From knut at auvor.no  Wed Oct  1 07:27:27 2008
From: knut at auvor.no (Knut Auvor Grythe)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:27:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/upgrade has been broken since 2.1.5
	(orpossibly longer)
In-Reply-To: <20080919124625.408FB174F5@britaine.cis.anl.gov>
References: <20080919124625.408FB174F5@britaine.cis.anl.gov>
Message-ID: <20081001052727.GD7185@stud.ntnu.no>

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 07:46:25AM -0500, Barry Finkel wrote:
>> This week, when attempting to upgrade further to Ubuntu Hardy, with
>> Mailman 2.1.9, the upgrade script crashed as soon as it reached one of
>> these lists, without releasing the lock. The attached patch is what I
>> used to be able to upgrade cleanly from the previously corrupted data.
> 
> Are you installing from source or using the Debian/Ubuntu package?
> If the latter, remember that there are a number of Debian/Ubuntu
> patches applied to the source.

I am aware of that. I therefore verified that the vanilla source had the
same bug. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned Ubuntu at all, that
sidenote seems to only throw people off.

We're not using Ubuntu because we're newbies. We're using it because
Ubuntu has predictable release cycles which allows us to schedule
upgrades in a proper way, and Debian doesn't. I'd never report a bug in
Mailman without verifying that the bug indeed is in Mailman and not the
Ubuntu packaging.

> When I looked at the patches, I
> was not sure what many of them did, and I was not sure of the code
> base upon which these patches were built.  IIRC, one patch referred
> to 2.1.4 code.

We've never had any problems with mailman itself due to patches from
Ubuntu. We have had other issues though, like for instance with the
logrotate script in their package, but nothing bad enough to justify
the overhead of keeping a local package updated.

> That is why I built my own package from the SourceForge
> source; my management would not let me install the source without a
> package.

I agree with your management there :-)

-- 
Knut Auvor

From zszalbot at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 08:33:02 2008
From: zszalbot at gmail.com (Zbigniew Szalbot)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:33:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing "Subscription request confirmed"
	page
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200809300847290453387f1622@msapiro>
References: <94136a2c0809292230g41cded52ld87a149b3a1f3344@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1870200809300847290453387f1622@msapiro>
Message-ID: <94136a2c0809302333i5d0cc564r2513bf22bb4775ed@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

2008/9/30 Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>:
> Zbigniew Szalbot wrote:
>>
>>I have just noticed that there is one more page that needs changing if
>>I want to keep the layout consistent - "Subscription request
>>confirmed" page.
>>
>>I guess the question is basically the same. How do I hack it?
>
>
> If you're talking about something like adding a style sheet, see the
> thread beginning at
> <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-August/062979.html>.
>
> If you want to actually change the HTML of the page body, you have to
> change the code that builds the pages in Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py.

Thank you Mark! I did remember your previous reply. I guess my
question really is if some day all such pages could be customized by
user. Otherwise, it is not possible to provide coherent layout across
mailman pages.


Thanks!

-- 
Zbigniew Szalbot

From nitin.bhadauria at tetrain.com  Wed Oct  1 09:59:17 2008
From: nitin.bhadauria at tetrain.com (Nitin Bhadauria)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:29:17 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] script which can limit the number of postings by a
	user in a day
Message-ID: <48E32DD5.5010709@tetrain.com>

Dear All,

I have a mailing list with more then 10000 users and the 300 postings 
per day so i want to restrict users postings.

Is any buddy have a script or some thing to do that ...

Thanks
Nitin

From betsy.schwartz at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 17:11:11 2008
From: betsy.schwartz at gmail.com (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:11:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way to prevent un-subscribing?
Message-ID: <a923f15e0810010811t14924536v8c67584249c14710@mail.gmail.com>

Our administration wants to use a mailman list for broadcast-only
official communications to students.
 I've been asked to prevent the students from un-subscribing. Is there
a way to do that in any version of mailman? And/or any other
convenient mechanism?  The list is a bit unwieldy for plain email
aliases.

Am meanwhile changing the subscription and unsubscription notices to
include dire warnings, and sending notice of unsubscriptions.
(and I know we're going to have to think about bounces)

I see that the question has been asked here before but haven't seen
any solutions

(I understand that in almost all cases you want to give users the
choice to unsubscribe, but it's reasonable for the Dean of Students to
have an official list that reaches all students, too)
thanks, Betsy
-- 
Unix Systems Administrator
Harvard Graduate School of Design

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct  1 18:04:10 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:04:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way to prevent un-subscribing?
In-Reply-To: <a923f15e0810010811t14924536v8c67584249c14710@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810010904100171bebb83f5@msapiro>

Elizabeth Schwartz wrote:

> I've been asked to prevent the students from un-subscribing. Is there
>a way to do that in any version of mailman?


Set the list's Privacy options... -> Subscription rules ->
unsubscribe_policy to Yes and don't approve any unsubscriptions.

However, if the student's know their list passwords (and they can
always ask for a reminder), they can always set their list mail
delivery off even though they can't unsubscribe.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From chris at westnet.com  Wed Oct  1 19:01:24 2008
From: chris at westnet.com (Christopher X. Candreva)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:01:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way to prevent un-subscribing?
In-Reply-To: <a923f15e0810010811t14924536v8c67584249c14710@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a923f15e0810010811t14924536v8c67584249c14710@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0810011300210.16749@westnet.com>

On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Elizabeth Schwartz wrote:

>  I've been asked to prevent the students from un-subscribing. Is there
> a way to do that in any version of mailman? And/or any other
> convenient mechanism?  The list is a bit unwieldy for plain email

Under "Privacy options" you can enable the option "Is the list moderator's 
approval required for unsubscription requests"

==========================================================
Chris Candreva  -- chris at westnet.com -- (914) 948-3162
WestNet Internet Services of Westchester
http://www.westnet.com/

From cite+mailman-users at incertum.net  Wed Oct  1 21:14:05 2008
From: cite+mailman-users at incertum.net (Stefan =?utf-8?Q?F=C3=B6rster?=)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:14:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way to prevent un-subscribing?
In-Reply-To: <a923f15e0810010811t14924536v8c67584249c14710@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a923f15e0810010811t14924536v8c67584249c14710@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081001191405.GN8078@mail.incertum.net>

* Elizabeth Schwartz <betsy.schwartz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Our administration wants to use a mailman list for broadcast-only
> official communications to students.
>  I've been asked to prevent the students from un-subscribing. Is there
> a way to do that in any version of mailman? And/or any other
> convenient mechanism?  The list is a bit unwieldy for plain email
> aliases.

If you are using some kind of "aliases" file where
"listname-unsubscribe" points to the "mailman" script, remove that
alias. Deactivate your web interface or generate random passwords for
every student and block access to the page where one can reset
passwords. Remove the "listname-request" alias, too, so students can't
use Mailman's advanced features to unsubscribe themselves.

Probably not what you wanted to hear, isn't it?


Ciao
Stefan
-- 
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FdI #241: Performance - Figur im (K?r)Programm der Schwierigkeitsstufe 10.
(Manfred Worm Sch?fer)

From cderr at simons-rock.edu  Wed Oct  1 21:30:08 2008
From: cderr at simons-rock.edu (charlie derr)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:30:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way to prevent un-subscribing?
In-Reply-To: <15483_1222888947_48E3CDF3_15483_2609_1_20081001191405.GN8078@mail.incertum.net>
References: <a923f15e0810010811t14924536v8c67584249c14710@mail.gmail.com>
	<15483_1222888947_48E3CDF3_15483_2609_1_20081001191405.GN8078@mail.incertum.net>
Message-ID: <48E3CFC0.5020103@simons-rock.edu>

Stefan F?rster wrote:
> * Elizabeth Schwartz <betsy.schwartz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Our administration wants to use a mailman list for broadcast-only
>> official communications to students.
>>  I've been asked to prevent the students from un-subscribing. Is there
>> a way to do that in any version of mailman? And/or any other
>> convenient mechanism?  The list is a bit unwieldy for plain email
>> aliases.
> 
> If you are using some kind of "aliases" file where
> "listname-unsubscribe" points to the "mailman" script, remove that
> alias. Deactivate your web interface or generate random passwords for
> every student and block access to the page where one can reset
> passwords. Remove the "listname-request" alias, too, so students can't
> use Mailman's advanced features to unsubscribe themselves.
> 
> Probably not what you wanted to hear, isn't it?
> 
> 
> Ciao
> Stefan


Another possible choice is to have the list membership synced from an external source regularly.  If this is on a cron job that 
runs periodically, then any attempted self-removal would always only be temporary (which may be good enough in practice).

	good luck,
		~c


From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Oct  1 21:53:05 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:53:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/upgrade has been broken since
 2.1.5	(orpossibly longer)
In-Reply-To: <20081001052727.GD7185@stud.ntnu.no>
References: <20080919124625.408FB174F5@britaine.cis.anl.gov>
	<20081001052727.GD7185@stud.ntnu.no>
Message-ID: <48E3D521.1070204@shub-internet.org>

Knut Auvor Grythe wrote:

> We're not using Ubuntu because we're newbies. We're using it because
> Ubuntu has predictable release cycles which allows us to schedule
> upgrades in a proper way, and Debian doesn't. I'd never report a bug in
> Mailman without verifying that the bug indeed is in Mailman and not the
> Ubuntu packaging.

We appreciate that, we really do!

Regretfully, you are one of the very few rare cases where someone is 
reporting a problem on a particular platform, and where you've actually gone 
and checked to make sure that the bug you're reporting is with the 
underlying software and not the local package.  So, I hope you're not too 
offended when we ask the question.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Oct  1 21:54:44 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:54:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] script which can limit the number of postings
 by a	user in a day
In-Reply-To: <48E32DD5.5010709@tetrain.com>
References: <48E32DD5.5010709@tetrain.com>
Message-ID: <48E3D584.2090604@shub-internet.org>

Nitin Bhadauria wrote:

> I have a mailing list with more then 10000 users and the 300 postings 
> per day so i want to restrict users postings.

At the bottom of every message that is posted to this list is a link to the 
Mailman FAQ, which is at <http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3>.  I suggest you go 
there and search for "rate limit".

-- 
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LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Oct  1 22:20:49 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:20:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with upgrade
In-Reply-To: <BAY126-W376D3C382CFDA5FAB827BE9A430@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY126-W376D3C382CFDA5FAB827BE9A430@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48E3DBA1.6090708@shub-internet.org>

Alexander Freund wrote:

> Could someone please help me with this?

At the bottom of every message posted to this list is an URL to the Mailman 
FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3>.  I suggest you go there and search for 
"troubleshooting".

After reading, understanding, and trying out the various things suggested, 
if you have any questions then please feel free to come back.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From nitin.bhadauria at tetrain.com  Fri Oct  3 07:59:13 2008
From: nitin.bhadauria at tetrain.com (Nitin Bhadauria)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:29:13 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] script which can limit the number of postings
 by a	user in a day
In-Reply-To: <48E3D584.2090604@shub-internet.org>
References: <48E32DD5.5010709@tetrain.com> <48E3D584.2090604@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <48E5B4B1.1030601@tetrain.com>

Dear Sir,

I am not talking about throttle for sending mails. I want to limit on 
the number of posts from any one individual within a period of time (1 
post per day, 10 per week, etc).
I do know that this option is in the mailman wishlist that's why i asked 
for a patch or script..

Thanks for reply
Nitin Bhadauria

Brad Knowles wrote:
> Nitin Bhadauria wrote:
>
>> I have a mailing list with more then 10000 users and the 300 postings 
>> per day so i want to restrict users postings.
>
> At the bottom of every message that is posted to this list is a link 
> to the Mailman FAQ, which is at <http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3>.  I 
> suggest you go there and search for "rate limit".
>


From ewout.wierda at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 10:36:14 2008
From: ewout.wierda at gmail.com (Ewout Wierda)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:36:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] msg_header / archives / reply to
Message-ID: <1a70e4ff0810020136j7a5ce780w2cbe1b1979481298@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

As you would expect my first message here I have some questions about some
problems I have.

I set up a mailing list using the cPanel of my hosting provider, and I have
been trying to make a header text (msg_header) in the non-digest options.
However, no matter what I do, my test mails do not show the header.
I asked my hosting provider if there is some backend setting in the software
that needs to be changed, but got as a somewhat surprising reply that I
cannot use the non-digest options "since Mailman is part of Cpanel, which
comes already encrypted".
Considering that Mailman is GNU GPL I find it hard to believe that, so I am
trying to find out what to tell my provider to do exactly.
Browsing the internet has not helped me much. I noticed that there is
a OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION setting but I am not sure that setting
is needed for msg_header, nor am I sure where that sort of setting can be
changed.
So my first question is: how can I get that msg_header setting to work?

Secondly I have sent a few test messages to a few email addresses I have but
none appear in the archive, which is still completely empty aside from
column headings. The archive setting is on. What could I do to make the
archive work?

The third issue I have (probably I have more but am not aware of them yet!)
is that a response to a list message goed to the sender not to the list, but
the reply_goes_to_list setting is on list.

All in all I have the impression that virtually all but the most basic
functionality is disabled. My hosting is cheap (I am setting up for a
non-profit organisation so little choice!) and I suppose they want to save
system resources and avoid risks, but since I will have no more than 75
known subscribers I wonder if their underlying settings could be changed per
hosting account.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Ewout

From roi_danton at hotmail.de  Thu Oct  2 09:24:55 2008
From: roi_danton at hotmail.de (Alexander Freund)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:24:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with upgrade
In-Reply-To: <48E3DBA1.6090708@shub-internet.org>
References: <BAY126-W376D3C382CFDA5FAB827BE9A430@phx.gbl>
	<48E3DBA1.6090708@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <BAY126-W13AA783F2C39BF11B5A2389A3D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Brad,
 
I really tried much but nothing helps.
I have no more idea what to look for because I don't get any error to search for.
 
It would be nice if someone has an idea what I may have.
 
Thanks,
 
Alex



> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:20:49 -0500> From: brad at shub-internet.org> To: roi_danton at hotmail.de> CC: mailman-users at python.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with upgrade> > Alexander Freund wrote:> > > Could someone please help me with this?> > At the bottom of every message posted to this list is an URL to the Mailman > FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3>. I suggest you go there and search for > "troubleshooting".> > After reading, understanding, and trying out the various things suggested, > if you have any questions then please feel free to come back.> > -- > Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>> LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
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From brad at shub-internet.org  Fri Oct  3 09:26:23 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:26:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with upgrade
In-Reply-To: <BAY126-W13AA783F2C39BF11B5A2389A3D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY126-W376D3C382CFDA5FAB827BE9A430@phx.gbl>	<48E3DBA1.6090708@shub-internet.org>
	<BAY126-W13AA783F2C39BF11B5A2389A3D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48E5C91F.6010502@shub-internet.org>

Alexander Freund wrote:

> I really tried much but nothing helps.
> I have no more idea what to look for because I don't get any error to search for.

If you search for "troubleshooting", the top link has the subject line 
"4.78 Troubleshooting - No mail going out to lists members".  Click on 
that, and you are taken to the page at 
<http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/4.78+Troubleshooting-+No+mail+going+out+to+lists+members>, 
and a shorter URL for that same page is <http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9>.

On this page is a whole laundry list of things you should check.  It is 
likely that you are having one or more of the problems listed.

If you check all the problems listed and you can demonstrate that none 
of them apply to your case, then feel free to come back and ask more 
questions.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From brad at shub-internet.org  Fri Oct  3 09:32:34 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:32:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] msg_header / archives / reply to
In-Reply-To: <1a70e4ff0810020136j7a5ce780w2cbe1b1979481298@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a70e4ff0810020136j7a5ce780w2cbe1b1979481298@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E5CA92.8080201@shub-internet.org>

Ewout Wierda wrote:

> I set up a mailing list using the cPanel of my hosting provider, and I have
> been trying to make a header text (msg_header) in the non-digest options.

See <http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+and+CPanel>.

> Considering that Mailman is GNU GPL I find it hard to believe that, so I am
> trying to find out what to tell my provider to do exactly.

They hacked the code that we provided, and they haven't shared those 
changes with us.  Therefore, we can't really tell you what they changed 
or why.  If you have any problems with cPanel, you need to first go to 
your provider, who should be able to answer your questions.  If not, 
then you should use the other cPanel resources, such as their forums and 
mailing lists.

There's not likely to be much we can do to help.

> All in all I have the impression that virtually all but the most basic
> functionality is disabled.

For all of the questions you have, you need intensive support by the 
people who run the systems.  They're the only ones who have access to 
the log data you need, etc....  If they are not providing you the 
support you need, then your choices are fairly limited:

	1.  Find another provider who will support you.

	2.  Decide if you can live with the problems.

>                                  My hosting is cheap (I am setting up for a
> non-profit organisation so little choice!) and I suppose they want to save
> system resources and avoid risks, but since I will have no more than 75
> known subscribers I wonder if their underlying settings could be changed per
> hosting account.

There are inexpensive hosting providers who will actually provide 
support.  Some of them even participate on this mailing list.  I suggest 
you take a close look at them and decide whether it makes sense to 
switch to a different provider.

-- 
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LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From zszalbot at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 09:40:41 2008
From: zszalbot at gmail.com (Zbigniew Szalbot)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:40:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing lists information page / charset problem
Message-ID: <94136a2c0810030040o28b9c790qe954cdc38666ea58@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

What do I need to do to make sure that the information page listing
all public lists available at a given server displays characters
without any problem? As it happens I have two lists in Polish and
three in English. One of the Polish lists uses accented characters in
its description and the characters are mangled when viewed at the
information page.

Thanks for all hints!

-- 
Zbigniew Szalbot

From cite+mailman-users at incertum.net  Fri Oct  3 12:08:03 2008
From: cite+mailman-users at incertum.net (Stefan =?utf-8?Q?F=C3=B6rster?=)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:08:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default cahrset for 'de' to ISO8859-15/UTF-8?
Message-ID: <20081003100801.GF21295@mail.incertum.net>

Hello world,

I wonder if there are any plans to change the default charset for the
'de' locale of Mailman to anything else than ISO8859-1, because this
charset cannot even represent our current currency symbol.

I have changed this myself for now (adding needed variables to
mm_cfg.py, converting translated templates to the new charset,
recreating pod files), but I think it _might_ be a good idea to change
the default charset for all languages spoken mostly by countries which
are in the 'Euro' currency zone to at least ISO8859-15.

I acknowledge there might be some difficult cases (for exmaple, in
Switzerland, there are people who might be interested in running a
mailing list with a 'de' or 'fr' locale, but they don't use the 'Euro'
as currency there).


Cheers
Stefan
-- 
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From nuno at fccn.pt  Fri Oct  3 15:31:47 2008
From: nuno at fccn.pt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nuno_Gon=E7alves?=)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:31:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman auto-responder with acceptable_aliases as
	FROM:
Message-ID: <48E61EC3.2010806@fccn.pt>

Hi all,

Do you know how to setup an auto-responder in mailman with a from 
address that is specified in acceptable_aliases variable ?
Instead of sending the auto-response message with the real name I need 
to send it with the address that is specified in acceptable_aliases

Do you have any hint ?

best regards and thank you all for reading this

Nuno

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From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  3 17:48:37 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:48:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default cahrset for 'de' to ISO8859-15/UTF-8?
In-Reply-To: <20081003100801.GF21295@mail.incertum.net>
References: <20081003100801.GF21295@mail.incertum.net>
Message-ID: <48E63ED5.3000006@msapiro.net>

Stefan F?rster wrote:
> 
> I wonder if there are any plans to change the default charset for the
> 'de' locale of Mailman to anything else than ISO8859-1, because this
> charset cannot even represent our current currency symbol.

There are no short term plans to change character sets, but if you were
to publish a bazaar branch with your changes (on launchpad or elsewhere)
and post a note about it to the mailman-developers at python.org list so
that the possible implications such as for German speaking Swiss users
could be discussed, we could easily pick your changes up.

Longer term, Mailman is moving to full unicode internally and utf-8
encoding.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  3 18:20:20 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:20:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] script which can limit the number of postingsby
	a	user in a day
In-Reply-To: <48E5B4B1.1030601@tetrain.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810030920200031229b1033@msapiro>

Nitin Bhadauria wrote:
>
>I am not talking about throttle for sending mails. I want to limit on 
>the number of posts from any one individual within a period of time (1 
>post per day, 10 per week, etc).
>I do know that this option is in the mailman wishlist that's why i asked 
>for a patch or script..


There is no such function within Mailman. You'd have to implement it
yourself. I'm not aware of anyone that has done so. There is a five
year old feature request at
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266729>, but nothing has been
done on this.

Usually, this sort of thing is handled by moderation although I
understand that isn't the answer in every case.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  4 00:42:40 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:42:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman auto-responder with acceptable_aliases
	asFROM:
In-Reply-To: <48E61EC3.2010806@fccn.pt>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810031542400531b3370f7b@msapiro>

Nuno Gon?alves wrote:
>
>Do you know how to setup an auto-responder in mailman with a from
>address that is specified in acceptable_aliases variable ?
>Instead of sending the auto-response message with the real name I need 
>to send it with the address that is specified in acceptable_aliases
>
>Do you have any hint ?


This would be very difficult to do in general without messing up other
addresses.

If you have one specific autoresponse message in mind, you could modify
the code in the module that generates that specific message.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  4 01:15:08 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:15:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing lists information page / charset problem
In-Reply-To: <94136a2c0810030040o28b9c790qe954cdc38666ea58@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810031615080968d8586750@msapiro>

Zbigniew Szalbot wrote:
>
>What do I need to do to make sure that the information page listing
>all public lists available at a given server displays characters
>without any problem? As it happens I have two lists in Polish and
>three in English. One of the Polish lists uses accented characters in
>its description and the characters are mangled when viewed at the
>information page.


There isn't much you can do about this in Mailman. The overview page is
generated in the language defined as DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE in
Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py and the page contains a

<META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=...">

where the charset is that defined for the language. The defaults are
'en' and 'us-ascii'.

You could put html entities representing the Polish characters in the
list's description, but this is not totally satisfactory as
description is also included in the List-ID: header in list emails, in
the From: header for anonymous lists and in the response to the email
'info' command for the list. In these places the HTML entities will be
rendered literally and no as the characters they represent.

You can also use something like apache's AddCharset directive to define
the charset of the page, but this applies serverwide and may not be
appropriate.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From blydiate at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 20:01:45 2008
From: blydiate at gmail.com (Bob Lydiate)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:01:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list members not recognized
Message-ID: <f6b6e44f0810031101r21c08d70h8296b7380a9069b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am having some problems sending mail to my lists. I am running
Ubuntu+Postfix+Mailman. The problem occurs when I am sending mail from other
locations (and others have reported this as well), the mail comes back as
"User not found" or "No such user". I know the user addresses are there and
are not "moderated", but the mail from them gets rejected. I do not use
mailman with virtual domains, so that is not the problem. I have been trying
to fix this problem for a year (whenever it occurs) but have not been able
to find anyone with a similar problem to help. Anyone here able to give a
hand?


<><
Bob Lydiate
><>

From dfisek at fisek.com.tr  Fri Oct  3 21:57:22 2008
From: dfisek at fisek.com.tr (Doruk Fisek)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:57:22 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sharing *_these_nonmembers lists
Message-ID: <20081003225722.45fd3858.dfisek@fisek.com.tr>

Hi,

 For an installation of several lists, I want some lists to use the
same accept_these_nonmembers, reject_these_nonmembers,
discard_these_nonmembers lists.

 I've found this script to add/remove addresses from a list.

 http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/non_members

 Does anyone know a script to "list" the *_members addresses of an
e-mail list?

 With a cron script I plan to extract/delete *_members addresses from
different e-mail lists, cat/sort/uniq them, then import the resulting
unified *_members list back -- effectively synchronizing them.

 I'm open to other solution suggestions too.

                   Doruk

--
FISEK INSTITUTE - http://www.fisek.org.tr

From edward at LambdaEnt.com  Sat Oct  4 04:15:53 2008
From: edward at LambdaEnt.com (Edward Salm, PhD)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:15:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
Message-ID: <C50C1FE9.3C06A%edward@LambdaEnt.com>

I am creating an annual, announce-only list with over 1300 members. This is
for a once-a-year community event where people have asked/signed up to be
informed. Many of the email addresses were collected at the previous event
one year ago (or more), and I expect many to be no longer effective.

I have set the bounce_score_threshold to 1.0. However, since this list will
only be used once a year, those bounces would not be unsubscribed for 3
years!

How can I have mailman unsubscribe, not just nomail, after just one hard
bounce?

(Yes, I have searched the archives.)

Thank you!



From jrc at clshost.com  Sat Oct  4 16:58:14 2008
From: jrc at clshost.com (J.R. Constance)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:58:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails sent directly to "bounce" address
In-Reply-To: <87zlm45239.fsf@xemacs.org>
References: <2E8AFAA3-C9FE-4073-9E69-03EB4A18DB5D@clshost.com>
	<87zlm45239.fsf@xemacs.org>
Message-ID: <8D0F603E-0C2B-4B73-8157-336C78B49B67@clshost.com>

OK, I have looked at the FAQ and other resources and as technically  
proficient as I like to think I am I cannot for the life of me figure  
out how to configure this in my environment.

Is there anyone out there who would be willing to assist me with  
figuring out how to set this up?

Apache Linux.
Mailman 2.1.9.cp2 (cPanel 11.23.6)

If anyone has any experience with getting this set up in a cPanel  
environment I'd appreciate any help you're willing to offer.

Thanks,

J.R.

J.R. Constance




On Sep 18, 2008, at 7:58 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

> J.R. Constance writes:
>
>> Is there any way to filter these emails sent to the bounce address so
>> that if they are spam they just get discarded.
>
> Procmail, ClamAV, etc.  You should be running such filters on all
> received mail.  If you can't reconfigure the MTA to do this for some
> reason, the admin can usually run procmail through his/her .forward
> file.
>


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  4 17:16:48 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:16:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails sent directly to "bounce" address
In-Reply-To: <8D0F603E-0C2B-4B73-8157-336C78B49B67@clshost.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810040816480375f763ba67@msapiro>

J.R. Constance wrote:
>
>Is there anyone out there who would be willing to assist me with  
>figuring out how to set this up?
>
>Apache Linux.
>Mailman 2.1.9.cp2 (cPanel 11.23.6)
>
>If anyone has any experience with getting this set up in a cPanel  
>environment I'd appreciate any help you're willing to offer.
>
>On Sep 18, 2008, at 7:58 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>
>> J.R. Constance writes:
>>
>>> Is there any way to filter these emails sent to the bounce address so
>>> that if they are spam they just get discarded.
>>
>> Procmail, ClamAV, etc.  You should be running such filters on all
>> received mail.  If you can't reconfigure the MTA to do this for some
>> reason, the admin can usually run procmail through his/her .forward
>> file.


You want to run spamassassin and ClamAV or equivalents or possibly
MailScanner on incoming mail. You set this up in the MTA (exim on
cPanel ?). You possibly set this up in the MTA directly or by having
the MTA invoke Procmail to deliver the mail and using Procmail recipes
to scan the mail for spam/viruses.

This all happens before Mailman and is a cPanel/MTA question, not a
Mailman question.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  4 17:27:10 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:27:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
In-Reply-To: <C50C1FE9.3C06A%edward@LambdaEnt.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810040827100796ae6ed8a6@msapiro>

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:

>I am creating an annual, announce-only list with over 1300 members. This is
>for a once-a-year community event where people have asked/signed up to be
>informed. Many of the email addresses were collected at the previous event
>one year ago (or more), and I expect many to be no longer effective.
>
>I have set the bounce_score_threshold to 1.0. However, since this list will
>only be used once a year, those bounces would not be unsubscribed for 3
>years!


Not if you set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0.

"How many Your Membership Is Disabled warnings a disabled member should
get before their address is removed from the mailing list. Set to 0 to
immediately remove an address from the list once their bounce score
exceeds the threshold. This value must be an integer."

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  4 17:55:15 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:55:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list members not recognized
In-Reply-To: <f6b6e44f0810031101r21c08d70h8296b7380a9069b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008100408551501099e927dfc@msapiro>

Bob Lydiate wrote:
>
>I am having some problems sending mail to my lists. I am running
>Ubuntu+Postfix+Mailman. The problem occurs when I am sending mail from other
>locations (and others have reported this as well), the mail comes back as
>"User not found" or "No such user". I know the user addresses are there and
>are not "moderated", but the mail from them gets rejected. I do not use
>mailman with virtual domains, so that is not the problem. I have been trying
>to fix this problem for a year (whenever it occurs) but have not been able
>to find anyone with a similar problem to help. Anyone here able to give a
>hand?


Please be more specific about what actually is done and what actually
happens. Include a copy of the reject notice.

I can't tell from the above if it is your original post to the list
that is rejected before delivery to Mailman or if it is a message from
Mailman to a list member that is rejected. If it is the former, it is
some misconfiguration in Postfix such that Postfix will only deliver
mail to Mailman's aliases if mail originates locally.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  4 18:08:51 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:08:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sharing *_these_nonmembers lists
In-Reply-To: <20081003225722.45fd3858.dfisek@fisek.com.tr>
Message-ID: <PC18702008100409085104063f3504c9@msapiro>

Doruk Fisek wrote:
>
> For an installation of several lists, I want some lists to use the
>same accept_these_nonmembers, reject_these_nonmembers,
>discard_these_nonmembers lists.
>
> I've found this script to add/remove addresses from a list.
>
> http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/non_members



That script is designed to add/remove addresses to/from
*_these_nonmembers. It seems you may just want to set
*_these_nonmembers to some list of addresses independent of what was
there before. If so, bin/config_list -i is probably better.


> Does anyone know a script to "list" the *_members addresses of an
>e-mail list?


bin/config_list -o - listname | grep -v ^# | \
 sed -e '1,/^member_moderation_notice/d' -e '/^generic/,$d'

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct  5 00:04:27 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:04:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
In-Reply-To: <C50D04AA.3C086%edward@LambdaEnt.com>
Message-ID: <PC187020081004150427004640c83dc9@msapiro>

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:

>Do you mean that setting bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0 should do the
>trick?
>
>Well, I ran a test, using a bogus email address, and it has not. The address
>is still in the membership list, with nomail checked, reason [b].


I am saying that if bounce_score_threshold <= 1.0 and
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0  at the time that mail is sent to
a member and that mail bounces, the member will be immediately
unsubscribed.

Perhaps this member already had delivery disabled by bounce when you
set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0. Even if this was the case,
the member should be removed by cron/disabled after just
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days.

In fact, even if bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings > 0, the members will
be removed after (bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval X
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings) days as long as cron/disabled is
being run daily.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct  5 00:26:08 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:26:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
In-Reply-To: <C50D3787.3C0E0%edward@LambdaEnt.com>
Message-ID: <PC187020081004152608001540c83d97@msapiro>

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:

>bounce_score_threshold = 1.0
>bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0
>
>It's been 24 hours and the bogus user is still there.


Since it's been 24 hours, and since my advice to set
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0 was sent less than 5 hours ago, I
conclude that this member bounced and had delivery disabled before you
set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0.

As I explain below, once the member's delivery has been disabled by
bounce, cron/disabled won't unsubscribe that member until
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days have elapsed since the
disable.

If you want to unsubscribe this member now, run

  cron/disabled -f -l listname

Now that you have set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0, any members
whose delivery bounces in the future will be immediately unsubscribed.


>On 10/4/08 3:04 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
>
>> Edward Salm, PhD wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you mean that setting bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0 should do the
>>> trick?
>>> 
>>> Well, I ran a test, using a bogus email address, and it has not. The address
>>> is still in the membership list, with nomail checked, reason [b].
>> 
>> 
>> I am saying that if bounce_score_threshold <= 1.0 and
>> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0  at the time that mail is sent to
>> a member and that mail bounces, the member will be immediately
>> unsubscribed.
>> 
>> Perhaps this member already had delivery disabled by bounce when you
>> set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0. Even if this was the case,
>> the member should be removed by cron/disabled after just
>> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days.
>> 
>> In fact, even if bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings > 0, the members will
>> be removed after (bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval X
>> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings) days as long as cron/disabled is
>> being run daily.
>

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct  5 00:40:58 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:40:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
In-Reply-To: <C50D3C53.3C0EB%edward@LambdaEnt.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810041540580140fee2de86@msapiro>

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:

>You've made way too many assumptions. Please review my original post:


I read your original post. I see nothing there I haven't addressed.

The only explicit assumption I made is that the test address that was
disabled by bounce over 24 hours ago was disabled before you set
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0.

I suppose I did make an implicit assumption that you have command line
access to the installation when I suggested you could run
cron/disabled by hand. If this is not the case, just set
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval to 1, and this disabled by
bounce member will be unsubscribed the next time cron/disabled runs
(default, 09:00 daily, server local time).


>------ Forwarded Message
>From: "Edward Salm, PhD" <edward at LambdaEnt.com>
>Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:15:53 -0700
>To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>Conversation: Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
>
>I am creating an annual, announce-only list with over 1300 members. This is
>for a once-a-year community event where people have asked/signed up to be
>informed. Many of the email addresses were collected at the previous event
>one year ago (or more), and I expect many to be no longer effective.
>
>I have set the bounce_score_threshold to 1.0. However, since this list will
>only be used once a year, those bounces would not be unsubscribed for 3
>years!
>
>How can I have mailman unsubscribe, not just nomail, after just one hard
>bounce?
>
>(Yes, I have searched the archives.)
>
>Thank you!
>
>
>------ End of Forwarded Message
>

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct  5 01:02:27 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:02:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
In-Reply-To: <C50D3F62.3C0F2%edward@LambdaEnt.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810041602270437bf7e04d0@msapiro>

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:

>I set those thing BEFORE I posted. I have changed nothing since I posted.
>All things you have told e to do were already done BEFORE I posted. 


OK. Sorry. Thank you for giving me the information. (You could have
saved time and energy on both sides if you had posted the details of
what you had done in the first place.)

Now, I have visited your web site at
<http://lambdaent.com/mailman/listinfo> and I see that you are running
a cPanel Mailman.

Please see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9> which trys to
explain that the Mailman you are dealing with is cPanel's fork of GNU
Mailman and I can't help you with things that work differently in
cPanel.


BTW, quoting from your OP

>I have set the bounce_score_threshold to 1.0. However, since this list will
>only be used once a year, those bounces would not be unsubscribed for 3
>years!

and assuming cPanel has not completely broken this, once a user's
delivery is disabled by bounce, it does not take additional posts to
eventually remove them from the list. That wouldn't work in any case
since their delivery is disabled and they won't be sent the subsequent
posts.

In GNU Mailman, once a member has delivery disabled by bounce,
processing is totally under the control of cron/disabled and the
member will be removed after their notices are exhausted (default 3
notices X 7 day interval = 21 days).

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From edward at LambdaEnt.com  Sat Oct  4 21:11:40 2008
From: edward at LambdaEnt.com (Edward Salm, PhD)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:11:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008100409085104063f3504c9@msapiro>
Message-ID: <C50D0DFC.3C093%edward@LambdaEnt.com>

I have an email blast that I contains tables and other HTML code. I sent the
same message directly to my email account, and also through mailman. When
sent directly, it is just fine; when sent via Mailman it is not.

Mailman is changing something which is breaking the code. I cannot figure
out what mailman has done.

I need help ASAP. This email distribution must go out right away. I have
posted source code and screenshots here:

http://www.lambdaent.com/pub/mailman/


Thank you!



From edward at LambdaEnt.com  Sun Oct  5 00:19:03 2008
From: edward at LambdaEnt.com (Edward Salm, PhD)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:19:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081004150427004640c83dc9@msapiro>
Message-ID: <C50D39E7.3C0E2%edward@LambdaEnt.com>

bounce_score_threshold = 1.0
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0

It's been 24 hours and the bogus user is still there.

 

On 10/4/08 3:04 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> Edward Salm, PhD wrote:
> 
>> Do you mean that setting bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0 should do the
>> trick?
>> 
>> Well, I ran a test, using a bogus email address, and it has not. The address
>> is still in the membership list, with nomail checked, reason [b].
> 
> 
> I am saying that if bounce_score_threshold <= 1.0 and
> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0  at the time that mail is sent to
> a member and that mail bounces, the member will be immediately
> unsubscribed.
> 
> Perhaps this member already had delivery disabled by bounce when you
> set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0. Even if this was the case,
> the member should be removed by cron/disabled after just
> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days.
> 
> In fact, even if bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings > 0, the members will
> be removed after (bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval X
> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings) days as long as cron/disabled is
> being run daily.



From lists at viplist.us  Sun Oct  5 08:41:07 2008
From: lists at viplist.us (Lloyd Tennison)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 23:41:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman
Message-ID: <20081005.064107.483.5@SERVER1>

Two problems:

1.   You have image(s) sent in the email.  They ideally are better sourced to 
a server. (It also make the email smaller and transmits faster.)
2.   You are adding a footer to a mime message.  That will quite often create 
havoc with the message.  Make the footer part of the standard HTML coding, 
and you should be fine.  See 
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030707

Also, whatever you are using to create the HTML code is creating errors.

<div align=3D"center"><font face=3D"Verdana" size=3D"1">&lt;&lt;please
forward&gt;&gt;</font>

Get something that makes the code directly, and does not add all the "3D" and 
change your "<" and ">" codes, as a start.

I aways recommend to use full personalization, too, in Mailman.  Without it 
the bounce processing does not work as well.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Salm, PhD" <edward at LambdaEnt.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:11:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman

> I have an email blast that I contains tables and other HTML code. I sent the
> same message directly to my email account, and also through mailman. When
> sent directly, it is just fine; when sent via Mailman it is not.
> 
> Mailman is changing something which is breaking the code. I cannot figure
> out what mailman has done.
> 
> I need help ASAP. This email distribution must go out right away. I have
> posted source code and screenshots here:
> 
> http://www.lambdaent.com/pub/mailman/
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 
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From lists at viplist.us  Sun Oct  5 08:49:21 2008
From: lists at viplist.us (Lloyd Tennison)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 23:49:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
Message-ID: <20081005.064921.843.7@SERVER1>

What do the bounce logs say about that user? Did the bounce register?  Not 
all hard or soft bounces can be determined.  I actually scan my mail logs 
for hard bounces and delete them even faster than Mailman would.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Salm, PhD" <edward at LambdaEnt.com>
To: "mailman-users at python.org" <mailman-users at python.org>
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:19:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce

> bounce_score_threshold = 1.0
> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0
> 
> It's been 24 hours and the bogus user is still there.
> 
>  
> 
> On 10/4/08 3:04 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> 
> > Edward Salm, PhD wrote:
> > 
> >> Do you mean that setting bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0 should do 
the
> >> trick?
> >> 
> >> Well, I ran a test, using a bogus email address, and it has not. The 
address
> >> is still in the membership list, with nomail checked, reason [b].
> > 
> > 
> > I am saying that if bounce_score_threshold <= 1.0 and
> > bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0  at the time that mail is sent to
> > a member and that mail bounces, the member will be immediately
> > unsubscribed.
> > 
> > Perhaps this member already had delivery disabled by bounce when you
> > set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0. Even if this was the case,
> > the member should be removed by cron/disabled after just
> > bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days.
> > 
> > In fact, even if bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings > 0, the members will
> > be removed after (bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval X
> > bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings) days as long as cron/disabled is
> > being run daily.
> 
> 
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From lists at viplist.us  Sun Oct  5 12:21:14 2008
From: lists at viplist.us (Lloyd Tennison)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 03:21:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman
Message-ID: <20081005.102114.514.11@SERVER1>

Outlook and Outlook Express adds the translating, but most other email 
clients do not.  

As to Personalization:

Look at Non-Digest Options, the second option should be:

Should Mailman personalize each non-digest delivery? This is often useful for 
announce-only lists, but read the details  section for a discussion of 
important performance issues.
(Details for personalize)

No
Yes
Full Personalization

Full Personalization is preferred if you want to track, as that uses full 
VERP.

Note: Some hosts do not have that option enabled.  Many will enable it if you 
ask.  It is a simple configuration change that takes seconds to do.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Salm, PhD" <edward at LambdaEnt.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>,	<lists at viplist.us>
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:14:54 -0700
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman

> =3d is the escape code for a "=". That is "direct" HTML as translated.
> Regular HTML was used, so that part you were incorrect.
> 
> However...
> You were right on the money about the footer! Wow, that did it. Thank you.
> 
> What do you mean "full personalization"? I don't know what you are referring
> to?
> 
> 
> On 10/4/08 11:41 PM, "Lloyd Tennison" <lists at viplist.us> wrote:
> 
> > Two problems:
> > 
> > 1.   You have image(s) sent in the email.  They ideally are better 
sourced to
> > a server. (It also make the email smaller and transmits faster.)
> > 2.   You are adding a footer to a mime message.  That will quite often 
create
> > havoc with the message.  Make the footer part of the standard HTML coding,
> > and you should be fine.  See
> > http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030707
> > 
> > Also, whatever you are using to create the HTML code is creating errors.
> > 
> > <div align=3D"center"><font face=3D"Verdana" size=3D"1">&lt;&lt;please
> > forward&gt;&gt;</font>
> > 
> > Get something that makes the code directly, and does not add all the "3D" 
and
> > change your "<" and ">" codes, as a start.
> > 
> > I aways recommend to use full personalization, too, in Mailman.  Without 
it
> > the bounce processing does not work as well.
> 
> 
> 

From cite+mailman-users at incertum.net  Sun Oct  5 12:58:16 2008
From: cite+mailman-users at incertum.net (Stefan =?utf-8?Q?F=C3=B6rster?=)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 12:58:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default cahrset for 'de' to ISO8859-15/UTF-8?
In-Reply-To: <48E63ED5.3000006@msapiro.net>
References: <20081003100801.GF21295@mail.incertum.net>
	<48E63ED5.3000006@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <20081005105816.GC4030@mail.incertum.net>

* Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> Stefan F?rster wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if there are any plans to change the default charset for the
>> 'de' locale of Mailman to anything else than ISO8859-1, because this
>> charset cannot even represent our current currency symbol.
> 
> There are no short term plans to change character sets, but if you were
> to publish a bazaar branch with your changes (on launchpad or elsewhere)
> and post a note about it to the mailman-developers at python.org list so
> that the possible implications such as for German speaking Swiss users
> could be discussed, we could easily pick your changes up.

I don't have any idea what you mean by "Bazaar branch", but I will
look into the mailman-developers archive and I found the launchpad
resository for Mailman.

> Longer term, Mailman is moving to full unicode internally and utf-8
> encoding.

That's good news.


Cheers
Stefan
-- 
Stefan F?rster     http://www.incertum.net/     Public Key: 0xBBE2A9E9
Mac OS X ate my ~/.signature.

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct  5 17:03:35 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:03:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20081005.064107.483.5@SERVER1>
Message-ID: <PC187020081005080335071841a6cf31@msapiro>

Lloyd Tennison wrote:
>
>I aways recommend to use full personalization, too, in Mailman.  Without it 
>the bounce processing does not work as well.


Personalization or full personalization only affects bounce processing
if

VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes

 in mm_cfg.py. The thing which improves bounce recognition is VERP, not
personalization and you can enable VERP without personalization by
setting

VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct  5 17:33:57 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:33:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20081005.102114.514.11@SERVER1>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810050833570671f1c45fd8@msapiro>

Lloyd Tennison quoted Edward Salm, PhD
>> 
>> However...
>> You were right on the money about the footer! Wow, that did it. Thank you.


It is known that cPanel Mailman's addition of msg_footer to HTML parts
is broken. See <http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?t=61603>. You
will need to register at the cPanel forums site to see that post, but
since you are having problems with cPanel Mailman, you may want to do
that anyway so you can report your problems to the people who broke
the code.


FWIW, I sent your original directly-source.txt message through a test
list of mine with a msg_footer added, and it came through just fine. a
T'Bird screen shot will be at <http://www.msapiro.net/from_list.png>
for a day or two if you're interested.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct  5 19:37:53 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:37:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default cahrset for 'de' to ISO8859-15/UTF-8?
In-Reply-To: <20081005105816.GC4030@mail.incertum.net>
References: <20081003100801.GF21295@mail.incertum.net>
	<48E63ED5.3000006@msapiro.net>
	<20081005105816.GC4030@mail.incertum.net>
Message-ID: <48E8FB71.2030702@msapiro.net>

Stefan F?rster wrote:
> 
> I don't have any idea what you mean by "Bazaar branch", but I will
> look into the mailman-developers archive and I found the launchpad
> resository for Mailman.

If you go to the code page at <https://code.launchpad.net/mailman>, you
will see the 3 current main branches (2.1, 2.2 and 3.0) and a number of
other branches based on these. These are all Bazaar branches.

Bazaar is a distributed version control system. See
<http://bazaar-vcs.org/>.

Mailman's code development was moved from the prior SourceForge SVN
repository to Bazaar on Launchpad in June of 2007.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lists at viplist.us  Mon Oct  6 00:22:12 2008
From: lists at viplist.us (Lloyd Tennison)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:22:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman
Message-ID: <20081005.222212.186.13@SERVER1>

I thought they all still did not work, as stated in the FAQ's.  Good to know. 
 I will have to test it and see myself.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>
To: lists at viplist.us,	"Edward Salm, PhD" <edward at LambdaEnt.com>,	
mailman-users at python.org
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:33:57 -0700
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman

> Lloyd Tennison quoted Edward Salm, PhD
> >> 
> >> However...
> >> You were right on the money about the footer! Wow, that did it. Thank 
you.
> 
> 
> It is known that cPanel Mailman's addition of msg_footer to HTML parts
> is broken. See <http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?t=61603>. You
> will need to register at the cPanel forums site to see that post, but
> since you are having problems with cPanel Mailman, you may want to do
> that anyway so you can report your problems to the people who broke
> the code.
> 
> 
> FWIW, I sent your original directly-source.txt message through a test
> list of mine with a msg_footer added, and it came through just fine. a
> T'Bird screen shot will be at <http://www.msapiro.net/from_list.png>
> for a day or two if you're interested.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
> 

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  6 02:29:45 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:29:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20081005.222212.186.13@SERVER1>
Message-ID: <PC187020081005172945040678314d83@msapiro>

Lloyd Tennison wrote:

>I thought they all still did not work, as stated in the FAQ's.  Good to know. 
> I will have to test it and see myself.


Whether or not it works depends on your definition of 'work'. I'm not
trying to contradict the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9> which is
a good summary of the situation.

Actually adding the footer to the text/html part is very difficult to
get right as explained in the FAQ and as evidenced by the fact that
cPanel's attempt to do this tends to fail miserably when there are
attached images referenced in the text/html part.

That is why GNU Mailman doesn't try to do it, but simply adds the
footer as a separate MIME part. Some MUAs, e.g. Thunderbird as
evidenced by <http://www.msapiro.net/from_list.png>, do a reasonable
job of rendering such a message. Other MUAs don't do so well.


>----- Original Message -----
>From: Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>
<snip>
>> 
>> It is known that cPanel Mailman's addition of msg_footer to HTML parts
>> is broken. See <http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?t=61603>. You
>> will need to register at the cPanel forums site to see that post, but
>> since you are having problems with cPanel Mailman, you may want to do
>> that anyway so you can report your problems to the people who broke
>> the code.
>> 
>> 
>> FWIW, I sent your original directly-source.txt message through a test
>> list of mine with a msg_footer added, and it came through just fine. a
>> T'Bird screen shot will be at <http://www.msapiro.net/from_list.png>
>> for a day or two if you're interested.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From nitin.bhadauria at tetrain.com  Mon Oct  6 12:31:47 2008
From: nitin.bhadauria at tetrain.com (Nitin Bhadauria)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:01:47 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail are not going out from mailman...
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081005172945040678314d83@msapiro>
References: <PC187020081005172945040678314d83@msapiro>
Message-ID: <48E9E913.40105@tetrain.com>

Dear All,

One of my list with 6000 users is not sending mail to all the users of a 
same domain, I search over the logs of postfix and the only error i 
found is some of the user on the domain are not accepting the mails........

reply: '550 <user at abc.net>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in 
virtual mailbox table\r\n'
reply: retcode (550); Msg: <user at abc.net>: Recipient address rejected: 
User unknown in virtual mailbox table

Is it possible that mailman is not sending mails to all the users on the 
domain or mails are send domain wise so all the mail stuck. Any way i 
didn't find any thing in the qfiles.

Please help me out ...........

Thanks
Nitin

From nitin.bhadauria at tetrain.com  Mon Oct  6 13:52:42 2008
From: nitin.bhadauria at tetrain.com (Nitin Bhadauria)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:22:42 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd:  Mail are not going out from mailman...]
Message-ID: <48E9FC0A.3010905@tetrain.com>

When i check the qfiles they are empty but if i restart mailman it start 
sending all pending mails again is that any where else mailman store 
pending mails request ...


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  6 17:28:44 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:28:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail are not going out from mailman...
In-Reply-To: <48E9E913.40105@tetrain.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810060828440921eae52985@msapiro>

Nitin Bhadauria wrote:
>
>One of my list with 6000 users is not sending mail to all the users of a 
>same domain, I search over the logs of postfix and the only error i 
>found is some of the user on the domain are not accepting the mails........
>
>reply: '550 <user at abc.net>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in 
>virtual mailbox table\r\n'
>reply: retcode (550); Msg: <user at abc.net>: Recipient address rejected: 
>User unknown in virtual mailbox table


And do you see mail being accepted for the users who don't receive it.

The most likely cause of this is the recipient domain is accepting the
mail and then discarding it as spam (or delivering it to the users'
spam or bulk folders). See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/4oA9>.


>Is it possible that mailman is not sending mails to all the users on the 
>domain or mails are send domain wise so all the mail stuck. Any way i 
>didn't find any thing in the qfiles.


and followed up:

>When i check the qfiles they are empty but if i restart mailman it start 
>sending all pending mails again is that any where else mailman store 
>pending mails request ...

No.

As far as the main delivery path is concerned, incoming mail is placed
in a queue entry in qfiles/in. That queue entry is picked up by
IncomingRunner and is processed through a pipeline of handlers and
ultimately queued in qfiles/out for delivery. That entry is picked up
by OutgoingRunner which delivers messages with from one to hundreds of
recipients via SMTP to your Postfix. At that point (after delivery is
complete), it writes the 'post' log entry and the 'smtp' log entry
(<message-id> smtp to list for nnn recips, completed in nn.nnn
seconds).

When the above log entry is written, the mail has all been passed to
Postfix and is no longer in Mailman except for things like archives
and digests. If any SMTP errors occur between Mailman and Postfix,
they are logged in 'smtp-failure' and if retryable, the message with
the failed recipient list is queued in qfiles/retry where it will be
picked up by RetryRunner and requed in qfiles/out after a delay.

If there are no files in qfiles/in/, qfiles/out/ or qfiles/retry,
Mailman is done with message delivery, and it's all in Postfix.
Restarting Mailman can't affect that message unless it is being
processed by a runner at the time of restart in which case, there may
be a .bak file in a queue which will be reprocessed when Mailman
restarts.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From eharvey at lyricsemi.com  Mon Oct  6 18:35:47 2008
From: eharvey at lyricsemi.com (Edward Ned Harvey)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:35:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Formatting the html inside of article.html
Message-ID: <00c201c927d1$96205800$c2610800$@com>

Hey, I'm not sure exactly what and how the escape sequences are getting
processed when generating an archived article out of article.html.

 

I want to have something like this as the end result:

                Reply To: <B>%(author_html)s</B><A
HREF="mailto:%(email_url)s?Subject=RE: %(subject_url)s...

The key is the Colon-Space after "RE" .

Normally I would escape that %58%20 but the system is trying to process my
%58% or something like that.  What would be the proper way to escape the
Colon-Space in there?


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  6 19:05:52 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:05:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Formatting the html inside of article.html
In-Reply-To: <00c201c927d1$96205800$c2610800$@com>
Message-ID: <PC187020081006100552001510067c43@msapiro>

Edward Ned Harvey wrote:

>Hey, I'm not sure exactly what and how the escape sequences are getting
>processed when generating an archived article out of article.html.
>
> 
>
>I want to have something like this as the end result:
>
>                Reply To: <B>%(author_html)s</B><A
>HREF="mailto:%(email_url)s?Subject=RE: %(subject_url)s...
>
>The key is the Colon-Space after "RE" .
>
>Normally I would escape that %58%20 but the system is trying to process my
>%58% or something like that.  What would be the proper way to escape the
>Colon-Space in there?


The '%' character is the leadin for interpolation in templates. Thus if
you want a literal % in a template, you have to double it - %%58%%20.


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From bryon at solidautomation.com  Sun Oct  5 19:13:47 2008
From: bryon at solidautomation.com (bryon at solidautomation.com)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:13:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post by non-member to a members-only list
Message-ID: <20081005131347.u0bqcbadwooocc8s@www.solidautomation.com>

Hello all,

I'm getting this message but yet the person posting IS a member.  Any ideas?

Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list
Bryon



From dorgan at donaldorgan.com  Mon Oct  6 03:46:23 2008
From: dorgan at donaldorgan.com (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:46:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam Problem
Message-ID: <8854988.151223257583324.JavaMail.root@twoguyshosting.com.>

I seem to be getting spam sent through mailman 

I have the following lists setup 

LIPHP (liphp at lists.liphp.org) and mailman 

mailman shouldnt actually be sending any where 

The MTA is exim4 

something sent from mailman at lists.liphp.org is being accepted and looks like sending some spam through it. I dont believe liphp at lists.liphp.org is doing this. 

Can anyone help me?? 

From edward at LambdaEnt.com  Sun Oct  5 11:14:54 2008
From: edward at LambdaEnt.com (Edward Salm, PhD)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:14:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20081005.064107.483.5@SERVER1>
Message-ID: <C50DD39E.3C119%edward@LambdaEnt.com>

=3d is the escape code for a "=". That is "direct" HTML as translated.
Regular HTML was used, so that part you were incorrect.

However...
You were right on the money about the footer! Wow, that did it. Thank you.

What do you mean "full personalization"? I don't know what you are referring
to?


On 10/4/08 11:41 PM, "Lloyd Tennison" <lists at viplist.us> wrote:

> Two problems:
> 
> 1.   You have image(s) sent in the email.  They ideally are better sourced to
> a server. (It also make the email smaller and transmits faster.)
> 2.   You are adding a footer to a mime message.  That will quite often create
> havoc with the message.  Make the footer part of the standard HTML coding,
> and you should be fine.  See
> http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030707
> 
> Also, whatever you are using to create the HTML code is creating errors.
> 
> <div align=3D"center"><font face=3D"Verdana" size=3D"1">&lt;&lt;please
> forward&gt;&gt;</font>
> 
> Get something that makes the code directly, and does not add all the "3D" and
> change your "<" and ">" codes, as a start.
> 
> I aways recommend to use full personalization, too, in Mailman.  Without it
> the bounce processing does not work as well.



From edward at LambdaEnt.com  Sun Oct  5 11:21:20 2008
From: edward at LambdaEnt.com (Edward Salm, PhD)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:21:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
In-Reply-To: <20081005.064921.843.7@SERVER1>
Message-ID: <C50DD520.3C11B%edward@LambdaEnt.com>

I am using the cPanel version of Mailman, as someone pointed out earlier.
This is at my webhost, and I do not have such access to those logs.

What cPanel does give me is a graphical user interface. It shows that bogus
user that I subscribed manually as having the status of "nomail (Reason
[b])" which I assume to mean bounce. It would have to be a hard bounce, as
it was a non-existent email address.

A screen shot of that interface as mentioned, is here:

http://www.lambdaent.com/pub/mailman/membership.jpg



On 10/4/08 11:49 PM, "Lloyd Tennison" <lists at viplist.us> wrote:

> What do the bounce logs say about that user? Did the bounce register?  Not
> all hard or soft bounces can be determined.  I actually scan my mail logs
> for hard bounces and delete them even faster than Mailman would.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edward Salm, PhD" <edward at LambdaEnt.com>
> To: "mailman-users at python.org" <mailman-users at python.org>
> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:19:03 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
> 
>> bounce_score_threshold = 1.0
>> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0
>> 
>> It's been 24 hours and the bogus user is still there.



From edward at LambdaEnt.com  Sun Oct  5 12:47:10 2008
From: edward at LambdaEnt.com (Edward Salm, PhD)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 03:47:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20081005.102114.514.11@SERVER1>
Message-ID: <C50DE93E.3C133%edward@LambdaEnt.com>

The email programs that sent the mail both Apple Mail and Thunderbird, so it
appears that Microsoft is not the only culprit. I would have assumed
(perhaps incorrectly) that Thunderbird uses "standards".

I have just contacted my webhost, hostforweb.com, regarding the
Personalization option, as well as cron/disbaled.

We're getting closer!


On 10/5/08 3:21 AM, "Lloyd Tennison" <lists at viplist.us> wrote:

> Outlook and Outlook Express adds the translating, but most other email
> clients do not.  
> 
> As to Personalization:
> 
> Look at Non-Digest Options, the second option should be:
> 
> Should Mailman personalize each non-digest delivery? This is often useful for
> announce-only lists, but read the details  section for a discussion of
> important performance issues.
> (Details for personalize)
> 
> No
> Yes
> Full Personalization
> 
> Full Personalization is preferred if you want to track, as that uses full
> VERP.
> 
> Note: Some hosts do not have that option enabled.  Many will enable it if you
> ask.  It is a simple configuration change that takes seconds to do.



From edward at LambdaEnt.com  Sun Oct  5 22:10:42 2008
From: edward at LambdaEnt.com (Edward Salm, PhD)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:10:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810050833570671f1c45fd8@msapiro>
Message-ID: <C50E6D52.3C19B%edward@LambdaEnt.com>

Thanks to everyone. All problems solved.

That is, after I sent the message and found out my host had a 500/hour
limit. *(@&*(#&!@!! They raised it temporarily, and it was just sent.

Whew.

This was my first time working with mailman. It was a little quirky, but
everything worked out.

Again, thanks for your patience and diligence.


--
Edward Salm, PhD
Lambda Enterprises
edward at LambdaEnt.com
www.LambdaEnt.com
213 483 4800


"[Personhole] is not an acceptable de-sexed word."
-- Shirley Dean, councilperson, Berkeley (CA) City Council, explaining why
the Council changed the wording in a sewer equipment request back to manhole
cover.


From brad at shub-internet.org  Mon Oct  6 19:40:26 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:40:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post by non-member to a members-only list
In-Reply-To: <20081005131347.u0bqcbadwooocc8s@www.solidautomation.com>
References: <20081005131347.u0bqcbadwooocc8s@www.solidautomation.com>
Message-ID: <48EA4D8A.40100@shub-internet.org>

bryon at solidautomation.com wrote:

> I'm getting this message but yet the person posting IS a member.  Any 
> ideas?
> 
> Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list

They must be posting to the list from a different address than the one they 
are subscribed as.

-- 
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LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  6 19:50:03 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:50:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam Problem
In-Reply-To: <8854988.151223257583324.JavaMail.root@twoguyshosting.com.>
Message-ID: <PC18702008100610500300629c19b0c1@msapiro>

Donald J. Organ IV wrote:

>I seem to be getting spam sent through mailman 
>
>I have the following lists setup 
>
>LIPHP (liphp at lists.liphp.org) and mailman 
>
>mailman shouldnt actually be sending any where 
>
>The MTA is exim4 
>
>something sent from mailman at lists.liphp.org is being accepted and looks like sending some spam through it. I dont believe liphp at lists.liphp.org is doing this. 
>
>Can anyone help me?? 


Not without more information. Can you post the complete headers from
one of the spam messages. Then perhaps we can see where the mail is
coming from.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From kd5de at nwla.com  Mon Oct  6 19:43:06 2008
From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel Sojka)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:43:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscribe Digest members
Message-ID: <48EA4E2A.70808@nwla.com>

I know it must be somewhere in the wiki but have yet to find it and 
google went everywhere else. I have a long list of both regular and 
digest members how can I mass subscribe the digest members or even 
better both combined?
Mel

-- 
System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com
Linux User #25446    Linux 2.6.20


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  6 20:05:17 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:05:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscribe Digest members
In-Reply-To: <48EA4E2A.70808@nwla.com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008100611051707650a2fed0e@msapiro>

Mel Sojka wrote:

>I know it must be somewhere in the wiki but have yet to find it and 
>google went everywhere else. I have a long list of both regular and 
>digest members how can I mass subscribe the digest members or even 
>better both combined?


If you have command line access, use bin/add_members.

Through the web you need to first set Digest options ->
digest_is_default to Digest and then mass subscribe the digest
members. Then set Digest options -> digest_is_default back to Regular
and mass subscribe the regular members.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From cpz at tuunq.com  Mon Oct  6 19:43:01 2008
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:43:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post by non-member to a members-only list
In-Reply-To: <20081005131347.u0bqcbadwooocc8s@www.solidautomation.com> from
	"bryon@solidautomation.com" at "Oct 5, 2008 01:13:47 pm"
Message-ID: <20081006174302.275D07AE@mail.tuunq.com>

In a flurry of recycled electrons, bryon at solidautomation.com wrote:

> I'm getting this message but yet the person posting IS a member.  Any ideas?

Did it ever work for them? Has their email address changed recently? 

AFAIK If they're subscribed & receiving mail as fred at gggg.org and the 
server is sending the mail as fred at ttt.gggg.org, it'll be rejected. 
(I ran into this myself a few years ago.)

z!

From eharvey at lyricsemi.com  Mon Oct  6 20:38:51 2008
From: eharvey at lyricsemi.com (Edward Ned Harvey)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:38:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Formatting the html inside of article.html
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081006100552001510067c43@msapiro>
References: <00c201c927d1$96205800$c2610800$@com>
	<PC187020081006100552001510067c43@msapiro>
Message-ID: <003401c927e2$c79dceb0$56d96c10$@com>

> The '%' character is the leadin for interpolation in templates. Thus if
> you want a literal % in a template, you have to double it - %%58%%20.

Thanks, that's very helpful - 

Next question - 

I am looking at the "&In-Reply-To=" of the email url.  I know you said this
was a bug fixed in 2.1.10, however, due to selinux messing around with the
"apache" and "mailman" users' processes, I spent about a day or two trying
to build my own mailman unsuccessfully.  I reverted to 2.1.9 from rpm (on
centos 5.1). Which is the latest released rpm build.

I am hoping the bug fix is really easy, like "change line 202 in pipermai.py
from self._in_reply_to = message['in-reply-to'] to blahblahblah"
...  I am familiar with svn, but not bzr ... I'm hoping I don't need to
learn bzr for this...  But I'll do that if it's the only way...

By any chance, can you tell me a simple change, to fix the In-Reply-To
problem?

Thanks again...


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  6 20:51:12 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Formatting the html inside of article.html
In-Reply-To: <003401c927e2$c79dceb0$56d96c10$@com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008100611511203907e7780d2@msapiro>

Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
>
>I am looking at the "&In-Reply-To=" of the email url.  I know you said this
>was a bug fixed in 2.1.10, however, due to selinux messing around with the
>"apache" and "mailman" users' processes, I spent about a day or two trying
>to build my own mailman unsuccessfully.  I reverted to 2.1.9 from rpm (on
>centos 5.1). Which is the latest released rpm build.
>
>I am hoping the bug fix is really easy, like "change line 202 in pipermai.py
>from self._in_reply_to = message['in-reply-to'] to blahblahblah"
>...  I am familiar with svn, but not bzr ... I'm hoping I don't need to
>learn bzr for this...  But I'll do that if it's the only way...
>
>By any chance, can you tell me a simple change, to fix the In-Reply-To
>problem?


Yes, it's very simple. See
<http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/revision/1017>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From kelly.terry.jones at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 21:21:21 2008
From: kelly.terry.jones at gmail.com (Kelly Jones)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:21:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Developers Guide?
Message-ID: <26face530810061221hd527adcsd7cae1634e8158ef@mail.gmail.com>

It took me a long time to figure out that Mailman's 'virgin' directory
was for messages that Mailman created itself. Is stuff like this
documented somewhere? Is there a developer's guide to Mailman out
there?

-- 
We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying
to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to
new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile.

From eharvey at lyricsemi.com  Mon Oct  6 21:36:59 2008
From: eharvey at lyricsemi.com (Edward Ned Harvey)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:36:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Formatting the html inside of article.html
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008100611511203907e7780d2@msapiro>
References: <003401c927e2$c79dceb0$56d96c10$@com>
	<PC18702008100611511203907e7780d2@msapiro>
Message-ID: <003701c927ea$e69206d0$b3b61470$@com>

> >By any chance, can you tell me a simple change, to fix the In-Reply-To
> >problem?
> 
> 
> Yes, it's very simple. See
> <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-
> coders/mailman/2.1/revision/1017>.

Awesome.  You're the best.  :-)
And I'm glad to see the other "bugfix" in there too, addition of "Re: "
because that's exactly what I just did myself over here.  :-)

I don't know if this is something you'd like to include, but here's another
thing I just did:

Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py:
Approx Line 473:
             emailurl = self.email
             d["author_html"] = self.quote(author)
             d["email_url"] = url_quote(emailurl)
+            d["list_email_html"] = self.quote(self._mlist.GetListEmail())
+            d["list_email_url"] = url_quote(self._mlist.GetListEmail())
             d["datestr_html"] = self.quote(i18n.ctime(int(self.date)))
             d["body"] = self._get_body()
             d['listurl'] = self._mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1)


templates/en/article.html
Approx Line 12:
  </HEAD>
  <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">
    <H1>%(subject_html)s</H1>
-    <B>%(author_html)s</B>
+    Reply To: <B>%(author_html)s</B>
     <A
HREF="mailto:%(email_url)s?Subject=%(subject_url)s&In-Reply-To=%(in_reply_to
_url)s"
        TITLE="%(subject_html)s">%(email_html)s
        </A><BR>
+    Reply To: <B>%(listname)s</B>
+    <A
HREF="mailto:%(list_email_url)s?Subject=%(subject_url)s&In-Reply-To=%(in_rep
ly_to_url)s"
+       TITLE="%(subject_html)s">%(list_email_html)s
+       </A><BR>
     <I>%(datestr_html)s</I>
     <P><UL>



From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  6 21:37:18 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:37:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Developers Guide?
In-Reply-To: <26face530810061221hd527adcsd7cae1634e8158ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC187020081006123718060971591ab3@msapiro>

Kelly Jones wrote:

>It took me a long time to figure out that Mailman's 'virgin' directory
>was for messages that Mailman created itself. Is stuff like this
>documented somewhere? Is there a developer's guide to Mailman out
>there?


UTSL

There's really nothing beyond that. Mailman 3 will be better.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lists at gmnet.net  Tue Oct  7 00:29:38 2008
From: lists at gmnet.net (Rick Bragg)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:29:38 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and SMS
Message-ID: <1223332178.8944.552.camel@thor>

Hello,

Is there a way to thin down Mailman to work nicely with SMS?  I would
like to set up a system similar to Twitter. Has anyone done this at all?

I know it is a stretch for Mailman. Also other middle-ware software is
needed for the web-app part.  

It is very important that all web pages be totally customizable, and
mobile screen friendly, and also that all text message text be very
short and also totally customizable.

It seems that Mailman only allows "some" customizations. It is also very
important that updates (via apt-get for example) work without killing
the customizations.

Please let me know your thoughts about it.

Thanks!
Rick


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believed to be clean.


From cpz at tuunq.com  Tue Oct  7 00:58:31 2008
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:58:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and SMS
In-Reply-To: <1223332178.8944.552.camel@thor> from Rick Bragg at "Oct 6, 2008
	10:29:38 pm"
Message-ID: <20081006225832.218107AE@mail.tuunq.com>

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Rick Bragg wrote:

> It is very important that all web pages be totally customizable, and
> mobile screen friendly, and also that all text message text be very
> short and also totally customizable.

They are all customizable, provided that you don't mind hacking the
python code that generates many of them. Not a project for the faint-
hearted, IMHO.

z!

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct  7 01:13:36 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:13:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and SMS
In-Reply-To: <20081006225832.218107AE@mail.tuunq.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810061613360015e50e93f3@msapiro>

Carl Zwanzig wrote:

>In a flurry of recycled electrons, Rick Bragg wrote:
>
>> It is very important that all web pages be totally customizable, and
>> mobile screen friendly, and also that all text message text be very
>> short and also totally customizable.
>
>They are all customizable, provided that you don't mind hacking the
>python code that generates many of them. Not a project for the faint-
>hearted, IMHO.


But only template customizations survive package upgrades.

The situation will improve in Mailman 3. Actually, it was intended that
the main thrust of Mailman 2.2 be an improved web UI, but that part of
2.2 appears stalled at the moment.

This thread would probably fit better on mailman-developers
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brad at shub-internet.org  Tue Oct  7 01:59:33 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:59:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and SMS
In-Reply-To: <1223332178.8944.552.camel@thor>
References: <1223332178.8944.552.camel@thor>
Message-ID: <48EAA665.6010301@shub-internet.org>

Rick Bragg wrote:

> Is there a way to thin down Mailman to work nicely with SMS?  I would
> like to set up a system similar to Twitter. Has anyone done this at all?

Your biggest problem here is not Mailman.  Your biggest problem is that all 
mail-to-SMS gateways that are in operation, especially including the 
official gateways that are operated by the carriers, literally throw away 
billions and billions of SMS messages per day, simply because they're 
overloaded -- too much spam.

The highest level of service that the carriers provide regarding SMS 
messages are those messages which are sent from one handset to another.  And 
even there they toss away billions and billions of SMS messages per day.


So, do you really want to be shouting into hurricane force winds?


Solve the back-end SMS problems on the carriers, and then you can worry 
about whether it makes sense to try to do any of the rest.  Otherwise, why 
bother?

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From nitin.bhadauria at tetrain.com  Tue Oct  7 08:05:47 2008
From: nitin.bhadauria at tetrain.com (Nitin Bhadauria)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:35:47 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail are not going out from mailman...
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810060828440921eae52985@msapiro>
References: <PC1870200810060828440921eae52985@msapiro>
Message-ID: <48EAFC3B.2030800@tetrain.com>

Dear Sir,

I found the problem the "Bounce processing" option was disabled. The 
mailman send the mail to 500 rcpt at once because of the 20 user are 
says User unknown in virtual mailbox table so all the 500 mails are keep 
bouncing between mailman and postfix.

Thanks
Nitin Bhadauria

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Nitin Bhadauria wrote:
>   
>> One of my list with 6000 users is not sending mail to all the users of a 
>> same domain, I search over the logs of postfix and the only error i 
>> found is some of the user on the domain are not accepting the mails........
>>
>> reply: '550 <user at abc.net>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in 
>> virtual mailbox table\r\n'
>> reply: retcode (550); Msg: <user at abc.net>: Recipient address rejected: 
>> User unknown in virtual mailbox table
>>     
>
>
> And do you see mail being accepted for the users who don't receive it.
>
> The most likely cause of this is the recipient domain is accepting the
> mail and then discarding it as spam (or delivering it to the users'
> spam or bulk folders). See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/4oA9>.
>
>
>   
>> Is it possible that mailman is not sending mails to all the users on the 
>> domain or mails are send domain wise so all the mail stuck. Any way i 
>> didn't find any thing in the qfiles.
>>     
>
>
> and followed up:
>
>   
>> When i check the qfiles they are empty but if i restart mailman it start 
>> sending all pending mails again is that any where else mailman store 
>> pending mails request ...
>>     
>
> No.
>
> As far as the main delivery path is concerned, incoming mail is placed
> in a queue entry in qfiles/in. That queue entry is picked up by
> IncomingRunner and is processed through a pipeline of handlers and
> ultimately queued in qfiles/out for delivery. That entry is picked up
> by OutgoingRunner which delivers messages with from one to hundreds of
> recipients via SMTP to your Postfix. At that point (after delivery is
> complete), it writes the 'post' log entry and the 'smtp' log entry
> (<message-id> smtp to list for nnn recips, completed in nn.nnn
> seconds).
>
> When the above log entry is written, the mail has all been passed to
> Postfix and is no longer in Mailman except for things like archives
> and digests. If any SMTP errors occur between Mailman and Postfix,
> they are logged in 'smtp-failure' and if retryable, the message with
> the failed recipient list is queued in qfiles/retry where it will be
> picked up by RetryRunner and requed in qfiles/out after a delay.
>
> If there are no files in qfiles/in/, qfiles/out/ or qfiles/retry,
> Mailman is done with message delivery, and it's all in Postfix.
> Restarting Mailman can't affect that message unless it is being
> processed by a runner at the time of restart in which case, there may
> be a .bak file in a queue which will be reprocessed when Mailman
> restarts.
>
>   


From edward at LambdaEnt.com  Tue Oct  7 14:35:38 2008
From: edward at LambdaEnt.com (Edward Salm, PhD)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:35:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unhide all
In-Reply-To: <48EAA665.6010301@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <C510A5AA.3C24D%edward@LambdaEnt.com>

All of my members have the "hide" bit set, so doing a "who" returns no
members. As "private_roster" is "list admin only", this obviously was
unnecessary.

So, two questions:
1 - How can I unhide everyone?
2 - What do I change to make new members not hidden?



From mbx at sgtst.com  Tue Oct  7 17:06:47 2008
From: mbx at sgtst.com (Nancy Shoemaker)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:06:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam Problem
Message-ID: <E1KnE9I-0000F8-9l@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I've seen one recent instance of this as well.

Mailman version - 2.1.11

 From the log file:
/usr/local/mailman/logs/post:
Oct 06 08:14:21 2008 (25523) post to aauwnc-list from 
noreply at myyearbook.com, size=7721, 
message-id=<B7.79.09034.A5CF9E84 at smtp01.scs.myyearbook.com>, success

"noreply at myyearbook.com" is not a subscriber (!), and the the 
"generic_nonmember_action" is set to "discard".

I sent a support request to MyYearbook.com (which does look like a 
valid site -- though with loose rules on encouraging subscribers to 
invite others), but haven't heard back.

The headers of the message that got through to the list didn't 
include any reference to a subscriber to the list, but a message that 
was delivered to my personal mailbox had a "Reply-To" header that 
allowed me to track down the subscriber who probably inadvertently 
spammed her entire address book with these messages. In other words, 
the headers of the message I got outside of Mailman included:

From: myYearbook.com<noreply at myyearbook.com>
Subject: Is Barbara Your Friend? Please respond!!
x-mybid: bmFuY3lzaG9lbWFrZXJAbWluZHNwcmluZy5jb20=
To: <my personal address>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Reply-To: "Barbara" <a list subscriber's address>

I don't see the "Reply-To" header in the Mailman message (and, 
indeed, the message that got through to the list has no way to tell 
which Barbara sent it).

I believe this is the expected behavior for mismatched "reply-to" and 
"From" headers. Is there any way that such a mismatch could be 
considered a flag to be logged (so the real sender could be tracked 
down) or to trigger moderation -- with exceptions for "reply to the 
list" of course?



From lobetano at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 19:36:48 2008
From: lobetano at gmail.com (m-angel)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:36:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Understanding logs
Message-ID: <37493e50810061036sab72a11kc58255ea22676b4@mail.gmail.com>

hi gurus,i m a novel mailman user ,ill like developer a tool for tracer a
mail send to a list

log sendmail--->losg mailman vettte,post,smtp,error ...

Where I can find information about the logs and like works mailman?

thre are tools ?

thx

From nwilson123 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 15:20:49 2008
From: nwilson123 at gmail.com (Neil)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:20:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dear "name" field
Message-ID: <48EB6231.6040403@gmail.com>

Hi guys,

Is there is any way to get Mailman to specify "Dear person's name" for 
example at the top of each person's email.

EG:

Dear John,

This month in bla bla bla bla....

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks.

Regards.

Neil


This email and all contents are subject to the following disclaimer:
http://www.dcdata.co.za/emaildisclaimer.html


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct  7 18:05:57 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:05:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unhide all
In-Reply-To: <C510A5AA.3C24D%edward@LambdaEnt.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810070905570578d6e120bb@msapiro>

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:
>
>So, two questions:
>1 - How can I unhide everyone?


Since you don't have command line access you need to do this through
the web. Use the script at
<http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/mailman-subscribers.py>.

This script runs on your workstation and require that Python
<http://www.python.org/> be installed there.


>2 - What do I change to make new members not hidden?


On the General Options page uncheck "Conceal the member's address" in
new_member_options.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct  7 18:11:59 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:11:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail are not going out from mailman...
In-Reply-To: <48EAFC3B.2030800@tetrain.com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008100709115901714c231ea6@msapiro>

Nitin Bhadauria wrote:
>
>I found the problem the "Bounce processing" option was disabled. The 
>mailman send the mail to 500 rcpt at once because of the 20 user are 
>says User unknown in virtual mailbox table so all the 500 mails are keep 
>bouncing between mailman and postfix.


Enabling bounce processing in this situation will just remove valid
member addresses from your list. What you need to do is set

SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10

(or some number less than 20) in mm_cfg.py, so you don't ever have more
than 20 recipients to one domain.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct  7 18:28:25 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:28:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam Problem
In-Reply-To: <E1KnE9I-0000F8-9l@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <PC187020081007092825034343cc6f30@msapiro>

Nancy Shoemaker wrote:
>
>The headers of the message that got through to the list didn't 
>include any reference to a subscriber to the list, but a message that 
>was delivered to my personal mailbox had a "Reply-To" header that 
>allowed me to track down the subscriber who probably inadvertently 
>spammed her entire address book with these messages. In other words, 
>the headers of the message I got outside of Mailman included:
>
>From: myYearbook.com<noreply at myyearbook.com>
>Subject: Is Barbara Your Friend? Please respond!!
>x-mybid: bmFuY3lzaG9lbWFrZXJAbWluZHNwcmluZy5jb20=
>To: <my personal address>
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
>Reply-To: "Barbara" <a list subscriber's address>
>
>I don't see the "Reply-To" header in the Mailman message (and, 
>indeed, the message that got through to the list has no way to tell 
>which Barbara sent it).
>
>I believe this is the expected behavior for mismatched "reply-to" and 
>"From" headers. Is there any way that such a mismatch could be 
>considered a flag to be logged (so the real sender could be tracked 
>down) or to trigger moderation -- with exceptions for "reply to the 
>list" of course?


A post is considered to be from a member if a member's address is in
any of the From:, Reply-To: or Sender: headers or is the envelope
sender.

Normally, the Reply-To: address in the incoming post will also be in
the message sent to the list, but if you do Reply-To: munging
(first_strip_reply_to = Yes), it will be removed.

If you don't want to accept posts where only the Reply-To: address is a
list member, set

SENDER_HEADERS = ('from', None, 'sender')

in mm_cfg.py. The default is

SENDER_HEADERS = ('from', None, 'reply-to', 'sender')

where None means the envelope sender.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct  7 18:39:33 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:39:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dear "name" field
In-Reply-To: <48EB6231.6040403@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810070939330937ebbd354a@msapiro>

Neil wrote:
>
>Is there is any way to get Mailman to specify "Dear person's name" for 
>example at the top of each person's email.
>
>EG:
>
>Dear John,
>
>This month in bla bla bla bla....


You can enable personalization for the list. If you don't see the
'personalize' settings on the Non-digest options list admin page, you
or your provider need to enable it by putting

OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes

in mm_cfg.py. Then you can put something like

Dear %(user_name)s,

in msg_header, but note that this will only work well if the messages
are plain text with no attachments. If the message is HTML, the header
will be inserted in a separate MIME part which almost certainly will
not give the result you want.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From zszalbot at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 18:46:07 2008
From: zszalbot at gmail.com (Zbigniew Szalbot)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:46:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dear "name" field
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810070939330937ebbd354a@msapiro>
References: <48EB6231.6040403@gmail.com>
	<PC1870200810070939330937ebbd354a@msapiro>
Message-ID: <94136a2c0810070946w38e76912of687f8d3778c410a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

> You can enable personalization for the list. If you don't see the
> 'personalize' settings on the Non-digest options list admin page, you
> or your provider need to enable it by putting
>
> OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes
>
> in mm_cfg.py. Then you can put something like
>
> Dear %(user_name)s,

But there is one more issue here, I think. Not every uses signs up by
entering their name. I am not sure but you will probably get

Dear ,

in that case. Also, sometimes users put nicknames like "I hate you"
and the like stuff. You can easily imagine the effect here. ;)

So in other words, if you cannot make sure all users have names in
Mailman database, it may not be worth it.

-- 
Zbigniew Szalbot

From mbx at sgtst.com  Tue Oct  7 19:07:49 2008
From: mbx at sgtst.com (Nancy Shoemaker)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:07:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam Problem
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081007092825034343cc6f30@msapiro>
References: <E1KnE9I-0000F8-9l@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<PC187020081007092825034343cc6f30@msapiro>
Message-ID: <E1KnG2R-0003Rm-Ds@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

At 12:28 PM 10/7/2008, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>A post is considered to be from a member if a member's address is in
>any of the From:, Reply-To: or Sender: headers or is the envelope
>sender.
>
>Normally, the Reply-To: address in the incoming post will also be in
>the message sent to the list, but if you do Reply-To: munging
>(first_strip_reply_to = Yes), it will be removed.
>
>If you don't want to accept posts where only the Reply-To: address is a
>list member, set
>
>SENDER_HEADERS = ('from', None, 'sender')
>
>in mm_cfg.py. The default is
>
>SENDER_HEADERS = ('from', None, 'reply-to', 'sender')
>
>where None means the envelope sender.

Thanks, Mark.

I'd forgotten about the "first_strip_reply_to" option-- and never 
thought about this implication.

I'm just the administrator of the list(s), and don't have direct 
access to the mm_cfg.py file. This is a rare enough occurrence, that 
I'm unlikely to ask the server administrator to make a change.

But I will reset the "first_strip_reply_to" settings. Thanks, again!


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct  7 19:25:10 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:25:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Understanding logs
In-Reply-To: <37493e50810061036sab72a11kc58255ea22676b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810071025100890c9c97144@msapiro>

m-angel wrote:

>hi gurus,i m a novel mailman user ,ill like developer a tool for tracer a
>mail send to a list
>
>log sendmail--->losg mailman vettte,post,smtp,error ...
>
>Where I can find information about the logs and like works mailman?


There is very little documentation of log messages. The 'post', 'smtp'
and 'smtp-failure' messages are defined and documented in Defaults.py
(see the SMTP_LOG_* settings).

For the others, you need to search the source and/or read the logs.


>thre are tools ?


Brad Knowles' daily staus report script is in the Mailman distribution
contrib/ directory and at
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1123383&group_id=103&atid=300103>.
It reads Mailman's logs and produces a summary report.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dbgsystems at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 03:51:38 2008
From: dbgsystems at gmail.com (Darragh Gammell)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:51:38 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Create List Aliases
Message-ID: <d9bbc88c0810071851w7fcb0abdj9d8c45742d3ae535@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I recently upgraded mailman and somehow Ive broken things.

When I used to create a list it added entries in my Aliases file like:

# STANZA START: darragh
# CREATED: Fri Apr 13 17:22:27 2007
darragh:             darragh at lists.blah.net.au
darragh-admin:       darragh-admin at lists.blah.net.au
darragh-bounces:     darragh-bounces at lists.blah.net.au
darragh-confirm:     darragh-confirm at lists.blah.net.au
darragh-join:        darragh-join at lists.blah.net.au
darragh-leave:       darragh-leave at lists.blah.net.au
darragh-owner:       darragh-owner at lists.blah.net.au
darragh-request:     darragh-request at lists.blah.net.au
darragh-subscribe:   darragh-subscribe at lists.blah.net.au
darragh-unsubscribe: darragh-unsubscribe at lists.blah.net.au
# STANZA END: darragh

After the upgrade its adding entries like:

# STANZA START: darraghwwqq
# CREATED: Wed Oct  8 12:20:00 2008
darraghwwqq:             "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post darraghwwqq"
darraghwwqq-admin:       "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin darraghwwqq"
darraghwwqq-bounces:     "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces
darraghwwqq"
darraghwwqq-confirm:     "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm
darraghwwqq"
darraghwwqq-join:        "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join darraghwwqq"
darraghwwqq-leave:       "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave darraghwwqq"
darraghwwqq-owner:       "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner darraghwwqq"
darraghwwqq-request:     "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request
darraghwwqq"
darraghwwqq-subscribe:   "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
darraghwwqq"
darraghwwqq-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
darraghwwqq"
# STANZA END: darraghwwqq


Can someone please indicate where I've gone wrong

Thanks

Darragh

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct  8 04:13:44 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:13:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Create List Aliases
In-Reply-To: <d9bbc88c0810071851w7fcb0abdj9d8c45742d3ae535@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810071913440234c9c96ed6@msapiro>

Darragh Gammell wrote:
>
>I recently upgraded mailman and somehow Ive broken things.
>
>When I used to create a list it added entries in my Aliases file like:
>
># STANZA START: darragh
># CREATED: Fri Apr 13 17:22:27 2007
>darragh:             darragh at lists.blah.net.au
>darragh-admin:       darragh-admin at lists.blah.net.au
>darragh-bounces:     darragh-bounces at lists.blah.net.au
>darragh-confirm:     darragh-confirm at lists.blah.net.au
>darragh-join:        darragh-join at lists.blah.net.au
>darragh-leave:       darragh-leave at lists.blah.net.au
>darragh-owner:       darragh-owner at lists.blah.net.au
>darragh-request:     darragh-request at lists.blah.net.au
>darragh-subscribe:   darragh-subscribe at lists.blah.net.au
>darragh-unsubscribe: darragh-unsubscribe at lists.blah.net.au
># STANZA END: darragh
>
>After the upgrade its adding entries like:
>
># STANZA START: darraghwwqq
># CREATED: Wed Oct  8 12:20:00 2008
>darraghwwqq:             "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post darraghwwqq"
>darraghwwqq-admin:       "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin darraghwwqq"
>darraghwwqq-bounces:     "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces
>darraghwwqq"
>darraghwwqq-confirm:     "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm
>darraghwwqq"
>darraghwwqq-join:        "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join darraghwwqq"
>darraghwwqq-leave:       "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave darraghwwqq"
>darraghwwqq-owner:       "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner darraghwwqq"
>darraghwwqq-request:     "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request
>darraghwwqq"
>darraghwwqq-subscribe:   "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
>darraghwwqq"
>darraghwwqq-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
>darraghwwqq"
># STANZA END: darraghwwqq
>
>
>Can someone please indicate where I've gone wrong


You had some patches or other customizations to create the first format
and something else non-standard to make it work, and your upgrade
replaced patched modules with standard modules and restored the
standard behavior.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From bjames at cisco.com  Wed Oct  8 04:22:14 2008
From: bjames at cisco.com (bjames at cisco.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:22:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk update of list member names?
Message-ID: <200810080222.m982MEu7026672@isbu-view13.cisco.com>

If one has an existing mailing list with just email addresses,
is there any procedure available to bulk-update the list membership
with the subscribers' names (short of unsubscribing and re-subscribing
the list members)?

The "set" email command does not appear to have an option to
change the name field.

I'm looking for a procedure that does not require shell access on
the list sever, if possible.

Thanks.

Beau

From edward at LambdaEnt.com  Wed Oct  8 04:39:58 2008
From: edward at LambdaEnt.com (Edward Salm, PhD)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:39:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe stats
In-Reply-To: <C510A5AA.3C24D%edward@LambdaEnt.com>
Message-ID: <C5116B8E.3C2AA%edward@LambdaEnt.com>

Is there a way to obtain subscribe/unsubscribe statistics, i.e. How many
have occurred within a given period?

I do not need or want notification of every subscribe and unsubscribe, but
it would be nice to know some stats.

admin_notify_mchanges is off



From edward at LambdaEnt.com  Wed Oct  8 04:41:08 2008
From: edward at LambdaEnt.com (Edward Salm, PhD)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:41:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unhide all
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810070905570578d6e120bb@msapiro>
Message-ID: <C5116BD4.3C2AD%edward@LambdaEnt.com>

Thank you. That worked perfectly!


On 10/7/08 9:05 AM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> Edward Salm, PhD wrote:
>> 
>> So, two questions:
>> 1 - How can I unhide everyone?
> 
> 
> Since you don't have command line access you need to do this through
> the web. Use the script at
> <http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/mailman-subscribers.py>.
> 
> This script runs on your workstation and require that Python
> <http://www.python.org/> be installed there.
> 
> 
>> 2 - What do I change to make new members not hidden?
> 
> 
> On the General Options page uncheck "Conceal the member's address" in
> new_member_options.



From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Oct  8 04:44:45 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:44:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe stats
In-Reply-To: <C5116B8E.3C2AA%edward@LambdaEnt.com>
References: <C5116B8E.3C2AA%edward@LambdaEnt.com>
Message-ID: <48EC1E9D.5060009@shub-internet.org>

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:

> Is there a way to obtain subscribe/unsubscribe statistics, i.e. How many
> have occurred within a given period?

I don't think there's anything currently existing in this space, no. 
But it wouldn't be too hard to modify the mmdsr script that I wrote to 
incorporate this kind of stuff.

See <http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030678> for more 
info.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct  8 05:04:53 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:04:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk update of list member names?
In-Reply-To: <200810080222.m982MEu7026672@isbu-view13.cisco.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810072004530968c9c971bd@msapiro>

bjames at cisco.com wrote:

>If one has an existing mailing list with just email addresses,
>is there any procedure available to bulk-update the list membership
>with the subscribers' names (short of unsubscribing and re-subscribing
>the list members)?
>
>The "set" email command does not appear to have an option to
>change the name field.
>
>I'm looking for a procedure that does not require shell access on
>the list sever, if possible.


The following script based on
<http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/unhide.py> will read a
file (subscribers.txt) of list members, one per line, in the form

Real Name <rn at example.com>
"R. Name" <rn at example.net>
etc.

parse it into name and address and update the real name for address to
name. It requires python on your work station and the obvious changes
for listname, options_url and password.

---------------------------------------------------
#!/usr/bin/env python
import email
import urllib

listname = 'mylist'
options_url = 'http://www.example.com/mailman/options/'
password = 'listpassword'

subscribers = open('subscribers.txt', 'rt')
                                                                       
        

for subscriber in subscribers:
    name, addr = email.Utils.parseaddr(subscriber)
    if name and addr:
        params = urllib.urlencode({'password':password,
                                   'fullname':name,
                                   'change-of-address':1})
        u = urllib.urlopen('%s%s/%s' %
                           (options_url, listname, urllib.quote(addr)),
                           params)
        u.close()
---------------------------------------------------

You could also do the same thing with, for example, a shell script and
wget. This URL will change the real name for user at example.com to Real
Name:

http://www.example.com/mailman/options/mylist/user%40example.com?password=listpassword&fullname=Real%20Name&change-of-address=1

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct  8 05:10:13 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:10:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe stats
In-Reply-To: <C5116B8E.3C2AA%edward@LambdaEnt.com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008100720101305154e106fd0@msapiro>

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:

>Is there a way to obtain subscribe/unsubscribe statistics, i.e. How many
>have occurred within a given period?
>
>I do not need or want notification of every subscribe and unsubscribe, but
>it would be nice to know some stats.
>
>admin_notify_mchanges is off


You can get the raw data from Mailman's subscribe log if you have
access to it (that's where mmdsr would get it).

Otherwise, the only way I know is to set admin_notify_mchanges On and
collect and summarize the emails.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From kelly.terry.jones at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 05:33:26 2008
From: kelly.terry.jones at gmail.com (Kelly Jones)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:33:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] withlist -q still not quiet
Message-ID: <26face530810072033x32b2c302t35086381083da8a9@mail.gmail.com>

Why does "withlist -q test" say "The variable `m' is the test MailList
instance". Shouldn't -q suppress that message?

It's annoying because I run withlist stuff in cron and want it to run
silently unless there are errors. I realize I can:

2| fgrep -v 'the variable `m' is the'

or something, but that seems excessive.

-- 
We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying
to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to
new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile.

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct  8 06:15:59 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:15:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] withlist -q still not quiet
In-Reply-To: <26face530810072033x32b2c302t35086381083da8a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810072115590984c9c971d3@msapiro>

Kelly Jones wrote:

>Why does "withlist -q test" say "The variable `m' is the test MailList
>instance". Shouldn't -q suppress that message?


Arguably it should, but no one anticipated you would want to supress
the banner in interactive mode.


>It's annoying because I run withlist stuff in cron and want it to run
>silently unless there are errors. I realize I can:
>
>2| fgrep -v 'the variable `m' is the'
>
>or something, but that seems excessive.


If withlist reads a script and is given -q and there are no
warnings/errors, there will be no output.


[msapiro at msapiro ...f/test-mailman]$ bin/withlist -a -r no_op
Importing no_op...
Running no_op.no_op()...
Loading list century-announce (unlocked)
Loading list century-announce-test (unlocked)
Loading list list1 (unlocked)
Loading list mailman (unlocked)
Loading list test (unlocked)
Finalizing
[msapiro at msapiro ...f/test-mailman]$ bin/withlist -a -r no_op -q
[msapiro at msapiro ...f/test-mailman]$


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From kbejong at iot.IN.gov  Wed Oct  8 14:37:17 2008
From: kbejong at iot.IN.gov (Bejong, Kay)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:37:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Way to see the whole list through the web interface
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810072115590984c9c971d3@msapiro>
References: <26face530810072033x32b2c302t35086381083da8a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1870200810072115590984c9c971d3@msapiro>
Message-ID: <426EF2F12F7A8546B4B182FFE53AE6B70599DC22@IOTEVSP04VW.shared.state.in.us>

 
Is there any way to get the whole membership of the list through the web
interface? 
I know how to do it command line on the server, but I have list owners
who want the feature through the web interface so they don't have to go
through the whole alphabet.

Thanks,
Kay Bejong

From b19141 at anl.gov  Wed Oct  8 15:23:49 2008
From: b19141 at anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Wed,  8 Oct 2008 08:23:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk update of list member names?
In-Reply-To: Mail from 'bjames@cisco.com'
	dated: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:22:14 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <20081008132349.212581746D@britaine.cis.anl.gov>

Beau (bjames at cisco.com) wrote:

>If one has an existing mailing list with just email addresses,
>is there any procedure available to bulk-update the list membership
>with the subscribers' names (short of unsubscribing and re-subscribing
>the list members)?
>
>The "set" email command does not appear to have an option to
>change the name field.
>
>I'm looking for a procedure that does not require shell access on
>the list sever, if possible.

Will this work?

     1) Create a file that contains all of the subscribers with names:

            user at example.com    (John Z. User)

     2) Run sync_members on the Mailman machine.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 222, Room D209              Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
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From alexander at nautae.eti.br  Tue Oct  7 20:21:37 2008
From: alexander at nautae.eti.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?AlexanDER Franca?=)
Date: Tue,  7 Oct 2008 15:21:37 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I "merge" mail users?
Message-ID: <20081007182137.21287.qmail@hm615.locaweb.com.br>

Hi all.

First of all, excuse my bad english. I'm studying.

So... I have a situation that I don't know if Mailman can handle with.

I have, for example, four mailing lists: list1, list2, list3 and list4.

And I have a user in list1 AND list2.

So... I want to send a message to list1 and list2, but it's bad in my company to send the same message twice for the same user.

Is there any way to send a message trough multiple lists and ignore users who already "received" the message?

[]'s
Alexander
Brazil - Rio de Janeiro

From atrick at prin.edu  Tue Oct  7 22:16:13 2008
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:16:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator on Gmail not receiving messages
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20081007151304.04ca92b8@prin.edu>

Anyone have any possible clue as to why one of our moderators (whom 
I've confirmed is a member of the lists she's sending to, and the MOD 
box is unchecked) is able to send to her lists but does not receive 
her own messages back?  I'm on the lists too and see her messages 
getting through.  But she gets none of them.  (She gets other 
messages sent by others to the lists.)  She's on Gmail, if that 
matters.  And the messages are NOT in her junk mail folder or 
anything obvious like that.

There's no Mailman setting that says "don't send moderator messages 
to the moderator" or somesuch, is there?

Otherwise Mailman is performing normally.  Can't figure this out!

Thanks,

Allan Trick



From CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com  Wed Oct  8 13:34:12 2008
From: CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com (Charles Marcus)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:34:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Create List Aliases
In-Reply-To: <d9bbc88c0810071851w7fcb0abdj9d8c45742d3ae535@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9bbc88c0810071851w7fcb0abdj9d8c45742d3ae535@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48EC9AB4.7030300@Media-Brokers.com>

On 10/7/2008 9:51 PM, Darragh Gammell wrote:
> # STANZA END: darragh
> 
> After the upgrade its adding entries like:
> 
> # STANZA START: darraghwwqq
>
> Can someone please indicate where I've gone wrong

wag of the day...

I have seen many mysterious problems caused by using vi when editing
config files. These 'wwqq' characters (wq = write-quit in vi) are
suspicious - is this change intentional?

-- 

Best regards,

Charles

From ke-mailman at retriever.dyndns.org  Wed Oct  8 07:06:29 2008
From: ke-mailman at retriever.dyndns.org (ke-mailman at retriever.dyndns.org)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:06:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving anything, debugging
Message-ID: <20081008050629.GA31572@retriever.dyndns.org>

I've managed to set-up mailman, fighting exim every step of the way.
I'm on ubuntu gutsy.

I'm using these aliases in /etc/aliases:

mylist:              "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mylist" 
mylist-admin:        "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mylist"  
mylist-bounces:      "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mylist"
...

I see this in /var/log/exim4/mainlog:

2008-10-07 21:08:15 1KnQLP-0007aq-KE <= unsubscribed_user at mydomain.org U=some_user P=local S=535 id=20081008040815.GA29157 at mydomain.org
2008-10-07 21:08:16 1KnQLP-0007aq-KE => |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mylist <mylist at mydomain.org> R=system_aliases T=address_alias_pipe
2008-10-07 21:08:16 1KnQLP-0007aq-KE Completed
2008-10-07 21:09:49 1KnQMv-0007b3-Ig <= subscribed_user at mydomain.org U=some_user P=local S=543 id=20081008040949.GB29157 at mydomain.org
2008-10-07 21:09:50 1KnQMv-0007b3-Ig => |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mylist <mylist at mydomain.org> R=system_aliases T=address_alias_pipe
2008-10-07 21:09:50 1KnQMv-0007b3-Ig Completed

but I receive nothing (even though I allow non-subscribers to post),
and nothing gets archived (even though I have that enabled.)

Also, when I subscribe someone, they never get an email.

My /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman looks like:

-rwxr-sr-x 1 root list 6948 2008-03-15 08:19 /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman

It seems like there's still an awful lot misconfigured.
I think I could claw my way through it if there was any
logging but all I get is this:

# ls -l /var/log/mailman/
total 4
-rw-rw-r-- 1 www-data list   0 2008-10-07 12:08 error
-rw-rw-r-- 1 www-data list 182 2008-10-07 21:51 subscribe

Doesn't mailman have any sort of logging ?

From mardicas at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 01:41:09 2008
From: mardicas at gmail.com (Martin Vool)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 02:41:09 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages dissapear after postdix delivers them to
	mailman
In-Reply-To: <360a8e030810071611l38e81fm8c0cecda7e69cd2a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <360a8e030810071611l38e81fm8c0cecda7e69cd2a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <360a8e030810071641t139516d8uda6ad43938c3c9b9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
something odd has hapend. I have not updated the system or changed
anything related to mailman.
I tryed to restart the server but no change.

/var/log/messages:
# tail -n10000 /var/log/messages | grep DE910114945
Oct  8 01:55:02 tipikas MailScanner[18363]: Requeue: 80A17114967.CC9A6
to DE910114945
Oct  8 01:55:02 tipikas postfix/qmgr[4263]: DE910114945:
from=<mardicas at gmail.com>, size=1820, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct  8 01:55:02 tipikas postfix/local[22027]: DE910114945:
to=<iapb1406 at tipikas.ee>, relay=local, delay=16, delays=16/0/0/0.15,
dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post iapb1406)
Oct  8 01:55:02 tipikas postfix/qmgr[4263]: DE910114945: removed

But there is no trace what so ever in mailman about this message.
Atleast i couldn't find anything.
Yes, qrunner is running.

# ps auxwww|grep qrunner
mailman  22264  0.0  0.3   9736  6820 ?        S    01:54   0:00
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1
-s
mailman  22265  0.0  0.4  11600  8768 ?        S    01:54   0:00
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
--runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  22266  0.0  0.3   9736  6836 ?        S    01:54   0:00
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
--runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  22267  0.0  0.3   9740  6856 ?        S    01:54   0:00
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1
-s
mailman  22268  0.0  0.4  12468  9804 ?        S    01:54   0:00
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
--runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  22269  0.0  0.3   9896  7064 ?        S    01:54   0:00
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1
-s
mailman  22270  0.0  0.3   9880  7068 ?        S    01:54   0:00
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1
-s
mailman  22271  0.0  0.4  12340  9448 ?        S    01:54   0:00
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1
-s
root     24516  0.0  0.0   1920   680 pts/1    S+   02:09   0:00 grep
--colour=auto qrunner

But the /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/in directory is empty :-/

How can i debug this :-//// PLease help. People are geting mad at me :-P

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct  8 16:31:55 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:31:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator on Gmail not receiving messages
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081007151304.04ca92b8@prin.edu>
Message-ID: <PC18702008100807315505932b0d9e08@msapiro>

Allan Trick wrote:

>Anyone have any possible clue as to why one of our moderators (whom 
>I've confirmed is a member of the lists she's sending to, and the MOD 
>box is unchecked) is able to send to her lists but does not receive 
>her own messages back?  I'm on the lists too and see her messages 
>getting through.  But she gets none of them.  (She gets other 
>messages sent by others to the lists.)  She's on Gmail, if that 
>matters.


It matters. There's nothing you can do about it other than beating on
Google, but others have done that and it hasn't helped. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/2IA9> and Google's help at
<http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6588>.


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct  8 16:44:06 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:44:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Way to see the whole list through the web
	interface
In-Reply-To: <426EF2F12F7A8546B4B182FFE53AE6B70599DC22@IOTEVSP04VW.shared.state.in.us>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810080744060640ad13a1c6@msapiro>

Bejong, Kay wrote:
> 
>Is there any way to get the whole membership of the list through the web
>interface?


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/aYA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct  8 16:50:51 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:50:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk update of list member names?
In-Reply-To: <20081008132349.212581746D@britaine.cis.anl.gov>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810080750510312641ebd6b@msapiro>

Barry Finkel wrote:
>
>>If one has an existing mailing list with just email addresses,
>>is there any procedure available to bulk-update the list membership
>>with the subscribers' names (short of unsubscribing and re-subscribing
>>the list members)?
>>
>>The "set" email command does not appear to have an option to
>>change the name field.
>>
>>I'm looking for a procedure that does not require shell access on
>>the list sever, if possible.
>
>Will this work?
>
>     1) Create a file that contains all of the subscribers with names:
>
>            user at example.com    (John Z. User)
>
>     2) Run sync_members on the Mailman machine.


No.

sync_members makes no changes to an existing list member whose address
is in the input.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct  8 17:00:12 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:00:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I "merge" mail users?
In-Reply-To: <20081007182137.21287.qmail@hm615.locaweb.com.br>
Message-ID: <PC187020081008080011098488c9f1a3@msapiro>

AlexanDER Franca wrote:
>
>I have, for example, four mailing lists: list1, list2, list3 and list4.
>
>And I have a user in list1 AND list2.
>
>So... I want to send a message to list1 and list2, but it's bad in my company to send the same message twice for the same user.
>
>Is there any way to send a message trough multiple lists and ignore users who already "received" the message?


There is a new feature in Mailman 2.1.11 which would allow you for
example to put 'list2' in the regular_exclude_lists attribute of
'list1'. Then a post addressed to both 'list1' and 'list2' will not be
sent from 'list1' to anyone who is a member of both lists.

Prior to 2.1.11, you would have to build a super-list with no duplicate
members and post to that. See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/TIA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct  8 17:06:14 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:06:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving anything, debugging
In-Reply-To: <20081008050629.GA31572@retriever.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <PC18702008100808061402501b29d9c8@msapiro>

ke-mailman at retriever.dyndns.org wrote:

>I've managed to set-up mailman, fighting exim every step of the way.
>I'm on ubuntu gutsy.
>
>I'm using these aliases in /etc/aliases:
>
>mylist:              "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mylist" 
>mylist-admin:        "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mylist"  
>mylist-bounces:      "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mylist"
>...


You can set up exim so it doesn't need aliases for Mailman. See
<http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html>.


>I see this in /var/log/exim4/mainlog:
>
>2008-10-07 21:08:15 1KnQLP-0007aq-KE <= unsubscribed_user at mydomain.org U=some_user P=local S=535 id=20081008040815.GA29157 at mydomain.org
>2008-10-07 21:08:16 1KnQLP-0007aq-KE => |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mylist <mylist at mydomain.org> R=system_aliases T=address_alias_pipe
>2008-10-07 21:08:16 1KnQLP-0007aq-KE Completed
>2008-10-07 21:09:49 1KnQMv-0007b3-Ig <= subscribed_user at mydomain.org U=some_user P=local S=543 id=20081008040949.GB29157 at mydomain.org
>2008-10-07 21:09:50 1KnQMv-0007b3-Ig => |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mylist <mylist at mydomain.org> R=system_aliases T=address_alias_pipe
>2008-10-07 21:09:50 1KnQMv-0007b3-Ig Completed
>
>but I receive nothing (even though I allow non-subscribers to post),
>and nothing gets archived (even though I have that enabled.)
>
>Also, when I subscribe someone, they never get an email.


The most likely explanation is you haven't started mailmanctl.

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9>.


>Doesn't mailman have any sort of logging ?


Yes, see the above FAQ.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct  8 17:20:44 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:20:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages dissapear after postdix delivers them
	tomailman
In-Reply-To: <360a8e030810071641t139516d8uda6ad43938c3c9b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810080820440781035ea3b9@msapiro>

Martin Vool wrote:

>Hello,
>something odd has hapend. I have not updated the system or changed
>anything related to mailman.
>I tryed to restart the server but no change.
>
>/var/log/messages:
># tail -n10000 /var/log/messages | grep DE910114945
>Oct  8 01:55:02 tipikas MailScanner[18363]: Requeue: 80A17114967.CC9A6
>to DE910114945
>Oct  8 01:55:02 tipikas postfix/qmgr[4263]: DE910114945:
>from=<mardicas at gmail.com>, size=1820, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
>Oct  8 01:55:02 tipikas postfix/local[22027]: DE910114945:
>to=<iapb1406 at tipikas.ee>, relay=local, delay=16, delays=16/0/0/0.15,
>dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
>/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post iapb1406)
>Oct  8 01:55:02 tipikas postfix/qmgr[4263]: DE910114945: removed


So the message made it to the wrapper and presumably to the 'in' queue.


>But there is no trace what so ever in mailman about this message.
>Atleast i couldn't find anything.


Did you look in all Mailman's logs - error, smtp and smtp-failure in
particular?


>Yes, qrunner is running.
>
># ps auxwww|grep qrunner
>mailman  22264  0.0  0.3   9736  6820 ?        S    01:54   0:00
>/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1
>-s
>mailman  22265  0.0  0.4  11600  8768 ?        S    01:54   0:00
>/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
>--runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
>mailman  22266  0.0  0.3   9736  6836 ?        S    01:54   0:00
>/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
>--runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
>mailman  22267  0.0  0.3   9740  6856 ?        S    01:54   0:00
>/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1
>-s
>mailman  22268  0.0  0.4  12468  9804 ?        S    01:54   0:00
>/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
>--runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
>mailman  22269  0.0  0.3   9896  7064 ?        S    01:54   0:00
>/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1
>-s
>mailman  22270  0.0  0.3   9880  7068 ?        S    01:54   0:00
>/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1
>-s
>mailman  22271  0.0  0.4  12340  9448 ?        S    01:54   0:00
>/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1
>-s
>root     24516  0.0  0.0   1920   680 pts/1    S+   02:09   0:00 grep
>--colour=auto qrunner
>
>But the /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/in directory is empty :-/


How about other queues like qfiles/retry and qfiles/shunt?


>How can i debug this :-//// PLease help. People are geting mad at me 


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9> for other things to check.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From gilmore.126 at osu.edu  Wed Oct  8 19:21:43 2008
From: gilmore.126 at osu.edu (mindy)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:21:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo problems
Message-ID: <011801c9296a$55979740$00c6c5c0$@126@osu.edu>

I have exhausted the the kb for this issue and have not been able to find my
answer.   If I go to any of my list admin pages and go to the bottom of the
page and click on Overview of all lists.service.ohio-state.edu
<http://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo>  mailing lists, I
just get an error Bug in Mailman and refers me to error logs.   I am not
seeing anything in the error log that will give me a clue.   It does not
seem to be able to find the url for the Overview of all the mailing lists.
Can someone point me in the right direction.   The url that it is going to
is http://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo.   Below is the
error 

 

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 

 

 

 

 

Melinda Gilmore

Enterprise Messaging 

The Ohio State University

System Engineer

614-292-4953

 


From billc_lists at greenbuilder.com  Wed Oct  8 21:24:00 2008
From: billc_lists at greenbuilder.com (Bill Christensen)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:24:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timestamp on approved msg
Message-ID: <a06230955c512b831adb0@[192.168.33.3]>

Hi all,

Is there a way to change the timestamp on mail to moderated lists to 
display the time it is approved/sent by Mailman instead of the time 
of the orignal sender's post?

Sometimes there's a fairly long lag between the original post and 
when it goes to the list, and the list mail displays "below the fold" 
(out of sight) in busy user's mailbox.  In some cases that lag is 
intentional in order to release announcements at the most 
advantageous time.  If it's not visible in the user's box it kinda 
defeats the purpose.

-- 
Bill Christensen
<http://greenbuilder.com/contact/>

Green Building Professionals Directory: <http://directory.greenbuilder.com>
Sustainable Building Calendar: <http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/>
Green Real Estate: <http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/>
Straw Bale Registry: <http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/>
Books/videos/software: <http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/>

From Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au  Thu Oct  9 01:47:55 2008
From: Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au (Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:17:55 +0930
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending request problem
Message-ID: <OFB041BC67.64EA189B-ON692574DC.0082606F-692574DC.0082DE81@nt.gov.au>


Hello,

Mailman 2.1.10.

We have a list that is sending the moderator daily a message about pending
requests.  When the moderator clicks on the admin link, Mailman shows no pending
requests.  However, there is a pending.pck file in the directory of the list on
the Mailman server.  Here are the contents:

[----- start pickle file -----]
<----- start object 1 ----->
{   '15540c1c834bfb99ef20a9621a0437c182b4d5ef': ('H', 31),
    '1e79ecd565fa5e2349bdeec5f41506560f8a7104': (   'E',

'corporate_reporting_finance',

'anthony.smith at pfes.nt.gov.au'),
    '37ec39382577ef6007a990a63c9eadd48c8b2fb5': (   'E',

'corporate_reporting_finance',

'di.trimble at powerwater.com.au'),
    '46dd36aa9b2098c04413916363b9f70153420587': (   'E',

'corporate_reporting_finance',

'karen.ross at powerwater.com.au'),
    '4e4faa7381d3b9dd50943813c8b39f2c15a0f888': ('H', 26),
    '6f13dd1779f3ba010efdeb561f203dd59e1015ed': ('H', 25),
    '720da6f23ef531826a3ded71d7f074e3af5aedb3': ('H', 21),
    'b7801bf76362de4aa4ac6d2db9f1cfab6e8c8b51': (   'E',

'corporate_reporting_finance',

'michaela.martins at batchelor.edu.au'),
    'ca468272da6d506f17983c18576835a1117d8354': (   'E',

'corporate_reporting_finance',

'beverly.whitter at batchelor.edu.au'),
    'eff52942711894f6c3210e00d62357d0eb42a1d8': (   'E',

'corporate_reporting_finance',

'oddette.dacosta at pfes.nt.gov.au'),
    'evictions': {   '15540c1c834bfb99ef20a9621a0437c182b4d5ef':
1223691481.6416359,
                     '1e79ecd565fa5e2349bdeec5f41506560f8a7104':
1223606953.9437859,
                     '37ec39382577ef6007a990a63c9eadd48c8b2fb5':
1223606953.5659289,
                     '46dd36aa9b2098c04413916363b9f70153420587':
1223606954.17202,
                     '4e4faa7381d3b9dd50943813c8b39f2c15a0f888':
1223680324.9617939,
                     '6f13dd1779f3ba010efdeb561f203dd59e1015ed':
1223677576.544651,
                     '720da6f23ef531826a3ded71d7f074e3af5aedb3':
1223606023.4145031,
                     'b7801bf76362de4aa4ac6d2db9f1cfab6e8c8b51':
1223606050.2751639,
                     'ca468272da6d506f17983c18576835a1117d8354':
1223606952.789958,
                     'eff52942711894f6c3210e00d62357d0eb42a1d8':
1223606953.7517281},
    'version': 2}
[----- end pickle file -----]

The date on the file is October 8.  Why is there nothing showing on the web
interface?  How can this be cleaned up/fixed?

Regards,

Alan Rubin
Technician Unix
DCS Midrange Services
Phone: +61 (08) 8999 6814
Fax:      +61 (08) 8999 7493
e-Mail: alan.rubin at nt.gov.au


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  9 02:30:36 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:30:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo problems
In-Reply-To: <011801c9296a$55979740$00c6c5c0$@126@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <PC18702008100817303600780a063af2@msapiro>

mindy wrote:

>I have exhausted the the kb for this issue and have not been able to find my
>answer.   If I go to any of my list admin pages and go to the bottom of the
>page and click on Overview of all lists.service.ohio-state.edu
><http://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo>  mailing lists, I
>just get an error Bug in Mailman and refers me to error logs.   I am not
>seeing anything in the error log that will give me a clue.


There is a full Python traceback from this error. That will help if rhe
below does not help.

>It does not
>seem to be able to find the url for the Overview of all the mailing lists.


The problem is the listinfo overview (and probably the admin overview
has the same issue) has to instantiate every list in the installation
to determine whether or not it should be shown on the overview page,
and something is wrong with the lists/listname/config.pck for one of
those lists.


Make the following two line file

------------------------------------------------
def no_op(mlist, *args):
    return
------------------------------------------------

and save it in Mailman's bin/ directory as no_op.py. Then run

bin/withlist -a -r no_op

That should produce output similar to

Importing no_op...
Running no_op.no_op()...
Loading list century-announce (unlocked)
Loading list century-announce-test (unlocked)
Loading list list1 (unlocked)
Loading list mailman (unlocked)
Loading list test (unlocked)
Finalizing

Except with your installations list names, and except that at some
point there will be an exception and a traceback. The last

Loading list listname (unlocked)

before the error is the one with the bad config.pck. You might just try
removing the config.pck and letting Mailman fall back to
config.pck.last. If that doesn't work, you can resort to a backup if
you have one.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  9 02:45:54 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:45:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending request problem
In-Reply-To: <OFB041BC67.64EA189B-ON692574DC.0082606F-692574DC.0082DE81@nt.gov.au>
Message-ID: <PC187020081008174554009344fda7d3@msapiro>

Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote:
>
>Mailman 2.1.10.
>
>We have a list that is sending the moderator daily a message about pending
>requests.  When the moderator clicks on the admin link, Mailman shows no pending
>requests.  However, there is a pending.pck file in the directory of the list on
>the Mailman server.  Here are the contents:
>
>[----- start pickle file -----]
><----- start object 1 ----->
>{   '15540c1c834bfb99ef20a9621a0437c182b4d5ef': ('H', 31),
>    '1e79ecd565fa5e2349bdeec5f41506560f8a7104': (   'E',
>
>'corporate_reporting_finance',
>
>'anthony.smith at pfes.nt.gov.au'),
>    '37ec39382577ef6007a990a63c9eadd48c8b2fb5': (   'E',
>
>'corporate_reporting_finance',
>
>'di.trimble at powerwater.com.au'),
>    '46dd36aa9b2098c04413916363b9f70153420587': (   'E',
>
>'corporate_reporting_finance',
>
>'karen.ross at powerwater.com.au'),
>    '4e4faa7381d3b9dd50943813c8b39f2c15a0f888': ('H', 26),
>    '6f13dd1779f3ba010efdeb561f203dd59e1015ed': ('H', 25),
>    '720da6f23ef531826a3ded71d7f074e3af5aedb3': ('H', 21),
>    'b7801bf76362de4aa4ac6d2db9f1cfab6e8c8b51': (   'E',
>
>'corporate_reporting_finance',
>
>'michaela.martins at batchelor.edu.au'),
>    'ca468272da6d506f17983c18576835a1117d8354': (   'E',
>
>'corporate_reporting_finance',
>
>'beverly.whitter at batchelor.edu.au'),
>    'eff52942711894f6c3210e00d62357d0eb42a1d8': (   'E',
>
>'corporate_reporting_finance',
>
>'oddette.dacosta at pfes.nt.gov.au'),
>    'evictions': {   '15540c1c834bfb99ef20a9621a0437c182b4d5ef':
>1223691481.6416359,
>                     '1e79ecd565fa5e2349bdeec5f41506560f8a7104':
>1223606953.9437859,
>                     '37ec39382577ef6007a990a63c9eadd48c8b2fb5':
>1223606953.5659289,
>                     '46dd36aa9b2098c04413916363b9f70153420587':
>1223606954.17202,
>                     '4e4faa7381d3b9dd50943813c8b39f2c15a0f888':
>1223680324.9617939,
>                     '6f13dd1779f3ba010efdeb561f203dd59e1015ed':
>1223677576.544651,
>                     '720da6f23ef531826a3ded71d7f074e3af5aedb3':
>1223606023.4145031,
>                     'b7801bf76362de4aa4ac6d2db9f1cfab6e8c8b51':
>1223606050.2751639,
>                     'ca468272da6d506f17983c18576835a1117d8354':
>1223606952.789958,
>                     'eff52942711894f6c3210e00d62357d0eb42a1d8':
>1223606953.7517281},
>    'version': 2}
>[----- end pickle file -----]
>
>The date on the file is October 8.  Why is there nothing showing on the web
>interface?  How can this be cleaned up/fixed?


The pending.pck has nothing to do with the "n moderator requests" email
or the requests in the admindb interface. The file that contains those
is request.pck.

pending.pck is used by 'confirm' to process confirmations. The 'H'
entries in that file are held messages, but they may have been dealt
with otherwise. The 'E' entries are delivery disabled by bounce
re-enables. the evictions dictionary is expiration times. See
http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/list_pending> for a script that will
show you all that 'interpreted'.

If you are getting daily "n moderator requests" emails and there is
nothing in the admindb interface, the emails are coming from some
other test, backup, whatever installation that is still running a
daily cron/checkdbs.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au  Thu Oct  9 03:37:38 2008
From: Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au (Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:07:38 +0930
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending request problem
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081008174554009344fda7d3@msapiro>
Message-ID: <OFA3A402FB.BE2420CD-ON692574DD.0008681B-692574DD.00091423@nt.gov.au>

Mark,

Cron runs checkdbs every morning at 8AM, but I am an owner of a few of these
lists and I don't get moderator pending notices every day if there is nothing to
do.  Is this an option to set in the individual list configuration?

# At 8AM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests.
# They are less likely to ignore these reminders if they're mailed
# early in the morning, but of course, this is local time... ;)
0 8 * * * /opt/csw/bin/python -S /export/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs

Here's the notice they are receiving.  It says 1 request waiting but nothing is
listed when they go to the web page.

The Corporate_Reporting_Finance at lists.nt.gov.au mailing list has 1
request(s) waiting for your consideration at:

             http://lists.nt.gov.au/mailman/admindb/corporate_reporting_finance

Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.


Regards,

Alan Rubin
Technician Unix
DCS Midrange Services
Phone: +61 (08) 8999 6814
Fax:      +61 (08) 8999 7493
e-Mail: alan.rubin at nt.gov.au


                                                                                
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             <mark at msapiro.net>                                                 
             Sent by:                                                        To 
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             es+alan.rubin=nt.go         mailman-users at python.org               
             v.au at python.org                                                 cc 
                                                                                
                                                                        Subject 
             09/10/2008 10:15 AM         Re: [Mailman-Users] pending request    
                                         problem                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                




Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote:
>
>Mailman 2.1.10.
>
>We have a list that is sending the moderator daily a message about pending
>requests.  When the moderator clicks on the admin link, Mailman shows no
pending
>requests.  However, there is a pending.pck file in the directory of the list on
>the Mailman server.  Here are the contents:
>
>[----- start pickle file -----]
><----- start object 1 ----->
>{   '15540c1c834bfb99ef20a9621a0437c182b4d5ef': ('H', 31),
>    '1e79ecd565fa5e2349bdeec5f41506560f8a7104': (   'E',
>
>'corporate_reporting_finance',
>
>'anthony.smith at pfes.nt.gov.au'),
>    '37ec39382577ef6007a990a63c9eadd48c8b2fb5': (   'E',
>
>'corporate_reporting_finance',
>
>'di.trimble at powerwater.com.au'),
>    '46dd36aa9b2098c04413916363b9f70153420587': (   'E',
>
>'corporate_reporting_finance',
>
>'karen.ross at powerwater.com.au'),
>    '4e4faa7381d3b9dd50943813c8b39f2c15a0f888': ('H', 26),
>    '6f13dd1779f3ba010efdeb561f203dd59e1015ed': ('H', 25),
>    '720da6f23ef531826a3ded71d7f074e3af5aedb3': ('H', 21),
>    'b7801bf76362de4aa4ac6d2db9f1cfab6e8c8b51': (   'E',
>
>'corporate_reporting_finance',
>
>'michaela.martins at batchelor.edu.au'),
>    'ca468272da6d506f17983c18576835a1117d8354': (   'E',
>
>'corporate_reporting_finance',
>
>'beverly.whitter at batchelor.edu.au'),
>    'eff52942711894f6c3210e00d62357d0eb42a1d8': (   'E',
>
>'corporate_reporting_finance',
>
>'oddette.dacosta at pfes.nt.gov.au'),
>    'evictions': {   '15540c1c834bfb99ef20a9621a0437c182b4d5ef':
>1223691481.6416359,
>                     '1e79ecd565fa5e2349bdeec5f41506560f8a7104':
>1223606953.9437859,
>                     '37ec39382577ef6007a990a63c9eadd48c8b2fb5':
>1223606953.5659289,
>                     '46dd36aa9b2098c04413916363b9f70153420587':
>1223606954.17202,
>                     '4e4faa7381d3b9dd50943813c8b39f2c15a0f888':
>1223680324.9617939,
>                     '6f13dd1779f3ba010efdeb561f203dd59e1015ed':
>1223677576.544651,
>                     '720da6f23ef531826a3ded71d7f074e3af5aedb3':
>1223606023.4145031,
>                     'b7801bf76362de4aa4ac6d2db9f1cfab6e8c8b51':
>1223606050.2751639,
>                     'ca468272da6d506f17983c18576835a1117d8354':
>1223606952.789958,
>                     'eff52942711894f6c3210e00d62357d0eb42a1d8':
>1223606953.7517281},
>    'version': 2}
>[----- end pickle file -----]
>
>The date on the file is October 8.  Why is there nothing showing on the web
>interface?  How can this be cleaned up/fixed?


The pending.pck has nothing to do with the "n moderator requests" email
or the requests in the admindb interface. The file that contains those
is request.pck.

pending.pck is used by 'confirm' to process confirmations. The 'H'
entries in that file are held messages, but they may have been dealt
with otherwise. The 'E' entries are delivery disabled by bounce
re-enables. the evictions dictionary is expiration times. See
http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/list_pending> for a script that will
show you all that 'interpreted'.

If you are getting daily "n moderator requests" emails and there is
nothing in the admindb interface, the emails are coming from some
other test, backup, whatever installation that is still running a
daily cron/checkdbs.

--
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From ke-mailman at retriever.dyndns.org  Wed Oct  8 17:46:08 2008
From: ke-mailman at retriever.dyndns.org (ke-mailman at retriever.dyndns.org)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:46:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving anything, debugging
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008100808061402501b29d9c8@msapiro>
References: <20081008050629.GA31572@retriever.dyndns.org>
	<PC18702008100808061402501b29d9c8@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20081008154608.GA1996@retriever.dyndns.org>

On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:06:14AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> 
> You can set up exim so it doesn't need aliases for Mailman. See
> <http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html>.

Ya, I ran into that several times, but it appears to require
2 hostnames pointing at the same host. If that's not the case,
that'd be great, but then how does exim distinguish these
mailing list names ?

> The most likely explanation is you haven't started mailmanctl.
> 
> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9>.
> 
> 
> >Doesn't mailman have any sort of logging ?
> 
> 
> Yes, see the above FAQ.

Will give it a try. Thanks for the quick reply.

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  9 17:19:24 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:19:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timestamp on approved msg
In-Reply-To: <a06230955c512b831adb0@[192.168.33.3]>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810090819240156b0b086b4@msapiro>

Bill Christensen wrote:
>
>Is there a way to change the timestamp on mail to moderated lists to 
>display the time it is approved/sent by Mailman instead of the time 
>of the orignal sender's post?


Only by changing the source code, and it isn't a good idea. RFC 2822
Sec. 3.6.1 [1] specifies the meaning of the Date: header and says in
part:

   The origination date specifies the date and time at which the
   creator of the message indicated that the message was complete
   and ready to enter the mail delivery system.


>Sometimes there's a fairly long lag between the original post and 
>when it goes to the list, and the list mail displays "below the fold" 
>(out of sight) in busy user's mailbox.  In some cases that lag is 
>intentional in order to release announcements at the most 
>advantageous time.  If it's not visible in the user's box it kinda 
>defeats the purpose.


You could look at Mailman/ListAdmin.py at the point where it adds the
X-Mailman-Approved-At: header to an approved message. You could also
add a Resent-Date: header, and your user's MUAs may sort on that.

Some MUAs can sort on order received. You could suggest that your users
set their MUAs to do that.

[1] http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc2822.html

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  9 17:41:13 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:41:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending request problem
In-Reply-To: <OFA3A402FB.BE2420CD-ON692574DD.0008681B-692574DD.00091423@nt.gov.au>
Message-ID: <PC187020081009084113012587a5ee4a@msapiro>

Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote:
>
>Cron runs checkdbs every morning at 8AM, but I am an owner of a few of these
>lists and I don't get moderator pending notices every day if there is nothing to
>do.  Is this an option to set in the individual list configuration?
>
># At 8AM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests.
># They are less likely to ignore these reminders if they're mailed
># early in the morning, but of course, this is local time... ;)
>0 8 * * * /opt/csw/bin/python -S /export/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs


I am suggesting that these notices are coming from a different
cron/checkdbs, possibly even on a different machine being run by a
different crontab. (There is no list config setting.)


>Here's the notice they are receiving.  It says 1 request waiting but nothing is
>listed when they go to the web page.
>
>The Corporate_Reporting_Finance at lists.nt.gov.au mailing list has 1
>request(s) waiting for your consideration at:
>
>             http://lists.nt.gov.au/mailman/admindb/corporate_reporting_finance
>
>Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
>pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.


Look at the chain of Received: headers in this message to find what
machine it originates from. Then find the mailman installation on that
machine that it's coming from. E.g.

  find / -name corporate_reporting_finance

I am sure that you will find this notice is not being sent from
/export/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs on the
'lists.nt.gov.au'(150.191.80.112) box.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  9 17:56:29 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:56:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving anything, debugging
In-Reply-To: <20081008154608.GA1996@retriever.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810090856290031fd6515bc@msapiro>

ke-mailman at retriever.dyndns.org wrote:

>On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:06:14AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> 
>> You can set up exim so it doesn't need aliases for Mailman. See
>> <http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html>.
>
>Ya, I ran into that several times, but it appears to require
>2 hostnames pointing at the same host. If that's not the case,
>that'd be great, but then how does exim distinguish these
>mailing list names ?

It doesn't require two host names. Perhaps you are confused by the
reference to DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST. These are
settings in your current Mailman. They may or may not be the same
names. DEFAULT_URL_HOST is the host name in the URLs for the Mailman
web interface, and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST is the domain for Mailman email.

The mailman_router definition includes

    require_files = MM_LISTCHK

where

  MM_LISTCHK=MM_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.pck

This says that the mailman_router and associated mailman_transport are
only used to deliver mail to list at ... (or list-admin at ... etc.) if the
file M_HOME/lists/list/config.pck exists which will be true if and
only if 'list' is a mailman list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brian at emwd.com  Thu Oct  9 18:26:31 2008
From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:26:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove 1 member from multiple lists
Message-ID: <00f001c92a2b$cb75dff0$62619fd0$@com>

Hi All:

Is it possible to remove 1 member from a number of lists via the command
line?

Regards,
Brian
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From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  9 18:44:10 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:44:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove 1 member from multiple lists
In-Reply-To: <00f001c92a2b$cb75dff0$62619fd0$@com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810090944100234c6ef6eb4@msapiro>

Brian Carpenter wrote:
>
>Is it possible to remove 1 member from a number of lists via the command
>line?


If the number is all the lists in the installation of which that
address is a member,

  bin/remove_members --fromall user at example.com

Otherwise, you could run

  bin/remove_members $list user at example.com

in a shell script that iterates over the desired lists.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brian at emwd.com  Thu Oct  9 19:10:25 2008
From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:10:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove 1 member from multiple lists
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810090944100234c6ef6eb4@msapiro>
References: <00f001c92a2b$cb75dff0$62619fd0$@com>
	<PC1870200810090944100234c6ef6eb4@msapiro>
Message-ID: <010001c92a31$edba3f60$c92ebe20$@com>

Thanks Mark. Appreciate the quick reply.

Regards,
Brian
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:44 PM
> To: Brian Carpenter; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Remove 1 member from multiple lists
> 
> Brian Carpenter wrote:
> >
> >Is it possible to remove 1 member from a number of lists via the
> command
> >line?
> 
> 
> If the number is all the lists in the installation of which that
> address is a member,
> 
>   bin/remove_members --fromall user at example.com
> 
> Otherwise, you could run
> 
>   bin/remove_members $list user at example.com
> 
> in a shell script that iterates over the desired lists.
> 
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From billc_lists at greenbuilder.com  Thu Oct  9 20:42:58 2008
From: billc_lists at greenbuilder.com (Bill Christensen)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:42:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timestamp on approved msg
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810090819240156b0b086b4@msapiro>
References: <PC1870200810090819240156b0b086b4@msapiro>
Message-ID: <a06230966c513f154123d@[192.168.33.3]>

At 8:23 AM -0700 10/9/08, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>Bill Christensen wrote:
>>
>>Is there a way to change the timestamp on mail to moderated lists to
>>display the time it is approved/sent by Mailman instead of the time
>>of the orignal sender's post?
>
>
>Only by changing the source code, and it isn't a good idea. RFC 2822
>Sec. 3.6.1 [1] specifies the meaning of the Date: header and says in
>part:
>
>    The origination date specifies the date and time at which the
>    creator of the message indicated that the message was complete
>    and ready to enter the mail delivery system.

<snip...>

>
>[1] http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc2822.html

The only required header fields are the origination date field and
    the originator address field(s).


I had a feeling we'd be up against something like that.

But many a non-moderated listserv typically replaces the FROM header 
with the listserv's reply address, do they not?

For instance, this header from a Sourceforge list doesn't appear to 
display any info other than "noreply at sourceforge.net", and I suspect 
the timestamp is that of the listserv, not the original sender:

Delivered-To: billc_lists at greenbuilder.com
Received: by 10.210.41.16 with SMTP id o16cs466769ebo;
         Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:49:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.140.157.5 with SMTP id f5mr5391922rve.267.1223495340192;
         Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:49:00 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <noreply at sourceforge.net>
Received: from ch3.sourceforge.net (ch3.sourceforge.net [216.34.181.60])
         by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 5si187618wrh.31.2008.10.08.12.48.59;
         Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:49:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of noreply at sourceforge.net 
designates 216.34.181.60 as permitted sender) client-ip=216.34.181.60;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain 
of noreply at sourceforge.net designates 216.34.181.60 as permitted 
sender) smtp.mail=noreply at sourceforge.net
Received: from www by b55xhf1.ch3.sourceforge.com with local (Exim 4.69)
	(envelope-from <noreply at sourceforge.net>)
	id 1Knexj-000480-Mc; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:44:47 +0000
To: noreply at sourceforge.net
From: "SourceForge.net" <noreply at sourceforge.net>
Subject: [webcalendar - Help / Troubleshooting] RE: upgrade strategy
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Message-Id: <5390263.11588 at sourceforge.net>
In-Reply-To: <5390008.11588 at sourceforge.net>
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:44:47 +0000


Not to say that just because someone else is doing it against the 
rules that I should be allowed to as well, of course.  I don't have 
enough clout to circumvent the mail rules the way some of the big 
guys do.

>You could look at Mailman/ListAdmin.py at the point where it adds the
>X-Mailman-Approved-At: header to an approved message. You could also
>add a Resent-Date: header, and your user's MUAs may sort on that.

Worth a try.
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From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  9 21:39:25 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:39:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timestamp on approved msg
In-Reply-To: <a06230966c513f154123d@[192.168.33.3]>
Message-ID: <PC187020081009123925039087a5ef5f@msapiro>

Bill Christensen wrote:

>At 8:23 AM -0700 10/9/08, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>Bill Christensen wrote:
>>>
>>>Is there a way to change the timestamp on mail to moderated lists to
>>>display the time it is approved/sent by Mailman instead of the time
>>>of the orignal sender's post?
>>
>>
>>Only by changing the source code, and it isn't a good idea. RFC 2822
>>Sec. 3.6.1 [1] specifies the meaning of the Date: header and says in
>>part:
>>
>>    The origination date specifies the date and time at which the
>>    creator of the message indicated that the message was complete
>>    and ready to enter the mail delivery system.
>
><snip...>
>
>>
>>[1] http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc2822.html
>
>The only required header fields are the origination date field and
>    the originator address field(s).
>
>
>I had a feeling we'd be up against something like that.
>
>But many a non-moderated listserv typically replaces the FROM header 
>with the listserv's reply address, do they not?


Yes. Mailman does it too for 'anonymous' lists, even though strictly
speaking, I don't think it's compliant.

If you did decide to change the Date: header, I don't think there would
be any repercussions, at least on an announce list with locally
submitted posts.

I think there could be an issue on a moderated discussion list if
someone were to claim that her post was sent before certain other
information was available, but you munged the date, but it doesn't
seem likely.

If I were going to mung the Date: header, I would probably put the
original in an X-Original-Date: or similar header.

-- 
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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au  Fri Oct 10 00:16:41 2008
From: Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au (Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:46:41 +0930
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending request problem
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081009084113012587a5ee4a@msapiro>
Message-ID: <OFB72634DB.2CA8BE4D-ON692574DD.007A11C8-692574DD.007A844A@nt.gov.au>

Mark,

I don't see how that is likely.  I'd be very surprised if there was another
mailman server in this environment.

                                                                                
             corporate_reporting                                                
             _finance-bounces at li                                                
             sts.nt.gov.au                                                   To 
             Sent by:                    corporate_reporting_finance-owner at list 
             mailman-bounces at lis         s.nt.gov.au                            
             ts.nt.gov.au                                                    cc 
                                                                                
                                                                        Subject 
             09/10/2008 08:00 AM         1 Corporate_Reporting_Finance          
                                         moderator request(s) waiting           
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                



I'm not sure if the above will paste properly into this email, but the simple
headers indicate the sender as being @ lists.nt.gov.au.

        Regards,

Alan Rubin
Technician Unix
DCS Midrange Services
Phone: +61 (08) 8999 6814
Fax:      +61 (08) 8999 7493
e-Mail: alan.rubin at nt.gov.au


                                                                                
             Mark Sapiro                                                        
             <mark at msapiro.net>                                                 
             Sent by:                                                        To 
             mailman-users-bounc         Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au,                  
             es+alan.rubin=nt.go         mailman-users at python.org               
             v.au at python.org                                                 cc 
                                                                                
                                                                        Subject 
             10/10/2008 01:11 AM         Re: [Mailman-Users] pending request    
                                         problem                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                




Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote:
>
>Cron runs checkdbs every morning at 8AM, but I am an owner of a few of these
>lists and I don't get moderator pending notices every day if there is nothing
to
>do.  Is this an option to set in the individual list configuration?
>
># At 8AM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests.
># They are less likely to ignore these reminders if they're mailed
># early in the morning, but of course, this is local time... ;)
>0 8 * * * /opt/csw/bin/python -S /export/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs


I am suggesting that these notices are coming from a different
cron/checkdbs, possibly even on a different machine being run by a
different crontab. (There is no list config setting.)


>Here's the notice they are receiving.  It says 1 request waiting but nothing is
>listed when they go to the web page.
>
>The Corporate_Reporting_Finance at lists.nt.gov.au mailing list has 1
>request(s) waiting for your consideration at:
>
>             http://lists.nt.gov.au/mailman/admindb/corporate_reporting_finance
>
>Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
>pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.


Look at the chain of Received: headers in this message to find what
machine it originates from. Then find the mailman installation on that
machine that it's coming from. E.g.

  find / -name corporate_reporting_finance

I am sure that you will find this notice is not being sent from
/export/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs on the
'lists.nt.gov.au'(150.191.80.112) box.

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From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 10 00:44:51 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:44:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending request problem
In-Reply-To: <OFB72634DB.2CA8BE4D-ON692574DD.007A11C8-692574DD.007A844A@nt.gov.au>
Message-ID: <PC18702008100915445104378f4fdca8@Notebook>

Alan.Rubin at nt.gov.au wrote:
>
>I don't see how that is likely.  I'd be very surprised if there was another
>mailman server in this environment.


Likely or not, that's always what turns out to be the reason for this
problem.

                                                                       
  
<snip>
>I'm not sure if the above will paste properly into this email, but the simple
>headers indicate the sender as being @ lists.nt.gov.au.
You have to look at the full headers. I hav no idea how to do that in
Lotus Notes, but you need to see the chain of Received: header which
show the progress of the mail.

For example, the Received: headers from the message to which I'm
replying are:

Received: from bag.python.org (bag.python.org [194.109.207.14])
	by sbh16.songbird.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23703690092
	for <mark at msapiro.net>; Thu,  9 Oct 2008 15:17:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from bag.python.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by bag.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170381E40AF
	for <mark at msapiro.net>; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:17:10 +0200 (CEST)
X-Original-To: mailman-users at python.org
Delivered-To: mailman-users at bag.python.org
Received: from bag.python.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by bag.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B391E400C
	for <mailman-users at python.org>; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:16:53 +0200 (CEST)
X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003, No
Received: from localhost (HELO bag.python.org) (127.0.0.1)
	by bag.python.org with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 00:16:52 +0200
X-policyd-weight: NOT_IN_ZEN_SPAMHAUS=-1.5 NOT_IN_SPAMCOP=-1.5
	NOT_IN_BL_NJABL=-1.5 CL_IP_EQ_HELO_IP=-2 (check from: .gov. -
	helo: .emdch-mx22.nt.gov. - helo-domain: .gov.)
	FROM/MX_MATCHES_HELO(DOMAIN)=-2 <client=203.26.75.17>
	<helo=emdch-mx22.nt.gov.au> <from=alan.rubin at nt.gov.au>
	<to=mailman-users at python.org>, rate: -8.5
Received: from emdch-mx22.nt.gov.au (emdch-mx22.nt.gov.au
[203.26.75.17])
	by bag.python.org (Postfix) with SMTP
	for <mailman-users at python.org>; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:16:43 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from emdch-sh3.nt.gov.au (emdch-sh13.nt.gov.au [155.205.6.43])
	by emdch-mx22.nt.gov.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6868FEFC1
	for <mailman-users at python.org>; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:46:41 +0930 (CST)
Received: from EMDCH-SMTP.nt.gov.au (emdch-smtp.nt.gov.au [155.205.6.8])
	by emdch-sh3.nt.gov.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B787532
	for <mailman-users at python.org>; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:46:41 +0930 (CST)


These say that the message originated at emdch-smtp.nt.gov.au
[155.205.6.8] and passed through emdch-sh13.nt.gov.au [155.205.6.43]
and bag.python.org (where it went through a few processes) on its way
to my server at sbh16.songbird.com.

We want to know where your "n requests" message originated.
 
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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From johannes.grimm at fh-rosenheim.de  Fri Oct 10 11:34:12 2008
From: johannes.grimm at fh-rosenheim.de (Johannes Grimm)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:34:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_members unsubscribe messages
Message-ID: <48EF2194.2050507@fh-rosenheim.de>

Hi,

I?m using mailman version 2.1.7.
I have a problem with the sync_members script when i use the "-w=no" 
parameter.
"Sometimes" mailman generates unsub-messages altough the parameter is set
to "no". Has anybody experienced this behaveiour too, or does anybody know
for what reason this could happen?

Regards Johannes




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From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 10 16:58:25 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:58:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_members unsubscribe messages
In-Reply-To: <48EF2194.2050507@fh-rosenheim.de>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810100758250078ee9061a7@msapiro>

Johannes Grimm wrote:
>
>I'm using mailman version 2.1.7.
>I have a problem with the sync_members script when i use the "-w=no"
>parameter.
>"Sometimes" mailman generates unsub-messages altough the parameter is set
>to "no". Has anybody experienced this behaveiour too, or does anybody know
>for what reason this could happen?


The -w option controls welcome messages to new subscribers. To supress
unsub messages to the member (goodbye messages), you need -g=no, and
to supress notices to the list admin, you need -a=no.

See "bin/sync_members --help".

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mailman at sweetbourbon.com  Fri Oct 10 17:33:19 2008
From: mailman at sweetbourbon.com (mailman at sweetbourbon.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:33:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postings_responses
Message-ID: <20081010113200.N59810@seyyav.pair.com>



Hi,

Have some trouble with accessing a Mailman list via its web interface, 
mailman 2.1.9.  I did a dump of the config.pck file and notice the that 
postings_responses option is very large and full of mailer-daemon and 
postmaster addresses.  What does this option record?  Is it safe to wipe 
it out?

I did a google but I can't find any that explains what postings_responses 
is or the information that it records.  Any insight is appreciated.

Thanks,
Sean


From Johannes.Grimm at fh-rosenheim.de  Fri Oct 10 17:41:40 2008
From: Johannes.Grimm at fh-rosenheim.de (Johannes Grimm)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:41:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_members unsubscribe messages
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810100758250078ee9061a7@msapiro>
References: <PC1870200810100758250078ee9061a7@msapiro>
Message-ID: <48EF77B4.2010301@fh-rosenheim.de>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Johannes Grimm wrote:
>   
>> I'm using mailman version 2.1.7.
>> I have a problem with the sync_members script when i use the "-w=no"
>> parameter.
>> "Sometimes" mailman generates unsub-messages altough the parameter is set
>> to "no". Has anybody experienced this behaveiour too, or does anybody know
>> for what reason this could happen?
>>     
>
>
> The -w option controls welcome messages to new subscribers. To supress
> unsub messages to the member (goodbye messages), you need -g=no, and
> to supress notices to the list admin, you need -a=no.
>
> See "bin/sync_members --help".
>
>   
what a pain!
thanks for this punch ^^



From dorgan at donaldorgan.com  Fri Oct 10 17:46:05 2008
From: dorgan at donaldorgan.com (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:46:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Tag Along" Messages in Archives
Message-ID: <26057400.111223653564944.JavaMail.root@twoguyshosting.com.>

I am seeing some tag along messages in the archives that should be there. You'll notice they have no subject and the date/time is that of when the archive ran. How do I clean these up. 

Archive can be found here: 

http://lists.liphp.org/pipermail/liphp/2008-October/thread.html 

From dorgan at donaldorgan.com  Fri Oct 10 18:05:26 2008
From: dorgan at donaldorgan.com (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:05:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Tag Along" Messages in Archives
In-Reply-To: <26057400.111223653564944.JavaMail.root@twoguyshosting.com.>
Message-ID: <17163616.171223654726581.JavaMail.root@twoguyshosting.com.>

Hmmm interesting they were there... but currently they are showing up here:

http://lists.liphp.org/pipermail/liphp/2008-September/thread.html


----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald J. Organ IV" <dorgan at donaldorgan.com>
To: "mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:46:05 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Tag Along" Messages in Archives

I am seeing some tag along messages in the archives that should be there. You'll notice they have no subject and the date/time is that of when the archive ran. How do I clean these up. 

Archive can be found here: 

http://lists.liphp.org/pipermail/liphp/2008-October/thread.html 
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From david at cryptix.de  Fri Oct 10 12:01:08 2008
From: david at cryptix.de (David Obando)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:01:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass invitation: monitor replies
Message-ID: <48EF27E4.6080803@cryptix.de>

Dear all,

I plan a mass invitation to a new list (~5000 users) and would like to
track the replies/responses. Is there a way to see which invited users
replied (apart from greping through the log files)? Is it poosible to
distinguish replies via mail and via webinterface?

Thanks and regards,
David

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From gpeel at thenetnow.com  Thu Oct  9 17:59:38 2008
From: gpeel at thenetnow.com (Grant Peel)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:59:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookies
Message-ID: <3CA44395F5A540098C01BE625CF30486@GRANT>

Hi all,

I have just installed mailman on a FreeBSD (6.2) machines and things seem to 
be working (to the extent that I can test them).

Cookies do not seem to be sent from the server.

As mentioned, I am using FreeBSD 6.2, mailman 2.1.9, Python 2.4.

My cookies on my local machine (Browser) are working fine (tested 3 other 
sites on two different browsers), and all set a persistent session cookie.

Right now, I cant use the web interface as each time I click OK or submit, I 
am sent back to the login pages and no setting are saved!

Can anyone give me a hint as to where to start looking?

-Grant 


From gpeel at thenetnow.com  Thu Oct  9 23:08:32 2008
From: gpeel at thenetnow.com (Grant Peel)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:08:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookies
Message-ID: <D0CA8820B8484459A3C3CD66B6CA08DA@GRANT>

Hi again all,

I was reading somewhere that version 2.1.9 of mailman was buggy, and that 
2.4 of python was not the best, so I upgraded to Mailman 2.1.11 and Python 
2.5.

As of right now, I can get to the web interfaces OK, but the cookies are 
still not being send, and the Web interfaces are still not saving any 
changes.

Any ideas would be appreciated,

-Grant

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Grant Peel" <gpeel at thenetnow.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:59 AM
Subject: Cookies


> Hi all,
>
> I have just installed mailman on a FreeBSD (6.2) machines and things seem 
> to be working (to the extent that I can test them).
>
> Cookies do not seem to be sent from the server.
>
> As mentioned, I am using FreeBSD 6.2, mailman 2.1.9, Python 2.4.
>
> My cookies on my local machine (Browser) are working fine (tested 3 other 
> sites on two different browsers), and all set a persistent session 
> cookie(s).
>
> Right now, I cant use the web interface as each time I click OK or submit, 
> I am sent back to the login pages and no setting are saved!
>
> Can anyone give me a hint as to where to start looking?
>
> -Grant 


From gpeel at thenetnow.com  Fri Oct 10 16:22:03 2008
From: gpeel at thenetnow.com (Grant Peel)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:22:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Tender Requested
Message-ID: <9CC100F3F4364DBCA18783718555401B@GRANT>

All,

I am getting nowhere fast installing Mailman.

If anyone would be willing to assist me off list, I would be more than happy 
to compensate for time.

As an added bonus, I would also be willing to publish to install results 
such that others might benifit from it.

The scope of that work would be as follows:

Install mailman on a dev server,
Modify Apache (with suexec) such that all VirtualHosts could use mailman,
Modify Exim (Routers and Transports) so that mailman is seamless,
Document all setup and installation steps in point form such that it can be 
duplicated on production servers.

Details:

FreeBSD 6.x, accessable through SSH - root,
Apache 2.x, installed from ports,
Exim 4.x installed from ports,
Python 2.4 installed from ports.

I own, and have root access to the server(s).

Please feel free to contact me off list.

thenetnow at yahoo.ca

I look forward to hearing from you,

-Grant 


From kmcarthu at bates.edu  Fri Oct 10 17:20:28 2008
From: kmcarthu at bates.edu (Karen R McArthur)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:20:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-to header
Message-ID: <48EF72BC.7020608@bates.edu>

On default setup, I currently have:

first_strip_reply_to = False
reply_goes_to_list = 1
reply_to_address = ''

My list server fqdn: mailman.bates.edu
I would like the reply-to to go to this fqdn 
(listname at mailman.bates.edu), but it gets stripped to listname at bates.edu

As far as I can tell, sendmail is not rewriting my headers.  I have 
tested sending email through the sendmail CLI and the entire header 
arrives as sent.

As a second puzzle, when I change reply_goes_to_list = 0, reply-to 
header is still going to the list ...

I have exported the config_list and compared in both instances to 
confirm these settings.

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it might just be that you're thinking outside the box. The
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From sf181257 at students.mimuw.edu.pl  Fri Oct 10 12:06:59 2008
From: sf181257 at students.mimuw.edu.pl (=?UTF-8?B?IlN0YW5pc8WCYXcgVC4gRmluZGVpc2VuIg==?=)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:06:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTP authentication / local delivery
Message-ID: <48EF2943.4010802@students.mimuw.edu.pl>

How to make Mailman authenticate itself to Postfix (or other SMTP 
server) while sending mail?

=======================================================================
Oct  9 22:07:25 srv-1 postfix/smtpd[15205]: connect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Oct  9 22:07:25 srv-1 postfix/smtpd[15205]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 554 5.7.1 
<sf181257 at students.mimuw.edu.pl>: Relay access denied; 
from=<o-madrosci-bounces at eisenbits.homelinux.net> 
to=<sf181257 at students.mimuw.edu.pl> proto=ESMTP helo=<[192.168.0.1]>
Oct  9 22:07:25 srv-1 postfix/smtpd[15205]: disconnect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
=======================================================================

I think Mailman is not authenticating itself to Postfix here.

I already solved this by telling Postfix to allow mail from local 
senders without authentication (permit_mynetworks), but I wonder if 
Mailman could authenticate itself to the SMTP server.

Another option would be to force Mailman to use some local mail delivery 
facilities instead of TCP/IP. This is what mail(1) seems to be doing:

=======================================================================
Oct 10 10:04:30 srv-1 postfix/pickup[17872]: 9A1B65A4228: uid=500 from=<stf>
Oct 10 10:04:30 srv-1 postfix/cleanup[18279]: 9A1B65A4228: 
message-id=<20081010080430.9A1B65A4228 at srv-1.eisenbits.homelinux.net>
Oct 10 10:04:30 srv-1 postfix/qmgr[2226]: 9A1B65A4228: 
from=<stf at eisenbits.homelinux.net>, size=381, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 10 10:04:32 srv-1 postfix/smtp[18281]: 9A1B65A4228: 
to=<sf181257 at students.mimuw.edu.pl>, 
relay=mail.chello.pl[213.46.255.2]:25, delay=2, delays=0.01/0/1.2/0.84, 
dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Qw4W1a05w218yYv02w4X7H mail accepted 
for delivery)
Oct 10 10:04:32 srv-1 postfix/qmgr[2226]: 9A1B65A4228: removed
=======================================================================

See? Here a Postfix thing called "pickup" is invoked, instead of smtpd. 
No authentication is required, I guess. mail(1) can, how about Mailman?

Thanks.

STF

=======================================================================
http://eisenbits.homelinux.net/~stf/ . My PGP key fingerprint is:
9D25 3D89 75F1 DF1D F434  25D7 E87F A1B9 B80F 8062
=======================================================================

From temp21 at knut-krueger.de  Thu Oct  9 19:38:28 2008
From: temp21 at knut-krueger.de (Knut Krueger)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:38:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [OT] other software like Mailman but for a
 shared server?
In-Reply-To: <e679484e0809131215j105816e7ye9e61d5155800dbc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48C6CFCC.4080706@noaa.gov> <48C8DFDA.2000701@knut-krueger.de>	
	<48C9A9ED.5010607@python.org> <48CAB82E.30408@knut-krueger.de>
	<e679484e0809131215j105816e7ye9e61d5155800dbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48EE4194.2090502@knut-krueger.de>

Earl Ruby schrieb:
> I really like Mailman, but on shared servers I've used Dada Mail and
> I've really liked that as well.
>
> http://dadamailproject.com/
>
Hi Earl,
thank you very much Dada Mail is working fine o a shared server
Knut
>
>
>   


From brad at shub-internet.org  Fri Oct 10 18:11:40 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:11:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass invitation: monitor replies
In-Reply-To: <48EF27E4.6080803@cryptix.de>
References: <48EF27E4.6080803@cryptix.de>
Message-ID: <48EF7EBC.5030709@shub-internet.org>

David Obando wrote:

> I plan a mass invitation to a new list (~5000 users) and would like to
> track the replies/responses. Is there a way to see which invited users
> replied (apart from greping through the log files)?

Look at the archives.

>                                                     Is it poosible to
> distinguish replies via mail and via webinterface?

Look at the headers of the individual messages.  Some programs will put 
in an "X-Mailer:" or other similar heading that may tell you what the 
program was.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From brad at shub-internet.org  Fri Oct 10 18:13:41 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:13:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookies
In-Reply-To: <3CA44395F5A540098C01BE625CF30486@GRANT>
References: <3CA44395F5A540098C01BE625CF30486@GRANT>
Message-ID: <48EF7F35.50805@shub-internet.org>

Grant Peel wrote:

> Cookies do not seem to be sent from the server.

Are you sure?  Have you used tcpdump to look at the packets coming from 
the server to the client, to see if they're being sent.  I'd be willing 
to bet that the real problem is that your client isn't accepting the 
cookies, not that they aren't being sent at all.

There's lots of stuff in the FAQ Wiki about cookies and troubleshooting 
these kinds of problems.

> Can anyone give me a hint as to where to start looking?

Search the FAQ Wiki.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From brad at shub-internet.org  Fri Oct 10 18:23:29 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:23:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-to header
In-Reply-To: <48EF72BC.7020608@bates.edu>
References: <48EF72BC.7020608@bates.edu>
Message-ID: <48EF8181.4010507@shub-internet.org>

Karen R McArthur wrote:

> My list server fqdn: mailman.bates.edu
> I would like the reply-to to go to this fqdn 
> (listname at mailman.bates.edu), but it gets stripped to listname at bates.edu

For one thing, mailman.bates.edu is a CNAME alias that points to 
postoffice03.bates.edu, so all MTAs should be re-writing 
mailman.bates.edu anyway -- but not to simply bates.edu.

If you don't want this kind of rewriting to be done, then you can't use 
CNAME aliases in the DNS.  Give mailman.bates.edu an IP address (like 
134.181.130.141), and then set up reverse DNS for this IP address so 
that mailman.bates.edu is one of the answers given.  It should be okay 
if postoffice03.bates.edu also points directly to the same IP address 
and the reverse DNS for that IP address also includes that name in the 
response, but you need a full forward->reverse->forward matching for any 
given name you're going to use.

Also, I would suggest using a service name that does not include the 
name of the software in question.  So, lists.bates.edu instead of 
mailman.bates.edu -- this gives you the option to change the software 
used in the future, instead of having a case where you have Mailman 
serving mailing lists on a machine known as listproc.bates.edu, or 
whatever.  This is generally a good idea for pretty much all services, 
so bugs.bates.edu instead of bugzilla.bates.edu, webmail.bates.edu 
instead of squirrelmail.bates.edu, mail.bates.edu instead of 
delivermail.bates.edu, www.bates.edu instead of tomcat.bates.edu, etc....

> As far as I can tell, sendmail is not rewriting my headers.  I have 
> tested sending email through the sendmail CLI and the entire header 
> arrives as sent.

Keep in mind that some configuration options will only be effective at 
list creation time.  Once the list gets created, even if you go in and 
change those options, you will only affect new lists that get created 
and all existing lists will be unchanged.

So, make sure you're changing the right option, and that the option in 
question for a list is something that can be changed after the list has 
been created.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 10 18:51:28 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:51:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Tag Along" Messages in Archives
In-Reply-To: <17163616.171223654726581.JavaMail.root@twoguyshosting.com.>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810100951280062dea5b4da@msapiro>

Donald J. Organ IV wrote:

>Hmmm interesting they were there... but currently they are showing up here:
>
>http://lists.liphp.org/pipermail/liphp/2008-September/thread.html


and:

>I am seeing some tag along messages in the archives that should be there. You'll notice they have no subject and the date/time is that of when the archive ran. How do I clean these up. 
>
>Archive can be found here: 
>
>http://lists.liphp.org/pipermail/liphp/2008-October/thread.html 


You have rebuilt the archive or added messages with bin/arch and the
input mailbox had unescaped "From " lines that aren't message
separators.

Check/fix your .mbox file(s) with bin/cleanarch and possible additional
manual fixing and rebuild your archive from scratch with bin/arch
--wipe.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 10 18:58:04 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:58:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass invitation: monitor replies
In-Reply-To: <48EF27E4.6080803@cryptix.de>
Message-ID: <PC187020081010095804048403c70ca8@msapiro>

David Obando wrote:
>
>I plan a mass invitation to a new list (~5000 users) and would like to
>track the replies/responses. Is there a way to see which invited users
>replied (apart from greping through the log files)? Is it poosible to
>distinguish replies via mail and via webinterface?


Mailman's subscribe log will have this information including whether
web or email confirmation.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 10 19:11:58 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:11:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Tender Requested
In-Reply-To: <9CC100F3F4364DBCA18783718555401B@GRANT>
Message-ID: <PC18702008101010115801409e079bc6@msapiro>

Grant Peel wrote:
>
>Modify Apache (with suexec) such that all VirtualHosts could use mailman,


This is very difficult if not impossible. Mailman is not designed to
work with suexec. If you have to use suexec, you'll have to run
multiple mailman instances, give up virtual domains or make
significant changes to Mailman.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From gpeel at thenetnow.com  Fri Oct 10 19:25:10 2008
From: gpeel at thenetnow.com (gpeel)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:25:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Tender Requested
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008101010115801409e079bc6@msapiro>
References: <9CC100F3F4364DBCA18783718555401B@GRANT>
	<PC18702008101010115801409e079bc6@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20081010171837.M4594@thenetnow.com>

Mark,

The sentiment is understood.

The same was said about running openwebmail, which, out-of-the-box is setup 
(SUID) in PERL in a similar fassion as Mailman.

What I am invisioning, is mailman being setup in /home the same way as any 
virtual domain, except as a user dir.

/home/~mailman/public_html ...

Then adding an redirect to the virtual domains:

Redirect /mailman http://virtual_domain.ext/~nmailman/cgi-bin

I have it somewhat working now, i.e. I can get the web pages to come up OK, 
but am at a bit of a standstill with permissions and cookies.

Will keep on chugging though.

-Grant

P.S. There are a *few* googles that people say they have it working with 
suexec .... some pretty old though.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:11:58 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote
> Grant Peel wrote:
> >
> >Modify Apache (with suexec) such that all VirtualHosts could use mailman,
> 
> This is very difficult if not impossible. Mailman is not designed to
> work with suexec. If you have to use suexec, you'll have to run
> multiple mailman instances, give up virtual domains or make
> significant changes to Mailman.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 10 19:36:12 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:36:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTP authentication / local delivery
In-Reply-To: <48EF2943.4010802@students.mimuw.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <PC18702008101010361207656316b449@msapiro>

Stanislaw T. Findeisen wrote:

>How to make Mailman authenticate itself to Postfix (or other SMTP 
>server) while sending mail?
>
>=======================================================================
>Oct  9 22:07:25 srv-1 postfix/smtpd[15205]: connect from 
>localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
>Oct  9 22:07:25 srv-1 postfix/smtpd[15205]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 
>localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 554 5.7.1 
><sf181257 at students.mimuw.edu.pl>: Relay access denied; 
>from=<o-madrosci-bounces at eisenbits.homelinux.net> 
>to=<sf181257 at students.mimuw.edu.pl> proto=ESMTP helo=<[192.168.0.1]>
>Oct  9 22:07:25 srv-1 postfix/smtpd[15205]: disconnect from 
>localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
>=======================================================================
>
>I think Mailman is not authenticating itself to Postfix here.


Right.


>I already solved this by telling Postfix to allow mail from local 
>senders without authentication (permit_mynetworks), but I wonder if 
>Mailman could authenticate itself to the SMTP server.


There are various patches for this, but if you're using a local server, 
permit_mynetworks is the way to go.

That said, see
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-October/047086.html>
for one simple patch.

Also see
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1798683&group_id=103&atid=300103>.


>Another option would be to force Mailman to use some local mail delivery 
>facilities instead of TCP/IP. This is what mail(1) seems to be doing:
>
>=======================================================================
>Oct 10 10:04:30 srv-1 postfix/pickup[17872]: 9A1B65A4228: uid=500 from=<stf>
>Oct 10 10:04:30 srv-1 postfix/cleanup[18279]: 9A1B65A4228: 
>message-id=<20081010080430.9A1B65A4228 at srv-1.eisenbits.homelinux.net>
>Oct 10 10:04:30 srv-1 postfix/qmgr[2226]: 9A1B65A4228: 
>from=<stf at eisenbits.homelinux.net>, size=381, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
>Oct 10 10:04:32 srv-1 postfix/smtp[18281]: 9A1B65A4228: 
>to=<sf181257 at students.mimuw.edu.pl>, 
>relay=mail.chello.pl[213.46.255.2]:25, delay=2, delays=0.01/0/1.2/0.84, 
>dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Qw4W1a05w218yYv02w4X7H mail accepted 
>for delivery)
>Oct 10 10:04:32 srv-1 postfix/qmgr[2226]: 9A1B65A4228: removed
>=======================================================================
>
>See? Here a Postfix thing called "pickup" is invoked, instead of smtpd. 
>No authentication is required, I guess. mail(1) can, how about Mailman?


Mailman can use the sendmail (or other) command to deliver mail. See
the settings DELIVERY_MODULE and SENDMAIL_CMD and their documentation
in Defaults.py, but DON'T DO IT. See the documentation in the
Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py module for reasons.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 10 19:48:46 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:48:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-to header
In-Reply-To: <48EF72BC.7020608@bates.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810101048460906d12cee78@msapiro>

Karen R McArthur wrote:

>On default setup, I currently have:
>
>first_strip_reply_to = False
>reply_goes_to_list = 1
>reply_to_address = ''


Brad has already posted a very good response. I'm just responding to a
couple of technical issues.

With the above settings, the list posting address will be added to the
address(es) in any existing Reply-To: header in the post. The domain
of the list posting address is the list's host_name attribute.


>As a second puzzle, when I change reply_goes_to_list = 0, reply-to 
>header is still going to the list ...


If reply_goes_to_list = 0 and first_strip_reply_to = False or 0,
Mailman should not be altering any Reply-To: in the incoming post. If
this is not the case, there is probably some modification to the code
in Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py or some other modification that's
doing it.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 10 20:06:22 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:06:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postings_responses
In-Reply-To: <20081010113200.N59810@seyyav.pair.com>
Message-ID: <PC187020081010110622010984cbee43@msapiro>

mailman at sweetbourbon.com wrote:
>
>Have some trouble with accessing a Mailman list via its web interface, 
>mailman 2.1.9.  I did a dump of the config.pck file and notice the that 
>postings_responses option is very large and full of mailer-daemon and 
>postmaster addresses.  What does this option record?  Is it safe to wipe 
>it out?
>
>I did a google but I can't find any that explains what postings_responses 
>is or the information that it records.  Any insight is appreciated.


If the list's Auto-responder -> autorespond_postings setting is Yes and
autoresponse_graceperiod > 0, postings_responses keeps track of when
we can send the next autoresponse to this user.

You can empty the dictionary (with withlist or whatever) as long as you
don't actually delete it.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From guilherme.funchal at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 20:14:04 2008
From: guilherme.funchal at gmail.com (Guilherme Funchal)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:14:04 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP
Message-ID: <e368268e0810101114n2b236832q1e5ecb63c627d5cf@mail.gmail.com>

lists based on LDAP is possible ?


regards




==============================
Guilherme Funchal da Silva .`.
LPI Level 2 Certification

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 10 21:22:49 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:22:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP
In-Reply-To: <e368268e0810101114n2b236832q1e5ecb63c627d5cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810101222490234bc9649db@msapiro>

Guilherme Funchal wrote:

>lists based on LDAP is possible ?


See
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=871062&group_id=103&atid=300103>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 10 21:45:44 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:45:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Tender Requested
In-Reply-To: <20081010171837.M4594@thenetnow.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810101245440156caed6e88@msapiro>

gpeel wrote:
>
>What I am invisioning, is mailman being setup in /home the same way as any 
>virtual domain, except as a user dir.
>
>/home/~mailman/public_html ...
>
>Then adding an redirect to the virtual domains:
>
>Redirect /mailman http://virtual_domain.ext/~nmailman/cgi-bin
>
>I have it somewhat working now, i.e. I can get the web pages to come up OK, 
>but am at a bit of a standstill with permissions and cookies.


Permissions tend to be the big stumbling block in the suexec
environment. This tends to lead to a complete mailman installation for
each virtual host configured for the user:group of that host.

Cookies are probably not the issue. More likely the POST data is being
lost in the redirect.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 10 22:20:04 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:20:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP
In-Reply-To: <48EFB431.7050605@westmont.edu>
Message-ID: <PC187020081010132004010987a5ee31@msapiro>

Anne Anderson wrote:

>Can LDAP be used to authenticate logins for mailman?


Yes, but depending on what you actually want, there may be significant
implimentation effort involved. This is not an out-of-box or turn-key
installation.

The LDAP MemberAdaptor linked below has several limitations. Quoting
from the link below:

Mailman lists with LDAP-based membership can still have moderators,
list policies, and the other usual features of Mailman lists. There
are a few missing features; notably:

1. There is no bounce processing.
2. There are no per-user preferences.
3. The Web interface still allows you to try setting user preferences,
but if you do you will get a stack thrown at you. (Only the "readable"
interface of MemberAdaptor is implemented.)
4. The LDAP settings of a list (e.g. LDAP server and search string) are
only administrable by editing its "extend.py" file, not over the Web.
5. There is no digest mode.

>> See
>> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=871062&group_id=103&atid=300103>.
>> 

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From kd5de at nwla.com  Sat Oct 11 14:26:14 2008
From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:26:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cpanel problem
Message-ID: <48F09B66.5020401@nwla.com>

Well I must admit that after 14 years as a provider and using MailMan 
since it's earliest days I am totally stumped. I was contracted to move 
a web site and its mailing list to another provider. Well it was the 
first time I dealt with Cpanel. I set up the list and populated it only 
to find out after the fact that because of a 100 email per hour cap the 
little list of 551 members would have to be split up. Mailman could only 
send mail to 100 recipients per list.
I am at a total lost how to split up a list  into 5 parts and make  
appear to come from one list and have a common subscription interface 
fro all the list.  So who has a magic solution.
Mel

-- 
System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com
Linux User #25446    Linux 2.6.20


From brad at shub-internet.org  Sat Oct 11 16:25:07 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:25:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cpanel problem
In-Reply-To: <48F09B66.5020401@nwla.com>
References: <48F09B66.5020401@nwla.com>
Message-ID: <48F0B743.2010400@shub-internet.org>

Mel wrote:
> Well I must admit that after 14 years as a provider and using MailMan 
> since it's earliest days I am totally stumped. I was contracted to move 
> a web site and its mailing list to another provider. Well it was the 
> first time I dealt with Cpanel. I set up the list and populated it only 
> to find out after the fact that because of a 100 email per hour cap the 
> little list of 551 members would have to be split up. Mailman could only 
> send mail to 100 recipients per list.
> I am at a total lost how to split up a list  into 5 parts and make  
> appear to come from one list and have a common subscription interface 
> fro all the list.  So who has a magic solution.

The Wiki FAQ is at 
<http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Frequently+Asked+Questions>.  Search 
for "cpanel", and then search for "rate limit".

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From aba at westmont.edu  Fri Oct 10 21:59:45 2008
From: aba at westmont.edu (Anne Anderson)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:59:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810101222490234bc9649db@msapiro>
References: <PC1870200810101222490234bc9649db@msapiro>
Message-ID: <48EFB431.7050605@westmont.edu>

Can LDAP be used to authenticate logins for mailman?  We use LDAP to 
have a single sign-on for just about everything on campus, but the 
notable exception is mailman.

Anne

Anne Anderson	aba at westmont.edu
Web Application Developer / Database Manager
Information Technology
Westmont College, Santa Barbara, CA, USA


Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Guilherme Funchal wrote:
> 
>> lists based on LDAP is possible ?
> 
> 
> See
> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=871062&group_id=103&atid=300103>.
> 

From kd5de at nwla.com  Sat Oct 11 16:59:39 2008
From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:59:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cpanel problem
In-Reply-To: <48F0B743.2010400@shub-internet.org>
References: <48F09B66.5020401@nwla.com> <48F0B743.2010400@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <48F0BF5B.3010804@nwla.com>

I forgot to reply all on the post, BTW the hosting service is GKG just 
in case this comes up
Well I found no reference to rate limit after searching for Cpanel on 
the WIKI but here what the hosting service sent me, I will say it is a 
raw deal. I am running the list locally on my list server for the time 
being and this was not part of the deal.

"Our server does what is called a Sender Verify, it checks to see if the 
email
address that is sending from, is valid. Since it doesn't exist, the emails
all fail.
Remember also that there is a 100 emails per hour limit on sending 
emails. So
if you have more than 100 people on the list, it will send to the first 100
people and then the rest will bounce. If that is the case, you will need to
split your list of users up into several lists."

-- 
System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com
Linux User #25446    Linux 2.6.20


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 11 17:55:15 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:55:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cpanel problem
In-Reply-To: <48F0BF5B.3010804@nwla.com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008101108551505310ece0d62@msapiro>

Mel wrote:

>I forgot to reply all on the post, BTW the hosting service is GKG just 
>in case this comes up
>Well I found no reference to rate limit after searching for Cpanel on 
>the WIKI but here what the hosting service sent me, I will say it is a 
>raw deal. I am running the list locally on my list server for the time 
>being and this was not part of the deal.


I suggest you encourage your client to move to a hosting service that
offers useable mailman lists. There are such services. At least one
(emwd.com) is an active participant in this list.


>"Our server does what is called a Sender Verify, it checks to see if the 
>email
>address that is sending from, is valid. Since it doesn't exist, the emails
>all fail.


Since you read the cPanel FAQ, I hope you realize that any or all of
the following may be wrong, but it is correct for Mailman as
distributed by the GNU Mailman project.

What doesn't exist? Mailman mails are from
listname-bounces at example.com. This should be a valid, deliverable
address or bounce processing won't work.

Or are they trying to say mail has to be from an actual customer
mailbox.


>Remember also that there is a 100 emails per hour limit on sending 
>emails. So
>if you have more than 100 people on the list, it will send to the first 100
>people and then the rest will bounce. If that is the case, you will need to
>split your list of users up into several lists."


Depending on the actual SMTP response, Mailman may put the message with
undelivered recipients in the 'retry' queue and continue to retry at
intervals (default 15 min) for (default) 5 days. So if the MTA rejects
the 'extra' recipients with a response of 552 or any 4yz, the failed
recipients will be retried. It will still take 5+ hours to deliver to
551 recipients, which implies a hopeless backlog if there are more
than 4 posts in a day, but the mail should eventually be delivered.

It is apparent that GKG is not interested in providing a useable
Mailman service for other than very small, low traffic lists. If they
were, they could accommodate this. Encourage your client to find an
appropriate provider.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brad at shub-internet.org  Sat Oct 11 18:18:06 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:18:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cpanel problem
In-Reply-To: <48F0BF5B.3010804@nwla.com>
References: <48F09B66.5020401@nwla.com> <48F0B743.2010400@shub-internet.org>
	<48F0BF5B.3010804@nwla.com>
Message-ID: <48F0D1BE.9020408@shub-internet.org>

Mel wrote:

> Well I found no reference to rate limit after searching for Cpanel on 
> the WIKI but here what the hosting service sent me, I will say it is a 
> raw deal. I am running the list locally on my list server for the time 
> being and this was not part of the deal.

Unfortunately, we can't control what cPanel does with our code.  They 
have taken our code, made significant modifications to it, and then have 
not shared their changes with us.  So, if you want to get any support on 
cPanel products, you need to use their resources.

Searching the FAQ Wiki for "rate limit", you should have found FAQ 4.51 
AT <http://wiki.list.org/x/j4A9>.


As Mark said, if your provider is not giving you the features you 
want/need, then I suggest you find another provider.  There are at least 
two or three that actively participate in this list, and work to help 
people here even if those people aren't current customers.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From kelly.terry.jones at gmail.com  Sat Oct 11 19:19:47 2008
From: kelly.terry.jones at gmail.com (Kelly Jones)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:19:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] withlist -q still not quiet
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810072115590984c9c971d3@msapiro>
References: <26face530810072033x32b2c302t35086381083da8a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1870200810072115590984c9c971d3@msapiro>
Message-ID: <26face530810111019t536b21c5w2f766a45e5ab63a9@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, according to "withlist --help":

% bin/withlist [options] listname [args ...]

which means the listname is required on the command line, no?

How do I move the listname into a script instead?

-- 
We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying
to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to
new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile.

On 10/7/08, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> Kelly Jones wrote:
>
>>Why does "withlist -q test" say "The variable `m' is the test MailList
>>instance". Shouldn't -q suppress that message?
>
>
> Arguably it should, but no one anticipated you would want to supress
> the banner in interactive mode.
>
>
>>It's annoying because I run withlist stuff in cron and want it to run
>>silently unless there are errors. I realize I can:
>>
>>2| fgrep -v 'the variable `m' is the'
>>
>>or something, but that seems excessive.
>
>
> If withlist reads a script and is given -q and there are no
> warnings/errors, there will be no output.
>
>
> [msapiro at msapiro ...f/test-mailman]$ bin/withlist -a -r no_op
> Importing no_op...
> Running no_op.no_op()...
> Loading list century-announce (unlocked)
> Loading list century-announce-test (unlocked)
> Loading list list1 (unlocked)
> Loading list mailman (unlocked)
> Loading list test (unlocked)
> Finalizing
> [msapiro at msapiro ...f/test-mailman]$ bin/withlist -a -r no_op -q
> [msapiro at msapiro ...f/test-mailman]$
>
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 11 20:09:07 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:09:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] withlist -q still not quiet
In-Reply-To: <26face530810111019t536b21c5w2f766a45e5ab63a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008101111090709212f2029a0@msapiro>

Kelly Jones wrote:

>Mark, according to "withlist --help":
>
>% bin/withlist [options] listname [args ...]
>
>which means the listname is required on the command line, no?


True, but the latter explaination of the "--all / -a" option qualifies
this


>How do I move the listname into a script instead?


It is not the absence of listname that supresses the banner and makes
withlist -q truly quiet. It is the presence of the "-r callable"
option.


[msapiro at msapiro ...f/test-mailman]$ bin/withlist -r no_op list1
Importing no_op...
Running no_op.no_op()...
Loading list list1 (unlocked)
Finalizing
[msapiro at msapiro ...f/test-mailman]$ bin/withlist -r no_op -q list1
[msapiro at msapiro ...f/test-mailman]$

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From guilherme.funchal at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 00:59:58 2008
From: guilherme.funchal at gmail.com (Guilherme Funchal)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:59:58 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081010132004010987a5ee31@msapiro>
References: <48EFB431.7050605@westmont.edu>
	<PC187020081010132004010987a5ee31@msapiro>
Message-ID: <e368268e0810111559j112e3605m623297885c673eb8@mail.gmail.com>

Please help me with mailman with LDAP

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=871062&group_id=103&atid=300

===========================================================

My extend.py is :

from Mailman.LDAPMemberships import LDAPMemberships

def extend(list):
    ldap = LDAPMemberships(list)
    ldap.ldapsearch = "(uid=lista-teste)"   # your LDAP search here
    ldap.ldapserver = "localhost"  # your LDAP server
    ldap.ldapbasedn = "dc=simers,dc=org,dc=br" # your base DN
    ldap.LDAP_MAIL_ATTRS = ("mail","mailalternateaddress","cn")
    ldap.ldapbinddn = 'cn=admin,dc=simers,dc=org,dc=br'                 #
bind DN that can access 'mail' field
    ldap.LDAP_LIST_RDN_ATTR = "cn"
    ldap.ldappasswd = 'unitec_07'                 # bind password for
ldapbinddn
    ldap.ldaprefresh = 360              # OPTIONAL refresh time in seconds
    list._memberadaptor = ldap

===================================================
Ldap entry :

dn: uid=lista-teste,dc=simers,dc=org,dc=br
uid: lista-teste
givenName: MailList
sn: lista-teste
homeDirectory: /home/false
loginShell: /bin/false
objectClass: posixAccount
objectClass: inetOrgPerson
objectClass: shadowAccount
objectClass: qmailUser
objectClass: phpgwAccount
objectClass: top
objectClass: person
objectClass: organizationalPerson
phpgwAccountExpires: -1
phpgwAccountType: l
uidNumber: 1790
gidNumber: 0
deliveryMode: forwardOnly
accountStatus: active
mailForwardingAddress: alexandre at simers.org.br
mailForwardingAddress: carlos at simers.org.br
mailForwardingAddress: informatica at simers.org.br
mailForwardingAddress: fabio at simers.org.br
mailForwardingAddress: helpdesk at simers.org.br
mailForwardingAddress: joaofrederico at simers.org.br
mailForwardingAddress: marcio.zamperetti at simers.org.br
mailForwardingAddress: rafael at simers.org.br
mail: lista-teste at simers.org.br
cn: lista-teste

But i use list_members command the mailman returns one
lista-teste at simers.org.br

Who can help me ?



2008/10/10 Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>

> Anne Anderson wrote:
>
> >Can LDAP be used to authenticate logins for mailman?
>
>
> Yes, but depending on what you actually want, there may be significant
> implimentation effort involved. This is not an out-of-box or turn-key
> installation.
>
> The LDAP MemberAdaptor linked below has several limitations. Quoting
> from the link below:
>
> Mailman lists with LDAP-based membership can still have moderators,
> list policies, and the other usual features of Mailman lists. There
> are a few missing features; notably:
>
> 1. There is no bounce processing.
> 2. There are no per-user preferences.
> 3. The Web interface still allows you to try setting user preferences,
> but if you do you will get a stack thrown at you. (Only the "readable"
> interface of MemberAdaptor is implemented.)
> 4. The LDAP settings of a list (e.g. LDAP server and search string) are
> only administrable by editing its "extend.py" file, not over the Web.
> 5. There is no digest mode.
>
> >> See
> >> <
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=871062&group_id=103&atid=300103
> >.
> >>
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
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-- 
"H? homens que lutam um dia e s?o bons;
h? outros que lutam um ano e s?o melhores.
H? outros que lutam muitos anos e s?o muito bons.
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==============================
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From brad at shub-internet.org  Sun Oct 12 05:11:00 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:11:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP
In-Reply-To: <e368268e0810111559j112e3605m623297885c673eb8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48EFB431.7050605@westmont.edu>	<PC187020081010132004010987a5ee31@msapiro>
	<e368268e0810111559j112e3605m623297885c673eb8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F16AC4.2040108@shub-internet.org>

Guilherme Funchal wrote:

> Please help me with mailman with LDAP
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=871062&group_id=103&atid=300

This is a question that is more suitable for the mailman-developers 
list, not mailman-users.

-- 
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LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From rclemings at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 08:13:11 2008
From: rclemings at gmail.com (Russell Clemings)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:13:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] generic_nonmember_action and header_filter_rules
Message-ID: <b79d6a850810112313o7ffc1648ld6e63a2331531e79@mail.gmail.com>

I have generic_nonmember_action set to "reject." I also have
header_filter_rules set to "hold" if an incoming message has
"X-Spam-Flag: YES" in its headers.

My current problem is the second test overrides the first -- i.e., if
a non-member tries to post a message flagged as spam, it is held
rather than rejected. As you might imagine, this happens rather often.

Is there a way to change the order of operations on these filters? I'd
like to have posts from non-members rejected every time, whether they
match the spam filter or not.

This is cPanel's hack of Mailman (version 2.1.11.cp2), not the real mccoy, fwiw.

rac

From gpeel at thenetnow.com  Sun Oct 12 15:20:59 2008
From: gpeel at thenetnow.com (Grant Peel)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:20:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache + Suexec
Message-ID: <96D193A6A6F5433DB4183D40FB509961@GRANT>

All,

Is it possible to install mailman (FreeBSD, from ports, with Apache + 
Suexec, Exim), onto a per domain basis?

If so, does anyone have a ducumented procedure?

-Grant 


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 13 02:55:08 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:55:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] generic_nonmember_action and header_filter_rules
In-Reply-To: <b79d6a850810112313o7ffc1648ld6e63a2331531e79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008101217550801561f58c024@msapiro>

Russell Clemings wrote:

>I have generic_nonmember_action set to "reject." I also have
>header_filter_rules set to "hold" if an incoming message has
>"X-Spam-Flag: YES" in its headers.
>
>My current problem is the second test overrides the first -- i.e., if
>a non-member tries to post a message flagged as spam, it is held
>rather than rejected. As you might imagine, this happens rather often.
>
>Is there a way to change the order of operations on these filters? I'd
>like to have posts from non-members rejected every time, whether they
>match the spam filter or not.
>
>This is cPanel's hack of Mailman (version 2.1.11.cp2), not the real mccoy, fwiw.


Do you have access to mm_cfg.py? That's what's required to change this.

IncomingRunner passes the message througe a pipeline of handler
modules. The first one that says hold|reject|discard this message
determins what is done.  The default pipeline is

GLOBAL_PIPELINE = [
    # These are the modules that do tasks common to all delivery paths.
    'SpamDetect',
    'Approve',
    'Replybot',
    'Moderate',
    'Hold',
    'MimeDel',
    'Scrubber',
    'Emergency',
    'Tagger',
    'CalcRecips',
    'AvoidDuplicates',
    'Cleanse',
    'CleanseDKIM',
    'CookHeaders',
    # And now we send the message to the digest mbox file, and to the
arch and
    # news queues.  Runners will provide further processing of the
message,
    # specific to those delivery paths.
    'ToDigest',
    'ToArchive',
    'ToUsenet',
    # Now we'll do a few extra things specific to the member delivery
    # (outgoing) path, finally leaving the message in the outgoing
queue.
    'AfterDelivery',
    'Acknowledge',
    'ToOutgoing',
    ]


SpamDetect does header_filter_rules; Moderate does member moderation
and non-member actions, and Hold does several miscellaneous holds.

To do what you want, you need to reorder the pipeline so that
SpamDetect comes after Moderate.

You could do this by putting the following in mm_cfg.py

GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('SpamDetect')
GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'SpamDetect')

which would remove SpamDetect from the pipeline and then insert it
between Moderate and Hold.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rclemings at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 03:49:48 2008
From: rclemings at gmail.com (Russell Clemings)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:49:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] generic_nonmember_action and header_filter_rules
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008101217550801561f58c024@msapiro>
References: <b79d6a850810112313o7ffc1648ld6e63a2331531e79@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC18702008101217550801561f58c024@msapiro>
Message-ID: <b79d6a850810121849g470b6354ka2ac27c34df4801@mail.gmail.com>

I think that does it.

(Well, that and remembering to restart Mailman with /bin/mailmanctl restart) :)

thx

rac

On 10/12/08, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> Russell Clemings wrote:
>
>  >I have generic_nonmember_action set to "reject." I also have
>  >header_filter_rules set to "hold" if an incoming message has
>  >"X-Spam-Flag: YES" in its headers.
>  >
>  >My current problem is the second test overrides the first -- i.e., if
>  >a non-member tries to post a message flagged as spam, it is held
>  >rather than rejected. As you might imagine, this happens rather often.
>  >
>  >Is there a way to change the order of operations on these filters? I'd
>  >like to have posts from non-members rejected every time, whether they
>  >match the spam filter or not.
>  >
>  >This is cPanel's hack of Mailman (version 2.1.11.cp2), not the real mccoy, fwiw.
>
>
>
> Do you have access to mm_cfg.py? That's what's required to change this.
>
>  IncomingRunner passes the message througe a pipeline of handler
>  modules. The first one that says hold|reject|discard this message
>  determins what is done.  The default pipeline is
>
>  GLOBAL_PIPELINE = [
>     # These are the modules that do tasks common to all delivery paths.
>     'SpamDetect',
>     'Approve',
>     'Replybot',
>     'Moderate',
>     'Hold',
>     'MimeDel',
>     'Scrubber',
>     'Emergency',
>     'Tagger',
>     'CalcRecips',
>     'AvoidDuplicates',
>     'Cleanse',
>     'CleanseDKIM',
>     'CookHeaders',
>     # And now we send the message to the digest mbox file, and to the
>  arch and
>     # news queues.  Runners will provide further processing of the
>  message,
>     # specific to those delivery paths.
>     'ToDigest',
>     'ToArchive',
>     'ToUsenet',
>     # Now we'll do a few extra things specific to the member delivery
>     # (outgoing) path, finally leaving the message in the outgoing
>  queue.
>     'AfterDelivery',
>     'Acknowledge',
>     'ToOutgoing',
>     ]
>
>
>  SpamDetect does header_filter_rules; Moderate does member moderation
>  and non-member actions, and Hold does several miscellaneous holds.
>
>  To do what you want, you need to reorder the pipeline so that
>  SpamDetect comes after Moderate.
>
>  You could do this by putting the following in mm_cfg.py
>
>  GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('SpamDetect')
>  GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'SpamDetect')
>
>  which would remove SpamDetect from the pipeline and then insert it
>  between Moderate and Hold.
>
>
>  --
>  Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
>  San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>

From nitin.bhadauria at tetrain.com  Mon Oct 13 09:41:29 2008
From: nitin.bhadauria at tetrain.com (Nitin Bhadauria)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:11:29 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail are not going out from mailman...
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008100709115901714c231ea6@msapiro>
References: <PC18702008100709115901714c231ea6@msapiro>
Message-ID: <48F2FBA9.2090007@tetrain.com>

Hi Mark,

SMTP_MAX_RCPTS is not working for me because i got more then 2000 
thousand mail id's from same domain and if i go for that option mails 
will stuck . If i don't configure the option i am getting errors in mailq :

"delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with 
yahoo.com[11.111.1.1] while sending DATA command" OR
"server refused to talk to me: 421 4.7.0 [TS01] Messages from 111.1.11.1 
temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4."

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Nitin Bhadauria wrote:
>   
>> I found the problem the "Bounce processing" option was disabled. The 
>> mailman send the mail to 500 rcpt at once because of the 20 user are 
>> says User unknown in virtual mailbox table so all the 500 mails are keep 
>> bouncing between mailman and postfix.
>>     
>
>
> Enabling bounce processing in this situation will just remove valid
> member addresses from your list. What you need to do is set
>
> SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10
>
> (or some number less than 20) in mm_cfg.py, so you don't ever have more
> than 20 recipients to one domain.
>
>   


From isanders at tpg.com.au  Mon Oct 13 05:36:50 2008
From: isanders at tpg.com.au (Ivan Sanders)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:36:50 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing
Message-ID: <011101c92ce4$ed83e720$c88bb560$@com.au>

G'day guys,

 

I'm a new Mailman admin, with 11 lists to look after.   The area I want to
tie down is bounce processing.   What I'm looking for, is for every message
which doesn't make it to it's destination (ie mailbox full) for an advice
message to come back to the administrator (which means I need Bounce
Processing to be turned on), but for the user to NOT be marked inactive..

 

I've tried setting the bounce score up high, but that just means I don't get
notified of a problem (and users are missing messages) - but if I set it to
1, then they get marked inactive straight away 

 

Any advice appreciated


Cheers

 

Ivan

 


From brad at shub-internet.org  Mon Oct 13 17:25:55 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:25:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail are not going out from mailman...
In-Reply-To: <48F2FBA9.2090007@tetrain.com>
References: <PC18702008100709115901714c231ea6@msapiro>
	<48F2FBA9.2090007@tetrain.com>
Message-ID: <48F36883.7090003@shub-internet.org>

Nitin Bhadauria wrote:

> SMTP_MAX_RCPTS is not working for me because i got more then 2000 
> thousand mail id's from same domain and if i go for that option mails 
> will stuck . If i don't configure the option i am getting errors in mailq :

Setting SMTP_MAX_RCPTS is basically what you need to adequately communicate 
with your local MTA.

Your local MTA should be handling whatever is required to split envelopes 
into smaller chunks, if that is what the remote MTA is requiring.  If the 
remote MTA is throttling you based on the total number of recipients in a 
unit of time (and not the number of messages), then your local MTA should 
also be handling appropriate retransmissions to get your traffic through at 
a later time.

If your local MTA is not doing this for you, then you might want to look at 
changing the configuration of your MTA, or maybe getting a different one.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 13 17:38:33 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:38:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail are not going out from mailman...
In-Reply-To: <48F2FBA9.2090007@tetrain.com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008101308383307508681f0cf@msapiro>

Nitin Bhadauria wrote:
>
>SMTP_MAX_RCPTS is not working for me because i got more then 2000 
>thousand mail id's from same domain and if i go for that option mails 
>will stuck .


Stuck where? Reducing SMTP_MAX_RCPTS from the default 500 to 10 will
increase the number of SMTP transactions between Mailman and the MTA
and will reduce the number of recipients per transaction. This in turn
will ensure that no message from your MTA to a destination domain has
more than 10 recipients.


>If i don't configure the option i am getting errors in mailq :
>
>"delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with 
>yahoo.com[11.111.1.1] while sending DATA command" OR
>"server refused to talk to me: 421 4.7.0 [TS01] Messages from 111.1.11.1 
>temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4."


And your MTA should be retrying those, and Yahoo will ultimately accept
them. I have seen the 421 4.7.0 [TS01] error from Yahoo in the past
even with VERPd messages with one recipient per message, but the
messages were always eventually accepted.

Perhaps you should talk to Yahoo about getting whitelisted.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 13 17:48:00 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:48:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing
In-Reply-To: <011101c92ce4$ed83e720$c88bb560$@com.au>
Message-ID: <PC18702008101308480009378681f169@msapiro>

Ivan Sanders wrote:
>
>I'm a new Mailman admin, with 11 lists to look after.   The area I want to
>tie down is bounce processing.   What I'm looking for, is for every message
>which doesn't make it to it's destination (ie mailbox full) for an advice
>message to come back to the administrator (which means I need Bounce
>Processing to be turned on), but for the user to NOT be marked inactive..


These are conflicting goals for Mailman bounce processing. Mailman only
forwards the DSN to the admin when it is the DSN that triggers a
disable and bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is Yes.	

If you want to see every DSN, whether or not it triggers a disable, you
have to set aliases or whatever in your MTA so that messages to the
listname-bounces at ... address get delivered to 'owner' either in
addition to or instead of 'bounces'.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dbgsystems at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 06:56:24 2008
From: dbgsystems at gmail.com (Darragh Gammell)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:56:24 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Create List Aliases
In-Reply-To: <48EC9AB4.7030300@Media-Brokers.com>
References: <d9bbc88c0810071851w7fcb0abdj9d8c45742d3ae535@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EC9AB4.7030300@Media-Brokers.com>
Message-ID: <d9bbc88c0810132156w18d241acr5bbedc7a9cf9fdc2@mail.gmail.com>

Charles
Sorry for the confusion. That was me creating a list with a name that just
wouldn't be used anywhere else. My query was regarding the RHS section of
the alias listings.
The wwqq is just random typing from me so that it was a unique name.




Thanks Mark for your input. For the sake of providing a solution I restored
from backup tape and here's what the difference was:


In the file: /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Utils.py


I changed this section: (default install)

def _makealiases_mailprog(listname):
    wrapper = os.path.join(mm_cfg.WRAPPER_DIR, 'mailman')

    aliases = [(listname,          '"|%s post %s"' % (wrapper, listname)),
               ]
    for ext in ('admin', 'bounces', 'confirm', 'join', 'leave', 'owner',
                'request', 'subscribe', 'unsubscribe'):
        aliases.append(('%s-%s' % (listname, ext),
                        '"|%s %s %s"' % (wrapper, ext, listname)))
    return aliases


To This:

def _makealiases_mailprog(listname):
    wrapper = os.path.join(mm_cfg.WRAPPER_DIR, 'mailman')

    aliases = [(listname,          '%s at lists.blah.net.au' % (listname)),
               ]
    for ext in ('admin', 'bounces', 'confirm', 'join', 'leave', 'owner',
                'request', 'subscribe', 'unsubscribe'):
        aliases.append(('%s-%s' % (listname, ext),
                        '%s-%s at lists.blah.net.au <s-%25s at lists.blah.net.au>'
% (listname,ext)))

    return aliases




Or to reiterate the exact same thing in an easier to read way:

I changed this line:       aliases = [(listname,          '"|%s post %s"' %
(wrapper, listname)),
to this:                        aliases = [(listname,          '%
s at lists.blah.net.au' % (listname)),

and this line:               '"|%s %s %s"' % (wrapper, ext, listname)))
to this:
'%s-%s at lists.blah.net.au<s-%25s at lists.blah.net.au>'
% (listname,ext)))


Its now creating the aliases the way it was prior to the upgrade.

Thanks

Darragh


On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Charles Marcus
<CMarcus at media-brokers.com>wrote:

> On 10/7/2008 9:51 PM, Darragh Gammell wrote:
> > # STANZA END: darragh
> >
> > After the upgrade its adding entries like:
> >
> > # STANZA START: darraghwwqq
> >
> > Can someone please indicate where I've gone wrong
>
> wag of the day...
>
> I have seen many mysterious problems caused by using vi when editing
> config files. These 'wwqq' characters (wq = write-quit in vi) are
> suspicious - is this change intentional?
>
> --
>
> Best regards,
>
> Charles
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From pennguin at mac.com  Mon Oct 13 17:37:18 2008
From: pennguin at mac.com (Rob)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:37:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] generic_nonmember_action and header_filter_rules
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008101217550801561f58c024@msapiro>
References: <PC18702008101217550801561f58c024@msapiro>
Message-ID: <FED06B1D-EFD7-4D7E-B1A2-472DDA797DE5@mac.com>

Is mm_cfg.py going to be replaced each time Mailman is upgraded, or  
would these changes persist across upgrades?


On Oct 12, 2008, at 8:55 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Russell Clemings wrote:
>
>> I have generic_nonmember_action set to "reject." I also have
>> header_filter_rules set to "hold" if an incoming message has
>> "X-Spam-Flag: YES" in its headers.
>>
>> My current problem is the second test overrides the first -- i.e., if
>> a non-member tries to post a message flagged as spam, it is held
>> rather than rejected. As you might imagine, this happens rather  
>> often.
>>
>> Is there a way to change the order of operations on these filters?  
>> I'd
>> like to have posts from non-members rejected every time, whether they
>> match the spam filter or not.
>>
>> This is cPanel's hack of Mailman (version 2.1.11.cp2), not the real  
>> mccoy, fwiw.
>
>
> Do you have access to mm_cfg.py? That's what's required to change  
> this.
>
> IncomingRunner passes the message througe a pipeline of handler
> modules. The first one that says hold|reject|discard this message
> determins what is done.  The default pipeline is
>
> GLOBAL_PIPELINE = [
>    # These are the modules that do tasks common to all delivery paths.
>    'SpamDetect',
>    'Approve',
>    'Replybot',
>    'Moderate',
>    'Hold',
>    'MimeDel',
>    'Scrubber',
>    'Emergency',
>    'Tagger',
>    'CalcRecips',
>    'AvoidDuplicates',
>    'Cleanse',
>    'CleanseDKIM',
>    'CookHeaders',
>    # And now we send the message to the digest mbox file, and to the
> arch and
>    # news queues.  Runners will provide further processing of the
> message,
>    # specific to those delivery paths.
>    'ToDigest',
>    'ToArchive',
>    'ToUsenet',
>    # Now we'll do a few extra things specific to the member delivery
>    # (outgoing) path, finally leaving the message in the outgoing
> queue.
>    'AfterDelivery',
>    'Acknowledge',
>    'ToOutgoing',
>    ]
>
>
> SpamDetect does header_filter_rules; Moderate does member moderation
> and non-member actions, and Hold does several miscellaneous holds.
>
> To do what you want, you need to reorder the pipeline so that
> SpamDetect comes after Moderate.
>
> You could do this by putting the following in mm_cfg.py
>
> GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('SpamDetect')
> GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'SpamDetect')
>
> which would remove SpamDetect from the pipeline and then insert it
> between Moderate and Hold.
>
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
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From brad at shub-internet.org  Tue Oct 14 08:45:48 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:45:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] generic_nonmember_action and header_filter_rules
In-Reply-To: <FED06B1D-EFD7-4D7E-B1A2-472DDA797DE5@mac.com>
References: <PC18702008101217550801561f58c024@msapiro>
	<FED06B1D-EFD7-4D7E-B1A2-472DDA797DE5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <48F4401C.8000308@shub-internet.org>

Rob wrote:

> Is mm_cfg.py going to be replaced each time Mailman is upgraded, or 
> would these changes persist across upgrades?

In the standard installation that we provide, mm_cfg.py is preserved 
across upgrades.  This is why we suggest that local modifications be 
made to mm_cfg.py as opposed to Defaults.py, because the latter will 
definitely be overwritten on upgrade.

However, if you use a binary package, or a version otherwise modified by 
a third party (like cPanel, Apple, etc...) then we can't make any 
guarantees.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Oct 14 11:53:33 2008
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:53:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users Being Unsubscribed
Message-ID: <auto-000069476778@mailfront2.g2host.com>

I run multiple lists using Mailman 2.1.8.  Periodically some users 
receive a message asking them to confirm their unsubscribe from a 
given list.  This happens despite the fact that they have taken no 
action to unsubscribe.  It doesn't happen a lot, but enough that I 
know something is going on.  It has even happened to me and my 
account that is subscribed to lists.

What is triggering the unsubscribe attempt?  Is it spam that is doing 
it.  I know that if they ignore message, the unsubscribe attempt will 
age out, but they, the users don't understand what is going on.

Dave


From brad at shub-internet.org  Tue Oct 14 17:22:03 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:22:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users Being Unsubscribed
In-Reply-To: <auto-000069476778@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000069476778@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <48F4B91B.6070704@shub-internet.org>

David Andrews wrote:

> What is triggering the unsubscribe attempt?

Dunno.  What's in your logs?

>                                             Is it spam that is doing 
> it.

That's possible, but unlikely.  More likely is NDNs, notices to the 
effect of "Your message has been delayed but is still in the queue", etc....

But without knowing what's in your MTA and Mailman logs, it's impossible 
to go beyond pulling random straws out of thin air.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 14 17:40:35 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:40:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users Being Unsubscribed
In-Reply-To: <auto-000069476778@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810140840350765b313e3e0@msapiro>

David Andrews wrote:

>I run multiple lists using Mailman 2.1.8.  Periodically some users 
>receive a message asking them to confirm their unsubscribe from a 
>given list.  This happens despite the fact that they have taken no 
>action to unsubscribe.  It doesn't happen a lot, but enough that I 
>know something is going on.  It has even happened to me and my 
>account that is subscribed to lists.
>
>What is triggering the unsubscribe attempt?  Is it spam that is doing 
>it.  I know that if they ignore message, the unsubscribe attempt will 
>age out, but they, the users don't understand what is going on.


It could be spam, but it would have to be spam that spoofed the members
address in the From: header and was sent to the listname-unsubscribe
or listname-leave address.

It could also be some person, for whatever reason, intentionally trying
to unsubscribe someone else, either via email or via the
http:/www.example.com/mailman/options/listname web page.

As Brad suggests, you need to check MTA logs and web server logs for
this activity at the time the confirmation notice was sent to narrow
it down.

There won't be anything in Mailman's logs about this. Mailman will only
log the unsubscribe after it is confirmed. Also, this isn't bounce
processing because bounce processing doesn't send an unsubscribe
confirmation; it sends a re-enable delivery confirmation.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 14 18:27:20 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:27:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP
In-Reply-To: <48F4BD5A.8070502@westmont.edu>
Message-ID: <PC18702008101409272007344e3a6d72@msapiro>

Anne Anderson wrote:

>Thanks! I checked out the link you sent, and have been talking with my 
>colleagues about whether having list membership tied to LDAP groups 
>would be of benefit to us.
>
>What I'm most interested in is whether list administrators and 
>moderators would be able to access their administrative interfaces with 
>their LDAP username and password.
>
>I'm not sure if this would work, though, because I think that since 
>mailman asks only for a password (not a username) to get into the 
>administrative interface, it must not know or care who you are as long 
>as you give the right password.


Mailman 3 is going in this direction, i.e. a real back end user
database with user roles, but current Mailman 2.1/2.2 has as you note
just per-list passwords for admin and moderator authentication.
Converting this to user/password authentication, whether LDAP based or
not, would be a significant change. I'm not aware of anyone having
done this.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jcea at jcea.es  Tue Oct 14 22:44:25 2008
From: jcea at jcea.es (Jesus Cea)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.11 compatibility with python 2.6
Message-ID: <48F504A9.6070704@jcea.es>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi all.

I just upgraded to Python 2.6, and Mailman 2.1.11 has some issues.
Notably the "email" module and raising text exceptions.

Is any plan to release a version compatible with python 2.6 (or a patch)
"soon", or I need to downgrade my python installation?.

Thanks in advance.

- --
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jcea at jcea.es - http://www.jcea.es/     _/_/    _/_/  _/_/    _/_/  _/_/
jabber / xmpp:jcea at jabber.org         _/_/    _/_/          _/_/_/_/_/
.                              _/_/  _/_/    _/_/          _/_/  _/_/
"Things are not so easy"      _/_/  _/_/    _/_/  _/_/    _/_/  _/_/
"My name is Dump, Core Dump"   _/_/_/        _/_/_/      _/_/  _/_/
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From barry at list.org  Tue Oct 14 22:57:29 2008
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:57:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.11 compatibility with python 2.6
In-Reply-To: <48F504A9.6070704@jcea.es>
References: <48F504A9.6070704@jcea.es>
Message-ID: <09B0F15B-1862-441C-B225-24D67386F8B9@list.org>

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Hash: SHA1

On Oct 14, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:

> I just upgraded to Python 2.6, and Mailman 2.1.11 has some issues.
> Notably the "email" module and raising text exceptions.
>
> Is any plan to release a version compatible with python 2.6 (or a  
> patch)
> "soon", or I need to downgrade my python installation?.

I haven't tried it yet, but I'll be upgrading to Python 2.6 on my  
servers at some point in November.  Please be sure to submit bug  
reports to the Launchpad tracker for any issues you find.  If  
necessary we should release one more version to fix Python 2.6  
compatibility issues.

- -Barry

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From aba at westmont.edu  Tue Oct 14 17:40:10 2008
From: aba at westmont.edu (Anne Anderson)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:40:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081010132004010987a5ee31@msapiro>
References: <PC187020081010132004010987a5ee31@msapiro>
Message-ID: <48F4BD5A.8070502@westmont.edu>

Thanks! I checked out the link you sent, and have been talking with my 
colleagues about whether having list membership tied to LDAP groups 
would be of benefit to us.

What I'm most interested in is whether list administrators and 
moderators would be able to access their administrative interfaces with 
their LDAP username and password.

I'm not sure if this would work, though, because I think that since 
mailman asks only for a password (not a username) to get into the 
administrative interface, it must not know or care who you are as long 
as you give the right password.

Anne

Anne Anderson	aba at westmont.edu
Web Application Developer / Database Manager
Information Technology
Westmont College, Santa Barbara, CA, USA


Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Anne Anderson wrote:
> 
>> Can LDAP be used to authenticate logins for mailman?
> 
> 
> Yes, but depending on what you actually want, there may be significant
> implimentation effort involved. This is not an out-of-box or turn-key
> installation.
> 
> The LDAP MemberAdaptor linked below has several limitations. Quoting
> from the link below:
> 
> Mailman lists with LDAP-based membership can still have moderators,
> list policies, and the other usual features of Mailman lists. There
> are a few missing features; notably:
> 
> 1. There is no bounce processing.
> 2. There are no per-user preferences.
> 3. The Web interface still allows you to try setting user preferences,
> but if you do you will get a stack thrown at you. (Only the "readable"
> interface of MemberAdaptor is implemented.)
> 4. The LDAP settings of a list (e.g. LDAP server and search string) are
> only administrable by editing its "extend.py" file, not over the Web.
> 5. There is no digest mode.
> 
>>> See
>>> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=871062&group_id=103&atid=300103>.
>>>
> 

From alexander at nautae.eti.br  Tue Oct 14 15:30:41 2008
From: alexander at nautae.eti.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?AlexanDER Franca?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:30:41 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to use regular_exclude_lists?
Message-ID: <20081014133041.13900.qmail@hm615.locaweb.com.br>

Hi everyone.

Sorry for the stupid question, but... how can I use the regular_exclude_lists option?

I'm looking for this option in the Mailman documentation... but it seems impossible to find.

[]'s
Alexander
Brazil - Rio de Janeiro

From CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com  Tue Oct 14 23:51:34 2008
From: CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com (Charles Marcus)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:51:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: int argument required
Message-ID: <48F51466.7050906@Media-Brokers.com>

Greetings,

Ok, I just discovered that I'm not getting notifications when someone
sends a message that is too big... usually I get a notification, and can
click the link and 'Tend to pending moderator requests', and discard &
forward a copy to the list owner.

I don't get too many of these, so didn't notice right away that this
stopped working sometime recently...

I'm only on 2.5.2, but I think I did update fairly recently...

I'm *almost* certain (but wouldn't bet my life on it) that it was
working since the current modified date (8/21), which was after updating
to 2.1.11 I believe...

Anyway, thanks for any pointers/suggestions, and here's the error from
the errors log:

Oct 14 16:48:38 2008 (10988) Uncaught runner exception: int argument
required
Oct 14 16:48:38 2008 (10988) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
"/var/tmp/portage/net-mail/mailman-2.1.11/image//usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py",
line 120, in _oneloop
  File
"/var/tmp/portage/net-mail/mailman-2.1.11/image//usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py",
line 191, in _onefile
  File
"/var/tmp/portage/net-mail/mailman-2.1.11/image//usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py",
line 130, in _dispose
  File
"/var/tmp/portage/net-mail/mailman-2.1.11/image//usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py",
line 153, in _dopipeline
  File "/usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 188, in process
    MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size))
  File "/usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 225, in
hold_for_approval
    msgdata['rejection_notice'] = Utils.wrap(exc.rejection_notice(mlist))
  File "/usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 109, in
rejection_notice
    %(limit)d KB in size.''')
  File
"/var/tmp/portage/net-mail/mailman-2.1.11/image//usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py",
line 90, in _
TypeError: int argument required

Oct 14 16:48:38 2008 (10988) SHUNTING:
1224017316.8633909+cae6eec431b82efafdf75d6a598d1f65f2370453

And here's the customized block in Hold.py:

(Hmmm... did something weird happen when I copy/pasted after the last
update? Are there supposed to be dbl underscores (__) there?)

Beginning at line 93:
class MessageTooBig(Errors.HoldMessage):
    def __init__(self, msgsize, limit):
        self.__msgsize = msgsize
        self.__limit = limit

    def reason_notice(self):
        size = self.__msgsize
        limit = self.__limit
        return _('''Your message (or the attachment) is too big.

This list has a size limit of %(limit)d KB. Messages larger than this will
require moderator intervention before it will be forwarded to our Sales
Staff.''')

    def rejection_notice(self, mlist):
        kb = self.__limit
        return _('''Your message was too big; please trim it to less than
%(limit)d KB in size.''')

-- 

Best regards,

Charles

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 15 17:14:09 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:14:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to use regular_exclude_lists?
In-Reply-To: <20081014133041.13900.qmail@hm615.locaweb.com.br>
Message-ID: <PC187020081015081409017105bbc634@msapiro>

AlexanDER Franca wrote:
>
>Sorry for the stupid question, but... how can I use the regular_exclude_lists option?
>
>I'm looking for this option in the Mailman documentation... but it seems impossible to find.


It's a new feature in 2.1.11. It is set up and documented on the list
admin Non-digest options page.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 15 17:23:59 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:23:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: int argument required
In-Reply-To: <48F51466.7050906@Media-Brokers.com>
Message-ID: <PC187020081015082359096805bbc983@msapiro>

Charles Marcus wrote:
>
>And here's the customized block in Hold.py:
>
>(Hmmm... did something weird happen when I copy/pasted after the last
>update? Are there supposed to be dbl underscores (__) there?)


Yes, the __ are correct.


>Beginning at line 93:
>class MessageTooBig(Errors.HoldMessage):
>    def __init__(self, msgsize, limit):
>        self.__msgsize = msgsize
>        self.__limit = limit
>
>    def reason_notice(self):
>        size = self.__msgsize
>        limit = self.__limit
>        return _('''Your message (or the attachment) is too big.
>
>This list has a size limit of %(limit)d KB. Messages larger than this will
>require moderator intervention before it will be forwarded to our Sales
>Staff.''')
>
>    def rejection_notice(self, mlist):
>        kb = self.__limit
>        return _('''Your message was too big; please trim it to less than
>%(limit)d KB in size.''')


I din't know why you changed the above line, but the problem is where
you have

%(limit)d KB in size.''')

it needs to be

%(kb)d KB in size.''')

as it was in the original.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com  Wed Oct 15 12:09:35 2008
From: CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com (Charles Marcus)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:09:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: int argument required
In-Reply-To: <48F51466.7050906@Media-Brokers.com>
References: <48F51466.7050906@Media-Brokers.com>
Message-ID: <48F5C15F.8050005@Media-Brokers.com>

On 10/14/2008, Charles Marcus (CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com) wrote:
> I'm only on 2.5.2, but I think I did update fairly recently...

Umm... sorry, I had started to reply to the message about an issue with
python 2.6 because I thought it might be related (but then decided to
start a new thread), and forgot to clean this up...

I'm on python ver 2.5.2, and mailman 2.1.11...

-- 

Best regards,

Charles

From CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com  Wed Oct 15 20:07:37 2008
From: CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com (Charles Marcus)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:07:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: int argument required
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081015082359096805bbc983@msapiro>
References: <PC187020081015082359096805bbc983@msapiro>
Message-ID: <48F63169.8040908@Media-Brokers.com>

On 10/15/2008 11:23 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

<snip>

>>    def rejection_notice(self, mlist):
>>        kb = self.__limit
>>        return _('''Your message was too big; please trim it to less than
>> %(limit)d KB in size.''')

> I din't know why you changed the above line, but the problem is where
> you have
> 
> %(limit)d KB in size.''')
> 
> it needs to be
> 
> %(kb)d KB in size.''')
> 
> as it was in the original.

!? Not sure how that happened (fat fingers I guess), but as usual, Mark,
you were spot on...

Everything's working fine now, successfully unshunted the 35 messages
stuck in the shunt directory...

Thanks!

-- 

Best regards,

Charles

From david.palmer at gradwell.net  Wed Oct 15 14:37:03 2008
From: david.palmer at gradwell.net (David Duncan Ross Palmer)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:37:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAX_AUTORESPONSES_PER_DAY per list override
Message-ID: <48F5E3EF.4010303@gradwell.net>

Hi lads,

First post here.  I've had a look through the archives, however, I'm not 
immediately sure whether MAX_AUTORESPONSES_PER_DAY
can be overridden on a per list basis.  We operate a very large single 
server installation with hundreds of lists on, and one customer has
requested we up this limit for their test list, however it seems to be a 
global setting override.  Has anybody else done this?

-- 
Regards, 

David Palmer

T:01225 800 888
E: support at gradwell.net
W: www.gradwell.net

Gradwell dot com Ltd. Company Number: 3673235
Head Office: 26 Cheltenham Street, Bath BA2 3EX
Registered Address: 38 Tellcroft Close, Corsham, Wiltshire SN13 9JQ


From hendrik.maryns at uni-tuebingen.de  Wed Oct 15 13:22:53 2008
From: hendrik.maryns at uni-tuebingen.de (Hendrik Maryns)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:22:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing the default forward address for held
	messages
Message-ID: <48F5D28D.1090602@uni-tuebingen.de>

Hi,

I was wondering whether I (administrator) can change the default forward
address for held messages.  Most of the time these are spam, so I want
to forward them to submit.NwbMYM2xVUl39XPL at spam.spamcop.net.  Right now,
the list?s address is pre-filled-in there.

Cheers, H.
-- 
Hendrik Maryns
Herrenberger Stra?e 40
D-72070 T?bingen
+49707143783
http://tcl.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de/~hendrik/
=================
www.lieverleven.be     Hier kan iedereen wat van leren.



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From kmcarthu at bates.edu  Wed Oct 15 18:46:49 2008
From: kmcarthu at bates.edu (Karen R McArthur)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:46:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman "user unknown"
Message-ID: <48F61E79.1080101@bates.edu>

I'm placing mailman into production for the first time - and I have 
approximately 2500 lists.  Many of my lists work fine, but many do not. 
  On them, I receive a "user unknown" error.  An example: when send to 
the "seo" list, sendmail -bv seo at lists.bates.edu returns 
"seo at lists.bates.edu... User unknown"

I have the seo lines in aliases.mailman - and a strings on the 
aliases.mailman.db returns correct data for the list.  Some lists listed 
in aliases.mailman AFTER seo work correctly, as do some lists listed 
BEFORE it - elimination my idea of a corrupt file.

aliases.mailman was generated through "sudo -u mailman bin/genaliases -q 
 > aliases.mailman".
I have run newaliases.
I have restarted mailman.
sendmail.cf includes /etc/aliases.mailman in the ALiasFile line - and is 
working as it should since some of my lists are working.

aliases.mailman is 28,896 lines long - is that a problem?

Any ideas?

ls -ltr aliases.mailman*
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman root     1845123 Oct 15 12:37 aliases.mailman
-rw-r-----   1 root    smmsp    2646016 Oct 15 12:38 aliases.mailman.db

strings aliases.mailman.db | grep seo
"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces seo"
seo-bounces
"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm seo"
seo-confirm
"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave seo"
seo-leave
"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join seo"
seo-join
"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin seo"
seo-admin
"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner seo"
seo-owner
"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe seo"
seo-unsubscribe
"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe seo"
seo-subscribe
"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request seo"
seo-request
"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post seo"

-- 
Karen R. McArthur <kmcarthu at bates.edu>
Systems Administrator
Information and Library Services, Bates College
Lewiston, Maine 04240 USA
ph:(207)786-8236   fax:(207)786-6057

If you find that everybody else is right and you're wrong,
it might just be that you're thinking outside the box. The
world is yet to catch up.

From kmcarthu at bates.edu  Wed Oct 15 21:48:21 2008
From: kmcarthu at bates.edu (Karen R McArthur)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:48:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman "user unknown"
In-Reply-To: <48F61E79.1080101@bates.edu>
References: <48F61E79.1080101@bates.edu>
Message-ID: <48F64905.7090208@bates.edu>

As it turns out, this was not a mailman issue, but a sendmail issue. 
Sendmail is set to look up MTAAliases in our ldap database.  Once I 
changed the order of operations in the sendmail.mc 'AliasFile' directive 
to look at the local aliases.mailman file first before checking the ldap 
database, all worked as I felt it should.

Thank you.

Karen R McArthur wrote:
> I'm placing mailman into production for the first time - and I have 
> approximately 2500 lists.  Many of my lists work fine, but many do not. 
>  On them, I receive a "user unknown" error.  An example: when send to 
> the "seo" list, sendmail -bv seo at lists.bates.edu returns 
> "seo at lists.bates.edu... User unknown"
> 
> I have the seo lines in aliases.mailman - and a strings on the 
> aliases.mailman.db returns correct data for the list.  Some lists listed 
> in aliases.mailman AFTER seo work correctly, as do some lists listed 
> BEFORE it - elimination my idea of a corrupt file.
> 
> aliases.mailman was generated through "sudo -u mailman bin/genaliases -q 
>  > aliases.mailman".
> I have run newaliases.
> I have restarted mailman.
> sendmail.cf includes /etc/aliases.mailman in the ALiasFile line - and is 
> working as it should since some of my lists are working.
> 
> aliases.mailman is 28,896 lines long - is that a problem?
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> ls -ltr aliases.mailman*
> -rw-r--r--   1 mailman root     1845123 Oct 15 12:37 aliases.mailman
> -rw-r-----   1 root    smmsp    2646016 Oct 15 12:38 aliases.mailman.db
> 
> strings aliases.mailman.db | grep seo
> "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces seo"
> seo-bounces
> "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm seo"
> seo-confirm
> "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave seo"
> seo-leave
> "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join seo"
> seo-join
> "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin seo"
> seo-admin
> "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner seo"
> seo-owner
> "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe seo"
> seo-unsubscribe
> "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe seo"
> seo-subscribe
> "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request seo"
> seo-request
> "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post seo"
> 

From kmcarthu at bates.edu  Thu Oct 16 15:33:56 2008
From: kmcarthu at bates.edu (Karen R McArthur)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:33:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-to header
In-Reply-To: <48EF8181.4010507@shub-internet.org>
References: <48EF72BC.7020608@bates.edu> <48EF8181.4010507@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <48F742C4.6000900@bates.edu>

Thank you for your reply - at your recommendation I have changed the DNS 
to a full A record.  And now that mailman is our production list 
program, I have assigned it the "lists" host name: lists.bates.edu. 
However, I am still seeing the previous behavior as described.  When I 
have a list with "reply_to" set to "List", the reply_to address is 
<listname>@bates.edu and not <listname>@lists.bates.edu, as I would 
prefer.  I have attached headers from an example email.  Notice that 
neither the Sender and To fields have the host name in the address - but 
the X_BeenThere and List* fields do.

Karen R. McArthur <kmcarthu at bates.edu>
Systems Administrator
Information and Library Services, Bates College
Lewiston, Maine 04240 USA
ph:(207)786-8236   fax:(207)786-6057

If you find that everybody else is right and you're wrong,
it might just be that you're thinking outside the box. The
world is yet to catch up.

Brad Knowles wrote:
> Karen R McArthur wrote:
> 
>> My list server fqdn: mailman.bates.edu
>> I would like the reply-to to go to this fqdn 
>> (listname at mailman.bates.edu), but it gets stripped to listname at bates.edu
> 
> For one thing, mailman.bates.edu is a CNAME alias that points to 
> postoffice03.bates.edu, so all MTAs should be re-writing 
> mailman.bates.edu anyway -- but not to simply bates.edu.
> 
> If you don't want this kind of rewriting to be done, then you can't use 
> CNAME aliases in the DNS.  Give mailman.bates.edu an IP address (like 
> 134.181.130.141), and then set up reverse DNS for this IP address so 
> that mailman.bates.edu is one of the answers given.  It should be okay 
> if postoffice03.bates.edu also points directly to the same IP address 
> and the reverse DNS for that IP address also includes that name in the 
> response, but you need a full forward->reverse->forward matching for any 
> given name you're going to use.
> 
> Also, I would suggest using a service name that does not include the 
> name of the software in question.  So, lists.bates.edu instead of 
> mailman.bates.edu -- this gives you the option to change the software 
> used in the future, instead of having a case where you have Mailman 
> serving mailing lists on a machine known as listproc.bates.edu, or 
> whatever.  This is generally a good idea for pretty much all services, 
> so bugs.bates.edu instead of bugzilla.bates.edu, webmail.bates.edu 
> instead of squirrelmail.bates.edu, mail.bates.edu instead of 
> delivermail.bates.edu, www.bates.edu instead of tomcat.bates.edu, etc....
> 
>> As far as I can tell, sendmail is not rewriting my headers.  I have 
>> tested sending email through the sendmail CLI and the entire header 
>> arrives as sent.
> 
> Keep in mind that some configuration options will only be effective at 
> list creation time.  Once the list gets created, even if you go in and 
> change those options, you will only affect new lists that get created 
> and all existing lists will be unchanged.
> 
> So, make sure you're changing the right option, and that the option in 
> question for a list is something that can be changed after the list has 
> been created.
> 

From scott at jda-networks.com  Wed Oct 15 10:49:47 2008
From: scott at jda-networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:49:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3201C853F5@server.jda.local>

 
Hello,
I'm inheriting a server that has mailman setup on it, but eventually will have mailman lists for multiple domain names.  I'm having hard time figuring out what was previously done, but ultimately trying to get at least one mailman list working on one domain.  However, it's currently somewhat configured for mutliple domains.
 
At this point, I can create lists, join lists, but can't post to lists.  I can send emails to the list and don't get bounces, but nothing ever gets posted.
 
One thing I see is that the maillog shows email is getting rewritten before it can be delivered to the orig mailbox, see the relevant section of the maillog here:
 
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/smtpd[23936]: 70D3719F075E: client=mail.newarch.com[216.135.169.66]
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/cleanup[23940]: 70D3719F075E: message-id=<5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3201C853F1 at server.newarch.local <mailto:5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3201C853F1 at server.newarch.local> >
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/qmgr[23869]: 70D3719F075E: from=myemail at externaldomain.com <mailto:myemail at externaldomain.com> , size=1721, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/local[23941]: 70D3719F075E: to=<dvbrtf at collaborativepolicy.net <mailto:dvbrtf at collaborativepolicy.net> >, orig_to=<mailman_discussion2 at dvbf.org <mailto:mailman_discussion2 at dvbf.org> >, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to mailbox)
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/qmgr[23869]: 70D3719F075E: removed
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/smtpd[23936]: disconnect from mail.newarch.com[216.135.169.66]

 
I'm thinking the aliases is somehow not configured correctly, but just an idea.
 
So, can join the list fine and receive emails from the mailman server, just can't post to the list...
 
Any ideas? Thanks a ton in advance.
 
 
-BFC
 

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 16 21:06:20 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:06:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-to header
In-Reply-To: <48F742C4.6000900@bates.edu>
Message-ID: <PC18702008101612062003283f430bdc@msapiro>

Karen R McArthur wrote:

>Thank you for your reply - at your recommendation I have changed the DNS 
>to a full A record.  And now that mailman is our production list 
>program, I have assigned it the "lists" host name: lists.bates.edu. 
>However, I am still seeing the previous behavior as described.  When I 
>have a list with "reply_to" set to "List", the reply_to address is 
><listname>@bates.edu and not <listname>@lists.bates.edu, as I would 
>prefer.


As I tried to say in my prior reply (at
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-October/063632.html>,
the domain of this address is the list's host_name attribute (near the
bottom of General Options). This is set at list creation time and
subsequent changes in mm_cfg.py don't affect it. You can change
host_name on the General Options page, but for a large number of
lists, use fix_url (see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/mIA9>).


>I have attached headers from an example email.


Attachments with Content-Type other than text/plain don't make it to
the list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From kmcarthu at bates.edu  Thu Oct 16 21:15:35 2008
From: kmcarthu at bates.edu (Karen R McArthur)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:15:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-to header
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008101612062003283f430bdc@msapiro>
References: <PC18702008101612062003283f430bdc@msapiro>
Message-ID: <48F792D7.5010501@bates.edu>

My host_name *is* set to lists.bates.edu.  Following is a snip from my 
config_list -o command:

# The "host_name" is the preferred name for email to mailman-related
# addresses on this host, and generally should be the mail host's
# exchanger address, if any.  This setting can be useful for selecting
# among alternative names of a host that has multiple addresses.
host_name = 'lists.bates.edu'

And I have run fix_url - twice.

Karen.

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Karen R McArthur wrote:
> 
>> Thank you for your reply - at your recommendation I have changed the DNS 
>> to a full A record.  And now that mailman is our production list 
>> program, I have assigned it the "lists" host name: lists.bates.edu. 
>> However, I am still seeing the previous behavior as described.  When I 
>> have a list with "reply_to" set to "List", the reply_to address is 
>> <listname>@bates.edu and not <listname>@lists.bates.edu, as I would 
>> prefer.
> 
> 
> As I tried to say in my prior reply (at
> <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-October/063632.html>,
> the domain of this address is the list's host_name attribute (near the
> bottom of General Options). This is set at list creation time and
> subsequent changes in mm_cfg.py don't affect it. You can change
> host_name on the General Options page, but for a large number of
> lists, use fix_url (see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/mIA9>).
> 
> 
>> I have attached headers from an example email.
> 
> 
> Attachments with Content-Type other than text/plain don't make it to
> the list.
> 

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 16 21:20:19 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:20:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing the default forward address for
	heldmessages
In-Reply-To: <48F5D28D.1090602@uni-tuebingen.de>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810161220190031c65d6df2@msapiro>

Hendrik Maryns wrote:
>
>I was wondering whether I (administrator) can change the default forward
>address for held messages.  Most of the time these are spam, so I want
>to forward them to submit.NwbMYM2xVUl39XPL at spam.spamcop.net.  Right now,
>the list's address is pre-filled-in there.


It should be the listname-owner address, but in any case, it's hard
coded in Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py and can't be changed by list
configuration.

In any case, it's probably not a good idea to forward directly to
spamcop or other services from the admindb inderface because the
forwarded message is wrapped as a message/rfc822 part in an outer
message with Subject: Forward of moderated message and all other
headers unrelated to the original message.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 16 21:27:28 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:27:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-to header
In-Reply-To: <48F792D7.5010501@bates.edu>
Message-ID: <PC187020081016122728050087a5efd0@msapiro>

Karen R McArthur wrote:

>My host_name *is* set to lists.bates.edu.  Following is a snip from my 
>config_list -o command:
>
># The "host_name" is the preferred name for email to mailman-related
># addresses on this host, and generally should be the mail host's
># exchanger address, if any.  This setting can be useful for selecting
># among alternative names of a host that has multiple addresses.
>host_name = 'lists.bates.edu'
>
>And I have run fix_url - twice.


Then the domain is probably being rewritten by your MTA.

The DNS for lists.bates.edu looks good, but there are other reasons why
domains get rewritten. Check your MTA configuration.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 16 21:39:04 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:39:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix integration - was: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3201C853F5@server.jda.local>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810161239040390c4156f4a@msapiro>

Scott Race wrote:

>I'm inheriting a server that has mailman setup on it, but eventually will have mailman lists for multiple domain names.  I'm having hard time figuring out what was previously done, but ultimately trying to get at least one mailman list working on one domain.  However, it's currently somewhat configured for mutliple domains.
> 
>At this point, I can create lists, join lists, but can't post to lists.  I can send emails to the list and don't get bounces, but nothing ever gets posted.
> 
>One thing I see is that the maillog shows email is getting rewritten before it can be delivered to the orig mailbox, see the relevant section of the maillog here:
> 
>Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/smtpd[23936]: 70D3719F075E: client=mail.newarch.com[216.135.169.66]
>Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/cleanup[23940]: 70D3719F075E: message-id=<5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3201C853F1 at server.newarch.local <mailto:5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3201C853F1 at server.newarch.local> >
>Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/qmgr[23869]: 70D3719F075E: from=myemail at externaldomain.com <mailto:myemail at externaldomain.com> , size=1721, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
>Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/local[23941]: 70D3719F075E: to=<dvbrtf at collaborativepolicy.net <mailto:dvbrtf at collaborativepolicy.net> >, orig_to=<mailman_discussion2 at dvbf.org <mailto:mailman_discussion2 at dvbf.org> >, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to mailbox)
>Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/qmgr[23869]: 70D3719F075E: removed
>Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/smtpd[23936]: disconnect from mail.newarch.com[216.135.169.66]
>

Your MUA that turn's everything with an '@' in it into a mailto: link
is not helpful :)

> 
>I'm thinking the aliases is somehow not configured correctly, but just an idea.


Your Postfix configuration and/or your Mailman aliases are not correct.

See <http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node12.html> and
<http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node13.html> for information on
automating alias generation for Mailman/Postfix.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 16 21:52:13 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:52:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAX_AUTORESPONSES_PER_DAY per list override
In-Reply-To: <48F5E3EF.4010303@gradwell.net>
Message-ID: <PC18702008101612521305157b208c90@msapiro>

David Duncan Ross Palmer wrote:
>
>First post here.  I've had a look through the archives, however, I'm not 
>immediately sure whether MAX_AUTORESPONSES_PER_DAY
>can be overridden on a per list basis.


It can't.


>We operate a very large single 
>server installation with hundreds of lists on, and one customer has
>requested we up this limit for their test list, however it seems to be a 
>global setting override.  Has anybody else done this?


Suggest that they use more addresses for testing :)

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From faisalanif at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 17 10:01:45 2008
From: faisalanif at hotmail.com (faisal anif)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:01:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extreme Slow delivery of messages
Message-ID: <BLU144-W33C0692B0C15E07AD4FF68DF320@phx.gbl>


Hello
 
I've recently purchased a dedicated server (P4 2.4, 1 GB RAM) with Cpanel/WHM .. I created a list with cpanel but noticed that exim is extremely slow in delivering the messages to the list  although I changed the following settings in WHM:
 
The maximum each domain can send out per hour (0 is unlimited) = 0
 
Number of minutes between mail server queue runs (default is 60) = 1
 
I checked with the server's providers, there are no constraints on the outgoing messages from the server.
 
what could the problem be?
 
Thanks
 
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From hendrik.maryns at uni-tuebingen.de  Fri Oct 17 15:02:52 2008
From: hendrik.maryns at uni-tuebingen.de (Hendrik Maryns)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:02:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing the default forward address for
	heldmessages
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810161220190031c65d6df2@msapiro>
References: <PC1870200810161220190031c65d6df2@msapiro>
Message-ID: <48F88CFC.9000903@uni-tuebingen.de>

Mark Sapiro schreef:
> Hendrik Maryns wrote:
>> I was wondering whether I (administrator) can change the default forward
>> address for held messages.  Most of the time these are spam, so I want
>> to forward them to submit.NwbMYM2xVUl39XPL at spam.spamcop.net.  Right now,
>> the list's address is pre-filled-in there.
> 
> 
> It should be the listname-owner address, but in any case, it's hard
> coded in Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py and can't be changed by list
> configuration.

I suppose I should post an RFE then:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/284965

> In any case, it's probably not a good idea to forward directly to
> spamcop or other services from the admindb inderface because the
> forwarded message is wrapped as a message/rfc822 part in an outer
> message with Subject: Forward of moderated message and all other
> headers unrelated to the original message.

Oh, but I have been doing this for some time and it works fine.  Spamcop
expects the spam to be wrapped as attachments.

H.
-- 
Hendrik Maryns
Herrenberger Stra?e 40
D-72070 T?bingen
+49707143783
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From hsunorml at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 06:55:35 2008
From: hsunorml at gmail.com (HSU NORML)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:55:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't create new mail list
Message-ID: <c15d78170810162155o58a5dca8p2003e994fe43eb34@mail.gmail.com>

Running latest version of mailman with the mailman/joomla bridge on a joomla
server.
at /mailman/admin/ i click on the link to create a new mail list and i
receive a page:
Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable
to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster at hsunorml.org and inform
them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that
may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an
ErrorDocument to handle the request.
How do I get beyond this?

From kimberli_tompkins at fws.gov  Thu Oct 16 22:42:20 2008
From: kimberli_tompkins at fws.gov (Kimberli Tompkins)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:42:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MIME type application/msexcel being saved as .bin
	in attachment
Message-ID: <34F375BF388B234C96E20515CC2255AE613A6C@ifw9bct-ex3.fws.doi.net>

This a new problem for this list. It used to save the excel file in the
archives with the correct .xls extension. but now it is getting a .bin
extension. All excel MIME types have been added to the filters. All
other attachments seem to be saving correctly.

This is the message that appears in the archive just above the
attachment link

A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: Lab Contact List 09-11-08.xls
Type: application/msexcel
Size: 31232 bytes
Desc: not available

the link looks like this ( with the name of the list removed because it
is a private list)

Url :
https://www.fws.gov/lists/private/xxxxxx/attachments/20081007/c36dd4eb/a
ttachment-0001.bin
<https://www.fws.gov/lists/private/xxxxxx/attachments/20081007/c36dd4eb/
attachment-0001.bin> 

 

Thank you



Kimberli Tompkins

Web Services

Branch of Communication Technology

U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service

Lakewood Colorado

(303) 275.2372

 


From pchoppin at comcast.net  Fri Oct 17 00:37:26 2008
From: pchoppin at comcast.net (Pete%20Choppin)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:37:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto add footers
Message-ID: <444790877.417581224196646471.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi 
I am running a mailman list server at our company and for legal reasons we need a footer or disclaimer to be automatically appended to any message going out from the server. I looked on the documentation and in the FAQs and did not see any method to add footers to messages. Is this possible and if so, can you point me in the direction where I might find the instructions to do this? 

Thank you for your time, 


-- 
Pete 


From scott at jda-networks.com  Thu Oct 16 20:45:40 2008
From: scott at jda-networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:45:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3201C853F5@server.jda.local>
References: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3201C853F5@server.jda.local>
Message-ID: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202AD8411@server.jda.local>

Well, I actually just figured this out.  I set Postfix back to work for
just a single domain, reinstalled mailman and now it's working
correctly. I'll just need to do the advanced config for the multiple
domains.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+webaccount=jdaarch.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+webaccount=jdaarch.com at python.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Race
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:50 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

 
Hello,
I'm inheriting a server that has mailman setup on it, but eventually
will have mailman lists for multiple domain names.  I'm having hard time
figuring out what was previously done, but ultimately trying to get at
least one mailman list working on one domain.  However, it's currently
somewhat configured for mutliple domains.
 
At this point, I can create lists, join lists, but can't post to lists.
I can send emails to the list and don't get bounces, but nothing ever
gets posted.
 
One thing I see is that the maillog shows email is getting rewritten
before it can be delivered to the orig mailbox, see the relevant section
of the maillog here:
 
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/smtpd[23936]: 70D3719F075E:
client=mail.newarch.com[216.135.169.66]
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/cleanup[23940]: 70D3719F075E:
message-id=<5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3201C853F1 at server.newarch.loca
l <mailto:5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3201C853F1 at server.newarch.local>
>
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/qmgr[23869]: 70D3719F075E:
from=myemail at externaldomain.com <mailto:myemail at externaldomain.com> ,
size=1721, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/local[23941]: 70D3719F075E:
to=<dvbrtf at collaborativepolicy.net
<mailto:dvbrtf at collaborativepolicy.net> >,
orig_to=<mailman_discussion2 at dvbf.org
<mailto:mailman_discussion2 at dvbf.org> >, relay=local, delay=0,
status=sent (delivered to mailbox)
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/qmgr[23869]: 70D3719F075E: removed
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/smtpd[23936]: disconnect from
mail.newarch.com[216.135.169.66]

 
I'm thinking the aliases is somehow not configured correctly, but just
an idea.
 
So, can join the list fine and receive emails from the mailman server,
just can't post to the list...
 
Any ideas? Thanks a ton in advance.
 
 
-BFC
 
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From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 17 20:37:09 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:37:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extreme Slow delivery of messages
In-Reply-To: <BLU144-W33C0692B0C15E07AD4FF68DF320@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810171137090140c25f6e55@msapiro>

faisal anif wrote:
> 
>I've recently purchased a dedicated server (P4 2.4, 1 GB RAM) with Cpanel/WHM .. I created a list with cpanel but noticed that exim is extremely slow in delivering the messages to the list  although I changed the following settings in WHM:
> 
>The maximum each domain can send out per hour (0 is unlimited) = 0
> 
>Number of minutes between mail server queue runs (default is 60) = 1
> 
>I checked with the server's providers, there are no constraints on the outgoing messages from the server.
> 
>what could the problem be?


Question 1 - is the delay in SMTP from Mailman to exim or is the delay
between exim and the remote MTA's?

Look in mailman's smtp log for messages like

Oct 17 09:47:08 2008 (30746)
<973585.76882.qm at web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> smtp to gpc-website for
23 recips, completed in 0.396 seconds

The above is a VERP'd delivery, so it represents 23 separate SMTP
transactions in 0.396 seconds. If your delivery is an order of
magnitude or more slower than this, see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/doA9>.

If the delay is between exim and the remote MTA's, this is an exim
question, not a Mailman one, but the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/qoA9> may help.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 17 20:41:04 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:41:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't create new mail list
In-Reply-To: <c15d78170810162155o58a5dca8p2003e994fe43eb34@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810171141040031c25f6de3@msapiro>

HSU NORML wrote:

>Running latest version of mailman with the mailman/joomla bridge on a joomla
>server.
>at /mailman/admin/ i click on the link to create a new mail list and i
>receive a page:
>Internal Server Error
>
>The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable
>to complete your request.
>
>Please contact the server administrator, webmaster at hsunorml.org and inform
>them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that
>may have caused the error.
>
>More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
>
>Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an
>ErrorDocument to handle the request.
>How do I get beyond this?


This error comes from your web server (apache ?). Look in the web
server's error log (/var/log/httpd/error_log ?) for more detail about
the specific problem.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 17 21:05:09 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:05:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MIME type application/msexcel being saved as
	.binin attachment
In-Reply-To: <34F375BF388B234C96E20515CC2255AE613A6C@ifw9bct-ex3.fws.doi.net>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810171205090750c25f70b7@msapiro>

Kimberli Tompkins wrote:
>
>This is the message that appears in the archive just above the
>attachment link
>
>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
>Name: Lab Contact List 09-11-08.xls
>Type: application/msexcel
>Size: 31232 bytes
>Desc: not available


application/msexcel is not a registered mime type
(<http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/>). Thus,
the python function mimetypes.guess_all_extensions() does not know
what extension to assign to it and we default it to .bin.

The underlying problem is the MUA that generated the message is not
assigning the proper registered mime type application/vnd.ms-excel to
the attachment.

There are a few things you can do about it.

1) Use an MUA the gives .xls attachments the proper mime type, or

2) set

SCRUBBER_USE_ATTACHMENT_FILENAME_EXTENSION = True

in mm_cfg.py so Scrubber will use the extension from the file name
instead of one based on the mime type and restart Mailman, or

3) add the line

application/msexcel   xls

to one of the following files

    "/etc/mime.types",
    "/etc/httpd/mime.types",                    # Mac OS X
    "/etc/httpd/conf/mime.types",               # Apache
    "/etc/apache/mime.types",                   # Apache 1
    "/etc/apache2/mime.types",                  # Apache 2
    "/usr/local/etc/httpd/conf/mime.types",
    "/usr/local/lib/netscape/mime.types",
    "/usr/local/etc/httpd/conf/mime.types",     # Apache 1.2
    "/usr/local/etc/mime.types",                # Apache 1.3

and restart Mailman.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 17 21:14:10 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:14:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto add footers
In-Reply-To: <444790877.417581224196646471.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810171214100656c25f705a@msapiro>

Pete Choppin wrote:

>I am running a mailman list server at our company and for legal reasons we need a footer or disclaimer to be automatically appended to any message going out from the server. I looked on the documentation and in the FAQs and did not see any method to add footers to messages. Is this possible and if so, can you point me in the direction where I might find the instructions to do this? 


See the settings msg_footer and digest_footer on the admin Non-digest
options and Digest options pages respectively. You can also set
defaults for these for new lists by setting DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER and
DEFAULT_DIGEST_FOOTER respectively in mm_cfg.py.

Finally, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9> for some possible
issues with footers and HTML and mime multipart messages.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Sat Oct 18 14:15:57 2008
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:15:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Migrating Mailman to New Server
Message-ID: <48F9D37D.7000601@bellsouth.net>

I am installing a replacement server and am having trouble migrating
Mailman. The installation works but none of my lists show up when I use
the browser interface. However, when I run 'list_lists' from the command
line they are there. Is this a config issue with just the HTML interface
or is there something else fundamentally wrong?

I thought I just needed to do a simple copy of the /var/lib/mailman
directory to the new server but perhaps there is more to it then that.

TIA.

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From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 18 16:24:44 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:24:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Migrating Mailman to New Server
In-Reply-To: <48F9D37D.7000601@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810180724440234317d1896@msapiro>

Dennis Putnam wrote:
>
>I am installing a replacement server and am having trouble migrating
>Mailman. The installation works but none of my lists show up when I use
>the browser interface. However, when I run 'list_lists' from the command
>line they are there. Is this a config issue with just the HTML interface
>or is there something else fundamentally wrong?


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/lYA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From scott at jda-networks.com  Sat Oct 18 02:26:16 2008
From: scott at jda-networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:26:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases vs. /etc/mailman/aliases
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810171141040031c25f6de3@msapiro>
References: <c15d78170810162155o58a5dca8p2003e994fe43eb34@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1870200810171141040031c25f6de3@msapiro>
Message-ID: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202AD84F4@server.jda.local>

I am configuring mailman on a Red Hat Enterprise server, single domain
(for now).  I've gone through some different configs, finally almost
have it working.

When I create a new list, it updates the /etc/mailman/aliases file and
updates it.

/etc/mailman:
-rw-rw-rw-  1 root mailman  6040 Oct 17 18:44 aliases
-rw-rw-rw-  1 root mailman 12288 Oct 17 19:01 aliases.db

Problem is, postfix seems to be using /etc/aliases for the aliases file.
If I add my mailman entries in /etc/aliases, email works.  

How can I tell Postfix to also check the /etc/mailman/aliases file, or
is it better to tell mailman to write to the /etc/aliases file?  Seems
like I'd rather keep my malman aliases in /etc/mailman/aliases.

Thanks!
Scott

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 18 19:51:46 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:51:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases vs. /etc/mailman/aliases
In-Reply-To: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202AD84F4@server.jda.local>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810181051460328317d18f6@msapiro>

Scott Race wrote:
>
>How can I tell Postfix to also check the /etc/mailman/aliases file, or
>is it better to tell mailman to write to the /etc/aliases file?  Seems
>like I'd rather keep my malman aliases in /etc/mailman/aliases.


This is really a RedHat package question (i.e. why doesn't RedHat's
package update Postfix main.cf?), but ...

It is better to keep your Mailman aliases separate. Otherwise, you will
run into permissions issues and also, Mailman doesn't really know
about 'other' aliases in /etc/aliases and various Mailman events can
lose some or all of them.

You probably have something like

alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases

in your Postfix main.cf. Possibly other files are listed too. You need
to add "hash:/etc/mailman/aliases" to the list, e.g.

alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases

and reload postfix.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From steiny at infopoint.com  Sat Oct 18 22:56:40 2008
From: steiny at infopoint.com (Don Steiny)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:56:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help - Mailman programs all do "Memory Fault' on
 Linux, here's what I tried to fix it
Message-ID: <48FA4D88.3010108@infopoint.com>

Hi,

    I am  on Debian 2.6.8.  I used apt-get to update Python to 2-4 and
the latest version of mailman.  I used one archive in sources.list;

deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free

    When I attempt to start it I get this message:

#
# /etc/init.d/mailman start
* Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing.
* Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start.

    Searching around the web I found I needed to create a list mailman
(though I have not figured out why it was not seeing my existing lists,
that is for later) I got this;
# newlist mailman
Memory fault

I thought the problem might be with the debian mailmail I went to
sourceforge and downloaded and installed 2.1.11 and nothing changed. I
though the problem might be with Python, I downlaoded and installed
Python 2.6 and there were changes in that when I tried to install
mailman I got this:
Compiling /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ...
Compiling /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
bin/update:37: DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use
hashlib instead
  import md5
/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py:32: DeprecationWarning: the sha module
is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead
  import sha
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 51, in <module>
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 51, in <module>
    from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in <module>
    from Archiver import *
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 32, in <module>
    from Mailman import Mailbox
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 21, in <module>
    import mailbox
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/mailbox.py", line 19, in <module>
    import email.message
ImportError: No module named message
make: *** [update] Error 1

I copied over the 2.4 mailbox.py file to 2.6 and then I could compile
everything with the sha and md5 warnings, which are supposedly no big
deal, and I got one tiny change:

/usr/sbin/newlist:96: DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated;
use the hashlib module instead
  import sha
Memory fault

What should I do next?  Help!

-Don



From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 18 23:46:35 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:46:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help - Mailman programs all do "Memory Fault'
	onLinux, here's what I tried to fix it
In-Reply-To: <48FA4D88.3010108@infopoint.com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008101814463504534f8f1fa8@msapiro>

Don Steiny wrote:
>
>    I am  on Debian 2.6.8.  I used apt-get to update Python to 2-4 and
>the latest version of mailman.  I used one archive in sources.list;
>
>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
>
>    When I attempt to start it I get this message:
>
>#
># /etc/init.d/mailman start
>* Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing.
>* Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start.


This is a Debian package issue. Somehow your update of Mailman and
Python has lost your prior Mailman installation.


>    Searching around the web I found I needed to create a list mailman
>(though I have not figured out why it was not seeing my existing lists,
>that is for later)


Assuming your prior Mailman was 2.1.x, you already had a mailman list;
it was lost with the others:


>I got this;
># newlist mailman
>Memory fault
>
>I thought the problem might be with the debian mailmail I went to
>sourceforge and downloaded and installed 2.1.11 and nothing changed. I
>though the problem might be with Python, I downlaoded and installed
>Python 2.6 and there were changes in that when I tried to install
>mailman I got this:


Mailman 2.1.11 is not compatible with Python 2.6. Python 2.4 (if
properly installed) should be fine; also 2.5.


>Compiling /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ...
>Compiling /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
>bin/update:37: DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use
>hashlib instead
>  import md5
>/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py:32: DeprecationWarning: the sha module
>is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead
>  import sha
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "bin/update", line 51, in <module>
>    from Mailman import MailList
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 51, in <module>
>    from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in <module>
>    from Archiver import *
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 32, in <module>
>    from Mailman import Mailbox
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 21, in <module>
>    import mailbox
>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/mailbox.py", line 19, in <module>
>    import email.message
>ImportError: No module named message
>make: *** [update] Error 1


This is one of the Python 2.6 incompatibilities.


>I copied over the 2.4 mailbox.py file to 2.6 and then I could compile
>everything with the sha and md5 warnings, which are supposedly no big
>deal, and I got one tiny change:
>
>/usr/sbin/newlist:96: DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated;
>use the hashlib module instead
>  import sha
>Memory fault
>
>What should I do next?  Help!


Make sure you have good backups of your Mailman lists/ and
archives/private/ directories at a minimum.

Make sure you have a working Python installation no older than 2.4.x
and no newer than 2.5.x.

Configure Mailman 2.1.11 with the appropriate prefix, var-prefix, etc
to match your existing installation and make install.


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From andrew at hodgsonfamily.org  Sat Oct 18 23:57:05 2008
From: andrew at hodgsonfamily.org (Andrew Hodgson)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help - Mailman programs all do "Memory Fault'
	on Linux, here's what I tried to fix it
In-Reply-To: <48FA4D88.3010108@infopoint.com>
References: <48FA4D88.3010108@infopoint.com>
Message-ID: <FE4F9D11AF6A6744AA0CE43248CEC0D80D8AF6@elrond.hodgsonfamily.org>

Don Steiny wrote:

>Hi,

>    I am  on Debian 2.6.8.  I used apt-get to update Python to 2-4 and
>the latest version of mailman.  I used one archive in sources.list;

>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free

Hi,

A couple of things here...

Is that the Debian kernel you are using which is at 2.6.8, that is the
kernel that ships with Sarge (the previous Debian release).  We are now
on Etch, which is the stable release, so using that version is highly
advised.

Is this an upgrade of Mailman from the Debian Sarge mailman package
(which, if I remember correctly was at 2.1.5) or some other Mailman you
installed from source?  This is important as the Debian package looks
for things in different places than the default installation from
source.

Have you upgraded the whole Debian system to stable (Etch), or just the
Mailman packages?

We really need more background to this.

Andrew.

From fahadsaeed11 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 19 03:39:37 2008
From: fahadsaeed11 at hotmail.com (Fahad Saeed)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 20:39:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found
Message-ID: <BLU110-W56B2DB9A72FF984F23F9A1D32C0@phx.gbl>


Hello All,



I am trying to install mailman on my server.I followed this tutorial:



http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/Lin...alMailman.html



After following all the steps, mailman seeems to be working as well as
the webpage for the list. If I subscribe to the list, I get an email in
my email inbox(hotmail, yahoo etc) for confirmation of the membership
etc.



But there are two problems that I would like to discuss and your input would be appreciable



1)If I email from one of my email box(subscribed to the list), the email is not forwarded to any of the members.



2) I keep getting the following email in my administrator email box:




	Code:
	As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

    List:    Mailman at mydomain
    From:    root at mydomain
    Subject: Cron <mailman at mia> mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
    Reason:  Post by non-member to a members-only list

At your convenience, visit:

    http://mydomain/mailman/admindb/mailman
        
to approve or deny the request.
If I allow, "root" to be subscibed to the list, I get the email to all the recipients of the list, with the message:




	Code:
	[Mailman] Cron <mailman at mia> mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news?
From: 	mailman-bounces at mydomain on behalf of Cron Daemon (root at mydomain)

/bin/sh: mailman: command not found
Any pointers would be appreciable.If any logs are required to get a clearer picture please let me know 
_________________________________________________________________
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http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008

From faisalanif at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 19 00:10:13 2008
From: faisalanif at hotmail.com (faisal anif)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:10:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extreme Slow delivery of messages
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810171137090140c25f6e55@msapiro>
References: <BLU144-W33C0692B0C15E07AD4FF68DF320@phx.gbl>
	<PC1870200810171137090140c25f6e55@msapiro>
Message-ID: <BLU144-W10776800655A49885E863DDF2D0@phx.gbl>


I've created the list using Cpanel .. shouldn't these settings between mailman and exim be configured with Cpanel already ??
 
Thanks..
 
> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:37:09 -0700> From: mark at msapiro.net> To: faisalanif at hotmail.com; mailman-users at python.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Extreme Slow delivery of messages> > faisal anif wrote:> > > >I've recently purchased a dedicated server (P4 2.4, 1 GB RAM) with Cpanel/WHM .. I created a list with cpanel but noticed that exim is extremely slow in delivering the messages to the list although I changed the following settings in WHM:> > > >The maximum each domain can send out per hour (0 is unlimited) = 0> > > >Number of minutes between mail server queue runs (default is 60) = 1> > > >I checked with the server's providers, there are no constraints on the outgoing messages from the server.> > > >what could the problem be?> > > Question 1 - is the delay in SMTP from Mailman to exim or is the delay> between exim and the remote MTA's?> > Look in mailman's smtp log for messages like> > Oct 17 09:47:08 2008 (30746)> <973585.76882.qm at web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> smtp to gpc-website for> 23 recips, completed in 0.396 seconds> > The above is a VERP'd delivery, so it represents 23 separate SMTP> transactions in 0.396 seconds. If your delivery is an order of> magnitude or more slower than this, see the FAQ at> <http://wiki.list.org/x/doA9>.> > If the delay is between exim and the remote MTA's, this is an exim> question, not a Mailman one, but the FAQ at> <http://wiki.list.org/x/qoA9> may help.> > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan> 
_________________________________________________________________
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From scott at jda-networks.com  Sat Oct 18 20:09:00 2008
From: scott at jda-networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:09:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases vs. /etc/mailman/aliases
Message-ID: <01a201c9314c$93e67993$6300a8c0@jda.local>

Worked perfect.  Thank you!!

scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 10:52 AM
To: Scott Race <scott at jda-networks.com>; mailman-users at python.org <mailman-users at python.org>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases vs. /etc/mailman/aliases

Scott Race wrote:
>
>How can I tell Postfix to also check the /etc/mailman/aliases file, or
>is it better to tell mailman to write to the /etc/aliases file?  Seems
>like I'd rather keep my malman aliases in /etc/mailman/aliases.


This is really a RedHat package question (i.e. why doesn't RedHat's
package update Postfix main.cf?), but ...

It is better to keep your Mailman aliases separate. Otherwise, you will
run into permissions issues and also, Mailman doesn't really know
about 'other' aliases in /etc/aliases and various Mailman events can
lose some or all of them.

You probably have something like

alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases

in your Postfix main.cf. Possibly other files are listed too. You need
to add "hash:/etc/mailman/aliases" to the list, e.g.

alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases

and reload postfix.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From fil at rezo.net  Sun Oct 19 12:15:03 2008
From: fil at rezo.net (Fil)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:15:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found
In-Reply-To: <BLU110-W56B2DB9A72FF984F23F9A1D32C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU110-W56B2DB9A72FF984F23F9A1D32C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <bfc33ad70810190315i727c052fy9d914f23f10a1301@mail.gmail.com>

There are two formats for CRON files:

1) in /etc/cron.d/
* * * * *  USER   COMMAND

2) in the user's crontab
* * * * *  COMMAND

from your message maybe you are using the cron.d format in a user crontab

-- Fil

From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 19 15:30:10 2008
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:30:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Migrating Mailman to New Server
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810180724440234317d1896@msapiro>
References: <PC1870200810180724440234317d1896@msapiro>
Message-ID: <48FB3662.9020207@bellsouth.net>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Dennis Putnam wrote:
>   
>> I am installing a replacement server and am having trouble migrating
>> Mailman. The installation works but none of my lists show up when I use
>> the browser interface. However, when I run 'list_lists' from the command
>> line they are there. Is this a config issue with just the HTML interface
>> or is there something else fundamentally wrong?
>>     
>
>
> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/lYA9>.
>   
Thanks for the reply but I've already been there. That does not seem to
be my problem. All the config files were copied from the working server
as is (the mm_cfg.py file is correct). The new server has exactly the
same hostname and IP address. The only (intentional) difference, other
then the hardware, is the underlying OS (Mandriva Free 2007 Spring
replacing Mandriva 2007). I suppose it is possible that this version of
Mandriva put the Mailman files someplace different then the previous
version (why it doesn't follow the standard is beyond me) but so far I
have not found any other location with config files. I think Mailman
needs a command that lists all the file paths it is using.

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From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct 19 16:33:03 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 07:33:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extreme Slow delivery of messages
In-Reply-To: <BLU144-W10776800655A49885E863DDF2D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810190733030921e88837dc@msapiro>

faisal anif erote:
>
>I've created the list using Cpanel .. shouldn't these settings between mailman and exim be configured with Cpanel already ??


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9>. We have no idea what
cPanel does or doesn't do.


>>Question 1 - is the delay in SMTP from Mailman to exim or is the delay> between exim and the remote MTA's?> > Look in mailman's smtp log for messages like> > Oct 17 09:47:08 2008 (30746)> <973585.76882.qm at web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> smtp to g
> pc-website for> 23 recips, completed in 0.396 seconds> > The above is a VERP'd delivery, so it represents 23 separate SMTP> transactions in 0.396 seconds. If your delivery is an order of> magnitude or more slower than this, see the FAQ at> <http://wiki.list.org/x/doA9>.> > If the delay is between exim and the remote MTA's, this is an exim> question, not a Mailman one, but the FAQ at> <http://wiki.list.org/x/qoA9> may help.


If you want further help from this list, please confirm that SMTP
delivery from Mailman to exim is the issue and post some Mailman smtp
log entries that show that.

If the delay is outbound from exim, you'd probably be better off
pursuing this on an exim list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct 19 16:47:06 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 07:47:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found
In-Reply-To: <BLU110-W56B2DB9A72FF984F23F9A1D32C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810190747060781e62b45d3@msapiro>

Fahad Saeed wrote:
>
>I am trying to install mailman on my server.I followed this tutorial:
>
>
>
>http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/Lin...alMailman.html


I am guessing you mean
<http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialMailman.html>



>After following all the steps, mailman seeems to be working as well as
>the webpage for the list. If I subscribe to the list, I get an email in
>my email inbox(hotmail, yahoo etc) for confirmation of the membership
>etc.


It is best to follow the instructions for the specific software package
you are installing rather than generic instructions that may not apply
to the specific RPM or other package you are installing.


>But there are two problems that I would like to discuss and your input would be appreciable
>
>
>
>1)If I email from one of my email box(subscribed to the list), the email is not forwarded to any of the members.


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9>. However, from the
information below, at least your 'mailman' site list seems to be
working as it should.



>2) I keep getting the following email in my administrator email box:
>
>
>
>
>	Code:
>	As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
>following mailing list posting:
>
>    List:    Mailman at mydomain
>    From:    root at mydomain
>    Subject: Cron <mailman at mia> mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
>    Reason:  Post by non-member to a members-only list
>
>At your convenience, visit:
>
>    http://mydomain/mailman/admindb/mailman
>        
>to approve or deny the request.
>If I allow, "root" to be subscibed to the list, I get the email to all the recipients of the list, with the message:
>
>
>
>
>	Code:
>	[Mailman] Cron <mailman at mia> mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news?
>From: 	mailman-bounces at mydomain on behalf of Cron Daemon (root at mydomain)
>
>/bin/sh: mailman: command not found
>Any pointers would be appreciable.If any logs are required to get a clearer picture please let me know 


This is where you get in trouble by following instructions not
appropriate for your package. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/AIE9>.


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct 19 17:03:22 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:03:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Migrating Mailman to New Server
In-Reply-To: <48FB3662.9020207@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810190803220187b0942a91@msapiro>

Dennis Putnam wrote:
>
>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>  
>>> I am installing a replacement server and am having trouble migrating
>>> Mailman. The installation works but none of my lists show up when I use
>>> the browser interface. However, when I run 'list_lists' from the command
>>> line they are there. Is this a config issue with just the HTML interface
>>> or is there something else fundamentally wrong?
>>>
>>
>>
>> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/lYA9>.
>>  
>Thanks for the reply but I've already been there. That does not seem to
>be my problem. All the config files were copied from the working server
>as is (the mm_cfg.py file is correct). The new server has exactly the
>same hostname and IP address. The only (intentional) difference, other
>then the hardware, is the underlying OS (Mandriva Free 2007 Spring
>replacing Mandriva 2007). I suppose it is possible that this version of
>Mandriva put the Mailman files someplace different then the previous
>version (why it doesn't follow the standard is beyond me) but so far I
>have not found any other location with config files. I think Mailman
>needs a command that lists all the file paths it is using.

  grep PREFIX Mailman/Defaults.py

You said bin/list_lists shows the lists, so presumably they are where
they should be unless the web server is pointing at CGI wrappers from
a different installation.

Have you checked where the scriptalias in the web server points?

Can you go successfully go to a
http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo/listname page for a known
listname even though it doesn't appear on the overview. If not, I
think your web server is pointing at the wrong place.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct 19 18:02:47 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:02:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Migrating Mailman to New Server
In-Reply-To: <48FB5178.4080809@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810190902470000ae0035af@msapiro>

Dennis Putnam wrote:
>
>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> Can you go successfully go to a
>> http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo/listname page for a known
>> listname even though it doesn't appear on the overview. If not, I
>> think your web server is pointing at the wrong place.
>> 
>OK, now we are making progress. Thanks. I can indeed see the list if I
>supply the list name in the link like you suggested. I guess that means
>the scriptalias is correct so the question now becomes, why do they not
>show up on the admin or listinfo links? Does this also mean if I start
>mailman it will work in spite of the incorrect web interface?


Yes, Mailman will probably work if you start it as long as aliases or
whatever is required for mail delivery to the list are in place.

As far as lists missing from the listinfo overview, we are back to the
FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/lYA9>.

Assuming the lists are public (Privacy options... -> advertised = Yes),
the list doesn't appear on the overview because

VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = On

(the default), and the host portion of the list's web_page_url
attribute does not exactly match the host portion of the URL used to
access the page.

Perhaps you had

VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off

in mm_cfg.py on the old server and didn't carry it over. Or, perhaps
you changed it in Defaults.py on the old server; if so, this is why
you shouldn't do that.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct 19 22:25:14 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:25:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found
In-Reply-To: <BLU110-W288FE7FE01D4BB20A947A5D32C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810191325140984b156e0e6@msapiro>

Fahad Saeed wrote:
>
>Thankyou Guys.It seems that my web interface is working fine for mailman as mark said.I tried to change the cron config files that were suggested, but it seems that I am still missing something.I am not getting the same email as the administrator, but none of the subscribed users are getting any emails.Below are the cron files in the system.Suggestions would be highly appreciable.
>This is the crontab.in that I changed as suggested by the faq.
>
>##############################################
>0 8 * * * /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs
>#
># At 9AM, send notifications to disabled members that are due to be
># reminded to re-enable their accounts.
>0 9 * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
>#
># Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery.
>0 12 * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests
>#
># 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
>0 5 1 * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
>#
># Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
># if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
># or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
>0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
>#
># At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
># turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
># GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
>27 3 * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
>############################################################
>
>and this is what is in  /etc/cron.d/mailman
>
>###################################################################
># At 8AM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests.
># They are less likely to ignore these reminders if they're mailed
># early in the morning, but of course, this is local time... ;)
>0 8 * * * /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs
>#
># At 9AM, send notifications to disabled members that are due to be
># reminded to re-enable their accounts.
>0 9 * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
>#
># Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery.
>0 12 * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests
>#
># 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
>0 5 1 * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
>#
># Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
># if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
># or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
>0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
>#
># At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
># turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
># GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
>27 3 * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
>~
>
>
>##################################################################


You don't want two crontabs. You want only one.

You either want one like either of the above as user mailman's crontab
in /var/spool/cron/mailman (this is the one manipulated by the
"crontab -u mailman" command), or you want one like you originally had
in /etc/cron.d/mailman.

You broke the /etc/cron.d/mailman crontab by removing the 'mailman'
from the sixth field of the commands.

I suggest you remove the /var/spool/cron/mailman crontab, either
directly or with the command "crontab -u mailman -r", and put the
/etc/cron.d/mailman crontab that your RPM installed back the way it
was originally with command lines like

27 3 * * * mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip

This way, when you upgrade your package, you won't wind up with two
crontabs again.

None of this ever had anything to do with your users not receiving
mail. That is a separate issue. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9> for troubleshooting.

However, your 'mailman' site list was properly delivering mail to it's
members when your cron error messages were being mailed to it, so the
non-delivery problem is probably specific to the list that isn't
working.

Go through the troubleshooting FAQ, and if you can't figure it out, at
least report what you find.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From submit at zuka.net  Sun Oct 19 22:04:18 2008
From: submit at zuka.net (Dave Filchak)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:04:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding users to MailWatch
Message-ID: <48FB92C2.9010305@zuka.net>

Why is it that when you add a domain administrator for a particular 
domain, you get the following error when they try to look at or add to 
the white or black lists:

Username is not in the correct format to use this utility.

For instance, I gave him the username of: domainuser with a password 
(not his actual email password). This allows him to log into MailWatch 
and see the mail and quarantines for his domain. However, he gets the 
error noted above when he tries to access the lists. If I change his 
username to domainuser at hisdomain.com, it allows him to access the lists 
but retrieves no rows from the database, even though there is mail 
quarantined. The other weird thing is that, even though he can access 
the lists, the format is wrong i.e. @domainuser at hisdomain.com rather 
than @hisdomain.com.

What am I missing?

Dave

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct 19 22:40:54 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:40:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding users to MailWatch
In-Reply-To: <48FB92C2.9010305@zuka.net>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810191340540921317d1b4f@msapiro>

Dave Filchak wrote:

>Why is it that when you add a domain administrator for a particular 
>domain, you get the following error when they try to look at or add to 
>the white or black lists:
>
>Username is not in the correct format to use this utility.
>
<snip>
>
>What am I missing?


The address of the correct list to which to post this question?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From submit at zuka.net  Sun Oct 19 22:43:03 2008
From: submit at zuka.net (Dave Filchak)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:43:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding users to MailWatch
In-Reply-To: <48FB92C2.9010305@zuka.net>
References: <48FB92C2.9010305@zuka.net>
Message-ID: <48FB9BD7.9090104@zuka.net>

Sorry ... obviously I should watch which list I am posting to. Obviously 
... this was sent to the wrong list. Sorry for the noise.

Dave

Dave Filchak wrote:
> <div class="moz-text-flowed" style="font-family: -moz-fixed">Why is it 
> that when you add a domain administrator for a particular domain, you 
> get the following error when they try to look at or add to the white 
> or black lists:
>
> Username is not in the correct format to use this utility.
>
> For instance, I gave him the username of: domainuser with a password 
> (not his actual email password). This allows him to log into MailWatch 
> and see the mail and quarantines for his domain. However, he gets the 
> error noted above when he tries to access the lists. If I change his 
> username to domainuser at hisdomain.com, it allows him to access the 
> lists but retrieves no rows from the database, even though there is 
> mail quarantined. The other weird thing is that, even though he can 
> access the lists, the format is wrong i.e. @domainuser at hisdomain.com 
> rather than @hisdomain.com.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Dave
>
> </div>


From steiny at infopoint.com  Sun Oct 19 22:38:34 2008
From: steiny at infopoint.com (Don Steiny)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:38:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help - Mailman programs all do "Memory Fault' on
 Linux, here's what I tried to fix it
Message-ID: <48FB9ACA.8000201@infopoint.com>

Hi,

    I am  on Debian 2.6.8.  I used apt-get to update Python to 2-4 and
the latest version of mailman.  I used one archive in sources.list;

deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free

    When I attempt to start it I get this message:

#
# /etc/init.d/mailman start
* Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing.
* Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start.

    Searching around the web I found I needed to create a list mailman
(though I have not figured out why it was not seeing my existing lists,
that is for later) I got this;
# newlist mailman
Memory fault

I thought the problem might be with the debian mailmail I went to
sourceforge and downloaded and installed 2.1.11 and nothing changed. I
though the problem might be with Python, I downlaoded and installed
Python 2.6 and there were changes in that when I tried to install
mailman I got this:
Compiling /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ...
Compiling /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
bin/update:37: DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use
hashlib instead
  import md5
/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py:32: DeprecationWarning: the sha module
is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead
  import sha
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 51, in <module>
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 51, in <module>
    from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in <module>
    from Archiver import *
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 32, in <module>
    from Mailman import Mailbox
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 21, in <module>
    import mailbox
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/mailbox.py", line 19, in <module>
    import email.message
ImportError: No module named message
make: *** [update] Error 1

I copied over the 2.4 mailbox.py file to 2.6 and then I could compile
everything with the sha and md5 warnings, which are supposedly no big
deal, and I got one tiny change:

/usr/sbin/newlist:96: DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated;
use the hashlib module instead
  import sha
Memory fault

What should I do next?  Help!

-Don




From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct 19 23:15:43 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:15:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help - Mailman programs all do "Memory Fault'
	onLinux, here's what I tried to fix it
In-Reply-To: <48FB9ACA.8000201@infopoint.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810191415430906317d1b35@msapiro>

Don Steiny wrote:
>
<snip>
>
>What should I do next?  Help!


Go to the list archive at
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-October/thread.html>
and read the two replies to your identical post from yesterday.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 20 17:05:01 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:05:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extreme Slow delivery of messages
In-Reply-To: <BLU144-W955C78F71FBA78E55586BDF2F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102008050102039337844c@msapiro>

faisal anif wrote:
>
>here's the SMTP log:
>
>for 49194 recips, completed in 49.745 seconds
>is this a good thing? do I have to change anything in mailman?


Mailman has completed delivery to exim of the message for the 49194
recipients in under a minute at a rate of about 100 recipients per
second. That seems reasonable and certainly wouldn't result by itself
in significant delay to the recipients.

So the question now is when was this log entry written relative to when
the post was sent. If the entry was written within a minute or two of
the post's being sent (or approved), there were no significant delays
in Mailman and you need to look to exim and beyond.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From manlio_perillo at libero.it  Mon Oct 20 17:03:05 2008
From: manlio_perillo at libero.it (Manlio Perillo)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:03:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting a big message queue
Message-ID: <48FC9DA9.3060902@libero.it>

Hi.

I have a very big message queue for a mailing list.
The queue is so big that the web page
http://lists.xxx/mailman/admindb/yyy

takes to long that the server times out.


How can I delete the message queue using mailman internal API?


Thanks   Manlio Perillo


From fahadsaeed11 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 19 21:55:47 2008
From: fahadsaeed11 at hotmail.com (Fahad Saeed)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:55:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810190747060781e62b45d3@msapiro>
References: <BLU110-W56B2DB9A72FF984F23F9A1D32C0@phx.gbl>
	<PC1870200810190747060781e62b45d3@msapiro>
Message-ID: <BLU110-W288FE7FE01D4BB20A947A5D32C0@phx.gbl>



Thankyou Guys.It seems that my web interface is working fine for mailman as mark said.I tried to change the cron config files that were suggested, but it seems that I am still missing something.I am not getting the same email as the administrator, but none of the subscribed users are getting any emails.Below are the cron files in the system.Suggestions would be highly appreciable.
This is the crontab.in that I changed as suggested by the faq.

##############################################
0 8 * * * /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs
#
# At 9AM, send notifications to disabled members that are due to be
# reminded to re-enable their accounts.
0 9 * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
#
# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery.
0 12 * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests
#
# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
#
# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
#
# At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
# turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
# GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
27 3 * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
############################################################

and this is what is in  /etc/cron.d/mailman

###################################################################
# At 8AM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests.
# They are less likely to ignore these reminders if they're mailed
# early in the morning, but of course, this is local time... ;)
0 8 * * * /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs
#
# At 9AM, send notifications to disabled members that are due to be
# reminded to re-enable their accounts.
0 9 * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
#
# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery.
0 12 * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests
#
# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
#
# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
#
# At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
# turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
# GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
27 3 * * *  /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
~


##################################################################

Thanks
Fahad Saeed



> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 07:47:06 -0700
> From: mark at msapiro.net
> To: fahadsaeed11 at hotmail.com; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found
> 
> Fahad Saeed wrote:
> >
> >I am trying to install mailman on my server.I followed this tutorial:
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/Lin...alMailman.html
> 
> 
> I am guessing you mean
> <http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialMailman.html>
> 
> 
> 
> >After following all the steps, mailman seeems to be working as well as
> >the webpage for the list. If I subscribe to the list, I get an email in
> >my email inbox(hotmail, yahoo etc) for confirmation of the membership
> >etc.
> 
> 
> It is best to follow the instructions for the specific software package
> you are installing rather than generic instructions that may not apply
> to the specific RPM or other package you are installing.
> 
> 
> >But there are two problems that I would like to discuss and your input would be appreciable
> >
> >
> >
> >1)If I email from one of my email box(subscribed to the list), the email is not forwarded to any of the members.
> 
> 
> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9>. However, from the
> information below, at least your 'mailman' site list seems to be
> working as it should.
> 
> 
> 
> >2) I keep getting the following email in my administrator email box:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >	Code:
> >	As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
> >following mailing list posting:
> >
> >    List:    Mailman at mydomain
> >    From:    root at mydomain
> >    Subject: Cron <mailman at mia> mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
> >    Reason:  Post by non-member to a members-only list
> >
> >At your convenience, visit:
> >
> >    http://mydomain/mailman/admindb/mailman
> >        
> >to approve or deny the request.
> >If I allow, "root" to be subscibed to the list, I get the email to all the recipients of the list, with the message:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >	Code:
> >	[Mailman] Cron <mailman at mia> mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news?
> >From: 	mailman-bounces at mydomain on behalf of Cron Daemon (root at mydomain)
> >
> >/bin/sh: mailman: command not found
> >Any pointers would be appreciable.If any logs are required to get a clearer picture please let me know 
> 
> 
> This is where you get in trouble by following instructions not
> appropriate for your package. See the FAQ at
> <http://wiki.list.org/x/AIE9>.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 

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From faisalanif at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 20 11:04:05 2008
From: faisalanif at hotmail.com (faisal anif)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:04:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extreme Slow delivery of messages
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810171137090140c25f6e55@msapiro>
References: <BLU144-W33C0692B0C15E07AD4FF68DF320@phx.gbl>
	<PC1870200810171137090140c25f6e55@msapiro>
Message-ID: <BLU144-W955C78F71FBA78E55586BDF2F0@phx.gbl>


here's the SMTP log:
 
for 49194 recips, completed in 49.745 seconds
is this a good thing? do I have to change anything in mailman?
 
Thanks
 
> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:37:09 -0700> From: mark at msapiro.net> To: faisalanif at hotmail.com; mailman-users at python.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Extreme Slow delivery of messages> > faisal anif wrote:> > > >I've recently purchased a dedicated server (P4 2.4, 1 GB RAM) with Cpanel/WHM .. I created a list with cpanel but noticed that exim is extremely slow in delivering the messages to the list although I changed the following settings in WHM:> > > >The maximum each domain can send out per hour (0 is unlimited) = 0> > > >Number of minutes between mail server queue runs (default is 60) = 1> > > >I checked with the server's providers, there are no constraints on the outgoing messages from the server.> > > >what could the problem be?> > > Question 1 - is the delay in SMTP from Mailman to exim or is the delay> between exim and the remote MTA's?> > Look in mailman's smtp log for messages like> > Oct 17 09:47:08 2008 (30746)> <973585.76882.qm at web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> smtp to gpc-website for> 23 recips, completed in 0.396 seconds> > The above is a VERP'd delivery, so it represents 23 separate SMTP> transactions in 0.396 seconds. If your delivery is an order of> magnitude or more slower than this, see the FAQ at> <http://wiki.list.org/x/doA9>.> > If the delay is between exim and the remote MTA's, this is an exim> question, not a Mailman one, but the FAQ at> <http://wiki.list.org/x/qoA9> may help.> > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan> 
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From dpradier at e-volution-media-system.com  Mon Oct 20 16:56:18 2008
From: dpradier at e-volution-media-system.com (David Pradier)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:56:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing mailman in DMZ
Message-ID: <48FC9C12.8020202@e-volution-media-system.com>

Hi guys,

before installing in production mailman, I'd like to check with you 
something. I would like to know if it is possible to install mailman on 
another machine than its webserver without using nfs ?
What I understand is the cgi scripts and the mailman demon both need to 
access the same files, am I wrong ?

If I'm right, allow me another question :
Is the only way to have a webserver in dmz and mailman not in dmz, 
without using nfs, to use the webserver in dmz as a proxy and install 
another webserver on the mailman machine ?

Thanks a lot for your input,
David

From manon at petpalsaat.org  Sun Oct 19 21:37:52 2008
From: manon at petpalsaat.org (Manon Lamontagne)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:37:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderating issue
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKYGzJATVrBIgY7RRrPV/8zCgAAAEAAAANh5251TkENHu0DGVGdHqHkBAAAAAA==@petpalsaat.org>

I have mailman 2.1.11.cp2, under the member list, all the members have a
clear mod flag but when they post, we still need to approve their postings.

Where do I go to correct this problem? (Even as the owner and moderator I
have to approve my own posting)

 

Thanks,

Manon

 


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 20 17:52:31 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:52:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting a big message queue
In-Reply-To: <48FC9DA9.3060902@libero.it>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810200852310156b858da7b@msapiro>

Manlio Perillo wrote:
>
>I have a very big message queue for a mailing list.
>The queue is so big that the web page
>http://lists.xxx/mailman/admindb/yyy
>
>takes to long that the server times out.
>
>
>How can I delete the message queue using mailman internal API?


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/M4A9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 20 17:57:30 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:57:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderating issue
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKYGzJATVrBIgY7RRrPV/8zCgAAAEAAAANh5251TkENHu0DGVGdHqHkBAAAAAA==@petpalsaat.org>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102008573009686f63fa66@msapiro>

Manon Lamontagne wrote:

>I have mailman 2.1.11.cp2, under the member list, all the members have a
>clear mod flag but when they post, we still need to approve their postings.
>
>Where do I go to correct this problem? (Even as the owner and moderator I
>have to approve my own posting)

Is emergency (under Additional settings on the General Options page) On?

If not, both the notice to the admin and the admindb web interface shoe
the reason why the message was held. What is the reason?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 20 18:05:45 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:05:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing mailman in DMZ
In-Reply-To: <48FC9C12.8020202@e-volution-media-system.com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102009054501406fc5f839@msapiro>

David Pradier wrote:
>
>before installing in production mailman, I'd like to check with you 
>something. I would like to know if it is possible to install mailman on 
>another machine than its webserver without using nfs ?
>What I understand is the cgi scripts and the mailman demon both need to 
>access the same files, am I wrong ?


You are correct.


>If I'm right, allow me another question :
>Is the only way to have a webserver in dmz and mailman not in dmz, 
>without using nfs, to use the webserver in dmz as a proxy and install 
>another webserver on the mailman machine ?


The following searches may help

<http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=dmz&l=mailman-users%40python.org>

<http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amail.python.org+inurl%3Amailman+dmz>

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 20 18:15:49 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:15:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extreme Slow delivery of messages
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008102008050102039337844c@msapiro>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102009154902039337847c@msapiro>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>faisal anif wrote:
>>
>>here's the SMTP log:
>>
>>for 49194 recips, completed in 49.745 seconds
>>is this a good thing? do I have to change anything in mailman?
>
>
>Mailman has completed delivery to exim of the message for the 49194
>recipients in under a minute at a rate of about 100 recipients per
>second.


Ooops... That should be 1000 recipients per second.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu  Mon Oct 20 23:48:17 2008
From: jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu (jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:48:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot access Mailman
Message-ID: <f9a5fcf9f07.f07f9a5fcf9@washburn.edu>

Red Hat 5.1
Apache 2
Mailman 2.1.11


I am a newbie with Linux and am trying to get apache to see my Mailman
install. I have Apache's default home page up and running fine but am
not seeing Mailman.  I have tried the full path also:
http://localhost/mailman/listinfo/ and it doesn;t display anything. 
It's blank.  I have also created the mailman list and checked perms and
everything looks fine. I have also read the archives regarding this
issue and noticed the person was redirected to contact Apache, which I
very well may have to, but wanted to check with this listserv first to
make sure I am not missing anything. Here is what I have in my
httpd.conf file. 

<Directory "/">
       Options FollowSymLinks
      AllowOverride None
</Directory>

<Directory "/var/www/html">
       Options Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks
       AllowOverride None
       Allow from all
       Order allow,deny
</Directory>

<Directory "/var/www/icons">
        Options Indexes MultiViews
        AllowOverride None
        Allow from all
        Order allow,deny
</Directory>

<Directory "/var/www/cgi-bin">
        Options ExecCGI
        AllowOverride None
        Allow from all
        Order allow,deny
</Directory>

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/

<Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/>
    Options +FollowSymlinks
</Directory>

<Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin>
    AllowOverride None
    Options +ExecCGI
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

Here is a snippet of my httpd.log:
[Mon Oct 20 10:47:16 2008] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat) configured --
resuming normal operations
[Mon Oct 20 10:47:20 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission
denied: exec of '/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb' failed
[Mon Oct 20 10:47:20 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of
script headers: admindb
[Mon Oct 20 10:47:25 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] attempt to invoke
directory as script: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
[Mon Oct 20 10:47:27 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] attempt to invoke
directory as script: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
[Mon Oct 20 10:47:31 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission
denied: exec of '/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo' failed
[Mon Oct 20 10:47:31 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of
script headers: listinfo
[Mon Oct 20 10:57:32 2008] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down
[Mon Oct 20 10:59:01 2008] [notice] core dump file size limit raised to
4294967295 bytes
[Mon Oct 20 10:59:01 2008] [notice] SELinux policy enabled; httpd
running as context system_u:system_r:httpd_t:s0
[Mon Oct 20 10:59:01 2008] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper:
/usr/sbin/suexec)
[Mon Oct 20 10:59:01 2008] [notice] Digest: generating secret for digest
authentication ...
[Mon Oct 20 10:59:01 2008] [notice] Digest: done
[Mon Oct 20 10:59:01 2008] [notice] mod_python: Creating 4 session
mutexes based on 150 max processes and 0 max threads.
[Mon Oct 20 10:59:01 2008] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat) configured --
resuming normal operations
[Mon Oct 20 10:59:06 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission
denied: exec of '/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo' failed
[Mon Oct 20 10:59:06 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of
script headers: listinfo
[Mon Oct 20 10:59:09 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] attempt to invoke
directory as script: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
[Mon Oct 20 10:59:10 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] attempt to invoke
directory as script: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
[Mon Oct 20 10:59:10 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] attempt to invoke
directory as script: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
[Mon Oct 20 10:59:11 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] attempt to invoke
directory as script: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
[Mon Oct 20 10:59:54 2008] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down


Also, here is a snapshot to show some of my permission settings:
drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:30 .
drwxr-xr-x 12 root    root    4096 Sep 16 15:50 ..
drwxrwsr-x  4 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:30 archives
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 15 09:19 bin
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 15 09:10 cgi-bin
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 15 09:09 cron
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 20 15:36 data
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 15 09:09 icons
drwxrwsr-x  4 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 20 14:47 lists
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 20 14:48 locks
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 20 15:33 logs
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 15 09:10 mail
drwxrwsr-x 11 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 20 15:38 Mailman
drwxrwsr-x 37 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:40 messages
drwxrwsr-x  6 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:31 pythonlib
drwxrwsr-x 11 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 20 14:48 qfiles
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 15 09:10 scripts
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:30 spam
drwxrwsr-x 38 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:40 templates
drwxrwsr-x  4 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 15 09:19 tests


I don't have sendmail setup yet and am starting with a basic install at
the moment. Any help or clue would be greatly appreciated.

Jewel

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 21 00:58:45 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:58:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot access Mailman
In-Reply-To: <f9a5fcf9f07.f07f9a5fcf9@washburn.edu>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102015584508282199f2a9@msapiro>

jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu wrote:

>Red Hat 5.1
>Apache 2
>Mailman 2.1.11
>
>
>I am a newbie with Linux and am trying to get apache to see my Mailman
>install. I have Apache's default home page up and running fine but am
>not seeing Mailman.  I have tried the full path also:
>http://localhost/mailman/listinfo/ and it doesn;t display anything. 
>It's blank.  I have also created the mailman list and checked perms and
>everything looks fine. I have also read the archives regarding this
>issue and noticed the person was redirected to contact Apache, which I
>very well may have to, but wanted to check with this listserv first to
>make sure I am not missing anything. Here is what I have in my
>httpd.conf file. 
>
><Directory "/">
>       Options FollowSymLinks
>      AllowOverride None
></Directory>
>
><Directory "/var/www/html">
>       Options Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks
>       AllowOverride None
>       Allow from all
>       Order allow,deny
></Directory>
>
><Directory "/var/www/icons">
>        Options Indexes MultiViews
>        AllowOverride None
>        Allow from all
>        Order allow,deny
></Directory>
>
><Directory "/var/www/cgi-bin">
>        Options ExecCGI
>        AllowOverride None
>        Allow from all
>        Order allow,deny
></Directory>
>
>ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
>Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
>
><Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/>
>    Options +FollowSymlinks


You're going to need
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
here, but that only affects public archive access.

></Directory>
>
><Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin>
>    AllowOverride None
>    Options +ExecCGI
>    Order allow,deny
>    Allow from all
></Directory>
>
>Here is a snippet of my httpd.log:
>[Mon Oct 20 10:47:16 2008] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat) configured --
>resuming normal operations
>[Mon Oct 20 10:47:20 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission
>denied: exec of '/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb' failed


Have you run "bin/check_perms"?


>[Mon Oct 20 10:47:20 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of
>script headers: admindb
>[Mon Oct 20 10:47:25 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] attempt to invoke
>directory as script: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
>[Mon Oct 20 10:47:27 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] attempt to invoke
>directory as script: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/


If you want to be able to go to http://hostname/mailman/ and have it go
to the listinfo overview, you need

RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$  /mailman/listinfo

in httpd.conf.


>[Mon Oct 20 10:47:31 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission
>denied: exec of '/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo' failed


check_perms?


>[Mon Oct 20 10:47:31 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of
>script headers: listinfo
>[Mon Oct 20 10:57:32 2008] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down
>[Mon Oct 20 10:59:01 2008] [notice] core dump file size limit raised to
>4294967295 bytes
>[Mon Oct 20 10:59:01 2008] [notice] SELinux policy enabled; httpd
>running as context system_u:system_r:httpd_t:s0
>[Mon Oct 20 10:59:01 2008] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper:
>/usr/sbin/suexec)


Aha! You have both SELinux and SuEXEC Both of these affect permissions
in different ways: SuEXEC confilcts with Mailman's security model of
SETGID wrappers. Getting Mailman's web interface to run with SuEXEC is
somewhat involved. You will probably find additional error messages in
/var/log/httpd/suexec_log. It would be best to disable SuEXEC by

  chmod u-s /usr/sbin/suexec

and restart Apache. See <http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/suexec.html>.

If you do this and still have "permissions" issues, see
<http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg33574.html>.


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 21 01:32:22 2008
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:32:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Migrating Mailman to New Server
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810190902470000ae0035af@msapiro>
References: <PC1870200810190902470000ae0035af@msapiro>
Message-ID: <48FD1506.3080404@bellsouth.net>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Dennis Putnam wrote:
>   
>> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>     
>>> Can you go successfully go to a
>>> http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo/listname page for a known
>>> listname even though it doesn't appear on the overview. If not, I
>>> think your web server is pointing at the wrong place.
>>>
>>>       
>> OK, now we are making progress. Thanks. I can indeed see the list if I
>> supply the list name in the link like you suggested. I guess that means
>> the scriptalias is correct so the question now becomes, why do they not
>> show up on the admin or listinfo links? Does this also mean if I start
>> mailman it will work in spite of the incorrect web interface?
>>     
>
>
> Yes, Mailman will probably work if you start it as long as aliases or
> whatever is required for mail delivery to the list are in place.
>
> As far as lists missing from the listinfo overview, we are back to the
> FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/lYA9>.
>
> Assuming the lists are public (Privacy options... -> advertised = Yes),
> the list doesn't appear on the overview because
>
> VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = On
>
> (the default), and the host portion of the list's web_page_url
> attribute does not exactly match the host portion of the URL used to
> access the page.
>
> Perhaps you had
>
> VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off
>
> in mm_cfg.py on the old server and didn't carry it over. Or, perhaps
> you changed it in Defaults.py on the old server; if so, this is why
> you shouldn't do that.
>
>   
I'm making some progress as the problems so far seem to be ownerhip and
permissions since the copy had to be done as root. I could not find
anything that tells me what the group and owner should be for each
associated directory but I think I have them all set to mailman:mail.
Now I am getting this error from postfix:

status=bounced (Command died with status 2:
"/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman". Command output: Group
mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed
as group "mail", but the system's mail server executed the mail script
as group "mailman".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as
group "mail", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
`--with-mail-gid=mailman'. )
Oct 20 19:25:15 dap002 postfix/qmgr[27883]: 9D0D819835: removed
Oct 20 19:25:20 dap002 postfix/smtp[28602]: 202FF19836:
to=<dap1 at bellsouth.net>, relay=mail.bellsouth.net[207.115.11.17]:25,
delay=6.8, delays=0.01/0.01/3.2/3.6, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 ok ;
id=20081020232532H05001u3qhe)
Oct 20 19:25:20 dap002 postfix/qmgr[27883]: 202FF19836: removed

I don't think I understand what to do at this point. Everything other
then what I copied was set per the Mandriva installer.


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From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 21 02:27:33 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:27:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Migrating Mailman to New Server
In-Reply-To: <48FD1506.3080404@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <PC187020081020172733056225214c53@msapiro>

Dennis Putnam wrote:

>I'm making some progress as the problems so far seem to be ownerhip and
>permissions since the copy had to be done as root. I could not find
>anything that tells me what the group and owner should be for each
>associated directory but I think I have them all set to mailman:mail.


bin/check_perms will help. I don't think mailman:mail is correct. The
user is not important, but the group should be Mailman's group (the
setting for MAILMAN_GROUP in Defaults.py. Run

bin/check_perms -f

as root. That should make group and mode correct.


>Now I am getting this error from postfix:
>
>status=bounced (Command died with status 2:
>"/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman". Command output: Group
>mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed
>as group "mail", but the system's mail server executed the mail script
>as group "mailman".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as
>group "mail", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
>`--with-mail-gid=mailman'. )


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/tYA9>.


>I don't think I understand what to do at this point. Everything other
>then what I copied was set per the Mandriva installer.


Where are your aliases?

The mail wrapper is compiled to to expect to be invoked by the 'mail'
group. Postfix will invoke the wrapper as the user and that user's
primary group corresponding to the owner of the aliases.db file in
which the pipe command was found. I.e., if the aliases.db file is
userx:groupy, postfix will invoke the wrapper as userx:groupx where
groupx is userx's primary group.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dpradier at e-volution-media-system.com  Tue Oct 21 09:56:24 2008
From: dpradier at e-volution-media-system.com (David Pradier)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:56:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing mailman in DMZ
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008102009054501406fc5f839@msapiro>
References: <PC18702008102009054501406fc5f839@msapiro>
Message-ID: <48FD8B28.7060703@e-volution-media-system.com>

Thanks Mark,
it was helpful.

For the record, i didn't find any way to have mailman on a different 
machine than the webserver without NFS or a webproxy.

David

From john at jotsbox.com  Tue Oct 21 16:41:55 2008
From: john at jotsbox.com (John Whitney)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:41:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only and CC
Message-ID: <f74a8c250810210741p629b75e0if994a3059db2fff8@mail.gmail.com>

I have set-up an announce only Mailman implementation following suggestions
from various websites. It's working, but there's one thing that I cannot
figure out how to fix: Every message sent includes a Cc to the list, and a
To for my email. If people "reply to all", they get my rejection notice
since it's sending to the Cc as well as my email. Is there a way to
configure Mailman NOT to include the Cc? Thanks.

From kg4giy at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 01:42:00 2008
From: kg4giy at gmail.com (David Lane)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:42:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman perms are "good" mailman wrapper not found
Message-ID: <88300db00810201642q2325b3efw94545f20b8a7fce1@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

This one is driving me nuts.  Version 2.1

>From the logs: /usr/lib/mailmain/mail/mailman: No such file or directory

>From the file system:

[root at macrh01 mail]# pwd
/usr/lib/mailman/mail
[root at macrh01 mail]# ll
total 8
-rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 7224 Jan 23  2008 mailman

I am sure it's a rights issue, but I cannot find a listing for the correct
rights.

Installed via yum.

Thanks,

DAVID

From arimo at iki.fi  Tue Oct 21 17:05:12 2008
From: arimo at iki.fi (Ari Moisio)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:05:12 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman perms are "good" mailman wrapper not
 found
In-Reply-To: <88300db00810201642q2325b3efw94545f20b8a7fce1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <88300db00810201642q2325b3efw94545f20b8a7fce1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0810211804130.17500@arimo.local>

HI

  Is the 'mailmain' in the  log typo  somewhere?



-- 
mr. M01510 & guide Loadstone-GPS


On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, David Lane wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> This one is driving me nuts.  Version 2.1
>
>> From the logs: /usr/lib/mailmain/mail/mailman: No such file or directory
>
>> From the file system:
>
> [root at macrh01 mail]# pwd
> /usr/lib/mailman/mail
> [root at macrh01 mail]# ll
> total 8
> -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 7224 Jan 23  2008 mailman
>
> I am sure it's a rights issue, but I cannot find a listing for the correct
> rights.
>
> Installed via yum.
>
> Thanks,
>
> DAVID
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/arimo%40iki.fi
>
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
>

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 21 18:02:03 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:02:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only and CC
In-Reply-To: <f74a8c250810210741p629b75e0if994a3059db2fff8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC187020081021090203082892ddf1ff@msapiro>

John Whitney wrote:

>I have set-up an announce only Mailman implementation following suggestions
>from various websites. It's working, but there's one thing that I cannot
>figure out how to fix: Every message sent includes a Cc to the list, and a
>To for my email. If people "reply to all", they get my rejection notice
>since it's sending to the Cc as well as my email. Is there a way to
>configure Mailman NOT to include the Cc? Thanks.


The Cc: to the list is included in the outgoing mail because the list
is fully personalized. This is done to facilitate replying to the list
when the list address is not in To: of the outgoing mail. Granted,
this is not appropriate for a fully personalized, announce only list,
but Mailman 2.x at least has no option to not include the Cc: to the
list for a fully personalized list.

You can do the following, although it may not be satisfactory.

1) set personalize to No or Yes, not Full, so the To: header won't
   be changed.
2) post to the list by sending the mail To: yourself with Bcc: to
   the list.
3) under Privacy options... -> Recipient filters eithe set
   require_explicit_destination to No or put your address in
   acceptable_aliases to avoid your post being held for
   "implicit destination". This step is not necessary if you
   post with an Approved: header.

In this way, posts will be From: you and To: you and reply or reply-all
will go to just you.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 21 18:07:56 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:07:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman perms are "good" mailman wrapper not
	found
In-Reply-To: <88300db00810201642q2325b3efw94545f20b8a7fce1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC187020081021090756006292ddef36@msapiro>

David Lane wrote:
>
>This one is driving me nuts.  Version 2.1
>
>>From the logs: /usr/lib/mailmain/mail/mailman: No such file or directory
>
>>From the file system:
>
>[root at macrh01 mail]# pwd
>/usr/lib/mailman/mail
>[root at macrh01 mail]# ll
>total 8
>-rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 7224 Jan 23  2008 mailman
>
>I am sure it's a rights issue, but I cannot find a listing for the correct
>rights.


This seems like a smrsh issue. See item 4 in the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rsk at gsp.org  Wed Oct 22 15:07:24 2008
From: rsk at gsp.org (Rich Kulawiec)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:07:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suggestion: do not include List-Id header on
	subscribe/unsubscribe	messages
Message-ID: <20081022130724.GA15424@gsp.org>

Reasoning: those messages are not actually mailing list traffic.  Yes,
they're related to the list, and they're about the list, but they're not
being sent through the list per se.

In addition, one of the things that I've noticed is that filtering/filing
based on List-Id (say, a procmail recipe) will filter/file these messages
along with ordinary list traffic.  But I don't think that's desirable
behavior; especially in case of unsubscribe notifications generated on
the server side (say, due to an excess number of undeliverable messages).

Opinions, comments?

---Rsk

From john at jotsbox.com  Tue Oct 21 22:40:39 2008
From: john at jotsbox.com (John Whitney)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:40:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML to TEXT but still see ATT
Message-ID: <f74a8c250810211340u65c10d0dkc7bdc9ed9d3b09d8@mail.gmail.com>

I have followed the instructions to strip HTML messages, but there's
still an issue. Outlook users receive their footers as attachments.
This is not the case with webmail clients, like Google.

Is there a way to insure that the footer is included? I hate Outlook,
but there are many corporate types that are forced to use it.

My settings are (2.1.9.cp2): filter_content = yes, filter_mime_types =
empty, pass_mime_types = empty, filter_filename_extensions = (standard
list), pass_filename_extensions = empty, collapse_alternatives = no,
convert_html_to_plaintext  = yes, filter_action = discard.

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 22 16:51:20 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:51:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML to TEXT but still see ATT
In-Reply-To: <f74a8c250810211340u65c10d0dkc7bdc9ed9d3b09d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC187020081022075120046815eb64a8@msapiro>

John Whitney wrote:

>I have followed the instructions to strip HTML messages, but there's
>still an issue. Outlook users receive their footers as attachments.
>This is not the case with webmail clients, like Google.
>
>Is there a way to insure that the footer is included? I hate Outlook,
>but there are many corporate types that are forced to use it.
>
>My settings are (2.1.9.cp2): filter_content = yes, filter_mime_types =
>empty, pass_mime_types = empty, filter_filename_extensions = (standard
>list), pass_filename_extensions = empty, collapse_alternatives = no,
>convert_html_to_plaintext  = yes, filter_action = discard.


First of all, this is cPanel. It is known that cPanel has modifications
that affect footers, so this is probably a cPanel issue that we can't
resolve. See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9>.

Second, the content filtering settings you have make no sense. They say
for example that a multipart/alternative message with a text/plain
alternative and a text/html alternative will be converted to a
multipart/alternative message with the original text/plain alternative
and a second text/plain alternative converted from the text/html
alternative.

It would make much more sense to either set

collapse_alternatives = yes

or

convert_html_to_plaintext = no

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 22 17:47:00 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:47:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML to TEXT but still see ATT
In-Reply-To: <f74a8c250810220826k2593b77bjf9df94511b62a64c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810220847000578dd7ae682@msapiro>

John Whitney wrote:
>
>My issues are not cPanel related. I think it's how Outlook processes
>MIME types in emails.


Ultimately, the issue is how Outlook displays a mime multipart message,
but what happens to the message when footers are added and exactly how
footers are added and what the mime structure of the final message is
are all issues in which cPanel Mailman behaves differently from GNU
Mailman in at least some cases.


>I know from your posts that you hate html email,
>but my organizations sends-out multicolored calendar updates to our
>users that would otherwise be useless with rich text formatting.
>
>Thus, I'm simply trying to send my html emails thru Mailman with the
>personalized footer, all in the body. They come together in the body
>of the email with web-client email readers, like gMail, but not
>Outlook (where the footer looks like an attachment, i.e. ATT###.txt).


They don't come together in the body, or they would render the same in
all MUAs. The footer is being added as a separate mime text/plain part
and some MUAs just go ahead and display it inline, but Outlook doesn't


>So basically, if I send html email and want a personalised text
>footer, I'm out of luck form some email clients. Yes?


Have you tried just setting convert_html_to_plaintext to No. What
cPanel does in this area that's different is attempt to add the footer
directly to the html part. This may work with your mails, but it may
not. See <http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?t=61603>. You
will need to register at the cPanel forums site to see that post.

I can make further suggestions, but to do so, I would need to see a raw
message as sent to the list and one as received from the list (I don't
actually need the content, but I do need to see the mime structure of
both messages.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu  Wed Oct 22 18:32:58 2008
From: jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu (jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:32:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives not accessible
Message-ID: <f9ae9dfdd000.d000f9ae9dfd@washburn.edu>

I was able to get the hostname resolved by running the fix_url script. 
Now I am running into a new problem. I am not able to access the
archives of the lists I just created.  The first list says "Forbidden -
You don't have permission to access /pipermail/jewel/ on this server."
My second list is my 'mailman' list which when I click on archives it
jumps back to the listinfo page.  Below are my permissions.

Permissions under /archives...
drwxrwsr-x  4 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:30 .
drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:30 ..
drwxrws---  6 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 09:32 private
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 09:32 public

Permissions under lists...
drwxrwsr-x  4 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 09:32 .
drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:30 ..
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 10:19 jewel
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 10:18 mailman

Permissions under list 'jewel'...
drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 10:19 .
drwxrwsr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 09:32 ..
-rw-rw---x 1 apache  mailman 3738 Oct 22 10:19 config.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 apache  mailman 3713 Oct 22 10:19 config.pck.last

Permissions under list 'mailman'...
drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 10:18 .
drwxrwsr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 09:32 ..
-rw-rw---- 1 apache  mailman 3713 Oct 22 10:18 config.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 apache  mailman 3717 Oct 22 10:18 config.pck.last

Everytime I run check_perms -f is says "no problems found."

Mark, thank you so far for all of your previous help, everything you
have sent me has worked!  This listserv is wonderful.

Jewel

From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Oct 22 20:02:47 2008
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:02:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Files
Message-ID: <auto-000070827544@mailfront2.g2host.com>

In my mailman/data sub-directory there are a bunch of files 
"bounce-eventsxxxx.pck" dated in the past, some 5 years old.  Can I 
safely delete these?

Dave


From bcanty at apsa.org  Wed Oct 22 20:29:38 2008
From: bcanty at apsa.org (Brian Canty)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:29:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Email commands for List Subscription and
	Email Changes
Message-ID: <6B3A7025196C1A49AABB0E6C80AD5AE2B5F4E4@apsaserv.APSA.local>

I currently use Majordomo for a good majority of my email lists.  I am
looking to convert my lists to Mailman.  I am trying to find a way where
I can issue commands via email that will get me results.  For example
currently I can send an email and in the body I can say

Which <email address>

And I get a return email address back to the lists that email address is
subscribed.  At this point I can than issue Unsubscribe and Subscribe
commands via email.

Is this at all possible in mailman?

Thanks in advance.


Brian Canty
Manager Computer Information Services
American Psychoanalytic Association
212-752-0450 x17


From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 22 23:24:00 2008
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:24:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Migrating Mailman to New Server
In-Reply-To: <48FD1506.3080404@bellsouth.net>
References: <PC1870200810190902470000ae0035af@msapiro>
	<48FD1506.3080404@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <48FF99F0.6010101@bellsouth.net>

That advanced the ball. The problem was that the mailman's primay group was mailman (Mandriva automagically creates a primary group for each user with the same name as the user name, that has been a problem more than once). I changed the primary group to mail. Thanks.

However, I am now getting permission denied errors on the database folders.

IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman/database/2008-October-date.lock.dap002.2271.2'

I ran check_perms and all is OK. This has always been about ownership/permissions but I question why check_perms doesn't/won't fix it. What is it supposed to be?

FWIW, the owner:group for /usr/lib/mailman and /var/lib/mailman trees is mailman:mail. 

I should also note that the command (it was just a help command to req) did work but I did not want to try actually mailing something to a list until this is all fixed.

Thanks again for your help and my ISP seems to be accepting email from the python.org domain again.

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>Where are your aliases?
>
>The mail wrapper is compiled to to expect to be invoked by the 'mail'
>group. Postfix will invoke the wrapper as the user and that user's
>primary group corresponding to the owner of the aliases.db file in
>which the pipe command was found. I.e., if the aliases.db file is
>userx:groupy, postfix will invoke the wrapper as userx:groupx where
>groupx is userx's primary group.
>
>-- 
>Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>>        The highway is for gamblers,
>San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 23 00:19:22 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:19:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives not accessible
In-Reply-To: <f9ae9dfdd000.d000f9ae9dfd@washburn.edu>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102215192203125801100e@msapiro>

jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu wrote:

>I was able to get the hostname resolved by running the fix_url script. 
>Now I am running into a new problem. I am not able to access the
>archives of the lists I just created.  The first list says "Forbidden -
>You don't have permission to access /pipermail/jewel/ on this server."
>My second list is my 'mailman' list which when I click on archives it
>jumps back to the listinfo page.  Below are my permissions.
>
>Permissions under /archives...
>drwxrwsr-x  4 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:30 .
>drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:30 ..
>drwxrws---  6 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 09:32 private
>drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 09:32 public


Did you get this message from check_perms

Warning: Private archive directory is other-executable (o+x).
         This could allow other users on your system to read private
archives.
         If you're on a shared multiuser system, you should consult the
         installation manual on how to fix this.

and "fix" it by "chmod o-x archives/private" or something similar. This
is not complete. The web server needs to be able to search the
archives/private directory for poblic archives because the pipermail
alias points to archives/public which contains symlinks into
archives/private.

As it says in the installation manual at
<http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node9.html>, if you do "chmod o-x
archives/private", you must also do "chown <web-server-user>
archives/private" where <web-server-user> is the user your web server
runs as.

As far as your mailman list jumping back to the listinfo page is
concerned, in a previous post in this thread I suggested you put

RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$  /mailman/listinfo

in your httpd.conf. It appears that you have somewhere in httpd.conf or
an included file (from httpd/conf.d/ ?)

RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$  /mailman/listinfo

It needs to be anchored as the first one above (the "^"). Otherwise any
URL that ends in "/mailman" or "/mailman/" will redirect to the
listinfo page.

<snip>
>
>Mark, thank you so far for all of your previous help, everything you
>have sent me has worked!  This listserv is wonderful.


Thanks for the appreciation. I'm glad to help, but I must point out
that listserv(r) is a registered trademark that refers to a specific
software product that is not Mailman. It is not a generic term for
"email list" even though it is often misused that way. See
<http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/trademark.asp>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 23 00:40:34 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:40:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Files
In-Reply-To: <auto-000070827544@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102215403403590f0c2d09@msapiro>

David Andrews wrote:

>In my mailman/data sub-directory there are a bunch of files 
>"bounce-eventsxxxx.pck" dated in the past, some 5 years old.  Can I 
>safely delete these?


Yes.

They are (possibly) queued bounce events that have been lost for one
reason or another. If the pid xxxx doesn't exist, the file is dead.
Under ordinary circumstances, if they are more than 15 minutes old,
they are dead.

There are various reasons why these files can be left behind, but dead
ones are dead and can be safely removed. Actually, even live ones can
be removed and the worst that will happen is you will lose a few
bounces. The only live ones are non-zero-length files with a xxxx
equal to the pid of a currently running BounceRunner or OutgoingRunner.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 23 01:01:09 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:01:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Email commands for List Subscription
	andEmail Changes
In-Reply-To: <6B3A7025196C1A49AABB0E6C80AD5AE2B5F4E4@apsaserv.APSA.local>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102216010906409afd0409@msapiro>

Brian Canty wrote:

>I currently use Majordomo for a good majority of my email lists.  I am
>looking to convert my lists to Mailman.  I am trying to find a way where
>I can issue commands via email that will get me results.  For example
>currently I can send an email and in the body I can say
>
>Which <email address>
>
>And I get a return email address back to the lists that email address is
>subscribed.  At this point I can than issue Unsubscribe and Subscribe
>commands via email.
>
>Is this at all possible in mailman?


Mailman's email command interface is more limited than Majordomo's.

Mailman recognizes the following emailed commands. These are sent to a
listname-request at ... address so with one exception (lists), the
commands in one email are specific to that list.

    info
        Get information about this mailing list.

    lists
        See a list of the public mailing lists on this GNU Mailman
        server.

    password
        Retrieve or change your list password.

    set ...
        Set or view your membership options.

    subscribe
        Subscribe to this mailing list.

    unsubscribe

    who
        See everyone who is on this mailing list.
        The roster may be restricted to the list members or to
        the list admin, in which case authentication is required.

There is no email command to see the lists to which you are subscribed,
although this is available via the web as long as you can log on to
your options page for at least one of the lists.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 23 01:54:09 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:54:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Migrating Mailman to New Server
In-Reply-To: <48FF99F0.6010101@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <PC187020081022165409004621dfc7b7@msapiro>

Dennis Putnam wrote:
>
>However, I am now getting permission denied errors on the database folders.
>
>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman/database/2008-October-date.lock.dap002.2271.2'
>
>I ran check_perms and all is OK. This has always been about ownership/permissions but I question why check_perms doesn't/won't fix it. What is it supposed to be?


Prior to 2.1.10, check_perms had a bug and didn't check the owner and
group permissions on the archives/private directory itself.

Permissions should be 2771 or maybe 2770 (drwxrws--x or drwxrws---). If
archives/private is not o+x, it needs to be owned by the web server
for public archive URLs to work.

Subordinate directories should be 2775 (drwxrwsr-x) and subordinate
files 0664 (-rw-rw-r--) except for the archives/private/*/database/
directory and subordinate files which should not have 'other'
permissions.


>FWIW, the owner:group for /usr/lib/mailman and /var/lib/mailman trees is mailman:mail. 
>
>I should also note that the command (it was just a help command to req) did work but I did not want to try actually mailing something to a list until this is all fixed.


It is not clear to my why a help command to the -request address would
try to lock the archive. Is (was) 2271 the pid of CommandRunner?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brian at emwd.com  Thu Oct 23 15:35:21 2008
From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:35:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass add a single email address
Message-ID: <009601c93514$34275220$9c75f660$@com>

Hello everyone:

Is there a way to add a single e-mail addy to about 30 lists at once? This
needs to be done on a server that runs mailman in a cpanel and virtual host
environment. The add_members options does not seem to allow for this.

Regards,
Brian
--------------------------------------
EMWD.com -  'Powered by Techies'
Blog.emwd.com - "Curious comments from a web hosting techie"



From atrick at prin.edu  Thu Oct 23 00:20:22 2008
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:20:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about footers (again)
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20081022171610.04bb84e8@prin.edu>

Some members of the list posted back in 2003 about known problems 
with footers not appearing in mail readers like Outlook using default settings.

I'm using Mailman 2.1.5 and wondering if I upgrade to a newer version 
will I get any better results with messages going out that "hide" the 
footer as an attachment?

I suspect the problem is, as was explained in some of those old list 
messages, that senders are sending RTF or HTML, but the footer is 
plain text, so Mailman separates them.

If MM developers have figured out a way in a newer version to better 
assure people won't miss the footer, I'd appreciate knowing (and will 
upgrade).  Or if there are any other nifty ideas to get around this 
problem in 2.1.5, I'd appreciate knowing that as well!

Thanks,

Allan Trick
Principia College
Elsah, Illinois



From brgsousa at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 03:37:19 2008
From: brgsousa at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bruno_Guimar=E3es_Sousa?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:37:19 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + postfix + Debian -> does not deliver any
	messages
Message-ID: <d47683e10810221837k1f995601q8e2b80165bfbf2ab@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
My server is running Debian 4 + postfix 2.3.8-2+etch1 + mailman 1:2.1.9-7
I created 2 new mailing lists through browser (mailman administration)
And then created new entries for these new mailing lists in /etc/aliases
like this:
*#profs-val "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post profs-val"
#profs-val-admin "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin profs-val"
#profs-val-bounces "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces profs-val"
#profs-val-confirm "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm profs-val"
#profs-val-join "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join profs-val"
#profs-val-leave "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave profs-val"
#profs-val-owner "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner profs-val"
#profs-val-request "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request profs-val"
#profs-val-subscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe profs-val"
#profs-val-unsubscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
profs-val"

#tecadm-val "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post tecadm-val"
#tecadm-val-admin "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin tecadm-val"
#tecadm-val-bounces "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces tecadm-val"
#tecadm-val-confirm "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm tecadm-val"
#tecadm-val-join "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join tecadm-val"
#tecadm-val-leave "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave tecadm-val"
#tecadm-val-owner "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner tecadm-val"
#tecadm-val-request "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request tecadm-val"
#tecadm-val-subscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe tecadm-val"
#tecadm-val-unsubscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
tecadm-val"
*
Mailing lists always worked for me creating them like this. But this time,
when i restarted mailman, it showed me an error message and filled "/"
partition with files in /var/lib/mailman (i don't know which files are
these). Then "/" partition had zero of free space and postfix stopped
working well.
After i reduced disk usage, mailman is up and postfix is delivering messages
fine. The problem is that none of the mailing lists are working, neither the
2 new ones nor the old ones.

*# ps aux | grep mailman
list     19715  0.0  0.1 10180 6208 ?        Ss   19:49   0:00
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start
list     19720  0.0  0.2  9964 7520 ?        S    19:49   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
list     19721  0.0  0.2  9968 7548 ?        S    19:49   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
list     19722  0.0  0.2 10004 7540 ?        S    19:49   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
list     19723  0.0  0.2  9964 7532 ?        S    19:49   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
list     19724  0.0  0.2  9884 7560 ?        S    19:49   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
list     19725  0.0  0.2  9968 7612 ?        S    19:49   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
list     19726  0.0  0.2  9888 7524 ?        S    19:49   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
list     19727  0.0  0.2  9884 7520 ?        S    19:49   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s
*
Any clues?

Thanks

-- 
Bruno Guimar?es Sousa
www.brunosousa.co.nr
COINF-CEFET-BA
Ci?ncia da Computa??o UFBA
Registered Linux user #465914

From brad at shub-internet.org  Thu Oct 23 17:13:20 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:13:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about footers (again)
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081022171610.04bb84e8@prin.edu>
References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081022171610.04bb84e8@prin.edu>
Message-ID: <49009490.5070109@shub-internet.org>

Allan Trick wrote:

> I'm using Mailman 2.1.5 and wondering if I upgrade to a newer version 
> will I get any better results with messages going out that "hide" the 
> footer as an attachment?

Nope.

> I suspect the problem is, as was explained in some of those old list 
> messages, that senders are sending RTF or HTML, but the footer is plain 
> text, so Mailman separates them.

Right.  They get put into a separate MIME bodypart, which some MUAs will 
display together, but others won't.

> If MM developers have figured out a way in a newer version to better 
> assure people won't miss the footer, I'd appreciate knowing (and will 
> upgrade).  Or if there are any other nifty ideas to get around this 
> problem in 2.1.5, I'd appreciate knowing that as well!

You could drop the footers altogether.  You could strip all non-ASCII text 
content, and convert HTML to ASCII text.  You might still get separate MIME 
bodyparts if the character set was different, but I don't think there's 
anything more you could do from the Mailman side.

Alternatively, throw out all the crappy MUAs that behave badly, and replace 
them all with good ones.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From brad at shub-internet.org  Thu Oct 23 17:15:27 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:15:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + postfix + Debian -> does not deliver
 any	messages
In-Reply-To: <d47683e10810221837k1f995601q8e2b80165bfbf2ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d47683e10810221837k1f995601q8e2b80165bfbf2ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4900950F.6040101@shub-internet.org>

Bruno Guimar?es Sousa wrote:

> *#profs-val "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post profs-val"
> #profs-val-admin "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin profs-val"
> #profs-val-bounces "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces profs-val"
> #profs-val-confirm "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm profs-val"
> #profs-val-join "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join profs-val"
> #profs-val-leave "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave profs-val"
> #profs-val-owner "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner profs-val"
> #profs-val-request "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request profs-val"
> #profs-val-subscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe profs-val"
> #profs-val-unsubscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
> profs-val"

So you commented out all the aliases in question?  That won't work very well.

> Mailing lists always worked for me creating them like this. But this time,
> when i restarted mailman, it showed me an error message and filled "/"
> partition with files in /var/lib/mailman (i don't know which files are
> these). Then "/" partition had zero of free space and postfix stopped
> working well.

Yeah, that's a totally separate problem.  You need to make sure the machine 
is configured correctly and working correctly, before we have a chance of 
hoping that Mailman will operate correctly.

> After i reduced disk usage, mailman is up and postfix is delivering messages
> fine. The problem is that none of the mailing lists are working, neither the
> 2 new ones nor the old ones.

Try un-commenting the aliases, rebuild the alias file, then restart Mailman.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 23 17:19:03 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:19:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass add a single email address
In-Reply-To: <009601c93514$34275220$9c75f660$@com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810230819030281599c1c1c@msapiro>

Brian Carpenter wrote:
>
>Is there a way to add a single e-mail addy to about 30 lists at once? This
>needs to be done on a server that runs mailman in a cpanel and virtual host
>environment. The add_members options does not seem to allow for this.

Run add_members in a shell script. For example

#!/bin/sh
for list in `cat file_of_lists` ; do
echo Real Name <user at example.com> | bin/add_members -r - $list
done

If the 30 or so lists are all the lists in the installation, replace
`cat file_of_lists` with `bin/lists_lists --bare`.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brian at emwd.com  Thu Oct 23 18:05:28 2008
From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:05:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on version 2.1.11
Message-ID: <00d001c93529$2c59be60$850d3b20$@com>

Hello Everyone:

I have a quick question. I have a client who wishes to modify the password
for a list member that has been added manually. However he is getting the
following message:

"The list administrator may not change the password for a user"

Evidently this worked in the previous version but not in 2.1.11. Is there
another method that the list admin can use to get this done? Here is the
original question posted to me:

" The way my lists work is that when a user send in a subscription request,
I
add him/her manually to the list, then I change the user's password to
something generated manually. This same manually-generated password is used
to give the user access to another related page, so it's important that I
know the password for the user when I create their logins. The user can, of
course, change the passwords later, so this is only at the initial stage.

Today when I tried to add a user I got an "admin-cannot-change-user-pwd
message" (screenshot below).

Have I got anything wrong? Should I be doing something else to change the
new users' passwords when I add them to the lists?"

Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks.

Regards,
Brian
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From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 23 18:24:49 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:24:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on version 2.1.11
In-Reply-To: <00d001c93529$2c59be60$850d3b20$@com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102309244901407fa9ee7d@msapiro>

Brian Carpenter wrote:
>
>I have a quick question. I have a client who wishes to modify the password
>for a list member that has been added manually. However he is getting the
>following message:
>
>"The list administrator may not change the password for a user"
>
>Evidently this worked in the previous version but not in 2.1.11.


Quoting from the NEWS file under 2.1.10

- There is a new mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py variable
  OWNERS_CAN_CHANGE_MEMBER_PASSWORDS which controls whether the list
  owner can change a member's password from the member's options page.
  This defaults to No and should be changed to Yes only if list owners
  are trusted to not change a member's password, log in as the member
  and make global membership changes.

You can set

OWNERS_CAN_CHANGE_MEMBER_PASSWORDS = Yes

in mm_cfg.py to restore the pre 2.1.10 behavior, but you should be
aware of the above security implication.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brian at emwd.com  Thu Oct 23 18:40:48 2008
From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:40:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on version 2.1.11
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008102309244901407fa9ee7d@msapiro>
References: <00d001c93529$2c59be60$850d3b20$@com>
	<PC18702008102309244901407fa9ee7d@msapiro>
Message-ID: <00e201c9352e$1c1696e0$5443c4a0$@com>

Thanks Mark. You are a great help on this list.

Regards,
Brian
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:25 PM
> To: Brian Carpenter; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Question on version 2.1.11
> 
> Brian Carpenter wrote:
> >
> >I have a quick question. I have a client who wishes to modify the
> password
> >for a list member that has been added manually. However he is getting
> the
> >following message:
> >
> >"The list administrator may not change the password for a user"
> >
> >Evidently this worked in the previous version but not in 2.1.11.
> 
> 
> Quoting from the NEWS file under 2.1.10
> 
> - There is a new mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py variable
>   OWNERS_CAN_CHANGE_MEMBER_PASSWORDS which controls whether the list
>   owner can change a member's password from the member's options page.
>   This defaults to No and should be changed to Yes only if list owners
>   are trusted to not change a member's password, log in as the member
>   and make global membership changes.
> 
> You can set
> 
> OWNERS_CAN_CHANGE_MEMBER_PASSWORDS = Yes
> 
> in mm_cfg.py to restore the pre 2.1.10 behavior, but you should be
> aware of the above security implication.
> 
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mike at maughan.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 05:35:34 2008
From: mike at maughan.co.uk (Mike Maughan)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:35:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating a list from Yahoo to MM
Message-ID: <fde304e80810232035u71df2d7bxefc825e53df1462@mail.gmail.com>

Morning all,

I have a long-standing list on Yahoogroups that I want to move to MailMan.
I can export & reimport the users OK but I would like to also transfer the
message archive.

Anyone have any suggestions, please?

-- 
Regards, Mike

From lev at vpac.org  Fri Oct 24 05:41:32 2008
From: lev at vpac.org (Lev Lafayette)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:41:32 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating a list from Yahoo to MM
In-Reply-To: <fde304e80810232035u71df2d7bxefc825e53df1462@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1137868073.1791561224819691962.JavaMail.root@mail.vpac.org>


----- "Mike Maughan" <mike at maughan.co.uk> wrote:

> Morning all,
> 
> I have a long-standing list on Yahoogroups that I want to move to
> MailMan.
> I can export & reimport the users OK but I would like to also transfer
> the
> message archive.
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions, please?

A few years ago I asked yahoo! whether they had such functionality.

The reply was negative and they didn't seem keen to change it either.

I think perhaps one alternative would be to edit your mailman public html files to have "archives prior to date x" and have it pointing to the group's old url.

I know, not a great solution :(

-- 
Lev Lafayette (03) 9925 4909
Systems Administrator
110 Victoria St
Carlton South, 3053

From ges+lists at wingfoot.org  Fri Oct 24 06:06:04 2008
From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:06:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating a list from Yahoo to MM
In-Reply-To: <fde304e80810232035u71df2d7bxefc825e53df1462@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fde304e80810232035u71df2d7bxefc825e53df1462@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490149AC.2000909@wingfoot.org>

Mike Maughan said the following on 10/23/08 11:35 PM:
> Morning all,
>
> I have a long-standing list on Yahoogroups that I want to move to MailMan.
> I can export & reimport the users OK but I would like to also transfer the
> message archive.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions, please?
>
>   
Do a google for yahoo2mbox.. it's a perl script that can harvest
archives off of a yahoogroup. (It can take a while, since it paces
itself so you don't end up getting blocked out of yahoo.)

I've been using it for a while, and it works quite well (and since it
downloads into mbox files, you can import the archives into MM.

Good luck!
Best,
--Glenn

From brgsousa at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 04:45:22 2008
From: brgsousa at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bruno_Guimar=E3es_Sousa?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:45:22 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + postfix + Debian -> does not deliver
	any messages
In-Reply-To: <4900950F.6040101@shub-internet.org>
References: <d47683e10810221837k1f995601q8e2b80165bfbf2ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<4900950F.6040101@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <d47683e10810231945vffdb6cav1ae01542bc0b3e7@mail.gmail.com>

I am sorry, i posted it wrong. It is un-commented
But it is solved now
I don't know if i upgraded any package coz /etc/aliases had to be in a
diferent syntax:

*profs-val:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post profs-val"*
profs-val-admin "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin profs-val"
profs-val-bounces "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces profs-val"
profs-val-confirm "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm profs-val"
profs-val-join "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join profs-val"
profs-val-leave "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave profs-val"
profs-val-owner "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner profs-val"
profs-val-request "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request profs-val"
profs-val-subscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe profs-val"
profs-val-unsubscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe profs-val"

*tecadm-val:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post tecadm-val"*
tecadm-val-admin "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin tecadm-val"
tecadm-val-bounces "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces tecadm-val"
tecadm-val-confirm "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm tecadm-val"
tecadm-val-join "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join tecadm-val"
tecadm-val-leave "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave tecadm-val"
tecadm-val-owner "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner tecadm-val"
tecadm-val-request "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request tecadm-val"
tecadm-val-subscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe tecadm-val"
tecadm-val-unsubscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe tecadm-val"




On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>wrote:

> Bruno Guimar?es Sousa wrote:
>
>  *#profs-val "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post profs-val"
>> #profs-val-admin "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin profs-val"
>> #profs-val-bounces "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces profs-val"
>> #profs-val-confirm "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm profs-val"
>> #profs-val-join "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join profs-val"
>> #profs-val-leave "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave profs-val"
>> #profs-val-owner "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner profs-val"
>> #profs-val-request "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request profs-val"
>> #profs-val-subscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe profs-val"
>> #profs-val-unsubscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
>> profs-val"
>>
>
> So you commented out all the aliases in question?  That won't work very
> well.
>
>  Mailing lists always worked for me creating them like this. But this time,
>> when i restarted mailman, it showed me an error message and filled "/"
>> partition with files in /var/lib/mailman (i don't know which files are
>> these). Then "/" partition had zero of free space and postfix stopped
>> working well.
>>
>
> Yeah, that's a totally separate problem.  You need to make sure the machine
> is configured correctly and working correctly, before we have a chance of
> hoping that Mailman will operate correctly.
>
>  After i reduced disk usage, mailman is up and postfix is delivering
>> messages
>> fine. The problem is that none of the mailing lists are working, neither
>> the
>> 2 new ones nor the old ones.
>>
>
> Try un-commenting the aliases, rebuild the alias file, then restart
> Mailman.
>
> --
> Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
> LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
>



-- 
Bruno Guimar?es Sousa
www.brunosousa.co.nr
COINF-CEFET-BA
Ci?ncia da Computa??o UFBA
Registered Linux user #465914

From john at jotsbox.com  Thu Oct 23 18:47:36 2008
From: john at jotsbox.com (John Whitney)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:47:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about footers (again)
In-Reply-To: <49009490.5070109@shub-internet.org>
References: <7.0.1.0.2.20081022171610.04bb84e8@prin.edu>
	<49009490.5070109@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <f74a8c250810230947l72616355gc585dd8a2090f118@mail.gmail.com>

I found this:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2005-February/017850.html

If you want to go HTML all the way w/headers and footers and body. I
have no idea if it works. Let us know if you try it!

From kevin at nazmail.com  Thu Oct 23 20:07:23 2008
From: kevin at nazmail.com (Kevin Rector)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:07:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking a person from getting a single email
Message-ID: <4900BD5B.9050405@nazmail.com>

Hello, I administer a list and I want to send an email to everyone on 
the list except one person (we're getting him a Christmas gift and want 
it to stay secret from him). My plan is to set his nomail flag to on and 
then send the email then after getting the email in my inbox turning off 
his nomail (so that he'll get mail again). It's a low traffic list so 
there is no real risk of him missing any other emails. He doesn't get a 
digest and he is a list administrator and I'm using version 2.1.11.cp2. 
He'll never look in the archives, so that's not an issue. Can anyone see 
any reason why this wouldn't work? I've checked the documentation and it 
seems like this is the best plan but I'd thought I'd get y'alls input. 
Thanks.

-Kevin

From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 24 17:03:21 2008
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:03:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Migrating Mailman to New Server
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081022165409004621dfc7b7@msapiro>
References: <PC187020081022165409004621dfc7b7@msapiro>
Message-ID: <4901E3B9.5060007@bellsouth.net>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Prior to 2.1.10, check_perms had a bug and didn't check the owner and
> group permissions on the archives/private directory itself.
>
> Permissions should be 2771 or maybe 2770 (drwxrws--x or drwxrws---). If
> archives/private is not o+x, it needs to be owned by the web server
> for public archive URLs to work.
>   
I changed it to 2771 (I just needed too do a chmod o-r).
> Subordinate directories should be 2775 (drwxrwsr-x) and subordinate
> files 0664 (-rw-rw-r--) except for the archives/private/*/database/
> directory and subordinate files which should not have 'other'
> permissions.
>   
OK, this is confusing. The public archive directories are links
(lrwxrwxrwx) to the private archive directories which contain the actual
archives. Those directories are drwxrwsr-x. The files are 755.
> It is not clear to my why a help command to the -request address would
> try to lock the archive. Is (was) 2271 the pid of CommandRunner?
>
>   
No, it is 2273. I'm not sure I understand this question. The pid would
depend on when qrunner was launched. I have stopped and started mailman
several times so the pid could be anything, couldn't it?

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From brad at shub-internet.org  Fri Oct 24 17:12:24 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:12:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking a person from getting a single email
In-Reply-To: <4900BD5B.9050405@nazmail.com>
References: <4900BD5B.9050405@nazmail.com>
Message-ID: <4901E5D8.1010501@shub-internet.org>

Kevin Rector wrote:

> I've checked the documentation and it seems like this is the best plan
> but I'd thought I'd get y'alls input.

Hmm.  Sounds about like:

	If we hold our mouth right, and we hop up and down while
	spinning in a triangle-wise manner, and throat-sing
	"Hava Nagila" while drinking ten gallons of the worst rot-gut
	Tequila, we think this will work.  But we wanted to check
	with you.

I wouldn't recommend either procedure for any particular purpose, and if 
you're on a University campus and you're trying to get someone else to do 
something like this then you might get arrested for "hazing".


For what you want to achieve, why not just set up a separate mailing lists 
with all the same subscribers (except the intended victim), closed archives, 
and a different listowner password?

There's still a number of different ways that things could leak out of that 
idea, but at least it's got a few smaller holes than depending on the victim 
not reading the archives, no one else responding to the message after his 
delivery is turned back on, etc....

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 24 18:00:06 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:00:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Migrating Mailman to New Server
In-Reply-To: <4901E3B9.5060007@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102409000605003cf46fba@msapiro>

Dennis Putnam wrote:
>
>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> Prior to 2.1.10, check_perms had a bug and didn't check the owner and
>> group permissions on the archives/private directory itself.
>>
>> Permissions should be 2771 or maybe 2770 (drwxrws--x or drwxrws---). If=
>
>> archives/private is not o+x, it needs to be owned by the web server
>> for public archive URLs to work.
>> 
>I changed it to 2771 (I just needed too do a chmod o-r).


Then that wasn't the problem.


>> Subordinate directories should be 2775 (drwxrwsr-x) and subordinate
>> files 0664 (-rw-rw-r--) except for the archives/private/*/database/
>> directory and subordinate files which should not have 'other'
>> permissions.
>>  
>OK, this is confusing. The public archive directories are links
>(lrwxrwxrwx) to the private archive directories which contain the actual
>archives. Those directories are drwxrwsr-x. The files are 755.


If the files are 755, that's OK, but they aren't executable so they
really should be 644.

And yes, the contents of archives/public are symlinks (the permissions
of which are irrelevant). That's so archives can be changed from
public to private and vice versa by just removing/creating symlinks.


>> It is not clear to my why a help command to the -request address would
>> try to lock the archive. Is (was) 2271 the pid of CommandRunner?
>>
>> 
>No, it is 2273. I'm not sure I understand this question. The pid would
>depend on when qrunner was launched. I have stopped and started mailman
>several times so the pid could be anything, couldn't it?


Yes, that's why I said "(was)". However, if CommandRunner is now 2773,
it is likely that 2771 is another runner and was at the time. In any
case, 2771 was the pid of the process that tried to create the lock.

I asked, because I don't believe that the

IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman/database/2008-October-date.lock.dap002.2271.2'

error came from your 'help' command mailed to -request. In any case,
where did this error come from?. If it is in Mailman's error log,
there should also be a traceback. What is that?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 24 18:27:28 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:27:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + postfix + Debian -> does not
	deliverany messages
In-Reply-To: <d47683e10810231945vffdb6cav1ae01542bc0b3e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810240927280609d219837d@msapiro>

Bruno Guimar?es Sousa wrote:

>I am sorry, i posted it wrong. It is un-commented
>But it is solved now
>I don't know if i upgraded any package coz /etc/aliases had to be in a
>diferent syntax:
>
>*profs-val:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post profs-val"*

The colon ":" is correct it should be on all the aliases, not just the
posting address.

>profs-val-admin "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin profs-val"
>profs-val-bounces "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces profs-val"
>profs-val-confirm "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm profs-val"
>profs-val-join "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join profs-val"
>profs-val-leave "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave profs-val"
>profs-val-owner "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner profs-val"
>profs-val-request "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request profs-val"
>profs-val-subscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe profs-val"
>profs-val-unsubscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe profs-val"


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Fri Oct 24 20:23:25 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:23:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How did I break my mailman?
Message-ID: <A01D36F0A17145EAAFDEF3FD94FF00FE@gregsrocket>

I took an existing mailman web account that was working just fine and moved
it from our test directory to our production directory. Mailman remains
unchanged. Relative paths are all the same as they were before. I checked
that. Subscriptions still work (as long as "confirm" is turned off in the
privacy options) and all the admin functions seem to work as well. 

 

Yet, suddenly mailman seems unable to send out emails to any of its
subscribers. It can't even send out new subscriber confirmation emails or
"your message was held for approval emails".  In fact when I tried to turn
enrollment confirmation on, pretty much everything stopped working but when
I turned it back off again then users could once again sign up; but none of
the messages mailman should be sending out to list members are actually
getting mailed. 

 

All this stuff worked FINE yesterday before the move; so somehow this is
clearly related to the move; but I'm not exactly sure what could be wrong.
Any troubleshooting suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'd like to
answer these questions:

 

1.	Why don't confirmations work? 
2.	2. Why can't mailman send emails to list members? 

 

Thanks!

 


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 24 20:34:11 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:34:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How did I break my mailman?
In-Reply-To: <A01D36F0A17145EAAFDEF3FD94FF00FE@gregsrocket>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810241134110078560c6e19@msapiro>

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>All this stuff worked FINE yesterday before the move; so somehow this is
>clearly related to the move; but I'm not exactly sure what could be wrong.
>Any troubleshooting suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'd like to
>answer these questions:


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9> for a troubleshooting
check list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Oct 24 20:35:38 2008
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:35:38 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How did I break my mailman?
In-Reply-To: <A01D36F0A17145EAAFDEF3FD94FF00FE@gregsrocket>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0810241234460.15457-100000@ivanhoe.pcraft.com>

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:

> All this stuff worked FINE yesterday before the move; so somehow this is
> clearly related to the move; but I'm not exactly sure what could be wrong.
> Any troubleshooting suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'd like to
> answer these questions:
> 
> 1.	Why don't confirmations work? 
> 2.	2. Why can't mailman send emails to list members? 

	Did you by any chance forget to (re)install the crontab that runs 
most of Mailman's background tasks?


-- 
L | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
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From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 24 21:23:11 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:23:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How did I break my mailman?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0810241234460.15457-100000@ivanhoe.pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810241223110640c1cd704b@msapiro>

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>> All this stuff worked FINE yesterday before the move; so somehow this is
>> clearly related to the move; but I'm not exactly sure what could be wrong.
>> Any troubleshooting suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'd like to
>> answer these questions:
>> 
>> 1.	Why don't confirmations work? 
>> 2.	2. Why can't mailman send emails to list members? 
>
>	Did you by any chance forget to (re)install the crontab that runs 
>most of Mailman's background tasks?


Mailman 2.1.x does not rely on cron for anything to do with mail
delivery except for periodic digests and the news->mail gateway.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Fri Oct 24 21:38:07 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:38:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How did I break my mailman?
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810241134110078560c6e19@msapiro>
Message-ID: <64B4DD79A8DD40B7AC13980913597F05@gregsrocket>

Thanks Mark... obviously one of those things was exactly the enema mailman
needed because as soon as I finished them (and restarted our server) I found
a whole boatload of emails in each of my test subscriber inboxes. I guess
that means all the other list members probably got them too. 

Although I've absolutely nothing that should have changed permissions in
DAYS now (and when I last checked permissions, it was clean, check_perms
still did find a single permissions error on aliases.db 

Could THAT have somehow been the cause of mailman's sudden bout of email
constipation? If so, do you any idea what might have caused the permission
change when I'd done nothing to those files?

I'm going back to do some further testing now, but it looks like we managed
to break the log jam.

Thanks again.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 12:34 PM
To: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How did I break my mailman?

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>All this stuff worked FINE yesterday before the move; so somehow this is
>clearly related to the move; but I'm not exactly sure what could be wrong.
>Any troubleshooting suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'd like to
>answer these questions:


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9> for a troubleshooting
check list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 24 21:52:50 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:52:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How did I break my mailman?
In-Reply-To: <64B4DD79A8DD40B7AC13980913597F05@gregsrocket>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810241252500609c1cd7053@msapiro>

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:

>Thanks Mark... obviously one of those things was exactly the enema mailman
>needed because as soon as I finished them (and restarted our server) I found
>a whole boatload of emails in each of my test subscriber inboxes. I guess
>that means all the other list members probably got them too. 
>
>Although I've absolutely nothing that should have changed permissions in
>DAYS now (and when I last checked permissions, it was clean, check_perms
>still did find a single permissions error on aliases.db 
>
>Could THAT have somehow been the cause of mailman's sudden bout of email
>constipation? If so, do you any idea what might have caused the permission
>change when I'd done nothing to those files?


Creating/deleting lists with MTA = 'Postfix' updates data/aliases and
then runs POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD (default '/usr/sbin/postalias') to update
aliases.db. This can change the ownership/permissions on aliases.db,
but it shouldn't cause any problem, and if it did cause a problem, it
would cause Postfix to reject incoming mail; it wouldn't affect
outgoing mail delivery.

The likely cause of no outgoing mail in this case is OutgoingRunner not
running or hung waiting for an SMTP response from the outgoing MTA.

Check Mailman's 'error', 'qrunner' and 'smtp-failure' logs for any
error reports.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Fri Oct 24 22:32:25 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:32:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the archive
	process running?
Message-ID: <9ED4D1C71DA543428BAC44F7C960F98F@gregsrocket>

Okay, so now that I've got finally mailman moved and running on the new
server and working with postfix and apache2 and sending and receiving emails
and all that basic "stuff", I still have one question I haven't been able to
answer.

 

I seem to be missing two full months worth of archives. From what I can tell
looking at my backups, it appears that the last time the archive process
actually ran on our old server was in early August. 

 

Then for some reason it stopped funning and thee have been no archive
updates since then. I suspect those "lost messages" aren't really lost at
all but are merely caught in some sort of internal blockage in mailman. What
I'm trying to figure out here is how to clear the clogged drain pipe and get
the archive working again. 

 

When I first installed the backup from the old server to the new one and
then checked the list's configuration parameters, I saw some parameters on
the Archiving options page that provided for "rebuilding" the archive. But
now those options seem to have disappeared now too.

 

Can Mark or someone else tell me how I go about figuring out where my
missing messages have gone and get the archive working again as it should
be?

 

Thanks.


From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 24 23:49:48 2008
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:49:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Migrating Mailman to New Server
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008102409000605003cf46fba@msapiro>
References: <PC18702008102409000605003cf46fba@msapiro>
Message-ID: <490242FC.3070108@bellsouth.net>

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From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 25 01:50:42 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:50:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archiveprocess running?
In-Reply-To: <9ED4D1C71DA543428BAC44F7C960F98F@gregsrocket>
Message-ID: <PC187020081024165042053404d68280@msapiro>

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>I seem to be missing two full months worth of archives. From what I can tell
>looking at my backups, it appears that the last time the archive process
>actually ran on our old server was in early August. 
>
> 
>
>Then for some reason it stopped funning and thee have been no archive
>updates since then. I suspect those "lost messages" aren't really lost at
>all but are merely caught in some sort of internal blockage in mailman. What
>I'm trying to figure out here is how to clear the clogged drain pipe and get
>the archive working again. 


There are a few possibilities:

1) ArchiveRunner died on the old server in early August. In this case,
the messages would be on the old server in the qfiles/arch/ directory.
If that is the case, you could just move the contents of that
directory to the corresponding directory on the new server and that
should do it.

2) Some error was shunting the archived messages in which case they may
be in qfiles/shunt/ and they may or may not be in the individual
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox files. If the messages
are in qfiles/shunt/, you could just move them and rin bin/unshunt,
but you need to be careful as not all the files in qfiles/shunt/ may
be messages you want. You can look at these entries with
bin/show_qfiles or bin/dumpdb.

If the messages are in the listname.mbox files, the easiest thing is
probably to rebuild the archives with bin/arch --wipe.


>When I first installed the backup from the old server to the new one and
>then checked the list's configuration parameters, I saw some parameters on
>the Archiving options page that provided for "rebuilding" the archive. But
>now those options seem to have disappeared now too.


I don't know what you say, but there's nothing in the web Archiving
Options page about rebuilding archives.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 25 04:16:44 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:16:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't
	thearchiveprocess running?
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081024165042053404d68280@msapiro>
Message-ID: <PC187020081024191644064354e26e2f@msapiro>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>I don't know what you say, but there's nothing in the web Archiving
>Options page about rebuilding archives.


That should be "I don't know what you saw, ..."

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Sat Oct 25 14:32:39 2008
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:32:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Migrating Mailman to New Server
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008102409000605003cf46fba@msapiro>
References: <PC18702008102409000605003cf46fba@msapiro>
Message-ID: <490311E7.6080808@bellsouth.net>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> OK, this is confusing. The public archive directories are links
>> (lrwxrwxrwx) to the private archive directories which contain the actual
>> archives. Those directories are drwxrwsr-x. The files are 755.
>>     
>
>
> If the files are 755, that's OK, but they aren't executable so they
> really should be 644.
>   
Sorry. They are indeed 644. Brain was out to lunch.
>   
>
>
> Yes, that's why I said "(was)". However, if CommandRunner is now 2773,
> it is likely that 2771 is another runner and was at the time. In any
> case, 2771 was the pid of the process that tried to create the lock.
>
> I asked, because I don't believe that the
>
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman/database/2008-October-date.lock.dap002.2271.2'
>
> error came from your 'help' command mailed to -request. In any case,
> where did this error come from?. If it is in Mailman's error log,
> there should also be a traceback. What is that?
>
>   
OK, now I understand what you are asking. I restarted mailman and let it
run for several minutes with no error in /var/log/mailman/error. Then I
submitted a help to -request. That is when the error occurred. I suppose
it might mot be the help request per se but rather anything that causes
mailman to do something. I tried to run a couple of other commands and
they all do the same thing. I am reluctant to actually send a test to
the list out of fear it might destroy something and make matters worse.
Here is the traceback.

Oct 24 17:30:09 2008 (5961) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13]
Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman/database/2008-October-date.lock.dap002.5961.1'
Oct 24 17:30:09 2008 (5961) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose
    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 216, in
ArchiveMail
    h.processUnixMailbox(f)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 580, in
processUnixMailbox
    self.add_article(a)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 632, in
add_article
    article.parentID = parentID = self.get_parent_info(arch, article)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 664, in
get_parent_info
    article.subject)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 311,
in getOldestArticle
    self.__openIndices(archive)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 251,
in __openIndices
    t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i))
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 61, in
__init__
    self.lock()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 77, in
lock
    self.lockfile.lock()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman/database/2008-October-date.lock.dap002.5961.1'

Oct 24 17:30:09 2008 (5961) SHUNTING:
1224883807.7050669+416c5717ff6f07bcc5748843bf07afb92dc4b212

Here is the process (shouldn't this be running as 'mailman'?):

mail      5961  0.1  0.7  11100  7356 ?        R    17:28   0:00
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s

Thanks for your patience and continued help.


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From brgsousa at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 19:19:18 2008
From: brgsousa at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bruno_Guimar=E3es_Sousa?=)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:19:18 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + postfix + Debian -> does not
	deliverany messages
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810240927280609d219837d@msapiro>
References: <d47683e10810231945vffdb6cav1ae01542bc0b3e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1870200810240927280609d219837d@msapiro>
Message-ID: <d47683e10810241019j24664fcfg2d47ffb5ed6bc0c2@mail.gmail.com>

Somehow it used to work i don't know how

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> Bruno Guimar?es Sousa wrote:
>
> >I am sorry, i posted it wrong. It is un-commented
> >But it is solved now
> >I don't know if i upgraded any package coz /etc/aliases had to be in a
> >diferent syntax:
> >
> >*profs-val:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post profs-val"*
>
> The colon ":" is correct it should be on all the aliases, not just the
> posting address.
>
> >profs-val-admin "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin profs-val"
> >profs-val-bounces "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces profs-val"
> >profs-val-confirm "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm profs-val"
> >profs-val-join "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join profs-val"
> >profs-val-leave "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave profs-val"
> >profs-val-owner "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner profs-val"
> >profs-val-request "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request profs-val"
> >profs-val-subscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe profs-val"
> >profs-val-unsubscribe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
> profs-val"
>
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>


-- 
Bruno Guimar?es Sousa
www.brunosousa.co.nr
COINF-CEFET-BA
Ci?ncia da Computa??o UFBA
Registered Linux user #465914

From slund348 at pobox.com  Sun Oct 26 02:47:13 2008
From: slund348 at pobox.com (Steve Lund)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:47:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Giving Non-Administrator Access To Simple Admin
	Functions
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081025202130.02556c60@pop-server.nc.rr.com>

Hello,

I am currently administering a small Mailman 2.11 list for our volunteer 
organization. Another individual needs the basic ability to 
subscribe,  unsubscribe and possibly list members. This person thinks that 
they are a lot more computer literate than they are and I don't want to 
give them the password to the web configuration interface for fear that 
they will mess something up that will take me hours to figure out and fix.

I am an embedded hardware engineer and not a programmer but I am careful 
enough not to change settings or list parameters without thoroughly testing 
the changes. So far I have managed to stay out of trouble! :-)

Is it possible to do these rudimentary functions via the e-mail interface? 
If so can you point me to some documentation on how to do this? The only 
information I have found on the email interface seems to be directed to an 
individual user changing their own parameters and not to admin functions.

Would I then have to add this person as an administrator and then just not 
tell them about the other email commands or the existence of the web interface?

Any other suggestions?


Thanks,

Steve

P.S. These admins and users are all on Windows boxes so any solution cannot 
be Linux specific.


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct 26 19:57:57 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:57:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Migrating Mailman to New Server
In-Reply-To: <490311E7.6080808@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <PC187020081026115757003146e55c58@msapiro>

Dennis Putnam wrote:

>OK, now I understand what you are asking. I restarted mailman and let it
>run for several minutes with no error in /var/log/mailman/error. Then I
>submitted a help to -request. That is when the error occurred. I suppose
>it might mot be the help request per se but rather anything that causes
>mailman to do something. I tried to run a couple of other commands and
>they all do the same thing. I am reluctant to actually send a test to
>the list out of fear it might destroy something and make matters worse.
>Here is the traceback.
>
>Oct 24 17:30:09 2008 (5961) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13]
>Permission denied:
>'/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman/database/2008-October-date.lock.dap002.5961.1'
>Oct 24 17:30:09 2008 (5961) Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, in _oneloop
>    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, in _onefile
>    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose
>    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 216, in
>ArchiveMail
>    h.processUnixMailbox(f)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 580, in
>processUnixMailbox
>    self.add_article(a)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 632, in
>add_article
>    article.parentID = parentID = self.get_parent_info(arch, article)
>
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 664, in
>get_parent_info
>    article.subject)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 311,
>in getOldestArticle
>    self.__openIndices(archive)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 251,
>in __openIndices
>    t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i))
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 61, in
>__init__
>    self.lock()
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 77, in
>lock
>    self.lockfile.lock()
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock
>    self.__write()
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write
>    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
>'/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman/database/2008-October-date.lock.dap002.5961.1'
>
>Oct 24 17:30:09 2008 (5961) SHUNTING:
>1224883807.7050669+416c5717ff6f07bcc5748843bf07afb92dc4b212


ArchRunner is trying to archive a message it found in qfiles/archive/.
It has encountered the lock permission denied and moved the message to
qfiles/shunt/1224883807.7050669+416c5717ff6f07bcc5748843bf07afb92dc4b212.pck
 What is the message (use bin/dumpdb or bin/show_qfiles to see it).


>Here is the process (shouldn't this be running as 'mailman'?):
>
>mail      5961  0.1  0.7  11100  7356 ?        R    17:28   0:00
>/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s


How are you starting Mailman. Are you running bin/mailmanctl as root or
starting it as a 'service' as root?

If so, it should be setting the uid and gid of itself and the runners
as those of MAILMAN_USER and MAILMAN_GROUP from Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py
and supplemental groups as those associated with MAILMAN_USER.

So, if I understand your configuration, MAILMAN_USER:MAILMAN_GROUP are
mailman:mail. If that's correct, I would expect the runners to be
running as user 'mailman'. That may be the cause of the permissions
error.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct 26 20:21:38 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:21:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Giving Non-Administrator Access To Simple
	AdminFunctions
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081025202130.02556c60@pop-server.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <PC187020081026122138000046e55c26@msapiro>

Steve Lund wrote:
>
>I am currently administering a small Mailman 2.11 list for our volunteer 
>organization. Another individual needs the basic ability to 
>subscribe,  unsubscribe and possibly list members. This person thinks that 
>they are a lot more computer literate than they are and I don't want to 
>give them the password to the web configuration interface for fear that 
>they will mess something up that will take me hours to figure out and fix.
>
>I am an embedded hardware engineer and not a programmer but I am careful 
>enough not to change settings or list parameters without thoroughly testing 
>the changes. So far I have managed to stay out of trouble! :-)
>
>Is it possible to do these rudimentary functions via the e-mail interface? 
>If so can you point me to some documentation on how to do this? The only 
>information I have found on the email interface seems to be directed to an 
>individual user changing their own parameters and not to admin functions.


There is no e-mail interface for list admin tasks per-se, but the admin
can list members via email and can _request_ subscription and
unsubscription via email, but these latter function will send a
confirmation request to the user and the user must confirm.

Send a blank email with subject 'help' to the listname-request address
for documentation of the email commands available.


>Would I then have to add this person as an administrator and then just not 
>tell them about the other email commands or the existence of the web interface?


For subscribe and unsubscribe, the person doesn't need any privileges.
The relevant email commands are

  subscribe [password] [digest|nodigest] [address=<address>]

<address> is the address to subscribe. password is not for
authentication; it is the initial list password for the user. This
results in a confirmation request to <address>.

  unsubscribe [password] [address=<address>]

<address> is the address to unsubscribe. password is the list password
associated with <address> if known. If the password is provided
correctly, <address> will be unsubscribed. Otherwise, a confirmation
request will be sent to <address>.

To get a membership list, you can set a list moderator password
different from the list admin password and give the moderator password
to this person. You don't add this person to the list's 'moderator'
attribute unless you want her/him to also get notices about posts,
etc. waitin moderator action. The moderator password will allow the
person to authenticate for the list's admindb interface, but she/he
can't change list settings from there.

Then the person can send

  who password

to the list-request address to get a full list of members (hidden or
not), where password is the moderator password.


That's the best you can do by email. Otherwise, you have to give the
person the list admin password, and they have to use the admin
Membership Management pages, and of course, they have access to all
the rest.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From atann at gmx.net  Mon Oct 27 11:14:15 2008
From: atann at gmx.net (Andre Tann)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:14:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman doesn't post messages anymore
Message-ID: <200810271114.15555@inter.netz>

Hello everyone,

there is a mailman problem on my machine which i cannot really 
locate. I can send a mail to one of the lists. The mail is 
delivered to mailman. But then as I see in the postfix logs, the 
mail never returns back to the postfix system.

Instead, mailman produces errors like these:

# cat /var/lib/mailman/logs/post | tail -1
Oct 27 11:03:33 2008 (5104) post to testliste from mail at xxx, 
size=2150, message-id=<200810270909.31448 at inter>, 4 failures

The list "testliste" has 4 recipients, that's why the 4 failures, I 
think.


In the smtp-failure-log I see things like this:

# cat /var/lib/mailman/logs/smtp-failure
Oct 26 21:03:02 2008 (5104) delivery to <one-adress> failed with 
code -1: please run connect() first
Oct 26 21:03:02 2008 (5104) delivery to <another-adress> failed with 
code -1: (111, 'Connection refused')
Oct 26 21:03:02 2008 (5104) delivery to <again-another-adress> 
failed with code -1: please run connect() first



Can anybody tell me what's going on here? Where can I start my 
search?

The postfix mail system seems to be working fine. Mail are going in 
and out, as usual.



-- 
Andre Tann


From atann at gmx.net  Mon Oct 27 12:09:36 2008
From: atann at gmx.net (Andre Tann)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:09:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solved: Re: Mailman doesn't post messages anymore
In-Reply-To: <200810271114.15555@inter.netz>
References: <200810271114.15555@inter.netz>
Message-ID: <200810271209.36739@inter.netz>

Andre Tann, Montag, 27. Oktober 2008 11:14: 

> Can anybody tell me what's going on here? Where can I start my
> search?

OK... Postfix did not listen to localhost, where Mailman tried to 
deliver the mails to...


-- 
Andre Tann


From dnovotny at redhat.com  Mon Oct 27 11:49:36 2008
From: dnovotny at redhat.com (Daniel Novotny)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:49:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] msg_footer and standard message signature question
In-Reply-To: <1178876704.3570561225104306816.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <462422730.3570921225104576745.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>

hello,

we have stumbled upon a problem, that in msg_footer, 
Mailman discards the space at the end of the signature delimiter "-- ", 
which should be two dashes and space,
according to http://www.guckes.net/mail/sig.etiquette.html#sigdashes

the code (Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py) says
 text = re.sub(r' *\r?\n', r'\n', template % d)
so all the spaces before newline are eaten by the regex:
is there any specific reason to strip the spaces? 
The previous version of mailman just changed \r\n to \n ...

We want to correct the signature problem, but we don't want any
regression...

thanks and regards,

 Daniel Novotny

From jclark at globalmoxie.com  Mon Oct 27 11:29:54 2008
From: jclark at globalmoxie.com (Josh Clark)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:29:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages shunted with "TypeError: decoding Unicode
	is not supported"
Message-ID: <6582EB62-40CE-4709-A842-68F79D2EE706@globalmoxie.com>

Hi,

I'm having trouble sending a message from one of my lists using  
Mailman 2.1.11. The message itself is entirely ascii and sent with the  
US-ASCII charset, but it's failing with a "unicode is not supported"  
error. My (extremely unsophisticated) reading of the error log leads  
me to believe that the problem ise happening when the footer is  
applied to the message, but the footer text is also ascii.

Any ideas or suggestions would be much appreciated!

 From the error log:

Oct 27 05:15:16 2008 (2734) Uncaught runner exception: decoding  
Unicode is not supported
Oct 27 05:15:16 2008 (2734) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in  
_oneloop
     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in  
_onefile
     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 74,  
in _dispose
     self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 159,  
in process
     deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 292,  
in verpdeliver
     Decorate.process(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 102,  
in process
     ufooter = unicode(footer, lcset, 'ignore')
TypeError: decoding Unicode is not supported

Oct 27 05:15:16 2008 (2734) SHUNTING:  
1225102514.5674801+43301f942e02e78abe431e7148223e1c0165fe58


Many thanks for your help. All best,
Josh



From marco.lechner at geographie.uni-freiburg.de  Sun Oct 26 11:33:34 2008
From: marco.lechner at geographie.uni-freiburg.de (Marco Lechner)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:33:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] import pipermail archive into SQL-based Database
Message-ID: <4904477E.6050102@geographie.uni-freiburg.de>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

hi list,
i'm searching for a way (script, software, ...) to import a
pipermail-archive (formated like the archives of this list) into a
relational SQL-database (MySQL or PostgreSQL) incl. the thread- and
date-based structure.
For my PhD I want to analyse a mailinglist on specific topics searching
for keywords, ... and do some statistics on it.

Any ideas?

Marco Lechner
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkkER3kACgkQRTmqCdK7E6qkBACfXa/i8Pni3n9jX/+6oY5A2X7X
F7oAoMM8uAgqEp1MYC3HsJC4HDcNe4xV
=Uu37
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From moseley at hank.org  Sun Oct 26 15:27:39 2008
From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:27:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "mailmain" list oddity
Message-ID: <20081026142738.GA7603@hank.org>

Mailman version 2.1.8

I administer mailman on a few domains, and on one I receive a lot of
spam seemingly sent to the mailman@ list.  I can work on my spam
filters, but I'm trying to understand the path the mail is taking
through mailman.

The mailman@ list has only me as the admin and NO members.

I have just a handful of lists on this machine: users@, dev@, svn@,
etc.

When mail is sent to mailman@ I get a message with the following
headers:

    Return-path: mailman-bounces@
    Envelope-to: <my email address>
    X-Original-To: mailman@
    Delivered-To: users-owner@

The body of the message is simply the sender's body only -- it's not a
mailman-generated message (e.g. approval message).

In my sender filters I have:

    generic_nonmember_action: hold


My question is why is mail to mailmain@ seemingly getting delivered to
users-owner@?



Another thing I'm finding curious:  I have RFC2369 headers enabled on
all lists (including the "mailman" site list).  And indeed messages on
the other (e.g. users@) lists include these headers.  But mail sent to
mailman@ does not include these headers.  Why is that?  Because
List-Post, List-Subscribe, etc. have no uses for the mailman list?




-- 
Bill Moseley
moseley at hank.org
Sent from my iMutt


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 27 18:29:38 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:29:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] msg_footer and standard message signature
	question
In-Reply-To: <462422730.3570921225104576745.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810271029380078ec9c27b4@msapiro>

Daniel Novotny wrote:
>
>we have stumbled upon a problem, that in msg_footer, 
>Mailman discards the space at the end of the signature delimiter "-- ", 
>which should be two dashes and space,
>according to http://www.guckes.net/mail/sig.etiquette.html#sigdashes
>
>the code (Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py) says
> text = re.sub(r' *\r?\n', r'\n', template % d)
>so all the spaces before newline are eaten by the regex:
>is there any specific reason to strip the spaces? 
>The previous version of mailman just changed \r\n to \n ...
>
>We want to correct the signature problem, but we don't want any
>regression...


Yes. We strip the spaces because we now preserve format=flowed in the
Content-Type: header, but we don't want to flow the footer. But, we
went too far in stripping the space from a signature leadin.

Change the "text =" line above to

        text = re.sub(r'(?m)(?<!^--) +(?=\n)', '',
                      re.sub(r'\r\n', r'\n', template % d))

This fix has been committed for the next release.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 27 18:45:35 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:45:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages shunted with "TypeError: decoding
	Unicodeis not supported"
In-Reply-To: <6582EB62-40CE-4709-A842-68F79D2EE706@globalmoxie.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810271045350015a8a5ca72@msapiro>

Josh Clark wrote:
>
>I'm having trouble sending a message from one of my lists using  
>Mailman 2.1.11. The message itself is entirely ascii and sent with the  
>US-ASCII charset, but it's failing with a "unicode is not supported"  
>error. My (extremely unsophisticated) reading of the error log leads  
>me to believe that the problem ise happening when the footer is  
>applied to the message, but the footer text is also ascii.
>
>Any ideas or suggestions would be much appreciated!
>
> From the error log:
>
>Oct 27 05:15:16 2008 (2734) Uncaught runner exception: decoding  
>Unicode is not supported
>Oct 27 05:15:16 2008 (2734) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in  
>_oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in  
>_onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 74,  
>in _dispose
>     self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 159,  
>in process
>     deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 292,  
>in verpdeliver
>     Decorate.process(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 102,  
>in process
>     ufooter = unicode(footer, lcset, 'ignore')
>TypeError: decoding Unicode is not supported
>
>Oct 27 05:15:16 2008 (2734) SHUNTING:  
>1225102514.5674801+43301f942e02e78abe431e7148223e1c0165fe58


Is your Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py unmodified?

What is happening is we are attempting to convert the footer which is
the result of interpolating the %(...)s replacements into msg_footer
into a unicode string, but it is already a unicode string.

It is unclear to me how this is happening.

What do you see as the value of msg_footer from the output of

 bin/config_list -o - listname | grep -A10 msg_footer

Does it begin with u""" ?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jclark at globalmoxie.com  Mon Oct 27 19:01:26 2008
From: jclark at globalmoxie.com (Josh Clark)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:01:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages shunted with "TypeError: decoding
	Unicodeis not supported"
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810271045350015a8a5ca72@msapiro>
References: <PC1870200810271045350015a8a5ca72@msapiro>
Message-ID: <297982AC-FA5D-4474-9476-6DF02F7654B9@globalmoxie.com>

Hi Mark,

Many thanks for your help.

> Is your Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py unmodified?

This is an unmodified installation.

> What do you see as the value of msg_footer from the output of

> bin/config_list -o - listname | grep -A10 msg_footer

Here's what I get:

$ bin/config_list -o - moxiemail | grep -A10 msg_footer
msg_footer = """_______________________________________________
You are subscribed to this mailing list as %(user_address)s
To edit your subscription options or to unsubscribe, visit:
%(user_optionsurl)s"""

# When you scrub attachments, they are stored in archive area and links
# are made in the message so that the member can access via web browser.
# If you want the attachments totally disappear, you can use content
# filter options.
#
# legal values are:

Also, I should have noted in my original messge that this installation  
was recently moved from another server, and I believe that my failed  
attempt is actually the first message that's being sent to the list  
through the new setup (it's used as a broadcast newsletter list, not  
as a discussion list).

In case this is relevant, the original server was running a previous  
version of 2.1.x (not sure which version precisely, sorry). I  
installed 2.1.11 on the new server and then copied the contents of  
lists and archives/private from the old to the new, running "bin/ 
check_perms -f" afterward.

Thanks again for helping to troubleshoot this issue, it's much  
appreciated.

All best,
Josh


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 27 22:10:40 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:10:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "mailmain" list oddity
In-Reply-To: <20081026142738.GA7603@hank.org>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810271410400828c6114964@msapiro>

Bill Moseley wrote:

>Mailman version 2.1.8
>
>I administer mailman on a few domains, and on one I receive a lot of
>spam seemingly sent to the mailman@ list.  I can work on my spam
>filters, but I'm trying to understand the path the mail is taking
>through mailman.
>
>The mailman@ list has only me as the admin and NO members.


Then posts to the list won't be delivered to anyone.


>I have just a handful of lists on this machine: users@, dev@, svn@,
>etc.
>
>When mail is sent to mailman@ I get a message with the following
>headers:
>
>    Return-path: mailman-bounces@
>    Envelope-to: <my email address>
>    X-Original-To: mailman@
>    Delivered-To: users-owner@
>
>The body of the message is simply the sender's body only -- it's not a
>mailman-generated message (e.g. approval message).
>
>In my sender filters I have:
>
>    generic_nonmember_action: hold
>
>
>My question is why is mail to mailmain@ seemingly getting delivered to
>users-owner@?


My first guess, assuming you've verified the above by actually sending
your own message to mailman at ..., is that your MTA aliases or whatever
are piping mail sent to mailman at ... to

"/path/to/mail/mailman owner users"

instead of

"/path/to/mail/mailman post mailman"



>Another thing I'm finding curious:  I have RFC2369 headers enabled on
>all lists (including the "mailman" site list).  And indeed messages on
>the other (e.g. users@) lists include these headers.  But mail sent to
>mailman@ does not include these headers.  Why is that?  Because
>List-Post, List-Subscribe, etc. have no uses for the mailman list?


The List-* headers are included in mail actually delivered from the
mailman list unless the list attribute include_rfc2369_headers is set
to No as is also the case for other lists. So if
include_rfc2369_headers is set to Yes for the mailman list, this is
additional evidence that the mail is not coming from the list.

What do you see in Mailman's 'post' and 'smtp' logs for one of these
messages?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 27 22:25:41 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:25:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "mailmain" list oddity
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810271410400828c6114964@msapiro>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810271425410171a2f64d94@msapiro>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Bill Moseley wrote:
>
>>My question is why is mail to mailmain@ seemingly getting delivered to
>>users-owner@?
>
>
>My first guess, assuming you've verified the above by actually sending
>your own message to mailman at ..., is that your MTA aliases or whatever
>are piping mail sent to mailman at ... to
>
>"/path/to/mail/mailman owner users"
>
>instead of
>
>"/path/to/mail/mailman post mailman"


Actually, that specific alias wouldn't account for the (Postfix ?)

Delivered-To: users-owner@

header, but I still think it is some alias or whatever in the MTA that
is redirecting the mail from mailman at ... to users-owner at ...

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu  Mon Oct 27 22:41:21 2008
From: jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu (jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:41:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Command output: local: fatal: execvp
 /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman: Permission denied )
Message-ID: <f9e24a6d8471.8471f9e24a6d@washburn.edu>

When I create a new list and put my email address, I do receive a
confirmation.  I can deliver mail as root also from my server.  Once I
try and post to the list is when nothing happens, just a bounce back
saying the "Connection is refused." The only clue I can see if the
following in my maillog:

Command output: local: fatal: execvp /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman:
Permission denied 

I read the above error means postfix does not have permissions to access
the mailman wrappers.

Before I post this question to a postfix listserv, I wanted to confirm
my permissions were correct.  Here is what I have for
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman:

-rwxrwsr-x  1 mailman mailman 16887 Oct 15 09:10 mailman

My aliases.db file is owned by root.

I am running...
Red Hat 5.1
Postfix 2.3.3
Mailman 2.1.11

Also, when I run check_perms - f as root it says "no problems found"

Jewel

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 27 23:10:09 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:10:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages shunted with "TypeError:
	decodingUnicodeis not supported"
In-Reply-To: <297982AC-FA5D-4474-9476-6DF02F7654B9@globalmoxie.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810271510090531fe3cefdc@msapiro>

Josh Clark wrote:
>
>Also, I should have noted in my original messge that this installation  
>was recently moved from another server, and I believe that my failed  
>attempt is actually the first message that's being sent to the list  
>through the new setup (it's used as a broadcast newsletter list, not  
>as a discussion list).
>
>In case this is relevant, the original server was running a previous  
>version of 2.1.x (not sure which version precisely, sorry). I  
>installed 2.1.11 on the new server and then copied the contents of  
>lists and archives/private from the old to the new, running "bin/ 
>check_perms -f" afterward.
>
>Thanks again for helping to troubleshoot this issue, it's much  
>appreciated.


Try applying the attached Decorate.patch.txt patch to
Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py and restart mailman.

Then try the post and report what you find in Mailman's 'debug' log.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 27 23:32:23 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:32:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Command output: local: fatal:
	execvp/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman: Permission denied )
In-Reply-To: <f9e24a6d8471.8471f9e24a6d@washburn.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810271532230703de2fe016@msapiro>

jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu wrote:

>When I create a new list and put my email address, I do receive a
>confirmation.  I can deliver mail as root also from my server.  Once I
>try and post to the list is when nothing happens, just a bounce back
>saying the "Connection is refused." The only clue I can see if the
>following in my maillog:
>
>Command output: local: fatal: execvp /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman:
>Permission denied 
>
>I read the above error means postfix does not have permissions to access
>the mailman wrappers.
>
>Before I post this question to a postfix listserv, I wanted to confirm
>my permissions were correct.  Here is what I have for
>/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman:
>
>-rwxrwsr-x  1 mailman mailman 16887 Oct 15 09:10 mailman
>
>My aliases.db file is owned by root.


I think this is the problem. If you have Mailman/Postfix integration,
so that Mailman's aliases are in Mailman's data/aliases and
data/aliases.db files, aliases.db needs to be owned by mailman, not
root.


>I am running...
>Red Hat 5.1
>Postfix 2.3.3
>Mailman 2.1.11
>
>Also, when I run check_perms - f as root it says "no problems found"


That's a flaw in check_perms. It only checks group on files and
directories, not owner, because owner doesn't matter except for this
one file.

Also, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/tYA9> in case you run into
a group mismatch after fixing the owner.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From cite+mailman-users at incertum.net  Tue Oct 28 10:28:20 2008
From: cite+mailman-users at incertum.net (Stefan =?utf-8?Q?F=C3=B6rster?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:28:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature reqeust for wiki.list.org - short URLs
Message-ID: <20081028092820.GD8273@mail.incertum.net>

Hello world,

first of all, the Mailman wiki at http://wiki.list.org/ is really very
helpful. I've come to find it's structure very clean and easy to
understand. Especially the FAQ part is very, very helpful and saved me
lots of time when trying to troubleshoot a problem.

But - there is one thing about the length of URLs. Let's consider for
example (long line incoming):

http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/4.16+How+do+I+prevent+duplicate+copies+of+email+coming+to+the+list

If I click on Tools -> Info, the wiki presents me the shorter URL:

http://wiki.list.org/x/eoA9

Do you think it's possible to modify the wiki code as to present this
shorter URL on every page so that one could copy the short link
without having to call Tools -> Info?


Cheers
Stefan

From jclark at globalmoxie.com  Tue Oct 28 11:24:15 2008
From: jclark at globalmoxie.com (Josh Clark)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:24:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages shunted with "TypeError:
	decodingUnicodeis not supported"
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810271510090531fe3cefdc@msapiro>
References: <PC1870200810271510090531fe3cefdc@msapiro>
Message-ID: <483038B4-467B-4023-B84B-AFC390963CB1@globalmoxie.com>

> Try applying the attached Decorate.patch.txt patch to
> Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py and restart mailman.
>
> Then try the post and report what you find in Mailman's 'debug' log.

Thanks again, Mark. Here's what shows up in the debug log (email  
address anonymized to protect the innocent; it was an unremarkable  
yahoo.com account).

$ cat debug
Oct 28 05:14:39 2008 (22325) msg_footer type: <type 'str'>
footer type: <type 'unicode'>
footer: _______________________________________________
You are subscribed to this mailing list as address at example.com
To edit your subscription options or to unsubscribe, visit:
http://mailman.example.com/mailman/options/moxiemail/address%40example.com

lcset: us-ascii

All best,
Josh

From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Tue Oct 28 15:03:39 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:03:39 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081024165042053404d68280@msapiro>
Message-ID: <A4F5775C78C5466F9795AC6408DA7CCB@gregsrocket>

First, I was wrong here. I was so horrified at the thought of having lost
all those old messages that I got the date wrong. It's actually worse than I
remembered. The last archive update appears to have happened in early
July... not early August. My last backup from the old server was September
28. It took 3 weeks for me to get mailman working again on the new host in
multi-domain (virtual host) mode. So there are 3 months worth of archive
updates that appear to be lost. I looked close at our 9/28 tar-ball backup
from the old server and there seems to be nothing in the qfiles/archive
directory at all. Indeed, there's nothing in qfiles/bad, bounces, command,
in, news, out, retry or virgin either. Shunt has a few pck files but they
all begin on 10/21 which is when mailman started running again on the new
server.

For the record, I see no evidence the cron for archive updates is running
now on the new server either. In fact from your comments, I'd say the pck
files in qfiles/shunt strongly suggest that it's NOT running or at least not
running correctly. Here's what I see when I look at the current mailman
archive/private/listname.mbox directory

   4 drwxrwsr-x 2 ourlist    mailman    4096 2008-10-28 06:34 .
   4 drwxrws--- 8 nobody     mailman    4096 2008-07-10 06:53 ..
   0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root       mailman      41 2008-10-28 06:34 arc ->
/www/ourlist/newtest/mailman archives/
5624 -rw-r--r-- 1 root       mailman 5743206 2008-07-07 06:22 ourlist.mbox

Note the date on the ourlist.mbox file. That's the last time the archive
process ran successfully.

Something is obviously wrong here; but I'm not sure exactly what.

Can you advise me, Mark?

Thanks.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 5:51 PM
To: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
archiveprocess running?

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>I seem to be missing two full months worth of archives. From what I can
tell
>looking at my backups, it appears that the last time the archive process
>actually ran on our old server was in early August. 
>
> 
>
>Then for some reason it stopped funning and thee have been no archive
>updates since then. I suspect those "lost messages" aren't really lost at
>all but are merely caught in some sort of internal blockage in mailman.
What
>I'm trying to figure out here is how to clear the clogged drain pipe and
get
>the archive working again. 


There are a few possibilities:

1) ArchiveRunner died on the old server in early August. In this case,
the messages would be on the old server in the qfiles/arch/ directory.
If that is the case, you could just move the contents of that
directory to the corresponding directory on the new server and that
should do it.

2) Some error was shunting the archived messages in which case they may
be in qfiles/shunt/ and they may or may not be in the individual
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox files. If the messages
are in qfiles/shunt/, you could just move them and rin bin/unshunt,
but you need to be careful as not all the files in qfiles/shunt/ may
be messages you want. You can look at these entries with
bin/show_qfiles or bin/dumpdb.

If the messages are in the listname.mbox files, the easiest thing is
probably to rebuild the archives with bin/arch --wipe.


>When I first installed the backup from the old server to the new one and
>then checked the list's configuration parameters, I saw some parameters on
>the Archiving options page that provided for "rebuilding" the archive. But
>now those options seem to have disappeared now too.


I don't know what you say, but there's nothing in the web Archiving
Options page about rebuilding archives.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Tue Oct 28 15:14:30 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:14:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081024165042053404d68280@msapiro>
Message-ID: <F4E6889B30754A868235656DA1A03A66@gregsrocket>

Follow-up to last message. Wasn't sure exactly how to examine the contents
of the ourlist.mbox file in /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ourlist.mbox

SO, I opened it with emacs just to see what it contained. The last message
in that file is one I posted on July 7th.

The prospects of recovering all those missing messages are looking dimmer
and dimmer... Sigh! :-(

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 5:51 PM
To: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
archiveprocess running?

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>I seem to be missing two full months worth of archives. From what I can
tell
>looking at my backups, it appears that the last time the archive process
>actually ran on our old server was in early August. 
>
> 
>
>Then for some reason it stopped funning and thee have been no archive
>updates since then. I suspect those "lost messages" aren't really lost at
>all but are merely caught in some sort of internal blockage in mailman.
What
>I'm trying to figure out here is how to clear the clogged drain pipe and
get
>the archive working again. 


There are a few possibilities:

1) ArchiveRunner died on the old server in early August. In this case,
the messages would be on the old server in the qfiles/arch/ directory.
If that is the case, you could just move the contents of that
directory to the corresponding directory on the new server and that
should do it.

2) Some error was shunting the archived messages in which case they may
be in qfiles/shunt/ and they may or may not be in the individual
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox files. If the messages
are in qfiles/shunt/, you could just move them and rin bin/unshunt,
but you need to be careful as not all the files in qfiles/shunt/ may
be messages you want. You can look at these entries with
bin/show_qfiles or bin/dumpdb.

If the messages are in the listname.mbox files, the easiest thing is
probably to rebuild the archives with bin/arch --wipe.


>When I first installed the backup from the old server to the new one and
>then checked the list's configuration parameters, I saw some parameters on
>the Archiving options page that provided for "rebuilding" the archive. But
>now those options seem to have disappeared now too.


I don't know what you say, but there's nothing in the web Archiving
Options page about rebuilding archives.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From tbraem at vub.ac.be  Tue Oct 28 15:57:40 2008
From: tbraem at vub.ac.be (Thijs Braem)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:57:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation with more then 16000 lists
Message-ID: <49072864.5090602@vub.ac.be>

Hello everyone,

It appears we hit the 32k-inodes-per-directory limit in ext2fs today, so
mailman can't create any new lists. We could of course move the lists to
an XFS filesystem, but I was wondering if there is a way to not have
mailman create 2 entries in the lists directory for every mailing list
(maybe by grouping them in subdirectories or so). Does anyone have an idea?

Thanks in advance!
--
Thijs Braem
Onderwijstechnoloog
Onderwijsvernieuwing & OnderwijsServiceCentrum
Vrije Universiteit Brussel
Tel :  +32.2629.1249
E-mail: tbraem at vub.ac.be
http://osc.vub.ac.be/

-- 
"If you believe in freedom of speech, you believe in freedom of speech
for views you don't like. Goebbels was in favor of freedom of speech for
views he liked. So was Stalin. If you're in favor of freedom of speech,
that means you're in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views you
despise."
-- Noam Chomsky

From greatman at greatman.eu  Mon Oct 27 23:13:59 2008
From: greatman at greatman.eu (William Lebel)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:13:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mailman and postfix
Message-ID: <a0133a7e0810271513o48dd2502od935c6ecdd8c33ee@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all!

I have a problem. When i send a email to my mailing list, i always got this
error:
*Oct 27 22:48:13 kim postfix/smtpd[10355]: connect from
col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com[65.55.34.83]
Oct 27 22:48:14 kim postfix/smtpd[10355]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com[65.55.34.83]: 554 5.7.1
<v-info-annonce at virtual-info.eu>: Relay access denied; from=<
myemail at hotmail.com> to=<v-info-annonce at virtual-info.eu> proto=ESMTP helo=<
col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com>

*How i can repair this?

Here is my postfix config:

#
# ispCP ?? (OMEGA) a Virtual Hosting Control System
#
# @copyright    2001-2006 by moleSoftware GmbH
# @copyright    2006-2008 by ispCP | http://isp-control.net
# @version        SVN: $ID$
# @link            http://isp-control.net
# @author        ispCP Team
#
# @license
#   This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
under
#   the terms of the MPL General Public License as published by the Free
Software
#   Foundation; either version 1.1 of the License, or (at your option) any
later
#   version.
#   You should have received a copy of the MPL Mozilla Public License along
with
#   this program; if not, write to the Open Source Initiative (OSI)
#   http://opensource.org | osi at opensource.org
#
################################################################################

# Postfix directory settings; These are critical for normal Postfix MTA
functionallity
command_directory            = /usr/sbin
daemon_directory             = /usr/lib/postfix

# Some common configuration parameters
mynetworks_style = host

myhostname = kim.v-info.info
mydomain = $myhostname
smtpd_banner                 = $myhostname ESMTP ispCP 1.0.0 RC6 OMEGA
Managed
setgid_group                 = postdrop

# Receiving messages parameters
mydestination = $myhostname, $mydomain
append_dot_mydomain          = no
append_at_myorigin           = yes
local_transport              = local
virtual_transport            = virtual
transport_maps               = hash:/etc/postfix/ispcp/transport
alias_maps                   = hash:/etc/aliases,
                   hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
alias_database               = hash:/etc/aliases

# Delivering local messages parameters
mail_spool_directory         = /var/mail

# Mailboxquota
# => 0 for unlimited
# => 104857600 for 100 MB
mailbox_size_limit           = 0
mailbox_command              = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"

# Message size limit
# => 0 for unlimited
# => 104857600 for 100 MB
message_size_limit           = 0

biff                         = no
recipient_delimiter = +

local_destination_recipient_limit = 1
local_recipient_maps         = unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps

# ispCP Autoresponder parameters
ispcp-arpl_destination_recipient_limit = 1

# Delivering virtual messages parameters
virtual_mailbox_base         = /var/mail/virtual
virtual_mailbox_limit        = 0

virtual_mailbox_domains      = hash:/etc/postfix/ispcp/domains
virtual_mailbox_maps         = hash:/etc/postfix/ispcp/mailboxes

virtual_alias_maps           = hash:/etc/postfix/ispcp/aliases,
                hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

virtual_minimum_uid          = 1004
virtual_uid_maps             = static:1004
virtual_gid_maps             = static:8

# SASL paramters
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable       = yes
smtpd_sasl_security_options  = noanonymous
smtpd_sasl_local_domain      =
broken_sasl_auth_clients     = yes

smtpd_helo_required          = yes

smtpd_helo_restrictions      = permit_mynetworks,
                               permit_sasl_authenticated,
                               reject_invalid_helo_hostname,
                               reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname

smtpd_sender_restrictions    = reject_non_fqdn_sender,
                               reject_unknown_sender_domain,
                               permit_mynetworks,
                               permit_sasl_authenticated

smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_non_fqdn_recipient,
                               reject_unknown_recipient_domain,
                               permit_mynetworks,
                               permit_sasl_authenticated,
                               reject_unauth_destination,
                               reject_unlisted_recipient,
                               check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:12525,
                               check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:60000,
                               permit

smtpd_data_restrictions      = reject_multi_recipient_bounce,
                               reject_unauth_pipelining

# TLS parameters; activate, if avaible/used
#smtpd_use_tls               = yes
#smtpd_tls_loglevel          = 2
#smtpd_tls_cert_file         = /etc/postfix/cert.pem
#smtpd_tls_key_file          = /etc/postfix/privkey.pem
#smtpd_tls_auth_only         = no
#smtpd_tls_received_header   = yes

# AMaViS parameters; activate, if available/used
#content_filter               = amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024

# Quota support; activate, if available/used
#virtual_create_maildirsize     = yes
#virtual_mailbox_extended       = yes
#virtual_mailbox_limit_maps     = mysql:/etc/postfix/
mysql_virtual_mailbox_limit_maps.cf
#virtual_mailbox_limit_override = yes
#virtual_maildir_limit_message  = "The user you're trying to reach is over
mailbox quota."
#virtual_overquota_bounce       = yes
# Mailman parameters
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
owner_request_special               = no
mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1

From moseley at hank.org  Mon Oct 27 22:30:23 2008
From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:30:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam to "mailmain" list oddity
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810271410400828c6114964@msapiro>
References: <20081026142738.GA7603@hank.org>
	<PC1870200810271410400828c6114964@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20081027213023.GA624@hank.org>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 02:10:40PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> >
> >My question is why is mail to mailmain@ seemingly getting delivered to
> >users-owner@?
> 
> 
> My first guess, assuming you've verified the above by actually sending
> your own message to mailman at ..., is that your MTA aliases or whatever
> are piping mail sent to mailman at ... to
> 
> "/path/to/mail/mailman owner users"

Nice guess.  And it's worse than that.

And this also explains why the List-* headers are not added to the
email as well.  /etc/aliases includes:

    mailman:  users-owner@<list domain>

It's not even hitting mailman.

Postfix is used on that machine and it has two alias files:

    alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases

so it's matching in /etc/aliases first.

Why that's in /etc/aliase I'm not sure.  Have to track that down.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

-- 
Bill Moseley
moseley at hank.org
Sent from my iMutt


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 28 17:08:07 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:08:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages shunted with "TypeError: decoding
	Unicode is not supported"
In-Reply-To: <483038B4-467B-4023-B84B-AFC390963CB1@globalmoxie.com>
Message-ID: <PC187020081028090807026597448d90@msapiro>

Josh Clark wrote:

>> Try applying the attached Decorate.patch.txt patch to
>> Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py and restart mailman.
>>
>> Then try the post and report what you find in Mailman's 'debug' log.
>
>Thanks again, Mark. Here's what shows up in the debug log (email  
>address anonymized to protect the innocent; it was an unremarkable  
>yahoo.com account).
>
>$ cat debug
>Oct 28 05:14:39 2008 (22325) msg_footer type: <type 'str'>
>footer type: <type 'unicode'>
>footer: _______________________________________________
>You are subscribed to this mailing list as address at example.com
>To edit your subscription options or to unsubscribe, visit:
>http://mailman.example.com/mailman/options/moxiemail/address%40example.com
>
>lcset: us-ascii


That narrows it down a bit. What is happening is one of the strings
being interpolated into the footer is unicode. The footer is

msg_footer = """_______________________________________________
You are subscribed to this mailing list as %(user_address)s
To edit your subscription options or to unsubscribe, visit:
%(user_optionsurl)s"""

and somehow this 'address at example.com' is unicode rather than a string.

Try the following:

Remove the patch from Decorate.py as it isn't needed any more. Then do

$ bin/withlist moxiemail
Loading list moxiemail (unlocked)
The variable `m' is the moxiemail MailList instance
>>> for mem in m.getMembers():
...     print repr(m.getMemberCPAddress(mem))
...

The first line above represents a prompt and a withlist command. The
next lines are output from withlist ending with a '>>> ' python
prompt. You type what follows the prompt and get a '... ' prompt
because the 'for' is incomplete. You type the next line indented, and
then just <CR> to the next prompt. This should be followed by a list of

'address at example.com' and/or u'address at example.com' like addresses
ending with a '>>> ' prompt. Type control-D at this prompt to quit.

I'm interested in how many of these addresses are u'...', and how they
got to be that way. The above will answer the first question.

The attached patch to Decorate.py (applied after removing the other
one) will work around the problem, but the real question is how the
'case preserved' addresses got to be unicode in the first place.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 28 17:28:50 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:28:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <A4F5775C78C5466F9795AC6408DA7CCB@gregsrocket>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810280928500609e3837c13@msapiro>

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>For the record, I see no evidence the cron for archive updates is running
>now on the new server either. In fact from your comments, I'd say the pck
>files in qfiles/shunt strongly suggest that it's NOT running or at least not
>running correctly.


cron is not involved. The archiving process is ArchRunner, one of the 8
qrunners that run continuously when Mailman is running.

Even if ArchRunner is not running, the messages to be archived will be
queued in the archive queue. Since this is not happening, I think
archiving for the list must have been turned off. What is the setting
for "Archive messages?" on the list's Archiving Options page?

As far as the shunted messages are concerned, there should be an error
message and a traceback for each one of these in Mailman's error log.
What are these? Also, you can see the messages themselve by pointing
Mailman's bin/dumpdb or bin/show_qfiles at the .pck files.

It is possible that these are the recent messages missing from the
archive, but only the error log and the contents of the .pck files
will answer that for sure.


>Here's what I see when I look at the current mailman
>archive/private/listname.mbox directory
>
>   4 drwxrwsr-x 2 ourlist    mailman    4096 2008-10-28 06:34 .
>   4 drwxrws--- 8 nobody     mailman    4096 2008-07-10 06:53 ..
>   0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root       mailman      41 2008-10-28 06:34 arc -> /www/ourlist/newtest/mailman archives/


I don't know what this symlink is for?  I don't think Mailman will use
it for anything.


>5624 -rw-r--r-- 1 root       mailman 5743206 2008-07-07 06:22 ourlist.mbox
>
>Note the date on the ourlist.mbox file. That's the last time the archive
>process ran successfully.
>
>Something is obviously wrong here; but I'm not sure exactly what.


At this point, my best guess is that the list's archive setting was
turned off sometime between the post at 06:22 on July 7 and the next
post.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 28 17:41:11 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:41:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mailman and postfix
In-Reply-To: <a0133a7e0810271513o48dd2502od935c6ecdd8c33ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810280941110015951fedda@msapiro>

William Lebel wrote:
>
>I have a problem. When i send a email to my mailing list, i always got this
>error:
>*Oct 27 22:48:13 kim postfix/smtpd[10355]: connect from
>col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com[65.55.34.83]
>Oct 27 22:48:14 kim postfix/smtpd[10355]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
>col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com[65.55.34.83]: 554 5.7.1
><v-info-annonce at virtual-info.eu>: Relay access denied; from=<
>myemail at hotmail.com> to=<v-info-annonce at virtual-info.eu> proto=ESMTP helo=<
>col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com>
>
>*How i can repair this?


I think

virtual_alias_domains = virtual-info.eu

in your Postfix config will do it.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu  Tue Oct 28 19:35:27 2008
From: jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu (jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:35:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Command output: local: fatal:
 execvp/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman: Permission denied )
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810271532230703de2fe016@msapiro>
References: <f9e24a6d8471.8471f9e24a6d@washburn.edu>
	<PC1870200810271532230703de2fe016@msapiro>
Message-ID: <fa29d144d763.d763fa29d144@washburn.edu>

/etc/aliases is the location of my aliases file and that's where postfix
is pointing.  I cannot change the owner to the aliases and aliases.db or
else I can't run newaliases. 

I ran ./configure --with-mail-god=nobody
and I have default_privs = nobody

Any other suggestions? 

Jewel 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Command output: local: fatal:
execvp/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman: Permission denied )
To: jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu, mailman-users at python.org

> jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu wrote:
> 
> >When I create a new list and put my email address, I do receive a
> >confirmation.  I can deliver mail as root also from my server.  
> Once I
> >try and post to the list is when nothing happens, just a bounce back
> >saying the "Connection is refused." The only clue I can see if the
> >following in my maillog:
> >
> >Command output: local: fatal: execvp /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman:
> >Permission denied 
> >
> >I read the above error means postfix does not have permissions to 
> access>the mailman wrappers.
> >
> >Before I post this question to a postfix listserv, I wanted to 
> confirm>my permissions were correct.  Here is what I have for
> >/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman:
> >
> >-rwxrwsr-x  1 mailman mailman 16887 Oct 15 09:10 mailman
> >
> >My aliases.db file is owned by root.
> 
> 
> I think this is the problem. If you have Mailman/Postfix integration,
> so that Mailman's aliases are in Mailman's data/aliases and
> data/aliases.db files, aliases.db needs to be owned by mailman, not
> root.
> 
> 
> >I am running...
> >Red Hat 5.1
> >Postfix 2.3.3
> >Mailman 2.1.11
> >
> >Also, when I run check_perms - f as root it says "no problems found"
> 
> 
> That's a flaw in check_perms. It only checks group on files and
> directories, not owner, because owner doesn't matter except for this
> one file.
> 
> Also, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/tYA9> in case you run 
> intoa group mismatch after fixing the owner.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
> 

From mwelch at redwoodalliance.org  Tue Oct 28 19:49:29 2008
From: mwelch at redwoodalliance.org (Michael Welch)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:49:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clue to moderation
Message-ID: <20081028184936.027D0FA19A@friskymail-a5.g.dreamhost.com>

Hi friends. 

With Mailman, is there any clue in a received message header that the original message went through moderation and was approved -- as opposed to being sent unmoderated?

Also, I sent this previously through my From address' smtp server, but python.org tagged it as spam, which seems pretty aggressive considering that I am enrolled on the list server.

>Could not deliver message to the following recipient(s):
>
>Failed Recipient: mailman-users at python.org
>Reason: Remote host said: 553 rejected, message looks like spam.
>
>   -- The header and top 20 lines of the message follows --
>
>Received: from adsl-75-45-6-67.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net [75.45.6.67] by homepower.com with SMTP;
>   Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:49:35 -0700
>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9
>Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:47:25 -0700
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>From: Michael Welch <mwelch at redwoodalliance.org>
>Subject: clue to moderation
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Hi friends. 
>
>With Mailman, is there any clue in a received message header that the original message went through moderation and was approved -- as opposed to being sent unmoderated?


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 28 20:02:25 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:02:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clue to moderation
In-Reply-To: <20081028184936.027D0FA19A@friskymail-a5.g.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <PC187020081028120225062570d56f8a@msapiro>

Michael Welch 
>
>With Mailman, is there any clue in a received message header that the original message went through moderation and was approved -- as opposed to being sent unmoderated?


There is an X-Mailman-Approved-At: header.


>Also, I sent this previously through my From address' smtp server, but python.org tagged it as spam, which seems pretty aggressive considering that I am enrolled on the list server.


I'm sure the spam filtering at bag.python.org doesn't check list
membership.

In any case, if you have questions or issues with the spam filters at
bag.python.org, I think you'd need to address them to
postmaster at python.org.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 28 20:27:56 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:27:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Command output: local:
	fatal:execvp/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman: Permission denied )
In-Reply-To: <fa29d144d763.d763fa29d144@washburn.edu>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102812275602184d01e112@msapiro>

jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu wrote:

>/etc/aliases is the location of my aliases file and that's where postfix
>is pointing.  I cannot change the owner to the aliases and aliases.db or
>else I can't run newaliases. 
>
>I ran ./configure --with-mail-god=nobody
>and I have default_privs = nobody
>
>Any other suggestions? 


Set up Mailman-Postfix integration per
<http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node13.html>.

However, I don't understand why you are getting the permissions denied
with what you have. Even 'nobody' should be able to execute
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman. If your aliases are in
/etc/aliases.db and that file is owned by root, Postfix should run the
pipe as the default_privs user, so it should work as is.

Are all the directories in the path /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman o+x?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From b19141 at anl.gov  Tue Oct 28 20:42:47 2008
From: b19141 at anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:42:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Command output: local: fatal:
	execvp/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman: Permission denied )
In-Reply-To: Mail from 'jewel.brueggeman-makda@washburn.edu'
	dated: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:35:27 -0500
Message-ID: <20081028194247.EAA2E1746D@britaine.cis.anl.gov>

jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu wrote, in reply:

>/etc/aliases is the location of my aliases file and that's where postfix
>is pointing.  I cannot change the owner to the aliases and aliases.db or
>else I can't run newaliases. 
>
>I ran ./configure --with-mail-god=nobody
>and I have default_privs = nobody
>
>Any other suggestions? 

There should be two aliases files - one supplied by the OS (and/or
Postfix), and one created by Mailman.  You need to define both to
Postfix in main.cf in the

     alias_maps = hash:aliasfile1 hash:aliasfile2

line.  Keep the permissions on the system file as they are, so that
the "newaliases" command will work.  The permissions on the
Mailman-generated aliases file need to match the 

     --with-mail-gid=

parameter on the ./configure statement.

I just noticed that on my Ubuntu system there is no system aliases file,
so I do not have a definition for postmaster, MAILER-DAEMON, and the
other common userids.  And I do not want to include those definitions
in the Mailman-generated aliases file, as a re-generation of that file
would proably omit my manual additions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 222, Room D209              Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From jclark at globalmoxie.com  Tue Oct 28 20:46:45 2008
From: jclark at globalmoxie.com (Josh Clark)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:46:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages shunted with "TypeError: decoding
	Unicode is not supported"
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081028090807026597448d90@msapiro>
References: <PC187020081028090807026597448d90@msapiro>
Message-ID: <4FAC000F-3C61-44FF-8575-07A115123B48@globalmoxie.com>

Thanks again, Mark, this is all *very* appreciated.

> I'm interested in how many of these addresses are u'...', and how  
> they got to be that way.


Of the 1639 e-mail addresses, 349 are u'...' I don't have any great  
ideas about what might be out of the ordinary about my installation.  
I've never made any mods to the Mailman scripts. I *have* used custom  
html templates (charset=utf-8), but I don't think that this would  
affect the character encoding on the server side, would it? If you'd  
like to take a look:
<http://mailman.globalmoxie.com/mailman/listinfo/moxiemail>

However, the majority of subscriptions come via a script that I set up  
to send subscribe commands via email to the list. It accepts an email  
address in a web form and sends it along as a subscribe command to  
moxiemail-requests. Here's a sample (with domains changed to  
example.com):

------
Return-Path: <support at example.com>
X-Original-To: moxiemail-request at example.com
Delivered-To: moxiemail-request at example.com
Received: by houdini.example.com (Postfix, from userid 536)
	id 26E3A312869A; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:38:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: support at example.com
To: moxiemail-request at example.com
Subject: subscribe address=test at example.com
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Message-Id: <20081028193807.26E3A312869A at houdini.example.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:38:07 -0500 (CDT)

subscribe address=test at example.com
------

I'm happy to do any tests or troubleshooting that might be helpful to  
get at the root problem.

> The attached patch to Decorate.py (applied after removing the other  
> one) will work around the problem.

Excellent, thanks! A quick question before I try it: I've now tried to  
send this message a few times; is it possible that these attempts were  
successfully mailed to some portion of the list (e.g., some of the non- 
unicode addresses)? If it's an indicator, the last address that showed  
up with the "bin/withlist" commands that you suggested was also the  
same address that showed up in the message footer for the debug patch  
that you originally sent (and, I presume, the address that caused the  
error).

(If it's likely that some significant number of people have gotten  
several copies of the message, I just want to add an apology for the  
repeats before mailing it again. Either way, I'll give the patch a  
spin in the next 24 hours.)

Thanks again for all of the speedy, detailed help with this.

All best,
Josh

From jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu  Tue Oct 28 20:59:49 2008
From: jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu (jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:59:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Command output: local: fatal:
 execvp/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman: Permission denied )
In-Reply-To: <20081028194247.EAA2E1746D@britaine.cis.anl.gov>
References: <"Mail from 'jewel.brueggeman-makda"@washburn.edu'>
	<20081028194247.EAA2E1746D@britaine.cis.anl.gov>
Message-ID: <f84ad4aedf2b.df2bf84ad4ae@washburn.edu>

Here is what main.cf has as far as alias settings:
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases

When I run a locate aliases here are all the places it exists and am not
sure what to put:
/etc/aliases
/etc/aliases.db
/etc/alsa/cards/aliases.alisp
/etc/alsa/cards/aliases.conf
/etc/alternatives/mta-aliasesman
/etc/alternatives/mta-newaliases
/etc/alternatives/mta-newaliasesman
/etc/fonts/conf.avail/30-amt-aliases.conf
/etc/fonts/conf.avail/30-urw-aliases.conf
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-aliases-fedora.conf
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-amt-aliases.conf
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-urw-aliases.conf
/etc/pango/pangox.aliases
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-aliases
/home/mailman/mailman-2.1.11/bin/genaliases
/home/mailman/mailman-2.1.11/build/bin/genaliases
/home/mailman/mailman-2.1.11/misc/JapaneseCodecs-1.4.11/build/lib.linux-i686-2.4/japanese/aliases
/home/mailman/mailman-2.1.11/misc/JapaneseCodecs-1.4.11/build/lib.linux-i686-2.4/japanese/aliases/__init__.py
/home/mailman/mailman-2.1.11/misc/JapaneseCodecs-1.4.11/japanese/aliases
/home/mailman/mailman-2.1.11/misc/JapaneseCodecs-1.4.11/japanese/aliases/__init__.py
/home/mailman/mailman-2.1.11/misc/KoreanCodecs-2.0.5/build/lib.linux-i686-2.4/korean/aliases.py
/home/mailman/mailman-2.1.11/misc/KoreanCodecs-2.0.5/korean/aliases.py
/usr/bin/newaliases
/usr/bin/newaliases.postfix
/usr/bin/newaliases.sendmail
/usr/include/aliases.h
/usr/lib/python2.4/encodings/aliases.py
/usr/lib/python2.4/encodings/aliases.pyc
/usr/lib/python2.4/encodings/aliases.pyo
/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/japanese/aliases
/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/japanese/aliases/__init__.py
/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/japanese/aliases/__init__.pyc
/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/japanese/aliases/__init__.pyo
/usr/lib/python2.4/test/doctest_aliases.py
/usr/lib/python2.4/test/doctest_aliases.pyc
/usr/lib/python2.4/test/doctest_aliases.pyo
/usr/local/mailman/bin/genaliases
/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/japanese/aliases
/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/japanese/aliases/__init__.py
/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/japanese/aliases/__init__.pyc
/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/korean/aliases.py
/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/korean/aliases.pyc
/usr/sbin/praliases
/usr/share/X11/xkb/keycodes/aliases
/usr/share/doc/Deployment_Guide-en-US-5.2/images/neat-aliases.png
/usr/share/doc/bash-3.2/startup-files/Bash_aliases
/usr/share/doc/bash-3.2/startup-files/apple/aliases
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/apm.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/ark.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/ast.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/ati.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/chips.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/cirrus.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/cyrix.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/glint.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/i128.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/i740.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/i810.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/mga.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/neomagic.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/nsc.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/nv.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/r128.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/radeon.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/radeon_tp.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/s3.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/s3virge.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/savage.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/siliconmotion.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/sis.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/tdfx.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/trident.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/tseng.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/vga.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/via.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/vmware.xinf
/usr/share/hwdata/videoaliases/voodoo.xinf
/usr/share/man/man1/newaliases.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/newaliases.postfix.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/newaliases.sendmail.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man5/aliases.5.gz
/usr/share/man/man5/aliases.postfix.5.gz
/usr/share/man/man5/aliases.sendmail.5.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/praliases.8.gz
/usr/share/mime/aliases
/usr/share/system-config-network/help/network-aliases.html
/usr/share/system-config-network/help/figs/neat-aliases.png
/usr/share/vim/vim70/ftplugin/mailaliases.vim
/usr/share/vim/vim70/syntax/mailaliases.vim



Jewel
----- Original Message -----
From: b19141 at anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Command output: local: fatal:
execvp/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman: Permission denied )
To: Mailman-Users at python.org

> jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu wrote, in reply:
> 
> >/etc/aliases is the location of my aliases file and that's where 
> postfix>is pointing.  I cannot change the owner to the aliases and 
> aliases.db or
> >else I can't run newaliases. 
> >
> >I ran ./configure --with-mail-god=nobody
> >and I have default_privs = nobody
> >
> >Any other suggestions? 
> 
> There should be two aliases files - one supplied by the OS (and/or
> Postfix), and one created by Mailman.  You need to define both to
> Postfix in main.cf in the
> 
>     alias_maps = hash:aliasfile1 hash:aliasfile2
> 
> line.  Keep the permissions on the system file as they are, so that
> the "newaliases" command will work.  The permissions on the
> Mailman-generated aliases file need to match the 
> 
>     --with-mail-gid=
> 
> parameter on the ./configure statement.
> 
> I just noticed that on my Ubuntu system there is no system aliases 
> file,so I do not have a definition for postmaster, MAILER-DAEMON, 
> and the
> other common userids.  And I do not want to include those definitions
> in the Mailman-generated aliases file, as a re-generation of that file
> would proably omit my manual additions.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> Barry S. Finkel
> Computing and Information Systems Division
> Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
> 9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
> Building 222, Room D209              Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
> Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-
> users%40python.org/Unsubscribe: 
>
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jewel.brueggeman-makda%40washburn.edu
> 
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> 

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 28 21:28:21 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:28:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages shunted with "TypeError:
	decodingUnicode is not supported"
In-Reply-To: <4FAC000F-3C61-44FF-8575-07A115123B48@globalmoxie.com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102813282106711c8d98f4@msapiro>

Josh Clark wrote:

>Thanks again, Mark, this is all *very* appreciated.
>
>> I'm interested in how many of these addresses are u'...', and how  
>> they got to be that way.
>
>
>Of the 1639 e-mail addresses, 349 are u'...' I don't have any great  
>ideas about what might be out of the ordinary about my installation. 


Ist it the case that the u'...' ones all have at least one upper case
character in the local part and the rest don't?

 
>I've never made any mods to the Mailman scripts. I *have* used custom  
>html templates (charset=utf-8), but I don't think that this would  
>affect the character encoding on the server side, would it?


This is not an encoding issue. It's complicated, but unicode is an
abstract representation of characters. Unicode entities are encoded
into strings of characters (or bytes in the case of some encodings
that represent a character as multiple bytes) using some character
encoding like us-ascii or utf-8 or iso-8859-1, etc., and strings can
be decoded into unicode.

The issue here is not one of the character encoding of the email
address. It's that some of the email addresses (or at least the 'case
preserved' addresses) are stored as unicode objects instead of strings.


>If you'd  
>like to take a look:
><http://mailman.globalmoxie.com/mailman/listinfo/moxiemail>
>
>However, the majority of subscriptions come via a script that I set up  
>to send subscribe commands via email to the list. It accepts an email  
>address in a web form and sends it along as a subscribe command to  
>moxiemail-requests. Here's a sample (with domains changed to  
>example.com):
>
>------
>Return-Path: <support at example.com>
>X-Original-To: moxiemail-request at example.com
>Delivered-To: moxiemail-request at example.com
>Received: by houdini.example.com (Postfix, from userid 536)
>	id 26E3A312869A; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:38:07 -0500 (CDT)
>From: support at example.com
>To: moxiemail-request at example.com
>Subject: subscribe address=test at example.com
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>Message-Id: <20081028193807.26E3A312869A at houdini.example.com>
>Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:38:07 -0500 (CDT)
>
>subscribe address=test at example.com
>------
>
>I'm happy to do any tests or troubleshooting that might be helpful to  
>get at the root problem.


Thanks. I'll try to think of what to do. One thing, if you trust me to
respect the confidentiality of your list membership, you can send me
off-list a copy of lists/moxiemail/config.pck.


>> The attached patch to Decorate.py (applied after removing the other  
>> one) will work around the problem.
>
>Excellent, thanks! A quick question before I try it: I've now tried to  
>send this message a few times; is it possible that these attempts were  
>successfully mailed to some portion of the list (e.g., some of the non- 
>unicode addresses)? If it's an indicator, the last address that showed  
>up with the "bin/withlist" commands that you suggested was also the  
>same address that showed up in the message footer for the debug patch  
>that you originally sent (and, I presume, the address that caused the  
>error).
>
>(If it's likely that some significant number of people have gotten  
>several copies of the message, I just want to add an apology for the  
>repeats before mailing it again. Either way, I'll give the patch a  
>spin in the next 24 hours.)


When we had the debug patch, there appeared to be only one entry in the
debug log. If that mail had been successfully delivered, the address
that caused the failure would have been preceeded by debug log entries
for the successful ones.

In any case, each failure resulted in a .pck file in the shunt queue.
Those files should still be there. If you dump them with bin/dumpdb,
you will see the message as the first object in the file and the
metadata as the second object. The metadata should contain an
'undelivered' list containing all those who didn't get that message.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 28 21:34:13 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:34:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Command output: local:
	fatal:execvp/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman: Permission denied )
In-Reply-To: <f84ad4aedf2b.df2bf84ad4ae@washburn.edu>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102813341301401c8d96d9@msapiro>

jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu wrote:

>Here is what main.cf has as far as alias settings:
>alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
>
>When I run a locate aliases here are all the places it exists and am not
>sure what to put:
<snip>


What Barry is talking about may or may not be exactly what is described
in the installation manual at
<http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node13.html>, but he is
suggesting that you have your Mailman aliases separate from the system
aliases.

If you follow the manual, Mailman will maintain the aliases
automatically in it's data/ directory.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 28 22:20:37 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:20:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <C8C229F6B40443F188492EC16E2300C6@gregsrocket>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102814203702030c0a33f0@msapiro>

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>Could this be a group/owner-ship issue?


Yes. It took me a while, but I finally connected you with our exchanges
from last June/July :)


>It hadn't occurred to me to look for mailman's error log. Plus I had no idea
>where it was. I've seen it mentioned but I'd seen nothing in the docs that
>said where to find it. But with a bit of looking, I found it in
>/usr/local/mailman/logs/error
>
> 
>
>The error log that was saved when we made our final September 28 backup on
>the old server was last updated 9/25. The more I look the more this looks
>like an ownership issue to me. It may be I screwed up somewhere back in
>July. In our current mailman directory structure a smattering of files
>throughout the mailman directory tree seem to be owned by root / mailman
>now; whereas in the old backup everything seems to have been owned by
>mailman / mailman or www-data (Debian's default Apache user) / mailman. On
>9/28, the error log was owned by mailman / mailman. Indeed everything except
>mischief, subscribed and vet were owned by mailman / mailman back then.
>Those three files were different and were owned by "www-data" / mailman.
>Today in our running copy of mailman, all logs are owned by mailman/mailman
>except error which is owned by root / mailman and mischief, vet and
>subscribed which are owned by www-data / mailman.


There were undoubtedly problems on the old server because of SUExec
issues which I told you at the time was incompatible with Mailman's
security model since Mailman's CGI wrappers can't be SETGID under
SUExec and that's the whole point of the wrappers in the first place.

So ownership and permissions within Mailman have to be such that the
SUExec user can read and write.

But the qrunner processes also have to be able to read and write and
they will run as the mailman user:group.

Normally the owner doesn't matter because everything runs as group
mailman, but that may not be the case here.


>The reason I think this is an ownership issue is because when I look at the
>July - September error log I see lots of errors like this:
>
> 
>
>Jul 09 07:29:22 2008 (10592) Archive file access failure:
>
>        /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ourlist.mbox/ourlist.mbox [Errno
>13] Permission denied:
>'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ourlist.mbox/ourlist.mbox'
>
>Jul 09 07:29:22 2008 (10592) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13]
>Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ourlist
>
>.mbox/ourlist.mbox'
>
> 
>
>.and when I check the files in that directory, they're owned by root as a
>member of the group mailman.


That should be OK because ArchRunner should be running as group mailman
and the files shoud be group writable.


<snip>
>
>Sep 25 21:09:31 2008 (16599) SHUNTING:
>1222394969.723012+6122e5f84bb97875a24698a159961936bed8802b
>
> 
>
>Sadly, when I look at the qfiles/shunt directory in the 9/28 backup, the
>oldest file there seems to be from 09-20-2008. So it looks to me like it was
>only keeping those shunt files 5 or 6 days before discarding them.


If you are running Mailman 2.1.11, there is a cron that runs daily and
by default it discards anything in qfiles/bad and qfiles/shunt older
than 7 days. From Defaults.py

# The length of time after which a qfiles/bad or qfiles/shunt file is
# considered to be stale.  Set to zero to disable culling of qfiles/bad
and
# qfiles/shunt entries.
BAD_SHUNT_STALE_AFTER = days(7)

# The pathname of a directory (searchable and writable by the Mailman
cron
# user) to which the culled qfiles/bad and qfiles/shunt entries will be
# moved.  Set to None to simply delete the culled entries.
BAD_SHUNT_ARCHIVE_DIRECTORY = None



>Here are the first and last error in the current error file:
>
> 
>
>Oct 18 10:43:54 2008 mailmanctl(25124): Site list is missing: mailman
>
>Oct 18 10:43:54 2008 (25124) Site list is missing: mailman
>
>Oct 18 18:38:42 2008 (14433) admin.py access for non-existent list: ourlist
>
>Oct 18 18:39:34 2008 (14458) admin.py access for non-existent list: ourlist
>
>Oct 18 20:34:08 2008 (19034) admin.py access for non-existent list: ourlist
>
>Oct 20 08:58:31 2008 (9822) admin.py access for non-existent list: ourlist 
>
>Oct 21 22:33:46 2008 (1431) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission
>den
>
>ied: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ourlist/index.html'
>
>Oct 21 22:33:46 2008 (1431) Traceback (most recent call last):
>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop
>
>    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>
> 
>
>...
>
> 
>
>Oct 28 10:09:30 2008 (2589) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission
>den
>
>ied: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ourlist/index.html'
>
>Oct 28 10:09:30 2008 (2589) Traceback (most recent call last):
>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop
>
>    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in _onefile
>
>    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in
>_dispose
>
>    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 217, in
>ArchiveMa
>
>il
>
>    h.close()
>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 324, in
>close
>
>    self.write_TOC()
>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1097, in
>write_T
>
>OC
>
>    toc = open(os.path.join(self.basedir, 'index.html'), 'w')
>
>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
>'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ourlist/index.html'
>
> 
>
>Oct 28 10:09:30 2008 (2589) SHUNTING:
>1225213769.6014299+1a6c02d7003773ec8b731f9
>
>23e4d1e0eb795d0b5


So you still have permissions issues.

You could start with bin/check_perms which should get them right except
if the web server is still SUExec, the web interface may not work.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jclark at globalmoxie.com  Wed Oct 29 10:56:27 2008
From: jclark at globalmoxie.com (Josh Clark)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:56:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages shunted with "TypeError:
	decodingUnicode is not supported"
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008102813282106711c8d98f4@msapiro>
References: <PC18702008102813282106711c8d98f4@msapiro>
Message-ID: <612FC0B2-B3A8-43A9-89C0-A64C0704ED53@globalmoxie.com>

Many thanks for the patch, Mark, your patch did indeed allow the  
message to go through.

> Ist it the case that the u'...' ones all have at least one upper case
> character in the local part and the rest don't?

No, none of the u'...' addresses have uppercase characters. The only  
messages with uppercase characters are those without the u'...' format.

Thanks again!
Josh


From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Wed Oct 29 14:57:39 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:57:39 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008102814203702030c0a33f0@msapiro>
Message-ID: <E162515144E64ABDBF52868F405C9B38@gregsrocket>

I'm sorry to turn up in your support forum again, Mark. I've fought hard
here to try to avoid that. The truth is it was our struggle with trying to
configure my old server for mailman back in June and July that proved to be
the straw that broke the camel's back with my old dedicated server hosting
service. In early July I asked them about getting an updated server and
software but the price they quoted was so darn high I decided to bail out on
them and ended up choosing a hosting company that provided much more server
for the $ plus the latest version of Debian Etch (rather than the 5 year old
version of RedHat I was running) for the same price I'd been paying to my
old hosting service. The BIG difference was I had to take full admin
responsibility for my server setup and configuration; but I figured what the
hell, I'm already doing 80% of that job anyway with very little support
coming from my old host. 

So, when my old server came up for renewal at the end of July, I went
month-to-month on my lease with them and bought the new server to take its
place. I struggled through server setup and the migration of all my existing
sites from the old server in August and September. At the end of September
with just 3 sites left to move I grabbed the last 3 sites, made my final
backups, and pulled the plug on the old server on the weekend before it
would have renewed for another month... jumping out the window (from what
turned out to be the 12th floor) with my final backups under my arm. :-)

During October, I struggled to get the server set up to support mailman for
multiple accounts. That entailed installing and testing it for the current
client and setting up the server to support virtual domain hosting under
Apache2, postfix and mailman so that we can eventually support mailman for
multiple domains on this server. Until you mentioned suEXEC in your message
yesterday, I'd nearly forgotten that part of our June-July nightmare. 

When I checked this morning, I found that when Apache2 was installed on this
server it's standard installation process did include suEXEC. However, under
Debian's Apache2 setup, it's easy to disable suEXEC and restart Apache. As
far as I know, nothing else on the server was relying on the presence of
suEXEC and it certainly wasn't my intent to install that Apache feature to
begin with. So, suEXEC has now been disabled. 

Now can we talk about the proper ownership of all the mailman files both IN
/usr/local/mailman directory structure and in the UserAccount/mailman
directory as well?

Or should I just put take a large dose of cyanide and go take a long nap
instead?

Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:21 PM
To: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
archive process running?

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>Could this be a group/owner-ship issue?


Yes. It took me a while, but I finally connected you with our exchanges
from last June/July :)


>It hadn't occurred to me to look for mailman's error log. Plus I had no
idea
>where it was. I've seen it mentioned but I'd seen nothing in the docs that
>said where to find it. But with a bit of looking, I found it in
>/usr/local/mailman/logs/error
>
> 
>
>The error log that was saved when we made our final September 28 backup on
>the old server was last updated 9/25. The more I look the more this looks
>like an ownership issue to me. It may be I screwed up somewhere back in
>July. In our current mailman directory structure a smattering of files
>throughout the mailman directory tree seem to be owned by root / mailman
>now; whereas in the old backup everything seems to have been owned by
>mailman / mailman or www-data (Debian's default Apache user) / mailman. On
>9/28, the error log was owned by mailman / mailman. Indeed everything
except
>mischief, subscribed and vet were owned by mailman / mailman back then.
>Those three files were different and were owned by "www-data" / mailman.
>Today in our running copy of mailman, all logs are owned by mailman/mailman
>except error which is owned by root / mailman and mischief, vet and
>subscribed which are owned by www-data / mailman.


There were undoubtedly problems on the old server because of SUExec
issues which I told you at the time was incompatible with Mailman's
security model since Mailman's CGI wrappers can't be SETGID under
SUExec and that's the whole point of the wrappers in the first place.

So ownership and permissions within Mailman have to be such that the
SUExec user can read and write.

But the qrunner processes also have to be able to read and write and
they will run as the mailman user:group.

Normally the owner doesn't matter because everything runs as group
mailman, but that may not be the case here.


>The reason I think this is an ownership issue is because when I look at the
>July - September error log I see lots of errors like this:
>
> 
>
>Jul 09 07:29:22 2008 (10592) Archive file access failure:
>
>        /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ourlist.mbox/ourlist.mbox
[Errno
>13] Permission denied:
>'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ourlist.mbox/ourlist.mbox'
>
>Jul 09 07:29:22 2008 (10592) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13]
>Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ourlist
>
>.mbox/ourlist.mbox'
>
> 
>
>.and when I check the files in that directory, they're owned by root as a
>member of the group mailman.


That should be OK because ArchRunner should be running as group mailman
and the files shoud be group writable.


<snip>
>
>Sep 25 21:09:31 2008 (16599) SHUNTING:
>1222394969.723012+6122e5f84bb97875a24698a159961936bed8802b
>
> 
>
>Sadly, when I look at the qfiles/shunt directory in the 9/28 backup, the
>oldest file there seems to be from 09-20-2008. So it looks to me like it
was
>only keeping those shunt files 5 or 6 days before discarding them.


If you are running Mailman 2.1.11, there is a cron that runs daily and
by default it discards anything in qfiles/bad and qfiles/shunt older
than 7 days. From Defaults.py

# The length of time after which a qfiles/bad or qfiles/shunt file is
# considered to be stale.  Set to zero to disable culling of qfiles/bad
and
# qfiles/shunt entries.
BAD_SHUNT_STALE_AFTER = days(7)

# The pathname of a directory (searchable and writable by the Mailman
cron
# user) to which the culled qfiles/bad and qfiles/shunt entries will be
# moved.  Set to None to simply delete the culled entries.
BAD_SHUNT_ARCHIVE_DIRECTORY = None



>Here are the first and last error in the current error file:
>
> 
>
>Oct 18 10:43:54 2008 mailmanctl(25124): Site list is missing: mailman
>
>Oct 18 10:43:54 2008 (25124) Site list is missing: mailman
>
>Oct 18 18:38:42 2008 (14433) admin.py access for non-existent list: ourlist
>
>Oct 18 18:39:34 2008 (14458) admin.py access for non-existent list: ourlist
>
>Oct 18 20:34:08 2008 (19034) admin.py access for non-existent list: ourlist
>
>Oct 20 08:58:31 2008 (9822) admin.py access for non-existent list: ourlist 
>
>Oct 21 22:33:46 2008 (1431) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13]
Permission
>den
>
>ied: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ourlist/index.html'
>
>Oct 21 22:33:46 2008 (1431) Traceback (most recent call last):
>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop
>
>    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>
> 
>
>...
>
> 
>
>Oct 28 10:09:30 2008 (2589) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13]
Permission
>den
>
>ied: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ourlist/index.html'
>
>Oct 28 10:09:30 2008 (2589) Traceback (most recent call last):
>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop
>
>    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in _onefile
>
>    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in
>_dispose
>
>    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 217, in
>ArchiveMa
>
>il
>
>    h.close()
>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 324, in
>close
>
>    self.write_TOC()
>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1097, in
>write_T
>
>OC
>
>    toc = open(os.path.join(self.basedir, 'index.html'), 'w')
>
>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
>'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ourlist/index.html'
>
> 
>
>Oct 28 10:09:30 2008 (2589) SHUNTING:
>1225213769.6014299+1a6c02d7003773ec8b731f9
>
>23e4d1e0eb795d0b5


So you still have permissions issues.

You could start with bin/check_perms which should get them right except
if the web server is still SUExec, the web interface may not work.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ricardo at americasnet.com  Wed Oct 29 16:04:15 2008
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:04:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help diagnosing problem
Message-ID: <044d01c939d7$9dfa0590$2eac170a@LA.FRD.DIRECTV.COM>

Hi,

I'm running mailman 2.1.9 under Ubuntu, and for some reason it seems to somehow be getting stuck once in a while. Almost every day I have to "kick it" to get it going by restarting the process. Although it seems all the qrunner processes are still there, the qfiles seem stuck and until I restart mailman, the queue does not get processed.

I have a couple large lists, to the point that when the queue gets stuck, I can come in the morning and see there are almost 20,000 messages in the qfiles/out directory.

I've been running these lists for a few years now, and they were running fine under mailman in another server, but now I've moved them to a new server, and somehow this is happening.

I see that in logs/error there are a lot of errors related to unparseable message, for example:

Oct 29 07:46:00 2008 (4208) Uncaught runner exception: multipart message with no defined boundary
Oct 29 07:46:00 2008 (4208) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 100, in _oneloop
    msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 164, in dequeue
    msg = email.message_from_string(msg, Message.Message)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", line 51, in message_from_string
    return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parsestr(s)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr
    return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse
    self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 240, in _parsebody
    msgobj = self.parsestr(part)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr
    return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse
    self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 265, in _parsebody
    msg = self.parse(fp)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse
    self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 247, in _parsebody
    'multipart message with no defined boundary')
BoundaryError: multipart message with no defined boundary

Oct 29 07:46:00 2008 (4208) Ignoring unparseable message: 1225156297.669034+58c184ed96a18e9fdad8c658fde5815c31440c01

But anyway, these lists ran without a hitch in the other server with an older version of mailman.

Is there something I can look at to help debug this problem? Right now it looks like I have to resort to a cron entry to restart mailman once a day, probably.. :-(

Thanks for any help
Ricardo

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 29 16:32:34 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:32:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help diagnosing problem
In-Reply-To: <044d01c939d7$9dfa0590$2eac170a@LA.FRD.DIRECTV.COM>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102908323405781a292164@msapiro>

Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
>
>I'm running mailman 2.1.9 under Ubuntu, and for some reason it seems to somehow be getting stuck once in a while. Almost every day I have to "kick it" to get it going by restarting the process. Although it seems all the qrunner processes are still there, the qfiles seem stuck and until I restart mailman, the queue does not get processed.


Which queues are not processed? All or just out/?


>I have a couple large lists, to the point that when the queue gets stuck, I can come in the morning and see there are almost 20,000 messages in the qfiles/out directory.
>
>I've been running these lists for a few years now, and they were running fine under mailman in another server, but now I've moved them to a new server, and somehow this is happening.
>
>I see that in logs/error there are a lot of errors related to unparseable message, for example:
>
<snip>
>
>Oct 29 07:46:00 2008 (4208) Ignoring unparseable message: 1225156297.669034+58c184ed96a18e9fdad8c658fde5815c31440c01


This is malformed spam sent to a list and ignored. It is not related to
your problem.


>But anyway, these lists ran without a hitch in the other server with an older version of mailman.
>
>Is there something I can look at to help debug this problem? Right now it looks like I have to resort to a cron entry to restart mailman once a day, probably.. :-(


I'm guessing it's only the out queue that gets stuck. If so, it is
probably because of some glitch in SMTP delivery to your MTA that is
causing the SMTP library routines to hang waiting for an SMTP response
that never comes.

Look in Mailman's smtp-failure log for clues and see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/-IA9>.
-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From blydiate at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 18:48:15 2008
From: blydiate at gmail.com (Bob Lydiate)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:48:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ubuntu version number
Message-ID: <f6b6e44f0810281048q6b84a0b5h55c339dd759c3a20@mail.gmail.com>

How can I tell what actual version of Mailman I have. I am using mailman on
an Ubuntu server and the Ubuntu version number is not in the same general
format as the mailman version numbers.


<><
Bob Lydiate
><>

From james at jchapman.plus.com  Tue Oct 28 19:25:57 2008
From: james at jchapman.plus.com (James Chapman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:25:57 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman archiver not archiving
Message-ID: <49075935.2090605@jchapman.plus.com>

I've set up postfix / dovecot / mailman on my server and it works well,
except that no messages to mailman lists are archived. The server hosts
several domains, though mailman serves only one of the domains. Mail is
delivered to mailing list subscribers as expected, but the messages are
never added to the mbox archive file. Mailman logs show no errors.

I'm using Fedora 9, mailman 2.1.9, python 2.5.1, postfix 2.5.1, all
installed from standard f9 RPMs.

Archiving is enabled. The aliases for the mailman lists are set up
correctly.

Regular users have mail delivered in Maildir format. Does this affect
mailman?

Any suggestions for things to check?

Thanks!

/james


From jbernier at risd.edu  Tue Oct 28 20:04:50 2008
From: jbernier at risd.edu (Jeff Bernier)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:04:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving Lists
Message-ID: <s9072a23.054@risd.edu>

Hello All,
 
I am a newbie to the Mailman ListServer, so go easy...
 
I have a new server running our new Mailman Lists. I also have an older system containing Mailman lists that I want to migrate to the new server. 
 
Is this possible? If so... how is it done?
 
Any help is appreciated.
 
-Jeff
 
 
"It does not require many words to speak the truth." - Chief Joseph, Great Nez Perce Indian Chief

From kg4giy at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 13:25:07 2008
From: kg4giy at gmail.com (David Lane)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:25:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web link configurations?
Message-ID: <88300db00810290525t7e790f22xc6de5f47b4580807@mail.gmail.com>

I have modified the mm_cfg.py file with the correct DEFAULT_URL_HOST, but
the web links keep defaulting to the hostname of the server instead of the
CNAME (alias) of the site as defined in the mm_cfg.

Where else might mailman be getting the settings from that I haven't checked
yet?

Thanks,

DAVID

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From slund348 at pobox.com  Wed Oct 29 02:19:39 2008
From: slund348 at pobox.com (Steve Lund)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:19:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correct Syntax For SUBSCRIBE Email Command
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081028210334.025adcf8@pop-server.nc.rr.com>

Hello,

Sorry for the stupid question but the documentation shows no examples and I 
am getting tired of playing 20 guesses with Mailman and always loosing. How 
do I make the following work? -

subscribe address= "John Q Public" <jqp123 at pobox.com>

YIELDS:

The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
original message.

- Results:
     Bad digest specifier: "John

- Done.


According to the Help password and digest are optional yet it seems to want 
digest.

Are commands case sensitive?
Are extra spaces a problem and if so where?

I want to include a name to go along with the email address. The web 
interface seems to be content with the above address format. Unfortunately, 
the user doing the subscribing will not be an administrator and will not 
have access to the web interface.


Thanks,

Steve


From scott at jda-networks.com  Tue Oct 28 19:15:13 2008
From: scott at jda-networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:15:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810280941110015951fedda@msapiro>
References: <a0133a7e0810271513o48dd2502od935c6ecdd8c33ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1870200810280941110015951fedda@msapiro>
Message-ID: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202AD88A2@server.jda.local>

Hello all,
Question about using mailman in a virtual domain scenario. I currently
have Postfix on a RHLE server with mailman installed working for a
single domain.

I am configuring Postfix for virtual domains, using the Virtual Mailbox
Domain setup instead of alias domains since I'm assuming I am not going
to have local user accounts for the virtual domains.

I'm getting stuck in the virtual recipient maps section.  I am not sure
how I should setup my maps.  Postfix wants me to map an email address to
a virtual mailbox, but since mailman has multiple email addresses, do I
need a mailbox for each email address?

Thanks in advance!
Scott

From scott at jda-networks.com  Tue Oct 28 19:38:32 2008
From: scott at jda-networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:38:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
References: <a0133a7e0810271513o48dd2502od935c6ecdd8c33ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1870200810280941110015951fedda@msapiro> 
Message-ID: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202AD88AC@server.jda.local>

I did some more research and looked at the Mailman Install info (should
have done that before posting, sorry).  Looks like I need to be using
virtual alias domains instead of virtual mailbox domains. I will work
with this config.  Thanks!
Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Race 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:15 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Mailman on multiple domains

Hello all,
Question about using mailman in a virtual domain scenario. I currently
have Postfix on a RHLE server with mailman installed working for a
single domain.

I am configuring Postfix for virtual domains, using the Virtual Mailbox
Domain setup instead of alias domains since I'm assuming I am not going
to have local user accounts for the virtual domains.

I'm getting stuck in the virtual recipient maps section.  I am not sure
how I should setup my maps.  Postfix wants me to map an email address to
a virtual mailbox, but since mailman has multiple email addresses, do I
need a mailbox for each email address?


Thanks in advance!
Scott

From scott at jda-networks.com  Tue Oct 28 21:18:25 2008
From: scott at jda-networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:18:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
Message-ID: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202AD88CE@server.jda.local>

I have Postfix and Mailman running on a RHLE server.  Mailman and
Postfix work fine for a single domain setup.

 

I have now setup my postfix configuration setup to accept mail for
multiple domains.  I did so editing main.cf to include the new domain I
want to receive mail for, created a local user account for the user, and
created a virtual_alias_maps file which tells the email to the second
domain to forward to the new user account I setup.

 

So I have mailman running on a new VirtualHost, I can create a list from
the web interface, I can join lists and all emails from the system look
ok (having the second domain name).  When posting, I get the following:

 

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

 

      Subject:             Test Post

      Sent:                 10/28/2008 1:11 PM

 

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

 

      Scott-test-request at second-domain.org on 10/28/2008 1:11 PM

            You do not have permission to send to this recipient.  For
assistance, contact your system administrator.

            MSEXCH:MSExchangeIS:/DC=local/DC=jda:SERVER 

 

This must have something to do with my virtual_alias_maps file, which
currently has nothing in it except a map from the second domain to a
local user (which I just did as a test).  I'm sure I'm missing something
here?

 

Thanks

Scott

 


From scott at jda-networks.com  Tue Oct 28 21:20:02 2008
From: scott at jda-networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:20:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
Message-ID: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202AD88D0@server.jda.local>

As a follow-up, I don't seem to have the virtual-mailman file on my
server anywhere as stated in the documentation....

 

________________________________

From: Scott Race 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:18 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Mailman on multiple domains

 

I have Postfix and Mailman running on a RHLE server.  Mailman and
Postfix work fine for a single domain setup.

 

I have now setup my postfix configuration setup to accept mail for
multiple domains.  I did so editing main.cf to include the new domain I
want to receive mail for, created a local user account for the user, and
created a virtual_alias_maps file which tells the email to the second
domain to forward to the new user account I setup.

 

So I have mailman running on a new VirtualHost, I can create a list from
the web interface, I can join lists and all emails from the system look
ok (having the second domain name).  When posting, I get the following:

 

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

 

      Subject:             Test Post

      Sent:                 10/28/2008 1:11 PM

 

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

 

      Scott-test-request at second-domain.org on 10/28/2008 1:11 PM

            You do not have permission to send to this recipient.  For
assistance, contact your system administrator.

            MSEXCH:MSExchangeIS:/DC=local/DC=jda:SERVER 

 

This must have something to do with my virtual_alias_maps file, which
currently has nothing in it except a map from the second domain to a
local user (which I just did as a test).  I'm sure I'm missing something
here?

 

Thanks

Scott

 


From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Oct 29 16:48:55 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:48:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ubuntu version number
In-Reply-To: <f6b6e44f0810281048q6b84a0b5h55c339dd759c3a20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f6b6e44f0810281048q6b84a0b5h55c339dd759c3a20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490885E7.2020709@shub-internet.org>

Bob Lydiate wrote:

> How can I tell what actual version of Mailman I have. I am using mailman on
> an Ubuntu server and the Ubuntu version number is not in the same general
> format as the mailman version numbers.

That sounds like an Ubuntu question that should be asked on the Ubuntu 
mailing lists.

Version number formats I've seen in the past have been like 2.1.5-1, where 
the portion before the dash would be the baseline code from us that they 
started with, and the number after the dash would indicate how many of their 
minor revisions they've made to the code after they forked.

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From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Oct 29 16:49:54 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:49:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman archiver not archiving
In-Reply-To: <49075935.2090605@jchapman.plus.com>
References: <49075935.2090605@jchapman.plus.com>
Message-ID: <49088622.6050504@shub-internet.org>

James Chapman wrote:

> Any suggestions for things to check?

The FAQ?  Try searching for "troubleshooting" or "no mail goes out to 
members", etc....

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From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Wed Oct 29 16:55:54 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:55:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008102814203702030c0a33f0@msapiro>
Message-ID: <13B422210B614E95BA95EA3544BFD26D@gregsrocket>

I'm sorry to turn up in your support forum again, Mark. I've fought hard
here to try to avoid that. The truth is it was our struggle with trying to
configure my old server for mailman back in June and July that proved to be
the straw that broke the camel's back with my old dedicated server hosting
service. In early July I asked them about getting an updated server and
software but the price they quoted was so darn high I decided to bail out on
them and ended up choosing a hosting company that provided much more server
for the $ plus the latest version of Debian Etch (rather than the 5 year old
version of RedHat I was running) for the same price I'd been paying to my
old hosting service. The BIG difference was I had to take full admin
responsibility for my server setup and configuration; but I figured what the
hell, I'm already doing 80% of that job anyway with very little support
coming from my old host. 

So, when my old server came up for renewal at the end of July, I went
month-to-month on my lease with them and bought the new server to take its
place. I struggled through server setup and the migration of all my existing
sites from the old server in August and September. At the end of September
with just 3 sites left to move I grabbed the last 3 sites, made my final
backups, and pulled the plug on the old server on the weekend before it
would have renewed for another month... jumping out the window (from what
turned out to be the 12th floor) with my final backups under my arm. :-)

During October, I struggled to get the server set up to support mailman for
multiple accounts. That entailed installing and testing it for the current
client and setting up the server to support virtual domain hosting under
Apache2, postfix and mailman so that we can eventually support mailman for
multiple domains on this server. Until you mentioned suEXEC in your message
yesterday, I'd nearly forgotten that part of our June-July nightmare. 

When I checked this morning, I found that when Apache2 was installed on this
server it's standard installation process did include suEXEC. However, under
Debian's Apache2 setup, it's easy to disable suEXEC and restart Apache. As
far as I know, nothing else on the server was relying on the presence of
suEXEC and it certainly wasn't my intent to install that Apache feature to
begin with. So, suEXEC has now been disabled. 

Now can we talk about the proper ownership of all the mailman files both IN
/usr/local/mailman directory structure and in the UserAccount/mailman
directory as well? Shouldn't all (or most of) these files be owned by
mailman / mailman? Is that also true in the /archives/private/mylist
directory? What about over in the /home/mylist/www directory? Who should own
the mailman directory there?

I have run bin/check_perms several times but it doesn't complain about any
problems. 

Thanks!

 

Or should I just put take a large dose of cyanide and go take a long nap
instead?

Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:21 PM

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>Could this be a group/owner-ship issue?


Yes. It took me a while, but I finally connected you with our exchanges from
last June/July :)

<snip>
---

There were undoubtedly problems on the old server because of SUExec issues
which I told you at the time was incompatible with Mailman's security model
since Mailman's CGI wrappers can't be SETGID under SUExec and that's the
whole point of the wrappers in the first place.

So ownership and permissions within Mailman have to be such that the SUExec
user can read and write.

But the qrunner processes also have to be able to read and write and they
will run as the mailman user:group.

Normally the owner doesn't matter because everything runs as group mailman,
but that may not be the case here.

<snip>

>and when I check the files in that directory, they're owned by root as 
>a member of the group mailman.

That should be OK because ArchRunner should be running as group mailman and
the files should be group writable.

<snip>

>when I look at the qfiles/shunt directory in the 9/28 backup, 
>the oldest file there seems to be from 09-20-2008. So it looks to me 
>like it was only keeping those shunt files 5 or 6 days before discarding
>them.

If you are running Mailman 2.1.11, there is a cron that runs daily and by
default it discards anything in qfiles/bad and qfiles/shunt older than 7
days. From Defaults.py

# The length of time after which a qfiles/bad or qfiles/shunt file is #
considered to be stale.  Set to zero to disable culling of qfiles/bad and #
qfiles/shunt entries.
BAD_SHUNT_STALE_AFTER = days(7)

# The pathname of a directory (searchable and writable by the Mailman cron #
user) to which the culled qfiles/bad and qfiles/shunt entries will be #
moved.  Set to None to simply delete the culled entries.
BAD_SHUNT_ARCHIVE_DIRECTORY = None

<snip>

So you still have permissions issues.

You could start with bin/check_perms which should get them right except if
the web server is still SUExec, the web interface may not work.



From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Oct 29 17:16:55 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:16:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving Lists
In-Reply-To: <s9072a23.054@risd.edu>
References: <s9072a23.054@risd.edu>
Message-ID: <49088C77.8080101@shub-internet.org>

Jeff Bernier wrote:

> I have a new server running our new Mailman Lists. I also have an older
> system containing Mailman lists that I want to migrate to the new server.
> 
> 
> Is this possible? If so... how is it done?

The Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Frequently+Asked+Questions> has a wealth 
of information.  In particular, there is one entry entitled "How do I move a 
list to a different server-Mailman installation", which is located at 
<http://wiki.list.org/x/2oA9>.

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From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Oct 29 17:20:09 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:20:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web link configurations?
In-Reply-To: <88300db00810290525t7e790f22xc6de5f47b4580807@mail.gmail.com>
References: <88300db00810290525t7e790f22xc6de5f47b4580807@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49088D39.1090705@shub-internet.org>

David Lane wrote:

> I have modified the mm_cfg.py file with the correct DEFAULT_URL_HOST, but
> the web links keep defaulting to the hostname of the server instead of the
> CNAME (alias) of the site as defined in the mm_cfg.
> 
> Where else might mailman be getting the settings from that I haven't checked
> yet?

Keep in mind that a lot of software will re-write hostnames into their 
canonical form.  Most MTAs do this by default (based on a certain reading of 
the RFCs), and I would not be at all surprised to find that web browsers and 
web servers would do the same.

So, the lesson is that before you start blaming anything else, you might 
want to try removing the CNAME alias entirely, and set up a plain A record 
for that name.

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From b19141 at anl.gov  Wed Oct 29 17:32:25 2008
From: b19141 at anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:32:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ubuntu version number
In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Bob Lydiate" <blydiate@gmail.com>'
	dated: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:48:15 -0600
Message-ID: <20081029163225.EB8191746D@britaine.cis.anl.gov>

"Bob Lydiate" <blydiate at gmail.com> wrote:

>How can I tell what actual version of Mailman I have. I am using
>mailman on an Ubuntu server and the Ubuntu version number is not in the
>same general format as the mailman version numbers.

Did you install the Ubuntu/Debian package?  If so, then you have a
mixture of versions.  When I looked at 2.1.9, I reviewed all of the
Debian patches.  Most were undocumented, so I had no idea what they
did.  And I could not determine the base version number.  IIRC, one
patch seemed to be based on 2.1.4 code.  Of three security patches,
two matched the SourceForge source, and one did not.  There is also
a patch that erroneously deletes a library that is sometimes needed.
It was at this time that I decided that I had no idea what source I
was running, and I was not assured of getting assistance from this
Mailman-users group.  So I decided to build my own Ubuntu package from
the SourceForge source.  The only patch I kept was one that placed
libraries in the "proper" directories for Ubuntu.

Short answer - look at the changes file or the patch directory.
My test Mailman virtual machine is down now for patching, so I cannot
give you the exact directories and paths.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 222, Room D209              Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
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From ricardo at americasnet.com  Wed Oct 29 19:23:49 2008
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:23:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] membership disabled message
Message-ID: <04c801c939f3$83929e30$2eac170a@LA.FRD.DIRECTV.COM>

Hi,

One of my lists is the newsletter type, where one person is in charge of doing subs and unsubs.

For this list in particular I don't really care, at all, about sending this disabled message to the users.

In the list config, I set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0 yet I still see mailman sending out these messages.

how can I completely disable this feature?

Thanks
Ricardo

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 29 20:53:01 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:53:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ubuntu version number
In-Reply-To: <f6b6e44f0810281048q6b84a0b5h55c339dd759c3a20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810291253010921eb6cbc9a@msapiro>

Bob Lydiate wrote:

>How can I tell what actual version of Mailman I have. I am using mailman on
>an Ubuntu server and the Ubuntu version number is not in the same general
>format as the mailman version numbers.


You can look in Mailman's data/last_mailman_version

This will contain something like

0x2010bf0

which parses as

2     |    01   |   0b    |   f   |    0
major |  minor  |  micro  |  level|  serial

= 2.1.11 final

for the level,
 a = alpha, b = beta, c = releace candidate and f = final

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 29 21:14:22 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:14:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correct Syntax For SUBSCRIBE Email Command
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081028210334.025adcf8@pop-server.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810291314220187eb6cb9d1@msapiro>

Steve Lund wrote:
>
>Sorry for the stupid question but the documentation shows no examples and I 
>am getting tired of playing 20 guesses with Mailman and always loosing. How 
>do I make the following work? -
>
>subscribe address= "John Q Public" <jqp123 at pobox.com>


You can't. Your syntax is wrong. It parses into 3 arguments:

address=
"John Q Public"
<jqp123 at pobox.com>

but that's not the issue. If it worked, you would need

subscribe 'address= "John Q Public" <jqp123 at pobox.com>'

but that won't work because this form doesn't expect a real name. You
need

subscribe address=jqp123 at pobox.com

Or if you need the real name, send the email

From: "John Q Public" <jqp123 at pobox.com>

with just

subscribe

as the command or send it to the -subscribe address.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 29 21:24:56 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:24:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help diagnosing problem
In-Reply-To: <048d01c939e2$b92c9a70$2eac170a@LA.FRD.DIRECTV.COM>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102913245601874c5d3b73@msapiro>

Ricardo Kleemann wrote:

>Ok, I do see that there are a few errors for malformed remote addresses, but 
>would this cause mailman to stop processing? Looking through smtp-failure I 
>see only a couple of these errors in an hour timeframe, nothing that would 
>cause mailman to get stuck.


The errors you see are symtoms of problems between Mailman and the MTA.
You won't actually see anything in the smtp-failure log about the hang
itself.


>It seems very slow in handling the large outqueue, even though I have a high 
>power server and very fast internet connection. I don't see python taking up 
>much of the cpu, it is processing the out queue, but it would seem to me, 
>very slowly.


Because most of the time is Mailman just waiting for an SMTP response.

If you have Python 2.4 or later, see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/-IA9> for a way to get copious debugging info
from the Python smtplib. Also search the FAQ for 'performance'.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 29 23:51:53 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:51:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] membership disabled message
In-Reply-To: <04c801c939f3$83929e30$2eac170a@LA.FRD.DIRECTV.COM>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102915515308594c5d3e10@msapiro>

Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
>
>One of my lists is the newsletter type, where one person is in charge of doing subs and unsubs.
>
>For this list in particular I don't really care, at all, about sending this disabled message to the users.
>
>In the list config, I set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0 yet I still see mailman sending out these messages.
>
>how can I completely disable this feature?


What you have done will cause any newly bouncing members to be
immediately unsubscribed when their score reaches the threshold.

Those members who were already disabled when you changed
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0, will continue to get notices
until they have received the old number of notices because when a
member is disabled, we store the number of remaining notices for that
member and then decrement it with each notice until it reaches zero.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 30 00:30:15 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:30:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202AD88CE@server.jda.local>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102916301506714f67f06e@msapiro>

Scott Race wrote:
>
>So I have mailman running on a new VirtualHost, I can create a list from
>the web interface, I can join lists and all emails from the system look
>ok (having the second domain name).  When posting, I get the following:
>
> 
>
>Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.
>
> 
>
>      Subject:             Test Post
>
>      Sent:                 10/28/2008 1:11 PM
>
> 
>
>The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
>
> 
>
>      Scott-test-request at second-domain.org on 10/28/2008 1:11 PM
>
>            You do not have permission to send to this recipient.  For
>assistance, contact your system administrator.
>
>            MSEXCH:MSExchangeIS:/DC=local/DC=jda:SERVER 
>
> 
>
>This must have something to do with my virtual_alias_maps file, which
>currently has nothing in it except a map from the second domain to a
>local user (which I just did as a test).  I'm sure I'm missing something
>here?


That message and text did not come from Postfix. I think this is an
Exchange issue that is not allowing the mail to even get as far as
Postfix on the Mailman machine.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 30 00:35:51 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:35:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202AD88D0@server.jda.local>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102916355104684f67efc7@msapiro>

Scott Racewrote:

>As a follow-up, I don't seem to have the virtual-mailman file on my
>server anywhere as stated in the documentation....


Is the virtual domain in

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['the.virtual.domain']

in mm_cfg.py.

Is the host_name of the list = the.virtual.domain

Have you run Mailman's bin/genaliases since setting

MTA= 'Postfix'

and

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['the.virtual.domain']

in mm_cfg.py?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 30 00:50:29 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:50:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <13B422210B614E95BA95EA3544BFD26D@gregsrocket>
Message-ID: <PC18702008102916502909684f67f1a5@msapiro>

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>Now can we talk about the proper ownership of all the mailman files both IN
>/usr/local/mailman directory structure and in the UserAccount/mailman
>directory as well? Shouldn't all (or most of) these files be owned by
>mailman / mailman? Is that also true in the /archives/private/mylist
>directory? What about over in the /home/mylist/www directory? Who should own
>the mailman directory there?
>
>I have run bin/check_perms several times but it doesn't complain about any
>problems. 


check_perms should complain about ownership and permission problems.

Assuming mailman's home directory is NOT /usr/local/mailman and
assuming that prefix, and var_prefix are /usr/local/mailman, mailman's
home directory is irrelevant.

In general everything from /usr/local/mailman on down should be group
mailman (owner doesn't matter) and directories need to be g+rws and
files g+rw.

See the post at
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-October/063748.html>.
 
-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Thu Oct 30 03:03:26 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:03:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008102916502909684f67f1a5@msapiro>
Message-ID: <E1F73257D3B142508952B5437DEE6414@gregsrocket>

It looks to me like check_perms has a hole in it, Mark. If you take a close
look at the error I've been getting repeatedly since early July (see below),
you'll see it consistently occurs on the index.html table in the
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mylist directory. Here are the
permissions on that file:

12 -rw-r--r--  1 mailman mailman   11452 Oct 20 07:01 index.html

Please note that the permissions on that file are 644 and not 664. I just
ran check_perms on this account. It reported "No Problems Found". Yet when
Archrunner runs and tries to open that file to replace it, it reports a
permissions error for that file. In short, check_perms reports those 644
permissions are just fine while you're telling me they should be 664 and
ARCHrunner complains they're NOT fine. This suggests to me check_perms isn't
doing its job very well.

Am I wrong about this?

Here's the error ARCHrunner has been reporting repeatedly since early
July... 

Oct 28 10:09:30 2008 (2589) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission
denied: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mylist/index.html'
Oct 28 10:09:30 2008 (2589) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in
_dispose
    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 217, in
ArchiveMa
il
    h.close()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 324, in
close
    self.write_TOC()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1097, in
write_T
OC
    toc = open(os.path.join(self.basedir, 'index.html'), 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mylist/index.html'

What am I missing here?


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:50 PM
To: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
archive process running?

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>Now can we talk about the proper ownership of all the mailman files both IN
>/usr/local/mailman directory structure and in the UserAccount/mailman
>directory as well? Shouldn't all (or most of) these files be owned by
>mailman / mailman? Is that also true in the /archives/private/mylist
>directory? What about over in the /home/mylist/www directory? Who should
own
>the mailman directory there?
>
>I have run bin/check_perms several times but it doesn't complain about any
>problems. 


check_perms should complain about ownership and permission problems.

Assuming mailman's home directory is NOT /usr/local/mailman and
assuming that prefix, and var_prefix are /usr/local/mailman, mailman's
home directory is irrelevant.

In general everything from /usr/local/mailman on down should be group
mailman (owner doesn't matter) and directories need to be g+rws and
files g+rw.

See the post at
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-October/063748.html>.
 
-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Thu Oct 30 03:10:18 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:10:18 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008102916502909684f67f1a5@msapiro>
Message-ID: <6F8393A4DDA34F4EB1257F4E14B039E3@gregsrocket>

You said:

> Assuming mailman's home directory is NOT /usr/local/mailman and
> assuming that prefix, and var_prefix are /usr/local/mailman, mailman's
> home directory is irrelevant.

But mailman's home directory (where all its programs, scripts, archives and
discussion lists are stored) IS /usr/local/mailman and according to my
Mailman/Defaults.py, both var_prefix and prefix are also /user/local/mailman

PREFIX          = '/usr/local/mailman'
VAR_PREFIX      = '/usr/local/mailman'

How does that change things?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:50 PM
To: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
archive process running?

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>Now can we talk about the proper ownership of all the mailman files both IN
>/usr/local/mailman directory structure and in the UserAccount/mailman
>directory as well? Shouldn't all (or most of) these files be owned by
>mailman / mailman? Is that also true in the /archives/private/mylist
>directory? What about over in the /home/mylist/www directory? Who should
own
>the mailman directory there?
>
>I have run bin/check_perms several times but it doesn't complain about any
>problems. 


check_perms should complain about ownership and permission problems.

Assuming mailman's home directory is NOT /usr/local/mailman and
assuming that prefix, and var_prefix are /usr/local/mailman, mailman's
home directory is irrelevant.

In general everything from /usr/local/mailman on down should be group
mailman (owner doesn't matter) and directories need to be g+rws and
files g+rw.

See the post at
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-October/063748.html>.
 
-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 30 03:55:38 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:55:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <6F8393A4DDA34F4EB1257F4E14B039E3@gregsrocket>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810291955380046eb6cb954@msapiro>

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>> Assuming mailman's home directory is NOT /usr/local/mailman and
>> assuming that prefix, and var_prefix are /usr/local/mailman, mailman's
>> home directory is irrelevant.
>
>But mailman's home directory (where all its programs, scripts, archives and
>discussion lists are stored) IS /usr/local/mailman and according to my
>Mailman/Defaults.py, both var_prefix and prefix are also /user/local/mailman
>
>PREFIX          = '/usr/local/mailman'
>VAR_PREFIX      = '/usr/local/mailman'
>
>How does that change things?


When you said:
>>
>>Now can we talk about the proper ownership of all the mailman files both IN
>>/usr/local/mailman directory structure and in the UserAccount/mailman
>>directory as well?


it seemed to me you were talking about two separate directories,
/usr/local/mailman and UserAccount/mailman. Whether or not these are
separate directories or the same directory, the ownership and
permissions on /usr/local/mailman are the only ones that matter.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 30 04:18:21 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:18:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <E1F73257D3B142508952B5437DEE6414@gregsrocket>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810292018210984b0e3bcad@msapiro>

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:

>It looks to me like check_perms has a hole in it, Mark. If you take a close
>look at the error I've been getting repeatedly since early July (see below),
>you'll see it consistently occurs on the index.html table in the
>/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mylist directory. Here are the
>permissions on that file:
>
>12 -rw-r--r--  1 mailman mailman   11452 Oct 20 07:01 index.html
>
>Please note that the permissions on that file are 644 and not 664. I just
>ran check_perms on this account. It reported "No Problems Found". Yet when
>Archrunner runs and tries to open that file to replace it, it reports a
>permissions error for that file. In short, check_perms reports those 644
>permissions are just fine while you're telling me they should be 664 and
>ARCHrunner complains they're NOT fine. This suggests to me check_perms isn't
>doing its job very well.


This appears to be a problem with check_perms. You are correct that it
isn't doing its job very well.

There are a lot of files it doesn't check, and at least some of those
should be checked. I'll look into fixing that. Thanks for pointing it
out.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 30 04:37:41 2008
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:37:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing a user's email address
Message-ID: <49092C05.3030206@bellsouth.net>

Suppose I have a user that changes his email address and I don't want to
wait for that user to confirm the address change? How do I change the
address of any user simply as the list admin with no involvement of the
list member? Thanks.

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From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 30 05:02:21 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:02:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing a user's email address
In-Reply-To: <49092C05.3030206@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810292102210250eb6cba0f@msapiro>

Dennis Putnam wrote:
>
>Suppose I have a user that changes his email address and I don't want to
>wait for that user to confirm the address change? How do I change the
>address of any user simply as the list admin with no involvement of the
>list member? Thanks.


If you have command line access, use bin/clone_member.

If not, this is an as yet unimplemented feature request. The only way
to currently do it as a list admin is to add the new address, set all
its member options the same as the old address and remove the old
address, but this changes the member's password so it isn't completely
satisfactory.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Thu Oct 30 05:27:22 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:27:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810291955380046eb6cb954@msapiro>
Message-ID: <AFD2334B62BB4460B3D4B7BA4362A703@gregsrocket>

I've probably just misunderstood something here. When you helped me with my
setup in July, you had me create a mailman directory in the user's web space
and we used that directory somehow. I've forgotten the exact reason we did
that now but I vaguely recall it had something to do with working around my
old Redhat 7.2 and Apache 1.2 server's suEXEC setup to gain access to the
mailman programs. The user's web account still has that mailman directory
present in it. It hadn't occurred to me yet that it might not need to be
there at all now.

To help jog your memory, its setup looks like this:

myserver:/home/mylist/www# ls -als mailman
total 12
4 drwxr-xr-x  3 mylist mylist 4096 Oct 20 07:22 .
4 drwxr-xr-x 12 mylist mylist 4096 Oct 29 17:46 ..
4 drwxrwsr-x  2    598 mylist 4096 Oct 28 06:53 mail

myserver:/home/mylist/www# ls -als mailman/mail
total 48
 4 drwxrwsr-x 2    598 mylist  4096 Oct 28 06:53 .
 4 drwxr-xr-x 3 mylist mylist  4096 Oct 20 07:22 ..
40 -rwxr-xr-x 1                 598 mylist 39801 Jun 29 18:41 mailman

So, when I asked about ownership and permissions and mentioned "the
UserAccount/mailman directory", that's the directory I was referring to.
Sorry if I confused you. :-(

Should I just remove that "spare" mailman directory from the user's space
now?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:56 PM
To: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
archive process running?

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>> Assuming mailman's home directory is NOT /usr/local/mailman and
>> assuming that prefix, and var_prefix are /usr/local/mailman, mailman's
>> home directory is irrelevant.
>
>But mailman's home directory (where all its programs, scripts, archives and
>discussion lists are stored) IS /usr/local/mailman and according to my
>Mailman/Defaults.py, both var_prefix and prefix are also
/user/local/mailman
>
>PREFIX          = '/usr/local/mailman'
>VAR_PREFIX      = '/usr/local/mailman'
>
>How does that change things?


When you said:
>>
>>Now can we talk about the proper ownership of all the mailman files both
IN
>>/usr/local/mailman directory structure and in the UserAccount/mailman
>>directory as well?


it seemed to me you were talking about two separate directories,
/usr/local/mailman and UserAccount/mailman. Whether or not these are
separate directories or the same directory, the ownership and
permissions on /usr/local/mailman are the only ones that matter.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Thu Oct 30 05:59:33 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:59:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810292018210984b0e3bcad@msapiro>
Message-ID: <C7F47229C4674FF9BFA4F99E7D1266E7@gregsrocket>

LOL!! Bear in mind my guru friend that what's apparent to someone with your
years of experience and wisdom isn't the least bit obvious to a mailman
newcomers like me. Na?ve as it may be, we tend to assume that when the
program says it checked permissions and found no problems we're not likely
to encounter permission issues with mailman's own automated processes later.
I know that's a silly assumption to make, but we'll tend to make it anyway.
;-)

That's why I deliberately avoided seeking your help while I struggled and
did extensive testing and research for DAYS trying to figure out exactly how
to configure Apache, Postfix and Mailman with virtual alias domains so that
I might at least have a prayer someday of being able to support more than
one mailman discussion list on my server. As a result of that struggle, I
may not know everything there IS to know, but at least understand the basic
concepts now.

I'm engaged in a similar struggle now in trying to understand mailman
ownership and permissions. I'm not sure I understand how ownership and
permissions play out in mailman. So, I'm forced to proceed with absolute
faith that YOU know what you're doing, sir. For my part, I feel like a blind
man who is flying a wide-body jet filled with screaming passengers into
Atlanta at rush hour for the first time. And YOU and the mailman tools are
my ONLY guides. So, since the check_perms tool doesn't work flawlessly, I'm
relying on you to tell me how to do it right, oh Guru! B-)

Thanks for being so patient and understanding.



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:18 PM
To: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
archive process running?

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:

>It looks to me like check_perms has a hole in it, Mark. If you take a close
>look at the error I've been getting repeatedly since early July (see
below),
>you'll see it consistently occurs on the index.html table in the
>/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mylist directory. Here are the
>permissions on that file:
>
>12 -rw-r--r--  1 mailman mailman   11452 Oct 20 07:01 index.html
>
>Please note that the permissions on that file are 644 and not 664. I just
>ran check_perms on this account. It reported "No Problems Found". Yet when
>Archrunner runs and tries to open that file to replace it, it reports a
>permissions error for that file. In short, check_perms reports those 644
>permissions are just fine while you're telling me they should be 664 and
>ARCHrunner complains they're NOT fine. This suggests to me check_perms
isn't
>doing its job very well.


This appears to be a problem with check_perms. You are correct that it
isn't doing its job very well.

There are a lot of files it doesn't check, and at least some of those
should be checked. I'll look into fixing that. Thanks for pointing it
out.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Thu Oct 30 16:54:25 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:54:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hurray! My archive works again... User warning for
	check_perms!
Message-ID: <FDA9C6E6E99D432283252D8F12D9A569@gregsrocket>

I'm pleased to report my mailman archive update process is working again. As
it turned out, what was keeping the feature from working was ownership
and/or permissions on files in /usr/mailman/archives/private/[LISTNAME] and
/usr/mailman/archives/private/[LISTNAME]/database directories. Somehow, (I'm
not sure how) many -- but not all -- files in those directories were owned
by root rather than by mailman and many of them also had permissions of 644
(rw-r--r--) RATHER than 664 (rw-rw-r--). That has been corrected now and ALL
files in the mailman directory structure are now owned by mailman PLUS the
permissions on virtually all data files are 664 and not 644.

 

This issue apparently goes back to when mailman was first laid down on our
old server in the early summer; because a check of the last backup taken
from the old server at the end of September shows ALL files in those
directories were owned by root and not by mailman. That was CLEARLY caused
by some error I made when installing and setting up mailman. 

 

I added, the "User warning for check_perms" because although the perms shown
on that final old-server backup were 664 for all mailman files in
/usr/mailman/archives/private/mylist directory and 660 for all files in
/usr/mailman/archives/private/mylist/database and check_perms reported "No
Problems Found", check_perms was flat wrong about that. The ownership on ALL
those files was wrong but check_perms failed to detect and report that
issue. This issue has been reported and should soon be fixed. But in the
meantime be cautions about putting too much faith in check_perms in mailman
v2.1.11.

 

The data files in those directories must ALL be owned by mailman. In our
case they were owned by ROOT! That prevented mailman's ARCHrunner from
updating the archive and produced the same errors every day for almost 3
months when mailman tried to update the archive. The errors were recorded
each day in the mailman error log (/usr/local/mailman/logs/error); but I
never checked the error log!  Duhhh! Also, because of those errors the
archives were not updated for 3 months and mailman's automatic cleanup
process was systematically discarding ALL new posts that hadn't been updated
after 7 days. Sadly, neither I nor anyone else was checking the archive
either. Double Duhhh!! So, in the end we lost 3 months worth of archive
updates.

 

The lessons here are: 

 

1.    Just because check_perms reports "No Problems Found", don't assume
everything is set right or working correctly. CHECK THE ERROR LOG and CHECK
THE ARCHIVES! Then, DOUBLE-CHECK both the file and directory permissions and
OWNERSHIPs in the archive directories for each of your mailman lists. There
is a post in the archives that briefly explains exactly what permissions
should be for both files and directories. You'll find that post here:

 

<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-October/063748.html>.

 

2.       If you don't understand why your list's permissions and ownerships
are set the way they are, keep asking questions until you DO understand.
Otherwise you may wake up one day as I did and need to explain to your
client why 3 months of their conversations have unexpectedly gone missing.
:-(

 

A word to the wise.

 

 


From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Thu Oct 30 17:45:24 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:45:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Seeking qfiles/shunt recovery advice.
Message-ID: <53F91917CAB04AB8B06D29E605FAB42A@gregsrocket>

Now that my archiver is working again, I have several files in qfiles/shunt
that I'd like to recover and convince mailman to insert into my (now
working) October archive. If it's possible to do so, I also have a few
shunted files from the end of September that I'd like to recover and have
included in the September archive as well.

 

Under the circumstances, I'd rather not attack this using a trial and error
process. Can anyone point me to a post that explains how to retrieve and
recover pck files from the qfiles/shunt directory and convince ARCHrunner to
try processing them again?

 

Thanks!


From faisalanif at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 29 19:19:38 2008
From: faisalanif at hotmail.com (faisal anif)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:19:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message delivery eating disk space ..
Message-ID: <BLU144-W100774211E752EDE45DDF6DF260@phx.gbl>


Hi,
 
I have a Virtual private server (Fedora, 256 RAM, 10 GB HDD). I'm hosting an announcement list of about 15,000 addresses. I noticed that each time I post a message to the list, the free disk space (command: df -h) is decreasing even after mailman finishes delivering all the messages. I had to reprovision the server and format the hard drive twice and restore my data when the disk is full!
 
is there a kind of temporary files that mailman doesn't cleanup? what can I do?
 
Thanks
 
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From gray at agora-net.com  Thu Oct 30 00:21:04 2008
From: gray at agora-net.com (John Gray)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:21:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Processing missed digests...
Message-ID: <4908EFE0.7030901@agora-net.com>

the box had been running our mailman set up died.

No problem, I had another box ready to take its place.

But the mailman cron jobs didn't run for about a week.

Is there a way for get senddigets to send out the digests for the 
missing days?

Or did senddigest send everything since the last digest?

Thanks,
John

From james at jchapman.plus.com  Thu Oct 30 10:45:27 2008
From: james at jchapman.plus.com (James Chapman)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:45:27 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman archiver not archiving
In-Reply-To: <49075935.2090605@jchapman.plus.com>
References: <49075935.2090605@jchapman.plus.com>
Message-ID: <49098237.5090106@jchapman.plus.com>

Problem solved.

The root cause turned out to be wrong file ownership of the aliases file
in /etc/mailman.

James Chapman wrote:
> I've set up postfix / dovecot / mailman on my server and it works well,
> except that no messages to mailman lists are archived. The server hosts
> several domains, though mailman serves only one of the domains. Mail is
> delivered to mailing list subscribers as expected, but the messages are
> never added to the mbox archive file. Mailman logs show no errors.
>
> I'm using Fedora 9, mailman 2.1.9, python 2.5.1, postfix 2.5.1, all
> installed from standard f9 RPMs.
>
> Archiving is enabled. The aliases for the mailman lists are set up
> correctly.
>
> Regular users have mail delivered in Maildir format. Does this affect
> mailman?
>
> Any suggestions for things to check?
>
> Thanks!
>
> /james
>   


From stace at mcs.anl.gov  Thu Oct 30 00:58:11 2008
From: stace at mcs.anl.gov (Craig Stacey)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:58:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix, Mailman, and postfix-to-mailman.py trouble
Message-ID: <9827A8ED-E296-49E5-9042-14C85464F868@mcs.anl.gov>

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I've searched the archives on this, and haven't come up with a  
solution, any tips would be appreciated.  I'll begin by describing our  
setup.

We run a number of virtual domains on our mailman server.  In each  
case, we run a separate instance of mailman for each domain.  The  
handoff from postfix to mailman is done via postfix-to-mailman.py.  It  
doesn't *feel* like that is relevant to the problem, but in case it  
is, here are the relevant bits from master.cf and transport:

master.cf:
mailmancom   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
   flags=FR user=list argv=/www/lists.example.com/bin/postfix-to- 
mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}
mailmanorg   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
   flags=FR user=list argv=/www/lists.example.org/bin/postfix-to- 
mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}
mailmannet   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
   flags=FR user=list argv=/www/lists.example.net/bin/postfix-to- 
mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}


transport:
lists.example.com   mailmancom:
lists.example.org   mailmanorg:
lists.example.net   mailmannet:

I'm explaining it this way to lay out why we're running things through  
the postfix-to-mailman.py script instead of the traditional method.   
In the above domains, there are numerous duplication of listnames, and  
this seemed the best path to resolution.  I realize postfix-to- 
mailman.py is not official (or supported), but I'm wondering if anyone  
else has come across this issue.

Now, here's the behavior we observe.

If a is sent to multiple lists in a domain, only the first list  
(alphabetically) will see it.  This includes when multiple lists  
within the same domain are defined in the To: line, or in an umbrella  
list situation where the member lists live in the same domain.

When looking at the logfiles, we can see the messages go in multiple  
times, but only spit out once on the other side.

An example:

/var/log/mail.info:

Oct 27 14:39:23 owney postfix/pipe[16420]: 0788A8F6B2: to=<core-other at lists.example.com 
 >, relay=mailmancom, delay=0, status=sent (lists.example.com)
Oct 27 14:39:23 owney postfix/pipe[16420]: 0788A8F6B2: to=<core-staff at lists.example.com 
 >, relay=mailmancom, delay=0, status=sent (lists.example.com)
Oct 27 14:39:23 owney postfix/pipe[16420]: 0788A8F6B2: to=<core-students at lists.example.com 
 >, relay=mailmancom, delay=0, status=sent (lists.example.com)


Then, from /www/lists.example.com/logs/smtp, we see only one come out  
the other side:

Oct 27 14:39:23 2008 (2652) <B99088C8-7429-4FBA-ADE8-56E6DCF03ABD at stace.com 
 > smtp to core-other for 2 recips, completed in 0.013 seconds

Three messages go in, one comes out the other end.

I did some logging, and found that postfix-to-mailman.py is only  
processing *one* message.  The script gets the listname from this line:

         local = sys.argv[2]

All the docs specify you should put this line in main.cf:

mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1

I can find no documentation on that particular config, but it seems  
like it's telling postfix to only put one recipient per message when  
sending to mailman, which would jibe with what the variable setting in  
the above script is looking for.

However, it looks like that setting is totally being ignored by our  
postfix install.  If I type "postconf", I do *not* see  
"mailman_destination_recipient_limit" listed in the output.  That  
seems to me to indicate to me that it's not being honored.

Am I off base here?  Has anyone run into this before?

We're running the unbuntu 6.06 version of postfix (2.2.10-1ubuntu),  
and all of the mailman instances are installed from source due to our  
above virtual list setup.

Any help on this unsupported config is greatly appreciated. :)
==
Craig




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From cite+mailman-users at incertum.net  Thu Oct 30 22:23:31 2008
From: cite+mailman-users at incertum.net (Stefan =?utf-8?Q?F=C3=B6rster?=)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:23:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix, Mailman,
	and postfix-to-mailman.py trouble
In-Reply-To: <9827A8ED-E296-49E5-9042-14C85464F868@mcs.anl.gov>
References: <9827A8ED-E296-49E5-9042-14C85464F868@mcs.anl.gov>
Message-ID: <20081030212331.GA5869@mail.incertum.net>

* Craig Stacey <stace at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
> master.cf:
> mailmancom   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
>   flags=FR user=list argv=/www/lists.example.com/bin/postfix-to-
> mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}
> mailmanorg   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
>   flags=FR user=list argv=/www/lists.example.org/bin/postfix-to-
> mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}
> mailmannet   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
>   flags=FR user=list argv=/www/lists.example.net/bin/postfix-to-
> mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}
> 
> 
> transport:
> lists.example.com   mailmancom:
> lists.example.org   mailmanorg:
> lists.example.net   mailmannet:
> 
> /var/log/mail.info:
> 
> Oct 27 14:39:23 owney postfix/pipe[16420]: 0788A8F6B2:
> to=<core-other at lists.example.com >, relay=mailmancom, delay=0, status=sent
> (lists.example.com)
> Oct 27 14:39:23 owney postfix/pipe[16420]: 0788A8F6B2:
> to=<core-staff at lists.example.com >, relay=mailmancom, delay=0, status=sent
> (lists.example.com)
> Oct 27 14:39:23 owney postfix/pipe[16420]: 0788A8F6B2:
> to=<core-students at lists.example.com >, relay=mailmancom, delay=0,
> status=sent (lists.example.com)

You are sending three messages to three different localparts
(core-other at lists.example.com, core-staff at lists.example.com,
core-students at lists.example.com) in one domain (lists.example.com), so
Postfix is using the same transport - pretty normal so far.

> Then, from /www/lists.example.com/logs/smtp, we see only one come out
> the other side:
> 
> Oct 27 14:39:23 2008 (2652) <B99088C8-7429-4FBA-ADE8-56E6DCF03ABD at stace.com
>> smtp to core-other for 2 recips, completed in 0.013 seconds

I think the "post" logfile would be more interesting.

> Three messages go in, one comes out the other end.
> 
> I did some logging, and found that postfix-to-mailman.py is only
> processing *one* message.  The script gets the listname from this line:
> 
>         local = sys.argv[2]
> 
> All the docs specify you should put this line in main.cf:
> 
> mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1
> 
> I can find no documentation on that particular config, but it seems
> like it's telling postfix to only put one recipient per message when
> sending to mailman, which would jibe with what the variable setting in
> the above script is looking for.

No, since sys.argv[1] should yield the ${nexthop} setting from
master.cf, i.e. the recipient domain (which is ignored by the script).

> However, it looks like that setting is totally being ignored by our
> postfix install.  If I type "postconf", I do *not* see
> "mailman_destination_recipient_limit" listed in the output.  That
> seems to me to indicate to me that it's not being honored.

That's perfectly normal - any custom variables defined in main.cf
don't show in postconf -n output.


Ciao
Stefan
-- 
Stefan F?rster     http://www.incertum.net/     Public Key: 0xBBE2A9E9
Wenn Frauen nicht mehr wissen, was sie tun sollen, ziehen sie sich aus, und das ist wahrscheinlich das
Beste, was Frauen tun k?nnen.
Samuel Beckett

From cite+mailman-users at incertum.net  Thu Oct 30 22:25:58 2008
From: cite+mailman-users at incertum.net (Stefan =?utf-8?Q?F=C3=B6rster?=)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:25:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix, Mailman,
	and postfix-to-mailman.py trouble
In-Reply-To: <20081030212331.GA5869@mail.incertum.net>
References: <9827A8ED-E296-49E5-9042-14C85464F868@mcs.anl.gov>
	<20081030212331.GA5869@mail.incertum.net>
Message-ID: <20081030212557.GB5869@mail.incertum.net>

Followup to myself:

* Stefan F?rster <cite+mailman-users at incertum.net> wrote:
> * Craig Stacey <stace at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>> master.cf:
>> mailmancom   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
>>   flags=FR user=list argv=/www/lists.example.com/bin/postfix-to-
>> mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}
>> mailmanorg   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
>>   flags=FR user=list argv=/www/lists.example.org/bin/postfix-to-
>> mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}
>> mailmannet   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
>>   flags=FR user=list argv=/www/lists.example.net/bin/postfix-to-
>> mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}
[...]
>> All the docs specify you should put this line in main.cf:
>> 
>> mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1

Did you do that?

I.e., did you specify:
mailmancom_destination_recipient_limit = 1
mailmanorg_destination_recipient_limit = 1
mailmannet_destination_recipient_limit = 1



Ciao
Stefan
-- 
Stefan F?rster     http://www.incertum.net/     Public Key: 0xBBE2A9E9
"The axiom 'An honest man has nothing to fear from the police'
is currently under review by the Axiom Review Board" -- Terry Prachett, "Men At Arms"

From stace at mcs.anl.gov  Thu Oct 30 23:11:12 2008
From: stace at mcs.anl.gov (Craig Stacey)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:11:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix, Mailman,
	and postfix-to-mailman.py trouble
In-Reply-To: <20081030212557.GB5869@mail.incertum.net>
References: <9827A8ED-E296-49E5-9042-14C85464F868@mcs.anl.gov>
	<20081030212331.GA5869@mail.incertum.net>
	<20081030212557.GB5869@mail.incertum.net>
Message-ID: <328C92EE-8A92-492A-9984-BA6BDAC7038E@mcs.anl.gov>

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On Oct 30, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Stefan F?rster wrote:

> Followup to myself:
>
> * Stefan F?rster <cite+mailman-users at incertum.net> wrote:
>> * Craig Stacey <stace at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>>> master.cf:
>>> mailmancom   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
>>>  flags=FR user=list argv=/www/lists.example.com/bin/postfix-to-
>>> mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}
>>> mailmanorg   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
>>>  flags=FR user=list argv=/www/lists.example.org/bin/postfix-to-
>>> mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}
>>> mailmannet   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
>>>  flags=FR user=list argv=/www/lists.example.net/bin/postfix-to-
>>> mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}
> [...]
>>> All the docs specify you should put this line in main.cf:
>>>
>>> mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1
>
> Did you do that?
>
> I.e., did you specify:
> mailmancom_destination_recipient_limit = 1
> mailmanorg_destination_recipient_limit = 1
> mailmannet_destination_recipient_limit = 1

This is precisely the magic we were missing.  I'm unfamiliar with that  
config line and has assumed the "mailman" portion of it was a mailman  
specific thing, not a transport thing.  This has solved our problem,  
thank you so much!


==
Craig



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From brad at shub-internet.org  Thu Oct 30 23:32:06 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:32:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message delivery eating disk space ..
In-Reply-To: <BLU144-W100774211E752EDE45DDF6DF260@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU144-W100774211E752EDE45DDF6DF260@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <490A35E6.4070208@shub-internet.org>

faisal anif wrote:

> I have a Virtual private server (Fedora, 256 RAM, 10 GB HDD). I'm hosting
> an announcement list of about 15,000 addresses. I noticed that each time
> I post a message to the list, the free disk space (command: df -h) is
> decreasing even after mailman finishes delivering all the messages. I had
> to reprovision the server and format the hard drive twice and restore my
> data when the disk is full!

Did you go in and actually check to see which directory hierarchy was using 
up the disk space?  It's kind of hard to solve a problem if you don't 
actually look to see what the cause is.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 31 07:52:04 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:52:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hurray! My archive works again... User warning
	for check_perms!
In-Reply-To: <FDA9C6E6E99D432283252D8F12D9A569@gregsrocket>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810302352040765a38d2801@Notebook>

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>I'm pleased to report my mailman archive update process is working again. As
>it turned out, what was keeping the feature from working was ownership
>and/or permissions on files in /usr/mailman/archives/private/[LISTNAME] and
>/usr/mailman/archives/private/[LISTNAME]/database directories. Somehow, (I'm
>not sure how) many -- but not all -- files in those directories were owned
>by root rather than by mailman and many of them also had permissions of 644
>(rw-r--r--) RATHER than 664 (rw-rw-r--). That has been corrected now and ALL
>files in the mailman directory structure are now owned by mailman PLUS the
>permissions on virtually all data files are 664 and not 644.
>
> 
>
>This issue apparently goes back to when mailman was first laid down on our
>old server in the early summer; because a check of the last backup taken
>from the old server at the end of September shows ALL files in those
>directories were owned by root and not by mailman. That was CLEARLY caused
>by some error I made when installing and setting up mailman. 


The files were owned by root because you did the install as root. This
is normally not a problem because the files are group mailman and are
group writable and the Mailman processes all run as group mailman.

What fixed the present issue for you was changing permissions from 644
to 664. Changing owner to mailman didn't hurt, but by itself, it
wouldn't solve all problems because while the qrunners run as the
mailman user, the web CGIs don't and mail delivery may or may not
depending on the MTA.


>I added, the "User warning for check_perms" because although the perms shown
>on that final old-server backup were 664 for all mailman files in
>/usr/mailman/archives/private/mylist directory and 660 for all files in
>/usr/mailman/archives/private/mylist/database and check_perms reported "No
>Problems Found", check_perms was flat wrong about that. The ownership on ALL
>those files was wrong but check_perms failed to detect and report that
>issue. This issue has been reported and should soon be fixed. But in the
>meantime be cautions about putting too much faith in check_perms in mailman
>v2.1.11.


Checkperms doesn't check owner because access control is by group and
owner doesn't matter.

Check_perms reporting no problem when group is mailman and files are
g+rw and directories are g+rws is not a problem. The problem with
check_perms is it doesn't report an error for many g-w files that need
to be g+w.


>The data files in those directories must ALL be owned by mailman. In our
>case they were owned by ROOT!


Changing the ownership would 'fix' that problem, but if the files had
been group mailman and g+w, there would be no problem even if they
were owned by root.


>That prevented mailman's ARCHrunner from
>updating the archive and produced the same errors every day for almost 3
>months when mailman tried to update the archive. The errors were recorded
>each day in the mailman error log (/usr/local/mailman/logs/error); but I
>never checked the error log!  Duhhh! Also, because of those errors the
>archives were not updated for 3 months and mailman's automatic cleanup
>process was systematically discarding ALL new posts that hadn't been updated
>after 7 days. Sadly, neither I nor anyone else was checking the archive
>either. Double Duhhh!! So, in the end we lost 3 months worth of archive
>updates.
>
> 
>
>The lessons here are: 
>
> 
>
>1.    Just because check_perms reports "No Problems Found", don't assume
>everything is set right or working correctly. CHECK THE ERROR LOG and CHECK
>THE ARCHIVES! Then, DOUBLE-CHECK both the file and directory permissions and
>OWNERSHIPs in the archive directories for each of your mailman lists. There
>is a post in the archives that briefly explains exactly what permissions
>should be for both files and directories. You'll find that post here:
>
> 
>
><http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-October/063748.html>.


Good advice.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 31 07:59:00 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:59:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <AFD2334B62BB4460B3D4B7BA4362A703@gregsrocket>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810302359000531a38d2713@Notebook>

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:

>I've probably just misunderstood something here. When you helped me with my
>setup in July, you had me create a mailman directory in the user's web space
>and we used that directory somehow. I've forgotten the exact reason we did
>that now but I vaguely recall it had something to do with working around my
>old Redhat 7.2 and Apache 1.2 server's suEXEC setup to gain access to the
>mailman programs. The user's web account still has that mailman directory
>present in it. It hadn't occurred to me yet that it might not need to be
>there at all now.
>
>To help jog your memory, its setup looks like this:
>
>myserver:/home/mylist/www# ls -als mailman
>total 12
>4 drwxr-xr-x  3 mylist mylist 4096 Oct 20 07:22 .
>4 drwxr-xr-x 12 mylist mylist 4096 Oct 29 17:46 ..
>4 drwxrwsr-x  2    598 mylist 4096 Oct 28 06:53 mail
>
>myserver:/home/mylist/www# ls -als mailman/mail
>total 48
> 4 drwxrwsr-x 2    598 mylist  4096 Oct 28 06:53 .
> 4 drwxr-xr-x 3 mylist mylist  4096 Oct 20 07:22 ..
>40 -rwxr-xr-x 1                 598 mylist 39801 Jun 29 18:41 mailman
>
>So, when I asked about ownership and permissions and mentioned "the
>UserAccount/mailman directory", that's the directory I was referring to.
>Sorry if I confused you. :-(
>
>Should I just remove that "spare" mailman directory from the user's space
>now?


The only thing there is the mailman/mail/mailman wrapper whose sole
purpose is to be SETGID mailman so that mail delivery runs in the
mailman group. Since this wrapper isn't SETGID or group mailman, it
wouldn't work in this installation anyway, so yes, just remove this
directory.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 31 08:04:08 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:04:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Seeking qfiles/shunt recovery advice.
In-Reply-To: <53F91917CAB04AB8B06D29E605FAB42A@gregsrocket>
Message-ID: <PC187020081031000408076514ceb405@Notebook>

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:

>Now that my archiver is working again, I have several files in qfiles/shunt
>that I'd like to recover and convince mailman to insert into my (now
>working) October archive. If it's possible to do so, I also have a few
>shunted files from the end of September that I'd like to recover and have
>included in the September archive as well.
>
> 
>
>Under the circumstances, I'd rather not attack this using a trial and error
>process. Can anyone point me to a post that explains how to retrieve and
>recover pck files from the qfiles/shunt directory and convince ARCHrunner to
>try processing them again?


Run Mailman's bin/unshunt --help

In this case all you should need to do is put the old *.pck files from
the old shunt directory into the current shunt directory along with
the current shunted *.pck files and run 'bin/unshunt'.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Fri Oct 31 14:10:21 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:10:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Seeking qfiles/shunt recovery advice.
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081031000408076514ceb405@Notebook>
Message-ID: <A5FD9B1F8BD9449F92B92BA327D08BC9@gregsrocket>

As usual, you're right, Mark. That fixed it. As a result, I was able to
recover at least some of the archived messages from September and many of
the October messages that occurred during the "resurrection" and testing
period too. 

My trouble here was I could find no docs about shunt to guide me and never
realized unshunt existed until I saw your note. I went for help to the only
place I knew of where mailman's command line utilities were listed:
www.gnu.org/software/mailman/site.html Shunt isn't even mentioned there.
Next, I checked the Installation Docs again. No mention of the command line
utilities there at all. Then I tried going to "man shunt" and struck out
there as well. 

You know, Mark, the trouble with the knowledge base surrounding mailman is
there's an excess of knowledge but not enough "base" in any one spot to
enable one to find the 'firmly grounded' answers one needs. It's way too
'swampy' in many places. In fact, it reminds me of the way my father-in-law
(a lifelong soil scientist) used to describe the Rio Grande... Too thick to
drink and too thin to plow! ;-)

Without your patient and expert guidance, mailman would be nearly impossible
to install and use. Thanks again for your patience and help!


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:04 AM
To: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Seeking qfiles/shunt recovery advice.

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:

>Now that my archiver is working again, I have several files in qfiles/shunt
>that I'd like to recover and convince mailman to insert into my (now
>working) October archive. If it's possible to do so, I also have a few
>shunted files from the end of September that I'd like to recover and have
>included in the September archive as well.
>
>Can anyone point me to a post that explains how to retrieve and
>recover pck files from the qfiles/shunt directory and convince ARCHrunner
to try processing them again?

Run Mailman's bin/unshunt --help

In this case all you should need to do is put the old *.pck files from
the old shunt directory into the current shunt directory along with
the current shunted *.pck files and run 'bin/unshunt'.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com  Fri Oct 31 14:34:45 2008
From: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com (TGPlatt, WebMaster)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:34:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
	archive process running?
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810302359000531a38d2713@Notebook>
Message-ID: <6DAC1DB0C46E4F6AA0A9A487EF151567@gregsrocket>

Thanks, Mark. That's all I needed to know! 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:59 AM
To: webwitchcraft at webwitchcraft.com; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my archive? Why isn't the
archive process running?

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:

>I've probably just misunderstood something here... blah... blah... blah...
>...when I asked about ownership and permissions and mentioned "the
>UserAccount/mailman directory", that's the directory I was referring to.
>Sorry if I confused you. :-(
>
>Should I just remove that "spare" mailman directory from the user's space
>now?

The only thing there is the mailman/mail/mailman wrapper whose sole
purpose is to be SETGID mailman so that mail delivery runs in the
mailman group. Since this wrapper isn't SETGID or group mailman, it
wouldn't work in this installation anyway, so yes, just remove this
directory.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From fil at rezo.net  Fri Oct 31 15:01:52 2008
From: fil at rezo.net (Fil)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:01:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deletion reason in email template
Message-ID: <bfc33ad70810310701g46ff16dw1d819566d47a9e4a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

is there a possibility to add, in the email template sent to the list
owner when someone is deleted, the REASON (BYBOUNCE etc) ?

-- 
Fil

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 31 16:30:53 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:30:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Seeking qfiles/shunt recovery advice.
In-Reply-To: <A5FD9B1F8BD9449F92B92BA327D08BC9@gregsrocket>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810310830530953125b01ee@Notebook>

TGPlatt, WebMaster wrote:
>
>My trouble here was I could find no docs about shunt to guide me and never
>realized unshunt existed until I saw your note. I went for help to the only
>place I knew of where mailman's command line utilities were listed:
>www.gnu.org/software/mailman/site.html Shunt isn't even mentioned there.
>Next, I checked the Installation Docs again. No mention of the command line
>utilities there at all. Then I tried going to "man shunt" and struck out
>there as well. 


You're right about the web page being incomplete. I'll try to update
it. There is a FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/z4A9> that has a more
complete list.


>You know, Mark, the trouble with the knowledge base surrounding mailman is
>there's an excess of knowledge but not enough "base" in any one spot to
>enable one to find the 'firmly grounded' answers one needs. It's way too
>'swampy' in many places.


The FAQ section of the wiki <http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3> is intended
to address this. If you find it lacking, you can help by updating it.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 31 16:46:19 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:46:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deletion reason in email template
In-Reply-To: <bfc33ad70810310701g46ff16dw1d819566d47a9e4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC18702008103108461909530453718c@Notebook>

Fil wrote:
>
>is there a possibility to add, in the email template sent to the list
>owner when someone is deleted, the REASON (BYBOUNCE etc) ?


This is a good suggestion. I'll add it in 2.2 to include the 'whence'
argument to ApprovedDeleteMember() which is a phrase like 'email
confirmation', 'web confirmation', 'disabled address', etc.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From netbiker at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 22:24:24 2008
From: netbiker at gmail.com (NetBiker)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:24:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman receives posts but no sent them
Message-ID: <4aaae6250810301424j64a92419jda034c112fef9a08@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I've enabled mailing lists with Mailman 2.1.2 and Postfix in a Mac OS
X Server 10.3.9

I've the following errors when a subscribed user sent a post to the list:

logs/smtp
Oct 30 16:52:39 2008 (378) All recipients refused: (7, 'No address
associated with nodename')
Oct 30 16:52:39 2008 (378) All recipients refused: (7, 'No address
associated with nodename')
Oct 30 16:52:39 2008 (378)
<Pine.LNX.4.64.0810301651440.26490 at server.dom.ain.one> smtp for 3
recips, completed in 0.059 seconds

logs/logs
Oct 30 16:52:39 2008 (378) post to prueba from user at dom.ain.one,
size=2374, message-id=<Pine.LNX.4.64.0810301651440.26490 at server.dom.ain.one>,
3 failures

the list prueba has three subscribers

the same problem occurs with other messages in the list

logs/smtp
Oct 30 16:38:38 2008 (378) All recipients refused: (7, 'No address
associated with nodename')
Oct 30 16:38:38 2008 (378) <mailman.5.1225229913.12728.prueba at dom.ain>
smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 seconds

logs/post

Oct 30 16:38:38 2008 (378) post to prueba from
mailman-bounces at dom.ain, size=605,
message-id=<mailman.5.1225229913.12728.prueba at dom.ain>, 1 failures

No messages or posts were sent since the list was created but in the
list archives we can see all the posts

Postfix is working fine with messages for the dom.ain domain in the
same Mac OS X server

we only added in the mm_cfg.py file:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dom.ain'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.dom.ain'

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)


thank you very much

From scott at jda-networks.com  Fri Oct 31 00:19:25 2008
From: scott at jda-networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:19:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <PC18702008102916355104684f67efc7@msapiro>
References: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202AD88D0@server.jda.local>
	<PC18702008102916355104684f67efc7@msapiro>
Message-ID: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202AD89F9@server.jda.local>

So I didn't have the entry for POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS in my
mm_cfg.py file.

So I added the following:

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['www.second-domain.com']

Ran /bin/genaliases, no errors....

Mail still bounces with the following:

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

      Subject:	Test to list
      Sent:	10/30/2008 4:16 PM

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

      scott-test at second-domain.com on 10/30/2008 4:16 PM
            There was a SMTP communication problem with the recipient's
email server.  Please contact your system administrator.
            <jdaarch.com #5.5.0 smtp;550 <scott-test at second-domain.com>:
Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table


Guess I still don't know how the virtual alias table gets updated when a
list is created....thanks in advance for any thoughts.

Scott






-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+webaccount=jdaarch.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+webaccount=jdaarch.com at python.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Sapiro
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:36 PM
To: Scott Race; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains

Scott Racewrote:

>As a follow-up, I don't seem to have the virtual-mailman file on my
>server anywhere as stated in the documentation....


Is the virtual domain in

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['the.virtual.domain']

in mm_cfg.py.

Is the host_name of the list = the.virtual.domain

Have you run Mailman's bin/genaliases since setting

MTA= 'Postfix'

and

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['the.virtual.domain']

in mm_cfg.py?

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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From brad at shub-internet.org  Fri Oct 31 18:52:57 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:52:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman receives posts but no sent them
In-Reply-To: <4aaae6250810301424j64a92419jda034c112fef9a08@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4aaae6250810301424j64a92419jda034c112fef9a08@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490B45F9.2010701@shub-internet.org>

NetBiker wrote:

> I've enabled mailing lists with Mailman 2.1.2 and Postfix in a Mac OS
> X Server 10.3.9

Search the FAQ Wiki for "mac os x".

> I've the following errors when a subscribed user sent a post to the list:
> 
> logs/smtp
> Oct 30 16:52:39 2008 (378) All recipients refused: (7, 'No address
> associated with nodename')
> Oct 30 16:52:39 2008 (378) All recipients refused: (7, 'No address
> associated with nodename')
> Oct 30 16:52:39 2008 (378)
> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0810301651440.26490 at server.dom.ain.one> smtp for 3
> recips, completed in 0.059 seconds

Sounds like a problem with your hostname, but you should search the FAQ Wiki 
for "troubleshooting".

> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3

Note that this line is included at the bottom of every single message that 
passes through this mailing list.  This FAQ Wiki is searchable.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 31 19:28:29 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:28:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message delivery eating disk space ..
In-Reply-To: <BLU144-W100774211E752EDE45DDF6DF260@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC187020081031112829029681bef245@Notebook>

faisal anif wrote:
> 
>is there a kind of temporary files that mailman doesn't cleanup? what can I do?


No. The only files are the queue files which hold the message as it is
processed and the archives. The queue files are removed when message
processing is complete.

As Brad says, you need to actually check to see which directory
hierarchy was using up the disk space?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 31 19:33:26 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:33:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Processing missed digests...
In-Reply-To: <4908EFE0.7030901@agora-net.com>
Message-ID: <PC187020081031113326021881bef1f4@Notebook>

John Gray wrote:
>
>But the mailman cron jobs didn't run for about a week.
>
>Is there a way for get senddigets to send out the digests for the 
>missing days?
>
>Or did senddigest send everything since the last digest?


There should be no missing digests. Assuming no digest was triggered on
'size' when cron/senddigests ran, it sent a digest containing all the
messages accumulated since the previous digest.

I.e., there were missing days, but no missing digest issue numbers and
no missing messages.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 31 19:52:48 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:52:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman receives posts but no sent them
In-Reply-To: <490B45F9.2010701@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <PC187020081031115248020381bef1fb@Notebook>

Brad Knowles wrote:

>NetBiker wrote:
>
>> I've the following errors when a subscribed user sent a post to the list:
>> 
>> logs/smtp
>> Oct 30 16:52:39 2008 (378) All recipients refused: (7, 'No address
>> associated with nodename')
>> Oct 30 16:52:39 2008 (378) All recipients refused: (7, 'No address
>> associated with nodename')
>> Oct 30 16:52:39 2008 (378)
>> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0810301651440.26490 at server.dom.ain.one> smtp for 3
>> recips, completed in 0.059 seconds
>
>Sounds like a problem with your hostname, but you should search the FAQ Wiki 
>for "troubleshooting".


This is an OS error having to do with DNS lookup of a host name by
Postfix during SMTP from mailman. My best guess is your host name in
the SMTP MAIL FROM command is not resolvable in DNS. This is normally
the host_name of the list(s) set from DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST at list
creation.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 31 20:02:29 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:02:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202AD89F9@server.jda.local>
Message-ID: <PC187020081031120229089004537157@Notebook>

Scott Race wrote:

>So I didn't have the entry for POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS in my
>mm_cfg.py file.
>
>So I added the following:
>
>POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['www.second-domain.com']


This domain has to match the host_name attribute of the list (the
'email host', not the 'url host'). It seems likely it should be
'second-domain.com', not 'www.second-domain.com'.


>Ran /bin/genaliases, no errors....


But did it produce a data/virtual-mailman file?


>Mail still bounces with the following:
>
>Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.
>
>      Subject:	Test to list
>      Sent:	10/30/2008 4:16 PM
>
>The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
>
>      scott-test at second-domain.com on 10/30/2008 4:16 PM
>            There was a SMTP communication problem with the recipient's
>email server.  Please contact your system administrator.
>            <jdaarch.com #5.5.0 smtp;550 <scott-test at second-domain.com>:
>Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table
>
>
>Guess I still don't know how the virtual alias table gets updated when a
>list is created....thanks in advance for any thoughts.


If the list's host_name is in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS, the
appropriate virtual mappings are added to data/virtual-mailman and
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD (default '/usr/sbin/postmap') is run to update
data/virtual-mailman.db.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From scott at jda-networks.com  Fri Oct 31 20:49:15 2008
From: scott at jda-networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:49:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
References: <PC187020081031120229089004537157@Notebook>
Message-ID: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3201C85432@server.jda.local>

Thanks, fixed the domain name in the mm_cfg.py to read ['second-domain.com'].

Running the /bin/genaliases doesn't return an error, but doesn't generate the /data/virtual-mailman file.  The mailman error logs don't show anything (no errors since Oct 22).
 
Sounds like the virtual-mailman file missing is my main problem, huh?
 
Scott

________________________________

From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net]
Sent: Fri 10/31/2008 12:02 PM
To: Scott Race; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains



Scott Race wrote:

>So I didn't have the entry for POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS in my
>mm_cfg.py file.
>
>So I added the following:
>
>POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['www.second-domain.com']


This domain has to match the host_name attribute of the list (the
'email host', not the 'url host'). It seems likely it should be
'second-domain.com', not 'www.second-domain.com'.


>Ran /bin/genaliases, no errors....


But did it produce a data/virtual-mailman file?


>Mail still bounces with the following:
>
>Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.
>
>      Subject: Test to list
>      Sent:    10/30/2008 4:16 PM
>
>The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
>
>      scott-test at second-domain.com on 10/30/2008 4:16 PM
>            There was a SMTP communication problem with the recipient's
>email server.  Please contact your system administrator.
>            <jdaarch.com #5.5.0 smtp;550 <scott-test at second-domain.com>:
>Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table
>
>
>Guess I still don't know how the virtual alias table gets updated when a
>list is created....thanks in advance for any thoughts.


If the list's host_name is in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS, the
appropriate virtual mappings are added to data/virtual-mailman and
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD (default '/usr/sbin/postmap') is run to update
data/virtual-mailman.db.

--
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan




From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 31 21:12:53 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:12:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3201C85432@server.jda.local>
Message-ID: <PC187020081031131253042181bef2da@Notebook>

Scott Race wrote:
>
>Thanks, fixed the domain name in the mm_cfg.py to read ['second-domain.com'].
>
>Running the /bin/genaliases doesn't return an error, but doesn't
>generate the /data/virtual-mailman file.  The mailman error logs don't
>show anything (no errors since Oct 22).
>
>Sounds like the virtual-mailman file missing is my main problem, huh?


Yes.

Go to the list's General Options page and look near the bottom at "Host
name this list prefers for email.". Does this match second-domain.com?

What you ultimately need to do to configure all this depends on whether
or not you will have multiple Mailman domains or a single Mailman
domain.

If there is only a single mailman domain = second-domain.com you want
something like

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.second-domain.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'second-domain.com'
add_virtual_hosts(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

in mm_cfg.py

and then run

bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url

to fix the web_page_url and host_name attributes of all the lists.

If you have more Mailman domains, it's more complex, but until you have
the proper host_name for your lists, genaliases won't create/update
virtual-mailman.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From scott at jda-networks.com  Fri Oct 31 21:59:30 2008
From: scott at jda-networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:59:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081031131253042181bef2da@Notebook>
References: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3201C85432@server.jda.local>
	<PC187020081031131253042181bef2da@Notebook>
Message-ID: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202EA2C67@server.jda.local>

Thanks for the reply - so this will be a multiple mailman domain.
Currently list working on first-domain.org, trying to get it working on
second-domain.org.

So yes, "Host name this list prefers for email" is correct as
second-domain.org.

My mm_cfg.py looks like this:

	from socket import *
	try:
	    fqdn = getfqdn()
	except:
	    fqdn = 'mm_cfg_has_unknown_host_domains'
	
	DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = fqdn
	DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = fqdn

	# Because we've overriden the virtual hosts above
add_virtualhost
	# MUST be called after they have been defined.

	add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
	add_virtualhost('www.first-domain.org', 'first-domain.org')
	add_virtualhost('www.second-domain.org',
'second-domain.org')

	##############################################################
	# Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
	# See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.            #

	# Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from
mm_cfg, 	but you
	# didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.

	POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['second-domain.org']

	MTA = 'Postfix'


So, I might be getting somewhere now...so I have a virtual-mailman file
now, it's in /etc/mailman.  It has the following entries:

# LOOP ADDRESSES START
mailman-loop at second-domain.org  mailman-loop
# LOOP ADDRESSES END

# STANZA START: scott-test
# CREATED: Fri Oct 31 15:44:28 2008
scott-test at second-domain.org              scott-test
scott-test-admin at second-domain.org        scott-test-admin
scott-test-bounces at second-domain.org      scott-test-bounces
scott-test-confirm at second-domain.org      scott-test-confirm
scott-test-join at second-domain.org         scott-test-join
scott-test-leave at second-domain.org        scott-test-leave
scott-test-owner at second-domain.org        scott-test-owner
scott-test-request at second-domain.org      scott-test-request
scott-test-subscribe at second-domain.org    scott-test-subscribe
scott-test-unsubscribe at second-domain.org  scott-test-unsubscribe
# STANZA END: scott-test

And the virtual-mailman.db is present and current (same date and time as
the virtual-mailman file).

So, getting closer, but a test to the list still bounces: 
The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

      scott-test at second-domain.org on 10/31/2008 1:47 PM
            There was a SMTP communication problem with the recipient's
email server.  Please contact your system administrator.
            <jdaarch.com #5.5.0 smtp;550 <scott-test at second-domain.org>:
Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table>


At this point I'm wondering if since I'm using a second domain, I need
to include the first domain in the virtual domain config?  Right now it
seems like only my second-domain is in the virtual config.


Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:13 PM
To: Scott Race
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains

Scott Race wrote:
>
>Thanks, fixed the domain name in the mm_cfg.py to read
['second-domain.com'].
>
>Running the /bin/genaliases doesn't return an error, but doesn't
>generate the /data/virtual-mailman file.  The mailman error logs don't
>show anything (no errors since Oct 22).
>
>Sounds like the virtual-mailman file missing is my main problem, huh?


Yes.

Go to the list's General Options page and look near the bottom at "Host
name this list prefers for email.". Does this match second-domain.com?

What you ultimately need to do to configure all this depends on whether
or not you will have multiple Mailman domains or a single Mailman
domain.

If there is only a single mailman domain = second-domain.com you want
something like

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.second-domain.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'second-domain.com'
add_virtual_hosts(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

in mm_cfg.py

and then run

bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url

to fix the web_page_url and host_name attributes of all the lists.

If you have more Mailman domains, it's more complex, but until you have
the proper host_name for your lists, genaliases won't create/update
virtual-mailman.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 31 22:16:16 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:16:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202EA2C67@server.jda.local>
Message-ID: <PC187020081031141616029681bef238@Notebook>

Scott Race wrote:

>Thanks for the reply - so this will be a multiple mailman domain.
>Currently list working on first-domain.org, trying to get it working on
>second-domain.org.
>
>So yes, "Host name this list prefers for email" is correct as
>second-domain.org.
>
>My mm_cfg.py looks like this:
>
>	from socket import *
>	try:
>	    fqdn = getfqdn()
>	except:
>	    fqdn = 'mm_cfg_has_unknown_host_domains'
>
>	DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = fqdn
>	DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = fqdn
>
>	# Because we've overriden the virtual hosts above
>add_virtualhost
>	# MUST be called after they have been defined.
>
>	add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>	add_virtualhost('www.first-domain.org', 'first-domain.org')
>	add_virtualhost('www.second-domain.org',
>'second-domain.org')
>
>	##############################################################
>	# Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
>	# See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.            #
>
>	# Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from
>mm_cfg, 	but you
>	# didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.
>
>	POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['second-domain.org']
>
>	MTA = 'Postfix'
>
>
>So, I might be getting somewhere now...so I have a virtual-mailman file
>now, it's in /etc/mailman.


I don't recall your telling us that this was a RedHat package. These
things make a difference.


  It has the following entries:
>
># LOOP ADDRESSES START
>mailman-loop at second-domain.org  mailman-loop
># LOOP ADDRESSES END
>
># STANZA START: scott-test
># CREATED: Fri Oct 31 15:44:28 2008
>scott-test at second-domain.org              scott-test
>scott-test-admin at second-domain.org        scott-test-admin
>scott-test-bounces at second-domain.org      scott-test-bounces
>scott-test-confirm at second-domain.org      scott-test-confirm
>scott-test-join at second-domain.org         scott-test-join
>scott-test-leave at second-domain.org        scott-test-leave
>scott-test-owner at second-domain.org        scott-test-owner
>scott-test-request at second-domain.org      scott-test-request
>scott-test-subscribe at second-domain.org    scott-test-subscribe
>scott-test-unsubscribe at second-domain.org  scott-test-unsubscribe
># STANZA END: scott-test
>
>And the virtual-mailman.db is present and current (same date and time as
>the virtual-mailman file).


That's good.


>So, getting closer, but a test to the list still bounces:
>The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
>
>      scott-test at second-domain.org on 10/31/2008 1:47 PM
>            There was a SMTP communication problem with the recipient's
>email server.  Please contact your system administrator.
>            <jdaarch.com #5.5.0 smtp;550 <scott-test at second-domain.org>:
>Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table>
>
>
>At this point I'm wondering if since I'm using a second domain, I need
>to include the first domain in the virtual domain config?  Right now it
>seems like only my second-domain is in the virtual config.


That's probably not a problem.

Does your main.cf virtual_alias_maps point to
/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman where it is or does it point somewhere
else. How about alias_maps?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From scott at jda-networks.com  Fri Oct 31 22:30:31 2008
From: scott at jda-networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:30:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081031141616029681bef238@Notebook>
References: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202EA2C67@server.jda.local>
	<PC187020081031141616029681bef238@Notebook>
Message-ID: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202EA2C82@server.jda.local>

Sorry bout that...yes, RHLE server.

/etc/postfix/main.cf has the following (in reference to the questions
below):


virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias_maps
virtual_alias_domains = hash:/etc/postfix/mydomains
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases


With your direction, realizing I likely needed a reference to this
virtual-mailman file in my virtual_alias_maps, I added it, and my test
post went through!

Not sure if I need the reference to virtual-mailman in my alias_maps
too, didn't think so, and so I didn't add it.

Thanks a TON for the help!


Scott Race 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 2:16 PM
To: Scott Race
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains

Scott Race wrote:

>Thanks for the reply - so this will be a multiple mailman domain.
>Currently list working on first-domain.org, trying to get it working on
>second-domain.org.
>
>So yes, "Host name this list prefers for email" is correct as
>second-domain.org.
>
>My mm_cfg.py looks like this:
>
>	from socket import *
>	try:
>	    fqdn = getfqdn()
>	except:
>	    fqdn = 'mm_cfg_has_unknown_host_domains'
>
>	DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = fqdn
>	DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = fqdn
>
>	# Because we've overriden the virtual hosts above
>add_virtualhost
>	# MUST be called after they have been defined.
>
>	add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>	add_virtualhost('www.first-domain.org', 'first-domain.org')
>	add_virtualhost('www.second-domain.org',
>'second-domain.org')
>
>	##############################################################
>	# Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
>	# See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.            #
>
>	# Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from
>mm_cfg, 	but you
>	# didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.
>
>	POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['second-domain.org']
>
>	MTA = 'Postfix'
>
>
>So, I might be getting somewhere now...so I have a virtual-mailman file
>now, it's in /etc/mailman.


I don't recall your telling us that this was a RedHat package. These
things make a difference.


  It has the following entries:
>
># LOOP ADDRESSES START
>mailman-loop at second-domain.org  mailman-loop
># LOOP ADDRESSES END
>
># STANZA START: scott-test
># CREATED: Fri Oct 31 15:44:28 2008
>scott-test at second-domain.org              scott-test
>scott-test-admin at second-domain.org        scott-test-admin
>scott-test-bounces at second-domain.org      scott-test-bounces
>scott-test-confirm at second-domain.org      scott-test-confirm
>scott-test-join at second-domain.org         scott-test-join
>scott-test-leave at second-domain.org        scott-test-leave
>scott-test-owner at second-domain.org        scott-test-owner
>scott-test-request at second-domain.org      scott-test-request
>scott-test-subscribe at second-domain.org    scott-test-subscribe
>scott-test-unsubscribe at second-domain.org  scott-test-unsubscribe
># STANZA END: scott-test
>
>And the virtual-mailman.db is present and current (same date and time
as
>the virtual-mailman file).


That's good.


>So, getting closer, but a test to the list still bounces:
>The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
>
>      scott-test at second-domain.org on 10/31/2008 1:47 PM
>            There was a SMTP communication problem with the recipient's
>email server.  Please contact your system administrator.
>            <jdaarch.com #5.5.0 smtp;550
<scott-test at second-domain.org>:
>Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table>
>
>
>At this point I'm wondering if since I'm using a second domain, I need
>to include the first domain in the virtual domain config?  Right now it
>seems like only my second-domain is in the virtual config.


That's probably not a problem.

Does your main.cf virtual_alias_maps point to
/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman where it is or does it point somewhere
else. How about alias_maps?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From scott at jda-networks.com  Fri Oct 31 22:45:07 2008
From: scott at jda-networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:45:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <PC187020081031141616029681bef238@Notebook>
References: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202EA2C67@server.jda.local>
	<PC187020081031141616029681bef238@Notebook>
Message-ID: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202EA2C89@server.jda.local>

Now just hit one more slight snag, can no longer create new lists on the
second-domain.org.

Fails with the Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 - We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Error.

/var/log/mailman error shows:

admin(14722): RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postmap
/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

I noticed that apache is now trying to own the virtual-mailman file in
/etc/mailman, didn't notice that before.  Changing the ownership to
root:mailman doesn't work, when trying to create a list it fails and
apache takes ownership back.

Scott


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 2:16 PM
To: Scott Race
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains

Scott Race wrote:

>Thanks for the reply - so this will be a multiple mailman domain.
>Currently list working on first-domain.org, trying to get it working on
>second-domain.org.
>
>So yes, "Host name this list prefers for email" is correct as
>second-domain.org.
>
>My mm_cfg.py looks like this:
>
>	from socket import *
>	try:
>	    fqdn = getfqdn()
>	except:
>	    fqdn = 'mm_cfg_has_unknown_host_domains'
>
>	DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = fqdn
>	DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = fqdn
>
>	# Because we've overriden the virtual hosts above
>add_virtualhost
>	# MUST be called after they have been defined.
>
>	add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>	add_virtualhost('www.first-domain.org', 'first-domain.org')
>	add_virtualhost('www.second-domain.org',
>'second-domain.org')
>
>	##############################################################
>	# Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
>	# See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.            #
>
>	# Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from
>mm_cfg, 	but you
>	# didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.
>
>	POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['second-domain.org']
>
>	MTA = 'Postfix'
>
>
>So, I might be getting somewhere now...so I have a virtual-mailman file
>now, it's in /etc/mailman.


I don't recall your telling us that this was a RedHat package. These
things make a difference.


  It has the following entries:
>
># LOOP ADDRESSES START
>mailman-loop at second-domain.org  mailman-loop
># LOOP ADDRESSES END
>
># STANZA START: scott-test
># CREATED: Fri Oct 31 15:44:28 2008
>scott-test at second-domain.org              scott-test
>scott-test-admin at second-domain.org        scott-test-admin
>scott-test-bounces at second-domain.org      scott-test-bounces
>scott-test-confirm at second-domain.org      scott-test-confirm
>scott-test-join at second-domain.org         scott-test-join
>scott-test-leave at second-domain.org        scott-test-leave
>scott-test-owner at second-domain.org        scott-test-owner
>scott-test-request at second-domain.org      scott-test-request
>scott-test-subscribe at second-domain.org    scott-test-subscribe
>scott-test-unsubscribe at second-domain.org  scott-test-unsubscribe
># STANZA END: scott-test
>
>And the virtual-mailman.db is present and current (same date and time
as
>the virtual-mailman file).


That's good.


>So, getting closer, but a test to the list still bounces:
>The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
>
>      scott-test at second-domain.org on 10/31/2008 1:47 PM
>            There was a SMTP communication problem with the recipient's
>email server.  Please contact your system administrator.
>            <jdaarch.com #5.5.0 smtp;550
<scott-test at second-domain.org>:
>Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table>
>
>
>At this point I'm wondering if since I'm using a second domain, I need
>to include the first domain in the virtual domain config?  Right now it
>seems like only my second-domain is in the virtual config.


That's probably not a problem.

Does your main.cf virtual_alias_maps point to
/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman where it is or does it point somewhere
else. How about alias_maps?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 31 23:03:24 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:03:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202EA2C82@server.jda.local>
Message-ID: <PC187020081031150324046864c2f02c@Notebook>

Scott Race wrote:

>Sorry bout that...yes, RHLE server.


It isn't a question of the OS, but rather whether Mailman was
configured and installed from our source distribution or from a RedHat
RPM which differs significantly in terms of where things are found.


>With your direction, realizing I likely needed a reference to this
>virtual-mailman file in my virtual_alias_maps, I added it, and my test
>post went through!
>
>Not sure if I need the reference to virtual-mailman in my alias_maps
>too, didn't think so, and so I didn't add it.


Correct: alias_maps references the aliases and virtual_maps references
the virtual mapping.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 31 23:10:41 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:10:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202EA2C89@server.jda.local>
Message-ID: <PC1870200810311510410046b30aee17@Notebook>

Scott Race wrote:

>Now just hit one more slight snag, can no longer create new lists on the
>second-domain.org.
>
>Fails with the Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 - We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>Error.
>
>/var/log/mailman error shows:
>
>admin(14722): RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postmap
>/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
>
>I noticed that apache is now trying to own the virtual-mailman file in
>/etc/mailman, didn't notice that before.  Changing the ownership to
>root:mailman doesn't work, when trying to create a list it fails and
>apache takes ownership back.


The owner doesn't matter except the owner of aliases.db probably needs
to be 'mailman'. the other owners (aliases, virtual-mailman and
virtual-mailman.db don't matter.

What does matter is /etc/mailman needs to be group mailman and g+rws
and all four of aliases, aliases.db, virtual-mailman and
virtual-mailman.db need to be group mailman and g+rw.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From scott at jda-networks.com  Fri Oct 31 23:16:20 2008
From: scott at jda-networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:16:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <PC1870200810311510410046b30aee17@Notebook>
References: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202EA2C89@server.jda.local>
	<PC1870200810311510410046b30aee17@Notebook>
Message-ID: <5FDF8F237C740D4B8C3A618DD2668E3202EA2C97@server.jda.local>

Checked the permissions:

Mailman directory:
drwxrwsr-x   2 root       mailman    4096 Oct 31 16:41 mailman

Alias files:
-rw-rw-rw-  1 root   mailman 12582 Oct 31 16:41 aliases
-rw-rw-rw-  1 root   mailman 24576 Oct 31 16:41 aliases.db
-rw-rw----  1 apache mailman  3689 Oct 31 16:41 virtual-mailman
-rw-r-----  1 root   mailman 12288 Oct 31 15:44 virtual-mailman.db

Changed the file permissions to 660 on virtual-mailman.db and posts now
working!

Thanks a million.

Scott Race
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:11 PM
To: Scott Race
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on multiple domains

Scott Race wrote:

>Now just hit one more slight snag, can no longer create new lists on
the
>second-domain.org.
>
>Fails with the Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 - We're sorry, we hit a
bug!
>Error.
>
>/var/log/mailman error shows:
>
>admin(14722): RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postmap
>/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
>
>I noticed that apache is now trying to own the virtual-mailman file in
>/etc/mailman, didn't notice that before.  Changing the ownership to
>root:mailman doesn't work, when trying to create a list it fails and
>apache takes ownership back.


The owner doesn't matter except the owner of aliases.db probably needs
to be 'mailman'. the other owners (aliases, virtual-mailman and
virtual-mailman.db don't matter.

What does matter is /etc/mailman needs to be group mailman and g+rws
and all four of aliases, aliases.db, virtual-mailman and
virtual-mailman.db need to be group mailman and g+rw.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan