
patches to enable such features as needed in their environment.

These issues should generally be alleviated in Mailman 3, but that's a
project that has been ongoing for several years.

.

From googleersatz at oliverniebuhr.de  Fri Jan 17 03:20:51 2014
From: googleersatz at oliverniebuhr.de (GoogleErsatz)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 03:20:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?
In-Reply-To: <52D7F651.1000606@msapiro.net>
References: <52D5BA00.1010204@oliverniebuhr.de> <52D608FC.4040803@msapiro.net>
 <52D7AD42.6020301@oliverniebuhr.de> <52D7F651.1000606@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <20140117022051.5902481.8028.174@oliverniebuhr.de>

?I am already doing this. Problem is: We are not sure if forwarding moderated Messages to the private Mail Account of the List Admin is in comply with our local and European Privacy Laws.

I am in Contact with our Data Protection Officer. Hope to get a "clear" answer ASAP.

Oliver

Send from a Mobile Device. Encoding Problems can happen.
? Originalnachricht ?
Von: Mark Sapiro
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Januar 2014 16:10
An: mailman-users at python.org
Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?

On 01/16/2014 01:58 AM, Oliver Niebuhr wrote:
> 
> Well thats bad as we Mailman Admins dont have "Deep Access" to that Part
> of the Server. I dont understand why there is no UI for Accessing this
> Messages directly - in one way or another.


If you don't have access, then don't "Preserve messages for the site
administrator", but rather "Forward messages (individually) to: (yourself)".

The 'Preserve' action, at least in the English message, is clear that it
is the site administrator, not the list owner, who will have access to
the preserved message.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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From googleersatz at oliverniebuhr.de  Fri Jan 17 03:14:30 2014
From: googleersatz at oliverniebuhr.de (GoogleErsatz)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 03:14:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?
In-Reply-To: <20140116141528.252322f9@frank01.frankly3d.home>
References: <52D5BA00.1010204@oliverniebuhr.de> <52D608FC.4040803@msapiro.net>
 <52D7AD42.6020301@oliverniebuhr.de>
 <20140116141528.252322f9@frank01.frankly3d.home>
Message-ID: <20140117021430.5902481.54217.172@oliverniebuhr.de>

?That's what I already plan to ask them the next time I see them. We are good in creating workarounds - even as unpaid volunteers :)



Send from a Mobile Device. Encoding Problems can happen.
? Originalnachricht ?
Von: Frank Murphy
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Januar 2014 15:15
An: mailman-users at python.org
Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?

On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:58:26 +0100
Oliver Niebuhr <googleersatz at oliverniebuhr.de> wrote:


> 
> Well thats bad as we Mailman Admins dont have "Deep Access" to that
> Part of the Server. I dont understand why there is no UI for
> Accessing this Messages directly - in one way or another.
> 

Can your ask your infra\sysadmin to forward to you?
___
Regards,
Frank 
www.frankly3d.com

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From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri Jan 17 03:37:06 2014
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 11:37:06 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?
In-Reply-To: <20140117022051.5902481.8028.174@oliverniebuhr.de>
References: <52D5BA00.1010204@oliverniebuhr.de> <52D608FC.4040803@msapiro.net>
 <52D7AD42.6020301@oliverniebuhr.de> <52D7F651.1000606@msapiro.net>
 <20140117022051.5902481.8028.174@oliverniebuhr.de>
Message-ID: <87zjmvbagd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

GoogleErsatz writes:

 > ?I am already doing this. Problem is: We are not sure if forwarding
 > moderated Messages to the private Mail Account of the List Admin is
 > in comply with our local and European Privacy Laws.

If it's not, give the list admin a dedicated mail account for such
mail.  If that's not sufficient, the law is incoherent and you're in
for a lot of pain trying to comply in general -- my condolences.

 > I am in Contact with our Data Protection Officer. Hope to get a
 > "clear" answer ASAP.


From googleersatz at oliverniebuhr.de  Fri Jan 17 04:50:58 2014
From: googleersatz at oliverniebuhr.de (GoogleErsatz)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:50:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?
In-Reply-To: <87zjmvbagd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <52D5BA00.1010204@oliverniebuhr.de> <52D608FC.4040803@msapiro.net>
 <52D7AD42.6020301@oliverniebuhr.de> <52D7F651.1000606@msapiro.net>
 <20140117022051.5902481.8028.174@oliverniebuhr.de>
 <87zjmvbagd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <20140117035058.5902481.37197.178@oliverniebuhr.de>

?Yep I already thought about ?creating a reserved Account on my private Domain. Creating a Account on the Server is not possible as we self gave us some specific Rules to make sure, that not more People as really needed have Access to $Part of the Infrastructure.

But from time to time we look at those Rules. Seems it's time to check them gain.
That's all that seems possible - for now.

We are not a Big Company. We are just a political movement with very limited Resources and Volunteers. We must work with what we have.

Thanks to all of You for your help and Ideas :)
Oliver

Send from a Mobile Device. Encoding Problems can happen.
? Originalnachricht ?
Von: Stephen J. Turnbull
Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Januar 2014 03:37
An: GoogleErsatz
Cc: mailman-users
Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] [Question] Where are the Moderated Messages?

GoogleErsatz writes:

> ?I am already doing this. Problem is: We are not sure if forwarding
> moderated Messages to the private Mail Account of the List Admin is
> in comply with our local and European Privacy Laws.

If it's not, give the list admin a dedicated mail account for such
mail. If that's not sufficient, the law is incoherent and you're in
for a lot of pain trying to comply in general -- my condolences.

> I am in Contact with our Data Protection Officer. Hope to get a
> "clear" answer ASAP.


From hugo.vandeputte at bleu-pastel.org  Sat Jan 18 10:16:05 2014
From: hugo.vandeputte at bleu-pastel.org (Hugo Vandeputte)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 10:16:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] having bounced messages delivered to administrator
	or sender
Message-ID: <52DA4655.5050507@bleu-pastel.org>

Hello,
I used mailman recently for a new mailing list, and after some time I 
discovered that bounced messages are not delivered to the sender or the 
administrator. In my memory, they were delivered in older installations 
of mailman.
Is there an option to configure such delivery?
I can see the bounce process handled in my log :  (delivered to command: 
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman) and uncaught bounce 
notification are delivered correctly.
Thanks for help.


From ricardo at americasnet.com  Sat Jan 18 19:09:56 2014
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 10:09:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] couple of questions...
In-Reply-To: <52D665A7.9070002@uni-konstanz.de>
References: <CALR4AhSjw+hAvhyCcZyv118a3k-JAn0-dPZWHUxYFpu-Gaj+cQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <52D61199.3040808@msapiro.net>
 <CALR4AhQxpnQY7S2GTySN0yAeB_NDuw1VpAvgJyLyr8qQEiq68Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <52D665A7.9070002@uni-konstanz.de>
Message-ID: <CALR4AhQy8SWvvHpfZcox+jy1JitXXg8s-6rNOuRB1abwWJ9SiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for your very useful response below.

Regarding the unsubscribe feature, I can use this link but have some
questions:

Unsubscribe:
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ricardo%40americasnet.com

If I have a page with an unsbuscribe button using the link above, it does 2
things:

1. Sends out a confirmation email for unsubscribing
2. Takes me to the list's options page

For what I'm trying to do, the email confirmation is sufficient. Is there
any way or "trick" to disable the appearance of the options page and
instead just put up some other text?

thanks
Ricardo


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Mailman Admin <
mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de> wrote:

> Hello Ricardo Kleemann
>
>
> Am 2014-01-15 06:32, schrieb Ricardo Kleemann:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 01/14/2014 04:28 PM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What file would I modify to customize the text for the subscription
> >>> results? I'm looking to customize the text in another language (pt_BR)
> >> but
> >>> I can't find the text file. I do see the subscribe.html template and it
> >>> makes a mention to <MM-Results>
> >>
> >>
> >> The replacement for the <MM-Results> tag is built on the fly by the
> >> Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py module. See that module for the English strings
> >> involved. These strings are the keys for the pt_BR translations in
> >> messages/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po.
> >>
> > So I understand I need to use msgfmt.py to compile changes made to the
> > text.
> >
> > It seems my mailman installation doesn't have that file, it's not in the
> > bin directory and a "locate msgfmt.py" returns nothing... is there
> > somewhere I can grab it?
> >
>
> You need the GNU gettext package for your OS.
> msgfmt is a tool within it.
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Christian Mack
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From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Sat Jan 18 21:06:53 2014
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 20:06:53 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Alternative authentication mechanisms for
	Mailman
In-Reply-To: <140C9BAE-4947-4B90-834A-D31AF9A80E3B@identinetics.com>
References: <D35E3725-3DE7-4A0A-8F16-DACCA7F93C4B@hoerbe.at>
 <140C9BAE-4947-4B90-834A-D31AF9A80E3B@identinetics.com>
Message-ID: <20140118200653.GN10820@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 02:51:48PM +0100, Rainer Hoerbe wrote:
> Does anybody have a link to answers on questions like this:
> - How to do container-bases authentication for mailman? (e.g., use apache authentication like mod_ssl or mod_auth_kerb)

If you're still after a reply, this mail I sent in 2009 (!) may be
useful to you --

    http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers at python.org/msg11368.html

-- 
"Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder
 respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."
    -- Orwell, 'Politics and the English Language'

From ricardo at americasnet.com  Sat Jan 18 22:21:53 2014
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 13:21:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help finding template
Message-ID: <CALR4AhR7aHt1NU+j8h9TOcwFuMJgFqwv-tSXe7Ly9tBcnAu=Mw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

The link normally at the footer of list messages, for example:

Unsubscribe:
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ricardo%40americasnet.com

Will send out a confirmation email and also takes the user to a
user-specific version of the options page.

I'm trying to find, with no success, where the template for that output
page is. It seems this might be a hardcoded output that uses the mailman.po
text strings, but cannot have its overall content/layout be customized?

thanks
Ricardo

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jan 18 22:34:03 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 13:34:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] having bounced messages delivered to
 administrator or sender
In-Reply-To: <52DA4655.5050507@bleu-pastel.org>
References: <52DA4655.5050507@bleu-pastel.org>
Message-ID: <bcce4f15446f1b8ed89e931bec9b86eb.squirrel@www.msapiro.net>


Hugo Vandeputte wrote:
> Hello,
> I used mailman recently for a new mailing list, and after some time I
> discovered that bounced messages are not delivered to the sender or the
> administrator. In my memory, they were delivered in older installations
> of mailman.
> Is there an option to configure such delivery?


If bounce_processing is Yes and bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is Yes, the
bounce that causes the user's bounce score to reach the threshold and
disables delivery will be attached to the notice to the admin. Other
bounces simply increment the user's bounce score, and that fact is logged
in Mailman's bounce log, but the bounce message itself is neither saved
nor reported. This has always been the case in standard Mailman 2.1.x.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jan 18 22:40:37 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 13:40:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] couple of questions...
In-Reply-To: <CALR4AhQy8SWvvHpfZcox+jy1JitXXg8s-6rNOuRB1abwWJ9SiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALR4AhSjw+hAvhyCcZyv118a3k-JAn0-dPZWHUxYFpu-Gaj+cQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <52D61199.3040808@msapiro.net>
 <CALR4AhQxpnQY7S2GTySN0yAeB_NDuw1VpAvgJyLyr8qQEiq68Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <52D665A7.9070002@uni-konstanz.de>
 <CALR4AhQy8SWvvHpfZcox+jy1JitXXg8s-6rNOuRB1abwWJ9SiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35c87bc170914ce9843e8c7e536cfea6.squirrel@www.msapiro.net>


Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
>
> If I have a page with an unsbuscribe button using the link above, it does
> 2
> things:
>
> 1. Sends out a confirmation email for unsubscribing
> 2. Takes me to the list's options page
>
> For what I'm trying to do, the email confirmation is sufficient. Is there
> any way or "trick" to disable the appearance of the options page and
> instead just put up some other text?


If you post directly to the options CGI, you will get the response from
that page. It you want to provide your own custom response, your page must
be some kind of PHP, CGI or other script which will invoke the options
CGI, capture it's response and generate its own response.

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/uIA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jan 18 22:49:07 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 13:49:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help finding template
In-Reply-To: <CALR4AhR7aHt1NU+j8h9TOcwFuMJgFqwv-tSXe7Ly9tBcnAu=Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALR4AhR7aHt1NU+j8h9TOcwFuMJgFqwv-tSXe7Ly9tBcnAu=Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <634073bc14f6f11eac05acd6760ee3da.squirrel@www.msapiro.net>


Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
>
> I'm trying to find, with no success, where the template for that output
> page is. It seems this might be a hardcoded output that uses the
> mailman.po
> text strings, but cannot have its overall content/layout be customized?


The output is built on the fly by the Mailman/Cgi/options.py script. Aside
from the message "Your unsubscription request has been forwarded to the
list administrator for approval." or "The confirmation email has been
sent." as appropriate, the response is also the options login page, so you
can't modify it without messing up it's function as the options login
page.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ricardo at americasnet.com  Sun Jan 19 01:18:15 2014
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 16:18:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help finding template
In-Reply-To: <634073bc14f6f11eac05acd6760ee3da.squirrel@www.msapiro.net>
References: <CALR4AhR7aHt1NU+j8h9TOcwFuMJgFqwv-tSXe7Ly9tBcnAu=Mw@mail.gmail.com>
 <634073bc14f6f11eac05acd6760ee3da.squirrel@www.msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <CALR4AhRY3=vc0oU1C+PXitd-UKB+Ky0DxaHX=-EYAhfC_sh1ug@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, thanks.


On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

>
> Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> >
> > I'm trying to find, with no success, where the template for that output
> > page is. It seems this might be a hardcoded output that uses the
> > mailman.po
> > text strings, but cannot have its overall content/layout be customized?
>
>
> The output is built on the fly by the Mailman/Cgi/options.py script. Aside
> from the message "Your unsubscription request has been forwarded to the
> list administrator for approval." or "The confirmation email has been
> sent." as appropriate, the response is also the options login page, so you
> can't modify it without messing up it's function as the options login
> page.
>
>
What about the template for confirmation? When clicking on the confirmation
link (either subscribe or unsubscribe) from the email that is sent, it
displays a page to confirm the request. And then once you click on the
button to confirm, there's another page displayed which is like the
confirmation results. Do those have templates?

Ricardo

From hugo.vandeputte at bleu-pastel.org  Sun Jan 19 10:49:34 2014
From: hugo.vandeputte at bleu-pastel.org (Hugo Vandeputte)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 10:49:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] having bounced messages delivered to
 administrator or sender
In-Reply-To: <bcce4f15446f1b8ed89e931bec9b86eb.squirrel@www.msapiro.net>
References: <52DA4655.5050507@bleu-pastel.org>
 <bcce4f15446f1b8ed89e931bec9b86eb.squirrel@www.msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <52DB9FAE.5030608@bleu-pastel.org>

Le 18/01/2014 22:34, Mark Sapiro a ?crit :
> Hugo Vandeputte wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I used mailman recently for a new mailing list, and after some time I
>> discovered that bounced messages are not delivered to the sender or the
>> administrator. In my memory, they were delivered in older installations
>> of mailman.
>> Is there an option to configure such delivery?
>
> If bounce_processing is Yes and bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is Yes, the
> bounce that causes the user's bounce score to reach the threshold and
> disables delivery will be attached to the notice to the admin. Other
> bounces simply increment the user's bounce score, and that fact is logged
> in Mailman's bounce log, but the bounce message itself is neither saved
> nor reported. This has always been the case in standard Mailman 2.1.x.
>
Thanks for your response. I tried to disable bounce_processing and 
others options but never received bounce reports. If it's the normal 
behavior for mailman 2.1.x, it's ok, I will just use a batch scanning 
postfix logs...


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jan 19 22:41:06 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:41:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] having bounced messages delivered to
 administrator or sender
In-Reply-To: <52DB9FAE.5030608@bleu-pastel.org>
References: <52DA4655.5050507@bleu-pastel.org>
 <bcce4f15446f1b8ed89e931bec9b86eb.squirrel@www.msapiro.net>
 <52DB9FAE.5030608@bleu-pastel.org>
Message-ID: <52DC4672.3010406@msapiro.net>

On 01/19/2014 01:49 AM, Hugo Vandeputte wrote:
>
> Thanks for your response. I tried to disable bounce_processing and
> others options but never received bounce reports. If it's the normal
> behavior for mailman 2.1.x, it's ok, I will just use a batch scanning
> postfix logs...


If you turn bounce_processing off, all bounces will be ignored by Mailman.

If you turn bounce_processing on with appropriate settings and the
notifications on, Mailman will process bounces according to your settings.

If all you want is to see what you can find in the postfix logs, Mailman
with bounce_processing on will do much more. It will log all real
bounces in Mailman's bounce log in a form much more convenient to see
than grepping the postfix logs and it will distinguish a bounce from a
post or other message misdirected to the -bounces address and forward
the latter to the owner.

If you really want the Mailman 2.0.x behavior where all bounces go to
the list owner and are not otherwise processed by Mailman, just change
the Postfix

LIST-bounces: "|/path/to/mailman/mail/mailman LIST bounces"

alias to

LIST-bounces: "|/path/to/mailman/mail/mailman LIST owner"

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Jan 20 01:58:10 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 16:58:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help finding template
In-Reply-To: <CALR4AhRY3=vc0oU1C+PXitd-UKB+Ky0DxaHX=-EYAhfC_sh1ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALR4AhR7aHt1NU+j8h9TOcwFuMJgFqwv-tSXe7Ly9tBcnAu=Mw@mail.gmail.com>	<634073bc14f6f11eac05acd6760ee3da.squirrel@www.msapiro.net>
 <CALR4AhRY3=vc0oU1C+PXitd-UKB+Ky0DxaHX=-EYAhfC_sh1ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52DC74A2.5020105@msapiro.net>

On 01/18/2014 04:18 PM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> 
> What about the template for confirmation? When clicking on the
> confirmation link (either subscribe or unsubscribe) from the email that
> is sent, it displays a page to confirm the request. And then once you
> click on the button to confirm, there's another page displayed which is
> like the confirmation results. Do those have templates?


No. They are all built from strings by Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py.

Note that any Mailman URL of the form http://www.example.com/mailman/xxx
is processed by the script Mailman/Cgi/xxx.py

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From hugo.vandeputte at bleu-pastel.org  Mon Jan 20 11:36:08 2014
From: hugo.vandeputte at bleu-pastel.org (Hugo Vandeputte)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:36:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] having bounced messages delivered to
	administrator or sender
In-Reply-To: <52DC4672.3010406@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <59b8-52dcfc00-9-2323c800@156903726>


Le Dimanche 19 Janvier 2014 22:41 CET, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> a ?crit:
?If you turn bounce_processing off, all bounces will be ignored by Mailman.

If you turn bounce_processing on with appropriate settings and the
notifications on, Mailman will process bounces according to your settings.

If all you want is to see what you can find in the postfix logs, Mailman
with bounce_processing on will do much more. It will log all real
bounces in Mailman's bounce log in a form much more convenient to see
than grepping the postfix logs and it will distinguish a bounce from a
post or other message misdirected to the -bounces address and forward
the latter to the owner.

If you really want the Mailman 2.0.x behavior where all bounces go to
the list owner and are not otherwise processed by Mailman, just change
the Postfix

LIST-bounces: "|/path/to/mailman/mail/mailman LIST bounces"

alias to

LIST-bounces: "|/path/to/mailman/mail/mailman LIST owner"

--
Mark Sapiro  The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/hugo.vandeputte%40bleu-pastel.org at msapiro.net>Ok, the good solution for my needs seems to be activate bound processing in mailman and process the mailman's bounce logs.
Thks for your accurate response.
Hugo.



?

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan 21 00:58:20 2014
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:58:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Well isn't that nice
Message-ID: <52DDB81C.4010109@bradakis.com>

Moving Mailman from an old Fedora system to a new Ubuntu ( 13.10 ) 
server.  going to the mailman/listinfo or admin links results in
the web pages asking if I want to download the binary file.

Actually I want the file to be executed on the server, and give me the 
expected pages.  Time for a little FAQ and archive research, I guess,
find out what config flag I've overlooked in Apache2.

mjb.


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan 21 01:39:11 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:39:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Well isn't that nice
In-Reply-To: <52DDB81C.4010109@bradakis.com>
References: <52DDB81C.4010109@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <52DDC1AF.2040703@msapiro.net>

On 01/20/2014 03:58 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> 
> Actually I want the file to be executed on the server, and give me the
> expected pages.  Time for a little FAQ and archive research, I guess,
> find out what config flag I've overlooked in Apache2.


<http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node10.html> may help.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan 21 02:08:11 2014
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 18:08:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Well isn't that nice
In-Reply-To: <52DDC1AF.2040703@msapiro.net>
References: <52DDB81C.4010109@bradakis.com> <52DDC1AF.2040703@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <52DDC87B.506@bradakis.com>


You'd think that these lines in the config file would work like they 
used to, but apparently not:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /local/mailman/teamnet/cgi-bin/
   <Directory /local/mailman/teamnet/cgi-bin>
           Options +ExecCGI
           SetHandler cgi-script
           Require all granted
   </Directory>


Of course the apache logs show success, as I am presented with a dialog 
box about whether to save the file or cancel.

Fun.

mjb.



From stephen at xemacs.org  Tue Jan 21 03:36:40 2014
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:36:40 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Well isn't that nice
In-Reply-To: <52DDC87B.506@bradakis.com>
References: <52DDB81C.4010109@bradakis.com> <52DDC1AF.2040703@msapiro.net>
 <52DDC87B.506@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <877g9u9i2v.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Mark J Bradakis writes:

 > You'd think that these lines in the config file would work like they 
 > used to, but apparently not:

What version of Apache are you using?

 > ScriptAlias /mailman/ /local/mailman/teamnet/cgi-bin/

I believe there's a FollowSymLinks option or something like that.  Is
it possible that /local/mailman/teamnet/cgi-bin is a symlink?

 >    <Directory /local/mailman/teamnet/cgi-bin>
 >            Options +ExecCGI
 >            SetHandler cgi-script

Something changed in handling CGI between 2.2 and 2.4, but that may
have been external (eg, I switched to WSGI for my Python CGIs, and
ISTR that some of the *CGI accelerator modules didn't get updated).

 >            Require all granted
 >    </Directory>

This stanza needs to come *before* any Alias stanzas that refer to
/local/, /local/mailman/, or /local/mailman/teamnet/, IIRC.  I don't
think the config processor is smart enough to find the "best" match.

You probably thought of all that already.  Just for the record.

Good luck!


From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan 21 04:02:58 2014
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 20:02:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Well isn't that nice
In-Reply-To: <52DDC87B.506@bradakis.com>
References: <52DDB81C.4010109@bradakis.com> <52DDC1AF.2040703@msapiro.net>
 <52DDC87B.506@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <52DDE362.8080309@bradakis.com>

And it gets stranger:

www.team.net:80 50.198.190.18 - - [20/Jan/2014:18:50:15 -0700] "GET 
/mailman/admin HTTP/1.1" 200 27444 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; 
rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/26.0 SeaMonkey/2.23"


www.team.net:80 50.198.190.18 - - [20/Jan/2014:18:59:38 -0700] "GET 
/mailman/admin/ HTTP/1.1" 404 505 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux 
x86_64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/26.0"

One browser, seamonkey, does the download dialog, as does Chrome on my 
wife's Windows machine.

But firefox returns with a 404 !

This is the default apache2 from 'apt-get install apache2' which
installs version 2.4.6.


The pieces of this puzzle do not seem to be even close to fitting together.

mjb.

ps:  www.team.net has been on the air since April of 1991 - coming up on 
23 years.


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan 21 04:16:31 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 19:16:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Well isn't that nice
In-Reply-To: <52DDE362.8080309@bradakis.com>
References: <52DDB81C.4010109@bradakis.com> <52DDC1AF.2040703@msapiro.net>
 <52DDC87B.506@bradakis.com> <52DDE362.8080309@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <52DDE68F.4060704@msapiro.net>

On 01/20/2014 07:02 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> And it gets stranger:
> 
> www.team.net:80 50.198.190.18 - - [20/Jan/2014:18:50:15 -0700] "GET
> /mailman/admin HTTP/1.1" 200 27444 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64;
> rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/26.0 SeaMonkey/2.23"
> 
> 
> www.team.net:80 50.198.190.18 - - [20/Jan/2014:18:59:38 -0700] "GET
> /mailman/admin/ HTTP/1.1" 404 505 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux
> x86_64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/26.0"
> 
> One browser, seamonkey, does the download dialog, as does Chrome on my
> wife's Windows machine.
> 
> But firefox returns with a 404 !


That's apparently because of the trailing slash on the firefox GET.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan 21 04:26:22 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 19:26:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Well isn't that nice
In-Reply-To: <52DDE68F.4060704@msapiro.net>
References: <52DDB81C.4010109@bradakis.com> <52DDC1AF.2040703@msapiro.net>
 <52DDC87B.506@bradakis.com> <52DDE362.8080309@bradakis.com>
 <52DDE68F.4060704@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <52DDE8DE.2060006@msapiro.net>

On 01/20/2014 07:16 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> 
> That's apparently because of the trailing slash on the firefox GET.
> 

I get

http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo

serves the GGI rather than executing it.

http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/

returns a 404

http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/list

returns a 404

Your

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /local/mailman/teamnet/cgi-bin/

is not effective for these URLs. Why is an Apache question, not a
Mailman question, but in any case probably can't be effectively
diagnosed without seeing your entire Apache config including all
included files.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan 21 05:05:31 2014
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 21:05:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Well isn't that nice
In-Reply-To: <52DDE8DE.2060006@msapiro.net>
References: <52DDB81C.4010109@bradakis.com> <52DDC1AF.2040703@msapiro.net>
 <52DDC87B.506@bradakis.com> <52DDE362.8080309@bradakis.com>
 <52DDE68F.4060704@msapiro.net> <52DDE8DE.2060006@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <52DDF20B.9040609@bradakis.com>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

> is not effective for these URLs. Why is an Apache question, not a
> Mailman question,

Yes, it is an apache issue.

And boy, do I feel silly.  I like to cook.  I don't think I ever stood 
there waiting for a pot of water to boil without putting water in the 
pot first.


mjb.




From doug at mrdirectint.com  Tue Jan 21 17:24:28 2014
From: doug at mrdirectint.com (Doug Hutson)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:24:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <52CD76C0.4040205@mrdirectint.com>
References: <52CD76C0.4040205@mrdirectint.com>
Message-ID: <52DE9F3C.7030001@mrdirectint.com>

Is their an easy way of exporting a subscriber list to a .csv or .txt 
file through the mailman front end, or do I need to dig it out of the 
database?

Thanks,
Doug

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan 21 17:57:50 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 08:57:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <52DE9F3C.7030001@mrdirectint.com>
References: <52CD76C0.4040205@mrdirectint.com>
 <52DE9F3C.7030001@mrdirectint.com>
Message-ID: <52DEA70E.9090201@msapiro.net>

On 01/21/2014 08:24 AM, Doug Hutson wrote:
> Is their an easy way of exporting a subscriber list to a .csv or .txt
> file through the mailman front end, or do I need to dig it out of the
> database?


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/aYA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From jsekora at csail.mit.edu  Tue Jan 21 23:08:32 2014
From: jsekora at csail.mit.edu (Jay Sekora)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 17:08:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Minor suggestion: Template for "admindb" page
Message-ID: <52DEEFE0.8060601@csail.mit.edu>

Hi!  This is just a thought that popped into my head and I thought I'd
share it with the world.  Apologies if this has already been discussed
or is already in development for Mailman 3.

It would be nice if either the "admindb" page for a list were
templatable, with the HTML template editable per-list, or it included a
custom-per-list HTML snippet at the top the way the listinfo page does.

That way, a list owner could provide per-list information or links to
list moderators.  (For instance, a reminder of policy for who should be
on the list, or a link to some other non-Mailman tool, or just snippets
of text to be pasted into the "rejection reason" fields.)  It could also
be useful just to add some list branding, so it's a bit more obvious
*which* list you're approving requests for.  (We have some
similarly-named lists with different policies, and just as the posters
sometimes get confused and send to the wrong list, the moderators
sometimes get confused and approve for the wrong list.)

To make this vaguely on-topic for mailman-users, has anybody done
something like this?  Anybody have patches?  I could hardcode this
myself (with "if" clauses to distinguish particular lists of interest)
in Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py, but I'm not familiar enough with the Mailman
codebase to know how to add a new per-list configuration field.  (So
actually if anybody has a pointer to info on how to do that that would
be interesting too.)

Cheers,

Jay

From turnbull at sk.tsukuba.ac.jp  Wed Jan 22 08:32:43 2014
From: turnbull at sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:32:43 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Minor suggestion: Template for "admindb" page
In-Reply-To: <52DEEFE0.8060601@csail.mit.edu>
References: <52DEEFE0.8060601@csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <87k3ds8o9w.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Jay Sekora writes:

 > It would be nice if either the "admindb" page for a list were
 > templatable, with the HTML template editable per-list, or it
 > included a custom-per-list HTML snippet at the top the way the
 > listinfo page does.

I *think* the latter is probably fairly easy for someone like Mark to
do, but obviously I can't volunteer for him.

IMO, it's more important to get this kind of feature into Mailman 3.
It would be part of the Postorius sub-project.  Feature requests to

https://bugs.launchpad.net/postorius/+filebug

For more information about Postorius,

https://bugs.launchpad.net/postorius


From srinivasb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 14:54:20 2014
From: srinivasb at gmail.com (Srinivas B.)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 05:54:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Issues and How to debug?
Message-ID: <CA+1jXL0aH9GgRsN-GjDYtpmKMfosFTLEutj2dqY_RCEUtmC0rA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

We have the following environment:

Amazon Linux 2013.09
mailman 2.1.12
virtualmin

This is a new server that was recently setup with few mailing lists.
Running into few issues that were never seen in our old server. All the
mailing lists are created brand-new on this server.

On a daily basis we get reminders about pending requests for each of the
mailing list.
Clicking on the link: lists.<our domain>/mailman/admindb/mem says "The
requested URL couldnot be retrieved".
  - The following error was encountered "Zero Sized Reply"
  - This very URL works fine at other time(s) but sometimes it doesn't
>From Virtualmin UI, the mailing list manager says "no pending requests" for
any of the mailing list that sent the notification.

A couple of members complained that they received the same mail multiple
times - more than 10 times - but none of our test-accounts seen this issue,
so can't tell what went wrong.

Is there a way to check if everything with mailman is setup correctly and
no issues are seen?

Thank you for any insight and direction you may provide.

-Srinivas

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jan 22 16:38:18 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:38:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Issues and How to debug?
In-Reply-To: <CA+1jXL0aH9GgRsN-GjDYtpmKMfosFTLEutj2dqY_RCEUtmC0rA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1jXL0aH9GgRsN-GjDYtpmKMfosFTLEutj2dqY_RCEUtmC0rA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52DFE5EA.4040708@msapiro.net>

On 01/21/2014 05:54 AM, Srinivas B. wrote:
> Hi
> 
> We have the following environment:
> 
> Amazon Linux 2013.09
> mailman 2.1.12
> virtualmin


How was Mailman installed? If it is a virtualmin package, see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+and+CPanel> which applies
equally to virtualmin.


> This is a new server that was recently setup with few mailing lists.
> Running into few issues that were never seen in our old server. All the
> mailing lists are created brand-new on this server.
> 
> On a daily basis we get reminders about pending requests for each of the
> mailing list.
> Clicking on the link: lists.<our domain>/mailman/admindb/mem says "The
> requested URL couldnot be retrieved".
>   - The following error was encountered "Zero Sized Reply"
>   - This very URL works fine at other time(s) but sometimes it doesn't
>>From Virtualmin UI, the mailing list manager says "no pending requests" for
> any of the mailing list that sent the notification.


The admindb CGI should always return a page whether or not there are
pending requests. What do the web server logs say? Pending request
reminders should not be sent if there are no requests. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/EoCE>.


> A couple of members complained that they received the same mail multiple
> times - more than 10 times - but none of our test-accounts seen this issue,
> so can't tell what went wrong.


Check your MTA logs and compare the Received: headers of the multiple
copies for clues on where the duplication occurred.


> Is there a way to check if everything with mailman is setup correctly and
> no issues are seen?


Look at Mailman's logs for problems.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From srinivasb at gmail.com  Wed Jan 22 18:19:57 2014
From: srinivasb at gmail.com (Srinivas B.)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 09:19:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Issues and How to debug?
In-Reply-To: <52DFE5EA.4040708@msapiro.net>
References: <CA+1jXL0aH9GgRsN-GjDYtpmKMfosFTLEutj2dqY_RCEUtmC0rA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52DFE5EA.4040708@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <CA+1jXL0shKc3vVECpG8--DypPbC1HQ1qg-VRkUsJidLA0p=LZA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark

Appreciate your response. Here is what I have found so far...

Mailman is part of the Virtualmin package that we deployed.

The ADMIN UI issue turned out to be a virtualmin issue and is now fixed.
The daily reminders about messages pending on few lists continue to happen,
but when I go to the mailman interface the mailing list shows no pending
messages.
>From the mailman error file, I can see only one error:
            Jan 21 08:43:40 2014 mailmanctl(30537):
            Jan 21 08:43:40 2014 mailmanctl(30537): option -v not recognized

I don't see any held messages for these lists under: /var/lib/mailman/data.
Is there a way to check why the daily emails are being sent to Moderators
that there are messages when there are none?

-Srinivas





On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 01/21/2014 05:54 AM, Srinivas B. wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > We have the following environment:
> >
> > Amazon Linux 2013.09
> > mailman 2.1.12
> > virtualmin
>
>
> How was Mailman installed? If it is a virtualmin package, see the FAQ at
> <http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+and+CPanel> which applies
> equally to virtualmin.
>
>
> > This is a new server that was recently setup with few mailing lists.
> > Running into few issues that were never seen in our old server. All the
> > mailing lists are created brand-new on this server.
> >
> > On a daily basis we get reminders about pending requests for each of the
> > mailing list.
> > Clicking on the link: lists.<our domain>/mailman/admindb/mem says "The
> > requested URL couldnot be retrieved".
> >   - The following error was encountered "Zero Sized Reply"
> >   - This very URL works fine at other time(s) but sometimes it doesn't
> >>From Virtualmin UI, the mailing list manager says "no pending requests"
> for
> > any of the mailing list that sent the notification.
>
>
> The admindb CGI should always return a page whether or not there are
> pending requests. What do the web server logs say? Pending request
> reminders should not be sent if there are no requests. See the FAQ at
> <http://wiki.list.org/x/EoCE>.
>
>
> > A couple of members complained that they received the same mail multiple
> > times - more than 10 times - but none of our test-accounts seen this
> issue,
> > so can't tell what went wrong.
>
>
> Check your MTA logs and compare the Received: headers of the multiple
> copies for clues on where the duplication occurred.
>
>
> > Is there a way to check if everything with mailman is setup correctly and
> > no issues are seen?
>
>
> Look at Mailman's logs for problems.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
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From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan 23 01:16:03 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:16:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Issues and How to debug?
In-Reply-To: <CA+1jXL0shKc3vVECpG8--DypPbC1HQ1qg-VRkUsJidLA0p=LZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1jXL0aH9GgRsN-GjDYtpmKMfosFTLEutj2dqY_RCEUtmC0rA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52DFE5EA.4040708@msapiro.net>
 <CA+1jXL0shKc3vVECpG8--DypPbC1HQ1qg-VRkUsJidLA0p=LZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52E05F43.8020900@msapiro.net>

On 01/22/2014 09:19 AM, Srinivas B. wrote:
> 
> I don't see any held messages for these lists
> under: /var/lib/mailman/data. Is there a way to check why the daily
> emails are being sent to Moderators that there are messages when there
> are none? 


Again, see the FAQ referenced below.


> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net
> <mailto:mark at msapiro.net>> wrote:
> 
>     Pending request
>     reminders should not be sent if there are no requests. See the FAQ at
>     <http://wiki.list.org/x/EoCE>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From srinivasb at gmail.com  Thu Jan 23 03:33:24 2014
From: srinivasb at gmail.com (Srinivas B.)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 18:33:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Issues and How to debug?
In-Reply-To: <52E05F43.8020900@msapiro.net>
References: <CA+1jXL0aH9GgRsN-GjDYtpmKMfosFTLEutj2dqY_RCEUtmC0rA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52DFE5EA.4040708@msapiro.net>
 <CA+1jXL0shKc3vVECpG8--DypPbC1HQ1qg-VRkUsJidLA0p=LZA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52E05F43.8020900@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <CA+1jXL1ga5t4Qa9Et0SE4d2YXHP6j2_XyiEZK7bLNV6DuWcWNA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark

Thanks for the FAQ link. Checked the mail-headers and confirmed the mail is
actually originating from our production server and no where else. We use
DKIM/SPF and I could see them in the mail-headers - so it isn't a
test-server or anything that is left behind somewhere. Checked the crontab
and I can only see one entry there for mailman. There is no other cron try
there. Checked for multiple installations of mailman but all I can see is
one.

Anything else that I can check & see? Is there anything that I can do to
check the integrity of mailman setup end-to-end?

-Srinivas



On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 01/22/2014 09:19 AM, Srinivas B. wrote:
> >
> > I don't see any held messages for these lists
> > under: /var/lib/mailman/data. Is there a way to check why the daily
> > emails are being sent to Moderators that there are messages when there
> > are none?
>
>
> Again, see the FAQ referenced below.
>
>
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net
> > <mailto:mark at msapiro.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     Pending request
> >     reminders should not be sent if there are no requests. See the FAQ at
> >     <http://wiki.list.org/x/EoCE>.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan 23 04:32:16 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:32:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Issues and How to debug?
In-Reply-To: <CA+1jXL1ga5t4Qa9Et0SE4d2YXHP6j2_XyiEZK7bLNV6DuWcWNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1jXL0aH9GgRsN-GjDYtpmKMfosFTLEutj2dqY_RCEUtmC0rA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52DFE5EA.4040708@msapiro.net>
 <CA+1jXL0shKc3vVECpG8--DypPbC1HQ1qg-VRkUsJidLA0p=LZA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52E05F43.8020900@msapiro.net>
 <CA+1jXL1ga5t4Qa9Et0SE4d2YXHP6j2_XyiEZK7bLNV6DuWcWNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52E08D40.2030601@msapiro.net>

On 01/22/2014 06:33 PM, Srinivas B. wrote:
> Hi Mark
> 
> Thanks for the FAQ link. Checked the mail-headers and confirmed the mail
> is actually originating from our production server and no where else. We
> use DKIM/SPF and I could see them in the mail-headers - so it isn't a
> test-server or anything that is left behind somewhere. Checked the
> crontab and I can only see one entry there for mailman. There is no
> other cron try there. Checked for multiple installations of mailman but
> all I can see is one. 


And are you sure that the admindb URL you follow is actually going to
the same server?

Please confirm my understanding that:

1) there are no heldmsg files in Mailman's data directory.

2) You receive a daily "n LISTNAME moderator request(s) waiting" email,
but when you go to the admindb page, there are no requests there.

The admindb CGI uses the same list methods that the checkdbs cron uses
to find the requests so the only way they can report different results
is if they are looking at different lists/LISTNAME/request.pck files
which would imply running from different Mailman instances.

Try

sudo find / -name request.pck

or, if your locate database is current,

locate request.pck

to see if there is more than one LISTNAME/request.pck on the server.

You can also use the script at
<http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/list_requests> to look at a request.pck,
but it will only look at those in the Mailman installation whose bin/
directory it runs from.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From srinivasb at gmail.com  Thu Jan 23 04:48:38 2014
From: srinivasb at gmail.com (Srinivas B.)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:48:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Issues and How to debug?
In-Reply-To: <52E08D40.2030601@msapiro.net>
References: <CA+1jXL0aH9GgRsN-GjDYtpmKMfosFTLEutj2dqY_RCEUtmC0rA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52DFE5EA.4040708@msapiro.net>
 <CA+1jXL0shKc3vVECpG8--DypPbC1HQ1qg-VRkUsJidLA0p=LZA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52E05F43.8020900@msapiro.net>
 <CA+1jXL1ga5t4Qa9Et0SE4d2YXHP6j2_XyiEZK7bLNV6DuWcWNA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52E08D40.2030601@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <CA+1jXL3FvtkyWcJ+bbrHfHO_HxrkJ=6T7GzqR00P-b72R_K4Gg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark

There is only one server running in Amazon AWS hosting the sites and
mailman. There was another server in "stopped" state which I now terminated.

1: When I checked originally there were no "held" messages under data
folder. As of this writing now, I see few there. One held message for one
of the lists, but it is ZERO byte file. The others are for another list and
I can see the contents for each of them. I may have to wait till tomorrow
morning to see what I get from mailman as the reminder(s) now.

2: Yes, I had received these messages a couple of days in a row and I
couldn't find anything pending when I went to admin UI.

Checked for request.pck, and all I can see were one per list and no dupes

# sudo find / -name request.pck | sort
/home/.mailman/mailman/lists/mailman/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/exgcm/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/gclist/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/genlist/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/hmec-l/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/mem/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/news-l/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/njlist/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/nylist/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/rlist/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/slist/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/vhpa-boston/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/whc-so-dev/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/whc-so-pmo/request.pck
/var/lib/mailman/lists/whc-so-sba/request.pck

I will check again tomorrow and see how many reminder messages will I get
from the mailman. Thank you.

-Srinivas



On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 01/22/2014 06:33 PM, Srinivas B. wrote:
> > Hi Mark
> >
> > Thanks for the FAQ link. Checked the mail-headers and confirmed the mail
> > is actually originating from our production server and no where else. We
> > use DKIM/SPF and I could see them in the mail-headers - so it isn't a
> > test-server or anything that is left behind somewhere. Checked the
> > crontab and I can only see one entry there for mailman. There is no
> > other cron try there. Checked for multiple installations of mailman but
> > all I can see is one.
>
>
> And are you sure that the admindb URL you follow is actually going to
> the same server?
>
> Please confirm my understanding that:
>
> 1) there are no heldmsg files in Mailman's data directory.
>
> 2) You receive a daily "n LISTNAME moderator request(s) waiting" email,
> but when you go to the admindb page, there are no requests there.
>
> The admindb CGI uses the same list methods that the checkdbs cron uses
> to find the requests so the only way they can report different results
> is if they are looking at different lists/LISTNAME/request.pck files
> which would imply running from different Mailman instances.
>
> Try
>
> sudo find / -name request.pck
>
> or, if your locate database is current,
>
> locate request.pck
>
> to see if there is more than one LISTNAME/request.pck on the server.
>
> You can also use the script at
> <http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/list_requests> to look at a request.pck,
> but it will only look at those in the Mailman installation whose bin/
> directory it runs from.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan 23 05:20:49 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:20:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Issues and How to debug?
In-Reply-To: <CA+1jXL3FvtkyWcJ+bbrHfHO_HxrkJ=6T7GzqR00P-b72R_K4Gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+1jXL0aH9GgRsN-GjDYtpmKMfosFTLEutj2dqY_RCEUtmC0rA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52DFE5EA.4040708@msapiro.net>
 <CA+1jXL0shKc3vVECpG8--DypPbC1HQ1qg-VRkUsJidLA0p=LZA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52E05F43.8020900@msapiro.net>
 <CA+1jXL1ga5t4Qa9Et0SE4d2YXHP6j2_XyiEZK7bLNV6DuWcWNA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52E08D40.2030601@msapiro.net>
 <CA+1jXL3FvtkyWcJ+bbrHfHO_HxrkJ=6T7GzqR00P-b72R_K4Gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52E098A1.6000409@msapiro.net>

On 01/22/2014 07:48 PM, Srinivas B. wrote:
> 
> Checked for request.pck, and all I can see were one per list and no dupes


There are two 'mailman' lists
> # sudo find / -name request.pck | sort
> /home/.mailman/mailman/lists/mailman/request.pck
...
> /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/request.pck


what else is in /home/.mailman/mailman/

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From srinivasb at gmail.com  Thu Jan 23 05:48:22 2014
From: srinivasb at gmail.com (Srinivas B.)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:48:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Issues and How to debug?
In-Reply-To: <52E098A1.6000409@msapiro.net>
References: <CA+1jXL0aH9GgRsN-GjDYtpmKMfosFTLEutj2dqY_RCEUtmC0rA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52DFE5EA.4040708@msapiro.net>
 <CA+1jXL0shKc3vVECpG8--DypPbC1HQ1qg-VRkUsJidLA0p=LZA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52E05F43.8020900@msapiro.net>
 <CA+1jXL1ga5t4Qa9Et0SE4d2YXHP6j2_XyiEZK7bLNV6DuWcWNA@mail.gmail.com>
 <52E08D40.2030601@msapiro.net>
 <CA+1jXL3FvtkyWcJ+bbrHfHO_HxrkJ=6T7GzqR00P-b72R_K4Gg@mail.gmail.com>
 <52E098A1.6000409@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <CA+1jXL3tUdEW81XCDwzGxYdFqVPdhc_b62KtBwVpgM0YjLXc-g@mail.gmail.com>

Argh.. definitely missed that. this is a backup from earlier server when we
migrated here... Let me see if cleaning this folder out will help the
situation. Thank you.

-Srinivas


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 01/22/2014 07:48 PM, Srinivas B. wrote:
> >
> > Checked for request.pck, and all I can see were one per list and no dupes
>
>
> There are two 'mailman' lists
> > # sudo find / -name request.pck | sort
> > /home/.mailman/mailman/lists/mailman/request.pck
> ...
> > /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/request.pck
>
>
> what else is in /home/.mailman/mailman/
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>

From mailman at veggiechinese.net  Tue Jan 28 01:06:06 2014
From: mailman at veggiechinese.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:06:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-interactive newlist, but send notification
Message-ID: <20140128000606.GK9032@aura.veggiechinese.net>

Looking at the code, I think I know the answer already, but is there any
way (with Mailman 2.1.9) to send a notification to the list owner when a
list is created, but do it in non-interactive mode?

Right now, you have to use '-q' to avoid hitting enter, but then no
notification to the list-owner is sent.

We have some code that creates lists; its author prefers to avoid
calling the Mailman modules directly, even though the code is written in
Python.

w


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan 28 01:27:43 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:27:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-interactive newlist, but send notification
In-Reply-To: <20140128000606.GK9032@aura.veggiechinese.net>
References: <20140128000606.GK9032@aura.veggiechinese.net>
Message-ID: <52E6F97F.7040700@msapiro.net>

On 01/27/2014 04:06 PM, Will Yardley wrote:
> Looking at the code, I think I know the answer already, but is there any
> way (with Mailman 2.1.9) to send a notification to the list owner when a
> list is created, but do it in non-interactive mode?


See
<http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.2/revision/999/bin/newlist#bin/newlist>
for a patch to newlist which adds a -a|--automate option to newlist to
do exactly what you want. Short of applying this patch, you might be
able to use Python's subprocess module to invoke newlist in a way that
you can capture and answer the prompt.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan 28 01:48:37 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:48:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] niltonplay@hotmail.com is sending OoO messages
 (with Adverts)
In-Reply-To: <613adc9f-be52-47c1-92ec-428624b1fd7a@email.android.com>
References: <613adc9f-be52-47c1-92ec-428624b1fd7a@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <52E6FE65.1070501@msapiro.net>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Jim Popovitch <jimpop at gmail.com> wrote:
>>Posts to MM-Users gets you a strange OoO message, from
>>niltonplay at hotmail.com, with a "Travel - Promotional Prices"
>>advertisement.   Booo!
> 
> If I get the same response to this post I will disable his delivery.


I just got one to my most recent post. It seems somewhat random whether
you get one or not, but I have set niltonplay at hotmail.com to NoMail.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From sven.jungmar at gmail.com  Mon Jan 27 19:25:19 2014
From: sven.jungmar at gmail.com (Sven Jungmar)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 19:25:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender filter to other list
Message-ID: <001701cf1b8d$24f18360$6ed48a20$@gmail.com>

Hi all.

 

We are a scout group with 50 Mailman lists for different groups. The members
of the lists are automatically imported from our member-system every hour.
This works like a charm.

One of the lists (Alla) contains all members and I would like to limit the
senders for all other lists using this list Alla.

 

When I put @Alla (the name of the list with all members) in the
accept_these_nonmembers-field for any list I get an error message:

Error: Bad email address for option accept_these_nonmembers: @Alla

 

We are running Mailman 2.1.9 on CentOS 5.2 and there are no upgrades for
Mailman in the repos.

 

What is the reason for the errors and what should I do to limit senders to
this list?

 

If it is related to the version of Mailman, is there a patch or workaround
and does someone know a repo I could use to upgrade?

 

 

 

Best Regards

 

 

Sven

 


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan 28 08:54:30 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 23:54:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender filter to other list
In-Reply-To: <001701cf1b8d$24f18360$6ed48a20$@gmail.com>
References: <001701cf1b8d$24f18360$6ed48a20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52E76236.7000201@msapiro.net>

On 01/27/2014 10:25 AM, Sven Jungmar wrote:
> 
> When I put @Alla (the name of the list with all members) in the
> accept_these_nonmembers-field for any list I get an error message:
> 
> Error: Bad email address for option accept_these_nonmembers: @Alla
> 
>  
> 
> We are running Mailman 2.1.9 on CentOS 5.2 and there are no upgrades for
> Mailman in the repos.


The @listname feature was implemented in Mailman 2.1.10.


> If it is related to the version of Mailman, is there a patch or workaround
> and does someone know a repo I could use to upgrade?


The initial implementation of the feature is at
<http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/revision/1008>,
but there have been subsequent additional changes that affect this feature.

I think the CentOS 6 Mailman version is 2.1.12. It may work with CentOS
5, but there may be Python compatibility issues (see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/pYA9>), or you could install Mailman 2.1.17 from
source. For the latter, the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/KYCB> may be
of interest.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From kenneth.lundstrom at nudata.fi  Thu Jan 30 05:58:52 2014
From: kenneth.lundstrom at nudata.fi (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kenneth_Lundstr=F6m?=)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 06:58:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = 'localhostasd'
Message-ID: <52E9DC0C.3020506@nudata.fi>

Hello list,

I'm trying to setup an mailman on an existing mailserver. I want to use 
the same domain as I'm using for normal mail.

But putting VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = 'localhostasd' in my 
mm_cfg.py file. But no @localhost is added to every row in 
virtual-mailman file

I'm using the stock mailman found on CentOS, version 2.1.9.


Kenneth


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan 30 15:32:39 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 06:32:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = 'localhostasd'
In-Reply-To: <52E9DC0C.3020506@nudata.fi>
References: <52E9DC0C.3020506@nudata.fi>
Message-ID: <52EA6287.1050101@msapiro.net>

On 01/29/2014 08:58 PM, Kenneth Lundstr?m wrote:
> 
> But putting VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = 'localhostasd' in my
> mm_cfg.py file. But no @localhost is added to every row in
> virtual-mailman file
> 
> I'm using the stock mailman found on CentOS, version 2.1.9.


The ability to define VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN with MTA = 'Postfix'
was added in Mailman 2.1.14. It's not in 2.1.9.

However, I'm confused. If you want '@localhost', why would you put
VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = 'localhostasd' in mm_cfg.py.

In any case, if you need this feature in 2.1.9, you can install the
attached patch.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan 30 15:39:48 2014
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 06:39:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = 'localhostasd'
In-Reply-To: <52E9DC0C.3020506@nudata.fi>
References: <52E9DC0C.3020506@nudata.fi>
Message-ID: <52EA6434.9060901@msapiro.net>

Resending after changing list to accept text/x-diff MIME type.

On 01/29/2014 08:58 PM, Kenneth Lundstr?m wrote:
> 
> But putting VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = 'localhostasd' in my
> mm_cfg.py file. But no @localhost is added to every row in
> virtual-mailman file
> 
> I'm using the stock mailman found on CentOS, version 2.1.9.


The ability to define VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN with MTA = 'Postfix'
was added in Mailman 2.1.14. It's not in 2.1.9.

However, I'm confused. If you want '@localhost', why would you put
VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = 'localhostasd' in mm_cfg.py.

In any case, if you need this feature in 2.1.9, you can install the
attached patch.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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