From msapiro at value.net  Mon Aug  1 00:15:04 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:15:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem running sync_members under cpanel
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bf12e47acfc0@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <PC1740200507311515040312757895fc@msapiro>

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 8:22 PM +0200 2005-07-31, Hilton wrote:
>
>>   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in
>>  __write
>>     fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
>>
>>  IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
>>  '/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/locks/test_landrover.org.za.lock.s53.tm.
>>  crucialx.net.13496.0'
>>  -----------
>>
>>  Any pointers please? As I said before, I don't have root access.
>
>	That's a file permissions problem.  You need to talk to your 
>CPanel hosting provider.

To elaborate, the user under which the cron is running does not have
permission to create/write the lock file to lock the list. The cron
probably needs to run as root or as a user in the 'mailman' group
(usually 'mailman').

Also see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Aug  1 01:22:54 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:22:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] arch + EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER + lock files
In-Reply-To: <42EA2590.9070605@st.com>
Message-ID: <PC1740200507311622540265757895ff@msapiro>

Jean-Philippe GIOLA wrote:
>
>In my mm_cfg.py, Y have this line :
> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat > /tmp/mail_tmp ; 
>/home/mailman/bin/arch %(listname)s /tmp/mail_tmp'
>
>So, when a mail is sent to a list, it is store in a temporary file and 
>then this command is execute :
>/home/mailman/bin/arch %(listname)s /tmp/mail_tmp
>
>The problem I have is that the execution of this last command create 
>lock's files in the locks directory :
>listname.lock ...
>and so arch can't re-create the archives from /tmp/mail_tmp.
>then, when I remove the lock files, the execution of the arch script go on.
>
>Does someone has a idea to resolve my problem ?

ArchRunner locks the list prior to calling the ArchiveMail() method.
Thus the list is locked when the external archiver is invoked. Thus,
if the external archiver needs to lock the list, it needs to run in
the background so the external archiver command can return and the
list can be unlocked.

Try something like

'cat >/tmp/mail_tmp;/home/mailman/bin/arch %(listname)s /tmp/mail_tmp &'

for the external archiver. Note however that this could result in a
race condition if two posts arrive close enough together, the second
instance of 'cat' could be overwriting /tmp/mail_tmp before the first
instance of 'arch' is done reading it. It is better to create a unique
name.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From mike at m5computersecurity.com  Mon Aug  1 01:38:30 2005
From: mike at m5computersecurity.com (Michael J McCafferty)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:38:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mbox / No Archives
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20050731154513.039f7ff0@mail.webcoach.com>

All,
	I am using Mailman 2.1.5 with Postfix on CentOS 3.5 (RHEL 3). My problem 
is that I have no archives. They are not being created.

	Each list is set to archive, and to make the archives public. I do have 
Apache set to follow symlinks.  I also do not have any mbox directories or 
files being kept. I don't know why. I figure that I have no archives 
because I have no mboxes.  I have checked the permissions (check_perms).

	Any thoughts on how to remedy or what to check next ?

Thanks,
Mike



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Aug  1 02:11:06 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:11:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mbox / No Archives
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20050731154513.039f7ff0@mail.webcoach.com>
Message-ID: <PC1740200507311711060109f1826e93@msapiro>

Michael J McCafferty wrote:

>	I am using Mailman 2.1.5 with Postfix on CentOS 3.5 (RHEL 3). My problem 
>is that I have no archives. They are not being created.
>
>	Each list is set to archive, and to make the archives public. I do have 
>Apache set to follow symlinks.  I also do not have any mbox directories or 
>files being kept. I don't know why. I figure that I have no archives 
>because I have no mboxes.  I have checked the permissions (check_perms).
>
>	Any thoughts on how to remedy or what to check next ?

Are you using SELinux? There might be a security policy issue.

Normally, the list creation process creates the
archives/private/listname/listname.mbox/ directory and the first
archived message creates the
archives/private/listname/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file. It seems
that you have neither the directory or file for your lists. If you
create the directories by hand (in the 'mailman' group and group
writable and searchable and normally setgid although I don't think
that setgid is really necessary), that may allow messages to be
archived, but it doesn't answer the question of why the directories
weren't created in the first place.

There may be relevant messages in Mailman's 'error' log. Also, the
unarchived posts may be in the shunt queue such that creating the
directories and running bin/unshunt will archive those posts.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From mike at m5computersecurity.com  Mon Aug  1 02:48:53 2005
From: mike at m5computersecurity.com (Michael J McCafferty)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:48:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mbox / No Archives
In-Reply-To: <PC1740200507311711060109f1826e93@msapiro>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20050731154513.039f7ff0@mail.webcoach.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20050731174835.03b78080@mail.m5hosting.com>

Mark,
         Thanks for the rapid reply.
         I am not using SELinux (doesn't come in RHEL3 or CentOS 3.x)
         The lists were recovered from only partial backups (the customer 
only provided the /var/mailman/lists directory, and nothing else.) So, if 
the place for the mbox files were created only during list creation, that 
could account for it. The error log does indicate that the mbox file or 
directory is missing. I should have looked there (slaps forehead).
         I have created the directories and run check_perms -f  to make 
sure it's all ok. now all I gotta do is wait for some posts to the lists 
(they are not my lists) to see if it works.

Thanks !!!
Mike

At 05:11 PM 7/31/2005 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>Michael J McCafferty wrote:
>
> >       I am using Mailman 2.1.5 with Postfix on CentOS 3.5 (RHEL 3). My 
> problem
> >is that I have no archives. They are not being created.
> >
> >       Each list is set to archive, and to make the archives public. I 
> do have
> >Apache set to follow symlinks.  I also do not have any mbox directories or
> >files being kept. I don't know why. I figure that I have no archives
> >because I have no mboxes.  I have checked the permissions (check_perms).
> >
> >       Any thoughts on how to remedy or what to check next ?
>
>Are you using SELinux? There might be a security policy issue.
>
>Normally, the list creation process creates the
>archives/private/listname/listname.mbox/ directory and the first
>archived message creates the
>archives/private/listname/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file. It seems
>that you have neither the directory or file for your lists. If you
>create the directories by hand (in the 'mailman' group and group
>writable and searchable and normally setgid although I don't think
>that setgid is really necessary), that may allow messages to be
>archived, but it doesn't answer the question of why the directories
>weren't created in the first place.
>
>There may be relevant messages in Mailman's 'error' log. Also, the
>unarchived posts may be in the shunt queue such that creating the
>directories and running bin/unshunt will archive those posts.
>
>--
>Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
>San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Aug  1 03:11:15 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:11:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mbox / No Archives
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20050731174835.03b78080@mail.m5hosting.com>
Message-ID: <PC174020050731181115031275789607@msapiro>

Michael J McCafferty wrote:

>         I have created the directories and run check_perms -f  to make 
>sure it's all ok. now all I gotta do is wait for some posts to the lists 
>(they are not my lists) to see if it works.
>
>At 05:11 PM 7/31/2005 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
<snip>
>>Normally, the list creation process creates the
>>archives/private/listname/listname.mbox/ directory and the first
>>archived message creates the
>>archives/private/listname/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file.

Perhaps you noticed the error in the above and weren't misled by it,
but I gave the wrong path for the .mbox files.

The archive directory structure is in archives/private/listname, but
the cumulative mbox file is in
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox, NOT in
archives/private/listname/listname.mbox/listname.mbox.

Sorry for any confusion.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From owner at writestop.com  Mon Aug  1 04:07:10 2005
From: owner at writestop.com (Diana Kirk)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:07:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer processing one mailing list
Message-ID: <200507311905.03544.owner@thewritersplace.com>

Hi all,

I just spent some time going through the searchable archives at 
mail-archive.com, but didn't see my question (or its answer). I sent 
a support ticket to my web host (via cpanel) and they are looking 
into it, but basically they've asked me if there isn't anything else 
I can tell them.

I have two mailing lists with this web host for the same domain name 
(lista at mydomain.com and listb at mydomain.com). Both are active and were 
working as programmed to work. Some time between Friday afternoon and 
Saturday morning, listb at mydomain.com, no longer processed any mail. 
Lista at mydomain.com continues to work as expected.

I'm the list administrator and only moderator currently, as well as a 
subscriber to the list. I have my subscription set up to send an 
acknowledgment from Mailman that my posts have been received. I'm not 
getting any acknowledgments. The posts are not being archived, nor 
were they distributed to the mailing list, or sent to the list admin 
or moderator's mailboxes for approval. As the list admin, I should 
receive any unhandled bounces, and the posts didn't do that either. 
I've pinged the mail address -- that's fine. And, in fact, the other 
mailing list continues to receive, send out acknowledgments, archive, 
and distribute the mail without problems.

Does this ring a bell with anybody? Any clues as to what the web 
hosting people should be looking for in the logs? Which logs should 
they look in? Any guidance you can offer is appreciated.

Thanks,
Diana



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Aug  1 05:26:43 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:26:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer processing one mailing list
In-Reply-To: <200507311905.03544.owner@thewritersplace.com>
Message-ID: <PC1740200507312026430703145fb1ca@msapiro>

Diana Kirk wrote:
>
>I just spent some time going through the searchable archives at 
>mail-archive.com, but didn't see my question (or its answer). I sent 
>a support ticket to my web host (via cpanel) and they are looking 
>into it, but basically they've asked me if there isn't anything else 
>I can tell them.
>
>I have two mailing lists with this web host for the same domain name 
>(lista at mydomain.com and listb at mydomain.com). Both are active and were 
>working as programmed to work. Some time between Friday afternoon and 
>Saturday morning, listb at mydomain.com, no longer processed any mail. 
>Lista at mydomain.com continues to work as expected.
>
>I'm the list administrator and only moderator currently, as well as a 
>subscriber to the list. I have my subscription set up to send an 
>acknowledgment from Mailman that my posts have been received. I'm not 
>getting any acknowledgments. The posts are not being archived, nor 
>were they distributed to the mailing list, or sent to the list admin 
>or moderator's mailboxes for approval. As the list admin, I should 
>receive any unhandled bounces, and the posts didn't do that either. 
>I've pinged the mail address -- that's fine. And, in fact, the other 
>mailing list continues to receive, send out acknowledgments, archive, 
>and distribute the mail without problems.
>
>Does this ring a bell with anybody? Any clues as to what the web 
>hosting people should be looking for in the logs? Which logs should 
>they look in? Any guidance you can offer is appreciated.

See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp
concentrating on those things that could affect only a single list
plus the logs, i.e., items 2), 6), 7) and 8)

See also
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp

You might find something useful in the recent posts at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-July/045929.html
and
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-July/045969.html

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From owner at writestop.com  Mon Aug  1 08:46:47 2005
From: owner at writestop.com (Diana Kirk)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:46:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer processing one mailing list
In-Reply-To: <PC1740200507312026430703145fb1ca@msapiro>
References: <PC1740200507312026430703145fb1ca@msapiro>
Message-ID: <200507312346.47706.owner@writestop.com>

On Sunday 31 July 2005 08:26 pm, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> See
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.ht
>p concentrating on those things that could affect only a single list
> plus the logs, i.e., items 2), 6), 7) and 8)
>
> See also
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.ht
>p
>
> You might find something useful in the recent posts at
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-July/045929.htm
>l and
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-July/045969.htm
>l

Thanks for your response. I've forwarded it to the web host's 
technical support, as well as I'm going through your suggestions 
myself.

Much obliged,
Diana



From bigtuner at comcast.net  Mon Aug  1 17:55:53 2005
From: bigtuner at comcast.net (Dan Collins)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:55:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts and https
Message-ID: <000c01c596b1$7f66d2b0$6401a8c0@Athlon>

Hello All -

With Mark Sapiro's help, I got Mailman running on my apache virtual server, at least for the most important virtual host, xxx.org.  I'd like to get Mailman to deliver from either of my two virtual hosts both over https. I have mailman and pipermail dirs set up in httpd.conf under each of the virtual hosts. I'm using Sendmail.

So, before unsubscribing from this list, I have a couple of questions. -

1) In the mm_cfg.py file, I have

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'xxxx.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'xxxx.org'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) (NOTE: doesn't need quotes, right? It worked fine without quotes)
add_virtualhost('second-virtual-host.com', 'second-virtual-host.com') (NOTE: needs quotes or I get an error message when running mailmanctl restart)

Right now, the list I want to run from second-virtual-host and its admin pages come up under https://xxxx.org . When I try to use the web interface from second-virtual-host/mailman/admin/list-name, I get 404 error still under https://xxxx.org .  

I changed the list setting to second-virtual-host.com, so now Overview at the bottom of the page includes second-virtual-host.com, but all links at the bottom of the page (including Overview) shows the url as https://xxxx.org . In other words, I can not reach the list from second-virtual-host.com, either http or https.

I hope that this message is clear enough to spell out my problem and hopefully initiate a useful response.

Thanks as always.

Dan

From vpv at figaros.com  Mon Aug  1 18:31:44 2005
From: vpv at figaros.com (Vince Van De Coevering)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:31:44 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts and https
Message-ID: <730541D5A4E4BE46ABC2F4BA01311D5405BA94@fip01.figaros.com>

Sorry for the top post but I really don't have any in-line comments...

Dan,

Is it safe to assume that you are using apache as your web server?

Have you set up each of your virtual domains with its own IP address or are
you attempting to share the same IP address between multiple servers?  SSL
doesn't support name based virtual hosting so you will need a unique IP
address for each domain.


Vince Van De Coevering
IT Manager
Figaro's Italian Pizza, Inc.
503-371-9318 x216
vpv at figaros.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Collins [mailto:bigtuner at comcast.net] 
> Sent: August 01, 2005 8:56 AM
> To: Mailman-Users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts and https
> 
> 
> Hello All -
> 
> With Mark Sapiro's help, I got Mailman running on my apache 
> virtual server, at least for the most important virtual host, 
> xxx.org.  I'd like to get Mailman to deliver from either of 
> my two virtual hosts both over https. I have mailman and 
> pipermail dirs set up in httpd.conf under each of the virtual 
> hosts. I'm using Sendmail.
> 
> So, before unsubscribing from this list, I have a couple of 
> questions. -
> 
> 1) In the mm_cfg.py file, I have
> 
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'xxxx.org'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'xxxx.org'
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) (NOTE: 
> doesn't need quotes, right? It worked fine without quotes)
> add_virtualhost('second-virtual-host.com', 
> 'second-virtual-host.com') (NOTE: needs quotes or I get an 
> error message when running mailmanctl restart)
> 
> Right now, the list I want to run from second-virtual-host 
> and its admin pages come up under https://xxxx.org . When I 
> try to use the web interface from 
> second-virtual-host/mailman/admin/list-name, I get 404 error 
> still under https://xxxx.org .  
> 
> I changed the list setting to second-virtual-host.com, so now 
> Overview at the bottom of the page includes 
> second-virtual-host.com, but all links at the bottom of the 
> page (including Overview) shows the url as https://xxxx.org . 
> In other words, I can not reach the list from 
> second-virtual-host.com, either http or https.
> 
> I hope that this message is clear enough to spell out my 
> problem and hopefully initiate a useful response.
> 
> Thanks as always.
> 
> Dan
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> Unsubscribe: 
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> 
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01.027.htp


From msapiro at value.net  Mon Aug  1 18:44:04 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:44:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts and https
In-Reply-To: <000c01c596b1$7f66d2b0$6401a8c0@Athlon>
Message-ID: <PC17402005080109440405783b6cb066@msapiro>

Dan Collins wrote:
>
>1) In the mm_cfg.py file, I have
>
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'xxxx.org'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'xxxx.org'
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
>VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) (NOTE: doesn't need quotes, right? It worked fine without quotes)

No quotes because DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST are variable
names with previously defined values.

>add_virtualhost('second-virtual-host.com', 'second-virtual-host.com') (NOTE: needs quotes or I get an error message when running mailmanctl restart)

Quotes required because 'second-virtual-host.com' and
'second-virtual-host.com' are string values. Without the quotes they
are interpreted as variable names and result in an error because they
have not been assigned values.

>Right now, the list I want to run from second-virtual-host and its admin pages come up under https://xxxx.org . When I try to use the web interface from second-virtual-host/mailman/admin/list-name, I get 404 error still under https://xxxx.org .  
>
>I changed the list setting to second-virtual-host.com, so now Overview at the bottom of the page includes second-virtual-host.com, but all links at the bottom of the page (including Overview) shows the url as https://xxxx.org . In other words, I can not reach the list from second-virtual-host.com, either http or https.
>
>I hope that this message is clear enough to spell out my problem and hopefully initiate a useful response.


After making changes to the above things in mm_cfg.py
(DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN in particular, but the others too) and restarting
mailman, you must run fix_url under withlist to correct previously
stored list attributes. Run

bin/fix_url.py

for instructions. In your case, you probably want ultimately to run

bin/withlist -l -r fix_url list-name --urlhost=second-virtual-host.com

This will fix the links on the listinfo and other pages except perhaps
links in the archive. To fix existing links in the archives, you have
to rebuild them with bin/arch. Probably just

bin/arch --wipe list-name

if the archives/private/list-name.mbox/list-name.mbox file is complete.

I'm not sure about the 404 error. Does the url
https://second-virtual-host/mailman/admin/list-name work if you enter
it directly? If not, this needs to be addressed in the web server
configuration.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From bigtuner at comcast.net  Mon Aug  1 19:53:09 2005
From: bigtuner at comcast.net (Dan Collins)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:53:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts and https follow-up
References: <730541D5A4E4BE46ABC2F4BA01311D5405BA94@fip01.figaros.com>
Message-ID: <003401c596c1$e1089de0$6401a8c0@Athlon>

Hello Vince, Mark and all --

Well, I ran the withlists program (duh! can't believe I forgot to do this) 
on the one list I want to run from the second-virtual -host only. But now 
(maybe before, too), I can go into any list under https xxx.org, https 
www.xxx.org, https www.second-virtual-host, but not just plain https 
second-virtual-host. (It recognizes the server Alias but not the server 
name). The confusion only appears to be happening with mailman.Yes, I 
restarted Apache. Obviously, this is not what I want and I should have just 
left well enough alone. Dang.

Vince, I have four virtual hosts on my machine (running Apache) - In 
httpd.conf,  I have the ip address with port 80 or 443 for each of the two 
hosts. I have mailman and pipermail set up for each host under the 443 port 
like so

<VirtualHost xxx.xx.xxx.xx:443>

Alias   /pipermail     "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public"

 <Directory "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public">
 AddDefaultCharset Off
 Options FollowSymLinks
 AllowOverride None
 Order allow,deny
 Allow from all
</Directory>

ScriptAlias /mailman    "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin"

<Directory "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin">
        Options ExecCGI FollowSymlinks MultiViews
   AllowOverride None
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
    </Directory>

All enclosed in the <VirtualHost xxx.xx.xxx.xx:443> container for each host

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vince Van De Coevering" <vpv at figaros.com>
To: "'Dan Collins'" <bigtuner at comcast.net>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts and https


> Sorry for the top post but I really don't have any in-line comments...
>
> Dan,
>
> Is it safe to assume that you are using apache as your web server?
>
> Have you set up each of your virtual domains with its own IP address or 
> are
> you attempting to share the same IP address between multiple servers?  SSL
> doesn't support name based virtual hosting so you will need a unique IP
> address for each domain.
>
>
> Vince Van De Coevering
> IT Manager
> Figaro's Italian Pizza, Inc.
> 503-371-9318 x216
> vpv at figaros.com
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dan Collins [mailto:bigtuner at comcast.net]
>> Sent: August 01, 2005 8:56 AM
>> To: Mailman-Users at python.org
>> Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts and https
>>
>>
>> Hello All -
>>
>> With Mark Sapiro's help, I got Mailman running on my apache
>> virtual server, at least for the most important virtual host,
>> xxx.org.  I'd like to get Mailman to deliver from either of
>> my two virtual hosts both over https. I have mailman and
>> pipermail dirs set up in httpd.conf under each of the virtual
>> hosts. I'm using Sendmail.
>>
>> So, before unsubscribing from this list, I have a couple of
>> questions. -
>>
>> 1) In the mm_cfg.py file, I have
>>
>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'xxxx.org'
>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'xxxx.org'
>> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
>> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) (NOTE:
>> doesn't need quotes, right? It worked fine without quotes)
>> add_virtualhost('second-virtual-host.com',
>> 'second-virtual-host.com') (NOTE: needs quotes or I get an
>> error message when running mailmanctl restart)
>>
>> Right now, the list I want to run from second-virtual-host
>> and its admin pages come up under https://xxxx.org . When I
>> try to use the web interface from
>> second-virtual-host/mailman/admin/list-name, I get 404 error
>> still under https://xxxx.org .
>>
>> I changed the list setting to second-virtual-host.com, so now
>> Overview at the bottom of the page includes
>> second-virtual-host.com, but all links at the bottom of the
>> page (including Overview) shows the url as https://xxxx.org .
>> In other words, I can not reach the list from
>> second-virtual-host.com, either http or https.
>>
>> I hope that this message is clear enough to spell out my
>> problem and hopefully initiate a useful response.
>>
>> Thanks as always.
>>
>> Dan
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> Searchable Archives:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>> Unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/vpv%40figaros.com
>>
>> Security Policy:
>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&amp;file=faq
> 01.027.htp 



From bigtuner at comcast.net  Mon Aug  1 20:13:27 2005
From: bigtuner at comcast.net (Dan Collins)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:13:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts and https yet another follow-up
References: <730541D5A4E4BE46ABC2F4BA01311D5405BA94@fip01.figaros.com>
	<003401c596c1$e1089de0$6401a8c0@Athlon>
Message-ID: <000f01c596c4$b7098ce0$6401a8c0@Athlon>

Hi again Y'all -

I think I now understand what you said before, Vince.  I need a unique ip 
for each 443 port I set up, not one ip, qualified by Server Name, Server 
Alias and port, right? So, I'll need to remove the Mailman config from the 
second-virtual-server so that Mailman on SSL processes the .org server name 
only.

That's easy enough. My lingering question is "why does https work with mysql 
admin for instance on the second server?" (No cross-over server or alias 
confusion.) Is that because its a separate server?

Anyway, thanks for the quick response and great information.  I'll return to 
lurking now.

Dan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Collins" <bigtuner at comcast.net>
To: "Vince Van De Coevering" <vpv at figaros.com>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts and https follow-up


> Hello Vince, Mark and all --
>
> Well, I ran the withlists program (duh! can't believe I forgot to do this)
> on the one list I want to run from the second-virtual -host only. But now
> (maybe before, too), I can go into any list under https xxx.org, https
> www.xxx.org, https www.second-virtual-host, but not just plain https
> second-virtual-host. (It recognizes the server Alias but not the server
> name). The confusion only appears to be happening with mailman.Yes, I
> restarted Apache. Obviously, this is not what I want and I should have 
> just
> left well enough alone. Dang.
>
> Vince, I have four virtual hosts on my machine (running Apache) - In
> httpd.conf,  I have the ip address with port 80 or 443 for each of the two
> hosts. I have mailman and pipermail set up for each host under the 443 
> port
> like so
>
> <VirtualHost xxx.xx.xxx.xx:443>
>
> Alias   /pipermail     "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public"
>
> <Directory "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public">
> AddDefaultCharset Off
> Options FollowSymLinks
> AllowOverride None
> Order allow,deny
> Allow from all
> </Directory>
>
> ScriptAlias /mailman    "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin"
>
> <Directory "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin">
>        Options ExecCGI FollowSymlinks MultiViews
>   AllowOverride None
>        Order allow,deny
>        Allow from all
>    </Directory>
>
> All enclosed in the <VirtualHost xxx.xx.xxx.xx:443> container for each 
> host
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Vince Van De Coevering" <vpv at figaros.com>
> To: "'Dan Collins'" <bigtuner at comcast.net>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts and https
>
>
>> Sorry for the top post but I really don't have any in-line comments...
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Is it safe to assume that you are using apache as your web server?
>>
>> Have you set up each of your virtual domains with its own IP address or
>> are
>> you attempting to share the same IP address between multiple servers? 
>> SSL
>> doesn't support name based virtual hosting so you will need a unique IP
>> address for each domain.
>>
>>
>> Vince Van De Coevering
>> IT Manager
>> Figaro's Italian Pizza, Inc.
>> 503-371-9318 x216
>> vpv at figaros.com
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dan Collins [mailto:bigtuner at comcast.net]
>>> Sent: August 01, 2005 8:56 AM
>>> To: Mailman-Users at python.org
>>> Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts and https
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello All -
>>>
>>> With Mark Sapiro's help, I got Mailman running on my apache
>>> virtual server, at least for the most important virtual host,
>>> xxx.org.  I'd like to get Mailman to deliver from either of
>>> my two virtual hosts both over https. I have mailman and
>>> pipermail dirs set up in httpd.conf under each of the virtual
>>> hosts. I'm using Sendmail.
>>>
>>> So, before unsubscribing from this list, I have a couple of
>>> questions. -
>>>
>>> 1) In the mm_cfg.py file, I have
>>>
>>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'xxxx.org'
>>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'xxxx.org'
>>> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
>>> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>>> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) (NOTE:
>>> doesn't need quotes, right? It worked fine without quotes)
>>> add_virtualhost('second-virtual-host.com',
>>> 'second-virtual-host.com') (NOTE: needs quotes or I get an
>>> error message when running mailmanctl restart)
>>>
>>> Right now, the list I want to run from second-virtual-host
>>> and its admin pages come up under https://xxxx.org . When I
>>> try to use the web interface from
>>> second-virtual-host/mailman/admin/list-name, I get 404 error
>>> still under https://xxxx.org .
>>>
>>> I changed the list setting to second-virtual-host.com, so now
>>> Overview at the bottom of the page includes
>>> second-virtual-host.com, but all links at the bottom of the
>>> page (including Overview) shows the url as https://xxxx.org .
>>> In other words, I can not reach the list from
>>> second-virtual-host.com, either http or https.
>>>
>>> I hope that this message is clear enough to spell out my
>>> problem and hopefully initiate a useful response.
>>>
>>> Thanks as always.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>> Searchable Archives:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>> Unsubscribe:
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/vpv%40figaros.com
>>>
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>>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&amp;file=faq
>> 01.027.htp
>
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From ipople at unimelb.edu.au  Tue Aug  2 09:38:38 2005
From: ipople at unimelb.edu.au (Iain Pople)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:38:38 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] header_filter_rules possible bug
Message-ID: <54F3B081-F921-490C-B20D-86F95EA5A4D3@unimelb.edu.au>

Hi,

I have noticed some unexpected behaviour with header_filter_rules.

I wanted to reject messages with an empty subject line so i came up  
with the following regex:

^subject:\s*$

However it wasn't working as desired. After delving around in the  
SpamDetect.py code i noticed that the re.search call is not using  
MULTILINE mode. So the headers are treated as one long string and ^  
would only match the beginning of the string.

Is this the desired behaviour? To me it makes more sense that it  
should use multiline mode.

i.e.:

--- SpamDetect.py.bak   2005-08-02 15:56:42.083270000 +1000
+++ SpamDetect.py       2005-08-02 17:33:59.698226000 +1000
@@ -127,7 +127,7 @@
          for pattern in patterns.splitlines():
              if pattern.startswith('#'):
                  continue
-            if re.search(pattern, headers, re.IGNORECASE):
+            if re.search(pattern, headers, re.IGNORECASE|re.MULTILINE):
                  if action == mm_cfg.DISCARD:
                      raise Errors.DiscardMessage
                  if action == mm_cfg.REJECT:
@@ -137,3 +137,4 @@
                      hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata,  
HeaderMatchHold)
                  if action == mm_cfg.ACCEPT:
                      return

--
Iain Pople
Systems Programmer
University of Melbourne



From m.moghimi at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 09:48:19 2005
From: m.moghimi at gmail.com (Mohammad Moghimi)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 04:48:19 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation
Message-ID: <d91bb71205080200483636ef26@mail.gmail.com>

I want to install mailman.
when I try to configure it I got this error message:
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.4
checking that Python has a working distutils... configure: error:

***** Distutils is not available or is incomplete for /usr/bin/python
***** If you installed Python from RPM (or other package manager)
***** be sure to install the -devel package, or install Python
***** from source. See README.LINUX for details

I downloaded Distutil from python.org <http://python.org/>
http://www.python.org/sigs/distutils-sig/download/Distutils-1.0.2.tar.gz

I wanted to install this one but I got another error message in running
python setup.py install

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "setup.py", line 30, in ?
packages = ['distutils', 'distutils.command'],
File "/home/soccer/mohammad/python /Distutils-1.0.2/distutils/core.py", line 
101, in setup
_setup_distribution = dist = klass(attrs)
File "/home/soccer/mohammad/python/Distutils-1.0.2/distutils/dist.py", line 
130, in __init__
setattr(self, method_name, getattr(self.metadata, method_name))
AttributeError: DistributionMetadata instance has no attribute 'get___doc__'

How can I solve this problem?!
-- Mohammad

do you Python?!!


From Javier.Castillo at alhambra-eidos.com  Tue Aug  2 14:04:31 2005
From: Javier.Castillo at alhambra-eidos.com (Javier Castillo Alcibar)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:04:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modify To header
Message-ID: <635868854FEE3845B2D264D9D0E4017D1CB53C@ALHM3SRV.alhpridom.as>

Hello all,

I have a cosmetic question:

I would like to modify the "To:" header, in order to use the sender
address (From:) as the "To:" header. Can I do this in SMTPDirect.py??

In this way, I would have emails like this:

	From: user at mydomain.com
	To: user at mydomian.com



Thx in advance,
Javier.



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Tue Aug  2 14:54:13 2005
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:54:13 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] header_filter_rules possible bug
In-Reply-To: <54F3B081-F921-490C-B20D-86F95EA5A4D3@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <54F3B081-F921-490C-B20D-86F95EA5A4D3@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <42EF6CF5.6000107@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

I think you are right!  I have to make warning when checking in because 
this may cause incompatible behavior for already installed other 
patterns. :-(

Iain Pople wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have noticed some unexpected behaviour with header_filter_rules.
> 
> I wanted to reject messages with an empty subject line so i came up  
> with the following regex:
> 
> ^subject:\s*$
> 
> However it wasn't working as desired. After delving around in the  
> SpamDetect.py code i noticed that the re.search call is not using  
> MULTILINE mode. So the headers are treated as one long string and ^  
> would only match the beginning of the string.
> 
> Is this the desired behaviour? To me it makes more sense that it  
> should use multiline mode.
> 
> i.e.:
> 
> --- SpamDetect.py.bak   2005-08-02 15:56:42.083270000 +1000
> +++ SpamDetect.py       2005-08-02 17:33:59.698226000 +1000
> @@ -127,7 +127,7 @@
>           for pattern in patterns.splitlines():
>               if pattern.startswith('#'):
>                   continue
> -            if re.search(pattern, headers, re.IGNORECASE):
> +            if re.search(pattern, headers, re.IGNORECASE|re.MULTILINE):
>                   if action == mm_cfg.DISCARD:
>                       raise Errors.DiscardMessage
>                   if action == mm_cfg.REJECT:
> @@ -137,3 +137,4 @@
>                       hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata,  
> HeaderMatchHold)
>                   if action == mm_cfg.ACCEPT:
>                       return
> 
> --
> Iain Pople
> Systems Programmer
> University of Melbourne
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tkikuchi%40is.kochi-u.ac.jp
> 
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> 
> 
> 

-- 
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http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/



From tiagocruz at forumgdh.net  Tue Aug  2 16:48:46 2005
From: tiagocruz at forumgdh.net (Tiago Cruz)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:48:46 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WebServer and MailServer in different machines :/
Message-ID: <42EF87CE.7090606@forumgdh.net>

Hello guys!

I'v make a test installation of my MailMan with Postfix and Virtual 
Domain, but all in a unic (one) machine running apache and postfix.

Now, I'll configure in my production ambient, but I have 02 servers, one 
with a Webserver and other with a Mailserver.

And now? How I can configure this? :)

Thanks a lot!
Brazilian Regards


From bignose at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 22:38:14 2005
From: bignose at gmail.com (Jeff MacDonald)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:38:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] having trouble with installation
Message-ID: <f17daf04050802133833c6b12f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I got mailman set up now such that I do not see any errors in my
apache error logs when i create a new list. Postmap and Postalias are
run just fine.

However, the file virtual-mailman is completly empty when i add new
lists. the aliases file get's updated with all of the new entries tho.

Consequently when ever I attempt to send mail to mylist at mydomain.ca it
gets bounced cause postfix doesn't know anything about it.

My postfix main.cf points to mailman thusly..

local_recipient_maps = unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps
$virtual_alias_maps hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

However there is no mention of the file virtual-mailman in mm_cfg.py
or defaults.py , only so much as to say this is what POSTFIX_MAP_CMD
expects to see.. [defaults.py]

I'm [---] this close to having it working i know it.

Thanks.


-- 
Jeff MacDonald
http://www.halifaxbudolife.ca
http://www.nintai.ca


From Dave.Shepherd at Emulex.Com  Tue Aug  2 23:38:42 2005
From: Dave.Shepherd at Emulex.Com (Dave.Shepherd at Emulex.Com)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:38:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh mailer prog died with signal 9
Message-ID: <81A95FFFB8332F468D948BBD7AD9B9605EE973@xbt.ad.emulex.com>

Has anyone seen this problem before? I'm trying to port an existing
working mailman/Sendmail to a newer systems and I'm having a problem
with the smrsh program in delivering mail to mailman on the newer
system.  

 

Here is the error in the /var/log/syslog

 

Aug  2 14:20:51 royal sendmail[15913]: [ID 801593 mail.crit]
j72L6FYD015584: SYSERR(root): mailer prog died with signal 9 

 

Aug  2 14:20:51 royal sendmail[15913]: [ID 801593 mail.info]
j72L6FYD015584: to="|/suitespot/mailman/mail/mailman post test2",
ctladdr=<test2 at royal2.emulex.com> (1/0), delay=00:14:36,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=393967, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: prog
mailer (/usr/lib/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPFAIL 

 

Aug  2 14:25:51 royal sendmail[15941]: [ID 801593 mail.crit]
j72L6FYD015584: SYSERR(root): mailer prog died with signal 9 

 

Aug  2 14:25:51 royal sendmail[15941]: [ID 801593 mail.info]
j72L6FYD015584: to="|/suitespot/mailman/mail/mailman post test2",
ctladdr=<test2 at royal2.emulex.com> (1/0), delay=00:19:36,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=483967, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: prog
mailer (/usr/lib/smrsh) exited with EX_TEMPFAIL

 

 

The config files are as follows:

With a link under /usr/adm/sm.bin/mailman ==>
/suitespot/mailman/mail/mailman 

 

/etc/mail/aliases

#

test2:              "|/suitespot/mailman/mail/mailman post test2"

test2-admin:        "|/suitespot/mailman/mail/mailman admin test2"

test2-bounces:      "|/suitespot/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test2"

test2-confirm:      "|/suitespot/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test2"

test2-join:         "|/suitespot/mailman/mail/mailman join test2"

test2-leave:        "|/suitespot/mailman/mail/mailman leave test2"

test2-owner:        "|/suitespot/mailman/mail/mailman owner test2"

test2-request:      "|/suitespot/mailman/mail/mailman request test2"

test2-subscribe:    "|/suitespot/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test2"

test2-unsubscribe:  "|/suitespot/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test2"

 

/etc/mail/virtuserstable

mailman at royal2.emulex.com           Dave.Shepherd at Emulex.com

mailman-owner at royal2.emulex.com     Dave.Shepherd at Emulex.com

@138.239.112.18                   %1 at royal2.emulex.com

##

## These addresses are required or recommended either by convention ##
or by RFC 2142, "Mailbox Names for Common Services, Roles and ##
Functions". Honor them.

##

MAILER-DAEMON at royal2.emulex.com        Dave.Shepherd at Emulex.com

postmaster at royal2.emulex.com  Dave.Shepherd at Emulex.com 

postmaster at royal2.emulex.com  Dave.Shepherd at Emulex.com

webmaster at royal2.emulex.com        Dave.Shepherd at Emulex.com

abuse at royal2.emulex.com        Dave.Shepherd at Emulex.com

##

## I can put user accounts in here, too.

##

root at royal2.emulex.com            dave.shepherd at emulex.com

 

Thanks in advance for your help!

 

  _____  

Dave Shepherd

Emulex Corporation

 



From jwt at onjapan.net  Wed Aug  3 07:44:27 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:44:27 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation
In-Reply-To: <d91bb71205080200483636ef26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d91bb71205080200483636ef26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E9CEDEB-AC61-4F3F-AD1B-1A1A4592B85A@onjapan.net>

On Aug 2, 2005, at 16:48, Mohammad Moghimi wrote:

> checking Python version... 2.4
> checking that Python has a working distutils... configure: error:
>
> ***** Distutils is not available or is incomplete for /usr/bin/python
> ***** If you installed Python from RPM (or other package manager)
> ***** be sure to install the -devel package, or install Python
> ***** from source. See README.LINUX for details
>
> I downloaded Distutil from python.org <http://python.org/>
> http://www.python.org/sigs/distutils-sig/download/ 
> Distutils-1.0.2.tar.gz

That is a rather old version of distutils.  A working version should  
have been included in your Python 2.4 installation.  (As the error  
message says, it is often installed in a separate package if you  
installed Python in package form.)  Check again that your Python 2.4  
installation is complete (and that you have included the -devel  
package if appropriate for your system).


-- 
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Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman





From bignose at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 17:31:28 2005
From: bignose at gmail.com (Jeff MacDonald)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:31:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] having trouble with installation
In-Reply-To: <f17daf04050802133833c6b12f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f17daf04050802133833c6b12f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f17daf040508030831147156ca@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I've tinkered more and more but to no avail.

Postfix basically refuses to admit that mailman exists.. it just keep
saying "cannot find mail box" when i send to my test lists.

Aswell, tho I'm not sure if this is related, when I create a new list
and it tells me it's notifying me, i never see the response.

Jeff.

On 8/2/05, Jeff MacDonald <bignose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I got mailman set up now such that I do not see any errors in my
> apache error logs when i create a new list. Postmap and Postalias are
> run just fine.
> 
> However, the file virtual-mailman is completly empty when i add new
> lists. the aliases file get's updated with all of the new entries tho.
> 
> Consequently when ever I attempt to send mail to mylist at mydomain.ca it
> gets bounced cause postfix doesn't know anything about it.
> 
> My postfix main.cf points to mailman thusly..
> 
> local_recipient_maps = unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps
> $virtual_alias_maps hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
> 
> However there is no mention of the file virtual-mailman in mm_cfg.py
> or defaults.py , only so much as to say this is what POSTFIX_MAP_CMD
> expects to see.. [defaults.py]
> 
> I'm [---] this close to having it working i know it.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> --
> Jeff MacDonald
> http://www.halifaxbudolife.ca
> http://www.nintai.ca
> 


-- 
Jeff MacDonald
http://www.halifaxbudolife.ca
http://www.nintai.ca


From KCarter at shelbyed.k12.al.us  Wed Aug  3 19:16:54 2005
From: KCarter at shelbyed.k12.al.us (Ken Carter)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:16:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cleaning out lists of users
Message-ID: <s2f0b5db.072@cofc-eml10.sww.shelbyed.k12.al.us>

Our school system has over 30 lists that are maintained by different
people.  I'm looking for an efficient process where I can delete
addresses from all lists without having to wade though the lists one by
one.  Finding one email in the mess is bad enough but when you're
talking about clearing 50+ at a shot it is insane!  

Thanks for any suggestions!

Ken Carter
Network Administration, Shelby County Schools
410 East College Street, Columbiana, AL 35051
(205) 682-5829 Voice, (205) 682-7094 FAX



From billl at inetmsg.com  Wed Aug  3 19:41:48 2005
From: billl at inetmsg.com (Bill Landry)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:41:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cleaning out lists of users
References: <s2f0b5db.072@cofc-eml10.sww.shelbyed.k12.al.us>
Message-ID: <093701c59852$9fe82aa0$43c6e2a5@blxp>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Carter" <KCarter at shelbyed.k12.al.us>

> Our school system has over 30 lists that are maintained by different
> people.  I'm looking for an efficient process where I can delete
> addresses from all lists without having to wade though the lists one by
> one.  Finding one email in the mess is bad enough but when you're
> talking about clearing 50+ at a shot it is insane!

You could fairly easily accomplished this using the "remove_members" 
variable via a console session (see: 
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/site.html).

Bill 



From KCarter at shelbyed.k12.al.us  Wed Aug  3 20:37:13 2005
From: KCarter at shelbyed.k12.al.us (Ken Carter)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:37:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cleaning out lists of users
Message-ID: <s2f0c89b.039@cofc-eml10.sww.shelbyed.k12.al.us>

Thanks everyone... got the job done.  However I think I'll script a
combination of the find and remove_members to remove an email address
from all lists in one stroke from a file. If I get it working well I'll
be sure to post the script for yawl.

Ken Carter
Network Administration, Shelby County Schools
410 East College Street, Columbiana, AL 35051
(205) 682-5829 Voice, (205) 682-7094 FAX


>>> "Bill Landry" <billl at inetmsg.com> 8/3/2005 12:41:48 PM >>>
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Carter" <KCarter at shelbyed.k12.al.us>

> Our school system has over 30 lists that are maintained by different
> people.  I'm looking for an efficient process where I can delete
> addresses from all lists without having to wade though the lists one
by
> one.  Finding one email in the mess is bad enough but when you're
> talking about clearing 50+ at a shot it is insane!

You could fairly easily accomplished this using the "remove_members" 
variable via a console session (see: 
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/site.html).

Bill 

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From bert.beaudin at uwc-usa.org  Wed Aug  3 22:17:10 2005
From: bert.beaudin at uwc-usa.org (Bert Beaudin)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:17:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email not being sent
Message-ID: <88AF6E61964C1E43B0F06CE8D6804D69041021@cielo.ahuwc.local>

Hello all
    I have a postfix server running amavisd-new, clamav and
spamassissian along with mailman on an openbsd server. I can create list
form the web pages and users that I subscribe there are reciving emails
welcoming them. The problem come when I post to the list. I see
/usr/local/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post it-test in my mail logs but the
email never gets sent.All other email sent though this box is working
fine. Any pointers would be great. I have looked at the log files in
/var/spool/mailman/logs but nothing is sticking out. 
 
Thanks,
Bert
 
 

Bert Beaudin

It Manager

AHUWC

bert at uwc.net <mailto:bert at uwc.net> 

505-454-4254

www.uwc-usa.org <http://www.uwc-usa.org/> 

 

 


From randall at randallsquared.com  Thu Aug  4 00:28:05 2005
From: randall at randallsquared.com (Randall Randall)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:28:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail always and only delivered to list owner
Message-ID: <eaeb247079ce7ebd18a956a760bab499@randallsquared.com>

Hi,

I'm administering a list for announcements where most
notifications are turned off, but mail to list members
seems to have gone with it. :)

Any message sent by any member to the list doesn't
show up in the moderation webpage, even though all
users have moderation turned on, but instead is sent
at once to the list owner.

I checked the permissions, I reran newaliases, and
basically have no idea what to check next.  I'm not
sure what settings are relevant to this, and rather
than post the entire output of config_list -o , I
thought I'd ask first if there is some obvious setting
I should check?

Thanks in advance for any help!

--
Randall Randall
<randall at randallsquared.com> (706) 536-2674
Remote administration -- web applications -- consulting



From randall at randallsquared.com  Thu Aug  4 02:10:03 2005
From: randall at randallsquared.com (Randall Randall)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:10:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail always and only delivered to list owner
In-Reply-To: <6BFE406B-DAD8-49B1-9112-0D43C382EE21@memphis.edu>
References: <eaeb247079ce7ebd18a956a760bab499@randallsquared.com>
	<6BFE406B-DAD8-49B1-9112-0D43C382EE21@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <f14a0560fed7faf3681f226ad09f745c@randallsquared.com>


On Aug 3, 2005, at 6:33 PM, Dan Phillips wrote:
> Have you looked at mailman/data/aliases to be sure they're correct? 
> This sounds like an alias question, but he answer will depend on which 
> MTA you're using.

You're right; it was an alias problem.  We're using
/etc/aliases, but there's also a virtual user table
that had an old, spurious alias which happened to
match the name of the list that we just created, so
all mail to the list itself was going to the named
user in the alias, who happened to be the list owner.

It hadn't occurred to me to check the "normal" sendmail
setup, since I knew that was working okay: after all,
lots of mail was being sent and received all the time! :)

Thanks for your help!

Sorry for raising the noise level with things that've
nothing to do with Mailman.

--
Randall Randall
<randall at randallsquared.com> (706) 536-2674
Remote administration -- web applications -- consulting




From jervin123 at comcast.net  Thu Aug  4 02:15:39 2005
From: jervin123 at comcast.net (John W. Ervin)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 00:15:39 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about setting up mailman
Message-ID: <080420050015.22450.42F15E2B00060DE1000057B22200760180CCCDCE0207909D0A06@comcast.net>

well im trying to configure my mailman mailing list with the subscribe addresses and stuff can anyone help im managing it threw cpanel x 7 


From tdeboer at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 03:15:20 2005
From: tdeboer at gmail.com (Tim DeBoer)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:15:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User errors
Message-ID: <f5fb660050803181575a256a2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,
I've managed to get mailman installed on my FBSD 4.X system, but I
can't seem to get a few things working.

1. I'm unable to access the web interface at the URLs provided in the
confirmation email after creating the default mailman list.
I just get the error:
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

2. The error_log for the site contains the following traceback:
(*Note, Sorry, but I've munged the actual system name on purpose, I've
had to learn the hard way unfortunatly. If you really want the system
name for testing or whatever, email me and we'll discuss it.)

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[----- Mailman Version: 2.1.6 -----]
[----- Traceback ------]
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 82, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52,
in __init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f
    1)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 566, in open
    file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'
[----- Python Information -----]
sys.version     = 2.3.2 (#1, Feb 18 2004, 14:11:10)
[GCC 2.95.4 20020320 [FreeBSD]]
sys.executable  = /usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix      = /usr/local
sys.exec_prefix = /usr/local
sys.path        = /usr/local
sys.platform    = freebsd4
[----- Environment Variables -----]
        SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.33 (Unix) PHP/4.3.10
        SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
        SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.33 Server at
mail.foo.net Port 80</ADDRESS>

        REQUEST_METHOD: GET
        PATH_INFO: /mailman
        SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
        QUERY_STRING:
        HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
        HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
        SERVER_NAME: mail.foo.net
        REMOTE_ADDR: 24.9.90.40
        PATH_TRANSLATED: /usr/www/docs/mailman
        SERVER_PORT: 80
        SERVER_ADDR: 216.229.0.158
        DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/www/docs
        PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman
        SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
        SERVER_ADMIN: me at foo.net
        SCRIPT_URI: http://mail.foo.net/mailman/admin/mailman
        HTTP_HOST: mail.foo.net
        SCRIPT_URL: /mailman/admin/mailman
        REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/mailman
        HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, application/x-shockwave-flash, */*
        GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
        REMOTE_PORT: 1454
        HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us
        HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate

If I try to run the listinfo script in cgi-bin from the command prompt, I get 

/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
Content-type: text/html

<head>
<title>Mailman CGI error!!!</title>
</head><body>
<h1>Mailman CGI error!!!</h1>
The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being
stored in your syslog:
<pre>
Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the CGI
wrapper script to be executed as group "www", but
the system's web server executed the CGI script as
group "wheel".  Try tweaking the web server to run the
script as group "www", or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=wheel'.</pre>

I did install mailman from the ports, rather than source so that may
have something to do with it, I don't know.
Also, I'm using suexec on apache, I'm not sure this is related to that though.

Also, the scripts print mail.foo.net when reporting an error, rather
than the correct hostname of spaz.foo.net, I don't know if that's
related to any of the above though.

Any ideas?

Thanks!


-- 
Tim DeBoer

Just once, I'd like it if someone called me "Sir".
Without adding "You're creating a scene".


From chuckgo at chuckgo.com  Thu Aug  4 05:16:55 2005
From: chuckgo at chuckgo.com (Chuck G)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:16:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Throttle outbound mail delivery restricted to 200
	per hour, Bounce
Message-ID: <6D8840C7FB07E04EACA5D2213380DAF70129FD@p4-24.LANA.LOCAL>

Is it possible to Throttle outbound mail delivery in Mailman
To say it another way 

Can I make Mailman send only 200 outbound messages per hour.
 
version 2.1.6
Linux cyan.com 2.4.21-32.0.1.ELsmp #1 SMP i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
apache (1.3.33 (Unix))

exim (exim-4.52-7_cpanel_smtpctl_av_rewrite_mm2_mmmtrap_exiscan_md5pass)
 
My hosting provider has set a limit of 200 outbound email messages per
domain.
 
My list has 500 subscribers
 
The first 200 emails Mailman sends,  go out to the mail subsystem  and
are delivered to the subscribers.
For the remaining 300 subscribers Mailman starts to receive message back
from the mail subsystem that report
 
------------------
From: Mailer-Daemon at myserver.wxy
 
Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

*@yahoo.com
    unrouteable mail domain "yahoo.com"
*@aol.com
    unrouteable mail domain "aol.com"
*@somedomain.com
    unrouteable mail domain "somedomain.com"
*@anydomain.com
    unrouteable mail domain "anydomain.com"
*@Alldomains.com
    unrouteable mail domain "Alldomains.com"
Repeated for each of the remaining 300 subscribers
----------------------
 
I get 300 copies 
 
 
Chuck Gogolin
chuckgo at chuckgo.com 



From ArtistSeries at aol.com  Thu Aug  4 06:11:53 2005
From: ArtistSeries at aol.com (ArtistSeries at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:11:53 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman help
Message-ID: <fe.18c81887.3022ef89@aol.com>

have a question.. I switched hosting companies and my new company  does not 
support mailman. My database files are still there but I cannot access  
mailman.. I need to get my list transfered to a txt file but not sure how to do  it.. 
Mailman is disable so all i have is the files in the file manager... The  
addresses are still there but scrambled... Again the config files are still  
there I just need to figure out how to get the info into a txt file...  


Thanks



From daffyduke at lautre.net  Thu Aug  4 08:50:13 2005
From: daffyduke at lautre.net (DaffyDuke)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:50:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts and https
In-Reply-To: <PC17402005080109440405783b6cb066@msapiro>
References: <PC17402005080109440405783b6cb066@msapiro>
Message-ID: <1123138213.3476.24.camel@localhost>

Hi,


I have a similar problem with virtual domains on L'Autre Net. 
I tried the Mark and Dan tips in my mm_cfg.py , even restart, fix_url
and wipe list. (add_virtualhost, patterns etc ...)


Le lundi 01 ao?t 2005 ? 09:44 -0700, Mark Sapiro a ?crit :
> Dan Collins wrote:

daffy at colerpia:~$ lynx -source
http://daffyduke.lautre.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ag-staff|grep
address\>
 <hr><address>Liste de diffusion <a
href="http://daffyduke.lautre.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ag-staff">Ag-staff</a> g?r?e par <a href="mailto:ag-staff-owner at daffyduke.lautre.net">daffyduke at lautre.net</a><br><a href="http://daffyduke.lautre.net/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/ag-staff">Interface administrative de Ag-staff</a> (autorisation requise)<br><a href="http://elsa.lautre.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo">Panorama de toutes les listes sur daffyduke.lautre.net</a><p>
</address>


My problem is that hostname is different between what is seen
(daffyduke.lautre.net) and the real url (elsa.lautre.net) .

It appears the line in the /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py is: 

%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s

Shall I modify anything there ?


My commands in console :

  379  ./withlist -l -r fix_url ag-staff --urlhost=daffyduke.lautre.net
  380  ./arch --wipe ag-staff
  381  ./config_list -o /tmp/ag-staff ag-staff

  385  grep host /tmp/ag-staff
and I effectively found 
host_name = 'daffyduke.lautre.net'



Strange :-(


However it seems that the global listing list in listinfo is buggy : 
I have no list when i try
http://techos.lautre.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/
and the shown hostname is elsa.lautre.net :-( But the host in config
file is right with techos.lautre.net .
Where is the parsed file with the cgi. listinfo.html in templates/lang,
Defaults.py in Handlers, anything else ?

I tried french or english templates , same problems. So, templates
should be rights.


Thanks for your help,

-- 

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From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Aug  4 09:02:22 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:02:22 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cleaning out lists of users
In-Reply-To: <s2f0c89b.039@cofc-eml10.sww.shelbyed.k12.al.us>
References: <s2f0c89b.039@cofc-eml10.sww.shelbyed.k12.al.us>
Message-ID: <9D848C15-A11E-4484-AF6F-71CE48BAECD9@onjapan.net>


On Aug 4, 2005, at 03:37, Ken Carter wrote:

> Thanks everyone... got the job done.  However I think I'll script a
> combination of the find and remove_members to remove an email address
> from all lists in one stroke from a file. If I get it working well  
> I'll
> be sure to post the script for yawl.

If you wanted to live that dangerously, it might be easier to just  
remove the sanity check in remove_members that prevents you from  
using the --all and --fromall switches at the same time.


-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman





From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Aug  4 09:14:29 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:14:29 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Throttle outbound mail delivery restricted to
	200 per hour, Bounce
In-Reply-To: <6D8840C7FB07E04EACA5D2213380DAF70129FD@p4-24.LANA.LOCAL>
References: <6D8840C7FB07E04EACA5D2213380DAF70129FD@p4-24.LANA.LOCAL>
Message-ID: <1C0F8DDA-3C87-4EA6-803C-E7084263A994@onjapan.net>


On Aug 4, 2005, at 12:16, Chuck G wrote:

> Is it possible to Throttle outbound mail delivery in Mailman

Mailman does not support limiting the rate messages are delivered.
   <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
req=show&file=faq04.051.htp>


-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman





From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Aug  4 09:38:45 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:38:45 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman help
In-Reply-To: <fe.18c81887.3022ef89@aol.com>
References: <fe.18c81887.3022ef89@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B21A37C5-1559-49EA-8E06-12A6FDB64FE0@onjapan.net>

On Aug 4, 2005, at 13:11, ArtistSeries at aol.com wrote:

> I switched hosting companies and my new company  does not
> support mailman. My database files are still there but I cannot access
> mailman.. I need to get my list transfered to a txt file but not  
> sure how to do  it..
> Mailman is disable so all i have is the files in the file manager...

The easiest way is to install Mailman somewhere and then use the  
list_members tool.

Alternatively, you could recover the subscriber email addresses  
fairly easily just by using Python on your local computer to open the  
pickled copy of the list configuration.  Something like (meaning,  
untested mail client code :-):

import cPickle
m = cPickle.load(open('config.pck', 'rb'))
for member in m['members']:
     print member
for digestmember in m['digest_members']:
     print digestmember


-- 
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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Aug  4 12:03:17 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:03:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about setting up mailman
In-Reply-To: <080420050015.22450.42F15E2B00060DE1000057B22200760180CCCDCE020790
	9D0A06@comcast.net>
References: <080420050015.22450.42F15E2B00060DE1000057B22200760180CCCDCE020790
	9D0A06@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <p0620070bbf179858f975@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:15 AM +0000 2005-08-04, John W. Ervin wrote:

>  well im trying to configure my mailman mailing list with the
>  subscribe addresses and stuff can anyone help im managing it
>  threw cpanel x 7

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Aug  4 12:06:25 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:06:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User errors
In-Reply-To: <f5fb660050803181575a256a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f5fb660050803181575a256a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0620070cbf17987e0244@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:15 PM -0600 2005-08-03, Tim DeBoer wrote:

>    File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 566, in open
>      file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
>  IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'

	This is a permissions problem.  Check the ownership and 
permissions of the directory structure.  The ~mailman/bin/check_perms 
script may be of use to you.

>  Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the CGI
>  wrapper script to be executed as group "www", but
>  the system's web server executed the CGI script as
>  group "wheel".  Try tweaking the web server to run the
>  script as group "www", or re-run configure,
>  providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=wheel'.</pre>

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.016.htp>.

>  I did install mailman from the ports, rather than source so that may
>  have something to do with it, I don't know.
>  Also, I'm using suexec on apache, I'm not sure this is related to 
>that though.

	I believe that suexec can cause problems.  See above.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Aug  4 12:09:01 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:09:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Throttle outbound mail delivery restricted to
 200 per hour, Bounce
In-Reply-To: <6D8840C7FB07E04EACA5D2213380DAF70129FD@p4-24.LANA.LOCAL>
References: <6D8840C7FB07E04EACA5D2213380DAF70129FD@p4-24.LANA.LOCAL>
Message-ID: <p0620070dbf17992a2abb@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:16 PM -0700 2005-08-03, Chuck G wrote:

>  Is it possible to Throttle outbound mail delivery in Mailman
>  To say it another way
>
>  Can I make Mailman send only 200 outbound messages per hour.

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.051.htp>.

-- 
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Aug  4 12:11:26 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:11:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman help
In-Reply-To: <fe.18c81887.3022ef89@aol.com>
References: <fe.18c81887.3022ef89@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p0620070ebf179a326876@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:11 AM -0400 2005-08-04, ArtistSeries at aol.com wrote:

>  have a question.. I switched hosting companies and my new company  does not
>  support mailman. My database files are still there but I cannot access
>  mailman.. I need to get my list transfered to a txt file but not sure how
>  to do  it..

	Try the "list_members" command.  Read more about it at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From asseline at tsi.enst.fr  Thu Aug  4 13:53:34 2005
From: asseline at tsi.enst.fr (Dominique Asselineau)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:53:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce scores
Message-ID: <20050804115334.GA24608@cocteau>

Hello,

It seems the bounce scores do not appear into the administration pages.
In particular into the membership administration pages.

Where these scores are stored?  
Is it possible to reset one of them?

Thank you.

Dominique Asselineau

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From sbarr at mlsd.net  Thu Aug  4 14:15:10 2005
From: sbarr at mlsd.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:15:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown local-part error
Message-ID: <E1E0ecy-0002L0-00@www>

Good morning.

Our district mail server is running Exim on a Debian Woody box.  Mailman is
installed and has been working fine for several years.  However, I have been
creating new lists, and have run into a problem that I can't seem to figure
out.

I created a list named "mad-mail-admin".  The list created fine, and I
received the e-mail stating that the list was created.  When I send a
message to that list, I get an error in my Exim log that says:
mad-mail-admin at example.net: unknown local-part "mad-mail-admin" in domain
"example.net"

If I run "exim -d -bt mad-mail-admin at example.net" from the command line, I
get a similar error.  

I have deleted and recreated the list, and still no go.  Other lists created
at the same time work fine.  

For example, "exim -d -bt mad-mail-prin at example.net" gives me "deliver to
mad-mail-prin in domain example.net  director = mailman_director, transport
= mailman_transport".  

I just checked all of my lists, and the only one that fails is
"mad-mail-admin".  The other 41 lists work as expected!

I'm not sure what else to look at.  Exim is working and Mailman is working.
This one list is giving me fits.  Any ideas?  Suggestions?

Steve Barr
Technology Coordinator
Madison Local School District


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From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Aug  4 15:33:19 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:33:19 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown local-part error
In-Reply-To: <E1E0ecy-0002L0-00@www>
References: <E1E0ecy-0002L0-00@www>
Message-ID: <BFADE98A-0A79-4B39-B618-09C61E2846CD@onjapan.net>

On Aug 4, 2005, at 21:15, Steve Barr wrote:

> I created a list named "mad-mail-admin".  The list created fine, and I
> received the e-mail stating that the list was created.  When I send a
> message to that list, I get an error in my Exim log that says:
> mad-mail-admin at example.net: unknown local-part "mad-mail-admin" in  
> domain
> "example.net"

-admin had special meaning with Mailman 2.0.  If you are using  
Mailman 2.1, you can remove -admin from the list of suffixes that the  
mailman router checks for.

I still try to avoid using -admin in list names because of  
expectations of users who may expect it to by synonymous with -owner.


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From sbarr at mlsd.net  Thu Aug  4 18:48:34 2005
From: sbarr at mlsd.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:48:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown local-part error
In-Reply-To: <BFADE98A-0A79-4B39-B618-09C61E2846CD@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <E1E0itY-0004he-00@www>

> > I created a list named "mad-mail-admin".  The list created 
> fine, and I 
> > received the e-mail stating that the list was created.  
> When I send a 
> > message to that list, I get an error in my Exim log that says:
> > mad-mail-admin at example.net: unknown local-part "mad-mail-admin" in 
> > domain "example.net"
> 
> -admin had special meaning with Mailman 2.0.  If you are 
> using Mailman 2.1, you can remove -admin from the list of 
> suffixes that the mailman router checks for.

Doh!  That's what I was missing.  
 
> I still try to avoid using -admin in list names because of 
> expectations of users who may expect it to by synonymous with -owner.

Unfortunately, the list names are "standards" created by our ISP.  I have to
create a distribution list with that name.  Maybe I'll change the list name
and alias it /etc/aliases...

Thanks for waking me up!

Steve


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From tom at detroitonline.com  Thu Aug  4 20:33:54 2005
From: tom at detroitonline.com (Tom Ray)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:33:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limit Users
Message-ID: <42F25F92.7090500@detroitonline.com>

Is there a way I can set a list up so it has a user limit? Or a way to 
run a daily cron that will check the user list amount?

-- 

Tom Ray
Detroit Online

http://www.detroitonline.com
Toll Free: 888-235-6817 x501
Toll: 313-887-0805 x501



From John.Spanitz at Rodale.com  Thu Aug  4 22:09:18 2005
From: John.Spanitz at Rodale.com (Spanitz, John)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:09:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman do this?
Message-ID: <C181792411D22A40A8121B05D966010419AF7313@EXCH2003.rodale.com>

Can Mailman auto pre-pend a keyword in the subject field of each email
send to a list?  Thanks.
 
John Spanitz 
Systems Administrator
Rodale, Inc.
400 South 10th St.
Emmaus, Pa 18098
610-967-7804
john.spanitz at rodale.com
 


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Aug  4 22:10:28 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:10:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limit Users
In-Reply-To: <42F25F92.7090500@detroitonline.com>
References: <42F25F92.7090500@detroitonline.com>
Message-ID: <p06200714bf1826453d44@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:33 PM -0400 2005-08-04, Tom Ray wrote:

>  Is there a way I can set a list up so it has a user limit?

	No.

>                                                             Or a way to
>  run a daily cron that will check the user list amount?

	Sure.  You can do anything you want with cron, and there are a 
number of command-line utilities that Mailman provides which you may 
find useful in cron jobs (see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>). 
However, the rest is up to you.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From tom at detroitonline.com  Thu Aug  4 22:14:49 2005
From: tom at detroitonline.com (Tom Ray)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:14:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman do this?
In-Reply-To: <C181792411D22A40A8121B05D966010419AF7313@EXCH2003.rodale.com>
References: <C181792411D22A40A8121B05D966010419AF7313@EXCH2003.rodale.com>
Message-ID: <42F27739.8060704@detroitonline.com>

Yes it can, it's under the admin tool. It's meant mainly to put the list 
name in the subject, but you're free to put what ever you want there.

*subject_prefix* (general): Prefix for subject line of list postings.

This text will be prepended to subject lines of messages posted to the 
list, to distinguish mailing list messages in in mailbox summaries. 
Brevity is premium here, it's ok to shorten long mailing list names to 
something more concise, as long as it still identifies the mailing list.



Spanitz, John wrote:

>Can Mailman auto pre-pend a keyword in the subject field of each email
>send to a list?  Thanks.
> 
>John Spanitz 
>Systems Administrator
>Rodale, Inc.
>400 South 10th St.
>Emmaus, Pa 18098
>610-967-7804
>john.spanitz at rodale.com
> 
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>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tom%40detroitonline.com
>
>Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&amp;file=faq01.027.htp
>  
>

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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Aug  4 22:14:12 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:14:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman do this?
In-Reply-To: <C181792411D22A40A8121B05D966010419AF7313@EXCH2003.rodale.com>
References: <C181792411D22A40A8121B05D966010419AF7313@EXCH2003.rodale.com>
Message-ID: <p06200715bf18275e7f37@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:09 PM -0400 2005-08-04, Spanitz, John wrote:

>  Can Mailman auto pre-pend a keyword in the subject field of each email
>  send to a list?  Thanks.

	By default, Mailman will automatically prepend the subject prefix 
for the list to every post, but there is no other facility to prepend 
any other form of keyword.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From tom at detroitonline.com  Thu Aug  4 22:26:01 2005
From: tom at detroitonline.com (Tom Ray)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:26:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limit Users
In-Reply-To: <p06200714bf1826453d44@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <42F25F92.7090500@detroitonline.com>
	<p06200714bf1826453d44@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <42F279D9.9030701@detroitonline.com>

Thanks, I'll check that out.

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 2:33 PM -0400 2005-08-04, Tom Ray wrote:
>
>>  Is there a way I can set a list up so it has a user limit?
>
>
>     No.
>
>>                                                             Or a way to
>>  run a daily cron that will check the user list amount?
>
>
>     Sure.  You can do anything you want with cron, and there are a 
> number of command-line utilities that Mailman provides which you may 
> find useful in cron jobs (see 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>). 
> However, the rest is up to you.
>

-- 

Tom Ray
Detroit Online

http://www.detroitonline.com
Toll Free: 888-235-6817 x501
Toll: 313-887-0805 x501



From martinr at hotkey.net.au  Fri Aug  5 10:27:51 2005
From: martinr at hotkey.net.au (Martin Rheumer)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 10:27:51
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Vacation Setting for multiple lists.
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20050805102751.00c1a688@pop.hotkey.net.au>


Lets say I was stupid enough to create 40 odd internal lists
and now wanted to set a vacation setting for myself on all
40 lists. Is there a command line tool / way to say

vacation martinr at hotkey.net.au all lists ?

Thanks again..
Martin




From llasher at gmail.com  Fri Aug  5 06:19:30 2005
From: llasher at gmail.com (llasher)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:19:30 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange behaviour: posts not appearing
Message-ID: <a957425405080421191c6ded1a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I am new to Mailman, and thought I had set it up properly. I have
enabled a list using the Plesk cpanel of my webserver, subbed some
people and posted once myself. This first post appeared but subsequent
posts from two different (subbed) email addresses of mine have not.
Replies to previous posts have appeared, but not my new posts.

I am bewildered as to why my initial post (the first one to the list)
has appeared but no others. I have used pretty much the default
settings to Mailman. I thought it may be a server problem, although
another test list I set up yesterday works fine.

The only thing I can think of doing is to set up another list, and sub
my list members to this and see if it works. This will be quite
embarrassing for me to do, and i spose I may have the same problems,
so if anyone has an idea what is going wrong, I would be very
thankful.

Yours, llasher


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Aug  5 10:09:31 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:09:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange behaviour: posts not appearing
In-Reply-To: <a957425405080421191c6ded1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a957425405080421191c6ded1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0620071abf18cf13cda1@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:19 PM +1000 2005-08-05, llasher wrote:

>  Hi, I am new to Mailman, and thought I had set it up properly. I have
>  enabled a list using the Plesk cpanel of my webserver, subbed some
>  people and posted once myself. This first post appeared but subsequent
>  posts from two different (subbed) email addresses of mine have not.

	Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>, and search for things 
like "plesk", "cpanel", and "troubleshooting".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Aug  5 14:24:26 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:24:26 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Vacation Setting for multiple lists.
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20050805102751.00c1a688@pop.hotkey.net.au>
References: <3.0.5.32.20050805102751.00c1a688@pop.hotkey.net.au>
Message-ID: <42F35A7A.9050604@onjapan.net>

On 2005/08/05 10:27, Martin Rheumer wrote:
> Lets say I was stupid enough to create 40 odd internal lists
> and now wanted to set a vacation setting for myself on all
> 40 lists. Is there a command line tool / way to say
> 
> vacation martinr at hotkey.net.au all lists ?

bin/withlist with its '-a' option can be used to set a particular member 
to nomail status.

<http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg24479.html>
(although in your case, you probably want the except clause to be simply:
     except NotAMemberError:
         pass

Then do:
$ bin/withlist -l -a -r nomail user at example.com


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From forrie at forrie.com  Fri Aug  5 19:50:03 2005
From: forrie at forrie.com (Forrest Aldrich)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:50:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NNTP errors
Message-ID: <42F3A6CB.8090906@forrie.com>

I configured Mailman to perform NNTP gatewaying recently (v2.1.5).  It 
appears to be working fine, however I'm seeing the following in the 
error log, and I'm not sure what to make of it:


    Aug 03 01:05:00 2005 gate_news(16582): Traceback (most recent call
    last):
    Aug 03 01:05:00 2005 gate_news(16582):   File
    "/opt/m1/mailman-1.0/cron/gate_news", line 28
    4, in ?
    Aug 03 01:05:00 2005 gate_news(16582):      main()
    Aug 03 01:05:00 2005 gate_news(16582):   File
    "/opt/m1/mailman-1.0/cron/gate_news", line 26
    4, in main
    Aug 03 01:05:00 2005 gate_news(16582):      process_lists(lock)
    Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):   File
    "/opt/m1/mailman-1.0/cron/gate_news", line 20
    8, in process_lists
    Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):      conn, first, last =
    open_newsgroup(mlist)
    Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):   File
    "/opt/m1/mailman-1.0/cron/gate_news", line 10
    3, in open_newsgroup
    Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):     
    password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD)
    Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):   File
    "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py", line 1
    26, in __init__
    Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):      self.welcome =
    self.shortcmd('mode reader')
    Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):   File
    "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py", line 2
    60, in shortcmd
    Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):      return self.getresp()
    Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):   File
    "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py", line 2
    15, in getresp
    Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):      resp = self.getline()
    Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):   File
    "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py", line 2
    07, in getline
    Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):      if not line: raise EOFError
    Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582): EOFError


Some of it seems like debugging output, but the last line seems to 
indicate a problem somewhere.


Thanks.





From cres24 at cox.net  Fri Aug  5 21:29:10 2005
From: cres24 at cox.net (Scott Loga)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:29:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 403 Forbidden Error when creating list
Message-ID: <20050805192908.ERVA1531.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@SYSADMINREMOTE>

Hi, I am new to mailman and are running it on a FreeBSD 5.4 server.
Additionally, I am running Apache2 and postfix.  I have configured
mailman, apache2 and postfix according to documents, but are receiving
an 403 Forbidden error when I attempt to access
my.domain.dom/mailman/create

This is my /var/log/httpd-error.log file

[Fri Aug 05 14:03:11 2005] [error] [client 68.0.62.92] client denied by
server configuration: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create
[Fri Aug 05 14:10:48 2005] [error] [client 68.0.62.92] client denied by
server configuration: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

It is apparent that I have a permissions issue, but I am not sure how to
correct it.  I have added the following to my  apache2 httpd.conf file

ScriptAlias /mailman "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin"
Alias /pipermail "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public"


I will appreciate any assistance or direction you could provide in
helping me correct this problem

Respectfully,

Scott Loga



From jwt at onjapan.net  Sat Aug  6 03:52:16 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:52:16 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NNTP errors
In-Reply-To: <42F3A6CB.8090906@forrie.com>
References: <42F3A6CB.8090906@forrie.com>
Message-ID: <46E27DFA-269C-4CFE-B38E-AA4CA1AFA127@onjapan.net>

On Aug 6, 2005, at 02:50, Forrest Aldrich wrote:

>   Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):      self.welcome =
>     self.shortcmd('mode reader')
>     Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):   File
>     "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py", line 2
>     60, in shortcmd
>     Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):      return self.getresp()
>     Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):   File
>     "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py", line 2
>     15, in getresp

It looks like your news server doesn't respond to the 'mode reader'  
command.  Try changing 'readermode=True' to 'readermode=False' in the  
nntplib.NNTP() call of cron/gate_news.

(If that makes this error go away, I would expect you would also need  
to change it in Mailman/Queue/NewsRunner.py.)

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From cres24 at cox.net  Sat Aug  6 04:59:03 2005
From: cres24 at cox.net (Scott Loga)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:59:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 403 Forbidden Error when creating list
In-Reply-To: <20050805192908.ERVA1531.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@SYSADMINREMOTE>
Message-ID: <20050806025902.NJHA14195.lakermmtao02.cox.net@SYSADMINREMOTE>

I was able to find a solution in the mailing list.  It took a quite a
bit of digging, but I realized I had to reconfigure my apache httpd.conf
file.  I found two versions of this solution and since I am new to
FreeBSD,Apache and mailman I am not sure which one is correct or safe? -
although the both versions do work.  

************Version #1******************************************

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
<Directory /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/>
    AllowOverride None
    Options ExecCGI
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
<Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/>
    Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks
    AllowOverride None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory> 



*******************Version 2**************************************

>     ScriptAlias /mailman "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin"
  <Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/>
    Options None
    AllowOverride None
    Order deny,allow
    Allow from all
  </Directory>
>     Alias /pipermail "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public"
  <Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/>
    Options FollowSymLinks
    AllowOverride None
    Order deny,allow
    Allow from all
  </Directory>

If anyone has any suggestions as to which solution to use, it would be
greatly appreciated.

Respectfully,

Scott Loga





-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+cres24=cox.net at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+cres24=cox.net at python.org] On Behalf Of
Scott Loga
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 2:29 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 403 Forbidden Error when creating list

Hi, I am new to mailman and are running it on a FreeBSD 5.4 server.
Additionally, I am running Apache2 and postfix.  I have configured
mailman, apache2 and postfix according to documents, but are receiving
an 403 Forbidden error when I attempt to access
my.domain.dom/mailman/create

This is my /var/log/httpd-error.log file

[Fri Aug 05 14:03:11 2005] [error] [client 68.0.62.92] client denied by
server configuration: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create [Fri Aug 05
14:10:48 2005] [error] [client 68.0.62.92] client denied by server
configuration: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

It is apparent that I have a permissions issue, but I am not sure how to
correct it.  I have added the following to my  apache2 httpd.conf file

ScriptAlias /mailman "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin"
Alias /pipermail "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public"


I will appreciate any assistance or direction you could provide in
helping me correct this problem

Respectfully,

Scott Loga

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From ajit at iitb.ac.in  Sat Aug  6 05:24:31 2005
From: ajit at iitb.ac.in (ajit k jena)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 08:54:31 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help in setting up Regular Expressions
Message-ID: <1123298671.4167.34.camel@indica>

Hi,

I administer a few mailing lists. I have been struggling to
setup regular expressions to allow people to subscribe (and
may be post) from specfic address patterns.

I have seen some tips about doing this but none of those ideas
have worked for me.

Here is my need:

    Lets say I have a list xyz at iitb.ac.in.

    SUBSCRIPTION :

    I wish that people with address pattern abc at iitb.ac.in and
    def@<dept>.iitb.ac.in (where dept is a department such as
    phy, cc, che, chem, ee .... etc) to be able to send
    subscription requests to this list. All others must be
    automatically discarded.

    POSTING :

    Similarly, while posting, only members post without moderator's
    intervention. For postings that come from non-members the
    following should happen:

      a) Non-member address pattern confirming to the scheme    
         abc at iitb.ac.in and def@<dept>.iitb.ac.in should be
         held up for moderator's approval.

      b) Non-member address pattern not confirming to the
         above patterns get discarded.

Basically, I am trying to lighten the burden on the moderator
in this SPAM infested world.

Pl send me your ideas ASAP.

Thanks.

--ajit 
---------------------------------------------------------------
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 Computer Centre                           +91-22-25767751    
 Indian Institute of Technology    Fax   : +91-22-25721210
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From jwt at onjapan.net  Sat Aug  6 06:25:15 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:25:15 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help in setting up Regular Expressions
In-Reply-To: <1123298671.4167.34.camel@indica>
References: <1123298671.4167.34.camel@indica>
Message-ID: <CCDD1561-9874-4A42-A79E-5C7B1109E31F@onjapan.net>

On Aug 6, 2005, at 12:24, ajit k jena wrote:

> I administer a few mailing lists. I have been struggling to
> setup regular expressions to allow people to subscribe (and
> may be post) from specfic address patterns.

My first impression is that it would be better to do this in your MTA  
than mailman.  If nobody outside your domain can subscribe or post,  
you could just make Mailman invisible to them.

>     SUBSCRIPTION :
>
>     I wish that people with address pattern abc at iitb.ac.in and
>     def@<dept>.iitb.ac.in (where dept is a department such as
>     phy, cc, che, chem, ee .... etc) to be able to send
>     subscription requests to this list. All others must be
>     automatically discarded.

I don't believe you can do this without changing the code.  While you  
might use a negative lookahead assertion in a regular expression in  
Subscription rules ban_list, the unwanted subscriptions are rejected  
with a notice rather than being quietly discarded.

>     POSTING :
>
>     Similarly, while posting, only members post without moderator's
>     intervention. For postings that come from non-members the
>     following should happen:
>
>       a) Non-member address pattern confirming to the scheme
>          abc at iitb.ac.in and def@<dept>.iitb.ac.in should be
>          held up for moderator's approval.
>
>       b) Non-member address pattern not confirming to the
>          above patterns get discarded.

The Sender filters hold_these_nonmemembers and  
discard_these_nonmembers settings are checked in order, so I believe  
you could use ^[^@]+@(.+\.)?iitb\.ac\.in and ^.* respectively for those.


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From jens at spamfreemail.de  Sat Aug  6 13:54:01 2005
From: jens at spamfreemail.de (Jens Benecke)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:54:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix recipient_delimiter="-" and Mailman
Message-ID: <dd28a8$po2$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hello,

I have converted a QMail installation to Postfix and kept the
recipient_delimiter as "-" because with QMail it was default and my users
expect this. However, this seems to conflict with Mailman's addressing
scheme. All list functions are working execpt those who need to send mail
to list-owner / list-subscribe or unsubscribe etc.

I suspect this would be because of the recipient_delimiter.

Is there an (easy) way of changing the delimiter in Mailman? I am using the
postfix-to-mailman.py script with a transport table and no alias files.

Alternatively, is there a way in Postfix to ignore the recipient-delimiter
for specified domains? I don't mix lists and email adresses in one domain.

Postfix 2.1.5, Mailman 2.1.5, Debian Sarge.


I would really appreciate some help. Thank you! :)


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From jens at spamfreemail.de  Sat Aug  6 14:46:14 2005
From: jens at spamfreemail.de (Jens Benecke)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:46:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman "host_name" security issue?
Message-ID: <dd2bc5$e8$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hello,

I haven't found this at Google so maybe nobody has thought about it yet.

I use Postfix with postfix-to-mailman.py and no alias setup. I also use
several domains. Some of them are in the mailman transport table and only
used for mailing lists. (whatever at lists.domain.foo)

If you have some domains used by lists, and some used for normal email, what
happens if you have

        a mailinglist called    abc at lists.domain.com
        an user account called  abc at domain.com

and the list admin changes "host_name" from lists.domain.com to domain.com?

I would suspect all mail to whatever at domain.com to bounce, and mail to
abc at domain.com to be delivered to the list, instead of the user.


Am I correct? If not, is this a security issue at all?


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From thevoidzero at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 15:53:27 2005
From: thevoidzero at gmail.com (Mark van Dijk)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:53:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature end of script headers
Message-ID: <99955f5e050806065369f473ef@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I have created my own mailman installation on a system I do have root access 
on, but already hosts a mailman version and I wanted to run my own.

The group and username I created both are 'vocisml'. The cgi are not 
suexeced so every script should be ran as www-data.

I launched configure with these parameters:

./configure --prefix=/home/vocisml/install/mailman --with-groupname=vocisml 
--with-username=vocisml --with-cgi-gid=www-data

After this I ran make and make install, ofcourse.

At this point I edited my apacheconfig and mm_cfg.py

apache config:
-----
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/vocisml/install/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /home/vocisml/install/mailman/archives/public/
<Directory /home/vocisml/install/mailman/cgi-bin/>
Options +FollowSymlinks +ExecCGI
</Directory>
<Directory /home/vocisml/install/mailman/archives/public/>
Options +Indexes
</Directory>
-----

mm_cfg:
-----
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'voidzero.net <http://voidzero.net>'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'voidzero.net <http://voidzero.net>'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1
ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 0
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_VOLUME_FREQUENCY = 3
DEFAULT_DIGEST_VOLUME_FREQUENCY = 3

MTA = 'Postfix'
-----
Now it was time to edit the postfix configs:
added alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, 
hash:/home/vocisml/install/mailman/data/aliases
-----

I ran check-perms -f and all permissions are good now. I manually changed 
all of these scripts
to group www-data. When I su as user www-data and launch the file 'admin' 
for example,
all is good. When I visit http://voidzero.net/mailman/admin, or any other 
page, I now get a 500 error, with
"Premature end of script headers" in my logs. This is where I'm stuck..

I hope someone wants to help me, thanks a lot..

-- 
Greetz,

(__) Mark van Dijk, thevoidzero at gmail.com
| oo "To swing on a spiral of our divinity and
/\_| still be a human."


From cpz at tuunq.com  Sat Aug  6 18:38:38 2005
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 09:38:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 403 Forbidden Error when creating list
In-Reply-To: <20050806025902.NJHA14195.lakermmtao02.cox.net@SYSADMINREMOTE>
	from Scott Loga at "Aug 5, 2005 09:59:03 pm"
Message-ID: <20050806163838.78BC07AE@mail.tuunq.com>

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Scott Loga wrote:
> I was able to find a solution in the mailing list.  It took a quite a
> bit of digging, but I realized I had to reconfigure my apache httpd.conf
> file.  I found two versions of this solution and since I am new to
> FreeBSD,Apache and mailman I am not sure which one is correct or safe? -
> although the both versions do work.  

FWIW, on openbsd w/ mm 2.1.5 and apache2, I'm using:

    ScriptAlias /mailman/  "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
    <Directory "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/">
        AllowOverride None
        Options None
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
    </Directory>

    Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/"
    <Directory "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/">
        AllowOverride None
        Options FollowSymLinks
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
    </Directory>

and it works.

IIRC, the FolllowSymLinks was important, but I can't recall why. I think
it's to get to the private archives.

z!


From tharrington at coshar.com  Sat Aug  6 22:31:28 2005
From: tharrington at coshar.com (Todd A. Harrington)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:31:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Issues with domain name.
Message-ID: <134B0053CD5E874E9890172A45A3B2F003A399@ms11.MSE6.EXCHANGE.MS>

I have Mailman version 2.1.5p1 running on my VPS using cPanel. 

I had a user setup his lists on a test domain "testdomain.com" and then
I thought I could manually move the lists over to his real domain
"realdomain.com" once the DNS changes went through. This is where I
messed up! :(

I went to the "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists" directory then
did a "mv listname_testdomain.com/ listname_realdomain.com/"

Now when I go to:
http://realdomain.com/mailman/admin/listname_realdomain.com to modify
options, I hover over one of the menu choices, "Passwords" for instance
it points to:
http://testdomain.com/mailman/admin/listname_realdomain.com/passwords 

How can I fix this?! :( I hope it is something simple, this is on like 5
lists, same problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated!




From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Aug  6 22:51:21 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:51:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Issues with domain name.
In-Reply-To: <134B0053CD5E874E9890172A45A3B2F003A399@ms11.MSE6.EXCHANGE.MS>
References: <134B0053CD5E874E9890172A45A3B2F003A399@ms11.MSE6.EXCHANGE.MS>
Message-ID: <p0620072dbf1ad304bafe@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:31 PM -0400 2005-08-06, Todd A. Harrington wrote:

>  I have Mailman version 2.1.5p1 running on my VPS using cPanel.

	Please note the Mailman FAQ Wizard entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp>.

-- 
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temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From thevoidzero at gmail.com  Sun Aug  7 00:13:19 2005
From: thevoidzero at gmail.com (Mark van Dijk)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:13:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature end of script headers
In-Reply-To: <99955f5e050806065369f473ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99955f5e050806065369f473ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99955f5e05080615134dbe3793@mail.gmail.com>

It seemed to be suexec after all. D'oh!

Problem solved!

On 06/08/05, Mark van Dijk <thevoidzero at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have created my own mailman installation on a system I do have root 
> access on, but already hosts a mailman version and I wanted to run my own.
> 
> The group and username I created both are 'vocisml'. The cgi are not 
> suexeced so every script should be ran as www-data.
> 
> I launched configure with these parameters:
> 
> ./configure --prefix=/home/vocisml/install/mailman 
> --with-groupname=vocisml --with-username=vocisml --with-cgi-gid=www-data
> 
> After this I ran make and make install, ofcourse.
> 
> At this point I edited my apacheconfig and mm_cfg.py
> 
> apache config:
> -----
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/vocisml/install/mailman/cgi-bin/
> Alias /pipermail/ /home/vocisml/install/mailman/archives/public/
> <Directory /home/vocisml/install/mailman/cgi-bin/>
> Options +FollowSymlinks +ExecCGI
> </Directory>
> <Directory /home/vocisml/install/mailman/archives/public/>
> Options +Indexes
> </Directory>
> -----
> 
> mm_cfg:
> -----
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'voidzero.net <http://voidzero.net>'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'voidzero.net <http://voidzero.net>'
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
> DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1
> ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 0
> DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_VOLUME_FREQUENCY = 3
> DEFAULT_DIGEST_VOLUME_FREQUENCY = 3
> 
> MTA = 'Postfix'
> -----
> Now it was time to edit the postfix configs:
> added alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, 
> hash:/home/vocisml/install/mailman/data/aliases
> -----
> 
> I ran check-perms -f and all permissions are good now. I manually changed 
> all of these scripts
> to group www-data. When I su as user www-data and launch the file 'admin' 
> for example,
> all is good. When I visit http://voidzero.net/mailman/admin, or any other 
> page, I now get a 500 error, with
> "Premature end of script headers" in my logs. This is where I'm stuck..
> 
> I hope someone wants to help me, thanks a lot..
> 
> -- 
> Greetz,
> 
> (__) Mark van Dijk, thevoidzero at gmail.com
> | oo "To swing on a spiral of our divinity and
> /\_| still be a human." 




-- 
Greetz,

(__) Mark van Dijk, thevoidzero at gmail.com
| oo "To swing on a spiral of our divinity and
/\_| still be a human."


From jens at spamfreemail.de  Sun Aug  7 10:35:40 2005
From: jens at spamfreemail.de (Jens Benecke)
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 10:35:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modified postfix-to-mailman.py for
	recipient_delimiter="-", VERP questions
Message-ID: <dd4h29$jlk$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hello,

for people moving from Qmail to postfix it's common to have to set the
"recipient_delimiter" to "-" because that's QMail's default. I have a
thousand users relying on this setting and I wanted to use Mailman. For
ease of setup I used the "mailman:" transport configuration for dedicated
mailing list domains and the postfix-to-mailman.py script and saved myself
the trouble of setting up aliases and virtual settings.

However, due to Postfix's adress extensions the configuration line in
master.cf needs to be changed. I posted this in the SysCP forum at 
http://www.syscp.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12500, and here's a quick
cut&paste copy:

I have a few questions:

- Did I open any new pitfalls with the below configuration? How about bounce
detection and VERP?

- Is postfix-to-mailman.py compatible with VERP at all? AFAIU, VERP appends
a code to the return path so that it looks like
"listname-bounces+114abc2934.... at domain.com". The postfix-to-mailman.py
script seems to pipe the mail to "/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
bounces+114abc2934...", will this work? How do I find out more about how
mailman processes bounces internally?

- Does Mailman split the VERP extension automatically or does Postfix need
to do this, assuming all mail to the mailinglist domains get fed to the
"mailman:" transport anyway?

==========================================================================

What do you get? 

- Mailman with multiple domains. 
- NO "real" virtual domains - list names must all be unique. "news at domain1"
and "news at domain2" cannot coexist. 
- Dedicated domains for list. One domain (or subdomain) cannot contain both
lists and real email adresses. A possible patch is here:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=943827&group_id=103&atid=300103
- No alias files maintenance. Just insert the domains you want to use for
lists in the transport table (hash file or MySQL) and in Mailman's
"mm_cfg.py", and add the lists via "newlist". 
- VERP does not work - I think - because it uses "-" *and* relies on "+" as
the extension (recipient_delimiter). I think.
 
Here goes: 

- Install Mailman. 
 
- Configure mailman according to the comments in
"/etc/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py" - optionally, replace the transport
and relay-domains maps with mysql tables and create mysql tables
accordingly (this allows for later SysCP integration): 
Code:
 recipient_delimiter="+" 
 owner_request_special = no 
 transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailman-transport.cf 
 relay_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailman.cf 
 mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1 
   
- If you use recipient_delimiter="-", you need a wrapper script for
postfix-to-mailman.py which you must call in master.cf, which basically
re-appends the -extension to the user name. Then, in master.cf you must
call this wrapper script with ${nexthop} ${user} ${extension} as
parameters. Alternatively, patch postfix-to-mailman.py to accept two *or*
three parameters (but I don't know enough Python to do that). 
Code:
  #!/bin/bash 
   test -z "$3" || DELIM=- 
   cat | /etc/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py "$1" "$2$DELIM$3"

- Alternatively, if you use Postfix 2.2 (when released), skip the wrapper
script and replace ${user} in the master.cf maildrop line with
"${user}${extension?-}${extension}". 

======================================================================

Comments welcome!



-- 
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From jens at spamfreemail.de  Sun Aug  7 15:34:51 2005
From: jens at spamfreemail.de (Jens Benecke)
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 15:34:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modified postfix-to-mailman.py including VERP
References: <dd4h29$jlk$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <dd52j8$lq1$1@sea.gmane.org>

Jens Benecke wrote:

> - Did I open any new pitfalls with the below configuration? How about
> bounce detection and VERP?

To answer myself: bounce detection seems to work OK as long as mail servers
use "550" erros at the SMTP level and don't accept and then bounce the
mail. VERP seems to work with this patch to postfix-to-mailman.py:

--- /usr/share/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py    2005-04-14
16:18:38.000000000 +0200
+++ /etc/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py  2005-08-07 15:27:01.000000000 +0200
@@ -116,6 +116,15 @@
     # Assume normal posting to a mailing list
     mlist, func = local, 'post'

+    # !-! enable VERP delivery -- Jens Benecke, jens-syscp at
spamfreemail.de, 2005-08-06
+    import re
+    ro = re.match('(?P<mlist>.*?)-(?P<func>(bounces
confirm))\+(?P<verpstr>.*)', local)
+    if ro:
+        mlist = ro.group('mlist')
+       verpstr = ro.group('verpstr')
+        func = ro.group('func')
+    # !-! end
+
     # Check for control extension on local part
     for ext in ('-admin',
                 '-owner',

This assumes that Mailman extracts the Return-Path and VERP code from within
the email and does not need the VERP code on the command line. I haven't
found any API description of how mailman handles this internally,
unfortunately.

Thanks to Jim7J1AJH on #mailman for a lot of Python and regexp help. :-)


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From mamandel at ldc.upenn.edu  Mon Aug  8 17:59:33 2005
From: mamandel at ldc.upenn.edu (Mark A. Mandel)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:59:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting a message
Message-ID: <20050808115850.S73877@lorax.ldc.upenn.edu>

How can I delete a message from the archives of a list that I am the owner 
of? I'm not a sysadmin for the system.

-- Mark A. Mandel
    Linguistic Data Consortium, University of Pennsylvania



From forrie at forrie.com  Mon Aug  8 19:18:51 2005
From: forrie at forrie.com (Forrest Aldrich)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:18:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NNTP errors
In-Reply-To: <46E27DFA-269C-4CFE-B38E-AA4CA1AFA127@onjapan.net>
References: <42F3A6CB.8090906@forrie.com>
	<46E27DFA-269C-4CFE-B38E-AA4CA1AFA127@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <42F793FB.5080101@forrie.com>

I made these changes and it seemed okay - until this morning where I 
started getting these errors again:

Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366): Traceback (most recent call last):
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):   File 
"/opt/m1/mailman-1.0/cron/gate_news", line 284, in ?
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):      main()
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):   File 
"/opt/m1/mailman-1.0/cron/gate_news", line 264, in main
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):      process_lists(lock)
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):   File 
"/opt/m1/mailman-1.0/cron/gate_news", line 208, in process_lists
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):      conn, first, last = 
open_newsgroup(mlist)
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):   File 
"/opt/m1/mailman-1.0/cron/gate_news", line 103, in open_newsgroup
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):      password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD)
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):   File 
"/usr/local/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py", line 150, in __init__
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):      resp = 
self.shortcmd('authinfo user '+user)
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):   File 
"/usr/local/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py", line 260, in shortcmd
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):      return self.getresp()
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):   File 
"/usr/local/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py", line 215, in getresp
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):      resp = self.getline()
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):   File 
"/usr/local/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py", line 207, in getline
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):      if not line: raise EOFError
Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366): EOFError



Jim Tittsler wrote:

> On Aug 6, 2005, at 02:50, Forrest Aldrich wrote:
>
>>   Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):      self.welcome =
>>     self.shortcmd('mode reader')
>>     Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):   File
>>     "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py", line 2
>>     60, in shortcmd
>>     Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):      return self.getresp()
>>     Aug 03 01:05:01 2005 gate_news(16582):   File
>>     "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py", line 2
>>     15, in getresp
>
>
> It looks like your news server doesn't respond to the 'mode reader'  
> command.  Try changing 'readermode=True' to 'readermode=False' in the  
> nntplib.NNTP() call of cron/gate_news.
>
> (If that makes this error go away, I would expect you would also need  
> to change it in Mailman/Queue/NewsRunner.py.)
>


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Aug  8 19:35:44 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:35:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting a message
In-Reply-To: <20050808115850.S73877@lorax.ldc.upenn.edu>
References: <20050808115850.S73877@lorax.ldc.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <p06200737bf1d48533a4e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:59 AM -0400 2005-08-08, Mark A. Mandel wrote:

>  How can I delete a message from the archives of a list that I am the owner
>  of? I'm not a sysadmin for the system.

	Get one of the priviledged site administrators (they don't need 
to be root), to follow the procedures in 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From MHenry at ceucleveland.uscg.mil  Mon Aug  8 19:49:37 2005
From: MHenry at ceucleveland.uscg.mil (Henry, Michael )
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:49:37 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Viewable Member Names
Message-ID: <3FCDB778965DD811BBDC00065BFD1B4B022B31CC@MSXCLEVELAND01>

We recently started using Mailman.  I'd like to incorporate viewable
subscriber names next to their email address on the list view page, so that
our members will know who's each email address belongs to.  I'm also
interested in creating sublist, so to speak, from the main list to provide
smaller list groups so that we can communicate with more focused groups of
members.  I have a Board of Directors, Regional Coordinators, General
Officers, etc.  If I have sublist or whatever they would be called, then my
membership only needs to track a few email addresses for communication with
the various groups vice the 100+ emails we currently have.  I'll follow this
by saying I'm not a technically oriented person when it comes to computer
programming and such, but generally find your product extremely end user
friendly.  Maybe Mailman can already do this and I just haven't figured it
out.

Thanks

Michael Henry
U.S. Coast Guard Pipe Band
Web Sargeant



From tiagocruz at forumgdh.net  Mon Aug  8 20:53:11 2005
From: tiagocruz at forumgdh.net (Tiago Cruz)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:53:11 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual-mailman don't upgrade
Message-ID: <42F7AA17.7020404@forumgdh.net>

Hi guys!

In the last week, in some test, I make the virtual-mailman upgrade via 
web interface, and my virtual mailing called suporte at domain works.

But, after I use rmlist and re-create the list, the file virtual-mailman 
dont was upgrated (only virtual-mailman.db) and my list don't work.

Servers: FreeBSD+Mailman+Postfix+Apache

Somebody can help-me?
Thanks a lot!


From jane.hermanson at canarie.ca  Mon Aug  8 22:09:52 2005
From: jane.hermanson at canarie.ca (Jane Hermanson)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:09:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with editing listinfo page
Message-ID: <006601c59c55$23f30710$b0df9d18@cr685350a>

Hello

I made an error creating a list and would like to delete it or atleast edit
the listinfo page so the list error link does not show.  I have read much
documentation and have tried what is suggested and searched for the html
page but to no avail.

Any advice great appreciated.

Regards

Jane

Jane Hermanson
Manager, Information Systems
Jane.Hermanson at canarie.ca
Phone: 613-943-5372
Fax: 613-943-5443
http://www.canarie.ca
 



From scott at zenplex.com  Mon Aug  8 22:33:57 2005
From: scott at zenplex.com (Scott Comboni)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:33:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] the Apache2 web interface for Mailman has not been
	activated!
Message-ID: <1123533237.21228.290.camel@bigtoy.zenplex.com>

I have used mailman for many years with RedHat and recently decided to
move to SUSE Linux 9.3 some testing.  I cannot seem to find an answer to
this problem so I figured I would try the list.  

I cannot start mailman rcmailman start 
without getting this error..

Error:
Starting mailman (Warning: the Apache2 webinterface for Mailman has not
been activated!)Site list is missing: mailman

I made a change to /etc/sysconfig/apache2 to load
the /etc/apache2/conf.d/mailman.conf still no luck

Any info would be greatly appreciated Thanks Scott




From mathieu.boretti at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 22:51:42 2005
From: mathieu.boretti at gmail.com (Mathieu Boretti)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:51:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scrub_nondigest per user
Message-ID: <e0f970ee36847f43970e13456bddd01a@gmail.com>

Hi,

	I like to use the option "scrub_nondigest", but I can only set the  
option "globally" for all members of a list.

	Is a patch available to use this option as "user option" ?
	
Thanks you,
Mathieu Boretti
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Assistant Ecole d'Ing?nieurs de Gen?ve
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tel : 021/963.55.80 (priv?), 022/338.06.20 (pro) ou 079/379.43.00



From flakrat at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  8 23:31:24 2005
From: flakrat at yahoo.com (Mike Hanby)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:31:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error when sending to test-subscribe
Message-ID: <20050808213138.26AE41E4005@bag.python.org>

Howdy, I'm have the following setup:

      Postfix:    2.2.3

      Mailman:    2.1.6

 

THE PROBLEM:

      Here's the error I see in my /var/log/maillog after sending a mail to
test-subscribe at mydomain.com

 

to=<test-subscribe at mydomain.com>, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced
(Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
test". Command output: /usr/bin/python: can't open file
'/usr/local/mailman/scripts/subscribe' )

 

      I looked in /usr/local/mailman/scripts and sure enough that script
isn't there!

      

 

MY CONFIGURATION:

I installed from source using the configure command:

      ./configure --with-mail-gid=nogroup

 

Based on one of the Postfix install guides, I have these settings in my
/etc/aliases file (and in the aliases.db created by ./bin/genaliases)

      test:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test"

test-admin:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin test"

test-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test"

test-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test"

test-join:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join test"

test-leave:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave test"

test-owner:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner test"

test-request:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request test"

test-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test"

test-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test"

 



From cpz at tuunq.com  Tue Aug  9 00:16:31 2005
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:16:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] the Apache2 web interface for Mailman has not
 been activated!
In-Reply-To: <1123533237.21228.290.camel@bigtoy.zenplex.com> from Scott Comboni
	at "Aug 8, 2005 04:33:57 pm"
Message-ID: <20050808221631.C39437AE@mail.tuunq.com>

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Scott Comboni wrote:

> I cannot start mailman rcmailman start 
> without getting this error..
> 
> Error:
> Starting mailman (Warning: the Apache2 webinterface for Mailman has not
> been activated!)Site list is missing: mailman

Did you see FAQ 5.5? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.005.htp
You can do a faq search at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py.

z!


From jwt at OnJapan.net  Tue Aug  9 00:39:25 2005
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:39:25 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NNTP errors
In-Reply-To: <42F793FB.5080101@forrie.com>
References: <42F3A6CB.8090906@forrie.com>
	<46E27DFA-269C-4CFE-B38E-AA4CA1AFA127@onjapan.net>
	<42F793FB.5080101@forrie.com>
Message-ID: <20050808223925.GA28608@server.onjapan.net>

On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 01:18:51PM -0400, Forrest Aldrich wrote:
> I made these changes and it seemed okay - until this morning where I 
> started getting these errors again:

Again?  (This is not the same error as the one you asked about
on the 6th.)

> "/opt/m1/mailman-1.0/cron/gate_news", line 103, in open_newsgroup
> Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):      password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD)
> Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):   File 
> "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py", line 150, in __init__
> Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):      resp = 
> self.shortcmd('authinfo user '+user)
> Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):   File 
> "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py", line 260, in shortcmd
> Aug 08 03:35:00 2005 gate_news(5366):      return self.getresp()

It looks like you have defined an NNTP_USERNAME in your mm_cfg.py
but your news server is not responding after Mailman (via
Python's nntplib) sends the 'authinfo user '+user command to
start logging in.

-- 
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Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman


From jwt at OnJapan.net  Tue Aug  9 00:49:33 2005
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:49:33 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error when sending to test-subscribe
In-Reply-To: <20050808213138.26AE41E4005@bag.python.org>
References: <20050808213138.26AE41E4005@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <20050808224932.GB28608@server.onjapan.net>

On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 04:31:24PM -0500, Mike Hanby wrote:
> to=<test-subscribe at mydomain.com>, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced
> (Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
> test". Command output: /usr/bin/python: can't open file
> '/usr/local/mailman/scripts/subscribe' )
>
>       I looked in /usr/local/mailman/scripts and sure enough that script
> isn't there!

It should be.  :-)

> MY CONFIGURATION:
> 
> I installed from source using the configure command:
> 
>       ./configure --with-mail-gid=nogroup

And then did 'make', and then as root 'make install'?

It looks like your installation isn't complete or the
/usr/local/mailman/scripts/subscribe file would exist.

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From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Aug  9 02:19:50 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:19:50 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with editing listinfo page
In-Reply-To: <006601c59c55$23f30710$b0df9d18@cr685350a>
References: <006601c59c55$23f30710$b0df9d18@cr685350a>
Message-ID: <0641C158-2FDB-48AB-9B16-D58AF4B02D7F@onjapan.net>

On Aug 9, 2005, at 05:09, Jane Hermanson wrote:

> I made an error creating a list and would like to delete it or  
> atleast edit
> the listinfo page so the list error link does not show.  I have  
> read much
> documentation and have tried what is suggested and searched for the  
> html
> page but to no avail.

If your site administrator has set OWNERS_CAN_DELETE_THEIR_OWN_LISTS  
= Yes then there should be a "Delete this mailing list" option under  
the "Other Administrative Activities" section at the top right of the  
list's admin web pages.

The site administrator can also remove the list from the command line  
using the bin/rmlist command.


-- 
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From sean at adoptionmedia.com  Tue Aug  9 02:31:01 2005
From: sean at adoptionmedia.com (Sean Roe)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:31:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange error
Message-ID: <42F7F945.9040709@adoptionmedia.com>

Hi All,

I am running a once a week announce list with a ton of subscribers (like 
120K) and every once in a while during the processing I get this error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main
    qrunner.run()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 87, in run
    self._cleanup()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 134, in 
_cleanup
    BounceMixin._cleanup(self)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 132, in 
_cleanup
    self._register_bounces()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 120, in 
_register_bounces
    mlist.registerBounce(addr, msg, day=day)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 108, in registerBounce
    info = self.getBounceInfo(member)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MysqlMemberships.py", line 530, in 
getBounceInfo
    row[2], row[0])
TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 5 arguments (6 given)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main
    qrunner.run()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 87, in run
    self._cleanup()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 220, in 
_cleanup
    BounceMixin._cleanup(self)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 132, in 
_cleanup
    self._register_bounces()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 120, in 
_register_bounces
    mlist.registerBounce(addr, msg, day=day)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 108, in registerBounce
    info = self.getBounceInfo(member)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MysqlMemberships.py", line 530, in 
getBounceInfo
    row[2], row[0])
TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 5 arguments (6 given)


What does it mean?  BTW, I am using the mysql drop in. 

Thanks,
Sean


From scott at zenplex.com  Tue Aug  9 03:33:35 2005
From: scott at zenplex.com (scott at zenplex.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:33:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] the Apache2 web interface for Mailman has not
	been activated!
In-Reply-To: <20050808221631.C39437AE@mail.tuunq.com>
References: <1123533237.21228.290.camel@bigtoy.zenplex.com> from Scott Comboni
	at "Aug 8, 2005 04:33:57 pm"
	<20050808221631.C39437AE@mail.tuunq.com>
Message-ID: <51581.69.118.55.88.1123551215.squirrel@mail.zenplex.com>

I read these and tried them no luck.  Also after I create the mailman list
or any list for that matter I do not get a dump to copy into my aliases
file as I do on other installs of Mailman.
Thanks Scott

> In a flurry of recycled electrons, Scott Comboni wrote:
>
>> I cannot start mailman rcmailman start
>> without getting this error..
>>
>> Error:
>> Starting mailman (Warning: the Apache2 webinterface for Mailman has
>> not been activated!)Site list is missing: mailman
>
> Did you see FAQ 5.5?
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.005.htp
> You can do a faq search at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py.
>
> z!





From raphael.bossek at gmx.de  Tue Aug  9 07:48:26 2005
From: raphael.bossek at gmx.de (Raphael Bossek)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:48:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] arch does consider configuration changes for old
	posts
Message-ID: <20050809074826.5bdb4b1a.raphael.bossek@gmx.de>

Hi,

I felt in the same problem with multipart/alternative-mime headers
as described last month. After changed my configuration (which works
with new postings) I've started bin/arch to rebuild the HTML mail
archive to appy the new configuration for old messages too. But they
are not applied for old postings :(
Old messages are as there were before the configuration change.

Does arch not consider configuration changes for old posts? Or did
I something wrong? I'm running mailman 2.1.5

-- 
Raphael Bossek


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Aug  9 09:40:48 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:40:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] arch does consider configuration changes for
 old posts
In-Reply-To: <20050809074826.5bdb4b1a.raphael.bossek@gmx.de>
References: <20050809074826.5bdb4b1a.raphael.bossek@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <p06200740bf1e0e56a347@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:48 AM +0200 2005-08-09, Raphael Bossek wrote:

>  Does arch not consider configuration changes for old posts? Or did
>  I something wrong? I'm running mailman 2.1.5

	Did you do an "arch --wipe" (or whatever it is), so as to 
completely wipe out the previous archive and start over again with 
the new configuration?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From webmaster at travel-in-spain.com  Tue Aug  9 10:51:32 2005
From: webmaster at travel-in-spain.com (Travel in Spain)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:51:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add the users' email adress in the footer
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20050809104804.01f08f20@217.116.3.9>

I am using Mailman 2.1.5 and have enabled VERP. I am looking for a solution 
to add the subscribers' email adress in the footer of my emails. Any idea 
of the variable I can use? (such as %(real_name)s mailing list 
%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s ... but for the email adress !)


From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Aug  9 12:58:00 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:58:00 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add the users' email adress in the footer
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20050809104804.01f08f20@217.116.3.9>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20050809104804.01f08f20@217.116.3.9>
Message-ID: <78B7991D-697E-40FA-A522-67B4C169A830@onjapan.net>

On Aug 9, 2005, at 17:51, Travel in Spain wrote:

> I am using Mailman 2.1.5 and have enabled VERP. I am looking for a  
> solution
> to add the subscribers' email adress in the footer of my emails.  
> Any idea
> of the variable I can use? (such as %(real_name)s mailing list
> %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s ... but for the email adress !)

If you set OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes in your mm_cfg.py,  
the non-digest options page will allow you to enable personalization  
for your list.  If you check the help for msg_header or msg_footer in  
that case, you will see you can use %(user_address)s or % 
(user_delivered_to) to get the user's email address in all lower case  
or case preserved form.  The %(user_optionsurl)s value to get a URL  
pointing directly to the subscriber's options/unsubscribe page can be  
very useful for subscribers not used to mailing lists.

This isn't directly related to VERP... but if you are already doing  
VERP in Mailman, the added impact of enabling list personalization is  
small.

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From raphael.bossek at gmx.de  Tue Aug  9 13:38:09 2005
From: raphael.bossek at gmx.de (Raphael Bossek)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:38:09 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?arch_does_consider_configuration_c?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?hanges_for_old_=09posts?=
References: <p06200740bf1e0e56a347@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <19876.1123587489@www20.gmx.net>

> At 7:48 AM +0200 2005-08-09, Raphael Bossek wrote:
> 
> >  Does arch not consider configuration changes for old posts? Or did
> >  I something wrong? I'm running mailman 2.1.5
> 
> 	Did you do an "arch --wipe" (or whatever it is), so as to 
> completely wipe out the previous archive and start over again with 
> the new configuration?
Yes I did. I've checked also if the HTML files gone.

I'm a little bit disapointed because I tried to investigate the problem
myself before writting here :( But it's not easy to follow the code and
determine when the GLOBAL_PIPELINE (Defaults.py) definitions are executed.

The MimeDel implementation (part of GLOBAL_PIPELINE) is responsible for
it. Setting debug output in did not shouw it will be run using `arch 
--wipe`.
Where to continue?

--
Raphael Bossek

-- 
GMX DSL = Maximale Leistung zum minimalen Preis!
2000 MB nur 2,99, Flatrate ab 4,99 Euro/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl


From jean-philippe.giola at st.com  Tue Aug  9 15:54:56 2005
From: jean-philippe.giola at st.com (Jean-Philippe GIOLA)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:54:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachment files
Message-ID: <42F8B5B0.30800@st.com>

Hi all!!

I would like to know, when a mail is sent to a list with a file in 
attachment, how mailman store it in the archives ?
i-e the directory name where the attach file is store is a random name ? 
(in 
archives/private/list_name/attachments/date/_*directory_name*_/file_name)

reguards



From richard.hobbs at crl.toshiba.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 16:37:42 2005
From: richard.hobbs at crl.toshiba.co.uk (Richard Hobbs)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:37:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect mail being received on mailman list
Message-ID: <20050809143750.D45EA1E4004@bag.python.org>

Hello,

We have routers setup in exim, in the following order:

 - mailman_router:
 - dnslookup:
 - system_aliases:
 - userforward:
 - spam_router:
 - localuser:

Lets say our domain is "domain.com" and we have one mailing list named
"fred".

When emails are sent through exim to the address "fred at somewhere.else.com",
they are actually accepted by mailman and delivered to "fred at domain.com".
This is obviously incorrect.

Should mailman be reconfigured to only accept mail for particular domains,
or do I have the routers in a non-perfect order?

Any advice is very much appreciated :-)

Thanks in advance,
Richard.

-- 
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Toshiba Research Europe Ltd. - Speech Technology Group
Web: http://www.toshiba-europe.com/research/
Email: richard.hobbs at crl.toshiba.co.uk
Tel: +44 1223 376964        Mobile: +44 7811 803377



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From tdeboer at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 17:30:24 2005
From: tdeboer at gmail.com (Tim DeBoer)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:30:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms errors
Message-ID: <f5fb660050809083070821d5d@mail.gmail.com>

I've managed to get my web interface to mailman working, but... when I
run check_perms I see all this.
# bin/check_perms
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 380, in ?
    checkall()
  File "bin/check_perms", line 196, in checkall
    os.path.walk(d, checkwalk, STATE)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/posixpath.py", line 290, in walk
    walk(name, func, arg)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/posixpath.py", line 282, in walk
    func(arg, top, names)
  File "bin/check_perms", line 110, in checkwalk
    mode, gid = statgidmode(path)
  File "bin/check_perms", line 83, in statgidmode
    stat = os.stat(path)
OSError: [Errno 62] Too many levels of symbolic links:
'/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/mailman'

Also, when I try to actually send an email to my list, I get this in my maillog
Aug  9 10:27:05 chad Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. 
Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group
"mailnull", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as
group "mailman".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as
group "mailnull", or re-run configure,  providing the command line
option `--with-mail-gid=mailman'.
Aug  9 10:27:05 chad postfix/local[95804]: 878207AB672:
to=<timlist at chad.bytz.net>, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced
(Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
timlist". Command output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the
mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailnull", but the
system's mail server executed the mail script as group "mailman".  Try
tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailnull", or
re-run configure,  providing the command line option
`--with-mail-gid=mailman'. )

I think I understand what it's telling me to do here, I just don't
know where to change it. Should I make 'mailnull' group part of my
"mail" group which also includes my postfix user?

Thanks folks!

-- 
Tim DeBoer

Just once, I'd like it if someone called me "Sir".
Without adding "You're creating a scene".


From jdennis at redhat.com  Tue Aug  9 17:59:53 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:59:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms errors
In-Reply-To: <f5fb660050809083070821d5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f5fb660050809083070821d5d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1123603193.28733.7.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 09:30 -0600, Tim DeBoer wrote:
> timlist". Command output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the
> mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailnull", but the
> system's mail server executed the mail script as group "mailman".  Try
> tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailnull", or
> re-run configure,  providing the command line option
> `--with-mail-gid=mailman'. )
> 
> I think I understand what it's telling me to do here, I just don't
> know where to change it. Should I make 'mailnull' group part of my
> "mail" group which also includes my postfix user?

No, you don't want to be changing group membership. You should do what
its telling you:

This assumes you built and installed mailman yourself, if you didn't you
can't perform this step.

cd to the mailman source root
./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman
make
make install

Don't forget to add any other configure options you used previously.
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Aug  9 18:09:06 2005
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:09:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect mail being received on mailman list
In-Reply-To: <20050809143750.D45EA1E4004@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <BF1E2332.72F5%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 8/9/05 7:37 AM, "Richard Hobbs" <richard.hobbs at crl.toshiba.co.uk> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> We have routers setup in exim, in the following order:
> 
>  - mailman_router:
>  - dnslookup:
>  - system_aliases:
>  - userforward:
>  - spam_router:
>  - localuser:
> 
> Lets say our domain is "domain.com" and we have one mailing list named
> "fred".
> 
> When emails are sent through exim to the address "fred at somewhere.else.com",
> they are actually accepted by mailman and delivered to "fred at domain.com".
> This is obviously incorrect.
> 
> Should mailman be reconfigured to only accept mail for particular domains,
> or do I have the routers in a non-perfect order?
> 
> Any advice is very much appreciated :-)

You have the routers out of order.

You don't want to be doing "local" aliasing while messages for the world are
still being considered by the routers.  mailman_router after dnslookup
should do the trick, given your router list above.

  --John (just bitten by a much more obscure version of the problem on one
of our non-public machines)




From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Aug  9 18:15:09 2005
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:15:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect mail being received on mailman list
In-Reply-To: <20050809143750.D45EA1E4004@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <BF1E249D.7305%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 8/9/05 7:37 AM, "Richard Hobbs" <richard.hobbs at crl.toshiba.co.uk> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> We have routers setup in exim, in the following order:
> 
>  - mailman_router:
>  - dnslookup:
>  - system_aliases:
>  - userforward:
>  - spam_router:
>  - localuser:
> 
> Lets say our domain is "domain.com" and we have one mailing list named
> "fred".
> 
> When emails are sent through exim to the address "fred at somewhere.else.com",
> they are actually accepted by mailman and delivered to "fred at domain.com".
> This is obviously incorrect.
> 
> Should mailman be reconfigured to only accept mail for particular domains,
> or do I have the routers in a non-perfect order?
> 
> Any advice is very much appreciated :-)

There are more complete answers on the Exim-users list, which I happened to
read after Mailman-users this morning.  I would still reorder the routers as
below, but the mailman_router should also select for only the domains which
contain lists.  See exim-users.

You have the routers out of order.

You don't want to be doing "local" aliasing while messages for the world are
still being considered by the routers.  mailman_router after dnslookup
should do the trick, given your router list above.

  --John (just bitten by a much more obscure version of the problem on one
of our non-public machines)




From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Tue Aug  9 18:31:56 2005
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:31:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can our MM site admin see unadvertised lists
	via web interface?
Message-ID: <200508091631.j79GVuU5002928@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

If I am the site Mailman admin for my Mailman site, using the web interface, how 
can I see the lists of all my site's lists, including the unadvertised lists? 

I find that if I go to the MM admin page for my site, it says, "There currently 
are no publicly-advertised Mailman  mailing lists on mysite.jhu.edu.  To visit 
the administrators configuration page for an unadvertised list, open a URL 
similar to this one, but with a '/' and the list name appended."

However, there is at least one list on the site, but it is set not to 
'advertise'.  As the site admin, I can log into this specific unadvertised list 
from the web and make changes.

But, I have to know ahead of time that this list is actually on our MM server.  

So, as site admin, how can I use the web interface to see the entire set of 
lists, advertised and unadvertised, on my MM server via the web, so that I know 
what lists I have to choose from?  I thought I used to be able to do this on an 
old install of Mailman we used to have, but I can't seem to find any docs or FAQ 
entries that describe how to do it.

(I know I can get the list of all MM mail lists at the command line, but if I'm 
working remotely via the web, I'd like not to have to log into the MM server 
machine at a command prompt and have to run the MM commands just to see all the 
lists on our server.)

Thank in advance!

Steve



From tiagocruz at forumgdh.net  Tue Aug  9 20:02:16 2005
From: tiagocruz at forumgdh.net (Tiago Cruz)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:02:16 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Reply to all" with original destination and list
	destination
Message-ID: <42F8EFA8.6080604@forumgdh.net>

Hello all!

I see reply_goes_to_list parameter, and I like of "This list" because a 
simple "reply" send e-mail always do list.

But, when user is not part of list, the "Reply to all" don't works... 
the new message is formated only to list...

Have a way to fix this?

Thanks a lot!


From chris.mueller at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 20:52:10 2005
From: chris.mueller at gmail.com (Chris Mueller)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:52:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature End of Script Headers (permissions error?)
Message-ID: <874c0d4405080911527c51e9f3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm farily new to Linux administration, but my employer has just asked
me to set up some mailing lists. As Mailman seems like a popular and
robust piece of software, I decided to give it a try.

I have performed the installation of Mailman (on Redhat), but continue
to receive 500 Internal Server Errors when I try to access anything in
the Mailman cgi-bin, e.g. localhost/mailman/create. The Apache logs
show two errors: "(13) Permission denied: exec of
'/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create' failed." and "Premature end of
script headers: create."

I'm guessing that these errors are coming from a permissions problem
somewhere. I've tried reconfiguring Mailman with several cgi-gid's
(nobody, apache, mailman, www), but none of these group names changes
the error at all. What group should I be using, or how do I determine
what group I should use?

Thanks,
Chris


From jdennis at redhat.com  Tue Aug  9 21:14:50 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:14:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature End of Script Headers
	(permissions	error?)
In-Reply-To: <874c0d4405080911527c51e9f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <874c0d4405080911527c51e9f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1123614890.28733.115.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 14:52 -0400, Chris Mueller wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm farily new to Linux administration, but my employer has just asked
> me to set up some mailing lists. As Mailman seems like a popular and
> robust piece of software, I decided to give it a try.
> 
> I have performed the installation of Mailman (on Redhat), but continue
> to receive 500 Internal Server Errors when I try to access anything in
> the Mailman cgi-bin, e.g. localhost/mailman/create. The Apache logs
> show two errors: "(13) Permission denied: exec of
> '/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create' failed." and "Premature end of
> script headers: create."

I think the path of least resistance is to install the pre-built mailman
rpm from Red Hat rather than trying to perform every piece of obscure
configuration yourself. The rpm package is designed to integrate with
existing Red Hat packages and configuration. If you do start with the
rpm it won't mean you'll be free from any configuration issues but
you'll avoid a number of headaches. If you do go this route please be
sure to follow the instructions
in /usr/share/doc/mailman-*/INSTALL.REDHAT.
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From flakrat at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  9 21:24:47 2005
From: flakrat at yahoo.com (Mike Hanby)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:24:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error when sending to test-subscribe
In-Reply-To: <20050808224932.GB28608@server.onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <20050809192456.A67911E4007@bag.python.org>

Ok, I reinstalled, here are the steps that I followed (btw I'm using
Slackware 10).

As root, I created the mailman user and mailman group.  I have mailman
temporarily set up to allow shell access (so I can install as mailman).

# cd /usr/local
# tar -zxvf ./mailman-2.1.6.tgz
# chgrp -R mailman ./mailman-2.1.6
# chmod -R a+rx,g+ws ./mailman-2.1.6
# ln -s ./mailman-2.1.6 ./mailman
# ls -ld ./mailman*
	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2005-08-09 11:51 mailman ->
./mailman-2.1.6/
	drwxrwsrwx 13 joeblow mailman 976 2005-08-09 11:50 mailman-2.1.6/
# su - mailman

% cd /usr/local/mailman
% ./configure --with-mail-gid=nogroup
% make install > ./mailman-install.log 2>&1
	( According to mailman-install.txt you don't need to run make by
itself, and they say to run make install as non root)

I still don't see the ./scripts/subscribe script.

Here's what's in that /usr/local/mailman/scripts
	Makefile
	Makefile.in*
	bounces*
	confirm*
	driver*
	join*
	leave*
	mailman*
	owner*
	paths.py
	paths.pyc
	post*
	request*

Any suggestions?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:jwt at OnJapan.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 17:50
To: Mike Hanby
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error when sending to test-subscribe

On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 04:31:24PM -0500, Mike Hanby wrote:
> to=<test-subscribe at mydomain.com>, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced
> (Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
> test". Command output: /usr/bin/python: can't open file
> '/usr/local/mailman/scripts/subscribe' )
>
>       I looked in /usr/local/mailman/scripts and sure enough that script
> isn't there!

It should be.  :-)

> MY CONFIGURATION:
> 
> I installed from source using the configure command:
> 
>       ./configure --with-mail-gid=nogroup

And then did 'make', and then as root 'make install'?

It looks like your installation isn't complete or the
/usr/local/mailman/scripts/subscribe file would exist.

-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From jdennis at redhat.com  Tue Aug  9 22:11:58 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:11:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error when sending to test-subscribe
In-Reply-To: <20050809192456.A67911E4007@bag.python.org>
References: <20050809192456.A67911E4007@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <1123618318.29111.34.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 14:24 -0500, Mike Hanby wrote:
> Ok, I reinstalled, here are the steps that I followed (btw I'm using
> Slackware 10).
> 
> As root, I created the mailman user and mailman group.  I have mailman
> temporarily set up to allow shell access (so I can install as mailman).

You do not need to be mailman to install mailman, to install mailman you
should be root. The mailman user and group will need to exist prior to
installation so that the installed components can be assigned that
identity.

> # cd /usr/local
> # tar -zxvf ./mailman-2.1.6.tgz
> # chgrp -R mailman ./mailman-2.1.6
> # chmod -R a+rx,g+ws ./mailman-2.1.6
> # ln -s ./mailman-2.1.6 ./mailman
> # su - mailman

None of this is necessary (except for untaring)

> % cd /usr/local/mailman
> % ./configure --with-mail-gid=nogroup
> % make install > ./mailman-install.log 2>&1

ouch. you're building in the install area before you've installed,
sounds like a recipe for disaster. :-) You've also installed as the user
mailman, not root.

Think of your build area as a "staging area" that is used to construct
what will be placed into the the install area by the root user. By
trying to point the install at your build you're going to step all over
what you've built as it installs. It's equivalent to trying to copy a
file onto itself :-(

> I still don't see the ./scripts/subscribe script.

The subscribe script is just a copy of the join script (unsubscribe is a
copy of leave). The part of install that copied the existing scripts
worked, the part that installed copies of join and leave did not. I'm
not sure why that part of the install failed but installing into the
build area and not being root during the install are likely culprits.
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Aug  9 21:12:14 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:12:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can our MM site admin see unadvertised
 lists via web interface?
In-Reply-To: <200508091631.j79GVuU5002928@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
References: <200508091631.j79GVuU5002928@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <p06200747bf1eb00e8aab@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:31 PM -0400 2005-08-09, Steve Rifkin wrote:

>  If I am the site Mailman admin for my Mailman site, using the web
>  interface, how can I see the lists of all my site's lists, including
>  the unadvertised lists?

	Via the web interface?  You don't.  The web interface only shows 
the public lists.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Aug  9 21:15:56 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:15:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Reply to all" with original destination and
 list destination
In-Reply-To: <42F8EFA8.6080604@forumgdh.net>
References: <42F8EFA8.6080604@forumgdh.net>
Message-ID: <p06200748bf1eb118c8f8@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:02 PM -0300 2005-08-09, Tiago Cruz wrote:

>  But, when user is not part of list, the "Reply to all" don't works...
>  the new message is formated only to list...
>
>  Have a way to fix this?

	Did you check the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From jdennis at redhat.com  Tue Aug  9 22:30:25 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:30:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error when sending to test-subscribe
In-Reply-To: <1123618318.29111.34.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>
References: <20050809192456.A67911E4007@bag.python.org>
	<1123618318.29111.34.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1123619425.29111.45.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 16:11 -0400, John Dennis wrote:
> ouch. you're building in the install area before you've installed,

This probably was not clear because I omitted an important but somewhat 
hidden fact, /usr/local/mailman is the default installation directory.

Had you typed "./configure --help" you would have seen this:

Installation directories:
  --prefix=PREFIX         install architecture-independent files in PREFIX
                          [/usr/local/mailman]

You could override the prefix or have picked another build area, but the
two should not be identical because they will collide.
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Wed Aug 10 00:35:37 2005
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:35:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can our MM site admin see unadvertised
	lists via web interface?
Message-ID: <200508092235.j79MZbU5012351@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

Even to the site admins?  Was it always like that?  I was chatting with another 
admin here today, and for some reason, we seem to remember the site admin being 
able to see all lists via the web interface... mind you, that's when we were 
running MM about 2-3 years ago, and we just might be remembering something else.

(We haven't run MM for a while now but are restarting the service and are trying 
to catch up.) 

Is there a reason why the design of Mailman doesn't allow for the web interface 
to display _all_ lists for a Mailman site admin only?  I would think that would 
be a good feature to have, in that, if I wanted to configure lists remotely as 
the site admin (as opposed to a list admin), I'd want to see the names of all 
the lists, advertised or not.

Thanks for your reply.

Steve

Brad Knowles wrote:

>
>	Via the web interface?  You don't.  The web interface only shows 
>the public lists.




From hendry at iki.fi  Wed Aug 10 05:53:20 2005
From: hendry at iki.fi (Kai Hendry)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:53:20 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search and import
Message-ID: <20050810035319.GB22315@iki.fi>

Is there some general faq about making mailman archives searchable? I.e.
usable.



I have a bunch of emails from another system that I wish to import to mailman.

I don't think I have access to mailman directly as my hosting company
set it up for me. So any tips of how I send these mails and maintain the
date?

frodo$ grep Date: 07db3d2dcd9e7a11e06cb2f5b1ec4c84
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:05:46 +1000


From tom at clocktech.com  Wed Aug 10 06:23:30 2005
From: tom at clocktech.com (Tom Chaudoir)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:23:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search and import
References: <20050810035319.GB22315@iki.fi>
Message-ID: <001901c59d63$46e282a0$20a21941@wi.rr.com>

Wow. Great question. I'm new here and would love to know how
to add archives from my old list server to the Mailman
database.

My archive became searchable without my doing anything.
Google crawled it all by itself. Try copying the url of your
archive. Go to Google's advanced search. Look for a search
term in that url.

If it works, you can easily build a form that uses Google to
search your archive.

Best,
Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kai Hendry" <hendry at iki.fi>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 10:53 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search and import


| Is there some general faq about making mailman archives
searchable? I.e.
| usable.
|
|
|
| I have a bunch of emails from another system that I wish
to import to mailman.
|
| I don't think I have access to mailman directly as my
hosting company
| set it up for me. So any tips of how I send these mails
and maintain the
| date?
|
| frodo$ grep Date: 07db3d2dcd9e7a11e06cb2f5b1ec4c84
| Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:05:46 +1000
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|
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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Aug 10 11:26:52 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:26:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can our MM site admin see unadvertised
 lists via web interface?
In-Reply-To: <200508092235.j79MZbU5012351@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
References: <200508092235.j79MZbU5012351@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <p0620074dbf1f782e7265@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:35 PM -0400 2005-08-09, Steve Rifkin wrote:

>  Even to the site admins?  Was it always like that?

	So far as I know, yes.  The problem is that there is no private 
authenticated admin page.  Anyone can go to the admin interface page, 
but you can't do anything from that page unless you've got the site 
or list admin password(s).

>  Is there a reason why the design of Mailman doesn't allow for the web
>  interface to display _all_ lists for a Mailman site admin only?  I
>  would think that would be a good feature to have, in that, if I wanted
>  to configure lists remotely as the site admin (as opposed to a list
>  admin), I'd want to see the names of all the lists, advertised or not.

	As site admin, you should have command-line access to the server, 
or at least be able to remember what private lists you've created.

	But you are right that this would be a nice feature.  Please feel 
free to go to the SourceForge Mailman Request for Enhancement page at 
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103> and file 
an RFE.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Aug 10 11:29:51 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:29:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search and import
In-Reply-To: <20050810035319.GB22315@iki.fi>
References: <20050810035319.GB22315@iki.fi>
Message-ID: <p0620074ebf1f78f8a1dc@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:53 PM +1000 2005-08-10, Kai Hendry wrote:

>  Is there some general faq about making mailman archives searchable? I.e.
>  usable.

	You should search the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> before posting questions 
like this.

>  I have a bunch of emails from another system that I wish to import 
>to mailman.

	Not a problem.  The answer is in the FAQ.

>  I don't think I have access to mailman directly as my hosting company
>  set it up for me. So any tips of how I send these mails and maintain the
>  date?

	That's a problem.  If you want to import archives from another 
list, you have to have command-line access.  In this case, you'd have 
to ask your hosting company to do it for you.

	The issue here is that Mailman was never designed to be abused in 
the way that hosting companies are now doing.  It was intended to be 
something that an organization sets up for itself, and where you've 
got complete control over everything yourself.  It was never intended 
to be used in a hosting environment.  People who abuse it in that way 
need to provide a lot of support to their hosting customers, 
otherwise you lose much of the functionality.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Aug 10 11:30:51 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:30:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search and import
In-Reply-To: <001901c59d63$46e282a0$20a21941@wi.rr.com>
References: <20050810035319.GB22315@iki.fi>
	<001901c59d63$46e282a0$20a21941@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <p0620074fbf1f799dc858@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:23 PM -0500 2005-08-09, Tom Chaudoir wrote:

>  Wow. Great question. I'm new here and would love to know how
>  to add archives from my old list server to the Mailman
>  database.

	Try searching the archives of the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> before posting questions 
like this.

>  If it works, you can easily build a form that uses Google to
>  search your archive.

	Or you can search the Mailman FAQ Wizard for other solutions to 
that same problem.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Wed Aug 10 14:28:31 2005
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:28:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can our MM site admin see unadvertised
	lists via web interface?
Message-ID: <200508101228.j7ACSVU5024440@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

>	As site admin, you should have command-line access to the server, 
>or at least be able to remember what private lists you've created.

Remember, it's not me being a list admin, but rather a site admin that's the 
issue.  As a site admin, I wouldn't necessarily know all the many lists that our 
list admins would decide to make private.  Actually, as a site-admin, I wouldn't 
necessarily know all the public lists too.  I'd have to have a list available to 
me (we could potentially have dozens of lists made where the list admins would 
choose whether to advertise the list or not), and I was hoping I'd have that 
list available through a password-protected webpage, especially since there are 
other pages that require the site admin to log in within Mailman (specific list 
maintenance, etc.)

But, yes, having a command-line-access to the server would be the only way for 
the site admin to have a complete set of lists (advertised and non-advertised.)

>	But you are right that this would be a nice feature.  Please feel 
>free to go to the SourceForge Mailman Request for Enhancement page at 
><http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103> and file 
>an RFE.

Brad, thanks for all the info.  I appreciate it.

Steve



From tiagocruz at forumgdh.net  Wed Aug 10 14:54:09 2005
From: tiagocruz at forumgdh.net (Tiago Cruz)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:54:09 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Reply to all" with original destination and
 list destination
In-Reply-To: <p06200748bf1eb118c8f8@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <42F8EFA8.6080604@forumgdh.net> <p06200748bf1eb118c8f8@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <42F9F8F1.8000206@forumgdh.net>

Brad Knowles escreveu:
> At 3:02 PM -0300 2005-08-09, Tiago Cruz wrote:
>>  But, when user is not part of list, the "Reply to all" don't works...
>>  the new message is formated only to list...
> 
>     Did you check the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>?

Hello Brad, good morning (Brazil :)

Yes, I read the FAQ in
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.048.htp

But, I would like only to use, by default in my mail client:
"reply to" -> reply to my list
"reply to all" -> reply to my list _and_ original destination

Its possible? I don't need control the "Reply-to" header...

Thanks a lot!
Cheers,

Tiago Cruz




From matt at solis.co.uk  Wed Aug 10 15:18:07 2005
From: matt at solis.co.uk (Matthew Gray)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:18:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman with virtual hosting
Message-ID: <42FA0C9F.31318.11C6413@localhost>

Hi List,

I'm in need of some help about Postfix and Mailman : specifically
virtual hosting and integrating Postfix and Mailman

I'm got Postfix (2.15, from the Fedora Core 3 package) running with 
virtual email hosts: this works fine, with the following in main.cf :

alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual

(there's a lot of other stuff obviously - but i think these are the
key lines)

I can receive mail on all the domains that point to the machine. At 
the moment /etc/postfix/virtual is just set up to forward 
postmaster@[virtual_domain] to root, and bounce everything else.

I have also succesfully set up Mailman (2.1.6 - compiled from 
source), but without virtual hosting: everything is just running as
[list_name]@[the_real_hostname]

The problem is when I try to make the Mailman write virtual alias 
maps for postfix. I added the following to the virtual_alias_maps 
variable in main.cf :

hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

and added the relavent domains to the 
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS constant in mm_cfg.py. I 
also added them with the add_virtualhost() function in the same file.

The problem is, when i run /usr/local/mailman/bin/genaliases, it 
does not write the virtual-mailman and virtual-mailman.db as I think 
it should. No error is reported, the files just aren't there. And further
to that, when the line: hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
is in main.cf, it breaks the virtual hosted email completely: even the
postmaster@[virtual_domain] addresses that should not be 
affected by Mailman.

I'd really appreciate a few pointers, if any of you have time.

Best,

Matt


-- 

Matthew Gray

Solis

T: (0114) 258 5550
F: (0114) 258 5574


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Aug 10 15:35:09 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:35:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Reply to all" with original destination and
 list destination
In-Reply-To: <42F9F8F1.8000206@forumgdh.net>
References: <42F8EFA8.6080604@forumgdh.net>
	<p06200748bf1eb118c8f8@[10.0.1.3]> <42F9F8F1.8000206@forumgdh.net>
Message-ID: <p06200701bf1fb2c02cad@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:54 AM -0300 2005-08-10, Tiago Cruz wrote:

>  But, I would like only to use, by default in my mail client:
>  "reply to" -> reply to my list
>  "reply to all" -> reply to my list _and_ original destination
>
>  Its possible? I don't need control the "Reply-to" header...

	If you want to do that, without modifying the Reply-to: header, 
then this sounds like a problem with your client.  The only thing 
that Mailman would be able to do is change the Reply-To: header, 
which is a very bad idea -- for the reasons outlined in the FAQ.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From stephen at xemacs.org  Wed Aug 10 16:07:01 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:07:01 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Reply to all" with original destination and
 list destination
In-Reply-To: <42F9F8F1.8000206@forumgdh.net> (Tiago Cruz's message of "Wed,
	10 Aug 2005 09:54:09 -0300")
References: <42F8EFA8.6080604@forumgdh.net> <p06200748bf1eb118c8f8@[10.0.1.3]>
	<42F9F8F1.8000206@forumgdh.net>
Message-ID: <87zmrp3myi.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Tiago" == Tiago Cruz <tiagocruz at forumgdh.net> writes:

    Tiago> But, I would like only to use, by default in my mail
    Tiago> client: "reply to" -> reply to my list "reply to all" ->
    Tiago> reply to my list _and_ original destination

    Tiago> Its possible? I don't need control the "Reply-to" header...

No, it's not possible.  According to the standard for internet mail,
the Reply-To header contains the destination where you can reach the
_author_ of the post.  (If the author chooses to read replies on the
list, she may set Reply-To to the list.  In that case, the behavior
you describe is the behavior you want!)  If Reply-To is not set, then
the From address is used for replies.

Thus, if Reply-To is set, then the standard says that From should be
ignored; mail intended for the author should be directed to Reply-To.
If Reply-To is set to the list, then From is ignored for this reason.
If Reply-To is not set to the list, then neither "reply" nor "reply to
all" will reply only to the list.

As far as I know, all reasonable mail agents implement this behavior
(including Eudora and Outlook, which I normally wouldn't class as
"reasonable", but for this purpose I'll grant them an exception).

There simply is no solution to this problem as stated; there are too
many options to be handled with one header and two mail agent
commands.

There is, of course, a solution: change your mail agent.  What good
mail agents do is add a third command "reply to list" to direct
replies to the list if it was received via a list; if not, to the
author.  Now you have exactly the behavior you want.

So the best solution is to configure the list server to leave the
Reply-To header alone and you get a good mail agent.  If you're stuck
with a mail agent that has no "reply to list" command, then you're
also stuck with the inability to implement the options you prefer.

-- 
School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From flakrat at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 10 16:11:45 2005
From: flakrat at yahoo.com (Mike Hanby)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:11:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error when sending to test-subscribe
In-Reply-To: <1123618318.29111.34.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20050810141155.6343E1E4004@bag.python.org>

Thanks John, that did it.  I did, however have to create the
/usr/local/mailman directory first, it wouldn't configure until I did that.
So, here's my new steps.

% cd /usr/src
% tar -zxvf ./mailman-2.1.6.tgz

# mkdir /usr/local/mailman
# chgrp mailman /usr/local/mailman    #did this according to the README
# chmod a+rx,g+ws /usr/local/mailman  #did this according to the README

% ./configure --with-mail-gid=nogroup

# make
# make install

And there you have it.  The README led me to believe you were supposed to
run the install in the destination directory, I thought that was weird, I
must have misunderstood what I read :-)

Thanks again.
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: John Dennis [mailto:jdennis at redhat.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 15:12
To: Mike Hanby
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error when sending to test-subscribe

On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 14:24 -0500, Mike Hanby wrote:
> Ok, I reinstalled, here are the steps that I followed (btw I'm using
> Slackware 10).
> 
> As root, I created the mailman user and mailman group.  I have mailman
> temporarily set up to allow shell access (so I can install as mailman).

You do not need to be mailman to install mailman, to install mailman you
should be root. The mailman user and group will need to exist prior to
installation so that the installed components can be assigned that
identity.

> # cd /usr/local
> # tar -zxvf ./mailman-2.1.6.tgz
> # chgrp -R mailman ./mailman-2.1.6
> # chmod -R a+rx,g+ws ./mailman-2.1.6
> # ln -s ./mailman-2.1.6 ./mailman
> # su - mailman

None of this is necessary (except for untaring)

> % cd /usr/local/mailman
> % ./configure --with-mail-gid=nogroup
> % make install > ./mailman-install.log 2>&1

ouch. you're building in the install area before you've installed,
sounds like a recipe for disaster. :-) You've also installed as the user
mailman, not root.

Think of your build area as a "staging area" that is used to construct
what will be placed into the the install area by the root user. By
trying to point the install at your build you're going to step all over
what you've built as it installs. It's equivalent to trying to copy a
file onto itself :-(

> I still don't see the ./scripts/subscribe script.

The subscribe script is just a copy of the join script (unsubscribe is a
copy of leave). The part of install that copied the existing scripts
worked, the part that installed copies of join and leave did not. I'm
not sure why that part of the install failed but installing into the
build area and not being root during the install are likely culprits.
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From flakrat at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 10 16:16:44 2005
From: flakrat at yahoo.com (Mike Hanby)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:16:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Force emails to the list to show up as FROM: a
	specific user
Message-ID: <20050810141653.DE1CB1E4004@bag.python.org>

Howdy,

 

I'm setting up a list to be used as a newsletter distribution list.  In that
regards, any email that goes out to the list will only get delivered after
the list admin accepts it.

 

I'd like any email sent to the list to appear to come from the user:
MyCompany Newsletter [enewsleter at mycompany.com]

 

Is this possible?  Right now, I'm having to send the emails using that
account, but I'd like for my boss to be able to send the list an email from
his home email account, list admin approve it, and have it show up as from
MyCompany Newsletter [enewsleter at mycompany.com], rather than John P Smith
[jsmith at aol.com].

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Mike

 

=====================

Mike Hanby

ATcon

2201 Cahaba Valley Drive

Birmingham, AL 35242

 

Texas Aggie, Class of '94

======================================================

Got Virus-scan? -- "Of 147 billion e-mails scanned by IBM for customers

in 2004, one in 16, or 6 percent, contained a virus. During 2002, just 0.5
percent

of e-mail scanned had viruses."

======================================================

 



From tiagocruz at forumgdh.net  Wed Aug 10 16:36:34 2005
From: tiagocruz at forumgdh.net (Tiago Cruz)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:36:34 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Reply to all" with original destination and
 list destination
In-Reply-To: <87zmrp3myi.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <42F8EFA8.6080604@forumgdh.net>
	<p06200748bf1eb118c8f8@[10.0.1.3]>	<42F9F8F1.8000206@forumgdh.net>
	<87zmrp3myi.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <42FA10F2.2010406@forumgdh.net>

Stephen J. Turnbull escreveu:

> So the best solution is to configure the list server to leave the
> Reply-To header alone and you get a good mail agent.  If you're stuck
> with a mail agent that has no "reply to list" command, then you're
> also stuck with the inability to implement the options you prefer.

That's good enough and your letter solved my doubts, thanks!

So, now I'm' going to spam the list of mozilla-thunderbird-devel asking 
for the fucking button: "I want a 'reply to list' button" :-)

Thanks again, have a nice day!




From rme at grc.nasa.gov  Wed Aug 10 16:46:37 2005
From: rme at grc.nasa.gov (Matt Emerson)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:46:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can our MM site admin see unadvertisedlists
 via web interface?
In-Reply-To: <200508101228.j7ACSVU5024440@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> (Steve Rifkin's
	message of "Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:28:31 -0400 (EDT)")
References: <200508101228.j7ACSVU5024440@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <rbszmrp97ea.fsf@agrias.grc.nasa.gov>

Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu> writes:

> I'd have to have a list available to me (we could
> potentially have dozens of lists made where the list admins would
> choose whether to advertise the list or not), and I was hoping I'd
> have that list available through a password-protected webpage,
> especially since there are other pages that require the site admin
> to log in within Mailman (specific list maintenance, etc.)

I wrote a nasty script to generate an HTML file that lists all the
lists.

I run it daily from cron because I didn't want to monkey around with a
setuid mailman CGI program.

Use your web server to restrict access to the generated HTML file as
appropriate.

Here's an example.  Customize as required.  Works for me; it might
work for you.

#!/usr/bin/perl
# Create a web page from the output of the Mailman list_lists command.

$cmd="/usr/share/mailman/bin/list_lists";

open LISTINFO, "$cmd |" or die "cannot run $cmd: $!\n";

print '
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>Mailing lists</title>
<style type="text/css">
.shaded {background: #EEEEEE;}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Mailing lists</h1>
<table>
';

$rownumber = 0;
$headerline = <LISTINFO>;
while (<LISTINFO>) {
    chop;
    ($listname, $description) = split / - /;
    $listname =~ s/^\s+//;
    if ($rownumber % 2) {
        $class = "";
    } else {
        $class = 'class="shaded"';
    }
    $rownumber++;
    $lc_listname = lc $listname;
    print "<tr $class>\n";
    print "<td><a href=\"/mailman/listinfo/$lc_listname\">$listname</a>\n";
    print "<td>$description\n";
    print "<td><a href=\"mailto:${lc_listname}-owner\@your.list.server\">
mail list owner</a>\n";
    print "</tr>\n";
}

print "</table>";

# page footer
print '
</body>
</html>
';

-- 
Matt Emerson
rme at grc.nasa.gov


From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Wed Aug 10 17:17:18 2005
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:17:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can our MM site admin see unadvertised
	lists via web interface?
Message-ID: <200508101517.j7AFHIU5007448@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

Cool.  Thanks Matt, I'll have to try that out.

Steve  


Matt wrote:

>I wrote a nasty script to generate an HTML file that lists all the
>lists.
>
>I run it daily from cron because I didn't want to monkey around with a
>setuid mailman CGI program.
>
>Use your web server to restrict access to the generated HTML file as
>appropriate.
>
>Here's an example.  Customize as required.  Works for me; it might
>work for you.
>
>#!/usr/bin/perl
># Create a web page from the output of the Mailman list_lists command.
>
>$cmd="/usr/share/mailman/bin/list_lists";
>
>open LISTINFO, "$cmd |" or die "cannot run $cmd: $!\n";
>
>print '
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" 
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
><html>
><head>
><title>Mailing lists</title>
><style type="text/css">
>.shaded {background: #EEEEEE;}
></style>
></head>
><body>
><h1>Mailing lists</h1>
><table>
>';
>
>$rownumber = 0;
>$headerline = <LISTINFO>;
>while (<LISTINFO>) {
>    chop;
>    ($listname, $description) = split / - /;
>    $listname =~ s/^\s+//;
>    if ($rownumber % 2) {
>        $class = "";
>    } else {
>        $class = 'class="shaded"';
>    }
>    $rownumber++;
>    $lc_listname = lc $listname;
>    print "<tr $class>\n";
>    print "<td><a href=\"/mailman/listinfo/$lc_listname\">$listname</a>\n";
>    print "<td>$description\n";
>    print "<td><a href=\"mailto:${lc_listname}-owner\@your.list.server\">
>mail list owner</a>\n";
>    print "</tr>\n";
>}
>
>print "</table>";
>
># page footer
>print '
></body>
></html>
>';
>
>-- 
>Matt Emerson
>rme at grc.nasa.gov



From Tim.Young at LightSys.org  Wed Aug 10 17:33:24 2005
From: Tim.Young at LightSys.org (Tim Young)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:33:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail: collect: premature EOM: unexpected close
Message-ID: <42FA1E44.3090309@LightSys.org>

We are running Suse 9.2 and have recently installed mailman 2.1.6 on our 
site.  We are using sendmail and mm-handler.

It seems that our messages are not being properly picked up by qrunner.
If we send an email to a non-existing list, we get a nice email telling 
us that the list does not exist.
If we send an email to a list, it appears all the appropriate files get 
created.
There are messages that appear as heldmsg-[listname].pck
And there are numerous messages that appear as retries that have a 
very-long number.pck
The text of the emails sent do appear in these files.

In /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp-failure, we have a message: "SMTP 
session failure: -1, a(): 1.00"

Sendmail gives us:
collect: premature EOM: unexpected close
collect: unexpected close on connection from localhost.

I do an strace -f -p [pid of qrunner outgoing-runner]
and I find:
recv(10, "getla(): 1.08\n220 localhost ESMT"..., 8192, 0) = 
108               
send(10, "ehlo lists.lightsys.org\r\n", 22, 0) = 
22                              
send(10, "mail FROM:<testlist-bounces at list"..., 45, 0) = 
45                   
recv(10, "250-localhost Hello localhost [1"..., 8192, 0) = 
231                
send(10, "rcpt TO:<tim.young at lightsys.org>"..., 34, 0) = 
34                   
send(10, "data\r\n", 6, 0)              = 
6                                   
recv(10, "getla(): 1.08\n", 8192, 0)    = 
14                                  
send(10, "quit\r\n", 6, 0)              = 
6                                   
recv(10, "250 2.1.5 <tim.young at lightsys.or"..., 8192, 0) = 
102                
close(10)

Basically, qrunner does everything for the email except send any data.  
I have been able to successfully send an email by telnetting to the 
smtpserver (127.0.0.1) on port 25, and typing in what qrunner sends.  If 
I put something in as data, it processes through sendmail fine and gets 
delivered.

So why is qrunner losing the body of the email messages?

    - Tim


From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Aug 10 18:59:49 2005
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:59:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Reply to all" with original destination and
 list destination
In-Reply-To: <42FA10F2.2010406@forumgdh.net>
Message-ID: <BF1F8095.7334%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 8/10/05 7:36 AM, "Tiago Cruz" <tiagocruz at forumgdh.net> wrote:

> Stephen J. Turnbull escreveu:
> 
>> So the best solution is to configure the list server to leave the
>> Reply-To header alone and you get a good mail agent.  If you're stuck
>> with a mail agent that has no "reply to list" command, then you're
>> also stuck with the inability to implement the options you prefer.
> 
> That's good enough and your letter solved my doubts, thanks!
> 
> So, now I'm' going to spam the list of mozilla-thunderbird-devel asking
> for the button: "I want a 'reply to list' button" :-)
> 
> Thanks again, have a nice day!

Note that with Thunderbird, there could well be a plugin available that does
what you want.  Or not, of course.

But it would be worth checking.

  --John (who has other reasons for not using Thunderbird)




From bert.beaudin at uwc-usa.org  Wed Aug 10 19:19:50 2005
From: bert.beaudin at uwc-usa.org (Bert Beaudin)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:19:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list with capital letters in the name and the
	newlist script
Message-ID: <88AF6E61964C1E43B0F06CE8D6804D697C0433@cielo.ahuwc.local>

Hello all
    I was hoping that some one could answer the this can I create a list
with capital letters in the name of the list using the newlist script? 
 
Ex: S315C
 
Thanks,

Bert Beaudin

It Manager

AHUWC

bert at uwc.net <mailto:bert at uwc.net> 

505-454-4254

www.uwc-usa.org <http://www.uwc-usa.org/> 

 

 


From jdennis at redhat.com  Wed Aug 10 21:09:47 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:09:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list with capital letters in the name and
	the	newlist script
In-Reply-To: <88AF6E61964C1E43B0F06CE8D6804D697C0433@cielo.ahuwc.local>
References: <88AF6E61964C1E43B0F06CE8D6804D697C0433@cielo.ahuwc.local>
Message-ID: <1123700987.29111.70.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Wed, 2005-08-10 at 11:19 -0600, Bert Beaudin wrote:
> Hello all
>     I was hoping that some one could answer the this can I create a list
> with capital letters in the name of the list using the newlist script? 

No, it always converts the name to lower case. Not sure why, but that is
the behavior.
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From loekjehe at xs4all.nl  Wed Aug 10 22:51:58 2005
From: loekjehe at xs4all.nl (Loek Jehee)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:51:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug report: hanging message (shunting)
Message-ID: <a06200707bf2017c76b5c@[62.195.82.160]>

Hello,

I repeatedly have a shunted message when it is a message made in
Eudora 6.2 (on Mac OS X) that contains a so-called "in-line" image
(like jpg). When I send such message to the list (and I approve it as
a moderator), then the message gets "shunted" and manually has to be
put in the normal queue.

I consider this a bug in MailMan which I would like to inform you of.
I don't know if this list is the right place to post such bug report but
I thought it might be interesting also for other users to know that
such thing can happen. Maybe someone has a solution for me for
this type of messages containing in-line pictures.

The bug recently happens always when I send such message so it
is a reproducible error.

Below is the error log for your information.

Best regards,

Loek Jehee

--------

>
>Hi Loek,
>
>if you report this to mailman-users mailing list, here is the error
>log. It is for the default installation of version 2.1.6.
>
>Aug 10 19:29:19 2005 (30334) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 5]
>Input/output error
>Aug 10 19:29:19 2005 (30334) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130,
>in _dispose
>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153,
>in _dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 92, in
>process
>     send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 133, in
>send_digests
>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 315, in
>send_i18n_digests
>     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 286, in
>process
>     payload = part.get_payload(decode=True)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 223, in
>get_payload
>     uu.decode(StringIO(payload+'\n'), sfp)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/uu.py", line 139, in decode
>     sys.stderr.write("Warning: %s\n" % str(v))
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/MultiLogger.py", line 45,
>in write
>     _logexc(logger, msg)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.py", line 22, in _logexc
>     sys.__stderr__.write('Logging error: %s\n' % logger)
>IOError: [Errno 5] Input/output error
>
>Aug 10 19:29:19 2005 (30334) SHUNTING:
>1123691170.7004039+8fe48db8d809846344debd6eddb21ddcfb95ffca
>
>"Shunting" means putting the message into the deferred queue.
>"Unshunting" means pulling the message out into the normal queue, so
>it is sent out.
>
>Another piece of info that might help is the output of bin/unshunt:
>
>Aug 10 23:15:12 2005 qrunner(7630): Warning: Trailing garbage
>Aug 10 23:15:12 2005 qrunner(7630): Warning: Trailing garbage
>Aug 10 23:15:12 2005 qrunner(7630): Warning: Trailing garbage
>Aug 10 23:15:12 2005 qrunner(7630): Warning: Trailing garbage
>Aug 10 23:15:12 2005 qrunner(7630): Warning: Trailing garbage
>Aug 10 23:15:12 2005 qrunner(7630): Warning: Trailing garbage
>


From crashsick at outgun.com  Wed Aug 10 22:54:24 2005
From: crashsick at outgun.com (steven roeder)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:54:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] emails getting cut up
Message-ID: <20050810205424.2DB85CA0A3@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com>

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From hendry at iki.fi  Thu Aug 11 02:46:40 2005
From: hendry at iki.fi (Kai Hendry)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:46:40 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search and import
In-Reply-To: <p0620074ebf1f78f8a1dc@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <20050810035319.GB22315@iki.fi> <p0620074ebf1f78f8a1dc@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20050811004638.GB25856@iki.fi>

On 2005-08-10T11:29+0200 Brad Knowles wrote:
> 	You should search the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> before posting questions 
> like this.

Somehow I missed this from http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/

It should be made clearer.

> >  I have a bunch of emails from another system that I wish to import 
> >to mailman.
> 	Not a problem.  The answer is in the FAQ.

Aha!
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.001.htp

I wonder how I convert my messages which are individual files to a mbox?
Just cat them?

> >  I don't think I have access to mailman directly as my hosting company
> >  set it up for me. So any tips of how I send these mails and maintain the
> >  date?
> 	That's a problem.  If you want to import archives from another 
> list, you have to have command-line access.  In this case, you'd have 
> to ask your hosting company to do it for you.

Oh no.

> 	The issue here is that Mailman was never designed to be abused in 
> the way that hosting companies are now doing.  It was intended to be 
> something that an organization sets up for itself, and where you've 
> got complete control over everything yourself.  It was never intended 
> to be used in a hosting environment.  People who abuse it in that way 
> need to provide a lot of support to their hosting customers, 
> otherwise you lose much of the functionality.

Please! I think it is a bit harsh to call it "abuse". 

Ideally there should be a mail or Web interface for this feature.


From hendry at iki.fi  Thu Aug 11 03:04:23 2005
From: hendry at iki.fi (Kai Hendry)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:04:23 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Procmail recipe
Message-ID: <20050811010422.GC25856@iki.fi>

Is there an authoritative procmail recipe for filtering mailman list
messages automagically?

My current configuration seems to skip some.

http://trac.natalian.org/file/home/.procmailrc

pico$ egrep Skip ~/Maildir/procmail.log | uniq
--- Logging /home/hendry/Maildir//procmail.log for hendry, procmail: Skipped "wp-hackers/"
procmail: Skipped "travel-natalian/"
--- Logging /home/hendry/Maildir//procmail.log for hendry, procmail: Skipped "wp-hackers/"


From tdeboer at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 03:16:20 2005
From: tdeboer at gmail.com (Tim DeBoer)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:16:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms errors
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11061.1123605129.10511.mailman-users@python.org>
References: <mailman.11061.1123605129.10511.mailman-users@python.org>
Message-ID: <f5fb66005081018165765b67f@mail.gmail.com>

All fixed now.
I was using the BSD port version rather than a source tarball, so I
edited the Makefile to use mailman rather than mailnull for the
groupid.

Thanks everyone for all the help :)

-- 
Tim DeBoer

Just once, I'd like it if someone called me "Sir".
Without adding "You're creating a scene".


From stephen at xemacs.org  Thu Aug 11 11:26:04 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:26:04 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search and import
In-Reply-To: <20050811004638.GB25856@iki.fi> (Kai Hendry's message of "Thu,
	11 Aug 2005 10:46:40 +1000")
References: <20050810035319.GB22315@iki.fi> <p0620074ebf1f78f8a1dc@[10.0.1.3]>
	<20050811004638.GB25856@iki.fi>
Message-ID: <87ek903jv7.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Kai" == Kai Hendry <hendry at iki.fi> writes:

    Kai> Ideally there should be a mail or Web interface for this
    Kai> feature.

And ideally it would be provided by its users or their hosting companies.<wink>

Don't you think it's rather strange that you're unwilling to ask for
service from people you _pay_ for it, while you imply that Mailman's
_volunteers_ should add features to replace the service you aren't
getting from the vendor?

-- 
School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From aghufran at hamdard.net.pk  Thu Aug 11 16:22:13 2005
From: aghufran at hamdard.net.pk (Abid Ghufran)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:22:13 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mailman user account creation
	confirmation
Message-ID: <020701c59e80$11a00770$9000a8c0@hamdard.net.pk>

I have installed mailman on redhat linux 7.2 and am using mailman with
default configurations.

When a user visits the web site (page) of the created mailing list and
registers his email address, he is supposed to get an email for
confirmation. This does not happen.

Further, if I (mailing list admin) register a user (his email address)
through the admin interface of mailman and then the user tries to send an
email to the list, the mail is bounced stating that the "user" does not
exist. Here the "user" is the name of the mailing list.

Help would be appreciated.

Thanks and regards,

Abid Ghufran.



From aghufran at hamdard.net.pk  Thu Aug 11 16:28:51 2005
From: aghufran at hamdard.net.pk (Abid Ghufran)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:28:51 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mailman user account creation
	confirmation
Message-ID: <023301c59e80$fe95a670$9000a8c0@hamdard.net.pk>

I have installed mailman on redhat linux 7.2 and am using mailman with
default configurations.

When a user visits the web site (page) of the created mailing list and
registers his email address, he is supposed to get an email for
confirmation. This does not happen.

Further, if I (mailing list admin) register a user (his email address)
through the admin interface of mailman and then the user tries to send an
email to the list, the mail is bounced stating that the "user" does not
exist. Here the "user" is the name of the mailing list.

Help would be appreciated.

Thanks and regards,

Abid Ghufran.



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Aug 11 15:47:59 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:47:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug report: hanging message (shunting)
In-Reply-To: <a06200707bf2017c76b5c@[62.195.82.160]>
References: <a06200707bf2017c76b5c@[62.195.82.160]>
Message-ID: <p06200700bf21075e7b32@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:51 PM +0200 2005-08-10, Loek Jehee wrote:

>  I consider this a bug in MailMan which I would like to inform you of.

	You need to file a report on the SourceForge Mailman Bugs page at 
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103>, if you 
want it to get into the system and have a reasonable chance of being 
fixed.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Aug 11 15:52:45 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:52:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] emails getting cut up
In-Reply-To: <20050810205424.2DB85CA0A3@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050810205424.2DB85CA0A3@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <p06200702bf210857b588@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:54 PM -0600 2005-08-10, steven roeder wrote:

>  ive been having problem with my emails getting cut up, due to size i
>  believe, but i have the (Maximum length in kilobytes (KB) of a message
>  body. Use 0 for no limit.) set to 0. is there something im missing?

	Mailman doesn't "cut up" e-mail messages.  You can configure it 
to strip certain MIME bodypart types, or you can configure it to only 
allow certain MIME bodypart types through, and you can also configure 
it to convert HTML into plain text.  Of course, it can also reject 
messages because they're too large.

	But that's it.  You can't configure it to "cut up" messages.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Aug 11 15:57:51 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:57:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search and import
In-Reply-To: <20050811004638.GB25856@iki.fi>
References: <20050810035319.GB22315@iki.fi>
	<p0620074ebf1f78f8a1dc@[10.0.1.3]> <20050811004638.GB25856@iki.fi>
Message-ID: <p06200703bf2108c5cf7c@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:46 AM +1000 2005-08-11, Kai Hendry wrote:

>>  >  I have a bunch of emails from another system that I wish to import
>>  >to mailman.
>>  	Not a problem.  The answer is in the FAQ.
>
>  Aha!
>  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.001.htp
>
>  I wonder how I convert my messages which are individual files to a mbox?
>  Just cat them?

	No, you can't just "cat" them.  7th edition mbox format is very 
specific in terms of the delimiter characters.  Usually the 
safest/easiest thing to do is to re-process the individual files with 
the "formmail" program from the "procmail" package, in order to turn 
them into the correct 7th edition mbox format mailbox.

	This answer is definitely in the archives, and should also have 
been in the FAQ.

>>  	The issue here is that Mailman was never designed to be abused in
>>  the way that hosting companies are now doing.  It was intended to be
>>  something that an organization sets up for itself, and where you've
>>  got complete control over everything yourself.  It was never intended
>>  to be used in a hosting environment.  People who abuse it in that way
>>  need to provide a lot of support to their hosting customers,
>>  otherwise you lose much of the functionality.
>
>  Please! I think it is a bit harsh to call it "abuse".

	Mailman was never designed to be used that way, so it is quite 
appropriate to call it abuse.  Especially in the case where hosting 
providers put the program up and then say that they don't provide any 
support for it.

	If you were one of the principal authors of Mailman, or one of 
the administrators/moderators of the mailman-users mailing list, I 
might be willing to listen to your arguments on this matter.

>  Ideally there should be a mail or Web interface for this feature.

	Which is why you should file an RFE at the SourceForge Mailman 
Request For Enhancement page at 
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Aug 11 18:24:23 2005
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:24:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] emails getting cut up
In-Reply-To: <p06200702bf210857b588@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <BF20C9C7.736F%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 8/11/05 6:52 AM, "Brad Knowles" <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:

> At 2:54 PM -0600 2005-08-10, steven roeder wrote:
> 
>>  ive been having problem with my emails getting cut up, due to size i
>>  believe, but i have the (Maximum length in kilobytes (KB) of a message
>>  body. Use 0 for no limit.) set to 0. is there something im missing?
> 
> Mailman doesn't "cut up" e-mail messages.  You can configure it
> to strip certain MIME bodypart types, or you can configure it to only
> allow certain MIME bodypart types through, and you can also configure
> it to convert HTML into plain text.  Of course, it can also reject
> messages because they're too large.
> 
> But that's it.  You can't configure it to "cut up" messages.

One can configure Outlook Express--at least some versions--to cut large
messages into small pieces.  Found while dealing with a support issue which,
paraphrased, was "I send one message, and John receives 6 messages from me."

Steven didn't seem to post to the list using Outlook Express (the headers
didn't make it clear what he did use) so I didn't say anything earlier,
although I should have.

My Windows machine is currently safe in its carrying case (no viruses get in
that way), so I can't find the setting.

  --John




From regoli at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 20:08:13 2005
From: regoli at gmail.com (Michael Regoli)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:08:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can our MM site admin see unadvertised
	lists via web interface?
In-Reply-To: <200508101228.j7ACSVU5024440@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
References: <200508101228.j7ACSVU5024440@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <3b876d09050811110851b1ac54@mail.gmail.com>

Speaking of command-line utilities for mailman, this has me thinking
of a feature that I may be missing.  We have Mailman listserves with
dozens of subscribers, and while my admins use the web interface to
work with the lists, there doesn't seem to be a way (other than by
command line) to produce a list of ALL subscribers to a list.

As you know, when your list reaches a certain threshold, it begins
grouping the subscribers by letter of the alphabet.  Is there a way to
see ALL subscribers via the web admin interface?

Thanks for any help.  --michael


On 8/10/05, Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu> wrote:

> But, yes, having a command-line-access to the server would be the only way for
> the site admin to have a complete set of lists (advertised and non-advertised.)


From mlafarr at hsph.harvard.edu  Thu Aug 11 20:40:09 2005
From: mlafarr at hsph.harvard.edu (Michael LaFarr)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:40:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Mode
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050811143626.01c8cb08@hsph.harvard.edu>

Hello.  I am new to mailman.  I am working to set up the digest 
function.  I would like to set up a list that does not give the user the 
choice of how they will receive messages (individually or grouped).  I 
would like to configure the list so that when I approve incoming messages, 
all messages will all be sent grouped in one email rather than separate 
emails.  I can't seem to find a way to do that.  Any suggestions?
Thank you,
Michael LaFarr


Michael J. LaFarr
Assistant Director of Student Affairs
Harvard School of Public Health
677 Huntington Avenue, Kresge G-20
Boston, MA 02115
phone: 617.432.6650
fax: 617.432.3879 

From jrlamar at owu.edu  Thu Aug 11 21:32:50 2005
From: jrlamar at owu.edu (Jason LaMar)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:32:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of quick configs ...
Message-ID: <BF212022.C0CD%jrlamar@owu.edu>

Hello. I'm new to Mailman and this list, so forgive me if I'm repeating
recent questions, but there are two specific things I want to do that I
think involve Python hacking:

1. Change the default digest delivery time to 5 p.m. local/server time.

2. Completely remove the "You can get more information about this list."
line and the "More info on this list..." bulleted line from ALL the Web
Archives pages of ALL lists.

For request #2, will this change be retroactive and apply to existing Web
pages? Or do I have to rebuild the lists somehow for these deletions to take
effect?

Also, for both requests, do I have to recompile something? Any specific help
on where and how to make these changes would be appreciated.



Thanks,

Jason

_________________________

Jason LaMar
Interim Director of Information Services
Libraries and Information Services
Ohio Wesleyan University; Delaware, OH 43015
Tel: 740-368-3131, Fax: 740-368-3272, Web: http://www.owu.edu/




From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Aug 12 04:05:21 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:05:21 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can our MM site admin see unadvertised
	lists via web interface?
In-Reply-To: <3b876d09050811110851b1ac54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200508101228.j7ACSVU5024440@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
	<3b876d09050811110851b1ac54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B6F7F70-F9BC-48B3-AB4B-F14ABC3FC402@onjapan.net>

On Aug 12, 2005, at 03:08, Michael Regoli wrote:

> As you know, when your list reaches a certain threshold, it begins
> grouping the subscribers by letter of the alphabet.  Is there a way to
> see ALL subscribers via the web admin interface?

You can set DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE to a large number (or set  
admin_member_chunksize using withlist or configlist to just change it  
for certain lists).  This can have performance problems building/ 
downloading very large pages.

You can also use a script to drive the web interface to collect all  
of the chunks and build it into a complete subscriber list.  An  
example of this technique is available at <http://starship.python.net/ 
crew/jwt/mailman/index.html#throughtheweb>


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From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Aug 12 04:15:27 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:15:27 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Mode
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050811143626.01c8cb08@hsph.harvard.edu>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050811143626.01c8cb08@hsph.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <A6A55BFF-DFE2-44E9-B56F-853F8AA72E29@onjapan.net>

On Aug 12, 2005, at 03:40, Michael LaFarr wrote:

> I would like to set up a list that does not give the user the
> choice of how they will receive messages (individually or grouped).  I
> would like to configure the list so that when I approve incoming  
> messages,
> all messages will all be sent grouped in one email rather than  
> separate
> emails.

As you've stated the problem, there isn't an existing automated way  
to do it.  Digests are typically configured to be sent periodically  
(by a cron job that by default runs once per day).

However, you could:
- set nondigestable=No on the non-digest options page to prevent  
users from subscribing to individual messages
- you may want to increase digest_size_threshold if you really want  
all approved messages to be in a single digest
- after you have approved the messages, manually run:
    ~mailman/cron/senddigests -l listname
    to force the delivery of a digest at that time (or wait for the  
next cron-invoked digest sending)




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From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Aug 12 04:27:41 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:27:41 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of quick configs ...
In-Reply-To: <BF212022.C0CD%jrlamar@owu.edu>
References: <BF212022.C0CD%jrlamar@owu.edu>
Message-ID: <1761B0CE-6ECD-43B3-9256-AF45E8F8FCEF@onjapan.net>

On Aug 12, 2005, at 04:32, Jason LaMar wrote:

> 1. Change the default digest delivery time to 5 p.m. local/server  
> time.

Change the entry in crontab that invokes senddigests.  ('crontab -e - 
u mailman' where mailman is the Mailman user, typically mailman or  
list).

> 2. Completely remove the "You can get more information about this  
> list."
> line and the "More info on this list..." bulleted line from ALL the  
> Web
> Archives pages of ALL lists.

You can change the arch*.html template files for each of the  
languages your lists support.  For example, for English, copy the  
templates you wish to change from the ~mailman/templates/en directory  
to the ~mailman/templates/site/en directory (creating it if you  
haven't already)... and then edit the copies.
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp>

> For request #2, will this change be retroactive and apply to  
> existing Web
> pages? Or do I have to rebuild the lists somehow for these  
> deletions to take
> effect?

You will need to rebuild the archive for each list using arch's -- 
wipe option.
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
query=wipe&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search>


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From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Aug 12 04:37:16 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:37:16 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mailman user account creation
	confirmation
In-Reply-To: <020701c59e80$11a00770$9000a8c0@hamdard.net.pk>
References: <020701c59e80$11a00770$9000a8c0@hamdard.net.pk>
Message-ID: <A759EFB3-75F8-46CF-9BA5-32D8D788CACF@onjapan.net>


On Aug 11, 2005, at 23:22, Abid Ghufran wrote:

> When a user visits the web site (page) of the created mailing list and
> registers his email address, he is supposed to get an email for
> confirmation. This does not happen.

It sounds like Mailman is having trouble sending to your local mail  
server.  (Or if you are using Mailman 2.1 you forgot to start it.  Or  
for Mailman 2.0 you forgot to add the required crontab entries.)

> Further, if I (mailing list admin) register a user (his email address)
> through the admin interface of mailman and then the user tries to  
> send an
> email to the list, the mail is bounced stating that the "user" does  
> not
> exist. Here the "user" is the name of the mailing list.

Your mail server is not recognizing your mailing list alias(es).  (Or  
if you are using one of the mail server configurations that  
automatically detects list presence and routes mail directly... there  
is a setup problem there.)

You should start by searching the Mailman FAQ for hints on how to get  
more information so you can solve these problems.  In particular  
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
req=show&file=faq03.014.htp> is probably a good starting point.


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From webmaster at travel-in-spain.com  Fri Aug 12 13:17:52 2005
From: webmaster at travel-in-spain.com (Webmaster TIS)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:17:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got noticed when a mail has been sent
Message-ID: <026801c59f2f$7b89e0c0$3201a8c0@webmaster2>

I would like to got noticed, as admin, when Mailman has finished to send a post to a list.
Is there a way to do that in mailman?
If not, how can I extract this info from the smtp log file of Mailman?
Because I saw there was a line saying 
"Aug 08 17:31:14 2005 (6695) <0.123456789.AB12CDEFE at domain.com> smtp for 10045 recips, completed in 2854.373 seconds"
But how can I extract the right information not knowing the number of the post?
How is this number generated?

From gamelover9001 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 12 16:44:18 2005
From: gamelover9001 at yahoo.com (game lover)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:44:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails with a Subject in Chinese to a Mailing List
Message-ID: <20050812144418.48571.qmail@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am currently using Mailman 2.1.5 provided by a hosting service.  When I send emails with a subject in Chinese to a mailing list that I created in Mailman, the emails are always discarded without any notice to the senders and recipients.  Would anyone please help me to solve this issue?  I will appreciate any information on this issue
 
Thanks.


		
---------------------------------
 Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 

From gamelover9001 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 12 17:15:46 2005
From: gamelover9001 at yahoo.com (game lover)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:15:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ????
Message-ID: <20050812151546.67797.qmail@web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

????

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

From gamelover9001 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 12 17:17:29 2005
From: gamelover9001 at yahoo.com (game lover)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:17:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ????
Message-ID: <20050812151729.83221.qmail@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

????

		
---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
 Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

From js9001 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 12 17:20:25 2005
From: js9001 at hotmail.com (js)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:20:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?utf-8?b?6YKu5Lu2?=
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV16A25F114DD48FE4D01794DEBC0@phx.gbl>

??

From lists05 at equinephotoart.com  Fri Aug 12 17:23:09 2005
From: lists05 at equinephotoart.com (JC Dill)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:23:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails with a Subject in Chinese to a Mailing
 List
In-Reply-To: <20050812144418.48571.qmail@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050812144418.48571.qmail@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42FCBEDD.7020109@equinephotoart.com>

game lover wrote:
> I am currently using Mailman 2.1.5 provided by a hosting service.
> When I send emails with a subject in Chinese to a mailing list that I
> created in Mailman, the emails are always discarded without any
> notice to the senders and recipients.  Would anyone please help me to
> solve this issue?  I will appreciate any information on this issue

As your second post (presumably with Chinese characters in the subject 
and body) to this list shows, Chinese characters go thru without any 
problems.  Have you asked your hosting service to look into your problem 
for you?  I suspect your messages are being discarded by a spam filter 
at your host and are never reaching Mailman.

jc


From js9001 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 12 17:24:18 2005
From: js9001 at hotmail.com (js)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:24:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?utf-8?b?5Lit5paHIOmCruS7tg==?=
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV2A267B8CDA807A0BD72C7DEBC0@phx.gbl>

???

From js9001 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 12 17:38:39 2005
From: js9001 at hotmail.com (js)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:38:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ?? ??
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV6C17763F60231E244E22ADEBC0@phx.gbl>

??

From gamelover9001 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 12 17:53:10 2005
From: gamelover9001 at yahoo.com (game lover)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:53:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails with a Subject in Chinese to a Mailing
	List
In-Reply-To: <42FCC45A.8060308@equinephotoart.com>
Message-ID: <20050812155310.9589.qmail@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thank you for the suggestion.

JC Dill <lists05 at equinephotoart.com> wrote:game lover wrote:
> Thank you for the response. I contacted the hosting service but 
> they did not find any problem with their installation or setings. The 
> spam filter was not set to discared any emails. I tried to send 
> messages with a subject in Japanese and it worked fine. The problem is 
> in the "Subject" and not in the "body". I am not sure that is the 
> problem of version 2.1.5. But currently the hosting company is only 
> using 2.1.5 and does not have a plan to upgrade to 2.1.6. 

The message doesn't just disappear into thin air, and your hosting 
company is the one that gets, and ultimately discards the message rather 
than sending it out. Ask the hosting company to look in the logs for 
the mail server and for mailman. Since you are paying them for their 
service they are the ones who should help you get to the bottom of this.

jc

> 
> */JC Dill 
/* wrote:
> 
> game lover wrote:
> > I am currently using Mailman 2.1.5 provided by a hosting service.
> > When I send emails with a subject in Chinese to a mailing list that I
> > created in Mailman, the emails are always discarded without any
> > notice to the senders and recipients. Would anyone please help me to
> > solve this issue? I will appreciate any information on this issue
> 
> As your second post (presumably with Chinese characters in the subject
> and body) to this list shows, Chinese characters go thru without any
> problems. Have you asked your hosting service to look into your problem
> for you? I suspect your messages are being discarded by a spam filter
> at your host and are never reaching Mailman.
> 
> jc
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
> 



__________________________________________________
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Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

From Darryl.Lee at palm.com  Fri Aug 12 21:00:05 2005
From: Darryl.Lee at palm.com (Darryl Lee)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:00:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 + HTDig 3.1.6 - New messages make
	Search Box go away
Message-ID: <0CDA0467C61BC34E87BC7C68E644BE2E010957C6@usmilm003.palm1.palmone.com>

Something weird is happening with I'm guessing the HyperArch.py script.
When I manually do a bin/arch, the search box is there and everything's
great.  But when a new message comes in for any of the four lists that
I've got, the archive gets reindexed, and I lose the search box.

 

Really weird.

 

The %(htsearch)s line is in the archtoc.html and archtocnombox.html
templates, and TOC_htsearch.html is in place as well.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks!

 

--

Darryl Lee <darryl.lee at palm.com>

SW Tools Engineer - Palm, Inc.

 



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Aug 12 21:00:01 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:00:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got noticed when a mail has been sent
In-Reply-To: <026801c59f2f$7b89e0c0$3201a8c0@webmaster2>
References: <026801c59f2f$7b89e0c0$3201a8c0@webmaster2>
Message-ID: <p06200717bf22a0c970d9@[10.0.1.210]>

At 1:17 PM +0200 2005-08-12, Webmaster TIS wrote:

>  I would like to got noticed, as admin, when Mailman has finished to
>  send a post to a list.  Is there a way to do that in mailman?

	In Mailman?  No, not without modifying the source code.  You 
could write a cron job, or a log-watching script, but whatever you do 
will require some extra code.

>  If not, how can I extract this info from the smtp log file of Mailman?
>  Because I saw there was a line saying
>  "Aug 08 17:31:14 2005 (6695) <0.123456789.AB12CDEFE at domain.com> smtp for
>  10045 recips, completed in 2854.373 seconds".  But how can I extract the
>  right information not knowing the number of the post?

	Mailman doesn't log as much information as would be required to 
make this job easy.  You'll have to track message-ids for inbound and 
outbound processes, and try to correlate the two.  And even that may 
not be enough.

>  How is this number generated?

	That number is generated based on the number of recipients on the 
mailing list, whether or not personalization is turned on, how many 
recipients receive digests as opposed to individual messages, etc....

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk  Sun Aug 14 16:50:27 2005
From: alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk (Alan Chandler)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:50:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple nntp hosts
Message-ID: <200508141550.27405.alan@chandlerfamily.org.uk>

I have successfully had mailman gate news to and from both my local isp's 
newsgroups (no authentication required) and eclipse newsgroups (where 
authentication is required).

But not together.

Is it possible to set the NNTP_PASSWORD and NNTP_USERNAME for a mailing list 
to a different value than in mm_cfg.py (or the defaults.py if the former is 
silent on those variables).


-- 
Alan Chandler
http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sun Aug 14 18:26:10 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:26:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple nntp hosts
In-Reply-To: <200508141550.27405.alan@chandlerfamily.org.uk>
References: <200508141550.27405.alan@chandlerfamily.org.uk>
Message-ID: <p06200702bf2520d77521@[10.0.1.210]>

At 3:50 PM +0100 2005-08-14, Alan Chandler wrote:

>  Is it possible to set the NNTP_PASSWORD and NNTP_USERNAME for a mailing list
>  to a different value than in mm_cfg.py (or the defaults.py if the former is
>  silent on those variables).

	Not without modifying the source code, no.  As far as Mailman is 
concerned, there is one and only one news server, news account & 
password, etc... for the entire installation.

	Feel free to provide a patch that provides the behaviour you're 
looking for, however.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk  Sun Aug 14 18:43:26 2005
From: alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk (Alan Chandler)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:43:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple nntp hosts
In-Reply-To: <p06200702bf2520d77521@[10.0.1.210]>
References: <200508141550.27405.alan@chandlerfamily.org.uk>
	<p06200702bf2520d77521@[10.0.1.210]>
Message-ID: <200508141743.27163.alan@chandlerfamily.org.uk>

On Sunday 14 August 2005 17:26, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 3:50 PM +0100 2005-08-14, Alan Chandler wrote:
> >  Is it possible to set the NNTP_PASSWORD and NNTP_USERNAME for a mailing
> > list to a different value than in mm_cfg.py (or the defaults.py if the
> > former is silent on those variables).
>
> 	Not without modifying the source code, no.  As far as Mailman is
> concerned, there is one and only one news server, news account &
> password, etc... for the entire installation.
>
> 	Feel free to provide a patch that provides the behaviour you're
> looking for, however.

Or alternatively look at using leafnode as a moderator between the two news 
servers and mailman! :-)

Especially as my python skills are non existant

-- 
Alan Chandler
http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk


From michaelonlaw at gmail.com  Sun Aug 14 22:31:46 2005
From: michaelonlaw at gmail.com (Michael Scott Fischer)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:31:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] __getmsgids in ListAdmin.py (via checkdbs) reports
	"ValueError: too many values to unpack"
Message-ID: <86db848d05081413314a9dd9b@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know what causes the following error message, and if so,
how to make Mailman happy again?

This is Mailman 2.1.6, Python 2.4.1 on a FreeBSD 5.4 system - both are
installed from ports.  I've upgraded Mailman several times, but only
after the 2.1.6 upgrade did I begin to receive these errors.

Thanks,

--Michael

Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 203, in ?
   main()
 File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 104, in main
   discarded = auto_discard(mlist)
 File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 192, in auto_discard
   heldmsgs = mlist.GetHeldMessageIds()
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 143, in GetHeldMessageIds
   return self.__getmsgids(HELDMSG)
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 138, in __getmsgids
   ids = [k for k, (op, data) in self.__db.items() if op == rtype]
ValueError: too many values to unpack


From stuart at r3wt.net  Mon Aug 15 04:35:53 2005
From: stuart at r3wt.net (Stuart)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:35:53 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman "To" address changes when posting
Message-ID: <46316.203.221.182.208.1124073353.squirrel@www.r3wt.net>

Hi All,

I have just installed and configured mailman and it's all functioning
fairly well, but I still have the following problem.

When a user posts to the list they use listname at lists.domain.com.au . I
have setup an MX record for this subdomain, and configured sendmail do be
the local MTA for lists, and that is all working correctly in and out.

However, the the real FQDN of the server is "proxy.domain.com.au" and even
though emails are addressed to listname at lists.domain.com.au, they appear
in your inbox as listname at proxy.domain.com.au.  Is mailman changing this
in transit or is it somewhere else?

I have configured masquerading on the sendmail server to make
lists.domain.com.au the default domain for all mail sent via this server.
This works for outgoing messages, but incoming messages are being changed
somewhere.

I have configured "Mailman/mm_cfg.py" to use lists.domain.com.au as the
default domain for the web interface and email. What am I doing wrong
here? I apologise if this has been covered. I did a lot of searching
before I came here.

Server: Fedora Core 3
Mailman: mailman-2.1.5-32.fc3 (from rpm)
Sendmail: sendmail-8.13.1-2

Any suggestions would be much appreciated,

Cheers,
Stuart


From it at file-away.co.uk  Mon Aug 15 10:01:44 2005
From: it at file-away.co.uk (R J Ladyman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:01:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy and Headers
Message-ID: <200508150901.44228.it@file-away.co.uk>

I have tried searching the archives for this, but to no avail - my apologies 
it this has been covered.

I have enabled the options to hide details of posters to my lists - however, 
subscribers can view the email headers of messages from the lists and easily 
see who has sent not only the original message but, with the References 
field, see who sent earlier messages. The header fields that show this 
information are:

In-Reply-To:
References:

I have seen the FAQ entry on threading at:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.010.htp

but it makes no mention of the problems that this method of threading causes 
with regards to privacy settings. Is there a quick and easy fix or option 
setting that I have missed and can change to remove these header fields 
(bearing in mind that I still require archiving) or can someone point me at 
the relevant python script in my installation that I can modify to do so.

Mailman Version 2.1.5 / Linux

-- 

Robert Ladyman
Tel: +44 (0) 7732 771 649
Skype: rjlfile-away
http://www.file-away.co.uk

Sent to you via the Magach Wireless Network
http://www.file-away.co.uk/rlan.htm



From alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk  Mon Aug 15 13:37:30 2005
From: alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk (Alan Chandler)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:37:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Conflicting evidence in the logs
Message-ID: <E1E4dHW-0000ZK-5E@home.chandlerfamily.org.uk>

I have set up a mail to news gateway to news.eclipse.org.   As a spam 
protection this news server requires that you authenticate yourself to the 
news server.  Consequently I have set up NNTP_USERNAME and NNTP_PASSWORD in 
my mm_cfg.py file. 

I am definately receiving news via the gateway - several messages have from 
this group have arrived in my inbox - and a check with an independant 
newsreader confirms that you can only do this if you successfully 
authenticate. 

Last night, I thought I had successfully posted a message via the mailing 
list to the news server, but checking from another source this morning, it 
appears my message never reached it. 

Checking the logs in /var/log/mailman/error I find this entry 

Aug 14 21:47:12 2005 (2418) (NNTPDirect) NNTP error for list 
"eclipse-webtools": 480 Authentication required for command 

Which looks as though it is not even trying to login, rather than I made a 
mistake with username or password. 

Do I have to do any other steps to ensure that I am properly authenticated 
for messages to the news server, as opposed to news from it? 

 --
Alan Chandler
alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Aug 15 16:00:15 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:00:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman "To" address changes when posting
In-Reply-To: <46316.203.221.182.208.1124073353.squirrel@www.r3wt.net>
References: <46316.203.221.182.208.1124073353.squirrel@www.r3wt.net>
Message-ID: <p06200705bf26500a8574@[10.0.1.210]>

At 12:35 PM +1000 2005-08-15, Stuart wrote:

>  However, the the real FQDN of the server is "proxy.domain.com.au" and even
>  though emails are addressed to listname at lists.domain.com.au, they appear
>  in your inbox as listname at proxy.domain.com.au.  Is mailman changing this
>  in transit or is it somewhere else?

	You probably have lists.domain.com.au set up as a CNAME alias, 
pointing to proxy.domain.com.au, right?  Well, don't do that.  The 
RFCs require that any CNAME aliases be fully resolved before the 
message is sent, which will screw up your outgoing mail.  Make 
lists.domain.com.au resolve directly to an IP address, and that 
should work for you.

	But this has absolutely nothing to do with Mailman.  This is an 
MTA/DNS problem, and there's absolutely nothing that Mailman can do 
to help.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Aug 15 16:07:58 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:07:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy and Headers
In-Reply-To: <200508150901.44228.it@file-away.co.uk>
References: <200508150901.44228.it@file-away.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06200706bf265084a204@[10.0.1.210]>

At 9:01 AM +0100 2005-08-15, R J Ladyman wrote:

>  I have enabled the options to hide details of posters to my lists - however,
>  subscribers can view the email headers of messages from the lists and easily
>  see who has sent not only the original message but, with the References
>  field, see who sent earlier messages. The header fields that show this
>  information are:
>
>  In-Reply-To:
>  References:

	These headers do not expose any privacy information.  They merely 
reference messages that were previously sent.  Moreover, Mailman 
doesn't construct them -- the Mail User Agents (Eudora, 
Outlook/Exchange, whatever) create these headers, and Mailman 
preserves them in order to preserve threading.


	If you feel the need to sanitize these headers, you're going to 
have to write a fair amount of code to sanitize them on inbound, and 
to make sure that they get properly preserved in their sanitized 
state every time they, or replies to them, cross the mailing list. 
Oh, and you're going to need to sanitize them in the message bodies, 
and elsewhere in the message-headers, because these two headers are 
not the only places where the contents of the Message-ID: header is 
sometimes referenced.

	In all likelihood, you're going to have to create a database to 
track inbound message-ids and their sanitized outbound versions, and 
make sure to always replace them in the appropriate manner everywhere 
they are found.  A simple hash-based scheme won't work due to the 
high probability of header collision.

	And this isn't going to do anything for all those messages where 
someone replies privately to one or more of the recipients, as well 
as posting a public copy of the message.  If authorities want to get 
that information, they can just go after the private unsanitized 
copies, based on the information you have in your sanitized versions, 
and which you cannot eliminate without eliminating the very content 
of the messages themselves.


	Being truly paranoid about this sort of thing is going to prove 
to be very expensive, time consuming, and difficult to ensure that 
there aren't any holes.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From it at file-away.co.uk  Mon Aug 15 19:18:39 2005
From: it at file-away.co.uk (R J Ladyman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:18:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy and Headers
In-Reply-To: <p06200706bf265084a204@[10.0.1.210]>
References: <200508150901.44228.it@file-away.co.uk>
	<p06200706bf265084a204@[10.0.1.210]>
Message-ID: <200508151818.40174.it@file-away.co.uk>

Dear Brad, 

Many thanks for taking the time to reply, very helpful.

The headers expose the sender address and domain (the message-ID does the 
latter, of course), which makes the 'hide sender...' option a bit confusing.
I must have misunderstood the thinking behind the "Hide the sender of a 
message...." and the related privacy settings - could you explain them? (I 
was hoping that it would also mean that users wouldn't be able to reply 
privately to each other, because the messages' provenances would be totally 
hidden.) 

Could you give me some pointers to the relevant Mailman files I would need to 
modify for the changes you suggested? Note that I'm not worried about 
preserving threading, or more correctly, the anonymisation requirement 
outweighs that of threading. 

The anonymity is neither related to authorities nor paranoia, it's a user 
requirement based on what they were previously using. At the moment, I have 
added the 'edit email' patch so that I can trim out the headers by hand 
(also, I can remove any disclaimer text and signatures that way). It's also 
useful for testing what can and cannot be removed.

RJL

-- 

Robert Ladyman
Tel: +44 (0) 7732 771 649
Skype: rjlfile-away
http://www.file-away.co.uk

Sent to you via the Magach Wireless Network
http://www.file-away.co.uk/rlan.htm



From mballard at elmolino.org  Mon Aug 15 19:58:59 2005
From: mballard at elmolino.org (Mark Ballard)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:58:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin user stopped working
Message-ID: <1C835B9D-AE3F-4298-A05D-C0C8BA75F181@elmolino.org>

For some reason my admin user stopped working for my mail lists.
I created a new admin user with a new email address and it works  
fine. I deleted the old admin user and tried to rejoin as just a  
regular user with the same admin user email address. Everything looks  
fine but it does not send a confirmation to the old admin address and  
when I go to the admindb it doesn't show anyone waiting to be confirmed.

Any ideas what can cause this.

I am running OS X 10.3.9 server

Thanks,




Mark Ballard
Site Technology Specialist
El Molino High School
http://www.elmolino.org



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Aug 15 21:37:13 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:37:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy and Headers
In-Reply-To: <200508151818.40174.it@file-away.co.uk>
References: <200508150901.44228.it@file-away.co.uk>
	<p06200706bf265084a204@[10.0.1.210]>
	<200508151818.40174.it@file-away.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p0620070cbf269cd885f6@[10.0.1.210]>

At 6:18 PM +0100 2005-08-15, R J Ladyman wrote:

>  The headers expose the sender address and domain (the message-ID does the
>  latter, of course), which makes the 'hide sender...' option a bit confusing.
>  I must have misunderstood the thinking behind the "Hide the sender of a
>  message...." and the related privacy settings - could you explain them?

	It only modifies the headers which are directly related to the 
sender's identity.  I'd have to check the code, but it could be as 
simple as only touching the "From:" header, or it might be a bit more 
intelligent and also modify the "Sender:" header, and possibly also 
the "Return-Path:", and maybe all the related "X-" and "Original-" 
headers that also correspond.

	However, without looking at the code, I suspect it's just the 
"From:" header.

>  (I was hoping that it would also mean that users wouldn't be able to reply
>  privately to each other, because the messages' provenances would be totally
>  hidden.)

	There is nothing on Earth that you can do to keep the users from 
privately replying to each other.  Even if you force them all to use 
your proprietary anonymizing mail system, they could still reply to 
each other privately.  Even if you force them to access everything 
through your proprietary web interface, they could always cut-n-paste 
information from the headers into a new message.

	There is nothing you can do to stop a truly determined user who 
wants to reply privately to another user.

>  Could you give me some pointers to the relevant Mailman files I would need to
>  modify for the changes you suggested? Note that I'm not worried about
>  preserving threading, or more correctly, the anonymisation requirement
>  outweighs that of threading.

	I'm not a programmer, so I can't give you a whole lot in the way 
of details.  However, based solely on my knowledge of the 
complexities of Internet e-mail, I can tell you that the whole issue 
of anonymity in e-mail is a much, much harder nut to crack than most 
anyone ever gives it credit for.

>  The anonymity is neither related to authorities nor paranoia, it's a user
>  requirement based on what they were previously using.

	Then you might want to look at the code of what they were 
previously using, and see how that compares to the Python code 
currently in Mailman.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From jane at jftwd.com  Tue Aug 16 01:39:22 2005
From: jane at jftwd.com (jane at jftwd.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:39:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: how to create a member list
Message-ID: <001401c5a1f2$90e71cb0$0301a8c0@D513LG21>

 

How can I create a list of all members for a maillist?  Thanks, Jane

 



From morgan at websquad.com  Tue Aug 16 03:24:54 2005
From: morgan at websquad.com (Bob Morgan)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:24:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe Options
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050815212029.01ea1bf8@mail.iglou.com>

I'm a Mailman beginner, and have only configured one such system.  In my 
second system, I'd like to be able to unsubscribe _without_ going to the 
http://domain.org/mailman/options/maillist_domain.org page.  I'd like for 
the unsubscribing user to simple get their Email and reply to the Email to 
get fully unsubscribed.  Shortof being able to do this, I'd like to be able 
to customize the /options/ page to make it more user friendly; however, I 
don't know how to do that.

FYI, I use a shared hosting service and am unable to use commands to modify 
anything on my system.

Thanks,

Bob Morgan
<><




From n2nov at arrl.net  Tue Aug 16 06:01:48 2005
From: n2nov at arrl.net (Charles J. Hargrove)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:01:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 Problem
Message-ID: <4301652C.B8C5F59D@arrl.net>

I have 2.1.6 installed on a Mandrake 10.0 box.  The problem that I have is
eventhough I can successfully create a number of mailing lists, I get no
errors or mailings when sending a test message to them.  Each mailing list
does have user addresses to deliver to.  I am also running Postfix on it.
Any ideas where I should look into so that I can resolve it?  Thanks.

-- 
Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV
NYC ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.
US Coast Guard Auxiliary Flotilla 5-10 Comms Officer

NYC-ARECS/RACES Net Mon. @ 8:30PM 147.360/107.2 PL
http://www.nyc-arecs.org and http://www.nyc-races.org

NYDXA SWL & Scanner Net Wed. @ 9PM 147.360/107.2 PL
http://www.n2nov.net

"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through 
the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified 
borders." - Ronald Reagan


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 16 06:12:42 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:12:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 Problem
In-Reply-To: <4301652C.B8C5F59D@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508152112420765346a16a7@msapiro>

Charles J. Hargrove wrote:

>I have 2.1.6 installed on a Mandrake 10.0 box.  The problem that I have is
>eventhough I can successfully create a number of mailing lists, I get no
>errors or mailings when sending a test message to them.  Each mailing list
>does have user addresses to deliver to.  I am also running Postfix on it.
>Any ideas where I should look into so that I can resolve it?  Thanks.


Start with
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
article 3.14

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 16 06:16:09 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:16:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: how to create a member list
In-Reply-To: <001401c5a1f2$90e71cb0$0301a8c0@D513LG21>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508152116090859346a16e4@msapiro>

jane at jftwd.com wrote:
>
>How can I create a list of all members for a maillist?  Thanks, Jane

bin/list_members

Or if you don't have sufficient access to the Mailman installation, see
http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#throughtheweb

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Aug 16 08:32:13 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:32:13 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe Options
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050815212029.01ea1bf8@mail.iglou.com>
References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050815212029.01ea1bf8@mail.iglou.com>
Message-ID: <92DFBEAD-5566-4CE0-80A5-B79B5BBE786D@onjapan.net>

On Aug 16, 2005, at 10:24, Bob Morgan wrote:
> [...]
> second system, I'd like to be able to unsubscribe _without_ going  
> to the
> http://domain.org/mailman/options/maillist_domain.org page.  I'd  
> like for
> the unsubscribing user to simple get their Email and reply to the  
> Email to
> get fully unsubscribed.

Your users should be able to unsubscribe by mailing to the listname- 
request at example.com address with the Subject: unsubscribe (as  
indicated in the headers of each of the list messages).  They can  
also mail to listname-unsubscribe or listname-leave addresses.

>   Shortof being able to do this, I'd like to be able
> to customize the /options/ page to make it more user friendly;  
> however, I
> don't know how to do that.

If know a way to make it more user friendly, you can edit the options  
page for your list using the administrative web interface.  Beneath  
the "Edit the public HTML pages and text files" item of the "Other  
Administrative Actions" list you will find a link that will let you  
edit the "User specific options" page.


-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman





From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Aug 16 08:52:53 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:52:53 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy and Headers
In-Reply-To: <200508151818.40174.it@file-away.co.uk>
References: <200508150901.44228.it@file-away.co.uk>
	<p06200706bf265084a204@[10.0.1.210]>
	<200508151818.40174.it@file-away.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6227105C-8499-42BE-A817-BF0588E00A3B@onjapan.net>

On Aug 16, 2005, at 02:18, R J Ladyman wrote:

> The headers expose the sender address and domain (the message-ID  
> does the
> latter, of course), which makes the 'hide sender...' option a bit  
> confusing.

Your users could configure their MUAs not to put specific information  
in their message IDs.  :-)

> Could you give me some pointers to the relevant Mailman files I  
> would need to
> modify for the changes you suggested? Note that I'm not worried about
> preserving threading, or more correctly, the anonymisation requirement

You could modify Mailman/Headers/Cleanse.py to strip/modify the  
Message-Id header.

I would worry about generating mail loops with badly designed auto  
responders (especially if they don't preserve Mailman's 'been-there'  
header).

(Note that the Scrubber stage of the message pipeline bases its hash  
on the Message-Id, so it might be better to add a custom stage  
earlier in the pipeline to remove the Message-Id and generate a new  
one.)


-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman





From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Aug 16 09:07:46 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:07:46 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin user stopped working
In-Reply-To: <1C835B9D-AE3F-4298-A05D-C0C8BA75F181@elmolino.org>
References: <1C835B9D-AE3F-4298-A05D-C0C8BA75F181@elmolino.org>
Message-ID: <818B9311-5D30-4F47-B040-65C9466BA441@onjapan.net>

On Aug 16, 2005, at 02:58, Mark Ballard wrote:

> For some reason my admin user stopped working for my mail lists.

Have you checked the mail server logs to make certain the  
administrative mail is not being sent?

> I created a new admin user with a new email address and it works
> fine. I deleted the old admin user and tried to rejoin as just a
> regular user with the same admin user email address. Everything looks
> fine but it does not send a confirmation to the old admin address and
> when I go to the admindb it doesn't show anyone waiting to be  
> confirmed.

Is the list configured to require administrative approval to  
subscribe?  If not, then you won't see anyone "waiting to be  
confirmed" via the administrative web interface.

Do the logs show the mail being sent?  Any clues in the Mailman  
'subscribe' or 'vette' logs?

It may be worth noting that there is not really an 'admin user' email  
address.  Each list has 'owner' (and optionally, 'moderator') email  
addresses that can be notified by mail when lists require certain  
actions.  What determines access to parts of the administrative  
interface is the password... either a list administrator password or  
list moderator password (or the site password).

 From your problem description, it sounds like you are having trouble  
sending mail to a particular address... and it just happens to be to  
an address that was previously listed as a list owner (or moderator).

-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman





From jrlamar at owu.edu  Tue Aug 16 15:12:58 2005
From: jrlamar at owu.edu (Jason LaMar)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:12:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BCC to non-member poster ...
Message-ID: <BF275E9A.C2EA%jrlamar@owu.edu>

I'm probably just overlooking a configuration setting, but I was wondering
if it's possible to automatically BCC (preferably) or CC non-members when
their postings to a list are distributed.

I'm on a college campus, and we're using Mailman to distribute messages to
specific groups (students, faculty, etc.). Often, students will send a
message to faculty/staff members ... or vice versa ... so they aren't part
of the list membership.

Of course, since all postings are moderated and require approval, the list
admins could just notify the sender when a message has been distributed. But
I was looking for an automated method.



Thanks,

Jason

_________________________

Jason LaMar
Interim Director of Information Services
Libraries and Information Services
Ohio Wesleyan University; Delaware, OH 43015
Tel: 740-368-3131, Fax: 740-368-3272, Web: http://www.owu.edu/




From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Aug 16 15:40:08 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:40:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BCC to non-member poster ...
In-Reply-To: <BF275E9A.C2EA%jrlamar@owu.edu>
References: <BF275E9A.C2EA%jrlamar@owu.edu>
Message-ID: <p06200700bf279ca84ba7@[10.0.1.210]>

At 9:12 AM -0400 2005-08-16, Jason LaMar wrote:

>  I'm probably just overlooking a configuration setting, but I was wondering
>  if it's possible to automatically BCC (preferably) or CC non-members when
>  their postings to a list are distributed.

	Nope, not without source code modifications.  Feel free to go to 
the SourceForge Mailman Request For Enhancement page at 
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103> and file 
an RFE.

	Of course, there's no guarantee that any such feature will ever 
be added, so if you've got a patch that would provide the necessary 
functionality then that will greatly increase the chances that this 
RFE will be addressed.  But, this is the only way to get the requests 
into the system, so that they can be tracked.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 16 17:36:39 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:36:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Conflicting evidence in the logs
In-Reply-To: <E1E4dHW-0000ZK-5E@home.chandlerfamily.org.uk>
Message-ID: <PC17402005081608363907034e2f6ee6@msapiro>

Alan Chandler wrote:
>
>Checking the logs in /var/log/mailman/error I find this entry 
>
>Aug 14 21:47:12 2005 (2418) (NNTPDirect) NNTP error for list 
>"eclipse-webtools": 480 Authentication required for command 
>
>Which looks as though it is not even trying to login, rather than I made a 
>mistake with username or password. 
>
>Do I have to do any other steps to ensure that I am properly authenticated 
>for messages to the news server, as opposed to news from it? 


The NNTP posting code in Mailman/Queue/NewsRunner.py is (except for
indentation level):

        try:
            nntp_host, nntp_port = Utils.nntpsplit(mlist.nntp_host)
            conn = nntplib.NNTP(nntp_host, nntp_port,
                                readermode=True,
                                user=mm_cfg.NNTP_USERNAME,
                                password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD)
            conn.post(fp)
        except nntplib.error_temp, e:
            syslog('error',
                   '(NNTPDirect) NNTP error for list "%s": %s',
                   mlist.internal_name(), e)
        except socket.error, e:
            syslog('error',
                   '(NNTPDirect) socket error for list "%s": %s',
                   mlist.internal_name(), e)


The exact same nntplib.NNTP() class instantiation is used by
cron/gate_news to open a connection to the NNTP server to retrieve
messages. See http://docs.python.org/lib/module-nntplib.html for more
info on nntplib.NNTP().

If it works properly in gate_news, it seems it should work in
NewsRunner.py. You might try posting directly from an interactive
Python session using something like

>>>import nntplib
>>>f = open('path_to_file_containing_post_with_aqppropriate_headers')
>>>msg = f.read()
>>>conn = nntplib.NNTP('news.example.com', 119, readermode=True,
...                    user='user_name', password='password')
>>>conn.set_debuglevel(2)
>>>conn.post(msg)
>>>conn.quit()

And see if that gives more insight.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From matto.scacco at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 18:22:29 2005
From: matto.scacco at gmail.com (ScaccoMatto)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:22:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hello !
Message-ID: <155ea88205081609227525ec18@mail.gmail.com>

Hello I'm ScaccoMatto and I are Italian and that why I not have a very
good English. I are a user of GNU/Linux by a year and dis OS is the my
passion. I follow the GNU project and the hacker and geek culture and
that why I are in this mailing list.

By,

                                                            ScaccoMatto
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From S.Addams at syzygy.net  Tue Aug 16 18:43:52 2005
From: S.Addams at syzygy.net (Sarah Addams)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:43:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Replicating a Mailman List Set...
Message-ID: <F42237B409AD034380E407BEEF5D6016CE2D1A@lon01ex.lon-gb.syzygy.intern>

Hi,

 

I'd like to be able to replicate the mailman setup on a live primary
mail server, to a quiescent secondary. I'm prepared to shut down the
live server's mailman processes for the few seconds necessary to carry
out the rsync replication, and, I'm also prepared to run batch edits on
the secondary tree to change all references to the primary.

 

Does anyone have any useful advice? - files and filetypes to include or
avoid, for example...

 

Thanks.



From forrie at forrie.com  Tue Aug 16 20:57:53 2005
From: forrie at forrie.com (Forrest Aldrich)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:57:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
Message-ID: <43023731.9070603@forrie.com>

The Mailman instance I have installed runs under one primary domain - 
however, I want to set up a list that uses a different TLD (routed 
properly at our MX servers).

What's the proper way to get this working under Mailman, where it 
respects the virtual TLD, not posting the default TLD onto it?


Thanks.



From hjb at pollux.franken.de  Tue Aug 16 21:59:34 2005
From: hjb at pollux.franken.de (Hans-Juergen Beie)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:59:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <43023731.9070603@forrie.com>
References: <43023731.9070603@forrie.com>
Message-ID: <430245A6.60101@pollux.franken.de>

Forrest Aldrich wrote on 16.08.2005 20:57:

> The Mailman instance I have installed runs under one primary domain - 
> however, I want to set up a list that uses a different TLD (routed 
> properly at our MX servers).
> 
> What's the proper way to get this working under Mailman, where it 
> respects the virtual TLD, not posting the default TLD onto it?

In mm_cfg.py you should have something like this...

-----> cut here >-----------------------
#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Default domain for email addresses of newly created MLs
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.primary-domain.tld'
#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Default host for web interface of newly created MLs
DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'lists.primary-domain.tld'
#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Required when setting any of its arguments.
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

add_virtualhost('lists.virtual1.tld', 'mail.virtual1.tld')
add_virtualhost('lists.virtual2.tld', 'mail.virtual2.tld')
add_virtualhost('lists.virtual3.tld', 'mail.virtual3.tld')
...
-----< cut here <-----------------------

lists.*.tld and mail.*.tld may be the same host. That depends on your setup.

hjb :-?


From morgan at websquad.com  Wed Aug 17 01:52:08 2005
From: morgan at websquad.com (Bob Morgan)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:52:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] who question
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050816194859.01d1f158@mail.iglou.com>

I have a small test list with just four entries.  I tried to test the who 
command by sending an Email to

         listname-request at icfpp.org

with the subject

         who admpassword

and got the following response:


>The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>original message.
>
>- Results:
>     Usage:
>
>     who
>         See everyone who is on this mailing list.
>
>
>- Done.



What I didn't get back was the list of the four test entries.  What did I 
do wrong?

bob




From jwt at OnJapan.net  Wed Aug 17 02:06:48 2005
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:06:48 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] who question
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050816194859.01d1f158@mail.iglou.com>
References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050816194859.01d1f158@mail.iglou.com>
Message-ID: <20050817000648.GD23945@server.onjapan.net>

On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 07:52:08PM -0400, Bob Morgan wrote:
> I have a small test list with just four entries.  I tried to test the who 
> command by sending an Email to
> 
>          listname-request at icfpp.org
> 
> with the subject
> 
>          who admpassword
> 
> and got the following response:
[...]
> >     who
> >         See everyone who is on this mailing list.

The help suggests your list is configured to have a public
roster.  Did you try sending simply 'who' rather than including
a password argument?


-- 
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Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman


From forrie at forrie.com  Wed Aug 17 03:50:06 2005
From: forrie at forrie.com (Forrest Aldrich)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:50:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <430245A6.60101@pollux.franken.de>
References: <43023731.9070603@forrie.com> <430245A6.60101@pollux.franken.de>
Message-ID: <430297CE.1030902@forrie.com>

Thank you for your response.

The virtual domain we're using will be MX'd to our hosts, but served 
"virtually" via Mailman.   In otherwords:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = ourdomain.com

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = www.ourdomain.com

[ ... ]

I'm not sure what I'd put here for add_virtualhost():

add_virtualhost('virtual.com', DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

?


Thanks...


Hans-Juergen Beie wrote:

>Forrest Aldrich wrote on 16.08.2005 20:57:
>
>  
>
>>The Mailman instance I have installed runs under one primary domain - 
>>however, I want to set up a list that uses a different TLD (routed 
>>properly at our MX servers).
>>
>>What's the proper way to get this working under Mailman, where it 
>>respects the virtual TLD, not posting the default TLD onto it?
>>    
>>
>
>In mm_cfg.py you should have something like this...
>
>-----> cut here >-----------------------
>#-------------------------------------------------------------
># Default domain for email addresses of newly created MLs
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.primary-domain.tld'
>#-------------------------------------------------------------
># Default host for web interface of newly created MLs
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'lists.primary-domain.tld'
>#-------------------------------------------------------------
># Required when setting any of its arguments.
>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
>add_virtualhost('lists.virtual1.tld', 'mail.virtual1.tld')
>add_virtualhost('lists.virtual2.tld', 'mail.virtual2.tld')
>add_virtualhost('lists.virtual3.tld', 'mail.virtual3.tld')
>...
>-----< cut here <-----------------------
>
>lists.*.tld and mail.*.tld may be the same host. That depends on your setup.
>
>hjb :-?
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>  
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From msapiro at value.net  Wed Aug 17 04:36:07 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:36:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <430297CE.1030902@forrie.com>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508161936070093241fcca4@msapiro>

Forrest Aldrich wrote:
>
>The virtual domain we're using will be MX'd to our hosts, but served 
>"virtually" via Mailman.   In otherwords:
>
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = ourdomain.com
>
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = www.ourdomain.com
>
>[ ... ]
>
>I'm not sure what I'd put here for add_virtualhost():
>
>add_virtualhost('virtual.com', DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
>?

If DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST were set to what you want
when you ran configure, they will be correct in Defaults.py and the

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

that's in Defaults.py will also make the correct 'default' entry in the
VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary.

In this case, re-stating

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'ourdomain.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.ourdomain.com'

(note the required quotes), and

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

in mm_cfg.py is unnecessary, but probably good documentation.

If DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST are not correct in
Defaults.py, then you should have

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'ourdomain.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.ourdomain.com'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

in mm_cfg.py. The VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() line removes the incorrect
entry from VIRTUAL_HOSTS that was added in Defaults.py.

Then, following the above you need

add_virtualhost('virtual.url.domain', 'virtual.email.domain')

where virtual.url.domain is the domain in
http://virtual.url.domain/mailman/listinfo, i.e., the URL of the
listinfo page that you want to show those public lists that are in
that virtual domain, and virtual.email.domain is the domain for e-mail
to those lists as in listname at virtual.email.domain,
listname-request at virtual.email.domain, etc.

Note that 'virtual.url.domain' must be different from
'www.ourdomain.com' or else the second add_virtualhost() entry will
just replace the first.

I am not sure just what you want. If you want all lists to have the
same web domain and only want their e-mail domains to be different,
then you don't want to use Mailman's virtual hosts feature. You just
want DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and you can change the
e-mail domain of a list after creating it by changing the host_name
(Host name this list prefers for email.) attribute on the list's
General Options page.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From BIConsulting at blackiris.com  Wed Aug 17 05:16:24 2005
From: BIConsulting at blackiris.com (David Scribner)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:16:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions about Mass Subscriptions
Message-ID: <p06230920bf285ada5de6@[67.103.160.115]>

I'm in the process of moving lists over to my Mailman server from 
another list server.  I can get an exported list of subscribers from 
that server but I need to know the format for the file for use with a 
Mass Subscription to the Mailman Server.

The export from the old list server is in the format of:

First Name Last Name <tab> address


Can Mailman import the list that way and associate the person's name 
with the address?

Also, some of the people are Digest subscribers and the current list 
server has them as a separate subscription list.  Is there some way 
that I can do a Mass Subscription of those addresses and have them 
all set to be Digest Subscribers or do I need to add them and then go 
through the list of Subscribers and set them to Digest manually?

Thanks for your help

David Scribner
BI Consulting


From msapiro at value.net  Wed Aug 17 05:35:17 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:35:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions about Mass Subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <p06230920bf285ada5de6@[67.103.160.115]>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508162035170875330bb19c@msapiro>

David Scribner wrote:
>
>The export from the old list server is in the format of:
>
>First Name Last Name <tab> address
>
>
>Can Mailman import the list that way and associate the person's name 
>with the address?


Not exactly. You will need to edit the list to put angle brackets
around the address as

First Name Last Name <address>

See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.044.htp
for various acceptable formats.


>Also, some of the people are Digest subscribers and the current list 
>server has them as a separate subscription list.  Is there some way 
>that I can do a Mass Subscription of those addresses and have them 
>all set to be Digest Subscribers or do I need to add them and then go 
>through the list of Subscribers and set them to Digest manually?


Do the mass subscribe in two steps. Go to the Digest options page and
set "Which delivery mode is the default for new users?"
(digest_is_default) to Digest and then mass subscribe the digest list.
Then set "Which delivery mode is the default for new users?" to
Regular and mass subscribe the non-digest list.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From hjb at pollux.franken.de  Wed Aug 17 14:10:44 2005
From: hjb at pollux.franken.de (Hans-Juergen Beie)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:10:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <430297CE.1030902@forrie.com>
References: <43023731.9070603@forrie.com> <430245A6.60101@pollux.franken.de> 
	<430297CE.1030902@forrie.com>
Message-ID: <54287.217.194.34.123.1124280644.squirrel@www.linef.net>

> The virtual domain we're using will be MX'd to our hosts, but served
"virtually" via Mailman.   In otherwords:
>
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = ourdomain.com
>
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = www.ourdomain.com
>
> [ ... ]
>
> I'm not sure what I'd put here for add_virtualhost():
>
> add_virtualhost('virtual.com', DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
> ?

I assume that you intend to setup a mailinglist for the domain virtual.com
having a web interface like http://lists.virtual.com/... or
http:/www.virtual.com/mailman/...

The URL_HOST parameter in mm_cfg.py points to Mailman's web interface for
that list. Usually this is a host name or, at least, it should resolve to
the web host Mailman is running on.

The EMAIL_HOST entry points to the MX server which should accept and
deliver mails for the list. If you omit the second parameter, then Mailman
tries to guess the domain by stripping the first part of the dot-separated
FQDN of the URL_HOST. If that's not what you want, then specify either a
host (FQDN) or a domain as EMAIL_HOST.

I myself didn't try to use domain names here (always used FQDN hosts), but
you'll find some hints here:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp
(Look for 'Virtual host issues')

Mailman uses both values to fill up its html and mail templates and to
assemble the various URLs for the web interface. Therefore, it's a good
practice to use the virtual domain names for both, if possible, because
your list members won't be more confused than necessary ;) But that
requires correspondig DNS entries and vhosts of your web server.

In Mailman's terms the "virtual domains" issue means that it's possible to
use different host/domain names for different lists, and that lists can be
run over different MX hosts, optionally. Additionally, the virtual domain
setup keeps lists in different domains separated from each other (and
that's new as of Mailman 2.1, I think). In other words: If one connects to
http://lists.virtual.com the lists of primary.com or other-virtual.com
hosted on the same server won't be seen.

> Thanks...

HTH
hjb :-?

> Hans-Juergen Beie wrote:
>
>>Forrest Aldrich wrote on 16.08.2005 20:57:
>>>The Mailman instance I have installed runs under one primary domain -
however, I want to set up a list that uses a different TLD (routed
properly at our MX servers).
>>>What's the proper way to get this working under Mailman, where it
respects the virtual TLD, not posting the default TLD onto it?
>>In mm_cfg.py you should have something like this...
>>-----> cut here >-----------------------
>>#-------------------------------------------------------------
>># Default domain for email addresses of newly created MLs
>>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.primary-domain.tld'
>>#-------------------------------------------------------------
>># Default host for web interface of newly created MLs
>>DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'lists.primary-domain.tld'
>>#-------------------------------------------------------------
>># Required when setting any of its arguments.
>>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>>add_virtualhost('lists.virtual1.tld', 'mail.virtual1.tld')
>>add_virtualhost('lists.virtual2.tld', 'mail.virtual2.tld')
>>add_virtualhost('lists.virtual3.tld', 'mail.virtual3.tld')
>>...
>>-----< cut here <-----------------------
>>lists.*.tld and mail.*.tld may be the same host. That depends on your
>> setup.
>>hjb :-?








From zshonig at mizzou.edu  Wed Aug 17 17:10:16 2005
From: zshonig at mizzou.edu (Zach Honig)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:10:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not going through
Message-ID: <BF28BD88.2C2C%zshonig@mizzou.edu>

Hi there,

I'm using mailman 2.1.5pl on my hasweb hosted server. One list has only a
dozen or so members. On that list messages go through all the time. The
other list has over 500 and no messages seem to be going through. They make
it to the archive.

Thank you for your help.

-Zach Honig




From msapiro at value.net  Wed Aug 17 17:23:40 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:23:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not going through
In-Reply-To: <BF28BD88.2C2C%zshonig@mizzou.edu>
Message-ID: <PC174020050817082340089051db1042@msapiro>

Zach Honig wrote:
>
>I'm using mailman 2.1.5pl on my hasweb hosted server. One list has only a
>dozen or so members. On that list messages go through all the time. The
>other list has over 500 and no messages seem to be going through. They make
>it to the archive.

There is likely some issue with the outgoing MTA not accepting MAIL
transactions with 'too many' recipients.

Normally, you would look in Mailman's 'smtp' and 'smtp-failure' logs
for relevant messages and you would adjust the MTA or set
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to a smaller value than the default 500 in mm_cfg.py,
but since this is a hosted server, you probably have to deal with the
hosting provider.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From forrie at forrie.com  Wed Aug 17 20:45:16 2005
From: forrie at forrie.com (Forrest Aldrich)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:45:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <54287.217.194.34.123.1124280644.squirrel@www.linef.net>
References: <43023731.9070603@forrie.com> <430245A6.60101@pollux.franken.de>
	<430297CE.1030902@forrie.com>
	<54287.217.194.34.123.1124280644.squirrel@www.linef.net>
Message-ID: <430385BC.8060601@forrie.com>

Let me clarify my setup.

Our list server is at http://www.ourdomain.com/lists.   The default
domain we want added to new lists is "ourdomain.com".   However, we have
another domain that we want to use for a special list that we need to
add to this mix.   In such a way that the domain name is preserved in
the headers.

So we MX that newdomain.com to our inbound MX hosts, and forward (via
standard mailman aliases) to the MTA instance on the lists machine,
which is in the ourdomain.com domain.

So I want to have:

users-discuss at newdomain.com

on our Mailman instance that otherwise would have:

another-list at ourdomain.com
this-list at ourdomain.com

Is that more clear?


Thanks.





From skelley at hawthornedirect.com  Wed Aug 17 21:59:46 2005
From: skelley at hawthornedirect.com (Stephen S Kelley)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:59:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] maximum size of mailman .mbox files
Message-ID: <20050817200345.09DD11E4002@bag.python.org>

I'm wondering how large one can let the mailman .mbox files grow safely. One
has grown to 428MB with no sign of problems. I am able to rebuild the
archive though it takes a while. I'm running mailman 2.1.5 on fedora2 and
the box has ample resources. Are there any OS problems a 2GB?
 
Thanks
 
Dr. Stephen S. Kelley
CTO, hawthorne direct inc
skelley at hawthornedirect.com 
  _____  

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solely for the use of the recipient(s) named above.  If you are not the
intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential
communication to the intended recipient, you have received this
communication in error, and any review, dissemination, distribution or
copying is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this confidential
communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return email
and permanently delete the original message (and any attachments) without
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From hjb at pollux.franken.de  Thu Aug 18 00:19:16 2005
From: hjb at pollux.franken.de (Hans-Juergen Beie)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:19:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <430385BC.8060601@forrie.com>
References: <43023731.9070603@forrie.com>
	<430245A6.60101@pollux.franken.de>	<430297CE.1030902@forrie.com>	<54287.217.194.34.123.1124280644.squirrel@www.linef.net>
	<430385BC.8060601@forrie.com>
Message-ID: <4303B7E4.4070804@pollux.franken.de>

Forrest Aldrich wrote on 17.08.2005 20:45 Uhr:
> Let me clarify my setup.
> 
> Our list server is at http://www.ourdomain.com/lists.   The default
> domain we want added to new lists is "ourdomain.com".   However, we have
> another domain that we want to use for a special list that we need to
> add to this mix.   In such a way that the domain name is preserved in
> the headers.
> 
> So we MX that newdomain.com to our inbound MX hosts, and forward (via
> standard mailman aliases) to the MTA instance on the lists machine,
> which is in the ourdomain.com domain.
> 
> So I want to have:
> 
> users-discuss at newdomain.com

Then use add_virtualhost(URL_HOST, 'newdomain.com')

> on our Mailman instance that otherwise would have:
> 
> another-list at ourdomain.com
> this-list at ourdomain.com
> 
> Is that more clear?

Yes and no. What about the URL_HOST?
Should your list server present this list as 
http://www.ourdomain.com/lists/user-discuss or like 
http://www.newdomain.com/lists/user-discuss?

In the first case use
   add_virtualhost('www.ourdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')
otherwise use
   add_virtualhost('www.newdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')
and setup a vhost for www.newdomain.com on the web server of your lists 
host.

In both cases your MTA on the lists machine should treat newdomain.com 
as virtual domain.

> Thanks.

hjb :-?


From mwolske at uiuc.edu  Thu Aug 18 01:26:36 2005
From: mwolske at uiuc.edu (Martin Wolske)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:26:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in gateway_to_mail processing
Message-ID: <4303C7AC.1060103@uiuc.edu>

We have run into a problem with the gateway_to_mail function in our 
Mailman 2.1.4 install on our Redhat Linux server that seems to have 
begun recently.  Unfortunately, we can't pinpoint the exact time or 
cause of the problem.  Each of our lists performing nntp gating was 
properly gating news to and from our local news server when this was 
setup earlier this year.  However, recently we began getting reports 
that some postings to the newsgroups were not being gated to the 
corresponding mailing lists. 

After quite a bit of diagnostics, it appears that only 9 of the 63 lists 
are being processed by cron/gate_news.  Further, I made a modification 
to have gate_news write to syslog all lists that are being checked to 
see if gateway_to_mail is true; it looks as if only a fraction of all 
our lists are being checked.  In one case I created a new list, 
testing2, and used config_lists to make sure it's configuration was 
identical, except in name, to testing.  However, only testing was listed 
by my modified gate_news as being checked to see if gateway_to_mail was 
true; testing2 was completely ignored as a list by cron/gate_news.  This 
in spite of confirming using dumpdb that both lists .pck files are 
identical.

I've followed through the code to see where, in Site.py, it checks for 
lists in the mm_cfg.py default directory.  The lists are all in the same 
directory tree.  They all show up in the list_lists listing.  Why would 
it be that Utils.list_names might be listing only a subset of our 
lists?  Any pointers on what to try to diagnose this problem would be 
greatly appreciated.  These are production lists for our school and 
we're anxious to get this problem fixed.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Aug 18 01:39:15 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 01:39:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] maximum size of mailman .mbox files
In-Reply-To: <20050817200345.09DD11E4002@bag.python.org>
References: <20050817200345.09DD11E4002@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <p06200701bf297abd7cee@[10.0.1.210]>

At 2:59 PM -0500 2005-08-17, Stephen S Kelley wrote:

>  I'm wondering how large one can let the mailman .mbox files grow safely. One
>  has grown to 428MB with no sign of problems. I am able to rebuild the
>  archive though it takes a while.

	There is no built in limit to mailbox size within Mailman.

>                                   I'm running mailman 2.1.5 on fedora2 and
>  the box has ample resources. Are there any OS problems a 2GB?

	Dunno.  But you'd be more likely to get an answer to your 
question if you used resources appropriate to your OS.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Aug 18 02:23:13 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:23:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <4303B7E4.4070804@pollux.franken.de>
Message-ID: <PC174020050817172313003163c4b90c@msapiro>

Hans-Juergen Beie wrote:

>Forrest Aldrich wrote on 17.08.2005 20:45 Uhr:
>> Let me clarify my setup.
>> 
>> Our list server is at http://www.ourdomain.com/lists.   The default
>> domain we want added to new lists is "ourdomain.com".   However, we have
>> another domain that we want to use for a special list that we need to
>> add to this mix.   In such a way that the domain name is preserved in
>> the headers.
>> 
>> So we MX that newdomain.com to our inbound MX hosts, and forward (via
>> standard mailman aliases) to the MTA instance on the lists machine,
>> which is in the ourdomain.com domain.
>> 
>> So I want to have:
>> 
>> users-discuss at newdomain.com
>
>Then use add_virtualhost(URL_HOST, 'newdomain.com')
>
>> on our Mailman instance that otherwise would have:
>> 
>> another-list at ourdomain.com
>> this-list at ourdomain.com
>> 
>> Is that more clear?
>
>Yes and no. What about the URL_HOST?
>Should your list server present this list as 
>http://www.ourdomain.com/lists/user-discuss or like 
>http://www.newdomain.com/lists/user-discuss?
>
>In the first case use
>   add_virtualhost('www.ourdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')



This will not work. add_virtualhost() is defined in Defaults.py and
what it does is add a key:value pair to the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary
where its first argument is the key and the second is the value.

If you have

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.ourdomain.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'ourdomain.com'

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

then following this with

add_virtualhost('www.ourdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')

will simply change the value associated with the 'www.ourdomain.com'
key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary from 'ourdomain.com' to
'newdomain.com'. It will not make a second entry - Python dictionaries
do not support multiple entries with the same key.

In the first case, what you do is just keep the default

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

only and change the host_name attribute of the users-discuss list to
newdomain.com as I suggested in my previous post in this thread
(http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-August/046174.html).

>otherwise use
>   add_virtualhost('www.newdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')
>and setup a vhost for www.newdomain.com on the web server of your lists 
>host.


This is correct.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From morgan at websquad.com  Thu Aug 18 04:15:20 2005
From: morgan at websquad.com (Bob Morgan)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:15:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome Email
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050817220502.01d4a8a0@mail.iglou.com>

I'm trying to configure a simple one-way mailing list whereby the members 
do not get instructions or encouragement to post, all but the administrator 
are "moderated", passwords are not required, names are encouraged, and both 
web pages associated with the list are highly customized.

I've accomplished all of this (with some help from you folks); however, the 
final piece in the puzzle that has me stumped is the "welcome letter" that 
new subscribers get: it has the "welcome" message that I configured on the 
mailing list administration page; however, it also has (a) how to post, (b) 
general information (which now is limited to name/Email address for new 
subscribers), (c) the subscription page (d) the mailing list request 
address (which I don't want members to use), and (e) the password (which 
members don't need).

Is there any why to get rid of (a) - (e)?  I know I can add a disclaimer in 
"welcome" message, but I want to keep the whole thing short because most of 
the members are on dial-up and get charged per character transmitted.  One 
limitation is that I do not have command prompt access on my shared server, 
and I have no access to the Mailman code.

Thanks,

Bob Morgan




From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Aug 18 06:06:12 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:06:12 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome Email
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050817220502.01d4a8a0@mail.iglou.com>
References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050817220502.01d4a8a0@mail.iglou.com>
Message-ID: <E5B80424-3B47-41A8-928D-8585AA32955A@onjapan.net>

On Aug 18, 2005, at 11:15, Bob Morgan wrote:

> I've accomplished all of this (with some help from you folks);  
> however, the
> final piece in the puzzle that has me stumped is the "welcome  
> letter" that
> new subscribers get: it has the "welcome" message that I configured  
> on the
> mailing list administration page; however, it also has (a) how to  
> post, (b)
> general information (which now is limited to name/Email address for  
> new
> subscribers), (c) the subscription page (d) the mailing list request
> address (which I don't want members to use), and (e) the password  
> (which
> members don't need).

<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>

The key point is to make a custom template for the welcome text in  
the languages you are interested in.  There are several articles in  
the FAQ that discuss templates and their search order (so they can  
apply to just certain lists, domains, or site-wide).


-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman





From shillong at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 08:38:36 2005
From: shillong at gmail.com (Shillong Dotcom)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:08:36 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] invitation analysis
Message-ID: <23e021a5050817233850f3b11e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

The invitations sent from the admin area, can they be traced?

Regards

bg


From hjb at pollux.franken.de  Thu Aug 18 10:23:25 2005
From: hjb at pollux.franken.de (Hans-Juergen Beie)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:23:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <PC174020050817172313003163c4b90c@msapiro>
References: <4303B7E4.4070804@pollux.franken.de>
	<PC174020050817172313003163c4b90c@msapiro>
Message-ID: <47837.217.194.34.123.1124353405.squirrel@www.linef.net>

On Thu, August 18, 2005 2:23, Mark Sapiro said:

> Hans-Juergen Beie wrote:

>>In the first case use
>>   add_virtualhost('www.ourdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')
>
> This will not work. add_virtualhost() is defined in Defaults.py and
> what it does is add a key:value pair to the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary
> where its first argument is the key and the second is the value.

[...]

> add_virtualhost('www.ourdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')
>
> will simply change the value associated with the 'www.ourdomain.com'
> key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary from 'ourdomain.com' to
> 'newdomain.com'. It will not make a second entry - Python dictionaries
> do not support multiple entries with the same key.
>
> In the first case, what you do is just keep the default
>
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
> only and change the host_name attribute of the users-discuss list to
> newdomain.com as I suggested in my previous post in this thread
> (http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-August/046174.html).

OK. For some reason I'm missing this posting in my mail folders.
I didn't realize this key-value problem. But your explanation is pretty
clear. Thanks.

hjb :-?




From webmaster at travel-in-spain.com  Thu Aug 18 12:39:41 2005
From: webmaster at travel-in-spain.com (Webmaster Travel In Spain)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:39:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Time shown in the log
Message-ID: <006101c5a3e1$243b91e0$3201a8c0@webmaster2>

I was wondering if the duration shown in the smtp log file of mailman was the time mailman spent on the sending (I mean working on this particular task) or the difference time between the begining of the sending and the end.

From lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il  Thu Aug 18 15:37:49 2005
From: lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il (lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:37:49 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to enable printing aliases info to the screen
Message-ID: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94014CF6F5@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>

Hello All,
 
I've installed mailman-2.1.4-83.13 on SLES 9 machine.
 
Now I want to write some script to implement list creation and web-cyradm installation.
Tried to create file with the aliase info like this:
./newlist -q $mmlistname $admin $password > /tmp/new-mailman-list
 
but it is empty.
 
Tried to make it this way 
#./newlist mailman lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il qwerty
but the aliases info won't print out on the screen.
 
I know that this info goes to /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases, but
 
How to enable printing aliases info to the screen on creating a new list? 
 
 
Best Regards,
 
Leon Kolchinsky


From jrlamar at owu.edu  Thu Aug 18 15:46:48 2005
From: jrlamar at owu.edu (Jason LaMar)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:46:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message digest/archive oddity ...
Message-ID: <BF2A0988.C4F1%jrlamar@owu.edu>

A list subscriber submitted an HTML e-mail message from Outlook with a Word
attachment. It came across as a multi-part MIME, with these content type
headers (in this order) ...

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

Content-Type: text/plain;
    charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Content-Type: text/html;
    charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


_________________________

Jason LaMar
Interim Director of Information Services
Libraries and Information Services
Ohio Wesleyan University; Delaware, OH 43015
Tel: 740-368-3131, Fax: 740-368-3272, Web: http://www.owu.edu/




From jrlamar at owu.edu  Thu Aug 18 15:52:13 2005
From: jrlamar at owu.edu (Jason LaMar)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:52:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message digest/archive oddity ...
Message-ID: <BF2A0ACD.C4F4%jrlamar@owu.edu>

Sorry about that. Let's try this again.

A list subscriber submitted an HTML e-mail message from Outlook with a Word
attachment. It came across as a multi-part MIME, with these content type
headers (in this order):

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5A33B.DBC4C170
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
    boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C5A33B.DBC4C170"

------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C5A33B.DBC4C170
Content-Type: text/plain;
    charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C5A33B.DBC4C170
Content-Type: text/html;
    charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5A33B.DBC4C170
Content-Type: application/msword;
    name="advice to faculty.doc"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
    filename="advice to faculty.doc"

The body text of the message was under both the text/plain (unformatted) and
text/html (formatted) areas, and the message and attachment both rendered
fine for non-digest recipients.

Yet in both the digest and the archives, this message was simply listed as:

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part
--------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: advice to faculty.doc
Type: application/msword
Size: 29696 bytes
Desc: not available


What happened? Why did the body of the message disappear? And how do I
prevent this from happening again?

Jason

_________________________

Jason LaMar
Interim Director of Information Services
Libraries and Information Services
Ohio Wesleyan University; Delaware, OH 43015
Tel: 740-368-3131, Fax: 740-368-3272, Web: http://www.owu.edu/




From flakrat at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 18 16:14:48 2005
From: flakrat at yahoo.com (Mike Hanby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:14:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Secure the admin pages
In-Reply-To: <BF2A0ACD.C4F4%jrlamar@owu.edu>
Message-ID: <20050818141458.D39DE1E4004@bag.python.org>

Howdy, does anyone know if it's possible to secure the admin pages with an
.htaccess type security?

Basically, I'd like to force two separate login prompts before a user can
admin a list.

Ex:  http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/admin/mailinglist

Going to this page would pop up an Apache login prompt.  If successful, then
the page would load where they would then have to log in using mailman's
"List Administrator Password".

Thanks, Mike



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Aug 18 16:48:08 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:48:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message digest/archive oddity ...
In-Reply-To: <BF2A0ACD.C4F4%jrlamar@owu.edu>
References: <BF2A0ACD.C4F4%jrlamar@owu.edu>
Message-ID: <p06200707bf2a4f638649@[10.0.1.210]>

At 9:52 AM -0400 2005-08-18, Jason LaMar wrote:

>  What happened? Why did the body of the message disappear? And how do I
>  prevent this from happening again?

	This is a result of the Scrubber in action.  The problem is that 
when messages come into the mailing list in MIME format, it is not 
possible to put multiple messages together into a digest with all 
their various MIME bodyparts.

	The non-text MIME bodyparts have to be scrubbed and placed in a 
particular directory on the webserver, and the Scrubber will normally 
include an URL pointing to their location so that people can retrieve 
those parts with their web browser.

	Short of eliminating all non-text MIME bodyparts from the entire 
mailing list (including the digests), it is not possible to eliminate 
this scrubbing activity for digests.  It is possible to configure the 
Scrubber so that it does the same thing for regular mailing list 
recipients as it does for digest recipients, if that behaviour is 
preferred.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From anner at blast.com  Thu Aug 18 17:01:30 2005
From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:01:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] confirm for one list errors, other list works
Message-ID: <4304A2CA.40206@blast.com>

I added a new list to my mailman yesterday (cplist), and copied the 
config over from another list (mbalist).  Subscribe comfirmations to 
cplist fail if you reply to the mail with "Invalid confirmation 
string:", but the link inside the mail works fine.  The reply to the 
subscribe confirmation for the other list (mbalist) works fine.  I'm 
using mailman 2.1 on linux.  Any idea what might be causing this?

Anne


From fholson at cohousing.org  Thu Aug 18 17:58:14 2005
From: fholson at cohousing.org (Fred H Olson)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:58:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digest headers
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0508180825040.20648-100000@zoidberg.tigertech.net>

I'd like to have a less verbose and more appropriate "masthead" on digest
messages for an announcement list.  The limited ability to do this in
Mailman was explained in an earlier message:

 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving "Today's Topics" to top of Digest?
 From: Mark Sapiro
 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 

> This "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" information is built from the
> masthead.txt template which can be edited to shorten it (see
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp),
> but the order - masthead.txt template, digest header if any, table of
> contents - is fixed in Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py

I wish the contents of masthead.txt (or similar) were the default in the
digest header so it could be edited. Footers have default text, why not
the digest_header ? Then if masthead.txt were eliminated, the default
would result in digests looking the same.

Is it possible to do this on a given installation now?  Is there a way to
change the default contents (at a given installation) of a string option
like digest_header ? If so, this change plus deleting the contents of
masthead.txt would result in what I'd like to see.

One of the parts of the masthead.txt (see example below) that is
inappropriate for announcement lists is "submissions" and "reply"
portions.  Ideally the defaults for the header would be conditional
depending on whether a list were an announcement list. BTW the it would be
nice if the Info page text related to post used a similar conditional.


---- Example of Mailman digest "masthead" ----

Send Mn-prog-events2 mailing list submissions to
	mn-prog-events2 at justcomm.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
	http://lists.cohousing.org/mailman/listinfo/mn-prog-events2
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
	mn-prog-events2-request at justcomm.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
	mn-prog-events2-owner at justcomm.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Mn-prog-events2 digest..."

---- END Example of Mailman digest "masthead" ----

Fred, Mailman-users no mail mode subscriber -
       copy of replies direct appreciated

-- 
Loose Lips Deserve Pink Slips. Fire Karl Rove.  
Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
Communications for Justice - My new listserv org.       UU, Linux
My Link Page: http://fholson.cohousing.org       Ham radio:WB0YQM
fholson at cohousing.org   612-588-9532   (7am-10pm Central time)




From finley at anl.gov  Thu Aug 18 18:01:19 2005
From: finley at anl.gov (Brian Elliott Finley)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:01:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fault Tolerance
Message-ID: <4304B0CF.1040208@anl.gov>

Any good links to fault tolerant implementations of Mailman?

Is it feasible to have one machine providing Mailman web services, and
two machines doing list processing?  What issues would I run into if I
tried that?

-- 
Brian Elliott Finley
Linux Strategist, CIS
Desk: 630.252.4742
Cell: 630.631.6621



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Aug 18 20:05:51 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:05:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digest headers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0508180825040.20648-100000@zoidberg.tigertech.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0508180825040.20648-100000@zoidberg.tigertech.net>
Message-ID: <p0620070dbf2a7e357f94@[10.0.1.210]>

At 8:58 AM -0700 2005-08-18, Fred H Olson wrote:

>  I wish the contents of masthead.txt (or similar) were the default in the
>  digest header so it could be edited. Footers have default text, why not
>  the digest_header ? Then if masthead.txt were eliminated, the default
>  would result in digests looking the same.

	If you want this, then you need to make source code changes.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From forrie at forrie.com  Thu Aug 18 21:54:38 2005
From: forrie at forrie.com (Forrest Aldrich)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:54:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <47837.217.194.34.123.1124353405.squirrel@www.linef.net>
References: <4303B7E4.4070804@pollux.franken.de>	<PC174020050817172313003163c4b90c@msapiro>
	<47837.217.194.34.123.1124353405.squirrel@www.linef.net>
Message-ID: <4304E77E.5070706@forrie.com>

Thanks again, I will try this out - the server is down for a bit for 
maintenance...

 From what I gather, my scenario will require

add_virtualhost('www.ourdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')

Since our server name will not change... it will be:

http://www.ourdomain.com/lists/user-discuss

but the MAIL side of it will need to be user-discuss at newdomain.com, 
bidirectionally.





Hans-Juergen Beie wrote:

>On Thu, August 18, 2005 2:23, Mark Sapiro said:
>
>  
>
>>Hans-Juergen Beie wrote:
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>>In the first case use
>>>  add_virtualhost('www.ourdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')
>>>      
>>>
>>This will not work. add_virtualhost() is defined in Defaults.py and
>>what it does is add a key:value pair to the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary
>>where its first argument is the key and the second is the value.
>>    
>>
>
>[...]
>
>  
>
>>add_virtualhost('www.ourdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')
>>
>>will simply change the value associated with the 'www.ourdomain.com'
>>key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary from 'ourdomain.com' to
>>'newdomain.com'. It will not make a second entry - Python dictionaries
>>do not support multiple entries with the same key.
>>
>>In the first case, what you do is just keep the default
>>
>>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>>
>>only and change the host_name attribute of the users-discuss list to
>>newdomain.com as I suggested in my previous post in this thread
>>(http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-August/046174.html).
>>    
>>
>
>OK. For some reason I'm missing this posting in my mail folders.
>I didn't realize this key-value problem. But your explanation is pretty
>clear. Thanks.
>
>hjb :-?
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>
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>  
>


From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Aug 19 04:46:37 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:46:37 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to enable printing aliases info to the
	screen
In-Reply-To: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94014CF6F5@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>
References: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94014CF6F5@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>
Message-ID: <4305480D.2060308@onjapan.net>

On 2005-08-18 22:37, lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il wrote:
> Tried to make it this way 
> #./newlist mailman lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il qwerty
> but the aliases info won't print out on the screen.
>  
> I know that this info goes to /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases, but

That suggests you have set MTA = 'Postfix' in your mm_cfg.py.  If you 
set it to 'Manual' the aliases will be displayed for manual manipulation.

-- 
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Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman


From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Aug 19 06:00:26 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:00:26 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Secure the admin pages
In-Reply-To: <20050818141458.D39DE1E4004@bag.python.org>
References: <20050818141458.D39DE1E4004@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <4305595A.1090309@onjapan.net>

On 2005-08-18 23:14, Mike Hanby wrote:
> Howdy, does anyone know if it's possible to secure the admin pages with an
> .htaccess type security?
[...]
> Ex:  http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/admin/mailinglist
> 
> Going to this page would pop up an Apache login prompt.  If successful, then
> the page would load where they would then have to log in using mailman's
> "List Administrator Password".

You could use a FilesMatch directive to restrict access to the cgi 
scripts you were interested in:

<FilesMatch (admin|admindb|create|edithtml|rmlist)>
   AuthName "Mailman"
   [...]
   require valid-user
</FilesMatch>

(Or a LocationMatch directive in your Apache configuration.)

Jim

P.S.  Your message might get more attention if you sent a new message 
to the mailing list rather than hijacking an existing thread (as you 
did by replying to a different message and simply changing the 
subject).  People that browse the list by thread might not see your 
message the way you have done it.

-- 
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Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman


From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Aug 19 06:15:17 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:15:17 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] confirm for one list errors, other list works
In-Reply-To: <4304A2CA.40206@blast.com>
References: <4304A2CA.40206@blast.com>
Message-ID: <43055CD5.6050102@onjapan.net>

On 2005-08-19 00:01, Anne Ramey wrote:
> I added a new list to my mailman yesterday (cplist), and copied the 
> config over from another list (mbalist).  Subscribe comfirmations to 
> cplist fail if you reply to the mail with "Invalid confirmation 
> string:", but the link inside the mail works fine.  The reply to the 
> subscribe confirmation for the other list (mbalist) works fine.  I'm 
> using mailman 2.1 on linux.  Any idea what might be causing this?

Do the confirmation requests come from cplist-request at example.com?

Did you remember to create the cplist aliases?  (Especially the 
cplist-request alias pointing at "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman 
request cplist" and not mbalist.)


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From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Aug 19 06:23:41 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:23:41 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Time shown in the log
In-Reply-To: <006101c5a3e1$243b91e0$3201a8c0@webmaster2>
References: <006101c5a3e1$243b91e0$3201a8c0@webmaster2>
Message-ID: <43055ECD.7080208@onjapan.net>

On 2005-08-18 19:39, Webmaster Travel In Spain wrote:
> I was wondering if the duration shown in the smtp log file of mailman was the time mailman spent on the sending (I mean working on this particular task) or the difference time between the begining of the sending and the end.

It is the clock time in seconds required for Mailman to deliver the 
message to your SMTPHOST from where the messages will be (eventually) 
delivered to your subscribers.

-- 
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Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman


From eric at fox.phoenix.az.us  Fri Aug 19 06:32:52 2005
From: eric at fox.phoenix.az.us (Eric Fox)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:32:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved Messages Lost from Digest & Archives
Message-ID: <430560F4.6030409@fox.phoenix.az.us>

I host a couple of small lists for various groups.  Recently one of them 
has been behaving very strangely.  It's a fully moderated list, and when 
the Admin approves several messages from the moderated queue, they get 
sent out fine to the immediate-deliver users, but only the first one 
will show up in the archives or go out in the digest.  All the other 
lists appear to be working without problems, just the one list looses 
messages.

I've been pounding my head against the table on this one for a while.  
Anyone have an idea what could have gone wrong?

-- 

  /\---/\  Eric J Fox
 /  o o  \ http://fox.phoenix.az.us/
 \.\   /./ ---------------------------
    \@/    "Of course it runs NetBSD."  
.



From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri Aug 19 09:17:37 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:17:37 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] maximum size of mailman .mbox files
In-Reply-To: <p06200701bf297abd7cee@[10.0.1.210]> (Brad Knowles's message of
	"Thu, 18 Aug 2005 01:39:15 +0200")
References: <20050817200345.09DD11E4002@bag.python.org>
	<p06200701bf297abd7cee@[10.0.1.210]>
Message-ID: <87zmregzu6.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Brad" == Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> writes:

    Brad> At 2:59 PM -0500 2005-08-17, Stephen S Kelley wrote:

    >> I'm running mailman 2.1.5 on fedora2 and the box has ample
    >> resources. Are there any OS problems a 2GB?

    Brad> 	Dunno.  But you'd be more likely to get an answer to
    Brad> your question if you used resources appropriate to your OS.

If John Dennis doesn't show up shortly with an answer, I recommend you
write to Red Hat support and ask about "large file support in Python".
A second possibility would be to ask about it on comp.lang.python, but
you may simply be ignored there, not even get a "try another channel"
response.


-- 
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University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From etnojens at abyznet.net  Fri Aug 19 09:42:11 2005
From: etnojens at abyznet.net (Jens Kjaerulff)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:42:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail interface for moderator administration?
Message-ID: <20050819004211.30ec0dff@linux.local>


Does Mailman allow moderators to use email interface for moderator
tasks?

For example, for the list example at example.net, regular subscribers can
unsubscribe by sending a message to example-request at example.net, with
the word 'unsubscribe' in the subject or body.

Can a moderator similarly send a command, for example to reject or
approve of a message sent to a moderated list?

If so, where can I find information on how to operate Mailman this way,
including a listing of existing moderator commands?

I am considering to 'migrate' from ezmlm, and one strong side of ezmlm
is that it can be operated completely via email interface by moderators.
It would greatly facilitate the migration if Mailman could be accessed
in similar  fashion.

Thanks for any feedback on this


From lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il  Fri Aug 19 10:46:56 2005
From: lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il (lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:46:56 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid mailmanSite list creation
Message-ID: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120DEE@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>

Hello All,
 
1) I'm implementing web-cyradm installation together with mailman-2.1.4-83.13 on SLES 9.
As I understood from the documentation, there must be "mailman" list for mailman to work properly.
 
Web-cyradm implementing virtual domains with the use of MySQL tables, so my "mailman" list will look something like  "haifa.ac.il-mailman" where haifa.ac.il is one of the domains I have.
 
After creating this list, I restart mailman and get "Starting mailmanSite list is missing: mailman" error.
 
Is there any way to avoid this limitation?
 
2) When I go to http://myservername.com/mailman/listinfo with the browser,
I got this message:
 
"Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 
Traceback:
Content-type: text/html
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a
useful traceback for you.  Please report this to the Mailman administrator at
this site."
 
In my /etc/apache2/default-server.conf I configured it like this:
##################
##
## mailman
##
ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/"
<Directory "/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/">
        AllowOverride None
        Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
</Directory>
##
## end mailman
##
##################
 
Are these config lines sufficient or my bug is from 1) question?
 
Best Regards,
Leon Kolchinsky
 

 







From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Aug 19 11:01:48 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:01:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid mailmanSite list creation
In-Reply-To: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120DEE@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>
References: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120DEE@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>
Message-ID: <p06200716bf2b4f7d8cac@[10.0.1.210]>

At 11:46 AM +0300 2005-08-19, <lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il> wrote:

>  As I understood from the documentation, there must be "mailman" list
>  for mailman to work properly.

	Correct.

>  Web-cyradm implementing virtual domains with the use of MySQL tables, so
>  my "mailman" list will look something like  "haifa.ac.il-mailman" where
>  haifa.ac.il is one of the domains I have.

	Neither web-cyradm nor the MySQL member adapter are supported 
parts of Mailman.  If you're having problems with them, you need to 
use resources appropriate to them.  You might get lucky and find 
someone else on this list who is also using them, but then again, you 
might not.

>  2) When I go to http://myservername.com/mailman/listinfo with the browser,
>  I got this message:
>
>  "Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

	Keep in mind that there is a serious known security hole in 
Mailman 2.1.x prior to 2.1.6.  You really should consider upgrading 
to the latest version.

>  Are these config lines sufficient or my bug is from 1) question?

	I'm sorry I can't provide any more assistance, but I'd have to 
say that there's probably some sort of disconnect between the MySQL 
member adapter and the MySQL database, perhaps caused by the use of 
web-cyradm.  But you should use resources appropriate to those 
products for further assistance.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Aug 19 11:08:01 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:08:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail interface for moderator administration?
In-Reply-To: <20050819004211.30ec0dff@linux.local>
References: <20050819004211.30ec0dff@linux.local>
Message-ID: <p06200717bf2b50e9e1fd@[10.0.1.210]>

At 12:42 AM -0700 2005-08-19, Jens Kjaerulff wrote:

>  Does Mailman allow moderators to use email interface for moderator
>  tasks?

	For some things, yes.

>  I am considering to 'migrate' from ezmlm, and one strong side of ezmlm
>  is that it can be operated completely via email interface by moderators.
>  It would greatly facilitate the migration if Mailman could be accessed
>  in similar  fashion.

	There is a limit to the mail command interface for Mailman.  Some 
user-level documentation on this subject has been written up at 
<http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node10.html>, but the majority of 
administrative functions were intended to be used from the web 
interface, or from the command-line interface on the server.

	Unfortunately, I'm not aware of anyone having written any 
documentation on what administrative functions can be performed via 
the mail interface.  That sort of information would normally be 
available in the List Administrator's Manual (see 
<http://www.list.org/mailman-admin/index.html>), or in the Site 
Administrator's documentation (see <http://www.list.org/site.html> 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>). 
Unfortunately, the information on these pages is incomplete.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From piotr at mallorn.ii.uj.edu.pl  Fri Aug 19 11:46:38 2005
From: piotr at mallorn.ii.uj.edu.pl (Piotr Krukowiecki)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:46:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-resending mails to sublists
Message-ID: <20050819094638.GA1256@mallorn.ii.uj.edu.pl>

Hi,

I'd like to have a couple of lists: year1 at host, year2 at host, ..., year6 at host. 
And when someone sends mail for example to year3-5 at host it'd be resent 
automatically to year3, year4 and year5. 

Is it doable with standard mailman (preferably 2.1.5), or does it need some
changes to the code? Would it be easy to implement or not?
Or maybe mailman has some kind of modules/plugins?
(although I don't remember seeing anything about plugins in docs)


-- 
Piotrek
irc: #debian.pl
Mors Drosophilis melanogastribus!


From anner at blast.com  Fri Aug 19 15:18:52 2005
From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:18:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] confirm for one list errors, other list works
In-Reply-To: <43055CD5.6050102@onjapan.net>
References: <4304A2CA.40206@blast.com> <43055CD5.6050102@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <4305DC3C.10001@blast.com>


Jim Tittsler wrote:
> On 2005-08-19 00:01, Anne Ramey wrote:
> 
>> I added a new list to my mailman yesterday (cplist), and copied the 
>> config over from another list (mbalist).  Subscribe comfirmations to 
>> cplist fail if you reply to the mail with "Invalid confirmation 
>> string:", but the link inside the mail works fine.  The reply to the 
>> subscribe confirmation for the other list (mbalist) works fine.  I'm 
>> using mailman 2.1 on linux.  Any idea what might be causing this?
> 
> 
> Do the confirmation requests come from cplist-request at example.com?
> 
> Did you remember to create the cplist aliases?  (Especially the 
> cplist-request alias pointing at "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman 
> request cplist" and not mbalist.)
> 
> 
Yes, I added the aliases:

## cplist mailing list
cplist:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post cplist"
cplist-admin:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin cplist"
cplist-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces cplist"
cplist-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm cplist"
cplist-join:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join cplist"
cplist-leave:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave cplist"
cplist-owner:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner cplist"
cplist-request:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request cplist"
cplist-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe cplist"
cplist-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe cplist"

And they both have the same from structure, they come from:
From: list-bounces at example.com [mailto:list-bounces at example.com] On 
Behalf Of list-request at example.com

Anne





From flakrat at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 19 17:45:20 2005
From: flakrat at yahoo.com (Mike Hanby)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:45:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Secure the admin pages
In-Reply-To: <4305595A.1090309@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <20050819154535.522871E409D@bag.python.org>

Thanks Jim, I'll give that a shot.

Does anyone know if the admin admindb and others are secure, or are there
known ways to get around them to get to the membership email list?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:jwt at onjapan.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 23:00
To: Mike Hanby
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Secure the admin pages

On 2005-08-18 23:14, Mike Hanby wrote:
> Howdy, does anyone know if it's possible to secure the admin pages with an
> .htaccess type security?
[...]
> Ex:  http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/admin/mailinglist
> 
> Going to this page would pop up an Apache login prompt.  If successful,
then
> the page would load where they would then have to log in using mailman's
> "List Administrator Password".

You could use a FilesMatch directive to restrict access to the cgi 
scripts you were interested in:

<FilesMatch (admin|admindb|create|edithtml|rmlist)>
   AuthName "Mailman"
   [...]
   require valid-user
</FilesMatch>

(Or a LocationMatch directive in your Apache configuration.)

Jim

P.S.  Your message might get more attention if you sent a new message 
to the mailing list rather than hijacking an existing thread (as you 
did by replying to a different message and simply changing the 
subject).  People that browse the list by thread might not see your 
message the way you have done it.

-- 
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Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From Julian_Dunn at cbc.ca  Fri Aug 19 17:53:15 2005
From: Julian_Dunn at cbc.ca (Julian C. Dunn)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:53:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] case problems when customizing pipermail templates
Message-ID: <1124466795.3216.117.camel@localhost>

Hello,

I'm trying to customize a Pipermail archive template to contain the name
of the list which is used in URLs, in other words, completely lower
case. From the list config, I thought it was this variable:

# list_name - The name by which the list is identified in URLs, where
# case is significant.

So I tried putting %(list_name)s in my Pipermail templates, but the
upper-case name keeps getting substituted when archives are generated.
How can I substitute the lowercase name to generate a URL for list info?
Note that I cannot use %(listinfo)s because we override the list info
page with a custom web application.

- Julian

-- 
-- Julian C. Dunn, B.A.Sc, P.Eng.  <Julian_Dunn at cbc.ca>
-- Platform Administrator, CBC.ca Production & Operations
-- Office: 2C310-Q  *  Tel.: (416) 205-3311 x5592



From lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il  Fri Aug 19 18:09:26 2005
From: lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il (lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:09:26 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HA:  how to avoid mailmanSite list creation
Message-ID: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120DF0@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>

Thanks for your reply,
 
1) Maybe someone could tell me if there is a way to avoid creating "mailman" list and still run mailman properly?
 
2) If someone running mailman on SuSE 9.X or SLES 9 could tell me if my config lines in
 
my /etc/apache2/default-server.conf correct?:
##################
##
## mailman
##
ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/"
<Directory "/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/">
        AllowOverride None
        Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
</Directory>
##
## end mailman
##
##################
 
 
Best Regards,
Leon Kolchinsky

________________________________

??: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad at stop.mail-abuse.org]
??????????: ??, 8/19/2005 11:01
????: ???? ????'?????
?????: mailman-users at python.org
????: Re: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid mailmanSite list creation



At 11:46 AM +0300 2005-08-19, <lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il> wrote:

>  As I understood from the documentation, there must be "mailman" list
>  for mailman to work properly.

        Correct.

>  Web-cyradm implementing virtual domains with the use of MySQL tables, so
>  my "mailman" list will look something like  "haifa.ac.il-mailman" where
>  haifa.ac.il is one of the domains I have.

        Neither web-cyradm nor the MySQL member adapter are supported
parts of Mailman.  If you're having problems with them, you need to
use resources appropriate to them.  You might get lucky and find
someone else on this list who is also using them, but then again, you
might not.

>  2) When I go to http://myservername.com/mailman/listinfo with the browser,
>  I got this message:
>
>  "Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

        Keep in mind that there is a serious known security hole in
Mailman 2.1.x prior to 2.1.6.  You really should consider upgrading
to the latest version.

>  Are these config lines sufficient or my bug is from 1) question?

        I'm sorry I can't provide any more assistance, but I'd have to
say that there's probably some sort of disconnect between the MySQL
member adapter and the MySQL database, perhaps caused by the use of
web-cyradm.  But you should use resources appropriate to those
products for further assistance.

--
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.




From cpz at tuunq.com  Fri Aug 19 18:21:22 2005
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:21:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HA:  how to avoid mailmanSite list creation
In-Reply-To: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120DF0@exchsrv01.haifa.edu> from
	"lkolchin@univ.haifa.ac.il" at "Aug 19, 2005 07:09:26 pm"
Message-ID: <20050819162122.8B64E7AE@mail.tuunq.com>

In a flurry of recycled electrons, lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il wrote:

> Thanks for your reply,
>  
> 1) Maybe someone could tell me if there is a way to avoid creating 
> "mailman" list and still run mailman properly?

See FAQ http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp.
You need to have -something- for this purpose, although it appears that you 
can rename it. OTOH, I personally don't know of anyone who's done so.

z!


From jdennis at redhat.com  Fri Aug 19 18:29:30 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:29:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] maximum size of mailman .mbox files
In-Reply-To: <87zmregzu6.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <20050817200345.09DD11E4002@bag.python.org>
	<p06200701bf297abd7cee@[10.0.1.210]>
	<87zmregzu6.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <1124468970.5027.13.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 16:17 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>     Brad> At 2:59 PM -0500 2005-08-17, Stephen S Kelley wrote:
> 
>     >> I'm running mailman 2.1.5 on fedora2 and the box has ample
>     >> resources. Are there any OS problems a 2GB?
> 
>     Brad> 	Dunno.  But you'd be more likely to get an answer to
>     Brad> your question if you used resources appropriate to your OS.
> 
> If John Dennis doesn't show up shortly with an answer, I recommend you
> write to Red Hat support and ask about "large file support in Python".

Sorry, I was lurking because I don't have any definitive information at
my finger tips. The answer has two components, the max file size of the
file system and the max file size python can handle. I'm assuming the
installation is on an ext3 partition. The max files size on ext3 depends
on the block size, it ranges from 16GB to 4TB on a 32bit CPU. However
python and other software has to be able to manage file pointer offsets,
which without any direct knowledge I suspect are 32 bit representations
on a 32 bit CPU. I suspect that probably limits practical file sizes
using python to 4GB. But like I said, I don't know this as a fact, just
guessing. Bottom line, I don't think you're likely to have a problem any
time soon just based on file sizes. The time to process an archive of
that size, the likelyhood  of corrupted individual emails in an mbox of
that size, and the utility of that much data are other issues.
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From jdennis at redhat.com  Fri Aug 19 18:37:16 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:37:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid mailmanSite list creation
In-Reply-To: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120DEE@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>
References: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120DEE@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>
Message-ID: <1124469436.5027.20.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 11:46 +0300, lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il wrote:
> Hello All,
>  
> 1) I'm implementing web-cyradm installation together with mailman-2.1.4-83.13 on SLES 9.

Try to upgrade to mailman 2.1.6 for security reasons.

> As I understood from the documentation, there must be "mailman" list for mailman to work properly.
>  
> Web-cyradm implementing virtual domains with the use of MySQL tables, so my "mailman" list will look something like  "haifa.ac.il-mailman" where haifa.ac.il is one of the domains I have.
>  
> After creating this list, I restart mailman and get "Starting mailmanSite list is missing: mailman" error.
>  
> Is there any way to avoid this limitation?

You need a site list, this does not have to be created via your
Web-cyradm tool set, it can be done at the time of mailman installation.

>  
> 2) When I go to http://myservername.com/mailman/listinfo with the browser,
> I got this message:
>  
> "Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 
> Traceback:
> Content-type: text/html
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a
> useful traceback for you.  Please report this to the Mailman administrator at
> this site."

This is typically a result of python syntax errors introduced by editing
mm_cfg.py which is python code that gets executed. A typical reason is
not quoting strings. If you can't find the syntax error try running one
of the command line scripts in mailman/bin, the python interpreter will
probably print the offending file and line number, this is hidden when
using the web interface.

>  
> In my /etc/apache2/default-server.conf I configured it like this:
> ##################
> ##
> ## mailman
> ##
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/"
> <Directory "/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/">
>         AllowOverride None
>         Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI
>         Order allow,deny
>         Allow from all
> </Directory>
> ##
> ## end mailman
> ##
> ##################
>  
> Are these config lines sufficient or my bug is from 1) question?

Looks fine to me provided your path is correct. See above, you need the
site list, you probably have a syntax error in mm_cfg.py.

-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From Julian_Dunn at cbc.ca  Fri Aug 19 18:47:19 2005
From: Julian_Dunn at cbc.ca (Julian C. Dunn)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:47:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid mailmanSite list creation
In-Reply-To: <1124469436.5027.20.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>
References: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120DEE@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>
	<1124469436.5027.20.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1124470039.3216.120.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 12:37 -0400, John Dennis wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 11:46 +0300, lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >  
> > 1) I'm implementing web-cyradm installation together with mailman-2.1.4-83.13 on SLES 9.
> 
> Try to upgrade to mailman 2.1.6 for security reasons.

As far as I know, Novell has backported all security fixes in 2.1.6 into
the SLES 9 2.1.4 Mailman. Please correct me if I'm wrong (and I hope I'm
not, because that's the Mailman we're planning on installing)

- Julian

-- 
-- Julian C. Dunn, B.A.Sc, P.Eng.  <Julian_Dunn at cbc.ca>
-- Platform Administrator, CBC.ca Production & Operations
-- Office: 2C310-Q  *  Tel.: (416) 205-3311 x5592



From jdennis at redhat.com  Fri Aug 19 18:56:05 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:56:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid mailmanSite list creation
In-Reply-To: <1124470039.3216.120.camel@localhost>
References: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120DEE@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>
	<1124469436.5027.20.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>
	<1124470039.3216.120.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1124470565.5027.27.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 12:47 -0400, Julian C. Dunn wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 12:37 -0400, John Dennis wrote:
> > On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 11:46 +0300, lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il wrote:
> > > Hello All,
> > >  
> > > 1) I'm implementing web-cyradm installation together with mailman-2.1.4-83.13 on SLES 9.
> > 
> > Try to upgrade to mailman 2.1.6 for security reasons.
> 
> As far as I know, Novell has backported all security fixes in 2.1.6 into
> the SLES 9 2.1.4 Mailman. Please correct me if I'm wrong (and I hope I'm
> not, because that's the Mailman we're planning on installing)
> 

I don't track Novell's patches, but these are the two CVE's you want to
make sure are fixed, look to see if the release notes include them.

CAN-2005-0202
CAN-2004-1177

Of the two of them, CAN-2005-0202 is the most important.
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From Julian_Dunn at cbc.ca  Fri Aug 19 19:04:25 2005
From: Julian_Dunn at cbc.ca (Julian C. Dunn)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:04:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid mailmanSite list creation
In-Reply-To: <1124470565.5027.27.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>
References: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120DEE@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>
	<1124469436.5027.20.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>
	<1124470039.3216.120.camel@localhost>
	<1124470565.5027.27.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1124471065.3216.121.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 12:56 -0400, John Dennis wrote:

> > As far as I know, Novell has backported all security fixes in 2.1.6 into
> > the SLES 9 2.1.4 Mailman. Please correct me if I'm wrong (and I hope I'm
> > not, because that's the Mailman we're planning on installing)
> > 
> 
> I don't track Novell's patches, but these are the two CVE's you want to
> make sure are fixed, look to see if the release notes include them.
> 
> CAN-2005-0202
> CAN-2004-1177
> 
> Of the two of them, CAN-2005-0202 is the most important.

Yep, they are (in the mailman-2.1.4-83.13 RPM):


* Thu Feb 10 2005 - rommel at suse.de

- added mailman-2.1.5-dirtraversal.patch [bug #50563, CAN-2005-0202]

* Wed Jan 12 2005 - rommel at suse.de

- added mailman-weak-password.diff [bug #49468, CAN-2004-1144]
- added mailman-CAN-2004-1177.patch [bug #49468, CAN-2004-1177]
- added mailman-2.1.4-avoid-headerfolding-python21.diff [bug #45355]


- Julian

-- 
-- Julian C. Dunn, B.A.Sc, P.Eng.  <Julian_Dunn at cbc.ca>
-- Platform Administrator, CBC.ca Production & Operations
-- Office: 2C310-Q  *  Tel.: (416) 205-3311 x5592



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Aug 19 19:28:09 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:28:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <4304E77E.5070706@forrie.com>
Message-ID: <PC174020050819102809098461b57b21@msapiro>

Forrest Aldrich wrote:
>
> From what I gather, my scenario will require
>
>add_virtualhost('www.ourdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')


Do not do this. As I have tried to point out in two previous posts in
this thread including the one you quote below. This will not work. If
you add the above in mm_cfg.py, it will REPLACE the

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

entry, which is effectively

add_virtualhost('www.ourdomain.com', 'ourdomain.com')

with the entry

add_virtualhost('www.ourdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')

because the keys ('www.ourdomain.com') are the same. What you want to
do is just leave

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

as the only entry and create the user-discuss list and after it is
created, go to its General options admin page and change "Host name
this list prefers for email. (host_name)" from ourdomain.com to
newdomain.com.

If you do put

add_virtualhost('www.ourdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')

in mm_cfg.py, all subsequently created lists will be created with a
host_name of newdomain.com.

>Since our server name will not change... it will be:
>
>http://www.ourdomain.com/lists/user-discuss
>
>but the MAIL side of it will need to be user-discuss at newdomain.com, 
>bidirectionally.
>
>
>>On Thu, August 18, 2005 2:23, Mark Sapiro said:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Hans-Juergen Beie wrote:
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>>In the first case use
>>>>  add_virtualhost('www.ourdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>This will not work. add_virtualhost() is defined in Defaults.py and
>>>what it does is add a key:value pair to the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary
>>>where its first argument is the key and the second is the value.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>  
>>
>>>add_virtualhost('www.ourdomain.com', 'newdomain.com')
>>>
>>>will simply change the value associated with the 'www.ourdomain.com'
>>>key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary from 'ourdomain.com' to
>>>'newdomain.com'. It will not make a second entry - Python dictionaries
>>>do not support multiple entries with the same key.
>>>
>>>In the first case, what you do is just keep the default
>>>
>>>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>>>
>>>only and change the host_name attribute of the users-discuss list to
>>>newdomain.com as I suggested in my previous post in this thread
>>>(http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-August/046174.html).
>>>    

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From mangoo at mch.one.pl  Fri Aug 19 23:57:48 2005
From: mangoo at mch.one.pl (Tomasz Chmielewski)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 23:57:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating from sourceforge list archive to mailman
Message-ID: <430655DC.8090403@mch.one.pl>

I wanted to migrate a list stored on sourceforge.net to mailman kept on 
my site.
It's about 300 messages.


It seems that there is no easy way of doing that, and I'll have to open 
each mail stored on sourceforge.net, copy it's contents, sender, and 
date, and send it to a new mailman installation (with the appropriate 
From:, date, and subject/body) - all 300 mails manually.

Did anyone already migrate from a list stored on sourceforge.net, and if 
so, could somebody give me some hints on how to do it best?


-- 
Tomek
http://wpkg.org


From eric at fox.phoenix.az.us  Sat Aug 20 00:32:45 2005
From: eric at fox.phoenix.az.us (Eric Fox)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:32:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with Lost Messages
In-Reply-To: <430560F4.6030409@fox.phoenix.az.us>
References: <430560F4.6030409@fox.phoenix.az.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.53.0508191527160.18184@red.fox.phoenix.az.us>

I may have not expressed this well.  All our lists work perfectly except
one.  The list that is having problems is configured to be fully
moderated and has, until recently, worked without a problem.

Recently, we've found that when we approve a number of messages from the
Moderated list, only the first will go out.  The rest will simply
disappear -- no archive and nothing in the digest.

I'm just about at wits end trying to figure this one out.  Does anyone
have any suggestions where to look or how to go about figuring out what's
REALLY happening to the lost messages?

Thanks, in advance, for your responses.

---
  /\---/\  Eric J Fox
 /  o o  \ http://fox.phoenix.az.us/
 \.\   /./ ---------------------------
    \@/    "Of course it runs NetBSD."
.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Eric Fox wrote:

> I host a couple of small lists for various groups.  Recently one of them
> has been behaving very strangely.  It's a fully moderated list, and when
> the Admin approves several messages from the moderated queue, they get
> sent out fine to the immediate-deliver users, but only the first one
> will show up in the archives or go out in the digest.  All the other
> lists appear to be working without problems, just the one list looses
> messages.
>
> I've been pounding my head against the table on this one for a while.
> Anyone have an idea what could have gone wrong?
>
> --
>
>   /\---/\  Eric J Fox
>  /  o o  \ http://fox.phoenix.az.us/
>  \.\   /./ ---------------------------
>     \@/    "Of course it runs NetBSD."
> .
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/eric%40fox.phoenix.az.us
>
> Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&amp;file=faq01.027.htp
>


From dbosso+lists.mailman at lsit.ucsb.edu  Sat Aug 20 01:25:12 2005
From: dbosso+lists.mailman at lsit.ucsb.edu (David R Bosso)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:25:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "ordinal not in range" shunted messages?
Message-ID: <592F3814C0D802489ECFF7F8@bossland.lsit.ucsb.edu>


I'm getting a lot of shunted messages that leave the following in the error 
log:

-----
Aug 19 15:12:12 2005 (19781) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't 
decode byte 0xe1 in position 3: ordinal not in range(128)
Aug 19 15:12:12 2005 (19781) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in 
_dispose
    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 216, in 
ArchiveMail
    h.processUnixMailbox(f)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 573, in 
processUnixMailbox
    self.add_article(a)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 625, in 
add_article
    article.parentID = parentID = self.get_parent_info(arch, article)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 657, in 
get_parent_info
    article.subject)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 311, in 
getOldestArticle
    self.__openIndices(archive)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 251, in 
__openIndices
    t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i))
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 65, in 
__init__
    self.load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 179, in 
load
    self.__sort(dirty=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 73, in 
__sort
    self.sorted.sort()
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe1 in position 3: 
ordinal not in range(128)

Aug 19 15:12:12 2005 (19781) SHUNTING: 
1124489530.784061+0f998dd72a42f5075c74e43fab303b8a06cc2313
-----

This is with version 2.1.6.  Some are spam/junk, but I've got 2 now sourced 
from yahoo that appear legitimate.

Any ideas?  I can provide a sample message privately if someone wants to 
check it out.

Thanks!

-David


From zach.dexter at gmail.com  Sat Aug 20 04:24:44 2005
From: zach.dexter at gmail.com (Zach Dexter)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:24:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic email every 15 days?
Message-ID: <4306946C.1010901@gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

What's the easiest way to automatically send out an email to all users 
on a mailing list every 15 days?  Is there an addon for Mailman, or is a 
cron job the best way to do this?

Thanks!


From asterix at lagaule.org  Sat Aug 20 08:59:38 2005
From: asterix at lagaule.org (asterix at lagaule.org)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:59:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] retry qfiles
Message-ID: <20050820065938.GA26196@lagaule.org>

Hi all,

I had some pb with my mail server: my LDAP database crased, so my users
couldn't receive their mail, especialy me :)
So mailman (that run on the same machine) put messages for me in the
qfiles/retry folder.
The pb is that now I can receive mails but mailman still continue to put
mails for me there.
Is there a way to tell him to really retry to send me thoses mails and
to stop storing them there ?

Thanks in advance
Yann Le Boulanger


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Aug 20 13:36:56 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:36:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic email every 15 days?
In-Reply-To: <4306946C.1010901@gmail.com>
References: <4306946C.1010901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06200723bf2cc64463e9@[10.0.1.210]>

At 10:24 PM -0400 2005-08-19, Zach Dexter wrote:

>  What's the easiest way to automatically send out an email to all users
>  on a mailing list every 15 days?  Is there an addon for Mailman, or is a
>  cron job the best way to do this?

	Use a cron job.  No additional software to be installed.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From batsonjay at sipforum.org  Sat Aug 20 21:16:12 2005
From: batsonjay at sipforum.org (Jay Batson)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:16:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive access permission problem - can you think
	of something beyond the obvious?
Message-ID: <DAE4B926-8C43-4F72-968D-0F34BCEE93A9@sipforum.org>

Hi --

Our web/mail server (I think) got hacked recently.  (There were  
various bits of stuff that broke.)

While list mail seems to (now) be running again (had to restart  
qrunner), access to list archives is still busted.  Attempts to  
access the archives via browser give the well-known "Forbidden - You  
don't have permission to access /pipermail/discussion/ on this server."

I've done the following:
- run check_perms -f to make sure directory permissions are correct
- Made sure the following was in my Apache httpd.conf file:

Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
<Directory "/var/mailman/archives/public/">
AllowOverride None
Options FollowSymLinks
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
</Directory>

  (I then restarted the web server -only; not the system as a whole)   
(BTW -- I've tried with, and without double-quotes around the  
directory spec.)

Yet I still have the permission problem.

Can anybody think of something else I'm not catching that would be  
causing this?  Note that I'm running this on an Apache "virtualhost,"  
so I made sure to put the Directory directive in the virtualhost  
section.

Sorry to be asking such a well-worn question again.  But I've done  
what I thought needed to be done, and am still stuck.

Help,and RSVP
-jb


----------
Jay Batson
Acting Managing Director, Chairman
batsonjay at sipforum.org
+1-978-824-0111



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Aug 21 07:01:29 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:01:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message digest/archive oddity ...
In-Reply-To: <p06200707bf2a4f638649@[10.0.1.210]>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082022012900629f372e7b@msapiro>

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 9:52 AM -0400 2005-08-18, Jason LaMar wrote:
>
>>  What happened? Why did the body of the message disappear? And how do I
>>  prevent this from happening again?
>
>	This is a result of the Scrubber in action.  The problem is that 
>when messages come into the mailing list in MIME format, it is not 
>possible to put multiple messages together into a digest with all 
>their various MIME bodyparts.

I think the issue here is not so much the scrubbing of the
application/msword part, but the skipping entirely of the
multipart/alternative part, thus keeping the attachment, albeit
scrubbed, but dropping the message body entirely.

This is basically a deficiency in pipermail which really doesn't do
well with MIME messages.

I think one way to avoid this is to turn on content filtering. If you
dont want to actually filter any content, you can leave both
filter_mime_types and pass_mime_types empty and nothing will be
removed except that all multipart/alternative parts will be replaced
by the first alternative only. I think this will avoid the
disappearance of the message body in this case. Of course, the message
body you see will be just the text/plain (unformatted) alternative and
not the text/html (formatted) alternative even for non-digest
recipients, but at least there will be message body text in the digest
and archive.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Aug 21 07:29:36 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:29:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digest headers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0508180825040.20648-100000@zoidberg.tigertech.net>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082022293607039f373103@msapiro>

Fred H Olson wrote:
>
>I wish the contents of masthead.txt (or similar) were the default in the
>digest header so it could be edited. Footers have default text, why not
>the digest_header ? Then if masthead.txt were eliminated, the default
>would result in digests looking the same.
>
>Is it possible to do this on a given installation now?  Is there a way to
>change the default contents (at a given installation) of a string option
>like digest_header ? If so, this change plus deleting the contents of
>masthead.txt would result in what I'd like to see.

Yes. The default digest header is set by the Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py
variable DEFAULT_DIGEST_HEADER. You could almost just put

DEFAULT_DIGEST_HEADER = """
Send %(real_name)s mailing list submissions to
	%(got_list_email)s

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
	%(got_listinfo_url)s
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
	%(got_request_email)s

You can reach the person managing the list at
	%(got_owner_email)s

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than
"Re: Contents of %(real_name)s digest..."
"""

in mm_cfg.py except that %(got_list_email)s, %(got_listinfo_url)s,
%(got_request_email)s and %(got_owner_email)s aren't valid
replacements in digest_header, but you could get around this with
things like

   %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
   %(web_page_url)listinfo/%(list_name)s
   %(real_name)s-request@%(host_name)s
   %(real_name)s-owner@%(host_name)s

instead.

Then just make templates/site/en/masthead.txt an empty file and you're
set as long as all you're concerned about is English language lists.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il  Sun Aug 21 08:20:29 2005
From: lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il (lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:20:29 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HA:  how to avoid mailmanSite list creation
Message-ID: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94014CF6F7@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>

Thanks man,

That?s the solution for me, I can just rename it "MAILMAN_SITE_LIST in mm_cfg.py".

Best Regards,
Leon Kolchinsky 


-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Zwanzig [mailto:cpz at tuunq.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 7:21 PM
To: ???? ????'?????
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] HA: how to avoid mailmanSite list creation

In a flurry of recycled electrons, lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il wrote:

> Thanks for your reply,
>  
> 1) Maybe someone could tell me if there is a way to avoid creating 
> "mailman" list and still run mailman properly?

See FAQ http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp.
You need to have -something- for this purpose, although it appears that you can rename it. OTOH, I personally don't know of anyone who's done so.

z!


From msapiro at value.net  Sun Aug 21 21:05:40 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:05:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in gateway_to_mail processing
In-Reply-To: <4303C7AC.1060103@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508211205400062f97ca3e6@msapiro>

Martin Wolske wrote:
>
>I've followed through the code to see where, in Site.py, it checks for 
>lists in the mm_cfg.py default directory.  The lists are all in the same 
>directory tree.  They all show up in the list_lists listing.  Why would 
>it be that Utils.list_names might be listing only a subset of our 
>lists?

Both cron/gate_news and bin/list_lists use the Utils.list_names()
method to obtain the set of list names. I doubt that the results would
not be the same in each case.

I'm grasping at straws here, but you might try changing

    for listname in Utils.list_names():

in process_lists in gate_news to something like

    names = Utils.list_names()
    for listname in names:

and maybe adding some more debug logging.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Aug 21 21:15:55 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:15:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-resending mails to sublists
In-Reply-To: <20050819094638.GA1256@mallorn.ii.uj.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508211215550312af48534f@msapiro>

Piotr Krukowiecki wrote:
>
>I'd like to have a couple of lists: year1 at host, year2 at host, ..., year6 at host. 
>And when someone sends mail for example to year3-5 at host it'd be resent 
>automatically to year3, year4 and year5. 

You could create umbrella lists (see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp)
such as year3-5 at host with members year3 at host, year4 at host and
year5 at host. Depending on how many combinations you want and how
(in)flexible you want to be in specifying them, this might be
practical.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Aug 21 21:53:25 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:53:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] __getmsgids in ListAdmin.py (via checkdbs)
	reports"ValueError: too many values to unpack"
In-Reply-To: <86db848d05081413314a9dd9b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC174020050821125325071859695707@msapiro>

Michael Scott Fischer wrote:

>Does anyone know what causes the following error message, and if so,
>how to make Mailman happy again?
>
>This is Mailman 2.1.6, Python 2.4.1 on a FreeBSD 5.4 system - both are
>installed from ports.  I've upgraded Mailman several times, but only
>after the 2.1.6 upgrade did I begin to receive these errors.
<snip>
> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 138, in __getmsgids
>   ids = [k for k, (op, data) in self.__db.items() if op == rtype]
>ValueError: too many values to unpack

It seems that the lists/<listname>/request.pck file may be corrupt. Can
you go to the list's admindb page OK? You might try just moving the
request.pck aside and then going to the admindb page which will create
a new one.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From mlst at winc.net  Sun Aug 21 22:29:02 2005
From: mlst at winc.net (Sergio P. Cesar)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:29:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto change subject line for subscription
	invitation
Message-ID: <49770.67.97.100.27.1124656142.squirrel@webmail.winc.net>

With default setting the user will get a request for confirmation like:
confirm 7170e089130f398d634715bb1cfd4a8a8845542f

Is there a way I can change this for each list to something like:

An invitation from the President: confirm
7170e089130f398d634715bb1cfd4a8a8845542f

-- 
Sergio Cesar
Wireless Net Connections
Network Communications & Consulting
Sig Key (do not delete):
mQGiBDt/Ap8RBADdBbLfOhOGJcOdYAUwm9z0xqD+rc5gnq/SE/LAeMC5jpJ6kggO




From msapiro at value.net  Sun Aug 21 22:43:13 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:43:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto change subject line for
	subscriptioninvitation
In-Reply-To: <49770.67.97.100.27.1124656142.squirrel@webmail.winc.net>
Message-ID: <PC174020050821134313060943485cce@msapiro>

Sergio P. Cesar wrote:

>With default setting the user will get a request for confirmation like:
>confirm 7170e089130f398d634715bb1cfd4a8a8845542f
>
>Is there a way I can change this for each list to something like:
>
>An invitation from the President: confirm
>7170e089130f398d634715bb1cfd4a8a8845542f

If you set

VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes

in mm_cfg.py, invitations will be

From: <list_name>-confirm+<token>@example.com

with

Subject: You have been invited to join the <list_name> mailing list

See further information on this in Defaults.py

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From mwolske at uiuc.edu  Mon Aug 22 05:48:18 2005
From: mwolske at uiuc.edu (Martin Wolske)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:48:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in gateway_to_mail processing
In-Reply-To: <PC1740200508211205400062f97ca3e6@msapiro>
References: <PC1740200508211205400062f97ca3e6@msapiro>
Message-ID: <1B56C6A1-4143-453F-BD1D-815573FA7E78@uiuc.edu>

On Aug 21, 2005, at 2:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> I'm grasping at straws here, but you might try changing
>
>     for listname in Utils.list_names():
>
> in process_lists in gate_news to something like
>
>     names = Utils.list_names()
>     for listname in names:
>
> and maybe adding some more debug logging.

Thanks, Mark.  I replaced the line per your suggestion, adding a  
write to syslog between reading the names and entering the for loop.   
The output of the syslog of names listed all our lists; the for loop  
did not, but did process in order to one list.  The list was an old  
one, so as soon as I deleted it, I was able to process through all  
the lists!  I have no idea why gate_news was hanging on that list,  
but list_names was not.  Mystery of mysteries!

-- Martin

From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Aug 22 08:48:28 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:48:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in gateway_to_mail processing
In-Reply-To: <1B56C6A1-4143-453F-BD1D-815573FA7E78@uiuc.edu>
References: <PC1740200508211205400062f97ca3e6@msapiro>
	<1B56C6A1-4143-453F-BD1D-815573FA7E78@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <p0620072cbf2f2556ad11@[10.0.1.210]>

At 10:48 PM -0500 2005-08-21, Martin Wolske wrote:

>                                                  The list was an old
>  one, so as soon as I deleted it, I was able to process through all
>  the lists!  I have no idea why gate_news was hanging on that list,
>  but list_names was not.  Mystery of mysteries!

	You might have had a corrupt list configuration "pickle" -- all 
Mailman 2.1.x list configurations are stored in a binary format on 
disk in a Python format called a "pickle", and these sometimes get 
corrupted.  Mailman should normally be able to deal with this, as it 
can access the backup of the pickle which should be okay, but perhaps 
the backup was also corrupted.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il  Mon Aug 22 15:52:45 2005
From: lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il (lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:52:45 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] making lists private from command line
Message-ID: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94014CF704@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>

Hello All,
 
I have 2 questions:
 
1) Is there a way to make list private and turning archiving off. from command line? Or make the archives private from command line?
 
2) I'm used to lists (using some lists from another sites) configured in such a way, so when I press "Reply" button in my e-mail client in the "To" line there is the "list e-mail address" an not only e-mail of the person who's wrote this mail. In the default configuration I believe I have to push "Reply All" button to send the reply to the list, and the system (of mailman) knows to send this reply only once to the person who's wrote this original message (correct me if I wrong).
 
How to configure this behavior I'm used to?
 
 
Best Regards,
Leon Kolchinsky


From jdennis at redhat.com  Mon Aug 22 16:13:29 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:13:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating from sourceforge list archive
	to	mailman
In-Reply-To: <430655DC.8090403@mch.one.pl>
References: <430655DC.8090403@mch.one.pl>
Message-ID: <1124720009.21217.4.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 23:57 +0200, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
> I wanted to migrate a list stored on sourceforge.net to mailman kept on 
> my site.
> It's about 300 messages.
> 
> 
> It seems that there is no easy way of doing that, and I'll have to open 
> each mail stored on sourceforge.net, copy it's contents, sender, and 
> date, and send it to a new mailman installation (with the appropriate 
> From:, date, and subject/body) - all 300 mails manually.
> 
> Did anyone already migrate from a list stored on sourceforge.net, and if 
> so, could somebody give me some hints on how to do it best?

I assume your need is to archive the previous emails, you are not
concerned with member migration. The archive used by mailman is stored
in mbox format. If you can somehow grab your existing archive as a flat
file (in mbox format or convert it) you could install the mbox file and
run mailman/bin/arch to rebuild mailmans archive from the mbox file.
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From dpifer at odu.edu  Mon Aug 22 17:37:42 2005
From: dpifer at odu.edu (Darren G Pifer)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:37:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken link from mailman processing
Message-ID: <1124725061.26195.47.camel@becks.occs.odu.edu>

Hello,

       Today, one of our security administrators tried to send a
message to one of his lists and it got held. The message the user got
was:

sans_gcia-bounces at list.odu.edu wrote on 08/22/2005 09:55:46 AM:

> Your mail to 'SANS_GCIA' with the subject
> 
>     Unix Security Course
> 
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> 
> The reason it is being held:
> 
>     Message has implicit destination
> 
> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
> this posting, please visit the following URL:
> 
>    
http://list.odu.edu/confirm/sans_gcia/0fabbd87d74f641d0a035f000d7075a1ef2233

According to the docs, the message was held because the user Bcc:ed the
sans_gcia address but am waiting to confirmation on the user if he did
this.

The thing that bothers me most is: when the user clicked on the
http://list.odu.edu/... link, the page was "not found". What can I look
for in the logs or elsewhere to see why the page could not be found?

If it helps, we are running MM 2.1.6b4 on Linux RHEL 3.0.

Darren 
Old Dominion University



From christopher.brigham at sri.com  Mon Aug 22 20:38:20 2005
From: christopher.brigham at sri.com (Chris Brigham)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:38:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Instrumentation and Harvesting
Message-ID: <430A1B9C.40206@sri.com>

Hi All,

I'm working on a project that will be attempting to instrument Mailman
events and harvest message archives and list membership.  Is there a way
to do any of this programmatically?  Will I have to manually scrape the
administration pages and subscribe a bot to the list that I want to
manage?  Do any external APIs exist?

Thanks,

Chris Brigham
SRI International

From dpifer at odu.edu  Mon Aug 22 20:37:59 2005
From: dpifer at odu.edu (Darren G Pifer)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:37:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken link from mailman processing
In-Reply-To: <1124725061.26195.47.camel@becks.occs.odu.edu>
References: <1124725061.26195.47.camel@becks.occs.odu.edu>
Message-ID: <1124735879.26195.60.camel@becks.occs.odu.edu>

My bad...the confirm script in the wwwroot directory was missing which
caused the problem. I symlinked it like we have done with our
other scripts.

Darren
ODU

On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 11:37, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>        Today, one of our security administrators tried to send a
> message to one of his lists and it got held. The message the user got
> was:
> 
> sans_gcia-bounces at list.odu.edu wrote on 08/22/2005 09:55:46 AM:
> 
> > Your mail to 'SANS_GCIA' with the subject
> > 
> >     Unix Security Course
> > 
> > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> > 
> > The reason it is being held:
> > 
> >     Message has implicit destination
> > 
> > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> > notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
> > this posting, please visit the following URL:
> > 
> >    
> http://list.odu.edu/confirm/sans_gcia/0fabbd87d74f641d0a035f000d7075a1ef2233
> 
> According to the docs, the message was held because the user Bcc:ed the
> sans_gcia address but am waiting to confirmation on the user if he did
> this.
> 
> The thing that bothers me most is: when the user clicked on the
> http://list.odu.edu/... link, the page was "not found". What can I look
> for in the logs or elsewhere to see why the page could not be found?
> 
> If it helps, we are running MM 2.1.6b4 on Linux RHEL 3.0.
> 
> Darren 
> Old Dominion University



From sjsobol at JustThe.net  Mon Aug 22 20:56:04 2005
From: sjsobol at JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:56:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual host not working?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0508221445070.5241-100000@amethyst.justthe.net>


Hello,

I've tried

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost('lists.spamcon.org','lists.spamcon.org')

(this is what my mm_cfg.py currently contains) -- and I've even tried
changing the defaults in Defaults.py --

and Mailman still insists on sending out mail as listname at spamcon.org. 

The server's hostname is wttw.spamcon.org. It's running FreeBSD 
4.8-RELEASE, mailman 2.1, and python 2.3.3.

-- 
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek   888-480-4638   PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
Company website: http://JustThe.net/
Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/
E: sjsobol at JustThe.net Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307




From iain.smy at gmail.com  Mon Aug 22 21:25:49 2005
From: iain.smy at gmail.com (iain)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:25:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] invalid key load error
Message-ID: <6bf7409f05082212254e1fd54f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi:

I am getting the following errors using MM 2.1.3 on FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE.

max# /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 122, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 94, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 587, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(file)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 560, in __load
    dict = loadfunc(fp)
cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '@'.


I read thru previous posts and found mention of a similiar error which
said to run the check_db --all command.

I did this and got the following:

max# /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_db --all
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/check_db", line 153, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/check_db", line 121, in main
    mlist = MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 587, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(file)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 560, in __load
    dict = loadfunc(fp)
cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '@'.


Can anyone help figure out what the problem is here and how to fix it.

Thanks.


From mangoo at mch.one.pl  Mon Aug 22 23:22:39 2005
From: mangoo at mch.one.pl (Tomasz Chmielewski)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:22:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no posts appear on a new list
Message-ID: <430A421F.5040506@mch.one.pl>

I'm just trying to set up mailman, but I can't make it work.

When I send an email to a list, all I can see is this entry in "info" 
log of Postfix:

Aug 22 23:18:58 mangoo2 postfix/local[12738]: 1BC3EF0021: 
to=<dupa at servername>, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent (delivered to 
command: /opt/mailman/mail/mailman post dupa)


and that's it, no Postfix errors nor other entries, no mailman logs, no 
clue.

What should I look for?


-- 
Tomek
http://wpkg.org


From jdennis at redhat.com  Mon Aug 22 23:48:59 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:48:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no posts appear on a new list
In-Reply-To: <430A421F.5040506@mch.one.pl>
References: <430A421F.5040506@mch.one.pl>
Message-ID: <1124747339.21217.29.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:22 +0200, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
> I'm just trying to set up mailman, but I can't make it work.
> 
> When I send an email to a list, all I can see is this entry in "info" 
> log of Postfix:
> 
> Aug 22 23:18:58 mangoo2 postfix/local[12738]: 1BC3EF0021: 
> to=<dupa at servername>, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent (delivered to 
> command: /opt/mailman/mail/mailman post dupa)
> 
> 
> and that's it, no Postfix errors nor other entries, no mailman logs, no 
> clue.
> 
> What should I look for?

The postfix log is saying that it gave the message to the mailman
wrapper /opt/mailman/mail/mailman asking it to post to the list dupa.
All this looks good assuming both the wrapper
program /opt/mailman/mail/mailman and the list dupa both exist. I assume
also you are not showing any errors in your postfix log file(s).

There should have been an entry in one of the mailman logs. Where your
mailman logs are located depends on your installation, I'd make a guess
in your case its /opt/mailman/log. Are you sure there isn't any entry in
any of the mailman logs? It would be suspicious for the mail wrapper to
accept a message but not log it. I wonder if your mail wrapper is
actually executing. You can try piping a dummy message into the wrapper
with the same args as the user your postfix program runs as. Pay
particular attention in any of the logs to "group mismatch" errors. BTW,
did you check the system log?
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 23 01:04:03 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:04:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] making lists private from command line
In-Reply-To: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94014CF704@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508221604030437243d2138@msapiro>

<lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il> wrote:
> 
>1) Is there a way to make list private and turning archiving off. from command line? Or make the archives private from command line?


You can do this from the command line with bin/config_list

bin/config_list --help

for help.

bin/config_list -o filename listname

To see the output from the existing list 'listname' which will show you
the form of the required input. Only attributes you want to change
need be in the input file.


>2) I'm used to lists (using some lists from another sites) configured in such a way, so when I press "Reply" button in my e-mail client in the "To" line there is the "list e-mail address" an not only e-mail of the person who's wrote this mail. In the default configuration I believe I have to push "Reply All" button to send the reply to the list, and the system (of mailman) knows to send this reply only once to the person who's wrote this original message (correct me if I wrong).


Actually, it's up to the user whether or not to receive a post from the
list if he/she is a direct addressee, but the default is as you say.

 
>How to configure this behavior I'm used to?


Set reply_goes_to_list to "This list"

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 23 01:17:17 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:17:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken link from mailman processing - implicit
	destination info
In-Reply-To: <1124725061.26195.47.camel@becks.occs.odu.edu>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082216171708900f35060b@msapiro>

Darren G Pifer wrote:
>> 
>> The reason it is being held:
>> 
>>     Message has implicit destination
>> 
>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
>> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
>> this posting, please visit the following URL:
>> 
>>    
>http://list.odu.edu/confirm/sans_gcia/0fabbd87d74f641d0a035f000d7075a1ef2233
>
>According to the docs, the message was held because the user Bcc:ed the
>sans_gcia address but am waiting to confirmation on the user if he did
>this.

Or the user 'redirected' or 'bounced' a message to the list or in some
other way caused the message to be delivered to sans_gcia at list.odu.edu
without that address being present in a To: or Cc: header.

In other words, although Bcc: to the list is the most common cause of
'implicit destination', it isn't the only possibility.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 23 01:34:41 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:34:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no posts appear on a new list
In-Reply-To: <430A421F.5040506@mch.one.pl>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082216344101567acc6005@msapiro>

Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:

>I'm just trying to set up mailman, but I can't make it work.
>
>When I send an email to a list, all I can see is this entry in "info" 
>log of Postfix:
>
>Aug 22 23:18:58 mangoo2 postfix/local[12738]: 1BC3EF0021: 
>to=<dupa at servername>, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent (delivered to 
>command: /opt/mailman/mail/mailman post dupa)
>
>
>and that's it, no Postfix errors nor other entries, no mailman logs, no 
>clue.
>
>What should I look for?


Are the qrunners running? I.e., did you do

mailmanctl start

or some equivalent script.

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 23 01:53:40 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:53:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual host not working?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0508221445070.5241-100000@amethyst.justthe.net>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082216534007817acc6275@msapiro>

Steven J. Sobol wrote:
>
>I've tried
>
>VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>add_virtualhost('lists.spamcon.org','lists.spamcon.org')
>
>(this is what my mm_cfg.py currently contains) -- and I've even tried
>changing the defaults in Defaults.py --
>
>and Mailman still insists on sending out mail as listname at spamcon.org. 

Much of what VIRTUAL_HOSTS is used for is to get the lists host_name
attribute at list CREATION time. Changing VIRTUAL_HOSTS does not
change any attributes (e.g. host_name and web_page_url) of any
existing lists. After making changes to VIRTUAL_HOSTS (or
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN), you generally need to run fix_url to change
existing lists. Run

bin/fix_url.py

for instructions.

If all you want to change is the e-mail host for a list and not the web
URL, you can change this on the list's General options page - it's the
host_name attribute. It is probably spamcon.org - change it to
lists.spamcon.org.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 23 02:10:58 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:10:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] invalid key load error
In-Reply-To: <6bf7409f05082212254e1fd54f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082217105807347acc6258@msapiro>

iain wrote:
>
>I read thru previous posts and found mention of a similiar error which
>said to run the check_db --all command.
>
>I did this and got the following:
>
>max# /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_db --all
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/check_db", line 153, in ?
>    main()
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/check_db", line 121, in main
>    mlist = MailList(listname, lock=0)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__
>    self.Load()
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 587, in Load
>    dict, e = self.__load(file)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 560, in __load
>    dict = loadfunc(fp)
>cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '@'.
>
>
>Can anyone help figure out what the problem is here and how to fix it.


One of your lists has a bad lists/<listname>/config.pck file. If you
don't know which is the problem list,

/usr/local/mailman/bin/check_db --all --verbose

may help you identify it. Possibly moving the config.pck aside and
replacing it with the config.pck.last file may solve the problem. If
not, perhaps you have a good file somewhere on a system backup. If
not, other tools such as bin/config_list and bin/dumpdb will probably
fail too so *nix 'strings' may be the only way to retrieve useful
information from the file that would help in recreating the list.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From decibel at decibel.org  Tue Aug 23 03:46:08 2005
From: decibel at decibel.org (Jim C. Nasby)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:46:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature idea: List-Msg-Archive header
Message-ID: <20050823014608.GQ17203@decibel.org>

Many times I find myself wishing that one of the headers that mailman
appends would give me a URL I could go to to get that exact email in the
archive. I know there's often a delay between mail being sent and
showing up in the archive, but it seems like a good error message should
handle that situation...
-- 
Jim C. Nasby, Database Architect                decibel at decibel.org 
Give your computer some brain candy! www.distributed.net Team #1828

Windows: "Where do you want to go today?"
Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?"
FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?"


From fuzzie at vohslaw.com  Tue Aug 23 05:58:24 2005
From: fuzzie at vohslaw.com (Chuck Vohs)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:58:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages are lost...I have followed FAQs 3.14
Message-ID: <430A9EE0.4080404@vohslaw.com>

I have followed the steps (great job BTW) at 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp and 
I can't find the solution.

I have mailman version 2.1.6 installed with cPanel on RH 7.3, sending 
mail through exim.
I have several lists running.  All used to work just fine.  Last week, 2 
lists stopped sending mail.  Each responds to commands, but posts are 
just not sent.
I can't see where they are dying at.
Messages sent to the lists by nonmembers are held as pending, and I get 
an email to approve or reject.  When I approve, the message is never sent.
Very weird.
Any help, please?
Chuck


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 23 06:58:33 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:58:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages are lost...I have followed FAQs 3.14
In-Reply-To: <430A9EE0.4080404@vohslaw.com>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508222158330156bdffe71d@msapiro>

Chuck Vohs wrote:
>
>I have mailman version 2.1.6 installed with cPanel on RH 7.3, sending 
>mail through exim.


I'm not sure if it's relevant, but see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp


>I have several lists running.  All used to work just fine.  Last week, 2 
>lists stopped sending mail.  Each responds to commands, but posts are 
>just not sent.
>I can't see where they are dying at.
>Messages sent to the lists by nonmembers are held as pending, and I get 
>an email to approve or reject.  When I approve, the message is never sent.

It seems you're saying that posts are being sent out from lists other
than the specific 2 lists. If so, then it's probably not a qrunner
problem unless you're running multiple 'slices' of qrunners and one
has died.

Check Mailman's error log.

Check the mailman qfiles/ directory to see where the messages are
piling up (shunt, retry, out ?).

Sometimes a corrupt file will cause a list to shut down in this way.
Check the files in lists/<listname>/ for the two lists. In particular,
if there is a digest.mbox file, try moving it aside and see if that
helps.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 23 07:33:24 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:33:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature idea: List-Msg-Archive header
In-Reply-To: <20050823014608.GQ17203@decibel.org>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082222332401560d22bb94@msapiro>

Jim C. Nasby wrote:

>Many times I find myself wishing that one of the headers that mailman
>appends would give me a URL I could go to to get that exact email in the
>archive. I know there's often a delay between mail being sent and
>showing up in the archive, but it seems like a good error message should
>handle that situation...

Feature requests are best submitted at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103 where they
can be found and tracked.

In fact, if you had looked there you would have found
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=669056&group_id=103&atid=350103
which appears to request this feature. Feel free to add comments to
this request.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From plaza.plaza at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 08:56:03 2005
From: plaza.plaza at gmail.com (plaza c)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:26:03 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SErver made a boo boo
Message-ID: <b695dc9b050822235678cd6fb5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Im trying to access the links after the mailing list is created. The
email is comming properly to my email id,when im trying to access the
links the apache server is giving an error.

"Servre made a boo boo...."???what is this error ,im using mailman
2.1.6 and postfix along with apache.

I have followed the configuration details given at list.org  and
documentation at http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/mailman/

Regds,
plaza c


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Aug 23 09:13:38 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:13:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature idea: List-Msg-Archive header
In-Reply-To: <20050823014608.GQ17203@decibel.org>
References: <20050823014608.GQ17203@decibel.org>
Message-ID: <p06200740bf307be1f62f@[10.0.1.210]>

At 8:46 PM -0500 2005-08-22, Jim C. Nasby wrote:

>  Many times I find myself wishing that one of the headers that mailman
>  appends would give me a URL I could go to to get that exact email in the
>  archive. I know there's often a delay between mail being sent and
>  showing up in the archive, but it seems like a good error message should
>  handle that situation...

	It's not possible to do this within Mailman, at least not the way 
it's written today.  At the time the message is being sent out to 
recipients, it has not yet been written to the archive, and therefore 
it is impossible to tell what the URL to that message will be.

	Moreover, sometimes the archival process can be rather lengthy, 
compared to being able to quickly dump off the outgoing message to 
the MTA.  In that case, doing the archive step first would add a 
noticeable delay to the message being sent to recipients.


	One thing I'd like to see is that the archival process be changed 
from using sequence numbers to using a slice of an MD-5 hash of the 
incoming message.  This has multiple benefits:

	1.  When you go to re-generate your archives based on the
		contents of an mbox file, none of the existing messages
		will have their sequence number changed.  This means that
		all external references to specific messages in the archives
		will still remain valid after the archives have been rebuilt.

		Today, this is not true, and the FAQ and other documents have
		to be updated to reference the correct messages, if the
		archives ever have to be rebuilt.

	2.  It should be possible to know what the URL to that message
		would be before it is actually created by the archival
		process.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Aug 23 10:49:04 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:49:04 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SErver made a boo boo
In-Reply-To: <b695dc9b050822235678cd6fb5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b695dc9b050822235678cd6fb5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <430AE300.4020608@onjapan.net>

On 2005-08-23 15:56, plaza c wrote:
> Im trying to access the links after the mailing list is created. The
> email is comming properly to my email id,when im trying to access the
> links the apache server is giving an error.
> 
> "Servre made a boo boo...."???what is this error ,im using mailman
> 2.1.6 and postfix along with apache.

It sounds like the default Apache 500 ErrorDocument.  (You can check 
your Apache configuration to find out which error code is producing 
that text.)

You will want to double-check your Apache configuration for Mailman. 
Check things like having the proper ScriptAlias directive and path, 
having the cgi module loaded, having the right permissions and group 
ownership on the Mailman files (see Mailman's 'check_perms -f').  More 
clues may be found in Apache's error log.


-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman


From plaza.plaza at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 14:43:31 2005
From: plaza.plaza at gmail.com (plaza c)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:13:31 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman
Message-ID: <b695dc9b0508230543151416e7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Im new to mailman.I've configured mailman-2.1.6 and getting the list
mailed to my email id . while trying to access the list through my
apache sever ,im getting the following error..

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

Is this error of postfix or cgi or something else pls help


-- 
Regds,
plaza c


From lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il  Tue Aug 23 15:06:28 2005
From: lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il (lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:06:28 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HA:  Bug in Mailman
Message-ID: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120DF3@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>

Please post here,
1) The error log of your apache (just the lines when you are trying to enter the links), you can achive it with tail -f /path/to/your/apache/error_log.
 
2) Tell us how exactly you've integrated mailman with your SMTP server.
 
3) Tell us version of your OS, post here lines from apache conf. file which concern the mailman integration.
 
 
Regards,
Leon Kolchinsky

________________________________

??: mailman-users-bounces+lkolchin=univ.haifa.ac.il at python.org ?? ????? plaza c
??????????: ??, 8/23/2005 2:43
????: mailman-users at python.org
????: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman



Hi,

Im new to mailman.I've configured mailman-2.1.6 and getting the list
mailed to my email id . while trying to access the list through my
apache sever ,im getting the following error..

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

Is this error of postfix or cgi or something else pls help


--
Regds,
plaza c
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From darko.longin at pa.press.net  Tue Aug 23 15:50:02 2005
From: darko.longin at pa.press.net (Darko Longin)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:50:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to confirm subscription with outlook
Message-ID: <989C2759E25A2749BF9E165F7A02C99C2FD76C@silver.howden.press.net>

All,

Any help greatly appreciated, apologies if it was already covered.

mailman - 2.1.6
exim - 4.52-3
sparc solaris 8
outlook 2000 (or any other version)

We've come across a problem where exchange users who wish to confirm their
subscription via email get the following error:

>snip
> 
> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
> original message.
> 
> 
> - Unprocessed:
>     RE: Your confirmation is required to join the some-internal-list
mailing 
> 	list
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: 
>snip

...this ONLY happens when they hit "Reply" as opposed to creating a new mail
and putting "confirm 98278438uidssfid" in the Subject field.

However, this ONLY happens to users who have their mailboxes sitting on the
exchange server. All users who have Personal Folders set (i.e pulling emails
to local pst file) do NOT experience these problems.

I've compared the headers and can not see any noticeable difference?! I just
can not understand why (if?) it matters where the mailbox sits? Is exchange
doing something weird here?

Thank you


From fuzzie at vohslaw.com  Tue Aug 23 16:05:11 2005
From: fuzzie at vohslaw.com (Chuck Vohs)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:05:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages are lost...I have followed FAQs 3.14
In-Reply-To: <PC1740200508222158330156bdffe71d@msapiro>
References: <PC1740200508222158330156bdffe71d@msapiro>
Message-ID: <430B2D17.1040004@vohslaw.com>

Getting closer. Thanks.

Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Chuck Vohs wrote:
>  
>
>> I have mailman version 2.1.6 installed with cPanel on RH 7.3, sending 
>> mail through exim.
>>   
>
>
>
> I'm not sure if it's relevant, but see
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp
>  
>
Yeah, I had seen that, and they are working on it.  I just was at such a 
lost, I figured I might find some hints or help here.

>
>  
>
>> I have several lists running.  All used to work just fine.  Last 
>> week, 2 lists stopped sending mail.  Each responds to commands, but 
>> posts are just not sent.
>> I can't see where they are dying at.
>> Messages sent to the lists by nonmembers are held as pending, and I 
>> get an email to approve or reject.  When I approve, the message is 
>> never sent.
>>   
>
>
> It seems you're saying that posts are being sent out from lists other
> than the specific 2 lists. If so, then it's probably not a qrunner
> problem unless you're running multiple 'slices' of qrunners and one
> has died.
>
> Check Mailman's error log.
>
> Check the mailman qfiles/ directory to see where the messages are
> piling up (shunt, retry, out ?).
>
> Sometimes a corrupt file will cause a list to shut down in this way.
> Check the files in lists/<listname>/ for the two lists. In particular,
> if there is a digest.mbox file, try moving it aside and see if that
> helps.
>  
>
Wow, that is good news, they are piling up in qfiles/shunt. So that 
means 1) the messages are getting to the server 2) mailman is trying to 
process them (it has given them really strange file names), so something 
is working, just not 100% yet.
Thanks for the tip!!!




From lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il  Tue Aug 23 16:52:15 2005
From: lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il (lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:52:15 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HA:  making lists private from command line
Message-ID: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120DF6@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>

Hello Mark,
Thanks for your reply.
 
 
All I did is:
./config_list -i /var/lib/mailman/data/mailman_config_new.txt mailman
 
My additional question is:
Where these configurations saved (in the DB maybe?), in what files exactly?
 
P.S.
for the first and the second question, value should be equal to 1.
# legal values are:
#    0 = "Poster"
#    1 = "This list"
#    2 = "Explicit address"
reply_goes_to_list = 1
 
## Archive options
#
# List traffic archival policies.
# Archive messages?
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "No"
#    1 = "Yes"
archive = No
# Is archive file source for public or private archival?
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "public"
#    1 = "private"
archive_private = 1
 
Additional values I've found for securing privacy of mailman widesitelist for example:
 
# Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine?
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "No"
#    1 = "Yes"
advertised = True
 
 
 
Best regards,
Leon Kolchinsky


 
 
 
 

________________________________

??: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net]
??????????: ??, 8/23/2005 1:04
????: ???? ????'?????; mailman-users at python.org
????: Re: [Mailman-Users] making lists private from command line



<lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il> wrote:
>
>1) Is there a way to make list private and turning archiving off. from command line? Or make the archives private from command line?


You can do this from the command line with bin/config_list

bin/config_list --help

for help.

bin/config_list -o filename listname

To see the output from the existing list 'listname' which will show you
the form of the required input. Only attributes you want to change
need be in the input file.


>2) I'm used to lists (using some lists from another sites) configured in such a way, so when I press "Reply" button in my e-mail client in the "To" line there is the "list e-mail address" an not only e-mail of the person who's wrote this mail. In the default configuration I believe I have to push "Reply All" button to send the reply to the list, and the system (of mailman) knows to send this reply only once to the person who's wrote this original message (correct me if I wrong).


Actually, it's up to the user whether or not to receive a post from the
list if he/she is a direct addressee, but the default is as you say.


>How to configure this behavior I'm used to?


Set reply_goes_to_list to "This list"

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan





From lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il  Tue Aug 23 17:14:23 2005
From: lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il (lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:14:23 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HA: HA:  Bug in Mailman
Message-ID: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120DF9@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>

Hello,
You didn't have to cp /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin  /var/www/cgi-bin.
For Fedora, you have to make these changes in apache config:
 
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
<Directory /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/>
    AllowOverride None
    Options ExecCGI
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>
Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
<Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/public>
    Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks
    AllowOverride None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>
# Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your server's
# name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page (recommended).
# RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo
 
May be you should first try to follow step-by-step, this tutorial:
http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialMailman.html
 
It's concerning your distribution particulary.
 
Regards,
Leon Kolchinsky

________________________________

??: plaza c [mailto:plaza.plaza at gmail.com]
??????????: ??, 8/23/2005 4:38
????: ???? ????'?????
????: Re: HA: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman



Hi, Im new and hope the following information would help to understand
 the problem.
This is :
1. tail -f /path/to/your/apache/error_log

[Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52] \tREMOTE_PORT: 32874
[Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52]
[Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52]
\tHTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us,en;q=0.5
[Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52]
[Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52]
\tHTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate
[Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52]
[Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52] \tPATH_INFO: /list1
[Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52]
[Tue Aug 23 19:42:43 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52] File does
not exist: /var/www/html/favicon.ico
[Tue Aug 23 19:42:43 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52] File does
not exist: /var/www/html/cgi-bin/missing_handler.pl

2. I configured the mailman as per the documentation given at
www.list.org and http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/mailman/
I did not configure the virtual hosts.Im working on a machine in lan
,Doing an experimentation to be later implemented on the server. My
FQDN is http://somedomain.com. Im using postfix 2.1.5-5 and apache.

3.
This  is the required lines from apache.conf

 ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/www/cgi-bin/
#
# "/var/www/cgi-bin" should be changed to whatever your ScriptAliased
# CGI directory exists, if you have that configured.
#
<Directory "/var/www/cgi-bin/">
    AllowOverride None
    Options None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

I had Done  :  cp /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin  /var/www/cgi-bin
Im using fedora core 3
I have also reffered http://wiki.linuxhelp.net/index.php/Mailman_Setup
as a help.




From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 23 18:25:44 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:25:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages are lost...I have followed FAQs 3.14
In-Reply-To: <430B2D17.1040004@vohslaw.com>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508230925440265461e3db5@msapiro>

Chuck Vohs wrote:

>Wow, that is good news, they are piling up in qfiles/shunt. So that 
>means 1) the messages are getting to the server 2) mailman is trying to 
>process them (it has given them really strange file names), so something 
>is working, just not 100% yet.

The "really strange file names" are normal.

Somewhere in processing the message, Mailman is encountering an error
which causes the message to be shunted. There should be messages in
Mailman's error log giving more detail.

After the underlying problem is found and resolved, the shunted
messages can be reprocessed with bin/unshunt if desired.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 23 18:38:55 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:38:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to confirm subscription with outlook
In-Reply-To: <989C2759E25A2749BF9E165F7A02C99C2FD76C@silver.howden.press.net>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508230938550000461e3cb7@msapiro>

Darko Longin wrote:

>outlook 2000 (or any other version)
>
>We've come across a problem where exchange users who wish to confirm their
>subscription via email get the following error:
>
>>snip
>> 
>> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>> original message.
>> 
>> 
>> - Unprocessed:
>>     RE: Your confirmation is required to join the some-internal-list
>mailing 
>> 	list

<snip>

>I've compared the headers and can not see any noticeable difference?! I just
>can not understand why (if?) it matters where the mailbox sits? Is exchange
>doing something weird here?

Absolutely. The subject "RE: Your confirmation is required to join the
some-internal-list mailing list"

Says you have "VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes" in mm_cfg.py which produces
that subject in the confirmation e-mail and a From: address of the form

From: listname-request at example.com+<cookie>

Outlook/exchange is dropping/munging the "+<cookie>" part of the
address in the reply.

You can remove "VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes" from mm_cfg.py which will
make the confirmation be

From: listname-request at example.com

with

Subject: confirm <cookie>

This format may work with outlook/exchange. You also may be able to
configure exchange to preserve the "+<cookie>" part of the address in
the reply.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From mail at christiananton.de  Tue Aug 23 18:14:41 2005
From: mail at christiananton.de (Christian Anton)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:14:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private list archives
Message-ID: <430B4B71.5060504@christiananton.de>

Hi everybody,

seems i am to tired to find the archives of my mailinglist.

I have set the archives "private" because i don't want to make the 
archives public, i want that only subscribed users are able to accesss them.

I was now searching a link to the archives in the web-admininterface 
later than login as a subscribed user, but did not find it.

Any hint, where to click?


Sorry for that silly question and thanks in advance....


Christian


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 23 18:50:17 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:50:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HA:  making lists private from command line
In-Reply-To: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120DF6@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508230950170687461e3f40@msapiro>

<lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il> wrote:
> 
>All I did is:
>./config_list -i /var/lib/mailman/data/mailman_config_new.txt mailman


There should be a file created by installation -
/var/lib/mailman/data/sitelist.cfg - which is intended to be used with
config_list to make some appropriate changes to the site list
(mailman).


>My additional question is:
>Where these configurations saved (in the DB maybe?), in what files exactly?

Everything for a list (list configuration, membership, member options)
is stored as a Python pickle in (based on the above path)
/var/lib/mailman/lists/<listname>/config.pck.


--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 23 18:55:54 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:55:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private list archives
In-Reply-To: <430B4B71.5060504@christiananton.de>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508230955540468461e3e8a@msapiro>

Christian Anton wrote:
>
>I was now searching a link to the archives in the web-admininterface 
>later than login as a subscribed user, but did not find it.

If you haven't modified the listinfo page for the list, the last thing
in the first section (About listname) is:

 To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the listname
 Archives. (The current archive is only available to the list members.)

where "listname Archives" is the link.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From mail at christiananton.de  Tue Aug 23 19:41:48 2005
From: mail at christiananton.de (Christian Anton)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:41:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private list archives
In-Reply-To: <PC1740200508230955540468461e3e8a@msapiro>
References: <PC1740200508230955540468461e3e8a@msapiro>
Message-ID: <430B5FDC.8090006@christiananton.de>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Christian Anton wrote:
>  
>
>>I was now searching a link to the archives in the web-admininterface 
>>later than login as a subscribed user, but did not find it.
>>    
>>
>
>If you haven't modified the listinfo page for the list, the last thing
>in the first section (About listname) is:
>
> To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the listname
> Archives. (The current archive is only available to the list members.)
>
>where "listname Archives" is the link.
>
>--
>Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
>San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>  
>
Argl....

When i created the list i dropped this point out of the listinfo page 
because i thought we would not need any type of archives on this list, 
but now we do want.
I have copied the html snippet of another list and now it runs again.


thank you very much


Christian


From sean at adoptionmedia.com  Tue Aug 23 19:47:49 2005
From: sean at adoptionmedia.com (Sean Roe)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:47:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce list weirdness
Message-ID: <430B6145.3020908@adoptionmedia.com>

Hi All,

I am having a very strange problem with my mailman install, I keep 
getting these emails and I have no idea how to stop them.  I have exim4 
turned off as well as mailman unti I can figure this out we send out a 
newsletter once a week to people interested in adoption and only one 
user can send to the list but it seems that all the users are getting 
this mail:

The headers are:
 From emag-bounces at mailman01.adoptionweek.com  Mon Aug 22 16:24:07 2005
Return-Path: <emag-bounces at mailman01.adoptionweek.com>
Received: from mailman01.adoptionweek.com (Debian-exim@[192.168.1.31])
        by mail.adoptionmedia.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 
j7MNO515014228
        (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO)
        for <collaboration at adoptionmedia.com>; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:24:05 
-0700
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=mailman01.adoptionweek.com ident=mailman)
        by mailman01.adoptionweek.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50)
        id 1E7LPW-00034t-FM; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:08:58 -0700
Received: from [70.84.169.194] (helo=aac.dropspam.com)
        by mailman01.adoptionweek.com with smtp (Exim 4.50)
        id 1E5HGE-0004p3-57
        for emag at mail.adoptionweek.com; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:18:50 -0700
Received: (qmail 30295 invoked by uid 500); 17 Aug 2005 07:17:39 -0000
Date: 17 Aug 2005 07:17:39 -0000
Message-ID: <20050817071739.30294.qmail at aac.dropspam.com>
To: emag at mailman01.adoptionweek.com
Subject: [URGENT] - URGENT RESPONSE REQUIRED
Content-type: text/plain
From: emag at mailman01.adoptionweek.com
X-BeenThere: emag at mail.adoptionweek.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6
Precedence: list
Reply-To: emag-owner at adoptionweek.com
List-Id: <emag.mail.adoptionweek.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.adoptionweek.com/mailman/listinfo/emag>,
        <mailto:emag-request at mail.adoptionweek.com?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.adoptionweek.com/mailman/private/emag>
List-Post: <mailto:emag at mail.adoptionweek.com>
List-Help: <mailto:emag-request at mail.adoptionweek.com?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.adoptionweek.com/mailman/listinfo/emag>,
        <mailto:emag-request at mail.adoptionweek.com?subject=subscribe>
Sender: emag-bounces at mailman01.adoptionweek.com
Errors-To: emag-bounces at mailman01.adoptionweek.com
X-mail.adoptionmedia.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP 
for mor
e information
X-mail.adoptionmedia.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean
X-MailScanner-From: emag-bounces at mail.adoptionweek.com
Status: RO
X-Status:
X-Keywords:
X-UID: 62598



Here is a sample of the email:

Dear emag at mail.adoptionweek.com,

- URGENT RESPONSE REQUIRED -

Please note, an immediate response is required to prevent your messages 
from being automatically deleted.

Your e-mail to emag at adoptionweek.com was NOT delievered.

emag at adoptionweek.com is protected against viruses and spam by 
www.dropspam.com, and all new senders are required to be authenticated 
by clicking on the link below.

Please follow this link to add yourself to the approved sender list of 
emag at adoptionweek.com.

http://verify.dropspam.com/verify.cgi?key=3209/emag%40mail.adoptionweek.com/aac02160/1 




Thank you!


Dropspam.com

Block 100% of viruses and spam.
http://www.dropspam.com


From esj at harvee.org  Tue Aug 23 19:28:29 2005
From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:28:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list members treated as nonmembers problem
Message-ID: <defmbp$nio$1@sea.gmane.org>

mailman 2.1.5 on gentoo

I was upgrading from 2.0.God knows how old on a Red Hat eight system.  I 
moved the list and archive directories over into the 2.1.5 hierarchy. 
Whenever I send a message to a list, the message is held and I am told I 
am not a member of that list even though I can see it in the Web user 
interface.

I've probably messed up other things in the conversion but it was rather 
hurried because of problems with the old system which no longer has a 
working power supply..  (in other words, please don't tell me I need 
more data from the old installation because it means using screwdrivers 
and other sharp objects when I'm stressed ;-)

some help would be most appreciated.

---eric



From fuzzie at vohslaw.com  Tue Aug 23 19:54:42 2005
From: fuzzie at vohslaw.com (Chuck Vohs)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:54:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages are lost...I have followed FAQs 3.14
In-Reply-To: <PC1740200508230925440265461e3db5@msapiro>
References: <PC1740200508230925440265461e3db5@msapiro>
Message-ID: <430B62E2.6090800@vohslaw.com>



Mark Sapiro wrote:

> The "really strange file names" are normal.
>
>Somewhere in processing the message, Mailman is encountering an error
>which causes the message to be shunted. There should be messages in
>Mailman's error log giving more detail.
>
>After the underlying problem is found and resolved, the shunted
>messages can be reprocessed with bin/unshunt if desired.
>  
>
Thanks so much Mark.  You are right, in the error log, this entry repeats:

Aug 23 10:29:58 2005 (14333) SHUNTING: 
1124807396.5748971+07b93b33553514b955399dacc91a5ca6df015192
Aug 23 10:34:53 2005 (14333) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII decoding 
error: ordinal not in range(128)
Aug 23 10:34:53 2005 (14333) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", 
line 111, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", 
line 167, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", 
line 73, in _dispose
    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", 
line 131, in process
    Decorate.process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 
98, in process
    ufooter = unicode(footer, lcset)
UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

I have tried reinstalling mailman.  I'm not sure what to make of this error.



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Aug 23 19:57:49 2005
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:57:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.6 MM,
	htdig and MHonarc integration patches available
Message-ID: <a44b7bd24c26037f355a59bbfc97cb5a@openinfo.co.uk>

If anyone is still using them, I have finally found time to prepare MM  
2.1.6 compatible versions of some patches I have been publishing for  
some years to support integration of Mailman with htdig (for archive  
search) and MM with MHonArc (for archive content page generation).

These are available at the following URLs. Any problem then email me.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/? 
func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/? 
func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/? 
func=detail&aid=760567&group_id=103&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/? 
func=detail&aid=820723&group_id=103&atid=300103

and also available via my own web site (which is now working again):

http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/index.html



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 20:05:03 2005
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:05:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.6 MM,
	htdig and MHonarc integration patches available
In-Reply-To: <a44b7bd24c26037f355a59bbfc97cb5a@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <a44b7bd24c26037f355a59bbfc97cb5a@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e04a6c92050823110540c792fc@mail.gmail.com>

On 23/08/05, Richard Barrett <r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk> wrote:
> If anyone is still using them, I have finally found time to prepare MM
> 2.1.6 compatible versions of some patches I have been publishing for
> some years to support integration of Mailman with htdig (for archive
> search) and MM with MHonArc (for archive content page generation).

WOO HOO!!

Thank you Richard. I've been waiting for them to be updated for MM 2.1.6.

Now, *I* just need to find the time to test and upgrade my server :(

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From sjsobol at JustThe.net  Tue Aug 23 20:47:11 2005
From: sjsobol at JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:47:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual host not working?
In-Reply-To: <PC17402005082216534007817acc6275@msapiro>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0508231446190.3848-100000@amethyst.justthe.net>

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 
> If all you want to change is the e-mail host for a list and not the web
> URL, you can change this on the list's General options page - it's the
> host_name attribute. It is probably spamcon.org - change it to
> lists.spamcon.org.

That was what was wrong.

I've used Mailman for a couple years now, at least, but I set up lists so 
infrequently that I didn't remember that option existed.

Thanks to you and others who replied.

**SJS
 
-- 
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek   888-480-4638   PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
Company website: http://JustThe.net/
Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/
E: sjsobol at JustThe.net Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307




From mangoo at mch.one.pl  Tue Aug 23 21:37:02 2005
From: mangoo at mch.one.pl (Tomasz Chmielewski)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:37:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no posts appear on a new list
In-Reply-To: <PC17402005082216344101567acc6005@msapiro>
References: <PC17402005082216344101567acc6005@msapiro>
Message-ID: <430B7ADE.4060307@mch.one.pl>

Mark Sapiro schrieb:
> Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
> 
> 
>>I'm just trying to set up mailman, but I can't make it work.
>>
>>When I send an email to a list, all I can see is this entry in "info" 
>>log of Postfix:
>>
>>Aug 22 23:18:58 mangoo2 postfix/local[12738]: 1BC3EF0021: 
>>to=<dupa at servername>, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent (delivered to 
>>command: /opt/mailman/mail/mailman post dupa)
>>
>>
>>and that's it, no Postfix errors nor other entries, no mailman logs, no 
>>clue.
>>
>>What should I look for?
> 
> 
> 
> Are the qrunners running? I.e., did you do
> 
> mailmanctl start
> 
> or some equivalent script.

It seems that was it, it wasn't running.

However, it doesn't start:

# bin/mailmanctl start
Vermisse die Mailingliste: mailman

(which we can translate "missing mailing list: mailman")


Why it wants a list called "mailman" if I never created it (and never 
wanted), but I created other lists instead?


-- 
Tomek


From mangoo at mch.one.pl  Tue Aug 23 21:41:06 2005
From: mangoo at mch.one.pl (Tomasz Chmielewski)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:41:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no posts appear on a new list
In-Reply-To: <430B7ADE.4060307@mch.one.pl>
References: <PC17402005082216344101567acc6005@msapiro>
	<430B7ADE.4060307@mch.one.pl>
Message-ID: <430B7BD2.9050201@mch.one.pl>

Tomasz Chmielewski schrieb:

(...)

> It seems that was it, it wasn't running.
> 
> However, it doesn't start:
> 
> # bin/mailmanctl start
> Vermisse die Mailingliste: mailman
> 
> (which we can translate "missing mailing list: mailman")
> 
> 
> Why it wants a list called "mailman" if I never created it (and never 
> wanted), but I created other lists instead?

OK, it seems all I needed to do was:

bin/newlist mailman


-- 
Tomek
http://wpkg.org


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Aug 23 21:43:11 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:43:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no posts appear on a new list
In-Reply-To: <430B7ADE.4060307@mch.one.pl>
References: <PC17402005082216344101567acc6005@msapiro>
	<430B7ADE.4060307@mch.one.pl>
Message-ID: <p06200752bf312c55517f@[10.0.1.210]>

At 9:37 PM +0200 2005-08-23, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:

>  Why it wants a list called "mailman" if I never created it (and never
>  wanted), but I created other lists instead?

	If you had searched the FAQ before posting, you should have 
discovered that the "mailman" site list is required for the operation 
of Mailman.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 23 23:33:06 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:33:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages are lost...I have followed FAQs 3.14
In-Reply-To: <430B62E2.6090800@vohslaw.com>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082314330608758c03afb1@msapiro>

Chuck Vohs wrote:

>Thanks so much Mark.  You are right, in the error log, this entry repeats:
>
>Aug 23 10:29:58 2005 (14333) SHUNTING: 
>1124807396.5748971+07b93b33553514b955399dacc91a5ca6df015192
>Aug 23 10:34:53 2005 (14333) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII decoding 
>error: ordinal not in range(128)
>Aug 23 10:34:53 2005 (14333) Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", 
>line 111, in _oneloop
>    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", 
>line 167, in _onefile
>    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>  File 
>"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", 
>line 73, in _dispose
>    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>  File 
>"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", 
>line 131, in process
>    Decorate.process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>  File 
>"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 
>98, in process
>    ufooter = unicode(footer, lcset)
>UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)
>
>I have tried reinstalling mailman.  I'm not sure what to make of this error.


It looks like msg_footer (on the list's Non-digest options page), and
possibly also digest_footer (on the list's Digest options page), has a
non-ascii character in it.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From fuzzie at vohslaw.com  Tue Aug 23 23:51:30 2005
From: fuzzie at vohslaw.com (Chuck Vohs)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:51:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages are lost...I have followed FAQs 3.14
In-Reply-To: <PC17402005082314330608758c03afb1@msapiro>
References: <PC17402005082314330608758c03afb1@msapiro>
Message-ID: <430B9A62.4030704@vohslaw.com>



Mark Sapiro wrote:

>
>
>It looks like msg_footer (on the list's Non-digest options page), and
>possibly also digest_footer (on the list's Digest options page), has a
>non-ascii character in it.
>
>  
>
You rock!
That was it...not sure how that happened, but I deleted the footers, and 
it works fine.
Thanks so much.


From msapiro at value.net  Wed Aug 24 02:38:04 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:38:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list members treated as nonmembers problem
In-Reply-To: <defmbp$nio$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082317380406255676bb75@msapiro>

Eric S. Johansson wrote:

>mailman 2.1.5 on gentoo
>
>I was upgrading from 2.0.God knows how old on a Red Hat eight system.  I 
>moved the list and archive directories over into the 2.1.5 hierarchy. 
>Whenever I send a message to a list, the message is held and I am told I 
>am not a member of that list even though I can see it in the Web user 
>interface.

The poster is validated as a list member in various ways depending in
particular on the Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py setting of
USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER. Read the comments about this and about
SENDER_HEADERS in Defaults.py, and also understand what headers are
put in your message and what envelope sender is set by your MUA/MTA.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Aug 24 02:51:14 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:51:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce list weirdness
In-Reply-To: <430B6145.3020908@adoptionmedia.com>
Message-ID: <PC174020050823175114075041cf5d9c@msapiro>

Sean Roe wrote:
>
>I am having a very strange problem with my mailman install, I keep 
>getting these emails and I have no idea how to stop them.  I have exim4 
>turned off as well as mailman unti I can figure this out we send out a 
>newsletter once a week to people interested in adoption and only one 
>user can send to the list but it seems that all the users are getting 
>this mail:


This is strange. Ordinarily, I would say that one of your list
subscribers uses the dropspam.com mail filtering service and the
"approval" message from dropspam.org in response to a received list
post is being sent back to the list and accepted for posting.

It seems that this scenario is somewhat correct except from the
contents of the "approval" message, the subscriber appears to be
emag at adoptionweek.com which appears to be the list posting address so
I'm confused as to what your setup actually is.

In any case, if you follow the suggestion in
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.034.htp
and moderate everyone and post using "approved:", the dropspam.com
"approval" message won't make it through to the list.


>The headers are:
> From emag-bounces at mailman01.adoptionweek.com  Mon Aug 22 16:24:07 2005
>Return-Path: <emag-bounces at mailman01.adoptionweek.com>
>Received: from mailman01.adoptionweek.com (Debian-exim@[192.168.1.31])
>        by mail.adoptionmedia.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 
>j7MNO515014228
>        (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO)
>        for <collaboration at adoptionmedia.com>; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:24:05 
>-0700
>Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=mailman01.adoptionweek.com ident=mailman)
>        by mailman01.adoptionweek.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50)
>        id 1E7LPW-00034t-FM; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:08:58 -0700
>Received: from [70.84.169.194] (helo=aac.dropspam.com)
>        by mailman01.adoptionweek.com with smtp (Exim 4.50)
>        id 1E5HGE-0004p3-57
>        for emag at mail.adoptionweek.com; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:18:50 -0700
>Received: (qmail 30295 invoked by uid 500); 17 Aug 2005 07:17:39 -0000
>Date: 17 Aug 2005 07:17:39 -0000
>Message-ID: <20050817071739.30294.qmail at aac.dropspam.com>
>To: emag at mailman01.adoptionweek.com
>Subject: [URGENT] - URGENT RESPONSE REQUIRED
>Content-type: text/plain
>From: emag at mailman01.adoptionweek.com
>X-BeenThere: emag at mail.adoptionweek.com
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6
>Precedence: list
>Reply-To: emag-owner at adoptionweek.com
>List-Id: <emag.mail.adoptionweek.com>
>List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.adoptionweek.com/mailman/listinfo/emag>,
>        <mailto:emag-request at mail.adoptionweek.com?subject=unsubscribe>
>List-Archive: <http://lists.adoptionweek.com/mailman/private/emag>
>List-Post: <mailto:emag at mail.adoptionweek.com>
>List-Help: <mailto:emag-request at mail.adoptionweek.com?subject=help>
>List-Subscribe: <http://lists.adoptionweek.com/mailman/listinfo/emag>,
>        <mailto:emag-request at mail.adoptionweek.com?subject=subscribe>
>Sender: emag-bounces at mailman01.adoptionweek.com
>Errors-To: emag-bounces at mailman01.adoptionweek.com
>X-mail.adoptionmedia.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP 
>for mor
>e information
>X-mail.adoptionmedia.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean
>X-MailScanner-From: emag-bounces at mail.adoptionweek.com
>Status: RO
>X-Status:
>X-Keywords:
>X-UID: 62598
>
>
>
>Here is a sample of the email:
>
>Dear emag at mail.adoptionweek.com,
>
>- URGENT RESPONSE REQUIRED -
>
>Please note, an immediate response is required to prevent your messages 
>from being automatically deleted.
>
>Your e-mail to emag at adoptionweek.com was NOT delievered.
>
>emag at adoptionweek.com is protected against viruses and spam by 
>www.dropspam.com, and all new senders are required to be authenticated 
>by clicking on the link below.
>
>Please follow this link to add yourself to the approved sender list of 
>emag at adoptionweek.com.
>
>http://verify.dropspam.com/verify.cgi?key=3209/emag%40mail.adoptionweek.com/aac02160/1 
>
>
>
>
>Thank you!
>
>
>Dropspam.com
>
>Block 100% of viruses and spam.
>http://www.dropspam.com

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From esj at harvee.org  Wed Aug 24 03:41:13 2005
From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:41:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list members treated as nonmembers problem
In-Reply-To: <PC17402005082317380406255676bb75@msapiro>
References: <defmbp$nio$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<PC17402005082317380406255676bb75@msapiro>
Message-ID: <430BD039.8050801@harvee.org>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> The poster is validated as a list member in various ways depending in
> particular on the Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py setting of
> USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER. Read the comments about this and about
> SENDER_HEADERS in Defaults.py, and also understand what headers are
> put in your message and what envelope sender is set by your MUA/MTA.

thank you.  That was exactly the clues I needed.  the problem seemed to 
be related to a friend of mine running mailman list on virtual machine 
here.  We were having all sorts of problems with SPF message rejection 
and when we tried: SENDER_HEADERS = ('sender') the problems went away 
(why? I have no idea).

so, I copied and got bit.  It's probably additionally some interaction 
between postfix and mailman in terms of what gets sent in the SMTP 
transaction but what the heck, it's working now and I can live with it.

thanks again for the help.

---eric



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Aug 24 05:06:01 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:06:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Instrumentation and Harvesting
In-Reply-To: <430A1B9C.40206@sri.com>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082320060101403040aead@msapiro>

Chris Brigham wrote:
>
>I'm working on a project that will be attempting to instrument Mailman
>events and harvest message archives and list membership.  Is there a way
>to do any of this programmatically?  Will I have to manually scrape the
>administration pages and subscribe a bot to the list that I want to
>manage?  Do any external APIs exist?

The bin/list_members script is the preferred way to get the membership
of a list.

See some of the threads returned by
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amail.python.org+inurl%3Amailman-users+%22Jean-Philippe+GIOLA%22
for information about using Mailman's external archiver hook in
conjunction with the standard pipermail archive.

What other "events" do you want to instrument and in what way?
Mailman's logs may help.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From mclister at zeesource.net  Wed Aug 24 06:33:50 2005
From: mclister at zeesource.net (Claire McLister)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:33:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman users on a World Map
Message-ID: <d2eb9265ba767e75159c7bb506ef30a0@zeesource.net>

Hi,

  We've been playing around with the new Google Maps API, and have
created a service for groups to easily create a world map locating
their members, at http://www.zeemaps.com

  I've taken the liberty of creating a map for Mailman users at:

  http://www.zeemaps.com/map.do?group=319

  Please go to this link and mark your location on this map, using the
password 'mailman'

  Will be cool to see a world map locating Mailman users.

  Let me know if you have any questions, etc.

  Best wishes

Claire

  --
  Claire McLister ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  mclister at zeesource.net
  1684 Nightingale Avenue ? ??Suite 201
  Sunnyvale, CA 94087? ? ? ?     408-733-2737(fax)

                      http://www.zeesource.net



From darko.longin at pa.press.net  Wed Aug 24 09:42:36 2005
From: darko.longin at pa.press.net (Darko Longin)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:42:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to confirm subscription with outlook
Message-ID: <989C2759E25A2749BF9E165F7A02C99C2FD9A0@silver.howden.press.net>

Thank you Mark,

That's fixed it... Im's surprised that Outlook/Exchange does not support
VERP but, really, I don't think I should be. 
It's a shame I'm having to disable it as all other (free) mailers worked
just fine. Ah well...

http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#verpin

Again, thank you for the help

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net]
Sent: 23 August 2005 17:39
To: Darko Longin; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to confirm subscription with outlook


Darko Longin wrote:

>outlook 2000 (or any other version)
>
>We've come across a problem where exchange users who wish to confirm their
>subscription via email get the following error:
>
>>snip
>> 
>> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>> original message.
>> 
>> 
>> - Unprocessed:
>>     RE: Your confirmation is required to join the some-internal-list
>mailing 
>> 	list

<snip>

>I've compared the headers and can not see any noticeable difference?! I
just
>can not understand why (if?) it matters where the mailbox sits? Is exchange
>doing something weird here?

Absolutely. The subject "RE: Your confirmation is required to join the
some-internal-list mailing list"

Says you have "VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes" in mm_cfg.py which produces
that subject in the confirmation e-mail and a From: address of the form

From: listname-request at example.com+<cookie>

Outlook/exchange is dropping/munging the "+<cookie>" part of the
address in the reply.

You can remove "VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes" from mm_cfg.py which will
make the confirmation be

From: listname-request at example.com

with

Subject: confirm <cookie>

This format may work with outlook/exchange. You also may be able to
configure exchange to preserve the "+<cookie>" part of the address in
the reply.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From richardgruver at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 24 13:24:06 2005
From: richardgruver at hotmail.com (Richard Gruver)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:24:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list archive - how to erase messages
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV14482AB4A6606026C62C5BA9A80@phx.gbl>

I can't seem to be able to erase the test messages in my mailing list
archive. I figured it would be a simple task, but the more I look into it,
the more complicated it seems. I noticed that the URL is
http://sealth85.com/pipermail/classmates_sealth85.com/, but I don't see the
folder "pipermail" when I access the site through FrontPage, nor do I see it
through cPanel.  All I want to do is erase those first test messages I sent
to the list.  Can anyone help me to "see the light"?




Thanks,
-Richard

 

 

 



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Aug 24 17:53:33 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:53:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list archive - how to erase messages
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV14482AB4A6606026C62C5BA9A80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508240853330031c6bd1c40@msapiro>

Richard Gruver wrote:

>I can't seem to be able to erase the test messages in my mailing list
>archive. I figured it would be a simple task, but the more I look into it,
>the more complicated it seems.


Go to the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 3.3

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From dmclarkici at gmail.com  Wed Aug 24 18:26:51 2005
From: dmclarkici at gmail.com (David Clark)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:26:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved mailman, not arhchiving
Message-ID: <4880146F-3C3C-4995-9A9A-B93100C515C2@gmail.com>

Hi,

I have looked everywhere, tried everything, with no luck..

We have recently switched webhosts, and have migrated existing lists  
(about 10 of them).

People can send to the list (it gets broadcasted no problem), and new  
users can join existing lists.

The mail is not being added to the archive, and moderated email  is  
not added to the queue (even though the moderator does get notified  
of pending mail).

I added a new test list, and everything worked fine.

The only difference that I can find is that the db for the new list  
has the "sticky bit" on..

I need other ideas to try.

Thanks,

---
David Clark




From dpifer at odu.edu  Wed Aug 24 20:07:02 2005
From: dpifer at odu.edu (Darren G Pifer)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:07:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman bounces
Message-ID: <1124906821.32322.21.camel@becks.occs.odu.edu>

Hello,

      Yesterday, one of our list admins sent mail to a bunch
of his list serves, however, he got the same message from
each one. I did not see anything is mailmans logs to know
why this failed.

Has anyone seen this and know a resolution?:

 mailman-bounces at list.odu.edu
To 
             08/23/2005 03:19         
listxxxx-owner at list.odu.edu        
             PM
                                                                  
Subject 
                                       Uncaught bounce notification

The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).

For more information see: http://list.odu.edu/admin/listxxxx/bounce

Our user needs to get these out TODAY! So any help is appreciated.

Darren
Old Dominion University



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Aug 24 21:36:33 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:36:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list archive - how to erase messages
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV14482AB4A6606026C62C5BA9A80@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-DAV14482AB4A6606026C62C5BA9A80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <p0620075ebf327ca925c7@[10.0.1.210]>

At 4:24 AM -0700 2005-08-24, Richard Gruver wrote:

>  I can't seem to be able to erase the test messages in my mailing list
>  archive. I figured it would be a simple task, but the more I look into it,
>  the more complicated it seems.

	Try going to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and search for "remove a 
post".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From j.espinoza.usa at gmail.com  Wed Aug 24 23:29:02 2005
From: j.espinoza.usa at gmail.com (Joe Espinoza)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:29:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about 'Footer' that is automatically added
	by MailMan & Members List Info
Message-ID: <471cce5905082414293b5d5859@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings All;

I'm a band new user to MailMan and I have a few quick questions.

1.) Questions On Footer

In a few test messages that I've sent out with MailMan, I notice that
MailMan adds a footer, something like this:

_______________________________________________
   %(real_name)s mailing list
   %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
   %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s

Now in your FAQ, it does give some examples of variables that are used
in order to generate the footer.

My question is, if I want to totally edit the footer and possibly add
let's say a jpeg/gif to it...is this possible? If so, how?

If I want to completely strip out the footer, so it either shows no
information or the footer is not even added...is this possible? If so,
how?

2.) Questions On Members List

Within the MailMan WebUI it allows me to view the Members List. I can
also go to the specific WebUI for each specific Mailing List and view
the member info there.

My question is, is there a way to 'download' or 'export' this
information in plain ascii/text format? Is this information already
kept in a similar format somewhere in the MailMan directories?

FYI, I have a VPS Server running Fedora-Core 2. I have full root/ssh
access as well and I'm utilizing MailMan through the cPanel interface.

Thanks ahead of time!

Joe


From rick at icn.net  Wed Aug 24 23:31:17 2005
From: rick at icn.net (Richard Barnes)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:31:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Having admin problem with 1 list
Message-ID: <430CE725.6010300@icn.net>

Hello,
  On the mailman server I have setup there is 1 list not functioning 
correctly. When I try to subscribe to the list, there is no entry 
created on the pending subscribe page, but there is a entry in the 
subscribe log. Also, the admin pending requests email is not function 
for this list either. All other lists are working properly. This problem 
just started a few days ago and there have been not updates to mailman 
or postfix.

Unfortunately,this server was setup by someone else and I am not sure 
exactly what I'm looking for. Especially since the log files seem to be 
in order.

Any help in getting pointed in the right direction would be greatly 
appreciated.

Thanks,
Rick


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Aug 25 01:26:50 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:26:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about 'Footer' that is automatically
	addedby MailMan & Members List Info
In-Reply-To: <471cce5905082414293b5d5859@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508241626500578969e42f4@msapiro>

Joe Espinoza wrote:
>
>1.) Questions On Footer
>
>In a few test messages that I've sent out with MailMan, I notice that
>MailMan adds a footer, something like this:
>
>_______________________________________________
>   %(real_name)s mailing list
>   %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
>   %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s
>
>Now in your FAQ, it does give some examples of variables that are used
>in order to generate the footer.
>
>My question is, if I want to totally edit the footer and possibly add
>let's say a jpeg/gif to it...is this possible? If so, how?


You can't add html tags (actually characters '<', '>' and '&') to the
footer because these characters are escaped to prevent cross site
scripting attacks. In any case, the footer is always added to the
message as plain text so any html or any kind of attachment would not
be properly rendered in any case.


>If I want to completely strip out the footer, so it either shows no
>information or the footer is not even added...is this possible? If so,
>how?


Yes. Just go to the list's Non-digest options page, remove the text
from the msg_footer box and click "Submit Your Changes". Then no
footer will be added.


>2.) Questions On Members List
>
>Within the MailMan WebUI it allows me to view the Members List. I can
>also go to the specific WebUI for each specific Mailing List and view
>the member info there.
>
>My question is, is there a way to 'download' or 'export' this
>information in plain ascii/text format? Is this information already
>kept in a similar format somewhere in the MailMan directories?


bin/list_members

See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp
(not a complete list).

The membership list is stored as a Python pickle also containing member
options, list config, etc. in the file lists/<listname>/config.pck.


>FYI, I have a VPS Server running Fedora-Core 2. I have full root/ssh
>access as well and I'm utilizing MailMan through the cPanel interface.


See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Aug 25 02:00:04 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:00:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman bounces
In-Reply-To: <1124906821.32322.21.camel@becks.occs.odu.edu>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082417000400156cc2ee33@msapiro>

Darren G Pifer wrote:
>
>      Yesterday, one of our list admins sent mail to a bunch
>of his list serves, however, he got the same message from
>each one. I did not see anything is mailmans logs to know
>why this failed.
>
>Has anyone seen this and know a resolution?:
>
> mailman-bounces at list.odu.edu
>To 
>             08/23/2005 03:19         
>listxxxx-owner at list.odu.edu        
>             PM
>                                                                  
>Subject 
>                                       Uncaught bounce notification
>
>The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
>format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
>from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
>unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).
>
>For more information see: http://list.odu.edu/admin/listxxxx/bounce
>
>Our user needs to get these out TODAY! So any help is appreciated.

Most likely, the posts did go out when sent. Check Mailman's 'post' log
and maybe 'smtp' and 'smtp-failure' too.

The unrecognized bounce message means a message was received back at
the listname-bounces address which was not a recognizable delivery
status notification (DSN). This could happen because a subscribers
mail was undeliverable and that subscribers mail server sends back a
DSN in an unknown format. It can also be totally unrelated to the
post, or it can be a subscriber who received the post sending a reply
to the listname-bounces address.

The way to tell is to look at the actual message which was received at
the listname-bounces address and which was attached to the message you
quote above.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Aug 25 02:27:25 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:27:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved mailman, not arhchiving
In-Reply-To: <4880146F-3C3C-4995-9A9A-B93100C515C2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC174020050824172725010987b0dc26@msapiro>

David Clark wrote:
>
>We have recently switched webhosts, and have migrated existing lists  
>(about 10 of them).
>
>People can send to the list (it gets broadcasted no problem), and new  
>users can join existing lists.
>
>The mail is not being added to the archive, and moderated email  is  
>not added to the queue (even though the moderator does get notified  
>of pending mail).
>
>I added a new test list, and everything worked fine.
>
>The only difference that I can find is that the db for the new list  
>has the "sticky bit" on..

Do you really mean the "sticky bit" or are you confusing that with the
setgid bit? Setgid is the "s" in the 'group' position (sticky is the
"s" in the 'other' position) and is important. If you can, run
'bin/check_perms -f' as root until it stops reporting errors. This may
help.

Do you see any errors in Mailman's 'error' log?

--
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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From rfk at istop.com  Thu Aug 25 05:55:13 2005
From: rfk at istop.com (Robert F. Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:55:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved mailman, not arhchiving
In-Reply-To: <4880146F-3C3C-4995-9A9A-B93100C515C2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <018601c5a928$cc77b3b0$1902a8c0@coilnetworks.com>

Hello David,

I had a similar problem when I migrated Mailman from one server to
another. As you described everything works except archiving. On my
system running 'bin/check_perms -f' didn't help. The permissions or
ownership were different on the new installation so Mailman couldn't
write to the archive directory. I haven't fixed the problem due to lack
of time and the folks that I am running the lists for said they can live
without archives. 

If you wouldn't mind, please post to the list when you solve this
problem.

Thanks,
Robert

Robert F. Kennedy
Toronto

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To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved mailman, not arhchiving


Hi,

I have looked everywhere, tried everything, with no luck..

We have recently switched webhosts, and have migrated existing lists  
(about 10 of them).

People can send to the list (it gets broadcasted no problem), and new  
users can join existing lists.

The mail is not being added to the archive, and moderated email  is  
not added to the queue (even though the moderator does get notified  
of pending mail).

I added a new test list, and everything worked fine.

The only difference that I can find is that the db for the new list  
has the "sticky bit" on..

I need other ideas to try.

Thanks,

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From adena at rus.uni-stuttgart.de  Wed Aug 24 14:30:01 2005
From: adena at rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Lorenz Adena)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:30:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce probe question
Message-ID: <20050824143001.59215@infola.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>

Hi,

since i really would like this as an option is there any way to prevent
mailman (2.1.5) from sending list probes to the members who have reached
the lists bounce threshold? I do not want to disablem bounce probing in
general, just for some lists.

Regards

Lorenz Adena
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From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Aug 25 15:11:30 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:11:30 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce probe question
In-Reply-To: <20050824143001.59215@infola.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>
References: <20050824143001.59215@infola.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>
Message-ID: <430DC382.70709@onjapan.net>

On 2005-08-24 21:30, Lorenz Adena wrote:
> since i really would like this as an option is there any way to prevent
> mailman (2.1.5) from sending list probes to the members who have reached
> the lists bounce threshold? I do not want to disablem bounce probing in
> general, just for some lists.

You can set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0 for the lists where 
you want the bouncing subscribers to be immediately unsubscribed. 
(See the Bounce Processing page of the web administrative interface.)

-- 
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From adena at rus.uni-stuttgart.de  Thu Aug 25 15:36:40 2005
From: adena at rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Lorenz Adena)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:36:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce probe question
In-Reply-To: <430DC382.70709@onjapan.net>;
	from Jim Tittsler on Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 10:11:30PM +0900
References: <20050824143001.59215@infola.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>
	<430DC382.70709@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <20050825153640.12056@infola.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>

On Thu 2005-08-25 (22:11), Jim Tittsler wrote:
> > since i really would like this as an option is there any way to prevent
> > mailman (2.1.5) from sending list probes to the members who have reached
> > the lists bounce threshold? I do not want to disablem bounce probing in
> > general, just for some lists.
> 
> You can set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0 for the lists where 
> you want the bouncing subscribers to be immediately unsubscribed. 
> (See the Bounce Processing page of the web administrative interface.)

i tried exactly this:

bounce_score_threshold = 1.0
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0
bounce_notify_owner_on_disable = 0
bounce_notify_owner_on_removal = 0

which did not prevent mailman from sending the probes. I found no
configuration setting to prevent the bounce probe (which was introduced
to mailman in 2.1.5) but - just now - found a hint in the CHANGES file
from the 2.1.6 release:

    - VERP_PROBES is disabled by default.

which suggests the probes can be disabled in 2.1.6 which probably means
i should upgrade my mailman.

any further insight into this topic is appreciated.

Regards

Lorenz Adena
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From dmclarkici at gmail.com  Thu Aug 25 15:43:09 2005
From: dmclarkici at gmail.com (David Clark)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:43:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved mailman, not arhchiving
In-Reply-To: <PC174020050824172725010987b0dc26@msapiro>
References: <PC174020050824172725010987b0dc26@msapiro>
Message-ID: <5638B777-D0B0-4AFA-90BF-64B320D244C0@gmail.com>

On Aug 24, 2005, at 8:27 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> David Clark wrote:
>>
>> The only difference that I can find is that the db for the new list
>> has the "sticky bit" on..
>>
>
> Do you really mean the "sticky bit" or are you confusing that with the
> setgid bit? Setgid is the "s" in the 'group' position (sticky is the
> "s" in the 'other' position) and is important. If you can, run
> 'bin/check_perms -f' as root until it stops reporting errors. This may
> help.
Err, sorry  I misspoke -- I'm no unix guru. A non-working list shows:
drwxrwx---    2 root     mailman      4096 Aug  2 14:54 database
Vs the working list that shows:
drwxrws---    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Aug 24 15:46 database

Running check_perms gives no errors..

>
> Do you see any errors in Mailman's 'error' log\?
Not a one.

I am "this close" to exporting the user lists, removing the list, and  
re-adding it.




From jdennis at redhat.com  Thu Aug 25 15:51:33 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:51:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved mailman, not arhchiving
In-Reply-To: <5638B777-D0B0-4AFA-90BF-64B320D244C0@gmail.com>
References: <PC174020050824172725010987b0dc26@msapiro>
	<5638B777-D0B0-4AFA-90BF-64B320D244C0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1124977893.5918.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 09:43 -0400, David Clark wrote:
> Err, sorry  I misspoke -- I'm no unix guru. A non-working list shows:
> drwxrwx---    2 root     mailman      4096 Aug  2 14:54 database
> Vs the working list that shows:
> drwxrws---    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Aug 24 15:46 database
> 
> Running check_perms gives no errors..

I think you're problem is with the owner of the file, note the non
working file is owned by root while the working version is owned by
mailman. check_perms does not check ownership, only groups and modes so
it would have missed this. Try this as root:

% chown mailman database
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From jean-philippe.giola at st.com  Thu Aug 25 15:54:17 2005
From: jean-philippe.giola at st.com (Jean-Philippe GIOLA)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:54:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private or public list ?
Message-ID: <430DCD89.3060906@st.com>

Hi all!

Is there a way to know, by a command line, if a list is public or private ?

reguards



From Julian_Dunn at cbc.ca  Thu Aug 25 16:07:34 2005
From: Julian_Dunn at cbc.ca (Julian C. Dunn)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:07:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private or public list ?
In-Reply-To: <430DCD89.3060906@st.com>
References: <430DCD89.3060906@st.com>
Message-ID: <1124978854.3216.210.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 15:54 +0200, Jean-Philippe GIOLA wrote:

> Is there a way to know, by a command line, if a list is public or private ?

Use the config_list command and look for the value of "advertised". If
you want to know whether a list's archives are public or private, look
for the value of "archive_private".

- Julian

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From dmclarkici at gmail.com  Thu Aug 25 22:03:52 2005
From: dmclarkici at gmail.com (David Clark)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:03:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved mailman, not arhchiving
In-Reply-To: <5638B777-D0B0-4AFA-90BF-64B320D244C0@gmail.com>
References: <PC174020050824172725010987b0dc26@msapiro>
	<5638B777-D0B0-4AFA-90BF-64B320D244C0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2A7DDA4F-876C-45DA-88E4-EB97382D6816@gmail.com>

> Err, sorry  I misspoke -- I'm no unix guru. A non-working list shows:
> drwxrwx---    2 root     mailman      4096 Aug  2 14:54 database
> Vs the working list that shows:
> drwxrws---    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Aug 24 15:46 database
I have made the owner maillman.

Moderated mail is now queuing correctly, but not archiving yet


From termina at gmail.com  Thu Aug 25 22:22:39 2005
From: termina at gmail.com (Will Twomey)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:22:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with cgi-bin files
Message-ID: <9a6de10508251322219bd772@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using Debian testing, with Postfix 2.x

I installed mailman via apt-get, as well as postfix. Apache2 was
installed from source.

I use virtual domains (which are defined in a mysql database, along
with the users) in postfix.

Mailman is working quite well, except that many of my cgi-bin files
don't seem to work. (I can send and recieve mail, and mailman sends
out emails just fine to people in my lists)

I added, in httpd.conf:
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/

And now I can access http://servername.com/mailman/admin/csc (csc = list name)

I can get past the password prompt, and see the General Information,
but when I click on any link in there, I get 'The document contains no
data'. I changed apache user/group from nobody to www-data (so mailman
would work with it).

/var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin has the following permissions
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root list 24 Aug 25 12:56 cgi-bin -> /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman

The files in that directory all have the following permissions
-rwxr-sr-x  1 root list 6276 May 28 06:54 admin

I'm confused why some pages load fine, and others do not.

Does anyone know of a solution?

Thanks

-Will


From dave at uwm.edu  Fri Aug 26 00:33:24 2005
From: dave at uwm.edu (Dave Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:33:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how much can one mailman support?
Message-ID: <20050825223324.GB25289@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>

Just how many lists can you run on one mailman server on a uniprocessor
dell server running linux and have enough left over so when users request
to know which lists they're on, your box doesn't come to a grinding halt?

We're considering putting 6000 course/section lists on it plus migrating
another similar number of existing lists that used to be sendmail include
style reflectors (prone to spam).

I suspect it may be able to handle the lists, but as soon as users request
to know which lists they're on, are they going to bury the server?




From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Aug 26 01:06:21 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:06:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how much can one mailman support?
In-Reply-To: <20050825223324.GB25289@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
References: <20050825223324.GB25289@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
Message-ID: <p06200703bf33ff034763@[172.16.1.2]>

At 5:33 PM -0500 2005-08-25, Dave Rasmussen wrote:

>  Just how many lists can you run on one mailman server on a uniprocessor
>  dell server running linux and have enough left over so when users request
>  to know which lists they're on, your box doesn't come to a grinding halt?

	Before asking questions like this on the list, you should see the 
Mailman FAQ Wizard at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and 
search for words like "largest" and "performance".

	The short answer is "it depends".  The long answer can be found in the FAQ.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From dave at uwm.edu  Fri Aug 26 01:15:36 2005
From: dave at uwm.edu (Dave Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:15:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] revised question to university users
Message-ID: <20050825231536.GA16447@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>

Can anyone out there from another major university using mailman to
allow communication for all of their course sections, comment on
their hardware configurations for suitable usage? You can email me offline.

Sorry for the previous semi-inept request.



From j.espinoza.usa at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 01:31:27 2005
From: j.espinoza.usa at gmail.com (Joe Espinoza)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:31:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' & Misc.
Message-ID: <471cce5905082516315cb1dd11@mail.gmail.com>

Regarding an earlier question on changing the headers;

I guess something similar can be achieved by;

- Changing the name of the list, to something less obvious

- Enabling the 'Moderated' option for all users by default, so that
way anyone that attempts to post to the list...will not be able to. It
will sit in queue instead and wait for me to release it

Does this sound ok? Is there a better way to achieve something like
this? What are your thoughts?

Also, can I easily "change the name of the list" from the Mailman UI
or do I have to
create a new one?

One more thing, since I'm still a big n00be on email related stuff;

What are the advantages of setting up a mailing list such as this,
instead of copying and pasting tons of email addresses in the 'bcc'
field?

I've noticed that when I have done the 'copy & paste' method, I get
delivery failures/bounce messages, because I'm sending to way too many
recipients. Is this one way how a mailing list provides a greater
advantage? Just sending to one email address instead of many?

Sincerely,

J.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Aug 26 02:35:06 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:35:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] revised question to university users
In-Reply-To: <20050825231536.GA16447@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
References: <20050825231536.GA16447@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
Message-ID: <p06200707bf3413e22bb4@[172.16.1.2]>

At 6:15 PM -0500 2005-08-25, Dave Rasmussen wrote:

>  Can anyone out there from another major university using mailman to
>  allow communication for all of their course sections, comment on
>  their hardware configurations for suitable usage? You can email me
>  offline.

	You might also want to check into the hardware configuration for 
sites like lists.apple.com.  They're definitely one of the larger 
Mailman sites around, and yet their stuff is causing almost no 
measurable load on what is now some surprisingly low-end MacOS X 
hardware.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Aug 26 02:53:08 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:53:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved mailman, not arhchiving
In-Reply-To: <2A7DDA4F-876C-45DA-88E4-EB97382D6816@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC174020050825175308001585e07c77@msapiro>

David Clark wrote:

>> Err, sorry  I misspoke -- I'm no unix guru. A non-working list shows:
>> drwxrwx---    2 root     mailman      4096 Aug  2 14:54 database
>> Vs the working list that shows:
>> drwxrws---    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Aug 24 15:46 database
>I have made the owner maillman.
>
>Moderated mail is now queuing correctly, but not archiving yet

Try (as root)

chmod -R g+s archives/private/<listname>

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Aug 26 06:41:57 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:41:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' & Misc.
In-Reply-To: <471cce5905082516315cb1dd11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082521415700157ab9ee68@msapiro>

Joe Espinoza wrote:

>Regarding an earlier question on changing the headers;
>
>I guess something similar can be achieved by;
>
>- Changing the name of the list, to something less obvious
>
>- Enabling the 'Moderated' option for all users by default, so that
>way anyone that attempts to post to the list...will not be able to. It
>will sit in queue instead and wait for me to release it
>
>Does this sound ok? Is there a better way to achieve something like
>this? What are your thoughts?


It seems you want an "announcement" list. In that case, moderating
everyone is the way to go. See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp
for more info.


>Also, can I easily "change the name of the list" from the Mailman UI
>or do I have to
>create a new one?


No. You can't change the name of a list from the Mailman web UI. If you
have sufficient access to the Mailman installation, you can change the
name of a list as follows. Note that I've never actually done this, so
there may be gotchas somewhere that I haven't thought of.

Change the name of the lists/listname directory.
Change the real_name attribute on the list's General options page to
match the new neme except perhaps for case.
Change the name of the archives/private/listname directory.
Change the name of the archives/private/listname.mbox directory.
Change the name of the archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox
file.
If there are public archives change the name and target of the
archives/public/listname symlink.
Rebuild the archives with bin/arch.

It might be easer to create a new list.


>One more thing, since I'm still a big n00be on email related stuff;
>
>What are the advantages of setting up a mailing list such as this,
>instead of copying and pasting tons of email addresses in the 'bcc'
>field?
>
>I've noticed that when I have done the 'copy & paste' method, I get
>delivery failures/bounce messages, because I'm sending to way too many
>recipients. Is this one way how a mailing list provides a greater
>advantage? Just sending to one email address instead of many?

Again, it seems you're thinking of an "announcement" list since a Bcc
list doesn't work for a discussion list and a Cc list has privacy
concerns.

A big advantage of a mail list manager vs. a Bcc list is the one you
note. A properly installed and configured mail list manager interacts
with its MTA in a way that insures that the mail will be sent to all
list members even if this is thousands or tens of thousands of
recipients. A Bcc list is subject to whatever limitation you might
encounter in the number of recipients that can be specified for a
single SMTP transaction. The Bcc is also cumbersome to manage and
error prone.

Also, the mail list manager can provide other services such as
subscription management, automated bounce processing, etc.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Fri Aug 26 00:03:40 2005
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:03:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman
References: <b695dc9b0508230543151416e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alm.0508260003.7456@windlord.akallabeth.de>

plaza c schrieb:

> Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
> traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
> but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

You should look for that information.

> Is this error of postfix or cgi or something else pls help

You tell us what is in the logs, and perhaps we'll be able to tell you
what that means.

-thh


From thowes at ssi-ltd.com  Fri Aug 26 13:04:51 2005
From: thowes at ssi-ltd.com (Tim Howes)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:04:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some users do not get emails
Message-ID: <20050826110530.C7E4B1E4043@bag.python.org>

Hi

I am reasonably new to using mailman and I have a problem that I cannot
trace.  I have setup a list which is essentially private.  I have managed to
test the list by subscribing myself - however the main users of this list at
Company A do not get any emails i.e. the initial confirmation email hence
are not able to use the list.

I have made sure that the different types of emails are in their spam
program to be by passed i.e. listname-owner or listname-request@

I have also test by using hotmail accounts and gmail accounts and they seem
to be fine.

The only clue I have at present is that the log /var/log/mailman/bounce
appears to have entries for this failed attempts.  But I cannot be sure if
it my setup that is preventing the emails are their system.

Example log entry

Aug 25 12:00:35 2005 (32397) bounce message with non-members of listname:
someone at companyA.com

My mailman version is mailman-2.1.1-5 on RHE3

Thanks in advance for any pointers on this.

Tim



From jwblist at olympus.net  Fri Aug 26 14:45:55 2005
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:45:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some users do not get emails
In-Reply-To: <20050826110530.C7E4B1E4043@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <BF345D13.79D9%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 8/26/05 4:04 AM, "Tim Howes" <thowes at ssi-ltd.com> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I am reasonably new to using mailman and I have a problem that I cannot
> trace.  I have setup a list which is essentially private.  I have managed to
> test the list by subscribing myself - however the main users of this list at
> Company A do not get any emails i.e. the initial confirmation email hence
> are not able to use the list.
> 
> I have made sure that the different types of emails are in their spam
> program to be by passed i.e. listname-owner or listname-request@
> 
> I have also test by using hotmail accounts and gmail accounts and they seem
> to be fine.
> 
> The only clue I have at present is that the log /var/log/mailman/bounce
> appears to have entries for this failed attempts.  But I cannot be sure if
> it my setup that is preventing the emails are their system.
> 
> Example log entry
> 
> Aug 25 12:00:35 2005 (32397) bounce message with non-members of listname:
> someone at companyA.com
> 
> My mailman version is mailman-2.1.1-5 on RHE3
> 
> Thanks in advance for any pointers on this.

If your message to the list came from the same host which sends the mailing
list mail to the list, it is quite likely that companyA.com's mail server is
refusing the messages.  You list message entered the Mailman-users mailing
list system here:

Received: from dns0.ssi.uk.net (unknown [62.89.146.20])
    by bag.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP
    for <mailman-users at python.org>; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:05:30 +0200 (CEST)

host 62.89.146.20
20.146.89.62.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer
62-89-146-20.pool.free.th.hotchilli.net.

(Line broken by email client.)

That IP is on the Spamhaus list, and likely many others.

Check the log entries your MTA creates when you try to send a list message.

  --John




From jane.hermanson at canarie.ca  Fri Aug 26 16:52:18 2005
From: jane.hermanson at canarie.ca (Jane Hermanson)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:52:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notice Digest
Message-ID: <00fb01c5aa4d$c1567680$6701a8c0@canarie.local>

Hi 

As the list admin I'm getting a lot of notices about non-subscribers (mostly
spam) being sent to the lists.  Is there anyway that I can configure mailman
to send me a digest of these notices once a day?

Thanks

Jane




From msapiro at value.net  Fri Aug 26 19:12:28 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:12:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some users do not get emails
In-Reply-To: <20050826110530.C7E4B1E4043@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <PC174020050826101228010996cf8869@msapiro>

Tim Howes wrote:
>
>I have made sure that the different types of emails are in their spam
>program to be by passed i.e. listname-owner or listname-request@


For normal list mail, they may also have to whitelist
listname-bounces at ...


>The only clue I have at present is that the log /var/log/mailman/bounce
>appears to have entries for this failed attempts.  But I cannot be sure if
>it my setup that is preventing the emails are their system.
>
>Example log entry
>
>Aug 25 12:00:35 2005 (32397) bounce message with non-members of listname:
>someone at companyA.com

Go to the list's Bounce processing page and set bounce_score_threshold
to 0.5 and bounce_notify_owner_on_disable to Yes. Then you will
receive a notification with a copy of the bounce message which should
tell you why the message is being bounced.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Aug 26 19:37:09 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:37:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notice Digest
In-Reply-To: <00fb01c5aa4d$c1567680$6701a8c0@canarie.local>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508261037090484aa63300d@msapiro>

Jane Hermanson wrote:
>
>As the list admin I'm getting a lot of notices about non-subscribers (mostly
>spam) being sent to the lists.  Is there anyway that I can configure mailman
>to send me a digest of these notices once a day?

No, not exactly a digest, but if you turn off admin_immed_notify on the
list's General options page you will only get the daily summary of
pending requests, not the individual notices.

Note that this affects all notifications of pending requests, not just
non-member posts.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From halsema at purdue.edu  Fri Aug 26 20:52:30 2005
From: halsema at purdue.edu (Dave Halsema)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:52:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Best way to limit list admin power?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508261346100.12991@pengo.itcs.purdue.edu>

Hi all!

I am looking for a way to limit some of the abilities a list
administrator has over their subscribers on the subscriber member
option pages.

Specifically, I'd like to disable the list administrator from being
able to globally change anything for the user, disable viewing the
other subscriptions, and even disable the setting of a password.

I don't mind the administrator being able to change things for a
subscriber for the particular list they administer, but I don't want
them affecting user options on other lists.

What's the best way to do this?  Has anyone else had to deal with
this issue in a large Mailman installation?  If so, what have you done?

    -Dave


From jane.hermanson at canarie.ca  Fri Aug 26 21:08:27 2005
From: jane.hermanson at canarie.ca (Jane Hermanson)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:08:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notice Digest
In-Reply-To: <PC1740200508261037090484aa63300d@msapiro>
Message-ID: <000201c5aa71$8a36ca00$6701a8c0@canarie.local>

HI Mark

Thanks for the tip.

I also received some another suggestion to :

general options --> "Should the list moderators get immediate notice  
of new requests, as well as daily notices about collected ones?" Set  
to "NO."

The 8 am daily reminders are from cron and can be  eliminated or changed
only by editing the mailman crontab.

So I guess I will try both.

Jane


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net] 
Sent: August 26, 2005 1:37 PM
To: Jane Hermanson; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Notice Digest


Jane Hermanson wrote:
>
>As the list admin I'm getting a lot of notices about non-subscribers 
>(mostly
>spam) being sent to the lists.  Is there anyway that I can configure
mailman
>to send me a digest of these notices once a day?

No, not exactly a digest, but if you turn off admin_immed_notify on the
list's General options page you will only get the daily summary of pending
requests, not the individual notices.

Note that this affects all notifications of pending requests, not just
non-member posts.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Aug 26 22:44:09 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:44:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notice Digest
In-Reply-To: <000201c5aa71$8a36ca00$6701a8c0@canarie.local>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508261344090375f6a5d880@Notebook>

Jane Hermanson wrote:
>
>I also received some another suggestion to :
>
>general options --> "Should the list moderators get immediate notice  
>of new requests, as well as daily notices about collected ones?" Set  
>to "NO."


This is exactly the admin_immed_notify option that I mentioned in my
reply.


>The 8 am daily reminders are from cron and can be  eliminated or changed
>only by editing the mailman crontab.


This is correct, but I gathered from your original request for a
"digest" that you wanted to keep these. If you do want to change the
timing or frequency of these reminders, the relevant crontab entry is
the one that runs checkdbs.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From cwieland at uci.edu  Sat Aug 27 00:34:05 2005
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:34:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers list
Message-ID: <11727BE0-C46F-40FD-8180-E34543A25F1E@uci.edu>

Does anyone know how to get a list of subscribers and the optional  
name for a list?

TIA
Con WIeland


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Aug 27 00:54:37 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:54:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers list
In-Reply-To: <11727BE0-C46F-40FD-8180-E34543A25F1E@uci.edu>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082615543703901e83d76b@Notebook>

Con Wieland wrote:

>Does anyone know how to get a list of subscribers and the optional  
>name for a list?

If you have access to command line tools, see

bin/list_members --help

If not, the e-mail 'who' command will list members and their real
names, but does not list 'hidden' members (those who've opted out of
rosters). Send mail with subject 'help' (w/o quotes) to
listname-request at ... for list specific syntax.

You can also get a complete list with names by scripting the web
interface. See
http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#throughtheweb

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From ifetch at du.edu  Sat Aug 27 03:04:37 2005
From: ifetch at du.edu (Ivan Fetch)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:04:37 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails with a Subject in Chinese to a Mailing
	List
In-Reply-To: <42FCBEDD.7020109@equinephotoart.com>
References: <20050812144418.48571.qmail@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<42FCBEDD.7020109@equinephotoart.com>
Message-ID: <20050826190211.C1730@tnetnzry.hgf.qh.rqh>

Hello,

    We've encountered this issue, and (long story shorter) it is fixed in 
Mailman 2.1.6 if you install the codecs for Python (I believe they come 
with Python 2.4).

    This issue works now for me on a Mailman 2.1.6 test box.  IF you are 
still having difficulty after looking into the codecs for Python, send me 
an email and I'll look more into what I did (this seems like a while ago). 
I believe the codecs are mentioned in the mailman FAQ actually.



Thanks - Ivan.


On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, JC Dill wrote:

> game lover wrote:
>> I am currently using Mailman 2.1.5 provided by a hosting service.
>> When I send emails with a subject in Chinese to a mailing list that I
>> created in Mailman, the emails are always discarded without any
>> notice to the senders and recipients.  Would anyone please help me to
>> solve this issue?  I will appreciate any information on this issue
>
> As your second post (presumably with Chinese characters in the subject
> and body) to this list shows, Chinese characters go thru without any
> problems.  Have you asked your hosting service to look into your problem
> for you?  I suspect your messages are being discarded by a spam filter
> at your host and are never reaching Mailman.
>
> jc
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ifetch%40du.edu
>
> Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&amp;file=faq01.027.htp
>
>


From ifetch at du.edu  Sat Aug 27 09:50:15 2005
From: ifetch at du.edu (Ivan Fetch)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:50:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails with a Subject in Chinese to a Mailing
	List
In-Reply-To: <8d581cfd05082623274ae350ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050812144418.48571.qmail@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<42FCBEDD.7020109@equinephotoart.com>
	<20050826190211.C1730@tnetnzry.hgf.qh.rqh>
	<8d581cfd05082623274ae350ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050827014910.F1730@tnetnzry.hgf.qh.rqh>

Hi,

    Ah exactly - I believe this is what we've got on our test box.


Thanks - Ivan.



On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Bruce Wang wrote:

> On 8/27/05, Ivan Fetch <ifetch at du.edu> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>     We've encountered this issue, and (long story shorter) it is fixed in
>> Mailman 2.1.6 if you install the codecs for Python (I believe they come
>> with Python 2.4).
> and if you are using Python prior to 2.4 say, 2.3.4 etc, you can try cjkcodecs
> http://cjkpython.i18n.org
> -- 
> simple is good
>
>


From Michael.Schaarwaechter at ub.uni-dortmund.de  Sat Aug 27 18:19:41 2005
From: Michael.Schaarwaechter at ub.uni-dortmund.de (Michael Schaarwaechter)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:19:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filter vacation messages?
Message-ID: <4310929D.7070309@ub.uni-dortmund.de>

Hi,

my problem: I can't recognize a vacation message going to a mailman list
just by taking a look at the header. The Mime type filtering doesn't
help, too. I just need a possibility to filter by the content of the
message. I want to hold back messages saying "am not in the office" and
so on.

Has anybody done this already and can give me a hint?

TIA and cheers,
Michael

-- 
   Michael Schaarwaechter
   http://www.schaarwaechter.de
   http://www.inetbib.de
   http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Aug 27 19:05:52 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:05:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filter vacation messages?
In-Reply-To: <4310929D.7070309@ub.uni-dortmund.de>
References: <4310929D.7070309@ub.uni-dortmund.de>
Message-ID: <p0620070fbf364daec0c4@[172.16.1.2]>

At 6:19 PM +0200 2005-08-27, Michael Schaarwaechter wrote:

>  my problem: I can't recognize a vacation message going to a mailman list
>  just by taking a look at the header. The Mime type filtering doesn't
>  help, too. I just need a possibility to filter by the content of the
>  message. I want to hold back messages saying "am not in the office" and
>  so on.

	Mailman has very limited tools for matching regular expressions, 
etc....  You're really much better off catching this sort of thing in 
an external tool like procmail, and then having procmail (or 
whatever) feed the remaining messages to Mailman.

	Search the Mailman FAQ Wizard for "procmail" for details.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Aug 27 19:09:09 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:09:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filter vacation messages?
In-Reply-To: <4310929D.7070309@ub.uni-dortmund.de>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508271009090531c8d135dc@msapiro>

Michael Schaarwaechter wrote:
>
>my problem: I can't recognize a vacation message going to a mailman list
>just by taking a look at the header. The Mime type filtering doesn't
>help, too. I just need a possibility to filter by the content of the
>message. I want to hold back messages saying "am not in the office" and
>so on.
>
>Has anybody done this already and can give me a hint?

I haven't done it. I don't know if anyone has. If you can figure out
how via regexp matching on the message subject or body or some other
way to identify these autoresponse messages, it would be simple enough
to add code to Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py to deal with them.

In fact, if you could identify them by matching the subject against a
regexp, you could just use Privacy options...->Spam
filters->header_filter_rules to deal with them. If you try this and
come up with an effective rule, please let us know.


The problem as I see it is that these autoresponses seem to be entirely
free form and while a human reader can obviously recognize them for
what they are, I'm not smart enough to figure out how to recognize
them programmatically. What is really needed is a standard header
which if present says the message is an autoresponse. I'm not aware of
such, and even if a standard were developed (say an extension to
RFC2822) requiring such a header, it would be almost forever before
all autoresponders complied with it.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From j.espinoza.usa at gmail.com  Sat Aug 27 19:46:17 2005
From: j.espinoza.usa at gmail.com (Joe Espinoza)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:46:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' & Misc.
In-Reply-To: <PC17402005082521415700157ab9ee68@msapiro>
References: <471cce5905082516315cb1dd11@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC17402005082521415700157ab9ee68@msapiro>
Message-ID: <471cce5905082710467cc8567f@mail.gmail.com>

Mark;

Thanks again for all of the help and patience. In regards to this list
actually being an "announcement" list...you're absolutely right and
I'm now going through the link you provided.

Here's what I now plan on doing, based on your suggestions/feedback
and the information on the link you provided;

- Create a new list.

- Under the membership management page, I'll set the Additional Member Tasks to
  turn on the mod flag for all users. That way if anyone sends a msg
to the list, including me...it will sit and wait in the queue until I
release it. Which is nice, especially if I goof up and accidentally
send it out.

- Disable monthly password reminders.

- Strip out the List footer that's automatically added to each message
that's sent out.

Other than what I've listed above, is their anything else that I might
be missing?

For example, since the goal here is for everyone to NOT know that they
are on some sort of list...are their any other
daily/monthly/occasional msgs that Mailman MIGHT send out to the list
other than password reminders?

Also, with this type of List and what I want to accomplish, how can
'automatic bounce-message processing' either help or hinder my goals?

Thanks again for all of the help!

J.


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Aug 27 20:46:50 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:46:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' & Misc.
In-Reply-To: <471cce5905082710467cc8567f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508271146500968da2be3fa@msapiro>

Joe Espinoza wrote:
>
>- Under the membership management page, I'll set the Additional Member Task=
>s to
>  turn on the mod flag for all users. That way if anyone sends a msg
>to the list, including me...it will sit and wait in the queue until I
>release it. Which is nice, especially if I goof up and accidentally
>send it out.


Note that this is a "one time" action that turns on the mod flag for
all current subscribers. You also want to set Privacy
options...->Sender filters->default_member_moderation to Yes so that
future subscribers are moderated by default.

You also want to be sure that Privacy options...->Sender
filters->generic_nonmember_action is set to something other than
Accept - probably Discard if you don't want to confirm the existence
of the list with a rejection message.


>- Disable monthly password reminders.
>
>- Strip out the List footer that's automatically added to each message
>that's sent out.
>
>Other than what I've listed above, is their anything else that I might
>be missing?
>
>For example, since the goal here is for everyone to NOT know that they
>are on some sort of list...are their any other
>daily/monthly/occasional msgs that Mailman MIGHT send out to the list
>other than password reminders?

I think only bounce related messages. See below.

You may also want to set

OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes

in mm_cfg.py and then set Non-digest options->personalize to Full
Personalization which will cause each recipient's message to be To:
his/her address.


>Also, with this type of List and what I want to accomplish, how can
>'automatic bounce-message processing' either help or hinder my goals?

Automated bounce processing helps by ultimately removing dead addresses
from the list without your intervention. The issue in your case is
that bounce processing sends 0 or more warnings (number set by
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings) to the bouncing address before
deleting it and sends a final notification when the address is
deleted. Since an address can be bouncing for a 'temporary' reason
such as a full mailbox or a suspended account that is subsequently
reinstated, the user may receive one of these notices which will
reveal that she/he is/was on the list.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From j.espinoza.usa at gmail.com  Sat Aug 27 21:33:47 2005
From: j.espinoza.usa at gmail.com (Joe Espinoza)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:33:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' & Misc.
In-Reply-To: <PC1740200508271146500968da2be3fa@msapiro>
References: <471cce5905082710467cc8567f@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1740200508271146500968da2be3fa@msapiro>
Message-ID: <471cce590508271233753fd08@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, again a million 'Thank You's'! Regarding the Automated bounce
processing, can I just disable this?

If so, should an email message 'bounce' how will I be notified if I
disable the 'automated bounce processing option? I guess in this case,
I do want to have interaction and intervene manually.

Thanks,

J.


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Aug 27 22:03:45 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:03:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' & Misc.
In-Reply-To: <471cce590508271233753fd08@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508271303450000b0b66fad@msapiro>

Joe Espinoza wrote:

>Mark, again a million 'Thank You's'! Regarding the Automated bounce
>processing, can I just disable this?


Yes. Just set Bounce processing->bounce_processing to No.


>If so, should an email message 'bounce' how will I be notified if I
>disable the 'automated bounce processing option? I guess in this case,
>I do want to have interaction and intervene manually.


If you do nothing else, the returned bounces will be ignored and you
won't see them. If your MTA uses aliases, you can change the alias for
the listname-bounces address to send the mail somewhere else. For
example, if there is an alias that looks like

listname-bounces: "|path_to/mail/mailman bounces listname"

you could change it to

listname-bounces: "|path_to/mail/mailman owner listname"

and all bounces will be sent to the list owner.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From j.espinoza.usa at gmail.com  Sat Aug 27 22:14:42 2005
From: j.espinoza.usa at gmail.com (Joe Espinoza)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:14:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' & Misc.
In-Reply-To: <PC1740200508271303450000b0b66fad@msapiro>
References: <471cce590508271233753fd08@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC1740200508271303450000b0b66fad@msapiro>
Message-ID: <471cce59050827131457d16181@mail.gmail.com>

Mark;

Thank you so much!

J.


From d4rkness at comcast.net  Sun Aug 28 21:22:19 2005
From: d4rkness at comcast.net (David)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:22:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just Joined
Message-ID: <43120EEB.6060009@comcast.net>

Hello people

I just joined this list as I am just starting to mess around with 
Mailman as yahoo  groups blow big chunks.  I'm not a complete web idiot 
but somethings are still a tad too techy for me at times.


-- 
Smoking Stinks! Http://www.nicodemon.info - NO Smoking Community!

FireFox - The Browser That Ate IE!
Thunderbird - The Email Client That Ate OLE!
AIM=Ice Boy 32   YIM=MI_Z0mbie_13



From dspake at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 29 03:10:56 2005
From: dspake at sbcglobal.net (David Spake)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:10:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I'm getting a 95% mass bounce action
Message-ID: <431260A0.1030906@sbcglobal.net>

Hey all,

I've got a problem with Mailman, and I'm unsure as to how to correct it. 
  My host provider runs MailMan 2.1.5.  I like it, but the problem I'm 
having is that I keep getting periodic mass bouncings my list.  I get 
like a 95% "bounce action notification" every three or four weeks.  I've 
got the bounce processor turned off, and all the notifications come to 
me, so the users are unaware (as far as I can tell).  What causes it, is 
beyond my understanding.  I've looked at the posts that are just prior 
to the mass bounce notificiations, and they don't look any different 
than any other post.

What, if anything, can I do to try and track this down.  I don't mind 
unbouncing everyone (it's only 60 users or so), but 5 times this month 
has gotten old.

Granted I'm a user on a hosted system, but the admin's are really laid 
back, and I've worked closely with them for almost 6 years now.  I'm 
pretty sure they'd take any suggestions for actions very seriously.

Thanks for your ideas,

Dave




From msapiro at value.net  Mon Aug 29 05:16:59 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:16:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I'm getting a 95% mass bounce action
In-Reply-To: <431260A0.1030906@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082820165901097d513ba8@msapiro>

David Spake wrote:
>
>I've got a problem with Mailman, and I'm unsure as to how to correct it. 
>  My host provider runs MailMan 2.1.5.  I like it, but the problem I'm 
>having is that I keep getting periodic mass bouncings my list.  I get 
>like a 95% "bounce action notification" every three or four weeks.


And what's in them. Do they contain a copy of the Delivery Status
Notification. What does it say?


>I've 
>got the bounce processor turned off, and all the notifications come to 
>me, so the users are unaware (as far as I can tell).


I'm not sure why you're seeing anything if bounce processing is turned
off for the list. Normally, returned bounces are just discarded if
bounce processing is off. Perhaps you're talking about notifications
from when bounce processing was on.


>What causes it, is 
>beyond my understanding.  I've looked at the posts that are just prior 
>to the mass bounce notificiations, and they don't look any different 
>than any other post.
>
>What, if anything, can I do to try and track this down.  I don't mind 
>unbouncing everyone (it's only 60 users or so), but 5 times this month 
>has gotten old.


Are you seeing the actual "bounce" notifications that are being
returned? If so, they will tell you why the mail is bouncing. Without
that information, people can only guess.

If you are getting (have gotten) notifications to the list owner from
Mailman, the triggering bounce message should be attached to the
notification.

You could also try adjusting the bounce processing settings. If for
example, you set bounce_score_threshold to 5.0 and
bounce_info_stale_after to 4, then the only people who get disabled
will be those who have five or more bounces with no more than 4 days
between them. It sounds like your "spurious" bounces don't happen that
often, but if you really have a bad address, this should get that as
long as you normally get posts every day or two.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From Michael.Schaarwaechter at ub.uni-dortmund.de  Mon Aug 29 09:15:58 2005
From: Michael.Schaarwaechter at ub.uni-dortmund.de (Michael Schaarwaechter)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:15:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] emailhost vs urlhost
Message-ID: <4312B62E.1030203@ub.uni-dortmund.de>

Hi,

I had to configure different DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST from DEFAULT_URL_HOST.
That works for the lists and for the admin pages of the lists. It
doesn't work for the general overview pages like /mailman/admin and
/mailman/listinfo. The link on the admin page to the listinfo page and
vice versa contains the email_host, not the url_host.

Bug or feature? ;-)

Cheers,
Michael

-- 
   Michael Schaarwaechter
   http://www.schaarwaechter.de
   http://www.inetbib.de
   http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de


From jak at cccmz.de  Mon Aug 29 16:52:24 2005
From: jak at cccmz.de (Fabian Werner)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:52:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI Error in chroot
Message-ID: <20050829145224.GA28129@localhost>

Hello everybody.

Im writing to this list, because i want to get Mailman's web interface
to work. The problem is: Mailman works in a chroot (in partnership with
exim).

Mail delivery and everything works fine, but when i want to use the web
interface i get the following error:

Mailman CGI error!!!
The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being
stored in your syslog:

No such file or directory

There is nothing reported in the syslog, but that may be a fault of my
chroot...

Anyway, Mailman has everything it needs to function in the chroot
(/var/lib/mailman complete and /usr/lib/mailman complete). Those two
mentioned paths contain a symlink called "wrapper".

Question is: Where does mailman search for this wrapper? Why cant he
find it on my system?


Thanks (in advance) for your help!!

Regards, Fabian Werner (germany).


From sythos at sythos.net  Mon Aug 29 16:55:48 2005
From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:55:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI Error in chroot
In-Reply-To: <20050829145224.GA28129@localhost>
References: <20050829145224.GA28129@localhost>
Message-ID: <20050829145548.GB7254@sythos.net>

On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 04:52:24PM +0200, Fabian Werner wrote:
> Anyway, Mailman has everything it needs to function in the chroot
> (/var/lib/mailman complete and /usr/lib/mailman complete). Those two
> mentioned paths contain a symlink called "wrapper".

use "mount bind" to include mailman dir into web chroot, is the easy way
:)

-- 

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  /\                        - against M$ attachments


From msapiro at value.net  Mon Aug 29 19:27:41 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:27:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] emailhost vs urlhost
In-Reply-To: <4312B62E.1030203@ub.uni-dortmund.de>
Message-ID: <PC174020050829102741071806f10b97@msapiro>

Michael Schaarwaechter wrote:
>
>I had to configure different DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST from DEFAULT_URL_HOST.
>That works for the lists and for the admin pages of the lists. It
>doesn't work for the general overview pages like /mailman/admin and
>/mailman/listinfo. The link on the admin page to the listinfo page and
>vice versa contains the email_host, not the url_host.
>
>Bug or feature? ;-)

I think it is a bug. If I am correct, it only appears when
VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW is set Off in mm_cfg.py. In this case, assuming
the deprecated DEFAULT_HOST_NAME is not set, Utils.get_domain()
returns DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST instead of DEFAULT_URL_HOST.

This is not an issue for list specific pages as they use the list
attribute web_page_url.

I have submitted this to the bug tracker. See
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1275856&group_id=103&atid=100103

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Aug 29 19:46:57 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:46:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI Error in chroot
In-Reply-To: <20050829145224.GA28129@localhost>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508291046570140afccbda5@msapiro>

Fabian Werner wrote:
>
>Mail delivery and everything works fine, but when i want to use the web
>interface i get the following error:
>
>Mailman CGI error!!!
>The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being
>stored in your syslog:
>
>No such file or directory
>
>There is nothing reported in the syslog, but that may be a fault of my
>chroot...
>
>Anyway, Mailman has everything it needs to function in the chroot
>(/var/lib/mailman complete and /usr/lib/mailman complete). Those two
>mentioned paths contain a symlink called "wrapper".
>
>Question is: Where does mailman search for this wrapper? Why cant he
>find it on my system?


The reply from Sythos:
>
>use "mount bind" to include mailman dir into web chroot, is the easy way

may be the solution, but I just want to point out that the referenced
message comes from the wrapper so the file that isn't found is not the
wrapper, but rather the script the wrapper is trying to load which is
path_to/scripts/driver where the 'path_to' part was determined by
configure.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From dave at uwm.edu  Mon Aug 29 22:19:17 2005
From: dave at uwm.edu (Dave Rasmussen)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:19:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] envelope sender address massaging?
Message-ID: <20050829201916.GA7229@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>

We have a problem here on campus that I'm sure other sites have addressed.
We currently use user at uwm.edu as our users addresses but in the past and
with some remaining legacy systems they still have user at csd.uwm.edu.

In listproc I used to have an alias file to set to do this for all the
users that would come along and just translate csd.uwm.edu to uwm.edu.
This was not a whitelist by the way.

Is there a way to do this with mailman?



From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Mon Aug 29 22:21:27 2005
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:21:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages are lost...I have followed FAQs 3.14
In-Reply-To: <PC17402005082314330608758c03afb1@msapiro>
References: <PC17402005082314330608758c03afb1@msapiro>
Message-ID: <43136E47.6070206@mail.otherwhen.com>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>
>It looks like msg_footer (on the list's Non-digest options page), and
>possibly also digest_footer (on the list's Digest options page), has a
>non-ascii character in it.
>  
>
Ahhh... yeah.  The question is, what next?  I run into this fairly often 
(a few times a month) when trying to delete spam that's awaiting my 
approval.

Looking at the archives to the mailing list, I've seen that different 
people have had this problem since 2003 in one form or another.

I've discovered if I clean out any list's list of pending mail, I can 
copy the appropriate files to the other lists and delete the offending 
pending files.  However, this really isn't a good answer to the question.

Sure,  non-ascii characters aren't legal in email addresses, subject 
lines, and so on.  However, the spammers don't seem to mind... 
personally, I'd be just as happy of Mailman dropped those messages into 
the bit bucket without even telling me about it, though that may not 
really be a good answer.

Still, it seems Mailman should be able to handle the illegal data a bit 
more elegantly.... what's the old system designer mantra, "Never test 
for an error condition you don't know how to handle"?

Mike


-- 
...The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating
system and Linus Torvaldis claims to be trying to take over the world...

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From dspake at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 30 00:39:17 2005
From: dspake at sbcglobal.net (David Spake)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:39:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I'm getting a 95% mass bounce action
In-Reply-To: <PC17402005082820165901097d513ba8@msapiro>
References: <PC17402005082820165901097d513ba8@msapiro>
Message-ID: <43138E95.9050201@sbcglobal.net>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

> David Spake wrote:
> 
>>I've got a problem with Mailman, and I'm unsure as to how to correct it. 
>> My host provider runs MailMan 2.1.5.  I like it, but the problem I'm 
>>having is that I keep getting periodic mass bouncings my list.  I get 
>>like a 95% "bounce action notification" every three or four weeks.
> 
  > And what's in them. Do they contain a copy of the Delivery Status
> Notification. What does it say?

Here is one of the notices (with the email address of the 'notified' 
person xx'd out):

--
This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:
     List:       HH_Talk
     Member:     xx at xxxx
     Action:     Subscription disabled.
     Reason:     Excessive or fatal bounces.
The triggering bounce notice is attached below.
Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at
mailman at heartlandhumanists.org.
--

I've got the headers, and I don't see a Deliver Status Notification 
specific one.  There are a few MailMan headers, but not that specific one.

>>I've 
>>got the bounce processor turned off, and all the notifications come to 
>>me, so the users are unaware (as far as I can tell).
> 
> I'm not sure why you're seeing anything if bounce processing is turned
> off for the list. Normally, returned bounces are just discarded if
> bounce processing is off. Perhaps you're talking about notifications
> from when bounce processing was on.

Here's the appropriate information from Bounce processing Section:

======
bounce_processing : No
bounce_score_threshold: 5.0
bounce_info_stale_after: 0
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings : 30
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval : 7
bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner : Yes
bounce_notify_owner_on_disable : Yes
bounce_notify_owner_on_removal : Yes
========
> 
<snip>
> Are you seeing the actual "bounce" notifications that are being
> returned? If so, they will tell you why the mail is bouncing. Without
> that information, people can only guess.

> If you are getting (have gotten) notifications to the list owner from
> Mailman, the triggering bounce message should be attached to the
> notification.

I get at the bottom of the bounce notification a copy of the email that 
caused the member to be bounced.  Here are a few of the headers:

X-Originating-Email: [g_xxx at msn.com]
FROM: [g_xxx at msn.com]
X-Return-Path: [g_xxx at msn.com]
To:  "HH talk" <hh_talk at heartlandhumanists.org>

This is the URL:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167235,00.html

That's it.  No other message, or text.  Just the URL.

> You could also try adjusting the bounce processing settings. If for
> example, you set bounce_score_threshold to 5.0 and
> bounce_info_stale_after to 4, then the only people who get disabled
> will be those who have five or more bounces with no more than 4 days
> between them. It sounds like your "spurious" bounces don't happen that
> often, but if you really have a bad address, this should get that as
> long as you normally get posts every day or two.

I'll try that.  I've just moved bounce_info_stale_after to 4, and I'll 
keep the threshold at 5.0

Thanks for helping me to improve the information, and the config tips.

Dave


From sean at adoptionmedia.com  Tue Aug 30 01:23:55 2005
From: sean at adoptionmedia.com (Sean Roe)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:23:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error during mailman runs
Message-ID: <4313990B.8080205@adoptionmedia.com>

Hi All,

I am getting the following errors durring mailman runs:

mailman01:/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/out# Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main
    qrunner.run()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 87, in run
    self._cleanup()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 220, in 
_cleanup
    BounceMixin._cleanup(self)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 132, in 
_cleanup
    self._register_bounces()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 120, in 
_register_bounces
    mlist.registerBounce(addr, msg, day=day)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 108, in registerBounce
    info = self.getBounceInfo(member)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MysqlMemberships.py", line 530, in 
getBounceInfo
    row[2], row[0])
TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 5 arguments (6 given)


What does this mean?

Thanks,
Sean


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 30 01:31:58 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:31:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I'm getting a 95% mass bounce action
In-Reply-To: <43138E95.9050201@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <PC17402005082916315804531abfa47f@msapiro>

David Spake wrote:
>
>Here is one of the notices (with the email address of the 'notified' 
>person xx'd out):
>
>--
>This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:
>     List:       HH_Talk
>     Member:     xx at xxxx
>     Action:     Subscription disabled.
>     Reason:     Excessive or fatal bounces.
>The triggering bounce notice is attached below.
>Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at
>mailman at heartlandhumanists.org.
>--
>
>I've got the headers, and I don't see a Deliver Status Notification 
>specific one.  There are a few MailMan headers, but not that specific one.


It's not a header. It's the triggering bounce notice which is another
e-mail message attached to the one above.

<snip>
>
>I get at the bottom of the bounce notification a copy of the email that 
>caused the member to be bounced.  Here are a few of the headers:
>
>X-Originating-Email: [g_xxx at msn.com]
>FROM: [g_xxx at msn.com]
>X-Return-Path: [g_xxx at msn.com]
>To:  "HH talk" <hh_talk at heartlandhumanists.org>
>
>This is the URL:
>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167235,00.html
>
>That's it.  No other message, or text.  Just the URL.

The copy of the original message is attached to or included in the
"triggering bounce notice". Somewhere between the first material you
quote and the copy of the original message, there should be the reply
from your outgoing MTA or the recipient's MTA indicating why the post
wasn't delivered. That's the information that will help diagnose the
problem.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Aug 30 01:43:13 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:43:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error during mailman runs
In-Reply-To: <4313990B.8080205@adoptionmedia.com>
Message-ID: <PC174020050829164313073456e0d9ab@msapiro>

Sean Roe wrote:
>
>I am getting the following errors durring mailman runs:
>
>mailman01:/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/out# Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
>    main()
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main
>    qrunner.run()
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 87, in run
>    self._cleanup()
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 220, in 
>_cleanup
>    BounceMixin._cleanup(self)
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 132, in 
>_cleanup
>    self._register_bounces()
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 120, in 
>_register_bounces
>    mlist.registerBounce(addr, msg, day=day)
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 108, in registerBounce
>    info = self.getBounceInfo(member)
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MysqlMemberships.py", line 530, in 
>getBounceInfo
>    row[2], row[0])
>TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 5 arguments (6 given)
>
>
>What does this mean?


It appears to be saying that the MysqlMemberships.py member adaptor
that you have installed is not compatible with your version of Mailman.

What Mailman version do you have?

What version of MysqlMemberships.py do you have (latest is 1.61,
2005-07-27)? See
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=839386&group_id=103&atid=300103
and/or http://www.orenet.co.uk/opensource/

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Aug 30 01:44:43 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:44:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] envelope sender address massaging?
In-Reply-To: <20050829201916.GA7229@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
References: <20050829201916.GA7229@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
Message-ID: <p0620070ebf394e521e16@[10.0.1.210]>

At 3:19 PM -0500 2005-08-29, Dave Rasmussen wrote:

>  In listproc I used to have an alias file to set to do this for all the
>  users that would come along and just translate csd.uwm.edu to uwm.edu.
>  This was not a whitelist by the way.
>
>  Is there a way to do this with mailman?

	Not within Mailman, no.  But you could easily do this within the 
MTA, depending on which MTA you're using.

-- 
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From dlj04 at josephson.com  Tue Aug 30 02:25:14 2005
From: dlj04 at josephson.com (David Josephson)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:25:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All members treated as nonmembers redux
Message-ID: <4313A76A.2000806@josephson.com>

We had a list (MM 2.1.5 under sendmail) suddenly stop working, with logs
showing that all incoming messages (from members and nonmembers alike)
were being discarded. Configs had been set to discard without copying to
the list admin, and it is a relatively low volume list, so it wasn't
noticed for a while. During troubleshooting we re-enabled
forward_auto_discards and the moderator approval page for each incoming
post showed "post by nonmember to members-only list" *and* "poster is a
member of ... list."  Following up on an earlier answer to this sort of
problem, we commented out the SENDER_HEADERS = ('from') line in
mm_cfg.py and this fixed the problem. Question is, how did this break in
the first place? And why did it apply to only one list? Other lists, and
new lists created since then, work fine. There is mention of being able
to modify member checking on a per-list basis but I was not able to find
where to do this.

There was a server reboot (for other reasons) at about the same time
this problem appeared.

During this debugging process we also upgraded from 2.1.5 to 2.1.6,
could this have been a default of the 2.1.6 install, and the real
problem was something else?

Thanks ...

David Josephson



From dspake at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 30 03:39:52 2005
From: dspake at sbcglobal.net (David Spake)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:39:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I'm getting a 95% mass bounce action
In-Reply-To: <PC17402005082916315804531abfa47f@msapiro>
References: <PC17402005082916315804531abfa47f@msapiro>
Message-ID: <4313B8E8.5030706@sbcglobal.net>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> David Spake wrote:
> 
  > The copy of the original message is attached to or included in the
> "triggering bounce notice". Somewhere between the first material you
> quote and the copy of the original message, there should be the reply
> from your outgoing MTA or the recipient's MTA indicating why the post
> wasn't delivered. That's the information that will help diagnose the
> problem.

Mark,

I really do appreciate the help.

Here's what's so odd about the whole situation, and what really throws 
me for a curve.  The message that shows at the bottom of the first 
Bounce Notification has been sucessfully posted to the list.  It's 
accepted by MailMan, with a timestamp of 10:55.  The very next message I 
have from the list is the first Bounce Notification, timestamped at 
10:57.  I have no other messages from the list between 10:55 and 10:57. 
  Then at 10:57 PM, I get the first of 55 or so bounce notifications.

Looking back at the email message, I see the message "The triggering 
bounce notice is attached below.".  For clarity I include the entire 
message here between the xx's:

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:

     List:       HH_Talk
     Member:     sxxx at casxxxx.net
     Action:     Subscription disabled.
     Reason:     Excessive or fatal bounces.



The triggering bounce notice is attached below.

Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at
mailman at heartlandhumanists.org.

============================
Subject: [HH_Talk] xxx
From: <gxxx at msn.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:55:09 -0500
To: "HH talk" <hh_talk at heartlandhumanists.org>
Return-Path: <gxxx at msn.com>
Delivered-To: 153-hh_talk at heartlandhumanists.org
Received: (qmail 6323 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2005 03:56:54 -0000
Received: from bay11-dav39.bay11.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) 
(64.4.39.69) by human.reason4.us with SMTP; 28 Aug 2005 03:56:54 -0000
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft 
SMTPSVC; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:56:23 -0700
Message-ID: <BAY11-DAV39DD878AA96566CBBEA448F1AC0 at phx.gbl>
Received: from 70.245.115.173 by BAY11-DAV39.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 28 
Aug 2005 03:56:23 +0000
X-Originating-IP: [70.245.115.173]
X-Originating-Email: [gxxx at msn.com]
X-Sender: gxxx at msn.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: MSN 9
X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:55:10 -0500
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2005 03:56:23.0663 (UTC) 
FILETIME=[74FBF7F0:01C5AB84]
X-BeenThere: hh_talk at heartlandhumanists.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
Reply-To: <hh_talk at heartlandhumanists.org>
List-Id: <hh_talk.heartlandhumanists.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <snip>
List-Archive: <http://lists.heartlandhumanists.org/pipermail/hh_talk>
List-Post: <mailto:hh_talk at heartlandhumanists.org>
List-Help: <mailto:hh_talk-request at heartlandhumanists.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <snip>
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1877034956=="
Sender: hh_talk-bounces at heartlandhumanists.org
Errors-To: hh_talk-bounces at heartlandhumanists.org

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167235,00.html


============
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

That's it.  One last thing I've checked is to see if the Message-ID: of 
the posted message, and the Message-ID: of the attached "triggering 
bounce notice" are the same.  They are.

Thanks again for your time,

Dave


From stephen at xemacs.org  Tue Aug 30 04:20:41 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:20:41 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages are lost...I have followed FAQs 3.14
In-Reply-To: <43136E47.6070206@mail.otherwhen.com> (Mike Avery's message of
	"Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:21:27 -0600")
References: <PC17402005082314330608758c03afb1@msapiro>
	<43136E47.6070206@mail.otherwhen.com>
Message-ID: <87ll2kjhc6.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Avery <mavery at mail.otherwhen.com> writes:

    Mike> Looking at the archives to the mailing list, I've seen that
    Mike> different people have had this problem since 2003 in one
    Mike> form or another.

Actually, not.  (See below.)

    Mike> Still, it seems Mailman should be able to handle the illegal
    Mike> data a bit more elegantly.... what's the old system designer
    Mike> mantra, "Never test for an error condition you don't know
    Mike> how to handle"?

The error condition being tested for is "all other errors", and we
know how to handle those ... "preserve the post, log the condition,
and let someone burn real neurons figuring it out."  Although I'm not
a Mailman developer, I do know a little about I18N, and it seems to me
from a brief look at the code that the problem is that there are a
number of different ways that such data can leak out to where it needs
to get processed, and the process has been to fix them in place as
they are identified.  (I've seen two or three of these bugs fixed in
the last year, I suspect your spammers have found Yet Another Path to
the error handler.)

What really needs to be done for Mailman 2.1 is a complete audit of
all the places where headers are accessed, but you know how expensive
that is.  For Mailman 3, what probably should be done is to rip out
all of the current just-in-time I18N processing of headers, and
preprocess every header, tagging them with their charsets.  Binary
headers would be tagged as "bogus" rather than "binary."

Now if I could just beg, borrow, or steal a few "round tuits"....

-- 
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University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
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              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From jetta.view at gmx.de  Tue Aug 30 14:31:53 2005
From: jetta.view at gmx.de (Martin Held)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:31:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] keep back mails of users
Message-ID: <20050830123303.303B61E4009@bag.python.org>

hi

i'm a beginner and i have a question. perhaps somebody of 
you know the answer.

i created a new list for mailman.
now a want 2 kinds of users:
- the first group should be able to send the mail directly to mailman and
mailman
should dispose the mail to the list members.
- the second group of users can send mails too. but the mail needs a release
by
the administrator. 

is this possible ?

how ?

thanks for help

best regards
emmi



From hannah at schlund.de  Tue Aug 30 14:37:34 2005
From: hannah at schlund.de (Hannah Schroeter)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:37:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] keep back mails of users
In-Reply-To: <20050830123303.303B61E4009@bag.python.org>
References: <20050830123303.303B61E4009@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <20050830123734.GA2969@schlund.de>

Hello!

On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 02:31:53PM +0200, Martin Held wrote:
>i'm a beginner and i have a question. perhaps somebody of 
>you know the answer.

>i created a new list for mailman.
>now a want 2 kinds of users:
>- the first group should be able to send the mail directly to mailman and
>mailman
>should dispose the mail to the list members.
>- the second group of users can send mails too. but the mail needs a release
>by
>the administrator. 

>is this possible ?

>how ?

IIRC you can set a "moderated" flag individually for users.

All users that are *not* moderated have their mails passed through
immediately, the others' contributions are held back and an
administrator or moderator has to pass them through.

Kind regards,

Hannah.


From flakrat at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 30 17:51:48 2005
From: flakrat at yahoo.com (Mike Hanby)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:51:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Server not connected" in smtp-failure log
In-Reply-To: <20050830123734.GA2969@schlund.de>
Message-ID: <20050830155159.351091E4004@bag.python.org>

Howdy all,

I have my mailman list set up as an E-Newsletter distribution list, i.e.
only email that I approve goes out to the list.

I am seeing the following errors being repeated over and over in my
/usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp-failure log

delivery to joe at domain.com failed with code -1: Server not connected

I found a possible solution to this in mailman-users list:
	Write this line in your mm_cfg.py
	MTA = 'Postfix'
	SMTPHOST = 'aa.bb.cc.dd'

I already had the MTA line correct, but didn't have the SMTPHOST line.  I've
added that line.

My questions:
	1) do I need to do anything to get mailman to re-read mm_cfg.py?
	2) Will mailman re-attempt to deliver the email to this user or will
he have to wait for my next newsletter email? (remember this is an
E-Newsletter type list)

Thanks, Mike



From memmott at hitcatcher.com  Tue Aug 30 17:59:11 2005
From: memmott at hitcatcher.com (Memmott @ HitCatcher.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:59:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails coming through as "maillist-bounces" - is
	this normal?
Message-ID: <20050830162633.43D9F1E4280@bag.python.org>

Hi everyone,

 

I've searched the FAQ and come up with nothing. Please be gentle if this is
a dumb question...

 

A client of ours has a mailman list set up called awake at domain.org. For some
reason, when anybody posts to this list, the return address of the list
comes across as "awake-bounces at domain.org [mailto:awake-bounces at domain.org]
On Behalf Of firstname lastname"

(User and domain specific details modified)

 

Anyways, is this the default behavior/ Is there any way to force it to send
out emails as awake at domain.org and not awake-bounces?

 

Thanks in advance,

Matt

 



From sean at adoptionmedia.com  Tue Aug 30 18:51:50 2005
From: sean at adoptionmedia.com (Sean Roe)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:51:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error during mailman runs
In-Reply-To: <PC174020050829164313073456e0d9ab@msapiro>
References: <PC174020050829164313073456e0d9ab@msapiro>
Message-ID: <43148EA6.7000500@adoptionmedia.com>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Sean Roe wrote:
>  
>
>>I am getting the following errors durring mailman runs:
>>
>>mailman01:/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/out# Traceback (most recent call last):
>> File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
>>   main()
>> File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main
>>   qrunner.run()
>> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 87, in run
>>   self._cleanup()
>> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 220, in 
>>_cleanup
>>   BounceMixin._cleanup(self)
>> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 132, in 
>>_cleanup
>>   self._register_bounces()
>> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 120, in 
>>_register_bounces
>>   mlist.registerBounce(addr, msg, day=day)
>> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 108, in registerBounce
>>   info = self.getBounceInfo(member)
>> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MysqlMemberships.py", line 530, in 
>>getBounceInfo
>>   row[2], row[0])
>>TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 5 arguments (6 given)
>>
>>
>>What does this mean?
>>    
>>
>
>
>It appears to be saying that the MysqlMemberships.py member adaptor
>that you have installed is not compatible with your version of Mailman.
>
>What Mailman version do you have?
>
>What version of MysqlMemberships.py do you have (latest is 1.61,
>2005-07-27)? See
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=839386&group_id=103&atid=300103
>and/or http://www.orenet.co.uk/opensource/
>
>--
>Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
>San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>  
>
I am using 1.61 per the revision number on the file:
Kev Green, oRe Net (http://www.orenet.co.uk/), 2003/11/04
$Revision: 1.61 $

and the mailman version is via version in bin:
mailman01:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./version
Using Mailman version: 2.1.6


Is there some sort of issue with spammers?  It doesn't happen all the 
time.  There appears to be no rhyme or reason for it.

Thanks,
Sean Roe


From flakrat at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 30 18:53:27 2005
From: flakrat at yahoo.com (Mike Hanby)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:53:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Server not connected" in smtp-failure log
In-Reply-To: <20050830155159.351091E4004@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <20050830165338.4EF691E4008@bag.python.org>

Bah, ok, I'm still having trouble with this.  Some of the people on the list
get the emails from the list, but a bunch of others get this error in
smtp-failure like
	
delivery to joe at domain.com failed with code -1: Server not connected
delivery to jim at example.com failed with code -1: Server not connected
delivery to dave at stuff.com failed with code -1: Server not connected
delivery to amy at somesite.net failed with code -1: Server not connected
...
and so on

I've tried that setting SMTPHOST '127.0.0.1' and SMTPHOST '10.0.0.1' and
also it's MX ip address, and all result in the following error:

Low level smtp error: Server not connected, msgid:
<20050829150816.EA2F933942 at mail.mydomain.com>

Commenting out SMTPHOST gets rid of the above "Low level smtp" error, but
the "Server not connected" errors continue.

My MTA is PostFix

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+flakrat=yahoo.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+flakrat=yahoo.com at python.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Hanby
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:52
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Server not connected" in smtp-failure log

Howdy all,

I have my mailman list set up as an E-Newsletter distribution list, i.e.
only email that I approve goes out to the list.

I am seeing the following errors being repeated over and over in my
/usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp-failure log

delivery to joe at domain.com failed with code -1: Server not connected

I found a possible solution to this in mailman-users list:
	Write this line in your mm_cfg.py
	MTA = 'Postfix'
	SMTPHOST = 'aa.bb.cc.dd'

I already had the MTA line correct, but didn't have the SMTPHOST line.  I've
added that line.

My questions:
	1) do I need to do anything to get mailman to re-read mm_cfg.py?
	2) Will mailman re-attempt to deliver the email to this user or will
he have to wait for my next newsletter email? (remember this is an
E-Newsletter type list)

Thanks, Mike

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From flakrat at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 30 20:27:26 2005
From: flakrat at yahoo.com (Mike Hanby)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:27:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Server not connected" in smtp-failure log
In-Reply-To: <20050830165338.4EF691E4008@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <20050830182737.699FE1E4004@bag.python.org>

Ok, I think I've found the solution, I didn't need to mess with the
SMTPHOST, since localhost works just fine.  I commented that line out of my
mm_cfg.py file.

The following was set in my Default.py file
	SMTPPORT = 0
I changed it to the following in my mm_cfg.py file
	SMTPPORT = 25

And now it looks as though it's working.  Wonder why it was set to 0 in the
Default file.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+flakrat=yahoo.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+flakrat=yahoo.com at python.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Hanby
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:53
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] "Server not connected" in smtp-failure log

Bah, ok, I'm still having trouble with this.  Some of the people on the list
get the emails from the list, but a bunch of others get this error in
smtp-failure like
	
delivery to joe at domain.com failed with code -1: Server not connected
delivery to jim at example.com failed with code -1: Server not connected
delivery to dave at stuff.com failed with code -1: Server not connected
delivery to amy at somesite.net failed with code -1: Server not connected
...
and so on

I've tried that setting SMTPHOST '127.0.0.1' and SMTPHOST '10.0.0.1' and
also it's MX ip address, and all result in the following error:

Low level smtp error: Server not connected, msgid:
<20050829150816.EA2F933942 at mail.mydomain.com>

Commenting out SMTPHOST gets rid of the above "Low level smtp" error, but
the "Server not connected" errors continue.

My MTA is PostFix

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+flakrat=yahoo.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+flakrat=yahoo.com at python.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Hanby
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:52
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Server not connected" in smtp-failure log

Howdy all,

I have my mailman list set up as an E-Newsletter distribution list, i.e.
only email that I approve goes out to the list.

I am seeing the following errors being repeated over and over in my
/usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp-failure log

delivery to joe at domain.com failed with code -1: Server not connected

I found a possible solution to this in mailman-users list:
	Write this line in your mm_cfg.py
	MTA = 'Postfix'
	SMTPHOST = 'aa.bb.cc.dd'

I already had the MTA line correct, but didn't have the SMTPHOST line.  I've
added that line.

My questions:
	1) do I need to do anything to get mailman to re-read mm_cfg.py?
	2) Will mailman re-attempt to deliver the email to this user or will
he have to wait for my next newsletter email? (remember this is an
E-Newsletter type list)

Thanks, Mike

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From halsema at purdue.edu  Tue Aug 30 20:29:50 2005
From: halsema at purdue.edu (Dave Halsema)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:29:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Best way to limit list admin power?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508261346100.12991@pengo.itcs.purdue.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508261346100.12991@pengo.itcs.purdue.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0508301326190.30851@pengo.itcs.purdue.edu>

> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:52:30 -0500 (EST)
> From: Dave Halsema <halsema at purdue.edu>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Best way to limit list admin power?
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> I am looking for a way to limit some of the abilities a list
> administrator has over their subscribers on the subscriber member
> option pages.
> 
> Specifically, I'd like to disable the list administrator from being
> able to globally change anything for the user, disable viewing the
> other subscriptions, and even disable the setting of a password.
> 
> I don't mind the administrator being able to change things for a
> subscriber for the particular list they administer, but I don't want
> them affecting user options on other lists.
> 
> What's the best way to do this?  Has anyone else had to deal with
> this issue in a large Mailman installation?  If so, what have you done?
> 
>     -Dave
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> 
> 


I am following up my own post.  I found the following patch that was
submitted last April which looks like it will do most of what I want.

----------
"[ 892118 ] limit admin privs on user options page"
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=892118&group_id=103&atid=300103
----------

Has anyone here had experience running this patch, or has anyone else
ever wanted to do what I'm doing?  I am guessing my installation and
level of trust of the list admins must be quite different than most
other Mailman sites.  :-)

    -Dave


From gbteh at epcombb.org  Wed Aug 31 12:22:26 2005
From: gbteh at epcombb.org (gbteh at epcombb.org)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:22:26 +0800 (MYT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Create Mailing list for sub-domain?
Message-ID: <1297.218.111.11.148.1125483746.squirrel@www.epcombb.org>

Hi,



Thanks for your wonderful program that help me to maintain the mailing list.



I am a mailman user. My domain name is ?epcombb.org?



I have tried to create a sub-domain recently names ?clhs.epcombb.org?. I
managed created mailing list for it.



BUT whenever I tried to click on the ?Edit? link to enter into the
?mailing list administration?,
http://mail.clhs.epcombb.org/mailman/admin/clhs_clhs.epcombb.org, an error
page appear ?The page cannot be displayed?. Can someone help me? Or there
is NO way out at the moment so I can stop trying. Can we create mailing
list for sub-domain?



Appreciate your reply.



Thanks



Regards

GB




From sythos at sythos.net  Wed Aug 31 13:42:16 2005
From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:42:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Create Mailing list for sub-domain?
In-Reply-To: <1297.218.111.11.148.1125483746.squirrel@www.epcombb.org>
References: <1297.218.111.11.148.1125483746.squirrel@www.epcombb.org>
Message-ID: <20050831114216.GA23151@sythos.net>

On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 06:22:26PM +0800, gbteh at epcombb.org wrote:
> BUT whenever I tried to click on the ?Edit? link to enter into the
> ?mailing list administration?,
> http://mail.clhs.epcombb.org/mailman/admin/clhs_clhs.epcombb.org, an error
> page appear ?The page cannot be displayed?. Can someone help me? Or there
> is NO way out at the moment so I can stop trying. Can we create mailing
> list for sub-domain?

Is your web server properly configured for subdomain?

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From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Wed Aug 31 13:51:46 2005
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:51:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] preserve feature
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0508310747350.98711@seyyav.pair.com>


Hi,

In mailman 2.1.5, when tending to held posts there is a 'Preserve messages
for the site administrator' option under the 'Action to take on all these
held messages.' If Accept, Reject, or Discard is selected the message gets
removed from the Administrative requests page.  Only if Defer is selected
does the message remain there.  Am I missing something as to the
functionality of the 'Preserve messages for the site administrator'
option?

Thanks,
Sean


From lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il  Wed Aug 31 16:46:16 2005
From: lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il (lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:46:16 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max_num_recipients variable question
Message-ID: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120E08@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>

Hello All,
I have a question:
 
Does "max_num_recipients = 10" in the default configuration of the list, means that when I'm posting to the list I can additionaly write only 9 e-mails along with the list address and no more? If I'm writing more than 10 e-mail addresses along with the list address it goes to list admin approval?
Is it for "To" "Cc" and "Bcc" alltogether?
 
Best Regards,
Leon Kolchinsky
 


From sythos at sythos.net  Wed Aug 31 16:52:03 2005
From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:52:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max_num_recipients variable question
In-Reply-To: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120E08@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>
References: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120E08@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>
Message-ID: <20050831145203.GB18960@sythos.net>

On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 05:46:16PM +0300, lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il wrote:
> Does "max_num_recipients = 10" in the default configuration of the list, means that when I'm posting to the list I can additionaly write only 9 e-mails along with the list address and no more? If I'm writing more than 10 e-mail addresses along with the list address it goes to list admin approval?
> Is it for "To" "Cc" and "Bcc" alltogether?

it mean your MTA support 10 rcpt per email

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From dwong at changind.com  Wed Aug 31 17:33:58 2005
From: dwong at changind.com (Donald Wong)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:33:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MIME "mulitpart/mixed boundary" re-arrangement
 causes digital signature to fail
Message-ID: <4315CDE6.9020300@changind.com>

Is it possible to make mailman leave the entire content of a message 
with untouched (example, multipart MIME messages)

The Problem:
When trying to send a digitally signed (SSL cert) email to a Mailman 
list, using Mozilla Thunderbird in this case, the recipients on the list 
would see the signature as Not Valid.  We've pinpointed the problem to 
that Mailman would parse the entire email message and re-arrange the 
MIME header/content, thus rendering the signature invalid.  What Mailman 
would change is to strip the newline character that's in between 
"Content-Type:..." and "boundary", as the "Content-Type:multipart/mixed" 
header with newline is added by Thunderbird when attaching a file 
attachment (including vcard).  While either having or not having the 
newline will conform to RFC MIME specifications(or so I was led to 
believe) thus making it a correct behaviour in that sense, it's 
definitely wrecking the signature.

Example:
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------digitsdigits"

I've also tried to test with Outlook Express and it would produce the 
same result.

So I think the easiest way to solve this is somehow configure Mailman to 
not rearrange the message while processing the message.

On the server side, we're using Mailman 2.1.5 on a Fedora Core 3 system, 
and the mailman rpm is the one built by redhat.


From msapiro at value.net  Wed Aug 31 18:10:52 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:10:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Server not connected" in smtp-failure log
In-Reply-To: <20050830182737.699FE1E4004@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <PC1740200508310910520500e38b7048@msapiro>

Mike Hanby wrote:

>Ok, I think I've found the solution, I didn't need to mess with the
>SMTPHOST, since localhost works just fine.  I commented that line out of my
>mm_cfg.py file.
>
>The following was set in my Default.py file
>	SMTPPORT = 0
>I changed it to the following in my mm_cfg.py file
>	SMTPPORT = 25
>
>And now it looks as though it's working.  Wonder why it was set to 0 in the
>Default file.


So in effect you've done nothing since SMTPPORT = 0 tells the python
smtplib to use its default SMTP port which is port 25.

It may be that this is a transient issue between Mailman and the MTA
causing the connection to drop.

>
>-----Original Message-----
<snip>
>My questions:
>	1) do I need to do anything to get mailman to re-read mm_cfg.py?

bin/mailmanctl restart


>	2) Will mailman re-attempt to deliver the email to this user or will
>he have to wait for my next newsletter email? (remember this is an
>E-Newsletter type list)

If the error is considered a "temporary" failure by SMTPDirect, it will
be automatically retried. If it is considered "permanent", it is
treated as a "bounce".

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From sean at adoptionmedia.com  Wed Aug 31 18:33:39 2005
From: sean at adoptionmedia.com (Sean Roe)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:33:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] startup error in mailman
Message-ID: <4315DBE3.8000403@adoptionmedia.com>

Hi All,

I am getting the following error whenever I start up mailman:

mailman01:/var/lib/mailman/Mailman# ../bin/mailmanctl start
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "../bin/mailmanctl", line 547, in ?
    main()
  File "../bin/mailmanctl", line 366, in main
    check_for_site_list()
  File "../bin/mailmanctl", line 276, in check_for_site_list
    sitelist = MailList(sitelistname, lock=0)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 104, in __init__
    self._memberadaptor = MysqlMemberships(self)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MysqlMemberships.py", line 118, in __init__
    self.cursor.execute ("""CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS %s (
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 137, 
in execute
    self.errorhandler(self, exc, value)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py", line 
33, in defaulterrorhandler
    raise errorclass, errorvalue
_mysql_exceptions.OperationalError: (1044, "Access denied for user 
'web_site'@'192.168.%' to database 'mailman'")
Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "MysqlMemberships instance has no 
attribute 'conn'" in <bound method MysqlMemberships.__del__ of 
<Mailman.MysqlMemberships.MysqlMemberships instance at 0x404645ec>> ignored

Mailman no longer starts at this point.

Nothing has changed that I am aware of, I have connected from the 
mailman server to the database server with the mysql client using the 
same username and password and was successful, so I am at a loss.  Any 
suggestions would be helpful.

Thanks,
Sean



From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Aug 31 18:41:51 2005
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:41:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max_num_recipients variable question
In-Reply-To: <5570AD7B7ABD5F4493883FF8F482BC94120E08@exchsrv01.haifa.edu>
Message-ID: <BF3B2BDF.7B18%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 8/31/05 7:46 AM, "lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il" <lkolchin at univ.haifa.ac.il>
wrote:

> Does "max_num_recipients = 10" in the default configuration of the list, means
> that when I'm posting to the list I can additionaly write only 9 e-mails along
> with the list address and no more? If I'm writing more than 10 e-mail
> addresses along with the list address it goes to list admin approval?
> Is it for "To" "Cc" and "Bcc" alltogether?

Generally, mailman won't learn of Bcc recipients (except itself).  [Some
mailers may still include the full Bcc header on Bcc copies of the message,
as the RFCs still allow, but Mailman quite possibly doesn't bother looking,
since that is rare.]

But yes, 10 recipients known to Mailman is the limit as set up by the
default value.  Personally, I prefer a setting of 1 (I hate broadcasting
addresses into a mailing list).

  --John




From flakrat at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 31 18:42:01 2005
From: flakrat at yahoo.com (Mike Hanby)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:42:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Server not connected" in smtp-failure log
In-Reply-To: <PC1740200508310910520500e38b7048@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20050831164212.2EC1F1E44C3@bag.python.org>

Damn, you are right.  Although some of the emails did make it through after
I restarted mailman, looking in the smtp-error log shows that I'm still
getting "Server not connected" errors :-(

Shoot, anyone with Postfix (or another MTA) seen this problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:11
To: Mike Hanby; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] "Server not connected" in smtp-failure log

Mike Hanby wrote:

>Ok, I think I've found the solution, I didn't need to mess with the
>SMTPHOST, since localhost works just fine.  I commented that line out of my
>mm_cfg.py file.
>
>The following was set in my Default.py file
>	SMTPPORT = 0
>I changed it to the following in my mm_cfg.py file
>	SMTPPORT = 25
>
>And now it looks as though it's working.  Wonder why it was set to 0 in the
>Default file.


So in effect you've done nothing since SMTPPORT = 0 tells the python
smtplib to use its default SMTP port which is port 25.

It may be that this is a transient issue between Mailman and the MTA
causing the connection to drop.

>
>-----Original Message-----
<snip>
>My questions:
>	1) do I need to do anything to get mailman to re-read mm_cfg.py?

bin/mailmanctl restart


>	2) Will mailman re-attempt to deliver the email to this user or will
>he have to wait for my next newsletter email? (remember this is an
>E-Newsletter type list)

If the error is considered a "temporary" failure by SMTPDirect, it will
be automatically retried. If it is considered "permanent", it is
treated as a "bounce".

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Aug 31 20:20:54 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:20:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MIME "mulitpart/mixed boundary" re-arrangement
 causes digital signature to fail
In-Reply-To: <4315CDE6.9020300@changind.com>
References: <4315CDE6.9020300@changind.com>
Message-ID: <p06200719bf3b9e2ed644@[10.0.1.210]>

At 8:33 AM -0700 2005-08-31, Donald Wong wrote:

>  The Problem:
>  When trying to send a digitally signed (SSL cert) email to a Mailman
>  list, using Mozilla Thunderbird in this case, the recipients on the list
>  would see the signature as Not Valid.

	This is a known problem.  See 
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1085651&group_id=103&atid=100103>.

>  So I think the easiest way to solve this is somehow configure Mailman to
>  not rearrange the message while processing the message.

	This is not a bug in Mailman.  This is a known bug in Python.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Aug 31 20:43:38 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:43:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MIME "mulitpart/mixed boundary" re-arrangement
 causes digital signature to fail
In-Reply-To: <p06200719bf3b9e2ed644@[10.0.1.210]>
References: <4315CDE6.9020300@changind.com>
	<p06200719bf3b9e2ed644@[10.0.1.210]>
Message-ID: <p0620071cbf3baa90bd76@[10.0.1.210]>

At 8:20 PM +0200 2005-08-31, Brad Knowles wrote:

>  At 8:33 AM -0700 2005-08-31, Donald Wong wrote:
>
>>   The Problem:
>>   When trying to send a digitally signed (SSL cert) email to a Mailman
>>   list, using Mozilla Thunderbird in this case, the recipients on the list
>>   would see the signature as Not Valid.
>
>  	This is a known problem.  See
> 
><http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1085651&group_id=103&atid=100103>.

	BTW, Python 2.4 is known to have an improved message handler 
module, and although I haven't confirmed this myself, I would not be 
surprised if this problem wasn't resolved by upgrading Python.

	At the very least, you should check it out.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.