[Mailman-Users] Outlook Indenting messages

[Mark Sapiro]

Gerrat Rickert wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net]
>>Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:56 AM
>>To: Gerrat Rickert; mailman-users at python.org
>>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Outlook Indenting messages
>>
>>Gerrat Rickert wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, and in the past, when posting to a python mailing list (not
>>>this one specifically), my message has been indented and placed under
>>>the last message (of a completely unrelated post).
>>>-ie. it looks like I've hijacked a thread.
>>
>>
>>I assume you are talking about your message in the pipermail archive.
>>If so, can you point at one such in the archives of a list?
><snip>
>
>Yes, this message:
>http://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-python/2009-June/019859.html


I see the incorrect threading of the above message in the index
<http://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-python/2009-June>. I also
see other threading anomalies in the same index.

I downloaded the twisted-python.mbox/twisted-python.mbox file from
twistedmatrix.com and built the May and June archive from it in a test
2.1.9 Mailman. For example at the end of
<http://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-python/2009-June> I see

---------------------------------------------------------------
# [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   Jared Gisin
                + [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   Phil Christensen
                + [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   glyph at
divmod.com
                + [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   Phil Christensen 
    * [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   Alex Clemesha
          o [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   Jared Gisin
                + [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   Phil Christensen
                + [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   Johan Rydberg 
# [Twisted-Python] twisted.web2 only can serve one connection at the
same time when using scgi?   Chris
# [Twisted-Python] Fwd: SerialPort.loseConnection() in Win32,
workaround   biziap biziap
    * [Twisted-Python] Twisted Trial   Gerrat Rickert
          o [Twisted-Python] Twisted Trial   glyph at divmod.com
                + [Twisted-Python] Twisted Trial   Gerrat Rickert 
# [Twisted-Python] adbapi and multiple queries in single transaction.  
Vishal Shetye
                + [Twisted-Python] adbapi and multiple queries in
single transaction.   Phil Christensen 
# [Twisted-Python] adbapi and multiple queries in single   Vishal Shetye
# [Twisted-Python] [ANN] Foolscap-0.4.2 released   Brian Warner
# [Twisted-Python] How to disable XMLRPC logging   Dustin Land
    * [Twisted-Python] How to disable XMLRPC logging   Jean-Paul
Calderone 
---------------------------------------------------------------

and in the archive I built from the .mbox

---------------------------------------------------------------
# [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   Jared Gisin
    * [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   Phil Christensen
          o [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   glyph at divmod.com
                + [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   Phil Christensen 
    * [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   Alex Clemesha
          o [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   Jared Gisin
                + [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   Phil Christensen 
    * [Twisted-Python] untwisting twistd   Johan Rydberg 
# [Twisted-Python] twisted.web2 only can serve one connection at the
same time when using scgi?   Chris
# [Twisted-Python] Fwd: SerialPort.loseConnection() in Win32,
workaround   biziap biziap
# [Twisted-Python] Twisted Trial   Gerrat Rickert
    * [Twisted-Python] Twisted Trial   glyph at divmod.com
          o [Twisted-Python] Twisted Trial   Gerrat Rickert 
# [Twisted-Python] adbapi and multiple queries in single transaction.  
Vishal Shetye
    * [Twisted-Python] adbapi and multiple queries in single
transaction.   Phil Christensen 
# [Twisted-Python] adbapi and multiple queries in single   Vishal Shetye
# [Twisted-Python] [ANN] Foolscap-0.4.2 released   Brian Warner
# [Twisted-Python] How to disable XMLRPC logging   Dustin Land
    * [Twisted-Python] How to disable XMLRPC logging   Jean-Paul
Calderone 
---------------------------------------------------------------

You can see in the twistedmatrix.com index two cases where the second
post in a thread is indented to level 3 instead of level 1 which is
clearly wrong. You can also see that in the archive I built, your
thread starts at level 0 as it should.

Also note that this apparently has nothing to do with Outlook.. There
is a similarly indented post in early June -

[Twisted-Python] Application Design help - Concurrent but not Protocols
based.   Senthil Kumaran 

and the posting MUA in that case was Mutt.

Also see
<http://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/glyph-discuss/2009-May/thread.html>
where the only two posts (spam) are both indented to level 1.

Does this occur only on twistedmatrix.com lists? There is clearly
something wrong with the archiving process on that site, but I can't
duplicate it in a stock 2.1.9 environment.

-- 
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