From deansuhr at deansuhr.us  Wed Dec  1 00:28:13 2010
From: deansuhr at deansuhr.us (Dean Suhr)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:28:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - trouble creating a second list at an
 existing virtual host
In-Reply-To: <PC195201011291828490468de3b67c5@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <C91AC88D.144E94%deansuhr@deansuhr.us>

<snipped>

> [...]
>> Will I always have to manually post entries into virtual-mailman or is that
>> supposed to happen somewhere along the way?  Is there a terminal command
>> line I missed or could have run in addition to cause this to happen
>> automatically?
> 
 
On 11/29/10 6:28 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> It should happen automatically. I suspect it didn't in your case
> because of certain case-sensitivities which are really bugs. If you
> make all your domain names in mm_cfg.py, i.e. DEFAULT_URL_HOST,
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, additional domains in add_virtualhost() and
> domains in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS, all lower case and use all
> lower case in -u options to newlist or fix_url. Everything should work.
> 
> The underlying bug is that domains in add_virtualhost() directives are
> lower-cased by Mailman but are matched case-sensitively to
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS so if the POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS
> domains are mixed or upper case, they don't match.
> 
> If you make everything lower case and run fix_url with a lower case -u
> domain and then run genaliases, you should be OK.
> 
> Note that manually editing virtual-mailman is unsafe because if
> genaliases is ever run, your changes will be lost.

Thanks again Mark.

Yes, I contributed to the problem because I like to use MLDfamily (mixed
case) in the user viewable emails and tend to follow that behind the scenes.

Right now I have manually entered the aliases into virtual-mailman. You
indicated this could be a problem with the next run of genaliases.

The original list and the new one are both at lists.MLDfamily.org. (note
CAPS).

I ran genaliases and the list remained intact with entries updated in
virtual-mailman.  Should I stand down and assume my rickety path to
functionality will hold up - or should I delete the list and start over?

If I start over I would not want to upset the apple cart on the original
list at lists.MLDfamily.org so I would use that mixed case virtual host for
the re-creation of the new list.

I promise if I ever add any new virtual domains everything will be lower
case!

Thanks, Dean

-- 
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President
MLD Foundation
21345 Miles Drive
West Linn, OR  97068-2878   USA

1+503-656-4808  or 1-800-617-8387

Complete MLD information at: www.MLDfoundation.org

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Please watch this awareness video and pass it along:
http://mldfoundation.org/awareness-video.html




From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec  1 01:51:59 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:51:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - trouble creating a second list at
	anexisting virtual host
In-Reply-To: <C91AC88D.144E94%deansuhr@deansuhr.us>
Message-ID: <PC19520101130165159000045c31dbb@MSAPIRO>

Dean Suhr wrote:
>
>Yes, I contributed to the problem because I like to use MLDfamily (mixed
>case) in the user viewable emails and tend to follow that behind the scenes.
>
>Right now I have manually entered the aliases into virtual-mailman. You
>indicated this could be a problem with the next run of genaliases.


Yes, because genaliases will remove all entries from aliases and
virtual-mailman and then rebuild aliases for all lists and
virtual-mailman for only those lists whose host_name is found in
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS.

The above is the key here. If your domains are mixed case in
add_virtualhost() and POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS, creating the list
and possibly running fix_url will produce a list with its host_name
attribute lower cased which will not match
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS and thus will not create virtual-mailman
entries.

If however you then manually change host_name on the list admin General
Options page (or via config_list) to match the case of the domain in
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS and run genaliases, that will create the
virtual-mailman entries.

>The original list and the new one are both at lists.MLDfamily.org. (note
>CAPS).
>
>I ran genaliases and the list remained intact with entries updated in
>virtual-mailman.  Should I stand down and assume my rickety path to
>functionality will hold up - or should I delete the list and start over?


Presumably, you did what I suggest above, i.e., change the case of the
list's host_name before running genaliases.


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From daviddoria at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 15:21:50 2010
From: daviddoria at gmail.com (David Doria)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:21:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count
Message-ID: <AANLkTinZeRV4jMFS2NNF2sq6M2PPoybkFfQxXEX7B-xe@mail.gmail.com>

I am interested in counting the number of times a phrase has occurred
on a mailing list in a given time period. For example, I want to know
how many times the word "example" occurred from 2008 - 2009. Is it
possible to do this?

Thanks,

David

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Dec  1 16:40:27 2010
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:40:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinZeRV4jMFS2NNF2sq6M2PPoybkFfQxXEX7B-xe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinZeRV4jMFS2NNF2sq6M2PPoybkFfQxXEX7B-xe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101201154026.GD20375@charite.de>

* David Doria <daviddoria at gmail.com>:

> I am interested in counting the number of times a phrase has occurred
> on a mailing list in a given time period. For example, I want to know
> how many times the word "example" occurred from 2008 - 2009. Is it
> possible to do this?

You could analyse the archives for that. Usually, the archives are
stored as an mbox. So use your favourite tools on that

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Dec  1 16:41:12 2010
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:41:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending request email unreadable
In-Reply-To: <23A9B7CAD2EEE64F8FC5BF1E8AB5345F0CAD20@csr-exch.Intranet.Collanaud.Qc.Ca>
References: <23A9B7CAD2EEE64F8FC5BF1E8AB5345F0CAD20@csr-exch.Intranet.Collanaud.Qc.Ca>
Message-ID: <20101201154111.GE20375@charite.de>

* Guillaume Chartrand <guillaume.chartrand at Collanaud.Qc.Ca>:
> Hi, I receive some pending request for a list who I'm the administrator and moderator and in the message body on the web interface is unreadable, it's just something like that
> Sm9saSBib25uZXQgZGUgbGFpbmUgbGFpc3PDqSBwb3VyIG1vcnQgYXUgZGVybmllciBJbnRlckNB
> Q0Ugw6AgQ2hpY291dGltaS4gSWwgZXN0IGJydW4gZXQgYmVpZ2UgYXZlYyBkZXMgb3JlaWxsZXMg
> ZXQgZGVzIGxhbmnDqHJlcyBwb3VyIGF0dGFjaGVyIGF1IGNvdeKApi4NClF1ZWxxdeKAmXVuIGEg
> Z2Vsw6kgZGVzIG9yZWlsbGVzIGxlIHdlZWstZW5kIGRlcm5pZXI/Pz8/DQoNCk1hbm9uIExhcGll
> cnJlDQpNYW5vbiBMYXBpZXJyZQ0KYWdlbnRlIGRlIG1pbGlldSBldCByZXNwb25zYWJsZSBkZSBs
> J2Vudmlyb25uZW1lbnQNCmNvbnNlaWwgZGUgdmllIMOpdHVkaWFudGUNCkPDqWdlcCBkZSBjaGlj

That's encoded text.
 
> But if I approved this message it's send in readable format for all the
> user list. Why this can happens? I can't verify if it's appropriate
> content and I need to approve it to see it, it's not useful.

Usually you get a copy in your email; that one should be readable.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From daviddoria at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 16:43:37 2010
From: daviddoria at gmail.com (David Doria)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:43:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count
In-Reply-To: <20101201154026.GD20375@charite.de>
References: <AANLkTinZeRV4jMFS2NNF2sq6M2PPoybkFfQxXEX7B-xe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201154026.GD20375@charite.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimaJvZhfy150aGX1yXnZnFhV-xMyBQ3vppX1fJK@mail.gmail.com>

> You could analyse the archives for that. Usually, the archives are
> stored as an mbox. So use your favourite tools on that
>
> --
> Ralf Hildebrandt

Hi Ralf,

Is it possible to download the entire archive as one file?
I see that they are broken down into months:
http://www.vtk.org/pipermail/vtkusers/

Thanks,

David

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Dec  1 16:46:18 2010
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:46:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimaJvZhfy150aGX1yXnZnFhV-xMyBQ3vppX1fJK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinZeRV4jMFS2NNF2sq6M2PPoybkFfQxXEX7B-xe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201154026.GD20375@charite.de>
	<AANLkTimaJvZhfy150aGX1yXnZnFhV-xMyBQ3vppX1fJK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101201154618.GF20375@charite.de>

* David Doria <daviddoria at gmail.com>:

> Is it possible to download the entire archive as one file?
> I see that they are broken down into months:
> http://www.vtk.org/pipermail/vtkusers/

wget is your friend.

wget -r -l1 --no-parent-nd -A.txt.gz http://www.vtk.org/pipermail/vtkusers/
or something like that

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From andrew at hodgsonfamily.org  Wed Dec  1 16:49:11 2010
From: andrew at hodgsonfamily.org (Andrew Hodgson)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:49:11 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimaJvZhfy150aGX1yXnZnFhV-xMyBQ3vppX1fJK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinZeRV4jMFS2NNF2sq6M2PPoybkFfQxXEX7B-xe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201154026.GD20375@charite.de>
	<AANLkTimaJvZhfy150aGX1yXnZnFhV-xMyBQ3vppX1fJK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3D928760FE9FD24A9F02C485C3F506650D3720B9F6@ELROND.hodgsonfamily.org>

David Doria wrote:

[...]

>Hi Ralf,

>Is it possible to download the entire archive as one file?
>I see that they are broken down into months:
>http://www.vtk.org/pipermail/vtkusers/

To get the .mbox file directly you will need to access the server and download the file as a privileged user.  It may be quite large due to the size of the archive.

Alternatively you could use a crawl tool on the archives page like Wget or similar if you don't have access to the host.

Thanks.
Andrew.


From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Dec  1 16:50:39 2010
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:50:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count
In-Reply-To: <20101201154618.GF20375@charite.de>
References: <AANLkTinZeRV4jMFS2NNF2sq6M2PPoybkFfQxXEX7B-xe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201154026.GD20375@charite.de>
	<AANLkTimaJvZhfy150aGX1yXnZnFhV-xMyBQ3vppX1fJK@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201154618.GF20375@charite.de>
Message-ID: <20101201155038.GG20375@charite.de>

* Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de>:
> * David Doria <daviddoria at gmail.com>:
> 
> > Is it possible to download the entire archive as one file?
> > I see that they are broken down into months:
> > http://www.vtk.org/pipermail/vtkusers/
> 
> wget is your friend.
> 
> wget -r -l1 --no-parent-nd -A.txt.gz http://www.vtk.org/pipermail/vtkusers/
> or something like that

wget -r -l1 --no-parent -nd -A.txt.gz http://www.vtk.org/pipermail/vtkusers/
sorry.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Wed Dec  1 16:56:53 2010
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:56:53 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimaJvZhfy150aGX1yXnZnFhV-xMyBQ3vppX1fJK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinZeRV4jMFS2NNF2sq6M2PPoybkFfQxXEX7B-xe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201154026.GD20375@charite.de>
	<AANLkTimaJvZhfy150aGX1yXnZnFhV-xMyBQ3vppX1fJK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101201155653.GE6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 10:43:37AM -0500, David Doria wrote:
> Is it possible to download the entire archive as one file?
> I see that they are broken down into months:
> http://www.vtk.org/pipermail/vtkusers/

http://lists.example.org/mailman/private/example-list.mbox/example-list.mbox, perhaps?

(works for me).

-- 
"How can you make good ideas sound so bad?"
"I'm an engineer."
    -- Scott Adams

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec  1 16:56:56 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 07:56:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending request email unreadable
In-Reply-To: <23A9B7CAD2EEE64F8FC5BF1E8AB5345F0CAD20@csr-exch.Intranet.Collanaud.Qc.Ca>
References: <23A9B7CAD2EEE64F8FC5BF1E8AB5345F0CAD20@csr-exch.Intranet.Collanaud.Qc.Ca>
Message-ID: <4CF67048.1080205@msapiro.net>

On 11/30/2010 7:45 AM, Guillaume Chartrand wrote:
> Hi, I receive some pending request for a list who I'm the administrator and moderator and in the message body on the web interface is unreadable, it's just something like that
> Sm9saSBib25uZXQgZGUgbGFpbmUgbGFpc3PDqSBwb3VyIG1vcnQgYXUgZGVybmllciBJbnRlckNB
> Q0Ugw6AgQ2hpY291dGltaS4gSWwgZXN0IGJydW4gZXQgYmVpZ2UgYXZlYyBkZXMgb3JlaWxsZXMg
> ZXQgZGVzIGxhbmnDqHJlcyBwb3VyIGF0dGFjaGVyIGF1IGNvdeKApi4NClF1ZWxxdeKAmXVuIGEg
> Z2Vsw6kgZGVzIG9yZWlsbGVzIGxlIHdlZWstZW5kIGRlcm5pZXI/Pz8/DQoNCk1hbm9uIExhcGll
> cnJlDQpNYW5vbiBMYXBpZXJyZQ0KYWdlbnRlIGRlIG1pbGlldSBldCByZXNwb25zYWJsZSBkZSBs
> J2Vudmlyb25uZW1lbnQNCmNvbnNlaWwgZGUgdmllIMOpdHVkaWFudGUNCkPDqWdlcCBkZSBjaGlj


In older releases, base64 and quoted-printable encoded message bodies
were not decoded for display in the admindb interface. This is a bug
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/629738>. It was fiuxed in
Mailman 2.1.4.


> But if I approved this message it's send in readable format for all the user list. Why this can happens? I can't verify if it's appropriate content and I need to approve it to see it, it's not useful.
> 
> I use mailman 2.1.6 on red hat 4 server with sendmail server and ASSP server to block spam. Some test message appears fine and some other is unreadable.


Install Mailman 2.1.14 from source. If you are using a RedHat package,
see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/KYCB> and the mailman-developers
post linked therefrom before you do this.

Alternatively, you can copy the base64 encoded text and paste it into a
stand alone decoder.

Or, as Ralf suggests, if you set admin_immed_notify to Yes for the list,
you will get an email notice of the held post which should be readable.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From andrew at hodgsonfamily.org  Wed Dec  1 17:02:51 2010
From: andrew at hodgsonfamily.org (Andrew Hodgson)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:02:51 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count
In-Reply-To: <20101201155653.GE6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
References: <AANLkTinZeRV4jMFS2NNF2sq6M2PPoybkFfQxXEX7B-xe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201154026.GD20375@charite.de>
	<AANLkTimaJvZhfy150aGX1yXnZnFhV-xMyBQ3vppX1fJK@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201155653.GE6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
Message-ID: <3D928760FE9FD24A9F02C485C3F506650D3720B9F7@ELROND.hodgsonfamily.org>

Adam McGreggor wrote:

[...]

>http://lists.example.org/mailman/private/example-list.mbox/example-list.mbox, perhaps?

>(works for me).

Luckily that doesn't work here, I don't believe you should be able to directly download the mbox files like that.

Andrew.


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec  1 17:04:27 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 08:04:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count
In-Reply-To: <3D928760FE9FD24A9F02C485C3F506650D3720B9F6@ELROND.hodgsonfamily.org>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120108042707653a8c2898@MSAPIRO>

Andrew Hodgson wrote:

>David Doria wrote:
>
>>Is it possible to download the entire archive as one file?
>>I see that they are broken down into months:
>>http://www.vtk.org/pipermail/vtkusers/
>
>To get the .mbox file directly you will need to access the server and download the file as a privileged user.  It may be quite large due to the size of the archive.


You don't need shell/privileged access to the server to get the archive
mbox. You just need to be a list member.

Authenticate for private archive access by going to a URL like
<http://www.vtk.org/mailman/private/vtkusers/> and logging in. Then
get <http://www.vtk.org/mailman/private/vtkusers.mbox/vtkusers.mbox>.


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From andrew at hodgsonfamily.org  Wed Dec  1 17:10:11 2010
From: andrew at hodgsonfamily.org (Andrew Hodgson)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:10:11 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010120108042707653a8c2898@MSAPIRO>
References: <3D928760FE9FD24A9F02C485C3F506650D3720B9F6@ELROND.hodgsonfamily.org>
	<PC1952010120108042707653a8c2898@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <3D928760FE9FD24A9F02C485C3F506650D3720B9F8@ELROND.hodgsonfamily.org>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

[...]

>Andrew Hodgson wrote:

>>David Doria wrote:
>>
>>>Is it possible to download the entire archive as one file?
>>>I see that they are broken down into months:
>>>http://www.vtk.org/pipermail/vtkusers/
>>
>>To get the .mbox file directly you will need to access the server and download the file as a privileged user.  It may be quite large due to the >size of the archive.

>You don't need shell/privileged access to the server to get the archive mbox. You just need to be a list member.

>Authenticate for private archive access by going to a URL like <http://www.vtk.org/mailman/private/vtkusers/> and logging in. Then get ><http://www.vtk.org/mailman/private/vtkusers.mbox/vtkusers.mbox>.

Ah, didn't realise that was possible, disregard my previous message on this subject.  Authentication was the key point.

Andrew. 



From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Wed Dec  1 17:12:43 2010
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:12:43 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count
In-Reply-To: <3D928760FE9FD24A9F02C485C3F506650D3720B9F7@ELROND.hodgsonfamily.org>
References: <AANLkTinZeRV4jMFS2NNF2sq6M2PPoybkFfQxXEX7B-xe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201154026.GD20375@charite.de>
	<AANLkTimaJvZhfy150aGX1yXnZnFhV-xMyBQ3vppX1fJK@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201155653.GE6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
	<3D928760FE9FD24A9F02C485C3F506650D3720B9F7@ELROND.hodgsonfamily.org>
Message-ID: <20101201161243.GF6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 04:02:51PM +0000, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
> I don't believe you should be able to directly download the mbox files like that.

Why ever not? What's so different about grabbing one mbox at once,
rather than however many iterations/scraping?


-- 
"They accused us of suppressing freedom of expression.
 This was a lie and we could not let them publish it."
    -- Nelba Blandon (Nicaraguan Interior Ministry Director of Censorship)

From andrew at hodgsonfamily.org  Wed Dec  1 17:15:15 2010
From: andrew at hodgsonfamily.org (Andrew Hodgson)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:15:15 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count
In-Reply-To: <20101201161243.GF6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
References: <AANLkTinZeRV4jMFS2NNF2sq6M2PPoybkFfQxXEX7B-xe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201154026.GD20375@charite.de>
	<AANLkTimaJvZhfy150aGX1yXnZnFhV-xMyBQ3vppX1fJK@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201155653.GE6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
	<3D928760FE9FD24A9F02C485C3F506650D3720B9F7@ELROND.hodgsonfamily.org>
	<20101201161243.GF6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
Message-ID: <3D928760FE9FD24A9F02C485C3F506650D3720B9FB@ELROND.hodgsonfamily.org>

Adam McGreggor wrote:

[...]

>>On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 04:02:51PM +0000, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
>> I don't believe you should be able to directly download the mbox files like that.

>Why ever not? What's so different about grabbing one mbox at once, rather than however many iterations/scraping?

The point that I didn't grasp was that you needed to log into the private archives before you could in fact do this.  From your message I mistakenly thought that you could just directly grab the mbox without authentication.

Sorry about that.
Andrew.



From daviddoria at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 17:27:00 2010
From: daviddoria at gmail.com (David Doria)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 11:27:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count
In-Reply-To: <3D928760FE9FD24A9F02C485C3F506650D3720B9FB@ELROND.hodgsonfamily.org>
References: <AANLkTinZeRV4jMFS2NNF2sq6M2PPoybkFfQxXEX7B-xe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201154026.GD20375@charite.de>
	<AANLkTimaJvZhfy150aGX1yXnZnFhV-xMyBQ3vppX1fJK@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201155653.GE6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
	<3D928760FE9FD24A9F02C485C3F506650D3720B9F7@ELROND.hodgsonfamily.org>
	<20101201161243.GF6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
	<3D928760FE9FD24A9F02C485C3F506650D3720B9FB@ELROND.hodgsonfamily.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1gaP0d36rHaBckKrANkyhjEfWiCbugUpcZ8UD@mail.gmail.com>

Great, thanks everyone. I got the mbox file, now I just need to
construct clever queries :)

Thanks,

David

From scott.e.thomson at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 18:10:32 2010
From: scott.e.thomson at gmail.com (Scott Thomson)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 12:10:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Illegal address from config.db?
Message-ID: <AANLkTinFfJD4Rjm_eT7x+FJ80W33GDR9snmy-AoUNah9@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Folks,

Somehow an address is present in my config.db file for one of my lists that
is two email addresses mated into the same entry (ie "user1 at domain1.comuser2
@domain2.com").  The entry doesn't show up in the membership list nor does
it show up if you list_members for the list.  I only know its there because
one of my cron jobs turns it up, I was only able to manually find it by
greping some of the config files till I turned up a match.  I can't remove
it from the command line as the command line tools don't recognize it as a
member, nor can I remove it using the mass unsubscribe option from the admin
page for the same reason.

We're on Mailman 2.1.9, we've been using mailman for a long time, so its
very likely that the bad address was created in a previous version and
carried over.

So, I'm not sure what my best option is, there are only 38 members of the
list, are we better off recreating the list or is there a way to recreate
the subscriber list easily?  We also have searchable HTdig archives, so
recreating the list includes recreating that archive as well.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

Scott

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec  1 18:29:29 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:29:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Illegal address from config.db?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinFfJD4Rjm_eT7x+FJ80W33GDR9snmy-AoUNah9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012010929290781f94d68ea@MSAPIRO>

Scott Thomson wrote:
>
>Somehow an address is present in my config.db file for one of my lists that
>is two email addresses mated into the same entry (ie "user1 at domain1.comuser2
>@domain2.com").  The entry doesn't show up in the membership list nor does
>it show up if you list_members for the list.  I only know its there because
>one of my cron jobs turns it up, I was only able to manually find it by
>greping some of the config files till I turned up a match.  I can't remove
>it from the command line as the command line tools don't recognize it as a
>member, nor can I remove it using the mass unsubscribe option from the admin
>page for the same reason.
>
>We're on Mailman 2.1.9, we've been using mailman for a long time, so its
>very likely that the bad address was created in a previous version and
>carried over.


First of all, if you're on Mailman 2.1.9, you should remove all
lists/*/config.db* files from your installation. These are left over
from Mailman 2.0.x and contain obsolete data, but if present could be
used if a config.pck becomes corrupt. The current files are the
lists/*/config.pck* files.


>So, I'm not sure what my best option is, there are only 38 members of the
>list, are we better off recreating the list or is there a way to recreate
>the subscriber list easily?  We also have searchable HTdig archives, so
>recreating the list includes recreating that archive as well.
>
>Thanks for any help you can offer.


Run

bin/dumpdb lists/LISTNAME/config.pck

If the bad address is in that output, you can see in what attribute(s)
it exists and modify them manually with bin/withlist. Also, see the
FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/UIA9>.

If the bad address exists only in a config.db file, just remove the
file, but you may also need to see what apparently obsolete cron job
is accessing that file and why.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From clefler at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 05:15:04 2010
From: clefler at gmail.com (Christian Lefler)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 23:15:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin help
Message-ID: <003c01cb91d7$80a6ead0$81f4c070$@com>

I just started a new mailing list and its great.  I would like to know how
to keep subscribers from getting to any screen where they can manage their
settings or post to the list.  Basically I want to manage the list entirely
myself where subscribers simply receive emails and cannot respond.
Thanks for any help,
Christian

From guillaume.chartrand at Collanaud.Qc.Ca  Wed Dec  1 18:02:12 2010
From: guillaume.chartrand at Collanaud.Qc.Ca (Guillaume Chartrand)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:02:12 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending request email unreadable
In-Reply-To: <4CF67048.1080205@msapiro.net>
References: <23A9B7CAD2EEE64F8FC5BF1E8AB5345F0CAD20@csr-exch.Intranet.Collanaud.Qc.Ca>
	<4CF67048.1080205@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <23A9B7CAD2EEE64F8FC5BF1E8AB5345F0CB8E7@csr-exch.Intranet.Collanaud.Qc.Ca>

The admin_immed_notify is already set to Yes. The moderator receive a notification that they had pending request but on the notification they don't have the email who's moderated.

I will try to upgrade to other version like Mark Sapiro saids

Thank you

----------------------------
Guillaume Chartrand
Technicien informatique
C?gep r?gional de Lanaudi?re

-----Message d'origine-----
De?: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Envoy??: 1 d?cembre 2010 10:57
??: Guillaume Chartrand
Objet?: Re: [Mailman-Users] pending request email unreadable

On 11/30/2010 7:45 AM, Guillaume Chartrand wrote:
> Hi, I receive some pending request for a list who I'm the 
> administrator and moderator and in the message body on the web 
> interface is unreadable, it's just something like that 
> Sm9saSBib25uZXQgZGUgbGFpbmUgbGFpc3PDqSBwb3VyIG1vcnQgYXUgZGVybmllciBJbn
> RlckNB 
> Q0Ugw6AgQ2hpY291dGltaS4gSWwgZXN0IGJydW4gZXQgYmVpZ2UgYXZlYyBkZXMgb3JlaW
> xsZXMg 
> ZXQgZGVzIGxhbmnDqHJlcyBwb3VyIGF0dGFjaGVyIGF1IGNvdeKApi4NClF1ZWxxdeKAmX
> VuIGEg 
> Z2Vsw6kgZGVzIG9yZWlsbGVzIGxlIHdlZWstZW5kIGRlcm5pZXI/Pz8/DQoNCk1hbm9uIE
> xhcGll 
> cnJlDQpNYW5vbiBMYXBpZXJyZQ0KYWdlbnRlIGRlIG1pbGlldSBldCByZXNwb25zYWJsZS
> BkZSBs 
> J2Vudmlyb25uZW1lbnQNCmNvbnNlaWwgZGUgdmllIMOpdHVkaWFudGUNCkPDqWdlcCBkZS
> BjaGlj


In older releases, base64 and quoted-printable encoded message bodies were not decoded for display in the admindb interface. This is a bug <https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/629738>. It was fiuxed in Mailman 2.1.4.


> But if I approved this message it's send in readable format for all the user list. Why this can happens? I can't verify if it's appropriate content and I need to approve it to see it, it's not useful.
> 
> I use mailman 2.1.6 on red hat 4 server with sendmail server and ASSP server to block spam. Some test message appears fine and some other is unreadable.


Install Mailman 2.1.14 from source. If you are using a RedHat package, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/KYCB> and the mailman-developers post linked therefrom before you do this.

Alternatively, you can copy the base64 encoded text and paste it into a stand alone decoder.

Or, as Ralf suggests, if you set admin_immed_notify to Yes for the list, you will get an email notice of the held post which should be readable.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

.

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  2 07:39:50 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 22:39:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending request email unreadable
In-Reply-To: <23A9B7CAD2EEE64F8FC5BF1E8AB5345F0CB8E7@csr-exch.Intranet.Collanaud.Qc.Ca>
References: <23A9B7CAD2EEE64F8FC5BF1E8AB5345F0CAD20@csr-exch.Intranet.Collanaud.Qc.Ca>	<4CF67048.1080205@msapiro.net>
	<23A9B7CAD2EEE64F8FC5BF1E8AB5345F0CB8E7@csr-exch.Intranet.Collanaud.Qc.Ca>
Message-ID: <4CF73F36.80306@msapiro.net>

On 12/1/2010 9:02 AM, Guillaume Chartrand wrote:
> The admin_immed_notify is already set to Yes. The moderator receive a notification that they had pending request but on the notification they don't have the email who's moderated.


The list admins and moderators always receive a daily summary of held
messages and other requests. This does not include the text of the messages.

When admin_immed_notify is set to Yes, they also receive a message each
time a post is held. This is sent at the time the post is received by
the list and held and it contains the actual held message as an
attachment, and it should be viewable in decoded form in most MUAs.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rgm at htt-consult.com  Thu Dec  2 15:35:57 2010
From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 09:35:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help in understanding Mailman setup
Message-ID: <4CF7AECD.8000904@htt-consult.com>

I have been plowing through the Mailman documentation and trying some 
things on a test system and need lots of help.

First my system is Fedora 12 with Postfix and an SQL database for the 
users, virtual domains, forwarders, and transport.  See:  
http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-domains-postfix-courier-mysql-squirrelmail-fedora-12-x86_64

So I installed Mailman, ran the script to set its password, then the 
modified the config file to support virtual host 
(http:/mailman.domain.com/mailman) and postfix.  After this, I could run 
the script that created the mailman list that then prints a bunch of 
entries to add to /etc/aliases.  I am having major problems with these 
aliases.  I don't know how to put commands in the SQL database (perhaps 
it SHOULD work with the forwarder table) and the SQL virtual domain 
setup is NOT working with what Mailman is expecting and these aliases 
commands.  So that is one problem I am not figuring out.

But I went and created a second list via the http://...../mailman/create 
URL.  Where is the information about this list kept?  I can't find it.  
No changes were made to /etc/aliases for this new list.  Perhaps if I 
saw what a web created list needed I might figure out a way to get 
things integrated.

I have asked over on the postfix list if anyone there is running Postfix 
with SQL and mailman and so far only one person has piped up siging the 
praises of Postfix with the SQL backend, but nothing on Mailman.  So I 
need a bit of help here...



From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  2 16:45:50 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 07:45:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help in understanding Mailman setup
In-Reply-To: <4CF7AECD.8000904@htt-consult.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012020745500343cc883d89@MSAPIRO>

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>First my system is Fedora 12 with Postfix and an SQL database for the 
>users, virtual domains, forwarders, and transport.  See:  
>http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-domains-postfix-courier-mysql-squirrelmail-fedora-12-x86_64
>
>So I installed Mailman, ran the script to set its password, then the 
>modified the config file to support virtual host 
>(http:/mailman.domain.com/mailman) and postfix.  After this, I could run 
>the script that created the mailman list that then prints a bunch of 
>entries to add to /etc/aliases.  I am having major problems with these 
>aliases.  I don't know how to put commands in the SQL database (perhaps 
>it SHOULD work with the forwarder table) and the SQL virtual domain 
>setup is NOT working with what Mailman is expecting and these aliases 
>commands.  So that is one problem I am not figuring out.


See below.


>But I went and created a second list via the http://...../mailman/create 
>URL.  Where is the information about this list kept?  I can't find it.  
>No changes were made to /etc/aliases for this new list.  Perhaps if I 
>saw what a web created list needed I might figure out a way to get 
>things integrated.


All of a list's configuration and membership date is in Mailman's
lists/LISTNAME/ directory in a Python pickle file named config.pck.
You should see both a mailman/ directory and a <second_listname>/
directory, ewch containing config.pck, config.pck.last and possibly a
few other files.

You may be thinking that the 'mailman' list data is in the file
data/sitelist.cfg. That is not the case. The data/sitelist.cfg is a
suggestion intended to be used as input to config_list for the site
list because normal defaults may not be appropriate for the site list.
I.e.,

  bin/config_list -i data/sitelist.cfg mailman


>I have asked over on the postfix list if anyone there is running Postfix 
>with SQL and mailman and so far only one person has piped up siging the 
>praises of Postfix with the SQL backend, but nothing on Mailman.  So I 
>need a bit of help here...


Mailman's aliases must be processed by Postfix's local delivery module.
If you are dealing with them manually, they can be put in
/etc/aliases, or Mailman/Postfix can be configured to generate them
automatically. However, this assumes that the delivery module for the
domain is Postfix local delivery. If you have put something in main.cf
that uses some other delivery for the mailman.domain.com domain. In
that case, you may find the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/ZoCj> of
interest.

If you need further help, please post the output of 'postconf -n', the
relevant parts of main.cf and the delivery status message from the
Postfix log or the received DSN when you attempt to mail to a list
address.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From b19141 at anl.gov  Thu Dec  2 17:20:23 2010
From: b19141 at anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Thu,  2 Dec 2010 10:20:23 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting an Address Enclosed in Apostrophes
Message-ID: <20101202162023.3581642C41@britaine.cis.anl.gov>

I have a script that I use to add an address to

     accept_these_nonmembers

It uses

     "mlist.accept_these_nonmembers.append('$1')"

Is there a way I can invoke this C-shell script so that
the address is surrounded by apostrophes?  I want the resulting
address to be

     'user at example.com'

I tried invoking my script

      ..... 'user at example.com'

but that did not preserve the apostrophes.  I am not sure if this
is a C-shell question, or a Mailman-python question, or both.
Thanks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 240, Room 5.B.8             Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  2 18:11:16 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 09:11:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting an Address Enclosed in Apostrophes
In-Reply-To: <20101202162023.3581642C41@britaine.cis.anl.gov>
Message-ID: <PC195201012020911160281116b01a9@MSAPIRO>

Barry Finkel wrote:

>I have a script that I use to add an address to
>
>     accept_these_nonmembers
>
>It uses
>
>     "mlist.accept_these_nonmembers.append('$1')"
>
>Is there a way I can invoke this C-shell script so that
>the address is surrounded by apostrophes?  I want the resulting
>address to be
>
>     'user at example.com'
>
>I tried invoking my script
>
>      ..... 'user at example.com'
>
>but that did not preserve the apostrophes.  I am not sure if this
>is a C-shell question, or a Mailman-python question, or both.


You could try invoking your script as

      ..... \\\'user at example.com\\\'

This will cause $1 to be \'user at example.com\' and
mlist.accept_these_nonmembers.append('\'user at example.com\'') should do
what you want.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rgm at htt-consult.com  Fri Dec  3 00:32:20 2010
From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 18:32:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help in understanding Mailman setup
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012020745500343cc883d89@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201012020745500343cc883d89@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4CF82C84.2010505@htt-consult.com>

Major success.  See below.

On 12/02/2010 10:45 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>    
>> First my system is Fedora 12 with Postfix and an SQL database for the
>> users, virtual domains, forwarders, and transport.  See:
>> http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-domains-postfix-courier-mysql-squirrelmail-fedora-12-x86_64
>>
>> So I installed Mailman, ran the script to set its password, then the
>> modified the config file to support virtual host
>> (http:/mailman.domain.com/mailman) and postfix.  After this, I could run
>> the script that created the mailman list that then prints a bunch of
>> entries to add to /etc/aliases.  I am having major problems with these
>> aliases.  I don't know how to put commands in the SQL database (perhaps
>> it SHOULD work with the forwarder table) and the SQL virtual domain
>> setup is NOT working with what Mailman is expecting and these aliases
>> commands.  So that is one problem I am not figuring out.
>>      
>
> See below.
>
>
>    
>> But I went and created a second list via the http://...../mailman/create
>> URL.  Where is the information about this list kept?  I can't find it.
>> No changes were made to /etc/aliases for this new list.  Perhaps if I
>> saw what a web created list needed I might figure out a way to get
>> things integrated.
>>      
>
> All of a list's configuration and membership date is in Mailman's
> lists/LISTNAME/ directory in a Python pickle file named config.pck.
> You should see both a mailman/ directory and a<second_listname>/
> directory, ewch containing config.pck, config.pck.last and possibly a
> few other files.
>    


On this fedora 12 system I finally found the directory at:

/var/lib/mailman/lists

Is there a 'good' way to list the content of the config.pck file?  
special characters in it.
> You may be thinking that the 'mailman' list data is in the file
> data/sitelist.cfg. That is not the case. The data/sitelist.cfg is a
> suggestion intended to be used as input to config_list for the site
> list because normal defaults may not be appropriate for the site list.
> I.e.,
>
>    bin/config_list -i data/sitelist.cfg mailman
>
>
>    
>> I have asked over on the postfix list if anyone there is running Postfix
>> with SQL and mailman and so far only one person has piped up siging the
>> praises of Postfix with the SQL backend, but nothing on Mailman.  So I
>> need a bit of help here...
>>      
>
> Mailman's aliases must be processed by Postfix's local delivery module.
> If you are dealing with them manually, they can be put in
> /etc/aliases, or Mailman/Postfix can be configured to generate them
> automatically. However, this assumes that the delivery module for the
> domain is Postfix local delivery. If you have put something in main.cf
> that uses some other delivery for the mailman.domain.com domain. In
> that case, you may find the FAQ at<http://wiki.list.org/x/ZoCj>  of
> interest.
>    

this is the same as the doc files I have been reading.  So I studied 
postfix a bit more and took a plunge and got most things working.  
Rather I got the list I created with the web interface working, but not 
the mailman list I created with the script in the beginning.  Now that 
might have been because I did not have other things set up right.

I have one test user subscribed to both the 'mailman' and the 'newlist' 
lists.  The 'newlist' works.  But with the 'mailman' list I get the error:

<mailman at mailman.htt-consult.com>: mail for mailman.htt-consult.com 
loops back to myself

Note this is the same domain as newlist at mailman.htt-consult.com  And 
mailman.htt-consult.com is a virtual host name.

> If you need further help, please post the output of 'postconf -n', the
> relevant parts of main.cf and the delivery status message from the
> Postfix log or the received DSN when you attempt to mail to a list
> address.

When I first ran the '.../newlist mailman' it created the mailman list 
and printed out lines to add to /etc/aliases and then to run 
newaliases.  Now when I ran this I had NOT added the MTA line to the 
mm_cfg.py file and that might have been why it was printed in this 
manner?  Anyway below is my current mm_cfg.py and output from 'postconf 
-n'.  I am planning on doing a rebuild of the system and see if I can 
get through in one go-around a complete system build.  If I can, then I 
can move my mail folders over from the running system and go live with 
the new.  If not, well some more fiddling until I can try again....

mm-cfg.py (comment lines pulled for compactness):

# -*- python -*-

from Defaults import *
import pwd, grp

MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]
MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam('mailman')[2]

from socket import *
try:
     fqdn = getfqdn()
except:
     fqdn = 'mm_cfg_has_unknown_host_domains'

DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'mailman.htt-consult.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailman.htt-consult.com'

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 'mailman.htt-consult.com'

MTA = 'Postfix'


postconf -n:

alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases
broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
command_directory = /usr/sbin
config_directory = /etc/postfix
content_filter = amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
data_directory = /var/lib/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
html_directory = no
inet_interfaces = all
inet_protocols = all
mail_owner = postfix
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq.postfix
manpage_directory = /usr/share/man
mydestination = klovia.htt-consult.com, localhost, localhost.localdomain
myhostname = klovia.htt-consult.com
mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases.postfix
proxy_read_maps = $local_recipient_maps $mydestination 
$virtual_alias_maps $virtual_alias_domains $virtual_mailbox_maps 
$virtual_mailbox_domains $relay_recipient_maps $relay_domains 
$canonical_maps $sender_canonical_maps $recipient_canonical_maps 
$relocated_maps $transport_maps $mynetworks $virtual_mailbox_limit_maps
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.6.5/README_FILES
receive_override_options = no_address_mappings
sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.6.5/samples
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix
setgid_group = postdrop
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, 
permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtpd_sasl_authenticated_header = yes
smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/postfix/smtpd.cert
smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/postfix/smtpd.key
smtpd_use_tls = yes
transport_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_transports.cf
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
virtual_alias_domains =
virtual_alias_maps = 
proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_forwardings.cf, 
mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_email2email.cf, 
hash:/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman
virtual_gid_maps = static:5000
virtual_mailbox_base = /home/vmail
virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_domains.cf
virtual_mailbox_limit_maps = 
proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_mailbox_limit_maps.cf
virtual_mailbox_limit_override = yes
virtual_mailbox_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_mailboxes.cf
virtual_maildir_extended = yes
virtual_maildir_limit_message = The user you are trying to reach is over 
quota.
virtual_overquota_bounce = yes
virtual_uid_maps = static:5000



From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Dec  3 01:21:55 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 16:21:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help in understanding Mailman setup
In-Reply-To: <4CF82C84.2010505@htt-consult.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012021621550390f1519dbd@MSAPIRO>

Robert Moskowitz wrote:

>Major success.  See below.
>
[...]
>On this fedora 12 system I finally found the directory at:
>
>/var/lib/mailman/lists


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/KYCB>.


>Is there a 'good' way to list the content of the config.pck file?  
>special characters in it.


/usr/lib/mailman/bin/dumpdb /var/lib/mailman/lists/LISTNAME/config.pck


[...]
>this is the same as the doc files I have been reading.  So I studied 
>postfix a bit more and took a plunge and got most things working.  
>Rather I got the list I created with the web interface working, but not 
>the mailman list I created with the script in the beginning.  Now that 
>might have been because I did not have other things set up right.
>
>I have one test user subscribed to both the 'mailman' and the 'newlist' 
>lists.  The 'newlist' works.  But with the 'mailman' list I get the error:
>
><mailman at mailman.htt-consult.com>: mail for mailman.htt-consult.com 
>loops back to myself
>
>Note this is the same domain as newlist at mailman.htt-consult.com  And 
>mailman.htt-consult.com is a virtual host name.


I'm guessing you followed the Postfix integration instructions as
indicated by the below, but you had previously created the 'mailman'
list so its virtual mappings are not in virtual-mailman.

Run as root or mailman

  /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases

to rebuild the aliases and virtual-mailman files from the current
config.


>> If you need further help, please post the output of 'postconf -n', the
>> relevant parts of main.cf and the delivery status message from the
>> Postfix log or the received DSN when you attempt to mail to a list
>> address.
>
>When I first ran the '.../newlist mailman' it created the mailman list 
>and printed out lines to add to /etc/aliases and then to run 
>newaliases.  Now when I ran this I had NOT added the MTA line to the 
>mm_cfg.py file and that might have been why it was printed in this 
>manner?  Anyway below is my current mm_cfg.py and output from 'postconf 
>-n'.  I am planning on doing a rebuild of the system and see if I can 
>get through in one go-around a complete system build.  If I can, then I 
>can move my mail folders over from the running system and go live with 
>the new.  If not, well some more fiddling until I can try again....
>
>mm-cfg.py (comment lines pulled for compactness):
>
[...]
>
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'mailman.htt-consult.com'
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailman.htt-consult.com'
>
>VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
>POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 'mailman.htt-consult.com'


The above is a problem. It needs to be a sequence of domains, not a
single domain. This needs to be fixed before running genaliases. Make
it

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['mailman.htt-consult.com']

The square brackets are important.


>MTA = 'Postfix'
>
>
>postconf -n:
>
[...]

This looks OK to me. The important things are the mailman entries in 

alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases

and

virtual_alias_maps = 
 proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_forwardings.cf, 
 mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_email2email.cf, 
 hash:/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman

However, you probably also want

recipient_delimiter = +

if you are ever going to enable any VERP options in Mailman.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Fri Dec  3 17:23:57 2010
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 16:23:57 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin help
In-Reply-To: <003c01cb91d7$80a6ead0$81f4c070$@com>
References: <003c01cb91d7$80a6ead0$81f4c070$@com>
Message-ID: <20101203162357.GY6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 11:15:04PM -0500, Christian Lefler wrote:
> I just started a new mailing list and its great.  I would like to know how
> to keep subscribers from getting to any screen 

by "screen" I'm assuming that you mean "web page".

> where they can manage their settings or post to the list.  

That's entirely down to your HTTPD configuration -- and how you wish
to control access. 

And, perhaps more important to end-user, how you will provide
mechanisms for unsubscriptions.

> Basically I want to manage the list entirely
> myself where subscribers simply receive emails and cannot respond.

Search for 'announce' on http://wiki.list.org

-- 
"Twenty-two minutes late, badger ate a junction box at New Malden."
    ('The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin')

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Fri Dec  3 17:57:30 2010
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 16:57:30 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=dujzQf+QNRNvqwkZDes6Qjh5XBCtwzqWFcWLT@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003c01cb91d7$80a6ead0$81f4c070$@com>
	<20101203162357.GY6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
	<AANLkTi=dujzQf+QNRNvqwkZDes6Qjh5XBCtwzqWFcWLT@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101203165730.GA6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 11:30:56AM -0500, Gary Mort wrote:
> I'd say it should also be fairly important to him as well considering
> current spam legislation and the penalties associated with not providing an
> opt out mechanism.

Your Jurisdiction May Vary.

(YJMV)

-- 
"In this world there are only two tragedies. One is not getting what
 one wants, and the other is getting it. "
    -- Mr Dumby, (Lady Windermere's Fan)

From garyamort at gmail.com  Fri Dec  3 17:30:56 2010
From: garyamort at gmail.com (Gary Mort)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:30:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin help
In-Reply-To: <20101203162357.GY6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
References: <003c01cb91d7$80a6ead0$81f4c070$@com>
	<20101203162357.GY6970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=dujzQf+QNRNvqwkZDes6Qjh5XBCtwzqWFcWLT@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Adam McGreggor <adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk>wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 11:15:04PM -0500, Christian Lefler wrote:
> > I just started a new mailing list and its great.  I would like to know
> how
> > to keep subscribers from getting to any screen
>
> by "screen" I'm assuming that you mean "web page".
>
> > where they can manage their settings or post to the list.
>
> That's entirely down to your HTTPD configuration -- and how you wish
> to control access.
>
> And, perhaps more important to end-user, how you will provide
> mechanisms for unsubscriptions.
>
>
I'd say it should also be fairly important to him as well considering
current spam legislation and the penalties associated with not providing an
opt out mechanism.

From knabe at 4j.lane.edu  Fri Dec  3 17:48:06 2010
From: knabe at 4j.lane.edu (Troy Knabe)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:48:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Self Subscription Failing
Message-ID: <C91E5F46.60EB1%knabe@4j.lane.edu>

We use mailman primarily for internal mail lists, but recently I had a
request for an external lists that users could subscribe/unsubscribe to via
email listname-join, etc.

When I send to listname-join I see an entry in the subscribe log for
listname: pending emailaddress, but the user never receives the confirmation
email.  

Dec  3 07:57:42 mx2 sendmail[22248]: oB3Fve9T022246:
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join foo",
ctladdr=<foo-join at domain.com> (47/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=prog, pri=3327, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent




From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Dec  3 19:09:43 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 10:09:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Self Subscription Failing
In-Reply-To: <C91E5F46.60EB1%knabe@4j.lane.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120310094306877bfbe89a@MSAPIRO>

Troy Knabe wrote:
>
>When I send to listname-join I see an entry in the subscribe log for
>listname: pending emailaddress, but the user never receives the confirmation
>email.  
>
>Dec  3 07:57:42 mx2 sendmail[22248]: oB3Fve9T022246:
>to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join foo",
>ctladdr=<foo-join at domain.com> (47/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00,
>mailer=prog, pri=3327, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent


The above log message is the delivery to Mailman of the original mail
to foo-join at domain.com. We know that that succeeded because there is
now a pending subscription waiting for confirmation per the subscribe
log. This log entry is written immediately after sending the
confirmation request email.

So, what's in the sendmail (or other outgoing MTA) log for that
confirmation request message from Mailman?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From knabe at 4j.lane.edu  Fri Dec  3 19:35:47 2010
From: knabe at 4j.lane.edu (Troy Knabe)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 10:35:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Self Subscription Failing
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010120310094306877bfbe89a@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <C91E7855.60EC1%knabe@4j.lane.edu>

There is no other entry in the mta log.  That was the last log entry
regarding this transaction.

-Troy


On 12/3/10 10:09 AM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

>Troy Knabe wrote:
>>
>>When I send to listname-join I see an entry in the subscribe log for
>>listname: pending emailaddress, but the user never receives the
>>confirmation
>>email.  
>>
>>Dec  3 07:57:42 mx2 sendmail[22248]: oB3Fve9T022246:
>>to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join foo",
>>ctladdr=<foo-join at domain.com> (47/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00,
>>mailer=prog, pri=3327, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
>
>
>The above log message is the delivery to Mailman of the original mail
>to foo-join at domain.com. We know that that succeeded because there is
>now a pending subscription waiting for confirmation per the subscribe
>log. This log entry is written immediately after sending the
>confirmation request email.
>
>So, what's in the sendmail (or other outgoing MTA) log for that
>confirmation request message from Mailman?
>
>-- 
>Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
>San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>



From phanh at canby.k12.or.us  Fri Dec  3 19:32:30 2010
From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 10:32:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription messages don't send out
Message-ID: <8762392B-960A-49FB-8ECF-33D117A732CB@canby.k12.or.us>

Hello,

We found that our Mailman doesn't send out the subscription confirmation messages for some lists but not all lists. The subscribe and smtp logs have the correspondence entries reflect the subscription and the confirmation message send out. In the exim log, we found this:

2010-12-02 12:26:12 1POFjI-0000ff-J2 <= listserv_test-bounces at mailman.domain H=localhost (localhost.localdomain) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=2059 id=mailman.0.1291321571.2582.listserv_test at mailman.domain
2010-12-02 12:10:32 1POFU7-0000EJ-1n ** testuser-owner at canby.k12.or.us R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<testuser-owner at canby.k12.or.us>: host canby.k12.or.us.s9a1.psmtp.com [74.125.148.10]: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try\n550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or\n550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. Learn more at\n550 5.1.1 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6596 u3si2832748ybe.73
2010-12-02 12:26:13 1POFjJ-0000fi-Ly <= <> R=1POFjI-0000ff-J2 U=exim P=local S=3394
2010-12-02 12:26:13 1POFjI-0000ff-J2 Completed
2010-12-02 12:26:14 1POFjJ-0000fi-Ly => listserv_test <listserv_test-bounces at mailman.domain> R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport
2010-12-02 12:26:14 1POFjJ-0000fi-Ly Completed

This testuser at canby.k12.or.us exists and able send/receive email without issue. 

Thank you for any advice

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Dec  3 20:12:00 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:12:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Self Subscription Failing
In-Reply-To: <C91E7855.60EC1%knabe@4j.lane.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120311120007653b032afd@MSAPIRO>

Troy Knabe wrote:

>There is no other entry in the mta log.  That was the last log entry
>regarding this transaction.


It would not be regarding this transaction. This transaction ended with
the pipe to "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join foo".

The confirmation would be a totally separate transaction beginning a
second or so later, probably with the same time stamp as the subscribe
log entry, for a message from foo-bounces at domain.com (or possibly
foo-bounces+user=example.com at domain.com if VERPed) with a mailman
generated message id like <mailman.n.nnnnnnnn.nnn.foo at domain.com>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Dec  3 20:26:12 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:26:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription messages don't send out
In-Reply-To: <8762392B-960A-49FB-8ECF-33D117A732CB@canby.k12.or.us>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120311261206563b032a9c@MSAPIRO>

Hung Phan wrote:
>
>We found that our Mailman doesn't send out the subscription confirmation messages for some lists but not all lists. The subscribe and smtp logs have the correspondence entries reflect the subscription and the confirmation message send out. In the exim log, we found this:
>
>2010-12-02 12:26:12 1POFjI-0000ff-J2 <= listserv_test-bounces at mailman.domain H=localhost (localhost.localdomain) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=2059 id=mailman.0.1291321571.2582.listserv_test at mailman.domain
>2010-12-02 12:10:32 1POFU7-0000EJ-1n ** testuser-owner at canby.k12.or.us R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<testuser-owner at canby.k12.or.us>: host canby.k12.or.us.s9a1.psmtp.com [74.125.148.10]: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try\n550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or\n550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. Learn more at\n550 5.1.1 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6596 u3si2832748ybe.73
>2010-12-02 12:26:13 1POFjJ-0000fi-Ly <= <> R=1POFjI-0000ff-J2 U=exim P=local S=3394
>2010-12-02 12:26:13 1POFjI-0000ff-J2 Completed
>2010-12-02 12:26:14 1POFjJ-0000fi-Ly => listserv_test <listserv_test-bounces at mailman.domain> R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport
>2010-12-02 12:26:14 1POFjJ-0000fi-Ly Completed
>
>This testuser at canby.k12.or.us exists and able send/receive email without issue. 


Yes, but the message is being sent to testuser-owner at canby.k12.or.us
and the MX at canby.k12.or.us.s9a1.psmtp.com (postini ?) and that MX
doesn't know how to deliver to that address.

The problem is your list is configured with umbrella_list = Yes so all
administrative messages for member at example.com are sent to
member-owner at example.com (or whatever umbrella_member_suffix is set
to).

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From knabe at 4j.lane.edu  Fri Dec  3 21:53:37 2010
From: knabe at 4j.lane.edu (Troy Knabe)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 12:53:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Self Subscription Failing
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010120311120007653b032afd@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC1952010120311120007653b032afd@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <19199690-BF31-4BBD-943B-F1F0F1392AEB@4j.lane.edu>

Dec  3 08:25:39 mx2 sendmail[24159]: oB3GPd7A024159: from=<foo-bounces at domain.com>, size=766, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<mailman.0.1291393538.21106.foo at domain.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]

And localhost is in /etc/hosts.
-Troy



On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:12 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Troy Knabe wrote:
> 
>> There is no other entry in the mta log.  That was the last log entry
>> regarding this transaction.
> 
> 
> It would not be regarding this transaction. This transaction ended with
> the pipe to "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join foo".
> 
> The confirmation would be a totally separate transaction beginning a
> second or so later, probably with the same time stamp as the subscribe
> log entry, for a message from foo-bounces at domain.com (or possibly
> foo-bounces+user=example.com at domain.com if VERPed) with a mailman
> generated message id like <mailman.n.nnnnnnnn.nnn.foo at domain.com>.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Dec  4 00:04:10 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 15:04:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Self Subscription Failing
In-Reply-To: <19199690-BF31-4BBD-943B-F1F0F1392AEB@4j.lane.edu>
References: <PC1952010120311120007653b032afd@MSAPIRO>
	<19199690-BF31-4BBD-943B-F1F0F1392AEB@4j.lane.edu>
Message-ID: <4CF9776A.1010709@msapiro.net>

On 12/3/2010 12:53 PM, Troy Knabe wrote:
> Dec  3 08:25:39 mx2 sendmail[24159]: oB3GPd7A024159: from=<foo-bounces at domain.com>, size=766, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<mailman.0.1291393538.21106.foo at domain.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
> 
> And localhost is in /etc/hosts.


And what are the rest of the log messages for this queue id
(oB3GPd7A024159). In particular, the one showing the disposition of the
message?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 06:04:47 2010
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JRC Groups)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 21:04:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
Message-ID: <C9205D6F.1891B1%joemailgroups@gmail>

Hello, All.

I've just set up my first Mailman mailing list in OS X Server. It sends mail
as welcome notifications were received by several different members
subscribed to the mailing list. However, it doesn't seem to be receiving
e-mail. All attempts I've made have resulted in Delivery Failure
Notifications.

This is the text returned with this Delivery Failure Notifications:

> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>
>      list at 3domain.com
>
> Technical details of permanent failure:
> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient
> domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further
> information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server
> returned was: 550 550 5.1.1 <list at domain.com>: Recipient address rejected:
> User unknown in virtual alias table (state 14).

What could be the cause ?

In order for a Mailman list to work properly do I need to create an account
for it in Workgroup Manager with its e-mail address ?

Sorry if this is a simple question but I am not an IT specialist and don't
have any experience with Mailman.

Thank you in advance,

Joe



From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Dec  5 17:36:27 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 08:36:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <C9205D6F.1891B1%joemailgroups@gmail>
Message-ID: <PC195201012050836270468a3c50aef@MSAPIRO>

JRC Groups wrote:
>
>This is the text returned with this Delivery Failure Notifications:
>
>> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>>
>>      list at 3domain.com
>>
>> Technical details of permanent failure:
>> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient
>> domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further
>> information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server
>> returned was: 550 550 5.1.1 <list at domain.com>: Recipient address rejected:
>> User unknown in virtual alias table (state 14).
>
>What could be the cause ?


If your MTA is Postfix, you don't have entries for list at domain.com and
the list-* administrative addresses in a virtual_alias_maps file.

If it's some other MTA you have the equivalent issue.


>In order for a Mailman list to work properly do I need to create an account
>for it in Workgroup Manager with its e-mail address ?


No.


If you are using Apple's package, this is really a question for Apple,
but we can try to help. If the MTA is Postfix, post the output from
"sudo postconf -n". Also include a listing of the contents of
Mailman's mm_cfg.py.

Did you create the list with Mailman's bin/newlist, Mailman's web
interface or Apple's GUI?

See <http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node12.html> and its
subsections 6.1.1 and 6.1.2. Also see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/QoA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rgm at htt-consult.com  Mon Dec  6 07:04:38 2010
From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 01:04:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re: Help in
 understanding Mailman setup
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012021621550390f1519dbd@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201012021621550390f1519dbd@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4CFC7CF6.5060505@htt-consult.com>

I have totally rebuilt my system and am trying to 'Do It Right The First 
Time' (DIRTFT).

Not quite succeeding.  See below, I am hung up with no 
/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman

On 12/02/2010 07:21 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>    
>> On this fedora 12 system I finally found the directory at:
>>
>>      
>
> [...]
>    
>> this is the same as the doc files I have been reading.  So I studied
>> postfix a bit more and took a plunge and got most things working.
>> Rather I got the list I created with the web interface working, but not
>> the mailman list I created with the script in the beginning.  Now that
>> might have been because I did not have other things set up right.
>>
>> I have one test user subscribed to both the 'mailman' and the 'newlist'
>> lists.  The 'newlist' works.  But with the 'mailman' list I get the error:
>>
>> <mailman at mailman.htt-consult.com>: mail for mailman.htt-consult.com
>> loops back to myself
>>
>> Note this is the same domain as newlist at mailman.htt-consult.com  And
>> mailman.htt-consult.com is a virtual host name.
>>      
>
> I'm guessing you followed the Postfix integration instructions as
> indicated by the below, but you had previously created the 'mailman'
> list so its virtual mappings are not in virtual-mailman.
>    

This time I 'thought' I had everything together.  I had my mm_cfg.py 
configured as before; I had copied it from the system before the 
reinstall and just overwrote what was there.  I modified 
/etc/postfix/main.cf as instructed.  I was able to run the:

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist mailman

And it created the /etc/mailman/aliases and aliases.db files.  But no 
virtual-mailman files.  Ooops.  I did not setup a SQL table entry for my 
virtual host:  mailman.htt-consult.com.    I went back and added this to 
the domain table and ran the


> Run as root or mailman
>
>    /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases
>
> to rebuild the aliases and virtual-mailman files from the current
> config.
>    


But still no virtual-mailman.  Also I am not getting the URL 
http://mailman.htt-consult.com/mailman to work.  I **THINK** I have 
properly merged the Amahi template with the mailman.conf files in 
/etc/httpd/conf.d/  But either I still have it wrong, or the lack of the 
virtual-mailman files is impacting this as well.

So do I delete the mailman list (how?) and try again???


>
>    
>>> If you need further help, please post the output of 'postconf -n', the
>>> relevant parts of main.cf and the delivery status message from the
>>> Postfix log or the received DSN when you attempt to mail to a list
>>> address.
>>>        
>> When I first ran the '.../newlist mailman' it created the mailman list
>> and printed out lines to add to /etc/aliases and then to run
>> newaliases.  Now when I ran this I had NOT added the MTA line to the
>> mm_cfg.py file and that might have been why it was printed in this
>> manner?  Anyway below is my current mm_cfg.py and output from 'postconf
>> -n'.  I am planning on doing a rebuild of the system and see if I can
>> get through in one go-around a complete system build.  If I can, then I
>> can move my mail folders over from the running system and go live with
>> the new.  If not, well some more fiddling until I can try again....
>>
>> mm-cfg.py (comment lines pulled for compactness):
>>
>>      
> [...]
>    
>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'mailman.htt-consult.com'
>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailman.htt-consult.com'
>>
>> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>>
>> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 'mailman.htt-consult.com'
>>      
>
> The above is a problem. It needs to be a sequence of domains, not a
> single domain. This needs to be fixed before running genaliases. Make
> it
>
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['mailman.htt-consult.com']
>
> The square brackets are important.
>
>
>    
>> MTA = 'Postfix'
>>
>>
>> postconf -n:
>>
>>      
> [...]
>
> This looks OK to me. The important things are the mailman entries in
>
> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases
>
> and
>
> virtual_alias_maps =
>   proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_forwardings.cf,
>   mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_email2email.cf,
>   hash:/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman
>
> However, you probably also want
>
> recipient_delimiter = +
>
> if you are ever going to enable any VERP options in Mailman.

I got this right this time...

I think  :)



From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 07:22:15 2010
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JRC Groups)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:22:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012050836270468a3c50aef@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <C921C117.18926D%joemailgroups@gmail>

On 12/5/10 8:36 AM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> JRC Groups wrote:
>> 
>> This is the text returned with this Delivery Failure Notifications:
>> 
>>> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>>> 
>>>      list at 3domain.com
>>> 
>>> Technical details of permanent failure:
>>> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient
>>> domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further
>>> information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server
>>> returned was: 550 550 5.1.1 <list at domain.com>: Recipient address rejected:
>>> User unknown in virtual alias table (state 14).
>> 
>> What could be the cause ?
> 
> 
> If your MTA is Postfix, you don't have entries for list at domain.com and
> the list-* administrative addresses in a virtual_alias_maps file.
> 
> If it's some other MTA you have the equivalent issue.
> 
> 
>> In order for a Mailman list to work properly do I need to create an account
>> for it in Workgroup Manager with its e-mail address ?
> 
> 
> No.
>  
> If you are using Apple's package, this is really a question for Apple,
> but we can try to help. If the MTA is Postfix, post the output from
> "sudo postconf -n". Also include a listing of the contents of
> Mailman's mm_cfg.py.

I am posting the output from "sudo postconf -n" in a following post to keep
it separate from my answers here for clarity's sake. I tried to find the
mm_cfg.py file but couldn't locate it. A spotlight search in OS X returned
no entries under this name. Even a spotlight search under mailman returned
no entries. Where would this file be located ?
 
> Did you create the list with Mailman's bin/newlist, Mailman's web
> interface or Apple's GUI?

I created the list using Apple's GUI and then used Mailman's web interface
to configure and change some settings according to the needs of the list I
created.

> See <http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node12.html> and its
> subsections 6.1.1 and 6.1.2. Also see the FAQ at
> <http://wiki.list.org/x/QoA9>.

Thank you,


Joe



From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 07:26:46 2010
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JRC Groups)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:26:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012050836270468a3c50aef@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <C921C226.18926F%joemailgroups@gmail>

On 12/5/10 8:36 AM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:


> If you are using Apple's package, this is really a question for Apple,
> but we can try to help. If the MTA is Postfix, post the output from
> "sudo postconf -n". Also include a listing of the contents of
> Mailman's mm_cfg.py.

Output from the "sudo postconf -n" command:


alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases,hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases
biff = no
command_directory = /usr/sbin
config_directory = /etc/postfix
content_filter = smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
enable_server_options = yes
header_checks = pcre:/etc/postfix/custom_header_checks
html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html
inet_interfaces = all
mail_owner = _postfix
mailbox_size_limit = 0
mailbox_transport = dovecot
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq
manpage_directory = /usr/share/man
message_size_limit = 0
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain
mydomain = main.private
mydomain_fallback = localhost
mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8,192.168.2.0/24
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases
owner_request_special = no
queue_directory = /private/var/spool/postfix
readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix
recipient_delimiter = +
relayhost = 
sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/examples
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail
setgid_group = _postdrop
smtpd_client_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated
permit
smtpd_enforce_tls = no
smtpd_helo_required = yes
smtpd_helo_restrictions = reject_invalid_helo_hostname
reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname
smtpd_pw_server_security_options = login,cram-md5
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated permit_mynetworks
reject_unauth_destination check_policy_service unix:private/policy permit
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtpd_tls_CAfile = 
/etc/certificates/dentserv.main.private.F73718CA2507E8DBBF5C75FF9DF888A6F3E0
2A28.chain.pem
smtpd_tls_cert_file =
/etc/certificates/dentserv.main.private.F73718CA2507E8DBBF5C75FF9DF888A6F3E0
2A28.cert.pem
smtpd_tls_exclude_ciphers = SSLv2, aNULL, ADH, eNULL
smtpd_tls_key_file =
/etc/certificates/dentserv.main.private.F73718CA2507E8DBBF5C75FF9DF888A6F3E0
2A28.key.pem
smtpd_tls_loglevel = 0
smtpd_use_pw_server = yes
smtpd_use_tls = no
tls_random_source = dev:/dev/urandom
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
virtual_alias_domains = $virtual_alias_maps
hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_domains
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_users



From ctoomey at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 23:29:58 2010
From: ctoomey at gmail.com (Chris Toomey)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:29:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches to be updated for 2.1.14?
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-v9Vcn5f9gaJ1zDGgSpqDwmeEOVYySuZg=YzU@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I'd like to do a fresh install of mailman with the htdig integration as
described at
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg11713.html .
However, the 2 patches were last updated for mailman 2.1.10 and mailman's
now up to version 2.1.14.

Can somebody update those patches for 2.1.14, or should I just go with
2.1.10?  Also, I've not been able to find any documentation on the changes
made in each mailman release so it's hard to tell what I'd be giving up in
going w/ 2.1.10 -- can someone point me to where that release info. is?

thx,
Chris

From vadiveldotnet at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 07:26:09 2010
From: vadiveldotnet at gmail.com (M.Vadivel Kumar)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:56:09 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to configure in rhel inbuilt sendmail with
	mailman
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRyZUzROeVto=6zyrUsJj9cFgX0yJ6PhujYf6p@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends

how to configure in rhel inbuilt sendmail with mailman
i install sendmail with mailman it's working i create lists but i cant send
mail from sendmail
please tell me the steps
-- 
Regards
M.Vadivel Kumar
Mobile : 9894448512

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec  6 17:28:47 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:28:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re: Help in
	understandingMailman setup
In-Reply-To: <4CFC7CF6.5060505@htt-consult.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012060828470281cced98c8@MSAPIRO>

Robert Moskowitz wrote:

>I have totally rebuilt my system and am trying to 'Do It Right The First 
>Time' (DIRTFT).
>
>Not quite succeeding.  See below, I am hung up with no 
>/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman
[...]
>This time I 'thought' I had everything together.  I had my mm_cfg.py 
>configured as before; I had copied it from the system before the 
>reinstall and just overwrote what was there.  I modified 
>/etc/postfix/main.cf as instructed.  I was able to run the:
>
>/usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist mailman
>
>And it created the /etc/mailman/aliases and aliases.db files.  But no 
>virtual-mailman files.  Ooops.  I did not setup a SQL table entry for my 
>virtual host:  mailman.htt-consult.com.    I went back and added this to 
>the domain table and ran the
>
>
>> Run as root or mailman
>>
>>    /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases
>>
>> to rebuild the aliases and virtual-mailman files from the current
>> config.
>>    
>
>
>But still no virtual-mailman.



The lack of the virtual host definition in Postfix would have no effect
on whether or not Mailman creates the virtual-mailman file. Mailman
creates virtual-mailman if and only if there is a list or lists with a
host_name that matches one of the POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS
entries.


>Also I am not getting the URL 
>http://mailman.htt-consult.com/mailman to work.  I **THINK** I have 
>properly merged the Amahi template with the mailman.conf files in 
>/etc/httpd/conf.d/  But either I still have it wrong, or the lack of the 
>virtual-mailman files is impacting this as well.


This is strictly a web server configuration issue. it has nothing to do
with virtual-mailman which affects only Postfix.


>So do I delete the mailman list (how?) and try again???


You can delete lists with Mailman's bin/rmlist, but you don't need to.
Once you get mm_cfg.py correct, you can run bin/genaliases to create
virtual-mailman. If you make changes to DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, you may
first need to run

  bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mailman

to fix the mailman list's host_name.


[...]
>>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'mailman.htt-consult.com'
>>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailman.htt-consult.com'
>>>
>>> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>>> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>>>
>>> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 'mailman.htt-consult.com'
>>>      
>>
>> The above is a problem. It needs to be a sequence of domains, not a
>> single domain. This needs to be fixed before running genaliases. Make
>> it
>>
>> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['mailman.htt-consult.com']
>>
>> The square brackets are important.
>>
>>
>>    
>>> MTA = 'Postfix'


Did you make the above change to POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS? If not,
that explains the lack of virtual-mailman.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From donald.teed at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 17:50:42 2010
From: donald.teed at gmail.com (D G Teed)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:50:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] query moderation bit in a list
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=wX_7r4BuSXhWynB8SC=_FKYV9nePPfm6hJpa7@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

We need to lookup who is not moderated in a list with a large membership.

Is there a simple command line query to handle that?

I have a feeling we looked this up before, but can't find any notes on
it nor previous questions in this support list.

--Donald

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec  6 18:18:48 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 09:18:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <C921C117.18926D%joemailgroups@gmail>
References: <C921C117.18926D%joemailgroups@gmail>
Message-ID: <4CFD1AF8.7020702@msapiro.net>

On 12/5/2010 10:22 PM, JRC Groups wrote:
> 
> I am posting the output from "sudo postconf -n" in a following post to keep
> it separate from my answers here for clarity's sake. I tried to find the
> mm_cfg.py file but couldn't locate it. A spotlight search in OS X returned
> no entries under this name. Even a spotlight search under mailman returned
> no entries. Where would this file be located ?


According to the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/QoA9>, it should be
/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. If it's not there, I don't know
where it might be.


>> Did you create the list with Mailman's bin/newlist, Mailman's web
>> interface or Apple's GUI?
> 
> I created the list using Apple's GUI and then used Mailman's web interface
> to configure and change some settings according to the needs of the list I
> created.


I don't know how Apple's GUI creates lists, but if it created entries
for the list in /var/mailman/data/aliases it should also create virtual
mappings in /var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman and that file should be
referenced in Postfix main.cf virtual_alias_maps, e.g.

virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_users,
                     hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

If virtual-mailman is not created, there is something missing from
mm_cfg.py. There should be

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['domain.com']

in mm_cfg.py.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec  6 18:52:31 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:52:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] query moderation bit in a list
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=wX_7r4BuSXhWynB8SC=_FKYV9nePPfm6hJpa7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120609523103592a38dc06@MSAPIRO>

D G Teed wrote:
>
>We need to lookup who is not moderated in a list with a large membership.
>
>Is there a simple command line query to handle that?


See
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-January/068362.html>

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From donald.teed at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 19:25:27 2010
From: donald.teed at gmail.com (D G Teed)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:25:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] query moderation bit in a list
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010120609523103592a38dc06@MSAPIRO>
References: <AANLkTi=wX_7r4BuSXhWynB8SC=_FKYV9nePPfm6hJpa7@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1952010120609523103592a38dc06@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=xXoTsgzAxVpXZMxDRA27e3rnOggDXJ4VOydbq@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> D G Teed wrote:
> >
> >We need to lookup who is not moderated in a list with a large membership.
> >
> >Is there a simple command line query to handle that?
>
>
> See
> <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-January/068362.html>
>

Thanks, that was perfect.  Finding who doesn't have moderation is easy from
there.  A diff between this output and list_members output.

--Donald

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec  6 19:34:58 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:34:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] query moderation bit in a list
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=xXoTsgzAxVpXZMxDRA27e3rnOggDXJ4VOydbq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012061034580421f9c3431f@MSAPIRO>

D G Teed wrote:

>On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>
>> D G Teed wrote:
>> >
>> >We need to lookup who is not moderated in a list with a large membership.
>> >
>> >Is there a simple command line query to handle that?
>>
>>
>> See
>> <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-January/068362.html>
>>
>
>Thanks, that was perfect.  Finding who doesn't have moderation is easy from
>there.  A diff between this output and list_members output.


Or you can just use the -u or --unset option to the script.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rgm at htt-consult.com  Mon Dec  6 20:34:53 2010
From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:34:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re: Help in
 understandingMailman setup
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012060828470281cced98c8@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201012060828470281cced98c8@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4CFD3ADD.9000408@htt-consult.com>

I did an yum erase mailman, then install mailman.  Made sure that the 
virtual host was defined in postfix.  Emptied out the 
/etc/mailman/aliases and ran the script again to make the mailman list 
and this time I got the virtual-mailman file.

But still no web interface.  See below.

On 12/06/2010 11:28 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>    
>
>> Also I am not getting the URL
>> http://mailman.htt-consult.com/mailman to work.  I **THINK** I have
>> properly merged the Amahi template with the mailman.conf files in
>> /etc/httpd/conf.d/  But either I still have it wrong, or the lack of the
>> virtual-mailman files is impacting this as well.
>>      
>
> This is strictly a web server configuration issue. it has nothing to do
> with virtual-mailman which affects only Postfix.

Pulling out my hair on this one.

I copied the content of /etc/http/conf.d/mailman.conf into the 
<VirtualHost *:80> </VirtualHost> block in 
/etc/http/conf.d/1004-mailman.conf and renamed mailman.conf.  All my 
other virtual host URLs are working.  Not this one.  And I had THIS 
working with no trouble on my pervious build attempt.  I **THINK** I 
created the .conf right, and I don't THINK I did anything else to get it 
working!  ARGH!!!

No error messages.  It just waits a while, and then goes to the site's 
main URL instead of the virtual host.



From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec  6 20:42:43 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:42:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches to be updated for
	2.1.14?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-v9Vcn5f9gaJ1zDGgSpqDwmeEOVYySuZg=YzU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012061142430046d6076619@MSAPIRO>

Chris Toomey wrote:
>
>Can somebody update those patches for 2.1.14, or should I just go with
>2.1.10?  Also, I've not been able to find any documentation on the changes
>made in each mailman release so it's hard to tell what I'd be giving up in
>going w/ 2.1.10 -- can someone point me to where that release info. is?


There is a set of patches against the 2.1.14 base at
<http://www.msapiro.net/mm/>.

You can see the release by release changes in the NEWS file either in
the 2.1.14 tarball or at
<http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/files>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec  6 20:59:17 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:59:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re: Help in
	understandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <4CFD3ADD.9000408@htt-consult.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012061159170312e13ad089@MSAPIRO>

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>I copied the content of /etc/http/conf.d/mailman.conf into the 
><VirtualHost *:80> </VirtualHost> block in 
>/etc/http/conf.d/1004-mailman.conf and renamed mailman.conf.  All my 
>other virtual host URLs are working.  Not this one.  And I had THIS 
>working with no trouble on my pervious build attempt.  I **THINK** I 
>created the .conf right, and I don't THINK I did anything else to get it 
>working!  ARGH!!!
>
>No error messages.  It just waits a while, and then goes to the site's 
>main URL instead of the virtual host.


What exact Mailman related directives do you have in this VirtualHost
block?

Are there any other VirtualHost blocks in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf or
/etc/httpd/conf.d/*.conf that might conflict with this one?

Note also that you indicate the path as /etc/http/conf.d/ which may be
a typo in your email or may be correct, but the usual path is
/etc/httpd/conf.d/.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rgm at htt-consult.com  Mon Dec  6 21:21:53 2010
From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 15:21:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re: Help in
	understandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012061159170312e13ad089@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201012061159170312e13ad089@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4CFD45E1.2070208@htt-consult.com>

On 12/06/2010 02:59 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>    
>> I copied the content of /etc/http/conf.d/mailman.conf into the
>> <VirtualHost *:80>  </VirtualHost>  block in
>> /etc/http/conf.d/1004-mailman.conf and renamed mailman.conf.  All my
>> other virtual host URLs are working.  Not this one.  And I had THIS
>> working with no trouble on my pervious build attempt.  I **THINK** I
>> created the .conf right, and I don't THINK I did anything else to get it
>> working!  ARGH!!!
>>
>> No error messages.  It just waits a while, and then goes to the site's
>> main URL instead of the virtual host.
>>      
>
> What exact Mailman related directives do you have in this VirtualHost
> block?
>
> Are there any other VirtualHost blocks in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf or
> /etc/httpd/conf.d/*.conf that might conflict with this one?
>    

I renamed mailman.conf to mailman.conf.rpm  The line in 
/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf that loads the virtual hosts is:

Include conf.d/*.conf

There is no 'mailman' string in any of the conf files but the one below, 
/etc/httpd/conf.d/1004-mailman.conf

> Note also that you indicate the path as /etc/http/conf.d/ which may be
> a typo in your email or may be correct, but the usual path is
> /etc/httpd/conf.d/.

Yes a typo.  And here it is.

<VirtualHost *:80>

    ServerName mailman

#
#  httpd configuration settings for use with mailman.
#

ScriptAlias mailman.htt-consult.com/mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/


<Directory /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/>
     AllowOverride None
     Options ExecCGI
     Order allow,deny
     Allow from all
</Directory>


Alias mailman.htt-consult.com/pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
<Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/public>
     Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks
     AllowOverride None
     Order allow,deny
     Allow from all
     AddDefaultCharset Off
</Directory>

# Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your server's
# name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page (recommended).

RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://mailman.htt-consult.com/mailman/listinfo

    ErrorLog  /var/hda/web-apps/mailman/logs/error_log
       CustomLog /var/hda/web-apps/mailman/logs/access_log combined 
env=!dontlog

</VirtualHost>



From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec  6 21:34:51 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:34:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re: Help in
	understandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <4CFD45E1.2070208@htt-consult.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012061234510000cced97b3@MSAPIRO>

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
><VirtualHost *:80>
>
>    ServerName mailman
>
>#
>#  httpd configuration settings for use with mailman.
>#
>
>ScriptAlias mailman.htt-consult.com/mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/


I am not an expert on named virtual hosts, but I think the above should
be

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/



[...]
>
>Alias mailman.htt-consult.com/pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/


And I think the above should be

Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec  6 21:48:23 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:48:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re: Help
	inunderstandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012061234510000cced97b3@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <PC195201012061248230562cced99c9@MSAPIRO>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>><VirtualHost *:80>
>>
>>    ServerName mailman


Same caveat as below, but I also think this should be

    ServerName mailman.htt-consult.com


>>#
>>#  httpd configuration settings for use with mailman.
>>#
>>
>>ScriptAlias mailman.htt-consult.com/mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
>
>
>I am not an expert on named virtual hosts, but I think the above should
>be
>
>ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
>
>
>
>[...]
>>
>>Alias mailman.htt-consult.com/pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
>
>
>And I think the above should be
>
>Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
>
>-- 
>Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
>San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
>Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mark%40msapiro.netple.com
-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec  6 22:05:06 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 13:05:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to configure in rhel inbuilt sendmail with
 mailman
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRyZUzROeVto=6zyrUsJj9cFgX0yJ6PhujYf6p@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimRyZUzROeVto=6zyrUsJj9cFgX0yJ6PhujYf6p@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CFD5002.5000208@msapiro.net>

On 12/5/2010 10:26 PM, M.Vadivel Kumar wrote:
> 
> how to configure in rhel inbuilt sendmail with mailman
> i install sendmail with mailman it's working i create lists but i cant send
> mail from sendmail
> please tell me the steps


Can you send mail from the Mailman machine via the sendmail command? Can
you "telnet localhost 25" from the Mailman machine and receive a reply
from sendmail?

If sendmail is configured to listen on port 25 and relay mail from
localhost, it should work for outbound mail from Mailman, and it should
work with standard list aliases for inbound mail to Mailman.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rgm at htt-consult.com  Mon Dec  6 22:05:57 2010
From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 16:05:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re: Help in
	understandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012061234510000cced97b3@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201012061234510000cced97b3@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4CFD5035.4020801@htt-consult.com>



On 12/06/2010 03:34 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>    
>> <VirtualHost *:80>
>>
>>     ServerName mailman
>>
>> #
>> #  httpd configuration settings for use with mailman.
>> #
>>
>> ScriptAlias mailman.htt-consult.com/mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
>>      
>
> I am not an expert on named virtual hosts, but I think the above should
> be
>
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
>    

This does not work either.  I am fairly sure that I had it wtih the full 
virtual host URL last time.  Somewhere you HAVE to provide the URL 
name.  Hmmmm....

Looking again at Squirrelmail, I see it uses ServerAlias, not 
ScriptAlias.  But changing this and reloading httpd does not make any 
difference.

I also tried making the ServerName the full fqdn, but then I got the 
Apache test page.  So that is not the answer either.  It is frustrating 
because this part I HAD working.


>
>
> [...]
>    
>> Alias mailman.htt-consult.com/pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
>>      
>
> And I think the above should be
>
> Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
>
>    

From rgm at htt-consult.com  Mon Dec  6 22:23:46 2010
From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 16:23:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re: Help
	inunderstandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012061248230562cced99c9@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201012061248230562cced99c9@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4CFD5462.1@htt-consult.com>

On 12/06/2010 03:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>    
>> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>      
>>> <VirtualHost *:80>
>>>
>>>     ServerName mailman
>>>        
>
> Same caveat as below, but I also think this should be
>
>      ServerName mailman.htt-consult.com
>
>
>    
>>> #
>>> #  httpd configuration settings for use with mailman.
>>> #
>>>
>>> ScriptAlias mailman.htt-consult.com/mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
>>>        
>>
>> I am not an expert on named virtual hosts, but I think the above should
>> be
>>
>> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
>>      

What I just tried is:

ServerName mailman
ServerAlias mailman.htt-consult.com
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://mailman.htt-consult.com/mailman/listinfo


And now I get:

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

And it tells me to look in the Mailman error logs.  I see errors in the  
/var/hda/web-apps/mailman/logs/error_log.  I will have to move it over 
to this system via a USB drive...

So progress!



>>
>>
>> [...]
>>      
>>> Alias mailman.htt-consult.com/pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
>>>        
>>
>> And I think the above should be
>>
>> Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
>>
>> -- 
>> Mark Sapiro<mark at msapiro.net>         The highway is for gamblers,
>> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
>> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
>> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mark%40msapiro.net
>>      

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Mon Dec  6 22:25:15 2010
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 21:25:15 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re: Help
	in	understandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <4CFD45E1.2070208@htt-consult.com>
References: <PC195201012061159170312e13ad089@MSAPIRO>
	<4CFD45E1.2070208@htt-consult.com>
Message-ID: <20101206212515.GA26570@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 03:21:53PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> On 12/06/2010 02:59 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> What exact Mailman related directives do you have in this VirtualHost
>> block?


> <VirtualHost *:80>
>    ServerName mailman

change that to a FQDN (mailman.example.org).

> ScriptAlias mailman.htt-consult.com/mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/

Change that to
    ScriptAlias /mailman/   /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/

> <Directory /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/>
>     AllowOverride None
>     Options ExecCGI
>     Order allow,deny
>     Allow from all
> </Directory>

If you're not going to ScriptAlias (admin,admindb,confirm,create...)
&c, keep that, if you will ScriptAlias each, it's possibly superflous.

> Alias mailman.htt-consult.com/pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/

Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/

> <Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/public>
>     Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks

Do you need Multiviews?

>     AllowOverride None
>     Order allow,deny
>     Allow from all
>     AddDefaultCharset Off
> </Directory>

>    ErrorLog  /var/hda/web-apps/mailman/logs/error_log
>       CustomLog /var/hda/web-apps/mailman/logs/access_log combined  
> </VirtualHost>


"apachectl configtest" may be your friend, here, too

-- 
"In Lent she ate onion soup and gave up drink; but otherwise she 
 must have drunk the maximum compatible with survival and sanity."
    (Telegraph Obit of Jennifer Paterson, one of the 'Two Fat Ladies')

From rgm at htt-consult.com  Mon Dec  6 22:31:27 2010
From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 16:31:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re:
	Help	inunderstandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <4CFD5462.1@htt-consult.com>
References: <PC195201012061248230562cced99c9@MSAPIRO>
	<4CFD5462.1@htt-consult.com>
Message-ID: <4CFD562F.3080202@htt-consult.com>

On 12/06/2010 04:23 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> On 12/06/2010 03:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>> <VirtualHost *:80>
>>>>
>>>>     ServerName mailman
>>
>> Same caveat as below, but I also think this should be
>>
>>      ServerName mailman.htt-consult.com
>>
>>
>>>> #
>>>> #  httpd configuration settings for use with mailman.
>>>> #
>>>>
>>>> ScriptAlias mailman.htt-consult.com/mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
>>>
>>> I am not an expert on named virtual hosts, but I think the above should
>>> be
>>>
>>> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
>
> What I just tried is:
>
> ServerName mailman
> ServerAlias mailman.htt-consult.com
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
> RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ 
> http://mailman.htt-consult.com/mailman/listinfo
>
>
> And now I get:
>
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12
>
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>
> And it tells me to look in the Mailman error logs.  I see errors in 
> the  /var/hda/web-apps/mailman/logs/error_log.  I will have to move it 
> over to this system via a USB drive...
>
> So progress!

Here is the error_log:

[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] [----- Mailman 
Version: 2.1.12 -----]
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] [----- 
Traceback ------]
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] Traceback 
(most recent call last):
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File 
"/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 85, in run_main
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     immediate=1)
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File 
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in __init__
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     
Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File 
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 50, in __init__
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     self.__get_f()
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File 
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 68, in __get_f
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     1)
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File 
"/usr/lib/python2.6/codecs.py", line 865, in open
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     file = 
__builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] IOError: 
[Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman/error'
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] [----- Python 
Information -----]
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
sys.version     = 2.6.2 (r262:71600, Jun  4 2010, 18:28:04)
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] [GCC 4.4.3 
20100127 (Red Hat 4.4.3-4)]
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
sys.executable  = /usr/bin/python
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
sys.prefix      = /usr
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
sys.exec_prefix = /usr
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
sys.path        = /usr
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
sys.platform    = linux2
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] [----- 
Environment Variables -----]
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] \tHTTP_COOKIE: 
locale=en
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
\tSERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.2.15 (Fedora)
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] \tSCRIPT_NAME: 
/mailman/listinfo
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
\tSERVER_SIGNATURE: <address>Apache/2.2.15 (Fedora) Server at 
mailman.htt-consult.com Port 80</address>
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
\tREQUEST_METHOD: GET
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
\tHTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
\tSERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] \tQUERY_STRING:
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
\tHTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
\tHTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) 
Gecko/20101027 Fedora/3.5.15-1.fc12 Firefox/3.5.15
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
\tHTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] \tSERVER_NAME: 
mailman.htt-consult.com
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] \tREMOTE_ADDR: 
208.83.67.149
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] \tSERVER_PORT: 80
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] \tSERVER_ADDR: 
208.83.67.149
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
\tDOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] \tPYTHONPATH: 
/usr/lib/mailman
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
\tSCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
\tSERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] \tHTTP_HOST: 
mailman.htt-consult.com
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] \tREQUEST_URI: 
/mailman/listinfo
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] \tHTTP_ACCEPT: 
text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
\tGATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] \tREMOTE_PORT: 
59673
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
\tHTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us,en;q=0.5
[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
\tHTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate

Note this system is double NATTED so I can build the system then move it 
to its planned network location and IP address.  So the system currently 
accessable with that IP address is NOT the system I am working on.  And 
the DNS info is only on my internal view, not reachable yet (I HOPE!).  
I wonder if these problems are due to my erasing then reinstalling mailman?



From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Mon Dec  6 23:14:08 2010
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 22:14:08 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re:
	Help	inunderstandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <4CFD562F.3080202@htt-consult.com>
References: <PC195201012061248230562cced99c9@MSAPIRO>
	<4CFD5462.1@htt-consult.com> <4CFD562F.3080202@htt-consult.com>
Message-ID: <20101206221408.GD8672@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 04:31:27PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman/error'

Is probably what I'd fix first, from that Trackback.


-- 
"a moat is an effective barrier, especially if you manage
 water levels so an area in the middle is very shallow over 
 gooey mud. A moat is also much prettier than a wall or razor wire"
    -- Dan Holdsworth

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec  6 23:16:52 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:16:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re:
	Help	inunderstandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <4CFD562F.3080202@htt-consult.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520101206141652078110df7941@MSAPIRO>

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>Here is the error_log:
>
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] 
>@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] [----- Mailman 
>Version: 2.1.12 -----]
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] [----- 
>Traceback ------]
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] Traceback 
>(most recent call last):
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File 
>"/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 85, in run_main
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     immediate=1)
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File 
>"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in __init__
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     
>Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File 
>"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 50, in __init__
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     self.__get_f()
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File 
>"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 68, in __get_f
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     1)
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File 
>"/usr/lib/python2.6/codecs.py", line 865, in open
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     file = 
>__builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
>[Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] IOError: 
>[Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman/error'


The mailman user can't create or write the /var/log/mailman/error log
file. Try running Mailman's bin/checkperms -f as root.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rgm at htt-consult.com  Tue Dec  7 00:55:30 2010
From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 18:55:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re:
	Help	inunderstandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <20101206221408.GD8672@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
References: <PC195201012061248230562cced99c9@MSAPIRO>
	<4CFD5462.1@htt-consult.com> <4CFD562F.3080202@htt-consult.com>
	<20101206221408.GD8672@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4CFD77F2.3010403@htt-consult.com>



On 12/06/2010 05:14 PM, Adam McGreggor wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 04:31:27PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>    
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman/error'
>>      
> Is probably what I'd fix first, from that Trackback.

Through trail and error, user apache needed access.

Should user apache be added to the mailman group, as the files seem to 
have root:mailman or mailman:mailman as their owners?

I am going to move on to testing out subscriptions, creating another 
list, and sending messages, then do one more rebuild to see that I have 
everything right.


From rgm at htt-consult.com  Tue Dec  7 00:59:57 2010
From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 18:59:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re:
	Help	inunderstandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <PC19520101206141652078110df7941@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC19520101206141652078110df7941@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4CFD78FD.4080504@htt-consult.com>

On 12/06/2010 05:16 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>    
>> Here is the error_log:
>>
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]
>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] [----- Mailman
>> Version: 2.1.12 -----]
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] [-----
>> Traceback ------]
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] Traceback
>> (most recent call last):
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File
>> "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 85, in run_main
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     immediate=1)
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File
>> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in __init__
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]
>> Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File
>> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 50, in __init__
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     self.__get_f()
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File
>> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 68, in __get_f
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     1)
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File
>> "/usr/lib/python2.6/codecs.py", line 865, in open
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     file =
>> __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] IOError:
>> [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman/error'
>>      
>
> The mailman user can't create or write the /var/log/mailman/error log
> file. Try running Mailman's bin/checkperms -f as root.

I was getting ready to reply no such command.  But I dug a bit and found 
check_perms.  Nice tool!  Thanks!



From rgm at htt-consult.com  Tue Dec  7 01:15:54 2010
From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 19:15:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Up and runningRe: Trying again from the start --
 Re: Help	inunderstandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <PC19520101206141652078110df7941@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC19520101206141652078110df7941@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4CFD7CBA.8060606@htt-consult.com>

Thanks for the help!

Now hopefully I have a full set of notes.  And this time I will copy ALL 
the files from /etc /httpd, /mailman, and /postfix and I will have 
enough guidance for this to go right start to running.

Then I can turn it over to some others on the Amahi that have expressed 
interest.

On 12/06/2010 05:16 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>    
>> Here is the error_log:
>>
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]
>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] [----- Mailman
>> Version: 2.1.12 -----]
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] [-----
>> Traceback ------]
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] Traceback
>> (most recent call last):
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File
>> "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 85, in run_main
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     immediate=1)
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File
>> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in __init__
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]
>> Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File
>> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 50, in __init__
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     self.__get_f()
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File
>> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 68, in __get_f
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     1)
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]   File
>> "/usr/lib/python2.6/codecs.py", line 865, in open
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149]     file =
>> __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
>> [Mon Dec 06 16:18:32 2010] [error] [client 208.83.67.149] IOError:
>> [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman/error'
>>      
>
> The mailman user can't create or write the /var/log/mailman/error log
> file. Try running Mailman's bin/checkperms -f as root.
>
>    

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Dec  7 01:30:35 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:30:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re:
	Help	inunderstandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <4CFD77F2.3010403@htt-consult.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120616303507968ba476bf@MSAPIRO>

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>Through trail and error, user apache needed access.
>
>Should user apache be added to the mailman group, as the files seem to 
>have root:mailman or mailman:mailman as their owners?


The way this is supposed to work is all the files in
/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ are compiled wrappers that are supposed to
be group 'mailman' and SETGID. Thus, when they are invoked through
Apache's ScriptAlias, they run with effective group 'mailman'. See the
FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/tYA9> for more detail.

You should not add user 'apache' to the 'mailman' group. This could
potentially give public access to things which aren't public.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rgm at htt-consult.com  Tue Dec  7 02:03:17 2010
From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 20:03:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying again from the start -- Re:
	Help	inunderstandingMailmansetup
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010120616303507968ba476bf@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC1952010120616303507968ba476bf@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4CFD87D5.4010403@htt-consult.com>



On 12/06/2010 07:30 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>    
>> Through trail and error, user apache needed access.
>>
>> Should user apache be added to the mailman group, as the files seem to
>> have root:mailman or mailman:mailman as their owners?
>>      
>
> The way this is supposed to work is all the files in
> /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ are compiled wrappers that are supposed to
> be group 'mailman' and SETGID. Thus, when they are invoked through
> Apache's ScriptAlias, they run with effective group 'mailman'. See the
> FAQ at<http://wiki.list.org/x/tYA9>  for more detail.
>
> You should not add user 'apache' to the 'mailman' group. This could
> potentially give public access to things which aren't public.

Ah,  OK got it....

Well hopefully one more time to get it right the first time...

:)



From rgm at htt-consult.com  Tue Dec  7 16:19:48 2010
From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:19:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission problems with /etc/mailman/*.db
Message-ID: <4CFE5094.3090207@htt-consult.com>

This is a clean install on Fedora 12, which provides Mailman 2.1.12

This time my cookbook seemed to be all in order.  Everything was going 
great.  Mailman list created and user added, message sent, then I locked 
up the Mailman list so it would not be available to viewers once I moved 
this box to a public network.

Then I went to create my first list via /mailman/create.  I got a bug.  
On checking the error_log, I see that create does not have permissions 
to /etc/mailman/aliases.db

I go over to /etc/mailman, and I see that both aliases and 
virtual-mailman were updated, but NOT the .db files.  The permissions on 
the .db files is 640, not 660!  How come?

So I ran check_perm -f as Mark recommended for the last permission 
problem (that I caused, but this time it was straight install stuff), 
and it fixed a number of errors:

# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
/usr/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected mailman) (fixing)
directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/lib/mailman/cron (fixing)
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected mailman) (fixing)
directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman (fixing)
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.pyc bad group (has: root, expected 
mailman) (fixing)
Warning: Private archive directory is other-executable (o+x).
          This could allow other users on your system to read private 
archives.
          If you're on a shared multiuser system, you should consult the
          installation manual on how to fix this.
/etc/mailman/aliases.db owned by root (must be owned by mailman (fixing)
/etc/mailman/aliases.db permissions must be 066x (got 0100640) (fixing)
/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman.db owned by root (must be owned by mailman 
(fixing)
/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman.db permissions must be 066x (got 0100640) 
(fixing)
Problems found: 9
Re-run as mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix

That is a LOT of errors for just installing with yum and running the 
mailman mmsitepass and newlist scripts!

Now this is Fedora 12 with is eol, so we IF the problem is Fedora's 
packaging, we probably won't get it fixed here.  But what about Fedora 
13 & 14?  I won't be working with 13 for mailman.  I will be working on 
a Fedora 14 migration probably around February, so I can't check this 
out there for a while.  I hope I won't encounter this little supprise 
then...

But other than this little speed bump, I GOT IT UP AND RUNNING!!!!

THANK YOU for your help.

I know have to configure all the users in the SQL database (not really 
that hard), then rsync to mail from the old server to the new (after 
stopping mail on the old), then switch the servers out.  I could be in 
production tonight.



From bercken at xs4all.net  Tue Dec  7 15:52:51 2010
From: bercken at xs4all.net (Ruud van den Bercken)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:52:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with hostnames
Message-ID: <2A391AB0993F445A93B6113075C2583D@bak>

Hi,

On my debian leny I run the mailman 2.1.11 stable version in english
language.

I have different hostnames pointing to the server. Lets say, default is
domain1. When I create a newlist and login to de admin-interface, I change
the hostname to domain2.  

When the system sends mail to recipients (using postfix), it use only the
default domain1 hostname in the links in the message.

How could I change this/fix this so message sended to the users with links
in it, points to the configured second domainname, domain2?

Regards,

Ruud


From ctoomey at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 22:58:40 2010
From: ctoomey at gmail.com (Chris Toomey)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:58:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches to be updated for
	2.1.14?
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012061142430046d6076619@MSAPIRO>
References: <AANLkTim-v9Vcn5f9gaJ1zDGgSpqDwmeEOVYySuZg=YzU@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201012061142430046d6076619@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=DRHcpCKypwX29=+bbHDTzZALLAV=TAwMVog3K@mail.gmail.com>

Great, thanks Mark.  Will you or someone else be updating the sourceforge
patches with these?  Would be nice to keep the patches for various mm
versions consolidated there.

Chris

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> Chris Toomey wrote:
> >
> >Can somebody update those patches for 2.1.14, or should I just go with
> >2.1.10?  Also, I've not been able to find any documentation on the changes
> >made in each mailman release so it's hard to tell what I'd be giving up in
> >going w/ 2.1.10 -- can someone point me to where that release info. is?
>
>
> There is a set of patches against the 2.1.14 base at
> <http://www.msapiro.net/mm/>.
>
> You can see the release by release changes in the NEWS file either in
> the 2.1.14 tarball or at
> <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/files<http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emailman-coders/mailman/2.1/files>
> >.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>

From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Dec  7 16:03:59 2010
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:03:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Interesting problem with gmail users
Message-ID: <AANLkTiknz-x7L6GYJTB=kZO7BHwbpVEdK5ZkUmiknyW1@mail.gmail.com>

Note: this is NOT the frequently asked question about why GMail users
don't see their own posts.

I run a bunch of mailman mailing lists, and I'm subscribed to those
lists from my GMail account.  I also set up a filter to tag the posts
from those mailing lists.  However, the messages from some other GMail
users on those mailing lists show a banner that says "Due to a filter
you created, this message was not sent to Spam. Edit Filters".  Other
GMail users do not show that banner.  The ones who do show the banner
show it consistently for every message they send to the list (although
not on messages they send me directly) and the ones who do not show
the banner never show it.  I've never seen it for a non-GMail address.

I suspect it has something to do with the way GMail puts a
DKIM-Signature and DomainKey-Signature on outgoing mail.  Something
Mailman is doing is making the signatures invalid.  As a matter of
fact, doing a "Show original" on a couple of the flagged messages
seems to confirm that, with messages like

Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of
geeks-bounces at list.xcski.com designates 69.164.214.240 as permitted
sender) smtp.mail=geeks-bounces at list.xcski.com; dkim=neutral (body
hash did not verify) header.i=@gmail.com

So what are my options here?  Can I strip out the DKIM headers within
Mailman?  Or should I just configure my mailserver to add a DKIM
header?


-- 
http://www.linkedin.com/in/paultomblin
http://careers.stackoverflow.com/ptomblin

From ruud at ruudux.nl  Tue Dec  7 15:53:42 2010
From: ruud at ruudux.nl (Ruud)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:53:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with different hostnames
Message-ID: <01FC2697FC784191A41AC236E5E6E9F0@bak>

Hi,

On my debian leny I run the mailman 2.1.11 stable version in english
language.

I have different hostnames pointing to the server. Lets say, default is
domain1. When I create a newlist and login to de admin-interface, I change
the hostname to domain2.  

When the system sends mail to recipients (using postfix), it use only the
default domain1 hostname in the links in the message.

How could I change this/fix this so message sended to the users with links
in it, points to the configured second domainname, domain2?

Regards,

Ruud


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Dec  7 18:47:13 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:47:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with different hostnames
In-Reply-To: <01FC2697FC784191A41AC236E5E6E9F0@bak>
Message-ID: <PC19520101207094713028149f5dba6@MSAPIRO>

Ruud wrote:
>
>On my debian leny I run the mailman 2.1.11 stable version in english
>language.
>
>I have different hostnames pointing to the server. Lets say, default is
>domain1. When I create a newlist and login to de admin-interface, I change
>the hostname to domain2.  
>
>When the system sends mail to recipients (using postfix), it use only the
>default domain1 hostname in the links in the message.


This is because there are two list attributes that contain the domain.
They are host_name and web_page_url, and web_page_url is not visible
in the admin GUI.


>How could I change this/fix this so message sended to the users with links
>in it, points to the configured second domainname, domain2?


You need to add a second domain/host in mm_cfg.py

add_virtualhost('domain2.tld', 'domain2.tld')

Then you fix the list by running the Mailman command

 bin/withlist -l -r fix_url LISTNAME -u domain2.tld

Also, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/lYA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Dec  7 18:50:04 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:50:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with hostnames
In-Reply-To: <2A391AB0993F445A93B6113075C2583D@bak>
Message-ID: <PC19520101207095004057849f5dcc6@MSAPIRO>

Ruud van den Bercken wrote:
>
>I have different hostnames pointing to the server. Lets say, default is
>domain1. When I create a newlist and login to de admin-interface, I change
>the hostname to domain2.  
>
>When the system sends mail to recipients (using postfix), it use only the
>default domain1 hostname in the links in the message.
>
>How could I change this/fix this so message sended to the users with links
>in it, points to the configured second domainname, domain2?


See the reply at
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-December/070707.html>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Dec  7 19:13:13 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:13:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Interesting problem with gmail users
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiknz-x7L6GYJTB=kZO7BHwbpVEdK5ZkUmiknyW1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520101207101313046868b5f1a1@MSAPIRO>

Paul Tomblin wrote:
>
>I suspect it has something to do with the way GMail puts a
>DKIM-Signature and DomainKey-Signature on outgoing mail.  Something
>Mailman is doing is making the signatures invalid.


If your list adds msg_header or msg_footer, that almost certainly
breaks the signatures. If your list makes no alterations to the
message body or subject or reply-to headers, it shouldn't break the
signatures, but certain Python email library transformations over
which Mailman has no control may break them anyway.


>As a matter of
>fact, doing a "Show original" on a couple of the flagged messages
>seems to confirm that, with messages like
>
>Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of
>geeks-bounces at list.xcski.com designates 69.164.214.240 as permitted
>sender) smtp.mail=geeks-bounces at list.xcski.com; dkim=neutral (body
>hash did not verify) header.i=@gmail.com
>
>So what are my options here?  Can I strip out the DKIM headers within
>Mailman?  Or should I just configure my mailserver to add a DKIM
>header?


Beginning in Mailman 2.1.7, these signatures were removed. Beginning in
Mailman 2.1.10, this removal was made conditional on the new mm_cfg.py
setting REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS which defaults to No.

So, assuming your Mailman is 2.1.10 or later, you can configure it to
remove the headers by putting

REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS = Yes

in mm_cfg.py.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Dec  7 19:27:13 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:27:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches to be updated
	for	2.1.14?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=DRHcpCKypwX29=+bbHDTzZALLAV=TAwMVog3K@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=DRHcpCKypwX29=+bbHDTzZALLAV=TAwMVog3K@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CFE7C81.5030402@msapiro.net>

Chris Toomey wrote:

> Great, thanks Mark.  Will you or someone else be updating the sourceforge
> patches with these?  Would be nice to keep the patches for various mm
> versions consolidated there.


The SourceForge tracker is no longer used for Mailman. The current
tracker is at Launchpad. The specific patches are at
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266553> and
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266554>.

I have added a comment to these entries pointing to the later patches at
<http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/index.html> and <http://www.msapiro.net/mm/>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Dec  7 20:40:28 2010
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:40:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Interesting problem with gmail users
In-Reply-To: <PC19520101207101313046868b5f1a1@MSAPIRO>
References: <AANLkTiknz-x7L6GYJTB=kZO7BHwbpVEdK5ZkUmiknyW1@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC19520101207101313046868b5f1a1@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <AANLkTineZj1ByheL3ke4VaFQwYNzs8OhqfKg1gnkddZS@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS = Yes

Well, that worked in the sense that their messages no longer have the
DKIM headers and the Authentication-Results header doesn't mention any
problems:

Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of
geeks-bounces at list.xcski.com designates 69.164.214.240 as permitted
sender) smtp.mail=geeks-bounces at list.xcski.com

However, those two users are still showing that banner "Due to a
filter you created, this message was not sent to Spam. Edit Filters".
I guess it's just a Google thing now, not a Mailman problem.  But if
anybody on the list has any insight into that banner and how to get
rid of it, I'd like to hear it.

-- 
http://www.linkedin.com/in/paultomblin
http://careers.stackoverflow.com/ptomblin

From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Dec  8 00:17:46 2010
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 17:17:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Interesting problem with gmail users
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTineZj1ByheL3ke4VaFQwYNzs8OhqfKg1gnkddZS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTiknz-x7L6GYJTB=kZO7BHwbpVEdK5ZkUmiknyW1@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC19520101207101313046868b5f1a1@MSAPIRO>
	<AANLkTineZj1ByheL3ke4VaFQwYNzs8OhqfKg1gnkddZS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CBF787DB-EDF5-4068-AA2B-25A4E7BE7D6C@shub-internet.org>

On Dec 7, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Paul Tomblin wrote:

> However, those two users are still showing that banner "Due to a
> filter you created, this message was not sent to Spam. Edit Filters".
> I guess it's just a Google thing now, not a Mailman problem.  But if
> anybody on the list has any insight into that banner and how to get
> rid of it, I'd like to hear it.

Google knows better than you do what kinds of headers they're supposed to see on messages that claims to be coming from senders on Gmail.  If you don't have those headers on your e-mail (maybe your mailing list management software removed them), then that would be likely to cause problems.

--
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>


From carl at transitionus.org  Wed Dec  8 01:05:28 2010
From: carl at transitionus.org (Carl Shuller)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 16:05:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving administrative information to bottom of
	digest
Message-ID: <AANLkTimU-9nM0DbgiZSKgqThQ5eULnmfxCoO6rPuwVue@mail.gmail.com>

Take the digest from this list for example:

Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
       mailman-users at python.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
       http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
       mailman-users-request at python.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
       mailman-users-owner at python.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."


Is there a way to configure Mailman so this information is at the bottom of
the digest?  Thanks.

Carl

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec  8 03:13:48 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:13:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving administrative information to bottom
	ofdigest
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimU-9nM0DbgiZSKgqThQ5eULnmfxCoO6rPuwVue@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520101207181348013565346677@MSAPIRO>

Carl Shuller wrote:

>Take the digest from this list for example:
>
>Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
>       mailman-users at python.org
>
>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>       http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>       mailman-users-request at python.org
>
>You can reach the person managing the list at
>       mailman-users-owner at python.org
>
>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."
>
>
>Is there a way to configure Mailman so this information is at the bottom of
>the digest?  Thanks.


There are two ways to do this, neither of which is a configuration
setting per se.

The first way is to modify the code in Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py to
move the addition of mastheadtxt and the masthead MIME part to the end
of the digests.

The second way is to make a list/domain/site specific masthead.txt
template which is empty (See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9>). This will remove the masthead from the
plain format digest, but leave an empty MIME part in the MIME digest.
Then you could add the masthead information to digest_footer.

Either of these methods requires access to the server's Mailman file
system to either edit the handler or install the template.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 03:40:52 2010
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JRC Groups)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 18:40:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <4CFD1AF8.7020702@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <C9243034.1895C3%joemailgroups@gmail>

Mark,


Thank you for your help and for taking the time to answer my questions.

Some questions and answers below next to your responses.


On 12/6/10 9:18 AM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 12/5/2010 10:22 PM, JRC Groups wrote:
>> 
>> I am posting the output from "sudo postconf -n" in a following post to keep
>> it separate from my answers here for clarity's sake. I tried to find the
>> mm_cfg.py file but couldn't locate it. A spotlight search in OS X returned
>> no entries under this name. Even a spotlight search under mailman returned
>> no entries. Where would this file be located ?
> 
> 
> According to the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/QoA9>, it should be
> /usr/share/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. If it's not there, I don't know
> where it might be.

I found it. The following are the contents of the
/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file I was able to display using the
cat command:



# -*- python -*-

# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000,2001,2002 by the Free Software Foundation,
Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
# 
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
# 
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
# Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301,
USA.

"""This module contains your site-specific settings.

>From a brand new distribution it should be copied to mm_cfg.py.  If you
already have an mm_cfg.py, be careful to add in only the new settings you
want.  Mailman's installation procedure will never overwrite your mm_cfg.py
file.

The complete set of distributed defaults, with documentation, are in the
file
Defaults.py.  In mm_cfg.py, override only those you want to change, after
the

  from Defaults import *

line (see below).

Note that these are just default settings; many can be overridden via the
administrator and user interfaces on a per-list or per-user basis.

"""

###############################################
# Here's where we get the distributed defaults.

from Defaults import *

##################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
MTA = 'Postfix'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dentserv.main.private'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'dentserv.main.private'

 
>>> Did you create the list with Mailman's bin/newlist, Mailman's web
>>> interface or Apple's GUI?
>> 
>> I created the list using Apple's GUI and then used Mailman's web interface
>> to configure and change some settings according to the needs of the list I
>> created.
> 
> 
> I don't know how Apple's GUI creates lists, but if it created entries
> for the list in /var/mailman/data/aliases it should also create virtual
> mappings in /var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman and that file should be
> referenced in Postfix main.cf virtual_alias_maps, e.g.
> 
> virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_users,
>                      hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
> 
> If virtual-mailman is not created, there is something missing from
> mm_cfg.py. There should be
> 
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['domain.com']
> 
> in mm_cfg.py.

I've tried Apple but it has become quite clear that they are neither
properly equipped nor interested in resolving the problems with Mailman (or
with OS X Server for that matter).

Can you guide me on how to correct these problems ?

Thank you in advance for your help,

Joe 



From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec  8 17:13:20 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:13:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <C9243034.1895C3%joemailgroups@gmail>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120808132002814de8f8ed@MSAPIRO>

JRC Groups wrote:
>
>###############################################
># Here's where we get the distributed defaults.
>
>from Defaults import *
>
>##################################################
># Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
>MTA = 'Postfix'
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dentserv.main.private'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'dentserv.main.private'
>


Assuming that all your Mailman lists are/will be in the domain.com
domain and that mail will be sent to addresses like LIST at domain.com
and web access to mailman will be via URLs beginning
'http://www.domain.com/' (if this will be 'http://domain.com/', drop
the 'www.' below), change the above two lines to

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.domain.com'

and add

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)


The original error and your postconf -n post indicate that domain.com
is not local in Postfix. Thus you also need to add here

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['domain.com']

After editing mm_cfg.py as above, run

sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url

followed by

sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/genaliases

This should fix the mailman side of things, but I'm a bit confused.

I think this will create/update the files aliases. aliases.db,
virtual-mailman and virtual-mailman.db in the directory
/usr/share/mailman/data/.

My confusion is that your postconf -n had

alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases,hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases

which says Mailman's aliases are in /var/mailman/data. This could be
incorrect, or /var/mailman/data/ or /var/mailman/data/aliases* could
be symlinks or Mailman might be configured with var-prefix =
/var/mailman which would put the aliases* and virtual-mailman* files
in /var/mailman/data/.

I will assume the latter which means you should add
hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman to virtual_alias_maps in
Postfix main.cf to make it

virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_users,
                     hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

and then reload the Postfix service.

In any case, the hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases in alias_maps and
hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman in virtual_alias_maps should
point to the files updated by Mailman's genaliases above.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From Robert.Schwartz at cas-inc.com  Wed Dec  8 15:54:08 2010
From: Robert.Schwartz at cas-inc.com (Schwartz, Robert - IS)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:54:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe request
Message-ID: <60109845CFBCA042AA05AFDD8F5A5CFFB6E57D8F@CAS-XCH-MB01.CAS.com>

How can I add an unsubscribe request to the bottom of all emails sent out?  Example:  "To unsubscribe select this link"


From Robert.Schwartz at cas-inc.com  Wed Dec  8 15:52:40 2010
From: Robert.Schwartz at cas-inc.com (Schwartz, Robert - IS)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:52:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam emails
Message-ID: <60109845CFBCA042AA05AFDD8F5A5CFFB6E57D8A@CAS-XCH-MB01.CAS.com>

Recently I've started receiving spam messages submitted to by mailing list.  How can I reject all email not submitted by members without having to add them to a list?


Robert P. Schwartz
CAS Group of Wyle Inc.
100 Quality Circle
Huntsville, AL 35806

Phone: 256.922.4203
Fax:  256.922.4243

E-mail:  robert.schwartz at wyle.com<mailto:robert.schwartz at wyle.com>


From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Wed Dec  8 17:28:37 2010
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:28:37 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam emails
In-Reply-To: <60109845CFBCA042AA05AFDD8F5A5CFFB6E57D8A@CAS-XCH-MB01.CAS.com>
References: <60109845CFBCA042AA05AFDD8F5A5CFFB6E57D8A@CAS-XCH-MB01.CAS.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.1012081825500.4107@data.home>

On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Schwartz, Robert - IS wrote:

> Recently I've started receiving spam messages submitted to by mailing 
> list.  How can I reject all email not submitted by members without 
> having to add them to a list?

Set the generic non-member action to discard.  It's in privacy/sender 
filters.  All non-members who aren't in any of the other non-member lists 
on that page will have their posts discarded.

You can also set it to reject, but this will cause a rejection note to be 
sent, and if this mail is in fact spam it will probably cause backscatter, 
so use discard unless it's actual people doing the posting.

Geoff.


From cpz at tuunq.com  Wed Dec  8 17:21:39 2010
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 08:21:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam emails
In-Reply-To: <60109845CFBCA042AA05AFDD8F5A5CFFB6E57D8A@CAS-XCH-MB01.CAS.com>
References: <60109845CFBCA042AA05AFDD8F5A5CFFB6E57D8A@CAS-XCH-MB01.CAS.com>
Message-ID: <4CFFB093.7000104@tuunq.com>

On 12/8/2010 6:52 AM, Schwartz, Robert - IS wrote:
> Recently I've started receiving spam messages submitted to by mailing
> list.  How can I reject all email not submitted by members without having
> to add them to a list?

There's an admin check box to reject & discard non-member messages. Check 
the FAQ for more details. (That'll answer you other question, too).  Also, 
are you spam-filtering before the email gets to mailman? It's a good idea.

z!

From Robert.Schwartz at cas-inc.com  Wed Dec  8 16:55:42 2010
From: Robert.Schwartz at cas-inc.com (Schwartz, Robert - IS)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:55:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to add a footer to every user?
Message-ID: <60109845CFBCA042AA05AFDD8F5A5CFFB6E57F30@CAS-XCH-MB01.CAS.com>

I would like to know how to add a footer to every user in my list and I want to let everybody in my list unsubscribe just clicking over a link that I will add in to the footer.
How do you set this up in the web interface?

From Robert.Schwartz at cas-inc.com  Wed Dec  8 18:08:08 2010
From: Robert.Schwartz at cas-inc.com (Schwartz, Robert - IS)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:08:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer shows up as attachment
Message-ID: <60109845CFBCA042AA05AFDD8F5A5CFFB6E5815B@CAS-XCH-MB01.CAS.com>

I'm adding a footer to every email to allow user to unsubscribe.  It is showing up as an attachment.  I've set Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments have been stripped. To yes.  But this is not working.  When I post to this website my message is sent back with a footer to unsubscribe which is exactly what I want.

Robert



From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec  8 18:06:28 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:06:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe request
In-Reply-To: <60109845CFBCA042AA05AFDD8F5A5CFFB6E57D8F@CAS-XCH-MB01.CAS.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012080906280062e0f2bfda@MSAPIRO>

Schwartz, Robert - IS wrote:

>How can I add an unsubscribe request to the bottom of all emails sent out?  Example:  "To unsubscribe select this link"


Without modifying code or creating your own CGI, PHP, etc. process to
do the unsubscribe, you can't have a one-click unsubscribe that
doesn't require confirmation.

What this list and others do is something like the following which
takes you to a page with an unsubscribe button which requires
confirmation by email or login to unsubscribe without confirmation.

>Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/user%40example.com

The above is created with the text

Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s

in msg_footer. You could make this, e.g..

Unsubscribe:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/user%40example.com?login-unsub=Unsubscribe

to do the equivalent of clicking the Unsubscribe button on the options
login page by putting

Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s?login-unsub=Unsubscribe

in msg_footer.

Either of the above require the list to be personalized in order to
work, and they can't be used with digest_footer because digests aren't
personalized.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec  8 18:10:32 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:10:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to add a footer to every user?
In-Reply-To: <60109845CFBCA042AA05AFDD8F5A5CFFB6E57F30@CAS-XCH-MB01.CAS.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012080910320343bffe72b7@MSAPIRO>

Schwartz, Robert - IS wrote:

>I would like to know how to add a footer to every user in my list and I want to let everybody in my list unsubscribe just clicking over a link that I will add in to the footer.
>How do you set this up in the web interface?


See the reply to your "unsubscribe request" post at
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-December/070723.html>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec  8 18:24:02 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:24:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer shows up as attachment
In-Reply-To: <60109845CFBCA042AA05AFDD8F5A5CFFB6E5815B@CAS-XCH-MB01.CAS.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012080924020796554f899e@MSAPIRO>

Schwartz, Robert - IS wrote:

>I'm adding a footer to every email to allow user to unsubscribe.  It is showing up as an attachment.  I've set Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments have been stripped. To yes.  But this is not working.  When I post to this website my message is sent back with a footer to unsubscribe which is exactly what I want.


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9>.

To accomplish this with content filtering, you also need to set "Should
Mailman collapse multipart/alternative to its first part content?" to
Yes, and even that may not work with all posts depending on their
original MIME structure.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec  8 18:38:16 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:38:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer shows up as attachment
In-Reply-To: <60109845CFBCA042AA05AFDD8F5A5CFFB6E9F258@CAS-XCH-MB01.CAS.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520101208093816043719ece785@MSAPIRO>

Schwartz, Robert - IS wrote:

>It is set to yes.  I'll try submitting the message as plain text.


In reply to:
>
>See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9>.
>
>To accomplish this with content filtering, you also need to set "Should
>Mailman collapse multipart/alternative to its first part content?" to
>Yes, and even that may not work with all posts depending on their
>original MIME structure.


Posting plain text only will work, but if this is a discussion list,
you can't control what others post. You may need to remove all HTML
rather than converting it by putting something like

multipart
text/plain

in pass_mime_types (i.e., no text/html), and setting an appropriate
filter_action to handle HTML only posts.

Or you can try the mimedefang method referenced in the above FAQ.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 21:01:13 2010
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JRC Groups)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:01:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010120808132002814de8f8ed@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <C9252409.18970F%joemailgroups@gmail>

Mark,

I am extremely grateful that you took the time to help me with this issue.
In order for me to make the changes you recommended please allow me to ask
some truly basic questions since I have no experience with Unix or editing
system files.

Is there a simpler way than Terminal (command line) to edit these files and
then resave them ? Something along the lines of a text editor. Or do I need
to use Terminal to do it ?

In this case, if Terminal is necessary, can you guide on how to take a step
by step approach to getting it done ? I have never edited a file (specially
a system file) in Terminal before and don't know how to go about it.


On 12/8/10 8:13 AM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> JRC Groups wrote:
>> 
>> ###############################################
>> # Here's where we get the distributed defaults.
>> 
>> from Defaults import *
>> 
>> ##################################################
>> # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
>> MTA = 'Postfix'
>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dentserv.main.private'
>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'dentserv.main.private'
>> 
> 
> 
> Assuming that all your Mailman lists are/will be in the domain.com
> domain and that mail will be sent to addresses like LIST at domain.com
> and web access to mailman will be via URLs beginning
> 'http://www.domain.com/' (if this will be 'http://domain.com/', drop
> the 'www.' below), change the above two lines to

Yes. The lists will all be associated with one single domain. I have the
server set up for virtual hosting and the domain used for the lists is one
of the virtual domains (not the primary domain). All lists will be set up
under one single domain. At the moment I have only one list set up. I am
trying to have it working right before I attempt to create other lists.
 
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain.com'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.domain.com'
> 
> and add
> 
> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
 
Where exactly do I add it ? Right below the two lines above ?
 
> The original error and your postconf -n post indicate that domain.com
> is not local in Postfix. Thus you also need to add here
> 
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['domain.com']

Where exactly do I add this line ? Is the location of the line in the file
important or relevant ?
 
> After editing mm_cfg.py as above, run
> 
> sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url
> 
> followed by
> 
> sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/genaliases
> 
> This should fix the mailman side of things, but I'm a bit confused.
> 
> I think this will create/update the files aliases. aliases.db,
> virtual-mailman and virtual-mailman.db in the directory
> /usr/share/mailman/data/.
> 
> My confusion is that your postconf -n had
> 
> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases,hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases
> 
> which says Mailman's aliases are in /var/mailman/data. This could be
> incorrect, or /var/mailman/data/ or /var/mailman/data/aliases* could
> be symlinks or Mailman might be configured with var-prefix =
> /var/mailman which would put the aliases* and virtual-mailman* files
> in /var/mailman/data/.
> 
> I will assume the latter which means you should add
> hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman to virtual_alias_maps in
> Postfix main.cf to make it
> 
> virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_users,
>                      hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

How do add it ?
 
> and then reload the Postfix service.

In OS X's Server Admin there is an option under the Mail tab that allows
Mail services to be stopped and then restarted again. Will this reload
Postfix as you recommend ?

> In any case, the hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases in alias_maps and
> hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman in virtual_alias_maps should
> point to the files updated by Mailman's genaliases above.

How do I verify if it is doing it ?

Thank you again for your help.


Joe



From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  9 00:51:18 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:51:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <C9252409.18970F%joemailgroups@gmail>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120815511805313daba465@MSAPIRO>

JRC Groups wrote:
>
>I am extremely grateful that you took the time to help me with this issue.
>In order for me to make the changes you recommended please allow me to ask
>some truly basic questions since I have no experience with Unix or editing
>system files.
>
>Is there a simpler way than Terminal (command line) to edit these files and
>then resave them ? Something along the lines of a text editor. Or do I need
>to use Terminal to do it ?


You can edit the files with the TextEdit application, but there may be
serious issues with permissions or even navigating to the files in
Finder or the TextEdit open dialog.


I suggest you do the following:

To change the postfix main.cf file, use the postconf command's -e
option as in

> sudo postconf -e "virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_users, hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman"

(above command is all on one line) See "man postconf" for details.

To edit mm_cfg.py, in terminal you can do

> sudo /Applications/TextEdit.app/Comtents/MacOS/TextEdit /usr/share/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py

(above command is all on one line) This will open the file in TextEdit
in a way that you can save your changes.

There may be better ways to do this. For example, on my Mac I have a
'root' user I can log on to. I would log on as this user and open
terminal and then invoke the 'vi' editor on the files, but I can't
explain how to use 'vi' as simply as I can explain the above.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com  Thu Dec  9 01:05:44 2010
From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:05:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <C9252409.18970F%joemailgroups@gmail>
Message-ID: <C9257978.A0343%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>

On 12/8/10 2:01 PM, JRC Groups at joemailgroups at gmail.com wrote:

> Is there a simpler way than Terminal (command line) to edit these files and
> then resave them ? Something along the lines of a text editor. Or do I need
> to use Terminal to do it ?
> 
> In this case, if Terminal is necessary, can you guide on how to take a step
> by step approach to getting it done ? I have never edited a file (specially
> a system file) in Terminal before and don't know how to go about it.

This is somewhat off-topic for the Mailman list but if you want to do any
sort of advanced system administration on a Macintosh, you need, IMHO, to be
familiar with Unix shell commands and related utility. The Mac OS X Terminal
program just creates a shell process and window where you then execute shell
commands. 

At a minimum, you need to be familiar with certain basic commands like ls
(directory) and commands for creating (touch among others), renaming/MoVing
(mv), and deleting/ReMoving (rm) files and directories (mkdir, mv, and rmdir
respectively). You also need to be familiar with one of the standard text
editors (vi or emacs) as well as commands for dealing with file ownership
(chown) and permissions (chmod).

-- 
Larry Stone
lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
http://www.stonejongleux.com/



From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 01:45:16 2010
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JRC Groups)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:45:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010120815511805313daba465@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <C925669C.189789%joemailgroups@gmail>

Mark,


Again I can't thank you enough for all your help.

I've done some research and received some advice from others on how to
accomplish this with BBEdit which I have found to be a superbly simple and
efficient way to accomplish this. I download the free trial demo and used it
to edit mm_cfg.py file following your recommendations. I also ran the two
sudo commands as you suggested.

This is the output from the Terminal window:

> Last login: Tue Dec  7 18:19:11 on ttys000
> dentserv:~ locadmin$ sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url
> Password:
> Importing fix_url...
> Running fix_url.fix_url()...
> Loading list implants (locked)
> Saving list
> Loading list mailman (locked)
> Saving list
> Finalizing
> dentserv:~ locadmin$ sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/genaliases
> dentserv:~ locadmin$

I am trying as I type this to continue with the second part of your
recommendations. Where exactly do I find the Postfix main.cf file so that I
can edit it also ?

On a different note, why is the clock on top of the terminal window above
displaying Dec 7 18:19:11 when it is now Dec 8, 4:41 pm here in California ?
The clock on the menu bar of the server computer has the proper time but the
Terminal window seems to be almost a day behind. Could this be a problem ?

Thanks again,


Joe



On 12/8/10 3:51 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> JRC Groups wrote:
>> 
>> I am extremely grateful that you took the time to help me with this issue.
>> In order for me to make the changes you recommended please allow me to ask
>> some truly basic questions since I have no experience with Unix or editing
>> system files.
>> 
>> Is there a simpler way than Terminal (command line) to edit these files and
>> then resave them ? Something along the lines of a text editor. Or do I need
>> to use Terminal to do it ?
> 
> 
> You can edit the files with the TextEdit application, but there may be
> serious issues with permissions or even navigating to the files in
> Finder or the TextEdit open dialog.
>
> I suggest you do the following:
> 
> To change the postfix main.cf file, use the postconf command's -e
> option as in
> 
>> sudo postconf -e "virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_users,
>> hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman"
> 
> (above command is all on one line) See "man postconf" for details.
> 
> To edit mm_cfg.py, in terminal you can do
> 
>> sudo /Applications/TextEdit.app/Comtents/MacOS/TextEdit
>> /usr/share/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
> 
> (above command is all on one line) This will open the file in TextEdit
> in a way that you can save your changes.
> 
> There may be better ways to do this. For example, on my Mac I have a
> 'root' user I can log on to. I would log on as this user and open
> terminal and then invoke the 'vi' editor on the files, but I can't
> explain how to use 'vi' as simply as I can explain the above.



From chris.tandiono at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 01:48:55 2010
From: chris.tandiono at gmail.com (Chris Tandiono)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:48:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <C925669C.189789%joemailgroups@gmail>
References: <C925669C.189789%joemailgroups@gmail>
Message-ID: <op.vne8js047rcpqb@g31m-es2l.c-71-202-180-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net>

On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:45:16 -0800, JRC Groups <joemailgroups at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> On a different note, why is the clock on top of the terminal window above
> displaying Dec 7 18:19:11 when it is now Dec 8, 4:41 pm here in  
> California ?
> The clock on the menu bar of the server computer has the proper time but  
> the
> Terminal window seems to be almost a day behind. Could this be a problem  
> ?

That's the "last login" date, i.e., the last date you logged in, which  
evidently was about a day ago. If you open up Terminal again it'll have  
changed to some time today.

Also, might I recommend iTerm instead of Terminal? I can never get end and  
home to work properly in Terminal; they scroll up and down instead (which  
is fine for most Mac OS X apps, but the point of the Terminal is to be  
UNIX-y). They work in iTerm.

Chris

From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 01:58:00 2010
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JRC Groups)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:58:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010120815511805313daba465@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <C9256998.18978B%joemailgroups@gmail>

Mark,


I located the Postfix's main.cf file in /private/etc/postfix/main.cf and
made the change you recommended. I then stopped Main services and restarted
it.

What is the best way to test if the list is now working properly ?

Also, I followed a discussion on another forum where a new user reported
having problems with OS X Server in regards to archives. According to him
after using Mailman for a while he went to check for logs and archives only
to found nothing there. What is the best way to set up Mailman now so that I
have logs and (most importantly) archives of all posts that I can search in
the future ? He also mentioned something about making the list private so
that its contents wouldn't be search, found and indexed by search engines
like Google. Is this even a possibility and in case it is what steps should
I take to ensure the contents of my lists will remain private and only
visible to those that are members ?

Thank you again,


Joe



From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  9 02:16:53 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:16:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <op.vne8js047rcpqb@g31m-es2l.c-71-202-180-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <PC195201012081716530718d2ddb4c3@MSAPIRO>

Chris Tandiono wrote:
>
>That's the "last login" date, i.e., the last date you logged in, which  
>evidently was about a day ago.


Correct.


>If you open up Terminal again it'll have  
>changed to some time today.


No. In order to change the "last login" time, you have to actually log
off and back on again. Simply quitting and reopening terminal won't do
it.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  9 02:26:09 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:26:09 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <C9256998.18978B%joemailgroups@gmail>
Message-ID: <PC195201012081726090296d2ddb2f1@MSAPIRO>

JRC Groups wrote:
>
>What is the best way to test if the list is now working properly ?


Try to send a message to the list or maybe send a message with subject
"help" to the list-request address.


>Also, I followed a discussion on another forum where a new user reported
>having problems with OS X Server in regards to archives. According to him
>after using Mailman for a while he went to check for logs and archives only
>to found nothing there. What is the best way to set up Mailman now so that I
>have logs and (most importantly) archives of all posts that I can search in
>the future ?


Try running

  sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/check_perms -f

If it runs cleanly (don't worry about the warning about
archives/private being world searchable) logging and archiving should
work.

Also make sure your list's Mailman web admin Archiving Options ->
Archive messages? setting is Yes.


>He also mentioned something about making the list private so
>that its contents wouldn't be search, found and indexed by search engines
>like Google. Is this even a possibility and in case it is what steps should
>I take to ensure the contents of my lists will remain private and only
>visible to those that are members ?


On the same Archiving Options page set archive_private to private, and
yes, if archive_private is public, the archives are world accessible
via the web (at least assuming the host is reachable), and will be
indexed in search engines.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  9 02:44:48 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 17:44:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012081716530718d2ddb4c3@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201012081716530718d2ddb4c3@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4D003490.3090003@msapiro.net>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Chris Tandiono wrote:
> 
>>If you open up Terminal again it'll have  
>>changed to some time today.
> 
> 
> No. In order to change the "last login" time, you have to actually log
> off and back on again. Simply quitting and reopening terminal won't do
> it.


Nevermind! Chris is correct. I'm not sure what I did wrong when I
checked this, but quitting and reopening terminal is sufficient to
update the displayed "last login" time.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 02:51:16 2010
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JRC Groups)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 17:51:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012081726090296d2ddb2f1@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <C9257614.1897A3%joemailgroups@gmail>

On 12/8/10 5:26 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> JRC Groups wrote:
>> 
>> What is the best way to test if the list is now working properly ?
> 
> Try to send a message to the list or maybe send a message with subject
> "help" to the list-request address.

I sent the message and this is what the log in Server Admin shows:

Dec  8 17:48:13 dentserv postfix/smtpd[37996]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
mail-gw0-f52.google.com[74.125.83.52]: 450 4.7.1
<Implants-request at 3wforum.com>: Recipient address rejected: Service is
unavailable; from=<joemailgroups at gmail.com>
to=<Implants-request at 3wforum.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail-gw0-f52.google.com>
Dec  8 17:48:13 dentserv postfix/smtpd[37996]: disconnect from
mail-gw0-f52.google.com[74.125.83.52]
 

>> Also, I followed a discussion on another forum where a new user reported
>> having problems with OS X Server in regards to archives. According to him
>> after using Mailman for a while he went to check for logs and archives only
>> to found nothing there. What is the best way to set up Mailman now so that I
>> have logs and (most importantly) archives of all posts that I can search in
>> the future ?
> 
> 
> Try running
> 
>   sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
> 
> If it runs cleanly (don't worry about the warning about
> archives/private being world searchable) logging and archiving should
> work.

I ran it and the following is the output:

dentserv:~ locadmin$ sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
Password:
Warning: Private archive directory is other-executable (o+x).
         This could allow other users on your system to read private
archives.
         If you're on a shared multiuser system, you should consult the
         installation manual on how to fix this.
/private/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db owned by root (must be owned by
_mailman (fixing)
/private/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db permissions must be 066x (got
0100640) (fixing)
Problems found: 2
Re-run as _mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix
 

> Also make sure your list's Mailman web admin Archiving Options ->
> Archive messages? setting is Yes.
 
I made the changes.
 
>> He also mentioned something about making the list private so
>> that its contents wouldn't be search, found and indexed by search engines
>> like Google. Is this even a possibility and in case it is what steps should
>> I take to ensure the contents of my lists will remain private and only
>> visible to those that are members ?
> 
> 
> On the same Archiving Options page set archive_private to private, and
> yes, if archive_private is public, the archives are world accessible
> via the web (at least assuming the host is reachable), and will be
> indexed in search engines.

Thank you, Mark. I am glad I've caught that before launching the list as it
will hold discussions that are required to be maintained private and
confidential (HIPAA law).

Thank you, Mark.



From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  9 03:07:37 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:07:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <C9257614.1897A3%joemailgroups@gmail>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120818073702183daba33f@MSAPIRO>

JRC Groups wrote:
>
>I sent the message and this is what the log in Server Admin shows:
>
>Dec  8 17:48:13 dentserv postfix/smtpd[37996]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
>mail-gw0-f52.google.com[74.125.83.52]: 450 4.7.1
><Implants-request at 3wforum.com>: Recipient address rejected: Service is
>unavailable; from=<joemailgroups at gmail.com>
>to=<Implants-request at 3wforum.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail-gw0-f52.google.com>
>Dec  8 17:48:13 dentserv postfix/smtpd[37996]: disconnect from
>mail-gw0-f52.google.com[74.125.83.52]


This is Apple Postfix's greylisting at work. googlemail should retry
the send after a few minutes and it should succeed. See, e.g.,
<http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=10151235>.



>> Try running
>> 
>>   sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
>> 
>> If it runs cleanly (don't worry about the warning about
>> archives/private being world searchable) logging and archiving should
>> work.
>
>I ran it and the following is the output:
>
>dentserv:~ locadmin$ sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
>Password:
>Warning: Private archive directory is other-executable (o+x).
>         This could allow other users on your system to read private
>archives.
>         If you're on a shared multiuser system, you should consult the
>         installation manual on how to fix this.


This is the warning I meant to ignore.


>/private/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db owned by root (must be owned by
>_mailman (fixing)
>/private/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db permissions must be 066x (got
>0100640) (fixing)
>Problems found: 2
>Re-run as _mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix


You already ran it via sudo with -f so the problems with
virtual-mailman.db should be fixed now.


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From listeyon at metu.edu.tr  Thu Dec  9 08:29:18 2010
From: listeyon at metu.edu.tr (Liste Yoneticisi)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 09:29:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives
Message-ID: <4D00854E.8020408@metu.edu.tr>

Hello;

I am trying to implement a search tool for Mailman Archives.

In our system, there are more than 400 lists, and the size of their 
archives vary, since there are more than 10 years old lists addition to 
new lists.

There are several alternatives.
htdig, xapian etc.

Which one do you recommend?

Is there a practical tool which I can just install and implement, or is 
there an additional patch need?

Thank you very much.
Evrim AKMAN

From odhiambo at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 13:08:00 2010
From: odhiambo at gmail.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:08:00 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives
In-Reply-To: <4D00854E.8020408@metu.edu.tr>
References: <4D00854E.8020408@metu.edu.tr>
Message-ID: <AANLkTing4QMcOA1sO2AW8g2KakzSDeAbf1SD=6kux8KU@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Liste Yoneticisi <listeyon at metu.edu.tr>wrote:

> Hello;
>
> I am trying to implement a search tool for Mailman Archives.
>
> In our system, there are more than 400 lists, and the size of their
> archives vary, since there are more than 10 years old lists addition to new
> lists.
>
> There are several alternatives.
> htdig, xapian etc.
>
>
There is no harm in installing and testing all of them until you find one
you are happy with.

-- 
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254733744121/+254722743223
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Damn!!

From ptomblin at xcski.com  Thu Dec  9 13:49:47 2010
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:49:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives
In-Reply-To: <4D00854E.8020408@metu.edu.tr>
References: <4D00854E.8020408@metu.edu.tr>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinoMevmo2_r=nN5k9P1BM2zkNhYcj+xWCK7inW6@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Liste Yoneticisi <listeyon at metu.edu.tr> wrote:
> In our system, there are more than 400 lists, and the size of their archives
> vary, since there are more than 10 years old lists addition to new lists.
>
> There are several alternatives.
> htdig, xapian etc.

If you find one that allows you to still use the mailman login system
so that only members of a list can view the archives, please let me
know.  I looked at a few archive searchers, but it appears they all
either make the list archives public, or you can do a htaccess thing
which will require you to change the password every time somebody
leaves the list and tell all the current members the new password,
etc.


-- 
http://www.linkedin.com/in/paultomblin
http://careers.stackoverflow.com/ptomblin

From listeyon at metu.edu.tr  Thu Dec  9 13:52:26 2010
From: listeyon at metu.edu.tr (Liste Yoneticisi)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:52:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinoMevmo2_r=nN5k9P1BM2zkNhYcj+xWCK7inW6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D00854E.8020408@metu.edu.tr>
	<AANLkTinoMevmo2_r=nN5k9P1BM2zkNhYcj+xWCK7inW6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D00D10A.9000005@metu.edu.tr>

I meant private archives, which can be reached after submiting an e-mail 
and password.

09.12.2010 14:49, Paul Tomblin yazm??:
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Liste Yoneticisi<listeyon at metu.edu.tr>  wrote:
>> In our system, there are more than 400 lists, and the size of their archives
>> vary, since there are more than 10 years old lists addition to new lists.
>>
>> There are several alternatives.
>> htdig, xapian etc.
>
> If you find one that allows you to still use the mailman login system
> so that only members of a list can view the archives, please let me
> know.  I looked at a few archive searchers, but it appears they all
> either make the list archives public, or you can do a htaccess thing
> which will require you to change the password every time somebody
> leaves the list and tell all the current members the new password,
> etc.
>
>


From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Thu Dec  9 14:12:02 2010
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:12:02 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinoMevmo2_r=nN5k9P1BM2zkNhYcj+xWCK7inW6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D00854E.8020408@metu.edu.tr>
	<AANLkTinoMevmo2_r=nN5k9P1BM2zkNhYcj+xWCK7inW6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101209131202.GP8672@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 07:49:47AM -0500, Paul Tomblin wrote:
> I looked at a few archive searchers, but it appears they all
> either make the list archives public, or you can do a htaccess thing
> which will require you to change the password every time somebody
> leaves the list and tell all the current members the new password,
> etc.

One could, always, re-implement the login system &c, but there's still
the scope that authentication methods probably won't prevent
(authorized) people from taking copies of the data, for example.

-- 
"Tony Blair has made 'morale boosting' visits
 to the wives of servicemen serving in the Gulf." 
    -- BBC News

From chris at westnet.com  Thu Dec  9 14:40:43 2010
From: chris at westnet.com (Christopher X. Candreva)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:40:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives
In-Reply-To: <4D00854E.8020408@metu.edu.tr>
References: <4D00854E.8020408@metu.edu.tr>
Message-ID: <alpine.GSO.2.01.1012090840060.9618@westnet.com>

On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Liste Yoneticisi wrote:

> Hello;
> 
> I am trying to implement a search tool for Mailman Archives.

I've always liked swish for indexing web sites and mailing list archives

http://www.swish-e.org/

==========================================================
Chris Candreva  -- chris at westnet.com -- (914) 948-3162
WestNet Internet Services of Westchester
http://www.westnet.com/

From fmouse-mailman at fmp.com  Thu Dec  9 14:59:48 2010
From: fmouse-mailman at fmp.com (Lindsay Haisley)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 07:59:48 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinoMevmo2_r=nN5k9P1BM2zkNhYcj+xWCK7inW6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D00854E.8020408@metu.edu.tr>
	<AANLkTinoMevmo2_r=nN5k9P1BM2zkNhYcj+xWCK7inW6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1291903188.1674.31.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 07:49 -0500, Paul Tomblin wrote:
> If you find one that allows you to still use the mailman login system
> so that only members of a list can view the archives, please let me
> know.  I looked at a few archive searchers, but it appears they all
> either make the list archives public, or you can do a htaccess thing
> which will require you to change the password every time somebody
> leaves the list and tell all the current members the new password,
> etc.

About three years ago I worked out a complete system for integrating
Namazu with Mailman, and it's still successfully in use on my production
servers.   You can find it at <http://www.fmp.com/namazu>.  This is the
guts of the system.  I've subsequently added the ability to mailman to
read the index.html file in the Pipermail archive in a PHP context which
allows the use of an accessory list of lists which are authorized to use
the namazu search, while others don't offer this ability.

There are a few glitches in this, since the integration of namazu and
mailman is imperfect by nature.  Keep in mind that all this was written
three years ago, for a previous version of Mailman.  Additionally,
Namazu's date sort is, or was, dependent on the file dates in the
pipermail structure, rather than parsing dates from files, so if you
move your archives to a new system the date sort becomes quite broken if
the file creation dates are munged.  This is a namazu issue.  The author
of Namazu struggles with English, and I have no knowledge of Japanese,
so I wasn't able to get very far in resolving this.

I put quite a lot of work into this project, but have moved on and am
doing other things, so if someone with the knowledge and skills to do so
wants to grab it and run with it, updating it and improving it, please
have at.  I've forgotten a lot of the details that went into the design
of this, although the project contains a lot of documentation which I
wrote at the time, so if you have problems, read the code and figure it
out if you can.  Don't ask me for support.  Just make any necessary
changes or improvements, send them to me, and I'll post them to the
collection on the web server.

-- 
Lindsay Haisley       | "In an open world,    |     PGP public key
FMP Computer Services |    who needs Windows  |      available at
512-259-1190          |      or Gates"        | http://pubkeys.fmp.com
http://www.fmp.com    |                       |



From leonard at vivisimo.com  Thu Dec  9 14:48:29 2010
From: leonard at vivisimo.com (Roger D. Leonard)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:48:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working
Message-ID: <90153CA257B60541A3B8699C1CCCC1131306BF5818@AUSP01VMBX30.collaborationhost.net>

Hi,

I recently set up a mailman server for internal use and as list owner I am getting confirmation emails for every posting even though I set DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION = 0 in all the lists and restarted mailman.

I'm missing something here.  How do I get it to accept all emails from non-members without list owner intervention?

Thanks


From tobias at koopmann-mail.de  Wed Dec  8 19:36:02 2010
From: tobias at koopmann-mail.de (Tobias Koopmann)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:36:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Browser/Cookie-Problem?
Message-ID: <002f01cb9706$c48d65b0$4da83110$@koopmann-mail.de>

Hello there,

i'm relativ new to Mailman.
Now I've got following Software working
Apache + Mailman 2.1.13 + Postfix on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
Apache-configuration:

# Sample configuration for Debian mailman with Apache

# We can find mailman here:
#ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/mailman/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/
# And the public archives:
Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
# Logos:
Alias /images/mailman/ /usr/share/images/mailman/

# Use this if you don't want the "cgi-bin" component in your URL:
# In case you want to access mailman through a shorter URL you should enable
# this:
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/
# In this case you need to set the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN in
# /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py to http://%s/mailman/ for the cookie
# authentication code to work.  Note that you need to change the base
# URL for all the already-created lists as well.

<Directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/>
    AllowOverride None
    Options ExecCGI
    AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>
<Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/>
    Options Indexes FollowSymlinks
    AllowOverride None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>
<Directory /usr/share/images/mailman/>
    AllowOverride None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

Now my Problem is the following:
After a user subscribes to a mailinglist and opens the confirmation link and
clicks the confirmation button hes got redirected to an "Enter confirmation
cookie"-Page. But after entering the confirmation cookie nothing happens,
the same page is shown again.

Other ActionButtons also don't work.

By the way I redirect all Requests on Port 80 to 443. So all actions happens
over https. I hope that's no problem...

Greetz.

Tobias

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  9 16:07:53 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:07:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives
In-Reply-To: <4D00854E.8020408@metu.edu.tr>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120907075307036a045d74@MSAPIRO>

Liste Yoneticisi wrote:
>
>Is there a practical tool which I can just install and implement, or is 
>there an additional patch need?


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/MoA9>

For public archives you could just install a search engine along side
Mailman or use one of the public archiving sites with search
capability.

To privately search private archves or to integrate searching (e.g. a
search form on the archive TOC pages) requires patches in Mailman 2.1.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  9 16:21:10 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:21:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives
In-Reply-To: <1291903188.1674.31.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120907211009846a045e62@MSAPIRO>

Lindsay Haisley wrote:

>
>Additionally,
>Namazu's date sort is, or was, dependent on the file dates in the
>pipermail structure, rather than parsing dates from files, so if you
>move your archives to a new system the date sort becomes quite broken if
>the file creation dates are munged.


See the script at <http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/update_archive_mtime>
(mirrored at
<http://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/update_archive_mtime>) for a way
to set the file times by parsing dates from the files.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  9 16:26:02 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:26:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinoMevmo2_r=nN5k9P1BM2zkNhYcj+xWCK7inW6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120907260204066a045c18@MSAPIRO>

Paul Tomblin wrote:
>
>If you find one that allows you to still use the mailman login system
>so that only members of a list can view the archives, please let me
>know.


Lindsay Haisley has replied with one. See the patches at
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266553> and
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266554> for another.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  9 16:38:34 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:38:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working
In-Reply-To: <90153CA257B60541A3B8699C1CCCC1131306BF5818@AUSP01VMBX30.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <PC19520101209073834004621064f90@MSAPIRO>

Roger D. Leonard wrote:
>
>I recently set up a mailman server for internal use and as list owner I am getting confirmation emails for every posting even though I set DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION = 0 in all the lists and restarted mailman.


DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION is the default setting for newly
created lists. Changing it has no effect on any existing list.

Go to the web admin interface Privacy options... -> Sender filters and
set generic_nonmember_action to Accept or use bin/config_list to set

generic_nonmember_action = 0

for the list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  9 16:43:21 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:43:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Browser/Cookie-Problem?
In-Reply-To: <002f01cb9706$c48d65b0$4da83110$@koopmann-mail.de>
Message-ID: <PC19520101209074321012521064fd2@MSAPIRO>

Tobias Koopmann wrote:
>
>Now my Problem is the following:
>After a user subscribes to a mailinglist and opens the confirmation link and
>clicks the confirmation button hes got redirected to an "Enter confirmation
>cookie"-Page. But after entering the confirmation cookie nothing happens,
>the same page is shown again.
>
>Other ActionButtons also don't work.
>
>By the way I redirect all Requests on Port 80 to 443. So all actions happens
>over https. I hope that's no problem...


That is exactly the problem. The redirect loses all the POST data. See
the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/7oA9> for instructions on changing
the scheme from http to https in Mailman URLs.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From leonard at vivisimo.com  Thu Dec  9 17:16:21 2010
From: leonard at vivisimo.com (Roger D. Leonard)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:16:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working
In-Reply-To: <PC19520101209073834004621064f90@MSAPIRO>
References: <90153CA257B60541A3B8699C1CCCC1131306BF5818@AUSP01VMBX30.collaborationhost.net>
	<PC19520101209073834004621064f90@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <90153CA257B60541A3B8699C1CCCC1131306BF585D@AUSP01VMBX30.collaborationhost.net>

Thanks mark, 

I did that and it still does it.  looking at the config shows it as 0 as well. I even restarted mailman. that's what has me baffled.  see output of config_list attached.  is there another setting I need to change?


thanks

roger

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 10:39 AM
To: Roger D. Leonard; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working

Roger D. Leonard wrote:
>
>I recently set up a mailman server for internal use and as list owner I am getting confirmation emails for every posting even though I set DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION = 0 in all the lists and restarted mailman.


DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION is the default setting for newly
created lists. Changing it has no effect on any existing list.

Go to the web admin interface Privacy options... -> Sender filters and
set generic_nonmember_action to Accept or use bin/config_list to set

generic_nonmember_action = 0

for the list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  9 17:30:22 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:30:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working
In-Reply-To: <90153CA257B60541A3B8699C1CCCC1131306BF585D@AUSP01VMBX30.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120908302203120f42e70e@MSAPIRO>

Roger D. Leonard wrote:
>
>I did that and it still does it.  looking at the config shows it as 0 as well.
>I even restarted mailman. that's what has me baffled.  see output of config_list
>attached.  is there another setting I need to change?


For what reason are the messages being held? What does the
"confirmation email" you receive say?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From leonard at vivisimo.com  Thu Dec  9 17:34:09 2010
From: leonard at vivisimo.com (Roger D. Leonard)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:34:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010120908302203120f42e70e@MSAPIRO>
References: <90153CA257B60541A3B8699C1CCCC1131306BF585D@AUSP01VMBX30.collaborationhost.net>
	<PC1952010120908302203120f42e70e@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <90153CA257B60541A3B8699C1CCCC1131306BF586E@AUSP01VMBX30.collaborationhost.net>

Heres a message from another list that just did it.

The Havana-internal at lists.vivisimo.com mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your consideration at:

	http://lists.vivisimo.com/mailman/admindb/havana-internal
	
Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.


Pending posts:
From: trac at hav-secureci.vivisimo.com on Wed Dec  8 20:43:36 2010
Subject: Re: [HAVANA] #206: Corrupt sqlite database after server crash
Cause: Message has implicit destination





-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:30 AM
To: Roger D. Leonard; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working

Roger D. Leonard wrote:
>
>I did that and it still does it.  looking at the config shows it as 0 as well.
>I even restarted mailman. that's what has me baffled.  see output of config_list
>attached.  is there another setting I need to change?


For what reason are the messages being held? What does the
"confirmation email" you receive say?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  9 17:46:38 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:46:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working
In-Reply-To: <90153CA257B60541A3B8699C1CCCC1131306BF586E@AUSP01VMBX30.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120908463801090f42e653@MSAPIRO>

Roger D. Leonard wrote:

>Heres a message from another list that just did it.
[...]
>Pending posts:
>From: trac at hav-secureci.vivisimo.com on Wed Dec  8 20:43:36 2010
>Subject: Re: [HAVANA] #206: Corrupt sqlite database after server crash
>Cause: Message has implicit destination


This message was held because the list was not explicitly addressed in
a To: or Cc: header of the post. See the settings
require_explicit_destination and acceptable_aliases on the Privacy
options... -> Recipient filters page.	

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Thu Dec  9 21:34:46 2010
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 22:34:46 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working
In-Reply-To: <90153CA257B60541A3B8699C1CCCC1131306BF5818@AUSP01VMBX30.collaborationhost.net>
References: <90153CA257B60541A3B8699C1CCCC1131306BF5818@AUSP01VMBX30.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.1012092232570.4107@data.home>

On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Roger D. Leonard wrote:

> I'm missing something here.  How do I get it to accept all emails from 
> non-members without list owner intervention?

Apart from what people have already told you, if you want to make a list 
accept *all* non-member postings, you'll also need to set the max number 
of recipients to 0 (unlimited) in Privacy/Recipient Filters, and also set 
the max message size to 0 (unlimited) in General settings.

Geoff.


From knabe at 4j.lane.edu  Thu Dec  9 22:00:00 2010
From: knabe at 4j.lane.edu (Troy Knabe)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:00:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] authors
Message-ID: <0b9201cb97e4$0ae57a60$20b06f20$@lane.edu>

I have an administrator requesting a list of everyone who has sent an
email to their list.  Is there any way to quickly obtain that information?
This is a public list that lots of non-members send to.

 

Thanks

-Troy

 


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec  9 23:36:01 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:36:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] authors
In-Reply-To: <0b9201cb97e4$0ae57a60$20b06f20$@lane.edu>
Message-ID: <PC195201012091436010359e75856a8@MSAPIRO>

Troy Knabe wrote:

>I have an administrator requesting a list of everyone who has sent an
>email to their list.  Is there any way to quickly obtain that information?
>This is a public list that lots of non-members send to.


 grep "From " $var_prefix/archives/private/$list.mbox/$list.mbox | \
 awk '{print $2}' | sort -u

where $var_prefix is the path to Mailman's archives/ directory and
$list is the list name.

This will get an unduplicated list of the envelope senders of all posts
that made it to the list.

Also, if you don't rotate Mailman's logs, you could get similar
information from the 'post' log.

If you want all senders of any message to the list regardless of
whether or not it was accepted, you'd need to get that from the MTA
log if it goes back far enough.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ges at wingfoot.org  Fri Dec 10 00:07:17 2010
From: ges at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:07:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] authors
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012091436010359e75856a8@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201012091436010359e75856a8@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4D016125.9030507@wingfoot.org>

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On 12/9/10 5:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>  grep "From " $var_prefix/archives/private/$list.mbox/$list.mbox | \
>  awk '{print $2}' | sort -u

Wouldn't

grep "^From "...

(or egrep, depending on your toolkit)

work better? Otherwise you grab any sentences that begin with "From " as
well.. like "From what I've heard..."

Of course you'll still get "<blank line>From ..." if people have
something similar for quote attributions.

Best,
- --Glenn
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From ges at wingfoot.org  Fri Dec 10 00:18:32 2010
From: ges at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:18:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] authors
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012091436010359e75856a8@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201012091436010359e75856a8@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4D0163C8.7010909@wingfoot.org>

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On 12/9/10 5:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>  grep "From " $var_prefix/archives/private/$list.mbox/$list.mbox | \
>  awk '{print $2}' | sort -u

Actually.. a google netted me this...

awk 'empty{if (/^From /) print $2; empty=0} /^$/{empty=1}' $list.mbox |
sort -u

It's not perfect. For instance, if the mbox has From "Glenn Sieb"
<ges at wingfoot.org> lines... but it does only match "<blank line>From "

Anywho... something to tuck away for some future need.. :)

Thanks for all you do, Mark!

Best,
- --Glenn
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From rickmorrison at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 22:45:50 2010
From: rickmorrison at gmail.com (Rick Morrison)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:45:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pruning archived messages
Message-ID: <AANLkTikNRzGWjUHbV+KhNMLYRw=qLFO31vtkigwWa5S4@mail.gmail.com>

I've been asked to restrict our group's Mailman list to showing only the
last six months of archives. Is there any way to remove archived messages
older than a certain date and reflect that removal in the archive header's
"index.html" file?

Thanks,
Rick

From leonard at vivisimo.com  Thu Dec  9 18:30:59 2010
From: leonard at vivisimo.com (Roger D. Leonard)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 11:30:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010120908463801090f42e653@MSAPIRO>
References: <90153CA257B60541A3B8699C1CCCC1131306BF586E@AUSP01VMBX30.collaborationhost.net>
	<PC1952010120908463801090f42e653@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <90153CA257B60541A3B8699C1CCCC1131306BF5888@AUSP01VMBX30.collaborationhost.net>

Thank you mark.  I will make these changes.  I am very new at mailman and I appreciate you helping me out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:47 AM
To: Roger D. Leonard; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working

Roger D. Leonard wrote:

>Heres a message from another list that just did it.
[...]
>Pending posts:
>From: trac at hav-secureci.vivisimo.com on Wed Dec  8 20:43:36 2010
>Subject: Re: [HAVANA] #206: Corrupt sqlite database after server crash
>Cause: Message has implicit destination


This message was held because the list was not explicitly addressed in
a To: or Cc: header of the post. See the settings
require_explicit_destination and acceptable_aliases on the Privacy
options... -> Recipient filters page.	

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From fantome2024 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 22:59:02 2010
From: fantome2024 at gmail.com (fantome2024 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:59:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change privacy options globally
Message-ID: <AANLkTik+ruWtYGqWf4fgQKBLaSZKXwWtnpusK83c46D=@mail.gmail.com>

Hi I have multiple administrator and I want to set the option under "Privacy
Options" What steps are required for subscription? "Require Approval" to the
default when the list is created.  Does anyone know how to change this
properly in the code for it to work? I've been trying to change it in
Privacy.py with no success.

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Dec 10 05:53:00 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 20:53:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pruning archived messages
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikNRzGWjUHbV+KhNMLYRw=qLFO31vtkigwWa5S4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120920530001091e6d41ed@MSAPIRO>

Rick Morrison wrote:

>I've been asked to restrict our group's Mailman list to showing only the
>last six months of archives. Is there any way to remove archived messages
>older than a certain date and reflect that removal in the archive header's
>"index.html" file?


Edit the archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file to remove
all the older messages. If you don't care about keeping the older
messages at all, just edit the file in place and then run Mailman's

bin/arch --wipe listname

to rebuild the archive. If you do want to keep the old messages, There
are multiple ways to proceed. I suggest keeping
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox as the full archive and
saving the pruned file as say
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox.recent and then
rebuilding the archive with

bin/arch --wipe listname
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox.recent

(all on one line)

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Dec 10 06:00:05 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:00:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] authors
In-Reply-To: <4D016125.9030507@wingfoot.org>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120921000502188c712bdf@MSAPIRO>

Glenn Sieb wrote:
>
>On 12/9/10 5:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>  grep "From " $var_prefix/archives/private/$list.mbox/$list.mbox | \
>>  awk '{print $2}' | sort -u
>
>Wouldn't
>
>grep "^From "...
>
>(or egrep, depending on your toolkit)
>
>work better?


Actually, "^From " is what I intended, but I mistyped it.


>Otherwise you grab any sentences that begin with "From " as
>well.. like "From what I've heard..."
>
>Of course you'll still get "<blank line>From ..." if people have
>something similar for quote attributions.


All such lines in message bodies should be escaped as ">From ..." in
the .mbox file so they aren't misinterpreted as message separators.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Dec 10 06:08:04 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:08:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change privacy options globally
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik+ruWtYGqWf4fgQKBLaSZKXwWtnpusK83c46D=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010120921080401714373206f@MSAPIRO>

fantome2024 at gmail.com wrote:

>Hi I have multiple administrator and I want to set the option under "Privacy
>Options" What steps are required for subscription? "Require Approval" to the
>default when the list is created.  Does anyone know how to change this
>properly in the code for it to work? I've been trying to change it in
>Privacy.py with no success.


Put

DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 2

in mm_cfg.py. You can read the documentation for this and almost all
other mm_cfg.py configuration settings in Defaults.py.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 07:47:47 2010
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JRC Groups)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:47:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010120818073702183daba33f@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <C9270D13.189929%joemailgroups@gmail>

Mark,


Again, I can't thank you enough. The list(s) are up and running. I wouldn't
have been able to get it to work had it not been for your help.

I also want to thank those who responded either through the list or
privately with helpful answers to my Unix-related questions. Your answers
have helped me find my way around Unix and motivated me to further improve
my understanding of it.

There are a few things I still need to tweak and I thought I would ask you a
few additional questions. I hope you don't mind.

Question 1.

I have created two additional lists for a total of three that I created plus
one that Apple's own Server Admin requires (a list named Mailman). Using the
web interface to check the lists hosted by my domain I find conflicting
results. This is what I have:

http://www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo

List                        Description
List 1                      [no description available]
List 2                      [no description available]

http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo

List                        Description
List 3                      [no description available]
List 4                      [no description available]

Shouldn't both www.domain.com and domain.com lead to the same results ? How
can I make the necessary corrections so that both addresses are
interchangeable and lead to the same results ?

Question 2.

As I made an attempt to create lists using the Mailman's web interface
instead of Apple's Server Admin I couldn't get it done. Mailman kept
returning an error message stating I didn't have permission to create lists.
I tried numerous different passwords including the admin password for my
server but it wouldn't work.

What have I done wrong ?

Thank you again for all your help.


Joe



On 12/8/10 6:07 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> JRC Groups wrote:
>> 
>> I sent the message and this is what the log in Server Admin shows:
>> 
>> Dec  8 17:48:13 dentserv postfix/smtpd[37996]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
>> mail-gw0-f52.google.com[74.125.83.52]: 450 4.7.1
>> <Implants-request at 3wforum.com>: Recipient address rejected: Service is
>> unavailable; from=<joemailgroups at gmail.com>
>> to=<Implants-request at 3wforum.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail-gw0-f52.google.com>
>> Dec  8 17:48:13 dentserv postfix/smtpd[37996]: disconnect from
>> mail-gw0-f52.google.com[74.125.83.52]
>  
> This is Apple Postfix's greylisting at work. googlemail should retry
> the send after a few minutes and it should succeed. See, e.g.,
> <http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=10151235>.
>  
>>> Try running
>>> 
>>>   sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
>>> 
>>> If it runs cleanly (don't worry about the warning about
>>> archives/private being world searchable) logging and archiving should
>>> work.
>> 
>> I ran it and the following is the output:
>> 
>> dentserv:~ locadmin$ sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
>> Password:
>> Warning: Private archive directory is other-executable (o+x).
>>         This could allow other users on your system to read private
>> archives.
>>         If you're on a shared multiuser system, you should consult the
>>         installation manual on how to fix this.
> 
> This is the warning I meant to ignore.
>  
>> /private/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db owned by root (must be owned by
>> _mailman (fixing)
>> /private/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db permissions must be 066x (got
>> 0100640) (fixing)
>> Problems found: 2
>> Re-run as _mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix
>  
> You already ran it via sudo with -f so the problems with
> virtual-mailman.db should be fixed now.



From alan at patriot.net  Fri Dec 10 14:52:42 2010
From: alan at patriot.net (Alan McConnell)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 08:52:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to send messages out to only a portion of the
	members?
Message-ID: <20101210135242.GB4009@patriot.net>

Assembled Wisdom!

First of all, a note of thanks to Mark Sapiro for his wonderful
command of the mailman SW, _and_ for his great replies.  Only
those who have read messages on other lists by other experts can
appreciate how elegantly and enlightenlingly Mr Sapiro formulates
his answers.

That duty done, to my question:  I should like to be able to
send messages to a selected partion of a membership and automate
this procedure if possible.  Example: to send members whose
dues elapse in month N a reminder in month N - 1.   I am thinking:
a database of members, paralleling the one kept by mailman, but
with e.g. subscription information kept in it.

How can this be achieved in mailman?

TIA for anticipated help.

Alan McConnell, in Silver Spring MD

-- 
Alan McConnell :  http://patriot.net/users/alan
      A man may be in as just possession of truth as of a city, 
      and yet be forced to surrender.(Thomas Browne)

From ptomblin at xcski.com  Fri Dec 10 15:59:29 2010
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:59:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to send messages out to only a portion of
	the members?
In-Reply-To: <20101210135242.GB4009@patriot.net>
References: <20101210135242.GB4009@patriot.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimcYcBx7hG70aszQ7-eWpCp4jPa0N4ntG9h9641@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Alan McConnell <alan at patriot.net> wrote:
> That duty done, to my question: ?I should like to be able to
> send messages to a selected partion of a membership and automate
> this procedure if possible. ?Example: to send members whose
> dues elapse in month N a reminder in month N - 1. ? I am thinking:
> a database of members, paralleling the one kept by mailman, but
> with e.g. subscription information kept in it.
>

One suggestion would be to use "Topics" - put everybody in a topic
group depending on when their dues lapse, and use that topic when you
send out dues notices.

-- 
http://www.linkedin.com/in/paultomblin
http://careers.stackoverflow.com/ptomblin

From odhiambo at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 16:03:27 2010
From: odhiambo at gmail.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:03:27 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to send messages out to only a portion of
	the members?
In-Reply-To: <20101210135242.GB4009@patriot.net>
References: <20101210135242.GB4009@patriot.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=UM97MGFhYwxsdEgoVuexg_fQDuJdYNdWtk7Ux@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Alan McConnell <alan at patriot.net> wrote:

> Assembled Wisdom!
>
> First of all, a note of thanks to Mark Sapiro for his wonderful command of
> the mailman SW, _and_ for his great replies.  Only
> those who have read messages on other lists by other experts can appreciate
> how elegantly and enlightenlingly Mr Sapiro formulates his answers.
>

That's because he is synonymous with Mailman:-)


>
> That duty done, to my question:  I should like to be able to send messages
> to a selected partion of a membership and automate
> this procedure if possible.  Example: to send members whose dues elapse in
> month N a reminder in month N - 1.   I am thinking:
> a database of members, paralleling the one kept by mailman, but with e.g.
> subscription information kept in it.
>
>
You can do it if you have the database of addresses, but this is not a job
for mailman, because some calculation is required. I could be wrong.


-- 
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254733744121/+254722743223
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Damn!!

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Dec 10 17:33:41 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 08:33:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <C9270D13.189929%joemailgroups@gmail>
Message-ID: <PC19520101210083341082884d37d25@MSAPIRO>

JRC Groups wrote:
>
>I have created two additional lists for a total of three that I created plus
>one that Apple's own Server Admin requires (a list named Mailman). Using the
>web interface to check the lists hosted by my domain I find conflicting
>results. This is what I have:
>
>http://www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo
>
>List                        Description
>List 1                      [no description available]
>List 2                      [no description available]
>
>http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo
>
>List                        Description
>List 3                      [no description available]
>List 4                      [no description available]
>
>Shouldn't both www.domain.com and domain.com lead to the same results ? How
>can I make the necessary corrections so that both addresses are
>interchangeable and lead to the same results ?



See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/lYA9>. In your case, the short
answer is put

VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off

in mm_cfg.py.


>As I made an attempt to create lists using the Mailman's web interface
>instead of Apple's Server Admin I couldn't get it done. Mailman kept
>returning an error message stating I didn't have permission to create lists.
>I tried numerous different passwords including the admin password for my
>server but it wouldn't work.


There are only two passwords that work for the Mailman web create
interface. Neither is set by default. These are the Mailman site
password (which is like a super list admin password) and the Mailman
list creator password.

set the site password with

sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/mmsitepass password

and set the list creator password with

sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/mmsitepass -c password

See

sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/mmsitepass --help

Note that if you have a site password, you don't need a list creator
password unless you want to give the ability to create lists to
someone who doesn't have the site password, and setting a list creator
password the same as the site password is superfluous.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Dec 10 18:27:47 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:27:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to send messages out to only a portion of
	themembers?
In-Reply-To: <20101210135242.GB4009@patriot.net>
Message-ID: <PC195201012100927470187f2d7642a@MSAPIRO>

Alan McConnell wrote:
>
>First of all, a note of thanks to Mark Sapiro for his wonderful
>command of the mailman SW, _and_ for his great replies.  Only
>those who have read messages on other lists by other experts can
>appreciate how elegantly and enlightenlingly Mr Sapiro formulates
>his answers.


<blush>


>That duty done, to my question:  I should like to be able to
>send messages to a selected partion of a membership and automate
>this procedure if possible.  Example: to send members whose
>dues elapse in month N a reminder in month N - 1.   I am thinking:
>a database of members, paralleling the one kept by mailman, but
>with e.g. subscription information kept in it.
>
>How can this be achieved in mailman?


As Paul Tomblin suggests, you may be able to do this with Topics, but I
think it might be cumbersome especially if there were other subsets
split in different ways. Plus, it relies on the list admin (or some
automated process) maintaining the members' topic subscriptions, and
this is designed to be a member option, not an admin function.

For what it's worth, I do something similar for my cycling club and
don't use Mailman at all. I just use a Python script that is run by
cron, and which accesses the club's membership database directly and
generates emails based on conditions in the member data.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From alan at patriot.net  Fri Dec 10 18:51:45 2010
From: alan at patriot.net (Alan McConnell)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:51:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to send messages out to only a portion of
	themembers?
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012100927470187f2d7642a@MSAPIRO>
References: <20101210135242.GB4009@patriot.net>
	<PC195201012100927470187f2d7642a@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <20101210175145.GA4644@patriot.net>

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 09:27:47AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> <blush>
	Good!

> >That duty done, to my question:  I should like to be able to
> >send messages to a selected partion of a membership and automate
> >this procedure if possible.  Example: to send members whose
> >dues elapse in month N a reminder in month N - 1.   I am thinking:
> >a database of members, paralleling the one kept by mailman, but
> >with e.g. subscription information kept in it.
> >
> >How can this be achieved in mailman?
> 
> As Paul Tomblin suggests, you may be able to do this with Topics, but I
> think it might be cumbersome especially if there were other subsets
> split in different ways. Plus, it relies on the list admin (or some
> automated process) maintaining the members' topic subscriptions, and
> this is designed to be a member option, not an admin function.
	That cuts that out.

> For what it's worth, I do something similar for my cycling club and
> don't use Mailman at all. I just use a Python script that is run by
> cron, and which accesses the club's membership database directly and
> generates emails based on conditions in the member data.
	I have an idea, but not the Mailman/Python skills to implement
	it.  It is as follows:
Every month, create(automatically if possible) a new temporary  mailman
E-list(*).   Copy(automatically if possible) the members -- and data --
of the members to be reminded -- to this new temporary List.  Blast out
the warning.(Blast out a second time if deemed necessary).  Destroy
this temporary List.
(*)  If the regular List is called AbracaDabra, the new temporary
List can be called AbracaDabra-Remind, thus alerting AbracaDabra
members that here is an E-mail related to AbracaDabra, and should
be paid attention to.

	Is there anything in the above suggestion that is impossible?
	If not, how much effort -- Python writing, etc -- would be
	needed?  It would seem to me that such a capability would be
	very useful for all kinds of groups and a multitude of purposes.

I hope that some experts will respond<g>.

Best wishes,

Alan

-- 
Alan McConnell :  http://patriot.net/users/alan
      A man may be in as just possession of truth as of a city, 
      and yet be forced to surrender.(Thomas Browne)

From upendra.gandhi at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 16:11:47 2010
From: upendra.gandhi at gmail.com (upen)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:11:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] solaris10 sparc, check_perms messages
Message-ID: <AANLkTinrSWQNEgH2Mff56Jtw1fpqzdXAZqogzrje4J0S@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

This is my first attempt to install Mailman-2.1.14 on solaris10/sparc.
HAving installed pythin-2.6.2 and gcc4 I then successfull did y
configure, gmake, gmake install. However, when I run bin/check_perms I
receive below messages.

-bash-3.00# ./bin/check_perms
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./bin/check_perms", line 395, in <module>
    checkmail()
  File "./bin/check_perms", line 293, in checkmail
    mode = statmode(wrapper)
  File "./bin/check_perms", line 82, in statmode
    return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman'


Can someone throw some light on this issue? In addition, if there is
any howto or install document on internet for Mailman on solaris 10
then please let me know that too.

Thanks.
Aero

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Dec 12 04:33:35 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:33:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] solaris10 sparc, check_perms messages
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinrSWQNEgH2Mff56Jtw1fpqzdXAZqogzrje4J0S@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010121119333507186a045d71@MSAPIRO>

upen wrote:
>
>This is my first attempt to install Mailman-2.1.14 on solaris10/sparc.
>HAving installed pythin-2.6.2 and gcc4 I then successfull did y
>configure, gmake, gmake install. However, when I run bin/check_perms I
>receive below messages.
>
>-bash-3.00# ./bin/check_perms
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "./bin/check_perms", line 395, in <module>
>    checkmail()
>  File "./bin/check_perms", line 293, in checkmail
>    mode = statmode(wrapper)
>  File "./bin/check_perms", line 82, in statmode
>    return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
>OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman'


Presumably this is because the mail wrapper has some other name,
perhaps 
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman.exe, but why? Or is there no
/usr/local/mailman/mail/* mail wrapper at all?


>Can someone throw some light on this issue?


It may be a bug in check_perms. What options did you give to configure?
What is the name of the mail wrapper file in /usr/local/mailman/mail/?


>In addition, if there is
>any howto or install document on internet for Mailman on solaris 10
>then please let me know that too.


Try
<http://www.google.com/#q=site:mail.python.org+inurl%3Amailman+"solaris
10">

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From upendra.gandhi at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 04:50:35 2010
From: upendra.gandhi at gmail.com (upen)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 21:50:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] solaris10 sparc, check_perms messages
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010121119333507186a045d71@MSAPIRO>
References: <AANLkTinrSWQNEgH2Mff56Jtw1fpqzdXAZqogzrje4J0S@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1952010121119333507186a045d71@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim32mg+KqRneVV3fOqQK4W1KJS247jpK4kkyDqH@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,



On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> upen wrote:
>>
>>This is my first attempt to install Mailman-2.1.14 on solaris10/sparc.
>>HAving installed pythin-2.6.2 and gcc4 I then successfull did y
>>configure, gmake, gmake install. However, when I run bin/check_perms I
>>receive below messages.
>>
>>-bash-3.00# ./bin/check_perms
>>Traceback (most recent call last):
>> ?File "./bin/check_perms", line 395, in <module>
>> ? ?checkmail()
>> ?File "./bin/check_perms", line 293, in checkmail
>> ? ?mode = statmode(wrapper)
>> ?File "./bin/check_perms", line 82, in statmode
>> ? ?return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
>>OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman'
>
>
> Presumably this is because the mail wrapper has some other name,
> perhaps
> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman.exe, but why? Or is there no
> /usr/local/mailman/mail/* mail wrapper at all?

Yes, surprisingly there was no mailman file or directory in
/usr/local/mailman/mail after installation. However, I later decided
not to use python package and gcc4 provided by Blastwave CSW and
infact removed all references to csw/lib and csw/bin from PATH and
LD_LIBRARY_PATH and decided to use old gcc version from /usr/local/bin
and python from /usr/sfw/bin and installed Mailman again. This way
everything is working fine. In fact check_perms also worked fine this
time. :)

>
>
>>Can someone throw some light on this issue?
>
>
> It may be a bug in check_perms. What options did you give to configure?
> What is the name of the mail wrapper file in /usr/local/mailman/mail/?
>
>
>>In addition, if there is
>>any howto or install document on internet for Mailman on solaris 10
>>then please let me know that too.
>
>
> Try
> <http://www.google.com/#q=site:mail.python.org+inurl%3Amailman+"solaris
> 10">
>
Thanks much. Issue resolved.

From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 07:11:49 2010
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JRC Groups)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 22:11:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <PC19520101210083341082884d37d25@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <C929A7A5.189B39%joemailgroups@gmail>

Hi, Mark.


On 12/10/10 8:33 AM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> JRC Groups wrote:
>> 
>> I have created two additional lists for a total of three that I created plus
>> one that Apple's own Server Admin requires (a list named Mailman). Using the
>> web interface to check the lists hosted by my domain I find conflicting
>> results. This is what I have:
>> 
>> http://www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo
>> 
>> List                        Description
>> List 1                      [no description available]
>> List 2                      [no description available]
>> 
>> http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo
>> 
>> List                        Description
>> List 3                      [no description available]
>> List 4                      [no description available]
>> 
>> Shouldn't both www.domain.com and domain.com lead to the same results ? How
>> can I make the necessary corrections so that both addresses are
>> interchangeable and lead to the same results ?
> 
> 
> 
> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/lYA9>. In your case, the short
> answer is put
> 
> VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off
> 
> in mm_cfg.py.
 
I did just as you recommended but it didn't change the behavior displayed by
the listinfo command.
 
>> As I made an attempt to create lists using the Mailman's web interface
>> instead of Apple's Server Admin I couldn't get it done. Mailman kept
>> returning an error message stating I didn't have permission to create lists.
>> I tried numerous different passwords including the admin password for my
>> server but it wouldn't work.
> 
> 
> There are only two passwords that work for the Mailman web create
> interface. Neither is set by default. These are the Mailman site
> password (which is like a super list admin password) and the Mailman
> list creator password.
> 
> set the site password with
> 
> sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/mmsitepass password
> 
> and set the list creator password with
> 
> sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/mmsitepass -c password
> 
> See
> 
> sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/mmsitepass --help
> 
> Note that if you have a site password, you don't need a list creator
> password unless you want to give the ability to create lists to
> someone who doesn't have the site password, and setting a list creator
> password the same as the site password is superfluous.

It worked just as you had recommended. I was able to assign new site and
list creator passwords. I haven't yet had the opportunity to test it as I am
first trying to get the problem above resolved before I make attempts to
create other lists.

One thing I noticed is that I can create lists under
www.domain.com/mailman/create or domain.com/mailman/create. Each takes me to
a page titled "Create a www.domain.com Mailing List" and "Create a
domain.com Mailing List" respectively.

If not the way you suggested above, what could be the problem and how can I
resolve it ?

Thank you again,


Joe



From vadiveldotnet at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 07:54:26 2010
From: vadiveldotnet at gmail.com (M.Vadivel Kumar)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:24:26 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] please help me hide mailman lists from lists
 display and also help how to set lists email to user like this
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=04VYJzyx36q=yff404rRwgW1W5wxVxogNCZFN@mail.gmail.com>

    Dear All users
           please help me hide mailman lists from lists display
           and also help how to set lists email to user like this

           From:testall-bounces at lists.mydomain.com<From%3Atestall-bounces at lists.mydomain.com>

           On Behalf Of:    "user at mydomain.com
           To:    testall at lists.mydomain.com


-- 
Regards
M.Vadivel Kumar

From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 08:35:12 2010
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JRC Groups)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 23:35:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <PC19520101210083341082884d37d25@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <C929BB30.189B3B%joemailgroups@gmail>

Hi, Mark.

Just as a follow-up to my previous e-mail please read some added notes
below.


> It worked just as you had recommended. I was able to assign new site and list
> creator passwords. I haven't yet had the opportunity to test it as I am first
> trying to get the problem above resolved before I make attempts to create
> other lists.

> One thing I noticed is that I can create lists under
> www.domain.com/mailman/create or domain.com/mailman/create. Each takes me to a
> page titled "Create a www.domain.com Mailing List" and "Create a domain.com
> Mailing List" respectively.

> If not the way you suggested above, what could be the problem and how can I
> resolve it ?

> Thank you again,


> Joe

I made an attempt to create a new list using www.domain.com/mailman/create.
At first I was prompted for an initial list password as Mailman didn't allow
me to create a list without one. Next I received a response from Mailman
stating that I didn't have permission to create lists. After I entered the
site password in "List creator's (authentication) password:" I the received
the following error message: "Unknown virtual host: www.domain.com"

After that I thought I would try to create a new list using
domain.com/mailman/create. The result was exactly the same. I received the
same error message as above.

What have I done wrong and how can I correct it ?

Thank you again,


Joe



From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Dec 12 17:55:01 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 08:55:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <C929A7A5.189B39%joemailgroups@gmail>
Message-ID: <PC195201012120855010781dfdf68ce@MSAPIRO>

JRC Groups wrote:
>
>On 12/10/10 8:33 AM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>
>> JRC Groups wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have created two additional lists for a total of three that I created plus
>>> one that Apple's own Server Admin requires (a list named Mailman). Using the
>>> web interface to check the lists hosted by my domain I find conflicting
>>> results. This is what I have:
>>> 
>>> http://www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo
>>> 
>>> List                        Description
>>> List 1                      [no description available]
>>> List 2                      [no description available]
>>> 
>>> http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo
>>> 
>>> List                        Description
>>> List 3                      [no description available]
>>> List 4                      [no description available]
>>> 
>>> Shouldn't both www.domain.com and domain.com lead to the same results ? How
>>> can I make the necessary corrections so that both addresses are
>>> interchangeable and lead to the same results ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/lYA9>. In your case, the short
>> answer is put
>> 
>> VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off
>> 
>> in mm_cfg.py.
> 
>I did just as you recommended but it didn't change the behavior displayed by
>the listinfo command.


If you have "VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off" in mm_cfg.py and the lists
which appear on the listinfo overview page depend on the host name in
the URL used to visit the page, this must be due to some Apple
modification. In standard GNU Mailman, VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW controls
this behavior.


[...]
>
>One thing I noticed is that I can create lists under
>www.domain.com/mailman/create or domain.com/mailman/create. Each takes me to
>a page titled "Create a www.domain.com Mailing List" and "Create a
>domain.com Mailing List" respectively.
>
>If not the way you suggested above, what could be the problem and how can I
>resolve it ?


Again, this indicates either some Apple modification or somehow you
haven't got "VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off" in mm_cfg.py. In standard
Gnu Mailman with "VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off", the web create CGI
will always assume the list domain is that defined by DEFAULT_URL_HOST.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Dec 12 17:59:19 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 08:59:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <C929BB30.189B3B%joemailgroups@gmail>
Message-ID: <PC195201012120859190937dfdf697c@MSAPIRO>

JRC Groups wrote:
>
>I made an attempt to create a new list using www.domain.com/mailman/create.
>At first I was prompted for an initial list password as Mailman didn't allow
>me to create a list without one. Next I received a response from Mailman
>stating that I didn't have permission to create lists. After I entered the
>site password in "List creator's (authentication) password:" I the received
>the following error message: "Unknown virtual host: www.domain.com"
>
>After that I thought I would try to create a new list using
>domain.com/mailman/create. The result was exactly the same. I received the
>same error message as above.
>
>What have I done wrong and how can I correct it ?



I don't know. Please post the entire contents of your mm_cfg.py. The
above errors indicate that there is no add_virtualhost() for
www.domain.com, but this is not consistent with other things you
observe.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec 13 06:58:29 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:58:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] please help me hide mailman lists from
	listsdisplay and also help how to set lists email to user like this
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=04VYJzyx36q=yff404rRwgW1W5wxVxogNCZFN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010121221582904375313f912@MSAPIRO>

M.Vadivel Kumar wrote:
>           please help me hide mailman lists from lists display


On the web admin interface Privacy options... -> Subscription rules
page, set advertised to No.


>           and also help how to set lists email to user like this
>
>           From:testall-bounces at lists.mydomain.com<From%3Atestall-bounces at lists.mydomain.com>
>
>           On Behalf Of:    "user at mydomain.com
>           To:    testall at lists.mydomain.com


If you are asking how to STOP list mail from displaying like that, see
the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/RoA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 07:01:05 2010
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JRC Groups)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:01:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012120859190937dfdf697c@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <C92AF6A1.189C09%joemailgroups@gmail>

Hi, Mark.


On 12/12/10 8:59 AM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
 
> I don't know. Please post the entire contents of your mm_cfg.py. The
> above errors indicate that there is no add_virtualhost() for
> www.domain.com, but this is not consistent with other things you
> observe.

Here it is:

# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
MTA = 'Postfix'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dentserv.main.private'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'dentserv.main.private'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['3wforum.com']
VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off

As I copied the contents to paste them here I noticed that I had made a
mistake. On the last entry I had "VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW - Off" instead of
"VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off". Once I corrected this entry I was able to
have all lists displayed in the listinfo window.

Now that I am able to view all lists displayed together in the same listinfo
window I also noticed that the title to the listinfo page reads
"dentserv.main.private Mailing Lists". In looking back at the mm_cfg.py file
contents I noticed that something had been modified after I made the
revisions you had suggested. The following entries were:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dentserv.main.private'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'dentserv.main.private'

This is the name of my server and not the domain names as I had previously
entered. So I proceeded to make the changes as you had previously suggested.

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.domain.com'

After these changes I was finally able to have the lists displayed in the
listinfo window. I also noticed that the title above now reads
"www.domain.com Mailing Lists". The titles is the same independent of
whether I type "www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo" or
"domain.com/mailman/listinfo".

After that I also made an attempt to create a new list from the web
interface using "www.domain.com/mailman/create" and this time it worked fine
without any error messages.

I am left with a question: Why were the two lines above changed from the
domain names I had entered following your suggestion to the name of the
server ? Do you think it has something to do with my server settings or do
you think it may be related with Apple's implementation of Mailman ?

Thank you again for your help.

Joe



From umarzuki at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 02:50:07 2010
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:50:07 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] the requested page could not be retrieved
Message-ID: <AANLkTinja_9USnk3w-x=Hv1129OiqE3d09OpgjaSXPEE@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I changed the hostname of my mailman server and ow it says "the requested
page could not be retrieved". Where i should change other than
/etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf on rhel 5?

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec 13 07:22:55 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:22:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <C92AF6A1.189C09%joemailgroups@gmail>
Message-ID: <PC195201012122222550812209bd563@MSAPIRO>

JRC Groups wrote:
>
>On 12/12/10 8:59 AM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> 
>> I don't know. Please post the entire contents of your mm_cfg.py. The
>> above errors indicate that there is no add_virtualhost() for
>> www.domain.com, but this is not consistent with other things you
>> observe.
>
>Here it is:
>
># Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
>MTA = 'Postfix'
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dentserv.main.private'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'dentserv.main.private'


As you note below, the above entries are not what you want.


>VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['3wforum.com']


Is the '3wforum.com' domain what you refer to elsewhere as
'domain.com'. If so, the above is probably fine (although the cat is
now out of the bag). If not, then it probably should be.


>VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off
>
>As I copied the contents to paste them here I noticed that I had made a
>mistake. On the last entry I had "VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW - Off" instead of
>"VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off". Once I corrected this entry I was able to
>have all lists displayed in the listinfo window.


Good.


>Now that I am able to view all lists displayed together in the same listinfo
>window I also noticed that the title to the listinfo page reads
>"dentserv.main.private Mailing Lists". In looking back at the mm_cfg.py file
>contents I noticed that something had been modified after I made the
>revisions you had suggested. The following entries were:
>
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dentserv.main.private'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'dentserv.main.private'
>
>This is the name of my server and not the domain names as I had previously
>entered. So I proceeded to make the changes as you had previously suggested.
>
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain.com'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.domain.com'
>
>After these changes I was finally able to have the lists displayed in the
>listinfo window. I also noticed that the title above now reads
>"www.domain.com Mailing Lists". The titles is the same independent of
>whether I type "www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo" or
>"domain.com/mailman/listinfo".


Yes, this is a result of "VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off" which in
addition to displaying all lists on the overview regardless of whether
the list's URL host matches the host in the URL accessing the page
also causes  DEFAULT_URL_HOST to be treated as the host.


>After that I also made an attempt to create a new list from the web
>interface using "www.domain.com/mailman/create" and this time it worked fine
>without any error messages.
>
>I am left with a question: Why were the two lines above changed from the
>domain names I had entered following your suggestion to the name of the
>server ? Do you think it has something to do with my server settings or do
>you think it may be related with Apple's implementation of Mailman ?


I think it must have something to do with Apple's implementation of
Mailman. I suspect it has something to do with Apple's list creation
process. There is nothing in standard GNU Mailman that would edit
mm_cfg.py behind your back, nor would any non-Mailman process do this.

Perhaps others on this list who are familiar with Apple Server could
shed more light on this.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec 13 07:40:18 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:40:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] the requested page could not be retrieved
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinja_9USnk3w-x=Hv1129OiqE3d09OpgjaSXPEE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012122240180750e66f68c0@MSAPIRO>

Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>
>I changed the hostname of my mailman server and ow it says "the requested
>page could not be retrieved". Where i should change other than
>/etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf on rhel 5?


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/gIA9>, although none of the
things discussed should affect what appears to be an Apache generated
error.

For that matter, what's in /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf that affects
the host name?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From umarzuki at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 13:13:09 2010
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:13:09 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] the requested page could not be retrieved
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012122240180750e66f68c0@MSAPIRO>
References: <AANLkTinja_9USnk3w-x=Hv1129OiqE3d09OpgjaSXPEE@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201012122240180750e66f68c0@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik0bRUfN8+Hb+k1VxUoh=gm_oDZqPoOyBSBqZrP@mail.gmail.com>

2010/12/13 Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>

> Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
> >
> >I changed the hostname of my mailman server and ow it says "the requested
> >page could not be retrieved". Where i should change other than
> >/etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf on rhel 5?
>
>
> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/gIA9>, although none of the
> things discussed should affect what appears to be an Apache generated
> error.
>
> For that matter, what's in /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf that affects
> the host name?
>
>
i also had to set the same fqdn in /etc/hosts too


> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>


-- 
Regards,

Umarzuki Mochlis
http://debmal.my

From support at misrvision.com  Mon Dec 13 20:06:42 2010
From: support at misrvision.com (support team)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:06:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Removing "on behalf of"
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABKc0D4MzHVJsTooAf9AoVbCgAAAEAAAAJsxz/Hz9iNJtzT8kiBJiR8BAAAAAA==@misrvision.com>

Dear 

How can I Remove "on behalf of"  with outlook???

thanks


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Dec 14 16:12:49 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:12:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing "on behalf of"
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABKc0D4MzHVJsTooAf9AoVbCgAAAEAAAAJsxz/Hz9iNJtzT8kiBJiR8BAAAAAA==@misrvision.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010121407124903129a720be9@MSAPIRO>

support team wrote:
>
>How can I Remove "on behalf of"  with outlook???


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/RoA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec 15 06:40:15 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:40:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to send messages out to only a portion of
	themembers?
In-Reply-To: <20101210175145.GA4644@patriot.net>
Message-ID: <PC19520101214214015081296fa1abb@MSAPIRO>

Alan McConnell wrote:

>	I have an idea, but not the Mailman/Python skills to implement
>	it.  It is as follows:
>Every month, create(automatically if possible) a new temporary  mailman
>E-list(*).   Copy(automatically if possible) the members -- and data --
>of the members to be reminded -- to this new temporary List.  Blast out
>the warning.(Blast out a second time if deemed necessary).  Destroy
>this temporary List.
>(*)  If the regular List is called AbracaDabra, the new temporary
>List can be called AbracaDabra-Remind, thus alerting AbracaDabra
>members that here is an E-mail related to AbracaDabra, and should
>be paid attention to.
>
>	Is there anything in the above suggestion that is impossible?
>	If not, how much effort -- Python writing, etc -- would be
>	needed?  It would seem to me that such a capability would be
>	very useful for all kinds of groups and a multitude of purposes.


I would do the following:

Create an announcement list named AbracaDabra-Remind following the
guidelines in the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/3YA9>. This list will
be permanent, but its membership will change. It should probably have 
Privacy options... -> Subscription rules -> advertised = No and
Archiving Options -> archive = No.
	
Then, using your membership data, create a list of the email addresses
that you want to mail to and use that as input to Mailman's
bin/sync_members (with options --welcome-msg=no, --goodbye-msg=no and
--notifyadmin=no) and post your reminder. This could all be done
automatically in a cron job, perhaps using bin/inject to make the post.

Whether this is easy or hard depends on your membership database.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Wed Dec 15 07:27:33 2010
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JRC Groups)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:27:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman set-up in Mac OS X Server and
	Server Admin.
Message-ID: <C92D9FD5.189EE3%joemailgroups@gmail>

Dear all,


I have been lucky enough to be helped by Mark Sapiro to get my installation
of Mailman fixed and my mailing lists properly configured. His help has been
crucial and I want to acknowledge publicly how grateful I am for his help.

We have experienced a problem that seems to be created by Apple's
implementation of Mailman and Mark suggested I contacted others more
experienced with Apple's OS X Server to obtain help.

In Mailman's mm_cfg.py file there are two lines that need to be as follows:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.domain.com'

The problem is that I have edited this file three or four times now and it
seems Apple's Server Admin or another OS X Server application continues to
change it back to the following:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'servername'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'servername'

The problem with this is that every time someone looks at Mailman's listinfo
web page to see what lists are hosted by our server the title on the top has
the server name instead of the domain name for the lists. Instead of the
listinfo page displaying the proper title that should be "www.domain.com
Mailing Lists" it actually displays "servername Mailing Lists".

Does anyone know what might be causing this and hot to have this problem
fixed ?

Thank you,


Joe




From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Wed Dec 15 07:30:54 2010
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JRC Groups)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:30:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.
In-Reply-To: <C9257978.A0343%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>
Message-ID: <C92DA09E.189EE5%joemailgroups@gmail>

Larry,


Thank you for your help and suggestions. I have researched your
recommendations and am now learning about the specific commands you
suggested.


Joe


On 12/8/10 4:05 PM, "Larry Stone" <lstone19 at stonejongleux.com> wrote:

> On 12/8/10 2:01 PM, JRC Groups at joemailgroups at gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Is there a simpler way than Terminal (command line) to edit these files and
>> then resave them ? Something along the lines of a text editor. Or do I need
>> to use Terminal to do it ?
>> 
>> In this case, if Terminal is necessary, can you guide on how to take a step
>> by step approach to getting it done ? I have never edited a file (specially
>> a system file) in Terminal before and don't know how to go about it.
> 
> This is somewhat off-topic for the Mailman list but if you want to do any
> sort of advanced system administration on a Macintosh, you need, IMHO, to be
> familiar with Unix shell commands and related utility. The Mac OS X Terminal
> program just creates a shell process and window where you then execute shell
> commands. 
> 
> At a minimum, you need to be familiar with certain basic commands like ls
> (directory) and commands for creating (touch among others), renaming/MoVing
> (mv), and deleting/ReMoving (rm) files and directories (mkdir, mv, and rmdir
> respectively). You also need to be familiar with one of the standard text
> editors (vi or emacs) as well as commands for dealing with file ownership
> (chown) and permissions (chmod).



From chris.tandiono at gmail.com  Wed Dec 15 08:05:45 2010
From: chris.tandiono at gmail.com (Chris Tandiono)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:05:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman set-up in Mac OS X Server
	and Server Admin.
In-Reply-To: <C92D9FD5.189EE3%joemailgroups@gmail>
References: <C92D9FD5.189EE3%joemailgroups@gmail>
Message-ID: <9C8F04FD-6CCB-49DA-8581-8F654154BA89@gmail.com>

You might need to change the setting in Mac OS X Server Admin rather than manually changing it in mm_cfg.py. For example, when you add a directory in web sharing in the sharing prefpane, it's added to httpd.conf, and I think it will automatically be re-added if you remove it from httpd.conf without removing it from the web sharing prefpane.

Alternatively, you could install mailman from source/MacPorts/Fink and ignore the provided mailman...

On 14 Dec 2010, at 22:27 , JRC Groups wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> 
> I have been lucky enough to be helped by Mark Sapiro to get my installation
> of Mailman fixed and my mailing lists properly configured. His help has been
> crucial and I want to acknowledge publicly how grateful I am for his help.
> 
> We have experienced a problem that seems to be created by Apple's
> implementation of Mailman and Mark suggested I contacted others more
> experienced with Apple's OS X Server to obtain help.
> 
> In Mailman's mm_cfg.py file there are two lines that need to be as follows:
> 
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain.com'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.domain.com'
> 
> The problem is that I have edited this file three or four times now and it
> seems Apple's Server Admin or another OS X Server application continues to
> change it back to the following:
> 
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'servername'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'servername'
> 
> The problem with this is that every time someone looks at Mailman's listinfo
> web page to see what lists are hosted by our server the title on the top has
> the server name instead of the domain name for the lists. Instead of the
> listinfo page displaying the proper title that should be "www.domain.com
> Mailing Lists" it actually displays "servername Mailing Lists".
> 
> Does anyone know what might be causing this and hot to have this problem
> fixed ?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
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From floeff at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 20:34:12 2010
From: floeff at gmail.com (Florian Effenberger)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:34:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] owner alias bounces
Message-ID: <AANLkTintNeGBcN5dGWxNU9W2QHV+tf0YuqUjVeB+CHf8@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

on all my mailing lists, I have the problem that mails to the -owner
alias seem to bounce. The sender doesn't receive a bounce, but the
list owners don't receive the e-mail -- instead, failures are logged
in mailman's bounce log. The owners are the same as the subscribers
(it's an internal list), and mails to the list reach these
destinations itself, so it can't be a general problem. The receipients
are within and outside of our domain.

I'm a bit clueless and can't find much in the logs. Any idea where to
start searching?

Thanks,
Florian

From floeff at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 20:36:47 2010
From: floeff at gmail.com (Florian Effenberger)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:36:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] owner alias bounces
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTintNeGBcN5dGWxNU9W2QHV+tf0YuqUjVeB+CHf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTintNeGBcN5dGWxNU9W2QHV+tf0YuqUjVeB+CHf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin+EngD7+0Sai24jeTeWJapL0W21W-8Fs6-xEPL@mail.gmail.com>

Addendum:

Shortly afterwards, I fully receive a bounce probe message, with the
message sent to -owner as attachment. So, the message reaches me,
Mailman somehow bounces it anyways...

2010/12/14 Florian Effenberger <floeff at gmail.com>:
> Hello,
>
> on all my mailing lists, I have the problem that mails to the -owner
> alias seem to bounce. The sender doesn't receive a bounce, but the
> list owners don't receive the e-mail -- instead, failures are logged
> in mailman's bounce log. The owners are the same as the subscribers
> (it's an internal list), and mails to the list reach these
> destinations itself, so it can't be a general problem. The receipients
> are within and outside of our domain.
>
> I'm a bit clueless and can't find much in the logs. Any idea where to
> start searching?
>
> Thanks,
> Florian
>

From floeff at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 20:44:08 2010
From: floeff at gmail.com (Florian Effenberger)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:44:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] owner alias bounces
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin+EngD7+0Sai24jeTeWJapL0W21W-8Fs6-xEPL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTintNeGBcN5dGWxNU9W2QHV+tf0YuqUjVeB+CHf8@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin+EngD7+0Sai24jeTeWJapL0W21W-8Fs6-xEPL@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=7-JD8p_E2ys7tYULf+FTjUdguUy8SSQ6m6t=c@mail.gmail.com>

Another thing I just found out:

The mailman-owner alias is only generated for the 2nd of our two
virtual domains. Maybe that's related?
(The other -owner aliases, including the one for the list I'm testing
with, are correct, however.)

2010/12/14 Florian Effenberger <floeff at gmail.com>:
> Addendum:
>
> Shortly afterwards, I fully receive a bounce probe message, with the
> message sent to -owner as attachment. So, the message reaches me,
> Mailman somehow bounces it anyways...

From floeff at gmail.com  Wed Dec 15 10:40:21 2010
From: floeff at gmail.com (Florian Effenberger)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:40:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] owner alias bounces
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=7-JD8p_E2ys7tYULf+FTjUdguUy8SSQ6m6t=c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTintNeGBcN5dGWxNU9W2QHV+tf0YuqUjVeB+CHf8@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin+EngD7+0Sai24jeTeWJapL0W21W-8Fs6-xEPL@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=7-JD8p_E2ys7tYULf+FTjUdguUy8SSQ6m6t=c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimMAtygkjwTJ-T2XT_WqcYVzZjSTqf4OMRFmaxD@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

2010/12/14 Florian Effenberger <floeff at gmail.com>:

> Another thing I just found out:
>
> The mailman-owner alias is only generated for the 2nd of our two
> virtual domains. Maybe that's related?
> (The other -owner aliases, including the one for the list I'm testing
> with, are correct, however.)

interestingly, a withlist -l -r fix_url -a seems to have cured the
problem. Of course, copy-pasting it out of my documentation without
thinking led to the hostnames for 50% of the lists being wrong, which
I manually corrected in the list interface, but now things seem to
work. Maybe it also has something to do with the nightly cronjobs,
resetting the bounce counter?

Strange...

Anyone knows an easier solution when migration another host to our
mailing list server while adding another hostname?

Thanks,
Florian

From rhkramer at gmail.com  Wed Dec 15 14:39:01 2010
From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:39:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support the Archived-At header
	(RFC-5064)
Message-ID: <201012150839.01864.rhkramer@gmail.com>

I'm asking if mailman can be set up so it will calculate the required 
header (hash of the message ID or whatever) and insert it in a post 
before distributing the post to the list?  

I've tried googling and searching things like the NEWS file for mailman 
(at least for version 2.2x), with no luck.

I had seen words that Mailman will (i.e., plans to) support RFC-5064, 
but maybe it hasn't been implemented yet?

Randy Kramer

From barry at list.org  Wed Dec 15 15:44:26 2010
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:44:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support the Archived-At header
 (RFC-5064)
In-Reply-To: <201012150839.01864.rhkramer@gmail.com>
References: <201012150839.01864.rhkramer@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101215094426.54dcf3be@mission>

On Dec 15, 2010, at 09:39 AM, Randy Kramer wrote:

>I'm asking if mailman can be set up so it will calculate the required 
>header (hash of the message ID or whatever) and insert it in a post 
>before distributing the post to the list?  
>
>I've tried googling and searching things like the NEWS file for mailman 
>(at least for version 2.2x), with no luck.
>
>I had seen words that Mailman will (i.e., plans to) support RFC-5064, 
>but maybe it hasn't been implemented yet?

It's in the Mailman 3 alphas:

http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Stable+URLs

Cheers,
-Barry
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From rhkramer at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 05:15:14 2010
From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:15:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support the Archived-At header
	(RFC-5064)
In-Reply-To: <20101215094426.54dcf3be@mission>
References: <201012150839.01864.rhkramer@gmail.com>
	<20101215094426.54dcf3be@mission>
Message-ID: <201012152315.14390.rhkramer@gmail.com>

Thanks!

In case you (plural) are not aware, some mail lists are already using 
the Archived-At header in conjunction with the mail-archive.  The list 
I am most familiar with is the discuss at documentfoundation.org.

from: http://go.mail-archive.com/Q1UNIhR2F51LZaV-5fjs4-Qj5jM=

'
We use mlmmj - http://mlmmj.org/ but that by itself doesn't really
support hooking it up with the archive-at header and also has other
major limitations (as it will not handle cases where the footer
contains characters not available in the postings charset), thus we
use (used from the beginning) an additional filter in between
(pymime):
pymime can be foundhere: https://github.com/tdf/pymime
'

Randy Kramer


On Wednesday 15 December 2010 09:44:26 am Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Dec 15, 2010, at 09:39 AM, Randy Kramer wrote:
> >I'm asking if mailman can be set up so it will calculate the
> > required header (hash of the message ID or whatever) and insert it
> > in a post before distributing the post to the list?
> >
> >I've tried googling and searching things like the NEWS file for
> > mailman (at least for version 2.2x), with no luck.
> >
> >I had seen words that Mailman will (i.e., plans to) support
> > RFC-5064, but maybe it hasn't been implemented yet?
>
> It's in the Mailman 3 alphas:
>
> http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Stable+URLs
>
> Cheers,
> -Barry



From kalvingao at singaren.net.sg  Thu Dec 16 05:10:45 2010
From: kalvingao at singaren.net.sg (KAIWEN)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:10:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  email delay for 2 days
Message-ID: <30470032.post@talk.nabble.com>


dear all

i configure ubuntu 9.04 + mailman 2.1.12 + postfix 2.5.5. it works fine, but
there is a delay for sending emails from last week. i checked the mail log
file, it shows the mail is sent, but the recipient only can receive the
email 2 days later, any advise on solving this problem?

thank you!



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From kengqiangmk at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 16 19:06:31 2010
From: kengqiangmk at hotmail.com (MiaoKe)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:06:31 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notification set to no,
 but still received unsubscription message while member still there
Message-ID: <BLU112-W17AFCBFBDB9775A3FFF951BE150@phx.gbl>


Hello,
 
As the admin of one list, I received the following message recently:
 
From: mailman-bounces at ....
Sender: mailman-bounces at ....
To: mailinglistname-owner at ....
Subject: mailinglistname unsubscribe notification
Sent: Dec 16, 2010 9:00 AM

minks at ...... has been removed from Councilor.
 
But I checked the member database of that mailingilist, this minks at ...... is still there...
 
Please give some suggestions on how to resolve this!
 
Thanks very much!
 
Kay

 		 	   		  

From umarzuki at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 16:16:04 2010
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:16:04 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User unknown in virtual mailbox table
Message-ID: <AANLkTikaVBWuQfrwwyUEDNA2top6JY1-m1kC24O-jhz3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I created a list from the admin interface, not from CLI. I administator of
that list do not get the list creation notification & I found these messages
in /var/log/mailman/smtp-failure

Dec 16 13:49:13 2010 (26989) All recipients refused:
{'umarzuki at mydomain.com.my': (550, '5.1.0 <test02-bounces at mydomain.com.my>:
Sender
address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table')}, msgid:
<mailman.0.1292478551.30057.test02 at mydomain.com.my>
Dec 16 13:49:13 2010 (26989) delivery to umarzuki at mydomain.com.my failed
with
code 550: 5.1.0 <test02-bounces at mydomain.com.my>: Sender address rejected:
User
unknown in virtual mailbox table

# cat /var/log/maillog | grep test02
Dec 16 13:49:13 hpj-mail postfix/smtpd[30059]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 550 5.1.0 <test02-bounces at mydomain.com.my
>:
Sender address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table;
from=<test02-bounces at mydomain.com.my> to=<umarzuki at mydomain.com.my>
proto=ESMTP
helo=<mail.mydomain.com.my>

This installation in on centos 5.5

What should I do next so I can send and receive email to this list (test02)?

From bruceclark at icon.co.za  Thu Dec 16 15:24:42 2010
From: bruceclark at icon.co.za (bruce clark)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:24:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping sig files
Message-ID: <FA276BE9-1CD5-4EC5-948E-35C4A7E8E1F5@icon.co.za>

Hi,

I've looked at the FAQ but because I put the 'new' in newbie, I don't  
really understand the subtleties.

My problem: the users on my lists are waging a low-level war with  
their sig files. I do not allow commercial posting so they have  
started creating sig files with their commercial messages inside them.

This is creating a lot of 'heat' and wasting a huge amount of my time  
as I try and deal with users. I've gone into content filtering and  
listed the mime types of images to be filtered, but there is still  
text in the sig files that I would like to delete before the mail  
reaches the list.

Is there a way to strip entire sig files?

My FAQ reading mentions something about procmail (which I don't really  
understand). Should I be teaching myself something about procmail, or  
should I be putting my energy somewhere else? I guess I would somehow  
need to intercept the mail between the sender and the receiver and  
somehow 'fix' it?

Please, can anyone shed any light? I'm a writer and not an admin so  
speak slowly :)

(and don't suggest that I go around to the offenders' houses and beat  
them up - because I've thought of that already)

Thanks,
Bruce. 

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Dec 17 06:23:23 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:23:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping sig files
In-Reply-To: <FA276BE9-1CD5-4EC5-948E-35C4A7E8E1F5@icon.co.za>
Message-ID: <PC195201012162123230687fd575bc6@MSAPIRO>

bruce clark wrote
>
>My problem: the users on my lists are waging a low-level war with  
>their sig files. I do not allow commercial posting so they have  
>started creating sig files with their commercial messages inside them.
>
>This is creating a lot of 'heat' and wasting a huge amount of my time  
>as I try and deal with users. I've gone into content filtering and  
>listed the mime types of images to be filtered, but there is still  
>text in the sig files that I would like to delete before the mail  
>reaches the list.
>
>Is there a way to strip entire sig files?


If you have the ability to modify the Mailman code, you could create a
custom handler to do this. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9>.


>My FAQ reading mentions something about procmail (which I don't really  
>understand). Should I be teaching myself something about procmail, or  
>should I be putting my energy somewhere else? I guess I would somehow  
>need to intercept the mail between the sender and the receiver and  
>somehow 'fix' it?


If I were you, I would moderate the offending users and simply reject
their posts until they learn.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ptomblin at xcski.com  Fri Dec 17 13:04:21 2010
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:04:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping sig files
In-Reply-To: <FA276BE9-1CD5-4EC5-948E-35C4A7E8E1F5@icon.co.za>
References: <FA276BE9-1CD5-4EC5-948E-35C4A7E8E1F5@icon.co.za>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimc2YJyxuLrFa2y3ss4-y51omABa6VTjVK1zhj=@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:24 AM, bruce clark <bruceclark at icon.co.za> wrote:
> My problem: the users on my lists are waging a low-level war with their sig
> files. I do not allow commercial posting so they have started creating sig
> files with their commercial messages inside them.
>

You're not going to solve a social problem with technology.  If people
are violating the terms of the list, boot them off until they agree to
follow the terms of the list.

-- 
http://www.linkedin.com/in/paultomblin
http://careers.stackoverflow.com/ptomblin

From chris at westnet.com  Fri Dec 17 14:32:54 2010
From: chris at westnet.com (Christopher X. Candreva)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:32:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping sig files
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimc2YJyxuLrFa2y3ss4-y51omABa6VTjVK1zhj=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FA276BE9-1CD5-4EC5-948E-35C4A7E8E1F5@icon.co.za>
	<AANLkTimc2YJyxuLrFa2y3ss4-y51omABa6VTjVK1zhj=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.GSO.2.01.1012170832180.9410@westnet.com>

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Paul Tomblin wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:24 AM, bruce clark <bruceclark at icon.co.za> wrote:
> > My problem: the users on my lists are waging a low-level war with their sig
> > files. I do not allow commercial posting so they have started creating sig
> > files with their commercial messages inside them.
> >
> 
> You're not going to solve a social problem with technology.  If people
> are violating the terms of the list, boot them off until they agree to
> follow the terms of the list.

Or, moderate the list amd reject any posts with such a sig, explaining why.


==========================================================
Chris Candreva  -- chris at westnet.com -- (914) 948-3162
WestNet Internet Services of Westchester
http://www.westnet.com/

From mcnutt at utk.edu  Fri Dec 17 16:00:17 2010
From: mcnutt at utk.edu (McNutt Jr, William R)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:00:17 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping sig files
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012162123230687fd575bc6@MSAPIRO>
References: <FA276BE9-1CD5-4EC5-948E-35C4A7E8E1F5@icon.co.za>
	<PC195201012162123230687fd575bc6@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <0CD7A72044B75D478D36624D96C5D44123B5FE@kmbx2.utk.tennessee.edu>

That was kinda my take on it, too.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+mcnutt=utk.edu at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mcnutt=utk.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro

If I were you, I would moderate the offending users and simply reject their posts until they learn.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From alan at patriot.net  Fri Dec 17 16:48:33 2010
From: alan at patriot.net (Alan McConnell)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:48:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to send messages out to only a portion of
	themembers?
In-Reply-To: <PC19520101214214015081296fa1abb@MSAPIRO>
References: <20101210175145.GA4644@patriot.net>
	<PC19520101214214015081296fa1abb@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <20101217154833.GA4338@patriot.net>

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 09:40:15PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Alan McConnell wrote:
> 
> >	I have an idea, but not the Mailman/Python skills to implement
> >	it.  It is as follows:
> >Every month, create(automatically if possible) a new temporary  mailman
> >E-list(*).   Copy(automatically if possible) the members -- and data --
> >of the members to be reminded -- to this new temporary List.  Blast out
> >the warning.(Blast out a second time if deemed necessary).  Destroy
> >this temporary List.
> >(*)  If the regular List is called AbracaDabra, the new temporary
> >List can be called AbracaDabra-Remind, thus alerting AbracaDabra
> >members that here is an E-mail related to AbracaDabra, and should
> >be paid attention to.
> >
> >	Is there anything in the above suggestion that is impossible?
> >	If not, how much effort -- Python writing, etc -- would be
> >	needed?  It would seem to me that such a capability would be
> >	very useful for all kinds of groups and a multitude of purposes.
> 
> 
> I would do the following:
> 
> Create an announcement list named AbracaDabra-Remind following the
> guidelines in the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/3YA9>. This list will
> be permanent, but its membership will change. It should probably have 
> Privacy options... -> Subscription rules -> advertised = No and
> Archiving Options -> archive = No.
	Thanks for the reply, Mark.  I've taken a look at the documentation,
	and there is no mention there, nor probably can there be, of
	my situation.   Namely:  I am the admin of a couple of E-lists,
	run under mailman, but I am not the "owner".  These are E-lists
	set up at my requests(one is free, the other I pay for) at two
	different sites.  So, even if I could write python(not one of 
	my languages unfortunately), could I write commands from
	either my home machine or from my shell accounts at one of these
	big sites, that could do what I wanted?

	I think that in order to implement my suggestion(I don't say
	"solve my problem", since I can get along without this capability)
	it would have to be a part of the mailman package.  But maybe
	mailman developers aren't interested in this capability?  I
	have run the idea up the flagpole, but there have been minimal
	salutes so far<g>.

But I am certainly grateful for your thought and your response, Mark.

Best wishes of the Season to all!

Alan

-- 
Alan McConnell :  http://patriot.net/users/alan
        It is difficult to get a man to understand something when 
        his income depends on his not understanding it.

From lukas.vlcek at gmail.com  Fri Dec 17 13:55:36 2010
From: lukas.vlcek at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?THVrw6HFoSBWbMSNZWs=?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:55:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integration with external search engine
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=StisFsMjjidHD8uTdJS26g5cw-FsiNBDbFfrp@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Short version - I have two questions:
======================================

1) How to setup external archiver so that the email content gets indexed by
external search engine
2) How to (re)index existing content from mail list by external search
engine

Longer version:
======================================

I am looking at a best practice way how to integrate mailman with external
search engine. I found the following Wiki page [1] which contains a link to
Ext_Arch.py template which is brainchild of Mark Sapiro and Cedric Jeanneret
[2]. Cerdic was after indexing emails using Xapian and his implementation of
the Ext_Arch.py can be found here [3]. This all looks very promising but I
have a few questions/concerns:

To me it seems that the PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and
PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER commands (which are both set in mm_cfg.py) are
executed only when a new message arrives, that means it is not executed when
bin/arch is executed. This means that if there has been running some mail
list on mailman for a few years now and now I would like to allow searching
its content via new external search engine (like Xapian) it is simply no
enough to add external archiver and restart mailman because this would index
only newly added messages. Am I right?

How can I then have reindexed old content from that mail list into Xapian as
well? bin/arch <maillist> does not do that as it does not execute external
archivers. Moreover, running bin/arch can change URLs of individual public
emails (re-numbering) and that is probably unacceptable. So is there any way
how to iterate over existing emails, parse them and get an existing URL
value for them? (Such information could be then used to re-index old content
into external search server without need to run bin/arch).

Thanks,
Lukas Vlcek

[1]
http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/4.87+How+do+I+invoke+some+process+on+messages+as+they+are+added+to+the+pipermail+archive
[2] http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg56679.html
[3]
https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/531942/+attachment/1199211/+files/archive-and-index.py

From lukas.vlcek at gmail.com  Fri Dec 17 14:07:58 2010
From: lukas.vlcek at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?THVrw6HFoSBWbMSNZWs=?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:07:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integration with external search engine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=StisFsMjjidHD8uTdJS26g5cw-FsiNBDbFfrp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=StisFsMjjidHD8uTdJS26g5cw-FsiNBDbFfrp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik4nNfp4jVRsPwuXnHX3GAZPv1f4Zp21AH+Kzpi@mail.gmail.com>

Forgot to mention Mailman version: 2.1.13

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Luk?? Vl?ek <lukas.vlcek at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Short version - I have two questions:
> ======================================
>
> 1) How to setup external archiver so that the email content gets indexed by
> external search engine
> 2) How to (re)index existing content from mail list by external search
> engine
>
> Longer version:
> ======================================
>
> I am looking at a best practice way how to integrate mailman with external
> search engine. I found the following Wiki page [1] which contains a link to
> Ext_Arch.py template which is brainchild of Mark Sapiro and Cedric Jeanneret
> [2]. Cerdic was after indexing emails using Xapian and his implementation of
> the Ext_Arch.py can be found here [3]. This all looks very promising but I
> have a few questions/concerns:
>
> To me it seems that the PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and
> PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER commands (which are both set in mm_cfg.py) are
> executed only when a new message arrives, that means it is not executed when
> bin/arch is executed. This means that if there has been running some mail
> list on mailman for a few years now and now I would like to allow searching
> its content via new external search engine (like Xapian) it is simply no
> enough to add external archiver and restart mailman because this would index
> only newly added messages. Am I right?
>
> How can I then have reindexed old content from that mail list into Xapian
> as well? bin/arch <maillist> does not do that as it does not execute
> external archivers. Moreover, running bin/arch can change URLs of individual
> public emails (re-numbering) and that is probably unacceptable. So is there
> any way how to iterate over existing emails, parse them and get an existing
> URL value for them? (Such information could be then used to re-index old
> content into external search server without need to run bin/arch).
>
> Thanks,
> Lukas Vlcek
>
> [1]
> http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/4.87+How+do+I+invoke+some+process+on+messages+as+they+are+added+to+the+pipermail+archive
> [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg56679.html
> [3]
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/531942/+attachment/1199211/+files/archive-and-index.py
>

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Dec 18 03:40:58 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:40:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] owner alias bounces
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimMAtygkjwTJ-T2XT_WqcYVzZjSTqf4OMRFmaxD@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTintNeGBcN5dGWxNU9W2QHV+tf0YuqUjVeB+CHf8@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTin+EngD7+0Sai24jeTeWJapL0W21W-8Fs6-xEPL@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=7-JD8p_E2ys7tYULf+FTjUdguUy8SSQ6m6t=c@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimMAtygkjwTJ-T2XT_WqcYVzZjSTqf4OMRFmaxD@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D0C1F3A.6080604@msapiro.net>

On 12/15/2010 1:40 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> 
> interestingly, a withlist -l -r fix_url -a seems to have cured the
> problem. Of course, copy-pasting it out of my documentation without
> thinking led to the hostnames for 50% of the lists being wrong, which
> I manually corrected in the list interface, but now things seem to
> work. Maybe it also has something to do with the nightly cronjobs,
> resetting the bounce counter?
> 
> Strange...


The only thing fix_url would "fix" is the domain of the sender of the
mail and the domain of the list-owner at domain recipient (much but not all
mail to owners/moderators is sent first to the list-owner at ... address
and only then resent to the actual owner/moderator addresses. Possibly
this domain was not valid or didn't have a -owner alias.


> Anyone knows an easier solution when migration another host to our
> mailing list server while adding another hostname?


The procedure for adding a host name is

1) Put the appropriate add_virtualhost() in mm_cfg.py.
2) If Postfix is to generate virtual alias maps for this domain, add it
to POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS in mm_cfg.py.
3) To move any lists to that domain, run fix_url with the -u option on
the list(s)

I don't think there's any 'easier' solution.

Note, if you don't care about the web domain, you can set the host_name
on the list's General Options page instead of step 3.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Dec 18 03:44:39 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:44:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email delay for 2 days
In-Reply-To: <30470032.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <30470032.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4D0C2017.4040003@msapiro.net>

On 12/15/2010 8:10 PM, KAIWEN wrote:
> 
> i configure ubuntu 9.04 + mailman 2.1.12 + postfix 2.5.5. it works fine, but
> there is a delay for sending emails from last week. i checked the mail log
> file, it shows the mail is sent, but the recipient only can receive the
> email 2 days later, any advise on solving this problem?


If by mail log, you mean the Postfix log, the mail has left this server
and been delivered to the relay or recipient MX at the time of the log
entry. If the recipient didn't receive it for two days, you need to
examine the Received: headers of the recipient's message to find where
the delay occurred.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Dec 18 03:54:58 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:54:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notification set to no,
 but still received unsubscription message while member still there
In-Reply-To: <BLU112-W17AFCBFBDB9775A3FFF951BE150@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU112-W17AFCBFBDB9775A3FFF951BE150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D0C2282.9010405@msapiro.net>

On 12/16/2010 10:06 AM, MiaoKe wrote:
>  
> As the admin of one list, I received the following message recently:
>  
> From: mailman-bounces at ....
> Sender: mailman-bounces at ....
> To: mailinglistname-owner at ....
> Subject: mailinglistname unsubscribe notification
> Sent: Dec 16, 2010 9:00 AM
> 
> minks at ...... has been removed from Councilor.
>  
> But I checked the member database of that mailingilist, this minks at ...... is still there...
>  
> Please give some suggestions on how to resolve this!


Examine the Received: headers of the message you received to determine
where it originated. It could have come from an old version of the list
on a prior host or from a test or backup installation on the current host.

It is also possible the user unsubscribed by accident and then
resubscribed before you checked, although that doesn't explain why you
got the unsubscribe notification. If you have access, check Mailman's
'subscribe' log.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Dec 18 04:13:47 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:13:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User unknown in virtual mailbox table
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikaVBWuQfrwwyUEDNA2top6JY1-m1kC24O-jhz3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikaVBWuQfrwwyUEDNA2top6JY1-m1kC24O-jhz3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D0C26EB.4000403@msapiro.net>

On 12/16/2010 7:16 AM, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
> 
> I created a list from the admin interface, not from CLI. I administator of
> that list do not get the list creation notification & I found these messages
> in /var/log/mailman/smtp-failure
> 
> Dec 16 13:49:13 2010 (26989) All recipients refused:
> {'umarzuki at mydomain.com.my': (550, '5.1.0 <test02-bounces at mydomain.com.my>:
> Sender
> address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table')}, msgid:
> <mailman.0.1292478551.30057.test02 at mydomain.com.my>
> Dec 16 13:49:13 2010 (26989) delivery to umarzuki at mydomain.com.my failed
> with
> code 550: 5.1.0 <test02-bounces at mydomain.com.my>: Sender address rejected:
> User
> unknown in virtual mailbox table
> 
> # cat /var/log/maillog | grep test02
> Dec 16 13:49:13 hpj-mail postfix/smtpd[30059]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
> localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 550 5.1.0 <test02-bounces at mydomain.com.my
>> :
> Sender address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table;
> from=<test02-bounces at mydomain.com.my> to=<umarzuki at mydomain.com.my>
> proto=ESMTP
> helo=<mail.mydomain.com.my>
> 
> This installation in on centos 5.5
> 
> What should I do next so I can send and receive email to this list (test02)?


You did not receive the list created notice because your Postfix is
doing sender verification and You have not (properly) configured
Mailman/Postfix configuration for automatic generation of list aliases
and virtual alias maps at list creation time, so the virtual_alias_maps
entry for test02-bounces at mydomain.com.my did not exist at the time the
mail was sent.

See <http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node12.html>, in particular
subsections 6.1.1 and 6.1.2.

Also see the first several posts in the thread at
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-December/070671.html>
for a discussion of another aspect of this issue.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Dec 18 04:31:05 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:31:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integration with external search engine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=StisFsMjjidHD8uTdJS26g5cw-FsiNBDbFfrp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=StisFsMjjidHD8uTdJS26g5cw-FsiNBDbFfrp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D0C2AF9.1090207@msapiro.net>

On 12/17/2010 4:55 AM, Luk?? Vl?ek wrote:
> 
> I am looking at a best practice way how to integrate mailman with external
> search engine. I found the following Wiki page [1] which contains a link to
> Ext_Arch.py template which is brainchild of Mark Sapiro and Cedric Jeanneret
> [2]. Cerdic was after indexing emails using Xapian and his implementation of
> the Ext_Arch.py can be found here [3]. This all looks very promising but I
> have a few questions/concerns:
> 
> To me it seems that the PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and
> PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER commands (which are both set in mm_cfg.py) are
> executed only when a new message arrives, that means it is not executed when
> bin/arch is executed. This means that if there has been running some mail
> list on mailman for a few years now and now I would like to allow searching
> its content via new external search engine (like Xapian) it is simply no
> enough to add external archiver and restart mailman because this would index
> only newly added messages. Am I right?


Yes, you are right. The design intent of external archivers is that they
provide a hook to use an external process for both archiving and
searching of the external archive. External archivers were never
intended to be used to index the built-in pipermail archive. Thus, the
Ext_Arch.py template is just a kludge which is admittedly incomplete in
this respect.


> How can I then have reindexed old content from that mail list into Xapian as
> well? bin/arch <maillist> does not do that as it does not execute external
> archivers. Moreover, running bin/arch can change URLs of individual public
> emails (re-numbering) and that is probably unacceptable. So is there any way
> how to iterate over existing emails, parse them and get an existing URL
> value for them? (Such information could be then used to re-index old content
> into external search server without need to run bin/arch).


find /path/to/archives/private/LISTNAME \
 | egrep "[0-9]{6}.html" \
 | sed "s;.*archives/private;http://www.example.com/pipermail;"

with the obvious modification will get the URLs. Will that be enough?

> 
> [1]
> http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/4.87+How+do+I+invoke+some+process+on+messages+as+they+are+added+to+the+pipermail+archive
> [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg56679.html
> [3]
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/531942/+attachment/1199211/+files/archive-and-index.py

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Dec 18 09:09:57 2010
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:09:57 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Stripping sig files
In-Reply-To: <FA276BE9-1CD5-4EC5-948E-35C4A7E8E1F5@icon.co.za>
References: <FA276BE9-1CD5-4EC5-948E-35C4A7E8E1F5@icon.co.za>
Message-ID: <87tyibpkmi.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

bruce clark writes:

 > My problem: the users on my lists are waging a low-level war with  
 > their sig files. I do not allow commercial posting so they have  
 > started creating sig files with their commercial messages inside them.

First, consider whether this is really so bad.  I know I would be
annoyed if I were in your position -- these folks are deliberately
flouting your rules -- but do the other users really care?  If it's in
the sig, maybe nobody is looking at it unless they want to.  (No need
to explain to us; I just want to point out that the list owner is very
likely to be exceptionally sensitive to this kind of behavior, and
maybe it's not causing problems for the general members any more.)

If you think that something should be done, I second Mark's suggestion
of moderating "offenders" (filtering out whole posts as needed).  If I
understand the situation correctly, these really are *your* lists.
You may or may not be paying for the service in money, but you sure
have invested your time and effort and stress.  In Internet tradition,
you have every right to behave as capriciously as you like in allowing
traffic on your lists; simply enforcing the rules that have been
announced gives nobody *any* ground for complaint.  (That's not going
to stop the prima donnas from screeching, and that may be a real
problem for you, but for stress reduction, it's important that you
realize that they are in the wrong, you are in the right, and that is
that.  Then you can do what needs doing "in sorrow rather than in
anger".)

[[[ aside:
 > listed the mime types of images to be filtered,

Hey, don't run yourself down as "not an admin"!  There are plenty of
people who never figure that one out!
]]]

 > but there is still text in the sig files that I would like to
 > delete before the mail reaches the list.

This is not a great idea IMO.  Without agreement from the authors, it
is legally (copyright), ethically (IMHO, YMMV), and technically
problematic.  The first two are up to your judgment.  The technical
issue is that, unlike images and other multimedia attachments, the
signature is just text that is automatically inserted at the end of
the message, often without the author ever seeing it.  Conventionally
a signature is preceded by a line that contains the characters "-- "
(HYPHEN HYPHEN SPACE), no more, no less.  This allows readers with
capable mail programs to suppress display of the signature.

I infer from your post that the offenders are doing so deliberately.
If so, they can add it to their messages in an unconventional way that
an automatic sig-stripper won't recognize.  You can update the
stripper for new separators, but that's no fun for you.  It's also
beyond current technology to recognize commercial content and strip
only that.  So you are going to have to do the work of checking for
forbidden content.  If you want it removed, you'll probably have to
hand edit each offending message.

 > should I be putting my energy somewhere else? I guess I would somehow  
 > need to intercept the mail between the sender and the receiver and  
 > somehow 'fix' it?

I recommend, don't fix it, reject it.  Specifically, in the mailman
web interface, go to the membership pages, then to the problematic
user, and switch on the moderated checkbox for that member.

When their mail arrives, you (the list owner, and any assistant
moderators you appoint) will be told by Mailman.  If it has any
commercial content, reject it (there are four choices, "hold, approve,
reject, discard"; reject sends a message back to the author explaining
why, discard drops it in a black hole).  Have a canned message like
"Commercial content is forbidden on this list.  For technical reasons
it cannot be automatically removed.  Please resend your post without
such content."  Let people think it's being done by a robot; that
often keeps them from yelling too much.

If the mail is legitimate, let it through.

You needn't do this operation very often; Mailman will hold on to the
messages forever.  Remember, they are disobeying the rules, and
deliberately if I understand correctly.  You have no obligation to do
anything for them; reviewing the moderation queue every few days at
your convenience is *more* than they have any right to ask.  You do
this *for yourself*, because you want to see the on-topic content they
send, or because you want to support your other members who do.

When a person sends a couple of posts without objectionable content,
or if they send a sincere apology, turn off moderation for them as
described above.  How quickly to do this is a matter for your
judgment, obviously, but in my experience for most people having to
sit out one heated discussion because their posts don't show up until
after it's over is more than enough to convince them that crossing the
moderator is a bad idea.

 > (and don't suggest that I go around to the offenders' houses and beat  
 > them up - because I've thought of that already)

Well, that might require lawyers and icky stuff like that in the end.
Letting them sit in a corner for a day or five waiting for their oh-
so-important posts to arrive at the list seems like a more appropriate
measure.  What do you think?

Good luck!

From lukas.vlcek at gmail.com  Sat Dec 18 14:45:42 2010
From: lukas.vlcek at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?THVrw6HFoSBWbMSNZWs=?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:45:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integration with external search engine
In-Reply-To: <4D0C2AF9.1090207@msapiro.net>
References: <AANLkTi=StisFsMjjidHD8uTdJS26g5cw-FsiNBDbFfrp@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D0C2AF9.1090207@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimdjAcQy1qu-tQJuww7VEwcbR1wVW1w-jaJ4mB-@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

First of all, thanks for your time. Your help is very valuable.

see below for my comments and questions:

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 12/17/2010 4:55 AM, Luk?? Vl?ek wrote:
> >
> > I am looking at a best practice way how to integrate mailman with
> external
> > search engine. I found the following Wiki page [1] which contains a link
> to
> > Ext_Arch.py template which is brainchild of Mark Sapiro and Cedric
> Jeanneret
> > [2]. Cerdic was after indexing emails using Xapian and his implementation
> of
> > the Ext_Arch.py can be found here [3]. This all looks very promising but
> I
> > have a few questions/concerns:
> >
> > To me it seems that the PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and
> > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER commands (which are both set in mm_cfg.py) are
> > executed only when a new message arrives, that means it is not executed
> when
> > bin/arch is executed. This means that if there has been running some mail
> > list on mailman for a few years now and now I would like to allow
> searching
> > its content via new external search engine (like Xapian) it is simply no
> > enough to add external archiver and restart mailman because this would
> index
> > only newly added messages. Am I right?
>
>
> Yes, you are right. The design intent of external archivers is that they
> provide a hook to use an external process for both archiving and
> searching of the external archive. External archivers were never
> intended to be used to index the built-in pipermail archive. Thus, the
> Ext_Arch.py template is just a kludge which is admittedly incomplete in
> this respect.
>
>
> > How can I then have reindexed old content from that mail list into Xapian
> as
> > well? bin/arch <maillist> does not do that as it does not execute
> external
> > archivers. Moreover, running bin/arch can change URLs of individual
> public
> > emails (re-numbering) and that is probably unacceptable. So is there any
> way
> > how to iterate over existing emails, parse them and get an existing URL
> > value for them? (Such information could be then used to re-index old
> content
> > into external search server without need to run bin/arch).
>
>
> find /path/to/archives/private/LISTNAME \
>  | egrep "[0-9]{6}.html" \
>  | sed "s;.*archives/private;http://www.example.com/pipermail;"
>
> with the obvious modification will get the URLs. Will that be enough?
>

Not exactly. I need to index mail list content by external search server and
for each indexed mail I need to know working mailman public URL of that
mail. Ext_Arch.py allows me to hook into archiving process and gives me a
chance to index content of newly added mails and also gives me public URL
for them. That is nice but it does not give me a chance to learn URL for
existing mails that are already in mbox file.

My question is: if I take the <list-name>.mbox file is there any way how I
can deduce working URL of individual emails?
Say I can split the mbox file using:
csplit -s -b %06d.mbox -z <list-name>.mbox '/^From /' {*}
into individual emails. Would the numbering be the same as the one produced
by mailman in this case? (Providing mailman numbering starts from zero)

I learned that if I use this csplit technique with public archives then the
numbering is not guarantied to match (the order in which the mails are
stored in public archives does not match the numbering order of mailman
produced HTML files). Moreover public archive files do not contain all the
email headers (charset, encoding, content-type, ...) and I don't want to
index generated HTML files for now.

Thanks a lot,
Lukas


>
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/4.87+How+do+I+invoke+some+process+on+messages+as+they+are+added+to+the+pipermail+archive
> > [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg56679.html
> > [3]
> >
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/531942/+attachment/1199211/+files/archive-and-index.py
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>

From kalvingao at singaren.net.sg  Sun Dec 19 19:13:38 2010
From: kalvingao at singaren.net.sg (KAIWEN)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:13:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email delay for 2 days
In-Reply-To: <4D0C2017.4040003@msapiro.net>
References: <30470032.post@talk.nabble.com> <4D0C2017.4040003@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <30493891.post@talk.nabble.com>


Thanks Mark!

yes, the postfix mail log shows the mail is sent out, but i check the smtp
log & post log in mailman,it shows the mail posted by 2 days later. there is
an error message in email header:
 "Received-SPF: error (google.com: error in processing during lookup of
......"
is it the mailman problem?

i telnet my server smtp port, it comes time out. i use mxtoolbox to test
smtp, it shows "Reverse DNS FAILED! This is a problem"

dig my server, there is only 1 query with no anser, also have a warning:

";; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 54907
;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available
"
i am a beginer with ubuntu, i really don't know how to do?

thanks all of you in advance!




Mark Sapiro-3 wrote:
> 
> On 12/15/2010 8:10 PM, KAIWEN wrote:
>> 
>> i configure ubuntu 9.04 + mailman 2.1.12 + postfix 2.5.5. it works fine,
>> but
>> there is a delay for sending emails from last week. i checked the mail
>> log
>> file, it shows the mail is sent, but the recipient only can receive the
>> email 2 days later, any advise on solving this problem?
> 
> 
> If by mail log, you mean the Postfix log, the mail has left this server
> and been delivered to the relay or recipient MX at the time of the log
> entry. If the recipient didn't receive it for two days, you need to
> examine the Received: headers of the recipient's message to find where
> the delay occurred.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
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From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec 20 19:43:52 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:43:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email delay for 2 days
In-Reply-To: <30493891.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012201043520312f129e72c@MSAPIRO>

KAIWEN wrote:
>
>yes, the postfix mail log shows the mail is sent out, but i check the smtp
>log & post log in mailman,it shows the mail posted by 2 days later.


This is strange. You are saying that the Postfix log shows that the
message was sent out 2 days prior to Mailman's delivering it to
Postfix.

Are you sure you are not looking at entries for the incoming message to
Mailman in the Postfix log?

Is there anything in Mailman's smtp-failure log?


>there is
>an error message in email header:
> "Received-SPF: error (google.com: error in processing during lookup of
>......"
>is it the mailman problem?


See <http://www.openspf.org/>. This has nothing to do with Mailman, and
if anything would probably result in google/gmail treating the message
as spam, not delaying it.


>i telnet my server smtp port, it comes time out. i use mxtoolbox to test
>smtp, it shows "Reverse DNS FAILED! This is a problem"


Yes, but it is a problem with your DNS configuration, not a Mailman
problem.


>dig my server, there is only 1 query with no anser, also have a warning:
>
>";; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 54907
>;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
>;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available
>"
>i am a beginer with ubuntu, i really don't know how to do?


This too indicates DNS issues, not Mailman issues.

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Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brohler at purdue.edu  Tue Dec 21 17:40:56 2010
From: brohler at purdue.edu (Rohler, Brian L)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:40:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing root from receiving bounces
Message-ID: <0D7EE7B962591A4583AE663E7D9CB20CBDE51A6954@VPEXCH06.purdue.lcl>

My current setup is that we have a list of admins who administer our mailing lists. The problem I am having is there is also a list of users who receive email from a support@ address. The list of support@ users are getting tired of receiving EVERY bounced message that comes in. I don't mind the mailman list administrators receiving the bounces but I don't want my support@ users getting these bounce messages. How do I turn this off?


From davec at mecnet.net  Mon Dec 20 19:14:53 2010
From: davec at mecnet.net (David Cunningham)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:14:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Emails to Members of Two Lists
Message-ID: <20101220131453.u7hheuwg04084g0o@portal.test.mecnet.net>

Hi All,

I have a problem where users are listed on two separate lists, then  
the same email is sent to both lists, and they get two copies.

For example, joe at test.com is on lists test1 at lists.test.com and  
test2 at lists.test.com.  Dan at test.com sends an email to both  
test1 at lists.test.com and test2 at lists.test.com.  So, joe at test.com get's  
two copies of the same email, one from each list.

I know that the "nodupes" feature is only designed to stop duplicates  
in the event that a user is specifically defined in the email.  For  
example, it works great when dan at test.com sends an email to  
test1 at lists.test.com and CCs joe at test.com directly.  Joe at test.com only  
gets one copy.

But, I have users insisting that before I upgrade to the latest  
version of Mailman, this also worked when users were on multiple lists.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Dave


From steven.longstaff at sunderland.ac.uk  Tue Dec 21 12:40:36 2010
From: steven.longstaff at sunderland.ac.uk (PatsCat)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 03:40:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I display/print a full list of list
 entrants..?
Message-ID: <30505429.post@talk.nabble.com>


morning gurus,

As title asks, how, via the GUI, do I see all the people contained in a
particular list? Its got to be done. Surely. Cut'n'Pasting from each page 26
times (A-Z) ain't no fun..
thanks for looking..

Jess
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From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Tue Dec 21 22:15:30 2010
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:15:30 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I display/print a full list of list
 entrants..?
In-Reply-To: <30505429.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <30505429.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1012212313400.901@data.home>

On Tue, 21 Dec 2010, PatsCat wrote:

> As title asks, how, via the GUI, do I see all the people contained in a
> particular list? Its got to be done. Surely. Cut'n'Pasting from each page 26
> times (A-Z) ain't no fun..

Go to the general options screen and set admin_member_chunksize to a 
number larger than the number of list members.

Geoff.


From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Tue Dec 21 22:12:07 2010
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:12:07 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing root from receiving bounces
In-Reply-To: <0D7EE7B962591A4583AE663E7D9CB20CBDE51A6954@VPEXCH06.purdue.lcl>
References: <0D7EE7B962591A4583AE663E7D9CB20CBDE51A6954@VPEXCH06.purdue.lcl>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1012212310500.901@data.home>

On Tue, 21 Dec 2010, Rohler, Brian L wrote:

> My current setup is that we have a list of admins who administer our 
> mailing lists. The problem I am having is there is also a list of users 
> who receive email from a support@ address. The list of support@ users 
> are getting tired of receiving EVERY bounced message that comes in. I 
> don't mind the mailman list administrators receiving the bounces but I 
> don't want my support@ users getting these bounce messages. How do I 
> turn this off?

The support address must be listed as either a list owner or a list 
moderator (see general settings).  Remove that address from whichever 
field it appears in and it should stop, unless some other process is 
relaying mail to some other address on to the support address.

Geoff.


From jeffg at turners.com  Tue Dec 21 22:23:18 2010
From: jeffg at turners.com (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:23:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Emails to Members of Two Lists
In-Reply-To: <20101220131453.u7hheuwg04084g0o@portal.test.mecnet.net>
References: <20101220131453.u7hheuwg04084g0o@portal.test.mecnet.net>
Message-ID: <235ba8b4b45829f5cfaf4ff3093b0054@turners.com>


On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:14:53 -0800, "David Cunningham" <davec at mecnet.net>
wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a problem where users are listed on two separate lists, then  
> the same email is sent to both lists, and they get two copies.
> 
> For example, joe at test.com is on lists test1 at lists.test.com and  
> test2 at lists.test.com.  Dan at test.com sends an email to both  
> test1 at lists.test.com and test2 at lists.test.com.  So, joe at test.com get's  
> two copies of the same email, one from each list.
> 
> I know that the "nodupes" feature is only designed to stop duplicates  
> in the event that a user is specifically defined in the email.  For  
> example, it works great when dan at test.com sends an email to  
> test1 at lists.test.com and CCs joe at test.com directly.  Joe at test.com only  
> gets one copy.
> 
> But, I have users insisting that before I upgrade to the latest  
> version of Mailman, this also worked when users were on multiple lists.
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas?
> 
> Dave

You don't mention what version you are currently running.  You want to use
umbrella lists.  You can read more about it at
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030540.

Jeff

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Dec 21 22:31:09 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:31:09 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I display/print a full list of
	listentrants..?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1012212313400.901@data.home>
Message-ID: <PC195201012211331090859793d9924@MSAPIRO>

Geoff Shang wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Dec 2010, PatsCat wrote:
>
>> As title asks, how, via the GUI, do I see all the people contained in a
>> particular list? Its got to be done. Surely. Cut'n'Pasting from each page 26
>> times (A-Z) ain't no fun..
>
>Go to the general options screen and set admin_member_chunksize to a 
>number larger than the number of list members.


Or go to the roster via the "Visit Subscriber List" button on the
listinfo page.

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/aYA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From b19141 at anl.gov  Tue Dec 21 22:16:29 2010
From: b19141 at anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:16:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I display/print a full list of list
	entrants..?
In-Reply-To: Mail from 'PatsCat <steven.longstaff@sunderland.ac.uk>'
	dated: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 03:40:36 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <20101221211630.0975E54DC9@britaine.cis.anl.gov>

>morning gurus,
>
>As title asks, how, via the GUI, do I see all the people contained in a
>particular list? Its got to be done. Surely. Cut'n'Pasting from each page 26
>times (A-Z) ain't no fun..
>thanks for looking..
>
>Jess

General Options - admin_member_chunksize
(if you are running a recent Mailman).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 240, Room 5.B.8             Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Dec 21 22:41:22 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:41:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Emails to Members of Two Lists
In-Reply-To: <20101220131453.u7hheuwg04084g0o@portal.test.mecnet.net>
Message-ID: <PC19520101221134122040654e74bac@MSAPIRO>

David Cunningham wrote:
>
>For example, joe at test.com is on lists test1 at lists.test.com and  
>test2 at lists.test.com.  Dan at test.com sends an email to both  
>test1 at lists.test.com and test2 at lists.test.com.  So, joe at test.com get's  
>two copies of the same email, one from each list.
>
>I know that the "nodupes" feature is only designed to stop duplicates  
>in the event that a user is specifically defined in the email.  For  
>example, it works great when dan at test.com sends an email to  
>test1 at lists.test.com and CCs joe at test.com directly.  Joe at test.com only  
>gets one copy.
>
>But, I have users insisting that before I upgrade to the latest  
>version of Mailman, this also worked when users were on multiple lists.


The nodupes feature works as you understand. It has never worked to
avoid duplicate copies of cross-posted messages.

Possibly there was some modification in the prior Mailman version that
did this duplicate avoidance and was removed by the upgrade.

Possibly you were using the regular_exclude_lists feature (under
Non-digest options in the web admin interface) to avoid multiple
copies of cross posts and some how in the process of upgrading this
setting was changed.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Dec 21 23:33:56 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:33:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integration with external search engine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdjAcQy1qu-tQJuww7VEwcbR1wVW1w-jaJ4mB-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=StisFsMjjidHD8uTdJS26g5cw-FsiNBDbFfrp@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D0C2AF9.1090207@msapiro.net>
	<AANLkTimdjAcQy1qu-tQJuww7VEwcbR1wVW1w-jaJ4mB-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D112B54.1040306@msapiro.net>

On 12/18/2010 5:45 AM, Luk?? Vl?ek wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net
> <mailto:mark at msapiro.net>> wrote:
> 
>     find /path/to/archives/private/LISTNAME \
>      | egrep "[0-9]{6}.html" \
>      | sed "s;.*archives/private;http://www.example.com/pipermail;"
> 
>     with the obvious modification will get the URLs. Will that be enough?
> 
> 
> Not exactly. I need to index mail list content by external search server
> and for each indexed mail I need to know working mailman public URL of
> that mail.


The above shell command will get you a list of the URLs. If you are
saying you need to know the message content together with the URL, you
could still do this easily from the existing pipermail archive. The
point is that each individual message in the archive is in a file of the
form archives/private/LISTNAME/yyyy-Month/nnnnnn.html and the
LISTNAME/yyyy-Month/nnnnnn.html portion of that path is also the
variable part of the URL used to access the message.


> My question is: if I take the <list-name>.mbox file is there any way how
> I can deduce working URL of individual emails?
> Say I can split the mbox file using:
> csplit -s -b %06d.mbox -z <list-name>.mbox '/^From /' {*}
> into individual emails. Would the numbering be the same as the one
> produced by mailman in this case? (Providing mailman numbering starts
> from zero)


It will be the same as the numbering produced by running bin/arch
--wipe. As you note below, this is not guaranteed to be the same as that
in the existing archive.


> I learned that if I use this csplit technique with public archives then
> the numbering is not guarantied to match (the order in which the mails
> are stored in public archives does not match the numbering order of
> mailman produced HTML files). Moreover public archive files do not
> contain all the email headers (charset, encoding, content-type, ...) and
> I don't want to index generated HTML files for now.


If you really need information from the cummulative .mbox which is not
available in the existing pipermail html files, I see two choices.

If you don't want to rebuild the pipermail archive and possibly renumber
messages, you will need to develop some script to go through the .mbox
and parse the archive period (year/month or whatever the period is in
your case) from the messages and search the nnnn.html files in that
directory for a match.

If you don't mind possibly renumbering messages, you could first check
the .mbox with bin/cleanarch and then rebuild the archive from the .mbox
with bin/arch --wipe, and then your csplit above will give the correct
new numbers.

Before rebuilding the archive however, you might check if the numbering
in the mbox really doesn't match. While it is not guaranteed to match,
it often does, particularly if the archive is not too old - i.e., if the
oldest messages were archived by Mailman 2.1.x and not 2.0.x or older.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lukas.vlcek at gmail.com  Wed Dec 22 14:26:39 2010
From: lukas.vlcek at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?THVrw6HFoSBWbMSNZWs=?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:26:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integration with external search engine
In-Reply-To: <4D112B54.1040306@msapiro.net>
References: <AANLkTi=StisFsMjjidHD8uTdJS26g5cw-FsiNBDbFfrp@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D0C2AF9.1090207@msapiro.net>
	<AANLkTimdjAcQy1qu-tQJuww7VEwcbR1wVW1w-jaJ4mB-@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D112B54.1040306@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTing0fDXffWfmgu=yRvhMd315L5ZMYrN2B2xM135@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

again, thanks for your time. See my comments and questions below:

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 12/18/2010 5:45 AM, Luk?? Vl?ek wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net
> > <mailto:mark at msapiro.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     find /path/to/archives/private/LISTNAME \
> >      | egrep "[0-9]{6}.html" \
> >      | sed "s;.*archives/private;http://www.example.com/pipermail;"
> >
> >     with the obvious modification will get the URLs. Will that be enough?
> >
> >
> > Not exactly. I need to index mail list content by external search server
> > and for each indexed mail I need to know working mailman public URL of
> > that mail.
>
>
> The above shell command will get you a list of the URLs. If you are
> saying you need to know the message content together with the URL, you
> could still do this easily from the existing pipermail archive. The
> point is that each individual message in the archive is in a file of the
> form archives/private/LISTNAME/yyyy-Month/nnnnnn.html and the
> LISTNAME/yyyy-Month/nnnnnn.html portion of that path is also the
> variable part of the URL used to access the message.
>

Yes, I need email content and its valid public URL. However, when I say
content I do not mean the HTML rendered by Mailman. Technically it is
possible to parse the HTML and extract the content from it but this sounds
like an extra work while there is a raw mail source in mbox format. Not to
say that the HTML does not contain all the metadata I would like to extract
and it contains extra content which has to be identified and stripped out
(like threads info for example). Moreover, Mailman can be configured to
treat multipart/alternative in specific way (putting alternative into
attachment folder) which means that if I want to get all alternative
representations of the content I would have to crawl one more extra file...
etc.


>
>
> > My question is: if I take the <list-name>.mbox file is there any way how
> > I can deduce working URL of individual emails?
> > Say I can split the mbox file using:
> > csplit -s -b %06d.mbox -z <list-name>.mbox '/^From /' {*}
> > into individual emails. Would the numbering be the same as the one
> > produced by mailman in this case? (Providing mailman numbering starts
> > from zero)
>
>
> It will be the same as the numbering produced by running bin/arch
> --wipe. As you note below, this is not guaranteed to be the same as that
> in the existing archive.


OK, let's ask this fundamental question:

What is the Mailman algorithm to number individual HTML representations of
mails?

My understanding was that once the new mail is received by Mailman then it
is processed, appended to mbox accumulated file and put into private/public
archive folder (i.e. HTML representation is rendered and stored on the
disk). If the flow is that smooth then the numbering would really match the
order of individual messages in accumulated mbox file. May be if the new
message has to undergo admin moderation then this can influence the result
numbering (resulting in numbering gaps?), but I am just speculating here...

Do you think you could shed more light on the numbering process?
To me it seems unfortunate that there is really no simple way how to
determine valid URL for individual mails in mbox file.


> > I learned that if I use this csplit technique with public archives then
> > the numbering is not guarantied to match (the order in which the mails
> > are stored in public archives does not match the numbering order of
> > mailman produced HTML files). Moreover public archive files do not
> > contain all the email headers (charset, encoding, content-type, ...) and
> > I don't want to index generated HTML files for now.
>
>
> If you really need information from the cummulative .mbox which is not
> available in the existing pipermail html files, I see two choices.
>
> If you don't want to rebuild the pipermail archive and possibly renumber
> messages, you will need to develop some script to go through the .mbox
> and parse the archive period (year/month or whatever the period is in
> your case) from the messages and search the nnnn.html files in that
> directory for a match.


Search for the match using Message-ID value?
Message-ID is not always present in HTML version, is it? All I can see is
that the Message-ID value is encoded into mailto: link as a In-Reply-To
value. Other than that some advanced heuristics would have been used...


>
> If you don't mind possibly renumbering messages, you could first check
> the .mbox with bin/cleanarch and then rebuild the archive from the .mbox
> with bin/arch --wipe, and then your csplit above will give the correct
> new numbers.
>

Renumbering is really not an option for me.


> Before rebuilding the archive however, you might check if the numbering
> in the mbox really doesn't match. While it is not guaranteed to match,
> it often does, particularly if the archive is not too old - i.e., if the
> oldest messages were archived by Mailman 2.1.x and not 2.0.x or older.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>
Thanks,
Lukas

From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Wed Dec 22 17:59:40 2010
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:59:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specify different IP:port?
Message-ID: <4D122E7C.8070809@libertytrek.org>

Hi all,

I'm a little confused about how the mailman web interface works, since
it doesn't use normal vhost conf files...

How would I go about specifying a different IP:port for the mailman web
interface?

Currently, in /etc/apache2/conf/modules.d/50_mailman.conf I have:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"

<Directory "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/">
        AllowOverride None
        Options None
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
</Directory>

Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/"

<Directory "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/">
        AllowOverride None
        Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
</Directory>

But I'd like to specify a redirect to a specific URL, namely:

https://lists.example.com:#####

Where/how do I go about doing this?

Thanks,

Charles

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec 22 18:34:57 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:34:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integration with external search engine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTing0fDXffWfmgu=yRvhMd315L5ZMYrN2B2xM135@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=StisFsMjjidHD8uTdJS26g5cw-FsiNBDbFfrp@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D0C2AF9.1090207@msapiro.net>
	<AANLkTimdjAcQy1qu-tQJuww7VEwcbR1wVW1w-jaJ4mB-@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D112B54.1040306@msapiro.net>
	<AANLkTing0fDXffWfmgu=yRvhMd315L5ZMYrN2B2xM135@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D1236C1.7030401@msapiro.net>

On 12/22/2010 5:26 AM, Luk?? Vl?ek wrote:
> 
> What is the Mailman algorithm to number individual HTML representations
> of mails?


Sequential in order of arrival.


> My understanding was that once the new mail is received by Mailman then
> it is processed, appended to mbox accumulated file and put into
> private/public archive folder (i.e. HTML representation is rendered and
> stored on the disk). If the flow is that smooth then the numbering would
> really match the order of individual messages in accumulated mbox file.


This is correct. Further, the list is locked during this process so even
with "simultaneous" arrival of two messages to be archived, the order in
the .mbox should match the sequence in the pipermail archive.


> May be if the new message has to undergo admin moderation then this can
> influence the result numbering (resulting in numbering gaps?), but I am
> just speculating here...


No. It is not archived until after moderator approval.


> Do you think you could shed more light on the numbering process?
> To me it seems unfortunate that there is really no simple way how to
> determine valid URL for individual mails in mbox file. 


The number in the archive *should* match the sequence in the .mbox. The
reasons why it doesn't include manual editing of the .mbox file, running
bin/arch to add messages to the archive without adding them in the same
sequence to the .mbox file, and messages with embedded, unescaped "^From
" lines in the body.



>     If you don't want to rebuild the pipermail archive and possibly renumber
>     messages, you will need to develop some script to go through the .mbox
>     and parse the archive period (year/month or whatever the period is in
>     your case) from the messages and search the nnnn.html files in that
>     directory for a match.
> 
> 
> Search for the match using Message-ID value?
> Message-ID is not always present in HTML version, is it? All I can see
> is that the Message-ID value is encoded into mailto: link as a
> In-Reply-To value. Other than that some advanced heuristics would have
> been used...


In Mailman 2.1.10 and later, the mailto: always contains the message-id
of this message in the In-Reply-To fragment. Prior to 2.1.10 there was
not always a message-id in the mailto: and if there was, it was not the
message-id of this message but rather the in-reply-to of this message.


I suggest you simply test your .mbox file to see if the sequence numbers
you generate from the From_ lines match those in the archive. As long as
you have not manually manipulated the .mbox or merged separate .mbox
files, there's a good chance this will be OK. You don't have to check
every single message. If the numbering is off, there will be places
where the numbering jumps from being correct to "off by one" and then to
"off by two", etc. I.e., I don't think you have to worry about things
like an mbox sequence of n, n+1, n+2, n+3, ... corresponding to an
archive sequence of n, n+2, n+1, n+3, ... See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/RIA9> for a description of what happened to this
list when the archive was rebuilt in 2006.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec 22 19:22:30 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:22:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specify different
	IP:port?
In-Reply-To: <4D122E7C.8070809@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <PC19520101222102230084380932129@MSAPIRO>

Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>How would I go about specifying a different IP:port for the mailman web
>interface?
>
[...]
>
>But I'd like to specify a redirect to a specific URL, namely:
>
>https://lists.example.com:#####
>
>Where/how do I go about doing this?


You don't want to redirect to a different URL or port. Doing so will
lose the data from POST transactions and break the Mailman web
interface.

You want to set DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN and possibly PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL in
mm_cfg.py so that all Mailman generated URLs contain the port.

I.e., the defaults for these are

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'

and you would put

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:pppp/mailman/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s:pppp/pipermail/%(listname)s'

in mm_cfg.py where pppp is the desired port. Then you need to run
fix_url to update the lists as in

 bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/gIA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lukas.vlcek at gmail.com  Wed Dec 22 19:49:12 2010
From: lukas.vlcek at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?THVrw6HFoSBWbMSNZWs=?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:49:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integration with external search engine
In-Reply-To: <4D1236C1.7030401@msapiro.net>
References: <AANLkTi=StisFsMjjidHD8uTdJS26g5cw-FsiNBDbFfrp@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D0C2AF9.1090207@msapiro.net>
	<AANLkTimdjAcQy1qu-tQJuww7VEwcbR1wVW1w-jaJ4mB-@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D112B54.1040306@msapiro.net>
	<AANLkTing0fDXffWfmgu=yRvhMd315L5ZMYrN2B2xM135@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D1236C1.7030401@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikCS5y9feeaPpW=WjAsU32iWfBEWgt7voLaj5wb@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a lot Mark. Appreciate this!

Regards,
Lukas
Dne 22.12.2010 18:35 "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> napsal(a):
> On 12/22/2010 5:26 AM, Luk?? Vl?ek wrote:
>>
>> What is the Mailman algorithm to number individual HTML representations
>> of mails?
>
>
> Sequential in order of arrival.
>
>
>> My understanding was that once the new mail is received by Mailman then
>> it is processed, appended to mbox accumulated file and put into
>> private/public archive folder (i.e. HTML representation is rendered and
>> stored on the disk). If the flow is that smooth then the numbering would
>> really match the order of individual messages in accumulated mbox file.
>
>
> This is correct. Further, the list is locked during this process so even
> with "simultaneous" arrival of two messages to be archived, the order in
> the .mbox should match the sequence in the pipermail archive.
>
>
>> May be if the new message has to undergo admin moderation then this can
>> influence the result numbering (resulting in numbering gaps?), but I am
>> just speculating here...
>
>
> No. It is not archived until after moderator approval.
>
>
>> Do you think you could shed more light on the numbering process?
>> To me it seems unfortunate that there is really no simple way how to
>> determine valid URL for individual mails in mbox file.
>
>
> The number in the archive *should* match the sequence in the .mbox. The
> reasons why it doesn't include manual editing of the .mbox file, running
> bin/arch to add messages to the archive without adding them in the same
> sequence to the .mbox file, and messages with embedded, unescaped "^From
> " lines in the body.
>
>
>
>> If you don't want to rebuild the pipermail archive and possibly renumber
>> messages, you will need to develop some script to go through the .mbox
>> and parse the archive period (year/month or whatever the period is in
>> your case) from the messages and search the nnnn.html files in that
>> directory for a match.
>>
>>
>> Search for the match using Message-ID value?
>> Message-ID is not always present in HTML version, is it? All I can see
>> is that the Message-ID value is encoded into mailto: link as a
>> In-Reply-To value. Other than that some advanced heuristics would have
>> been used...
>
>
> In Mailman 2.1.10 and later, the mailto: always contains the message-id
> of this message in the In-Reply-To fragment. Prior to 2.1.10 there was
> not always a message-id in the mailto: and if there was, it was not the
> message-id of this message but rather the in-reply-to of this message.
>
>
> I suggest you simply test your .mbox file to see if the sequence numbers
> you generate from the From_ lines match those in the archive. As long as
> you have not manually manipulated the .mbox or merged separate .mbox
> files, there's a good chance this will be OK. You don't have to check
> every single message. If the numbering is off, there will be places
> where the numbering jumps from being correct to "off by one" and then to
> "off by two", etc. I.e., I don't think you have to worry about things
> like an mbox sequence of n, n+1, n+2, n+3, ... corresponding to an
> archive sequence of n, n+2, n+1, n+3, ... See the FAQ at
> <http://wiki.list.org/x/RIA9> for a description of what happened to this
> list when the archive was rebuilt in 2006.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
>

From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Wed Dec 22 21:31:02 2010
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:31:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specify different
	IP:port?
In-Reply-To: <PC19520101222102230084380932129@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC19520101222102230084380932129@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4D126006.4040208@libertytrek.org>

On 2010-12-22 1:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tanstaafl wrote:
>>
>> How would I go about specifying a different IP:port for the mailman
>> web interface?
>> 
> [...]
>> 
>> But I'd like to specify a redirect to a specific URL, namely:
>> 
>> https://lists.example.com:#####
>> 
>> Where/how do I go about doing this?

> You don't want to redirect to a different URL or port. Doing so will
> lose the data from POST transactions and break the Mailman web
> interface.

Hmmm... so, is 4.29 - which says otherwise (and which is referenced from
the FAQ you pointed me to below)- no longer valid?

http://wiki.list.org/x/7oA9

> You want to set DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN and possibly PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL in
> mm_cfg.py so that all Mailman generated URLs contain the port.
> 
> I.e., the defaults for these are
> 
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
> PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
> 
> and you would put
> 
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:pppp/mailman/'
> PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s:pppp/pipermail/%(listname)s'
> 
> in mm_cfg.py where pppp is the desired port. Then you need to run
> fix_url to update the lists as in
> 
>  bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url
> 
> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/gIA9>.

I did this, but the pages don't work... when I try to visit the correct
URL, it tries to connect, but looks like some kind of looping going on,
then I finally get a 'The connection was reset' error...

Any ideas?

From brian.mingus at Colorado.EDU  Wed Dec 22 22:07:23 2010
From: brian.mingus at Colorado.EDU (Brian J Mingus)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:07:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative actions extremely slow
Message-ID: <AANLkTikjVzX-CBfnrbN7cFrB95L+zVvk3O5QH69+gAU8@mail.gmail.com>

I am moderating a list with 4200 members. Clicking on any link is extremely
slow. I have asked that our server be upgraded, but I was told that the
problem is with the mailman software. They claim that every time I try to
perform any action mailman scans through every user. I have no ability to
verify the validity of this claim as I don't have access to the server.

I desperately need a fix to this problem. I just clicked on the link to the
admin interface and it took 19 seconds. That's partly due to the fact that I
just let three mails through, so the server is sending 12,000 e-mails. But
even when it's not sending e-mails it takes at least 10 seconds. Given the
simplicity of the admin interfaces it ought to be lightning fast.

Due to the slowness of the mailman interface I can no longer afford to send
custom reject messages - I just discard all mails that I don't want to get
through. I consider this to be rude to those subscribers who sent their
e-mail in good faith even though it was not topical.

Please let me know if you can think of a fix or troubleshooting steps for me
to recommend.

- Brian

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec 22 23:01:38 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:01:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specify
	differentIP:port?
In-Reply-To: <4D126006.4040208@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <PC195201012221401380015daf365f5@MSAPIRO>

Tanstaafl wrote:

>On 2010-12-22 1:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> Tanstaafl wrote:
>>>
>>> How would I go about specifying a different IP:port for the mailman
>>> web interface?
>>> 
>> [...]
>>> 
>>> But I'd like to specify a redirect to a specific URL, namely:
>>> 
>>> https://lists.example.com:#####
>>> 
>>> Where/how do I go about doing this?
>
>> You don't want to redirect to a different URL or port. Doing so will
>> lose the data from POST transactions and break the Mailman web
>> interface.
>
>Hmmm... so, is 4.29 - which says otherwise (and which is referenced from
>the FAQ you pointed me to below)- no longer valid?
>
>http://wiki.list.org/x/7oA9


4.29 or 4.27?

Both those FAQs ar valid. Perhaps it would help us understand if you
told us *exactly* what you are trying to accomplish. E.g., are you
really trying to force all access via https port 443 or are you trying
to do something else:

Also note that step 1 of FAQ 4.27 is only to get an initial access to
an http URL redirected to https. You still need to do steps 2 and 3 to
make the form action URLs go to the correct place without redirection
so as to not lose the form data.


>> You want to set DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN and possibly PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL in
>> mm_cfg.py so that all Mailman generated URLs contain the port.
>> 
>> I.e., the defaults for these are
>> 
>> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
>> PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
>> 
>> and you would put
>> 
>> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:pppp/mailman/'
>> PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s:pppp/pipermail/%(listname)s'
>> 
>> in mm_cfg.py where pppp is the desired port. Then you need to run
>> fix_url to update the lists as in
>> 
>>  bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url
>> 
>> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/gIA9>.
>
>I did this, but the pages don't work... when I try to visit the correct
>URL, it tries to connect, but looks like some kind of looping going on,
>then I finally get a 'The connection was reset' error...


What is the "correct" URL?  Note that the changes I suggest above only
affect what URLs are generated as links and for posting of forms. They
don't affect what happens when you go to one.

You may have some kind of circular redirect going on in Apache as noted
in step 1 of FAQ 4.27, or there may be some other problem. It is
difficult to say what without seeing your httpd.conf and all included
files.

What's in your Apache error_log?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec 23 01:48:04 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:48:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative actions extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikjVzX-CBfnrbN7cFrB95L+zVvk3O5QH69+gAU8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012221648040281f275571d@MSAPIRO>

Brian J Mingus wrote:

>I am moderating a list with 4200 members. Clicking on any link is extremely
>slow.


I assume you are talking about links in the 'admindb' interface. How
about the 'admin' interface?

Does this depend at all on how many requests are waiting moderator
action?


>I have asked that our server be upgraded, but I was told that the
>problem is with the mailman software. They claim that every time I try to
>perform any action mailman scans through every user.


Well, Mailman does instantiate the list which, assuming the default
membership data, includes the list membership. This requires that the
CGI process read and unpickle the list and membership configuration
file. For a list with 4200 members, this file is probably on the order
of 800 or 900 KB, and the unpickling should go almost as fast as the
physical reading, so unless this file is stored on a network file
system with slow access as opposed to a local disk on the Mailman
server, I don't thing that should be an issue.


>I have no ability to
>verify the validity of this claim as I don't have access to the server.
>
>I desperately need a fix to this problem. I just clicked on the link to the
>admin interface and it took 19 seconds. That's partly due to the fact that I
>just let three mails through, so the server is sending 12,000 e-mails.


Or possibly it's due to the list's being locked due to the processing
of the mail being sent.


>But
>even when it's not sending e-mails it takes at least 10 seconds. Given the
>simplicity of the admin interfaces it ought to be lightning fast.


Are you talking about the 'admin' interface or the 'admindb' interface?
please clarify. I.e. is the portion of the URL between the
host/mailman/ and /listname 'admin' or 'admindb'?


>Due to the slowness of the mailman interface I can no longer afford to send
>custom reject messages - I just discard all mails that I don't want to get
>through. I consider this to be rude to those subscribers who sent their
>e-mail in good faith even though it was not topical.
>
>Please let me know if you can think of a fix or troubleshooting steps for me
>to recommend.


The length of time for the admindb interface to load is usually
proportional to the number of requests waiting action and the number
of list members shouldn't have much to do with it.

You might try loading other pages such as the listinfo overview (which
requires instantiating every list in the installation) and the list
specific listinfo just for comparison.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From stephen at xemacs.org  Thu Dec 23 06:28:33 2010
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:28:33 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Administrative actions extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikjVzX-CBfnrbN7cFrB95L+zVvk3O5QH69+gAU8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikjVzX-CBfnrbN7cFrB95L+zVvk3O5QH69+gAU8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87mxnxnjlq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Brian J Mingus writes:

 > I am moderating a list with 4200 members. Clicking on any link is extremely
 > slow. I have asked that our server be upgraded, but I was told that the
 > problem is with the mailman software. They claim that every time I try to
 > perform any action mailman scans through every user. I have no ability to
 > verify the validity of this claim as I don't have access to the
 > server.

It probably does, but 4200 is by no means a large number of things to
scan, unless access to the user database is quite slow.  If your host
is using a Mailman modified to access a database, that could slow
things down quite a bit depending on how that's set up.  Seems very
implausible to me, but that's my best guess at why the number of
members could slow things down.

Let me offer my experience.  My largest list had a few more than 900
members, and the only time I recall the moderation pages being slow
was one instance where my host broke his incoming spam filters and in
48 hours I built up a moderation queue of over 1500 messages, 99.44%
pure spam.  I never did get a response; the network would time out and
the browser gave up.

For normal moderation queues of 0 to maybe 20 messages, the time to
complete a transaction would be anywhere from "blink and you'll miss
it" to 5 seconds, depending on network conditions as far as I know.

That's a 900 member list.  I don't see why anything other than a
linear scan would be involved, so it seems to me that you "should" be
getting response times in the 1 second range most of the time,
especially if you're working on a local area network.

 > Please let me know if you can think of a fix or troubleshooting steps for me
 > to recommend.

Everything I can think of requires shell access to the host.  I think
you're kind of dependent on your provider, but they want to point
fingers elsewhere.  "I feel your pain, brother." :-(



From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Thu Dec 23 13:37:33 2010
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 07:37:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specify
	differentIP:port?
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012221401380015daf365f5@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201012221401380015daf365f5@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4D13428D.7080402@libertytrek.org>

Thanks a lot for your help here Mark...

On 2010-12-22 5:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tanstaafl wrote:
>> Hmmm... so, is 4.29 - which says otherwise (and which is referenced from
>> the FAQ you pointed me to below)- no longer valid?
>>
>> http://wiki.list.org/x/7oA9

> 4.29 or 4.27?

Wups, sorry, yeah I meant 4.27...

> Both those FAQs ar valid. Perhaps it would help us understand if you
> told us *exactly* what you are trying to accomplish. E.g., are you
> really trying to force all access via https port 443 or are you trying
> to do something else:

Not port 443...

I'm trying to get things working on a non-standard port along the lines
of the How-To found here:

http://www.wesayso.net

(I know, I know, this is not ideal, but it does work well for all of the
other sites I've set up, now I'd just like to transition my mailman
install over to it as well)...

> Also note that step 1 of FAQ 4.27 is only to get an initial access to
> an http URL redirected to https. You still need to do steps 2 and 3 to
> make the form action URLs go to the correct place without redirection
> so as to not lose the form data.

I did... I set:

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s:#####/mailman/'

Where ##### is the 5 digit port I set it to, then I ran:

 # ./withlist -l -a -r fix_url
Importing fix_url...
Running fix_url.fix_url()...
Loading list listname (locked)
Saving list
... repeat for each list
Finalizing
 #

Was that the correct output? Did I need to stop mailman before running
that command?q

I also added the redirect for the non-ssl host to the ssl host per the
instructions at the above site:

RewriteCond   %{HTTP_HOST}  ^lists\.example\.com
RewriteRule ^(.*) https://lists.example.com:#####$1 [NC,R=301,L]

(##### is a 5 digit valid port that is not in use)

These two lines work fine for redirecting my other sites...

I didn't add an actual vhost directive for mailman in apache because I
never needed it before - I think that the settings in 50_mailman.conf
take care of that part...?

Strangely, even though I did the above changes, if I remove the
redirect, I can get to the lists on the non-ssl url, and it seems to
work fine (shows the membership, etc)... ??? I haven't tried changing
any settings yet though...

Sorry, I'm not very good with this stuff...

>> when I try to visit the correct URL, it tries to connect, but
>> looks like some kind of looping going on, then I finally get a
>> 'The connection was reset' error...

> What is the "correct" URL? Note that the changes I suggest above
> only affect what URLs are generated as links and for posting of
> forms. They don't affect what happens when you go to one.

The correct URL is what I'm trying to change...

The old one - that still works when the redirect above is commented out
- was:

http://lists.example.com/mailman

I'm trying to make it work on:

https://lists.example.com:#####/mailman

> You may have some kind of circular redirect going on in Apache as
> noted in step 1 of FAQ 4.27, or there may be some other problem. It
> is difficult to say what without seeing your httpd.conf and all
> included files.
> 
> What's in your Apache error_log?

I'll have to get back to you on that - no access to the server logs
right now...

From kvasilev at cellnetrix.com  Thu Dec 23 15:30:01 2010
From: kvasilev at cellnetrix.com (Konstantin Vasilyev)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:30:01 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman tips in FAQ have a mistake?
Message-ID: <4D135CE9.7080001@cellnetrix.com>

Hillo,

I try to integrate my Postfix with Mailman.
I use tip from FAQ here http://wiki.list.org/x/ZoCj
I have  error message
bin/genaliases
sed: illegal option -- r
usage: sed script [-Ealn] [-i extension] [file ...]
       sed [-Ealn] [-i extension] [-e script] ... [-f script_file] ...
[file ...]
I remove '-r' and try again.
result here
 bin/genaliases
sed: 1: "s/(^[^#][^ \t]+[ \t]+). ...": \1 not defined in the RE

I am not expert in sed. Can anyone help me?

PS. Sorry for my English.

From pevenden at telus.net  Thu Dec 23 02:13:02 2010
From: pevenden at telus.net (Paul Evenden)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:13:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message emails not going out,
	requests not being recieved
Message-ID: <17B26AA1D229414EA59A912F8219A0A1@user>

I have been using mailman for over 2 years and since december 2010 it has not been sending out my group emails nor have I been receiving requests for subscribing. Nothing has changed that I know of.
how can I test? where do I look?

Paul evenden


www.copperskymusic.com
www.farewellcd.com

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec 23 19:19:24 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:19:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message emails not going out,
	requests not being recieved
In-Reply-To: <17B26AA1D229414EA59A912F8219A0A1@user>
Message-ID: <PC195201012231019240515f4ad991b@MSAPIRO>

Paul Evenden wrote:

>I have been using mailman for over 2 years and since december 2010 it has not been sending out my group emails nor have I been receiving requests for subscribing. Nothing has changed that I know of.
>how can I test? where do I look?


Perhaps Mailman or one or more qrunners has stopped running. See the
FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9>. Since it was working and only
recently stopped, concentrate on items 2b, 6b, 7, 8, 9 and 13.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec 23 19:27:06 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:27:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman tips in FAQ have a mistake?
In-Reply-To: <4D135CE9.7080001@cellnetrix.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520101223102706018762b18141@MSAPIRO>

Konstantin Vasilyev wrote:
>
>I try to integrate my Postfix with Mailman.
>I use tip from FAQ here http://wiki.list.org/x/ZoCj
>I have  error message
>bin/genaliases
>sed: illegal option -- r
>usage: sed script [-Ealn] [-i extension] [file ...]
>       sed [-Ealn] [-i extension] [-e script] ... [-f script_file] ...
>[file ...]
>I remove '-r' and try again.
>result here
> bin/genaliases
>sed: 1: "s/(^[^#][^ \t]+[ \t]+). ...": \1 not defined in the RE
>
>I am not expert in sed. Can anyone help me?


The -r option is for GNU sed and says use extended regexps. It looks
like your sed wants -E instead. Try replacing -r with -E.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec 23 20:08:13 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:08:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specifydifferentIP:port?
In-Reply-To: <4D13428D.7080402@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <PC19520101223110813043762b18242@MSAPIRO>

Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>I'm trying to get things working on a non-standard port along the lines
>of the How-To found here:
>
>http://www.wesayso.net
>
>(I know, I know, this is not ideal, but it does work well for all of the
>other sites I've set up, now I'd just like to transition my mailman
>install over to it as well)...
>
>> Also note that step 1 of FAQ 4.27 is only to get an initial access to
>> an http URL redirected to https. You still need to do steps 2 and 3 to
>> make the form action URLs go to the correct place without redirection
>> so as to not lose the form data.
>
>I did... I set:
>
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s:#####/mailman/'
>
>Where ##### is the 5 digit port I set it to, then I ran:
>
> # ./withlist -l -a -r fix_url
>Importing fix_url...
>Running fix_url.fix_url()...
>Loading list listname (locked)
>Saving list
>... repeat for each list
>Finalizing
> #
>
>Was that the correct output? Did I need to stop mailman before running
>that command?q


That is the expected output. You don't need to restart Mailman. If you
want more output, you can run

 ./withlist -l -a -r fix_url -v

and it will report what it is setting.


>I also added the redirect for the non-ssl host to the ssl host per the
>instructions at the above site:
>
>RewriteCond   %{HTTP_HOST}  ^lists\.example\.com
>RewriteRule ^(.*) https://lists.example.com:#####$1 [NC,R=301,L]
>
>(##### is a 5 digit valid port that is not in use)
>
>These two lines work fine for redirecting my other sites...


I'm surprised this works for anything because this says if the host is
lists.example.com, redirect the request to
https://lists.example.com:#####$1 where $1 is the path in the original
request.

The problem is the redirected request also matches the host
lists.example.com, so it is redirected again in an endless loop.

The above two lines must either be in a VirtualHost block that applies
only to port 80 requests or at least not to port ##### requests
(perhaps that's why it works for the others) or it needs to be
augmented as in

RewriteCond   %{HTTP_HOST}  ^lists\.example\.com
RewriteCond   %{SERVER_PORT} !=#####
RewriteRule ^(.*) https://lists.example.com:#####$1 [NC,R=301,L]

so that it doesn't apply the rewrite if the port is already #####.


>I didn't add an actual vhost directive for mailman in apache because I
>never needed it before - I think that the settings in 50_mailman.conf
>take care of that part...?


Presumably they apply to all hosts which should be OK.


>Strangely, even though I did the above changes, if I remove the
>redirect, I can get to the lists on the non-ssl url, and it seems to
>work fine (shows the membership, etc)... ??? I haven't tried changing
>any settings yet though...


Without the rewrite, you should also be able to get there using the SSL
URL.


>Sorry, I'm not very good with this stuff...
>
>>> when I try to visit the correct URL, it tries to connect, but
>>> looks like some kind of looping going on, then I finally get a
>>> 'The connection was reset' error...
>
>> What is the "correct" URL? Note that the changes I suggest above
>> only affect what URLs are generated as links and for posting of
>> forms. They don't affect what happens when you go to one.
>
>The correct URL is what I'm trying to change...
>
>The old one - that still works when the redirect above is commented out
>- was:
>
>http://lists.example.com/mailman
>
>I'm trying to make it work on:
>
>https://lists.example.com:#####/mailman


And that should work too with the redirect commented out.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Thu Dec 23 20:46:44 2010
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:46:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specifydifferentIP:port?
In-Reply-To: <PC19520101223110813043762b18242@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC19520101223110813043762b18242@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4D13A724.7020102@libertytrek.org>

On 2010-12-23 2:08 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> I set:
>>
>> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s:#####/mailman/'
>>
>> Where ##### is the 5 digit port I set it to, then I ran:
>>
>> # ./withlist -l -a -r fix_url

<snip>

>> I also added the redirect for the non-ssl host to the ssl host per the
>> instructions at the above site:
>>
>> RewriteCond   %{HTTP_HOST}  ^lists\.example\.com
>> RewriteRule ^(.*) https://lists.example.com:#####$1 [NC,R=301,L]
>>
>> (##### is a 5 digit valid port that is not in use)
>>
>> These two lines work fine for redirecting my other sites...

> I'm surprised this works for anything...
<snip>
> The above two lines must either be in a VirtualHost block that applies
> only to port 80 requests

They are... but thanks for the tip on how to not rewrite if the port is
the right one already... can't hurt to add it so I did...

>> I didn't add an actual vhost directive for mailman in apache because I
>> never needed it before - I think that the settings in 50_mailman.conf
>> take care of that part...?

> Presumably they apply to all hosts which should be OK.

I meant I don't have a specific apache2 listener for mailman, like I do
for my other websites, I've only been (tryingto) add the rewrite rule (I
keep my rewrite rules in one .conf file, and the vhosts in individual
files per host)... maybe I need to create one that is listening on the
correct port, like I have for my other non-mailman vhosts?

>> Strangely, even though I did the above changes, if I remove the
>> redirect, I can get to the lists on the non-ssl url, and it seems to
>> work fine (shows the membership, etc)... ??? I haven't tried changing
>> any settings yet though...

> Without the rewrite, you should also be able to get there using the SSL
> URL.

Just tried, nope, it does the looping thing then gives the same error.

So, you're saying it is ok/normal for both the ssl and non-ssl pages to
work, even after I changed mm_cfg

As for logs...

With the redirect commented, I can get to the non-ssl pages just fine...

Trying to go to the ssl page, it gives the same error, and this is in
the error_log:

[Thu Dec 23 14:33:04 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.110]
mod_mime_magic: can't read `/usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/admin'
[Thu Dec 23 14:33:04 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.110] client denied
by server configuration: /usr/htdocs

Then, after commenting out the redirect and restarting apache, when I
try to go to the normal page (which should redirect to the ssl page), I
get the same error, nothing in the ssl logs, and only this in the
access_log:

192.168.1.110 - - [23/Dec/2010:14:37:19 -0500] "GET
/mailman/admin/listname/ HTTP/1.1" 301 349

and these two lines in the error_log:

[Thu Dec 23 14:37:06 2010] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down
[Thu Dec 23 14:37:09 2010] [notice] Apache/2.2.16 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.16
OpenSSL/1.0.0c configured -- resuming normal operations

<sigh>

Is there some kind of .conf parser for apache that will show the current
configs it is using, similar to 'postconf -n' for postfix?

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec 23 21:48:21 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:48:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specifydifferentIP:port?
In-Reply-To: <4D13A724.7020102@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <PC195201012231248210046f2bd6603@MSAPIRO>

Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>I meant I don't have a specific apache2 listener for mailman, like I do
>for my other websites, I've only been (tryingto) add the rewrite rule (I
>keep my rewrite rules in one .conf file, and the vhosts in individual
>files per host)... maybe I need to create one that is listening on the
>correct port, like I have for my other non-mailman vhosts?


If you haven't told Apache to listen on the port you're redirecting to,
that would explain a lot. You don't necessarily need a VirtualHost
block for that IP and port, but you do need to tell Apache to listen.


>> Without the rewrite, you should also be able to get there using the SSL
>> URL.
>
>Just tried, nope, it does the looping thing then gives the same error.


Or it just times out trying to connect because nothing is listening on
that port.


>So, you're saying it is ok/normal for both the ssl and non-ssl pages to
>work, even after I changed mm_cfg


Yes, After you changed mm_cfg.py and ran fix_url all links generated by
mailman will be of the https://lists.example.com:#####/mailman/ form,
but without the rewrite/redirect, the
http://lists.example.com/mailman/ URLs will still retrieve the pages.
Presumably this is because your ScriptAlias for Mailman is in a global
place in the config and applies to all hosts.


>As for logs...
>
>With the redirect commented, I can get to the non-ssl pages just fine...
>
>Trying to go to the ssl page, it gives the same error, and this is in
>the error_log:
>
>[Thu Dec 23 14:33:04 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.110]
>mod_mime_magic: can't read `/usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/admin'
>[Thu Dec 23 14:33:04 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.110] client denied
>by server configuration: /usr/htdocs


Actually, it appears that there is some issue causing the directives in
/etc/apache2/conf/modules.d/50_mailman.conf to not apply to the
https://lists.example.com:#####/ host because 50_mailman.conf contains

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"

but that's not where Apache is going - i.e., it's going to /usr/lib64/,
not /usr/local/.


>Then, after commenting out the redirect and restarting apache, when I
>try to go to the normal page (which should redirect to the ssl page), I
>get the same error, nothing in the ssl logs, and only this in the
>access_log:
>
>192.168.1.110 - - [23/Dec/2010:14:37:19 -0500] "GET
>/mailman/admin/listname/ HTTP/1.1" 301 349


Which says there's some redirect still in effect, thus the 301 status.


>Is there some kind of .conf parser for apache that will show the current
>configs it is using, similar to 'postconf -n' for postfix?


Not that I know of.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From kvasilev at cellnetrix.com  Mon Dec 27 09:41:59 2010
From: kvasilev at cellnetrix.com (Konstantin Vasilyev)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:41:59 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman tips in FAQ have a mistake?
In-Reply-To: <PC19520101223102706018762b18141@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC19520101223102706018762b18141@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4D185157.7080403@cellnetrix.com>

Hi Mark

Thank you for your reply. But error is still here:

# bin/genaliases
postmap: warning: /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman, line 14:
expected format: key whitespace value
postmap: warning: /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman, line 15:
expected format: key whitespace value
postmap: warning: /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman, line 16:
expected format: key whitespace value
postmap: warning: /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman, line 17:
expected format: key whitespace value
postmap: warning: /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman, line 18:
expected format: key whitespace value
postmap: warning: /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman, line 19:
expected format: key whitespace value
postmap: warning: /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman, line 20:
expected format: key whitespace value
postmap: warning: /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman, line 21:
expected format: key whitespace value
postmap: warning: /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman, line 22:
expected format: key whitespace value
postmap: warning: /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman, line 23:
expected format: key whitespace value
postmap: warning: /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman, line 26:
expected format: key whitespace value

--
With best regards,
Konstantin Vasilyev





23.12.2010 21:27, Mark Sapiro ?????:
> Konstantin Vasilyev wrote:
>> I try to integrate my Postfix with Mailman.
>> I use tip from FAQ here http://wiki.list.org/x/ZoCj
>> I have  error message
>> bin/genaliases
>> sed: illegal option -- r
>> usage: sed script [-Ealn] [-i extension] [file ...]
>>       sed [-Ealn] [-i extension] [-e script] ... [-f script_file] ...
>> [file ...]
>> I remove '-r' and try again.
>> result here
>> bin/genaliases
>> sed: 1: "s/(^[^#][^ \t]+[ \t]+). ...": \1 not defined in the RE
>>
>> I am not expert in sed. Can anyone help me?
>
> The -r option is for GNU sed and says use extended regexps. It looks
> like your sed wants -E instead. Try replacing -r with -E.
>

From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Mon Dec 27 13:14:08 2010
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:14:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specifydifferentIP:port?
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012231248210046f2bd6603@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201012231248210046f2bd6603@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4D188310.9070300@libertytrek.org>

On 2010-12-23 3:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tanstaafl wrote:

Mark wisely pointed out:
> If you haven't told Apache to listen on the port you're redirecting to,
> that would explain a lot. You don't necessarily need a VirtualHost
> block for that IP and port, but you do need to tell Apache to listen.

Ah, ok, that makes sense... but this brings up another question...

Where do I specify the server crt/key pair for the lists.example.com
vhost if I don't have a full blown vhost config file for it? Or can I
just go ahead and create one (vhost config file pointing to the correct
dir)?

>> As for logs...
>>
>> With the redirect commented, I can get to the non-ssl pages just fine...
>>
>> Trying to go to the ssl page, it gives the same error, and this is in
>> the error_log:
>>
>> [Thu Dec 23 14:33:04 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.110]
>> mod_mime_magic: can't read `/usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/admin'
>> [Thu Dec 23 14:33:04 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.110] client denied
>> by server configuration: /usr/htdocs

> Actually, it appears that there is some issue causing the directives in
> /etc/apache2/conf/modules.d/50_mailman.conf to not apply to the
> https://lists.example.com:#####/ host because 50_mailman.conf contains
> 
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"

Crap-crud... sorry, I copied from the old version from back before
gentoo moved everything - I had neglected to delete the old/no longer
used directory...

>From the correct/used /etc/apache2/modules.d/50_mailman.conf file:

<IfDefine MAILMAN>
        ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/"
        <Directory "/usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/">
                AllowOverride None
                Options None
                Order allow,deny
                Allow from all
        </Directory>

        Alias /pipermail/ "/var/lib/mailman/archives/public/"
        <Directory "/var/lib/mailman/archives/public/">
                AllowOverride None
                Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks
                Order allow,deny
                Allow from all
        </Directory>

        Alias /mailman-icons/ "/usr/lib64/mailman/icons/"
        <Directory "/usr/lib64/mailman/icons/">
                AllowOverride None
                Order allow,deny
                Allow from all
        </Directory>
</IfDefine>

>> Is there some kind of .conf parser for apache that will show the current
>> configs it is using, similar to 'postconf -n' for postfix?

> Not that I know of.

Too bad, it would sure come in handy when troubleshooting apache
problems, especially in complex environments (unlike my simple one)...

From stephen at xemacs.org  Mon Dec 27 13:54:16 2010
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:54:16 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specifydifferentIP:port?
In-Reply-To: <4D188310.9070300@libertytrek.org>
References: <PC195201012231248210046f2bd6603@MSAPIRO>
	<4D188310.9070300@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <87hbdzl6kn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Tanstaafl writes:

 > >> Is there some kind of .conf parser for apache that will show the current
 > >> configs it is using, similar to 'postconf -n' for postfix?
 > 
 > > Not that I know of.
 > 
 > Too bad, it would sure come in handy when troubleshooting apache
 > problems, especially in complex environments (unlike my simple one)...

I'm not an Apache expert, just addicted to doc browsing (and have the
memory of a packrat, full of shiny but often useless things), but ISTR
that there is a debug option or some such to get Apache to report the
configs it has parsed, and maybe even what it learned from them.


From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Mon Dec 27 15:06:35 2010
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:06:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specifydifferentIP:port?
In-Reply-To: <87hbdzl6kn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <PC195201012231248210046f2bd6603@MSAPIRO>	<4D188310.9070300@libertytrek.org>
	<87hbdzl6kn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <4D189D6B.3080703@libertytrek.org>

On 2010-12-27 7:54 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Tanstaafl writes:
>>>> Is there some kind of .conf parser for apache that will show the current
>>>> configs it is using, similar to 'postconf -n' for postfix?

Mark replied:
>>> Not that I know of.

>> Too bad, it would sure come in handy when troubleshooting apache
>> problems, especially in complex environments (unlike my simple one)...

> I'm not an Apache expert, just addicted to doc browsing (and have the
> memory of a packrat, full of shiny but often useless things), but ISTR
> that there is a debug option or some such to get Apache to report the
> configs it has parsed, and maybe even what it learned from them.

Cool, thanks Stephen, I'll google from that angle - and will report back
if I find anything interesting...

From fred at wb4aej.com  Mon Dec 27 05:33:08 2010
From: fred at wb4aej.com (Fred Atkinson, WB4AEJ)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:33:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Default Options for New Lists
Message-ID: <20101227043926.F0890EE98F@mail.python.org>

	I am running a Web site that is providing free mailing lists for 
certain types of organizations.

	It uses Mailman 2.1.13.

	I want to simplify list creation for new moderators.  I have a 
desired way by which these lists are to be set up and I want them to 
be created with these options when a new list is created rather than 
the way they are configured now.

	I haven't been able to figure out how to do this.  Does anyone have 
any suggestions for me?

	Regards,





								Fred 


From bluria at gmail.com  Mon Dec 27 21:33:40 2010
From: bluria at gmail.com (Brian Luria)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:33:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only allowing certain users to send to a mailing
	list
Message-ID: <AANLkTinaqAoTgL3r+Y1eTvFFX7oEeXAcX6WtwyKUEGgj@mail.gmail.com>

I have created some lists and I only want a certain short list of users to
be allowed to send to these lists - and these users are not necessarily
members of these lists.

What is the simplest way to do this? boolean somehow with sender filters?

Thanks in advance.

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec 27 21:56:14 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:56:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman tips in FAQ have a mistake?
In-Reply-To: <4D185157.7080403@cellnetrix.com>
References: <PC19520101223102706018762b18141@MSAPIRO>
	<4D185157.7080403@cellnetrix.com>
Message-ID: <4D18FD6E.3080908@msapiro.net>

On 12/27/2010 12:41 AM, Konstantin Vasilyev wrote:
> Hi Mark
> 
> Thank you for your reply. But error is still here:
> 
> # bin/genaliases
> postmap: warning: /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman, line 14:
> expected format: key whitespace value


This is a different error. sed is now running and creating the
transport-mailman file, but it is not correct so there is something
wrong with the sed command or the way your sed processes it.

Post the exact contents of your virtual_to_transport file and at least
one of the resultant lines in the transport-mailman file.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec 27 22:08:59 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:08:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Default Options for New Lists
In-Reply-To: <20101227043926.F0890EE98F@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <PC1952010122713085909068d41a7c5@MSAPIRO>

Fred Atkinson, WB4AEJ wrote:
>
>	I want to simplify list creation for new moderators.  I have a 
>desired way by which these lists are to be set up and I want them to 
>be created with these options when a new list is created rather than 
>the way they are configured now.
>
>	I haven't been able to figure out how to do this.  Does anyone have 
>any suggestions for me?


Many list settings have default values which can be set in mm_cfg.py.
See these settings and their documentation in Defaults.py. I think the
names of these settings all begin with DEFAULT_.

Alternatively, you can take the output from bin/config_list -o for a
list with the desired setup and edit out all the list specific stuff
such as real_name, owner, moderator, description, subject_prefix, etc.
and then run bin/config_list -i with that file as input for newly
created lists.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec 27 22:17:56 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:17:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only allowing certain users to send to a
	mailinglist
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinaqAoTgL3r+Y1eTvFFX7oEeXAcX6WtwyKUEGgj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012271317560703581468b7@MSAPIRO>

Brian Luria wrote:

>I have created some lists and I only want a certain short list of users to
>be allowed to send to these lists - and these users are not necessarily
>members of these lists.
>
>What is the simplest way to do this? boolean somehow with sender filters?


Set all users moderated and set default_member_moderation to Yes.
Set member_moderation_action and member_moderation_notice appropriately.

Then you have two choices:

Set moderation off for those allowed posters who are list members and
add the non members or an appropriate regexp to
accept_these_nonmembers, or

leave everyone moderated and provide the allowed posters with the list
moderator password and let them post with an Approved: <password>
header or first line pseudo-header.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec 27 22:35:03 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:35:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specifydifferentIP:port?
In-Reply-To: <4D188310.9070300@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <PC195201012271335030906e3f9694d@MSAPIRO>

Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>Where do I specify the server crt/key pair for the lists.example.com
>vhost if I don't have a full blown vhost config file for it? Or can I
>just go ahead and create one (vhost config file pointing to the correct
>dir)?


You need to have a VirtualHost block for this host:port. Whether that
is in an included vhost config file or directly in httpd.conf or
perhaps in the 50_mailman.conf file is up to you.


>>> As for logs...
>>>
>>> With the redirect commented, I can get to the non-ssl pages just fine...
>>>
>>> Trying to go to the ssl page, it gives the same error, and this is in
>>> the error_log:
>>>
>>> [Thu Dec 23 14:33:04 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.110]
>>> mod_mime_magic: can't read `/usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/admin'
>>> [Thu Dec 23 14:33:04 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.110] client denied
>>> by server configuration: /usr/htdocs
>
>> Actually, it appears that there is some issue causing the directives in
>> /etc/apache2/conf/modules.d/50_mailman.conf to not apply to the
>> https://lists.example.com:#####/ host because 50_mailman.conf contains
>> 
>> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>
>Crap-crud... sorry, I copied from the old version from back before
>gentoo moved everything - I had neglected to delete the old/no longer
>used directory...
>
>>From the correct/used /etc/apache2/modules.d/50_mailman.conf file:
>
><IfDefine MAILMAN>
>        ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>        <Directory "/usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/">
>                AllowOverride None
>                Options None
>                Order allow,deny
>                Allow from all
>        </Directory>
>
>        Alias /pipermail/ "/var/lib/mailman/archives/public/"
>        <Directory "/var/lib/mailman/archives/public/">
>                AllowOverride None
>                Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks
>                Order allow,deny
>                Allow from all
>        </Directory>
>
>        Alias /mailman-icons/ "/usr/lib64/mailman/icons/"
>        <Directory "/usr/lib64/mailman/icons/">
>                AllowOverride None
>                Order allow,deny
>                Allow from all
>        </Directory>
></IfDefine>


OK. so now it seems there is some permissions error on
/usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/admin. Are the /usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/*
files all in Mailman's group and all SETGID and world readable and
executable and are all the directories in the path at least world
searchable? Have you run bin/check_perms lately?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From bluria at gmail.com  Mon Dec 27 23:11:57 2010
From: bluria at gmail.com (Brian Luria)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:11:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only allowing certain users to send to a
	mailinglist
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012271317560703581468b7@MSAPIRO>
References: <AANLkTinaqAoTgL3r+Y1eTvFFX7oEeXAcX6WtwyKUEGgj@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201012271317560703581468b7@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Pz1wJWtK=a+JVpMurKUtV1ZVuzUr3mcGMV3HR@mail.gmail.com>

See below:

On 27 December 2010 16:17, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> Brian Luria wrote:
>
> >I have created some lists and I only want a certain short list of users to
> >be allowed to send to these lists - and these users are not necessarily
> >members of these lists.
> >
> >What is the simplest way to do this? boolean somehow with sender filters?
>
>
> Set all users moderated


*This is a check box for each member under membership management (the 'mod'
box)?*


> and set default_member_moderation to Yes.
>

*This is a setting under privacy options, sender filters?*


> Set member_moderation_action and member_moderation_notice appropriately.
>

*Seems to be in same place, sender filters?*

>
> Then you have two choices:
>
> Set moderation off for those allowed posters who are list members and
> add the non members or an appropriate regexp to
> accept_these_nonmembers, or
>
> leave everyone moderated and provide the allowed posters with the list
> moderator password and let them post with an Approved: <password>
> header or first line pseudo-header.
>
> *Option 1 sounds good*

> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>


-- 
*Brian J. Luria DVM, DACVIM*
Bluepearl Veterinary Partners, Florida
Tampa: (813) 933-8944
Clearwater: (727) 572-0132
Brandon: (813) 571-3303
www.bluepearlvet.com

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec 27 23:38:46 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:38:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only allowing certain users to send to a
	mailinglist
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Pz1wJWtK=a+JVpMurKUtV1ZVuzUr3mcGMV3HR@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012271438460218da040188@MSAPIRO>

Brian Luria wrote:
>
>On 27 December 2010 16:17, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>
>> Set all users moderated
>
>
>*This is a check box for each member under membership management (the 'mod'
>box)?*


Yes, although you can set all members at once under Additional Member
Tasks on the same page.


>> and set default_member_moderation to Yes.
>>
>
>*This is a setting under privacy options, sender filters?*


Yes.


>> Set member_moderation_action and member_moderation_notice appropriately.
>>
>
>*Seems to be in same place, sender filters?*


Yes.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From kvasilev at cellnetrix.com  Tue Dec 28 08:39:47 2010
From: kvasilev at cellnetrix.com (Konstantin Vasilyev)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:39:47 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman tips in FAQ have a mistake?
In-Reply-To: <4D18FD6E.3080908@msapiro.net>
References: <PC19520101223102706018762b18141@MSAPIRO>
	<4D185157.7080403@cellnetrix.com> <4D18FD6E.3080908@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <4D199443.8040705@cellnetrix.com>

Hi
Here is requested content
# less virtual_to_transport
#!/bin/sh
/usr/bin/sed -E -e 's/(^[^#][^ \t]+[ \t]+).+$/\1local/' $1 >
/usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman
/usr/local/sbin/postmap /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman

# less aliases
# This file is generated by Mailman, and is kept in sync with the
# binary hash file aliases.db.  YOU SHOULD NOT MANUALLY EDIT THIS FILE
# unless you know what you're doing, and can keep the two files properly
# in sync.  If you screw it up, you're on your own.

# The ultimate loop stopper address
mailman-loop: /usr/local/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox

# STANZA START: mailman
# CREATED: Mon Dec 27 11:34:25 2010
mailman:             "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
mailman-admin:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
mailman-bounces:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
mailman-confirm:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
mailman-join:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
mailman-leave:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
mailman-owner:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
mailman-request:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
mailman-subscribe:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"
# STANZA END: mailman

# less virtual-mailman
# This file is generated by Mailman, and is kept in sync with the binary
hash
# file virtual-mailman.db.  YOU SHOULD NOT MANUALLY EDIT THIS FILE
unless you
# know what you're doing, and can keep the two files properly in sync. 
If you
# screw it up, you're on your own.
#
# Note that you should already have this virtual domain set up properly in
# your Postfix installation.  See README.POSTFIX for details.

# LOOP ADDRESSES START
mailman-loop at cellnetrix.com     mailman-loop
# LOOP ADDRESSES END

# STANZA START: mailman
# CREATED: Mon Dec 27 11:34:25 2010
mailman at cellnetrix.com              mailman
mailman-admin at cellnetrix.com        mailman-admin
mailman-bounces at cellnetrix.com      mailman-bounces
mailman-confirm at cellnetrix.com      mailman-confirm
mailman-join at cellnetrix.com         mailman-join
mailman-leave at cellnetrix.com        mailman-leave
mailman-owner at cellnetrix.com        mailman-owner
mailman-request at cellnetrix.com      mailman-request
mailman-subscribe at cellnetrix.com    mailman-subscribe
mailman-unsubscribe at cellnetrix.com  mailman-unsubscribe
# STANZA END: mailman

# less transport-mailman
# This file is generated by Mailman, and is kept in sync with the binary
hash
# file virtual-mailman.db.  YOU SHOULD NOT MANUALLY EDIT THIS FILE
unless you
# know what you're doing, and can keep the two files properly in sync. 
If you
# screw it up, you're on your own.
#
# Note that you should already have this virtual domain set up properly in
# your Postfix installation.  See README.POSTFIX for details.

# LOOP ADDRESSES START
mailman-loop at cellnetlocal
# LOOP ADDRESSES END

# STANZA START: mailman
# CREATED: Mon Dec 27 11:34:25 2010
mailman at cellnetlocal
mailman-admin at cellnetlocal
mailman-bounces at cellnetlocal
mailman-confirm at cellnetlocal
mailman-join at cellnetlocal
mailman-leave at cellnetlocal
mailman-owner at cellnetlocal
mailman-requestlocal
mailman-subscribe at cellnetlocal
mailman-unsubscribe at cellnetlocal
# STANZA END: mailman



27.12.2010 23:56, Mark Sapiro ?????:
> On 12/27/2010 12:41 AM, Konstantin Vasilyev wrote:
>> Hi Mark
>>
>> Thank you for your reply. But error is still here:
>>
>> # bin/genaliases
>> postmap: warning: /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman, line 14:
>> expected format: key whitespace value
>
> This is a different error. sed is now running and creating the
> transport-mailman file, but it is not correct so there is something
> wrong with the sed command or the way your sed processes it.
>
> Post the exact contents of your virtual_to_transport file and at least
> one of the resultant lines in the transport-mailman file.
>

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Dec 28 21:08:31 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:08:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman tips in FAQ have a mistake?
In-Reply-To: <4D199443.8040705@cellnetrix.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012281208310968435a66a7@MSAPIRO>

Konstantin Vasilyev wrote:
>Here is requested content
># less virtual_to_transport
>#!/bin/sh
>/usr/bin/sed -E -e 's/(^[^#][^ \t]+[ \t]+).+$/\1local/' $1 >
>/usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman
>/usr/local/sbin/postmap /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman
>
[...]
># less virtual-mailman
[...]
># LOOP ADDRESSES START
>mailman-loop at cellnetrix.com     mailman-loop
># LOOP ADDRESSES END
>
># STANZA START: mailman
># CREATED: Mon Dec 27 11:34:25 2010
>mailman at cellnetrix.com              mailman
>mailman-admin at cellnetrix.com        mailman-admin
>mailman-bounces at cellnetrix.com      mailman-bounces
>mailman-confirm at cellnetrix.com      mailman-confirm
>mailman-join at cellnetrix.com         mailman-join
>mailman-leave at cellnetrix.com        mailman-leave
>mailman-owner at cellnetrix.com        mailman-owner
>mailman-request at cellnetrix.com      mailman-request
>mailman-subscribe at cellnetrix.com    mailman-subscribe
>mailman-unsubscribe at cellnetrix.com  mailman-unsubscribe
># STANZA END: mailman
>
># less transport-mailman
[...]
># LOOP ADDRESSES START
>mailman-loop at cellnetlocal
># LOOP ADDRESSES END
>
># STANZA START: mailman
># CREATED: Mon Dec 27 11:34:25 2010
>mailman at cellnetlocal
>mailman-admin at cellnetlocal
>mailman-bounces at cellnetlocal
>mailman-confirm at cellnetlocal
>mailman-join at cellnetlocal
>mailman-leave at cellnetlocal
>mailman-owner at cellnetlocal
>mailman-requestlocal
>mailman-subscribe at cellnetlocal
>mailman-unsubscribe at cellnetlocal
># STANZA END: mailman

It appears that your sed does not recognize the '\t' escape as meaning
a 'tab' character, but rather recognizes it as a literal 't'. This
causes that portion of the pattern in parentheses to be treated as
(^[^#][^ t]+[ t]+) which in turn matches non-comment lines through the
first string of one or more 't' characters instead of matching through
the first string of whitespace. Thus you end up with the above instead
of

# LOOP ADDRESSES START
mailman-loop at cellnetrix.com     local
# LOOP ADDRESSES END

# STANZA START: mailman
# CREATED: Mon Dec 27 11:34:25 2010
mailman at cellnetrix.com              local
mailman-admin at cellnetrix.com        local
mailman-bounces at cellnetrix.com      local
mailman-confirm at cellnetrix.com      local
mailman-join at cellnetrix.com         local
mailman-leave at cellnetrix.com        local
mailman-owner at cellnetrix.com        local
mailman-request at cellnetrix.com      local
mailman-subscribe at cellnetrix.com    local
mailman-unsubscribe at cellnetrix.com  local
# STANZA END: mailman

Fortunately, the whitespace in virtual-mailman is all spaces and no
tabs so you can change the expression in the sed command to

 -e 's/(^[^#][^ ]+[ ]+).+$/\1local/'

(i.e., just drop the two '\t's and it should work.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From kvasilev at cellnetrix.com  Wed Dec 29 09:52:33 2010
From: kvasilev at cellnetrix.com (Konstantin Vasilyev)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:52:33 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman tips in FAQ have a mistake?
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012281208310968435a66a7@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201012281208310968435a66a7@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4D1AF6D1.5030503@cellnetrix.com>

Hi
First of all thank you Mark for you attention.
I edited my sed command and this did the trick.

# less transport-mailman
# This file is generated by Mailman, and is kept in sync with the binary
hash
# file virtual-mailman.db.  YOU SHOULD NOT MANUALLY EDIT THIS FILE
unless you
# know what you're doing, and can keep the two files properly in sync. 
If you
# screw it up, you're on your own.
#
# Note that you should already have this virtual domain set up properly in
# your Postfix installation.  See README.POSTFIX for details.

# LOOP ADDRESSES START
mailman-loop at cellnetrix.com     mailman-loop
# LOOP ADDRESSES END

# STANZA START: mailman
# CREATED: Wed Dec 29 10:59:55 2010
mailman at cellnetrix.com              local
mailman-admin at cellnetrix.com        local
mailman-bounces at cellnetrix.com      local
mailman-confirm at cellnetrix.com      local
mailman-join at cellnetrix.com         local
mailman-leave at cellnetrix.com        local
mailman-owner at cellnetrix.com        local
mailman-request at cellnetrix.com      local
mailman-subscribe at cellnetrix.com    local
mailman-unsubscribe at cellnetrix.com  local
# STANZA END: mailman

But now I have another error in maillog
> postfix/smtpd[46087]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
> unknown[192.168.2.199]: 550 5.1.1 <mailman at cellnetrix.com>: Recipient
> address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table;
> from=<admin at cellnetrix.com> to=<mailman at cellnetrix.com> proto=ESMTP
> helo=<[192.168.2.199]>

Here is my postconf -n

# postconf -n
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
command_directory = /usr/local/sbin
config_directory = /usr/local/etc/postfix
content_filter = smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024
daemon_directory = /usr/local/libexec/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
html_directory = no
inet_interfaces = 192.168.2.2, localhost, 192.168.3.2
local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps
mail_owner = postfix
mail_spool_directory = /var/mail
mailbox_size_limit = 2147483648
mailq_path = /usr/local/bin/mailq
manpage_directory = /usr/local/man
message_size_limit = 20971520
mydestination = localhost
myhostname = cellnetrix.com
mynetworks = 192.168.5.0/24,192.168.2.0/24,192.168.3.0/24
mynetworks_style = subnet
newaliases_path = /usr/local/bin/newaliases
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
recipient_bcc_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/recipient_bcc
sample_directory = /usr/local/etc/postfix
sender_bcc_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/sender_bcc
sendmail_path = /usr/local/sbin/sendmail
setgid_group = maildrop
smtpd_sender_restrictions = permit_mynetworks reject_unknown_sender_domain
transport_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/transport,                
hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/virtual
virtual_gid_maps = static:125
virtual_mailbox_base = /var/mail/vhosts
virtual_mailbox_domains = my-sim.ru cellnetrix.com autoreply.cellnetrix.com
virtual_mailbox_limit = 0
virtual_mailbox_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/vmailbox
virtual_minimum_uid = 100
virtual_uid_maps = static:125

What am I doing wrong?

--
With best regards,
Konstantin Vasilyev





28.12.2010 23:08, Mark Sapiro ?????:
> Konstantin Vasilyev wrote:
>> Here is requested content
>> # less virtual_to_transport
>> #!/bin/sh
>> /usr/bin/sed -E -e 's/(^[^#][^ \t]+[ \t]+).+$/\1local/' $1 >
>> /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman
>> /usr/local/sbin/postmap /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman
>>
> [...]
>> # less virtual-mailman
> [...]
>> # LOOP ADDRESSES START
>> mailman-loop at cellnetrix.com     mailman-loop
>> # LOOP ADDRESSES END
>>
>> # STANZA START: mailman
>> # CREATED: Mon Dec 27 11:34:25 2010
>> mailman at cellnetrix.com              mailman
>> mailman-admin at cellnetrix.com        mailman-admin
>> mailman-bounces at cellnetrix.com      mailman-bounces
>> mailman-confirm at cellnetrix.com      mailman-confirm
>> mailman-join at cellnetrix.com         mailman-join
>> mailman-leave at cellnetrix.com        mailman-leave
>> mailman-owner at cellnetrix.com        mailman-owner
>> mailman-request at cellnetrix.com      mailman-request
>> mailman-subscribe at cellnetrix.com    mailman-subscribe
>> mailman-unsubscribe at cellnetrix.com  mailman-unsubscribe
>> # STANZA END: mailman
>>
>> # less transport-mailman
> [...]
>> # LOOP ADDRESSES START
>> mailman-loop at cellnetlocal
>> # LOOP ADDRESSES END
>>
>> # STANZA START: mailman
>> # CREATED: Mon Dec 27 11:34:25 2010
>> mailman at cellnetlocal
>> mailman-admin at cellnetlocal
>> mailman-bounces at cellnetlocal
>> mailman-confirm at cellnetlocal
>> mailman-join at cellnetlocal
>> mailman-leave at cellnetlocal
>> mailman-owner at cellnetlocal
>> mailman-requestlocal
>> mailman-subscribe at cellnetlocal
>> mailman-unsubscribe at cellnetlocal
>> # STANZA END: mailman
> It appears that your sed does not recognize the '\t' escape as meaning
> a 'tab' character, but rather recognizes it as a literal 't'. This
> causes that portion of the pattern in parentheses to be treated as
> (^[^#][^ t]+[ t]+) which in turn matches non-comment lines through the
> first string of one or more 't' characters instead of matching through
> the first string of whitespace. Thus you end up with the above instead
> of
>
> # LOOP ADDRESSES START
> mailman-loop at cellnetrix.com     local
> # LOOP ADDRESSES END
>
> # STANZA START: mailman
> # CREATED: Mon Dec 27 11:34:25 2010
> mailman at cellnetrix.com              local
> mailman-admin at cellnetrix.com        local
> mailman-bounces at cellnetrix.com      local
> mailman-confirm at cellnetrix.com      local
> mailman-join at cellnetrix.com         local
> mailman-leave at cellnetrix.com        local
> mailman-owner at cellnetrix.com        local
> mailman-request at cellnetrix.com      local
> mailman-subscribe at cellnetrix.com    local
> mailman-unsubscribe at cellnetrix.com  local
> # STANZA END: mailman
>
> Fortunately, the whitespace in virtual-mailman is all spaces and no
> tabs so you can change the expression in the sed command to
>
>  -e 's/(^[^#][^ ]+[ ]+).+$/\1local/'
>
> (i.e., just drop the two '\t's and it should work.
>

From JSeth at eastech.org  Wed Dec 29 14:15:40 2010
From: JSeth at eastech.org (Joni Seth)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 08:15:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Response: 450 Host down
Message-ID: <4D1AEE2C020000EA0002C784@gwiadom2.eastech.org>

I have set up Mailman and Postfix, following the instructions to the letter, and although Mailman will send out email fine, when I, as the administrator, try to send my email to the list I have created, I get the following error: Response: 450 Host down (myserver.mydomain.org). I am quite new to this and am not a Mailman or Postfix expert by any means, but if someone could point me in the right direction, I would be very grateful. Thank you.
 
 

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From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec 29 15:59:31 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 06:59:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Response: 450 Host down
In-Reply-To: <4D1AEE2C020000EA0002C784@gwiadom2.eastech.org>
Message-ID: <PC19520101229065931059362be6830@MSAPIRO>

Joni Seth wrote:

>I have set up Mailman and Postfix, following the instructions to the letter, and although Mailman will send out email fine, when I, as the administrator, try to send my email to the list I have created, I get the following error: Response: 450 Host down (myserver.mydomain.org). I am quite new to this and am not a Mailman or Postfix expert by any means, but if someone could point me in the right direction, I would be very grateful. Thank you.


It is hard to say without more information, but it seems that the
server attempting to send your mail to the list is unable to establish
an SMTP connection to Postfix on the Mailman host.

Is there a DNS MX record for the list domain that points to the correct
host or if not, an A record that points to the correct host?

Is Postfix on the Mailman host listening on port 25? Do you get a
response from

  telnet myserver.mydomain.org 25

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec 29 16:57:42 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 07:57:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman tips in FAQ have a mistake?
In-Reply-To: <4D1AF6D1.5030503@cellnetrix.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010122907574207966a3048c6@MSAPIRO>

Konstantin Vasilyev wrote:
>
>But now I have another error in maillog
>> postfix/smtpd[46087]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
>> unknown[192.168.2.199]: 550 5.1.1 <mailman at cellnetrix.com>: Recipient
>> address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table;
>> from=<admin at cellnetrix.com> to=<mailman at cellnetrix.com> proto=ESMTP
>> helo=<[192.168.2.199]>


Which says that Postfix is using the virtual transport for this address.


>Here is my postconf -n
>
># postconf -n
>alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases

Good.

[...]
>transport_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/transport,                
>hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman

Good. But, did you reload Postfix after adding the above? If so, I
don't know what the problem might be. But, see below.


[...]
>
>What am I doing wrong?


As I say above, if you reloaded Postfix after adding
hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman to transport_maps, I
don't know why this doesn't work, but, based on your Postfix
configuration, I don't know why you think you need to do this
transport_maps thing at all.

I think your Postfix will work if you do the following:

1) remove the

POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/path/to/data/virtual_to_transport'

line from mm_cfg.py.

2) run Mailman's bin/genaliases to create virtual-mailman.db

3) add "hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman" to Postfix
main.cf virtual_alias_maps.

4) remove "hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman" from Postfix
main.cf transport_maps.

5)reload Postfix.

At this point, Postfix should deliver mail to Mailman. You can then
remove /usr/local/mailman/data/transport-mailman* as those files are
no longer used.

Note, you should also add

recipient_delimiter = +

to Postfix main.cf so that Mailman's VERP like addresses will work.

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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Wed Dec 29 17:16:57 2010
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:16:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specify
	differentIP:port?
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012271335030906e3f9694d@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201012271335030906e3f9694d@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4D1B5EF9.50105@libertytrek.org>

On 2010-12-27 4:35 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tanstaafl wrote:
>> Where do I specify the server crt/key pair for the lists.example.com
>> vhost if I don't have a full blown vhost config file for it? Or can I
>> just go ahead and create one (vhost config file pointing to the correct
>> dir)?

> You need to have a VirtualHost block for this host:port. Whether that
> is in an included vhost config file or directly in httpd.conf or
> perhaps in the 50_mailman.conf file is up to you.

Ok... but what do I point the DocumentRoot and/or the directory to?

Hmmm... maybe /usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/   ?

Yes... it works now! Cool... thanks for your patience Mark...

> OK. so now it seems there is some permissions error on
> /usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/admin. Are the /usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/*
> files all in Mailman's group and all SETGID and world readable and
> executable and are all the directories in the path at least world
> searchable? Have you run bin/check_perms lately?

Just did, and there were no errors... and the site is definitely working
 now, but I just checked and that error message is still happening
whenever I access one of the list pages...

Any other ideas? Is it something I should be worried about?

Many thanks again for your help...

From Martin_Hugo at hboe.org  Wed Dec 29 15:47:12 2010
From: Martin_Hugo at hboe.org (Martin Hugo)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:47:12 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Response: 450 Host down
In-Reply-To: <4D1AEE2C020000EA0002C784@gwiadom2.eastech.org>
References: <4D1AEE2C020000EA0002C784@gwiadom2.eastech.org>
Message-ID: <70D7A4219FE365439DA53582BA6D8F2E0EEFD2DD@HCSD-MAIL2>

Hi Joni,

Sounds like your incoming mail server for your Mailman System is either not reachable or not responding to your outgoing server when you send the message.  You don't mention if they are separate systems or domains so I can't make any other suggestions at this time.  I would try opening a command prompt on your sending system and trying to manually contact the SMTP server on your Mailman System by telnetting to your Mailman SMTP server on port 25 and sending a message that way.  This may give you more information.

Marty

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Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:16 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Response: 450 Host down

I have set up Mailman and Postfix, following the instructions to the letter, and although Mailman will send out email fine, when I, as the administrator, try to send my email to the list I have created, I get the following error: Response: 450 Host down (myserver.mydomain.org). I am quite new to this and am not a Mailman or Postfix expert by any means, but if someone could point me in the right direction, I would be very grateful. Thank you.
 
 

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From umarzuki at gmail.com  Wed Dec 29 17:59:06 2010
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:59:06 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User unknown in virtual mailbox table
In-Reply-To: <4D0C26EB.4000403@msapiro.net>
References: <AANLkTikaVBWuQfrwwyUEDNA2top6JY1-m1kC24O-jhz3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D0C26EB.4000403@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinGwhHEeow7-e39M0-J0LVTLFcgCK19RdSQakQU@mail.gmail.com>

2010/12/18 Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>

> On 12/16/2010 7:16 AM, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>
>
> You did not receive the list created notice because your Postfix is
> doing sender verification and You have not (properly) configured
> Mailman/Postfix configuration for automatic generation of list aliases
> and virtual alias maps at list creation time, so the virtual_alias_maps
> entry for test02-bounces at mydomain.com.my did not exist at the time the
> mail was sent.
>
> See <http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node12.html>, in particular
> subsections 6.1.1 and 6.1.2.
>
>
i did a bit of reading from those links and did a few modification in

/etc/postfix/main.cf
-----------------------------
local_recipient_maps =
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases

although i suspect the the reasons could be caused by my openldap settings
(using ldap users)

virtual_alias_maps = proxy:ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap_virtual_alias_maps.cf,
proxy:ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap_virtual_group_maps.cf, proxy:ldap:/etc/postfix/
ldap_sender_login_maps.cf, proxy:ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap_catch_all_maps.cf

i can see that in /etc/mailman/aliases that there are those mail lists
aliases but i could not find any virtual_mailman file



-- 
Regards,

Umarzuki Mochlis
http://debmal.my

From mprewitt at teris.com  Wed Dec 29 22:03:30 2010
From: mprewitt at teris.com (Mark Prewitt)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:03:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplication question
Message-ID: <020901cba79b$dce9cb30$96bd6190$@com>



Good Day,
 I am having an issue which I need to figure out.  One of the issues we are
struggling with as we use Mailman to handle some internal traffic lists for
our company is that we have some people with more than 1 email account.
When some employees are sent an email and the list is cc'd, they are getting
2 copies of the email.  Even though both the TO and the list subscription
email account are the same.  So if I send an email to 'joe at teris.com' and he
is on the 'list at teris.com' and it is also on either the to or cc line, Joe
will get 2 copies of the email.  Even though we have nodupe turned on.
We are running version 2.1.13 on a n OSX 10.6.x server with the patch for
deduping against other mailing lists active.

I am confused as to why he is getting two emails as I thought the whole
point of the nodupes was to prevent anyone on the to/cc from getting a copy
of the email if a list they were on was also in the to/cc.
Is there a setting that I am missing somewhere? Or is this normal behavior?

Mark


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From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec 30 01:47:34 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:47:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplication question
In-Reply-To: <020901cba79b$dce9cb30$96bd6190$@com>
Message-ID: <PC19520101229164734025003ab221c@MSAPIRO>

Mark Prewitt wrote:

> I am having an issue which I need to figure out.  One of the issues we are
>struggling with as we use Mailman to handle some internal traffic lists for
>our company is that we have some people with more than 1 email account.


Is this relevant? See below.


>When some employees are sent an email and the list is cc'd, they are getting
>2 copies of the email.  Even though both the TO and the list subscription
>email account are the same.  So if I send an email to 'joe at teris.com' and he
>is on the 'list at teris.com' and it is also on either the to or cc line, Joe
>will get 2 copies of the email.  Even though we have nodupe turned on.


The setting "Do not send a copy of a member's own post" on the General
Options page under new_member_options is only a default for new list
members. The actual setting is a per user checkbox in the "nodupes"
column in the Membership Management -> Membership List page(s).

	
>We are running version 2.1.13 on a n OSX 10.6.x server with the patch for
>deduping against other mailing lists active.


What patch is this?

Are you running 2.1.13 from source or an Apple OS X Server package?


>I am confused as to why he is getting two emails as I thought the whole
>point of the nodupes was to prevent anyone on the to/cc from getting a copy
>of the email if a list they were on was also in the to/cc.


Correct. That is the point.


>Is there a setting that I am missing somewhere? Or is this normal behavior?


Perhaps you are missing the individual member "nodupes" settings? If
not, perhaps your "more than 1 email account" comment is relevant in
that if the address in To: or Cc: is not exactly the same (except for
case) as the member's subscribed address, Mailman will not see this as
a duplicate.

If neither of the above is the answer, perhaps it has something to do
with "the patch for deduping against other mailing lists" unless by
that you mean the regular_exclude_lists feature.

Or, if this is Apple's package, perhaps it is an Apple bug.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec 30 02:42:34 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:42:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User unknown in virtual mailbox table
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinGwhHEeow7-e39M0-J0LVTLFcgCK19RdSQakQU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520101229174234067103ab23c1@MSAPIRO>

Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
>
>i can see that in /etc/mailman/aliases that there are those mail lists
>aliases but i could not find any virtual_mailman file


If your list mail domain is local in Postfix, all you need is
alias_maps. If it is not local in Postfix, as indicated by the "User
unknown in virtual mailbox table" error, you need to add

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['mydomain.com.my']

to Mailman's mm_cfg.py where mydomain.com.my is your actual list mail
domain. Then run Mailman's bin/genaliases and it should create
virtual-mailman and virtual-mailman.db.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec 30 03:07:27 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:07:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specifydifferentIP:port?
In-Reply-To: <4D1B5EF9.50105@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <PC19520101229180727000003ab211b@MSAPIRO>

Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>Ok... but what do I point the DocumentRoot and/or the directory to?
>
>Hmmm... maybe /usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/   ?
>
>Yes... it works now! Cool... thanks for your patience Mark...


It really doesn't matter because Apache isn't serving any documents
except those public archive pages whose URLs match the Alias
/pipermail/ alias. The rest of Mailman's web interface is accessed via
the ScriptAlias /mailman/ directive and maybe the Alias
/mailman-icons/ directive.

The DocumentRoot would only apply to URLs of the form
https://host:port/something/... where something is not 'mailman',
'pipermail' or 'mailman-icons'. What you have done by setting it to
/usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/ is make it so that a URL such as
https://host:port/admin or https://host:port/private, etc will serve
the corresponding binary wrapper as a plain text (or whatever the
default content-type is) document.

So the question is not to what do you have to set DocumentRoot to make
things work? Rather it is what do you have to set DocumentRoot to not
return strange things for certain URLs. You might consider setting it
to some directory which has an index.html that redirects to
https://host:port/mailman/listinfo so that going to https://host:port/
or to https://host:port/index.html gets the listinfo overview page and
anything else that isn't a Mailman URL gets a 404.


>> OK. so now it seems there is some permissions error on
>> /usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/admin. Are the /usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/*
>> files all in Mailman's group and all SETGID and world readable and
>> executable and are all the directories in the path at least world
>> searchable? Have you run bin/check_perms lately?
>
>Just did, and there were no errors... and the site is definitely working
> now, but I just checked and that error message is still happening
>whenever I access one of the list pages...
>
>Any other ideas? Is it something I should be worried about?


This might be related to the DocumentRoot. I don't know. I would change
the DocumentRoot for the reasons I indicate above. That probably won't
change these errors, and if it doesn't, and the Mailman web interface
continues to work, this is an Apache question that I can't answer.

One thing you might consider is whether these errors always occur or
only when you go to the port 80 http URL and not when you go to an
https://...:port/ URL. If the latter is the case, it has something to
do with the port 80 host configuration.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mm at mblessenohl.de  Thu Dec 30 17:41:13 2010
From: mm at mblessenohl.de (mm at mblessenohl.de)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:41:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom E-Mail-Command vs no Confirmation or Approval
Message-ID: <000f01cba840$5f53eca0$1dfbc5e0$@mblessenohl.de>

Hi everybody,

 

 

Can deactivate ANY confirmation and approval emails for email commands
authorized by the site administrator password? How?

 

Is there an elegant update-proof solution? I need that especially for
subscription and unsubscription.

 

 

Thanks,

MM


From umarzuki at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 08:25:51 2010
From: umarzuki at gmail.com (Umarzuki Mochlis)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:25:51 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User unknown in virtual mailbox table
In-Reply-To: <PC19520101229174234067103ab23c1@MSAPIRO>
References: <AANLkTinGwhHEeow7-e39M0-J0LVTLFcgCK19RdSQakQU@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC19520101229174234067103ab23c1@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin3=tmtubXtr9wEzJbD4ecSSo=_ZRwzVi_jMS3C@mail.gmail.com>

2010/12/30 Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>

>
> If your list mail domain is local in Postfix, all you need is
> alias_maps. If it is not local in Postfix, as indicated by the "User
> unknown in virtual mailbox table" error, you need to add
>
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['mydomain.com.my']
>
> to Mailman's mm_cfg.py where mydomain.com.my is your actual list mail
> domain. Then run Mailman's bin/genaliases and it should create
> virtual-mailman and virtual-mailman.db.
>
>
i changed my mm_cfg.py setting to:

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS   = ['mydomain.my']

DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = fqdn
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = fqdn

i ran genaliases, restarted postfix & mailman but still having the same
problem where my email is umarzuki at mydomain.my & the mailserver's hostname
is mail-server.mydomain.my

this is what i got from /var/log/maillog

Dec 30 23:03:38 hpj-mail postfix/pipe[4468]: DA5B419C8818:
to=<umarzuki at mydomain.my>, relay=dovecot, delay=0.41,
delays=0.02/0.02/0/0.37, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via dovecot
service)
Dec 30 23:03:38 hpj-mail postfix/qmgr[3556]: DA5B419C8818: removed
Dec 30 23:10:08 hpj-mail postfix/postfix-script[5013]: stopping the Postfix
mail system
Dec 30 23:10:08 hpj-mail postfix/master[3551]: terminating on signal 15
Dec 30 23:10:09 hpj-mail postfix/postfix-script[5067]: warning:
/var/spool/postfix/etc/resolv.conf and /etc/resolv.conf differ
Dec 30 23:10:09 hpj-mail postfix/postfix-script[5070]: warning:
/var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts and /etc/hosts differ
Dec 30 23:10:09 hpj-mail postfix/postfix-script[5074]: starting the Postfix
mail system
Dec 30 23:10:09 hpj-mail postfix/master[5075]: daemon started -- version
0.6.1, configuration /etc/postfix
Dec 30 23:10:38 hpj-mail postfix/pickup[5077]: 2208619C8817: uid=48
from=<umarzuki at mydomain.my>
Dec 30 23:10:38 hpj-mail postfix/cleanup[5089]: 2208619C8817: message-id=<
72bd3b85fcef6d005cf3146776d74361 at 127.0.0.1>
Dec 30 23:10:38 hpj-mail postfix/qmgr[5078]: 2208619C8817:
from=<umarzuki at mydomain.my>, size=778, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Dec 30 23:10:38 hpj-mail postfix/pipe[5095]: 2208619C8817:
to=<test02 at mydomain.my>, relay=dovecot, delay=0.65, delays=0.56/0.04/0/0.05,
dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (user unknown)
Dec 30 23:10:38 hpj-mail postfix/cleanup[5089]: A321319C8818: message-id=<
20101230151038.A321319C8818 at mail-server.mydomain.my>
Dec 30 23:10:38 hpj-mail postfix/qmgr[5078]: A321319C8818: from=<>,
size=2554, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Dec 30 23:10:38 hpj-mail postfix/bounce[5097]: 2208619C8817: sender
non-delivery notification: A321319C8818
Dec 30 23:10:38 hpj-mail postfix/qmgr[5078]: 2208619C8817: removed
Dec 30 23:10:39 hpj-mail postfix/pipe[5095]: A321319C8818:
to=<umarzuki at mydomain.my>, relay=dovecot, delay=0.35,
delays=0.02/0.02/0/0.3, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via dovecot
service)
Dec 30 23:10:39 hpj-mail postfix/qmgr[5078]: A321319C8818: removed

this email server is set to use openldap, not unix users
what i want to achieve is to be able to use mailman mailing list even
though i'm using openldap for user creation

-- 
Regards,

Umarzuki Mochlis
http://debmal.my

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec 30 18:26:22 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:26:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User unknown in virtual mailbox table
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin3=tmtubXtr9wEzJbD4ecSSo=_ZRwzVi_jMS3C@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012300926220843f4ad9a61@MSAPIRO>

Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:

>i changed my mm_cfg.py setting to:
>
>POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS   = ['mydomain.my']
>
>
>
>i ran genaliases, restarted postfix & mailman but still having the same
>problem where my email is umarzuki at mydomain.my & the mailserver's hostname
>is mail-server.mydomain.my


You should have the following in mm_cfg.py


DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'hosts.web.domain'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'hosts.email.domain'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['hosts.email.domain']

Then run

/path/to/bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url
/path/to/bin/genaliases

If that doesn't fix the problem, post the output from

postconf -n


>this is what i got from /var/log/maillog
>
[...]
>Dec 30 23:10:38 hpj-mail postfix/qmgr[5078]: 2208619C8817:
>from=<umarzuki at mydomain.my>, size=778, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
>Dec 30 23:10:38 hpj-mail postfix/pipe[5095]: 2208619C8817:
>to=<test02 at mydomain.my>, relay=dovecot, delay=0.65, delays=0.56/0.04/0/0.05,
>dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (user unknown)


I don't think you can use the Dovecot LDA for list mail.

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/ZoCj> for a way to automate
generation of a transport_maps table to use the Postfix local delivery
agent for list mail.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Dec 30 19:26:27 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:26:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom E-Mail-Command vs no Confirmation or
	Approval
In-Reply-To: <000f01cba840$5f53eca0$1dfbc5e0$@mblessenohl.de>
Message-ID: <PC195201012301026270843870dcbe6@MSAPIRO>

mm at mblessenohl.de wrote:
>
>Can deactivate ANY confirmation and approval emails for email commands
>authorized by the site administrator password? How?


This would require source code modification. probably several of the
Mailman/Commands/cmd_* modules would require modification. Also,
Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py would need to be modified to at least
determine if site password authentication was present and set some
attribute in the Results class instance to so indicate to the command
modules and not send the results.


>Is there an elegant update-proof solution? I need that especially for
>subscription and unsubscription.


Use command line tools. If this must be done by email, create your own
email command processing module invoked by an email alias that would
pipe your command email to your module for processing.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brian.mingus at Colorado.EDU  Thu Dec 30 20:24:18 2010
From: brian.mingus at Colorado.EDU (Brian J Mingus)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:24:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative actions extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012221648040281f275571d@MSAPIRO>
References: <AANLkTikjVzX-CBfnrbN7cFrB95L+zVvk3O5QH69+gAU8@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201012221648040281f275571d@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinxBDrO3L7O3Ya4kEmJ9hMoTebP0a5JRoSr3Rs5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> Brian J Mingus wrote:
>
> >I am moderating a list with 4200 members. Clicking on any link is
> extremely
> >slow.
>
>
> I assume you are talking about links in the 'admindb' interface. How
> about the 'admin' interface?
>
>
In this e-mail I was referring to the admin interface. I was unaware that I
could replace admin with admindb and I don't know the difference.


> Does this depend at all on how many requests are waiting moderator
> action?
>
>
No. I usually don't have many requests awaiting action. Often just one or
two, and at most usually ten.


> >Due to the slowness of the mailman interface I can no longer afford to
> send
> >custom reject messages - I just discard all mails that I don't want to get
> >through. I consider this to be rude to those subscribers who sent their
> >e-mail in good faith even though it was not topical.
> >
> >Please let me know if you can think of a fix or troubleshooting steps for
> me
> >to recommend.
>
>
> The length of time for the admindb interface to load is usually
> proportional to the number of requests waiting action and the number
> of list members shouldn't have much to do with it.
>
> You might try loading other pages such as the listinfo overview (which
> requires instantiating every list in the installation) and the list
> specific listinfo just for comparison.
>
>
I visited mailman/listinfo and the page took 12 seconds to load. There were
about 15 lists shown.


Based on the information on this thread I can only guess that the server is
constantly sending e-mail and is thus overloaded and therefore slow. The
other option mentioned is a slow NFS. I will inquire as to both.

Thanks,

Brian

From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Thu Dec 30 22:52:24 2010
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:52:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specifydifferentIP:port?
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On 2010-12-29 9:07 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

<snip>

> This might be related to the DocumentRoot. I don't know. I would change
> the DocumentRoot for the reasons I indicate above.

Done, and thanks...

> That probably won't change these errors, and if it doesn't, and the
> Mailman web interface continues to work, this is an Apache question
> that I can't answer.
> 
> One thing you might consider is whether these errors always occur or
> only when you go to the port 80 http URL and not when you go to an
> https://...:port/ URL. If the latter is the case, it has something to
> do with the port 80 host configuration.

Interesting...

After the change to the DocRoot, now when I go to either one I get only
one error:

mod_mime_magic: can't read `/usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/admin'

Anyway, as you said the rest of the issues are all apache related, so
I'm off to figure out the last two issues I have.

Thanks again for all your help Mark!

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Dec 31 00:53:44 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:53:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative actions extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinxBDrO3L7O3Ya4kEmJ9hMoTebP0a5JRoSr3Rs5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201012301553440437026b5761@MSAPIRO>

Brian J Mingus wrote:
>
>On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>
>> I assume you are talking about links in the 'admindb' interface. How
>> about the 'admin' interface?
>>
>>
>In this e-mail I was referring to the admin interface. I was unaware that I
>could replace admin with admindb and I don't know the difference.


The admindb interface is the one for moderators to deal with requests
awating moderator action.

The admin interface consists of several sections called

    * General Options
    * Passwords
    * Language options
    * Membership Management...
    * Non-digest options
    * Digest options 
    * Privacy options...
    * Bounce processing
    * Archiving Options
    * Mail<->News gateways
    * Auto-responder
    * Content filtering
    * Topics

And is used to manage list settings and membership. The list's
administrator password authenticates for either interface and the
list's moderator password if any authenticates for only the admindb
interface.

It still sounds to me as if you are talking about the admindb interface
and not the admin interface.


>> Does this depend at all on how many requests are waiting moderator
>> action?
>>
>>
>No. I usually don't have many requests awaiting action. Often just one or
>two, and at most usually ten.


>> The length of time for the admindb interface to load is usually
>> proportional to the number of requests waiting action and the number
>> of list members shouldn't have much to do with it.
>>
>> You might try loading other pages such as the listinfo overview (which
>> requires instantiating every list in the installation) and the list
>> specific listinfo just for comparison.
>>
>>
>I visited mailman/listinfo and the page took 12 seconds to load. There were
>about 15 lists shown.


And this process did essentially the same amount of work that would be
required to visit the admin or the admindb interface for all of the 15
lists plus any other lists that weren't shown because they either
weren't advertised or were for a different virtual host.


>Based on the information on this thread I can only guess that the server is
>constantly sending e-mail and is thus overloaded and therefore slow. The
>other option mentioned is a slow NFS. I will inquire as to both.


Server overload is a possible explaination. Slow NFS is also possible,
but it seems unlikely as I think if the admindb interface for a list
with no outstanding requests takes on the order of 10 seconds to load,
the listinfo overview showing 15 lists would take substantially longer
if slow NFS were the explaination.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Dec 31 01:03:21 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:03:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative actions extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <PC195201012301553440437026b5761@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <PC195201012301603210859e92e1930@MSAPIRO>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>Server overload is a possible explaination. Slow NFS is also possible,
>but it seems unlikely as I think if the admindb interface for a list
>with no outstanding requests takes on the order of 10 seconds to load,
>the listinfo overview showing 15 lists would take substantially longer
>if slow NFS were the explaination.



Another possibility occurs to me. Possibly the web server is overloaded
and badly configured so that there is significant delay in
starting/allocating a child process to handle the request.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Fri Dec 31 15:41:53 2010
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 09:41:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specifydifferentIP:port?
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	<4D1CFF18.7050806@libertytrek.org>
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On 2010-12-30 4:52 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> After the change to the DocRoot, now when I go to either one I get only
> one error:
> 
> mod_mime_magic: can't read `/usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/admin'

Forgot to ask - any other ideas on this error message? I'm looking into
it from the apache angle, but not getting anywhere...

From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri Dec 31 16:24:38 2010
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 00:24:38 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specifydifferentIP:port?
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	<4D1CFF18.7050806@libertytrek.org>
	<4D1DEBB1.4080103@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <87hbduj77t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Tanstaafl writes:
 > On 2010-12-30 4:52 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
 > > After the change to the DocRoot, now when I go to either one I get only
 > > one error:
 > > 
 > > mod_mime_magic: can't read `/usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/admin'
 > 
 > Forgot to ask - any other ideas on this error message? I'm looking into
 > it from the apache angle, but not getting anywhere...

Have you run check_perms recently?

What are the owner, group, and permissions for that file?

Have you enabled ACLs, or SELinux, or other such software?


From info at certuspersonality.com  Fri Dec 31 16:35:30 2010
From: info at certuspersonality.com (certuspersonality)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 01:35:30 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not sending to list members
Message-ID: <20101231153834.FAHE25056.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@herward-i79lit1.certuspersonality.com>

I have sent a email message to an email list of which I am the 
administrator and also on the member list, received the email 
requesting approval for publication, gave that approval, and then the 
email message was sent to me (info at certuspersonality.com) as the 
original supplier of the message, the number of times that equals the 
number of members in the email list. It did not go to the list 
members (except for me).

Which setting do I probably have wrong in Mailman?

Help greatly appreciated,
Herward Hencke 


From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Fri Dec 31 18:56:58 2010
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:56:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specifydifferentIP:port?
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	<87hbduj77t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
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On 2010-12-31 10:24 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Tanstaafl writes:
>> On 2010-12-30 4:52 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>> After the change to the DocRoot, now when I go to either one I get only
>>> one error:
>>> 
>>> mod_mime_magic: can't read `/usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/admin'

>> Forgot to ask - any other ideas on this error message? I'm looking into
>> it from the apache angle, but not getting anywhere...

> Have you run check_perms recently?

Yep, shows no problems...

> What are the owner, group, and permissions for that file?

Same as all the rest in cgi-bin:

-rwxr-s--x  1 mailman mailman 10448 Dec  5 13:37 admin

> Have you enabled ACLs, or SELinux, or other such software?

Nope...

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Dec 31 18:44:07 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 09:44:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not sending to list members
In-Reply-To: <20101231153834.FAHE25056.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@herward-i79lit1.certuspersonality.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010123109440704051383159c@Notebook-09>

certuspersonality wrote:

>I have sent a email message to an email list of which I am the 
>administrator and also on the member list, received the email 
>requesting approval for publication, gave that approval, and then the 
>email message was sent to me (info at certuspersonality.com) as the 
>original supplier of the message, the number of times that equals the 
>number of members in the email list. It did not go to the list 
>members (except for me).
>
>Which setting do I probably have wrong in Mailman?


It doesn't seem to me that this is a Mailman issue. My best guess based
on the limited information is there is some issue with your MTA and/or
DNS configuration. It seems that mailman sent the message to the list
members, but the MTA couldn't deliver it so it bounced or forwarded
those undeliverable messages back to you.

To say anything more, we'd need to see Mailman's 'smtp', 'smtp-failure'
and 'bounce' logs, and the MTA's logs showing what it did with those
messages.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Dec 31 19:13:26 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:13:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman web interface - specifydifferentIP:port?
In-Reply-To: <4D1E196A.2050302@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <PC1952010123110132605062320e614@Notebook-09>

Tanstaafl wrote:

>On 2010-12-31 10:24 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>
>> What are the owner, group, and permissions for that file?
>
>Same as all the rest in cgi-bin:
>
>-rwxr-s--x  1 mailman mailman 10448 Dec  5 13:37 admin


There's the issue. Apache can execute the wrappers, but mod_magic can't
read them.

chmod o+r /usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/*

should get rid of the error. Note that it obviously isn't important
that mod_magic can't read the file. It is trying to determine the file
type from it's contents, but when it can't, Apache does the right
thing anyway.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan