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OK Thanks,

Regards

Pierre

> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:19:03 -0700
> From: msapiro at value.net
> To: lacoste_pierre at hotmail.fr; brad at shub-internet.org; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Digest attachment links have 
> 
> pierre lacoste wrote:
> >
> >But the file mm_cfg.py is for all the list. How can I do for configure this value for one list only?
> >
> >> On 10/26/07, pierre lacoste wrote:
> >>
> >> > I doesn't find the option archive_html_sanitizer in my configuration liste
> >> > web interface.
> 
> 
> You are correct that this is a site option. There is no corresponding
> list option. You would have to modify the code to implement one.
> 
> The reason it is only a site option is that this option can be used to
> allow unescaped HTML email to be archived and potentially exposes
> visitors to the site to cross-site scripting attacks and other
> malicious HTML and therefore it should be up to site administrators,
> not list owners, to allow it or not.
> 
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> 

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From jacques at jpdailey.com  Fri Nov  2 15:49:30 2007
From: jacques at jpdailey.com (Jacques Dailey)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 07:49:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Error: "Bad owner email address:
 mailman@(unused)" in SuSE 10.1]
Message-ID: <472B38FA.2010507@jpdailey.com>


Hello,

I set up Mailman as described in the README.SuSE documentation included 
in the install package.  Everything seemed to be going fine until I got 
to step 4. ". . . call "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist mailman" to create 
the master mailing list".  Doing so resulted in the error "Bad owner 
email address: mailman@(unused). 
I am running OpenSuSE 10.1 x86_64.  Upon checking /etc/aliases, I find 
the following entries:
mailman:   root
mailman-owner:   mailman

What am I missing?

Thanks,

JD


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  2 18:58:36 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:58:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Error: "Bad owner email
	address:mailman@(unused)" in SuSE 10.1]
In-Reply-To: <472B38FA.2010507@jpdailey.com>
Message-ID: 

Jacques Dailey wrote:
>
>I set up Mailman as described in the README.SuSE documentation included 
>in the install package.  Everything seemed to be going fine until I got 
>to step 4. ". . . call "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist mailman" to create 
>the master mailing list".  Doing so resulted in the error "Bad owner 
>email address: mailman@(unused). 
>I am running OpenSuSE 10.1 x86_64.  Upon checking /etc/aliases, I find 
>the following entries:
>mailman:   root
>mailman-owner:   mailman


The "Bad owner email address: mailman@(unused)" error comes from
newlist and has nothing to do with aliases.

If you gave the command "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist mailman" to
create the mailman list, you should have been prompted for "the email
of the person running the list:" and "Initial mailman password:"
asking for the list owner's email address and the admin password to
establish for the list.

The email address you enter needs to be a syntactically valid email
address including domain as in address at example.com.

-- 
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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  2 21:16:39 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:16:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-User]Localhost settings
In-Reply-To: <55654bdd0711010104y536d48aaj901e6cf2f48482ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Smita wrote:

>I have installed and configured mailman
>One issue is still remaining please help me regarding ..
>
>need some help how do settings related to web interface
>
>my company url is  www.google.com/a/oscpro.in


I would be surprised if anyone on the mailman-users list knows how to
interface Google Apps to Mailman. I don't know if it is even possible.


>and my mail-Id is smitaphad at oscpro.in
>
>and also my gmail-id is qa.oscpro at gmail.com
>
>
>Web server is Apache
>Mail server is postfix
>
>mailing list is created using newlist function is Trial
>and the email-id of list owner is given qa.oscpro at gmail.com
>
>so please help me how do I make chages related to host, url, hostname and
>virtual host in
>httpd.conf file and
>how exactly get web interface to run
>i.e.
>I have to design some login page explicitly


You have to set up your web server on the Mailman machine as described
in the Installation Manual. See
.

You do not have to create any web pages. If you set a proper
ScriptAlias in httpd.conf, Mailman URLs will invoke the appropriate
Mailman CGI scripts.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Fri Nov  2 19:45:33 2007
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:45:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Address change failure
Message-ID: <472B704D.9000501@whidbey.com>

Greetings:

I'm having problem with administratively changing addresses. When I get 
a request to change addresses on this list I normally just go ahead and 
change it figuring that it's easier than explaining the process to those 
who didn't just go and change it themselves to start with. Several times 
this year I've had Mailman report success but continue to show the 
original address. Unfortunately I haven't kept a log of this to come up 
with any patterns.

In the most recent case, the username did not change while the domain 
did. I opened a ticket on the problem and the system admin suggested it 
was a Mailman bug when only the domain changed. (I am moderator on this 
list, I haven't had the same problem on my own server but also haven't 
had a need to make many changes on the small lists there.) The list in 
question is on Mailman 2.1.9, and I've been very impressed with the 
skill of the administrator so I don't think they've messed anything up - 
they run quite a few large high-volume lists.

Is this a known bug? Is there anything we should be looking at? As of 
now I am logging changes and may see a pattern over time, but it could 
be a long time depending on activity.

Van


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From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  2 21:58:20 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:58:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Address change failure
In-Reply-To: <472B704D.9000501@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: 

G. Armour Van Horn wrote:
>
>I'm having problem with administratively changing addresses. When I get 
>a request to change addresses on this list I normally just go ahead and 
>change it figuring that it's easier than explaining the process to those 
>who didn't just go and change it themselves to start with. Several times 
>this year I've had Mailman report success but continue to show the 
>original address. Unfortunately I haven't kept a log of this to come up 
>with any patterns.


How are you changing the address? I'm assuming that as admin, you go to
the user's options page and change it there. This results in a change
request that requires user confirmation. A confirmation email is sent
to the new address (the web response says this), and the user must
receive this mail and reply or follow a link within
PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE (default 3 days) for the change to actually take
effect.

Mailman will continue to show the old address until the user confirms
the change, and if it isn't confirmed before it expires, the address
isn't changed at all.


>In the most recent case, the username did not change while the domain 
>did.


This one I don't understand, since if the new address was invalid, the
user wouldn't receive the confirmation and the address wouldn't change
at all.


>I opened a ticket on the problem and the system admin suggested it 
>was a Mailman bug when only the domain changed. (I am moderator on this 
>list, I haven't had the same problem on my own server but also haven't 
>had a need to make many changes on the small lists there.) The list in 
>question is on Mailman 2.1.9, and I've been very impressed with the 
>skill of the administrator so I don't think they've messed anything up - 
>they run quite a few large high-volume lists.
>
>Is this a known bug? Is there anything we should be looking at? As of 
>now I am logging changes and may see a pattern over time, but it could 
>be a long time depending on activity.


The only thing that seems to be a possible bug is the address change of
domain only. Unfortunately, Mailman 2.1.9 doesn't log address changes,
so there's not much that can be done to trace this.

Note that the only way to change a user's address without user
confirmation and without removing the old address and adding the new,
which is not satisfactory because it loses all the user's non-default
options, is the command line bin/clone_member tool.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jurgen.gaeremyn at pandora.be  Fri Nov  2 22:00:17 2007
From: jurgen.gaeremyn at pandora.be (Jurgen Gaeremyn)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:00:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Mailman account using URL-parameters.
Message-ID: <1194037217.8366.13.camel@desktop>

Hi,

I've figured out it's possible to parse a lot of Mailman configuration
directly through a URL (like the one below)

http://mydomain.com/mailman/admin/mylist_mydomain.com/members/remove?send_unsub_ack_to_this_batch=0&send_unsub_notifications_to_list_owner=0&unsubscribees_upload=mymail at mydomain.com&adminpw=MyPass

This kind of coding is used in a Joomla-mailman bridge, and I'm looking
into integrating this further into the website... I'd like users to
allow to change their settings from inside the main website (without
having to ask them for a second password or exposing the master password
in a frame)

So now, my question is: apart from (un)subscribing and switching to
daily digest... is it possible to change member settings this way too?
I'm thinking of the parameters in the URL of the type

http://mydomain.com/mailman/options/mylist_mydomain.com/myname--at--mydomain.com?password=mypass&disablemail=0&mime=1

Apparently, the abovementioned does not work... anyone has experience
with this kind of tweaking?
(I'm not familiar with Python, so I think digging into the source code
would be a heck of a job...

Any advice here would be gratefully accepted.
Jurgen.

From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  2 22:51:44 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:51:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named _md5
In-Reply-To: <02ba01c81a65$234ee050$609b65c1@vpe.de>
Message-ID: 

Helmut Schneider wrote:

>From: "Mark Sapiro" 
>
>> Helmut Schneider wrote:
>>>I'm running mailman 2.1.9 chrooted. Recently FreeBSD switched from
>> Python2.4 to Python2.5 as default. As an effect mailman won't start
>> anymore using Python2.5:
>>>Traceback (most recent call last):
>>> File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 107, in 
>>> from Mailman import Utils
>>> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in 
>>> import sha
>>> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/sha.py", line 6, in 
>>> from hashlib import sha1 as sha
>>> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py", line 133, in 
>>> md5 = __get_builtin_constructor('md5')
>>> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py", line 60, in
>>>__get_builtin_constructor
>>> import _md5
>>>ImportError: No module named _md5
>>>What did I miss? I suspect that some additional files need to be copied to
>>>the jail but which ones? Using Python2.4 mailman still works fine.
>> I had a similar if not the identical problem when I upgraded from
>> python 2.4 to 2.5 on a test system under cygwin (no chroot).
>> It turned out that Python 2.4 had been installed with prefix = /usr
>> (library in /usr/lib/python2.4) and Python 2.5 was installed with
>> prefix = /usr/local (library in /usr/local/lib/python2.5).
>> I think I could have fixed it with a few symlinks, but I wound up
>> removing and reinstalling python 2.5 with prefix = /usr.
>> Perhaps this will help you figure out what you need to do.
>
>It helped, yes, but I don't know how to solve it :)


Is it the case that the python2.4 libraries and the python2.5 libraries
are in different directories (e.g. /usr/lib vs. /usr/local/lib)?


>When I start mailman non-chrooted python requests md5.py while when chrooted
>it tries to access _md5.py. That only happens with md5, e.g. sha1 is not
>effected.


Except it's the import of sha1 that triggers it

Actually it's quite complicated. _md5 is a compiled C language version
of a module that also has a Python version.

What is going on is seen in your traceback:

>>> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in 
>>> import sha
>>> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/sha.py", line 6, in 
>>> from hashlib import sha1 as sha
>>> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py", line 133, in 
>>> md5 = __get_builtin_constructor('md5')


At this point, hashlib.py tries an import of the compiled C _hashlib.
It should succeed because it was built, but it fails

Hashlib.py then attempts to build a constructor using the _md5 builtin
which doesn't exist.


>>> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py", line 60, in
>>>__get_builtin_constructor
>>> import _md5
>>>ImportError: No module named _md5


The problem is if _hashlib doesn't exist then _md5 should and vice
versa. Either lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/_hashlib.so should exist or
lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/md5module.so should exist.

I think this problem arises when python 2.4 and python 2.5 coexist on
the system and one has _hashlib.so and the other has md5module.so.
Also, in my case it seemed to be corrected if both the python2.5 and
python2.5 libraries were in the same directory.


If it is the case that /path/to/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/ has
md5module.so and not _hashlib.so and
/usr/local/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/ has _hashlib.so and not
md5module.so, you could try creating a symlink (or a hard link) named
_hashlib.so in /path/to/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/ to
/usr/local/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/_hashlib.so and a symlink (or
hard link) named md5module.so in /usr/local/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/
to /path/to/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/md5module.so.

Or, maybe it's the other way around.

I don't know if this will fix it or not.

In my case, I had Python 2.4 installed in /usr, and I installed Python
2.5 in /usr/local and I wound up fixing the problem by reinstalling
Python 2.5 in /usr


-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  2 23:16:01 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:16:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Mailman account using
	URL-parameters.
In-Reply-To: <1194037217.8366.13.camel@desktop>
Message-ID: 

Jurgen Gaeremyn wrote:
>
>So now, my question is: apart from (un)subscribing and switching to
>daily digest... is it possible to change member settings this way too?
>I'm thinking of the parameters in the URL of the type
>
>http://mydomain.com/mailman/options/mylist_mydomain.com/myname--at--mydomain.com?password=mypass&disablemail=0&mime=1
>
>Apparently, the abovementioned does not work... anyone has experience
>with this kind of tweaking?


You need to click the submit button.

I.e. you need to assign a value (any value) to options-submit in the
cgi data as in



-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Sun Nov  4 05:25:40 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:25:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Error: "Bad owner email
	address:mailman@(unused)" in SuSE 10.1] (solved)
In-Reply-To: <472B38FA.2010507@jpdailey.com>
Message-ID: 

Jacques Dailey wrote:
>
>I set up Mailman as described in the README.SuSE documentation included 
>in the install package.  Everything seemed to be going fine until I got 
>to step 4. ". . . call "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist mailman" to create 
>the master mailing list".  Doing so resulted in the error "Bad owner 
>email address: mailman@(unused).


In off list communication, we determined that the SuSE Mailman package
sets DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST to '(unused)' in
Defaults.py. In this case, these bogus values had not been overridden
in mm_cfg.py.

Thus, when bin/newlist called the MailList.MailList.Create() method to
create the list, it attempted to validate the list posting address via
Mailman.Utils.ValidateEmail(). The posting address which Create()
attempted to validate was 'mailman@(unused)' because of the value of
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.

Normally, if there is a problem with the list name which results in an
invalid posting address, ValidateEmail() raises a
Mailman.Errors.MMBadEmailError which is caught in Create() which
raises a Mailman.Errors.BadListNameError which newlist reports as a
bad listname.

In this case, the parentheses in the domain caused ValidateEmail() to
raise Mailman.Errors.MMHostileAddress instead which isn't caught in
Create() and passes to newlist which interprets it as a problem with
the owner address, thus the misleading error message from newlist.

The solution was to define DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST with
proper domain names in mm_cfg.py.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net  Sun Nov  4 07:42:30 2007
From: mikaelhansen2 at comcast.net (Mikael Hansen)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 23:42:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Time change
Message-ID: <7D924DD8-8E3B-42ED-8766-36D4EF1B5047@comcast.net>

I was wondering if there are any issues in 2.1.9 or 2.1.8 with having  
the same hour twice, concerning archives and other sequence related  
matters such as moderating a message stamped later than the approval  
of it.

Not that I plan on getting up at that time to check on things for a  
bit anyway, because if I do, I'll likely forget to turn off the alarm  
clock and then be woken up once again an hour later ;-)

Mikael


From brad at shub-internet.org  Sun Nov  4 08:05:57 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 01:05:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Time change
In-Reply-To: <7D924DD8-8E3B-42ED-8766-36D4EF1B5047@comcast.net>
References: <7D924DD8-8E3B-42ED-8766-36D4EF1B5047@comcast.net>
Message-ID: 

On 11/3/07, Mikael Hansen wrote:

>  I was wondering if there are any issues in 2.1.9 or 2.1.8 with having
>  the same hour twice, concerning archives and other sequence related
>  matters such as moderating a message stamped later than the approval
>  of it.

Computers have been dealing with issues like Daylight Savings Time 
for many years.  The most recent stupidity with the US government 
deciding that they had to ruin everyone's life in yet another 
different way regarding Daylight Savings Time is no different.

In the end, as far as Mailman is concerned, it's the actions and the 
status that matters.  The different times shown in the logs are just 
going to be confusing to us humans.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From msapiro at value.net  Sun Nov  4 08:26:26 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 00:26:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Time change
In-Reply-To: <7D924DD8-8E3B-42ED-8766-36D4EF1B5047@comcast.net>
Message-ID: 

Mikael Hansen wrote:

>I was wondering if there are any issues in 2.1.9 or 2.1.8 with having  
>the same hour twice, concerning archives and other sequence related  
>matters such as moderating a message stamped later than the approval  
>of it.


Mailman will work as expected across the time change.

The only thing of which I am aware is that log messages are time
stamped in local time without indication of a time zone, so looking
strictly at the times, log messages may appear to be out of sequence
although the order in which they are written will be correct.

Archived messages are time stamped with a time zone. Threading and
other sequence related things in the archives are based on order of
receipt, not time stamp.

Approval of held messages will work as expected, although the vette log
approval may appear to be earlier than the hold as noted above. Also,
there is a very small window during which a held post could appear to
have been approved in the vette log at say 01:59:59 yet been sent to
the list according to the post and smtp logs at 01:00:00.

The time which forms a part of the name of a queue entry and which
ensures FIFO processing of a queue is UTC and is not affected by
standard vs. daylight time.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From md6969 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 14:05:10 2007
From: md6969 at gmail.com (Martin Dennett)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:05:10 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejection Message
Message-ID: <472DC386.5070109@gmail.com>

When posting to a list, if I reply to a reply to a reply, I get a 
rejection from the server saying "The message's content type was not 
explicitly allowed" - but prior to this, the messages get accepted. Any 
ideas what may be causing this, and what the admin can do (no command 
line access) to prevent this from happening, please?

Rgds

MD

From mj at mattiasweb.net  Sun Nov  4 17:34:29 2007
From: mj at mattiasweb.net (mattias)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 17:34:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List archvie
Message-ID: <000101c81f00$9236dff0$0500a8c0@liomk23cfxd68z>

I installed mailamn in debian with apt-get install
But no listarchive
A 404 page comes upp if i click on a mail archive link


From msapiro at value.net  Sun Nov  4 18:02:56 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:02:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejection Message
In-Reply-To: <472DC386.5070109@gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Martin Dennett wrote:

>When posting to a list, if I reply to a reply to a reply, I get a 
>rejection from the server saying "The message's content type was not 
>explicitly allowed" - but prior to this, the messages get accepted. Any 
>ideas what may be causing this, and what the admin can do (no command 
>line access) to prevent this from happening, please?


The reject is because after content filtering has been applied, there
is nothing left in your message. The list admin can adjust content
filtering or turn it off, but this is probably not a good solution.

The problem is in the way your MUA is creating this message. It it most
likely, being posted as an HTML only message. I am only guessing, but
here's what I think is happening:

The list is set to remove text/html parts. You post a text/plain
message to the list. Someone replies to this message and the reply is
multipart/alternative with text/plain and text/html alternatives and
the text/plain alternative reaches the list, or maybe the reply is
html only and it too is rejected by the list. However, in either case,
you are a direct addressee of the reply so you receive it in its
original form.

Further, your MUA settings include things like "reply to messages in
the format received" and maybe "when sending 'rich text' send rich
text only". This causes your MUA to compose and send an html only
message which is rejected by the list.

If you have the original reply and/or a saved copy of your reply to
this reply, examine the raw messages to determine the MIME
structure/content-types to see what's being sent and received.

You may also wish to look at the list archive to see if the original
reply is there.

The solution is to adjust your MUA to send plain text only and to not
reply to messages in the format in which they are sent.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Sun Nov  4 18:19:21 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:19:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List archvie
In-Reply-To: <000101c81f00$9236dff0$0500a8c0@liomk23cfxd68z>
Message-ID: 

mattias wrote:

>I installed mailamn in debian with apt-get install
>But no listarchive
>A 404 page comes upp if i click on a mail archive link


Are the archives (archives/private//*) there?

Since you get a 404, I'm asuming this is a public archive so is there a
symlink archives/public/ to archives/private/.

Is the archives/private directory either 'world searchable' (o+x) or
owned by the web server (see the warning box at
)?

Does your web server have the appropriate 'pipermail' alias, and can
the web server follow symlinks from the archives/public directory (see
)?

In any case, this would appear to be a problem with the Debian package
installation which might be better persued with Debian.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From md6969 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 20:26:01 2007
From: md6969 at gmail.com (Martin Dennett)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:26:01 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejection Message
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <472E1CC9.7060801@gmail.com>

Mark

Thanks as ever. The incoming mail was (appeared to be) in plain text, so 
I've made an amendment in Thunderbird's settings to reply in plain text. 
I'll see what happens next time I try to reply as previous.

Rgds

MD


Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Martin Dennett wrote:
>
>   
>> When posting to a list, if I reply to a reply to a reply, I get a 
>> rejection from the server saying "The message's content type was not 
>> explicitly allowed" - but prior to this, the messages get accepted. Any 
>> ideas what may be causing this, and what the admin can do (no command 
>> line access) to prevent this from happening, please?
>>     
>
>
> The reject is because after content filtering has been applied, there
> is nothing left in your message. The list admin can adjust content
> filtering or turn it off, but this is probably not a good solution.
>
> The problem is in the way your MUA is creating this message. It it most
> likely, being posted as an HTML only message. I am only guessing, but
> here's what I think is happening:
>
> The list is set to remove text/html parts. You post a text/plain
> message to the list. Someone replies to this message and the reply is
> multipart/alternative with text/plain and text/html alternatives and
> the text/plain alternative reaches the list, or maybe the reply is
> html only and it too is rejected by the list. However, in either case,
> you are a direct addressee of the reply so you receive it in its
> original form.
>
> Further, your MUA settings include things like "reply to messages in
> the format received" and maybe "when sending 'rich text' send rich
> text only". This causes your MUA to compose and send an html only
> message which is rejected by the list.
>
> If you have the original reply and/or a saved copy of your reply to
> this reply, examine the raw messages to determine the MIME
> structure/content-types to see what's being sent and received.
>
> You may also wish to look at the list archive to see if the original
> reply is there.
>
> The solution is to adjust your MUA to send plain text only and to not
> reply to messages in the format in which they are sent.

From md6969 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 20:30:47 2007
From: md6969 at gmail.com (Martin Dennett)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:30:47 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejection Message
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <472E1DE7.3020308@gmail.com>

And just to throw a bit more fuel on the fire, my reply to Mark bounced 
as "Reason: spam source blocked"

:-)

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Martin Dennett wrote:
>
>   
>> When posting to a list, if I reply to a reply to a reply, I get a 
>> rejection from the server saying "The message's content type was not 
>> explicitly allowed" - but prior to this, the messages get accepted. Any 
>> ideas what may be causing this, and what the admin can do (no command 
>> line access) to prevent this from happening, please?
>>     
>
>
> The reject is because after content filtering has been applied, there
> is nothing left in your message. The list admin can adjust content
> filtering or turn it off, but this is probably not a good solution.
>
> The problem is in the way your MUA is creating this message. It it most
> likely, being posted as an HTML only message. I am only guessing, but
> here's what I think is happening:
>
> The list is set to remove text/html parts. You post a text/plain
> message to the list. Someone replies to this message and the reply is
> multipart/alternative with text/plain and text/html alternatives and
> the text/plain alternative reaches the list, or maybe the reply is
> html only and it too is rejected by the list. However, in either case,
> you are a direct addressee of the reply so you receive it in its
> original form.
>
> Further, your MUA settings include things like "reply to messages in
> the format received" and maybe "when sending 'rich text' send rich
> text only". This causes your MUA to compose and send an html only
> message which is rejected by the list.
>
> If you have the original reply and/or a saved copy of your reply to
> this reply, examine the raw messages to determine the MIME
> structure/content-types to see what's being sent and received.
>
> You may also wish to look at the list archive to see if the original
> reply is there.
>
> The solution is to adjust your MUA to send plain text only and to not
> reply to messages in the format in which they are sent.
>
>   


From msapiro at value.net  Sun Nov  4 21:11:46 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:11:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejection Message
In-Reply-To: <472E1DE7.3020308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Martin Dennett wrote:

>And just to throw a bit more fuel on the fire, my reply to Mark bounced 
>as "Reason: spam source blocked"


That message comes from Postini when it has blacklisted the IP address
that is connecting to it to deliver the mail. If this blacklisting is
improper, you can try to submit a sender complaint at
, but they generally
just stonewall and redirect you somewhere outside Postini.

Ironically, about a month ago, they started blocking mail from my
msapiro.net server, so I couldn't send (B)Ccs to myself. This was
apparently because my (fixed with proper rDNS) IP was in the middle of
a dslextreme generic block. The only response I got from Postini was
"contact value.net". Fortunately, value.net was able to get my IP
whitelisted.

FYI, you can bypass Postini by mailing to me at the mail.value.net
domain instead. Also, because of continuing problems I have with this
service, I will soon be using a different primary email address which
should avoid all of this.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From cp at ccil.org  Sun Nov  4 21:29:17 2007
From: cp at ccil.org (Chuck Peters)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:29:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can one use EC2 for bandwidth spikes?
Message-ID: 

We have a newsletter with 1500+ subscribers which is currently hosted on my
friends house.  He has DSL and the connection goes to crap for 5-15 minutes
every time we send one out, other than that it works fine.  When I looked at
some of the low cost hosting options none of them seem to be good because of
various limitations like 500 messages per hour.  We send out 1 or 2
newsletters a week at most so it has been hard to justify spending the
$40-$100 or more a month for better hosting.

I have been wanting to try out Amazon's Elastic Compute Cloud,
http://aws.amazon.com/ec2, and I think it would be really cool to fire up
the EC2 instance (basically a linux server) for an hour and fire off the
newsletter.
Has anyone done this sort of thing?

I doubt it could it be as simple as making a temporary exim smarthost with
some configuration tweaks.

What is required to make this work properly?


Thanks,
Chuck

From brad at shub-internet.org  Sun Nov  4 22:27:22 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:27:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can one use EC2 for bandwidth spikes?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

On 11/4/07, Chuck Peters wrote:

>  What is required to make this work properly?

 From the Mailman side, they need to accept your port 25 connections, 
and queue and deliver the outgoing messages.  Of course, this means 
you need to ensure that VERP and personalization are turned off, and 
you need to make sure that you have your system configured to send 
the maximum possible number of recipients per message.  This means 
you'd dump a small handful of outgoing messages on their servers, and 
they'd handle the rest.

You'd want them to continue trying to do that for several days, 
because you wouldn't want mail messages to a given site to be just 
thrown away simply because they were a little slow to respond.

There are a lot of mailing list administration features that are made 
a lot easier by using VERP and letting Mailman automagically figure 
out what's going on and handling it.  Turning off VERP will mean that 
there are certain classes of problems you simply cannot detect or 
deal with, and there will be a higher load in terms of manual 
administration tasks that have to be performed for the list.


In the end, I suspect you're much better off finding a hosting 
company that doesn't have such limits and charges reasonable amounts.

But if you want to give Amazon's service a try, you should go ahead 
and feel free to do that.  In that case, please let us know what 
steps you had to take in order to make it work for you, and what 
problems you encountered.

-- 
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From david at johmar.com  Mon Nov  5 00:25:50 2007
From: david at johmar.com (David Beaumont)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:25:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating mailman members list with another
 database
Message-ID: <13579181.post@talk.nabble.com>


We run a mailman list.  Anyone can subscribe but we would prefer to restrict
subscription to members of our not-for-profit organisation.  We have those
members on an online database.  Has anyone ever linked the mailman list of
subscribers to another database of email addresses and is there any way
apart fom manually checking against our membership list and manually
deleting subscribers to our mailman list?

Apologies if it's in the FAQ I did look though.

thanks

David
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From subscribed-lists at sterndata.com  Mon Nov  5 00:36:09 2007
From: subscribed-lists at sterndata.com (Steven Stern)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:36:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating mailman members list with another
 database
In-Reply-To: <13579181.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <13579181.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <472E5769.3070908@sterndata.com>

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On 11/04/2007 05:25 PM, David Beaumont wrote:
> We run a mailman list.  Anyone can subscribe but we would prefer to restrict
> subscription to members of our not-for-profit organisation.  We have those
> members on an online database.  Has anyone ever linked the mailman list of
> subscribers to another database of email addresses and is there any way
> apart fom manually checking against our membership list and manually
> deleting subscribers to our mailman list?
> 
> Apologies if it's in the FAQ I did look though.
> 
> thanks
> 
> David

Here's the basic outline:

Extract a list of member email addresses.

 /usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members -g=no -w=no -d=no -a=no -f
file_of_email_addresses list_name_here

The list is set up so confirmation of subscription is required (and we
never confirm when someone tries).

We run this process at the top of every hour.  Users
subscribe/unsubscribe through our member services profiler, not through
he list itself.

- --

  Steve
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From david at johmar.com  Mon Nov  5 00:54:57 2007
From: david at johmar.com (David Beaumont)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:54:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating mailman members list with another
 database
In-Reply-To: <472E5769.3070908@sterndata.com>
References: <13579181.post@talk.nabble.com> <472E5769.3070908@sterndata.com>
Message-ID: <13579447.post@talk.nabble.com>


Thnanks for very prompt response.  I can obtain the list of members although
I do not have server shell access, I can do it by email commands so that is
no problem.  I don't understand though how you use that.   

I should add our mailman list is on a suppliers server.  We have our own
website on a different suppliers server.  that website has a members only
section where members have to login.

Are you allowing only members of your list by making the only route to
subscribing your own web site after logging in to your own web site?  Thats
seems a great idea, we could do that and then we wouldn't need to run the
mailman subscribers list at all let alone once an hour.  We would need to
manuslly check all existing subscribers but only the once.  

I assume we would just edit the HTML of the standard mailman subscribe page
to tell them to login to our site instead.  One question though is there a
simple way to prevent non members subscribing by just guessing the subscribe
email address? Oh one more when our members leave they will still stay as
subscribers to the mailman list.  

thnaks

David



Steven Stern wrote:
> 
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> On 11/04/2007 05:25 PM, David Beaumont wrote:
> 
> Here's the basic outline:
> 
> Extract a list of member email addresses.
> 
>  /usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members -g=no -w=no -d=no -a=no -f
> file_of_email_addresses list_name_here
> 
> The list is set up so confirmation of subscription is required (and we
> never confirm when someone tries).
> 
> We run this process at the top of every hour.  Users
> subscribe/unsubscribe through our member services profiler, not through
> he list itself.
> 
> - --
> 
>   Steve
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From msapiro at value.net  Mon Nov  5 01:23:39 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:23:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating mailman members list with
	anotherdatabase
In-Reply-To: <13579447.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: 

David Beaumont wrote:

>
>Thnanks for very prompt response.  I can obtain the list of members although
>I do not have server shell access, I can do it by email commands so that is
>no problem.  I don't understand though how you use that.   


Steven doesn't allow direct subscription to the list. Subscription is
set to require admin approval and requests are denied.

He has a separate "member services profiler" application that generates
the list of addresses that should be list members and processes that
with sync_members to update the list membership.


>I should add our mailman list is on a suppliers server.  We have our own
>website on a different suppliers server.  that website has a members only
>section where members have to login.
>
>Are you allowing only members of your list by making the only route to
>subscribing your own web site after logging in to your own web site?  Thats
>seems a great idea, we could do that and then we wouldn't need to run the
>mailman subscribers list at all let alone once an hour.  We would need to
>manuslly check all existing subscribers but only the once.  


As I understand Steven's post, he does something like that except that
people can't directly subscribe to the Mailman list through his
application. The application generates what should be the current
subscribers list and that is transmitted to Mailman periodically via
sync_members.


>I assume we would just edit the HTML of the standard mailman subscribe page
>to tell them to login to our site instead.  One question though is there a
>simple way to prevent non members subscribing by just guessing the subscribe
>email address? Oh one more when our members leave they will still stay as
>subscribers to the mailman list.  


You can prevent people from subscribing directly as Steven does by
requiring admin approval and not approving.

Then the question is how do you automatically update the Mailman list
membership as people subscribe and unsubscribe via your web site.
Steven does this by creating the 'current' membership list and
processing it through sync_members. This won't work for you with
Mailman hosted remotely and no command line access.

See the results of

for ways to use the list admin CGI to add and delete members.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brad at shub-internet.org  Mon Nov  5 05:54:08 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 22:54:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can one use EC2 for bandwidth spikes?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: 

On 11/4/07, Brad Knowles wrote:

>On 11/4/07, Chuck Peters wrote:
>>   What is required to make this work properly?
>
>  From the Mailman side, they need to accept your port 25 connections,
>  and queue and deliver the outgoing messages.

There's one other factor to consider.  Handling Internet e-mail is 
still an I/O bound process, primarily limited by synchronous 
meta-data operation capacity at the two respective ends, which 
basically boils down to how fast the disk structure can create new 
files in the directory, process those files, and then delete them 
again -- billions and billions of times over.

The kind of computer farm that Amazon has created is good for 
handling compute-intensive tasks.  It will be much less useful for 
general I/O-intensive tasks.

Moreover, the Amazon computer farm will be virtually worthless for 
the specific kinds of tasks that we have to deal with when handling 
Internet e-mail, because the kinds of high-density rack-mount servers 
they're going to use will be critically short on the one thing we 
need most above all else -- low-latency disk drive subsystems which 
can handle a high rate of synchronous meta-data operations.

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From jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu  Mon Nov  5 17:25:39 2007
From: jewel.brueggeman-makda at washburn.edu (Jewel Makda)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:25:39 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Defaults.py file - pipeline changes
Message-ID: <472F4403.3040808@washburn.edu>

My list owners were getting hit pretty hard with spam, almost 4,000 just 
over a weekend.  I did the following which has blocked most if not all 
of the spam going to listowners.  What I did was the following:
I edited the Defaults.py file to have the -owner messages go through the 
same pipeline as the normal messages delivered to list members.  I know 
that one downside to this change is if someone wanted to subscribe to a 
list and sent an email to listname-owner at domain.com, the request it 
would fail to be delivered. Most people contact our list owners directly 
through someone they know or with their work email.  Since I made this 
change I have not seen any disturbances or problems, everything is 
running smoothly.  I am posting this email to see if there are 
ramifications to this change other than the one I mentioned.

Here is the change I made to the Defaults.py file:
OWNER_PIPELINE = [
'SpamDetect',
'Approve',
'Replybot',
'Moderate',
'Hold',
MimeDel',
'Scrubber',
'Emergency',
'Tagger',
'CalRecipe',
'AviodDuplicates',
'Clense',
'Cookheaders',
'OwnerRecipe',
'ToOutgoing'
]

I know I don't need all of the above but I wanted to duplicate how 
messages were handled when people send directly to the list.

-- 
Jewel 


From linux at daniel-bauer.com  Mon Nov  5 18:44:13 2007
From: linux at daniel-bauer.com (Daniel Bauer)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:44:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change subscriber's email etc. from html/php form?
Message-ID: <200711051844.14083.linux@daniel-bauer.com>

Hello all,


Sorry, if my questions too stupid, but I've googled, searched the faq's, 
searched this archive, but either I have overlooked the solution or I am too 
blind to understand it...
I found some descriptions about command-line options, but none 
about "changeing addresses" (I havn't found a full list of all options, I 
guess, and I also have no knowledge in python).
As english is not my native language I maybe seached wrong, so I am greatful 
for any hints pointing me into the right direction.


How can I give users the possibility to change their subscription details 
(like changing e-mail address, password etc.) without actually using mailmans 
webinterface?

Background:

There is a alumni site of a school with a directory of names and e-mails (a 
MySQL database), some parts of that site are password protected. Registered 
users can change their entries in that database with a web form.

There is also a mailman mailing list, where only a part of all users is 
subscribed to.

Now, when someone changes - for example - it's e-mail address I have to 
manually change it in mailman, too (or tell the user that s/he should go to 
the mailman page and change it there, what they usually forget...). 

So I'd like to be able to change the e-mail address of a user "autmatically" 
from my php-script. How can I achieve this?

thanks for your help.

Daniel

From brad at shub-internet.org  Mon Nov  5 22:08:26 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:08:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Defaults.py file - pipeline changes
In-Reply-To: <472F4403.3040808@washburn.edu>
References: <472F4403.3040808@washburn.edu>
Message-ID: 

On 11/5/07, Jewel Makda wrote:

>  Here is the change I made to the Defaults.py file:
>  OWNER_PIPELINE = [
>  'SpamDetect',
>  'Approve',
>  'Replybot',
>  'Moderate',
>  'Hold',
>  MimeDel',
>  'Scrubber',
>  'Emergency',
>  'Tagger',
>  'CalRecipe',
>  'AviodDuplicates',
>  'Clense',
>  'Cookheaders',
>  'OwnerRecipe',
>  'ToOutgoing'
>  ]

MimeDel is missing a leading single quote, and AvoidDuplicates is 
mis-spelled.  I hope you didn't just cut-n-paste from your current 
configuration file, because if you did then you're currently pretty 
screwed up.

Moreover, you're probably just throwing away everything that was 
being held for moderation.  If you want to do that, you can just set 
your default nonmember action to be "discard" or "reject", and not 
have to worry about any of the rest of this stuff.


Of course, that would be the mailing list equivalent of throwing away 
all mail addressed to postmaster at your.doma.in, and if you were 
actually doing that I'd be the first to get you added to the 
postmaster.RFC-Ignorant.org blacklist.

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From msapiro at value.net  Tue Nov  6 06:15:01 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:15:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Defaults.py file - pipeline changes
In-Reply-To: <472F4403.3040808@washburn.edu>
Message-ID: 

Jewel Makda wrote:

>My list owners were getting hit pretty hard with spam, almost 4,000 just 
>over a weekend.  I did the following which has blocked most if not all 
>of the spam going to listowners.  What I did was the following:
>I edited the Defaults.py file to have the -owner messages go through the 
>same pipeline as the normal messages delivered to list members.


Never edit Defaults.py. Override that which you wish to change by
redefining it in mm_cfg.py. See
.


>I know 
>that one downside to this change is if someone wanted to subscribe to a 
>list and sent an email to listname-owner at domain.com, the request it 
>would fail to be delivered. Most people contact our list owners directly 
>through someone they know or with their work email.  Since I made this 
>change I have not seen any disturbances or problems, everything is 
>running smoothly.  I am posting this email to see if there are 
>ramifications to this change other than the one I mentioned.


Many. Are the list owners getting any notices from Mailman?


>Here is the change I made to the Defaults.py file:
>OWNER_PIPELINE = [
>'SpamDetect',
>'Approve',
>'Replybot',
>'Moderate',
>'Hold',
>MimeDel',


As Brad points out, a ' is missing. I have to assume that this is not a
copy and paste of the actual OWNER_PIPELINE. If it is, this error will
break everything.


>'Scrubber',
>'Emergency',
>'Tagger',
>'CalRecipe',


'CalcRecips', and you don't want it because it builds the recipient
list from the non-digest list members.


>'AviodDuplicates',


As Brad points out. 'AvoidDuplicates',


>'Clense',


'Cleanse',


>'Cookheaders',
>'OwnerRecipe',


'OwnerRecips' and fortunately, this throws away the prior recipient
list built by CalcRecips.


>'ToOutgoing'
>]
>
>I know I don't need all of the above but I wanted to duplicate how 
>messages were handled when people send directly to the list.


You probably don't want Approve unless you anticipate messages to the
owner having and Approved:  header to bypass holds. You
probably don't want most of what you added.

You really don't want to duplicate what happens to list posts for a few
reasons, not the least of which is what Brad alludes to - messages to
the gate keeper must not be required to pass through the gate.

In any case, if what you are trying to do is handle messages from
non-members in the same way as they are handled for posts, all you
need to add is Moderate, but even this addition will probably block
notices from Mailman to the list owner/moderator because these are
originally sent to listname-owner from mailman-bounces, listname-owner
or listname-bounces, none of which are (normally) list members.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From randradas at gsyc.escet.urjc.es  Tue Nov  6 12:56:56 2007
From: randradas at gsyc.escet.urjc.es (Roberto Andradas Izquierdo)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:56:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mix two separated mailinglists
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I'm looking for a method to mix two mailing lists, specifically I have  
an old mailing lists with the name 'vulcano-forge' and i would like to  
join this old list with the new mailing list named 'ezforge-public'.

Best regards

Roberto Andradas Izquierdo		| Libre Software Engineering Lab
randradas {@} gsyc.escet.urjc.es	| Grupo de Sistemas y Comunicaciones
Tel: (+34) 91 488 81 05			| Edif. Departamental II - Despacho 119
http://www.randradas.org			| Universidad Rey Juan Carlos
http://www.libresoft.es				| Tulip?n s/n 2833 M?stoles, Madrid.





From cwaltham at bowdoin.edu  Tue Nov  6 14:38:43 2007
From: cwaltham at bowdoin.edu (Chris Waltham)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:38:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manipulating membership management flags (e.g.,
 nomail) from the command-line?
Message-ID: <1874BA1F-EED5-43FD-A28A-4C428E924160@bowdoin.edu>

I administer a Mailman 2.0.12 server that runs many (>870) mailing  
lists, the vast majority are used internally where I work. However, we  
have the odd external recipient; more problematically we have a bunch  
of internal recipients (e.g., username at bowdoin.edu) that forward their  
mail to an external provider like gmail.

A couple of days ago I was troubleshooting an issue for a user and  
noticed that the "nomail" option was set for them in a particular  
list. Obviously, because of this, they weren't getting any mail; I  
presume the flag was set because of bounces. My question is this: is  
there any way that, from the command-line, I can generate a list of  
users who have a particular flag set -- like the "nomail" flag -- from  
the command-line? My overall goal is to be able to run a script  
against every mailing list we have to print me the users with the  
"nomail" flag set.

The only way I currently know of to view the flags is through the  
Membership Management page in the Mailman web interface, which I  
really want to avoid for 870 lists.

Thanks!


Chris



From mschlaudraff at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 18:21:55 2007
From: mschlaudraff at gmail.com (Mark Schlaudraff)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:21:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does one back up the email address in a list...
References: 
Message-ID: <007501c82099$887715d0$0d52fb0a@FLHouse.int>

I'm sorry if this is posted some where however, I am unable to locate it...

How do I export or backup the email address that are in a list?

Thanks,

Mark


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Nov  6 18:53:22 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:53:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manipulating membership management flags (e.g.,
	nomail) from the command-line?
In-Reply-To: <1874BA1F-EED5-43FD-A28A-4C428E924160@bowdoin.edu>
Message-ID: 

Chris Waltham wrote:
>
>A couple of days ago I was troubleshooting an issue for a user and  
>noticed that the "nomail" option was set for them in a particular  
>list. Obviously, because of this, they weren't getting any mail; I  
>presume the flag was set because of bounces.


Maybe. In 2.0, you can't tell for sure.


>My question is this: is  
>there any way that, from the command-line, I can generate a list of  
>users who have a particular flag set -- like the "nomail" flag -- from  
>the command-line? My overall goal is to be able to run a script  
>against every mailing list we have to print me the users with the  
>"nomail" flag set.



Yet another reason to upgrade. The 2.1.x bin/list_members does this.
For 2.0.x, you could modify list_members to add an option similar to
2.1's --nomail, or you could create a simple script along the lines of:

---------------------------------------------------------------------
#! /usr/bin/env python
# This is for Mailman 2.0.x only

import paths

from Mailman import MailList
from Mailman import mm_cfg
from Mailman import Utils

for list in Utils.list_names():
    mlist = MailList.MailList(list, lock=0)
    users = []
    for user in mlist.GetMembers() + mlist.GetDigestMembers():
        if mlist.GetUserOption(user, mm_cfg.DisableDelivery):
            users.append(user)
    if users:
        users.sort()
        print 'Nomail users for list: %s' % mlist.real_name
        for user in users:
            print '    %s' % user
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Save this in Mailman's bin/ directory and run it. I can't test it
completely because it uses Mailman 2.0.x methods which don't exist in
2.1.x, but I think it will work, and if it doesn't, it won't do any
damage.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From cwaltham at bowdoin.edu  Tue Nov  6 18:46:53 2007
From: cwaltham at bowdoin.edu (Chris Waltham)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:46:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does one back up the email address in a
	list...
In-Reply-To: <007501c82099$887715d0$0d52fb0a@FLHouse.int>
References: 
	<007501c82099$887715d0$0d52fb0a@FLHouse.int>
Message-ID: 

On Nov 6, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Mark Schlaudraff wrote:

> I'm sorry if this is posted some where however, I am unable to  
> locate it...
>
> How do I export or backup the email address that are in a list?

There are many ways to skin this cat. How do you want to do it -- from  
Mailman's web GUI, or from the command-line?

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.62

If you have command-line access, the simple "list_members" command  
will do it for you.


Chris

>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark




From b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov  Wed Nov  7 15:49:13 2007
From: b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:49:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re Problems with "more info" Hyperlink from
	ListArchives Page
In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Mark Sapiro '
	dated: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:16:10 -0700
Message-ID: <200711071449.lA7EnDZO020354@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>

Barry Finkel wrote:

>>I wrote, in part,
>>
>>>>...
>>>>I have 13 lists.  For each list I checked the URL chains from the
>>>>
>>>>     https://lists.example.com/mailman/listinfo
>>>>
>>>>Mailman "home page", and for five of the lists I see URL problems.
>>>>
>>>>...
>>>>
>>>>Note that the Mailman list archives page lacks a "/" between "mailman"
>>>>and "listinfo".  For each of these bad lists I ran
>>>>
>>>>     /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url $list -u lists.example.com
>>>>
>>>>but there were no changes to the URLs.
>>>>...
>>
>>and "Richard Rae"  replied:
>>
>>>You might need to run the fix_url command
>>>
>>>~/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname
>>
>>Is this any different than the command I ran?  I tried the
>>
>>     fix_url
>>
>>command without the
>>
>>     -u lists.example.com
>>
>>parameter, and the URLs did not change.

and Mark Sapiro replied:

>Yes, it is different, but that is not the current problem (or maybe it
>was, but more on that in a paragraph).
>
>The -u option sets the url_host in case that list's url_host is
>different from DEFAULT_URL_HOST, which I gather in your case it is not.
>
>Here's what I think the issue is. When you originally changed
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN for the https scheme you left off the trailing
>slash and added cgi-bin/as in
>
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/cgi-bin/mailman'
>(when the 'mailman' list was created)
>
>also, apparently at some point you had other things like
>
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/cgi-bin/mailman/'
>(bad3 through bad 6)
>and
>
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/'
>(bad2)
>
>
>You later corrected that to
>
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
>
>and (perhaps later still) ran fix_url which fixed the hidden
>web_page_url attribute on these six lists.
>
>However, the archive pages are static HTML pages. Current index and TOC
>pages are constantly rebuilt as messages are added to the archives,
>but pages that haven't been updated since before you ran fix_url will
>have bad links as you observe.
>
>There are a few ways to fix this. The easiest is to run 'bin/arch
>--wipe' on all the problem lists, but if these lists have archives
>going back to older Mailman versions (I'm not sure how old is a
>problem, but maybe 2.0.x, maybe pre 2.1.4), there are some potential
>issues in that there may be unescaped "From " lines in message bodies
>that are taken as mbox message separators by the archiver
>(bin/cleanarch can help find/fix these). Also, there is a possibility
>that messages may get renumbered in the archive which is not a problem
>in itself, but it invalidates any saved URLs linking to individual
>archive messages.
>
>If you don't want to run 'bin/arch --wipe' you can ignore the problem.
>The main TOC page and the current period's index pages should get
>fixed the next time a message is archived for the list, and new index
>pages will be built correctly. If older index pages are a concern,
>they can be edited with a script.

Mark has a correct diagnosis.  I went back through my records, and
I did have different

     DEFAULT_URL_HOST

values when I created these test lists.  Each list was created with
Mailman 2.1.9, so for most of the lists, sending another test posting
to the list corrected the archive URL.

I did not run

     bin/arch --wipe

because I did not need to, and also I was unsure of the proper
parameters.  I also did not have time to look for the man page.
I know that when I convert a Majordomo list to Mailman, I have to run

     /usr/lib/mailman/bin/arch --wipe $LISTNAME majordomolist.mbox

after creating the majordomolist.mbox file from the Majordomo list
archives.  On my Ubuntu system

     man arch

displays the man page for

     arch - print machine architecture

One thing that

     fixurl

did that I was not expecting was to change

     host_name

back to the default in one test list where I had set it to another
nodename for testing.  But re-setting this parameter was easy to do
via the admin web interface.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
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From msapiro at value.net  Wed Nov  7 17:00:07 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:00:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re Problems with "more info" Hyperlink
	fromListArchives Page
In-Reply-To: <200711071449.lA7EnDZO020354@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>
Message-ID: 

Barry Finkel 
>
>I did not run
>
>     bin/arch --wipe
>
>because I did not need to, and also I was unsure of the proper
>parameters.  I also did not have time to look for the man page.
>I know that when I convert a Majordomo list to Mailman, I have to run
>
>     /usr/lib/mailman/bin/arch --wipe $LISTNAME majordomolist.mbox
>
>after creating the majordomolist.mbox file from the Majordomo list
>archives.  On my Ubuntu system
>
>     man arch
>
>displays the man page for
>
>     arch - print machine architecture


There is no 'manpage' per se for any of Mailman's bin/ commands, but
they all have a -h/--help option.


>One thing that
>
>     fixurl
>
>did that I was not expecting was to change
>
>     host_name
>
>back to the default in one test list where I had set it to another
>nodename for testing.  But re-setting this parameter was easy to do
>via the admin web interface.


If this list has it's web_page_url based on DEFAULT_URL_HOST and its
host_name different from DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, then what you did is the
best you can do with fix_url.

Run bin/fix_url.py (rather than running bin/withlist -r fix_url ...) to
see the help for fix_url.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mangoo at wpkg.org  Wed Nov  7 17:56:13 2007
From: mangoo at wpkg.org (Tomasz Chmielewski)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:56:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on
 a	hostwithout a MTA?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4731EE2D.5000204@wpkg.org>

Mark Sapiro schrieb:

> Incoming mail is harder, but it can be done using something like
> fetchmail to retrieve mail from a remote server. It can then be
> delivered to Mailman via someththing like procmail or by using
> Mailman's Maildir delivery.

So, I started to put the things together. As you said, outgoing mail is 
easy, and incoming mail is harder (but can be done with fetchmail).

So, considering no MTA is running on a machine which runs mailman - how 
do I go through this part:

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node13.html


Putting this into aliases file on a mail server surely wouldn't make any 
sense:


# bin/genaliases
To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or
equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the
`newaliases' program:

## some-list mailing list
some-list:              "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman post some-list"
some-list-admin:        "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman admin some-list"
some-list-bounces:      "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman bounces some-list"
some-list-confirm:      "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman confirm some-list"
some-list-join:         "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman join some-list"
some-list-leave:        "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman leave some-list"
some-list-owner:        "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman owner some-list"
some-list-request:      "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman request some-list"
some-list-subscribe:    "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe some-list"
some-list-unsubscribe:  "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe some-list"



Should I just deliver all emails to one mailbox (some-list at site, 
some-list-subscribe at site, some-list-unsubscribe at site etc.), and 
fetchmail should fetch it to:

/path/mailman/archives/private/some-list.mbox/

?


-- 
Tomasz Chmielewski
http://wpkg.org



From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov  7 22:37:42 2007
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:37:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on
 a	hostwithout a MTA?
In-Reply-To: <4731EE2D.5000204@wpkg.org>
References: 
	<4731EE2D.5000204@wpkg.org>
Message-ID: <20071107213919.91B801E4034@bag.python.org>


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At 11:56 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote:

>So, I started to put the things together. As you said, outgoing mail 
>is easy, and incoming mail is harder (but can be done with fetchmail).
>
>So, considering no MTA is running on a machine which runs mailman - 
>how do I go through this part:
>
>http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node13.html
>
>
>Putting this into aliases file on a mail server surely wouldn't make 
>any sense:
>
>
># bin/genaliases
>To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or
>equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the
>`newaliases' program:
>
>## some-list mailing list
>some-list:              "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman post some-list"
>some-list-admin:        "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman admin some-list"
>some-list-bounces:      "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman bounces some-list"
>some-list-confirm:      "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman confirm some-list"
>some-list-join:         "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman join some-list"
>some-list-leave:        "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman leave some-list"
>some-list-owner:        "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman owner some-list"
>some-list-request:      "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman request some-list"
>some-list-subscribe:    "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe some-list"
>some-list-unsubscribe:  "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe some-list"
>
>
>
>Should I just deliver all emails to one mailbox (some-list at site, 
>some-list-subscribe at site, some-list-unsubscribe at site etc.), and 
>fetchmail should fetch it to:
>
>/path/mailman/archives/private/some-list.mbox/
>
>?

That won't work. You need to create each one of those aliases as a 
mailbox at your ISP. Then do a fetchmail on each one.

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From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Nov  7 22:58:08 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:58:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a
 hostwithout a MTA?
In-Reply-To: <4731EE2D.5000204@wpkg.org>
References: 
	<4731EE2D.5000204@wpkg.org>
Message-ID: 

On 11/7/07, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:

>  So, considering no MTA is running on a machine which runs mailman - how
>  do I go through this part:

The way fetchmail works, you download e-mail from the remote server 
and pass it on to the local MTA.  Therefore, you have to have a local 
MTA on the recipient machine.  For Mailman, you need something to 
read those aliases and do the right thing with the messages being 
processed.

This local MTA doesn't have to be listening to any external ports or 
anything, but you do need something on that system to fill that role 
of taking the mail handed to it by fetchmail and then feeding that to 
the right program with the right command-line options.  The easiest 
way to do that is to run a real MTA on that server.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From mangoo at wpkg.org  Thu Nov  8 00:14:57 2007
From: mangoo at wpkg.org (Tomasz Chmielewski)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:14:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a
 hostwithout a MTA?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<4731EE2D.5000204@wpkg.org> 
Message-ID: <473246F1.7030001@wpkg.org>

Brad Knowles schrieb:
> On 11/7/07, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
> 
>>  So, considering no MTA is running on a machine which runs mailman - how
>>  do I go through this part:
> 
> The way fetchmail works, you download e-mail from the remote server and 
> pass it on to the local MTA.  Therefore, you have to have a local MTA on 
> the recipient machine.  For Mailman, you need something to read those 
> aliases and do the right thing with the messages being processed.

No, fetchmail can also work without a local MTA.
It can pass fetched emails to a local programs or scripts, like:

# cat /tmp/deliver.sh
#!/bin/bash

cat >> /tmp/text



# fetchmail -u user -m /tmp/deliver.sh mail.server
Enter password for user at mail.server:
1 message for user at mail.server.
reading message user at mail.server:1 of 1 (1631 header octets). (5 body 
octets) flushed


And we have a mail written to /tmp/text.


> This local MTA doesn't have to be listening to any external ports or 
> anything, but you do need something on that system to fill that role of 
> taking the mail handed to it by fetchmail and then feeding that to the 
> right program with the right command-line options.  The easiest way to 
> do that is to run a real MTA on that server.

But I don't want or need any MTA here ;)

So I guess it's just a matter of simple scripting: fetching correct 
email using fetchmail, and passing it to mail/mailman program in a 
correct way. Anyone has it documented?


-- 
Tomasz Chmielewski
http://wpkg.org

From jwblist3 at olympus.net  Thu Nov  8 02:50:54 2007
From: jwblist3 at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:50:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can one use EC2 for bandwidth spikes?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On 11/4/07 12:29 PM, "Chuck Peters"  wrote:

> We have a newsletter with 1500+ subscribers which is currently hosted on my
> friends house.  He has DSL and the connection goes to crap for 5-15 minutes
> every time we send one out, other than that it works fine.  When I looked at
> some of the low cost hosting options none of them seem to be good because of
> various limitations like 500 messages per hour.  We send out 1 or 2
> newsletters a week at most so it has been hard to justify spending the
> $40-$100 or more a month for better hosting.
> 
> I have been wanting to try out Amazon's Elastic Compute Cloud,
> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2, and I think it would be really cool to fire up
> the EC2 instance (basically a linux server) for an hour and fire off the
> newsletter.
> Has anyone done this sort of thing?
> 
> I doubt it could it be as simple as making a temporary exim smarthost with
> some configuration tweaks.
> 
> What is required to make this work properly?

Brad points out disk performance issues and others.

In addition, each time you fire up your EC2 server, it gets a dynamically
assigned IP which is virtually certain to differ from the last time.  And
that includes restarts after crashes (but of course they don't crash).

So you have to deal with the usual problems of running mail servers on
dynamic IPs.  Both incoming and outgoing servers in this case...the incoming
problem can be solved by routing through the home server--that leaves the
list members who won't get their copies because the mail comes from a
dynamic pool space--but the list may already have that problem.

So nice as the idea sounds, it likely isn't practical.

Unfortunately, I can't help with specific configurations.

  --John



From brian at emwd.com  Thu Nov  8 04:53:13 2007
From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:53:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can one use EC2 for bandwidth spikes?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: <024d01c821ba$e4b35210$ae19f630$@com>

Hi Chuck:

Actually we charge $4 a month hosting for a list of your size. You can check
out our hosting plan that is designed specifically for mailman users at
http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html. We also do not impose any sort of sending
limits on our mailman clients. We have been doing this for years now.

Kind regards,
Brian Carpenter
--------------------------------------
EMWD -  Executive Officer
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf Of John
W. Baxter
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:51 PM
To: Mailman Users
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Can one use EC2 for bandwidth spikes?

On 11/4/07 12:29 PM, "Chuck Peters"  wrote:

> We have a newsletter with 1500+ subscribers which is currently hosted on
my
> friends house.  He has DSL and the connection goes to crap for 5-15
minutes
> every time we send one out, other than that it works fine.  When I looked
at
> some of the low cost hosting options none of them seem to be good because
of
> various limitations like 500 messages per hour.  We send out 1 or 2
> newsletters a week at most so it has been hard to justify spending the
> $40-$100 or more a month for better hosting.
> 
> I have been wanting to try out Amazon's Elastic Compute Cloud,
> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2, and I think it would be really cool to fire up
> the EC2 instance (basically a linux server) for an hour and fire off the
> newsletter.
> Has anyone done this sort of thing?
> 
> I doubt it could it be as simple as making a temporary exim smarthost with
> some configuration tweaks.
> 
> What is required to make this work properly?

Brad points out disk performance issues and others.

In addition, each time you fire up your EC2 server, it gets a dynamically
assigned IP which is virtually certain to differ from the last time.  And
that includes restarts after crashes (but of course they don't crash).

So you have to deal with the usual problems of running mail servers on
dynamic IPs.  Both incoming and outgoing servers in this case...the incoming
problem can be solved by routing through the home server--that leaves the
list members who won't get their copies because the mail comes from a
dynamic pool space--but the list may already have that problem.

So nice as the idea sounds, it likely isn't practical.

Unfortunately, I can't help with specific configurations.

  --John


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From lev at vpac.org  Thu Nov  8 05:07:40 2007
From: lev at vpac.org (Lev Lafayette)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:07:40 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't change max_num_recipients
Message-ID: <1194494860.22909.7.camel@sys09.in.vpac.org>


Hey people,

I have a number of mailman lists with multiple domains that I'm looking
after... In the web administration tool any attempt to change
max_num_recipients under Privacy/Recipient filters causes it to revert
to the default of 10.

Any hints on why this would be the case?

Thanks in advance,


Lev


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov  8 05:55:14 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:55:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't change max_num_recipients
In-Reply-To: <1194494860.22909.7.camel@sys09.in.vpac.org>
Message-ID: 

Lev Lafayette wrote:
>
>I have a number of mailman lists with multiple domains that I'm looking
>after... In the web administration tool any attempt to change
>max_num_recipients under Privacy/Recipient filters causes it to revert
>to the default of 10.
>
>Any hints on why this would be the case?


If you can't change anything in the web admin interface, see

and
.

If the web admin interface is working normally except for setting
max_num_recipients, I don't have a clue why this would be. What
Mailman version is this? Installed from source or what package?

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov  8 06:17:56 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:17:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a
	hostwithouta MTA?
In-Reply-To: <473246F1.7030001@wpkg.org>
Message-ID: 

Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
>
>But I don't want or need any MTA here ;)
>
>So I guess it's just a matter of simple scripting: fetching correct 
>email using fetchmail, and passing it to mail/mailman program in a 
>correct way. Anyone has it documented?


You can fetch the mail from the remote mailbox with fetchmail and pass
it from fetchmail to procmail. Then in your .procmailrc you can set
recipes to deliver to the Mailman mail wrapper with appropriate
options.

Here's an example of procmail recipes used in a somewhat different
context:

# LISTNAME mailman list....
:0
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman post LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-admin$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman admin LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-bounces$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-confirm$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-join$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman join LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-leave$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman leave LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-owner$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman owner LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-request$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman request LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-subscribe$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-unsubscribe$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe LISTNAME


In this case, EnvelopeTo is set to an argument passed to procmail, but
in your case with fetchmail from a single mailbox, the actual envelope
recipient probably isn't available, so you may need to look at To: and
Cc: headers instead which isn't as reliable.

The alternative as Dennis Putnam suggests is to create 10 mailboxes per
list at the remote. Then you can use fetchmail to fetch from a
specific mailbox and pipe to the wrapper with the appropriate
arguments.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From andreas at linux-society.de  Thu Nov  8 15:56:37 2007
From: andreas at linux-society.de (Andreas Achtzehn)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:56:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman aliases file on NFS
Message-ID: <473323A5.9010604@linux-society.de>

Hi!

I have a configuration of two servers which both import a shared
directory from a third server via NFS. One of the two server is the mail
server, the second is the web server.
I have copied the complete mailman tree to the NFS share. The
configuration works fine, mails are delivered and I can work within in
the web interface on the other server.
Unfortunately, removing lists doesn't work, because NFS doesn't support
locking.

mail bin # ./rmlist rk-rekoze
Not removing archives.  Reinvoke with -a to remove them.

postalias: fatal: lock /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.db: No locks
available
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./rmlist", line 153, in ?
    main()
  File "./rmlist", line 121, in main
    sys.modules[modname].remove(mlist)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 296, in remove
    _update_maps()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps
    raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)



I know this is kind of Postfix related problem. but I hope somebody on
this list has run into the same problem and found a workaround.

Regards, Andreas

From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov  8 17:19:36 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:19:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman aliases file on NFS
In-Reply-To: <473323A5.9010604@linux-society.de>
Message-ID: 

Andreas Achtzehn wrote:
>
>I have copied the complete mailman tree to the NFS share. The
>configuration works fine, mails are delivered and I can work within in
>the web interface on the other server.
>Unfortunately, removing lists doesn't work, because NFS doesn't support
>locking.



Since it is postalias that fails, I would expect list creation to fail
too, although in that case the list gets created; the only thing that
doesn't get done is postalias and the owner notice.


>I know this is kind of Postfix related problem. but I hope somebody on
>this list has run into the same problem and found a workaround.


See

and the archive message it points to. This addresses a different
situation, but gives the idea of what you can do.

What you need to do is set POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD in mm_cfg.py to run a
script which will copy Mailman's data/aliases file to a path on the
mail server and then run postalias on that file. You also need to
change the postfix configuration (alias_maps) to reference the Mailman
aliases file on the mail server.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov  Thu Nov  8 18:27:48 2007
From: b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:27:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught 550 reject bounce notification
Message-ID: <200711081727.lA8HRmh9000255@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>

I have a Mailman 2.1.9 Uncaught bounce notification:

     From: <>
     To: LISTNAME-bounces at example.com
     Subject: Returned mail: unreachable recipients:gingehen at wicc.weizmann.ac.il

     The original message was received at Thu Nov  8 14:58:21 2007

     Likely reason for failure: 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown

Why was this not caught as a standard 550 rejection?  Is it because the
initial mail received a 250 return code

     to=,
     relay=mail-gate2.weizmann.ac.il[132.77.4.177]:25,
     status=sent (250 Requested mail action okay, completed)

and then the mail was rejected?  But it is not the Mailman machine that
has the smart SMTP mailer; I send all Mailman mail via Postfix to
another machine for delivery.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 222, Room D209              Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From rosenbaumlm at ornl.gov  Thu Nov  8 22:44:54 2007
From: rosenbaumlm at ornl.gov (Rosenbaum, Larry M.)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:44:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email subscribe interface and QP encoding
Message-ID: <43C68785C2728049AF86B0ECB240A15105EE7761D4@EXCHMB.ornl.gov>

If I send an email from Outlook to the listname-request address with this line:

subscribe address=test2 at ornl.gov

I get back the following result:

Your authorization is required for a mailing list subscription request
approval:

    For:  3Dtest2 at ornl.gov
...

Notice the "3D" in front of the original address.  It looks like Mailman isn't decoding the quoted-printable encoding before parsing the message body.  Why is that?  Should I file a bug report?

(Note: when I sent the message from Outlook, I forced it to "plain text")

From CMcCann at psych.ucla.edu  Thu Nov  8 23:06:39 2007
From: CMcCann at psych.ucla.edu (McCann, Cathy)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:06:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I see a list of available mailman lists?
	thanks
Message-ID: 



From abailly at oqube.com  Thu Nov  8 23:25:16 2007
From: abailly at oqube.com (Arnaud Bailly)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:25:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing URI
Message-ID: <87ve8c9xyr.fsf@oqube.oqube.com>

Hello,
I have setup a mailman system (debian package, v. 2.1.9-7) and am
quite happy with it. I have however a small problem: I have changed
the base URI path of the scripts from /cgi-bin/mailman/xxx to
/private/cgi-bin/mailman, changing correspondly the apache config. The
problem is that all links in the ML's web UI are still in the old
format, which is quite annoying. I can (and dit) setup rewrite rules
to handle redirection to proper URI but this poses problems with
authentication cookies, or so it seems. 

Could somebody tell me what should be changed so that the UI's links
are setup right ?

Regards,
-- 
OQube < software engineering \ g?nie logiciel >
Arnaud Bailly, PhD
\web> http://www.oqube.com

From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  9 03:08:13 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:08:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught 550 reject bounce notification
In-Reply-To: <200711081727.lA8HRmh9000255@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>
Message-ID: 

Barry Finkel wrote:

>I have a Mailman 2.1.9 Uncaught bounce notification:
>
>     From: <>
>     To: LISTNAME-bounces at example.com
>     Subject: Returned mail: unreachable recipients:gingehen at wicc.weizmann.ac.il
>
>     The original message was received at Thu Nov  8 14:58:21 2007
>
>     Likely reason for failure: 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown
>
>Why was this not caught as a standard 550 rejection?  Is it because the
>initial mail received a 250 return code


No. It is because the DSN is not an RFC 1894/RFC 3464 compliant DSN and
it is not one of the many non-compliant formats that Mailman 2.1.9
recognizes.

I am right now in the process of trying to wrap up the 2.1.10 beta
release and the last thing on my list is adding recognition for more
non-standard DSNs (I have a collection).

Please send me off list the complete DSN from the uncaught bounce
notification, and I'll try to get it in the set that 2.1.10 recognizes.

BTW, I realize that it is trivial for a human to look at one of these
(at least the ones that are in a language the human reads - they
aren't all in English) and determine that it is a notice of a
permanent failure and what the failed address is, but there are still
things (such as recognizing DSNs and spam) that humans are much better
than software at doing.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  9 03:21:48 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:21:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email subscribe interface and QP encoding
In-Reply-To: <43C68785C2728049AF86B0ECB240A15105EE7761D4@EXCHMB.ornl.gov>
Message-ID: 

Rosenbaum, Larry M. wrote:

>If I send an email from Outlook to the listname-request address with this line:
>
>subscribe address=test2 at ornl.gov
>
>I get back the following result:
>
>Your authorization is required for a mailing list subscription request
>approval:
>
>    For:  3Dtest2 at ornl.gov
>...
>
>Notice the "3D" in front of the original address.  It looks like Mailman isn't decoding the quoted-printable encoding before parsing the message body.  Why is that?  Should I file a bug report?


It looks like you are correct. It is apparently an oversight. I'll fix
it without the report, but it is always good to have the report in the
tracker for the next person that finds the bug.


>(Note: when I sent the message from Outlook, I forced it to "plain text")


Does Outlook have an option to use 8bit encoding rather than QP, and
why is it QP encoding a message that appears to not have any 8bit
characters?

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  9 03:32:54 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:32:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I see a list of available mailman
	lists?thanks
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

McCann, Cathy asks the subject question.

Do you mean lists at python.org? If so,
 might help.

If you mean lists in your own installation, a similar URL with your
domain will list the publicly advertized lists. Beyond that, access to
Mailman's command line tool bin/list_lists is required.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  9 03:37:06 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:37:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing URI
In-Reply-To: <87ve8c9xyr.fsf@oqube.oqube.com>
Message-ID: 

Arnaud Bailly wrote:
>
>Could somebody tell me what should be changed so that the UI's links
>are setup right ?


See some of the results of
.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From zszalbot at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 08:59:29 2007
From: zszalbot at gmail.com (zbigniew szalbot)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:59:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] where do I edit English messages?
Message-ID: <47341361.9050607@gmail.com>

Hello,

In order to handle some phrases better in Polish, I edited 
/usr/local/mailman/messages/pl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po followed by

msgfmt -o mailman.mo mailman.po

Then I wanted to do the same for the English language as I find some phrases overly complicated for the current web users.

However, I do not see the English language anywhere in 
/usr/local/mailman/messages/

Where do I edit it?

I would like to edit this string:

-----
Your confirmation is required in order to complete the subscription 
request to the mailing list /advent/. Your subscription settings are 
shown below; make any necessary changes and hit /Subscribe/ to complete 
the confirmation process. Once you've confirmed your subscription 
request, you will be shown your account options page which you can use 
to further customize your membership options.

Note: your password will be emailed to you once your subscription is 
confirmed. You can change it by visiting your personal options page.

Or hit /Cancel my subscription request/ if you no longer want to 
subscribe to this list.

-----

Thank you very much!

Zbigniew Szalbot

From b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov  Fri Nov  9 16:35:49 2007
From: b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:35:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email subscribe interface and QP encoding
In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Mark Sapiro '
	dated: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:21:48 -0800
Message-ID: <200711091535.lA9FZn2K000724@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>

Mark Sapiro wrote in reply to a posting:

>Does Outlook have an option to use 8bit encoding rather than QP, and
>why is it QP encoding a message that appears to not have any 8bit
>characters?

Will Outlook use QP when there is a blank character at the end of
a line in the body of the message?  I do not use Outlook, so I do not
know.  In the past I have seen many subscription attempts to our
Majordomo lists (most of which have been converted to Mailman) in
QP format, and the su_______ line has

     su______   listname user at example.com=20

and since Majordomo does not decode QP, the confirmation mail is
sent to an invalid address

     user at example.com=20

I have not experimented with administrivia mail to Mailman in QP
format, as I do not have an easy way to generate such mail.

Note I am using "su_______" so that my mail is not treated as
administrivia.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 222, Room D209              Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  9 16:56:19 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:56:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] where do I edit English messages?
In-Reply-To: <47341361.9050607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

zbigniew szalbot wrote:
>
>In order to handle some phrases better in Polish, I edited 
>/usr/local/mailman/messages/pl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po followed by
>
>msgfmt -o mailman.mo mailman.po
>
>Then I wanted to do the same for the English language as I find some phrases overly complicated for the current web users.
>
>However, I do not see the English language anywhere in 
>/usr/local/mailman/messages/
>
>Where do I edit it?


The English language messages are in the Mailman code. The code
contains things like _('English text'). This causes Mailman's i18n._()
function to look up 'English text' in the messages file for the
current language and present the resultant translation unless the
current language is 'en' in which case, no translation is required.


>I would like to edit this string:
>
>-----
>Your confirmation is required in order to complete the subscription 

>-----


If you find the "msgid" containing that string in
/usr/local/mailman/messages/pl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po, you will see it
is preceded by a comment like:

#: Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py:246

which tells you that the source of that string is the
Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py module around line 246. If you want to change
that string, you have to edit it in the confirm.py module. Then you
also have to edit the corresponding msgid string in the mailman.po
file for each language you allow and rebuild the corresponding
mailman.mo files. Otherwise, the lookup of the edited string will fail
and it won't be translated.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rosenbaumlm at ornl.gov  Fri Nov  9 17:09:23 2007
From: rosenbaumlm at ornl.gov (Rosenbaum, Larry M.)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:09:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email subscribe interface and QP encoding
In-Reply-To: 
References: <43C68785C2728049AF86B0ECB240A15105EE7761D4@EXCHMB.ornl.gov>
	
Message-ID: <43C68785C2728049AF86B0ECB240A15105EE7762E7@EXCHMB.ornl.gov>

I have submitted this as Bug 1829061.

> Rosenbaum, Larry M. wrote:
>
> >If I send an email from Outlook to the listname-request address with
> this line:
> >
> >subscribe address=test2 at ornl.gov
> >
> >I get back the following result:
> >
> >Your authorization is required for a mailing list subscription request
> >approval:
> >
> >    For:  3Dtest2 at ornl.gov
> >...
> >
> >Notice the "3D" in front of the original address.  It looks like
> Mailman isn't decoding the quoted-printable encoding before parsing the
> message body.  Why is that?  Should I file a bug report?
>
>
> It looks like you are correct. It is apparently an oversight. I'll fix
> it without the report, but it is always good to have the report in the
> tracker for the next person that finds the bug.
>
>
> >(Note: when I sent the message from Outlook, I forced it to "plain
> text")
>
>
> Does Outlook have an option to use 8bit encoding rather than QP, and

Not that I know of.

> why is it QP encoding a message that appears to not have any 8bit
> characters?

I don't know, but probably because it's Outlook.

From zszalbot at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 17:22:19 2007
From: zszalbot at gmail.com (zbigniew szalbot)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:22:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] where do I edit English messages?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4734893B.5050706@gmail.com>

Hi,

One more question...

Mark Sapiro pisze:

> zbigniew szalbot wrote:
>>
>>In order to handle some phrases better in Polish, I edited 
>>/usr/local/mailman/messages/pl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po followed by
>>
>>msgfmt -o mailman.mo mailman.po
>>
>>Then I wanted to do the same for the English language as I find some phrases overly complicated for the current web users.
>>
>>However, I do not see the English language anywhere in 
>>/usr/local/mailman/messages/
>>
>>Where do I edit it?
> 
> 
> The English language messages are in the Mailman code. The code
> contains things like _('English text'). This causes Mailman's i18n._()
> function to look up 'English text' in the messages file for the
> current language and present the resultant translation unless the
> current language is 'en' in which case, no translation is required.
> 
> 
>>I would like to edit this string:
>>
>>-----
>>Your confirmation is required in order to complete the subscription 
> 
>>-----
> 
> 
> If you find the "msgid" containing that string in
> /usr/local/mailman/messages/pl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po, you will see it
> is preceded by a comment like:
> 
> #: Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py:246
> 
> which tells you that the source of that string is the
> Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py module around line 246. If you want to change
> that string, you have to edit it in the confirm.py module. Then you
> also have to edit the corresponding msgid string in the mailman.po
> file for each language you allow and rebuild the corresponding
> mailman.mo files. Otherwise, the lookup of the edited string will fail
> and it won't be translated.
> 


If I edit mailman.po for a given language and do not delete any line but 
leave some of them empty (like this: " \n"). Can I do the same in the 
confirm.py by leaving empty lines where I do not need any text?

For example the whole message:

-----
Your confirmation is required in order to complete the subscription 
request to the mailing list test4test list.  Your subscription settings 
are shown below; make any necessary changes and hit Subscribe to 
complete the confirmation process.  Once you've confirmed your 
subscription request, you will be shown your account options page which 
you can use to further customize your membership options.

Note: your password will be emailed to you once your subscription is 
confirmed.  You can change it by visiting your personal options page.

Or hit Cancel my subscription request if you no longer want to subscribe 
to this list.
-----

I would like to shorten it to:

-----
Click Subscribe to complete the confirmation process or hit Cancel my 
subscription request if you no longer want to subscribe to this list.
-----

Can I do it in confirm.py in such way that empty lines will not be 
removed? If I do that, does it mean I do not have to rebuild mailman.po 
for corresponding languages (as the number of lines will be the same)?

Thanks!

Zbigniew Szalbot

From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  9 18:28:05 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:28:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] where do I edit English messages?
In-Reply-To: <4734893B.5050706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

zbigniew szalbot wrote:
>
>If I edit mailman.po for a given language and do not delete any line but 
>leave some of them empty (like this: " \n"). Can I do the same in the 
>confirm.py by leaving empty lines where I do not need any text?
>
>For example the whole message:
>
>-----
>Your confirmation is required in order to complete the subscription 
>request to the mailing list test4test list.  Your subscription settings 
>are shown below; make any necessary changes and hit Subscribe to 
>complete the confirmation process.  Once you've confirmed your 
>subscription request, you will be shown your account options page which 
>you can use to further customize your membership options.
>
>Note: your password will be emailed to you once your subscription is 
>confirmed.  You can change it by visiting your personal options page.
>
>Or hit Cancel my subscription request if you no longer want to subscribe 
>to this list.
>-----
>
>I would like to shorten it to:
>
>-----
>Click Subscribe to complete the confirmation process or hit Cancel my 
>subscription request if you no longer want to subscribe to this list.
>-----
>
>Can I do it in confirm.py in such way that empty lines will not be 
>removed? If I do that, does it mean I do not have to rebuild mailman.po 
>for corresponding languages (as the number of lines will be the same)?


No.

The text in msgid in the mailman.po file must be identical to the text
in the _() call in the code. Even a difference of a space, e.g., an
empty line vs. a blank line containing a space, will cause the lookup
to fail.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From zszalbot at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 19:18:30 2007
From: zszalbot at gmail.com (zbigniew szalbot)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:18:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] where do I edit English messages?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4734A476.1040107@gmail.com>

Hi there again,

Mark Sapiro pisze:

>>Thank you very much Mark! I appreciate your helpful comments. Any chance 
>>future Mailman versions can make it easier to change things like that?
> 
> 
> There is currently no plan. There are a few ways it can be
> accomplished. The most obvious is to make translations for languages
> like en-US, en-GB, en-CA, etc. Then you could select a particular
> English dialect and make changes in the translation just as you do for
> Polish.

This is interesting. But how do I do that? I do not see an option for 
en-GB. If I had files to copy from, that would make it easy but all 
other languages are non-English.

Thanks!

ZS

From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  9 19:34:35 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:34:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] where do I edit English messages?
In-Reply-To: <4734A476.1040107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

zbigniew szalbot wrote:
>
>Mark Sapiro pisze:
>
>>>Thank you very much Mark! I appreciate your helpful comments. Any chance 
>>>future Mailman versions can make it easier to change things like that?
>> 
>> 
>> There is currently no plan. There are a few ways it can be
>> accomplished. The most obvious is to make translations for languages
>> like en-US, en-GB, en-CA, etc. Then you could select a particular
>> English dialect and make changes in the translation just as you do for
>> Polish.
>
>This is interesting. But how do I do that? I do not see an option for 
>en-GB. If I had files to copy from, that would make it easy but all 
>other languages are non-English.


You would have to create the translation from scratch. See
.

If you have further questions on translations, the appropriate list for
follow up is mailman-i18n
.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  9 22:00:43 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:00:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change subscriber's email etc. from html/php
	form?
In-Reply-To: <200711051844.14083.linux@daniel-bauer.com>
Message-ID: 

Daniel Bauer wrote:
>I found some descriptions about command-line options, but none 
>about "changeing addresses" (I havn't found a full list of all options, I 
>guess, and I also have no knowledge in python).



The command line tools are listed at




>How can I give users the possibility to change their subscription details 
>(like changing e-mail address, password etc.) without actually using mailmans 
>webinterface?


The tool for changing a member's address is bin/clone_member with the
--remove option. See bin/clone_member --help.

With appropriate permissions on clone_member, you should be able to run
it via php.

For changing other member options, see for example
.
You can also change a member address this way, but the member will
have to confirm the change.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  9 22:08:27 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:08:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mix two separated mailinglists
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Roberto Andradas Izquierdo wrote:
>
>I'm looking for a method to mix two mailing lists, specifically I have
>an old mailing lists with the name 'vulcano-forge' and i would like to
>join this old list with the new mailing list named 'ezforge-public'.


It is not clear to me exactly what you want to do, but if you are
trying to add the members of the 'vulcano-forge' to the
'ezforge-public', you can do this easily with Mailman's command line
tools, but you can't preserve user options easily except for
regular/digest.

You would use bin/list_members to make separate lists of the regular
and digest members of 'vulcano-forge' and then use bin/add_members to
add them to 'ezforge-public'.

If you don't have command line access, see

for other ways to get a member list. You can then use the admin Mass
Subscription page to add them to 'ezforge-public'.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From joey at linuxamd.com  Fri Nov  9 22:18:03 2007
From: joey at linuxamd.com (Joey Prestia)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:18:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman from email addres
Message-ID: <4734CE8B.9070603@linuxamd.com>

I'm trying to set up mailman on a redhat system and on my tests of the 
system I get the following as email 
linux-users-request at c13-ss-2-lb.cnet.com  this is not my e-mail that the 
sent address should be? How can I change it to be the hostname that it 
should be?

From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov  9 22:52:45 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:52:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman from email addres
In-Reply-To: <4734CE8B.9070603@linuxamd.com>
Message-ID: 

Joey Prestia wrote:

>I'm trying to set up mailman on a redhat system and on my tests of the 
>system I get the following as email 
>linux-users-request at c13-ss-2-lb.cnet.com  this is not my e-mail that the 
>sent address should be? How can I change it to be the hostname that it 
>should be?


I'm not sure from your description what the problem is.

Check the list's host_name attribute near the bottom of the web admin
General Options page. If this is correct, see
.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lauren at vortex.com  Sat Nov 10 03:08:35 2007
From: lauren at vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:08:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content boundaries vanish from mime messages in
	input queue
Message-ID: <200711100208.lAA28ZBd019832@chrome.vortex.com>

Greetings.  On a 2.1.6 era mailman, I've discovered that any mime input 
messages are having their mime boundaries and related mime information 
stripped out from the message body.  All that remains is the 
Content-type header line.  As one would expect, this causes all sorts of 
problems for mime-aware UAs, since the various parts of the input 
messages are all cat'd together without any boundaries.

Filters are OFF.
Scrubbing is OFF.

Any ideas?  Thanks.

--Lauren--



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Nov 10 03:26:44 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 18:26:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content boundaries vanish from mime messages
	ininput queue
In-Reply-To: <200711100208.lAA28ZBd019832@chrome.vortex.com>
Message-ID: 

Lauren Weinstein wrote:

>Greetings.  On a 2.1.6 era mailman, I've discovered that any mime input 
>messages are having their mime boundaries and related mime information 
>stripped out from the message body.  All that remains is the 
>Content-type header line.  As one would expect, this causes all sorts of 
>problems for mime-aware UAs, since the various parts of the input 
>messages are all cat'd together without any boundaries.
>
>Filters are OFF.
>Scrubbing is OFF.


Please give us more information. If filter_content is No and
scrub_nondigest is No, messages sent to the list should have all the
MIME headers, boundaries, and structure intact except for possibly
wrapping the entire message structure in a higher level
multipart/mixed message in order to add msg_header and/or msg_footer
parts.

Is this Mailman 2.1.6 installed from source or a package, and if a
package, which?

Under what circumstances are you seeing this?

Do you have an example of a raw message as sent to the list and the
corresponding raw message as received from the list or found in the
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lauren at vortex.com  Sat Nov 10 05:25:02 2007
From: lauren at vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:25:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content boundaries vanish from mime messages
	ininput queue
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:26:44 PST."
	 
Message-ID: <200711100425.lAA4P2eN021352@chrome.vortex.com>


Mark, et al.,

Hi.  This is a source install that I've been using for a long time
mostly for locally generated messages and digests, but am now using
for large numbers of externally generated (moderated) message
distributions.  I should add that I also have removed (including all
white space -- and I set the configuration default for both to "")
the headers and footers for direct distribution (I've left in the
header for digests, on the assumption that won't be an issue).  I
had *thought* this had solved the main problem, and I have a test
message that apparently came through correctly, but later tests are
failing again.  I feel like the guy in the old movie "The 4D Man" who
kept trying to replicate the one time his tricky experiment worked.

What's happening is that messages coming through (and they look this
way in the moderator's preview as well) are being stripped of all
MIME boundaries -- I'll include an example below.  The boundaries
are clearly present (and the messages display correctly) on cc'd
versions that don't go through mailman.  During testing, I also had
an incident where it appeard that a newly arrived test message was
deleted unseen when a bunch of older messages were being deleted thru
the moderator interface, but I'm not ready to swear to that yet.
Different issue.

Example of the Mime problem follows.  Note that the crypto portion 
immediately follows the main text with no boundary, nor is there
a boundary at the end of the crypto section.  Any ideas appreciated!

>From the moderator interface:

HEADER SECTION:



Received: from chrome.vortex.com (chrome.vortex.com [67.119.61.37])
	by neon.vortex.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lAA4JcRI001368
	for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:19:38 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [67.119.61.44] (nebula.vortex.com [67.119.61.44])
	by chrome.vortex.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lAA4JcGm021330
	for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:19:38 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <4735315A.1020605 at vortex.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:19:38 -0800
From: Lauren Weinstein 
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: test
Subject: Test - signed MIME message
Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature";
	micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050600000604090002090408"




BODY SECTION:




TEST
TEST
TEST
Signed section should follow
MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIRYTCC
BN0wggPFoAMCAQICEHGS++YZX6xNEoV0cTSiGKcwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwezELMAkGA1UE
...
mFLEUZnF8jaU9MvAPdNmRsulow+SySznPvYnkLUv2WdY3yVhTXN+ljxFLSebHegMAIRAbnX1
PS2Ed260hBueoXTUuY4woaaea5SmDHOInb8LoPPfYEiXlQO4jYDQL/Br/oWOEsB4ZHx0bVyG
IGZiEmK+3pPqetzbReRqRR19VyBYlA4mu/5lVi2kZagSjYLo4+V81rzTFsUShe0pca/kaHkg
Flw3W7KrMxXMviMb0JXsTC907o629w+2toyuaQRWbeZ0dkGiZ5I8Y/n2mSlN48IAAAAAAAA=






> Lauren Weinstein wrote:
> 
> >Greetings.  On a 2.1.6 era mailman, I've discovered that any mime input 
> >messages are having their mime boundaries and related mime information 
> >stripped out from the message body.  All that remains is the 
> >Content-type header line.  As one would expect, this causes all sorts of 
> >problems for mime-aware UAs, since the various parts of the input 
> >messages are all cat'd together without any boundaries.
> >
> >Filters are OFF.
> >Scrubbing is OFF.
> 
> 
> Please give us more information. If filter_content is No and
> scrub_nondigest is No, messages sent to the list should have all the
> MIME headers, boundaries, and structure intact except for possibly
> wrapping the entire message structure in a higher level
> multipart/mixed message in order to add msg_header and/or msg_footer
> parts.
> 
> Is this Mailman 2.1.6 installed from source or a package, and if a
> package, which?
> 
> Under what circumstances are you seeing this?
> 
> Do you have an example of a raw message as sent to the list and the
> corresponding raw message as received from the list or found in the
> archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 

From msapiro at value.net  Sat Nov 10 05:51:25 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:51:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content boundaries vanish from mime messages
	ininput queue
In-Reply-To: <200711100425.lAA4P2eN021352@chrome.vortex.com>
Message-ID: 

Lauren Weinstein wrote:
>
>What's happening is that messages coming through (and they look this
>way in the moderator's preview as well) are being stripped of all
>MIME boundaries -- I'll include an example below.


The example below from the moderator interface is irrelevant. In the
moderator (admindb) interface detailed view, "Message Headers:" shows
only the main message headers, not any MIME part headers and "Message
Excerpt:" shows only body lines from the MIME parts.

In short, you never see boundaries or part headers in the admindb
interface, but they should still be in the message sent to the list
members (unless removed by subsequent content filtering) if the held
message is approved.


>The boundaries
>are clearly present (and the messages display correctly) on cc'd
>versions that don't go through mailman.


And what about a message that is approved in the moderator interface
and sent to the list? Note that if any messages were sent to the list
with missing boundaries/part headers, and you have access, you should
be able to find them in the
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file, and even if you
don't have direct access to that file, you should be able to get it
through the web via a URL like
.


>During testing, I also had
>an incident where it appeard that a newly arrived test message was
>deleted unseen when a bunch of older messages were being deleted thru
>the moderator interface, but I'm not ready to swear to that yet.
>Different issue.


This should not happen. Even if you "Discard all messages marked
Defer", the only messages discarded should be those on the page.


>Example of the Mime problem follows.  Note that the crypto portion 
>immediately follows the main text with no boundary, nor is there
>a boundary at the end of the crypto section.  Any ideas appreciated!


As I said above, this is expected in the admindb view and says nothing
about the message that will ultimately be delivered to the list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Nov 10 06:04:29 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:04:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email subscribe interface and QP encoding
In-Reply-To: <200711091535.lA9FZn2K000724@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>
Message-ID: 

Barry Finkel wrote:

>Mark Sapiro wrote in reply to a posting:
>
>>Does Outlook have an option to use 8bit encoding rather than QP, and
>>why is it QP encoding a message that appears to not have any 8bit
>>characters?
>
>Will Outlook use QP when there is a blank character at the end of
>a line in the body of the message?  I do not use Outlook, so I do not
>know.  In the past I have seen many subscription attempts to our
>Majordomo lists (most of which have been converted to Mailman) in
>QP format, and the su_______ line has
>
>     su______   listname user at example.com=20
>
>and since Majordomo does not decode QP, the confirmation mail is
>sent to an invalid address
>
>     user at example.com=20
>
>I have not experimented with administrivia mail to Mailman in QP
>format, as I do not have an easy way to generate such mail.
>
>Note I am using "su_______" so that my mail is not treated as
>administrivia.


A quoted-printable message with a trailing blank encoded as you
describe has the same problem in Mailman through 2.1.9. I have fixed
it for 2.1.10.

Even if you had spelled out 'subscribe', your message wouldn't have
been treated as administrivia. In order to be administrivia, the
'subscribe' would need to be the first word on a line and followed by
no more than 3 additional 'words' on that line. Additionally, it would
need to be among the first 5 non-blank lines in the message body. So,
only the second 'su_______' would qualify except it is too far down.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From info at tomnoise.com  Sat Nov 10 20:11:17 2007
From: info at tomnoise.com (Frank Kuzler)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:11:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email Newsletter Problem on 2.1.9
Message-ID: 

Has anyone else had a problem sending html emails through 2.1.9? I am
running a virtual dedicated server (linux Fedora Red Hat 6 with a Plesk
interface) at my webhost. On one of my domains I have set up a list and am
trying to send an html email. I have tried:
1?html page through Entourage with inline files (everything has been
correctly uploaded to the server in same directory)
2?multipart/alternative through PHPMailer
3?webpage through Thunderbird.

I have content filtering set to ?off? and have gone though all the setting a
hundred times. Nothing seems to work, and the page arrives as plain text
with a bunch of jumbled links. (I also have my client set correctly to
receive html and have tried it on several client platforms.)

AND the email comes through fine when I send it through a different list (on
a different domain on a different server and host) running Mailman 2.0.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Tom

From msapiro at value.net  Sat Nov 10 21:06:20 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:06:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email Newsletter Problem on 2.1.9
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Frank Kuzler wrote:

>Has anyone else had a problem sending html emails through 2.1.9? I am
>running a virtual dedicated server (linux Fedora Red Hat 6 with a Plesk
>interface) at my webhost. On one of my domains I have set up a list and am
>trying to send an html email. I have tried:
>1 html page through Entourage with inline files (everything has been
>correctly uploaded to the server in same directory)
>2 multipart/alternative through PHPMailer
>3 webpage through Thunderbird.
>
>I have content filtering set to 'off' and have gone though all the setting a
>hundred times. Nothing seems to work, and the page arrives as plain text
>with a bunch of jumbled links.


I don't know about the 'jumbled' part, but it seems you may have
Non-digest options->scrub_nondigest set to Yes.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From info at tomnoise.com  Sat Nov 10 21:20:39 2007
From: info at tomnoise.com (Tom Noise)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:20:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email Newsletter Problem on 2.1.9
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the reply, but I actually have Non-Digest Scrub set to "no".

Maybe I should have been more clear on the jumbled part. It comes through
with all the text and code for the html links (e.g.,
) but nothing else--no form, images, etc. So it's
just an unstyled page.

I am not using using CSS for the email version and have all the styling done
in the source code. It looks fine is any browser.

Thanks
Tom

On 11/10/07 3:06 PM, "Mark Sapiro"  wrote:

> Frank Kuzler wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone else had a problem sending html emails through 2.1.9? I am
>> running a virtual dedicated server (linux Fedora Red Hat 6 with a Plesk
>> interface) at my webhost. On one of my domains I have set up a list and am
>> trying to send an html email. I have tried:
>> 1 html page through Entourage with inline files (everything has been
>> correctly uploaded to the server in same directory)
>> 2 multipart/alternative through PHPMailer
>> 3 webpage through Thunderbird.
>> 
>> I have content filtering set to 'off' and have gone though all the setting a
>> hundred times. Nothing seems to work, and the page arrives as plain text
>> with a bunch of jumbled links.
> 
> 
> I don't know about the 'jumbled' part, but it seems you may have
> Non-digest options->scrub_nondigest set to Yes.



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Nov 10 21:37:26 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:37:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email Newsletter Problem on 2.1.9
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Tom Noise wrote:
>
>Thanks for the reply, but I actually have Non-Digest Scrub set to "no".
>
>Maybe I should have been more clear on the jumbled part. It comes through
>with all the text and code for the html links (e.g.,
>) but nothing else--no form, images, etc. So it's
>just an unstyled page.
>
>I am not using using CSS for the email version and have all the styling done
>in the source code. It looks fine is any browser.


Please post the raw message including all headers for a message as sent
to the list and the same message as received from the list so we can
see what is happening.

One possibility is you are adding msg_header and/or msg_footer and your
MUA does not understand the resultant MIME structured message, but
that doesn't seem too likely.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From info at tomnoise.com  Sat Nov 10 22:52:49 2007
From: info at tomnoise.com (Tom Noise)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:52:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email Newsletter Problem on 2.1.9
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Thanks again. The problem was a simple text footer that I added. I took it
out and now it seems to be working. Why would that be though? In earlier
versions I had left the default footer in without trying to customize it and
it never affected anything.

 Again thanks.


On 11/10/07 3:37 PM, "Mark Sapiro"  wrote:

> Tom Noise wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the reply, but I actually have Non-Digest Scrub set to "no".
>> 
>> Maybe I should have been more clear on the jumbled part. It comes through
>> with all the text and code for the html links (e.g.,
>> ) but nothing else--no form, images, etc. So it's
>> just an unstyled page.
>> 
>> I am not using using CSS for the email version and have all the styling done
>> in the source code. It looks fine is any browser.
> 
> 
> Please post the raw message including all headers for a message as sent
> to the list and the same message as received from the list so we can
> see what is happening.
> 
> One possibility is you are adding msg_header and/or msg_footer and your
> MUA does not understand the resultant MIME structured message, but
> that doesn't seem too likely.



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Nov 11 00:20:39 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:20:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email Newsletter Problem on 2.1.9
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Tom Noise wrote:

>Thanks again. The problem was a simple text footer that I added. I took it
>out and now it seems to be working. Why would that be though? In earlier
>versions I had left the default footer in without trying to customize it and
>it never affected anything.


If by earlier versions you mean 2.0.x, the way footers are added
changed significantly in 2.1. See

for more on this.

However, the addition of the list footer should just cause your
original text/html message to become a multipart/mixed message
containing the original message as a text/html subpart followed by a
text/plain subpart containing the footer. If this is enough to cause
your MUA to not render the HTML properly, I'd say you need to try a
different MUA.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ratnaweera at dplanet.ch  Sun Nov 11 17:45:27 2007
From: ratnaweera at dplanet.ch (Visvanath Ratnaweera)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:45:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving an installation to another machine
Message-ID: <20071111164527.GA4166@mituru>

Hi all

I had the mailing list of our LUG running for a couple of
years now, until there were disk problems. Now I can't
start the system.

In case I can read the mailman relevant data, what is the
best strategy to move to a new server?

In fact a new server is already up and running Linux, Apache
and Postfix, Mailman 2.1.9 freshly installed.

regards
Visvanath

From msapiro at value.net  Sun Nov 11 18:24:42 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 09:24:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving an installation to another machine
In-Reply-To: <20071111164527.GA4166@mituru>
Message-ID: 

Visvanath Ratnaweera wrote:
>
>In case I can read the mailman relevant data, what is the
>best strategy to move to a new server?

See
.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ratnaweera at dplanet.ch  Mon Nov 12 08:20:44 2007
From: ratnaweera at dplanet.ch (Visvanath Ratnaweera)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:20:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving an installation to another machine
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20071111164527.GA4166@mituru>
	
Message-ID: <20071112072044.GA3675@mituru.zhaw.ch>

Hi Mark
(sorry, this reply was sent yesterday as PM)

Ref: Mark Sapiro  11.11.2007 18:29
> 
> See
> .

Many thanks!

Good to know that it is so straight-forward. Will get a go at the
old hard disk tomorrow.

regards
Visvanath

From listeyon at metu.edu.tr  Mon Nov 12 10:18:32 2007
From: listeyon at metu.edu.tr (liste yoneticisi)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:18:32 +0200 (WET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubsription problem
In-Reply-To: <000c01c6d247$e4416600$0301a8c0@endurance>
References: <20060906010502.eyux3ept1k4wsssw@sbscomp.net>
	<000c01c6d247$e4416600$0301a8c0@endurance>
Message-ID: 

Hello;

The owner of one of our lists face with a problem.

When she tries to unsubscribe one of the member from the list,
(checks the unsub column, and pushes submit your changes button)

the following page occurs.
"
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
"

There is no problem for other lists.

When I checked error log,
there was some lines about this list such as following.

"
admin(12323):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(12323):   HTTP_REFERER:
http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(12323):   PATH_TRANSLATED:
/cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(12323):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(15609):   HTTP_COOKIE:
engelsiz-uni+admin=28020000006929103847732800000030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
admin(15609):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members
admin(15609):   HTTP_REFERER:
http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
admin(15609):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members
admin(15609):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
"

Could you please tell me how can I solve the problem?

regards.

----------------
Liste Yoneticisi
http://e-list.cc.metu.edu.tr
http://e-liste.bidb.odtu.edu.tr


From jijo at fs3.ph  Mon Nov 12 11:56:02 2007
From: jijo at fs3.ph (Federico Sevilla III)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:56:02 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post Server Migration: Changing host_name
	Insufficient
In-Reply-To: <1194864427.4713.78.camel@humanitas.fs3.ph>
References: <1194864427.4713.78.camel@humanitas.fs3.ph>
Message-ID: <1194864962.4713.81.camel@humanitas.fs3.ph>

Hi,

Please ignore my email, below.

I had been searching for the answer before I sent this and could not
find one that worked, but after sending it I finally read about using
"withlist -l -r fix_url listname" in the FAQ and that works.

Sorry for the noise and thank you.

Cheers!

On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 18:47 +0800, Federico Sevilla III wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I migrated all my Mailman lists from one server to another by copying
> the contents of /var/lib/mailman/archive and /var/lib/mailman/lists.
> Mail delivery works okay, and accessing a particular site directly using
> http://new.host.name/mailman/listinfo/listname works okay, too.
> 
> However, the DEFAULT_URL_HOST of the new server is different, and the
> original DEFAULT_URL_HOST is being abandoned. Furthermore, even if we
> use virtual hosting, all of the mailing lists were created using
> 
>         # newsite listname
> 
> and NOT the alternative
> 
>         # newsite listname at virtual.host.name
> 
> The net effect is that regardless of what host_name is:
> 
> 1. Going to http://new.host.name/mailman/listinfo  does not list any of
> the lists there, even when advertised = 1 for the lists.
> 
> 2. All the links in http://new.host.name/mailman/admin/listname/...
> point to http://old.host.name/mailman/admin/listname/... which is
> incorrect.
> 
> I cannot find a way to tweak this, going through all the variables
> dumped by config_list. What can I change so that my lists will now
> forget old.host.name and use the new lists.host.name?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
-- 
Federico Sevilla III
F S 3 Consulting Inc.
http://www.fs3.ph
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From jijo at fs3.ph  Mon Nov 12 11:47:07 2007
From: jijo at fs3.ph (Federico Sevilla III)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:47:07 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post Server Migration: Changing host_name
	Insufficient
Message-ID: <1194864427.4713.78.camel@humanitas.fs3.ph>

Hi,

I migrated all my Mailman lists from one server to another by copying
the contents of /var/lib/mailman/archive and /var/lib/mailman/lists.
Mail delivery works okay, and accessing a particular site directly using
http://new.host.name/mailman/listinfo/listname works okay, too.

However, the DEFAULT_URL_HOST of the new server is different, and the
original DEFAULT_URL_HOST is being abandoned. Furthermore, even if we
use virtual hosting, all of the mailing lists were created using

        # newsite listname

and NOT the alternative

        # newsite listname at virtual.host.name

The net effect is that regardless of what host_name is:

1. Going to http://new.host.name/mailman/listinfo  does not list any of
the lists there, even when advertised = 1 for the lists.

2. All the links in http://new.host.name/mailman/admin/listname/...
point to http://old.host.name/mailman/admin/listname/... which is
incorrect.

I cannot find a way to tweak this, going through all the variables
dumped by config_list. What can I change so that my lists will now
forget old.host.name and use the new lists.host.name?

Thanks.

-- 
Federico Sevilla III
F S 3 Consulting Inc.
http://www.fs3.ph
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From msapiro at value.net  Mon Nov 12 16:42:34 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:42:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubsription problem
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

liste yoneticisi wrote:
>
>When she tries to unsubscribe one of the member from the list,
>(checks the unsub column, and pushes submit your changes button)
>
>the following page occurs.
>"
>Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9
>
>We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
>traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
>the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
>"
>
>There is no problem for other lists.
>
>When I checked error log,
>there was some lines about this list such as following.
>
>"
>admin(12323):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(12323):   HTTP_REFERER:
>http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(12323):   PATH_TRANSLATED:
>/cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(12323):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(15609):   HTTP_COOKIE:
>engelsiz-uni+admin=28020000006929103847732800000030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
>__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
>admin(15609):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(15609):   HTTP_REFERER:
>http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(15609):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(15609):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
>"
>
>Could you please tell me how can I solve the problem?


Post the entire section of the error log from the time in question. You
have omitted all the information that would help diagnose this
problem. The most important part is the Python traceback.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From scry_mr at yahoo.ca  Mon Nov 12 17:08:34 2007
From: scry_mr at yahoo.ca (Juan Miscaro)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:08:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] basic but serious spam question
Message-ID: <452463.8781.qm@web57602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi, I have a basic question on how to prevent my lists from being
spammed.

How can I designate a single person in my company to be the sender of
messages to my announce-only lists?

I don't see any reason for this person to be subscribed to the lists.

I would prefer to make such changes on the command line and for
multiple lists.

Thank you very much.

// juan


      Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail.  Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca 

From jbritton at dsop.com  Mon Nov 12 17:31:58 2007
From: jbritton at dsop.com (Jerry Britton)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:31:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Leopard Server Mailman Config Question
Message-ID: <19FEEAC4-D43F-43AB-BBC0-1C6B1AA00EEE@dsop.com>

Have Leopard Server up and running. Have web access to Mailman up and  
running. Have created a test list.

Should the Mailman software create the accounts required for the list  
(list, list-join, list-leave, etc.)?

If so, mine didn't. I posted to the list and got a user unknown error.

On the other hand, if I have to create the mail accounts through  
Workgroup Manager, that seems like a lot of work. Do I need more than  
the above three? What password do you assign? If you leave it null,  
anyone on the Internet could potentially access it. If you set a  
password, then how do you tell Mailman what it is?

The docs have absolutely nothing to say on this subject. And  
www.lists.org says Apple re-engineered the software to work with  
their GUI and moved the code around...and thus it can't be readily  
supported.

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

P.S. Despite my sig, I prefer Apple! (usually)

---------------------------------------------------------------
Jerry Britton
CompTIA A+, Network+, Security+
Microsoft MCP, MCDST, MCSA: Security, MCSE: Security



From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org  Mon Nov 12 18:51:10 2007
From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:51:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject messages with wrong attachment
Message-ID: <200711121851.10798.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>

Hello,

Mailman is able to remove some attachments, based on the mime-type. But is 
it possible to reject messages containing such attachments? This is 
strange to see an incoming message telling "I attached the file" and see 
nothing; I would prefer return the message, and tell the user to choose 
another format (pdf vs doc, for example).

Thanks,

-- 
   Fr?d?ric

   http://www.gbiloba.org


From msapiro at value.net  Mon Nov 12 18:59:58 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:59:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] basic but serious spam question
In-Reply-To: <452463.8781.qm@web57602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: 

Juan Miscaro wrote:
>
>How can I designate a single person in my company to be the sender of
>messages to my announce-only lists?
>
>I don't see any reason for this person to be subscribed to the lists.


See

for suggestions on list setup. The single person can post to the lists
using an Approved: header as discussed in the FAQ article.


>I would prefer to make such changes on the command line and for
>multiple lists.


You can put the various settings such as default_member_moderation,
member_moderation_action and member_moderation_notice in a file to be
input to bin/config_list and run config_list on multiple lists with a
shell script.

See  (mirrored at
) for a withlist
script that can be used to set all current list members to moderated
if you want to do this from the command line.	

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Mon Nov 12 19:31:06 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:31:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject messages with wrong attachment
In-Reply-To: <200711121851.10798.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>
References: <200711121851.10798.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>
Message-ID: <47389BEA.2030408@value.net>

Fr?d?ric Mantegazza wrote:
> 
> Mailman is able to remove some attachments, based on the mime-type. But is 
> it possible to reject messages containing such attachments? This is 
> strange to see an incoming message telling "I attached the file" and see 
> nothing; I would prefer return the message, and tell the user to choose 
> another format (pdf vs doc, for example).


You can use header_filter_rules to match on content types, e.g.,

^Content-Type:.*application/msword

but this is only practical for a limited number of anticipated types,
Also, if you chose to 'reject' matching messages, you have no control
over the reject message. You can only control the reason if you 'hold'
the message and then reject it from the admindb interface.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com  Mon Nov 12 19:36:21 2007
From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:36:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Leopard Server Mailman Config Question
In-Reply-To: <19FEEAC4-D43F-43AB-BBC0-1C6B1AA00EEE@dsop.com>
References: <19FEEAC4-D43F-43AB-BBC0-1C6B1AA00EEE@dsop.com>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Jerry Britton wrote:

> Have Leopard Server up and running. Have web access to Mailman up and
> running. Have created a test list.
>
> Should the Mailman software create the accounts required for the list
> (list, list-join, list-leave, etc.)?
>
> If so, mine didn't. I posted to the list and got a user unknown error.

They're not accounts, they're aliases that pipe the mail to the mailman
wrapper.

With that simple comment, let me go into more detail. But first, while I'm
one of the Mac OS X "experts" here, my experience is all with OS X
"client" and none with OS X Server (yes, it's quite easy to run server
stuff on what is officially just the client version). Running it on
regular OS X involved installing and building from source as what Apple
provides for Mailman is only with OS X Server.

I wrote (and you should be able to find in the archives) a post on
installing Mailman on Tiger client (and earlier Panther client; a Leopard
client version may be coming). It may be useful to you in understanding a
little of what is going on behind the scenes but then, since we know
little about Apple's customizations for OS X Server, it might not.

Apple provides Postfix as the included MTA (with both Server and client).
Mailman "knows" Postfix and when properly configured in mm_cfg.py, creates
the needed aliases automatically. The only other thing is to make sure
Postfix knows about Mailman's alias file. On my system (set up using my
instructions reference above), the Mailman alias file is
$prefix/data/aliases (where $prefix is your Mailman home directory) and
Postfix is told about the existence of this file by an appropriate line in
its main.cf file (in my case, that's /etc/postfix/main.cf). Unfortunately,
since this is OS X Server, that may not be correct for you (but
/etc/postfix is where the postfix stuff is by default on OS X client so
I'd guess it's there for OS X Server as well).

-- Larry Stone
   lstone19 at stonejongleux.com

From msapiro at value.net  Mon Nov 12 19:49:43 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:49:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Leopard Server Mailman Config Question
In-Reply-To: <19FEEAC4-D43F-43AB-BBC0-1C6B1AA00EEE@dsop.com>
Message-ID: 

Jerry Britton wrote:

>Have Leopard Server up and running. Have web access to Mailman up and  
>running. Have created a test list.


Cool!


>Should the Mailman software create the accounts required for the list  
>(list, list-join, list-leave, etc.)?


You don't create accounts for the list addresses at all. These are
routed to Mailman by the MTA (Postfix in your case?). Exactly how
depends on the MTA. Postfix uses aliases created either manually or
automatically depending on whether Postfix/Mailman integration has
been set up.

See .

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org  Mon Nov 12 19:57:03 2007
From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:57:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject messages with wrong attachment
In-Reply-To: <47389BEA.2030408@value.net>
References: <200711121851.10798.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>
	<47389BEA.2030408@value.net>
Message-ID: <200711121957.04264.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>

On lundi 12 novembre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> You can use header_filter_rules to match on content types, e.g.,
>
> ^Content-Type:.*application/msword
>
> but this is only practical for a limited number of anticipated types,
> Also, if you chose to 'reject' matching messages, you have no control
> over the reject message. You can only control the reason if you 'hold'
> the message and then reject it from the admindb interface.

Ok. But where is this header_filter_rules in the web interface? I can't 
find it...

-- 
   Fr?d?ric

   http://www.gbiloba.org


From msapiro at value.net  Mon Nov 12 20:06:38 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:06:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject messages with wrong attachment
In-Reply-To: <200711121957.04264.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>
References: <200711121851.10798.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>	<47389BEA.2030408@value.net>
	<200711121957.04264.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>
Message-ID: <4738A43E.2050803@value.net>

Fr?d?ric Mantegazza wrote:
> 
> Ok. But where is this header_filter_rules in the web interface? I can't 
> find it...


Privacy options...->Spam filters

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From dbrva at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 12 20:26:38 2007
From: dbrva at yahoo.com (David Boothe)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:26:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Happy...
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <936789.49631.qm@web55103.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Hope this is not a disallowed post.  I don't post often but i do get a lot of good info from all the discussion that goes on.  Wanted to take a minute here to wish everyone a safe and happy thanksgiving and upcoming holiday season.
   
   
  Now back to the MM discussion for all.
   
  DB

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From scry_mr at yahoo.ca  Mon Nov 12 20:48:22 2007
From: scry_mr at yahoo.ca (Juan Miscaro)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:48:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] basic but serious spam question
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <372262.20486.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

--- Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> Juan Miscaro wrote:
> >
> >How can I designate a single person in my company to be the sender
> of
> >messages to my announce-only lists?
> >
> >I don't see any reason for this person to be subscribed to the
> lists.
> 
> 
> See
>

> for suggestions on list setup. The single person can post to the
> lists
> using an Approved: header as discussed in the FAQ article.
> 
> 
> >I would prefer to make such changes on the command line and for
> >multiple lists.
> 
> 
> You can put the various settings such as default_member_moderation,
> member_moderation_action and member_moderation_notice in a file to be
> input to bin/config_list and run config_list on multiple lists with a
> shell script.
> 
> See  (mirrored
> at
> ) for a withlist
> script that can be used to set all current list members to moderated
> if you want to do this from the command line.	


Thank you.

I now see that my mailman queue is full of spam.  How do I purge it?

No information readily available on the net for this.

// juan


      Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail.  Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca 

From msapiro at value.net  Mon Nov 12 21:09:22 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:09:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] basic but serious spam question
In-Reply-To: <372262.20486.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: 

Juan Miscaro 
>
>I now see that my mailman queue is full of spam.  How do I purge it?
>
>No information readily available on the net for this.


I don't know whether you consider it "readily available", but see
.

Also, see
.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org  Mon Nov 12 21:28:20 2007
From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:28:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject messages with wrong attachment
In-Reply-To: <4738A43E.2050803@value.net>
References: <200711121851.10798.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>
	<200711121957.04264.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>
	<4738A43E.2050803@value.net>
Message-ID: <200711122128.21487.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>

On lundi 12 novembre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> > Ok. But where is this header_filter_rules in the web interface? I
> > can't find it...
>
> Privacy options...->Spam filters

Got it. Thanks.

I realized something: .doc attachment are removed from messages, while they 
are not in the list of files to remove:

pass_mime_types:

multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain
multipart/signed
application/pgp-signature

filter_filename_extensions:

exe
bat
cmd
com
pif
scr
vbs
cpl

Why?

-- 
   Fr?d?ric

   http://www.gbiloba.org


From scry_mr at yahoo.ca  Mon Nov 12 21:41:50 2007
From: scry_mr at yahoo.ca (Juan Miscaro)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:41:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] basic but serious spam question
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <214892.33557.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


--- Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> Juan Miscaro 
> >
> >I now see that my mailman queue is full of spam.  How do I purge it?
> >
> >No information readily available on the net for this.
> 
> 
> I don't know whether you consider it "readily available", but see
>
.
> 
> Also, see
>
.


Thank you.

There must be some other mechanism at play here because there was very
little of the heldmsg-* files.  However, when I discarded them
(bin/discard) and restarted qrunner again I (postfix) am swamped with
messages.  I am looking in (for OpenBSD) /var/spool/mailman and I see
some large directories:


$ du -sh *

199M    archives
172K    data
18.6M   lists
2.0K    locks
64.6M   logs
38.3M   qfiles
2.0K    spam


$ du -sh logs/*  

4.3M    logs/bounce
240K    logs/error
30.0K   logs/locks
12.0K   logs/mischief
320K    logs/post
138K    logs/qrunner
6.2M    logs/smtp
52.5M   logs/smtp-failure
864K    logs/subscribe
38.0K   logs/vette


$ du -sh qfiles/*

2.0K    qfiles/archive
48.0K   qfiles/bounces
2.0K    qfiles/commands
238K    qfiles/in
2.0K    qfiles/news
2.0M    qfiles/out
2.0K    qfiles/retry
24.3M   qfiles/shunt
11.7M   qfiles/virgin



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From msapiro at value.net  Mon Nov 12 22:32:21 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:32:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] basic but serious spam question
In-Reply-To: <214892.33557.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: 

Juan Miscaro wrote:
>
>There must be some other mechanism at play here because there was very
>little of the heldmsg-* files.  However, when I discarded them
>(bin/discard) and restarted qrunner again I (postfix) am swamped with
>messages.


I suspect that you had a lot of messages queued in the 'virgin', 'in'
or 'out' queue and the corresponding qrunner wasn't running.


>I am looking in (for OpenBSD) /var/spool/mailman and I see
>some large directories:
>
>
>$ du -sh *
>
>199M    archives
>172K    data
>18.6M   lists
>2.0K    locks
>64.6M   logs
>38.3M   qfiles
>2.0K    spam
>
>
>$ du -sh logs/*  
>
>4.3M    logs/bounce
>240K    logs/error
>30.0K   logs/locks
>12.0K   logs/mischief
>320K    logs/post
>138K    logs/qrunner
>6.2M    logs/smtp
>52.5M   logs/smtp-failure
>864K    logs/subscribe
>38.0K   logs/vette


It looks like you have lots of log entries. Do you rotate your logs?


>$ du -sh qfiles/*
>
>2.0K    qfiles/archive
>48.0K   qfiles/bounces
>2.0K    qfiles/commands
>238K    qfiles/in
>2.0K    qfiles/news
>2.0M    qfiles/out
>2.0K    qfiles/retry
>24.3M   qfiles/shunt
>11.7M   qfiles/virgin


These big qfiles entries can be either a very large directory itself or
lots of stuff in the directory or both. Large directories result from
the corresponding runner not running and many messages piling up in
the queue. Once the runner starts, the messages are processed and
removed, but the directory itself never shrinks unless you do it
manually.

The shunt queue doesn't have a runner. Messages that encounter
unanticipated processing exceptions are placed in the shunt queue, and
the exception is logged in the error log. It is up to you to fix the
problem and delete the shunt queue entry or reprocess the shunted
messages with bin/unshunt.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Mon Nov 12 22:36:16 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:36:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject messages with wrong attachment
In-Reply-To: <200711122128.21487.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>
References: <200711121851.10798.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>	<200711121957.04264.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>	<4738A43E.2050803@value.net>
	<200711122128.21487.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>
Message-ID: <4738C750.2000302@value.net>

Fr?d?ric Mantegazza wrote:
> 
> I realized something: .doc attachment are removed from messages, while they 
> are not in the list of files to remove:
> 
> pass_mime_types:
> 
> multipart/mixed
> multipart/alternative
> text/plain
> multipart/signed
> application/pgp-signature


pass_mime_types takes precedence over *_filename_extensions. The
settings above will filter every elemental MIME part with content-type
other than text/plain or application/pgp-signature.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org  Mon Nov 12 22:57:38 2007
From: frederic.mantegazza at gbiloba.org (=?iso-8859-15?q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Mantegazza?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:57:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject messages with wrong attachment
In-Reply-To: <4738C750.2000302@value.net>
References: <200711121851.10798.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>
	<200711122128.21487.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>
	<4738C750.2000302@value.net>
Message-ID: <200711122257.39198.frederic.mantegazza@gbiloba.org>

On lundi 12 novembre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Fr?d?ric Mantegazza wrote:

> > I realized something: .doc attachment are removed from messages, while
> > they are not in the list of files to remove:
> >
> > pass_mime_types:
> >
> > multipart/mixed
> > multipart/alternative
> > text/plain
> > multipart/signed
> > application/pgp-signature
>
> pass_mime_types takes precedence over *_filename_extensions. The
> settings above will filter every elemental MIME part with content-type
> other than text/plain or application/pgp-signature.

:o)

-- 
   Fr?d?ric

   http://www.gbiloba.org


From info at tomnoise.com  Tue Nov 13 00:26:31 2007
From: info at tomnoise.com (Tom Noise)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:26:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists not Sending
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

I'm running into a problem today with posting and receiving through lists.
This morning posts to the list were being sent and received fine, and now
the posts are being sent through the email client correctly (I checked with
a non-list email address), but nothing is being posted to the list. I've
been back through the settings and nothing seems to be off on the list.
Nothing is in the archives, and nothing is being held for moderation.

Thanks.

Tom



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Nov 13 00:45:48 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:45:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists not Sending
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Tom Noise wrote:

>I'm running into a problem today with posting and receiving through lists.
>This morning posts to the list were being sent and received fine, and now
>the posts are being sent through the email client correctly (I checked with
>a non-list email address), but nothing is being posted to the list. I've
>been back through the settings and nothing seems to be off on the list.
>Nothing is in the archives, and nothing is being held for moderation.


See
,
especially items 1b), 5b), 6) and 7).

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From matt.l.zimmerman at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 01:12:22 2007
From: matt.l.zimmerman at gmail.com (Matt Zimmerman)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:12:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python 2.5.1
Message-ID: <50852730711121612xa5baaaek55631def1d2d3ad1@mail.gmail.com>

Is Mailman 2.1.9 compatible with Python 2.5.1? The reason I ask is
because I am having trouble configuring Mailman on a Solaris 10 sparc
server.

From msapiro at value.net  Tue Nov 13 01:24:41 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:24:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python 2.5.1
In-Reply-To: <50852730711121612xa5baaaek55631def1d2d3ad1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Matt Zimmerman wrote:

>Is Mailman 2.1.9 compatible with Python 2.5.1? The reason I ask is
>because I am having trouble configuring Mailman on a Solaris 10 sparc
>server.


Yes. There will be some DeprecationWarning messages about string
exceptions in the Mailman's error log, but everything works.

Note that 2.1.10b0 will be released very soon, and it will supress the
warnings.

There appear to be difficulties in installing Mailman on Solaris 10.
See some of the recent threads returned by

for advice.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com  Tue Nov 13 01:25:43 2007
From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:25:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python 2.5.1
In-Reply-To: <50852730711121612xa5baaaek55631def1d2d3ad1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

On 11/12/07 6:12 PM, Matt Zimmerman at matt.l.zimmerman at gmail.com wrote:

> Is Mailman 2.1.9 compatible with Python 2.5.1? The reason I ask is
> because I am having trouble configuring Mailman on a Solaris 10 sparc
> server.

MM 2.1.9 with Python 2.5.1 is working fine for me on Mac OS X 10.5
(Leopard).

-- 
Larry Stone
lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
http://www.stonejongleux.com/



From listeyon at metu.edu.tr  Tue Nov 13 13:45:18 2007
From: listeyon at metu.edu.tr (liste yoneticisi)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:45:18 +0200 (WET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubsription problem
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 




----------------
Liste Yoneticisi
http://e-list.cc.metu.edu.tr
http://e-liste.bidb.odtu.edu.tr

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:

liste yoneticisi wrote:
>
>When she tries to unsubscribe one of the member from the list,
>(checks the unsub column, and pushes submit your changes button)
>
>the following page occurs.
>"
>Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9
>
>We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
>traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
>the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
>"
>
>There is no problem for other lists.
>
>When I checked error log,
>there was some lines about this list such as following.
>
>"
>admin(12323):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(12323):   HTTP_REFERER:
>http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(12323):   PATH_TRANSLATED:
>/cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(12323):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(15609):   HTTP_COOKIE:
>engelsiz-uni+admin=28020000006929103847732800000030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
>__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
>admin(15609):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(15609):   HTTP_REFERER:
>http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(15609):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(15609):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
>"
>
>Could you please tell me how can I solve the problem?


Post the entire section of the error log from the time in question. You
have omitted all the information that would help diagnose this
problem. The most important part is the Python traceback.
-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
----------
The whole section is copied below:
"
admin(2745):    HTTP_COOKIE:
engelsiz-uni+admin=280200000069cb563747732800000061373462616233393830346232666366376163663863623563333565663162303161616538663163
admin(2745):    HTTP_REFERER:
http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(2745):    PATH_TRANSLATED:
/cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(2745):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(2745):    PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(8881):    HTTP_COOKIE:
engelsiz-uni+admin=280200000069ce0f3847732800000065363039633637306537333533383866303363316138386461366239333837626636666133626166
admin(8881):    PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(8881):    HTTP_REFERER:
http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(8881):    PATH_TRANSLATED:
/cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(8881):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(9327):    HTTP_COOKIE:
engelsiz-uni+admin=28020000006929103847732800000030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
admin(9327):    PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members
admin(9327):    HTTP_REFERER:
http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
admin(9327):    PATH_TRANSLATED: /cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members
admin(9327):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
admin(9407):    HTTP_COOKIE:
engelsiz-uni+admin=28020000006929103847732800000030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
admin(9407):    PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members
admin(9407):    HTTP_REFERER:
http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
admin(9407):    PATH_TRANSLATED: /cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members
admin(9407):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
admin(11017):   HTTP_COOKIE:
engelsiz-uni+admin=28020000006929103847732800000030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
admin(11017):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(11017):   HTTP_REFERER:
http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(11017):   PATH_TRANSLATED:
/cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(11017):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(12323):   HTTP_COOKIE:
engelsiz-uni+admin=28020000006929103847732800000030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
admin(12323):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(12323):   HTTP_REFERER:
http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(12323):   PATH_TRANSLATED:
/cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(12323):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(15609):   HTTP_COOKIE:
engelsiz-uni+admin=28020000006929103847732800000030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
admin(15609):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members
admin(15609):   HTTP_REFERER:
http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
admin(15609):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members
admin(15609):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members

"
By the way I still wonder why this problem occured, but i performed a
quick ans dirty solution, I removed the list without deleting
archives after listing the subscribers and opened again. subscribed
subscribers, archive was OK.
But I don't know whether this problem occurs again or not.

From Luke.Daly at newcastle.edu.au  Wed Nov 14 00:34:42 2007
From: Luke.Daly at newcastle.edu.au (Luke Daly)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:34:42 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] searching for a user in all lists
Message-ID: <473ACF42.7D71.00D6.1@newcastle.edu.au>

Is there a way i can scan all lists for an email address? the scenario
is i need to remove a user from all our lists (theres lots of them) in
one go. or at the least scan all lists for an email address.

Luke Daly
Systems Officer
IT Infrastructure
Newcastle University
17000
 

 


From jimc at nmcourts.com  Wed Nov 14 02:00:56 2007
From: jimc at nmcourts.com (Jim Coberly)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:00:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] searching for a user in all lists
In-Reply-To: <473ACF42.7D71.00D6.1@newcastle.edu.au>
References: <473ACF42.7D71.00D6.1@newcastle.edu.au>
Message-ID: <473A48C8.8050506@nmcourts.com>

I am not an expert, but take a look at the find_member and remove_member 
mailman utilities.  It looks to me like they might help.

Jim

Luke Daly wrote:
> Is there a way i can scan all lists for an email address? the scenario
> is i need to remove a user from all our lists (theres lots of them) in
> one go. or at the least scan all lists for an email address.
>
> Luke Daly
> Systems Officer
> IT Infrastructure
> Newcastle University
> 17000
>  
>
>  
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jimc%40nmcourts.com
>
> Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
>
>   

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From mdale at geniusmoon.com.au  Wed Nov 14 04:28:45 2007
From: mdale at geniusmoon.com.au (Mark Dale)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:28:45 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect link on empty archive page
Message-ID: <473A6B6D.20908@geniusmoon.com.au>


On the Archives page, when the archives are empty, Mailman displays the 
following message (which is correct).

"No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the archives are 
currently empty. You can get ."


However, there is an error with the "more info" link -  a slash is 
missing between "mailman" and "listinfo" in the link, and of course I 
get  a "Not found" reply.

Not Found
The requested URL .../cgi-bin/mailmanlistinfo/gen... was not found on 
this server.

I had a look at "emptyarchive.html" and it looks fine. The 
"%(listinfo)s" works on other pages.


--- snip from /etc/mailman/en/emptyarchive.html

The %(listname)s Archives 

No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the archives are
currently empty.  You can get more information
about this list.

--- end snip




Any clues from anyone would be greatly appreciated.

cheers
Mark Dale






From Phil.Race at Sun.COM  Wed Nov 14 05:15:50 2007
From: Phil.Race at Sun.COM (Phil Race)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:15:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Re-write the "To" field.
Message-ID: <473A7676.8060907@sun.com>

I've got  one-way list, which is getting its data for distribution from 
an upstream system by
mail which bcc's my list. As such the To: field appears as :

"To: undisclosed-recipients: ;"

this is mostly harmless, except for
1) people who reply-all (since the reply-to field I set properly)
2) aesthetic reasons
3) people who subscribe to the list but have filters which
cause the messages they want to be discarded or interpreted as spam.

I have no power to change the upstream system, and what influence
I have would take many months at best to bear fruit.

So I would like to be able to make the To: field be something of
my choosing but it seems I've just reached beyond the limits of
the configurability/scope of mailman.

I have read the various admonitions that mailman is not a CRM system
and trawled the FAQ, but I haven't come up with anything.

Ideas?

-phil.




From msapiro at value.net  Wed Nov 14 06:02:48 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:02:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubsription problem
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

liste yoneticisi wrote:

>The whole section is copied below:
>"
>admin(2745):    HTTP_COOKIE:
>engelsiz-uni+admin=280200000069cb563747732800000061373462616233393830346232666366376163663863623563333565663162303161616538663163
>admin(2745):    HTTP_REFERER:
>http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(2745):    PATH_TRANSLATED:
>/cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(2745):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(2745):    PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(8881):    HTTP_COOKIE:
>engelsiz-uni+admin=280200000069ce0f3847732800000065363039633637306537333533383866303363316138386461366239333837626636666133626166
>admin(8881):    PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(8881):    HTTP_REFERER:
>http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(8881):    PATH_TRANSLATED:
>/cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(8881):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(9327):    HTTP_COOKIE:
>engelsiz-uni+admin=28020000006929103847732800000030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
>__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
>admin(9327):    PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(9327):    HTTP_REFERER:
>http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(9327):    PATH_TRANSLATED: /cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(9327):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(9407):    HTTP_COOKIE:
>engelsiz-uni+admin=28020000006929103847732800000030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
>__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
>admin(9407):    PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(9407):    HTTP_REFERER:
>http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(9407):    PATH_TRANSLATED: /cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(9407):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(11017):   HTTP_COOKIE:
>engelsiz-uni+admin=28020000006929103847732800000030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
>__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
>admin(11017):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(11017):   HTTP_REFERER:
>http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(11017):   PATH_TRANSLATED:
>/cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(11017):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(12323):   HTTP_COOKIE:
>engelsiz-uni+admin=28020000006929103847732800000030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
>__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
>admin(12323):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(12323):   HTTP_REFERER:
>http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(12323):   PATH_TRANSLATED:
>/cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(12323):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(15609):   HTTP_COOKIE:
>engelsiz-uni+admin=28020000006929103847732800000030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
>__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
>admin(15609):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(15609):   HTTP_REFERER:
>http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(15609):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(15609):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members


Is this all that's there? What I expect to see for one specific error
is something like the following although with different specifics.

Nov 13 20:45:08 2007 admin(1656):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(1656): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.10a0 -----]
admin(1656): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(1656): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(1656):   File "/cygdrive/f/test-mailman/scripts/driver", line
101, in run_
main
admin(1656):     main()
admin(1656):   File "/cygdrive/f/test-mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py",
line 197, i
n main
admin(1656):     show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata)
admin(1656):   File "/cygdrive/f/test-mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py",
line 522, i
n show_results
admin(1656):     form.AddItem(show_variables(mlist, category, subcat,
cgidata, d
oc))
admin(1656):   File "/cygdrive/f/test-mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py",
line 571, i
n show_variables
admin(1656):     add_options_table_item(mlist, category, subcat, table,
item)
admin(1656):   File "/cygdrive/f/test-mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py",
line 586, i
n add_options_table_item
admin(1656):     val = get_item_gui_value(mlist, category, kind,
varname, params
, extra)
admin(1656):   File "/cygdrive/f/test-mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py",
line 617, i
n get_item_gui_value
admin(1656):     raise "bogus error"
admin(1656): bogus error
admin(1656): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(1656): sys.version     =   2.5.1 (r251:54863, May  7 2007,
17:32:04)
[GCC 3.4.4 (cygming special) (gdc 0.12, using dmd 0.125)]
admin(1656): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python
admin(1656): sys.prefix      =   /usr
admin(1656): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr
admin(1656): sys.path        =   /usr
admin(1656): sys.platform    =   cygwin
admin(1656): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(1656):    HTTP_REFERER: http://msapiro.net/mailman/admin/list1
admin(1656):    SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.33 (Cygwin)
admin(1656):    SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
admin(1656):    SERVER_SIGNATURE: 
Apache/1.3.33 Server at
msapiro Port
80
admin(1656):
admin(1656):    REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(1656):    HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300
admin(1656):    SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(1656):    QUERY_STRING:
admin(1656):    SYSTEMROOT: C:\WINDOWS
admin(1656):    CONTENT_LENGTH: 34
admin(1656):    HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
admin(1656):    HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT
5.1; en-US;
 rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20070321 Netscape/8.1.3
admin(1656):    TZ: PST8PDT7,M3.2.0/2,M11.1.0/2
admin(1656):    SERVER_NAME: msapiro
admin(1656):    REMOTE_PORT: 1133
admin(1656):    PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/htdocs/list1
admin(1656):    SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(1656):    SERVER_ADDR: 192.168.0.4
admin(1656):    DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/htdocs
admin(1656):    PYTHONPATH: /cygdrive/f/test-mailman
admin(1656):    SCRIPT_FILENAME: /cygdrive/f/test-mailman/cgi-bin/admin
admin(1656):    SERVER_ADMIN: msapiro at value.net
admin(1656):    HTTP_HOST: msapiro.net
admin(1656):    HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
admin(1656):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/list1
admin(1656):    HTTP_ACCEPT:
application/x-shockwave-flash,text/xml,application/
xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5
admin(1656):    WINDIR: C:\WINDOWS
admin(1656):    GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(1656):    REMOTE_ADDR: 68.183.193.239
admin(1656):    HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us,en;q=0.5
admin(1656):    CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(1656):    HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate
admin(1656):    UNIQUE_ID: Rzp9UsCoAAQAAAFgNu8
admin(1656):    PATH_INFO: /list1

Do you not have something like this in the error log?



>By the way I still wonder why this problem occured, but i performed a
>quick ans dirty solution, I removed the list without deleting
>archives after listing the subscribers and opened again. subscribed
>subscribers, archive was OK.
>But I don't know whether this problem occurs again or not.


Since the problem was with one list only, it was probably related to
something in that list's configuration (config.pck) file. Now that you
have removed and recreated the list, the problem no longer exists.

The only hope for knowing what the problem was at this point is the
error log information, assuming you have a complete log entry like the
example above.

If for some reason, your error log is missing the 90% of each log entry
that you didn't include, then there is a problem with the logging some
how, and we'll probably never know what the problem with the list was.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Nov 14 07:30:24 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:30:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Re-write the "To" field.
In-Reply-To: <473A7676.8060907@sun.com>
References: <473A7676.8060907@sun.com>
Message-ID: 

On 11/13/07, Phil Race wrote:

>  So I would like to be able to make the To: field be something of
>  my choosing but it seems I've just reached beyond the limits of
>  the configurability/scope of mailman.

Yup.  There's absolutely nothing that Mailman can do to help you 
here, at least not without making source level modifications to the 
code.

This is something that would most easily be fixed on your end within 
the MTA, to cause those headers to be re-written.  Removing and 
rewriting message headers is something that MTAs do as a standard 
part of their job, and they should have better tools for doing that 
than we have.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Nov 14 07:34:38 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:34:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] searching for a user in all lists
In-Reply-To: <473A48C8.8050506@nmcourts.com>
References: <473ACF42.7D71.00D6.1@newcastle.edu.au>
	<473A48C8.8050506@nmcourts.com>
Message-ID: 

On 11/13/07, Jim Coberly wrote:

>  I am not an expert, but take a look at the find_member and
>  remove_member mailman utilities.  It looks to me like they might help.

Yup.  Those are the ones you want.  Problem is, they're back-end 
command-line tools, and you'd need to be the site administrator with 
privileged access to the Mailman installation in order to run those 
commands.

In other words, a "normal" user account would not be sufficient -- 
you'd either have to be root, or otherwise have access to the Mailman 
userid, because all of the files in question will be owned and 
writable only by Mailman (or root).


I'm not sure if there are ways to automate these sorts of things 
through the web interface.  You'd need to check the appropriate entry 
in the FAQ Wizard for the web automation stuff to see if that's 
possible.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From zszalbot at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 08:35:12 2007
From: zszalbot at gmail.com (zbigniew szalbot)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:35:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending subscribers
Message-ID: <473AA530.1010208@gmail.com>

Hello,

Is there a command to see all the pending subscribers? Or better still a 
way to send them a reminder that they need to confirm their subscription?

Thank you very much!

Zbigniew Szalbot

From msapiro at value.net  Wed Nov 14 16:16:21 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:16:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending subscribers
In-Reply-To: <473AA530.1010208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

zbigniew szalbot wrote:
>
>Is there a command to see all the pending subscribers?

See  (mirrored
at ).

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Wed Nov 14 16:22:07 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:22:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Re-write the "To" field.
In-Reply-To: <473A7676.8060907@sun.com>
Message-ID: 

Phil Race wrote:
>
>So I would like to be able to make the To: field be something of
>my choosing but it seems I've just reached beyond the limits of
>the configurability/scope of mailman.


While Brad is correct that you can't make it "something of my
choosing", If you have the ability to enable list personalization
(i.e., it's your Mailman installation, or the host allows it in a
hosted Mailman), you and make each recipient's message be To: that
recipient.

See
.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From zszalbot at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 16:34:25 2007
From: zszalbot at gmail.com (zbigniew szalbot)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:34:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending subscribers
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <473B1581.6060102@gmail.com>

Thank you Mark,

Mark Sapiro pisze:

> zbigniew szalbot wrote:
>>
>>Is there a command to see all the pending subscribers?
> 
> See  (mirrored
> at ).
> 

I uploaded the script to /usr/local/mailman/bin
but when I run list_pending adwent
I get "list_pending: command not found"

$ l
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  mailman   4708 Nov 14 16:32 list_pending

Thanks!

From b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov  Wed Nov 14 16:45:09 2007
From: b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:45:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] searching for a user in all lists
In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Luke Daly '
	dated: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:34:42 +1100
Message-ID: <200711141545.lAEFj90k010666@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>

Luke Daly  wrote:

>Is there a way i can scan all lists for an email address? the scenario
>is i need to remove a user from all our lists (theres lots of them) in
>one go. or at the least scan all lists for an email address.

I have this script that runs via a cron each hour to produce a list
of all Mailman list subscriptions:

Mailman# cat mailman_who.exec
#!/bin/csh
# shell script to extract the subscriber addresses from each list.
# 01Feb07 1102AM  Barry Finkel
# 02Feb07 0821AM  Added another "echo" line.
# 16Mar07 0940AM  Changed "destfileold" to "$destfileold".
#                 Changed "/destfile" to "/$destfile"
# 16Mar07 1026AM  Changed the format of the destination file
# 20Jul07 1028AM  Added code to detect a list with no subscribers

set destdir = /etc/mailman/list_subscribers
set destfile = list_subscriptions
set destfilenew = list_subscriptions_new
set destfileold = list_subscriptions_old

date > $destdir/$destfilenew

# We assume that everything in this directory is a listname
# subdirectory.  If this is not the case, then we have to parse the
# "ls -al" output and remove the "." and ".." entries.
#
echo "----------" >> $destdir/$destfilenew
foreach list (`ls /var/lib/mailman/lists`)
#    In the following do we want "--fullnames"?
     /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members -o $destdir/$list $list
     if ( -z $destdir/$list ) then
          echo "NO_SUBSCRIBERS" > $destdir/$list
     endif
     cat $destdir/$list | \
         sed "s/^/$list /" \
        >> $destdir/$destfilenew
     echo "----------" >> $destdir/$destfilenew
end

if ( ! -z $destdir/$destfilenew ) then
     mv $destdir/$destfile $destdir/$destfileold
     mv $destdir/$destfilenew $destdir/$destfile
endif
Mailman#

I use it to see to what lists a given e-mail address is subscribed.
I have not had the need to automate unsubscribes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 222, Room D209              Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From msapiro at value.net  Wed Nov 14 16:47:08 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:47:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect link on empty archive page
In-Reply-To: <473A6B6D.20908@geniusmoon.com.au>
Message-ID: 

Mark Dale wrote:
>
>On the Archives page, when the archives are empty, Mailman displays the 
>following message (which is correct).
>
>"No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the archives are 
>currently empty. You can get ."
>
>
>However, there is an error with the "more info" link -  a slash is 
>missing between "mailman" and "listinfo" in the link, and of course I 
>get  a "Not found" reply.


My best guess is that at the time this specific list was created,
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN in mm_cfg.py was missing a trailing slash. E.g.,

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/cgi-bin/mailman'

This caused the list to be created with web_page_url missing the slash
which in turn caused the problem with the archive page.

If the links in this list's admin interface are correct, the
web_page_url is now correct, (corrected by running fix_url or ?), but
this page in the archive will continue to have the error until it is
replaced when a message is archived. If you don't want to wait for
that, the easiest fix it to manually edit the
archives/private//index.html file.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov  Wed Nov 14 16:50:10 2007
From: b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:50:10 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect link on empty archive page
In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Mark Dale '
	dated: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:28:45 +1100
Message-ID: <200711141550.lAEFoAYB010804@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>

Mark Dale  wrote:

>On the Archives page, when the archives are empty, Mailman displays the 
>following message (which is correct).
>
>"No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the archives are 
>currently empty. You can get ."
>
>
>However, there is an error with the "more info" link -  a slash is 
>missing between "mailman" and "listinfo" in the link, and of course I 
>get  a "Not found" reply.
>
>Not Found
>The requested URL .../cgi-bin/mailmanlistinfo/gen... was not found on 
>this server.
>
>I had a look at "emptyarchive.html" and it looks fine. The 
>"%(listinfo)s" works on other pages.
>
>
>--- snip from /etc/mailman/en/emptyarchive.html
>
>The %(listname)s Archives 
>
>No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the archives are
>currently empty.  You can get more information
>about this list.
>
>--- end snip
>
>
>
>
>Any clues from anyone would be greatly appreciated.
>
>cheers
>Mark Dale

Mark Sapiro reponded recently to one of my postings that the archive
page is static.  If you post something to the list, then the archive
page will be rebuilt and will have the proper hyperlinks.  I followed
Mark's advice, and my hyperlinks were corrected.  Why the hyperlink is
bad I do not know.  In my cases, it was due to different

     DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 

values when I was initially installing Mailman on my test system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 222, Room D209              Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From msapiro at value.net  Wed Nov 14 16:53:34 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:53:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending subscribers
In-Reply-To: <473B1581.6060102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

zbigniew szalbot wrote:
>
>I uploaded the script to /usr/local/mailman/bin
>but when I run list_pending adwent
>I get "list_pending: command not found"
>
>$ l
>-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  mailman   4708 Nov 14 16:32 list_pending


Check the shebang line at the top of the script.

#! /usr/bin/env python

This is an attempt to run python in a system independent way, but it
relies on the presence of /usr/bin/env which apparently is missing or
in a different place on your system.

You can replace the whole thing with

#! /path/to/python

if you prefer.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From zszalbot at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 17:11:44 2007
From: zszalbot at gmail.com (zbigniew szalbot)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:11:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending subscribers
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <473B1E40.9040808@gmail.com>

Hello,

Mark Sapiro pisze:

> zbigniew szalbot wrote:
>>
>>I uploaded the script to /usr/local/mailman/bin
>>but when I run list_pending adwent
>>I get "list_pending: command not found"
>>
>>$ l
>>-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  mailman   4708 Nov 14 16:32 list_pending
> 
> 
> Check the shebang line at the top of the script.
> 
> #! /usr/bin/env python
> 
> This is an attempt to run python in a system independent way, but it
> relies on the presence of /usr/bin/env which apparently is missing or
> in a different place on your system.
> 
> You can replace the whole thing with
> 
> #! /path/to/python

which on freebsd is in /usr/local/bin/python

Problem solved. Thanks again! I appreciate it!

Zbigniew Szalbot

From zszalbot at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 17:21:11 2007
From: zszalbot at gmail.com (zbigniew szalbot)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:21:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending subscribers
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <473B2077.6020903@gmail.com>

Dear Mark,

Mark Sapiro pisze:

> zbigniew szalbot wrote:
>>
>>I uploaded the script to /usr/local/mailman/bin
>>but when I run list_pending adwent
>>I get "list_pending: command not found"
>>
>>$ l
>>-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  mailman   4708 Nov 14 16:32 list_pending
> 
> 
> Check the shebang line at the top of the script.
> 
> #! /usr/bin/env python
> 
> This is an attempt to run python in a system independent way, but it
> relies on the presence of /usr/bin/env which apparently is missing or
> in a different place on your system.
> 
> You can replace the whole thing with
> 
> #! /path/to/python
> 
> if you prefer.

Since it works now, I would like to ask if list_pending is also able to 
send pending subscription requests (example being woken up by cron)?

Thanks!

Zbigniew Szalbot

From bcanty at apsa.org  Wed Nov 14 17:01:58 2007
From: bcanty at apsa.org (Brian Canty)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:01:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listing of Users marked nomail
Message-ID: <6B3A7025196C1A49AABB0E6C80AD5AE29185C8@apsaserv.APSA.local>

Does anyone know of an easy way to unsubscribe all those members who
have nomail populated with something?

Thanks in advance.


Brian Canty
Manager Computer Information Services
American Psychoanalytic Association
212-752-0450 x17



From stephen at xemacs.org  Wed Nov 14 19:21:47 2007
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:21:47 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending subscribers
In-Reply-To: <473B1581.6060102@gmail.com>
References: 
	<473B1581.6060102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87y7d03cxw.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

zbigniew szalbot writes:

 > I uploaded the script to /usr/local/mailman/bin
 > but when I run list_pending adwent
 > I get "list_pending: command not found"

is /usr/local/mailman/bin on your PATH?

From dermpathsy at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 21:39:57 2007
From: dermpathsy at gmail.com (Sate Hamza)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:39:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unintended multiple daily digest messages
Message-ID: <8854ff80711141239l59f3d30ftdc7efe639cf35bc2@mail.gmail.com>

I apologize in advance if this is a simple question that has been addressed
before. I am a new Mailman list administrator. I tried to search the
Archives for a possible similar instance but I did not find anything.

One user has informed me that the Daily Digest message was dispatched by
Mailman six times yesterday, instead of only one. Any ideas why this
happened, and how I can prevent it from happening again?

Thank you in advance and best regards,

Sate

-- 
Sate Hamza, MD, FRCPC
Dermatopathologist
Winnipeg, Canada

From mdale at geniusmoon.com.au  Wed Nov 14 22:49:32 2007
From: mdale at geniusmoon.com.au (Mark Dale)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:49:32 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect link on empty archive page
In-Reply-To: <200711141550.lAEFoAYB010804@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>
References: <200711141550.lAEFoAYB010804@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>
Message-ID: <473B6D6C.60101@geniusmoon.com.au>


Yes, the "%(listname)s" bit is fine when there is something in the 
archive. It's weird that it gets malformed (i.e the missing slash) when 
the archive is empty.

I tried some edits on "emptyarchive.html" file and restarted Mailman, 
but these edits didn't show up - so does that mean the empty arhive page 
is coming from somewhere other than "emptyarchive.html"?

cheers
Mark Dale


Barry Finkel wrote:

 > Mark Sapiro reponded recently to one of my postings that the archive
 > page is static.  If you post something to the list, then the archive
 > page will be rebuilt and will have the proper hyperlinks.  I followed
 > Mark's advice, and my hyperlinks were corrected.  Why the hyperlink is
 > bad I do not know.  In my cases, it was due to different
 >
 >      DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN =
 >
 > values when I was initially installing Mailman on my test system.
 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 > Barry S. Finkel



> Mark Dale  wrote:
> 
>> On the Archives page, when the archives are empty, Mailman displays the 
>> following message (which is correct).
>>
>> "No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the archives are 
>> currently empty. You can get ."
>>
>>
>> However, there is an error with the "more info" link -  a slash is 
>> missing between "mailman" and "listinfo" in the link, and of course I 
>> get  a "Not found" reply.
>>
>> Not Found
>> The requested URL .../cgi-bin/mailmanlistinfo/gen... was not found on 
>> this server.
>>
>> I had a look at "emptyarchive.html" and it looks fine. The 
>> "%(listinfo)s" works on other pages.
>>
>>
>> --- snip from /etc/mailman/en/emptyarchive.html
>>
>> 
The %(listname)s Archives 
>> 
>> No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the archives are
>> currently empty.  You can get more information
>> about this list.
>>
>> --- end snip
>>






From joey at linuxamd.com  Thu Nov 15 05:50:42 2007
From: joey at linuxamd.com (Joey Prestia)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:50:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Version
Message-ID: <473BD022.1060501@linuxamd.com>

Is there a way to remove the Mailman version number reference that is 
displayed at the bottom of the web interface pages. I am hesitant on 
implementing it with the version number displayed so as to help out 
anyone that might care to take a stab at hacking it.

-- 
Joey Prestia
Joey at linuxamd.com


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov 15 07:11:32 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:11:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listing of Users marked nomail
In-Reply-To: <6B3A7025196C1A49AABB0E6C80AD5AE29185C8@apsaserv.APSA.local>
Message-ID: 

Brian Canty wrote:

>Does anyone know of an easy way to unsubscribe all those members who
>have nomail populated with something?


 bin/list_members --nomail list | bin/remove_members --file=- list

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov 15 07:23:05 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:23:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unintended multiple daily digest messages
In-Reply-To: <8854ff80711141239l59f3d30ftdc7efe639cf35bc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Sate Hamza wrote:
>
>One user has informed me that the Daily Digest message was dispatched by
>Mailman six times yesterday, instead of only one. Any ideas why this
>happened, and how I can prevent it from happening again?


If this was six different digests, set Digest
0ptions->digest_size_threshhold to a much bigger number (at least 6
times its current value, but probably bigger than that).

If this was six copies of the same digest, the duplication probably
didn't occur in Mailman but rather between the outgoing MTA and
recipient - check the Received: headers in the 'duplicate' messages
and the MTA logs for more clues.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov 15 07:31:40 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:31:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect link on empty archive page
In-Reply-To: <473B6D6C.60101@geniusmoon.com.au>
Message-ID: 

Mark Dale wrote:
>
>Yes, the "%(listname)s" bit is fine when there is something in the 
>archive. It's weird that it gets malformed (i.e the missing slash) when 
>the archive is empty.
>
>I tried some edits on "emptyarchive.html" file and restarted Mailman, 
>but these edits didn't show up - so does that mean the empty arhive page 
>is coming from somewhere other than "emptyarchive.html"?


As I tried to indicate (implicitly, at least) in my reply at
,
the 'empty archive' web page is a static web page built at list
creation time based on "emptyarchive.html" and other things like the
value of web_page_url (which in turn depends on DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN)
at list creation time.

You can change the "emptyarchive.html" template and/or the list's
web_page_url attribute subsequent to creating the list, but these
things will not cause the list's 'empty archive' web page to be
rebuilt.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brad at shub-internet.org  Thu Nov 15 07:31:44 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:31:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unintended multiple daily digest messages
In-Reply-To: <8854ff80711141239l59f3d30ftdc7efe639cf35bc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8854ff80711141239l59f3d30ftdc7efe639cf35bc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

On 11/14/07, Sate Hamza wrote:

>  I apologize in advance if this is a simple question that has been addressed
>  before. I am a new Mailman list administrator. I tried to search the
>  Archives for a possible similar instance but I did not find anything.

Look at your logs, both the Mailman logs and the logs for your MTA 
(sendmail, postfix, Exim, whatever).  Does it look like you sent out 
multiple copies?

If not, can you get full and complete copies of all the headers of 
all of the supposed extra copies of the digest that were received? 
If so, then take a look at the "Received:" headers and see if they 
are all identical between each of the messages, or if there are 
slight differences.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov 15 07:48:51 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:48:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Version
In-Reply-To: <473BD022.1060501@linuxamd.com>
Message-ID: 

Joey Prestia wrote:

>Is there a way to remove the Mailman version number reference that is 
>displayed at the bottom of the web interface pages. I am hesitant on 
>implementing it with the version number displayed so as to help out 
>anyone that might care to take a stab at hacking it.


Ironically, to do this, you have to hack it yourself (although perhaps
not in the sense you mean) - specifically, the definition of the
MailmanLogo() function in Mailman/htmlformat.py.


IMO, security through obscurity is doomed to failure.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brad at shub-internet.org  Thu Nov 15 08:06:14 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:06:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Version
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

On 11/14/07, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>  IMO, security through obscurity is doomed to failure.

Agreed.  Any serious attacker, or anyone with moderately serious 
attack tools, is going to fingerprint the box and all the 
applications with something like Nessus, nmap, etc... and they'll 
know better than you do precisely what you're running and what you're 
vulnerable to, down to the level of what version of what libraries 
you're running.


If you leave the version number there, at least there's a chance that 
some nice person will come along and let you know that you're 
out-of-date.

Otherwise, you're not likely to notice until you've already been cracked.


For example, I've been involved with the Mailman project for years, 
and periodically I run across old installations of Mailman at various 
places I go on the 'net, and I do usually make a point of telling the 
respective folks about the updated versions and where they can find 
them.

But if you obscure your version number, then people like me cannot do 
that for people like you.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov  Thu Nov 15 14:24:29 2007
From: b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:24:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect link on empty archive page
In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Mark Dale '
	dated: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:49:32 +1100
Message-ID: <200711151324.lAFDOTJR013662@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>

Mark Dale  wrote in reply:

>Yes, the "%(listname)s" bit is fine when there is something in the 
>archive. It's weird that it gets malformed (i.e the missing slash) when 
>the archive is empty.
>
>I tried some edits on "emptyarchive.html" file and restarted Mailman, 
>but these edits didn't show up - so does that mean the empty arhive page 
>is coming from somewhere other than "emptyarchive.html"?

The archive page is a static page.  No matter how it was initally
constructed, editting "emptyarchive.html" file and restarted Mailman
will not change that page.  The only ways to change that page, per
Mark Sapiro, are to edit the actual page HTML or to post something
to the list.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 222, Room D209              Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From dermpathsy at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 15:56:40 2007
From: dermpathsy at gmail.com (Sate Hamza)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:56:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unintended multiple daily digest messages
In-Reply-To: 
References: <8854ff80711141239l59f3d30ftdc7efe639cf35bc2@mail.gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <8854ff80711150656w1e55b5f5u554fafc63eb6a92c@mail.gmail.com>

Yes. There were six different successive digests that were sent (6:11 AM ...
Vol 2, Issue 28, 9:26 AM ... Vol 2, Issue 29, 11:43 AM ... Vol 2, Issue 30,
12:02 PM ... Vol 2, Issue 31, 12:04 PM ... Vol 2, Issue 32 and 3:12 PM ...
Vol 2, Issue 33).
The "digest_size_threshhold" was 30Kb and the "digest_send_periodic" was set
to "Yes".

I thought the default was to send one daily digest only and not multiple
dailiy digests (i.e dispatch a digest every time the threshold is met). If I
set "digest_size_threshold" to 200Kb and "digest_send_periodic" was set to
"No", does that mean that no daily digest will be dispatched at all  in a
slow day when there may be few messages?

Sate

On 11/15/07, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
>
>
> If this was six different digests, set Digest
> 0ptions->digest_size_threshhold to a much bigger number (at least 6
> times its current value, but probably bigger than that).
>
>


-- 
Sate Hamza, MD, FRCPC
Dermatopathologist
Winnipeg, Canada

From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov 15 16:22:33 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:22:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unintended multiple daily digest messages
In-Reply-To: <8854ff80711150656w1e55b5f5u554fafc63eb6a92c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Sate Hamza wrote:

>Yes. There were six different successive digests that were sent (6:11 AM ...
>Vol 2, Issue 28, 9:26 AM ... Vol 2, Issue 29, 11:43 AM ... Vol 2, Issue 30,
>12:02 PM ... Vol 2, Issue 31, 12:04 PM ... Vol 2, Issue 32 and 3:12 PM ...
>Vol 2, Issue 33).


Note that this has happened before. Assuming that
digest_volume_frequency is Monthly, there were already 27 digests
produced in the first 12 days of the November.


>The "digest_size_threshhold" was 30Kb and the "digest_send_periodic" was set
>to "Yes".
>
>I thought the default was to send one daily digest only and not multiple
>dailiy digests (i.e dispatch a digest every time the threshold is met).


No. A digest will always be produced when the size of the accumulated
messages reaches digest_size_threshhold. The only control you have
over this is to set digest_size_threshhold bigger. Note that the
threshhold is the size of the accumulated messages file. The actual
digest (at least the plain text digest) may be smaller due to
scrubbing of attachments.


>If I
>set "digest_size_threshold" to 200Kb and "digest_send_periodic" was set to
>"No", does that mean that no daily digest will be dispatched at all  in a
>slow day when there may be few messages?


Yes.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rwalls at mcclatchyinteractive.com  Thu Nov 15 17:47:19 2007
From: rwalls at mcclatchyinteractive.com (Robin Walls - McClatchy Interactive)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:47:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error log messages and troubleshooting possible
	slow message sends
Message-ID: <473C7817.9040504@mcclatchyinteractive.com>

I cleaned up a lot of unused scripts, but appear to have missed a step, 
because the error log file has many entries for the lists that were 
removed.  Would anyone happen to know what steps are necessary to make 
the error messages go away? I used the script "rmlist" to delete the lists.
Nov 11 05:17:48 2007 post(2297): post script, list not found: nao-opinion
Nov 11 05:17:48 2007 post(2298): post script, list not found: nao-sports
Nov 11 05:19:55 2007 mailcmd(2367): mailcmd script, list not found: 
nao-opinion

Additionally, we have been receiving complaints that certain list 
members are not getting emails in a timely fashion.  While it appears to 
be their email provider or spam filter, Mailman is being blamed.  The 
person's account is set to receive individual messages, so they are not 
being held for digest. 

I believe the "post" log shows when the message was received by Mailman; 
however I am not finding the log that says when it was sent.  I assumed 
it would be "smtp", but there is currently no mention of the recent 
email being sent (I did receive it). Do messages get sent out in batches 
and then recorded upon completion or leave the server all at once?

Thank you for any information you can provide.

Sincerely,

Robin Walls
rwalls at mcclatchyinteractive.com

-- 
Robin Walls
McClatchy Interactive
(919) 861-1243
AIM:rwallsmi


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov 15 19:06:34 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:06:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error log messages and troubleshooting
	possibleslow message sends
In-Reply-To: <473C7817.9040504@mcclatchyinteractive.com>
Message-ID: 

Robin Walls - McClatchy Interactive wrote:

>I cleaned up a lot of unused scripts, but appear to have missed a step, 
>because the error log file has many entries for the lists that were 
>removed.  Would anyone happen to know what steps are necessary to make 
>the error messages go away? I used the script "rmlist" to delete the lists.
>Nov 11 05:17:48 2007 post(2297): post script, list not found: nao-opinion
>Nov 11 05:17:48 2007 post(2298): post script, list not found: nao-sports
>Nov 11 05:19:55 2007 mailcmd(2367): mailcmd script, list not found: 
>nao-opinion



It appears that your MTA uses manual aliases for Mailman and you didn't
remove the aliases for the deleted lists (If your Mailman installation
is properly configured, rmlist should report what aliases need to be
removed).

In any case, the MTA is still trying to deliver mail to Mailman for the
lists that no longer exist.


>Additionally, we have been receiving complaints that certain list 
>members are not getting emails in a timely fashion.  While it appears to 
>be their email provider or spam filter, Mailman is being blamed.  The 
>person's account is set to receive individual messages, so they are not 
>being held for digest. 
>
>I believe the "post" log shows when the message was received by Mailman; 


No. It actually shows the time that the outgoing post was delivered to
the MTA.


>however I am not finding the log that says when it was sent.  I assumed 
>it would be "smtp", but there is currently no mention of the recent 
>email being sent (I did receive it). Do messages get sent out in batches 
>and then recorded upon completion or leave the server all at once?


Yes. All outgoing mail should be logged in the smtp log. One message is
delivered in chunks of from one to hundreds (depending on various
Mailman settings) of recipients per chunk. After all chunks have been
delivered (or attempted to be delivered) to the outgoing MTA, a single
smtp log entry and a single post log entry is written for that
message, and then the next outgoing message, if any, is processed.


>Thank you for any information you can provide.


Check your MTA logs (maillog ?) as well as the MTA has much more
information about when individual messages were sent on and what
delays may have occurred.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov 15 21:28:38 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:28:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] searching for a user in all lists
In-Reply-To: <200711141545.lAEFj90k010666@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>
Message-ID: 

Barry Finkel wrote:
>
>I use it to see to what lists a given e-mail address is subscribed.
>I have not had the need to automate unsubscribes.


Try

 bin/find_member .

(that is find all members matching the regexp '.' in all lists). Or if
you just examine your result on an ad hoc basis,

 bin/find_member 


will list all the list to which  is subscribed.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov 15 21:39:50 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:39:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending subscribers
In-Reply-To: <473B2077.6020903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

zbigniew szalbot wrote:
>
>Since it works now, I would like to ask if list_pending is also able to 
>send pending subscription requests (example being woken up by cron)?


If you mean will the script send reminders to those with unconfirmed
requests, the answer is not as written, but it wouldn't be dificult to
modify it to do so.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From hjalmar.janos at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 23:18:37 2007
From: hjalmar.janos at gmail.com (hjalmar)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:18:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
Message-ID: 

Hi folks!

Yes virtual domains, again.
I have been reading and tested the virtual domain configuration as explained
by the mailman documentation but I can't get it working at my work.

We have two domains domain1.com and domain2.com.
domain1.com is the primary domain and domain2.com is the virtual one.

In my /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py config I have the following:

MTA='Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.domain1.com', 'lists.domain2.com']

In postfix:
mydomain = domain1.com
myhost = mail.domain1.com
mydestination = $myhost, localhost.$mydomain
recipient_delimiter = +
recive_override_options = no_address_mappings
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual,
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman


Files:
/etc/postfix/virtual
list-tow at domain2.com     list-tow
...

/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
list-one at domain1.com     list-one
...

/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
list-one                 "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post list-one"
list-tow                 "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post list-tow"
...

This create a lot of unessesary complexity. Everytime we have to create a
new list on domain2.com we have also to edit /etc/postfix/virtual.
How do I have to confiure mailman/postfix to let mailman automaticaly create
the correct information for our list in t.ex.
/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman?


OS: Ubuntu 6.06.1
Postfix: 2.2.10
Mailman: 2.1.5


/hj

From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov 16 00:16:33 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:16:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

hjalmar wrote:
>
>Yes virtual domains, again.
>I have been reading and tested the virtual domain configuration as explained
>by the mailman documentation but I can't get it working at my work.


Which documentation.


>We have two domains domain1.com and domain2.com.
>domain1.com is the primary domain and domain2.com is the virtual one.
>
>In my /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py config I have the following:
>
>MTA='Postfix'
>POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.domain1.com', 'lists.domain2.com']


You may or may not want the primary domain listed here. If it is truly
the primary domain in Postfix, you don't need virtual alias maps for
that domain.

I suggest you want

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.domain2.com']

or if I look at what you have below, I think you want

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['domain2.com']

i.e., the domain you want there is the virtual email domain.


>In postfix:
>mydomain = domain1.com
>myhost = mail.domain1.com
>mydestination = $myhost, localhost.$mydomain
>recipient_delimiter = +
>recive_override_options = no_address_mappings

I don't think you want the above line.


>alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases


No. You want only

alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases

>virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual,
>hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman


You also want

virtual_alias_domains = domain2.com

>
>
>Files:
>/etc/postfix/virtual
>list-tow at domain2.com     list-tow

You don't want the above here, you want it below.
>...
>
>/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
>list-one at domain1.com     list-one

and you don't want the above here at all. You just want the 10
addresses per list for the domain2 lists. Mailman will do this for you.
>...
>
>/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>list-one                 "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post list-one"
>list-tow                 "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post list-tow"
>...


Here you need 10 aliases per list and Mailman will do this for you.


>This create a lot of unessesary complexity. Everytime we have to create a
>new list on domain2.com we have also to edit /etc/postfix/virtual.


No. Every time you create/delete a domain2 list, Mailman will update
/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman and
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases for you.

Every time you create/delete a domain1 list, Mailman will update
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases for you.



>How do I have to confiure mailman/postfix to let mailman automaticaly create
>the correct information for our list in t.ex.
>/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman?

As I explain above.

Also see  and
.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mkabot at soarol.com  Fri Nov 16 04:05:20 2007
From: mkabot at soarol.com (Michael Kabot)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:05:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic bounce processing question
In-Reply-To: <010501c80888$db06a780$9113f680$@com>
References: 	
	<010501c80888$db06a780$9113f680$@com>
Message-ID: <004f01c827fd$864a3b00$92deb100$@com>

Ok... very basic question but I cannot find an answer anywhere.  I've been
through the documentation, the FAQ, done a few Google searches - nothing.

If you turn bounce processing OFF on a mailman list - where do bounce
messages go?  Back to the sender, to the moderator, both, neither?

Thanks in advance,

Mike Kabot


From nrudd at caj.or.jp  Fri Nov 16 06:27:39 2007
From: nrudd at caj.or.jp (Nate Rudd)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:27:39 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop all -owner mail
In-Reply-To: <37919914-80DE-4254-9C78-8B7BCE01057E@caj.or.jp>
References: <37919914-80DE-4254-9C78-8B7BCE01057E@caj.or.jp>
Message-ID: 

As, I forgot that I would like the e-mails from the Mailman system to  
still reach me, would there be anything I am missing if I set a rule  
in my e-mail program that says:

Any mail not from "mailman-bounces" to "*-owner" -> Delete or Mark as  
Junk

Thanks.

Nate Rudd

On Nov 16, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Nate Rudd wrote:

> I would like to stop mail to my "[listname]-owner" addresses for  
> all my lists.  Is there a simple way to do this?
>
> Nate Rudd
> Technology Coordinator
> Christian Academy in Japan
> nrudd at caj.or.jp
>
>


From nrudd at caj.or.jp  Fri Nov 16 06:16:44 2007
From: nrudd at caj.or.jp (Nate Rudd)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:16:44 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop all -owner mail
Message-ID: <37919914-80DE-4254-9C78-8B7BCE01057E@caj.or.jp>

I would like to stop mail to my "[listname]-owner" addresses for all  
my lists.  Is there a simple way to do this?

Nate Rudd
Technology Coordinator
Christian Academy in Japan
nrudd at caj.or.jp



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov 16 07:46:05 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:46:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop all -owner mail
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Nate Rudd wrote:

>As, I forgot that I would like the e-mails from the Mailman system to  
>still reach me, would there be anything I am missing if I set a rule  
>in my e-mail program that says:
>
>Any mail not from "mailman-bounces" to "*-owner" -> Delete or Mark as  
>Junk


As you note, some (most) Mailman generated notices to the
owners/moderators are sent to the listname-owner address first and
then resent to the owners/moderators.

They do not all come from mailman-bounces. Some such as held post
notifications come from listname-bounces, so you'd have to pass that
sender too.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov 16 08:03:14 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:03:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic bounce processing question
In-Reply-To: <004f01c827fd$864a3b00$92deb100$@com>
Message-ID: 

Michael Kabot wrote:
>
>If you turn bounce processing OFF on a mailman list - where do bounce
>messages go?  Back to the sender, to the moderator, both, neither?


If bounce processing is off for a list, mail to the list-bounces
address is not processed at all. It is completely ignored.

The 'Details for bounce_processing' link puts it this way "By setting
this value to No, you disable all automatic bounce processing for this
list, however bounce messages will still be discarded so that the list
administrator isn't inundated with them."

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mkabot at soarol.com  Fri Nov 16 14:33:51 2007
From: mkabot at soarol.com (Michael Kabot)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:33:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic bounce processing question
In-Reply-To: 
References: <004f01c827fd$864a3b00$92deb100$@com>
	
Message-ID: <00f201c82855$543e4f40$fcbaedc0$@com>

Mark,

Thanks!  Surprise, right there but I didn't see it.

Is there anyway to turn the bounce processing score feature off, prevent
bounces from going back to list members, but still have bounce messages go
the list owner?

Mike

| -----Original Message-----
| From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net]
| Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:03 AM
| To: mkabot at soarol.com; Mailman-Users at python.org
| Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Basic bounce processing question
| 
| Michael Kabot wrote:
| >
| >If you turn bounce processing OFF on a mailman list - where do bounce
| >messages go?  Back to the sender, to the moderator, both, neither?
| 
| 
| If bounce processing is off for a list, mail to the list-bounces
| address is not processed at all. It is completely ignored.
| 
| The 'Details for bounce_processing' link puts it this way "By setting
| this value to No, you disable all automatic bounce processing for this
| list, however bounce messages will still be discarded so that the list
| administrator isn't inundated with them."
| 
| --
| Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
| San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov 16 17:31:13 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:31:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic bounce processing question
In-Reply-To: <00f201c82855$543e4f40$fcbaedc0$@com>
Message-ID: 

Michael Kabot wrote:
>
>Is there anyway to turn the bounce processing score feature off, prevent
>bounces from going back to list members, but still have bounce messages go
>the list owner?


You do this in the MTA. If the MTA has an alias like:

listname-bounces: "|/path/to/mail/mailman bounces listname"

You change it to

listname-bounces: "|/path/to/mail/mailman owner listname"

If the MTA uses some other kind of routing for Mailman, you do the
equivalent thing.

Note that bounces from RFC compliant MTAs will always be returned to
the listname-bounces address (the envelope sender). That address is
also put in Sender: and Errors-To: headers in the outgoing mail to
help non-compliant MTAs get it right. Still, there are non-compliant
MTAs that will return bounces to the From: or other header address.
There's nothing Mailman can do about that.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ge at linuxbox.org  Fri Nov 16 17:36:12 2007
From: ge at linuxbox.org (Gadi Evron)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:36:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email notifications verbosity [was: Stop all -owner
	mail]
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Nate Rudd wrote:
>
>> As, I forgot that I would like the e-mails from the Mailman system to
>> still reach me, would there be anything I am missing if I set a rule
>> in my e-mail program that says:
>>
>> Any mail not from "mailman-bounces" to "*-owner" -> Delete or Mark as
>> Junk
>
>
> As you note, some (most) Mailman generated notices to the
> owners/moderators are sent to the listname-owner address first and
> then resent to the owners/moderators.
>
> They do not all come from mailman-bounces. Some such as held post
> notifications come from listname-bounces, so you'd have to pass that
> sender too.

What would really help me is some verbosity, such as difference in 
subject lines between administrative notes and spam sent to -bounces.

Also, if a user gets unsubscribed, did they do it? Were they bouncing?

How, if possible, do I set that?

 	Gadi.

From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov 16 19:17:19 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:17:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email notifications verbosity [was: Stop all
	-owner mail]
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Gadi Evron wrote:
>
>What would really help me is some verbosity, such as difference in 
>subject lines between administrative notes and spam sent to -bounces.


The spam is forwarded to you as an unrecognized bounce, i.e. a message
that was sent to listname-bounces and which we do not recognize as
some kind of delivery status notification. This implies that since we
can't recognize it as a DSN, we can't determine whether it is a DSN or
spam. The best we could do I think is append the original message
subject to the "Unrecognized bounce" subject, e.g.

Subject: Unrecognized bounce - Unable to deliver your message
Subject: Unrecognized bounce - Rolex for sale cheap


>Also, if a user gets unsubscribed, did they do it? Were they bouncing?
>
>How, if possible, do I set that?


These are legitimate feature requests. You can add this to the tracker
at , but the
best way to get any feature into the base Mailman code is to implement
it yourself following Mailman and Python coding standards and submit
it as a patch. If you are interested in this, see
 and
 as starting points.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Nov 16 20:09:11 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:09:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop all -owner mail
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>As you note, some (most) Mailman generated notices to the
>owners/moderators are sent to the listname-owner address first and
>then resent to the owners/moderators.
>
>They do not all come from mailman-bounces. Some such as held post
>notifications come from listname-bounces, so you'd have to pass that
>sender too.


I think I was confused when I wrote the above. Actually, held post
notifications are sent to listname-owner with a From: header of
listname-owner (not listname-bounces), but the envelope is from
mailman-bounces.

In fact, all owner notices generated using the
Message.OwnerNotification() class will have an envelope from the site
list -bounces address.


-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mk at epasella.com  Fri Nov 16 19:39:20 2007
From: mk at epasella.com (Mervyn Kahn)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:39:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] settings in the from field
Message-ID: 

Can you please assist.
 
How do or what do I have to do to change the from to have less than all of
the following
epasella-bounces at epasella.biz; on behalf of; Teamepasella
[teamepasella at gmail.com]
 
Can I eliminate the epasella-bounces at epasella.biz; from the from ?
 
Thank you.
 
Mervyn Kahn

From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Nov 17 04:24:15 2007
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:24:15 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  settings in the from field
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <871wap5zc0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Mervyn Kahn writes:

 > How do or what do I have to do to change the from to have less than all of
 > the following
 > epasella-bounces at epasella.biz; on behalf of; Teamepasella
 > [teamepasella at gmail.com]

You can't; this is a bug in the user's mail program, probably Outlook.
The most straightforward approach is to tell your users not to use
Outlook.  (I'm joking; you can't really do that, of course.  But it's
the only thing that will work without harming your lists.)

Internet mail has two separate headers, "From" which gives the
author's return address, and "Sender" which indicates the source
account which actually injected the message into the mail system.  You
should reply to "From" if you want to discuss the content of the
message, but to "Sender" if there is a technical question (such as a
change of address).  Very often they are the same, of course,
especially in personal mail.  Most mail programs sensibly show only
the "From" address by default; few users ever need to communicate with
mail administrators on other systems.  Unfortunately, Outlook thinks
it's a good idea to show both if they are different, combining them in
the format "SENDER on behalf of FROM".

Mailman uses this distinction to ensure that "bounces" from
undeliverable addresses (which are very common on mailing lists these
days) are sent to the mailing list administrator, *not* to the author
of the post who usually has no idea who else is or should be
subscribed to the list.

 > Can I eliminate the epasella-bounces at epasella.biz; from the from ?

Not without editing the Mailman source code, and suffering from the
lack of competent bounce processing.

For more details, see the FAQ

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp


From brad at shub-internet.org  Sat Nov 17 05:36:58 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:36:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] settings in the from field
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

On 11/16/07, Mervyn Kahn wrote:

>  How do or what do I have to do to change the from to have less than all of
>  the following
>  epasella-bounces at epasella.biz; on behalf of; Teamepasella
>  [teamepasella at gmail.com]
>
>  Can I eliminate the epasella-bounces at epasella.biz; from the from ?

You previously asked us this same question on Tue, 21 Aug 2007 
23:31:18 +0200, and I'm pretty sure we pointed you to the answer in 
the FAQ at 
.

Looking at the other messages from you around that time, my 
understanding was that you had understood that answer and perhaps 
corrected the perception by the user regarding this matter.

Is this not correct?  Did we miss something?

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com  Sat Nov 17 20:01:20 2007
From: CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com (Charles Marcus)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:01:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shared non-member filters
Message-ID: <473F3A80.3060404@Media-Brokers.com>

Hello,

I'm almost sure I saw mention of something like this somewhere, but 
googling isn't finding it...

Is there a patch available for Mailman that will let multiple lists 
share another lists non-member (and maybe other) filters?

Thanks,

-- 

Best regards,

Charles

From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Sun Nov 18 00:07:33 2007
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:07:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restoring Mailman after a crash?
Message-ID: <473F7435.4040901@mail.otherwhen.com>

Until last week, I was pretty lucky with Mailman.  I installed it, and 
it did its thing.  Beautifully.

Last week my FreeBSD system had a disk crash.  The drive only makes 
sickening clicking sounds and SpinRite can't touch it.

Luckily, I'd been doing weekly backups, so I didn't lose more than a day 
or two of messages.  I backed up by running tar on the entire mailman 
directory structure.  And it's all there!

But, now comes the fun part, how do I recreate the mailing lists, the 
archives, and so on?  Is there a FAQ entry?  If so, I haven't seen it.

Thanks,
Mike


From msapiro at value.net  Sun Nov 18 03:26:42 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:26:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restoring Mailman after a crash?
In-Reply-To: <473F7435.4040901@mail.otherwhen.com>
Message-ID: 

Mike Avery wrote:
>
>Luckily, I'd been doing weekly backups, so I didn't lose more than a day 
>or two of messages.  I backed up by running tar on the entire mailman 
>directory structure.  And it's all there!
>
>But, now comes the fun part, how do I recreate the mailing lists, the 
>archives, and so on?  Is there a FAQ entry?  If so, I haven't seen it.


If you have the entire mailman tree, that's it. Just restore it and
start Mailman.

The lists are all in Mailman's lists/ directory and the archives are
all in Mailman's archives/private/ directory. There are also symlinks
in archives/public/ for lists with public archives. The caveat here is
make sure the backup/restore process restores symlinks and not files
to archives/public/. If you wind up with files there, it's best to
just remove them and let Mailman recreate the symlinks which it will
do if you just access the list (say in the web admin interface).

The thread at

linked from

is one of many discussions of what files have to be moved to move
lists/archives from one installation to another and is thus applicable
to restoring files.

There ar also a couple of FAQ articles on backing up lists


-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Sun Nov 18 07:58:16 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:58:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shared non-member filters
In-Reply-To: <473F3A80.3060404@Media-Brokers.com>
Message-ID: 

Charles Marcus wrote:
>
>Is there a patch available for Mailman that will let multiple lists 
>share another lists non-member (and maybe other) filters?


I think you mean
.
This patch allows specifying the name of a list (say list2) in list1's
accept_these_nonmembers so that members of list2 can post to list1
even if they aren't members of list1.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl  Sun Nov 18 11:23:42 2007
From: lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl (lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:23:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? how to delete mailing lists
Message-ID: <20071118102629.44EBD20136C@duinheks.xs4all.nl>

Hallo,

I've installed mailman 2.1.9 this weekend and so far I like it.
I have one question to which I could not find the answer in the
documentation:
how do I delete a mailing list?
No doubt there will be more questions later :)

Groeten,

           Hans.

jdh punt beekhuizen bij duinheks punt xs4all punt nl

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5/071030
 * Origin: The Wizard is using MBSE/Linux (2:280/1018)

From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de  Sun Nov 18 11:29:09 2007
From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:29:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? how to delete mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20071118102629.44EBD20136C@duinheks.xs4all.nl>
References: <20071118102629.44EBD20136C@duinheks.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: 

-- lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl is rumored to have mumbled on 18. 
November 2007 11:23:42 +0100 regarding [Mailman-Users] ? how to delete 
mailing lists:

> I've installed mailman 2.1.9 this weekend and so far I like it.
> I have one question to which I could not find the answer in the
> documentation:
> how do I delete a mailing list?

rmlist
--
Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Flachbau), Zi. 18, Robert-Koch-Str. 10
Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK
Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587
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From brad at shub-internet.org  Sun Nov 18 11:47:40 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:47:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? how to delete mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20071118102629.44EBD20136C@duinheks.xs4all.nl>
References: <20071118102629.44EBD20136C@duinheks.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: 

On 11/18/07, lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl wrote:

>  I've installed mailman 2.1.9 this weekend and so far I like it.
>  I have one question to which I could not find the answer in the
>  documentation:
>  how do I delete a mailing list?
>  No doubt there will be more questions later :)

In addition to the Mailman documentation at 
, there is also the Mailman FAQ Wizard 
at .

If you search the FAQ Wizard for "remove a list", you should find the answer.


Then there is the archives of the mailman-users mailing list, and the 
instructions for searching this list can be found at 
.

If you don't find the answer when you look through the documentation 
or by searching the FAQ Wizard, you should next try searching the 
archives of the list.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl  Sun Nov 18 14:49:23 2007
From: lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl (lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:49:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? how to delete mailing lists
Message-ID: <20071118135245.C8250201385@duinheks.xs4all.nl>

Hallo Brad,

Op zondag 18 november 2007 schreef Brad Knowles aan
lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4al:

 >>  I have one question to which I could not find the answer in the
 >>  documentation:
 >>  how do I delete a mailing list?

 BK> In addition to the Mailman documentation at
 BK> , there is also the Mailman FAQ
 BK> Wizard at .

 BK> If you search the FAQ Wizard for "remove a list", you should
 BK> find the answer.

Maybe. But "delete a list" did not give me any clues :)

Groeten,

           Hans.

jdh punt beekhuizen bij duinheks punt xs4all punt nl

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From lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl  Sun Nov 18 14:48:04 2007
From: lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl (lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:48:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? how to delete mailing lists
Message-ID: <20071118135245.BBCEF20136C@duinheks.xs4all.nl>

Hallo Sebastian,

Op zondag 18 november 2007 schreef Sebastian Hagedorn aan

 >> it. I have one question to which I could not find the answer
 >> in the documentation:
 >> how do I delete a mailing list?
 SH> rmlist

That works perfectly. Thank you very much.

Groeten,

           Hans.

jdh punt beekhuizen bij duinheks punt xs4all punt nl

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From msapiro at value.net  Sun Nov 18 16:47:21 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:47:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? how to delete mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20071118135245.C8250201385@duinheks.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: 

lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl wrote:
>Op zondag 18 november 2007 schreef Brad Knowles aan
>
> BK> If you search the FAQ Wizard for "remove a list", you should
> BK> find the answer.
>
>Maybe. But "delete a list" did not give me any clues :)

The FAQ wizard thinks the quotes in "delete a list" are part of what
you're searching for. If you search for the simple string

  delete a list

(i.e.,
)
you will get FAQ 4.31 which answers your question.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl  Sun Nov 18 20:53:23 2007
From: lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl (lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:53:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? how to delete mailing lists
Message-ID: <20071118195449.4AD1020136C@duinheks.xs4all.nl>

Hallo Mark,

Op zondag 18 november 2007 schreef Mark Sapiro aan
lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4al:

 >> Maybe. But "delete a list" did not give me any clues :)
 MS> The FAQ wizard thinks the quotes in "delete a list" are part of
 MS> what you're searching for. If you search for the simple string
 MS>   delete a list

Thank you. I'll remember that next time I need it [I hope :)].

Groeten,

           Hans.

jdh punt beekhuizen bij duinheks punt xs4all punt nl

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From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Mon Nov 19 05:21:41 2007
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:21:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restoring Mailman after a crash?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <47410F55.1080200@mail.otherwhen.com>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> If you have the entire mailman tree, that's it. Just restore it and
> start Mailman.
>
>   


Thanks for the pointers!  We're back on line and my users have stopped 
whinging.

Best wishes,
Mike


From CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com  Mon Nov 19 12:19:51 2007
From: CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com (Charles Marcus)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:19:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shared non-member filters
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <47417157.9080102@Media-Brokers.com>

>> Is there a patch available for Mailman that will let multiple lists 
>> share another lists non-member (and maybe other) filters?

> I think you mean
> .
> This patch allows specifying the name of a list (say list2) in list1's
> accept_these_nonmembers so that members of list2 can post to list1
> even if they aren't members of list1.

Yep, thats it, thanks! According to the bug tracker, this patch will be 
included in 2.1.10...

-- 

Best regards,

Charles

From hjalmar.janos at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 17:32:49 2007
From: hjalmar.janos at gmail.com (hjalmar)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:32:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4741BAB1.7010603@gmail.com>

Hi Mark

Thanks for your replay!


Mark Sapiro skrev:
>> We have two domains domain1.com and domain2.com.
>> domain1.com is the primary domain and domain2.com is the virtual one.
>>
>> In my /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py config I have the following:
>>
>> MTA='Postfix'
>> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.domain1.com', 'lists.domain2.com']
>>     
>
>
> You may or may not want the primary domain listed here. If it is truly
> the primary domain in Postfix, you don't need virtual alias maps for
> that domain.
>
> I suggest you want
>
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.domain2.com']
>
> or if I look at what you have below, I think you want
>
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['domain2.com']
>
> i.e., the domain you want there is the virtual email domain.
>   
ok, will test it.

>> In postfix:
>> mydomain = domain1.com
>> myhost = mail.domain1.com
>> mydestination = $myhost, localhost.$mydomain
>> recipient_delimiter = +
>> recive_override_options = no_address_mappings
>>     
>
> I don't think you want the above line.
>   

why? the mailman doc. says to add this line to main.cf.

>> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>> alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>>     
>
> No. You want only
>
> alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
>
>   
>> virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual,
>> hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
>>     
>
>
> You also want
>
> virtual_alias_domains = domain2.com
>
>   
>> Files:
>> /etc/postfix/virtual
>> list-tow at domain2.com     list-tow
>>     
>
> You don't want the above here, you want it below.
>   
>> ...
>>
>> /var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
>> list-one at domain1.com     list-one
>>     
>
> and you don't want the above here at all. You just want the 10
> addresses per list for the domain2 lists. Mailman will do this for you.
>   

Ok, thanks.


/hj


From jtp at cs.cmu.edu  Mon Nov 19 20:47:54 2007
From: jtp at cs.cmu.edu (Jim Park)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:47:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A question about Non-member filters
Message-ID: <4741E86A.6080507@cs.cmu.edu>

All,
 I have a question on a problem that one of my list admins is seeing.  
We have a non-member filter setup for a specific email address that is 
allowed to post to a particular list.  When the list member attempts to 
send to the list the list admin receives the following information.
My question is what does the Reason Message has implicit destination mean?



To: il-cmu-sycara-owner at LOGANBERRY.srv.cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Il-cmu-sycara post from trac at poirot.bbn.com requires approval
From: il-cmu-sycara-owner at LOGANBERRY.srv.cs.cmu.edu
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MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: 

Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:25:05 -0500
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X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6
X-List-Administrivia: yes

[1  ]
As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

    List:    Il-cmu-sycara at mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu
    From:    trac at poirot.bbn.com
    Subject: Re: [POIROT] #87: Remove Kazuki from the OVM unit tests
    Reason:  Message has implicit destination

At your convenience, visit:

    https://mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu/mailman/admindb/il-cmu-sycara
       
to approve or deny the request.
[2  ]
Subject: Re: [POIROT] #87: Remove Kazuki from the OVM unit tests
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Thanks,
 -Jim

-- 
Jim Park
Senior Help Desk Consultant
SCS Computing Facilities Help Desk
Wean Hall 3613
Phone: 8-1269



From b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov  Mon Nov 19 21:10:25 2007
From: b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:10:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A question about Non-member filters
In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Jim Park '
	dated: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:47:54 -0500
Message-ID: <200711192010.lAJKAPtF008930@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>

Jim Park  wrote:

>All,
> I have a question on a problem that one of my list admins is seeing.  
>We have a non-member filter setup for a specific email address that is 
>allowed to post to a particular list.  When the list member attempts to 
>send to the list the list admin receives the following information.
>My question is what does the Reason Message has implicit destination mean?

Implicit destination means that the list name was in a "Bcc:" line;
it was not in a "To:" nor "Cc:" line.  There are two ways to fix this:

1) Tell your posters to place the list name in a "To:" or "Cc:" line.
   That is what I do.

2) Under "Privacy options...", "Recipient filters" set the

        require_explicit_destination

   to No.  Mailman has this test because a lot of spammers put the
   recipient list in the "Bcc:", and I would advise against changing
   this default setting.

I do not know which test comes first - require_explicit_destination or 
accept_these_nonmembers.  In any case, the explicit destination check
applies to all postings.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 222, Room D209              Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From msapiro at value.net  Mon Nov 19 21:55:01 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:55:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <4741BAB1.7010603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

hjalmar wrote:
>
>Mark Sapiro skrev:
>
>>> In postfix:
>>> mydomain = domain1.com
>>> myhost = mail.domain1.com
>>> mydestination = $myhost, localhost.$mydomain
>>> recipient_delimiter = +
>>> recive_override_options = no_address_mappings
>>>     
>>
>> I don't think you want the above line.
>>   
>
>why? the mailman doc. says to add this line to main.cf.


I'm saying I don't think you want "recive_override_options =
no_address_mappings".  (and it's spelled "receive_override_options",
but I don't think you want it at all.)

I could be wrong about this. I'm not a Postfix expert.


You do want "recipient_delimiter = +"

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Mon Nov 19 22:16:35 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:16:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A question about Non-member filters
In-Reply-To: <200711192010.lAJKAPtF008930@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>
Message-ID: 

Barry Finkel wrote:
>
>I do not know which test comes first - require_explicit_destination or 
>accept_these_nonmembers.  In any case, the explicit destination check
>applies to all postings.


Assuming you haven't changed the GLOBAL_PIPELINE order:

mm_cfg.KNOWN_SPAMMERS and header_filter_rules are done first
(SpamDetect)

Followed by the tests in Privacy options...->Sender filters in the
order they appear on the page (Moderate)

Followed by administrivia, max_num_recipients,
require_explicit_destination, bounce_matching_headers,
max_message_size, and news_moderation (Hold).

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From barry at list.org  Mon Nov 19 22:26:04 2007
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:26:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shameless plug
Message-ID: 

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Hi folks,

I apologize in advance for the shameless plug.  GNU Mailman is up for  
the 2007 Antonio Pizzigati Prize for software in the public  
interest.  I sure would appreciate it if you take the time to vote  
for GNU Mailman:

http://forums.pizzigatiprize.org/index.php

Vote in the 'Vote' forum.  Leave comments in the 'GNU Mailman' forum.

Yes, you need to register with the site in order to vote.

Thanks for your support!
- -Barry

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From msapiro at value.net  Tue Nov 20 00:18:06 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:18:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shared non-member filters
In-Reply-To: <47417157.9080102@Media-Brokers.com>
Message-ID: 

Charles Marcus wrote:
>
>> I think you mean
>> .
>> This patch allows specifying the name of a list (say list2) in list1's
>> accept_these_nonmembers so that members of list2 can post to list1
>> even if they aren't members of list1.
>
>Yep, thats it, thanks! According to the bug tracker, this patch will be 
>included in 2.1.10...


I have a question.

The implementation in Mailman 2.1.10 is documented only for
accept_these_nonmembers, but it actually works for all four of the
*_these_nonmembers lists.

It is clearly most useful for accept_these_nonmembers, but it could be
used say in hold_these_nonmembers to hold posts from members of some
other list that would otherwise be discarded or rejected.

It could also be used to make a 'bad list' to be referenced in reject
or discard _these_nonmembers to reject or discard posts from the
members of the 'bad list' that would otherwise be held or accepted.
The 'bad list' would not be used to send mail. It would just be a way
of maintaining a list of 'bad' addresses.

My question is do people think they might use this ability to reference
a list in the other *_these_nonmembers lists, and should it be
documented for them too.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From stephen at xemacs.org  Tue Nov 20 02:07:48 2007
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:07:48 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  A question about Non-member filters
In-Reply-To: <4741E86A.6080507@cs.cmu.edu>
References: <4741E86A.6080507@cs.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <87myt9g1wb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Jim Park writes:

 > My question is what does the Reason Message has implicit destination mean?

The list was BCC'd, and therefore doesn't appear in the message
headers.

There are various caveats and features that need to be accounted for,
but that's the basic idea.



From justbrits at comcast.net  Tue Nov 20 02:34:39 2007
From: justbrits at comcast.net (JB@comcast)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:34:39 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shameless plug
References: 
Message-ID: <03bf01c82b15$85600830$6601a8c0@actualshop>

<>

NOT needed, Barry (IMHO)!!

Registered and voted.    Will try to remember to do the latter DAILY!!

Ed

From spyropolymiadis at kromestudios.com  Tue Nov 20 04:14:49 2007
From: spyropolymiadis at kromestudios.com (Spyro Polymiadis)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:14:49 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing admin email addresses
Message-ID: <668C245C6BB6D84594549A1A418E598A07A122BA0A@ms-exch2.kromestudios.com>

Hi All,

Im using mailman 2.1.9, and ive got close to 100 mail lists on it.

We just have had one of our IT guys leave our company, and I was wondering if there was an easy (bulk, cli) way to remove/change the email address from the "List of Administrators" (2nd text box in General Options)

Otherwise, its very a very cumbersome job to log in to each list and remove the address manually.

Cheers
Spyro




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From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com  Tue Nov 20 05:45:30 2007
From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:45:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shameless plug
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On 11/19/07 3:26 PM, Barry Warsaw at barry at list.org wrote:

> Yes, you need to register with the site in order to vote.

Sorry Barry, but I tried to register three times but never could match their
"visual identification" part of the registration. It's harder to read than
Ticketmaster's which I actually didn't think was possible. :-(

In their attempt to make it unreadable by machines, they've succeeded in
making it unreadable by humans.
 
-- 
Larry Stone
lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
http://www.stonejongleux.com/



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Nov 20 05:59:15 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:59:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing admin email addresses
In-Reply-To: <668C245C6BB6D84594549A1A418E598A07A122BA0A@ms-exch2.kromestudios.com>
Message-ID: 

Spyro Polymiadis wrote:
>
>We just have had one of our IT guys leave our company, and I was wondering if there was an easy (bulk, cli) way to remove/change the email address from the "List of Administrators" (2nd text box in General Options)


There are a couple of ways to do this. If the owners of all lists are
the same, e.g. owner1 at example.com, owner2 at example.com and
owner3 at example.com, and you just want to remove owner2 from the list
leaving the other 2, you can prepare a file containing the lines

owner = ['owner1 at example.com',
         'owner3 at example.com'
        ]

and run

#!/bin/bash
cd /path/to/mailman
for list in `bin/list_lists --bare`
do bin/config_list -i path/to/file/above $list
done

If the owner lists are different and you just want to remove
ownerx at example.com from all lists in which it is an owner, you can put
the following script in Mailman's bin directory, naming it del_owner.py


def del_owner(mlist):
    if not mlist.Locked():
        mlist.Lock()
    try:
        mlist.owner.remove('ownerx at example.com')
        print 'ownerx at example.com removed from %s' % mlist.real_name
    except ValueError:
        print 'ownerx at example.com not owner of %s' % mlist.real_name
    if not mlist.owner:
        print 'list %s has no owners' % mlist.real_name
    mlist.Save()
    mlist.Unlock()

After saving the above as bin/del_owner.py, run

bin/withlist -a -r del_owner

Note that the file name is del_owner.py, but there is no .py in either
the withlist command or the function def.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mlmn at apcilog.org  Tue Nov 20 05:38:27 2007
From: mlmn at apcilog.org (AD-ML)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:38:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing admin email addresses
References: <668C245C6BB6D84594549A1A418E598A07A122BA0A@ms-exch2.kromestudios.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c82b2f$373de680$0201a8c0@perso>

If the optional pages are still the standard ones : 
As administrator, open for one list the personal option page, change the password, actualize using the new password and resign for all the lists

SN
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Spyro Polymiadis 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:14 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing admin email addresses


  Hi All,

  Im using mailman 2.1.9, and ive got close to 100 mail lists on it.

  We just have had one of our IT guys leave our company, and I was wondering if there was an easy (bulk, cli) way to remove/change the email address from the "List of Administrators" (2nd text box in General Options)

  Otherwise, its very a very cumbersome job to log in to each list and remove the address manually.

  Cheers
  Spyro




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From spyropolymiadis at kromestudios.com  Tue Nov 20 06:02:38 2007
From: spyropolymiadis at kromestudios.com (Spyro Polymiadis)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:02:38 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing admin email addresses
In-Reply-To: 
References: <668C245C6BB6D84594549A1A418E598A07A122BA0A@ms-exch2.kromestudios.com>
	
Message-ID: <668C245C6BB6D84594549A1A418E598A07A122BA17@ms-exch2.kromestudios.com>

Thanks Mark,

There are 2 admins on there.. 1 person is on All of them, and the person who left is on about half of them.

Which method would be best suited for that scenario?
Also, is any of the script destructive to the lists themselves? Ie, if it didn't run right or something it wouldn't affect the list accepting emails to it, or blowing away the rest of the list config?

Cheers

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 3:29 PM
> To: Spyro Polymiadis; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing admin email addresses
>
> Spyro Polymiadis wrote:
> >
> >We just have had one of our IT guys leave our company, and I was
> wondering if there was an easy (bulk, cli) way to remove/change the
> email address from the "List of Administrators" (2nd text box in
> General Options)
>
>
> There are a couple of ways to do this. If the owners of all lists are
> the same, e.g. owner1 at example.com, owner2 at example.com and
> owner3 at example.com, and you just want to remove owner2 from the list
> leaving the other 2, you can prepare a file containing the lines
>
> owner = ['owner1 at example.com',
>          'owner3 at example.com'
>         ]
>
> and run
>
> #!/bin/bash
> cd /path/to/mailman
> for list in `bin/list_lists --bare`
> do bin/config_list -i path/to/file/above $list
> done
>
> If the owner lists are different and you just want to remove
> ownerx at example.com from all lists in which it is an owner, you can put
> the following script in Mailman's bin directory, naming it del_owner.py
>
>
> def del_owner(mlist):
>     if not mlist.Locked():
>         mlist.Lock()
>     try:
>         mlist.owner.remove('ownerx at example.com')
>         print 'ownerx at example.com removed from %s' % mlist.real_name
>     except ValueError:
>         print 'ownerx at example.com not owner of %s' % mlist.real_name
>     if not mlist.owner:
>         print 'list %s has no owners' % mlist.real_name
>     mlist.Save()
>     mlist.Unlock()
>
> After saving the above as bin/del_owner.py, run
>
> bin/withlist -a -r del_owner
>
> Note that the file name is del_owner.py, but there is no .py in either
> the withlist command or the function def.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan




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From jonathan at nerds.net  Tue Nov 20 06:11:55 2007
From: jonathan at nerds.net (Jonathan Dill)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:11:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing admin email addresses
In-Reply-To: <668C245C6BB6D84594549A1A418E598A07A122BA17@ms-exch2.kromestudios.com>
References: <668C245C6BB6D84594549A1A418E598A07A122BA0A@ms-exch2.kromestudios.com>	
	<668C245C6BB6D84594549A1A418E598A07A122BA17@ms-exch2.kromestudios.com>
Message-ID: <47426C9B.20003@nerds.net>

Spyro Polymiadis wrote:
> Which method would be best suited for that scenario?
> Also, is any of the script destructive to the lists themselves? Ie, if it didn't run right or something it wouldn't affect the list accepting emails to it, or blowing away the rest of the list config?
>   
That's why I would first do a "config_list -o" to "benchmark" the 
configs for ALL of the lists before you make any changes, "just in 
case".  Use a for / do loop in shell, dump the list config to 
listname.cfg for e.g. for each list.  Looks like you shouldn't need to 
load the entire config but just the changes, not sure if that was the 
case or not 5+ yrs ago when I was doing it or if what I did was overkill.

Jonathan

From msapiro at value.net  Tue Nov 20 06:30:32 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:30:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing admin email addresses
In-Reply-To: <668C245C6BB6D84594549A1A418E598A07A122BA17@ms-exch2.kromestudios.com>
Message-ID: 

Spyro Polymiadis wrote:
>
>There are 2 admins on there.. 1 person is on All of them, and the person who left is on about half of them.
>
>Which method would be best suited for that scenario?


If I understand correctly, The end result you want is for the one
remaining owner to be the single owner of all the lists. In this case,
by far the simplest and safest is to run config_list on all lists with
an input containing only the line

owner = ['remaining_owner at example.com']


>Also, is any of the script destructive to the lists themselves? Ie, if it didn't run right or something it wouldn't affect the list accepting emails to it, or blowing away the rest of the list config?


The config_list with the above input is safe. It won't change anything
but owner and it won't allow anything you couldn't enter via the web
interface.

If you screw up withlist, you can destroy a list or lists, but the
script below should be safe. Also, you can do a dry run by leaving out
the

    mlist.Save()

line. Then it won't actually change the list, so you could run withlist
with the script without the mlist.Save(), and if you're happy with the
output from the prints, replace the mlist.Save() and run it again.


>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 3:29 PM
>> To: Spyro Polymiadis; mailman-users at python.org
>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing admin email addresses



>> If the owner lists are different and you just want to remove
>> ownerx at example.com from all lists in which it is an owner, you can put
>> the following script in Mailman's bin directory, naming it del_owner.py
>>
>>
>> def del_owner(mlist):
>>     if not mlist.Locked():
>>         mlist.Lock()
>>     try:
>>         mlist.owner.remove('ownerx at example.com')
>>         print 'ownerx at example.com removed from %s' % mlist.real_name
>>     except ValueError:
>>         print 'ownerx at example.com not owner of %s' % mlist.real_name
>>     if not mlist.owner:
>>         print 'list %s has no owners' % mlist.real_name
>>     mlist.Save()
>>     mlist.Unlock()
>>
>> After saving the above as bin/del_owner.py, run
>>
>> bin/withlist -a -r del_owner
>>
>> Note that the file name is del_owner.py, but there is no .py in either
>> the withlist command or the function def.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jonathan at nerds.net  Tue Nov 20 06:06:31 2007
From: jonathan at nerds.net (Jonathan Dill)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:06:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing admin email addresses
In-Reply-To: <668C245C6BB6D84594549A1A418E598A07A122BA0A@ms-exch2.kromestudios.com>
References: <668C245C6BB6D84594549A1A418E598A07A122BA0A@ms-exch2.kromestudios.com>
Message-ID: <47426B57.3090804@nerds.net>

Spyro Polymiadis wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Im using mailman 2.1.9, and ive got close to 100 mail lists on it.
>
> We just have had one of our IT guys leave our company, and I was wondering if there was an easy (bulk, cli) way to remove/change the email address from the "List of Administrators" (2nd text box in General Options)
>
> Otherwise, its very a very cumbersome job to log in to each list and remove the address manually.
>   
When I did something similar, I wrote some ad hoc scripts using 
"config_list -o" to dump the configs for all of the lists to text 
files--saving the "pristine" version in case I needed to undo all the 
changes--then use regex replacement to make the changes I wanted and 
dump to a "new" config file, then "config_list -i" to load the modified 
configurations.  I guess it was about 5 yrs ago, probably with shell 
commands and awk, I'm sure it wasn't pretty but it got the job done, 
doubt that I have any of the scripts that I used since that was a 
previous job.  See "config_list --help" for the options and command 
syntax, you might have to login as the mailman user depending how you 
have things configured.

Naturally, make sure you have a good backup in case something goes 
awry.  Depending on your bravery level, it might be a good idea to do it 
when the lists are less active, and possibly shut down the MTA 
temporarily or block access to it when you make the changes so you don't 
have "bits in flight" when the changes occur and have something untoward 
happen with the queue.

Jonathan

From hjalmar.janos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 08:52:48 2007
From: hjalmar.janos at gmail.com (hjalmar)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:52:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <47429250.8040901@gmail.com>

Mark Sapiro skrev:
> hjalmar wrote:
>   
>> Mark Sapiro skrev:
>>
>>     
>>>> In postfix:
>>>> mydomain = domain1.com
>>>> myhost = mail.domain1.com
>>>> mydestination = $myhost, localhost.$mydomain
>>>> recipient_delimiter = +
>>>> recive_override_options = no_address_mappings
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> I don't think you want the above line.
>>>   
>>>       
>> why? the mailman doc. says to add this line to main.cf.
>>     
>
>
> I'm saying I don't think you want "recive_override_options =
> no_address_mappings".  (and it's spelled "receive_override_options",
> but I don't think you want it at all.)
>
> I could be wrong about this. I'm not a Postfix expert.
>
>
> You do want "recipient_delimiter = +"
>   
Ok, thanks.


/hj



From manlio_perillo at libero.it  Tue Nov 20 12:23:18 2007
From: manlio_perillo at libero.it (Manlio Perillo)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:23:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] move a mailman instance to a new server (and new
	version)
Message-ID: <4742C3A6.9030209@libero.it>

Hi.

I need to move a Mailman instance to a new server, and from a 2.1.5-8 
(Debian Sarge) to 2.1.9-8 (Ubuntu Gutsy).

In /var/lib there are a lot of pickle serialized data.

What can be moved and how?
I would like to copy the configuration for each list and the mailman 
state (to make sure not to lost some messages).


Thanks  Manlio Perillo

From eric.beda at udsm.ac.tz  Tue Nov 20 15:20:24 2007
From: eric.beda at udsm.ac.tz (Eric Beda)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:20:24 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fatal: execvp /var/mailman/mail/mailman
Message-ID: <42879.196.44.161.242.1195568424.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>

Hi,

i'm new to mailman, and i was given a mailserver to reinstall, which i
did, and through previous backup tried to restore the mailserver,....

the server sends and receives mail just fine, i succesfully (i think)
installed mailman, i tried restoring the backed up mailling list going
through some online tutorial, and i think everything went fine except for
this error that i see now (it wasn't there)


fatal: execvp /var/mailman/mail/mailman

can anyone shed some light ??



From hughr at ofcu.org  Tue Nov 20 14:51:32 2007
From: hughr at ofcu.org (Hugh Rowley)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:51:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: 

Hello All,
Quick question from a Newbie Mailman Admin:

Can Mailman send complex messages with embedded graphics (JPEG images, etc.), or is everything still basically plain-text with image attachments?

I've just set up Mailman (and a Linux server) for the first time and am testing, so I'm still quite ignorant about Mailman's capabilities at this point.

If Mailman can send anything more sophisticated than plain text, maybe you could post an example, and hints about how you did it? 

Thanks for any info. you can provide!

Hugh R.


From hughr at ofcu.org  Tue Nov 20 15:18:20 2007
From: hughr at ofcu.org (Hugh Rowley)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:18:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complex Messages in Mailman?
Message-ID: 

Hello All,
I apologize for sending this without a subject (and then re-sending with one).  Will try not to be so annoying in the future!

Quick question from a Newbie Mailman Admin:

Can Mailman send complex messages with embedded graphics (JPEG images, etc.), or is everything still basically plain-text with image attachments?

I've just set up Mailman (and a Linux server) for the first time and am testing, so I'm still quite ignorant about Mailman's capabilities at this point.

If Mailman can send anything more sophisticated than plain text, maybe you could post an example, and hints about how you did it? 

Thanks for any info. you can provide!

Hugh R.


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Nov 20 17:07:04 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:07:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] move a mailman instance to a new server (and
	newversion)
In-Reply-To: <4742C3A6.9030209@libero.it>
Message-ID: 

Manlio Perillo wrote:
>
>I need to move a Mailman instance to a new server, and from a 2.1.5-8 
>(Debian Sarge) to 2.1.9-8 (Ubuntu Gutsy).


See
.


>In /var/lib there are a lot of pickle serialized data.


Directly in /var/lib/ as in /var/lib/*.pck or in some subdirectories?

Are they current? Are they group owned by 'mailman'?

Without more information such as directory, filename and/or results of
bin/dumpdb, I don't have any idea what these might be.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Nov 20 17:17:23 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:17:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fatal: execvp /var/mailman/mail/mailman
In-Reply-To: <42879.196.44.161.242.1195568424.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>
Message-ID: 

Eric Beda wrote:
>
>the server sends and receives mail just fine, i succesfully (i think)
>installed mailman, i tried restoring the backed up mailling list going
>through some online tutorial, and i think everything went fine except for
>this error that i see now (it wasn't there)
>
>
>fatal: execvp /var/mailman/mail/mailman
>
>can anyone shed some light ??


/var/mailman/mail/mailman is the wrapper that is invoked by the MTA
(mail server) to pipe incoming mail to Mailman. The above message
(where do you see it?) probably occurs when the MTA tries to execute
the pipe.

What is in the MTA log?

See
.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Nov 20 17:26:16 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:26:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Hugh Rowley wrote:
>
>Can Mailman send complex messages with embedded graphics (JPEG images, etc.), or is everything still basically plain-text with image attachments?


It's all in how you set up content filtering.


>If Mailman can send anything more sophisticated than plain text, maybe you could post an example, and hints about how you did it? 


Set filter_content to No and Mailman will pass the message essentially
as received except for the addition of msg_header and msg_footer if
any. If these cause problems, set them empty. (See
.)

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From manlio_perillo at libero.it  Tue Nov 20 17:24:02 2007
From: manlio_perillo at libero.it (Manlio Perillo)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:24:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] move a mailman instance to a new server (and
 newversion)
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <47430A22.9030302@libero.it>

Mark Sapiro ha scritto:
> Manlio Perillo wrote:
>> I need to move a Mailman instance to a new server, and from a 2.1.5-8 
>> (Debian Sarge) to 2.1.9-8 (Ubuntu Gutsy).
> 
> 
> See
> .
> 

Done.

> 
>> In /var/lib there are a lot of pickle serialized data.
> 
> 
> Directly in /var/lib/ as in /var/lib/*.pck or in some subdirectories?
> 

/var/lib/mailman/lists//*.pck


> Are they current? Are they group owned by 'mailman'?
> 

What do you mean by 'current'? Yes they are owned by list.

> Without more information such as directory, filename and/or results of
> bin/dumpdb, I don't have any idea what these might be.
> 

They are pickle dumps.
What I would like to know if it is safe to load these files with a 
different mailman version (ad a different version of Python).

It seems that it is only a dictionary, so it should be safe.


Thanks  Manlio Perillo


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Nov 20 18:17:37 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:17:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] move a mailman instance to a new server
	(andnewversion)
In-Reply-To: <47430A22.9030302@libero.it>
Message-ID: 

Manlio Perillo wrote:

>Mark Sapiro ha scritto:
>> Manlio Perillo wrote:
>> 
>>> In /var/lib there are a lot of pickle serialized data.
>> 
>> 
>> Directly in /var/lib/ as in /var/lib/*.pck or in some subdirectories?
>> 
>
>/var/lib/mailman/lists//*.pck


They are the list configuration and membership (config.pck)
the 'backup' list configuration and membership (config.pck.last)
The list's pending confirmations (pending.pck)
The lists moderator requests (request.pck)

The var/lib/mailman/lists/* tree is what needs to be moved in order to
move lists from one server to another.

Also you need to move the heldmsg*.pck (or heldmsg*.txt if you set
HOLD_MESSAGES_AS_PICKLES = No) that are in mailman's data/ directory
(/var/lib/mailman/data/ ?) and the archives in
/var/lib/mailman/archives/*

These steps or variants thereof are outlined in the list posts
referenced by the FAQ
.



>> Are they current? Are they group owned by 'mailman'?
>> 
>
>What do you mean by 'current'? Yes they are owned by list.


I meant were their timestamps recent or old, but now that we know what
files you're talking about, that question isn't relevant.


>What I would like to know if it is safe to load these files with a 
>different mailman version (ad a different version of Python).


It is safe to move them to a more recent Mailman version and mailman
will update them as needed for the new version as they are accessed.
It may be a problem to move them to an older Mailman version, but that
is not the case here.

A different Python version should not be a problem as long as Mailman
runs on the new installation.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From eric.beda at udsm.ac.tz  Tue Nov 20 19:12:03 2007
From: eric.beda at udsm.ac.tz (Eric Beda)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:12:03 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fatal: execvp /var/mailman/mail/mailman
In-Reply-To: 
References: <42879.196.44.161.242.1195568424.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>
	
Message-ID: <50060.196.44.161.242.1195582323.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>

Hi,

my maillog is as follows

Nov 20 20:53:08 pmoralg local[7478]: fatal: execvp
/var/mailman/mail/mailman: No such file or directory
Nov 20 20:53:08 pmoralg postfix/local[7477]: 54E5AE08199:
to=, relay=local, delay=0.12,
delays=0.08/0.01/0/0.04, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (temporary failure.
Command output: local: fatal: execvp /var/mailman/mail/mailman: No such
file or directory )

i am running postfix...


> Eric Beda wrote:
>>
>>the server sends and receives mail just fine, i succesfully (i think)
>>installed mailman, i tried restoring the backed up mailling list going
>>through some online tutorial, and i think everything went fine except for
>>this error that i see now (it wasn't there)
>>
>>
>>fatal: execvp /var/mailman/mail/mailman
>>
>>can anyone shed some light ??
>
>
> /var/mailman/mail/mailman is the wrapper that is invoked by the MTA
> (mail server) to pipe incoming mail to Mailman. The above message
> (where do you see it?) probably occurs when the MTA tries to execute
> the pipe.
>
> What is in the MTA log?
>
> See
> .
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ebeda%40udsm.ac.tz
>
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>
>


From eric.beda at udsm.ac.tz  Tue Nov 20 20:06:46 2007
From: eric.beda at udsm.ac.tz (Eric Beda)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:06:46 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fatal: execvp /var/mailman/mail/mailman
In-Reply-To: 
References: <42879.196.44.161.242.1195568424.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>
	
Message-ID: <56529.196.44.161.242.1195585606.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>

Hi,

I've realised my mistake, apparently mailman was installed in
/usr/lib/mailman instead of /var/mailman, since i had just copied and
pasted the /etc/aliases file it saw some conflict there, i didn't know
what version was installed prior to my install

Thanks for the help guyz...




> Eric Beda wrote:
>>
>>the server sends and receives mail just fine, i succesfully (i think)
>>installed mailman, i tried restoring the backed up mailling list going
>>through some online tutorial, and i think everything went fine except for
>>this error that i see now (it wasn't there)
>>
>>
>>fatal: execvp /var/mailman/mail/mailman
>>
>>can anyone shed some light ??
>
>
> /var/mailman/mail/mailman is the wrapper that is invoked by the MTA
> (mail server) to pipe incoming mail to Mailman. The above message
> (where do you see it?) probably occurs when the MTA tries to execute
> the pipe.
>
> What is in the MTA log?
>
> See
> .
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>


From eric.beda at udsm.ac.tz  Tue Nov 20 20:42:12 2007
From: eric.beda at udsm.ac.tz (Eric Beda)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:42:12 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not delivering mail
Message-ID: <53498.196.44.161.242.1195587732.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>

Mailman doesn't send email, i get this in my maillog

to=, relay=local, delay=60,
delays=60/0.01/0/0.18, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post dmis-staff)

but the mails are never delivered to the users mailboxes, and are not even
archived ( i set it to archive daily)

i've checked that mailman is running

./mailmanctl  status
mailman (pid 6729) is running...

don't know what else could be the problem,,

please shed some light

From msapiro at value.net  Tue Nov 20 20:56:11 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:56:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not delivering mail
In-Reply-To: <53498.196.44.161.242.1195587732.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>
Message-ID: 

Eric Beda wrote:

>Mailman doesn't send email, i get this in my maillog
>
>to=, relay=local, delay=60,
>delays=60/0.01/0/0.18, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
>/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post dmis-staff)
>
>but the mails are never delivered to the users mailboxes, and are not even
>archived ( i set it to archive daily)


You probably don't want daily archive volumes. This has nothing to do
with when messages are archived. It only controls how frequently a new
archive volume is created. The 'monthly' default is probably OK. Look
at . With
archive_volume_frequency = daily, there would be one entry on this
page for each day instead of one per month.

However, this has nothing to do with "mailman not delivering mail". For
that, see
.
	

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brad at shub-internet.org  Tue Nov 20 22:40:58 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:40:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complex Messages in Mailman?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

On 11/20/07, Hugh Rowley wrote:

>  Can Mailman send complex messages with embedded graphics (JPEG images, etc.),
>  or is everything still basically plain-text with image attachments?

Mailman doesn't really "send" messages.  In that, other than certain 
list administration messages (including password reminders, etc...), 
it does not originate any messages.

More correctly, Mailman filters the messages it gets.

If you send plain text messages to a Mailman mailing list, then it 
will send plain text messages to the recipients.  If you send it 
MIME/HTML-formatted messages, then depending on how it is configured 
to filter the messages, it could re-send the message pretty much 
exactly as it got it.

So, everything is in how you set up the content filtering.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From iaindb at netspace.net.au  Wed Nov 21 05:25:22 2007
From: iaindb at netspace.net.au (Iain Buchanan)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:55:22 +0930
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-moderating administrator?
Message-ID: <1195619122.5060.56.camel@orpheus>

Hi all,

Firstly, I've searched the archives, and Google, and found nothing
similar to this question (unfortunately, which means it probably isn't
possible).

Essentially I am the administrator for various local community mailing
lists that I've set up.  Each list has their own moderator(s) in the
relevant area.

I would like not to receive any "New subscription request" and similar
emails, but rather have them go solely to the moderator (currently they
go to both admin and mod).  The number of lists and members is growing,
such that there will soon be lots of clutter in my mailbox every day.

Is this possible?  I can't find an appropriate option, even though I've
looked through them all.

Many thanks!
-- 
Iain Buchanan 

Truth is a chameleon.

  -- Zensunni Aphorism


From msapiro at value.net  Wed Nov 21 06:29:44 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:29:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-moderating administrator?
In-Reply-To: <1195619122.5060.56.camel@orpheus>
Message-ID: 

Iain Buchanan wrote:
>
>Firstly, I've searched the archives, and Google, and found nothing
>similar to this question (unfortunately, which means it probably isn't
>possible).


Right.


>Essentially I am the administrator for various local community mailing
>lists that I've set up.  Each list has their own moderator(s) in the
>relevant area.
>
>I would like not to receive any "New subscription request" and similar
>emails, but rather have them go solely to the moderator (currently they
>go to both admin and mod).  The number of lists and members is growing,
>such that there will soon be lots of clutter in my mailbox every day.
>
>Is this possible?  I can't find an appropriate option, even though I've
>looked through them all.


There's no option or setting to make any messages go to the moderators
and not the owners.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From eric.beda at udsm.ac.tz  Wed Nov 21 07:17:13 2007
From: eric.beda at udsm.ac.tz (Eric Beda)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:17:13 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not delivering mail
In-Reply-To: 
References: <53498.196.44.161.242.1195587732.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>
	
Message-ID: <48399.196.44.161.242.1195625833.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>

Ok,

Ive switched to archiving messages monthly, but messages are still not
delivered into list members mailboxes... is there a way i can confirm that
mailman is not the problem ???... is there other configurations in postfix
main.cf or master.cf (i have none now) that i need to include ???




> Eric Beda wrote:
>
>>Mailman doesn't send email, i get this in my maillog
>>
>>to=, relay=local, delay=60,
>>delays=60/0.01/0/0.18, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
>>/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post dmis-staff)
>>
>>but the mails are never delivered to the users mailboxes, and are not
>> even
>>archived ( i set it to archive daily)
>
>
> You probably don't want daily archive volumes. This has nothing to do
> with when messages are archived. It only controls how frequently a new
> archive volume is created. The 'monthly' default is probably OK. Look
> at . With
> archive_volume_frequency = daily, there would be one entry on this
> page for each day instead of one per month.
>
> However, this has nothing to do with "mailman not delivering mail". For
> that, see
> .
>
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ebeda%40udsm.ac.tz
>
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>
>


From cheryltrooskinzoller at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 07:19:40 2007
From: cheryltrooskinzoller at gmail.com (Cheryl Trooskin-Zoller)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:19:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] extracting addresses without a mailman installation?
Message-ID: 

The server that hosts my mailman installation is down with hardware
problems, and I'm trying to set up a stop-gap to fill in for a week
until people get back in town & can start fixing things for real.
I've got tape backups; how do I extract email addresses from the
config.db files without a mailman installation?  The answer  I found
in the list archives -- to run "strings" on config.pck -- seems to get
me a jumbled list of subscriber addresses, also-accept-posts-from
addresses, and banned addresses, with no obvious way of telling them
apart.

thx-
cheryl

From iaindb at netspace.net.au  Wed Nov 21 07:34:55 2007
From: iaindb at netspace.net.au (Iain Buchanan)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:04:55 +0930
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-moderating administrator?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1195626895.5060.64.camel@orpheus>

Hi & Thanks,

On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 21:29 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> >I would like not to receive any "New subscription request" and similar
> >emails, but rather have them go solely to the moderator (currently they
> >go to both admin and mod).
> 
> There's no option or setting to make any messages go to the moderators
> and not the owners.

hmm.  owner == administrator?  I assumed owner was -owner at ...
or is this just a redirect to, eg. me?

Any suggestions?  Should I make the owner bitbucket at mydomain.com or
similar?

Can any other "admins" comment on what they do?  Surely someone else
admins a whole heap of lists too?  I can also set up mail filters, but
ultimately I would like to stop it at the source.

TIA.
-- 
Iain Buchanan 

Executive ability is deciding quickly and getting somebody else to do
the work.
		-- John G. Pollard


From eric.beda at udsm.ac.tz  Wed Nov 21 08:19:14 2007
From: eric.beda at udsm.ac.tz (Eric Beda)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:19:14 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not delivering mail
In-Reply-To: 
References: <53498.196.44.161.242.1195587732.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>
	
Message-ID: <46643.196.44.161.242.1195629554.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>

Hi,

Through a bit more troubleshoting i realised that mailman failed to post
the messages post log for mailman shows

Nov 21 09:49:06 2007 (6735) post to dmis-staff from xxxxx at xxxxx,
size=2457, message-id=<37309.196.44.161.242.1195587273.squirrel at xxxxxxx>,
10 failures

what could be the problem


> Eric Beda wrote:
>
>>Mailman doesn't send email, i get this in my maillog
>>
>>to=, relay=local, delay=60,
>>delays=60/0.01/0/0.18, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
>>/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post dmis-staff)
>>
>>but the mails are never delivered to the users mailboxes, and are not
>> even
>>archived ( i set it to archive daily)
>
>
> You probably don't want daily archive volumes. This has nothing to do
> with when messages are archived. It only controls how frequently a new
> archive volume is created. The 'monthly' default is probably OK. Look
> at . With
> archive_volume_frequency = daily, there would be one entry on this
> page for each day instead of one per month.
>
> However, this has nothing to do with "mailman not delivering mail". For
> that, see
> .
>
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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>
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From kapil.karekar at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 08:24:36 2007
From: kapil.karekar at gmail.com (Kapil Karekar)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:54:36 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to post to list (Mailman+Exim)
Message-ID: <1195629876.31488.34.camel@gubbi.bigadda.net>

Hi,

When I post to a newly created list I get the following error:

--------------------------------------------------------------

: host lists.domain.tld[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] said: 550
    Unrouteable address (in reply to RCPT TO command)

--------------------------------------------------------------

How can I avoid this issue without having to add new aliases for each
list in /etc/aliases?

I am using Exim as the MTA.

Thanks in advance :-)

- Kapil

p.s. I am a newbie to both exim and mailman.


From eric.beda at udsm.ac.tz  Wed Nov 21 09:26:27 2007
From: eric.beda at udsm.ac.tz (Eric Beda)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:26:27 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not delivering mail
In-Reply-To: <46643.196.44.161.242.1195629554.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>
References: <53498.196.44.161.242.1195587732.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>
	
	<46643.196.44.161.242.1195629554.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>
Message-ID: <33481.196.44.161.242.1195633587.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>

Well i finnaly found out my problem,,, looks like i i couldn't telnet
localhost on port 25 which caused mailman to issue connection refused in
smtp-failure log, what i did was edited my /etc/hosts file to include
127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain for some reason it only had ::1
localhost.localdomain localhost

i'm still testing my configuration but everything seems fine up to now

> Hi,
>
> Through a bit more troubleshoting i realised that mailman failed to post
> the messages post log for mailman shows
>
> Nov 21 09:49:06 2007 (6735) post to dmis-staff from xxxxx at xxxxx,
> size=2457, message-id=<37309.196.44.161.242.1195587273.squirrel at xxxxxxx>,
> 10 failures
>
> what could be the problem
>
>
>> Eric Beda wrote:
>>
>>>Mailman doesn't send email, i get this in my maillog
>>>
>>>to=, relay=local, delay=60,
>>>delays=60/0.01/0/0.18, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
>>>/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post dmis-staff)
>>>
>>>but the mails are never delivered to the users mailboxes, and are not
>>> even
>>>archived ( i set it to archive daily)
>>
>>
>> You probably don't want daily archive volumes. This has nothing to do
>> with when messages are archived. It only controls how frequently a new
>> archive volume is created. The 'monthly' default is probably OK. Look
>> at . With
>> archive_volume_frequency = daily, there would be one entry on this
>> page for each day instead of one per month.
>>
>> However, this has nothing to do with "mailman not delivering mail". For
>> that, see
>> .
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
>> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>>
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From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Nov 21 09:44:17 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:44:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] extracting addresses without a mailman
 installation?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

On 11/21/07, Cheryl Trooskin-Zoller wrote:

>                                                   The answer  I found
>  in the list archives -- to run "strings" on config.pck -- seems to get
>  me a jumbled list of subscriber addresses, also-accept-posts-from
>  addresses, and banned addresses, with no obvious way of telling them
>  apart.

The thing is, you need to know something about the structure of the 
pickle file format, before you can tell what means what.  I don't see 
how you can get that without having another Mailman installation 
where you can use the standard command-line tools to extract the 
information you need.

So, why not install Mailman on another machine, restore the 
appropriate bits of the /usr/local/mailman directory, and then run 
the appropriate command-line tools?  Or, for that matter, why not 
just restore the entire /usr/local/mailman directory structure, then 
re-install a new copy of Mailman on top of that (in case there are 
architectural differences, etc... between the two machines), and then 
get back into operation pretty much immediately?

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Nov 21 09:51:59 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:51:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-moderating administrator?
In-Reply-To: <1195626895.5060.64.camel@orpheus>
References: 
	<1195626895.5060.64.camel@orpheus>
Message-ID: 

On 11/21/07, Iain Buchanan wrote:

>  hmm.  owner == administrator?  I assumed owner was -owner at ...
>  or is this just a redirect to, eg. me?

The owner is/are the registered owner(s) of the list, per the Mailman 
configuration.  The term is synonymous with administrator, yes.

>  Any suggestions?  Should I make the owner bitbucket at mydomain.com or
>  similar?

So, you want all the moderators to get the moderator mail, but you 
don't want to get any of the moderator mail as default owner of all 
the lists?

Problem is, I think there may be other stuff that is also sent to the 
list-owner that you would need to see, and which the moderators would 
not be able to do anything about even if they did see it.  So, I 
don't think you can just toss all this stuff in the bitbucket.

I imagine you might be able to make a source-level change to the 
moderator process, so that all mail that would normally go to both 
the moderator(s) and the list owner(s) would instead go to just the 
moderator(s), but I do wonder how much of a risk that would be.

>  Can any other "admins" comment on what they do?  Surely someone else
>  admins a whole heap of lists too?  I can also set up mail filters, but
>  ultimately I would like to stop it at the source.

For the python.org lists, we don't really tend to have separate list 
owners versus list moderators.  The same people do both jobs, and for 
most lists I don't think there are any specified moderators (as 
separate from the list owners, I mean).

This includes all the mailman-* mailing lists that are hosted on 
python.org, although I will soon be setting up a separate group for 
handling these things and we'll actually have real, live separate 
moderators for all these lists, in addition to the list owners.

Yes, I'm the primary active postmaster and mailing list administrator 
for python.org, but we're trying to bring some more people online to 
help address that single-point-of-failure issue.


For the lists we run for the NTP Public Services Project over on 
ntp.org, I have a central listmaster@ alias that is the registered 
owner of pretty much all lists, and certain designated people get 
those messages.  I don't know what anyone else does with them, but I 
try to deal with all the moderator stuff as soon as I can, although I 
do make sure to turn off immediate notices so that I usually only 
have to check once a day.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Nov 21 09:52:29 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:52:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not delivering mail
In-Reply-To: <46643.196.44.161.242.1195629554.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>
References: <53498.196.44.161.242.1195587732.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>
	
	<46643.196.44.161.242.1195629554.squirrel@mail.udsm.ac.tz>
Message-ID: 

On 11/21/07, Eric Beda wrote:

>  Through a bit more troubleshoting i realised that mailman failed to post
>  the messages post log for mailman shows
>
>  Nov 21 09:49:06 2007 (6735) post to dmis-staff from xxxxx at xxxxx,
>  size=2457, message-id=<37309.196.44.161.242.1195587273.squirrel at xxxxxxx>,
>  10 failures

Sounds like an MTA problem.  What's in your MTA logs about these messages?

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Nov 21 09:53:11 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:53:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to post to list (Mailman+Exim)
In-Reply-To: <1195629876.31488.34.camel@gubbi.bigadda.net>
References: <1195629876.31488.34.camel@gubbi.bigadda.net>
Message-ID: 

On 11/21/07, Kapil Karekar wrote:

>  How can I avoid this issue without having to add new aliases for each
>  list in /etc/aliases?

Sounds like you haven't completed the task of setting up Exim to have 
a router instance to handle all the Mailman mailing lists.  You'd 
need to go back to the documentation for that.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From kapil.karekar at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 10:49:54 2007
From: kapil.karekar at gmail.com (Kapil Karekar)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:19:54 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to post to list (Mailman+Exim)
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1195629876.31488.34.camel@gubbi.bigadda.net>
	
Message-ID: <1195638594.31488.42.camel@gubbi.bigadda.net>

On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 02:53 -0600, Brad Knowles wrote:
> On 11/21/07, Kapil Karekar wrote:
> 
> >  How can I avoid this issue without having to add new aliases for each
> >  list in /etc/aliases?
> 
> Sounds like you haven't completed the task of setting up Exim to have 
> a router instance to handle all the Mailman mailing lists.  You'd 
> need to go back to the documentation for that.

I have done the Exim router setup as per the documentation at:

http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#roconf

My router config viz. 101_exim4-config_mailman is as given below:

mailman_router:
   driver = accept
   domains = +mm_domains
   require_files = MM_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck
   local_part_suffix_optional
   local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \
                       -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \
                       -owner : -request : -admin
   transport = mailman_transport

Still it does not work.

I get the following message in the Exim rejectlog:

2007-11-21 15:15:41 H=(mail.domain.tld) [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] F= rejected RCPT : Unrouteable address

Thanks for the help :-)

- Kapil



From manlio_perillo at libero.it  Wed Nov 21 12:46:09 2007
From: manlio_perillo at libero.it (Manlio Perillo)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:46:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nginx + thttpd configuration for mailman
Message-ID: <47441A81.8080908@libero.it>

Hi.

I have successfully configured nginx to handle the mailman web interface.

CGI executions is delegated to thttpd.

If someone is interested I can post the configuration.



Manlio Perillo

From kapil.karekar at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 13:05:03 2007
From: kapil.karekar at gmail.com (Kapil Karekar)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:35:03 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to post to list (Mailman+Exim)
In-Reply-To: <1195638594.31488.42.camel@gubbi.bigadda.net>
References: <1195629876.31488.34.camel@gubbi.bigadda.net>
	
	<1195638594.31488.42.camel@gubbi.bigadda.net>
Message-ID: <1195646703.31488.67.camel@gubbi.bigadda.net>

Is there any way I can get this working?

Please help :-(

Kapil

On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 15:20 +0530, Kapil Karekar wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 02:53 -0600, Brad Knowles wrote:
> > On 11/21/07, Kapil Karekar wrote:
> > 
> > >  How can I avoid this issue without having to add new aliases for each
> > >  list in /etc/aliases?
> > 
> > Sounds like you haven't completed the task of setting up Exim to have 
> > a router instance to handle all the Mailman mailing lists.  You'd 
> > need to go back to the documentation for that.
> 
> I have done the Exim router setup as per the documentation at:
> 
> http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#roconf
> 
> My router config viz. 101_exim4-config_mailman is as given below:
> 
> mailman_router:
>    driver = accept
>    domains = +mm_domains
>    require_files = MM_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck
>    local_part_suffix_optional
>    local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \
>                        -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \
>                        -owner : -request : -admin
>    transport = mailman_transport
> 
> Still it does not work.
> 
> I get the following message in the Exim rejectlog:
> 
> 2007-11-21 15:15:41 H=(mail.domain.tld) [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] F= rejected RCPT : Unrouteable address
> 
> Thanks for the help :-)
> 
> - Kapil
> 


From msapiro at value.net  Wed Nov 21 16:21:17 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:21:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-moderating administrator?
In-Reply-To: <1195626895.5060.64.camel@orpheus>
Message-ID: 

Iain Buchanan wrote:
>
>hmm.  owner == administrator?  I assumed owner was -owner at ...
>or is this just a redirect to, eg. me?


Mail to listname-owner is resent to the list's owner and moderator
addresses. 'Administrator' is anyone who knows the list's admin
password or the site admin password, regardless of what addresses
appear in the owner or moderator attributes.


>Any suggestions?  Should I make the owner bitbucket at mydomain.com or
>similar?


I think you may misunderstand what the owner and moderator addresses
mean. See the first 4 paragraphs of

including the linked article.


>Can any other "admins" comment on what they do?  Surely someone else
>admins a whole heap of lists too?  I can also set up mail filters, but
>ultimately I would like to stop it at the source.


Admin and moderator roles are determined by who knows what passwords,
not by whose address is in what box. The major difference between
putting an address in owner vs. moderator is the owner addresses
appear in the 'list run by' footer on web pages and the moderator
addresses do not.

I think what you want to do in your case is put the addresses of the
list moderators in the respective owner attributes and leave the
moderator attributes empty.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Wed Nov 21 16:38:49 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:38:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to post to list (Mailman+Exim)
In-Reply-To: <1195638594.31488.42.camel@gubbi.bigadda.net>
Message-ID: 

Kapil Karekar wrote:
>
>I have done the Exim router setup as per the documentation at:
>
>http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#roconf
>
>My router config viz. 101_exim4-config_mailman is as given below:
>
>mailman_router:
>   driver = accept
>   domains = +mm_domains
>   require_files = MM_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck
>   local_part_suffix_optional
>   local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \
>                       -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \
>                       -owner : -request : -admin
>   transport = mailman_transport
>
>Still it does not work.


The above is not a complete router definition. It is missing the
'-subscribe' and '-unsubscribe' suffixes. It is not the one at
. It looks like the
one in the Mailman configuration manual which is wrong. See
.

Still, even the above should work if you have the appropriate macro
definitions and mailman_transport definition in your exim config.

I suggest you go back to  and
follow all the suggestions in the

 # Main configuration settings
 # Exim Router
 # Exim Transport

sections of that document.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jacques at jpdailey.com  Wed Nov 21 17:30:05 2007
From: jacques at jpdailey.com (Jacques Dailey)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:30:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Daemon RunLevel Question
Message-ID: <47445D0D.7050502@jpdailey.com>

Hi,

I have Mailman configured on my SuSE 10.1 system, using the Postfix MTA 
and ASSP (Anti Spam SMTP Proxy) on the front end.  So far everything is 
running great!  Most recently, I started looking at how/when the 
individual apps started up and shut down, as I've had a couple of 
unplanned bounces that shut down email for a bit.  ASSP is now 
configured to start at runlevel 5, right after Postfix.

My question: I see a startup/shutdown script for Mailman in rc.d, but it 
doesn't seem to be linked to any particular runlevel (running Mailman 
2.1).  How/where is the Mailmanctl daemon launched, and what are the 
dependencies?  I'm assuming the MTA and ASSP should be up and running 
first, along with Apache.  Correct?

Thanks,

JD

From cheryltrooskinzoller at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 18:58:30 2007
From: cheryltrooskinzoller at gmail.com (Cheryl Trooskin-Zoller)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:58:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] extracting addresses without a mailman
	installation?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: 

On 11/21/07, Brad Knowles  wrote:
> So, why not install Mailman on another machine, restore the
> appropriate bits of the /usr/local/mailman directory, and then run
> the appropriate command-line tools?  Or, for that matter, why not
> just restore the entire /usr/local/mailman directory structure, then
> re-install a new copy of Mailman on top of that (in case there are
> architectural differences, etc... between the two machines), and then
> get back into operation pretty much immediately?

We do not have shell access to machine that's filling in for the interim.

As soon as I'm not three thousand miles away from everything, I'll be
able to rebuild the system and we'll do exactly as you suggest -- but
that's a week from now.  I'm looking for a solution that will tide us
over for the week.

sev

From manlio_perillo at libero.it  Wed Nov 21 19:59:44 2007
From: manlio_perillo at libero.it (Manlio Perillo)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:59:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] move a mailman instance to a new server
	(andnewversion)
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <47448020.6040802@libero.it>

Mark Sapiro ha scritto:
> [...]
> These steps or variants thereof are outlined in the list posts
> referenced by the FAQ
> .
> 

Thanks, it seems that this worked.

One last thing: what about
/var/lib/mailman/data/last_mailman_version
?

I have copied this file from the old server, and it seems that mailman 
has not updated it.



Regards  Manlio Perillo

From lev at vpac.org  Thu Nov 22 00:50:08 2007
From: lev at vpac.org (Lev Lafayette)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:50:08 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Combining existing lists?
Message-ID: <1195689008.4934.7.camel@sys09.in.vpac.org>


Hey mailman people,

I'm sure this is possible, but if anyone can point me to the requisite
information it would be appreciated..

I have a number of lists. Due to the fact that there's a fair bit of
crossover between them, I want to close down all but one of them.
However I want to get the archives of the old lists and merge them with
the list I want to keep.

All the best,


Lev




From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov 22 01:10:23 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:10:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] move a mailman instance to a new server
	(andnewversion)
In-Reply-To: <47448020.6040802@libero.it>
Message-ID: 

Manlio Perillo wrote:
>
>One last thing: what about
>/var/lib/mailman/data/last_mailman_version
>?
>
>I have copied this file from the old server, and it seems that mailman 
>has not updated it.


It shouldn't have been copied from the old version.

It is only used by bin/update to determine if it needs to do anything
when you install Mailman over an existing installation (or otherwise
run bin/update).

For a 2.1.9 final release, it's contents should be

0x020109f0

If you copied it from 2.1.5, it's contents probably are

0x020105f0

This means if you should run bin/update, it may try to do some
superfluous checking, but probably won't do any damage.

Note that this is not used at all in the process of updating list's
config.pck files from 2.1.5 to 2.1.9.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov 22 01:47:15 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:47:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Combining existing lists?
In-Reply-To: <1195689008.4934.7.camel@sys09.in.vpac.org>
Message-ID: 

Lev Lafayette wrote:
>
>I have a number of lists. Due to the fact that there's a fair bit of
>crossover between them, I want to close down all but one of them.
>However I want to get the archives of the old lists and merge them with
>the list I want to keep.


Since you are going to be merging the archives into one, you are
presumably not concerned about invalidating previously saved archive
URLs, since I don't know how they would be maintained in any merge.

The short answer is concatenate the
archives/private/.mbox/.mbox files for the lists
into one collective file which replaces the
archives/private/.mbox/.mbox file for the list you
are going to keep. Then run

 bin/arch --wipe listname

for the 'kept' list to build a new archive with all messages.

Depending on how old your lists are, it may be helpful to check the
.mbox file with bin/cleanarch first.

See

 bin/arch --help
 bin/cleanarch --help

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From kapil.karekar at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 06:13:05 2007
From: kapil.karekar at gmail.com (Kapil Karekar)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:43:05 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to post to list (Mailman+Exim)
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1195708385.15280.10.camel@gubbi.bigadda.net>

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the reply.

I have re-verified all the steps listed at:

http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html

The main, router and transport configuration on my machine is exactly as
per the documentation. Yet I get the same error message in my rejectlog.
viz.

2007-11-22 10:21:41 H=(mail.domain.tld) [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] F= rejected RCPT : Unrouteable address

Is there something which I should add to the /etc/aliases file to make the lists work? Please help, I have been pulling my hair out trying to figure this :(

Thanks a lot >:D<

- Kapil

On Wed, 2007e-11-21 at 07:38 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Kapil Karekar wrote:
> >
> >I have done the Exim router setup as per the documentation at:
> >
> >http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#roconf
> >
> >My router config viz. 101_exim4-config_mailman is as given below:
> >
> >mailman_router:
> >   driver = accept
> >   domains = +mm_domains
> >   require_files = MM_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck
> >   local_part_suffix_optional
> >   local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \
> >                       -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \
> >                       -owner : -request : -admin
> >   transport = mailman_transport
> >
> >Still it does not work.http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html
> 
> 
> The above is not a complete router definition. It is missing the
> '-subscribe' and '-unsubscribe' suffixes. It is not the one at
> . It looks like the
> one in the Mailman configuration manual which is wrong. See
> .
> 
> Still, even the above should work if you have the appropriate macro
> definitions and mailman_transport definition in your exim config.
> 
> I suggest you go back to  and
> follow all the suggestions in the
> 
>  # Main configuration settings
>  # Exim Router
>  # Exim Transport
> 
> sections of that document.
> 


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov 22 06:51:18 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:51:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to post to list (Mailman+Exim)
In-Reply-To: <1195708385.15280.10.camel@gubbi.bigadda.net>
Message-ID: 

Kapil Karekar wrote:
>
>I have re-verified all the steps listed at:
>
>http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html
>
>The main, router and transport configuration on my machine is exactly as
>per the documentation.


Well, the router you posted previously is NOT exactly as per the
documentation at . Have you
changed it?


>Yet I get the same error message in my rejectlog.
>viz.
>
>2007-11-22 10:21:41 H=(mail.domain.tld) [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] F= rejected RCPT : Unrouteable address


The order of routers in Exim is significant. Is there another router
preceding the mailman_router that might be processing
 and be unable to route it?


>Is there something which I should add to the /etc/aliases file to make the lists work? Please help, I have been pulling my hair out trying to figure this :(


No. If the macro definitions, mailman_router and mailman_transport are
correct, and the list exists (i.e. the require_files in the router is
satisfied), and there are no preceding routers that preempt
 and then can't route it, then that's all
you need.

I suggest that you verify that the require_files in the router expands
to the correct path, and if the mailman_router isn't the first one,
move it to be first.

Then you can run

  exim -bt 

to see if the address is routable.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de  Thu Nov 22 14:01:15 2007
From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:01:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce handling for invalid owner adresses
Message-ID: <5AEC811D8F3159799BD4B0E4@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>

Hi,

we're using Mailman 2.1.9 for about 800 lists and or the most part we're 
very happy with it. However, with such a number of lists it's hard to keep 
track of lists that might not be used anymore. Sometimes we have lists with 
no subscribers, but more often we find that owner's addresses don't exist 
anymore. Currently Mailman just ignore bounces from owner addresses. I 
would like to see bounce handling foor those addresses similar to the 
existing regular bounce handling. One idea would be to send an alert to the 
mailman list if a specified number of bounces has accumulated for an owner 
address.

Is something like that in the pipeline? Or is thsi situation too rare to 
merit the effort? How do other sites handle this situation?

Thanks, Sebastian
-- 
     .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:.
Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK
.:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:.
                   .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:.

From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov 22 18:30:35 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:30:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce handling for invalid owner adresses
In-Reply-To: <5AEC811D8F3159799BD4B0E4@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
Message-ID: 

Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:
>
>we're using Mailman 2.1.9 for about 800 lists and or the most part we're 
>very happy with it. However, with such a number of lists it's hard to keep 
>track of lists that might not be used anymore. Sometimes we have lists with 
>no subscribers, but more often we find that owner's addresses don't exist 
>anymore. Currently Mailman just ignore bounces from owner addresses. I 
>would like to see bounce handling foor those addresses similar to the 
>existing regular bounce handling. One idea would be to send an alert to the 
>mailman list if a specified number of bounces has accumulated for an owner 
>address.


Actually, Mailman's intent is to send list-owner bounces to the site
list (mailman list) owner, but the current code doesn't work. I
discovered this recently when fixing another problem
().
The fix for list-owner bounces is complicated, and I haven't done it
yet, but I will try to do something for Mailman 2.1.10.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From david at hlacik.eu  Thu Nov 22 18:32:20 2007
From: david at hlacik.eu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Hl=E1=E8ik?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:32:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on CentOS,
	with virtual domain configuration for Postfix
Message-ID: 

Hi to all,

i am facing with a problems of installation mailman from original package
for CentOS 5.0.

I need to setup mailman to use as MTA Postfix with virtual domains.

I have 2 virtual domains 'something.domain.com' 'something2.domain.com'

something.domain.com belongs to FQDN of server running mailman

Configuration of my  mm_cfg.py


add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('something2.domain.com','something2.domain.com')

##############################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
# See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.            #

# Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg, but
you
# didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.

MTA='Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['something.domain.com','
something2.domain.com']

--------------

I ve generated default list mailman, set site password using mmsutepass.

All i want is to properly generate virtual-mailman for postfix.

The problem is adding a new mailinglist. When i will follow
http://something2.domain.com/mailman/admin and will add new mailinglist
called test for example after clicking on create mailinglist mailman will
come up with a message
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

this is mailman error log :



Nov 22 18:30:30 2007 admin(3098):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(3098): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.9 -----]
admin(3098): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(3098): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 101, in run_main
admin(3098):     main()
admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 56, in
main
admin(3098):     process_request(doc, cgidata)
admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 238, in
process_request
admin(3098):     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in
create
admin(3098):     _update_maps()
admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in
_update_maps
admin(3098):     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
admin(3098): RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/etc/mailman/aliases (status:
1, Operation not permitted)
admin(3098): [----- Python Information -----]

Thanks for helping me solving a problem.



David Hlacik

From david at hlacik.eu  Thu Nov 22 18:34:15 2007
From: david at hlacik.eu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Hl=E1=E8ik?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:34:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ldap
Message-ID: 

Hi,
is there any site talking about LDAP implementation of mailinglists.

next, is there any site talking about news <----> mailman implemetation.

Thanks a lot

David

From msapiro at value.net  Thu Nov 22 19:48:40 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:48:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on CentOS,
	with virtual domain configuration for Postfix
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

David Hlacik wrote:
>
>I need to setup mailman to use as MTA Postfix with virtual domains.
>
>I have 2 virtual domains 'something.domain.com' 'something2.domain.com'
>
>something.domain.com belongs to FQDN of server running mailman
>
>Configuration of my  mm_cfg.py
>
>
>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)


The line above is redundant if you haven't first changed
DEFAULT_URL_HOST or DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.


>add_virtualhost('something2.domain.com','something2.domain.com')
>
>##############################################################
># Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
># See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.            #
>
># Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg, but
>you
># didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.
>
>MTA='Postfix'
>POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['something.domain.com','
>something2.domain.com']


This may or may not be correct depending on your Postfix configuration.
If 'something.domain.com' is in virtual_alias_domains in main.cf, then
the above is correct, but if only 'something2.domain.com' is in
virtual_alias_domains (something.domain.com is mydomain), then you want

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['something2.domain.com']


>--------------
>
>I ve generated default list mailman, set site password using mmsutepass.
>
>All i want is to properly generate virtual-mailman for postfix.
>
>The problem is adding a new mailinglist. When i will follow
>http://something2.domain.com/mailman/admin and will add new mailinglist
>called test for example after clicking on create mailinglist mailman will
>come up with a message
>Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9
>
>We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>
>Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
>traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
>the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
>
>this is mailman error log :
>
>
>
>Nov 22 18:30:30 2007 admin(3098):
>@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>admin(3098): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.9 -----]
>admin(3098): [----- Traceback ------]
>admin(3098): Traceback (most recent call last):
>admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 101, in run_main
>admin(3098):     main()
>admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 56, in
>main
>admin(3098):     process_request(doc, cgidata)
>admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 238, in
>process_request
>admin(3098):     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
>admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in
>create
>admin(3098):     _update_maps()
>admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in
>_update_maps
>admin(3098):     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
>admin(3098): RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
>/etc/mailman/aliases (status:
>1, Operation not permitted)
>admin(3098): [----- Python Information -----]
>
>Thanks for helping me solving a problem.


I'm not sure what the exact cause is, but the problem is that
/usr/sbin/postalias when run as user=(apache or whatever your web
server runs as) and group=mailman doesn't have sufficient access to
read /etc/mailman/aliases and/or write/create /etc/mailman/aliases.db.

This may be a SeLinux issue. It may be a simple permissions issue. The
location of aliases and virtual-mailman in /etc/mailman is a RedHat
specific FHS modification, and I'm not sure about the permissions in
this case, but I think /etc/mailman should be group:mailman and
permissions rwxrwsr-w, and the aliases and virtual-mailman files
should be also group:mailman and permissions rw-rw-r--.

If the permissions are as I note (in particular /etc/mailman/ is
SETGID, group writable and group:mailman, and the files are group
writable, group:mailman and world readable), and you still have this
problem, then I think it must be a SeLinux issue.

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From david at hlacik.eu  Thu Nov 22 20:23:56 2007
From: david at hlacik.eu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Hl=E1=E8ik?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:23:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on CentOS,
	with virtual domain configuration for Postfix
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: 

Thanks Mark a lot!

I was overworked or something, that i didnt understand , that when i created
from shell as root initial mailinglist mailman, it created aliases with
root:mailman owner. Changing to apache:mailman helped and now it works fine.

Have a nice day,

David



On 11/22/07, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
>
> David Hlacik wrote:
> >
> >I need to setup mailman to use as MTA Postfix with virtual domains.
> >
> >I have 2 virtual domains 'something.domain.com' 'something2.domain.com'
> >
> >something.domain.com belongs to FQDN of server running mailman
> >
> >Configuration of my  mm_cfg.py
> >
> >
> >add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
>
> The line above is redundant if you haven't first changed
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST or DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.
>
>
> >add_virtualhost('something2.domain.com','something2.domain.com')
> >
> >##############################################################
> ># Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
> ># See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.            #
> >
> ># Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg,
> but
> >you
> ># didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.
> >
> >MTA='Postfix'
> >POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['something.domain.com','
> >something2.domain.com']
>
>
> This may or may not be correct depending on your Postfix configuration.
> If 'something.domain.com' is in virtual_alias_domains in main.cf, then
> the above is correct, but if only 'something2.domain.com' is in
> virtual_alias_domains (something.domain.com is mydomain), then you want
>
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['something2.domain.com']
>
>
> >--------------
> >
> >I ve generated default list mailman, set site password using mmsutepass.
> >
> >All i want is to properly generate virtual-mailman for postfix.
> >
> >The problem is adding a new mailinglist. When i will follow
> >http://something2.domain.com/mailman/admin and will add new mailinglist
> >called test for example after clicking on create mailinglist mailman will
> >come up with a message
> >Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9
> >
> >We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> >
> >Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
> >traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
> >the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
> >
> >this is mailman error log :
> >
> >
> >
> >Nov 22 18:30:30 2007 admin(3098):
> >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> >admin(3098): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.9 -----]
> >admin(3098): [----- Traceback ------]
> >admin(3098): Traceback (most recent call last):
> >admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 101, in
> run_main
> >admin(3098):     main()
> >admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 56, in
> >main
> >admin(3098):     process_request(doc, cgidata)
> >admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 238,
> in
> >process_request
> >admin(3098):     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
> >admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232,
> in
> >create
> >admin(3098):     _update_maps()
> >admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53,
> in
> >_update_maps
> >admin(3098):     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
> >admin(3098): RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
> >/etc/mailman/aliases (status:
> >1, Operation not permitted)
> >admin(3098): [----- Python Information -----]
> >
> >Thanks for helping me solving a problem.
>
>
> I'm not sure what the exact cause is, but the problem is that
> /usr/sbin/postalias when run as user=(apache or whatever your web
> server runs as) and group=mailman doesn't have sufficient access to
> read /etc/mailman/aliases and/or write/create /etc/mailman/aliases.db.
>
> This may be a SeLinux issue. It may be a simple permissions issue. The
> location of aliases and virtual-mailman in /etc/mailman is a RedHat
> specific FHS modification, and I'm not sure about the permissions in
> this case, but I think /etc/mailman should be group:mailman and
> permissions rwxrwsr-w, and the aliases and virtual-mailman files
> should be also group:mailman and permissions rw-rw-r--.
>
> If the permissions are as I note (in particular /etc/mailman/ is
> SETGID, group writable and group:mailman, and the files are group
> writable, group:mailman and world readable), and you still have this
> problem, then I think it must be a SeLinux issue.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>

From david at hlacik.eu  Fri Nov 23 14:18:16 2007
From: david at hlacik.eu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Hl=E1=E8ik?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:18:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on CentOS,
	with virtual domain configuration for Postfix
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: 

Hi,
ive fixed the problem by changing owner of aliases, and virtual-mailman
files to apache:mailman, the problem is , that postfix is now having problem
to sending message :
in postfix maillog i see :

Nov 23 14:16:15 sx2 Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. Mailman
expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as one of the following
groups: [mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon], but the system's mail
server executed the mail script as group: "apache". Try tweaking the mail
server to run the script as one of these groups: [mail, postfix, mailman,
nobody, daemon], or re-run configure providing the command line option:
'--with-mail-gid=apache'.
Nov 23 14:16:15 sx2 postfix/local[12548]: 4F4CB80085: to=<
aha at sx2.labs.polarion.com>, relay=local, delay=0.13, delays=0.05/0.01/0/0.06,
dsn=5.3.0, status=bounced (Command died with status 2:
"/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post aha". Command output: Group mismatch
error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as one of the
following groups: [mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon], but the system's
mail server executed the mail script as group: "apache". Try tweaking the
mail server to run the script as one of these groups: [mail, postfix,
mailman, nobody, daemon], or re-run configure providing the command line
option: '--with-mail-gid=apache'. )
Nov 23 14:16:15 sx2 postfix/cleanup[12534]: 6FF7680086: message-id=<
20071123131615.6FF7680086 at sx2.labs.polarion.com>
Nov 23 14:16:15 sx2 postfix/smtpd[12531]: disconnect from sx2.
Thanks



On 11/22/07, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
>
> David Hlacik wrote:
> >
> >I need to setup mailman to use as MTA Postfix with virtual domains.
> >
> >I have 2 virtual domains 'something.domain.com' 'something2.domain.com'
> >
> > something.domain.com belongs to FQDN of server running mailman
> >
> >Configuration of my  mm_cfg.py
> >
> >
> >add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
>
> The line above is redundant if you haven't first changed
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST or DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.
>
>
> >add_virtualhost('something2.domain.com','something2.domain.com')
> >
> >##############################################################
> ># Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
> ># See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.            #
> >
> ># Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg,
> but
> >you
> ># didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.
> >
> >MTA='Postfix'
> >POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [' something.domain.com','
> >something2.domain.com']
>
>
> This may or may not be correct depending on your Postfix configuration.
> If 'something.domain.com' is in virtual_alias_domains in main.cf, then
> the above is correct, but if only ' something2.domain.com' is in
> virtual_alias_domains (something.domain.com is mydomain), then you want
>
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [' something2.domain.com']
>
>
> >--------------
> >
> >I ve generated default list mailman, set site password using mmsutepass.
> >
> >All i want is to properly generate virtual-mailman for postfix.
> >
> >The problem is adding a new mailinglist. When i will follow
> >http://something2.domain.com/mailman/admin and will add new mailinglist
> >called test for example after clicking on create mailinglist mailman will
>
> >come up with a message
> >Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9
> >
> >We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> >
> >Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
> >traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
>
> >the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
> >
> >this is mailman error log :
> >
> >
> >
> >Nov 22 18:30:30 2007 admin(3098):
> >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> >admin(3098): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.9 -----]
> >admin(3098): [----- Traceback ------]
> >admin(3098): Traceback (most recent call last):
> >admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 101, in
> run_main
> >admin(3098):     main()
> >admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 56, in
> >main
> >admin(3098):     process_request(doc, cgidata)
> >admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 238,
> in
> >process_request
> >admin(3098):     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
> >admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232,
> in
> >create
> >admin(3098):     _update_maps()
> >admin(3098):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53,
> in
> >_update_maps
> >admin(3098):     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
> >admin(3098): RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
> >/etc/mailman/aliases (status:
> >1, Operation not permitted)
> >admin(3098): [----- Python Information -----]
> >
> >Thanks for helping me solving a problem.
>
>
> I'm not sure what the exact cause is, but the problem is that
> /usr/sbin/postalias when run as user=(apache or whatever your web
> server runs as) and group=mailman doesn't have sufficient access to
> read /etc/mailman/aliases and/or write/create /etc/mailman/aliases.db.
>
> This may be a SeLinux issue. It may be a simple permissions issue. The
> location of aliases and virtual-mailman in /etc/mailman is a RedHat
> specific FHS modification, and I'm not sure about the permissions in
> this case, but I think /etc/mailman should be group:mailman and
> permissions rwxrwsr-w, and the aliases and virtual-mailman files
> should be also group:mailman and permissions rw-rw-r--.
>
> If the permissions are as I note (in particular /etc/mailman/ is
> SETGID, group writable and group:mailman, and the files are group
> writable, group:mailman and world readable), and you still have this
> problem, then I think it must be a SeLinux issue.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro < msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>

From Klaus.Steinberger at physik.uni-muenchen.de  Fri Nov 23 14:27:46 2007
From: Klaus.Steinberger at physik.uni-muenchen.de (Klaus Steinberger)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:27:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ldap
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200711231427.46837.Klaus.Steinberger@physik.uni-muenchen.de>

Am Donnerstag 22 November 2007 schrieben Sie:
> Hi,
> is there any site talking about LDAP implementation of mailinglists.
>
> next, is there any site talking about news <----> mailman implemetation.
Look here:

http://webserver.offal.homelinux.org/LDAPMemberAdaptor/V3.0/LDAPMemberAdaptor/

But it has some pitfalls:

It is read-only. So it is not possible to change attributes of an account 
(like receive digest or not and so on).

Also it is not possible to held both LDAP members and others.

So in most cases it was a better solution for me to not use this modul, and 
instead use a little perl program which searches the LDAP Server and then 
adds members with the mailman command-line tools.

Sincerly,
Klaus

-- 
Klaus Steinberger         Beschleunigerlaboratorium
Phone: (+49 89)289 14287  Am Coulombwall 6, D-85748 Garching, Germany
FAX:   (+49 89)289 14280  EMail: Klaus.Steinberger at Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE
URL: http://www.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~Klaus.Steinberger/

From zbigniew at szalbot.homedns.org  Fri Nov 23 18:59:02 2007
From: zbigniew at szalbot.homedns.org (zbigniew szalbot)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:59:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman errors
Message-ID: <474714E6.80603@szalbot.homedns.org>

I get a lot of below errors and worse some of the lists that have been 
created no longer send out emails. Can you help me troubleshoot it?

Thank you!

Nov 23 15:06:12 2007 (70462) SHUNTING: 
1195826769.306325+db3247f3fd9baf0ca519cd58e37b4c1875fc76b3
Nov 23 15:06:32 2007 (70462) Uncaught runner exception: unsupported 
operand type(s) for -=: 'str' and 'int'
Nov 23 15:06:32 2007 (70462) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 73, in 
_dispose
    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 159, in 
process
    deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 345, in 
verpdeliver
    bulkdeliver(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata, envsender, failures, conn)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 369, in 
bulkdeliver
    refused = conn.sendmail(envsender, recips, msgtext)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 78, in 
sendmail
    self.__numsessions -= 1
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for -=: 'str' and 'int'



From mangoo at wpkg.org  Fri Nov 23 20:38:51 2007
From: mangoo at wpkg.org (Tomasz Chmielewski)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:38:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] disable new subscriptions?
Message-ID: <47472C4B.10902@wpkg.org>

I'm migrating a list from one site to another.

Because of this, I want to disable new subscriptions on the old site. Is 
it possible?

I didn't find any specific option to disable new subscriptions in the 
list admin interface.


-- 
Tomasz Chmielewski
http://wpkg.org

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Nov 24 06:11:32 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:11:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Re:  disable new subscriptions?
Message-ID: 

Message-ID: 
X-Mailer: Ultrafunk Popcorn 1.76 (09-August-2006)
X-Priority: 3
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:53:07 -0800
From: Mark Sapiro 
To: Tomasz Chmielewski ,
	mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] disable new subscriptions?
In-Reply-To: <47472C4B.10902 at wpkg.org>
Organization: Not Very Much

Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:

>I'm migrating a list from one site to another.
>
>Because of this, I want to disable new subscriptions on the old site. Is 
>it possible?
>
>I didn't find any specific option to disable new subscriptions in the 
>list admin interface.


Set Privacy options...->Subscription rules->subscribe_policy to
'require approval' and don't approve any subscription requests.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Nov 24 06:12:14 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:12:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Re:  mailman errors
Message-ID: 

Message-ID: 
X-Mailer: Ultrafunk Popcorn 1.76 (09-August-2006)
X-Priority: 3
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:48:04 -0800
From: Mark Sapiro 
To: zbigniew szalbot ,
	Mailman Users 
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman errors
In-Reply-To: <474714E6.80603 at szalbot.homedns.org>
Organization: Not Very Much

zbigniew szalbot wrote:

>I get a lot of below errors and worse some of the lists that have been 
>created no longer send out emails. Can you help me troubleshoot it?
>
>Thank you!
>
>Nov 23 15:06:12 2007 (70462) SHUNTING: 
>1195826769.306325+db3247f3fd9baf0ca519cd58e37b4c1875fc76b3
>Nov 23 15:06:32 2007 (70462) Uncaught runner exception: unsupported 
>operand type(s) for -=: 'str' and 'int'
>Nov 23 15:06:32 2007 (70462) Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, in _oneloop
>    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, in _onefile
>    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 73, in 
>_dispose
>    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 159, in 
>process
>    deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 345, in 
>verpdeliver
>    bulkdeliver(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata, envsender, failures, conn)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 369, in 
>bulkdeliver
>    refused = conn.sendmail(envsender, recips, msgtext)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 78, in 
>sendmail
>    self.__numsessions -= 1
>TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for -=: 'str' and 'int'


Have you set SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION in mm_cfg.py?

In particular, have you set it to a string instead of a number?

I.e., it needs to be something like

SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 10

(or whatever number you want) not

SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = '10'

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Nov 24 06:06:47 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:06:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on CentOS,
	with virtual domain configuration for Postfix
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

David Hlacik wrote:
>
>ive fixed the problem by changing owner of aliases, and virtual-mailman
>files to apache:mailman, the problem is , that postfix is now having problem
>to sending message :
>in postfix maillog i see :
>
>Nov 23 14:16:15 sx2 Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. Mailman
>expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as one of the following
>groups: [mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon], but the system's mail
>server executed the mail script as group: "apache". Try tweaking the mail
>server to run the script as one of these groups: [mail, postfix, mailman,
>nobody, daemon], or re-run configure providing the command line option:
>'--with-mail-gid=apache'.


See

for some detail.

The problem is you applied the wrong fix for your previous problem. Yo
made the aliases file owned by 'apache' so now Postfix runs the pipes
it finds there as user:group apache:apache.

The proper fix was to make mailman the owner and make sure the files
were group:mailman and also make sure that
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman and all the files in
/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin are group mailman and SETGID.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From zbigniew at szalbot.homedns.org  Sat Nov 24 12:04:12 2007
From: zbigniew at szalbot.homedns.org (zbigniew szalbot)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:04:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman errors
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4748052C.8070704@szalbot.homedns.org>

Hello,


> >I get a lot of below errors and worse some of the lists that have been 
> >created no longer send out emails. Can you help me troubleshoot it?
> >
> >Thank you!
> >
> >Nov 23 15:06:12 2007 (70462) SHUNTING: 
> >1195826769.306325+db3247f3fd9baf0ca519cd58e37b4c1875fc76b3
> >Nov 23 15:06:32 2007 (70462) Uncaught runner exception: unsupported 
> >operand type(s) for -=: 'str' and 'int'
> >Nov 23 15:06:32 2007 (70462) Traceback (most recent call last):
> >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, in _oneloop
> >    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
> >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, in _onefile
> >    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 73, in 
> >_dispose
> >    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 159, in 
> >process
> >    deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn)
> >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 345, in 
> >verpdeliver
> >    bulkdeliver(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata, envsender, failures, conn)
> >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 369, in 
> >bulkdeliver
> >    refused = conn.sendmail(envsender, recips, msgtext)
> >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 78, in 
> >sendmail
> >    self.__numsessions -= 1
> >TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for -=: 'str' and 'int'
>
>
> Have you set SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION in mm_cfg.py?
>
> In particular, have you set it to a string instead of a number?
>
> I.e., it needs to be something like
>
> SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 10
>
> (or whatever number you want) not
>
> SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = '10'
>   
The content of mm_cfg.py currently looks like this:
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.lc-words.com'
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.lc-words.com'
SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = '25'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

Thanks!

Zbigniew Szalbot
Thanks!

From lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl  Sat Nov 24 15:05:31 2007
From: lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl (lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:05:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? accessing public archives
Message-ID: <20071124141242.42E5120129E@duinheks.xs4all.nl>

Hallo,

I created a mailing list using Mailman for the first time and have
a problem accessing the public archives.

The FAQ told me to put the FollowSymLinks option into the httpd.conf.
I did that:

    AddDefaultCharSet off
    AllowOverride None
    Options FollowSymLinks
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all


But when I try to connect to duinheks.xs4all.nl/pipermail/amc-support
I get a "403: forbidden" error:
Symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible:
/opt/mailman/archives/public/amc-support

What else should I look at?

Groeten,

           Hans.

jdh punt beekhuizen bij duinheks punt xs4all punt nl

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5/071030
 * Origin: The Wizard is using MBSE/Linux (2:280/1018)

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Nov 24 17:47:57 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:47:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? accessing public archives
In-Reply-To: <20071124141242.42E5120129E@duinheks.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: 

lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl wrote:
>
>But when I try to connect to duinheks.xs4all.nl/pipermail/amc-support
>I get a "403: forbidden" error:
>Symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible:
>/opt/mailman/archives/public/amc-support
>
>What else should I look at?


The information in the 'warning' box at
.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From keithwdaniels at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 18:06:21 2007
From: keithwdaniels at gmail.com (Keith Daniels)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:06:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Saved configurations are not applied to email sent
	to list members
Message-ID: <520cca510711240906n3ac2e603x9722bf75f0d75086@mail.gmail.com>

I am at a total loss.  I have run check_perms and then compared all my
directories and their permissions/ownership to the ones I have seen in
the forums and I can see no problems.  There are no error entries in
either Mailman's logs or in the apache logs for .com
nor in the postfix logs.


Note: What I  say about what it does and does not do, only applies to
the "mailman site list".   I wanted to make sure that list worked
normally before I sent mailings out to the real list.  The real list
was imported from another server.  It appears in /listinfo pages and
you can login and change the configuration as well as view the old
archives that I transferred.  So the transfer looks good but I worry
about it having the same problems as the mailman list.

What the mailman list does do:

1 - It receives and sends post to the list
2 - It saves the web interface configuration changes to the *.pck file
( I tested this several ways)
3 - You can create a new list.

What the mailman list does not do:

1 - It does not apply configuration settings to emails sent to the
list members.  (headers, footers, accept_these_nonmembers and all
other changes made in the web interface)


What the delivered post looks like:

  It looks just like "any email" I would have sent directly from
Yahoo.  My test have been made sending mail from a Yahoo.com account
to mailman@.com which are then sent to an account at
Gmail.com

Here is a sample of a recieved post:
------------------------------------------
        from         XXXX XXXXX 
        to           "mailman@com" .com>
        date         Nov 24, 2007 10:45 AM
        subject      Mailman test #1929
        signed-by    yahoo.com

Mailman test #1929


Does anyone have any clues about what could cause this or any ideas of
anything I could test or check?

If this looks like a lot of work to figure out and/or fix I would
rather just remove Mailman and reinstall the latest version for Suse
10.0.

Any opinions about the validity of re-installing?

-------------------------------
Computer setup & other info:
-------------------------------

System Info:
  Brand  unknown
  Pentium4-HT
  1 gig ram


Software Info:
  (installed by ISP originally -- I am just configuring it)
  All installed by RPMs, probably from SUSE
  Suse 10.0
  Mailman vs 2.1.6
  Postfix v2.2.5
  Apache v2.0.54
  NO anti spam
  NO procmail
  All software install paths are standard SUSE 1.0.0

mm-cfg.py site-specific settings:
  MTA = 'Postfix'
  POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias'
  POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap'
  SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
  SMTPPORT = '25'

  DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
  DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'fos..com'
  DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = '.com'
  DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists..com'
  IMAGE_LOGOS = '/mailmanicons/'
  add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

My Access:
  I have a dedicated server and I have root access.


What I have done so far to find the answer:
  Searched the Documents, web site FAQ and googled a lot...
----------------------------------


Thanks in advance

Keith

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Nov 24 18:35:10 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:35:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Saved configurations are not applied to email
	sentto list members
In-Reply-To: <520cca510711240906n3ac2e603x9722bf75f0d75086@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Keith Daniels wrote:
>
>What the mailman list does do:
>
>1 - It receives and sends post to the list
>2 - It saves the web interface configuration changes to the *.pck file
>( I tested this several ways)
>3 - You can create a new list.
>
>What the mailman list does not do:
>
>1 - It does not apply configuration settings to emails sent to the
>list members.  (headers, footers, accept_these_nonmembers and all
>other changes made in the web interface)
>
>
>What the delivered post looks like:
>
>  It looks just like "any email" I would have sent directly from
>Yahoo.  My test have been made sending mail from a Yahoo.com account
>to mailman@.com which are then sent to an account at
>Gmail.com
>
>Here is a sample of a recieved post:
>------------------------------------------
>        from         XXXX XXXXX 
>        to           "mailman@com" .com>
>        date         Nov 24, 2007 10:45 AM
>        subject      Mailman test #1929
>        signed-by    yahoo.com
>
>Mailman test #1929


Did this post go through mailman? What are the full headers? Is ther an
"X-BeenThere: mailman@com" header and or other mailman
headers?


>Does anyone have any clues about what could cause this or any ideas of
>anything I could test or check?


Do you have a separate Postfix alias (in /etc/aliases perhaps) the
delivers mail sent to 'mailman' to you directly.

Also, check maillog to see where this mail to mailman@com
was delivered and if it was resent from Mailman. The latter can also
be determined from Mailman's logs.


>If this looks like a lot of work to figure out and/or fix I would
>rather just remove Mailman and reinstall the latest version for Suse
>10.0.
>
>Any opinions about the validity of re-installing?


I think it's an MTA/alias issue. If I'm right, reinstalling won't
change it.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From keithwdaniels at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 21:23:37 2007
From: keithwdaniels at gmail.com (Keith Daniels)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:23:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Saved configurations are not applied to email
	sentto list members
In-Reply-To: 
References: <520cca510711240906n3ac2e603x9722bf75f0d75086@mail.gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <520cca510711241223n2eb09608w9bcb5fffa3ae48e0@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/24/07, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> Keith Daniels wrote:
>
> Did this post go through mailman? What are the full headers? Is ther an
> "X-BeenThere: mailman@com" header and or other mailman
> headers?
>

After looking at your alias question below I realize that -- no, it
was not going through mailman (see below)

>
> Do you have a separate Postfix alias (in /etc/aliases perhaps) the
> delivers mail sent to 'mailman' to you directly.

I did not realize it -- but I did.  Apparently the ISP set it up to
send mailman to root -- and -- later I sent root to my address on the
local servers local and then directed my email address to the gmail
account.

>
> Also, check maillog to see where this mail to mailman@com
> was delivered and if it was resent from Mailman. The latter can also
> be determined from Mailman's logs.
>

OK, things  are normal, a new set of problems have arrived.... :-)
When I fixed the mailman alias ie. set it to mailman -- the mail
started to arrive in the mailman spool folder.  Of course it just sits
there instead of being processed so I have to go chase that problem
down now....  At least I am seeing a trail of where it stops instead
of just nothing happening......

Two questions:

I set the mailman alias to "mailman: mailman".  Is that correct?

When I set up mailman,  it automatically set the   DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST,
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and   DEFAULT_URL_HOST -- all to
"fos..com" which  is the 'hostname/domainname' of my server
hardware.  I changed the email to ".com" and the URL_host
to "lists..com" (the vhost.d config file server name) and
left the NNTP_HOST the way it was.  Should I have left all settings at
"fos..com" like mailman suggested?


> I think it's an MTA/alias issue. If I'm right, reinstalling won't
> change it.

I agree.  I will get back to you if I hit another snag in the instalation saga.

Thanks for your help

Keith


>
> --
> Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Nov 24 21:47:11 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:47:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Saved configurations are not applied to email
	sentto list members
In-Reply-To: <520cca510711241223n2eb09608w9bcb5fffa3ae48e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Keith Daniels wrote:
>
>Two questions:
>
>I set the mailman alias to "mailman: mailman".  Is that correct?


No. You want to remove this alias altogether so that the 10 aliases for
mailman, mailman-admin, etc. which are in Mailman's data/aliases will
be effective and not preempted by the /etc/aliases alias.

Or, I think you could just reorder alias_maps in your Postfix main.cf
to put the mailman aliases first.


>When I set up mailman,  it automatically set the   DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST,
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and   DEFAULT_URL_HOST -- all to
>"fos..com" which  is the 'hostname/domainname' of my server
>hardware.  I changed the email to ".com" and the URL_host
>to "lists..com" (the vhost.d config file server name) and
>left the NNTP_HOST the way it was.  Should I have left all settings at
>"fos..com" like mailman suggested?


No. DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST should be set for the
actual primary user visible web and email domains for your Mailman so
you did the right thing to change them.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From yahoo at jimpop.com  Sun Nov 25 01:24:44 2007
From: yahoo at jimpop.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:24:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError during Archive Obscuring
Message-ID: <1195950284.15501.19.camel@localhost>

I've seen a increase in use of Unicod'ed email address which fail
HyperArch email obscuring and thus cause the msg to be shunted and not
archived.  

Specifically the problem lies in the encoding (strangely the error says
"Decode") of the text ' at ' (as a substitute for "@")  for Russian
users of GMail.

Here is the error in full:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nov 22 04:42:31 2007 (755) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec
can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 1: ordinal not in range(128)
Nov 22 04:42:31 2007 (755) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, in
_oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, in
_onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 89, in
_dispose
    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 250, in
ArchiveMail
    h.processUnixMailbox(f)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 580, in
processUnixMailbox
    self.add_article(a)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 621, in
add_article
    filename))
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1275, in
write_article
    f.write(article.as_text())
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 579, in
as_text
    atmark = unicode(_(' at '), Utils.GetCharSet(self._lang))
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 1:
ordinal not in range(128)

Nov 22 04:42:31 2007 (755) SHUNTING: 1195717174.0985031
+6fdaf61658ca76ec5281e614be7b4b59d1e01bf6
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is a Mailman 2.1.9 system.

I did search the archives quite extensively, but I didn't find any cases
where Mailman was having trouble encoding the hard coded ' at ' into
unicode.  

Here is a sample (modified from original to protect the innocent) of the
message "From:" line:
     "=?ISO-8859-5?B?pyvY7zB08L6a0C==?=" 

Any ideas on what to try/test/do?

Thanks!

-Jim P.


From eric at brouhaha.com  Sun Nov 25 01:54:45 2007
From: eric at brouhaha.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:54:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reject oversize messages rather than hold for
	moderation?
Message-ID: <35517.68.123.46.187.1195952085.squirrel@ruckus.brouhaha.com>

Is there any easy way to get Mailman to reject oversize messages,
rather than holding them for moderation, or does anyone have a patch?
I'm really getting sick of dealing with those.

I spent a few minutes looking at whether I could hack it in myself.
I quickly found the code that makes the "hold" decision for oversized
messages, in Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py, but it wasn't obvious how to change
it to do a rejection rather than a hold.

The structure of Mailman seems confusing to me.  It appears that it is
organized in terms of making all of the "hold" decisions in one place,
and the "reject" decisions in another.  I'd have expected it to identify
the possible problems with a message, and allow list-admin-configurable
policy decisions to be made for each of those problems.  But perhaps the
current structure makes sense to those who have better knowledge of
Mailman internals.

Eric


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Nov 25 03:31:41 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:31:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reject oversize messages rather than hold
	formoderation?
In-Reply-To: <35517.68.123.46.187.1195952085.squirrel@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
Message-ID: 

Eric Smith wrote:

>Is there any easy way to get Mailman to reject oversize messages,
>rather than holding them for moderation, or does anyone have a patch?
>I'm really getting sick of dealing with those.
>
>I spent a few minutes looking at whether I could hack it in myself.
>I quickly found the code that makes the "hold" decision for oversized
>messages, in Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py, but it wasn't obvious how to change
>it to do a rejection rather than a hold.



OK. You found


        if bodylen/1024.0 > mlist.max_message_size:
            hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata,
                              MessageTooBig(bodylen,
mlist.max_message_size))


All you have to do is change it to


        if bodylen/1024.0 > mlist.max_message_size:
            rej_msg = 'Message too big: limit = %d KB' %
mlist.max_message_size
            raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej_msg


Watch out for wrapped lines in both of the above code fragments. Of
course, you can make rej_msg anything you want.


>The structure of Mailman seems confusing to me.  It appears that it is
>organized in terms of making all of the "hold" decisions in one place,
>and the "reject" decisions in another.  I'd have expected it to identify
>the possible problems with a message, and allow list-admin-configurable
>policy decisions to be made for each of those problems.  But perhaps the
>current structure makes sense to those who have better knowledge of
>Mailman internals.


Each incoming message is passed through a pipeline of handlers (defined
in Defaults.py as GLOBAL_PIPELINE). This continues until the pipeline
is exhausted or an exception is raised. To reject a message, raise
Errors.RejectMessage with an appropriate reject notice. To discard a
message, raise Errors.DiscardMessage, although if you want to honor
the list's forward_auto_discards setting, call Moderate.do_discard().

Holding is more complicated because of the various possible
notifications and other things that need to be done, so normally you
call Hold.hold_for_approval().

Descisions are distributed through various handlers because we want to
modularize the various functions like spam detection, membership tests
and miscellaneous holds, yet at least spam detection and membership
tests can hold, reject or discard a message based on list settings.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From eric at brouhaha.com  Sun Nov 25 04:09:01 2007
From: eric at brouhaha.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:09:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reject oversize messages rather than hold
 formoderation?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <35517.68.123.46.187.1195952085.squirrel@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
	
Message-ID: <54016.68.123.46.187.1195960141.squirrel@ruckus.brouhaha.com>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> All you have to do is change it to
>         if bodylen/1024.0 > mlist.max_message_size:
>             rej_msg = 'Message too big: limit = %d KB' %
> mlist.max_message_size
>             raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej_msg

That's great, tanks!!!

> Descisions are distributed through various handlers because we want to
> modularize the various functions like spam detection, membership tests

Still, I'd have expected the decisions for what to hold (policy) to be
separate from the code that actually implements the hold (mechanism).
For example, I might have expected to see a handler for message size.
Instead, it appears that the Hold handler has to think about all of
the reasons that a message might be held.

But like I said, this probably makes sense to all of you Mailman
maintainers, so I probably am just spouting BS.

Thanks for the help!
Eric


From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Sun Nov 25 05:07:27 2007
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:07:27 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError during Archive Obscuring
In-Reply-To: <1195950284.15501.19.camel@localhost>
References: <1195950284.15501.19.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <4748F4FF.3070001@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

> I've seen a increase in use of Unicod'ed email address which fail
> HyperArch email obscuring and thus cause the msg to be shunted and not
> archived.  
> 
> Specifically the problem lies in the encoding (strangely the error says
> "Decode") of the text ' at ' (as a substitute for "@")  for Russian
> users of GMail.
> 
> Here is the error in full:

>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 579, in
> as_text
>     atmark = unicode(_(' at '), Utils.GetCharSet(self._lang))
> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 1:
> ordinal not in range(128)
> 
> Nov 22 04:42:31 2007 (755) SHUNTING: 1195717174.0985031
> +6fdaf61658ca76ec5281e614be7b4b59d1e01bf6
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> This is a Mailman 2.1.9 system.
> 
> I did search the archives quite extensively, but I didn't find any cases
> where Mailman was having trouble encoding the hard coded ' at ' into
> unicode.  

It is not ' at ' itself but it's translation which caused this error.
It's strange though the language set immediately before should work for
its unicode conversion.
> 
> Any ideas on what to try/test/do?

How about this patch (sorry for the word wrap) for work around.

=== modified file 'Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py'
--- Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py       2007-11-21 05:21:24 +0000
+++ Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py       2007-11-25 03:59:07 +0000
@@ -412,7 +412,8 @@
                 otrans = i18n.get_translation()
                 try:
                     i18n.set_language(self._lang)
-                    atmark = unicode(_(' at '),
Utils.GetCharSet(self._lang))
+                    atmark = unicode(_(' at '),
Utils.GetCharSet(self._lang),
+                                     'replace')
                     subject = re.sub(r'([-+,.\w]+)@([-+.\w]+)',
                               '\g<1>' + atmark + '\g<2>', subject)
                 finally:
@@ -574,7 +575,7 @@
         if mm_cfg.ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS:
             otrans = i18n.get_translation()
             try:
-                atmark = unicode(_(' at '), cset)
+                atmark = unicode(_(' at '), cset, 'replace')
                 i18n.set_language(self._lang)
                 body = re.sub(r'([-+,.\w]+)@([-+.\w]+)',
                               '\g<1>' + atmark + '\g<2>', body)


-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Nov 25 09:59:38 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:59:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError during Archive Obscuring
In-Reply-To: <4748F4FF.3070001@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: 

Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
>
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 579, in
>> as_text
>>     atmark = unicode(_(' at '), Utils.GetCharSet(self._lang))
>> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 1:
>> ordinal not in range(128)

>
>It is not ' at ' itself but it's translation which caused this error.
>It's strange though the language set immediately before should work for
>its unicode conversion.


It's even stranger than that. the codec is 'ascii'. The only language
with a charset of 'ascii' is 'en' and if the language is 'en', where
does the '\xd0' come from?

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl  Sun Nov 25 14:23:36 2007
From: lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl (lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:23:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? accessing public archives
Message-ID: <20071125132517.2CEE420135B@duinheks.xs4all.nl>

Hallo Mark,

Op zaterdag 24 november 2007 schreef Mark Sapiro aan
lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4al:

 >> But when I try to connect to
 >> duinheks.xs4all.nl/pipermail/amc-support I get a "403:
 >> forbidden" error: Symbolic link not allowed or link target not
 >> accessible: /opt/mailman/archives/public/amc-support
 >> What else should I look at?

 MS> The information in the 'warning' box at
 MS> .

This link cannot be found :(
But I think I found what you mean :)

I now configured Mailman with
--prefix=/opt/mailman --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=www
and all seems to work.
A bit strange, because if I read the entry for --with-cgi-gid
correctly, www should be taken as default.

Another thing I don't understand is this: originally I configure
with
--prefix=/opt/mailman --with-mail-gid=bbs --with-cgi-gid=www
but then Mailman complained because the mail server (postfix) was
running with group mailman instead of bbs.
But postfix does not belong to group mailman...

Groeten,

           Hans.

jdh punt beekhuizen bij duinheks punt xs4all punt nl

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5/071030
 * Origin: MBSE Linux BBS. Made in the Netherlands (2:280/1018)

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Nov 25 18:32:14 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:32:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? accessing public archives
In-Reply-To: <20071125132517.2CEE420135B@duinheks.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: 

lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4all.nl wrote:
>
>Op zaterdag 24 november 2007 schreef Mark Sapiro aan
>lists.mailman-users at duinheks.xs4al:
>
> >> But when I try to connect to
> >> duinheks.xs4all.nl/pipermail/amc-support I get a "403:
> >> forbidden" error: Symbolic link not allowed or link target not
> >> accessible: /opt/mailman/archives/public/amc-support
> >> What else should I look at?
>
> MS> The information in the 'warning' box at
> MS> .
>
>This link cannot be found :(


It works for me, but there are mirrors at
 and
.

Also, since you are apparently installing from source, it is in the
source directory at admin/www/mailman-install/node9.html.


>But I think I found what you mean :)

>I now configured Mailman with
>--prefix=/opt/mailman --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=www
>and all seems to work.
>A bit strange, because if I read the entry for --with-cgi-gid
>correctly, www should be taken as default.


The warning box I refer to talks about the necessity for the web server
to have search (x) permission on the archives/private directory,
either by that directory being world searchable or owned by the web
server user. configure and make install will create this directory
world searchable (o+x) and owned by the user that ran make install
(normally root), but bin/check_perms will warn you about this. If you
then remove the world searchable (o-x) without changing the owner (but
not the group), then you can't access public archives.


>Another thing I don't understand is this: originally I configure
>with
>--prefix=/opt/mailman --with-mail-gid=bbs --with-cgi-gid=www
>but then Mailman complained because the mail server (postfix) was
>running with group mailman instead of bbs.
>But postfix does not belong to group mailman...


Postfix runs a pipe as the user that owns the aliases file in which the
pipe is found.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From zbigniew at szalbot.homedns.org  Sun Nov 25 18:41:51 2007
From: zbigniew at szalbot.homedns.org (zbigniew szalbot)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:41:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman errors
In-Reply-To: <4748052C.8070704@szalbot.homedns.org>
References: 
	<4748052C.8070704@szalbot.homedns.org>
Message-ID: <4749B3DF.8060607@szalbot.homedns.org>

Hi there again,

zbigniew szalbot pisze:
> Hello,
>
>
> > >I get a lot of below errors and worse some of the lists that have been 
> > >created no longer send out emails. Can you help me troubleshoot it?
> > >
> > >Thank you!
> > >
> > >Nov 23 15:06:12 2007 (70462) SHUNTING: 
> > >1195826769.306325+db3247f3fd9baf0ca519cd58e37b4c1875fc76b3
> > >Nov 23 15:06:32 2007 (70462) Uncaught runner exception: unsupported 
> > >operand type(s) for -=: 'str' and 'int'
> > >Nov 23 15:06:32 2007 (70462) Traceback (most recent call last):
> > >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, in _oneloop
> > >    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
> > >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, in _onefile
> > >    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> > >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 73, in 
> > >_dispose
> > >    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> > >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 159, in 
> > >process
> > >    deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn)
> > >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 345, in 
> > >verpdeliver
> > >    bulkdeliver(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata, envsender, failures, conn)
> > >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 369, in 
> > >bulkdeliver
> > >    refused = conn.sendmail(envsender, recips, msgtext)
> > >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 78, in 
> > >sendmail
> > >    self.__numsessions -= 1
> > >TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for -=: 'str' and 'int'
> >
> >
> > Have you set SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION in mm_cfg.py?
> >
> > In particular, have you set it to a string instead of a number?
> >
> > I.e., it needs to be something like
> >
> > SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 10
> >
> > (or whatever number you want) not
> >
> > SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = '10'
> >   
> The content of mm_cfg.py currently looks like this:
> OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.lc-words.com'
> SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
> VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.lc-words.com'
> SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = '25'
> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
>   
If any of you had any advice where to start looking for solution, I'd 
really appreciate. Thanks!

Zbigniew Szalbot

From daniel.herrmann1 at gmx.de  Sun Nov 25 18:56:29 2007
From: daniel.herrmann1 at gmx.de (Daniel Herrmann)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:56:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turning of monthly membership mails
Message-ID: <002901c82f8c$821859e0$86490da0$@herrmann1@gmx.de>

Hello List,

I have the following problem:

I installed Mailman about 3 or 4 month before and everything is working
well.

But now someone told me that he is receiving every month a mail, which
remembers him,
That he is in that Mailing List. How can I turn it off? I didn't find a
switch in the webinterface
And don't know where else to search.

The Point is, that I make the entrys, it is something like a newsletter for
the members of our
Sport club. They should not be confronted with all the technique behind this
system.

So, finally: How to turn off this mails?

Thanks so far

daniel


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Nov 25 19:04:05 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:04:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman errors
In-Reply-To: <4749B3DF.8060607@szalbot.homedns.org>
Message-ID: 

zbigniew szalbot wrote:

>zbigniew szalbot pisze:

>> >
>> > Have you set SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION in mm_cfg.py?
>> >
>> > In particular, have you set it to a string instead of a number?
>> >
>> > I.e., it needs to be something like
>> >
>> > SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 10
>> >
>> > (or whatever number you want) not
>> >
>> > SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = '10'
>> >   
>> The content of mm_cfg.py currently looks like this:
>> OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes
>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.lc-words.com'
>> SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
>> VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.lc-words.com'
>> SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = '25'
>> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>>
>>   
>If any of you had any advice where to start looking for solution, I'd 
>really appreciate. Thanks!


Look carefully at what I posted previously.

Your problem is

SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = '25'

The value must be an integer, not a string. Change it to

SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 25

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Nov 25 19:28:49 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:28:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turning of monthly membership mails
In-Reply-To: <002901c82f8c$821859e0$86490da0$@herrmann1@gmx.de>
Message-ID: 

Daniel Herrmann wrote:
>
>But now someone told me that he is receiving every month a mail, which
>remembers him,
>That he is in that Mailing List. How can I turn it off? I didn't find a
>switch in the webinterface
>And don't know where else to search.


In the web admin interface, set General Options->send_reminders to No.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rbraver at ohww.norman.ok.us  Sun Nov 25 19:30:08 2007
From: rbraver at ohww.norman.ok.us (Robert Braver)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:30:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turning of monthly membership mails
In-Reply-To: <002901c82f8c$821859e0$86490da0$@herrmann1@gmx.de>
References: <002901c82f8c$821859e0$86490da0$@herrmann1@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <1153214288.20071125123008@ohww.norman.ok.us>

On Sunday, November 25, 2007, 11:56:29 AM, Daniel Herrmann wrote:

DH> So, finally: How to turn off this mails?

Mailing List Administration, General Settings page, set "Send
monthly password reminders" to "No."


-- 
Best regards,
 Robert Braver
 rbraver at ohww.norman.ok.us


From daniel.herrmann1 at gmx.de  Sun Nov 25 19:40:10 2007
From: daniel.herrmann1 at gmx.de (Daniel Herrmann)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:40:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turning of monthly membership mails
In-Reply-To: 
References: <002901c82f8c$821859e0$86490da0$@herrmann1@gmx.de>
	
Message-ID: <002f01c82f92$9bfd0440$d3f70cc0$@herrmann1@gmx.de>

> Daniel Herrmann wrote:
> >
> >But now someone told me that he is receiving every month a mail, which
> >remembers him,
> >That he is in that Mailing List. How can I turn it off? I didn't find
> a
> >switch in the webinterface
> >And don't know where else to search.
> 
> 
> In the web admin interface, set General Options->send_reminders to No.
> 

Ok, thanks...

I didn't see it ...

Daniel
> --
> Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
> __________ NOD32 2684 (20071125) Information __________
> 
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> http://www.eset.com



From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Nov 25 22:08:50 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:08:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Daemon RunLevel Question
In-Reply-To: <47445D0D.7050502@jpdailey.com>
References: <47445D0D.7050502@jpdailey.com>
Message-ID: <4749E462.9050404@value.net>

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Jacques Dailey wrote:
> 
> I have Mailman configured on my SuSE 10.1 system, using the Postfix MTA 
> and ASSP (Anti Spam SMTP Proxy) on the front end.  So far everything is 
> running great!  Most recently, I started looking at how/when the 
> individual apps started up and shut down, as I've had a couple of 
> unplanned bounces that shut down email for a bit.  ASSP is now 
> configured to start at runlevel 5, right after Postfix.
> 
> My question: I see a startup/shutdown script for Mailman in rc.d, but it 
> doesn't seem to be linked to any particular runlevel (running Mailman 
> 2.1).  How/where is the Mailmanctl daemon launched, and what are the 
> dependencies?  I'm assuming the MTA and ASSP should be up and running 
> first, along with Apache.  Correct?


These are really SuSE packaging questions, but here's some general
information.

Mailman doesn't care. The Mailman web interface does not require Mailman
 (mailmanctl and the qrunners) to be running. It doesn't matter if
Mailman starts before or after Apache.

The incoming MTA can queue messages for Mailman whether or not Mailman
is running. It makes no difference to the incoming MTA.

The only thing that makes a difference is if there are queued messages
when Mailman starts, Mailman will attempt to deliver them (or notices
about them) to the outgoing MTA. It is not a problem if the outgoing MTA
is not running; Mailman will retry, but in order to avoid various
'failure' log messages and the associated retries, it is good to start
the outgoing MTA before Mailman.

- --
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From stephen at xemacs.org  Mon Nov 26 00:21:00 2007
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:21:00 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError during Archive Obscuring
In-Reply-To: 
References: <4748F4FF.3070001@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	
Message-ID: <87k5o5hpyb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Mark Sapiro writes:
 > Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
 > >
 > >>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 579, in
 > >> as_text
 > >>     atmark = unicode(_(' at '), Utils.GetCharSet(self._lang))
 > >> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 1:
 > >> ordinal not in range(128)
 > 
 > >
 > >It is not ' at ' itself but it's translation which caused this error.
 > >It's strange though the language set immediately before should work for
 > >its unicode conversion.
 > 
 > 
 > It's even stranger than that. the codec is 'ascii'. The only language
 > with a charset of 'ascii' is 'en' and if the language is 'en', where
 > does the '\xd0' come from?

Almost certainly, the language is not 'en', the language is 'unknown'.
The last time there was a spate of these problems, I took a quick look
at the code.  It appears to me that the Email module takes the MIME
spec seriously, and applies the defaults to that case, ie, language =
'en' and charset = 'us-ascii'.  IOW, it tests that headers are ASCII
by decoding them as ASCII.  Boom!  Since there's no try specific to
that attempt, you end up with the default catchall try.

I didn't have enough time to really understand what was going on, so
this is really a wild-ass guess.  Hope it helps, anyway.

Happy Thanksgiving (and roudou-kansha-hi)!


From marc at perkel.com  Mon Nov 26 01:52:02 2007
From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:52:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration problem - virtual domains URL
Message-ID: <474A18B2.5070002@perkel.com>

I'm trying to figure out how to do a slightly unusual configuration. 
Normally mailman wants to use URLs like http://www.domain.com/mailman . 
But what I want to do is have url's that look like 
http://mailman.domain.com.

So - in my config file I have:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'ctyme.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'ctyme.com'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://mailman.%s/'

Seems to work for managing the list but when I try to use /create or 
/listinfo instead of http://mailman.ctyme.com I get 
http://mailman.mailman.ctyme.com

What I don't understand is why the double mailman and how do I fix it?

Thanks in advance.


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Nov 26 02:55:32 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:55:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration problem - virtual domains URL
In-Reply-To: <474A18B2.5070002@perkel.com>
Message-ID: 

Marc Perkel wrote:

>I'm trying to figure out how to do a slightly unusual configuration. 
>Normally mailman wants to use URLs like http://www.domain.com/mailman . 
>But what I want to do is have url's that look like 
>http://mailman.domain.com.
>
>So - in my config file I have:
>
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'ctyme.com'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'ctyme.com'
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://mailman.%s/'
>
>Seems to work for managing the list but when I try to use /create or 
>/listinfo instead of http://mailman.ctyme.com I get 
>http://mailman.mailman.ctyme.com
>
>What I don't understand is why the double mailman and how do I fix it?


It is somewhat complicated, but the bottom line is it will work the way
you expect if you set

VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off

in mm_cfg.py.

In a Mailman virtual host environment (the default), the host name that
is plugged into DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN is in some cases obtained from the
host portion of the URL that invoked the CGI. This clearly doesn't
work if DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN has more than just %s in the host portion.

If VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off, the host name used is DEFAULT_URL_HOST.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From marc at perkel.com  Mon Nov 26 03:12:37 2007
From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:12:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration problem - virtual domains URL
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <474A2B95.1010506@perkel.com>



Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Marc Perkel wrote:
>
>   
>> I'm trying to figure out how to do a slightly unusual configuration. 
>> Normally mailman wants to use URLs like http://www.domain.com/mailman . 
>> But what I want to do is have url's that look like 
>> http://mailman.domain.com.
>>
>> So - in my config file I have:
>>
>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'ctyme.com'
>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'ctyme.com'
>> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://mailman.%s/'
>>
>> Seems to work for managing the list but when I try to use /create or 
>> /listinfo instead of http://mailman.ctyme.com I get 
>> http://mailman.mailman.ctyme.com
>>
>> What I don't understand is why the double mailman and how do I fix it?
>>     
>
>
> It is somewhat complicated, but the bottom line is it will work the way
> you expect if you set
>
> VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off
>
> in mm_cfg.py.
>
> In a Mailman virtual host environment (the default), the host name that
> is plugged into DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN is in some cases obtained from the
> host portion of the URL that invoked the CGI. This clearly doesn't
> work if DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN has more than just %s in the host portion.
>
> If VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off, the host name used is DEFAULT_URL_HOST.
>
>   
Thanks - that gets me a lot closer. listinfo works now. Create is 
broken, but it's not as broken as it was. It used to go to an invalid 
url. Now it just doesn't work. But I'll look into that. Thanks for your 
help.


From zbigniew at szalbot.homedns.org  Mon Nov 26 07:29:07 2007
From: zbigniew at szalbot.homedns.org (zbigniew szalbot)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:29:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman errors
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <474A67B3.4010306@szalbot.homedns.org>

Dear Marc,

Mark Sapiro pisze:
> zbigniew szalbot wrote:
>
> >zbigniew szalbot pisze:
> 
> >> >
> >> > Have you set SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION in mm_cfg.py?
> >> >
> >> > In particular, have you set it to a string instead of a number?
> >> >
> >> > I.e., it needs to be something like
> >> >
> >> > SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 10
> >> >
> >> > (or whatever number you want) not
> >> >
> >> > SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = '10'
> >> >   
> >> The content of mm_cfg.py currently looks like this:
> >> OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes
> >> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.lc-words.com'
> >> SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
> >> VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
> >> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.lc-words.com'
> >> SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = '25'
> >> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
> >> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> >>
> >>   
> >If any of you had any advice where to start looking for solution, I'd 
> >really appreciate. Thanks!
>
>
> Look carefully at what I posted previously.
>
> Your problem is
>
> SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = '25'
>
> The value must be an integer, not a string. Change it to
>
> SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 25
>   
Ah - since I am not a programmer, I did not realize that a string within 
'' is treated differently from a string without them.

Thank you for your help and for mailman. It works very well now!

Zbigniew Szalbot

From outime at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 13:33:09 2007
From: outime at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rub=E9n_C._D=EDaz_Alonso_"outime"?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:33:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Saving a copy of a ML
Message-ID: 

I'd like to remove one of the mailing list created several months ago
in mailman.

That mailing list have some documentation about some projects, and I
think that is not a good idea to delete it without saving a copy for
use it in a future.

How can I done this?

Thanks!
-- 
Rub?n C. D?az Alonso "outime"
http://120linux.com (blog)
GPG 2354DA5F

From ivanlan at pauahtun.org  Mon Nov 26 15:07:26 2007
From: ivanlan at pauahtun.org (Ivan Van Laningham)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:07:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restoring lists on newer version
Message-ID: <474AD31E.5080608@pauahtun.org>

Hi All--
My server suffered a catastrophic hard drive failure.  I have backups 
(unfortunately, two weeks old, but that's better than nothing), but when 
the server was restored I was forced to upgrade to Fedora 6 (from 4) and 
to Mailman 2.1.9, where it used to be 2.1.5 (I think).

I also have Plesk, through which I make new lists; once the lists are 
made, their administration is exactly like a normal Mailman 
installation, except for the locations, which I know.  List aliases are 
made by Plesk.

What's the best procedure to restore my lists?  I've got a dozen, but 
only three have significant traffic.  Do I copy the backups to the 
proper location and then make the lists with Plesk, or do I make the 
lists first and then copy the data in?

I also have significant customization of the admin and info pages; can I 
rescue that without too much trouble?  Or do I have to transfer all the 
custom modifications by hand?  (It's all appearance, by the way; nothing 
affects Mailman operation in any way.)

Thanks very much for any advice at all.

Metta,
Ivan
-- 
Ivan Van Laningham
God N Locomotive Works
http://www.pauahtun.org/
http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/laningham/laningham.html
Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Nov 26 18:07:55 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:07:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restoring lists on newer version
In-Reply-To: <474AD31E.5080608@pauahtun.org>
Message-ID: 

Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
>
>What's the best procedure to restore my lists?  I've got a dozen, but 
>only three have significant traffic.  Do I copy the backups to the 
>proper location and then make the lists with Plesk, or do I make the 
>lists first and then copy the data in?


Neither. You just copy the lists// and
archives/private/*/ directories to the proper locations. If
there are held messages, you can copy the data/heldmsg* files too, but
may not want those.

After copying those things, the lists and archives will be functional
in the web interface. If the MTA uses aliases automatically created by
Mailman as with Postfix, run bin/genaliases after copying which will
regenerate aliases including those for the copied lists. If the MTA
uses some kind of programatic routing for Mailman as with Exim,
nothing is required.

If Plesk makes aliases in some other way, You may have to do them
manually.


>I also have significant customization of the admin and info pages; can I 
>rescue that without too much trouble?  Or do I have to transfer all the 
>custom modifications by hand?  (It's all appearance, by the way; nothing 
>affects Mailman operation in any way.)


Do you mean customization of templates or actual modifications to the
code in admin.py (or the Mailman/Gui/ modules) and listinfo.py.

If you've modified templates per list, the lists///
directory has already been copied per the above copy of
lists//, so that is done. If you've modified templates per
host or the site, just copy the templates///
and/or templates/site// directories.

If you modified templates in templates//, that is not good.
Copy the modified templates to templates/site//. See


If you've modified admin.py, the Gui/ modules, and/or listinfo.py,
ideally you kept a patch (diff) of your modifications (or you kept the
unmodified versions and can make a diff now), and you can apply that
to the new code. If you didn't do that, and all you have is modified
code, you could download the base 2.1.5 modules from

and either diff those against the Plesk 2.1.9 modules to make a patch
for your modules or diff your modules against the 2.1.5 base to make a
patch for the Plesk modules.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From gilmore.126 at osu.edu  Mon Nov 26 20:58:15 2007
From: gilmore.126 at osu.edu (Melinda Gilmore)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:58:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password addon
Message-ID: <019401c83066$aeb53dd0$6bf39280@oitlan.oit.ohiostate.edu>

Does anyone know of a mailman addon that will disable user passwords.   Does
anyone know if this issues was resolved in 2.1  Can anyone just explain the
new password for users and administrators.  I am looking on the website, but
could use a knowledgeable persons explanation.
 
Thanks

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Nov 26 21:52:58 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:52:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password addon
In-Reply-To: <019401c83066$aeb53dd0$6bf39280@oitlan.oit.ohiostate.edu>
Message-ID: 

Melinda Gilmore wrote:

>Does anyone know of a mailman addon that will disable user passwords.


Disable in what sense? In the sense of allowing anyone to change a
user's options or visit private archives without any form of
authentication, or with some authentication method other than a
password? If that's what you mean, then I'm not aware of anything.

If you just mean not telling users about the password and not sending
reminders, you can set a list to not send reminders (General
Options->send_reminders), and you can edit the list welcome message
and listinfo templates to remove the password references.


>Does
>anyone know if this issues was resolved in 2.1


I don't understand what 'resolution' you're looking for.


>Can anyone just explain the
>new password for users and administrators.  I am looking on the website, but
>could use a knowledgeable persons explanation.


Have you seen ? 

If you are asking why there is a password, the password is required to
authenticate the user before allowing the user to change her
subscription options via web or email, obtain a private roster
available to list members via web or email or view private archives.

If the user doesn't want to do any of these things, she doesn't need to
know a password.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ivanlan at pauahtun.org  Mon Nov 26 21:54:17 2007
From: ivanlan at pauahtun.org (Ivan Van Laningham)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:54:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restoring lists on newer version
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <474B3279.1080107@pauahtun.org>

Hi All--
(Comments interpolated; new question at end.)

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
>> What's the best procedure to restore my lists?  I've got a dozen, but 
>> only three have significant traffic.  Do I copy the backups to the 
>> proper location and then make the lists with Plesk, or do I make the 
>> lists first and then copy the data in?
> 
> 
> Neither. You just copy the lists// and
> archives/private/*/ directories to the proper locations. If
> there are held messages, you can copy the data/heldmsg* files too, but
> may not want those.
> 

Worked like a charm.


> After copying those things, the lists and archives will be functional
> in the web interface. If the MTA uses aliases automatically created by
> Mailman as with Postfix, run bin/genaliases after copying which will
> regenerate aliases including those for the copied lists. If the MTA
> uses some kind of programatic routing for Mailman as with Exim,
> nothing is required.
> 
> If Plesk makes aliases in some other way, You may have to do them
> manually.
> 

I found a script in the mailman docs, which I modifed to make it useful 
for Plesk.  I give it here to help other users:

#!/bin/sh
if [ $# = 1 ]; then
     i=$1
     echo Making links to $i in the current directory...
     echo "|/var/qmail/bin/preline /var/qmail/bin/mm_wrapper 
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post $i" > .qmail-$i
     echo "|/var/qmail/bin/preline /var/qmail/bin/mm_wrapper 
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin $i" > .qmail-$i-admin
     echo "|/var/qmail/bin/preline /var/qmail/bin/mm_wrapper 
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i" > .qmail-$i-bounces
     # The following line is for VERP
     # echo "|/var/qmail/bin/preline /var/qmail/bin/mm_wrapper 
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i" > .qmail-$i-bounces-default
     echo "|/var/qmail/bin/preline /var/qmail/bin/mm_wrapper 
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm $i" > .qmail-$i-confirm
     echo "|/var/qmail/bin/preline /var/qmail/bin/mm_wrapper 
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join $i" > .qmail-$i-join
     echo "|/var/qmail/bin/preline /var/qmail/bin/mm_wrapper 
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave $i" > .qmail-$i-leave
     echo "|/var/qmail/bin/preline /var/qmail/bin/mm_wrapper 
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner $i" > .qmail-$i-owner
     echo "|/var/qmail/bin/preline /var/qmail/bin/mm_wrapper 
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request $i" > .qmail-$i-request
     echo "|/var/qmail/bin/preline /var/qmail/bin/mm_wrapper 
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe $i" > .qmail-$i-subscribe
     echo "|/var/qmail/bin/preline /var/qmail/bin/mm_wrapper 
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe $i" > .qmail-$i-unsubscribe
fi
#===end==============

There should be no returns after mm_wrapper.  You need to be in your 
qmail alias directory for this to work.  For example, to create the 
aliases on pumperdink.org for a list named 'test', I would go to

/var/qmail/mailnames/pumperdink.org

and run 'mkal.sh test'

ls -a will show the proper alias files.



> 
>> I also have significant customization of the admin and info pages; can I 
>> rescue that without too much trouble?  Or do I have to transfer all the 
>> custom modifications by hand?  (It's all appearance, by the way; nothing 
>> affects Mailman operation in any way.)
> 
> 
> Do you mean customization of templates or actual modifications to the
> code in admin.py (or the Mailman/Gui/ modules) and listinfo.py.
> 
> If you've modified templates per list, the lists///
> directory has already been copied per the above copy of
> lists//, so that is done. If you've modified templates per
> host or the site, just copy the templates///
> and/or templates/site// directories.
> 
> If you modified templates in templates//, that is not good.
> Copy the modified templates to templates/site//. See
> 
> 
> If you've modified admin.py, the Gui/ modules, and/or listinfo.py,
> ideally you kept a patch (diff) of your modifications (or you kept the
> unmodified versions and can make a diff now), and you can apply that
> to the new code. If you didn't do that, and all you have is modified
> code, you could download the base 2.1.5 modules from
> 
> and either diff those against the Plesk 2.1.9 modules to make a patch
> for your modules or diff your modules against the 2.1.5 base to make a
> patch for the Plesk modules.
> 


It turned out that my old installation was 2.1.8, so running diffs on 
various directories was relatively painless.  I did modify the templates 
under the en directory only; again, diffs were easy.  Most of my mods 
are simply to add a meta tag to pick up a style sheet.

The only tricky part was that lists on a system administered by Plesk 
are all treated as if they're on a host named lists.  For example,

http://lists.pumperdink.org/mailman/admin/test/

So you either have to add the lists. CNAME record to your 
DNS records, or create a dummy list through the control panel.  If you 
create one list called 'test', then subsequent attempts to create the 
same listname on other virtual hosts fail, but the CNAME record is still 
added.

The disadvantage is that the lists don't show up on the Plesk control 
panel, only the newly created dummy lists.  Since you don't really do 
anything in Plesk except create the lists, this is not, to me, a big 
deal.  Once they're restored, the aliases are in place, and the 
list. entry is in DNS, you can admin the lists in the standard 
Mailman way.

Thanks once again, Mark, for absolutely outstanding advice.  Kudoes.

QMAIL QUESTION, not Mailman:
Now my big problem is that my qmail is configured with default, very 
conservative, settings.  When I initially set the server up back in 
March, I ran across a page on the net showing how to increase the limits 
and queue sizes (?) to speed up qmail.  I failed to write that site 
down, and naturally can't find it again.

If anyone can help either track the site down, or fill me in on the 
settings, to improve performance, I would greatly appreciate it.  I 
apologize for the off-topic nature of the problem, but this list has 
always been of the greatest help, and if there are any others out there 
running Mailman on Plesk, the answers might help them too.

Metta,
Ivan
-- 
Ivan Van Laningham
God N Locomotive Works
http://www.pauahtun.org/
http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/laningham/laningham.html
Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours


From gilmore.126 at osu.edu  Mon Nov 26 22:05:19 2007
From: gilmore.126 at osu.edu (Melinda Gilmore)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:05:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password addon
In-Reply-To: 
References: <019401c83066$aeb53dd0$6bf39280@oitlan.oit.ohiostate.edu>
	
Message-ID: <019901c83070$0d739c50$6bf39280@oitlan.oit.ohiostate.edu>

 I am sorry I was not very clear.    One of our issues is the password
needed for user to unsubscribe.  It will be a big change at this time from
what we are using (Listproc).   Someone seems to think there is some addon
that will disable this?  

The other issue is that we are used to being able to look at the config file
and see the password. The complication is that multiple list owners share a
single administrator password --so if one owner forgets the passwored, if we
can't look it up for them, then a reset would cause every other owner on the
list to NOT know the current password.  


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:53 PM
To: Melinda Gilmore; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Password addon

Melinda Gilmore wrote:

>Does anyone know of a mailman addon that will disable user passwords.


Disable in what sense? In the sense of allowing anyone to change a user's
options or visit private archives without any form of authentication, or
with some authentication method other than a password? If that's what you
mean, then I'm not aware of anything.

If you just mean not telling users about the password and not sending
reminders, you can set a list to not send reminders (General
Options->send_reminders), and you can edit the list welcome message
and listinfo templates to remove the password references.


>Does
>anyone know if this issues was resolved in 2.1


I don't understand what 'resolution' you're looking for.


>Can anyone just explain the
>new password for users and administrators.  I am looking on the 
>website, but could use a knowledgeable persons explanation.


Have you seen ? 

If you are asking why there is a password, the password is required to
authenticate the user before allowing the user to change her subscription
options via web or email, obtain a private roster available to list members
via web or email or view private archives.

If the user doesn't want to do any of these things, she doesn't need to know
a password.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



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From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Nov 26 23:29:53 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:29:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Saving a copy of a ML
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Rub?n C. D?az Alonso \"outime\" wrote:

>I'd like to remove one of the mailing list created several months ago
>in mailman.
>
>That mailing list have some documentation about some projects, and I
>think that is not a good idea to delete it without saving a copy for
>use it in a future.


What do you want to save? If you only want to save the archives,
running 'bin/rmlist ' without the -a option will remove the
list but not the archives. The web rmlist also has the option to
remove or not remove the archives (see
).

If you want the archives to be accessible from the web, it's a good
idea to make sure they are set to 'public' before removing the list
since without the list, private archive access can only be
authenticated with the site password.

If you want to save more than the archives, the above FAQ link will
give some information.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From Hans.Reil at Campus-D.de  Tue Nov 27 02:56:18 2007
From: Hans.Reil at Campus-D.de (Hans Reil)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:56:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Template with Mailman?
Message-ID: <474B7942.2080908@Campus-D.de>

Hi,

can I make a template for one or all my lists?

You know with company logo and nice background. So the emails oft the 
lists gets a nice coporate style.

Thanks for you help.

Hans

From cpz at tuunq.com  Tue Nov 27 03:29:17 2007
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:29:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Template with Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <474B7942.2080908@Campus-D.de> from Hans Reil at "Nov 26,
	2007 08:56:18 pm"
Message-ID: <20071127022917.CA6367AF@mail.tuunq.com>

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Hans Reil wrote:
> can I make a template for one or all my lists?

You do it with your mail program, not with mailman.

> You know with company logo and nice background. So the emails oft the 
> lists gets a nice coporate style.

Some/many people would consider that to be intrusive, and to convey no useful
information. This is especially true if the emails are being sent to a
wide varieties of users and mail programs.

z!


From editor at rin.org.uk  Tue Nov 27 11:32:42 2007
From: editor at rin.org.uk (Tony Fyler)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:32:42 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for an experienced installer
Message-ID: 

Hi folks,
My name's Tony, and I'm the editor at the Royal Institute of Navigation here
in London. We used to run a couple of listservs for specific groups of our
members, but recently changed both our website and mail server, making these
listservs defunct. It turns out that our new mail server package comes with
Mailman as a 3rd party application. Neither our web developers, nor our mail
server hosts, are able to install Mailman for us, though as none of us in
the Institute are developers ourselves, we're advised to get someone to
install it for us. I mailed Barry Warsaw and he gave me the list address.
I've read the FAQs, but as my query is essentially a plea for help, thought
I'd go ahead and post it anyway.

I'm just looking for anyone with experience of installing Mailman to get in
touch with me to discuss the possibility of this job.

Cheers

Tony




From Pam at McKennaMgt.com  Tue Nov 27 16:10:15 2007
From: Pam at McKennaMgt.com (Pam McKenna)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:10:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailing List Disappeared
Message-ID: <474C3357.1080904@McKennaMgt.com>

Our Mailing List, list.nesae.org, has disappeared - Mailman says no such 
list exists, our sign in info. isn't working.  Anyone know what caused 
this?  How do i get it back?

thank you.

Pam


From mangoo at wpkg.org  Tue Nov 27 16:23:42 2007
From: mangoo at wpkg.org (Tomasz Chmielewski)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:23:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailing List Disappeared
In-Reply-To: <474C3357.1080904@McKennaMgt.com>
References: <474C3357.1080904@McKennaMgt.com>
Message-ID: <474C367E.9080002@wpkg.org>

Pam McKenna schrieb:
> Our Mailing List, list.nesae.org, has disappeared - Mailman says no such 
> list exists, our sign in info. isn't working.  Anyone know what caused 
> this?  How do i get it back?

Contact nesae.org administrator and ask him if he/she changed anything 
with virtual host configuration?


-- 
Tomasz Chmielewski
http://wpkg.org


From atann at gmx.net  Tue Nov 27 16:42:26 2007
From: atann at gmx.net (Andre Tann)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:42:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not like german umlaute
Message-ID: <200711271642.26751@inter.netz>

Hello everyone,

I'm running a 

# rpm -q mailman
mailman-2.1.6-4.2

on a 

# cat /etc/SuSE-release
SUSE LINUX 10.0 (i586) OSS
VERSION = 10.0

machine. Now everything works fine, except one thing: sending a mail 
with a german umlaut in the subject line looks sometimes normal, 
but sometimes it looks like this:

	Jemand erh??lt Zuschlag f??r Einkauf

The sender is an Entourage on a Mac OS X. If the Mac-User sends his 
mail to me and in copy to the mailman list, then the mail sent 
directly to me looks OK, and the one running through mailman looks 
garbled.

Where is the problem?

-- 
Andre Tann


From brad at python.org  Tue Nov 27 19:45:42 2007
From: brad at python.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:45:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for an experienced installer
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

On 11/27/07, Tony Fyler wrote:

>  I'm just looking for anyone with experience of installing Mailman to get in
>  touch with me to discuss the possibility of this job.

I'll be glad to talk to you about what's required, but I'm not 
currently in a position to help with the actual installation and 
ongoing monitoring & management.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
Member of the Python.org Postmaster Team
Co-moderator of mailman-users and mailman-developers mailing lists

From adamsca at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 21:35:40 2007
From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:35:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question about invitation confirmation
	subject line/VERP
Message-ID: <27572d930711271235y69a782edq838b0bfeb01de684@mail.gmail.com>

I have read the FAQ about modifying the mm_cfg.py file to create a
more "user friendly" subject for confirmations. I implemented this
with my Mailman/Postfix setup. I mainly wanted it for Invitation
confirmations, but I understand that for newer versions of Mailman, it
works for other confirmations as well.

One question- Since the subject line is changed and replaces the
confirmation ID code with other text, does that mean that simple
replying to the message to confirmm will no work? I have tested this
and found that I can confirm by clicking on the link and going to the
web page or by composing a new message with the confirm code in the
body, sent to the list-request address.

By default, Postfix allows VERP to rewrite the subject, but is other
configuration necessary to make the Reply to the confirmation message
work, or is that feature lost when VERPing?

-- 
Christopher Adams
adamsca at gmail.com

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Nov 27 22:17:11 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:17:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not like german umlaute
In-Reply-To: <200711271642.26751@inter.netz>
Message-ID: 

Andre Tann wrote:
>
>machine. Now everything works fine, except one thing: sending a mail 
>with a german umlaut in the subject line looks sometimes normal, 
>but sometimes it looks like this:
>
>	Jemand erh????lt Zuschlag f????r Einkauf
>
>The sender is an Entourage on a Mac OS X. If the Mac-User sends his 
>mail to me and in copy to the mailman list, then the mail sent 
>directly to me looks OK, and the one running through mailman looks 
>garbled.


It looks like something is encoding the characters as utf-8 and then
the utf-8 characters are not being identified/rendered properly.

What does the raw subject header look like in the mail that comes to
you directly? Is it RFC 2047 encoded
, or is it just a raw subject
with non-ascii characters encoded in some non-specified character set.

Also, what is the list's preferred language?

The only issue of which I am aware in current mailman is that non-RFC
2047 encoded 8-bit characters in the subject will cause the addition
of subject_prefix to be skipped.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Nov 27 22:35:06 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:35:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question about invitation
	confirmationsubject line/VERP
In-Reply-To: <27572d930711271235y69a782edq838b0bfeb01de684@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Christopher Adams wrote:
>
>One question- Since the subject line is changed and replaces the
>confirmation ID code with other text, does that mean that simple
>replying to the message to confirmm will no work?


It will still work if your incoming MTA recognizes addresses of the form

   listname-confirm+xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx at example.com

as an address to be delivered to listname-confirm at example.com.


>I have tested this
>and found that I can confirm by clicking on the link and going to the
>web page or by composing a new message with the confirm code in the
>body, sent to the list-request address.


The confirmation message the user receives is From: an address like the
one above. Simply replying to that message (i.e.sending the reply to
listname-confirm+xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx at example.com) will work if
the MTA delivers it to mailman properly.


>By default, Postfix allows VERP to rewrite the subject, but is other
>configuration necessary to make the Reply to the confirmation message
>work, or is that feature lost when VERPing?


In Postfix, you need

recipient_delimiter = +

for this to work. VERP should not affect this as it manipulates the
envelope sender, not the From: header.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Nov 27 22:47:00 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:47:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailing List Disappeared
In-Reply-To: <474C3357.1080904@McKennaMgt.com>
Message-ID: 

Pam McKenna wrote:

>Our Mailing List, list.nesae.org, has disappeared - Mailman says no such 
>list exists, our sign in info. isn't working.  Anyone know what caused 
>this?  How do i get it back?


That is not a list, it is a host name. I'm not sure what the issue is,
but I can go to  and get the
Mailman listinfo page. It says "There currently are no
publicly-advertised Mailman mailing lists on list.nesae.org." This may
mean there are no lists, or it may mean that your list isn't
advertised. What happens if you go to
 where list_name is
the name of your list?

If that used to work and now doesn't, then your list has been removed,
and the only people that can help you are the people that administer
Mailman on the server that hosts this domain.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From adamsca at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 22:50:58 2007
From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:50:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question about invitation
	confirmationsubject line/VERP
In-Reply-To: 
References: <27572d930711271235y69a782edq838b0bfeb01de684@mail.gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <27572d930711271350t37fe71b5n830a9e442ecaf8a7@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for clarifying that. I assumed from the Postfix/VERP
configuration documentation (below) that the '+' delimiter would be
used regardless of entering it in the Postfix main.cf file. I should
tried adding it anyway, but I hadn't gotten to that step yet.  Thanks,
it works as it should.

Quoted from documentation:

With Postfix, the whole process is controlled by four configuration parameters.

default_verp_delimiters (default value: +=)

On Nov 27, 2007 1:35 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> Christopher Adams wrote:
> >
> >One question- Since the subject line is changed and replaces the
> >confirmation ID code with other text, does that mean that simple
> >replying to the message to confirmm will no work?
>
>
> It will still work if your incoming MTA recognizes addresses of the form
>
>    listname-confirm+xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx at example.com
>
> as an address to be delivered to listname-confirm at example.com.
>
>
> >I have tested this
> >and found that I can confirm by clicking on the link and going to the
> >web page or by composing a new message with the confirm code in the
> >body, sent to the list-request address.
>
>
> The confirmation message the user receives is From: an address like the
> one above. Simply replying to that message (i.e.sending the reply to
> listname-confirm+xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx at example.com) will work if
> the MTA delivers it to mailman properly.
>
>
> >By default, Postfix allows VERP to rewrite the subject, but is other
> >configuration necessary to make the Reply to the confirmation message
> >work, or is that feature lost when VERPing?
>
>
> In Postfix, you need
>
> recipient_delimiter = +
>
> for this to work. VERP should not affect this as it manipulates the
> envelope sender, not the From: header.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>



-- 
Christopher Adams
adamsca at gmail.com

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Nov 27 23:23:43 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:23:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question about
	invitationconfirmationsubject line/VERP
In-Reply-To: <27572d930711271350t37fe71b5n830a9e442ecaf8a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Christopher Adams wrote:

>Thank you for clarifying that. I assumed from the Postfix/VERP
>configuration documentation (below) that the '+' delimiter would be
>used regardless of entering it in the Postfix main.cf file. I should
>tried adding it anyway, but I hadn't gotten to that step yet.  Thanks,
>it works as it should.
>
>Quoted from documentation:
>
>With Postfix, the whole process is controlled by four configuration parameters.
>
>default_verp_delimiters (default value: +=)


Yes, one would think that, but you do need to set

recipient_delimiter = +

in main.cf, even though the Postfix document doesn't get to that until
much later.

BTW, the Postfix/VERP configuration referred to in the Postfix
documentation is true VERP done by the MTA. What Mailman calls VERP is
similar, but it is done by Mailman by manipulating envelope senders
before delivering to the MTA and is more expensive because it requires
Mailman to send each recipient in a separate SMTP transaction. And,
what Mailman calls VERP_CONFIRMATIONS is a misnomer and isn't really
VERP or VERP-like at all.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com  Wed Nov 28 00:36:49 2007
From: CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com (Charles Marcus)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:36:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question about
 invitationconfirmationsubject line/VERP
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <474CAA11.6060506@Media-Brokers.com>

On 11/27/2007, Mark Sapiro (mark at msapiro.net) wrote:
> Yes, one would think that, but you do need to set
> 
> recipient_delimiter = +
> 
> in main.cf, even though the Postfix document doesn't get to that until
> much later.

No, you don't - this is the default... you only need to explicitly set 
it if you want to change it.

-- 

Best regards,

Charles

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Nov 28 00:50:35 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:50:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question
	aboutinvitationconfirmationsubject line/VERP
In-Reply-To: <474CAA11.6060506@Media-Brokers.com>
Message-ID: 

Charles Marcus wrote:

>On 11/27/2007, Mark Sapiro (mark at msapiro.net) wrote:
>> Yes, one would think that, but you do need to set
>> 
>> recipient_delimiter = +
>> 
>> in main.cf, even though the Postfix document doesn't get to that until
>> much later.
>
>No, you don't - this is the default... you only need to explicitly set 
>it if you want to change it.


Quoting from , aka 'man 5
postconf'

  recipient_delimiter (default: empty)

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com  Wed Nov 28 01:08:46 2007
From: CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com (Charles Marcus)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:08:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question about invitation confirmation
 subject line/VERP
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <474CB18E.2090001@Media-Brokers.com>

On 11/27/2007, Mark Sapiro (mark at msapiro.net) wrote:
>> On 11/27/2007, Mark Sapiro (mark at msapiro.net) wrote:
>>> Yes, one would think that, but you do need to set
>>> 
>>> recipient_delimiter = +
>>> 
>>> in main.cf, even though the Postfix document doesn't get to 
>>> that until much later.

>> No, you don't - this is the default... you only need to explicitly 
>> set it if you want to change it.

> Quoting from , aka 'man 5
> postconf'
> 
>   recipient_delimiter (default: empty)

Odd... in the default main.cf that was installed on my box, it was 
already set to + but commented out - which, for postfix, means it is the 
default... and I was almost positive that I recall someone on the 
postfix telling me this explicitly, but...

I see that a postconf -d shows you to be correct...

Apologies for the noise...

-- 

Best regards,

Charles

From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Nov 28 01:19:00 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:19:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question about invitation confirmation
 subject line/VERP
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

On 11/27/07, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>  Quoting from , aka 'man 5
>  postconf'
>
>   recipient_delimiter (default: empty)

That man page may or may not describe the current state of affairs, 
and of course even if it does then you might be dealing with an older 
installation that may not implement the same default status.

If you want to find out what your current postfix defaults are, you 
use the command "postconf -d".  If you want to see what you've got 
configured that is different from the built-in defaults, use the 
command "postconf -n".  A plain "postconf" will tell you what is 
configured, but you won't know whether that setting comes from the 
default or is being over-ridden by the configuration file.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From adamsca at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 01:56:58 2007
From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:56:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question about invitation confirmation
	subject line/VERP
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: <27572d930711271656y13543ba4j469afe0a98164d89@mail.gmail.com>

Geez, now I don't know who to listen to. :>). Anyway, my assumption
was wrong and I based it on the invitation confirmation not completely
working. Now it does and I thank you both.

One concern - Charles mentioned how 'expensive' it was to use VERP
with Postfix. I am wondering what kind of hit on the responsiveness of
my Mailman server will be. I have over 500 lists and 250,000
subscribers. If VERP being used for Mailman causes more mail activity,
could this result in slowness of list message delivery?

On Nov 27, 2007 4:19 PM, Brad Knowles  wrote:
> On 11/27/07, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> >  Quoting from , aka 'man 5
> >  postconf'
> >
> >   recipient_delimiter (default: empty)
>
> That man page may or may not describe the current state of affairs,
> and of course even if it does then you might be dealing with an older
> installation that may not implement the same default status.
>
> If you want to find out what your current postfix defaults are, you
> use the command "postconf -d".  If you want to see what you've got
> configured that is different from the built-in defaults, use the
> command "postconf -n".  A plain "postconf" will tell you what is
> configured, but you won't know whether that setting comes from the
> default or is being over-ridden by the configuration file.
>
> --
> Brad Knowles 
> LinkedIn Profile: 
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/adamsca%40gmail.com
>
> Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
>



-- 
Christopher Adams
adamsca at gmail.com

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Nov 28 03:26:16 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:26:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question about invitation
	confirmationsubject line/VERP
In-Reply-To: <27572d930711271656y13543ba4j469afe0a98164d89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Christopher Adams wrote:
>
>One concern - Charles mentioned how 'expensive' it was to use VERP
>with Postfix. I am wondering what kind of hit on the responsiveness of
>my Mailman server will be. I have over 500 lists and 250,000
>subscribers. If VERP being used for Mailman causes more mail activity,
>could this result in slowness of list message delivery?


The short answer is yes.

But let's be clear on what we're talking about.

First, we are not talking about VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes. All this does
is remove the confirm token from the Subject: and put it in the From:
address and replace the Subject: with a more user friendly one. It has
no impact on performance because these messages are sent one recipient
at a time anyway.

What we are talking about is Variable Envelope Return Paths. I.e., each
recipient (e.g. recip at user.example.com) of a message (sent from the
listname at list.example.com list) gets a message sent with an envelope
from

  listname-bounces+recip=user.example.com at list.example.com

Then when a bounce is returned to that address, it is delivered to
listname-bounces at list.example.com and Mailman knows that the user that
bounced is recip at user.example.com without having to parse the actual
bounce message and regardless of where the message might have been
forwarded/aliased in between.

If mailman does this VERPing (e.g. by setting VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL =
1), then Mailman is required to send to each recipient in a separate
SMTP transaction instead of a few transactions with a few hundred
recipients each, because each recipient has a unique envelope from.
List personalization also requires this because each recipient gets a
different message. That's why Mailman has a setting for
VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES since if the deliveries are personalized
to begin with, Mailman's VERPing doesn't cost extra.

The alternative is to have the MTA do the VERPing. In this case
delivery from Mailman to the MTA proceeds just as in the non-VERP
case, but delivery from the MTA to the recipient domains might require
more work. I.e., in the non-verp case, Mailman gives a message with
500 recipient addresses to the MTA in one SMTP transaction. If 25 of
these are aol.com addresses, the MTA may deliver the message to AOL in
one transaction with 25 recipients, but if the MTA is VERPing, it is
required to deliver to AOL in 25 separate transactions. So the impact
is greater than for non-VERP, but significantly less than if Mailman
does the VERPing. The problem is that unless the MTA can be configured
to VERP every outgoing message (which you may not want to do even if
you can), Mailman has to be patched to request that the MTA does VERP
for 'this' message.

As a point of reference however, there are lots of lists on python.org
and some are quite busy (e.g. Python-list at python.org) and they are
personalized and it seems to work OK. Brad has posted on this in the
past
.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Nov 28 05:18:18 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:18:18 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question about invitation confirmation
 subject line/VERP
In-Reply-To: <27572d930711271656y13543ba4j469afe0a98164d89@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	
	<27572d930711271656y13543ba4j469afe0a98164d89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

On 11/27/07, Christopher Adams wrote:

>  One concern - Charles mentioned how 'expensive' it was to use VERP
>  with Postfix. I am wondering what kind of hit on the responsiveness of
>  my Mailman server will be.

There has been some research on this topic, which is summarized at 
.

>                              I have over 500 lists and 250,000
>  subscribers.

That would be one of the larger mailing lists known to be running 
Mailman, see 
.

>                If VERP being used for Mailman causes more mail activity,
>  could this result in slowness of list message delivery?

Well, it all comes down to how much activity your lists have.  A list 
that has hundreds of thousands of subscribers but which only gets one 
post per month is not necessarily going to see the same sets of 
performance problems as a site that has a smaller number of lists 
with a smaller number of recipients, but where the lists are very 
active.

For that second URL shown above, contrast the profiles of 
HostMySite.com and panic.com as compared to lists.apple.com and 
FreeBSD.org.


Going back to that first URL shown above, I think the most critical 
summary paragraphs are these:

   The network penalty between SMTP_MAX = 1 (effectively VERP) and any
   kind of batching (SMTP > 1) is roughly 50%. To get VERP or customized
   footers or customized anything, you double your network bandwidth.

   There is very little advantage to setting SMTP_MAX > 5, UNLESS your
   subscriber base is heavily stratified onto very few sites. If you
   have really large groups of subscribers on AOL or Hotmail, it can help
   cut network bandwidth, but at best, it seems to be about a 10%
   improvement.

Keep in mind that this is for the test set described, but we believe 
that this is a reasonably accurate description of many Mailman 
mailing list servers & services.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Nov 28 05:38:41 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:38:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question about invitation
 confirmationsubject line/VERP
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

On 11/27/07, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>  As a point of reference however, there are lots of lists on python.org
>  and some are quite busy (e.g. Python-list at python.org) and they are
>  personalized and it seems to work OK. Brad has posted on this in the
>  past
>  .

I also updated FAQ 1.15 with the latest information about python.org. 
See 
.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Nov 28 16:09:41 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:09:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password addon
In-Reply-To: <019901c83070$0d739c50$6bf39280@oitlan.oit.ohiostate.edu>
Message-ID: 

Melinda Gilmore wrote:

> I am sorry I was not very clear.    One of our issues is the password
>needed for user to unsubscribe.  It will be a big change at this time from
>what we are using (Listproc).   Someone seems to think there is some addon
>that will disable this?  


You don't need a password to unsubscribe. You only need a password to
unsubscribe without responding to a confirmation email.


>The other issue is that we are used to being able to look at the config 
>file and see the password. The complication is that multiple list 
>owners share a single administrator password --so if one owner forgets 
>the passwored, if we can't look it up for them, then a reset would 
>cause every other owner on the list to NOT know the current password.


Here you are talking about list admin and/or moderator passwords, not
user passwords. User passwords are in fact kept in the list's
configuration file in plain text and can be 'looked up', although not
conveniently. You are correct that the list's admin and moderator
passwords are encrypted and cannot be retrieved in plain text. I know
of no way to avoid the problem you describe above in current Mailman.

If I were in your position, I would just ask one of the other admins
for the password.

Note, that you also have the issue that one admin who knows the
password can change it and lock out the other admins.

This will all change in Mailman 3, but not before. The plan for Mailman
3 is to have a user database separate from the lists. Each user will
have a password (or possibly other authentication method) and roles
such as owner of list1, moderator of list2, member of list1, list2,
list3, list4.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From treed at astate.edu  Wed Nov 28 20:00:04 2007
From: treed at astate.edu (Todd Reed)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:00:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delayed deliveries and diagnostics
Message-ID: <9095C7C9A93AEF41ABB39A474AAD9C9705557720@EXCHANGE.astate.edu>

I am having major delays when sending messages out.  I have several
lists with 20k-30k users.  I just discovered that a message that was
sent out on October 25 is still being delivered.  Other than the logs in
the /var/log/mailman directory, is there a diagnostics program or some
sort of reporting with mailman?  I can't find anything in the docs.

 

System

OS:                         CentOS 5 x64

SMTP:                   Postfix 2.3.3

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From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Nov 28 23:02:05 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:02:05 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delayed deliveries and diagnostics
In-Reply-To: <9095C7C9A93AEF41ABB39A474AAD9C9705557720@EXCHANGE.astate.edu>
References: <9095C7C9A93AEF41ABB39A474AAD9C9705557720@EXCHANGE.astate.edu>
Message-ID: 

On 11/28/07, Todd Reed wrote:

>  I am having major delays when sending messages out.  I have several
>  lists with 20k-30k users.  I just discovered that a message that was
>  sent out on October 25 is still being delivered.  Other than the logs in
>  the /var/log/mailman directory, is there a diagnostics program or some
>  sort of reporting with mailman?  I can't find anything in the docs.

There is nothing.  This is related to the issue discussed in FAQ 1.30 
at 
.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
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From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Nov 29 02:18:08 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:18:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delayed deliveries and diagnostics
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Brad Knowles wrote:

>On 11/28/07, Todd Reed wrote:
>
>>  I am having major delays when sending messages out.  I have several
>>  lists with 20k-30k users.  I just discovered that a message that was
>>  sent out on October 25 is still being delivered.  Other than the logs in
>>  the /var/log/mailman directory, is there a diagnostics program or some
>>  sort of reporting with mailman?  I can't find anything in the docs.
>
>There is nothing.  This is related to the issue discussed in FAQ 1.30 
>at 
>.


Brad is correct, but note that if you look at Mailman's smtp log, you
should find the " smtp for nnnn recips, completed in
xxx.xxx seconds" log entry relating to your Oct 25 message. At the
time that entry was written, Mailman was done delivering that message
except for possible retries of temporary failures occurring in
delivery to the outgoing MTA. These failures if any will be logged in
Mailman's smtp-failure log. Mailman will continue to retry the
temporary failures for DELIVERY_RETRY_PERIOD (default 5 days)
following the original failure.

Once Mailman has handed the delivery to the MTA and logged it in
'smtp', subsequent delays are in the MTA or further outbound, so you
might get more information from your MTA's logs.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From yahoo at jimpop.com  Thu Nov 29 06:49:06 2007
From: yahoo at jimpop.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:49:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] thread-throttling (feature idea, needs more thought)
Message-ID: <1196315346.12454.17.camel@localhost>

Elsewhere in the intertubes I know of a great list that oft suffers from
the all too common thread-gone-wild effect.   This got me thinking about
a Mailman feature request... but it needs more thought to assess it's
validity. ;-)

What if Mailman had a thread-throttling feature where after a preset
number of posts, further posts (with same msgid or Subject, etc.) would
automatically induce a queuing delay.  Obviously this would need a few
points of configuration, these things come to my mind:
	regexps for posters to never throttle
	regexps for posters to always throttle
	throttle method (ascending, static, %load, etc)
	throttle delay (minimum seconds?)
	a pck to store recent msgids/subjects/etc for past 24 hours

Note: this has nothing to do with bandwidth throttling, but rather
conversation throttling.  The idea is to auto inject pauses into heated
and passionate discussions.

Like I said, some things remain to talk through.... but I think there is
a gem in there.   Thoughts?

-Jim P.


From manlio_perillo at libero.it  Thu Nov 29 13:39:12 2007
From: manlio_perillo at libero.it (Manlio Perillo)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:39:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nginx + thttpd configuration for mailman
In-Reply-To: <47441A81.8080908@libero.it>
References: <47441A81.8080908@libero.it>
Message-ID: <474EB2F0.3030008@libero.it>

Manlio Perillo ha scritto:
> Hi.
> 
> I have successfully configured nginx to handle the mailman web interface.
> 
> CGI executions is delegated to thttpd.
> 
> If someone is interested I can post the configuration.
> 

I have posted the configuration guide in:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.023.htp



Manlio Perillo

From mail at scottechapman.com  Thu Nov 29 17:39:37 2007
From: mail at scottechapman.com (Scott Chapman)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:39:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] programmatically managing list membership
Message-ID: <474EEB49.4070201@scottechapman.com>

Is there a way to programmatically manage th members of a list?

I am am managing a club, where we track current and former membership in 
a database. One wouldlike to b able to send an email to all the current 
members, but that requires a SQL query.

Is there a way for me to do this? Thanks in advance!

-Scott.


From b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov  Thu Nov 29 18:46:44 2007
From: b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:46:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] programmatically managing list membership
In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Scott Chapman '
	dated: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:39:37 -0500
Message-ID: <200711291746.lATHkiTV020223@britaine.ctd.anl.gov>

Scott Chapman  wrote:

>Is there a way to programmatically manage th members of a list?
>
>I am am managing a club, where we track current and former membership in 
>a database. One wouldlike to b able to send an email to all the current 
>members, but that requires a SQL query.
>
>Is there a way for me to do this? Thanks in advance!

I do it every day.  Once a day, for some of my lists, someone creates
a file of subscribers; this comes from a database.  I have cron jobs
that take each (possibly changed) file and run

     ./sync_members -w=no -g=no -d=no -a=no -f  filename  $listname

This will quietly synchronize the membership list.  I get the output
of the cron, so I can keep track of who was unsubscribed and who was
subscribed.  One problem - if an address in the database is incorrect,
then the subscriber address will be unsubscribed eventually by Mailman
at the end of its bounce processing.  If the bad address has not been
corrected, it will be re-subscribed the next time the cron job is run.

My script does some other processing, as I allow for static entries
(persons automatically subscribed to a list even though they are not
in the database).
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From adamsca at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 21:14:38 2007
From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:14:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question about invitation
	confirmationsubject line/VERP
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: <27572d930711291214u2b72f7f6we92cae9fd1a23eb1@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all for the plethora of information about VERP and how it is
used by the MTAs and Mailman. Just for clarification, I don't have a
list of 250,000 subscribers, just a site that has a total of 250,000
subscribers over 500+ lists. I think the largest is about 40,000.

So, if all I want to do (which was my original question) is to VERP
confirmations,  I only have to add this to Postfix:

default_verp_delimiters = +=
verp_delimiter_filter = -+=x

and this to mm_cfgy.py:

VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes

All other VERP setting are whatever is the default in Defaults.py.

VERPing the confirmations seems to work as expectedc and I assume that
there is not much of a burden on the server without VERPing every
message or even VERPing a sample of messages.

Thanks again for the good information.


On Nov 27, 2007 8:38 PM, Brad Knowles  wrote:
> On 11/27/07, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> >  As a point of reference however, there are lots of lists on python.org
> >  and some are quite busy (e.g. Python-list at python.org) and they are
> >  personalized and it seems to work OK. Brad has posted on this in the
> >  past
> >  .
>
> I also updated FAQ 1.15 with the latest information about python.org.
> See
> .
>
>
> --
> Brad Knowles 
> LinkedIn Profile: 
>



-- 
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From brad at shub-internet.org  Thu Nov 29 21:20:36 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:20:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question about invitation
 confirmationsubject line/VERP
In-Reply-To: <27572d930711291214u2b72f7f6we92cae9fd1a23eb1@mail.gmail.com>
References: 	
	
	<27572d930711291214u2b72f7f6we92cae9fd1a23eb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

On 11/29/07, Christopher Adams wrote:

>  Thanks to all for the plethora of information about VERP and how it is
>  used by the MTAs and Mailman. Just for clarification, I don't have a
>  list of 250,000 subscribers, just a site that has a total of 250,000
>  subscribers over 500+ lists. I think the largest is about 40,000.

That would still make it one of the larger Mailman installations I know of.

>  VERPing the confirmations seems to work as expectedc and I assume that
>  there is not much of a burden on the server without VERPing every
>  message or even VERPing a sample of messages.

There shouldn't be a whole lot of load resulting from VERP'ing the 
confirmations, no.  Those should be going out, at most, once per day 
per recipient who's been identified as needing confirmation.  Even if 
all your lists were announce-only lists and you only got one 
announcement per list per month, you should probably see more 
"regular" traffic than the confirmations.

I'm not sure, but turning on verp_confirmations may result in other 
list administrative functions also being VERP'ed, but again even if 
you put all them together, they should still be a relatively small 
fraction of your overall volume.


Please let us know if you have any further questions, or if you'd be 
willing to contribute more information to be put into the FAQs.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Nov 29 23:39:09 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:39:09 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question about invitation
	confirmationsubject line/VERP
In-Reply-To: <27572d930711291214u2b72f7f6we92cae9fd1a23eb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Christopher Adams wrote:
>
>So, if all I want to do (which was my original question) is to VERP
>confirmations,  I only have to add this to Postfix:
>
>default_verp_delimiters = +=
>verp_delimiter_filter = -+=x


Actually, you don't need either of these. default_verp_delimiters
specifies the default VERP delimiters to be used in the envelope
sender address, + to separate the sender from the recipient address
and = to replace the @ in the recipient address. verp_delimiter_filter
specifies the characters that a sender is allowed to specify as
replacements for the defaults.

They both relate only to 'true' VERP done by Postfix on outgoing mail
and have nothing to do with Postfix's parsing of incoming mail
addresses.

What you do need in Postfix is

recipient_delimiter = +

So that when Postfix receives the reply to a 'friendly' confirmation
addressed to listname-confirm+xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx at example.com it
delivers it the same as it would if it were addressed to
listname-confirm at example.com .


>and this to mm_cfgy.py:
>
>VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
>
>All other VERP setting are whatever is the default in Defaults.py.


That's correct.


>VERPing the confirmations seems to work as expectedc and I assume that
>there is not much of a burden on the server without VERPing every
>message or even VERPing a sample of messages.


There is no additional burden on anything (except maybe Postfix address
parsing on the replies) from setting VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes since
the confirmations are individual messages sent one at a time to one
recipient regardless of the VERP_CONFIRMATIONS setting.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mangoo at wpkg.org  Fri Nov 30 00:52:48 2007
From: mangoo at wpkg.org (Tomasz Chmielewski)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:52:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HOWTO - integrating Mailman with a Swish-e search
	engine
Message-ID: <474F50D0.1050308@wpkg.org>

Hi,

I just wrote a small HOWTO on integrating Mailman with Swish-e:

http://wpkg.org/Integrating_Mailman_with_a_Swish-e_search_engine


Let me know what you think about it.


-- 
Tomasz Chmielewski

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Nov 30 04:06:38 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:06:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HOWTO - integrating Mailman with a Swish-e
	searchengine
In-Reply-To: <474F50D0.1050308@wpkg.org>
Message-ID: 

Tomasz Chmielewski 
>
>I just wrote a small HOWTO on integrating Mailman with Swish-e:
>
>http://wpkg.org/Integrating_Mailman_with_a_Swish-e_search_engine
>


This looks great.

Is it OK if we (or you) update FAQ 1.11

to point to your page?

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri Nov 30 07:24:12 2007
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:24:12 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  thread-throttling (feature idea,
	needs more thought)
In-Reply-To: <1196315346.12454.17.camel@localhost>
References: <1196315346.12454.17.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <871wa81cab.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Jim Popovitch writes:

 > What if Mailman had a thread-throttling feature where after a preset
 > number of posts, further posts (with same msgid or Subject, etc.) would
 > automatically induce a queuing delay.

I think this would just lead to people mail-bombing the admins instead
of the list. :-)

The other issue I can think of is that when I think back on the cases
where in hindsight I really wish I'd had a 15 minute delay on the SEND
key mostly occurred on lists with a substantial management component.
It would be really nasty if a feature intended to keep hotheads like
me from embarrassing themselves instead suddenly slowed a discussion
of how to deal with an ongoing DDOS attack or the like.

Now, if you were proposing a feature where Mailman would notice that
I've posted to a thread 3 times in fifteen minutes and mail me a
polite notice "are you really sure you need to post to this thread
three times in fifteen minutes?!", *that* I could really go for!  It
wouldn't even have to work for other people.

Or to paraphrase an old George Carlin schtick, "Stop me before I
[post] again!"


From yahoo at jimpop.com  Fri Nov 30 07:36:31 2007
From: yahoo at jimpop.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:36:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] thread-throttling (feature idea,
	needs more	thought)
In-Reply-To: <871wa81cab.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <1196315346.12454.17.camel@localhost>
	<871wa81cab.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <1196404591.26551.2.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 15:24 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Now, if you were proposing a feature where Mailman would notice that
> I've posted to a thread 3 times in fifteen minutes and mail me a
> polite notice "are you really sure you need to post to this thread
> three times in fifteen minutes?!", *that* I could really go for!  It
> wouldn't even have to work for other people.

Actually I like that idea very much.  It could cause the hot-heads to
wait a minute for a confirmation email with a URL to click to before
continuing.  Hmmmmm.

Thanks!

-Jim P.


From noel.dacosta at magharl.co.uk  Fri Nov 30 10:01:22 2007
From: noel.dacosta at magharl.co.uk (Noel da Costa)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:01:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MX records
Message-ID: <942D7E1A-9FC0-4FF1-8BC7-8080647A2BB0@magharl.co.uk>

Hi there,

I'm new to Mailman. I've searched through the online docs but can't  
find anything that seems related to the problem I'm experiencing.

I've managed to install Mailman on my server and set up a mailing  
list, I've received welcome emails both as admin and as a member of  
the new list. The problem arises when sending mail to the list (I've  
included the failure message below. Real domain and alias names have  
been replaced for privacy reasons).

I use my hosting co's management console to set up new email aliases  
on the domain. The only options available when setting up an alias are:

1. Mailbox
2. Forward
3. SMS forward

None of those seem appropriate, so I'm not sure how activate this alias.


Any clues?


Thanks,
Noel da Costa



>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: MAILER-DAEMON at ctb-mesg-1-1.saix.net (Mail Delivery System)
> Date: 29 November 2007 16:54:13 GMT+02:00
> To: noel.dacosta at magharl.co.uk
> Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
>
> This is the mail system at host ctb-mesg-1-1.saix.net.
>
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
>
> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
>
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the attached returned message.
>
>                    The mail system
>
> : host mx00.1and1.co.uk[212.227.15.150]  
> said: 550
>     : invalid address (in reply to RCPT TO  
> command)
> Reporting-MTA: dns; ctb-mesg-1-1.saix.net
> X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 79C0928074
> X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; noel.dacosta at magharl.co.uk
> Arrival-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:54:09 +0200 (SAST)
>
> Final-Recipient: rfc822; newlist at mydomain.co.uk
> Original-Recipient: rfc822;newlist at mydomain.co.uk
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Remote-MTA: dns; mx00.1and1.co.uk
> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 : invalid address
>
> From: Noel da Costa 
> Date: 29 November 2007 16:53:46 GMT+02:00
> To: newlist at mydomain.co.uk
> Subject: THis is a test
>
>
> Hello... are you getting mail?
>
>
> Noel
>
>




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From brad at shub-internet.org  Fri Nov 30 14:58:00 2007
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:58:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MX records
In-Reply-To: <942D7E1A-9FC0-4FF1-8BC7-8080647A2BB0@magharl.co.uk>
References: <942D7E1A-9FC0-4FF1-8BC7-8080647A2BB0@magharl.co.uk>
Message-ID: 

On 11/30/07, Noel da Costa wrote:

>  I've managed to install Mailman on my server and set up a mailing
>  list, I've received welcome emails both as admin and as a member of
>  the new list. The problem arises when sending mail to the list (I've
>  included the failure message below. Real domain and alias names have
>  been replaced for privacy reasons).
>
>  I use my hosting co's management console to set up new email aliases
>  on the domain. The only options available when setting up an alias are:
>
>  1. Mailbox
>  2. Forward
>  3. SMS forward

Option #2 would probably be closest, but what you'd have to do is to 
set up the ten aliases needed for each list to be forwarded to a 
local program on the machine.  If your hosting provider doesn't allow 
that, then you can't use their interface to set up aliases.

If your provider is using an MTA like postfix, with the right options 
specified in the Mailman configuration file then you can use 
mechanisms built into Mailman that can automatically generate the 
necessary aliases for you, and postfix will automatically pick up 
those changes on-the-fly.  However, this also requires modification 
to the postfix configuration files, and if your provider doesn't 
allow that, then obviously this won't be an option for you.

In short, you really need to talk to your provider.


Moreover, this doesn't have anything to do with MX records, so the 
subject is misleading.

-- 
Brad Knowles 
LinkedIn Profile: 

From mohamed.chaari at st.com  Fri Nov 30 18:04:35 2007
From: mohamed.chaari at st.com (Mohamed CHAARI)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:04:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] running External Archiver on background/foreground
Message-ID: <475042A3.6090200@st.com>

Hi all,

I'm using Mailman for lists management, in a collaboration 
infrastructure site.
I configured Mailman so that an external archiver is used, but I 
hesitate to run this archiver in background or foreground.

More concretely, in mm_cfg.py conf file, should I put:

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat > /var/run/mailman/mail_tmp; 
/usr/local/bin/external_arch %(listname)s'

or

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat > /var/run/mailman/mail_tmp; 
/usr/local/bin/external_arch %(listname)s &'

What do you recommend ? is there a difference, in terms of performance ?
Is there a risk of system overload, for one of the 2 solutions, when 
dealing with too big archives ? (I have some archives exceeding 50 M)

Thank you

-- 
---
--Mohamed CHAARI   (mailto : mohamed.chaari at st.com)

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Nov 30 19:37:06 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:37:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] running External Archiver on
	background/foreground
In-Reply-To: <475042A3.6090200@st.com>
Message-ID: 

Mohamed CHAARI wrote:
>
>I'm using Mailman for lists management, in a collaboration 
>infrastructure site.
>I configured Mailman so that an external archiver is used, but I 
>hesitate to run this archiver in background or foreground.
>
>More concretely, in mm_cfg.py conf file, should I put:
>
>PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat > /var/run/mailman/mail_tmp; 
>/usr/local/bin/external_arch %(listname)s'
>
>or
>
>PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat > /var/run/mailman/mail_tmp; 
>/usr/local/bin/external_arch %(listname)s &'
>
>What do you recommend ? is there a difference, in terms of performance ?
>Is there a risk of system overload, for one of the 2 solutions, when 
>dealing with too big archives ? (I have some archives exceeding 50 M)


The size of the archive is only going to influence
/usr/local/bin/external_arch whatever that is. Its performance/run
time may or may not depend on the size of the archive.

There are potential issues either way (forground or background). The
external archiver command is run with the list locked. This is both
good and bad. It eliminates any potential race condition which might
overwrite /var/run/mailman/mail_tmp with a second message before the
first message is processed, at least if only one list is involved, but
it may keep the list locked for a long time if the external_arch
process is slow. In addition, if the external_arch shoud do something
that locks the list, a deadlock results.

See
.

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jproducer73 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 21:24:03 2007
From: jproducer73 at gmail.com (jproducer)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:24:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Accept all from Domain?
Message-ID: <14065338.post@talk.nabble.com>


I have a mailing list set up and have used this address for a myspace page
that sends to all the members in the band. The reason behind this is so
everyone in the band can get notifications and whoever is available can
respond. The issue is that everytime myspace sends out a message, it is a
different email address. Is there a way to permanently accept all messages
from a particular domain?

Or is there another reccomendation that anyone has to accomplish having one
single address send to three different people at all times?

Thanks in advance.
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From rich at edj.net  Fri Nov 30 21:02:38 2007
From: rich at edj.net (rich at edj.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:02:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup and restore
Message-ID: <20071130130238.sg73etddwkkg8ss8@edj.net>

I need to backup the settings from one mailing list on one domain and  
restore those settings on another domain(same server.) How does one  
achieve that?


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Nov 30 21:37:29 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:37:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accept all from Domain?
In-Reply-To: <14065338.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: 

jproducer wrote:
>
>Is there a way to permanently accept all messages
>from a particular domain?


Put a regular expression similar to

   ^.*[.@]example\.com$

in Privacy options...->Sender filters->accept_these_nonmembers. The
above will accept mail from user at example.com, userx at mail.example.com,
etc. If you want to allow only the example.com domain and not
subdomains, use something like

   ^.*@example\.com$

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Nov 30 21:48:41 2007
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:48:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup and restore
In-Reply-To: <20071130130238.sg73etddwkkg8ss8@edj.net>
Message-ID: 

rich at edj.net wrote:

>I need to backup the settings from one mailing list on one domain and  
>restore those settings on another domain(same server.) How does one  
>achieve that?


I'm not sure what you really want to do.

If you just want to move the list from one domain to another, assuming
this is standard Mailman and not something like cPanel with 'true
virtual domains', just run fix_url on the list to change the domain,
and depending on how your MTA handles virtual domains, you may need to
change something there too.

To actually backup and restore settings, use 'bin/config_list -o 
' to write the configuration to  and then
'bin/config_list -i   to apply them to another list,
but you may want to remove some of the settings (e.g. real_name) from
 before applying it to .

-- 
Mark Sapiro         The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mangoo at wpkg.org  Fri Nov 30 23:54:42 2007
From: mangoo at wpkg.org (Tomasz Chmielewski)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:54:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HOWTO - integrating Mailman with a Swish-e
	searchengine
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <475094B2.7090301@wpkg.org>

Mark Sapiro schrieb:
> Tomasz Chmielewski 
>> I just wrote a small HOWTO on integrating Mailman with Swish-e:
>>
>> http://wpkg.org/Integrating_Mailman_with_a_Swish-e_search_engine
>>
> 
> 
> This looks great.
> 
> Is it OK if we (or you) update FAQ 1.11
> 
> to point to your page?

I added the required info to the above page.


-- 
Tomasz Chmielewski

From rosi at terrapeninsular.org  Fri Nov 30 23:58:13 2007
From: rosi at terrapeninsular.org (Rosi Bustamante)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:58:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Salesforce
References: 
Message-ID: 

> Hi,
> Our organization uses Salesforce.com for its database management,  
> and we'd like to make it work with Mailman, so people can sign up  
> for our newsletter on our website and their info gets automatically  
> entered into Salesforce.
>
> Is such a feature possible with Mailman, and if so, where are the  
> instructions to set it up?  I'm not the tech person so I really need  
> a bit of direction on this, so I appreciate any help I can get.
>
> Rosi


