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Below please find my main.cf and mm_cfg.py, vhosts, and vmaps. I've pretty much tried every modification I can find in the postfix/mailman/freebsd faq's, docs in addition to some tinkering of my own. When a list is created the virtual-mailman gets updated and "appears to be correct." Anyone able to take a look as say "oh this isn't working because of x?" Thanks, Jen Here is my main.cf: queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix command_directory = /usr/local/sbin daemon_directory = /usr/local/libexec/postfix mail_owner = postfix mynetworks = 192.168.1.0/24 127.0.0.0/8 xxx.xx.xx.xx/29 debug_peer_level = 2 debugger_command = PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin xxgdb $daemon_directory/$process_name $process_id & sleep 5 sendmail_path = /usr/local/sbin/sendmail newaliases_path = /usr/local/bin/newaliases html_directory = no manpage_directory = /usr/local/man sample_directory = /usr/local/etc/postfix readme_directory = no alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = $mydomain mailbox_size_limit = 0 inet_interfaces = all #Virtual Mailboxes for blah.org, foo.org, blah.com virtual_mailbox_domains = /usr/local/etc/postfix/vhosts.txt virtual_mailbox_base = /var/spool/vmail virtual_mailbox_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/vmaps.txt virtual_minimum_uid = 100 virtual_uid_maps = static:1002 virtual_gid_maps = static:1002 virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/valias.txt, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman # For SMTP-AUTH smtpd_use_tls = yes smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/newname.pem smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/newname.pem #smtpd_tls_CAfile = /usr/local/etc/postfix/ssl/permit.pem smtpd_tls_loglevel = 3 smtpd_tls_received_header = yes smtpd_tls_session_cache_timeout = 3600s tls_random_source = dev:/dev/urandom #For SMTP-AUTH smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated #Mailman recipient_delimiter = + owner_request_special = no Here are the relevant entries from mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.blah.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.blah.org' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.blah.org'] Entries from vhosts.txt: foo.org OK blah.org OK blah.com OK lists.blah.org OK Entries from vmaps: jen at foo.org foo.org/jen/ jen at blah.org blah.org/jen/ jen at blah.com blah.com/jen/ From msapiro at value.net Wed Jun 6 01:42:49 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:42:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages with Mailman 2.1 and Postfix 2.5Virtual Mailboxes In-Reply-To: <93f118f0706051607k54a94786te933f808aa0868eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jennifer Redman wrote: > >Here is my main.cf: > >alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases Try alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases You may need to run postalias after making this change. See -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jenred at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 02:15:13 2007 From: jenred at gmail.com (Jennifer Redman) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:15:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages with Mailman 2.1 and Postfix 2.5Virtual Mailboxes In-Reply-To: References: <93f118f0706051607k54a94786te933f808aa0868eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93f118f0706051715l4170ed94k3be93d29d8bd7b8d@mail.gmail.com> > Try > > alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases > > You may need to run postalias after making this change. Ok tried this approach. Same error. I was actually following the instructions from 6.1.2 Virtual Domains with the original configuration....Thank you very much for the suggestion though. See > > I think I may have the above memorized at this point ;>. I believe the problem is something to do with the virtual mailbox setup. Postfix instructions are here: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html "There is one major limitation: virtual aliases and virtual mailboxes can't directly deliver to mailing list managers such as majordomo. The solution is to set up virtual aliases that direct virtual addresses to the local delivery agent: /etc/postfix/main.cf : virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual /etc/postfix/virtual : listname-request at example.com listname-request listname at example.com listname owner-listname at example.com owner-listname /etc/aliases: listname: "|/some/where/majordomo/wrapper ..." owner-listname: ... listname-request: ... " I believe the above example is for Majordomo -- having trouble translating for Mailman. Any ideas? From msapiro at value.net Wed Jun 6 02:49:47 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:49:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages with Mailman 2.1 and Postfix2.5Virtual Mailboxes In-Reply-To: <93f118f0706051715l4170ed94k3be93d29d8bd7b8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jennifer Redman wrote: >> Try >> >> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases >> >> You may need to run postalias after making this change. > > >Ok tried this approach. Same error. I was actually following the >instructions from 6.1.2 Virtual Domains with the original >configuration....Thank you very much for the suggestion though. 6.1.2 is a suplement to, not a replacement for 6.1.1. > >See >> >> I think I may have the above memorized at this point ;>. > >I believe the problem is something to do with the virtual mailbox setup. >Postfix instructions are here: > >http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html > >"There is one major limitation: virtual aliases and virtual mailboxes can't >directly deliver to mailing list managers such as majordomo. The solution is >to set up virtual aliases that direct virtual addresses to the local >delivery agent: > >/etc/postfix/main.cf : > virtual_alias_maps > = >hash:/etc/postfix/virtual > >/etc/postfix/virtual : > listname-request at example.com listname-request > listname at example.com listname > owner-listname at example.com owner-listname > >/etc/aliases: > listname: "|/some/where/majordomo/wrapper ..." > owner-listname: ... > listname-request: ... > >" > >I believe the above example is for Majordomo -- having trouble translating >for Mailman. Any ideas? I'm not really a Postfix guy at all. Others on the mailman-users list know a lot more than I about Postfix, but the mailman translation of the above is straightforward. Mailman creates data/virtual-mailman* which corresponds to the mailman portion of/etc/postfix/virtual above and which maps in your case listname at lists.blah.org listname listname-bounces at lists.blah.org listname-bounces etc. i.e. it maps the address at lists.blah.org addresses to the corresponding local addresses. Then the mailman created data/aliases* pipes those local addresses to the mailman wrapper. This corresponds to the mailman portion of /etc/aliases. Possibly there is a permissions issue. What does ls -l mailman/data show? Also, what's in mailman/data/aliases and mailman/data/virtual-mailman? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From rr6 at columbia.edu Wed Jun 6 10:24:39 2007 From: rr6 at columbia.edu (Sekhar Ramakrishnan) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:24:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits Message-ID: <46663707.20059.57B464@rr6.columbia.edu> This is my first post and I apologize if this has been dealt with; I was not able to find the right way to search the archives. I also apologize for the length. I administer half a dozen lists with membership ranging from 100 to 500, the number of messages ranging from 1 to 30 a day on each list, but monthly bandwidth for all lists together under 4 GB. A small commercial place where our domain was hosted recently decided to stop supporting Mailman, partly because their version of cPanel didn't include Mailman space in the user's quota. We found a number of places that offered "unlimited" Mailman lists, chose one and moved everything there via a cPanel backup. The move worked fine, and all the Mailman archives were intact. A couple of days later, we found that some messages were not going through and learned from the support people that there was an hourly limit on the number of messages - the 250 limit meant that a list with 300 people could not get even a single message out, and that if a message went out to a list with 200, there could not be another message for an hour. The only solution they offer is for us to get a dedicated server, which costs about ten times as much and is far beyond what we need by way of bandwidth. What we found upsetting (besides the policy being unannounced) was that other places we contacted all have similar hourly limits, even as they all advertise "unlimited" mailing lists. We are not sure what the reason is for these limits. Is it that the SMTP servers cannot tell the difference between Mailman mail and other mail so the places are afraid of spammers giving their servers a bad name? Or is it that SMTP takes up so much resource that a limit is necessary? Finally, and this is the main reason for this post, are there commercial places that support Mailman with more reasonable limits on the number of messages? Thank you all for any advice. Sekhar From ivanlan at pauahtun.org Wed Jun 6 14:38:37 2007 From: ivanlan at pauahtun.org (Ivan Van Laningham) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:38:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits In-Reply-To: <46663707.20059.57B464@rr6.columbia.edu> References: <46663707.20059.57B464@rr6.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <4666AACD.6050007@pauahtun.org> Hi All-- I run ten to eleven mailing lists, with, just as you have, 100-500 members apiece. I have a dedicated server with Godaddy. They told me that yes, I could run mailing lists. They didn't tell me in advance that there was a daily limit of 1000 outgoing messages per day. I discovered that as soon as the first mailing list went into operation and I had to wait 24 hours for the counter to be reset. In order to raise the limit to something reasonable, I had to provide documentation to Godaddy through some automated tools they have. I think in the end it amounted to about 20 pages of justification. It was definitely a pain, because their base assumption is that mailing lists are newsletters sent to customers. It follows that if you are a capitalist with customers, you lust to become an evil spammer, and only the fear of legal action and forcible disconnection keeps you from inundating the net with enlargement ads. You have to provide samples of your "newsletters," which is a bit difficult if you want to provide a modicum of privacy for your subscribers. I made calculations based on the size of the lists and the number of subscribers and requested my limit be raised to that limit. Godaddy cut that request to 1/3, which irritated me a lot, but all the messages went through without a hitch. Later, I realized that my calculations were off because I didn't remember that mailman will batch the transmissions so that I had far fewer outgoing emails than I thought. This would be different if I turned on full personalization, but I don't have any need for that. All in all, the Godaddy experience has been positive. I lease a far better machine than the prior one that I owned, and pay far less than I did when I colocated my server at a local ISP (you can get _substantial_ discounts by paying in full for two to five years in advance: _ask_). I get more bandwidth, and the automated tools are, I reluctantly admit, not bad at all (Plesk; it's worth the monthly fee, just don't access it with IE. Use only Firefox). The cons are that Godaddy's service when you call to talk to a tech is not the best. Mostly, it consists of asking, "Did you read the FAQ on xxx?", stating "There is nothing wrong with our mail system," or saying, "I'm sorry, we don't support that software, since we don't force you to use it." (This last despite the fact that the software in question is the only software supplied on the system, and so you are forced to use it by default. They say you can install whatever you want on your system.) You'll end up googling a lot. You learn quickly, however. ;-) If you don't have the need for a dedicated server, you could go with a dedicated virtual server, which is a great deal cheaper, but you don't get things like three dedicated IP addresses and you have to share the machine (it looks like your own machine, however, because you're in a chroot box). They also have hosting plans that might include mailing lists, but I never really considered those. Hope this helps. Metta, Ivan Sekhar Ramakrishnan wrote: > > We are not sure what the reason is for these limits. Is it that the SMTP > servers cannot tell the difference between Mailman mail and other mail so > the places are afraid of spammers giving their servers a bad name? Or is it > that SMTP takes up so much resource that a limit is necessary? > > Finally, and this is the main reason for this post, are there commercial > places that support Mailman with more reasonable limits on the number of > messages? > -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/laningham/laningham.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours From brian at emwd.com Wed Jun 6 14:54:09 2007 From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:54:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits In-Reply-To: <4666AACD.6050007@pauahtun.org> Message-ID: You can also check out my services at http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html. I do not place any sort of message limits on my mailman clients. Kind regards, Brian Carpenter -------------------------------------- EMWD - Executive Officer -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Ivan Van Laningham Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:39 AM To: rajasekhar at columbia.edu; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits Hi All-- I run ten to eleven mailing lists, with, just as you have, 100-500 members apiece. I have a dedicated server with Godaddy. They told me that yes, I could run mailing lists. They didn't tell me in advance that there was a daily limit of 1000 outgoing messages per day. I discovered that as soon as the first mailing list went into operation and I had to wait 24 hours for the counter to be reset. In order to raise the limit to something reasonable, I had to provide documentation to Godaddy through some automated tools they have. I think in the end it amounted to about 20 pages of justification. It was definitely a pain, because their base assumption is that mailing lists are newsletters sent to customers. It follows that if you are a capitalist with customers, you lust to become an evil spammer, and only the fear of legal action and forcible disconnection keeps you from inundating the net with enlargement ads. You have to provide samples of your "newsletters," which is a bit difficult if you want to provide a modicum of privacy for your subscribers. I made calculations based on the size of the lists and the number of subscribers and requested my limit be raised to that limit. Godaddy cut that request to 1/3, which irritated me a lot, but all the messages went through without a hitch. Later, I realized that my calculations were off because I didn't remember that mailman will batch the transmissions so that I had far fewer outgoing emails than I thought. This would be different if I turned on full personalization, but I don't have any need for that. All in all, the Godaddy experience has been positive. I lease a far better machine than the prior one that I owned, and pay far less than I did when I colocated my server at a local ISP (you can get _substantial_ discounts by paying in full for two to five years in advance: _ask_). I get more bandwidth, and the automated tools are, I reluctantly admit, not bad at all (Plesk; it's worth the monthly fee, just don't access it with IE. Use only Firefox). The cons are that Godaddy's service when you call to talk to a tech is not the best. Mostly, it consists of asking, "Did you read the FAQ on xxx?", stating "There is nothing wrong with our mail system," or saying, "I'm sorry, we don't support that software, since we don't force you to use it." (This last despite the fact that the software in question is the only software supplied on the system, and so you are forced to use it by default. They say you can install whatever you want on your system.) You'll end up googling a lot. You learn quickly, however. ;-) If you don't have the need for a dedicated server, you could go with a dedicated virtual server, which is a great deal cheaper, but you don't get things like three dedicated IP addresses and you have to share the machine (it looks like your own machine, however, because you're in a chroot box). They also have hosting plans that might include mailing lists, but I never really considered those. Hope this helps. Metta, Ivan Sekhar Ramakrishnan wrote: > > We are not sure what the reason is for these limits. Is it that the > SMTP > servers cannot tell the difference between Mailman mail and other mail so > the places are afraid of spammers giving their servers a bad name? Or is it > that SMTP takes up so much resource that a limit is necessary? > > Finally, and this is the main reason for this post, are there > commercial > places that support Mailman with more reasonable limits on the number of > messages? > -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/laningham/laningh am.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brian%40emwd.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp From japruim at raoset.com Wed Jun 6 15:06:52 2007 From: japruim at raoset.com (Jason Pruim) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:06:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15502DC7-0FE5-47A9-9BBB-1D623ABC6844@raoset.com> Well if we are all going to throw in our hats... www.raoset.com/hosting/ As long as you don't bring my server down I don't put limits on stuff ;) On Jun 6, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > You can also check out my services at http://www.emwd.com/ > mailman.html. I do > not place any sort of message limits on my mailman clients. > > Kind regards, > Brian Carpenter > -------------------------------------- > EMWD - Executive Officer > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf > Of Ivan > Van Laningham > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:39 AM > To: rajasekhar at columbia.edu; mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman > message limits > > > Hi All-- > I run ten to eleven mailing lists, with, just as you have, 100-500 > members apiece. I have a dedicated server with Godaddy. They told me > that yes, I could run mailing lists. They didn't tell me in advance > that there was a daily limit of 1000 outgoing messages per day. I > discovered that as soon as the first mailing list went into operation > and I had to wait 24 hours for the counter to be reset. > > In order to raise the limit to something reasonable, I had to provide > documentation to Godaddy through some automated tools they have. I > think in the end it amounted to about 20 pages of justification. > It was > definitely a pain, because their base assumption is that mailing lists > are newsletters sent to customers. It follows that if you are a > capitalist with customers, you lust to become an evil spammer, and > only > the fear of legal action and forcible disconnection keeps you from > inundating the net with enlargement ads. > > You have to provide samples of your "newsletters," which is a bit > difficult if you want to provide a modicum of privacy for your > subscribers. > > I made calculations based on the size of the lists and the number of > subscribers and requested my limit be raised to that limit. > Godaddy cut > that request to 1/3, which irritated me a lot, but all the messages > went > through without a hitch. Later, I realized that my calculations were > off because I didn't remember that mailman will batch the > transmissions > so that I had far fewer outgoing emails than I thought. This would be > different if I turned on full personalization, but I don't have any > need > for that. > > All in all, the Godaddy experience has been positive. I lease a far > better machine than the prior one that I owned, and pay far less > than I > did when I colocated my server at a local ISP (you can get > _substantial_ > discounts by paying in full for two to five years in advance: > _ask_). I > get more bandwidth, and the automated tools are, I reluctantly admit, > not bad at all (Plesk; it's worth the monthly fee, just don't > access it > with IE. Use only Firefox). > > The cons are that Godaddy's service when you call to talk to a tech is > not the best. Mostly, it consists of asking, "Did you read the FAQ on > xxx?", stating "There is nothing wrong with our mail system," or > saying, > "I'm sorry, we don't support that software, since we don't force > you to > use it." (This last despite the fact that the software in question is > the only software supplied on the system, and so you are forced to use > it by default. They say you can install whatever you want on your > system.) You'll end up googling a lot. You learn quickly, > however. ;-) > > If you don't have the need for a dedicated server, you could go with a > dedicated virtual server, which is a great deal cheaper, but you don't > get things like three dedicated IP addresses and you have to share the > machine (it looks like your own machine, however, because you're in a > chroot box). > > They also have hosting plans that might include mailing lists, but I > never really considered those. > > Hope this helps. > > Metta, > Ivan > > Sekhar Ramakrishnan wrote: >> >> We are not sure what the reason is for these limits. Is it that the >> SMTP >> servers cannot tell the difference between Mailman mail and other >> mail so >> the places are afraid of spammers giving their servers a bad name? >> Or is > it >> that SMTP takes up so much resource that a limit is necessary? >> >> Finally, and this is the main reason for this post, are there >> commercial >> places that support Mailman with more reasonable limits on the >> number of >> messages? >> > > -- > Ivan Van Laningham > God N Locomotive Works > http://www.pauahtun.org/ > http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/ > laningham/laningh > am.html > Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 > Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% > 40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brian%40emwd.com > > Security Policy: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? > req=show&file=faq01.027.htp > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% > 40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > japruim%40raoset.com > > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? > req=show&file=faq01.027.htp > From barry at python.org Wed Jun 6 15:28:21 2007 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:28:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits In-Reply-To: <15502DC7-0FE5-47A9-9BBB-1D623ABC6844@raoset.com> References: <15502DC7-0FE5-47A9-9BBB-1D623ABC6844@raoset.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Jason Pruim wrote: > Well if we are all going to throw in our hats... www.raoset.com/ > hosting/ > > As long as you don't bring my server down I don't put limits on > stuff ;) If you're a Mailman hosting provider, be sure you're on the list: http://wiki.list.org/display/COM/Mailman+hosting+services If you're looking for hosting services, check that list! :) - -Barry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBRma2dnEjvBPtnXfVAQIyiAP+Iij1jg9BYJRSvRWEjM0WSWgUV+v3Rtcy jwiX9OkdCe9ShNK6G11HTJFtlkgayoF1Ne7R9s1UlkRBrW6CywWXFOOID2XGhbtE PTC3nvBoeRMqGXb5v4A/xH4shAVlWZTBplMZnSCht2fxJbPMxlbOseonWQQvYuEL mN5j0t7489Y= =naAn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kencheney at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 17:41:52 2007 From: kencheney at yahoo.com (Ken Cheney) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found Message-ID: <75210.26229.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have seen this error asked about many times and all seem to point to crontab.in and something in the 6th position. However I am a mailman/Linux n00b. How do I fix this? Subject: Cron <mailman at listserv> mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh> X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/usr/lib/mailman> X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin> X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman> X-Cron-Env: <USER=mailman> --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. From jeff at jwswinc.com Wed Jun 6 20:03:39 2007 From: jeff at jwswinc.com (Jeff Williams) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:03:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list issue Message-ID: Hey guys. I have two different mailing lists on two different domains. One has been in operation for some time (shoptalk at identitypullman.com) and the other is new (list at rockhoundsoftball.com) The new rockhound list is doing something that is causing me fits. The "From" address looks like this: From: list at rockhoundsoftball.com (sent by list-bounces at rockhoundsoftball.com) On my Identity list, it simply looks like this: From: Shop Talk The added header information ?(sent by list-bounces at rockhoundsoftball.com)? is really interfering with people?s ability to receive messages as spam software seems to be grabbing these emails. I have compared preferences for both sites, and I don?t know what is different. How can I fix this??????? Thank you in advance for your help. JW ______________________________________________________________________ JWSW, Incorporated http://www.jwswinc.com 509.432.1220 From joshua at eeinternet.com Wed Jun 6 20:35:15 2007 From: joshua at eeinternet.com (Joshua J. Kugler) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:35:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits In-Reply-To: <46663707.20059.57B464@rr6.columbia.edu> References: <46663707.20059.57B464@rr6.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200706061035.18151.joshua@eeinternet.com> On Wednesday 06 June 2007 00:24, Sekhar Ramakrishnan wrote: > Finally, and this is the main reason for this post, are there commercial > places that support Mailman with more reasonable limits on the number of > messages? textdrive.com has reasonably priced plans that include mailman. I've not seen anything about mailman limits, all their feature list says is "Host Mailman mailing lists complete with archives." Might be worth checking them out. Their AUP says you can't send out "Unsolicited Bulk Email (?UBE?, ?spam?)". It also says you can't run "unconfirmed" mailing lists. That is, your mailing lists have to be Opt-In. If they ask who referred you, say "jkugler." :) j -- Joshua Kugler Lead System Admin -- Senior Programmer http://www.eeinternet.com PGP Key: http://pgp.mit.edu/ ID 0xDB26D7CE PO Box 80086 -- Fairbanks, AK 99708 -- Ph: 907-456-5581 Fax: 907-456-3111 From drm_contractors_inc at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 20:34:41 2007 From: drm_contractors_inc at yahoo.com (Arlene Munoz) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:34:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <765711.22126.qm@web62405.mail.re1.yahoo.com> por favor no quiero que me sigan enviando sus mensajes, les voy a pedir que respeten mis descisiones y mi espacio. mailman-users-request at python.org escribi?: Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to mailman-users at python.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mailman-users-request at python.org You can reach the person managing the list at mailman-users-owner at python.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. odd empty bounce message generated upon posting to a mailing list (Jon Pauli) 2. Unable to Create New Lists (Phil Fonville) 3. Which script does /admin/members call? (Curtis Preston) 4. Re: Unable to Create New Lists (Mark Sapiro) 5. Re: Mailman Splitting Subject (Mark Sapiro) 6. Re: Maximum template size? (Mark Sapiro) 7. Re: No domain name, Can I use mailman to build a maillist? (Mark Sapiro) 8. Re: how can i simulate mailman pages (Mark Sapiro) 9. Re: Low level smtp error: Server not connected (Mark Sapiro) 10. Re: a question about unadvertised lists and spam (Mark Sapiro) De: "Jon Pauli" Para: mailman-users at python.org Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:29:05 -0500 Asunto: [Mailman-Users] odd empty bounce message generated upon posting to a mailing list Hello, I have been looking around in the docs and have not seen anything that matches my issue. I have a couple of mailing lists and every time anyone- member or non-member posts, everything works fine but the list owner gets 1)An uncaught bounce notification containing an empty attachment called ForwardedMessage.eml. Thunderbird is the MUA so I'm guessing it is responsible for determining how to interpret the attachment, but even if I save it as a text file it is a 2 byte long file with no visible characters in it...I didn't take a hex editor to it. I understand why listowner gets these, I'm just not sure how it can work with a 2 byte file and no headers ;) 2. An email where no subject and no sender appear in the MUA. The headers are as follows: Delivered-To: me at mydomain.com Return-Path: < mailman-bounces at mail.mydomain.com> Received: from [192.168.10.22] (softdnserr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mydomain.com with esmtp; Thu, 31 May 2007 09:57:36 -0500id 00A9A0CA.465EE260.00010B2E Sender: mailman-bounces at mail.mydomain.com Errors-To: mailman-bounces at mail.mydomain.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:57:36 -0500 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; The interesting things I noticed are: 1. The Received: header line is wrong. The mail server has a DNS server running on it as well as the MTA. its IP is 192.168.11.22 NOT 10.22 There is no 192.168.10.22 on my network. This happens only for mailman emails. I don't recall having to set any IPs when I set up mailman. What is wrong here? 2. The end of the Message-ID: line contains only mydomain, not say, mydomain.com like non-mailman emails. 3. There is no Sender showing up in the MUA but the Sender: header is present. It looks like Thunderbird maybe uses the From: header instead of the Sender header despite naming the column where this would appear "Sender". I'd appreciate any thoughts or insight into this. I am confused. De: "Phil Fonville" Para: Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:21:49 -0400 Asunto: [Mailman-Users] Unable to Create New Lists I am unable to create new lists with either the web interface or the newlist script. However, I can post to my existing lists, and the posts go out to list subscribers. Failed attempts yield this message: Error: Unknown virtual host: bashful at troxlerlabs.local my mm_cfg.py file contains: DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/ DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'bashful' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'bashful' DEFAULT_URL_HOST - 'bashful' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) I did run the fix_url script against my existing lists. I see no evidence of problems when I run the check_perms and check_db scripts. My hostname (physical and virtual [see below]) is bashful.troxlerlabs.local I have stopped and restarted the qrunner. I should mention that my setup includes Postfix and Apache running in the same host. All this is in a SUSE Linux 10.2 virtual machine with NAT and ports 25 and 80 forwarded to their respective applications. This virtual machine worked fine on a different host, pfonvillepc2 (with "pfonvillepc2" substituted for all instances of "bashful") before moving it to bashful. I have looked for posts and FAQs for similar problem(s) but couldn't find any. Would be grateful for any help. De: "Curtis Preston" Para: Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:08:36 -0400 Asunto: [Mailman-Users] Which script does /admin/members call? I need to know which script is called when I run the /admin/members page and press Submit. I can't figure it out since ./cgi-bin/members is a binary. (I'm continuing down my path of trying to figure out how to set the digest mode via wget and I need to see how Mailman is parsing this form.) --- W. Curtis Preston Author of O'Reilly's Backup & Recovery and Using SANs and NAS VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies De: Mark Sapiro Para: "Phil Fonville" , Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:15:17 -0700 Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to Create New Lists Phil Fonville wrote: > >I am unable to create new lists with either the web interface or the >newlist script. However, I can post to my existing lists, and the posts >go out to list subscribers. > >Failed attempts yield this message: > > Error: Unknown virtual host: bashful at troxlerlabs.local > > >my mm_cfg.py file contains: > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/ > > DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'bashful' This only affects mail <-> news gatewaying > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'bashful' > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST - 'bashful' All the above host names must be fully qualified - i.e... 'bashful.troxlerlabs.local', not just 'bashful'. Also, I assume the above '_' instead of '=' is just a typo in your email. Finally, it would be good here to remove the Defaults.py add_virtualhost() entry by inserting VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() prior to > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > > >I did run the fix_url script against my existing lists. I see no >evidence of problems when I run the check_perms and check_db scripts. > >My hostname (physical and virtual [see below]) is >bashful.troxlerlabs.local After you fix mm_cfg.py as above, it would be good to run fix_url again. Also see . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan De: Mark Sapiro CC: mailman-users at python.org Para: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , lloyd at viplist.us Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:20:24 -0700 Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Splitting Subject Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >It's almost a trivial patch; in the email/Generator.py file find the >keyword argument continuation_ws='\t' to the Header initialization and >change the '\t' to ' '. This is an incomplete solution. See Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py. You really need to patch the prefix_subject function in that module by changing ws = '\t' in # Try to figure out what the continuation_ws is for the header if isinstance(subject, Header): lines = str(subject).splitlines() else: lines = subject.splitlines() ws = '\t' if len(lines) > 1 and lines[1] and lines[1][0] in ' \t': ws = lines[1][0] to ws = ' ' or possibly replace that whole piece with just ws = ' ' -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan De: Mark Sapiro CC: mailman-users at python.org Para: "Carter Braxton" , "Patrick Bogen" Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:29:56 -0700 Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Maximum template size? Carter Braxton wrote: > >I just tested this to be certain, and the variable substitution does not take place -- the invitation email that is sent contains the variable names rather than the values: The problem is the non-substitution '%' characters in your template. E.g., >75% of email traffic on the Internet > http://www.test.test/cgi-bin/mailman/options/test/name%40domain.com > > The part that reads "name%40domain.com" is based on your email > address. For example, if you signed up with an email address of > "foo at bar.com," you would point your web browser to: > > http://www.test.test/cgi-bin/mailman/options/test/foo%40bar.com All the above '%' characters need to be doubled as '%%' so they are not confused with substitutions such as the following. >Your address "%(email)s" has been invited to join the %(listname)s >mailing list at %(hostname)s by the %(listname)s mailing list owner. >You may accept the invitation by simply replying to this message, >keeping the Subject: header intact. > >You can also visit this web page: > > %(confirmurl)s > >Or you should include the following line -- and only the following >line -- in a message to %(requestaddr)s: > > confirm %(cookie)s > >Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from >most mail readers. > >If you want to decline this invitation, please simply disregard this >message. If you have any questions, please send them to >%(listowner)s. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan De: Mark Sapiro Para: jetspeed , mailman Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:45:08 -0700 Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] No domain name, Can I use mailman to build a maillist? jetspeed wrote: >I use exim4 as MTA, and mailman as maillist >But I have no domain name besides my IP, so mails from other smtp servers can't be relayed to my MTA, How can I deal with this situation? I think you can set DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = '[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]' and Mailman will work. but you may have issues with other MTAs refusing to deliver to address literals. OTOH, for less that $1.00/month you can register a domain including DNS service with, e.g., . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan De: Mark Sapiro Para: , Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:54:26 -0700 Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] how can i simulate mailman pages wrote: >'The problem is probably that the /admin/* pages require the list or site >admin password to be in a cookie, and normal users aren't going to have >that.' So, it seems you want to make your own web form which circumvents the Mailman subscribe process and subscribes the user directly via the admin mass subscribe page. >is it possible to set a cookie by hand. You don't need to do this. You just send the admin password with the cgi data as shown for example at . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan De: Mark Sapiro Para: ljacobs at shambhala.com, Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:16:49 -0700 Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Low level smtp error: Server not connected Leonard Jacobs wrote: >I am trying to run Mailman 2.1.9 on a CentOS 4 server with postfix 2.4.1. I had Mailman 2.1.5 running on a slower system and wanted to offload some apps to this newer server but am having problems. check_perms has no errors. Creating lists works fine and when postings are submitted the messages are delivered to the list admins re posting verifications. > >But only a few of the messages are getting delivered. logs/smtp-failure shows many of this type of error: >"delivery to someone at gmail.com failed with code -1: (104, 'Connection reset by peer')" I am also seeing many " Low level smtp error: Server not connected, msgid" errors. I did try all the suggested fixes in the FAQ including adding the line to get error output in the logs/error file. And this file is showing successful delivery, such as >"May 26 16:33:44 2007 qrunner(20744): reply: '250 2.1.5 Ok\r\n' >May 26 16:33:44 2007 qrunner(20744): reply: retcode (250); Msg: 2.1.5 Ok >May 26 16:33:44 2007 qrunner(20744): send: 'rcpt TO:\r\n"" >but the majority of the messages are simply stuck in the qfiles/out and qfile/rety directory. Leonard, I don't know where you are with this. I've read the rest of the thread, but I don't know if you've discovered anything or not. Here's what I can tell you. >From the Mailman/Python/smtplib point of view, Postfix is dropping the connection unexpectedly. You only show a small debug snippet above, but somewhere in the debug output there should be a point where something goes wrong in the SMTP transaction sequence. This should give you a clue. I'm guessing, since individual notices work, that postfix doesn't like transactions with a lot of recipients. Try setting SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 in mm_cfg.py and restarting mailman. If that works, you can then look at why Postfix doesn't like more than x recipients in a transaction. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan De: Mark Sapiro Para: Dennis at top-dog-home.com, mailman-users at python.org Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:23:09 -0700 Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] a question about unadvertised lists and spam Dennis Morgan wrote: > >My question is - are spamers able to pick up lists from the default (but >not easily accessible) default mailman listinfo page and start >bombarding us with spam on all lists? Or should I set the "Advertise >this list" option to "no" for the lists on the default listinfo page? My opinion, based on only anecdotal observation is that it doesn't matter. The spammers will get your list addresses from spyware on your list member's computers (it only takes one). -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ?gratis! Reg?strate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ From cjgeier at wisc.edu Wed Jun 6 21:07:01 2007 From: cjgeier at wisc.edu (Chris Geier) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:07:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] startup commands on OSX Message-ID: <007d01c7a86d$dd21ccf0$0402a8c0@ad.ophth.wisc.edu> Hello: I have a question I hope someone can help me with. I have Mailman loaded on a Mac and it has been working fine. The computer lost power the other evening and shutdown. After restarting the computer I can access the Mailman lists, but any mail does not get sent. I added several new users today and I did not get the new user notifications. Then I sent an email to one of the lists and I get nothing. The guy that used to manage the system has left the company. I thought there was something I needed to run at the command line to get the mail moving? Anyone know what the commands are to get the mail moving again? Thanks for any help! -Chris From parturi at bairesweb.com Wed Jun 6 21:40:08 2007 From: parturi at bairesweb.com (Pablo L. Arturi) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:40:08 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 MTA 1 mailman for the same vdomain Message-ID: <111f01c7a872$7dede7f0$0400a8c0@bworg196ib52so> Hello guys, this is my first install of mailman. I'll explain my setup. I have 1 mail server running postfix for vdomains using mysql, to lets say domain.com I have another server running postfix-mailman, to manage some mailing lists for domain.com I am not sure how to continue with this. my first postfix server manages all mails for domain.com, and now I need to start creating lists for domain.com. Not sure if I need to setup lists.domain.com or use domain.com and "map" users at domain.com to send all messages to the second machine running postfix-mailman. I have installed mailman and could create a mailing list, but I am not sure how should I start mapping mail accounts to the mailing list server. Any help? Thank you very much! Pablo From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Wed Jun 6 22:11:43 2007 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:11:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] startup commands on OSX In-Reply-To: <007d01c7a86d$dd21ccf0$0402a8c0@ad.ophth.wisc.edu> References: <007d01c7a86d$dd21ccf0$0402a8c0@ad.ophth.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20070606201143.GI19640@charite.de> * Chris Geier : > After restarting the computer I can access the Mailman lists, but any mail > does not get sent. Is the QueueRunner process running? -- Ralf Hildebrandt (i.A. des IT-Zentrums) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-962 IT-Zentrum Standort CBF send no mail to plonk at charite.de From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com Wed Jun 6 23:07:38 2007 From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:07:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] startup commands on OSX In-Reply-To: <007d01c7a86d$dd21ccf0$0402a8c0@ad.ophth.wisc.edu> References: <007d01c7a86d$dd21ccf0$0402a8c0@ad.ophth.wisc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Chris Geier wrote: > Hello: > > I have a question I hope someone can help me with. > > I have Mailman loaded on a Mac and it has been working fine. > > The computer lost power the other evening and shutdown. > > After restarting the computer I can access the Mailman lists, but any mail > does not get sent. > > Anyone know what the commands are to get the mail moving again? Sounds like there's nothing on your computer to start mailman automatically at boot. To start it on your current running system, go into Terminal and type: sudo /path/to/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start where /path/to/mailman is the path to where mailman is (for instance, if it's in the Applications folder in a folder called Mailman, then you'd put /Applications/Mailman there). To have Mailman start at boot time, follow these instructions from my guid to installing Mailman on Mac OS X (the full guide can be found in the archives - it's from July 2005): Step 8) Configure your system to start Mailman when it is booted. a) Open Terminal and change directory to /Library/LaunchDaemons: sudo su cd /Library/LaunchDaemons *** June 2007 addendum: my original said to cd to /System/Library/LaunchDaemons. I've since learned that Apple recommends that only Apple provided startup files be there and 3rd-party startup files be in /Library/LaunchDaemons (not withstanding that other 3rd-party packages have put stuff in /System/Library/LaunchDaemons). b) Create the Mailman startup preference file: touch mailman.plist c) Using your favorite method of text editing, add the following content to mailman.plist: Disabled Label mailman OnDemand ProgramArguments /Applications/Mailman/bin/mailmanctl start ServiceIPC RunAtLoad d) Verify the file ownership and permissions: ls -l You should see one of the lines saying something like: -rw-r--r-- 5 root wheel 170 12 May 11:21 mailman e) If the permissions (rw-r--r--) are not correct, type: chmod 644 mailman.plist f) If the owner (root) or group (wheel) is not correct, type: chown root:wheel Mailman g) Reboot (Restart) your system. When it finishes rebooting, Mailman should be running. To verify, open Terminal and type: ps -ax | grep python You should see a bunch of lines like this: 434 ?? Ss 0:00.04 python bin/mailmanctl -s start 443 ?? S 4:19.95 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 444 ?? S 4:08.58 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 445 ?? S 4:11.20 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 446 ?? S 4:06.93 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 447 ?? S 3:59.35 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 448 ?? S 4:16.59 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 449 ?? S 4:04.08 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 450 ?? S 0:00.85 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 16621 std R+ 0:00.00 grep -i python (The numbers will vary. The important thing is that you see the qrunner processes) -- Larry Stone lstone19 at stonejongleux.com From dan at music.memphis.edu Wed Jun 6 22:39:54 2007 From: dan at music.memphis.edu (Dan) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:39:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] startup commands on OSX In-Reply-To: <007d01c7a86d$dd21ccf0$0402a8c0@ad.ophth.wisc.edu> References: <007d01c7a86d$dd21ccf0$0402a8c0@ad.ophth.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <46671B9A.4020603@music.memphis.edu> Chris Geier wrote: > I have Mailman loaded on a Mac and it has been working fine. > > The computer lost power the other evening and shutdown. > > After restarting the computer I can access the Mailman lists, but any mail > does not get sent. > > I added several new users today and I did not get the new user > notifications. Then I sent an email to one of the lists and I get nothing. > > The guy that used to manage the system has left the company. > > I thought there was something I needed to run at the command line to get the > mail moving? > > Anyone know what the commands are to get the mail moving again? > > Thanks for any help! OS X client or server? Which version? Apple's install or from source? If it's the out of the box OS X Server version, start the qrunners with /usr/share/mailman/bin mailmanctl start. If it's from source, the location of the mailman/bin folder is likely to be different. The Server version should have a Mailman folder in /System/Library/StartupItems/ that starts it automatically at boot time. You can also create one yourself to run on the OS X client. Dan From jreddy at bnl.gov Wed Jun 6 23:34:45 2007 From: jreddy at bnl.gov (John Reddy) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:34:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive processing problem (mmarch w/ MIME) Message-ID: <46672875.1030608@bnl.gov> I've checked the FAQ and Googled this before coming here to ask for advice. Background: Running Debian 4.0, x86_64, MTA is Postfix, packaged Debian Mailman (version listed "2.1.9-7"), Python version 2.4.4. I'm having a problem where the archives are not ingesting MIME email for various mailing lists that I maintain. A message goes to the mailing list, is processed properly and gets reflected to the recipients. All email to the list winds up in /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox. However, messages that have MIME encoding don't make it to /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/listname for inclusion in the web page. I tried running mmarch to rebuild the archive, and got the following output: > [root at mailserver] # mmarch --wipe testmaillist-l testmaillist-l.mbox.o > #00000 <200601010510.k015A1J17411 at sample.email.bnl.gov> > figuring article archives > 2006-January > #00001 <200601020510.k025A0829608 at sample.email.bnl.gov> > figuring article archives > 2006-January > #00002 <200601030510.k035A1w11781 at sample.email.bnl.gov> > figuring article archives > 2006-January > Updating index files for archive [2006-January] > Date > Subject > Author > Thread > Computing threaded index > Updating HTML for article 0 > Updating HTML for article 1 > Updating HTML for article 2 > Pickling archive state into > /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/testmaillist-l/pipermail.pck > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/sbin/mmarch", line 200, in ? > main() > File "/usr/sbin/mmarch", line 188, in main > archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, start, end) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 564, in > processUnixMailbox > m = mbox.next() > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/mailbox.py", line 35, in next > return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop)) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 89, in scrubber > return mailbox.scrub(msg) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 109, in scrub > return self._scrubber(self._mlist, msg) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 393, in > process > replace_payload_by_text(msg, sep.join(text), charset) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 175, in > replace_payload_by_text > msg.set_payload(text, charset) > File "email/Message.py", line 218, in set_payload > File "email/Message.py", line 242, in set_charset > TypeError: us-ascii "mmarch" seems to be having trouble with the Content-Type header line. If I pull out that line for a given message, it is ingested, though it displays the full MIME text. Any direction on where to look would be appreciated. -John -- John Reddy jreddy at bnl.gov (631) 344-3284 Technology Architect ITD Unix Services Brookhaven National Labs From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Jun 7 02:08:14 2007 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:08:14 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive processing problem (mmarch w/ MIME) In-Reply-To: <46672875.1030608@bnl.gov> References: <46672875.1030608@bnl.gov> Message-ID: <46674C6E.1040506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> >> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 175, in >> replace_payload_by_text >> msg.set_payload(text, charset) >> File "email/Message.py", line 218, in set_payload >> File "email/Message.py", line 242, in set_charset >> TypeError: us-ascii > > "mmarch" seems to be having trouble with the Content-Type header line. > If I pull out that line for a given message, it is ingested, though it > displays the full MIME text. What exactly was the Content-Type header line ? -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From msapiro at value.net Thu Jun 7 02:48:52 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:48:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found In-Reply-To: <75210.26229.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ken Cheney wrote: >I have seen this error asked about many times and all seem to point to crontab.in and something in the 6th position. > > However I am a mailman/Linux n00b. How do I fix this? See for example and perhaps . Either remove the word 'mailman' from between the times and the command in the mailman crontab, or install the crontab as is in /etc/cron.d/mailman instead of /var/spool/cron/mailman. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Jun 7 03:06:21 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:06:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff Williams wrote: > >I have two different mailing lists on two different domains. One has been in >operation for some time (shoptalk at identitypullman.com) and the other is new >(list at rockhoundsoftball.com) Are these domains served by the same Mailman installation? >The new rockhound list is doing something that is causing me fits. > >The "From" address looks like this: > >From: list at rockhoundsoftball.com (sent by >list-bounces at rockhoundsoftball.com) > >On my Identity list, it simply looks like this: > >From: Shop Talk > >The added header information "(sent by list-bounces at rockhoundsoftball.com)" >is really interfering with people's ability to receive messages as spam >software seems to be grabbing these emails. I have compared preferences for >both sites, and I don't know what is different. The added information is probably added by the recipient's mail client, not by Mailman. See although your symptom seems somewhat different. It appears that both lists are anonymous. "Shop Talk" in the From: of the shoptalk at identitypullman.com list comes from the description setting on the list's General Options page. If this is set on the other list, and it is the same Mailman, I don't know why the From: would be different. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Jun 7 04:16:59 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:16:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 MTA 1 mailman for the same vdomain In-Reply-To: <111f01c7a872$7dede7f0$0400a8c0@bworg196ib52so> Message-ID: Pablo L. Arturi wrote: > >I have 1 mail server running postfix for vdomains using mysql, to lets say domain.com >I have another server running postfix-mailman, to manage some mailing lists for domain.com > >I am not sure how to continue with this. > >my first postfix server manages all mails for domain.com, and now I need to start creating lists for domain.com. Not sure if I need to setup lists.domain.com or use domain.com and "map" users at domain.com to send all messages to the second machine running postfix-mailman. You can do it either way. Set up a lists.example.com domain for mail lists only which directs all mail to the mailman server, or tell the main MTA for example.com the send all mail for the 10 addresses list at example.com list-admin at example.com list-bounces at example.com list-confirm at example.com list-join at example.com list-leave at example.com list-owner at example.com list-request at example.com list-subscribe at example.com list-unsubscribe at example.com for each list to the mailman server. Yet another possibility is to use NFS to make the mail/mailman wrapper on the Mailman machine accessible to the main mail server and pipe the list mail directly to the wrapper on the Mailman machine. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From parturi at bairesweb.com Thu Jun 7 05:13:36 2007 From: parturi at bairesweb.com (Pablo L. Arturi) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:13:36 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User unknown? Message-ID: <153f01c7a8b1$d6efb560$0400a8c0@bworg196ib52so> Hello people. I am sure I am missing something, but can't figure it what. I am following this instructions: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/postfix-virtual.html when I send a mail from parturi at domain_sender.com to the list chuchucha at example.com, I get postfix telling me the user doesn't exist, while it should be (and appears to find it) find it from the alias database. domain names replaced by example.com and sender_domain.com Thank you for your patience and help! Refards, Pablo This are all relevant logs and configurations I have made: This is the content of my mm_cfg.py (comments removed). *********************************************** [root at lists mailman]# cat /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py *********************************************** from Defaults import * import pwd, grp MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2] MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam('mailman')[2] from socket import * try: fqdn = getfqdn() except: fqdn = 'mm_cfg_has_unknown_host_domains' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = fqdn DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = fqdn add_virtualhost("news.example.com", "news.example.com") add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['news.example.com'] I tried to send a message to chuchucha at news.example.com, this is the transcript of the log sessions ************************ tail -f /var/log/maillog ************************ Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: mynetworks ~? debug_peer_list Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: mynetworks ~? fast_flush_domains Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: mynetworks ~? mynetworks Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: relay_domains ~? debug_peer_list Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: relay_domains ~? fast_flush_domains Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: relay_domains ~? mynetworks Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: relay_domains ~? permit_mx_backup_networks Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: relay_domains ~? qmqpd_authorized_clients Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: relay_domains ~? relay_domains Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: user = postfix Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: password = ******** Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: dbname = postfix Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: table = postfix_domains Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: select_field = transport Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: where_field = domain Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: additional_conditions = Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: hosts = localhost Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: mysqlname_parse: /etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: adding host 'localhost' to list of mysql server hosts Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dict_open: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: permit_mx_backup_networks ~? debug_peer_list Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: permit_mx_backup_networks ~? fast_flush_domains Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: permit_mx_backup_networks ~? mynetworks Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: permit_mx_backup_networks ~? permit_mx_backup_networks Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: user = postfix Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: password = ******** Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: dbname = postfix Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: table = postfix_virtual Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: select_field = destination Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: where_field = email Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: additional_conditions = Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: hosts = localhost Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: mysqlname_parse: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: adding host 'localhost' to list of mysql server hosts Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dict_open: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dict_open: hash:/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf: user = postfix Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf: password = ******** Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf: dbname = postfix Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf: table = postfix_users Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf: select_field = maildir Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf: where_field = email Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf: additional_conditions = and postfix = 'y' Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf: hosts = localhost Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: mysqlname_parse: /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf: adding host 'localhost' to list of mysql server hosts Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dict_open: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dict_open: unix:passwd.byname Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: smtpd_access_maps ~? debug_peer_list Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: smtpd_access_maps ~? fast_flush_domains Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: smtpd_access_maps ~? mynetworks Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: smtpd_access_maps ~? permit_mx_backup_networks Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: smtpd_access_maps ~? qmqpd_authorized_clients Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: smtpd_access_maps ~? relay_domains Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: smtpd_access_maps ~? smtpd_access_maps Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: smtpd_sasl_initialize: SASL config file is smtpd.conf Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: fast_flush_domains ~? debug_peer_list Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: fast_flush_domains ~? fast_flush_domains Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: watchdog_create: 0x808b968 18000 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: watchdog_stop: 0x808b968 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: watchdog_start: 0x808b968 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: connection established Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: master_notify: status 0 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: name_mask: resource Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: name_mask: software Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: name_mask: noanonymous Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: connect from dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4] Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_list_match: dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com: no match Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_list_match: 200.59.45.4: no match Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_list_match: dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com: no match Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_list_match: 200.59.45.4: no match Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: > dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: 220 news.example.com ESMTP Postfix Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: watchdog_pat: 0x808b968 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: < dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: EHLO dnsba.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: > dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: 250-news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: > dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: 250-PIPELINING Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: > dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: 250-SIZE 10240000 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: > dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: 250-VRFY Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: > dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: 250-ETRN Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: > dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: > dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: 250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_list_match: dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com: no match Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_list_match: 200.59.45.4: no match Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: > dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: 250 8BITMIME Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: watchdog_pat: 0x808b968 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: < dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: MAIL FROM: SIZE=1390 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: extract_addr: input: Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: smtpd_check_addr: addr=parturi at domain_sender.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: connect to subsystem private/rewrite Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: send attr request = rewrite Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: send attr rule = canonicalize Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: send attr address = parturi at domain_sender.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: address Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: address Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute value: parturi at domain_sender.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: (list terminator) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: (end) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: rewrite_clnt: canonicalize: parturi at domain_sender.com -> parturi at domain_sender.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: send attr request = resolve Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: send attr address = parturi at domain_sender.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: transport Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: transport Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute value: smtp Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: nexthop Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: nexthop Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute value: domain_sender.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: recipient Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: recipient Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute value: parturi at domain_sender.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: flags Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: flags Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute value: 4096 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: (list terminator) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: (end) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: resolve_clnt: `parturi at domain_sender.com' -> transp=`smtp' host=`domain_sender.com' rcpt=`parturi at domain_sender.com' flags= class=default Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: ctable_locate: install entry key parturi at domain_sender.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: extract_addr: result: parturi at domain_sender.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: fsspace: .: block size 4096, blocks free 48010832 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: smtpd_check_size: blocks 4096 avail 48010832 min_free 0 msg_size_limit 10240000 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: > dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: 250 Ok Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: watchdog_pat: 0x808b968 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: < dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: RCPT TO: Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: extract_addr: input: Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: smtpd_check_addr: addr=chuchucha at news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: send attr request = rewrite Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: send attr rule = canonicalize Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: send attr address = chuchucha at news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: address Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: address Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute value: chuchucha at news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: (list terminator) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: (end) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: rewrite_clnt: canonicalize: chuchucha at news.example.com -> chuchucha at news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: send attr request = resolve Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: send attr address = chuchucha at news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: transport Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: transport Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute value: virtual Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: nexthop Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: nexthop Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute value: news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: recipient Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: recipient Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute value: chuchucha at news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: flags Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: flags Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute value: 256 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: (list terminator) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: (end) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: resolve_clnt: `chuchucha at news.example.com' -> transp=`virtual' host=`news.example.com' rcpt=`chuchucha at news.example.com' flags= class=local Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: ctable_locate: install entry key chuchucha at news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: extract_addr: result: chuchucha at news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: send attr request = rewrite Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: send attr rule = canonicalize Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: send attr address = postmaster Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: address Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: address Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute value: postmaster at news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: private/rewrite socket: wanted attribute: (list terminator) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: (end) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: rewrite_clnt: canonicalize: postmaster -> postmaster at news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: >>> START Recipient address RESTRICTIONS <<< Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: generic_checks: name=permit_sasl_authenticated Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: generic_checks: name=permit_sasl_authenticated status=0 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: generic_checks: name=permit_mynetworks Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: permit_mynetworks: dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com 200.59.45.4 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_hostname: dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com ~? 127.0.0.1/32 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_hostaddr: 200.59.45.4 ~? 127.0.0.1/32 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_hostname: dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com ~? 200.59.45.167/32 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_hostaddr: 200.59.45.4 ~? 200.59.45.167/32 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_list_match: dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com: no match Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_list_match: 200.59.45.4: no match Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: generic_checks: name=permit_mynetworks status=0 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: generic_checks: name=reject_unauth_destination Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: reject_unauth_destination: chuchucha at news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: permit_auth_destination: chuchucha at news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: ctable_locate: leave existing entry key chuchucha at news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: generic_checks: name=reject_unauth_destination status=0 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: generic_checks: name=reject_unknown_sender_domain Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: reject_unknown_address: parturi at domain_sender.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: ctable_locate: move existing entry key parturi at domain_sender.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: reject_unknown_mailhost: domain_sender.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: lookup domain_sender.com type 1 flags 0 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dns_query: domain_sender.com (A): OK Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dns_get_answer: type A for domain_sender.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: generic_checks: name=reject_unknown_sender_domain status=0 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: >>> END Recipient address RESTRICTIONS <<< Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: >>> CHECKING RECIPIENT MAPS <<< Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: ctable_locate: move existing entry key chuchucha at news.example.com Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: maps_find: recipient_canonical_maps: chuchucha at news.example.com: not found Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: maps_find: recipient_canonical_maps: chuchucha: not found Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: maps_find: recipient_canonical_maps: @news.example.com: not found Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: mail_addr_find: chuchucha at news.example.com -> (not found) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: maps_find: canonical_maps: chuchucha at news.example.com: not found Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: maps_find: canonical_maps: chuchucha: not found Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: maps_find: canonical_maps: @news.example.com: not found Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: mail_addr_find: chuchucha at news.example.com -> (not found) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dict_mysql_lookup using sql query: select destination from postfix_virtual where email = 'chuchucha at news.example.com' Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dict_mysql_get_active: attempting to connect to host localhost Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dict_mysql: successful connection to host localhost Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dict_mysql: successful query from host localhost Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dict_mysql_lookup: retrieved 0 rows Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: maps_find: virtual_alias_maps: hash:/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman(0,100): chuchucha at news.example.com = chuchucha Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: mail_addr_find: chuchucha at news.example.com -> chuchucha Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: connect to subsystem public/cleanup Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: public/cleanup socket: wanted attribute: queue_id Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: queue_id Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute value: A57F287C036 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: public/cleanup socket: wanted attribute: (list terminator) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: (end) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: send attr flags = 50 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: A57F287C036: client=dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4] Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: > dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: 250 Ok Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: watchdog_pat: 0x808b968 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: < dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: DATA Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: > dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: 354 End data with . Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: public/cleanup socket: wanted attribute: status Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/cleanup[15641]: A57F287C036: message-id=<152a01c7a8af$64e71f00$0400a8c0 at bworg196ib52so> Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: status Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute value: 0 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: public/cleanup socket: wanted attribute: reason Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: reason Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute value: (end) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: public/cleanup socket: wanted attribute: (list terminator) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: input attribute name: (end) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: > dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: 250 Ok: queued as A57F287C036 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/qmgr[30622]: A57F287C036: from=, size=1602, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: watchdog_pat: 0x808b968 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: < dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: QUIT Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: > dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4]: 221 Bye Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: disconnect from dcc-hq-host-200-59-45-4.dnsba.com[200.59.45.4] Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: master_notify: status 1 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: connection closed Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: watchdog_stop: 0x808b968 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: watchdog_start: 0x808b968 Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/virtual[15643]: A57F287C036: to=, relay=virtual, delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user: "chuchucha at news.example.com") Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/cleanup[15641]: B1FB287C038: message-id=<20070607025537.B1FB287C038 at news.example.com> Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/qmgr[30622]: B1FB287C038: from=<>, size=3344, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/qmgr[30622]: A57F287C036: removed Jun 6 23:55:38 lists postfix/smtp[15647]: B1FB287C038: to=, relay=mx1.spambrake.com[200.59.45.241], delay=1, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as 29E22120227) Jun 6 23:55:38 lists postfix/qmgr[30622]: B1FB287C038: removed Resulting in a message coming back to myself telling me: This is the Postfix program at host news.example.com. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The Postfix program : unknown user: "chuchucha at news.example.com" ****************************************** [root at lists mailman]# postconf -n ****************************************** alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes command_directory = /usr/sbin config_directory = /etc/postfix daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix debug_peer_level = 2 home_mailbox = Maildir/ html_directory = no local_recipient_maps = $alias_map $virtual_alias_maps $virtual_mailbox_maps unix:passwd.byname mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq manpage_directory = /usr/local/man mydestination = $myhostname, $transport_maps mydomain = news.example.com myhostname = news.example.com mynetworks = 127.0.0.1/32, 200.59.45.167/32 myorigin = $mydomain newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases readme_directory = no recipient_delimiter = + sample_directory = /etc/postfix sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail setgid_group = postdrop smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, reject_unknown_sender_domain smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtpd_sasl_local_domain = $myhostname smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf, hash:/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman virtual_create_maildirsize = yes virtual_gid_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-gid.cf virtual_mailbox_base = /home/vmail virtual_mailbox_limit_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailbox-limit-maps.cf virtual_mailbox_limit_override = yes virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf virtual_maildir_extended = yes virtual_maildir_limit_message = Lo siento. El mensaje no se pudo entregar debido a que el usuario excedio su capacidad en espacio. virtual_overquota_bounce = yes virtual_uid_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-uid.cf ******************************************************* [root at lists mailman]# cat /etc/mailman/aliases ******************************************************* # STANZA START: chuchucha # CREATED: Wed Jun 6 21:20:40 2007 chuchucha: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post chuchucha" chuchucha-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin chuchucha" chuchucha-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces chuchucha" chuchucha-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm chuchucha" chuchucha-join: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join chuchucha" chuchucha-leave: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave chuchucha" chuchucha-owner: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner chuchucha" chuchucha-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request chuchucha" chuchucha-subscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe chuchucha" chuchucha-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe chuchucha" # STANZA END: chuchucha *************************************************************** [root at lists mailman]# cat /etc/mailman/virtual-mailman *************************************************************** # STANZA START: chuchucha # CREATED: Wed Jun 6 21:20:40 2007 chuchucha at news.example.com chuchucha chuchucha-admin at news.example.com chuchucha-admin chuchucha-bounces at news.example.com chuchucha-bounces chuchucha-confirm at news.example.com chuchucha-confirm chuchucha-join at news.example.com chuchucha-join chuchucha-leave at news.example.com chuchucha-leave chuchucha-owner at news.example.com chuchucha-owner chuchucha-request at news.example.com chuchucha-request chuchucha-subscribe at news.example.com chuchucha-subscribe chuchucha-unsubscribe at news.example.com chuchucha-unsubscribe # STANZA END: chuchucha From jeff at jwswinc.com Thu Jun 7 07:28:29 2007 From: jeff at jwswinc.com (Jeff Williams) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:28:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> I have two different mailing lists on two different domains. One has been in >> operation for some time (shoptalk at identitypullman.com) and the other is new >> (list at rockhoundsoftball.com) > Are these domains served by the same Mailman installation? Yes. >> The added header information "(sent by list-bounces at rockhoundsoftball.com)" >> is really interfering with people's ability to receive messages as spam >> software seems to be grabbing these emails. I have compared preferences for >> both sites, and I don't know what is different. > The added information is probably added by the recipient's mail client, > not by Mailman. See > > although your symptom seems somewhat different. Well... I am a recipient to both of these lists, and this is why I can see the change. Why would my pop client change or rewrite *any* address let alone one of these but not the other? > It appears that both lists are anonymous. "Shop Talk" in the From: of > the shoptalk at identitypullman.com list comes from the description > setting on the list's General Options page. If this is set on the > other list, and it is the same Mailman, I don't know why the From: > would be different. As far as I can tell, all of the settings are identical. ______________________________________________________________________ JWSW, Incorporated http://www.jwswinc.com 509.432.1220 From manyacool81 at list.ru Thu Jun 7 10:26:18 2007 From: manyacool81 at list.ru (Elly cool) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:26:18 +0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: Elly From jreddy at bnl.gov Thu Jun 7 14:45:28 2007 From: jreddy at bnl.gov (John Reddy) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:45:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive processing problem (mmarch w/ MIME) In-Reply-To: <46674C6E.1040506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <46672875.1030608@bnl.gov> <46674C6E.1040506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <4667FDE8.6080306@bnl.gov> On 6/6/2007 8:08 PM Tokio Kikuchi said the following: >>> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 175, in >>> replace_payload_by_text >>> msg.set_payload(text, charset) >>> File "email/Message.py", line 218, in set_payload >>> File "email/Message.py", line 242, in set_charset >>> TypeError: us-ascii >> "mmarch" seems to be having trouble with the Content-Type header >> line. If I pull out that line for a given message, it is ingested, >> though it displays the full MIME text. > What exactly was the Content-Type header line ? Here's the snippit of message header. I don't see any problem with the line as is, this is how it exists in the message header. The mbox is readable by mutt (my text email reader of choice). Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_1136314441199510" MIME-Version: 1.0 If I delete these lines from the mbox, the process will continue to the next entry in the mbox and then it will fail with the same set of error messages again: Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_1136319711206230" MIME-Version: 1.0 Doesn't make much sense to me why it's having trouble ingesting MIME. -John -- John Reddy jreddy at bnl.gov (631) 344-3284 Technology Architect ITD Unix Services Brookhaven National Labs From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Jun 7 15:03:07 2007 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:03:07 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive processing problem (mmarch w/ MIME) In-Reply-To: <4667FDE8.6080306@bnl.gov> References: <46672875.1030608@bnl.gov> <46674C6E.1040506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <4667FDE8.6080306@bnl.gov> Message-ID: <4668020B.6060709@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> John Reddy wrote: >> What exactly was the Content-Type header line ? > Here's the snippit of message header. I don't see any problem with the > line as is, this is how it exists in the message header. The mbox is > readable by mutt (my text email reader of choice). > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="_----------=_1136314441199510" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > If I delete these lines from the mbox, the process will continue to the > next entry in the mbox and then it will fail with the same set of error > messages again: How about deleteing the first line (Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary) and leave the rest. > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="_----------=_1136319711206230" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Doesn't make much sense to me why it's having trouble ingesting MIME. I believe CTE should not be in the main section of message header if Content-Type is multipart. > > -John > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Jun 7 15:37:20 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:37:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive processing problem (mmarch w/ MIME) In-Reply-To: <4668020B.6060709@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <46672875.1030608@bnl.gov> <46674C6E.1040506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <4667FDE8.6080306@bnl.gov> <4668020B.6060709@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: On 6/7/07, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > I believe CTE should not be in the main section of message header if > Content-Type is multipart. In addition, would this not point to a potential bug in the "email" module that we inherit from Python (see ), as opposed to a potential bug within Mailman itself? -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From benjamin at py-soft.co.uk Thu Jun 7 15:01:46 2007 From: benjamin at py-soft.co.uk (Benjamin Donnachie) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:01:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages with Mailman 2.1 and Postfix 2.5 Virtual Mailboxes In-Reply-To: <93f118f0706051607k54a94786te933f808aa0868eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <93f118f0706051607k54a94786te933f808aa0868eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <466801BA.7040709@py-soft.co.uk> Jennifer Redman wrote: > However, the integration with Postfix -- not so good, appears to be > something to do with the Virtual Mailbox setup. If you can set aside a sub-domain for your mailing lists, eg lists.example.com, then it's worth using the sendmail mm-handler script with postfix. Download the script from http://mailman.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/mailman/trunk/mailman/contrib/mm-handler?revision=5100 Install it in /usr/local/bin, make sure it's executable by mailman. Edit the config at the top of the file. Edit postfix/main.cf as follows: relay_domains = lists.example.com # Needed for interface to mailman: transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1 Add the following to /etc/postfix/virtual: ## ## Redirect mail to the standard Mailman admin addresses to the ## master admin address. (Midway.uchicago.edu is our site's central ## mail-routing server, and it carries aliases for maintenance groups. ## Not a good plan to entrust Mailman maintenance mail to Mailman.) ## mailman at lists.example.com mailman-owner at example.com mailman-owner at lists.example.com mailman-owner at example.com ## ## These addresses are required or recommended either by convention ## or by RFC 2142, "Mailbox Names for Common Services, Roles and ## Functions". Honor them. ## MAILER-DAEMON at lists.example.com mailman-owner at example.com postmaster at lists.example.com mailman-owner at example.com webmaster at lists.example.com mailman-owner at example.com abuse at lists.example.com mailman-owner at example.com root at lists.example.com mailman-owner at example.com Make sure that mailman-owner is aliased to an admin account. Create the file /etc/postfix/transport as follows: lists.example.com mailman:example.com Add the following to postfix/master.cf: mailman unix - n n - - pipe flags=FRu user=mailman:mailman argv=/usr/local/bin/mm-handler ${nexthop} ${user} -r $sender Run postmap /etc/postfix/transport, postmap /etc/postfix/virtual and restart postfix. Edit the mailman config file mm_cfg.py to include: MTA = None I know it's a bit more complicated initially, but with this set up this is it! :-) There are other way of achieving this but none, in my opinion, are as good as mm-handler. See the link [1] to decide whether mm-handler is suitable for your site. As you use postfix, you might also want to install the Postfix XVERP patch - see [2] for the patch and [3] for details of config options. (You'll also need to add smtpd_authorized_verp_clients = 127.0.0.1 to /etc/postfix/main.cf) Take care, Ben [1] http://mailman.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/mailman/trunk/mailman/contrib/README.mm-handler?view=markup [2] https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=869638&group_id=103&atid=300103 [3] https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=731100&group_id=103 From jreddy at bnl.gov Thu Jun 7 15:46:08 2007 From: jreddy at bnl.gov (John Reddy) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:46:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive processing problem (mmarch w/ MIME) In-Reply-To: References: <46672875.1030608@bnl.gov> <46674C6E.1040506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <4667FDE8.6080306@bnl.gov> <4668020B.6060709@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <46680C20.80103@bnl.gov> On 6/7/2007 9:37 AM Brad Knowles said the following: > In addition, would this not point to a potential bug in the "email" > module that we inherit from Python (see > ), as opposed to a > potential bug within Mailman itself? This may be the case. This system was recently (a couple of months ago) upgraded to the 64bit Debian. It could be a problem within one of the packages, either mailman or python. -John -- John Reddy jreddy at bnl.gov (631) 344-3284 Technology Architect ITD Unix Services Brookhaven National Labs From jreddy at bnl.gov Thu Jun 7 15:46:32 2007 From: jreddy at bnl.gov (John Reddy) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:46:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive processing problem (mmarch w/ MIME) In-Reply-To: <4668020B.6060709@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <46672875.1030608@bnl.gov> <46674C6E.1040506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <4667FDE8.6080306@bnl.gov> <4668020B.6060709@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <46680C38.2010600@bnl.gov> On 6/7/2007 9:03 AM Tokio Kikuchi said the following: > John Reddy wrote: > >>> What exactly was the Content-Type header line ? >> Here's the snippit of message header. I don't see any problem with >> the line as is, this is how it exists in the message header. The >> mbox is readable by mutt (my text email reader of choice). >> >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="_----------=_1136314441199510" >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> >> If I delete these lines from the mbox, the process will continue to >> the next entry in the mbox and then it will fail with the same set of >> error messages again: > How about deleteing the first line (Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary) > and leave the rest. Removing the Content-Transfer-Encoding header doesn't resolve the problem. Only removing the Content-Type header does. It's not that the mails suddenly changed. We have dozens of mailing lists with mbox files going back a couple of years. It's just that I've been looking into this recently and just noticed it. -John -- John Reddy jreddy at bnl.gov (631) 344-3284 Technology Architect ITD Unix Services Brookhaven National Labs From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Jun 7 16:20:45 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive processing problem (mmarch w/ MIME) In-Reply-To: <46680C20.80103@bnl.gov> References: <46672875.1030608@bnl.gov> <46674C6E.1040506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <4667FDE8.6080306@bnl.gov> <4668020B.6060709@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <46680C20.80103@bnl.gov> Message-ID: On 6/7/07, John Reddy wrote: > This may be the case. This system was recently (a couple of months ago) > upgraded to the 64bit Debian. It could be a problem within one of the > packages, either mailman or python. Now that you remind me that this is Debian and you're using the packaged version of Mailman, I am having this vague feeling that we've run into problems before with Debian and the way they handle (mishandle) the email module within Python. I'm not sure this is related, but check out the thread at . If this does turn out to be related, then it sounds like we have another issue to put into the FAQ Wizard. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From msapiro at value.net Thu Jun 7 16:31:36 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:31:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive processing problem (mmarch w/ MIME) In-Reply-To: <46680C38.2010600@bnl.gov> Message-ID: John Reddy wrote: >Removing the Content-Transfer-Encoding header doesn't resolve the >problem. Only removing the Content-Type header does. It's not that the >mails suddenly changed. We have dozens of mailing lists with mbox files >going back a couple of years. It's just that I've been looking into >this recently and just noticed it. What are all the sub-part Content-* headers in this message? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov Thu Jun 7 17:48:22 2007 From: b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov (Barry Finkel) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:48:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive processing problem (mmarch w/ MIME) In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Brad Knowles ' dated: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:20:45 -0500 Message-ID: <200706071548.l57FmMt3009972@britaine.ctd.anl.gov> On 6/7/07, John Reddy wrote: >> This may be the case. This system was recently (a couple of months ago) >> upgraded to the 64bit Debian. It could be a problem within one of the >> packages, either mailman or python. And Brad Knowles replied: >Now that you remind me that this is Debian and you're using the >packaged version of Mailman, I am having this vague feeling that >we've run into problems before with Debian and the way they handle >(mishandle) the email module within Python. > >I'm not sure this is related, but check out the thread at >. > >If this does turn out to be related, then it sounds like we have >another issue to put into the FAQ Wizard. Because I had no idea exactly what source I was using when I first installed Mailman 2.1.5+ on Ubuntu (based on Debian), I decided that I had to use the current 2.1.9 source. My management wanted a package install, so I built a package from the 2.1.9 source. It was not difficult. I had to determine how to tell the package not to remove the pythonlib library, which, in my case, was not empty. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 From benjamin at py-soft.co.uk Thu Jun 7 18:13:36 2007 From: benjamin at py-soft.co.uk (Benjamin Donnachie) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:13:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages with Mailman 2.1 and Postfix 2.5 Virtual Mailboxes In-Reply-To: <466801BA.7040709@py-soft.co.uk> References: <93f118f0706051607k54a94786te933f808aa0868eb@mail.gmail.com> <466801BA.7040709@py-soft.co.uk> Message-ID: <46682EB0.8010509@py-soft.co.uk> Benjamin Donnachie wrote: > If you can set aside a sub-domain for your mailing lists, eg > lists.example.com, then it's worth using the sendmail mm-handler script > with postfix. I've just written a very simple script which I use as a cronjob to keep a postfix access map of current lists up-to-date. Thus avoiding potential backscatter with the listhost domain. If you adopt the mm-handler method, please let me know if you'd like a copy. Take care, Ben From marcy.setter at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 18:01:00 2007 From: marcy.setter at gmail.com (Marcy Setter) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:01:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question Message-ID: <46682bbd.5e39152f.24e6.ffffa44e@mx.google.com> I'm with a non-profit and looking at replacements for Lyris List manager. Does Mailman offer a web interface option to read messages as well as individual emails? Thank you, Marcy From pdbogen at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 21:43:57 2007 From: pdbogen at gmail.com (Patrick Bogen) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:43:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Newbie Question In-Reply-To: <6fbe3da00706071243h7bfa9caic64d2de02a681622@mail.gmail.com> References: <46682bbd.5e39152f.24e6.ffffa44e@mx.google.com> <6fbe3da00706071243h7bfa9caic64d2de02a681622@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6fbe3da00706071243j15144eeav511dcfd103f4cbf6@mail.gmail.com> Forgot reply-to-all. Sorry for duplicates. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Patrick Bogen Date: Jun 7, 2007 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question To: Marcy Setter On 6/7/07, Marcy Setter wrote: > I'm with a non-profit and looking at replacements for Lyris List manager. > Does Mailman offer a web interface option to read messages as well as > individual emails? For reading, yes. You can review the archives, and (with a bit more work) incorporate a search function into them. Note that there is no mechanism for SENDING mail to the list using a website (you'd have to use something else, such as a web-based email solution, like Horde or Squirrelmail.) -- - Patrick Bogen -- - Patrick Bogen From jenred at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 01:30:02 2007 From: jenred at gmail.com (Jennifer Redman) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:30:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages with Mailman 2.1 and Postfix 2.5 Virtual Mailboxes In-Reply-To: <466801BA.7040709@py-soft.co.uk> References: <93f118f0706051607k54a94786te933f808aa0868eb@mail.gmail.com> <466801BA.7040709@py-soft.co.uk> Message-ID: <93f118f0706071630w7e2a14f2h6c11a8557274fd11@mail.gmail.com> Your script and instructions work beautifully. Had to change a few paths and kept getting a no module error when I added MTA = None -- easy configuration compared to the other method I was attempting. Thanks Ben! Jen On 6/7/07, Benjamin Donnachie wrote: > > Jennifer Redman wrote: > > However, the integration with Postfix -- not so good, appears to be > > something to do with the Virtual Mailbox setup. > > If you can set aside a sub-domain for your mailing lists, eg > lists.example.com, then it's worth using the sendmail mm-handler script > with postfix. > > Download the script from > > http://mailman.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/mailman/trunk/mailman/contrib/mm-handler?revision=5100 > > Install it in /usr/local/bin, make sure it's executable by mailman. > Edit the config at the top of the file. > > Edit postfix/main.cf as follows: > > relay_domains = lists.example.com > # Needed for interface to mailman: > transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport > mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1 > > > Add the following to /etc/postfix/virtual: > > ## > ## Redirect mail to the standard Mailman admin addresses to the > ## master admin address. (Midway.uchicago.edu is our site's central > ## mail-routing server, and it carries aliases for maintenance groups. > ## Not a good plan to entrust Mailman maintenance mail to Mailman.) > ## > mailman at lists.example.com mailman-owner at example.com > mailman-owner at lists.example.com mailman-owner at example.com > > ## > ## These addresses are required or recommended either by convention > ## or by RFC 2142, "Mailbox Names for Common Services, Roles and > ## Functions". Honor them. > ## > MAILER-DAEMON at lists.example.com mailman-owner at example.com > postmaster at lists.example.com mailman-owner at example.com > webmaster at lists.example.com mailman-owner at example.com > abuse at lists.example.com mailman-owner at example.com > root at lists.example.com mailman-owner at example.com > > Make sure that mailman-owner is aliased to an admin account. > > Create the file /etc/postfix/transport as follows: > > lists.example.com mailman:example.com > > Add the following to postfix/master.cf: > > mailman unix - n n - - pipe > flags=FRu user=mailman:mailman > argv=/usr/local/bin/mm-handler ${nexthop} ${user} -r $sender > > > Run postmap /etc/postfix/transport, postmap /etc/postfix/virtual and > restart postfix. > > Edit the mailman config file mm_cfg.py to include: > > MTA = None > > > I know it's a bit more complicated initially, but with this set up this > is it! :-) There are other way of achieving this but none, in my > opinion, are as good as mm-handler. > > See the link [1] to decide whether mm-handler is suitable for your site. > > As you use postfix, you might also want to install the Postfix XVERP > patch - see [2] for the patch and [3] for details of config options. > (You'll also need to add smtpd_authorized_verp_clients = 127.0.0.1 to > /etc/postfix/main.cf) > > Take care, > > Ben > > > [1] > > http://mailman.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/mailman/trunk/mailman/contrib/README.mm-handler?view=markup > [2] > > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=869638&group_id=103&atid=300103 > [3] > > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=731100&group_id=103 > From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 8 02:33:42 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:33:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages with Mailman 2.1 and Postfix2.5 Virtual Mailboxes In-Reply-To: <93f118f0706071630w7e2a14f2h6c11a8557274fd11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jennifer Redman wrote: > >Had to change a few paths and kept getting a no module error when I added >MTA = None -- easy configuration compared to the other method I was >attempting. I assume you figured it out, but if not, it must be MTA = None and not MTA = 'None' -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jenred at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 03:18:56 2007 From: jenred at gmail.com (Jennifer Redman) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:18:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages with Mailman 2.1 and Postfix2.5 Virtual Mailboxes In-Reply-To: References: <93f118f0706071630w7e2a14f2h6c11a8557274fd11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93f118f0706071818h195d88ffi6de80575f4c075b6@mail.gmail.com> I did originally make the MTA = 'None' mistake. Thanks for your help as well Mark. Jen On 6/7/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Jennifer Redman wrote: > > > >Had to change a few paths and kept getting a no module error when I added > >MTA = None -- easy configuration compared to the other method I was > >attempting. > > > I assume you figured it out, but if not, it must be > > MTA = None > > and not > > MTA = 'None' > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 8 03:50:26 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:50:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff Williams wrote: > >Well... I am a recipient to both of these lists, and this is why I can see >the change. Why would my pop client change or rewrite *any* address let >alone one of these but not the other? Ask Bill Gates :-) >> It appears that both lists are anonymous. "Shop Talk" in the From: of >> the shoptalk at identitypullman.com list comes from the description >> setting on the list's General Options page. If this is set on the >> other list, and it is the same Mailman, I don't know why the From: >> would be different. > >As far as I can tell, all of the settings are identical. I don't understand why there is no 'real name' (from the list's description) in the From: address of the list at rockhoundsoftball.com posts. I also don't understand why one list would get the "(sent by list-bounces at rockhoundsoftball.com)" added and the other not, but mailman is not adding this to either list's posts. Both list's posts are sent by the corresponding -bounces address and contain Sender: and Errors-To: headers with the -bounces address. Sometimes outgoing MTAs rewrite From: headers if the domain in From: is a CNAME, but I looked at your DNS entries and that is not the case here I don't understand just where this From: is getting munged and what is causing it and why it happens only to one list, but I'm sure it is not Mailman that's doing it. Are these two domains treated differently by the outgoing MTA? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From root at home.mbg.it Fri Jun 8 03:32:36 2007 From: root at home.mbg.it (Gio MBG Canepa (root)) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 03:32:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail from GioMBG > Move and rename a list to new hostname and rebuilt old archive into new-list-name Message-ID: <200706080332.36558.root@home.mbg.it> Hi All! It's GioMBG from 9Records.com writing (a very happy mailman user) The question: I have built now my new fedora moonshine and I have changed the host name: from > home.mbg.it > to > home.9records.com I woul like to rename my old list > 9records > to > mailman so to do email to list like > mailman at home.9records.com suggestions? many thanks 2 all and BIG Respect to Mark Sapiro Kindly GioMBG -- Gi? "MBG" Canepa - E Mail: mbg a mbg.it Phone & Fax +39 0541 985 737 - Mobile +39 393 33 567 07 http://www.mbg.it | http://www.9Records.com Snail mail P.O. Box 59 / 47838 Riccione Italy From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 8 04:22:57 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:22:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail from GioMBG > Move and rename a list to newhostname and rebuilt old archive into new-list-name In-Reply-To: <200706080332.36558.root@home.mbg.it> Message-ID: Gio MBG Canepa (root) wrote: >I woul like to rename my old list > 9records > to > mailman >so to do email to list like > mailman at home.9records.com >suggestions? See . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 16:30:42 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:30:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default Languages Message-ID: Is it possible to have the admin interface for a list in 1 language, English, and have the user interface a different language, French, using 2.1.6 or 2.1.9? The only thing I can come up with is to actually change the language of the list to French, and edit the translation file and remove the translations for the Admin interface so that it gets displayed in the default text, which is English. Is there an easier way to do this? -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 8 17:16:54 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:16:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default Languages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bryan Carbonnell wrote: >Is it possible to have the admin interface for a list in 1 language, >English, and have the user interface a different language, French, >using 2.1.6 or 2.1.9? > >The only thing I can come up with is to actually change the language >of the list to French, and edit the translation file and remove the >translations for the Admin interface so that it gets displayed in the >default text, which is English. > >Is there an easier way to do this? I'm not sure if this is what you wan't, but you can set the list's default language to English, and make sure that French is an available language. Then users can set their preferred language to French. The tricky part is setting the default language for a new member to French. This would require implementing a new list attribute, e.g., default_member_language, or a really ugly hack to Mailman/MailList.py in the ApprovedAddMember() method. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 17:29:55 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:29:55 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default Languages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/8/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > > >Is it possible to have the admin interface for a list in 1 language, > >English, and have the user interface a different language, French, > >using 2.1.6 or 2.1.9? > > > >The only thing I can come up with is to actually change the language > >of the list to French, and edit the translation file and remove the > >translations for the Admin interface so that it gets displayed in the > >default text, which is English. > > > >Is there an easier way to do this? > > > I'm not sure if this is what you wan't, but you can set the list's > default language to English, and make sure that French is an available > language. Then users can set their preferred language to French. > > The tricky part is setting the default language for a new member to > French. This would require implementing a new list attribute, e.g., > default_member_language, or a really ugly hack to Mailman/MailList.py > in the ApprovedAddMember() method. I don't want the user to have a choice in their default language. Here is the problem I have been running into, with the choice of English and French, when there user confirms their subscription, the confirmation page is in English, because that is the default. The user never gets a chance to see the confirmation in French. That is why I was looking for a way to have my cake and eat it too :) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 8 18:14:17 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:14:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default Languages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > >I don't want the user to have a choice in their default language. > >Here is the problem I have been running into, with the choice of >English and French, when there user confirms their subscription, the >confirmation page is in English, because that is the default. > >The user never gets a chance to see the confirmation in French. To address the confirmation page, you could apply the following patch to Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py --- Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py 2007-05-07 15:34:26.593750000 -0700 +++ Mailman/Cgi/confirmx.py 2007-06-08 08:47:46.000000000 -0700 @@ -66,8 +66,12 @@ return # Set the language for the list - i18n.set_language(mlist.preferred_language) - doc.set_language(mlist.preferred_language) + try: + p_l = mlist.default_user_language + except NameError: + p_l = mlist.preferred_language + i18n.set_language(p_l) + doc.set_language(p_l) # Get the form data to see if this is a second-step confirmation cgidata = cgi.FieldStorage(keep_blank_values=1) You could than use bin/withlist or the following shell script to set default_user_language for the target list. #! /bin/bash tf=`mktemp` echo mlist.default_user_language = \'fr\' > $tf bin/config_list -i $tf listname rm $tf You could also patch the the ApprovedAddMember() method in Mailman/MailList.py in a similar way the set the member's language if desired. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 19:23:59 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:23:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default Languages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/8/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > > > >I don't want the user to have a choice in their default language. > > > >Here is the problem I have been running into, with the choice of > >English and French, when there user confirms their subscription, the > >confirmation page is in English, because that is the default. > > > >The user never gets a chance to see the confirmation in French. > > > To address the confirmation page, you could apply the following patch > to Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py Thanks Mark, I'll give this a shot and report back -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From jeffs at tolisgroup.com Fri Jun 8 19:48:15 2007 From: jeffs at tolisgroup.com (Jeff Shepherd) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:48:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complete List... Message-ID: <54CA8C00-F22B-427F-83E9-B8195AF30E4E@tolisgroup.com> Hello, I'm relatively new to Mailman (switching from ezmlm) and I'm curious if there is a way (outside of the command line) if you can view a listing of a complete list to be able to print it for hard copy reasons, so that you don't have to print 26 different ones? I figured out how to do that in the command line (/usr/lib/mailman/ bin/list_memers [listname]) but most of the company management doesn't know the command line and I'm trying to take the step of them having to go through me to export the list in the command line and give them the ability to do it themselves. Thanks for the help! -Jeff From mbomgardner at kletc.org Fri Jun 8 19:52:25 2007 From: mbomgardner at kletc.org (Mark Bomgardner) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:52:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement List Message-ID: <00e501c7a9f5$c5eec630$51cc5290$@org> I am using Mailman 2.1.9 with an announcement list. I don't want to use the moderated option, so I am using the Approved: option. The problem is that this shows up in the announcement. Can this be removed and still allow the message to go through? markb From b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov Fri Jun 8 21:06:05 2007 From: b19141 at britaine.ctd.anl.gov (Barry Finkel) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:06:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complete List... In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Jeff Shepherd ' dated: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:48:15 -0700 Message-ID: <200706081906.l58J651s020335@britaine.ctd.anl.gov> Jeff Shepherd wrote: >Hello, >I'm relatively new to Mailman (switching from ezmlm) and I'm curious >if there is a way (outside of the command line) if you can view a >listing of a complete list to be able to print it for hard copy >reasons, so that you don't have to print 26 different ones? > >I figured out how to do that in the command line (/usr/lib/mailman/ >bin/list_memers [listname]) but most of the company management >doesn't know the command line and I'm trying to take the step of them >having to go through me to export the list in the command line and >give them the ability to do it themselves. I wrote a shell script that essentially does #!/bin/csh foreach list (`ls /var/lib/mailman/lists`) /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members $list end does some reformatting, and stores the file on the Mailman machine. The output has -------- listname1 user1 at example.com ... -------- listname2 user2 at example.com ... -------- so it can be searched by listname or e-mail address. I run the cron every hour. The list of all subscribers to all lists is available to those who have access to the Mailman machine. Something like that might suit your needs. Depending upon the frequency of subscribes and unsubscribes, you could run it more frequently. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 From gilmore.126 at osu.edu Fri Jun 8 21:54:25 2007 From: gilmore.126 at osu.edu (Melinda Gilmore) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:54:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no subscribers Message-ID: <008301c7aa06$d13a19c0$6ef39280@oitlan.oit.ohiostate.edu> Help! We just had a strange thing happen, a lists subscribers were all removed and no mail was going out. If there are not subscribers where does the mail go? I have looked in all the logs and it looks like the mail was sent. However, it seems to go into la la land. User wants to know if the mail is kept somewhere where we can retrieve. Not where that mail is? Any guidance would be appreciated. Melinda Gilmore Systems Engineer OIT/Enterprise Messaging 614-292-4953 From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 8 21:57:46 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:57:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complete List... In-Reply-To: <54CA8C00-F22B-427F-83E9-B8195AF30E4E@tolisgroup.com> Message-ID: Jeff Shepherd wrote: >I'm relatively new to Mailman (switching from ezmlm) and I'm curious >if there is a way (outside of the command line) if you can view a >listing of a complete list to be able to print it for hard copy >reasons, so that you don't have to print 26 different ones? See and also . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 8 22:07:27 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:07:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no subscribers In-Reply-To: <008301c7aa06$d13a19c0$6ef39280@oitlan.oit.ohiostate.edu> Message-ID: Melinda Gilmore wrote: >Help! We just had a strange thing happen, a lists subscribers were all >removed and no mail was going out. If there are not subscribers where does >the mail go? I have looked in all the logs and it looks like the mail was >sent. However, it seems to go into la la land. If a list has no members, no post is sent. What did you see in what log? You might have seen a reject of an attempted post. >User wants to know if the mail is kept somewhere where we can retrieve. Not >where that mail is? Any guidance would be appreciated. Assuming archiving is enabled for the list, a post will be in the list's archive. With default archiving settings, a copy of the message is also in the archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file. If the list is digestable, even if there are no members, the post will be added to lists/listname/digest.mbox, but this file is deleted when periodic or size triggered digests are processed, and with no members, no digest will be sent. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 8 22:21:13 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:21:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement List In-Reply-To: <00e501c7a9f5$c5eec630$51cc5290$@org> Message-ID: Mark Bomgardner wrote: >I am using Mailman 2.1.9 with an announcement list. I don't want to use the >moderated option, so I am using the Approved: option. The >problem is that this shows up in the announcement. Can this be removed and >still allow the message to go through? If you post with an actual Approved: header, Mailman will remove it. If you post with an Approved: line as the first non-blank line in the first text/plain part of the message, it will be removed from that part and an attempt will be made to remove it from other text/* parts of the message (e.g. from the text/html alternative of a multipart/alternative message). This attempt does not always succeed. In particular, if the poster's MUA creates a multipart/alternative message and because of additional or whatever tags, the Approved: gets split across lines in the raw HTML, it won't be removed. The best solution is to post with an actual header or post plain text only. See the thread at for more on this. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From scry_mr at yahoo.ca Sat Jun 9 01:28:55 2007 From: scry_mr at yahoo.ca (Juan Miscaro) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] removed subcribers still there Message-ID: <332322.41645.qm@web63910.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I have removed a lot of stale subscribers from my lists with the command $ remove_members --fromall $ mailmanctl stop $ mailmanctl start I have also restarted my MTA (postfix). Nevertheless, my mail logs continue to show sending attempts to the removed addresses. The peculiarity here is that the subscribers happen to reside on my own internal domain. The accounts however do not exist. As expected, when I search for the recipients I see in my mail logs I do not find them: $ find_member .*\@example.com$ What's happening? I am running Mailman 2.1.8 on OpenBSD 4.0 with Postfix 2.3.2. Juan Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Jun 9 01:36:47 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 18:36:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removed subcribers still there In-Reply-To: <332322.41645.qm@web63910.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <332322.41645.qm@web63910.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/8/07, Juan Miscaro wrote: > Nevertheless, my mail logs continue to show sending attempts to the > removed addresses. It sounds to me like those messages were already delivered by Mailman to your MTA, and your MTA is continuing to try to deliver those messages. > As expected, when I search for the recipients I see in my mail logs I > do not find them: > > $ find_member .*\@example.com$ They may be listed as local subscribers without a domain portion. Try doing a "find_member" based on the user portion of the name. That's assuming that you've got new messages that are still coming out of Mailman and being delivered to the MTA, for these customers. This could also be a problem with mail forwarding. If you turn on personalization, the return address for each outgoing message will have the original recipient name encoded in it, and that can help you figure out where the messages are originally being addressed. > What's happening? I am running Mailman 2.1.8 on OpenBSD 4.0 with > Postfix 2.3.2. You might want to upgrade to Mailman 2.1.9, since there was a known security vulnerability with version 2.1.8. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From msapiro at value.net Sat Jun 9 01:46:05 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:46:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removed subcribers still there In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: >On 6/8/07, Juan Miscaro wrote: > >> Nevertheless, my mail logs continue to show sending attempts to the >> removed addresses. > >It sounds to me like those messages were already delivered by Mailman >to your MTA, and your MTA is continuing to try to deliver those >messages. > Another possibility is that for these non-existent local addresses The local outgoing MTA is reporting an error at SMTP time that Mailman thinks is retryable causing mailman to queue the message in its 'retry' queue for later retry. What's in Mailman's smtp and smtp-failure logs and Mailman's qfiles/retry directory? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jobfile at media-alliance.org Sat Jun 9 03:12:24 2007 From: jobfile at media-alliance.org (Media Alliance JobFile) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:12:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] does mailman filter Message-ID: <4669FE78.30408@media-alliance.org> I have been sending an email to my list with the same subject, and it does not go to "pending moderator requests." I have tried about 10 times, and I am thinking it might be blocking me because it thinks I am spamming. Is this a possibility? My email is a job list, so it probably contains many spammy elements, like repetition and similar format. It is mostly plaintext with a bold here and there. Any help is appreciated. From msapiro at value.net Sat Jun 9 03:52:30 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 18:52:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] does mailman filter In-Reply-To: <4669FE78.30408@media-alliance.org> Message-ID: Media Alliance JobFile wrote: >I have been sending an email to my list with the same subject, and it >does not go to "pending moderator requests." Do you have access to Mailman's logs? If so, check Mailman's vette log. Also see for general troubleshooting. >I have tried about 10 times, and I am thinking it might be blocking me >because it thinks I am spamming. Is this a possibility? Yes, see Privacy options...->Spam filters in the list's admin interface. >My email is a job list, so it probably contains many spammy elements, >like repetition and similar format. It is mostly plaintext with a bold >here and there. Any help is appreciated. Mailman's spam filtering is based only on headers, not body contents, although it is possible the list's Content filtering is deleting all the message body parts, e.g. if the post is an HTML only message and the list doesn't accepot text/html parts. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From scry_mr at yahoo.ca Sat Jun 9 13:02:55 2007 From: scry_mr at yahoo.ca (Juan Miscaro) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 07:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] removed subcribers still there In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <908308.69524.qm@web63915.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- Mark Sapiro wrote: > Brad Knowles wrote: > > >On 6/8/07, Juan Miscaro wrote: > > > >> Nevertheless, my mail logs continue to show sending attempts to > the > >> removed addresses. > > > >It sounds to me like those messages were already delivered by > Mailman > >to your MTA, and your MTA is continuing to try to deliver those > >messages. My MTA is rejecting with a 550 (user does not exist): Jun 9 06:46:32 paladin postfix/smtpd[24327]: 096FCC4408: reject: RCPT from localhost[127.0.0.1]: 550 5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= > Another possibility is that for these non-existent local addresses > The > local outgoing MTA is reporting an error at SMTP time that Mailman > thinks is retryable causing mailman to queue the message in its > 'retry' queue for later retry. > What's in Mailman's smtp and smtp-failure logs and Mailman's > qfiles/retry directory? Indeed I did find related data in these places. $ tail -1 smtp Jun 09 06:46:35 2007 (10585) <20070604205900.3839FC43EC at mail.example.com> smtp to list for 500 recips, completed in 123.168 seconds $ tail -600 smtp-failure | grep example Jun 09 06:46:35 2007 (10585) delivery to user at example.com failed with code -1: Connection unexpectedly closed $ ls qfiles/retry/ total 340 -rw-rw---- 1 _mailman _mailman 168K Jun 9 06:46 1180990742.5870631+624e43c97588e6d1b02021804f85513e7a31e195.pck What can I do to stop this delivery? Just delete the .pck file? Thank you very much. Juan Make free worldwide PC-to-PC calls. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger with Voice at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/ From stephen at xemacs.org Sat Jun 9 13:56:23 2007 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 20:56:23 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removed subcribers still there In-Reply-To: <908308.69524.qm@web63915.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <908308.69524.qm@web63915.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87zm39fijc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Juan Miscaro writes: > My MTA is rejecting with a 550 (user does not exist): No, it would appear that it is in an error state, closing the connection before receiving and acknowledging a QUIT command (required by RFC 2821, section 4.1.1.10): > $ tail -600 smtp-failure | grep example > Jun 09 06:46:35 2007 (10585) delivery to user at example.com failed with > code -1: Connection unexpectedly closed RFC 2821 requires that the sender (mailman) treat this as a temporary failure of the "command or transaction". The receiving MTA may think that the RCPT TO command has succeeded (in the sense of having sent a valid response, even though it's a failure response), I guess, but it's not obvious to me that Mailman necessarily gets the 550. This is arguably a bug in Mailman (if it actually sees the 550 response), but it's definitely buggy and very error-prone behavior on the part of the MTA. You might want to get one that's a little more conformant with the spirit of the RFCs. > -rw-rw---- 1 _mailman _mailman 168K Jun 9 06:46 > 1180990742.5870631+624e43c97588e6d1b02021804f85513e7a31e195.pck > > What can I do to stop this delivery? Just delete the .pck file? Deleting the .pck file should do the trick. From msapiro at value.net Sun Jun 10 03:25:24 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:25:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Improved processing of Approve(d): lines - was: Announcement List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Sapiro wrote: > >If you post with an Approved: line as the first non-blank line in the >first text/plain part of the message, it will be removed from that >part and an attempt will be made to remove it from other text/* parts >of the message (e.g. from the text/html alternative of a >multipart/alternative message). This attempt does not always succeed. >In particular, if the poster's MUA creates a multipart/alternative >message and because of additional or whatever tags, the >Approved: gets split across lines in the raw HTML, it won't >be removed. I have implemented an enhancement to the module (Mailman/Handlers/Approve.py) that looks for and removes Approve(d): lines. The enhancement should resolve the failed attempts at removal. The new code has been checked in to SVN and will be in the next release of Mailman. If you need this funcionality, the module can be obtained at . This module should work in any Mailman 2.1.x version. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From benjamin at py-soft.co.uk Sun Jun 10 16:08:30 2007 From: benjamin at py-soft.co.uk (Benjamin Donnachie) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:08:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages with Mailman 2.1 and Postfix 2.5 Virtual Mailboxes In-Reply-To: <93f118f0706071630w7e2a14f2h6c11a8557274fd11@mail.gmail.com> References: <93f118f0706051607k54a94786te933f808aa0868eb@mail.gmail.com> <466801BA.7040709@py-soft.co.uk> <93f118f0706071630w7e2a14f2h6c11a8557274fd11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <466C05DE.2000109@py-soft.co.uk> Jennifer Redman wrote: > Your script and instructions work beautifully. Excellent stuff! :-) It's definitely a better solution in my opinion! :) > Had to change a few paths and kept getting a no module error when I added > MTA = None -- easy configuration compared to the other method I was > attempting. I kept getting that and in the end replaced it with: MTA = '' Take care, Ben From msapiro at value.net Sun Jun 10 19:01:52 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:01:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages with Mailman 2.1 and Postfix2.5 Virtual Mailboxes In-Reply-To: <466C05DE.2000109@py-soft.co.uk> Message-ID: Benjamin Donnachie wrote: > >I kept getting that and in the end replaced it with: > >MTA = '' That will work and so will MTA = 0 MTA = False MTA = [] MTA = {} MTA = x where x is one of No, no, Off or off because these are all defined as False in Defaults.py. These all work because they are either False or 0 or things that have length 0 which all evaluate as False in Python if statements. Defaults.py says: MTA should name a module in Mailman/MTA which provides the MTA specific functionality for creating and removing lists. Some MTAs like Exim can be configured to automatically recognize new lists, in which case the MTA variable should be set to None. This means MTA = None (which also evaluates as False) and not MTA = 'None' which will cause Mailman to look for the module Mailman/MTA/None.py which doesn't exist. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From benjamin at py-soft.co.uk Sun Jun 10 19:42:38 2007 From: benjamin at py-soft.co.uk (Benjamin Donnachie) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:42:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages with Mailman 2.1 and Postfix 2.5 Virtual Mailboxes In-Reply-To: <46682EB0.8010509@py-soft.co.uk> References: <93f118f0706051607k54a94786te933f808aa0868eb@mail.gmail.com> <466801BA.7040709@py-soft.co.uk> <46682EB0.8010509@py-soft.co.uk> Message-ID: <466C380E.1060001@py-soft.co.uk> Benjamin Donnachie wrote: > I've just written a very simple script which I use as a cronjob to keep > a postfix access map of current lists up-to-date. Thus avoiding > potential backscatter with the listhost domain. A copy of the script is below. You'll probably need to edit it for your site. I pipe the output to /etc/postfix/mm-handler_access. With smtpd_recipient_restrictions including "check_recipient_access regexp:/etc/postfix/mm-handler_access", in postfix's main.cf. Remembering to run postmap /etc/postfix/mm-handler_access after. The access map that it generates ensures that postfix only accepts messages for valid mailman lists and thus prevents your system from becoming a potential source of backscatter spam when using mm-handler. Take care, Ben #!/bin/bash # Generate postfix access maps for valid mailman addresses # By Benjamin Donnachie cat << EOF # # Generated `/bin/date` # # # Lists to accept: # EOF for domain in listhost.example.com listhost.example.org; do echo "# ** Domain $domain" for list in $( /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists -V $domain -b ); do cat << EOF # # * List $list # /$list@$domain/ DUNNO /$list-admin@$domain/ DUNNO /$list-bounces@$domain/ DUNNO /$list-bounces\+.*=.*\..@$domain/ DUNNO /$list-confirm@$domain/ DUNNO /$list-join@$domain/ DUNNO /$list-leave@$domain/ DUNNO /$list-owner@$domain/ DUNNO /$list-request@$domain/ DUNNO /$list-subscribe@$domain/ DUNNO /$list-unsubscribe@$domain/ DUNNO /owner-$list@$domain/ DUNNO EOF done cat << EOF # # * Administrative aliases for domain $domain # /MAILER-DAEMON@$domain/ DUNNO /postmaster@$domain/ DUNNO /webmaster@$domain/ DUNNO /abuse@$domain/ DUNNO /mailman-loop@$domain/ DUNNO # # * If not listed above, reject # /$domain/ REJECT Unknown list - see http://$domain/ # # EOF done From srb at umich.edu Mon Jun 11 00:15:13 2007 From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:15:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages with Mailman 2.1 and Postfix2.5 Virtual Mailboxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6EF2A8A7E65A2D25E0511EE5@srb.local> --On June 10, 2007 10:01:52 AM -0700 Mark Sapiro wrote: > Defaults.py says: > > MTA should name a module in Mailman/MTA which provides the MTA > specific functionality for creating and removing lists. Some MTAs > like Exim can be configured to automatically recognize new lists, > in which case the MTA variable should be set to None. To which I reply: Given the number of times that this comes up as a point of confusion, maybe that comment should read: ...in which case the MTA variable should be set to None (not 'None'). -- Steve Burling University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From msapiro at value.net Mon Jun 11 01:55:31 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:55:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default Languages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Sapiro wrote: > >To address the confirmation page, you could apply the following patch >to Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py > >--- Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py 2007-05-07 15:34:26.593750000 -0700 >+++ Mailman/Cgi/confirmx.py 2007-06-08 08:47:46.000000000 -0700 >@@ -66,8 +66,12 @@ > return > > # Set the language for the list >- i18n.set_language(mlist.preferred_language) >- doc.set_language(mlist.preferred_language) >+ try: >+ p_l = mlist.default_user_language >+ except NameError: >+ p_l = mlist.preferred_language >+ i18n.set_language(p_l) >+ doc.set_language(p_l) Sorry, brain cramp. The above patch won't quite do. It needs to be --- Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py 2007-05-07 15:34:26.593750000 -0700 +++ Mailman/Cgi/confirmx.py 2007-06-08 08:47:46.000000000 -0700 @@ -66,8 +66,12 @@ return # Set the language for the list - i18n.set_language(mlist.preferred_language) - doc.set_language(mlist.preferred_language) + try: + p_l = mlist.default_user_language + except AttributeError: + p_l = mlist.preferred_language + i18n.set_language(p_l) + doc.set_language(p_l) I.e., the exception if the list doesn't have a default_user_language attribute is AttributeError, not NameError. Sorry for any confusion. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Jun 11 02:09:10 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:09:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default Languages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Sapiro wrote: > >Sorry, brain cramp. The above patch won't quite do. It needs to be > >--- Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py 2007-05-07 15:34:26.593750000 -0700 >+++ Mailman/Cgi/confirmx.py 2007-06-08 08:47:46.000000000 -0700 >@@ -66,8 +66,12 @@ > return > > # Set the language for the list >- i18n.set_language(mlist.preferred_language) >- doc.set_language(mlist.preferred_language) >+ try: >+ p_l = mlist.default_user_language >+ except AttributeError: >+ p_l = mlist.preferred_language >+ i18n.set_language(p_l) >+ doc.set_language(p_l) > >I.e., the exception if the list doesn't have a default_user_language >attribute is AttributeError, not NameError. Wow! I seem to be having a real problem getting this right. The above patch has the correct modification in it, but I managed to not include the trailing context. The original had this problem too. Here is the complete, correct (I hope) patch. --- confirm.py 2007-05-07 15:34:26.593750000 -0700 +++ confirmx.py 2007-06-10 17:02:50.687500000 -0700 @@ -66,8 +66,12 @@ return # Set the language for the list - i18n.set_language(mlist.preferred_language) - doc.set_language(mlist.preferred_language) + try: + p_l = mlist.default_user_language + except AttributeError: + p_l = mlist.preferred_language + i18n.set_language(p_l) + doc.set_language(p_l) # Get the form data to see if this is a second-step confirmation cgidata = cgi.FieldStorage(keep_blank_values=1) -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From benjamin at py-soft.co.uk Mon Jun 11 06:27:55 2007 From: benjamin at py-soft.co.uk (Benjamin Donnachie) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 05:27:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages with Mailman 2.1 and Postfix 2.5 Virtual Mailboxes In-Reply-To: <466C380E.1060001@py-soft.co.uk> References: <93f118f0706051607k54a94786te933f808aa0868eb@mail.gmail.com> <466801BA.7040709@py-soft.co.uk> <46682EB0.8010509@py-soft.co.uk> <466C380E.1060001@py-soft.co.uk> Message-ID: <466CCF4B.30505@py-soft.co.uk> Benjamin Donnachie wrote: > /$list-bounces\+.*=.*\..@$domain/ DUNNO Ooops! That should be: /$list-bounces\+.*=.*\..*@$domain/ DUNNO Ben From picon at webmail.co.za Mon Jun 11 13:32:12 2007 From: picon at webmail.co.za (picon at webmail.co.za) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:32:12 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <35031.196.23.43.3.1181561532.squirrel@mail.webmail.co.za> Hi there I have been trying to sort out this isue for a while now and I'm not getting anywhere. Every morning I get the following yet, there are no such mails waiting. I am running mandriva 2007.0, mailman-2.1.9-1mdv2007.0 Does anyone know where to disable these? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: mailman-bounces at jhb.ucs.co.za [mailto:mailman-bounces at jhb.ucs.co.za] On Behalf Of support.specialty-bounces at jhb.ucs.co.za Sent: 22 May 2007 08:00 AM To: support.specialty-owner at jhb.ucs.co.za Subject: 3 Support.specialty moderator request(s) waiting The Support.specialty at jhb.ucs.co.za mailing list has 3 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: http://jhb.ucs.co.za/mailman/admindb/support.specialty Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. Pending posts: From: lakesvouchers at telkomsa.net on Tue Apr 10 10:08:43 2007 Subject: Date: 10/04/2007 10:05:25 Exception: LAKE CELLULAR (SiteID:5127) (Version: 2.2.12.132) Cause: Message has implicit destination From: vodacomballito at telkomsa.net on Tue Apr 10 13:07:17 2007 Subject: Date: 2007/04/10 01:06:37 PM Exception: LIFESTYLE CELLULAR (SiteID:4994) (Version: 2.2.12.133) Cause: Message has implicit destination From: active at sello.co.za on Tue Apr 10 13:59:29 2007 Subject: Date: 10/04/2007 01:58:53 PM Exception: SELLO ACTIVE CELLULAR (SiteID:5045) (Version: 2.2.12.132) Cause: Message has implicit destination ------------------------------------------- South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za ------------------------------------------------------------------ For super low premiums, click here http://www.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm From msapiro at value.net Mon Jun 11 16:53:12 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:53:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mysterious moderator requests - was: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <35031.196.23.43.3.1181561532.squirrel@mail.webmail.co.za> Message-ID: picon at webmail.co.za wrote: > >Every morning I get the following yet, there are no such mails waiting. >I am running mandriva 2007.0, mailman-2.1.9-1mdv2007.0 > >Does anyone know where to disable these? >The Support.specialty at jhb.ucs.co.za mailing list has 3 request(s) >waiting for your consideration at: > > http://jhb.ucs.co.za/mailman/admindb/support.specialty The usual cause of this is you have residue of an old or test installation that has these pending requests. In addition, there is some misconfiguration in that installation since as far as I can tell, there is no DNS A or CNAME record for jhb.ucs.co.za, only an MX and a TXT record so the jhb.ucs.co.za domain is only valid for email, not for web access. To what URL are you going to check for these requests? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From carbonnb at gmail.com Mon Jun 11 20:34:24 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:34:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default Languages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/10/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > >Sorry, brain cramp. The above patch won't quite do. It needs to be Thanks for all this Mark. Even after all this, I didn't test it. It seems that I can't touch the MM source code with this installation :( So I will have to work out a different way. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From michael at livingroutes.org Wed Jun 13 16:11:37 2007 From: michael at livingroutes.org (michael at livingroutes.org) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:11:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing email address on multiple lists Message-ID: <49347.151.203.151.115.1181743897.squirrel@mail.livingroutes.org> I work for an organization that maintains about 80 different private lists. Awhile back, we had our admissions director manually apply to all 80 lists which took her about 2 hours and she has since left the organization. Is there any way to change her email address on all the lists simultaneously? What's the best way of getting another user onto all the lists? From msapiro at value.net Wed Jun 13 16:59:28 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:59:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing email address on multiple lists In-Reply-To: <49347.151.203.151.115.1181743897.squirrel@mail.livingroutes.org> Message-ID: michael at livingroutes.org wrote: >I work for an organization that maintains about 80 different private >lists. Awhile back, we had our admissions director manually apply to all >80 lists which took her about 2 hours and she has since left the >organization. Is there any way to change her email address on all the >lists simultaneously? What's the best way of getting another user onto all >the lists? There are several ways to do this. If you know her password to any list, or the site admin password, log on to her user options page for the list. From there, you can change name and address globally (but not if you authorized with the list admin password - only the user's or site admin password works for a global change). If you have command line access to the Mailman installation, you can use bin/remove_members to remove her from all the lists with one command an then use bin/add_members in a shell script to add a new member to all lists. E.g. (for illustration only, may contain typos, you may want more options on the add_members command) #! /bin/bash file=`mktemp` echo Real Name \ > $file for list in `bin/list_lists -b` do bin/add_members -r $file $list done rm $file You might also use the withlist script at (mirrored at ) to change the address on all lists, but as it is, it won't change the name. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dbarraclough at nationtalk.ca Wed Jun 13 17:17:17 2007 From: dbarraclough at nationtalk.ca (Don Barraclough) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:17:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for contractor for Mailman maintenance/support Message-ID: <001401c7adcd$ee330350$ca9909f0$@ca> We are a for profit company that is looking for assistance with our mailing list strategy and software. Although we are not a large company we are not looking for anything for free. Situation: Our current host provides the Mailman software and we have been using it for almost one year. Lately we find that some of the emails are going out while others are not. We have placed seeds in the database to confirm this result. At first we thought it was a host issue but now we are fairly certain it is a software maintenance thing. Our larger list of 3,100 addresses were deleted and then recreated and it worked perfect for a day or two. Our smaller list of 1,000 seems to send unique headings to our seed hotmail account, but not our daily e-newsletter, although we believe most are going out in any event. Another issue we had not too long ago was when we would approve the send the emails were sent 6 to 8 hours later. Any assistance would be welcome. I can be reached day or night at the below telephone number. Thanks in advance for your attention. 1-866-651-8516 Toronto, Canada EDT From pdbogen at gmail.com Wed Jun 13 17:50:31 2007 From: pdbogen at gmail.com (Patrick Bogen) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:50:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for contractor for Mailman maintenance/support In-Reply-To: <001401c7adcd$ee330350$ca9909f0$@ca> References: <001401c7adcd$ee330350$ca9909f0$@ca> Message-ID: <6fbe3da00706130850t231f1237u380c06cb8bed7a48@mail.gmail.com> On 6/13/07, Don Barraclough wrote: > At first we thought it was a host issue but now we are fairly certain it is > a software maintenance thing. Our larger list of 3,100 addresses were > deleted and then recreated and it worked perfect for a day or two. > > Another issue we had not too long ago was when we would approve the send the > emails were sent 6 to 8 hours later. This sounds like a rate-limiting situation. You might check with your Mailman host to see if they limit in any way the number of messages that can be sent per minute, hour, day, etc. -- - Patrick Bogen From roberto at leibman.net Wed Jun 13 18:44:51 2007 From: roberto at leibman.net (Roberto Leibman) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:44:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with virtual domains on postfix... Message-ID: <46701F03.6040006@leibman.net> Help! I can't get my list to work. For some reason postfix keeps redirecting email sent to the list to the non-list domain. Thanks for you help... Roberto ---------------------------- Details: The List: lug-nuts at saclug.org The "Real" Domain: leibmanland.com The message from a bounced back message sent to lug-nuts at saclug.org: : data format error. Command output: lug-nuts: Mailbox does not exist The postfix message (from mail.log) 6ADC07040E6: to=, orig_to=, relay=spamassassin, delay=2.4, delays=0.12/0.01/0/2.3, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via spamassassin service) --------------------------- The configuration: Environment: Ubuntu feisty running on an AMD64. Postfix version: 2.3.8. Mailman (2.1.9... I think) Excerpts from /etc/postfix/main.cf alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases mydestination = localhost, localhost.localdomain, localhost, mail, mail.leibmanland.com, [69.62.235.30] virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman virtual_mailbox_domains=leibmanland.com list.saclug.org placerliberty.org freezlets.com leibman.net mail.leibman.net byrongalvez.com mail.freezlets.com mail.byrongalvez.com lpsacramento.com mail.lpsacramento.com lpsacramento.org mail.lpsacramento.org saclug.org owner_request_special=no allow_mail_to_commands = alias mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1 Excerpts from /etc/postfix/master.cf mailman unix - n n - - pipe flags=FR user=list argv=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/postfix-to-mailman.py Excerpts from /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'leibmanland.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.leibmanland.com' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, 'saclug.org') MTA='Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS=['placerliberty.org', 'saclug.org'] Excerpts from /var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman # STANZA START: lug-nuts # CREATED: Tue Jun 12 17:04:53 2007 lug-nuts at saclug.org lug-nuts lug-nuts-admin at saclug.org lug-nuts-admin lug-nuts-bounces at saclug.org lug-nuts-bounces lug-nuts-confirm at saclug.org lug-nuts-confirm lug-nuts-join at saclug.org lug-nuts-join lug-nuts-leave at saclug.org lug-nuts-leave lug-nuts-owner at saclug.org lug-nuts-owner lug-nuts-request at saclug.org lug-nuts-request lug-nuts-subscribe at saclug.org lug-nuts-subscribe lug-nuts-unsubscribe at saclug.org lug-nuts-unsubscribe # STANZA END: lug-nuts Excerpts from /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases # STANZA START: lug-nuts # CREATED: Tue Jun 12 17:04:53 2007 lug-nuts: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post lug-nuts" lug-nuts-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin lug-nuts" lug-nuts-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces lug-nuts" lug-nuts-confirm: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm lug-nuts" lug-nuts-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join lug-nuts" lug-nuts-leave: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave lug-nuts" lug-nuts-owner: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner lug-nuts" lug-nuts-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request lug-nuts" lug-nuts-subscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe lug-nuts" lug-nuts-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe lug-nuts" # STANZA END: lug-nuts From sfeng at stanford.edu Wed Jun 13 20:38:55 2007 From: sfeng at stanford.edu (Xueshan Feng) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:38:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendgiest cron job failure In-Reply-To: <46701F03.6040006@leibman.net> References: <46701F03.6040006@leibman.net> Message-ID: <1181759935.23589.109.camel@hoss.stanford.edu> We have 18K mailing lists. The "senddigest" cron job runs at noon daily. It came to our attention that many lists don't get digests. I put some debugging code in "senddigest", and I found out that there were two lists's digests had TypeError while being processed and 'senddigest" job just bailed out on the exception. No further lists will be processed for digest. Since this happens only to two lists out of 18K lists, I suspect this might not be a general system configuration error, but I wanted to confirm that. The work-around I have now is to have exception handling in "senddigest" code which skips the bad digest and log the error in mailman's error log. Both the patch and the digest error messages are included below. Anyone knows if the problem is fixable? Thanks, Xueshan --- senddigests 2007-06-13 10:48:54.000000000 -0700 +++ senddigests.orig 2007-06-12 10:53:08.000000000 -0700 @@ -38,7 +38,6 @@ from Mailman import Utils from Mailman import MailList from Mailman.i18n import _ -from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog # Work around known problems with some RedHat cron daemons import signal @@ -83,12 +82,9 @@ mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) if mlist.digest_send_periodic: mlist.Lock() - try: - try: - mlist.send_digest_now() - mlist.Save() - except (ValueError, TypeError), e: - syslog ('error', 'Broken digest: %s: %s', listname, e) + try: + mlist.send_digest_now() + mlist.Save() finally: mlist.Unlock() The digest error messages are two types: 1. Traceback (most recent call last): File "./senddigests", line 95, in ? main() File "./senddigests", line 87, in main mlist.send_digest_now() File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 142, in send_digest s send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 324, in send_i18n_d igests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 372, in process t = unicode(t, partcharset, 'replace') TypeError: coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, NoneType found 2.Traceback (most recent call last): File "./senddigests", line 95, in ? main() File "./senddigests", line 87, in main mlist.send_digest_now() File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 142, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 324, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 306, in process url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 483, in save_attachment if os.path.exists(path): File "/usr/lib/python2.3/posixpath.py", line 174, in exists st = os.stat(path) TypeError: stat() argument 1 must be (encoded string without NULL bytes), not str From joasia at redakcja.esensja.pl Wed Jun 13 20:47:53 2007 From: joasia at redakcja.esensja.pl (Jo'Asia) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:47:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List archive and config problem Message-ID: <234616913.20070613204753@redakcja.esensja.pl> OK, the stroy is long, but there may be a lot of reasons for the problems, so here it goes. Last week the server running mailman had been upgraded (meaning a completly new machine with all the data migrated from the old one). At this time also mailman has been upgraded from 2.1.5 to 2.1.9 Some minor problems appeared, like rights to archives, but they have been fixed. Unfortunately, one of the lists set for public archive is creating a private archive. The WWW admin interface still showed the archive option set to 'public'. I tried to switch it to private and back to public and saw this error message: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. I checked the log - there is *some* info, nothing helpful to me, but, if necessary, I can quote it... Now even an attemt to log into the admin interface of this list generates this error message. :( I run check_db - it says the config.pck file is OK. List as such is running OK - mails are recieved, delivered and archived (still in *private* archive directory), only the admin interface is broken. Where else should I look for the cause? If everything else fails it's possible to create a new list and import as much information from "strings dump" of the pickle file but I'd rather revive the current one. And fix this damn archiving... Jo'Asia -- Joanna Slupek --- --- --- .-- --- " --- http://esensja.pl |--- '-- |--- | | '-- | --| joasia at redakcja.esensja.pl --- ---' --- | | ---' | '--. -------------------------------------------------------------------' ---- From msapiro at value.net Thu Jun 14 03:41:12 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:41:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendgiest cron job failure In-Reply-To: <1181759935.23589.109.camel@hoss.stanford.edu> Message-ID: Xueshan Feng wrote: > >Since this happens only to two lists out of 18K lists, I suspect this >might not be a general system configuration error, but I wanted to >confirm that. The problem is some mal-formed message in lists//digest.mbox >The work-around I have now is to have exception handling in "senddigest" >code which skips the bad digest and log the error in mailman's error >log. > >Both the patch and the digest error messages are included below. > >Anyone knows if the problem is fixable? > >Thanks, > >Xueshan > >--- senddigests 2007-06-13 10:48:54.000000000 -0700 >+++ senddigests.orig 2007-06-12 10:53:08.000000000 -0700 >@@ -38,7 +38,6 @@ > from Mailman import Utils > from Mailman import MailList > from Mailman.i18n import _ >-from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog > > # Work around known problems with some RedHat cron daemons > import signal >@@ -83,12 +82,9 @@ > mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) > if mlist.digest_send_periodic: > mlist.Lock() >- try: >- try: >- mlist.send_digest_now() >- mlist.Save() >- except (ValueError, TypeError), e: I don't know if this is your patch or an emailing artifact, but the above except and the preceding try should be indented the same amount. >- syslog ('error', 'Broken digest: %s: %s', listname, >e) >+ try: >+ mlist.send_digest_now() >+ mlist.Save() > finally: > mlist.Unlock() The patch looks good. I may put something similar in cron/senddigests for the next release. > >The digest error messages are two types: > > >1. Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./senddigests", line 95, in ? > main() > File "./senddigests", line 87, in main > mlist.send_digest_now() > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in >send_digest_now > ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 142, in >send_digest >s > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 324, in >send_i18n_d >igests > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 372, in >process > t = unicode(t, partcharset, 'replace') >TypeError: coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, NoneType found Possibly a message with an empty sub-part. This is something we should check in Scrubber. Try the following patch to Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py --- Scrubber.py (revision 8236) +++ Scrubber.py (working copy) @@ -373,7 +373,7 @@ partcharset = str(partcharset) else: partcharset = part.get_content_charset() - if partcharset and partcharset <> charset: + if t and partcharset and partcharset <> charset: try: t = unicode(t, partcharset, 'replace') except (UnicodeError, LookupError, ValueError, AssertionError): (The last line above is wrapped - the 'except' should be all one line). >2.Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./senddigests", line 95, in ? > main() > File "./senddigests", line 87, in main > mlist.send_digest_now() > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in >send_digest_now > ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 142, in >send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 324, in >send_i18n_digests > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 306, in >process > url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 483, in >save_attachment > if os.path.exists(path): > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/posixpath.py", line 174, in exists > st = os.stat(path) >TypeError: stat() argument 1 must be (encoded string without NULL >bytes), not str This too looks like a possible Scrubber bug. There is something wierd abour the filename= parameter of an attachment, but it looks to me like the code is pretty well protected. I'd like to see the message (or .mbox) that causes this one and maybe the first one too. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Jun 14 04:16:55 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:16:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List archive and config problem In-Reply-To: <234616913.20070613204753@redakcja.esensja.pl> Message-ID: Jo'Asia wrote: > >I checked the log - there is *some* info, nothing helpful to me, but, >if necessary, I can quote it... That's what it's for. Please send the tracebacks from Mailman's error log. >Now even an attemt to log into the admin interface of this list >generates this error message. :( > >I run check_db - it says the config.pck file is OK. It only checks that it can be read as a pickle. It doesn't check the integrity of the data. >List as such is running OK - mails are recieved, delivered and >archived (still in *private* archive directory), only the admin >interface is broken. All lists are archived in the private directory. The public directory only contains symlinks to the private archives. The good news is if the list works, the config.pck is OK. >Where else should I look for the cause? Tell us what the error messages say. >If everything else fails it's possible to create a new list and >import as much information from "strings dump" of the pickle file but >I'd rather revive the current one. And fix this damn archiving... It's very tedious, and in this case, I don't think it's necessary. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Jun 14 05:23:34 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:23:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with virtual domains on postfix... In-Reply-To: <46701F03.6040006@leibman.net> Message-ID: Roberto Leibman wrote: >Help! I can't get my list to work. For some reason postfix keeps >redirecting email sent to the list to the non-list domain. I've looked over the information you includes, and I don't see anything obviously wrong, but I know almost nothing about Postfix. Perhaps someone else on this list can help, but the Mailman stuff that relates to Postfix looks OK. This is really a Postfix question, and I suggest you may get better help from Postfix support resources. There is one problem in you Mailman config that I tont't think affects the problem you're having, but will affect other things. In mm_cfg.py, you have add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, 'saclug.org') The second of these effectively nullifies the first. All 'url hosts' in add_virtualhost() directives must be unique because the 'url host' is a key in a python dictionary mapping and the 'email host' is the value of that key. So, in the above, the first add_virtualhost() just sets the value of the 'www.leibmanland.com' key to 'leibmanland.com' and the second replaces that value with 'saclug.org'. See for some consequences of this. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From l.h. at raqtweak.com Thu Jun 14 07:25:27 2007 From: l.h. at raqtweak.com (L. H.) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:25:27 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member only list? Message-ID: <20070614052450.M67952@raqtweak.com> Hi, I am currently running 2.1.9, and am trying to setup a member only list function using config_list. I've found a few instructions, but they seem to be for older versions of which the commands are no longer recognized. What I want to do is have 3 setups: 1) Everyone, members or no members, can post 2) Only members can post, no moderation required for them. Drop all non- member submissions. 3) All emails sent to the list (member + non member) must be approved by the admin. Which configuration lines should I use for this? I currently use: 1) Everyone: generic_nonmember_action = 0 default_member_moderation = 0 2) Members only: default_member_moderation = 0 generic_nonmember_action = 2 3) Moderation for everyone: default_member_moderation = 1 member_moderation_action = 0 member_moderation_notice = 'Sorry, subscribers cannot post to this list.' generic_nonmember_action = 1 Please advise. Thanks! From l.h. at raqtweak.com Wed Jun 13 20:24:31 2007 From: l.h. at raqtweak.com (L. H.) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:24:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member only list? Message-ID: <92443234F7504DB0BEDE04AA7735052C@WORKSTATION> Hi, I am currently running 2.1.9, and am trying to setup a member only list function using config_list. I've found a few instructions, but they seem to be for older versions of which the commands are no longer recognized. What I want to do is have 3 setups: 1) Everyone, members or no members, can post 2) Only members can post, no moderation required for them. Drop all non-member submissions. 3) All emails sent to the list (member + non member) must be approved by the admin. Which configuration lines should I use for this? I currently use: 1) Everyone: generic_nonmember_action = 0 default_member_moderation = 0 2) Members only: default_member_moderation = 0 generic_nonmember_action = 2 3) Moderation for everyone: default_member_moderation = 1 member_moderation_action = 0 member_moderation_notice = 'Sorry, subscribers cannot post to this list.' generic_nonmember_action = 1 Please advise. Thanks! From l.h. at raqtweak.com Wed Jun 13 00:37:12 2007 From: l.h. at raqtweak.com (L. H.) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:37:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member only list? Message-ID: Hi, I am currently running 2.1.9, and am trying to setup a member only list function using config_list. I've found a few instructions, but they seem to be for older versions of which the commands are no longer recognized. What I want to do is have 3 setups: 1) Everyone, members or no members, can post 2) Only members can post, no moderation required for them. Drop all non-member submissions. 3) All emails sent to the list (member + non member) must be approved by the admin. Which configuration lines should I use for this? I currently use: 1) Everyone: generic_nonmember_action = 0 default_member_moderation = 0 2) Members only: default_member_moderation = 0 generic_nonmember_action = 2 3) Moderation for everyone: default_member_moderation = 1 member_moderation_action = 0 member_moderation_notice = 'Sorry, subscribers cannot post to this list.' generic_nonmember_action = 1 Please advise. Thanks! From l.h. at raqtweak.com Thu Jun 14 21:14:17 2007 From: l.h. at raqtweak.com (L. H.) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:14:17 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member only list? Message-ID: <47FC6DB11BE94F49918B6DE198051905@WORKSTATION> Hi, I am currently running 2.1.9, and am trying to setup a member only list function using config_list. I've found a few instructions, but they seem to be for older versions of which the commands are no longer recognized. What I want to do is have 3 setups: 1) Everyone, members or no members, can post 2) Only members can post, no moderation required for them. Drop all non-member submissions. 3) All emails sent to the list (member + non member) must be approved by the admin. Which configuration lines should I use for this? I currently use: 1) Everyone: generic_nonmember_action = 0 default_member_moderation = 0 2) Members only: default_member_moderation = 0 generic_nonmember_action = 2 3) Moderation for everyone: default_member_moderation = 1 member_moderation_action = 0 member_moderation_notice = 'Sorry, subscribers cannot post to this list.' generic_nonmember_action = 1 Please advise. Thanks! From wonko at 4amlunch.net Thu Jun 14 20:53:41 2007 From: wonko at 4amlunch.net (Brian Hechinger) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:53:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server Migration (and archive repair) Message-ID: <20070614185341.GT21321@lisa.4amlunch.net> I need to build a new mailman server. What is the best/easiest way to migrate lists (and their archives) to the new machine? Something that used rsync would be nice so I could keep things as up to date as possible and then do a final rsync right before the migration. This is definitely something that needs to be done slowly and kept up with, our archives are currently 26GB in size. ;) The other thing is, a previous admin tried to clear out the archives for a couple of lists, and now the new messages are no longer archived. How do I repair these broken archives? Thanks, -brian -- "Perl can be fast and elegant as much as J2EE can be fast and elegant. In the hands of a skilled artisan, it can and does happen; it's just that most of the shit out there is built by people who'd be better suited to making sure that my burger is cooked thoroughly." -- Jonathan Patschke From prieheck at iwu.edu Thu Jun 14 22:37:16 2007 From: prieheck at iwu.edu (Pat Riehecky) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:37:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman clustering? Message-ID: <1181853436.6468.50.camel@thales.iwu.edu> I am trying to build a nice failover system for random parts of our infrastructure. Does anyone know how to force mailman to replicate changes over to another identically configured system? I thought about using rsync for this but I am trying to keep the sync triggered by updates on the primary server rather than just seeing if in the last few minutes any files have changed. Ideally I would like to round robin the primary and the secondary to split the load up, but I cannot do that without being sure that they are kept in sync with each other. How close to possible is this idea? Is there something I should read? I checked the FAQ and didn't see anything... Pat From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 15 00:59:24 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:59:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member only list? In-Reply-To: <47FC6DB11BE94F49918B6DE198051905@WORKSTATION> Message-ID: L. H. wrote: > >I am currently running 2.1.9, and am trying to setup a member only list >function using config_list. > >I've found a few instructions, but they seem to be for older versions of >which the commands are no longer recognized. > >What I want to do is have 3 setups: > >1) Everyone, members or no members, can post >2) Only members can post, no moderation required for them. Drop all >non-member submissions. >3) All emails sent to the list (member + non member) must be approved by the >admin. > >Which configuration lines should I use for this? >I currently use: > >1) Everyone: >generic_nonmember_action = 0 >default_member_moderation = 0 > >2) Members only: >default_member_moderation = 0 >generic_nonmember_action = 2 > >3) Moderation for everyone: > >default_member_moderation = 1 >member_moderation_action = 0 >member_moderation_notice = 'Sorry, subscribers cannot post to this list.' >generic_nonmember_action = 1 The above looks OK to me for what you want. What specifically is your problem? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From l.h. at raqtweak.com Fri Jun 15 01:08:43 2007 From: l.h. at raqtweak.com (L. H.) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:08:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member only list? In-Reply-To: References: <47FC6DB11BE94F49918B6DE198051905@WORKSTATION> Message-ID: > >1) Everyone: > >generic_nonmember_action = 0 > >default_member_moderation = 0 > > > >2) Members only: > >default_member_moderation = 0 > >generic_nonmember_action = 2 > > > >3) Moderation for everyone: > > > >default_member_moderation = 1 > >member_moderation_action = 0 > >member_moderation_notice = 'Sorry, subscribers cannot post to this list.' > >generic_nonmember_action = 1 > > > The above looks OK to me for what you want. What specifically is your > problem? I thought it would be OK, but, if I set it to any, or members only, it STILL sends the list admin "approve this post" messages... and puts them on hold until he does approve... From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 15 02:03:29 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:03:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server Migration (and archive repair) In-Reply-To: <20070614185341.GT21321@lisa.4amlunch.net> Message-ID: Brian Hechinger wrote: >I need to build a new mailman server. What is the best/easiest way to >migrate lists (and their archives) to the new machine? Something that >used rsync would be nice so I could keep things as up to date as possible >and then do a final rsync right before the migration. The directories you need to rsync are Mailman's lists/ and archives/private/ directories. If you're concerned about held messages, you can also do the data/ directory, but it may be better to approve/reject/discard any held messages during the final switchover after stopping the MTA and before the final rsync. When you're ready to do the final switchover, shut down the incoming MTA on the old box, wait for Mailman to process all its queues, do the rsync and finally change DNS or whatever to have the new box take over. >The other thing is, a previous admin tried to clear out the archives for >a couple of lists, and now the new messages are no longer archived. How >do I repair these broken archives? First, is the list's Archiving Options->archive set to Yes? Are some lists being archived? If so, good, but if not, is ArchRunner running (ps -fAw | grep qrunner)? What's in Mailman's error log? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 15 02:07:33 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:07:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member only list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: L. H. wrote: >> >1) Everyone: >> >generic_nonmember_action = 0 >> >default_member_moderation = 0 >> > >> >2) Members only: >> >default_member_moderation = 0 >> >generic_nonmember_action = 2 >> > >> >3) Moderation for everyone: >> > >> >default_member_moderation = 1 >> >member_moderation_action = 0 >> >member_moderation_notice = 'Sorry, subscribers cannot post to this list.' >> >generic_nonmember_action = 1 >> >> >> The above looks OK to me for what you want. What specifically is your >> problem? > >I thought it would be OK, but, if I set it to any, or members only, it STILL >sends the list admin "approve this post" messages... and puts them on hold >until he does approve... Are you talking about Case 1 or Case 2 or both? What is the reason why the post is held? You will find the reason in the admindb interface, in the notice to the admin and in Mailman's vette log. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Jun 15 08:15:10 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:15:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman clustering? In-Reply-To: <1181853436.6468.50.camel@thales.iwu.edu> References: <1181853436.6468.50.camel@thales.iwu.edu> Message-ID: On 6/14/07, Pat Riehecky wrote: > How close to possible is this idea? Is there something I should read? > I checked the FAQ and didn't see anything... You probably did the intelligent thing and searched for the word "cluster" and didn't find it. That's because FAQ 4.75 didn't have that keyword in the title or in the body. I've now fixed that. Anyway, FAQ 4.75 provides about as much information as I know of that exists on this topic. If you find out anything else, please let us know. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From wonko at 4amlunch.net Fri Jun 15 15:13:28 2007 From: wonko at 4amlunch.net (Brian Hechinger) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:13:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server Migration (and archive repair) In-Reply-To: References: <20070614185341.GT21321@lisa.4amlunch.net> Message-ID: <20070615131328.GA10234@lisa.4amlunch.net> On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 05:03:29PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > The directories you need to rsync are Mailman's lists/ and > archives/private/ directories. If you're concerned about held Ok, good, that's easy enough. > messages, you can also do the data/ directory, but it may be better to > approve/reject/discard any held messages during the final switchover > after stopping the MTA and before the final rsync. Most people don't bother cleaning out there held messages. This will be a good chance to get rid of those. :) > When you're ready to do the final switchover, shut down the incoming > MTA on the old box, wait for Mailman to process all its queues, do the > rsync and finally change DNS or whatever to have the new box take over. Yeah, this part is the portion I'm comforable with, just didn't know what exactly should be copied over. > First, is the list's Archiving Options->archive set to Yes? > > Are some lists being archived? If so, good, but if not, is ArchRunner > running (ps -fAw | grep qrunner)? Archives work for all lists. Archives worked fine up until the previous mailing list admin (actually a desktop fellow who was new to linux, yay) did his "magic". > What's in Mailman's error log? Ah ha! He made the mbox files owned by root, not mailman. ooops! -brian -- "Perl can be fast and elegant as much as J2EE can be fast and elegant. In the hands of a skilled artisan, it can and does happen; it's just that most of the shit out there is built by people who'd be better suited to making sure that my burger is cooked thoroughly." -- Jonathan Patschke From dan at tangledhelix.com Tue Jun 12 20:59:18 2007 From: dan at tangledhelix.com (Dan Lowe) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:59:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Assertion error in senddigests Message-ID: <34309B04-9D78-4567-9BE9-0E2E87825E42@tangledhelix.com> I know a bit of Python, but this traceback is way over my head. I'm getting this every day when the senddigests cron job runs: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/pkg/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in main() File "/usr/local/pkg/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main mlist.send_digest_now() File "/usr/local/pkg/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/pkg/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 142, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/pkg/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 324, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/pkg/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 373, in process t = t.encode(charset, 'replace') File "/usr/local/pkg/python/lib/python2.5/encodings/ quopri_codec.py", line 20, in quopri_encode assert errors == 'strict' AssertionError Searching list archives and Google haven't turned up anything that looks useful. The traceback doesn't even point to which list was being operated on at the time of the error. The only thing I've found in the Mailman logs is this sort of message, in logs/error: Jun 12 16:08:44 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: Jun 12 16:11:40 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: Jun 12 16:18:20 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: Jun 12 16:21:30 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: Jun 12 16:21:40 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: Jun 12 16:23:06 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: Jun 12 16:47:21 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: Jun 12 16:49:58 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: Jun 12 16:58:42 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: Jun 12 17:20:15 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: Also, though most of my lists are set as digestable (but not digesting by default), none of my lists have any digest-enabled subscribers... -dan From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 15 23:32:55 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:32:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendgiest cron job failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Sapiro wrote: >Xueshan Feng wrote: >> >>The digest error messages are two types: >> >> >>1. Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "./senddigests", line 95, in ? >> main() >> File "./senddigests", line 87, in main >> mlist.send_digest_now() >> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in >>send_digest_now >> ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) >> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 142, in >>send_digest >>s >> send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) >> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 324, in >>send_i18n_d >>igests >> msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) >> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 372, in >>process >> t = unicode(t, partcharset, 'replace') >>TypeError: coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, NoneType found > > >Possibly a message with an empty sub-part. This is something we should >check in Scrubber. Actually, it turns out that this was a delivery status notification returned to the list. The Python email package handles message/delivery-status parts in a speial way which results in part payloads of None. >>2.Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "./senddigests", line 95, in ? >> main() >> File "./senddigests", line 87, in main >> mlist.send_digest_now() >> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in >>send_digest_now >> ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) >> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 142, in >>send_digests >> send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) >> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 324, in >>send_i18n_digests >> msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) >> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 306, in >>process >> url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) >> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 483, in >>save_attachment >> if os.path.exists(path): >> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/posixpath.py", line 174, in exists >> st = os.stat(path) >>TypeError: stat() argument 1 must be (encoded string without NULL >>bytes), not str And this was a message with an improprly encoded RFC 2047 filename parameter which had a trailing null byte. Both of these issues are fixed by the attached Scrubber.patch.txt patch to Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Scrubber.patch.txt Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20070615/feefde5f/attachment.txt From msapiro at value.net Sat Jun 16 00:29:49 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:29:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Assertion error in senddigests In-Reply-To: <34309B04-9D78-4567-9BE9-0E2E87825E42@tangledhelix.com> Message-ID: Dan Lowe wrote: >I know a bit of Python, but this traceback is way over my head. I'm >getting this every day when the senddigests cron job runs: > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/pkg/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in > main() > File "/usr/local/pkg/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main > mlist.send_digest_now() > File "/usr/local/pkg/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in >send_digest_now > ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/pkg/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line >142, in send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/pkg/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line >324, in send_i18n_digests > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > File "/usr/local/pkg/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line >373, in process > t = t.encode(charset, 'replace') > File "/usr/local/pkg/python/lib/python2.5/encodings/ >quopri_codec.py", line 20, in quopri_encode > assert errors == 'strict' >AssertionError > >Searching list archives and Google haven't turned up anything that >looks useful. The traceback doesn't even point to which list was >being operated on at the time of the error. The only thing I've found >in the Mailman logs is this sort of message, in logs/error: > >Jun 12 16:08:44 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: >Jun 12 16:11:40 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: >Jun 12 16:18:20 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: >Jun 12 16:21:30 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: >Jun 12 16:21:40 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: >Jun 12 16:23:06 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: >Jun 12 16:47:21 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: >Jun 12 16:49:58 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: >Jun 12 16:58:42 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: >Jun 12 17:20:15 2007 (504) send_digests() failed: > >Also, though most of my lists are set as digestable (but not >digesting by default), none of my lists have any digest-enabled >subscribers... Every post to the list triggers a digest on size and produces the above error log message. You may be able to deduce the list from the timing of the messages. Even if there are no digest members, if the list is digestable, a digest.mbox is maintained and processed. At least one of your lists has a lists//digest.mbox file with a bad message in it. The bad message (I think) has a Content-Type: header with a charset="quoted-printable" parameter. The attached senddigests.patch.txt patch to cron.senddigests will produce stderr output pointing to the offending list and digest.mbox. If you run it from the command line, you will see the output. If cron runs it, you should get the output in email rather than the above traceback. You can catch the AssertionError in scrubber. There is a fixed version of Scrubber.py in SVN at (rev. 8237) which has this and a few other post 2.1.9 fixes. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: senddigests.patch.txt Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20070615/8cfff515/attachment.txt From letb24 at aol.com Sat Jun 16 19:02:54 2007 From: letb24 at aol.com (letb24 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:02:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Message-ID: <8C97E4F50AF10EA-14D4-697B@WEBMAIL-MB09.sysops.aol.com> Hey everyone! Really new to all this, I know I can search the FAQ, and I did, but was hoping someone wasn't busy this morning and could give me a step by step at how to extract my email list so I can have a hard copy. Lately, I have been getting a lot of bounces and notices have been sent out that their account will be deleted. Any idea why this is happening? From about 980 people, almost 120 people don't get the email. I realize some might be from old emails but I know others used to get it with the old way. Thanks a lot. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From msapiro at value.net Sat Jun 16 19:37:03 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:37:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List In-Reply-To: <8C97E4F50AF10EA-14D4-697B@WEBMAIL-MB09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: letb24 at aol.com wrote: > >Really new to all this, I know I can search the FAQ, and I did, but was hoping someone wasn't busy this morning and could give me a step by step at how to extract my email list so I can have a hard copy. If you mean extract a list of members, your search should have led you to which should answer this question. If you need more help than that, please ask a more specific question. >Lately, I have been getting a lot of bounces and notices have been sent out that their account will be deleted. Any idea why this is happening? If you set Bounce processing->bounce_notify_owner_on_disable to Yes, the list owner will receive a notice with a copy of the bounce that triggers a disable. This should help you determine why posts are bouncing. >From about 980 people, almost 120 people don't get the email. I realize some might be from old emails but I know others used to get it with the old way. Do these almost 120 people have delivery enabled? Do bounces for these members appear in Mailman's bounce log? Is there anything in Mailman's smtp-failure log? Set Bounce processing->bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner to Yes so you see bounces that aren't recognized as such. If a member has delivery enabled and the members delivery doesn't bounce, It is probably being spam filtered somewhere outside of Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From guvnur at gmail.com Sun Jun 17 18:40:42 2007 From: guvnur at gmail.com (Michael Ballard) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:40:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron gate news Illegal Command Message-ID: I recently installed mailman 2.1.9-2 via RPM on Fedora Core 6. Everything seems to be working fine except every 5 minutes I receive the following error via my mailman list: "Illegal command: /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news" root is sending it. /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news/ has the same permissions as the other cron jobs in //usr/lib/mailman/cron/ I edited /usr/lib/mailman/cron/crontab.in/, commenting out what I thought the offending line was: "0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news" to "# 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news" After editing the file, I restart mailman as root, so the cron permissions are all correct. But I still receive the error. Any help would be much appreciated, the same E-mail every 5 minutes is getting awfully annoying. -- Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. - Mark Twain From msapiro at value.net Sun Jun 17 18:57:03 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:57:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron gate news Illegal Command In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Michael Ballard wrote: >I recently installed mailman 2.1.9-2 via RPM on Fedora Core 6. > >Everything seems to be working fine except every 5 minutes I receive the >following error via my mailman list: > >"Illegal command: /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news" > >root is sending it. I don't know what would be causing this. Is there any other information in the emailed error or anything in Mailman's logs, particularly 'error' and 'fromusenet'? Do any of your lists have gateway_to_mail set to Yes? What happens if you 'su mailman' and try to run /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news ? >/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news/ has the same permissions as the other cron >jobs in //usr/lib/mailman/cron/ > >I edited /usr/lib/mailman/cron/crontab.in/, commenting out what I thought >the offending line was: > >"0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * mailman >/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news" >to >"# 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * mailman >/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news" > >After editing the file, I restart mailman as root, so the cron permissions >are all correct. The crontab.in file is not the running crontab. The RPM probably installs that file in /etc/cron.d/mailman which is the file you'd have to edit to stop running the /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news command. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sun Jun 17 19:01:35 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:01:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron gate news Illegal Command In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Sapiro wrote: >Michael Ballard wrote: > >>I recently installed mailman 2.1.9-2 via RPM on Fedora Core 6. >> >>Everything seems to be working fine except every 5 minutes I receive the >>following error via my mailman list: >> >>"Illegal command: /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news" >> >>root is sending it. > > >I don't know what would be causing this. Actually, I do. What is the first line of /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news ? It will be something like #! /usr/bin/python It is probably this which is the 'Illegal command'. What about the other scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cron/ ? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From adamsca at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 00:17:36 2007 From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:17:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem/permissions Message-ID: <27572d930706181517l3b76811ct762a7e709f47cff1@mail.gmail.com> After a hardware failure, I am trying to install Mailman on another server. As per the documentation, I added myself to the Mailman group and ran the configure as me. I used --with-mail-gid=mailman and --with-cgi-gid=www. I then ran make install. It seemed to work okay. I ran ./check_perms -f and all looks okay. I went to the mailman directory and did this: cd /usr/local/mailman chgrp mailman . chmod a+rx,g+ws I added a ScriptAlias entry in the apache conf file: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ I restarted Apache, Postfix, and Mailman. No matter what I do, if I go to the URL: http://mydomain.com/mailman/admin/create I get the message: "You don't have permission to access /mailman/ on this server." I tried doing the configure with actual gid number and tried using different combinations such as mail-gid=postfix and cgi-gid=nobody. None of that seems to make a difference. I would appreciate any ideas as to what is going on. It appears to be a permissions problem but I would like to narrow it down one way or another. Thanks -- Christopher Adams adamsca at gmail.com From msapiro at value.net Tue Jun 19 00:37:47 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:37:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem/permissions In-Reply-To: <27572d930706181517l3b76811ct762a7e709f47cff1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Christopher Adams wrote: > >I then ran make install. It seemed to work okay. I ran ./check_perms >-f and all looks okay. > >I went to the mailman directory and did this: > >cd /usr/local/mailman >chgrp mailman . >chmod a+rx,g+ws You don't trust check_perms? >I added a ScriptAlias entry in the apache conf file: > >ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ > >I restarted Apache, Postfix, and Mailman. > >No matter what I do, if I go to the URL: > >http://mydomain.com/mailman/admin/create > >I get the message: > >"You don't have permission to access /mailman/ on this server." What does the apache error_log say about this? What are the ownership and permissions of the files in /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ ? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From adamsca at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 00:52:47 2007 From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:52:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem/permissions In-Reply-To: References: <27572d930706181517l3b76811ct762a7e709f47cff1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27572d930706181552n33f08cd5ta0766d62be0dfc60@mail.gmail.com> >You don't trust check_perms? Not sure about that. > What does the apache error_log say about this? client denied by server configuration: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create > What are the ownership and permissions of the files in > /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ ? mailman.mailman rwxr-sr-x From msapiro at value.net Tue Jun 19 01:15:47 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:15:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem/permissions In-Reply-To: <27572d930706181552n33f08cd5ta0766d62be0dfc60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Christopher Adams wrote: > >> What does the apache error_log say about this? > >client denied by server configuration: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create So this is an apache configuration issue, not a Mailman permissions issue. Do you have ExecCGI implicitly or explicitly on the /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ directory in the apache config plus all the other apache stuff like mod_cgi? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From JLeavelle at PensionRights.org Tue Jun 19 02:12:40 2007 From: JLeavelle at PensionRights.org (Joellen Leavelle) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:12:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] People are dropping off several of our listservs and we don't know why Message-ID: <5B204A7D0543C44DB984C8305F14496738D280@studebaker.PRC.Local> Hi. My subject line basically says it all. We run several listservs (both internal and external) and all of a sudden several people just stopped receiving the messages we sent. At first we thought it was a problem with our internal e-mail set up, but a few months later other people started telling us that they hadn't received any listserv messages for 2 months. Have any of you ever experienced this problem? If so, how do you fix it? I've gone in to look at the subscription list and the people who aren't receiving the messages are still on the list. As a side note, our vendor does not know what the problem is nor does he know how to fix it. I'm posting here in hopes that there is something very simple that we are overlooking. I have been on this listserv for about a week and it seems that many of you are much more technically-savvy than I am. I apologize in advance for not knowing things that may be basic. Any advice you could give would be much appreciated. Thanks! Joellen Leavelle Communications Coordinator and Logistics Manager Pension Rights Center 1350 Connecticut Avenue, NW Suite 206 Washington, DC 20036 Phone: (202) 296-3776 Fax: (202) 296-1571 www.pensionrights.org From adamsca at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 02:55:57 2007 From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:55:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem/permissions In-Reply-To: References: <27572d930706181552n33f08cd5ta0766d62be0dfc60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27572d930706181755u31340181vec9479224db8e784@mail.gmail.com> On 6/18/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Christopher Adams wrote: > > > >> What does the apache error_log say about this? > > > >client denied by server configuration: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create > > > So this is an apache configuration issue, not a Mailman permissions > issue. Do you have ExecCGI implicitly or explicitly on the > /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ directory in the apache config plus all > the other apache stuff like mod_cgi? Yes, I see that it is an Apache issue. In httpd.conf, for the Document Root, I have set: RewriteEngine On Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI AllowOverride None Order deny,allow Deny from all Options All I also have a Directory entry for the /usr/local/mailman directory, with ExecCGI specified, which I guess is redundant if I have it above. As for mod_cgi, Apache says that it is loading it on startup. I know this isn't and Apache mailing list, but if you have suggestions, they are most welcome. Chris From msapiro at value.net Tue Jun 19 02:59:57 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:59:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] People are dropping off several of our listservsand we don't know why In-Reply-To: <5B204A7D0543C44DB984C8305F14496738D280@studebaker.PRC.Local> Message-ID: Joellen Leavelle wrote: >Hi. My subject line basically says it all. We run several listservs >(both internal and external) and all of a sudden several people just >stopped receiving the messages we sent. At first we thought it was a >problem with our internal e-mail set up, but a few months later other >people started telling us that they hadn't received any listserv >messages for 2 months. Have any of you ever experienced this problem? >If so, how do you fix it? I've gone in to look at the subscription list >and the people who aren't receiving the messages are still on the list. And is their delivery enabled? >As a side note, our vendor does not know what the problem is nor does he >know how to fix it. I'm posting here in hopes that there is something >very simple that we are overlooking. You should have all the notifications on the Bounce processing page set to Yes. You or your vendor should check Mailman's 'bounce' log to see if bounces are being returned. If the user's delivery is enabled, and they aren't bouncing, the messages are getting spam filtered or otherwise dropped outside of Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Jun 19 03:09:12 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:09:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem/permissions In-Reply-To: <27572d930706181755u31340181vec9479224db8e784@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Christopher Adams wrote: >Yes, I see that it is an Apache issue. In httpd.conf, for the Document >Root, I have set: > > > RewriteEngine On > Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI > AllowOverride None > Order deny,allow > Deny from all So you are denying access to everyone not matching an applicable Allow. Do you have an Allow directive somewhere that would allow access to the mailman CGIs? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From carconni at earthlink.net Tue Jun 19 04:35:23 2007 From: carconni at earthlink.net (carconni) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:35:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moved lists and now they don't work Message-ID: Hi I had to move lists. We had a hardware failure and they had to move to our new mail server. The mail server migration went fine and we thought mailman moved okay as well but we were wrong. Earlier today I tried to create a new list and and got an error so my boss said to check permissions. I ran the /usr/share/mailman/bin/ check_perms -f in every mailman file I could find but Im still getting permission errors. I even gave global permissions to all the archives but no luck. Right now, lists have stopped - they just aren't working and I just can't figure out what the problem is. The more we tried to fix it, the worse it got. Unfortunately my company heavily relies on them so I figured before I set out to manually configure mail aliases, does anyone know a way around this mess? from var/mailman/logs/error: (the permissions and ownership for the client-list is -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 479 Jun 18 13:30 / private/var/mailman/archives/private/client-list/index.html) Jun 18 19:24:34 2007 (10816) SHUNTING: 1182219873.5167899 +ceff885a98ff1c83a23f7e83b4d94678813ee808 Jun 18 19:25:36 2007 (10819) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/private/var/mailman/archives/public/client- list' Jun 18 19:25:36 2007 (10819) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 133, in _dispose mlist.Save() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 529, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 235, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir breaklink(pubdir) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 55, in breaklink os.unlink(link) OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/private/var/mailman/ archives/public/client-list' Jun 18 19:25:36 2007 (10819) SHUNTING: 1182219935.3121431 +07ef8a32317dde697d0042ee151b8fd11d41b398 Jun 18 19:25:36 2007 (10816) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/archives/private/client-list/ index.html' Jun 18 19:25:36 2007 (10816) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 216, in ArchiveMail h.close() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 313, in close self.write_TOC() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1048, in write_TOC toc = open(os.path.join(self.basedir, 'index.html'), 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/archives/ private/client-list/index.html' Jun 18 19:25:36 2007 (10816) SHUNTING: 1182219935.3121431 +1f5997710b510ce2af03c4b18e68bca2a9a7cf5d Jun 18 19:25:53 2007 (10819) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/private/var/mailman/archives/public/client- list' Jun 18 19:25:53 2007 (10819) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 133, in _dispose mlist.Save() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 529, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 235, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir breaklink(pubdir) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 55, in breaklink os.unlink(link) OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/private/var/mailman/ archives/public/client-list' Jun 18 19:25:53 2007 (10819) SHUNTING: 1182219952.298547 +a97ef5907aa7d67744b62971add1b089b4336b32 Jun 18 19:25:53 2007 (10816) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/archives/private/client-list/ index.html' Jun 18 19:25:53 2007 (10816) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 216, in ArchiveMail h.close() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 313, in close self.write_TOC() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1048, in write_TOC toc = open(os.path.join(self.basedir, 'index.html'), 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/archives/ private/client-list/index.html' Jun 18 19:25:53 2007 (10816) SHUNTING: 1182219952.298547 +542a885011bac44ed8f869a06f7c64ebe07acaf9 Jun 18 19:27:07 2007 (10819) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/private/var/mailman/archives/public/client- list' Jun 18 19:27:07 2007 (10819) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 133, in _dispose mlist.Save() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 529, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 235, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir breaklink(pubdir) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 55, in breaklink os.unlink(link) OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/private/var/mailman/ archives/public/client-list' Jun 18 19:27:07 2007 (10819) SHUNTING: 1182220026.5520279 +b4a5f31a903a595b30aad7c8b13e6b37e44b3b25 Jun 18 19:27:07 2007 (10816) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/archives/private/client-list/ index.html' Jun 18 19:27:07 2007 (10816) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 216, in ArchiveMail h.close() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 313, in close self.write_TOC() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1048, in write_TOC toc = open(os.path.join(self.basedir, 'index.html'), 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/archives/ private/client-list/index.html' Jun 18 19:27:07 2007 (10816) SHUNTING: 1182220026.5520279 +eddee6c8cd6b87769edeaa60fe9c23f1e3e19640 From msapiro at value.net Tue Jun 19 07:08:40 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:08:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moved lists and now they don't work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: carconni wrote: > >I had to move lists. We had a hardware failure and they had to move >to our new mail server. The mail server migration went fine and we >thought mailman moved okay as well but we were wrong. > >Earlier today I tried to create a new list and and got an error so my >boss said to check permissions. I ran the /usr/share/mailman/bin/ >check_perms -f in every mailman file I could find but Im still >getting permission errors. I even gave global permissions to all the >archives but no luck. It doesn't matter where your current directory is. You just run /usr/share/mailman/bin/check_perms -f as root until it reports no errors. >Right now, lists have stopped - they just aren't working and I just >can't figure out what the problem is. The more we tried to fix it, >the worse it got. Unfortunately my company heavily relies on them so >I figured before I set out to manually configure mail aliases, does >anyone know a way around this mess? > >from var/mailman/logs/error: (the permissions and ownership for the >client-list is -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 479 Jun 18 13:30 / >private/var/mailman/archives/private/client-list/index.html) It should be group writable - i.e. -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman >Jun 18 19:24:34 2007 (10816) SHUNTING: 1182219873.5167899 >+ceff885a98ff1c83a23f7e83b4d94678813ee808 >Jun 18 19:25:36 2007 (10819) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 1] >Operation not permitted: '/private/var/mailman/archives/public/client- >list' >Jun 18 19:25:36 2007 (10819) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in >_oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in >_onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line >133, in _dispose > mlist.Save() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 529, in Save > self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 235, >in CheckHTMLArchiveDir > breaklink(pubdir) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 55, >in breaklink > os.unlink(link) >OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/private/var/mailman/ >archives/public/client-list' I'm guessing when you backed up and moved from the old machines, you wound up with files in /private/var/mailman/archives/public/ There should only be symlinks in that directory. Every /private/var/mailman/archives/public/ and /private/var/mailman/archives/public/ is a symlink to the corresponding /private/var/mailman/archives/private/ and /private/var/mailman/archives/private/ directory. Either fixing that or simply removing everything in the /private/var/mailman/archives/public/ will allow Mailman to recreate the proper symlinks. >Jun 18 19:25:36 2007 (10819) SHUNTING: 1182219935.3121431 >+07ef8a32317dde697d0042ee151b8fd11d41b398 >Jun 18 19:25:36 2007 (10816) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] >Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/archives/private/client-list/ >index.html' >Jun 18 19:25:36 2007 (10816) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in >_oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in >_onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in >_dispose > mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 216, >in ArchiveMail > h.close() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 313, >in close > self.write_TOC() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line >1048, in write_TOC > toc = open(os.path.join(self.basedir, 'index.html'), 'w') >IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/archives/ >private/client-list/index.html' > >Jun 18 19:25:36 2007 (10816) SHUNTING: 1182219935.3121431 >+1f5997710b510ce2af03c4b18e68bca2a9a7cf5d >Jun 18 19:25:53 2007 (10819) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 1] >Operation not permitted: '/private/var/mailman/archives/public/client- >list' >Jun 18 19:25:53 2007 (10819) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in >_oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in >_onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line >133, in _dispose > mlist.Save() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 529, in Save > self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 235, >in CheckHTMLArchiveDir > breaklink(pubdir) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 55, >in breaklink > os.unlink(link) >OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/private/var/mailman/ >archives/public/client-list' > >Jun 18 19:25:53 2007 (10819) SHUNTING: 1182219952.298547 >+a97ef5907aa7d67744b62971add1b089b4336b32 >Jun 18 19:25:53 2007 (10816) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] >Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/archives/private/client-list/ >index.html' >Jun 18 19:25:53 2007 (10816) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in >_oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in >_onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in >_dispose > mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 216, >in ArchiveMail > h.close() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 313, >in close > self.write_TOC() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line >1048, in write_TOC > toc = open(os.path.join(self.basedir, 'index.html'), 'w') >IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/archives/ >private/client-list/index.html' > >Jun 18 19:25:53 2007 (10816) SHUNTING: 1182219952.298547 >+542a885011bac44ed8f869a06f7c64ebe07acaf9 >Jun 18 19:27:07 2007 (10819) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 1] >Operation not permitted: '/private/var/mailman/archives/public/client- >list' >Jun 18 19:27:07 2007 (10819) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in >_oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in >_onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line >133, in _dispose > mlist.Save() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 529, in Save > self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 235, >in CheckHTMLArchiveDir > breaklink(pubdir) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 55, >in breaklink > os.unlink(link) >OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/private/var/mailman/ >archives/public/client-list' > >Jun 18 19:27:07 2007 (10819) SHUNTING: 1182220026.5520279 >+b4a5f31a903a595b30aad7c8b13e6b37e44b3b25 >Jun 18 19:27:07 2007 (10816) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] >Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/archives/private/client-list/ >index.html' >Jun 18 19:27:07 2007 (10816) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in >_oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in >_onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in >_dispose > mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 216, >in ArchiveMail > h.close() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 313, >in close > self.write_TOC() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line >1048, in write_TOC > toc = open(os.path.join(self.basedir, 'index.html'), 'w') >IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/archives/ >private/client-list/index.html' > >Jun 18 19:27:07 2007 (10816) SHUNTING: 1182220026.5520279 >+eddee6c8cd6b87769edeaa60fe9c23f1e3e19640 > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/msapiro%40value.net > >Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From devon at jobspeed.com.au Tue Jun 19 08:00:11 2007 From: devon at jobspeed.com.au (AusArchitect) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbe question - Can I do this with Mailman? Message-ID: <11188463.post@talk.nabble.com> Hi, Can I run Mailman on my linux webserver and have it do the following? Each of my clients is a company with say 1000 clients of their own, The 30 companies want to give me a email list with their 1000 clients. I then need to send out 30,000 emails with each being taylored to those companies graphics style (with their logo's, fonts etc from a template). The killer is that across the 30 companies there are probably duplicate email addresses, so i need to de-duplicate but also make sure that these duplicates are sent mail (over a period of time) by all the companies they are with. EG, company 1 would send dupe #1 on 1st email, Company 2 would send dupe #1 on second email ( a week later ). The email content will be the 5 url links which each company wants to send out to their clients (links to pages on my website). So each of the 30 companies will have 5 url's which will be in a email which looks like it comes from them. 1 email = 5x url's to 5 pages on my site. for example. Any help would be most apprecated. Thanks -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Newbe-question---Can-I-do-this-with-Mailman--tf3944271.html#a11188463 Sent from the Mailman - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From brad at shub-internet.org Tue Jun 19 08:13:43 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:13:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbe question - Can I do this with Mailman? In-Reply-To: <11188463.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <11188463.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 6/18/07, AusArchitect wrote: > So each of the 30 companies will have 5 url's which will be in a email which > looks like it comes from them. > 1 email = 5x url's to 5 pages on my site. for example. Search the FAQ Wizard for "look and feel". Read all articles that are returned, as well as the other related ones that you are referred to. See also FAQs 1.22 and 1.23. Once you've read those, if you have any further questions, please let us know what issues you have that were not addressed. > View this message in context: >http://www.nabble.com/Newbe-question---Can-I-do-this-with-Mailman--tf3944271.html#a11188463 > Sent from the Mailman - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. I think we're going to have to fix this problem. They are not authorized to act as a gateway of this list. I think this has to stop. See FAQ 1.18. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From adamsca at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 21:40:07 2007 From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:40:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation problem/permissions In-Reply-To: References: <27572d930706181755u31340181vec9479224db8e784@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27572d930706191240l5c9b1030xa9ead8dcc18345d7@mail.gmail.com> Thank you for pointing that out. Mailman is now working okay. On 6/18/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Christopher Adams wrote: > > >Yes, I see that it is an Apache issue. In httpd.conf, for the Document > >Root, I have set: > > > > > > RewriteEngine On > > Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI > > AllowOverride None > > Order deny,allow > > Deny from all > > > So you are denying access to everyone not matching an applicable Allow. > Do you have an Allow directive somewhere that would allow access to > the mailman CGIs? > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > -- Christopher Adams adamsca at gmail.com From adamsca at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 23:02:51 2007 From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:02:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem creating new list on the web - Unkown Virtual Host Message-ID: <27572d930706191402k38634465hd38607a171b581f9@mail.gmail.com> When I create a list via the web, I get the dreaded 'Unknown Virtual Host mailinglists.state.or.us' message. I consulted the FAQ, but I couldn't see what was wrong: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.036.htp I didn't configure the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST during the configuration of Mailman, so I added them to mm_cfg.py and restarted mailman. My entry looks like this: #Virtual Host and Email Host add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailinglists.state.or.us' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailinglists.state.or.us' Other list admin functions from the web work and I can create lists from the command line. Any tips on what to look for? -- Christopher Adams adamsca at gmail.com From brad at shub-internet.org Wed Jun 20 01:33:25 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:33:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem creating new list on the web - Unkown Virtual Host In-Reply-To: <27572d930706191402k38634465hd38607a171b581f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <27572d930706191402k38634465hd38607a171b581f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/19/07, Christopher Adams wrote: > When I create a list via the web, I get the dreaded 'Unknown Virtual > Host mailinglists.state.or.us' message. That name does not exist in the DNS: % dig mailinglists.state.or.us. any ; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>> mailinglists.state.or.us. any ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 49283 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;mailinglists.state.or.us. IN ANY ;; Query time: 3 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) ;; WHEN: Tue Jun 19 18:30:48 2007 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 42 % dig @lynx.state.or.us. mailinglists.state.or.us. any ; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>> @lynx.state.or.us. mailinglists.state.or.us. any ; (1 server found) ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 12659 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;mailinglists.state.or.us. IN ANY ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: state.or.us. 3600 IN SOA lynx.state.or.us. dns-admin.state.or.us. 2007061500 10800 1800 604800 3600 ;; Query time: 72 msec ;; SERVER: 159.121.107.82#53(159.121.107.82) ;; WHEN: Tue Jun 19 18:31:44 2007 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 93 You might want to get that fixed. While you're at it, you should have your nameserver administrators look into fixing the other things wrong with the domain -- see . -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From msapiro at value.net Wed Jun 20 02:56:57 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:56:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem creating new list on the web - UnkownVirtual Host In-Reply-To: <27572d930706191402k38634465hd38607a171b581f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Christopher Adams wrote: >When I create a list via the web, I get the dreaded 'Unknown Virtual >Host mailinglists.state.or.us' message. > >I consulted the FAQ, but I couldn't see what was wrong: > >http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.036.htp Also see (now referenced from 4.36). >I didn't configure the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST during >the configuration of Mailman, so I added them to mm_cfg.py and >restarted mailman. My entry looks like this: > >#Virtual Host and Email Host >add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) >DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailinglists.state.or.us' >DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailinglists.state.or.us' Presumably the definitions of DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST in Defaults.py are wrong since you didn't configure them and your host is 'Unknown'. Therefore, there are two problems with the above. The first problem is you want to remove the erroneous VIRTUAL_HOSTS entry created in Defaults.py. This is not critical, but it is good practice. The main problem is you need to move the add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) directive to a point AFTER you have redefined DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST. Otherwise, you are just re-adding the erroneous entry from Defaults.py. So what you want is VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailinglists.state.or.us' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailinglists.state.or.us' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) (the first 3 can be in any order, but the add_virtualhost() must be the last of the 4. >Other list admin functions from the web work and I can create lists >from the command line. You may need to run fix_url on the lists you created from the command line. See the above referenced FAQ 4.62 and also 4.69. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From G.Booth at usm.edu Wed Jun 20 04:10:33 2007 From: G.Booth at usm.edu (George Booth) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:10:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Troublesome Mailman Errors Message-ID: <001b01c7b2e0$2f1e1eb0$f3cb5f83@elysium> Greetings, I've been unable to find answers for two problems that have been plaguing me for about a week or so now, and decided to turn to the list for help. We're running Mailman on an IBM server with RedHat 2.6.9-42.0.10.EL-i686 The first problem is that messages sent to one of my lists (750+ members) don't get propagated out to all the members. At this point, I'm not sure what percentage is receiving and what percentage isn't receiving, but based on small samplings, I think it's safe to conclude that more aren't receiving than are. Checking the post log, I see the following for test messages I've sent to the list; I know of 5 people who have received it, of which I am not one: Jun 19 10:47:31 2007 (32175) post to usmtalk from g.booth at usm.edu, size=2800, message-id=<005101c7b289$16a60070$f3cb5f83 at elysium>, 7 failures Jun 19 15:20:28 2007 (32175) post to usmtalk from g.booth at usm.edu, size=2646, message-id=<001301c7b2ad$9f179e40$f3cb5f83 at elysium>, 7 failures One person has been trying to send a message to the list for the last week; he's tried 3 times and, although he's received all of my test messages to the list, he has not seen his own messages come through. I myself have not received any email from the list in around a week, and quite a few others have received no messages at all either. I'm unable to get cooperation from our server admins to get messages traced as they go through our rather complex email system, and am told this is a Mailman problem, so I figured I'd see what the experts think might be possible situations. The other issue we're facing, which I'm also told by the server admins is an internal Mailman problem, is that often the Mailman processes, while outwardly appearing to run, just "stop" working; mail gets queued up, and I have to restart the Mailman service to get the queue moving again. In the Mailman error log, I'm seeing the following tracebacks on an almost minute-by-minute basis: Jun 19 20:22:04 2007 (11284) Uncaught runner exception: Jun 19 20:22:04 2007 (11284) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 91, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 132, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 273, in send_i18n_digests msg = mbox.next() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/mailbox.py", line 35, in next return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop)) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 41, in _safeparser return email.message_from_file(fp, Message) File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", line 63, in message_from_file return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parse(fp) File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 218, in _parsebody payload[start:terminator]) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/sre.py", line 156, in split return _compile(pattern, 0).split(string, maxsplit) MemoryError Jun 19 20:22:04 2007 (11284) SHUNTING: 1182289757.230494+ae5c970b2a7ffee54cafa14a22bf0a5b052b671e Jun 19 20:23:11 2007 (11284) Uncaught runner exception: Jun 19 20:23:11 2007 (11284) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 91, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 132, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 273, in send_i18n_digests msg = mbox.next() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/mailbox.py", line 35, in next return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop)) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 41, in _safeparser return email.message_from_file(fp, Message) File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", line 63, in message_from_file return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parse(fp) File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 218, in _parsebody payload[start:terminator]) MemoryError Jun 19 20:23:11 2007 (11284) SHUNTING: 1182292904.783638+0a96719432d01f6522da13a1fb9ef301d37d0344 June 15 is when the first of these showed up, which leads me to believe it's a seperate issue from the non-delivery of email to all recipients of a list (which, of course, I could be completely wrong about), since the last time I received a message from this list was June 11. Any pointers or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I have asked the server admins if there could be a physical memory problem, which would cause the Memory Error listed above, and received a negative. I also have asked if the memory allocation for Python was sufficient, and was told it has access to all 16GB of memory that the server holds. I've also come across a suggestion to add the line " self.__conn.set_debuglevel(1)" to the SMTPDirect.py file and restarted Mailman, but that hasn't seemed to help either. Thanks in advance for any help, George Booth <>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<> George Booth iTech Applications Administrator G.Booth at usm.edu University of Southern Mississippi From adamsca at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 05:54:02 2007 From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:54:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem creating new list on the web - Unkown Virtual Host In-Reply-To: References: <27572d930706191402k38634465hd38607a171b581f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27572d930706192054o5618236cl789d19b74ad409bb@mail.gmail.com> Brad, Sorry for putting you through that. 'mailinglists.state.or.us' is not the actual domain name. I used it as an example. The actual name is 'listsmart.osl.state.or.us' and does exist in DNS. I have a server with 2 NICs. One of the NICs has the 'listsmart.osl.state.or.us' IP attached to it along with another IP. I don't know if that makes any difference. On 6/19/07, Brad Knowles wrote: > On 6/19/07, Christopher Adams wrote: > > > When I create a list via the web, I get the dreaded 'Unknown Virtual > > Host mailinglists.state.or.us' message. > > That name does not exist in the DNS: > > % dig mailinglists.state.or.us. any > > ; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>> mailinglists.state.or.us. any > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 49283 > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;mailinglists.state.or.us. IN ANY > > ;; Query time: 3 msec > ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) > ;; WHEN: Tue Jun 19 18:30:48 2007 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 42 > > > % dig @lynx.state.or.us. mailinglists.state.or.us. any > > ; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>> @lynx.state.or.us. mailinglists.state.or.us. any > ; (1 server found) > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 12659 > ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;mailinglists.state.or.us. IN ANY > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > state.or.us. 3600 IN SOA lynx.state.or.us. > dns-admin.state.or.us. 2007061500 10800 1800 604800 3600 > > ;; Query time: 72 msec > ;; SERVER: 159.121.107.82#53(159.121.107.82) > ;; WHEN: Tue Jun 19 18:31:44 2007 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 93 > > > You might want to get that fixed. > > While you're at it, you should have your nameserver administrators > look into fixing the other things wrong with the domain -- see > . > > -- > Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author > LinkedIn Profile: > Slides from Invited Talks: > > 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 > -- Christopher Adams adamsca at gmail.com From msapiro at value.net Wed Jun 20 06:53:23 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:53:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Troublesome Mailman Errors In-Reply-To: <001b01c7b2e0$2f1e1eb0$f3cb5f83@elysium> Message-ID: George Booth wrote: > >I've been unable to find answers for two problems that have been plaguing me >for about a week or so now, and decided to turn to the list for help. We're >running Mailman on an IBM server with RedHat 2.6.9-42.0.10.EL-i686 > >The first problem is that messages sent to one of my lists (750+ members) >don't get propagated out to all the members. At this point, I'm not sure >what percentage is receiving and what percentage isn't receiving, but based >on small samplings, I think it's safe to conclude that more aren't receiving >than are. Checking the post log, I see the following for test messages I've >sent to the list; I know of 5 people who have received it, of which I am not >one: > >Jun 19 10:47:31 2007 (32175) post to usmtalk from g.booth at usm.edu, >size=2800, message-id=<005101c7b289$16a60070$f3cb5f83 at elysium>, 7 failures >Jun 19 15:20:28 2007 (32175) post to usmtalk from g.booth at usm.edu, >size=2646, message-id=<001301c7b2ad$9f179e40$f3cb5f83 at elysium>, 7 failures Look in Mailman's smtp and smtp-failure logs. smtp will tell you how many recipients were sent to and smtp-failure will tell you what the failure reasons are. >One person has been trying to send a message to the list for the last week; >he's tried 3 times and, although he's received all of my test messages to >the list, he has not seen his own messages come through. Has anyone else seen his posts? Are they in the archive? Does he have 'not metoo' set? Does he have 'no dups' set and Cc: himself?. Does he use gmail (see the end of ) >I myself have not >received any email from the list in around a week, and quite a few others >have received no messages at all either. I'm unable to get cooperation from >our server admins to get messages traced as they go through our rather >complex email system, and am told this is a Mailman problem, so I figured >I'd see what the experts think might be possible situations. > >The other issue we're facing, which I'm also told by the server admins is an >internal Mailman problem, is that often the Mailman processes, while >outwardly appearing to run, just "stop" working; mail gets queued up, and I >have to restart the Mailman service to get the queue moving again. In the >Mailman error log, I'm seeing the following tracebacks on an almost >minute-by-minute basis: > >Jun 19 20:22:04 2007 (11284) Uncaught runner exception: >Jun 19 20:22:04 2007 (11284) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in >_dopipeline > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 91, in process > send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 132, in >send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 273, in >send_i18n_digests > msg = mbox.next() > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/mailbox.py", line 35, in next > return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop)) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 41, in _safeparser > return email.message_from_file(fp, Message) > File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", line 63, in >message_from_file > return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parse(fp) > File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 218, in _parsebody > payload[start:terminator]) > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/sre.py", line 156, in split > return _compile(pattern, 0).split(string, maxsplit) >MemoryError >Jun 19 20:22:04 2007 (11284) SHUNTING: >1182289757.230494+ae5c970b2a7ffee54cafa14a22bf0a5b052b671e There is a VERY large message in the lists//digest.mbox file for the list that is being posted to at the time that these errors occur. This is causing Mailman (IncomingRunner) to grow large in parsing this message to the point it is denied additional memory by the OS. Find the offending list and either move the digest.mbox aside or edit the file and remove the huge message. You should be able to find the digest.mbox by just looking for the huge one. What actually happens here is IncomingRunner is processing a new post. It adds the post to digest.mbox for an eventual digest and then sees that digest.mbox exceeds digest_size_threshhold and tries to send a digest now and encounters the error. This is an older Mailman as the current release will catch the exception and not shunt the message, but digests will still be blocked. Once you fix the digest.mbox, you can run bin/unshunt to finish processing the messages, although it is a good idea to first examine the messages in qfiles/shunt with bin/show_qfiles to make sure all are wanted. >June 15 is when the first of these showed up, which leads me to believe it's >a seperate issue from the non-delivery of email to all recipients of a list >(which, of course, I could be completely wrong about), since the last time I >received a message from this list was June 11. It's the reason no one has received a message from this list since June 15. It is not related to prior non-receipts. >Any pointers or suggestions >would be greatly appreciated. I have asked the server admins if there could >be a physical memory problem, which would cause the Memory Error listed >above, and received a negative. I also have asked if the memory allocation >for Python was sufficient, and was told it has access to all 16GB of memory >that the server holds. I've also come across a suggestion to add the line " >self.__conn.set_debuglevel(1)" to the SMTPDirect.py file and restarted >Mailman, but that hasn't seemed to help either. You're not getting to SMTPDirect.py because the messages are shunted before delivery. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From hopkins.jenny at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 14:17:52 2007 From: hopkins.jenny at gmail.com (Jenny Hopkins) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:17:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] lurker behaving strangely Message-ID: <9713998d0706200517u322abceap1a52110f86d48c5e@mail.gmail.com> Hullo there, I've recently taken over the admin of a server running mailman and lurker, for several mailing lists. It was noticed that the archives were out of date and new messages weren't archiving. I traced the problem in the end to the mailman mm_cfg.py script having PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'usr/bin/lurker-index-mm -l %(listname)s -m' rather than the newer wrapper /usr/bin/lurker-index-lc, the wrapper script probably having been updated in an upgrade from debian sarge to etch. I did a mass import sudo /usr/bin/lurker-index -v -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf -l -i /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/.mbox/.mbox The mails now all appeared up to date in the webpage showing the archives, and new posts appeared as they should. Hoorah! A few days later, I got a mail from someone telling me the archives had vanished again. On looking, the lurker page showed old mails once again. The external archiver error log has non-zero exit status: 127 again. Re-running the mass import for one of the lists adds only two test mails I sent since fixing the individual archiver. What is going on?! I'm completely bewildered. Any help appreciated, I realise this post is probably a bit garbled. Thanks, Jenny From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 14:46:24 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:46:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom verify.txt has Wrong Content-Type Message-ID: I have created a custom verify.txt for one of my lists, that is bilingual, English & Chinese. It is in $PREFIX/lists//en It goes out just fine, but the MIME Content-Type is wrong for this file to be read properly. It has a charset of us-ascii. Is there anyway to change it to utf-8 easily or do I need to change the source code somewhere? -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From hopkins.jenny at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 15:02:29 2007 From: hopkins.jenny at gmail.com (Jenny Hopkins) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:02:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] lurker behaving strangely In-Reply-To: <9713998d0706200517u322abceap1a52110f86d48c5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <9713998d0706200517u322abceap1a52110f86d48c5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9713998d0706200602v6c1c1161vbdf41bc7c4954665@mail.gmail.com> On 20/06/07, Jenny Hopkins wrote: > Hullo there, > > I've recently taken over the admin of a server running mailman and > lurker, for several mailing lists. > > It was noticed that the archives were out of date and new messages > weren't archiving. I traced the problem in the end to the mailman > mm_cfg.py script having > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'usr/bin/lurker-index-mm -l %(listname)s -m' > rather than the newer wrapper /usr/bin/lurker-index-lc, the wrapper > script probably having been updated in an upgrade from debian sarge to > etch. > > I did a mass import > sudo /usr/bin/lurker-index -v -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf -l > -i /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/.mbox/.mbox > > The mails now all appeared up to date in the webpage showing the > archives, and new posts appeared as they should. > Hoorah! > > A few days later, I got a mail from someone telling me the archives > had vanished again. > > On looking, the lurker page showed old mails once again. The external > archiver error log has non-zero exit status: 127 again. > > Re-running the mass import for one of the lists adds only two test > mails I sent since fixing the individual archiver. > Further info on this post. The archive mbox still has the complete set of mails in it. lurker webpage shows, as I said, only old mails. If I click on thread tree it seems to know about the other mails there should be in that thread, but says they are 'deleted'. Even if I rerun the lurker-index to reimport mails they think they are deleted. Using the -d option leaves the lurker db as the original size, without it it doubles so it obviously is importing correctly. Why would the lurker database think mails are deleted? Thanks, Jenny From brad at shub-internet.org Wed Jun 20 20:13:27 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:13:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] lurker behaving strangely In-Reply-To: <9713998d0706200602v6c1c1161vbdf41bc7c4954665@mail.gmail.com> References: <9713998d0706200517u322abceap1a52110f86d48c5e@mail.gmail.com> <9713998d0706200602v6c1c1161vbdf41bc7c4954665@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/20/07, Jenny Hopkins wrote: > Why would the lurker database think mails are deleted? This is a problem with lurker and not Mailman. I've never even heard of lurker before, and I've been involved in running mailing lists for over a decade, and I've been involved in the Mailman project for several years. I suspect you'll get a lot more help with your problem if you consult the documentation for lurker, their FAQ, their mailing lists, etc.... That said, knowing nothing at all about the particular external archiver you're using, it sounds to me like you might have a cron job left lying around from before your upgrade and which is pulling up the old wrapper script with the old configuration details, and isn't working as desired. At the very least, it wouldn't hurt to check your cron jobs to make sure they're all in order. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From G.Booth at usm.edu Wed Jun 20 20:36:39 2007 From: G.Booth at usm.edu (George Booth) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:36:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Troublesome Mailman Errors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c7b369$f1171bf0$f3cb5f83@elysium> Mark Sapiro wrote: >There is a VERY large message in the lists//digest.mbox file >for the list that is being posted to at the time that these errors >occur. >This is causing Mailman (IncomingRunner) to grow large in parsing this >message to the point it is denied additional memory by the OS. >Find the offending list and either move the digest.mbox aside or edit >the file and remove the huge message. You should be able to find the >digest.mbox by just looking for the huge one. There was indeed a very large digest.mbox for one of the lists (not for the one we've been having issues with, though), so I removed the digest.mbox (that list is set up to be used as a departmental email address, so there are only 2 recipients on the list and they weren't digesting anyway), and that removed the MemoryErrors I've been seeing. BTW, I should mention that my version of Mailman is 2.1.5 However, now I'm getting different errors. When I restarted Mailman after removing the digest.mbox file, the errors were: Jun 20 05:36:40 2007 (28020) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port smtp Jun 20 06:00:13 2007 (20879) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port smtp Jun 20 08:02:55 2007 (23371) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port smtp Each instance above is after a restart of the Mailman service. The server admins checked smtp on the box, did somethings that they didn't share with me, and now, I'm getting: Jun 20 09:17:20 2007 (31631) Uncaught runner exception: SMTP instance has no attribute 'sock' Jun 20 09:17:20 2007 (31631) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 163, in process conn.quit() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 90, in quit self.__conn.quit() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/smtplib.py", line 708, in quit self.docmd("quit") File "/usr/lib/python2.3/smtplib.py", line 369, in docmd self.putcmd(cmd,args) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/smtplib.py", line 325, in putcmd self.send(str) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/smtplib.py", line 310, in send if self.sock: AttributeError: SMTP instance has no attribute 'sock' Jun 20 09:17:20 2007 (31631) SHUNTING: 1182344407.694294+91d21113f1e46e0b450308adbe350c1c50faeff1 At this point, I now have 1500+ emails in the outgoing queue, which won't go anywhere. I've done more checking online and found several things to try, including testing Python's smtp connection, and changed the SMTPHOST from 'localhost' to the actual IP of the box in mm_cfg.py, just in case, with no change. My mailman/smtp log shows some messages going through: Jun 20 09:41:03 2007 (15107) <200706201149.l5KBnHH0029291 at mail.usm.edu> smtp for 2 recips, completed in 0.009 seconds Jun 20 09:41:03 2007 (15107) <200706201150.l5KBoNUw006869 at auxprd.usm.edu> smtp for 6 recips, completed in 0.005 seconds Jun 20 09:41:03 2007 (15107) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.003 seconds Jun 20 09:41:03 2007 (15107) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.009 seconds Jun 20 09:41:03 2007 (15107) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.003 seconds Jun 20 09:41:03 2007 (15107) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.008 seconds Jun 20 09:41:06 2007 (15547) <200706201200.l5KC00cm000949 at www.usm.edu> smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.733 seconds Jun 20 11:10:39 2007 (28494) <001601c25c6a$f7e82470$001ad6b4 at casa9cfb6824b4> smtp for 3 recips, completed in 3599.674 seconds Jun 20 12:10:39 2007 (28494) <001501c7b31a$e9beb6a0$000a4dd4 at ntserver> smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3599.660 seconds Jun 20 13:10:39 2007 (28494) <2154.82.128.1.35.1181656670.squirrel at 72.36.213.90> smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3599.643 seconds But my post log shows failures: Jun 20 09:41:03 2007 (15107) post to george from mail at usm.edu, size=74664, message-id=<200706201149.l5KBnHH0029291 at mail.usm.edu>, 2 failures Jun 20 09:41:03 2007 (15107) post to appsupport from appsup at auxprd.usm.edu, size=2249, message-id=<200706201150.l5KBoNUw006869 at auxprd.usm.edu>, 6 failures Jun 20 09:41:03 2007 (15107) post to sharecare from sharecare-bounces at usm.edu, size=1010, message-id=, 1 failures Jun 20 09:41:03 2007 (15107) post to sharecare from sharecare-owner at usm.edu, size=5000, message-id=, 1 failures Jun 20 09:41:03 2007 (15107) post to rutabaga from rutabaga-bounces at usm.edu, size=1024, message-id=, 1 failures Jun 20 09:41:03 2007 (15107) post to rutabaga from rutabaga-owner at usm.edu, size=3794, message-id=, 1 failures Jun 20 09:41:06 2007 (15547) post to system-reports from root at www.usm.edu, size=2264, message-id=<200706201200.l5KC00cm000949 at www.usm.edu>, 1 failures Jun 20 11:10:39 2007 (28494) post to itc from dlamongst at link2rewards.com, size=2524, message-id=<001601c25c6a$f7e82470$001ad6b4 at casa9cfb6824b4>, 3 failures Jun 20 12:10:39 2007 (28494) post to hr from scredential at adore.dk, size=3975, message-id=<001501c7b31a$e9beb6a0$000a4dd4 at ntserver>, 1 failures Jun 20 13:10:39 2007 (28494) post to med.relations from edward_moore22 at yahoo.co.uk, size=4429, message-id=<2154.82.128.1.35.1181656670.squirrel at 72.36.213.90>, 1 failures And not that many attempts, based on the number of messages waiting in the outgoing queue. The smtp-failure log doesn't show anything useful that I can see: Jun 20 09:59:57 2007 (23726) Low level smtp error: [Errno 32] Broken pipe, msgid: <001601c25c6a$f7e82470$001ad6b4 at casa9cfb6824b4> Jun 20 10:10:40 2007 (28494) Low level smtp error: [Errno 32] Broken pipe, msgid: <001601c25c6a$f7e82470$001ad6b4 at casa9cfb6824b4> Jun 20 11:10:39 2007 (28494) delivery to Steven.Blesse at usm.edu failed with code -1: [Errno 32] Broken pipe Jun 20 11:10:39 2007 (28494) delivery to Shelton.Houston at usm.edu failed with code -1: [Errno 32] Broken pipe Jun 20 11:10:39 2007 (28494) delivery to Christopher.Herrod at usm.edu failed with code -1: [Errno 32] Broken pipe Jun 20 11:10:40 2007 (28494) Low level smtp error: [Errno 32] Broken pipe, msgid: <001501c7b31a$e9beb6a0$000a4dd4 at ntserver> Jun 20 12:10:39 2007 (28494) delivery to Amy.Byxbe at usm.edu failed with code -1: [Errno 32] Broken pipe Jun 20 12:10:39 2007 (28494) Low level smtp error: [Errno 32] Broken pipe, msgid: <2154.82.128.1.35.1181656670.squirrel at 72.36.213.90> Jun 20 13:10:39 2007 (28494) delivery to Tyshuna.Dyess at usm.edu failed with code -1: [Errno 32] Broken pipe Jun 20 13:10:39 2007 (28494) Low level smtp error: [Errno 32] Broken pipe, msgid: <200706200100.l5K101Nx032748 at auxprd.usm.edu> At this point, I'm at a loss. I've gone through the steps outline in the FAQ entry "4.78. Troubleshooting: No mail going out to lists members", and all seems well there. Only other thing I can think of is that under my /var/mailman/locks directory, I have the following: [root at mail1 locks]# ls -al total 8 drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jun 20 13:30 . drwxrwsr-x 21 root mailman 4096 Jun 19 20:02 .. -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 53 Jun 21 2007 master-qrunner -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 53 Jun 21 2007 master-qrunner.mail1.usm.edu.28475 -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 53 Jan 18 2006 master-qrunner.mail.usm.edu.1757.1 [root at mail1 locks]# I don't know if these are required or if I should delete them, or if they even have anything whatsoever to do with the issue at hand. I did find it odd that two of them seem to be dated as June 21, 2007, which is tomorrow (assuming I read that correctly), although a check of the "date" command on the server shows the correct date and time. Once again, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, George Booth <>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<> George Booth iTech Applications Administrator G.Booth at usm.edu University of Southern Mississippi From hopkins.jenny at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 20:43:29 2007 From: hopkins.jenny at gmail.com (Jenny Hopkins) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:43:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] lurker behaving strangely In-Reply-To: References: <9713998d0706200517u322abceap1a52110f86d48c5e@mail.gmail.com> <9713998d0706200602v6c1c1161vbdf41bc7c4954665@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9713998d0706201143oc677ffp44173e6e76e5ec82@mail.gmail.com> On 20/06/07, Brad Knowles wrote: > On 6/20/07, Jenny Hopkins wrote: > > > Why would the lurker database think mails are deleted? > > This is a problem with lurker and not Mailman. I've never even heard > of lurker before, and I've been involved in running mailing lists for > over a decade, and I've been involved in the Mailman project for > several years. > > I suspect you'll get a lot more help with your problem if you consult > the documentation for lurker, their FAQ, their mailing lists, etc.... > I'm sorry - I presumed lurker was a sort of add-on to mailman, and thought I saw references to it as I went through the mailman archives. (Googling for 'lurker' and anything to do with mailing lists or irc tends to bring up the wrong references :-)) > > That said, knowing nothing at all about the particular external > archiver you're using, it sounds to me like you might have a cron job > left lying around from before your upgrade and which is pulling up > the old wrapper script with the old configuration details, and isn't > working as desired. > > At the very least, it wouldn't hurt to check your cron jobs to make > sure they're all in order. > Thanks, Brad, I'll check this out. Sorry for mis-post. Jenny From jon.slater at mesanetworks.net Thu Jun 21 00:29:30 2007 From: jon.slater at mesanetworks.net (Jon Slater) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:29:30 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I lost my patch :-( Message-ID: <03fc01c7b38a$784476c0$68cd6440$@slater@mesanetworks.net> I had to re-install MM from scratch this weekend. A long time ago, I had installed a patch that allowed ALL of the member?s of one group to send mail to another group. Example: In my ?board_member? list, under ?Privacy options? (Sender filters). I have: ?@members? in the box labeled ?List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted? That way, anyone on the ?member?s? list can e-mail the ?board_member? list. But, in order for this to work, there was a patch that I had to install in MM. I remember it was really easy to do, but I can?t find my instructions. Does anyone know where that?s explained? And how I get it back? Thanks! Jon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Jun 21 03:35:28 2007 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:35:28 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I lost my patch :-( In-Reply-To: <03fc01c7b38a$784476c0$68cd6440$@slater@mesanetworks.net> References: <03fc01c7b38a$784476c0$68cd6440$@slater@mesanetworks.net> Message-ID: <4679D5E0.2010005@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> > In my ?board_member? list, under ?Privacy options? (Sender filters). I > have: > > ?@members? in the box labeled ?List of non-member addresses whose postings > should be automatically accepted? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1220144&group_id=103&atid=300103 From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Jun 21 05:45:57 2007 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:45:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] lurker behaving strangely In-Reply-To: <9713998d0706201143oc677ffp44173e6e76e5ec82@mail.gmail.com> References: <9713998d0706200517u322abceap1a52110f86d48c5e@mail.gmail.com> <9713998d0706200602v6c1c1161vbdf41bc7c4954665@mail.gmail.com> <9713998d0706201143oc677ffp44173e6e76e5ec82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/20/07, Jenny Hopkins wrote: > I'm sorry - I presumed lurker was a sort of add-on to mailman, and > thought I saw references to it as I went through the mailman archives. > (Googling for 'lurker' and anything to do with mailing lists or irc > tends to bring up the wrong references :-)) Well, it is an add-on. However, it's not included as part of the standard Mailman package that we provide, and there really aren't any official parts of Mailman that aren't included in that package. In this case, it's an add-on that is provided by some third party, which makes use of hooks that we do provide as part of the Mailman package. So, there isn't any problem with those hooks (so far as I can tell), which means that whatever problems you're having would appear to be contained solely within that third-party add-on. >> At the very least, it wouldn't hurt to check your cron jobs to make >> sure they're all in order. >> > > Thanks, Brad, I'll check this out. Good luck. Please do let us know how things turn out. We don't provide official support for third-party add-ons, but it can be useful for us to provide links to where people can get support, in case someone else in the future follows the same logic that you did. -- Brad Knowles , Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: Slides from Invited Talks: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From msapiro at value.net Thu Jun 21 07:46:40 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:46:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Troublesome Mailman Errors In-Reply-To: <000e01c7b369$f1171bf0$f3cb5f83@elysium> Message-ID: George Booth wrote: >There was indeed a very large digest.mbox for one of the lists (not for the >one we've been having issues with, though), so I removed the digest.mbox >(that list is set up to be used as a departmental email address, so there >are only 2 recipients on the list and they weren't digesting anyway), and >that removed the MemoryErrors I've been seeing. BTW, I should mention that >my version of Mailman is 2.1.5 > >However, now I'm getting different errors. When I restarted Mailman after >removing the digest.mbox file, the errors were: > Various errors and tracebacks snipped. In your OP you said >I've also come across a suggestion to add the line > " self.__conn.set_debuglevel(1)" to the SMTPDirect.py file and > restarted Mailman, but that hasn't seemed to help either. No, but if it is still there it will definitely cause multiple problems of the type you are seeing with your Python version (2.3.?) That suggestion is only applicable to Python 2.4 and above. See . >At this point, I'm at a loss. I've gone through the steps outline in the FAQ >entry "4.78. Troubleshooting: No mail going out to lists members", and all >seems well there. Only other thing I can think of is that under my >/var/mailman/locks directory, I have the following: > >[root at mail1 locks]# ls -al >total 8 >drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jun 20 13:30 . >drwxrwsr-x 21 root mailman 4096 Jun 19 20:02 .. >-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 53 Jun 21 2007 master-qrunner >-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 53 Jun 21 2007 >master-qrunner.mail1.usm.edu.28475 >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 53 Jan 18 2006 >master-qrunner.mail.usm.edu.1757.1 >[root at mail1 locks]# > >I don't know if these are required or if I should delete them, or if they >even have anything whatsoever to do with the issue at hand. I did find it >odd that two of them seem to be dated as June 21, 2007, which is tomorrow >(assuming I read that correctly), although a check of the "date" command on >the server shows the correct date and time. I'm not sure about the date issue, but those are the mailmanctl locks that attempt to prevent you starting (not restarting) Mailman when it's already running. Those locks should be there and are not the cause of your problems. If you still have the self.__conn.set_debuglevel(1) in SMTPDirect.py, remove it, and then let us know if there are any errors/problems remaining. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From alfrag at econ.soc.uoc.gr Thu Jun 21 10:25:16 2007 From: alfrag at econ.soc.uoc.gr (Alexandros Fragkiadakis) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:25:16 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] backup lists Message-ID: <2044.147.52.239.225.1182414316.squirrel@147.52.239.224> hi all, sorry if this question has been asked before. How can i backup my lists and their configuration options? Regards, Alexandros -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From G.Booth at usm.edu Thu Jun 21 13:21:24 2007 From: G.Booth at usm.edu (George Booth) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:21:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Troublesome Mailman Errors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c7b3f6$4d99f2d0$f3cb5f83@elysium> Mark, Removing that line indeed caused our listserv mail to flow once again. You are a genius! I still got a failure showing up in the /var/log/mailman/post log when when I tried sending a test message to the list that hasn't been delivering to everyone, but I'm just glad the mail is flowing again. :) And I guess Mailman is using the 2.3 installation of Python on our system; I did a search on Python to see which version we were using, and it appears we have both 2.3 and 2.6.16 installed (I'd thought maybe we were using the 2.6.16 until I saw the 2.3 version up there - I'll ask the server admins to verify that). I also did still see the smtp error in the /var/log/mailman/error log when I restarted Mailman after removing that line: Jun 21 05:48:11 2007 (28494) Cannot connect to SMTP server 131.95.82.161 on port smtp But since mail is flowing, I don't know if I should even concern myself over that or not. Anyway, thank you again! Next time I make it to San Francisco, I owe you a beer. :) Thanks, George Booth -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:47 AM To: George Booth; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Troublesome Mailman Errors George Booth wrote: >There was indeed a very large digest.mbox for one of the lists (not for the >one we've been having issues with, though), so I removed the digest.mbox >(that list is set up to be used as a departmental email address, so there >are only 2 recipients on the list and they weren't digesting anyway), and >that removed the MemoryErrors I've been seeing. BTW, I should mention that >my version of Mailman is 2.1.5 > >However, now I'm getting different errors. When I restarted Mailman after >removing the digest.mbox file, the errors were: > Various errors and tracebacks snipped. In your OP you said >I've also come across a suggestion to add the line > " self.__conn.set_debuglevel(1)" to the SMTPDirect.py file and > restarted Mailman, but that hasn't seemed to help either. No, but if it is still there it will definitely cause multiple problems of the type you are seeing with your Python version (2.3.?) That suggestion is only applicable to Python 2.4 and above. See . >At this point, I'm at a loss. I've gone through the steps outline in the FAQ >entry "4.78. Troubleshooting: No mail going out to lists members", and all >seems well there. Only other thing I can think of is that under my >/var/mailman/locks directory, I have the following: > >[root at mail1 locks]# ls -al >total 8 >drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jun 20 13:30 . >drwxrwsr-x 21 root mailman 4096 Jun 19 20:02 .. >-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 53 Jun 21 2007 master-qrunner >-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 53 Jun 21 2007 >master-qrunner.mail1.usm.edu.28475 >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 53 Jan 18 2006 >master-qrunner.mail.usm.edu.1757.1 >[root at mail1 locks]# > >I don't know if these are required or if I should delete them, or if they >even have anything whatsoever to do with the issue at hand. I did find it >odd that two of them seem to be dated as June 21, 2007, which is tomorrow >(assuming I read that correctly), although a check of the "date" command on >the server shows the correct date and time. I'm not sure about the date issue, but those are the mailmanctl locks that attempt to prevent you starting (not restarting) Mailman when it's already running. Those locks should be there and are not the cause of your problems. If you still have the self.__conn.set_debuglevel(1) in SMTPDirect.py, remove it, and then let us know if there are any errors/problems remaining. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jon.slater at mesanetworks.net Thu Jun 21 15:14:46 2007 From: jon.slater at mesanetworks.net (Jon Slater) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:14:46 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spamd error message Message-ID: <005b01c7b406$23f1ef90$6bd5ceb0$@slater@mesanetworks.net> Hmmm? Everything *seems* to be working? But when I check my log files, I see: Jun 20 18:50:21 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost Jun 20 18:50:22 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost Jun 20 18:50:22 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost Jun 20 18:50:22 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost Jun 20 18:50:33 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost Jun 20 18:54:01 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost Jun 20 19:18:42 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost Jun 20 19:53:37 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost Jun 20 21:03:58 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost Jun 20 21:03:58 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost Jun 20 21:03:59 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost Jun 20 21:16:22 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost What?s wrong? Thanks! Jon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM From msapiro at value.net Thu Jun 21 16:40:41 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:40:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Troublesome Mailman Errors In-Reply-To: <000901c7b3f6$4d99f2d0$f3cb5f83@elysium> Message-ID: George Booth wrote: > >Removing that line indeed caused our listserv mail to flow once again. You >are a genius! I still got a failure showing up in the /var/log/mailman/post >log when when I tried sending a test message to the list that hasn't been >delivering to everyone, but I'm just glad the mail is flowing again. :) OK. That's good. Now we can get back to the original non-delivery problem. >And >I guess Mailman is using the 2.3 installation of Python on our system; The tracebacks in your posts showed Python library modules loaded from /usr/lib/python2.3 so that's the version Mailman is using. > I did >a search on Python to see which version we were using, and it appears we >have both 2.3 and 2.6.16 installed (I'd thought maybe we were using the >2.6.16 until I saw the 2.3 version up there - I'll ask the server admins to >verify that). I don't know what 2.6.16 would be. The latest Python is 2.5.1. >I also did still see the smtp error in the /var/log/mailman/error log when I >restarted Mailman after removing that line: > >Jun 21 05:48:11 2007 (28494) Cannot connect to SMTP server 131.95.82.161 on >port smtp > >But since mail is flowing, I don't know if I should even concern myself over >that or not. This is different. Last time you reported "Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port smtp". Did you add SMTPHOST = '131.95.82.161' to mm_cfg.py in the mean time. This message comes from OutgoingRunner when SMTPDirect.py is unable to connect to the server because of a Python library socket.error exception. It is only logged once, the first time it occurs after OutgoingRunner is (re)started. What do you see in Mailman's smtp and smtp-failure logs? There is something flakey between Mailman and the outgoing MTA. This is quite possibly the cause of your lost messages, but we need to see some more clues which may be in the smtp-failure log. It is puzzling because usually, a "Cannot connect" problem is a hard failure and no mail goes out at all. >Anyway, thank you again! Next time I make it to San Francisco, I owe you a >beer. :) I'll accept. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Jun 21 16:44:30 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:44:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spamd error message In-Reply-To: <005b01c7b406$23f1ef90$6bd5ceb0$@slater@mesanetworks.net> Message-ID: Jon Slater wrote: >Hmmm Everything *seems* to be working > >But when I check my log files, I see: > >Jun 20 18:50:21 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost In what log do you see this? Why do you think this is a Mailman issue? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From pdbogen at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 17:09:37 2007 From: pdbogen at gmail.com (Patrick Bogen) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:09:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] backup lists In-Reply-To: <2044.147.52.239.225.1182414316.squirrel@147.52.239.224> References: <2044.147.52.239.225.1182414316.squirrel@147.52.239.224> Message-ID: <6fbe3da00706210809y7ae1cdbbw178b568a3cebd322@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/07, Alexandros Fragkiadakis wrote: > sorry if this question has been asked before. How can i backup my lists > and their configuration options? Searching the FAQ for 'backup' reveals FAQ 4.18 , "4.18. How do I backup my lists and their configurations/membership rosters?" -- - Patrick Bogen From msapiro at value.net Thu Jun 21 17:16:38 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:16:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom verify.txt has Wrong Content-Type In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bryan Carbonnell wrote: >I have created a custom verify.txt for one of my lists, that is >bilingual, English & Chinese. > >It is in $PREFIX/lists//en > >It goes out just fine, but the MIME Content-Type is wrong for this >file to be read properly. It has a charset of us-ascii. > >Is there anyway to change it to utf-8 easily or do I need to change >the source code somewhere? This is not the normal way to handle a bilingual list. For discussion, I'm going to use 'zh-CN - Chinese (China)' but it could just as well be 'zh-TW - Chinese (Taiwan)', 'fr - French' or any other language for which there is a Mailman translation. First make sure that the desired language, Chinese (China) is checked in available_languages ont the Language options page in the admin interface. Then when a user requests subscription via the web, the user can specify Chinese (China) as their preferred language and they will receive the zh-CN version of verify.txt rather than the en version. You can still make a list specific template in english in $PREFIX/lists//en and chinese in $PREFIX/lists//zh-CN if the default template isn't suitable for the list. If you really want to make the english template bilingual and the charset utf-8, you can change the charset for english. In general, changing the charset can be problematic because the charset in which the language messages and templates are encoded may not be compatible with the new charset, but changing english to utf-8 should be OK as utf-8 is a superset of the default us-ascii. To make this specific change, put add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'utf-8') in mm_cfg.py and restart Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From slc at publicus.net Thu Jun 21 18:32:37 2007 From: slc at publicus.net (Steven Clift) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:32:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature comparison chart? Message-ID: <0a4601c7b421$c8e379e0$6600a8c0@publicus> Does anyone know of a feature comparison chart that compares Mailman to tools like: Sympa (open source) GroupServer (open source, zope-based) Listserv (commercial) YahooGroups (ad supported) GoogleGroups (ad supported) Thanks, Steven Clift . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Steven Clift - clift at publicus.net Web: http://publicus.net Blog: http://dowire.org/notes NGO: http://e-democracy.org Replies to slc@ may be missed. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From carbonnb at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 20:05:02 2007 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:05:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom verify.txt has Wrong Content-Type In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/21/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > This is not the normal way to handle a bilingual list. For discussion, I know it's not the normal way to do things. I like to do things the hard way :) Actually I am trying to do away with access to the web interface altogether for the end users. I am just talking about e-mail MIME encoding only. > You can still make a list specific template in english in > $PREFIX/lists//en > and chinese in $PREFIX/lists//zh-CN if the default template > isn't suitable for the list. Which I have done, with the english templates, by making them bilingual. > If you really want to make the english template bilingual and the > charset utf-8, you can change the charset for english. In general, > changing the charset can be problematic because the charset in which > the language messages and templates are encoded may not be compatible > with the new charset, but changing english to utf-8 should be OK as > utf-8 is a superset of the default us-ascii. Hmmm, that hadn't occured to me. I may have to revisit this down the road then. > To make this specific change, put > > add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'utf-8') > > in mm_cfg.py and restart Mailman. Thanks, -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From Aaron.Schubert at dhss.mo.gov Thu Jun 21 21:03:43 2007 From: Aaron.Schubert at dhss.mo.gov (Aaron Schubert) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:03:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] stat=unknown mailer error 2 Message-ID: <467A853A.AB84.001A.0@dhss.mo.gov> When sending an email message to a test list on our mailman list server I receive the following error in the sendmail maillog. Here is the maillog entry. Jun 21 13:55:50 listserv1 sendmail[4764]: l5LItoG2004763: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post unixtest", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30989, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 2 I am not sure what is happening but it looks like the error is when it tries to post. Does anyone know what the stat=unknown mailer error 2 means and how to correct it? Any help would be appreciated. From brianmaull at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 21:14:38 2007 From: brianmaull at yahoo.com (Brian Maull) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changed Firewall and Now Mailman is not working Message-ID: <293765.7317.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, We changed the firewall in our network and now our mailman installation is no longer working. From the server mailman is installed on I can access the internet just fine, so DNS and the default gateway are functioning. Is there anything in the mailman setup or in Red Hat 9 that I should check to see if it is pointing at my old firewall? Thanks, Brian From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 22 00:07:59 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:07:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] stat=unknown mailer error 2 In-Reply-To: <467A853A.AB84.001A.0@dhss.mo.gov> Message-ID: Aaron Schubert wrote: >When sending an email message to a test list on our mailman list server I receive the following error in the sendmail maillog. Here is the maillog entry. > >Jun 21 13:55:50 listserv1 sendmail[4764]: l5LItoG2004763: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post unixtest", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30989, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 2 > >I am not sure what is happening but it looks like the error is when it tries to post. Does anyone know what the stat=unknown mailer error 2 means and how to correct it? Any help would be appreciated. It means the /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman wrapper exited with a "group mismatch" error. See for more generic info on this error and its correction. There is a more detailed error message that may not be in your MTA logs but should at least be in the DSN returned to the poster. This detailed message will tell you as what group the wrapper was invoked and what group was expected. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 22 00:15:34 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:15:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changed Firewall and Now Mailman is not working In-Reply-To: <293765.7317.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brian Maull wrote: > We changed the firewall in our network and now our mailman installation is no longer working. From the server mailman is installed on I can access the internet just fine, so DNS and the default gateway are functioning. This says nothing about the DNS records for your server. It only says you can access DNS records for the internet names you try to access. It doesn't say that I can find proper DNS records to allow me to access you or send mail to you. >Is there anything in the mailman setup or in Red Hat 9 that I should check to see if it is pointing at my old firewall? What doesn't work? Can you access Mailman's web interface? Do post's bounce? If so, why? If not, do they reach Mailman's archives? Are they logged in Mailman's post log and smtp log. Is there anything in Mailman's smtp-failure log? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jonsson at mj1.mine.nu Fri Jun 22 00:14:32 2007 From: jonsson at mj1.mine.nu (mattias jonsson) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:14:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman for windows Message-ID: <000001c7b451$8b6018f0$0500a8c0@liomk23cfxd68z> Hm exist mailman for windows?? From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 22 00:51:36 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:51:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman for windows In-Reply-To: <000001c7b451$8b6018f0$0500a8c0@liomk23cfxd68z> Message-ID: mattias jonsson wrote: >Hm exist mailman for windows?? You can run Python, Mailman, an MTA and a web server under cygwin on Windows, but there are security and other issues that make this a poor choice for a production installation. See also and . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 22 00:58:47 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:58:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changed Firewall and Now Mailman is not working In-Reply-To: <1728417820-1182465331-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-502697269-@bxe106.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: brianmaull at yahoo.com wrote: > >Posts get to the mailman server, but don't make it to the archives, bounce, or go out to the list. It is not clear to me why posts are not getting to the archive. If everything worked before and the firewall is the only change and the posts reach Mailman, the should get to the archive even if they can't get sent out. Is there anything in Mailman's error log? >There is nothing in the smtp failure log, but there are errors in another log that say (Name service error for yahoo.ca: Host not found, try again). Which other log? See for some hints on this one. >I can ping yahoo.ca no problem from the server Can you connect to port 25 at yahoo.ca (something that your firewall may well be blocking). -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 22 01:15:55 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:15:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moved lists and now they don't work In-Reply-To: <0AFB8437-04DC-433B-A4CB-304DFF0E621B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: carconni wrote: > >Thank you, moving public out of the /var/mailman/archives/public >directory helped, now I can see my lists but I've lost my archives >and it doesn't seem to matter how many times or where I run /usr/ >share/mailman/bin/check_perms -f, I'm still getting these crazy >errors on various tasks: > >IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/private/var/mailman/ >archives/private/ui.mbox/ui.mbox' So there is no '/private/var/mailman/archives/private/ui.mbox/ui.mbox' file. Did you move it? It should exist. >IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/private/var/mailman/ >archives/private/blogsafety-requests.mbox/blogsafety-requests.mbox' Likewise '/private/var/mailman/archives/private/blogsafety-requests.mbox/blogsafety-requests.mbox'. >IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/archives/ >private/tvguide-requests/index.html' What are the permissions on this path? They should be similar to [msapiro at sb7 var]$ ls -ld mailman drwxrwsr-x 19 root mailman 4096 Mar 3 21:02 mailman/ [msapiro at sb7 var]$ ls -ld mailman/archives drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 4096 Mar 21 2005 mailman/archives/ [msapiro at sb7 var]$ ls -ld mailman/archives/private drwxrws--x 74 root mailman 4096 May 4 09:30 mailman/archives/private/ [msapiro at sb7 var]$ ls -ld mailman/archives/private/gpc-test drwxrwsr-x 14 msapiro mailman 4096 Apr 4 03:27 mailman/archives/private/gpc-test/ [msapiro at sb7 var]$ ls -l mailman/archives/private/gpc-test/index.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 msapiro mailman 4899 Apr 3 08:56 mailman/archives/private/gpc-test/index.html The owner (root, msapiro) is not important, but the group should be mailman in every case. > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 55, >in breaklink > os.unlink(link) >OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/private/var/mailman/ >archives/public/engineering' Is '/private/var/mailman/archives/public/engineering' a symlink to '/private/var/mailman/archives/private/engineering'? That's what it should be. What are the permissions on /private/var/mailman/archives/public? They should be similar to [msapiro at sb7 var]$ ls -ld mailman/archives/public drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 May 4 09:30 mailman/archives/public/ -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From bgmahesh at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 08:13:43 2007 From: bgmahesh at gmail.com (BG Mahesh) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:43:43 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hosting multiple domains on the same mailman installation Message-ID: <5227ac5c0706212313r6d6a4818k893558295c57b57a@mail.gmail.com> hi Currently we are hosting lists.xyz.com using Mailman. Can I use the same installation to host lists.abc.com ? I don't want the mailing lists of lists.abc.com to have a return id of lists.xyz.com. i.e. I want to host the following mailing list on the only server I have which hosts mailman, users at lists.xyz.com members at lists.xyz.com charter at lists.abc.com etc at lists.abc.com Any help is appreciated -- -- B.G. Mahesh http://www.greynium.com/ http://www.oneindia.in/ http://www.click.in/ - Free Indian Classifieds From depstein at enr-corp.com Fri Jun 22 17:31:16 2007 From: depstein at enr-corp.com (David Epstein) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:31:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Configuration Message-ID: I have been trying to get mailman to work on my box but unfortunately it refuses to work properly. While users can subscribe, when they send mail to the posting email address, they don't receive confirmation of the posting and the email isn't posted or sent to an administrator for confirmation. I'm probably missing or not understanding some random setting to get it to work properly. Any help would be appreciated! From dragon at crimson-dragon.com Fri Jun 22 17:51:54 2007 From: dragon at crimson-dragon.com (Dragon) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:51:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Configuration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200706221548.l5MFm7wP031673@unreal.eroded.org> David Epstein wrote: >I have been trying to get mailman to work on my box but unfortunately it >refuses to work properly. While users can subscribe, when they send >mail to the posting email address, they don't receive confirmation of >the posting and the email isn't posted or sent to an administrator for >confirmation. I'm probably missing or not understanding some random >setting to get it to work properly. > > > >Any help would be appreciated! ---------------- End original message. --------------------- We are going to need more detail than that. Are the Qrunners running? (Do "ps aux | grep mailman" as root to find out) What is your MTA? Have you set up the aliases for the list(s) so your MTA knows how to route list traffic? What is in the mailman error, smtp and vette logs? Dragon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 22 17:57:54 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:57:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hosting multiple domains on the same mailmaninstallation In-Reply-To: <5227ac5c0706212313r6d6a4818k893558295c57b57a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: BG Mahesh wrote: > >Currently we are hosting lists.xyz.com using Mailman. Can I use the same >installation to host lists.abc.com ? >I don't want the mailing lists of lists.abc.com to have a return id of >lists.xyz.com. i.e. I want to host the following mailing list on the only >server I have which hosts mailman, > >users at lists.xyz.com >members at lists.xyz.com > >charter at lists.abc.com >etc at lists.abc.com Put add_virtualhost('www.abc.com', 'lists.abc.com') in mm_cfg.py where www.abc.com is the host name you use for web access for the abc.com domain. Currently (Mailman 2.1), you are restricted in that you can't have the same list name in both domains. You also need to configure your web server and MTA appropriately. See bin/newlist --help for info on creating lists in the abc.com domain. For web create, visiting the 'create' page on the www.abc.com host will create the list in that domain. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From root at home.9records.com Fri Jun 22 17:52:11 2007 From: root at home.9records.com (Gio MBG Canepa root) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:52:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail from GioMBG > When I attempt to edit some user configuration I receive Internal Server Error (very strangerous! only on same user!) Message-ID: <200706221752.11798.root@home.9records.com> I All Mailman Staff! I have a strange error only when I attempt to modify some configurations on some mailman users... I can explane better: If I go here: http://home.9records.com/mailman/options/mailman/alkemy--at--mbg.it I can edit the user alkemy AT mbg.it but if I go here: http://home.9records.com/mailman/options/mailman/alexkenji--at--alexkenji.com I receive an INTERNAL SERVER ERROR! NB] The alkexkenji user esist and is active like the first user alkemy! I have this error when I click on the link of the user and at the same the user have the same kind of error when attemp to modify Yours mailman configuration by self... Any suggestions? MANY Thanks! GioMBG -- Gi? "MBG" Canepa - E Mail: mbg a mbg.it Phone & Fax +39 0541 985 737 - Mobile +39 393 33 567 07 http://www.mbg.it | http://www.9Records.com Snail mail P.O. Box 59 / 47838 Riccione Italy From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 22 19:13:35 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:13:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Configuration In-Reply-To: <200706221548.l5MFm7wP031673@unreal.eroded.org> Message-ID: Dragon wrote: >David Epstein wrote: >>I have been trying to get mailman to work on my box but unfortunately it >>refuses to work properly. While users can subscribe, when they send >>mail to the posting email address, they don't receive confirmation of >>the posting and the email isn't posted or sent to an administrator for >>confirmation. I'm probably missing or not understanding some random >>setting to get it to work properly. >> >> >> >>Any help would be appreciated! >---------------- End original message. --------------------- > >We are going to need more detail than that. > >Are the Qrunners running? (Do "ps aux | grep mailman" as root to find out) > >What is your MTA? > >Have you set up the aliases for the list(s) so your MTA knows how to >route list traffic? > >What is in the mailman error, smtp and vette logs? See for a list of things to check. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Jun 22 19:21:38 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:21:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail from GioMBG > When I attempt to edit some userconfiguration I receive Internal Server Error (verystrangerous! only on same user!) In-Reply-To: <200706221752.11798.root@home.9records.com> Message-ID: Gio MBG Canepa root wrote: > >I have a strange error only when I attempt to modify some configurations on >some mailman users... I can explane better: >If I go here: >http://home.9records.com/mailman/options/mailman/alkemy--at--mbg.it >I can edit the user alkemy AT mbg.it >but if I go here: >http://home.9records.com/mailman/options/mailman/alexkenji--at--alexkenji.com >I receive an INTERNAL SERVER ERROR! >NB] The alkexkenji user esist and is active like the first user alkemy! >I have this error when I click on the link of the user and at the same the >user have the same kind of error when attemp to modify Yours mailman >configuration by self... There is some corrupt data or other problem associated with the alexkenji--at--alexkenji.com user. There will be detailed error information in Mailman's 'error' log for these errors. This is the information we need to diagnose this problem. If you don't have access to this log, you need to work with the people who do. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From ddjones at riddlemaster.org Sat Jun 23 04:22:29 2007 From: ddjones at riddlemaster.org (Daniel D Jones) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:22:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message failures Message-ID: <200706222222.30200.ddjones@riddlemaster.org> I'm having an issue with Mailman being unable to send messages through qmail. I'm not sure which one has the problem, so I'm sending to both lists. As soon as I figure out which program is at fault, I'll remove the other list from any replies. I'm running a Debian server with Mailman and qmail. We recent had a brief power outage. I shut the server down, then rebooted. When it came back up, I'd stopped receiving mail. I troubleshot and found out that something I'd installed on the server had evidently installed qpopper as a dependency. It was binding to port 110 before qmail's pop3d, so pop3d obviously wasn't working. I uninstalled qpopper and thought that I had everything fixed. However, either mailman is not working correctly or qmail isn't allowing mailman to work. Messages are coming into the list. I receive the messages in my mailbox, located on the same server. (Both my address and the list address are @riddlemaster.org addresses.) However, none of the other list members are receiving mail. Checking the mailman/post logs, I see a great deal of this: Jun 22 17:42:59 2007 (2503) post to listname from rvh40 at xxxxx.com, size=3715, message-id=<6019BB4F-A03B-4CD3-93BF-1B58FD917B49 at xxxxx.com>, 16 failures Jun 22 20:22:59 2007 (2503) post to listname from rex at yyyyy.com, size=1920, message-id=<20070623002827.GI4853 at yyyyy.com>, 16 failures Jun 22 21:15:55 2007 (13367) post to listname from ddjones at riddlemaster.org, size=1481, message-id=<200706222124.18534.ddjones at riddlemaster.org>, 16 failures (List members email addresses obscured.) There are 17 addresses subbed to the list, including mine. So it appears that my email address is succeeding but all of the rest are failing. I don't find any errors or related entries in any of the qmail logs. I can email members of the list directly, using qmail on the same server that hosts mailman. So mail is flowing through the system, both in and out. For some reason, however, it appears that mailman can't send messages outside my domain. Any hints or suggestions on how to troubleshoot this issue would be greatly appreciated. From msapiro at value.net Sat Jun 23 06:44:35 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:44:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message failures In-Reply-To: <200706222222.30200.ddjones@riddlemaster.org> Message-ID: Daniel D Jones wrote: > >Messages are coming into the list. I receive the messages in my mailbox, >located on the same server. (Both my address and the list address are >@riddlemaster.org addresses.) However, none of the other list members are >receiving mail. Checking the mailman/post logs, I see a great deal of this: > >Jun 22 17:42:59 2007 (2503) post to listname from rvh40 at xxxxx.com, size=3715, >message-id=<6019BB4F-A03B-4CD3-93BF-1B58FD917B49 at xxxxx.com>, 16 failures >Jun 22 20:22:59 2007 (2503) post to listname from rex at yyyyy.com, size=1920, >message-id=<20070623002827.GI4853 at yyyyy.com>, 16 failures >Jun 22 21:15:55 2007 (13367) post to listname from ddjones at riddlemaster.org, >size=1481, message-id=<200706222124.18534.ddjones at riddlemaster.org>, 16 >failures > >(List members email addresses obscured.) There are 17 addresses subbed to the >list, including mine. So it appears that my email address is succeeding but >all of the rest are failing. I don't find any errors or related entries in >any of the qmail logs. What is in Mailman's smtp-failure log? Since failures are reported to Mailman at SMTP time, I'd say qmail is not accepting the other 16 recipients. The smtp-failure log should give more detail on the reason. I don't know why qmail wouldn't log this somewhere too. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sat Jun 23 07:38:36 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:38:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail from GioMBG > When I attempt to edit someuserconfiguration I receive Internal Server Error(verystrangerous! only on same user!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Sapiro wrote: >Gio MBG Canepa root wrote: >> >>I have a strange error only when I attempt to modify some configurations on >>some mailman users... I can explane better: >>If I go here: >>http://home.9records.com/mailman/options/mailman/alkemy--at--mbg.it >>I can edit the user alkemy AT mbg.it >>but if I go here: >>http://home.9records.com/mailman/options/mailman/alexkenji--at--alexkenji.com >>I receive an INTERNAL SERVER ERROR! >>NB] The alkexkenji user esist and is active like the first user alkemy! >>I have this error when I click on the link of the user and at the same the >>user have the same kind of error when attemp to modify Yours mailman >>configuration by self... > > >There is some corrupt data or other problem associated with the >alexkenji--at--alexkenji.com user. I still think this is correct, but >There will be detailed error information in Mailman's 'error' log for >these errors. This is the information we need to diagnose this problem. I misunderstood the error (I was thinking it was Mailman's 'we hit a bug' message, but it's not). There may or may not be anything in Mailman's error log about this. I still think it's likely, but not guaranteed. There will also probably be something in the apache error_log. It may or may not be more informative than "premature end of script headers". -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From ddjones at riddlemaster.org Sat Jun 23 17:52:34 2007 From: ddjones at riddlemaster.org (Daniel D Jones) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:52:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message failures - solved In-Reply-To: <200706222222.30200.ddjones@riddlemaster.org> References: <200706222222.30200.ddjones@riddlemaster.org> Message-ID: <200706231152.34923.ddjones@riddlemaster.org> On Friday 22 June 2007 22:22, Daniel D Jones wrote: > I'm having an issue with Mailman being unable to send messages through > qmail. I'm not sure which one has the problem, so I'm sending to both > lists. As soon as I figure out which program is at fault, I'll remove the > other list from any replies. > > I'm running a Debian server with Mailman and qmail. We recent had a brief > power outage. I shut the server down, then rebooted. When it came back > up, I'd stopped receiving mail. I troubleshot and found out that > something I'd installed on the server had evidently installed qpopper as a > dependency. It was binding to port 110 before qmail's pop3d, so pop3d > obviously wasn't working. I uninstalled qpopper and thought that I had > everything fixed. However, either mailman is not working correctly or qmail > isn't allowing mailman to work. > > Messages are coming into the list. I receive the messages in my mailbox, > located on the same server. (Both my address and the list address are > @riddlemaster.org addresses.) However, none of the other list members are > receiving mail. Checking the mailman/post logs, I see a great deal of > this: > > Jun 22 17:42:59 2007 (2503) post to listname from rvh40 at xxxxx.com, > size=3715, message-id=<6019BB4F-A03B-4CD3-93BF-1B58FD917B49 at xxxxx.com>, 16 > failures Jun 22 20:22:59 2007 (2503) post to listname from rex at yyyyy.com, > size=1920, message-id=<20070623002827.GI4853 at yyyyy.com>, 16 failures > Jun 22 21:15:55 2007 (13367) post to listname from > ddjones at riddlemaster.org, size=1481, > message-id=<200706222124.18534.ddjones at riddlemaster.org>, 16 failures > > (List members email addresses obscured.) There are 17 addresses subbed to > the list, including mine. So it appears that my email address is > succeeding but all of the rest are failing. I don't find any errors or > related entries in any of the qmail logs. > > I can email members of the list directly, using qmail on the same server > that hosts mailman. So mail is flowing through the system, both in and > out. For some reason, however, it appears that mailman can't send messages > outside my domain. Any hints or suggestions on how to troubleshoot this > issue would be greatly appreciated. Follow up with the resolution for the sake of anyone searching the archives at a later date. The issue turned out to be with qmail, not mailman. I had the following line in my tcp.smtp.cdb file: 127:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" The correct line is: 127.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" Notice the period after the 127. It tells qmail that the 127 is a wildcard. Without the period, it's taken as an exact match. This prevented any mail generated on the server from being sent outside the domain, but allowed mail coming from another authorized relay IP to get through. From puckett_chuck at hotmail.com Sat Jun 23 19:01:04 2007 From: puckett_chuck at hotmail.com (Chuck Puckett) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:01:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announcements only: setting? Message-ID: I have a list I use for announcements only (no user posts). My provider just moved the list from one server to another, and did so by copying the list membership. Unfortunately, the new list just had default settings, and my list members all started getting lots of emails as replies were sent out to everybody, etc. [Even caused some unsubscribing, as members suddenly thought they were going to be flooded by emails]. I changed list_post_header to NO, and that stopped the rampant replies, etc. Also, the copier forgot to set me as mod on my entry in the list, so my apology emailed got bounced. I set my mod bit on, and resent the apology, but it doesn't seem to have gone out. At least neither I nor my wife received it. What exactly are the settings to make a list "announcements-only" and to make sure I can still post? Thanks Chuck Puckett, Esq., BS, ~MS, ThD www.puckettpublishing.com "The unexamined life is not worth living." (Socrates) "The unexamined faith is not worth believing." (Chuck) "Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of the mind." (Arabian proverb) "I don't want to steal the show... I only want to borrow it for a while." (Chuck) From brian at emwd.com Sat Jun 23 19:13:23 2007 From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:13:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announcements only: setting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Chris: I have some instructions regarding this topic that I provide my mailman hosting clients. You can access them at: http://www.emwd.com/support/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarti cleid=19 Kind regards, Brian Carpenter -------------------------------------- EMWD - Executive Officer -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Puckett Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:01 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] announcements only: setting? I have a list I use for announcements only (no user posts). My provider just moved the list from one server to another, and did so by copying the list membership. Unfortunately, the new list just had default settings, and my list members all started getting lots of emails as replies were sent out to everybody, etc. [Even caused some unsubscribing, as members suddenly thought they were going to be flooded by emails]. I changed list_post_header to NO, and that stopped the rampant replies, etc. Also, the copier forgot to set me as mod on my entry in the list, so my apology emailed got bounced. I set my mod bit on, and resent the apology, but it doesn't seem to have gone out. At least neither I nor my wife received it. What exactly are the settings to make a list "announcements-only" and to make sure I can still post? Thanks Chuck Puckett, Esq., BS, ~MS, ThD www.puckettpublishing.com "The unexamined life is not worth living." (Socrates) "The unexamined faith is not worth believing." (Chuck) "Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of the mind." (Arabian proverb) "I don't want to steal the show... I only want to borrow it for a while." (Chuck) ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brian%40emwd.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp From msapiro at value.net Sat Jun 23 19:58:12 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:58:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announcements only: setting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chuck Puckett wrote > >I changed list_post_header to NO, and that stopped the rampant replies, etc. >Also, the copier forgot to set me as mod on my entry in the list, so my >apology emailed got bounced. I set my mod bit on, and resent the apology, >but it doesn't seem to have gone out. At least neither I nor my wife >received it. I'm confused. If anything, you would want moderation set Off for you, not On, and On for everyone else. >What exactly are the settings to make a list "announcements-only" and to >make sure I can still post? Thanks See for our suggestions. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From thezachflower at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 20:46:52 2007 From: thezachflower at gmail.com (thezachflower) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max_Message_Size Question Message-ID: <11269104.post@talk.nabble.com> I'm administering a mailing list and the users require a max message size of over 15MB. Setting the value to 0 is really the same as setting it to 3MB, which does not work as every attachment sent is at least 7MB. I've also tried to set the value to 15MB on the web config and it still sets the max size as 3MB. This is extremely important for this mailing list to be useful at all, does anybody have any suggestions as to how I can fix this? Thanks, Zachary Flower -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Max_Message_Size-Question-tf3970162.html#a11269104 Sent from the Mailman - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From msapiro at value.net Sat Jun 23 21:51:22 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:51:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max_Message_Size Question In-Reply-To: <11269104.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: thezachflower wrote: > >I'm administering a mailing list and the users require a max message size of >over 15MB. Setting the value to 0 is really the same as setting it to 3MB, If that is the case, I'm guessing that the 3MB limit is in your MTA or somewhere else outside of Mailman. >which does not work as every attachment sent is at least 7MB. I've also >tried to set the value to 15MB on the web config and it still sets the max >size as 3MB. This is extremely important for this mailing list to be useful >at all, does anybody have any suggestions as to how I can fix this? Are the messages being held in Mailman with a reason like Message body is too big: nn bytes with a limit of nn KB or are they behing held for some other reason or is something entirely different happening? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From puckett_chuck at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 03:40:08 2007 From: puckett_chuck at hotmail.com (Chuck Puckett) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:40:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announcements only: setting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It fails either way. Chuck Puckett, Esq., BS, ~MS, ThD www.puckettpublishing.com "The unexamined life is not worth living." (Socrates) "The unexamined faith is not worth believing." (Chuck) "Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of the mind." (Arabian proverb) "I don't want to steal the show... I only want to borrow it for a while." (Chuck) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 12:58 PM To: Chuck Puckett; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] announcements only: setting? Chuck Puckett wrote > >I changed list_post_header to NO, and that stopped the rampant replies, etc. >Also, the copier forgot to set me as mod on my entry in the list, so my >apology emailed got bounced. I set my mod bit on, and resent the apology, >but it doesn't seem to have gone out. At least neither I nor my wife >received it. I'm confused. If anything, you would want moderation set Off for you, not On, and On for everyone else. >What exactly are the settings to make a list "announcements-only" and to >make sure I can still post? Thanks See for our suggestions. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sun Jun 24 05:44:54 2007 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:44:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announcements only: setting? In-Reply-To: References:

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