From incib at itu.edu.tr Mon Sep 1 13:35:10 2008 From: incib at itu.edu.tr (=?iso-8859-9?Q?Burcu_=DDnci?=) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:35:10 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] want to slow down the post of server In-Reply-To: <200808311513.m7VFDaAF029330@firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr> References: <200808311513.m7VFDaAF029330@firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr> Message-ID: <004001c90c26$cb1c9b70$6155d250$@edu.tr> hi, i have a list about 36000 member in same domain.when i want to post an email and approve it there is not any problem in mailman server and gateways. but when it start to delivered to my sendmail server,my server load incresase so much and it stop to work properly. what can i do for this problem,i think about to slow down mailman's post, will it work? Thanks, Burcu ?nci From z.szalbot at lcwords.com Mon Sep 1 13:44:01 2008 From: z.szalbot at lcwords.com (Zbigniew Szalbot) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:44:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] want to slow down the post of server In-Reply-To: <004001c90c26$cb1c9b70$6155d250$@edu.tr> References: <200808311513.m7VFDaAF029330@firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr> <004001c90c26$cb1c9b70$6155d250$@edu.tr> Message-ID: <48BBD581.7040907@lcwords.com> Hi, Burcu ?nci: > hi, > > i have a list about 36000 member in same domain.when i want to post an email > and approve it there is not any problem in mailman server and gateways. but > when it start to delivered to my sendmail server,my server load incresase so > much and it stop to work properly. > what can i do for this problem,i think about to slow down mailman's post, > will it work? Have you tried setting SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION in mm_cfg.py and restarting Mailman? Reading Defaults.py is highly recommended as it contains a wealth of settings to tweak Mailman. Thanks! -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.LCWords.com From james at thereidsonline.com Mon Sep 1 14:04:40 2008 From: james at thereidsonline.com (James Reid) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:04:40 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] want to slow down the post of server In-Reply-To: <004001c90c26$cb1c9b70$6155d250$@edu.tr> References: <200808311513.m7VFDaAF029330@firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr> <004001c90c26$cb1c9b70$6155d250$@edu.tr> Message-ID: <028801c90c2a$eaf256c0$c0d70440$@com> Hi Burcu, The best way I have found to throttle the number of messages coming out of mailman is to use something like the QOS service found in Shorewall. This allows you to control how much of the available bandwidth is used going out of your server + prioritise SMTP with other protocols. Regards James. -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+james=thereidsonline.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+james=thereidsonline.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Burcu Inci Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 9:35 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] want to slow down the post of server hi, i have a list about 36000 member in same domain.when i want to post an email and approve it there is not any problem in mailman server and gateways. but when it start to delivered to my sendmail server,my server load incresase so much and it stop to work properly. what can i do for this problem,i think about to slow down mailman's post, will it work? Thanks, Burcu ?nci ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/james%40thereidsonline. com Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 From z.szalbot at lcwords.com Mon Sep 1 14:07:33 2008 From: z.szalbot at lcwords.com (Zbigniew Szalbot) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:07:33 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] want to slow down the post of server In-Reply-To: <028801c90c2a$eaf256c0$c0d70440$@com> References: <200808311513.m7VFDaAF029330@firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr> <004001c90c26$cb1c9b70$6155d250$@edu.tr> <028801c90c2a$eaf256c0$c0d70440$@com> Message-ID: <48BBDB05.1050201@lcwords.com> Hi, James Reid: > The best way I have found to throttle the number of messages coming > out of mailman is to use something like the QOS service found in > Shorewall. > > This allows you to control how much of the available bandwidth is > used going out of your server + prioritise SMTP with other protocols. > But he was referring to his server load increasing so much that it ceases to operate in a stable manner, which throttling bandwidth won't help, or will it? -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.LCWords.com From incib at itu.edu.tr Mon Sep 1 14:15:15 2008 From: incib at itu.edu.tr (=?iso-8859-9?Q?Burcu_=DDnci?=) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:15:15 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] want to slow down the post of server In-Reply-To: <48BBDB05.1050201@lcwords.com> References: <200808311513.m7VFDaAF029330@firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr> <004001c90c26$cb1c9b70$6155d250$@edu.tr> <028801c90c2a$eaf256c0$c0d70440$@com> <48BBDB05.1050201@lcwords.com> Message-ID: <005401c90c2c$64c18bf0$2e44a3d0$@edu.tr> Thanks much, but no problem with my bandwith,my server take mails or mailman post mails properly, Burcu ?NC? -----Original Message----- From: Zbigniew Szalbot [mailto:z.szalbot at lcwords.com] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:08 PM To: James Reid Cc: 'Burcu ?nci'; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] want to slow down the post of server Hi, James Reid: > The best way I have found to throttle the number of messages coming > out of mailman is to use something like the QOS service found in > Shorewall. > > This allows you to control how much of the available bandwidth is > used going out of your server + prioritise SMTP with other protocols. > But he was referring to his server load increasing so much that it ceases to operate in a stable manner, which throttling bandwidth won't help, or will it? -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.LCWords.com From james at thereidsonline.com Mon Sep 1 14:16:30 2008 From: james at thereidsonline.com (James Reid) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:16:30 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] want to slow down the post of server In-Reply-To: <48BBDB05.1050201@lcwords.com> References: <200808311513.m7VFDaAF029330@firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr> <004001c90c26$cb1c9b70$6155d250$@edu.tr> <028801c90c2a$eaf256c0$c0d70440$@com> <48BBDB05.1050201@lcwords.com> Message-ID: <029701c90c2c$91591ac0$b40b5040$@com> I think you could set things up so that mailman talks to sendmail / postfix via tcp, which could then be throttled using shorewall -----Original Message----- From: Zbigniew Szalbot [mailto:z.szalbot at lcwords.com] Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 10:08 PM To: James Reid Cc: 'Burcu ?nci'; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] want to slow down the post of server Hi, James Reid: > The best way I have found to throttle the number of messages coming > out of mailman is to use something like the QOS service found in > Shorewall. > > This allows you to control how much of the available bandwidth is > used going out of your server + prioritise SMTP with other protocols. > But he was referring to his server load increasing so much that it ceases to operate in a stable manner, which throttling bandwidth won't help, or will it? -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.LCWords.com From Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au Tue Sep 2 00:58:37 2008 From: Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au (Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:28:37 +0930 Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly password reminders Message-ID: Hello, Is there any way, besides editing the options.html template file, to completely disable regular/monthly password reminders? According to the list options page, whether or not a list sends out reminders individual subscribers can still change this setting. Regards, Alan Rubin Technician Unix DCS Midrange Services Phone: +61 (08) 8999 6814 Fax: +61 (08) 8999 7493 e-Mail: alan.rubin at nt.gov.au From dandrews at visi.com Tue Sep 2 01:13:34 2008 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:13:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Held Messages Message-ID: Hi: I am running Mailman version 2.1.8. I have most list set to delete held messages after 15 days (last setting on General Settings Page.) However it doesn't seem to be working? Is there something else that has to be done -- like a Cron Job enabled or something? Dave From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 2 01:15:05 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:15:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly password reminders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote: > >Is there any way, besides editing the options.html template file, to completely >disable regular/monthly password reminders? According to the list options page, >whether or not a list sends out reminders individual subscribers can still >change this setting. Granted, it could be more clear, but if you read the description of "Get password reminder email for this list?" on the options page, it says the user can turn off reminders by selecting No. It does not say the the user can get reminders if the list setting is off. In fact, if the list is set to not send reminders, the list is not included in reminders regardless of any list member's setting. Also, A site can disable monthly reminders all together by removing the cron/mailpasswds entry from Mailman's crontab. However, none of this prevents a user from requesting a reminder from the options login page. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au Tue Sep 2 01:17:53 2008 From: Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au (Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:47:53 +0930 Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly password reminders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark, Is that a singular reminder that is requested and not a periodic one (if monthly reminders are set off)? Regards, Alan Rubin Technician Unix DCS Midrange Services Phone: +61 (08) 8999 6814 Fax: +61 (08) 8999 7493 e-Mail: alan.rubin at nt.gov.au Mark Sapiro Sent by: To mailman-users-bounc Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au, es+alan.rubin=nt.go mailman-users at python.org v.au at python.org cc Subject 02/09/2008 08:45 AM Re: [Mailman-Users] monthly password reminders Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote: > >Is there any way, besides editing the options.html template file, to completely >disable regular/monthly password reminders? According to the list options page, >whether or not a list sends out reminders individual subscribers can still >change this setting. Granted, it could be more clear, but if you read the description of "Get password reminder email for this list?" on the options page, it says the user can turn off reminders by selecting No. It does not say the the user can get reminders if the list setting is off. In fact, if the list is set to not send reminders, the list is not included in reminders regardless of any list member's setting. Also, A site can disable monthly reminders all together by removing the cron/mailpasswds entry from Mailman's crontab. However, none of this prevents a user from requesting a reminder from the options login page. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/alan.rubin%40nt.gov.au Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 2 01:27:31 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:27:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Held Messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David Andrews wrote: > >I am running Mailman version 2.1.8. I have most list set to delete >held messages after 15 days (last setting on General Settings >Page.) However it doesn't seem to be working? Is there something >else that has to be done -- like a Cron Job enabled or something? Yes, it relies on cron/checkdbs, but that should run daily unless you have modified (or not installed) Mailman's crontab. In 2.1.8, the following crons should all be run bumpdigests - periodically increment digest volume # checkdbs - send daily moderator request summary and delete old messages disabled - send reminders and disable bouncing users gate_news - gate from news to mail mailpasswds - send monthly password reminders nightly_gzip - gzip the periodig archive .txt files senddigests - send periodic digests -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 2 01:35:11 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:35:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly password reminders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote: > >Is that a singular reminder that is requested and not a periodic one (if monthly >reminders are set off)? If the list's send_reminders is set to No, no periodic reminders are sent for that list regardless of the user's setting on the user options page. If the user clicks the "Remind" button on the options login page (after providing her email address), she will get a one-time reminder regardless of any other settings. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au Tue Sep 2 01:42:54 2008 From: Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au (Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:12:54 +0930 Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly password reminders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark/list, on a different but related tact, what could I alter in the cron script to send out a 'reminder' that the user belongs to the list, but not actually send the password? IT Security is a little antsy about having these passwords floating around through the email system (don't ask). Regards, Alan Rubin Technician Unix DCS Midrange Services Phone: +61 (08) 8999 6814 Fax: +61 (08) 8999 7493 e-Mail: alan.rubin at nt.gov.au Mark Sapiro Sent by: To mailman-users-bounc Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au, es+alan.rubin=nt.go mailman-users at python.org v.au at python.org cc Subject 02/09/2008 09:05 AM Re: [Mailman-Users] monthly password reminders Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote: > >Is that a singular reminder that is requested and not a periodic one (if monthly >reminders are set off)? If the list's send_reminders is set to No, no periodic reminders are sent for that list regardless of the user's setting on the user options page. If the user clicks the "Remind" button on the options login page (after providing her email address), she will get a one-time reminder regardless of any other settings. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/alan.rubin%40nt.gov.au Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 2 03:18:56 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:18:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly password reminders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote: > >on a different but related tact, what could I alter in the cron script to send >out a 'reminder' that the user belongs to the list, but not actually send the >password? IT Security is a little antsy about having these passwords floating >around through the email system (don't ask). The easiest way to do this, although not the prettiest would be to change the lines # treates person at dom.ain the same as PERSON at dom.ain. try: password = mlist.getMemberPassword(member) except Errors.NotAMemberError: # Here's a member with no passwords, which I think was # possible in older versions of Mailman. Log this and # move on. syslog('error', 'password-less member %s for list %s', member, mlist.internal_name()) continue optionsurl = mlist.GetOptionsURL(member) (lines 152-162 in cron/mailpasswds) to # treates person at dom.ain the same as PERSON at dom.ain. password = 'password elided' optionsurl = mlist.GetOptionsURL(member) or some such. You may also wish to make an edited version of the cronpass.txt template that explains what's going on, but note this must be a 'site' template as monthly password reminders don't come from a list. See . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jeffrey at goldmark.org Tue Sep 2 05:11:22 2008 From: jeffrey at goldmark.org (Jeffrey Goldberg) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:11:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly password reminders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sep 1, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote: > IT Security is a little antsy about having these passwords floating > around through the email system (don't ask). Would they be willing to accept these passwords being mailed around if you were to disable individuals' ability to set their own password? That is, if the only passwords that mailman ever mailed were the mailman generated ones, would they be happier with those? And is there a way to prevent people from using their own passwords? Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 2 06:04:32 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:04:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly password reminders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > >And is there a way to prevent people from using their own passwords? You would have to disable the user set password in Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py and Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py and disable the password change in Mailman/Cgi/options.py. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at shub-internet.org Tue Sep 2 08:00:58 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 01:00:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] want to slow down the post of server In-Reply-To: <004001c90c26$cb1c9b70$6155d250$@edu.tr> References: <200808311513.m7VFDaAF029330@firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr> <004001c90c26$cb1c9b70$6155d250$@edu.tr> Message-ID: On 9/1/08, Burcu I?nci wrote: > what can i do for this problem,i think about to slow down mailman's post, > will it work? Go to the Mailman FAQ wiki page at and search for "throttle". -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From eharvey at lyricsemi.com Mon Sep 1 16:08:33 2008 From: eharvey at lyricsemi.com (Edward Ned Harvey) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:08:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Whitelisting & Blacklisting domains Message-ID: <003d01c90c3c$38e7b490$aab71db0$@com> I am configuring a company private mailman server, where we want people inside the company to be able to subscribe and unsubscribe freely... And block any attempts from anyone outside the company. Is there some whitelisting/blacklisting/pattern matching capability, to automatically accept subscriptions from within the company and deny from outside? From barry at list.org Tue Sep 2 15:49:26 2008 From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:49:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tracker migration to Launchpad Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 We're planning on migrating the current SourceForge trackers for the Mailman project to Launchpad, this Thursday at 1200 UTC. Expect the conversion to take several hours. The SF trackers will still be available during the conversion, though I will try to remove as much write access to them as possible. Please be aware that any changes that occur to SF issues during the conversion will be lost. I'll send another announcement when the conversion is complete. Cheers, - -Barry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEUEARECAAYFAki9RGYACgkQ2YZpQepbvXHVzgCYpzfBr9n7WwGqoBRyIRXiqTA2 4wCeLCg5VfMH79n6JJh23Cu+UxccGbk= =UBTV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 2 16:58:08 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:58:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Whitelisting & Blacklisting domains In-Reply-To: <003d01c90c3c$38e7b490$aab71db0$@com> Message-ID: Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >I am configuring a company private mailman server, where we want people >inside the company to be able to subscribe and unsubscribe freely... And >block any attempts from anyone outside the company. > >Is there some whitelisting/blacklisting/pattern matching capability, to >automatically accept subscriptions from within the company and deny from >outside? You can use the ban_list to block subscription from all but your domain. See . Mailman 2.2 will have an auto approval feature which would allow you to require approval for subscriptions and exempt your domain from the requirement, but there is as yet no schedule for the release of 2.2, but the current branch at at rev 1006 should be quite usable except for languages other than English. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Jan at Bytesmiths.com Wed Sep 3 01:17:20 2008 From: Jan at Bytesmiths.com (Jan Steinman) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:17:20 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Whitelisting & Blacklisting domains In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BF0F277-78BE-4766-9E6E-264710B27FFC@Bytesmiths.com> > From: "Edward Ned Harvey" > > I am configuring a company private mailman server, where we want > people > inside the company to be able to subscribe and unsubscribe freely... > And > block any attempts from anyone outside the company. > > Is there some whitelisting/blacklisting/pattern matching capability, > to > automatically accept subscriptions from within the company and deny > from > outside? Sounds like a firewall issue. Run Mailman on a separate port, and block it outside the firewall. :::: A virus has marked this email as being virus-free! :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com :::: From jaionea at yahoo.com Wed Sep 3 19:06:27 2008 From: jaionea at yahoo.com (Jaione Arrieta) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems Message-ID: <904358.70628.qm@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi I have a mailing list, I?m the administrator that is I?m a user and have no idea of programming, and I used to have the same mailing list? in mailman?but with?an older version and worked just fine and I was very happy with it but had to change servers and my hosting service upload the version available a month ago which is the version 2.1.9.cp2 and I?m having many problems with this version _postings take veryyyyy long time to arrived if they do, because some postings arrive to some members and others to other members and some they don?t arrive to anybody even if they get to the archive, and if there is an important subject to discuss there?s no way to make it interesting cause many people don?t get the messages, and even if they send a message it doesn?t arrive to many people, an I need the mailing list?? to be fast an ?active as it was before and I?m having lot?s of complains... _all of the sudden all the memebers for example the "m" members?get unsuscribe at the same time and I put them back and then all the members that start with "p" get unsuscribe at the same time and I don?t have time to check all the time all the members usually I have to do it two or three times a day I?m really not very happy with this version, is there a way to go back to an older version ? or what can I do to make it work just fine with no problems? 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Reg?strate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ From z.szalbot at lcwords.com Wed Sep 3 19:18:38 2008 From: z.szalbot at lcwords.com (Zbigniew Szalbot) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:18:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems In-Reply-To: <904358.70628.qm@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <904358.70628.qm@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48BEC6EE.3080709@lcwords.com> Hi Jaione, Jaione Arrieta: > Hi I have a mailing list, I?m the administrator that is I?m a user > and have no idea of programming, and I used to have the same mailing > list in mailman but with an older version and worked just fine and I > was very happy with it but had to change servers and my hosting > service upload the version available a month ago which is the version > 2.1.9.cp2 and I?m having many problems with this version _postings > take veryyyyy long time to arrived if they do, because some postings > arrive to some members and others to other members and some they > don?t arrive to anybody even if they get to the archive, and if there > is an important subject to discuss there?s no way to make it > interesting cause many people don?t get the messages, and even if > they send a message it doesn?t arrive to many people, an I need the > mailing list to be fast an active as it was before and I?m having > lot?s of complains... _all of the sudden all the memebers for example > the "m" members get unsuscribe at the same time and I put them back > and then all the members that start with "p" get unsuscribe at the > same time and I don?t have time to check all the time all the members > usually I have to do it two or three times a day I?m really not very > happy with this version, is there a way to go back to an older > version ? or what can I do to make it work just fine with no > problems? I am sure others will have better ideas but it seems to me you may want to use a different provider which offers good mailman support so that you do not have to worry about underlying details - i.e. it is their responsibility to make mailman work as expected. If you check the archives, you will be able to find people on this list who offer such services. -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.LCWords.com From gaspard at teti.ch Wed Sep 3 10:08:42 2008 From: gaspard at teti.ch (Gaspard Bucher) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:08:42 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman silently fails Message-ID: <2972A88B-CEFE-43F7-9ACC-8FDD9BC108F6@teti.ch> Hi ! I am having troubles with a previously working installation of mailman: the messages sent to the list are eaten and nothing happens: nothing in the logs, nothing sent, no trace in the archives. I tested the exim4 configuration by replacing the /var/lib/mailman/ mail/mailman binary by a custom script capturing parameters and STDIN: parameters: ["post", "test-news"] stdin content: "From SENDER EMAIL Mon Sep 01 22:47:05 2008\nReceived: from 144.71.3.213.cust.bluewin.ch ([213.3.71.144] helo=[10.0.0.13])\n \tby teti.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.63)\n\t(envelope-from ) \n\tid 1KaGIj-0004ug-QV\n\tfor LIST EMAIL; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:47:05 +0200\nMessage-Id: <6F858790-A9AD-4849-8C21-A98E56B8AA7A at example.com> \nFrom: Gaspard Bucher \nTo: LIST EMAIL\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed\nContent-Transfer- Encoding: 7bit\nMime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926)\nSubject: test5\nDate: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:52:45 +0200\nX-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926)\n\ncinq\t\n\n" I cannot even find a log information. Logs are empty: -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 308 2008-09-01 23:01 error -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 0 2008-09-01 06:27 post -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 0 2008-09-02 06:27 qrunner -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 0 2008-09-01 06:27 qrunner.1 -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 0 2008-09-02 06:27 smtp -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 0 2008-09-01 06:27 smtp.1 -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 0 2008-09-02 06:27 smtp-failure -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 0 2008-09-01 06:27 smtp-failure.1 -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 76 2008-09-01 22:27 subscribe the error log contains the following: Sep 01 22:25:23 2008 (17281) couldn't load config file /var/lib/ mailman/lists/test-news/config.pck invalid load key, 'm'. Sep 01 22:25:23 2008 (17281) fixing corrupt config file, using: /var/ lib/mailman/lists/test-news/config.pck.last Sep 01 23:01:19 2008 post(19291): post script, list not found: cosoasdf related to some things I tried to see what was happening. Any clue would be greatly welcome, I'm totally lost here. Gaspard System: 2.6.18-xenU64 debian etch mailman: Package: mailman State: installed Automatically installed: no Version: 1:2.1.9-7 From smalugin at dcbe.org Tue Sep 2 15:50:47 2008 From: smalugin at dcbe.org (Scott Malugin) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:50:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] The results of your email commands Message-ID: <48BCFE67.CB24.00D3.0@dcbe.org> I make the change to the cmd_subscribe.py else: # Everything is a-ok res.respond = 0 I still get the message "The results of your email commands" is there something else I'm missing Scott Scott E. Malugin A+ Certified NetWork+ Certified Dickson County Board of Education Computer Support Voice # 615-740-5902 Fax # 615-740-5904 E-Mail : smalugin at dcbe.org LEGAL CONFIDENTIAL: The information in this e-mail and in any attachment may contain information which is legally privileged and is the property of the Dickson County Board of Education. It is intended only for the attention and use of the named recipient. 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From eharvey at lyricsemi.com Wed Sep 3 15:36:48 2008 From: eharvey at lyricsemi.com (Edward Ned Harvey) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:36:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Whitelisting & Blacklisting domains In-Reply-To: <2BF0F277-78BE-4766-9E6E-264710B27FFC@Bytesmiths.com> References: <2BF0F277-78BE-4766-9E6E-264710B27FFC@Bytesmiths.com> Message-ID: <007001c90dca$1dc27d50$594777f0$@com> > > I am configuring a company private mailman server, where we want > > people > > inside the company to be able to subscribe and unsubscribe freely... > > And > > block any attempts from anyone outside the company. > > > > Is there some whitelisting/blacklisting/pattern matching capability, > > to > > automatically accept subscriptions from within the company and deny > > from > > outside? > > Sounds like a firewall issue. Run Mailman on a separate port, and > block it outside the firewall. > Our primary mailserver is outside the firewall, so if I block all inbound port 25, then my own users can't email the list. Otherwise the firewall would be a good solution. Now that you mention it, I think there will be some good along these lines. I can configure our firewall to only allow port 25 from a specific IP. And I think I can configure exim to only allow email "From: " a specific domain. It doesn't have to be inside of Mailman, as I was previously thinking. Then I can configure Mailman as loosey-goosey as possible, and rely on the underlying stuff instead. Thanks, ttyl... From eharvey at lyricsemi.com Wed Sep 3 15:38:04 2008 From: eharvey at lyricsemi.com (Edward Ned Harvey) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:38:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Whitelisting & Blacklisting domains In-Reply-To: References: <003d01c90c3c$38e7b490$aab71db0$@com> Message-ID: <007201c90dca$4b4137d0$e1c3a770$@com> Thanks, that's just what I was looking for. ;-) Now I'm just struggling with stupid python regular expressions. ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:58 AM > To: Edward Ned Harvey; mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Whitelisting & Blacklisting domains > > Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > >I am configuring a company private mailman server, where we want > people > >inside the company to be able to subscribe and unsubscribe freely... > And > >block any attempts from anyone outside the company. > > > >Is there some whitelisting/blacklisting/pattern matching capability, > to > >automatically accept subscriptions from within the company and deny > from > >outside? > > > You can use the ban_list to block subscription from all but your > domain. See > August/063139.html>. > > Mailman 2.2 will have an auto approval feature which would allow you to > require approval for subscriptions and exempt your domain from the > requirement, but there is as yet no schedule for the release of 2.2, > but the current branch at > at rev 1006 > should be quite usable except for languages other than English. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 3 23:25:12 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:25:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems In-Reply-To: <48BEC6EE.3080709@lcwords.com> Message-ID: Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > >If you check the archives, you will be able to find people on this list >who offer such services. Also see . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 3 23:33:19 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:33:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] The results of your email commands In-Reply-To: <48BCFE67.CB24.00D3.0@dcbe.org> Message-ID: Scott Malugin wrote: >I make the change to the cmd_subscribe.py > >else: > # Everything is a-ok > res.respond = 0 > >I still get the message "The results of your email commands" >is there something else I'm missing That should work for mail to list-subscribe at ... or list-join at ... I think it may only work for a subscribe command sent to list-request at ... if there are no other lines in the message body. Also, did you restart Mailman after making the change? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Thu Sep 4 00:13:28 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:13:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Karen Windus wrote: >Hi everyone, >My name is Karen and I've just set up a Virtual Dedicated Linux server via >Godaddy. I want to run Mailman for a litserv community that has decided to >flee one of the many VT listservs they have so kindly hosted over the years. > The list has gone down too many times and the feeling is we'd like a >listserv under our own control. Hi Karen, Please don't hijack existing threads for unrelated topics. Compose a new mail rather than replying to an old one. Listserv(r) is a registered trademark. It refers to a specific software product which is not Mailman. Please do not use "listserv" to refer to Mailman or a Mailman list . As far as your specific questions are concerned, can you access the Mailman admin web interface via a URL like or maybe . If so, we can probably help you with questions regarding this web interface. For questions regarding the control panel interface, see and for a discussion of our limitations in helping with control panels. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Thu Sep 4 02:54:57 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:54:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman silently fails In-Reply-To: <2972A88B-CEFE-43F7-9ACC-8FDD9BC108F6@teti.ch> Message-ID: Gaspard Bucher wrote: > >I am having troubles with a previously working installation of >mailman: the messages sent to the list are eaten and nothing happens: >nothing in the logs, nothing sent, no trace in the archives. > >I tested the exim4 configuration by replacing the /var/lib/mailman/ >mail/mailman binary by a custom script capturing parameters and STDIN: >parameters: ["post", "test-news"] > >stdin content: "From SENDER EMAIL Mon Sep 01 22:47:05 2008\nReceived: >from 144.71.3.213.cust.bluewin.ch ([213.3.71.144] helo=[10.0.0.13])\n >\tby teti.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.63)\n\t(envelope-from ) >\n\tid 1KaGIj-0004ug-QV\n\tfor LIST EMAIL; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:47:05 >+0200\nMessage-Id: <6F858790-A9AD-4849-8C21-A98E56B8AA7A at example.com> >\nFrom: Gaspard Bucher \nTo: LIST EMAIL\nContent-Type: >text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed\nContent-Transfer- >Encoding: 7bit\nMime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework >v926)\nSubject: test5\nDate: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:52:45 +0200\nX-Mailer: >Apple Mail (2.926)\n\ncinq\t\n\n" OK, so exim is working. This should result in the message being added to the appropriate Mailman queue. Is Mailman (the qrunners) running to process the queues? >I cannot even find a log information. Logs are empty: >-rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 308 2008-09-01 23:01 error >-rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 0 2008-09-01 06:27 post >-rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 0 2008-09-02 06:27 qrunner >-rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 0 2008-09-01 06:27 qrunner.1 >-rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 0 2008-09-02 06:27 smtp >-rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 0 2008-09-01 06:27 smtp.1 >-rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 0 2008-09-02 06:27 smtp-failure >-rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 0 2008-09-01 06:27 smtp-failure.1 >-rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 76 2008-09-01 22:27 subscribe > >the error log contains the following: > >Sep 01 22:25:23 2008 (17281) couldn't load config file /var/lib/ >mailman/lists/test-news/config.pck >invalid load key, 'm'. >Sep 01 22:25:23 2008 (17281) fixing corrupt config file, using: /var/ >lib/mailman/lists/test-news/config.pck.last >Sep 01 23:01:19 2008 post(19291): post script, list not found: cosoasdf > >related to some things I tried to see what was happening. Those are possibly problems, but not enough to explain problems with several messages. >Any clue would be greatly welcome, I'm totally lost here. Look in Mailman's qfiles. I suspect you'll see the messages in qfiles/in/ indicating that at least IncomingRunner is not running. See . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From fmouse-mailman at fmp.com Thu Sep 4 03:12:40 2008 From: fmouse-mailman at fmp.com (Lindsay Haisley) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:12:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reminder notices come from "mailman" list Message-ID: <1220490760.6116.97.camel@vishnu.fmp.com> I have a number of Mailman (2.1.9) lists configured on a couple of different servers, all of which are configured to send out monthly password reminders. The URL and designated email hostname for these lists are defined in add_virtualhost calls in mm_cfg.py, and the lists work as expected in most respects. Both the list email addresses and the URLs for each list reference virtual mail and web servers. There's one catch. Monthly password reminders go out to subscribers to each list, from "mailman-owner@", not a problem in and of itself, however the text of each of these messages suggest mailing to "mailman-request@" and "mailman-owner@. The "mailman" list is the system mailman list which isn't addressable via virtual domains, only by addressing mailman at the primary host name. I can configure a "mailman" alias for each virtual mail domain, however mail to "mailman-request" at this domain sends back information on the mailman list, not the list to which the person is subscribed, and mail to "mailman-owner" comes to me, rather than the list owner as it should. A specific example: I have a list addressed as "players at autoharp.org" which sends out a monthly reminder which comes from "mailman-owner at autoharp.org". The message contains the text: "For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the list (for example, mailman-request at autoharp.org) ..." and "If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to mailman-owner at autoharp.org." These addresses should be "players-request at autoharp.org" and "players-owner at autoharp.org". I host these lists commercially and don't want to have to deal with questions which should go to the list admins. Looking at the code, these addresses appear to rely on the singular variable MAILMAN_SITE_LIST which is site-wide and can't be set per-list. Is there any way to fix this? -- Lindsay Haisley | "In an open world, | PGP public key FMP Computer Services | who needs Windows | available at 512-259-1190 | or Gates" | http://pubkeys.fmp.com http://www.fmp.com | | From mark at msapiro.net Thu Sep 4 03:58:06 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:58:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reminder notices come from "mailman" list In-Reply-To: <1220490760.6116.97.camel@vishnu.fmp.com> Message-ID: Lindsay Haisley wrote: > >There's one catch. Monthly password reminders go out to subscribers to >each list, from "mailman-owner@", not a problem in and of >itself, however the text of each of these messages suggest mailing to >"mailman-request@" and "mailman-owner@. The >"mailman" list is the system mailman list which isn't addressable via >virtual domains, only by addressing mailman at the primary host name. I >can configure a "mailman" alias for each virtual mail domain, however >mail to "mailman-request" at this domain sends back information on the >mailman list, not the list to which the person is subscribed, and mail >to "mailman-owner" comes to me, rather than the list owner as it should. Except if a user is subscribed to more than one list in a domain. she gets one reminder covering all lists. Thus, it is not appropriate to send it from list1 when it contains reminders for list1, list2, ... That's why it comes from the site list. >Is there any way to fix this? These things are set in cron/mailpasswds. You could modify that code, but it's not straightforward. Perhaps a better way to accomplish what you want is to make a site specific edited version of templates//cronpass.txt per , and just eliminate the reference to "(for example, %(exreq)s)" and replace "%(owner)s" with a reference to "the -owner address of the list". Note that this must be a 'site' template and not a 'list' or 'domain' template because it is a 'site' message. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From rclemings at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 04:04:10 2008 From: rclemings at gmail.com (Russell Clemings) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:04:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems Message-ID: If I recall correctly, the default cPanel installation has a really tight limit on the number of messages that can be sent from your server in a given amount of time. Far too tight for a Mailman list of any size. I recall running into this myself once. I guess it's to protect you in case you have a PHP script or something that gets hijacked by a spammer. Unfortunately, I can't find the setting to change it, but your host (if competent) should be able to help. I'm wondering it the second issue (unsubscribes) might not have something to do with them hitting the bounce ceiling. However, I'm not sure why that would affect only the m's one day and the p's another. rac > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jaione Arrieta > To: Mailman-Users at python.org > Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:06:27 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems > Hi > I have a mailing list, I?m the administrator that is I?m a user and have no > idea of programming, and I used to have the same mailing list in > mailman but with an older version and worked just fine and I was very happy > with it but had to change servers and my hosting service upload the version > available a month ago which is the version 2.1.9.cp2 and I?m having many > problems with this version > _postings take veryyyyy long time to arrived if they do, because some > postings arrive to some members and others to other members and some they > don?t arrive to anybody even if they get to the archive, and if there is an > important subject to discuss there?s no way to make it interesting cause > many people don?t get the messages, and even if they send a message it > doesn?t arrive to many people, an I need the mailing list to be fast an > active as it was before and I?m having lot?s of complains... > _all of the sudden all the memebers for example the "m" members get > unsuscribe at the same time and I put them back and then all the members > that start with "p" get unsuscribe at the same time and I don?t have time to > check all the time all the members usually I have to do it two or three > times a day > I?m really not very happy with this version, is there a way to go back to > an older version ? or what can I do to make it work just fine with no > problems? > > Thanks > JAG > > __________________________________________________ > Correo Yahoo! > Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ?gratis! > Reg?strate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ > > > From fmouse-mailman at fmp.com Thu Sep 4 04:58:26 2008 From: fmouse-mailman at fmp.com (Lindsay Haisley) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:58:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reminder notices come from "mailman" list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1220497106.6116.111.camel@vishnu.fmp.com> On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 18:58 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > That's why it comes from the site list. Which is useless if the lists on the site have no relationship to each other, nor any relationship to me, as the administrator of a commercial hosting service. > >Is there any way to fix this? > > > These things are set in cron/mailpasswds. You could modify that code, > but it's not straightforward. You're right. I looked. > Perhaps a better way to accomplish what you want is to make a site > specific edited version of templates//cronpass.txt per > , and just eliminate the reference to > "(for example, %(exreq)s)" and replace "%(owner)s" with a reference to > "the -owner address of the list". > > Note that this must be a 'site' template and not a 'list' or 'domain' > template because it is a 'site' message. This is probably as good an idea as there is. Where does one find, or place "list" templates so as distinguish them from "site" templates? -- Lindsay Haisley | "In an open world, | PGP public key FMP Computer Services | who needs Windows | available at 512-259-1190 | or Gates" | http://pubkeys.fmp.com http://www.fmp.com | | From kwindus at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 23:40:32 2008 From: kwindus at gmail.com (Karen Windus) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:40:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems In-Reply-To: References: <48BEC6EE.3080709@lcwords.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, My name is Karen and I've just set up a Virtual Dedicated Linux server via Godaddy. I want to run Mailman for a litserv community that has decided to flee one of the many VT listservs they have so kindly hosted over the years. The list has gone down too many times and the feeling is we'd like a listserv under our own control. So, here's one of my first questions. Since I've never administrated a listserv before and don't have any experience with Mailman, is there anyone else on this list who is also using Godaddy's Virtual server hosting plan who can give me some pointers? I called GoDaddy yesterday and I was told that unless I pay for an Assisted Service Plan (which is expensive!!!!!), they don't offer support for Mailman. Even though one can enable it via their Simple Control Panel and set up a list via that control panel. However the list I set up only allowed me to name it thus far. I didn't see a place where I could add email addresses to start testing my first list with a few other people. And when I used Putty to SSH into my new server, I couldn't determine where Mailman's install directory was. Any ideas? A little bit of background on me...I'm a web developer and I've programmed in Python before. I'm familiar with PHP, MySQL, TCL, Javascript, etc. However, not a lot of Linux or SysAdmin experience aside from navigating the file structure and unpacking and archiving things. I'm a quick learner though and excited about learning Linux and Mailman. I can read manuals and can figure out what commands I need to issue on the cmd line once I figure out what I need to do configuration wise (if anything) with GoDaddy. If someone has written any documentation out there on GoDaddy's set up, Simple Control Panel (like should I just upgrade to Plex for $10 more a month?) and Mailman, aside from the scant info I found in their Help area (which all deals with the Plex control panael...not the Simple Control Panel), then I'd be grateful for a link or any advice at all. Thanks! Karen On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > > > >If you check the archives, you will be able to find people on this list > >who offer such services. > > > Also see . > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kwindus%40gmail.com > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > From brian at emwd.com Thu Sep 4 06:53:01 2008 From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:53:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems In-Reply-To: References: <48BEC6EE.3080709@lcwords.com> Message-ID: <07fc01c90e4a$1dcdb8c0$59692a40$@com> > Hi everyone, > My name is Karen and I've just set up a Virtual Dedicated Linux server > via > Godaddy. I want to run Mailman for a litserv community that has > decided to > flee one of the many VT listservs they have so kindly hosted over the > years. > The list has gone down too many times and the feeling is we'd like a > listserv under our own control. > > So, here's one of my first questions. Since I've never administrated a > listserv before and don't have any experience with Mailman, is there > anyone > else on this list who is also using Godaddy's Virtual server hosting > plan > who can give me some pointers? I called GoDaddy yesterday and I was > told > that unless I pay for an Assisted Service Plan (which is > expensive!!!!!), > they don't offer support for Mailman. Even though one can enable it > via > their Simple Control Panel and set up a list via that control panel. > However the list I set up only allowed me to name it thus far. I > didn't > see a place where I could add email addresses to start testing my first > list > with a few other people. You would typically log into the list administration interface at http://yourdomain.com/mailman/admin/listname > And when I used Putty to SSH into my new server, I couldn't determine > where > Mailman's install directory was. Any ideas? A little bit of > background on > me...I'm a web developer and I've programmed in Python before. I'm > familiar > with PHP, MySQL, TCL, Javascript, etc. However, not a lot of Linux or > SysAdmin experience aside from navigating the file structure and > unpacking > and archiving things. Try using something like "locate qrunner" via the command line. > > I'm a quick learner though and excited about learning Linux and > Mailman. I > can read manuals and can figure out what commands I need to issue on > the cmd > line once I figure out what I need to do configuration wise (if > anything) > with GoDaddy. If someone has written any documentation out there on > GoDaddy's set up, Simple Control Panel (like should I just upgrade to > Plex > for $10 more a month?) and Mailman, aside from the scant info I found > in > their Help area (which all deals with the Plex control panael...not the > Simple Control Panel), then I'd be grateful for a link or any advice at > all. This is a list that supports mailman, not one that tells you how to use the services of a host (Godaddy) who is not willing to support this wonderful software. It seems like you are going through a lot just to run one(?) list. You might want to check us out at http://emwd.com/mailman.html. We are one hosting company that is willing to answer your questions regarding the use of mailman without asking you to pay more. Regards, Brian -------------------------------------- EMWD.com - 'Powered by Techies' Blog.emwd.com - "Curious comments from a web hosting techie" From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Sep 4 06:55:37 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:55:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reminder notices come from "mailman" list In-Reply-To: <1220497106.6116.111.camel@vishnu.fmp.com> References: <1220497106.6116.111.camel@vishnu.fmp.com> Message-ID: At 9:58 PM -0500 9/3/08, Lindsay Haisley wrote: >> That's why it comes from the site list. > > Which is useless if the lists on the site have no relationship to each > other, nor any relationship to me, as the administrator of a commercial > hosting service. That's one of the reasons why we're going to be getting rid of this process in the future, and instead just let users get their password reset on demand, and sent to them by e-mail when they reset it. But we're not there yet. >> These things are set in cron/mailpasswds. You could modify that code, >> but it's not straightforward. > > You're right. I looked. Of course, you could always just turn off this feature entirely. If the passwords don't get sent out on a monthly basis, then the site list problem goes away, right? >> Note that this must be a 'site' template and not a 'list' or 'domain' >> template because it is a 'site' message. > > This is probably as good an idea as there is. Where does one find, or > place "list" templates so as distinguish them from "site" templates? See FAQ 4.48 at . -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Sep 4 07:00:14 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:00:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems In-Reply-To: <07fc01c90e4a$1dcdb8c0$59692a40$@com> References: <48BEC6EE.3080709@lcwords.com> <07fc01c90e4a$1dcdb8c0$59692a40$@com> Message-ID: At 12:53 AM -0400 9/4/08, Brian Carpenter wrote: > It seems like you are going through a lot just to run one(?) list. You might > want to check us out at http://emwd.com/mailman.html. We are one hosting > company that is willing to answer your questions regarding the use of > mailman without asking you to pay more. And I will add that EMWD seems to be the only Mailman hosting company I know of that actively participates on this list, which I think speaks well for them. I can't say anything more about them because I do not personally use their services, but they do have a good reputation in my book. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brian at emwd.com Thu Sep 4 06:04:21 2008 From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:04:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07bf01c90e43$510f1370$f32d3a50$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org [mailto:mailman- > users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Russell Clemings > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:04 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems > > If I recall correctly, the default cPanel installation has a really > tight > limit on the number of messages that can be sent from your server in a > given > amount of time. Far too tight for a Mailman list of any size. I recall > running into this myself once. I guess it's to protect you in case you > have > a PHP script or something that gets hijacked by a spammer. > Unfortunately, I > can't find the setting to change it, but your host (if competent) > should be > able to help. A default installation of cPanel doesn't limit the number of messages an account can send out per hour. This setting is set by the server admin via WHM. It can easily be changed by the hosting company. Since we fully support Mailman, we don't impose such limits on our clients, even though we run cpanel on our servers. Regards, Brian -------------------------------------- EMWD.com - 'Powered by Techies' Blog.emwd.com - "Curious comments from a web hosting techie" From cris at tompkinsagainstwar.org Thu Sep 4 21:19:24 2008 From: cris at tompkinsagainstwar.org (Cris McConkey) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:19:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems In-Reply-To: References: <48BEC6EE.3080709@lcwords.com> <07fc01c90e4a$1dcdb8c0$59692a40$@com> Message-ID: <48C034BC.8010701@tompkinsagainstwar.org> I'd like to report that Dreamhost did respond to my request and has now installed a patch so that the list exclude function is now working for lists in the same domain. This is great. Now, folks don't receive duplicate messages when the same message is sent to more than one list on the domain. I've been waiting for the capability for so long. Dreamhost has been good for mailman lists. I am happy that I don't have to do everything myself. --Cris Brad Knowles wrote: > At 12:53 AM -0400 9/4/08, Brian Carpenter wrote: > >> It seems like you are going through a lot just to run one(?) list. >> You might >> want to check us out at http://emwd.com/mailman.html. We are one >> hosting >> company that is willing to answer your questions regarding the use of >> mailman without asking you to pay more. > > And I will add that EMWD seems to be the only Mailman hosting company > I know of that actively participates on this list, which I think > speaks well for them. > > I can't say anything more about them because I do not personally use > their services, but they do have a good reputation in my book. > -- Visit Tompkins County & Ithaca Against the War, weblog for Tompkins County War resisters tompkinsagainstwar.org Subscribe to community event calendar with iCal, Lightning or Sunbird. From Jan at Bytesmiths.com Fri Sep 5 01:24:26 2008 From: Jan at Bytesmiths.com (Jan Steinman) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:24:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <571AE243-6BCD-4A28-A7D7-CE5830AD983C@Bytesmiths.com> > From: Brad Knowles > > At 12:53 AM -0400 9/4/08, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> It seems like you are going through a lot just to run one(?) list. >> You might >> want to check us out at http://emwd.com/mailman.html. We are one >> hosting >> company that is willing to answer your questions regarding the use of >> mailman without asking you to pay more. > > And I will add that EMWD seems to be the only Mailman hosting > company I know of that actively participates on this list, which I > think speaks well for them. You mean "the only Mailman hosting company of significant size." I'm a purposely-small service provider that includes Mailman and Wikipedia in my website hosting. I specialize in artists and non- profits. (Demographic selected for their vast financial resources, ripe for the tapping... NOT! :-) You might discover there are a lot of "lurkers" on this list who are "hosting" in the broadest sense of the word. :::: Jan Steinman 250.653.2024 :::: :::: Bytesmiths Artists' Services :::: From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Sep 5 01:48:42 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:48:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems In-Reply-To: <571AE243-6BCD-4A28-A7D7-CE5830AD983C@Bytesmiths.com> References: <571AE243-6BCD-4A28-A7D7-CE5830AD983C@Bytesmiths.com> Message-ID: <48C073DA.8080001@shub-internet.org> Jan Steinman wrote: >> And I will add that EMWD seems to be the only Mailman hosting company >> I know of that actively participates on this list, which I think >> speaks well for them. > > You mean "the only Mailman hosting company of significant size." I did say "... that I know of ...". ;-) > I'm a purposely-small service provider that includes Mailman and > Wikipedia in my website hosting. I specialize in artists and > non-profits. (Demographic selected for their vast financial resources, > ripe for the tapping... NOT! :-) > > You might discover there are a lot of "lurkers" on this list who are > "hosting" in the broadest sense of the word. Indeed, I hope there are. And I hope more of them come out and identify themselves (as you have done here), because I honestly was only aware of the one company/group in this space which was actively participating in this mailing list. The more of you guys that come out and actively participate in the list, and try to help people resolve issues even if they're not your customers or potential customers for you, the better the overall community will be. And, hopefully, the more customers you will be able to draw to your respective services, in part because you'll have people like me who can stick their hand up and say things like: Yeah, I've heard of these guys before, they actively participate in the list, and they seem to be pretty good guys. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brian at emwd.com Fri Sep 5 02:32:29 2008 From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:32:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] many problems In-Reply-To: <48C073DA.8080001@shub-internet.org> References: <571AE243-6BCD-4A28-A7D7-CE5830AD983C@Bytesmiths.com> <48C073DA.8080001@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <05dd01c90eee$e28a2780$a79e7680$@com> > Jan Steinman wrote: > > >> And I will add that EMWD seems to be the only Mailman hosting > company > >> I know of that actively participates on this list, which I think > >> speaks well for them. > > > > You mean "the only Mailman hosting company of significant size." > > I did say "... that I know of ...". ;-) > > > I'm a purposely-small service provider that includes Mailman and > > Wikipedia in my website hosting. I specialize in artists and > > non-profits. (Demographic selected for their vast financial > resources, > > ripe for the tapping... NOT! :-) > > > > You might discover there are a lot of "lurkers" on this list who are > > "hosting" in the broadest sense of the word. That may be so but in general the hosting industry has taken a bad attitude (or just plain old indifference) of sorts towards mailman users, which we make it clear we do not participate in. Hence our active participation (at least sometimes) on this list in supporting and promoting mailman. Regards, Brian -------------------------------------- EMWD.com - 'Powered by Techies' Blog.emwd.com - "Curious comments from a web hosting techie" From nitin.bhadauria at tetrain.com Fri Sep 5 13:56:31 2008 From: nitin.bhadauria at tetrain.com (Nitin Bhadauria) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:26:31 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman is not sending mail to local domain address Message-ID: <48C11E6F.3020904@tetrain.com> Hello, One of my list is not sending mails to my local mail server users ..... I search over the postfix maillog but i didn't find any thing but in mailman logs..... logs/smtp-failure Sep 05 16:19:36 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1: Server not connected Sep 05 16:19:36 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1: Server not connected Sep 05 16:19:36 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1: Server not connected Sep 05 16:19:36 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1: Server not connected and after some time....... Sep 05 17:04:27 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1: (104, 'Connection reset by peer') Sep 05 17:04:27 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1: (104, 'Connection reset by peer') Sep 05 17:04:27 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1: (104, 'Connection reset by peer') Sep 05 17:04:27 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1: (104, 'Connection reset by peer') and still my other list's are working fine need some help ...... From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 5 17:57:43 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:57:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman is not sending mail to local domain address In-Reply-To: <48C11E6F.3020904@tetrain.com> Message-ID: Nitin Bhadauria wrote: > >One of my list is not sending mails to my local mail server users ..... > >I search over the postfix maillog but i didn't find any thing but in >mailman logs..... > >logs/smtp-failure > >Sep 05 16:19:36 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with >code -1: Server not connected >Sep 05 16:19:36 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with >code -1: Server not connected >Sep 05 16:19:36 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with >code -1: Server not connected >Sep 05 16:19:36 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with >code -1: Server not connected > >and after some time....... > >Sep 05 17:04:27 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with >code -1: (104, 'Connection reset by peer') >Sep 05 17:04:27 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with >code -1: (104, 'Connection reset by peer') >Sep 05 17:04:27 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with >code -1: (104, 'Connection reset by peer') >Sep 05 17:04:27 2008 (21542) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with >code -1: (104, 'Connection reset by peer') > >and still my other list's are working fine need some help ...... It seems this has to be an MTA issue of some kind as Mailman always delivers via the same MTA regardless of recipient address. This defaults to localhost, port 25 but may be changed by setting SMTPHOST and/or SMTPPORT in mm_cfg.py. For some reason, it appears the MTA is not responding properly to the RCPT TO: your local user. See the FAQ articles at and for help debugging this. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jaionea at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 19:33:32 2008 From: jaionea at yahoo.com (Jaione Arrieta) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rv: many problems Message-ID: <406718.98832.qm@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-480345227-1220636012=:98832" --0-480345227-1220636012=:98832 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi=0AThank you for the answers and yes the problem is wit= h the server that doesn=C2=B4t allow more than 400 mails an hour!!!! and my= list has 500 members...., I just changed servers a month ago=C2=A0and sinc= e the beginning the mailing list wasn=C2=B4t working well and every time I = contacted them told me that the problem wasn=C2=B4t the server....=C2=A0and= these guys kept that issue from me all the time and=C2=A0I just=C2=A0found= out=C2=A0what was the=C2=A0 problem=C2=A0 and talked to them yesterday and= =C2=A0told them everything I think of....._and what makes me more mad is th= at my contract with them was that the mailman work properly, anyway_ so now= I have to change servers again....and I=C2=B4m looking for the best option= and I after going through the list you guys sent me I like EMWD=C2=A0 caus= e they have a mailman hosting=C2=A0 _that=C2=B4s all I need cause my web is= in another server_but I have contacted them twice already (yesterday and t= his morning)and haven=C2=B4t had any answer yet....and most of all I need g= ood technical service since I=C2=B4m just the administrator and a user of the = list,=C2=A0and not a programer..so I really don=C2=B4t know why they are no= t answering me...so if=C2=A0you guys from EMWD=C2=A0participate in this lis= t could you contact me please? cause the other option I have is to get a VP= S server but is way more expensive=C2=A0of what I want to pay and much more= larger that what I need....and I really need my mailing list to work fine = and without server or tecnical problems=0A=C2=A0=0AThanks=0AJaione=0Ajaione= a at yahoo.com=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Mensaje original ----=0ADe: Brad Knowles =0APara: Jan Steinman =0ACC: mailman= -users at python.org=0AEnviado: jueves, 4 de septiembre, 2008 18:48:42=0AAsunt= o: Re: [Mailman-Users] many problems=0A=0AJan Steinman wrote:=0A=0A>> And I= will add that EMWD seems to be the only Mailman hosting company =0A>> I kn= ow of that actively participates on this list, which I think =0A>> speaks w= ell for them.=0A> =0A> You mean "the only Mailman hosting company of signif= icant size."=0A=0AI did say "... that I know of ...".=C2=A0 ;-)=0A=0A> I'm = a purposely-small service provider that includes Mailman and =0A> Wikipedia= in my website hosting. 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De: Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>Para: Jan Steinman <Jan at Bytesmiths.com>
CC: mailman-users at python= .org
Enviado: jueves, 4 de septiembre, 2008 18:48:42
Asunto: Re: [Mai= lman-Users] many problems

Jan Steinman wrote:

>> And I = will add that EMWD seems to be the only Mailman hosting company
>>= ; I know of that actively participates on this list, which I think
>= > speaks well for them.
>
> You mean "the only Mailman host= ing company of significant size."

I did say "... that I know of ..."= .  ;-)

> I'm a purposely-small service provider that include= s Mailman and
> Wikipedia in my website hosting. I specialize in art= ists and
> non-profits. (Demographic selected for their vast financi= al resources,
> ripe for the tapping... NOT! :-)
>
> You might discover there are a lot of "lurkers" on this list who = are
> "hosting" in the broadest sense of the word.

Indeed, I = hope there are.  And I hope more of them come out and identify
the= mselves (as you have done here), because I honestly was only aware of the <= BR>one company/group in this space which was actively participating in this=
mailing list.


The more of you guys that come out and active= ly participate in the list, and
try to help people resolve issues even = if they're not your customers or
potential customers for you, the bette= r the overall community will be.

And, hopefully, the more customers = you will be able to draw to your
respective services, in part because y= ou'll have people like me who can
stick their hand up and say things li= ke:

    Yeah, I've heard of these guys before, they a= ctively
    participate in the list, and they seem to be pretty
    good guys.

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Reg=C3=ADstrate ya - http://cor= reo.yahoo.com.mx/ --0-480345227-1220636012=:98832-- From brian at emwd.com Fri Sep 5 21:17:18 2008 From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:17:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rv: many problems In-Reply-To: <406718.98832.qm@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <406718.98832.qm@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04a101c90f8c$056b3580$1041a080$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org [mailto:mailman- > users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Jaione Arrieta > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:34 PM > To: Mailman-Users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rv: many problems > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-480345227- > 1220636012=:98832" > > --0-480345227-1220636012=:98832 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi=0AThank you for the answers and yes the problem is > wit= > h the server that doesn=C2=B4t allow more than 400 mails an hour!!!! > and my= > list has 500 members...., I just changed servers a month ago=C2=A0and > sinc= > e the beginning the mailing list wasn=C2=B4t working well and every > time I = > contacted them told me that the problem wasn=C2=B4t the > server....=C2=A0and= > these guys kept that issue from me all the time and=C2=A0I > just=C2=A0found= > out=C2=A0what was the=C2=A0 problem=C2=A0 and talked to them yesterday > and= > =C2=A0told them everything I think of....._and what makes me more mad > is th= > at my contract with them was that the mailman work properly, anyway_ so > now= > I have to change servers again....and I=C2=B4m looking for the best > option= > and I after going through the list you guys sent me I like EMWD=C2=A0 > caus= > e they have a mailman hosting=C2=A0 _that=C2=B4s all I need cause my > web is= > in another server_but I have contacted them twice already (yesterday > and t= > his morning)and haven=C2=B4t had any answer yet....and most of all I > need g= > ood > technical service since I=C2=B4m just the administrator and a user of > the = > list,=C2=A0and not a programer..so I really don=C2=B4t know why they > are no= > t answering me...so if=C2=A0you guys from EMWD= I have replied to Jaionea twice now using 2 different e-mail addresses to send our replies but evidently our responses are going into Yahoo.com's famous black hole. I have verified that my messages were delivered to yahoo's mail server but where they go from there is beyond me. I hate yahoo.com and I wish people would stop using their awful mail service. Jaionea, if you have a different e-mail address then please let me know what it is so I can send you our responses again. That is if you receive this. Regards, Brian -------------------------------------- EMWD.com - 'Powered by Techies' Blog.emwd.com - "Curious comments from a web hosting techie" From barry at list.org Fri Sep 5 22:27:04 2008 From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:27:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tracker migration to Launchpad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0148B39D-5F05-44D2-A18C-1980E331CF81@list.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 2, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > We're planning on migrating the current SourceForge trackers for the > Mailman project to Launchpad, this Thursday at 1200 UTC. Expect the > conversion to take several hours. > > The SF trackers will still be available during the conversion, > though I will try to remove as much write access to them as > possible. Please be aware that any changes that occur to SF issues > during the conversion will be lost. > > I'll send another announcement when the conversion is complete. This is now complete, and the SourceForge trackers have been disabled. From now on, please use Launchpad for all bug reports. https://launchpad.net/mailman Let me know if you have any problems... and enjoy! - -Barry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkjBlhgACgkQ2YZpQepbvXFKBwCgoQ2/GRMvWT5I1zH1aDxCkXp3 J7kAoKAOOUF2wyTF/PuzZ3wePyb6yhPV =PQS+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From khillo100 at hotmail.com Sat Sep 6 02:43:26 2008 From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:43:26 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear mailman guys, I have a huge newsletter list (no discussion) that no dedicated server can handle, for mailman eats up the whole memory .. thus I divided it to several lists on different servers .. and I do the subscription and cancellation peocesses manually, I collect the requests on email addresses for subscriptions and cancellations then process them manually .. the problem is, everyday I have to MASS-REMOVE the list of addresses that wants to cancel on all the small lists .. as well as have to MASS-SUBSCRIBE the list of new subscriptions on all of the small lists which is getting really exhausting especially that my list is growing very fast (sometimes 5000+ subscribers a day) and I have to open a new small list every like 50 or 60 new thousand subscribers .. the question is, is there a way to manage ALL the lists at one time?? like mass removing from all the lists at a time ? please help.. Thanks.. _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ From d3v1ous at d3v1ous.info Thu Sep 4 14:07:08 2008 From: d3v1ous at d3v1ous.info (d3v1ous at d3v1ous.info) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:07:08 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem group Message-ID: Hello, i want to start mailman with postfix, everything is ok but when i post new topic on mail list the mail not recive and i see this error on mail.log Command died with status 2: "/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post sheet". Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "daemon", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "nobody". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "daemon", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'. How to fix this? From gaspard at teti.ch Thu Sep 4 12:45:37 2008 From: gaspard at teti.ch (Gaspard Bucher) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:45:37 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman silently fails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C36BAAC-E28B-4EEB-A4BA-601A12079AD8@teti.ch> Solved ! The problem was that "mailmanctl" was not running. I just did "/etc/ init.d/mailman start" and all the mails got sent at once. I should have looked into "/var/lib/mailman/qfiles" to see that the messages where left in the queue. Thanks for your help. Gaspard > > Look in Mailman's qfiles. I suspect you'll see the messages in > qfiles/in/ indicating that at least IncomingRunner is not running. > > See . From mark at msapiro.net Sat Sep 6 03:04:56 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:04:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Khalil Abbas wrote: > >the problem is, everyday I have to MASS-REMOVE the list of addresses that wants to cancel on all the small lists .. as well as have to MASS-SUBSCRIBE the list of new subscriptions on all of the small lists which is getting really exhausting especially that my list is growing very fast (sometimes 5000+ subscribers a day) and I have to open a new small list every like 50 or 60 new thousand subscribers .. > >the question is, is there a way to manage ALL the lists at one time?? like mass removing from all the lists at a time ? Do these hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people all really opt-in to your newsletter? I'm reluctant to help you at all, because I think you'd have a difficult time convincing me you aren't spamming these people, but in the interest of helping you remove people, bin/remove_members --fromall --file=somefile will remove all the addresses found in 'somefile' from all lists. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Sat Sep 6 03:13:55 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:13:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: d3v1ous at d3v1ous.info wrote: >Hello, i want to start mailman with postfix, everything is ok but when i post new topic on mail list the mail not recive and i see this error on mail.log > >Command died with status 2: > "/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post sheet". Command output: Group >mismatch > error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group > "daemon", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group > "nobody". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group > "daemon", or re-run configure, providing the command line option > `--with-mail-gid=nobody'. > >How to fix this? Do one of the two things it says in the error message. Note that Postfix will run the pipe as the user:group of the owner of the aliases.db file in which it found the pipe alias. Note also, that the group is the primary group of the owner of the file, not the group of the file. See for more information. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From khillo100 at hotmail.com Sat Sep 6 03:57:15 2008 From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:57:15 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Mark, it's a religious list and each subscriber invites all his friends to subscribe, each one subscriber can make up to 100 people subscribe and that's the beauty of it.. besides, I only send a single line of religious quote not a huge article which make it popular to people .. thanks for your help .. by the way, the list is about 200,000+ in size, but I have to divide it on several servers because godaddy (where I host the lists) limits the daily smtp relays so I can't send them all using only one server .. I have 3 servers with 100,000 emails per day limit each.. does anyone know a good company that has great servers with no limitation on the daily outgoing emails? I would appreciate it if u share if you have tried it .. appreciate your help .. > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:04:56 -0700> From: mark at msapiro.net> To: khillo100 at hotmail.com; mailman-users at python.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..> > Khalil Abbas wrote:> > > >the problem is, everyday I have to MASS-REMOVE the list of addresses that wants to cancel on all the small lists .. as well as have to MASS-SUBSCRIBE the list of new subscriptions on all of the small lists which is getting really exhausting especially that my list is growing very fast (sometimes 5000+ subscribers a day) and I have to open a new small list every like 50 or 60 new thousand subscribers ..> > > >the question is, is there a way to manage ALL the lists at one time?? like mass removing from all the lists at a time ?> > > Do these hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people all really opt-in> to your newsletter?> > I'm reluctant to help you at all, because I think you'd have a> difficult time convincing me you aren't spamming these people, but in> the interest of helping you remove people,> > bin/remove_members --fromall --file=somefile> > will remove all the addresses found in 'somefile' from all lists.> > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan> _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From ed at justbrits.com Sat Sep 6 06:01:09 2008 From: ed at justbrits.com (Ed at JustBrits) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 22:01:09 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Khalil: <> Check yesterday's Archives. And/or just search them for MM Server hosts. Ed From fil at rezo.net Sat Sep 6 09:09:03 2008 From: fil at rezo.net (Fil) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:09:03 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I have a huge newsletter list (no discussion) that no dedicated server can handle, for mailman eats up the whole memory .. thus I divided it to several lists on different servers .. and I do the subscription and cancellation peocesses manually, I collect the requests on email addresses for subscriptions and cancellations then process them manually .. You might want to run Mailman with MySQL support. It's not official but it works. See http://trac.rezo.net/trac/rezo/browser/Mailman I use it to run 400 lists including a 200K subs -- Fil From z.szalbot at lcwords.com Sat Sep 6 09:16:08 2008 From: z.szalbot at lcwords.com (Zbigniew Szalbot) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:16:08 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C22E38.8050707@lcwords.com> Hi Khalil Abbas: > Dear Mark, > > it's a religious list and each subscriber invites all his friends to > subscribe, each one subscriber can make up to 100 people subscribe > and that's the beauty of it.. besides, I only send a single line of > religious quote not a huge article which make it popular to people .. Your policy still seems very strange. So if I join your list, I can send you up to 100 emails of my friends and you will just add them to your list? -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.LCWords.com From khillo100 at hotmail.com Sat Sep 6 11:45:06 2008 From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:45:06 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: <48C22E38.8050707@lcwords.com> References: <48C22E38.8050707@lcwords.com> Message-ID: what I meant was: each subscriber likes the service so much that he sends it to his friends, and his friends like it so much that they subscribe.. for the service is very cool, a single line of quote with great wisdom and benefit .. you should think better of people :) and just to let you know, my list is OPT-IN and godaddy has a very very very strict policy against spamming.. Thanks..> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:16:08 +0200> From: z.szalbot at lcwords.com> To: khillo100 at hotmail.com> CC: mailman-users at python.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..> > Hi> > Khalil Abbas:> > Dear Mark,> > > > it's a religious list and each subscriber invites all his friends to> > subscribe, each one subscriber can make up to 100 people subscribe> > and that's the beauty of it.. besides, I only send a single line of> > religious quote not a huge article which make it popular to people ..> > Your policy still seems very strange. So if I join your list, I can send > you up to 100 emails of my friends and you will just add them to your list?> > -- > Zbigniew Szalbot> www.LCWords.com _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Sep 6 17:47:36 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:47:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:57 AM +0000 9/6/08, Khalil Abbas wrote: > it's a religious list and each subscriber invites all his friends to > subscribe, each one subscriber can make up to 100 people subscribe and > that's the beauty of it.. Okay, so you're spamming up to 100 people, at the request of a single person. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. > by the way, the list is about 200,000+ in size, but I have to divide it > on several servers because godaddy (where I host the lists) limits the > daily smtp relays so I can't send them all using only one server .. I have > 3 servers with 100,000 emails per day limit each.. Given the way you've described it, I think we should probably contact GoDaddy and get them to terminate all your accounts. Now, if you can convince me that you've been misinterpreted or misunderstood, I might hold off on doing that. But you've got a tough job ahead of you. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From ivanlan9 at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 19:03:08 2008 From: ivanlan9 at gmail.com (Ivan Van Laningham) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:03:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All-- I visited the website. It looks legit. That doesn't mean it is, but the site doesn't feature any malware or spyware, and there are no attempts to force popups on the visitor. The subscription & unsub instructions look like perfectly normal Mailman instructions, with confirmation & approval required. And he's right about Godaddy's aversion to spam. It took me a week to get them to up the limit for my server so I could operate my small lists without banging up against the very low default limits after sending one or two announcements to all the lists. I had to supply a shitload of documentation to prove to them I wasn't a spammer: sample email messages, the url for the signup page, estimated daily number of messages, number of subscribers, explicit instructions for signing up and unsubbing. Even then they cut my requested limit to 1/3. Turned out my estimates were off by a bigger factor than that, but it was clear that if I wanted to increase their limit I really had to work. Metta, Ivan On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 1:57 AM +0000 9/6/08, Khalil Abbas wrote: > > it's a religious list and each subscriber invites all his friends to >> subscribe, each one subscriber can make up to 100 people subscribe and >> that's the beauty of it.. >> > > Okay, so you're spamming up to 100 people, at the request of a single > person. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. > > by the way, the list is about 200,000+ in size, but I have to divide it >> on several servers because godaddy (where I host the lists) limits the >> daily smtp relays so I can't send them all using only one server .. I >> have >> 3 servers with 100,000 emails per day limit each.. >> > > Given the way you've described it, I think we should probably contact > GoDaddy and get them to terminate all your accounts. > > Now, if you can convince me that you've been misinterpreted or > misunderstood, I might hold off on doing that. But you've got a tough job > ahead of you. > > -- > Brad Knowles > LinkedIn Profile: > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ivanlan9%40gmail.com > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/laningham/laningham.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours From khillo100 at hotmail.com Sat Sep 6 21:25:14 2008 From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:25:14 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Brad, first of all, godaddy has a very very strict policy against spamming, you can read about it in their website.. if they noticed the least of bounces they would terminate your whole server .. besides, my list is OPT-IN and I never use the mass subscribe feature unless I want to move people from one list to another .. second, what I meant was: each subscriber likes the service so much that he sends it to his friends, and his friends like it so much that most of them subscribe.. for the service is very cool, a single line of quote that is never hard to read with great wisdom and benefit .. Third, you should think better of people, religious messages is not about bugging other people it's about teaching them not to disturb other people ..Thanks.. GOD FORGIVES.. > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:47:36 -0500> To: khillo100 at hotmail.com; mailman-users at python.org> From: brad at shub-internet.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..> > At 1:57 AM +0000 9/6/08, Khalil Abbas wrote:> > > it's a religious list and each subscriber invites all his friends to> > subscribe, each one subscriber can make up to 100 people subscribe and> > that's the beauty of it..> > Okay, so you're spamming up to 100 people, at the request of a single > person. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.> > > by the way, the list is about 200,000+ in size, but I have to divide it> > on several servers because godaddy (where I host the lists) limits the> > daily smtp relays so I can't send them all using only one server .. I have> > 3 servers with 100,000 emails per day limit each..> > Given the way you've described it, I think we should probably contact > GoDaddy and get them to terminate all your accounts.> > Now, if you can convince me that you've been misinterpreted or > misunderstood, I might hold off on doing that. But you've got a > tough job ahead of you.> > -- > Brad Knowles > LinkedIn Profile: _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From breoc2003 at hotmail.com Sat Sep 6 21:26:59 2008 From: breoc2003 at hotmail.com (Brian O'Connor) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please connect with me :) Message-ID: <25270000.59481220729219961.JavaMail.JBoss@neptune15.reunion.com> Hi, I looked for you on Reunion.com, but you weren't there. 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For assistance, please refer to our FAQ or Contact Us. http://help.reunion.com/selfhelp?lid=2 Our Address: 2118 Wilshire Blvd., Box 1008, Santa Monica, CA 90403-5784 From billc_lists at greenbuilder.com Sun Sep 7 06:07:33 2008 From: billc_lists at greenbuilder.com (Bill Christensen) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:07:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rv: many problems In-Reply-To: <406718.98832.qm@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <406718.98832.qm@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 10:33 AM -0700 9/5/08, Jaione Arrieta wrote: >Thank you for the answers and yes the problem is wit= >h the server that doesn=C2=B4t allow more than 400 mails an hour!!!! and my= > list has 500 members...., Sounds like you have a problem there. If this is an announcement list (where you might have some control over the timing of messages being sent, as opposed to a discusion list where you won't) you might be able to temporarily split the list into two. If it's a discussion, you'd be better off moving it again OR getting the current server admin to allow more than 400 emails/hour. >_and what makes me more mad is that my contract with them was that >the mailman work properly, Well, technically Mailman *is* working properly. It's the throttled mail gateway that's getting you. > I'm looking for the best option= > and I after going through the list you guys sent me I like EMWD=C2=A0 caus= >e they have a mailman hosting=C2=A0 _that=C2=B4s all I need cause my web is= > in another server_but I have contacted them twice already (yesterday and t= >his morning)and haven=C2=B4t had any answer yet.... Maybe because you're ranting and sound like a potentially high-maintainence client. (-; Actually, they say that they've attempted to contact you but it's bounced from your Yahoo address twice. We also host Mailman lists. I hadn't spoken up before now because we're relatively new to Mailman, having just switched over in March from another list software that we've been running for many years. And because I was busy with other stuff - like working on a long overdue overhaul of our own site. Before I can make you an offer I'd need to know the topic of your list and get an idea of your message load - how many messages per week or month on average, and what the averages is of the total megabytes used. -- Bill Christensen Green Building Professionals Directory: Sustainable Building Calendar: Green Real Estate: Straw Bale Registry: Books/videos/software: From brad at shub-internet.org Sun Sep 7 06:33:42 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:33:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 7:25 PM +0000 9/6/08, Khalil Abbas wrote: > first of all, godaddy has a very very strict policy against spamming, you > can read about it in their website. They may have a strong policy, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they know all of their customers who are actually spamming. They might need to be told. > if they noticed the least of bounces > they would terminate your whole server .. That's good. > besides, my list is OPT-IN and > I never use the mass subscribe feature unless I want to move people from > one list to another .. I've been fighting spam since 1995, and you wouldn't believe the number of spammers I've talked to who have claimed that they are legit, that they run purely opt-in lists, etc.... Just because someone says they're legit doesn't necessarily make it so. > second, what I meant was: each subscriber likes the service so much that > he sends it to his friends, and his friends like it so much that most of > them subscribe.. for the service is very cool, a single line of quote that > is never hard to read with great wisdom and benefit ... If they are subscribing themselves, that's good. Otherwise, not. > Third, you should think better of people, religious messages is not > about bugging other people it's about teaching them not to disturb > other people .. Regretfully, there are a small percentage of people out there who think it's their sole purpose in life to spoil things for everyone else. If you're going to be in this line of work, you learn very quickly that you have to assume the worst. In your case, I still haven't made up my mind. So, I am not going to report you to GoDaddy (not yet, anyway), but I'm also not going to provide any further feedback that might be considered useful. When I've made up my mind one way or the other, then I will take action. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From ab3331 at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 7 02:48:34 2008 From: ab3331 at sbcglobal.net (Green Gold Capital) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:48:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello all, I just installed mailman version 2.1.9.cp2. When I say "I installed", I mean that I used cpanel to do it at my web host. I'm trying to change what I thought were some minor things, but I can't seem to figure out how. For example, I want to change the public name of the list but it says "(make case-changes only)" in general options. Well, I want to do substantially more than make just case changes. Right now it's coming out as "listname_hostname", I want something more like "Company Name's special list". Is that possible as a mere user of the web server (yet list admin). Any help? Thank you advance. From fil at rezo.net Sun Sep 7 08:11:37 2008 From: fil at rezo.net (Fil) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:11:37 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: <20080907.025927.477.1@SERVER1> References: <20080907.025927.477.1@SERVER1> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 4:59 AM, wrote: >> You might want to run Mailman with MySQL support. It's not official >> but it works. >> See http://trac.rezo.net/trac/rezo/browser/Mailman > > Is that still limited to one outgoing thread? Does is send faster than > normal? It's the same thing for delivery, but it makes the admin space faster. -- Fil From mark at msapiro.net Sun Sep 7 16:51:56 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 07:51:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Green Gold Capital wrote: > >I just installed mailman version 2.1.9.cp2. Please see . >When I say "I installed", I mean that I used cpanel to do it at my web host. >I'm trying to change what I thought were some minor things, but I can't seem >to figure out how. For example, I want to change the public name of the >list but it says "(make case-changes only)" in general options. Well, I >want to do substantially more than make just case changes. Then you have to create a new list that has the name you want. >Right now it's >coming out as "listname_hostname", The _hostname part is cPanel. It is not in the list posting address, but it is in the web interface. There's nothing you can do about it if you use cPanel. I want something more like "Company >Name's special list". That would not be a valid list name in any case. Keep in mind that the list name is also the local part of its email address. It sounds like what you are really talking about is the list's 'description' - "A terse phrase identifying this list." -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From vancleef at lostwells.net Sun Sep 7 18:27:11 2008 From: vancleef at lostwells.net (Hank van Cleef) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200809071627.m87GRBsA006890@julie.lostwells.net> The esteemed Khalil Abbas has said: > > > Dear Brad, > > first of all, godaddy has a very very strict policy against spamming, you can read about it in their website.. if they noticed the least of bounces they would terminate your whole server .. besides, my list is OPT-IN and I never use the mass subscribe feature unless I want to move people from one list to another .. > > second, what I meant was: each subscriber likes the service so much that he sends it to his friends, and his friends like it so much that most of them subscribe.. for the service is very cool, a single line of quote that is never hard to read with great wisdom and benefit .. Third, you should think better of people, religious messages is not about bugging other people it's about teaching them not to disturb other people ..Thanks.. > GOD FORGIVES.. > Khalil Abbas: The more you protest in mails to this list, the more you come across as a spammer, pure and simple. Your original description: "the problem is, everyday I have to MASS-REMOVE the list of addresses that wants to cancel on all the small lists .. as well as have to MASS-SUBSCRIBE the list of new subscriptions on all of the small lists which is getting really exhausting especially that my list is growing very fast (sometimes 5000+ subscribers a day) and I have to open a new small list every like 50 or 60 new thousand subscribers .." Mass-subscribe isn't "opt-in" by any stretch of the imagination. And having to mass-remove those who protest simply acknowledges that people don't like to be spammed. Beyond which, many users are taught that responding to spammers will simply validate their e-mail and produce more spam. 5000+ new subscribers a day says to me loud and clear that you are harvesting e-mail addresses from somewhere, or several somewheres. That's junk mail quantities. I live in a 9900 square mile county where every e-mail address in the county would be subscribed in 2-3 days at that rate. All of New York City might take a couple of weeks. A demographic of 250K "qualified buyers" comes across as an order of magnitude (i.e. 10 times) larger than anything I'd expect without clear-cut proof. Add to that the subject matter you are mailing. I am an old bull (mid-70's), and if there are is a red flag that gets the old bull's attention, it's religious mailings of any type. Politics rates a distant second. Don't bother talking to me about thinking better of people, forgiving gods, etc. when your description is of "religious messages is not about bugging other people it's about teaching them not to disturb other people," and your methodology is to mass e-mail them with these mailings. In short, the more you post, the less I'm inclined to believe that you are running anything other than a spam operation. I may not know everything, but as the late Red Skelton said, "I calls them the way I sees them." Hank From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun Sep 7 20:17:10 2008 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:17:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Availability of patches on Launchpad Message-ID: <2ECE4E9B-93B6-47B4-ACB5-D3F4569FCBE5@openinfo.co.uk> If you are a user of patches I have published for Mailman in the past then read on. Otherwise, apologies for cluttering up your mailbox. In the recent switch from Sourceforge to Launchpad a number of the current patches that I publish for Mailman do not appear to have made the cut and are now unavailable from either Sourceforge or Launchpad. As far as I am aware none of the patches that did not make it have been incorporated into core Mailman but I am willing to be corrected on this. Subject to the usual caveat that I will only maintain it while I use it myself, I shall continue to publish my patches via: http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/index.html The tableau below summarise what I believe to be the case. Format of tableau is: SourceforgeNumber LaunchpadNumber Description - means unavailable on Launchpad made the cut 444879 266553 Archive indexer control to improve indexing. 444884 266554 Integration of Mailman & htdig for archive searching. did not make the cut 644797 - Revised mailer exit status. 760567 - Moderation request message content. 820723 - Mailman/pipermail/MHonarc integration 850805 - Aggressive anti email address harvesting measures 1442025 - List Specialisation for Support Groups 1483446 - Daily mbox files for list mbox archives ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From lists at viplist.us Mon Sep 8 00:38:50 2008 From: lists at viplist.us (lists at viplist.us) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:38:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Availability of patches on Launchpad Message-ID: <20080907.223850.895.3@SERVER1> It looks like logging out and closing everything and relogging in allows me to see a few patches. However, in addition to yours, dozens of others are missing. I can't say I think much of the usefulness of Lauchpad's search functions, since there is not one to simply search a project. Maybe I a missing something, but this seems a step backward is usefulness and ease of use. No real descriptions of what the patches are (have to go tree by tree) dimishes the usefulness. This looks like it is more difficult to use for all, plus with most patches missing, not very useful. Even the one I wanted is not here, now and it was on Sourceforge Monday. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Barrett To: mailman-users at python.org Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:17:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Availability of patches on Launchpad > If you are a user of patches I have published for Mailman in the past > then read on. Otherwise, apologies for cluttering up your mailbox. > > In the recent switch from Sourceforge to Launchpad a number of the > current patches that I publish for Mailman do not appear to have made > the cut and are now unavailable from either Sourceforge or Launchpad. > As far as I am aware none of the patches that did not make it have > been incorporated into core Mailman but I am willing to be corrected > on this. > > Subject to the usual caveat that I will only maintain it while I use > it myself, I shall continue to publish my patches via: > > http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/index.html > > The tableau below summarise what I believe to be the case. > > Format of tableau is: > > SourceforgeNumber LaunchpadNumber Description > > - means unavailable on Launchpad > > made the cut > > 444879 266553 Archive indexer control to improve indexing. > 444884 266554 Integration of Mailman & htdig for archive searching. > > did not make the cut > > 644797 - Revised mailer exit status. > 760567 - Moderation request message content. > 820723 - Mailman/pipermail/MHonarc integration > 850805 - Aggressive anti email address harvesting measures > 1442025 - List Specialisation for Support Groups > 1483446 - Daily mbox files for list mbox archives > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lists%40viplist.us > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > From khillo100 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 00:42:02 2008 From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:42:02 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: <200809071627.m87GRBsA006890@julie.lostwells.net> References: <200809071627.m87GRBsA006890@julie.lostwells.net> Message-ID: who said it's 5000 subscribers a day??? if I really did say this it's by mistake.. I meant 500 (5 Hundred) a day! and please, leave the type of mailing aside, if you're a non believer don't offend other people, I didn't try to shove my beliefs into your faces and I was really offended with what you said about religion.. besides, I'm using the mass remove and mass subscribe features because I have multiple lists and I'm using 1 email for subscribing and 1 email for removals then collect all the emails sent to these addresses and subscribe or remove them from all the lists in order to avoid double subscriptions.. many users in my list send messages by mistake to the subscribe email .. also my dear I've been running this list for over 3 years now and this number of subscribers didn't get there easy.. I'm sorry for all the fuss I've created by my simple request .. > From: vancleef at lostwells.net> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..> To: khillo100 at hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:27:11 -0600> CC: brad at shub-internet.org; mailman-users at python.org> > The esteemed Khalil Abbas has said:> > > > > > Dear Brad,> > > > first of all, godaddy has a very very strict policy against spamming, you can read about it in their website.. if they noticed the least of bounces they would terminate your whole server .. besides, my list is OPT-IN and I never use the mass subscribe feature unless I want to move people from one list to another ..> > > > second, what I meant was: each subscriber likes the service so much that he sends it to his friends, and his friends like it so much that most of them subscribe.. for the service is very cool, a single line of quote that is never hard to read with great wisdom and benefit .. Third, you should think better of people, religious messages is not about bugging other people it's about teaching them not to disturb other people ..Thanks..> > GOD FORGIVES..> > > Khalil Abbas:> > The more you protest in mails to this list, the more you come across> as a spammer, pure and simple. > > Your original description:> > "the problem is, everyday I have to MASS-REMOVE the list of addresses> that wants to cancel on all the small lists .. as well as have to > MASS-SUBSCRIBE the list of new subscriptions on all of the small lists > which is getting really exhausting especially that my list is growing > very fast (sometimes 5000+ subscribers a day) and I have to open a new > small list every like 50 or 60 new thousand subscribers .."> > Mass-subscribe isn't "opt-in" by any stretch of the imagination. And> having to mass-remove those who protest simply acknowledges that> people don't like to be spammed. Beyond which, many users are taught> that responding to spammers will simply validate their e-mail and> produce more spam. 5000+ new subscribers a day says to me loud and> clear that you are harvesting e-mail addresses from somewhere, or> several somewheres. That's junk mail quantities. I live in a 9900> square mile county where every e-mail address in the county would be> subscribed in 2-3 days at that rate. All of New York City might take a > couple of weeks. A demographic of 250K "qualified buyers" comes> across as an order of magnitude (i.e. 10 times) larger than anything> I'd expect without clear-cut proof.> > Add to that the subject matter you are mailing. I am an old bull> (mid-70's), and if there are is a red flag that gets the old bull's> attention, it's religious mailings of any type. Politics rates a> distant second. > > Don't bother talking to me about thinking better of people, forgiving> gods, etc. when your description is of "religious messages is not> about bugging other people it's about teaching them not to disturb > other people," and your methodology is to mass e-mail them with these> mailings.> > In short, the more you post, the less I'm inclined to believe that you> are running anything other than a spam operation. I may not know> everything, but as the late Red Skelton said, "I calls them the way I> sees them."> > Hank _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ From lists at viplist.us Mon Sep 8 00:14:15 2008 From: lists at viplist.us (lists at viplist.us) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:14:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Availability of patches on Launchpad Message-ID: <20080907.221415.867.2@SERVER1> Not sure what patches your are seeing, but right now there are zero patches on Launchpad and the are removed from Sourceforge. Having two different Mailman listings on Launchpad does not help, either. Only one has the pogram - but neither have any patches. https://launchpad.net/mailman/+download has the standard Mailman program. ~mailman has nothing. Where are you seeing any patches at all? ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Barrett To: mailman-users at python.org Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:17:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Availability of patches on Launchpad > If you are a user of patches I have published for Mailman in the past > then read on. Otherwise, apologies for cluttering up your mailbox. > > In the recent switch from Sourceforge to Launchpad a number of the > current patches that I publish for Mailman do not appear to have made > the cut and are now unavailable from either Sourceforge or Launchpad. > As far as I am aware none of the patches that did not make it have > been incorporated into core Mailman but I am willing to be corrected > on this. > > Subject to the usual caveat that I will only maintain it while I use > it myself, I shall continue to publish my patches via: > > http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/index.html > > The tableau below summarise what I believe to be the case. > > Format of tableau is: > > SourceforgeNumber LaunchpadNumber Description > > - means unavailable on Launchpad > > made the cut > > 444879 266553 Archive indexer control to improve indexing. > 444884 266554 Integration of Mailman & htdig for archive searching. > > did not make the cut > > 644797 - Revised mailer exit status. > 760567 - Moderation request message content. > 820723 - Mailman/pipermail/MHonarc integration > 850805 - Aggressive anti email address harvesting measures > 1442025 - List Specialisation for Support Groups > 1483446 - Daily mbox files for list mbox archives > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lists%40viplist.us > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > From khillo100 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 02:05:08 2008 From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:05:08 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: References: <200809071627.m87GRBsA006890@julie.lostwells.net> Message-ID: OH MY GOD!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS? WHAT LANGUAGE DO YOU SPEAK??? I AM NOT A DANG SPAMMER!!! oh man! just to let you know.. I already cancelled from godaddy and bought a new server from Theplanet.com.. for they do not limit the amount of outgoing emails per day on dedicated servers like godaddy does.. I used to pay too much for 3 dedicated servers with godaddy!! one more thing, I WILL NOT USE MAILMAN! ARE YOU HAPPY?? I'll use PHPlist for it's way more efficient than mailman and supports mysql!! THANKS AND SORRY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE!! SHEESH!! ps. : I forgive you all.. and please forgive me .. sorry if I've been harsh or something .. Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:56:18 -0400From: krystalzip at gmail.comTo: khillo100 at hotmail.comSubject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. It doesn't matter if it's five, five hundred, or five thousand. It also doesn't have anything to do with your believes, our believes, or the people you are contacting. It has everything to do with host policy and law.If your users do not opt in, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MASS ANYTHING, BUT A USER REQUESTING TO BE A MEMBER OF YOUR NEWSLETTER, then you are spamming them, PERIOD.Now, all you could do is quit arguing the point and put all of us administrators at rest by QUICKLY (no books please) assuring us that you are not a spammer so we do not (and Brad is ABSOLUTELY right to do so) report and are more willing to answer your question.If this is to hard, then I for one am sick of hearing this complaining about religion and believes. Get over yourself please.Ok, back to my real self. Have a nice night!Krystal On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Khalil Abbas wrote: who said it's 5000 subscribers a day??? if I really did say this it's by mistake.. I meant 500 (5 Hundred) a day!and please, leave the type of mailing aside, if you're a non believer don't offend other people, I didn't try to shove my beliefs into your faces and I was really offended with what you said about religion..besides, I'm using the mass remove and mass subscribe features because I have multiple lists and I'm using 1 email for subscribing and 1 email for removals then collect all the emails sent to these addresses and subscribe or remove them from all the lists in order to avoid double subscriptions.. many users in my list send messages by mistake to the subscribe email ..also my dear I've been running this list for over 3 years now and this number of subscribers didn't get there easy..I'm sorry for all the fuss I've created by my simple request .. > From: vancleef at lostwells.net> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..> To: khillo100 at hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:27:11 -0600> CC: brad at shub-internet.org; mailman-users at python.org> > The esteemed Khalil Abbas has said:> > > > > > Dear Brad,> > > > first of all, godaddy has a very very strict policy against spamming, you can read about it in their website.. if they noticed the least of bounces they would terminate your whole server .. besides, my list is OPT-IN and I never use the mass subscribe feature unless I want to move people from one list to another ..> > > > second, what I meant was: each subscriber likes the service so much that he sends it to his friends, and his friends like it so much that most of them subscribe.. for the service is very cool, a single line of quote that is never hard to read with great wisdom and benefit .. Third, you should think better of people, religious ! messages is not about bugging other people it's about teaching them not to disturb other people ..Thanks..> > GOD FORGIVES..> > > Khalil Abbas:> > The more you protest in mails to this list, the more you come across> as a spammer, pure and simple. > > Your original description:> > "the problem is, everyday I have to MASS-REMOVE the list of addresses> that wants to cancel on all the small lists .. as well as have to > MASS-SUBSCRIBE the list of new subscriptions on all of the small lists > which is getting really exhausting especially that my list is growing > very fast (sometimes 5000+ subscribers a day) and I have to open a new > small list every like 50 or 60 new thousand subscribers .."> > Mass-subscribe isn't "opt-in" by any stretch of the imagination. And> having to mass-remove those who protest simply acknowledges that> people don't like to be spammed. Beyond which, many users are taught> that responding to spammers will simply validate their e-mail and> produce more ! spam. 5000+ new subscribers a day says to me loud and> clear that youare harvesting e-mail addresses from somewhere, or> several somewheres. That's junk mail quantities. I live in a 9900> square mile county where every e-mail address in the county would be> subscribed in 2-3 days at that rate. All of New York City might take a > couple of weeks. A demographic of 250K "qualified buyers" comes> across as an order of magnitude (i.e. 10 times) larger than anything> I'd expect without clear-cut proof.> > Add to that the subject matter you are mailing. I am an old bull> (mid-70's), and if there are is a red flag that gets the old bull's> attention, it's religious mailings of any type. Politics rates a> distant second. > > Don't bother talking to me about thinking better of people, forgiving> gods, etc. when your description is of "religious messages is not> about bugging other people it's about teaching them not to disturb > other people," and your methodology is to mass e-mail them with these> mailings.> > In short, the more you post, the less I'm! inclined to believe that you> are running anything other than a spam operation. I may not know> everything, but as the late Red Skelton said, "I calls them the way I> sees them."> > Hank_________________________________________________________________See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life.http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/------------------------------------------------------Mailman-Users mailing listMailman-Users at python.orghttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-usersMailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/zipfel%40greenacrestechnology.comSecurity Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ From rclemings at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 02:25:11 2008 From: rclemings at gmail.com (Russell Clemings) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:25:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config question Message-ID: If you have access to the shell (e.g. a VPS rather than shared hosting), you can use bin/config_list to create your lists outside of cPanel and avoid all of the "_hostname" business, which I believe is just cPanel's way to enforce unique listnames. rac > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Mark Sapiro > To: "Green Gold Capital" , > > Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 07:51:56 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Config question > Green Gold Capital wrote: > > > >I just installed mailman version 2.1.9.cp2. > > > Please see . > > > >When I say "I installed", I mean that I used cpanel to do it at my web > host. > >I'm trying to change what I thought were some minor things, but I can't > seem > >to figure out how. For example, I want to change the public name of the > >list but it says "(make case-changes only)" in general options. Well, I > >want to do substantially more than make just case changes. > > > Then you have to create a new list that has the name you want. > > > >Right now it's > >coming out as "listname_hostname", > > > The _hostname part is cPanel. It is not in the list posting address, > but it is in the web interface. There's nothing you can do about it if > you use cPanel. > > > I want something more like "Company > >Name's special list". > > > That would not be a valid list name in any case. Keep in mind that the > list name is also the local part of its email address. > > It sounds like what you are really talking about is the list's > 'description' - "A terse phrase identifying this list." > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Sep 8 08:21:14 2008 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:21:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Availability of patches on Launchpad In-Reply-To: <20080907.221415.867.2@SERVER1> References: <20080907.221415.867.2@SERVER1> Message-ID: <6BAE5383-2BB4-4B15-B556-5A499B002100@openinfo.co.uk> On 7 Sep 2008, at 23:14, lists at viplist.us wrote: > Not sure what patches your are seeing, but right now there are zero > patches > on Launchpad and the are removed from Sourceforge. > > Having two different Mailman listings on Launchpad does not help, > either. > Only one has the pogram - but neither have any patches. > > https://launchpad.net/mailman/+download > > has the standard Mailman program. > > ~mailman has nothing. > > Where are you seeing any patches at all? > I found links to those of my older patches (two of them) that were transferred from the sourceforge tracker linked under the right menu heading "Bug attachments" on the following pages: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266553 - was 444879 on sourceforge https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266554 - was 444884 on sourceforge In essence these entire tracker items, including attachments, appear to have been transferred from sourceforge to Launchpad. The sourceforge tracker items for my other enhancements do not seem to have been transferred. I guess it is not intended that the old approach with sourceforge of putting enhancements into the tracker with patch files attached, should be followed with Launchpad. I expect someone is going to tell me I should create my own branches of Mailman on Launchpad for each of my enhancement and publish what were patch file contents in that way. When I have time I may do that but in the meantime ... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Barrett > To: mailman-users at python.org > Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:17:10 +0100 > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Availability of patches on Launchpad > >> If you are a user of patches I have published for Mailman in the past >> then read on. Otherwise, apologies for cluttering up your mailbox. >> >> In the recent switch from Sourceforge to Launchpad a number of the >> current patches that I publish for Mailman do not appear to have made >> the cut and are now unavailable from either Sourceforge or Launchpad. >> As far as I am aware none of the patches that did not make it have >> been incorporated into core Mailman but I am willing to be corrected >> on this. >> >> Subject to the usual caveat that I will only maintain it while I use >> it myself, I shall continue to publish my patches via: >> >> http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/index.html >> >> The tableau below summarise what I believe to be the case. >> >> Format of tableau is: >> >> SourceforgeNumber LaunchpadNumber Description >> >> - means unavailable on Launchpad >> >> made the cut >> >> 444879 266553 Archive indexer control to improve indexing. >> 444884 266554 Integration of Mailman & htdig for archive searching. >> >> did not make the cut >> >> 644797 - Revised mailer exit status. >> 760567 - Moderation request message content. >> 820723 - Mailman/pipermail/MHonarc integration >> 850805 - Aggressive anti email address harvesting measures >> 1442025 - List Specialisation for Support Groups >> 1483446 - Daily mbox files for list mbox archives >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> Richard Barrett http:// >> www.openinfo.co.uk >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% >> 40python.org/ >> Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lists% > 40viplist.us >> >> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 >> From turnbull at sk.tsukuba.ac.jp Mon Sep 8 11:36:29 2008 From: turnbull at sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:36:29 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Availability of patches on Launchpad In-Reply-To: <6BAE5383-2BB4-4B15-B556-5A499B002100@openinfo.co.uk> References: <20080907.221415.867.2@SERVER1> <6BAE5383-2BB4-4B15-B556-5A499B002100@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <87od2z0yjm.fsf@xemacs.org> Richard Barrett writes: > I guess it is not intended that the old approach with sourceforge of > putting enhancements into the tracker with patch files attached, > should be followed with Launchpad. I expect someone is going to tell > me I should create my own branches of Mailman on Launchpad for each > of my enhancement and publish what were patch file contents in that > way. I imagine that is the "preferred method" for *future* patches, but since Canonical is after World Domination Now (or at least a market share that requires units greater than nano-percents to measure), they had better not lose history this way. I advise you to assume that this is just a bug (albeit a rather distressing one) that will be fixed in due time, until somebody says otherwise. From david at johmar.com Mon Sep 8 14:25:31 2008 From: david at johmar.com (David Beaumont) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:25:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives Message-ID: We have had a lot of spams sent directly to our list members (i.e. not sent via mailman). All of them have subject headings taken from list emails already sent out genuinely via mailman. Almost all have our specific list prefix (but interesting not every one). Has anyone else had this recently (started 3rd Sept approx and the spammers listed from address has 'kiev' in it)? I can only think of 2 ways this has happened 1) Our public archives have been harvested by a spammer. This would account for the subject headings being used. Email addresses are displayed in the archives as, literally, 'name at domain.com' which is not immediately harvestable but wouldn't take much code to convert ' at ' to '@'. How do we make this more secure? I notice this list's archives are not standard mailman format! 2) One of our members PCs has been attacked and the subjects and email addresses taken from there. All our emails are delivered with the reply to address being the list but the originators email showing. This would account for a small number of the spams not having our list prefix in the subject heading (they would not have the prefix if stored in the sent box of the person that created the genuine message). However I would expect at least some members to report spam with entirely non list subjects from the same spammer. 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Reg=C3=ADstrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ --0-910632351-1220881949=:22767-- From mark at msapiro.net Mon Sep 8 16:47:32 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:47:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Availability of patches on Launchpad In-Reply-To: <87od2z0yjm.fsf@xemacs.org> Message-ID: Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >Richard Barrett writes: > > > I guess it is not intended that the old approach with sourceforge of > > putting enhancements into the tracker with patch files attached, > > should be followed with Launchpad. I expect someone is going to tell > > me I should create my own branches of Mailman on Launchpad for each > > of my enhancement and publish what were patch file contents in that > > way. > >I imagine that is the "preferred method" for *future* patches, but >since Canonical is after World Domination Now (or at least a market >share that requires units greater than nano-percents to measure), they >had better not lose history this way. I advise you to assume that >this is just a bug (albeit a rather distressing one) that will be >fixed in due time, until somebody says otherwise. Stephen is correct that this is a serious bug in the migration process. It was not intended that anything would be culled or lost in this process. It appears that the same problem existed in the "demo" that was announced last month ( and ), but it wasn't caught. Nothing is permanently lost as the SourceForge trackers still exist. They just aren't currently accessible by other than project members. Unfortunately, Barry may not yet be aware of this as at least yesterday, the primary MX for list.org was not working, but I'm confident that this problem will be fixed. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at python.org Mon Sep 8 17:37:55 2008 From: brad at python.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:37:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: References: <200809071627.m87GRBsA006890@julie.lostwells.net> Message-ID: <48C546D3.3030306@python.org> Khalil Abbas wrote: > and please, leave the type of mailing aside, if you're a non believer > don't offend other people, I didn't try to shove my beliefs into your > faces and I was really offended with what you said about religion.. I've seen the same sort of thing, and it doesn't really matter what religion you talk about -- zealotry is zealotry, and is equally unpleasant to deal with regardless of which specific flavour of zealotry you're having to deal with. There is much hatred and many wars that have been spawned by religious zealots over the last few thousand years, and even if the zealots in question are not advocating violence, the simple fact that they are zealots and pushing their beliefs on others is enough. It doesn't matter if they are Jehovah's Witnesses that are going door-to-door in the neighborhood, Hare Krishnas at the airport, or any other religious/ethnic sterotype. So, don't paint us with the same brush that you violently disagree with being used on you. We're not necessarily saying anything particular about your specific religion -- it's much more likely to be a general distaste for any kind of zealotry. -- Brad Knowles Member of the Python.org Postmaster Team & Co-Moderator of the mailman-users and mailman-developers mailing lists From d3v1ous at d3v1ous.info Mon Sep 8 09:33:53 2008 From: d3v1ous at d3v1ous.info (d3v1ous at d3v1ous.info) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:33:53 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem Message-ID: root at router:~# cat /etc/passwd | grep mailman root at router:~# I not have mailman user. root at router:~# cat /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py | grep MAILMAN MAILMAN_UID = 'list' MAILMAN_GID = 'daemon' MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman' root at router:~# I try to run mailman with postfix owned aliases but same problem. root at router:~# cd /var/lib/mailman/data root at router:/var/lib/mailman/data# ls -l total 36 -rw-r--r-- 1 postfix postfix 0 2008-09-04 10:40 aliases -rw-r--r-- 1 postfix postfix 12288 2008-09-04 10:40 aliases.db -rw-r--r-- 1 postfix postfix 89 2008-09-05 09:56 chown -rw-r--r-- 1 postfix postfix 10 2008-09-03 15:46 last_mailman_version -rw-r--r-- 1 postfix postfix 14114 2007-02-28 23:35 sitelist.cfg root at router:/var/lib/mailman/data# Howto see mailman run group, and howto change it? I dont want to change workgroup on postfix cuz i installed spamassassin and clamav, and if i make some changes on postfix the lastest software will not work. From mark at msapiro.net Mon Sep 8 18:18:13 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:18:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: wrote: >root at router:~# cat /etc/passwd | grep mailman >root at router:~# > >I not have mailman user. > >root at router:~# cat /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py | grep MAILMAN >MAILMAN_UID = 'list' >MAILMAN_GID = 'daemon' >MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman' >root at router:~# > >I try to run mailman with postfix owned aliases but same problem. What same problem? Why can't you post a coherent, self contained question instead of making me search the archives for your prior post and my reply at . >root at router:~# cd /var/lib/mailman/data >root at router:/var/lib/mailman/data# ls -l >total 36 >-rw-r--r-- 1 postfix postfix 0 2008-09-04 10:40 aliases >-rw-r--r-- 1 postfix postfix 12288 2008-09-04 10:40 aliases.db >-rw-r--r-- 1 postfix postfix 89 2008-09-05 09:56 chown >-rw-r--r-- 1 postfix postfix 10 2008-09-03 15:46 last_mailman_version >-rw-r--r-- 1 postfix postfix 14114 2007-02-28 23:35 sitelist.cfg >root at router:/var/lib/mailman/data# > >Howto see mailman run group, and howto change it? I dont want to change workgroup on postfix cuz i installed spamassassin and clamav, and if i make some changes on postfix the lastest software will not work. Your original group mismatch error in the original post said the expected group was 'daemon' and the actual group was 'nobody'. It looks like there are no actual aliases in /var/lib/mailman/data/ so where is Postfix getting your list aliases? Also, you should probably do cd /var/lib/mailman/data chown list:daemon * also, it's not clear what the file named 'chown' is. Its name is clearly a mistake, but whether it's a spurious creation or a spurious renaming of something else, I don't know. Now if Postfix were actually getting it's aliases from /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db, and if /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db were user:group list:daemon, one fix for your original group mismatch error would be to make the primary group of the 'list' user the 'daemon' group. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Mon Sep 8 18:53:11 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:53:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David Beaumont wrote: >We have had a lot of spams sent directly to our list members (i.e. not sent >via mailman). All of them have subject headings taken from list emails >already sent out genuinely via mailman. Almost all have our specific list >prefix (but interesting not every one). > >Has anyone else had this recently (started 3rd Sept approx and the spammers >listed from address has 'kiev' in it)? I have not seen it. >I can only think of 2 ways this has happened > >1) Our public archives have been harvested by a spammer. This would account >for the subject headings being used. Email addresses are displayed in the >archives as, literally, 'name at domain.com' which is not immediately >harvestable but wouldn't take much code to convert ' at ' to '@'. How do we >make this more secure? I notice this list's archives are not standard >mailman format! I assume by 'this list' you mean mailman-users at python.org. In what way are the archives "not standard"? It would take modifications to the mailman archiving code to change the obfuscation of email addresses. While it certainly would not be difficult for spammers to abuse your public archive in this way, I am a member of several Mailman lists with public archives and I post at least occasionally to them and I haven't received any spam like that you describe. >2) One of our members PCs has been attacked and the subjects and email >addresses taken from there. All our emails are delivered with the reply to >address being the list but the originators email showing. This would >account for a small number of the spams not having our list prefix in the >subject heading (they would not have the prefix if stored in the sent box of >the person that created the genuine message). However I would expect at >least some members to report spam with entirely non list subjects from the >same spammer. What you say above all seems correct to me. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From david at johmar.com Mon Sep 8 19:13:01 2008 From: david at johmar.com (David Beaumont) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:13:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > >I notice this list's archives are not standard > >mailman format! > > > I assume by 'this list' you mean mailman-users at python.org. In what way > are the archives "not standard"? Thanks I mean the archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Ours are at http://lists.shire.net/pipermail/dbamain/ On ours you will see the emails have the ' at ' obscuration. Yours don't seem to show the email in any form. How do we change to your format? David From brad at python.org Mon Sep 8 19:55:49 2008 From: brad at python.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:55:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C56725.3060506@python.org> David Beaumont wrote: >>> I notice this list's archives are not standard >>> mailman format! >> >> I assume by 'this list' you mean mailman-users at python.org. In what way >> are the archives "not standard"? > > Thanks I mean the archives at > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ We don't run those. Those are the official searchable archives, as provided by an approved third-party. You could do the same, if you like. Alternatively, you might consider using a piece of third-party archive software that runs on your own hardware. That's also discussed in the documentation. > Ours are at http://lists.shire.net/pipermail/dbamain/ > > On ours you will see the emails have the ' at ' obscuration. Yours don't > seem to show the email in any form. How do we change to your format? Contact the people at mail-archive.com and ask them to provide an external third-party archive for your lists. I don't know, but they might ask you to pay them some money, unless you're big enough that they want to provide that service to you for free. -- Brad Knowles Member of the Python.org Postmaster Team & Co-Moderator of the mailman-users and mailman-developers mailing lists From mark at msapiro.net Mon Sep 8 20:05:21 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:05:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam fromarchives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David Beaumont wrote: >> >I notice this list's archives are not standard >> >mailman format! >> >> >> I assume by 'this list' you mean mailman-users at python.org. In what way >> are the archives "not standard"? > >Thanks I mean the archives at >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >Ours are at http://lists.shire.net/pipermail/dbamain/ > >On ours you will see the emails have the ' at ' obscuration. Yours don't >seem to show the email in any form. How do we change to your format? Those are the 'searchable' archive at mail-archive.com. We also have the same pipermail archive as you at . If you want to have a mail-archive.com archive as your only public archive, go to for instructions on how to set up archiving for your list. Then see for how to import your existing archives/private/dbamain.mbox/dbamain.mbox archive. Finally, you can turn off local archiving for your list or make the archive private. Also, I note that going to requires authentication to your web server. If this is something new to stop spammers, OK, but it might be preferable to just make the archive private, but if this has been in effect for some time, it's not likely that spammers have accessed your archive. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Max.Lanfranconi at Sun.COM Mon Sep 8 20:12:45 2008 From: Max.Lanfranconi at Sun.COM (Max Lanfranconi) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:12:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserv archive import into mailman Message-ID: <48C56B1D.5030303@sun.com> Hi, I have googled this with little luck... :-( Is there anyone who attempted an archive import of listserv archives into mailman ? I am looking for any kind of pointers/hints/suggestions/successes/failures. How you did it, was it successful, any "gotcha' to be aware of ... Thanks in advance, Max From max at jcp.org Mon Sep 8 20:10:56 2008 From: max at jcp.org (Max Lanfranconi) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:10:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserv archives import ? Message-ID: <48C56AB0.5000804@jcp.org> Hi, I have googled this with little luck... :-( Is there anyone who attempted an archive import of listserv archives into mailman ? I am looking for any kind of pointers/hints/suggestions/successes/failures. How you did it, was it successful, any "gotcha' to be aware of ... Thanks in advance, Max From bjames at cisco.com Mon Sep 8 20:41:32 2008 From: bjames at cisco.com (Beau James) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with ISPs that blacklist by message volune? Message-ID: <200809081841.m88IfWn8022333@isbu-view13.cisco.com> Wondering whether anyone has suggestions for dealing with this situation. I run two mailing lists for coachess (577 members) and referees (377 members) in a local volunteer youth sports group. Not exactly large lists, and typically low traffic - 3 or 4 messages on a busy day, none at all most days. But occasionally, there will be a couple of back-to-back messages e.g. a question and reply. Because it is a local organization, the list members tend to have email addresses concentrated in a few ISP domains e.g "sbcglobal.net", "comcast.net" (plus a lot who use Yahoo or Gmail, of course). Last week and again last night, the ISP server that hosts our domain suddenly found itself on multiple blacklists. The trigger seems to be that some of our subscriber's ISP domans don't like "too many" incoming messages per hour from one originating domain. Example: SomeMember at sbcglobal.net Domain ayso45.org has exceeded the max emails per hour. Message discarded. Worse, some of these ISPs apparently report the domain and the IP address of the originating MTA to some of the blacklist siets. In very short order, we're dead. And so are all the other lists hosted on our ISPs server. Rate-limiting messages from an originating domain seems like a brain-dead anti-SPAM algorithm that makes discsussion lists unusable. Our hosting ISP tells me that we have to keep it under 60 *outbound* messages per hour to stay under these recipient ISP's radar, and has suggested using "phplist" to do so). At 60 messages per hour, a single message to our small lists would take 15 hours to be distributed (if the rate limiting is global and not per recipient domain). How are other's dealing with this? Thanks, Beau From brian at emwd.com Mon Sep 8 20:56:30 2008 From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:56:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with ISPs that blacklist by message volune? In-Reply-To: <200809081841.m88IfWn8022333@isbu-view13.cisco.com> References: <200809081841.m88IfWn8022333@isbu-view13.cisco.com> Message-ID: <00b701c911e4$9c576a40$d5063ec0$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org [mailto:mailman- > users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Beau James > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:42 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with ISPs that blacklist by message > volune? > > Wondering whether anyone has suggestions for dealing with this > situation. > > I run two mailing lists for coachess (577 members) and referees > (377 members) in a local volunteer youth sports group. Not exactly > large lists, and typically low traffic - 3 or 4 messages on a busy > day, none at all most days. But occasionally, there will be a couple > of back-to-back messages e.g. a question and reply. > > Because it is a local organization, the list members tend to have > email addresses concentrated in a few ISP domains e.g "sbcglobal.net", > "comcast.net" (plus a lot who use Yahoo or Gmail, of course). > > Last week and again last night, the ISP server that hosts our domain > suddenly found itself on multiple blacklists. > > The trigger seems to be that some of our subscriber's ISP domans don't > like "too many" incoming messages per hour from one originating domain. > Example: > > SomeMember at sbcglobal.net > Domain ayso45.org has exceeded the max emails per hour. Message > discarded. > > Worse, some of these ISPs apparently report the domain and the IP > address > of the originating MTA to some of the blacklist siets. In very short > order, > we're dead. And so are all the other lists hosted on our ISPs server. > > Rate-limiting messages from an originating domain seems like a brain- > dead > anti-SPAM algorithm that makes discsussion lists unusable. Our hosting > ISP tells me that we have to keep it under 60 *outbound* messages per > hour > to stay under these recipient ISP's radar, and has suggested using > "phplist" > to do so). At 60 messages per hour, a single message to our small > lists > would take 15 hours to be distributed (if the rate limiting is global > and > not per recipient domain). > > How are other's dealing with this? > > Thanks, > > Beau Hi Beau: We do not rate limit our mailman clients and we rarely have any black list problems. When it does happen, it is usually with a single ISP and the issue is resolved within 24 hours. However this is very rare and all of our mailman clients are very happy with our service. We also make sure we have spf, domainkeys, and ptr records in place which generally keeps the major ISPs happy. We also configure our mailman server to send no more than 15 messages per smtp connection which seems to please most isps. We have one discussion list (medical software) that has over 3100 members that ends up sending over a 100,000 messages in a typical 8 hour day and this particular server has NEVER been blacklisted. I don't agree with your hosting provider's recommendation at all. If you are interested you can check our mailman service out at http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html. Have a great day and I hope your list problems work out. Mailman is a fantastic program. Don't let your hosting provider give it a bad rap. Regards, Brian -------------------------------------- EMWD.com - 'Powered by Techies' Blog.emwd.com - "Curious comments from a web hosting techie" From billc_lists at greenbuilder.com Mon Sep 8 21:15:57 2008 From: billc_lists at greenbuilder.com (Bill Christensen) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:15:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 6:13 PM +0100 9/8/08, David Beaumont wrote: > > >I notice this list's archives are not standard >> >mailman format! >> >> >> I assume by 'this list' you mean mailman-users at python.org. In what way >> are the archives "not standard"? > >Thanks I mean the archives at >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >Ours are at http://lists.shire.net/pipermail/dbamain/ > >On ours you will see the emails have the ' at ' obscuration. Yours don't >seem to show the email in any form. How do we change to your format? > >David > At a quick glance it doesn't look like it would be all too terribly difficult to change. When I was using Mhonarc for the archives on one of my lists (before moving to Mailman last spring), I had a script that would change "user at domain.com" to" user at ...". If I recall, it simply used a regex that looked for characters followed by an @ followed by more characters. It then replaced everything from the @ to the next space with "...". It appears that the code which does the obfuscation is in ($prefix)/Mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py between lines 280 and 290 in 2.1.11. (I'm sure someone will correct me if that's wrong info) -- Bill Christensen Green Building Professionals Directory: Sustainable Building Calendar: Green Real Estate: Straw Bale Registry: Books/videos/software: From david at johmar.com Mon Sep 8 21:19:27 2008 From: david at johmar.com (David Beaumont) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:19:27 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives In-Reply-To: <1399.12.32.10.83.1220900412.squirrel@outsideventure.com> References: <1399.12.32.10.83.1220900412.squirrel@outsideventure.com> Message-ID: <8C01836CE3004DB8BFD9A988D2EA76E2@FastFred> Thanks is this still the case at http://lists.shire.net/pipermail/dbamain/ ? We have just put a password on so I am hoping that will stop robots too. David > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul [mailto:opensource at unixoses.com] > Sent: 08 September 2008 20:00 > To: David Beaumont > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses > for spam from archives > > It helps to disallow but the site is allowing. So possible > some engines > will bot the whole site: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/robots.txt > > > On Mon, September 8, 2008 8:25 am, David Beaumont wrote: > > We have had a lot of spams sent directly to our list > members (i.e. not > > sent > > via mailman). All of them have subject headings taken from > list emails > > already sent out genuinely via mailman. Almost all have > our specific list > > prefix (but interesting not every one). > > > > Has anyone else had this recently (started 3rd Sept approx and the > > spammers > > listed from address has 'kiev' in it)? > > > > I can only think of 2 ways this has happened > > > > 1) Our public archives have been harvested by a spammer. This would > > account > > for the subject headings being used. Email addresses are > displayed in the > > archives as, literally, 'name at domain.com' which is not > immediately > > harvestable but wouldn't take much code to convert ' at ' > to '@'. How do > > we > > make this more secure? I notice this list's archives are > not standard > > mailman format! > > > > 2) One of our members PCs has been attacked and the > subjects and email > > addresses taken from there. All our emails are delivered > with the reply > > to > > address being the list but the originators email showing. > This would > > account for a small number of the spams not having our list > prefix in the > > subject heading (they would not have the prefix if stored > in the sent box > > of > > the person that created the genuine message). However I > would expect at > > least some members to report spam with entirely non list > subjects from the > > same spammer. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > Unsubscribe: > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/opensourc > e%40unixoses.com > > > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > > > > From opensource at unixoses.com Mon Sep 8 21:00:12 2008 From: opensource at unixoses.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam from archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1399.12.32.10.83.1220900412.squirrel@outsideventure.com> It helps to disallow but the site is allowing. So possible some engines will bot the whole site: http://www.mail-archive.com/robots.txt On Mon, September 8, 2008 8:25 am, David Beaumont wrote: > We have had a lot of spams sent directly to our list members (i.e. not > sent > via mailman). All of them have subject headings taken from list emails > already sent out genuinely via mailman. Almost all have our specific list > prefix (but interesting not every one). > > Has anyone else had this recently (started 3rd Sept approx and the > spammers > listed from address has 'kiev' in it)? > > I can only think of 2 ways this has happened > > 1) Our public archives have been harvested by a spammer. This would > account > for the subject headings being used. Email addresses are displayed in the > archives as, literally, 'name at domain.com' which is not immediately > harvestable but wouldn't take much code to convert ' at ' to '@'. How do > we > make this more secure? I notice this list's archives are not standard > mailman format! > > 2) One of our members PCs has been attacked and the subjects and email > addresses taken from there. All our emails are delivered with the reply > to > address being the list but the originators email showing. This would > account for a small number of the spams not having our list prefix in the > subject heading (they would not have the prefix if stored in the sent box > of > the person that created the genuine message). However I would expect at > least some members to report spam with entirely non list subjects from the > same spammer. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/opensource%40unixoses.com > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > From mark at msapiro.net Mon Sep 8 21:33:14 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:33:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam fromarchives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill Christensen wrote: > >It appears that the code which does the obfuscation is in >($prefix)/Mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py between lines 280 and >290 in 2.1.11. (I'm sure someone will correct me if that's wrong info) That's one place. There are several others for addresses in the message body, the subject, the index page, etc. They are all in Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py, but look at the code around all six occurrences of if mm_cfg.ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS: -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From david at johmar.com Mon Sep 8 21:33:36 2008 From: david at johmar.com (David Beaumont) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:33:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spam fromarchives In-Reply-To: <8C01836CE3004DB8BFD9A988D2EA76E2@FastFred> References: <1399.12.32.10.83.1220900412.squirrel@outsideventure.com> <8C01836CE3004DB8BFD9A988D2EA76E2@FastFred> Message-ID: <3F0AFD21C1E5417FA30BEE81A3384F0C@FastFred> I've just checked myself and the HTML source still seems to allow robots: on each message and on the index page. I would want noindex and nofollow on both pages. Changing to private archives doesn't seem to make any difference to that, does it only apply to new archiving? The help is a bit vague here, does public mean the data is prepared for public posting (emails obscufacted) and private mean they are not, or does private mean they are not put on the web? i.e. which of private and public is actually the most secure? Also search engines still seem to be able to see the data e.g. type "neoprene site:lists.shire.net/pipermail/dbamain/ " into Google, maybe this will go in a few days? David > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+david=johmar.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+david=johmar.com at python.org] On > Behalf Of David Beaumont > Sent: 08 September 2008 20:19 > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses > for spam fromarchives > > Thanks is this still the case at > http://lists.shire.net/pipermail/dbamain/ > ? We have just put a password on so I am hoping that will > stop robots too. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul [mailto:opensource at unixoses.com] > > Sent: 08 September 2008 20:00 > > To: David Beaumont > > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses > > for spam from archives > > > > It helps to disallow but the site is allowing. So possible > > some engines > > will bot the whole site: > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/robots.txt > > From Max.Lanfranconi at Sun.COM Mon Sep 8 22:01:43 2008 From: Max.Lanfranconi at Sun.COM (Max Lanfranconi) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:01:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserv archives import ? In-Reply-To: <48C5705E.6020803@bates.edu> References: <48C56AB0.5000804@jcp.org> <48C5705E.6020803@bates.edu> Message-ID: <48C584A7.3070306@sun.com> Karen, Thanks for you email. Are you sure that this was a listserv migration ? Looks more like a Majordomo migration. In fact, I cannot match my directory hierarchy to yours. Thanks anyway... Max Karen R McArthur wrote: > **Information listed in here is not guaranteed - it worked for us** > > We did the following 2 step procedure: > > perl mboxConvert.sh **perl script attached** > /usr/lib/mailman/bin/arch > > Karen R. McArthur > Systems Administrator > Information and Library Services, Bates College > Lewiston, Maine 04240 USA > ph:(207)786-8236 fax:(207)786-6057 > > If you find that everybody else is right and you're wrong, > it might just be that you're thinking outside the box. The > world is yet to catch up. > > Max Lanfranconi wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have googled this with little luck... :-( >> >> Is there anyone who attempted an archive import of listserv archives >> into mailman ? >> >> I am looking for any kind of >> pointers/hints/suggestions/successes/failures. >> >> How you did it, was it successful, any "gotcha' to be aware of ... >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Max >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> Unsubscribe: >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kmcarthu%40bates.edu >> >> >> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 From mark at msapiro.net Mon Sep 8 22:03:49 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:03:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spamfromarchives In-Reply-To: <3F0AFD21C1E5417FA30BEE81A3384F0C@FastFred> Message-ID: David Beaumont wrote: >I've just checked myself and the HTML source still seems to allow robots: > on each message and NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> on the index page. I would want >noindex and nofollow on both pages. The META tags say don't 'index' the index pages themselves, but follow the links to the messages, and on the message pages 'index' the contents, but don't follow links. This is appropriate for a public archive. Presumably you want people to be able to search for and find stuff in a public archive. >Changing to private archives doesn't seem to make any difference to that, >does it only apply to new archiving? The help is a bit vague here, does >public mean the data is prepared for public posting (emails obscufacted) >and private mean they are not, or does private mean they are not put on the >web? i.e. which of private and public is actually the most secure? If the archive is private, it can only be accessed by logging in. The 'pipermail' URL doesn't work and access is via the 'private' CGI which requires login with list member email address and password. It won't change the META tags, but they will be irrelevant since robots can't log in and access the pages. Email obfuscation has nothing to do with public/private. It depends solely on the setting on ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py. If an archive is public, archive URLs are of the form http://example.com/pipermail/list/ and anyone can access them. If an archive is private, the URL form becomes http://example.com/mailman/private/list/ and login is required to access the archive. The 'private' URL will work with a public archive, but still requires login. The 'pipermail' URL will not work with a private archive. Switching an archive from public to private changes the archive URL on the listinfo page and removes the list's symlink(s) from archives/public/ (which the pipermail alias depends on). Switching from private to public does the reverse. Private archives are accessable only to list members by login with their email address and list password, or to list admins/moderators with the list admin/moderator password. They are as secure as the passwords. They will not be accessed by spambots or search engine web crawlers because those can't log in. >Also search engines still seem to be able to see the data e.g. type >"neoprene site:lists.shire.net/pipermail/dbamain/ " into Google, maybe this >will go in a few days? Your requiring of web server authentication to accesss the public archive will keep all the robots out, but it will be much longer than a few days before their existing indexing of your archive and cached pages go away, but they won't be getting any new posts in the mean time. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Mon Sep 8 22:29:19 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:29:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserv archives import ? In-Reply-To: <48C584A7.3070306@sun.com> Message-ID: Max, You may get some response from this list from someone who's done this migration, but basically, you have to pursue this from the Listserv(r) side. Mailman can only import archives which are in *nix mbox format. The tools to do this are bin/cleanarch - to check for/fix unescaped "From " lines in message bodies in mbox files bin/arch - to build a pipermail archive from a mbox file or add messages from a mbox to an archive. If Listserv(r) can export its archives as a mbox, you should be close. If not, you will need to figure how to get the Listserv(r) archives into a mbox. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From david at johmar.com Tue Sep 9 01:29:15 2008 From: david at johmar.com (David Beaumont) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:29:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting of email addresses for spamfromarchives In-Reply-To: References: <3F0AFD21C1E5417FA30BEE81A3384F0C@FastFred> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] > The META tags say don't 'index' the index pages themselves, but follow > the links to the messages, and on the message pages 'index' the > contents, but don't follow links. > > This is appropriate for a public archive. Presumably you want > people to > be able to search for and find stuff in a public archive. > Yes I understand the metatag. What we want is no emails available to the public where our members email address can easily be worked out. We achieve this very well through Nabble and their archive of our mail - www.bargeforum.org. We have never found the mailman archives very user friendly, quite basic in fact. So in this case we want nofollow and noindex. The public can search our public Nabble archives as much as they want. > If the archive is private, it can only be accessed by logging in. The > 'pipermail' URL doesn't work and access is via the 'private' CGI which > requires login with list member email address and password. > > It won't change the META tags, but they will be irrelevant > since robots > can't log in and access the pages. > > Email obfuscation has nothing to do with public/private. Thanks for explaining that, it was my only concern about going private. The mailman help is not clear on this and I had not noticed the move to a passworded directory because every time I changed to private I had to be already logged in to make the change. Now logging in, making the change, logging out and testing has made it clear how it works. The great thing about mailman is support like this. But as our archive gets bigger and more useful, mailman's basic interface does fall shorter and shorter. Thanks David From david at midrange.com Tue Sep 9 02:17:01 2008 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:17:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with ISPs that blacklist by message volune? In-Reply-To: <200809081841.m88IfWn8022333@isbu-view13.cisco.com> References: <200809081841.m88IfWn8022333@isbu-view13.cisco.com> Message-ID: <48C5C07D.9080606@midrange.com> Beau James wrote: > The trigger seems to be that some of our subscriber's ISP domans don't > like "too many" incoming messages per hour from one originating domain. > Worse, some of these ISPs apparently report the domain and the IP address > of the originating MTA to some of the blacklist siets. In very short order, > we're dead. And so are all the other lists hosted on our ISPs server. I've had issues with some ISP's rate limiting deliveries (small ISP's, not the major ones) ... but *NONE* of them have ever submitted any of my IP's to a RBL site. Perhaps something else is going on? Have you checked your outbound port 25 traffic to make sure all the traffic is yours? david -- IBM i on Power -- For when you can't afford to be out of business. From stephen at xemacs.org Tue Sep 9 05:29:39 2008 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:29:39 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management .. In-Reply-To: <48C546D3.3030306@python.org> References: <200809071627.m87GRBsA006890@julie.lostwells.net> <48C546D3.3030306@python.org> Message-ID: <87ej3u0zfg.fsf@xemacs.org> Brad Knowles writes: > Khalil Abbas wrote: > > > and please, leave the type of mailing aside, if you're a non believer > > don't offend other people, I didn't try to shove my beliefs into your > > faces and I was really offended with what you said about religion.. > > I've seen the same sort of thing, and it doesn't really matter what > religion you talk about -- zealotry is zealotry, True enough, and zealous atheists/agnostics can get just as bad, too, but let's drop this. We don't know that it didn't happen as he said, and it's just a popular service that grows by the day. Even if he *is* spamming or "pushing content out of zealotry", well, he'll find out what the world thinks of that soon enough, and we've done our best to warn him. Sure, it will have some effect on Mailman's rep (or would have, if he hadn't decided to switch to something else), but that kind of blowback does happen. That's why even the BSD and MIT licenses have warranty disclaimers in them. Not that that will stop a lawyer from suing if they think they can frighten you into paying up, nor will it stop the ignorant from blaming Mailman for the spammers' sins. We just need to get used to it. For the future, I think it's reasonable to tell people "what you're doing smells like spamming (or whatever) to me", and tell them what happens to hosts that smell of spam. If they deny spamming, and get all self-righteous about the stench, too, then it's on their own heads. And of course it's up to each Mailman user to decide whether they believe that person, and help them (or not) with what they're doing. Isn't it? From hone+mailman at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Tue Sep 9 19:00:51 2008 From: hone+mailman at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (hone+mailman at oak.cats.ohiou.edu) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:00:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of members question Message-ID: <789EEB3C7A0FC2B97BF26D1B@OHIO-87C67B454B.cns.ohiou.edu> Is there a way for a list owner to see all subscribers of a list on one web page? One list has 140 members. Or can a list be requested via email? I know that I, as listserv admin, can get this list via the gui. Don Hone Ohio University From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 9 20:07:29 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:07:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of members question In-Reply-To: <789EEB3C7A0FC2B97BF26D1B@OHIO-87C67B454B.cns.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: hone+mailman at oak.cats.ohiou.edu wrote: >Is there a way for a list owner to see all subscribers of a list on one web >page? One list has 140 members. Or can a list be requested via email? > >I know that I, as listserv admin, can get this list via the gui. See the FAQ article at . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From michael_lynn at ml.com Tue Sep 9 19:59:55 2008 From: michael_lynn at ml.com (Lynn, Michael (GWM-CAI)) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:59:55 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of members question In-Reply-To: <789EEB3C7A0FC2B97BF26D1B@OHIO-87C67B454B.cns.ohiou.edu> References: <789EEB3C7A0FC2B97BF26D1B@OHIO-87C67B454B.cns.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: I had a similar requirement and created a script that I run via cron to dump the subscribers to all lists into an html page. The script creates anchors for each list - so if you wanted, you could create a links by list. For example... Foo List Subscribers Here's the script: --- #!/bin/sh # mlynn 06-24-2008 # dump subscribers by list to a web accessible page # echo "ML MAILMAN MAILING LIST MEMBERSHIP INFORMATION" > /var/www/html/lists/members/index.html echo "

Mailman Mailing List Membership Information Page

" >> /var/www/html/lists/members/index.html echo "

This page lists the subscribership of each of the Mailing Lists hosted on the Mailing List Server


" >> /var/www/html/lists/members/index.html echo "

" >> /var/www/html/lists/members/index.html date >> /var/www/html/lists/members/index.html echo "

" >> /var/www/html/lists/members/index.html for ii in `/var/mailman/bin/list_lists -b`; do mkdir -p /var/www/html/lists/members echo "

$ii Subscribers

" >> /var/www/html/lists/members/index.html echo "
" >> /var/www/html/lists/members/index.html for jj in `/var/mailman/bin/list_members $ii`; do echo "$jj
" >> /var/www/html/lists/members/index.html done echo "
" >> /var/www/html/lists/members/index.html done --- Here's the cron: * 12 * * * /var/mailman/bin/create_members_info.sh > /dev/null 2>&1 --- Works for me, ymmv. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+michael_lynn=ml.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+michael_lynn=ml.com at python.org] On Behalf Of hone+mailman at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:01 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of members question Is there a way for a list owner to see all subscribers of a list on one web page? One list has 140 members. Or can a list be requested via email? I know that I, as listserv admin, can get this list via the gui. Don Hone Ohio University ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/michael_lynn%40ml.c om Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 -------------------------------------------------------- This message w/attachments (message) may be privileged, confidential or proprietary, and if you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, do not use or share it and delete it. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Merrill Lynch. 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I'd like to know, whether there's any way to change the way Mailman builds its own aliases file, for using with Postfix. I'd like to get test at lists.mydomain.com: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test" etc.. instead of: test: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test" etc... Thanks for your help! regards, Peter From zipfel at greenacrestechnology.com Tue Sep 9 20:28:32 2008 From: zipfel at greenacrestechnology.com (Krystal Zipfel) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:28:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of members question In-Reply-To: <789EEB3C7A0FC2B97BF26D1B@OHIO-87C67B454B.cns.ohiou.edu> References: <789EEB3C7A0FC2B97BF26D1B@OHIO-87C67B454B.cns.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: Hi! You can send an e-mail to: listname-request@ With the word "who" and then your administrative password for the list in the subject line. The caveat there is if there are any hidden members, they will not return. AFAIK, you cannot change how many subscribers are shown in the administration interface as Mailman comes out of the package. --Krystal On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:00 PM, > wrote: > Is there a way for a list owner to see all subscribers of a list on one web > page? One list has 140 members. Or can a list be requested via email? > > I know that I, as listserv admin, can get this list via the gui. > > Don Hone > > Ohio University > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/zipfel%40greenacrestechnology.com > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > > From casterln at nature.berkeley.edu Tue Sep 9 20:24:23 2008 From: casterln at nature.berkeley.edu (Gary Casterline) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:24:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] accept these non members: @listname not working Message-ID: <48C6BF57.6050806@nature.berkeley.edu> Hi, I take care of some list housed on an ISP that's running Mailman 2.1.11. The feature to include lists in the privacy/sender/accept these nonmembers box is *apparently* there (the html help link describes the feature at least), however, folks who are members of the specified @listname are being held for approval with reason: "post by non member" I hope someone can help me figure out why this is happening. Thanks, _Gary From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 9 20:38:06 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:38:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of members question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Krystal Zipfel wrote: > >You can send an e-mail to: > > listname-request@ > >With the word "who" and then your administrative password for the list in >the subject line. The caveat there is if there are any hidden members, they >will not return. No longer true as of Mailman 2.1.10 if you authenticate with the list admin or moderator password. > >AFAIK, you cannot change how many subscribers are shown in the >administration interface as Mailman comes out of the package. As of Mailman 2.1.10 you can. The setting is admin_member_chunksize on General Options. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 9 20:52:10 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:52:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] change alias file structure? In-Reply-To: <864e0d3b0809090317m56f5d3f3i1857bb302c22b4fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter Molnar wrote: > >I'd like to know, whether there's any way to change the way Mailman builds >its own aliases file, for using with Postfix. You'd need to modify Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py >I'd like to get > >test at lists.mydomain.com: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post >test" >etc.. That's not a valid Postfix alias. Note from 'man 5 aliases' ? An alias definition has the form name: value1, value2, ... ... The name is a local address (no domain part). >instead of: > >test: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test" >etc... Are you sure you don't want virtual_alias_maps with test at lists.mydomain.com test etc. along with alias_maps test: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test" etc... To do this, you add POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.mydomain.com'] to mm_cfg.py and then mailman will create data/virtual-mailman with the virtual maps for all lists in the lists.mydomain.com domain. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 9 21:10:06 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:10:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] accept these non members: @listname not working In-Reply-To: <48C6BF57.6050806@nature.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: Gary Casterline wrote: > >I take care of some list housed on an ISP that's running Mailman 2.1.11. >The feature to include lists in the privacy/sender/accept these >nonmembers box is *apparently* there (the html help link describes the >feature at least), however, folks who are members of the specified >@listname are being held for approval with reason: "post by non member" What Mailman version is this (from the lower left of a web page)? If it just says 2.1.11, that won't help us much, but if it has additional notations like 2.1.11-1 or 2.1.11cp1, that says it's someones package which may have issues with this feature. In particular, if it's cPanel (cp following the release) this feature may not play well with their listname munging. I.e. you may need to use @listname_hostname insteat of @listname. Other than packager or ISP mods, the only thing that might affect this is the mm_cfg.py setting USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER. If this is Yes, a Sender: header in the message will take precedence over From: in determining who the poster is, but this is unlikely to be the reason except occasionally. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Daniel.A.Ojo at noaa.gov Tue Sep 9 21:34:36 2008 From: Daniel.A.Ojo at noaa.gov (Daniel Ojo) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:34:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Senddigest error on list Message-ID: <48C6CFCC.4080706@noaa.gov> Hi, Has anyone come across this error message. I am getting this error message on one of my lists. I have google and can't come up with anything substantial. # /usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main mlist.send_digest_now() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 132, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 306, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 262, in process size = len(payload) TypeError: len() of unsized object Any help would be greatly appreciated. From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 9 23:02:44 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:02:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Senddigest error on list In-Reply-To: <48C6CFCC.4080706@noaa.gov> Message-ID: Daniel Ojo wrote: > >Has anyone come across this error message. I am getting this error >message on one of my lists. >I have google and can't come up with anything substantial. > ># /usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? > main() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main > mlist.send_digest_now() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now > ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 132, in >send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 306, in >send_i18n_digests > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 262, in process > size = len(payload) >TypeError: len() of unsized object This looks like Mailman 2.1.5 (or earlier). The current release is 2.1.11. This particular error was fixed in 2.1.6 with the attached Scrubber.patch.txt. The comments in the patch may help you find and fix the offending message in the lists/listname/digest.mbox, or you can just apply the patch and restart Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Scrubber.patch.txt URL: From casterln at nature.berkeley.edu Wed Sep 10 00:40:47 2008 From: casterln at nature.berkeley.edu (Gary Casterline) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:40:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] accept these non members: @listname not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C6FB6F.1080103@nature.berkeley.edu> Mark Sapiro wrote: > Gary Casterline wrote: >> I take care of some list housed on an ISP that's running Mailman 2.1.11. >> The feature to include lists in the privacy/sender/accept these >> nonmembers box is *apparently* there (the html help link describes the >> feature at least), however, folks who are members of the specified >> @listname are being held for approval with reason: "post by non member" > > > What Mailman version is this (from the lower left of a web page)? If it > just says 2.1.11, that won't help us much, but if it has additional > notations like 2.1.11-1 or 2.1.11cp1, that says it's someones package > which may have issues with this feature. > > In particular, if it's cPanel (cp following the release) this feature > may not play well with their listname munging. I.e. you may need to > use @listname_hostname insteat of @listname. > > Other than packager or ISP mods, the only thing that might affect this > is the mm_cfg.py setting USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER. If this is Yes, a > Sender: header in the message will take precedence over From: in > determining who the poster is, but this is unlikely to be the reason > except occasionally. > Turned out the list names were munged slightly -- I needed to append a string: -hostname to each listname. I figured this out by using your mailman-subscribers.py script. Thanks. _Gary From Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au Wed Sep 10 01:46:00 2008 From: Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au (Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:16:00 +0930 Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest message modification Message-ID: Hello, Is there any way to strip out certain headers/lines from a message being shown in a digest format? My clients are trying to present their information as directly as possible and they would like to remove certain bits. Today's Topics: 1. Test message (Mainframe Services Change Notification Mailing List) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:59:09 +0930 From: Mainframe Services Change Notification Mailing List Subject: [Change_Notification] Test message To: change_notification at lists.nt.gov.au Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ... I think they would like to see lines like Content-type and Message-ID removed as it may confuse their audience. Regards, Alan Rubin Technician Unix DCS Midrange Services Phone: +61 (08) 8999 6814 Fax: +61 (08) 8999 7493 e-Mail: alan.rubin at nt.gov.au From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 10 02:32:29 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:32:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest message modification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote: > >Is there any way to strip out certain headers/lines from a message being shown >in a digest format? See the settings MIME_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS and PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS in defaults.py. You can copy PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS omitting Message-ID and Content-Type and put the rest in mm_cfg.py. E.g. PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS = [ 'Message', 'Date', 'From', 'Subject', 'To', 'Cc', 'Keywords', ] Do not remove Content-Type from MIME_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS as that will destroy the MIME format of the digest. People should only be selecting the MIME format digest if their MUAs understand MIME (these days almost all do) in which case they won't be seeing the actual Content-Type header anyway. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au Wed Sep 10 02:59:40 2008 From: Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au (Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:29:40 +0930 Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest message modification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark, Is there a way to do this on a per-list basis? From the web interface or from the command line? Regards, Alan Rubin Technician Unix DCS Midrange Services Phone: +61 (08) 8999 6814 Fax: +61 (08) 8999 7493 e-Mail: alan.rubin at nt.gov.au Mark Sapiro Sent by: To mailman-users-bounc Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au, es+alan.rubin=nt.go mailman-users at python.org v.au at python.org cc Subject 10/09/2008 10:02 AM Re: [Mailman-Users] digest message modification Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote: > >Is there any way to strip out certain headers/lines from a message being shown >in a digest format? See the settings MIME_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS and PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS in defaults.py. You can copy PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS omitting Message-ID and Content-Type and put the rest in mm_cfg.py. E.g. PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS = [ 'Message', 'Date', 'From', 'Subject', 'To', 'Cc', 'Keywords', ] Do not remove Content-Type from MIME_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS as that will destroy the MIME format of the digest. People should only be selecting the MIME format digest if their MUAs understand MIME (these days almost all do) in which case they won't be seeing the actual Content-Type header anyway. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/alan.rubin%40nt.gov.au Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 10 03:23:59 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:23:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest message modification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote: > >Is there a way to do this on a per-list basis? From the web interface or from >the command line? Not without modifying the code to implement a per-list setting. >Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote: >> >>Is there any way to strip out certain headers/lines from a message being shown >>in a digest format? > > >See the settings MIME_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS and PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS >in defaults.py. > >You can copy PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS omitting Message-ID and >Content-Type and put the rest in mm_cfg.py. E.g. > >PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS = [ > 'Message', 'Date', 'From', > 'Subject', 'To', 'Cc', > 'Keywords', > ] > >Do not remove Content-Type from MIME_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS as that will >destroy the MIME format of the digest. People should only be selecting >the MIME format digest if their MUAs understand MIME (these days >almost all do) in which case they won't be seeing the actual >Content-Type header anyway. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From rachel at longitude0.co.uk Wed Sep 10 12:58:32 2008 From: rachel at longitude0.co.uk (Rachel Mawhood) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:58:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080801094241.01f93008@longitude0.co.uk> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080910114847.052ffb50@longitude0.co.uk> Our list welcome message was sent out to the members by the Secretary yesterday but he sent it as an ordinary mailman@ message and it didn't contain any password in it. We'll have to send another, additional, message, just to get the passwords generated, but I will have to give the Secretary a description of how to do this. Ie 1. Log into Mailman control panel 2. Scroll down the General Options to "List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message" 3. Enter any text to be sent in the message as well as the password 4. ? 5. ? I'd be grateful for help with the rest of this. You'll remember that all the members were subscribed by the Secretary - they didn't subscribe themselves - I can't see how to create and send a welcome message (or a "reminder" message) that includes passwords (ie that the Mailman program recognises as THE welcome message and so will include the passwords). Hope this makes sense. Rachel At 17:05 01/08/2008, Mark Sapiro wrote: >Rachel Mawhood wrote: > > > >Obviously, we can't give 400-plus people the Admin or Moderator > >passwords so that they can view the Archives. Is there a way of > >having a third password, which we can give to the membership (and > >reset from time to time), to enable members to view the Archives? > > >The admin and moderator passwords work (even without email address) for >accessing the archives, but each list member (including admins and >moderators if they are also members) has her/his own list password. In >your subscription scenario, the password is randomly generated. It >will be mailed to the member in the list welcome message, and unless >disabled by the list or the user, the user will receive a monthly >email reminder. > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 10 16:56:53 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:56:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080910114847.052ffb50@longitude0.co.uk> Message-ID: Rachel Mawhood wrote: >Our list welcome message was sent out to the members by the Secretary >yesterday but he sent it as an ordinary mailman@ message and it >didn't contain any password in it. We'll have to send another, >additional, message, just to get the passwords generated, but I will >have to give the Secretary a description of how to do this. Ie Once a person is a list member, you can't send another "welcome" message without unsubscribing and resubscribing the member. You can send a password reminder to everyone on the list by first making sure that "Send monthly password reminders?" on the General Options page is set to Yes and then from a shell, running Mailman's cron/mailpasswds -l listname To ensure the welcome is sent when doing mass subscribes in the future >1. Log into Mailman control panel >2. Scroll down the General Options to "List-specific text prepended >to new-subscriber welcome message" >3. Enter any text to be sent in the message as well as the password 3. Optionally enter any additional, list specific text to be sent along with the standard welcome message - this is a one time step. 4. Make sure that "Send welcome message to newly subscribed members?" is set to Yes - this is a one time step. 5. When using Membership Management... -> Mass Subscription to add members, make sure that "Send welcome messages to new subscribees?" is set to Yes. This will be the default if step 4 was done. >I'd be grateful for help with the rest of this. You'll remember that >all the members were subscribed by the Secretary - they didn't >subscribe themselves - I can't see how to create and send a welcome >message (or a "reminder" message) that includes passwords (ie that >the Mailman program recognises as THE welcome message and so will >include the passwords). Mailman is not going to add the members password to any ordinary message. The only messages to the user that contain the password are the actual Mailman generated list welcome message, the password reminders sent from cron/maillpasswds (normally run monthly on the 1st by cron) and a user requested password reminder from the user options login page. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. 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I have a relay machine which accepts the message and does antivirus checks etc which is my main mailhub on the end of a DSL line. This relays to a Debian machine running Mailman 2.1.11 and Exim4 as the mail receiver. This is using the Exim4 and Mailman howto on the Exim website - that is, using transports and routers in the Exim configuration to work out the Mailman lists, and piping to the Mailman receiver I have tracked the message going through the main relay, and to the Exim machine. I can see it going through the Mailman transport, but nothing after this: (names changed to protect the innocent) 2008-09-08 16:45:56 1Kciw8-0003PY-35 <= SRS0=FU6r=ZS=domain.com=username at srs.per fora.net H=gollum.hodgsonfamily.org [81.2.105.210] P=esmtp S=4728 id=C6C9F90C58A 0864585D0B51A8EF1C87434F58308 at winxbeus07-r.exchange.xchg 2008-09-08 16:45:56 1Kciw8-0003PY-35 => blind-sysadmins R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport 2008-09-08 16:45:56 1Kciw8-0003PY-35 Completed I have checked files in /var/lib/mailman/logs and there is nothing shown for that time. Any ideas? Thanks. Andrew. From carloswill at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 20:51:19 2008 From: carloswill at gmail.com (Carlos Williams) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:51:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable To Correct Errors (Debian) Message-ID: I just installed Mailman on my Debian mail server and am following the guide however I used my package installer to install Mailman. I did not build from source. I am running v2.1.9-7 and it installed fine but when I run /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms -f, I get the following: email:/usr/lib/mailman/bin# ./check_perms -f /var/lib/mailman/mail bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/templates bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/pythonlib bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/locks bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/icons bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) Problems found: 11 Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix I did create the mailman user and mailman group manually. $ groupadd mailman $ useradd -c "GNU Mailman" -s /bin/false -d /no/home -g mailman mailman No matter how many times I run the "check_perms" script with the -f flag, it will not fix the 11 issues. I have stopped and restarted Mailman several times. Anyone know what I am doing wrong? From david.ingamells at mapscape.eu Wed Sep 10 07:30:12 2008 From: david.ingamells at mapscape.eu (David Ingamells) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:30:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce handling is not user-friendly. In-Reply-To: <48C63E43.5050902@mapscape.eu> References: <48C63E43.5050902@mapscape.eu> Message-ID: <48C75B64.4020102@mapscape.eu> Please act on the following 2 points below as enhancements to MailMan. These arise from my membership of the bazaar mailing list. I am getting "Your membership in the mailing list bazaar has been disabled due to excessive bounces" messages regularly (every week) now. Curiously, up to the time of the excessive bounce message I don't miss any emails that failed to arrive from the mailing list. I have spoken to our sysadmin and he knows nothing about any bounces from our mail server. It is very annoying as I don't know what I can do about it with the information available to me. Furthermore I miss messages to the mailing list between the time that the membership is disabled until the time I can act upon the message. It also happened while I was on holiday and my membership almost got deleted. 1) Can you adapt mailman to support first sending a warning and allow the member a little time (e.g. a day) to react before the heavy-handed action of disabling the membership? 2) Can you you adapt mailman to send an example of (at least the header of) a bounced email with the message? Without this information I don't know how I can stop them as I don't know what, who or where the bounce is happening. Thanks, David From faisalanif at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 11:05:39 2008 From: faisalanif at hotmail.com (faisal anif) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:05:39 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on a dedicated server Message-ID: hello, I have a problem if anyone can help me. I'm in the autoparts business and I had a small hosting plan with cpanel where I could install mailman with just one click. I have a mailing list of my customers with about 400 subscribers and send them weekly updates once a week and monthly updates once a month. but as my business grew big I needed a dedicated server to put my data and manuals and videos on. so I bought a server and paid for several months upfront. but for my surprise I could not find mailman ready to be installed in its control panel (webmin). I'm no computer tech, could someone install mailman for me on the server? I'm ready to pay for the installation. Thank you Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE From jhg at jhmg.net Thu Sep 11 04:00:31 2008 From: jhg at jhmg.net (Jim Garrison) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:00:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base64 encoding? Message-ID: <48C87BBF.8080007@jhmg.net> Does Mailman ever take a message that it received in plain text form and re-encode it in base64 (leaving the mime type as text/plain)? This just happened to a message I sent to a private list for which I am the admin, and I'm trying to pin it down between Mailman and Postfix. I composed the message in Thunderbird, and the source of the saved outgoing copy (in the Sent folder) is plain ASCII (not base64-encoded). I am subscribed to the list so I get a copy of whatever is sent, and the copy received from the server IS base64-encoded. -- Jim Garrison (jhg at acm.org) PGP Keys at http://www.jhmg.net RSA 0x04B73B7F DH 0x70738D88 From jhg at jhmg.net Thu Sep 11 04:20:59 2008 From: jhg at jhmg.net (Jim Garrison) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:20:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base64 encoding? In-Reply-To: <48C87BBF.8080007@jhmg.net> References: <48C87BBF.8080007@jhmg.net> Message-ID: <48C8808B.6050409@jhmg.net> Jim Garrison wrote: > Does Mailman ever take a message that it received in plain > text form and re-encode it in base64 (leaving the mime type > as text/plain)? > > This just happened to a message I sent to a private list for > which I am the admin, and I'm trying to pin it down between > Mailman and Postfix. I composed the message in Thunderbird, > and the source of the saved outgoing copy (in the Sent folder) > is plain ASCII (not base64-encoded). I am subscribed to the > list so I get a copy of whatever is sent, and the copy > received from the server IS base64-encoded. Additional info. I re-sent the message to myself through the MTA directly and it came back in ASCII, not base64. Since the Mailman instance and MTA both run on the same machine, the only difference in the second case is not going through Mailman. -- Jim Garrison (jhg at acm.org) PGP Keys at http://www.jhmg.net RSA 0x04B73B7F DH 0x70738D88 From rachel at longitude0.co.uk Thu Sep 11 16:52:03 2008 From: rachel at longitude0.co.uk (Rachel Mawhood) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:52:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080910114847.052ffb50@longitude0.co.uk> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080911154859.065c6db0@longitude0.co.uk> Hi Mark Thank you for this - you have saved the day! :-) Cron job run. Everyone now has their password. Phew. I have done 3 to 5 (of your message) in the control panel, too. Regards Rachel At 15:56 10/09/2008, Mark Sapiro wrote: >... > >Once a person is a list member, you can't send another "welcome" >message without unsubscribing and resubscribing the member. You can >send a password reminder to everyone on the list by first making sure >that "Send monthly password reminders?" on the General Options page is >set to Yes and then from a shell, running Mailman's > > cron/mailpasswds -l listname > >To ensure the welcome is sent when doing mass subscribes in the future > > >1. Log into Mailman control panel > >2. Scroll down the General Options to "List-specific text prepended > >to new-subscriber welcome message" > >3. Enter any text to be sent in the message as well as the password > > >3. Optionally enter any additional, list specific text to be sent along >with the standard welcome message - this is a one time step. > >4. Make sure that "Send welcome message to newly subscribed members?" >is set to Yes - this is a one time step. > >5. When using Membership Management... -> Mass Subscription to add >members, make sure that "Send welcome messages to new subscribees?" is >set to Yes. This will be the default if step 4 was done. > >... > >Mailman is not going to add the members password to any ordinary >message. The only messages to the user that contain the password are >the actual Mailman generated list welcome message, the password >reminders sent from cron/maillpasswds (normally run monthly on the 1st >by cron) and a user requested password reminder from the user options >login page. > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From rachel at longitude0.co.uk Thu Sep 11 16:57:49 2008 From: rachel at longitude0.co.uk (Rachel Mawhood) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:57:49 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customising the look of the subscriber login and archive pages In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20080910114847.052ffb50@longitude0.co.uk> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080911155224.06605b38@longitude0.co.uk> Hi list I have customised the html of three pages - general list information, user specific options, and subscribe results - to have the same look and feel as the rest of the client's web site. It appears not to be possible to do the same to the subscriber login and archive pages - is that correct? (I need to be able to explain this, when the client realises this and wants to know why these pages are still in the default Mailman blue and white.) TVIA Rachel From lists at viplist.us Thu Sep 11 21:04:58 2008 From: lists at viplist.us (lists at viplist.us) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:04:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on a dedicated server Message-ID: <20080911.190458.718.1@SERVER1> Mailman is under email, mailing lists in Cpanel (Not WHM.) It is extremely easy to setup once you create the list in Cpanel. Email me back if you cannot figure it out, and I can walk you through it. ----- Original Message ----- From: faisal anif To: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:05:39 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on a dedicated server > > hello, I have a problem if anyone can help me. I'm in the autoparts business and I had a small hosting plan with cpanel where I could install mailman with just one click. I have a mailing list of my customers with about 400 subscribers and send them weekly updates once a week and monthly updates once a month. but as my business grew big I needed a dedicated server to put my data and manuals and videos on. so I bought a server and paid for several months upfront. but for my surprise I could not find mailman ready to be installed in its control panel (webmin). I'm no computer tech, could someone install mailman for me on the server? I'm ready to pay for the installation. Thank you > > > > Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! > _________________________________________________________________ > Explore the seven wonders of the world > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lists%40viplist.us > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > From brian at emwd.com Thu Sep 11 21:30:51 2008 From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:30:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on a dedicated server In-Reply-To: <20080911.190458.718.1@SERVER1> References: <20080911.190458.718.1@SERVER1> Message-ID: <042301c91444$e8239ef0$b86adcd0$@com> > Mailman is under email, mailing lists in Cpanel (Not WHM.) It is > extremely > easy to setup once you create the list in Cpanel. Email me back if you > cannot figure it out, and I can walk you through it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: faisal anif > To: > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:05:39 +0300 > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on a dedicated server > > > > > hello, I have a problem if anyone can help me. I'm in the autoparts > business and I had a small hosting plan with cpanel where I could > install > mailman with just one click. I have a mailing list of my customers with > about 400 subscribers and send them weekly updates once a week and > monthly > updates once a month. but as my business grew big I needed a dedicated > server to put my data and manuals and videos on. so I bought a server > and > paid for several months upfront. but for my surprise I could not find > mailman ready to be installed in its control panel (webmin). I'm no > computer tech, could someone install mailman for me on the server? I'm > ready to pay for the installation. Thank you > > > > You might want to re-read his message. His new dedicated server is running webmin not cpanel. Regards, Brian -------------------------------------- EMWD.com - 'Powered by Techies' Blog.emwd.com - "Curious comments from a web hosting techie" From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com Thu Sep 11 21:37:26 2008 From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:37:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce handling is not user-friendly. In-Reply-To: <48C75B64.4020102@mapscape.eu> References: <48C63E43.5050902@mapscape.eu> <48C75B64.4020102@mapscape.eu> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, David Ingamells wrote: > Please act on the following 2 points below as enhancements to MailMan. > > These arise from my membership of the bazaar mailing list. > I am getting "Your membership in the mailing list bazaar has been > disabled due to excessive bounces" messages regularly (every week) now. > > Curiously, up to the time of the excessive bounce message I don't miss > any emails that failed to arrive from the mailing list. I have spoken to > our sysadmin and he knows nothing about any bounces from our mail > server. It is very annoying as I don't know what I can do about it with > the information available to me. Furthermore I miss messages to the > mailing list between the time that the membership is disabled until the > time I can act upon the message. It also happened while I was on holiday > and my membership almost got deleted. > > 1) Can you adapt mailman to support first sending a warning and allow > the member a little time (e.g. a day) to react before the heavy-handed > action of disabling the membership? Mailman is customizable in that area (per list). By default, mailman will need to see bounces on a certain number of days within a certain longer period before it disables the account. For instance, if mailman is configured to disable on five bounces (counting a maximum of one per day) within 14 days, it will continue to send until the fifth day with a bounce. After 14 days go by without a bounce, the data is considered stale and you start over with zero bounces. It's possible the list admin set it to disable you after just one bounce. There are situations where this might be the desired behavior but those are generally pretty few and far between. Once the membership is disabled, the disabled reminders are sent out weekly for a user-configurable number of weeks after which the recipient is unsubscribed. Sending a warning makes no sense since if mail is bouncing, usually all mail to that user is bouncing and it the warning will bounce too. > 2) Can you you adapt mailman to send an example of (at least the header > of) a bounced email with the message? Without this information I don't > know how I can stop them as I don't know what, who or where the bounce > is happening. That information is sent to the list owner. For my lists, almost always it's because the user abandoned the address and it went away. Your situation sounds like there is some issue between the list server and you that is causing an occassional message to be rejected with a permanent error. You said you're not missing any messages right up until the "you are disabled" message but how do you know for sure. The best thing would be to write to the list owner and ask him to forward the disabled message he receives (by default) the next time it happens. What could be causing the bounces is really not a Mailman issue but off the top of my head, possibilities are: 1) a misconfigured mail server that is rejecting mail with a permanent error for what is a transient error 2) mail being bounced by a spam filter 3) Auto-replies from your mail program back to the sender I'm sure there are others. How well they'll be recognized by the mailman bounce processor partially depends on certain list configuration options. -- Larry Stone lstone19 at stonejongleux.com From lists at viplist.us Thu Sep 11 22:32:38 2008 From: lists at viplist.us (lists at viplist.us) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:32:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on a dedicated server Message-ID: <20080911.203238.921.2@SERVER1> You are right. The *old* server was Cpanel. :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Carpenter" To: , "'faisal anif'" , Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:30:51 -0400 Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] mailman on a dedicated server > > Mailman is under email, mailing lists in Cpanel (Not WHM.) It is > > extremely > > easy to setup once you create the list in Cpanel. Email me back if you > > cannot figure it out, and I can walk you through it. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: faisal anif > > To: > > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:05:39 +0300 > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on a dedicated server > > > > > > > > hello, I have a problem if anyone can help me. I'm in the autoparts > > business and I had a small hosting plan with cpanel where I could > > install > > mailman with just one click. I have a mailing list of my customers with > > about 400 subscribers and send them weekly updates once a week and > > monthly > > updates once a month. but as my business grew big I needed a dedicated > > server to put my data and manuals and videos on. so I bought a server > > and > > paid for several months upfront. but for my surprise I could not find > > mailman ready to be installed in its control panel (webmin). I'm no > > computer tech, could someone install mailman for me on the server? I'm > > ready to pay for the installation. Thank you > > > > > > > > You might want to re-read his message. His new dedicated server is running > webmin not cpanel. > > > Regards, > Brian > -------------------------------------- > EMWD.com - 'Powered by Techies' > Blog.emwd.com - "Curious comments from a web hosting techie" > > From gregor at d95.com Thu Sep 11 00:33:15 2008 From: gregor at d95.com (Gregor Butala) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:33:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] emails getting "eaten" Message-ID: <00af01c91395$38742380$a95c6a80$@com> Hello, I just set up mailman and everything seems ok. It sends new user registration emails, welcome emails... But when I send an email to list's address it doesn't get sent to users. I don't get any error back and the email doesn't even appear in archives. What could be the problem? It seems like all emails sent to list address vanish. Does Mailman make any log files, I couldn't find any? thanks! From oliver.hookins at anchor.com.au Thu Sep 11 01:20:14 2008 From: oliver.hookins at anchor.com.au (Oliver Hookins) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:20:14 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving and renaming a list Message-ID: <20080910232014.GA7556@captain.bridge.anchor.net.au> Hi, I've got a list which is on a machine that will be decommissioned soon. I have to move it to another machine, but that destination machine already has a list with the same name. I'm guessing I will have to rename the list no matter what, but I can still have the same email addresses pointing to it right? The other unfortunate aspect of this situation is that the source machine has Mailman 2.1.5, and the destination has 2.0.9. Is this likely to cause big problems? -- Regards, Oliver From pennguin at mac.com Thu Sep 11 02:39:54 2008 From: pennguin at mac.com (Rob) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:39:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosts & Listinfo Overview problem Message-ID: <05B25412-6425-4DAE-833A-CF1D4CAED49C@mac.com> Running 2.1.9 under Mac OS X 10.5.4, Apache 2.2. I recently set up virtual hosts using the following settings in mm_cfg.py: MTA = 'Postfix' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'acvr.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.acvr.org' VIRTUAL_HOSTS=('www.acvr.org','xserve.petrad.com') VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW='OFF' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' Lists work fine, and I can access all of the individual list configuration pages. But if I try to access https://www.acvr.org/mailman/listinfo then I get the following error: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. And the following information pops up in my Mailman error log... admin(18986): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.9 -----] admin(18986): [----- Traceback ------] admin(18986): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(18986): File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 101, in run_main admin(18986): main() admin(18986): File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main admin(18986): listinfo_overview() admin(18986): File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 117, in listinfo_overview admin(18986): siteowner = Utils.get_site_email() admin(18986): File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 701, in get_site_email admin(18986): hostname = mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.get(get_domain(), get_domain()) admin(18986): AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'get' admin(18986): [----- Python Information -----] admin(18986): sys.version = 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Apr 15 2008, 22:57:26) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5465)] admin(18986): sys.executable = /System/Library/Frameworks/ Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Resources/Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python admin(18986): sys.prefix = /System/Library/Frameworks/ Python.framework/Versions/2.5 admin(18986): sys.exec_prefix = /System/Library/Frameworks/ Python.framework/Versions/2.5 admin(18986): sys.path = /System/Library/Frameworks/ Python.framework/Versions/2.5 admin(18986): sys.platform = darwin admin(18986): [----- Environment Variables -----] admin(18986): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) DAV/2 mod_ssl/ 2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.7l mod_scgi_pubsub/1.11-pubsub mod_jk/1.2.23 PHP/ 5.2.4 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 admin(18986): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo admin(18986): SERVER_SIGNATURE:
Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) DAV/2 mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.7l mod_scgi_pubsub/1.11-pubsub mod_jk/1.2.23 PHP/5.2.4 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 Server at xserve.petrad.com Port 443
admin(18986): admin(18986): REQUEST_METHOD: GET admin(18986): HTTP_FROM: googlebot(at)googlebot.com admin(18986): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(18986): QUERY_STRING: admin(18986): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/ 2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html) admin(18986): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-alive admin(18986): SERVER_NAME: xserve.petrad.com admin(18986): REMOTE_ADDR: 66.249.71.153 admin(18986): SERVER_PORT: 443 admin(18986): SERVER_ADDR: 192.168.1.4 admin(18986): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /Library/WebServer/Documents/ACVR admin(18986): PYTHONPATH: /usr/share/mailman admin(18986): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/share/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo admin(18986): SERVER_ADMIN: treasurer at acvr.org admin(18986): SCRIPT_URI: https://xserve.petrad.com/mailman/listinfo admin(18986): HTTP_HOST: xserve.petrad.com admin(18986): SCRIPT_URL: /mailman/listinfo admin(18986): HTTPS: on admin(18986): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/listinfo admin(18986): HTTP_ACCEPT: */* admin(18986): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(18986): REMOTE_PORT: 42297 admin(18986): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate I'm sure I've missed something in setting up the virtual hosts, but I'm not sure what. Thanks in advance. -Rob From temp21 at knut-krueger.de Thu Sep 11 11:07:38 2008 From: temp21 at knut-krueger.de (Knut Krueger) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:07:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pre install question In-Reply-To: <48C6CFCC.4080706@noaa.gov> References: <48C6CFCC.4080706@noaa.gov> Message-ID: <48C8DFDA.2000701@knut-krueger.de> Hi to all, is it possible to install mailman on an shared internet server with no root access? Knut From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Sep 12 01:22:04 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:22:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] emails getting "eaten" In-Reply-To: <00af01c91395$38742380$a95c6a80$@com> References: <00af01c91395$38742380$a95c6a80$@com> Message-ID: <48C9A81C.9020203@shub-internet.org> Gregor Butala wrote: > What could be the problem? It seems like all emails sent to list address > vanish. Does Mailman make any log files, I couldn't find any? Go to the Mailman FAQ Wiki page at and search for "troubleshooting". -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at python.org Fri Sep 12 01:29:49 2008 From: brad at python.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:29:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pre install question In-Reply-To: <48C8DFDA.2000701@knut-krueger.de> References: <48C6CFCC.4080706@noaa.gov> <48C8DFDA.2000701@knut-krueger.de> Message-ID: <48C9A9ED.5010607@python.org> Knut Krueger wrote: > is it possible to install mailman on an shared internet server with no > root access? Not so far as I know. -- Brad Knowles Member of the Python.org Postmaster Team & Co-Moderator of the mailman-users and mailman-developers mailing lists From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Sep 12 01:24:59 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:24:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving and renaming a list In-Reply-To: <20080910232014.GA7556@captain.bridge.anchor.net.au> References: <20080910232014.GA7556@captain.bridge.anchor.net.au> Message-ID: <48C9A8CB.7070508@shub-internet.org> Oliver Hookins wrote: > I've got a list which is on a machine that will be decommissioned soon. I > have to move it to another machine, but that destination machine already > has a list with the same name. I'm guessing I will have to rename the list > no matter what, but I can still have the same email addresses pointing to it > right? You'll have to rename the list, but once it's renamed, the senders should be able to use whatever addresses they want to send to the list. But maybe I misunderstood the question? > The other unfortunate aspect of this situation is that the source machine > has Mailman 2.1.5, and the destination has 2.0.9. Is this likely to cause > big problems? Yeah, I don't think that's going to work so well -- the binary on-disk representation of the list configuration changed between 2.0.x and 2.1.x, and while Mailman makes it easy to upgrade, there are no downgrade tools I know of. Certainly, you won't be able to move the list configuration pickle files. You can dump the list of users to a text file and then re-import that on the older server, but it's going to be hard to capture all the other aspects of the list configuration. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 12 04:07:46 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:07:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base64 encoding? In-Reply-To: <48C87BBF.8080007@jhmg.net> Message-ID: Jim Garrison wrote: >Does Mailman ever take a message that it received in plain >text form and re-encode it in base64 (leaving the mime type >as text/plain)? Yes. (It's actually the underlying Python email library that does it.) On English language lists, it happens most commonly with messages whose character set is utf-8. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From oliver.hookins at anchor.com.au Fri Sep 12 01:53:18 2008 From: oliver.hookins at anchor.com.au (Oliver Hookins) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:53:18 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving and renaming a list In-Reply-To: <48C9A8CB.7070508@shub-internet.org> References: <20080910232014.GA7556@captain.bridge.anchor.net.au> <48C9A8CB.7070508@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <20080911235318.GA7530@captain.bridge.anchor.net.au> On Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 18:24:59 -0500, Brad Knowles wrote: > Oliver Hookins wrote: > >> I've got a list which is on a machine that will be decommissioned soon. I >> have to move it to another machine, but that destination machine already >> has a list with the same name. I'm guessing I will have to rename the list >> no matter what, but I can still have the same email addresses pointing to it >> right? > > You'll have to rename the list, but once it's renamed, the senders should > be able to use whatever addresses they want to send to the list. > > But maybe I misunderstood the question? No, that was it exactly. Thanks. >> The other unfortunate aspect of this situation is that the source machine >> has Mailman 2.1.5, and the destination has 2.0.9. Is this likely to cause >> big problems? > > Yeah, I don't think that's going to work so well -- the binary on-disk > representation of the list configuration changed between 2.0.x and 2.1.x, > and while Mailman makes it easy to upgrade, there are no downgrade tools > I know of. Certainly, you won't be able to move the list configuration > pickle files. > > You can dump the list of users to a text file and then re-import that on > the older server, but it's going to be hard to capture all the other > aspects of the list configuration. It's not such a big list that I can't do some of the migration by hand, maybe I can unpickle the data, alter it a bit and repickle it in the new format. -- Regards, Oliver From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 12 21:12:48 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:12:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.11 - message appears to drop on thefloor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andrew Hodgson wrote: > >I have a list with a user who is not able to send new messages to the >list - replies go out ok, but whenever he sends out a new message, it >doesn't reach the list. And other user's posts go to the list OK? >I have checked files in /var/lib/mailman/logs and there is nothing shown >for that time. That's the puzzling part. Ar you sure there's not a 'Message discarded, msgid: ... message in the vette log? Here's my best guess on the problem. Content filtering is enabled. HTML is not accepted filter_action is Discard (or maybe it's Reject, and the rejection is getting lost/spam filtered/? The user's MUA is set to generate HTML only messages which get filtered by content filtering, but replies get replied to in the format of the original and so are plain text and accepted. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 12 21:27:01 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:27:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable To Correct Errors (Debian) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carlos Williams wrote: >I just installed Mailman on my Debian mail server and am following the >guide however I used my package installer to install Mailman. I did >not build from source. I am running v2.1.9-7 and it installed fine but >when I run /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms -f, I get the following: > >email:/usr/lib/mailman/bin# ./check_perms -f >/var/lib/mailman/mail bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) >/var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) >/var/lib/mailman/templates bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) >/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) >/var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) >/var/lib/mailman/locks bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) >/var/lib/mailman/bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) >/var/lib/mailman/icons bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) >/var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) >/var/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) >/var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) >Problems found: 11 >Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix > >I did create the mailman user and mailman group manually. > >$ groupadd mailman >$ useradd -c "GNU Mailman" -s /bin/false -d /no/home -g mailman mailman > >No matter how many times I run the "check_perms" script with the -f >flag, it will not fix the 11 issues. I have stopped and restarted >Mailman several times. > >Anyone know what I am doing wrong? You're not doing anything wrong. This is your Debian package. I think what's happening is the above /var/lib/mailman/* entries are symlinks to the real directories. check_perms sees the group of the symlink is 'root' and complains and tries to fix it, but the 'fix' sets the group of the target, not that of the symlink itself. If this is the case, you can safely ignore those check_perms 'errors' as they aren't really errors. I suppose check_perms could be fixed so that when it gets the mode and group of a path, it checks whether the path is a symlink and gets the mode and group of the symlink's (ultimate) target, but I'm not sure it's worth it to fix something which is really a packaging issue that should be covered in the packager's documentation. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 12 21:35:15 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:35:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on a dedicated server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: faisal anif wrote: > >I'm no computer tech, could someone install mailman for me on the server? I'm ready to pay for the installation. Thank you We have tried to set up a wiki page at listing people who offer such services, but so far, there are no listings :( If anyone can do this kind of work, please contact the OP and add yourself to the wiki. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Sat Sep 13 00:37:44 2008 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:37:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customising the look of the subscriber login andarchive pages In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080911155224.06605b38@longitude0.co.uk> Message-ID: Rachel Mawhood wrote: > >I have customised the html of three pages - general list information, >user specific options, and subscribe results - to have the same look >and feel as the rest of the client's web site. It appears not to be >possible to do the same to the subscriber login and archive pages - >is that correct? (I need to be able to explain this, when the client >realises this and wants to know why these pages are still in the >default Mailman blue and white.) The archive pages are built from templates and can be fairly easily customised. They can't be customised from the admin GUI, but see and realise that when you customise one of the 4 templates editable via the admin GUI, what you are doing is making a list specific version of the template in lists///