From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Oct 1 00:18:44 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:18:44 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Sharing Add-On? In-Reply-To: <40766.198.175.249.10.1096555652.squirrel@www.raptor.net> References: <40766.198.175.249.10.1096555652.squirrel@www.raptor.net> Message-ID: At 9:47 AM -0500 2004-09-30, Robert Schmid wrote: > Is there any sort of add-on or companion program that would allow mailman > users an easy way to share files without actually mailing them? (Or, > better yet, strip them out of emails and store them for download off the > web). It looks like the closest you can get with Mailman (at this stage) is found in the patch at . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Oct 1 00:17:35 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:17:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: scrubbing attachments In-Reply-To: References: <20040930065342.GA17031@cirrus.madduck.net> Message-ID: At 2:58 PM -0400 2004-09-30, John Swartzentruber wrote: > There is a patch, but I don't have any reference handy right now. I think > if you (the OP) look for "Scrubber.py" in the patches, you should find > something. I believe the patch was for an earlier version, but I applied > it to 2.1.5 and it is working for me. You are correct. See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Oct 1 00:20:42 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:20:42 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Both Mailman and Majordomo In-Reply-To: <1096574705.16245.298.camel@madeye> References: <1096572332.16245.250.camel@madeye> <1096574705.16245.298.camel@madeye> Message-ID: At 1:05 PM -0700 2004-09-30, Frank Torres wrote: > Based on I scan the aliases file for majordomo stuff then If > I do not find nothing go to mailman and see if list is in mailman. I > really do not want to do different domains if at all possible. I should > be able to use the same domain. All using the most friendly mta's ever > built sendmail I don't know of any reason why this wouldn't work. All MTAs I know of can handle multiple aliases files, and you should be able to specify the search order. What problems are you having? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Fri Oct 1 00:53:03 2004 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:53:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: error when running "arch" In-Reply-To: <5906CE64-12A3-11D9-A206-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net> References: <20040929172537.GO13093@hq.newdream.net> <20040929181658.GR13093@hq.newdream.net> <5906CE64-12A3-11D9-A206-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net> Message-ID: <20040930225303.GL26095@hq.newdream.net> On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 02:41:16PM +0900, Jim Tittsler wrote: > On Sep 30, 2004, at 03:16, Will Yardley wrote: > > Anything further I can do to debug this? Any idea what the > > "MemoryError" refers to? > How large are your archives? The mbox file is about 55M The whole indexed archive directory is currently about 194M The box does only have 256 M of RAM. So what you're saying make sense. > I think Pipermail still tries to slurp the entire archive into > memory when arch regenerates the archives. That is why arch accepts > the --start=N and --end=M options. You can run arch multiple > times (only the first with --wipe), specifying different blocks of > messages to process in each execution. Thanks. I'm try that. Are the archives ever rebuilt in their entirety automatically (i.e., do I need to worry about this process failing on its own)? In this case it doesn't really matter since the list has moved elsewhere anyway. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From frankt at pdx.edu Fri Oct 1 00:57:13 2004 From: frankt at pdx.edu (Frank Torres) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:57:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Both Mailman and Majordomo In-Reply-To: <1096574705.16245.298.camel@madeye> References: <1096572332.16245.250.camel@madeye> <1096574705.16245.298.camel@madeye> Message-ID: <1096585033.16245.373.camel@madeye> Maybe I'll get this right really tired at analyzing sendmail crap. Ok, as per Brad Knowles I am not using aliases for mailman but mm-handler and an sendmail.m4 with adding an mailer called Mmmhandler,..... as per the mailman documentation. Howerver in the F= I added the 'A' flag to do alias expansion but mailman seems to still fire off. I really need to use the mm-handler I need to move away from have sudo access as root and my time being sucked into mail list management it sucks. Best Regards, Frank Torres On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 13:05, Frank Torres wrote: > Sorry, I'll be a little clearer this time here is what I am trying to > do. Please let me know if this is possible. > @my.domain > > Based on I scan the aliases file for majordomo stuff then If > I do not find nothing go to mailman and see if list is in mailman. I > really do not want to do different domains if at all possible. I should > be able to use the same domain. All using the most friendly mta's ever > built sendmail > > Best Regards, > Frank Torres > > On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 12:25, Frank Torres wrote: > > Queston, I have been unsuccessful at getting mailman and majordomo to > > run on the same host. I am using sendmail and the mailman mm-handler. > > Mailman is working great its just that majordomo is not. I did put an > > 'A' in the mailer table for alias expansion but that does not seem to > > work completely. > > > > If some body has done this and can share this info that would be great. > > I have been scouring the web to no avail. I need to transition majordomo > > out but I can not do it abruptly. > > > > Best Regards, > > Frank > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040930/bf132806/attachment.pgp From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Oct 1 02:22:41 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 02:22:41 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: error when running "arch" In-Reply-To: <20040930225303.GL26095@hq.newdream.net> References: <20040929172537.GO13093@hq.newdream.net> <20040929181658.GR13093@hq.newdream.net> <5906CE64-12A3-11D9-A206-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net> <20040930225303.GL26095@hq.newdream.net> Message-ID: At 3:53 PM -0700 2004-09-30, Will Yardley wrote: >> How large are your archives? > > The mbox file is about 55M > The whole indexed archive directory is currently about 194M > > The box does only have 256 M of RAM. So what you're saying make sense. Ahh. In this case, you might want to see . A different error message, but I believe that this solution is likely to be helpful. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Oct 1 02:31:58 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 02:31:58 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Both Mailman and Majordomo In-Reply-To: <1096585033.16245.373.camel@madeye> References: <1096572332.16245.250.camel@madeye> <1096574705.16245.298.camel@madeye> <1096585033.16245.373.camel@madeye> Message-ID: At 3:57 PM -0700 2004-09-30, Frank Torres wrote: > Ok, > as per Brad Knowles I am not using aliases for mailman but mm-handler > and an sendmail.m4 with adding an mailer called Mmmhandler,..... as per > the mailman documentation. Looking at the latest version of the README.SENDMAIL file at , I see that this feature was contributed by David Champion. > Howerver in the F= I added the 'A' flag > to do alias expansion but mailman seems to still fire off. I really need > to use the mm-handler I need to move away from have sudo access as root > and my time being sucked into mail list management it sucks. Looking at the latest version of the mm-handler.readme file at , I see the following text: How do you know whether mm-handler is appropriate for you? Let's look at some examples. If you're running lists off your primary DNS domain name, you probably have a mix of lists and users in your namespace. Take python.org, for example: it hosts Mailman lists, and it hosts users' personal accounts. There aren't a whole bunch of either, but the ratio is probably fairly near 1:1. Mm-handler is not very useful here, because there's no simple way to separate user addresses from list addresses -- not to mention that mm-handler is written in perl, so that's just bad form. The implication is that mixing Mailman-hosted mailing lists with much of anything else is a bad idea. Such as mixing Mailman and Majordomo lists on the same domain. Try setting up dedicated domains for the Mailman versus Majordomo lists, and handling those via sendmail virtual domains, and I imagine that should work. Of course, that's exactly what you said you didn't want to do, but unless you're willing to fiddle around with aliases files (or use the sendmail version of the postfix auto-alias generation script at ), I don't see any other alternative. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 1 02:38:17 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:38:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Viewing attachments prior to approval In-Reply-To: <008001c4a62c$c63dd790$ba39de18@vbrideau> Message-ID: VBrideau wrote: > >I would like to be able to view attachments prior to them being approved for distribution to the membership. I've searched the archives but have not been able to locate this information. > >The Content Filter is set at No, thus the attachment is not stripped. If you set admin_immed_notify to Yes on the list's General Options page the "immediate" notification contains the whole message. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From miked at softtalker.com Fri Oct 1 04:28:23 2004 From: miked at softtalker.com (Mike Dillinger) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:28:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts Not Being Sent Message-ID: <151977634.20040930192823@softtalker.com> Hello, I have my domain set up on a shared web hosting (VPS, Virtual Private Hosting) service. Many users have gotten Mailman working by themselves (no sysadmin help). I am missing a step and I don't know what it is. I have it all installed and it seems to be working fine - except for one thing. When I send messages, my domain's catch-all alias catches the postings instead of Mailman. The Mailman web interface is working fine. I have re-traced the steps in the installation process a few times and can't seem to find what I'm missing. In smtp-failure, I'm seeing relaying denied errors. The other logs look kind of weird too, but I'm not sure which information would be most useful to share. I did peak at the FAQ referred to in other posts: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp ...and it looks like I've done everything right. Well obviously I haven't, but I can't figure out what it is. I installed Mailman v2.1.5 via source. The MTA is sendmail and it's running Red Hat Fedora. Thank you for your help, -MikeD From macangels at spamcop.net Fri Oct 1 04:38:30 2004 From: macangels at spamcop.net (demo) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 03:38:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Lists in OSX In-Reply-To: <20041001003828.B66171E4006@bag.python.org> Message-ID: Hi >> I am trying to configure mailing list in Mac OSX Server 10.3.5. I am having >> trouble posting to the list, or I should say my test users are having >> trouble. Just out of interest, what did Apple suggest to you? > Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 8, Issue 1 > >> : mail for server.test.org loops back to myself > > This is an MTA problem, not a problem with Mailman. I suggest > you use the online documentation at to help > you find the solution. Alternatively, you could try a clean install of OS 10.3.5 Server ... MA From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Oct 1 09:24:49 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:24:49 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Both Mailman and Majordomo In-Reply-To: <1096585033.16245.373.camel@madeye> References: <1096572332.16245.250.camel@madeye> <1096574705.16245.298.camel@madeye> <1096585033.16245.373.camel@madeye> Message-ID: Why not consider modifying the mm-handler Perl script. It currently knows how to deliver to Mailman lists and knows what Mailman lists there are by looking up Mailman file structures on disk (see line 203 onwards of the code) and then running the Mailman delivery wrapper. I do not user majordomo, but presumably an equivalent piece of code to confirm and deliver to majordomo's lists could be fashioned and added. btw: do beware the existing latent defect of the mm-handlers failure to properly check the return code when it call close on the pipe being used to do the delivery, which can lead to silently lost/undelivered messages - see next sentence for a hint at what needs to be done. Also consider that mm-handler's home grown bounce generator can be substituted by simply having it return the appropriate exit status to sendmail, which will then generate the bounce message in it normal way. You could also consider switching to a Python equivalent of mm-handler without the defect. See: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? func=detail&aid=644810&group_id=103&atid=300103 On 30 Sep 2004, at 23:57, Frank Torres wrote: > Maybe I'll get this right really tired at analyzing sendmail crap. Ok, > as per Brad Knowles I am not using aliases for mailman but mm-handler > and an sendmail.m4 with adding an mailer called Mmmhandler,..... as per > the mailman documentation. Howerver in the F= I added the 'A' > flag > to do alias expansion but mailman seems to still fire off. I really > need > to use the mm-handler I need to move away from have sudo access as root > and my time being sucked into mail list management it sucks. > > Best Regards, > Frank Torres > On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 13:05, Frank Torres wrote: >> Sorry, I'll be a little clearer this time here is what I am trying to >> do. Please let me know if this is possible. >> @my.domain >> >> Based on I scan the aliases file for majordomo stuff then >> If >> I do not find nothing go to mailman and see if list is in mailman. I >> really do not want to do different domains if at all possible. I >> should >> be able to use the same domain. All using the most friendly mta's ever >> built sendmail >> >> Best Regards, >> Frank Torres >> >> On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 12:25, Frank Torres wrote: >>> Queston, I have been unsuccessful at getting mailman and majordomo to >>> run on the same host. I am using sendmail and the mailman mm-handler. >>> Mailman is working great its just that majordomo is not. I did put an >>> 'A' in the mailer table for alias expansion but that does not seem to >>> work completely. >>> >>> If some body has done this and can share this info that would be >>> great. >>> I have been scouring the web to no avail. I need to transition >>> majordomo >>> out but I can not do it abruptly. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Frank >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>> _ >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> Mailman-Users mailing list >>> Mailman-Users at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>> Searchable Archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Oct 1 11:23:36 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:23:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts Not Being Sent In-Reply-To: <151977634.20040930192823@softtalker.com> References: <151977634.20040930192823@softtalker.com> Message-ID: At 7:28 PM -0700 2004-09-30, Mike Dillinger wrote: > I have my domain set up on a shared web hosting (VPS, Virtual Private > Hosting) service. Many users have gotten Mailman working by themselves (no > sysadmin help). I am missing a step and I don't know what it is. Well, considering that you've looked at the FAQ entry on this issue and you still haven't resolved the problem, I'd say that the next step is to turn up the level of debugging you're getting in your MTA. You should also consider contacting your provider, since they will know a lot more about your particular hardware/OS/software configuration, etc.... > I have it all installed and it seems to be working fine - except for one > thing. When I send messages, my domain's catch-all alias catches the > postings instead of Mailman. The Mailman web interface is working fine. I > have re-traced the steps in the installation process a few times and can't > seem to find what I'm missing. Sounds like the aliases haven't been set up properly, or you don't have the mm-handler stuff installed correctly. I don't have first-hand experience here, but I don't know for sure that the mm-handler stuff will work in a virtual private server environment. > In smtp-failure, I'm seeing relaying denied errors. The other logs look > kind of weird too, but I'm not sure which information would be most useful > to share. Therein lies the problem. We can't tell you which information will be most useful, because you don't usually figure out what is useful until you see everything and then spot the problem. Afterwards, it's easy to figure out which parts of the logs you should have been looking at. ;-) > I installed Mailman v2.1.5 via source. The MTA is sendmail and it's > running Red Hat Fedora. Which method of integration with sendmail did you choose? Are you using aliases or mm-handler? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From doron_tordjman at hotmail.com Fri Oct 1 02:03:44 2004 From: doron_tordjman at hotmail.com (Doron Tordjman) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 00:03:44 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail still not going out to listmembers? Message-ID: Hi, I tried looking at the faq on http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Everything seems fine, but email is not going out to list members... only the person who sent it. Ran check_perms. Looks good. Cron is running. Mailman daemon is running. /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases contains the correct aliases for my list. There appears to be no locks. I don't see any errors in /var/lib/mailman/logs nor in /var/log/mail. Any other ideas? TIA Using: Mailman 2.1.2 installed from Mandrake 9.1 source cds MTA is postfix From acravens at uen.org Fri Oct 1 17:27:56 2004 From: acravens at uen.org (Andy Cravens) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:27:56 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manually deleting mm_q files Message-ID: <415D777C.268FABC1@uen.org> I'm going to be upgrading an old mailman 1.0 install to 2.x In looking around at our old install I've discovered a lot of old que files in .../mailman/data/ such as 1534 May 25 2001 mm_q.29687.1 1534 May 25 2001 mm_q.29683.1 1532 May 25 2001 mm_q.29660.1 1532 May 25 2001 mm_q.29656.1 1532 May 25 2001 mm_q.29652.1 1532 May 25 2001 mm_q.29631.1 1532 May 25 2001 mm_q.29627.1 Many of these files are three years old. Can I delete this old stuff manually without causing any problems elsewhere? Thanks for any info you can provide... -- Andy From andyk at spunge.org Fri Oct 1 17:27:44 2004 From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:27:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change comment sent by Mailman with rejected posts? Message-ID: When in Content filtering Section I set Reject as Action to take when a message matches the content filtering rules, then the sender of the message, which was rejected, receives the following e-mail from Mailman: "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed" How could I change that message? Is there any form where I could put new text of the message, and if there is no form, could you please add it in future version of Mailman? ak From andyk at spunge.org Fri Oct 1 17:28:12 2004 From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:28:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content-filtering - is filtering of content-description possible? Message-ID: Is in the Content filtering section possible to define only content-type? I suggest that it should be also possible to define Content-description. Because Pegasus Mail for example when is sending an attachment it adds content-descriprion, and mailman filter although removes the attachment itself, it does not remove the content-describtion causing to send to the list a message with the following text content: -------------- next part -------------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: 1.jpg Date: 1 Oct 2004, 13:37 Size: 8500 bytes. Type: JPEG-image ========== Header of that message shows: --Message-Boundary-14246 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-disposition: inline Content-description: Attachment information. so if a content-description could be added to mailman content filtering section then I could remove it as well. ak From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Oct 1 18:14:33 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:14:33 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and hotmail fiters In-Reply-To: <20040929113121.CA2951E4002@bag.python.org> References: <20040929113121.CA2951E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: At 12:31 PM +0100 2004-09-29, Matthew Wheeler wrote: > I cuttently have mailman set up on my webserver. We're getting a lot of > trouble with hotmail and its junk mail filters. Do you have any tip and > tricks on getting mail delivered straight into the inbox without training. There's not much you can do to fix hotmail. They don't give you a whole lot of control over what they do to incoming mail that can be turned off. They do give you some rudimentary filtering things you can add, but there's all sorts of stuff going on behind the scenes that you can't even see, much less stop. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Oct 1 18:17:07 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:17:07 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman forwards posts sent by nonmembers, but seems to completely ignore member posts In-Reply-To: <200409301428.i8UESh6t001459@ldap3.fsu.edu> References: <200409301428.i8UESh6t001459@ldap3.fsu.edu> Message-ID: At 9:28 AM -0500 2004-09-30, bbuchana at mailer.fsu.edu wrote: > I'm sure this is something small, but in technology small things can make > big problems. Follow the recommendations in . If you've already done most of this stuff, pay special attention to step #7. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Oct 1 18:18:23 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:18:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail still not going out to listmembers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:03 AM +0000 2004-10-01, Doron Tordjman wrote: > I tried looking at the faq on http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Do you mean ? > I don't see any errors in /var/lib/mailman/logs nor in /var/log/mail. Show us examples of the log entries in question. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From maillists at conactive.com Fri Oct 1 18:33:59 2004 From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:33:59 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting acknowledgements global option? Message-ID: I created a new list and invited some members. All the new members are now set to get a posting acknowledgement and I can't see a reason why. I cannot find a global setting for this. It doesn't seem to be "autorespond_postings", that is off. I searched the FAQ for "acknowledgement" and "acknowledgment", but there isn't anything. What's the global setting I must have accidentally set to on? Kai -- Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 1 18:38:16 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:38:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disable email list In-Reply-To: <0307730AB7EDC6419E42AF6D65F03EAE21CB6D@PHXDCEX003.phx-dc.dhl.com> Message-ID: Sharon Anderson wrote: >Please contact me with details on how to disable email address " >GSA at dhl.com" for my mailing list. I don't know what you're asking for, but if you want to unsubscribe an address or disable delivering mail to it, go to your list administration Membership Management...->Membership List pages, find the address, check either the unsub or the nomail box and Submit Your Changes. If you want to automatically reject or discard posts from the address, add it to the appropriate filter on the Privacy options...->Sender filters page. If you want to ban the address from subscribing, add it to the list on the Privacy options...->Subscription rules page. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Oct 1 18:46:16 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:46:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting acknowledgements global option? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kai Schaetzl wrote: >I created a new list and invited some members. All the new members are now >set to get a posting acknowledgement and I can't see a reason why. I >cannot find a global setting for this. It doesn't seem to be >"autorespond_postings", that is off. I searched the FAQ for >"acknowledgement" and "acknowledgment", but there isn't anything. What's >the global setting I must have accidentally set to on? new_member_options It's on the lists General Options page "Default options for new members joining this list." "Acknowledge the member's posting" -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From macangels at spamcop.net Fri Oct 1 18:48:50 2004 From: macangels at spamcop.net (demo) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:48:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman and hotmail fiters In-Reply-To: <20041001162247.016B21E400B@bag.python.org> Message-ID: Hi In addition, half the problem with Hotmail are Hotmail users who seem remain determinedly ignorant of how to use or manage email accounts. They leave them to fill up and bounce everything out and are of course mega-spam honey traps. Try setting one up, never using it, come back a few weeks later and it will be full of penis enlargement of one sort or another. A better question would be to ask; Is it possible to set up a filter in Mailman that disallows anyone with a Hotmail address from subscribing and sends a message requesting them to subscribe with another [ proper POP ] email account? [ Except Yahoo or AOL ] - and this option should be hardwired into the source code. Seriously, Hotmail is an endless PITA of an equation whereby their ineptitude subtracts exponentially from your time and effort. For that question, I would be appreciative of an answer. You can contact in theory Hotmail to get them to set up something that allows you to legitimately bulk mail their servers but rather you than me ... For their 14 point hoops to jump through, see; http://advertising.msn.com/adproducts/Email_BulkDupe.asp MA > I cuttently have mailman set up on my webserver. We're getting a lot of > trouble with hotmail and its junk mail filters. Do you have any tip and > tricks on getting mail delivered straight into the inbox without training. > > > Thanks > > Matthew Wheeler From maillists at conactive.com Fri Oct 1 19:24:15 2004 From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:24:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting acknowledgements global option? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark Sapiro wrote on Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:46:16 -0700: > new_member_options It's on the lists General Options page "Default > options for new members joining this list." "Acknowledge the member's > posting" > Thanks, found it. And now I know the reason why I checked it. First time ever I set the language to German and when going thru the list options I found new_member_options "Mails des Nutzers immer freigeben und verteilen" which means "always allow and distribute member's mails" and not "Acknowledge the member's posting". But I think even the English phrasing is somewhat ambiguous: "Acknowledge the member's posting" could mean automatic allowance of the member's mails. That's obviously also what the translator had in mind. I suggest changing to: English: Send confirmation (*) for each posting to the member German: F?r jedes Posting eine Best?tigung an das Mitglied schicken (*) instead of acknowledgement Shall I open a bug for that? The descriptions on the member list page are much better: ack -- Does the member get acknowledgements of their posts? Best?tigung -- Bekommt dieses Mitglied Best?tigungen f?r seine Sendungen an die Liste? Kai -- Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org From mailmanlistmember at techservinc.com Fri Oct 1 21:31:52 2004 From: mailmanlistmember at techservinc.com (Mark Koitmaa) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:31:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving Archives to Mailman with Correct Dates Message-ID: Is there a way to temporarily or permanently force mailman to use the message date rather than the server date for new posts? I'm moving my lists from dolist 3.x to Mailman 2.1.5 and I need mailman to retain message dates while I move the old dolist archives to mailman. I thought it would be easy since dolist will allow me to send some or all messages in its archive as individual emails (retaining original dates and headers), but alas Mailman changes the dates to the current server date. Does anyone have a better solution? -- Mark Koitmaa TechServ From acravens at uen.org Fri Oct 1 22:25:22 2004 From: acravens at uen.org (Andy Cravens) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:25:22 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading mailman 1.0 and python 2.3.3 Message-ID: <415DBD32.F48B85F@uen.org> We are currently running Mailman 1.0 and python 1.5.2 In prep for upgrading Mailman 1.0, I will be upgrading python from 1.5.2 to version 2.3.3. Will Mailman 1.0 continue to run after I upgrade python to 2.3.3? Also, will Mailman 2.0.13 run OK under python 2.3.3? The docs on the Mailman web site say that Mailman 2.0.13 runs best under python 2.2.2. From miked at softtalker.com Fri Oct 1 23:53:20 2004 From: miked at softtalker.com (Mike Dillinger) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:53:20 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts Not Being Sent In-Reply-To: References: <151977634.20040930192823@softtalker.com> Message-ID: <415DD1D0.2090605@softtalker.com> On 10/01/2004 02:23 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: > Well, considering that you've looked at the FAQ entry on this issue > and you still haven't resolved the problem, I'd say that the next step > is to turn up the level of debugging you're getting in your MTA. You > should also consider contacting your provider, since they will know a > lot more about your particular hardware/OS/software configuration, etc.... They limit what I can see in /var/log. There's really only Apache logs and MySQL logs. That's it. They want to charge me some astronomical installation fee. I'd prefer to tackle this alone first. This has been done and I have a feeling I'm missing something simple and I'm going to be slapping my forehead when I'm done. > Sounds like the aliases haven't been set up properly, or you don't > have the mm-handler stuff installed correctly. I don't have first-hand > experience here, but I don't know for sure that the mm-handler stuff > will work in a virtual private server environment. > >> In smtp-failure, I'm seeing relaying denied errors. The other logs look >> kind of weird too, but I'm not sure which information would be most >> useful >> to share. > > > Therein lies the problem. We can't tell you which information will > be most useful, because you don't usually figure out what is useful > until you see everything and then spot the problem. > > Afterwards, it's easy to figure out which parts of the logs you > should have been looking at. ;-) > >> I installed Mailman v2.1.5 via source. The MTA is sendmail and it's >> running Red Hat Fedora. > > > Which method of integration with sendmail did you choose? Are you > using aliases or mm-handler? I am using the aliases method. I don't even know what mm-handler is. I followed the INSTALL file that comes with the source distro and it does not mention mm-handler. Thanks, -MikeD From miked at softtalker.com Sat Oct 2 00:53:59 2004 From: miked at softtalker.com (Mike Dillinger) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:53:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts Not Being Sent - Fixed In-Reply-To: References: <151977634.20040930192823@softtalker.com> Message-ID: <415DE007.7080100@softtalker.com> On 10/01/2004 02:23 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: > Well, considering that you've looked at the FAQ entry on this issue > and you still haven't resolved the problem, I'd say that the next step > is to turn up the level of debugging you're getting in your MTA. You > should also consider contacting your provider, since they will know a > lot more about your particular hardware/OS/software configuration, etc.... They limit what I can see in /var/log. There's really only Apache logs and MySQL logs. That's it. They want to charge me some astronomical installation fee. I'd prefer to tackle this alone first. This has been done and I have a feeling I'm missing something simple and I'm going to be slapping my forehead when I'm done. > Sounds like the aliases haven't been set up properly, or you don't > have the mm-handler stuff installed correctly. I don't have first-hand > experience here, but I don't know for sure that the mm-handler stuff > will work in a virtual private server environment. > >> In smtp-failure, I'm seeing relaying denied errors. The other logs look >> kind of weird too, but I'm not sure which information would be most >> useful >> to share. > > > Therein lies the problem. We can't tell you which information will > be most useful, because you don't usually figure out what is useful > until you see everything and then spot the problem. > > Afterwards, it's easy to figure out which parts of the logs you > should have been looking at. ;-) > >> I installed Mailman v2.1.5 via source. The MTA is sendmail and it's >> running Red Hat Fedora. > > > Which method of integration with sendmail did you choose? Are you > using aliases or mm-handler? I am using the aliases method. I don't even know what mm-handler is. I followed the INSTALL file that comes with the source distro and it does not mention mm-handler. UPDATE: I fixed it and like I said, it would be elementary. I was experimenting around and disabled my domain's catch-all filter and Mailman works perfectly now. I am a little disappointed that I can't use the catch-all filter (unless someone might have some cool trick I can do in /etc/aliases?), but I can live without it. Thank you very much for your help. -MikeD From scott-brown at rogers.com Sat Oct 2 01:06:34 2004 From: scott-brown at rogers.com (Scott Brown) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:06:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman "webcreate" page and proxy-ing problems In-Reply-To: <20041001223057.GB28282@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: <003701c4a80b$4c626540$6501a8c0@p3vaio> On or off, doesnt seem to make a difference... Here's an URL that shows the issue: http://www.rbua.org/mailman/admin/rbua_announce The footer to the page correctly links "rbua_announce" to the proper "listinfo" page. The "webmaster at rbua.org" is correctly linked as the owner email... The "rbua_announce administrative interface" is linked to the correct "admin" page... But then the "overview" page connects back to /localhost/ ...? I honestly dont believe it did this under 2.0.x If the other links on the page are all linking correctly, even with going through the proxy... whats up with the last one? Shouldnt it be generated based on the same conceptual basis .. by pulling the domain out of the url? Barry - Is this something I should submit as a bug, or is this something I've got to patch on my own? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:jwt at OnJapan.net] > Sent: October 1, 2004 6:31 PM > To: Scott Brown > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman "webcreate" page and proxy-ing > problems > > > On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 03:50:23PM -0400, Scott Brown wrote: > > Actually, it seems to be set to "On" (I dont have any > notes about setting > > this under 2.0.x..) > > > > [root at apollo /home/mailman/Mailman]# grep VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW *.py > > Defaults.py:VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = On > > Utils.py: if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW and host: > > [root at apollo /home/mailman/Mailman]# > > If you aren't actually using Mailman's virtual host feature, > setting it to No (or 0, or Off) may change the hostname used. > From jan at macpomm.de Sat Oct 2 10:47:34 2004 From: jan at macpomm.de (Jan Schlosser) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:47:34 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting acknowledgements global option? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kai Schaetzl wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote on Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:46:16 -0700: > >> new_member_options It's on the lists General Options page "Default >> options for new members joining this list." "Acknowledge the member's >> posting" > > I suggest changing to: > English: Send confirmation (*) for each posting to the member > German: F?r jedes Posting eine Best?tigung an das Mitglied schicken > > (*) instead of acknowledgement > > Shall I open a bug for that? Supervisor for the German translation of Mailman is Peer Heinlein. If he's not reading this list, you can suggest changing this part to him. See http://www.list.org/i18n.html for more information. Jan From JolinWarren at OakandApple.org Sat Oct 2 13:50:17 2004 From: JolinWarren at OakandApple.org (Jolin M Warren) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:50:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notification when users disable delivery Message-ID: Hello, Is it possible to set a list so that the administrator is notified when a member disables delivery? I have a list where I want to make sure that the members receive all messages (unsubscribe on this list requires approval), but I can't figure out how to make sure someone doesn't just disable delivery. This is not vital as no one on the list is devious, but it would be nice for peace of mind. Cheers, Jolin From fran at his.com Sat Oct 2 17:30:49 2004 From: fran at his.com (HIS - Fran) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 11:30:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman is disabling members which bounced info is dated past the bounce_info_stale_after ??? Message-ID: <415EC9A9.9090401@his.com> I noticed a weird thing. users whose email address bounced more than the bounce_info_stale_after (30 day) were recently disabled when I dimisished the bounce threshold to 2.0 Setting of the list are: Bounce_processing: Y *bounce_score_threshold 2.0 **bounce_info_stale_after 30 **bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings 1 **bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval 3* * and yet this user was disabled oct 1: Jul 22 17:26:27 2004 (183) xxxxmembers: xx at domain.com bounce score: 1.0 Jul 23 16:23:47 2004 (183) xx@**domain**.com: xxxxmembers current bounce score: 2.0 Oct 01 09:00:00 2004 (90334) xxxmembers: xx@**domain**.com disabling due to bounce score 2.0 >= 2. * Since the info is more than 2 months old, I though it would not count against this user??? What I'm I doing wrong?? /Fran * *** From mmm-mailman at peyton.org Sat Oct 2 17:48:21 2004 From: mmm-mailman at peyton.org (p e y t o n) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:48:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] yet-another-sendmail-hates-me "list not found" problem Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20041002083245.04c21650@om.iptopia.net> hai! i love this list. and i've searched it thoroughly all the way back to 2002. and while i have found a few messages/replies that address the problem i'm having ... none of them have helped me to solve things. i'll keep this short and sweet. mailman is up and running on redhat 8. there are no error messages in logs, maillog or the webserver error log. when i send a message to the list i get a mailer daemon response that says: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/public_html/mailman/mail/mailman post test" (reason: 1) (expanded from: