From michael.capelle at charter.net  Fri Jul  1 05:25:49 2011
From: michael.capelle at charter.net (Michael Capelle)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 22:25:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about archiving.
Message-ID: <C50B72760B9E4E3E8A1F98C1DBD1EDA6@michael849cd7d>

Hello.
is there a way to search by topic in  mailman?
if not, will this be implemented?

From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Fri Jul  1 17:27:19 2011
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 11:27:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds error
Message-ID: <4E0DE757.4060401@bellsouth.net>

I am still struggling to get my monthly password reminder working. I had
to change the site list from 'mailman' to 'dapmm' in order to create
acceptable site mailbox names for my ISP. However, now when I run
'mailpasswds -l <listname> I get this error:

Site list is missing: dapmm

Obviously I am still missing a piece of the puzzle. The only change I
made was "MAILMAN_SITE_LIST='dapmm'" to mm_cfg.py.

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From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jul  1 17:56:16 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 08:56:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds error
In-Reply-To: <4E0DE757.4060401@bellsouth.net>
References: <4E0DE757.4060401@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4E0DEE20.9070106@msapiro.net>

On 7/1/2011 8:27 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> I am still struggling to get my monthly password reminder working. I had
> to change the site list from 'mailman' to 'dapmm' in order to create
> acceptable site mailbox names for my ISP. However, now when I run
> 'mailpasswds -l <listname> I get this error:
> 
> Site list is missing: dapmm
> 
> Obviously I am still missing a piece of the puzzle. The only change I
> made was "MAILMAN_SITE_LIST='dapmm'" to mm_cfg.py.


Apparently you also neglected to restart Mailman or you would have
gotten the same error there.

You have changed the name of the site list, but you haven't created a
list with the new name. Your old 'mailman' list is no longer the site
list. You can delete it and create a new 'dapmm' site list or rename the
'mailman' list to 'dapmm' per <http://wiki.list.org/x/mYA9>, or if for
some reason you want to keep the 'mailman' list, that's OK, but you must
have a site list and it's name is now 'dapmm', so you need to create it.

Then, restart Mailman.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Fri Jul  1 19:12:12 2011
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 13:12:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds error
In-Reply-To: <4E0DEE20.9070106@msapiro.net>
References: <4E0DE757.4060401@bellsouth.net> <4E0DEE20.9070106@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <4E0DFFEC.4020108@bellsouth.net>

Thanks for the reply. As usual, nothing is that simple. I tried to
create the list 'dapmm' and got this:

Jul 01 13:06:07 2011 admin(7032):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(7032): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.13 -----]
admin(7032): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(7032): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(7032):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
admin(7032):     main()
admin(7032):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 56,
in main
admin(7032):     process_request(doc, cgidata)
admin(7032):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 191,
in process_request
admin(7032):     urlhost=hostname)
admin(7032): TypeError: Create() got an unexpected keyword argument
'urlhost'
admin(7032): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(7032): sys.version     =   2.6.5 (r265:79063, May 20 2011, 13:23:49)
[GCC 4.4.3]
admin(7032): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python
admin(7032): sys.prefix      =   /usr
admin(7032): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr
admin(7032): sys.path        =   /usr
admin(7032): sys.platform    =   linux2
admin(7032): [----- Environment Variables -----]

I didn't include all the environment stuff because of the data it
contains but if a specific variable is needed, let me know and I will
post it.

On 7/1/2011 11:56 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 7/1/2011 8:27 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>> I am still struggling to get my monthly password reminder working. I had
>> to change the site list from 'mailman' to 'dapmm' in order to create
>> acceptable site mailbox names for my ISP. However, now when I run
>> 'mailpasswds -l <listname> I get this error:
>>
>> Site list is missing: dapmm
>>
>> Obviously I am still missing a piece of the puzzle. The only change I
>> made was "MAILMAN_SITE_LIST='dapmm'" to mm_cfg.py.
>
> Apparently you also neglected to restart Mailman or you would have
> gotten the same error there.
>
> You have changed the name of the site list, but you haven't created a
> list with the new name. Your old 'mailman' list is no longer the site
> list. You can delete it and create a new 'dapmm' site list or rename the
> 'mailman' list to 'dapmm' per <http://wiki.list.org/x/mYA9>, or if for
> some reason you want to keep the 'mailman' list, that's OK, but you must
> have a site list and it's name is now 'dapmm', so you need to create it.
>
> Then, restart Mailman.
>


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From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jul  1 21:15:43 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 12:15:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds error
In-Reply-To: <4E0DFFEC.4020108@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <PC195201107011215430765d94f68e8@MSAPIRO>

Dennis Putnam wrote:
>
>Thanks for the reply. As usual, nothing is that simple. I tried to
>create the list 'dapmm' and got this:
>
>Jul 01 13:06:07 2011 admin(7032):
>@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>admin(7032): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.13 -----]
>admin(7032): [----- Traceback ------]
>admin(7032): Traceback (most recent call last):
>admin(7032):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>admin(7032):     main()
>admin(7032):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 56,
>in main
>admin(7032):     process_request(doc, cgidata)
>admin(7032):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 191,
>in process_request
>admin(7032):     urlhost=hostname)
>admin(7032): TypeError: Create() got an unexpected keyword argument
>'urlhost'


It appears that your /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py script is
from Mailman 2.1.14 and your base Mailman version including
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py is 2.1.13. These are not
compatible.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Fri Jul  1 21:30:20 2011
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:30:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds error
In-Reply-To: <PC195201107011215430765d94f68e8@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201107011215430765d94f68e8@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4E0E204C.4080508@bellsouth.net>

Thanks. Mandrivia strikes again. I guess I need figure out how to
upgrade to 2.1.14.

On 7/1/2011 3:15 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Dennis Putnam wrote:
>> Thanks for the reply. As usual, nothing is that simple. I tried to
>> create the list 'dapmm' and got this:
>>
>> Jul 01 13:06:07 2011 admin(7032):
>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>> admin(7032): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.13 -----]
>> admin(7032): [----- Traceback ------]
>> admin(7032): Traceback (most recent call last):
>> admin(7032):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>> admin(7032):     main()
>> admin(7032):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 56,
>> in main
>> admin(7032):     process_request(doc, cgidata)
>> admin(7032):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 191,
>> in process_request
>> admin(7032):     urlhost=hostname)
>> admin(7032): TypeError: Create() got an unexpected keyword argument
>> 'urlhost'
>
> It appears that your /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py script is
> from Mailman 2.1.14 and your base Mailman version including
> /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py is 2.1.13. These are not
> compatible.
>


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From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jul  1 21:47:52 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 12:47:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds error
In-Reply-To: <4E0E204C.4080508@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <PC195201107011247520812d94f6920@MSAPIRO>

Dennis Putnam wrote:
>
>Thanks. Mandrivia strikes again. I guess I need figure out how to
>upgrade to 2.1.14.


You could try bin/newlist. That might work.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Fri Jul  1 21:57:59 2011
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:57:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds error
In-Reply-To: <PC195201107011247520812d94f6920@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201107011247520812d94f6920@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4E0E26C7.5030200@bellsouth.net>

It turns out the RPM for 2.1.14 is not available yet for 2010. However,
I reinstalled 2.1.13 and created the new list. Now I am on to the next
layer of the onion.

# ./config_list -i file dapmm
<b>real_name</b> attribute not
            changed!  It must differ from the list's name by case
            only.

On 7/1/2011 3:47 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Dennis Putnam wrote:
>> Thanks. Mandrivia strikes again. I guess I need figure out how to
>> upgrade to 2.1.14.
>
> You could try bin/newlist. That might work.
>


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From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jul  2 06:17:04 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 21:17:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about archiving.
In-Reply-To: <C50B72760B9E4E3E8A1F98C1DBD1EDA6@michael849cd7d>
Message-ID: <PC195201107012117040171b609acef@MSAPIRO>

Michael Capelle wrote:

>Hello.
>is there a way to search by topic in  mailman?
>if not, will this be implemented?


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/MoA9> for information about
making archives searchable.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rfox at irex.org  Fri Jul  1 21:52:27 2011
From: rfox at irex.org (rfox)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 12:52:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Pending messages queue empty
Message-ID: <31976331.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

I am encountering a strange issue with our listserv which I hope someone can
shed some light on. The administrator/moderator of the list gets a message
saying that there is a post pending approval. However, when he logs inand 
clicks "Tend to pending moderator requests" there is nothing there.
Basically we keep getting "pending" notices but the queue is empty. It had
been working and no settings were changed. 

We're running Mailman 2.1.14

Thanks for any insight you may have.
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From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jul  2 16:59:31 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 07:59:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending messages queue empty
In-Reply-To: <31976331.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201107020759310109a961f60c@MSAPIRO>

rfox wrote:
>
>I am encountering a strange issue with our listserv


Please see <http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+is+not+Listserv>.


>which I hope someone can
>shed some light on. The administrator/moderator of the list gets a message
>saying that there is a post pending approval. However, when he logs inand 
>clicks "Tend to pending moderator requests" there is nothing there.
>Basically we keep getting "pending" notices but the queue is empty. It had
>been working and no settings were changed. 


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/EoCE>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Wed Jul  6 00:44:42 2011
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 18:44:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds error
In-Reply-To: <PC195201107011247520812d94f6920@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201107011247520812d94f6920@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4E1393DA.8030708@bellsouth.net>

My ISP occasionally, for unknown reasons, blocks email from python.org
and apparently sometimes to python.org. Since I did not get a reply and
I cannot find this in the archives, I am sending this again. If this is
a double post, my apologies in advance.

It turns out the RPM for 2.1.14 is not available yet for 2010. However,
I reinstalled 2.1.13 and created the new list. Now I am on to the next
layer of the onion.

# ./config_list -i file dapmm
<b>real_name</b> attribute not
            changed!  It must differ from the list's name by case
            only.

On 7/1/2011 3:47 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Dennis Putnam wrote:
>> Thanks. Mandrivia strikes again. I guess I need figure out how to
>> upgrade to 2.1.14.
>
> You could try bin/newlist. That might work.
>




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From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jul  6 02:49:02 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:49:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds error
In-Reply-To: <4E1393DA.8030708@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <PC1952011070517490204682963fb56@MSAPIRO>

Dennis Putnam wrote:
>
>My ISP occasionally, for unknown reasons, blocks email from python.org
>and apparently sometimes to python.org. Since I did not get a reply and
>I cannot find this in the archives, I am sending this again. If this is
>a double post, my apologies in advance.


This entire thread including the prior post of the following begins at
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2011-July/071887.html>.

I don't know why you couldn't find it.


>It turns out the RPM for 2.1.14 is not available yet for 2010. However,
>I reinstalled 2.1.13 and created the new list. Now I am on to the next
>layer of the onion.
>
># ./config_list -i file dapmm
><b>real_name</b> attribute not
>            changed!  It must differ from the list's name by case
>            only.



So you are trying to configure the new site list 'dapmm' using the
configuration in 'file'. Presumably 'file' is the output from
something like

  bin/config_list -o file mailman

and contains a line like

real_name = 'Mailman'

Either remove that line or change it to something like

real_name = 'DAPmm'

where the value differs only in case from 'dapmm'.

However, you really don't need to do anything because config_list
already applied all the other changes.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rfox at irex.org  Wed Jul  6 14:39:33 2011
From: rfox at irex.org (rfox)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 05:39:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending messages queue empty
In-Reply-To: <PC195201107020759310109a961f60c@MSAPIRO>
References: <31976331.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<PC195201107020759310109a961f60c@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <32004573.post@talk.nabble.com>


Got it, mailman is not listserv. Thank you for the correction.

Any specific help for my issue?


Mark Sapiro-3 wrote:
> 
> rfox wrote:
>>
>>I am encountering a strange issue with our listserv
> 
> 
> Please see <http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+is+not+Listserv>.
> 
> 
>>which I hope someone can
>>shed some light on. The administrator/moderator of the list gets a message
>>saying that there is a post pending approval. However, when he logs inand 
>>clicks "Tend to pending moderator requests" there is nothing there.
>>Basically we keep getting "pending" notices but the queue is empty. It had
>>been working and no settings were changed. 
> 
> 
> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/EoCE>.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lists%40nabble.com
> 
> 

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From mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de  Wed Jul  6 14:43:57 2011
From: mailman-admin at uni-konstanz.de (Mailman Admin)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 14:43:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending messages queue empty
In-Reply-To: <32004573.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <31976331.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<PC195201107020759310109a961f60c@MSAPIRO>
	<32004573.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4E14588D.8010206@uni-konstanz.de>

Hi

On 07/06/2011 02:39 PM, rfox wrote:
> 
> Got it, mailman is not listserv. Thank you for the correction.
> 
> Any specific help for my issue?
> 

Did you read the following?

> Mark Sapiro-3 wrote:
>>
>>
>> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/EoCE>.
>>

Bye
Christian Mack

From khamilton at umem.org  Tue Jul  5 22:23:22 2011
From: khamilton at umem.org (kphamilton)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 13:23:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Mailman MySQL backend migration question
Message-ID: <32000121.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hello,

I am attempting to migrate from using Mailman's flat file to store
information about members towards a MySQL database backend instead. I have
successfully configured it so that when I add a new member or change a
member, it changes appropriately with the database table. The problem is
that I have 1500+ people who already exist within the flat file and have
preferences stored in that file. I need to migrate the data from the flat
file to the mySQL database so that all of the preferences are preserved.

I have looked a little bit into .json files and importing the information in
that manner, but I have not found a solution that works for me. 

Does anyone have any advice for me on this one?

Thanks in advance!

-Kevin
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From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jul  6 14:46:00 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 05:46:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending messages queue empty
In-Reply-To: <32004573.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <31976331.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<PC195201107020759310109a961f60c@MSAPIRO>
	<32004573.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <615a5ab1-598e-47ad-a080-0d6f9eda555e@email.android.com>

rfox <rfox at irex.org> wrote:

>Any specific help for my issue?


Did you see this FAQ?

>Mark Sapiro-3 wrote:
>> 
>> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/EoCE>.


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From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jul  7 03:43:06 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 18:43:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman MySQL backend migration question
In-Reply-To: <32000121.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520110706184306084370c0e911@MSAPIRO>

kphamilton wrote:
>
>I am attempting to migrate from using Mailman's flat file to store
>information about members towards a MySQL database backend instead. I have
>successfully configured it so that when I add a new member or change a
>member, it changes appropriately with the database table. The problem is
>that I have 1500+ people who already exist within the flat file and have
>preferences stored in that file. I need to migrate the data from the flat
>file to the mySQL database so that all of the preferences are preserved.


I am guessing that by 'flat file' you mean membership data as stored in
the list object by the default OldStyleMemberships.py member adaptor.


>I have looked a little bit into .json files and importing the information in
>that manner, but I have not found a solution that works for me. 
>
>Does anyone have any advice for me on this one?


Again, assuming you have done this in the 'normal' way and have
implemented a replacement MemberAdaptor such as one of the
MysqlMemberships.py MemberAdaptors from
<http://www.orenet.co.uk/opensource/> or
<http://trac.rezo.net/trac/rezo/browser/Mailman>, I suggest you create
a withlist script similar to the following outline.

------------------------------------------------------------
from Mailman import mm_cfg
from Mailman import OldStyleMemberships as OSM

def move_members(mlist):
    if not mlist.Locked():
        mlist.Lock()
    for member in OSM.getMembers(mlist):
        if mlist.isMember(member):
            continue
        cpmember = OSM.getMemberCPAddress(mlist, member)
        digest = OSM.getMemberOption(mlist, member, mm_cfg.Digests)
        password = OSM.getMemberPassword(mlist, member)
        language = OSM.getMemberLanguage(mlist, member)
        realname = OSM.getMemberName(mlist, member)
        mlist.addNewMember(cpmember, digest=digest, password=password,
                           language=language, realname=realname)
        mlist.setDeliveryStatus(member,
                                OSM.getDeliveryStatus(mlist, member))
        for flag in (mm_cfg.DontReceiveOwnPosts,
                     mm_cfg.AcknowledgePosts,
                     mm_cfg.DisableMime,
                     mm_cfg.ConcealSubscription,
                     mm_cfg.SuppressPasswordReminder,
                     mm_cfg.ReceiveNonmatchingTopics,
                     mm_cfg.Moderate,
                     mm_cfg.DontReceiveDuplicates,
                    ):
            mlist.setMemberOption(member, flag,
                            OSM.getMemberOption(mlist, member, flag))
        mlist.setMemberTopics(member,
                              OSM.getMemberTopics(mlist, member))
        OSM.removeMember(mlist, member)
        mlist.Save()
        mlist.Unlock()
------------------------------------------------------------

The above intentionally does not move bounce_info, but could if desired.

The OSM.removeMember(mlist, member) is optional and assumes that none
of this data is used. If you don't do it, the list's config.pck will
still retain all this information which unnecessarily increases its
size an potentially causes confusion

The script isn't too robust. Probably at a minimum, everything from for
member ... through mlist.Save() should be in a try: finally: with the
mlist.Unlock() in the finally:.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jul  7 03:55:43 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 18:55:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman MySQL backend migration question
In-Reply-To: <PC19520110706184306084370c0e911@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <PC19520110706185543043770c0e7a0@MSAPIRO>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
>from Mailman import mm_cfg
>from Mailman import OldStyleMemberships as OSM
>
>def move_members(mlist):
>    if not mlist.Locked():
>        mlist.Lock()
>    for member in OSM.getMembers(mlist):
>        if mlist.isMember(member):
>            continue
>        cpmember = OSM.getMemberCPAddress(mlist, member)
>        digest = OSM.getMemberOption(mlist, member, mm_cfg.Digests)
>        password = OSM.getMemberPassword(mlist, member)
>        language = OSM.getMemberLanguage(mlist, member)
>        realname = OSM.getMemberName(mlist, member)
>        mlist.addNewMember(cpmember, digest=digest, password=password,
>                           language=language, realname=realname)
>        mlist.setDeliveryStatus(member,
>                                OSM.getDeliveryStatus(mlist, member))
>        for flag in (mm_cfg.DontReceiveOwnPosts,
>                     mm_cfg.AcknowledgePosts,
>                     mm_cfg.DisableMime,
>                     mm_cfg.ConcealSubscription,
>                     mm_cfg.SuppressPasswordReminder,
>                     mm_cfg.ReceiveNonmatchingTopics,
>                     mm_cfg.Moderate,
>                     mm_cfg.DontReceiveDuplicates,
>                    ):
>            mlist.setMemberOption(member, flag,
>                            OSM.getMemberOption(mlist, member, flag))
>        mlist.setMemberTopics(member,
>                              OSM.getMemberTopics(mlist, member))
>        OSM.removeMember(mlist, member)
>        mlist.Save()
>        mlist.Unlock()
>------------------------------------------------------------


I forgot to note that the above was untested and without warranty. In
particular, the last two lines

        mlist.Save()
        mlist.Unlock()

should only be indented 4 spaces, not 8 as in

    mlist.Save()
    mlist.Unlock()

That change will at least give it a chance of processing more than one
old member before dying.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From khamilton at umem.org  Thu Jul  7 04:13:35 2011
From: khamilton at umem.org (kphamilton)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 19:13:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman MySQL backend migration question
In-Reply-To: <PC19520110706185543043770c0e7a0@MSAPIRO>
References: <32000121.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<PC19520110706184306084370c0e911@MSAPIRO>
	<PC19520110706185543043770c0e7a0@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <32009929.post@talk.nabble.com>


I have actually accomplished this! Woohoo! I did upgrade as you said to
MysqlMemberships.py. 

I accomplished the rest in a different manner than you suggested, so I will
share if others attempt this.

I used export in the /bin folder to export all list data in xml format. 

I then wrote a python script that parsed through the xml file for each list
and added appropriate members to the appropriate MySQL table. This proved to
be fairly tricky as some of the attributes in the tables are not actually
what are used to store the information (mostly dealing with the
preferences). 

While there are fields in the tables for preferences like nomail, ack,
plain, etc, these are unused fields. The field that controls most of the
preferences is user_options. Thanks to a few tutorials (I am at home now so
I do not have any URLs from work), I was able to decipher the values
required to save preferences. 

Although I used a different strategy, I thank you Mark Sapiro for your
attempted help. You actually did help me on this project because you were
the poster in a lot of the tutorials I referenced throughout the process. 

Thanks again!
-Kevin





Mark Sapiro-3 wrote:
> 
> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>from Mailman import mm_cfg
>>from Mailman import OldStyleMemberships as OSM
>>
>>def move_members(mlist):
>>    if not mlist.Locked():
>>        mlist.Lock()
>>    for member in OSM.getMembers(mlist):
>>        if mlist.isMember(member):
>>            continue
>>        cpmember = OSM.getMemberCPAddress(mlist, member)
>>        digest = OSM.getMemberOption(mlist, member, mm_cfg.Digests)
>>        password = OSM.getMemberPassword(mlist, member)
>>        language = OSM.getMemberLanguage(mlist, member)
>>        realname = OSM.getMemberName(mlist, member)
>>        mlist.addNewMember(cpmember, digest=digest, password=password,
>>                           language=language, realname=realname)
>>        mlist.setDeliveryStatus(member,
>>                                OSM.getDeliveryStatus(mlist, member))
>>        for flag in (mm_cfg.DontReceiveOwnPosts,
>>                     mm_cfg.AcknowledgePosts,
>>                     mm_cfg.DisableMime,
>>                     mm_cfg.ConcealSubscription,
>>                     mm_cfg.SuppressPasswordReminder,
>>                     mm_cfg.ReceiveNonmatchingTopics,
>>                     mm_cfg.Moderate,
>>                     mm_cfg.DontReceiveDuplicates,
>>                    ):
>>            mlist.setMemberOption(member, flag,
>>                            OSM.getMemberOption(mlist, member, flag))
>>        mlist.setMemberTopics(member,
>>                              OSM.getMemberTopics(mlist, member))
>>        OSM.removeMember(mlist, member)
>>        mlist.Save()
>>        mlist.Unlock()
>>------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> I forgot to note that the above was untested and without warranty. In
> particular, the last two lines
> 
>         mlist.Save()
>         mlist.Unlock()
> 
> should only be indented 4 spaces, not 8 as in
> 
>     mlist.Save()
>     mlist.Unlock()
> 
> That change will at least give it a chance of processing more than one
> old member before dying.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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From egon at frerich.eu  Wed Jul  6 20:37:35 2011
From: egon at frerich.eu (Egon Frerich)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:37:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mails to lists are passed erroneously to cyrus
Message-ID: <4E14AB6F.3040109@frerich.eu>


My Postfix is on an host without a real Internet hostname. So the domain
name in my main.cf is a fake:

myhostname = Cup.freu.ih
mydestination = Cup, $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain, localhost

Mailman-lists are managed with a real domain name. In main.cf I say:

virtual_alias_domains = schwach.de
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1
transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport

I put 'virtual-mailman' into alias_maps too:

alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman, hash:/etc/aliases

transport contains:

schwach.de mailman:

In master.cf there is an entry:

mailman   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
  flags=FR user=list argv=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/postfix-to-mailman.py
  ${nexthop} ${user}

The list is called 'v'.

If I send a mail to v at schwach.de via my local email account mailman
delivers the mail to the list members.

But if I send this mail via an external email account then the mail is
handled by cyrus and I get this message:

verify_user(user.fetchmail) failed: Mailbox does not exist

Why is the email handled by cyrus?

Thanks for any help.

Egon Frerich


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From listown at nanniandjack.com  Wed Jul  6 19:53:01 2011
From: listown at nanniandjack.com (Jack G F Hill)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:53:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly mailing of password hints
Message-ID: <4E14A0FD.9010008@nanniandjack.com>

We encountered a situation that felt like an error, but probably is not...

User is set to NoMail while he moves from one place (and one ISP) to 
another... no current (working) email address...

The system continues to try sending password reminders, which bounce and 
cause the hosting owner to be concerned about mail errors...

Ought mailman (2.1.14) continue sending out password reminders to a 
"NoMail" subscriber?

Is there a setting I can get to to stop the reminders until he returns? 
I couldn't find it if such a switch exists for list admins...
--
Jack Hill, W4KH - BoatAnchors Listowner/Archiver
listown at nanniandjack.com
"Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose"
"Il n'y a que les idiots qui ne changent jamais d'idee"

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jul  7 08:11:46 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 23:11:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mails to lists are passed erroneously to cyrus
In-Reply-To: <4E14AB6F.3040109@frerich.eu>
References: <4E14AB6F.3040109@frerich.eu>
Message-ID: <4E154E22.6070709@msapiro.net>

On 7/6/2011 11:37 AM, Egon Frerich wrote:
> 
> If I send a mail to v at schwach.de via my local email account mailman
> delivers the mail to the list members.
> 
> But if I send this mail via an external email account then the mail is
> handled by cyrus and I get this message:
> 
> verify_user(user.fetchmail) failed: Mailbox does not exist
> 
> Why is the email handled by cyrus?


Presumably because the MX for the schwach.de domain in DNS is
mail.schwach.de whose IP address is 87.230.26.25 and this is not the IP
address of your Postfix/Mailman machine.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jul  7 08:15:34 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 23:15:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly mailing of password hints
In-Reply-To: <4E14A0FD.9010008@nanniandjack.com>
References: <4E14A0FD.9010008@nanniandjack.com>
Message-ID: <4E154F06.3000107@msapiro.net>

On 7/6/2011 10:53 AM, Jack G F Hill wrote:
> We encountered a situation that felt like an error, but probably is not...
> 
> User is set to NoMail while he moves from one place (and one ISP) to
> another... no current (working) email address...
> 
> The system continues to try sending password reminders, which bounce and
> cause the hosting owner to be concerned about mail errors...
> 
> Ought mailman (2.1.14) continue sending out password reminders to a
> "NoMail" subscriber?


Yes. "NoMail" only controls delivery of list messages/digests, not
password reminders.


> Is there a setting I can get to to stop the reminders until he returns?
> I couldn't find it if such a switch exists for list admins...


In the Membership Management... -> Membership List pages, click this
members email address which will take you to the user's options page
where you can change the "Get password reminder email for this list?"
setting to No.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From egon at frerich.eu  Thu Jul  7 09:39:10 2011
From: egon at frerich.eu (Egon Frerich)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 09:39:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mails to lists are passed erroneously to cyrus
In-Reply-To: <4E154E22.6070709@msapiro.net>
References: <4E14AB6F.3040109@frerich.eu> <4E154E22.6070709@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <4E15629E.4080005@frerich.eu>

Am 07.07.2011 08:11, schrieb Mark Sapiro:
> On 7/6/2011 11:37 AM, Egon Frerich wrote:
>>
>> If I send a mail to v at schwach.de via my local email account mailman
>> delivers the mail to the list members.
>>
>> But if I send this mail via an external email account then the mail is
>> handled by cyrus and I get this message:
>>
>> verify_user(user.fetchmail) failed: Mailbox does not exist
>>
>> Why is the email handled by cyrus?
> 
> 
> Presumably because the MX for the schwach.de domain in DNS is
> mail.schwach.de whose IP address is 87.230.26.25 and this is not the IP
> address of your Postfix/Mailman machine.
> 

Thank you. But can you explain the matter a little more.

schwach.de is hosted by an ISP. The ISP collects the mails with its mail
server. My machine fetches the mails via POP3. So my machine gets the
mails. Postfix should control that mails from the domain schwach.de are
passed to mailman, from other domains are passed to cyrus. Is not this
controlle by the file /etc/postfix/transport ?

Egon Frerich


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From glen at prideaux.id.au  Thu Jul  7 15:55:24 2011
From: glen at prideaux.id.au (Glen Prideaux)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 21:55:24 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mails to lists are passed erroneously to cyrus
In-Reply-To: <mailman.46.1310032802.26068.mailman-users@python.org>
References: <mailman.46.1310032802.26068.mailman-users@python.org>
Message-ID: <2D1CB832-8173-4033-8C4E-39B70B4659BF@prideaux.id.au>

>> Presumably because the MX for the schwach.de domain in DNS is
>> mail.schwach.de whose IP address is 87.230.26.25 and this is not the IP
>> address of your Postfix/Mailman machine.
>> 
> 
> Thank you. But can you explain the matter a little more.
> 
> schwach.de is hosted by an ISP. The ISP collects the mails with its mail
> server. My machine fetches the mails via POP3. So my machine gets the
> mails. Postfix should control that mails from the domain schwach.de are
> passed to mailman, from other domains are passed to cyrus. Is not this
> controlle by the file /etc/postfix/transport ?
> 
> Egon Frerich

It's a bit hard to be sure from your explanation, but this is what I think is happening.

When you send mail from your machine to v at schwach.de, your machine deals with the mail correctly and it goes straight to mailman. This suggests that if the message gets to your machine it should be correctly handled.

But when you send from another machine, it works like this:
  source machine does a DNS lookup for the MX for schwach.de and finds mail.schwach.de->87.230.26.25
  source machine talks to mail.schwach.de, "I have a message for v at schwach.de"
  mail.schwach.de does not know about the list you have set up on your server so replies "Mailbox does not exist".
Thus the message never gets to your server. The error message does not come from your server, it comes from your ISP's server at mail.schwach.de.

In order to fix this, you need to arrange with your ISP for it to recognise v at mail.schwach.de as a valid address, perhaps as an alias for your regular mail account. 

It may be simpler to register an Internet domain name for your server (perhaps using a service like no-ip.com if you don't have a static IP address) and have the mail delivered directly to your server and not go through your ISP's mail host at all.

Glen

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jul  7 17:07:12 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 08:07:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mails to lists are passed erroneously to cyrus
In-Reply-To: <4E14AB6F.3040109@frerich.eu>
References: <4E14AB6F.3040109@frerich.eu>
Message-ID: <4E15CBA0.30304@msapiro.net>

My earlier reply may have been a bit hasty, and I'm not sure if Glen
Prideaux's reply has the correct reason or not (I have tried sending a
test mail, but so far, mail.schwach.de has not accepted my server's
connection.

Anyway, if Glen is correct, you not only need v at schwach.de to be
deliverable at mail.schwach.de, but also addresses like
v-bounces at schwach.de, v-confirm at schwach.de, v-request at schwach.de,
v-owner at schwach.de, etc.

In any case, there are problems with your postfix setup and I want some
information.

Egon Frerich wrote:

> My Postfix is on an host without a real Internet hostname. So the domain
> name in my main.cf is a fake:
> 
> myhostname = Cup.freu.ih
> mydestination = Cup, $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain, localhost
> 
> Mailman-lists are managed with a real domain name. In main.cf I say:
> 
> virtual_alias_domains = schwach.de
> virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman


The above two lines are irrelevant.


> mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1
> transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
>
> I put 'virtual-mailman' into alias_maps too:
> 
> alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman, hash:/etc/aliases


Fortunately, this too is irrelevant because it is wrong. I would like to
know why you did this because I have seen at least two other recent
reports on this list of this being done, and if there is some
documentation that says to do it, I'd like to see it corrected.

What should be in alias_maps is hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases, but
not in your case because ...


> transport contains:
> 
> schwach.de mailman:
> 
> In master.cf there is an entry:
> 
> mailman   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
>   flags=FR user=list argv=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/postfix-to-mailman.py
>   ${nexthop} ${user}


You are using postfix-to-mailman.py to deliver all mail to the
schwach.de domain to Mailman so the alias_maps, virtual_alias_maps and
virtual_alias_domains entries for this domain are not required or used.


> The list is called 'v'.
> 
> If I send a mail to v@ via my local email account mailman
> delivers the mail to the list members.
> 
> But if I send this mail via an external email account then the mail is
> handled by cyrus and I get this message:
> 
> verify_user(user.fetchmail) failed: Mailbox does not exist
> 
> Why is the email handled by cyrus?


It looks to me, based on your followup clarification and the above that
fetchmail retrieves the mail from mail.schwach.de and delivers it, to
your local Postfix, but it first does user verification of some kind
which fails.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jul  7 18:56:18 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 09:56:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman MySQL backend migration question
In-Reply-To: <32009929.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520110707095618029628b0e6fa@MSAPIRO>

kphamilton wrote:
>
>I have actually accomplished this! Woohoo! I did upgrade as you said to
>MysqlMemberships.py. 
>
>I accomplished the rest in a different manner than you suggested, so I will
>share if others attempt this.
>
>I used export in the /bin folder to export all list data in xml format. 


But you must have somehow disabled the use of MysqlMemberships.py as
the MemberAdaptor for the running of bin/export.py or you would have
only gotten those members and settings that were already in the MySQL
database since bin/export.py uses the list's MemberAdaptor methods to
retrieve these things.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From khamilton at umem.org  Thu Jul  7 19:02:42 2011
From: khamilton at umem.org (kphamilton)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:02:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman MySQL backend migration question
In-Reply-To: <PC19520110707095618029628b0e6fa@MSAPIRO>
References: <32000121.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<PC19520110706184306084370c0e911@MSAPIRO>
	<PC19520110706185543043770c0e7a0@MSAPIRO>
	<32009929.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<PC19520110707095618029628b0e6fa@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <32014980.post@talk.nabble.com>


I used the bin/export before I added the extend.py to any of the lists and it
retrieved all of the necessary information.



Mark Sapiro-3 wrote:
> 
> kphamilton wrote:
>>
>>I have actually accomplished this! Woohoo! I did upgrade as you said to
>>MysqlMemberships.py. 
>>
>>I accomplished the rest in a different manner than you suggested, so I
will
>>share if others attempt this.
>>
>>I used export in the /bin folder to export all list data in xml format. 
> 
> 
> But you must have somehow disabled the use of MysqlMemberships.py as
> the MemberAdaptor for the running of bin/export.py or you would have
> only gotten those members and settings that were already in the MySQL
> database since bin/export.py uses the list's MemberAdaptor methods to
> retrieve these things.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
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From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Thu Jul  7 19:44:52 2011
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:44:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds error
In-Reply-To: <PC19520110706172807057839219849@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC19520110706172807057839219849@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4E15F094.8060204@bellsouth.net>

Thanks for the reply. I ran the test message and what I got back was
nothing like what you suggested. It was simply the message, in tact, as
if it was a simple relay. There was nothing in the bounce log either.
Obviously there is still something wrong but where do I go from here?

On 7/6/2011 8:28 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Dennis Putnam wrote:
>> Thanks for the reply, however I'm a little confused by it. I did indeed
>> run 'config_list -o file mailman' first. Are you saying that the import
>> was already done and the '-i' command is unnecessary?
>
> No. I'm saying that when you ran 'bin/config_list -i file dapmm' all
> the settings in 'file' were successfully applied except for the one
>
> real_name = ' Mailman'
>
> setting which you didn't want anyway.
>
>
>> There is nothing
>> in the Wiki article that indicated that your suggested edit is necessary.
>
> I'll update the wiki as soon as the licensing innue that prevents me
> from doing so at the moment is resolved.
>
>
>> In any case I've sent the password reminder messages and they were all
>> processed by Postfix as before. I guess now I have to see if anything
>> comes back although I know already that the message to my own address
>> should have arrived by now. I did verify that 'dapmm-bounces' was the
>> 'From:' address on the outgoing messages.
>
> Did you verify the the outgoing MTA relayed the message(s)?
>
>
>> Will I screw anything up if I send a test message to 'dapmm-bounces' and
>> what should I expect as result?
>
> No. Assuming Bounce processing ->
> bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner is Yes, an ordinary email test
> message to dapmm-bounces that doesn't look like a DSN should be
> forwarded to the owner address(es) of the dapmm list. In any case,
> there should be a message like
>
> Jul 05 10:46:31 2011 (23530) dapmm: bounce message w/no discernable
> addresses: <message-id>
>
> and if forwarding, one like
>
> Jul 05 10:46:31 2011 (23530) dapmm: forwarding unrecognized,
> message-id: <message-id>
> 	
> in Mailman's bounce log.
>


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From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jul  7 19:51:58 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:51:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman MySQL backend migration question
In-Reply-To: <32014980.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952011070710515803431e8c2f51@MSAPIRO>

kphamilton wrote:
>
>I used the bin/export before I added the extend.py to any of the lists and it
>retrieved all of the necessary information.


OK. That makes sense.


BTW, just for curiousity, I actually tried a partial test on the
withlist suggestion I posted, and I found problems. In case anyone
finds this in the archives and wants to try it, here's a script that
will be a little closer to working.

------------------------------------------------------------
from Mailman import mm_cfg
from Mailman.OldStyleMemberships import OldStyleMemberships

def move_members(mlist):
    OSM = OldStyleMemberships(mlist)
    if not mlist.Locked():
        mlist.Lock()
    for member in OSM.getMembers():
        if mlist.isMember(member):
            continue
        cpmember = OSM.getMemberCPAddress(member)
        digest = OSM.getMemberOption(member, mm_cfg.Digests)
        password = OSM.getMemberPassword(member)
        language = OSM.getMemberLanguage(member)
        realname = OSM.getMemberName(member)
        mlist.addNewMember(cpmember, digest=digest, password=password,
                           language=language, realname=realname)
        mlist.setDeliveryStatus(member,
                                OSM.getDeliveryStatus(member))
        for flag in (mm_cfg.DontReceiveOwnPosts,
                     mm_cfg.AcknowledgePosts,
                     mm_cfg.DisableMime,
                     mm_cfg.ConcealSubscription,
                     mm_cfg.SuppressPasswordReminder,
                     mm_cfg.ReceiveNonmatchingTopics,
                     mm_cfg.Moderate,
                     mm_cfg.DontReceiveDuplicates,
                    ):
            mlist.setMemberOption(member, flag,
                            OSM.getMemberOption(member, flag))
        mlist.setMemberTopics(member,
                              OSM.getMemberTopics(member))
        OSM.removeMember(member)
    mlist.Save()
    mlist.Unlock()
------------------------------------------------------------

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jul  7 20:31:37 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 11:31:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds error
In-Reply-To: <4E15F094.8060204@bellsouth.net>
References: <PC19520110706172807057839219849@MSAPIRO>
	<4E15F094.8060204@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4E15FB89.1000602@msapiro.net>

On 7/7/2011 10:44 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> Thanks for the reply. I ran the test message and what I got back was
> nothing like what you suggested. It was simply the message, in tact, as
> if it was a simple relay. There was nothing in the bounce log either.
> Obviously there is still something wrong but where do I go from here?


It's probably OK. I forgot that site list bounces are handled
differently. The message, whether an actual DSN or not is simply relayed
to the owner of the site list with envelope from and Errors-To: and
maybe Sender: headers containing the sitelist-loop address.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From listown at nanniandjack.com  Thu Jul  7 22:15:55 2011
From: listown at nanniandjack.com (Jack G F Hill)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:15:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly mailing of password hints
In-Reply-To: <4E154F06.3000107@msapiro.net>
References: <4E14A0FD.9010008@nanniandjack.com> <4E154F06.3000107@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <4E1613FB.2050603@nanniandjack.com>

Thanks Mark...

It was the path to individual member pages for changing settings that I 
somehow missed...
--
Jack Hill, W4KH - BoatAnchors Listowner/Archiver
listown at nanniandjack.com
"Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose"
"Il n'y a que les idiots qui ne changent jamais d'idee"

On 07/07/2011 02:15 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 7/6/2011 10:53 AM, Jack G F Hill wrote:
>    
>> Is there a setting I can get to to stop the reminders until he returns?
>> I couldn't find it if such a switch exists for list admins...
>>      
>
> In the Membership Management... ->  Membership List pages, click this
> members email address which will take you to the user's options page
> where you can change the "Get password reminder email for this list?"
> setting to No.
>    

From ken at sunward.org  Sun Jul 10 02:45:57 2011
From: ken at sunward.org (Ken Winter)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 20:45:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rerouting "announce" replies to "talk" automatically
Message-ID: <0192F8DB3DDF4879BF4858DAE36DBD3F@KenIBM>

I'm trying to set up "announce" and "talk" lists for a neighborhood group.
Let's say the addresses of these are announce at my.group and talk at my.group.
As usual, "announce" is to be a one-way, no-reply list.  I want replies
addressed to "announce" to be automatically rerouted to "talk".

 

Following the advice at
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030685, I have set these
under the announce at my.group General Options:

 

1.      "first_strip_reply_to": Yes

2.      "reply_goes_to_list": Explicit address

3.      "reply_to_address": talk at my.group

4.      "include_list_post_header": No

Everything works fine, except when the recipient of an announce message hits
reply-to-all.  Then the "To:" line of the mail client is populated as
talk at my.group; announce at my.group.  So the reply goes back to the "announce"
list as well as to "talk".  Is there any way to set up the "announce" list
so that reply-to-all does not include announce at my.group, or is that purely
controlled by the mail client?  (List members are not techies, and I have no
control over the type and settings of the email clients they use.)

 

If I can't stop the reply-to-all from going back to "announce", is there any
way to set up "announce" so it recognizes these replies and automatically
discards them?  (It will not work to just reject emails from list members,
since all of them are authorized to send messages to the list.)

 

~ Thanks in advance

~ Ken

 

 


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jul 10 03:35:21 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 18:35:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rerouting "announce" replies to "talk"
	automatically
In-Reply-To: <0192F8DB3DDF4879BF4858DAE36DBD3F@KenIBM>
Message-ID: <PC195201107091835210515d11b67d8@MSAPIRO>

Ken Winter wrote:
>
>1.      "first_strip_reply_to": Yes
>
>2.      "reply_goes_to_list": Explicit address
>
>3.      "reply_to_address": talk at my.group
>
>4.      "include_list_post_header": No
>
>Everything works fine, except when the recipient of an announce message hits
>reply-to-all.  Then the "To:" line of the mail client is populated as
>talk at my.group; announce at my.group.  So the reply goes back to the "announce"
>list as well as to "talk".  Is there any way to set up the "announce" list
>so that reply-to-all does not include announce at my.group, or is that purely
>controlled by the mail client?  (List members are not techies, and I have no
>control over the type and settings of the email clients they use.)


Your settings are pretty much the best you can do. The explicit
Reply-To: will override the From: as the reply address, but reply-all
will generally include the To: which is the announce list, and may
even, depending on the mail client, include the From:


>If I can't stop the reply-to-all from going back to "announce", is there any
>way to set up "announce" so it recognizes these replies and automatically
>discards them?  (It will not work to just reject emails from list members,
>since all of them are authorized to send messages to the list.)


Yes. On the announce list, set up a Privacy options... -> Spam filters
-> header_filter_rules rule with an action of Discard and the
following regexp

^(To:|Cc:).*[ <]talk at my\.group([, >]|$)

This will match any To: or Cc: header containing the talk at my.group
address and will thus discard any post received by the announce list
that was also addressed to the talk list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ken at sunward.org  Sun Jul 10 05:34:27 2011
From: ken at sunward.org (Ken Winter)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 23:34:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rerouting "announce" replies to "talk"
	automatically
In-Reply-To: <PC195201107091835210515d11b67d8@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <CEE61E62587948BA9EEE396A0D1A639C@KenIBM>

Thank you, Mark!! ~

It worked!  

I set up your spam rule, set it to "Reject" matching messages, then tried to
reply-to-all to an "announce" message.  I've never been so happy to receive
a response saying "Message rejected by filter rule match"!  And my reply was
delivered to the "talk" list with no problem.

Then I set the anti-spam action to "Discard".  Now Mailman smoothly reroutes
the reply-to-all to "talk" and silently discards the one addressed to
"announce", exactly as desired.

One more nice thing:  "Announce" is a moderated list (for messages from all
members).  But the spam-filter trick doesn't even bother the moderator with
a "post requires approval" when the post is an unwanted reply.  Perfect.

~ Thanks again
~ Ken


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net]
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:35 PM
> To: ken at sunward.org; Mailman Users List
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Rerouting "announce" replies to "talk"
> automatically
> 
> Ken Winter wrote:
> >
> >1.      "first_strip_reply_to": Yes
> >
> >2.      "reply_goes_to_list": Explicit address
> >
> >3.      "reply_to_address": talk at my.group
> >
> >4.      "include_list_post_header": No
> >
> >Everything works fine, except when the recipient of an announce message
> hits
> >reply-to-all.  Then the "To:" line of the mail client is populated as
> >talk at my.group; announce at my.group.  So the reply goes back to the
> "announce"
> >list as well as to "talk".  Is there any way to set up the "announce"
> list
> >so that reply-to-all does not include announce at my.group, or is that
> purely
> >controlled by the mail client?  (List members are not techies, and I have
> no
> >control over the type and settings of the email clients they use.)
> 
> 
> Your settings are pretty much the best you can do. The explicit
> Reply-To: will override the From: as the reply address, but reply-all
> will generally include the To: which is the announce list, and may
> even, depending on the mail client, include the From:
> 
> 
> >If I can't stop the reply-to-all from going back to "announce", is there
> any
> >way to set up "announce" so it recognizes these replies and automatically
> >discards them?  (It will not work to just reject emails from list
> members,
> >since all of them are authorized to send messages to the list.)
> 
> 
> Yes. On the announce list, set up a Privacy options... -> Spam filters
> -> header_filter_rules rule with an action of Discard and the
> following regexp
> 
> ^(To:|Cc:).*[ <]talk at my\.group([, >]|$)
> 
> This will match any To: or Cc: header containing the talk at my.group
> address and will thus discard any post received by the announce list
> that was also addressed to the talk list.
> 
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From ken at sunward.org  Sun Jul 10 22:36:44 2011
From: ken at sunward.org (Ken Winter)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 16:36:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator forwarding from "announce" list to "talk"
	list
Message-ID: <A597624010914AA9A5160B7FC72FA3D4@KenIBM>

Here's a second question about how to set up "announce" and "talk" lists for
a neighborhood group.  (For the first question and answer, see
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg59493.html.)  Let's
say the addresses of these are announce at my.group and talk at my.group.  

 

The "announce" list is moderated.  Frequently, the moderator's reason for
rejecting a post is that it is an expression of opinions rather than factual
information, and as such is appropriate to the "talk" list rather than the
"announce" list.  So the goal here is to enable the moderator to reroute the
message from "announce" to "talk".  Many of my users - and those who send
the most inappropriate posts - are not technically savvy and not easily
educated, and I have no control over their email clients or how they are
configured, so a scheme that minimizes the demands on them is essential
here.

 

Here is the only way I have found to forward messages within Mailman: On the
"Posting Held for Approval" form, enter:

 

*	Action:  Reject
*	Additionally, forward this message to:  talk at my.group (check the
check-box)
*	If you reject this post, please explain (optional):  <A custom
message telling the sender where her post has been forwarded>

 

This method presents these problems:

 

1.	The "From:" address of the forwarded message, when it arrives at
talk at my.group, is announce-bounces at my.group, rather than the original
sender.  So replies to the "talk" message will go back to
announce-bounces at my.group (which sends a useless "Uncaught bounce
notification" message back to the moderator), whereas the need to go back to
the sender.  So the question here is: How to set the "From:" (or
"Reply-To:") address of the forwarded message to the address of the original
sender?
2.	When the forwarded message shows up in a "talk" member's mailbox,
its Subject: line is always "Forward of moderated message".  Every word of
that headline is going to be meaningless to my non-techy users!  The need
here is to put the original sender's original headline in the "Subject:"
line of the forwarded message.
3.	In Outlook (2002), the body shows up as an attachment; either the
header or the footer shows up as the message body.  My non-techy users have
barely mastered opening attachments, even when the body of the message
refers to them; they're never going to find the body if it's hidden in an
attachment.  Gmail presents the message OK.  These are the only two clients
I've tried.
4.	If the first three problems can't be solved, a fallback possibility
would be just to reject the message from announce, and put into the
rejection message the suggestion that the user resend the message to
talk at my.group.  This would work much better for my non-tech users if their
original message were attached to the rejection message, so they could just
open the attachment and forward it to the suggested address.  This would at
least spare them from having to search in their "sent items" folder for the
message to resend.

 

In short:  The requirement here is to get inappropriate messages to
"announce" forwarded to "talk" in such a way that the original sender's
address and subject line appear in the "From:" and "Subject:" fields,
respectively - and to do this in a way that minimizes the skills required of
my user community.

 

~ Thanks in advance

~ Ken


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Jul 11 00:02:32 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:02:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator forwarding from "announce" list to
	"talk"list
In-Reply-To: <A597624010914AA9A5160B7FC72FA3D4@KenIBM>
Message-ID: <PC1952011071015023203906442f466@MSAPIRO>

Ken Winter wrote:
>
>In short:  The requirement here is to get inappropriate messages to
>"announce" forwarded to "talk" in such a way that the original sender's
>address and subject line appear in the "From:" and "Subject:" fields,
>respectively - and to do this in a way that minimizes the skills required of
>my user community.


This is anywhere from trivial (albeit a bit cumbersome) to nearly
impossible depending on your MUA (mail client).

The forwarding process actually wraps the original message as a
message/rfc822 body of the forwarded message. Another way of looking
at this is it attaches the original message to an empty message to the
recipient.

If you forward the held message to yourself, some MUAs will allow you
to open the original message, edit the To: header from 'announce' to
'talk' and resend the edited original to the talk list. Other MUAs may
allow saving the message to a file which can the be edited down to the
original message with the To: header changed and then resent to the
talk list.

Another way to get the original message is from the notice to the admin
of the held message if admin_immed_notify is Yes.

Assuming you don't have shell access to the Mailman server, all of this
depends on your having some way to resend (some MUAs call it 'bounce')
a message. Without that, there is no way short of modifying Mailman
source code to forward a held message in the way you would want.

If you do have shell access to the Mailman server you could use a
combination of sed and mailman's command line tools in a shell script
to do get the held message, edit it, post it to the talk list and
discard the original.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz  Mon Jul 11 09:33:31 2011
From: Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz (Steven Jones)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:33:31 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a Command to extract the lists owners?
Message-ID: <833D8E48405E064EBC54C84EC6B36E402F0C9EF4@STAWINCOX10MBX1.staff.vuw.ac.nz>

I need to email each list owner to let them know the server will be off line while I upgrade it, so I need their email addresses.

regards

From odhiambo at gmail.com  Mon Jul 11 11:15:29 2011
From: odhiambo at gmail.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:15:29 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a Command to extract the lists owners?
In-Reply-To: <833D8E48405E064EBC54C84EC6B36E402F0C9EF4@STAWINCOX10MBX1.staff.vuw.ac.nz>
References: <833D8E48405E064EBC54C84EC6B36E402F0C9EF4@STAWINCOX10MBX1.staff.vuw.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <CAAdA2WPFE=E0XuXGL46imuf1uuxqbikNC7F61MUtBYm5vfVB9A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:33, Steven Jones <Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz> wrote:

> I need to email each list owner to let them know the server will be off
> line while I upgrade it, so I need their email addresses.
>

A poor man's way: You just need to know the listname and append -owner to
it, like mailman-users-owner.

./bin/list_lists | grep -v '^[0-9]' | awk '{print $1"-owner@$domain"}'

Replace $domain with a sane value. If there are several different domains on
this site, then wait for someone else to advise:)

-- 
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254733744121/+254722743223
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
Please consider the environment before printing this email.

From s.watkins at nhm.ac.uk  Mon Jul 11 11:27:46 2011
From: s.watkins at nhm.ac.uk (Steff Watkins)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:27:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a Command to extract the lists owners?
In-Reply-To: <833D8E48405E064EBC54C84EC6B36E402F0C9EF4@STAWINCOX10MBX1.staff.vuw.ac.nz>
References: <833D8E48405E064EBC54C84EC6B36E402F0C9EF4@STAWINCOX10MBX1.staff.vuw.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <8A17F10FEBA5C841956578C5AD9027D301AF38C9@HOMER.nhm.ac.uk>

> I need to email each list owner to let them know the server 
> will be off line while I upgrade it, so I need their email addresses.
> 
> regards

Hi,

 bin/list_owners will give you a list of the email addresses of all your
lists owners, one email addres at a time. If you add the -m option, you
also get all the moderators email addresses also.

Simples! :)

Steff

-----

From odhiambo at gmail.com  Mon Jul 11 11:36:41 2011
From: odhiambo at gmail.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:41 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a Command to extract the lists owners?
In-Reply-To: <8A17F10FEBA5C841956578C5AD9027D301AF38C9@HOMER.nhm.ac.uk>
References: <833D8E48405E064EBC54C84EC6B36E402F0C9EF4@STAWINCOX10MBX1.staff.vuw.ac.nz>
	<8A17F10FEBA5C841956578C5AD9027D301AF38C9@HOMER.nhm.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <CAAdA2WOfDJ6n8fzdL4tBLvp-1_oqdYJ9y_oVmOM4HWc-sLaMFg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:27, Steff Watkins <s.watkins at nhm.ac.uk> wrote:

> > I need to email each list owner to let them know the server
> > will be off line while I upgrade it, so I need their email addresses.
> >
> > regards
>
> Hi,
>
>  bin/list_owners will give you a list of the email addresses of all your
> lists owners, one email addres at a time. If you add the -m option, you
> also get all the moderators email addresses also.
>
> Simples! :)
>
> Steff
>
>
Perhaps it would be nice if this command also listed the listname against
the owners?



-- 
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254733744121/+254722743223
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
Please consider the environment before printing this email.

From s.watkins at nhm.ac.uk  Mon Jul 11 12:00:44 2011
From: s.watkins at nhm.ac.uk (Steff Watkins)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:00:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a Command to extract the lists owners?
In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WOfDJ6n8fzdL4tBLvp-1_oqdYJ9y_oVmOM4HWc-sLaMFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <833D8E48405E064EBC54C84EC6B36E402F0C9EF4@STAWINCOX10MBX1.staff.vuw.ac.nz>
	<8A17F10FEBA5C841956578C5AD9027D301AF38C9@HOMER.nhm.ac.uk>
	<CAAdA2WOfDJ6n8fzdL4tBLvp-1_oqdYJ9y_oVmOM4HWc-sLaMFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8A17F10FEBA5C841956578C5AD9027D301BAF67D@HOMER.nhm.ac.uk>

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Odhiambo Washington [mailto:odhiambo at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:37 AM
> To: Steff Watkins
> Cc: Mailman Users List
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a Command to extract 
> the lists owners?
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:27, Steff Watkins 
> <s.watkins at nhm.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> 	> I need to email each list owner to let them know the server
> 	> will be off line while I upgrade it, so I need their 
> email addresses.
> 	>
> 	> regards
> 	
 
> Perhaps it would be nice if this command also listed the 
> listname against the owners? 

It does. Use the -w option.

This stuff is really easy to find out about. Just trying running the
command with an option of '--help' . If the command doesn't recognise
the option it will usually complain and stop working so no damage done
there. However if the command (and I'm talking generally about unixy
sort of commands, not just Mailman in particular).. If the command does
recognise the '--help' option it wil... give you help!

The '-h' option is usually good for this as well. If you're really
tetchy about supplying unknown options to random binaries then do the
operation as a standard or restricted user. Then you minimise the
potential for any damage you might do.

Simples! :)

Steff

-----

From bsfinkel at anl.gov  Mon Jul 11 15:59:35 2011
From: bsfinkel at anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 08:59:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a Command to extract the lists owners?
In-Reply-To: <833D8E48405E064EBC54C84EC6B36E402F0C9EF4@STAWINCOX10MBX1.staff.vuw.ac.nz>
References: <833D8E48405E064EBC54C84EC6B36E402F0C9EF4@STAWINCOX10MBX1.staff.vuw.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <4E1B01C7.3010902@anl.gov>

On 07/11/11 02:33, Steven Jones wrote:
> I need to email each list owner to let them know the server will be off line
 > while I upgrade it, so I need their email addresses.


I have a Mailman list named mailman-list-owners just for this purpose.
I have a cron that is run every two hours to keep the membership current.

mailman# cat sync_owners.exec
#!/bin/csh
# shell script to synchronize the mailman-list-owners subscribers
# When (how often) do we run this script?
# 11May09 0248PM   Barry Finkel

# Synchronize silently:
#     file is stdin       (-f -)
#     no Welcome message  (-w=no)
#     no goodby message   (-g=no)
#     no digest mode      (-d=no)
#     no admin notify     (-a=no)

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_owners | \
      /usr/lib/mailman/bin/sync_members -f - -w=no -g=no -d=no -a=no \
      mailman-list-owners
mailman#

When I see a new owner, I send him/her e-mail pointing to our internal
wiki where I have information for Mailman list owners.
-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 240, Room 5.B.8             Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994

From kwise at novell.com  Mon Jul 11 20:38:47 2011
From: kwise at novell.com (KC Wise)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:38:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different Domains on Single Mailman Server
In-Reply-To: <4E1B01C7.3010902@anl.gov>
References: <833D8E48405E064EBC54C84EC6B36E402F0C9EF4@STAWINCOX10MBX1.staff.vuw.ac.nz>
	<4E1B01C7.3010902@anl.gov>
Message-ID: <4E1AEED7020000C90006C854@novprvoes0310.provo.novell.com>

Inherited a few mailman servers.  I was wanting to know if I can combine them into a single server/instance.
My issue is that they are not subdomains they are completely different domain names for example:
something.org  
lists.somethingelse.com 
lists.different2.com
 
Just wanted to make sure that something like this will work before I proceed.  
 
Thanks for your time,
KC Wise
 
 

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jul 12 03:22:52 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:22:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different Domains on Single Mailman Server
In-Reply-To: <4E1AEED7020000C90006C854@novprvoes0310.provo.novell.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201107111822520459f259ecff@MSAPIRO>

KC Wise wrote:
>
>Inherited a few mailman servers.  I was wanting to know if I can combine
>them into a single server/instance.
>My issue is that they are not subdomains they are completely different 
>domain names for example:
>something.org
>lists.somethingelse.com
>lists.different2.com
>
>Just wanted to make sure that something like this will work before I
>proceed.


It will work with standard GNU Mailman in a single instance if all list
names are globally unique. If you have need of lists with the same
name in different domains, there are some unofficial sets of patches
available, or you can run multiple Mailman instances on the one
server, but you can expect some minor grief in getting it to work.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jul 12 03:27:20 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:27:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a Command to extract the lists owners?
In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WPFE=E0XuXGL46imuf1uuxqbikNC7F61MUtBYm5vfVB9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952011071118272007716f94d217@MSAPIRO>

Odhiambo Washington wrote:
>
>A poor man's way: You just need to know the listname and append -owner to
>it, like mailman-users-owner.
>
>./bin/list_lists | grep -v '^[0-9]' | awk '{print $1"-owner@$domain"}'


Or

./bin/list_lists --bare | awk '{print $1"-owner@$domain"}'

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jul 12 03:33:32 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:33:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a Command to extract the lists owners?
In-Reply-To: <833D8E48405E064EBC54C84EC6B36E402F0C9EF4@STAWINCOX10MBX1.staff.vuw.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <PC1952011071118333203346f94d06e@MSAPIRO>

Steven Jones wrote:

>I need to email each list owner to let them know the server will be off line while I upgrade it, so I need their email addresses.


There are two commands. bin/list_owners has already been mentioned and
there is also bin/list_admins for a somewhat different output format.
Give either command with the --help option for details.

Also see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/z4A9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rosenbaumlm at ornl.gov  Tue Jul 12 16:09:42 2011
From: rosenbaumlm at ornl.gov (Rosenbaum, Larry M.)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:09:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different Domains on Single Mailman Server
In-Reply-To: <PC195201107111822520459f259ecff@MSAPIRO>
References: <4E1AEED7020000C90006C854@novprvoes0310.provo.novell.com>
	<PC195201107111822520459f259ecff@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <B832297B56798E4FB5CCE181942E7EC6B01623CDCC@EXCHMBA.ornl.gov>

> From: mailman-users-bounces+rosenbaumlm=ornl.gov at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+rosenbaumlm=ornl.gov at python.org] On Behalf
> Of Mark Sapiro
> 
> KC Wise wrote:
> >
> >Inherited a few mailman servers.  I was wanting to know if I can combine
> >them into a single server/instance.
> >My issue is that they are not subdomains they are completely different
> >domain names for example:
> >something.org
> >lists . somethingelse . com
> >lists . different2 . com
> >
> >Just wanted to make sure that something like this will work before I
> >proceed.
> 
> 
> It will work with standard GNU Mailman in a single instance if all list
> names are globally unique. If you have need of lists with the same

Could you point me to the documentation on implementing virtual domains where the list names are globally unique?  

Thanks, Larry

From ltymowski at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 16:28:47 2011
From: ltymowski at gmail.com (Luke Tymowski)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 08:28:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to some lists works, bounces for others
Message-ID: <B4195CF6185144BE83405156685244EE@gmail.com>

Hello,

We have a number of mailing lists that are member-only. On most of the lists, users can post successfully. 

But on others, even though people attempting to post are members, or in one case the list owner, their mail is rejected.
"550 5.1.1 Recipient address rejected: User unknown"

There are no lock files for a particular list.

The only files in /var/lib/mailman/locks are master-qrunner and master-qrunner.mailman.2502
(The dates on those two files are more than 24 hours into the future - is that normal?)

The /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases shows the relevant aliases for that particular list.

Mailman version: 2.1.13
OS: Ubuntu 10.04.2 
MTA: Postfix 2.7.0



thanks,

Luke 

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jul 12 19:36:12 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:36:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different Domains on Single Mailman Server
In-Reply-To: <B832297B56798E4FB5CCE181942E7EC6B01623CDCC@EXCHMBA.ornl.gov>
Message-ID: <PC19520110712103612010978a23f39@MSAPIRO>

Rosenbaum, Larry M. wrote:
>
>Could you point me to the documentation on implementing virtual domains where the list names are globally unique?  


This involves both Mailman and the MTA. It may or may not involve the
web server depending on whether the web server's Mailman related
directives are global or per domain.

The Mailman side is relatively simple. See the section headed

#####
# Virtual domains
#####

in Defaults.py. Basically you just need an

add_virtualhost('web_host', 'email_host')

line in mm_cfg.py for each virtual host.

For the Postfix MTA see
<http://www.list.org/mailman-install/postfix-virtual.html>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jul 12 19:44:22 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:44:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to some lists works, bounces for others
In-Reply-To: <B4195CF6185144BE83405156685244EE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520110712104422064078a24156@MSAPIRO>

Luke Tymowski wrote:
>
>We have a number of mailing lists that are member-only. On most of the lists, users can post successfully. 
>
>But on others, even though people attempting to post are members, or in one case the list owner, their mail is rejected.
>"550 5.1.1 Recipient address rejected: User unknown"
>
>There are no lock files for a particular list.


Locks are not relevant to this issue as Mailman never sees the
attempted posts.


>The only files in /var/lib/mailman/locks are master-qrunner and master-qrunner.mailman.2502
>(The dates on those two files are more than 24 hours into the future - is that normal?)


Yes, the timestamps on the master-qrunner locks are in the future. That
is the time at which the lock expires.


>The /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases shows the relevant aliases for that particular list.


And has the /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db file been updated since
those aliases were added?

In fact does Postfix even use those aliases?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ltymowski at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 21:23:02 2011
From: ltymowski at gmail.com (Luke Tymowski)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:23:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to some lists works, bounces for others
In-Reply-To: <PC19520110712104422064078a24156@MSAPIRO>
References: <B4195CF6185144BE83405156685244EE@gmail.com>
	<PC19520110712104422064078a24156@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <CAASCSyZudc9wUKkqUkjS75OAr+C4OBP4afGNV52y7OdooC3okQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

> And has the /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db file been updated since
> those aliases were added?

What confused me was that these are all lists that have been around
for the last 6-7 years.

I moved the lists to a new server 2 weeks ago.
Most of the lists worked just fine.

So, yes, the aliases.db exists and was regenerated when I moved the
lists to the new server.

> In fact does Postfix even use those aliases?

Well, most of the lists worked, but some didn't.
I'd think if Postfix didn't know about those aliases, none of the
lists would work (it's the only place where the list handlers are
kept).

I fixed the issue by editing /etc/mailman/mm_cfg and changing:
MTA=none
to
MTA='Postfix'

Then running /var/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases

Mailman/Postfix were installed from apt-get.


Luke

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jul 13 01:24:07 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:24:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to some lists works, bounces for others
In-Reply-To: <CAASCSyZudc9wUKkqUkjS75OAr+C4OBP4afGNV52y7OdooC3okQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952011071216240706404cee5d87@MSAPIRO>

Luke Tymowski wrote:
>
>I fixed the issue by editing /etc/mailman/mm_cfg and changing:
>MTA=none
>to
>MTA='Postfix'
>
>Then running /var/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases
>
>Mailman/Postfix were installed from apt-get.


So there was some problem with the aliases. Either they weren't in
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases or /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db was
not properly synced with /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases, because,
assuming virtual mappings are not involved, that's the only thing that
would be affected by the things above.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From s.watkins at nhm.ac.uk  Wed Jul 13 11:38:12 2011
From: s.watkins at nhm.ac.uk (Steff Watkins)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:38:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to some lists works, bounces for others
In-Reply-To: <CAASCSyZudc9wUKkqUkjS75OAr+C4OBP4afGNV52y7OdooC3okQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B4195CF6185144BE83405156685244EE@gmail.com><PC19520110712104422064078a24156@MSAPIRO>
	<CAASCSyZudc9wUKkqUkjS75OAr+C4OBP4afGNV52y7OdooC3okQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8A17F10FEBA5C841956578C5AD9027D301BAF8C8@HOMER.nhm.ac.uk>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+s.watkins=nhm.ac.uk at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+s.watkins=nhm.ac.uk at python.org] 
> On Behalf Of Luke Tymowski
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail to some lists works, 
> bounces for others
> 
> Hello,
> ....
> What confused me was that these are all lists that have been around
> for the last 6-7 years.
> 
> I moved the lists to a new server 2 weeks ago.
> Most of the lists worked just fine.
> ....
> Mailman/Postfix were installed from apt-get.

So Mailman on the new server has been installed using apt-get.

Then you moved your list files/directories from the old server to the
new server?

My Sysadmin-sense[tm] is tingling. I get the feeling that either the
permissions of some of the files/directories are not correct or, and
this is a biggie when moving servers, the "ownership" of those
files/directories may no longer be correct.

Are there any warnings about access permissions showing up in the
systems logfiles?

Try running the bin/check_perms scripts to check that your files and
directories have the right permissions.

Alternatively, login to your Mailman server, change to the mailman
directory and try something like:

   ls -lR | grep -v MAILMAN-UNAME | less

replacing MAILMAN-UNAME with your Mailman username (probably 'mailman'
but not guaranteed).

Check an eye open for any files that have ended up in there that are not
owned by your mailman software.

Good luck,
Steff

-----

From pennguin at mac.com  Fri Jul 15 16:08:04 2011
From: pennguin at mac.com (Rob)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:08:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message approval by mail
Message-ID: <016FC82B-7802-4F69-ADEB-05AEC897FFCE@mac.com>

I am trying to use the option to approve moderated messages using the 'reply' feature but it doesn't seem to work for me. I add the Approved:<password> header to my reply as the first line in the body, but the message simply arrives back in my inbox unmodified, and the moderated message stays in the queue until I approve it with the web interface. Running v2.1.14

Thanks,

-Rob

An example of an outgoing 'approval' message is below:

Return-Path: <mailman-bounces at acvr.org>
Received: from murder ([unix socket])
	 by acvr.org (Cyrus v2.3.8-OS X Server 10.5:	9G7013y) with LMTPA;
	 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:03:46 -0400
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.3
Received: from xserve.petrad.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by acvr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE73783962E
	for <treasurer at acvr.org>; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:03:46 -0400 (EDT)
X-Original-To: xservetestlist-owner at acvr.org
Delivered-To: xservetestlist-owner at acvr.org
Received: from [192.168.42.17] (office.petrad.com [173.12.22.82])
	by acvr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DE7839623
	for <xservetestlist-owner at acvr.org>;
	Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:03:45 -0400 (EDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084)
Subject: Xservetestlist post from mclear at petrad.com requires approval
From: "Robert C. McLear, ACVR Treasurer" <treasurer at acvr.org>
In-Reply-To: <mailman.136.1310738529.140.xservetestlist at acvr.org>
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:03:45 -0400
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-Id: <A185C472-B229-458B-B579-A001168A12C0 at acvr.org>
References: <mailman.136.1310738529.140.xservetestlist at acvr.org>
To: xservetestlist-owner at acvr.org
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084)
Errors-To: mailman-bounces at acvr.org
Sender: mailman-bounces at acvr.org

Approved:********
On Jul 15, 2011, at 10:02 AM, xservetestlist-owner at acvr.org wrote:

> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
> following mailing list posting:
> 
>   List:    Xservetestlist at acvr.org
>   From:    mclear at petrad.com
>   Subject: test
>   Reason:  Post to moderated list
> 
> At your convenience, visit:
> 
>   http://www.acvr.org/mailman/admindb/xservetestlist
> 
> to approve or deny the request.
> 
> From: Robert McLear <mclear at petrad.com>
> Date: July 15, 2011 10:02:02 AM EDT
> To: xservetestlist at acvr.org
> Subject: test
> 
> 
> test
> 
> 
> 
> From: xservetestlist-request at acvr.org
> Date: July 15, 2011 10:02:09 AM EDT
> Subject: confirm dda15190a0e5ffa59d0894b92f7a9efface6b70b
> 
> 
> If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
> Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
> spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
> with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
> to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
> of the body of the reply.

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jul 15 18:19:52 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:19:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message approval by mail
In-Reply-To: <016FC82B-7802-4F69-ADEB-05AEC897FFCE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201107150919520281717521cd@MSAPIRO>

Rob wrote:

>I am trying to use the option to approve moderated messages using the 'reply' feature but it doesn't seem to work for me. I add the Approved:<password> header to my reply as the first line in the body, but the message simply arrives back in my inbox unmodified, and the moderated message stays in the queue until I approve it with the web interface. Running v2.1.14
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Rob
>
>An example of an outgoing 'approval' message is below:
>
>Return-Path: <mailman-bounces at acvr.org>
>Received: from murder ([unix socket])
>	 by acvr.org (Cyrus v2.3.8-OS X Server 10.5:	9G7013y) with LMTPA;
>	 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:03:46 -0400
>X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.3
>Received: from xserve.petrad.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
>	by acvr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE73783962E
>	for <treasurer at acvr.org>; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:03:46 -0400 (EDT)
>X-Original-To: xservetestlist-owner at acvr.org
>Delivered-To: xservetestlist-owner at acvr.org
>Received: from [192.168.42.17] (office.petrad.com [173.12.22.82])
>	by acvr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DE7839623
>	for <xservetestlist-owner at acvr.org>;
>	Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:03:45 -0400 (EDT)
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084)
>Subject: Xservetestlist post from mclear at petrad.com requires approval
>From: "Robert C. McLear, ACVR Treasurer" <treasurer at acvr.org>
>In-Reply-To: <mailman.136.1310738529.140.xservetestlist at acvr.org>
>Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:03:45 -0400
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Message-Id: <A185C472-B229-458B-B579-A001168A12C0 at acvr.org>
>References: <mailman.136.1310738529.140.xservetestlist at acvr.org>
>To: xservetestlist-owner at acvr.org
>X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084)
>Errors-To: mailman-bounces at acvr.org
>Sender: mailman-bounces at acvr.org
>
>Approved:********


Your problem is you are replying to the held message notice itself so
your reply is sent to xservetestlist-owner at acvr.org with Subject:
Xservetestlist post from mclear at petrad.com requires approval. That
reply is just sent back to the list owner.

The message to which you replied is a multipart message with 3 parts.
The part below is an attached message/rfc822 part.


>> From: xservetestlist-request at acvr.org
>> Date: July 15, 2011 10:02:09 AM EDT
>> Subject: confirm dda15190a0e5ffa59d0894b92f7a9efface6b70b
>> 
>> 
>> If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
>> Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
>> spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
>> with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
>> to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
>> of the body of the reply.


You need to reply to the above attached message. Depending on your MUA,
you may be able to open this as a separate message and reply to it. If
you can't do this, you have to just compose a message

To: xservetestlist-request at acvr.org

with

Subject: confirm dda15190a0e5ffa59d0894b92f7a9efface6b70b

containing the Approved: ... line to accept the post or without the
Approved: ... line to discard it.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From pennguin at mac.com  Fri Jul 15 18:28:12 2011
From: pennguin at mac.com (Rob)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:28:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message approval by mail
In-Reply-To: <PC195201107150919520281717521cd@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201107150919520281717521cd@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <BFA986C6-0A57-4774-8331-54B60A8E8B74@mac.com>

> 
> 
>>> From: xservetestlist-request at acvr.org
>>> Date: July 15, 2011 10:02:09 AM EDT
>>> Subject: confirm dda15190a0e5ffa59d0894b92f7a9efface6b70b
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
>>> Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
>>> spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
>>> with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
>>> to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
>>> of the body of the reply.
> 
> 
> You need to reply to the above attached message. Depending on your MUA,
> you may be able to open this as a separate message and reply to it. If
> you can't do this, you have to just compose a message
> 
> To: xservetestlist-request at acvr.org
> 
> with
> 
> Subject: confirm dda15190a0e5ffa59d0894b92f7a9efface6b70b
> 
> containing the Approved: ... line to accept the post or without the
> Approved: ... line to discard it.

OK, now I understand. Apple Mail just displays the entire message together, not as separate parts. 

I can't reply directly but clicking the list-email address and just copy/pasting the subject works just as well. 

Thanks!

-Rob

From pennguin at mac.com  Fri Jul 15 22:48:31 2011
From: pennguin at mac.com (Rob)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:48:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating content to a new list
Message-ID: <A0ECBB19-D16D-4FB3-87CE-A8FC90C5ADB1@mac.com>

Hi,

We have just created a new list in Mailman 2.1.14 to handle a specific set of discussions that were previously taking place on another list hosted on the same server. The membership of the new list is much broader than the old list, so many of its members have had no exposure to the recent discussions. Is there a way that I can use the archives of 'oldlist' and send out the past month's worth of discussions to 'newlist' so that the members are all up to date on the recent conversations? 

It's not feasible to just make the archives public because not all of the content is pertinent to all the members of 'newlist'.

Thanks,

-Rob

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jul 16 00:41:41 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:41:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating content to a new list
In-Reply-To: <A0ECBB19-D16D-4FB3-87CE-A8FC90C5ADB1@mac.com>
References: <A0ECBB19-D16D-4FB3-87CE-A8FC90C5ADB1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4E20C225.8050106@msapiro.net>

On 7/15/2011 1:48 PM, Rob wrote:
> 
> We have just created a new list in Mailman 2.1.14 to handle a
> specific set of discussions that were previously taking place on
> another list hosted on the same server. The membership of the new
> list is much broader than the old list, so many of its members have
> had no exposure to the recent discussions. Is there a way that I can
> use the archives of 'oldlist' and send out the past month's worth of
> discussions to 'newlist' so that the members are all up to date on
> the recent conversations?
> 
> It's not feasible to just make the archives public because not all of
> the content is pertinent to all the members of 'newlist'.


I think there are two ways to handle this. Both involve making a copy of
archives/private/oldlist.mbox/oldlist.mbox and editing it (or perhaps
opening it with mutt or similar) and deleting those messages you don't
want available on newlist. So you end up with a mailbox with only those
posts you want available to newlist.

Then, if there haven't yet been any posts to newlist, just save that
mailbox as archives/private/newlist.mbox/newlist.mbox making sure it's
group is the mailman group, and run 'bin/arch --wipe newlist' to seed
the newlist archive with the old posts. Or, if there have been posts to
newlist, combine the mailbox with
archives/private/newlist.mbox/newlist.mbox and run 'bin/arch --wipe
newlist' to add those posts to the newlist archive.

If you want the newlist members to receive the posts by email, you can
instead remail (bounce in mutt terms) the messages in the mailbox to
newlist which will send them to the members and archive them. Before
doing that, you might want to set oldlist in Privacy options... ->
Recipient filters -> acceptable_aliases of newlist so the bounced posts
won't be held.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From karitlaine at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 15 20:47:12 2011
From: karitlaine at yahoo.com (Kari Laine)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:47:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mails go missing
Message-ID: <1310755632.91728.YahooMailClassic@web120419.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi,
this is my first post to this list. I am GoDaddy customer. I am setting site at http://opensourceug.net where you can test the lists.
Problem is that when I register to a list I don't always get a confirmation mail. Sometimes I get it sometimes not. If I try to register several times it some times like wakes up and I get several at the same time.
I am at the hold to godaddy support at this time.?
Any ideas? Is is just GoDaddy ....
Best RegardsKari Laine

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jul 16 18:27:53 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:27:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mails go missing
In-Reply-To: <1310755632.91728.YahooMailClassic@web120419.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1310755632.91728.YahooMailClassic@web120419.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E21BC09.1010005@msapiro.net>

On 7/15/2011 11:47 AM, Kari Laine wrote:
> Hi, this is my first post to this list. I am GoDaddy customer. I am
> setting site at http://opensourceug.net where you can test the
> lists.


And it appears that this mailman installation may be cPanel. If so, see
the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9>.


> Problem is that when I register to a list I don't always get a
> confirmation mail. Sometimes I get it sometimes not. If I try to
> register several times it some times like wakes up and I get several
> at the same time. I am at the hold to godaddy support at this time. 
> Any ideas? Is is just GoDaddy .... Best RegardsKari Laine 


In order to even begin to diagnose this, you need access to both
Mailman's logs and the MTA's (probably exim if it is cPanel) logs on the
host server.

In addition to the above, you may find the FAQs at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9> and <http://wiki.list.org/x/4oA9> to be
relevant.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Jul 16 23:20:23 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:20:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
Message-ID: <auto-000020027723@mailfront4.g2host.com>

Hi:

Has anyone seen anything like this and what does it mean.  I run a 
server with about 150 public mailman lists on it, and just got about 
300 new subscriptions to various public lists, from the same domain 
at the same time.  It is "apot.com" and the form is firstname dot 
lastname at apot.com and the first and last names are all different 
but believable.  Is this like the zeusmail.com subscriptions a while 
back, I got a bunch, but never knew what they were about.

Dave


From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Sun Jul 17 19:21:23 2011
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 19:21:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <auto-000020027723@mailfront4.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000020027723@mailfront4.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <20110717172123.GF5720@charite.de>

* David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>:
> Hi:
> 
> Has anyone seen anything like this and what does it mean.  I run a
> server with about 150 public mailman lists on it, and just got about
> 300 new subscriptions to various public lists, from the same domain
> at the same time.  It is "apot.com" and the form is firstname dot
> lastname at apot.com and the first and last names are all different
> but believable.  Is this like the zeusmail.com subscriptions a while
> back, I got a bunch, but never knew what they were about.

Kill them all. Happened here with apotmail.com as well.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Sun Jul 17 19:22:00 2011
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 19:22:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <auto-000020027723@mailfront4.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000020027723@mailfront4.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <20110717172200.GG5720@charite.de>

* David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>:
> Hi:
> 
> Has anyone seen anything like this and what does it mean.  I run a
> server with about 150 public mailman lists on it, and just got about
> 300 new subscriptions to various public lists, from the same domain
> at the same time.  It is "apot.com" and the form is firstname dot
> lastname at apot.com and the first and last names are all different
> but believable.  Is this like the zeusmail.com subscriptions a while
> back, I got a bunch, but never knew what they were about.

>From 209.190.19.68 ?

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jul 17 19:35:57 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 10:35:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <auto-000020027723@mailfront4.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000020027723@mailfront4.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <4E231D7D.1020608@msapiro.net>

On 7/16/2011 2:20 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> 
> Has anyone seen anything like this and what does it mean.  I run a
> server with about 150 public mailman lists on it, and just got about 300
> new subscriptions to various public lists, from the same domain at the
> same time.  It is "apot.com" and the form is firstname dot lastname at
> apot.com and the first and last names are all different but believable. 
> Is this like the zeusmail.com subscriptions a while back, I got a bunch,
> but never knew what they were about.


It's answerpot <http://answerpot.com/> archiving your lists.

In my case, they sent an email to the owner of one list about a week
before with links to opt-in immediately or opt-out with the no response
default being opt-in after a week with no response. I didn't respond,
set the list's subscribe police to approve and waited.

The interesting thing is I have a few advertised lists, some active, and
the only one they targeted was effectively dormant. All the lists have
private archives.

I eventually got a couple of subscription requests from addresses
similar to what you describe at apotmail.com. I discarded the requests
and added

^.*[@.]apotmail\.com$

to the ban list of all my lists. Perhaps I'll change that to

^.*[@.]apot(mail)?\.com$

based on what you saw. Interestingly, the names answerpot.com,
apotmail.com and mail.apotmail.com all map to the same IP while apot.com
maps to a different IP which is apparently a reseller - "The domain
apot.com is for sale. To purchase, call BuyDomains.com".

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Sun Jul 17 19:38:01 2011
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 19:38:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <4E231D7D.1020608@msapiro.net>
References: <auto-000020027723@mailfront4.g2host.com>
	<4E231D7D.1020608@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <20110717173801.GC7135@charite.de>

* Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>:

> It's answerpot <http://answerpot.com/> archiving your lists.

Aha.
 
> In my case, they sent an email to the owner of one list about a week
> before with links to opt-in immediately or opt-out with the no response
> default being opt-in after a week with no response. I didn't respond,
> set the list's subscribe police to approve and waited.
> 
> The interesting thing is I have a few advertised lists, some active, and
> the only one they targeted was effectively dormant. All the lists have
> private archives.
> 
> I eventually got a couple of subscription requests from addresses
> similar to what you describe at apotmail.com. I discarded the requests
> and added
> 
> ^.*[@.]apotmail\.com$
> 
> to the ban list of all my lists. Perhaps I'll change that to
> 
> ^.*[@.]apot(mail)?\.com$
> 
> based on what you saw.

Would be cool if you could do that on mail.python.org as well!

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jul 17 20:53:39 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:53:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <20110717173801.GC7135@charite.de>
References: <auto-000020027723@mailfront4.g2host.com>	<4E231D7D.1020608@msapiro.net>
	<20110717173801.GC7135@charite.de>
Message-ID: <4E232FB3.4070107@msapiro.net>

On 7/17/2011 10:38 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> * Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>:

>> I eventually got a couple of subscription requests from addresses
>> similar to what you describe at apotmail.com. I discarded the requests
>> and added
>>
>> ^.*[@.]apotmail\.com$
>>
>> to the ban list of all my lists. Perhaps I'll change that to
>>
>> ^.*[@.]apot(mail)?\.com$
>>
>> based on what you saw.
> 
> Would be cool if you could do that on mail.python.org as well!


I think you can do it much more easily than I. I could only do it on
mail.python.org one list at a time via the web interface.

There is a script at <http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/add_banned.py> (and
mirrored at <http://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/add_banned.py>) which
can be saved in Mailman's bin/ directory and then run via

bin/withlist -a -r add_banned -- '^.*[@.]apot(mail)?\.com$'

to add that re to the ban_list of all lists.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jul 17 21:09:37 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:09:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <4E231D7D.1020608@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <PC195201107171209370718255f6b33@MSAPIRO>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>I eventually got a couple of subscription requests from addresses
>similar to what you describe at apotmail.com. I discarded the requests
>and added
>
>^.*[@.]apotmail\.com$
>
>to the ban list of all my lists.


When I wrote the amove, I hadn't seen my mmdsr report from yesterday.
Yesterday (actually, today, July 17, 04:44 -0000) I had 6 banned
subscription requests (2 each on 3 lists) from First.last at apotmail.com
addresses. This time, there was no advance email. Their getting bolder
and even less scrupulous.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Sun Jul 17 21:14:05 2011
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 21:14:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <PC195201107171209370718255f6b33@MSAPIRO>
References: <4E231D7D.1020608@msapiro.net>
	<PC195201107171209370718255f6b33@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <20110717191405.GG7135@charite.de>


> When I wrote the amove, I hadn't seen my mmdsr report from yesterday.
> Yesterday (actually, today, July 17, 04:44 -0000) I had 6 banned
> subscription requests (2 each on 3 lists) from First.last at apotmail.com
> addresses. This time, there was no advance email. Their getting bolder
> and even less scrupulous.

Yeah, same on python.org

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Sun Jul 17 21:21:06 2011
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 20:21:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <4E232FB3.4070107@msapiro.net>
References: <auto-000020027723@mailfront4.g2host.com>
	<4E231D7D.1020608@msapiro.net> <20110717173801.GC7135@charite.de>
	<4E232FB3.4070107@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <20110717192106.GU4223@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:53:39AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> bin/withlist -a -r add_banned -- '^.*[@.]apot(mail)?\.com$'

Thanks for the heads-up. 

Only hit one of the five sets of lists I maintain, but 
still killed off.

-- 
"Jim Hacker: What appalling cynicism."
"Sir Humphrey: We call it diplomacy, Minister."

From pennguin at mac.com  Sun Jul 17 21:27:27 2011
From: pennguin at mac.com (Rob)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 15:27:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating content to a new list
In-Reply-To: <4E20C225.8050106@msapiro.net>
References: <A0ECBB19-D16D-4FB3-87CE-A8FC90C5ADB1@mac.com>
	<4E20C225.8050106@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <2A10413B-4EB7-48AA-A69D-D39AEB6026D3@mac.com>

On Jul 15, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> 
> On 7/15/2011 1:48 PM, Rob wrote:
> 
> 
> I think there are two ways to handle this. Both involve making a copy of
> archives/private/oldlist.mbox/oldlist.mbox and editing it (or perhaps
> opening it with mutt or similar) and deleting those messages you don't
> want available on newlist. So you end up with a mailbox with only those
> posts you want available to newlist.
> 
> Then, if there haven't yet been any posts to newlist, just save that
> mailbox as archives/private/newlist.mbox/newlist.mbox making sure it's
> group is the mailman group, and run 'bin/arch --wipe newlist' to seed
> the newlist archive with the old posts. Or, if there have been posts to
> newlist, combine the mailbox with
> archives/private/newlist.mbox/newlist.mbox and run 'bin/arch --wipe
> newlist' to add those posts to the newlist archive.

Mark,

That worked, thanks.

-Rob

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jul 17 22:41:06 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 13:41:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <auto-000020075840@mailfront4.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201107171341060500a35be7ba@MSAPIRO>

David Andrews wrote:
>
>So, at the risk of seeming stupid, what is it that they are trying to 
>do, or doing.  Are they collecting addresses for spam, or what?  If I 
>don't ask, I won't learn.


As I said in my original reply, "It's answerpot <http://answerpot.com/>
archiving your lists."  They are subscribing to your lists in order to
collect list posts for their archive. See their web site for more info.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jul 17 23:25:26 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 14:25:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <auto-000020825557@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520110717142526006241522e98@MSAPIRO>

David Andrews wrote:
>
>Is there any reason 
>to not let them do this?


I think they are unscrupulous. I think that no one should archive any
list without an affirmative opt-in request from the list owner.
Further, my lists which answerpot has attempted to archive all have
private archives. For someone to attempt to subscribe to such a list
for the purpose of publicly archiving list posts is just plain wrong.


>My sponsoring organization is involved in a 
>lot of public education kinds of things, and want to get the word 
>out.  Is there a negative, or spam risk, or something to letting them 
>archive?


You'd have to look at their existing archives and decide for yourself.
It appears that they hide email addresses, but I don't know how
thoroughly.

The main thing for me is I consider them to be unscrupulous for not
requiring positive opt-in and for attempting to archive lists whose
archives are not public. I would not want to support their practices
and their ad revenue with my list's content, even if that content were
otherwise publicly archived..


>And ... finally, why do they need multiple subscribes to 
>the same list?


Who knows? Maybe to increase the chances that at least one of the
subscribe attempts will succeed.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jul 17 22:21:30 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 15:21:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <PC195201107171209370718255f6b33@MSAPIRO>
References: <4E231D7D.1020608@msapiro.net>
	<PC195201107171209370718255f6b33@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <auto-000020075840@mailfront4.g2host.com>

At 02:09 PM 7/17/2011, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>Mark Sapiro wrote:
> >
> >I eventually got a couple of subscription requests from addresses
> >similar to what you describe at apotmail.com. I discarded the requests
> >and added
> >
> >^.*[@.]apotmail\.com$
> >
> >to the ban list of all my lists.
>
>
>When I wrote the amove, I hadn't seen my mmdsr report from yesterday.
>Yesterday (actually, today, July 17, 04:44 -0000) I had 6 banned
>subscription requests (2 each on 3 lists) from First.last at apotmail.com
>addresses. This time, there was no advance email. Their getting bolder
>and even less scrupulous.


So, at the risk of seeming stupid, what is it that they are trying to 
do, or doing.  Are they collecting addresses for spam, or what?  If I 
don't ask, I won't learn.

Dave



>--
>Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
>San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jul 17 23:02:59 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 16:02:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <PC195201107171341060500a35be7ba@MSAPIRO>
References: <auto-000020075840@mailfront4.g2host.com>
	<PC195201107171341060500a35be7ba@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <auto-000020825557@mailfront3.g2host.com>

At 03:41 PM 7/17/2011, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>David Andrews wrote:
> >
> >So, at the risk of seeming stupid, what is it that they are trying to
> >do, or doing.  Are they collecting addresses for spam, or what?  If I
> >don't ask, I won't learn.
>
>
>As I said in my original reply, "It's answerpot <http://answerpot.com/>
>archiving your lists."  They are subscribing to your lists in order to
>collect list posts for their archive. See their web site for more info.


You did say that and I just didn't check it out.  Is there any reason 
to not let them do this?  My sponsoring organization is involved in a 
lot of public education kinds of things, and want to get the word 
out.  Is there a negative, or spam risk, or something to letting them 
archive?  And ... finally, why do they need multiple subscribes to 
the same list?

Sorry if I am asking to many questions -- I know you aren't their 
representative or defender.

Dave


From vm3112870680488272v at vmail.inf.h-brs.de  Wed Jul 20 10:53:23 2011
From: vm3112870680488272v at vmail.inf.h-brs.de (Steffen Kaiser)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:53:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] access scrubbed attachments of private lists
	without password?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1107201051410.12129@pc-2m63n.inf.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de>

Dear all,

is it possible to access scrubbed attachments of private lists without a 
password?

Regards,

-- 
Steffen Kaiser

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jul 20 16:53:59 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:53:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] access scrubbed attachments of private lists
 without password?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1107201051410.12129@pc-2m63n.inf.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1107201051410.12129@pc-2m63n.inf.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de>
Message-ID: <4E26EC07.3050107@msapiro.net>

On 7/20/2011 1:53 AM, Steffen Kaiser wrote:
> 
> is it possible to access scrubbed attachments of private lists without a
> password?


No. Scrubbed attachments are stored in the list's archive file hierarchy
and have to be accessed as anything else in the list's archives. If the
archive is private, this requires a password.

Also, in general, it seems to me that if a list's archives are private,
it would not be a good idea to make attachments to list posts publicly
accessible.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From vm3112870680488272v at vmail.inf.h-brs.de  Fri Jul 22 16:23:11 2011
From: vm3112870680488272v at vmail.inf.h-brs.de (Steffen Kaiser)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:23:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] access scrubbed attachments of private lists
	without password?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.36.1311242402.31204.mailman-users@python.org>
References: <mailman.36.1311242402.31204.mailman-users@python.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1107221609090.3298@pc-2m63n.inf.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de>

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>On 7/20/2011 1:53 AM, Steffen Kaiser wrote:
>>
>> is it possible to access scrubbed attachments of private lists without a
>> password?
>
>
>No. Scrubbed attachments are stored in the list's archive file hierarchy
>and have to be accessed as anything else in the list's archives. If the
>archive is private, this requires a password.
>
>Also, in general, it seems to me that if a list's archives are private,
>it would not be a good idea to make attachments to list posts publicly
>accessible.

That depends on the view :-)

MIMEDefang (www.mimedefang.org) has a feature to replace attachments with 
links. The URLs are using a SHA1-based hash of the content of the file. 
The idea is: if someone gained access to the message, s/he would have 
access to the attachment, if it had not been removed. The URL is obscured 
in such a way, that one would need the content of the file to guess the 
URL to it. No need to protect the attachment any further.

Or one could think of the SHA1-based URL as the password to the file.

Such URL could look like:
https://example.com/mailman/private/list/attachments/20110719/5d9da8c3/sha1hash.pdf

or one uses: sha1hash/sanitisedFilename.pdf

or something like that.

Of course, I do not know how the Mailman password stuff works in detail, 
so one could place appropriate links into https://host/pipermail/list/ or 
yet another base path.

Kind regards,

-- 
Steffen Kaiser

From gigahertz at fettabernett.de  Fri Jul 22 13:32:26 2011
From: gigahertz at fettabernett.de (gigahertz at fettabernett.de)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:32:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Mailman+Postfix
Message-ID: <4E295FCA.1020309@fettabernett.de>

Hi there.
I?m using Postfix + Dovevot + Mailman on Debian Lenny with ISPConfig3 Setup.
I?ve installed Mailman seperate from ISPConfig via apt-get, 
administrating lists works fine but there is one problem: Postfix does 
not accept incoming mails to the mailing list.

mail.info:
Jul 22 10:53:13 atom-29 postfix/smtpd[12620]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 
mailout-de.gmx.net[213.165.64.22]: 550 5.1.1 <test at xyz.net>: Recipient 
address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table; 
from=<abc at gmx.de> to=<test at xyz.net> proto=SMTP helo=<mailout-de.gmx.net>

main.cf of Postfix:
# See /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist for a commented, more complete version

# Debian specific: Specifying a file name will cause the first
# line of that file to be used as the name. The Debian default
# is /etc/mailname.
myorigin = /etc/mailname

smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Debian/GNU)
biff = no

# appending .domain is the MUA's job.
append_dot_mydomain = no

# Uncomment the next line to generate "delayed mail" warnings
#delay_warning_time = 4h

readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix

# TLS parameters
smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/postfix/smtpd.cert
smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/postfix/smtpd.key
smtpd_use_tls = yes
smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache
smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache

# See /usr/share/doc/postfix/TLS_README.gz in the postfix-doc package for
# information on enabling SSL in the smtp client.

myhostname = atom-29.ip-projects.de
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
myorigin = /etc/mailname
mydestination = atom-29.ip-projects.de, localhost, localhost.localdomain
relayhost =
mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::1]/128
mailbox_size_limit = 0
recipient_delimiter = +
inet_interfaces = all
html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html
virtual_alias_domains =
virtual_alias_maps = 
proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_forwardings.cf, 
mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_email2email.cf
virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_domains.cf
virtual_mailbox_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_mailboxes.cf
virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail
virtual_uid_maps = static:5000
virtual_gid_maps = static:5000
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
smtpd_sasl_authenticated_header = yes
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, 
permit_sasl_authenticated, check_recipient_access 
mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_recipient.cf, reject_unauth_destination
smtpd_tls_security_level = may
transport_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_transports.cf
relay_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_relaydomains.cf
relay_recipient_maps = 
mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_relayrecipientmaps.cf
proxy_read_maps = $local_recipient_maps $mydestination 
$virtual_alias_maps $virtual_alias_domains $virtual_mailbox_maps 
$virtual_mailbox_domains $relay_recipient_maps $relay_domains 
$canonical_maps $sender_canonical_maps $recipient_canonical_maps 
$relocated_maps $transport_maps $mynetworks $virtual_mailbox_limit_maps
smtpd_sender_restrictions = check_sender_access 
mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_sender.cf
smtpd_client_restrictions = check_client_access 
mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_client.cf
maildrop_destination_concurrency_limit = 1
maildrop_destination_recipient_limit = 1
virtual_transport = dovecot
header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/header_checks
mime_header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/mime_header_checks
nested_header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/nested_header_checks
body_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/body_checks
dovecot_destination_recipient_limit = 1
smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot
smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
content_filter = amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024
receive_override_options = no_address_mappings
message_size_limit = 0
#Mailman
owner_request_special = no

What am I doing wrong?


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jul 22 20:41:44 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:41:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Mailman+Postfix
In-Reply-To: <4E295FCA.1020309@fettabernett.de>
References: <4E295FCA.1020309@fettabernett.de>
Message-ID: <4E29C468.6040901@msapiro.net>

On 7/22/2011 4:32 AM, gigahertz at fettabernett.de wrote:
> Hi there.
> I?m using Postfix + Dovevot + Mailman on Debian Lenny with ISPConfig3
> Setup.
> I?ve installed Mailman seperate from ISPConfig via apt-get,
> administrating lists works fine but there is one problem: Postfix does
> not accept incoming mails to the mailing list.
> 
> mail.info:
> Jul 22 10:53:13 atom-29 postfix/smtpd[12620]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
> mailout-de.gmx.net[213.165.64.22]: 550 5.1.1 <test at xyz.net>: Recipient
> address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table;
> from=<abc at gmx.de> to=<test at xyz.net> proto=SMTP helo=<mailout-de.gmx.net>
> 
> main.cf of Postfix:
[...]
> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
> alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
[...]
> virtual_alias_domains =
> virtual_alias_maps =
> proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_forwardings.cf,
> mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_email2email.cf
> virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_domains.cf
> virtual_mailbox_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_mailboxes.cf
[...]
> 
> What am I doing wrong?


'postconf -n' is generally more useful than main.cf.

It appears the problem is that your list domain is a virtual mailbox
domain, but you have no virtual mapping for the list addresses.

If that is indeed the problem, you need to add
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman to virtual_alias_maps in
main.cf. You also need to put your list domaian (xyz.net) in
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS in mm_cfg.py as in

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['xyz.net']

and run Mailman's bin/genaliases to generate virtual-mailman.

Also, you should not have hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases because it
will cause Postfix's newaliases command to rebuild
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db which may adversely affect the
owner:group of this file.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From michael.capelle at charter.net  Sat Jul 23 18:29:16 2011
From: michael.capelle at charter.net (Michael Capelle)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:29:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Mailman.
Message-ID: <8C8A036A921C4959A0D629DE12589AED@michael849cd7d>

Hello.
I am trying to upgrade mailman, I am using Debian 5-04.  I have mailman 
version 2.1.11.  Do i need to use a dependency to update?
thanks.
Mike.
 


From michael.capelle at charter.net  Sun Jul 24 01:17:52 2011
From: michael.capelle at charter.net (Michael Capelle)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 18:17:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Mailman.
References: <8C8A036A921C4959A0D629DE12589AED@michael849cd7d>
Message-ID: <5A72613502AA48E3A10DB3CB304A9403@michael849cd7d>

I need to add, we are not using 5.0.4, we are using 5.0.8.  Is there any 
dependencies we need to download?
we have 2.1.11, and we want to upgrade to 2.1.15, we are using debian 5.0.8. 
thanks.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Capelle" <michael.capelle at charter.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Cc: <number6 at noisynotes.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 11:29 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Mailman.


> Hello.
> I am trying to upgrade mailman, I am using Debian 5-04.  I have mailman 
> version 2.1.11.  Do i need to use a dependency to update?
> thanks.
> Mike.
>
>
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From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jul 24 03:35:31 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 18:35:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Mailman.
In-Reply-To: <5A72613502AA48E3A10DB3CB304A9403@michael849cd7d>
Message-ID: <PC195201107231835310796f127217b@MSAPIRO>

Michael Capelle wrote:

>I need to add, we are not using 5.0.4, we are using 5.0.8.  Is there any 
>dependencies we need to download?
>we have 2.1.11, and we want to upgrade to 2.1.15, we are using debian 5.0.8. 


I believe Mailman 2.1.11 (1:2.1.11-11+lenny1) is the latest Debian
packaged release for Debian 5.

If you want to install from source, you will need python and python-dev
- Python 2.6.x is recommended for current Mailman, but Python 2.5.x
(not 2.5) should be OK, see <http://wiki.list.org/x/pYA9> and
<http://wiki.list.org/x/bAM>. Whatever MTA and web server you
currently have is OK.

I don't know where you plan to get Mailman 2.1.15. The latest release
is 2.1.14-1, although 2.1.15 should be released this summer, but there
is currently no target date.

Others on this list or a Debian/Ubuntu list/forum may have more
information on installing from source on Debian.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From maria at shadlen.org  Mon Jul 25 06:53:47 2011
From: maria at shadlen.org (Maria Mckinley)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:53:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade question
Message-ID: <4E2CF6DB.9030302@shadlen.org>

Hi there,

I have upgraded my mail server by the following steps:

1. make a copy of the old hard drive
2. upgrade the new one (while isolated) while the old one is still running
3. once the new one is working isolate both
4. then rsync data from the old to the new.
5. bring the new one on line.

However, mailman is missing some stuff that happened while I was 
upgrading the new machine, so I must be rsyncing the wrong directory. I 
thought it should be /var/lib/mailman/, but I think this must not be the 
directory that mailman is using anymore. This is on a debian squeeze 
machine.

thanks,
maria

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Mon Jul 25 16:46:32 2011
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:46:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade question
In-Reply-To: <4E2CF6DB.9030302@shadlen.org>
References: <4E2CF6DB.9030302@shadlen.org>
Message-ID: <20110725144632.GG4223@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 09:53:47PM -0700, Maria Mckinley wrote:
> However, mailman is missing some stuff that happened while I was  
> upgrading the new machine, so I must be rsyncing the wrong directory. I  
> thought it should be /var/lib/mailman/, but I think this must not be the  
> directory that mailman is using anymore. This is on a debian squeeze  
> machine.

This may have been more suitable for the pkg-mailman-hackers list, but
that aside --

 /etc/mailman
and
 /usr/lib/mailman
and
 /etc/{init.d,default}

also have bits and pieces, along with, probably, things in your MTA's
config, and perhaps anti-spam software directory, and maybe any other
MDAs / LDAs.

-- 
"Remember, the plural of 'moron' is 'focus group'."
    -- James A Wolf

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Jul 25 16:40:44 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:40:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade question
In-Reply-To: <4E2CF6DB.9030302@shadlen.org>
Message-ID: <PC1952011072507404403386414e17e@Notebook-09>

Maria Mckinley wrote:
>
>However, mailman is missing some stuff that happened while I was 
>upgrading the new machine, so I must be rsyncing the wrong directory. I 
>thought it should be /var/lib/mailman/, but I think this must not be the 
>directory that mailman is using anymore. This is on a debian squeeze 
>machine.


This is really a Debian packaging question, but in addition to
/var/lib/mailman, there are probably things in /usr/lib/mailman and
maybe /etc/mailman. You could try 'locate mailman'.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Mon Jul 25 17:58:17 2011
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:58:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade question
In-Reply-To: <PC1952011072507404403386414e17e@Notebook-09>
References: <4E2CF6DB.9030302@shadlen.org>
	<PC1952011072507404403386414e17e@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <20110725155817.GH4223@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 07:40:44AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> You could try 'locate mailman'.

And/or 'dpkg -L mailman'

-- 
"There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today"
    -- David, Vice-Admiral Beatty (re: the Battle of the Jutland)

From maria at shadlen.org  Mon Jul 25 23:31:01 2011
From: maria at shadlen.org (Maria Mckinley)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:31:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade question
In-Reply-To: <20110725155817.GH4223@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
References: <4E2CF6DB.9030302@shadlen.org>
	<PC1952011072507404403386414e17e@Notebook-09>
	<20110725155817.GH4223@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4E2DE095.9050403@shadlen.org>

On 7/25/11 8:58 AM, Adam McGreggor wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 07:40:44AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> You could try 'locate mailman'.
>
> And/or 'dpkg -L mailman'
>

Thanks for everyone's help. Turns out I had copied the correct 
directory, but the mboxes needed to be rebuilt. But, there are some 
subscribers that were added between the builds, and they seem to still 
be lost. Does anyone know what file has the subscriber lists?

thanks,
maria

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jul 26 02:05:13 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:05:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade question
In-Reply-To: <4E2DE095.9050403@shadlen.org>
References: <4E2CF6DB.9030302@shadlen.org>
	<PC1952011072507404403386414e17e@Notebook-09>
	<20110725155817.GH4223@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
	<4E2DE095.9050403@shadlen.org>
Message-ID: <4E2E04B9.6090701@msapiro.net>

On 7/25/2011 2:31 PM, Maria Mckinley wrote:
> 
> Thanks for everyone's help. Turns out I had copied the correct
> directory, but the mboxes needed to be rebuilt. But, there are some
> subscribers that were added between the builds, and they seem to still
> be lost. Does anyone know what file has the subscriber lists?


I'm not sure what you're referring to as mboxes, but the configuration,
subscriber list, etc. for the LISTNAME list are all saved as a Python
pickle of the list object in the file
/var/lib/mailman/lists/LISTNAME/config.pck.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From kowalskM at cs.moravian.edu  Tue Jul 26 17:33:17 2011
From: kowalskM at cs.moravian.edu (myron)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:33:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman to another server
Message-ID: <CE05CD7E-6A88-4028-B372-E7C2103E7489@cs.moravian.edu>

I'm moving mailman from Solaris to Ubuntu 10.04.

The latest it installed on Ubuntu was
ii  mailman                         1:2.1.13-1ubuntu0.2

Everything seems to work fine on a test list (xxx) except that it  
won't build any archives.

This is from the log/mailman/error

Jul 26 11:21:57 2011 (1132) Archive file access failure:
         /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/xxx.mbox/xxx.mbox [Errno  
13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/xxx.mbox/ 
xxx.mbox'
Jul 26 11:21:57 2011 (1132) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13]  
Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/xxx.mbox/xxx.mbox'
Jul 26 11:21:57 2011 (1132) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in  
_oneloop
     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in  
_onefile
     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in  
_dispose
     mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 198, in  
ArchiveMail
     self.__archive_to_mbox(msg)
   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 167, in  
__archive_to_mbox
     mbox = self.__archive_file(afn)
   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 155, in  
__archive_file
     return Mailbox.Mailbox(open(afn, 'a+'))
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/archives/ 
private/xxx.mbox/xxx.mbox'

These are the permissions setup by mailman on the archive directories.

/var/lib/mailman/archives# ll
total 16
drwxrwsr-x 4 root list     4096 2011-07-20 10:38 ./
drwxrwsr-x 9 root list     4096 2011-07-25 13:49 ../
drwxrws--- 8 root www-data 4096 2011-07-25 14:56 private/
drwxrwsr-x 2 root list     4096 2011-07-25 14:56 public/

It doesn't seem to like the root:www-data permission setup.

--myron
=================================
Myron Kowalski
MoCoSIN Network/Systems Administrator
Moravian College
myron at cs.moravian.edu




From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jul 27 04:35:55 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:35:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman to another server
In-Reply-To: <CE05CD7E-6A88-4028-B372-E7C2103E7489@cs.moravian.edu>
References: <CE05CD7E-6A88-4028-B372-E7C2103E7489@cs.moravian.edu>
Message-ID: <4E2F798B.2050301@msapiro.net>

On 7/26/2011 8:33 AM, myron wrote:
> 
> These are the permissions setup by mailman on the archive
> directories.
> 
> /var/lib/mailman/archives# ll total 16 drwxrwsr-x 4 root list
> 4096 2011-07-20 10:38 ./ drwxrwsr-x 9 root list     4096 2011-07-25
> 13:49 ../ drwxrws--- 8 root www-data 4096 2011-07-25 14:56 private/ 
> drwxrwsr-x 2 root list     4096 2011-07-25 14:56 public/
> 
> It doesn't seem to like the root:www-data permission setup.


Exactly. archives/private should be owner:group www-data:list, not
root:www-data.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From maria at shadlen.org  Wed Jul 27 21:20:21 2011
From: maria at shadlen.org (Maria Mckinley)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:20:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade question
In-Reply-To: <4E2E04B9.6090701@msapiro.net>
References: <4E2CF6DB.9030302@shadlen.org>
	<PC1952011072507404403386414e17e@Notebook-09>
	<20110725155817.GH4223@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
	<4E2DE095.9050403@shadlen.org> <4E2E04B9.6090701@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <4E3064F5.3030902@shadlen.org>

On 7/25/11 5:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 7/25/2011 2:31 PM, Maria Mckinley wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for everyone's help. Turns out I had copied the correct
>> directory, but the mboxes needed to be rebuilt. But, there are some
>> subscribers that were added between the builds, and they seem to still
>> be lost. Does anyone know what file has the subscriber lists?
>
>
> I'm not sure what you're referring to as mboxes, but the configuration,
> subscriber list, etc. for the LISTNAME list are all saved as a Python
> pickle of the list object in the file
> /var/lib/mailman/lists/LISTNAME/config.pck.
>

Yes, thanks, that was it. Not sure why that didn't get copied over.

cheers,
maria

From kowalskM at cs.moravian.edu  Wed Jul 27 21:22:39 2011
From: kowalskM at cs.moravian.edu (myron)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:22:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman to another server
In-Reply-To: <4E2F798B.2050301@msapiro.net>
References: <CE05CD7E-6A88-4028-B372-E7C2103E7489@cs.moravian.edu>
	<4E2F798B.2050301@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <84E82371-8675-4019-8E78-8F5472FDAEB4@cs.moravian.edu>

On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> On 7/26/2011 8:33 AM, myron wrote:
>>
>> These are the permissions setup by mailman on the archive
>> directories.
>>
>> /var/lib/mailman/archives# ll total 16 drwxrwsr-x 4 root list
>> 4096 2011-07-20 10:38 ./ drwxrwsr-x 9 root list     4096 2011-07-25
>> 13:49 ../ drwxrws--- 8 root www-data 4096 2011-07-25 14:56 private/
>> drwxrwsr-x 2 root list     4096 2011-07-25 14:56 public/
>>
>> It doesn't seem to like the root:www-data permission setup.
>
>
> Exactly. archives/private should be owner:group www-data:list, not
> root:www-data.
>

I'm going to assume you meant list:www-data because I have a user list  
and group www-data not vice versa.

> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jul 28 00:55:59 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:55:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman to another server
In-Reply-To: <84E82371-8675-4019-8E78-8F5472FDAEB4@cs.moravian.edu>
Message-ID: <PC195201107271555590754024b672d@Notebook-09>

myron wrote:

>On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> On 7/26/2011 8:33 AM, myron wrote:
>>>
>>> These are the permissions setup by mailman on the archive
>>> directories.
>>>
>>> /var/lib/mailman/archives# ll
>>> total 16
>>> drwxrwsr-x 4 root list     4096 2011-07-20 10:38 ./
>>> drwxrwsr-x 9 root list     4096 2011-07-25 13:49 ../
>>> drwxrws--- 8 root www-data 4096 2011-07-25 14:56 private/
>>> drwxrwsr-x 2 root list     4096 2011-07-25 14:56 public/
>>>
>>> It doesn't seem to like the root:www-data permission setup.
>>
>>
>> Exactly. archives/private should be owner:group www-data:list, not
>> root:www-data.
>>
>
>I'm going to assume you meant list:www-data because I have a user list  
>and group www-data not vice versa.
No. I meant exactly what I wrote.

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/tYA9> and the installation
manual at <http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node9.html> for further
information.

If you don't have a 'list' group, how come it is the group of

/var/lib/mailman, /var/lib/mailman/archives and
/var/lib/mailman/archives/public?

If you don't have a 'www-data' user, then that should be whatever the
user is that your web server runs Mailman's CGIs as.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dunkel at calamus.net  Thu Jul 28 15:29:11 2011
From: dunkel at calamus.net (Ulf Dunkel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:29:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman aliases: various places on new server?
Message-ID: <4E316427.6000402@calamus.net>

Hi Mark,

once again, I also had to move my Mailman lists to a new server. Now 
that I am almost done, I wonder about this:

When I run /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases, I see that in /etc/mailman/ 
the relevant files are updated:

- aliases
- aliases.db
- virtual-mailman
- virtual-mailman.db

But Postfix won't react on alias changes until I copy at least the 
aliases* files into /var/lib/mailman/data/.

I didn't set up Mailman on the new machine, but my ISP did. In various 
documentations on the web I see various places for all this stuff. Is 
there any place where the genaliases output should be written to by default?

---Ulf Dunkel

From dunkel at calamus.net  Thu Jul 28 15:23:55 2011
From: dunkel at calamus.net (Ulf Dunkel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:23:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman to another server
In-Reply-To: <CE05CD7E-6A88-4028-B372-E7C2103E7489@cs.moravian.edu>
References: <CE05CD7E-6A88-4028-B372-E7C2103E7489@cs.moravian.edu>
Message-ID: <4E3162EB.2020606@calamus.net>

Hi Myron.

~mailman/bin/check_perms  is your friend, really.

When you're done fixing all permissions, run

~mailman/bin/unshunt


I am almost done with the same stuff - once again.

---Ulf Dunkel

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jul 28 15:58:12 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 06:58:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman aliases: various places on new server?
In-Reply-To: <4E316427.6000402@calamus.net>
Message-ID: <PC19520110728065812073050b5d6e6@Notebook-09>

Ulf Dunkel wrote:
>
>When I run /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases, I see that in /etc/mailman/ 
>the relevant files are updated:
>
>- aliases
>- aliases.db
>- virtual-mailman
>- virtual-mailman.db
>
>But Postfix won't react on alias changes until I copy at least the 
>aliases* files into /var/lib/mailman/data/.
>
>I didn't set up Mailman on the new machine, but my ISP did. In various 
>documentations on the web I see various places for all this stuff. Is 
>there any place where the genaliases output should be written to by default?


In standard GNU Mailman genaliases and list creation/deletion with MTA
= 'Postfix' writes/updates aliases* and virtual-mailman* in
$var-prefix/data/ where var-prefix is set by configure when Mailman is
configured. This can be overridden in mm_cfg.py by setting

DATA_DIR = '/etc/mailman'

or anything else as desired.

It appears your ISP is using some packaged Mailman (possibly Debian or
RedHat), but has not properly configured Postfix to look for Mailman's
aliases and virtual maps in the place where the package puts them.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dunkel at calamus.net  Thu Jul 28 17:51:22 2011
From: dunkel at calamus.net (Ulf Dunkel)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:51:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman aliases: various places on new server?
In-Reply-To: <PC19520110728065812073050b5d6e6@Notebook-09>
References: <PC19520110728065812073050b5d6e6@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <4E31857A.5000508@calamus.net>

Hi Mark.

> It appears your ISP is using some packaged Mailman (possibly Debian or
> RedHat), but has not properly configured Postfix to look for Mailman's
> aliases and virtual maps in the place where the package puts them.

It's a VM with CentOS and I guess he simply picked the package from Yum.

I have now fixed the relevant entry in /etc/postfix/main.cf:

----- snip -----
alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases
----- snap -----

Thank you for your comment, as always.

---Ulf Dunkel

From barry at list.org  Thu Jul 28 20:56:06 2011
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:56:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wiki.list.org license has been renewed
Message-ID: <20110728145606.116e0b49@resist.wooz.org>

I think I've managed to get our Confluence license renewed, so those of you
with write privileges to wiki.list.org should be able to save pages again.  If
not, please let me know.

I haven't heard much about the Moin conversion lately, but hopefully that will
happen before the next time our license runs out.

-Barry
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From barry at list.org  Fri Jul 29 01:34:31 2011
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:34:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Announce] wiki.list.org license has
	been renewed
In-Reply-To: <4E31EF5D.7050509@bjdean.id.au>
References: <20110728145606.116e0b49@resist.wooz.org>
	<4E31EF5D.7050509@bjdean.id.au>
Message-ID: <20110728193431.5d0df560@resist.wooz.org>

On Jul 29, 2011, at 09:23 AM, Bradley Dean wrote:

>On 29/07/11 04:56, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>> I haven't heard much about the Moin conversion lately, but hopefully that will
>> happen before the next time our license runs out.
>
>Still working through it - sorry it's taking longer than hoped but the confluence XML is, well, interesting:
>
>  * http://lists.bjdean.id.au/pipermail/mmwiki/2011q3/000067.html
>  * http://lists.bjdean.id.au/pipermail/mmwiki/2011q3/000068.html
>  * http://moinmo.in/ConfluenceConverter/DevelopmentNotes/TransformProcess#Confluence_Dump_XML
>
>We've also had a little less input from members of the assembled team. Now that I think I've got the XML structure pinned down I'll get stuck in to the content extraction and transformation.

Thanks for the update!
-Barry
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From dunkel at calamus.net  Fri Jul 29 13:52:02 2011
From: dunkel at calamus.net (Ulf Dunkel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:52:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any quantity restrictions in who email command?
Message-ID: <4E329EE2.4060702@calamus.net>

Hi Mark.

I try to grab the members from various of my mailing lists via the email 
interface, but two of them with more than 1,000 users each won't let 
Mailman reply on my "who <password>" email to the relevant 
<mailinglist>-request at mydomain account.

Are there any quantity restrictions I have overseen (or forgotten)?

Thanks in advance for your reply,
---Ulf Dunkel

From bjdean at bjdean.id.au  Fri Jul 29 01:23:09 2011
From: bjdean at bjdean.id.au (Bradley Dean)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:23:09 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Announce] wiki.list.org license has
	been renewed
In-Reply-To: <20110728145606.116e0b49@resist.wooz.org>
References: <20110728145606.116e0b49@resist.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <4E31EF5D.7050509@bjdean.id.au>

Hi folks,

On 29/07/11 04:56, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> I haven't heard much about the Moin conversion lately, but hopefully that will
> happen before the next time our license runs out.

Still working through it - sorry it's taking longer than hoped but the 
confluence XML is, well, interesting:

  * http://lists.bjdean.id.au/pipermail/mmwiki/2011q3/000067.html
  * http://lists.bjdean.id.au/pipermail/mmwiki/2011q3/000068.html
  * 
http://moinmo.in/ConfluenceConverter/DevelopmentNotes/TransformProcess#Confluence_Dump_XML

We've also had a little less input from members of the assembled team. 
Now that I think I've got the XML structure pinned down I'll get stuck 
in to the content extraction and transformation.

Cheerio,

  Brad

-- 
Bradley Dean
Email: bjdean at bjdean.id.au Skype: skype at bjdean.id.au
Mobile(Aus): +61-413014395 WWW: http://bjdean.id.au/

From kowalskM at cs.moravian.edu  Thu Jul 28 17:19:28 2011
From: kowalskM at cs.moravian.edu (myron)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:19:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman to another server
In-Reply-To: <4E3162EB.2020606@calamus.net>
References: <CE05CD7E-6A88-4028-B372-E7C2103E7489@cs.moravian.edu>
	<4E3162EB.2020606@calamus.net>
Message-ID: <0E38CAE4-F88D-4F00-A0AF-03D1536AAFE6@cs.moravian.edu>

On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Ulf Dunkel wrote:

> Hi Myron.
>
> ~mailman/bin/check_perms  is your friend, really.

Mark was right about the owner:group setting. Looks like I was  
combining fact with fiction.
I was making a lot of assumptions about what's on my system. Easy when  
you're not familiar with
the OS.

I think it's working now. When I run bin/check_perms I get 10 listed  
problems--all links.
I looked at some of the links and they are right. I assume the rest  
are too.

However, when I create a newlist, it is made with the same wrong  
permissions, but running
bin/check_perms doesn't report it. So, I'm guessing that all I need to  
do is set www-data:list
on the list whenever I create a new list.

>
> When you're done fixing all permissions, run
>
> ~mailman/bin/unshunt
>
>
> I am almost done with the same stuff - once again.
>
> ---Ulf Dunkel
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/myron%40cs.moravian.edu


From lorenzo at coronati.com  Thu Jul 28 17:41:50 2011
From: lorenzo at coronati.com (Lorenzo Coronati)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:41:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem with exim
Message-ID: <4E31833E.5020708@coronati.com>

hi all
I'm trying to make mailman work with exim (on a centos server) but I'm 
facing a problem:
when a subscriber posts a message, it isn't forwarded to the other 
subscribers, and no error message is sent back to the sender
this is what I find in the /var/log/exim/main.log:

2011-07-28 09:01:50 1QmKbO-0004h7-NS <= lorenzo at coronati.com 
H=adsl-ull-193-191.49-151.net24.it ([192.168.0.207]) [151.49.191.193] 
P=esmtpa A=plain_login:lorenzo at coronati.com S=644 
id=4E310960.6050509 at coronati.com T="provo io"
2011-07-28 09:01:50 1QmKbO-0004h7-NS Failed to find group "" from 
expanded string "${lookup mysql{select users.gid from users,domains 
where localpart = '${quote_mysql:$local_part}' and domain = 
'${quote_mysql:$domain}' and users.domain_id = domains.domain_id}}" for 
the address_pipe transport
2011-07-28 09:01:50 1QmKbO-0004h7-NS == |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman 
post mailinglistaips <mailinglistaips at aips.it> R=system_aliases 
T=address_pipe defer (-28): Failed to find group "" from expanded string 
"${lookup mysql{select users.gid from users,domains where localpart = 
'${quote_mysql:$local_part}' and domain = '${quote_mysql:$domain}' and 
users.domain_id = domains.domain_id}}" for the address_pipe transport

what I understand is that exim (which is configured to manage the email 
addresses stored in a mysql database) tries to expand the mailing list 
looking for subscribers via sql, instead of letting mailman to do this
am I right?
and then, what do I have to do to fix this?

thanks in advance
lorenzo


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jul 29 16:27:10 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:27:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any quantity restrictions in who email command?
In-Reply-To: <4E329EE2.4060702@calamus.net>
Message-ID: <PC1952011072907271000506b1a183c@Notebook-09>

Ulf Dunkel wrote:
>
>I try to grab the members from various of my mailing lists via the email 
>interface, but two of them with more than 1,000 users each won't let 
>Mailman reply on my "who <password>" email to the relevant 
><mailinglist>-request at mydomain account.
>
>Are there any quantity restrictions I have overseen (or forgotten)?


There are no built-in limits. Is there anything in Mailman's logs,
particularly error and qrunner?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jul 29 16:29:50 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:29:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem with exim
In-Reply-To: <4E31833E.5020708@coronati.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520110729072950033338d8c97f@Notebook-09>

Lorenzo Coronati wrote:
>
>what I understand is that exim (which is configured to manage the email 
>addresses stored in a mysql database) tries to expand the mailing list 
>looking for subscribers via sql, instead of letting mailman to do this
>am I right?
>and then, what do I have to do to fix this?


See <http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html> for the recommended way
to configure Exim with Mailman.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jul 29 16:43:00 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:43:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman to another server
In-Reply-To: <0E38CAE4-F88D-4F00-A0AF-03D1536AAFE6@cs.moravian.edu>
Message-ID: <PC19520110729074300051478fbf202@Notebook-09>

myron wrote:
>
>I think it's working now. When I run bin/check_perms I get 10 listed  
>problems--all links.
>I looked at some of the links and they are right. I assume the rest  
>are too.
>
>However, when I create a newlist, it is made with the same wrong  
>permissions, but running
>bin/check_perms doesn't report it. So, I'm guessing that all I need to  
>do is set www-data:list
>on the list whenever I create a new list.


Exactly which directories/files get incorrect owner:group? What exactly
is the incorrect owner:group? Is the superordinate directory group
'list' and SETGID?

Note that in general the owner is irrelevant but the group should
always be 'list'. The only place owner matters is on the single
directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/private and only if it is not o+x.
See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/tYA9> and the installation
manual at <http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node9.html> for further
information.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Fri Jul 29 17:06:14 2011
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:06:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem with exim
In-Reply-To: <PC19520110729072950033338d8c97f@Notebook-09>
References: <4E31833E.5020708@coronati.com>
	<PC19520110729072950033338d8c97f@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <20110729150614.GO4223@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 07:29:50AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Lorenzo Coronati wrote:
> >
> >what I understand is that exim (which is configured to manage the email 
> >addresses stored in a mysql database) tries to expand the mailing list 
> >looking for subscribers via sql, instead of letting mailman to do this
> >am I right?
> >and then, what do I have to do to fix this?
> 
> 
> See <http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html> for the recommended way
> to configure Exim with Mailman.

And make sure your routers are ordered the way you wish them to have
precedence (read from the top)


-- 
"Bernard: It's another of those irregular verbs. I hold
  confidential briefings, you leak, he's been charged
  under section 2A of the Official Secrets Act."

From kowalskM at cs.moravian.edu  Fri Jul 29 17:02:33 2011
From: kowalskM at cs.moravian.edu (myron)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:02:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman to another server
In-Reply-To: <PC19520110729074300051478fbf202@Notebook-09>
References: <PC19520110729074300051478fbf202@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <51B0D077-FD45-4307-8931-9EAAA21F01A7@cs.moravian.edu>

On Jul 29, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> myron wrote:
>>
>> I think it's working now. When I run bin/check_perms I get 10 listed
>> problems--all links.
>> I looked at some of the links and they are right. I assume the rest
>> are too.
>>
>> However, when I create a newlist, it is made with the same wrong
>> permissions, but running
>> bin/check_perms doesn't report it. So, I'm guessing that all I need  
>> to
>> do is set www-data:list
>> on the list whenever I create a new list.
>
>
> Exactly which directories/files get incorrect owner:group? What  
> exactly
> is the incorrect owner:group? Is the superordinate directory group
> 'list' and SETGID?

root at errol:/var/lib/mailman/archives# ll
drwxrws--- 14 www-data list 4096 2011-07-29 10:48 private/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root     list 4096 2011-07-29 10:48 public/

>
> Note that in general the owner is irrelevant but the group should
> always be 'list'. The only place owner matters is on the single
> directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/private and only if it is not o+x.
> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/tYA9> and the installation
> manual at <http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node9.html> for further
> information.

And it works. I tested it this time instead of just assuming. The  
archives appear for
both aaa and xxx lists. Thanks.

drwxrws--- 14 www-data list 4096 2011-07-29 10:48 ./
drwxrwsr-x  4 root     list 4096 2011-07-20 10:38 ../
drwxrwsr-x  2 root     list 4096 2011-07-29 10:48 aaa/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root     list 4096 2011-07-29 10:48 aaa.mbox/
drwxrwsr-x  2 www-data list 4096 2011-07-20 10:39 mailman/
drwxrwsr-x  2 www-data list 4096 2011-07-20 10:39 mailman.mbox/
drwxrwsr-x  6 www-data list 4096 2011-07-28 03:27 xxx/
drwxrwsr-x  2 www-data list 4096 2011-07-27 15:34 xxx.mbox/


>
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/myron%40cs.moravian.edu


From lorenzo at coronati.com  Fri Jul 29 17:52:00 2011
From: lorenzo at coronati.com (Lorenzo Coronati)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:52:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem with exim
In-Reply-To: <PC19520110729072950033338d8c97f@Notebook-09>
References: <PC19520110729072950033338d8c97f@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <4E32D720.90209@coronati.com>

On 29/07/2011 16:29, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Lorenzo Coronati wrote:
>> what I understand is that exim (which is configured to manage the email
>> addresses stored in a mysql database) tries to expand the mailing list
>> looking for subscribers via sql, instead of letting mailman to do this
>> am I right?
>> and then, what do I have to do to fix this?
>
> See<http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html>  for the recommended way
> to configure Exim with Mailman.
>

Thanks Mark,
I've read that page and followed the examples, but still I can't make 
things work.
I wonder if all instructions I've found are based on the assumption that 
exim works with real unix users...
Lorenzo


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jul 29 23:42:07 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:42:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem with exim
In-Reply-To: <4E32D720.90209@coronati.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520110729144207022128d14ce4@Notebook-09>

Lorenzo Coronati wrote:
>
>Thanks Mark,
>I've read that page and followed the examples, but still I can't make 
>things work.
>I wonder if all instructions I've found are based on the assumption that 
>exim works with real unix users...
>Lorenzo


Check your exim logs. If your list mail is not using the
"mailman_router" router, you need to move that router closer to the
front of the routers section, at least ahead of the router it is
using. The "mailman_router" router uses the "mailman_transport"
transport, not the "address_pipe" transport in the messages in your OP.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lorenzo at coronati.com  Sat Jul 30 09:20:30 2011
From: lorenzo at coronati.com (Lorenzo Coronati)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:20:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem with exim
In-Reply-To: <PC19520110729144207022128d14ce4@Notebook-09>
References: <PC19520110729144207022128d14ce4@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <4E33B0BE.6030706@coronati.com>

On 29/07/2011 23:42, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> Check your exim logs. If your list mail is not using the
> "mailman_router" router, you need to move that router closer to the
> front of the routers section, at least ahead of the router it is
> using. The "mailman_router" router uses the "mailman_transport"
> transport, not the "address_pipe" transport in the messages in your OP.
>
Hi Mark,
the router is the first of the list; I paste it here:

mailman_router:
   driver = accept
   domains = +mm_domains
   require_files = MAILMAN_LISTCHK
   local_part_suffix_optional
   local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \
                       -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \
                       -owner : -request : -admin
   headers_remove = X-Spam-Score:X-Spam-Report
   transport = mailman_transport


and the transport follows:

mailman_transport:
   driver = pipe
   command = MAILMAN_WRAP \
             '${if def:local_part_suffix \
                   {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \
                   {post}}' \
             $local_part
   current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
   home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
   user = MAILMAN_USER
   group = MAILMAN_GROUP


I copied both from one of the many tutorials on the web, and adjusted 
only the variables in capitals...

Thanks again for your support
Lorenzo


From dunkel at calamus.net  Sat Jul 30 10:45:51 2011
From: dunkel at calamus.net (Ulf Dunkel)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:45:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any quantity restrictions in who email command?
In-Reply-To: <PC1952011072907271000506b1a183c@Notebook-09>
References: <PC1952011072907271000506b1a183c@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <4E33C4BF.4050707@calamus.net>

Am 29.07.2011 16:27, schrieb Mark Sapiro:
> Ulf Dunkel wrote:
>>
>> I try to grab the members from various of my mailing lists via the email
>> interface, but two of them with more than 1,000 users each won't let
>> Mailman reply on my "who<password>" email to the relevant
>> <mailinglist>-request at mydomain account.
>>
>> Are there any quantity restrictions I have overseen (or forgotten)?
>
>
> There are no built-in limits. Is there anything in Mailman's logs,
> particularly error and qrunner?

My fault - the replies were simply dropped into my Junk folder where I 
found them this morning. Don't know why Thunderbird did this. :-)

---Ulf Dunkel

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jul 30 15:57:25 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 06:57:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem with exim
In-Reply-To: <4E33B0BE.6030706@coronati.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952011073006572500143affb827@Notebook-09>

Lorenzo Coronati wrote:
>
>mailman_router:
>   driver = accept
>   domains = +mm_domains

What is your definition of mm_domains?


>   require_files = MAILMAN_LISTCHK


What are your defininitions of MAILMAN_LISTCHK, MAILMAN_HOME,
MAILMAN_USER and MAILMAN_GROUP


>   local_part_suffix_optional
>   local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \
>                       -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \
>                       -owner : -request : -admin


The list above should probably also include -confirm, -subscribe and
-unsubscribe.


>   headers_remove = X-Spam-Score:X-Spam-Report
>   transport = mailman_transport
>
>
>and the transport follows:
>
>mailman_transport:
>   driver = pipe
>   command = MAILMAN_WRAP \
>             '${if def:local_part_suffix \
>                   {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \
>                   {post}}' \
>             $local_part
>   current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
>   home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
>   user = MAILMAN_USER
>   group = MAILMAN_GROUP
>
>
>I copied both from one of the many tutorials on the web, and adjusted 
>only the variables in capitals...


There should be

domainlist mm_domains=aips.it

or maybe

domainlist mm_domains=aips.it:other.list.domain:...

in your configuration. Your OP showed your list mail was using the
transport 'address_pipe', not 'mailman_transport'. If your
mailman_router is first and you are still seeing the same errors with
the address_pipe transport, some condition in your mailman_router is
not being met. Either, your mm_domains domain list does not include
your list domain(s) or your MAILMAN_LISTCHK macro doesn't expand to
the correct /path/to/lists/LISTNAME/config.pck.

Note that if you installed Mailman from a RedHat/CentOS rpm, most
examples on the web won't work because the mail wrapper mail/mailman
and the lists/ directory are not in the same MM_HOME directory. I.e.
the wrapper is /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman and the list directory is
/var/lib/mailman/lists/.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From bill at flanagan-consulting.com  Sun Jul 31 14:39:22 2011
From: bill at flanagan-consulting.com (W. Flanagan)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 08:39:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting MIME as default for new	Non-Digest
 subscribers
In-Reply-To: <PC17302005012611393403909392de28@msapiro>
References: <PC17302005012611393403909392de28@msapiro>
Message-ID: <4E354CFA.7010406@flanagan-consulting.com>

Hi,

This question from Jan 2005 is still a problem.  All the addresses I 
load into mailman end up with a check in the "plain" box when listed 
under membership management.  I seem to recall (from years ago) a config 
choice for new non-digest subscribers to force plain format, but it's 
not in the 2.1.14 version.

The current admin manual does not address (that I can find) what effect 
the plain check box has on non-digest subscribers.  If there is no 
effect, perhaps I can contribute some text to explain what happens--when 
I know.

Bill

> >QUESTIONS:
> >In order to avoid having to manually change this option for each
> >existing subscriber, is there a way to force all existing subscribers to
> >receive MIME in Non-Digest mode?
> >
> >If not, is there a way to force all NEW subscribers to be enrolled with
> >MIME as their default?
> >
> >Also, is there a way to "lock" the MIME switch on, so that users who try
> >to change their option to plain text will be prevented from doing so?
>
>
> Your questions are not relevant to what you are doing. To send MIME
> format messages to non-digest subscribers you just post that format to
> the list and either turn off content filtering or adjust the content
> filtering to pass what you want.

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From tom.browder at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 15:24:46 2011
From: tom.browder at gmail.com (Tom Browder)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:24:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error: Forbidden: You don't have permission
 to access /pipermail/grads/ on this server
Message-ID: <CAFMGiz_UhMvB7R-ehEaWm2ozC2ecPP8ZF+QLVU=w1RBKvgcvDw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm testing a new installation of postfix and mailman on a remote
server (Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, 64-bit) with two active virtual hosts.  Each
host is accessed via a switch to https (TLS).  I installed mailman
(and postfix) via my package manager.

I've established four lists, two for each server, and I can send and
receive mail successfully so far.

However, I, as a list user, cannot get access to the archives for a
list.  When I try to look at the archives through the link on the
Welcome message I get the following:

  Forbidden

  You don't have permission to access /pipermail/grads/ on this server.

I tried changing the example line in the mailman.conf  file from:

  Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/

to

  ScriptAlias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/

but that didn't change anything so I changed it back.

I have searched this list for "pipermail" but see no similar problem.

I'm sure I've missed a note somewhere but I'm not sure how to proceed.
 The mailman docs talk about permissions and the mailman user but
Ubuntu installs all mailman files with root:list ownership which seems
to work for all else.  All the directories under /var/lib/mailman have
these permissions:

  drwxrwsr-x  4 root list

Thanks for your help.

Best regards,

-Tom

Thomas M. Browder, Jr.
Niceville, Florida
USA

From tom.browder at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 17:41:37 2011
From: tom.browder at gmail.com (Tom Browder)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:41:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when e-mailing a list: User unknown in
	virtual alias table
Message-ID: <CAFMGiz-+fjxW3F5gdUdDAw=teUTQE8y+720+eLqquATbB+p0ig@mail.gmail.com>

I get this message when posting to my new lists:

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

    news at mydomain.org

Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the
recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for
further information about the cause of this error. The error that the
other server returned was: 550 550 5.1.1 <news at mydomain.org>:
Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state
14).

The Mailman docs (specifically /etc/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py)
says that I don't have to set up virtual aliases:

# -join, -leave, -subscribe and -unsubscribe addresses. It will
# recognize a list as soon as the list is created, there is no need to
# add _any_ aliases for any list.  It recognizes mail to postmaster,

but is that really true?

Thanks,

-Tom

Thomas M. Browder, Jr.
Niceville, Florida
USA

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jul 31 19:57:46 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:57:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting MIME as default for
	new	Non-Digestsubscribers
In-Reply-To: <4E354CFA.7010406@flanagan-consulting.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520110731105746072036b97efe@Notebook-09>

W. Flanagan wrote:
>
>This question from Jan 2005 is still a problem.  All the addresses I 
>load into mailman end up with a check in the "plain" box when listed 
>under membership management.  I seem to recall (from years ago) a config 
>choice for new non-digest subscribers to force plain format, but it's 
>not in the 2.1.14 version.
>
>The current admin manual does not address (that I can find) what effect 
>the plain check box has on non-digest subscribers.  If there is no 
>effect, perhaps I can contribute some text to explain what happens--when 
>I know.


The plain/MIME setting only affects digests. It has no effect
whatsoever on non-digest subscribers.

The actual option bit exists for all subscribers and is controlled for
new subscribers by the Digest options -> mime_is_default_digest
setting, but it only actually affects the format of the digest for
digest subscribers.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jul 31 20:08:54 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:08:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error: Forbidden: You don't have
	permissionto access /pipermail/grads/ on this server
In-Reply-To: <CAFMGiz_UhMvB7R-ehEaWm2ozC2ecPP8ZF+QLVU=w1RBKvgcvDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520110731110854035436b97d98@Notebook-09>

Tom Browder wrote:
>
>However, I, as a list user, cannot get access to the archives for a
>list.  When I try to look at the archives through the link on the
>Welcome message I get the following:
>
>  Forbidden
>
>  You don't have permission to access /pipermail/grads/ on this server.
>
>I tried changing the example line in the mailman.conf  file from:
>
>  Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
>
>to
>
>  ScriptAlias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
>
>but that didn't change anything so I changed it back.


Good.


>I have searched this list for "pipermail" but see no similar problem.
>
>I'm sure I've missed a note somewhere but I'm not sure how to proceed.
> The mailman docs talk about permissions and the mailman user but
>Ubuntu installs all mailman files with root:list ownership which seems
>to work for all else.  All the directories under /var/lib/mailman have
>these permissions:
>
>  drwxrwsr-x  4 root list

If that includes /var/lib/mailman/archives/private, then that's OK.
Otherwise note that /var/lib/mailman/archives/private must be o+x or
must have user:group xxx:list where xxx is the user that the web
server uses to access files.

If this is not the problem, make sure the directory
/var/lib/mailman/archives/public has Options +FollowSymlinks in your
web server config. I.e for Apache, put

<Directory "/var/lib/mailman/archives/public">
    Options +FollowSymLinks
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

immediately after

Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jul 31 20:19:50 2011
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:19:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when e-mailing a list: User unknown
	invirtual alias table
In-Reply-To: <CAFMGiz-+fjxW3F5gdUdDAw=teUTQE8y+720+eLqquATbB+p0ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520110731111950083936b97f79@Notebook-09>

Tom Browder wrote:

>I get this message when posting to my new lists:
>
>Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>
>    news at mydomain.org
>
>Technical details of permanent failure:
>Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the
>recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for
>further information about the cause of this error. The error that the
>other server returned was: 550 550 5.1.1 <news at mydomain.org>:
>Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state
>14).
>
>The Mailman docs (specifically /etc/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py)
>says that I don't have to set up virtual aliases:


postfix-to-mailman.py is not a part of standard GNU mailman. It is part
of the Debian/Ubuntu Mailman package, but whether it is properly
installed by default is a Debian/Ubuntu packaging question.


># -join, -leave, -subscribe and -unsubscribe addresses. It will
># recognize a list as soon as the list is created, there is no need to
># add _any_ aliases for any list.  It recognizes mail to postmaster,
>
>but is that really true?


It is if Postfix is properly configured to use a 'mailman' transport
that invokes postfix-to-mailman.py for all mail to the Mailman list
domain.

It is clear from the above error message that 'mydomain.org' is a
virtual alias domain in Postfix and is not mapped to a 'mailman'
transport. You can either configure Postfix to use
postfix-to-mailman.py per the documentation which may or may not be
provided by Debian/Ubuntu or configure Postfix/Mailman integration per
<http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node12.html>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From reks at iiap.res.in  Sun Jul 31 22:27:10 2011
From: reks at iiap.res.in (Rekhesh Mohan)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 01:57:10 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on freeBSD 8.2: getgrgid error
Message-ID: <201108010157.10387.reks@iiap.res.in>


Hi folks, 
I've been fiddling with mailman 2.1.14 (from freebsd ports) on free BSD 
8.2. Everything seems to be fine so far except for the web based stuff. I 
get the following error when I try to access the page:

http://this.great.site/mailman/listinfo

-------<error>--------
Mailman CGI error!!!

The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being 
stored in your syslog:
Failure to find group name for GID 80.  Mailman
expected the CGI wrapper to be executed as group
"www", but the system's web server executed the
wrapper as GID 80 for which the name could not be
found.  Try adding GID 80 to your system as "www",
or tweak your web server to run the wrapper as group
"www".
-------</error>---------

This system has a www user and gid is 80 (group = www). In the first 
attempt, I let freebsd choose its own configure-arguments and later I 
tried it myself. Error remained the same. 

AFAIK, src/common.c is checking the GID with getgid() followed by 
getgrgid(). Now, my machine uses blowfish instead of md5 for passwd. 
getgid() is returning 80 - which is fine since i have gid(www) = 80 on my 
system. However, getgrgid(gid) returns null :-|  I gave up my fight at 
that point and decided to ask for help :)

I tried to figure out the behaviour of these functions with a small test 
code: getgrgid() returns gr_passwd = * for blowfish, and gr_passwd = x 
for md5. Is that an issue with mailman or am I making mistakes somewhere 
else in the installation? My apache config is given below (I followed the 
steps in installation doc.)

Thanks in advance..!

---------<apache-config4mailman>----------------
ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/"

<Directory "/usr/local/mailman">
   Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI
   AllowOverride None
   Order allow,deny
   Allow from all
</Directory>

RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://this.great.site/mailman/listinfo/
---------</apache-config4mailman>----------------