From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Apr  1 00:59:11 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:59:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] inn gateway
In-Reply-To: <4F777795.7090703@free.fr>
References: <PC19520120331121547014027265d3b@MSAPIRO>
	<4F777795.7090703@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4F778C3F.7060200@msapiro.net>

On 3/31/2012 2:31 PM, jdd wrote:
> 
> is it normal to have this behavior (double to in the answer)? Previously
> the system was managed by ezmlm and we didn'"t have this problem (but I
> didn't manage it, so may be the other admin fixed something)


I have no idea what ezmlm or your ezmlm<=>news gateway may have done. I
know no details of ezmlm at all.


> could this also be a thunderbird bug?


It is normal for messages in newsgroups to have a Newsgroups: header
with the name of the group. RFC 5536 and its predecessors, RFCs 1036 and
1849 require it.

I don't know what version of T'bird you are using, but with T'bird 11.0
and 11.0.1, at least as configured on my workstations, if I 'Reply' to a
message containing the headers:

From: Original Poster <poster at example.com>
Newsgroups: linux-31
To: linux-31 at example.org
List-Post: <mailto:linux-31 at culte.org>

the reply is addressed only

To: Original Poster <poster at example.com>


If I 'Reply List', the reply is addressed

To: linux-31 at example.org
Newsgroup: linux-31


and if I 'Reply All', the reply is addressed

To: Original Poster <poster at example.com>
Cc: linux-31 at example.org
Newsgroup: linux-31


Some other MUAs, e.g. mutt, ignore the Newsgroups: header when
generating replies.

Note that I don't see an extra To: in any of the above; just sometimes
Newsgroup: in addition to To:

T'bird's behavior doesn't seem unreasonable, but if you don't like it,
that's not really a Mailman issue. If you wish to remove the Newsgroups:
header from messages passing through Mailman, I've told you how to do it
in my prior reply.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jdanield at free.fr  Sun Apr  1 08:19:23 2012
From: jdanield at free.fr (jdd)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 08:19:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] inn gateway
In-Reply-To: <4F778C3F.7060200@msapiro.net>
References: <PC19520120331121547014027265d3b@MSAPIRO>
	<4F777795.7090703@free.fr> <4F778C3F.7060200@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <4F77F36B.90709@free.fr>

Le 01/04/2012 00:59, Mark Sapiro a ?crit :

> T'bird's behavior doesn't seem unreasonable, but if you don't like it,
> that's not really a Mailman issue. If you wish to remove the Newsgroups:
> header from messages passing through Mailman, I've told you how to do it
> in my prior reply.
>
yes, thanks for your complete answer :-)
jdd

-- 
Jean-Daniel Dodin

From anotheranne at fables.co.za  Sun Apr  1 16:53:40 2012
From: anotheranne at fables.co.za (Anne Wainwright)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:53:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] access to list url from own network
Message-ID: <20120401145340.GA16438@fables.co.za>

Hi,

I am running mailman as a relay, it is installed on the office server.

Access from outside the office (home) is fine.

Access from the office network is problematic. It cannot be accessed
using the dyndns address that I have. So I substitute the IP address of
the server and can do most things like adding people to the membership
list.

But, when I search for an address then we get problems, it jumps out of
using the IP address and back to the dyndns address, and we get no hits
from our search, in fact no page.

I guess this is not a mailman issue directly, but any hint as to a
solution would be appreciated. Maybe an apache issue on which subject I
am totally ignorant. Note, apache serves up to the /cgi-bin address
which may or may not be of interest here.

Thanks
Anne


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Apr  1 19:04:27 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 10:04:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] access to list url from own network
In-Reply-To: <20120401145340.GA16438@fables.co.za>
Message-ID: <PC1952012040110042701564217e9f7@MSAPIRO>

Anne Wainwright wrote:
>
>Access from the office network is problematic. It cannot be accessed
>using the dyndns address that I have. So I substitute the IP address of
>the server and can do most things like adding people to the membership
>list.


Put an entry in /etc/hosts (on windows its
c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts) on your workstation for the IP
address and dyndns name and then just use the name.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From sascha at rissel.it  Sun Apr  1 20:04:31 2012
From: sascha at rissel.it (Sascha Rissel)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 20:04:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accepting and Rejecting Mails
Message-ID: <CAKGvnECCm0kq1pL++OUaCPzvjXAKkYF+K8KPzwqceY9B++=Hgg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I am just doing some tests with a newly created list.

I am a GoogleMail user, I configured GoogleMail to be authorized to use
each of my distinct email addresses as sender address (to be able to send
from my bussiness address from home and vice versa....)
I experienced the following behaviour:
My GMail address is the list administrator's address.

If I send from GoogleMail, regardless of the sender's address chosen
(different domain names to choose from), each mail is accepted for the list
and not put on the waiting list for moderator approval.
Could this be due to the fact that GoogleMail is somehow present in the
mail's header as the originating mailer?

I use Mailman 2.1.13.

Thanks for your help...

Sascha,

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Apr  1 20:18:02 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:18:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accepting and Rejecting Mails
In-Reply-To: <CAKGvnECCm0kq1pL++OUaCPzvjXAKkYF+K8KPzwqceY9B++=Hgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204011118020796f18e1d5e@MSAPIRO>

Sascha Rissel wrote:
>
>If I send from GoogleMail, regardless of the sender's address chosen
>(different domain names to choose from), each mail is accepted for the list
>and not put on the waiting list for moderator approval.
>Could this be due to the fact that GoogleMail is somehow present in the
>mail's header as the originating mailer?


By default, Mailman examines the From: header, the envelope sender of
the message, the Reply-To: header if any and the Sender: header if any
of the incoming message to determine if any of these contains the
address of a list member. If so, the post is considered to be from the
first member address found for purposed of moderation.

Test by sending messages from googlemail either to yourself at a
non-googlemail address or to the list with Bcc: to yourself at a
non-googlemail address (I say use a non-googlemail address because
googlemail has a habit of discarding messages that have the same
Message-Id: as ones in your Sent folder), and examine the headers of
the message. The envelope sender is supposed to be reflected in a
Return-Path: header in the received message, but not all MDAs are
compliant.

You can change what things mailman looks at for list mambership. See
the setting SENDER_HEADERS in Defaults,py and override it in mm_cfg.py
if you wish.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From turgut at kalfaoglu.com  Mon Apr  2 12:32:27 2012
From: turgut at kalfaoglu.com (=?UTF-8?B?dHVyZ3V0IGthbGZhb8SfbHU=?=)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:32:27 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suspending lists from the command line
Message-ID: <4F79803B.8020909@kalfaoglu.com>

Hi there. During busy times I would like to suspend almost all 
lists,except some emergency ones.. Is there a way to achieve this from 
the command line via some script?

Many thanks, -turgut


From mdtaylor at illinois.edu  Mon Apr  2 21:38:24 2012
From: mdtaylor at illinois.edu (Taylor, Marc D)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:38:24 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notifying when an approval decision has been made
Message-ID: <704937F309930F45971C293336375C6814A1921C@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>

Good afternoon,

In our setup, Mailman sends an email to the list Administrator (which in turn is a distribution list) when an approval decision has to be made which is desired.  Is it possible to have Mailman send out another email when that approval decision has been made?  It would be handy so that the other Administrators know that a request/issue has been resolved.

Thanks in advance.

Marc Taylor

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Apr  2 21:53:35 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:53:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notifying when an approval decision has been
	made
In-Reply-To: <704937F309930F45971C293336375C6814A1921C@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1952012040212533504686531b9b7@MSAPIRO>

Taylor, Marc D wrote:
>
>In our setup, Mailman sends an email to the list Administrator (which in turn is a distribution list) when an approval decision has to be made which is desired.  Is it possible to have Mailman send out another email when that approval decision has been made?  It would be handy so that the other Administrators know that a request/issue has been resolved.


Mailman currently has no facility for sending a notice when an action
has been taken on a moderator request.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Apr  2 22:38:08 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:38:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suspending lists from the command line
In-Reply-To: <4F79803B.8020909@kalfaoglu.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952012040213380800936e992525@MSAPIRO>

turgut kalfaoglu wrote:

>Hi there. During busy times I would like to suspend almost all 
>lists,except some emergency ones.. Is there a way to achieve this from 
>the command line via some script?


What do you mean by suspend? What you need to do depends on the answer
to this. If you mean you want it to appear as if the list doesn't
exist, i.e. mail to the list is undeliverable, the list is not visible
on the web, you could create a shell script to move Mailman's various
lists/LISTNAME/ directories aside and, depending on how mail is
delivered to Mailman, update the necessary things in the MTA. Note
that in some configurations mail is routed programmatically based on
the existance of the lists/LISTNAME/ directory, so simple moving it
aside would be sufficient in those cases.

If on the other hand you mean just set "emergency" moderation for the
lists, consider the following bash script.

#!/bin/bash
cd /to/mailmans/bin/directory
f=mktemp
echo "emergency = True" > $f
for list in `./list_lists --bare`; do
    if [[ "$list" != "emergency_list1" \
         && "$list" != "emergency_list2" \
         && "$list" != "etc" ]]; then
        ./config_list -i $f $list
    fi
done
rm $f


To reverse this, change "emergency = True" to "emergency = False" and
run the script again.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From khillo100 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr  2 23:56:56 2012
From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 00:56:56 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clear queue
Message-ID: <COL105-DS17C319A13D6C57C839FB92FB4C0@phx.gbl>

Hello ..

sorry I know it?s a dumb question after all these years, but how do you clear the mailman queue from command line??

Thanks :)

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Apr  3 01:30:13 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:30:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clear queue
In-Reply-To: <COL105-DS17C319A13D6C57C839FB92FB4C0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL105-DS17C319A13D6C57C839FB92FB4C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F7A3685.3050001@msapiro.net>

On 4/2/2012 2:56 PM, Khalil Abbas wrote:
> 
> sorry I know it?s a dumb question after all these years, but how do you clear the mailman queue from command line??


rm qfiles/<queue_you_want_to_clear>/*

or if you want to be more cautious

mv qfiles/<queue_you_want_to_clear> somewhere_else

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From misterbhatt at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 06:30:06 2012
From: misterbhatt at gmail.com (Amit Bhatt)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:00:06 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regarding Archive messages
Message-ID: <12D6E74E583543B3B30B28DBFD8D8322@farhorizonindia.net>

Hello,

We can just see the archive til 9th March 2012 on our mailing list and after that there is no archive shown. What may be the cause?

regards,

Amit Bhatt

From turgut at kalfaoglu.com  Tue Apr  3 06:43:42 2012
From: turgut at kalfaoglu.com (=?UTF-8?B?dHVyZ3V0IGthbGZhb8SfbHU=?=)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:43:42 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suspending lists from the command line
In-Reply-To: <PC1952012040213380800936e992525@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC1952012040213380800936e992525@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4F7A7FFE.8010309@kalfaoglu.com>

Thank you very much for your feedback. I just wanted to pause mail 
processing on most lists during the primetime.
Right now I achieve the same thing by stopping mailman for a few hours 
during the prime time. However, some low-traffic,
and important lists also get suspended that way, and I would rather find 
a more elegant solution if possible.
I just would like to queue the mails coming to those lists during the 
day, release them when the server load gets low again.

Regards, -turgut


On 04/02/2012 11:38 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> turgut kalfaoglu wrote:
>
>> Hi there. During busy times I would like to suspend almost all
>> lists,except some emergency ones.. Is there a way to achieve this from
>> the command line via some script?
>
> What do you mean by suspend? What you need to do depends on the answer
> to this. If you mean you want it to appear as if the list doesn't
> exist, i.e. mail to the list is undeliverable, the list is not visible
> on the web, you could create a shell script to move Mailman's various
> lists/LISTNAME/ directories aside and, depending on how mail is
> delivered to Mailman, update the necessary things in the MTA. Note
> that in some configurations mail is routed programmatically based on
> the existance of the lists/LISTNAME/ directory, so simple moving it
> aside would be sufficient in those cases.
>
> If on the other hand you mean just set "emergency" moderation for the
> lists, consider the following bash script.
>
> #!/bin/bash
> cd /to/mailmans/bin/directory
> f=mktemp
> echo "emergency = True">  $f
> for list in `./list_lists --bare`; do
>      if [[ "$list" != "emergency_list1" \
>           &&  "$list" != "emergency_list2" \
>           &&  "$list" != "etc" ]]; then
>          ./config_list -i $f $list
>      fi
> done
> rm $f
>
>
> To reverse this, change "emergency = True" to "emergency = False" and
> run the script again.
>


From turgut at kalfaoglu.com  Tue Apr  3 06:44:17 2012
From: turgut at kalfaoglu.com (=?UTF-8?B?dHVyZ3V0IGthbGZhb8SfbHU=?=)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:44:17 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suspending lists from the command line
In-Reply-To: <PC1952012040213380800936e992525@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC1952012040213380800936e992525@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4F7A8021.3000700@kalfaoglu.com>

Thank you very much for your feedback. I just wanted to pause mail 
processing on most lists during the primetime.
Right now I achieve the same thing by stopping mailman for a few hours 
during the prime time. However, some low-traffic,
and important lists also get suspended that way, and I would rather find 
a more elegant solution if possible.
I just would like to queue the mails coming to those lists during the 
day, release them when the server load gets low again.

I tried the maximum recipients patch that is suppose to pause mailman 
after X deliveries, but it hasn't seem to have worked.

Regards, -turgut


On 04/02/2012 11:38 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> turgut kalfaoglu wrote:
>
>> Hi there. During busy times I would like to suspend almost all
>> lists,except some emergency ones.. Is there a way to achieve this from
>> the command line via some script?
>
> What do you mean by suspend? What you need to do depends on the answer
> to this. If you mean you want it to appear as if the list doesn't
> exist, i.e. mail to the list is undeliverable, the list is not visible
> on the web, you could create a shell script to move Mailman's various
> lists/LISTNAME/ directories aside and, depending on how mail is
> delivered to Mailman, update the necessary things in the MTA. Note
> that in some configurations mail is routed programmatically based on
> the existance of the lists/LISTNAME/ directory, so simple moving it
> aside would be sufficient in those cases.
>
> If on the other hand you mean just set "emergency" moderation for the
> lists, consider the following bash script.
>
> #!/bin/bash
> cd /to/mailmans/bin/directory
> f=mktemp
> echo "emergency = True">  $f
> for list in `./list_lists --bare`; do
>      if [[ "$list" != "emergency_list1" \
>           &&  "$list" != "emergency_list2" \
>           &&  "$list" != "etc" ]]; then
>          ./config_list -i $f $list
>      fi
> done
> rm $f
>
>
> To reverse this, change "emergency = True" to "emergency = False" and
> run the script again.
>


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Apr  3 06:48:53 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 21:48:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regarding Archive messages
In-Reply-To: <12D6E74E583543B3B30B28DBFD8D8322@farhorizonindia.net>
Message-ID: <PC195201204022148530656ede1e885@MSAPIRO>

Amit Bhatt wrote:
>
>We can just see the archive til 9th March 2012 on our mailing list and after that there is no archive shown. What may be the cause?


Is ArchiveRunner running? Also check Mailman's qrunner and error logs
to see why Archive Runner died or what other error's might be
preventing archiving since March 9.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Apr  3 07:00:55 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:00:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suspending lists from the command line
In-Reply-To: <4F7A8021.3000700@kalfaoglu.com>
References: <PC1952012040213380800936e992525@MSAPIRO>
	<4F7A8021.3000700@kalfaoglu.com>
Message-ID: <4F7A8407.3070408@msapiro.net>

On 4/2/2012 9:44 PM, turgut kalfao?lu wrote:
> Thank you very much for your feedback. I just wanted to pause mail
> processing on most lists during the primetime.
> Right now I achieve the same thing by stopping mailman for a few hours
> during the prime time. However, some low-traffic,
> and important lists also get suspended that way, and I would rather find
> a more elegant solution if possible.
> I just would like to queue the mails coming to those lists during the
> day, release them when the server load gets low again.


Setting emergency moderation on those lists should do what you want,
although you'll have to manually approve the posts that arrived while
emergency was in effect.


> I tried the maximum recipients patch that is suppose to pause mailman
> after X deliveries, but it hasn't seem to have worked.


What patch is that? Are you referring to the throttling patch linked
from the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/j4A9>? That should work to slow
mail delivery during peak times, but the drawback with that is it will
still deliver posts in the order they arrived, i.e., your high priority
lists won't have priority, but it should be better than just stopping
Mailman.


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From hamilton at accesswave.ca  Tue Apr  3 14:07:02 2012
From: hamilton at accesswave.ca (Robert (Bob) Hamilton)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:07:02 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regarding Archive messages
In-Reply-To: <12D6E74E583543B3B30B28DBFD8D8322@farhorizonindia.net>
References: <12D6E74E583543B3B30B28DBFD8D8322@farhorizonindia.net>
Message-ID: <6dcaac$12mqu5g@ip05.eastlink.ca>

Hi Amit,

You are not alone as I have the same problem since late January and 
it is still not resolved with the suggestions I received here. I also 
know of another user with this problem so there has to be a bug somewhere.

Regards,
Bob


At 01:30 AM 4/3/2012, Amit Bhatt wrote:
>Hello,
>
>We can just see the archive til 9th March 2012 on our mailing list 
>and after that there is no archive shown. What may be the cause?
>
>regards,
>
>Amit Bhatt
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From mj_maxi at hotmail.com  Mon Apr  2 18:45:07 2012
From: mj_maxi at hotmail.com (MJ Roxas)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:45:07 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with local network: mailman 2.1.5 +
	Sendmail
Message-ID: <BAY150-W42C4A5A003AD2D0868601A8A4C0@phx.gbl>


Hi guys, i'm having some problems with this configuration: local network
I've configured mm_cfg.py just adding:
DEFAULT_URL_HOST  
= fqdn 

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = fqdn

DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
I've set mmsite pass and created the newlist called mailman.Also i've created another list so as to test, and i've added two members to them (i can see in files that all of this is correct).I've putted new aliases in /etc/aliasesSendmail lets me send and receive local mail (i can see it in /var/spool/mail).
The problem is when i try to post something to the list.
Where does Mailman get this mail?How send it to the rest of the members? 
Sorry for my beginner questionThank! 		 	   		  

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Apr  3 18:38:51 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:38:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regarding Archive messages
In-Reply-To: <6dcaac$12mqu5g@ip05.eastlink.ca>
Message-ID: <PC1952012040309385101870f5185ee@MSAPIRO>

Robert (Bob) Hamilton wrote:
>
>You are not alone as I have the same problem since late January and 
>it is still not resolved with the suggestions I received here. I also 
>know of another user with this problem so there has to be a bug somewhere.


You posted about this in February
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2012-February/072952.html>.

In my reply
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2012-February/072956.html>
I asked "Is ArchRunner running? Have you tried stopping and starting
(as opposed to restarting) Mailman? Have you looked in Mailman's
'error' and 'qrunner' logs?"

We heard nothing further from you until now. If you think there is a
bug, please work with us to help find and fix it.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Apr  3 18:55:04 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:55:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with local network: mailman 2.1.5
	+Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <BAY150-W42C4A5A003AD2D0868601A8A4C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC195201204030955040921f35be19d@MSAPIRO>

MJ Roxas wrote:
>
>Hi guys, i'm having some problems with this configuration: local network
>I've configured mm_cfg.py just adding:
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST  
>= fqdn 
>
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = fqdn


If the assignments above are different from those in Defaults.py, you
need

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

following them.


>DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'


This is wrong. You should not have the above line. You want to use the
default DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'. The 'Sendmail' delivery module
doesn't work. It has nothing directly to do with the Sendmail MTA you
are using.


>I've set mmsite pass and created the newlist called mailman.Also i've created another list so as to test, and i've added two members to them (i can see in files that all of this is correct).I've putted new aliases in /etc/aliasesSendmail lets me send and receive local mail (i can see it in /var/spool/mail).
>The problem is when i try to post something to the list.
>Where does Mailman get this mail?How send it to the rest of the members? 


Mailman gets the mail via sendmail aliases. when you created the lists,
you should have been presented with a list of aliases to install in
/etc/aliases. You can run Mailman's bin/genaliases to reproduce the
list.

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9> for more information.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From khillo100 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  3 20:12:45 2012
From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 21:12:45 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clear queue
In-Reply-To: <4F7A3685.3050001@msapiro.net>
References: <COL105-DS17C319A13D6C57C839FB92FB4C0@phx.gbl>
	<4F7A3685.3050001@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <COL105-DS189EB46897DACA41375E23FB4D0@phx.gbl>

Thanks but there's no qfiles directory in the whole server, I searched using 
'locate' and there were no results!

please advise..



-----Original Message----- 
From: Mark Sapiro
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 2:30 AM
To: Khalil Abbas
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] clear queue

On 4/2/2012 2:56 PM, Khalil Abbas wrote:
>
> sorry I know it?s a dumb question after all these years, but how do you 
> clear the mailman queue from command line??


rm qfiles/<queue_you_want_to_clear>/*

or if you want to be more cautious

mv qfiles/<queue_you_want_to_clear> somewhere_else

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Apr  3 20:43:49 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:43:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clear queue
In-Reply-To: <COL105-DS189EB46897DACA41375E23FB4D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC1952012040311434900782cdb663f@MSAPIRO>

Khalil Abbas wrote:

>Thanks but there's no qfiles directory in the whole server, I searched using 
>'locate' and there were no results!


Try locating things like "in", "out", "retry" and "virgin"

Or ask whoever made the package you're using. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD>.

Or, if this is RedHat/Centos, see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/KYCB> and look in /var/spool/mailman.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From stephen at xemacs.org  Wed Apr  4 07:20:17 2012
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:20:17 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clear queue
In-Reply-To: <COL105-DS17C319A13D6C57C839FB92FB4C0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL105-DS17C319A13D6C57C839FB92FB4C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAL_0O1_Zh6w3VqHZZaaj9c7zm6DJhSyDww_7Q2BOwq1x+Zk3Xg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Khalil Abbas <khillo100 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> sorry I know it?s a dumb question after all these years, but how do you clear the mailman queue from command line??

Why do you think you need to do this?  I'm asking because I saw your
followup to Mark saying you couldn't find any qfiles.  That might be
because there aren't any, and whatever it is you're actually seeing is
retries from the MTA.  Of course, if you're sure I'm wrong and Mark's
on the right track, just say so, no need for further explanation.

From khillo100 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  4 07:57:16 2012
From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 08:57:16 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clear queue
In-Reply-To: <CAL_0O1_Zh6w3VqHZZaaj9c7zm6DJhSyDww_7Q2BOwq1x+Zk3Xg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <COL105-DS17C319A13D6C57C839FB92FB4C0@phx.gbl>
	<CAL_0O1_Zh6w3VqHZZaaj9c7zm6DJhSyDww_7Q2BOwq1x+Zk3Xg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL105-DS9D51403B62715D93D95E2FB320@phx.gbl>

well actually the problem is that SMTP server was not accepting messages & 
postfix crashed because there was a faulty db file, after fixing it, I 
noticed that an old feed is being dustributed by mailman and the new feeds 
are not.. I wanted to clear the mailman's queue to send the new feeds and 
found an 'out' directory and cleared all its contents which fixed the 
problem..



-----Original Message----- 
From: Stephen J. Turnbull
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:20 AM
To: Khalil Abbas
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] clear queue

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Khalil Abbas <khillo100 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> sorry I know it?s a dumb question after all these years, but how do you 
> clear the mailman queue from command line??

Why do you think you need to do this?  I'm asking because I saw your
followup to Mark saying you couldn't find any qfiles.  That might be
because there aren't any, and whatever it is you're actually seeing is
retries from the MTA.  Of course, if you're sure I'm wrong and Mark's
on the right track, just say so, no need for further explanation. 


From karthiks123 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 20:45:21 2012
From: karthiks123 at gmail.com (karthiks123 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 18:45:21 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clear queue
In-Reply-To: <PC1952012040311434900782cdb663f@MSAPIRO>
References: <COL105-DS189EB46897DACA41375E23FB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<PC1952012040311434900782cdb663f@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <1984632531-1333478721-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1825495241-@b18.c14.bise7.blackberry>

How do I create a mail distro and maintain it . With the users subscribe or unsubscribe themselves 

Sent from BlackBerry? on Airtel

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>
Sender: mailman-users-bounces+karthiks123=gmail.com at python.org
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:43:49 
To: Khalil Abbas<khillo100 at hotmail.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] clear queue

Khalil Abbas wrote:

>Thanks but there's no qfiles directory in the whole server, I searched using 
>'locate' and there were no results!


Try locating things like "in", "out", "retry" and "virgin"

Or ask whoever made the package you're using. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD>.

Or, if this is RedHat/Centos, see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/KYCB> and look in /var/spool/mailman.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From adam.h.clark at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 03:07:35 2012
From: adam.h.clark at gmail.com (Adam Clark)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:07:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing for low/sporadic traffic
Message-ID: <46F8244D-C447-47EB-9834-3FE0D4545A94@gmail.com>

From what I can gather from the docs, the bounce score:
* is incremented (by .5 or 1) each day there is a bounce
* is reset only if no bounces occur within bounce_info_stale_after days

In particular, the score is *not* altered when a message is delivered successfully.

I have some announce lists with very sporadic traffic.  So it seems I need a high bounce_info_stale_after value to ensure that things don't reset, but if I have bursts of activity I can easily wind up booting addresses that have a few transient failures but still work most of the time.

I guess -- assuming this is how things work -- my question comes down to, why doesn't the bounce score get reset or decremented by a successful delivery?

- Adam

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Apr 12 08:26:19 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:26:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing for low/sporadic traffic
In-Reply-To: <46F8244D-C447-47EB-9834-3FE0D4545A94@gmail.com>
References: <46F8244D-C447-47EB-9834-3FE0D4545A94@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F86758B.7020903@msapiro.net>

On 4/11/12 6:07 PM, Adam Clark wrote:
>> From what I can gather from the docs, the bounce score:
> * is incremented (by .5 or 1) each day there is a bounce


Actually, only by 1. Contrary to the docs, retryable failures (4xx
status, SMTP errors) are simply queued and retried. Only permanent
failures (5xx status) are scored and these are all scored as 1, even so
called soft failures such as a full mailbox.


> * is reset
> only if no bounces occur within bounce_info_stale_after days


Correct.


> In particular, the score is *not* altered when a message is delivered
> successfully.


Correct again.


> I have some announce lists with very sporadic traffic.  So it seems I
> need a high bounce_info_stale_after value to ensure that things don't
> reset, but if I have bursts of activity I can easily wind up booting
> addresses that have a few transient failures but still work most of
> the time.
> 
> I guess -- assuming this is how things work -- my question comes down
> to, why doesn't the bounce score get reset or decremented by a
> successful delivery?


Because no one ever implemented it. It would be kludgy at best to do
because no event occurs for a successful delivery so we would have to
remember every message that was sent to a user and every bounce received
would have to be matched to a sent message, and then when a bounce was
received, we'd have to check that there were no messages sent before
that that didn't bounce, and even that isn't good enough because
sometimes bounces can be delayed for several days or more and there's no
guarantee that they are reported in the order that messages were sent.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    Better use your sense - B. Dylan

From cwieland at uci.edu  Thu Apr 12 23:51:09 2012
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:51:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Output from "cron" command
Message-ID: <8A77DD8C-4557-4300-93A5-3AA0279B4BA6@uci.edu>

I just received a few hundred lines similar to this from my cron output:

File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 268, in _deepcopy_dict
   y[deepcopy(key, memo)] = deepcopy(value, memo)
 File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 174, in deepcopy
   y = copier(x, memo)
 File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 241, in _deepcopy_list
   y.append(deepcopy(a, memo))
 File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 174, in deepcopy
   y = copier(x, memo)
 File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 305, in _deepcopy_inst
   state = deepcopy(state, memo)

version 2.1.9

any ideas

Con Wielnad
Office of Information Technology
University of California at Irvine


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 13 00:33:31 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:33:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Output from "cron" command
In-Reply-To: <8A77DD8C-4557-4300-93A5-3AA0279B4BA6@uci.edu>
Message-ID: <PC19520120412153331075046a94ecd@MSAPIRO>

Con Wieland wrote:

>I just received a few hundred lines similar to this from my cron output:
>
>File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 268, in _deepcopy_dict
>   y[deepcopy(key, memo)] = deepcopy(value, memo)
> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 174, in deepcopy
>   y = copier(x, memo)
> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 241, in _deepcopy_list
>   y.append(deepcopy(a, memo))
> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 174, in deepcopy
>   y = copier(x, memo)
> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 305, in _deepcopy_inst
>   state = deepcopy(state, memo)
>
>version 2.1.9
>
>any ideas


Were there lines in the output like

Traceback (most recent call last):

If so, and if there is more than one, please post an entire traceback
starting with a line like that and continuing to the line before the
next one.

If not or if there is only one traceback, post the first 20 lines and
the last 20 lines.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 13 00:51:59 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:51:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Output from "cron" command
In-Reply-To: <PC19520120412153331075046a94ecd@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <PC195201204121551590046fdab40e9@MSAPIRO>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Con Wieland wrote:
>
>>I just received a few hundred lines similar to this from my cron output:
>>
>>File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 268, in _deepcopy_dict
>>   y[deepcopy(key, memo)] = deepcopy(value, memo)
>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 174, in deepcopy
>>   y = copier(x, memo)
>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 241, in _deepcopy_list
>>   y.append(deepcopy(a, memo))
>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 174, in deepcopy
>>   y = copier(x, memo)
>> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.py", line 305, in _deepcopy_inst
>>   state = deepcopy(state, memo)
>>
>>version 2.1.9
>>
>>any ideas
>
>
>Were there lines in the output like
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>
>If so, and if there is more than one, please post an entire traceback
>starting with a line like that and continuing to the line before the
>next one.
>
>If not or if there is only one traceback, post the first 20 lines and
>the last 20 lines.


I looked at this a bit, and copy.deepcopy is called only one place in
Mailman and that is in the production of the MIME format digest, so I
suspect the exception comes from cron/senddigests and that some list's
digest.mbox contains a message with a MIME structure such that
copy.deepcopy() gets into a loop trying to deepcopy the parsed message
object.

Finding which list is somewhat tricky. If you don't have too many
lists, you can look for which lists have lists/*/digest.mbox files,
and run

  cron/senddigests -l LISTNAME

manually, one list at a time until you find the problem list and then
look at its digest.mbox for a malformed spam message.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From gedeon007 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 14:02:08 2012
From: gedeon007 at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Guly=E1s_Kriszti=E1n?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:02:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to get "my letter is opened" information
	without Delivery or read receipts are being checked
In-Reply-To: <PC195201204121551590046fdab40e9@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC19520120412153331075046a94ecd@MSAPIRO>
	<PC195201204121551590046fdab40e9@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <001d01cd1bc8$c121cf40$43656dc0$@com>

Dear All,

I would like to send html-formatted e-mails to my customers through mailman
mailing list. I would like to know of each recepients whether they've read
my letter or not. If I use Delivery or read receipts, the recepient can
decide he / she sends me the receipts or not. But I need this information in
all cases.

Have you any ideas?

I would use an image tag for it, with an online source. The source would be
a php webpage and variables (letter id, recepient id) would be given to that
page by the letter (or Outlook, etc.) For example: <img
src='http://exapmle.com/?u=%userid%&l=%letterid%' alt="" width="1"
height="1"> When a user opens my letter, the php page would receive these
variables and it would store the "opened" information in a database by the
letter and recepient id.

I think this is a very good idea, but a very important thing is still
needed: if I send an e-mail to my mailing list with a user and letter id,
everyone in my mailing list would receive his / her mail with the same ids.
So this solution isn't a per user solution (I only know that my letter was
opened at least once).

Is there any solution to change the %userid% string to the recepient's
e-mail address for each recepient's mail by mailman?

Thank you very much!

Best Regards,


Chris


From Richard at Damon-Family.org  Mon Apr 16 14:58:15 2012
From: Richard at Damon-Family.org (Richard Damon)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:58:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to get "my letter is opened" information
 without Delivery or read receipts are being checked
In-Reply-To: <001d01cd1bc8$c121cf40$43656dc0$@com>
References: <PC19520120412153331075046a94ecd@MSAPIRO>
	<PC195201204121551590046fdab40e9@MSAPIRO>
	<001d01cd1bc8$c121cf40$43656dc0$@com>
Message-ID: <4F8C1767.6020906@Damon-Family.org>

On 4/16/12 8:02 AM, Guly?s Kriszti?n wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I would like to send html-formatted e-mails to my customers through mailman
> mailing list. I would like to know of each recepients whether they've read
> my letter or not. If I use Delivery or read receipts, the recepient can
> decide he / she sends me the receipts or not. But I need this information in
> all cases.
>
> Have you any ideas?
>
> I would use an image tag for it, with an online source. The source would be
> a php webpage and variables (letter id, recepient id) would be given to that
> page by the letter (or Outlook, etc.) For example: <img
> src='http://exapmle.com/?u=%userid%&l=%letterid%' alt="" width="1"
> height="1"> When a user opens my letter, the php page would receive these
> variables and it would store the "opened" information in a database by the
> letter and recepient id.
>
> I think this is a very good idea, but a very important thing is still
> needed: if I send an e-mail to my mailing list with a user and letter id,
> everyone in my mailing list would receive his / her mail with the same ids.
> So this solution isn't a per user solution (I only know that my letter was
> opened at least once).
>
> Is there any solution to change the %userid% string to the recepient's
> e-mail address for each recepient's mail by mailman?
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Chris
>
You will need to enable personalization for the list, which allows for
each person to get their own personal copy of the message with some
customizations allowed.

This may still not be enough, as what you are trying to do is exactly
what some spam tries to do to verify email addresses, and many email
programs will, at least by default, block this. Unless you have some
"authority" over your recipients so that you can impose a penalty on
them for not letting you know that they got the message, it will always
be unreliable, and there will always be a significant number of people
who have read the message without letting you know of it (unless you put
the message in the image, or on a link, so the have to go to the net to
see it).

-- 
Richard Damon


From bernd at petrovitsch.priv.at  Mon Apr 16 14:26:36 2012
From: bernd at petrovitsch.priv.at (Bernd Petrovitsch)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:26:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to get "my letter is opened" information
 without Delivery or read receipts are being checked
In-Reply-To: <001d01cd1bc8$c121cf40$43656dc0$@com>
References: <PC19520120412153331075046a94ecd@MSAPIRO>
	<PC195201204121551590046fdab40e9@MSAPIRO>
	<001d01cd1bc8$c121cf40$43656dc0$@com>
Message-ID: <1334579197.1307.15.camel@thorin>

Hi!

First, do not hijack threads.

On Mon, 2012-04-16 at 14:02 +0200, Guly?s Kriszti?n wrote:
[...]
> I would like to send html-formatted e-mails to my customers through mailman
> mailing list. I would like to know of each recepients whether they've read
> my letter or not. If I use Delivery or read receipts, the recepient can
> decide he / she sends me the receipts or not. But I need this information in
> all cases.

Are you building lists of actually read email addresses?
Guess what I'm thinking right now .....

> Have you any ideas?

Generally, don't do it because just someone "opened" the mail, it
doesn't imply that s/he read it. And reading it doesn't imply the s/he
understands it.
So what do you want to do with that information?

> I would use an image tag for it, with an online source. The source would be
> a php webpage and variables (letter id, recepient id) would be given to that
> page by the letter (or Outlook, etc.) For example: <img
> src='http://exapmle.com/?u=%userid%&l=%letterid%' alt="" width="1"
> height="1"> When a user opens my letter, the php page would receive these
> variables and it would store the "opened" information in a database by the
> letter and recepient id.

Some people (including me) do not read HTML-Mails (but only plain/text),
also for that reason.

Kind regards,
	Bernd
-- 
Bernd Petrovitsch                  Email : bernd at petrovitsch.priv.at
                     LUGA : http://www.luga.at


From bsfinkel at att.net  Mon Apr 16 18:40:37 2012
From: bsfinkel at att.net (Barry S, Finkel)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:40:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to get "my letter is opened" information
 without Delivery or read receipts are being checked
In-Reply-To: <1334579197.1307.15.camel@thorin>
References: <PC19520120412153331075046a94ecd@MSAPIRO>
	<PC195201204121551590046fdab40e9@MSAPIRO>
	<001d01cd1bc8$c121cf40$43656dc0$@com>
	<1334579197.1307.15.camel@thorin>
Message-ID: <4F8C4B85.1040704@att.net>

On 4/16/2012 7:26 AM, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
> Generally, don't do it because just someone "opened" the mail, it
> doesn't imply that s/he read it. And reading it doesn't imply the s/he
> understands it.
IIRC, the mail RFCs state that the header line:

      Return-Receipt Requested:

is not standardized in its implementation.  The return receipt might be
sent

      when the mail is placed in the recipient's mailbox, or
      when the recipient opens the mail, or
      the recipient's Mail User Agent might ignore the line.

Thus, there is no way to know for sure that the recipient has read
the mail except, of course, to request that the recipient send a
reply.
--Barry Finkel

From vulch at vulch.org  Mon Apr 16 16:14:43 2012
From: vulch at vulch.org (Anthony Frost)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:14:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to get "my letter is opened" information
 without Delivery or read receipts are being checked
In-Reply-To: <1334579197.1307.15.camel@thorin>
References: <PC19520120412153331075046a94ecd@MSAPIRO>	<PC195201204121551590046fdab40e9@MSAPIRO>	<001d01cd1bc8$c121cf40$43656dc0$@com>
	<1334579197.1307.15.camel@thorin>
Message-ID: <4F8C2953.2090708@vulch.org>

Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:

>> I would use an image tag for it, with an online source. The source would be
>> a php webpage and variables (letter id, recepient id) would be given to that
>> page by the letter (or Outlook, etc.) 
> 
> Some people (including me) do not read HTML-Mails (but only plain/text),
> also for that reason.

It would also fall foul of the UK government interpretation of the EU
Privacy and Communications Directive, and probably of other EU nations
legislation interpreting the directive. The main target of the directive
is cookies, but other means are also covered.

         Anthony


From michael at goinggone.com.au  Tue Apr 17 04:16:19 2012
From: michael at goinggone.com.au (MIchael)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:16:19 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pay someone to install for me
Message-ID: <CAFGLwnLzmD8f+WrDAo9san5HwM+TiUta_1paTSAJap_LNMq1HA@mail.gmail.com>

hi all

hoping someone can help me out here....


i purchased a hosting package but it does not have any mail list function

id like to use mailman to manage a list of 20-30 people. very small. send
email to listname at mydomain all 30 people get the email. dont need any email
marketing or other fancy functions

i'm taking offers from people who would be able to install this on my
webserver for me.

let me know what sort of money you are  after to help me out with this

thanks in advance

michael at goinggone.com.au

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Apr 17 23:00:13 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:00:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pay someone to install for me
In-Reply-To: <CAFGLwnLzmD8f+WrDAo9san5HwM+TiUta_1paTSAJap_LNMq1HA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204171400130140923b5d19@MSAPIRO>

MIchael wrote:
>
>i purchased a hosting package but it does not have any mail list function
>
>id like to use mailman to manage a list of 20-30 people. very small. send
>email to listname at mydomain all 30 people get the email. dont need any email
>marketing or other fancy functions
>
>i'm taking offers from people who would be able to install this on my
>webserver for me.


There are a couple of people listed at
<http://wiki.list.org/display/COM/Mailman+consulting+services>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From runner at winning.com  Tue Apr 17 21:34:57 2012
From: runner at winning.com (runner at winning.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:34:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cancelling new subscriber notifications
Message-ID: <20120417193457.323380@gmx.com>

Running mailman 2.1.9

 Someone set up a legit list with 35,000 subscribers and they accidentally checked the box to send out subscribe notifications. So now there are 35,000 emails going to users telling them they are new members of this list. I went in and changed the list settings but it's too late. Is there any way I can stop mailman from finishing sending out subscribe notifications? It will probably take hours to get through the entire list. I can't find anything. I am going to check to see if I can do anything in postfix but thought I'd try one last ditch effort here in the mailman forum.

 --Rick--

From Daryl.Weir at lis.state.oh.us  Wed Apr 18 04:21:59 2012
From: Daryl.Weir at lis.state.oh.us (Daryl Weir)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:21:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Un/subscribe to a Mailman list via a publicly
	available website
Message-ID: <87B9BB90FC6C5F44BA12E3162729F0101F17B21D13@guild>

Greetings:

We have a number of public websites which provide users with updated information about the site through a Mailman list. Currently, users can complete a typical HTML form and submit their email address.  The website sends an email to a staff person's email account who then manually subscribes the email address using the Mailman admin website.

We'd like to remove the manual process and program the website in such a way the user's email address is sent to the list and it is automatically subscribed.

I've read copious amounts of Mailman documentation and list archives but haven't figured out how this could be done. We tried having the website "spoof" an email coming from the user but this didn't pan out in part because of the password issue.

Is this even possible to do with Mailman? Any suggestions would be most appreciated.



From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Apr 18 06:25:54 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:25:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cancelling new subscriber notifications
In-Reply-To: <20120417193457.323380@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952012041721255404068a72a8cc@MSAPIRO>

runner at winning.com wrote:
>
> Someone set up a legit list with 35,000 subscribers and they accidentally checked the box to send out subscribe notifications. So now there are 35,000 emails going to users telling them they are new members of this list. I went in and changed the list settings but it's too late. Is there any way I can stop mailman from finishing sending out subscribe notifications? It will probably take hours to get through the entire list. I can't find anything. I am going to check to see if I can do anything in postfix but thought I'd try one last ditch effort here in the mailman forum.


It's probably moot at this point, but the notifications are created and
queued in Mailman's 'virgin' queue. They are then processed by
Mailman's VirginRunner and queued for delivery in Mailman's 'out'
queue from where they are picked up by Mailman's OutgoingRunner and
delivered to Postfix.

You could first stop Mailman. That will stop the runners and leave
unprocessed messages in the queues. These will be *.pck files in the
virgin/ and/or out/ queue directories (default source install puts
these in /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/, but they could be anywhere).

I suspect however, that by the time you figured out what was happening,
all the messages had been delivered to Postfix and deleting any that
weren't sent was a Postfix issue.

You could look at Mailman's 'smtp' log to see when Mailman started and
finished delivering these to Postfix.

Note that you can't just remove virgin/*.pck and out/*.pck as there may
be other notices and list posts there too. You might be able to tell
by size or timestamp (timestamp for 'virgin') which ones you want, but
to be certain, you'd need to examine the files with the strings
command or Mailman's bin/dumpdb or bin/show_qfiles.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Apr 18 06:31:45 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:31:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Un/subscribe to a Mailman list via a
	publiclyavailable website
In-Reply-To: <87B9BB90FC6C5F44BA12E3162729F0101F17B21D13@guild>
Message-ID: <PC19520120417213145000041749bed@MSAPIRO>


Daryl Weir wrote:
>
>We'd like to remove the manual process and program the website in such a way the user's email address is sent to the list and it is automatically subscribed.

To put a subscribe form on your web site, see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/hIA9>. Note that submission of this form will
honor the list's subscribe_policy and will require either user
confirmation, admin approval or both unless you allow totally open
subscription which is not a good idea.

To do something more sophisticated where the web page has validated the
subscription and wants to do the subscribe with no further
confirmation or approval, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/uIA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From wcook at mycoachonline.com  Wed Apr 18 16:40:23 2012
From: wcook at mycoachonline.com (Wayne Cook)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:40:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting Up Mailman
In-Reply-To: <001d01cd1bc8$c121cf40$43656dc0$@com>
References: <PC19520120412153331075046a94ecd@MSAPIRO>
	<PC195201204121551590046fdab40e9@MSAPIRO>
	<001d01cd1bc8$c121cf40$43656dc0$@com>
Message-ID: <BF33C94F-F4AB-4C6C-B18A-FA3890E303B9@mycoachonline.com>

I'm trying to move mailman from OSX server to OSX client on a mac mini with OSX 10.6 installed on the machine.

I'm not a terminal expert, but can usually follow and figure things out, so I'm attempting to follow these instructions as closely as possible:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-May/069385.html

Obviously I'm not doing something correctly because stuff isn't giving me the correct response when I check to see what python processes are running.

I have some screen shots here:

http://www.mycoachonline.com/mailmanshots/

if anyone sees anything obvious or has some thoughts I'd love to hear them!

Thanks
W

PS  I think there is a typo in step 8 of the instructions, but I've tried it as written and the two ways that I think it should be written.  It says create "start_mailman.sh" and the next line is "vi mailman_start.sh", which may be correct if you know what you're doing, but to a novice like me it looks like one begins with start and the other begins with mailman...should it be as written or modified?


Wayne Cook
wcook at mycoachonline.com
http://www.mycoachonline.com/

-------------------

I've flown faster than the speed of sound, stared down a shark while standing on the ocean floor and launched men into space.
Care to join me tomorrow?


From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com  Wed Apr 18 18:09:17 2012
From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:09:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting Up Mailman
In-Reply-To: <BF33C94F-F4AB-4C6C-B18A-FA3890E303B9@mycoachonline.com>
References: <PC19520120412153331075046a94ecd@MSAPIRO>
	<PC195201204121551590046fdab40e9@MSAPIRO>
	<001d01cd1bc8$c121cf40$43656dc0$@com>
	<BF33C94F-F4AB-4C6C-B18A-FA3890E303B9@mycoachonline.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.00.1204181056230.55794@albion.stonejongleux.com>

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Wayne Cook wrote:

> I'm trying to move mailman from OSX server to OSX client on a mac mini 
> with OSX 10.6 installed on the machine.
>
> I'm not a terminal expert, but can usually follow and figure things out, 
> so I'm attempting to follow these instructions as closely as possible:
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-May/069385.html

I'm the author of that.

> Obviously I'm not doing something correctly because stuff isn't giving 
> me the correct response when I check to see what python processes are 
> running.
>
> I have some screen shots here:
>
> http://www.mycoachonline.com/mailmanshots/

Unfortunately, that page appears to be broken. Firefox just displays the 
alternate text and IE gives a red X.

> PS I think there is a typo in step 8 of the instructions, but I've tried 
> it as written and the two ways that I think it should be written.  It 
> says create "start_mailman.sh" and the next line is "vi 
> mailman_start.sh", which may be correct if you know what you're doing, 
> but to a novice like me it looks like one begins with start and the 
> other begins with mailman...should it be as written or modified?

That is an error. It is start_mailman.sh.

But I am concerned that with three references in Step 8 to the file as 
start_mailman.sh and just the one as mailman_start.sh, you only THINK it's 
a typo. Even though it's Terminal and not a GUI, if you can't recognize 
that as an obvious typo, you might well be in over your head. Running 
server software requires an understanding of how things should be working 
to recognize when they're not working.

And also, I assume familiarity with a Terminal text editor. While I've 
given you the format of the Terminal command to edit the file in vi (and 
vi is not the only way to edit a text file, it's just the one I know and 
use), I have not given you all the needed vi commands to create the file. 
If you merely typed the lines I said need to be be in the file without any 
vi commands, you did not end up with the file you need.

-- Larry Stone
    lstone19 at stonejongleux.com

From wcook at mycoachonline.com  Wed Apr 18 18:51:18 2012
From: wcook at mycoachonline.com (Wayne Cook)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:51:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting Up Mailman
In-Reply-To: <alpine.OSX.2.00.1204181056230.55794@albion.stonejongleux.com>
References: <PC19520120412153331075046a94ecd@MSAPIRO>
	<PC195201204121551590046fdab40e9@MSAPIRO>
	<001d01cd1bc8$c121cf40$43656dc0$@com>
	<BF33C94F-F4AB-4C6C-B18A-FA3890E303B9@mycoachonline.com>
	<alpine.OSX.2.00.1204181056230.55794@albion.stonejongleux.com>
Message-ID: <FC4048D4-B0F2-4AD3-AA47-392A458F649C@mycoachonline.com>

Your article is a LIFESAVER Larry, and I can GUARENTEE YOU that I'm in over my head!

Hopefully with help I can muddle through this and learn something...the links to the screen shots should work now:

http://www.mycoachonline.com/mailmanshots/

W
:)


Wayne Cook
wcook at mycoachonline.com
http://www.mycoachonline.com/

-------------------

I've flown faster than the speed of sound, stared down a shark while standing on the ocean floor and launched men into space.
Care to join me tomorrow?

On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Larry Stone wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Wayne Cook wrote:
> 
>> I'm trying to move mailman from OSX server to OSX client on a mac mini with OSX 10.6 installed on the machine.
>> 
>> I'm not a terminal expert, but can usually follow and figure things out, so I'm attempting to follow these instructions as closely as possible:
>> 
>> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-May/069385.html
> 
> I'm the author of that.
> 
>> Obviously I'm not doing something correctly because stuff isn't giving me the correct response when I check to see what python processes are running.
>> 
>> I have some screen shots here:
>> 
>> http://www.mycoachonline.com/mailmanshots/
> 
> Unfortunately, that page appears to be broken. Firefox just displays the alternate text and IE gives a red X.
> 
>> PS I think there is a typo in step 8 of the instructions, but I've tried it as written and the two ways that I think it should be written.  It says create "start_mailman.sh" and the next line is "vi mailman_start.sh", which may be correct if you know what you're doing, but to a novice like me it looks like one begins with start and the other begins with mailman...should it be as written or modified?
> 
> That is an error. It is start_mailman.sh.
> 
> But I am concerned that with three references in Step 8 to the file as start_mailman.sh and just the one as mailman_start.sh, you only THINK it's a typo. Even though it's Terminal and not a GUI, if you can't recognize that as an obvious typo, you might well be in over your head. Running server software requires an understanding of how things should be working to recognize when they're not working.
> 
> And also, I assume familiarity with a Terminal text editor. While I've given you the format of the Terminal command to edit the file in vi (and vi is not the only way to edit a text file, it's just the one I know and use), I have not given you all the needed vi commands to create the file. If you merely typed the lines I said need to be be in the file without any vi commands, you did not end up with the file you need.
> 
> -- Larry Stone
>   lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/wcook%40mycoachonline.com


From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com  Wed Apr 18 20:21:47 2012
From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:21:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting Up Mailman
In-Reply-To: <FC4048D4-B0F2-4AD3-AA47-392A458F649C@mycoachonline.com>
References: <PC19520120412153331075046a94ecd@MSAPIRO>
	<PC195201204121551590046fdab40e9@MSAPIRO>
	<001d01cd1bc8$c121cf40$43656dc0$@com>
	<BF33C94F-F4AB-4C6C-B18A-FA3890E303B9@mycoachonline.com>
	<alpine.OSX.2.00.1204181056230.55794@albion.stonejongleux.com>
	<FC4048D4-B0F2-4AD3-AA47-392A458F649C@mycoachonline.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.00.1204181309590.57906@albion.stonejongleux.com>

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Wayne Cook wrote:

> Your article is a LIFESAVER Larry, and I can GUARENTEE YOU that I'm in over
> my head!
> Hopefully with help I can muddle through this and learn something...the
> links to the screen shots should work now:
> 
> http://www.mycoachonline.com/mailmanshots/

Screenshots of OS X windows aren't all that useful. They're just showing 
us that a file of the given name exists somewhere. It doesn't show us if 
it's exactly the right place or the contents.

For the first window, two problems: 1) file name - as discussed in the 
previous note it should be start_mailman.sh and 2) more importantly, I'm 
pretty sure it's in the wrong directory. We want that in /var/root (at 
least we do if the that's where we told it would be mailman.plist)

Please do the following in Terminal and send me the output including 
everything you typed and everything returned in response:

cd /var/root
ls -l *mailman*
cat *mailman*.sh
cd /Library/LaunchDaemons
cat mailman.plist

The start obviously failed but any output from it should be logged in 
/var/log/system.log. Try:
grep -i mailman /var/log/system.log
and include any output returned.


-- Larry Stone
    lstone19 at stonejongleux.com

>       On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Wayne Cook wrote:
>
>             I'm trying to move mailman from OSX server to OSX
>             client on a mac mini with OSX 10.6 installed on the
>             machine.
> 
>
>             I'm not a terminal expert, but can usually follow
>             and figure things out, so I'm attempting to follow
>             these instructions as closely as possible:
> 
>
>             http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-May/069385.html
> 
>
>       I'm the author of that.
>
>             Obviously I'm not doing something correctly because
>             stuff isn't giving me the correct response when I
>             check to see what python processes are running.
> 
>
>             I have some screen shots here:
> 
>
>             http://www.mycoachonline.com/mailmanshots/
> 
>
>       Unfortunately, that page appears to be broken. Firefox just
>       displays the alternate text and IE gives a red X.
>
>             PS I think there is a typo in step 8 of the
>             instructions, but I've tried it as written and the
>             two ways that I think it should be written. ?It says
>             create "start_mailman.sh" and the next line is "vi
>             mailman_start.sh", which may be correct if you know
>             what you're doing, but to a novice like me it looks
>             like one begins with start and the other begins with
>             mailman...should it be as written or modified?
> 
>
>       That is an error. It is start_mailman.sh.
>
>       But I am concerned that with three references in Step 8 to the
>       file as start_mailman.sh and just the one as mailman_start.sh,
>       you only THINK it's a typo. Even though it's Terminal and not a
>       GUI, if you can't recognize that as an obvious typo, you might
>       well be in over your head. Running server software requires an
>       understanding of how things should be working to recognize when
>       they're not working.
>
>       And also, I assume familiarity with a Terminal text editor.
>       While I've given you the format of the Terminal command to edit
>       the file in vi (and vi is not the only way to edit a text file,
>       it's just the one I know and use), I have not given you all the
>       needed vi commands to create the file. If you merely typed the
>       lines I said need to be be in the file without any vi commands,
>       you did not end up with the file you need.
>
>       -- Larry Stone
>       ??lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
>       ------------------------------------------------------
>       Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org
>       http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>       Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
>       Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
>       Searchable Archives:
>       http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>       Unsubscribe:http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/wcook%40mycoachonline.
>       com
> 
> 
> 
>

From dave at fiteyes.com  Thu Apr 19 04:31:04 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:31:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] which firewall ports does Mailman require to be
	opened?
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU4ny12Hjr89Byco=DPEZrQXxZm9Tu5tn6zQGVxciemDsQ@mail.gmail.com>

On an Ubuntu 10.04 server that does nothing but run Mailman (with Postfix)
in a completely standard installation, which ports should be opened in
iptables? Everything except Mailman and SSH is going to be denied.

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Thu Apr 19 17:30:57 2012
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:30:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] which firewall ports does Mailman require to be
 opened?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU4ny12Hjr89Byco=DPEZrQXxZm9Tu5tn6zQGVxciemDsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU4ny12Hjr89Byco=DPEZrQXxZm9Tu5tn6zQGVxciemDsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120419153057.GM4721@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:31:04PM -0400, David wrote:
> On an Ubuntu 10.04 server that does nothing but run Mailman (with Postfix)
> in a completely standard installation, which ports should be opened in
> iptables? Everything except Mailman and SSH is going to be denied.

I'd enable DNS, NTP, HTTP/HTTPS, SMTP, (S)Submission.

YMMV.

-- 
"To do each day two things one dislikes is a precept I have followed
 scrupulously: every day I have got up and I have gone to bed."
    -- W Somerset Maugham

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Apr 19 18:07:20 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:07:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] which firewall ports does Mailman require to
	beopened?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU4ny12Hjr89Byco=DPEZrQXxZm9Tu5tn6zQGVxciemDsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204190907200140a43e6660@MSAPIRO>

David wrote:

>On an Ubuntu 10.04 server that does nothing but run Mailman (with Postfix)
>in a completely standard installation, which ports should be opened in
>iptables? Everything except Mailman and SSH is going to be denied.


Mailman itself requires only the ability to send to the outgoing SMTP
server which by default is localhost 25.

Postfix will require port 25 to be open for incoming mail.

If you are going to support Mailman's web interface, the port used to
access the web server (normally 80) must be open.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dave at fiteyes.com  Thu Apr 19 22:56:36 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:56:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages as
 discussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last mailman footer?
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU5aq4ddYav=h3WdqRPv4AAajV+ZZbLsBv1Mpvy7=nOp=g@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure what you call the long tail of footers that accumulates on
messages, but I would like to eliminate all prior footers (from the same
list). When the new reply goes out, it should include only one footer. BTW,
we're using full personalization and one link in the footer is like this:
%(user_optionsurl)s

We could wrap the footer in a tag of some type if that would help. Any
suggestions? I would think this is a common request, but I can't find any
mention of it anywhere.

Regards,
Dave

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 20 01:40:27 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:40:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages
	asdiscussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last
	mailman footer?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU5aq4ddYav=h3WdqRPv4AAajV+ZZbLsBv1Mpvy7=nOp=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952012041916402705317ae0b12e@MSAPIRO>

David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:

>I'm not sure what you call the long tail of footers that accumulates on
>messages, but I would like to eliminate all prior footers (from the same
>list). When the new reply goes out, it should include only one footer. BTW,
>we're using full personalization and one link in the footer is like this:
>%(user_optionsurl)s
>
>We could wrap the footer in a tag of some type if that would help. Any
>suggestions? I would think this is a common request, but I can't find any
>mention of it anywhere.


The short answer is train your users to not top-post and to quote
minimally.

Given that that is impossible, doing this would be best accomplished
with a custom handler. See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9>
for information on installing custom handlers.

You could implement a handler that does something along the lines of
the following. It's tricky because the footer may be quoted and we
don't know what the quote characters are. It's even trickier if the
list allows HTML alternatives, and trickier still because of
personalized replacements. A basic idea is:

def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
    for part in msg.walk():
        if part.get_content_maintype == 'text':
            clean_footers(mlist, part)

def clean_footers(mlist, part):
    txt = part.get_payload(decode=True)
    newtxt = []
    changed = False
    for bodyline in txt.splitlines(keepends=True):
        for footline in mlist.msg_footer.splitlines():
            footline = footline.strip()
            if not footline:
                continue
        if bodyline.find(footline) >= 0:
            continue
            changed = True
        else:
            newtxt.append(bodyline)
    if changed:
        part.set_payload(''.join(newtxt)


What this will essentially do is remove from all text parts every line
that contains as a substring any non-empty line of the list's
msg_footer, but it doesn't handle replacements, and HTML makes it
tricky because there may be added HTML tags that would cause the
'find' to fail, and there may be non-footer text on the same HTML
source line as footer text.

To do replacements, instead of

        for footline in mlist.msg_footer.splitlines():

you'd need something like:

        d = SafeDict({})
        for user in msg.get_senders():
            if mlist.is_member(user):
                d['user_optionsurl'] = mlist.GetOptionsURL(user)
                break
        d.update({'real_name'     : mlist.real_name,
                  'list_name'     : mlist.internal_name(),
                  # For backwards compatibility
                  '_internal_name': mlist.internal_name(),
                  'host_name'     : mlist.host_name,
                  'web_page_url'  : mlist.web_page_url,
                  'description'   : mlist.description,
                  'info'          : mlist.info,
                  'cgiext'        : mm_cfg.CGIEXT,
                  })
        footlines = mlist.msg_footer % d
        for footline in footlines:

plus

from Mailman import mm_cfg
from Mailman.SafeDict import SafeDict

at the beginning of the module.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri Apr 20 04:56:48 2012
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:56:48 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages as
 discussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last mailman footer?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU5aq4ddYav=h3WdqRPv4AAajV+ZZbLsBv1Mpvy7=nOp=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU5aq4ddYav=h3WdqRPv4AAajV+ZZbLsBv1Mpvy7=nOp=g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure what you call the long tail of footers that accumulates on
> messages,

Collateral damage from MUAs That Only A Professional Programmer Who
Hates His Job (And His Users) Could Love[tm].  Because of the
potential for damaging author's content, this really should be handled
by the author's MUA, but the only ones I know of that do are based on
Emacs, which sort of rules out usage by all but a miniscule fraction
of the user population.

> but I would like to eliminate all prior footers (from the same list).

As Mark points out, this is hard to do well, and impossible to do
right (where we define "right" to mean "cannot possibly damage the
author's intended content").

However, the code he suggests should do very well (up to 100% for
lists where top-posting is the rule, at least if you're able and
willing to look at any posts where it doesn't work and tweak the
regexps a bit).

If users are really bothered by it, Gmail does a very good job of
eliding quoted content, including footers.  (A user has to be pretty
bothered to even think about changing his MUA, of course.  But it's
possible some are looking for alternatives anyway.)

> I would think this is a common request, but I can't find any
> mention of it anywhere.

Does this actually bother your users?  IME lists where this is a
problem, it's a much smaller problem than top-posting itself, and the
users aren't going to notice because they don't read any of the
included content anyway.  I suspect that's why nobody (that I can
remember) has ever asked for this before.

From dave at fiteyes.com  Fri Apr 20 06:06:39 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:06:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages as
 discussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last mailman footer?
In-Reply-To: <CAL_0O1-0obMEJ_URW18KujJErXWNp94k3V8+H9jvDuC8JRHsQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU5aq4ddYav=h3WdqRPv4AAajV+ZZbLsBv1Mpvy7=nOp=g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen at xemacs.org>wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
>
> > I would think this is a common request, but I can't find any
> > mention of it anywhere.
>
> Does this actually bother your users?  IME lists where this is a
> problem, it's a much smaller problem than top-posting itself, and the
> users aren't going to notice because they don't read any of the
> included content anyway.  I suspect that's why nobody (that I can
> remember) has ever asked for this before.
>

Stephen and Mark - you guys have given me a lot of good advice. I
appreciate it.

Maybe I can narrow my problem and find a better solution without the
challenges of a general solution.

The main issue is that we include a personalized "instant unsubscribe" link
in the footer, no password required. Our users seem to really want/need
this. Many times they cannot unsubscribe themselves with any other method
we have tried. However, we did not initially consider that any one person
can easily unsubscribe another person in the thread because of the
accumulated footers.

Here are our current personalized footers:

%(real_name)s mailing list
Reply to: %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
Your settings: %(user_optionsurl)s
Remove me from this list:
 %(user_optionsurl)s?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1&password=%(user_password)s

It would probably be satisfactory to remove any url containing the string
"unsubconfirm". Removing the user's user_optionsurl link would be nice, but
not as absolutely necessary.

I can probably find a good regex that will recognize a URL and I can tailor
that to match only URLs like the above. Given that, is there a custom
module that is built to apply regular expressions for search/replace? I
don't know Python. (But I would love to learn it when time permits.)

I reviewed http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030615.

Coding the handler module itself requires some knowledge of Python and
Mailman and won't be discussed further here except that there is a simple
template/example at
MyHandler.py<http://wiki.list.org/download/attachments/4030615/MyHandler.py?version=1&modificationDate=1283485784289>
.

Using that template for my purposes would require much more than changing a
couple lines of code, so I don't think I can adapt/use it. I'm hoping
someone has already created a handler for the purpose of doing a
regex-based search/replace. Searching Google on "mailman search replace
module OR handler" didn't turn up anything, however.

Regards,
David

From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri Apr 20 08:28:50 2012
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:28:50 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages as
 discussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last mailman footer?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU7jvvutdNCDq6y+SQct=RXecodh+5-5_x7i_j9i=4zJ0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU5aq4ddYav=h3WdqRPv4AAajV+ZZbLsBv1Mpvy7=nOp=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL_0O1-0obMEJ_URW18KujJErXWNp94k3V8+H9jvDuC8JRHsQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH=dxU7jvvutdNCDq6y+SQct=RXecodh+5-5_x7i_j9i=4zJ0g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:06 PM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
> The main issue is that we include a personalized "instant unsubscribe" link
> in the footer, no password required. Our users seem to really want/need
> this.

Aha.  Now this all makes sense.

An alternative to requiring a password is to require confirmation via
their email address.  This does have the very undesirable feature that
users can still really annoy others by banging on their unsubscribe
link, thus resulting in spam to the targeted user.  But if it's not
deliberate harassment, this might help.  (It would also be possible,
but I suspect it's unimplemented, to refuse to send more than one
unsubscribe confirmation per time period.)

> Remove me from this list:
> ?%(user_optionsurl)s?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1&password=%(user_password)s

Ouch ... this presents a lot of opportunity for harrassment, since the
user's password will be sent around in clear.

> I can probably find a good regex that will recognize a URL and I can tailor
> that to match only URLs like the above. Given that, is there a custom
> module that is built to apply regular expressions for search/replace? I
> don't know Python. (But I would love to learn it when time permits.)

>>> import re
>>> cre = re.compile(r'some regex|other')
>>> result = cre.sub('', 'A string containing some other')
>>> print result
'A string containing '

The idiom is a little unintuitive; there is also a function re.sub you could use

result = re.sub(r'some regex|other', '', 'A string containing some other')

which gives the same result, marginally less efficiently.  (It used to
be that the regular expression was compiled fairly frequently if you
used the same regexp repeatedly, but now a fairly large number of
compiled regular expressions are cached, so the overhead is limited to
finding the right compiled regexp.)

For URLs in particular, you might want to look at the urlparse module.
 I don't remember how it's implemented but there's probably a regexp
for URLs in the source.

> Using that template for my purposes would require much more than changing a
> couple lines of code, so I don't think I can adapt/use it. I'm hoping
> someone has already created a handler for the purpose of doing a
> regex-based search/replace. Searching Google on "mailman search replace
> module OR handler" didn't turn up anything, however.

Do you understand how Handlers work?  What you do is put the code that
Mark suggested in a separate file in the Handlers directory, figure
out where you want the Handler to run, and then put

GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(position, 'ExcessFooterTrimmer')

in mm_cfg.py.

It's also possible to do this per list (eg, for testing on a single
list) by creating the Handler file, and instead of using the
GLOBAL_PIPELINE above, use

$ cd /var/lib/mailman           # or whereever mailman's library code is
$ bin/withlist -i test-list
> m.lock()
> m.pipeline = GLOBAL_PIPELINE
> m.pipeline.insert(position, 'ExcessFooterTrimmer')
> m.save()
> quit()
$

If that sounds more reasonable, feel free to ask for more detailed and
accurate information (I'm just going off the top of my head here, but
the kind and amount of work involved is correct).

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 20 08:38:55 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:38:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages
	asdiscussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last
	mailman footer?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU7jvvutdNCDq6y+SQct=RXecodh+5-5_x7i_j9i=4zJ0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520120419233855023481249861@MSAPIRO>

David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
>
>The main issue is that we include a personalized "instant unsubscribe" link
>in the footer, no password required. Our users seem to really want/need
>this. Many times they cannot unsubscribe themselves with any other method
>we have tried. However, we did not initially consider that any one person
>can easily unsubscribe another person in the thread because of the
>accumulated footers.


This is the danger of including an 'instant, no confirmation required'
unsubscribe link in list messages.

My experience based on running Topica.com lists for some time is that
you can mung or remove the instant unsub URL in messages that pass
back through the list (Topica does this), but this is only a partial
solution. Your users will still forward list posts to others 'off
list' and the others will click the link thinking they are
unsubscribing themselves or just out of curiousity or maliciously to
'teach a lesson'.

You've probably thought about this and feel that even the simple
confirmation email from an unsub without password is too high a hurdle
for some of your users, but I'm surprised that other users are not
complaining about your mailing passwords in the clear with every list
post.

Stephen has just replied with most of what I was going to add to this,
so I'll let you digest that, and if you need more specific coding or
regexp help, let us know.


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dave at fiteyes.com  Fri Apr 20 20:52:56 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:52:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages
 asdiscussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last mailman footer?
In-Reply-To: <PC19520120419233855023481249861@MSAPIRO>
References: <CAH=dxU7jvvutdNCDq6y+SQct=RXecodh+5-5_x7i_j9i=4zJ0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC19520120419233855023481249861@MSAPIRO>
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On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

>
>
> Stephen has just replied with most of what I was going to add to this,
> so I'll let you digest that, and if you need more specific coding or
> regexp help, let us know.
>
>
> Mark, Stephen: yes, you both gave me a lot of useful info again. It was
very tempting to pursue the regex solution, but I think we are going to try
the simplest solution first. We will eliminate the 'instant, no
confirmation required' unsubscribe link in footer and then see how our
members deal with other unsubscribe options.

I like the following Mailman options page:

%(web_page_url)soptions/%(list_name)s

A footer link to this page may work well because it has a clearly visible
unsubscribe option.

This leads to two questions:

1. Where is the html template for this options page? It is not one of the
items found at "Edit the public HTML pages and text files". (The only
related template I see is for the page that is shown *after* logging in to
the above page.)

2. Where is the text for the unsubscribe confirmation message so we can
customize that?

Thank you for all the help.

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 20 21:48:53 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:48:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on
	messagesasdiscussion progresses - how to eliminate all but
	the last mailman footer?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU7onaSgixG5vO=6cR62=zZbcmdsiW9qTx432DoFZzaXaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952012042012485308909017edaf@MSAPIRO>

David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
>
>I like the following Mailman options page:
>
>%(web_page_url)soptions/%(list_name)s


If the list is personalized, it may be better to use just

%(user_optionsurl)s

The difference is that user_optionsurl is equivalent to

%(web_page_url)soptions/%(list_name)s/%(user_address)s

This has the advantage of pre-providing the users email address which
avoids the user's having to type it and the issues of the user not
knowing which of her many addresses is actually subscribed to the list.

I don't think there's normally an issue around the address being
sensitive information since if the user replies to or forwards the
message, her address is in the From: header of the reply/forward
anyway.

This might be a concern for an anonymous list, but not otherwise.


>A footer link to this page may work well because it has a clearly visible
>unsubscribe option.
>
>This leads to two questions:
>
>1. Where is the html template for this options page? It is not one of the
>items found at "Edit the public HTML pages and text files". (The only
>related template I see is for the page that is shown *after* logging in to
>the above page.)


There is no template for the options login page. It is built on the fly
by the loginpage() function in the Mailman/Cgi/options.py module.

You can edit the strings in that module if your lists are English
language only, but changing those strings breaks i18n translations of
them.

A more robust way to do this is to create the path
messages/en/LC_MESSAGES/ and create a mailman.po in that directory
with just the "translations" you need, and then use msgfmt to cerate
the corresponding mailman.mo file.


>2. Where is the text for the unsubscribe confirmation message so we can
>customize that?


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9>. The name of the template
is unsub.txt.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dave at fiteyes.com  Fri Apr 20 21:57:08 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:57:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content filtering and HTML emails. Bug?
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU5ZcYUBOgst0Q2XHowKGVfmzO=-hvdWaBisAA_HoY+DtA@mail.gmail.com>

This may be a bug...

Mailman is converting html messages to plain text even when set not to
convert. And it is not an MUA issue. We just verified this using
web-based Gmail on both ends.

Background (from past discussions on this list):

Here is the question:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2007-December/059517.html

> Mailman default setting is to converted all HTML to plain text;
> however, our users would like to send out messages with text format.
> We changed the Content Filtering settings to:
> Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic: Yes
> Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type:
> multipart/mixed, multipart/alternative, text/plain, html
> Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text: No
>
> The list still removes the text format even with these settings. Am I
> missing a setting?


Mark Sapiro's answer:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-April/050753.html

> No. There is nothing you can do in Mailman to do this because it is an
> MUA issue, not a message format issue per se. The same thing should be
> happening if you sent the same message directly to the recipient and
> not through a list.
>
> This is why many people recommend that list mail be plain text only.
> That is a format that all MUAs understand.

We see different (incorrect?) behavior:

To reproduce:

1. Turn content filtering on, but set plain text conversion to NO:

Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text: No

2.  Send html emails through the list using web-based gmail on each end.

Expected result:

Receive HTML when an HTML message is sent.

Actual result:

Plain text messages are received. HTML messages are converted to plain
text by Mailman. I believe the next step shows it is not an MUA issue.

Next step:

1. Turn content filtering OFF. No need to make any other changes.

2.  Send html emails through the list using web-based gmail on each end.

Expected result:

Receive HTML when an HTML message is sent.

Actual result:

It works correctly now. HTML messages are not converted to plain text
by Mailman.

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 20 22:11:45 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:11:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content filtering and HTML emails. Bug?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU5ZcYUBOgst0Q2XHowKGVfmzO=-hvdWaBisAA_HoY+DtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204201311450750329968db@MSAPIRO>

David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
>
>To reproduce:
>
>1. Turn content filtering on, but set plain text conversion to NO:
>
>Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text: No
>
>2.  Send html emails through the list using web-based gmail on each end.


Is text/html in the pass_mime_types content filtering setting?

Is collapse_alternatives set to No?

I suspect that one or both of those is not the case, and setting them
will solve your problem.

I further suspect that collapse_alternatives is the issue. Gmail
creates a multi-part alternative message with a text/plain alternative
containing Gmail's conversion of the HTML and a text/html alternative
containing the HTML.

If collapse_alternatives is Yes, Mailman simply replaces the
multipart/alternative part with the first (i.e.text/plain) alternative.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dave at fiteyes.com  Fri Apr 20 22:26:09 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:26:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content filtering and HTML emails. Bug?
In-Reply-To: <PC195201204201311450750329968db@MSAPIRO>
References: <CAH=dxU5ZcYUBOgst0Q2XHowKGVfmzO=-hvdWaBisAA_HoY+DtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201204201311450750329968db@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU6aMsrOfFOer7ZgNh59f=4pMsXmP2y8m+jcDAQNfT5r6A@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
> >
> >To reproduce:
> >
> >1. Turn content filtering on, but set plain text conversion to NO:
> >
> >Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text: No
> >
> >2.  Send html emails through the list using web-based gmail on each end.
>
>
> Is text/html in the pass_mime_types content filtering setting?
>
> Is collapse_alternatives set to No?
>
> I suspect that one or both of those is not the case, and setting them
> will solve your problem.
>

You are right about the settings. I changed them and we are re-testing.
I'll report back if the problem is not resolved. I suspect it will be
resolved. Thanks.

From dave at fiteyes.com  Fri Apr 20 23:33:47 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:33:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content filtering and HTML emails. Bug?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU6aMsrOfFOer7ZgNh59f=4pMsXmP2y8m+jcDAQNfT5r6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU5ZcYUBOgst0Q2XHowKGVfmzO=-hvdWaBisAA_HoY+DtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201204201311450750329968db@MSAPIRO>
	<CAH=dxU6aMsrOfFOer7ZgNh59f=4pMsXmP2y8m+jcDAQNfT5r6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU42+V5TH03t17oan=i2dP1b-mVBFt4QP1T4i9yc4mLwdQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 4:26 PM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>
>> David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >To reproduce:
>> >
>> >1. Turn content filtering on, but set plain text conversion to NO:
>> >
>> >Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text: No
>> >
>> >2.  Send html emails through the list using web-based gmail on each end.
>>
>>
>> Is text/html in the pass_mime_types content filtering setting?
>>
>> Is collapse_alternatives set to No?
>>
>> I suspect that one or both of those is not the case, and setting them
>> will solve your problem.
>>
>
> You are right about the settings. I changed them and we are re-testing.
> I'll report back if the problem is not resolved. I suspect it will be
> resolved. Thanks.
>
>
It works as expected now except some MUA's display the footers as a plain
text attachment (and others display them as expected). If there is no easy
solution to this, we'll live with it.

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 20 23:58:29 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:58:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content filtering and HTML emails. Bug?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU42+V5TH03t17oan=i2dP1b-mVBFt4QP1T4i9yc4mLwdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204201458290281b3d466f6@MSAPIRO>

David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
>>
>It works as expected now except some MUA's display the footers as a plain
>text attachment (and others display them as expected). If there is no easy
>solution to this, we'll live with it.


The easy solution is to allow only plain text, but that's not going to
work for you. See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9> for a more
complete discussion.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From CNulk at scu.edu  Sat Apr 21 01:03:25 2012
From: CNulk at scu.edu (C Nulk)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:03:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where in the code is the message footer added?
Message-ID: <4F91EB3D.30504@scu.edu>

Hello all,

Some of the users at my site send/post their messages in HTML format. 
As we know Mailman does its best to add the list's message footer.  At
our site (with HTML formatted messages), the footer usually appears as
an attachment (generally called Part.002 or Part.003, etc.).  The
message footer contains the url on how to unsubscribe.  However, our
users cannot seem to find the footer in one of the attachments.  They
think the 'Part.002' is just gibberish and don't look at it. 
Training/educating the users is not an option since we already do that
and our users seem to be determined not to remember or understand.

What I would like to do is give the message footer attachment a name. 
That way instead of seeing 'Part.002', the users will see
'Unsubscribe'.  Maybe that will help, maybe not but it is one more step
to make it a little more visible for the users.  I am guessing I can use
'Content-filename: <name>' to give the attachment and name.  The
question is where in the code do I add the change?

Thanks,
Chris

From dave at fiteyes.com  Sat Apr 21 01:13:33 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:13:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where in the code is the message footer added?
In-Reply-To: <4F91EB3D.30504@scu.edu>
References: <4F91EB3D.30504@scu.edu>
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU7AqTi4oB0aJh85MFLMtoarGv4Pa+b2jpr6Oa7HMWctaA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:03 PM, C Nulk <CNulk at scu.edu> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Some of the users at my site send/post their messages in HTML format.
> As we know Mailman does its best to add the list's message footer.  At
> our site (with HTML formatted messages), the footer usually appears as
> an attachment (generally called Part.002 or Part.003, etc.).
>

We just resolved this pretty well with Mark's help. Here are my notes for
how we fixed it. The full discussion took place in recent days, so if you
are just now joining the list, check this week's archives.

Supporting HTML email with correct footers:

>To reproduce:
>
>1. Turn content filtering on, but set plain text conversion to NO:
>
>Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text: No
>
>2.  Send html emails through the list using web-based gmail on each end.


Is text/html in the pass_mime_types content filtering setting?

Is collapse_alternatives set to No?

I suspect that one or both of those is not the case, and setting them
will solve your problem.

I further suspect that collapse_alternatives is the issue. Gmail
creates a multi-part alternative message with a text/plain alternative
containing Gmail's conversion of the HTML and a text/html alternative
containing the HTML.

If collapse_alternatives is Yes, Mailman simply replaces the
multipart/alternative part with the first (i.e.text/plain) alternative.

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9> for a more
complete discussion.

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Apr 21 03:11:04 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:11:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where in the code is the message footer added?
In-Reply-To: <4F91EB3D.30504@scu.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1952012042018110408128ad4b770@MSAPIRO>

C Nulk wrote:
>
>What I would like to do is give the message footer attachment a name. 
>That way instead of seeing 'Part.002', the users will see
>'Unsubscribe'.  Maybe that will help, maybe not but it is one more step
>to make it a little more visible for the users.  I am guessing I can use
>'Content-filename: <name>' to give the attachment and name.  The
>question is where in the code do I add the change?


There's no such header as Content-Filename:.

If you want to do this by hacking code, look at
Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py.

You will find two places in the code which look like

        if footer:
            mimeftr = MIMEText(footer, 'plain', lcset)
            mimeftr['Content-Disposition'] = 'inline'
            payload.append(mimeftr)

That's the first. The second looks the same but is indented 4 spaces
less. There are also similar "if header:" blocks, but presumably you
aren't interested in those.

Now as to what to do, that's a bit tricky because parts aren't expected
to have names unless they are attachments, not inline, but changing
the Content-Disposition: to 'attachment' will likely break the inline
display in those MUAs that do it right.

So I suggest an experiment.

change

mimeftr['Content-Disposition'] = 'inline'

to

mimeftr['Content-Disposition'] = 'inline; filename="List Unsub.txt"'

but indented as the original in both places.

You could also add another line indented at the same level as the above
line

mimeftr.set_param('name', 'List Unsub.txt')

to set the name= parameter on the Content-Type: header. See
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Content-Disposition> for example
for why you might do both. Note that this article says using a name=
parameter on Content-Type: INSTEAD of a filename= on
Content-Disposition: is discouraged, but you would be doing both which
is different. Besides, by definition you are dealing with a broken MUA
if it doesn't display the 'inline' parts in line, so give it all the
help you can.

Of course, the name "List Unsub.txt" can be whatever you want, but a
.txt extension is a good idea.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Apr 21 05:16:36 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:16:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages as
 discussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last mailman footer?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU7jvvutdNCDq6y+SQct=RXecodh+5-5_x7i_j9i=4zJ0g@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU5aq4ddYav=h3WdqRPv4AAajV+ZZbLsBv1Mpvy7=nOp=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL_0O1-0obMEJ_URW18KujJErXWNp94k3V8+H9jvDuC8JRHsQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH=dxU7jvvutdNCDq6y+SQct=RXecodh+5-5_x7i_j9i=4zJ0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000057273010@mailfront4.g2host.com>

At 11:06 PM 4/19/2012, you wrote:
>On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull 
><stephen at xemacs.org>wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I would think this is a common request, but I can't find any
> > > mention of it anywhere.
> >
> > Does this actually bother your users?  IME lists where this is a
> > problem, it's a much smaller problem than top-posting itself, and the
> > users aren't going to notice because they don't read any of the
> > included content anyway.  I suspect that's why nobody (that I can
> > remember) has ever asked for this before.


Remember that top posting isn't the evil thing that some of you think 
it is, in some communities.  There are legitimate reasons for doing 
it, just like there are for bottom posting -- but you wouldn't know 
that in the Linux world.

Dave



From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Apr 21 05:17:11 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:17:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages as
 discussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last mailman footer?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU5aq4ddYav=h3WdqRPv4AAajV+ZZbLsBv1Mpvy7=nOp=g@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU5aq4ddYav=h3WdqRPv4AAajV+ZZbLsBv1Mpvy7=nOp=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000057946284@mailfront3.g2host.com>

At 03:56 PM 4/19/2012, you wrote:
>I'm not sure what you call the long tail of footers that accumulates on
>messages, but I would like to eliminate all prior footers (from the same
>list). When the new reply goes out, it should include only one footer. BTW,
>we're using full personalization and one link in the footer is like this:
>%(user_optionsurl)s
>
>We could wrap the footer in a tag of some type if that would help. Any
>suggestions? I would think this is a common request, but I can't find any
>mention of it anywhere.

I would love, love, love a feature that would eliminate the trail of 
footers from a replied-to list message.  I run about 200 lists that 
serve the blind community, and we tend to prefer top posting.  It is 
easier to find the new content.  So getting rid of footers in chains 
where people reply, and reply to that ... would be great, if 
possible..  It would also clean up digests some, it would also be 
nice if digests had some kind of navigation between original messages.

Dave



From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Apr 21 06:10:44 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:10:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages
	asdiscussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last
	mailman footer?
In-Reply-To: <auto-000057946284@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204202110440093e1de1d49@MSAPIRO>

David Andrews wrote:

> ... it would also be 
>nice if digests had some kind of navigation between original messages.


Have you tried the MIME format digest?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Apr 21 06:18:12 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:18:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messagesas
	discussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last
	mailmanfooter?
In-Reply-To: <auto-000057273010@mailfront4.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952012042021181207344fe2092a@MSAPIRO>

David Andrews wrote:
>
>Remember that top posting isn't the evil thing that some of you think 
>it is, in some communities.  There are legitimate reasons for doing 
>it, just like there are for bottom posting -- but you wouldn't know 
>that in the Linux world.


I agree, and I would never argue that top-posting is never appropriate,
but I submit that for an email discussion list with archives and
especially with digests where people routinely top-post, that little
if anything would be lost and much would be gained if every post were
stripped of all the quotes.

Part of the problem is MUAs that default to top posting over a quote of
the entire message being replied to, and the users of those MUA's
don't even know it's happening because they never read past the first
signature.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Apr 21 12:46:12 2012
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:46:12 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages as
 discussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last mailman footer?
In-Reply-To: <auto-000057273010@mailfront4.g2host.com>
References: <CAH=dxU5aq4ddYav=h3WdqRPv4AAajV+ZZbLsBv1Mpvy7=nOp=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL_0O1-0obMEJ_URW18KujJErXWNp94k3V8+H9jvDuC8JRHsQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH=dxU7jvvutdNCDq6y+SQct=RXecodh+5-5_x7i_j9i=4zJ0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<auto-000057273010@mailfront4.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <CAL_0O198CY-yxPy8Xw_JuTSom0G14Sd-CyfkhoZ0OVTaqt5ALA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 12:16 PM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:

> Remember that top posting isn't the evil thing that some of you think it is,

Don't jump to conclusions:
http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/Teach/IntroSES/socsys-8.html

The question is, why was there a problem, and it turns out not to have
anything to do with *repeated* footers.  It turns out the the real
problem is that the quoted footers *vary*, in particular containing
private information of other members.

From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Apr 21 14:04:20 2012
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:04:20 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages as
 discussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last mailman footer?
In-Reply-To: <auto-000057946284@mailfront3.g2host.com>
References: <CAH=dxU5aq4ddYav=h3WdqRPv4AAajV+ZZbLsBv1Mpvy7=nOp=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<auto-000057946284@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <CAL_0O1_yXFXJCnS6J62uWf-2uF+D_no9gETu0H15ni=xf6X1hg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 12:17 PM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:

>?I run about 200 lists that serve the blind community, and we tend to prefer top posting.

That makes sense.  T. V. Raman top-posts even on Emacs lists.

>?It is easier to find the new content. ?So getting rid of footers in chains
> where people reply, and reply to that ... would be great, if possible.

I would guess that blind people develop better memories, to reduce the
cost of back references.  If so, maybe it would be better (on balance)
to not include previous messages at all (by default).  Have you tried
that?

>?it would also be nice if digests had some kind of navigation between
> original messages.

A decent MUA allows you to treat a digest as a folder, or as a mail
spool (so that you can read messages from it into your inbox.  If that
would not be good enough, I wonder what you need.  If it would be good
enough, I think you should talk to the maintainers of your users' MUAs
to make the digest-as-folder feature available and accessible.  It's
not hard to implement, and it would g

>
>
> Dave
>
>
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From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Apr 21 14:11:15 2012
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:11:15 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple footers accumulating on messages as
 discussion progresses - how to eliminate all but the last mailman footer?
In-Reply-To: <CAL_0O1_yXFXJCnS6J62uWf-2uF+D_no9gETu0H15ni=xf6X1hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU5aq4ddYav=h3WdqRPv4AAajV+ZZbLsBv1Mpvy7=nOp=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<auto-000057946284@mailfront3.g2host.com>
	<CAL_0O1_yXFXJCnS6J62uWf-2uF+D_no9gETu0H15ni=xf6X1hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL_0O18T1d3AYU4jqhjOadPX6JMXrW11TdARRGVUne8ioo1RVw@mail.gmail.com>

Oops, premature send, stupid touchpad.  Continuing.

> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 12:17 PM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:

>>?it would also be nice if digests had some kind of navigation between
>> original messages.

A decent MUA allows you to treat a digest as a folder, or as a mail
spool (so that you can read messages from it into your inbox). ?[...]
It's not hard to implement, and it would guarantee that users can use
the navigation features they're already used to.

From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 23:14:11 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:14:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stop working...help!
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6icS+5pnUUdmSUtYUCAZ6bbQtLsH_QWe9N=ymfOWVDQ0g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I was using mailman with postfix, then reading nice things about
vpostmaster, i decided set it up to manage my user mail accounts. After
setup, my mailman stopped delivering mails. Its returns with the error
message below:

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>
>     mailman at lists.mydomain.net
>
> Technical details of permanent failure:
> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient
> domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further
> information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server
> returned was: 554 554 5.7.1 <mailman at lists.mydomain.net>: Recipient
> address rejected: No such domain. (state 14).


I have overhauled and reinstall from scratch(a very painful one as i lost
my achieve) even after re-installing i still could not get my mailman to
work again. How can i get this fixed please.

Regards
PS: I tried the proceeds in the url below with no luck:
http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-and-configure-mailman-with-postfix-on-debian-squeeze
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Mailman_with_Postfix_and_Dovecot
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From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Apr 23 02:31:47 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:31:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stop working...help!
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6icS+5pnUUdmSUtYUCAZ6bbQtLsH_QWe9N=ymfOWVDQ0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952012042217314706715d76a40e@MSAPIRO>

Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>
>I was using mailman with postfix, then reading nice things about
>vpostmaster, i decided set it up to manage my user mail accounts. After
>setup, my mailman stopped delivering mails. Its returns with the error
>message below:
>
>Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>>
>>     mailman at lists.mydomain.net
>>
>> Technical details of permanent failure:
>> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient
>> domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further
>> information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server
>> returned was: 554 554 5.7.1 <mailman at lists.mydomain.net>: Recipient
>> address rejected: No such domain. (state 14).


So you replaced your Postfix MTA with some other MTA and you didn't
teach the new MTA how to deliver to Mailman.

Fixing this is a question for vPostMaster. It is not a Mailman issue
per se, and various HowTo documents relating to configuring Mailman
with Postfix are not going to help as long as you are using
vPostMaster as your incoming MTA.

Whatever MTA is listening on port 25 of your Mailman server has to be
configured to deliver list mail to Mailman. I'd be surprised if anyone
on this list is using vPostMaster as an MTA, thus it is unlikely you
can get help here.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com  Mon Apr 23 02:39:01 2012
From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:39:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stop working...help!
In-Reply-To: <PC1952012042217314706715d76a40e@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC1952012042217314706715d76a40e@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <C816A313-6CFB-496A-B80C-736FCAE0EC01@stonejongleux.com>


On Apr 22, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>> 
>> I was using mailman with postfix, then reading nice things about
>> vpostmaster, i decided set it up to manage my user mail accounts. After
>> setup, my mailman stopped delivering mails. Its returns with the error
>> message below:
>>> ...

> 
> So you replaced your Postfix MTA with some other MTA and you didn't
> teach the new MTA how to deliver to Mailman.
> 
> Fixing this is a question for vPostMaster. It is not a Mailman issue
> per se, and various HowTo documents relating to configuring Mailman
> with Postfix are not going to help as long as you are using
> vPostMaster as your incoming MTA.
> 
> Whatever MTA is listening on port 25 of your Mailman server has to be
> configured to deliver list mail to Mailman. I'd be surprised if anyone
> on this list is using vPostMaster as an MTA, thus it is unlikely you
> can get help here.
> 

It looks like vPostMaster is actually a package with management front end for installing/configuring Postfix and other stuff like ClamAV and SpamAssassin. Since he apparently had a working Postfix configuration, I suspect vPostMaster clobbered the configuration with something that knows nothing about Postfix.

--
Larry Stone
lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
http://www.stonejongleux.com/




From mstopka at jmshosting.us  Mon Apr 23 02:52:34 2012
From: mstopka at jmshosting.us (mike)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:52:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with people subscribing
In-Reply-To: <C816A313-6CFB-496A-B80C-736FCAE0EC01@stonejongleux.com>
References: <PC1952012042217314706715d76a40e@MSAPIRO>
	<C816A313-6CFB-496A-B80C-736FCAE0EC01@stonejongleux.com>
Message-ID: <020901cd20eb$5f2b2980$1d817c80$@us>

hi,

I've ben admistering mailman for several years now. But ran into an odd
issue today. I had a customer come to me and they have a mailing list
blah at blah.com

when they have people use blah-subscribe at blah.com the people are getting
access denied errors i've checked all the settings am i over looking
something?


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Apr 23 03:19:16 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:19:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with people subscribing
In-Reply-To: <020901cd20eb$5f2b2980$1d817c80$@us>
Message-ID: <PC195201204221819160656ca6cdc20@MSAPIRO>

"mike" wrote:
>
>I've ben admistering mailman for several years now. But ran into an odd
>issue today. I had a customer come to me and they have a mailing list
>blah at blah.com
>
>when they have people use blah-subscribe at blah.com the people are getting
>access denied errors i've checked all the settings am i over looking
>something?


What is your MTA? How does it deliver to Mailman? Does it use aliases
and if so, do you have all 9 of the blah-*@blah.com aliases as well as
the blah at blah.com one?

What exactly do you mean by an "access denied" error? Do you mean they
mail to blah-subscribe at blah.com, get a confirmation message and then
get an http 401 when attempting to visit the URL in the confirmation
message? If so, is this different than from a subscribe attempt from
the form on the listinfo page.

Does this work for other lists?

Can they visit other list web pages like the listinfo, admin and
admindb pages and if so, is the domain in the URLs they use for those
pages the same as in the confirmation URL?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 05:33:37 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:33:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stop working...help!
In-Reply-To: <PC1952012042217314706715d76a40e@MSAPIRO>
References: <CAD_dc6icS+5pnUUdmSUtYUCAZ6bbQtLsH_QWe9N=ymfOWVDQ0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1952012042217314706715d76a40e@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6gnT2vqkfMXi=h4pJY78KL=yMgVLE-2DwzFnQOL6PfzbQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

>
> Fixing this is a question for vPostMaster. It is not a Mailman issue
> per se, and various HowTo documents relating to configuring Mailman
> with Postfix are not going to help as long as you are using
> vPostMaster as your incoming MTA.
>
>  I guessed as much, however on asking the same question on the
vpostermaster list i got the response below (paraphrased)
<snip>

>  As vPostMaster uses
> Postfix for the mail delivery agent, you can do this integration yourself,
> as a stand-alone process.
>
> You'll have to make sure that the domain that is used for the list e-mail
> is not managed by vPostMaster; without the vPostMaster integration, I
> don't know of a way to get Postfix to deliver both to regular accounts
> and lists in the same domain.
>

I have made sure of this and that is why i use lists.mydomain.net for the
mailing list and mydomain.net for the normal user mails.


> Whatever MTA is listening on port 25 of your Mailman server has to be
> configured to deliver list mail to Mailman. I'd be surprised if anyone
> on this list is using vPostMaster as an MTA, thus it is unlikely you
> can get help here.
>
> Wew... i guess Vpostmaster is probably not a solution i needed then, my
reason for using vposmaster is because i needed a frontend to manage my
normal email users, could you kindly suggest to me an alternative frontend
to vpostmaster hoping that this will not also change the MTA. I have tried
postfixadmin, but any domain/user i create on it does not work besides it
does not have features like spamassasin/clamav frontend management
integrate(a feature with vpostmaster)

> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
> Thanks


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From dennisthetiger at chez-vrolet.net  Mon Apr 23 06:24:18 2012
From: dennisthetiger at chez-vrolet.net (Dennis Carr)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:24:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stop working...help!
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6icS+5pnUUdmSUtYUCAZ6bbQtLsH_QWe9N=ymfOWVDQ0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD_dc6icS+5pnUUdmSUtYUCAZ6bbQtLsH_QWe9N=ymfOWVDQ0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1204222115010.29502@bast.chez-vrolet.net>

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

>>
>> Technical details of permanent failure:
>> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient
>> domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further
>> information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server
>> returned was: 554 554 5.7.1 <mailman at lists.mydomain.net>: Recipient
>> address rejected: No such domain. (state 14).

That's not a mailman issue.

Did some research, and RFC 1893 notes this about this type of error (the 
clue is the 5.7.1 error):

  X.7.1   Delivery not authorized, message refused

           The sender is not authorized to send to the destination.
           This can be the result of per-host or per-recipient
           filtering.  This memo does not discuss the merits of any
           such filtering, but provides a mechanism to report such.
           This is useful only as a permanent error.

In short, it isn't Mailman, it's the MTA.  Focus there.

-Dennis


From donotreply at pearlanddean.com  Mon Apr 23 13:30:57 2012
From: donotreply at pearlanddean.com (Pearl & Dean Newsletter)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:30:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hotmail - Sender appears as (Unknown) and (No
	Subject) line
Message-ID: <4F953D71.50401@pearlanddean.com>

Having a problem with Mailman and Hotmail.

The sender appears as (Unknown) and the subject line simply says (No 
Subject).

All other e-mail providers are fine and show the correct Sender and 
Subject line.

We are sending out a HTML Newsletter to a database of 15,000 people.

Here is the Message Header from the Hotmail recieved e-mail (I've 
removed our email details, IP etc to hide our privacy):

x-store-info:sbevkl2QZR7OXo7WID5ZcaZ0jeT0hTF67wC3GlgJLKuNX2JLoVmz6SozALo6vOlfS+MPHBYgjfNdgHNtL6Oj1VzhHVVE6jS52YXoHY6PIlfBFuk8eyRTUDPdrbApHJX+8v6Mqf+6hTU=
Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; sender-id=none (sender IP is 
46.17.90.138) header.sender=E-MAIL REMOVED; dkim=none; x-hmca=none
X-SID-PRA: E-MAIL REMOVED
X-DKIM-Result: None
X-Message-Status: n:0:n
X-SID-Result: None
X-AUTH-Result: NONE
X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7dXM9MDtsPTA7YT0wO0Q9MTtHRD0xO1NDTD0w
X-Message-Info: 
J97kXdVaP39U+I3F4qoyky3fsu0kb0eo4+2S6uZvFiMMmAPn3sBWpjtm43bSEx8uJBfBauawku0M8ahba85gims9RAWiQ1Se5C0/TaFlGEW9YMu3mTiiNr1NdRT7k/UfHBCkzx4TC2wJ2my7h3/MLA==
Received: from E-MAIL REMOVED ([46.17.90.138]) by 
SNT0-MC2-F29.Snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4900);
      Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:03:35 -0700
X-No-Auth: unauthenticated sender
X-No-Auth: unauthenticated sender
X-No-Auth: unauthenticated sender
X-No-Auth: unauthenticated sender
X-No-Auth: unauthenticated sender
Received: from E-MAIL REMOVED (mail.pearlanddean.com [IPv6:::1])
     by E-MAIL REMOVED (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0BDC22AE;
     Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:04:43 +0100 (BST)
X-No-Relay: not in my network
Received: from P0010101 (83-244-245-26.cust-83.exponential-e.net
     [83.244.245.26])
     by E-MAIL REMOVED (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 67DA8BFE58
     for <E-MAIL REMOVED>;
     Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:04:31 +0100 (BST)
From: <E-MAIL REMOVED>
To: <E-MAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Lockout,
     Salmon Fishing In The Yemen & more! Competition & Picture Quiz!
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:10:39 +0100
Message-ID: <F00845961A5C487C894477B1B2CA384A at pd.int>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
     boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01CD1F18.82B887A0"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11
Thread-Index: Ac0fECC4kM+iNJZaSzuBDMDrAJjp1g==
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931
X-BeenThere: E-MAIL REMOVED
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
Reply-To: E-MAIL REMOVED
List-Id: <E-MAIL REMOVED>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://URL REMOVED>,
<mailto:E-MAIL REMOVED?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <URL REMOVED>
List-Help: <mailto:E-MAIL REMOVED>
List-Subscribe: <URL REMOVED,
<mailto:E-MAIL REMOVED>
Sender: E-MAIL REMOVED
Errors-To: E-MAIL REMOVED
Return-Path: E-MAIL REMOVED
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2012 16:03:37.0161 (UTC) 
FILETIME=[2522A390:01CD1F0F]

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CD1F18.82B887A0
Content-Type: text/plain;
     charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



From stephen at xemacs.org  Mon Apr 23 16:12:53 2012
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:12:53 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hotmail - Sender appears as (Unknown) and (No
 Subject) line
In-Reply-To: <4F953D71.50401@pearlanddean.com>
References: <4F953D71.50401@pearlanddean.com>
Message-ID: <CAL_0O1_4aH04hego4-JeKRBbGv8Z7xRWxOo9Jd_6bNU_xmTqRw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Pearl & Dean Newsletter
<donotreply at pearlanddean.com> wrote:

> Having a problem with Mailman and Hotmail.

The "Mailman and" is redundant....

> All other e-mail providers are fine and show the correct Sender and Subject
> line.

That is pretty strong evidence that Mailman is fine and Hotmail is
broken.  Also, the relevant Subject and From header fields appear to
be correct (without the actual address, I can't be sure -- it seems
very unlikely that the list's address is broken, though).

> Here is the Message Header from the Hotmail recieved e-mail (I've removed
> our email details, IP etc to hide our privacy):

Unfortunately, as I received it from the Mailman mailing list, the
header is broken from the very first line (there are line breaks
resulting in mail header syntax errors, both in that first line and in
several other places).  Most likely this is due to your mail client,
or due to cut and paste, but if this is what Hotmail is seeing, it's a
mess.  But it's not Mailman's mess, or the other mail clients would
also be reporting obvious breakage.  It's happening somewhere after
leaving your host, and it would appear that all later hosts are under
Hotmail control (it's hard to be confident without the redacted
information).

Looking only at the headers that should supply the missing information:

> From: <E-MAIL REMOVED>
> To: <E-MAIL REMOVED>
> Subject: Lockout,
> ? ?Salmon Fishing In The Yemen & more! Competition & Picture Quiz!

Assuming the above are formatted as received by Hotmail, I see no
excuse for not displaying the author and subject fields properly.

> Sender: E-MAIL REMOVED

The Sender field confuses Microsoft Outlook, but the symptom of the
confusion is that horrible "From: xxx on behalf of yyy" header.

Maybe somebody else has heard of this before and can suggest a
workaround, but I really don't see anything that anybody but Hotmail
can do anything about.

From dave at fiteyes.com  Mon Apr 23 19:03:09 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:03:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mollom content filtering service?
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU6yaX7tnfrM-mNDXzSGhhh4Qiwr_C7Q1J+kr-0hcF9BuA@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone using the Mollom service <http://mollom.com/> with Mailman? Or
does anyone know of a similar content filtering/spam service that is easy
to integrate with Mailman and Postfix?

From andrew at hodgsonfamily.org  Mon Apr 23 19:33:00 2012
From: andrew at hodgsonfamily.org (Andrew Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:33:00 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mollom content filtering service?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU6yaX7tnfrM-mNDXzSGhhh4Qiwr_C7Q1J+kr-0hcF9BuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU6yaX7tnfrM-mNDXzSGhhh4Qiwr_C7Q1J+kr-0hcF9BuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB9F4444F3417B4993F70CAA3C974F9504E68CC9@sha-ex10-mbx02.exchange.simply.ms>

David wrote: 

>Is anyone using the Mollom service <http://mollom.com/> with Mailman? Or does anyone know of a similar content filtering/spam service that >is easy to integrate with Mailman and Postfix?

On initial checking it looks like more of a service one would use for blogs or comment forms rather than Mailman, the input for Mailman is email and not via web forms.  I am not even sure whether this would be useful on the subscription form, since you aren't posting any message to it other than the email address and name of the person, and you can verify subscriptions by use of a confirmation message, subscription moderation or either/both.

Thanks.
Andrew.

From dave at fiteyes.com  Mon Apr 23 19:48:45 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:48:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mollom content filtering service?
In-Reply-To: <BB9F4444F3417B4993F70CAA3C974F9504E68CC9@sha-ex10-mbx02.exchange.simply.ms>
References: <CAH=dxU6yaX7tnfrM-mNDXzSGhhh4Qiwr_C7Q1J+kr-0hcF9BuA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BB9F4444F3417B4993F70CAA3C974F9504E68CC9@sha-ex10-mbx02.exchange.simply.ms>
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU7TyZ9XEe1+KB3fFmidSs6TrKAbuufMj0VXF14jeiZ+CQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Andrew Hodgson <andrew at hodgsonfamily.org>wrote:

> David wrote:
>
> >Is anyone using the Mollom service <http://mollom.com/> with Mailman? Or
> does anyone know of a similar content filtering/spam service that >is easy
> to integrate with Mailman and Postfix?
>
> On initial checking it looks like more of a service one would use for
> blogs or comment forms rather than Mailman, the input for Mailman is email
> and not via web forms.  I am not even sure whether this would be useful on
> the subscription form, since you aren't posting any message to it other
> than the email address and name of the person, and you can verify
> subscriptions by use of a confirmation message, subscription moderation or
> either/both.
>
> Thanks.
> Andrew.
>

Yes, Mollem is designed for blogs and web forms. So what do most Mailman
admins use? Maia Mailguard, SpamAssassin, ClamAV? I guess this must be a
common question, but I don't see any mention of it in the Mailman FAQ. Is
it a more proper question for a Postfix list?

From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 22:49:27 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:49:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stop working...help! (Progress?)
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6i5GBEutqzi+CggqZAZHLKGsX+PYz3PaOC7Q0xxEkmwqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Perhaps i should provide my details maybe i could get help here....i really
wish to keek the vpostmaster frontend(because of the ease of
account//domain creation) and still needs my mailman. below is the url to
my /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py and /etc/postfix/main.cf . Kindly help!

http://pastebin.ca/2139462

Regards

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Dennis Carr <dennisthetiger at chez-vrolet.net
> wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Apr 2012, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>
>
>>> Technical details of permanent failure:
>>> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the
>>> recipient
>>> domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further
>>> information about the cause of this error. The error that the other
>>> server
>>> returned was: 554 554 5.7.1 <mailman at lists.mydomain.net>: Recipient
>>> address rejected: No such domain. (state 14).
>>>
>>
> That's not a mailman issue.
>
> Did some research, and RFC 1893 notes this about this type of error (the
> clue is the 5.7.1 error):
>
>  X.7.1   Delivery not authorized, message refused
>
>          The sender is not authorized to send to the destination.
>          This can be the result of per-host or per-recipient
>          filtering.  This memo does not discuss the merits of any
>          such filtering, but provides a mechanism to report such.
>          This is useful only as a permanent error.
>
> In short, it isn't Mailman, it's the MTA.  Focus there.
>
> -Dennis
>
>


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*Seun Ojedeji,*

From dave at fiteyes.com  Tue Apr 24 03:21:34 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:21:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and cpanel - opinions?
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU4aNh_ys7+2RFAPSwqwQQ-nvq9MBdT6xc6P5__hCkzKzA@mail.gmail.com>

We just switched to a new VPS host for our mailing lists. I was expecting a
standard Mailman installation. Instead, we got a cpanel installation. All
the Mailman stuff is moved around. Is it much different administering
Mailman in the cpanel installation? I have never used cpanel. Normally, I
just SSH into a server and do what needs to be done on the command line. I
prefer that.

Should we expect any problems in the future if we want to migrate to a
"normal" Mailman installation without cpanel (e.g., apt-get install mailman
on Ubuntu)? Can anyone who has experience in this area offer some opinions?
Should we stick with this unexpected cpanel version of Mailman or will we
regret it later?

I'm guessing that cpanel uses exim instead of postfix. I'm not sure how to
find out (other than ask the host), but that is unexpected too. I was
expecting postfix.

I appreciate any thoughts.

From dave at fiteyes.com  Tue Apr 24 03:25:05 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:25:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix admins for hire?
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU7KPDqEohS371=0Ue8y0KxNGdQ9rM-NibZgsy8Cn03ohw@mail.gmail.com>

Where would we be most likely to find a really good mailman/postfix Ubuntu
or Debian sysadmin to do some regular part time (or full time) work? I
could try Jobs on StackExchange or Reddit job postings. Are there better
suggestions given our required focus on mailman and postfix? Thanks

From pmoss4 at csc.com  Mon Apr 23 15:43:33 2012
From: pmoss4 at csc.com (Patricia A Moss)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:43:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting archives to a text file
Message-ID: <OF8DB3607A.B3070A7D-ON852579E9.004A6799-852579E9.004B6618@csc.com>

Good morning,

I am using Mailman version 2.1.9; with Namazu, version 2.0.15, as my 
search engine. It is running on a Linux server, running RedHat 4.0

This system has been in place for quite a number of years. I am running 
out of space and don't have the option to upgrade my hardware. I would 
like to move the very old archives off of the server and into a text file, 
or perhaps a pdf, to clear space on my server. 
I can not just delete the older archives. The clients that use the mailman 
lists want to be able to see/read the older archives, for reference 
purposes; hence the need for a text or pdf file.

I have been through the FAQ and searchable archives. I saw a lot of help 
for exporting the member/subscriber lists to a text file, but not much 
about the older archives themselves. 

Can someone tell me if this is possible and if so how. Thanks much.


PATI MOSS
CSC


From dave at fiteyes.com  Tue Apr 24 04:18:02 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:18:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting archives to a text file
In-Reply-To: <OF8DB3607A.B3070A7D-ON852579E9.004A6799-852579E9.004B6618@csc.com>
References: <OF8DB3607A.B3070A7D-ON852579E9.004A6799-852579E9.004B6618@csc.com>
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU7vzjLBeUT7AygKQETiTYgtqa3CMOsABRCpUeFrpzAS=Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Patricia A Moss <pmoss4 at csc.com> wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> I am using Mailman version 2.1.9; with Namazu, version 2.0.15, as my
> search engine. It is running on a Linux server, running RedHat 4.0
>
> This system has been in place for quite a number of years. I am running
> out of space and don't have the option to upgrade my hardware. I would
> like to move the very old archives off of the server and into a text file,
> or perhaps a pdf, to clear space on my server.
> I can not just delete the older archives. The clients that use the mailman
> lists want to be able to see/read the older archives, for reference
> purposes; hence the need for a text or pdf file.
>

Where would you store these PDF or text files so that clients can read
them? If they are accessible on that server wouldn't they take up about as
much room as they do now? (PDF might take up more room.)

I'm not the best person to answer this, but maybe you should look at other
ways to save space on the server (e.g., indexes). Another option might be
compressing your mailbox files. (Maybe you can even enable compression on
an entire partition?)

Again, I'm not an expert on this, but my approach would be to leave the
archives in place since clients require access to them and find a way to
compress the files or delete *other* files that clients don't require
access to. Hope that helps.

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Apr 24 05:31:30 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:31:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting archives to a text file
In-Reply-To: <OF8DB3607A.B3070A7D-ON852579E9.004A6799-852579E9.004B6618@csc.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204232031300281192b66f7@MSAPIRO>

Patricia A Moss wrote:
>
>This system has been in place for quite a number of years. I am running 
>out of space and don't have the option to upgrade my hardware. I would 
>like to move the very old archives off of the server and into a text file, 
>or perhaps a pdf, to clear space on my server.


There already is a plain text mbox format archive at
archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox that contains the entire
list archive.

Let's say this contains 10,000 messages for SOMELIST and you would like
to keep the pipermail archive for only the more recent half. You have
two choices. If you want to preserve the URLs for those messages you
are keeping in the Pipermail archive, simple delete the older
archives/private/SOMELIST/xxx periodic directories. The drawback of
this approach is the deleted entries will still be in the TOC, and
will return even if you edit the TOC and remove them.

If you don't care about preserving URLs, you could instead do

  bin/arch --wipe --start=5000 SOMELIST

to rebuild the Pipermail archive skipping the first 5000 messages.


>I can not just delete the older archives. The clients that use the mailman 
>lists want to be able to see/read the older archives, for reference 
>purposes; hence the need for a text or pdf file.


The file is there. It can be accessed via the private archive URL like

http://www.example.com/mailman/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox

whether the archive is private or public, but this requires
authentication as a list member. You can make it accessible for a
public (or private) archive via a link on the TOC by putting

PUBLIC_MBOX = Yes

in mm_cfg.py.


I don't know how any of this will impact namazu. Of course any search
engine could find older messages in the LISTNAME.mbox file, but you
already know all messages are there. The users could just visit the
file in their browsers and use their browser search capabilities to
find what they're looking for.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Apr 24 08:19:39 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:19:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mollom content filtering service?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU7TyZ9XEe1+KB3fFmidSs6TrKAbuufMj0VXF14jeiZ+CQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204232319390390ede1e76d@MSAPIRO>

David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
>
>Yes, Mollem is designed for blogs and web forms. So what do most Mailman
>admins use? Maia Mailguard, SpamAssassin, ClamAV? I guess this must be a
>common question, but I don't see any mention of it in the Mailman FAQ. Is
>it a more proper question for a Postfix list?


There are handlers for interfacing Mailman with SpamAssassin
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/557991> and with ClamAV
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/558098>, and there may even
be a Mailman package for one or more distros that incorporates one or
both of these, but the recommended approach is to incorporate your
spam and malware filtering in incoming mail processing using milters
or something like MailScanner <http://www.mailscanner.info> or Fuglu
<http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/fuglu/>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From stephen at xemacs.org  Tue Apr 24 09:12:59 2012
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:12:59 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting archives to a text file
In-Reply-To: <PC195201204232031300281192b66f7@MSAPIRO>
References: <OF8DB3607A.B3070A7D-ON852579E9.004A6799-852579E9.004B6618@csc.com>
	<PC195201204232031300281192b66f7@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <CAL_0O18jdy0qtrmpOAh1vycWGXEYmR5W40_Yt-qF=QYiYvW5eQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> Patricia A Moss wrote:
>>
>>I would like to move the very old archives off of the server and
>>into a text file, or perhaps a pdf, to clear space on my server.
>
> There already is a plain text mbox format archive at
> archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox that contains the entire
> list archive.

I forget, have headers been cleaned out?  Patricia might want to nuke
all the "Received" headers from the "very old" mbox file, for example,
which would save considerable space.  This would require splitting the
current mbox file and rebuilding the archives (thus changing message
sequence numbers and URLs).

> I don't know how any of this will impact namazu. Of course any search
> engine could find older messages in the LISTNAME.mbox file, but you
> already know all messages are there.

I think Namazu can probably be configured to look in the mbox file,
and this would be worth doing.  The search instructions should remark
that the mbox file is a last resort (since if you just keep the
original mbox as you suggest, it will hit every time if anything
hits!)

> The users could just visit the
> file in their browsers and use their browser search capabilities to
> find what they're looking for.

Yes, they would have to do that, but they might prefer to investigate
other, more precise, hits first, as well as being informed that "that
key doesn't exist AFAIK" on a failed search.

From mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de  Tue Apr 24 12:09:44 2012
From: mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de (Mailman Admin)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:09:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and cpanel - opinions?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU4aNh_ys7+2RFAPSwqwQQ-nvq9MBdT6xc6P5__hCkzKzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU4aNh_ys7+2RFAPSwqwQQ-nvq9MBdT6xc6P5__hCkzKzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F967BE8.40301@uni-konstanz.de>

Hello David


On 2012-04-24 03:21, David wrote:
> We just switched to a new VPS host for our mailing lists. I was expecting a
> standard Mailman installation. Instead, we got a cpanel installation. All
> the Mailman stuff is moved around. Is it much different administering
> Mailman in the cpanel installation? I have never used cpanel. Normally, I
> just SSH into a server and do what needs to be done on the command line. I
> prefer that.
> 
> Should we expect any problems in the future if we want to migrate to a
> "normal" Mailman installation without cpanel (e.g., apt-get install mailman
> on Ubuntu)? Can anyone who has experience in this area offer some opinions?
> Should we stick with this unexpected cpanel version of Mailman or will we
> regret it later?
> 
> I'm guessing that cpanel uses exim instead of postfix. I'm not sure how to
> find out (other than ask the host), but that is unexpected too. I was
> expecting postfix.
> 

Did you read:
http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+and+CPanel
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030604


Kind regards,
Christian Mack

From stephen at xemacs.org  Mon Apr 23 20:38:05 2012
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 03:38:05 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mollom content filtering service?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU7TyZ9XEe1+KB3fFmidSs6TrKAbuufMj0VXF14jeiZ+CQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:48 AM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:

> Yes, Mollem is designed for blogs and web forms. So what do most Mailman
> admins use? Maia Mailguard, SpamAssassin, ClamAV? I guess this must be a
> common question, but I don't see any mention of it in the Mailman FAQ. Is
> it a more proper question for a Postfix list?

Indeed, the recommended configuration is to do your spam- and
virus-filtering in the MTA (Postfix, in your case).  This has many
advantages, including the ability to avoid accepting spam in the first
place.

See FAQs 4.23 and 6.12:
4.23 "How do I use SpamAssassin with Mailman?"
6.12 "Mailman + postfix + amavisd-new HOWTO (anti-spam)"

If you have some reason to do filtering in Mailman, there is a
3rd-party SpamAssassin module.  However, I don't recall hearing of a
virus filter Handler for Mailman, so you'd need to write your own
SpamAssassin rules or something.  Or run the virus filter from
Postfix, but if you do that, why not run your spam checker there, too?

To read more about the rationale, you'd have to dig into the archives.
 It comes up fairly frequently.

Regards,

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Apr 24 19:20:19 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:20:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting archives to a text file
In-Reply-To: <CAL_0O18jdy0qtrmpOAh1vycWGXEYmR5W40_Yt-qF=QYiYvW5eQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204241020190781618cf620@MSAPIRO>

Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

>On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>>
>> There already is a plain text mbox format archive at
>> archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox that contains the entire
>> list archive.
>
>I forget, have headers been cleaned out?  Patricia might want to nuke
>all the "Received" headers from the "very old" mbox file, for example,
>which would save considerable space.  This would require splitting the
>current mbox file and rebuilding the archives (thus changing message
>sequence numbers and URLs).


No, The LISTNAME.mbox file contains the entire message. Some headers
may have been removed by pipeline handlers such as Cleanse and
CleanseDKIM or manipulated or added by CookHeaders, but except in the
case of anonymous lists with fairly recent Mailman, Received: headers
are still there.

If you want a fairly sanitized mailbox with most non-essential headers
removed, you can always concatenate the periodic .txt (or .txt.gz, but
you can't directly concatenate those) files, or you can just keep
those files and nuke the rest of the pipermail structure for the
unwanted periods.

E.g. a typical archive for a list with the default monthly archive may
have an archives/private/LISTNAME/ directory, and in it for a typical
month a yyyy-Month directory containing the HTMLized messages and
monthly indices, a yyyy-Month.txt and possibly a yyy-Month.txt.gz
files containing messages with minimal headers after scrubbing of
attachments.

There will also be a archives/private/LISTNAME/attachments/ directory
with subdirectories by date of the form yyyymmdd containing scrubbed
attachments.

One could simply remove the unwanted
archives/private/LISTNAME/yyyy-Month directories and maybe or maybe
not the archives/private/LISTNAME/attachments/yyyymmdd/ directories
leaving the text files which are already linked from the TOC page.
This leaves dead links for the removed Months' Pipermail archives, but
that may be OK.

Another potential space saver if your lists have a lot of scrubbed
attachments and the list is digestable and its scrub_nondigest setting
is the default No is that there will generally be two copies of each
scrubbed attachment in the attachments/ directory, one scrubbed as the
message was archived and one scrubbed from the digest. These have
names like name.ext and name-0001.ext. The tricky part is you don't
know which of these names is referenced by the archived message and
which was referenced in the plain format difest. Typically, the
archived message will reference the name.ext file and the digest the
name-0001.ext file, but when a digest is triggered on size, it may
reference a name.ext file and the archived message the name-0001.ext
file.

Note that simply rebuilding the archive with bin/arch --wipe will
eliminate duplicate stored attachments.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Apr 25 01:06:29 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:06:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stop working...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6i5GBEutqzi+CggqZAZHLKGsX+PYz3PaOC7Q0xxEkmwqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520120424160629053127ef67f0@MSAPIRO>

Seun Ojedeji wrote:

>Hi,
>Perhaps i should provide my details maybe i could get help here....i really
>wish to keek the vpostmaster frontend(because of the ease of
>account//domain creation) and still needs my mailman. below is the url to
>my /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py and /etc/postfix/main.cf . Kindly help!
>
>http://pastebin.ca/2139462


If I understand correctly what the situation is, your list mail is
being rejected by the incoming MTA at SMTP time and never being
delivered to Mailman. Thus, your mm_cfg.py is not relevant at this
point.

Also, the output of 'postconf -n' is generally much easier for those
who would help you than is the entire main.cf.

That said, there is nothing much in main.cf that would indicate a
problem except that the vPostMaster stuff beginning at line 48 in the
pastebin is probably the issue, but exactly what the issue is can't be
determined without knowing what's in /etc/postfix/vpm-domains and
probably what's in master.cf for the vpm-pftransport.

Based on your prior post, I would guess that mail to the
"lists.mydomain.net" domain is being routed to vPostMaster and
vPostMaster doesn't know how to deliver to Mailman.

The response you got from a vpostermaster list said:

> You'll have to make sure that the domain that is used for the list e-mail
> is not managed by vPostMaster; without the vPostMaster integration, I
> don't know of a way to get Postfix to deliver both to regular accounts
> and lists in the same domain.


That says that your lists should be in the "lists.mydomain.net" domain
and only list mail should be addressed to that domain, i.e. no local
user addresses in that domain, and that domain should not be managed
by vPostMaster, i.e. it should not be in /etc/postfix/vpm-domains.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From stephen at xemacs.org  Wed Apr 25 05:08:49 2012
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:08:49 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting archives to a text file
In-Reply-To: <PC195201204241020190781618cf620@MSAPIRO>
References: <CAL_0O18jdy0qtrmpOAh1vycWGXEYmR5W40_Yt-qF=QYiYvW5eQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201204241020190781618cf620@MSAPIRO>
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

>>I forget, have headers been cleaned out?
>
> No, The LISTNAME.mbox file contains the entire message. Some
> headers may have been removed by pipeline handlers [...], but [...]
> Received: headers are still there.
>
> If you want a fairly sanitized mailbox with most non-essential headers
> removed, you can always concatenate the periodic .txt (or .txt.gz, but
> you can't directly concatenate those) files, or you can just keep
> those files and nuke the rest of the pipermail structure for the
> unwanted periods.

"Just keep those files" and configure Namazu to index them sounds like
the best idea yet.  Although they'll cut the thread (but ISTR the
pipermail archive does too), that localizes search results (and uses
bandwidth!) better than using the whole mbox.

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Apr 25 06:38:41 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:38:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and cpanel - opinions?
In-Reply-To: <4F967BE8.40301@uni-konstanz.de>
Message-ID: <PC1952012042421384102506939cb63@MSAPIRO>

Mailman Admin wrote:
>
>On 2012-04-24 03:21, David wrote:
>> We just switched to a new VPS host for our mailing lists. I was expecting a
>> standard Mailman installation. Instead, we got a cpanel installation. All
>> the Mailman stuff is moved around. Is it much different administering
>> Mailman in the cpanel installation? I have never used cpanel. Normally, I
>> just SSH into a server and do what needs to be done on the command line. I
>> prefer that.


If I had root access to the VPS (isn't that what it means to have a
VPS?), I might be inclined to try to bypass cPanel altogether and
install Mailman from source. It's not that the cPanel mods are all
that extensive or odious, but I don't happen to care for the fact that
the list name everywhere but in the list posting address (i.e. in
command line tools and the web UI) of the list at example.com list is
list_example.com. In order for cPanel to be happy, you also need to
use cPanel to create lists. Using bin/newlist tends to be a hassle or
not work as you intend.

Further, there are things (sibling lists in particular come to mind,
I'm not immediately aware of others) that just don't work in cPanel
because the listname in the list's posting address is not the same as
the cPanel list name, i.e. list vs. list_example.com in the example in
the previous paragraph, and cPanel's patches don't address this
everywhere.


>> Should we expect any problems in the future if we want to migrate to a
>> "normal" Mailman installation without cpanel (e.g., apt-get install mailman
>> on Ubuntu)? Can anyone who has experience in this area offer some opinions?
>> Should we stick with this unexpected cpanel version of Mailman or will we
>> regret it later?


I think a cPanel list's config.pck file can be migrated to a non cPanel
installation, but I'm not certain that a small amount of manual
fiddling wouldn't be required.


>> I'm guessing that cpanel uses exim instead of postfix. I'm not sure how to
>> find out (other than ask the host), but that is unexpected too. I was
>> expecting postfix.


Yes, they use Exim. This is not all bad. Exim interfaces very well with
Mailman, but the Mailman routers and transports in cPanel Exim are
designed for cPanel's Mailman, i.e. they know to take mail to
list at example.com and pipe it to Mailman's incoming mail command with
list name list_example.com, so if you wanted to use an installed from
source Mailman with Exim under cPanel, you'd have to tweak these. It's
not difficult, just something to be aware of.


>Did you read:
>http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+and+CPanel
>http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030604



There's good information in those.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From pierrekuhn82 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 16:49:12 2012
From: pierrekuhn82 at gmail.com (Pierre KUHN)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:49:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ne pas afficher l'adresse de la liste de la
	newsletter
Message-ID: <CA+4xHZ=URzVUtDoyP5bp-cw8aScMNKBnwBF8aZbC5prrcr4pVg@mail.gmail.com>

Bonjour

Est ce que vous auriez la solution pour masquer l'adresse de la liste ?
L'id?e est d'afficher que l'adresse de l'exp?diteur et l'adresse de
r?ception.

Comment faudrait il faire ?

Pierre

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Apr 25 18:15:32 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:15:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] do not display the address of the list of
 newsletter was: ne pas afficher l'adresse de la liste de la newsletter
In-Reply-To: <CA+4xHZ=URzVUtDoyP5bp-cw8aScMNKBnwBF8aZbC5prrcr4pVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+4xHZ=URzVUtDoyP5bp-cw8aScMNKBnwBF8aZbC5prrcr4pVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F982324.6050201@msapiro.net>

On 4/25/2012 7:49 AM, Pierre KUHN wrote:
> 
> Est ce que vous auriez la solution pour masquer l'adresse de la liste ?
> L'id?e est d'afficher que l'adresse de l'exp?diteur et l'adresse de
> r?ception.
> 
> Comment faudrait il faire ?


This is an English language list and posts should be in English.
However, in the interest of saving time, Google translates the above as:


> Is what you would have the solution to hide the address from the list?
> The idea is to display the address of the sender and address
> reception.
>
> How should he do?


The answer is in the FAQ article at <http://wiki.list.org/x/UYA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 06:19:32 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:19:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stop working...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <PC19520120424160629053127ef67f0@MSAPIRO>
References: <CAD_dc6i5GBEutqzi+CggqZAZHLKGsX+PYz3PaOC7Q0xxEkmwqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC19520120424160629053127ef67f0@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6jstGwPg=+yeO_de5JgcLisBaWeR-8B9yi6UNk=7Xh-Yg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Denis,

Thank you for your mail, kindly find my comment inset

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >Perhaps i should provide my details maybe i could get help here....i
> really
> >wish to keek the vpostmaster frontend(because of the ease of
> >account//domain creation) and still needs my mailman. below is the url to
> >my /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py and /etc/postfix/main.cf . Kindly help!
> >
> >http://pastebin.ca/2139462
>
>
> If I understand correctly what the situation is, your list mail is
> being rejected by the incoming MTA at SMTP time and never being
> delivered to Mailman. Thus, your mm_cfg.py is not relevant at this
> point.
>
> Yes exactly that is the problem and thank you for telling me tht mm_cfy.py
is not the issue


> Also, the output of 'postconf -n' is generally much easier for those
> who would help you than is the entire main.cf.
>
> Here is the output below:
admin at mydomain:~$ postconf -n
alias_database = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
append_dot_mydomain = no
biff = no
broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
config_directory = /etc/postfix
html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html
inet_interfaces = all
mail_name = mydomain MAIL SERVER
mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
mailbox_size_limit = 0
mydestination = lists.mydomain.net, localhost, localhost.localdomain
myhostname = mail.mydomain.net
mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128
readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix
recipient_delimiter = +
relayhost =
smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache
smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu)
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks
permit_sasl_authenticate                                        d
permit_auth_destination check_policy_service unix:private/vpm-pfpolicy
r                                        eject_unauth_destination
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache
smtpd_use_tls = yes
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
virtual_mailbox_domains = pgsql:/etc/postfix/vpm-domains
virtual_transport = vpm-pftransport


> That said, there is nothing much in main.cf that would indicate a
> problem except that the vPostMaster stuff beginning at line 48 in the
> pastebin is probably the issue, but exactly what the issue is can't be
> determined without knowing what's in /etc/postfix/vpm-domains and
> probably what's in master.cf for the vpm-pftransport.
>
> Here is output of /etc/postfix/vpm-domains
user=postfix
password=fd483c8dc339ea19188aa69e8ae668a3
hosts=127.0.0.1
dbname=vpostmaster
table=domains
select_field='X'
where_field=name
additional_conditions = and active = 't'

Here is the master.cf.vpostmaster : http://pastebin.ca/2140584  However i
think its using the default master.cf as it wrote some vpostmaster stuffs
there. Here is the master.cf http://pastebin.ca/2140584

Based on your prior post, I would guess that mail to the
> "lists.mydomain.net" domain is being routed to vPostMaster and
> vPostMaster doesn't know how to deliver to Mailman.
>
> Exactly! how do i get to route to the right domain??


> The response you got from a vpostermaster list said:
>
> > You'll have to make sure that the domain that is used for the list e-mail
> > is not managed by vPostMaster; without the vPostMaster integration, I
> > don't know of a way to get Postfix to deliver both to regular accounts
> > and lists in the same domain.
>
>
> That says that your lists should be in the "lists.mydomain.net" domain
> and only list mail should be addressed to that domain, i.e. no local
> user addresses in that domain, and that domain should not be managed
> by vPostMaster, i.e. it should not be in /etc/postfix/vpm-domains.
>
> Yes the domain is not there at all, but and that is why in the error i get
no such domain message

> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
> Thanks for your help!


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From anotheranne at fables.co.za  Thu Apr 26 09:39:44 2012
From: anotheranne at fables.co.za (Anne Wainwright)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:39:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] what constitutes spam?
Message-ID: <20120426073944.GA24324@fables.co.za>

Hi,

I recently sent an invite to an unknown third party. The invite came
from my mailman list, we gave full particulars of who and where we are.
We specifically advise that they are not at this stage subscribed to
anything and will have to follow the detailed instructions (ie confirm)
if they want to join the list. The third party is in the same trade as
us, and deals with the same specialities, a third party customer had
given me their address in good faith.

This week my ISP contacts me with an upstream request from the national
backbone provider to in effect desist from sending spam.

Looking at the email returned, it was to an @yahoo address,  spamcop
seems to have detected spam on the basis of it being a mailman message,
I am not certain that it was not initiated by the recipient but the
official complaint originated from yahoo it seems (who should surely
know better).

Subject: [196.26.208.190] Yahoo Abuse Report - FW:confirm
3a35c56b531368da533112d96a9cb24c17cf6961

As I said in my reply, this is hardly spam, I did not send it out to
half a million addresses purchased on a cd. This makes a mockery of
genuine spam prevention efforts when one email from a genuine address
can be allowed to cause this. It 

I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill, but what can I do
about this. Is this a common occurence? Are invites from mailman now
considered fair game for spam detection software and humans alike?

bestest
Anne

From Richard at Damon-Family.org  Thu Apr 26 14:39:40 2012
From: Richard at Damon-Family.org (Richard Damon)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] what constitutes spam?
In-Reply-To: <20120426073944.GA24324@fables.co.za>
References: <20120426073944.GA24324@fables.co.za>
Message-ID: <4F99420C.3010906@Damon-Family.org>

On 4/26/12 3:39 AM, Anne Wainwright wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I recently sent an invite to an unknown third party. The invite came
> from my mailman list, we gave full particulars of who and where we are.
> We specifically advise that they are not at this stage subscribed to
> anything and will have to follow the detailed instructions (ie confirm)
> if they want to join the list. The third party is in the same trade as
> us, and deals with the same specialities, a third party customer had
> given me their address in good faith.
>
> This week my ISP contacts me with an upstream request from the national
> backbone provider to in effect desist from sending spam.
>
> Looking at the email returned, it was to an @yahoo address,  spamcop
> seems to have detected spam on the basis of it being a mailman message,
> I am not certain that it was not initiated by the recipient but the
> official complaint originated from yahoo it seems (who should surely
> know better).
>
> Subject: [196.26.208.190] Yahoo Abuse Report - FW:confirm
> 3a35c56b531368da533112d96a9cb24c17cf6961
>
> As I said in my reply, this is hardly spam, I did not send it out to
> half a million addresses purchased on a cd. This makes a mockery of
> genuine spam prevention efforts when one email from a genuine address
> can be allowed to cause this. It 
>
> I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill, but what can I do
> about this. Is this a common occurence? Are invites from mailman now
> considered fair game for spam detection software and humans alike?
>
> bestest
> Anne
>
>From your first sentence "sent an invite to an unknown third party"
sounds to me like a reasonable definition of "spam". Generally invites
are used when the person has done some positive action that makes you
believe they might like the mailing and shows a willingness to have
contact with you, something like registering on your website. Another
person giving you their email address is normally NOT good enough of a
reason for you to send them the invite. Protocol would be for that third
party to contact the prospect directly (if they really did think that
your list might be worthwhile for them) and point them to that list. One
key factor here is that YOU are an "unknown" to the person you sent the
invite to, and one should NEVER follow a link or reply to an email from
an "unknown".

This sort of spam report tends to come because the person receiving the
message has themselves hit the "this is spam" button, and them pressing
it is a reasonable sign that you had over stepped the bounds by sending
them the message. It is also quite possible that Yahoo has received
multiple complaints (the one being quoted being an example), and this is
what has prompted them to contact your ISP with the complaint.

-- 
Richard Damon


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Thu Apr 26 14:22:12 2012
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:22:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] what constitutes spam?
In-Reply-To: <20120426073944.GA24324@fables.co.za>
References: <20120426073944.GA24324@fables.co.za>
Message-ID: <20120426132212.6a981d7a@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:39:44 +0200
Anne Wainwright <anotheranne at fables.co.za> wrote:

Hello Anne,

> As I said in my reply, this is hardly spam, I did not send it out to

You sent out an Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) which, to most
people, constitutes SPAM.  Whether you sent it to one person or one
million is irrelevant.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
The public gets what the public wants
Going Underground - The Jam
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From frank.bell at washburn.edu  Thu Apr 26 18:08:31 2012
From: frank.bell at washburn.edu (Frank Bell)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:08:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  CheckdB sending double msgs
In-Reply-To: <4F79803B.8020909@kalfaoglu.com>
References: <4F79803B.8020909@kalfaoglu.com>
Message-ID: <4F9972FF.7040201@washburn.edu>

Hi,
We are running version 2.1.12 on Redhat.
We have checkdbs running at 8AM each morning as mailman, it is not in 
the cron of root or any other user.
We have alias-mgr set as administrator for a number of lists, and no 
moderator has been set.
checkdbs is sending out double moderator requests for just those lists 
that alias-mgr is the admin for.
Any thoughts as to how to troubelshoot OR an explanation.
NOTE: all our settings and owners and moderators are exactly the same 
from the previous version.

Thank you,
Frank Bell
Application Systems Admin
ISS
785-670-2334


1 Cor 15:10
"By the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain . . .."



From brad at shub-internet.org  Thu Apr 26 18:40:12 2012
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:40:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] what constitutes spam?
In-Reply-To: <20120426073944.GA24324@fables.co.za>
References: <20120426073944.GA24324@fables.co.za>
Message-ID: <9D05EC12-B22A-404C-846B-1FE3A31F9223@shub-internet.org>

On Apr 26, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Anne Wainwright wrote:

> As I said in my reply, this is hardly spam, I did not send it out to
> half a million addresses purchased on a cd. This makes a mockery of
> genuine spam prevention efforts when one email from a genuine address
> can be allowed to cause this. It 
> 
> I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill, but what can I do
> about this. Is this a common occurence? Are invites from mailman now
> considered fair game for spam detection software and humans alike?

Okay, so first off, you did send the message unsolicited.  That is generally considered to be one of the most basic hallmarks of spam -- the recipient got something that they never asked for.

If you had a prior direct business relationship with that recipient, and they had expressed interest in being on your mailing list at some point in time in the past, then you could potentially claim that the message was not spam.  Outside of that scenario, you fail test #1 -- go straight to jail, do not pass "Go", do not collect $200.


That said, there are a lot of clueless Yahoo! customers, many of whom have actively asked to be on mailing lists that are hosted on python.org using Mailman, and yet they still do stupid stuff like clicking on the "THIS IS SPAM" button when the message in question was a regular message from the list that was posted as part of a discussion that they themselves were participating in -- clearly not spam.

If I were actively involved in the day-to-day operations of the python.org mail system, given the amount of complaints like this that we continue to get from Yahoo! on a daily basis, I would be strongly inclined to simply ban all subscriptions from addresses at yahoo.com -- just like many mailing list administrators used to do for aol.com.  Yahoo is just too poorly administered, there are way too many clueless users, and the company doesn't begin to bother to educate their users as to when they should not click the "THIS IS SPAM" button.


However, the fact that Yahoo! is hopelessly clueless does not absolve you of the crime that you freely admit that you are guilty of.

If you wish to persist in your spammy ways, then we can make sure that your address gets unsubscribed from this list, and that your domain gets banned from sending e-mail to python.org.

--
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From dave at fiteyes.com  Thu Apr 26 22:39:42 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:39:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] options to change URL structure?
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU6PyaNp==L4jMhD-PB8U7vpvE-US+8to=96Km1BcoPKOw@mail.gmail.com>

URL architecture is a concern to me because the URL should be a permanent
address and it should not be overly complex or "ugly".

In a standard Mailman implementation, we see URLs similar to this:

http://server.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ourlist/

In a cpanel installation we see URLs similar to this:

http://server.example.com/mailman/options/ourlist_server.example.com/

I'm on a cpanel implementation. We are the only domain on the VPS. It is
not a shared server. Is it possible to achieve a URL structure like this
(with simple list name and no cgi-bin segment)?

http://ourlist.example.com/mailman/options/ourlist/

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Apr 26 23:06:26 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:06:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] options to change URL structure?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU6PyaNp==L4jMhD-PB8U7vpvE-US+8to=96Km1BcoPKOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU6PyaNp==L4jMhD-PB8U7vpvE-US+8to=96Km1BcoPKOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F99B8D2.2020004@msapiro.net>

On 4/26/2012 1:39 PM, David wrote:
> URL architecture is a concern to me because the URL should be a permanent
> address and it should not be overly complex or "ugly".
> 
> In a standard Mailman implementation, we see URLs similar to this:
> 
> http://server.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ourlist/


Actually, in a standad source install of Mailman, you won't have the
cgi-bin/ directory in the path. That's from a 3rd party package or
someone who went out of the way to do that.


> In a cpanel installation we see URLs similar to this:
> 
> http://server.example.com/mailman/options/ourlist_server.example.com/
> 
> I'm on a cpanel implementation. We are the only domain on the VPS. It is
> not a shared server. Is it possible to achieve a URL structure like this
> (with simple list name and no cgi-bin segment)?
> 
> http://ourlist.example.com/mailman/options/ourlist/


Not if you use cPanel's Mailman and cPanel's list creation. It might be
possible if you create lists with bin/newlist. You'd have to experiment.

As far as the cgi-bin/ segment is concerned, you don't need it. You
don't even need the mailman/ segment if it wouldn't create conflicts to
drop it. This is all controlled by the list's web_page_url attribute set
at list creation time from the lists web host and DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN
and Mailman's ScriptAlias or equivalent in the web server.

See FAQs at <http://wiki.list.org/x/mIA9> and <http://wiki.list.org/x/lYA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Apr 26 23:35:29 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:35:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: Mailman stop working...help!
	(Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6jstGwPg=+yeO_de5JgcLisBaWeR-8B9yi6UNk=7Xh-Yg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204261435290541cba2c23a@Notebook-09>

Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>> >Hi,
>> >Perhaps i should provide my details maybe i could get help here....i
>> really
>> >wish to keek the vpostmaster frontend(because of the ease of
>> >account//domain creation) and still needs my mailman. below is the url to
>> >my /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py and /etc/postfix/main.cf . Kindly help!
>> >
>> >http://pastebin.ca/2139462
>>
>>
>> If I understand correctly what the situation is, your list mail is
>> being rejected by the incoming MTA at SMTP time and never being
>> delivered to Mailman. Thus, your mm_cfg.py is not relevant at this
>> point.
>>
>> Yes exactly that is the problem and thank you for telling me tht mm_cfy.py
>is not the issue
>
>
>> Also, the output of 'postconf -n' is generally much easier for those
>> who would help you than is the entire main.cf.
>>
>> Here is the output below:
>admin at mydomain:~$ postconf -n
>alias_database = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>append_dot_mydomain = no
>biff = no
>broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
>config_directory = /etc/postfix
>html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html
>inet_interfaces = all
>mail_name = mydomain MAIL SERVER
>mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
>mailbox_size_limit = 0
>mydestination = lists.mydomain.net, localhost, localhost.localdomain
>myhostname = mail.mydomain.net
>mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128
>readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix
>recipient_delimiter = +
>relayhost =
>smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache
>smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu)
>smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks
>permit_sasl_authenticate                                        d
>permit_auth_destination check_policy_service unix:private/vpm-pfpolicy
>r                                        eject_unauth_destination
>smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
>smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
>smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
>smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache
>smtpd_use_tls = yes
>virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
>virtual_mailbox_domains = pgsql:/etc/postfix/vpm-domains
>virtual_transport = vpm-pftransport
>
>
>> That said, there is nothing much in main.cf that would indicate a
>> problem except that the vPostMaster stuff beginning at line 48 in the
>> pastebin is probably the issue, but exactly what the issue is can't be
>> determined without knowing what's in /etc/postfix/vpm-domains and
>> probably what's in master.cf for the vpm-pftransport.
>>
>> Here is output of /etc/postfix/vpm-domains
>user=postfix
>password=fd483c8dc339ea19188aa69e8ae668a3
>hosts=127.0.0.1
>dbname=vpostmaster
>table=domains
>select_field='X'
>where_field=name
>additional_conditions = and active = 't'


There's probably an entry in the 'domains' table for the lists....
domain which needs to be removed.


>Here is the master.cf.vpostmaster : http://pastebin.ca/2140584  However i
>think its using the default master.cf as it wrote some vpostmaster stuffs
>there. Here is the master.cf http://pastebin.ca/2140584


Those are the same URL. I note however tahe there is a mailman
transport defined using postfix_to_mailman.py. Is this how you were
delivering to Mailman. Is ther (or was there before) an entry in
transport maps (possibly /etc/postfix/transport) mapping the lists...
domain to the mailman transport? Your current postconf -n shows no
entry for transport_maps

If in fact, you want to use postfix_to_mailman.py, adding

transport_maps = hash:/path/to/transport

making sure that transport contains an entry like

lists.mydomain.net   mailman:

and running

postmap /path/to/transport

may solve your porblem.


>Based on your prior post, I would guess that mail to the
>> "lists.mydomain.net" domain is being routed to vPostMaster and
>> vPostMaster doesn't know how to deliver to Mailman.
>>
>> Exactly! how do i get to route to the right domain??


Ask the right question on the vPostMaster list.


>> The response you got from a vpostermaster list said:
>>
>> > You'll have to make sure that the domain that is used for the list e-mail
>> > is not managed by vPostMaster; without the vPostMaster integration, I
>> > don't know of a way to get Postfix to deliver both to regular accounts
>> > and lists in the same domain.
>>
>>
>> That says that your lists should be in the "lists.mydomain.net" domain
>> and only list mail should be addressed to that domain, i.e. no local
>> user addresses in that domain, and that domain should not be managed
>> by vPostMaster, i.e. it should not be in /etc/postfix/vpm-domains.
>>
>> Yes the domain is not there at all, but and that is why in the error i get
>no such domain message


I can't help with any vPostMaster specific configuration.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jerome at jolimont.fr  Wed Apr 25 17:20:41 2012
From: jerome at jolimont.fr (=?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:20:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hide list address (was : ne pas afficher
	l'adresse de la liste de la newsletter)
In-Reply-To: <CA+4xHZ=URzVUtDoyP5bp-cw8aScMNKBnwBF8aZbC5prrcr4pVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+4xHZ=URzVUtDoyP5bp-cw8aScMNKBnwBF8aZbC5prrcr4pVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cf6e203905949101e88cb0ff5243795a@jolimont.fr>

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:49:12 +0200, Pierre KUHN wrote:
> Bonjour
>
> Est ce que vous auriez la solution pour masquer l'adresse de la liste 
> ?
> L'id?e est d'afficher que l'adresse de l'exp?diteur et l'adresse de
> r?ception.
>
> Comment faudrait il faire ?

[fr] ----------------------------------------------------

Bonjour.

Je crois que l'usage de l'anglais est de rigueur sur cette liste.

La question est abord?e dans la FAQ :
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030547

Il n'est pas possible de remplacer la liste par le destinataire dans le 
champ A:

En revanche, il est possible d'autoriser l'envoi de messages avec la 
liste en copie cach?e (Cci) et d'envoyer les messages en mettant la 
liste en Cci.
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-April/027909.html

[en] ----------------------------------------------------

Hi.

To my knowledge, this list is english only.

I think this is dealed with in the FAQ :
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030547

Basically, replacing the list by the recipient in the To: field is not 
possible.

Yet, what you can do is allow Bcc posting and post with the list 
address in Bcc.
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-April/027909.html

-- 
J?r?me

From krblake5 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 14:14:06 2012
From: krblake5 at gmail.com (Ken Blake)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:14:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce identity
Message-ID: <4F97EA8E.7010505@gmail.com>

I am using Mailman as newsletter/announcement/one-way list as described 
in http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030685.  There are 
only about 200 names in my list.  I have explored the various options in 
bounce processing, but still cannot figure out a way to determine (1) if 
any of my list names are bouncing, and (2) if so, which ones are 
bouncing, so that I can correct them.  Any advice?  Thanks, Ken Blake.

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 00:03:35 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:03:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] what constitutes spam?
In-Reply-To: <20120426073944.GA24324@fables.co.za>
Message-ID: <PC195201204261503350902cba2c3a9@Notebook-09>

As an additional FYI in this thread, Mailman sends invitations with a
"Precedence: bulk" header. This can only be changed by modifying code.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 00:19:41 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:19:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce identity
In-Reply-To: <4F97EA8E.7010505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204261519410806cba2c34f@Notebook-09>

Ken Blake wrote:

>I am using Mailman as newsletter/announcement/one-way list as described 
>in http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030685.  There are 
>only about 200 names in my list.  I have explored the various options in 
>bounce processing, but still cannot figure out a way to determine (1) if 
>any of my list names are bouncing, and (2) if so, which ones are 
>bouncing, so that I can correct them.  Any advice?  Thanks, Ken Blake.


First, make sure all the owner notifications on the Bounce processing
page are set to Yes.

If you have access to Mailman's logs on the server, look at the
'bounce' log.

If not, the only way to know is a user is bouncing without waiting for
the user's delivery to be disabled is to visit each user's options
page (say from the web admin Membership list) and see if there's a
bounce warning on the page.

Also, if you do have access to the server, you may be interested in
<http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/get_bounce_info.py>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 00:22:58 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:22:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hide list address (was : ne pas afficher
 l'adresse de la liste de la newsletter)
In-Reply-To: <cf6e203905949101e88cb0ff5243795a@jolimont.fr>
References: <CA+4xHZ=URzVUtDoyP5bp-cw8aScMNKBnwBF8aZbC5prrcr4pVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<cf6e203905949101e88cb0ff5243795a@jolimont.fr>
Message-ID: <4F99CAC2.1000007@msapiro.net>

On 4/25/2012 8:20 AM, J?r?me wrote:
> 
> Basically, replacing the list by the recipient in the To: field is not
> possible.



Not true! See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/UYA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 00:31:54 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:31:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CheckdB sending double msgs
In-Reply-To: <4F9972FF.7040201@washburn.edu>
Message-ID: <PC195201204261531540446cba2c1f4@Notebook-09>

Frank Bell wrote:

>Hi,
>We are running version 2.1.12 on Redhat.
>We have checkdbs running at 8AM each morning as mailman, it is not in 
>the cron of root or any other user.
>We have alias-mgr set as administrator for a number of lists, and no 
>moderator has been set.
>checkdbs is sending out double moderator requests for just those lists 
>that alias-mgr is the admin for.
>Any thoughts as to how to troubelshoot OR an explanation.

First, do the duplicates have the same Message-ID:? If so, the
duplication almost certainly occurs downstraeam from Mailman.

Look in the MTA logs and/or compare the Received: header chain in the
two messages.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dave at fiteyes.com  Fri Apr 27 00:41:15 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:41:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] options to change URL structure?
In-Reply-To: <4F99B8D2.2020004@msapiro.net>
References: <CAH=dxU6PyaNp==L4jMhD-PB8U7vpvE-US+8to=96Km1BcoPKOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F99B8D2.2020004@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU6Kg-w4Me+Pz=B84dF5K3r=D9LCxA2931d==1VqKCRfPw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 4/26/2012 1:39 PM, David wrote:
> >
> > In a standard Mailman implementation, we see URLs similar to this:
> > http://server.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ourlist/
>
>
> Actually, in a standad source install of Mailman, you won't have the
> cgi-bin/ directory in the path. That's from a 3rd party package or
> someone who went out of the way to do that.
>

The mailman package in Ubuntu does it this way by default.


>
> >Is it possible to achieve a URL structure like this
> > (with simple list name and no cgi-bin segment)?
> >
> > http://ourlist.example.com/mailman/options/ourlist/
>
>
> It might be
> possible if you create lists with bin/newlist. You'd have to experiment.
>

OK, this will work...



> don't even need the mailman/ segment if it wouldn't create conflicts to
> drop it.


It will not be a conflict. I'd like to drop it.



> This is all controlled by the list's web_page_url attribute set
> at list creation time from the lists web host and DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN
> and Mailman's ScriptAlias or equivalent in the web server.
>
> See FAQs at <http://wiki.list.org/x/mIA9> and <http://wiki.list.org/x/lYA9
> >.
>

I read the FAQs. I could use a bit more help. Here are my settings now.

# cat Defaults.py | grep _URL_
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'cloud.example.com'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

# cat Defaults.py | grep _EMAIL_
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'cloud.example.com'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)


mm_cfg.py is empty except for the personalization options I set:
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION=1
VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES=1

Based on this, my guess is that I will revise this line as so:

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/'

Is there anything else I need to change?

I'm a little confused by not seeing the expected URL subdomain.example.com.
Our list is list at subdomain.example.com; we don't use
cloud.example.com(there's no MX record for it).

# grep subdomain *
returns no matches in the folder where the config files reside
(/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman)

From dave at fiteyes.com  Fri Apr 27 01:11:45 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:11:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] options to change URL structure?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU6Kg-w4Me+Pz=B84dF5K3r=D9LCxA2931d==1VqKCRfPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU6PyaNp==L4jMhD-PB8U7vpvE-US+8to=96Km1BcoPKOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F99B8D2.2020004@msapiro.net>
	<CAH=dxU6Kg-w4Me+Pz=B84dF5K3r=D9LCxA2931d==1VqKCRfPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU6eS_PgtZzrwkxMthtaPxDsvckScmriOuFVgrbzDrFr7A@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:41 PM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:

>
>
> Based on this, my guess is that I will revise this line as so:
>
> Is there anything else I need to change?
>
> I'm a little confused by not seeing the expected URL subdomain.example.com.
> Our list is list at subdomain.example.com; we don't use cloud.example.com(there's no MX record for it).
>
>
I tried it and it didn't work as expected. I get a 404 error when clicking
on the new list from the mailman/admin page. (The new list is listed on
that admin page.)

Also, I'm used to having to edit /etc/aliases and run postalias
/etc/aliases. It seems that the cpanel/exim installation does things
differently. I haven't found the docs on that yet.

From dave at fiteyes.com  Fri Apr 27 01:17:56 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:17:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] options to change URL structure?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU6eS_PgtZzrwkxMthtaPxDsvckScmriOuFVgrbzDrFr7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU6PyaNp==L4jMhD-PB8U7vpvE-US+8to=96Km1BcoPKOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F99B8D2.2020004@msapiro.net>
	<CAH=dxU6Kg-w4Me+Pz=B84dF5K3r=D9LCxA2931d==1VqKCRfPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH=dxU6eS_PgtZzrwkxMthtaPxDsvckScmriOuFVgrbzDrFr7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU7GgJ_RCw5mQMSezEwEVYJjoZSy=X9J9Xdq+Lgmi+iCFA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 7:11 PM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:41 PM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Based on this, my guess is that I will revise this line as so:
>>
>> Is there anything else I need to change?
>>
>> I'm a little confused by not seeing the expected URL
>> subdomain.example.com. Our list is list at subdomain.example.com; we don't
>> use cloud.example.com (there's no MX record for it).
>>
>>
> I tried it and it didn't work as expected. I get a 404 error when clicking
> on the new list from the mailman/admin page. (The new list is listed on
> that admin page.)
>
>
>
> The problem is the "mailman" segment in the url. I changed this value:
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/'

But the admin pages for my new list are still found at
subdomain.example.com/mailman/admin/listname

The link to the new list that is shown on the /mailman/admin page points to
subdomain.example.com/admin/listname and this gives a 404.

Apparently I need to change another setting. BTW, to avoid having to run
fix_url.py (since I don't know that script well), I just deleted my list
and ran newlist again.

My other lists are still accessible at
subdomain.example.com/mailman/admin/listname. Once I get all the options
changed, I assume I'll have to fix those lists with fix_url.py. I'll cross
that bridge once I get there.

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 01:31:19 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:31:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] options to change URL structure?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU6Kg-w4Me+Pz=B84dF5K3r=D9LCxA2931d==1VqKCRfPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU6PyaNp==L4jMhD-PB8U7vpvE-US+8to=96Km1BcoPKOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F99B8D2.2020004@msapiro.net>
	<CAH=dxU6Kg-w4Me+Pz=B84dF5K3r=D9LCxA2931d==1VqKCRfPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F99DAC7.6080309@msapiro.net>

On 4/26/2012 3:41 PM, David wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> 
>     On 4/26/2012 1:39 PM, David wrote:
>     >
>     > In a standard Mailman implementation, we see URLs similar to this:
>     > http://server.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ourlist/
> 
> 
>     Actually, in a standad source install of Mailman, you won't have the
>     cgi-bin/ directory in the path. That's from a 3rd party package or
>     someone who went out of the way to do that.
> 
> 
> The mailman package in Ubuntu does it this way by default.


As I said, a 3rd party package - "the Debian way".



> # cat Defaults.py | grep _URL_
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'cloud.example.com'
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> 
> # cat Defaults.py | grep _EMAIL_
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'cloud.example.com'
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> 
> 
> mm_cfg.py is empty except for the personalization options I set:
> OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION=1
> VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES=1
> 
> Based on this, my guess is that I will revise this line as so:
> 
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/'
> 
> Is there anything else I need to change?


Yes. You Probably have in the apache config

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/"

You could change that to

ScriptAlias / "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/"

But that would probably preclude anything but Mailman CGIs being
accessed on your server. I'm not sure of this and I'm not an apache expert.

I would probably add several lines of the form

ScriptAlias /xxx "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/xxx"

where xxcx is

admin    confirm  edithtml  listinfo  options  rmlist  subscribe
admindb  create   private  roster


> I'm a little confused by not seeing the expected URL
> subdomain.example.com. Our list is
> list at subdomain.example.com; we don't
> use cloud.example.com (there's no MX record
> for it).


That's a cPanel thing. If you're going to use bin/newlist to create
lists, I would replace 'cloud' by 'subdomain' in DEFAULT_URL_HOST
(assuming that's tyhe web domain too) and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.


> # grep subdomain *
> returns no matches in the folder where the config files reside
> (/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman)


strings /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/*/config.pck |\
 grep subdomain

will probably find a few.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 01:37:27 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:37:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] options to change URL structure?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU6eS_PgtZzrwkxMthtaPxDsvckScmriOuFVgrbzDrFr7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204261637270983e5f4f3f2@Notebook-09>

David wrote:
>>
>I tried it and it didn't work as expected. I get a 404 error when clicking
>on the new list from the mailman/admin page. (The new list is listed on
>that admin page.)


See my prior reply.


>Also, I'm used to having to edit /etc/aliases and run postalias
>/etc/aliases. It seems that the cpanel/exim installation does things
>differently. I haven't found the docs on that yet.


Exim does not use aliases to deliver to Mailman. See
<http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html>, although cPanel's Mailman
router and transport are different because of remapping
list at example.com to the list_example.com list name.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 01:41:44 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:41:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] options to change URL structure?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU7GgJ_RCw5mQMSezEwEVYJjoZSy=X9J9Xdq+Lgmi+iCFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204261641440790e5f4f342@Notebook-09>

David wrote:
>
>But the admin pages for my new list are still found at
>subdomain.example.com/mailman/admin/listname


See
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2012-April/073249.html>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dave at fiteyes.com  Fri Apr 27 04:10:58 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:10:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] options to change URL structure?
In-Reply-To: <4F99DAC7.6080309@msapiro.net>
References: <CAH=dxU6PyaNp==L4jMhD-PB8U7vpvE-US+8to=96Km1BcoPKOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F99B8D2.2020004@msapiro.net>
	<CAH=dxU6Kg-w4Me+Pz=B84dF5K3r=D9LCxA2931d==1VqKCRfPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F99DAC7.6080309@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU4jZ6F2aBvMbqLyMxTq3WT6Sgj1i7=ZKyvcLqr0h8VWWg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

>
> >
> > Is there anything else I need to change?
>
>
> Yes. You Probably have in the apache config
>
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>
> You could change that to
>
> ScriptAlias / "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>

I made the following changes in /usr/local/cpanel/APACHE_CONFIG:

#ScriptAlias /mailman /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/
ScriptAlias / /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/
ScriptAlias /admin /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
ScriptAlias /confirm /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/confirm
ScriptAlias /edithtml /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/edithtml
ScriptAlias /listinfo /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
ScriptAlias /options /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/options
ScriptAlias /rmlist /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/rmlist
ScriptAlias /subscribe /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe
ScriptAlias /admindb /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
ScriptAlias /create /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/create
ScriptAlias /private /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/private
ScriptAlias /roster /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/roster
*REMOVE* ScriptAlias / /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/

I did not know what to do with these lines so I left them alone:

Alias /mailman/archives /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/archives/public/
*REMOVE* Alias /mailman/archives/
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/archives/public/
Alias /pipermail /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/archives/public/
*REMOVE* Alias /pipermail/
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/archives/public/

I restarted apache:
/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl restart

I collected all my changes in
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py as shown below:

from Defaults import *
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION=1
VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES=1
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'subdomain.example.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'subdomain.example.com'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/'

I restarted mailman: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/mailmanctl
restart

...and there was no change in behavior. It's like I didn't make any changes.

so I reviewed the FAQs (including
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030616)

I also did:
$ ./bin/rmlist -a cleanurl
$ ./bin/newlist --urlhost=subdomain.example.com cleanurl

I still get a 404 on subdomain.example.com/admin/cleanurl

As before, the URL subdomain.example.com/mailman/admin/cleanurl still works.

Apparently, I have missed some settings or not restarted a service that
should be restarted. To check, I did :
/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl stop
/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start

It made no difference.

Thanks so much for your help!

From dave at fiteyes.com  Fri Apr 27 04:36:41 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:36:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] options to change URL structure?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU4jZ6F2aBvMbqLyMxTq3WT6Sgj1i7=ZKyvcLqr0h8VWWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU6PyaNp==L4jMhD-PB8U7vpvE-US+8to=96Km1BcoPKOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F99B8D2.2020004@msapiro.net>
	<CAH=dxU6Kg-w4Me+Pz=B84dF5K3r=D9LCxA2931d==1VqKCRfPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F99DAC7.6080309@msapiro.net>
	<CAH=dxU4jZ6F2aBvMbqLyMxTq3WT6Sgj1i7=ZKyvcLqr0h8VWWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU5OZdppOi-Ud4kV7iEm9fSEkFQa_-SznPSphYnUYb0FTg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:10 PM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> >
>> > Is there anything else I need to change?
>>
>
> Apparently, I have missed some settings or not restarted a service that
> should be restarted. To check, I did :
> /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl stop
> /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start
>
> It made no difference.
>
>
Interesting info: your get_bounce_info script, Mark, runs fine on the new
list, but it fails with "list not found" on the prior lists. I plan to fix
the urls on those. But the funny thing is that the webserver is still
serving those old lists fine and the new list gives a 404 at the expected
URL.

I tried one more thing:

http://docs.cpanel.net/twiki/bin/view/11_30/WHMDocs/RestartServices
# /usr/local/cpanel/scripts/restartsrv httpd
Waiting for httpd to restart....finished.
httpd (/bin/sh /etc/init.d/httpd start) running as root with PID 24827
(process table check method)
Apache successfully restarted.

It didn't make a difference. I still get a 404 at the expected URL and
things still work at the old URLs.

From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 06:00:31 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:00:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: Mailman stop working...help!
	(Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <PC195201204261435290541cba2c23a@Notebook-09>
References: <CAD_dc6jstGwPg=+yeO_de5JgcLisBaWeR-8B9yi6UNk=7Xh-Yg@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201204261435290541cba2c23a@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6ggKRfQwSAfu0WGft1KpXxV7a53TzTXzq8nMpFOYD1K3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mark, All

Thanks for all the help and i am sorry for coming back again as i am yet to
get this to work... I have redone the transport, here is my new postconf
-n  (now using mail.mydomain.net this time)

admin at mydomain:~$ sudo postconf -n
alias_database = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
append_dot_mydomain = no
biff = no
broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
config_directory = /etc/postfix
html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html
inet_interfaces = all
mail_name = MAIL SERVER
mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
mailbox_size_limit = 0
mydestination = localhost.mydomain.net, localhost
myhostname = mail.mydomain.net
mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128
myorigin = /etc/mailname
readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix
recipient_delimiter = +
relayhost =
smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache
smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu)
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks
permit_sasl_authenticated       check_policy_service
unix:private/vpm-pfpolicy      reject_unauth_destination
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache
smtpd_use_tls = yes
transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
virtual_mailbox_domains = pgsql:/etc/postfix/vpm-domains
virtual_transport = vpm-pftransport

However, when i created a list, i got the warn message
warning: removing zero-length database file:
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db
my /etc/postfix/transport, has this single entry   :  mail.mydomain.net
mailman:

When i try to send my first mail to the list, i still got a feed back of no
such domain! Its really frustrating, especially when its probably a comment
or word that i am missing. kindly help

Regards
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> >> >Hi,
> >> >Perhaps i should provide my details maybe i could get help here....i
> >> really
> >> >wish to keek the vpostmaster frontend(because of the ease of
> >> >account//domain creation) and still needs my mailman. below is the url
> to
> >> >my /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py and /etc/postfix/main.cf . Kindly help!
> >> >
> >> >http://pastebin.ca/2139462
> >>
> >>
> >> If I understand correctly what the situation is, your list mail is
> >> being rejected by the incoming MTA at SMTP time and never being
> >> delivered to Mailman. Thus, your mm_cfg.py is not relevant at this
> >> point.
> >>
> >> Yes exactly that is the problem and thank you for telling me tht
> mm_cfy.py
> >is not the issue
> >
> >
> >> Also, the output of 'postconf -n' is generally much easier for those
> >> who would help you than is the entire main.cf.
> >>
> >> Here is the output below:
> >admin at mydomain:~$ postconf -n
> >alias_database = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
> >alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
> >append_dot_mydomain = no
> >biff = no
> >broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
> >config_directory = /etc/postfix
> >html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html
> >inet_interfaces = all
> >mail_name = mydomain MAIL SERVER
> >mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
> >mailbox_size_limit = 0
> >mydestination = lists.mydomain.net, localhost, localhost.localdomain
> >myhostname = mail.mydomain.net
> >mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128
> >readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix
> >recipient_delimiter = +
> >relayhost =
> >smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache
> >smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu)
> >smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks
> >permit_sasl_authenticate                                        d
> >permit_auth_destination check_policy_service unix:private/vpm-pfpolicy
> >r                                        eject_unauth_destination
> >smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
> >smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
> >smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
> >smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache
> >smtpd_use_tls = yes
> >virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
> >virtual_mailbox_domains = pgsql:/etc/postfix/vpm-domains
> >virtual_transport = vpm-pftransport
> >
> >
> >> That said, there is nothing much in main.cf that would indicate a
> >> problem except that the vPostMaster stuff beginning at line 48 in the
> >> pastebin is probably the issue, but exactly what the issue is can't be
> >> determined without knowing what's in /etc/postfix/vpm-domains and
> >> probably what's in master.cf for the vpm-pftransport.
> >>
> >> Here is output of /etc/postfix/vpm-domains
> >user=postfix
> >password=fd483c8dc339ea19188aa69e8ae668a3
> >hosts=127.0.0.1
> >dbname=vpostmaster
> >table=domains
> >select_field='X'
> >where_field=name
> >additional_conditions = and active = 't'
>
>
> There's probably an entry in the 'domains' table for the lists....
> domain which needs to be removed.
>
>
> >Here is the master.cf.vpostmaster : http://pastebin.ca/2140584  However i
> >think its using the default master.cf as it wrote some vpostmaster stuffs
> >there. Here is the master.cf http://pastebin.ca/2140584
>
>
> Those are the same URL. I note however tahe there is a mailman
> transport defined using postfix_to_mailman.py. Is this how you were
> delivering to Mailman. Is ther (or was there before) an entry in
> transport maps (possibly /etc/postfix/transport) mapping the lists...
> domain to the mailman transport? Your current postconf -n shows no
> entry for transport_maps
>
> If in fact, you want to use postfix_to_mailman.py, adding
>
> transport_maps = hash:/path/to/transport
>
> making sure that transport contains an entry like
>
> lists.mydomain.net   mailman:
>
> and running
>
> postmap /path/to/transport
>
> may solve your porblem.
>
>
> >Based on your prior post, I would guess that mail to the
> >> "lists.mydomain.net" domain is being routed to vPostMaster and
> >> vPostMaster doesn't know how to deliver to Mailman.
> >>
> >> Exactly! how do i get to route to the right domain??
>
>
> Ask the right question on the vPostMaster list.
>
>
> >> The response you got from a vpostermaster list said:
> >>
> >> > You'll have to make sure that the domain that is used for the list
> e-mail
> >> > is not managed by vPostMaster; without the vPostMaster integration, I
> >> > don't know of a way to get Postfix to deliver both to regular accounts
> >> > and lists in the same domain.
> >>
> >>
> >> That says that your lists should be in the "lists.mydomain.net" domain
> >> and only list mail should be addressed to that domain, i.e. no local
> >> user addresses in that domain, and that domain should not be managed
> >> by vPostMaster, i.e. it should not be in /etc/postfix/vpm-domains.
> >>
> >> Yes the domain is not there at all, but and that is why in the error i
> get
> >no such domain message
>
>
> I can't help with any vPostMaster specific configuration.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>


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From misterbhatt at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 06:10:09 2012
From: misterbhatt at gmail.com (Amit Bhatt)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:40:09 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: Mailman stop
	working...help!(Progress?)
References: <PC195201204261435290541cba2c23a@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <B63DDB3A1A9849A28661FB59663473FC@farhorizonindia.net>

I also face such type of issues with my mailing list very often these days. 
Then what I do is, I ask my mail service provider to refresh everything on 
the server, they do this and it starts working. But is there any permanent 
solution for this?
Can we hope to not have such problems in upcoming version mailman 3.0 in the 
future? When this updated version is finally going to be launched?

Regards,

Amit Bhatt
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net>
To: "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 3:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: Mailman stop 
working...help!(Progress?)


> Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>>> >Hi,
>>> >Perhaps i should provide my details maybe i could get help here....i
>>> really
>>> >wish to keek the vpostmaster frontend(because of the ease of
>>> >account//domain creation) and still needs my mailman. below is the url 
>>> >to
>>> >my /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py and /etc/postfix/main.cf . Kindly help!
>>> >
>>> >http://pastebin.ca/2139462
>>>
>>>
>>> If I understand correctly what the situation is, your list mail is
>>> being rejected by the incoming MTA at SMTP time and never being
>>> delivered to Mailman. Thus, your mm_cfg.py is not relevant at this
>>> point.
>>>
>>> Yes exactly that is the problem and thank you for telling me tht 
>>> mm_cfy.py
>>is not the issue
>>
>>
>>> Also, the output of 'postconf -n' is generally much easier for those
>>> who would help you than is the entire main.cf.
>>>
>>> Here is the output below:
>>admin at mydomain:~$ postconf -n
>>alias_database = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>>alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>>append_dot_mydomain = no
>>biff = no
>>broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
>>config_directory = /etc/postfix
>>html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html
>>inet_interfaces = all
>>mail_name = mydomain MAIL SERVER
>>mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
>>mailbox_size_limit = 0
>>mydestination = lists.mydomain.net, localhost, localhost.localdomain
>>myhostname = mail.mydomain.net
>>mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128
>>readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix
>>recipient_delimiter = +
>>relayhost =
>>smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache
>>smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu)
>>smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks
>>permit_sasl_authenticate                                        d
>>permit_auth_destination check_policy_service unix:private/vpm-pfpolicy
>>r                                        eject_unauth_destination
>>smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
>>smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
>>smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
>>smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache
>>smtpd_use_tls = yes
>>virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
>>virtual_mailbox_domains = pgsql:/etc/postfix/vpm-domains
>>virtual_transport = vpm-pftransport
>>
>>
>>> That said, there is nothing much in main.cf that would indicate a
>>> problem except that the vPostMaster stuff beginning at line 48 in the
>>> pastebin is probably the issue, but exactly what the issue is can't be
>>> determined without knowing what's in /etc/postfix/vpm-domains and
>>> probably what's in master.cf for the vpm-pftransport.
>>>
>>> Here is output of /etc/postfix/vpm-domains
>>user=postfix
>>password=fd483c8dc339ea19188aa69e8ae668a3
>>hosts=127.0.0.1
>>dbname=vpostmaster
>>table=domains
>>select_field='X'
>>where_field=name
>>additional_conditions = and active = 't'
>
>
> There's probably an entry in the 'domains' table for the lists....
> domain which needs to be removed.
>
>
>>Here is the master.cf.vpostmaster : http://pastebin.ca/2140584  However i
>>think its using the default master.cf as it wrote some vpostmaster stuffs
>>there. Here is the master.cf http://pastebin.ca/2140584
>
>
> Those are the same URL. I note however tahe there is a mailman
> transport defined using postfix_to_mailman.py. Is this how you were
> delivering to Mailman. Is ther (or was there before) an entry in
> transport maps (possibly /etc/postfix/transport) mapping the lists...
> domain to the mailman transport? Your current postconf -n shows no
> entry for transport_maps
>
> If in fact, you want to use postfix_to_mailman.py, adding
>
> transport_maps = hash:/path/to/transport
>
> making sure that transport contains an entry like
>
> lists.mydomain.net   mailman:
>
> and running
>
> postmap /path/to/transport
>
> may solve your porblem.
>
>
>>Based on your prior post, I would guess that mail to the
>>> "lists.mydomain.net" domain is being routed to vPostMaster and
>>> vPostMaster doesn't know how to deliver to Mailman.
>>>
>>> Exactly! how do i get to route to the right domain??
>
>
> Ask the right question on the vPostMaster list.
>
>
>>> The response you got from a vpostermaster list said:
>>>
>>> > You'll have to make sure that the domain that is used for the list 
>>> > e-mail
>>> > is not managed by vPostMaster; without the vPostMaster integration, I
>>> > don't know of a way to get Postfix to deliver both to regular accounts
>>> > and lists in the same domain.
>>>
>>>
>>> That says that your lists should be in the "lists.mydomain.net" domain
>>> and only list mail should be addressed to that domain, i.e. no local
>>> user addresses in that domain, and that domain should not be managed
>>> by vPostMaster, i.e. it should not be in /etc/postfix/vpm-domains.
>>>
>>> Yes the domain is not there at all, but and that is why in the error i 
>>> get
>>no such domain message
>
>
> I can't help with any vPostMaster specific configuration.
>
> -- 
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> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
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From dave at fiteyes.com  Fri Apr 27 06:33:02 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:33:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] options to change URL structure?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU5OZdppOi-Ud4kV7iEm9fSEkFQa_-SznPSphYnUYb0FTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU6PyaNp==L4jMhD-PB8U7vpvE-US+8to=96Km1BcoPKOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F99B8D2.2020004@msapiro.net>
	<CAH=dxU6Kg-w4Me+Pz=B84dF5K3r=D9LCxA2931d==1VqKCRfPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F99DAC7.6080309@msapiro.net>
	<CAH=dxU4jZ6F2aBvMbqLyMxTq3WT6Sgj1i7=ZKyvcLqr0h8VWWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH=dxU5OZdppOi-Ud4kV7iEm9fSEkFQa_-SznPSphYnUYb0FTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU4mCAdTfEi7Q3ArWVhVMf=pqojQS7qJ4Eemr2ddrmiVhQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:36 PM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:10 PM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
>
> It didn't make a difference. I still get a 404 at the expected URL and
> things still work at the old URLs.
>

I went through the steps on a non-cpanel installation and I encountered
exactly the same problem.

From dave at fiteyes.com  Fri Apr 27 07:36:59 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:36:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] options to change URL structure?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU4mCAdTfEi7Q3ArWVhVMf=pqojQS7qJ4Eemr2ddrmiVhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU6PyaNp==L4jMhD-PB8U7vpvE-US+8to=96Km1BcoPKOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F99B8D2.2020004@msapiro.net>
	<CAH=dxU6Kg-w4Me+Pz=B84dF5K3r=D9LCxA2931d==1VqKCRfPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F99DAC7.6080309@msapiro.net>
	<CAH=dxU4jZ6F2aBvMbqLyMxTq3WT6Sgj1i7=ZKyvcLqr0h8VWWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH=dxU5OZdppOi-Ud4kV7iEm9fSEkFQa_-SznPSphYnUYb0FTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH=dxU4mCAdTfEi7Q3ArWVhVMf=pqojQS7qJ4Eemr2ddrmiVhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU6xevw4+6xW+D8XzQM0ePs4X-10-8N-xODrzH3521CWyw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:33 AM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:36 PM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:10 PM, David <dave at fiteyes.com> wrote:
>>
>> It didn't make a difference. I still get a 404 at the expected URL and
>> things still work at the old URLs.
>>
>
> I went through the steps on a non-cpanel installation and I encountered
> exactly the same problem.
>

Just so people don't waste time replying, I got this resolved on the
non-cpanel installation. (I just had to get the apache config files right.)
It works perfectly and we have short and sweet URLs now. I have not gotten
it to work on cpanel mailman yet. I'm going to ask our host to help resolve
it. Thanks.

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 15:45:56 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:45:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] options to change URL structure?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU6xevw4+6xW+D8XzQM0ePs4X-10-8N-xODrzH3521CWyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204270645560665bed032d1@Notebook-09>

David wrote:
>
>Just so people don't waste time replying, I got this resolved on the
>non-cpanel installation. (I just had to get the apache config files right.)
>It works perfectly and we have short and sweet URLs now. I have not gotten
>it to work on cpanel mailman yet. I'm going to ask our host to help resolve
>it. Thanks.


If you have a non-cPanel Mailman install working on your VPS now, why
are you even considering doing anything with the cPanel Mailman? I
strongly suggest you just stick with your non-cPanel install and
forget about the cPanel Mailman.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 15:55:23 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:55:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] options to change URL structure?
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU4jZ6F2aBvMbqLyMxTq3WT6Sgj1i7=ZKyvcLqr0h8VWWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520120427065523017286b430c3@Notebook-09>

David wrote:
>
>
>I did not know what to do with these lines so I left them alone:
>
>Alias /mailman/archives /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/archives/public/
>*REMOVE* Alias /mailman/archives/
>/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/archives/public/
>Alias /pipermail /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/archives/public/
>*REMOVE* Alias /pipermail/
>/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/archives/public/


The above lines represent two ways of accessing public archives. With
your non-cPanel Mailman, you probably want

Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/

(or whatever the path is).

>I restarted apache:
>/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl restart
>
>I collected all my changes in
>/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py as shown below:
>
>from Defaults import *
>OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION=1
>VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES=1
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'subdomain.example.com'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'subdomain.example.com'

I don't know how you ordered things, but the above two lines need to
precede the add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) line.

>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/'

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 16:09:42 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:09:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: Mailman stop
	working...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6ggKRfQwSAfu0WGft1KpXxV7a53TzTXzq8nMpFOYD1K3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520120427070942024989492923@Notebook-09>

Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>
>However, when i created a list, i got the warn message
>warning: removing zero-length database file:
>/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db

This is not a problem. You aren't using /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db

You should remove

alias_database = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

from main.cf and make sure you have

MTA = None

and not

MTA = 'Postfix'

in mm_cfg.py

>my /etc/postfix/transport, has this single entry   :  mail.mydomain.net
>mailman:


I thought your list domain was lists.mydomain.net, not
mail.mydomain.net.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 16:21:40 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:21:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: Mailman stop
	working...help!(Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <B63DDB3A1A9849A28661FB59663473FC@farhorizonindia.net>
Message-ID: <PC19520120427072140062186b43295@Notebook-09>

Amit Bhatt wrote:

>I also face such type of issues with my mailing list very often these days.


That isn't the OP's issue. His issue is he made MTA changes that broke
mail delivery to Mailman.


>Then what I do is, I ask my mail service provider to refresh everything on 
>the server, they do this and it starts working. But is there any permanent 
>solution for this?


Get a more reliable hosting service. ;)

I'm sure there is a solution, but finding it requires an interest in
determining the underlying issue rather than just rebooting whenever
anything goes wrong.


>Can we hope to not have such problems in upcoming version mailman 3.0 in the 
>future? When this updated version is finally going to be launched?


Mailman 3 is currently in Beta and progressing towards a final release,
but there is no target date yet.

I don't see that there is evidence that the problems you have are with
Mailman itself, but if your hosting service is willing to work with
us, we are willing to help determine what the problem is.

If for example, one or more of Mailman's qrunners is dying, there is
information in Mailman's 'qrunner' and 'error' logs that would help us
identify the issue.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 16:56:50 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:56:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: Mailman stop
 working...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <PC19520120427070942024989492923@Notebook-09>
References: <CAD_dc6ggKRfQwSAfu0WGft1KpXxV7a53TzTXzq8nMpFOYD1K3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC19520120427070942024989492923@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6i21aa0TAT4TmDRQywWBCtVYpa6Te0rj2f+EanT+Ob2fQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

>
> This is not a problem. You aren't using /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db
>
> You should remove
>
> alias_database = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
> alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>
> from main.cf and make sure you have
>
> MTA = None
>
> and not
>
> MTA = 'Postfix'
>
> in mm_cfg.py
>
> The above now implemented as you suggested...!


> >my /etc/postfix/transport, has this single entry   :  mail.mydomain.net
> >mailman:
>
> I thought your list domain was lists.mydomain.net, not
> mail.mydomain.net.
>
> Yes it was lists.mydomain.net but after un-installing everthing, i
decided to use mail.mydomain.net this time. By the way mails sent via
mydomain.net now gets delivered to mailman, however mails sent by list
members from other mail server like @gmail.com still get the error message:
Recipient address rejected: No such domain. (state 14)

Any more clue to this? below is my current postconf -n

append_dot_mydomain = no
biff = no
broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
config_directory = /etc/postfix
html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html
inet_interfaces = all
mail_name = MAIL SERVER
mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
mailbox_size_limit = 0
mydestination = localhost.mydomain.net, localhost
myhostname = mail.mydomain.net
mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128
myorigin = /etc/mailname
readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix
recipient_delimiter = +
relayhost =
smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache
smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu)
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks
permit_sasl_authenticated       check_policy_service
unix:private/vpm-pfpolicy  reject_unauth_destination
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache
smtpd_use_tls = yes
transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
virtual_mailbox_domains = pgsql:/etc/postfix/vpm-domains
virtual_transport = vpm-pftransport

Thanks for all the support

Regards

> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>


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web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
Mobile: +2348035233535
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From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 18:00:53 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:00:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6i21aa0TAT4TmDRQywWBCtVYpa6Te0rj2f+EanT+Ob2fQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520120427090053057319ec2272@Notebook-09>

Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>>
>> Yes it was lists.mydomain.net but after un-installing everthing, i
>decided to use mail.mydomain.net this time. By the way mails sent via
>mydomain.net now gets delivered to mailman, however mails sent by list
>members from other mail server like @gmail.com still get the error message:
>Recipient address rejected: No such domain. (state 14)
>
>Any more clue to this? below is my current postconf -n


What is in your Postfix log for a message successfully delivered to
Mailman and for one rejected?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 18:36:42 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:36:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <PC19520120427090053057319ec2272@Notebook-09>
References: <CAD_dc6i21aa0TAT4TmDRQywWBCtVYpa6Te0rj2f+EanT+Ob2fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC19520120427090053057319ec2272@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6jUFMHvEKGrcKKSEE8Jo_L3-cCxc7==UyMYC9wGGAR4Vg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> What is in your Postfix log for a message successfully delivered to
> Mailman and for one rejected?
>
> Below is an output fron var/log/mail.info
Apr 27 15:38:27 mydomain postfix/smtpd[11751]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
mail-bk0-f44.google.com[209.
85.214.44]: 554 5.7.1 <mailman at mail.mydomain.net>: Recipient address
rejected: No such domain.; from=<seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> to=<
mailman at mail.mydomain.net> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail-bk0-f44.google.com>
Apr 27 13:06:40 mydomain postfix/pipe[8643]: 999B61960531: to=<
members at mail.mydomain.net>, relay=mailman, delay=0.32,
delays=0.13/0.01/0/0.18, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman
service)


> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*Seun Ojedeji,
Federal University Oye Ekiti
web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
Mobile: +2348035233535
**alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 18:45:56 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:45:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6jUFMHvEKGrcKKSEE8Jo_L3-cCxc7==UyMYC9wGGAR4Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204270945560741c19f631d@Notebook-09>

Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>>
>> Below is an output fron var/log/mail.info
>Apr 27 15:38:27 mydomain postfix/smtpd[11751]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
>mail-bk0-f44.google.com[209.85.214.44]: 554 5.7.1 <mailman at mail.mydomain.net>: Recipient address rejected: No such domain.; from=<seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> to=<mailman at mail.mydomain.net> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail-bk0-f44.google.com>


So the above message from google to mailman at mail.mydomain.net is
rejected


>Apr 27 13:06:40 mydomain postfix/pipe[8643]: 999B61960531: to=<members at mail.mydomain.net>, relay=mailman, delay=0.32, delays=0.13/0.01/0/0.18, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman service)


but the above to members at mail.mydomain.net is accepted and delivered
via the mailman transport.

What happens in you mail from gmail to members at mail.mydomain.net?

What are all the entries returned by

 grep 999B61960531 /var/log/mail.info


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 19:28:21 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:28:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <PC195201204270945560741c19f631d@Notebook-09>
References: <CAD_dc6jUFMHvEKGrcKKSEE8Jo_L3-cCxc7==UyMYC9wGGAR4Vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201204270945560741c19f631d@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6hBaaTN9C400i78sbvJdXyt9NDyxiH_Bv-kauOJo2ykkA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> What happens in you mail from gmail to members at mail.mydomain.net?
>
> What are all the entries returned by
>
>  grep 999B61960531 /var/log/mail.info

Apr 27 13:06:40 mydomain postfix/smtpd[8638]: 999B61960531:
client=localhost.local
domain[127.0.0.1]
Apr 27 13:06:40 mydomain postfix/cleanup[8640]: 999B61960531:
message-id=<7eddabdc
71e41d9dca7913a00e1373fb.squirrel at www.mydomain.net>
Apr 27 13:06:40 mydomain postfix/qmgr[1867]: 999B61960531:
from=<seun.ojedeji at foss
fa.net>, size=5482, nrcpt=3 (queue active)
Apr 27 13:06:40 mydomain postfix/pipe[8643]: 999B61960531:
to=<members at mail.mydomain
.net>, relay=mailman, delay=0.32, delays=0.13/0.01/0/0.18, dsn=2.0.0,
status=sen
t (delivered via mailman service)
Apr 27 13:06:41 mydomain postfix/pipe[8644]: 999B61960531:
to=<seun.ojedeji at mydomain
.net>, relay=vpm-pftransport, delay=1.2, delays=0.13/0.01/0/1.1, dsn=2.0.0,
stat
us=sent (delivered via vpm-pftransport service)
Apr 27 13:06:47 mydomain postfix/smtp[8642]: 999B61960531: to=<
timi at xceedia.co.uk>
, relay=mx00.1and1.co.uk[212.227.15.169]:25, delay=7.1,
delays=0.13/0.01/1/6,
ds
n=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Message 0Lil7x-1RnZeH3P9J-00ccs0 accepted by
mxeu1.kun
denserver.de)
Apr 27 13:06:47 mydomain postfix/qmgr[1867]: 999B61960531: removed


> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*Seun Ojedeji,
Federal University Oye Ekiti
web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
Mobile: +2348035233535
**alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 20:42:58 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:42:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6hBaaTN9C400i78sbvJdXyt9NDyxiH_Bv-kauOJo2ykkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204271142580061ead78c77@Notebook-09>

Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>>
>> Yes it was lists.mydomain.net but after un-installing everthing, i
>decided to use mail.mydomain.net this time. By the way mails sent via
>mydomain.net now gets delivered to mailman, however mails sent by list
>members from other mail server like @gmail.com still get the error message:
>Recipient address rejected: No such domain. (state 14)


I didn't think of this earlier, but you need to add mail.mydomain.net
to mydestination in Postfix main.cf.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 22:31:33 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:31:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <PC195201204271142580061ead78c77@Notebook-09>
References: <CAD_dc6hBaaTN9C400i78sbvJdXyt9NDyxiH_Bv-kauOJo2ykkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201204271142580061ead78c77@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6gq_THkP9FxpfM4o9sPir3GgqDUVFXDdnHULeFN3uTYkQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> I didn't think of this earlier, but you need to add mail.mydomain.net
> to mydestination in Postfix main.cf.
>
> Actually i also added that after posting my last mail, but it still ended
up with same result. :(

> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*Seun Ojedeji,
Federal University Oye Ekiti
web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
Mobile: +2348035233535
**alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*

From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 22:45:54 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:45:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <PC195201204271142580061ead78c77@Notebook-09>
References: <CAD_dc6hBaaTN9C400i78sbvJdXyt9NDyxiH_Bv-kauOJo2ykkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201204271142580061ead78c77@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6j3qtUFz=f08gBeAnfD10obhLXssPAJh7Z18sWcv_MLAQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> I didn't think of this earlier, but you need to add mail.mydomain.net
> to mydestination in Postfix main.cf.
>
> Actually i also added that after posting my last mail, but it still ended
up with same result. :(

> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*Seun Ojedeji,
Federal University Oye Ekiti
web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
Mobile: +2348035233535
**alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Apr 27 22:59:02 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:59:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6gq_THkP9FxpfM4o9sPir3GgqDUVFXDdnHULeFN3uTYkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204271359020190a57178c0@Notebook-09>

Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>
>On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>
>> I didn't think of this earlier, but you need to add mail.mydomain.net
>> to mydestination in Postfix main.cf.
>>
>> Actually i also added that after posting my last mail, but it still ended
>up with same result. :(


According to the postconf -n at
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2012-April/073262.html>
you have set

smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_my_networks

I.e., you have dropped the default reject_unauth_destination.

See
<http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_recipient_restrictions>
where you will find

IMPORTANT: If you change this parameter setting, you must specify at
least one of the following restrictions. Otherwise Postfix will refuse
to receive mail:

    reject, defer, defer_if_permit, reject_unauth_destination

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 00:14:57 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:14:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <PC195201204271359020190a57178c0@Notebook-09>
References: <CAD_dc6gq_THkP9FxpfM4o9sPir3GgqDUVFXDdnHULeFN3uTYkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201204271359020190a57178c0@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6hmcT-0GuMr8vhLpsLJB9O7daru55YU9qsb_XUMRufC+w@mail.gmail.com>

I added that, unfortunately it was the same error message! really strange
that this could be a nut to crack.

Thanks Mark

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> >
> >On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I didn't think of this earlier, but you need to add mail.mydomain.net
> >> to mydestination in Postfix main.cf.
> >>
> >> Actually i also added that after posting my last mail, but it still
> ended
> >up with same result. :(
>
>
> According to the postconf -n at
> <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2012-April/073262.html>
> you have set
>
> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_my_networks
>
> I.e., you have dropped the default reject_unauth_destination.
>
> See
> <http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_recipient_restrictions>
> where you will find
>
> IMPORTANT: If you change this parameter setting, you must specify at
> least one of the following restrictions. Otherwise Postfix will refuse
> to receive mail:
>
>    reject, defer, defer_if_permit, reject_unauth_destination
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*Seun Ojedeji,
Federal University Oye Ekiti
web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
Mobile: +2348035233535
**alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Apr 28 00:21:38 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:21:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6hmcT-0GuMr8vhLpsLJB9O7daru55YU9qsb_XUMRufC+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952012042715213802471dc0611d@Notebook-09>

Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>
>I added that, unfortunately it was the same error message! really strange
>that this could be a nut to crack.


Remove the smtpd_recipient_restrictions setting from main.cf so you
just have the default and reload Postfix.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 00:31:23 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:31:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <PC1952012042715213802471dc0611d@Notebook-09>
References: <CAD_dc6hmcT-0GuMr8vhLpsLJB9O7daru55YU9qsb_XUMRufC+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1952012042715213802471dc0611d@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6i2U_Jb-OJ+-qOZ+on6TsJpJRtTvUU9GUc9hbsJZ6wvHg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

>
> Remove the smtpd_recipient_restrictions setting from main.cf so you
> just have the default and reload Postfix.
>
> Done! however after doing that, mails send don't get delivered and i also
don't get a delivery failure
using mxtoolbox.com, Here is what i got after doing that:

4/27/2012 5:27:29 PM Connection attempt #1 - Timeout occurred due to
inactivity. [16.22 sec]

--
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*Seun Ojedeji,
Federal University Oye Ekiti
web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
Mobile: +2348035233535
**alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Apr 28 00:39:14 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:39:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6i2U_Jb-OJ+-qOZ+on6TsJpJRtTvUU9GUc9hbsJZ6wvHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD_dc6hmcT-0GuMr8vhLpsLJB9O7daru55YU9qsb_XUMRufC+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1952012042715213802471dc0611d@Notebook-09>
	<CAD_dc6i2U_Jb-OJ+-qOZ+on6TsJpJRtTvUU9GUc9hbsJZ6wvHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e62b6637-685b-46d8-a28f-f9fe9fb14961@email.android.com>

Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:

>> Done! however after doing that, mails send don't get delivered and i
>also
>don't get a delivery failure
>using mxtoolbox.com, Here is what i got after doing that:
>
>4/27/2012 5:27:29 PM Connection attempt #1 - Timeout occurred due to
>inactivity. [16.22 sec]


Post your current postconf -n.

Or ask your questions to a postfix or vpostmaster list.



-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 00:52:42 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:52:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <e62b6637-685b-46d8-a28f-f9fe9fb14961@email.android.com>
References: <CAD_dc6hmcT-0GuMr8vhLpsLJB9O7daru55YU9qsb_XUMRufC+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1952012042715213802471dc0611d@Notebook-09>
	<CAD_dc6i2U_Jb-OJ+-qOZ+on6TsJpJRtTvUU9GUc9hbsJZ6wvHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<e62b6637-685b-46d8-a28f-f9fe9fb14961@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6iC04sf6tFKJEQtfRNP0=h+Ld-SPAdLjBX0q+2C1+6BOA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

>
> Post your current postconf -n.
>
> append_dot_mydomain = no
biff = no
broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
config_directory = /etc/postfix
html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html
inet_interfaces = all
mail_name = MAIL SERVER
mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
mailbox_size_limit = 0
mydestination = mail.mydomain.net, localhost.mydomain.net, localhost
myhostname = mail.mydomain.net
mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128
myorigin = /etc/mailname
readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix
recipient_delimiter = +
relayhost =
smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache
smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu)
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache
smtpd_use_tls = yes
transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
virtual_mailbox_domains = pgsql:/etc/postfix/vpm-domains
virtual_transport = vpm-pftransport


> Or ask your questions to a postfix or vpostmaster list.
>
> About to conculde that i probably will need a vpostemaster pro OR just
forget about vpostmaster, and remove it entirely!

Thanks for all the help Mark, even though the stuff did not work out, i
will say i learnt a great deal in the process
Regards

>
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>



-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*Seun Ojedeji,
Federal University Oye Ekiti
web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
Mobile: +2348035233535
**alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*

From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 00:54:44 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:54:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6iC04sf6tFKJEQtfRNP0=h+Ld-SPAdLjBX0q+2C1+6BOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD_dc6hmcT-0GuMr8vhLpsLJB9O7daru55YU9qsb_XUMRufC+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1952012042715213802471dc0611d@Notebook-09>
	<CAD_dc6i2U_Jb-OJ+-qOZ+on6TsJpJRtTvUU9GUc9hbsJZ6wvHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<e62b6637-685b-46d8-a28f-f9fe9fb14961@email.android.com>
	<CAD_dc6iC04sf6tFKJEQtfRNP0=h+Ld-SPAdLjBX0q+2C1+6BOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6gT4ZMWFgyKM_jiC9xsnWZU4csqyHKPSPzptV_7wqW60g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Mark,

Here is what i get now:  Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local
recipient table (state 14).

Any idea?

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Post your current postconf -n.
>>
>> append_dot_mydomain = no
> biff = no
> broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
> config_directory = /etc/postfix
> html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html
> inet_interfaces = all
> mail_name = MAIL SERVER
>
> mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
> mailbox_size_limit = 0
> mydestination = mail.mydomain.net, localhost.mydomain.net, localhost
>
> myhostname = mail.mydomain.net
> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128
> myorigin = /etc/mailname
>
> readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix
> recipient_delimiter = +
> relayhost =
> smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache
> smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu)
> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
> smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
> smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
> smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache
> smtpd_use_tls = yes
> transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
>
> virtual_mailbox_domains = pgsql:/etc/postfix/vpm-domains
> virtual_transport = vpm-pftransport
>
>
>> Or ask your questions to a postfix or vpostmaster list.
>>
>> About to conculde that i probably will need a vpostemaster pro OR just
> forget about vpostmaster, and remove it entirely!
>
> Thanks for all the help Mark, even though the stuff did not work out, i
> will say i learnt a great deal in the process
> Regards
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>
>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *Seun Ojedeji,
> Federal University Oye Ekiti
> web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
> Mobile: +2348035233535
> **alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*
>
>
>
>


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------------------------------------------------------------------------

*Seun Ojedeji,
Federal University Oye Ekiti
web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
Mobile: +2348035233535
**alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*

From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 01:06:36 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:06:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6gT4ZMWFgyKM_jiC9xsnWZU4csqyHKPSPzptV_7wqW60g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD_dc6hmcT-0GuMr8vhLpsLJB9O7daru55YU9qsb_XUMRufC+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1952012042715213802471dc0611d@Notebook-09>
	<CAD_dc6i2U_Jb-OJ+-qOZ+on6TsJpJRtTvUU9GUc9hbsJZ6wvHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<e62b6637-685b-46d8-a28f-f9fe9fb14961@email.android.com>
	<CAD_dc6iC04sf6tFKJEQtfRNP0=h+Ld-SPAdLjBX0q+2C1+6BOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD_dc6gT4ZMWFgyKM_jiC9xsnWZU4csqyHKPSPzptV_7wqW60g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6hT5Opp0e+w4dLdJav+5wb+5TuGnD=VBnaeCTjzRzGncw@mail.gmail.com>

To further add to the info, i now observe that mails sent to
mailman at mail.mydomain.net gets dilivered however mails sent do
members at mail.mydomain.net replies with : Recipient address rejected: User
unknown in local recipient table (state 14).

The members list was created using this proceed:
http://debiantutorials.wordpress.com/2006/10/05/mailman-with-postfix-configuration-2/

I think there is progress now?

Cheers!

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:54 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey Mark,
>
> Here is what i get now:  Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local
> recipient table (state 14).
>
> Any idea?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Post your current postconf -n.
>>>
>>> append_dot_mydomain = no
>> biff = no
>> broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
>> config_directory = /etc/postfix
>> html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html
>> inet_interfaces = all
>> mail_name = MAIL SERVER
>>
>> mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
>> mailbox_size_limit = 0
>> mydestination = mail.mydomain.net, localhost.mydomain.net, localhost
>>
>> myhostname = mail.mydomain.net
>> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128
>> myorigin = /etc/mailname
>>
>> readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix
>> recipient_delimiter = +
>> relayhost =
>> smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache
>> smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu)
>> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
>> smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
>> smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
>> smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache
>> smtpd_use_tls = yes
>> transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
>>
>> virtual_mailbox_domains = pgsql:/etc/postfix/vpm-domains
>> virtual_transport = vpm-pftransport
>>
>>
>>> Or ask your questions to a postfix or vpostmaster list.
>>>
>>> About to conculde that i probably will need a vpostemaster pro OR just
>> forget about vpostmaster, and remove it entirely!
>>
>> Thanks for all the help Mark, even though the stuff did not work out, i
>> will say i learnt a great deal in the process
>> Regards
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>
>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *Seun Ojedeji,
>> Federal University Oye Ekiti
>> web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
>> Mobile: +2348035233535
>> **alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *Seun Ojedeji,
> Federal University Oye Ekiti
> web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
> Mobile: +2348035233535
> **alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*
>
>
>
>


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*Seun Ojedeji,
Federal University Oye Ekiti
web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
Mobile: +2348035233535
**alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*

From dave at fiteyes.com  Sat Apr 28 01:17:22 2012
From: dave at fiteyes.com (David)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:17:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global Font Change
Message-ID: <CAH=dxU4ZdOVHDxnxsng4zAzhszS7vei3nFZWFnToQXORQZXEDg@mail.gmail.com>

I changed WEB_HEADER_COLOR to a dark blue and I need the font to white now.
How would I do that?

This question from 2004 (without an answer) is the only related thing I
have found so far.

Hello LIst
>
> I have read the Readme's and I have done about a thousand internet
> searches and I cannot find the code for changing the Font globally for
> my entire Mailman Web Interface.  Obviously I am able to change some
> global settings in Defaults.py but not global font.  Anybody know how
> to do this?  I have tried many different combos of FONT_FACE =
> ['arial'] and WEB_FONT = ['arial'] in both Defaults.py as well as
> mm_cfg.py with no luck.  Same question for the Font color.
>
> Thanks very much for the ongoing support.  I really appreciate it.
>
> -Evan Miller
>
>
Also, what does this mean?

# Note that in general, the template colors are not included here since it
> is
> # easy enough to override the default template colors via site-wide,
> # vdomain-wide, or list-wide specializations.
>

My goal is to change background and font colors list-wide (and/or
site-wide).

From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 01:23:55 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:23:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopworking...help! (Progress?)
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Hello Mark,

Everything seem to be working now! thanks!  However i will like to know the
implication of what i have done so far:

1   Will there be any security treat that i may experience for removing all
smtpd_recipient_restrictions  ?
2  For mailman to be delivered to memebers at mail.fossfa.net, i had for
create a user member on the local server, now i will be having over 20
lists on this server, is this the same procedure i will be taking for all
the new lists? if yes is there any security/server resource implication to
doing it this way?

Thanks once again for all the help...looking forward to your response.

Regards

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>wrote:

> To further add to the info, i now observe that mails sent to
> mailman at mail.mydomain.net gets dilivered however mails sent do
> members at mail.mydomain.net replies with : Recipient address rejected: User
> unknown in local recipient table (state 14).
>
> The members list was created using this proceed:
> http://debiantutorials.wordpress.com/2006/10/05/mailman-with-postfix-configuration-2/
>
> I think there is progress now?
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:54 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hey Mark,
>>
>> Here is what i get now:  Recipient address rejected: User unknown in
>> local recipient table (state 14).
>>
>> Any idea?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Post your current postconf -n.
>>>>
>>>> append_dot_mydomain = no
>>> biff = no
>>> broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
>>> config_directory = /etc/postfix
>>> html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html
>>> inet_interfaces = all
>>> mail_name = MAIL SERVER
>>>
>>> mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
>>> mailbox_size_limit = 0
>>> mydestination = mail.mydomain.net, localhost.mydomain.net, localhost
>>>
>>> myhostname = mail.mydomain.net
>>> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128
>>> myorigin = /etc/mailname
>>>
>>> readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix
>>> recipient_delimiter = +
>>> relayhost =
>>> smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache
>>> smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu)
>>> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
>>> smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
>>> smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
>>> smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache
>>> smtpd_use_tls = yes
>>> transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
>>>
>>> virtual_mailbox_domains = pgsql:/etc/postfix/vpm-domains
>>> virtual_transport = vpm-pftransport
>>>
>>>
>>>> Or ask your questions to a postfix or vpostmaster list.
>>>>
>>>> About to conculde that i probably will need a vpostemaster pro OR just
>>> forget about vpostmaster, and remove it entirely!
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the help Mark, even though the stuff did not work out, i
>>> will say i learnt a great deal in the process
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>
>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *Seun Ojedeji,
>>> Federal University Oye Ekiti
>>> web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
>>> Mobile: +2348035233535
>>> **alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *Seun Ojedeji,
>> Federal University Oye Ekiti
>> web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
>> Mobile: +2348035233535
>> **alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *Seun Ojedeji,
> Federal University Oye Ekiti
> web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
> Mobile: +2348035233535
> **alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng** <http://idlelo.net/node/18>*
>
>
>
>


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*Seun Ojedeji,
Federal University Oye Ekiti
web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
Mobile: +2348035233535
**alt email: <goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng*

From hank at k4hm.net  Fri Apr 27 23:35:35 2012
From: hank at k4hm.net (Hank Montgomery)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:35:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman subscriptions broke after 2 days
Message-ID: <4F9B1127.8000603@k4hm.net>

I installed mailman version 2.1.14-1 from cPanel on a Lunar Pages host. 
It worked fine during testing of subscription process (approval 
required). 2 days later a user sent me an email because there had been 
no reply to his subscription request. I found no request in queue and no 
email had been sent to administrators or moderators.

Suspecting user error, I tested for myself using a new email address and 
found that no approval requests were being sent to the 2 admins or the 3 
moderators -- but there was a pending subscription request in the queue.

I have tried every option I can find that is remotely related but 
nothing seems to get the notices out to the administrators or 
moderators. I even deleted their subscriptions and subscribed them 
again. I searched the archives and the FAQ but found nothing related.

Can anyone tell me what to try?

If I can find an answer I would like to try resetting all options to the 
original defaults -- but I can't find a way to do that either.

Otherwise I guess I will have to delete the mail list entirely and start 
over -- which would mean making a list of all the current users and 
entering them back by hand :-(

Thanks,

Hank Montgomery


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Apr 28 17:47:45 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:47:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman subscriptions broke after 2 days
In-Reply-To: <4F9B1127.8000603@k4hm.net>
Message-ID: <PC1952012042808474503667368899b@Notebook-09>

Hank Montgomery wrote:
>
>Suspecting user error, I tested for myself using a new email address and 
>found that no approval requests were being sent to the 2 admins or the 3 
>moderators -- but there was a pending subscription request in the queue.


The fact that there was no pending request from the original user
indicates some additional issue (user error?) with that request.

Is General Options -> admin_immed_notify set to Yes? This is what
controls the sending of the immediate notice.

In any case, you should get a daily summary "nn moderator requests"
email. These are sent daily at 8:00 a.m. local time unless the
installation has modified that.

What happens if you send an email to LISTNAME-owner at ... If that is
received, it will verify that Mailman can send to the list
owners/moderators and narrow the problem somewhat.

The remaining possibility after checking all the above is most likely
that VirginRunner is not running. This is something that needs to be
investigated/corrected by the host, although if you can do a 'ps' on
the server, you could tell if it's running (see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9>).


>I have tried every option I can find that is remotely related but 
>nothing seems to get the notices out to the administrators or 
>moderators. I even deleted their subscriptions and subscribed them 
>again. I searched the archives and the FAQ but found nothing related.


The owner/moderator subscriptions have nothin to do with this. The
notice should be sent to all the addresses in the owner and moderator
list settings without regard to whether they are even list members.


>Can anyone tell me what to try?


Contact your hosting service?


>If I can find an answer I would like to try resetting all options to the 
>original defaults -- but I can't find a way to do that either.


If you have access to command line tools, you could create a new list
and output its settings with bin/config_list -o and compare those to
this list's to see what to change.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Apr 28 21:43:05 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:43:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman subscriptions broke after 2 days
In-Reply-To: <4F9C3BE5.8010601@k4hm.net>
Message-ID: <PC195201204281243050269768a1d12@Notebook-09>

Hank Montgomery wrote:
>
>On 4/28/2012 11:47 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> In any case, you should get a daily summary "nn moderator requests"
>> email. These are sent daily at 8:00 a.m. local time unless the
>> installation has modified that.
>I did not get any daily summary - but I do not think there were any 
>outstanding requests overnight.
>Would this request include requests that have already been acted upon?


No. It is only a summary of what you would see in you went to the
admindb page at that time.


>> What happens if you send an email to LISTNAME-owner at ... If that is
>> received, it will verify that Mailman can send to the list
>> owners/moderators and narrow the problem somewhat.
>I just tried that and it has been 20 minutes and I have not had a response.
>Although in testing this morning there were notices to that address from 
>mailman-bounces at ..... AFTER a subscription was accepted or a subscriber 
>was deleted.


So you are getting the notices controlled by admin_notify_mchanges.
This confirms that Mailman can send to owners/moderators and
VirginRunner is running.

If mail to LISTNAME-owner at ... is not working, there is some other
reason for that, although this mail uses essentially the same
processes as list posts so it is hard to guess what may be wrong.


>> The remaining possibility after checking all the above is most likely
>> that VirginRunner is not running. This is something that needs to be
>> investigated/corrected by the host, although if you can do a 'ps' on
>> the server, you could tell if it's running (see the FAQ at
>> <http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9>).


As I note above, VirginRunner IS running if you got the subscribe and
unsubscribe notifications.


>I will contact my hosting provider - Lunar Pages.  Using cPanel I was 
>initially able to delete an old email list that had worked well but was 
>no longer being used - however I was not able create the new mail list 
>using cPanel.   Searching the internet found a couple of reports of the 
>same problem happening after a mail server was moved (my whole hosting 
>server moved not long ago) so I reported the problem and it was fixed.  
>I hope that your suggestion of "VirginRunner" may be the problem.   I do 
>not have access to a shell account on the host server.   I will contact 
>their support techs again.


The hosting service is going to have to figure this out. Further
diagnosis needs access to Mailman's logs and/or the MTA logs.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Sat Apr 28 22:24:37 2012
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:24:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dumb Me Tried to Update Mandriva (Again)
Message-ID: <4F9C5205.6020207@bellsouth.net>

As usual my attempt to update Mandriva has destroyed Mailman. This time
the update failed and rather than move forward, I reverted back to the
working version (2010.2). However, I must have missed something because
I am getting the following error when I try to access Mailman web:

Apr 28 16:07:42 2012 admin(17726):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ pr 28 16:07:42 2012
admin(17726): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(17726): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.13 -----]
admin(17726): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(17726): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 97, in run_main
admin(17726):     pkg = __import__('Mailman.Cgi', globals(), locals(),
[scriptname])
admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 35,
in <module>
admin(17726):     from Mailman import MailList
admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 64, in
<module>
admin(17726):     from Mailman import Gui
admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/__init__.py", line
25, in <module>
admin(17726):     from Privacy import Privacy
admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py", line 28,
in <module>
admin(17726):     from Mailman import GPGUtils
admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/GPGUtils.py", line 32, in
<module>
admin(17726):     import GnuPGInterface
admin(17726): ImportError: No module named GnuPGInterface
admin(17726): sys.version     =   2.7.2 (default, Dec 19 2011, 09:56:13)
[GCC 4.6.1 20110627 (Mandriva)]
admin(17726): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python
admin(17726): sys.prefix      =   /usr
admin(17726): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr
admin(17726): sys.path        =   /usr
admin(17726): sys.platform    =   linux2
admin(17726): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(17726):   SSL_VERSION_INTERFACE: mod_ssl/2.2.22
admin(17726):   SSL_CIPHER_EXPORT: false
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_S_DN_Email: xxxxxxx at xxxxxxxx.net
admin(17726):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.2.22 (Mandriva
Linux/PREFORK-0.1mdv2010.2)
admin(17726):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_A_KEY: rsaEncryption
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_S_DN_ST: Georgia
admin(17726):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <address>Apache/2.2.22 (Mandriva
Linux/PREFORK-0.1mdv2010.2) Server at xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.com Port 443</address>
admin(17726):
admin(17726):   REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(17726):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_S_DN:
/C=US/ST=xxxxxxxx/L=xxxxxxxxx/O=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/CN=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.com/emailAddress=xxxxxxx at xxxxxxxx.net
admin(17726):   SSL_CIPHER: DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_V_START: Mar 18 13:32:36 2011 GMT
admin(17726):   SSL_SESSION_ID:
66E6AC1408845A20EC6F56C140D2BED471A632BD7C03FC89503B0B611F1B2A18
admin(17726):   SSL_CLIENT_VERIFY: NONE
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_I_DN_ST: xxxxxxxxxxx
admin(17726):   HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
admin(17726):   SERVER_NAME: xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.com
admin(17726):   REMOTE_ADDR: 74.176.153.13
admin(17726):   SSL_CIPHER_ALGKEYSIZE: 256
admin(17726):   SSL_SECURE_RENEG: true
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_I_DN:
/C=US/ST=xxxxxxxx/L=xxxxxxxxx/O=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/CN=localhost/emailAddress=xxxxxxx at xxxxxxxx.net
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_I_DN_C: US
admin(17726):   SSL_COMPRESS_METHOD: NULL
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_I_DN_L: Loganville
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_I_DN_O: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_M_SERIAL: 01
admin(17726):   SERVER_ADDR: 192.168.0.3
admin(17726):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html
admin(17726):   SERVER_PORT: 443
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_I_DN_Email: xxxxxxx at xxxxxxxx.net
admin(17726):   SSL_VERSION_LIBRARY: OpenSSL/1.0.0a
admin(17726):   PYTHONPATH: /usr/lib/mailman
admin(17726):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admin.cgi
admin(17726):   SERVER_ADMIN: mailman-owner at xxxxxxxxxxx.net
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_S_DN_O: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_A_SIG: sha1WithRSAEncryption
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_S_DN_L: Loganville
admin(17726):   SCRIPT_URI: https://xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.com/mailman/admin
admin(17726):   SCRIPT_URL: /mailman/admin
admin(17726):   HTTPS: on
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_M_VERSION: 1
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_S_DN_C: US
admin(17726):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(17726):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin
admin(17726):   HTTP_ACCEPT:
text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
admin(17726):   PERL5LIB: /usr/share/awstats/lib:/usr/share/awstats/plugins
admin(17726):   SSL_CIPHER_USEKEYSIZE: 256
admin(17726):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/12.0
admin(17726):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_I_DN_CN: localhost
admin(17726):   REMOTE_PORT: 4811
admin(17726):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us,en;q=0.5
admin(17726):   HTTP_DNT: 1
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_V_END: Mar 17 13:32:36 2012 GMT
admin(17726):   SSL_PROTOCOL: SSLv3
admin(17726):   HTTP_HOST: xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.com
admin(17726):   SSL_SERVER_S_DN_CN: xxxxx.xxxxxxxx.com
admin(17726):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
admin(17726):   UNIQUE_ID: T5xOCn8AAAEAAE-BQyUAAAAN

I don't have a clue what needs to be restored as I didn't even know this
was using GPG.

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From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Apr 28 22:49:54 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:49:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: Mailman stopworking...help!
	(Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6hg0qXoepKLy2GW7iapka8caxUKWK4yeiugTOM1+A8PbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520120428134954070218f35ef4@Notebook-09>

Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>
>Everything seem to be working now! thanks!  However i will like to know the
>implication of what i have done so far:
>
>1   Will there be any security treat that i may experience for removing all
>smtpd_recipient_restrictions  ?


You didn't remove smtpd_recipient_restrictions. You just removed it
from main.cf which resulted in Postfix using the default setting which
is

smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,
    reject_unauth_destination


>2  For mailman to be delivered to memebers at mail.fossfa.net, i had for
>create a user member on the local server, now i will be having over 20
>lists on this server, is this the same procedure i will be taking for all
>the new lists? if yes is there any security/server resource implication to
>doing it this way?


You can to this automatically without creating users as follows:

Add the following to mm_cfg.py

MTA = 'Postfix'

run Mailman's bin/genaliases to update Mailman's data/aliases(.db).
Mailman will continue to maintain this automatically as lists are
created/deleted.

add alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

to Postfix main.cf and reload postfix.

You actually won't be using these aliases to deliver to Mailman because
you will still be delivering via the mailman transport, but this will
define all the list addresses to Postfix as valid local users.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Apr 28 22:57:26 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:57:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dumb Me Tried to Update Mandriva (Again)
In-Reply-To: <4F9C5205.6020207@bellsouth.net>
References: <4F9C5205.6020207@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4F9C59B6.7040508@msapiro.net>

On 4/28/2012 1:24 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> As usual my attempt to update Mandriva has destroyed Mailman. This time
> the update failed and rather than move forward, I reverted back to the
> working version (2010.2). However, I must have missed something because
> I am getting the following error when I try to access Mailman web:
> 
> Apr 28 16:07:42 2012 admin(17726):
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ pr 28 16:07:42 2012
> admin(17726): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> admin(17726): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.13 -----]
> admin(17726): [----- Traceback ------]
> admin(17726): Traceback (most recent call last):
> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 97, in run_main
> admin(17726):     pkg = __import__('Mailman.Cgi', globals(), locals(),
> [scriptname])
> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 35,
> in <module>
> admin(17726):     from Mailman import MailList
> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 64, in
> <module>
> admin(17726):     from Mailman import Gui
> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/__init__.py", line
> 25, in <module>
> admin(17726):     from Privacy import Privacy
> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py", line 28,
> in <module>
> admin(17726):     from Mailman import GPGUtils


This import is not in standard GNU Mailman and neither is the
Mailman/GPGUtils.py module.


> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/GPGUtils.py", line 32, in
> <module>
> admin(17726):     import GnuPGInterface
> admin(17726): ImportError: No module named GnuPGInterface


> I don't have a clue what needs to be restored as I didn't even know this
> was using GPG.


Nor do I.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Apr 28 23:56:17 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:56:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global Font Change
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU4ZdOVHDxnxsng4zAzhszS7vei3nFZWFnToQXORQZXEDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520120428145617071718f35ede@Notebook-09>

David wrote:

>I changed WEB_HEADER_COLOR to a dark blue and I need the font to white now.
>How would I do that?


That would be very difficult. You can add a style sheet to the Mailman
generated html pages as suggested at in the post
at<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-March/060881.html>,
but this probably won't help much because WEB_HEADER_COLOR is used to
set the bachground only on the "header" rows of tables, and I don't
know how to define a style selector that would apply only to those
rows.


>Also, what does this mean?
>
># Note that in general, the template colors are not included here since it
>> is
>> # easy enough to override the default template colors via site-wide,
>> # vdomain-wide, or list-wide specializations.


It means that the mm_cfg.py color settings don't apply to templates
because template colors can be specified by editing the templates per
the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Sun Apr 29 00:02:08 2012
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:02:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dumb Me Tried to Update Mandriva (Again)
In-Reply-To: <4F9C59B6.7040508@msapiro.net>
References: <4F9C5205.6020207@bellsouth.net> <4F9C59B6.7040508@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <4F9C68E0.3060708@bellsouth.net>

On 4/28/2012 4:57 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 4/28/2012 1:24 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>> As usual my attempt to update Mandriva has destroyed Mailman. This time
>> the update failed and rather than move forward, I reverted back to the
>> working version (2010.2). However, I must have missed something because
>> I am getting the following error when I try to access Mailman web:
>>
>> Apr 28 16:07:42 2012 admin(17726):
>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ pr 28 16:07:42 2012
>> admin(17726): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>> admin(17726): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.13 -----]
>> admin(17726): [----- Traceback ------]
>> admin(17726): Traceback (most recent call last):
>> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 97, in run_main
>> admin(17726):     pkg = __import__('Mailman.Cgi', globals(), locals(),
>> [scriptname])
>> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 35,
>> in <module>
>> admin(17726):     from Mailman import MailList
>> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 64, in
>> <module>
>> admin(17726):     from Mailman import Gui
>> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/__init__.py", line
>> 25, in <module>
>> admin(17726):     from Privacy import Privacy
>> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py", line 28,
>> in <module>
>> admin(17726):     from Mailman import GPGUtils
>
> This import is not in standard GNU Mailman and neither is the
> Mailman/GPGUtils.py module.
I wonder if the update installed this so rather than restore something,
maybe I need to delete something. But from where is this being called?
>
>
>> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/GPGUtils.py", line 32, in
>> <module>
>> admin(17726):     import GnuPGInterface
>> admin(17726): ImportError: No module named GnuPGInterface
>
>> I don't have a clue what needs to be restored as I didn't even know this
>> was using GPG.
>
> Nor do I.
>


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From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 00:05:16 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 23:05:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: Mailman stopworking...help!
	(Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <PC19520120428134954070218f35ef4@Notebook-09>
References: <CAD_dc6hg0qXoepKLy2GW7iapka8caxUKWK4yeiugTOM1+A8PbQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC19520120428134954070218f35ef4@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6gcJp6WyvFgfF69UTB=09WUUcJre+Tr8ZqvYF9mqF0f5g@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

>
> You can to this automatically without creating users as follows:
>
> Add the following to mm_cfg.py
>
> MTA = 'Postfix'
>
> Remember you asked me to change MTA = 'Postfix' to 'none'  should i now
revert to 'postfix'  OR leave both?

>
Regards

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*Seun Ojedeji,*

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Apr 29 00:40:28 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:40:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dumb Me Tried to Update Mandriva (Again)
In-Reply-To: <4F9C68E0.3060708@bellsouth.net>
References: <4F9C5205.6020207@bellsouth.net> <4F9C59B6.7040508@msapiro.net>
	<4F9C68E0.3060708@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4F9C71DC.2090609@msapiro.net>

On 4/28/2012 3:02 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> On 4/28/2012 4:57 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> On 4/28/2012 1:24 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>> As usual my attempt to update Mandriva has destroyed Mailman. This time
>>> the update failed and rather than move forward, I reverted back to the
>>> working version (2010.2). However, I must have missed something because
>>> I am getting the following error when I try to access Mailman web:
>>>
>>> Apr 28 16:07:42 2012 admin(17726):
>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ pr 28 16:07:42 2012
>>> admin(17726): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>> admin(17726): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.13 -----]
>>> admin(17726): [----- Traceback ------]
>>> admin(17726): Traceback (most recent call last):
>>> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 97, in run_main
>>> admin(17726):     pkg = __import__('Mailman.Cgi', globals(), locals(),
>>> [scriptname])
>>> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 35,
>>> in <module>
>>> admin(17726):     from Mailman import MailList
>>> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 64, in
>>> <module>
>>> admin(17726):     from Mailman import Gui
>>> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/__init__.py", line
>>> 25, in <module>
>>> admin(17726):     from Privacy import Privacy
>>> admin(17726):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py", line 28,
>>> in <module>
>>> admin(17726):     from Mailman import GPGUtils
>>
>> This import is not in standard GNU Mailman and neither is the
>> Mailman/GPGUtils.py module.
> I wonder if the update installed this so rather than restore something,
> maybe I need to delete something. But from where is this being called?


According to the above traceback, the import is in
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py at line 25.

If you have a backup of /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ you could try
restoring all of it.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Apr 29 00:46:26 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:46:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: Mailman stopworking...help!
	(Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6gcJp6WyvFgfF69UTB=09WUUcJre+Tr8ZqvYF9mqF0f5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD_dc6hg0qXoepKLy2GW7iapka8caxUKWK4yeiugTOM1+A8PbQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC19520120428134954070218f35ef4@Notebook-09>
	<CAD_dc6gcJp6WyvFgfF69UTB=09WUUcJre+Tr8ZqvYF9mqF0f5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9C7342.4000001@msapiro.net>

On 4/28/2012 3:05 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net
> <mailto:mark at msapiro.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     You can to this automatically without creating users as follows:
> 
>     Add the following to mm_cfg.py
> 
>     MTA = 'Postfix'
> 
> Remember you asked me to change MTA = 'Postfix' to 'none'  should i now
> revert to 'postfix'  OR leave both?


Yes, I remember. I told you that because you are using
postfix_to_mailman.py for delivery to Mailman and you don't need Mailman
aliases for that, but apparently you do need a list of Mailman
recipients and Mailman aliases will work for that.

So replace

MTA = None

with MTA = 'Postfix'

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 00:52:18 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 23:52:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: Mailman stopworking...help!
	(Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <4F9C7342.4000001@msapiro.net>
References: <CAD_dc6hg0qXoepKLy2GW7iapka8caxUKWK4yeiugTOM1+A8PbQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC19520120428134954070218f35ef4@Notebook-09>
	<CAD_dc6gcJp6WyvFgfF69UTB=09WUUcJre+Tr8ZqvYF9mqF0f5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F9C7342.4000001@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6gsVAFk2Kn4=j3eDe1L8h2zv0BUDfUx3mwxNCrw0xPLDg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

>
> So replace
>
> MTA = None
>
> with MTA = 'Postfix'
>
>
Done! however when i created a test list from the frontpage, the stuff did
not sync until i ran /bin/genaliases..

> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
> Thanks


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*Seun Ojedeji,
Federal University Oye Ekiti
web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
Mobile: +2348035233535
**alt email: <http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng*

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Apr 29 02:37:38 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:37:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: Mailman stopworking...help!
	(Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6gsVAFk2Kn4=j3eDe1L8h2zv0BUDfUx3mwxNCrw0xPLDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204281737380426981f81d0@Notebook-09>

Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>>
>Done! however when i created a test list from the frontpage, the stuff did
>not sync until i ran /bin/genaliases..


What frontpage?  If bin/genaliases works as expected, creating a list
with bin/newlist or via the Mailman "create" CGI should also.

If you are creating lists some other way, please see the FAQ
at<http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From parakrama1282 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 03:34:24 2012
From: parakrama1282 at gmail.com (dhanushka ranasinghe)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 07:04:24 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't approve held messages
Message-ID: <CANq=HMhiwAe3qV1=HgFA=EDCkh5yEYjsjY98kzsWGjxxZ-=1jg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi...guys

i have  set of mails held for moderator approval , even though i
Click  approve and submit the mail, mail is still in the modarator
list and its not send , is there any reason for that ..


Thank You
Dhanushka

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Apr 29 04:20:54 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:20:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't approve held messages
In-Reply-To: <CANq=HMhiwAe3qV1=HgFA=EDCkh5yEYjsjY98kzsWGjxxZ-=1jg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204281920540103d4794c9d@Notebook-09>

dhanushka ranasinghe wrote:
>
>i have  set of mails held for moderator approval , even though i
>Click  approve and submit the mail, mail is still in the modarator
>list and its not send , is there any reason for that ..


Do you mean you select 'approve' in the web admindb moderator interface
and click "Submit ..." and the messages remain in the moderator
interface?

If so, what exactly is the result when you click the Submit button?

If not, what exactly do you do and what happens?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From parakrama1282 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 04:43:41 2012
From: parakrama1282 at gmail.com (dhanushka ranasinghe)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 08:13:41 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't approve held messages
In-Reply-To: <PC195201204281920540103d4794c9d@Notebook-09>
References: <CANq=HMhiwAe3qV1=HgFA=EDCkh5yEYjsjY98kzsWGjxxZ-=1jg@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201204281920540103d4794c9d@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <CANq=HMiWPLeTqYHE=_G6NZboTBb-1eCYS28_GttrLTknZZJMJQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 29 April 2012 07:50, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> dhanushka ranasinghe wrote:
>>
>>i have ?set of mails held for moderator approval , even though i
>>Click ?approve and submit the mail, mail is still in the modarator
>>list and its not send , is there any reason for that ..
>
>
> Do you mean you select 'approve' in the web admindb moderator interface
> and click "Submit ..." and the messages remain in the moderator
> interface?
>
> If so, what exactly is the result when you click the Submit button?
>
> If not, what exactly do you do and what happens?
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> ? ? ? ?The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California ? ?better use your sense - B. Dylan
>

Hi....

Yes, exactly,  after approving  mail that supposed to got the list is
still in the admindb .


Thank You
Dhanushka

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Apr 29 05:04:21 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:04:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't approve held messages
In-Reply-To: <CANq=HMiWPLeTqYHE=_G6NZboTBb-1eCYS28_GttrLTknZZJMJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204282004210223d4794cf4@Notebook-09>

dhanushka ranasinghe wrote:
>
>Yes, exactly,  after approving  mail that supposed to got the list is
>still in the admindb .


Please describe exactly what happens when you click Submit.

Does the page reload with the same messages still there? Is there any
message at the top? Or do you get a log in screen?

Also, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/ioA9> and the other FAQs
linked from there.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From parakrama1282 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 05:27:02 2012
From: parakrama1282 at gmail.com (dhanushka ranasinghe)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 08:57:02 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't approve held messages
In-Reply-To: <PC195201204282004210223d4794cf4@Notebook-09>
References: <CANq=HMiWPLeTqYHE=_G6NZboTBb-1eCYS28_GttrLTknZZJMJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201204282004210223d4794cf4@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <CANq=HMhsqVWQzmseY9qJHTn0iekGPUM5geBSdsfv9HOSQXKJDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi..

no thing , After the  page reload  message is still there... nothing
shows in the screen or logs


Thank You
Dhanushka

On 29 April 2012 08:34, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> dhanushka ranasinghe wrote:
>>
>>Yes, exactly, ?after approving ?mail that supposed to got the list is
>>still in the admindb .
>
>
> Please describe exactly what happens when you click Submit.
>
> Does the page reload with the same messages still there? Is there any
> message at the top? Or do you get a log in screen?
>
> Also, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/ioA9> and the other FAQs
> linked from there.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> ? ? ? ?The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California ? ?better use your sense - B. Dylan
>

From parakrama1282 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 07:39:23 2012
From: parakrama1282 at gmail.com (dhanushka ranasinghe)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:09:23 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't approve held messages
In-Reply-To: <CANq=HMhsqVWQzmseY9qJHTn0iekGPUM5geBSdsfv9HOSQXKJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANq=HMiWPLeTqYHE=_G6NZboTBb-1eCYS28_GttrLTknZZJMJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201204282004210223d4794cf4@Notebook-09>
	<CANq=HMhsqVWQzmseY9qJHTn0iekGPUM5geBSdsfv9HOSQXKJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANq=HMgxydv7qFc_YT69mtcVrEAXbHSXVnYpOq4PVxf4YU+uUg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi...

by the way is there any way to send held messages from the command promt...

Thank You
Dhanushka

On 29 April 2012 08:57, dhanushka ranasinghe <parakrama1282 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi..
>
> no thing , After the ?page reload ?message is still there... nothing
> shows in the screen or logs
>
>
> Thank You
> Dhanushka
>
> On 29 April 2012 08:34, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>> dhanushka ranasinghe wrote:
>>>
>>>Yes, exactly, ?after approving ?mail that supposed to got the list is
>>>still in the admindb .
>>
>>
>> Please describe exactly what happens when you click Submit.
>>
>> Does the page reload with the same messages still there? Is there any
>> message at the top? Or do you get a log in screen?
>>
>> Also, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/ioA9> and the other FAQs
>> linked from there.
>>
>> --
>> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> ? ? ? ?The highway is for gamblers,
>> San Francisco Bay Area, California ? ?better use your sense - B. Dylan
>>

From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Sun Apr 29 08:15:39 2012
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 07:15:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: Mailman stopworking...help!
	(Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <PC195201204281737380426981f81d0@Notebook-09>
References: <CAD_dc6gsVAFk2Kn4=j3eDe1L8h2zv0BUDfUx3mwxNCrw0xPLDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201204281737380426981f81d0@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <CAD_dc6g++SSndZLQY=eohuHLuAwQX=WTsUQCDFeesic6bOWSvg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> What frontpage?  If bin/genaliases works as expected, creating a list
> with bin/newlist or via the Mailman "create" CGI should also.
>
> I was referring to the create CGI, after creating the list, i sent a mail
to the list and got an unknown users error. However  when i now ran
bin/genaliases all became fine. I guess i can live with that....

If you are creating lists some other way, please see the FAQ
> at<http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD>.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*Seun Ojedeji,
Federal University Oye Ekiti
web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
Mobile: +2348035233535
**alt email: <http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng*

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Apr 29 15:00:58 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 06:00:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: Mailman stopworking...help!
	(Progress?)
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6g++SSndZLQY=eohuHLuAwQX=WTsUQCDFeesic6bOWSvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952012042906005802257203751b@Notebook-09>

Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>
>On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>
>> What frontpage?  If bin/genaliases works as expected, creating a list
>> with bin/newlist or via the Mailman "create" CGI should also.
>>
>> I was referring to the create CGI, after creating the list, i sent a mail
>to the list and got an unknown users error. However  when i now ran
>bin/genaliases all became fine. I guess i can live with that....


Did you actually look to see if /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases(.db) had
or had not been updated after creating the list and before running
genaliases? Perhaps the real issue was that Postfix hadn't noticed the
change yet when you sent your test mail?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Apr 29 15:13:40 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 06:13:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't approve held messages
In-Reply-To: <CANq=HMgxydv7qFc_YT69mtcVrEAXbHSXVnYpOq4PVxf4YU+uUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520120429061340071474fddaf2@Notebook-09>

dhanushka ranasinghe wrote:
>
>by the way is there any way to send held messages from the command promt...


Mailman's standard bin/discard script can discard them but not approve
them.

The script at <http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/held> can accept, reject
or discard them as well as doing most of the other things that can be
done from the admindb interface.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Apr 29 15:19:37 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 06:19:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't approve held messages
In-Reply-To: <CANq=HMhsqVWQzmseY9qJHTn0iekGPUM5geBSdsfv9HOSQXKJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204290619370010b1e3482f@Notebook-09>

dhanushka ranasinghe wrote:
>
>no thing , After the  page reload  message is still there... nothing
>shows in the screen or logs


Again, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/ioA9>.

The most likely cause is the action= URL in the form submitted by the
admindb page is being redirected in the web server (maybe from http to
https), and the redirect is losing the POST data.

View the source of the admindb page or even the admindb login page in
your browser to see what the action= URL is.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jon.1234 at hotmail.co.uk  Sun Apr 29 15:16:42 2012
From: jon.1234 at hotmail.co.uk (Jon 1234)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:16:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global Font Change
In-Reply-To: <CAH=dxU4ZdOVHDxnxsng4zAzhszS7vei3nFZWFnToQXORQZXEDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=dxU4ZdOVHDxnxsng4zAzhszS7vei3nFZWFnToQXORQZXEDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT135-W555967217A05FD74640AFD32B0@phx.gbl>



> I changed WEB_HEADER_COLOR to a dark blue and I need the font to white now.> How would I do that?> > This question from 2004 (without an answer) is the only related thing I> have found so far.
The following is how I changed the font face and background colour (not text colour, admittedly) site-wide, and may assist you.
Create a mailman.css file but put it outside your mailman directory so that you can refer to it using an absolute URL.
Link to it in the following files (using http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman/edithtml/listname where necessary):
Mailman/htmlformat.py:325:                   'href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">')lists/listname/en/listinfo.html:7:<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">lists/listname/en/options.html:6:<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">lists/listname/en/subscribe.html:4:<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css"></head>lists/listname/en/archidxhead.html:5:     <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">lists/listname/en/archtoc.html:6:     <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">lists/listname/en/archtocnombox.html:5:     <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">lists/listname/en/article.html:15:   <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">lists/listname/en/private.html:4:<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">
You should copy some of the files from templates/en to lists/listname/en before you edit them.
To get the archives HTML to update properly following any changes you need to:bin/mailmanctl stopbin/arch --wipe listnamebin/mailmanctl start
My scheme was black on white so I had to remove a few FONT BGCOLOR tags. I imagine there are even more FONT COLOR tags for you to remove. To find them you couldgrep -RnisI "<font" *|more orgrep -RnisI "#000000" *|more
Best wishes
Jon 		 	   		  

From jon.1234 at hotmail.co.uk  Sun Apr 29 21:48:35 2012
From: jon.1234 at hotmail.co.uk (Jon 1234)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:48:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global Font Change
In-Reply-To: <SNT135-W555967217A05FD74640AFD32B0@phx.gbl>
References: <CAH=dxU4ZdOVHDxnxsng4zAzhszS7vei3nFZWFnToQXORQZXEDg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<SNT135-W555967217A05FD74640AFD32B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT135-W61959A26F17F4BAF5F55A6D32B0@phx.gbl>



Sorry for the dreadful formatting. I'll try again...
The following is how I changed the font face and background colour (not text colour, admittedly) site-wide, and may assist you.
Create a mailman.css file but put it outside your mailman directory so that you can refer to it using an absolute URL.

Link to it in the following files (using http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman/edithtml/listname where necessary):

1. Mailman/htmlformat.py:325:                   'href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">')
2. lists/listname/en/listinfo.html:7:<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">
3. lists/listname/en/options.html:6:<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">
4. lists/listname/en/subscribe.html:4:<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css"></head>
5. lists/listname/en/archidxhead.html:5:     <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">
6. lists/listname/en/archtoc.html:6:     <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">
7. lists/listname/en/archtocnombox.html:5:     <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">
8. lists/listname/en/article.html:15:   <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">
9. lists/listname/en/private.html:4:<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.co.uk/mailman.css" type="text/css">
You should copy some of the files from templates/en to lists/listname/en before you edit them.

To get the archives HTML to update properly following any changes you need to:bin/mailmanctl stopbin/arch --wipe listnamebin/mailmanctl start

My scheme was black on white so I had to remove a few FONT BGCOLOR tags. 
I imagine there are even more FONT COLOR tags for you to remove. To find them you couldgrep -RnisI "<font" *|more orgrep -RnisI "#000000" *|more

Best wishes

Jon 		 	   		  

 		 	   		  

From parakrama1282 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 05:51:49 2012
From: parakrama1282 at gmail.com (dhanushka ranasinghe)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:21:49 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't approve held messages
In-Reply-To: <PC195201204290619370010b1e3482f@Notebook-09>
References: <CANq=HMhsqVWQzmseY9qJHTn0iekGPUM5geBSdsfv9HOSQXKJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201204290619370010b1e3482f@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <CANq=HMhF3e1_+HjrMmuMqDz=WAq8nPUp7X9HwHGQxFZ-QWuTcw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi..

Is there any way to stop such as http to https redirection

Thank You

On 29 April 2012 18:49, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> dhanushka ranasinghe wrote:
>>
>>no thing , After the ?page reload ?message is still there... nothing
>>shows in the screen or logs
>
>
> Again, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/ioA9>.
>
> The most likely cause is the action= URL in the form submitted by the
> admindb page is being redirected in the web server (maybe from http to
> https), and the redirect is losing the POST data.
>
> View the source of the admindb page or even the admindb login page in
> your browser to see what the action= URL is.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> ? ? ? ?The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California ? ?better use your sense - B. Dylan
>

From parakrama1282 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 06:12:53 2012
From: parakrama1282 at gmail.com (dhanushka ranasinghe)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:42:53 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't approve held messages
In-Reply-To: <CANq=HMhF3e1_+HjrMmuMqDz=WAq8nPUp7X9HwHGQxFZ-QWuTcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANq=HMhsqVWQzmseY9qJHTn0iekGPUM5geBSdsfv9HOSQXKJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201204290619370010b1e3482f@Notebook-09>
	<CANq=HMhF3e1_+HjrMmuMqDz=WAq8nPUp7X9HwHGQxFZ-QWuTcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANq=HMhJiVBCRUdoDvXUGC+afC7xyHC=9S30LeB5oSjGj8t9XQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi...

only admindb pagers redirecting to the https, others are using http
any reson for that

Thank You
Dhanushka
On 30 April 2012 09:21, dhanushka ranasinghe <parakrama1282 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi..
>
> Is there any way to stop such as http to https redirection
>
> Thank You
>
> On 29 April 2012 18:49, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>> dhanushka ranasinghe wrote:
>>>
>>>no thing , After the ?page reload ?message is still there... nothing
>>>shows in the screen or logs
>>
>>
>> Again, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/ioA9>.
>>
>> The most likely cause is the action= URL in the form submitted by the
>> admindb page is being redirected in the web server (maybe from http to
>> https), and the redirect is losing the POST data.
>>
>> View the source of the admindb page or even the admindb login page in
>> your browser to see what the action= URL is.
>>
>> --
>> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> ? ? ? ?The highway is for gamblers,
>> San Francisco Bay Area, California ? ?better use your sense - B. Dylan
>>

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Apr 30 18:28:05 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:28:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't approve held messages
In-Reply-To: <CANq=HMhF3e1_+HjrMmuMqDz=WAq8nPUp7X9HwHGQxFZ-QWuTcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952012043009280502716bcb6914@Notebook-09>

dhanushka ranasinghe wrote:
>
>Is there any way to stop such as http to https redirection


This would be in the configuration of your web server. If this is a
hosted server, contact your hosing service. If it is your server, that
FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/7oA9> may help.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Apr 30 18:30:35 2012
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:30:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't approve held messages
In-Reply-To: <CANq=HMhJiVBCRUdoDvXUGC+afC7xyHC=9S30LeB5oSjGj8t9XQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201204300930350271a9ff5532@Notebook-09>

dhanushka ranasinghe wrote:
>
>only admindb pagers redirecting to the https, others are using http
>any reson for that


This is controlled by the configuration of your web server.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From chadrebuck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 20:02:51 2012
From: chadrebuck at gmail.com (Chad Rebuck)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:02:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] confused by group mismatch
Message-ID: <CA+V5SC-0A+vsBCzkpjsAx6CrL5wejicmjNVV3j0N8LZKSXM0ow@mail.gmail.com>

I've had a list running fine for months, but after I restored my
complete disk from backup I am getting this message when posting to
the list:


<a2-16v-list at mail.a2-16v.com>: Command died with status 2:
   "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post a2-16v-list". Command output: Group
   mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as
   group "80", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group
   "mailman".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "80",
   or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
   `--with-mail-gid=mailman'.


I've checked the faq here -
http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Understanding+group+mismatch+errors+-+how+mailman+implements+security

I've also searched around and I'm not really understanding why the
group "80" isn't translated to mailman?  Ideas?

mailman exists in /etc/group

mailman:x:80:

mailman exist in /etc/passwd

mailman:x:80:80:GNU Mailing List Manager:/usr/lib/mailman:/sbin/nologin


I don't understand what the problem is.  I didn't want to just re
configure mailman without first asking what else to check.  After all
this was working for many months prior to the hard drive restore.

Thank you.

From chadrebuck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 19:41:32 2012
From: chadrebuck at gmail.com (Chad Rebuck)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:41:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe
Message-ID: <CA+V5SC95D06DH-D6nqdM2Y2T8s+AqdM27HVpsuvxCrD+SoTy0A@mail.gmail.com>



From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Mon Apr 30 20:08:56 2012
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:08:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] confused by group mismatch
In-Reply-To: <CA+V5SC-0A+vsBCzkpjsAx6CrL5wejicmjNVV3j0N8LZKSXM0ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+V5SC-0A+vsBCzkpjsAx6CrL5wejicmjNVV3j0N8LZKSXM0ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120430180856.GD8944@charite.de>

* Chad Rebuck <chadrebuck at gmail.com>:
> I've had a list running fine for months, but after I restored my
> complete disk from backup I am getting this message when posting to
> the list:
> 
> 
> <a2-16v-list at mail.a2-16v.com>: Command died with status 2:
>    "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post a2-16v-list". Command output: Group
>    mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as
>    group "80", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group
>    "mailman".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "80",
>    or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
>    `--with-mail-gid=mailman'.

Which MTA is this?
 
> I've checked the faq here -
> http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Understanding+group+mismatch+errors+-+how+mailman+implements+security
> 
> I've also searched around and I'm not really understanding why the
> group "80" isn't translated to mailman?  Ideas?
> 
> mailman exists in /etc/group
> 
> mailman:x:80:

Group 80 = mailman

> mailman exist in /etc/passwd
> 
> mailman:x:80:80:GNU Mailing List Manager:/usr/lib/mailman:/sbin/nologin

UID 80 = mailman, belonging to group 80 (mailman)

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt                   Charite Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de        Campus Benjamin Franklin
http://www.charite.de              Hindenburgdamm 30, 12203 Berlin
Gesch?ftsbereich IT, Abt. Netzwerk fon: +49-30-450.570.155

From chadrebuck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 20:19:31 2012
From: chadrebuck at gmail.com (Chad Rebuck)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:19:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] confused by group mismatch
In-Reply-To: <20120430180856.GD8944@charite.de>
References: <CA+V5SC-0A+vsBCzkpjsAx6CrL5wejicmjNVV3j0N8LZKSXM0ow@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120430180856.GD8944@charite.de>
Message-ID: <CA+V5SC_And7fy231A9YtFyA8jtqqKxjGp1CeMwqTXXYshw5yzg@mail.gmail.com>

postfix

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Ralf Hildebrandt
<Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de> wrote:
> * Chad Rebuck <chadrebuck at gmail.com>:
>> I've had a list running fine for months, but after I restored my
>> complete disk from backup I am getting this message when posting to
>> the list:
>>
>>
>> <a2-16v-list at mail.a2-16v.com>: Command died with status 2:
>> ? ?"/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post a2-16v-list". Command output: Group
>> ? ?mismatch error. ?Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as
>> ? ?group "80", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group
>> ? ?"mailman". ?Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "80",
>> ? ?or re-run configure, ?providing the command line option
>> ? ?`--with-mail-gid=mailman'.
>
> Which MTA is this?
>
>> I've checked the faq here -
>> http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Understanding+group+mismatch+errors+-+how+mailman+implements+security
>>
>> I've also searched around and I'm not really understanding why the
>> group "80" isn't translated to mailman? ?Ideas?
>>
>> mailman exists in /etc/group
>>
>> mailman:x:80:
>
> Group 80 = mailman
>
>> mailman exist in /etc/passwd
>>
>> mailman:x:80:80:GNU Mailing List Manager:/usr/lib/mailman:/sbin/nologin
>
> UID 80 = mailman, belonging to group 80 (mailman)
>
> --
> Ralf Hildebrandt ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Charite Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
> ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de ? ? ? ?Campus Benjamin Franklin
> http://www.charite.de ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Hindenburgdamm 30, 12203 Berlin
> Gesch?ftsbereich IT, Abt. Netzwerk fon: +49-30-450.570.155
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/chadrebuck%40gmail.com

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Mon Apr 30 20:21:52 2012
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:21:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] confused by group mismatch
In-Reply-To: <CA+V5SC_And7fy231A9YtFyA8jtqqKxjGp1CeMwqTXXYshw5yzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+V5SC-0A+vsBCzkpjsAx6CrL5wejicmjNVV3j0N8LZKSXM0ow@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120430180856.GD8944@charite.de>
	<CA+V5SC_And7fy231A9YtFyA8jtqqKxjGp1CeMwqTXXYshw5yzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120430182152.GE8944@charite.de>

* Chad Rebuck <chadrebuck at gmail.com>:
> postfix

* What does "postfix check" say?
* How are you interfacing mailman & postfix (pipe in master.cf?
  /etc/aliases?)

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt                   Charite Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de        Campus Benjamin Franklin
http://www.charite.de              Hindenburgdamm 30, 12203 Berlin
Gesch?ftsbereich IT, Abt. Netzwerk fon: +49-30-450.570.155

From chadrebuck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 20:30:48 2012
From: chadrebuck at gmail.com (Chad Rebuck)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:30:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] confused by group mismatch
In-Reply-To: <20120430182152.GE8944@charite.de>
References: <CA+V5SC-0A+vsBCzkpjsAx6CrL5wejicmjNVV3j0N8LZKSXM0ow@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120430180856.GD8944@charite.de>
	<CA+V5SC_And7fy231A9YtFyA8jtqqKxjGp1CeMwqTXXYshw5yzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120430182152.GE8944@charite.de>
Message-ID: <CA+V5SC9hHnRMRNGfMpO4m5P8RKwzz8b_49Lohm8fjwXks_ihdQ@mail.gmail.com>

"postfix check"shows no output

/etc/postfix/master.cf has alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases,
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

thanks for your help so far

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Ralf Hildebrandt
<Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de> wrote:
> * Chad Rebuck <chadrebuck at gmail.com>:
>> postfix
>
> * What does "postfix check" say?
> * How are you interfacing mailman & postfix (pipe in master.cf?
> ?/etc/aliases?)
>
> --
> Ralf Hildebrandt ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Charite Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
> ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de ? ? ? ?Campus Benjamin Franklin
> http://www.charite.de ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Hindenburgdamm 30, 12203 Berlin
> Gesch?ftsbereich IT, Abt. Netzwerk fon: +49-30-450.570.155

From cpz at tuunq.com  Mon Apr 30 20:13:55 2012
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:13:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] confused by group mismatch
In-Reply-To: <CA+V5SC-0A+vsBCzkpjsAx6CrL5wejicmjNVV3j0N8LZKSXM0ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+V5SC-0A+vsBCzkpjsAx6CrL5wejicmjNVV3j0N8LZKSXM0ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F9ED663.8080001@tuunq.com>

On 4/30/2012 11:02 AM, Chad Rebuck wrote:
> I've had a list running fine for months, but after I restored my
> complete disk from backup I am getting this message when posting to
> the list:
>
>
> <a2-16v-list at mail.a2-16v.com>: Command died with status 2:
>     "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post a2-16v-list". Command output: Group
>     mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as
>     group "80", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group
>     "mailman".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "80",
>     or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
>     `--with-mail-gid=mailman'.

Have you run check_perms and fixed whatever it said? Specifically, check the 
permissions on /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman (on my system: -rwxr-sr-x).

(Your alias file might use "wrapper", and /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper -> 
mailman)

z!

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Mon Apr 30 22:14:29 2012
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:14:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] confused by group mismatch
In-Reply-To: <CA+V5SC9hHnRMRNGfMpO4m5P8RKwzz8b_49Lohm8fjwXks_ihdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+V5SC-0A+vsBCzkpjsAx6CrL5wejicmjNVV3j0N8LZKSXM0ow@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120430180856.GD8944@charite.de>
	<CA+V5SC_And7fy231A9YtFyA8jtqqKxjGp1CeMwqTXXYshw5yzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120430182152.GE8944@charite.de>
	<CA+V5SC9hHnRMRNGfMpO4m5P8RKwzz8b_49Lohm8fjwXks_ihdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120430201429.GF8944@charite.de>

* Chad Rebuck <chadrebuck at gmail.com>:
> "postfix check"shows no output

Good!
 
> /etc/postfix/master.cf has 

main.cf

> alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

Looking good. Could you please issue a 

ls -l /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases*

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt                   Charite Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de        Campus Benjamin Franklin
http://www.charite.de              Hindenburgdamm 30, 12203 Berlin
Gesch?ftsbereich IT, Abt. Netzwerk fon: +49-30-450.570.155

From chadrebuck at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 22:28:29 2012
From: chadrebuck at gmail.com (Chad Rebuck)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:28:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] confused by group mismatch
In-Reply-To: <20120430201429.GF8944@charite.de>
References: <CA+V5SC-0A+vsBCzkpjsAx6CrL5wejicmjNVV3j0N8LZKSXM0ow@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120430180856.GD8944@charite.de>
	<CA+V5SC_And7fy231A9YtFyA8jtqqKxjGp1CeMwqTXXYshw5yzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120430182152.GE8944@charite.de>
	<CA+V5SC9hHnRMRNGfMpO4m5P8RKwzz8b_49Lohm8fjwXks_ihdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120430201429.GF8944@charite.de>
Message-ID: <CA+V5SC8zkgCxE8TrvmbkCLTN7uLHS4RDbbmr1D_a2aNZb-Eynw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Ralf!

I'm using arch linux.  I reverted from 2.1.14-3-arm.pkg.tar.xz to
2.1.14-1-arm.pkg.tar.xz and it works now so I'll see about entering a
bug report for someone who maintains the arch arm package.


On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Ralf Hildebrandt
<Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de> wrote:
> * Chad Rebuck <chadrebuck at gmail.com>:
>> "postfix check"shows no output
>
> Good!
>
>> /etc/postfix/master.cf has
>
> main.cf
>
>> alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>
> Looking good. Could you please issue a
>
> ls -l /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases*
>
> --
> Ralf Hildebrandt ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Charite Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
> ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de ? ? ? ?Campus Benjamin Franklin
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From madsonra at dcc.ufba.br  Mon Apr 30 21:34:53 2012
From: madsonra at dcc.ufba.br (madsonra at dcc.ufba.br)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:34:53 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The mailman has "log" of moderated messages?
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Dear,

excuse me I'm not very good with English. I wonder if the mailman
stores "log" about moderation. Exactly I want to find out which
moderator approved some messages that were sent to the list.