From april.mar at comcast.net Mon Oct 1 02:27:15 2007 From: april.mar at comcast.net (April Mar) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:27:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] variable codes showing Message-ID: <002e01c803c1$d157e8f0$020fa8c0@Desktop> It seems that my welcome message that is being sent out when someone subscribes is doing so without the variables being replaced with, well, the variable!!!! See this copy and paste of a portion of my welcome message ------- Welcome to the %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s mailing list! %(welcome)s Throughout the year you will receive important News and Announcements from Shu Ren via this list. We appreciate your participation. PLEASE NOTE: That some online email programs with Spam protection turned on may automatically discard messages from lists such as this. Add %(real_name)@%(host_name) to your address book to prevent this. Thank you. General information about the mailing list is at: %(listinfo_url)s ------ And so on. Can anyone help me figure out why? I am possitive I have the code for them written correctly. But I did add to it as you can see under "Edit the public HTML pages and text files". Thanks for any input. April From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 1 03:53:27 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:53:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] variable codes showing In-Reply-To: <002e01c803c1$d157e8f0$020fa8c0@Desktop> Message-ID: April Mar wrote: >It seems that my welcome message that is being sent out when someone subscribes is doing so without the variables being replaced with, well, the variable!!!! > >See this copy and paste of a portion of my welcome message ------- > > Welcome to the %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s mailing list! %(welcome)s > > Throughout the year you will receive important News and Announcements > from Shu Ren via this list. We appreciate your participation. > > PLEASE NOTE: That some online email programs with Spam protection > turned on may automatically discard messages from lists such as this. > Add %(real_name)@%(host_name) to your address book to prevent this. > > Thank you. > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > %(listinfo_url)s > > >------ And so on. > > >Can anyone help me figure out why? I am possitive I have the code for them written correctly. But I did add to it as you can see under "Edit the public HTML pages and text files". It is difficult to know what might be going on without seeing the template, but is every '%' in the template either in an interpolation of the form %(variable)s, or doubled as in %% to produce a literal % in the output? If you have access to Mailman's logs, is there a 'broken template' message or anything else relevant in Mailman's error log? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From carnold at electrichendrix.com Mon Oct 1 04:07:28 2007 From: carnold at electrichendrix.com (Chris Arnold) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beginner questions In-Reply-To: <47000ED6.90605@electrichendrix.com> Message-ID: <13171755.52521191204448974.JavaMail.root@mail> I also see in my email logs on the webserver: (i stopped and then started postfix to mark where i was in the logs) Sep 30 18:34:06 web postfix/master[1475]: daemon started -- version 2.2.9, configuration /etc/postfix Sep 30 18:34:06 web postfix/qmgr[1477]: 9E7945FBBB: from=, size=1424, nrcpt=2 (queue active) Sep 30 18:34:36 web postfix/smtp[1479]: connect to domain.tld[169.254.254.123]: Connection timed out (port 25) Sep 30 18:35:06 web postfix/smtp[1479]: connect to domain.tld[169.254.1.129]: Connection timed out (port 25) Sep 30 18:35:06 web postfix/smtp[1479]: connect to domain.tld[192.168.x.x]: Connection refused (port 25) Sep 30 18:35:06 web postfix/smtp[1479]: 9E7945FBBB: to=, relay=none, delay=418801, status=deferred (connect to domain.tld[192.168.x.x]: Connection refused) Notice the first few lines are a bogus ip address then it gets the domain controllers ip. I looked in dns and there aren't any records that have domain.tld that point to the domain controller. Confirm emails are being sent; it looks like postfix on the webserver is not receiving email. I have also joined the postfix list for help. If someone wants to try to subscribe and then send an email to the list, please feel free: http://www.mytimewithgod.net/mailman/listinfo/mtwg-prayer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Arnold" To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 5:02:14 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Beginner questions Dan Phillips wrote: > > On Sep 30, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Chris Arnold wrote: >> i am not >> getting an email at my gmail account of the email i sent to the list. I >> should be getting that email back to the gmail account, right? >> > > Nope. See the last paragraph of: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.042.htp > > Dan > Thanks Dan. There are some lists that i belong to that i do not get the email that i sent but i see others response to it. Well, i subscribed to my list with my yahoo account and sent an email from gmail to the list and i did not get that email in my yahoo account. Still seems like something is not working. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/carnold%40electrichendrix.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Oct 1 05:15:37 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:15:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beginner questions In-Reply-To: <46FF913A.9010509@electrichendrix.com> References: <46FF913A.9010509@electrichendrix.com> Message-ID: On 9/30/07, Chris Arnold wrote: > I have gotten an answer from the zimbra forums on how to achieve this: > http://wiki.zimbra.com/index.php?title=Split_Domain > In the section > > Configuring Zimbra as the Primary System > > I need to follow those steps for every email address that needs to be > routed to the mailman system. That is one solution, yes. The other solution is to create an entirely different host name for the mailing lists (e.g., "lists.yourdomain.example.com") and to have the mail for that host name routed directly to the machine in question. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Oct 1 05:21:20 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:21:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/30/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I use spamassassin with a pretty low threshold, but there is so much > volume that the 5% that gets through is a bunch. I wish I had a better > solution. There are an infinite variety of "solutions" to the "spam problem", and the problem is that what solves the problem 100% for some sites is not even a 5% solution for others, but the people who implemented that solution don't know or care that works well for them won't necessarily work well for others -- they think they have the FUSSP (see ), but they have not understood the true nature of the FUSSP. In my experience, SpamAssassin is one good tool in the kit, and there are a variety of ways to install and configure it, and if you haven't recently explored all of those ways then you might want to check out the latest versions. That said, SpamAssassin is most definitely not the FUSSP, and you will most likely need to also use other tools in your kit to help you fight this battle. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Oct 1 05:23:30 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:23:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners In-Reply-To: <87bqbkxerl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <4067829B4871054DB7E77A511FCE9224757E9A@exch-emp.campus.georgefox.edu> <87bqbkxerl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: On 10/1/07, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > If (3) interests you, I can go into more detail about my solution, but > I gotta run right now. BTW, #1 and #2 are also issues for e-mail to Postmaster, which is covered in the SAGE Booklet "Internet Postmaster: Duties and Responsibilities" (see ). Yes, I'm biased -- I was the co-author. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Oct 1 05:29:07 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:29:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners In-Reply-To: <706732014.20070930125410@ohww.norman.ok.us> References: <4067829B4871054DB7E77A511FCE9224757E9A@exch-emp.campus.georgefox.edu> <706732014.20070930125410@ohww.norman.ok.us> Message-ID: On 9/30/07, Robert Braver wrote: > Wholesale bouncing of list mail to non-subscribers is totally > unacceptable due to the amount of outscatter this will cause. (see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter#Backscatter_of_email_spam ) Mailman is pretty resistant to generating backscatter. Yes, if configured to do so, it will generate it. But it keeps track of how often it has responded to a given address in a given period of time, and won't respond more than a set number of times in a day to a given address. This effectively limits the ability to abuse Mailman as a backscatter amplifier for a DDoS attack. However, in some cases, even just a single instance of backscatter can get you put on a blacklist. So, you've got to weigh the relative evils of not responding at all to a potential legitimate message from a real human being, or generating potential backscatter. > It only took one list member from one of the smaller lists (which is > private and not listed anywhere) who had their address book > harvested by a trojan to cause about 50 spam emails a day to that > list alone on an ongoing basis... so hiding the list addresses > doesn't guarantee that they won't eventually leak out and get on the > spam lists. Security through obscurity never works. Ultimately, you always get found out. Usually, that ends up happening sooner rather than later. However, keeping lists private as part of a larger security scheme can be effective -- just make sure that keeping the list private isn't your only method of security. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From stephen at xemacs.org Mon Oct 1 08:42:08 2007 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:42:08 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners In-Reply-To: References: <4067829B4871054DB7E77A511FCE9224757E9A@exch-emp.campus.georgefox.edu> <87bqbkxerl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <87r6kfpc8v.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Brad Knowles writes: > On 10/1/07, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > If (3) interests you, I can go into more detail about my solution, but > > I gotta run right now. > > BTW, #1 and #2 are also issues for e-mail to Postmaster, which is > covered in the SAGE Booklet "Internet Postmaster: Duties and > Responsibilities" (see ). > > Yes, I'm biased -- I was the co-author. Well, since it's proprietary material, I'm unlikely to be in a position to evaluate biases soon. I guess I'll just have to take your word for it! ;-) From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Oct 1 10:37:54 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 03:37:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners In-Reply-To: <87r6kfpc8v.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <4067829B4871054DB7E77A511FCE9224757E9A@exch-emp.campus.georgefox.edu> <87bqbkxerl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87r6kfpc8v.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: On 10/1/07, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Well, since it's proprietary material, I'm unlikely to be in a > position to evaluate biases soon. I guess I'll just have to take your > word for it! ;-) It's not what I would call proprietary. USENIX and SAGE are charging money for the booklet, in large part to help recover production and publishing costs. I would like to see them allow a reduced fee for buying a copy online, so that you can choose whether or not you want to print out a copy for yourself, but still giving them some reasonable protection against loss of revenue due to the material being freely available in an electronic form. However, one of the benefits of being a SAGE member is that you can download copies of all of the SAGE "Short Topics" booklets for free. So, if there's enough booklets you're interested in, then becoming a member of SAGE would be effectively free. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From stephen at xemacs.org Mon Oct 1 11:38:56 2007 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:38:56 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners In-Reply-To: References: <4067829B4871054DB7E77A511FCE9224757E9A@exch-emp.campus.georgefox.edu> <87bqbkxerl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87r6kfpc8v.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <878x6n6uof.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Brad Knowles writes: > giving them some reasonable protection against loss of revenue due > to the material being freely available in an electronic form. You may not call that proprietary, but that's precisely the definition of "proprietary" that one arrives at when observing the behavior of non-profit organizations like the IEEE and the ISO. I don't have an objection to proprietary material, and undoubtedly it's well-worth the nominal cost in this case. I don't even have a problem with the reference in the context of a forum where most of the advice is given for free (in any sense you choose). I just think the fact that some rights are reserved should be mentioned when you refer to it. Since you didn't, I took the liberty of doing so in my own style. From dennis at eaachat.org Mon Oct 1 14:28:36 2007 From: dennis at eaachat.org (Dennis Morgan) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 07:28:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beginner questions In-Reply-To: <13171755.52521191204448974.JavaMail.root@mail> References: <13171755.52521191204448974.JavaMail.root@mail> Message-ID: <4700E7F4.8010204@eaachat.org> Using the DNS report tool from www.dnsstuff.com It says you don't have a MX record for that domain. Quoting: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MX FAIL MX Category ERROR: I couldn't find any MX records for mytimewithgod.net. If you want to receive E-mail on this domain, you should have MX record(s). Without any MX records, mailservers should attempt to deliver mail to the A record for mytimewithgod.net. I can't continue in a case like this, so I'm assuming you don't receive mail on this domain. Mail FAIL Connect to mail servers ERROR: I could not find any mailservers for mytimewithgod.net. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` I subscribed to your list and got a confirm email from the list. I replied to this, but was never told I was subscribed. Looking the headers for your confirmation email and I quote: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Received: from mail.electrichendrix.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.electrichendrix.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 33sehzUyOLfY for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web.site (unknown [192.168.123.3]) by mail.electrichendrix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9289EBDB for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web.site (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by web.site (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A692CE47 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:45:51 -0400 (EDT)MIME-Version: 1.0 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The IP address 192.168.123.3 isn't right - is it? That's an internal address on your intranet rather than a valid Internet IP. Also - I sent 2 test emails to the list address on the webpage: mtwg-prayer at lists.mytimewithgod.net and got the following mail returned error from MAILER-DAEMON at mail.electrichendrix.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Final-Recipient: rfc822; mtwg-prayer at lists.mytimewithgod.net Original-Recipient: rfc822;mtwg-prayer at lists.mytimewithgod.net Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Remote-MTA: dns; 192.168.123.3 Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 : Relay access denied ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dennis Chris Arnold wrote: > I also see in my email logs on the webserver: (i stopped and then started postfix to mark where i was in the logs) > Sep 30 18:34:06 web postfix/master[1475]: daemon started -- version 2.2.9, configuration /etc/postfix > Sep 30 18:34:06 web postfix/qmgr[1477]: 9E7945FBBB: from=, size=1424, nrcpt=2 (queue active) > Sep 30 18:34:36 web postfix/smtp[1479]: connect to domain.tld[169.254.254.123]: Connection timed out (port 25) > Sep 30 18:35:06 web postfix/smtp[1479]: connect to domain.tld[169.254.1.129]: Connection timed out (port 25) > Sep 30 18:35:06 web postfix/smtp[1479]: connect to domain.tld[192.168.x.x]: Connection refused (port 25) > Sep 30 18:35:06 web postfix/smtp[1479]: 9E7945FBBB: to=, relay=none, delay=418801, status=deferred (connect to domain.tld[192.168.x.x]: Connection refused) > > Notice the first few lines are a bogus ip address then it gets the domain controllers ip. I looked in dns and there aren't any records that have domain.tld that point to the domain controller. Confirm emails are being sent; it looks like postfix on the webserver is not receiving email. I have also joined the postfix list for help. > If someone wants to try to subscribe and then send an email to the list, please feel free: > http://www.mytimewithgod.net/mailman/listinfo/mtwg-prayer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Arnold" > To: mailman-users at python.org > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 5:02:14 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Beginner questions > > Dan Phillips wrote: > >> On Sep 30, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Chris Arnold wrote: >> >>> i am not >>> getting an email at my gmail account of the email i sent to the list. I >>> should be getting that email back to the gmail account, right? >>> >>> >> Nope. See the last paragraph of: >> >> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.042.htp >> >> Dan >> >> > Thanks Dan. There are some lists that i belong to that i do not get the > email that i sent but i see others response to it. Well, i subscribed to > my list with my yahoo account and sent an email from gmail to the list > and i did not get that email in my yahoo account. Still seems like > something is not working. > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/carnold%40electrichendrix.com > > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dennis%40eaachat.org > > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp > > From carnold at electrichendrix.com Mon Oct 1 14:55:38 2007 From: carnold at electrichendrix.com (Chris Arnold) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:55:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beginner questions In-Reply-To: <4700E7F4.8010204@eaachat.org> References: <13171755.52521191204448974.JavaMail.root@mail> <4700E7F4.8010204@eaachat.org> Message-ID: <4700EE4A.5090101@electrichendrix.com> Dennis Morgan wrote: > Using the DNS report tool from > www.dnsstuff.com > > It says you don't have a MX record for that domain. Quoting: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > MX FAIL > MX Category ERROR: I couldn't find any MX records for > mytimewithgod.net. If you want to receive E-mail on this domain, you > should have MX record(s). Without any MX records, mailservers should > attempt to deliver mail to the A record for mytimewithgod.net. I can't > continue in a case like this, so I'm assuming you don't receive mail on > this domain. > > Mail FAIL Connect to mail servers ERROR: I could not find any > mailservers for mytimewithgod.net. > I have 2 domains, electrichendrix.com and mytimewithgod.net. Both are through dyndns.com as i have 1 dhcp address from my provider. Both domains have a mx record in dyndns.com's system. It doesn't really matter, as mail going to mytimewithgod.net is pointed to the same ip as electrichendrix.com and i have no problem getting mytimewithgod.net mail on my mailserver. Passed this isp connection i have a juniper firewall that does nat or more appropriately, pat. Behind this firewall, sits the 192.168.x.x subnet and the 192.168.x.x subnet. These subnets are connected via switches to the firewall. On these subnets, i have a DC, a mailserver and a webserver. It is funny that mytimewithgod.net does not report a mx record; i am looking at the mx right now on dyndns.com. Anyway, mytimewithgod.net is making it to my mailserver and being forwarded to the webserver which has mailman installed. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` > > I subscribed to your list and got a confirm email from the list. I > replied to this, but was never told I was subscribed. Looking the > headers for your confirmation email and I quote: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Received: from mail.electrichendrix.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost > (mail.electrichendrix.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with > ESMTP id 33sehzUyOLfY for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:45:51 > -0400 (EDT) > Received: from web.site (unknown [192.168.123.3]) by > mail.electrichendrix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9289EBDB for > ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:45:51 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from web.site (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by web.site (Postfix) > with ESMTP id 81A692CE47 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 > 07:45:51 -0400 (EDT)MIME-Version: 1.0 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The IP address 192.168.123.3 isn't right - is it? That's an internal > address on your intranet rather than a valid Internet IP. > Correct > Also - I sent 2 test emails to the list address on the webpage: > mtwg-prayer at lists.mytimewithgod.net > > and got the following mail returned error from > MAILER-DAEMON at mail.electrichendrix.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; mtwg-prayer at lists.mytimewithgod.net > Original-Recipient: rfc822;mtwg-prayer at lists.mytimewithgod.net > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Remote-MTA: dns; 192.168.123.3 > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 : Relay > access > denied > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Here is the problem, i believe.......mail from the mailserver is being rejected by the webserver as "relay access denied". On the webserver, which has postfix, in main.cf i have entered relayhost = main.mail.server but i still get the same response "relay access denied". I have asked on the postfix mailinglist, how to have postfix accept mail from my webserver. Still waiting for a reply. From dennis at eaachat.org Mon Oct 1 15:21:56 2007 From: dennis at eaachat.org (Dennis Morgan) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:21:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beginner questions In-Reply-To: <4700EE4A.5090101@electrichendrix.com> References: <13171755.52521191204448974.JavaMail.root@mail> <4700E7F4.8010204@eaachat.org> <4700EE4A.5090101@electrichendrix.com> Message-ID: <4700F474.7040902@eaachat.org> Is my subscription request in your moderation queue? I don't know hardly anything about mailman - I'm here to learn - but just a notion. If you'd go ahead and enter the real values you have in your configuration files instead of things like: main.cf i have entered relayhost = main.mail.server people like Mark and Brad would likely be able to be of more help. Chris Arnold wrote: > Dennis Morgan wrote: > >> Using the DNS report tool from >> www.dnsstuff.com >> >> It says you don't have a MX record for that domain. Quoting: >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> MX FAIL >> MX Category ERROR: I couldn't find any MX records for >> mytimewithgod.net. If you want to receive E-mail on this domain, you >> should have MX record(s). Without any MX records, mailservers should >> attempt to deliver mail to the A record for mytimewithgod.net. I can't >> continue in a case like this, so I'm assuming you don't receive mail on >> this domain. >> >> Mail FAIL Connect to mail servers ERROR: I could not find any >> mailservers for mytimewithgod.net. >> >> > I have 2 domains, electrichendrix.com and mytimewithgod.net. Both are > through dyndns.com as i have 1 dhcp address from my provider. Both > domains have a mx record in dyndns.com's system. It doesn't really > matter, as mail going to mytimewithgod.net is pointed to the same ip as > electrichendrix.com and i have no problem getting mytimewithgod.net mail > on my mailserver. Passed this isp connection i have a juniper firewall > that does nat or more appropriately, pat. Behind this firewall, sits the > 192.168.x.x subnet and the 192.168.x.x subnet. These subnets are > connected via switches to the firewall. On these subnets, i have a DC, a > mailserver and a webserver. It is funny that mytimewithgod.net does not > report a mx record; i am looking at the mx right now on dyndns.com. > Anyway, mytimewithgod.net is making it to my mailserver and being > forwarded to the webserver which has mailman installed. > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` >> >> I subscribed to your list and got a confirm email from the list. I >> replied to this, but was never told I was subscribed. Looking the >> headers for your confirmation email and I quote: >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Received: from mail.electrichendrix.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost >> (mail.electrichendrix.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with >> ESMTP id 33sehzUyOLfY for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:45:51 >> -0400 (EDT) >> Received: from web.site (unknown [192.168.123.3]) by >> mail.electrichendrix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9289EBDB for >> ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:45:51 -0400 (EDT) >> Received: from web.site (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by web.site (Postfix) >> with ESMTP id 81A692CE47 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 >> 07:45:51 -0400 (EDT)MIME-Version: 1.0 >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> The IP address 192.168.123.3 isn't right - is it? That's an internal >> address on your intranet rather than a valid Internet IP. >> >> > Correct > >> Also - I sent 2 test emails to the list address on the webpage: >> mtwg-prayer at lists.mytimewithgod.net >> >> and got the following mail returned error from >> MAILER-DAEMON at mail.electrichendrix.com >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Final-Recipient: rfc822; mtwg-prayer at lists.mytimewithgod.net >> Original-Recipient: rfc822;mtwg-prayer at lists.mytimewithgod.net >> Action: failed >> Status: 5.0.0 >> Remote-MTA: dns; 192.168.123.3 >> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 : Relay >> access >> denied >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> > Here is the problem, i believe.......mail from the mailserver is being > rejected by the webserver as "relay access denied". On the webserver, > which has postfix, in main.cf i have entered relayhost = > main.mail.server but i still get the same response "relay access > denied". I have asked on the postfix mailinglist, how to have postfix > accept mail from my webserver. Still waiting for a reply. > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dennis%40eaachat.org > > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp > > From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 1 16:56:13 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:56:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beginner questions In-Reply-To: <4700EE4A.5090101@electrichendrix.com> Message-ID: Chris Arnold wrote: >Dennis Morgan wrote: >> Using the DNS report tool from >> www.dnsstuff.com >> >> It says you don't have a MX record for that domain. Quoting: >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> MX FAIL >> MX Category ERROR: I couldn't find any MX records for >> mytimewithgod.net. If you want to receive E-mail on this domain, you >> should have MX record(s). Without any MX records, mailservers should >> attempt to deliver mail to the A record for mytimewithgod.net. I can't >> continue in a case like this, so I'm assuming you don't receive mail on >> this domain. >> >> Mail FAIL Connect to mail servers ERROR: I could not find any >> mailservers for mytimewithgod.net. DNSStuff is a bit too fussy here. >I have 2 domains, electrichendrix.com and mytimewithgod.net. Both are >through dyndns.com as i have 1 dhcp address from my provider. Both >domains have a mx record in dyndns.com's system. It doesn't really >matter, as mail going to mytimewithgod.net is pointed to the same ip as >electrichendrix.com and i have no problem getting mytimewithgod.net mail >on my mailserver. Passed this isp connection i have a juniper firewall >that does nat or more appropriately, pat. Behind this firewall, sits the >192.168.x.x subnet and the 192.168.x.x subnet. These subnets are >connected via switches to the firewall. On these subnets, i have a DC, a >mailserver and a webserver. It is funny that mytimewithgod.net does not >report a mx record; i am looking at the mx right now on dyndns.com. >Anyway, mytimewithgod.net is making it to my mailserver and being >forwarded to the webserver which has mailman installed. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Your list is in the lists.mytimewithgod.net domain which does have an MX pointing to mytimewithgod.net and mytimewithgod.net has a single A record. Thus, mail to lists.mytimewithgod.net is delivered via mytimewithgod.net which is fine. Also, mail to mytimewithgod.net will work too because mytimewithgod.net has a single A record and even though DNSStuff doesn't like it, this is sufficient for delivery of mail. > >Here is the problem, i believe.......mail from the mailserver is being >rejected by the webserver as "relay access denied". On the webserver, >which has postfix, in main.cf i have entered relayhost = >main.mail.server but i still get the same response "relay access >denied". I think this affects outgoing mail, not incoming mail. It may or may not be required/desirable depending on whether you need/want Postfix to deliver mail via the mailserver box. >I have asked on the postfix mailinglist, how to have postfix >accept mail from my webserver. Still waiting for a reply. That's the right place to ask. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Oct 1 19:31:39 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:31:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners In-Reply-To: <878x6n6uof.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <4067829B4871054DB7E77A511FCE9224757E9A@exch-emp.campus.georgefox.edu> <87bqbkxerl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87r6kfpc8v.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <878x6n6uof.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: On 10/1/07, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > You may not call that proprietary, but that's precisely the definition > of "proprietary" that one arrives at when observing the behavior of > non-profit organizations like the IEEE and the ISO. They are a publisher. They publish a series of booklets, with real ISBNs and all. You can't buy them at Barnes & Noble or on Amazon, but they're still real, live, dead-tree editions. This is no different from most other publishers, except they charge much more reasonable fees for their booklets -- they are a 501c3 non-profit organization, after all. > I just think the > fact that some rights are reserved should be mentioned when you refer > to it. Since you didn't, I took the liberty of doing so in my own > style. If I had mentioned a book that I wrote or co-authored, or a book that I had been technical reviewer of (e.g., 2nd editions of the O'Reilly books _DNS & BIND_ and _sendmail_) and I provided a link to the publishers web page for the book, would you have done anything different? -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From jrc at clshost.com Mon Oct 1 21:50:59 2007 From: jrc at clshost.com (J.R. Constance) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:50:59 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with SpamAssassin Message-ID: <7E7D2A6C-BCC7-4291-B71E-7F8DDF7DEA74@clshost.com> I have been attempting, unsuccessfully, to configure SpamAssassin to work with my Mailman installation using the "Add "Global_Pipeline.inster(1,'SpamAssassin')" method (from FAQ 4.23). I am hoping that someone who has been successful at implementing this will be able to help me out. I have been working through the instrucitons available at http:// www.jamesh.id.au/articles/mailman-spamassassin/ and have been able to create the user acount and directory, but when I attempt to pass the arguments to spamd to get it to run in a locked down mode using the instructions (spamd -d -u spamassassin -x -a -P --virtual-config-dir=/ var/lib/spamassassin/%u.prefs) I get the following: warn: Unknown option: a Usage: spamd [options] with a list of options that do not include an option "a" for crating automatic whitelists. Not sure that's a big deal so I removed the -a option and repeated the command, and that seemed to work OK. i moved on to the next step (not using RPM's) which was: chkconfig --level 345 spamassassin on and I get the following: error reading information on service spamassassin: No such file or directory Anybody have any ideas why this isn't working, or recommendations for what else I can check? Thanks, J.R. J.R. Constance jrc at rodricon.com From carnold at electrichendrix.com Mon Oct 1 22:47:34 2007 From: carnold at electrichendrix.com (Chris Arnold) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:47:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beginner questions In-Reply-To: <4700F474.7040902@eaachat.org> References: <13171755.52521191204448974.JavaMail.root@mail> <4700E7F4.8010204@eaachat.org> <4700EE4A.5090101@electrichendrix.com> <4700F474.7040902@eaachat.org> Message-ID: <47015CE6.8040304@electrichendrix.com> Dennis Morgan wrote: > Is my subscription request in your moderation queue? > I do not see it in membership management. I have not had a problem subscribing to the list. Can you try again? > I don't know hardly anything about mailman - I'm here to learn - Me too. I am just trying to learn while on the job :) > If you'd go ahead and enter the real values you have in > your configuration files instead of things like: > > main.cf i have entered relayhost = main.mail.server > > people like Mark and Brad would likely be able to be of more help. > I have a problem with this as this list is indexed by major search engines and i do not want things like for the whole world to see. From stephen at xemacs.org Mon Oct 1 23:09:53 2007 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 06:09:53 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners In-Reply-To: References: <4067829B4871054DB7E77A511FCE9224757E9A@exch-emp.campus.georgefox.edu> <87bqbkxerl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87r6kfpc8v.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <878x6n6uof.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <873awuh78e.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Brad Knowles writes: > If I had mentioned a book that I wrote or co-authored, or a book that > I had been technical reviewer of (e.g., 2nd editions of the O'Reilly > books _DNS & BIND_ and _sendmail_) and I provided a link to the > publishers web page for the book, would you have done anything > different? Maybe, maybe not. The ".com" would be a clue, for one thing. But in context I think I would use phrasing like "a good resource (which you can download for free if you're a SAGE member)". From stephen at xemacs.org Tue Oct 2 00:29:33 2007 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 07:29:33 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with SpamAssassin In-Reply-To: <7E7D2A6C-BCC7-4291-B71E-7F8DDF7DEA74@clshost.com> References: <7E7D2A6C-BCC7-4291-B71E-7F8DDF7DEA74@clshost.com> Message-ID: <87k5q6qxiq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> J.R. Constance writes: > I have been working through the instrucitons available at http:// > www.jamesh.id.au/articles/mailman-spamassassin/ I believe these instructions are pretty old, and SpamAssassin has evolved significantly since then. > I get the following: > > warn: Unknown option: a > Usage: > spamd [options] Confirmation of the "golden oldie" status of the instructions. You really should read the man page and other documentation for spamd, spamassassin, and spamc. > i moved on to the next step (not using RPM's) which was: > > chkconfig --level 345 spamassassin on AFAIK chkconfig is Red Hat/RPM-specific. If you didn't install SpamAssassin from RPMs, this isn't going to work. > error reading information on service spamassassin: No such file or > directory Consistent with the above guess. Note that it's not a certainty that anybody here is a SpamAssassin expert with experience on your platform. While eventually you need to work with Mailman, at this stage I strongly recommend you ask about installing and testing SpamAssassin on platform and SpamAssassin channels, too. > Anybody have any ideas why this isn't working, or recommendations for > what else I can check? First, a caution. If you're serious about "locked-down" mode (eg, having your lists spammed or your server turned into a spammer zombie could cost your job), maybe you should hire an expert. It's not something that can be achieved by following recipes you find on the web. If you're willing to accept something more-or-less secure and you're on a Red Hat system, then I would recommend installing both SpamAssassin and Mailman from RPMs, and going on from there. If/when you run into trouble, specify the vendor and version of your OS, the versions of the Mailman and SpamAssassin packages, and reproduce both commands and the informational and error messages that they produce verbatim. If you're not on Red Hat, we'll need the system details as above. From brad at shub-internet.org Tue Oct 2 00:31:04 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:31:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with SpamAssassin In-Reply-To: <7E7D2A6C-BCC7-4291-B71E-7F8DDF7DEA74@clshost.com> References: <7E7D2A6C-BCC7-4291-B71E-7F8DDF7DEA74@clshost.com> Message-ID: On 10/1/07, J.R. Constance wrote: > I have been attempting, unsuccessfully, to configure SpamAssassin to > work with my Mailman installation using the "Add > "Global_Pipeline.inster(1,'SpamAssassin')" method (from FAQ 4.23). I > am hoping that someone who has been successful at implementing this > will be able to help me out. That's not really the recommended way to perform anti-spam filtering on your system. All anti-spam/anti-virus filtering really should be integrated into your MTA and done before you tell the other end "250 Okay" at the end of the SMTP dialog. Otherwise you're accepting spam and taking the serious risk that you'll generate a backscatter bounce to a forged address. See FAQ 6.12 for one take on this type of solution. And don't ignore FAQ 4.64, either. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From www.wa3ad.com at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 01:43:23 2007 From: www.wa3ad.com at gmail.com (mdawi farsi) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:43:23 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <7fd5c9790710011643t4dd0e7a4pcfff7ce7617aa01b@mail.gmail.com> -- [flash=http://www.wa3ad.com/upload/uploading/tsmem-1zarhool.swf]WIDTH=500HEIGHT=749[/flash] From babilen at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 22:04:57 2007 From: babilen at gmail.com (Wolodja Wentland) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:04:57 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message.OutgoingMessage ??? Message-ID: <20071002200457.GF8274@kikutani.local> Hi all, please reply to me directly as well, as i am not subscribed to this list. I am trying to do an upgrade on debian from mailman 2.1.5 to mailman 2.1.9 and get the following error: --- snip --- Updating mailing list: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/withlist", line 297, in ? main() File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/withlist", line 272, in main r = [do_list(listname, args, func) for listname in Utils.list_names()] File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/withlist", line 194, in do_list m = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=LOCK) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__ self.Load() File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 665, in Load self.CheckVersion(dict) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 718, in CheckVersion Update(self, stored_state) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 53, in Update NewRequestsDatabase(l) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 489, in NewRequestsDatabase msg = Message.OutgoingMessage(text) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'OutgoingMessage' --- snip --- I had a look at the source code as distributed by debian and in the tarball from sourceforge. It seems like a bug to me that: --- snip --- from versions.py (line 466 - 492) NewRequestsDatabase(l): """With version 1.2, we use a new pending request database schema.""" r = getattr(l, 'requests', {}) if not r: # no old-style requests return for k, v in r.items(): [ yadda yadda yadda ] for p in v: author, text = p[2] reason = p[3] msg = Message.OutgoingMessage(text) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ l.HoldMessage(msg, reason) del r[k] elif k == 'add_member': --- snip --- This code tries to build an object of type OutgoingMessage which is assumed to be declared in Mailman.Message but is not. There is no single class OutgoingMessage in the Message module. What is wrong here? What can i do about it? Why am i the first to encounter this problem??? Thanks in advance... Wolodja Wentland -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20071002200457.GF8274@kikutani.local> Message-ID: Wolodja Wentland wrote: > >I am trying to do an upgrade on debian from mailman 2.1.5 to mailman >2.1.9 and get the following error: > >--- snip --- >Updating mailing list: >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/withlist", line 297, in ? > main() > File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/withlist", line 272, in main > r = [do_list(listname, args, func) for listname in Utils.list_names()] > File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/withlist", line 194, in do_list > m = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=LOCK) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__ > self.Load() > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 665, in Load > self.CheckVersion(dict) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 718, in CheckVersion > Update(self, stored_state) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 53, in Update > NewRequestsDatabase(l) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 489, in NewRequestsDatabase > msg = Message.OutgoingMessage(text) >AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'OutgoingMessage' >--- snip --- > >I had a look at the source code as distributed by debian and in the >tarball from sourceforge. It seems like a bug to me that: This appears to be some debian specific version of bin/update as our update does not involve running any withlist scripts. Also, this seems strange as it appears that the "Updating mailing list: " message comes from bin/update where it is looping through the lists and in that list by list process has invoked some withlist command on all lists. >--- snip --- from versions.py (line 466 - 492) >NewRequestsDatabase(l): > """With version 1.2, we use a new pending request database schema.""" > r = getattr(l, 'requests', {}) > if not r: > # no old-style requests > return > for k, v in r.items(): > > [ yadda yadda yadda ] > > for p in v: > author, text = p[2] > reason = p[3] > msg = Message.OutgoingMessage(text) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > l.HoldMessage(msg, reason) > del r[k] > elif k == 'add_member': >--- snip --- > >This code tries to build an object of type OutgoingMessage which is assumed >to be declared in Mailman.Message but is not. There is no single class >OutgoingMessage in the Message module. > >What is wrong here? What can i do about it? Why am i the first to >encounter this problem??? What is wrong is the code doesn't work because there is no longer an OutgoingMessage() class in the Mailman.Message module. You are probably not the first to encounter this, but you are encountering it because even though you are supposedly upgrading from 2.1.5 to 2.1.9, you have encountered a list that has a non-empty 'requests' attribute that hasn't been used since Mailman 1.x. The same code existed in versions.py in Mailman 2.1.5 and there was no Mailman.Message.OutgoingMessage() class then either, so the real question is why didn't you encounter the error when you upgraded to 2.1.5 or maybe how did a 2.1.5 list get a non-empty 'requests' attribute. Note that the list that has the problem is probably not because of the withlist -a that's done in the processing of . You could try something like #!/bin/bash for list in `bin/list_lists --bare` do echo $list: bin/dumpdb lists/${list}/config.pck | grep requests done to find the problem list. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From babilen at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 10:42:40 2007 From: babilen at gmail.com (Wolodja Wentland) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:42:40 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message.OutgoingMessage ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20071002200457.GF8274@kikutani.local> Message-ID: <20071003084240.GA17150@kikutani.local> On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 17:11 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Wolodja Wentland wrote: > > Note that the list that has the problem is probably not > because of the withlist -a that's done in the processing of > . > > You could try something like > > #!/bin/bash > for list in `bin/list_lists --bare` > do echo $list: > bin/dumpdb lists/${list}/config.pck | grep requests > done Ok. I've done that and got this output: --- snip --- [ ... ] some_list: 'autorespond_requests': 0, 'requests': { 'post': [ ( 4, 'respond_to_post_requests': 1, [ ... ] --- snip --- all the other lists look like this: --- snip --- other_list: 'autorespond_requests': 0, 'respond_to_post_requests': 1, --- snip --- The question now is: How to proceed? I tried searching the mailing list, but did not really found any references to this problem. Thanks so much for your kind help Wolodja Wentland P.S I still think that the aforementioned code should be changed to some sane default, as it seems to me that any call to the mentioned method will fail with the very same error. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you look at the full output from the dumpdb of this list's config.pck, you'll see what's there. > 'respond_to_post_requests': 1, >[ ... ] >--- snip --- > >all the other lists look like this: > >--- snip --- >other_list: > 'autorespond_requests': 0, > 'respond_to_post_requests': 1, >--- snip --- > > >The question now is: How to proceed? I tried searching the mailing list, >but did not really found any references to this problem. Do the following: $ bin/withlist -i No list name supplied. Python 2.5.1 ... (InteractiveConsole) >>> import cPickle >>> fp = open('lists/some-list/config.pck', 'r+') >>> d = cPickle.load(fp) >>> del d['requests'] >>> fp.seek(0) >>> cPickle.dump(d, fp, 1) >>> fp.close() >>> (You enter control-D (^D) on the last line to exit. You can then run bin/update to finish the upgrade. Note: that you can't use withlist in the normal way to fix this list because any attempt to load the list as a MailList object will fail with the original error. >I still think that the aforementioned code should be changed to some >sane default, as it seems to me that any call to the mentioned method >will fail with the very same error. You are correct of course, and I will fix it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From yan at jointtech.com Thu Oct 4 00:02:30 2007 From: yan at jointtech.com (Yan Herndon) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:02:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error Message-ID: <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5AB@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> I am receiving messages when I setup the list. I also receive messages that there is a message awaiting moderation. When I send a post to the list and then accept it it shows up in the archive. Just no actual posts go out. If Qmail is not configured properly (wont relay from localhost)would I receive any messages? I'd like to know that before I go down the Qmail road. In mm_cfg/py I did not see settings for SMTPPORT/HOST. They were in Defaults.py. Should I add them to mm_cfg.py and remove from defaults? Change it in Defaults? Add to mm_cfg and leave the old info in defaults? Thanks for the help. >>>Neither is Qmail, but ... Mailman delivers to the SMTP server and port defined by SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT which default to 'localhost' and 0 (which really means 25) respectively. You can assign these any values you wish in mm_cfg.py (or remove or change an existing assignment) if that will solve the problem. However, it really seems that Qmail is not configured properly if it won't relay mail originating at 'localhost'. Thanks, Yan Herndon Director of Technology Joint Technologies LTD 949-361-1158 jointtech.com From yan at jointtech.com Thu Oct 4 00:08:43 2007 From: yan at jointtech.com (Yan Herndon) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:08:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error In-Reply-To: <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5AB@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> References: <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5AB@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> Message-ID: <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5AC@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> Sorry. I thought these 2 threads would get put together but my Outlook must have mangled something. Or possibly I'm stupid. Here is the relevant info: Yan Herndon wrote: > >I'm having a problem with my lists. All remote mail stopped being >delivered. > >I'm running Plesk 8.2 on CentOS. > >Dedicated server. > >Mailman was preinstalled. > > > >I have done some googleing. Well actually my eyes are bleeding from all >the reading. Seems like the problem is that mailman wants to send mail >as localhost which is not allowed by Qmail. > >The lists were working and I'm suspicious of a plesk update that >happened a couple days ago via the updater. I know plesk isn't your >responsibility but thought you may know something. Neither is Qmail, but ... Mailman delivers to the SMTP server and port defined by SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT which default to 'localhost' and 0 (which really means 25) respectively. You can assign these any values you wish in mm_cfg.py (or remove or change an existing assignment) if that will solve the problem. However, it really seems that Qmail is not configured properly if it won't relay mail originating at 'localhost'. Thanks, Yan Herndon Director of Technology Joint Technologies LTD 949-361-1158 jointtech.com -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+yan=jointtech.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+yan=jointtech.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Yan Herndon Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:03 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error I am receiving messages when I setup the list. I also receive messages that there is a message awaiting moderation. When I send a post to the list and then accept it it shows up in the archive. Just no actual posts go out. If Qmail is not configured properly (wont relay from localhost)would I receive any messages? I'd like to know that before I go down the Qmail road. In mm_cfg/py I did not see settings for SMTPPORT/HOST. They were in Defaults.py. Should I add them to mm_cfg.py and remove from defaults? Change it in Defaults? Add to mm_cfg and leave the old info in defaults? Thanks for the help. >>>Neither is Qmail, but ... Mailman delivers to the SMTP server and port defined by SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT which default to 'localhost' and 0 (which really means 25) respectively. You can assign these any values you wish in mm_cfg.py (or remove or change an existing assignment) if that will solve the problem. However, it really seems that Qmail is not configured properly if it won't relay mail originating at 'localhost'. Thanks, Yan Herndon Director of Technology Joint Technologies LTD 949-361-1158 jointtech.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/yan%40jointtech.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp From yan at jointtech.com Thu Oct 4 01:56:34 2007 From: yan at jointtech.com (Yan Herndon) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:56:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error In-Reply-To: <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5AC@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> References: <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5AB@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5AC@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> Message-ID: <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5B5@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> After some more testing I realize that I was getting the subscription and mod pending emails because the list owner email address is local to the server. IE no relaying. If I put a local email addy on the subscriber list I get the post. If I use a remote email addy as the list owner / moderator I do not receive the subscription/mod emails. So it seems to be a case of all remote mail not being delivered. Which would make me think it's the qmail problem. I have attempted to add SMTPHOST = 'FQDN' in mm_cfg.py. I have not tried the IP of the server itself yet. I added tcp-env: 127.0.0.1 : setenv RELAYCLIENT To /etc/hosts.allow Neither of these helped. I think maybe it's time for some qmail help but thought somebody might have ideas here first. Thanks, Yan Herndon Director of Technology Joint Technologies LTD 949-361-1158 jointtech.com -----Original Message----- From: Yan Herndon Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:09 PM To: Yan Herndon; mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error Sorry. I thought these 2 threads would get put together but my Outlook must have mangled something. Or possibly I'm stupid. Here is the relevant info: Yan Herndon wrote: > >I'm having a problem with my lists. All remote mail stopped being >delivered. > >I'm running Plesk 8.2 on CentOS. > >Dedicated server. > >Mailman was preinstalled. > > > >I have done some googleing. Well actually my eyes are bleeding from all >the reading. Seems like the problem is that mailman wants to send mail >as localhost which is not allowed by Qmail. > >The lists were working and I'm suspicious of a plesk update that >happened a couple days ago via the updater. I know plesk isn't your >responsibility but thought you may know something. Neither is Qmail, but ... Mailman delivers to the SMTP server and port defined by SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT which default to 'localhost' and 0 (which really means 25) respectively. You can assign these any values you wish in mm_cfg.py (or remove or change an existing assignment) if that will solve the problem. However, it really seems that Qmail is not configured properly if it won't relay mail originating at 'localhost'. Thanks, Yan Herndon Director of Technology Joint Technologies LTD 949-361-1158 jointtech.com -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+yan=jointtech.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+yan=jointtech.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Yan Herndon Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:03 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error I am receiving messages when I setup the list. I also receive messages that there is a message awaiting moderation. When I send a post to the list and then accept it it shows up in the archive. Just no actual posts go out. If Qmail is not configured properly (wont relay from localhost)would I receive any messages? I'd like to know that before I go down the Qmail road. In mm_cfg/py I did not see settings for SMTPPORT/HOST. They were in Defaults.py. Should I add them to mm_cfg.py and remove from defaults? Change it in Defaults? Add to mm_cfg and leave the old info in defaults? Thanks for the help. >>>Neither is Qmail, but ... Mailman delivers to the SMTP server and port defined by SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT which default to 'localhost' and 0 (which really means 25) respectively. You can assign these any values you wish in mm_cfg.py (or remove or change an existing assignment) if that will solve the problem. However, it really seems that Qmail is not configured properly if it won't relay mail originating at 'localhost'. Thanks, Yan Herndon Director of Technology Joint Technologies LTD 949-361-1158 jointtech.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/yan%40jointtech.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 4 02:40:48 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:40:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error In-Reply-To: <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5AB@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> Message-ID: Yan Herndon wrote: >I am receiving messages when I setup the list. I also receive messages >that there is a message awaiting moderation. When I send a post to the >list and then accept it it shows up in the archive. So mailman is able to send via qmail and the important qrunners are running. >Just no actual posts go out. > >If Qmail is not configured properly (wont relay from localhost)would I >receive any messages? I'd like to know that before I go down the Qmail >road. Mailman can deliver a message with one recipient to Qmail and Qmail sends it. That says a lot of things are working, but it doesn't say that Qmail will accept and send a message with many recipients, so this may or may not be a Qmail issue. >In mm_cfg/py I did not see settings for SMTPPORT/HOST. They were in >Defaults.py. Should I add them to mm_cfg.py and remove from defaults? >Change it in Defaults? Add to mm_cfg and leave the old info in >defaults? No. Never make changes to Defaults.py. If you needed to change SMTPHOST and/or SMTPPORT, you would just put the settings in mm_cfg.py and they would override those in Defaults.py, but in your case, the defaults are correct or Mailman wouldn't be able to send at all. I will continue this reply to your latest post which just arrived here. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 4 02:51:01 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:51:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error In-Reply-To: <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5B5@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> Message-ID: Yan Herndon wrote: >After some more testing I realize that I was getting the subscription >and mod pending emails because the list owner email address is local to >the server. IE no relaying. > >If I put a local email addy on the subscriber list I get the post. > >If I use a remote email addy as the list owner / moderator I do not >receive the subscription/mod emails. > >So it seems to be a case of all remote mail not being delivered. Which >would make me think it's the qmail problem. Yes. >I have attempted to add SMTPHOST = 'FQDN' in mm_cfg.py. >I have not tried the IP of the server itself yet. This will make things worse, because you don't want to allow qmail to relay mail from something that connects to 'FDQN' or the IP. You want qmail to relay from a connection to 'localhost' or 127.0.0.1. >I added tcp-env: 127.0.0.1 : setenv RELAYCLIENT >To /etc/hosts.allow I'm not sure about this, but the bottom line is it didn't help. >Neither of these helped. > >I think maybe it's time for some qmail help but thought somebody might >have ideas here first. You need to remove SMTPHOST = 'FQDN' from mm_cfg.py and tell qmail to relay mail from 'localhost'. I can't tell you what the qmail incantation is. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From yan at jointtech.com Thu Oct 4 03:26:29 2007 From: yan at jointtech.com (Yan Herndon) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:26:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error In-Reply-To: References: <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5B5@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> Message-ID: <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5B9@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> Thanks very much for your help. I shall consult the Qmail wizards for help and post back with the answer. I can't be the only one with Plesk/Qmail/mailman problems so maybe it will help. I would change over to the "real" mailman but it's nice having everything in one place in plesk. Thanks, Yan Herndon Director of Technology Joint Technologies LTD 949-361-1158 jointtech.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:51 PM To: Yan Herndon; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error Yan Herndon wrote: >After some more testing I realize that I was getting the subscription >and mod pending emails because the list owner email address is local to >the server. IE no relaying. > >If I put a local email addy on the subscriber list I get the post. > >If I use a remote email addy as the list owner / moderator I do not >receive the subscription/mod emails. > >So it seems to be a case of all remote mail not being delivered. Which >would make me think it's the qmail problem. Yes. >I have attempted to add SMTPHOST = 'FQDN' in mm_cfg.py. >I have not tried the IP of the server itself yet. This will make things worse, because you don't want to allow qmail to relay mail from something that connects to 'FDQN' or the IP. You want qmail to relay from a connection to 'localhost' or 127.0.0.1. >I added tcp-env: 127.0.0.1 : setenv RELAYCLIENT >To /etc/hosts.allow I'm not sure about this, but the bottom line is it didn't help. >Neither of these helped. > >I think maybe it's time for some qmail help but thought somebody might >have ideas here first. You need to remove SMTPHOST = 'FQDN' from mm_cfg.py and tell qmail to relay mail from 'localhost'. I can't tell you what the qmail incantation is. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From gspivey at georgefox.edu Thu Oct 4 04:28:47 2007 From: gspivey at georgefox.edu (Gary Spivey) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:28:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners In-Reply-To: <706732014.20070930125410@ohww.norman.ok.us> References: <4067829B4871054DB7E77A511FCE9224757E9A@exch-emp.campus.georgefox.edu> <706732014.20070930125410@ohww.norman.ok.us> Message-ID: <4067829B4871054DB7E77A511FCE9224757F46@exch-emp.campus.georgefox.edu> Well - thanks all for the input, and Robert for your sample files - I have spent the spare moments of the last few days implementing procmail and spam assassin. I then changed my alias file as listed below listname-owner: "| /usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc owner listname" only for the listname-owner lines of the various lists ... Now, I don't get SPAM - this is great - I tried training spamassassin with some SPAM and with the ham of all of the mailman list archives to improve the selection. It seemed unclear to me, but apparently each user has their own training, so I trained as both root and as the mailman user - somebody can clue me in please on what is/was proper there ... ALMOST THERE!!!!! Now, my trouble is that when I send legitimately to a list - say a mail that is too large and needs moderation, then mailman sends an e-mail to listname-owner to moderate the e-mail. However, my beautiful SPAM filter is snagging it ... sigh ... I hate SPAM. I am perfectly satisfied with the size of ... well ... anyway ... Any futher help on how to train spamassassin to allow the legitimate e-mails to listname-owner and reject the others? Is there some way to make it so that e-mails from mailman to listname-owner get through but the others don't? Hmmm ... maybe procmail?!!? Can I filter on the from line to see if it is coming from my own mailman address? I am off to try that - any other thoughts would certainly be appreciated. I have had a couple days worth of education going here (like smrsh - who knew that would be restricted?!?!) -Gary -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+gspivey=georgefox.edu at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+gspivey=georgefox.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of Robert Braver Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:54 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners On Sunday, September 30, 2007, 12:30:44 AM, Gary Spivey wrote: GS> My lists are locked down to only allow posts from members, so my GS> members are not getting any [spam]. However, as list owner, every GS> one of my lists is getting a large amount of [spam] - generally GS> sent to the listname-owner or to mailman-owner. I run only a small handful of lists, with anywhere from 20 to 200 members each, and filter out at least 200 spams to the various list addresses daily by running everything through SpamAssassin via a small bit of procmail. I've been doing this for about a year now, and very few spams get through, resulting in very few messages for a moderator and uncaught bounce notifications. Legitimate bounces (e.g. a user submitting a message from a recently changed email addresses) still occur as expected & desired. Wholesale bouncing of list mail to non-subscribers is totally unacceptable due to the amount of outscatter this will cause. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter#Backscatter_of_email_spam ) It only took one list member from one of the smaller lists (which is private and not listed anywhere) who had their address book harvested by a trojan to cause about 50 spam emails a day to that list alone on an ongoing basis... so hiding the list addresses doesn't guarantee that they won't eventually leak out and get on the spam lists. Aliases file entries and procmail script is below. I'm currently tagging list filtered spam and shunting it to a specific folder which I periodically review and flush, but it could just as easily be sent to /dev/null. >From the aliases file: ## listname mailing list listname: "| /usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc post listname" listname-admin: "| /usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc admin listname" listname-bounces: "| /usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc bounces listname" listname-confirm: "| /usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc confirm listname" listname-join: "| /usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc join listname" listname-leave: "| /usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc leave listname" listname-owner: "| /usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc owner listname" listname-request: "| /usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc request listname" listname-subscribe: "| /usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc subscribe listname" listname-unsubscribe: "| /usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman.rc unsubscribe listname" The mailman.rc file is: VERBOSE=yes LOGFILE=/var/log/mailman-procmail.log MMCOMMAND=$1 MMLIST=$2 :0fw * < 256000 |/usr/bin/spamc # Send on to Mailman if not marked as spam :0 H * !^X-Spam-Status: Yes |/var/mailman/mail/mailman $MMCOMMAND $MMLIST # Otherwise add tag and send to abuse mailbox :0 * ^Subject:[ ]*\/[^ ].* { SUBJECT=$MATCH } # create the new subject token SUBJECT="[$MMLIST Filtered] $MATCH" # insert it into the headers :0hf | formail -I "Subject: $SUBJECT" # and forward :0 ! spam -- Best regards, Robert Braver rbraver at ohww.norman.ok.us ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gspivey%40georgefox .edu Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp From jaco at kroon.co.za Thu Oct 4 07:13:03 2007 From: jaco at kroon.co.za (Jaco Kroon) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 07:13:03 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error In-Reply-To: <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5B5@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> References: <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5AB@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5AC@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> <5693401817AB114984AB28E0F435B69C06B5B5@jtlserver1.JointTechnologiesLtd.lan> Message-ID: <4704765F.30803@kroon.co.za> Yan Herndon wrote: > After some more testing I realize that I was getting the subscription > and mod pending emails because the list owner email address is local to > the server. IE no relaying. > > If I put a local email addy on the subscriber list I get the post. > > If I use a remote email addy as the list owner / moderator I do not > receive the subscription/mod emails. > > So it seems to be a case of all remote mail not being delivered. Which > would make me think it's the qmail problem. > > I have attempted to add SMTPHOST = 'FQDN' in mm_cfg.py. > I have not tried the IP of the server itself yet. > > I added tcp-env: 127.0.0.1 : setenv RELAYCLIENT > To /etc/hosts.allow > > Neither of these helped. > > I think maybe it's time for some qmail help but thought somebody might > have ideas here first. Yes. The SMTPHOST should be localhost or 127.0.0.1. You may also want to look at http://www.kroon.co.za/howto.php?howto=qmail_mailman ... which explains how I did the qmail/mailman setup. Jaco > > Thanks, > > Yan Herndon > Director of Technology > Joint Technologies LTD > 949-361-1158 > jointtech.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yan Herndon > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:09 PM > To: Yan Herndon; mailman-users at python.org > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error > > Sorry. I thought these 2 threads would get put together but my Outlook > must have mangled something. Or possibly I'm stupid. Here is the > relevant info: > > Yan Herndon wrote: >> I'm having a problem with my lists. All remote mail stopped being >> delivered. >> >> I'm running Plesk 8.2 on CentOS. >> >> Dedicated server. >> >> Mailman was preinstalled. >> >> >> >> I have done some googleing. Well actually my eyes are bleeding from > all >> the reading. Seems like the problem is that mailman wants to send mail >> as localhost which is not allowed by Qmail. >> >> The lists were working and I'm suspicious of a plesk update that >> happened a couple days ago via the updater. I know plesk isn't your >> responsibility but thought you may know something. > > > Neither is Qmail, but ... > > Mailman delivers to the SMTP server and port defined by SMTPHOST and > SMTPPORT which default to 'localhost' and 0 (which really means 25) > respectively. You can assign these any values you wish in mm_cfg.py > (or remove or change an existing assignment) if that will solve the > problem. > > However, it really seems that Qmail is not configured properly if it > won't relay mail originating at 'localhost'. > > Thanks, > > Yan Herndon > Director of Technology > Joint Technologies LTD > 949-361-1158 > jointtech.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+yan=jointtech.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+yan=jointtech.com at python.org] On Behalf Of > Yan Herndon > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:03 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error > > I am receiving messages when I setup the list. I also receive messages > that there is a message awaiting moderation. When I send a post to the > list and then accept it it shows up in the archive. > > > > Just no actual posts go out. > > If Qmail is not configured properly (wont relay from localhost)would I > receive any messages? I'd like to know that before I go down the Qmail > road. > > > > In mm_cfg/py I did not see settings for SMTPPORT/HOST. They were in > Defaults.py. Should I add them to mm_cfg.py and remove from defaults? > Change it in Defaults? Add to mm_cfg and leave the old info in > defaults? > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > >>>> Neither is Qmail, but ... > > > > Mailman delivers to the SMTP server and port defined by SMTPHOST and > > SMTPPORT which default to 'localhost' and 0 (which really means 25) > > respectively. You can assign these any values you wish in mm_cfg.py > > (or remove or change an existing assignment) if that will solve the > > problem. > > > > However, it really seems that Qmail is not configured properly if it > > won't relay mail originating at 'localhost'. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yan Herndon > > Director of Technology > > Joint Technologies LTD > > 949-361-1158 > > jointtech.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/yan%40jointtech.com > > Security Policy: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jaco%40kroon.co.za > > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp From listeyon at metu.edu.tr Thu Oct 4 16:16:42 2007 From: listeyon at metu.edu.tr (liste yoneticisi) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:16:42 +0300 (WET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about content-filtering In-Reply-To: <000c01c6d247$e4416600$0301a8c0@endurance> References: <20060906010502.eyux3ept1k4wsssw@sbscomp.net> <000c01c6d247$e4416600$0301a8c0@endurance> Message-ID: I configured the list and default values accourding to the following values. I filled the filter_filename_extensions and pass_filename_extensions parameters for filtering attachments. the values are listed below: filter_filename_extensions = """exe bat cmd com pif scr vbs cpl""" pass_filename_extensions = """doc xls xml xlw ppt pps pdf php gz gif jpg jpeg bmp png htm html txt rtf rar zip""" But i have a problem, if someone sends a document with file name qwe.JPG mailman doesn't send the attachment. I couldn't add the Capital letter extensions. Mailman converts them to lower letter. Do you have any advise about it? From campbell at cnpapers.com Thu Oct 4 22:14:51 2007 From: campbell at cnpapers.com (Steve Campbell) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:14:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] include_list_post_headers Message-ID: <470549BB.7010104@cnpapers.com> Does the option "include_list_post_headers" being set to no resolve the problem of people who "reply to all", which sends the reply to the original poster and also the list again? I want the reply to only go to the original poster. I have everyone set to moderated except for a few people, and this is sort of an announce-only list. I would like to not have to discard all of these messages as moderator. Thanks Steve Campbell From raquel at thericehouse.net Thu Oct 4 23:19:23 2007 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:19:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] include_list_post_headers In-Reply-To: <470549BB.7010104@cnpapers.com> References: <470549BB.7010104@cnpapers.com> Message-ID: <20071004141923.4b460aba.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:14:51 -0400 Steve Campbell wrote: > Does the option "include_list_post_headers" being set to no > resolve the problem of people who "reply to all", which sends the > reply to the original poster and also the list again? I want the > reply to only go to the original poster. > > I have everyone set to moderated except for a few people, and this > is sort of an announce-only list. I would like to not have to > discard all of these messages as moderator. > > Thanks > > Steve Campbell > On the "General Options Section" (first page after logging into the admin site), check out "Where are replies to list messages directed?" and "Explicit Reply-To: header". -- Raquel ============================================================ One of the annoying things about believing in free will and individual responsibility is the difficulty in finding someone to blame your troubles on. And when you do find someone, it's remarkable how often their picture turns up on your driver's license. --P.J. O'Rourke From laribisamir at hotmail.com Fri Oct 5 00:53:04 2007 From: laribisamir at hotmail.com (samir laribi) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:53:04 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] urgent problem Message-ID: Dear admin of mailman-users of python.org ; i hope de ask you nto delete a message, we have posted it in december 2000, but now he causd to oiur associatin damage because he contain a names and adresse, please delete it, her is adresse http of message, please dele it and us by this adresse : laribisamir at hotmail.com : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-December/008581.html _________________________________________________________________ Sur Windows Live Ideas, d?couvrez en exclusivit? de nouveaux services en ligne... si nouveaux qu'ils ne sont pas encore sortis officiellement sur le march? ! http://ideas.live.com From laribisamir at hotmail.com Fri Oct 5 01:03:16 2007 From: laribisamir at hotmail.com (samir laribi) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:03:16 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] urgent problem Message-ID: Dear admin of mailman-users of python.org ; i hope de ask you nto delete a message, we have posted it in december 2000, but now he causd to oiur associatin damage because he contain a names and adresse, please delete it, her is adresse http of message, please dele it and us by this adresse : laribisamir at hotmail.com : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-December/008581.html _________________________________________________________________ T?l?chargez le nouveau Windows Live Messenger ! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 5 03:11:34 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:11:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about content-filtering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: liste yoneticisi wrote: > >pass_filename_extensions = """doc >xls >xml >xlw >ppt >pps >pdf >php >gz >gif >jpg >jpeg >bmp >png >htm >html >txt >rtf >rar >zip""" > >But i have a problem, if someone sends a document with file name qwe.JPG >mailman doesn't send the attachment. >I couldn't add the Capital letter extensions. Mailman converts them to >lower letter. The conversion of *_filename_extensions to lower case is intentional, but we neglected to convert the actual extension in the message to lower case for comparison. The following patch will be in Mailman 2.1.10 and will fix the problem. --- Mailman/Handlers/MimeDel.py 2005-12-30 18:50:08 +0000 +++ Mailman/Handlers/MimeDel.py 2007-10-05 01:01:24 +0000 @@ -256,4 +256,4 @@ fext = fext[1:] else: fext = '' - return fext + return fext.lower() -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 5 06:33:55 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:33:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] include_list_post_headers In-Reply-To: <470549BB.7010104@cnpapers.com> Message-ID: Steve Campbell wrote: >Does the option "include_list_post_headers" being set to no resolve the >problem of people who "reply to all", which sends the reply to the >original poster and also the list again? I want the reply to only go to >the original poster. No. "reply to all" in virtually every MUA will go to the list as well as to the sender. We go to great pains to include the list address somewhere to facilitate replying to the list. In fact, if you are able to set Full Personalization which replaces the To: header with the recipient's address, we put the list address in a Cc: header so "reply to all" will still include the list. I recognize that this may not be appropriate for an announce list so see below: >I have everyone set to moderated except for a few people, and this is >sort of an announce-only list. I would like to not have to discard all >of these messages as moderator. You have a few choices. On an announce list, it is usually better to set member_moderation_action to Reject and set an appropriate message (perhaps including "if you don't 'reply to all' to list messages, you won't see this rejection") in member_moderation_notice, or if you really want to discard them, set member_moderation_action to Discard. Either way, you don't have to manually deal with them. Other possibilities are to try to train your list members not to "reply to all" (probably futile), or to set require_explicit_destination to No and send posts with a Bcc: to the list so the list address doesn't appear in To:, From: or Cc: headers. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From campbell at cnpapers.com Fri Oct 5 14:43:51 2007 From: campbell at cnpapers.com (Steve Campbell) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:43:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] include_list_post_headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47063187.2010706@cnpapers.com> Mark, Thanks very much for the detailed explanation (and all the time and help you provide). I will do my best to train the users, but for now, I have just added a note in the footer to avoid the "Reply to All". Of course, no one read footers, but what the heck. Steve Mark Sapiro wrote: > Steve Campbell wrote: > > >> Does the option "include_list_post_headers" being set to no resolve the >> problem of people who "reply to all", which sends the reply to the >> original poster and also the list again? I want the reply to only go to >> the original poster. >> > > > No. "reply to all" in virtually every MUA will go to the list as well > as to the sender. We go to great pains to include the list address > somewhere to facilitate replying to the list. In fact, if you are able > to set Full Personalization which replaces the To: header with the > recipient's address, we put the list address in a Cc: header so "reply > to all" will still include the list. > > I recognize that this may not be appropriate for an announce list so > see below: > > > >> I have everyone set to moderated except for a few people, and this is >> sort of an announce-only list. I would like to not have to discard all >> of these messages as moderator. >> > > > You have a few choices. On an announce list, it is usually better to > set member_moderation_action to Reject and set an appropriate message > (perhaps including "if you don't 'reply to all' to list messages, you > won't see this rejection") in member_moderation_notice, or if you > really want to discard them, set member_moderation_action to Discard. > Either way, you don't have to manually deal with them. > > Other possibilities are to try to train your list members not to "reply > to all" (probably futile), or to set require_explicit_destination to > No and send posts with a Bcc: to the list so the list address doesn't > appear in To:, From: or Cc: headers. > > From shyamala.a at lntinfotech.com Fri Oct 5 14:54:42 2007 From: shyamala.a at lntinfotech.com (shyamucbe) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 05:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman is not sending mails to the subscribers after server migration Message-ID: <13056705.post@talk.nabble.com> Last week we migrated the code from Solaris server to Load Balanced Linux server Mailman is not sending mails to the subscribers after server migration. Mailman is running in the server. Kindly help in this regard. Thanks!!! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Mailman-is-not-sending-mails-to-the-subscribers-after-server-migration-tf4574279.html#a13056705 Sent from the Mailman - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From raquel at thericehouse.net Fri Oct 5 17:26:06 2007 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:26:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Rid of Posts Message-ID: <20071005082606.6bef4a14.raquel@thericehouse.net> When I was setting up my new server, I made an error in configuring Sendmail. For a very short period of time I had inadvertently left a hole where mail could be sent to "localhost.localdomain". During that time I got 3 posts sent to "mailman at localhost.localdomain". :(((( Those posts are being held in /var/lib/mailman/data as: heldmsg-mailman-1.pck heldmsg-mailman-2.pck heldmsg-mailman-3.pck and I'm being sent a message every morning telling me there are 3 files being held for my "consideration". "http://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/mailman" is not a valid URL to remove those files, so my question ... Can those *.pck files be deleted without causing a problem to Mailman? -- Raquel ============================================================ Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. --John F. Kennedy From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 5 17:47:34 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:47:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Rid of Posts In-Reply-To: <20071005082606.6bef4a14.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: Raquel wrote: >When I was setting up my new server, I made an error in configuring >Sendmail. For a very short period of time I had inadvertently left >a hole where mail could be sent to "localhost.localdomain". During >that time I got 3 posts sent to "mailman at localhost.localdomain". >:(((( > >Those posts are being held in /var/lib/mailman/data as: > heldmsg-mailman-1.pck > heldmsg-mailman-2.pck > heldmsg-mailman-3.pck >and I'm being sent a message every morning telling me there are 3 >files being held for my "consideration". >"http://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/mailman" is >not a valid URL to remove those files, so my question ... > >Can those *.pck files be deleted without causing a problem to >Mailman? You should be able to go to the admindb interface for the 'mailman' list at whatever host you're currently using to access Mailman, and discard the held messages. If for some reason, you can't, you should discard the heldmsg-mailman-*.pck files using Mailman's bin/discard and not by simply removing them since just removing them will not remove the entries from lists/mailman/request.pck and you'll still get the notices. Also, if you run fix_url on the mailman list, you'll get the correct hostname in the url in the notice. See bin/fix_url.py and/or . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 5 17:52:40 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:52:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman is not sending mails to the subscribersafter server migration In-Reply-To: <13056705.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: shyamucbe wrote: > >Last week we migrated the code from Solaris server to Load Balanced Linux >server >Mailman is not sending mails to the subscribers after server migration. >Mailman is running in the server. >Kindly help in this regard. See . If that doesn't help, we'll need more specifics such as: Does Mailman send any mail, e.g. subscription confirmations, owner notifications? What happens to a post attempt? Does it bounce? what's in the MTA logs? What you found in going through the steps in the above FAQ. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org Fri Oct 5 18:08:04 2007 From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:08:04 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic subscribtions Message-ID: <200710051808.05782.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> Hello, I've been using Sympa for a few years, and I'm now using Mailman (as I'm a python developper). Under Sympa, this is a way to automatically update the subscribtions using a SQL request. I found this feature very usefull: as I personnaly subscribe/unsubscribe people who come to the club, I have to maintain 3 bases with email adresses: one for the general database, and 2 for the 2 Mailman lists. If I could automatically update the 2 lists from the general database, it could be nice. Is there a way to do that? Regards, -- Fr?d?ric http://www.gbiloba.org From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 5 18:49:22 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:49:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic subscribtions In-Reply-To: <200710051808.05782.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> References: <200710051808.05782.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> Message-ID: <47066B12.3080007@value.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fr?d?ric Mantegazza wrote: > > Under Sympa, this is a way to automatically update the subscribtions using > a SQL request. I found this feature very usefull: as I personnaly > subscribe/unsubscribe people who come to the club, I have to maintain 3 > bases with email adresses: one for the general database, and 2 for the 2 > Mailman lists. > > If I could automatically update the 2 lists from the general database, it > could be nice. Is there a way to do that? There is a MySQL MemberAdaptor for Mailman at , but I think the most current version is at . These might allow you to use use your SQL database more or less directly for Mailman membership. However, it is probably simpler to creat som SQL query which will write a membership list to a flat file and then use Mailman's bin/sync_members to update the Mailman list membership. - -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFHBmsSVVuXXpU7hpMRAj4iAKDNYBZOUNxr6DPd4MoQI64O4cjU/gCg8he3 WXPNnR2oJjF2YA4kuptdjdk= =1OYw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From raquel at thericehouse.net Fri Oct 5 20:00:03 2007 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:00:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Rid of Posts In-Reply-To: References: <20071005082606.6bef4a14.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <20071005110003.517e903f.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:47:34 -0700 Mark Sapiro wrote: > Raquel wrote: > > >When I was setting up my new server, I made an error in > >configuring Sendmail. For a very short period of time I had > >inadvertently left a hole where mail could be sent to > >"localhost.localdomain". During that time I got 3 posts sent to > >"mailman at localhost.localdomain". :(((( > > > >Those posts are being held in /var/lib/mailman/data as: > > heldmsg-mailman-1.pck > > heldmsg-mailman-2.pck > > heldmsg-mailman-3.pck > >and I'm being sent a message every morning telling me there are 3 > >files being held for my "consideration". > >"http://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/mailman" is > >not a valid URL to remove those files, so my question ... > > > >Can those *.pck files be deleted without causing a problem to > >Mailman? > > If for some reason, you can't, you should discard the > heldmsg-mailman-*.pck files using Mailman's bin/discard and not by > simply removing them since just removing them will not remove the > entries from lists/mailman/request.pck and you'll still get the > notices. > Thank you, Mark. This was what I needed. -- Raquel ============================================================ Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. --Blaise Pascal From stephen at xemacs.org Fri Oct 5 20:19:29 2007 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:19:29 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] include_list_post_headers In-Reply-To: <47063187.2010706@cnpapers.com> References: <47063187.2010706@cnpapers.com> Message-ID: <87tzp5s9u6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Steve Campbell writes: > I will do my best to train the users, but for now, I have just added a > note in the footer to avoid the "Reply to All". Of course, no one read > footers, but what the heck. Note that Mailman also allows headers, which people will notice. Of course you don't want that for very long, so after a couple of posts (or a week if you post very frequently), you could move the note to the footer. Unfortunately, reply to all is a very hard habit to break, because it works well for the user, and although a pretty good default algorithm is known, almost no MUAs implement it, so the users don't have an alternative to reply-to-all that is effective in selecting the addressees they want when they reply. From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org Fri Oct 5 21:44:37 2007 From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:44:37 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic subscribtions In-Reply-To: <47066B12.3080007@value.net> References: <200710051808.05782.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> <47066B12.3080007@value.net> Message-ID: <200710052144.37972.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> On vendredi 05 octobre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Fr?d?ric Mantegazza wrote: > > Under Sympa, this is a way to automatically update the subscribtions > > using a SQL request. I found this feature very usefull: as I > > personnaly subscribe/unsubscribe people who come to the club, I have > > to maintain 3 bases with email adresses: one for the general database, > > and 2 for the 2 Mailman lists. > > > > If I could automatically update the 2 lists from the general database, > > it could be nice. Is there a way to do that? > > There is a MySQL MemberAdaptor for Mailman at > d=103&atid=300103>, but I think the most current version is at > . > > These might allow you to use use your SQL database more or less directly > for Mailman membership. > > However, it is probably simpler to creat som SQL query which will write > a membership list to a flat file and then use Mailman's bin/sync_members > to update the Mailman list membership. Thank you very much for the links :o) -- Fr?d?ric http://www.gbiloba.org From guilherme.funchal at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 15:04:11 2007 From: guilherme.funchal at gmail.com (Guilherme Funchal) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:04:11 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] different domain Message-ID: How to create two lists with same name, but different domain name and different users ? regards -- "Paci?ncia ? a virtude que abre o caminho para as demais" ============================== Guilherme Funchal da Silva .`. From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org Sat Oct 6 15:14:01 2007 From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:14:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] different domain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710061514.02156.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> On samedi 06 octobre 2007, Guilherme Funchal wrote: > How to create two lists with same name, but different domain name and > different users ? By using the -e option of the new_list command? -- Fr?d?ric http://www.gbiloba.org From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org Sat Oct 6 15:40:32 2007 From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:40:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] different domain In-Reply-To: References: <200710061514.02156.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> Message-ID: <200710061540.32602.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> On samedi 06 octobre 2007, Guilherme Funchal wrote: > after create a first list ok, but in second list... > The system respond list exist...not working Mmm, I realised that other cli tools does not need to specify the domain (only the name of the list). So, this is a problem. I'm also interested by the answer... -- Fr?d?ric http://www.gbiloba.org From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org Sat Oct 6 15:41:18 2007 From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:41:18 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription modifications by admin Message-ID: <200710061541.18848.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> Hi, When the admin (me) makes modifications on email adresses, a confirmation is needed by the user. Is it possible to turn this off? I want to be able to manage email lists whithout any confirmation from users (they are not all very familiar with lists, and I think it will be the same using sync_members command). I also noticed that even if I turn on the "Change globally" checkbox, the adress is not modified in other lists. Is that normel? I'm using mailman 2.1.9-7 from debian etch. Thanks, -- Fr?d?ric http://www.gbiloba.org From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Oct 6 17:43:57 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:43:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] different domain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/6/07, Guilherme Funchal wrote: > How to create two lists with same name, but different domain name and > different users ? Search the FAQ Wizard for "virtual domain hosting". -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From msapiro at value.net Sat Oct 6 18:31:25 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:31:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription modifications by admin In-Reply-To: <200710061541.18848.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> References: <200710061541.18848.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> Message-ID: <4707B85D.3040304@value.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fr?d?ric Mantegazza wrote: > > When the admin (me) makes modifications on email adresses, a confirmation > is needed by the user. Is it possible to turn this off? No > I want to be able > to manage email lists whithout any confirmation from users (they are not > all very familiar with lists, and I think it will be the same using > sync_members command). The normal command line tool to change a member's address is clone_member, but this too requires confirmation. If you are managing the user's subscriptions in such a way that they all have default options, you can effectively change a member's address without confirmation by removing the old address and adding the new. This can be done via the web admin Mass Removal and Mass Subscription pages or the command line remove_members, add_members or sync_members tools. Also, there is a withlist script to change a member's address at (mirror at There are two RFEs requesting the ability for an admin to change a member's address via the web without confirmation at and . > I also noticed that even if I turn on the "Change globally" checkbox, the > adress is not modified in other lists. Is that normel? Yes. Only the user or the site admin (not the list admin) can make global changes for a user. - -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFHB7hdVVuXXpU7hpMRAtBhAJ0eJMQnzN+M4/aWu65hl2bPN3H7lQCggJGm WYx3hzo7xpckVrmS9RvThHY= =dHXj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org Sat Oct 6 20:02:38 2007 From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:02:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription modifications by admin In-Reply-To: <4707B85D.3040304@value.net> References: <200710061541.18848.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> <4707B85D.3040304@value.net> Message-ID: <200710062002.39155.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> On samedi 06 octobre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The normal command line tool to change a member's address is > clone_member, but this too requires confirmation. > > If you are managing the user's subscriptions in such a way that they all > have default options, you can effectively change a member's address > without confirmation by removing the old address and adding the new. > This can be done via the web admin Mass Removal and Mass Subscription > pages or the command line remove_members, add_members or sync_members > tools. > > Also, there is a withlist script to change a member's address at > > (mirror at > Does this script also require confirmation from the user? > > I also noticed that even if I turn on the "Change globally" checkbox, > > the adress is not modified in other lists. Is that normel? > > Yes. Only the user or the site admin (not the list admin) can make > global changes for a user. Ok. So, this option should not be showed to a list admin... -- Fr?d?ric http://www.gbiloba.org From msapiro at value.net Sat Oct 6 20:25:37 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:25:37 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription modifications by admin In-Reply-To: <200710062002.39155.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> References: <200710061541.18848.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> <4707B85D.3040304@value.net> <200710062002.39155.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> Message-ID: <4707D321.8010503@value.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fr?d?ric Mantegazza wrote: > On samedi 06 octobre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> Also, there is a withlist script to change a member's address at >> >> (mirror at >> > > Does this script also require confirmation from the user? No. >>> I also noticed that even if I turn on the "Change globally" checkbox, >>> the adress is not modified in other lists. Is that normel? >> Yes. Only the user or the site admin (not the list admin) can make >> global changes for a user. > > Ok. So, this option should not be showed to a list admin... I agree. The web interface is scheduled for a major upgrade. See . We will address this at that time. - -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFHB9MhVVuXXpU7hpMRAiDaAKC+goNzzEPXkvgJ8UEg2X4y1A374ACfX531 HnKOw8pKAn9TjIzWePBd310= =mWt3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org Sat Oct 6 21:16:50 2007 From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:16:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription modifications by admin In-Reply-To: <4707D321.8010503@value.net> References: <200710061541.18848.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> <200710062002.39155.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> <4707D321.8010503@value.net> Message-ID: <200710062116.51148.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> On samedi 06 octobre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Does this script also require confirmation from the user? > > No. Great :o) I saw a globally=False param in the code. Does it change address globally if set to True? -- Fr?d?ric http://www.gbiloba.org From Tim.Bell at Sun.COM Sat Oct 6 22:33:30 2007 From: Tim.Bell at Sun.COM (Tim Bell) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:33:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] is not expanded when used in site/en/archidxfoot.html Message-ID: <4707F11A.604@sun.com> I am running mailman-2.1.9 on Solaris 10. I want the Pipermail archive pages to have same footer as the other mailman pages. This is defined by MailmanLogo() in Mailman/htmlformat.py via GetMailmanFooter() in HTMLFormatter.py. As described in the FAQ [1], I set up templates/site/en/ and I am making my changes there. My change is to add the standard footer used in other templates: % diff ../../en/archidxfoot.html archidxfoot.html 17a18,19 > >
When I run 'bin/arch --wipe ' the pages are regenerated with a literal '', and not the expanded text as I expected, for example in subscribe.html. This tells me that my modified archidxfoot.html was discovered and read (good), but the expected keyword expansion did not happen. Puzzling. Are the arch*.html files processed differently than the other templates such as subscribe.html? I see the expected footer on pages generated from subscribe.html, and changes I make in MailmanLogo() show up. Thanks for any pointers, relevant doc pages, or ... - Tim Bell [1] http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org Sat Oct 6 23:16:12 2007 From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 23:16:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't browse archives while logged as list admin Message-ID: <200710062316.12980.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> On the archive page, clicking on a month leads to (for example): http:///cgi-bin/mailman/private/2006-September/thread.html instead of: http:///cgi-bin/mailman/private/2006-September/thread.html All is working fine when logged as subscribed user. Is it a known bug? -- Fr?d?ric http://www.gbiloba.org From christian at puzder.com Sun Oct 7 01:12:49 2007 From: christian at puzder.com (ChristianPuzder) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:12:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] troube with mailman mailing list Message-ID: <62085.24.107.149.139.1191712369.squirrel@puzder.com> I have been using the mailinglist software for 2 years - I love it. Recently I am unavble to tend to administrative tasks. For instance if a message is caught and I want to approve it, I can select the "approve" checkbox, but when I submit the action does nto occur. similarly in Membership Management, if I try to "unsub" a user by checking the checkbox then click "submit changes" the user is not unsubscribed ... any idea whats going on? My host has tried everything he knows and cant figure it out. thanks C From msapiro at value.net Sun Oct 7 01:37:43 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:37:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription modifications by admin In-Reply-To: <200710062116.51148.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> References: <200710061541.18848.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> <200710062002.39155.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> <4707D321.8010503@value.net> <200710062116.51148.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> Message-ID: <47081C47.5000009@value.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fr?d?ric Mantegazza wrote: > On samedi 06 octobre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >>> Does this script also require confirmation from the user? >> No. > > Great :o) I saw a globally=False param in the code. Does it change address > globally if set to True? Yes, but it is better to use the -a (or --all) withlist option as indicated in the doc string of change_member_address.py because this allows you to get list by list feedback of what was done. - -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFHCBxHVVuXXpU7hpMRAv5VAKCkIFjQxj+GaOmI+udcLGH+pcPzUACfYnoz vJM8wlXlLZigE1qzGjFgnf4= =uT6O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From msapiro at value.net Sun Oct 7 01:56:11 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:56:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't browse archives while logged as list admin In-Reply-To: <200710062316.12980.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> References: <200710062316.12980.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> Message-ID: <4708209B.4010901@value.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fr?d?ric Mantegazza wrote: > On the archive page, clicking on a month leads to (for example): > > http:///cgi-bin/mailman/private/2006-September/thread.html > > instead of: > > http:///cgi-bin/mailman/private/2006-September/thread.html > > All is working fine when logged as subscribed user. Is it a known bug? The problem is that you got to the index page via a URL that didn't end in a slash. E.g., http:///cgi-bin/mailman/private/ instead of http:///cgi-bin/mailman/private// Then, because the href's on the page are relative (e.g., href="2006-September/thread.html"), without the trailing slash, they are taken as relative to private/ instead of private//. So the question becomes where did the URL without the trailing slash come from? I don't see this problem with Mailman generated archive URLs, but if it is a Mailman generated URL in your case, what Mailman version is this, and from where did you get to this page? The only way I can reproduce this is if I am already logged in and I go to a URL like http:///cgi-bin/mailman/private/ without the trailing slash. Then I see the problem, but it makes no difference if I'm logged in as admin or a user. - -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFHCCCbVVuXXpU7hpMRAp3mAJ9IVy3L5SLuIaJE7wLow5vcYnByCgCgoIaI agIaRxAMHGj5dqjyqrcxlo4= =LYtf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From msapiro at value.net Sun Oct 7 04:15:40 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:15:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] is not expanded when used insite/en/archidxfoot.html In-Reply-To: <4707F11A.604@sun.com> Message-ID: Tim Bell wrote: >I am running mailman-2.1.9 on Solaris 10. I want the Pipermail archive >pages to have same footer as the other mailman pages. This is defined by >MailmanLogo() in Mailman/htmlformat.py via GetMailmanFooter() >in HTMLFormatter.py. > >As described in the FAQ [1], I set up templates/site/en/ and I am making >my changes there. My change is to add the standard footer used in other >templates: > >% diff ../../en/archidxfoot.html archidxfoot.html >17a18,19 >> >>
> >When I run 'bin/arch --wipe ' the pages are regenerated >with a literal '', and not the expanded text >as I expected, for example in subscribe.html. This tells me that >my modified archidxfoot.html was discovered and read (good), but >the expected keyword expansion did not happen. Puzzling. This happens because the archiver uses its own template-specific interpolation dictionaries for its templates, and none of these include any of the 'Are the arch*.html files processed differently than the other templates >such as subscribe.html? Yes. They don't use htmlformat.py or HTMLFormatter.py at all, but even templates that have tags are only recognized on the listinfo.html template and can't be used to put a subscribe form in a different template without modifying the code that processes that template. Unfortunately, which replacements work in which templates is not documented outside of the code itself, so the safest (although not absolute) rule is if it isn't in the original template, it probably won't work. >I see the expected footer on pages generated >from subscribe.html, and changes I make in MailmanLogo() show up. > > >Thanks for any pointers, relevant doc pages, or ... - Tim Bell If you're willing to modify the code, you can find d = {"lastdate": quotetime(self.lastdate), "archivedate": quotetime(self.archivedate), "listinfo": mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1), "version": self.version, } in Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py and add a line to make it d = {"lastdate": quotetime(self.lastdate), "archivedate": quotetime(self.archivedate), "listinfo": mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1), "version": self.version, "mailman-footer": mlist.GetMailmanFooter(), } and then use the replacement %(mailman-footer)s in the archidxfoot.html template. You can't use the tag in the template even if you define it in the interpolation dictionary because these tags are processed only by an HTMLFormatter method. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mkabot at soarol.com Sun Oct 7 04:22:05 2007 From: mkabot at soarol.com (Michael Kabot) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] different domain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010501c80888$db06a780$9113f680$@com> Guilherme, In the current version of Mailman you cannot create a list with the same name on multiple domains. Or to be more specific, each server has a single "namespace" for mailing lists - independent of domain name. One method to get around this is to append the domain name to the list name to make it unique. In Service, Michael Kabot President - SOAR Scouting Online Affordable & Reliable mkabot at soarol.com 585-388-0211 www.soarol.com | | On 10/6/07, Guilherme Funchal wrote: | | > How to create two lists with same name, but different domain name | and | > different users ? | | Search the FAQ Wizard for "virtual domain hosting". | From msapiro at value.net Sun Oct 7 04:38:49 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:38:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] troube with mailman mailing list In-Reply-To: <62085.24.107.149.139.1191712369.squirrel@puzder.com> Message-ID: ChristianPuzder wrote: >I have been using the mailinglist software for 2 years - I love it. >Recently I am unavble to tend to administrative tasks. For instance if a >message is caught and I want to approve it, I can select the "approve" >checkbox, but when I submit the action does nto occur. similarly in >Membership Management, if I try to "unsub" a user by checking the checkbox >then click "submit changes" the user is not unsubscribed ... > >any idea whats going on? > >My host has tried everything he knows and cant figure it out. Can he remember what he did just before it stopped working? If you are not being asked to re-enter your password at every step, see . If you are being asked to re-enter your password at every step, see and . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org Sun Oct 7 08:49:24 2007 From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:49:24 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't browse archives while logged as list admin In-Reply-To: <4708209B.4010901@value.net> References: <200710062316.12980.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> <4708209B.4010901@value.net> Message-ID: <200710070849.24739.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> On dimanche 07 octobre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The problem is that you got to the index page via a URL that didn't end > in a slash. E.g., > > http:///cgi-bin/mailman/private/ > > instead of > > http:///cgi-bin/mailman/private// > > Then, because the href's on the page are relative (e.g., > href="2006-September/thread.html"), without the trailing slash, they are > taken as relative to private/ instead of private//. > > So the question becomes where did the URL without the trailing slash > come from? I don't see this problem with Mailman generated archive URLs, > but if it is a Mailman generated URL in your case, what Mailman version > is this, and from where did you get to this page? Ok, my fault; I have a web page pointing to the archives, and I didn't have the trailing slash. It works fine, now. Thanks! -- Fr?d?ric http://www.gbiloba.org From outime at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 20:07:24 2007 From: outime at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rub=E9n_C._D=EDaz_Alonso_"outime"?=) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:07:24 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating users to another mailing list Message-ID: Hello list, I have two mailing list, "A" and "B". "A" has about 100 subscribers, and we have 4900 in "B". Okay, that's the situation. I need to have these 4900 subscribers in each list, "A" and "B", and doing it manually is not a easy work. How can I do a massive suscription with all subscribers of "B" to "A"? I think getting a text file with subscribers of "B" and use the massive suscription option in mailman will be the best option, but how can I get that text file? Thanks -- and sorry for my poor English. -- Rub?n C. D?az Alonso "outime" http://120linux.com (blog) GPG 2354DA5F -- please, encrypt private email Linux user #417360 From msapiro at value.net Sun Oct 7 20:15:15 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:15:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating users to another mailing list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rub?n C. D?az Alonso wrote: > >How can I do a massive suscription with all subscribers of "B" to "A"? >I think getting a text file with subscribers of "B" and use the >massive suscription option in mailman will be the best option, but how >can I get that text file? See . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From outime at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 20:18:16 2007 From: outime at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rub=E9n_C._D=EDaz_Alonso_"outime"?=) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:18:16 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating users to another mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/7/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Rub?n C. D?az Alonso wrote: > > > >How can I do a massive suscription with all subscribers of "B" to "A"? > >I think getting a text file with subscribers of "B" and use the > >massive suscription option in mailman will be the best option, but how > >can I get that text file? > > > See > . > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > Got it, thank you Mark :-) -- Rub?n C. D?az Alonso "outime" http://120linux.com (blog) GPG 2354DA5F -- please, encrypt private email Linux user #417360 From mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net Sun Oct 7 21:12:06 2007 From: mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net (Mikael Hansen) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:12:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] text=flow Message-ID: Hello, I seem to recall there was a bug in text=flow. Perhaps it simply wasn't included in the Content-Type header field when it should have been. I wonder if this is why paragraphs appear broken into hard return lines. Mac OS X 10.4.10, Python 2.3.5, Mailman 2.1.9. Mikael From msapiro at value.net Sun Oct 7 21:43:17 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:43:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] text=flow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mikael Hansen wrote: > >I seem to recall there was a bug in text=flow. Perhaps it simply >wasn't included in the Content-Type header field when it should have >been. I think you are thinking of . There is a patch attached to the above bug page, and the fix will be in Mailman 2.1.10. >I wonder if this is why paragraphs appear broken into hard return lines. That is the symptom. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net Tue Oct 9 02:51:18 2007 From: mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net (Mikael Hansen) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:51:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max messages per user per day Message-ID: Hello, I wonder if there is a way to configure some or all users to be able to post no more than a given number of messages per day. Mikael From brad at shub-internet.org Tue Oct 9 06:39:54 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:39:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max messages per user per day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/8/07, Mikael Hansen wrote: > I wonder if there is a way to configure some or all users to be able > to post no more than a given number of messages per day. Short answer: No. Long answer: Search the FAQ wizard for "rate limiting". -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From ksg1000 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 9 10:41:48 2007 From: ksg1000 at hotmail.com (kate griffiths) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:41:48 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] shutting a list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Mailman users Can anyone give me any advice on how to close down a list? The list is moving to a new server, but I can't find any info in the FAQs about shutting a list down and the helpful stages to follow. It may be as simple as unsubscribing everyone, but any pointers anyone has would be much appreciated. Plus, if I switch the system to emergency moderation for the switchover process just to avoid any admin messages going to the list when they should come to the admin address, does that have any side effects? Thanks in advance for your help, Kate. _________________________________________________________________ Celeb spotting ? Play CelebMashup and win cool prizes https://www.celebmashup.com From adrian at whatifnet.com Tue Oct 9 16:21:01 2007 From: adrian at whatifnet.com (Adrian Wells) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:21:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Install MySQLMemberAdaptor? Message-ID: Hello all. Where can one find instructions or suggestions as to how to install MySQLMemberAdaptor located at ? I have not been able to find instructions for this (I thought they might be available on the Mailman wiki - could instructions be offered on the wiki, ?). Is this simply a matter of downloading the individual files and replacing the files of a Mailman 2.1.9 installation? Are there other sites using successfully using this combination of software? Thank you, -Adrian From gilmore.126 at osu.edu Tue Oct 9 17:06:07 2007 From: gilmore.126 at osu.edu (Melinda Gilmore) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:06:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions on mail spools Message-ID: <002701c80a85$eba20090$6ef39280@oitlan.oit.ohiostate.edu> I need to migrate from listproc to mailman. In trying to look at some of the configurations. We need to find out when an individual list may have rec'd mail. Is there a individual mail log for each list like in listproc. Or maybe I am looking at this in the wrong way. I can look in the postfix mail, but not by individual list. We would also like to be able to see when the last time a list has been changed. Any ideas?? From msapiro at value.net Tue Oct 9 18:39:44 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:39:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] shutting a list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: kate griffiths wrote: > >Dear Mailman users Can anyone give me any advice on how to close down a list? The list is moving to a new server, but I can't find any info in the FAQs about shutting a list down and the helpful stages to follow. There is the FAQ at , but I suspect your's is a different question. Note that you can remove a list and not remove it's archives, but this probably only makes sense if the archives are public. >It may be as simple as unsubscribing everyone, but any pointers anyone has would be much appreciated. Plus, if I switch the system to emergency moderation for the switchover process just to avoid any admin messages going to the list when they should come to the admin address, does that have any side effects? The one thing about emergency moderation that you should be aware of is that when a post that would not otherwise be held is held for 'emergency moderation', the owner is not sent a specific notice. So depending on the situation, you may wish to check the admindb interface periodically. Emergency moderation holds are listed along with other held messages in the daily summary sent to the list owner. Instead of setting emergency moderation, you could just set everyone's moderation bit on, set member_moderation_action to Reject, and set an appropriate member_moderation_notice informing posters of the new list address. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Oct 9 19:37:06 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:37:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions on mail spools In-Reply-To: <002701c80a85$eba20090$6ef39280@oitlan.oit.ohiostate.edu> Message-ID: Melinda Gilmore wrote: >I need to migrate from listproc to mailman. In trying to look at some of >the configurations. We need to find out when an individual list may have >rec'd mail. Is there a individual mail log for each list like in listproc. No. >Or maybe I am looking at this in the wrong way. I can look in the postfix >mail, but not by individual list. You can always grep the log for a list address. Mailman has logs. In particular, 'post' and 'smtp' but both these log posts (and other messages in the case of 'smtp') as they are sent, not received. Mailman's 'vette' log logs posts that are held, rejected or discarded. Nothing in Mailman logs a post as it is received, and all Mailman's logs are global, not list specific. There is also a list attribute 'last_post_time' for each list, but you'd have to create a script to access and display it. For an example, see (mirrored at ). Also, this is the time the post was placed in the outgoing queue for delivery, so it doesn't include posts that are currently held or that have been rejected or discarded. >We would also like to be able to see >when the last time a list has been changed. Any ideas?? You could look at the timestamp on the lists//config.pck file, but this may change much more frequently than what you're looking for. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Oct 9 20:49:49 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:49:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Install MySQLMemberAdaptor? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Adrian Wells wrote: >Hello all. Where can one find instructions or suggestions as to how to >install MySQLMemberAdaptor located at >? I have not been able >to find instructions for this (I thought they might be available on the >Mailman wiki - could instructions be offered on the wiki, >?). There is a README at . Also, this MySQLMemberAdaptor is based on the one at which has its own README which might be helpful. Finally, some of the threads found with may help. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net Wed Oct 10 00:54:16 2007 From: mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net (Mikael Hansen) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:54:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending invitations Message-ID: I likely have not looked closely enough for which I apologize, but where do you find a list of a list admin's pending invitations and subscriptions? Mikael From ben at easy2usekzn.co.za Wed Oct 10 08:15:53 2007 From: ben at easy2usekzn.co.za (Ben Botes) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:15:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Displaying email address Message-ID: Can someone help me with the following problem. When sending an email to my mailing list, I need to display the email address of the person the message is going to in the To field. Is there a setting that I am not seeing or is there a code that must be include in every mail I sent to have the email address visible? Regards Ben Botes From brad at shub-internet.org Wed Oct 10 09:55:43 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:55:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Displaying email address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/10/07, Ben Botes wrote: > When sending an email to my mailing list, I need to display the email > address of the person the message is going to in the To field. Okay. > Is there a setting that I am not seeing or is there a code that must be > include in every mail I sent to have the email address visible? That's a client problem. That has nothing to do with Mailman. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From zszalbot at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 10:21:46 2007 From: zszalbot at gmail.com (Zbigniew Szalbot) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:21:46 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Displaying email address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94136a2c0710100121k6d462edeq47f30141d1b94615@mail.gmail.com> 2007/10/10, Brad Knowles : > On 10/10/07, Ben Botes wrote: > > > When sending an email to my mailing list, I need to display the email > > address of the person the message is going to in the To field. > > Okay. > > > Is there a setting that I am not seeing or is there a code that must be > > include in every mail I sent to have the email address visible? > > That's a client problem. That has nothing to do with Mailman. Isn't it what full personalization is for? See Non-digest options for full personalization of email from MLS. Zbigniew Szalbot From zszalbot at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 10:35:00 2007 From: zszalbot at gmail.com (Zbigniew Szalbot) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:35:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Displaying email address In-Reply-To: References: <94136a2c0710100121k6d462edeq47f30141d1b94615@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <94136a2c0710100135g6bca1f5k37de3097a3fe6c7c@mail.gmail.com> 2007/10/10, Ben Botes : > Dear Zbigniew, > > Thank you for you reply. > > I had a look at the documentation on Personalization under Non-digest option > but I am maybe not understanding what the setting should be to have this > done. > > If possible, could you send me a screen print on what the Non-digest option > should look like to achieve this. Under Non-digest options, set check Full Personalization option and put %(user_address)s in the text box below it. %(user_address)s Also, for this to work you need to set OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes in mm_cfg.py and restart mailman. You should find this file in /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ but your set up may vary. Regards, Zbigniew Szalbot From mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net Wed Oct 10 23:04:58 2007 From: mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net (Mikael Hansen) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:04:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscription Message-ID: <6F95D236-90B5-4E86-8441-638A441A239C@comcast.net> Hello, I have happily noticed that mass subscription allows for "a b " rather than just "c at d". But I see two problems: 1. if "a" or "b" includes a letter with an accent, mailman says that the invitation/susbcription has failed. 2. the subscriber list for members includes email addresses only; there are no names. Mikael From ben at easy2usekzn.co.za Thu Oct 11 08:11:08 2007 From: ben at easy2usekzn.co.za (Ben Botes) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:11:08 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: Good day, When importing a mailing list using mass import, is there a way that one can import the persons name and email address at the same time? Regards Ben Botes From scry_mr at yahoo.ca Thu Oct 11 15:50:14 2007 From: scry_mr at yahoo.ca (Juan Miscaro) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] identifying and disabling monthly reminders Message-ID: <854736.29301.qm@web57611.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I realize that these questions must have been asked a million times but I have searched the archives and cannot find the answers. Via the command line... a) How to identify lists that have their reminders enabled. b) How to disable those reminders. // juan Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 11 16:10:43 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:10:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscription In-Reply-To: <6F95D236-90B5-4E86-8441-638A441A239C@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mikael Hansen wrote: > >I have happily noticed that mass subscription allows for "a b " >rather than just "c at d". But I see two problems: > >1. if "a" or "b" includes a letter with an accent, mailman says that >the invitation/susbcription has failed. Put the real name in quotes as "? b" >2. the subscriber list for members includes email addresses only; >there are no names. Which subscriber list? The web admin membership list pages show real names as does the output of the email 'who' command and optionally the output of bin/list_members. Only the web 'roster' doesn't show real names. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 11 16:12:33 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:12:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ben Botes wrote: > >When importing a mailing list using mass import, is there a way that one can >import the persons name and email address at the same time? See . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 11 16:19:55 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] identifying and disabling monthly reminders In-Reply-To: <854736.29301.qm@web57611.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Juan Miscaro wrote: > >Via the command line... > >a) How to identify lists that have their reminders enabled. You could use bin/withlist -a with a small script along the lines of def show_reminders(mlist): if mlist.send_reminders: print mlist.real_name See bin/withlist -h for more information. But ... >b) How to disable those reminders. If all you want to do is not send reminders to any list, just remove the mailpasswds entry from Mailman's crontab. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From scry_mr at yahoo.ca Thu Oct 11 17:17:42 2007 From: scry_mr at yahoo.ca (Juan Miscaro) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] identifying and disabling monthly reminders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <35508.4468.qm@web57609.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- Mark Sapiro wrote: > Juan Miscaro wrote: > > > >Via the command line... > > > >a) How to identify lists that have their reminders enabled. > > > You could use bin/withlist -a with a small script along the lines of > > def show_reminders(mlist): > if mlist.send_reminders: > print mlist.real_name > > See bin/withlist -h for more information. Thank you but I need more guidance. I figure that is a python snippet. I put a shebang line pointing to my interpreter and ran the following command but the thing bombed: ./bin/withlist -a -r identify_reminder_lists.py Sorry for the newbie question. // juan Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net Thu Oct 11 18:14:46 2007 From: mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net (Mikael Hansen) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:14:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscription In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <135E6598-F812-401B-BFCB-6C82C399DCFA@comcast.net> On Oct 11, 2007, at 7:10 , Mark Sapiro wrote: >> 2. the subscriber list for members includes email addresses only; >> there are no names. > > Which subscriber list? ... Only the web 'roster' doesn't show real > names. Yes, that's the one. Sorry about my ambigous wording. Mikael From hansen at rc.org Thu Oct 11 18:02:40 2007 From: hansen at rc.org (Allan Hansen) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:02:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscription In-Reply-To: <6F95D236-90B5-4E86-8441-638A441A239C@comcast.net> References: <6F95D236-90B5-4E86-8441-638A441A239C@comcast.net> Message-ID: >Hello, > >I have happily noticed that mass subscription allows for "a b " >rather than just "c at d". But I see two problems: > >1. if "a" or "b" includes a letter with an accent, mailman says that >the invitation/susbcription has failed. > >2. the subscriber list for members includes email addresses only; >there are no names. What version are you using? In my version, the names appear right under the email address in a text field. > >Mikael -- Allan Hansen P.O Box 2423 Cypress, CA 90630 U.S.A. hansen at rc.org +1-714-875-8870 From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org Thu Oct 11 19:27:50 2007 From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:27:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic subscribtions In-Reply-To: <47066B12.3080007@value.net> References: <200710051808.05782.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> <47066B12.3080007@value.net> Message-ID: <200710111927.51206.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> On vendredi 05 octobre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote: > However, it is probably simpler to creat som SQL query which will write > a membership list to a flat file and then use Mailman's bin/sync_members > to update the Mailman list membership. Using sync_members on a file containing names and addresses, I get : Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/sync_members", line 286, in ? main() File "/usr/sbin/sync_members", line 259, in main s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe9 in position 3: ordinal not in range(128) Is this script able to handle non-ascii chars? -- Fr?d?ric http://www.gbiloba.org From lists at locutory.org Thu Oct 11 23:33:19 2007 From: lists at locutory.org (glen martin) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:33:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject *to* non-subscriber Message-ID: <470E969F.5020204@locutory.org> I've seen several posts about restricting non-subscribers from posting. This is a little different. I run a private list where the list-members have decided they don't want non-subscribers on the threads at all. But occasionally one will forget and cross-post. I'd like to bounce subscriber messages where a non-subscriber is anywhere on the receiver list. Is there anything like this currently available or contemplated? Thanks glen From dbrva at yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 00:27:26 2007 From: dbrva at yahoo.com (David Boothe) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Stuck in Mail Queue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <597280.61986.qm@web55114.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hey guys I am running MailMan version 2.1.9.cp2 on a RHEL 4 box with cPanel 11. One of my cleints has a list with about 10,000 subscribers. It is set up as a news list (only the owner sends mail oue to the subscribers) that gets an email sent about 3-4 times a year. I have noticed that when the owner sends out an email, several emaisl get 'stuck' in the mail queue with about 500 recipients per mail. I have nothing set on the server to limit any user in the amount of mail they can send. The mail was sent out 2 days ago and stil about 19 emails with up to 500 recipients are in the queue. I have noticed that among the recipients are addresses that have already received the mailing from the owner. I guess I have a few questions... 1) Is this 'normal' activity? 2) Why does the mail stay in the queue even for recipients that have already received the mail? 3) Is there a setting within MailMan that can control this? 4) Any suggestions based on the described activity that will help the lists run better? Thanks --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. From gregb at laserlab.com Fri Oct 12 01:12:48 2007 From: gregb at laserlab.com (gregben) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.9 on Solaris 8: /bin/sh: /bin/update: cannot execute Message-ID: <13148194.post@talk.nabble.com> I'm having trouble with # make install The last few lines of output are: Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ... Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ... Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... /bin/sh: bin/update: cannot execute make: *** [update] Error 1 # The file bin/update contained: #! @PYTHON@ in the shebang line. I changed this to: #!/usr/local/bin/python and this allows me to execute /bin/update from the command line but the make install still fails so I must barking up the wrong tree. Python version is 2.3.3 Any ideas appreciated. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/mailman-2.1.9-on-Solaris-8%3A--bin-sh%3A--bin-update%3A-cannot-execute-tf4604696.html#a13148194 Sent from the Mailman - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jwblist3 at olympus.net Fri Oct 12 04:17:58 2007 From: jwblist3 at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:17:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject *to* non-subscriber In-Reply-To: <470E969F.5020204@locutory.org> Message-ID: On 10/11/07 2:33 PM, "glen martin" wrote: > I've seen several posts about restricting non-subscribers from posting. > This is a little different. > > I run a private list where the list-members have decided they don't want > non-subscribers on the threads at all. But occasionally one will forget > and cross-post. I'd like to bounce subscriber messages where a > non-subscriber is anywhere on the receiver list. Is there anything like > this currently available or contemplated? It can't be fully done because of Bcc. (Except in a very specific scenario which likely isn't achievable.) It could be done with respect to To: and Cc:, but that might well just give a false sense of privateness. --John From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 12 06:12:07 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:12:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] identifying and disabling monthly reminders In-Reply-To: <35508.4468.qm@web57609.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Juan Miscaro wrote: > >--- Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> You could use bin/withlist -a with a small script along the lines of >> >> def show_reminders(mlist): >> if mlist.send_reminders: >> print mlist.real_name >> >> See bin/withlist -h for more information. > > >Thank you but I need more guidance. I figure that is a python snippet. > I put a shebang line pointing to my interpreter and ran the following >command but the thing bombed: > >./bin/withlist -a -r identify_reminder_lists.py Save the above 3-line script as bin/show_reminders.py (or if you'd rather save it as bin/identify_reminder_lists.py, change the def to def identify_reminder_lists(mlist): ) Then run it via bin/withlist -a -r show_reminders (note no .py suffix) or run it with bin/withlist -a -r identify_reminder_lists if you used that name. And you do not need a shebang line in the script. bin/withlist has an appropriate shebang line and it in turn knows what to do with the -r script. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 12 06:37:12 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:37:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic subscribtions In-Reply-To: <200710111927.51206.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> References: <200710051808.05782.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> <47066B12.3080007@value.net> <200710111927.51206.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> Message-ID: <470EF9F8.5090904@value.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fr?d?ric Mantegazza wrote: > On vendredi 05 octobre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> However, it is probably simpler to creat som SQL query which will write >> a membership list to a flat file and then use Mailman's bin/sync_members >> to update the Mailman list membership. > > Using sync_members on a file containing names and addresses, I get : > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/sbin/sync_members", line 286, in ? > main() > File "/usr/sbin/sync_members", line 259, in main > s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') > UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe9 in position 3: > ordinal not in range(128) > > Is this script able to handle non-ascii chars? There is a problem with the script, however at the point of the above error, the user had already been added and it is only in formatting the name and address for printing in the 'Added :' message that the error occurs. I think you can simply change line 289 of sync_members to s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)) to avoid this problem. Please try that and report. - -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFHDvn4VVuXXpU7hpMRAhzqAJ9pzcirMqo9A5gEzJc2NHMmzwpuDACg0a0O 1mj4dm99LvV1+CEHAhFjTrw= =xT+V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 12 07:34:05 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:34:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject *to* non-subscriber In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John W. Baxter wrote: >On 10/11/07 2:33 PM, "glen martin" wrote: > >> I run a private list where the list-members have decided they don't want >> non-subscribers on the threads at all. But occasionally one will forget >> and cross-post. I'd like to bounce subscriber messages where a >> non-subscriber is anywhere on the receiver list. Is there anything like >> this currently available or contemplated? > >It can't be fully done because of Bcc. (Except in a very specific scenario >which likely isn't achievable.) > >It could be done with respect to To: and Cc:, but that might well just give >a false sense of privateness. John makes good points. To answer your original question, this would have to be done with a custom handler . There are no plans for anything more direct in the future. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org Fri Oct 12 07:39:05 2007 From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:39:05 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic subscribtions In-Reply-To: <470EF9F8.5090904@value.net> References: <200710051808.05782.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> <200710111927.51206.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> <470EF9F8.5090904@value.net> Message-ID: <200710120739.06321.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org> On vendredi 12 octobre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Fr?d?ric Mantegazza wrote: > > Using sync_members on a file containing names and addresses, I get : > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/sbin/sync_members", line 286, in ? > > main() > > File "/usr/sbin/sync_members", line 259, in main > > s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') > > UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe9 in position > > 3: ordinal not in range(128) > > > > Is this script able to handle non-ascii chars? > > There is a problem with the script, however at the point of the above > error, the user had already been added and it is only in formatting the > name and address for printing in the 'Added :' message that the error > occurs. > > I think you can simply change line 289 of sync_members to > > s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)) > > to avoid this problem. Please try that and report. Yes, it works. There are 2 lines with this call; I also had to change the first one to make it work. Thanks. -- Fr?d?ric http://www.gbiloba.org From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 12 08:02:39 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:02:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Stuck in Mail Queue In-Reply-To: <597280.61986.qm@web55114.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David Boothe wrote: >Hey guys I am running MailMan version 2.1.9.cp2 on a RHEL 4 box with cPanel 11. One of my cleints has a list with about 10,000 subscribers. It is set up as a news list (only the owner sends mail oue to the subscribers) that gets an email sent about 3-4 times a year. I have noticed that when the owner sends out an email, several emaisl get 'stuck' in the mail queue with about 500 recipients per mail. I have nothing set on the server to limit any user in the amount of mail they can send. The mail was sent out 2 days ago and stil about 19 emails with up to 500 recipients are in the queue. I have noticed that among the recipients are addresses that have already received the mailing from the owner. I guess I have a few questions... > > 1) Is this 'normal' activity? For mailman to batch the sends in chunks of 500, yes. For the MTA (I'm assuming these are queued in the MTA) maybe? > 2) Why does the mail stay in the queue even for recipients that have already received the mail? Because not all recipients of that message (chunk) have been delivered or rejected. > 3) Is there a setting within MailMan that can control this? You can control the size of the chunks with SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in mm_cfg.py. > 4) Any suggestions based on the described activity that will help the lists run better? I suspect there are one or more addresses in each chunk that are 'delayed' because the MTA that serves the recipient domain is off line, unreachable or non-existent or returns some 'retryable' error. These 'delays' don't turn into 'failures' for a period of time configured in your MTA (usually 5 days). Suggestion 1) set automated bounce processing appropriately for this list's post frequency so bouncing addresses get removed. In particular, set bounce_score_threshold to 1 or maybe to 2 if bounce_info_stale_after is set to say 100 or more (so you can get a second bounce before the first one is stale). Note that if you set the threshold to 1 now, cron/disabled will disable all members who have ever bounced the next time it runs. Suggestion 2) set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 (or maybe 5) in mm_cfg.py. This will reduce the probability that a chunk contains an address whose delivery will be delayed, thuse reducing the number of chunks (messages) hanging around for days in the MTA. You could also consider setting SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 or better still set VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL =1 so each recipient will be sent an individual message (with a VERP like envelope in the latter case for better bounce detection), and only those messages for users with delayed delivery will remain in the queue (but this may be a significant number). Suggestion 3) be sure to set bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner to yes to send unrecognized bounces to the list owner so the owner can manually remove them if necessary. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From scry_mr at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 12 14:31:07 2007 From: scry_mr at yahoo.ca (Juan Miscaro) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] identifying and disabling monthly reminders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <639142.28266.qm@web57615.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- Mark Sapiro wrote: > Juan Miscaro wrote: > > > >--- Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> > >> You could use bin/withlist -a with a small script along the lines > of > >> > >> def show_reminders(mlist): > >> if mlist.send_reminders: > >> print mlist.real_name > >> > >> See bin/withlist -h for more information. > > > > > >Thank you but I need more guidance. I figure that is a python > snippet. > > I put a shebang line pointing to my interpreter and ran the > following > >command but the thing bombed: > > > >./bin/withlist -a -r identify_reminder_lists.py > > > Save the above 3-line script as bin/show_reminders.py (or if you'd > rather save it as bin/identify_reminder_lists.py, change the def to > > def identify_reminder_lists(mlist): > ) > > Then run it via > > bin/withlist -a -r show_reminders The thing is still not working. $ ./withlist -a -r show_reminders Importing show_reminders... Traceback (most recent call last): File "./withlist", line 297, in ? main() File "./withlist", line 266, in main mod = __import__(module) ImportError: No module named show_reminders $ cat show_reminders def show_reminders(mlist): if mlist.send_reminders: print mlist.real_name $ ls -l /usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/show_reminders -rwxr-xr-x 1 _mailman _mailman 86B Oct 12 08:15 /usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/show_reminders // juan Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Oct 12 14:38:12 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:38:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available Mlist properties Message-ID: I'm not sure if this should be here or dev, but I'll start here. This is something I've been thinking about for a while and finally decided to ask Quite often solutions to problems posted here involve using code like: def show_reminders(mlist): if mlist.send_reminders: with the wth_list script. Is there a list of properties for the mlist object anywhere? If not, where in the code do I need to go hunting for this info? Thanks, -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org Fri Oct 12 15:25:36 2007 From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric?= Mantegazza) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:25:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] identifying and disabling monthly reminders In-Reply-To: <639142.28266.qm@web57615.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Le 12/10/2007, "Juan Miscaro" a ?crit: >The thing is still not working. > >$ ./withlist -a -r show_reminders >Importing show_reminders... >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./withlist", line 297, in ? > main() > File "./withlist", line 266, in main > mod = __import__(module) >ImportError: No module named show_reminders > >$ cat show_reminders >def show_reminders(mlist): > if mlist.send_reminders: > print mlist.real_name > >$ ls -l /usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/show_reminders >-rwxr-xr-x 1 _mailman _mailman 86B Oct 12 08:15 >/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/show_reminders Your file must end with .py -- Fr?d?ric From scry_mr at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 12 16:07:47 2007 From: scry_mr at yahoo.ca (Juan Miscaro) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] identifying and disabling monthly reminders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <426180.99093.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- Fr?d?ric Mantegazza wrote: > > Le 12/10/2007, "Juan Miscaro" a ?crit: > > >The thing is still not working. > > > >$ ./withlist -a -r show_reminders > >Importing show_reminders... > >Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "./withlist", line 297, in ? > > main() > > File "./withlist", line 266, in main > > mod = __import__(module) > >ImportError: No module named show_reminders > > > >$ cat show_reminders > >def show_reminders(mlist): > > if mlist.send_reminders: > > print mlist.real_name > > > >$ ls -l /usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/show_reminders > >-rwxr-xr-x 1 _mailman _mailman 86B Oct 12 08:15 > >/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/show_reminders > > Your file must end with .py m(_ _)m Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From mbomgardner at kletc.org Fri Oct 12 17:02:02 2007 From: mbomgardner at kletc.org (Mark Bomgardner) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:02:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invitation Time Limit Message-ID: <011201c80ce0$d8705ff0$89511fd0$@org> I am looking for the setting to change the confirmation period on an invitation request. The default is 3-days, but I need to extend that to 5 days. markb From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 12 18:13:44 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:13:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invitation Time Limit In-Reply-To: <011201c80ce0$d8705ff0$89511fd0$@org> Message-ID: Mark Bomgardner wrote: >I am looking for the setting to change the confirmation period on an >invitation request. The default is 3-days, but I need to extend that to 5 >days. Set PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE = days(5) in mm_cfg.py. This affects all pending requests waiting confirmation, not just invitatations. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lists at locutory.org Fri Oct 12 18:07:11 2007 From: lists at locutory.org (glen martin) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:07:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject *to* non-subscriber In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470F9BAF.7080105@locutory.org> I take John's points well, and indeed had thought of those myself. In the case of this particular list, I think the small noncompliance is being done by accident rather than connivance, so bouncing the posts would seem to be a useful way to reinforce subscriber training. :) Custom handlers look interesting, thanks for the pointer. Having read the page it seems that to use my custom handler for just one list, in all methods I have to hard-code a new handler chain in entirety. Do I correctly understand that one can't add the new handler as a delta for a single list (eg somehow akin to GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert described for global list changes)? Goal being to permit further global changes to be reflected in the single list as well without having to remember to update the chain on the single list. BTW, I didn't say it before, but I've been very impressed with Mailman. Very easy to set up, has run flawlessly for my subscribers. All the efforts of the contributers are much appreciated. glen Mark Sapiro wrote: > John W. Baxter wrote: > > >> On 10/11/07 2:33 PM, "glen martin" wrote: >> >> >>> I run a private list where the list-members have decided they don't want >>> non-subscribers on the threads at all. But occasionally one will forget >>> and cross-post. I'd like to bounce subscriber messages where a >>> non-subscriber is anywhere on the receiver list. Is there anything like >>> this currently available or contemplated? >>> >> It can't be fully done because of Bcc. (Except in a very specific scenario >> which likely isn't achievable.) >> >> It could be done with respect to To: and Cc:, but that might well just give >> a false sense of privateness. >> > > > John makes good points. > > To answer your original question, this would have to be done with a > custom handler > . > There are no plans for anything more direct in the future. > > From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 12 18:53:57 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:53:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available Mlist properties In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bryan Carbonnell wrote: >I'm not sure if this should be here or dev, but I'll start here. > >This is something I've been thinking about for a while and finally >decided to ask > >Quite often solutions to problems posted here involve using code like: > >def show_reminders(mlist): > if mlist.send_reminders: > >with the wth_list script. > >Is there a list of properties for the mlist object anywhere? If not, >where in the code do I need to go hunting for this info? Most of them (but not all) are visible and documented in the web admin interface. To see the full list do bin/dumpdb lists//config.pck (it's best to do this on a list with few members). If you see an attribute in this output, and don't understand what it is, start with grep -r attribute_name Mailman/* -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Oct 12 18:59:10 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:59:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available Mlist properties In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/12/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > > >I'm not sure if this should be here or dev, but I'll start here. > > > >This is something I've been thinking about for a while and finally > >decided to ask > > > >Quite often solutions to problems posted here involve using code like: > > > >def show_reminders(mlist): > > if mlist.send_reminders: > > > >with the wth_list script. > > > >Is there a list of properties for the mlist object anywhere? If not, > >where in the code do I need to go hunting for this info? > > Most of them (but not all) are visible and documented in the web admin > interface. > > To see the full list do > > bin/dumpdb lists//config.pck > > (it's best to do this on a list with few members). > > If you see an attribute in this output, and don't understand what it > is, start with > > grep -r attribute_name Mailman/* Thanks Mark. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From mrsun2001 at yahoo.de Fri Oct 12 19:13:14 2007 From: mrsun2001 at yahoo.de (Ralf Wiegand) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:13:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nested mailman mailing list Message-ID: <709054.26875.qm@web25512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello - Is it possible to create mailing lists within other mailing list? It is safe to do so? What are the dangers? What is a umbrella mailing? Thank You Ralf Wiegand ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 12 19:21:07 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:21:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.9 on Solaris 8: /bin/sh: /bin/update:cannot execute In-Reply-To: <13148194.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: gregben wrote: > >I'm having trouble with > ># make install > >The last few lines of output are: > >Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ... >Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ... >Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... >/bin/sh: bin/update: cannot execute >make: *** [update] Error 1 ># > >The file bin/update contained: > >#! @PYTHON@ > >in the shebang line. Something is wrong here, because make install should be running bin/update from the installation ($prefix) directory, and all the scripts in that directory should have been installed from configure's build/ directory and should have had the @PYTHON@ in the shebang line changed to an actual path by configure. >I changed this to: > >#!/usr/local/bin/python > >and this allows me to execute /bin/update from the command line >but the make install still fails so I must barking up the wrong tree. /bin/update ? or do you mean $prefix/bin/update ? bin/update is the very last thing run by make install, so if make install fails in running bin/update, and you fix the problem and run bin/update successfully, you are done. How does make install fail the second time? The same way? There are 3 bin/update files (if you run configure and make correctly) 1) bin/update in the unpack-configure directory with a #! @PTHHON@ shebang 2) build/bin/update in the unpack-configure directory created by configure with a proper path in the shebang 3) bin/update in the installation ($prefix) directory installed from 2) by make install. It is 3) that is run at the end of make install. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From japruim at raoset.com Fri Oct 12 19:34:40 2007 From: japruim at raoset.com (Jason Pruim) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:34:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains Message-ID: <5C95BD34-DE3C-4FF2-B0C2-0496A775B76D@raoset.com> Hi everyone, Just a quick question... To support virtual domains in mailman do you need to have virtual domain support in your mail server? I think I know the answer, but after some googling, I couldn't find a definitive answer I could understand :) -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave Holland, MI, 49424 www.raoset.com japruim at raoset.com From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 12 20:22:30 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:22:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject *to* non-subscriber In-Reply-To: <470F9BAF.7080105@locutory.org> Message-ID: glen martin wrote: > >Custom handlers look interesting, thanks for the pointer. Having read >the page it seems that to use my custom handler for just one list, in >all methods I have to hard-code a new handler chain in entirety. Do I >correctly understand that one can't add the new handler as a delta for a >single list (eg somehow akin to GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert described for >global list changes)? Goal being to permit further global changes to be >reflected in the single list as well without having to remember to >update the chain on the single list. It's slightly tricky because you have to do the insert into a copy of GLOBAL_PIPELINE, but I have updated the FAQ to show how to do it. Thanks for suggesting this. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 12 20:26:10 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:26:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nested mailman mailing list In-Reply-To: <709054.26875.qm@web25512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ralf Wiegand wrote: >Hello - Is it possible to create mailing lists within other mailing list? It is safe to do so? >What are the dangers? What is a umbrella mailing? This should all be answered at . If you still have questions after reading that, let us know. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 12 20:35:58 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:35:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains In-Reply-To: <5C95BD34-DE3C-4FF2-B0C2-0496A775B76D@raoset.com> Message-ID: Jason Pruim wrote: > >Just a quick question... To support virtual domains in mailman do you >need to have virtual domain support in your mail server? I think I >know the answer, but after some googling, I couldn't find a >definitive answer I could understand :) If you have list1 at domain1 and list2 at domain2, your mail server has to be able to deliver mail to both addresses to Mailman. Whether or not this requires "virtual domain support" in your mail server, depends on things like whether or not there is non-list mail for domain1 and domain2 and how that mail needs to be handled. This is really an MTA specific question, but I imagine in a simple case, an MTA could use some kind of domain-independent aliases to deliver to Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From BMackenzie at alum.mit.edu Sat Oct 13 04:19:39 2007 From: BMackenzie at alum.mit.edu (Bruce Mackenzie gm) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:19:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] shutting a list (down and moving to a new server) Message-ID: >>? Can anyone give me any advice on how to close down a list? >> The list is moving to a new server, >> unsubscribing everyone ... emergency moderation for the switchover My suggestions, to "Transfer from an Old List to a New List": Configure the New list: With only yourself & your alternate e-mail address as subscribers. Test it, by subscribing and unsubscribing and sending messages, especially to get these the way you want them: new-subscriber welcome message Header added to mail sent to regular list members Footer added to mail sent to regular list members Put a reminder to use the New list address in the Footer Header added to every digest Footer added to every digest Try out "%(real_name)s" and "@%(host_name)s" This is also a good time to let an inexperienced assistant try things out. Also, Copy the archive over to the new list, if you wish and are able to (I may write up instructions.) Copy the subscriber addresses to the New list, as follows: Save the old subscriber list, if the Old list is a mailman list, this method preserves the people's names, other methods do not, send e-mail: To: ListName-request at YourDomain.com Body: Who [password] Check for 'Hidden Members' , save their addresses, [You can see if you have any on the '/listinfo/ListName' page [not sure the easiest way to get the Hidden members addresses (?) ] Turn "General / Emergency Moderation" of the New list to "Yes" Subscribe everyone to the new list, using the "Membership Management.../Mass Subscription" page Set "Send welcome messages to new subscribees?" to "No" Forward incoming mail for the Old list, to the New list, as follows: If you have access, somehow disable the old list and replace its address with a forwarding address to the New list address If you are running Unix/Linux, this may be the 'aliases' file Or, [I may get complaints for this? it is one step toward making a mail loop] Add the New list address as a subscriber of the Old List Remove all old subscribers from the Old List, Except, leave the New list address, and leave yourself to check for incoming mail during the transition Test the forwarding from the Old list address to the New list, Check that the message was distributed to you, and got in the archive. (plan ahead with an interesting message, not just an empty 'test message') Send a "Welcome & Change of List Host" message (written ahead of time), include: "We are please to announce our new host service? "please use this New address: NewListName at NewDomain.com" "any questions to: : NewListName-Owner at NewDomain.com" "We are now using Mailman, to change the settings (digest, ..) visit: ?. " Keep "Emergency Moderation" turned on for a few days, to trap administrative requests to change an address, etc. After the subscribers are used to the new list, and you have built up some messages in the archive, send an occasional administrative reminder, such as: (Be sure "General / Send monthly password reminders?" is set to Yes, ) And send a message on the last day of a month saying: "You will receive a password reminder, tonight ? Save the password and use it to browse the archived messages at: http://www. [Domain.com] /mailman/private/ListName/ You may also use that password to change your address? You may also use that password to choose to receive multiple messages in a Single 'digest' message, at: http:// [Domain.com] /mailman/options/ ListName After a month, search your mail for anyone still sending mail via the Old list address. Remind them privately to use the New list address After several months, remove the forwarding from the Old list address to the New list, to reduce any spam to the list or list owner - - - - Send comments & corrections CC: BMackenzie at alum.mit.edu , as I may not see them in my digest. Does someone want to proof read this and make it into an FAQ? - Bruce Mackenzie > From: kate griffiths > Subject: [Mailman-Users] shutting a list > > Dear Mailman users Can anyone give me any advice on how to close down a list? The list is moving to a new server, but I can't find any info in the FAQs about shutting a list down and the helpful stages to follow. It may be as simple as unsubscribing everyone, but any pointers anyone has would be much appreciated. Plus, if I switch the system to emergency moderation for the switchover process just to avoid any admin messages going to the list when they should come to the admin address, does that have any side effects? Thanks in advance for your help, Kate. From henrik.bechmann at sympatico.ca Sat Oct 13 04:35:40 2007 From: henrik.bechmann at sympatico.ca (Henrik) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:35:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] body of email being stripped out into attachment by hotmail and other receiving servers Message-ID: All, I have a number of email lists in a farm of web servers, and I find the following: hotmail users (and toronto.ca users, our city government), find that emails they get from our gnu mailman lists that have the body stripped out and moved to an attachment. This causes confusion, and in one case even the attachement is reported as being blank. (The header and footer appear in the main body of the email). Is there some way to prevent this from happening? Thanks, - Henrik -- Henrik Bechmann www.bechmann.ca Webmaster, www.dufferinpark.ca From msapiro at value.net Sat Oct 13 05:39:03 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:39:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] body of email being stripped out into attachment byhotmail and other receiving servers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Henrik wrote: > >hotmail users (and toronto.ca users, our city government), find that >emails they get from our gnu mailman lists that have the body stripped >out and moved to an attachment. This causes confusion, and in one case >even the attachement is reported as being blank. (The header and footer >appear in the main body of the email). Is there some way to prevent this >from happening? Don't add msg_header or msg_footer to list mail. Alternatively, convince your users to post only text/plain messages or use content filtering to remove any non text/plain parts. See for some discussion of the issue. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net Sat Oct 13 06:58:36 2007 From: mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net (Mikael Hansen) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:58:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] body of email being stripped out into attachment byhotmail and other receiving servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <097B16EA-8763-427D-B02F-9C55B44613E2@comcast.net> Warning: I am not touching on attachments anywhere in the following. On Oct 12, 2007, at 20:39, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Henrik wrote: >> >> hotmail users ... > convince your users to post only text/plain messages or > use content filtering to remove any non text/plain parts. I have recently corresponded extensively with a user, who is a member on one of my lists and who is also a member on a list on a mailman server run by someone I know. As the user swears by her Hotmail account for all her list mail and as Live Hotmail cannot be configured not to be a multipart/alternative (maybe), she cannot be convinced to post only text/plain messages. Oddly enough, that is not the problem. The problem is that to recipients the lines in the quoted lines in the text/plain version of her multipart/alternative run together lacking line feeds and that the mailman admin uses content filtering to remove any non text/plain parts. She is in other words stuck between a rock and a hard place. This appears not to be a mailman issue per se. It happens when I send her an email directly and she responds to that email directly. I have suggested to her to move away from Hotmail rather than asking the mailman to allow HTML on his list. But she is hesitant of course, she would like to go back to how things used to be. It started happening only four months ago, maybe in moving from Classic Hotmail to Live Hotmail, I don't know. In short, mailman works as advertised - somewhat frustrating, I must admit. Mikael From blaine at portalparts.com Sun Oct 14 00:13:02 2007 From: blaine at portalparts.com (Blaine Lang) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:13:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on customizing user pages In-Reply-To: <471132C9.6030109@portalparts.com> References: <471132C9.6030109@portalparts.com> Message-ID: <471142EE.7000708@portalparts.com> Using Mailman v2.1.9 on a hosted service provider, I have read a number of FAQ pages and list archives and I would like to further modify a number of pages the user interacts with. We have created the inital signup page on our own website and upon posting the request to mailman, the page the user see's can be customized completely which is good. The user then receives an email to confirm the subscription and it does not appear, the contents of this email or the page they are sent to can be modified by the list admin. Is this true - how can I modify these 2 items (confirm email text and confirm linked page)? After the user does confirm via the confirm page and clicks on the submit to confirm button, they are directed to another page - the subscription confirmation page. I do not see where this page can be modified. I'd like to simplify the options and information presented to the user and personalize the page to reflect a clients site look and feel. Regards, Blaine From msapiro at value.net Sun Oct 14 03:06:01 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:06:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on customizing user pages In-Reply-To: <471142EE.7000708@portalparts.com> Message-ID: Blaine Lang wrote: >Using Mailman v2.1.9 on a hosted service provider, I have read a number >of FAQ pages and list archives and I would like to further modify a >number of pages the user interacts with. > >We have created the inital signup page on our own website and upon >posting the request to mailman, the page the user see's can be >customized completely which is good. The user then receives an email to >confirm the subscription and it does not appear, the contents of this >email or the page they are sent to can be modified by the list admin. Is >this true - how can I modify these 2 items (confirm email text and >confirm linked page)? The confirmation email sent to the user is made from the verify.txt template which can only be edited with shell access to the host server per The content of the confirmation linged page is built on the fly by the Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py module. Changes, other than colors which can be set globally in mm_cfg.py, can only be made by editing the Python code of this module. >After the user does confirm via the confirm page and clicks on the >submit to confirm button, they are directed to another page - the >subscription confirmation page. I do not see where this page can be >modified. This too is built on the fly by the Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py module. >I'd like to simplify the options and information presented to the user >and personalize the page to reflect a clients site look and feel. Other than changing the verify.txt template which can be done on a per list or per domain basis, the changes would be global and would be unlikely to be considered by a hosting provider. One way around this might be to create your own CGI confirmation page and convince the host to make a list or domain specific verify.txt template which would link to your page and include the cookie in the data passed to the CGI. Your page could then either send a confirmation email to Mailman or post to Mailman's confirm page and capture and massage its response. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sun Oct 14 03:30:54 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:30:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] body of email being stripped out intoattachment byhotmail and other receiving servers In-Reply-To: <097B16EA-8763-427D-B02F-9C55B44613E2@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mikael Hansen wrote: > >I have recently corresponded extensively with a user, who is a member >on one of my lists and who is also a member on a list on a mailman >server run by someone I know. As the user swears by her Hotmail >account for all her list mail and as Live Hotmail cannot be >configured not to be a multipart/alternative (maybe), she cannot be >convinced to post only text/plain messages. Have you looked at ? It may well not be applicable to Live Hotmail, but it's probably worth a look. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From blaine at portalparts.com Sun Oct 14 18:59:14 2007 From: blaine at portalparts.com (Blaine Lang) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:59:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Un-Subscribe page and process Message-ID: <47124AE2.4060103@portalparts.com> My host provider is not going to allow me to modify some of the templates that are not currently exposed to the list managers. Having said that, I'd like to explore one more possible change to see if this is possible. I have created a form on our site to post an un-subscribe request to the list where we just prompt for the email address. This works except the form upon posting returns to the user options page - {site_url}/mailman/options/{list_name}/{email_address} Is there an option to change this redirect URL so that it would return to another URL - preferably on on our site? Blaine From hansen at rc.org Mon Oct 15 10:12:21 2007 From: hansen at rc.org (Allan Hansen) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 01:12:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: You may also want to change add_members as follows: from mlist.setDeliveryStatus(member, ... to mlist.setDeliveryStatus(userdesc.address, ... in case you want to use that, too. (I had to make that change) Allan >On vendredi 12 octobre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> Fr?d?ric Mantegazza wrote: > >> > Using sync_members on a file containing names and addresses, I get : >> > >> > Traceback (most recent call last): >> > File "/usr/sbin/sync_members", line 286, in ? >> > main() >> > File "/usr/sbin/sync_members", line 259, in main >> > s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') >> > UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe9 in position >> > 3: ordinal not in range(128) >> > >> > Is this script able to handle non-ascii chars? >> >> There is a problem with the script, however at the point of the above >> error, the user had already been added and it is only in formatting the >> name and address for printing in the 'Added :' message that the error >> occurs. >> >> I think you can simply change line 289 of sync_members to >> >> s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)) >> >> to avoid this problem. Please try that and report. > >Yes, it works. There are 2 lines with this call; I also had to change the >first one to make it work. > >Thanks. > >-- > Fr?d?ric > > http://www.gbiloba.org -- Allan Hansen P.O Box 2423 Cypress, CA 90630 U.S.A. hansen at rc.org +1-714-875-8870 From msapiro at value.net Tue Oct 16 02:45:03 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:45:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Allan Hansen wrote: >You may also want to change add_members as follows: > >from > > >mlist.setDeliveryStatus(member, ... > >to > >mlist.setDeliveryStatus(userdesc.address, ... > >in case you want to use that, too. (I had to make that change) What Mailman version is this? No Mailman 2.1.x as distributed by the Mailman project calls the setDeliveryStatus list method. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From rick at niof.net Tue Oct 16 03:58:07 2007 From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:58:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To and announcement lists Message-ID: <20071016015807.GS14985@niof.net> I have had several mailing lists setup for quite some time. I've just tried to setup an announcement only list by setting all members to moderated. I also set the Reply-To to be the person who would be the person to answer any questions resulting from the announcement. Evidently this means that messages to the list are *not* sent to the moderator and the only thing that happens is that the sender gets a response saying to mail to the Reply-To address for inclusion in the next announcement. Why? This doesn't make sense to me. If all posts are *moderated* then the moderator should get the post to approve or deny. N'est-ce pas? -- "Individuality is to be preserved and respected everywhere, as the root of everything good." -- Jean Paul Richter, 1803 Rick Pasotto rick at niof.net http://www.niof.net From michaelmcandrew at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 13:33:54 2007 From: michaelmcandrew at gmail.com (Michael McAndrew) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:33:54 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderation bit silently turns off on some lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b58d51b0710160433j7d3f1626p14e05f963018534d@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for this advice, Very helpful - thought I'd write back to update you on what I did ... I incorperated your ideas, especially as regards trying and excepting. I refined my original idea a bit more too ... I decided the safest way to do things was to initially set everyone as moderated, and then only go through those that are admins and set their mod bits to off. so here is the script. actually, one more small question - the line that prints the error: should it have >> after the print command? Is that a part of the python language I'm not familiar with, or is it something an email client stuck in ?!?! Thanks a lot, michael """ def wcpupdate(mlist): global wcp_adminsdata global wcp_listsdata # lock the list if not mlist.Locked(): mlist.Lock() # set all people to moderated for wcp_listsline in wcp_listsdata: if mlist.internal_name()==wcp_listsline: for member in mlist.getMembers(): mlist.setMemberOption(member, mm_cfg.Moderate, mm_cfg.Yes) # set administrators to unmoderated for wcp_adminsline in wcp_adminsdata: try: if mlist.internal_name()==wcp_adminsline[0]: mlist.setMemberOption(wcp_adminsline[1].strip(), mm_cfg.Moderate, mm_cfg.No) except NotAMemberError: print >> sys.stderr, '%s: not in %s' % (wcp_adminsline[1], wcp_adminsline[0]) mlist.Save() # unlock the list mlist.Unlock() """ On 9/16/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > >Presumably this is a withlist script. I would make the following > >change, but it may not help: > > > >@@ -1,3 +1,4 @@ > >+import sys > > from Mailman.Errors import NotAMemberError > > from Mailman import mm_cfg > > from os.path import isfile > >@@ -7,7 +8,11 @@ > > if isfile('vawupdate/scripts/vaw_wcp.txt'): > > whoCanPostListsVAWFile = open('vawupdate/scripts/vaw_wcp.txt', 'r') > > for line in whoCanPostListsVAWFile: > >- whoCanPostListsData.append(line.strip().split("/")) > >+ entry = line.strip().split("/") > >+ if len(entry) <> 3 or entry[2] not in ('0', '1'): > >+ print >> sys.stderr, 'Skipping invalid entry: %s' % str(entry) > >+ continue > >+ whoCanPostListsData.append(entry) > > > > def wcpupdate(mlist): > > global whoCanPostListsData > > > > Looking more closely, I would do the following (I was initially thrown > off by the import of NotAMemberError - I didn't notice you didn't use > it) > > @@ -1,3 +1,4 @@ > +import sys > from Mailman.Errors import NotAMemberError > from Mailman import mm_cfg > from os.path import isfile > @@ -7,7 +8,11 @@ > if isfile('vawupdate/scripts/vaw_wcp.txt'): > whoCanPostListsVAWFile = open('vawupdate/scripts/vaw_wcp.txt', 'r') > for line in whoCanPostListsVAWFile: > - whoCanPostListsData.append(line.strip().split("/")) > + entry = line.strip().split("/") > + if len(entry) <> 3 or entry[2] not in ('0', '1'): > + print >> sys.stderr, 'Skipping invalid entry: %s' % str(entry) > + continue > + whoCanPostListsData.append(entry) > > def wcpupdate(mlist): > global whoCanPostListsData > @@ -15,10 +20,16 @@ > mlist.Lock() > for whoCanPostLine in whoCanPostListsData: > if mlist.internal_name()==whoCanPostLine[0]: > - if whoCanPostLine[2]=='0': > - mlist.setMemberOption(whoCanPostLine[1].strip(), > mm_cfg.Moderate, mm_cfg.No) > - else: > - mlist.setMemberOption(whoCanPostLine[1].strip(), > mm_cfg.Moderate, mm_cfg.Yes) > - print whoCanPostLine[1], ' set' > + try: > + if whoCanPostLine[2]=='0': > + mlist.setMemberOption(whoCanPostLine[1].strip(), > + mm_cfg.Moderate, mm_cfg.No) > + else: > + mlist.setMemberOption(whoCanPostLine[1].strip(), > + mm_cfg.Moderate, mm_cfg.Yes) > + print whoCanPostLine[1], ' set' > + except NotAMemberError: > + print >> sys.stderr, '%s: not in %s' % (whoCanPostLine[1], > + whoCanPostLine[0]) > mlist.Save() > mlist.Unlock() > > -- > Mark Sapiro < msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > From mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net Tue Oct 16 16:04:49 2007 From: mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net (Mikael Hansen) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:04:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderation Message-ID: <7200D465-ACA3-4EA8-AD44-9980A13A27BF@comcast.net> I was reminded of the following from the "Mailing list Configuration Help, moderator Option" page: "The list moderators ... are allowed to tend to pending administration requests, including approving or rejecting held subscription requests, and disposing of held postings." Is this moderation though or list administration? Stuff like max message body and dealing with non-subscriber addresses does not spell moderation to me (although it is nice to approve such in some cases). Conventional moderation may well be turning on moderation for a given subscriber, but I am not interested in this to the extent that I don't know whether it is possible in Mailman. The moderation that appeals to me is for instance putting a given subscriber on leave for a given number of days to cool off (without manually having to keep track of when it expires). Useful would also be assigning a given number of messages that subscribers can post in 24 hour period (all or given subscribers). If the max is reached, the moderator is sent a request to approve or deny. Would this one day be possible? Mikael From mk at epasella.com Tue Oct 16 17:12:13 2007 From: mk at epasella.com (Mervyn Kahn) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:12:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: RE: UNSUBSCRIBE REQUEST additional information requested Message-ID: Dear Mailman User Team, I have something weird going on and I cannot figure out what has gone wrong. I set up a mini list of email addresses to notify some addresses that they had provided an incorrect unsubscribe address. The unsubscribe requests come to a different email program. After sending I then unsubscribed the entire list who had been notified and removed them completely from mailman. Then I started receiving bounce messages. Now I find that it is bouncing and sending the message to users who are not on the list. Please see the examples which I have included as information to try and assist to resolve this so that it does not happen again. Thank you. Mervyn Kahn _____ From: xaosclub [mailto:xaosclub at apeiron.co.za] Sent: 16 October 2007 08:34 AM To: epasella-bounces at epasella.biz Subject: RE: RE: UNSUBSCRIBE REQUEST additional information requested I am now being spammed by your unsubscribe list!!!! Please get your act together and clean up your database!! Please remove manie at relink.co.za and manie at apeiron.co.za from your database immediately!! _____ From: epasella-bounces at epasella.biz [mailto:epasella-bounces at epasella.biz] On Behalf Of Lyndall Sloane Sent: 15 October 2007 02:06 PM To: manie at apeiron.co.za Cc: epasella Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: UNSUBSCRIBE REQUEST additional information requested I have 3 email address: lyndall at tasteholdings.co.za lyndall at maxis.co.za lyndal at scootersjhb.co.za Please unsubscribe all of them. Thanks _____ From: epasella-bounces at epasella.biz [mailto:epasella-bounces at epasella.biz] On Behalf Of Teamepasella Sent: 15 October 2007 08:02 AM To: Lyndall Sloane Cc: epasella Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE REQUEST additional information requested 15 October 2007 Dear Recipient, This email address which you have requested to be unsubscribed is not in our mailing list. Please let me have the correct email address at which you are receiving our Newsletter in order to unsubscribe that specific email address. As soon as I receive the correct email address I will ensure that it is immediately unsubscribed. Thank you. Mervyn Kahn From msapiro at value.net Tue Oct 16 17:44:38 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:44:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To and announcement lists In-Reply-To: <20071016015807.GS14985@niof.net> Message-ID: Rick Pasotto wrote: >I have had several mailing lists setup for quite some time. I've just >tried to setup an announcement only list by setting all members to >moderated. I also set the Reply-To to be the person who would be the >person to answer any questions resulting from the announcement. >Evidently this means that messages to the list are *not* sent to the >moderator and the only thing that happens is that the sender gets a >response saying to mail to the Reply-To address for inclusion in the >next announcement. No. The settings 'everyone moderated' and 'reply to address' are not what's causing this. What causes it is you have set member_moderated_action to Reject, so posts from a moderated member are rejected with the member_moderated_notice you've specified. >Why? This doesn't make sense to me. If all posts are *moderated* then >the moderator should get the post to approve or deny. N'est-ce pas? If this is the behavior you want, set member_moderated_action to Hold. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Oct 16 17:58:11 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:58:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderation bit silently turns off on some lists In-Reply-To: <4b58d51b0710160433j7d3f1626p14e05f963018534d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Michael McAndrew wrote: > >Very helpful - thought I'd write back to update you on what I did ... Thanks for the report. >actually, one more small question - the line that >prints the error: should it have >> after the print command? Is that a part >of the python language I'm not familiar with, or is it something an email >client stuck in ?!?! The '>>' is part of the print command. it is used to print to an open file descriptor other than sys.stdout. I.e., print 'some text' and print >> sys.stdout, 'some text' are equivalent, and you can print to any 'object' that has a write() method with print >> object, 'some text' In this case, the construct print >> sys.stderr, 'message text' is used to send the error message to stderr rather than stdout. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Oct 16 18:16:41 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:16:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderation In-Reply-To: <7200D465-ACA3-4EA8-AD44-9980A13A27BF@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mikael Hansen wrote: >I was reminded of the following from the "Mailing list Configuration >Help, >moderator Option" page: > >"The list moderators ... are allowed to tend to pending >administration requests, including approving or rejecting held >subscription requests, and disposing of held postings." > >Is this moderation though or list administration? Stuff like max >message body and dealing with non-subscriber addresses does not spell >moderation to me (although it is nice to approve such in some cases). See and for information about what roles/capabilities are given to 'admins' and 'moderators' in Mailman. >Conventional moderation may well be turning on moderation for a given >subscriber, but I am not interested in this to the extent that I >don't know whether it is possible in Mailman. Yes, it is possible. See settings under Privacy options...->Sender filters and the 'mod' column in Membership Management...->Membership List. >The moderation that appeals to me is for instance putting a given >subscriber on leave for a given number of days to cool off (without >manually having to keep track of when it expires). > >Useful would also be assigning a given number of messages that >subscribers can post in 24 hour period (all or given subscribers). If >the max is reached, the moderator is sent a request to approve or deny. > >Would this one day be possible? You could submit a feature request (see and ), but the best way to get something like this into the code base is to implement it yourself (following the style suggestions at ) and submit it as a patch. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Oct 16 18:30:31 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:30:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: RE: UNSUBSCRIBE REQUEST additional informationrequested In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mervyn Kahn wrote: > >I have something weird going on and I cannot figure out what has gone wrong. Nor can I really, from the information provided, but here are some hints. >I set up a mini list of email addresses to notify some addresses that they >had provided an incorrect unsubscribe address. >The unsubscribe requests come to a different email program. > >After sending I then unsubscribed the entire list who had been notified and >removed them completely from mailman. > >Then I started receiving bounce messages. You are receiving 'unrecognized bounces' because the 'sender' of messages from a mailman list is the listname-bounces at ... address and the complainer's mail client or the complainer directly is replying to this address. These are not actual bounces. >Now I find that it is bouncing and sending the message to users who are not >on the list. Use the bin/find_member tool to verify that an address is not on any list. E.g., in this case bin/find_member lyndal will find all members of any lists that have 'lyndal' in the address. Also, set VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 in mm_cfg.py so that messages to the user are sent by 'listname-bounces+user=example.com at ... which will help the recipient (and you) identify the actual subscribed address. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Oct 16 18:59:46 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:59:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Un-Subscribe page and process In-Reply-To: <47124AE2.4060103@portalparts.com> Message-ID: Blaine Lang wrote: > >I have created a form on our site to post an un-subscribe request to the >list where we just prompt for the email address. This works except the >form upon posting returns to the user options page - >{site_url}/mailman/options/{list_name}/{email_address} > >Is there an option to change this redirect URL so that it would return >to another URL - preferably on on our site? No. The only way I know to accomplish what you want is to have your page be a PHP or CGI process which posts the unsubscribe to Mailman using wget, direct HTTP communication or whatever would allow the process to receive the returned output and present an appropriate page to the user. See some of the results of for more information. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jkomala at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 11:19:11 2007 From: jkomala at gmail.com (Jeffry Komala) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:19:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mail from list Message-ID: <4715d38d.1ed7720a.3b91.ffffb586@mx.google.com> Help! I have a main list which has about 630+ members. It has been working for a few years. Last week it stopped working. Troubleshooting I have done: 1. I sent an email to a test list which only has 2 members and it went through. 2. I set the trouble list to moderated and sent a test message. I could see my test message in the pending moderator page. However, when I approved it, I did not get it in my email. 3. I checked /var/spool/mailman/qfiles and it's empty 4. I checked /var/spool/mqueue and it is also empty. 5. qfiles/shunt has a lot of messages. Now I remember that the very same issue happened before and I did a google and found somebody with a solution. Stupid me I didn't write down or bookmark that page. Can somebody please help me? Thanks in advance, Jeff From guilherme.funchal at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 15:00:01 2007 From: guilherme.funchal at gmail.com (Guilherme Funchal) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:00:01 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] substitution variables Message-ID: What substitution variables are allowed in headers or footers (msg_header or msg_footer) ? How to use this variables ? -- "Tristeza n?o tem fim...Felicidade sim." ============================== Guilherme Funchal da Silva .`. From msapiro at value.net Wed Oct 17 17:15:03 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:15:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mail from list In-Reply-To: <4715d38d.1ed7720a.3b91.ffffb586@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Jeffry Komala wrote: > >1. I sent an email to a test list which only has 2 members and it went >through. > >2. I set the trouble list to moderated and sent a test message. I could see >my test message in the pending moderator page. However, when I approved it, >I did not get it in my email. > >3. I checked /var/spool/mailman/qfiles and it's empty > >4. I checked /var/spool/mqueue and it is also empty. > >5. qfiles/shunt has a lot of messages. 3. and 5. seem contradictory unless Mailman's real qfiles/ directory is not the one in /var/spool/mailman. In any case, the messages are being shunted because of some list specific processing error (occurring after the moderation hold). You have to look in Mailman's 'error' log and find what the error is. You should find an error message with a traceback for each shunted message. If you post one or more of those, we can help determine the problem. Once the underlying problem is resolved, you can run bin/unshunt to reprocess the shunted messages. Also see . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Oct 17 17:36:53 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:36:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] substitution variables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guilherme Funchal wrote: >What substitution variables are allowed in headers or footers (msg_header >or msg_footer) ? If you go to the web admin Non-digest options page and follow the (Details for msg_header) or (Details for msg_footer) link, the answer is there. If you still have specific questions after reading this, post them to the list and we'll try to help. Note that additional substitutions are available if the list is personalized, i.e. OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION is set to Yes in mm_cfg.py and Non-digest options->presonalize is set to Yes or Full. In this case, the additional substitutions witt be listed in the 'Details' for msg_header, msg_footer and personalize >How to use this variables ? Usage is %(variable-name)s -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From guilherme.funchal at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 17:56:25 2007 From: guilherme.funchal at gmail.com (Guilherme Funchal) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:56:25 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] from in body of message Message-ID: Hello! I need including from address in body of message...Somebody work in this functionality or know how do this ? regards -- "Tristeza n?o tem fim...Felicidade sim." ============================== Guilherme Funchal da Silva .`. LPI Level 2 Certification From msapiro at value.net Wed Oct 17 18:33:53 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:33:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] from in body of message In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guilherme Funchal wrote: > >I need including from address in body of message...Somebody work in this >functionality or know how do this ? You could just try to convince your users to sign their posts ;-) To do this within Mailman, you could modify Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py to include an additional header/footer substitution for the From: address, assuming including the address in msg_header or msg_footer would be satisfactory. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From rustyw007 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 17 20:46:15 2007 From: rustyw007 at yahoo.com (Rusty Wilson) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding users with nomail bit set Message-ID: <246123.63051.qm@web84111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have several hundred users I need to add to a new list, but I need them added such that they wont get email from the list. Is there a way to add members to a newly created list such that their "nomail" bit is set (i.e. i do not want them to get email from the list)? I've looked at the "add_members" command in /bin and there does not seem to be a parameter for this option. I've also checked the FAQ and searchable archives, but was not able to find a solution. all suggestions appreciated. --rusty From rustyw007 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 17 21:34:48 2007 From: rustyw007 at yahoo.com (Rusty Wilson) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding users with nomail bit set Message-ID: <839565.17844.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> p.s. because this is a brand new list, a workable alternative for me is to globally set the nomail bit for all users in the list (after an import). Is this possible and/or a better way? -rusty ----- Original Message ---- From: Rusty Wilson To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:46:15 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding users with nomail bit set I have several hundred users I need to add to a new list, but I need them added such that they wont get email from the list. Is there a way to add members to a newly created list such that their "nomail" bit is set (i.e. i do not want them to get email from the list)? I've looked at the "add_members" command in /bin and there does not seem to be a parameter for this option. I've also checked the FAQ and searchable archives, but was not able to find a solution. all suggestions appreciated. --rusty From jkomala at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 02:28:34 2007 From: jkomala at gmail.com (Jeffry Komala) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:28:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mail from list In-Reply-To: References: <4715d38d.1ed7720a.3b91.ffffb586@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <925537880710171728s7c29e5fm16ce81b68208e6d4@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mark, Thanks for the response. I went through the troubleshooting page last night. There is no mailmanctl but my other test lists are working. System is an old RH9. The same problem happened a few months ago. I believe the cause of the problem is either a malformed or spam email. Unfortunately I don't remember how I fixed it last time. I should have written it down. It may also have something to do with the archive. Perhaps, it could not write to archive file? I turned off archiving but it didn't help. At this point I'm not too worry about the email already sent and stuck in shunt. Can I just delete them all? Will this help? What could be other location of qfiles? Thanks, Jeff On 10/17/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Jeffry Komala wrote: > > > >1. I sent an email to a test list which only has 2 members and it went > >through. > > > >2. I set the trouble list to moderated and sent a test message. I could > see > >my test message in the pending moderator page. However, when I approved > it, > >I did not get it in my email. > > > >3. I checked /var/spool/mailman/qfiles and it's empty > > > >4. I checked /var/spool/mqueue and it is also empty. > > > >5. qfiles/shunt has a lot of messages. > > > 3. and 5. seem contradictory unless Mailman's real qfiles/ directory is > not the one in /var/spool/mailman. > > In any case, the messages are being shunted because of some list > specific processing error (occurring after the moderation hold). You > have to look in Mailman's 'error' log and find what the error is. You > should find an error message with a traceback for each shunted > message. If you post one or more of those, we can help determine the > problem. Once the underlying problem is resolved, you can run > bin/unshunt to reprocess the shunted messages. > > Also see > . > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 18 03:01:00 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:01:00 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mail from list In-Reply-To: <925537880710171728s7c29e5fm16ce81b68208e6d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jeffry Komala wrote: > >Thanks for the response. >I went through the troubleshooting page last night. >There is no mailmanctl but my other test lists are working. >System is an old RH9. And what is the Mailman version? If it is 2.0.x, there is no mailmanctl or qrunners, but we already know that is not the issue because of the shunted messages. >The same problem happened a few months ago. I believe the cause of the >problem is either a malformed or spam email. >Unfortunately I don't remember how I fixed it last time. I should have >written it down. Possibly a malformed or spam email in the list's lists//digest.mbox file. >It may also have something to do with the archive. Perhaps, it could not >write to archive file? I turned off archiving but it didn't help. Probably not as archiving is separate from delivery. >At this point I'm not too worry about the email already sent and stuck in >shunt. Can I just delete them all? >Will this help? You can delete them all, but it won't help. They are a symptom of the problem, not the cause. >What could be other location of qfiles? I don't know. You are the one that said "I checked /var/spool/mailman/qfiles and it's empty" and then said "qfiles/shunt has a lot of messages." or did you just mean that /var/spool/mailman/qfiles/ contained only subdirectories? As I said in my original reply, >> In any case, the messages are being shunted because of some list >> specific processing error (occurring after the moderation hold). You >> have to look in Mailman's 'error' log and find what the error is. You >> should find an error message with a traceback for each shunted >> message. If you post one or more of those, we can help determine the >> problem. So, what's in the error log? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 18 03:41:55 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:41:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding users with nomail bit set In-Reply-To: <839565.17844.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rusty Wilson wrote: >p.s. because this is a brand new list, a workable alternative for me is to globally set the nomail bit for all users in the list (after an import). Is this possible and/or a better way? There is a withlist script that can do this at (mirrored at . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From donovan at dmpnet.org Thu Oct 18 10:34:02 2007 From: donovan at dmpnet.org (Donovan R. Palmer) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:34:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken mailman Message-ID: <001801c81161$a41d9080$6543a8c0@DonovansLaptop> Oh great and wise jedi-nights of mailman... I request your assistance. My install of mailman has broke and I'm a bit lost on this one. When starting up the mailman service, I get the following error: mazar:/usr/lib/mailman # service mailman start Starting mailman (Warning: the Apache2 webinterface for Mailman has not been activated!) done Doing some digging around, when I attempt to apply a template to my new list, using this command: bin/config_list -i data/sitelist.cfg allstaff I receive the following error File "bin/config_list", line 362, in main() File "bin/config_list", line 357, in main do_input(listname, infile, checkonly, verbose) File "bin/config_list", line 263, in do_input execfile(infile, globals) IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'data/sitelist.cfg' Any suggestions on what could be the problem and how to debug this? I have dug around a fair bit this morning and don't have a clue as to what the problem is or why it even broke in the first place. Many thanks in advance. Donovan From carbonnb at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 13:31:17 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 07:31:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming List Message-ID: Good day folks, I would like some opinions. I am planning on renaming one of my existing lists and I'm trying to decide if I am better off creating a new list with the new name and migrating the users to it, or following the steps in the FAQ (4.70) for renaming the list. I do have full root access to do this, so that's not an issue. I'm just looking for pros and cons to help me decide. I'm leaning towards creating a new list and migrating the users. Thanks for your input. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From rustyw007 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 18 13:53:20 2007 From: rustyw007 at yahoo.com (Rusty Wilson) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding users with nomail bit set Message-ID: <796685.67281.qm@web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark, Just what the doctor ordered - thanks! (seriously, i googled at least 20 different ways and never saw this come up - thanks for the help!). --Rusty ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Sapiro To: Rusty Wilson ; mailman-users at python.org Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:41:55 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] adding users with nomail bit set There is a withlist script that can do this at (mirrored at . From justin.ehrlichman at onlinestores.com Thu Oct 18 14:18:28 2007 From: justin.ehrlichman at onlinestores.com (Justin Ehrlichman) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:18:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing owner notification of post requests from non-members and automatically discarding bad e-mail addies Message-ID: <227301c81180$fd8afe90$ad0ba8c0@OLSOnlinedm.com> Hello All, Pardon the noob, but I run a list with about 20,000 members that sends coupons and discounts for our frequent customers. First off I receive notifications about local system accounts like root keeps sending e-mail to that list. Is their an option to turn those off? Also is their a way to automatically discard bad e-mail so my mail que doesn't get flooded? Thanks Justin Ehrlichman Computer Technician Online Stores Inc. 724-925-5600 ext 610 Justin.ehrlichman at onlinestores.com www.onlinestores.com From henrik.bechmann at sympatico.ca Thu Oct 18 15:23:09 2007 From: henrik.bechmann at sympatico.ca (Henrik) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:23:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web host has hourly mailout limits Message-ID: All, In spite of previous assurances to the contrary, my web host (webserve.ca) has just told me that they have a maximum 500 per hour mail generation rate, and that there's "nothing they can do" to change that (which I presume is rubbish). I have questioned them about alternatives, and they have become resolutely non-responsive. I host several email lists on my server, one of which is a legitimate farmers' market email list that is almost at 500. Is there a way to get GNU mailman to batch or parcel mailouts to comply with this policy? I ran into this problem before, and it seemed that Mailman simply gave up on the whole mailout, archived the mail, and moved on. GNU Mailman in the webserve.ca plan that I have is managed by Cpanel. Thanks, - Henrik -- Henrik Bechmann www.bechmann.ca Webmaster, www.dufferinpark.ca From bluria at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 15:59:39 2007 From: bluria at gmail.com (Brian Luria) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:59:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web host has hourly mailout limits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Henrik, Ran into this problem recently with my own host. Mark and I have discussed. (bluehost.com) Assuming you're in the same situation I am in - which is likely. My domain is hosted on a shared server - in other words the company has a server with something like 300 to 400 domains hosted on it. On that server, there is a single mailman installation and we all share that installation. For this reason, sometimes I'll send a message and it doesn't go out for 15 minutes or longer. This is presumably because it is sitting in que waiting for anyone else on the servers messages to go out. So, many of the code specific recommendations made on this forum don't apply to us because we dont truly have access to the mailman install. As far as the 500 limit, I am in a similar situation - fortunately my lists arent quite as large as yours. The limit is NOT a mailman limitation, but, something ... i.e. a 'policy' from the hosting company - perhaps a SPAM control measure, etc. Could it be increased? probably - I would try asking for higher level tech support and ultimately an admin. There are other hosting recommendations: However many of these are a bit more expensive that a shared solution such as I use ($100/yr vs. $600/yr), but, you do get what you pay for. On 10/18/07, Henrik wrote: > > All, > > In spite of previous assurances to the contrary, my web host > (webserve.ca) has just told me that they have a maximum 500 per hour > mail generation rate, and that there's "nothing they can do" to change > that (which I presume is rubbish). I have questioned them about > alternatives, and they have become resolutely non-responsive. I host > several email lists on my server, one of which is a legitimate farmers' > market email list that is almost at 500. > > Is there a way to get GNU mailman to batch or parcel mailouts to comply > with this policy? I ran into this problem before, and it seemed that > Mailman simply gave up on the whole mailout, archived the mail, and > moved on. GNU Mailman in the webserve.ca plan that I have is managed by > Cpanel. > > Thanks, > > - Henrik > > -- > > Henrik Bechmann > www.bechmann.ca > Webmaster, www.dufferinpark.ca > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bluria%40gmail.com > > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp > > -- Brian J. Luria DVM, DACVIM Florida Veterinary Specialists 3000 Busch Lake Blvd Tampa, FL 33614 Phone: (813) 933-8944 Fax: (813) 936-9595 http://www.fvs.com From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 18 16:24:46 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 07:24:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken mailman In-Reply-To: <001801c81161$a41d9080$6543a8c0@DonovansLaptop> Message-ID: Donovan R. Palmer wrote: > >When starting up the mailman service, I get the following error: > >mazar:/usr/lib/mailman # service mailman start >Starting mailman (Warning: the Apache2 webinterface for Mailman has not been activated!) done This appears to be specific to your Mailman package, whatever that is. The Mailman project distribution issues no such message, but all it seems to be saying is your web server isn't running when you start Mailman. This should not be a problem for Mailman except that you can't use the web interface until you start the web server. >Doing some digging around, when I attempt to apply a template to my new list, using this command: > >bin/config_list -i data/sitelist.cfg allstaff The data/sitelist.cfg list configuration is intended to be used only for the site ('mailman') list. For any other list, you ar probably better off with the normal defaults. >I receive the following error > > File "bin/config_list", line 362, in > main() > File "bin/config_list", line 357, in main > do_input(listname, infile, checkonly, verbose) > File "bin/config_list", line 263, in do_input > execfile(infile, globals) >IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'data/sitelist.cfg' > >Any suggestions on what could be the problem and how to debug this? I have dug around a fair bit this morning and don't have a clue as to what the problem is or why it even broke in the first place. This error occurs because there is no data/sitelist.cfg file. Either it has been removed or was never included in your package or possibly mailman's data/ directory is not in the same parent directory (/usr/lib/mailman ?) as Mailman's bin/ directory. As far as I can tell from what you've provided, Mailman is not broken. The problems are only that Apache wasn't running when you started Mailman, and a file that you don't need anyway may be missing. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From someone03 at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 16:52:37 2007 From: someone03 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?ayten_=C3=B6zt=C3=BCrk?=) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:52:37 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exchange side of mailman? Message-ID: hi We use Exchange Server.We set up fedora 7 and mailman on another computer.wewant to keep using exchange and use mailman true exchange. they told me to make a peer to peer connection between exchange machine and linux machine then i just need a shorth configuration on exchange. is there any one who configured exchange for mailman? thank you.. From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 18 16:55:54 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 07:55:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web host has hourly mailout limits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Henrik wrote: > >Is there a way to get GNU mailman to batch or parcel mailouts to comply >with this policy? I ran into this problem before, and it seemed that >Mailman simply gave up on the whole mailout, archived the mail, and >moved on. GNU Mailman in the webserve.ca plan that I have is managed by >Cpanel. The short answer is No, particularly in a hosted situation. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 18 17:36:47 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:36:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing owner notification of post requests fromnon-members and automatically discarding bad e-mail addies In-Reply-To: <227301c81180$fd8afe90$ad0ba8c0@OLSOnlinedm.com> Message-ID: Justin Ehrlichman wrote: > >Pardon the noob, but I run a list with about 20,000 members that sends >coupons and discounts for our frequent customers. First off I receive >notifications about local system accounts like root keeps sending e-mail to >that list. Is their an option to turn those off? I'm not understanding your questions. Why is root sending mail to your list? When this happens, what is the notice you receive. If it is a notice that a non-member post is held, there are various options. You can set Privacy options...->Sender filters->generic_nonmember_action to Reject or Discard to avoid holding the messages, and/or you can set General Options->admin_immed_notify to No to get only a daily summary of held messages. You can also set General Options->max_days_to_hold to a non-zero value to automatically discard held messages after that many days. > Also is their a way to >automatically discard bad e-mail so my mail que doesn't get flooded? If you mean 'incoming mail' see above. If you mean outgoing mail, see Mailman's Bounce processing settings. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brian at emwd.com Thu Oct 18 15:28:16 2007 From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:28:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web host has hourly mailout limits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Henrik: My suggestion is to move your lists to another provider. We do not impose hourly limits on our mailman clients. You can find out more about our mailman service at http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html. Kind regards, Brian Carpenter -------------------------------------- EMWD - Executive Officer -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Henrik Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:23 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web host has hourly mailout limits All, In spite of previous assurances to the contrary, my web host (webserve.ca) has just told me that they have a maximum 500 per hour mail generation rate, and that there's "nothing they can do" to change that (which I presume is rubbish). I have questioned them about alternatives, and they have become resolutely non-responsive. I host several email lists on my server, one of which is a legitimate farmers' market email list that is almost at 500. Is there a way to get GNU mailman to batch or parcel mailouts to comply with this policy? I ran into this problem before, and it seemed that Mailman simply gave up on the whole mailout, archived the mail, and moved on. GNU Mailman in the webserve.ca plan that I have is managed by Cpanel. Thanks, - Henrik -- Henrik Bechmann www.bechmann.ca Webmaster, www.dufferinpark.ca ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brian%40emwd.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp From luo_hei at yahoo.es Thu Oct 18 18:20:41 2007 From: luo_hei at yahoo.es (Luo Hei) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:20:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem under gentoo Message-ID: <471787D9.3070005@yahoo.es> After reinstalling my system (migrated from Centos to Gentoo 2007.0) I made a big mistake. I overwrote gentoo /etc/passwd file with my old one to restore my user list. After that I tried to install mailman and found alot of problem. First, mailman ebuild has a fixed number for mail group (280) instead of detecting it. I had to manually change group numbers to match it and reinstall postfix. After that, the build installed correctly, but doesnt works. When I use the start script simply fails without leaving any message. I run mailman and it starts ok, but when a mail is sent to any mailing list I get this error mail: Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post red-admin". Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "postfix", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "nobody". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "postfix", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'. How can I fix this? -- http://dsgp.blogspot.com | Linux, programaci?n, juegos Have no place I can be since I found Serenity But you can?t take the sky from me ______________________________________________ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y m?viles desde 1 c?ntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com From donovan at dmpnet.org Thu Oct 18 18:36:17 2007 From: donovan at dmpnet.org (Donovan R. Palmer) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:36:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken mailman References: Message-ID: <000f01c811a5$028fbe70$6543a8c0@DonovansLaptop> Hey Mark - your jedi instinct was on track.... >>When starting up the mailman service, I get the following error: >> >>mazar:/usr/lib/mailman # service mailman start >>Starting mailman (Warning: the Apache2 webinterface for Mailman has not >>been activated!) >>done > > > This appears to be specific to your Mailman package, whatever that is. > The Mailman project distribution issues no such message, but all it > seems to be saying is your web server isn't running when you start > Mailman. This should not be a problem for Mailman except that you > can't use the web interface until you start the web server. Yes, I have learned a heck of a lot about Mailman today. I hate the pain when something breaks, but in trying to fix it, you generally learn a lot. What I found is that an RPM package I had installed dropped the apache server flag "MAILMAN" I still don' t know why either, but it is working again. >>bin/config_list -i data/sitelist.cfg allstaff > > The data/sitelist.cfg list configuration is intended to be used only > for the site ('mailman') list. For any other list, you ar probably > better off with the normal defaults. That was a typo... I was actually trying to configure the mailman list. I saved my mailman files and decided to do a full reinstall. >>I receive the following error >> >> File "bin/config_list", line 362, in >> main() >> File "bin/config_list", line 357, in main >> do_input(listname, infile, checkonly, verbose) >> File "bin/config_list", line 263, in do_input >> execfile(infile, globals) >>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'data/sitelist.cfg' >> >>Any suggestions on what could be the problem and how to debug this? I have >>dug around a fair bit this morning and don't have a clue as to what the >>problem is or why it even broke in the first place. > > > This error occurs because there is no data/sitelist.cfg file. Either it > has been removed or was never included in your package or possibly > mailman's data/ directory is not in the same parent directory > (/usr/lib/mailman ?) as Mailman's bin/ directory. > > As far as I can tell from what you've provided, Mailman is not broken. > The problems are only that Apache wasn't running when you started > Mailman, and a file that you don't need anyway may be missing. The data/sitelist.cfg is there, which is what puzzles me. You were correct again though, even with this error, I have been able to get things up and running again. Thanks a lot for your help! Donovan From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 18 19:36:46 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:36:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem under gentoo In-Reply-To: <471787D9.3070005@yahoo.es> Message-ID: Luo Hei wrote: >When I use the start script simply fails >without leaving any message. What start script? >I run mailman and it starts ok, but when a >mail is sent to any mailing list I get this error mail: >Command died with status 2: >"/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post red-admin". Command output: Group >mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as >group "postfix", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as >group "nobody". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group >"postfix", or re-run configure, providing the command line option >`--with-mail-gid=nobody'. > >How can I fix this? See . You have two choices to fix this just as the message says. If you configured and installed Mailman from source, you can change the group that Mailman expects with the configure command line option --with-mail-gid=nobody. If this is a gentoo package, you may or may not be able change the group the wrapper expects. Whether you can and how is a gentoo question. Your other choice is the make Postfix invoke the wrapper as group 'postfix'. You do this by making the owner of the aliases* files in which postfix finds the Mailman aliases be a user in the 'postfix' group. Note that the owner has to be in the 'postfix' group; it is not sufficient to make the group of the files 'postfix'. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 18 19:44:16 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:44:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > >I'm just looking for pros and cons to help me decide. I'm leaning >towards creating a new list and migrating the users. If all you want to do is change the name of the list, I would always do this by renaming (or copying) the lists/oldname directory as that preserves the list settings and the member options which isn't done if you create a new list and add the old members. On the other hand, if you have some reason for wanting to start fresh with default list settings and default member options, then creating a new list might be preferable. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From adamsca at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 22:18:06 2007 From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:18:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] override list owner ability to approve messages over the max_message_size? Message-ID: <27572d930710181318r8e86e70s6087a97a1a938397@mail.gmail.com> Is there a way to for a system override of the ability of list owners to approve messages that are larger than what they have set in max_message_size? We have a limit at the MTA level, as we need to accomodate non-Mailman mail on the same server. List owners are sending large attachments, then just going to the admin and approving them. -- Christopher Adams adamsca at gmail.com From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 19 00:12:06 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:12:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] override list owner ability to approve messagesover the max_message_size? In-Reply-To: <27572d930710181318r8e86e70s6087a97a1a938397@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Christopher Adams wrote: >Is there a way to for a system override of the ability of list owners >to approve messages that are larger than what they have set in >max_message_size? This would require changing the code in Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py. If you want to do that, you'd find the code section if bodylen/1024.0 > mlist.max_message_size: hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size)) # no return and if you want to just discard the messages, change it to if bodylen/1024.0 > mlist.max_message_size: raise Errors.DiscardMessage # no return and if you want to reject the message, change it to something like if bodylen/1024.0 > mlist.max_message_size: raise Errors.RejectMessage, Utils.wrap( MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size).reason_notice()) # no return Note that the MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size).reason_notice()) above just creates the standard Message body is too big: bytes with a limit of KB message, but you could provide any message you want. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From qa.oscpro at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 08:47:30 2007 From: qa.oscpro at gmail.com (QA Engg) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:17:30 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman Message-ID: <55654bdd0710182347h1721d084see28faa5b5932c79@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, >> Download mailman 2.1.9 >> Install it on my linux based system >> It automatically takes Apache as web server and Qmail as Email server >> And trying to run mailman but show the problem with /usr/local/mailman directory i.s Permission problem >> when I tired to cd /usr/local/mailman directory it is showing error that Directory does not exist please Help he regarding that Regards User From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 11:51:58 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:51:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/18/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > > > >I'm just looking for pros and cons to help me decide. I'm leaning > >towards creating a new list and migrating the users. > > > If all you want to do is change the name of the list, I would always do > this by renaming (or copying) the lists/oldname directory as that > preserves the list settings and the member options which isn't done if > you create a new list and add the old members. Ah I hadn't considered the members settings. Good thing I asked. It looks like I'll be renaming the old list. Thanks for this, and all the help you provide on the list Mark. I've learned a ton from reading your posts. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From michiko at sharonartstudio.org Fri Oct 19 22:34:45 2007 From: michiko at sharonartstudio.org (Michiko Thompson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:34:45 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announcement list only Message-ID: <000e01c8128f$7dbcd610$0b01a8c0@Main> Hi, I wanted to know how to set up a list without making it a discussion list, keeping it purely and announcement only type of list. Thanks, Michiko Thompson Friends of Sharon Art Studio 415.753.7005 phone & fax 1032 Irving St. #520, San Francisco, CA 94122 From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 19 22:42:54 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:42:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman In-Reply-To: <55654bdd0710182347h1721d084see28faa5b5932c79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: QA Engg wrote: >>> And trying to run mailman but show the problem with > /usr/local/mailman directory i.s Permission problem Have you tried running Mailman's bin/check_perms . >>> when I tired to cd /usr/local/mailman directory it is showing error that >Directory does not exist Did you specify some other 'prefix' option to configure? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From rustyw007 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 19 23:13:22 2007 From: rustyw007 at yahoo.com (Rusty Wilson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] announcement list only Message-ID: <664760.22234.qm@web84105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Michiko, This is covered in detail in the faq: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Simply search on "announce" and scroll down to section 3.11 --Rusty ----- Original Message ---- From: Michiko Thompson To: Mailman-Users at python.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:34:45 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] announcement list only Hi, I wanted to know how to set up a list without making it a discussion list, keeping it purely and announcement only type of list. Thanks, Michiko Thompson Friends of Sharon Art Studio 415.753.7005 phone & fax 1032 Irving St. #520, San Francisco, CA 94122 ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rustyw007%40yahoo.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp From qa.oscpro at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 11:27:17 2007 From: qa.oscpro at gmail.com (QA Engg) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:57:17 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman In-Reply-To: References: <55654bdd0710182347h1721d084see28faa5b5932c79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <55654bdd0710200227o73571ec2jacc8a892a59f41b2@mail.gmail.com> Hi, 2.1 Set up your system 1. Add the group and User *groupadd mailman :-* groupadd: group mailman exists *useradd -c''GNU Mailman'' -s /no/shell -d /no/home -g mailman mailman :- * no error but shows details about the command Useradd 2. Create the istallation Directory 2.2 Create the Installatio Directory 1. You cannot install Mailman on a filesystem that is mounted with the nosuid option not gettting the meaning of set to group 2. cd $prefix 3. chgrp mailman . 4. chmod a+rx,g+ws . -- Sucessfully run 3 Build and install mailman 3.1 Run Configure *cd mailman-* *./configure* Shows errors 1) checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... configure: error: 2) ***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured properly! 3) ***** Directory must be owned by group mailman: /usr/local/mailman *sudo make install* 4 Check Your Installlatio 4.1 1. *bin/check_perms -f * bash: bin/check_perms: @PYTHON@: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 2. *cd mailman/archives * No such directory 3. *chown Apache 2 private* chown: `Apache': invalid user 4. *chmod o-x private* chmod: cannot access `private': No such file or directory 5 Set up your web server ScriptAlias /mailman/ $prefix/cgi-bin/ OR Exec /mailman/* $prefix/cgi-bin/* ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mark Sapiro Date: Oct 20, 2007 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman To: QA Engg , Mailman-Users at python.org QA Engg wrote: >>> And trying to run mailman but show the problem with > /usr/local/mailman directory i.s Permission problem Have you tried running Mailman's bin/check_perms . >>> when I tired to cd /usr/local/mailman directory it is showing error that >Directory does not exist Did you specify some other 'prefix' option to configure? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From qa.oscpro at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 11:28:36 2007 From: qa.oscpro at gmail.com (QA Engg) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:58:36 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: : Problem Running mailman In-Reply-To: <55654bdd0710200227o73571ec2jacc8a892a59f41b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <55654bdd0710182347h1721d084see28faa5b5932c79@mail.gmail.com> <55654bdd0710200227o73571ec2jacc8a892a59f41b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <55654bdd0710200228n178fe2c8h78043c55d0d25222@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: QA Engg Date: Oct 20, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman To: Mailman-Users at python.org Cc: msapiro at value.ne Hi, 2.1 Set up your system 1. Add the group and User *groupadd mailman :-* groupadd: group mailman exists *useradd -c''GNU Mailman'' -s /no/shell -d /no/home -g mailman mailman :- * no error but shows details about the command Useradd 2. Create the istallation Directory 2.2 Create the Installatio Directory 1. You cannot install Mailman on a filesystem that is mounted with the nosuid option not gettting the meaning of set to group 2. cd $prefix 3. chgrp mailman . 4. chmod a+rx,g+ws . -- Sucessfully run 3 Build and install mailman 3.1 Run Configure *cd mailman-* *./configure* Shows errors 1) checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... configure: error: 2) ***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured properly! 3) ***** Directory must be owned by group mailman: /usr/local/mailman *sudo make install* 4 Check Your Installlatio 4.1 1. *bin/check_perms -f * bash: bin/check_perms: @PYTHON@: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 2. *cd mailman/archives * No such directory 3. *chown Apache 2 private* chown: `Apache': invalid user 4. *chmod o-x private* chmod: cannot access `private': No such file or directory 5 Set up your web server ScriptAlias /mailman/ $prefix/cgi-bin/ OR Exec /mailman/* $prefix/cgi-bin/* ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mark Sapiro Date: Oct 20, 2007 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman To: QA Engg , Mailman-Users at python.org QA Engg wrote: >>> And trying to run mailman but show the problem with > /usr/local/mailman directory i.s Permission problem Have you tried running Mailman's bin/check_perms . >>> when I tired to cd /usr/local/mailman directory it is showing error that >Directory does not exist Did you specify some other 'prefix' option to configure? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mangoo at wpkg.org Sat Oct 20 12:36:18 2007 From: mangoo at wpkg.org (Tomasz Chmielewski) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:36:18 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA? Message-ID: <4719DA22.8070008@wpkg.org> Is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA? I imagine mailman could easily send emails through an external MTA, and receive email using externam pop3 or imap account - however, I didn't find many hints about such setup in the fine documentation. Any clues? -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://blog.wpkg.org From dap1 at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 20 16:39:11 2007 From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:39:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA? In-Reply-To: <4719DA22.8070008@wpkg.org> References: <4719DA22.8070008@wpkg.org> Message-ID: <20071020144528.8A2DC1E400D@bag.python.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 06:36 AM 10/20/2007, you wrote: >Is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA? > >I imagine mailman could easily send emails through an external MTA, and >receive email using externam pop3 or imap account - however, I didn't >find many hints about such setup in the fine documentation. > >Any clues? I'm not exactly sure what you are asking for but I have a Mandrake system on my DSL connected line without a static IP address. I have a couple of mailing lists running and use 'fetchmail'. I have mail boxes set up with my ISP and run 'fetchmail' via 'cron' to get the incoming messages. My SMTP sever is configured to use my ISPs mail server for the outgoing messages. If this is the kind of thing you are looking for let me know and we can discuss it further. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBRxoTD/34lmKmdrVUEQLX+ACeP8z/0SPS3mozbIS2GkKhYERiSD8An2AY D3re3u6cgNnnFVAK3xujtqsA =XgTZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From msapiro at value.net Sat Oct 20 18:12:56 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:12:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman In-Reply-To: <55654bdd0710200227o73571ec2jacc8a892a59f41b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: QA Engg wrote: > > 2.2 Create the Installatio Directory > 1. > > You cannot install Mailman on a filesystem that is mounted with > the nosuid option not gettting the meaning of set to group > 2. > > cd $prefix > > 3. > > chgrp mailman . > > 4. > > chmod a+rx,g+ws . > > -- Sucessfully run Was the above 'cd $prefix' actually 'cd /usr/local/mailman'? Because the next step is telling you that /usr/local/mailman is not group mailman and/or not g+ws. >3 Build and install mailman > >3.1 Run Configure > >*cd mailman-* > >*./configure* This isn't the problem here, but you may wish to specify some options to configure such as --with-cgi-gid=, --with-mail-gid=, --with-mailhost= and --with-urlhost= >Shows errors 1) checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... configure: >error: > >2) ***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured >properly! > >3) ***** Directory must be owned by group mailman: /usr/local/mailman Indicating that 'chgrp mailman .' above was not run in the /usr/local/mailman directory. You must fix the above and rerun configure. Then you can run 'make install' >*sudo make install* > > 4 Check Your Installlatio > >4.1 > > 1. > > *bin/check_perms -f * bash: bin/check_perms: @PYTHON@: bad > interpreter: No such file or directory > 2. You have to run /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms which won't exist until you get the proper ownership and permissions on /usr/local/mailman and successfully run configure and make install. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dennisthetiger at chez-vrolet.net Sat Oct 20 17:39:30 2007 From: dennisthetiger at chez-vrolet.net (Dennis Carr) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 08:39:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA? In-Reply-To: <4719DA22.8070008@wpkg.org> References: <4719DA22.8070008@wpkg.org> Message-ID: <20071020083930.6da48d76.dennisthetiger@chez-vrolet.net> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:36:18 +0200 Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: > Is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA? > > I imagine mailman could easily send emails through an external MTA, > and receive email using externam pop3 or imap account - however, I > didn't find many hints about such setup in the fine documentation. Not as near as I can tell (I could be wrong), but you can easily set up, say, Postfix to just route everything through your ISP and not receive mail. -Dennis Carr From msapiro at value.net Sat Oct 20 20:07:41 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:07:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a hostwithout a MTA? In-Reply-To: <20071020083930.6da48d76.dennisthetiger@chez-vrolet.net> Message-ID: Dennis Carr wrote: >On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:36:18 +0200 >Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: > >> Is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA? >> >> I imagine mailman could easily send emails through an external MTA, >> and receive email using externam pop3 or imap account - however, I >> didn't find many hints about such setup in the fine documentation. > >Not as near as I can tell (I could be wrong), but you can easily set up, >say, Postfix to just route everything through your ISP and not receive >mail. Actually, it is possible to run Mailman without a local MTA. Outgoing mail is easy. Just set SMTPHOST and, if necessary, SMTPPORT in mm_cfg.py to the appropriate values for the server you want to use. If the server requires authentication and possibly TLS, see for a patch. Incoming mail is harder, but it can be done using something like fetchmail to retrieve mail from a remote server. It can then be delivered to Mailman via someththing like procmail or by using Mailman's Maildir delivery. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mangoo at wpkg.org Sat Oct 20 20:32:53 2007 From: mangoo at wpkg.org (Tomasz Chmielewski) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:32:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA? In-Reply-To: <20071020144029.1C03394DF@postfix1.syneticon.net> References: <4719DA22.8070008@wpkg.org> <20071020144029.1C03394DF@postfix1.syneticon.net> Message-ID: <471A49D5.1050807@wpkg.org> Dennis Putnam schrieb: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > At 06:36 AM 10/20/2007, you wrote: >> Is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA? >> >> I imagine mailman could easily send emails through an external MTA, and >> receive email using externam pop3 or imap account - however, I didn't >> find many hints about such setup in the fine documentation. >> >> Any clues? > > I'm not exactly sure what you are asking for but I have a Mandrake > system on my DSL connected line without a static IP address. I have a > couple of mailing lists running and use 'fetchmail'. I have mail > boxes set up with my ISP and run 'fetchmail' via 'cron' to get the > incoming messages. My SMTP sever is configured to use my ISPs mail > server for the outgoing messages. > > If this is the kind of thing you are looking for let me know and we > can discuss it further. All right, I forgot about fetchmail. Was something non-standard needed to make mailman work with fetchmail/cron? -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://wpkg.org From dap1 at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 20 23:01:12 2007 From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:01:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA? In-Reply-To: <471A49D5.1050807@wpkg.org> References: <4719DA22.8070008@wpkg.org> <20071020144029.1C03394DF@postfix1.syneticon.net> <471A49D5.1050807@wpkg.org> Message-ID: <20071020210152.8F6A41E4020@bag.python.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 02:32 PM 10/20/2007, you wrote: >All right, I forgot about fetchmail. > >Was something non-standard needed to make mailman work with fetchmail/cron? > > >-- >Tomasz Chmielewski >http://wpkg.org No. It was a little tricky to set things up so my ISP would accept mail from my SMTP server. The main problem was getting it configured so my ISP could recognize it as a legitimate customer sending mail. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From alfrag at econ.soc.uoc.gr Mon Oct 22 12:17:00 2007 From: alfrag at econ.soc.uoc.gr (Alexandros G. Fragkiadakis) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:17:00 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange problem with mailman Message-ID: <471C789C.3000202@econ.soc.uoc.gr> Hi, There is a weird problem with mailman. I have a few lists that all members are moderated. When an email arrives into each list, it is held for approval. Suddenly, no messages are sent for the list administrators to approve or reject the incoming emails. Also, there are no postings in the "Tend to pending moderator requests". The problem is solved when i type /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop and then /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start Then, all requests are properly sent to the administrators. For some reason, mailman stops delivering the requests for the list administrators. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Alexandros -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 22 18:02:08 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:02:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange problem with mailman In-Reply-To: <471C789C.3000202@econ.soc.uoc.gr> Message-ID: Alexandros G. Fragkiadakis wrote: > >Suddenly, no messages are sent for the list administrators to approve or >reject the incoming emails. Also, there are no postings in the "Tend to >pending moderator requests". > >The problem is solved when i type /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop > >and then > > /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start > >Then, all requests are properly sent to the administrators. For some >reason, mailman stops delivering the requests for the list administrators. One or more of your qrunners is dying for some reason. Any of IncomingRunner, VirginRunner or OutgoingRunner could cause the lack of notices to the admin, but only no IncomingRunner would cause the posts to not be in the admindb interface. You have to check Mailman's 'qrunner' and 'error' logs for clues as to why the runner(s) are dying. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Scott.Mohnkern at noaa.gov Mon Oct 22 17:26:24 2007 From: Scott.Mohnkern at noaa.gov (Scott Mohnkern) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:26:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking to migrate off of Majordomo Message-ID: <471CC120.4020907@noaa.gov> Okay, that probably made someone choke. We're currently running majordomo (and have been for years) and we're looking to migrate off of majordomo, however, we need a solution which allows for non web based list management. (i.e. via email messages to the server) I'm pretty sure mailman will do this, however I can't find any documentation about how to manage this way. 1. Is it possible to run mailman without using a web based interface? 2. Is there documentation somewhere? Scott Mohnkern From dmashal at intertrust.com Mon Oct 22 18:33:27 2007 From: dmashal at intertrust.com (Dan Mashal) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:33:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator password not working? Message-ID: Hello, I created a new list using the newlist command. For some reason I had to run fix_url after creating the list. Right now it seems that the moderator password does not work for this list (I know im using the right one). Any ideas why this might happen? We are using Mailman version 2.1.1. Is there some flag you need to set for moderators to login? Thanks, Dan From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 22 19:39:25 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:39:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator password not working? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dan Mashal wrote: > >I created a new list using the newlist command. For some reason I had to >run fix_url after creating the list. In Mailman 2.1.1 (why so old?) if you just specify list_name to bin/newlist, the list will be created in the DEFAULT_URL_HOST/DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST domains. if you want these to be different you have to create list_name at url_host, specifying the web domain, not the email domain as url_host. >Right now it seems that the >moderator password does not work for this list (I know im using the >right one). Do you mean the moderator password or the list admin password? >Any ideas why this might happen? We are using Mailman version 2.1.1. Is >there some flag you need to set for moderators to login? No, but the moderator password can't log in to the admin interface, only to the admindb interface. Only the list admin or site admin password can be used to log in to the admin interface. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dmashal at intertrust.com Mon Oct 22 19:45:17 2007 From: dmashal at intertrust.com (Dan Mashal) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:45:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator password not working? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, Why so old? The system has been around since the dawn of time and hasn't been upgraded since. It's running on an old sparc with Solaris. We are going to be upgrading to the new version soon hopefully. As you know though, it's not an easy task. :) We seemed to just figure out the problem. We got the super duper mailman password confused with a list administrator password. That is, we are providing our users the list administrator/moderator passwords and we are using the super duper password to login as sysadmins. Thanks for your reply. Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:39 AM To: Dan Mashal; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator password not working? Dan Mashal wrote: > >I created a new list using the newlist command. For some reason I had to >run fix_url after creating the list. In Mailman 2.1.1 (why so old?) if you just specify list_name to bin/newlist, the list will be created in the DEFAULT_URL_HOST/DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST domains. if you want these to be different you have to create list_name at url_host, specifying the web domain, not the email domain as url_host. >Right now it seems that the >moderator password does not work for this list (I know im using the >right one). Do you mean the moderator password or the list admin password? >Any ideas why this might happen? We are using Mailman version 2.1.1. Is >there some flag you need to set for moderators to login? No, but the moderator password can't log in to the admin interface, only to the admindb interface. Only the list admin or site admin password can be used to log in to the admin interface. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 22 19:47:52 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:47:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking to migrate off of Majordomo In-Reply-To: <471CC120.4020907@noaa.gov> Message-ID: Scott Mohnkern wrote: >Okay, that probably made someone choke. We're currently running >majordomo (and have been for years) and we're looking to migrate off of >majordomo, however, we need a solution which allows for non web based >list management. (i.e. via email messages to the server) Mailman can't be administered effectively by email. It can be administered without a web server by a combination of email and command line tools, but not by email alone. List owners/moderators can approve or discard held posts and held (un)subscribe requests by email, but that's about it. Other list admin tasks require a web interface or shell access with write permission to the Mailman installation. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From anne.ramey at ncmail.net Mon Oct 22 20:37:30 2007 From: anne.ramey at ncmail.net (Anne Ramey) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:37:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing message Message-ID: <471CEDEA.8020907@ncmail.net> Have a new and different one. One of my users that has two lists, let's call them list1 and list2. If he sends a message to list1 and cc's list2, list1 never receives the message. If he sends the same message only to list1, it goes through fine. According to my exim logs, it is delivering both messages to list1: ex. 2007-10-22 08:28:48 1IjwOm-0002t6-2J <= lists.owner at addre.ss H=myhost P=esmtp S=288168 id=46C8249D004309AE at myinternalrelay T="[List1] Agenda Change Advisory Board - Oct 23,2007 3:00pm" 2007-10-22 08:28:48 1IjwOm-0002t6-2J => list1 R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport 2007-10-22 08:28:48 1IjwOm-0002t6-2J => list2 R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport 2007-10-22 08:28:48 1IjwOm-0002t6-2J Completed 2007-10-22 08:52:31 1Ijwli-0003WN-LD <= lists.owner at addre.ss H=myhost P=esmtp S=288873 id=46C8251F004335C3 at myinternalrelay T="FW: [List2] [List1] Agenda Change Advisory Board -Oct 23, 2007 3:00pm" 2007-10-22 08:52:31 1Ijwli-0003WN-LD => list1 R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport 2007-10-22 08:52:31 1Ijwli-0003WN-LD Completed The first message is successfully posted to list2, the second message is successfully posted to list1. The first message has absolutely no MM longs relative to list1. Nothing in the vette, smtp, post, error, bounce, etc. Nothing at all related to message one for List1. This is a weekly message and this has happened for the last 4+ weeks. Before that it appears to have worked fine. I haven't made any system changes in that time. What could cause something like this. Is is possible a list setting could do this? I checked the sender filters on both lists but saw nothing that looked wrong. Any assistance would be appreciated. Anne From stephen at xemacs.org Tue Oct 23 00:14:40 2007 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:14:40 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange problem with mailman In-Reply-To: References: <471C789C.3000202@econ.soc.uoc.gr> Message-ID: <87hckidcfj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Mark Sapiro writes: > Alexandros G. Fragkiadakis wrote: He's Greek. I'll bet he has users putting raw ISO-8859-7 in the headers. Look for "illegal character isn't ascii" errors in the logs (something like that, I forget exactly how it's spelled). From mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net Tue Oct 23 03:02:21 2007 From: mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net (Mikael Hansen) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:02:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 22, 2007, at 10:47, Mark Sapiro wrote: [Re: Looking to migrate off of Majordomo] > List owners/moderators can approve or discard held posts and held > (un)subscribe requests by email, but that's about it. Other list > admin tasks require a web interface or shell access with write > permission to the Mailman installation. I am hesitant to ask this as I should wait until one day when I can investigate it myself in more depth, but when the moderator approves or rejects, how can the moderator (using the web interface to send) receive a copy of the email going to the member? A forward of the moderated message does not include the moderator's decision. And is there an archive of such decisions (and invitations etc) available to the moderator? I feel I must have overlooked the obvious. Mikael From mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net Tue Oct 23 03:09:45 2007 From: mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net (Mikael Hansen) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:09:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator archive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D6275E0-C5CF-4815-81C8-6143DE3E30D0@comcast.net> On Oct 22, 2007, at 18:02, Mikael Hansen wrote: > I feel I must have overlooked the obvious. Such as adding a proper subject field ;-) Mikael From kkchn.cdac at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 12:42:09 2007 From: kkchn.cdac at gmail.com (kk CHN) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:12:09 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list-admin-interface : Login failed Message-ID: <5e4d7fb90710230342l20ddcf5dk95ca9f113a25efad@mail.gmail.com> Hai everybody ; I had a FreeBSD 6.2 server with postfix MTA and mailman s/w running for last 6 months ,a couple of days before all my mailing lists down , whenever I try to login to the admin interface for all the lists in this box I am getting an error like this Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs .. I got the error logs as like this tail /usr/local/mailman/logs/error is showing a message that "ther is not enough space left on the device ", so I removed some backup files from /usr dir and now space is available there in /usr dir now i can /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailamnctl start (stop) successfully(when ther is not enough space in /usr dir I cant execute this commands ) but now mailman start/stop working but still problem in the login session same error again getting Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs this is my error log for mailman tail /usr/local/mailman/logs/error is showing these only admin(15742): SCRIPT_URL: /mailman/admin/listxxxxx admin(15742): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/listxxxx admin(15742): HTTP_ACCEPT: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q= 0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 admin(15742): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(15742): REMOTE_PORT: 39221 admin(15742): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: ta,en-us;q=0.7,en;q=0.3 admin(15742): CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded admin(15742): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate admin(15742): UNIQUE_ID: W51T4suB-7YAADz9WIoAAALT admin(15742): PATH_INFO: /listxxxxx lots of experts here , I request all of you to suggest your tips to solve this issue that may help me lot Thanks in advance kk From oliver at samera.com.py Tue Oct 23 22:27:30 2007 From: oliver at samera.com.py (Oliver Schulze L.) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:27:30 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Obscure the email domain in archives Message-ID: <471E5932.5020209@samera.com.py> Hi, I'm wonder if it is posible to use an option like obscure_addresses, in order to obscure the domain part of the email, or even replace only the domain part of the email. For example, it is posible to do this in mailman? user1 at example.com -> user1 at xxxxxx.xxx many thanks Oliver From michiko at sharonartstudio.org Wed Oct 24 00:22:46 2007 From: michiko at sharonartstudio.org (Michiko Thompson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:22:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] please remove me from list Message-ID: <000a01c815c3$3dbbe830$0b01a8c0@Main> Remove Michiko Thompson Friends of Sharon Art Studio 415.753.7005 phone & fax 1032 Irving St. #520, San Francisco, CA 94122 From msapiro at value.net Wed Oct 24 01:59:12 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:59:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Obscure the email domain in archives In-Reply-To: <471E5932.5020209@samera.com.py> Message-ID: Oliver Schulze L. wrote: >I'm wonder if it is posible to use an option like >obscure_addresses, in order to obscure the domain >part of the email, or even replace only the domain part >of the email. > >For example, it is posible to do this in mailman? > >user1 at example.com -> user1 at xxxxxx.xxx There is no option or setting to do this. You would have to modify the code in Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Oct 24 06:29:51 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:29:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing message In-Reply-To: <471CEDEA.8020907@ncmail.net> Message-ID: Anne Ramey wrote: >Have a new and different one. One of my users that has two lists, let's >call them list1 and list2. If he sends a message to list1 and cc's >list2, list1 never receives the message. If he sends the same message >only to list1, it goes through fine. According to my exim logs, it is >delivering both messages to list1: The exim log certainly says the the first post was delivered to both lists, but ... >The first message is successfully posted to list2, the second message is >successfully posted to list1. The first message has absolutely no MM >longs relative to list1. Nothing in the vette, smtp, post, error, >bounce, etc. Nothing at all related to message one for List1. This is >a weekly message and this has happened for the last 4+ weeks. Before >that it appears to have worked fine. I haven't made any system changes >in that time. What could cause something like this. Is is possible a >list setting could do this? I checked the sender filters on both lists >but saw nothing that looked wrong. I can't offhand think of any way the a post can evaporate from Mailman without a trace. There are two ways to verify that the post actually reached Mailman. Way 1 is somewhat disruptive. Stop Mailman, send the post to list1 with cc to list2, examine the files in Mailman's qfiles/in queue with bin/dumpdb (bin/show_qfiles won't show the metadata which says which list the post is for) to see if the post is there twice, once for each list, then start Mailman. If the post is in the in queue for list1 and then evaporates, it is a Mailman problem, but I don't know what the problem might be. If the post doesn't get to the in queue then it could be an exim problem or possibly a problem with the post script. Way 2 is to modify scripts/post to log something. At the end of the main() function following: inq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.INQUEUE_DIR) inq.enqueue(sys.stdin.read(), listname=listname, tolist=1, _plaintext=1) add print >> sys.stderr, _('post to %(listname)s received and queued') This will write the 'post to %(listname)s received and queued' message with the listname filled in to both the error and post logs for every post. This again will tell you if the post got to the post script. Once we know whether or not the post gets this far, we can focus our attention and maybe come up with an answer or a way to get more information. One thing just occurred to me. Is it possible that the post to list1 and list2 is somehow generated from a post from list1 and contains an X-BeenThere: list1 at lists.mydomain.com header, thus preventing it from being accepted by list1. Then perhaps the resend to list1 gets generated from the post from list2 and doesn't contain the X-BeenThere: list1 at lists.mydomain.com header. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From qa.oscpro at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 07:35:50 2007 From: qa.oscpro at gmail.com (QA Engg) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:05:50 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman In-Reply-To: References: <55654bdd0710200227o73571ec2jacc8a892a59f41b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <55654bdd0710232235t4ad9334cl95b79275b6b88593@mail.gmail.com> hi, I tried the procedure to install mailman from the Wikipedia and following errors >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ emerge -p mailman bash: emerge: command not found >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ emerge mailman bash: emerge: command not found >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ zless /usr/share/doc/mailman-$version/README.gentoo.gz gzip: /usr/share/doc/mailman-/README.gentoo.gz: No such file or directory /usr/share/doc/mailman-/README.gentoo.gz: No such file or directory >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ zless /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.9/README.gentoo.gz gzip: /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.9/README.gentoo.gz: No such file or directory /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.9/README.gentoo.gz: No such file or directory >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ ebuild /var/db/pkg/net-mail/mailman-2.1.9 /mailman-$VERSION.eb uild config bash: ebuild: command not found >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ # groups mailman >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ cron mailman cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ # cd /usr/local/mailman/cron && crontab -u mailman crontab.in >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ # su - mailman >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ $ cd /usr/local/mailman/cron bash: $: command not found >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ $crontab crontab.in bash: crontab.in: command not found >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ $ cd .. bash: $: command not found >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ $ bin/mmsitepass bash: $: command not found >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ $ bin/newlist mailman bash: $: command not found >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ $ bin/config_list -i data/sitelist.cfg mailman bash: $: command not found >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ $ bin/check_perms -f bash: $: command not found >>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ Regards Smita On 10/20/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > QA Engg wrote: > > > > 2.2 Create the Installatio Directory > > 1. > > > > You cannot install Mailman on a filesystem that is mounted with > > the nosuid option not gettting the meaning of set to group > > 2. > > > > cd $prefix > > > > 3. > > > > chgrp mailman . > > > > 4. > > > > chmod a+rx,g+ws . > > > > -- Sucessfully run > > > Was the above 'cd $prefix' actually 'cd /usr/local/mailman'? Because > the next step is telling you that /usr/local/mailman is not group > mailman and/or not g+ws. > > > >3 Build and install mailman > > > >3.1 Run Configure > > > >*cd mailman-* > > > >*./configure* > > > This isn't the problem here, but you may wish to specify some options > to configure such as --with-cgi-gid=, --with-mail-gid=, > --with-mailhost= and --with-urlhost= > > > >Shows errors 1) checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... configure: > >error: > > > >2) ***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured > >properly! > > > >3) ***** Directory must be owned by group mailman: /usr/local/mailman > > > Indicating that 'chgrp mailman .' above was not run in the > /usr/local/mailman directory. > > You must fix the above and rerun configure. Then you can run 'make > install' > > > >*sudo make install* > > > > 4 Check Your Installlatio > > > >4.1 > > > > 1. > > > > *bin/check_perms -f * bash: bin/check_perms: @PYTHON@: bad > > interpreter: No such file or directory > > 2. > > > > You have to run /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms which won't exist > until you get the proper ownership and permissions on > /usr/local/mailman and successfully run configure and make install. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > From clearingalaska at fastmail.fm Wed Oct 24 12:21:13 2007 From: clearingalaska at fastmail.fm (Terrence Brannon) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:21:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + postfix : where to set X-No-Archive Message-ID: <1193221273.24657.1217548425@webmail.messagingengine.com> I am running mailman and postfix on a Debian Stable machine. Mail-archive.com will not archive emails if the header X-No-Archive is set to yes. Is this header set via mailman or postfix? I want to set it to "No" -- Terrence Brannon clearingalaska at fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are From anne.ramey at ncmail.net Wed Oct 24 15:14:30 2007 From: anne.ramey at ncmail.net (Anne Ramey) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:14:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471F4536.1000906@ncmail.net> Mark Sapiro wrote: > Anne Ramey wrote: > > >> Have a new and different one. One of my users that has two lists, let's >> call them list1 and list2. If he sends a message to list1 and cc's >> list2, list1 never receives the message. If he sends the same message >> only to list1, it goes through fine. According to my exim logs, it is >> delivering both messages to list1: >> > > > The exim log certainly says the the first post was delivered to both > lists, but ... > > > >> The first message is successfully posted to list2, the second message is >> successfully posted to list1. The first message has absolutely no MM >> longs relative to list1. Nothing in the vette, smtp, post, error, >> bounce, etc. Nothing at all related to message one for List1. This is >> a weekly message and this has happened for the last 4+ weeks. Before >> that it appears to have worked fine. I haven't made any system changes >> in that time. What could cause something like this. Is is possible a >> list setting could do this? I checked the sender filters on both lists >> but saw nothing that looked wrong. >> > > > I can't offhand think of any way the a post can evaporate from Mailman > without a trace. > > There are two ways to verify that the post actually reached Mailman. > > Way 1 is somewhat disruptive. Stop Mailman, send the post to list1 with > cc to list2, examine the files in Mailman's qfiles/in queue with > bin/dumpdb (bin/show_qfiles won't show the metadata which says which > list the post is for) to see if the post is there twice, once for each > list, then start Mailman. If the post is in the in queue for list1 > and then evaporates, it is a Mailman problem, but I don't know what > the problem might be. If the post doesn't get to the in queue then it > could be an exim problem or possibly a problem with the post script. > > Way 2 is to modify scripts/post to log something. At the end of the > main() function following: > > inq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.INQUEUE_DIR) > inq.enqueue(sys.stdin.read(), > listname=listname, > tolist=1, _plaintext=1) > > add > > print >> sys.stderr, _('post to %(listname)s received and queued') > > > This will write the 'post to %(listname)s received and queued' message > with the listname filled in to both the error and post logs for every > post. This again will tell you if the post got to the post script. > > Once we know whether or not the post gets this far, we can focus our > attention and maybe come up with an answer or a way to get more > information. > > One thing just occurred to me. Is it possible that the post to list1 > and list2 is somehow generated from a post from list1 and contains an > > X-BeenThere: list1 at lists.mydomain.com > > header, thus preventing it from being accepted by list1. Then perhaps > the resend to list1 gets generated from the post from list2 and > doesn't contain the > > X-BeenThere: list1 at lists.mydomain.com > > header. > > Thank you for the reply. I have to restart Mailman this weekend (during our maintenance window) anyway for another change. I'll take way2 and see what I see the next week. I'll let you know the results. Thanks, Anne From lacoste_pierre at hotmail.fr Wed Oct 24 16:59:07 2007 From: lacoste_pierre at hotmail.fr (pierre lacoste) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:59:07 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] rename a mailing list Message-ID: Hello everybody, My question is simple: Can you tell me how can I rename a mailing list? I have a mailing list toto at toto.com and I want to rename this into rename_toto at toto.com. Regards Pierre _________________________________________________________________ D?couvrez le blog Messenger Le Meilleur du Web : toutes les vid?os qui buzzent le plus sur Internet ! http://meilleurduweb.spaces.live.com/ From msapiro at value.net Wed Oct 24 17:10:51 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:10:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing message In-Reply-To: <471F4536.1000906@ncmail.net> Message-ID: Anne Ramey wrote: >> >Thank you for the reply. I have to restart Mailman this weekend (during >our maintenance window) anyway for another change. I'll take way2 and >see what I see the next week. I'll let you know the results. Note that the patch to scripts/post does not require a Mailman restart to be effective or to be removed because the post script is run by the mail wrapper in a new process invoked by the MTA for each message. Also, if possible, have the poster of the message add a Bcc: directly to you so you can see the headers in the incoming message in case there's something there that's causing this. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From oliver at samera.com.py Wed Oct 24 17:10:37 2007 From: oliver at samera.com.py (Oliver Schulze L.) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:10:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Obscure the email domain in archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471F606D.4080404@samera.com.py> Many Thanks for the info! Mark Sapiro wrote: > There is no option or setting to do this. You would have to modify the > code in Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py. > From msapiro at value.net Wed Oct 24 17:33:12 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:33:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman In-Reply-To: <55654bdd0710232235t4ad9334cl95b79275b6b88593@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: QA Engg wrote: > >I tried the procedure to install mailman from the Wikipedia and >following errors > >>>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ emerge -p mailman >bash: emerge: command not found [...] You are trying to follow instructions for a package and perhaps even an OS which you do not have. >>>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ # groups mailman >>>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ cron mailman >cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied >>>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ # cd /usr/local/mailman/cron && crontab -u mailman >crontab.in > >>>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ # su - mailman In 3 of the four lines, the '#' you typed is actually the 'root' shell prompt in the example you are copying. Thus you are typing comments, not commands. >>>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ $ cd /usr/local/mailman/cron >bash: $: command not found Here and in the following you typed a '$' prompt as opposed to the '#' above so bash told you there is no '$' command. You need to get some help and instruction from somone who knows something about Unix/Linux. That is beyond the scope of the mailman-users at python.org list. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dan at music.memphis.edu Wed Oct 24 17:15:38 2007 From: dan at music.memphis.edu (Dan) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:15:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] rename a mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471F619A.3060406@music.memphis.edu> pierre lacoste wrote: > Can you tell me how can I rename a mailing list? > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.070.htp Dan From msapiro at value.net Wed Oct 24 17:44:35 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:44:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + postfix : where to set X-No-Archive In-Reply-To: <1193221273.24657.1217548425@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Terrence Brannon wrote: >I am running mailman and postfix on a Debian Stable machine. >Mail-archive.com will not archive emails if the header X-No-Archive is >set to yes. Neither will Mailman. >Is this header set via mailman or postfix? I want to set it to "No" Neither standard Mailman nor Postfix will add or set this header. This header is normally added to a message via her MUA by a user who doesn't want the message archived. Normal messages contain no X-No-Archive: header at all. I don't know about Mail-archive.com, but Mailman will not archive messages that contain any X-No-Archive: header, even 'X-No-Archive: No'. # Common practice seems to favor "X-No-Archive: yes". No other value for # this header seems to make sense, so we'll just test for it's presence. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lacoste_pierre at hotmail.fr Wed Oct 24 18:04:29 2007 From: lacoste_pierre at hotmail.fr (pierre lacoste) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:04:29 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] rename a mailing list In-Reply-To: <471F619A.3060406@music.memphis.edu> References: <471F619A.3060406@music.memphis.edu> Message-ID: OK thanks Pierre > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:15:38 -0500 > From: dan at music.memphis.edu > To: lacoste_pierre at hotmail.fr > CC: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] rename a mailing list > > pierre lacoste wrote: > > Can you tell me how can I rename a mailing list? > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.070.htp > > Dan > _________________________________________________________________ D?couvrez le blog Messenger Le Meilleur du Web : toutes les vid?os qui buzzent le plus sur Internet ! http://meilleurduweb.spaces.live.com/ From gilmore.126 at osu.edu Wed Oct 24 19:37:14 2007 From: gilmore.126 at osu.edu (Melinda Gilmore) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:37:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ports Message-ID: <001d01c81664$8401cbb0$6ef39280@oitlan.oit.ohiostate.edu> I looked somewhat in the archives but am not finding information on what port mailmanctl listens on. Or this whole email may show my ignorance on the setup. But what I am trying to do is setup a warning in our nocol if mailmanctl is down. I need a port number. Thanks From msapiro at value.net Wed Oct 24 20:28:32 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:28:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ports In-Reply-To: <001d01c81664$8401cbb0$6ef39280@oitlan.oit.ohiostate.edu> Message-ID: Melinda Gilmore wrote: >I looked somewhat in the archives but am not finding information on what >port mailmanctl listens on. Or this whole email may show my ignorance on >the setup. But what I am trying to do is setup a warning in our nocol if >mailmanctl is down. I need a port number. mailmanctl does not 'listen'. It responds to signals, not to commumication on a socket. Even the fact that it is present (which can be determined from the existence of the file master-qrunner.pid in Mailman's data/ directory and the existence of a process with the pid contained in that file) does not mean that all or even any of the qrunners are running (they might have died multiple times and reached mailmanctl's restart limit). Depending on your OS something like ps -fw --ppid `cat /path/to/data/master-qrunner.pid` May tell you whether or not the qrunner processes are all there. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jtp at cs.cmu.edu Wed Oct 24 20:29:13 2007 From: jtp at cs.cmu.edu (Jim Park) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:29:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on functionality Message-ID: <471F8EF9.2040101@cs.cmu.edu> All, I would like to know how Mailman handles an email that is sent to an umbrella list that contains multiple lists and contains one or more users that are members of the various lists. Is Mailman "smart" enough to not send multiple messages to the user(s) that are on multiple lists under the umbrella list? I am seeing a list member that is receiving multiple emails. I am trying to narrow down the reasons why she is receiving 8 duplicate copies of the same message. Thank you, -Jim -- Jim Park Senior Help Desk Consultant SCS Computing Facilities Help Desk Wean Hall 3613 Phone: 8-1269 From maddoc at maddoc.net Thu Oct 25 01:26:14 2007 From: maddoc at maddoc.net (Doc Schneider) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:26:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman troubles Message-ID: <471FD496.2000101@maddoc.net> I'm seeing the following errors in the error log. Any one know where to find a fix? This is MM 2.1.5 running on RHEL 4 Python 2.3.4. Thanks, Oct 24 18:15:35 2007 (13363) SHUNTING: 1193264135.2076499+0c863f656c1d72d260d866d594b0e1bfedff5c6e Oct 24 18:15:51 2007 (13363) Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding: gb2312 Oct 24 18:15:51 2007 (13363) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 223, in _dispose res = Results(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 77, in __init__ subj = make_header(decode_header(subj)).__unicode__() File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 144, in make_header h.append(s, charset) File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 272, in append ustr = unicode(s, incodec, errors) LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312 -- -Doc Penguins: Do it on the ice. From maddoc at maddoc.net Thu Oct 25 00:30:03 2007 From: maddoc at maddoc.net (Doc Schneider) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:30:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM errors. Message-ID: <471FC76B.9060209@maddoc.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm seeing the following errors in the error log. Any one know where to find a fix? This is MM 2.1.5 running on RHEL 4 Python 2.3.4. Thanks, Oct 24 18:15:35 2007 (13363) SHUNTING: 1193264135.2076499+0c863f656c1d72d260d866d594b0e1bfedff5c6e Oct 24 18:15:51 2007 (13363) Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding: gb2312 Oct 24 18:15:51 2007 (13363) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 223, in _dispose res = Results(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 77, in __init__ subj = make_header(decode_header(subj)).__unicode__() File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 144, in make_header h.append(s, charset) File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 272, in append ustr = unicode(s, incodec, errors) LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312 - -- -Doc Penguins: Do it on the ice. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with CentOS - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHH8drqOEeBwEpgcsRApDWAJ0Rn7g8KuXiXny864SHvq265SeGLgCdGD0g p/PQt0eWVQJcdnwSVqt1pd0= =xeKP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From msapiro at value.net Wed Oct 24 22:11:13 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:11:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on functionality Message-ID: <200710241411.AA59572408@mail.value.net> Jim Park wrote: > I would like to know how Mailman handles an email that is sent to an >umbrella list that contains multiple lists and contains one or more >users that are members of the various lists. Is Mailman "smart" enough >to not send multiple messages to the user(s) that are on multiple lists >under the umbrella list? No. >I am seeing a list member that is receiving >multiple emails. I am trying to narrow down the reasons why she is >receiving 8 duplicate copies of the same message. If the she is a member of the list and, directly or indirectly, of 7 subordinate lists, she will recieve 8 copies of a post to the list (unless she is a gmail user in which case gmail will supress the dups). -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lists at blazestudios.com Thu Oct 25 01:33:29 2007 From: lists at blazestudios.com (Tom Ray [Lists]) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:33:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting Message-ID: <471FD649.4090909@blazestudios.com> Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list. So if the list has 400 members and it only has four emails a week sent to it, no big deal. But I want to see a list that has traffic on it like this one or something in the lines of 100 emails per day because of the level of activity. So how can I tell how many messages were sent through list X? Thanks. From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 25 02:27:43 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:27:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting In-Reply-To: <471FD649.4090909@blazestudios.com> Message-ID: Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: >Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a >list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing >and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list. See . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lists at blazestudios.com Thu Oct 25 02:58:56 2007 From: lists at blazestudios.com (Tom Ray [Lists]) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471FEA50.3030005@blazestudios.com> Mark Sapiro wrote: > Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: > > >> Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a >> list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing >> and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list. >> > > > See > . > > Thanks, I'll give it a shot. From subscribed-lists at sterndata.com Thu Oct 25 02:58:05 2007 From: subscribed-lists at sterndata.com (Steven Stern) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:58:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting In-Reply-To: <471FD649.4090909@blazestudios.com> References: <471FD649.4090909@blazestudios.com> Message-ID: <471FEA1D.8080300@sterndata.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/24/2007 06:33 PM, Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: > Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a > list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing > and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list. > > So if the list has 400 members and it only has four emails a week sent > to it, no big deal. But I want to see a list that has traffic on it like > this one or something in the lines of 100 emails per day because of the > level of activity. > > So how can I tell how many messages were sent through list X? Use mmdsr. It's in the contrib directory under your mailman install. I run it from cron at 23:59 every night and get a daily report of list traffic. - -- Steve -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHH+odeERILVgMyvARAor+AJ9ay6tVDHFuhLuOxSR1Vo53vQ2enwCeLRM0 4D9rGdZFPuo1VwlCXy8XIS0= =vs6O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 25 04:02:01 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:02:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ports In-Reply-To: <002a01c8166e$323707a0$6ef39280@oitlan.oit.ohiostate.edu> Message-ID: Melinda Gilmore wrote: >So there is not a nocol type way to have yourself paged for mailman itself. I know nothing about nocol, but it seems unlikely that the only way it can check on the health of a process is via communication to a socket, but even if that is the case, you could create your own process to check the health of mailmanctl and the qrunners and monitor that with nocol ("There is no problem in computer programming that cannot be solved by adding yet one more level of indirection." - Maurice Wilkes). Also, see for a patch that adds a 'status' function to mailmanctl, but note that this still doesn't check the qrunners. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lists at blazestudios.com Thu Oct 25 05:37:14 2007 From: lists at blazestudios.com (Tom Ray [Lists]) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:37:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting In-Reply-To: <471FEA1D.8080300@sterndata.com> References: <471FD649.4090909@blazestudios.com> <471FEA1D.8080300@sterndata.com> Message-ID: <47200F6A.5020705@blazestudios.com> Steven Stern wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10/24/2007 06:33 PM, Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: > >> Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a >> list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing >> and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list. >> >> So if the list has 400 members and it only has four emails a week sent >> to it, no big deal. But I want to see a list that has traffic on it like >> this one or something in the lines of 100 emails per day because of the >> level of activity. >> >> So how can I tell how many messages were sent through list X? >> > > Use mmdsr. It's in the contrib directory under your mailman install. I > run it from cron at 23:59 every night and get a daily report of list > traffic. > > - -- > > Steve > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHH+odeERILVgMyvARAor+AJ9ay6tVDHFuhLuOxSR1Vo53vQ2enwCeLRM0 > 4D9rGdZFPuo1VwlCXy8XIS0= > =vs6O > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lists%40blazestudios.com > > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp > I guess the real question is will it do a history too? I need to figure out past history. From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 25 06:15:01 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:15:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting In-Reply-To: <47200F6A.5020705@blazestudios.com> Message-ID: Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: > >I guess the real question is will it do a history too? I need to figure >out past history. mmdsr as written just does a daily report, but the information it sumarizes and reports is all in Mailman's log files, so it should be easy to adapt to your needs. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Oct 25 07:47:34 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting In-Reply-To: <47200F6A.5020705@blazestudios.com> References: <471FD649.4090909@blazestudios.com> <471FEA1D.8080300@sterndata.com> <47200F6A.5020705@blazestudios.com> Message-ID: On 10/24/07, Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: > I guess the real question is will it do a history too? I need to figure > out past history. As the author of mmdsr, I'll say that you should be able to feed it old Mailman log data and have it "just work", but I won't guarantee that. If you try this and it doesn't work for you, please let me know and I'll try to work with you to modify the code so that it does "just work" when fed old log data. Keep in mind that there's a good chunk of mmdsr where it goes and looks at the current status of what is in the various queue directories, etc... and this obviously won't be relevant for processing of historical log data. I should probably add a command-line flag so that you can tell it whether to just do the summary based on the log data (which should work regardless of whether the data is historical or current), or to do the log data summary plus the current condition report. Let me think about that, and see if I have any time available. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From slashchick at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 09:15:40 2007 From: slashchick at gmail.com (Erica Douglass) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:15:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change the name of a mailing list? Message-ID: <709e17e00710250015h3b053a71h6c674cab6955581f@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I need to change the name of a mailing list. That is: -- The address to which people send to the list and -- The name as it appears in the Mailman config and public pages. I wish to keep the current subscriber list and archives. I searched for this problem, but did not find an answer...only others asking the same question. What is the best way to go about doing this? Thank you, -Erica From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Oct 25 10:32:17 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:32:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change the name of a mailing list? In-Reply-To: <709e17e00710250015h3b053a71h6c674cab6955581f@mail.gmail.com> References: <709e17e00710250015h3b053a71h6c674cab6955581f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/25/07, Erica Douglass wrote: > I searched for this problem, but did not find an answer...only others > asking the same question. What is the best way to go about doing this? FAQ 4.40. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From qa.oscpro at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 12:28:18 2007 From: qa.oscpro at gmail.com (QA Engg) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:58:18 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman In-Reply-To: References: <55654bdd0710232235t4ad9334cl95b79275b6b88593@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <55654bdd0710250328l44619a27ta71eac337a9ccf51@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I installed mailman and go for "Check Installation phase" as per mailman Installation Manual wiki at wiki-13:/usr/local/mailman$ bin/check_perms -f Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/check_perms", line 45, in from Mailman import mm_cfg ImportError: cannot import name mm_cfg Regards Smita ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mark Sapiro Date: Oct 24, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman To: QA Engg , Mailman-Users at python.org QA Engg wrote: > >I tried the procedure to install mailman from the Wikipedia and >following errors > >>>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ emerge -p mailman >bash: emerge: command not found [...] You are trying to follow instructions for a package and perhaps even an OS which you do not have. >>>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ # groups mailman >>>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ cron mailman >cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied >>>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ # cd /usr/local/mailman/cron && crontab -u mailman >crontab.in > >>>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ # su - mailman In 3 of the four lines, the '#' you typed is actually the 'root' shell prompt in the example you are copying. Thus you are typing comments, not commands. >>>pallavi at wiki-13:~$ $ cd /usr/local/mailman/cron >bash: $: command not found Here and in the following you typed a '$' prompt as opposed to the '#' above so bash told you there is no '$' command. You need to get some help and instruction from somone who knows something about Unix/Linux. That is beyond the scope of the mailman-users at python.org list. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From melick.andy at ncocc.k12.oh.us Thu Oct 25 16:16:34 2007 From: melick.andy at ncocc.k12.oh.us (Melick Andy) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:16:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delegated Administration Message-ID: <04817796C25A0A48BC3A659D1ADB646304864C59@NCOLV01VS1.ncocc-k12.org> Does anyone have a prebuilt VMWare instance for MailMan? It seems as if this program is a bear to configure? I just don't have the time unless someone else has a quick and easy way to set this up. It would be much easier to modify a running instance rather than configure from scratch. Thanks in Advance, Andy From lacoste_pierre at hotmail.fr Thu Oct 25 16:51:32 2007 From: lacoste_pierre at hotmail.fr (pierre lacoste) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:51:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desactivate a mailing liste Message-ID: Hello everybody, How can I desactivate a mailing list? I don't want to remove but juste desactivate temporarly. Regards Pierre _________________________________________________________________ D?couvrez le blog Messenger Le Meilleur du Web : toutes les vid?os qui buzzent le plus sur Internet ! http://meilleurduweb.spaces.live.com/ From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 25 16:55:46 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:55:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change the name of a mailing list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: >On 10/25/07, Erica Douglass wrote: > >> I searched for this problem, but did not find an answer...only others >> asking the same question. What is the best way to go about doing this? > >FAQ 4.40. I think that's a typo. It's FAQ 4.70 >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 25 17:12:25 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:12:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desactivate a mailing liste In-Reply-To: Message-ID: pierre lacoste wrote: > >How can I desactivate a mailing list? I don't want to remove but juste desactivate temporarly. It depends on your MTA and on exactly what you mean by deactivate. Consider the following. Remove aliases for this list from the MTA. Set emergency moderation On. Move the lists/listname/ directory aside. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lists at blazestudios.com Thu Oct 25 17:23:01 2007 From: lists at blazestudios.com (Tom Ray [Lists]) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:23:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting In-Reply-To: References: <471FD649.4090909@blazestudios.com> <471FEA1D.8080300@sterndata.com> <47200F6A.5020705@blazestudios.com> Message-ID: <4720B4D5.70502@blazestudios.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > On 10/24/07, Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: > >> I guess the real question is will it do a history too? I need to figure >> out past history. > > As the author of mmdsr, I'll say that you should be able to feed it > old Mailman log data and have it "just work", but I won't guarantee > that. If you try this and it doesn't work for you, please let me know > and I'll try to work with you to modify the code so that it does "just > work" when fed old log data. > > > Keep in mind that there's a good chunk of mmdsr where it goes and > looks at the current status of what is in the various queue > directories, etc... and this obviously won't be relevant for > processing of historical log data. > > I should probably add a command-line flag so that you can tell it > whether to just do the summary based on the log data (which should > work regardless of whether the data is historical or current), or to > do the log data summary plus the current condition report. > > Let me think about that, and see if I have any time available. > Alright, I just ran a blanketed request that went through the whole log file, which was pretty nice since I haven't rotated ever. It goes back to April 2006. I do have some questions about the report though, and please forgive my ignorance. I use MM but I really haven't dove into like I should have so I'm still a little shaky on how things work. According to the report one list has 14,297 posts but according to the Post Count by Sender report 13,797 of those posts came from listname-request at . So does that mean that only 500 posts were made by members or are those 13,797 more then just commands from the members? I would appreciate a better explanation on that. Also, under the Hourly Summary of Message Sent report from the smtp log. The totals are based on how many email addresses the message was sent to, correct? So if a list has 250 members it counts each message per member? I know that it bundles the message per connection so a single SMTP connect could have 100 messages in it. I just want to make sure. The problem is that my email server is being beaten in to the ground and it looks like this clients lists (they have 8 or so) are seeing a heavy increase in membership and frequency. I need to put numbers together so I can tell them they need to either get a dedicated list server or pay more (so I can upgrade!). Any help would be great. I'm just a bit ignorant on the internal workings of MM but am learning. Plus I don't know Python from a hole in the ground so I'm leery about messing with code to much. From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 25 17:55:13 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:55:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting In-Reply-To: <4720B4D5.70502@blazestudios.com> Message-ID: Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: > >According to the report one list has 14,297 posts but according to the >Post Count by Sender report 13,797 of those posts came from >listname-request at . So does that mean that only 500 posts were made by >members or are those 13,797 more then just commands from the members? I >would appreciate a better explanation on that. This is a bug in Mailman pre 2.1.7 that logged the envelope sender of the outgoing message instead of the incoming message. >Also, under the Hourly Summary of Message Sent report from the smtp log. >The totals are based on how many email addresses the message was sent >to, correct? So if a list has 250 members it counts each message per >member? I know that it bundles the message per connection so a single >SMTP connect could have 100 messages in it. I just want to make sure. Yes, you are correct. This comes from the smtp log and is the total number of recipients which depending on mm_cfg settings could be one smtp connection per recipient or a single smtp connection with a few smtp transactions with hundreds of recipients per transaction, or something in between. But the number is always the total recipients. >The problem is that my email server is being beaten in to the ground and >it looks like this clients lists (they have 8 or so) are seeing a heavy >increase in membership and frequency. I need to put numbers together so >I can tell them they need to either get a dedicated list server or pay >more (so I can upgrade!). > >Any help would be great. I'm just a bit ignorant on the internal >workings of MM but am learning. Plus I don't know Python from a hole in >the ground so I'm leery about messing with code to much. The mmdsr report gives you post count per list and by sender, but due to the mailman bug in 2.1.6 and earlier, these are usually the same since the sender is list-bounces. It also gives the hourly summary of posts and of messages sent, the latter of which is really the number of recipients, not the number of smtp transactions or smtp connects. It does not give you messages sent by list. In order to get that, you need to look at the 'post' log to get the list and from information and the message-id and then get the corresponding message-id entry from the smtp log to get the number of recipients. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From cwaltham at bowdoin.edu Thu Oct 25 16:55:30 2007 From: cwaltham at bowdoin.edu (Chris Waltham) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:55:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desactivate a mailing liste In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 25, 2007, at 10:51 AM, pierre lacoste wrote: > Hello everybody, > > How can I desactivate a mailing list? I don't want to remove but > juste desactivate temporarly. You can make the list "moderated", or you could even remove the aliases for your list. There are other ways also. Chris > > Regards > > Pierre From lists at blazestudios.com Thu Oct 25 18:07:54 2007 From: lists at blazestudios.com (Tom Ray [Lists]) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:07:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4720BF5A.2050105@blazestudios.com> Mark Sapiro wrote: > Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: > >> According to the report one list has 14,297 posts but according to the >> Post Count by Sender report 13,797 of those posts came from >> listname-request at . So does that mean that only 500 posts were made by >> members or are those 13,797 more then just commands from the members? I >> would appreciate a better explanation on that. >> > > > This is a bug in Mailman pre 2.1.7 that logged the envelope sender of > the outgoing message instead of the incoming message. > > So I'm sure I'm understanding you correctly then that some of those message could be valid posts made by members since this list was around since 2.1.4 or so? > >> Also, under the Hourly Summary of Message Sent report from the smtp log. >> The totals are based on how many email addresses the message was sent >> to, correct? So if a list has 250 members it counts each message per >> member? I know that it bundles the message per connection so a single >> SMTP connect could have 100 messages in it. I just want to make sure. >> > > > Yes, you are correct. This comes from the smtp log and is the total > number of recipients which depending on mm_cfg settings could be one > smtp connection per recipient or a single smtp connection with a few > smtp transactions with hundreds of recipients per transaction, or > something in between. But the number is always the total recipients. > > > >> The problem is that my email server is being beaten in to the ground and >> it looks like this clients lists (they have 8 or so) are seeing a heavy >> increase in membership and frequency. I need to put numbers together so >> I can tell them they need to either get a dedicated list server or pay >> more (so I can upgrade!). >> >> Any help would be great. I'm just a bit ignorant on the internal >> workings of MM but am learning. Plus I don't know Python from a hole in >> the ground so I'm leery about messing with code to much. >> > > > The mmdsr report gives you post count per list and by sender, but due > to the mailman bug in 2.1.6 and earlier, these are usually the same > since the sender is list-bounces. > > It also gives the hourly summary of posts and of messages sent, the > latter of which is really the number of recipients, not the number of > smtp transactions or smtp connects. > > It does not give you messages sent by list. In order to get that, you > need to look at the 'post' log to get the list and from information > and the message-id and then get the corresponding message-id entry > from the smtp log to get the number of recipients. > > Thanks for the information. I'm tearing apart the post log because I want to get the total size of the message. Then I need to figure out how many emails where sent so I can figure out bandwidth usage. I mean if they send a 10K file to a list with 1,000 members that's a lot of bandwidth to send out. From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 25 18:30:34 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:30:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting In-Reply-To: <4720BF5A.2050105@blazestudios.com> Message-ID: Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: >Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> This is a bug in Mailman pre 2.1.7 that logged the envelope sender of >> the outgoing message instead of the incoming message. >> >> >So I'm sure I'm understanding you correctly then that some of those >message could be valid posts made by members since this list was around >since 2.1.4 or so? These are all valid posts made by list members. Everything in the 'post' log should be a valid post to the list. Occasionally, when there is an smtp-failure on a mailman generated message (say a reject of spam with a forged non-existant local address), you can get a failure entry in the post log even though the message wasn't a post, but if you filter out the failures (or the mailman.nnnn.nnnnnn.nnnn.list at domain message-ids), everything else is a legitimate list post. Note that these failures appear in the mmdsr report under Other Messages:->Log file: post. >Thanks for the information. I'm tearing apart the post log because I >want to get the total size of the message. Then I need to figure out how >many emails where sent so I can figure out bandwidth usage. I mean if >they send a 10K file to a list with 1,000 members that's a lot of >bandwidth to send out. Yes, but if you want to be truly accurate, you also have to look at your MTA logs. For example, if a 10K message is sent to a list with 1000 members, and the list is not personalized, and the message is not VERPed in Mailman, mailman might deliver this to the MTA in say 5 transactions with 200 recipients each for a total exchange between Mailman and the MTA of about 50K plus the address list. The MTA in turn might batch delivery so if say 50 of those 1000 recipients are in the aol.com domain, the MTA might send one 10K + transaction to AOL for all 50, rather that sending 10K 50 times. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 25 18:38:57 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:38:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman In-Reply-To: <55654bdd0710250328l44619a27ta71eac337a9ccf51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: QA Engg wrote: > >I installed mailman and go for "Check Installation phase" as per >mailman Installation Manual > >wiki at wiki-13:/usr/local/mailman$ bin/check_perms -f >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/check_perms", line 45, in > from Mailman import mm_cfg >ImportError: cannot import name mm_cfg Your installation was not successful. >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Mark Sapiro >Date: Oct 24, 2007 9:03 PM >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman >To: QA Engg , Mailman-Users at python.org >You need to get some help and instruction from somone who knows >something about Unix/Linux. That is beyond the scope of the >mailman-users at python.org list. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lists at blazestudios.com Thu Oct 25 18:52:19 2007 From: lists at blazestudios.com (Tom Ray [Lists]) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:52:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4720C9C3.2060804@blazestudios.com> Mark Sapiro wrote: > Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: > > >> Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >>> This is a bug in Mailman pre 2.1.7 that logged the envelope sender of >>> the outgoing message instead of the incoming message. >>> >>> >>> >> So I'm sure I'm understanding you correctly then that some of those >> message could be valid posts made by members since this list was around >> since 2.1.4 or so? >> > > > These are all valid posts made by list members. Everything in the > 'post' log should be a valid post to the list. Occasionally, when > there is an smtp-failure on a mailman generated message (say a reject > of spam with a forged non-existant local address), you can get a > failure entry in the post log even though the message wasn't a post, > but if you filter out the failures (or the > mailman.nnnn.nnnnnn.nnnn.list at domain message-ids), everything else is > a legitimate list post. > > Note that these failures appear in the mmdsr report under Other > Messages:->Log file: post. > > > Thanks. That helps a lot. > >> Thanks for the information. I'm tearing apart the post log because I >> want to get the total size of the message. Then I need to figure out how >> many emails where sent so I can figure out bandwidth usage. I mean if >> they send a 10K file to a list with 1,000 members that's a lot of >> bandwidth to send out. >> > > > Yes, but if you want to be truly accurate, you also have to look at > your MTA logs. > > For example, if a 10K message is sent to a list with 1000 members, and > the list is not personalized, and the message is not VERPed in > Mailman, mailman might deliver this to the MTA in say 5 transactions > with 200 recipients each for a total exchange between Mailman and the > MTA of about 50K plus the address list. > > The MTA in turn might batch delivery so if say 50 of those 1000 > recipients are in the aol.com domain, the MTA might send one 10K + > transaction to AOL for all 50, rather that sending 10K 50 times. > > I see what you are saying. I'll write something to dig through my Exim logs and see what I can come up with. From mark at phillipsmarketing.biz Thu Oct 25 21:12:04 2007 From: mark at phillipsmarketing.biz (Mark Phillips) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:12:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set keyword : field in email? Message-ID: <1193339524.23364.18.camel@narwhale> How does one set the Keyword: field in an email so mailman will filter the message into the correct topic? I use Evolution as my email client. Thanks! Mark From myron at cs.moravian.edu Thu Oct 25 21:26:07 2007 From: myron at cs.moravian.edu (Myron Kowalski) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:26:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner error Message-ID: I noticed that messages were not going out to my mailing lists. When I restarted mailman, this comes up. Any mail sent to the list is being archived, but is not going to the members. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/users/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/users/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 65, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 93, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 156, in dequeue data = self._ext_read(dbfile) File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 262, in _ext_read dict = marshal.load(fp) ValueError: bad marshal data I'm running mailman 2.1.9 and python 2.3.4. I created a list the other day and that's when I noticed the problem. I've since deleted that list, but I still get the same error. I don't believe that was the problem anyway. I found a check_request_db program on the web that seem to suggest an answer to my problem, but the program doesn't seem to do anything. I don't know any python, so I don't know how to read that program. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. --myron ================================= Myron Kowalski MoCoSIN Network/Systems Administrator Moravian College myron at cs.moravian.edu From jurgen.gaeremyn at pandora.be Thu Oct 25 22:42:04 2007 From: jurgen.gaeremyn at pandora.be (Jurgen Gaeremyn) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:42:04 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Batch processing a mailing list... Message-ID: <1193344924.6610.6.camel@desktop> Hi, I'm pretty new to the mailman thing... I've been lurching this mailing list a few weeks now, and you guys really seem very helpful... (even if we ask pretty novice questions) So, here's my question: I want to transfer a mailinglist to my new host (Webhosting UK). My list counts 750 members, but I'm recommended to (as they mailed me) split the mail transfer up into batches of maximum 250 members at once, with a 1 hour delay. I'm not really in the clear how I should do this... could you guys help me out? Thanks in advance, Jurgen. From msapiro at value.net Thu Oct 25 23:54:11 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:54:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Myron Kowalski wrote: >I noticed that messages were not going out to my mailing lists. When >I restarted mailman, this comes up. Any mail sent to the list is >being archived, >but is not going to the members. > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/users/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? > main() > File "/users/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main > qrunner.run() > File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 65, in run > filecnt = self._oneloop() > File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 93, in _oneloop > msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 156, in >dequeue > data = self._ext_read(dbfile) > File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 262, in >_ext_read > dict = marshal.load(fp) >ValueError: bad marshal data > >I'm running mailman 2.1.9 and python 2.3.4. Something is wrong here because the line numbers in Switchboard.py look like Mailman 2.1.4, and that was the last version of Switchboard.py that had those statements in it anywhere. Presumably, this is OutgoingRunner encountering the problem, because IncomingRunner and ArchRunner both have to work for messages to be archived. The problem may be as simple as some spurious file in qfiles/out with a .db extension. If there are .pck files in qfiles/out, and one .db file, try moving the .db file aside. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 26 00:18:15 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:18:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set keyword : field in email? In-Reply-To: <1193339524.23364.18.camel@narwhale> Message-ID: Mark Phillips wrote: >How does one set the Keyword: field in an email so mailman will filter >the message into the correct topic? I use Evolution as my email client. You can put topic keywords in actual Keywords: headers or in the Subject: header or you can put lines that look like Keywords: ... and/or Subject: ... in the initial lines of the message body preceding any non-header like lines. E.g., if the list's topics_bodylines_limit is set to 5, and the first 5 lines of the message body are Keywords: aa, bb Junk: cc Keywords: dd zzz Keywords: ee the strings 'aa, bb' and 'dd' will be searched with the topic regexps, but 'ee' will not because the non-header like line 'zzz' stops the search. As far as setting an actual Keywords: header with Evolution is concerned, you'd have to ask where people know Evolution. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 26 00:46:03 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:46:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator archive In-Reply-To: <1D6275E0-C5CF-4815-81C8-6143DE3E30D0@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mikael Hansen wrote: >I am hesitant to ask this as I should wait until one day when I can >investigate it myself in more depth, but when the moderator approves >or rejects, how can the moderator (using the web interface to send) >receive a copy of the email going to the member? A forward of the >moderated message does not include the moderator's decision. Well, if the moderator approves the message, the post itself goes to the list and the list archive and nothing else goes to the poster. If the moderator rejects the message, a boiler plate message with the moderator's reason included is sent to the poster. There's no way for the moderator to get a copy of the message with the reject reason unless the moderator is the poster which is how you see samples of these messages. I.e., send a post to a list you moderate that you know will be held (say for too big or implicit destination or maybe from a non-member address) and reject it. >And is there an archive of such decisions (and invitations etc) >available to the moderator? I feel I must have overlooked the obvious. Mailman's 'vette' log logs held posts and moderator actions, but not messages. Invitations themselves aren't logged, but accepted invitations are logged in the 'subscribe' log as new subscriptions. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 26 00:49:06 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:49:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list-admin-interface : Login failed In-Reply-To: <5e4d7fb90710230342l20ddcf5dk95ca9f113a25efad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: kk CHN wrote: > >this is my error log for mailman > >tail /usr/local/mailman/logs/error is showing these only > >admin(15742): SCRIPT_URL: /mailman/admin/listxxxxx >admin(15742): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/listxxxx >admin(15742): HTTP_ACCEPT: >text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q= >0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 >admin(15742): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 >admin(15742): REMOTE_PORT: 39221 >admin(15742): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: ta,en-us;q=0.7,en;q=0.3 >admin(15742): CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded >admin(15742): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate >admin(15742): UNIQUE_ID: W51T4suB-7YAADz9WIoAAALT >admin(15742): PATH_INFO: /listxxxxx Try tail -100 /usr/local/mailman/logs/error so we can see the entire message. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 26 01:05:55 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:05:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM errors. In-Reply-To: <471FC76B.9060209@maddoc.net> Message-ID: Doc Schneider wrote: > >I'm seeing the following errors in the error log. Any one know where to >find a fix? This is MM 2.1.5 running on RHEL 4 Python 2.3.4. > >Thanks, > > >Oct 24 18:15:35 2007 (13363) SHUNTING: >1193264135.2076499+0c863f656c1d72d260d866d594b0e1bfedff5c6e >Oct 24 18:15:51 2007 (13363) Uncaught runner exception: unknown >encoding: gb2312 >Oct 24 18:15:51 2007 (13363) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 223, in >_dispose > res = Results(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 77, in >__init__ > subj = make_header(decode_header(subj)).__unicode__() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 144, in >make_header > h.append(s, charset) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 272, in append > ustr = unicode(s, incodec, errors) >LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312 It looks to me like you are getting spam sent to one or more of the listname-confirm, listname-request, listname-join, listname-subscribe, listname-leave or listname-unsubscribe addresses with an RFC 2047 encoded subject with a 'gb2312' encoding. I'm not sure why your Python email library doesn't recognize this encoding, but in any case, these are almost certainly spam messages. You can examine the message entries in qfiles/shunt/ with bin/show_qfiles, and if they are in fact spam, just remove the files. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 26 01:23:02 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:23:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Batch processing a mailing list... In-Reply-To: <1193344924.6610.6.camel@desktop> Message-ID: Jurgen Gaeremyn wrote: > >So, here's my question: I want to transfer a mailinglist to my new host >(Webhosting UK). >My list counts 750 members, but I'm recommended to (as they mailed me) >split the mail transfer up into batches of maximum 250 members at once, >with a 1 hour delay. > >I'm not really in the clear how I should do this... could you guys help >me out? Mailman doesn't do this. You can set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 250 in mm_cfg.py to make sure that no single SMTP transaction sends to more than 250 recipients, but Mailman will still send to all 750 members with as little delay as possible. It would be possible to modify Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py to keep track and not send to more than 250 recipients per hour, but that might result in large backlogs. Anyway, would this be your Mailman installation or the host's? If it's the host's, there's nothing you can do and what they seem to be telling you is they won't support lists with more than 250 members or more than 250 (posts X members) per hour. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brian at emwd.com Fri Oct 26 01:54:26 2007 From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:54:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Batch processing a mailing list... In-Reply-To: References: <1193344924.6610.6.camel@desktop> Message-ID: Hi Jurgen: What is most likely happening is your host is limiting your hosting account to only being able to send out 250 e-mails per hour. This is a very common practice among web hosts. If this becomes a problem, then you can move your list(s) to our mailman service. We do not impose such limitations on our mailman clients. http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html Kind regards, Brian Carpenter -------------------------------------- EMWD - Executive Officer -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:23 PM To: Jurgen Gaeremyn; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Batch processing a mailing list... Jurgen Gaeremyn wrote: > >So, here's my question: I want to transfer a mailinglist to my new host >(Webhosting UK). >My list counts 750 members, but I'm recommended to (as they mailed me) >split the mail transfer up into batches of maximum 250 members at once, >with a 1 hour delay. > >I'm not really in the clear how I should do this... could you guys help >me out? Mailman doesn't do this. You can set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 250 in mm_cfg.py to make sure that no single SMTP transaction sends to more than 250 recipients, but Mailman will still send to all 750 members with as little delay as possible. It would be possible to modify Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py to keep track and not send to more than 250 recipients per hour, but that might result in large backlogs. Anyway, would this be your Mailman installation or the host's? If it's the host's, there's nothing you can do and what they seem to be telling you is they won't support lists with more than 250 members or more than 250 (posts X members) per hour. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brian%40emwd.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Oct 26 07:11:57 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:11:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delegated Administration In-Reply-To: <04817796C25A0A48BC3A659D1ADB646304864C59@NCOLV01VS1.ncocc-k12.org> References: <04817796C25A0A48BC3A659D1ADB646304864C59@NCOLV01VS1.ncocc-k12.org> Message-ID: On 10/25/07, Melick Andy wrote: > Does anyone have a prebuilt VMWare instance for MailMan? It seems as if > this program is a bear to configure? I just don't have the time unless > someone else has a quick and easy way to set this up. It would be much > easier to modify a running instance rather than configure from scratch. It's not "MailMan". It's "Mailman". Configuration-wise, it's about as simple to configure as you can get. You need to tell it what kind of mail server you're using, what hostname and domains it's going to serve, and most everything else can probably be taken from the built-in defaults. In many cases, all you'll need to add or change is about five lines in mm_cfg.py: MTA = 'Postfix' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.example.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.example.com' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' add_virtualhost('lists.example.com', 'lists.example.com') It doesn't get much simpler than that. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Oct 26 07:16:34 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:16:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting In-Reply-To: <4720C9C3.2060804@blazestudios.com> References: <4720C9C3.2060804@blazestudios.com> Message-ID: On 10/25/07, Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: > I see what you are saying. I'll write something to dig through my Exim > logs and see what I can come up with. Take a look at Splunk. For relatively small amounts of log data, it should be free to run as an experiment (to get an idea of what it can do for you), and this should probably be enough to give you the information you need. Also check out Lire from logreport.org. If you were running postfix or sendmail, I could point you at other log processing scripts I know of (including some I am responsible for maintaining),but I don't personally know of anything specific for Exim. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Oct 26 07:17:58 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:17:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Batch processing a mailing list... In-Reply-To: <1193344924.6610.6.camel@desktop> References: <1193344924.6610.6.camel@desktop> Message-ID: On 10/25/07, Jurgen Gaeremyn wrote: > So, here's my question: I want to transfer a mailinglist to my new host > (Webhosting UK). > My list counts 750 members, but I'm recommended to (as they mailed me) > split the mail transfer up into batches of maximum 250 members at once, > with a 1 hour delay. That's not something that Mailman can help you with. See FAQ 4.51. >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From lacoste_pierre at hotmail.fr Fri Oct 26 10:38:53 2007 From: lacoste_pierre at hotmail.fr (pierre lacoste) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:38:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest attachment links have Message-ID: Hello, I doesn?t find the option archive_html_sanitizer in my configuration liste web interface. Can you tell me if this option is recent modification ? regards Pierre _________________________________________________________________ Retrouvez Windows Live Messenger sur votre mobile ! http://www.messengersurvotremobile.com From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Oct 26 11:00:57 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:00:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest attachment links have In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/26/07, pierre lacoste wrote: > I doesn't find the option archive_html_sanitizer in my configuration liste > web interface. > > Can you tell me if this option is recent modification ? That wouldn't be on the web interface. That would be a configuration option you could put into your mm_cfg.py file, if you wanted to change the default value that is found in the Defaults.py file. But don't change the Defaults.py file itself, because that will get wiped out with the next re-install. Instead, make the necessary change in mm_cfg.py, which will over-ride what is in Defaults.py. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From lacoste_pierre at hotmail.fr Fri Oct 26 11:26:48 2007 From: lacoste_pierre at hotmail.fr (pierre lacoste) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:26:48 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest attachment links have In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, But the file mm_cfg.py is for all the list. How can I do for configure this value for one list only? Regards Pierre > On 10/26/07, pierre lacoste wrote: > > > I doesn't find the option archive_html_sanitizer in my configuration liste > > web interface. > > > > Can you tell me if this option is recent modification ? > > That wouldn't be on the web interface. That would be a configuration > option you could put into your mm_cfg.py file, if you wanted to > change the default value that is found in the Defaults.py file. > > But don't change the Defaults.py file itself, because that will get > wiped out with the next re-install. Instead, make the necessary > change in mm_cfg.py, which will over-ride what is in Defaults.py. > > -- > Brad Knowles > LinkedIn Profile: _________________________________________________________________ Vous ?tes plut?t Desperate ou LOST ? Personnalisez votre PC avec votre s?rie TV pr?f?r?e ! http://specials.divertissements.fr.msn.com/SeriesTV.aspx From myron at cs.moravian.edu Fri Oct 26 13:58:41 2007 From: myron at cs.moravian.edu (Myron Kowalski) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:58:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D0729B7-923B-4544-84FE-EB203FAFB3CD@cs.moravian.edu> On Oct 25, 2007, at 5:54 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Myron Kowalski wrote: > >> I noticed that messages were not going out to my mailing lists. When >> I restarted mailman, this comes up. Any mail sent to the list is >> being archived, >> but is not going to the members. >> >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/users/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? >> main() >> File "/users/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main >> qrunner.run() >> File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 65, in run >> filecnt = self._oneloop() >> File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 93, in _oneloop >> msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) >> File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 156, in >> dequeue >> data = self._ext_read(dbfile) >> File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 262, in >> _ext_read >> dict = marshal.load(fp) >> ValueError: bad marshal data >> >> I'm running mailman 2.1.9 and python 2.3.4. > > > Something is wrong here because the line numbers in Switchboard.py > look > like Mailman 2.1.4, and that was the last version of Switchboard.py > that had those statements in it anywhere. > I was wrong on the version. I downloaded 2.19 but didn't install it yet, so I am running 2.1.4. > Presumably, this is OutgoingRunner encountering the problem, because > IncomingRunner and ArchRunner both have to work for messages to be > archived. > > The problem may be as simple as some spurious file in qfiles/out > with a > .db extension. If there are .pck files in qfiles/out, and one .db > file, try moving the .db file aside. > I pretty ignorant as to what qfiles/out is all about. I checked and there are 1782 .pck files and 1781 .db files. I assume these are messages that have accumlated and can't be delivered and one of them is causing the problem. How do I find the one? > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > From myron at cs.moravian.edu Fri Oct 26 15:10:57 2007 From: myron at cs.moravian.edu (Myron Kowalski) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:10:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner error In-Reply-To: <7D0729B7-923B-4544-84FE-EB203FAFB3CD@cs.moravian.edu> References: <7D0729B7-923B-4544-84FE-EB203FAFB3CD@cs.moravian.edu> Message-ID: <49F58B71-B8FC-4CD0-8C59-DFBFD26EF0A8@cs.moravian.edu> On Oct 26, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Myron Kowalski wrote: > On Oct 25, 2007, at 5:54 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> Myron Kowalski wrote: >> >>> I noticed that messages were not going out to my mailing lists. When >>> I restarted mailman, this comes up. Any mail sent to the list is >>> being archived, >>> but is not going to the members. >>> >>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>> File "/users/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? >>> main() >>> File "/users/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main >>> qrunner.run() >>> File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 65, in run >>> filecnt = self._oneloop() >>> File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 93, in >>> _oneloop >>> msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) >>> File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 156, in >>> dequeue >>> data = self._ext_read(dbfile) >>> File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 262, in >>> _ext_read >>> dict = marshal.load(fp) >>> ValueError: bad marshal data >>> >>> I'm running mailman 2.1.9 and python 2.3.4. >> >> >> Something is wrong here because the line numbers in Switchboard.py >> look >> like Mailman 2.1.4, and that was the last version of Switchboard.py >> that had those statements in it anywhere. >> > > I was wrong on the version. I downloaded 2.19 but didn't install it > yet, so I am > running 2.1.4. > >> Presumably, this is OutgoingRunner encountering the problem, because >> IncomingRunner and ArchRunner both have to work for messages to be >> archived. >> >> The problem may be as simple as some spurious file in qfiles/out >> with a >> .db extension. If there are .pck files in qfiles/out, and one .db >> file, try moving the .db file aside. >> > > I pretty ignorant as to what qfiles/out is all about. I checked and > there are 1782 .pck files > and 1781 .db files. I assume these are messages that have accumlated > and can't be delivered > and one of them is causing the problem. How do I find the one? > I found one .pck out of place and move it. Restarted mailman with the same error. I moved the whole directory out of the way and restarted mailman-- same error. Any other suggestions? I have a lot of users knocking on my door. >> -- >> Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. >> Dylan >> > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% > 40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > myron%40cs.moravian.edu > > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? > req=show&file=faq01.027.htp From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Fri Oct 26 15:31:44 2007 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search tools Message-ID: Hi all, Are there any search tools for mailman archives at all? Tnx. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |If God has a plan for my life then I want to have Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |a little chat with the architect. Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From scry_mr at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 26 16:03:18 2007 From: scry_mr at yahoo.ca (Juan Miscaro) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass edit of subscriber addresses Message-ID: <710463.83969.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Is it possible to perform a mass edit of subscribers for a certain list? I found in my postfix logs about 20 such messages: warning: Illegal address syntax from localhost[127.0.0.1] in RCPT command: Notice the ' ' at the end of the recipient's address. I have no idea how that happened. Is there any way to correct the situation on the command line? Thank you in advance, // juan Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From jtp at cs.cmu.edu Fri Oct 26 16:19:13 2007 From: jtp at cs.cmu.edu (Jim Park) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:19:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrator Notification question Message-ID: <4721F761.8000702@cs.cmu.edu> All, I have yet another functionality question. If I subscribe a bad email address to a list, it doesn't bounce the welcome message to the list administrator so I have no way of knowing that it wasn't a valid address. Is that the expected behavior? And can tweak any settings to change this behavior? Thanks, -Jim Jim Park Sr. Help Desk Consultant SCS Computing facilities Help Desk School of Computer Science Carnegie Mellon University From brian at emwd.com Fri Oct 26 17:15:52 2007 From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:15:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass edit of subscriber addresses In-Reply-To: <710463.83969.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <710463.83969.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Juan: I believe that symbol represents a space at the end of the e-mail address. See http://www.sightspecific.com/~mosh/WWW_FAQ/nbsp.html. If there is only 20 of these addresses, you can just do a mass unsubscribe via the admin interface and re-subscribe them with the correction made. Kind regards, Brian Carpenter -------------------------------------- EMWD - Executive Officer -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Juan Miscaro Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:03 AM To: mailman Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass edit of subscriber addresses Is it possible to perform a mass edit of subscribers for a certain list? I found in my postfix logs about 20 such messages: warning: Illegal address syntax from localhost[127.0.0.1] in RCPT command: Notice the ' ' at the end of the recipient's address. I have no idea how that happened. Is there any way to correct the situation on the command line? Thank you in advance, // juan Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brian%40emwd.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp From myron at cs.moravian.edu Fri Oct 26 17:44:39 2007 From: myron at cs.moravian.edu (Myron Kowalski) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:44:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner error In-Reply-To: <49F58B71-B8FC-4CD0-8C59-DFBFD26EF0A8@cs.moravian.edu> References: <7D0729B7-923B-4544-84FE-EB203FAFB3CD@cs.moravian.edu> <49F58B71-B8FC-4CD0-8C59-DFBFD26EF0A8@cs.moravian.edu> Message-ID: I think I found the (a) problem. There was a corrupted .db and .pck file in the qfiles/virgin directory. After I deleted those files, mailman would start up w/o error messages. --myron ================================= Myron Kowalski MoCoSIN Network/Systems Administrator Moravian College myron at cs.moravian.edu On Oct 26, 2007, at 9:10 AM, Myron Kowalski wrote: > On Oct 26, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Myron Kowalski wrote: > >> On Oct 25, 2007, at 5:54 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >>> Myron Kowalski wrote: >>> >>>> I noticed that messages were not going out to my mailing lists. >>>> When >>>> I restarted mailman, this comes up. Any mail sent to the list is >>>> being archived, >>>> but is not going to the members. >>>> >>>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>>> File "/users/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? >>>> main() >>>> File "/users/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main >>>> qrunner.run() >>>> File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 65, in run >>>> filecnt = self._oneloop() >>>> File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 93, in >>>> _oneloop >>>> msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) >>>> File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 156, in >>>> dequeue >>>> data = self._ext_read(dbfile) >>>> File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 262, in >>>> _ext_read >>>> dict = marshal.load(fp) >>>> ValueError: bad marshal data >>>> >>>> I'm running mailman 2.1.9 and python 2.3.4. >>> >>> >>> Something is wrong here because the line numbers in Switchboard.py >>> look >>> like Mailman 2.1.4, and that was the last version of Switchboard.py >>> that had those statements in it anywhere. >>> >> >> I was wrong on the version. I downloaded 2.19 but didn't install it >> yet, so I am >> running 2.1.4. >> >>> Presumably, this is OutgoingRunner encountering the problem, because >>> IncomingRunner and ArchRunner both have to work for messages to be >>> archived. >>> >>> The problem may be as simple as some spurious file in qfiles/out >>> with a >>> .db extension. If there are .pck files in qfiles/out, and one .db >>> file, try moving the .db file aside. >>> >> >> I pretty ignorant as to what qfiles/out is all about. I checked and >> there are 1782 .pck files >> and 1781 .db files. I assume these are messages that have accumlated >> and can't be delivered >> and one of them is causing the problem. How do I find the one? >> > > I found one .pck out of place and move it. Restarted mailman with the > same error. > I moved the whole directory out of the way and restarted mailman-- > same error. > > Any other suggestions? I have a lot of users knocking on my door. > >>> -- >>> Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >>> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. >>> Dylan >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% >> 40python.org/ >> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ >> myron%40cs.moravian.edu >> >> Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? >> req=show&file=faq01.027.htp > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% > 40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > myron%40cs.moravian.edu > > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? > req=show&file=faq01.027.htp From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 26 17:59:34 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:59:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner error In-Reply-To: <7D0729B7-923B-4544-84FE-EB203FAFB3CD@cs.moravian.edu> Message-ID: Myron Kowalski wrote: >On Oct 25, 2007, at 5:54 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> Presumably, this is OutgoingRunner encountering the problem, because >> IncomingRunner and ArchRunner both have to work for messages to be >> archived. >> >> The problem may be as simple as some spurious file in qfiles/out >> with a >> .db extension. If there are .pck files in qfiles/out, and one .db >> file, try moving the .db file aside. >> > >I pretty ignorant as to what qfiles/out is all about. I checked and >there are 1782 .pck files >and 1781 .db files. I assume these are messages that have accumlated >and can't be delivered >and one of them is causing the problem. How do I find the one? In Mailman 2.1.4, queue entries are two files with the same base name and different extensions. The .db file contains the message metadata and the .pck file contains the message object. The first part of the file base name (before the '+') is the time (floating point seconds) that the message was queued. Messages are dequeued in order, so the problem file is the .db file that's first in numeric order. Move it and it's corresponding .pck aside. You can examine the files with bin/dumpdb, but the .db file will probably give an error. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 26 18:06:13 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:06:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner error In-Reply-To: <49F58B71-B8FC-4CD0-8C59-DFBFD26EF0A8@cs.moravian.edu> Message-ID: Myron Kowalski wrote: > >I found one .pck out of place and move it. Restarted mailman with the >same error. >I moved the whole directory out of the way and restarted mailman-- >same error. Originally, you said the messages were being archived, so that indicated that IncomingRunner and ArchRunner were processing the in/ and archive/ queues OK. Apparently only outgoing messages were affected so I focused on the out/ queue If you moved the entire out/queue aside and you are still getting errors, they are coming from another queue. Try running bin/dumpdb on the first .db file in each queue. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 26 18:18:34 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:18:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Myron Kowalski wrote: >I think I found the (a) problem. There was a corrupted .db and .pck >file in the >qfiles/virgin directory. After I deleted those files, mailman would >start up w/o error >messages. But I don't see that that would stop outgoing mail, so there may also be a problem in the out/ queue. Was that still moved aside, or did it process OK? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 26 18:21:11 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:21:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search tools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris Johnson wrote: > > Are there any search tools for mailman archives at all? Tnx. See . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 26 18:32:11 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:32:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass edit of subscriber addresses In-Reply-To: <710463.83969.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Juan Miscaro wrote: >Is it possible to perform a mass edit of subscribers for a certain >list? > >I found in my postfix logs about 20 such messages: > >warning: Illegal address syntax from localhost[127.0.0.1] in RCPT >command: > >Notice the ' ' at the end of the recipient's address. I have no >idea how that happened. > >Is there any way to correct the situation on the command line? bin/clone_member -r user at example.com  user at example.com You could also specify the '-l listname' to restrict the search/change to a single list, but other than the additional processing to search all lists, there is no problem not specifying a list. See bin/clone_member --help You could run a bunch of these commands in a shell script. Possibly these addresses were originally copied from a list in an HTML email and pasted into mass subscribe and that's how the   was picked up. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 26 19:19:03 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:19:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest attachment links have In-Reply-To: Message-ID: pierre lacoste wrote: > >But the file mm_cfg.py is for all the list. How can I do for configure this value for one list only? > >> On 10/26/07, pierre lacoste wrote: >> >> > I doesn't find the option archive_html_sanitizer in my configuration liste >> > web interface. You are correct that this is a site option. There is no corresponding list option. You would have to modify the code to implement one. The reason it is only a site option is that this option can be used to allow unescaped HTML email to be archived and potentially exposes visitors to the site to cross-site scripting attacks and other malicious HTML and therefore it should be up to site administrators, not list owners, to allow it or not. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From scry_mr at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 26 19:23:45 2007 From: scry_mr at yahoo.ca (Juan Miscaro) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass edit of subscriber addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <575486.45525.qm@web57615.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- Mark Sapiro wrote: > Juan Miscaro wrote: > > >Is it possible to perform a mass edit of subscribers for a certain > >list? > > > >I found in my postfix logs about 20 such messages: > > > >warning: Illegal address syntax from localhost[127.0.0.1] in RCPT > >command: > > > >Notice the ' ' at the end of the recipient's address. I have no > >idea how that happened. > > > >Is there any way to correct the situation on the command line? > > > bin/clone_member -r user at example.com  user at example.com > > You could also specify the '-l listname' to restrict the > search/change > to a single list, but other than the additional processing to search > all lists, there is no problem not specifying a list. > > See bin/clone_member --help > > You could run a bunch of these commands in a shell script. > > Possibly these addresses were originally copied from a list in an > HTML > email and pasted into mass subscribe and that's how the   was > picked up. Beautiful. Thank you. // juan Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 26 19:40:22 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:40:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrator Notification question In-Reply-To: <4721F761.8000702@cs.cmu.edu> Message-ID: Jim Park wrote: > I have yet another functionality question. If I subscribe a bad email >address to a list, it doesn't bounce the welcome message to the list >administrator so I have no way of knowing that it wasn't a valid >address. Is that the expected behavior? And can tweak any settings to >change this behavior? The welcome message like all list mail is sent with envelope from (and Sender: and Errors-To:) the listname-bounces address for automated bounce processing. If you want bounces to go to the owner instead you can redirect the listname-bounces address to listname-owner in the MTA. You can also adjust bounce processing settings so the first bounce causes a disable and the owner is notified. If this is only an occasional thing, you could check Mailman's bounce log or the user's options page after subscribing a user to see if a bounce was recorded (it may take up to 15 minutes after the bounce is received for it to be recorded). -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From anne.ramey at ncmail.net Fri Oct 26 22:22:00 2007 From: anne.ramey at ncmail.net (Anne Ramey) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:22:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47224C68.3070502@ncmail.net> > Way 2 is to modify scripts/post to log something. At the end of the > main() function following: > > inq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.INQUEUE_DIR) > inq.enqueue(sys.stdin.read(), > listname=listname, > tolist=1, _plaintext=1) > > add > > print >> sys.stderr, _('post to %(listname)s received and queued') > > > This will write the 'post to %(listname)s received and queued' message > with the listname filled in to both the error and post logs for every > post. This again will tell you if the post got to the post script. > > OK, I added this code, but I get this: Oct 26 16:18:41 2007 post(17996): post to %(listname)s received and queued in the error log (it doesn't replace the listname with the variable) and nothing in the post log. Did I do something wrong? def main(): # TBD: If you've configured your list or aliases so poorly as to get # either of these first two errors, there's little that can be done to # save your messages. They will be lost. Minimal testing of new lists # should avoid either of these problems. try: listname = sys.argv[1] except IndexError: print >> sys.stderr, _('post script got no listname.') sys.exit(1) # Make sure the list exists if not Utils.list_exists(listname): print >> sys.stderr, _('post script, list not found: %(listname)s') sys.exit(1) # Immediately queue the message for the incoming qrunner to process. The # advantage to this approach is that messages should never get lost -- # some MTAs have a hard limit to the time a filter prog can run. Postfix # is a good example; if the limit is hit, the proc is SIGKILL'd giving us # no chance to save the message. inq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.INQUEUE_DIR) inq.enqueue(sys.stdin.read(), listname=listname, tolist=1, _plaintext=1) print >> sys.stderr, _('post to %(listname)s received and queued') Anne From april.mar at comcast.net Fri Oct 26 23:39:10 2007 From: april.mar at comcast.net (April Mar) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:39:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd code when receive mail via mailman Message-ID: <174a01c81818$ab8cc3f0$020fa8c0@Desktop> I have a mailman list that is set to be a one way announcement list. I have had complaints from some people that they get this weird coded stuff when they get a message that looks something like this (I am making the actual numbers up) 03 42 32 20 53 A0 D0 23 23 50 D0 20 S0 "the body of the text D9 39 20 D2 19 10 12 22 39 30 40 29 19 is written oddly over here" Has anyone ever seen that. When I send the same person who is getting this odd code via the mailing list a test message directly from my own email it comes through just fine. It seems to only happen via the list, and not to all people. Thanks. April From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 26 23:40:43 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:40:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing message In-Reply-To: <47224C68.3070502@ncmail.net> Message-ID: Anne Ramey wrote: > >> Way 2 is to modify scripts/post to log something. At the end of the >> main() function following: >> >> inq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.INQUEUE_DIR) >> inq.enqueue(sys.stdin.read(), >> listname=listname, >> tolist=1, _plaintext=1) >> >> add >> >> print >> sys.stderr, _('post to %(listname)s received and queued') >> >> >> This will write the 'post to %(listname)s received and queued' message >> with the listname filled in to both the error and post logs for every >> post. This again will tell you if the post got to the post script. >> >> > > >OK, I added this code, but I get this: >Oct 26 16:18:41 2007 post(17996): post to %(listname)s received and queued >in the error log (it doesn't replace the listname with the variable) and >nothing in the post log. Did I do something wrong? Nothing in the post log is correct. I forgot what the LogStdErr("error", "post") call in the script does. I thought the second argument was a second log, but it's the identifying label. The non-replacement of %(listname)s with the name is puzzling. The i18n _() function should do this replacement. I copied the print directly from below and it worked for me. However, you could do the interpolation directly as in print >> sys.stderr, 'post to %s received and queued' % listname and that should work. >def main(): > # TBD: If you've configured your list or aliases so poorly as to get > # either of these first two errors, there's little that can be done to > # save your messages. They will be lost. Minimal testing of new lists > # should avoid either of these problems. > try: > listname = sys.argv[1] > except IndexError: > print >> sys.stderr, _('post script got no listname.') > sys.exit(1) > # Make sure the list exists > if not Utils.list_exists(listname): > print >> sys.stderr, _('post script, list not found: %(listname)s') > sys.exit(1) > # Immediately queue the message for the incoming qrunner to >process. The > # advantage to this approach is that messages should never get lost -- > # some MTAs have a hard limit to the time a filter prog can run. >Postfix > # is a good example; if the limit is hit, the proc is SIGKILL'd >giving us > # no chance to save the message. > inq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.INQUEUE_DIR) > inq.enqueue(sys.stdin.read(), > listname=listname, > tolist=1, _plaintext=1) > print >> sys.stderr, _('post to %(listname)s received and queued') > -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From randy at stex.net Fri Oct 26 23:49:19 2007 From: randy at stex.net (Randy Steck) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:49:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive deletion Message-ID: <002901c8181a$10978180$0701a8c0@Orion> I've search the mailing list archives, and the question of deleting old archives comes up repeatedly with unsatisfying answers. As far as I can tell, a list owner does not have an option to delete any archives. This needs to be done at the administration level and requires access to site resources. Since I don't have site access, the archives will continue to grow forever unless I turn them off completely. But, this does not help in bringing up new lists and allowing new subscribers to catch up, all while trying to keep junk off the disk. If this is correct, who can I talk to about making an option available to kill off outdated archives? Any pointers would be appreciated. RandyS From msapiro at value.net Sat Oct 27 00:38:39 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:38:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd code when receive mail via mailman In-Reply-To: <174a01c81818$ab8cc3f0$020fa8c0@Desktop> Message-ID: April Mar wrote: >I have a mailman list that is set to be a one way announcement list. I have had complaints from some people that they get this weird coded stuff when they get a message that looks something like this (I am making the actual numbers up) > >03 42 32 20 53 A0 D0 23 23 50 D0 20 S0 "the body of the text >D9 39 20 D2 19 10 12 22 39 30 40 29 19 is written oddly over here" > >Has anyone ever seen that. If there were = signs instead of spaces as in =03=42=32=20=53=A0=D0=23=23 ... that would be raw quoted-printable encoding. Possibly some MTA between Mailman and the end user is re-encoding the message body as quoted printable and the end user's MUA doesn't understand it. >When I send the same person who is getting this odd code via the mailing list a test message directly from my own email it comes through just fine. It seems to only happen via the list, and not to all people. What we would like to see to even guess what is happening is the raw message source of the message you receive from the list and the raw message source of the same message as received by the user who sees the strange encoding. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Oct 27 00:51:47 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:51:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive deletion In-Reply-To: <002901c8181a$10978180$0701a8c0@Orion> References: <002901c8181a$10978180$0701a8c0@Orion> Message-ID: On 10/26/07, Randy Steck wrote: > I've search the mailing list archives, and the question of deleting old > archives comes up repeatedly with unsatisfying answers. As far as I can > tell, a list owner does not have an option to delete any archives. This > needs to be done at the administration level and requires access to site > resources. Correct. > Since I don't have site access, the archives will continue to > grow forever unless I turn them off completely. But, this does not help in > bringing up new lists and allowing new subscribers to catch up, all while > trying to keep junk off the disk. You would need to talk to your site administrator. If they're not providing you the support you require, you might want to think about whether or not you want to move to a different site. > If this is correct, who can I talk to about making an option available to > kill off outdated archives? The best thing would be for you to create a patch that does what you want, then upload that to the appropriate Mailman patch page on SourceForge. Or, you could pay someone to do that. Otherwise, you can file your Request For Enhancement on the Mailman RFE page on SourceForge, and depending on the priority of other things and whatever other work is being done at the time by the Mailman developers, that RFE might or might not get resolved at some point in time in the future. But this is an open source project, and the rule with open source projects is that the quickest way to get your particular problem resolved is to come up with the proposed code and provide that to the developers. If the code is written in the appropriate style, and can be easily folded into future release engineering work, then you're basically just playing a waiting game. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From mj at mattiasweb.net Sun Oct 28 21:32:57 2007 From: mj at mattiasweb.net (mattias) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:32:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! Message-ID: <000001c819a1$c1170700$3071940a@jonsson> I created a mailing list with mailman But instead of my domain the listadress are Mailman at 81-233-117-119-no78.tbcn.telia.com What are wrong?? --- mattias jonsson hemsida: www.mattiasweb.net mail: mj at mattiasweb.net ekeskolans gamla hemsida http://web.archive.org/web/19990908081633/http://www.ekeskolan.specialskolor na.se/index.html From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 29 00:29:12 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:29:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! In-Reply-To: <000001c819a1$c1170700$3071940a@jonsson> Message-ID: mattias wrote: >I created a mailing list with mailman >But instead of my domain the listadress are >Mailman at 81-233-117-119-no78.tbcn.telia.com >What are wrong?? Where are you seeing this address? It could be an MTA/DNS issue, see . It could be a Mailman configuration issue, see . We need to know where you are seeing the address in order to give a more complete answer. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mj at mattiasweb.net Mon Oct 29 09:43:53 2007 From: mj at mattiasweb.net (mattias) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:43:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c81a07$e56083a0$642c970a@jonsson> Ok i think i have find my answer Thanks anyway --- mattias jonsson hemsida: www.mattiasweb.net mail: mj at mattiasweb.net ekeskolans gamla hemsida http://web.archive.org/web/19990908081633/http://www.ekeskolan.specialskolor na.se/index.html -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net] Skickat: den 29 oktober 2007 00:29 Till: mattias; mailman-users at python.org ?mne: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help! mattias wrote: >I created a mailing list with mailman >But instead of my domain the listadress are >Mailman at 81-233-117-119-no78.tbcn.telia.com >What are wrong?? Where are you seeing this address? It could be an MTA/DNS issue, see . It could be a Mailman configuration issue, see . We need to know where you are seeing the address in order to give a more complete answer. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mj at mattiasweb.net Mon Oct 29 11:35:01 2007 From: mj at mattiasweb.net (mattias) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:35:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c81a17$5ce2da40$fd75890a@jonsson> where can i find a list of mm_cfg.py variables? --- mattias jonsson hemsida: www.mattiasweb.net mail: mj at mattiasweb.net ekeskolans gamla hemsida http://web.archive.org/web/19990908081633/http://www.ekeskolan.specialskolor na.se/index.html -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: Guilherme Funchal [mailto:guilherme.funchal at gmail.com] Skickat: den 29 oktober 2007 11:32 Till: mattias ?mne: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help! Hi See in mm_cfg.py variables... DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 2007/10/28, mattias : I created a mailing list with mailman But instead of my domain the listadress are Mailman at 81-233-117-119-no78.tbcn.telia.com What are wrong?? --- mattias jonsson hemsida: www.mattiasweb.net mail: mj at mattiasweb.net ekeskolans gamla hemsida http://web.archive.org/web/19990908081633/http://www.ekeskolan.specialskolor na.se/index.html ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/guilherme.funchal%40gma il.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show &file=faq01.027.htp -- "Tristeza n?o tem fim...Felicidade sim." ============================== Guilherme Funchal da Silva .`. LPI Level 2 Certification From montgoss+mailman at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 12:35:10 2007 From: montgoss+mailman at gmail.com (montgoss) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 04:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned Message-ID: <13461150.post@talk.nabble.com> I setup a new list. But the messages aren't going through. I get a "returned mail" with the following: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 550 5.1.1 User unknown) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown I have no clue what that error means. And none of my searching turned up a solution that worked for me. Thanks, Steven -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Posts-to-list-returned-tf4709439.html#a13461150 Sent from the Mailman - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jumper99 at gmx.de Mon Oct 29 12:54:37 2007 From: jumper99 at gmx.de (Helmut Schneider) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:54:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named _md5 Message-ID: <01f901c81a22$7b0e3cc0$609b65c1@vpe.de> Hi, I'm running mailman 2.1.9 chrooted. Recently FreeBSD switched from Python2.4 to Python2.5 as default. As an effect mailman won't start anymore using Python2.5: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 107, in from Mailman import Utils File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in import sha File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/sha.py", line 6, in from hashlib import sha1 as sha File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py", line 133, in md5 = __get_builtin_constructor('md5') File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py", line 60, in __get_builtin_constructor import _md5 ImportError: No module named _md5 What did I miss? I suspect that some additional files need to be copied to the jail but which ones? Using Python2.4 mailman still works fine. Thanks, Helmut From qa.oscpro at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 13:17:23 2007 From: qa.oscpro at gmail.com (QA Engg) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:47:23 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-User] Problem About mailman GUI Message-ID: <55654bdd0710290517h68f8299fmf0acd66746ff7884@mail.gmail.com> hi, 1. Configured mailman using command * sudo ./congigure ?with-gid-id=1000* and configuration is successful for above 2. I installed mailman from repository and start mailman using command * sudo /etc/init.d/mailman start* mailman is started successfully how could I get mailman GUI I'm very much new for mailman and linux please tell me the procedure what to do next and how to get mailman GUI Regards smita From massmailer at iancoetzee.za.net Mon Oct 29 13:57:33 2007 From: massmailer at iancoetzee.za.net (Ian) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:57:33 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem sending mail through Mailing list Message-ID: <4725D8BD.8020604@iancoetzee.za.net> Hi I am having a small headache with our mailman server. I recently created a new mailing list and put in 2 email addresses, the problem however is that whenever I send an email to the list, as a subscriber, it sends the email to a whole other email address that I cant seem to locate in any of the config files, I did a grep for the file.. The problem started after we migrated everything over to a new server. All the lists that was created on the previous server still works. Can anyone tell me which config file(s) I should post in order for someone to be able to help me. Your help will be much appreciated Regards Ian From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 29 15:58:49 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:58:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! In-Reply-To: <000201c81a17$5ce2da40$fd75890a@jonsson> Message-ID: mattias wrote: >where can i find a list of mm_cfg.py variables? In Defaults.py -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 29 16:01:03 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:01:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned In-Reply-To: <13461150.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: montgoss wrote: > >I setup a new list. But the messages aren't going through. I get a >"returned mail" with the following: > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > (reason: 550 5.1.1 User unknown) Did you install MTA aliases for the new list? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dragon at crimson-dragon.com Mon Oct 29 15:54:07 2007 From: dragon at crimson-dragon.com (Dragon) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:54:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! In-Reply-To: <000201c81a17$5ce2da40$fd75890a@jonsson> References: <000201c81a17$5ce2da40$fd75890a@jonsson> Message-ID: <200710291451.l9TEoZSG018233@unreal.eroded.org> mattias wrote: >where can i find a list of mm_cfg.py variables? > ---------------- End original message. --------------------- Read the comments in Defaults.py they will tell you what you can set in mm_cfg.py Dragon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dragon at crimson-dragon.com Mon Oct 29 15:56:24 2007 From: dragon at crimson-dragon.com (Dragon) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:56:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-User] Problem About mailman GUI In-Reply-To: <55654bdd0710290517h68f8299fmf0acd66746ff7884@mail.gmail.co m> References: <55654bdd0710290517h68f8299fmf0acd66746ff7884@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200710291453.l9TEqqM8018268@unreal.eroded.org> QA Engg sent the message below at 05:17 10/29/2007: >how could I get mailman GUI >I'm very much new for mailman and linux >please tell me the procedure what to do next >and how to get mailman GUI ---------------- End original message. --------------------- There is no such thing. Mailman uses a set of command line tools and a web interface but there is no GUI that controls Mailman. Dragon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From montgoss+mailman at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 16:57:01 2007 From: montgoss+mailman at gmail.com (montgoss) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned In-Reply-To: References: <13461150.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <13470534.post@talk.nabble.com> Possibly. How do I check? Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Did you install MTA aliases for the new list? > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Posts-to-list-returned-tf4709439.html#a13470534 Sent from the Mailman - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 29 16:59:40 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:59:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-User] Problem About mailman GUI In-Reply-To: <200710291453.l9TEqqM8018268@unreal.eroded.org> Message-ID: Dragon wrote: >QA Engg sent the message below at 05:17 10/29/2007: > >>how could I get mailman GUI >>I'm very much new for mailman and linux >>please tell me the procedure what to do next >>and how to get mailman GUI >---------------- End original message. --------------------- > >There is no such thing. Mailman uses a set of command line tools and >a web interface but there is no GUI that controls Mailman. I think he means the web interface. The answer is to read the section in the Mailman Installation Manual on setting up your web server . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 29 17:16:36 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:16:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned In-Reply-To: <13470534.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: montgoss wrote: > >Possibly. How do I check? > > >Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> Did you install MTA aliases for the new list? What is your incoming MTA? Some MTA's (e.g., exim) can be configured to deliver mail to Mailman programatically and don't use aliases. Postfix can be integrated with Mailman so that Mailman manages list aliases automatically. Sendmail requires you to manually install aliases for each Mailman list in /etc/aliases. Other MTA's may have other requirements. So what is your situation? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com Mon Oct 29 17:20:21 2007 From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:20:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mac OS X Leopard upgrade experience Message-ID: Wasting no time, I experiemented over the weekend with upgrading a clone of my test server (Power PC) from Mac OS X Tiger (10.4.x) to Leopard (10.5). It was not as smooth as could be and a number of configuration changes were needed and I still have a startup problem. However, once I work around the startup issue (#5 below), it all seems to be working. 1) Apple has changed all the application specific user IDs from ZZZ to _ZZZ (e.g. mailman becomes _mailman). This requires changes to Postfix (not a Mailman topic per se) and requires Mailman to be reconfigured and remade. 2) Xinetd is gone. If mailman or anything else was still being started via xinetd, it needs to be changed to start with launchd (launchd was introduced with Tiger). 3) Apache is now Apache2. The configuration file is /etc/apache2/httpd.conf rather than /etc/httpd/httpd.conf. Customizations in /etc/httpd/httpd/conf are not migrated. In addition, tighter directory security in Apache2 requires additional customizations to allow access to the Mailman directories (sorry, I don't have them handy to include in this note) 4) System shutdown does not seem to shutdown mailman cleanly anymore requiring a 'mailmanctl -s start' to get mailman going. I've changed my launchd startup file to add the -s. That obviously adds some risk but at least for my environment, it's minimal. 5) Startup is intermittently(?) failing due to what seems to be a Leopard, not mailman, issue. I'm not at all sure what that "Stray process" message means and have not turned up anything useful in a web search. Oct 29 07:36:46 Leoptest mailman[56]: Starting Mailman's master qrunner. Oct 29 07:36:46 Leoptest com.apple.launchd[1] (mailman[56]): Stray process with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 83 PPID 1 Python Nothing appears in the mailman logs but unless I'm mistaken, the "Starting Mailman's ..." message comes from mailmanctl so mailmanctl is launching but then dying with that "Stray process" error. The Leopard provided version of Python 2.5.1 and I have mailman 2.1.9. -- Larry Stone lstone19 at stonejongleux.com From montgoss+mailman at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 17:39:29 2007 From: montgoss+mailman at gmail.com (Steven **) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:39:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned In-Reply-To: References: <13470534.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: I am using Sendmail. My "/etc/alias" file has: ## mailman mailing list mailman: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" mailman-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman" mailman-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman" mailman-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman" mailman-join: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman" mailman-leave: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman" mailman-owner: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman" mailman-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman" mailman-subscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman" mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman" The list "list" was created through the web interface. Am I supposed to manually add similar entries for my new "list at my-domain.com" list? -Steven On 10/29/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > montgoss wrote: > > > >Possibly. How do I check? > > > > > >Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> > >> Did you install MTA aliases for the new list? > > > What is your incoming MTA? Some MTA's (e.g., exim) can be configured to > deliver mail to Mailman programatically and don't use aliases. Postfix > can be integrated with Mailman so that Mailman manages list aliases > automatically. Sendmail requires you to manually install aliases for > each Mailman list in /etc/aliases. Other MTA's may have other > requirements. > > So what is your situation? > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 29 17:50:13 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:50:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named _md5 In-Reply-To: <01f901c81a22$7b0e3cc0$609b65c1@vpe.de> Message-ID: Helmut Schneider wrote: > >I'm running mailman 2.1.9 chrooted. Recently FreeBSD switched from Python2.4 >to Python2.5 as default. As an effect mailman won't start anymore using >Python2.5: > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 107, in > from Mailman import Utils > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in > import sha > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/sha.py", line 6, in > from hashlib import sha1 as sha > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py", line 133, in > md5 = __get_builtin_constructor('md5') > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py", line 60, in >__get_builtin_constructor > import _md5 >ImportError: No module named _md5 > >What did I miss? I suspect that some additional files need to be copied to >the jail but which ones? Using Python2.4 mailman still works fine. I had a similar if not the identical problem when I upgraded from python 2.4 to 2.5 on a test system under cygwin (no chroot). It turned out that Python 2.4 had been installed with prefix = /usr (library in /usr/lib/python2.4) and Python 2.5 was installed with prefix = /usr/local (library in /usr/local/lib/python2.5). I think I could have fixed it with a few symlinks, but I wound up removing and reinstalling python 2.5 with prefix = /usr. Perhaps this will help you figure out what you need to do. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dragon at crimson-dragon.com Mon Oct 29 17:56:40 2007 From: dragon at crimson-dragon.com (Dragon) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:56:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned In-Reply-To: References: <13470534.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <200710291653.l9TGr7mu019499@unreal.eroded.org> Steven ** sent the message below at 09:39 10/29/2007: >I am using Sendmail. My "/etc/alias" file has: > ## mailman mailing list > mailman: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" > mailman-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman" > mailman-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman" > mailman-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman" > mailman-join: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman" > mailman-leave: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman" > mailman-owner: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman" > mailman-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman" > mailman-subscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman" > mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman" > >The list "list" was created through the web interface. Am I supposed >to manually add similar entries for my new "list at my-domain.com" list? ---------------- End original message. --------------------- Yes, you need to add these to the /etc/aliases file and then run newaliases for sendmail to recognize them. When you create a new list with bin/newlist it will output a list of the aliases you need for the list. They must also be added to the aliases file and newaliases must be run. Dragon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 29 18:18:46 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:18:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steven wrote: >I am using Sendmail. My "/etc/alias" file has: > ## mailman mailing list > mailman: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" > mailman-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman" > mailman-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman" > mailman-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman" > mailman-join: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman" > mailman-leave: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman" > mailman-owner: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman" > mailman-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman" > mailman-subscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman" > mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman" > >The list "list" was created through the web interface. Am I supposed >to manually add similar entries for my new "list at my-domain.com" list? Yes. Every list needs a set of 10 aliases like the above with the first and last occurrences of 'mailman' in each alias replaced with the list name as in listname: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post listname" listname-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin listname" etc. As Dragon says, if you create a list with bin/newlist, newlist will tell you about the aliases, and if you create the list via the web, Mailman will email the required aliases to mailman-owner which will go to the owner of the 'mailman' list. This assumes that you haven't overridden the default MTA = 'Manual' setting in mm_cfg.py. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From anne.ramey at ncmail.net Mon Oct 29 19:00:38 2007 From: anne.ramey at ncmail.net (Anne Ramey) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:00:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47261FC6.1070207@ncmail.net> Mark Sapiro wrote: > Anne Ramey wrote: > > >> >> >>> Way 2 is to modify scripts/post to log something. At the end of the >>> main() function following: >>> >>> inq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.INQUEUE_DIR) >>> inq.enqueue(sys.stdin.read(), >>> listname=listname, >>> tolist=1, _plaintext=1) >>> >>> add >>> >>> print >> sys.stderr, _('post to %(listname)s received and queued') >>> >>> >>> This will write the 'post to %(listname)s received and queued' message >>> with the listname filled in to both the error and post logs for every >>> post. This again will tell you if the post got to the post script. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> OK, I added this code, but I get this: >> Oct 26 16:18:41 2007 post(17996): post to %(listname)s received and queued >> in the error log (it doesn't replace the listname with the variable) and >> nothing in the post log. Did I do something wrong? >> > > > Nothing in the post log is correct. I forgot what the > LogStdErr("error", "post") call in the script does. I thought the > second argument was a second log, but it's the identifying label. > > The non-replacement of %(listname)s with the name is puzzling. The i18n > _() function should do this replacement. I copied the print directly > from below and it worked for me. However, you could do the > interpolation directly as in > > print >> sys.stderr, 'post to %s received and queued' % listname > > and that should work. > > > I tried this and he re-sent the problem child message this morning. I got the message in the error log that it was received and queued for both list1 and list2, but it only went out to list2. There is only the one entry in the post log (for list 2), and the message never was received by the list1 membership. He later resent (forwarded) the message to only list1 and it went through fine. This tells me that Mailman is correctly receiving the message from exim, queuing it up, then it vanishes and never gets posted. Here was the problem: I was Bcc'd on the message and these are what the headers looked like (I've taken out the received headers) Return-Path: Message-ID: <46C825AF004B2D8E at myserver> (added by postmaster at ncmail.net) From: "sender" To: Cc: "'person1'" , "'person2'" , "'List2'" Subject: [ITS.CAB] Agenda Change Advisory Board - Oct 30,2007 3:30pm - CCS Conference room Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:39:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C81A17.FEDB8B30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-SeenV-Signature: 380cab9dbfff031d1ef4ebe96869db18 X-BeenThere: List1 at lists.ncmail.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9rc1 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acfu5oRLJ2rqVU9SRmCpWPWGXW+9IA== He was copying a message from before that he had received, editting it and sending it to the list, so it already had the x-been-there headers. I'd never run into this before, so I thank Mark very much for recommending the BCC. Thanks for all the help, Anne From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Mon Oct 29 18:02:55 2007 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:02:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mac OS X Leopard upgrade experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68073540625B1F19567F56CD@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de> Hi, I run Mailman on Linux servers, so I can't actually speak from experiemce, but I'm a longtime Mac user on the desktop and have followed the launchd migration. --On 29. Oktober 2007 11:20:21 -0500 Larry Stone wrote: > 4) System shutdown does not seem to shutdown mailman cleanly anymore > requiring a 'mailmanctl -s start' to get mailman going. I've changed my > launchd startup file to add the -s. That obviously adds some risk but at > least for my environment, it's minimal. I wonder if the shutdown couldn't be made clean. I don't know if there's a hook for launchd clients or if Apple uses a certain signal to terminate processes on shutdown, but I think it *must* be possible to handle this. > 5) Startup is intermittently(?) failing due to what seems to be a Leopard, > not mailman, issue. I'm not at all sure what that "Stray process" message > means and have not turned up anything useful in a web search. > > Oct 29 07:36:46 Leoptest mailman[56]: Starting Mailman's master qrunner. > Oct 29 07:36:46 Leoptest com.apple.launchd[1] (mailman[56]): Stray process > with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 83 PPID 1 Python > > Nothing appears in the mailman logs but unless I'm mistaken, the "Starting > Mailman's ..." message comes from mailmanctl so mailmanctl is launching > but then dying with that "Stray process" error. I haven't heard about that but it seems to me as though launchd notices that the new process is in the same process group as a previous one that's died. I suppose that's why it considers the new one a "stray process". A workaround might be to force a new process group during startup, e.g. setsid(2) or setpgid(2) ... -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:. Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK .:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:. .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:. From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 29 19:07:55 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:07:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem sending mail through Mailing list In-Reply-To: <4725D8BD.8020604@iancoetzee.za.net> Message-ID: Ian wrote: > >I recently created a new mailing list and put in 2 email addresses, the >problem however is that whenever I send an email to the list, as a >subscriber, it sends the email to a whole other email address that I >cant seem to locate in any of the config files, I did a grep for the file.. > >The problem started after we migrated everything over to a new server. > >All the lists that was created on the previous server still works. Assuming the list has just the 2 members and the list mail is being sent to others, I'm guessing that the MTA is delivering the mail to this list to a different list or perhaps to a different Mailman installation. Did you perhaps make MTA aliases for this list by editing other aliases incompletely. E.g., by copying list1: "|/path/to/mail/mailman post list1" etc. and changing them to list2: "|/path/to/mail/mailman post list1" etc. instead of list2: "|/path/to/mail/mailman post list2" etc. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From rosenbaumlm at ornl.gov Mon Oct 29 19:02:58 2007 From: rosenbaumlm at ornl.gov (Rosenbaum, Larry M.) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:02:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can admin subscribe users via e-mail? Message-ID: <43C68785C2728049AF86B0ECB240A15105DC0E882C@EXCHMB.ornl.gov> We are migrating our lists from Majordomo to Mailman. Some list owners have been subscribing users to their lists by sending emails which contain lines like this: approve listname Does Mailman have an equivalent way for list admins to subscribe users via the email interface? If so, how is it done? Thanks, Larry From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Oct 29 19:16:38 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:16:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned In-Reply-To: <13461150.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <13461150.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 10/29/07, montgoss wrote: > I have no clue what that error means. And none of my searching turned up a > solution that worked for me. That's an alias problem. Depending on which MTA you use and how you integrate your MTA into Mailman, you will need to fix your aliases. Go back to the Mailman installation documentation section on MTA integration, at . -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Oct 29 19:19:22 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:19:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-User] Problem About mailman GUI In-Reply-To: <55654bdd0710290517h68f8299fmf0acd66746ff7884@mail.gmail.com> References: <55654bdd0710290517h68f8299fmf0acd66746ff7884@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/29/07, QA Engg wrote: > how could I get mailman GUI > I'm very much new for mailman and linux > please tell me the procedure what to do next > and how to get mailman GUI The only GUI for Mailman is the web interface, and that doesn't cover all of the things you may want/need to do. For the rest, the only option is to use the command-line. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Oct 29 19:22:54 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:22:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem sending mail through Mailing list In-Reply-To: <4725D8BD.8020604@iancoetzee.za.net> References: <4725D8BD.8020604@iancoetzee.za.net> Message-ID: On 10/29/07, Ian wrote: > The problem started after we migrated everything over to a new server. > > All the lists that was created on the previous server still works. Check your aliases. Odds are that you copied over all the files in /usr/local/mailman (or wherever your system puts all the Mailman-specific configuration files), but you didn't copy over the Mailman-specific aliases for your MTA. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Oct 29 19:26:48 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:26:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named _md5 In-Reply-To: <01f901c81a22$7b0e3cc0$609b65c1@vpe.de> References: <01f901c81a22$7b0e3cc0$609b65c1@vpe.de> Message-ID: On 10/29/07, Helmut Schneider wrote: > I'm running mailman 2.1.9 chrooted. Recently FreeBSD switched from Python2.4 > to Python2.5 as default. As an effect mailman won't start anymore using > Python2.5: I believe that Mailman 2.1.9 requires Python 2.4, preferably the latest release of Python 2.4. When they went to Python version 2.5, my understanding is that they broke some things that Mailman depends on. I believe that Mailman 2.1.10 will probably be compatible with Python 2.5, but until then your only choice is to either downgrade the system to Python 2.4, or to install a second copy of Python 2.4 and rebuild Mailman to explicitly point to that alternative version. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 29 20:29:31 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:29:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can admin subscribe users via e-mail? In-Reply-To: <43C68785C2728049AF86B0ECB240A15105DC0E882C@EXCHMB.ornl.gov> Message-ID: Rosenbaum, Larry M. wrote: >We are migrating our lists from Majordomo to Mailman. Some list owners have been subscribing users to their lists by sending emails which contain lines like this: > >approve listname > >Does Mailman have an equivalent way for list admins to subscribe users via the email interface? If so, how is it done? No. The list admin can send the command subscribe [password] [digest|nodigest] [address=
] to the list-request address, but this is a user subscribe request. the password if any is the user password to set for the user. This request is still subject to whatever confirmation/approval is required by the list for new subscriptions, and there is no way for the admin to pre-approve it or bypass the user confirmation email if any. I think I may have indicated in a previous thread that if the subscription required admin approval, that could be done by email, but I just checked and that is not the case. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From troy.campbell at fedex.com Mon Oct 29 19:40:57 2007 From: troy.campbell at fedex.com (Troy Campbell) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:40:57 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mmdsr question Message-ID: <47262939.8070801@fedex.com> I'm trying to figure out how to find out the location of my queue directory e.g., for the mmdsr script: QUEUEDIR="/var/lib/mailman/qfiles" Thanks Troy From jumper99 at gmx.de Mon Oct 29 20:51:46 2007 From: jumper99 at gmx.de (Helmut Schneider) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:51:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named _md5 References: Message-ID: <02ba01c81a65$234ee050$609b65c1@vpe.de> From: "Mark Sapiro" > Helmut Schneider wrote: >>I'm running mailman 2.1.9 chrooted. Recently FreeBSD switched from > Python2.4 to Python2.5 as default. As an effect mailman won't start > anymore using Python2.5: >>Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 107, in >> from Mailman import Utils >> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in >> import sha >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/sha.py", line 6, in >> from hashlib import sha1 as sha >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py", line 133, in >> md5 = __get_builtin_constructor('md5') >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py", line 60, in >>__get_builtin_constructor >> import _md5 >>ImportError: No module named _md5 >>What did I miss? I suspect that some additional files need to be copied to >>the jail but which ones? Using Python2.4 mailman still works fine. > I had a similar if not the identical problem when I upgraded from > python 2.4 to 2.5 on a test system under cygwin (no chroot). > It turned out that Python 2.4 had been installed with prefix = /usr > (library in /usr/lib/python2.4) and Python 2.5 was installed with > prefix = /usr/local (library in /usr/local/lib/python2.5). > I think I could have fixed it with a few symlinks, but I wound up > removing and reinstalling python 2.5 with prefix = /usr. > Perhaps this will help you figure out what you need to do. It helped, yes, but I don't know how to solve it :) When I start mailman non-chrooted python requests md5.py while when chrooted it tries to access _md5.py. That only happens with md5, e.g. sha1 is not effected. [root at BSDHelmut ~]# ktrace -id /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mailman start Site list is missing: mailman [root at BSDHelmut ~]# kdump -sf ./ktrace.out | grep md5 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/md5" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/md5.so" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/md5module.so" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/md5.py" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/md5.pyc" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/md5" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/md5.so" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/md5module.so" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/md5.py" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/md5.pyc" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/md5" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/md5.so" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/md5module.so" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/md5.py" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/md5.pyc" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/bin/md5" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/bin/md5.so" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/bin/md5module.so" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/bin/md5.py" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/bin/md5.pyc" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/md5" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/md5.so" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/md5module.so" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/md5.py" 22569 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/md5.pyc" [root at BSDHelmut ~]# ktrace -id /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mailman-chroot start Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 107, in from Mailman import Utils File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in import sha File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/sha.py", line 6, in from hashlib import sha1 as sha File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py", line 133, in md5 = __get_builtin_constructor('md5') File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py", line 60, in __get_builtin_constructor import _md5 File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/_md5.py", line 6, in from hashlib import md5 ImportError: cannot import name md5 [root at BSDHelmut ~]# kdump -sf ./ktrace.out | grep md5 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/_md5" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/_md5.so" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/_md5module.so" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/_md5.py" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/_md5.pyc" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/_md5" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/_md5.so" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/_md5module.so" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/_md5.py" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/_md5.pyc" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/bin/_md5" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/bin/_md5.so" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/bin/_md5module.so" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/bin/_md5.py" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/mailman/bin/_md5.pyc" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/_md5" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/_md5.so" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/_md5module.so" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/_md5.py" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/_md5.pyc" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/_md5.pyc" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/_md5.pyc" 22576 python2.5 NAMI "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/_md5.py" [root at BSDHelmut ~]# From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 29 20:52:12 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:52:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mmdsr question In-Reply-To: <47262939.8070801@fedex.com> Message-ID: Troy Campbell wrote: >I'm trying to figure out how to find out the location of my queue >directory e.g., >for the mmdsr script: > >QUEUEDIR="/var/lib/mailman/qfiles" Look in mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py for a definition of QUEUE_DIR. If this is a RedHat FHS compliant package, it's "/var/spool/mailman/" (no 'qfiles' directory). -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Oct 29 20:59:01 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:59:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mmdsr question In-Reply-To: <47262939.8070801@fedex.com> References: <47262939.8070801@fedex.com> Message-ID: On 10/29/07, Troy Campbell wrote: > I'm trying to figure out how to find out the location of my queue > directory e.g., > for the mmdsr script: > > QUEUEDIR="/var/lib/mailman/qfiles" That all depends on where your version of Mailman is configured to store those files. If you downloaded and installed the version of Mailman from our official sources (see ), then the location would be "/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/". However, if you instead installed from a binary package that was built by someone else, you'd need to find out where they put that stuff. Somewhere under /var is a good guess, but unless you find someone who's installed the same binary package of Mailman on the same platform, then you're left with doing a command like: # find /var -name qfiles -print And hope that catches it. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From msapiro at value.net Mon Oct 29 21:54:15 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:54:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mmdsr question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: > > # find /var -name qfiles -print > >And hope that catches it. That usually gets it, but in the RedHat FHS compliant package, the directory isn't named 'qfiles', so # find /var -name virgin -print might be more successful. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Oct 29 22:07:25 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:07:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mmdsr question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/29/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > That usually gets it, but in the RedHat FHS compliant package, the > directory isn't named 'qfiles', so D'oh! > # find /var -name virgin -print > > might be more successful. Just goes to show you how much I know about Red Hat.... /me -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Oct 29 22:21:09 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:21:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mmdsr question In-Reply-To: <47264B3A.4000603@fedex.com> References: <47264B3A.4000603@fedex.com> Message-ID: On 10/29/07, Troy Campbell wrote: > When there are new updates to this report script how might we know? If I make any further updates to the script, I will post about them to the mailman-users list. I'll also make sure that the version available for download via the "patches" link is updated, and I'll work with Mark to make sure that the version you get in contrib/ is also updated. > Are you going to send notices out periodically to this list? Periodically? No. But if I make any further changes, yes. BTW, since I'm expecting Mailman 2.1.10 to be released soon, this might be a good time for people to chime in with enhancements they'd like to see made to mmdsr. It would be nice to get this updated before 2.1.10 gets released. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From troy.campbell at fedex.com Mon Oct 29 22:06:02 2007 From: troy.campbell at fedex.com (Troy Campbell) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:06:02 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mmdsr question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47264B3A.4000603@fedex.com> Thanks alot for the info Mark and the script Brad! It was "/var/spool/mailman" in my case. Useful information.. When there are new updates to this report script how might we know? Are you going to send notices out periodically to this list? Thanks Troy on 10/29/2007 02:54 PM Mark Sapiro said the following: > Brad Knowles wrote: > >> # find /var -name qfiles -print >> >> And hope that catches it. >> > > > That usually gets it, but in the RedHat FHS compliant package, the > directory isn't named 'qfiles', so > > # find /var -name virgin -print > > might be more successful. > > From brenn65 at shaw.ca Mon Oct 29 23:17:11 2007 From: brenn65 at shaw.ca (Brenn Kapitan) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:17:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Issues with the unsubscribe feature of this list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006601c81a79$741976d0$baa55018@brenn> Hi there, My client has chosen not to use this software and I have tried to unsubscribe, yet I still receive daily messages. Attached is my confirmation of my removal from the list from your server. Thank you Brenn Kapitan -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+brenn65=shaw.ca at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+brenn65=shaw.ca at python.org] On Behalf Of mailman-users-request at python.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:19 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 44, Issue 44 Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to mailman-users at python.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mailman-users-request at python.org You can reach the person managing the list at mailman-users-owner at python.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." From msapiro at value.net Tue Oct 30 01:16:16 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:16:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Issues with the unsubscribe feature of this list In-Reply-To: <006601c81a79$741976d0$baa55018@brenn> Message-ID: Brenn Kapitan wrote: > >My client has chosen not to use this software and I have tried to >unsubscribe, yet I still receive daily messages. Attached is my confirmation >of my removal from the list from your server. > >Thank you > >Brenn Kapitan > >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-bounces+brenn65=shaw.ca at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+brenn65=shaw.ca at python.org] On Behalf Of >mailman-users-request at python.org >Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:19 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 44, Issue 44 > This is not a confirmation of anything. It is the first portion of todays digest. I just now went to and requested unsubscription of brenn65 at shaw.ca. You may have done the same, but this does not remove you from the list. It only sends a confirmation request to you. You still have to receive that request and either reply to it or follow the web link in it to be removed from the list. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From montgoss+mailman at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 03:09:41 2007 From: montgoss+mailman at gmail.com (Steven **) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:09:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, I added those for my new list and then ran "newaliases". Posts are no longer bounced, but they still aren't going out to list members. I checked the mailman logs and can't find anything associated with the post attempt. I also checked what I believe are the sendmail logs (/var/log/mail.*) and didn't find anything there either. The last entry in the logs is me running "newaliases". Where else should I look for the error? -Steven On 10/29/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Steven wrote: > > >I am using Sendmail. My "/etc/alias" file has: > > ## mailman mailing list > > mailman: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" > > mailman-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman" > > mailman-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman" > > mailman-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman" > > mailman-join: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman" > > mailman-leave: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman" > > mailman-owner: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman" > > mailman-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman" > > mailman-subscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman" > > mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman" > > > >The list "list" was created through the web interface. Am I supposed > >to manually add similar entries for my new "list at my-domain.com" list? > > > Yes. Every list needs a set of 10 aliases like the above with the first > and last occurrences of 'mailman' in each alias replaced with the list > name as in > > listname: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post listname" > listname-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin listname" > etc. > > As Dragon says, if you create a list with bin/newlist, newlist will > tell you about the aliases, and if you create the list via the web, > Mailman will email the required aliases to mailman-owner which will go > to the owner of the 'mailman' list. This assumes that you haven't > overridden the default MTA = 'Manual' setting in mm_cfg.py. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > From msapiro at value.net Tue Oct 30 04:13:24 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:13:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steven wrote: >Well, I added those for my new list and then ran "newaliases". Posts >are no longer bounced, but they still aren't going out to list >members. I checked the mailman logs and can't find anything >associated with the post attempt. I also checked what I believe are >the sendmail logs (/var/log/mail.*) and didn't find anything there >either. The last entry in the logs is me running "newaliases". Where >else should I look for the error? Is Mailman running? See . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From montgoss+mailman at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 05:00:09 2007 From: montgoss+mailman at gmail.com (Steven **) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:00:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup: $ ps auxww| grep mailmanctl |grep -v grep list 5288 0.0 0.4 8704 4560 ? Ss Oct28 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start $ ps auxww | egrep 'p[y]thon' list 5288 0.0 0.4 8704 4560 ? Ss Oct28 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start list 5301 0.0 0.5 8340 5696 ? S Oct28 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s list 5302 0.0 0.5 8384 5716 ? S Oct28 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s list 5303 0.0 0.5 8384 5724 ? S Oct28 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s list 5304 0.0 0.5 8340 5700 ? S Oct28 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s list 5305 0.0 0.5 8632 5744 ? S Oct28 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s list 5306 0.0 0.5 8640 5784 ? S Oct28 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s list 5307 0.0 0.5 8404 5700 ? S Oct28 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s list 5308 0.0 0.5 8404 5700 ? S Oct28 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s -Steven On 10/29/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Steven wrote: > > >Well, I added those for my new list and then ran "newaliases". Posts > >are no longer bounced, but they still aren't going out to list > >members. I checked the mailman logs and can't find anything > >associated with the post attempt. I also checked what I believe are > >the sendmail logs (/var/log/mail.*) and didn't find anything there > >either. The last entry in the logs is me running "newaliases". Where > >else should I look for the error? > > > Is Mailman running? > > See > . > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com Tue Oct 30 14:53:45 2007 From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:53:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mac OS X Leopard upgrade experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Oct 2007, Larry Stone wrote: > 5) Startup is intermittently(?) failing due to what seems to be a Leopard, > not mailman, issue. I'm not at all sure what that "Stray process" message > means and have not turned up anything useful in a web search. > > Oct 29 07:36:46 Leoptest mailman[56]: Starting Mailman's master qrunner. > Oct 29 07:36:46 Leoptest com.apple.launchd[1] (mailman[56]): Stray process > with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 83 PPID 1 Python > > Nothing appears in the mailman logs but unless I'm mistaken, the "Starting > Mailman's ..." message comes from mailmanctl so mailmanctl is launching > but then dying with that "Stray process" error. > > The Leopard provided version of Python 2.5.1 and I have mailman 2.1.9. Update: this was perhaps a result of a mistake I made it creating the clone. I failed to notice that the clone volume had OS X's "Ignore ownership on this volume" attribute set meaning I ended up as the owner of every file on it. I re-cloned last night and went through the entire process again and once finished, have rebooted twice without encountering this "stray process" message. -- Larry Stone lstone19 at stonejongleux.com From Richard_Rae at xyratex.com Tue Oct 30 18:15:07 2007 From: Richard_Rae at xyratex.com (Richard Rae) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:15:07 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu Message-ID: Hi All, I have installed mailman on a ubuntu box in order to replace a failing old server. However I am hitting a few problems, and hope that you can help me. I have configured postfix correctly, and using telnet and other email clients results in the email being delivered. However when I create a newlist and notify the owner the email is never received. I have tried everything that I can find, and I believe that the issue is something small. Any input / request for info is welcome. Regards Richard ______________________________________________________________________ This email may contain privileged or confidential information, which should only be used for the purpose for which it was sent by Xyratex. No further rights or licenses are granted to use such information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by return and delete it. You may not use, copy, disclose or rely on the information contained in it. Internet email is susceptible to data corruption, interception and unauthorised amendment for which Xyratex does not accept liability. While we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that this email is free of viruses, Xyratex does not accept liability for the presence of any computer viruses in this email, nor for any losses caused as a result of viruses. Xyratex Technology Limited (03134912), Registered in England & Wales, Registered Office, Langstone Road, Havant, Hampshire, PO9 1SA. The Xyratex group of companies also includes, Xyratex Ltd, registered in Bermuda, Xyratex International Inc, registered in California, Xyratex (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd registered in Malaysia, Xyratex Technology (Wuxi) Co Ltd registered in The People's Republic of China and Xyratex Japan Limited registered in Japan. ______________________________________________________________________ From dragon at crimson-dragon.com Tue Oct 30 18:54:32 2007 From: dragon at crimson-dragon.com (Dragon) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:54:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710301751.l9UHonKU002737@unreal.eroded.org> Richard Rae sent the message below at 10:15 10/30/2007: >Hi All, > >I have installed mailman on a ubuntu box in order to replace a failing >old server. > >However I am hitting a few problems, and hope that you can help me. > >I have configured postfix correctly, and using telnet and other email >clients results in the email being delivered. However when I create a >newlist and notify the owner the email is never received. I have tried >everything that I can find, and I believe that the issue is something >small. > >Any input / request for info is welcome. > ---------------- End original message. --------------------- From your description of the problem, I am unsure if you can post to a list and see the post delivered. SOme clarification of exactly what is happening will help. In the meantime, see the troubleshooting tips here: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.078.htp There may be other things in the FAQ that may prove useful, it has a lot of information. (See the footer to any list post for a link to the FAQ). Dragon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Richard_Rae at xyratex.com Tue Oct 30 22:53:13 2007 From: Richard_Rae at xyratex.com (Richard Rae) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:53:13 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200710301751.l9UHonKU002737@unreal.eroded.org> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for getting back to me. I can not post to maillist at all. Nothing is received. I have tried the help in the subject line to trigger the help email back, and that has never been returned. When I create a new list I no longer get the aliases output details. But that might be due to the integration between mailman and postfix (although not sure!!) Incase you have not gathered, I'm a newbie :) I'll run through the troubleshoots, thanks for the link Richard -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+richard_rae=xyratex.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+richard_rae=xyratex.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Dragon Sent: 30 October 2007 17:55 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu Richard Rae sent the message below at 10:15 10/30/2007: >Hi All, > >I have installed mailman on a ubuntu box in order to replace a failing >old server. > >However I am hitting a few problems, and hope that you can help me. > >I have configured postfix correctly, and using telnet and other email >clients results in the email being delivered. However when I create a >newlist and notify the owner the email is never received. I have tried >everything that I can find, and I believe that the issue is something >small. > >Any input / request for info is welcome. > ---------------- End original message. --------------------- From your description of the problem, I am unsure if you can post to a list and see the post delivered. SOme clarification of exactly what is happening will help. In the meantime, see the troubleshooting tips here: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.078.htp There may be other things in the FAQ that may prove useful, it has a lot of information. (See the footer to any list post for a link to the FAQ). Dragon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/richard_rae%40xyrat ex.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp ______________________________________________________________________ This email may contain privileged or confidential information, which should only be used for the purpose for which it was sent by Xyratex. No further rights or licenses are granted to use such information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by return and delete it. You may not use, copy, disclose or rely on the information contained in it. Internet email is susceptible to data corruption, interception and unauthorised amendment for which Xyratex does not accept liability. While we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that this email is free of viruses, Xyratex does not accept liability for the presence of any computer viruses in this email, nor for any losses caused as a result of viruses. Xyratex Technology Limited (03134912), Registered in England & Wales, Registered Office, Langstone Road, Havant, Hampshire, PO9 1SA. The Xyratex group of companies also includes, Xyratex Ltd, registered in Bermuda, Xyratex International Inc, registered in California, Xyratex (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd registered in Malaysia, Xyratex Technology (Wuxi) Co Ltd registered in The People's Republic of China and Xyratex Japan Limited registered in Japan. ______________________________________________________________________ From dragon at crimson-dragon.com Tue Oct 30 23:08:03 2007 From: dragon at crimson-dragon.com (Dragon) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:08:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200710301751.l9UHonKU002737@unreal.eroded.org> Message-ID: <200710302205.l9UM4PGI006339@unreal.eroded.org> Richard Rae sent the message below at 14:53 10/30/2007: >Thanks for getting back to me. I can not post to maillist at all. >Nothing is received. I have tried the help in the subject line to >trigger the help email back, and that has never been returned. OK, that sounds like Mailman isn't running. Did you start Mailman using the mailmanctl script? >When I create a new list I no longer get the aliases output details. But >that might be due to the integration between mailman and postfix >(although not sure!!) I don't use postfix but others here do, they can help you better than I in that regard. >Incase you have not gathered, I'm a newbie :) Hey, we all started somewhere, there's no shame in that. >I'll run through the troubleshoots, thanks for the link Excellent, report back with your success or more information on the failure when you get through the steps there. Dragon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dragon at crimson-dragon.com Wed Oct 31 00:00:03 2007 From: dragon at crimson-dragon.com (Dragon) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:00:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200710302205.l9UM4PGI006339@unreal.eroded.org> Message-ID: <200710302257.l9UMuQC9006905@unreal.eroded.org> Richard Rae sent the message below at 15:38 10/30/2007: >Ok, been through the some of the steps. > >The services are running and so is qrunner. They are set to run on boot > >I have check the permissions, and they are all worng apparently. Do you >know how to resolve that? > >Thanks for the input :) ---------------- End original message. --------------------- Run the bin\check_perms script with the -f option until it reports no errors. You need to be logged in as root to do this. Dragon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Richard_Rae at xyratex.com Wed Oct 31 00:24:08 2007 From: Richard_Rae at xyratex.com (Richard Rae) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:24:08 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200710302257.l9UMuQC9006905@unreal.eroded.org> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for the input I have gone from 3000+ to 41 errors. I can not seem to shake the last 41. I have ran and reran the fix numerous times. Any ideas? thanks -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+richard_rae=xyratex.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+richard_rae=xyratex.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Dragon Sent: 30 October 2007 23:00 To: mailman mailing list Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu Richard Rae sent the message below at 15:38 10/30/2007: >Ok, been through the some of the steps. > >The services are running and so is qrunner. They are set to run on boot > >I have check the permissions, and they are all worng apparently. Do you >know how to resolve that? > >Thanks for the input :) ---------------- End original message. --------------------- Run the bin\check_perms script with the -f option until it reports no errors. You need to be logged in as root to do this. Dragon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/richard_rae%40xyrat ex.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp ______________________________________________________________________ This email may contain privileged or confidential information, which should only be used for the purpose for which it was sent by Xyratex. No further rights or licenses are granted to use such information. 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The Xyratex group of companies also includes, Xyratex Ltd, registered in Bermuda, Xyratex International Inc, registered in California, Xyratex (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd registered in Malaysia, Xyratex Technology (Wuxi) Co Ltd registered in The People's Republic of China and Xyratex Japan Limited registered in Japan. ______________________________________________________________________ From msapiro at value.net Wed Oct 31 01:17:04 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:17:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steven wrote: >Yup: >$ ps auxww| grep mailmanctl |grep -v grep >list 5288 0.0 0.4 8704 4560 ? Ss Oct28 0:00 >/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start > >$ ps auxww | egrep 'p[y]thon' >list 5288 0.0 0.4 8704 4560 ? Ss Oct28 0:00 >/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start >list 5301 0.0 0.5 8340 5696 ? S Oct28 0:00 >/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 >-s in response to: >> Is Mailman running? >> >> See >> . And did you look at the rest of the FAQ article and check all the things there? If not please do so. In any case, if that doesn't lead to a solution, report what you found so we can help further. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Oct 31 01:20:35 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:20:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Richard Rae wrote: > >Thanks for the input I have gone from 3000+ to 41 errors. I can not seem >to shake the last 41. I have ran and reran the fix numerous times. Any >ideas? Did you go through the rest of the FAQ article or did you get stuck at check_perms? What are the 41 errors? If you haven't done so, check the rest of the things in the FAQ article too. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Richard_Rae at xyratex.com Wed Oct 31 08:59:15 2007 From: Richard_Rae at xyratex.com (Richard Rae) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:59:15 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Mark, Here are the details root at mailman:~# check_perms -f /var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/pythonlib bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/templates bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/mail bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/icons bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/locks bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20050720/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20041116/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20050319/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20041120/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20050219/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20041023/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20041113/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20050617/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20041016/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20050801/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20041221/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20050202/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20041204/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20050312/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20050702/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20041223/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20040918/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20050716/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20041012/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/samurai-test/20040828/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/wahoo-technical/2005/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/chicago/2004q4/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/chicago/2004q2/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/chicago/2004q3/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/automation/2005-November/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/automation/2005-March/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/automation/2005-May/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/automation/2005-February/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/automation/2005-June/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/automation/2005-August/index.html bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) Problems found: 41 Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix root at mailman:~# I'm going through the rest of the FAQ now. It was pushing midnight last night :p Thanks Richard -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net] Sent: 31 October 2007 00:21 To: Richard Rae; Dragon; mailman mailing list Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu Richard Rae wrote: > >Thanks for the input I have gone from 3000+ to 41 errors. I can not >seem to shake the last 41. I have ran and reran the fix numerous times. >Any ideas? Did you go through the rest of the FAQ article or did you get stuck at check_perms? What are the 41 errors? If you haven't done so, check the rest of the things in the FAQ article too. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ______________________________________________________________________ This email may contain privileged or confidential information, which should only be used for the purpose for which it was sent by Xyratex. No further rights or licenses are granted to use such information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by return and delete it. You may not use, copy, disclose or rely on the information contained in it. Internet email is susceptible to data corruption, interception and unauthorised amendment for which Xyratex does not accept liability. While we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that this email is free of viruses, Xyratex does not accept liability for the presence of any computer viruses in this email, nor for any losses caused as a result of viruses. Xyratex Technology Limited (03134912), Registered in England & Wales, Registered Office, Langstone Road, Havant, Hampshire, PO9 1SA. The Xyratex group of companies also includes, Xyratex Ltd, registered in Bermuda, Xyratex International Inc, registered in California, Xyratex (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd registered in Malaysia, Xyratex Technology (Wuxi) Co Ltd registered in The People's Republic of China and Xyratex Japan Limited registered in Japan. ______________________________________________________________________ From vasumg at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 08:59:43 2007 From: vasumg at gmail.com (vasumg at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:29:43 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not able to send and receive messages posted to a list. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65c115d80710310059w2d90f62ey6fbf4fa3afbd37ea@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Following are our details; - version of mailman you are running - 2.1.6, - how it was installed (via rpm, apt-get, or source) - No idea as it was installed long back and I am a New admin here. It should be thru's source as it is HP_UX. - version of OS your server is running - HP-UX astrus B.11.11 U 9000/800 909053504 unlimited-user license - the MTA (sendmail, postfix, exim, qmail, etc) running on your server - sendmail The bounced message: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test Sent: 10/31/2007 12:26 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: gmf-dev-request at amnsix.domain .com on 10/31/2007 12:26 PM The e-mail system was unable to deliver the message, but did not report a specific reason. Check the address and try again. If it still fails, contact your system administrator. < astrus.domain.com #5.0.0 X-Unix; 2> I treid all the steps given in FAQ, but it is still not working for me. Please help as all our mailing lists are down and people are waiting for a fix. Thanks, Vasumathi From Richard_Rae at xyratex.com Wed Oct 31 09:18:13 2007 From: Richard_Rae at xyratex.com (Richard Rae) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:18:13 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not able to send and receive messages posted to alist. In-Reply-To: <65c115d80710310059w2d90f62ey6fbf4fa3afbd37ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, By the looks of the email address it is invalid gmf-dev-request at amnsix.domain .com there is a space before the .com. Maybe your defualt maildomain is not correctly set? However I am no expert on sendmail, so can not tell you were that default is. Richard -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+richard_rae=xyratex.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+richard_rae=xyratex.com at python.org] On Behalf Of vasumg at gmail.com Sent: 31 October 2007 08:00 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not able to send and receive messages posted to alist. Hi, Following are our details; - version of mailman you are running - 2.1.6, - how it was installed (via rpm, apt-get, or source) - No idea as it was installed long back and I am a New admin here. It should be thru's source as it is HP_UX. - version of OS your server is running - HP-UX astrus B.11.11 U 9000/800 909053504 unlimited-user license - the MTA (sendmail, postfix, exim, qmail, etc) running on your server - sendmail The bounced message: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test Sent: 10/31/2007 12:26 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: gmf-dev-request at amnsix.domain .com on 10/31/2007 12:26 PM The e-mail system was unable to deliver the message, but did not report a specific reason. Check the address and try again. If it still fails, contact your system administrator. < astrus.domain.com #5.0.0 X-Unix; 2> I treid all the steps given in FAQ, but it is still not working for me. Please help as all our mailing lists are down and people are waiting for a fix. Thanks, Vasumathi ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/richard_rae%40xyrat ex.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp ______________________________________________________________________ This email may contain privileged or confidential information, which should only be used for the purpose for which it was sent by Xyratex. No further rights or licenses are granted to use such information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by return and delete it. You may not use, copy, disclose or rely on the information contained in it. Internet email is susceptible to data corruption, interception and unauthorised amendment for which Xyratex does not accept liability. While we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that this email is free of viruses, Xyratex does not accept liability for the presence of any computer viruses in this email, nor for any losses caused as a result of viruses. Xyratex Technology Limited (03134912), Registered in England & Wales, Registered Office, Langstone Road, Havant, Hampshire, PO9 1SA. The Xyratex group of companies also includes, Xyratex Ltd, registered in Bermuda, Xyratex International Inc, registered in California, Xyratex (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd registered in Malaysia, Xyratex Technology (Wuxi) Co Ltd registered in The People's Republic of China and Xyratex Japan Limited registered in Japan. ______________________________________________________________________ From Richard_Rae at xyratex.com Wed Oct 31 11:27:31 2007 From: Richard_Rae at xyratex.com (Richard Rae) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:27:31 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not able to send and receive messages posted toalist. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guys, I have now got the mail coming out. The issue was that the SMTP server rejecetd the email, so adding SMTPHOST = '' to the file has resolved the issue at hand. This was in the FAQ :) Thank you all for your help. I'm sure that I will be emailing you all shortly again. Richard -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+richard_rae=xyratex.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+richard_rae=xyratex.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Richard Rae Sent: 31 October 2007 08:18 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Not able to send and receive messages posted toalist. Hi, By the looks of the email address it is invalid gmf-dev-request at amnsix.domain .com there is a space before the .com. Maybe your defualt maildomain is not correctly set? However I am no expert on sendmail, so can not tell you were that default is. Richard -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+richard_rae=xyratex.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+richard_rae=xyratex.com at python.org] On Behalf Of vasumg at gmail.com Sent: 31 October 2007 08:00 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not able to send and receive messages posted to alist. Hi, Following are our details; - version of mailman you are running - 2.1.6, - how it was installed (via rpm, apt-get, or source) - No idea as it was installed long back and I am a New admin here. It should be thru's source as it is HP_UX. - version of OS your server is running - HP-UX astrus B.11.11 U 9000/800 909053504 unlimited-user license - the MTA (sendmail, postfix, exim, qmail, etc) running on your server - sendmail The bounced message: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test Sent: 10/31/2007 12:26 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: gmf-dev-request at amnsix.domain .com on 10/31/2007 12:26 PM The e-mail system was unable to deliver the message, but did not report a specific reason. Check the address and try again. If it still fails, contact your system administrator. < astrus.domain.com #5.0.0 X-Unix; 2> I treid all the steps given in FAQ, but it is still not working for me. Please help as all our mailing lists are down and people are waiting for a fix. Thanks, Vasumathi ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/richard_rae%40xyrat ex.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp ______________________________________________________________________ This email may contain privileged or confidential information, which should only be used for the purpose for which it was sent by Xyratex. No further rights or licenses are granted to use such information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by return and delete it. You may not use, copy, disclose or rely on the information contained in it. Internet email is susceptible to data corruption, interception and unauthorised amendment for which Xyratex does not accept liability. While we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that this email is free of viruses, Xyratex does not accept liability for the presence of any computer viruses in this email, nor for any losses caused as a result of viruses. Xyratex Technology Limited (03134912), Registered in England & Wales, Registered Office, Langstone Road, Havant, Hampshire, PO9 1SA. The Xyratex group of companies also includes, Xyratex Ltd, registered in Bermuda, Xyratex International Inc, registered in California, Xyratex (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd registered in Malaysia, Xyratex Technology (Wuxi) Co Ltd registered in The People's Republic of China and Xyratex Japan Limited registered in Japan. ______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/richard_rae%40xyrat ex.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp ______________________________________________________________________ This email may contain privileged or confidential information, which should only be used for the purpose for which it was sent by Xyratex. No further rights or licenses are granted to use such information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by return and delete it. You may not use, copy, disclose or rely on the information contained in it. Internet email is susceptible to data corruption, interception and unauthorised amendment for which Xyratex does not accept liability. While we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that this email is free of viruses, Xyratex does not accept liability for the presence of any computer viruses in this email, nor for any losses caused as a result of viruses. Xyratex Technology Limited (03134912), Registered in England & Wales, Registered Office, Langstone Road, Havant, Hampshire, PO9 1SA. The Xyratex group of companies also includes, Xyratex Ltd, registered in Bermuda, Xyratex International Inc, registered in California, Xyratex (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd registered in Malaysia, Xyratex Technology (Wuxi) Co Ltd registered in The People's Republic of China and Xyratex Japan Limited registered in Japan. ______________________________________________________________________ From msapiro at value.net Wed Oct 31 15:50:31 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:50:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not able to send and receive messages posted to alist. In-Reply-To: <65c115d80710310059w2d90f62ey6fbf4fa3afbd37ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: vasumg at gmail.com wrote: > >The bounced message: > >Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. > >Subject: Test > >Sent: 10/31/2007 12:26 PM > >The following recipient(s) could not be reached: > >gmf-dev-request at amnsix.domain .com on 10/31/2007 12:26 PM > >The e-mail system was unable to deliver the message, but did not report a >specific reason. Check the address and try again. If it still fails, contact >your system administrator. >< astrus.domain.com #5.0.0 X-Unix; 2> This is not a Mailman issue. The address gmf-dev-request at amnsix.domain.com (I don't think it actually has a space - I think that's an artifact of your edit) is not deliverable. This is either a list member address or a list owner/moderator address depending on context, but mailman is successfully mailing to that address and the server at astrus.domain.com is reporting it as undeliverable. In any case, Mailman is doing it's job. You have to correct the undeliverable address or remove it from your list or correct whatever is wrong with your MTA that is rendering it unable to deliver Mailman's mail. >I treid all the steps given in FAQ, but it is still not working for me. >Please help as all our mailing lists are down and people are waiting for >a fix. The above bounce message does not give a clue as to why all your Mailing lists are down. If by FAQ you mean article 4.78 at , please report what you found at each step so we might know how to help. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Oct 31 16:02:58 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:02:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47289922.9080607@value.net> Richard Rae wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Here are the details > root at mailman:~# check_perms -f > /var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) > /var/lib/mailman/pythonlib bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) I gather from your post in the thread "Not able to send and receive messages posted to a list" that your problem appears to be resolved. If so, I don't understand. I gather that 'list' is your Mailman user/group. I don't understand why check_perms can't fix this unless 'list' is not a registered group. I also don't understand why Mailman works with these errors unless there are some world (or perhaps owner) permissions that allow it. See for a discussion of Mailman's security. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Richard_Rae at xyratex.com Wed Oct 31 16:17:34 2007 From: Richard_Rae at xyratex.com (Richard Rae) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:17:34 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not able to send and receive messages posted toalist. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can check the log files too /var/log/ They might have a good clue, this is what helped me solve my issue -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+richard_rae=xyratex.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+richard_rae=xyratex.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: 31 October 2007 14:51 To: vasumg at gmail.com; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Not able to send and receive messages posted toalist. vasumg at gmail.com wrote: > >The bounced message: > >Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. > >Subject: Test > >Sent: 10/31/2007 12:26 PM > >The following recipient(s) could not be reached: > >gmf-dev-request at amnsix.domain .com on 10/31/2007 12:26 PM > >The e-mail system was unable to deliver the message, but did not report >a specific reason. Check the address and try again. If it still fails, >contact your system administrator. >< astrus.domain.com #5.0.0 X-Unix; 2> This is not a Mailman issue. The address gmf-dev-request at amnsix.domain.com (I don't think it actually has a space - I think that's an artifact of your edit) is not deliverable. This is either a list member address or a list owner/moderator address depending on context, but mailman is successfully mailing to that address and the server at astrus.domain.com is reporting it as undeliverable. In any case, Mailman is doing it's job. You have to correct the undeliverable address or remove it from your list or correct whatever is wrong with your MTA that is rendering it unable to deliver Mailman's mail. >I treid all the steps given in FAQ, but it is still not working for me. >Please help as all our mailing lists are down and people are waiting >for a fix. The above bounce message does not give a clue as to why all your Mailing lists are down. If by FAQ you mean article 4.78 at , please report what you found at each step so we might know how to help. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/richard_rae%40xyrat ex.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp ______________________________________________________________________ This email may contain privileged or confidential information, which should only be used for the purpose for which it was sent by Xyratex. No further rights or licenses are granted to use such information. 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The Xyratex group of companies also includes, Xyratex Ltd, registered in Bermuda, Xyratex International Inc, registered in California, Xyratex (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd registered in Malaysia, Xyratex Technology (Wuxi) Co Ltd registered in The People's Republic of China and Xyratex Japan Limited registered in Japan. ______________________________________________________________________ From Richard_Rae at xyratex.com Wed Oct 31 16:19:41 2007 From: Richard_Rae at xyratex.com (Richard Rae) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:19:41 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu In-Reply-To: <47289922.9080607@value.net> Message-ID: Hi, Yes I have got the list running, and these are the only errors. I'm going to ignore these as it seems to work. Maybe you are right that there is something deepper down that is allowing this usage. Once the migration is complete, I'll run a lot of tests against that list and see the outut. Thanks again for your help -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net] Sent: 31 October 2007 15:03 To: Richard Rae Cc: Dragon; mailman mailing list Subject: Re: RE: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu Richard Rae wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Here are the details > root at mailman:~# check_perms -f > /var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) > /var/lib/mailman/pythonlib bad group (has: root, expected list) > (fixing) I gather from your post in the thread "Not able to send and receive messages posted to a list" that your problem appears to be resolved. If so, I don't understand. I gather that 'list' is your Mailman user/group. I don't understand why check_perms can't fix this unless 'list' is not a registered group. I also don't understand why Mailman works with these errors unless there are some world (or perhaps owner) permissions that allow it. See for a discussion of Mailman's security. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ______________________________________________________________________ This email may contain privileged or confidential information, which should only be used for the purpose for which it was sent by Xyratex. No further rights or licenses are granted to use such information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by return and delete it. You may not use, copy, disclose or rely on the information contained in it. Internet email is susceptible to data corruption, interception and unauthorised amendment for which Xyratex does not accept liability. While we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that this email is free of viruses, Xyratex does not accept liability for the presence of any computer viruses in this email, nor for any losses caused as a result of viruses. Xyratex Technology Limited (03134912), Registered in England & Wales, Registered Office, Langstone Road, Havant, Hampshire, PO9 1SA. The Xyratex group of companies also includes, Xyratex Ltd, registered in Bermuda, Xyratex International Inc, registered in California, Xyratex (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd registered in Malaysia, Xyratex Technology (Wuxi) Co Ltd registered in The People's Republic of China and Xyratex Japan Limited registered in Japan. ______________________________________________________________________ From b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov Wed Oct 31 16:22:10 2007 From: b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov (Barry Finkel) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:22:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with "more info" Hyperlink from List Archives Page Message-ID: <200710311522.l9VFMAFr023898@britaine.ctd.anl.gov> I have a test Mailman 2.1.9 machine, where I have created a number of test lists since I began testing Mailman. This is a Mailman package I created for Ubuntu from the 2.1.9 source. The only Debian/Ubuntu patch I installed was one to place files in different directories. I have 13 lists. For each list I checked the URL chains from the https://lists.example.com/mailman/listinfo Mailman "home page", and for five of the lists I see URL problems. I went from that Mailman "home page" to the "home page" for each list. I then went to the archives hyperlink. I then went to the "more information about this list" hyperlink. And from that list "home page" I went to the "Overview of all lists" hyperlink. The correct URLs are: good ==> https://lists.example.com/mailman/listinfo/good archives ==> https://lists.example.com/pipermail/good more info ==> https://lists.example.com/mailman/listinfo/good overview ==> https://lists.example.com/mailman/listinfo The five bad lists have bad hyperlinks to "more info" from the archives page: more info ==> https://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/mailmanlistinfo/mailman more info ==> https://lists.example.com/listinfo/bad2 more info ==> https://lists.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bad3 more info ==> https://lists.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bad4 more info ==> https://lists.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bad5 more info ==> https://lists.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bad6 Note that the Mailman list archives page lacks a "/" between "mailman" and "listinfo". For each of these bad lists I ran /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url $list -u lists.example.com but there were no changes to the URLs. It has been a number of months since I created these lists, so I do not remember what configuration changes I might have made while I was creating and testing these lists. What can I do to correct the hyperlinks? Thanks. I have no problems (none yet reported and none that I have seen) on the 214 lists on my production Mailman 2.1.9 machine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 From Richard_Rae at xyratex.com Wed Oct 31 17:02:46 2007 From: Richard_Rae at xyratex.com (Richard Rae) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:02:46 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with "more info" Hyperlink from ListArchives Page In-Reply-To: <200710311522.l9VFMAFr023898@britaine.ctd.anl.gov> Message-ID: Hi, You might need to run the fix_url command ~/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname Richard -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+richard_rae=xyratex.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+richard_rae=xyratex.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Barry Finkel Sent: 31 October 2007 15:22 To: Mailman-Users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with "more info" Hyperlink from ListArchives Page I have a test Mailman 2.1.9 machine, where I have created a number of test lists since I began testing Mailman. This is a Mailman package I created for Ubuntu from the 2.1.9 source. The only Debian/Ubuntu patch I installed was one to place files in different directories. I have 13 lists. For each list I checked the URL chains from the https://lists.example.com/mailman/listinfo Mailman "home page", and for five of the lists I see URL problems. I went from that Mailman "home page" to the "home page" for each list. I then went to the archives hyperlink. I then went to the "more information about this list" hyperlink. And from that list "home page" I went to the "Overview of all lists" hyperlink. The correct URLs are: good ==> https://lists.example.com/mailman/listinfo/good archives ==> https://lists.example.com/pipermail/good more info ==> https://lists.example.com/mailman/listinfo/good overview ==> https://lists.example.com/mailman/listinfo The five bad lists have bad hyperlinks to "more info" from the archives page: more info ==> https://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/mailmanlistinfo/mailman more info ==> https://lists.example.com/listinfo/bad2 more info ==> https://lists.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bad3 more info ==> https://lists.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bad4 more info ==> https://lists.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bad5 more info ==> https://lists.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bad6 Note that the Mailman list archives page lacks a "/" between "mailman" and "listinfo". For each of these bad lists I ran /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url $list -u lists.example.com but there were no changes to the URLs. It has been a number of months since I created these lists, so I do not remember what configuration changes I might have made while I was creating and testing these lists. What can I do to correct the hyperlinks? Thanks. I have no problems (none yet reported and none that I have seen) on the 214 lists on my production Mailman 2.1.9 machine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/richard_rae%40xyrat ex.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp ______________________________________________________________________ This email may contain privileged or confidential information, which should only be used for the purpose for which it was sent by Xyratex. No further rights or licenses are granted to use such information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by return and delete it. You may not use, copy, disclose or rely on the information contained in it. Internet email is susceptible to data corruption, interception and unauthorised amendment for which Xyratex does not accept liability. While we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that this email is free of viruses, Xyratex does not accept liability for the presence of any computer viruses in this email, nor for any losses caused as a result of viruses. Xyratex Technology Limited (03134912), Registered in England & Wales, Registered Office, Langstone Road, Havant, Hampshire, PO9 1SA. The Xyratex group of companies also includes, Xyratex Ltd, registered in Bermuda, Xyratex International Inc, registered in California, Xyratex (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd registered in Malaysia, Xyratex Technology (Wuxi) Co Ltd registered in The People's Republic of China and Xyratex Japan Limited registered in Japan. ______________________________________________________________________ From b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov Wed Oct 31 20:42:31 2007 From: b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov (Barry Finkel) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:42:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re Problems with "more info" Hyperlink from List Archives Page Message-ID: <200710311942.l9VJgVZo000616@britaine.ctd.anl.gov> I wrote, in part, >>... >>I have 13 lists. For each list I checked the URL chains from the >> >> https://lists.example.com/mailman/listinfo >> >>Mailman "home page", and for five of the lists I see URL problems. >> >>... >> >>Note that the Mailman list archives page lacks a "/" between "mailman" >>and "listinfo". For each of these bad lists I ran >> >> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url $list -u lists.example.com >> >>but there were no changes to the URLs. >>... and "Richard Rae" replied: >You might need to run the fix_url command > >~/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname Is this any different than the command I ran? I tried the fix_url command without the -u lists.example.com parameter, and the URLs did not change. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994