[Mailman-Users] GMane?

[JC Dill]

Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 10:07 PM -0500 2006-02-15, John A. Martin wrote:
> 
>>  Heaven forfend!  What harm will Gmane do.  Why does doing Gmane mean
>>  doing others?  What do you fear from others that would follow from
>>  doing Gmane.
> 
> 	Well, the fact that these mailing lists were gatewayed to Gmane 
> without the nominator getting our approval, and without Gmane 
> confirming that this was an approved action, is pretty clear evidence 
> to me that they don't bother to follow their own rules regarding the 
> intellectual property of others.
> 
> 	The fact that they personally promised me that this problem had 
> been fixed after the last time I dealt with them, and yet we find 
> that this has happened yet once again, is simply more fuel for the 
> fire.

As one of the other admins for the mailman-users list, I just want to 
strongly echo Brad's position above.

When we first asked Gmane to not gateway this list, one of the issues 
was that while our own archives munge the email address of list posters, 
the Gmane feed didn't do any munging.  Instead Gmane leaked otherwise 
"virgin" email addresses out where they could (and were) scraped by 
spiders and subsequently sent spam.  (Which is how I discovered that 
Gmane was gatewaying the list, when a freshly created email address 
started receiving spam very shortly after I started using it to post to 
mailman-users.)  Taken together (gatewaying the list without permission, 
and exposing the email addresses to spammers) we were not very happy 
with Gmane's actions.

So it's not that we are capriciously being "mean" to Gmane (and Gmane 
users) here.  Gmane has earned our distrust.

jc