From lists at lastonepicked.com  Sat May  1 07:56:29 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:56:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Massive Reduction in Subscribers?
Message-ID: <BCB88A1D.119CF0%lists@lastonepicked.com>

I got a report from a list owner for a list we host... He says his list
membership count went from 32,000 to 25,000 'over a couple of days'. He
obviously thinks this is strange...

Of course, it is possible that a lot of people simply unsubscribed.

I guess it could also be something else... Do bounces ever cause
unsubscription, not just blocking? Would there be something else? It does
seem strange to lose that many members so quickly.

Any pointers to figure out where these folks went would be great.

Cheers,
Hunter




From eric at pretorious.net  Sat May  1 00:57:30 2004
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:57:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_virtualhost: URL_FQDN and the EMAIL_FQDN values
	mixed-up
Message-ID: <200404301557.30670.eric@pretorious.net>

Hello, All:

I've already checked the buglist () by searching for the word "virtual" and 
didn't find this exact problem so I must be doing something wrong when 
creating virtual mailing lists: Mailman gets the URL_FQDN and the EMAIL_FQDN 
values mixed-up. e.g., With the following settings...

Defaults.py:
  DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.leaguehost.net'
  DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.leaguehost.net'
  DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
  VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {}
  MTA = 'Postfix'
  POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['sunnyvalemetro.org']

mm_cfg.py:
  DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'leaguehost.net'
  VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
  add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
  add_virtualhost('mail.sunnyvalemetro.org','sunnyvalemetro.org')

The welcome message reads like this...
===================
The mailing list `bod' has just been created for you....

You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:

    http://sunnyvalemetro.org/mailman/admin/bod

The web page for users of your mailing list is:

    http://sunnyvalemetro.org/mailman/listinfo/bod

There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators)
of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a message
with just the word `help' as subject or in the body, to:

    bod-request at mail.sunnyvalemetro.org
===================

Also, the <FORM ACTION=...> attributes are wrong when viewing the listinfo 
(http://mail.sunnyvalemetro.org/mailman/listinfo/bod):

===================
<FORM Method=POST ACTION="http://sunnyvalemetro.org/mailman/listinfo/bod">
<FORM Method=POST ACTION="http://sunnyvalemetro.org/mailman/subscribe/bod">
To post a message to all the list members, send email to <A 
HREF="mailto:bod at mail.sunnyvalemetro.org">bod at mail.sunnyvalemetro.org</A>
<FORM Method=POST ACTION="http://sunnyvalemetro.org/mailman/roster/bod">
<FORM Method=POST ACTION="http://sunnyvalemetro.org/mailman/options/bod">
===================

I'm using Postfix v. 2 and Mailman 2.1.4.

What am I doing wrong?

-- 
Eric P.
Sunnyvale, CA



From jason at data-flow.org.uk  Sat May  1 12:30:13 2004
From: jason at data-flow.org.uk (Jason Shouler)
Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 11:30:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERPing with Sendmail
Message-ID: <40937C35.4070508@data-flow.org.uk>

Has anyone had any success activating VERP with sendmail?

As far as I can see it could be done but generating the 'aliases' file 
would be daunting to say the least!

Or have I missed a far simpler approach?

-- 
=============================
 Jason Shouler  DATAFLOW
 Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1202-722599
  Mobile : +44 (0)7946-615718
     www.data-flow.org.uk
Linux integration specialists
=============================






From jwt at onjapan.net  Sat May  1 14:00:25 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 21:00:25 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Massive Reduction in Subscribers?
Message-ID: <215B7558-9B67-11D8-9BC3-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

 > I guess it could also be something else... Do bounces ever cause
 > unsubscription, not just blocking? Would there be something else? It 
does
 > seem strange to lose that many members so quickly.

Do you run the "cron/disabled" script to send notifications to users
that have been disabled by bounces?  When all of those notifications
are used up, the user can be deleted.

 > Any pointers to figure out where these folks went would be great.

What does mailman's "subscribe" (and "bounce") log say?




From maillists at conactive.com  Sat May  1 16:32:32 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 16:32:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERPing with Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <40937C35.4070508@data-flow.org.uk>
References: <40937C35.4070508@data-flow.org.uk>
Message-ID: <VA.0000189f.016714a4@virtual-access.org>

Jason Shouler wrote on Sat, 01 May 2004 11:30:13 +0100:

> Or have I missed a far simpler approach?
>

I think so, yes. you don't need to setup anything additionally. Everything 
after and including the plus is just ignored by sendmail unless you put up 
special aliases for catching them.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From wiley at nuvox.net  Sat May  1 20:40:30 2004
From: wiley at nuvox.net (Wiley Wimberly)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 14:40:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/pipermail/MHonArc integration issue
Message-ID: <05AC6B7B-9B9F-11D8-BFD0-000393D609FE@nuvox.net>


Hi, I am using the Mailman/pipermail/MHonArc integration patchs found 
at http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/index.html and have been seeing 
the following issue. When I run bin/arch --wipe listname it correctly 
builds the html for each month section unless there is only a single 
message for the month. The output shows:


figuring article archives
2004-May

Warning: Could not parse date for message
          Message-Id: 
<f7589c774a9bf75f62148a712f1140fd at NO-ID-FOUND.mhonarc.org>

This only seems to happen if there is just one message for that month.

I also see the same error in the error log on all incoming messages 
that are sent to the archiver.

Warning: Could not parse date for message
          Message-Id: 
<4173763d54406fe2a588db538ad84586 at NO-ID-FOUND.mhonarc.org>

The message shows up in the html, but the subject and sender are 
missing from the toc.

	? 	[no subject] ,  Unknown - Sat May 01 14:28:54 2004

Also all of the header lines are missing from the message page. I just 
get a heading of  [no subject].

I am using mailman 2.1.4 with the following patches which all seemed to 
apply cleanly.

modinc-2.1.4-0.1.patch
indexing-2.1.4-0.1.patch
htdig-2.1.4-0.1.patch
mhonarc-2.1.4-0.1.patch


Is anyone else seeing this issue? I have been beating on this for a few 
days and any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.







From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Sat May  1 22:47:36 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:47:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Who Command
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040227095007.028f0ec8@pop.achilles.net>
	<1077905300.3182.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <003c01c42fbd$896441f0$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>

When I send the Who command to the list and get the response from the
server, each email address has 8 spaces in front of it. I would like to
express at least one request to remove those spaces in the code that
generates the list as I have to manually do so when I am moving addresses
between lists. It's not a big deal, obviously, but it would be helpful.




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun May  2 00:27:35 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 23:27:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/pipermail/MHonArc integration issue
In-Reply-To: <05AC6B7B-9B9F-11D8-BFD0-000393D609FE@nuvox.net>
References: <05AC6B7B-9B9F-11D8-BFD0-000393D609FE@nuvox.net>
Message-ID: <BF0D600E-9BBE-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 1 May 2004, at 19:40, Wiley Wimberly wrote:

>
> Hi, I am using the Mailman/pipermail/MHonArc integration patchs found 
> at http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/index.html and have been seeing 
> the following issue. When I run bin/arch --wipe listname it correctly 
> builds the html for each month section unless there is only a single 
> message for the month. The output shows:
>
>
> figuring article archives
> 2004-May
>
> Warning: Could not parse date for message
>          Message-Id: 
> <f7589c774a9bf75f62148a712f1140fd at NO-ID-FOUND.mhonarc.org>
>
> This only seems to happen if there is just one message for that month.
>
> I also see the same error in the error log on all incoming messages 
> that are sent to the archiver.
>
> Warning: Could not parse date for message
>          Message-Id: 
> <4173763d54406fe2a588db538ad84586 at NO-ID-FOUND.mhonarc.org>
>
> The message shows up in the html, but the subject and sender are 
> missing from the toc.
>
> 	? 	[no subject] ,  Unknown - Sat May 01 14:28:54 2004
>
> Also all of the header lines are missing from the message page. I just 
> get a heading of  [no subject].
>
> I am using mailman 2.1.4 with the following patches which all seemed 
> to apply cleanly.
>
> modinc-2.1.4-0.1.patch
> indexing-2.1.4-0.1.patch
> htdig-2.1.4-0.1.patch
> mhonarc-2.1.4-0.1.patch
>
>
> Is anyone else seeing this issue? I have been beating on this for a 
> few days and any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

I have not seen this problem during development and testing of the 
mhonarc integration patch you are using. Nobody has raised a similar 
problem with me but I have no idea how many users (if any, besides 
yourself) there are of the patch. I am running it on servers I maintain 
which have been getting fairly heavy use without seeing this problem.

The MHonArc FAQ provides an explanation for why the message is 
generated but I cannot immediately associate this with an obvious 
defect in the mhonarc integration patch. See MHonArc FAQ at:

     http://www.mhonarc.org/MHonArc/doc/faq/usage.html#parsedate

What version of MHonArc are you running? The patch was developed and 
tested using MHonArc 2.6.8

The say you get this problem when you only have one message in a month 
(I assume this is the archive period for the list?) when running 
bin/arch or when new messages are being handled. This is significant in 
that under these circumstances a single message is piped to the spawned 
process running the mhonarc script, by the patched Mailman/pipermail 
code, rather than the spawned process being handed multiple messages 
written to a temporary mbox file by the patched Mailman/pipermail code. 
Why this should make a difference is not immediately obvious to me.

With MHonArc 2.6.8 source, the actual error message appears to be 
generated around line 818 in the file 
lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/mhamain.pl (under whatever directory path you 
have installed MHonArc in). From what you say about the HTML generated 
for these messages, the failure mode appears to be a general failure 
for MHonArc to identify any headers in the message; in the info you 
cite the message id, date, subject and other headers appear not to have 
been found by the mail header parser used by MHonArc.

On your system, what OS and version, Python version and how installed, 
how was Mailman installed, MHonArc version and how installed?

I'll take a look at the MHonArc 2.6.8 code in abit more detail but I am 
limited on the time and effort I can spend on this; I have some urgent 
paid-work commitments I must meet right now.

I can provide you with some diagnostic code to try and confirm what the 
patched Mailman is piping to MHonArc in order to identity which side of 
the Mailman/MHonArc line the search for a problem solution needs to 
concentrate on, if you want.




From eric at pretorious.net  Sat May  1 03:09:14 2004
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:09:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] After making changes to Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py
Message-ID: <200404301809.14864.eric@pretorious.net>

After making changes to Defaults.py and/or mm_cfg.py do I need to 
restart/flush anything? Changes don't seem to be taking effect right away.

-- 
Eric P.
Sunnyvale, CA



From jeff.hamann at forestinformatics.com  Sun May  2 00:34:01 2004
From: jeff.hamann at forestinformatics.com (Jeff D. Hamann)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 15:34:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot change host_name in admin/mailman/general
Message-ID: <004501c42fcc$66f28460$0c00a8c0@rodan>


I'm sorry for the newbie question, but I've only been able find closely
related answer to this question in the sourceforge bug tracker [875971]that
contains a patch ,

- hostname = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_HOST_NAME or
mm_cfg.DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
+ hostname = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_HOST or
mm_cfg.DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST

and I'm not sure this is correct for me since I've installed the port (2.1.4
which contains a couple of patches).

When I attempt to update the host_name variable from the
http://my.domain.com/mailman/admin/mailman/general, the url contains the
name specified by my "official" ISP and I cannot change the value to match
the domain name I use for mail (forestinformatics.com) nor can I change it
to the name of my server (stimpy) to test and configure mailman from behind
my firewall. In fact, when I phoned a friend to have him change it (so when
you click the "submit your changes" button, he/I would be redirected to the
new url (the correct place) and it still didn't change the value.

So how do I change the host_name for the mailman list (the only one I have
right now) from dsl-57.peak.org to stimpy or forestinformatics.com or
anything so I can configure from either the web interface or a script?

please help...
Jeff.



---
Jeff D. Hamann
Forest Informatics, Inc.
PO Box 1421
Corvallis, Oregon USA 97339-1421
541-754-1428
jeff.hamann at forestinformatics.com
www.forestinformatics.com




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun May  2 00:51:44 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 23:51:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] After making changes to Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py
In-Reply-To: <200404301809.14864.eric@pretorious.net>
References: <200404301809.14864.eric@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <1EBF22FA-9BC2-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 1 May 2004, at 02:09, Eric Pretorious wrote:

> After making changes to Defaults.py and/or mm_cfg.py do I need to
> restart/flush anything? Changes don't seem to be taking effect right 
> away.
>

If you are running MM 2.1.x then you need to run $prefix/bin/mailmanctl 
restart to restart the Mailman daemons so that they will ingest the 
revised config.

On MM 2.0.x the qrunner is a cron job not a daemon and so nothing has 
to be restarted.

> -- 
> Eric P.
> Sunnyvale, CA




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun May  2 00:54:47 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 23:54:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot change host_name in admin/mailman/general
In-Reply-To: <004501c42fcc$66f28460$0c00a8c0@rodan>
References: <004501c42fcc$66f28460$0c00a8c0@rodan>
Message-ID: <8B93953A-9BC2-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 1 May 2004, at 23:34, Jeff D. Hamann wrote:

>
> I'm sorry for the newbie question, but I've only been able find closely
> related answer to this question in the sourceforge bug tracker 
> [875971]that
> contains a patch ,
>
> - hostname = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_HOST_NAME or
> mm_cfg.DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
> + hostname = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_HOST or
> mm_cfg.DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
>
> and I'm not sure this is correct for me since I've installed the port 
> (2.1.4
> which contains a couple of patches).
>
> When I attempt to update the host_name variable from the
> http://my.domain.com/mailman/admin/mailman/general, the url contains 
> the
> name specified by my "official" ISP and I cannot change the value to 
> match
> the domain name I use for mail (forestinformatics.com) nor can I 
> change it
> to the name of my server (stimpy) to test and configure mailman from 
> behind
> my firewall. In fact, when I phoned a friend to have him change it (so 
> when
> you click the "submit your changes" button, he/I would be redirected 
> to the
> new url (the correct place) and it still didn't change the value.
>
> So how do I change the host_name for the mailman list (the only one I 
> have
> right now) from dsl-57.peak.org to stimpy or forestinformatics.com or
> anything so I can configure from either the web interface or a script?
>
> please help...
> Jeff.

Search the FAQ Luke, search the FAQ - its URL it at the end of the each 
message from the list, as a reminder:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

>
> ---
> Jeff D. Hamann
> Forest Informatics, Inc.
> PO Box 1421
> Corvallis, Oregon USA 97339-1421
> 541-754-1428
> jeff.hamann at forestinformatics.com
> www.forestinformatics.com




From eric at pretorious.net  Sat May  1 03:44:58 2004
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:44:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] After making changes to Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py
In-Reply-To: <200404301809.14864.eric@pretorious.net>
References: <200404301809.14864.eric@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <200404301844.58904.eric@pretorious.net>

On Friday 30 April 2004 06:09 pm, Eric Pretorious wrote:
> After making changes to Defaults.py and/or mm_cfg.py do I need to
> restart/flush anything? Changes don't seem to be taking effect right away.

i.e., Changes don't seem to be taking affect at all in the Web interface.

-- 
Eric P.
Sunnyvale, CA



From ElzbVj at aol.com  Sat May  1 09:39:00 2004
From: ElzbVj at aol.com (ElzbVj at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 03:39:00 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:(Mailman_Announce) Re:Mailman 2.1.5 release
	candidate 2
Message-ID: <1a0.23ca8ae3.2dc4ae14@aol.com>

    I was advised by Barry Warsaw to contact you .  I am in need of help with 
my subscription to The _peterson_trial_ The Peterson Case Updates.  I have 
been a  subscriber since November 30, 2004.  Because of illness I was unable to 
keep up with the correspondence.  I did never the less, read daily news on my 
computer of the events from ModBee, and ABC NEWS.  I also keep up with news on 
the LACI board.  Since all this took place and changes have been made, I 
simply do not understand the procedures.  I need point by point guidelines or 
whatever one does to learn to be able to recieve all the news regarding the trial 
and related issues.  Can you give me advise.  Barry also stated that there was 
an upgrade to be made which sounds like "greek" to me.  sorry if I sound a 
little silly but it's quite involved!

                          Whatever you do to help I will appreciate!

                              Yours Truly,  E.J. Vejar   (LIZ)

                                                                           
ElzbVj at aol.com


From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun May  2 03:08:13 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 03:08:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with subscription parsing?
In-Reply-To: <HX03I1$E07189A6FE10B0BD29DDA1BF10BCF314@tiscali.fr>
References: <HX03I1$E07189A6FE10B0BD29DDA1BF10BCF314@tiscali.fr>
Message-ID: <p06002001bcb9f958ea75@[10.0.1.2]>

At 10:27 PM +0200 2004/04/30, David Bourguignon wrote:

>  I have a problem to register to mailing lists managed with gnu
>  mailman. I think it comes from the way my free email provider
>  writes the subject line content but I'm not sure.

	No, the problem is that your MUA is encoding the message in 8-bit 
quoted-printable format.  The "=?iso-8859-1?Q?" stuff at the 
beginning is the way that the MUA tells the receiver what the 
character set is (ISO 8859-1), and the encoding is quoted-printable.

	You need to turn off quoted-printable within your mail program, 
and use plain 7-bit ASCII.  However, this is a question that is 
specific to your particular mail program, and you should start by 
talking to your ISP.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun May  2 03:15:19 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 03:15:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] After making changes to Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py
In-Reply-To: <200404301844.58904.eric@pretorious.net>
References: <200404301809.14864.eric@pretorious.net>
	<200404301844.58904.eric@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <p06002002bcb9fc128e1a@[10.0.1.2]>

At 6:44 PM -0700 2004/04/30, Eric Pretorious wrote:

>  On Friday 30 April 2004 06:09 pm, Eric Pretorious wrote:
>>  After making changes to Defaults.py and/or mm_cfg.py do I need to
>>  restart/flush anything? Changes don't seem to be taking effect right away.
>
>  i.e., Changes don't seem to be taking affect at all in the Web interface.

	This is exactly the same sort of issue answered in FAQ 4.29 at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun May  2 03:20:20 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 03:20:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can not reply to mailman list (More
 Info)
In-Reply-To: <s0925920.001@MS.LINNBENTON.EDU>
References: <s0925920.001@MS.LINNBENTON.EDU>
Message-ID: <p06002003bcb9fc5d9fb1@[10.0.1.2]>

At 1:47 PM -0700 2004/04/30, Lesley Jones wrote:

>  Yes, I can send from the root address and receive email to it just by
>  the local machine and not using mailman. Only not from that one email
>  address.  I can't send to the list or to the local root account from
>  this one email server yet it will receive from mailman, and I have tried
>  multiple accounts on this same email system, so it isn't just one
>  account being bounced.  All other email accounts I have tried work
>  beautifully, can send and receive from the local root account and any
>  mailman list I create.

	Sounds like that one machine is munging the e-mail address when 
the message comes in, so you can receive fine but when you try to 
reply, the address is no longer correct.

	You need to find out what about that machine is broken and then fix that.


	Send a sample message through your mailing list server, and show 
us what it looks like when that message is received on an account 
which works, and what it looks like when that message is received on 
an account which doesn't.  Make sure to include *all* headers in both 
copies of the example.  And I do mean *ALL* headers, including all 
the "Received:" lines, all the "List-" lines, everything.  The body 
isn't really important for debugging this part -- it's just there to 
give you something to generate the necessary headers.

	Also show us all log entries on the server for both the input and 
two outputs, and the log entries on each of the two recipient systems.


	With that information, we might be able to figure out what's going wrong.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From eric at pretorious.net  Sat May  1 06:09:37 2004
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:09:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] After making changes to Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py
In-Reply-To: <D1DE9546-9BC4-11D8-B343-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
References: <200404301809.14864.eric@pretorious.net>
	<200404301840.20778.eric@pretorious.net>
	<D1DE9546-9BC4-11D8-B343-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <200404302109.37369.eric@pretorious.net>

On Saturday 01 May 2004 04:11 pm, you wrote:
> The web interface changes - is your browser reloading from its cache?

Dan:

Konqueror's cache is turned off.

I removed Mailman and re-installed it. When I edited Mailman/Defaults.py to 
set the URL_FQDN and MAIL_FQDN I made a mistake: I mistyped the URL_FQDN - I 
entered 'mail.leaguehot.net' instead of 'mail.leaguehost.net'.

When I access the Web interface [by manually entering the URI into the 
browser], the hyperlinks in the page are wrong. They still point to 
mail.leaguehot.net.

Are these values stored someplace besides Defaults.py?

-- 
Eric P.
Sunnyvale, CA



From eric at pretorious.net  Sat May  1 06:21:18 2004
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:21:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] After making changes to Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py
In-Reply-To: <p06002002bcb9fc128e1a@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <200404301809.14864.eric@pretorious.net>
	<200404301844.58904.eric@pretorious.net>
	<p06002002bcb9fc128e1a@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <200404302121.18743.eric@pretorious.net>

On Saturday 01 May 2004 06:15 pm, you wrote:
> 	This is exactly the same sort of issue answered in FAQ 4.29 at
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp>.

Ah-ha - Now it makes sense! I re-read the page and followed the directions:

> Existing versus new lists
> -------------------------
> 
> Changing these things in mm_cfg.py will now effect new lists. 
> 
> If you want to update existing lists the $prefix/bin/withlist script 
> $prefix/bin/fix_url.py is your friend for resetting things. Just run 
> fix_url.py to get its usage.

...and it fixed things.  Thanks!

-- 
Eric P.
Sunnyvale, CA



From paul at thcwd.com  Sun May  2 05:59:18 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 22:59:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
In-Reply-To: <E1BIrVg-0004yV-3x@mail.python.org>
References: <E1BIrVg-0004yV-3x@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040501225521.01cee788@127.0.0.1>

On 11:02 AM 4/28/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>I wouldn't say that "HTML is not well supported".  The built-in
>pipermail archiver isn't so great with HTML, but this can be
>remedied.  Mailman itself does a pretty reasonable job with regards
>to the messages as they are actually sent out, considering just how
>difficult various programs make this process.

      **Compared to YahooGroups** it's not well supported.  If you allow 
HTML the digests are a challenge for many e-mail programs.  There is 
apparently no way to strip the html and send plain text digests, and 
selecting plain digest results in not getting some posts at all.  It would 
also be nice to be able to reject some attachments and still allow html.

      None of this is to say I don't like or use Mailman - I'm simply 
trying to give a comparison to Y!G.

<>< Paul



From anders at norrbring.biz  Sun May  2 12:35:41 2004
From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 12:35:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extreme CPU usage..
Message-ID: <20040502103542.02FC2203E@mail.the-server.net>

I've noticed that at change of month when e-mail should be sent to all list
members (the password reminder) my CPU usage increases dramatically.

Right now I can see that Python consumes 93.4% of the CPU time (checked in
top).  My mailman is v2.1.2 and the list (one and only) has about 180
members.  A wild guess would be that about 5% of these are invalid
addresses.

Anyone with a qualified guess?

Anders.





From karl at sfdata.net  Sun May  2 12:57:13 2004
From: karl at sfdata.net (Karl R. Balsmeier)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 03:57:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe OK/ Doesn't Post [Imap-specific]
Message-ID: <15666.216.175.81.169.1083495433.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>

I have a unique problem.  Users operating squirrelmail[via imap] can
subscribe to a list.  But cannot post to it.

They see the traffic, but when responding to a post, the replies never
make it to the list.

The same user can switch to Eudora/Ximian/Kmail[pop3d] and respond to a
post, and see their reply, it makes it to the list just fine.

I've read the logs in mailman, thinking smtp-failures log would have some
answers, none found there or the other logs.  I have also monitored
traffic with my recv'ing MTA, it detects no mails coming from the web
mail/squirrelmail submissions, but sees the complete pop3 sessions just
fine.

/etc/aliases looks fine:
stupid-pet-tricks1: postmaster

Any ideas on which logs I could trace an error out?  It seems unique to
imap clients, does anyone using Exim as their MM MTA suggest a look at
transports/directors instead of Mailman itself?

-krb





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun May  2 13:02:25 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 13:02:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe OK/ Doesn't Post
 [Imap-specific]
In-Reply-To: <15666.216.175.81.169.1083495433.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
References: <15666.216.175.81.169.1083495433.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
Message-ID: <p06002005bcba85a2fc8b@[10.0.1.2]>

At 3:57 AM -0700 2004/05/02, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:

>  I've read the logs in mailman, thinking smtp-failures log would have some
>  answers, none found there or the other logs.  I have also monitored
>  traffic with my recv'ing MTA, it detects no mails coming from the web
>  mail/squirrelmail submissions, but sees the complete pop3 sessions just
>  fine.

	The problem sounds like it's on the sending MTA.  Can you get the 
logs from that machine?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From karl at sfdata.net  Sun May  2 13:26:52 2004
From: karl at sfdata.net (Karl R. Balsmeier)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 04:26:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: Subscribe OK/ Doesn't Post[Imap-specific]
In-Reply-To: <p06002005bcba85a2fc8b@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <15666.216.175.81.169.1083495433.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
	<p06002005bcba85a2fc8b@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <15766.216.175.81.169.1083497212.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>

Thanks Brad,

Yes, the [below] output of the mail log on the sending server shows some
detail, but perhaps not all.  I will run the qmail on the sending server
(the one where squirrelmail is being used) in debug mode and see if I
can't capture a better explanation as to just why these imap-client
sessions are failing...

Any ideas?

sendsrvr qmail: 1083496562.271934 new msg 2371240
sendsrvr qmail: 1083496562.272011 info msg 2371240: bytes 842 from
<test at domain.org> qp 23610 uid 500
sendsrvr imapd: Connection, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1]
sendsrvr imapd: LOGIN, user=test, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1], protocol=IMAP
sendsrvr qmail: 1083496562.373877 starting delivery 39108: msg 2371240 to
remote testlist at mailman.domain.org
sendsrvr qmail: 1083496562.373939 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20
sendsrvr qmail: 1083496562.449644 delivery 39108: deferral:
Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/
sendsrvr qmail: 1083496562.449707 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
sendsrvr imapd: LOGOUT, user=test, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1], headers=0, body=0

-karlski


> At 3:57 AM -0700 2004/05/02, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:
>
>>  I've read the logs in mailman, thinking smtp-failures log would have
>> some
>>  answers, none found there or the other logs.  I have also monitored
>>  traffic with my recv'ing MTA, it detects no mails coming from the web
>>  mail/squirrelmail submissions, but sees the complete pop3 sessions just
>>  fine.
>
> 	The problem sounds like it's on the sending MTA.  Can you get the
> logs from that machine?
>
> --
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun May  2 14:00:05 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 14:00:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: Subscribe OK/ Doesn't Post[Imap-specific]
In-Reply-To: <15766.216.175.81.169.1083497212.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
References: <15666.216.175.81.169.1083495433.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>   
	<p06002005bcba85a2fc8b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<15766.216.175.81.169.1083497212.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
Message-ID: <p06002007bcba927e00da@[10.0.1.2]>

At 4:26 AM -0700 2004/05/02, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:

>  sendsrvr qmail: 1083496562.373877 starting delivery 39108: msg 2371240 to
>  remote testlist at mailman.domain.org
>  sendsrvr qmail: 1083496562.373939 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20
>  sendsrvr qmail: 1083496562.449644 delivery 39108: deferral:
>  Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/

	Here's the problem.  It's even spelled out in pretty plain 
english -- The remote server could not contact yours.

	The exact reasons are not clear, but the problem is most likely 
on their end.  Could be a firewall problem, or a routing problem, or 
who knows what.  But this is something you need to discuss with the 
administrators of that machine and your local network support group.

	You could also get some help from mailing lists or newsgroups 
that are specific to the MTAs you're using on both ends.  But I think 
this is about as much help as we're likely to be able to provide.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From maillists at conactive.com  Sun May  2 15:32:07 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 15:32:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:(Mailman_Announce) Re:Mailman 2.1.5 release
	candidate 2
In-Reply-To: <1a0.23ca8ae3.2dc4ae14@aol.com>
References: <1a0.23ca8ae3.2dc4ae14@aol.com>
Message-ID: <VA.000018a0.006add9e@virtual-access.org>

 wrote on Sat, 1 May 2004 03:39:00 EDT:

> I was advised by Barry Warsaw to contact you .

Really? I wonder why.

> I am in need of help with 
> my subscription to The _peterson trial_ The Peterson Case Updates.  I have 
> been a  subscriber since November 30, 2004.
>

It sounds like you are subscribed to a mailing list and have a problem with 
it. You should contact the lists maintainer.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From maillists at conactive.com  Sun May  2 15:32:07 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 15:32:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with subscription parsing?
In-Reply-To: <p06002001bcb9f958ea75@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <HX03I1$E07189A6FE10B0BD29DDA1BF10BCF314@tiscali.fr>
	<p06002001bcb9f958ea75@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <VA.000018a1.006add9e@virtual-access.org>

Brad Knowles wrote on Sun, 2 May 2004 03:08:13 +0200:

> You need to turn off quoted-printable within your mail program, 
> and use plain 7-bit ASCII.
>

As a side note, he possibly wants to enable 8bit, because he's French. If 
that client is Outlook (Express) that means: choose *no* encoding for the 
message and disallow 8bit headers in the headers.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From paul at thcwd.com  Sun May  2 20:30:27 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 13:30:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Extreme CPU usage..
In-Reply-To: <E1BKEex-0004oL-2J@mail.python.org>
References: <E1BKEex-0004oL-2J@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040502132529.01da93c0@127.0.0.1>

On 05:57 AM 5/2/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>I've noticed that at change of month when e-mail should be sent to all list
>members (the password reminder) my CPU usage increases dramatically.
>
>Right now I can see that Python consumes 93.4% of the CPU time (checked in
>top).

      Is that a sustained level, or a momentary peak?  What processes are 
eating up the CPU?

>Anyone with a qualified guess?

      Unless something is misconfigured or stuck it should not be 
Mailman.  Try restarting Mailman (prefix/bin/mailmanctl restart) and see it 
that clears it.

<>< Paul



From paul at thcwd.com  Sun May  2 20:36:28 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 13:36:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Keeping the Publich_HTML subscription page from
	popping up.
In-Reply-To: <E1BJYqD-00008r-0z@mail.python.org>
References: <E1BJYqD-00008r-0z@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040430110343.01da3280@127.0.0.1>

Alan Camuto wrote:
>I'd like for the "subscription results" page not to pop up every time an
>e-mail address is submitted, or for them to be directed to one of the other
>pages on my server. How do I go about turning off the "subscription results"
>Public Html page?       Is there a tag I can add to keep it from happening?

      Copy subscribe.html from the templates to 
<prefix>/mailman/lists/<listname>/en (assuming English) and modify the html 
of that page as you like.  You could even set up a meta or java redirect 
from that page to the one you want.

<>< Paul





From wiley at nuvox.net  Sun May  2 21:52:14 2004
From: wiley at nuvox.net (Wiley Wimberly)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 15:52:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/pipermail/MHonArc integration issue
In-Reply-To: <BF0D600E-9BBE-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <05AC6B7B-9B9F-11D8-BFD0-000393D609FE@nuvox.net>
	<BF0D600E-9BBE-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <354AAA16-9C72-11D8-BFD0-000393D609FE@nuvox.net>


On May 1, 2004, at 6:27 PM, Richard Barrett wrote:

> On 1 May 2004, at 19:40, Wiley Wimberly wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi, I am using the Mailman/pipermail/MHonArc integration patchs found 
>> at http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/index.html and have been seeing 
>> the following issue. When I run bin/arch --wipe listname it correctly 
>> builds the html for each month section unless there is only a single 
>> message for the month. The output shows:
>>
>>
>> figuring article archives
>> 2004-May
>>
>> Warning: Could not parse date for message
>>          Message-Id: 
>> <f7589c774a9bf75f62148a712f1140fd at NO-ID-FOUND.mhonarc.org>
>>
>> This only seems to happen if there is just one message for that month.
>>
>> I also see the same error in the error log on all incoming messages 
>> that are sent to the archiver.
>>
>> Warning: Could not parse date for message
>>          Message-Id: 
>> <4173763d54406fe2a588db538ad84586 at NO-ID-FOUND.mhonarc.org>
>>
>> The message shows up in the html, but the subject and sender are 
>> missing from the toc.
>>
>> 	? 	[no subject] ,  Unknown - Sat May 01 14:28:54 2004
>>
>> Also all of the header lines are missing from the message page. I 
>> just get a heading of  [no subject].
>>
>> I am using mailman 2.1.4 with the following patches which all seemed 
>> to apply cleanly.
>>
>> modinc-2.1.4-0.1.patch
>> indexing-2.1.4-0.1.patch
>> htdig-2.1.4-0.1.patch
>> mhonarc-2.1.4-0.1.patch
>>
>>
>> Is anyone else seeing this issue? I have been beating on this for a 
>> few days and any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>
> I have not seen this problem during development and testing of the 
> mhonarc integration patch you are using. Nobody has raised a similar 
> problem with me but I have no idea how many users (if any, besides 
> yourself) there are of the patch. I am running it on servers I 
> maintain which have been getting fairly heavy use without seeing this 
> problem.
>
> The MHonArc FAQ provides an explanation for why the message is 
> generated but I cannot immediately associate this with an obvious 
> defect in the mhonarc integration patch. See MHonArc FAQ at:
>
>     http://www.mhonarc.org/MHonArc/doc/faq/usage.html#parsedate
>
> What version of MHonArc are you running? The patch was developed and 
> tested using MHonArc 2.6.8

I am using version 2.6.8 of MHonArc as well.

>
> The say you get this problem when you only have one message in a month 
> (I assume this is the archive period for the list?) when running 
> bin/arch or when new messages are being handled. This is significant 
> in that under these circumstances a single message is piped to the 
> spawned process running the mhonarc script, by the patched 
> Mailman/pipermail code, rather than the spawned process being handed 
> multiple messages written to a temporary mbox file by the patched 
> Mailman/pipermail code. Why this should make a difference is not 
> immediately obvious to me.
>
> With MHonArc 2.6.8 source, the actual error message appears to be 
> generated around line 818 in the file 
> lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/mhamain.pl (under whatever directory path 
> you have installed MHonArc in). From what you say about the HTML 
> generated for these messages, the failure mode appears to be a general 
> failure for MHonArc to identify any headers in the message; in the 
> info you cite the message id, date, subject and other headers appear 
> not to have been found by the mail header parser used by MHonArc.
>
> On your system, what OS and version, Python version and how installed, 
> how was Mailman installed, MHonArc version and how installed?

The box is running RedHat Enterprise Linux ES version 3 with the latest 
updates provided by up2date. Python is the rpm that came with the 
distribution python-2.2.3-5. I compiled mailman after patching with the 
4 patches that I mentioned before. I have also tried doing a clean 
install with the combined source and patches from your site. MHonArc is 
version 2.6.8 and I followed the example given in your instructions to 
install it.


>
> I'll take a look at the MHonArc 2.6.8 code in abit more detail but I 
> am limited on the time and effort I can spend on this; I have some 
> urgent paid-work commitments I must meet right now.
>
> I can provide you with some diagnostic code to try and confirm what 
> the patched Mailman is piping to MHonArc in order to identity which 
> side of the Mailman/MHonArc line the search for a problem solution 
> needs to concentrate on, if you want.

The diagnostic code would be much appreciated. Thanks for your help.

>
>




From zzizzle at zzizzle.com  Sun May  2 17:58:46 2004
From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle.com)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 08:58:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confirm Subscription Page
Message-ID: <97D11A98-9C51-11D8-9F71-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com>

Anyone know how to edit the html of the "confirm subscription page?"  I 
see how to edit the html of the other four pages, but then it gives you 
the standard, crappy-looking mailman page to confirm your subscription. 
  If you know the answer, please keep in mind i am not a programmer, and 
just pretty much know html.  Thanks!  Jonathan www.zzizzle.com




From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Sun May  2 23:31:51 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd Tennison)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 14:31:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confirm Subscription Page
Message-ID: <PC167020040502143151084592aeb780@main>

Read the thread from this week that is titled:

[Mailman-Users] Re: Keeping the Publich_HTML subscription page from
	popping up.

It is in Public HTML pages on the main menu.



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>Errors-To: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
>
>Anyone know how to edit the html of the "confirm subscription page?"  I 
>see how to edit the html of the other four pages, but then it gives you 
>the standard, crappy-looking mailman page to confirm your subscription. 
>  If you know the answer, please keep in mind i am not a programmer, and 
>just pretty much know html.  Thanks!  Jonathan www.zzizzle.com
>
>
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From karl at sfdata.net  Sun May  2 23:57:27 2004
From: karl at sfdata.net (Karl R. Balsmeier)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 14:57:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: Imap-clients subscribe OK, But Can't POST!
In-Reply-To: <p06002007bcba927e00da@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <15666.216.175.81.169.1083495433.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>  
	<p06002005bcba85a2fc8b@[10.0.1.2]><15766.216.175.81.169.1083497212.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
	<p06002007bcba927e00da@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <5362.216.175.81.169.1083535047.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>

Brad,

Thanks for the analysis, but i'm sticking to my guns.  I have done my
homework my friend!  ; )

The reason I believe it's Mailman related is because SUBSCRIBING WORKS
from Imap-clients but then when they POST, it doesn't come through.  I can
post to any other mailman-based list in the world with the same
Imap-client, so I know it's not that.

Question:
How can an IMAP-client session connect just fine to subscribe to a list,
go through all the motions involved with confirming & tailoring said
subscription, and then mysteriously *not* work when it comes to *posting*
a message to the list *that works in all other manner*?

I understand the *logic* of the error I sent, but not the *SOURCE* after
checking ALL logs.  I am in FULL control of all of these machines,
accounts, network, router, you name it. I know it can't connect because it
says it can't, I am little more seasoned than you are giving me credit
for.

****EVERYTHING works except this minor issue.***

Someone else asked that I run a test from the sending MTA, so I did.  I
only wanted to prove that it's not Mailman-specific, thus the contact with
this list.

I REPEAT:  All other elements of the mailman setup work great from the
same servers on both ends, e.g. Pop3-based client sessions work fine.

Mailman integrates with other open-source programs, it's natural to get
shunted around between the projects when a problem arises, so there's no
negative element, just a sincere wish to fix an intermediate-level
problem.

-karlski



> At 4:26 AM -0700 2004/05/02, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:
>
>>  sendsrvr qmail: 1083496562.373877 starting delivery 39108: msg 2371240
>> to
>>  remote testlist at mailman.domain.org
>>  sendsrvr qmail: 1083496562.373939 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20
>>  sendsrvr qmail: 1083496562.449644 delivery 39108: deferral:
>>  Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/
>
> 	Here's the problem.  It's even spelled out in pretty plain
> english -- The remote server could not contact yours.
>
> 	The exact reasons are not clear, but the problem is most likely
> on their end.  Could be a firewall problem, or a routing problem, or
> who knows what.  But this is something you need to discuss with the
> administrators of that machine and your local network support group.
>
> 	You could also get some help from mailing lists or newsgroups
> that are specific to the MTAs you're using on both ends.  But I think
> this is about as much help as we're likely to be able to provide.
>
> --
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>




From eric at pretorious.net  Sun May  2 06:45:26 2004
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 21:45:26 -0700
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] After making changes to Defaults.py or
	mm_cfg.py
Message-ID: <200405012145.26202.eric@pretorious.net>

$prefix/bin/withlist doesn't seem to work now... (i.e., It worked yesterday!)

> away mailman # bin/newlist bod at sunnyvalemetro.org
> Enter the email of the person running the list: ericp at he.net
> Initial bod password:
> Hit enter to notify bod owner...
> 
> away mailman #  bin/withlist -l -r fix_url bod -v
> Importing fix_url...
> Running fix_url.fix_url()...
> Loading list bod (locked)
> Setting web_page_url to: http://mail.leaguehost.net/mailman/
> Setting host_name to: leaguehost.net
> Saving list
> Finalizing

(Notice that the domain's been changed from 'sunnyvalemetro.org' to 
'leaguehost.net'.)

What's causing this?

-- 
Eric P.
Sunnyvale, CA

=========mm_cfg.py:============
MTA = 'Postfix'

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('mail.sunnyvalemetro.org','sunnyvalemetro.org')
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['sunnyvalemetro.org']
=========mm_cfg.py:============


----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] After making changes to Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py
Date: Friday 30 April 2004 09:21 pm
From: Eric Pretorious <eric at pretorious.net>
To: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
Cc: mailman-users at python.org

On Saturday 01 May 2004 06:15 pm, you wrote:
> 	This is exactly the same sort of issue answered in FAQ 4.29 at
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp>.

Ah-ha - Now it makes sense! I re-read the page and followed the directions:
> Existing versus new lists
> -------------------------
>
> Changing these things in mm_cfg.py will now effect new lists.
>
> If you want to update existing lists the $prefix/bin/withlist script
> $prefix/bin/fix_url.py is your friend for resetting things. Just run
> fix_url.py to get its usage.

...and it fixed things.  Thanks!
-------------------------------------------------------



From mibcons at telusplanet.net  Mon May  3 06:51:08 2004
From: mibcons at telusplanet.net (Michel Buitendyk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:51:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounced log
References: <200405012145.26202.eric@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <003201c430ca$45e9e520$2bceb8a1@mshome.net>

Hi,

A quick question.

My list are part of CPanel and so I have only limited access to some area's

Where can I find the log who's addresses are bouncing? Is there such a log?

Thanks a bunch!

Michel


---

Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.672 / Virus Database: 434 - Release Date: 4/28/2004




From python.org at daveola.com  Sun May  2 22:51:12 2004
From: python.org at daveola.com (David Ljung Madison)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:51:12
Subject: [Mailman-Users] logs/ permissions keep changing,
	running check_perms -f multiple times!
Message-ID: <E1BKWPh-0005Jo-00@dave.getdave.com>

Someone please help!

The files in logs/ keep getting their permissions screwed up.

They're supposed to be group "mailman" - but they keep getting
changed to list and then they're unwritable, and I get the
"permission denied" traceback.

Then I run check_perms -f and everything is fine, but I check a
few days later and the ownership is broken again.

I've tried compiling with other users and that didn't help.

How can I keep this from happening?

Dave

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon May  3 08:03:08 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 07:03:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] After making changes to Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py
In-Reply-To: <200405012145.26202.eric@pretorious.net>
References: <200405012145.26202.eric@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <8CDDF6C2-9CC7-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 2 May 2004, at 05:45, Eric Pretorious wrote:

> $prefix/bin/withlist doesn't seem to work now... (i.e., It worked  
> yesterday!)
>
>> away mailman # bin/newlist bod at sunnyvalemetro.org

Your problem may start with the domain you are specifying in the  
newlist command.

This command accepts the domain of the URL host NOT that of the mail  
host.

The mm_cfg entries you show below add a virtual host with a URL host of  
mail.sunnyvalemetro.org and EMAIL host of sunnyvalemetro.org.

You should probably have said:

     away mailman # bin/newlist bod at mail.sunnyvalemetro.org

Your actual use of the newlist specifies a URL host that is not a key  
in the VIRTUALHOSTS dictionary. The consequence is that, in this case,  
the domain specified to the command is being used to form both URLs and  
email host for the list being created; it is just 'coincidence' that  
the email host is the same as the value one of key/value the entries  
that is in the  VIRTUALHOSTS dictionary.

Run newlist with the -h option and read the output carefully to see  
what I mean.

>> Enter the email of the person running the list: ericp at he.net
>> Initial bod password:
>> Hit enter to notify bod owner...
>>
>> away mailman #  bin/withlist -l -r fix_url bod -v
>> Importing fix_url...
>> Running fix_url.fix_url()...
>> Loading list bod (locked)
>> Setting web_page_url to: http://mail.leaguehost.net/mailman/
>> Setting host_name to: leaguehost.net
>> Saving list
>> Finalizing
>
> (Notice that the domain's been changed from 'sunnyvalemetro.org' to
> 'leaguehost.net'.)
>
> What's causing this?
>

You did not specify a domain to the fix_url.py and so the values of  
DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST have been used. Presumably your  
DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST respectively are set to  
mail.leaguehost.net and leaguehost.net in your Defaults.py. Your  
extract from mm_cfg.py does not indicate you have attempted to override  
these assignments in mm_cfg.py

> --  
> Eric P.
> Sunnyvale, CA
>
> =========mm_cfg.py:============
> MTA = 'Postfix'
>
> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> add_virtualhost('mail.sunnyvalemetro.org','sunnyvalemetro.org')
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['sunnyvalemetro.org']
> =========mm_cfg.py:============
>
>
> ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] After making changes to Defaults.py or  
> mm_cfg.py
> Date: Friday 30 April 2004 09:21 pm
> From: Eric Pretorious <eric at pretorious.net>
> To: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>
> On Saturday 01 May 2004 06:15 pm, you wrote:
>> 	This is exactly the same sort of issue answered in FAQ 4.29 at
>> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
>> req=show&file=faq04.029.htp>.
>
> Ah-ha - Now it makes sense! I re-read the page and followed the  
> directions:
>> Existing versus new lists
>> -------------------------
>>
>> Changing these things in mm_cfg.py will now effect new lists.
>>
>> If you want to update existing lists the $prefix/bin/withlist script
>> $prefix/bin/fix_url.py is your friend for resetting things. Just run
>> fix_url.py to get its usage.
>
> ...and it fixed things.  Thanks!
> -------------------------------------------------------




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May  3 09:32:11 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:32:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: Imap-clients subscribe OK, But Can't POST!
In-Reply-To: <5362.216.175.81.169.1083535047.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
References: <15666.216.175.81.169.1083495433.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>     
	<p06002005bcba85a2fc8b@[10.0.1.2]><15766.216.175.81.169.1083497212
	.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>    <p06002007bcba927e00da@[10.0.1.2]>
	<5362.216.175.81.169.1083535047.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
Message-ID: <p06002008bcbb89ad9357@[10.0.1.2]>

At 2:57 PM -0700 2004/05/02, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:

>  The reason I believe it's Mailman related is because SUBSCRIBING WORKS
>  from Imap-clients but then when they POST, it doesn't come through.  I can
>  post to any other mailman-based list in the world with the same
>  Imap-client, so I know it's not that.

	Are they posting "virgin" messages to the list, or replying to 
them?  If they're replying, then the reply address is most likely 
getting munged somewhere, and it's probably not your server.

	If they're posting virgin messages to the exact same address 
(well, address family) that they used to subscribe to the list, then 
you'd need to see more diagnostic data.

>  Question:
>  How can an IMAP-client session connect just fine to subscribe to a list,
>  go through all the motions involved with confirming & tailoring said
>  subscription, and then mysteriously *not* work when it comes to *posting*
>  a message to the list *that works in all other manner*?

	This has nothing to do with IMAP.  There's a problem somewhere 
with some program munging addresses, and it's hard to say where that 
problem is.  Since everything else works with your server and all 
your other clients, the odds are extremely high that this problem is 
unique to the other server and perhaps some aspect of the other 
server, and therefore unrelated to Mailman ... which means that there 
is little more help that we are likely to be able to provide.

>  Someone else asked that I run a test from the sending MTA, so I did.  I
>  only wanted to prove that it's not Mailman-specific, thus the contact with
>  this list.

	The problem certainly seems to be something other than Mailman.

	As such, I think we've probably provided you with about as much 
help as we're likely to be able to.

>  Mailman integrates with other open-source programs, it's natural to get
>  shunted around between the projects when a problem arises, so there's no
>  negative element, just a sincere wish to fix an intermediate-level
>  problem.

	I understand, but if the problem isn't specific to Mailman, then 
you're in the area of general mail-system debugging -- which is 
beyond the remit of this list.

	That said, I think many of us would be willing to try to continue 
to help if we can, but you must understand that our ability to do so 
may well be very limited depending on the particular MTAs, MUAs, 
Local Delivery Agents, etc... that are in use on the various systems.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May  3 10:00:04 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:00:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] logs/ permissions keep changing, 
	running check_perms -f multiple times!
In-Reply-To: <E1BKWPh-0005Jo-00@dave.getdave.com>
References: <E1BKWPh-0005Jo-00@dave.getdave.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200fbcbbac2ca929@[10.0.1.2]>

At 10:51 PM +0200 2004/05/02, David Ljung Madison wrote:

>  The files in logs/ keep getting their permissions screwed up.

	You've probably got a cron jobs somewhere that is rotating the 
logs and not setting the ownership permissions correctly.

	You may find FAQ 4.7 helpful.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.007.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From python.org at daveola.com  Mon May  3 04:40:15 2004
From: python.org at daveola.com (David Ljung Madison)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 04:40:15
Subject: [Mailman-Users] logs/ permissions keep changing,
	running check_perms -f multiple times!
In-Reply-To: <p0600200fbcbbac2ca929@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <E1BKWPh-0005Jo-00@dave.getdave.com>
	<p0600200fbcbbac2ca929@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <E1BKbor-0005xn-00@dave.getdave.com>

Brad Knowles says:
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.007.htp>.

Thanks muchly - that was pretty much it.

By the way - Brad.  I would've sent this to you directly, but your ISP
is blocking my email.  Please see:

  http://getdave.com/skynet.txt

Dave

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From prodos at prodos.com  Mon May  3 14:43:11 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Mon,  3 May 2004 05:43:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
Message-ID: <20040503124311.11545.qmail@webmail04.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)
To: Paul H Byerly

Dear Paul,

Good evening.


[quoting an earlier message:]
> >I wouldn't say that "HTML is not well supported".  The built-in
> >pipermail archiver isn't so great with HTML, but this can be
> >remedied.  Mailman itself does a pretty reasonable job with regards
> >to the messages as they are actually sent out, considering just how
> >difficult various programs make this process.


[Paul:]
>       **Compared to YahooGroups** it's not well supported.
> If you allow HTML the digests are a challenge for many e-mail programs.
>  There is apparently no way to strip the html and send plain text digests,
> and selecting plain digest results in not getting some posts at all.  It
> would also be nice to be able to reject some attachments and still allow
> html.
>
>       None of this is to say I don't like or use Mailman - I'm simply
> trying to give a comparison to Y!G.


Thanks for those additional notes.

Best Wishes,

PRODOS

http://prodos.com

"The biggest, brainiest, blockbuster show on the planet!"







From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May  3 14:59:46 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 14:59:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] logs/ permissions keep changing, 
	running check_perms -f multiple times!
In-Reply-To: <E1BKbor-0005xn-00@dave.getdave.com>
References: <E1BKWPh-0005Jo-00@dave.getdave.com>
	<p0600200fbcbbac2ca929@[10.0.1.2]>
	<E1BKbor-0005xn-00@dave.getdave.com>
Message-ID: <p06002019bcbbee612d8d@[10.0.1.2]>

At 4:40 AM +0200 2004/05/03, David Ljung Madison wrote:

>  Brad Knowles says:
>>  <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.007.htp>.
>
>  Thanks muchly - that was pretty much it.

	Glad I could help!

>  By the way - Brad.  I would've sent this to you directly, but your ISP
>  is blocking my email.  Please see:
>
>    http://getdave.com/skynet.txt

	According to the IP address listed (63.204.157.4), you're a 
PacBell/SBC ADSL customer, and many blacklists for dynamic IP 
addresses will include all known ADSL customers.  See 
<http://www.moensted.dk/spam/?addr=63.204.157.4&Submit=Submit>.

	Given the extremely high frequency of zombies and open proxies on 
ADSL lines, I'm surprised that you're not having much worse problems 
getting your e-mail rejected or silently thrown away.

	If possible, I'd encourage you to try to get a static IP address 
assigned to you by PacBell/SBC that is not in this same block. 
Alternatively, you may want to try to route your outbound mail 
through their server, or find an alternative mail services provider 
that will allow you to route outbound e-mail through them.

	If you want to go with a co-location provider (as opposed to 
virtual hosting, or other services-only offerings), you may be 
interested in the list at <http://www.vix.com/personalcolo/>.


	Unfortunately, when it comes to Skynet, they're pretty clueless. 
Everyone with a clue left when Skynet was re-absorbed back into the 
parent company Belgacom (the former PTT for Belgium, and still 51% 
owned by the gov't).  One of my former co-workers from Skynet is so 
disenchanted with the employment situation now that he's getting out 
of Unix/Internet system administration completely, and I think he 
said that he's going to go work in Pizza Hut.

	Skynet is so clueless that they are in the rfc-ignorant.org black 
list, because they refuse to accept abuse@ e-mail, and instead try to 
force everyone to go through a web page.  Looks like they've gotten 
worse and now won't accept any complaints from anyone who is not a 
customer.

	They pretty much deserve whatever they get.

	Unfortunately, I'm pretty much stuck using Skynet as my Internet 
access provider.  Belgacom is the only DSL provider allowed by law, 
and all other ISPs that resell Belgacom DSL service are much worse.

	Cablemodem isn't an option, either.  When we asked the monopoly 
cable provider years ago, they said that they were upgrading 
neighborhood-by-neighborhood, and that our neighborhood wasn't 
scheduled to be upgraded for several years.  They said that they'd 
call us if/when they ever got around to upgrading the network in this 
area.

	Sigh....


	Anyway, if anyone needs another way to get e-mail to me, you can 
try brad at stop.mail-abuse.org or brad at shub-internet.org.  However, 
each of them run their own different sets of blacklists, so you may 
or may not be able to get through to one or the other, or possibly 
both.

	I am working on getting my own co-location server set up, and 
once I do that I'll be moving all my traffic and virtual domains 
directly to that machine, where I will have a lot more control over 
what black lists are run, etc....

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From cms at balius.com  Mon May  3 14:10:34 2004
From: cms at balius.com (Chad M Stewart)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 08:10:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a different port number
Message-ID: <E19AAAD3-9CFA-11D8-9CD6-000A959CF11A@balius.com>


I checked the FAQ, nothing. I searched google and came up with nothing 
helpful either.  So what are the magic steps to make mailman work and 
be aware that it is running on a different port?   If I put the port 
number in the URL by hand it works, but alas the URLs that get returned 
by listinfo or admin do not contain the port number.


I am not on this list, so please include me in your replies.


Thanks,
Chad




From schimmer at europa.cg.cs.tu-bs.de  Mon May  3 15:17:07 2004
From: schimmer at europa.cg.cs.tu-bs.de (Lars Schimmer)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 15:17:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving mailman lists from a server to another,
	probs.. help wanted
Message-ID: <40964653.7030009@europa.cg.cs.tu-bs.de>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi!

After getting mailman to work proper, I have to move the archive and the
whole lists from the old server to the new one.
I set up a new Debian server and the conf was all done, after that I scp
all the /mailman/lists/* and /mailman/archive/* files to the new server,
changed the owner to root:list on all (list is the mailman user).
Finally I run /mailman/bin/arch on every mailinglist in the list dir.
But after starting mailman daemon and visiting the /mailman/list site on
http, there was NO list listet.
What went wrong?
What do I have to do more?

Cya
Lars
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From schimmer at cg.cs.tu-bs.de  Mon May  3 16:26:18 2004
From: schimmer at cg.cs.tu-bs.de (Lars Schimmer)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 16:26:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving mailman lists from a server to another,
	partly solved
In-Reply-To: <40964653.7030009@europa.cg.cs.tu-bs.de>
References: <40964653.7030009@europa.cg.cs.tu-bs.de>
Message-ID: <4096568A.90509@cg.cs.tu-bs.de>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Lars Schimmer schrieb:
| Hi!
|
| After getting mailman to work proper, I have to move the archive and the
| whole lists from the old server to the new one.
| I set up a new Debian server and the conf was all done, after that I scp
| all the /mailman/lists/* and /mailman/archive/* files to the new server,
| changed the owner to root:list on all (list is the mailman user).
| Finally I run /mailman/bin/arch on every mailinglist in the list dir.
| But after starting mailman daemon and visiting the /mailman/list site on
| http, there was NO list listet.
| What went wrong?
| What do I have to do more?

Afteer reading a bit more the FAQ and testing, I found the withlist
commmand and the server print out all the lists.
BUT one error keeps alive:
On the "List archive" main-page, on the link
"You can get more information about this list."

There's the old URL hidden, NOT the new one.
Any hints ?

| Cya
| Lars
Cya
Lars
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From jason at data-flow.org.uk  Mon May  3 16:45:45 2004
From: jason at data-flow.org.uk (Jason Shouler)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 15:45:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERPing with Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <VA.0000189f.016714a4@virtual-access.org>
References: <40937C35.4070508@data-flow.org.uk>
	<VA.0000189f.016714a4@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <40965B19.1070401@data-flow.org.uk>

Thanks Kai,

Works a treat just as you suggested!

The VERP option used with passwd reminders sure makes it a lot easier to 
resolve problem bounces.

Jason.

Kai Schaetzl wrote:

>Jason Shouler wrote on Sat, 01 May 2004 11:30:13 +0100:
>
>  
>
>>Or have I missed a far simpler approach?
>>
>>    
>>
>
>I think so, yes. you don't need to setup anything additionally. Everything 
>after and including the plus is just ignored by sendmail unless you put up 
>special aliases for catching them.
>
>
>Kai
>
>  
>

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon May  3 18:34:13 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:34:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a different port number
In-Reply-To: <E19AAAD3-9CFA-11D8-9CD6-000A959CF11A@balius.com>
References: <E19AAAD3-9CFA-11D8-9CD6-000A959CF11A@balius.com>
Message-ID: <B68D66A4-9D1F-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 3 May 2004, at 13:10, Chad M Stewart wrote:

>
> I checked the FAQ, nothing.

You did not check enough. Read the whole explanation here:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

> I searched google and came up with nothing helpful either.  So what 
> are the magic steps to make mailman work and be aware that it is 
> running on a different port?   If I put the port number in the URL by 
> hand it works, but alas the URLs that get returned by listinfo or 
> admin do not contain the port number.
>
>
> I am not on this list, so please include me in your replies.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Chad




From listmom at travellercentral.com  Mon May  3 21:07:06 2004
From: listmom at travellercentral.com (Listmom)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 12:07:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uuencoding
Message-ID: <BCBBE66A.E05C%listmom@travellercentral.com>

Help.

I need to prevent uuencoded files from getting sent out on my list.  How do
I do this?




From webolutionary at webolutionary.com  Mon May  3 22:51:14 2004
From: webolutionary at webolutionary.com (Sean Robertson)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 16:51:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?
Message-ID: <040501c43150$62c37d60$4001010a@cnfei.com>

I asked this question earlier, but I don't think I ever got a reply
(can't seem to find it at any rate).  The list I administrate is located
on another server, which I do not have SSH access to.  The problem,
however, is that I need some way to administer the list that can be
executed via a PHP script.  Is there any kind of email interface to
MailMan's admin functions?  I can very easily generate an email with
commands in it (already doing that to subscribe users), but I need
access to some admin functions as well.  Am I just SOL?

This is becoming a more urgent matter with each passing day, so any
assistance you could provide would be _greatly_ appreciated.  Thanks.



Sean Robertson
webolutionary at webolutionary.com
http://www.webolutionary.com
http://www.tidewater4dean.com

"You have the power to take back your country!"
    - Howard Dean - www.deanforamerica.com

"Great is the glory, for the strife is hard."
    - William Wordsworth

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that
you end up being governed by your inferiors."
    - Plato




From webolutionary at webolutionary.com  Mon May  3 22:57:41 2004
From: webolutionary at webolutionary.com (Sean Robertson)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 16:57:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B34CE5C@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <041101c43151$4884a0e0$4001010a@cnfei.com>

I need to be able to send the commands from a PHP script.  There is no
way that I know of to handle the login and execute commends on the HTML
pages from a PHP script.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Young, Darren" <Darren.Young at gsb.uchicago.edu>
To: "Sean Robertson" <webolutionary at webolutionary.com>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?


What about the mailman HTML interface that comes with? They have it
disabled?

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Sean Robertson
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 3:51 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?


I asked this question earlier, but I don't think I ever got a reply
(can't seem to find it at any rate).  The list I administrate is located
on another server, which I do not have SSH access to.  The problem,
however, is that I need some way to administer the list that can be
executed via a PHP script.  Is there any kind of email interface to
MailMan's admin functions?  I can very easily generate an email with
commands in it (already doing that to subscribe users), but I need
access to some admin functions as well.  Am I just SOL?

This is becoming a more urgent matter with each passing day, so any
assistance you could provide would be _greatly_ appreciated.  Thanks.



Sean Robertson
webolutionary at webolutionary.com
http://www.webolutionary.com
http://www.tidewater4dean.com

"You have the power to take back your country!"
    - Howard Dean - www.deanforamerica.com

"Great is the glory, for the strife is hard."
    - William Wordsworth

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that
you end up being governed by your inferiors."
    - Plato


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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May  3 22:57:39 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 22:57:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uuencoding
In-Reply-To: <BCBBE66A.E05C%listmom@travellercentral.com>
References: <BCBBE66A.E05C%listmom@travellercentral.com>
Message-ID: <p06002023bcbc5f319e88@[10.0.1.2]>

At 12:07 PM -0700 2004/05/03, Listmom wrote:

>  I need to prevent uuencoded files from getting sent out on my list.  How do
>  I do this?

	That's tough.  Uuencoded files aren't included in nice things 
like MIME encoding, or have obvious headers that you can match on.

	They might be caught by things like Anomy (see 
<http://freshmeat.net/projects/theanomymailsanitizer/>) or MIMEDefang 
(see <http://freshmeat.net/projects/mimedefanger/>), but I can't be 
sure.


	You may have to implement a custom mail filter that looks for 
things like Uuencoded attachments, and then delete them.  Tools like 
Anomy and MIMEDefang would probably be a good place to start.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From oehler at linuxtag.org  Mon May  3 23:03:41 2004
From: oehler at linuxtag.org (Martin Oehler)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:03:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with mailman migration
Message-ID: <20040503210341.GN4473@linuxtag.org>

Hi!

I run into problems migrating an old installation of mailman into
a current one.

I've got the old installation of mailman (2.0.13) residing at
/home/mailman.
The mails should be moved to /var/lib/mailman where I installed the
current package (2.1.4, debian testing/unstable).

I already tried the method explained in
 http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg11052.html
but the script described in this mail threw lots of errors and the
result didn't work. A newer method I found wasn't practicable because
the new mailman version doesn't provide a move_list script.

At the moment, I'm using the current binaries and config.db's
in /var/lib/mailman but the configurations point to /home/mailman
(where the archives grow). My setup is really messed up, I know. :(

Could someone point me in the right direction where to find
documentation for moving/upgrading my lists?

Thanks in advance,
Martin ?hler

-- 
http://www.linuxtag.org



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May  3 23:15:50 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:15:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?
In-Reply-To: <040501c43150$62c37d60$4001010a@cnfei.com>
References: <040501c43150$62c37d60$4001010a@cnfei.com>
Message-ID: <p06002024bcbc63afac20@[10.0.1.2]>

At 4:51 PM -0400 2004/05/03, Sean Robertson wrote:

>                              Is there any kind of email interface to
>  MailMan's admin functions?

	There is an e-mail interface, some of which is highlighted by the 
"List-" headers that Mailman puts on outgoing messages.  If you send 
the word "help" to the listname-request address, you should get back 
a document that describes everything.

>                              I can very easily generate an email with
>  commands in it (already doing that to subscribe users), but I need
>  access to some admin functions as well.  Am I just SOL?

	Beyond the above, I'm not aware of any other e-mail or PHP interface.

>  This is becoming a more urgent matter with each passing day, so any
>  assistance you could provide would be _greatly_ appreciated.  Thanks.

	I didn't say anything earlier because I didn't have much useful to say.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org  Mon May  3 23:18:12 2004
From: webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org (Jeff D)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:18:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?
In-Reply-To: <040501c43150$62c37d60$4001010a@cnfei.com>
References: <040501c43150$62c37d60$4001010a@cnfei.com>
Message-ID: <3785.161.114.64.73.1083619092.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>


What is wrong with the standard mailman admin web interface?
Does it not provide some functionality you need that is only available
from command line commands?

Sean Robertson said:
> I asked this question earlier, but I don't think I ever got a reply
> (can't seem to find it at any rate).  The list I administrate is located
> on another server, which I do not have SSH access to.  The problem,
> however, is that I need some way to administer the list that can be
> executed via a PHP script.  Is there any kind of email interface to
> MailMan's admin functions?  I can very easily generate an email with
> commands in it (already doing that to subscribe users), but I need
> access to some admin functions as well.  Am I just SOL?
>
> This is becoming a more urgent matter with each passing day, so any
> assistance you could provide would be _greatly_ appreciated.  Thanks.
>






From webolutionary at webolutionary.com  Mon May  3 23:19:07 2004
From: webolutionary at webolutionary.com (Sean Robertson)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:19:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?
References: <040501c43150$62c37d60$4001010a@cnfei.com>
	<p06002024bcbc63afac20@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <043a01c43154$47072140$4001010a@cnfei.com>

Tried that already, and all I get is the generic user functions; no
admin functions at all.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Knowles" <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
To: "Sean Robertson" <webolutionary at webolutionary.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?


> At 4:51 PM -0400 2004/05/03, Sean Robertson wrote:
>
> >                              Is there any kind of email interface to
> >  MailMan's admin functions?
>
> There is an e-mail interface, some of which is highlighted by the
> "List-" headers that Mailman puts on outgoing messages.  If you send
> the word "help" to the listname-request address, you should get back
> a document that describes everything.
>
> >                              I can very easily generate an email
with
> >  commands in it (already doing that to subscribe users), but I need
> >  access to some admin functions as well.  Am I just SOL?
>
> Beyond the above, I'm not aware of any other e-mail or PHP interface.
>
> >  This is becoming a more urgent matter with each passing day, so any
> >  assistance you could provide would be _greatly_ appreciated.
Thanks.
>
> I didn't say anything earlier because I didn't have much useful to
say.
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>
>




From crawford_jen at hotmail.com  Tue May  4 01:54:51 2004
From: crawford_jen at hotmail.com (Jen Crawford)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 11:54:51 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member receiving digests and individual mail
Message-ID: <BCBD350B.550%crawford_jen@hotmail.com>

Hi,

I've recently begun a list using Mailman. One of my members has complained
that she's being sent individual mail as well as digests, despite having
selected digests. She also says she's getting duplicates as well, though
she's selected 'no dupes'. I've checked her options and they're fine, so in
the meantime I've suggested she unsubscribe and resubscribe. Is there any
reason this could be happening?

Thanks, 
Jen




From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Tue May  4 02:03:58 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd Tennison)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:03:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?
Message-ID: <PC1670200405031703580950eafa2d90@main>

What version are you using?  There are several different HTML pages to manage Mailman. For instance, this list management info is at: http://mail.python.org/mailman/admin/mailman-users.  Yours should be in a similar place.

Look at the List- headrers for your own list and then select the admin page listed at the bottom of the Listinfo page.

Oh, there is a php script -but the new interface has pretty much outdated it.  If you cannot update your Mailman - the script is available at Sourceforge.net - check the Mailman section.


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>Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:15:50 +0200
>To: "Sean Robertson" <webolutionary at webolutionary.com>
>From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>X-Spam-Status: OK (lists-mailman 0.000)
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>
>At 4:51 PM -0400 2004/05/03, Sean Robertson wrote:
>
>>                              Is there any kind of email interface to
>>  MailMan's admin functions?
>
>	There is an e-mail interface, some of which is highlighted by the 
>"List-" headers that Mailman puts on outgoing messages.  If you send 
>the word "help" to the listname-request address, you should get back 
>a document that describes everything.
>
>>                              I can very easily generate an email with
>>  commands in it (already doing that to subscribe users), but I need
>>  access to some admin functions as well.  Am I just SOL?
>
>	Beyond the above, I'm not aware of any other e-mail or PHP interface.
>
>>  This is becoming a more urgent matter with each passing day, so any
>>  assistance you could provide would be _greatly_ appreciated.  Thanks.
>
>	I didn't say anything earlier because I didn't have much useful to say.
>
>-- 
>Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>
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>




From su at su2.info  Tue May  4 02:05:53 2004
From: su at su2.info (Stephan Uhlmann)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 02:05:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner lockup / mass moderation
Message-ID: <200405040205.53431.su@su2.info>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hello,

since a few days I have the following problem:

The qrunner locks up (strace output repeats and repeats as if the process is 
caught in an endless loop) and uses 100% of my CPU.
The lock-files are dated in the future (but I have a ntp synched clock).
The only qrunner log file (which is not dated in the future) keeps saying 
"Could not acquire qrunner lock".

What could be the problem?

I have two lists with a relatively large amount of messages in the moderation 
queue (800+ and 1100+). Maybe the queue runner needs more and more time to 
process these? The messages are all spam and can be thrown away, but I just 
can't delete them by the browser admin interface. This would take too much 
time. Is there another way to do such mass moderation?
I tried to move away the files in the data/ directory but then Mailman 
complains about missing them, so I guess I have to do it the "Mailman way" to 
keep everything consistent.
Maybe with the "withlist" tool?

In the archives I found this message:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-January/003419.html
but the link there points to the Mailman documentation which does not have 
such a script (anymore).

I run Mailman 2.0.13 and Python 2.1.1. Yes, I know this is a pretty old setup 
but I can't upgrade right now.


Cheers,
Stephan
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May  4 02:07:49 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 02:07:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member receiving digests and
 individual mail
In-Reply-To: <BCBD350B.550%crawford_jen@hotmail.com>
References: <BCBD350B.550%crawford_jen@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06002025bcbc8e8ab77f@[10.0.1.2]>

At 11:54 AM +1200 2004/05/04, Jen Crawford wrote:

>  I've recently begun a list using Mailman. One of my members has complained
>  that she's being sent individual mail as well as digests, despite having
>  selected digests. She also says she's getting duplicates as well, though
>  she's selected 'no dupes'. I've checked her options and they're fine, so in
>  the meantime I've suggested she unsubscribe and resubscribe. Is there any
>  reason this could be happening?

	What do your logs say?  Are you delivering duplicate copies of 
messages to her?

	Have you gotten her to send you complete samples of the 
duplicates, including all headers intact?  Comparing the headers is a 
good way to figure out where the duplication is occurring -- there 
might be a flaw in your mail server causing these problems (unlikely, 
as you'd probably have other users also complaining), or a flaw in 
her mail server.  Or maybe a flaw somewhere between.

	It could also be something as simple as people sending a copy of 
a reply to a message to the list, as well as a copy directly to her. 
So far as Mailman could tell, it hasn't sent her a copy of that 
message, so it would send her another one.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From webolutionary at webolutionary.com  Tue May  4 02:25:32 2004
From: webolutionary at webolutionary.com (Sean Robertson)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 20:25:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?
References: <PC1670200405031703580950eafa2d90@main>
Message-ID: <001b01c4316e$51e4a8c0$e7f5f6ce@WEBOLUTIONARY>

I do have that page, the problem is I don't know how to send the password to
it.  If you just pull that page up in a browser, you get a password page
first.

I will look and see what I can find on sourceforge, though.  Thanks.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lloyd Tennison" <lloyd_tennison at whoever.com>
To: <webolutionary at webolutionary.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?


> What version are you using?  There are several different HTML pages to
manage Mailman. For instance, this list management info is at:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/admin/mailman-users.  Yours should be in a
similar place.
>
> Look at the List- headrers for your own list and then select the admin
page listed at the bottom of the Listinfo page.
>
> Oh, there is a php script -but the new interface has pretty much outdated
it.  If you cannot update your Mailman - the script is available at
Sourceforge.net - check the Mailman section.
>
>
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> >Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:15:50 +0200
> >To: "Sean Robertson" <webolutionary at webolutionary.com>
> >From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
> >X-Spam-Status: OK (lists-mailman 0.000)
> >Cc: mailman-users at python.org
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<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
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> >
> >At 4:51 PM -0400 2004/05/03, Sean Robertson wrote:
> >
> >>                              Is there any kind of email interface to
> >>  MailMan's admin functions?
> >
> > There is an e-mail interface, some of which is highlighted by the
> >"List-" headers that Mailman puts on outgoing messages.  If you send
> >the word "help" to the listname-request address, you should get back
> >a document that describes everything.
> >
> >>                              I can very easily generate an email with
> >>  commands in it (already doing that to subscribe users), but I need
> >>  access to some admin functions as well.  Am I just SOL?
> >
> > Beyond the above, I'm not aware of any other e-mail or PHP interface.
> >
> >>  This is becoming a more urgent matter with each passing day, so any
> >>  assistance you could provide would be _greatly_ appreciated.  Thanks.
> >
> > I didn't say anything earlier because I didn't have much useful to say.
> >
> >-- 
> >Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> >
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> >safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Tue May  4 04:24:19 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 19:24:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounced log
In-Reply-To: <003201c430ca$45e9e520$2bceb8a1@mshome.net>
Message-ID: <40969C63.31095.1E710AA@localhost>

It is in a root access area.  You cannot get to it.  The bounces *should* 
be going through to you if you set the general option to send bounces 
to the list admin.

From:           	"Michel Buitendyk" <mibcons at telusplanet.net>
To:             	<mailman-users at python.org>
Date sent:      	Sun, 2 May 2004 22:51:08 -0600
Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] bounced log

> Hi,
> 
> A quick question.
> 
> My list are part of CPanel and so I have only limited access to some area's
> 
> Where can I find the log who's addresses are bouncing? Is there such a log?
> 
> Thanks a bunch!
> 
> Michel
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> 


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

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From johanesw at klikpdpi.com  Tue May  4 05:35:16 2004
From: johanesw at klikpdpi.com (Yohanes W)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:35:16 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attach banner on mailman
Message-ID: <000901c43188$da27a100$0100a8c0@jad4>

Hi there,
I'm a new user to this list. I use mailman on my website and I need to
place a banner at the bottom of every message. Any suggestions is
greatly appreciated. 

Regards,
Yohanes





From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Tue May  4 05:43:16 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd Tennison)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 20:43:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attach banner on mailman
Message-ID: <PC16702004050320431601495e74d9a5@main>

Use the footer option, or are you talking about an HTML banner?

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>
>Hi there,
>I'm a new user to this list. I use mailman on my website and I need to
>place a banner at the bottom of every message. Any suggestions is
>greatly appreciated. 
>
>Regards,
>Yohanes
>
>
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>




From nikos at qbit.gr  Tue May  4 08:32:48 2004
From: nikos at qbit.gr (nikos)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:32:48 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms error?
Message-ID: <005d01c431a1$a4708630$0400a8c0@nikos>

Hello list

This is my first try in mailman.
I run mailman-2.1-8 in a RH9 Linux with python-2.2.2-26.
Mailman installed automaticaly from redhat installer.

When I run check_perms in /var/mailman/bin/ directory the following message
shows. Is that problem and how can I solve it before continuing

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./check_perms", line 51, in ?
    MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam(MAILMAN_GROUP)[2]
KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found

I have run check_perms -f but i got the same error

Thank you





From stephen at xemacs.org  Tue May  4 09:24:59 2004
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 16:24:59 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner lockup / mass moderation
In-Reply-To: <200405040205.53431.su@su2.info> (Stephan Uhlmann's message of
	"Tue, 4 May 2004 02:05:53 +0200")
References: <200405040205.53431.su@su2.info>
Message-ID: <87k6zsejsk.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Stephan" == Stephan Uhlmann <su at su2.info> writes:

    Stephan> Is there another way to do such mass moderation?  I tried
    Stephan> to move away the files in the data/ directory but then
    Stephan> Mailman complains about missing them, so I guess I have
    Stephan> to do it the "Mailman way" to keep everything consistent.

I've seen this done a couple of times on a 2.0.13 installation with
nothing being the worse for wear.  Delete the spam messages, get the
page, which will still take a lot of time because Mailman looks for
them all and builds up a 1000-message long page, each of which says
"couldn't find the message file", pling any new spam that has come in
while you were fooling around, and Mailman will decide that all the
spam got thrown in a black hole, and reset itself.  I've actually lost
spam messages (once) because of a race with a co-moderator; odds are
it happens once a day somewhere on the planet, so I'm sure Mailman
knows how to deal.

Probably you'll get a better answer, and there's no rush, really.  But
if you _have_ to do that, I'm pretty sure it will work without harm to
anything except the spam.  :-)


-- 
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University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
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              ask what your business can "do for" free software.



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue May  4 10:06:04 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 04:06:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms error?
In-Reply-To: <005d01c431a1$a4708630$0400a8c0@nikos>
References: <005d01c431a1$a4708630$0400a8c0@nikos>
Message-ID: <20040504080604.GF17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

nikos wrote:
> I run mailman-2.1-8 in a RH9 Linux with python-2.2.2-26.

You should apply the redhat errata to your system.  The mailman
package shipped with redhat 9 was broken in several annoying ways.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
I used to think the brain was the most advanced part of the body.
Then I realized, look what's telling me that.
    -- Emo Phillips

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From nikos at qbit.gr  Tue May  4 10:54:22 2004
From: nikos at qbit.gr (nikos)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 11:54:22 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms error?
References: <005d01c431a1$a4708630$0400a8c0@nikos>
	<20040504080604.GF17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <001d01c431b5$6f68b070$0400a8c0@nikos>

Unfortunatelly there is nothing in RH errata
Any suggestions?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd" <Freedom_Lover at pobox.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] check_perms error?


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> 
> nikos wrote:
> > I run mailman-2.1-8 in a RH9 Linux with python-2.2.2-26.
> 
> You should apply the redhat errata to your system.  The mailman
> package shipped with redhat 9 was broken in several annoying ways.
> 
> - -- 
> Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
> ======================================================================
> I used to think the brain was the most advanced part of the body.
> Then I realized, look what's telling me that.
>     -- Emo Phillips
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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue May  4 11:17:06 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 05:17:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms error?
In-Reply-To: <001d01c431b5$6f68b070$0400a8c0@nikos>
References: <005d01c431a1$a4708630$0400a8c0@nikos>
	<20040504080604.GF17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	<001d01c431b5$6f68b070$0400a8c0@nikos>
Message-ID: <20040504091706.GG17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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nikos wrote:
> Unfortunatelly there is nothing in RH errata
> Any suggestions?

Look again? :)

https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2004-020.html

- -- 
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======================================================================
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you realize it was your money to start with.

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From crawford_jen at hotmail.com  Tue May  4 12:18:48 2004
From: crawford_jen at hotmail.com (Jen Crawford)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 22:18:48 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member receiving digests and individual mail
In-Reply-To: <p06002025bcbc8e8ab77f@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <BCBDC748.563%crawford_jen@hotmail.com>

Thanks for the starting points.

On 5/4/04 12:07 PM, "Brad Knowles" <brad.knowles at skynet.be> wrote:

> At 11:54 AM +1200 2004/05/04, Jen Crawford wrote:
> 
>>  I've recently begun a list using Mailman. One of my members has complained
>>  that she's being sent individual mail as well as digests, despite having
>>  selected digests. She also says she's getting duplicates as well, though
>>  she's selected 'no dupes'. I've checked her options and they're fine, so in
>>  the meantime I've suggested she unsubscribe and resubscribe. Is there any
>>  reason this could be happening?
> 
> What do your logs say?  Are you delivering duplicate copies of
> messages to her?
> 
> Have you gotten her to send you complete samples of the
> duplicates, including all headers intact?  Comparing the headers is a
> good way to figure out where the duplication is occurring -- there
> might be a flaw in your mail server causing these problems (unlikely,
> as you'd probably have other users also complaining), or a flaw in
> her mail server.  Or maybe a flaw somewhere between.
> 
> It could also be something as simple as people sending a copy of
> a reply to a message to the list, as well as a copy directly to her.
> So far as Mailman could tell, it hasn't sent her a copy of that
> message, so it would send her another one.




From maillists at conactive.com  Tue May  4 14:32:04 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 14:32:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with mailman migration
In-Reply-To: <20040503210341.GN4473@linuxtag.org>
References: <20040503210341.GN4473@linuxtag.org>
Message-ID: <VA.000018a2.0a80c512@virtual-access.org>

Martin Oehler wrote on Mon, 3 May 2004 23:03:41 +0200:

> Could someone point me in the right direction where to find
> documentation for moving/upgrading my lists?
>

There isn't much to do when you want to move/upgrade lists. I upgraded 
from the standard mailman which came with my Suse distribution (residing 
in /var/lib/mailman or /usr/lib/mailman) and also was something like 2.0.x 
by just installing 2.0.14 to /usr/local/mailman and then moving over the 
content of the lists directory if I recall it right. I fiddled a bit 
around in the mm_cfg.py and I think I replaced all aliases. There's also a 
start script for starting the seven (or so) runner programs and you have 
to change that, too, if you change the installation path. In Suse systems 
this is a rcmailman symlink pointing at /etc/init.d/mailman. So I simply 
replaced that with a symlink to the new mailmanctl file in the new 
location. You can also copy that file over the old one at /etc/init.d, so 
that it starts correctly after a reboot.
I then moved the list to another machine almost the same way, I only had 
to do some extra steps using the withlist command for correcting the url 
and mail hosts. (I also clone my lists this way.) The mailman lists are 
almost completely building upon their own information, so even if you 
don't change anything you get some results, f.i. the web interface will 
work but all the links in it will point to the old location. It's then 
very easy to resolve this step by step. If I understand you correctly, you 
didn't change the host, so it should even be easier.


Kai

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From gabor at z10n.net  Tue May  4 14:41:50 2004
From: gabor at z10n.net (gabor)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 14:41:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] dynamic subject line
Message-ID: <1083674510.13066.31.camel@dubb>

hi,

is there a way to adjust the subject line dynamically...

what i'd like to do:

when mailman gets a mail for a given mailing list,
it checks the subject line, and if it's "#",
then replaces it with "#<current-week>"...

that means it replaces it with something like "#`date +%W`".

is there a way to do this?

gabor




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Tue May  4 14:46:28 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 21:46:28 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?
In-Reply-To: <041101c43151$4884a0e0$4001010a@cnfei.com>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B34CE5C@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<041101c43151$4884a0e0$4001010a@cnfei.com>
Message-ID: <409790A4.4090307@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

Sean Robertson wrote:

> I need to be able to send the commands from a PHP script.  There is no
> way that I know of to handle the login and execute commends on the HTML
> pages from a PHP script.
> 

I you can exec GNU wget from your PHP script, then this command might be 
a hint.

$ wget -O /dev/null \
"http://server/mailman/admin/list?adminpw=passwd&description=New+Desc"

Have fun.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From oehler at linuxtag.org  Tue May  4 16:31:15 2004
From: oehler at linuxtag.org (Martin Oehler)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:31:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with mailman migration
In-Reply-To: <VA.000018a2.0a80c512@virtual-access.org>
References: <20040503210341.GN4473@linuxtag.org>
	<VA.000018a2.0a80c512@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <20040504143115.GA1477@linuxtag.org>

Hi!

On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 02:32:04PM +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> Martin Oehler wrote on Mon, 3 May 2004 23:03:41 +0200:
> 
> > Could someone point me in the right direction where to find
> > documentation for moving/upgrading my lists?
> >
> 
> There isn't much to do when you want to move/upgrade lists. I upgraded 
> from the standard mailman which came with my Suse distribution (residing 
> in /var/lib/mailman or /usr/lib/mailman) and also was something like 2.0.x 
> by just installing 2.0.14 to /usr/local/mailman and then moving over the 
> content of the lists directory if I recall it right. I fiddled a bit 
> around in the mm_cfg.py and I think I replaced all aliases. There's also a 
> start script for starting the seven (or so) runner programs and you have 
> to change that, too, if you change the installation path. In Suse systems 
> this is a rcmailman symlink pointing at /etc/init.d/mailman. So I simply 
> replaced that with a symlink to the new mailmanctl file in the new 
> location. You can also copy that file over the old one at /etc/init.d, so 
> that it starts correctly after a reboot.
> I then moved the list to another machine almost the same way, I only had 
> to do some extra steps using the withlist command for correcting the url 
> and mail hosts. (I also clone my lists this way.) The mailman lists are 
> almost completely building upon their own information, so even if you 
> don't change anything you get some results, f.i. the web interface will 
> work but all the links in it will point to the old location. It's then 
> very easy to resolve this step by step. If I understand you correctly, you 
> didn't change the host, so it should even be easier.

Thanks for your migration guide, I'll try this and report whether
I was successful.

Regards,
Martin ?hler

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http://www.linuxtag.org



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue May  4 16:56:47 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:56:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrate list via HTML?
In-Reply-To: <041101c43151$4884a0e0$4001010a@cnfei.com>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B34CE5C@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<041101c43151$4884a0e0$4001010a@cnfei.com>
Message-ID: <443CD280-9DDB-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 3 May 2004, at 21:57, Sean Robertson wrote:

> I need to be able to send the commands from a PHP script.  There is no
> way that I know of to handle the login and execute commends on the HTML
> pages from a PHP script.

If you are absolutely bound and determined to use PHP for doing your 
list admin via the Mailman admin web GUI and the standard Mailman web 
GUI cannot meet your needs then you can drive the standard Mailman 
admin GUI by screen scraping. You could certainly do it with Python and 
I see no in-principle reason why you cannot do it with PHP. A quick web 
search threw up the CURL client support library for use with PHP which, 
at first glance, looks like it may be man enough for the job:

http://ca.php.net/manual/en/ref.curl.php

Mailman's web GUI uses cookie authentication and your code has to 
understand how to do that but it is not rocket science.

The main issue is being able to extract Set-cookie: headers from 
responses and add Cookie: headers to requests.

As an example, the crude Python code fragment below will login to a 
Mailman web GUI and extract a list's basic membership admin HTML page.

But be aware of how vulnerable your PHP code is going to be to changes 
in the Mailman interface, even if it is extremely well thought out. But 
this is true of all screen scrapers.

Python code fragment follows
----------------------------

import httplib
import urllib
# hardwired list admin password - awful security
parms = urllib.urlencode({'adminpw': 'yourpassword', 'admlogin': 'Let 
me in...'})
hdrs = {"Content-type": "application/x-www-form-urlencoded", "Accept": 
"text/html"}
conn =  httplib.HTTPConnection('server.yourdomain.com:80')
# This request should 'log us in' and get Mailman to return the 
authentication
# cookie with the list's general options page
conn.request('POST', '/mailman/admin/listname', parms, hdrs)
resp = conn.getresponse()
print resp.status, resp.reason # should be 200 and OK
data = resp.read()
# data now contains the HTML of the list's General options page
conn.close()
# Get the cookie set by Mailman
scookie = resp.getheader('set-cookie')
# Extract the cookie value to return with next request
cookie = scookie.split(';')[0].strip()
nhdrs = {"Accept": "text/html", 'Cookie': cookie}
conn =  httplib.HTTPConnection('server.yourdomain.com:80')
# Now get the Membership list page for the list
conn.request('GET', '/mailman/admin/listname/members', None, nhdrs)
resp = conn.getresponse()
print resp.status, resp.reason # should be 200 and OK
data = resp.read()
# data now contains the HTML of the list's Membership List page
conn.close()
...
and so on
...





From su at su2.info  Tue May  4 17:13:53 2004
From: su at su2.info (Stephan Uhlmann)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 17:13:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner lockup / mass moderation (solved)
In-Reply-To: <200405040205.53431.su@su2.info>
References: <200405040205.53431.su@su2.info>
Message-ID: <200405041713.53104.su@su2.info>

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Just as a followup to my post explaining how I solved the problem.

The lockup didn't have something to do with the overfull moderation queue.

There was a 8 MB big file in the qfiles/ directory. The size was not that 
unusual and Mailman normally has no problems dealing with that, but it had 
the following strange content:

>>>> This is an automated response.
**** Command 'this' not recognized.
>>>>
>>>> There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
**** Command 'there' not recognized.
>>>> the administrative address
**** Command 'the' not recognized.
>>>> <list-request at someserver.tld>.
**** Command '<list-request at someserver.tld>.' not recognized.
>>>>
>>>> To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to
**** Command 'to' not recognized.
>>>> <list-request at someserver.tld> with the word
**** Command '<list-request at someserver.tld>' not recognized.
>>>> "help" in the subject line or in the body of the message.
**** Command '"help"' not recognized.

... and so on and so on.
(email address of the list removed to protect the innocent and avoiding spam).
This was a reply from a wronggoing majordomo to a mailman request address. I 
guess Mailman had problems with all these special characters and commands and 
locked up while parsing everything.

I removed the qfile and everything was running smooth again.
If somebody wants the file for debugging purposes, just email me in private 
and I can send it to you.


Anyway. While searching through the web I also found a solution to the mass 
moderation problem via "withlist".
Stephen J. Turnbull suggested to just delete the files in the data/ directory, 
then start the mailman web interface again and mailman will reinitialize 
everything. This will probably work too, but the follwing  seems to be a more 
elegant way:

As user mailman execute:

python -i bin/withlist listname

Then type:

m.Lock()
from Mailman import mm_cfg
h = m.GetHeldMessageIds()
for i in h: m.HandleRequest(i,mm_cfg.DISCARD)
<return>
m.Save()
<ctrl-d>

I found it here: 
http://mm.tkikuchi.net/pipermail/mmjp-users/2001-November/000154.html
It's in japanese but even without understanding the mail, the script a good 
hint.
There is even a python script which deletes all mails older than x days from 
the queue (or that's what I think what it does). I didn't try it yet, but it 
seems to be a nice way to get rid of all the spam in moderation queues via an 
automatic cronjob.

Cheers,
Stephan
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From jelly+mailman-users-via-gmane at srk.fer.hr  Tue May  4 13:39:47 2004
From: jelly+mailman-users-via-gmane at srk.fer.hr (Zoran Dzelajlija)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:39:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turning off options in GUI [Re: Announce Only]
References: <alm.20040416010934.18588@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0404161026250.154293-100000@web2.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <20040504113947.5C75.7.NOFFLE@islands.iskon.hr>

Paul Reilly <pareilly at tcd.ie> wrote:
> If the feature doesn't work for me via the
> web, then I'd like the option of turning it off.

This idea could be expanded to an novice/advanced view of the options, where
the advanced would show all of the options and categories and the novice
view would show only some.  The site admin could tweak what is visible in
the 'novice' view, add more arbitrary views and the initial default.  The
list admins might be able to select their preferred view (if the site admin
let them), and the list moderators might get only the options that apply
to them.

On top of this, more complex options might be created that combine changing
several list attributes, so you could show your list owners a simple
"open/closed" option which would actually change more than one thing under
the hood.

Zoran




From nikos at qbit.gr  Tue May  4 18:37:48 2004
From: nikos at qbit.gr (nikos)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 19:37:48 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms error?
References: <005d01c431a1$a4708630$0400a8c0@nikos><20040504080604.GF17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org><001d01c431b5$6f68b070$0400a8c0@nikos>
	<20040504091706.GG17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <001401c431f6$22fb58f0$0400a8c0@nikos>

I've install mailman-2.1.1-5.i386.rpm version and it seems to work fine
Thank you any way!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd" <Freedom_Lover at pobox.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] check_perms error?


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> nikos wrote:
> > Unfortunatelly there is nothing in RH errata
> > Any suggestions?
> 
> Look again? :)
> 
> https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2004-020.html
> 
> - -- 
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From cparrish at carlparrish.com  Tue May  4 09:16:59 2004
From: cparrish at carlparrish.com (Carl Parrish)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 00:16:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members
Message-ID: <4097436B.3060501@carlparrish.com>

Info
I'm running mailman 2.1.4
I installed from source.
I'm running it on SUSE 8.2 (x86_64)
MTA is qmail

After a *very* long time I'm just about done running it all except my 
messages don't seem to be sent out. qmails ' log shows them as being 
successfull.
When I run qrunner from the command line I get this.
mailman at h06db:/usr/local/mailman/bin> /usr/bin/python -S ./qrunner -r 
Outgoing
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./qrunner", line 270, in ?
    main()
  File "./qrunner", line 230, in main
    qrunner.run()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 65, in run
    filecnt = self._oneloop()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 93, in _oneloop
    msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 156, in 
dequeue
    data = self._ext_read(dbfile)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 262, in 
_ext_read
    dict = marshal.load(fp)

Please help. I'm just about ready to pull out my hair. Can anyone tell 
me what this means?

-- 
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http://www.carlparrish.com
--
Registered Linux User #295761 http://counter.li.org




From nikos at qbit.gr  Tue May  4 18:47:19 2004
From: nikos at qbit.gr (nikos)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 19:47:19 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] alias problem
Message-ID: <001e01c431f7$770cd7b0$0400a8c0@nikos>

I create a list and it seems to work fine, exept that all mail from users
going only to root user.
I believe it is an alias problem. Can somebody help me please?

#alias
my-list: postmaster
my-list-owner: mailman
my-list-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin my-list"
my-list-bounces: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces my-list"
my-list-confirm: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm my-list"
my-list-join: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join my-list"
my-list-leave: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave my-list"
my-list-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request my-list"
my-list-subscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe my-list"
my-list-unsubscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe my-list"


mailman-2.1.1-5.i386 on RH9 linux with python-2.2.2-26

Thanx





From mailman-users at think.co.za  Tue May  4 18:53:48 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs)
Date: Tue,  4 May 2004 18:53:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] alias problem
In-Reply-To: <001e01c431f7$770cd7b0$0400a8c0@nikos>
References: <001e01c431f7$770cd7b0$0400a8c0@nikos>
Message-ID: <1083689628.4097ca9cb8896@email.think.co.za>

Sure dude.

The problem is in the first line of your alias file.

Should read...

my-list: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post my-list"

-- 
Regards
Hilton


Quoting nikos <nikos at qbit.gr>:

> I create a list and it seems to work fine, exept that all mail from users
> going only to root user.
> I believe it is an alias problem. Can somebody help me please?
> 
> #alias
> my-list: postmaster
> my-list-owner: mailman
> my-list-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin my-list"
> my-list-bounces: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces my-list"
> my-list-confirm: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm my-list"
> my-list-join: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join my-list"
> my-list-leave: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave my-list"
> my-list-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request my-list"
> my-list-subscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe my-list"
> my-list-unsubscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe my-list"
>



From breoc2003 at hotmail.com  Tue May  4 20:09:24 2004
From: breoc2003 at hotmail.com (Brian O'Connor)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 13:09:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird domain action
Message-ID: <Sea2-F18FTS0aWrz4eP00012f50@hotmail.com>

We have a web and mail server set up with the domain name osdlc.org.  We are 
also trying to set up a mail list, but the server keeps adding "www." to our 
mail list address.

For example, i want to set up a mail list entitled "ayp4sdoiep at osdlc.org," 
but the list comes out with the address, "ayp4sdoiep at www.osdlc.org."  I have 
two questions:

How do I get that "www" off the list address?

If that can not be done:  how can I alter my DNS to account for the "www" 
that is added?

Thanks in advance.

_________________________________________________________________
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From cparrish at carlparrish.com  Tue May  4 20:32:32 2004
From: cparrish at carlparrish.com (Carl Parrish)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 11:32:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] request.db files
Message-ID: <4097E1C0.6050700@carlparrish.com>

Okay while trying to find out was was wrong with my mailman server late 
at night I noticed that only two of my lists  has a request.db file in 
it. In a move that I can only attribute to it being late/early morning, 
I then deleted the request.db in both lists that had them. (without 
backups). So now I'm trying to recreate them. how do I do that?

-- 
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From vasil at cs.utk.edu  Tue May  4 21:46:34 2004
From: vasil at cs.utk.edu (David Vasil)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:46:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header.py, UnicodeDecodeError, and shunting
Message-ID: <20040504194633.GA16753@cs.utk.edu>

Software versions:
Python 2.3.3
Mailman 2.1.4

After reading through the archives and applying the Scrubber.py
patch from:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=891491&group_id=103&atid=300103

I still have UnicodeDecodeErrors within Header.py:
---
May 04 14:49:11 2004 (6090) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xb0 in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)
May 04 14:49:11 2004 (6090) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 223, in _dispose
    res = Results(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 77, in __init__
    subj = make_header(decode_header(subj)).__unicode__()
  File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 144, in make_header
    h.append(s, charset)
  File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 272, in append
    ustr = unicode(s, incodec, errors)
	UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xb0 in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)

May 04 14:49:11 2004 (6090) SHUNTING: 1083696551.06902+686403e653920540ba0135ba554ffa089554d286
May 04 14:59:10 2004 (6090) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xb9 in position 26: ordinal not in range(128)
May 04 14:59:10 2004 (6090) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 223, in _dispose
    res = Results(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 77, in __init__
    subj = make_header(decode_header(subj)).__unicode__()
  File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 144, in make_header
    h.append(s, charset)
  File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 272, in append
    ustr = unicode(s, incodec, errors)
	UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xb9 in position 26: ordinal not in range(128)

May 04 14:59:10 2004 (6090) SHUNTING: 1083697150.3277359+511cb73c182e4a71854cf110a1ae50187c4c9b7a
---

According to the python traceback in mailman/logs/error it looks as though
it is failing while trying to decode the subject line of the message.  Upon
further inspection of the guilty messages the subject lines do indeed appear
to contain characters that could not be decoded (SpamAssassin gave the messages
high spam-levels as well as failing with test SUBJ_ILLEGAL_CHARS among others).

Is there a patch which handles this problem in Header.py?  I do not wish to
have legitimate email shunted if I can avoid it.

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| University of Tennessee             Computer Science Dept. |
| UTKCS Systems Administrator                   865-974-8364 |
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From maillists at conactive.com  Tue May  4 22:31:40 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 22:31:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
In-Reply-To: <77595E97-9A2D-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
References: <BCB6686D.118EC5%lists@lastonepicked.com>
	<VA.00001897.020bcb68@virtual-access.org>
	<20040429173903.GA31455@allhats.xcski.com>
	<VA.00001899.02afece5@virtual-access.org>
	<77595E97-9A2D-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <VA.000018a8.0c38f4f7@virtual-access.org>

Richard Barrett wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:35:07 +0100:

> Do I hear a volunteer. Sounds like someone about to break out the text 
> editor and demonstrate what open software is all about.
>

Not me. I'm really not interested in HTML in email in any form :-)


Kai

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From edg at greenberg.org  Wed May  5 00:33:16 2004
From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 15:33:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird domain action
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F18FTS0aWrz4eP00012f50@hotmail.com>
References: <Sea2-F18FTS0aWrz4eP00012f50@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <85892859.1083684796@roadrunner.palm1.palmone.com>

Check your configuration, on the "General" page. Down toward the bottom 
you'll find "Domain this list prefers for email."  Make sure that doesn't 
have www in it.

</edg>

--On Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:09 PM -0500 Brian O'Connor 
<breoc2003 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> We have a web and mail server set up with the domain name osdlc.org.  We
> are also trying to set up a mail list, but the server keeps adding "www."
> to our mail list address.
>
> For example, i want to set up a mail list entitled
> "ayp4sdoiep at osdlc.org," but the list comes out with the address,
> "ayp4sdoiep at www.osdlc.org."  I have two questions:
>
> How do I get that "www" off the list address?
>
> If that can not be done:  how can I alter my DNS to account for the "www"
> that is added?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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From steve at bgeek.com  Wed May  5 03:54:04 2004
From: steve at bgeek.com (Steve Schofield)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 21:54:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper doesn't exist
Message-ID: <00bf01c43243$d85763e0$6800a8c0@totalbeta.com>

I installed mailman, trying to use Qmail as the MTA.  The only thing that
baffles me so far is the wrapper program doesn't exist in the
/usr/local/mailman/mail/ directory.  Where would I find documentation on
this?  I'm able to create lists, send notifcations to users but can't send
messages to the newly created lists.  It shouts something about a program
called wrapper.
Any advice on this?

*  ----------------------------------------- *
*  Steve Schofield
*  steve at deviq.com
*  ----------------------------------------- *




From walter.mauritz at wu-wien.ac.at  Wed May  5 03:58:18 2004
From: walter.mauritz at wu-wien.ac.at (walter.mauritz at wu-wien.ac.at)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 03:58:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] on mailing to my list: user (=listname) unknown;
	(sendmail-mailman config error?)
Message-ID: <4098665A.30281.236BD44@localhost>

Hi,

I have installed 
- mailman
- apache
- sendmail

Successfully created a list, got a confirmation eMail from list. But on mailing to the list listname = "mylist", I get the following error:

<mylist at smesrv.sme-union.org>:
217.136.223.232_does_not_like_recipient./Remote_host_said:_550_5.1.1_<mylist at smesrv.s
me-union.org>..._User_unknown/Giving_up_on_217.136.223.232./

It seems to me like the mail delivery agent tries to put the mail to the correct user "mylist", 
who doesn't exist. So what can I do that mailman recognizes its for him.

Further information:
- smesrv.sme-union.org = 217.136.223.232

- On Configuration I followed the INSTALL and the README, being included in the mailman 
distribution.

- Furthermore in sendmail, /etc/mail/access there is no "discard" ... which could falsly 
generate that 550 error message

- mm_cfg.py:
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'smesrv.sme-union.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'smesrv.sme-union.org'
add_virtualhost('smesrv.sme-union.org','smesrv.sme-union.org')

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Is there any further information about the system which 
I should provide?

Regards

Walter



From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Wed May  5 06:45:28 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 06:45:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] on mailing to my list: user (=listname) unknown;
	(sendmail-mailman config error?)
References: <4098665A.30281.236BD44@localhost>
Message-ID: <alm.20040505064531.19296@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

walter.mauritz at wu-wien.ac.at schrieb:

> Successfully created a list, got a confirmation eMail from list. But on mailing to the list listname = "mylist", I get the following error:
>
> <mylist at smesrv.sme-union.org>:
> 217.136.223.232_does_not_like_recipient./Remote_host_said:_550_5.1.1_<mylist at smesrv.s
> me-union.org>..._User_unknown/Giving_up_on_217.136.223.232./

You *did* create an alias file for sendmail (or modify the existing,
that is)?

-thh




From b-bowers at cox.net  Wed May  5 10:28:59 2004
From: b-bowers at cox.net (Bob Bowers)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 01:28:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	Mail Lists, Authorized Posters and Virus/Worm Access
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040505011923.01f2d828@pop.west.cox.net>

In my community last week, someone gained access to a mail list with 
hundreds of subscribers by mimicking an email address authorized to post to 
the list (moderation bit set OFF). In such a case, moderator approval was 
not required. What resulted was that a worm of the W32Beagle variety was 
sent to many hundreds of subscribers. I have changed all my mail lists to 
require active moderation of all posts (moderation bits are ON for all 
subscribers), and automatic rejection of all posts from non-members.

It appears that it was just a matter of time for someone with ill intent to 
figure out that the "from" address in a message from a mail list might 
represent access to the mail list for mischief. It would not appear 
accidental that a virus or worm operating on some unsuspecting individual's 
computer accidentally sent itself to the posting address of a mail list as 
well as from an authorized email address. It is more likely that it was 
deliberate.





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed May  5 11:37:21 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:37:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Mail Lists,
	Authorized Posters and Virus/Worm Access
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040505011923.01f2d828@pop.west.cox.net>
References: <6.0.0.22.2.20040505011923.01f2d828@pop.west.cox.net>
Message-ID: <CE96CC72-9E77-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 5 May 2004, at 09:28, Bob Bowers wrote:

> In my community last week, someone gained access to a mail list with 
> hundreds of subscribers by mimicking an email address authorized to 
> post to the list (moderation bit set OFF). In such a case, moderator 
> approval was not required. What resulted was that a worm of the 
> W32Beagle variety was sent to many hundreds of subscribers. I have 
> changed all my mail lists to require active moderation of all posts 
> (moderation bits are ON for all subscribers), and automatic rejection 
> of all posts from non-members.
>
> It appears that it was just a matter of time for someone with ill 
> intent to figure out that the "from" address in a message from a mail 
> list might represent access to the mail list for mischief. It would 
> not appear accidental that a virus or worm operating on some 
> unsuspecting individual's computer accidentally sent itself to the 
> posting address of a mail list as well as from an authorized email 
> address. It is more likely that it was deliberate.

I doubt that the virus writer was targeting mailing lists in this 
considered fashion; to them, a mail alias is just a mail alias.

I understand these virus types use the MUA address book on machines it 
infects as a source of mail address to send its progeny on to. One of 
your list's subscribers was probably the source of the infected message 
and your list's address just one of a number pillaged from that user's 
address book as destinations by a promiscuous virus.

In my view, running effective virus (and spam) filtering on your 
incoming MTA is the secret of happiness. It keeps viruses away from 
your both your lists' and your real users' mail aliases, and it means 
you do not have to moderate everything if the virus loaded messages are 
being silently dropped in the bit bucket by the MTA.




From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Wed May  5 11:46:40 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd Tennison)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 02:46:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Mail Lists,
	Authorized Posters and Virus/Worm Access
Message-ID: <PC16702004050502464007903005d69e@main>

Set the mm_cfg.py and see Default.py for this info:


# The envelope sender is set by the SMTP delivery and is thus less easily
# spoofed than the sender, which is typically just taken from the From: header
# and thus easily spoofed by the end-user.  However, sometimes the envelope
# sender isn't set correctly and this will manifest itself by postings being
# held for approval even if they appear to come from a list member.  If you
# are having this problem, set this variable to No, but understand that some
# spoofed messages may get through.
USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = No         MAKE YES!


This will help block some of your problem - unauthorized posts.  The virus checker still goes.




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>On 5 May 2004, at 09:28, Bob Bowers wrote:
>
>> In my community last week, someone gained access to a mail list with 
>> hundreds of subscribers by mimicking an email address authorized to 
>> post to the list (moderation bit set OFF). In such a case, moderator 
>> approval was not required. What resulted was that a worm of the 
>> W32Beagle variety was sent to many hundreds of subscribers. I have 
>> changed all my mail lists to require active moderation of all posts 
>> (moderation bits are ON for all subscribers), and automatic rejection 
>> of all posts from non-members.
>>
>> It appears that it was just a matter of time for someone with ill 
>> intent to figure out that the "from" address in a message from a mail 
>> list might represent access to the mail list for mischief. It would 
>> not appear accidental that a virus or worm operating on some 
>> unsuspecting individual's computer accidentally sent itself to the 
>> posting address of a mail list as well as from an authorized email 
>> address. It is more likely that it was deliberate.
>
>I doubt that the virus writer was targeting mailing lists in this 
>considered fashion; to them, a mail alias is just a mail alias.
>
>I understand these virus types use the MUA address book on machines it 
>infects as a source of mail address to send its progeny on to. One of 
>your list's subscribers was probably the source of the infected message 
>and your list's address just one of a number pillaged from that user's 
>address book as destinations by a promiscuous virus.
>
>In my view, running effective virus (and spam) filtering on your 
>incoming MTA is the secret of happiness. It keeps viruses away from 
>your both your lists' and your real users' mail aliases, and it means 
>you do not have to moderate everything if the virus loaded messages are 
>being silently dropped in the bit bucket by the MTA.
>
>
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>




From maillists at conactive.com  Wed May  5 12:31:30 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 12:31:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users]
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040505011923.01f2d828@pop.west.cox.net>
References: <6.0.0.22.2.20040505011923.01f2d828@pop.west.cox.net>
Message-ID: <VA.000018a9.008a5d5c@virtual-access.org>

Bob Bowers wrote on Wed, 05 May 2004 01:28:59 -0700:

> In my community last week, someone gained access to a mail list with 
> hundreds of subscribers by mimicking an email address authorized to post to 
> the list (moderation bit set OFF). In such a case, moderator approval was 
> not required.
>

You want to say that someone forged a member email address and posted to the 
list and it got distributed to the list? There's no "mimicking". You simply 
subscribe to the list and collect addresses. Or the virus just grabs from what 
is on the PC and sends to the list with a member's address found in the same 
mail. Viruses often grab sender and recipient of an email and send two 
"cross-over" mails to both of them. That happens to all open mailing lists. 
You can avoid it by virus scanning the list or stripping all (executable) 
attachments.


Kai

-- 

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From walter.mauritz at wu-wien.ac.at  Wed May  5 15:58:59 2004
From: walter.mauritz at wu-wien.ac.at (walter.mauritz at wu-wien.ac.at)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 15:58:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail to my list -> mta result: user unknown
Message-ID: <40990F43.20310.FD5881@localhost>

Hi,

On sending a eMail to my mailing-list I get the following error.

(from "tail -F -n 30 /var/log/maillog")
May  5 15:44:03 smesrv sendmail[24051]: i45Di3D5024051: <mylist at smesrv.sme-
union.org>... User unknown
May  5 15:44:03 smesrv sendmail[24051]: i45Di3D5024051: from=<waltermauritz at gmx.at>, 
size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]

-> mylist at smesrv.sme-union.org --- user unknown

I have set up
- mailman 
- with sendmail
- on redhat

I have sticked to the manual of the distribution
1) INSTALL
2) README
3) README.SENDMAIL

I use a "mailertable"
smesrv.sme-union.org    mailman:smesrv.sme-union.org

... which should put all mails not known (like "mylist" isnt a system user) to the Mail Delivery 
Agent, defined in sendmail.mc:

#snip from /etc/mail/sendmail.mc
Mmailman, P=/etc/mail/mm-handler, F=rDFMhlqSu, U=mailman:mailman,
  S=EnvFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL,
  A=mm-handler $h $u
#end

- mailertable has been done in db
- sendmail.mc done to .fc
- /etc/mail/mm-handler is executable to all

But for some reason this does NOT WORK. --- user unknown

What am I doing wrong?

btw here my "mm_cfg.py"
#########CODE 
from Defaults import *

IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'smesrv.sme-union.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'smesrv.sme-union.org'

add_virtualhost('smesrv.sme-union.org','smesrv.sme-union.org')
##########

Questions to you:
1) Do you know what I have done wrong?
2) Or can you tell me how to set up the aliases manually? (Where does "mylist at smesrv.sme-
union.org" has to point in virtuser..

Thanks for any help

Regards

Walter


From mailman-users at think.co.za  Wed May  5 16:03:31 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs)
Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 16:03:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail to my list -> mta result: user unknown
In-Reply-To: <40990F43.20310.FD5881@localhost>
References: <40990F43.20310.FD5881@localhost>
Message-ID: <1083765811.4098f43328846@email.think.co.za>

You need to do all this in the aliases table.
-- 
Regards
Hilton


Quoting walter.mauritz at wu-wien.ac.at:

> On sending a eMail to my mailing-list I get the following error.
> 
> (from "tail -F -n 30 /var/log/maillog")
> May  5 15:44:03 smesrv sendmail[24051]: i45Di3D5024051: <mylist at smesrv.sme-
> union.org>... User unknown
> May  5 15:44:03 smesrv sendmail[24051]: i45Di3D5024051:
> from=<waltermauritz at gmx.at>, 
> size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=pop.gmx.net
> [213.165.64.20]
> 
> -> mylist at smesrv.sme-union.org --- user unknown
> 
> I have set up
> - mailman 
> - with sendmail
> - on redhat
> 
> I have sticked to the manual of the distribution
> 1) INSTALL
> 2) README
> 3) README.SENDMAIL
> 
> I use a "mailertable"
> smesrv.sme-union.org    mailman:smesrv.sme-union.org
> 
> ... which should put all mails not known (like "mylist" isnt a system user)
> to the Mail Delivery 
> Agent, defined in sendmail.mc:
> 
> #snip from /etc/mail/sendmail.mc
> Mmailman, P=/etc/mail/mm-handler, F=rDFMhlqSu, U=mailman:mailman,
>   S=EnvFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL,
>   A=mm-handler $h $u
> #end
> 
> - mailertable has been done in db
> - sendmail.mc done to .fc
> - /etc/mail/mm-handler is executable to all
> 
> But for some reason this does NOT WORK. --- user unknown
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> btw here my "mm_cfg.py"
> #########CODE 
> from Defaults import *
> 
> IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'
> 
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'smesrv.sme-union.org'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'smesrv.sme-union.org'
> 
> add_virtualhost('smesrv.sme-union.org','smesrv.sme-union.org')
> ##########
> 
> Questions to you:
> 1) Do you know what I have done wrong?
> 2) Or can you tell me how to set up the aliases manually? (Where does
> "mylist at smesrv.sme-
> union.org" has to point in virtuser..





From theall at tifaware.com  Wed May  5 16:44:57 2004
From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:44:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Lists,
	Authorized Posters and Virus/Worm Access
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040505011923.01f2d828@pop.west.cox.net>
References: <6.0.0.22.2.20040505011923.01f2d828@pop.west.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20040505144456.GD2963@tifaware.com>

On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 01:28:59AM -0700, Bob Bowers wrote:

> In my community last week, someone gained access to a mail list with 
> hundreds of subscribers by mimicking an email address authorized to post to 
> the list (moderation bit set OFF). 

The shortcoming of this approach to moderation is discussed in the FAQ:

    http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

> What resulted was that a worm of the W32Beagle variety was 
> sent to many hundreds of subscribers. 

Sorry to hear that.  As others have mentioned, you might want to explore
setting up anti-virus filtering on your mail server and/or restrict the
types of attachments your mailing list(s) allow. 


George
-- 
theall at tifaware.com
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From maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch  Wed May  5 17:19:44 2004
From: maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch (Martin Maechler)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 17:19:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL in List info text is suddenly "quoted" HTML
Message-ID: <16537.1552.790037.142628@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

It's probably easiest to see what I mean when you look at

  https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/ess-help

one of the lists I manage.
The link "<A HREF=.... ............</A>" is suddenly `shown'

(because the "<" etc are quoted in the html source).

How can this happen? 
As ML administrator, I've simply  edited the list information
[text box] shown on the  ...../mailman/admin/ess-help page.

Any ideas ?
Could it be a problem of the web server software (apache)?

---

Please continue CC'ing me on the subject, since I'm not
subscribed to mailman-users.

Regards,
Martin Maechler <maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch>	http://stat.ethz.ch/~maechler/
Seminar fuer Statistik, ETH-Zentrum  LEO C16	Leonhardstr. 27
ETH (Federal Inst. Technology)	8092 Zurich	SWITZERLAND
phone: x-41-1-632-3408		fax: ...-1228			<><



From apoythre at skymail.csus.edu  Tue May  4 19:28:23 2004
From: apoythre at skymail.csus.edu (Poythress, Lynn)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:28:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named Japanese
Message-ID: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288D75@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>

Hi,

I'm a new subscriber and am having a problem installing Mailman 2.1.4.
I am trying to install it on HP-UX 11.00.  I was able to download Python
2.3.3 from HP's porting site.  I was able to successfully run
'configure' for Mailman.  When I try and run 'make install' I get an
error message.  I'm not sure if I should concern myself with it, since
it's about a Japanese module.  Listed below is the message.

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/update", line 45, in ?
       import paths
   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py", line 55, in ?
       import japanese
ImportError: No module named japanese
*** Error exit code 1

Stop.

Can I still continue?  Will Mailman still run?  Do I care about this
Japanese module?

I did look in the archives and found a few similar questions, but wasn't
sure what I should do.  I contacted the Python help group and they
seemed to think that the HP porting site "seems to imply that all of
Python is included in the package." Does that mean I need to install the
'developer's package'?  I don't get it, why would all the pieces
necessary NOT be there?

Thanks for any insight you can give me.

Lynn Poythress
California State University, Sacramento





From hilton at think.co.za  Tue May  4 18:52:10 2004
From: hilton at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs)
Date: Tue,  4 May 2004 18:52:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] alias problem
In-Reply-To: <001e01c431f7$770cd7b0$0400a8c0@nikos>
References: <001e01c431f7$770cd7b0$0400a8c0@nikos>
Message-ID: <1083689530.4097ca3a1c4a5@email.think.co.za>

Sure dude.

The problem is in the first line of your alias file.

Should read...

my-list: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post my-list"

-- 
Regards
Hilton


Quoting nikos <nikos at qbit.gr>:

> I create a list and it seems to work fine, exept that all mail from users
> going only to root user.
> I believe it is an alias problem. Can somebody help me please?
> 
> #alias
> my-list: postmaster
> my-list-owner: mailman
> my-list-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin my-list"
> my-list-bounces: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces my-list"
> my-list-confirm: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm my-list"
> my-list-join: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join my-list"
> my-list-leave: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave my-list"
> my-list-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request my-list"
> my-list-subscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe my-list"
> my-list-unsubscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe my-list"





From ralphs at netwinder.org  Tue May  4 20:42:34 2004
From: ralphs at netwinder.org (Ralph Siemsen)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 14:42:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Case sensitivity for email addresses
Message-ID: <4097E41A.9040608@netwinder.org>

I'm using mailman 2.1 and have managed to get one of my lists into a 
somewhat odd state.

A user fred at domain.com was originally added through the 
mass-subscription web interface.

Later, I added fred at DOMAIN.com (note capitalization) with the add_member 
script on the commandline.

Or perhaps it was the opposite way around.  In any case, I now have the 
user subscribed twice, with the same email address, but different 
capitalization of the domain portion.

Now the problem is trying to remove either or both of these entries. 
Regardless of whether I use the web interface or commandline, I am 
unable to remove the member without breaking the list completetly.
All attempts seem to remove one of the members, and then I hit a 
consistency check that complains about the other entry being "not a 
member".  All attempts to post to the list, etc., fail with the same 
error (only visible on commandline; web interface just says that an 
error happened).

Is it possible to manually dump the database of list members, remove the 
offending email addresses, and then "undump" the database?

Or some other way to fix the list?

Thanks in advance,
-Ralph Siemsen

(Please cc: replies as I am not subscribed to this list!)




From joerg at mauerclan.de  Wed May  5 08:52:40 2004
From: joerg at mauerclan.de (Joerg Mauer)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 08:52:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updated exim configuration
Message-ID: <50988.153.96.161.212.1083739960.squirrel@sieter.homelinux.org>

Hi,

there is a new exim doc. for
mailman 2.1 :
You probably want to update the
link on the documentation page.

http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html

regards,

joerg




From temreguy at nctimes.net  Wed May  5 17:04:23 2004
From: temreguy at nctimes.net (John)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 08:04:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass setting of MODerate option?
Message-ID: <007901c432b6$c6acda30$ea02c242@DCVN1Q31>

Is there any way, in a mass subscription txt file containing 'real-name
<email-addr> ' to turn the MODerator option on at the same time? Doing it
manually is a chore, as I have all MOD bits set to off in my list.
------------------------
John Weersing




From rufranco at utep.edu  Wed May  5 17:53:28 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:53:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete list archives
Message-ID: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB73D0F1B@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>

	I have a list admin that wishes to delete all archives for a particluar list but the admin interface does not have such an option.  Can I simply delete the files found in the "archives" sub-directory?




From mailman-users at think.co.za  Wed May  5 19:50:40 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs)
Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 19:50:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL in List info text is suddenly "quoted" HTML
In-Reply-To: <16537.1552.790037.142628@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <16537.1552.790037.142628@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <1083779440.40992970dd25e@email.think.co.za>

That's the problem, you "simply edited the list information bit".

This is what is on your page....

<br>For more info, see the &lt;A 
HREF=&quot;http://www.analytics.washington.edu/statcomp/projects/ess/&quot;&gt;
 ESS site&lt;/A&gt;.
<br>

This is what it should read..... (in html)

<br>For more info, see the <A 
HREF="http://www.analytics.washington.edu/statcomp/projects/ess/">ESS site</A>.
<br>

-- 
Regards
Hilton


Quoting Martin Maechler <maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch>:

> It's probably easiest to see what I mean when you look at
> 
>   https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/ess-help
> 
> one of the lists I manage.
> The link "<A HREF=.... ............</A>" is suddenly `shown'
> 
> (because the "<" etc are quoted in the html source).
> 
> How can this happen? 
> As ML administrator, I've simply  edited the list information
> [text box] shown on the  ...../mailman/admin/ess-help page.





From maillists at conactive.com  Wed May  5 20:31:44 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 20:31:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named Japanese
In-Reply-To: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288D75@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>
References: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288D75@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>
Message-ID: <VA.000018ab.02420b94@virtual-access.org>

Lynn Poythress wrote on Tue, 4 May 2004 10:28:23 -0700:

> ImportError: No module named japanese
>

AFAIK this is actually from Python. The standard install on some OS's 
seems to require Japanese and Korean, for no good reason. That's why I 
uninstalled these parts and I got the same error when upgrading mailman. I 
think I had to reinstall that stuff to overcome it :-(


Kai

-- 

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From maillists at conactive.com  Wed May  5 20:31:44 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 20:31:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL in List info text is suddenly "quoted" HTML
In-Reply-To: <16537.1552.790037.142628@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <16537.1552.790037.142628@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <VA.000018aa.02420b94@virtual-access.org>

Martin Maechler wrote on Wed, 5 May 2004 17:19:44 +0200:

> As ML administrator, I've simply  edited the list information
> [text box] shown on the  ...../mailman/admin/ess-help page.
>

You didn't edit the whole page? It looks weird on other parts as well. 
F.i. on top there is
<FORM Method=POST 
ACTION="https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/ess-help"> English 
(USA)
              </FORM>
    <FORM Method=POST 
ACTION="https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/subscribe/ess-help">

which means the first FORM tag doesn't serve any purpose.

As for listinfo, I think I recall it was said that you cannot use HTML in 
any of the web interface fields. I may be wrong.


Kai

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From jp at warpix.org  Wed May  5 22:51:04 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 21:51:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 without nls
Message-ID: <20040505215103.F85@warpix.org>


How do I avoid installing support for lots of languages I don't need when 
installing Mailman 2.1.5?


-- 
John






From worldoff9908 at sacbeemail.com  Wed May  5 23:40:42 2004
From: worldoff9908 at sacbeemail.com (NFN Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:40:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] News -> Mail: no mail! (repost)
Message-ID: <1C0FB8BA35390514891AE70369CE17CE@worldoff9908.sacbeemail.com>

I posted this one last week, but no response, yet.  Any takers on this
one?  I thought this was a fairly simple one -- or is it just
uninteresting?

Thanks.

Smith

----

I'm in the process of setting up a server with the following:

- Fedora Core 1
- Mailman 2.1.4
- Sendmail 8.12.10
- INN 2.3.5

Mailman, Sendmail and INN all have been installed from the .RPM
bundled with Fedora.

I'm doing this setup as an internal server, so I'm not exchanging
traffic with the Internet at larger.

Where I currently am is that I have Mailman working fine as a mailing
list server, and no problems at all with INN as a news server.  I also
am not having any difficutly of getting mail to news.

However, where I am having difficulties is in getting messages
composed in news back to mail.  In my mailman configs, I'm pretty much
running with default settings -- in fact, the only things I'm
specifying in my mm_cfg.py are the necessary settings for the server name.

I do have all the supplied activities running in the mailman user's
crontab, and those are running on the specified schedules.

The specific place where I'm having problems is when I run gate_news,
I'm getting no response, other than a single log entry in /var/log/cron:

Apr 27 15:00:01 bronze CROND[12436]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
/var/mailman/cron/gate_news)

If I run gate_news from a shell prompt, I get a pause for a few
seconds, and then a new prompt, but no other output.

I've checked all of my logs, including /var/log/maillog and
/var/log/mailman/*, and there are no updates to any of these logs
following gate_news runs.

I also checked all the steps in the troubleshooting section (3.14) of
the Mailman FAQ.  The only thing that turned up other than what should
be is that that a check_perms check showed that the permissions of the
files in /var/mailman/qfiles were incorrect.  On the advice of
check_perms, I ran 'chmod 02775 *' on the directory.  (These files
have owner:group set to:  mailman:mailman ).  I then restarted all the
mailman services by rebooting the machine.  Following that, I'm still
having the same behavior.

What I'm missing has to be something small, but I'm not seeing it.
Any clues?

Thanks in advance.

Smith

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From vasil at cs.utk.edu  Thu May  6 03:04:21 2004
From: vasil at cs.utk.edu (David Vasil)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 21:04:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script to clean shunt directory
Message-ID: <20040506010421.GA4605@cs.utk.edu>

Until I can figure out how to stop the UnicodeDecodeErrors
and mail quits getting shunted, I figure it would be best to
keep the shunt directory somewhat clean.  To do this I wrote
a script that checks each .pck in the shunt directory for
the X-Spam-Level header to determine the liklihood of the
message being spam.  If it is highly likely the message is
spam, the script removes the .pck and .db file, otherwise it
warns the person running the script to investigate possible
legit email that ended up in shunt.

Can anyone see anything wrong with removing files in the
shunt directory in this manner?  The script I wrote is
attached.

-- 
+------------------------------------------------------------+
| Dave Vasil                                vasil at cs.utk.edu |
| University of Tennessee             Computer Science Dept. |
| UTKCS Systems Administrator                   865-974-8364 |
+------------------------------------------------------------+
-------------- next part --------------
#!/bin/bash
#
# Written by Dave Vasil <vasil at cs.utk.edu>
# May 5th, 2004
# Distributed under the GPL V2 or higher.
#
# Cleans out the mailman shunt directory in mailman/qfiles/shunt
#
# At the time this was written (May 5th 2004) several emails to
# lists would be shunted because they could not be parsed correctly
# due to illegal charset chars being used.  It appears that these
# messages are primarily caused by spammers
#
# This script tries to differentiate between messages with high
# spam levels and legitimate email.  Liklihood of a legit email being
# held in shunt is low, but if legit mail is held, this script 
# will send notice to the user running the script to investigate 
# low spam scoring messages.
#
# Script requires some sort of content filtering before mailman
# receives the message.  In this case, amavisd-new adds a header
# X-Spam-Level: XXXXX  (where the XXXXX is the level of spam
# liklihood).
#
# Distributed by default with $CLEAN set to false, you must
# explicitly set it to 1 if you wish to remove files.

SHUNTDIR=/usr/local/mail/mailman/qfiles/shunt
MAXSPAMX=7
CLEAN=0
TEST=1
SHUNTFILNUM=`ls $SHUNTDIR/*.pck 2>/dev/null | wc -l`

if [ $SHUNTFILNUM -gt 0 ]; then
  # Just for verbosity
  if [ $TEST -eq 1 ]; then
    echo "Checking $SHUNTFILNUM shunted messages in $SHUNTDIR."
	fi
	# Start the main loop
  for shuntfile in `ls $SHUNTDIR/*.pck`
  do
	  # egrep the shuntfile for the spam level
    spamlevel=`egrep -o -a -e 'X-Spam-Level...X+' $shuntfile | wc -c`
		# subtract 14 from the spam level for X-Spam-Level:
    spamlevel=`expr $spamlevel - 14`
    if [ $TEST -eq 1 ]; then
      echo "Shunted file: `basename $shuntfile` with spam level $spamlevel."
    fi
		# If $CLEAN is set, and $spamlevel > $MAXSPAMX, remove the .pck and .db for that $shuntfile
    if [ $CLEAN -eq 1 ]; then
      if [ $spamlevel -gt $MAXSPAMX ]; then
        if [ $TEST -eq 1 ]; then
          echo "Cleaning `basename $shuntfile` from the qfiles dir since spam exceeds $MAXSPAMX."
        fi
        rm -f $shuntfile "`echo $shuntfile | sed 's/\.pck$/\.db/'`"
      else
			  # Possible legit mail based on $MAXSPAMX
        echo "Please investigate `basename $shuntfile`.  Spam level ($spamlevel) is below $MAXSPAMX.  Possible valid message."
      fi
    fi
  done
else
  # Just for verbosity
  if [ $TEST -eq 1 ]; then
    echo "There are no shunted messages in $SHUNTDIR.  Lucky you."
	fi
fi
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From wheakory at isu.edu  Thu May  6 05:08:26 2004
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 21:08:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Size Issues
Message-ID: <4099AC29.1090509@isu.edu>

I have a critical situation that I need addressed, and it deals with 
large messages being sent to mailman mailing lists.

Currently, we have a lot of  large mailing lists (some have 10,000 to 
15,000 subscribers) and  some of these lists is all Faculty/Staff email 
subscribers that have an account on our mail server.  All messages sent 
to these lists are moderated.   Here's the problem, when some of these 
pending messages are accepted to be sent, and one of the messages 
happens to be 5mb in size, that amount of email that is sent to our mail 
server all at once, "kills us", and someday if a larger one is sent, it 
will fill up our mail stores and corrupt our mail server.
We can configure our mail server to not accept a message over 5 meg and 
that would solve the problem, but our University Advisory Committee 
would not allow  that.  They have approved that it be set to 10 meg, for 
messages be sent to only one recipient, but individuals who use the 
mailing lists, abuse this. Sometimes messages get approved that 
shouldn't and we run into this problem

All get to my point, is there a way that if a moderator tries to approve 
a message that is over 1 meg, that maybe some custom python code could 
be developed to pop up a message and say "Only messages below 1 meg can 
be approved"  and have the message discarded, or tell the user the only 
option they have is to discard the message.

I know there's the "max_message_size" option you can set, but that still 
sends the message to the pending database and they can still accept the 
message,  rather than discard the message when its above that size.

Any Solution?  I know you will want to say change your policy on your 
mail server, but at this point it's not a option.


--
Kory Wheatley
Idaho State University




From maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch  Thu May  6 08:32:40 2004
From: maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch (Martin Maechler)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 08:32:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL in List info text is suddenly "quoted" HTML
In-Reply-To: <1083779440.40992970dd25e@email.think.co.za>
References: <16537.1552.790037.142628@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<1083779440.40992970dd25e@email.think.co.za>
Message-ID: <16537.56328.353798.820478@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

Hi,

>>>>> "Hilton" == Hilton J Ralphs <mailman-users at think.co.za>
>>>>>     on Wed,  5 May 2004 19:50:40 +0200 writes:

    Hilton> That's the problem, you "simply edited the list information bit".

Hilton, you misunderstood:N
I did what every list maintainer is supposed to do:

Goto  http://........./mailman/admin/<listname>/general ,
i.e. the "General Options" administrative page,
with its two-column setup of

  Description		  Value
  -----------             -----

with the many "boxes" on the right hand 'Value' side a list
maintainer fills in.  In this case we are talking about the one
simply called  'info' (the fifth from the top).
On its left side, it says

>> An introductory description - a few paragraphs - about the
>> list. It will be included, as html, at the top of the
>> listinfo page. Carriage returns will end a paragraph - see
>> the details for more info.  (Details for info)
			        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
				this is a link
and if click on the "Details for info" I get a page with URL
https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/admin/ess-help/?VARHELP=general/info
				
with the content  starting as


>> 
>> ESS-help Mailing list Configuration Help
>> info Option

>> info (general): An introductory description - a few
>> paragraphs - about the list. It will be included, as html, at
>> the top of the listinfo page. Carriage returns will end a
>> paragraph - see the details for more info.
>> 

>> The text will be treated as html except that newlines will be
>> translated to <br> - so you can use links, preformatted text,
>> etc, but don't put in carriage returns except where you mean
>> to separate paragraphs. And review your changes - bad html
>> (like some unterminated HTML constructs) can prevent display
>> of the entire listinfo page.

Which clearly allows to put into HTML things.

And this used to work for many years -- as said I don't think
it's a mailman problem but a problem of the interaction of
web-server (apache) <-> mailman

When I put in HTML code, I __ of course __ don't use
the '&qout;' or '&lt;' entities that
become used on the ......../listinfo page !

--------------------------------------

Yes, I know the following (and mentioned it by saying ".. are
quoted in the html source" below).
But I think you forgot that this HTML page is *generated* by
mailman/python from some "list database" (into which I haven't
looked).

    Hilton> This is what is on your page....

    Hilton> <br>For more info, see the &lt;A 
    Hilton> HREF=&quot;http://www.analytics.washington.edu/statcomp/projects/ess/&quot;&gt;
    Hilton> ESS site&lt;/A&gt;.
    Hilton> <br>

    Hilton> This is what it should read..... (in html)

    Hilton> <br>For more info, see the <A 
    Hilton> HREF="http://www.analytics.washington.edu/statcomp/projects/ess/">ESS site</A>.
    Hilton> <br>

    Hilton> -- 
    Hilton> Regards
    Hilton> Hilton


    Hilton> Quoting Martin Maechler <maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch>:

    >> It's probably easiest to see what I mean when you look at
    >> 
    >> https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/ess-help
    >> 
    >> one of the lists I manage.
    >> The link "<A HREF=.... ............</A>" is suddenly `shown'
    >> 
    >> (because the "<" etc are quoted in the html source).
    >> 
    >> How can this happen? 
    >> As ML administrator, I've simply  edited the list information
    >> [text box] shown on the  ...../mailman/admin/ess-help page.




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu May  6 09:36:50 2004
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 09:36:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete list archives
In-Reply-To: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB73D0F1B@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
	(Ruben Franco's message of "Wed, 5 May 2004 09:53:28 -0600")
References: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB73D0F1B@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
Message-ID: <soylent-green-mm-m24qquuhv1.fsf@neubauer-cvk.charite.de>

"Franco, Ruben" <rufranco at utep.edu> writes:

> 	I have a list admin that wishes to delete all archives for a
> 	particluar list but the admin interface does not have such an
> 	option.  Can I simply delete the files found in the "archives"
> 	sub-directory?

No. But you can delete the $MAILMANHOME/archives/private/$LISTNAME
directory.


Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Detlef Neubauer
-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May  6 10:29:30 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 10:29:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Size Issues
In-Reply-To: <4099AC29.1090509@isu.edu>
References: <4099AC29.1090509@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002020bcbfa7726705@[10.0.1.2]>

At 9:08 PM -0600 2004/05/05, Kory Wheatley wrote:

>  Any Solution?  I know you will want to say change your policy on your
>  mail server, but at this point it's not a option.

	As you have observed, the standard place to fix this problem is 
in the mail server.  It is not unusual to have a separate machine 
handling the mailing list, and you could apply the maximum message 
size on that machine alone, leaving the regular mail servers 
unchanged.

	Other than that, I don't think we have any immediate solution for you.


	You'll probably have to hack the Python code where the 
max_message_size stuff is processed and have it reject or discard the 
message instead of holding it.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From sean at 77002.com  Thu May  6 11:48:38 2004
From: sean at 77002.com (Sean Carnahan)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 04:48:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footers
In-Reply-To: <16537.56328.353798.820478@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <E1BLfUa-0001F0-FD@mars.hostingapi.com>

Hello,

I am sure this has already been addressed but I couldn't seem to get it
sorted out form the archives.

What I need is a footer or my choosing to be on every email that goes out.
I typed in what I wanted in the digest and non digest admin area,
But when I send out emails, the footer is not there 

How can I make a footer text that will be added to every email that goes
out?


Thanks!

Sean





From jason at data-flow.org.uk  Thu May  6 14:09:00 2004
From: jason at data-flow.org.uk (Jason Shouler)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 13:09:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python: High CPU Load
Message-ID: <409A2ADC.1070204@data-flow.org.uk>

We run an announcement only list of about 25K members on a IBM Netfinity 
5500 (1 GB RAM) running SuSE 8.0.

Mailman 2.1.4 performs very well except for the web interface which is 
slow at the best of times and can even time-out during an active mail shot.

This is a snapshot of "ps aux" showing a cpu load of over 96% generated 
from doing a member search.

wwwrun    7469 96.1  2.0 22680 20968 ?       R    12:14   0:05 
/usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver admin

No errors in the error log.

Would anyone like to comment on how "normal" they'd consider this?

Regards,

Jason.

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From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu May  6 14:10:58 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 21:10:58 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Size Issues
In-Reply-To: <4099AC29.1090509@isu.edu>
References: <4099AC29.1090509@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <409A2B52.3040601@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

> to these lists are moderated.   Here's the problem, when some of these 
> pending messages are accepted to be sent, and one of the messages 
> happens to be 5mb in size, that amount of email that is sent to our mail 
> server all at once, "kills us", and someday if a larger one is sent, it 
> will fill up our mail stores and corrupt our mail server.

My patch for Scrubber may be of help to you.
It can save the attached files in archive area and replace them with 
links to the files for regular delivery as a per-list basis.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=904850&group_id=103&atid=300103

> Any Solution?  I know you will want to say change your policy on your 
> mail server, but at this point it's not a option.

Or, you can simply insert Scrubber into the pipeline and save all the 
attachments without this patch. ;-)

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From maillists at conactive.com  Thu May  6 15:31:37 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 15:31:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass setting of MODerate option?
In-Reply-To: <007901c432b6$c6acda30$ea02c242@DCVN1Q31>
References: <007901c432b6$c6acda30$ea02c242@DCVN1Q31>
Message-ID: <VA.000018ad.00f52758@virtual-access.org>

John wrote on Wed, 5 May 2004 08:04:23 -0700:

> Is there any way, in a mass subscription txt file containing 'real-name
> <email-addr> ' to turn the MODerator option on at the same time? Doing it
> manually is a chore, as I have all MOD bits set to off in my list.
>

not sure what you mean. Do you want that all added users are "moderated". 
Then just switch that on in the interface.


Kai

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From maillists at conactive.com  Thu May  6 15:31:37 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 15:31:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Case sensitivity for email addresses
In-Reply-To: <4097E41A.9040608@netwinder.org>
References: <4097E41A.9040608@netwinder.org>
Message-ID: <VA.000018ac.00f52758@virtual-access.org>

Ralph Siemsen wrote on Tue, 04 May 2004 14:42:34 -0400:

> Is it possible to manually dump the database of list members, remove the 
> offending email addresses, and then "undump" the database?
>

list_members is possibly what you want to use.


Kai

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From lotto at vassar.edu  Thu May  6 15:54:27 2004
From: lotto at vassar.edu (Benjamin Lotto)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:54:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!  mailman not processing received messages;
	sitting in qfiles/in
Message-ID: <E4165B14-9F64-11D8-9E26-000A956EB10A@vassar.edu>

Let me start by saying that I don't know much about mailman.  I use the 
version that comes with Mac OS X server and it's worked fine until 
yesterday.  All of a sudden, though, messages aren't getting through.  
I poked around and the messages are received OK, but they are sitting 
in /private/var/mailman/qfiles/in and I have no idea how to get them 
out of there and out to the folks that need them.  Any help much 
appreciated!!!

TIA,
-Ben




From tpf at canes.gsw.edu  Thu May  6 15:59:01 2004
From: tpf at canes.gsw.edu (Tim Faircloth)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 09:59:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass setting of MODerate option?
In-Reply-To: <007901c432b6$c6acda30$ea02c242@DCVN1Q31>
References: <007901c432b6$c6acda30$ea02c242@DCVN1Q31>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040506093959.02565178@canes.gsw.edu>

At 11:04 AM 5/5/2004, you wrote:
>Is there any way, in a mass subscription txt file containing 'real-name
><email-addr> ' to turn the MODerator option on at the same time? Doing it
>manually is a chore, as I have all MOD bits set to off in my list.

In the web interface, under Privacy options.../Sender filters, there's a 
line that says "By default, should new list member postings be 
moderated?"  Change this option to "Yes", then add your email 
addresses.  After that, you can change  the option back to "no" if you wish.

/tim
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From geoff at lanrex.com.au  Thu May  6 10:25:50 2004
From: geoff at lanrex.com.au (Geoff Powell)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 18:25:50 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change user settings through command line
Message-ID: <49402F135E09A04CB6D9020C8E2A9728172BFD@lrsydas2.lanrex.priv>

Hi all,

Is it possible with Mailman 2.1.4-1 to change user settings from a
command line tool? For example set nomail to 1 for a user on a mailing
list? I looked in the bin directory and none of the utilities appear to
be designed to do this, does anyone have any suggestions?

Tia

Regards
Geoff



From info at tikklik.nl  Thu May  6 16:38:36 2004
From: info at tikklik.nl (Tik & Klik Internetdiensten)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 16:38:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails not processing
Message-ID: <200405061438.i46Ecai31863@mail1.tikklik.nl>

Hello,

I did a fresh install of version 2.1.4
Installation went fine browser is up
Cron is running aliases is set

Sending a mail to the list is picked up but doesnt be processed.
Sendmail says:

May  6 16:32:28 www sendmail[19329]: i46EWRA19328:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post netwerk", ctladdr=<netwerk at XXXXX.com>
(8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=31148, dsn=2.0.0,
stat=Sent

So no error
Anyone has any idees ?

thnx
 
Steffan Noord





From sachafire at worldnet.att.net  Wed May  5 20:10:48 2004
From: sachafire at worldnet.att.net (Sacha H. Dick)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:10:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator
Message-ID: <00b001c432cc$4b1aeef0$b0697c18@Sacha>

Sorry to bother you, but I can't find an answer to my question and have not
gotten a response from a couple other emails to other people.

 

I am the moderator of a list and need to be able to send out emails to the
list from me as a moderator with out it having to be "approved" first.  I
just want to send it directly.  Also, is there a way to set it up to send
something out at a specific day/time in the future?

 

 

Sacha H. Dick

Southeastern Association of Fire Chiefs

785/423-1818 (work/cell)

785/542-3511 (Fax)

seafc at iafc.org

www.seafc.org

 



From tim.goergens at eds.com  Wed May  5 23:56:15 2004
From: tim.goergens at eds.com (Goergens, Tim)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 17:56:15 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option for digest to only have subjects and links
	to archive?
Message-ID: <D232AEB4AA44D411B4B900508BDF0774134D5AA2@usahm011.exmi01.exch.eds.com>

Is there an option or a way to have mailman create digests of only the
subject line with a link to the message in the archive?

We are receiving multiple messages a day that we need to archive, but we
will normally only be interested in a few of them.  Some of the messages are
large, so I don't want to send the content with the digest, only a list of
the subjects and a link to the message in the archive.

Has anyone done this?  If I need to modify a file to do it, which one(s)
should I start looking at?

Thanks,

Tim Goergens



From clittle at corp.ivs.cc  Thu May  6 17:24:09 2004
From: clittle at corp.ivs.cc (Charles Little)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:24:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers in Digests
Message-ID: <E1BLkjn-0008IH-OV@mail.python.org>

Hello-

In the digests for my list, I am getting unwanted
headers, i.e.

To: [To header omitted]
Message-ID:
<5.1.0.14.0.20040505220249.031b6c20@[censored]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii";
format=flowed

I placed the following in mm_cfg.py:

MIME_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS = ['message', 'date', 'from',
'subject']
PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS = ['message', 'date', 'from',
'subject']

But the settings are only applied during manual
generation of the digest, not during autogeneration.
What am I doing wrong?

Thanks!
--------------------------------------------
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Infinite Visions Studios | http://corp.ivs.cc
clittle at corp.ivs.cc | (404) 606-0455 | (770) 879-3628
...there are no limits...






From gagel at cnc.bc.ca  Thu May  6 17:55:19 2004
From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 08:55:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator
Message-ID: <409a5fe7.271.190.24453@cnc.bc.ca>

----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "Sacha H. Dick" <sachafire at worldnet.att.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:10:48 -0500
> 
> Sorry to bother you, but I can't find an answer to my question and have not
> gotten a response from a couple other emails to other people.
> 
>  
> 
> I am the moderator of a list and need to be able to send out emails to the
> list from me as a moderator with out it having to be "approved" first.  I
> just want to send it directly.  Also, is there a way to set it up to send
> something out at a specific day/time in the future?

Since you are the moderator of the list go into the administrative interface.
Under the Members section locate your email address and then remove the mod
check mark. Then when you send to the list it will go out with out requiring you
to approve it.

As for sending at specific day or time, I don't the know the answer to it.
Perhaps someone more familiar with mailman can help.

====================
Kevin W. Gagel
Network Administrator
(250) 561-5848 local 448
(250) 562-2131 local 448

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu May  6 17:56:52 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 16:56:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails not processing
In-Reply-To: <200405061438.i46Ecai31863@mail1.tikklik.nl>
References: <200405061438.i46Ecai31863@mail1.tikklik.nl>
Message-ID: <FDAC5665-9F75-11D8-8160-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 6 May 2004, at 15:38, Tik & Klik Internetdiensten wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I did a fresh install of version 2.1.4
> Installation went fine browser is up
> Cron is running aliases is set
>

$prefix/bin/mailmanctl start run ??

> Sending a mail to the list is picked up but doesnt be processed.
> Sendmail says:
>
> May  6 16:32:28 www sendmail[19329]: i46EWRA19328:
> to="|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post netwerk", 
> ctladdr=<netwerk at XXXXX.com>
> (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=31148, 
> dsn=2.0.0,
> stat=Sent
>
> So no error
> Anyone has any idees ?
>
> thnx
>
> Steffan Noord




From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Thu May  6 18:12:18 2004
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 12:12:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List security
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405061201090.13435@seyyav.pair.com>


Hi,

I'm running a list on Mailman 2.1.3 and I am looking to secure my list as
much as possible.  I saw this in FAQ 3.11
(http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp):

  A more secure alternative is for your approved posters to add an
  Approved header to their postings as a header, or as the first line of
  the post).

I'd like to implement this but I'm uncertain to go about it.  I'm pretty
certain the content filtering options are where the test for the Approved
header should go.  My question is how can the header be added to the
posting?  Any insight or tips as to how this can be accomplished will be
appreciated.

Thanks,
Sean



From rufranco at utep.edu  Thu May  6 18:18:11 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 10:18:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete list archives
Message-ID: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB73D0F90@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>

What about the stuff in "$MAILMANHOME/archives/public/$LISTNAME"?


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Detlef Neubauer
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 1:37 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Delete list archives


"Franco, Ruben" <rufranco at utep.edu> writes:

> 	I have a list admin that wishes to delete all archives for a
> 	particluar list but the admin interface does not have such an
> 	option.  Can I simply delete the files found in the "archives"
> 	sub-directory?

No. But you can delete the $MAILMANHOME/archives/private/$LISTNAME
directory.


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From paul at thcwd.com  Thu May  6 19:36:56 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 12:36:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Emails not processing
In-Reply-To: <E1BLlDf-0003BT-FK@mail.python.org>
References: <E1BLlDf-0003BT-FK@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040506123450.01e4a280@127.0.0.1>

Steffan Noord  wrote:
>I did a fresh install of version 2.1.4
>Installation went fine browser is up
>Cron is running aliases is set

      That version runs as a daemon, not from cron - did you do 
<[prefix>/mailman/ bin/mailmanctl start?

<>< Paul





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May  6 19:16:39 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 19:16:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator
In-Reply-To: <00b001c432cc$4b1aeef0$b0697c18@Sacha>
References: <00b001c432cc$4b1aeef0$b0697c18@Sacha>
Message-ID: <p06002023bcc0231c4aec@[10.0.1.2]>

At 1:10 PM -0500 2004/05/05, Sacha H. Dick wrote:

>  I am the moderator of a list and need to be able to send out emails to the
>  list from me as a moderator with out it having to be "approved" first.  I
>  just want to send it directly.

	If you're the moderator, then your address should be on the 
whitelist, and anything you send should automatically go through.  If 
not, then you need to have your address added to the whitelist.

>                                  Also, is there a way to set it up to send
>  something out at a specific day/time in the future?

	No.  Use the facilities provided by your operating system, such as "cron".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May  6 19:19:47 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 19:19:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footers
In-Reply-To: <E1BLfUa-0001F0-FD@mars.hostingapi.com>
References: <E1BLfUa-0001F0-FD@mars.hostingapi.com>
Message-ID: <p06002024bcc023ef7c53@[10.0.1.2]>

At 4:48 AM -0500 2004/05/06, Sean Carnahan wrote:

>  What I need is a footer or my choosing to be on every email that goes out.

	No problem.  Standard feature of Mailman.

>  I typed in what I wanted in the digest and non digest admin area,
>  But when I send out emails, the footer is not there

	What version of Mailman are you using?  Have you looked through 
the FAQ?  Perhaps the answer at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.005.htp> 
will be of use.

>  How can I make a footer text that will be added to every email that goes
>  out?

	See the page above.  If that doesn't solve the problem and the 
other entries in the FAQ also don't help, maybe there's something 
else going on.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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From gagel at cnc.bc.ca  Thu May  6 20:09:33 2004
From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 11:09:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on Mailman site list.
Message-ID: <409a7f5d.3aa.c34.17986@cnc.bc.ca>

Some time ago I setup mailman, followed some instructions on creating the
mailman site list. Now I find I can't access its admin page and I'm not sure
what I did. Each time I try to get to the admin page of the mailman list I am
redirected back to the list index page for all of the lists.

Any ideas?

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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu May  6 20:16:27 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:16:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on Mailman site list.
In-Reply-To: <409a7f5d.3aa.c34.17986@cnc.bc.ca>
References: <409a7f5d.3aa.c34.17986@cnc.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <20040506181626.GE1995@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Kevin W. Gagel wrote:
> Some time ago I setup mailman, followed some instructions on
> creating the mailman site list. Now I find I can't access its admin
> page and I'm not sure what I did. Each time I try to get to the
> admin page of the mailman list I am redirected back to the list
> index page for all of the lists.
>
> Any ideas?

You probably have an overzealous redirect in your apache config.
Check there.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
All of us could take a lesson from the weather.  It pays no attention
to criticism.

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From edg at greenberg.org  Thu May  6 20:26:35 2004
From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 11:26:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the web_page_url parameter
Message-ID: <739140.1083842795@w0007fhh30b.palm1.palmone.com>

Is it possible to change the web_page_url parameter using the 
mailman/admin/listname website?

If so, where... I don't see it.

If not, how do I change it?

Thanks,

</edg>
Ed Greenberg



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu May  6 20:42:08 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:42:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the web_page_url parameter
In-Reply-To: <739140.1083842795@w0007fhh30b.palm1.palmone.com>
References: <739140.1083842795@w0007fhh30b.palm1.palmone.com>
Message-ID: <20040506184208.GF1995@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Ed Greenberg wrote:
> Is it possible to change the web_page_url parameter using the 
> mailman/admin/listname website?

Not in 2.1.

> If not, how do I change it?

fix_url.py will help you.  See also the FAQ entry:

    4.29. Where can I change a list or the default URL used for the
    web interface?
    
    http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

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From chrisw at drizzle.com  Thu May  6 20:48:34 2004
From: chrisw at drizzle.com (Chris Whip)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:48:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator
In-Reply-To: <p06002023bcc0231c4aec@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <00b001c432cc$4b1aeef0$b0697c18@Sacha>
	<p06002023bcc0231c4aec@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <20040506184834.GA26370@cascadia.drizzle.com>

On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 07:16:39PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 1:10 PM -0500 2004/05/05, Sacha H. Dick wrote:
> > I am the moderator of a list and need to be able to send out emails to the
> > list from me as a moderator with out it having to be "approved" first.  I
> > just want to send it directly.
> 
> 	If you're the moderator, then your address should be on the 
> whitelist, and anything you send should automatically go through.  If 
> not, then you need to have your address added to the whitelist.

I'd be tempted to leave EVERYONE moderated, including yourself. Cuts
down on the viruses spoofing you (which does happen).

I'm guessing that auto PGP (etc) authentication of moderator posts is a way
off.

-- Chris

-- 
--
Chris Whip - Systems administrator, Drizzle Internet NW - chrisw at drizzle.com



From gagel at cnc.bc.ca  Thu May  6 20:51:48 2004
From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 11:51:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on Mailman site list.
Message-ID: <409a8944.2ab.378.26265@cnc.bc.ca>

----- Original Message Follows -----
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Question on Mailman site list.
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:16:27 -0400
> Kevin W. Gagel wrote:
> > Some time ago I setup mailman, followed some instructions on
> > creating the mailman site list. Now I find I can't access its admin
> > page and I'm not sure what I did. Each time I try to get to the
> > admin page of the mailman list I am redirected back to the list
> > index page for all of the lists.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> 
> You probably have an overzealous redirect in your apache config.
> Check there.
Right you are, I've found it in the httpd-mailman.conf. Unfortunatly I can't
seem to get around it. This file is what the mailman install put in if memory
serves correctly I put the include into my apache.conf for it. Within the
mailman.conf file there is a commented line that the comments say to remove.
That is what is causing the behaviour. I can't figure out how to reduce it to
only redirect if url ends with /mailman it just keeps redirecting anything that
ends with mailman which would be the mailman sitewide list as well. 

Any suggestions?

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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu May  6 21:00:17 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 15:00:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on Mailman site list.
In-Reply-To: <409a8944.2ab.378.26265@cnc.bc.ca>
References: <409a8944.2ab.378.26265@cnc.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <20040506190017.GG1995@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Kevin W. Gagel wrote:
> Right you are, I've found it in the httpd-mailman.conf. Unfortunatly
> I can't seem to get around it. This file is what the mailman install
> put in if memory serves correctly I put the include into my
> apache.conf for it. Within the mailman.conf file there is a
> commented line that the comments say to remove.  That is what is
> causing the behaviour. I can't figure out how to reduce it to only
> redirect if url ends with /mailman it just keeps redirecting
> anything that ends with mailman which would be the mailman sitewide
> list as well. 
>
> Any suggestions?

RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://yourdomain/mailman/listinfo

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From spelatta at post.rzn.ru  Thu May  6 21:11:12 2004
From: spelatta at post.rzn.ru (Victor Komarov)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 23:11:12 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change charecter coding in general list
	information page?
Message-ID: <00da01c4339e$0fed8450$5ee41ad4@speleoy9dy3jmh>

Hello all.

I see one bug in my general list information page 
http://schooner.coastlandtech.com/mailman/listinfo/speleo-info


Each time when user look this page, it is  in ASCII-USA charecter coding, not in correct Cyrillic (KOI-8R).
So russian (cyrillic) text in the page is unreadable...
The page must be reloaded again after changing charecter coding to  KOI-8R for reading cyrillic text.

How can I fixed this bug?
Thank you.
--
Victor Komarov 





From peter at phmb.biz  Thu May  6 21:36:19 2004
From: peter at phmb.biz (peter at phmb.biz)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:36:19 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Download all list members
In-Reply-To: <20040506190017.GG1995@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <409a8944.2ab.378.26265@cnc.bc.ca> 
	<20040506190017.GG1995@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <3599.196.25.206.107.1083872179.squirrel@www.phmb.biz>

I'd like to download all my list members into a spreadsheet, this doesn't
seem easy through the interface - the bast seems to be an alphabetic list
where you have to cut and paste.

Is there an easy way to get a dump of the list from the file system?




From steffan at tikklik.nl  Thu May  6 22:12:14 2004
From: steffan at tikklik.nl (Steffan)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:12:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner
Message-ID: <20040506201214.M32569@tikklik.nl>



Hello did a new install of mailman 2.1.4
now cron gives this error 
  
File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 96
    print >> fd, _(__doc__)
           ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax



any idees



From haakon.strandenes at seilforening.no  Thu May  6 22:19:48 2004
From: haakon.strandenes at seilforening.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=E5kon?= Strandenes)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:19:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get mails from external POP3 accounts
Message-ID: <1083874788.7256.7.camel@192.168.1.254>

I have a Linux server running Mailman, Postfix and Fetchmail. I'm
running this at home for a small sailing club, with approximately 10
messages/day. The problem is that I have dynamic IP, and only a
no-ip.com basic account.

But the sailing club is so lucky that they have a domain, a
web/mailserver and unlimited number of pop3 accounts. So my question is:

How can I set up mailman/postfix to get mails form another, external
pop3 account via fetchmail? I've already made the pop3 accounts, like
listname-users at domain.com, listname-admins at domain.com etc. But how do I
configure fetchmail, postfix and mailman?

Best regards
H??kon Strandenes, Norway




From maillists at conactive.com  Thu May  6 22:19:23 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:19:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List security
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405061201090.13435@seyyav.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405061201090.13435@seyyav.pair.com>
Message-ID: <VA.000018ae.026a780d@virtual-access.org>

Sean wrote on Thu, 6 May 2004 12:12:18 -0400 (EDT):

> A more secure alternative is for your approved posters to add an
>   Approved header to their postings as a header, or as the first line of
>   the post).
> 
> I'd like to implement this but I'm uncertain to go about it.  I'm pretty
> certain the content filtering options are where the test for the Approved
> header should go.

No, you got that wrong. Usually, you have to approve an email via web 
interface. If it contains the Approved header and password then it gets 
handled in the same way as if you had approved it via web, just that this 
works automatically. There's no "test" to put anywhere. Actually, it's an 
old mailing list method which was invented earlier than web interfaces.

My question is how can the header be added to the
> posting?  Any insight or tips as to how this can be accomplished will be
> appreciated.
>

It's exactly as it says:

> > add an
> >   Approved header to their postings as a header
>

and if the program isn't able to do this:

> as the first line of
> >   the post).
>

So, put "Approved: password" in the first line or as a header. Note, this 
will be parsed away and NOT distributed to the list, don't worry!


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From listas at virusattack.com.ar  Thu May  6 22:27:03 2004
From: listas at virusattack.com.ar (Ignacio M. Sbampato)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:27:03 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure --with-mail-gid=user not working
Message-ID: <010501c433a8$82716b90$050010ac@Valinor>

Guys,

when i run the command:

./configure --with-mail-gid=some_user

on a system previously installed, it isn't working. The user isn't changed,
and i get the following error when i send an email to a test  list:

<list at server>: Command died with status 2:
    "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post prueba". Command output: Group
    mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed
as
    group "postdrop", but the system's mail server executed the mail script
as
    group "mailman".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as
group
    "postdrop", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
    `--with-mail-gid=mailman'.

I'm using Posftix as MTA.

Thanks.




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May  6 22:32:47 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 22:32:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get mails from external POP3 accounts
In-Reply-To: <1083874788.7256.7.camel@192.168.1.254>
References: <1083874788.7256.7.camel@192.168.1.254>
Message-ID: <p06002025bcc0512a162e@[10.0.1.2]>

At 10:19 PM +0200 2004/05/06, H?kon Strandenes wrote:

>  How can I set up mailman/postfix to get mails form another, external
>  pop3 account via fetchmail? I've already made the pop3 accounts, like
>  listname-users at domain.com, listname-admins at domain.com etc. But how do I
>  configure fetchmail, postfix and mailman?

	The postfix and mailman configurations should be pretty much 
completely independent of the fetchmail configuration.  Set up 
fetchmail to download the e-mail from the remote server and deliver 
it locally, and then postfix and mailman should take care of the rest.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu May  6 22:40:51 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:40:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner
In-Reply-To: <20040506201214.M32569@tikklik.nl>
References: <20040506201214.M32569@tikklik.nl>
Message-ID: <A9EFB2E0-9F9D-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 6 May 2004, at 21:12, Steffan wrote:

>
>
> Hello did a new install of mailman 2.1.4
> now cron gives this error
>
> File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 96
>     print >> fd, _(__doc__)
>            ^
> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>
>
>
> any idees
>

what version of python are you running? the README says

<quote>
     It is recommended that you use Python 2.3.3, the latest release as
     of this writing (31-Dec-2003).  Mailman will work with Python
     2.2.3 as well, which is the latest release on the Python 2.2 branch.
     Mailman 2.1 is not compatible with Python 2.0 or any earlier
     version.
</quote>

MM 2.1.x normally operates its qrunners as daemons, unlike MM 2.0.x 
which used a cron executed qrunner.

You appear to have a cron based qrunner yet say you are running a newly 
installed MM 2.1.4.

Did you install this over an earlier MM 2.0.x install and if so did you 
remove the old crontab before installing the one for the newer release?
  




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu May  6 22:44:53 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:44:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure --with-mail-gid=user not working
In-Reply-To: <010501c433a8$82716b90$050010ac@Valinor>
References: <010501c433a8$82716b90$050010ac@Valinor>
Message-ID: <39E72A23-9F9E-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 6 May 2004, at 21:27, Ignacio M. Sbampato wrote:

> Guys,
>
> when i run the command:
>
> ./configure --with-mail-gid=some_user
>
> on a system previously installed, it isn't working.

Have you run "make install" after running ./configure?

Simply running configure will not change a previously/already installed 
Mailman

> The user isn't changed,
> and i get the following error when i send an email to a test  list:
>
> <list at server>: Command died with status 2:
>     "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post prueba". Command output: 
> Group
>     mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be 
> executed
> as
>     group "postdrop", but the system's mail server executed the mail 
> script
> as
>     group "mailman".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as
> group
>     "postdrop", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
>     `--with-mail-gid=mailman'.
>
> I'm using Posftix as MTA.
>
> Thanks.




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu May  6 23:36:27 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 22:36:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner
In-Reply-To: <20040506210041.M37259@tikklik.nl>
References: <20040506210041.M37259@tikklik.nl>
Message-ID: <6E778169-9FA5-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 6 May 2004, at 22:00, tikkliknl wrote:

> Well it was a new install, but there was an old not used version 
> pressent.
> i installed python 2.3.3

Did you install it in the same location as and replacing any previous 
version of python on the system?

> looking at ps -aux i see this:
>
> mailman  28884  0.1  0.9  5964 4792 ?        S    22:55   0:00
> python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start
> mailman  28885  2.8  0.8  5736 4600 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
> mailman  28886  3.0  0.8  5748 4612 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
> mailman  28887  2.8  0.8  5740 4596 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
> mailman  28888  2.8  0.8  5744 4600 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
> mailman  28889  3.1  0.8  5752 4636 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
> mailman  28890  2.9  0.9  5764 4668 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
> mailman  28891  2.9  0.8  5744 4600 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
> mailman  28892  3.3  0.8  5736 4600 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s
>
> only thing i changed was when starting mailmanctl it looked for 
> qrunner but
> he didnt find it

which indicates something went wrong with your installation if your 
install $prefix was /home/mailman and the 'make install' did not put a 
copy of the MM 2.1.4 qrunner into /home/mailman/bin

> so i put t there

put what from where to where?

> fronm the install files.

If the 'make install' had executed correctly you should not have had to 
copy over/install any files by hand.

MM 2.1.4 does not normally execute a file called $prefix/cron/qrunner 
and not from its normal crontab. If cron is trying to execute a qrunner 
scr8pt it is probably the old Mailman installation's crontab that is so 
doing. Did you check that this had been removed before you installed 
the new MM 2.1.4 crontab? Did you install the MM 2.1.4 crontab?

The syntax error you reported originally could come about if:

1. your old MM crontab was not removed

2. you copied a copy of the MM 2.1.4 qrunner into $prefix/cron/

3. your old MM crontab referenced an older python installation still on 
your system and not the Python 2.3.3 you have installed

4. as a result, an entry in the old MM crontab tried to execute the 
(daemon) qrunner used by MM 2.1.4 with an old version of python which 
saw a feature used in the new code as being a syntax error

> thanxs
> steffan.
>
>> Hello did a new install of mailman 2.1.4 now cron gives this error
>>
>> File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 96
>>     print >> fd, _(__doc__)
>>            ^
>> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>
>> any idees
>>
>
> what version of python are you running? the README says
>
>
> MM 2.1.x normally operates its qrunners as daemons, unlike MM 2.0.x 
> which
> used a cron executed qrunner.
>
> You appear to have a cron based qrunner yet say you are running a newly
> installed MM 2.1.4.
>
> Did you install this over an earlier MM 2.0.x install and if so did you
> remove the old crontab before installing the one for the newer release?
>




From chad at chadphillips.org  Thu May  6 23:45:30 2004
From: chad at chadphillips.org (chad at chadphillips.org)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 16:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not going out or to archive
Message-ID: <39832.208.35.133.180.1083879930.squirrel@www.chadphillips.org>

Hi,

I set up mailman.  The list is meant to be send only, all emails being
moderated.  The moderation flag is set for all email addresses.

When I send an email to the list it goes into the queue.  I then go into
"Administrative requests for mailing list"  and see "Posting Held for
Approval".  Then I mark it "Approve", "Preserve message for site
administrato" and "Additionally, forward this message to:".

The mail does not go out and it does not go into the archive.  The list
owner gets a blank email with the subject "Forward of moderated message."

Any ideas on how I can fix this?  I only have web access to the maching
mailman is running on.

thanks
chad phillips
ps.  This is for a non-profit I am volunteering for and any help would be
appreciated.



From Scot at JCTn.com  Fri May  7 01:28:38 2004
From: Scot at JCTn.com (Scot Condry)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 16:28:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Admin URLs wrong
Message-ID: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE28@rex.JCTn.com>

 
 
I have a home network with a windows server plus a linux box as a postfix mail server.  The linux box is also my firewall / router so it gets my static IP and an inside IP as the gateway (192.168.1.1).  Mailman is running and I created a list.  I can go to http://linuxbox.mydomain.com/mailman/admin/mylistname and the list admin page comes up, and lets me log in with my password.  But all of the links in the admin page point to http://mydomain.com/mailman, etc... not http://linuxbox.mydomain.com.    I made the destinction in DNS so that I could have my linux web server at http://linuxbox.mydomain.com   because I have a windows web server running on just the http://mydomain.com.
 
So my question is what created the links in the admin site and how do I make them point to my linux box.  Is it Mailman, is it Apache?  And where do I change it?  I already changed mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_URL_HOST to http://linuxbox.mydomain.com but it didnt seem to work.
 
Thanks
SC
 
 



From paul at thcwd.com  Fri May  7 02:03:51 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 19:03:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 3, Issue 17
In-Reply-To: <E1BLoIQ-0006Ej-Fa@mail.python.org>
References: <E1BLoIQ-0006Ej-Fa@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040506190211.01d66a00@127.0.0.1>

Franco, Ruben wrote:
>What about the stuff in "$MAILMANHOME/archives/public/$LISTNAME"?

      Because the path to the Mailman install can vary, it's given as 
something like $MAILMANHOME or <prefix>.  Likewise $LISTNAME or <listname> 
indicates the name of a list.

<>< Paul





From ben_lisle at pacific.net.au  Fri May  7 03:24:07 2004
From: ben_lisle at pacific.net.au (Ben Lisle)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 11:24:07 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery problems
Message-ID: <011501c433d1$fdc71280$1e14c80a@ozpacnet.office.pacific.net.au>

Hi,

Can anyone point me in the direction of a good troubleshooting guide for pin
pointing problems with mailman?  Specifically, it not delivering to a single
subscribed user?

We run about 55 sperate lists, they're all working perfectly, except for one
subscriber who doesn't get anything delivered.  I've trolled through some
logs and she is just not being forwarded the mails.

Thank you






From geoff at lanrex.com.au  Fri May  7 04:13:18 2004
From: geoff at lanrex.com.au (Geoff Powell)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 12:13:18 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change nomail property through script?
Message-ID: <49402F135E09A04CB6D9020C8E2A9728172C04@lrsydas2.lanrex.priv>

Hello

I have a quick question, was wondering how I could change user settings
(such as nomail to 1) from a script or command line utility rather than
the web interface? I am using Mailman version 2.1.4-1.  I looked in
/var/mailman/bin directory, none of the utilities there appear to be
able to do this, the list_members script seems useful for getting a list
of users who have nomail set to 1 though.

Does anyone have any ideas on how I can do it?

Thanks

Regards
Geoff



From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri May  7 04:14:58 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 11:14:58 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] News -> Mail: no mail! (repost)
In-Reply-To: <1C0FB8BA35390514891AE70369CE17CE@worldoff9908.sacbeemail.com>
References: <1C0FB8BA35390514891AE70369CE17CE@worldoff9908.sacbeemail.com>
Message-ID: <569DBEFC-9FCC-11D8-A3E7-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>


On May 6, 2004, at 06:40, NFN Smith wrote:

> I've checked all of my logs, including /var/log/maillog and
> /var/log/mailman/*, and there are no updates to any of these logs
> following gate_news runs.

What about your news log files (typically in /var/log/news/*)?  Do they 
show Mailman successfully talking to the server?

Did you try reseting the Usenet article number high water mark?  (Set 
the "Should Mailman perform a catchup on the newsgroup?" to Yes and 
Submit once.)




From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri May  7 04:56:46 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 11:56:46 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change user settings through command line
In-Reply-To: <49402F135E09A04CB6D9020C8E2A9728172BFD@lrsydas2.lanrex.priv>
References: <49402F135E09A04CB6D9020C8E2A9728172BFD@lrsydas2.lanrex.priv>
Message-ID: <2D9A241A-9FD2-11D8-A3E7-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On May 6, 2004, at 17:25, Geoff Powell wrote:

> Is it possible with Mailman 2.1.4-1 to change user settings from a
> command line tool? For example set nomail to 1 for a user on a mailing
> list? I looked in the bin directory and none of the utilities appear to
> be designed to do this, does anyone have any suggestions?

You can do this sort of thing with 'withlist'.

$ bin/withlist -l -i mylist
m.setDeliveryStatus('user at domain.com', MailList.MemberAdaptor.BYADMIN)
m.Save()
{ctrl-D}

If this is the sort of thing you are going to do often, you should 
create a little Python script to remember the messy bits and save some 
typing.  You could create  a file called nomail.py containing:

from Mailman.Errors import NotAMemberError
from Mailman.MemberAdaptor import BYADMIN

def nomail(m, addr):
     try:
         m.setDeliveryStatus(addr, BYADMIN)
         m.Save()
     except NotAMemberError:
         print 'No address matched:', addr

Then to disable someone, do (either explicitly or with a script or 
alias):

$ bin/withlist -l -r nomail mylist user at domain.com

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From haakon.strandenes at seilforening.no  Fri May  7 08:01:57 2004
From: haakon.strandenes at seilforening.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=E5kon?= Strandenes)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 08:01:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get mails from external POP3 accounts
In-Reply-To: <p06002025bcc0512a162e@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <1083874788.7256.7.camel@192.168.1.254>
	<p06002025bcc0512a162e@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <1083909717.2255.3.camel@192.168.1.254>

What user account should I set fetchmail to deliver the mails to? Does
it affect the mail delivery?

Is it any other tricks I have to know about?

Best regards
H??kon Strandenes

tor, 06.05.2004 kl. 22.32 skrev Brad Knowles:
> At 10:19 PM +0200 2004/05/06, H??kon Strandenes wrote:
> 
> >  How can I set up mailman/postfix to get mails form another, external
> >  pop3 account via fetchmail? I've already made the pop3 accounts, like
> >  listname-users at domain.com, listname-admins at domain.com etc. But how do I
> >  configure fetchmail, postfix and mailman?
> 
> 	The postfix and mailman configurations should be pretty much 
> completely independent of the fetchmail configuration.  Set up 
> fetchmail to download the e-mail from the remote server and deliver 
> it locally, and then postfix and mailman should take care of the rest.




From mailman-users at think.co.za  Fri May  7 08:01:47 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs)
Date: Fri,  7 May 2004 08:01:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get mails from external POP3 accounts
In-Reply-To: <1083874788.7256.7.camel@192.168.1.254>
References: <1083874788.7256.7.camel@192.168.1.254>
Message-ID: <1083909707.409b264bdab50@email.think.co.za>

Quoting H?kon Strandenes <haakon.strandenes at seilforening.no>:

> I have a Linux server running Mailman, Postfix and Fetchmail. I'm
> running this at home for a small sailing club, with approximately 10
> messages/day. The problem is that I have dynamic IP, and only a
> no-ip.com basic account.
> 
> But the sailing club is so lucky that they have a domain, a
> web/mailserver and unlimited number of pop3 accounts. So my question is:
> 
> How can I set up mailman/postfix to get mails form another, external
> pop3 account via fetchmail? I've already made the pop3 accounts, like
> listname-users at domain.com, listname-admins at domain.com etc. But how do I
> configure fetchmail, postfix and mailman?
> 
If I understand you correctly, you want to be able to post to the list outside 
of your environment (at home). You want fetchmail to collect 'outside' posts 
and send them to the list?

If so, then create external POP3 accounts, but in the virtusertable (or 
similar) make sure the entries are something like this....

yourlistname-request at yourdomain.org.no        yourlistname-request

Do this for all the entries required (post, admin, bounces, confirm, join, 
leave, onwer, subscribe, unsubscribe etc).

Then in your fetchmail script, instead of dumping mail to a local account, do 
this....

user yourlistname-request with pass password is yourlistname-request

The last bit corresponds to the entry in your aliases table. So instead of 
dumping the mail into a local account, it passes it through the aliases table 
just like normal port 25 mail would do.

I hope this all makes sense and if any of the more experienced guys (like 
BradK) know of a better or cleaner way to do this, please shout.

-- 
Regards
Hilton




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri May  7 08:49:00 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 08:49:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get mails from external POP3 accounts
In-Reply-To: <1083909717.2255.3.camel@192.168.1.254>
References: <1083874788.7256.7.camel@192.168.1.254>	
	<p06002025bcc0512a162e@[10.0.1.2]>
	<1083909717.2255.3.camel@192.168.1.254>
Message-ID: <p0600202cbcc0e1691715@[10.0.1.2]>

At 8:01 AM +0200 2004/05/07, H?kon Strandenes wrote:

>  What user account should I set fetchmail to deliver the mails to? Does
>  it affect the mail delivery?

	I think Hilton has already covered this.  It does make a 
difference, because otherwise you'd have the wrong messages going to 
the wrong mailing lists.

>  Is it any other tricks I have to know about?

	You also have to have your ISP give you some sort of way of 
distinguishing between the various different addresses that get 
delivered to your account.  Otherwise, all those messages are going 
to come in and look like they are delivered to you, and you won't 
know what to do with them.

	I think this issue is pretty well explained in the fetchmail documentation.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Fri May  7 10:19:03 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 13:49:03 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman and Postfix question
Message-ID: <11339.195.212.28.100.1083917943.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Mailman and Postfix question
From: "Yogesh Subhash Talekar" <yogesh at unipune.ernet.in>
Date: Thu, May 6, 2004 2:11 pm
To: <james at hdcs.com.au>

Mailman Installation and Configuration Howto:

1.	Make sure that all software required to run mailman is already
installed (python etc)
2.	Remove old mailman with: #rpm ?e mailman
3.	Remove the directory: # rm ?rf /var/lib/mailman
4.	Again create empty directory mailman: #mkdir /var/lib/mailman
5.	Make sure that a user ?mailman? and group ?mailman? exists
6.	Set permissions of /var/lib/mailman with setgid:
#chown mailman.mailman /var/lib/mailman
# chmod a+rx ,g+ws /var/lib/mailman
7.	Create /var/mailman to hold mailman archives, list configs, etc: #
mkdir /var/mailman ; chgrp mailman /var/mailman
# chmod a+rx,g+ws /var/mailman
8.	Configure and build mailman as user mailman:
# su - mailman
$ tar zxf /tmp/mailman-2.1.x.tgz; cd mailman-2.1.x
$ ./configure --prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-var-prefix=/var/mailman
--with-cgi-gid=nogroup
$ make install
9.	As root do following:
Create a file ?/etc/httpd/mailman.conf? with following contents:
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /archives/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
<Directory /var/mailman/archives>
        		Options +FollowSymLinks
</Directory>

10.	And the add following line to the bottom of the file
suse_include.conf (or httpd.conf): Include /etc/httpd/mailman.conf

11.	Also copy the mailman?s icons to Apache:
cp /var/lib/mailman/icons/* /srv/www/icons/

12.	Setup crontab file required for mailman:
# cat ~mailman/cron/crontab.in | sed -e 's# /# mailman /#' >
/etc/cron.d/mailman
# chmod 600 /etc/cron.d/mailman
13.	If required add following mailman aliases to /etc/aliases and then
run ?newliases? command:
mailman: root
mailman-owner: mailman

14.	Add a site-wide list mailman with command:
/var/lib/mailman/bin/newlist mailman
And also give one email ID for administrator

15.	Add entry for /var/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl daemon in /etc/rc.d/
and /etc/rc3.d/ so that the daemon start when machine boots

16.	Set the mailman password (e.g. to mydomain321):
# /var/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass mydomain321

17.	Add the mailman alias map to postfix-out, so edit
/etc/postfix-out/main.cf and add hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases to the
alias_maps line and run 'postfix reload' (Remove anyother hash map
labeled as mailman if the corresponding file does not exist)

18.	Set the mailman delivery scripts to be executable:
# chmod +x /var/lib/mailman/scripts/*

19.	Change following line in /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py as
follows: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomainmail.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = '57.193.32.72'


Install and configure Apache:

1.	Check weather its is already installed with ?rpm ?qa | grep apache?
2.	# mkdir /var/log/httpd
3.	# chown nobody.nobody /var/log/httpd/
4.	Start apache using # /etc/rc.d/apache start
5.


Creating a new list:


1.	Run /var/lib/mailman/bin/newlist and answer prompts accordingly. If
your are adding a new list named ?test at mydomainmail.com?, it will output
following lines on the screen:
test:              		"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test"
test-admin:        	"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin test"
test-bounces:      	"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test"
test-confirm:      	"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test"
test-join:         		"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join test"
test-leave:        	"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave test"
test-owner:        	"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner test"
test-request:      	"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request test"
test-subscribe:    	"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test"
test-unsubscribe:  	"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test"

2.	Login as user mailman (important) and Add these lines to
/var/mailman/data/aliases and then run
?$ /usr/sbin/postalias /var/mailman/data/aliases?
3.	Edit the file ?/var/mailman/data/sitelist.cfg? to suit your
requirements. You can also save it as ?mailman-list.cfg? to have
configuration of mailman list or save it as ?any-other-list.cfg? to save
configuration specific to that list.
4.	Then you can configure the this new list called ?mailman? using:
/var/lib/mailman/bin/config_list  -i /var/mailman/data/sitelist.cfg
mailman
5.	Syntax is:?/path/to/config_list  -i
/var/mailman/data/any-other-list.cfg listname?
6.



Changes for working with Postfix:

1.	Add following two lines to main.cf
owner_request_special = no
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
2.	Add this to the bottom of the $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file:
  	MTA = 'Postfix'
3.	Look at the Defaults.py file for the variables POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD and
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD command.  Make sure these point to your postalias and
postmap programs respectively.  Remember that if you need to make
changes, do it in mm_cfg.py
4.	Virtual Domains: We are setting up ?lists.mydomainmail.com? for
mailing lists
5.	Add a line ?lists.mydomainmail.com   DOMAIN?  to
/etc/postfix-out/virtual 6.	In main.cf add line ?virtual_maps =
hash:/etc/postfix-out/virtual, hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman?
7.	Set  POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS variable accordingly in mm_cfg.py


For Web-based Admin Interface:
links http://localhost/mailman/admin/ylist





>
> Hello everybody :-),
>
> Very very very newbie here, I am looking at using mailman with my
> postfix setup and I looked through some of the howto's on the net on
> how to set it up but they don't seem very newbie friendly, can anyone
> suggest a very basic howto to setup mailman with postfix, I just need
> it for 1 list for a few email addresses on a very simple setup.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> James


--yogesh

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring
them all and in the darkness bind them.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


--yogesh

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them
all and in the darkness bind them.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++






From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Fri May  7 10:25:45 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 13:55:45 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Admin URLs wrong
Message-ID: <23397.195.212.28.100.1083918345.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>


you can change that mydomain.com to linuxbox.mydomain.com like this:

Login as user mailman (or use "su - mailman"):

% python -i bin/withlist -l mylist
Loading list mylist (locked)
>>> m.web_page_url
'http://mydomain.com/broken-path/'
>>> m.web_page_url = 'http://linuxbox.mydomain.com/mailman/'
>>> m.Save()
>>> ^D

That's it!

--yogesh



>
>
> I have a home network with a windows server plus a linux box as a
> postfix mail server.  The linux box is also my firewall / router so it
> gets my static IP and an inside IP as the gateway (192.168.1.1).
> Mailman is running and I created a list.  I can go to
> http://linuxbox.mydomain.com/mailman/admin/mylistname and the list
> admin page comes up, and lets me log in with my password.  But all of
> the links in the admin page point to http://mydomain.com/mailman,
> etc... not http://linuxbox.mydomain.com.    I made the destinction in
> DNS so that I could have my linux web server at
> http://linuxbox.mydomain.com   because I have a windows web server
> running on just the http://mydomain.com.
>
> So my question is what created the links in the admin site and how do
> I make them point to my linux box.  Is it Mailman, is it Apache?  And
> where do I change it?  I already changed mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_URL_HOST to
> http://linuxbox.mydomain.com but it didnt seem to work.
>
> Thanks
> SC
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


--yogesh

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring
them all and in the darkness bind them.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


--yogesh

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them
all and in the darkness bind them.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++






From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Fri May  7 10:26:04 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 13:56:04 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Admin URLs wrong
Message-ID: <23791.195.212.28.100.1083918364.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>


you can change that mydomain.com to linuxbox.mydomain.com like this:

Login as user mailman (or use "su - mailman"):

% python -i bin/withlist -l mylist
Loading list mylist (locked)
>>> m.web_page_url
'http://mydomain.com/broken-path/'
>>> m.web_page_url = 'http://linuxbox.mydomain.com/mailman/'
>>> m.Save()
>>> ^D

That's it!

--yogesh



>
>
> I have a home network with a windows server plus a linux box as a
> postfix mail server.  The linux box is also my firewall / router so it
> gets my static IP and an inside IP as the gateway (192.168.1.1).
> Mailman is running and I created a list.  I can go to
> http://linuxbox.mydomain.com/mailman/admin/mylistname and the list
> admin page comes up, and lets me log in with my password.  But all of
> the links in the admin page point to http://mydomain.com/mailman,
> etc... not http://linuxbox.mydomain.com.    I made the destinction in
> DNS so that I could have my linux web server at
> http://linuxbox.mydomain.com   because I have a windows web server
> running on just the http://mydomain.com.
>
> So my question is what created the links in the admin site and how do
> I make them point to my linux box.  Is it Mailman, is it Apache?  And
> where do I change it?  I already changed mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_URL_HOST to
> http://linuxbox.mydomain.com but it didnt seem to work.
>
> Thanks
> SC
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


--yogesh

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring
them all and in the darkness bind them.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


--yogesh

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them
all and in the darkness bind them.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++






From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri May  7 11:07:14 2004
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 11:07:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete list archives
References: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB73D0F90@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
Message-ID: <soylent-green-mm-m2r7twbo71.fsf@neubauer-cvk.charite.de>

"Franco, Ruben" <rufranco at utep.edu> writes:

> What about the stuff in "$MAILMANHOME/archives/public/$LISTNAME"?

All.

Example:

$MAILMANHOME is /home/mailman, $LISTNAME is foobar.

Then delete all stuff in the directory
/home/mailman/archives/public/foobar/ and
/home/mailman/archives/public/foobar.mbox/. Don't delete the
directorys.


Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Detlef Neubauer
-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From geoff at lanrex.com.au  Fri May  7 11:21:52 2004
From: geoff at lanrex.com.au (Geoff Powell)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 19:21:52 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change user settings through command line
Message-ID: <49402F135E09A04CB6D9020C8E2A9728172C28@lrsydas2.lanrex.priv>

Jim,

Thankyou, the code you have put forward makes sense and is what I
wanted. After making a few small mods, it's now doing what I want. I
have also found some other good examples of 'withlist' usage which
helped.

One further question though :), the permissions on most of Mailman's
files on the system in /var/mailman are owned by root with gid of
mailman, mask 0744. My question is, if I do not want to run my scripts
as root, is it fine for me to modify the permissions on these files, or
is this likely to cause unexpected results for the web front end/system
python scripts? Even if I add users to the mailman group, they are
unlikely to have full access to the mailman databases etc.

Thanks & Regards

Geoff

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:jwt at onjapan.net] 
> Sent: Friday, 7 May 2004 12:57 PM
> To: Geoff Powell
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Change user settings through command line
> 
> 
> On May 6, 2004, at 17:25, Geoff Powell wrote:
> 
> > Is it possible with Mailman 2.1.4-1 to change user settings from a 
> > command line tool? For example set nomail to 1 for a user 
> on a mailing 
> > list? I looked in the bin directory and none of the 
> utilities appear 
> > to be designed to do this, does anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> You can do this sort of thing with 'withlist'.
> 
> $ bin/withlist -l -i mylist 
> m.setDeliveryStatus('user at domain.com', MailList.MemberAdaptor.BYADMIN)
> m.Save()
> {ctrl-D}
> 
> If this is the sort of thing you are going to do often, you should 
> create a little Python script to remember the messy bits and 
> save some 
> typing.  You could create  a file called nomail.py containing:
> 
> from Mailman.Errors import NotAMemberError
> from Mailman.MemberAdaptor import BYADMIN
> 
> def nomail(m, addr):
>      try:
>          m.setDeliveryStatus(addr, BYADMIN)
>          m.Save()
>      except NotAMemberError:
>          print 'No address matched:', addr
> 
> Then to disable someone, do (either explicitly or with a script or 
> alias):
> 
> $ bin/withlist -l -r nomail mylist user at domain.com
> 
> -- 
> Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
> Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
> Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html
> 
> 



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri May  7 11:45:09 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 10:45:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Admin URLs wrong
In-Reply-To: <23791.195.212.28.100.1083918364.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
References: <23791.195.212.28.100.1083918364.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
Message-ID: <3A50DE0A-A00B-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

But it is simpler to run the $prefix/bin/fix_url.py script and ensure 
the entire job is done.

On 7 May 2004, at 09:26, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:

>
> you can change that mydomain.com to linuxbox.mydomain.com like this:
>
> Login as user mailman (or use "su - mailman"):
>
> % python -i bin/withlist -l mylist
> Loading list mylist (locked)
>>>> m.web_page_url
> 'http://mydomain.com/broken-path/'
>>>> m.web_page_url = 'http://linuxbox.mydomain.com/mailman/'
>>>> m.Save()
>>>> ^D
>
> That's it!
>
> --yogesh
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> I have a home network with a windows server plus a linux box as a
>> postfix mail server.  The linux box is also my firewall / router so it
>> gets my static IP and an inside IP as the gateway (192.168.1.1).
>> Mailman is running and I created a list.  I can go to
>> http://linuxbox.mydomain.com/mailman/admin/mylistname and the list
>> admin page comes up, and lets me log in with my password.  But all of
>> the links in the admin page point to http://mydomain.com/mailman,
>> etc... not http://linuxbox.mydomain.com.    I made the destinction in
>> DNS so that I could have my linux web server at
>> http://linuxbox.mydomain.com   because I have a windows web server
>> running on just the http://mydomain.com.
>>
>> So my question is what created the links in the admin site and how do
>> I make them point to my linux box.  Is it Mailman, is it Apache?  And
>> where do I change it?  I already changed mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_URL_HOST to
>> http://linuxbox.mydomain.com but it didnt seem to work.
>>
>> Thanks
>> SC
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> Searchable Archives:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>
> --yogesh
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring
> them all and in the darkness bind them.
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> --yogesh
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring 
> them
> all and in the darkness bind them.
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri May  7 11:50:49 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 18:50:49 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change user settings through command line
In-Reply-To: <49402F135E09A04CB6D9020C8E2A9728172C28@lrsydas2.lanrex.priv>
References: <49402F135E09A04CB6D9020C8E2A9728172C28@lrsydas2.lanrex.priv>
Message-ID: <0538D9AF-A00C-11D8-B113-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On May 7, 2004, at 18:21, Geoff Powell wrote:

> One further question though :), the permissions on most of Mailman's
> files on the system in /var/mailman are owned by root with gid of
> mailman, mask 0744. My question is, if I do not want to run my scripts
> as root, is it fine for me to modify the permissions on these files, or
> is this likely to cause unexpected results for the web front end/system
> python scripts? Even if I add users to the mailman group, they are
> unlikely to have full access to the mailman databases etc.

I would expect your mailman list databases already to be group 
writeable by the mailman group.  (Check the files in 
/usr/local/mailman/lists/** or maybe /var/mailman/lists/** in your 
case.)




From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri May  7 11:51:07 2004
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 18:51:07 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List security
In-Reply-To: <VA.000018ae.026a780d@virtual-access.org> (Kai Schaetzl's
	message of "Thu, 06 May 2004 22:19:23 +0200")
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405061201090.13435@seyyav.pair.com>
	<VA.000018ae.026a780d@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <87hdus7egk.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Kai" == Kai Schaetzl <maillists at conactive.com> writes:

    Kai> So, put "Approved: password" in the first line or as a
    Kai> header. Note, this will be parsed away and NOT distributed to
    Kai> the list, don't worry!

Well, worry a little.  It's cleartext, so unless you're using a VPN/
encrypted channels/intranet-only you have to be aware that it can be
sniffed off the 'net.  Also, if you bypass the list for some
recipients (eg, a wide reply), they'll get it.  And of course
passwords are relatively weak security if they're mnemonic.

If security means "against spam/viruses", likely you don't need to be
so paranoid.

-- 
Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences     http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.



From all at tikklik.nl  Thu May  6 23:00:41 2004
From: all at tikklik.nl (tikkliknl)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 22:00:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner
Message-ID: <20040506210041.M37259@tikklik.nl>

Well it was a new install, but there was an old not used version pressent.
i installed python 2.3.3
looking at ps -aux i see this:

mailman  28884  0.1  0.9  5964 4792 ?        S    22:55   0:00 
python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start
mailman  28885  2.8  0.8  5736 4600 ?        S    22:55   
0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  28886  3.0  0.8  5748 4612 ?        S    22:55   
0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  28887  2.8  0.8  5740 4596 ?        S    22:55   
0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  28888  2.8  0.8  5744 4600 ?        S    22:55   
0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  28889  3.1  0.8  5752 4636 ?        S    22:55   
0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  28890  2.9  0.9  5764 4668 ?        S    22:55   
0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  28891  2.9  0.8  5744 4600 ?        S    22:55   
0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  28892  3.3  0.8  5736 4600 ?        S    22:55   
0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s

only thing i changed was when starting mailmanctl it looked for qrunner but 
he didnt find it so i put t there fronm the install files.


thanxs 
steffan.

> Hello did a new install of mailman 2.1.4 now cron gives this error
>
> File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 96
>     print >> fd, _(__doc__)
>            ^
> SyntaxError: invalid syntax

> any idees
>

what version of python are you running? the README says


MM 2.1.x normally operates its qrunners as daemons, unlike MM 2.0.x which 
used a cron executed qrunner.

You appear to have a cron based qrunner yet say you are running a newly 
installed MM 2.1.4.

Did you install this over an earlier MM 2.0.x install and if so did you 
remove the old crontab before installing the one for the newer release?



From info at tikklik.nl  Thu May  6 21:07:22 2004
From: info at tikklik.nl (Tik & Klik Internetdiensten)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 20:07:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Emails not processing
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040506123450.01e4a280@127.0.0.1>
References: <E1BLlDf-0003BT-FK@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040506123450.01e4a280@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <20040506190722.M44419@tikklik.nl>

Well een reinstall did the trick all works fine now.
just now looking in all the futures
mayby you can give one hint
 i only wnat to be able to mail the list

all members that post to the list must be bounced.
im sure i will find this option but a hint will be nice :-)

On Thu, 06 May 2004 12:36:56 -0500, Paul H Byerly wrote
> Steffan Noord  wrote:
> >I did a fresh install of version 2.1.4
> >Installation went fine browser is up
> >Cron is running aliases is set
> 
>       That version runs as a daemon, not from cron - did you do 
> <[prefix>/mailman/ bin/mailmanctl start?
> 
> <>< Paul







From info at tikklik.nl  Thu May  6 22:02:12 2004
From: info at tikklik.nl (Tik & Klik Internetdiensten)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:02:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron problems
Message-ID: <20040506200212.M7669@tikklik.nl>


Hello,
 after 2 time im getting mailman 2.1.4 running
but im getting a cron error:
 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 96
    print >> fd, _(__doc__)
           ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax



any idees,

Greats Steffan



From estellevw at speakeasy.net  Thu May  6 23:00:44 2004
From: estellevw at speakeasy.net (Estelle Weyl)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:00:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing a list name
Message-ID: <EHEEIDLACNCCOOMKDJABEEBOGFAA.estellevw@speakeasy.net>

Is there a way to change the name of an existing list.  I have been
searching far and wide on the server for a place to use the vi editor to
edit a database file or something on the server, but I can't find where
"real_name" variable is stored.

Thanks for any guidance.

-Estelle




From info at tikklik.nl  Fri May  7 11:26:43 2004
From: info at tikklik.nl (Tik & Klik Internetdiensten)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 11:26:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner
In-Reply-To: <6E778169-9FA5-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200405070926.i479Qfn09060@mail1.tikklik.nl>

Thanks for the time.
I notied a old cronjob running.
 
That was the problem with the errors
Its oke now.



Met vriendelijke groet,
 
Steffan Noord
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] Namens Richard Barrett
Verzonden: donderdag 6 mei 2004 23:36
Aan: tikkliknl
CC: mailman-users at python.org
Onderwerp: Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner

On 6 May 2004, at 22:00, tikkliknl wrote:

> Well it was a new install, but there was an old not used version 
> pressent.
> i installed python 2.3.3

Did you install it in the same location as and replacing any previous
version of python on the system?

> looking at ps -aux i see this:
>
> mailman  28884  0.1  0.9  5964 4792 ?        S    22:55   0:00
> python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start
> mailman  28885  2.8  0.8  5736 4600 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
> mailman  28886  3.0  0.8  5748 4612 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
> mailman  28887  2.8  0.8  5740 4596 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
> mailman  28888  2.8  0.8  5744 4600 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
> mailman  28889  3.1  0.8  5752 4636 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
> mailman  28890  2.9  0.9  5764 4668 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
> mailman  28891  2.9  0.8  5744 4600 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
> mailman  28892  3.3  0.8  5736 4600 ?        S    22:55
> 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --
> runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s
>
> only thing i changed was when starting mailmanctl it looked for 
> qrunner but he didnt find it

which indicates something went wrong with your installation if your install
$prefix was /home/mailman and the 'make install' did not put a copy of the
MM 2.1.4 qrunner into /home/mailman/bin

> so i put t there

put what from where to where?

> fronm the install files.

If the 'make install' had executed correctly you should not have had to copy
over/install any files by hand.

MM 2.1.4 does not normally execute a file called $prefix/cron/qrunner and
not from its normal crontab. If cron is trying to execute a qrunner scr8pt
it is probably the old Mailman installation's crontab that is so doing. Did
you check that this had been removed before you installed the new MM 2.1.4
crontab? Did you install the MM 2.1.4 crontab?

The syntax error you reported originally could come about if:

1. your old MM crontab was not removed

2. you copied a copy of the MM 2.1.4 qrunner into $prefix/cron/

3. your old MM crontab referenced an older python installation still on your
system and not the Python 2.3.3 you have installed

4. as a result, an entry in the old MM crontab tried to execute the
(daemon) qrunner used by MM 2.1.4 with an old version of python which saw a
feature used in the new code as being a syntax error

> thanxs
> steffan.
>
>> Hello did a new install of mailman 2.1.4 now cron gives this error
>>
>> File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 96
>>     print >> fd, _(__doc__)
>>            ^
>> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>
>> any idees
>>
>
> what version of python are you running? the README says
>
>
> MM 2.1.x normally operates its qrunners as daemons, unlike MM 2.0.x 
> which used a cron executed qrunner.
>
> You appear to have a cron based qrunner yet say you are running a 
> newly installed MM 2.1.4.
>
> Did you install this over an earlier MM 2.0.x install and if so did 
> you remove the old crontab before installing the one for the newer
release?
>


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From ajd12 at cwru.edu  Thu May  6 17:35:56 2004
From: ajd12 at cwru.edu (Anthony Diak)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:35:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200405061535.BBG32874@mirapoint2.tis.cwru.edu>

Hello all.  I am having some problems with a mailman list I am trying to
setup.  

 

First let me tell you my configuration:

 

Xserve G4 10.3 Server

Mailman 2.1.2 (os x package-part of the server)

Everything is up to date - all patches and updates

 

What the people who want the list setup want is to have every post be
moderated, no matter what.  I figured out how to do this simply enough.
They also want the moderator to receive emails whenever a post is submitted
so that they can approve it asap.  I set a password different from the admin
password for the moderator, and supplied a moderator in the moderator field.
I turned on "Should the list moderators get immediate notice of new
requests, as well as daily notices about collected ones" to Yes, and to my
understanding, the moderator should get messages whenever I send a message
to the list.  The posts are being send to the moderation que and await
moderation, but the moderator never gets an email saying there are requests
waiting.  Is there something I'm missing, a bug in this version, or
something else?

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

 

Thank you,

Anthony.



From hilton at think.co.za  Fri May  7 07:54:18 2004
From: hilton at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs)
Date: Fri,  7 May 2004 07:54:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get mails from external POP3 accounts
In-Reply-To: <1083874788.7256.7.camel@192.168.1.254>
References: <1083874788.7256.7.camel@192.168.1.254>
Message-ID: <1083909258.409b248a8a2fb@email.think.co.za>

Quoting H?kon Strandenes <haakon.strandenes at seilforening.no>:

> I have a Linux server running Mailman, Postfix and Fetchmail. I'm
> running this at home for a small sailing club, with approximately 10
> messages/day. The problem is that I have dynamic IP, and only a
> no-ip.com basic account.
> 
> But the sailing club is so lucky that they have a domain, a
> web/mailserver and unlimited number of pop3 accounts. So my question is:
> 
> How can I set up mailman/postfix to get mails form another, external
> pop3 account via fetchmail? I've already made the pop3 accounts, like
> listname-users at domain.com, listname-admins at domain.com etc. But how do I
> configure fetchmail, postfix and mailman?

If I understand you correctly, you want to be able to post to the list outside 
of your environment (at home). You want fetchmail to collect 'outside' posts 
and send them to the list?

If so, then create external POP3 accounts, but in the virtusertable (or 
similar) make sure the entries are something like this....

yourlistname-request at yourdomain.org.no        yourlistname-request

Do this for all the entries required (post, admin, bounces, confirm, join, 
leave, onwer, subscribe, unsubscribe etc).

Then in your fetchmail script, instead of dumping mail to a local account, do 
this....

user yourlistname-request with pass password is yourlistname-request

The last bit corresponds to the entry in your aliases table. So instead of 
dumping the mail into a local account, it passes it through the aliases table 
just like normal port 25 mail would do.

I hope this all makes sense and if any of the more experienced guys (like 
BradK) know of a better or cleaner way to do this, please shout.

-- 
Regards
Hilton



From hilton at think.co.za  Fri May  7 08:00:07 2004
From: hilton at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs)
Date: Fri,  7 May 2004 08:00:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get mails from external POP3 accounts
In-Reply-To: <1083874788.7256.7.camel@192.168.1.254>
References: <1083874788.7256.7.camel@192.168.1.254>
Message-ID: <1083909607.409b25e7d5d64@email.think.co.za>

Quoting H?kon Strandenes <haakon.strandenes at seilforening.no>:

> I have a Linux server running Mailman, Postfix and Fetchmail. I'm
> running this at home for a small sailing club, with approximately 10
> messages/day. The problem is that I have dynamic IP, and only a
> no-ip.com basic account.
> 
> But the sailing club is so lucky that they have a domain, a
> web/mailserver and unlimited number of pop3 accounts. So my question is:
> 
> How can I set up mailman/postfix to get mails form another, external
> pop3 account via fetchmail? I've already made the pop3 accounts, like
> listname-users at domain.com, listname-admins at domain.com etc. But how do I
> configure fetchmail, postfix and mailman?

If I understand you correctly, you want to be able to post to the list outside 
of your environment (at home). You want fetchmail to collect 'outside' posts 
and send them to the list?

If so, then create external POP3 accounts, but in the virtusertable (or 
similar) make sure the entries are something like this....

yourlistname-request at yourdomain.org.no        yourlistname-request

Do this for all the entries required (post, admin, bounces, confirm, join, 
leave, onwer, subscribe, unsubscribe etc).

Then in your fetchmail script, instead of dumping mail to a local account, do 
this....

user yourlistname-request with pass password is yourlistname-request

The last bit corresponds to the entry in your aliases table. So instead of 
dumping the mail into a local account, it passes it through the aliases table 
just like normal port 25 mail would do.

I hope this all makes sense and if any of the more experienced guys (like 
BradK) know of a better or cleaner way to do this, please shout.

-- 
Regards
Hilton




From rsipes at utmem.edu  Fri May  7 16:05:49 2004
From: rsipes at utmem.edu (Rick Sipes)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 09:05:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
Message-ID: <409B97BD.5080903@utmem.edu>

I'm so very sorry to trouble you but I'm unable to figure out something 
on our Mailman 2.1.4 list server.  I'm not a technical person, and I've 
tried my best to find the information within the help and docs, but I'm 
just stumped.

Sometimes, when a posting goes out over a list, recipients see the 
following ...


  -----Original Message-----
  From: listname-bounces at listserv.utmem.edu
  [mailto:listname-bounces at listserv.utmem.edu]On Behalf Of Rick Sipes
  Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 10:55 AM
  To: listname at listserv.utmem.edu
  Subject: [owners] Blah Blah Blah  ...


What I'm talking about is instead of seeing it from me 
(rsipes at utmem.edu) for example, some, but not all of the recipients see 
it coming from *-bounces at listserv.utmem.edu .  I have bounce processing 
turned off for the list.

The messages do get delivered, and other than confusion, it is working.

I love the software.  We run it on a Red Hat Linux box for our small 
campus here in Memphis.  It has about 135 lists on it.

Anyway, thanks for any help you can point me toward!!!

Sincerely,

Rick Sipes
Memphis, Tennessee
901-448-5848






From vasil at cs.utk.edu  Fri May  7 18:17:43 2004
From: vasil at cs.utk.edu (David Vasil)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 12:17:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron problems
In-Reply-To: <20040506200212.M7669@tikklik.nl>
References: <20040506200212.M7669@tikklik.nl>
Message-ID: <20040507161743.GA26341@cs.utk.edu>

On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 09:02:12PM +0100, Tik & Klik Internetdiensten <info at tikklik.nl> wrote:
> Hello,
>  after 2 time im getting mailman 2.1.4 running
> but im getting a cron error:
>  /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> 
> File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 96
>     print >> fd, _(__doc__)
>            ^
> SyntaxError: invalid syntax

You should not be running the mailman qrunner out of cron with
version 2.1.4.  Please read the documentation for the upgrade
process from 2.0.x to 2.1.x in the base of the src directory.

In version 2.1.4 you should be using the mailmanctl script to
control the qrunners.

-- 
+------------------------------------------------------------+
| Dave Vasil                                vasil at cs.utk.edu |
| University of Tennessee             Computer Science Dept. |
| UTKCS Systems Administrator                   865-974-8364 |
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From mlb at chroma.com  Fri May  7 19:10:59 2004
From: mlb at chroma.com (Michael Balamuth)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 13:10:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] True anonymous list?
Message-ID: <E1BM8sH-0007P9-3m@mail.python.org>

Hello list,
We have been using Mailman 2.0.13 for quite some time, but never with the
intention of creating a genuinely anonymous mailing list.  Now, we have a
reason to do so, but I have been unable to completely hide the originator
(poster's) email address from the headers of the sent mail.  Obviously,
anyone knowing how to read the headers will find the address of the poster.
So, is there a way to make a list anonymous even at this level?  Any help
appreciated.  For completeness, I believe I have followed the FAQ's and help
and set explicit-reply to and hide posters address etc. correctly... Maybe
not?
 
Thanks,
Michael Balamuth
mlb at chroma.com


From jp at warpix.org  Fri May  7 19:38:19 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 18:38:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
Message-ID: <20040507183819.O85@warpix.org>


How can I go about setting DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST when building Mailman?


-- 
John






From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Fri May  7 19:55:48 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 13:55:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
In-Reply-To: <20040507183819.O85@warpix.org>
References: <20040507183819.O85@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <20040507175548.GJ1995@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

John Poltorak wrote:
> How can I go about setting DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST when building Mailman?

./configure --help
[...]
  --with-mailhost      specify the hostname part for outgoing email
  --with-urlhost       specify the hostname part of urls
[...]

- -- 
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    -- Thomas Paine

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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri May  7 20:39:17 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 20:39:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
In-Reply-To: <409B97BD.5080903@utmem.edu>
References: <409B97BD.5080903@utmem.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600202fbcc186c3d953@[10.0.1.2]>

At 9:05 AM -0500 2004/05/07, Rick Sipes wrote:

>  What I'm talking about is instead of seeing it from me (rsipes at utmem.edu)
>  for example, some, but not all of the recipients see it coming from
>  *-bounces at listserv.utmem.edu .  I have bounce processing turned off for
>  the list.

	The problem is almost certainly because some clients display 
different addresses for the messages they receive.

>  The messages do get delivered, and other than confusion, it is working.

	The envelope sender address is unchanged, what changes is which 
client displays what.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From ac-pilot at netpath.net  Sat May  8 04:52:05 2004
From: ac-pilot at netpath.net (Roger D Medlin)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 22:52:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove from Mailing List
Message-ID: <011201c434a8$41ee41a0$3ac16bd1@roger>

As of May 8th please remove ac-pilot at netpath.net from
your mailing list. 

Thanks

From mic at npgx.com.au  Sat May  8 05:20:53 2004
From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 13:20:53 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Advice for upgrading Mailman
Message-ID: <20040508030429.M87581@npgx.com.au>

Hi,

I'm just after some advice and/or experiences from people here.

I run mailman-2.0.13-3 on Red Hat 8, I know it's old which is why I'm asking 
for this upgrade path. I run several lists with archives.

I have many Fedora Core 1 machines in production and they have installed 
mailman-2.1.4-1 but don't run any lists.

I also have an Alpha machine running Debian (Woody) with mailman 2.0.11 
installed on it.

So my questions are:

* should I look at upgrading to FC1's mailman or Debian (Alpha)?

* if going to to FC1, what do I have to do to perform this? 

Note here that I'm keeping the RH8 mailserver (call it host1) but would like 
to "move" the lists, members and archives to FC1 (host2) and still have 
everything work.

The reason I bring up the Alpha is that it's a powerful server which currently 
does nothing, I was thinking of serving Web pages or FTP site or something but 
then thought why not just move the mailman stuff to it.

Any ideas, suggestions or comments are most welcome. I've never had to migrate 
mailman in the past so I'm not sure where to start exactly.

Michael.




From mailman-users at think.co.za  Sat May  8 08:22:04 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs)
Date: Sat,  8 May 2004 08:22:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove from Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <011201c434a8$41ee41a0$3ac16bd1@roger>
References: <011201c434a8$41ee41a0$3ac16bd1@roger>
Message-ID: <1083997324.409c7c8c2aece@email.think.co.za>

Quoting Roger D Medlin <ac-pilot at netpath.net>:

> As of May 8th please remove ac-pilot at netpath.net from
> your mailing list. 
> 

Reminds me of that song by Joan Armatrading...

'Drop the pilot'. :-)

Seriously Roger, you need to visit 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users and unsubscribe yourself.

-- 
Regards
Hilton





From sean at 77002.com  Sat May  8 10:41:33 2004
From: sean at 77002.com (Sean Carnahan)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 03:41:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1083997324.409c7c8c2aece@email.think.co.za>
Message-ID: <E1BMNOn-0007gJ-N2@mars.hostingapi.com>

Is there a way to mass remove members that are flagged as excessive bounces?




From jwt at onjapan.net  Sat May  8 11:42:46 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 18:42:46 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <E1BMNOn-0007gJ-N2@mars.hostingapi.com>
References: <E1BMNOn-0007gJ-N2@mars.hostingapi.com>
Message-ID: <0FA910A7-A0D4-11D8-989E-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On May 8, 2004, at 17:41, Sean Carnahan wrote:
> Is there a way to mass remove members that are flagged as excessive 
> bounces?

You can get a list of members whose subscriptions to 'mylist' have been 
disabled by bounces using
   'bin/list_members --nomail=bybounce mylist'
and you can unsubscribe members using bin/remove_members.

$ bin/list_members --nomail=bybounce mylist | bin/remove_members -n -N 
-f - mylist

(Check the options for remove_members.  You may want to use --fromall 
as well.)



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From mic at npgx.com.au  Sat May  8 12:42:00 2004
From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 20:42:00 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird error after upgrade
Message-ID: <20040508103922.M25442@npgx.com.au>

Hi,

I've recently performed an upgrade from 2.0.13 to 2.1.4, all list and such 
were migrated fine.

I run Fedora Core 1. When I try to start the service, I get the following 
error:

# service mailman start
Site list is missing: mailman

and the mailmanctl process doesn't exist.

Going through the startup script it shows the following command is run on 
startup:

# /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start

So running that manually also produces the following error:

Site list is missing: mailman

Any ideas what this means? and how I can fix it?

Thanks.

Michael.



From jp at warpix.org  Sat May  8 12:48:48 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 11:48:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-discard notification
Message-ID: <20040508114847.W85@warpix.org>



Is there any to make auto-discard notification work quietly?

I just don't want scores of email telling me posts by non-subscribers have 
been discarded.


-- 
John





From jwt at onjapan.net  Sat May  8 13:16:53 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 20:16:53 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird error after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20040508103922.M25442@npgx.com.au>
References: <20040508103922.M25442@npgx.com.au>
Message-ID: <35A80C46-A0E1-11D8-989E-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On May 8, 2004, at 19:42, Michael Mansour wrote:

> Site list is missing: mailman
>
> Any ideas what this means? and how I can fix it?

Mailman 2.1.2 and later presume the existence of a site-wide list  
called 'mailman', which is used for password reminders.

The error isn't *that* weird.  It is mentioned in the FAQ:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
query=site+list&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search


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Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From jwt at onjapan.net  Sat May  8 13:24:33 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 20:24:33 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-discard notification
In-Reply-To: <20040508114847.W85@warpix.org>
References: <20040508114847.W85@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <479A152A-A0E2-11D8-989E-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On May 8, 2004, at 19:48, John Poltorak wrote:

> Is there any to make auto-discard notification work quietly?

Did you set forward_auto_discards to No on the Privacy options... 
Sender filters... page for the list?

     Should messages from non-members, which are automatically
     discarded, be forwarded to the list moderator?   NO   Yes

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From barnabydscott at yahoo.com  Sat May  8 14:10:20 2004
From: barnabydscott at yahoo.com (Barnaby Scott)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 05:10:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to arrange a list with 'affiliate' members
Message-ID: <20040508121020.53834.qmail@web61208.mail.yahoo.com>

I am trying to configure a list or group of lists to
exhibit the following behaviour, but have been having
trouble:

I run a list called 'discuss', which is a discussion
list for members of our organisation. We would also
like to invite a handful of people to be 'affiliate'
members, but who would not have quite the same
experience of the list.

We want these 'affiliate members' to be able to post
to 'discuss', and any replies to their posts to be
distributed to them. In addition we would like regular
members to be able to insert a keyword to indicate
that the conversation they are starting is to include
these 'affiliate members'. But for all other list
traffic, they would excluded.

The most obvious mechanism would be to subscribe the
affilate members as full members of 'discuss' and use
Topics - restricting them to receive only posts with
[affiliate] in the subject. However, I can see no way
of preventing them lifting this restriction from
themselves, and in any case they would be obliged to
remember to use the keyword if they wanted any
replies.

The only other solution I could think of was to have
another list - say 'open', of which 'discuss' was a
member. This would allow control of who was an
affiliate member, and would take care of inbound posts
to 'discuss'. However, to allow replies back to the
affiliate members would involve either:

 *Having the 'discuss's reply-to UN-munged (which I am
against because we have 100% non-technical people, and
no replies would ever reach any list at all if they
had to remember to hit 'reply to all'!)

 or 

 *Having 'open' being a member of 'discuss' (in
addition to 'discuss' being a member of 'open').
Presumably this is what is technically known as a BAD
THING!

I wouldn't be at all surprised if I have overlooked
something very obvious - in any case all suggestions
would be very gratefully received!

Thanks


	
		
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat May  8 15:20:06 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 14:20:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird error after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20040508103922.M25442@npgx.com.au>
References: <20040508103922.M25442@npgx.com.au>
Message-ID: <6C7870B8-A0F2-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 8 May 2004, at 11:42, Michael Mansour wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've recently performed an upgrade from 2.0.13 to 2.1.4, all list and 
> such
> were migrated fine.
>
> I run Fedora Core 1. When I try to start the service, I get the 
> following
> error:
>
> # service mailman start
> Site list is missing: mailman
>
> and the mailmanctl process doesn't exist.
>
> Going through the startup script it shows the following command is run 
> on
> startup:
>
> # /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start
>
> So running that manually also produces the following error:
>
> Site list is missing: mailman
>
> Any ideas what this means? and how I can fix it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael.
>

Starting with MM 2.1 a site-wide list, default name 'mailman', is 
required. This default name can be changed in mm_cfg. py; look in 
Defaults.py for more info if you want to do this.

This requirement is made clear in INSTALL documentation files in the 
Mailman 2.1.x source releases. Maybe this information did not make into 
the installer you are using if you are not installing from source.

mailmanctl will not start the qrunner daemons if this list does not 
exist; just like the error message says.

Simple solution is use bin/newlist to create a mailing list called 
'mailman'.




From jp at warpix.org  Sat May  8 17:56:55 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 16:56:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the name of a list
Message-ID: <20040508165655.I85@warpix.org>



What is the best way of changing the name of a list?



-- 
John





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun May  9 00:30:04 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 00:30:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird error after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20040508103922.M25442@npgx.com.au>
References: <20040508103922.M25442@npgx.com.au>
Message-ID: <p06002033bcc30faa6a45@[10.0.1.2]>

At 8:42 PM +1000 2004/05/08, Michael Mansour wrote:

>  I run Fedora Core 1. When I try to start the service, I get the following
>  error:
>
>  # service mailman start
>  Site list is missing: mailman
>
>  and the mailmanctl process doesn't exist.

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.005.htp> 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp>.

-- 
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Sun May  9 00:23:00 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 00:23:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
References: <409B97BD.5080903@utmem.edu>
Message-ID: <alm.20040509002312.19545@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

Rick Sipes schrieb:

> What I'm talking about is instead of seeing it from me 
> (rsipes at utmem.edu) for example, some, but not all of the recipients see 
> it coming from *-bounces at listserv.utmem.edu .

Yes. Outlook (Express) is infamous for this more than strange display
of headers.

-thh




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sun May  9 00:58:23 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 18:58:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird error after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20040508103922.M25442@npgx.com.au>
References: <20040508103922.M25442@npgx.com.au>
Message-ID: <20040508225823.GK1995@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Michael Mansour wrote:
> I run Fedora Core 1. When I try to start the service, I get the
> following error:
>
> # service mailman start
> Site list is missing: mailman
[...]
> Any ideas what this means? and how I can fix it?

In addition the the FAQ's pointed out by others, the FC rpm also
states this in the description:

    Documentation can be found in: /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.4

    When the package has finished installing, you will need to perform
    some additional installation steps, these are described in:
    /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.4/INSTALL.REDHAT

INSTALL.REDHAT tells you, among other things, to create the site-wide
list.

When in doubt and installing via a method other than original source,
it's always good to check out any docs included with the packaging
system you've used.

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From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Sun May  9 01:35:15 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 18:35:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
References: <409B97BD.5080903@utmem.edu>
	<alm.20040509002312.19545@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
Message-ID: <010e01c43555$1f1245c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Thomas Hochstein wrote:

> Rick Sipes schrieb:
>
> > What I'm talking about is instead of seeing it from me
> > (rsipes at utmem.edu) for example, some, but not all of the recipients see
> > it coming from *-bounces at listserv.utmem.edu .
>
> Yes. Outlook (Express) is infamous for this more than strange display
> of headers.

Really?  I've been using OE and Mailman for several years and I've never
seen any kind of strange display of headers or the From field in any email.

Do you have more specific info about this problem?

hth,
texas critter

--
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun May  9 07:47:57 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 06:47:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
In-Reply-To: <010e01c43555$1f1245c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: <409B97BD.5080903@utmem.edu>
	<alm.20040509002312.19545@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<010e01c43555$1f1245c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6C75A5DF-A17C-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 9 May 2004, at 00:35, texas critter wrote:

> Thomas Hochstein wrote:
>
>> Rick Sipes schrieb:
>>
>>> What I'm talking about is instead of seeing it from me
>>> (rsipes at utmem.edu) for example, some, but not all of the recipients 
>>> see
>>> it coming from *-bounces at listserv.utmem.edu .
>>
>> Yes. Outlook (Express) is infamous for this more than strange display
>> of headers.
>
> Really?  I've been using OE and Mailman for several years and I've 
> never
> seen any kind of strange display of headers or the From field in any 
> email.
>
> Do you have more specific info about this problem?
>

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp

> hth,
> texas critter
>
> --
> EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/




From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Sun May  9 08:40:47 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 01:40:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
References: <409B97BD.5080903@utmem.edu>
	<alm.20040509002312.19545@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<010e01c43555$1f1245c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<6C75A5DF-A17C-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <016a01c43590$91882d00$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Richard Barrett wrote:

> On 9 May 2004, at 00:35, texas critter wrote:
>
> > Thomas Hochstein wrote:
> >
> >> Yes. Outlook (Express) is infamous for this more than strange display
> >> of headers.
> >
> > Do you have more specific info about this problem?
> >
>
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp

Ah!  That this problem only applies to Outlook, which, despite the name
similarity, is quite different from Outlook Express.  That FAQ entry says:

"In contrast many other MUAs including version of MS Outlook Express just
render the From field using the value of the From mail header."

Outlook does lots of strange things.  OE (other than the MS security
problems) behaves more normally.

hth,
texas critter

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun May  9 09:35:14 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 08:35:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
In-Reply-To: <016a01c43590$91882d00$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: <409B97BD.5080903@utmem.edu>
	<alm.20040509002312.19545@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<010e01c43555$1f1245c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<6C75A5DF-A17C-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<016a01c43590$91882d00$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <697E8603-A18B-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 9 May 2004, at 07:40, texas critter wrote:

> Richard Barrett wrote:
>
>> On 9 May 2004, at 00:35, texas critter wrote:
>>
>>> Thomas Hochstein wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. Outlook (Express) is infamous for this more than strange 
>>>> display
>>>> of headers.
>>>
>>> Do you have more specific info about this problem?
>>>
>>
>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp
>
> Ah!  That this problem only applies to Outlook, which, despite the name
> similarity, is quite different from Outlook Express.  That FAQ entry 
> says:
>
> "In contrast many other MUAs including version of MS Outlook Express 
> just
> render the From field using the value of the From mail header."
>

I know what the entry FAQ says; I wrote it in July last year after some 
basic research and a cursory look at how a limited sample of some 
versions of the MS MUA products worked, following a spate of postings 
to this list about the displayed From field MS MUA users were seeing.

If you have definitive knowledge about such products then you will note 
that the FAQ entry invites you to add to the sume total of human 
knowledge when it says:

<quote>
It appears that not all version of MS Outlook have this behaviour. If 
you know of versions that do or do not, then add the information to 
this FAQ page.
</quote>

> Outlook does lots of strange things.  OE (other than the MS security
> problems) behaves more normally.
>

Well, that is reassuring.

> hth,
> texas critter
>
> --
> EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/




From maillists at conactive.com  Sun May  9 13:31:57 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 13:31:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the name of a list
In-Reply-To: <20040508165655.I85@warpix.org>
References: <20040508165655.I85@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <VA.000018b0.00c1b6f4@virtual-access.org>

John Poltorak wrote on Sat, 8 May 2004 16:56:55 +0100:

> What is the best way of changing the name of a list?
>

copy the directory to a new name and then edit the list name in the web 
interface (going to the URL for the new list, of course). This is probably 
more difficult if you have archives, too.
And change the aliases :-)


Kai

-- 

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Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
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From maillists at conactive.com  Sun May  9 13:31:57 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 13:31:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
In-Reply-To: <697E8603-A18B-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <409B97BD.5080903@utmem.edu>
	<alm.20040509002312.19545@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<010e01c43555$1f1245c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<6C75A5DF-A17C-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<016a01c43590$91882d00$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<697E8603-A18B-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <VA.000018af.00c1b6f4@virtual-access.org>

Richard Barrett wrote on Sun, 9 May 2004 08:35:14 +0100:

> It appears that not all version of MS Outlook have this behaviour
>

There is a misunderstanding in that FAQ article: MS Outlook and MS Outlook 
Express are two totally different programs, despite both having "Outlook" 
in the name. The article munges the both a bit. I'd simply remove any 
mention of Outlook Express in it.


Kai

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Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun May  9 13:46:56 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 12:46:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
In-Reply-To: <VA.000018af.00c1b6f4@virtual-access.org>
References: <409B97BD.5080903@utmem.edu>
	<alm.20040509002312.19545@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<010e01c43555$1f1245c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<6C75A5DF-A17C-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<016a01c43590$91882d00$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<697E8603-A18B-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<VA.000018af.00c1b6f4@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <92F3C148-A1AE-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 9 May 2004, at 12:31, Kai Schaetzl wrote:

> Richard Barrett wrote on Sun, 9 May 2004 08:35:14 +0100:
>
>> It appears that not all version of MS Outlook have this behaviour
>>
>
> There is a misunderstanding in that FAQ article: MS Outlook and MS 
> Outlook
> Express are two totally different programs, despite both having 
> "Outlook"
> in the name. The article munges the both a bit. I'd simply remove any
> mention of Outlook Express in it.
>

So change it. The Mailman FAQ is community help and you do not need an 
invitation! As long as the changes are rational and non-abusive ...

Too many spectators too few players?

>
> Kai
>
> -- 
>
> Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
> Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
> IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org
>
>
>
>
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From jp at warpix.org  Sun May  9 16:25:18 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 15:25:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
In-Reply-To: <20040507175548.GJ1995@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>;
	from Todd on Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:55:48PM -0400
References: <20040507183819.O85@warpix.org>
	<20040507175548.GJ1995@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <20040509152518.T85@warpix.org>

On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:55:48PM -0400, Todd wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> John Poltorak wrote:
> > How can I go about setting DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST when building Mailman?
> 
> ./configure --help
> [...]
>   --with-mailhost      specify the hostname part for outgoing email
>   --with-urlhost       specify the hostname part of urls
> [...]


Thanks or that. Looks like these options must have come in after v2.0.13...

 
> - -- 
> Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
> ======================================================================
> Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence.
>     -- Thomas Paine


-- 
John






From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sun May  9 17:07:30 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 11:07:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
In-Reply-To: <20040509152518.T85@warpix.org>
References: <20040507183819.O85@warpix.org>
	<20040507175548.GJ1995@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	<20040509152518.T85@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <20040509150730.GL1995@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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John Poltorak wrote:
> Thanks or that. Looks like these options must have come in after
> v2.0.13...

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST isn't used in 2.0, that's partly why I assumed you
were asking about 2.1.  If yo uwant to set the equivalent options in
Defaults.py while configuring, set the enviromental variables MAILHOST
and WWWHOST.

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From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Sun May  9 19:11:49 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 12:11:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
References: <409B97BD.5080903@utmem.edu>
	<alm.20040509002312.19545@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<010e01c43555$1f1245c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<6C75A5DF-A17C-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<016a01c43590$91882d00$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<697E8603-A18B-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <011201c435e8$bb797300$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Richard Barrett wrote:

> If you have definitive knowledge about such products then you will note
> that the FAQ entry invites you to add to the sume total of human
> knowledge when it says:

The FAQ is correct and doesn't need any changes, it clearly states that the
problem is confined to Outlook and that OE displays the From correctly.
(And I have no additional info about Outlook since I don't use it for
email.)

It was Thomas' post here that was incorrect, that was the purpose of my
question and my reply, pointing out to him (and anyone else who might have
been confused) that the problem didn't occur in OE, only in Outlook.

So all's well! :)

hth,
texas critter

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From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Sun May  9 19:12:54 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 12:12:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
References: <409B97BD.5080903@utmem.edu><alm.20040509002312.19545@dragonfly.akallabeth.de><010e01c43555$1f1245c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com><6C75A5DF-A17C-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk><016a01c43590$91882d00$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com><697E8603-A18B-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<VA.000018af.00c1b6f4@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <011301c435e8$df953940$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Kai Schaetzl wrote:

> There is a misunderstanding in that FAQ article: MS Outlook and MS
> Outlook Express are two totally different programs, despite both having
> "Outlook" in the name. The article munges the both a bit. I'd simply
> remove any mention of Outlook Express in it.

My two cents, leave in the mention of OE since some people don't know
there's a difference.  The FAQ is correct, it does state in two places that
OE functions properly and that the problem only occurs with Outlook.

hth,
texas critter

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From maillists at conactive.com  Sun May  9 19:31:39 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 19:31:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
In-Reply-To: <92F3C148-A1AE-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <409B97BD.5080903@utmem.edu>
	<alm.20040509002312.19545@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<010e01c43555$1f1245c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<6C75A5DF-A17C-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<016a01c43590$91882d00$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<697E8603-A18B-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<VA.000018af.00c1b6f4@virtual-access.org>
	<92F3C148-A1AE-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <VA.000018b1.020af938@virtual-access.org>

Richard Barrett wrote on Sun, 9 May 2004 12:46:56 +0100:

> So change it.
>

I didn't feel like doing so since I'm not very much involved in Mailman. 
Anyway, have done now.


Kai

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From heiner at kflog.org  Sun May  9 20:00:10 2004
From: heiner at kflog.org (Heiner Lamprecht)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 20:00:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] return-path and virtual domains
Message-ID: <200405092000.10466.heiner@kflog.org>

Hi,

I'm fighting a little bit with MM and virtual domains. I use postfix 
as MTA, the mailaddresses are stored in a MySQL-DB.

Let's say, I have two domains: a.tdl and b.tdl, where a.tdl is the 
real name of the server.

Using the scripts written by Martin M?ller 
(http://www.web-cyradm.org/pipermail/web-cyradm/2003-April/000918.html), 
I have created a list "list at b.tdl". The address of the list is an 
alias to "b.tdl-list at a.tdl". When I post to the latter, everything 
works fine. But if I post to the desired address "list at b.tdl", the 
messages first were being hold for approval by the moderator. So I 
added this address to the acceptable_aliases.

Okay, now I can post to this address, but the real name 
"b.tdl-list at a.tdl" is used as the return-path further on. Is there 
any way to completely hide the real address to the user?


    Heiner

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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun May  9 22:43:40 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 22:43:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] return-path and virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <200405092000.10466.heiner@kflog.org>
References: <200405092000.10466.heiner@kflog.org>
Message-ID: <p0600203abcc448530eee@[10.0.1.2]>

At 8:00 PM +0200 2004/05/09, Heiner Lamprecht wrote:

>  Okay, now I can post to this address, but the real name
>  "b.tdl-list at a.tdl" is used as the return-path further on. Is there
>  any way to completely hide the real address to the user?

	This would be up to your MTA.  You'd need to ask this question on 
a mailing list or newsgroup that is specific to that program.

-- 
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Mon May 10 00:20:18 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 00:20:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
References: <409B97BD.5080903@utmem.edu>
	<alm.20040509002312.19545@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<010e01c43555$1f1245c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <alm.20040510002025.19556@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

"texas critter" schrieb:

>> Yes. Outlook (Express) is infamous for this more than strange display
>> of headers.
>
> Really?  I've been using OE and Mailman for several years and I've never
> seen any kind of strange display of headers or the From field in any email.

Just omit the word in brackets in my mail ... Obviously OE is doing it
correctly.

Sorry,
-thh




From edg at greenberg.org  Mon May 10 06:57:51 2004
From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg)
Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 21:57:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] True anonymous list?
In-Reply-To: <E1BM8sH-0007P9-3m@mail.python.org>
References: <E1BM8sH-0007P9-3m@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5407943241408E51242E963E@[192.168.1.99]>

You could deliver the mail to a script that extracts the subject and body 
and then reposts it to the list, coming from a generic user.

If you want to restrict posting to members, you could look up the actual 
from address in the list before forwarding the post.

Would that meet your needs?

</edg>



--On Friday, May 07, 2004 1:10 PM -0400 Michael Balamuth <mlb at chroma.com> 
wrote:

> Hello list,
> We have been using Mailman 2.0.13 for quite some time, but never with the
> intention of creating a genuinely anonymous mailing list.  Now, we have a
> reason to do so, but I have been unable to completely hide the originator
> (poster's) email address from the headers of the sent mail.  Obviously,
> anyone knowing how to read the headers will find the address of the
> poster. So, is there a way to make a list anonymous even at this level?
> Any help appreciated.  For completeness, I believe I have followed the
> FAQ's and help and set explicit-reply to and hide posters address etc.
> correctly... Maybe not?
>
> Thanks,
> Michael Balamuth
> mlb at chroma.com
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/







From barnabydscott at yahoo.com  Mon May 10 09:06:53 2004
From: barnabydscott at yahoo.com (Barnaby Scott)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 00:06:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists that are members of each other - bad idea?
Message-ID: <20040510070653.98897.qmail@web61205.mail.yahoo.com>

I posted a question a couple of days ago about a
particular Mailman set-up I wanted to achieve, but
have since thought it would be better to ask a simpler
and more specific question:

Does anyone know the consequences of setting up two
lists which are members of each other?

I don't want to do something which will cause an
endless loop and bring down the wrath of my hosting
company upon myself!

Presumably the X-BeenThere header should come into
play to avoid such an eventuality, but will it work in
these circs? Or even if it does work, should one not
do this sort of thing for other reasons?

Thanks


	
		
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From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Mon May 10 10:21:10 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 01:21:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] True anonymous list?
In-Reply-To: <5407943241408E51242E963E@[192.168.1.99]>
References: <E1BM8sH-0007P9-3m@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <409ED906.10852.F0CE9C@localhost>

Actually it is simpler than that.  Just put that in the Handler Cleanse, 
like so: (at the bottom)


 # We delete all these extra Headers because I don't want them 
    del msg['X-URL']
    del msg['X-Mailer']
    del msg['X-Priority']
    del msg['Subject']
    del msg['received']

Then put the subject back in:

    msg ['Subject'] = 'Whatever You Want'

The only drawback is that now all of the subjects will be the same.

> You could deliver the mail to a script that extracts the subject and body 
> and then reposts it to the list, coming from a generic user.
> 
> If you want to restrict posting to members, you could look up the actual 
> from address in the list before forwarding the post.
> 
> Would that meet your needs?
> 
> </edg>
> 
> 
> 
> --On Friday, May 07, 2004 1:10 PM -0400 Michael Balamuth <mlb at chroma.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello list,
> > We have been using Mailman 2.0.13 for quite some time, but never with the
> > intention of creating a genuinely anonymous mailing list.  Now, we have a
> > reason to do so, but I have been unable to completely hide the originator
> > (poster's) email address from the headers of the sent mail.  Obviously,
> > anyone knowing how to read the headers will find the address of the
> > poster. So, is there a way to make a list anonymous even at this level?
> > Any help appreciated.  For completeness, I believe I have followed the
> > FAQ's and help and set explicit-reply to and hide posters address etc.
> > correctly... Maybe not?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Michael Balamuth
> > mlb at chroma.com
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

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From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Mon May 10 10:33:55 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 01:33:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the name of a list
In-Reply-To: <20040508165655.I85@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <409EDC03.22447.FC79A4@localhost>

Try this posting:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-
January/009232.html

That seems real simple.  The full blown explanation is on list.org:

http://list.org/faq.html

Date sent:      	Sat, 8 May 2004 16:56:55 +0100
From:           	John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
To:             	mailman-users at python.org
Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] Changing the name of a list

> 
> 
> What is the best way of changing the name of a list?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 


Thanks.

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lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 10 10:45:00 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 10:45:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists that are members of each other - bad idea?
In-Reply-To: <20040510070653.98897.qmail@web61205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040510070653.98897.qmail@web61205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06002001bcc4f0a575ba@[10.0.1.2]>

At 12:06 AM -0700 2004/05/10, Barnaby Scott wrote:

>  Does anyone know the consequences of setting up two
>  lists which are members of each other?

	I believe that would be very bad news.

>  Presumably the X-BeenThere header should come into
>  play to avoid such an eventuality, but will it work in
>  these circs? Or even if it does work, should one not
>  do this sort of thing for other reasons?

	The risk is that you will have set up a potentially serious loop, 
for which there is only one way to detect and stop it before there is 
a melt down.  All it would take is a misconfigured client or MTA to 
remove certain headers before sending the message on, and you and 
everyone else would be toast.

	Before you take a shotgun with a hair trigger and load it with 
thermonuclear shells, you might want to give some consideration to 
what it might do when you go away and leave it pointed in your 
direction -- especially when there are children and pets around, any 
one of which might accidentally set it off.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From barnabydscott at yahoo.com  Mon May 10 14:06:09 2004
From: barnabydscott at yahoo.com (Barnaby Scott)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 05:06:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists that are members of each other - bad idea?
In-Reply-To: <p06002001bcc4f0a575ba@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <20040510120609.14798.qmail@web61204.mail.yahoo.com>

Kinda what I feared!

Does anyone have any suggestions about my original
query then (about 'affilate' members a couple of
threads back)?

Thanks

--- Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be> wrote:
> At 12:06 AM -0700 2004/05/10, Barnaby Scott wrote:
> 
> >  Does anyone know the consequences of setting up
> two
> >  lists which are members of each other?
> 
> 	I believe that would be very bad news.
> 
> >  Presumably the X-BeenThere header should come
> into
> >  play to avoid such an eventuality, but will it
> work in
> >  these circs? Or even if it does work, should one
> not
> >  do this sort of thing for other reasons?
> 
> 	The risk is that you will have set up a potentially
> serious loop, 
> for which there is only one way to detect and stop
> it before there is 
> a melt down.  All it would take is a misconfigured
> client or MTA to 
> remove certain headers before sending the message
> on, and you and 
> everyone else would be toast.
> 
> 	Before you take a shotgun with a hair trigger and
> load it with 
> thermonuclear shells, you might want to give some
> consideration to 
> what it might do when you go away and leave it
> pointed in your 
> direction -- especially when there are children and
> pets around, any 
> one of which might accidentally set it off.
> 
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> 
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
> little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of
> Pennsylvania.
> 
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See
> <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



	
		
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From jp at warpix.org  Mon May 10 15:03:01 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:03:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the name of a list
In-Reply-To: <409EDC03.22447.FC79A4@localhost>;
	from Lloyd F. Tennison on Mon, May 10, 2004 at 01:33:55AM -0700
References: <20040508165655.I85@warpix.org> <409EDC03.22447.FC79A4@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040510140301.O85@warpix.org>

On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 01:33:55AM -0700, Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:
> Try this posting:
> 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-
> January/009232.html

Thanks for the pointer. It says:-

rename the list in the admin page
rename the list directory and files on disk to the new name
run ~mailman/bin/movelist newlistname

but I don't see anything called movelist...

 
> That seems real simple.  The full blown explanation is on list.org:
> 
> http://list.org/faq.html
> 
> Date sent:      	Sat, 8 May 2004 16:56:55 +0100
> From:           	John Poltorak <jp at warpix.org>
> To:             	mailman-users at python.org
> Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] Changing the name of a list
> 
> > 
> > 
> > What is the best way of changing the name of a list?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Lloyd F. Tennison
> lloyd_tennison at whoever.com
> 
> No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
> However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
> inconvenienced.
> 

-- 
John





From zzizzle at zzizzle.com  Mon May 10 15:50:35 2004
From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle.com)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 06:50:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pop up
Message-ID: <0332B8F0-A289-11D8-B984-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com>

Does anyone know how to either prevent the subscription-confirm window 
from popping up and just confirming the subscriber once they click on 
the confirmation link, or how to edit the html of the page that pops 
up?  I am sorry to ask this more than once but I am new to the system 
and don't know any programming, just html.  So people's answers so far 
have been cryptic, at least to me.

Thanks!
Jonathan




From john.carlson at mnaggroup.com  Sun May  9 19:29:28 2004
From: john.carlson at mnaggroup.com (John Carlson)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 12:29:28 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up Mailman on Sendmail
Message-ID: <19A9BEF35AE66244BE73098207DA2CE9145B@mail.mnaggroup.com>

How did you set up Sendmail to forward email to your Exchange Server?
Thanks
John Carlson
Network Administrator
Minnesota Ag Group


From mlb at chroma.com  Mon May 10 16:52:45 2004
From: mlb at chroma.com (Michael Balamuth)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 10:52:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] True anonymous list?
In-Reply-To: <409ED906.10852.F0CE9C@localhost>
Message-ID: <E1BNC9B-0003BH-CW@mail.python.org>

Actually, after reading the Python source for Cleanse.py I don't understand
why the system doesn't do what I want by default when the list is "flagged"
as an anonymous list.  It is not really clear from the web management
interface what flags the list as anonymous, but I thought it was the
'yes/no' radio button associated with "Hide the sender of a message,
replacing it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To
fields) (Details)" the last entry on the privacy screen.  I have this set to
yes and it does not strip the reply-to or received from header????  Thanks
very much for your replies.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Lloyd F. Tennison [mailto:lloyd_tennison at whoever.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 4:21 AM
To: Michael Balamuth; mailman-users at python.org; Ed Greenberg
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] True anonymous list?

Actually it is simpler than that.  Just put that in the Handler Cleanse, 
like so: (at the bottom)


 # We delete all these extra Headers because I don't want them 
    del msg['X-URL']
    del msg['X-Mailer']
    del msg['X-Priority']
    del msg['Subject']
    del msg['received']

Then put the subject back in:

    msg ['Subject'] = 'Whatever You Want'

The only drawback is that now all of the subjects will be the same.

> You could deliver the mail to a script that extracts the subject and body 
> and then reposts it to the list, coming from a generic user.
> 
> If you want to restrict posting to members, you could look up the actual 
> from address in the list before forwarding the post.
> 
> Would that meet your needs?
> 
> </edg>
> 
> 
> 
> --On Friday, May 07, 2004 1:10 PM -0400 Michael Balamuth <mlb at chroma.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello list,
> > We have been using Mailman 2.0.13 for quite some time, but never with
the
> > intention of creating a genuinely anonymous mailing list.  Now, we have
a
> > reason to do so, but I have been unable to completely hide the
originator
> > (poster's) email address from the headers of the sent mail.  Obviously,
> > anyone knowing how to read the headers will find the address of the
> > poster. So, is there a way to make a list anonymous even at this level?
> > Any help appreciated.  For completeness, I believe I have followed the
> > FAQ's and help and set explicit-reply to and hide posters address etc.
> > correctly... Maybe not?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Michael Balamuth
> > mlb at chroma.com
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon May 10 17:24:21 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:24:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up Mailman on Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <19A9BEF35AE66244BE73098207DA2CE9145B@mail.mnaggroup.com>
References: <19A9BEF35AE66244BE73098207DA2CE9145B@mail.mnaggroup.com>
Message-ID: <1C6BB68E-A296-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 9 May 2004, at 18:29, John Carlson wrote:

> How did you set up Sendmail to forward email to your Exchange Server?

Putting

define(`SMART_HOST', `FQDN-of-your-outbound-SMTP-relay')

in the sendmail.mc file might do it.

But there is no reason why Mailman cannot use SMTP to talk direct to an 
outbound SMTP server on another machine (which could be a Microsoft 
Exchange Server) rather than passing outbound messages to a local 
sendmail instance and having it forward them to the relay. To do this 
set the value of SMTPHOST in mm_cfg.py to point to the outbound SMTP 
server and ensure that the default DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' from 
Defaults.py has not been changed in mm_cfg.py

> Thanks
> John Carlson
> Network Administrator
> Minnesota Ag Group




From lenny at frodo.aecom.yu.edu  Mon May 10 17:52:41 2004
From: lenny at frodo.aecom.yu.edu (Lenny)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:52:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix and solaris
Message-ID: <409FA549.6040207@frodo.aecom.yu.edu>

I'm struggling to get combination for solaris, postfix and mailman 
working together.

I can create the lists and play with the fancy web gui.
I can send e-mail to the list from the local box, but that doesn't go 
anywhere. The log says -
(delivered to command:/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test)
but nothing else happens with that message.

If I send e-mail to the list from a remote machine, I get
"user unknown" error.

The mailman log gives

  Low level smtp error: (146, 'Connection refused')

python -c'import os; print os.getgid()'  - returns 1, which is other.

I tried mail-gid as postdrop, mailman, nobody and other, and all the 
same by corresponding gids and in some cases I got gid wrapper errors. 
Rigth now it's built with mail-gid=1 and I don't get that error, but 
nothing works.

The aliases in postfix config point to -
dbm:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
and postmap seems to be resolving the list names:

postmap -q test /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test"

hostname

What am I still doing wrong ?

thank you all in advance.






From lenny at frodo.aecom.yu.edu  Mon May 10 19:23:31 2004
From: lenny at frodo.aecom.yu.edu (Lenny)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 13:23:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix and solaris
In-Reply-To: <20040510170349.GA16008@cs.utk.edu>
References: <409FA549.6040207@frodo.aecom.yu.edu>
	<20040510170349.GA16008@cs.utk.edu>
Message-ID: <409FBA93.7080206@frodo.aecom.yu.edu>

I do have that setting. doesn't seem to make a difference.
I don't think postfix refusing e-mail to the list is related
to that, but I may be wrong. I'm not even sure what doesn't it like,
since portmap can resolve that address.

David Vasil wrote:
> On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 11:52:41AM -0400, Lenny <lenny at frodo.aecom.yu.edu> wrote:
> 
>>The mailman log gives
>>
>> Low level smtp error: (146, 'Connection refused')
> 
> 
> Try setting DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST to the full hostname of your
> machine instead of 'localhost'.  This fixed the low level smtp
> errors for my setup a few weeks ago.  You can set this option
> in Mailman/Defaults.py
> 



From paul at thcwd.com  Mon May 10 19:44:35 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 12:44:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Skipping Mailscanner for list mail
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040510123127.01f26ec0@127.0.0.1>

      Since several of you indicated you use Mailscanner, I'm hoping 
someone can help with this.

      I have three large (1000 to 5000) VERPed announcement lists.  When I 
send out these lists clamav shows up in top - and it eat up all available 
CPU for several minutes.  I have read all the documentation and added 
filters that should cause virus scanning to be skipped, but clamav still 
runs.  Is Mailman sending in a way that the filters are not kicking 
in?  Any idea what to add?

      In MailScanner.conf I have:

Virus Scanning = /etc/MailScanner/rules/virus.scanning.rules

      In virus.scanning.rules I have


From:           paul at mydomain.com                    no
From:           127.0.0.1                                    no
From:           xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx                            no
From:           *@svr.mydomain.com                   no
From:   listname at svr.mydomain.com                  no
From:   listname-bounces at svr.mydomain.com     no
FromOrTo:       default                                     yes


      The first entry is the e-mail I use to send to the list, the third is 
my server IP,the forth is the server host name, the next two are the list 
address and the from address.

      Any ideas?

<>< Paul





From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Mon May 10 20:36:16 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:36:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] site list missing
Message-ID: <200405101436.16684.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

I installed mailman 2.1.4  on RH AS 3 using sendmail and apache. When i 
started mailman i get this error 'site list is missing: mailman'. What do i 
need to do to fix this.

Thanks
Brian



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon May 10 20:58:00 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:58:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] site list missing
In-Reply-To: <200405101436.16684.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200405101436.16684.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <20040510185800.GN1995@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Brian York wrote:
> I installed mailman 2.1.4  on RH AS 3 using sendmail and apache.
> When i started mailman i get this error 'site list is missing:
> mailman'. What do i need to do to fix this.

Read the FAQ and the INSTALL file and the list archives if need be.
This is covered here what seems like every other day.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always
declares that it is his duty.
    -- George Bernard Shaw

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From maillists at conactive.com  Mon May 10 23:32:16 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:32:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists that are members of each other - bad idea?
In-Reply-To: <20040510120609.14798.qmail@web61204.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040510120609.14798.qmail@web61204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <VA.000018b2.02e75be3@virtual-access.org>

Barnaby Scott wrote on Mon, 10 May 2004 05:06:09 -0700 (PDT):

> Does anyone have any suggestions about my original
> query then (about 'affilate' members a couple of
> threads back)?
>

Was it that where you wanted to have some "not real members" be able to 
join in certain discussions they were allowed to? I think the best way to 
achieve your goal is to set up two lists.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From cs1mailman at celineandsteve.com  Tue May 11 00:22:41 2004
From: cs1mailman at celineandsteve.com (Steve Williams)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:22:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Selecting different language (by URL) for listinfo
Message-ID: <40A000B1.5010606@celineandsteve.com>

Hi,

I want to put a link on my web site for French users to be able to sign 
up for our mailing list.  The default language for the list is English.

I currently have a link like:

http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/webupdates

for my English subscription link

I have enabled French as an alternate language, and they can select it 
in the drop-down box in the upper right corner. 

Is there anyway to select the language to display in through the URL?  
Somethink like...

http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/webupdates?language=fr

Thanks for any thoughts.

Cheers,
Steve Williams




From maillists at conactive.com  Tue May 11 00:31:34 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 00:31:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Skipping Mailscanner for list mail
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040510123127.01f26ec0@127.0.0.1>
References: <6.0.2.0.0.20040510123127.01f26ec0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <VA.000018b3.031da6c7@virtual-access.org>

Paul H Byerly wrote on Mon, 10 May 2004 12:44:35 -0500:

> Any ideas?
>

Looks quite valid. What delivery method do you use? If mailman doesn't 
deliver by SMTP those filters may fail.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 10 22:54:05 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 22:54:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up Mailman on Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <19A9BEF35AE66244BE73098207DA2CE9145B@mail.mnaggroup.com>
References: <19A9BEF35AE66244BE73098207DA2CE9145B@mail.mnaggroup.com>
Message-ID: <p06002003bcc59baf5eb4@[10.0.1.2]>

At 12:29 PM -0500 2004/05/09, John Carlson wrote:

>  How did you set up Sendmail to forward email to your Exchange Server?

	This doesn't really have anything to do with Mailman.

	There are a variety of ways to solve this problem, depending on 
your specific needs.  Check the sendmail FAQ at 
<http://www.sendmail.org/faq/>, and if the answer isn't there, you 
can ask on the USENET newsgroup comp.mail.sendmail, or refer to the 
"Bat Book", see <http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/sendmail3/index.html>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 10 22:55:25 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 22:55:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists that are members of each other - bad idea?
In-Reply-To: <20040510120609.14798.qmail@web61204.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040510120609.14798.qmail@web61204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06002004bcc59c869138@[10.0.1.2]>

At 5:06 AM -0700 2004/05/10, Barnaby Scott wrote:

>  Does anyone have any suggestions about my original
>  query then (about 'affilate' members a couple of
>  threads back)?

	Not really.  You could play around with the "topics" stuff, but 
I'm not sure that's going to do what you want.

	I strongly suspect that you may have to hack some Python code to 
get Mailman to do what you want.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 10 22:58:23 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 22:58:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Skipping Mailscanner for list mail
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040510123127.01f26ec0@127.0.0.1>
References: <6.0.2.0.0.20040510123127.01f26ec0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <p06002005bcc59d1eb47f@[10.0.1.2]>

At 12:44 PM -0500 2004/05/10, Paul H Byerly wrote:

>       I have three large (1000 to 5000) VERPed announcement lists.  When I
>  send out these lists clamav shows up in top - and it eat up all available
>  CPU for several minutes.  I have read all the documentation and added
>  filters that should cause virus scanning to be skipped, but clamav still
>  runs.  Is Mailman sending in a way that the filters are not kicking in?
>  Any idea what to add?

	You want to have two separate instances of your MTA.  One that 
listens on port 25 for incoming connections, and one that listens on 
some other port for outgoing connections.  The first instance does 
scanning, the second does not.  Configure Mailman to deliver mail to 
the second instance.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From eric at pretorious.net  Tue May 11 01:05:07 2004
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:05:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-only partition
Message-ID: <200405101605.07848.eric@pretorious.net>

Hello, All:

I've installed and configured Mailman 2.1.4 "with a little help from [the 
list]" - to paraphrase the Beetles.

Mailman was installed in /usr/local and works nicely there but - for security 
reasons - I prefer to mount the /usr partition read-only. This presents a 
problem, however, because Mailman needs to write to some of the 
subdirectories in /usr/local/mailman.  (e.g., ~/archives, ~/data, ~/lists, 
and ~/qfiles)

Will replacing these directories with symlinks to /var break Mailman?

-- 
Eric P.
Sunnyvale, CA



From David.Bear at asu.edu  Tue May 11 01:53:11 2004
From: David.Bear at asu.edu (David Bear)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:53:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman and news
Message-ID: <20040510235311.GO13131@asu.edu>

I would like to setup a mail list that is threaded like a news group.

Does mailman provide an nntp server or do I need to 'connect' to some
other program?

-- 
David Bear
phone: 	480-965-8257
fax: 	480-965-9189
College of Public Programs/ASU
Wilson Hall 232
Tempe, AZ 85287-0803
 "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of trespassing"



From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Tue May 11 02:19:48 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 19:19:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman and news
References: <20040510235311.GO13131@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <03b601c436ed$ad3b24e0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

David Bear wrote:

> I would like to setup a mail list that is threaded like a news group.
>
> Does mailman provide an nntp server or do I need to 'connect' to some
> other program?

Mailman doesn't include an nntp server, you'd need to either set one up on
your server or use an existing news server elsewhere.

hth,
texas critter

-- 
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/





From David.Bear at asu.edu  Tue May 11 02:26:55 2004
From: David.Bear at asu.edu (David Bear)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:26:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman and news
In-Reply-To: <03b601c436ed$ad3b24e0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: <20040510235311.GO13131@asu.edu>
	<03b601c436ed$ad3b24e0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20040511002655.GT13131@asu.edu>

can you make a recommendations for a good (ie safe and simple nntp
server that works well with mailman)?

On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 07:19:48PM -0500, texas critter wrote:
> David Bear wrote:
> 
> > I would like to setup a mail list that is threaded like a news group.
> >
> > Does mailman provide an nntp server or do I need to 'connect' to some
> > other program?
> 
> Mailman doesn't include an nntp server, you'd need to either set one up on
> your server or use an existing news server elsewhere.
> 
> hth,
> texas critter
> 
> -- 
> EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

-- 
David Bear
phone: 	480-965-8257
fax: 	480-965-9189
College of Public Programs/ASU
Wilson Hall 232
Tempe, AZ 85287-0803
 "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of trespassing"



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 11 02:12:24 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 02:12:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman and news
In-Reply-To: <20040510235311.GO13131@asu.edu>
References: <20040510235311.GO13131@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600200cbcc5ca945c48@[10.0.1.2]>

At 4:53 PM -0700 2004/05/10, David Bear wrote:

>  I would like to setup a mail list that is threaded like a news group.

	That feature is already provided in the standard "pipermail" 
archiver which is included with Mailman.

>  Does mailman provide an nntp server or do I need to 'connect' to some
>  other program?

	No, Mailman does not provide an NNTP server.  However, you can 
configure it to gateway a mailing list to a newsgroup via an NNTP 
server you specify, either one-way or bi-directional.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From paul at thcwd.com  Tue May 11 03:36:00 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:36:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Skipping Mailscanner for list mail
In-Reply-To: <E1BNLAX-0001Pc-OQ@mail.python.org>
References: <E1BNLAX-0001Pc-OQ@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040510202800.01d5da08@127.0.0.1>

Kai Schaetzl wrote:
>Looks quite valid. What delivery method do you use? If mailman doesn't
>deliver by SMTP those filters may fail.

      Using the default - SMTPDirect.  The relevant lines (as far as I can 
tell) from Defaults.py  and mm_cfg.py:

DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'

USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 1

<>< Paul





From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Tue May 11 03:36:00 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:36:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman and news
References: <20040510235311.GO13131@asu.edu>
	<03b601c436ed$ad3b24e0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<20040511002655.GT13131@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <053f01c436f8$52967d40$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

David Bear wrote:

> can you make a recommendations for a good (ie safe and simple nntp
> server that works well with mailman)?

Pretty much any reliable news server will work fine with Mailman.  Here's
the two I use:

http://www.individual.net/

They're free, but they have some limitations, I think primarily on the
binary newsgroups.  Read their faq and ask them questions if you're not
sure.

http://www.newsguy.com/

They're not free but they're pretty cheap and reliable, I have a news
account there for $6/month.

I use my newsguy account to gate mail to news and news to mail and it works
fine.  I haven't tried my individual.net account with Mailman but there's
no reason it wouldn't work.

hth,
texas critter

-- 
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/





From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Tue May 11 04:33:44 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 22:33:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send to list error
Message-ID: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

When i try to send to the list i get this error from kmail

Sending failed:
Message sending failed since the following recipients were rejected by the 
server:
servergroup at 10.20.1.163 (The server responded: "5.1.2 unknown host or domain: 
servergroup at 10.20.1.163")
The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the problem 
(e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox' folder.

Brian



From stephen at xemacs.org  Tue May 11 09:47:25 2004
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:47:25 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to arrange a list with 'affiliate' members
In-Reply-To: <20040508121020.53834.qmail@web61208.mail.yahoo.com> (Barnaby
	Scott's message of "Sat, 8 May 2004 05:10:20 -0700 (PDT)")
References: <20040508121020.53834.qmail@web61208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <873c672ynm.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Barnaby" == Barnaby Scott <barnabydscott at yahoo.com> writes:

    Barnaby> I am trying to configure a list or group of lists to
    Barnaby> exhibit the following behaviour, but have been having
    Barnaby> trouble:

    Barnaby> I run a list called 'discuss', which is a discussion list
    Barnaby> for members of our organisation. We would also like to
    Barnaby> invite a handful of people to be 'affiliate' members, but
    Barnaby> who would not have quite the same experience of the list.

    Barnaby> We want these 'affiliate members' to be able to post to
    Barnaby> 'discuss', and any replies to their posts to be
    Barnaby> distributed to them. In addition we would like regular
    Barnaby> members to be able to insert a keyword to indicate that
    Barnaby> the conversation they are starting is to include these
    Barnaby> 'affiliate members'. But for all other list traffic, they
    Barnaby> would excluded.

Why not just have two separate lists, and automatically subscribe the
"discuss" members to the the "affiliate" list?  No keyword needed,
just address your post correctly.  Reply-To will not go to an "unsafe"
place (unless a discuss member decides to move a thread from the
"affiliates" list to the "discuss" list, and forgets to change the
address---but I don't see why this is more likely than forgetting to
remove the [affiliate] tag).

Since the discuss list is apparently closed (ie, membership requires
moderator approval), this imposes a slight burden on the moderator (I
don't think vanilla Mailman provides a facility where subscribing to
one list subscribes you to a second list automatically), but otherwise
is just what the doctor ordered AFAICS.

    Barnaby> The only other solution I could think of was to have
    Barnaby> another list - say 'open', of which 'discuss' was a
    Barnaby> member. This would allow control of who was an affiliate
    Barnaby> member, and would take care of inbound posts to
    Barnaby> 'discuss'. However, to allow replies back to the
    Barnaby> affiliate members would involve either:

    Barnaby>  *Having the 'discuss's reply-to UN-munged

Yup, in this case Reply-To Munging Is Unquestionably Harmful.

    Barnaby> (which I am against because we have 100% non-technical
    Barnaby> people, and no replies would ever reach any list at all
    Barnaby> if they had to remember to hit 'reply to all'!)

It's a shame that you and list admins who think like you didn't start
lobbying their members and the vendors to fix their broken MUAs ten
years ago, but that's no reason not to start now---it's not the last
time this kind of case will arise.

N.B. Stop using "non-technical" users as an excuse.  If they're typing
replies, they have sufficiently well-developed muscle memory to handle
this, too.  The problem is that the users, quite rightly IMO, resist
using reply-to-all because it pollutes their screen with unwanted junk
addresses, and annoys fellow list members with duplicate posts.  They
"know there's a better way," and they are right---but their MUAs don't
offer it.

So fix the damn MUAs, and everybody's happy.  It's technically trivial:
add a reply-to-list function which looks at List-Post first, and if it
exists uses its value (only), otherwise acts like reply-to-sender.  As
default for _both_ list folders and personal mail, this works over 95%
of the time for me, and I participate in a lot of lists where I want
to make private replies, or include non-list-members as CCs.  For 95%
of users, I bet making reply-to-list default would work 99% of the
time, and they'd quickly learn to use reply-to-sender and even
reply-to-all correctly for the exceptions.  Somewhat surprisingly to
me, I do not make the mistake of posting private replies to a list
(except when Reply-To is being munged, and I've fixed my reply-to-
sender function to ignore Reply-To if it points to a list).  YMMV, but
this really looks plausible to me, and ought to be tried.

The only problem is getting lots of people who use broken MUAs to
write to their vendors.  My list members use sane MUAs, I can't help
with this.  ;-)

-- 
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University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
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              ask what your business can "do for" free software.



From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue May 11 10:06:35 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:06:35 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Selecting different language (by URL) for listinfo
In-Reply-To: <40A000B1.5010606@celineandsteve.com>
References: <40A000B1.5010606@celineandsteve.com>
Message-ID: <1F64A259-A322-11D8-A17E-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On May 11, 2004, at 07:22, Steve Williams wrote:

> I have enabled French as an alternate language, and they can select it 
> in the drop-down box in the upper right corner.
> Is there anyway to select the language to display in through the URL?  
> Somethink like...
>
> http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/webupdates?language=fr

Exactly like that.  :-)

-- 
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From cgross at 2blc.com  Tue May 11 16:42:10 2004
From: cgross at 2blc.com (cedric gross)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:42:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.4 + postfix 2.0.16
Message-ID: <CIEELJHGEDAAKMAAPAOJOEPGDBAA.cgross@2blc.com>

Hello,

I'm not sure but it's seems that email sent to mailman is a VIRTUAL address
what have you in virtual-mailman file ?

Obviously, I don't use that but I configured a virtual domain :
listes.youdomain.ltd that I registered in my transport table
as next hop to "mailman"

I configured in master.cf "mailman" as pipe :
mailman   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
  flags=FR user=mailman:mailman
  argv=/usr/local/mailman/postfix2mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}

you can find the file postfix2mailman.py at
http://www.gurulabs.com/files/postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py

>From my point of view I don't know anything to python so I rewrite the
postfix2mailman in Perl.

Hope this help.

>Hi, I run this config on a FreeBSD 4.9
>Postifx is installed with mysql support for virtual domains.

>I have an error and i didn't find the answer in the FAQ.

>The installation was successfull.
>I created a mailing list. It appears in /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.

>When I created the ML, i received the mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] wich
>said :
>" The mailing list `ff' has just been created for you. The following is
some
>basic information about your mailing list....."
>So it looks like good.
>I can subscribe via web interface and do all operations successfully.
>
>
>The problem is that if I want to register by the email command "
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] "
>I receive the error:  Remote host said: 550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>User unknown in virtual mailbox table

[...]




From cgross at 2blc.com  Tue May 11 16:54:03 2004
From: cgross at 2blc.com (cedric gross)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:54:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender modification
Message-ID: <CIEELJHGEDAAKMAAPAOJKEPHDBAA.cgross@2blc.com>

Hello,

Is there a way to change the sender of mail (i.e. mailman-user-bounce) with
something more humain like : The Mailman User list
<mailman-users at python.org) ?

Or must I do it by canonical rewriting ?

Cedric




From jp at warpix.org  Tue May 11 17:13:17 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:13:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enabling lock logging
Message-ID: <20040511161317.K85@warpix.org>


It was suggested that I may get round aproblem I'm having with Mailman if 
I - 'enable the lock logging'...

Can anyone suggest how I do that?

Is it a build option or something specified at runtime?

-- 
John






From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 11 17:17:20 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:17:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender modification
In-Reply-To: <CIEELJHGEDAAKMAAPAOJKEPHDBAA.cgross@2blc.com>
References: <CIEELJHGEDAAKMAAPAOJKEPHDBAA.cgross@2blc.com>
Message-ID: <p0600201dbcc69df3fb4d@[10.0.1.2]>

At 4:54 PM +0200 2004/05/11, cedric gross wrote:

>  Is there a way to change the sender of mail (i.e. mailman-user-bounce) with
>  something more humain like : The Mailman User list
>  <mailman-users at python.org) ?

	You can go throughout the Mailman code and change 
listname-bounces to whatever you want, but this is not recommended.

	Bounces will actually come back to this address, so whatever you 
do, you have to be able to distinguish between bounces and original 
submissions.  But if you had a violent opposition to the string 
"-bounces" appearing anywhere, you could change this to be "-fred" or 
whatever else you may want.

>  Or must I do it by canonical rewriting ?

	That would be an extremely bad idea.  You would be destroying 
vital information encoded in the envelope sender address, which could 
not be recovered once a bounce occurred.

	See Mailman FAQ 2.2 at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.002.htp> 
and FAW 2.3 at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp>.

-- 
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From mlb at chroma.com  Tue May 11 17:36:34 2004
From: mlb at chroma.com (Michael Balamuth)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 11:36:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] True anonymous list?
In-Reply-To: <E1BNC9B-0003BH-CW@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <E1BNZJ6-00013X-RN@mail.python.org>

 Thanks to all who suggested alternatives.  I finally succeeded by rewriting
the headers at the qmail/alias end via a custom perl script filter and then
scrapped the whole thing.  It wasn't that it didn't work, but it was too too
much like creating a spam environment.  We originally wanted an internal
corporate mailing list where employees could post grievances without fear of
identification and reprisal, but we finally opted for an anonymous forum
instead.  That keeps it more appropriately inside the company anyway.  It
was, however, an interesting exercise in tracing the path by which headers
get added and it isn't always where you would think it should be.  Thanks
again to all who provided patient advice (which also worked).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Michael Balamuth
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 10:53 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] True anonymous list?

Actually, after reading the Python source for Cleanse.py I don't understand
why the system doesn't do what I want by default when the list is "flagged"
as an anonymous list.  It is not really clear from the web management
interface what flags the list as anonymous, but I thought it was the
'yes/no' radio button associated with "Hide the sender of a message,
replacing it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To
fields) (Details)" the last entry on the privacy screen.  I have this set to
yes and it does not strip the reply-to or received from header????  Thanks
very much for your replies.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Lloyd F. Tennison [mailto:lloyd_tennison at whoever.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 4:21 AM
To: Michael Balamuth; mailman-users at python.org; Ed Greenberg
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] True anonymous list?

Actually it is simpler than that.  Just put that in the Handler Cleanse, 
like so: (at the bottom)


 # We delete all these extra Headers because I don't want them 
    del msg['X-URL']
    del msg['X-Mailer']
    del msg['X-Priority']
    del msg['Subject']
    del msg['received']

Then put the subject back in:

    msg ['Subject'] = 'Whatever You Want'

The only drawback is that now all of the subjects will be the same.

> You could deliver the mail to a script that extracts the subject and body 
> and then reposts it to the list, coming from a generic user.
> 
> If you want to restrict posting to members, you could look up the actual 
> from address in the list before forwarding the post.
> 
> Would that meet your needs?
> 
> </edg>
> 
> 
> 
> --On Friday, May 07, 2004 1:10 PM -0400 Michael Balamuth <mlb at chroma.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello list,
> > We have been using Mailman 2.0.13 for quite some time, but never with
the
> > intention of creating a genuinely anonymous mailing list.  Now, we have
a
> > reason to do so, but I have been unable to completely hide the
originator
> > (poster's) email address from the headers of the sent mail.  Obviously,
> > anyone knowing how to read the headers will find the address of the
> > poster. So, is there a way to make a list anonymous even at this level?
> > Any help appreciated.  For completeness, I believe I have followed the
> > FAQ's and help and set explicit-reply to and hide posters address etc.
> > correctly... Maybe not?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Michael Balamuth
> > mlb at chroma.com
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

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From prieheck at iwu.edu  Mon May 10 23:51:51 2004
From: prieheck at iwu.edu (Pat Riehecky)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:51:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] generalized specs question
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405101642220.11188@sun.iwu.edu>

The site where I work is considering replacing our current listprocessor
(ListProc 6.0c) with either Mailman or Majordomo.  So I was
going to as a benchmarking type question, what sort of a system would be
required to run 100 lists each sending out 100 emails a day?  Obviously a
486 /can/ do it, but reasonibly fast sending is nice.  (ie would something
like a pentium2 250 with 128 RAM be enough)

Secondly how long (estimate, please) would it take to send all 10000
emails should they be sent to the lists at the same time?

Thanks a bunch!
pat

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From jpgrobler at ag0ny.com  Tue May 11 14:57:58 2004
From: jpgrobler at ag0ny.com (JP Grobler)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:57:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is email merge supported?
Message-ID: <002b01c43757$97931de0$c747ef9b@JPGrobler>

Hi

Can names etc be merged into emails?

Thanks
JP


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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue May 11 18:17:23 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:17:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender modification
In-Reply-To: <p0600201dbcc69df3fb4d@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <CIEELJHGEDAAKMAAPAOJKEPHDBAA.cgross@2blc.com>
	<p0600201dbcc69df3fb4d@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <AF8BF2AA-A366-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

Right near the end of  
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp  
you will find details of a hack to the MM source code for MM 2.1.x  
which changes the Sender: header value from listname-bounces to  
listname, while leaving the envelope sender as listname-bounces for  
bounce handling. The line number referenced in the FAQ is approximate;  
depending on what exact version of MM 2.1.x source you are running you  
may find the line to be changed a few either way of the one stipulated.

This is an attempt to alleviate the pain that some users (and list  
admins) appear to experience with the conflation of From: and Sender:  
headers in the displayed From field of the web GUI of some versions of  
some Microsoft MUAs. If that is your problem, this hack might help.

With well behaved MTAs that send bounce messages back to the envelope  
sender this change should be safe but if it blows up in your face  
because a badly behaved MTA sends a bounce back to the Sender header,  
which is now the primary list address, and hence to the list itself, it  
is on your head; you have been warned.

That said, the change is one-line-simple and easy to reverse if things  
start to go pear shaped.

On 11 May 2004, at 16:17, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 4:54 PM +0200 2004/05/11, cedric gross wrote:
>
>>  Is there a way to change the sender of mail (i.e.  
>> mailman-user-bounce) with
>>  something more humain like : The Mailman User list
>>  <mailman-users at python.org) ?
>
> 	You can go throughout the Mailman code and change listname-bounces to  
> whatever you want, but this is not recommended.
>
> 	Bounces will actually come back to this address, so whatever you do,  
> you have to be able to distinguish between bounces and original  
> submissions.  But if you had a violent opposition to the string  
> "-bounces" appearing anywhere, you could change this to be "-fred" or  
> whatever else you may want.
>
>>  Or must I do it by canonical rewriting ?
>
> 	That would be an extremely bad idea.  You would be destroying vital  
> information encoded in the envelope sender address, which could not be  
> recovered once a bounce occurred.
>
> 	See Mailman FAQ 2.2 at  
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.002.htp>  
> and FAW 2.3 at  
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
> req=show&file=faq02.003.htp>.
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.




From barnabydscott at yahoo.com  Tue May 11 18:20:11 2004
From: barnabydscott at yahoo.com (Barnaby Scott)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:20:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to arrange a list with 'affiliate' members
In-Reply-To: <873c672ynm.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <20040511162011.16606.qmail@web61202.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for your reply. This was a solution I
considered, but as you point out, members of one list
do not have an automatic right to post to a
'sub-list'. As the moderator, I really do not want the
job of subscribing/unsubscribing people to the extra
list. 

As for the Reply-To munging, you make some very valid
points, and personally I am, in principle, on the
non-munging side of the debate. However you seriously
underestimate the technophobia of my members! These
people are confused enough - many cannot even grasp
the idea that you use 'Reply' to reply to *any* kind
of email and, conversely, our archive is awash with
replies that are actually new threads (presumably
because they cannot operate their address book and
therefore reply to an old post to save typing the
list's address - despite then having to delete all the
original message!) With the exception of myself and
perhaps 2 other members, I believe they all actively
hate everything to do with computers and only tolerate
them because of what they can do. Not surprising
really, when you learn that we are all hand-makers of
furniture - so by definition have turned our backs on
much that is technical. 

So despite my natural inclination, I really do think
there is a place for Reply-To munging, and with
clientele like mine I'm afraid I really can't budge on
it!

In desperation I am now working on a script which acts
as a gate between the two lists. An address which
aliases to this script will be subscribed to both
lists, though only to one topic in 'discuss'. My task
is to make sure that any one message can pass through
the gate to the other list only once so that no loop
could ever be established (even in the event of
X-BeenThere headers being lost). Any tips on this
project would of course be welcome. The principle
seems pretty straightforward, but making it fool-proof
is a bit harder.

--- "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen at xemacs.org> wrote:
> >>>>> "Barnaby" == Barnaby Scott
> <barnabydscott at yahoo.com> writes:
> 
>     Barnaby> I am trying to configure a list or
> group of lists to
>     Barnaby> exhibit the following behaviour, but
> have been having
>     Barnaby> trouble:
> 
>     Barnaby> I run a list called 'discuss', which is
> a discussion list
>     Barnaby> for members of our organisation. We
> would also like to
>     Barnaby> invite a handful of people to be
> 'affiliate' members, but
>     Barnaby> who would not have quite the same
> experience of the list.
> 
>     Barnaby> We want these 'affiliate members' to be
> able to post to
>     Barnaby> 'discuss', and any replies to their
> posts to be
>     Barnaby> distributed to them. In addition we
> would like regular
>     Barnaby> members to be able to insert a keyword
> to indicate that
>     Barnaby> the conversation they are starting is
> to include these
>     Barnaby> 'affiliate members'. But for all other
> list traffic, they
>     Barnaby> would excluded.
> 
> Why not just have two separate lists, and
> automatically subscribe the
> "discuss" members to the the "affiliate" list?  No
> keyword needed,
> just address your post correctly.  Reply-To will not
> go to an "unsafe"
> place (unless a discuss member decides to move a
> thread from the
> "affiliates" list to the "discuss" list, and forgets
> to change the
> address---but I don't see why this is more likely
> than forgetting to
> remove the [affiliate] tag).
> 
> Since the discuss list is apparently closed (ie,
> membership requires
> moderator approval), this imposes a slight burden on
> the moderator (I
> don't think vanilla Mailman provides a facility
> where subscribing to
> one list subscribes you to a second list
> automatically), but otherwise
> is just what the doctor ordered AFAICS.
> 
>     Barnaby> The only other solution I could think
> of was to have
>     Barnaby> another list - say 'open', of which
> 'discuss' was a
>     Barnaby> member. This would allow control of who
> was an affiliate
>     Barnaby> member, and would take care of inbound
> posts to
>     Barnaby> 'discuss'. However, to allow replies
> back to the
>     Barnaby> affiliate members would involve either:
> 
>     Barnaby>  *Having the 'discuss's reply-to
> UN-munged
> 
> Yup, in this case Reply-To Munging Is Unquestionably
> Harmful.
> 
>     Barnaby> (which I am against because we have
> 100% non-technical
>     Barnaby> people, and no replies would ever reach
> any list at all
>     Barnaby> if they had to remember to hit 'reply
> to all'!)
> 
> It's a shame that you and list admins who think like
> you didn't start
> lobbying their members and the vendors to fix their
> broken MUAs ten
> years ago, but that's no reason not to start
> now---it's not the last
> time this kind of case will arise.
> 
> N.B. Stop using "non-technical" users as an excuse. 
> If they're typing
> replies, they have sufficiently well-developed
> muscle memory to handle
> this, too.  The problem is that the users, quite
> rightly IMO, resist
> using reply-to-all because it pollutes their screen
> with unwanted junk
> addresses, and annoys fellow list members with
> duplicate posts.  They
> "know there's a better way," and they are
> right---but their MUAs don't
> offer it.
> 
> So fix the damn MUAs, and everybody's happy.  It's
> technically trivial:
> add a reply-to-list function which looks at
> List-Post first, and if it
> exists uses its value (only), otherwise acts like
> reply-to-sender.  As
> default for _both_ list folders and personal mail,
> this works over 95%
> of the time for me, and I participate in a lot of
> lists where I want
> to make private replies, or include non-list-members
> as CCs.  For 95%
> of users, I bet making reply-to-list default would
> work 99% of the
> time, and they'd quickly learn to use
> reply-to-sender and even
> reply-to-all correctly for the exceptions.  Somewhat
> surprisingly to
> me, I do not make the mistake of posting private
> replies to a list
> (except when Reply-To is being munged, and I've
> fixed my reply-to-
> sender function to ignore Reply-To if it points to a
> list).  YMMV, but
> this really looks plausible to me, and ought to be
> tried.
> 
> The only problem is getting lots of people who use
> broken MUAs to
> write to their vendors.  My list members use sane
> MUAs, I can't help
> with this.  ;-)
> 
> -- 
> Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences    
> http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
> University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai
> 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
>                Ask not how you can "do" free
> software business;
>               ask what your business can "do for"
> free software.



	
		
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 11 18:19:16 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:19:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enabling lock logging
In-Reply-To: <20040511161317.K85@warpix.org>
References: <20040511161317.K85@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <p0600201fbcc6ad51954a@[10.0.1.2]>

At 4:13 PM +0100 2004/05/11, John Poltorak wrote:

>  It was suggested that I may get round aproblem I'm having with Mailman if
>  I - 'enable the lock logging'...
>
>  Can anyone suggest how I do that?

	From Defaults.py:

# Set this to On to turn on MailList object lock debugging messages, which
# will be written to logs/locks.  If you think you're having lock problems, or
# just want to tune the locks for your system, turn on lock debugging.
LIST_LOCK_DEBUGGING = Off

>  Is it a build option or something specified at runtime?

	Put this in your mm_cfg.py, turn it "On", and use mailmanctl to restart.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 11 18:15:44 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:15:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] generalized specs question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405101642220.11188@sun.iwu.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405101642220.11188@sun.iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600201ebcc6ab0f0de6@[10.0.1.2]>

At 4:51 PM -0500 2004/05/10, Pat Riehecky wrote:

>  The site where I work is considering replacing our current listprocessor
>  (ListProc 6.0c) with either Mailman or Majordomo.  So I was
>  going to as a benchmarking type question, what sort of a system would be
>  required to run 100 lists each sending out 100 emails a day?  Obviously a
>  486 /can/ do it, but reasonibly fast sending is nice.  (ie would something
>  like a pentium2 250 with 128 RAM be enough)

	It's going to depend on things like how big each message is, how 
much delay there is caused by slow recipient systems, how fast your 
disk drives are, what kind of file system you're using, etc....

	I'd recommend a fair amount of RAM (256-512MB), but beyond that 
spend as much money as you can on getting the fastest disk subsystem 
you can (at least a separate disk for the /var/spool/mail filesystem, 
and possibly mirrored+striped), with the fastest filesystem (well, 
fastest filesystem that is safe for your OS).

	But even if you had the fastest computer on earth, that would be 
no guarantee of speed if all your recipients are sending large 
messages and are located behind slow dial-up lines.

>  Secondly how long (estimate, please) would it take to send all 10000
>  emails should they be sent to the lists at the same time?

	This depends on even more factors.


	Check the FAQ wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and search for things like 
"performance", "verp", and "largest list".  There should be a dozen 
or more hits for these search terms, and you need to read and 
understand each of the FAQ entries in question.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From jp at warpix.org  Tue May 11 18:38:35 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:38:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enabling lock logging
In-Reply-To: <p0600201fbcc6ad51954a@[10.0.1.2]>;
	from Brad Knowles on Tue, May 11, 2004 at 06:19:16PM +0200
References: <20040511161317.K85@warpix.org> <p0600201fbcc6ad51954a@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <20040511173835.N85@warpix.org>

On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 06:19:16PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 4:13 PM +0100 2004/05/11, John Poltorak wrote:
> 
> >  It was suggested that I may get round aproblem I'm having with Mailman if
> >  I - 'enable the lock logging'...
> >
> >  Can anyone suggest how I do that?
> 
> 	From Defaults.py:
> 
> # Set this to On to turn on MailList object lock debugging messages, which
> # will be written to logs/locks.  If you think you're having lock problems, or
> # just want to tune the locks for your system, turn on lock debugging.
> LIST_LOCK_DEBUGGING = Off
> 
> >  Is it a build option or something specified at runtime?
> 
> 	Put this in your mm_cfg.py, turn it "On", and use mailmanctl to restart.

Thanks.

Any idea on what it is supposed to provide? ie is there a debug log of 
some sort that I can look at? 

I'm currently getting a file called =site=.lock in my locks directory. 
should this lock logging provide any additional info for me to look at?
 
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> 
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
> 
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


-- 
John






From alblack at achilles.net  Tue May 11 19:08:54 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:08:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] time stamp in logs
Message-ID: <0405111308540B.03219@localhost.localdomain>

Hi gang,

I didn't see anything in the FAQ about this, so I thought I'd check here.  Is 
there a way to configure mailman so that its log entries can be written in  
GMT rather than the local server time? 

thanks in advance

al



From maillists at conactive.com  Tue May 11 21:31:29 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:31:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Skipping Mailscanner for list mail
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040510202800.01d5da08@127.0.0.1>
References: <E1BNLAX-0001Pc-OQ@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040510202800.01d5da08@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <VA.000018b4.022b4259@virtual-access.org>

Paul H Byerly wrote on Mon, 10 May 2004 20:36:00 -0500:

> Using the default - SMTPDirect.
>

Hm, there goes my theory ;-)
1. check if the exclusion rules work for you at all, f.i. exclude one of 
your machines and then send a mail from it to you.
2. check the headers of the mailing list mails for any hints which might 
explain the behavior
I suggest then posting the results plus your mail server brand/setup to 
the Mailscanner mailing list.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From maillists at conactive.com  Tue May 11 21:31:29 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:31:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send to list error
In-Reply-To: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <VA.000018b6.022b4259@virtual-access.org>

Brian York wrote on Mon, 10 May 2004 22:33:44 -0400:

> servergroup at 10.20.1.163
>

There's your answer, that's not a valid domain or email address. Try with 
[] brackets around the IP.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From maillists at conactive.com  Tue May 11 21:31:29 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:31:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman and news
In-Reply-To: <20040510235311.GO13131@asu.edu>
References: <20040510235311.GO13131@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <VA.000018b5.022b4259@virtual-access.org>

David Bear wrote on Mon, 10 May 2004 16:53:11 -0700:

> I would like to setup a mail list that is threaded like a news group.
>

What exactly do you mean? Threading is done by the client and good clients 
do good threading in mail *and* news.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From alblack at achilles.net  Tue May 11 22:30:15 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:30:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] time stamp in logs
In-Reply-To: <0405111308540B.03219@localhost.localdomain>
References: <0405111308540B.03219@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <0405111630150E.03219@localhost.localdomain>

On Tuesday 11 May 2004 13:08, Al Black wrote:
> Hi gang,
>
> I didn't see anything in the FAQ about this, so I thought I'd check here. 
> Is there a way to configure mailman so that its log entries can be written
> in GMT rather than the local server time?

Got it.  The easiest solution is to change my local server time:

cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/GMT ~/etc/localtime

al



From cwieland at uci.edu  Tue May 11 23:12:31 2004
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:12:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news server errors
Message-ID: <EA51B7B5-A38F-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>

Hello

I'm getting errors from the 'fromusenet' logs

May 11 14:10:02 2004 (23563) error opening connection to nntp_host:
(146, 'Connection refused')

does anyone know how to find out which lists are configured for usenet 
news exchanges?

TIA
Con Wieland
Network and Academic Computing
UC Irvine




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 11 23:12:48 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:12:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] time stamp in logs
In-Reply-To: <0405111308540B.03219@localhost.localdomain>
References: <0405111308540B.03219@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <p06002022bcc6f1e3a78a@[10.0.1.2]>

At 1:08 PM -0400 2004/05/11, Al Black wrote:

>  I didn't see anything in the FAQ about this, so I thought I'd check here.  Is
>  there a way to configure mailman so that its log entries can be written in
>  GMT rather than the local server time?

	This is something that you set within your OS.  You can set the 
system time to be in GMT.  If you're using some variant of Unix, you 
can set the "TZ" environment variable to be appropriate for GMT, 
before you startup Mailman.

	Of course, the latter will only work for logs written directly by 
Mailman itself, whereas the former will cause all logs on the system 
to be in GMT.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 11 23:24:07 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:24:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news server errors
In-Reply-To: <EA51B7B5-A38F-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
References: <EA51B7B5-A38F-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002023bcc6f45b3ba5@[10.0.1.2]>

At 2:12 PM -0700 2004/05/11, Con Wieland wrote:

>  I'm getting errors from the 'fromusenet' logs
>
>  May 11 14:10:02 2004 (23563) error opening connection to nntp_host:
>  (146, 'Connection refused')
>
>  does anyone know how to find out which lists are configured for usenet
>  news exchanges?

	Go to "Mail<->News gateways" for each of your lists, and see 
which ones have the "Should new posts to the mailing list be sent to 
the newsgroup?" radio button set?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From arijort at gmail.com  Tue May 11 23:25:48 2004
From: arijort at gmail.com (Ari Jort)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:25:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing From line in anonymous list
Message-ID: <6ce91fd0040511142577552dd2@mail.gmail.com>

I have a list with the anonymous_list field set to Yes because we 
want to rewrite the From and Reply-To headers.

The result of this setting is that the From: line contains the list
email address e.g.:

From: mylist at lists.here.com


However, I would like to have that From line look like this:

From: My List <mylist at lists.here.com>


Where the string "My List" could be from the description field on the list.

Has anyone tried to do that?

This appear to be impossible to set in the configuration, since the 
method in Mailman/MailList.py:getListAddress() only returns an email
address.  The code doesn't seem to have a way to get the description.

There could be a function like this:

def getFriendlyListAddress(self);
    return '%s <%s@%s>' % (self.description, self.internal_name(),
self.host_name)

with maybe some extra code to handle the situation where
self.description is blank.

Does this make sense?  Has anyone else tried this?

Thanks,



ari



From David.Bear at asu.edu  Wed May 12 01:59:57 2004
From: David.Bear at asu.edu (David Bear)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:59:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists.org is down?
Message-ID: <20040511235957.GE13131@asu.edu>

anyone else getting connection refused when going to lists.org?

I was hoping to find some good readme's about mailman... but since I'm
in my mailer..

I would like mailman to hand 'send only' lists, ie something like the
listserve distribute job with old listserve software. This is where
you could create a list if recipients, send your message to that list,
then each recipient would think they had a personalized email to
them... the message would appear to be from the 'sender' rather than
the list.  Ofcourse, associated with this one would need a web
interface to manage mailing lists..

the goal of course is to free my users from the bane of outlook
lists...

-- 
David Bear
phone: 	480-965-8257
fax: 	480-965-9189
College of Public Programs/ASU
Wilson Hall 232
Tempe, AZ 85287-0803
 "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of trespassing"



From cwieland at uci.edu  Wed May 12 02:33:11 2004
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:33:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More on news server errors
Message-ID: <F2DDAB50-A3AB-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>

My problem is I get the following error:

May 11 14:55:01 2004 (23921) error opening connection to nntp_host:
(146, 'Connection refused')

It looks like Mailman is trying to connect to  my newserver on port 146 
if I'm reading this right. My *nix host is set to nntp on port 119. 
Port 119 does appear to work, I am able to make a connection to the 
news server when I telnet to it on that port 119 but  receive a similar 
looking error when I telnet port 146.

directory.nac.uci.edu% telnet news.service.uci.edu 146
Trying 128.200.15.230...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused

I have not been able to find any mailman configurations to change this.

Any ideas?
Con Wieland




From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Wed May 12 02:53:39 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:53:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send to list error
In-Reply-To: <VA.000018b6.022b4259@virtual-access.org>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<VA.000018b6.022b4259@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <200405112053.39681.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

I tried it with brackets and still get the same error. I can ping the mailman 
server from the mailserver (nkuaxp.nku.edu). In the error it strips off the 
brackets.

From nkuaxp:

Sending failed:
Message sending failed since the following recipients were rejected by the 
server:
servergroup at 10.20.1.163 (The server responded: "5.1.2 unknown host or domain: 
servergroup at 10.20.1.163")



From exchange 5.5 server

Sending failed:
Message sending failed since the following recipients were rejected by the 
server:
servergroup at 10.20.1.163 (The server responded: "Relaying is prohibited")


the address in the To: field was    servergroup@[10.20.1.163]     for both.


Sendmail is being used on the mailman server. 
I don't understand why the exchange server would say that relaying is 
prohibited. Is this a problem on the mailman server. If so what do i need to 
do to fix it. 

Thanks
Brian

On Tuesday 11 May 2004 15:31, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> Brian York wrote on Mon, 10 May 2004 22:33:44 -0400:
> > servergroup at 10.20.1.163
>
> There's your answer, that's not a valid domain or email address. Try with
> [] brackets around the IP.
>
>
> Kai



From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Wed May 12 03:39:12 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:39:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send to list error
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405112007320.19578@sun.iwu.edu>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200405112053.39681.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405112007320.19578@sun.iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <200405112139.12376.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

Here is something odd aswell i tried tried to send this message to your 
address @iwu.edu and got the same message relaying is prohibited.

_____________

I have this in both files.

DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = '10.20.1.163'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = '10.20.1.163'

This address is just for testing purposes internally now.



On Tuesday 11 May 2004 21:11, you wrote:
> hmmm.... try doing a reverse dns lookup on the server you are sending from
> and see if it is a valid client to be sending mail through your exchange
> server.  if not you may have to add it to your dns or agents to relay mail
> for (at least i think that is what that version of exchange calles it)
>
> i am also noticing that you are getting "5.1.2" as your 'from' host.  i
> know you know that that isnt a valid ip address, so you may want to check
> Mailman\mm_config.py and Mailman\Defaults.py for a typo in the
> EMAIL_HOST area.
>
> pat
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-- The lines which your eye falls on first here were written last.  Their
> purpose is to make yet another attempt to force into the form of a letter
> the detailed investigation which is sent to you herewith.  These lines
> correspond, then, with the last lines and together they form an envelope,
> thus indicating in an external way what interal proofs in many ways will
> convince you of, that this is a letter you are reading.
> ~Kierkegaard
>
> On Tue, 11 May 2004, Brian York wrote:
> > I tried it with brackets and still get the same error. I can ping the
> > mailman server from the mailserver (nkuaxp.nku.edu). In the error it
> > strips off the brackets.
> >
> > From nkuaxp:
> >
> > Sending failed:
> > Message sending failed since the following recipients were rejected by
> > the server:
> > servergroup at 10.20.1.163 (The server responded: "5.1.2 unknown host or
> > domain: servergroup at 10.20.1.163")
> >
> >
> >
> > From exchange 5.5 server
> >
> > Sending failed:
> > Message sending failed since the following recipients were rejected by
> > the server:
> > servergroup at 10.20.1.163 (The server responded: "Relaying is prohibited")
> >
> >
> > the address in the To: field was    servergroup@[10.20.1.163]     for
> > both.
> >
> >
> > Sendmail is being used on the mailman server.
> > I don't understand why the exchange server would say that relaying is
> > prohibited. Is this a problem on the mailman server. If so what do i need
> > to do to fix it.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Brian
> >
> > On Tuesday 11 May 2004 15:31, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> > > Brian York wrote on Mon, 10 May 2004 22:33:44 -0400:
> > > > servergroup at 10.20.1.163
> > >
> > > There's your answer, that's not a valid domain or email address. Try
> > > with [] brackets around the IP.
> > >
> > >
> > > Kai
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/



From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Wed May 12 03:48:12 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:48:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender modification
In-Reply-To: <AF8BF2AA-A366-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <p0600201dbcc69df3fb4d@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <40A11FEC.15680.AD1F64@localhost>

I'm going to ask why it is there at all?  I just checked over 50 messages 
and the only ones I have with the Sender and the Errors headers are 
those from Mailman.  If there are to be RFC compliant - why does no 
one else have them? (Errors I am guessing are for Mailman - but since 
it does not read that line...)

(Even my tech bulletins from Microsoft, Apple and Symantec do not 
have them.)





From:           	Richard Barrett <r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk>
Subject:        	Re: [Mailman-Users] Sender modification
Date sent:      	Tue, 11 May 2004 17:17:23 +0100
To:             	cgross at 2blc.com
Copies to:      	Mailman-Users at python.org

> Right near the end of  
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp  
> you will find details of a hack to the MM source code for MM 2.1.x  
> which changes the Sender: header value from listname-bounces to  
> listname, while leaving the envelope sender as listname-bounces for  
> bounce handling. The line number referenced in the FAQ is approximate;  
> depending on what exact version of MM 2.1.x source you are running you  
> may find the line to be changed a few either way of the one stipulated.
> 
> This is an attempt to alleviate the pain that some users (and list  
> admins) appear to experience with the conflation of From: and Sender:  
> headers in the displayed From field of the web GUI of some versions of  
> some Microsoft MUAs. If that is your problem, this hack might help.
> 
> With well behaved MTAs that send bounce messages back to the envelope  
> sender this change should be safe but if it blows up in your face  
> because a badly behaved MTA sends a bounce back to the Sender header,  
> which is now the primary list address, and hence to the list itself, it  
> is on your head; you have been warned.
> 
> That said, the change is one-line-simple and easy to reverse if things  
> start to go pear shaped.
> 
> On 11 May 2004, at 16:17, Brad Knowles wrote:
> 
> > At 4:54 PM +0200 2004/05/11, cedric gross wrote:
> >
> >>  Is there a way to change the sender of mail (i.e.  
> >> mailman-user-bounce) with
> >>  something more humain like : The Mailman User list
> >>  <mailman-users at python.org) ?
> >
> > 	You can go throughout the Mailman code and change listname-bounces to  
> > whatever you want, but this is not recommended.
> >
> > 	Bounces will actually come back to this address, so whatever you do,  
> > you have to be able to distinguish between bounces and original  
> > submissions.  But if you had a violent opposition to the string  
> > "-bounces" appearing anywhere, you could change this to be "-fred" or  
> > whatever else you may want.
> >
> >>  Or must I do it by canonical rewriting ?
> >
> > 	That would be an extremely bad idea.  You would be destroying vital  
> > information encoded in the envelope sender address, which could not be  
> > recovered once a bounce occurred.
> >
> > 	See Mailman FAQ 2.2 at  
> > <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.002.htp>  
> > and FAW 2.3 at  
> > <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
> > req=show&file=faq02.003.htp>.
> >
> > -- 
> > Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> >
> > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> >     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
> >
> >   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
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From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Wed May 12 03:48:13 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:48:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing From line in anonymous list
In-Reply-To: <6ce91fd0040511142577552dd2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40A11FED.27624.AD2375@localhost>

You could always hard code it  - I think it would be in CookHeaders.

Date sent:      	Tue, 11 May 2004 17:25:48 -0400
From:           	Ari Jort <arijort at gmail.com>
To:             	mailman-users at python.org
Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] editing From line in anonymous list

> I have a list with the anonymous_list field set to Yes because we 
> want to rewrite the From and Reply-To headers.
> 
> The result of this setting is that the From: line contains the list
> email address e.g.:
> 
> From: mylist at lists.here.com
> 
> 
> However, I would like to have that From line look like this:
> 
> From: My List <mylist at lists.here.com>
> 
> 
> Where the string "My List" could be from the description field on the list.
> 
> Has anyone tried to do that?
> 
> This appear to be impossible to set in the configuration, since the 
> method in Mailman/MailList.py:getListAddress() only returns an email
> address.  The code doesn't seem to have a way to get the description.
> 
> There could be a function like this:
> 
> def getFriendlyListAddress(self);
>     return '%s <%s@%s>' % (self.description, self.internal_name(),
> self.host_name)
> 
> with maybe some extra code to handle the situation where
> self.description is blank.
> 
> Does this make sense?  Has anyone else tried this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> ari
> 
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From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Wed May 12 03:49:34 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:49:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is email merge supported?
In-Reply-To: <002b01c43757$97931de0$c747ef9b@JPGrobler>
Message-ID: <40A1203E.6775.AE5F9E@localhost>

Only in headers and footers.  

Don't I wish it were not so........



From:           	"JP Grobler" <jpgrobler at ag0ny.com>
To:             	<mailman-users at python.org>
Date sent:      	Tue, 11 May 2004 14:57:58 +0200
Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] Is email merge supported?

> Hi
> 
> Can names etc be merged into emails?
> 
> Thanks
> JP
> 
> 
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From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Wed May 12 03:53:33 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:53:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] generalized specs question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405101642220.11188@sun.iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <40A1212D.10236.B207C4@localhost>

Depends on whether personalized and the size of the emails.  I scan 
usually send 20,000 - 40,000 personalized, 10-15k in under two hours.  
It also depends on how clean your list is.  The more bad addresses the 
longer it takes.




Date sent:      	Mon, 10 May 2004 16:51:51 -0500 (CDT)
From:           	Pat Riehecky <prieheck at iwu.edu>
To:             	mailman-users at python.org
Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] generalized specs question

> The site where I work is considering replacing our current listprocessor
> (ListProc 6.0c) with either Mailman or Majordomo.  So I was
> going to as a benchmarking type question, what sort of a system would be
> required to run 100 lists each sending out 100 emails a day?  Obviously a
> 486 /can/ do it, but reasonibly fast sending is nice.  (ie would something
> like a pentium2 250 with 128 RAM be enough)
> 
> Secondly how long (estimate, please) would it take to send all 10000
> emails should they be sent to the lists at the same time?
> 
> Thanks a bunch!
> pat
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The lines which your eye falls on first here were written last.  Their
> purpose is to make yet another attempt to force into the form of a letter
> the detailed investigation which is sent to you herewith.  These lines
> correspond, then, with the last lines and together they form an envelope,
> thus indicating in an external way what interal proofs in many ways will
> convince you of, that this is a letter you are reading.
> ~Kierkegaard
> 
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From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Wed May 12 05:04:55 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 22:04:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] generalized specs question
References: <40A1212D.10236.B207C4@localhost>
Message-ID: <02ee01c437cd$e8902280$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:

> Depends on whether personalized and the size of the emails.  I scan
> usually send 20,000 - 40,000 personalized, 10-15k in under two hours.
> It also depends on how clean your list is.  The more bad addresses the
> longer it takes.

and the more Yahoo and Hotmail addresses, the longer it takes.  Most large
freemail providers' servers are always overwhelmed and very slow to accept
mail.  I've sat and watched a single mail transaction for a 2k email going
to Yahoo take over 10 minutes from start to finish.

hth,
texas critter

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed May 12 07:41:52 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 06:41:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More on news server errors
In-Reply-To: <F2DDAB50-A3AB-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
References: <F2DDAB50-A3AB-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
Message-ID: <11FDEE20-A3D7-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 12 May 2004, at 01:33, Con Wieland wrote:

> My problem is I get the following error:
>
> May 11 14:55:01 2004 (23921) error opening connection to nntp_host:
> (146, 'Connection refused')
>
> It looks like Mailman is trying to connect to  my newserver on port 
> 146 if I'm reading this right.

You are not. The 146 is just an error number whose description follows.

>  My *nix host is set to nntp on port 119. Port 119 does appear to work,

Mailman uses the default NNTP port number of 119 (but see below if you 
want it to use something else)

> I am able to make a connection to the news server when I telnet to it 
> on that port 119

But MM says it is getting connection refused when it tries.

> but  receive a similar looking error when I telnet port 146.
>
> directory.nac.uci.edu% telnet news.service.uci.edu 146
> Trying 128.200.15.230...
> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
>
> I have not been able to find any mailman configurations to change this.
>

In case you do want to explicitly specify a port number to use for NNTP 
then enter the NNTP host as 'host:port'

The code splits the host and port on the ':' in the string. If the ':' 
and port are absent it then it defaults to port 119.

> Any ideas?

MM is not using a non-standard port so you will probably have to look 
elsewhere for your solution.

> Con Wieland
>




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed May 12 07:51:52 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 06:51:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send to list error
In-Reply-To: <200405112139.12376.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200405112053.39681.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405112007320.19578@sun.iwu.edu>
	<200405112139.12376.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <77DBD653-A3D8-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 12 May 2004, at 02:39, Brian York wrote:

> Here is something odd aswell i tried tried to send this message to your
> address @iwu.edu and got the same message relaying is prohibited.
>
> _____________
>
> I have this in both files.
>
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = '10.20.1.163'
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = '10.20.1.163'
>
> This address is just for testing purposes internally now.
>
>

You are unlikely to persuade any MTA to accept messages for relaying  
unless you specify a FQDN for the sending host for which an MX  
(preferably) or a A record can be acquired from DNS by the MTA; an  
explicit IP number is not likely to be accepted.

>
> On Tuesday 11 May 2004 21:11, you wrote:
>> hmmm.... try doing a reverse dns lookup on the server you are sending  
>> from
>> and see if it is a valid client to be sending mail through your  
>> exchange
>> server.  if not you may have to add it to your dns or agents to relay  
>> mail
>> for (at least i think that is what that version of exchange calles it)
>>
>> i am also noticing that you are getting "5.1.2" as your 'from' host.   
>> i
>> know you know that that isnt a valid ip address, so you may want to  
>> check
>> Mailman\mm_config.py and Mailman\Defaults.py for a typo in the
>> EMAIL_HOST area.
>>
>> pat
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> -----
>> -- The lines which your eye falls on first here were written last.   
>> Their
>> purpose is to make yet another attempt to force into the form of a  
>> letter
>> the detailed investigation which is sent to you herewith.  These lines
>> correspond, then, with the last lines and together they form an  
>> envelope,
>> thus indicating in an external way what interal proofs in many ways  
>> will
>> convince you of, that this is a letter you are reading.
>> ~Kierkegaard
>>
>> On Tue, 11 May 2004, Brian York wrote:
>>> I tried it with brackets and still get the same error. I can ping the
>>> mailman server from the mailserver (nkuaxp.nku.edu). In the error it
>>> strips off the brackets.
>>>
>>> From nkuaxp:
>>>
>>> Sending failed:
>>> Message sending failed since the following recipients were rejected  
>>> by
>>> the server:
>>> servergroup at 10.20.1.163 (The server responded: "5.1.2 unknown host or
>>> domain: servergroup at 10.20.1.163")
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From exchange 5.5 server
>>>
>>> Sending failed:
>>> Message sending failed since the following recipients were rejected  
>>> by
>>> the server:
>>> servergroup at 10.20.1.163 (The server responded: "Relaying is  
>>> prohibited")
>>>
>>>
>>> the address in the To: field was    servergroup@[10.20.1.163]     for
>>> both.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sendmail is being used on the mailman server.
>>> I don't understand why the exchange server would say that relaying is
>>> prohibited. Is this a problem on the mailman server. If so what do i  
>>> need
>>> to do to fix it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 11 May 2004 15:31, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
>>>> Brian York wrote on Mon, 10 May 2004 22:33:44 -0400:
>>>>> servergroup at 10.20.1.163
>>>>
>>>> There's your answer, that's not a valid domain or email address. Try
>>>> with [] brackets around the IP.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kai
>>>
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>
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed May 12 08:18:00 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 07:18:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender modification
In-Reply-To: <40A11FEC.15680.AD1F64@localhost>
References: <p0600201dbcc69df3fb4d@[10.0.1.2]>
	<40A11FEC.15680.AD1F64@localhost>
Message-ID: <1E9B8A65-A3DC-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 12 May 2004, at 02:48, Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:

> I'm going to ask why it is there at all?

Look under head "3.6.2. Originator fields" of RFC 2822. The relevant  
portion says:

<quote>
    The "Sender:" field specifies the
    mailbox of the agent responsible for the actual transmission of the
    message.  For example, if a secretary were to send a message for
    another person, the mailbox of the secretary would appear in the
    "Sender:" field and the mailbox of the actual author would appear in
    the "From:" field.  If the originator of the message can be indicated
    by a single mailbox and the author and transmitter are identical, the
    "Sender:" field SHOULD NOT be used.  Otherwise, both fields SHOULD
    appear.
</quote>

View Mailman as being the secretary distributing a message for the  
actual message originator. Mailman is never the true originator of a  
posted message it is normally distributing.

In the usual circumstance, the the originator's address goes in the  
From: and the listname-bounces address (or listname address with the  
hack suggested) _should_ go in the Sender: in order to be RFC  
compliant.

> I just checked over 50 messages
> and the only ones I have with the Sender and the Errors headers are
> those from Mailman.  If there are to be RFC compliant - why does no
> one else have them? (Errors I am guessing are for Mailman - but since
> it does not read that line...)
>
> (Even my tech bulletins from Microsoft, Apple and Symantec do not
> have them.)
>
>

No comment about selected originators or methodology. What are you  
trying to prove; no do not answer that I was just being rhetorical.

>
>
>
> From:           	Richard Barrett <r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk>
> Subject:        	Re: [Mailman-Users] Sender modification
> Date sent:      	Tue, 11 May 2004 17:17:23 +0100
> To:             	cgross at 2blc.com
> Copies to:      	Mailman-Users at python.org
>
>> Right near the end of
>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp
>> you will find details of a hack to the MM source code for MM 2.1.x
>> which changes the Sender: header value from listname-bounces to
>> listname, while leaving the envelope sender as listname-bounces for
>> bounce handling. The line number referenced in the FAQ is approximate;
>> depending on what exact version of MM 2.1.x source you are running you
>> may find the line to be changed a few either way of the one  
>> stipulated.
>>
>> This is an attempt to alleviate the pain that some users (and list
>> admins) appear to experience with the conflation of From: and Sender:
>> headers in the displayed From field of the web GUI of some versions of
>> some Microsoft MUAs. If that is your problem, this hack might help.
>>
>> With well behaved MTAs that send bounce messages back to the envelope
>> sender this change should be safe but if it blows up in your face
>> because a badly behaved MTA sends a bounce back to the Sender header,
>> which is now the primary list address, and hence to the list itself,  
>> it
>> is on your head; you have been warned.
>>
>> That said, the change is one-line-simple and easy to reverse if things
>> start to go pear shaped.
>>
>> On 11 May 2004, at 16:17, Brad Knowles wrote:
>>
>>> At 4:54 PM +0200 2004/05/11, cedric gross wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Is there a way to change the sender of mail (i.e.
>>>> mailman-user-bounce) with
>>>>  something more humain like : The Mailman User list
>>>>  <mailman-users at python.org) ?
>>>
>>> 	You can go throughout the Mailman code and change listname-bounces  
>>> to
>>> whatever you want, but this is not recommended.
>>>
>>> 	Bounces will actually come back to this address, so whatever you do,
>>> you have to be able to distinguish between bounces and original
>>> submissions.  But if you had a violent opposition to the string
>>> "-bounces" appearing anywhere, you could change this to be "-fred" or
>>> whatever else you may want.
>>>
>>>>  Or must I do it by canonical rewriting ?
>>>
>>> 	That would be an extremely bad idea.  You would be destroying vital
>>> information encoded in the envelope sender address, which could not  
>>> be
>>> recovered once a bounce occurred.
>>>
>>> 	See Mailman FAQ 2.2 at
>>> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
>>> req=show&file=faq02.002.htp>
>>> and FAW 2.3 at
>>> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?
>>> req=show&file=faq02.003.htp>.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>>>
>>> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>>>     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>>>
>>>   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.




From somu at paprikaas.biz  Wed May 12 12:19:31 2004
From: somu at paprikaas.biz (Somshekar)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:49:31 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DSL
Message-ID: <20040512101931.30238.qmail@mail.s2lmail.com>

hi 

i wanted to setup mailman in DSL connection and i have a static IP. My 
postfix is working good. pl tell me how should i go about it 

thanks in advance 

bye
somu



From maillists at conactive.com  Wed May 12 13:31:29 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:31:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DSL
In-Reply-To: <20040512101931.30238.qmail@mail.s2lmail.com>
References: <20040512101931.30238.qmail@mail.s2lmail.com>
Message-ID: <VA.000018b8.00c145b5@virtual-access.org>

Somshekar wrote on Wed, 12 May 2004 15:49:31 +0530:

> i wanted to setup mailman in DSL connection and i have a static IP. My 
> postfix is working good. pl tell me how should i go about it
>

There's nothing special, it's not of interest to Mailman, if you use DSL 
or not, just follow the setup instructions.


Kai

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From maillists at conactive.com  Wed May 12 13:31:29 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:31:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender modification
In-Reply-To: <40A11FEC.15680.AD1F64@localhost>
References: <p0600201dbcc69df3fb4d@[10.0.1.2]>
	<40A11FEC.15680.AD1F64@localhost>
Message-ID: <VA.000018b7.00c145b5@virtual-access.org>

Lloyd F. Tennison wrote on Tue, 11 May 2004 18:48:12 -0700:

> Sender and the Errors
>

Sender is widely in use. Don't know what you mean by Errors.


Kai

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From relson at osagesoftware.com  Wed May 12 14:04:13 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:04:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DSL
In-Reply-To: <20040512101931.30238.qmail@mail.s2lmail.com>
References: <20040512101931.30238.qmail@mail.s2lmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040512080413.747637a0@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Wed, 12 May 2004 15:49:31 +0530
Somshekar wrote:

> hi 
> 
> i wanted to setup mailman in DSL connection and i have a static IP. My
> 
> postfix is working good. pl tell me how should i go about it 
> 
> thanks in advance 
> 
> bye
> somu

Hi,

The connection type doesn't matter.  If you've already got a mail server
running, then you can add mailman.  The details vary depending on the
particular mail server you use.  

I'm running off a DSL connection and that fact didn't enter into the
configuration.  What _did_ matter is that I run postfix, hence needed to
do the right stuff for the postfix/mailman combination.

Also relevant is that mailman's web interface needs to have apache (or
other http daemon) running.

Enjoy,

David





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed May 12 14:11:08 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:11:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender modification
In-Reply-To: <VA.000018b7.00c145b5@virtual-access.org>
References: <p0600201dbcc69df3fb4d@[10.0.1.2]>
	<40A11FEC.15680.AD1F64@localhost>
	<VA.000018b7.00c145b5@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <734236F5-A40D-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 12 May 2004, at 12:31, Kai Schaetzl wrote:

> Lloyd F. Tennison wrote on Tue, 11 May 2004 18:48:12 -0700:
>
>> Sender and the Errors
>>
>
> Sender is widely in use. Don't know what you mean by Errors.
>

I think he was referring to the Errors-to: header which MM inserts. Not 
an RFC mandated header and deprecated (see 
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2076.txt) by IETF but used, I believe, for 
backwards compatibility with older MTAs which might use this header as 
the destination for bounce notices rather than the SMTP envelope 
sender.

>
> Kai
>
> -- 
>
> Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
> Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
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From somu at paprikaas.biz  Wed May 12 14:43:12 2004
From: somu at paprikaas.biz (Somshekar)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 18:13:12 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: DSL
In-Reply-To: <VA.000018b8.00c145b5@virtual-access.org> 
References: <20040512101931.30238.qmail@mail.s2lmail.com>
	<VA.000018b8.00c145b5@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <20040512124312.20167.qmail@mail.s2lmail.com>

Kai Schaetzl writes:
thanks kai 

i will start working on it
> Somshekar wrote on Wed, 12 May 2004 15:49:31 +0530: 
> 
>> i wanted to setup mailman in DSL connection and i have a static IP. My 
>> postfix is working good. pl tell me how should i go about it 
>>
> 
> There's nothing special, it's not of interest to Mailman, if you use DSL 
> or not, just follow the setup instructions. 
> 
> 
> Kai 
> 
> --  
> 
> Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
> Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
> IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org 
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From srb at umich.edu  Wed May 12 15:22:30 2004
From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:22:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DSL
In-Reply-To: <20040512101931.30238.qmail@mail.s2lmail.com>
References: <20040512101931.30238.qmail@mail.s2lmail.com>
Message-ID: <925EBF98A1FB7CD24DAD10B0@srb.icpsr.umich.edu>

--On Wednesday, May 12, 2004 3:49 PM +0530 Somshekar <somu at paprikaas.biz> 
wrote:

> i wanted to setup mailman in DSL connection and i have a static IP. My
> postfix is working good. pl tell me how should i go about it
> thanks in advance

To which I reply:

Download the tarball.  Un-tar it.  Read the documentation.

-- 
Steve Burling                                    <mailto:srb at umich.edu>
University of Michigan, ICPSR                    Voice: +1 734 615.3779
330 Packard Street                               FAX:   +1 734 647.8700
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910



From prieheck at iwu.edu  Wed May 12 03:11:59 2004
From: prieheck at iwu.edu (Pat Riehecky)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:11:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send to list error
In-Reply-To: <200405112053.39681.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<VA.000018b6.022b4259@virtual-access.org>
	<200405112053.39681.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405112007320.19578@sun.iwu.edu>

hmmm.... try doing a reverse dns lookup on the server you are sending from
and see if it is a valid client to be sending mail through your exchange
server.  if not you may have to add it to your dns or agents to relay mail
for (at least i think that is what that version of exchange calles it)

i am also noticing that you are getting "5.1.2" as your 'from' host.  i
know you know that that isnt a valid ip address, so you may want to check
Mailman\mm_config.py and Mailman\Defaults.py for a typo in the
EMAIL_HOST area.

pat
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
The lines which your eye falls on first here were written last.  Their
purpose is to make yet another attempt to force into the form of a letter
the detailed investigation which is sent to you herewith.  These lines
correspond, then, with the last lines and together they form an envelope,
thus indicating in an external way what interal proofs in many ways will
convince you of, that this is a letter you are reading.
~Kierkegaard

On Tue, 11 May 2004, Brian York wrote:

> I tried it with brackets and still get the same error. I can ping the mailman
> server from the mailserver (nkuaxp.nku.edu). In the error it strips off the
> brackets.
>
> From nkuaxp:
>
> Sending failed:
> Message sending failed since the following recipients were rejected by the
> server:
> servergroup at 10.20.1.163 (The server responded: "5.1.2 unknown host or domain:
> servergroup at 10.20.1.163")
>
>
>
> From exchange 5.5 server
>
> Sending failed:
> Message sending failed since the following recipients were rejected by the
> server:
> servergroup at 10.20.1.163 (The server responded: "Relaying is prohibited")
>
>
> the address in the To: field was    servergroup@[10.20.1.163]     for both.
>
>
> Sendmail is being used on the mailman server.
> I don't understand why the exchange server would say that relaying is
> prohibited. Is this a problem on the mailman server. If so what do i need to
> do to fix it.
>
> Thanks
> Brian
>
> On Tuesday 11 May 2004 15:31, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> > Brian York wrote on Mon, 10 May 2004 22:33:44 -0400:
> > > servergroup at 10.20.1.163
> >
> > There's your answer, that's not a valid domain or email address. Try with
> > [] brackets around the IP.
> >
> >
> > Kai
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>



From d.richards at qut.edu.au  Wed May 12 03:42:26 2004
From: d.richards at qut.edu.au (David Richards)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:42:26 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing immediately unauthorised senders
Message-ID: <017801c437c2$6b436ae0$e47cb583@its.tils.qut.edu.au>

Hi,

I have a number of lists that have a limited set of addresses that can send to it.  Is there a way to bounce any other senders immediately, instead of queueing in the administrative requests?

Current settings:

moderated = NO
member_posting_only = NO
posters = ['a at xyz.com', 'b at xyz.com', 'z at abc.org' ]

mailman v2.0.13

Any ideas?

Thanks,

David Richards
 

From d.richards at qut.edu.au  Wed May 12 04:03:45 2004
From: d.richards at qut.edu.au (Dave Richards)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:03:45 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing immediately unauthorised senders
Message-ID: <01d801c437c5$6eae7af0$e47cb583@its.tils.qut.edu.au>

Hi,

I have a number of lists that have a limited set of addresses that can send to it.  Is there a way to bounce any other senders immediately, instead of queueing in the administrative requests?

Current settings:

moderated = NO
member_posting_only = NO
posters = ['a at xyz.com', 'b at xyz.com', 'z at abc.org' ]

mailman v2.0.13

Any ideas?

Thanks,

David Richards
Senior Network Programmer
Information Technology Services
Queensland University of Technology



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed May 12 16:11:42 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:11:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing immediately unauthorised
 senders
In-Reply-To: <01d801c437c5$6eae7af0$e47cb583@its.tils.qut.edu.au>
References: <01d801c437c5$6eae7af0$e47cb583@its.tils.qut.edu.au>
Message-ID: <p06002029bcc7df5b57b1@[10.0.1.2]>

At 12:03 PM +1000 2004/05/12, Dave Richards wrote:

>  I have a number of lists that have a limited set of addresses that can
>  send to it.  Is there a way to bounce any other senders immediately,
>  instead of queueing in the administrative requests?

	Go to the "Membership List" page under "Membership management..." 
and set the moderation flag to be "on" for all users.  Go to the 
"Sender Filters" page under "Privacy Options..." and turn on default 
moderation for all new users.

	Now, all current and future users will be moderated unless this 
value is cleared by the list administrator.


	On the same "Sender Filters" page, under "Action to take when a 
moderated member posts to the list", set that to be "Reject".  Under 
"List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically 
accepted" enter the list of addresses you want to automatically go 
through.  Under "Action to take for postings from non-members for 
which no explicit action is defined", also set that to be "Reject".

	Now, any posts from those specified addresses will go through, 
while everyone else will get a reject.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk  Wed May 12 20:19:18 2004
From: dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk (David W Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:19:18 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not as
	attachments
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0405121853190.24166@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>

Hi,

This evening a users sent a posting to one of my mailing lists that was
inappropriate for that list but was blocked as the user was not using
their subscribed email address.

Logging onto the mailing list web inteface, from within 'pending requests',
I discarded the posting and had it forwarded to another address (that of
the appropriate mailing list).

I then found that the posting text went out as an attachment, with the
body of the actual email text-less. Also the From: did not state the
original sender of the posting but as 'mylistname-bounces'.

So does anyone know if it's possible with a posting forwarded from
one list to another to have it

a) sent not as an attachment but with the text in the body of the email

and

b) contain a From: header with the sender's address and not a '-bounces'
one

??

Thanks for any advice or fixes.

David Smith

University of Oxford

Sys Admin



From prieheck at iwu.edu  Wed May 12 22:58:43 2004
From: prieheck at iwu.edu (Pat Riehecky)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:58:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two classes of people within a list
In-Reply-To: <200405112139.12376.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200405112053.39681.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405112007320.19578@sun.iwu.edu>
	<200405112139.12376.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121539460.19985@sun.iwu.edu>

Lets say that I have a list (games) and subscribed to the list are both
the game players and the game planers.  Is there a way to use the aliases
to allow email to circulate between the planers only without creating a
second list, as that is a site restriction (one list per group).

I was thinking the games-admin alias would be about perfect, but I have no
idea if it will even do what I want it to, nor how to go about adding
people to that field if it does what I want.
I figure that most people can't even remember one email address, so having
games at lists be pubic chat and games-admin at lists be planing would allow
for things to be simpler for changing admins around and what not....

pat

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
The lines which your eye falls on first here were written last.  Their
purpose is to make yet another attempt to force into the form of a letter
the detailed investigation which is sent to you herewith.  These lines
correspond, then, with the last lines and together they form an envelope,
thus indicating in an external way what interal proofs in many ways will
convince you of, that this is a letter you are reading.
~Kierkegaard



From gubitz at netcologne.de  Thu May 13 09:09:54 2004
From: gubitz at netcologne.de (Hans Gubitz)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:09:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] headers
Message-ID: <20040513070954.GA29116@redwitz79.de>

mailman 2.1.4 is running. Users can mail to different lists.

mailman is running on bluecherweb with the exim3 local_domains=...;gym-nippes.dnsalias.org

In mm_config.py I have: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.gym-nippes.dnsalias.org'

I have some problems with headers in emails from <list>-bounces.

When a new user subscribes a list there is sent an email to him by
<list>-bounces. It leaves our mailer-relay with the header:
from=<list>-bounces at lists.gym-nippes.dnsalias.org


May 13 08:07:14 stargate sendmail[12300]: IAA12300:
from=<linkus-dev-bounces at lists.gym-nippes.dnsalias.org>, si ze=2280,
class=-60, pri=140280, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<mailman.0.1084428453.12449.linkus-dev at lists.gym-nippes.dnsalia
s.org>, proto=ESMTP, relay=mail at bluecherweb.bluecher [192.168.4.50]
May 13 08:07:15 stargate sendmail[12302]: IAA12300:
to=<gubitz at redwitz79.de>, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01,
mailer=relay, relay=smtp.netcologne.de. [194.8.194.218], stat=Sent
(Ok: queued as B55983A120)


When the mail arrives at the user for confirming the headers are
wrong:

From: linkus-dev-request at gym-nippes.dnsalias.org
To: gubitz at redwitz79.de
Subject: confirm eca026472cf31fb7bc7693e5d2e49b42ac3a1847
Reply-To: linkus-dev-request at gym-nippes.dnsalias.org
Message-ID:
<mailman.0.1084428453.12449.linkus-dev at lists.gym-nippes.dnsalias.org>
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 08:07:33 +0200
Precedence: bulk
X-BeenThere: linkus-dev at lists.gym-nippes.dnsalias.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4
List-Id: Linkus Entwicklung <linkus-dev.lists.gym-nippes.dnsalias.org>
X-List-Administrivia: yes
Sender: linkus-dev-bounces at gym-nippes.dnsalias.org
Errors-To: linkus-dev-bounces at gym-nippes.dnsalias.org


He would send his confirming to
<list>-request at gym-nippes.dnsalias.org, but not to
<list>-request at lists.gym-nippes.dnsalias.org


What is setup wrong?

-Mailman?
-mail-server on bluecherweb, where mailman is running?
-mail-server on our relay?

Hans Gubitz




-- 
Hans Gubitz <gubitz at netcologne.de>




From barbara at sprog.auc.dk  Thu May 13 09:57:23 2004
From: barbara at sprog.auc.dk (Barbara B. Johansen)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:57:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrong URL for attachments
Message-ID: <40A32A63.60308@sprog.auc.dk>

I moved my lists from mailman 2.0.13 to 2.1.4
Everything seems to work fine and the handling of attachments in
archives in new created lists i nice.

But i goes wrong for all the lists i moved from the old installation.
The url to the attachments in the archives is wrong.

It uses the DEFAULT_URL_HOST defined in Default.py which is the same as
the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.
It should use the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST or DEFAULT_URL_HOST as they are
defined in the mm_cfg.py

The url is correct in lists created under the new mailman installation.
Is there a way to correct it for the moved lists too?

We use Exim 4.24 and apache 1.3.20 on solaris.

regards
Barbara

Barbara B. Johansen
Det Humanistiske Fakultets EDB-kontor
Aalborg Universitet
Kroghstraede 3
DK 9220 Aalborg



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 13 11:07:03 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:07:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] headers
In-Reply-To: <20040513070954.GA29116@redwitz79.de>
References: <20040513070954.GA29116@redwitz79.de>
Message-ID: <p06002030bcc8eae43583@[10.0.1.2]>

At 9:09 AM +0200 2004/05/13, Hans Gubitz wrote:

>  He would send his confirming to
>  <list>-request at gym-nippes.dnsalias.org, but not to
>  <list>-request at lists.gym-nippes.dnsalias.org
>
>  What is setup wrong?

	Note that lists.gym-nippes.dnsalias.org is a CNAME alias to 
gym-nippes.dnsalias.org.  This causes problems because the SMTP mail 
RFCs require that all CNAME aliases be replaced by the canonical 
names to which they point.  Make lists.gym-nippes.dnsalias.org point 
directly to an IP address, and you should be fine.

>  -Mailman?
>  -mail-server on bluecherweb, where mailman is running?
>  -mail-server on our relay?

	Your DNS.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu May 13 11:38:49 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:38:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrong URL for attachments
In-Reply-To: <40A32A63.60308@sprog.auc.dk>
References: <40A32A63.60308@sprog.auc.dk>
Message-ID: <56C1D986-A4C1-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 13 May 2004, at 08:57, Barbara B. Johansen wrote:

> I moved my lists from mailman 2.0.13 to 2.1.4
> Everything seems to work fine and the handling of attachments in
> archives in new created lists i nice.
>
> But i goes wrong for all the lists i moved from the old installation.
> The url to the attachments in the archives is wrong.
>
> It uses the DEFAULT_URL_HOST defined in Default.py which is the same as
> the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.
> It should use the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST or DEFAULT_URL_HOST as they are
> defined in the mm_cfg.py
>
> The url is correct in lists created under the new mailman installation.
> Is there a way to correct it for the moved lists too?
>

Use bin/fix_url.py

Not that you will probably have to use bin/arch --wipe to rebuild the 
archives with the defective URLs after using fix_url

This FAQ entry may also help:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp


> We use Exim 4.24 and apache 1.3.20 on solaris.
>
> regards
> Barbara
>
> Barbara B. Johansen
> Det Humanistiske Fakultets EDB-kontor
> Aalborg Universitet
> Kroghstraede 3
> DK 9220 Aalborg




From cwieland at uci.edu  Thu May 13 16:21:19 2004
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 07:21:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more on gate_news
Message-ID: <CD644968-A4E8-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>

I get the following error when gate_news is run:

May 13 07:00:01 2004 (7939) error opening connection to nntp_host:
(146, 'Connection refused')

The error should include the nntp_host but upon further investigation 
the variable isn't being set.


I'm running:

solaris 9
mailman 2.1.4
Python 2.3.3

My questions are:

Is this a bug?
Does anyone else have the  gate_news running, what versions?
Has anyone had a similar problem or better yet any ideas on where to go 
from here, unfortunately I'm kinda in the 'learn as you go' mode on 
python.

Thanks in advance for any help
Con Wieland
Network and Academic Computing Services
UC Irvine 




From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Thu May 13 17:16:16 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:16:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more on gate_news
References: <CD644968-A4E8-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
Message-ID: <00c101c438fd$3e435d20$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Con Wieland wrote:

> I get the following error when gate_news is run:
>
> May 13 07:00:01 2004 (7939) error opening connection to nntp_host:
> (146, 'Connection refused')
>
> The error should include the nntp_host but upon further investigation
> the variable isn't being set.

Have you edited the mm_cfg.py to put in your nntp host, username and
password (if required)?

> Does anyone else have the  gate_news running, what versions?

I'm running gate_news thru the mailman cron job, have been for almost a
month now and it works fine.

I'm running cPanel on Redhat 7.3 with Mailman 2.1.3.

hth,
texas critter

-- 
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/





From somu at paprikaas.biz  Thu May 13 17:50:18 2004
From: somu at paprikaas.biz (Somshekar)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 21:20:18 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pl help me 
Message-ID: <20040513155018.7048.qmail@mail.s2lmail.com>

hi 

i can create mail from shell prompt but when i go on web interface this the 
error i am getting 

Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the CGI
wrapper script to be executed as group "nobody", but
the system's web server executed the CGI script as
group "apache".  Try tweaking the web server to run the
script as group "nobody", or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=apache'. 

thanks 

bye



From jp at warpix.org  Thu May 13 18:35:51 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:35:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site list is missing: mailman
Message-ID: <20040513173551.S85@warpix.org>


I've just tried starting up mailmanctl (from v2.1.4) for the first time 
and get the error msg:-

Site list is missing: mailman


Can anyone explain precisely what is missing? Is it an alias, a userid, an 
executable a directory or some entry in a table? 

How am I supposed to detemine what is missing?


-- 
John





From cwieland at uci.edu  Thu May 13 19:34:25 2004
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:34:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site list is missing: mailman
In-Reply-To: <20040513173551.S85@warpix.org>
References: <20040513173551.S85@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <C796323F-A503-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>

You need to create the list :  mailman

run

~mailman/bin/newlist

con

On May 13, 2004, at 9:35 AM, John Poltorak wrote:

>
> I've just tried starting up mailmanctl (from v2.1.4) for the first time
> and get the error msg:-
>
> Site list is missing: mailman
>
>
> Can anyone explain precisely what is missing? Is it an alias, a 
> userid, an
> executable a directory or some entry in a table?
>
> How am I supposed to detemine what is missing?
>
>
> -- 
> John
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu May 13 19:40:41 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 18:40:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site list is missing: mailman
In-Reply-To: <20040513173551.S85@warpix.org>
References: <20040513173551.S85@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <A7962292-A504-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 13 May 2004, at 17:35, John Poltorak wrote:

>
> I've just tried starting up mailmanctl (from v2.1.4) for the first time
> and get the error msg:-
>
> Site list is missing: mailman
>
>

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
query=Site+list+is+missing%3A+mailman&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req= 
search

FAQs, just the FAQs

>
> Can anyone explain precisely what is missing? Is it an alias, a  
> userid, an
> executable a directory or some entry in a table?
>
> How am I supposed to detemine what is missing?
>
>
> -- 
> John




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu May 13 20:03:21 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:03:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pl help me 
In-Reply-To: <20040513155018.7048.qmail@mail.s2lmail.com>
References: <20040513155018.7048.qmail@mail.s2lmail.com>
Message-ID: <D21FB026-A507-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 13 May 2004, at 16:50, Somshekar wrote:

> hi
> i can create mail from shell prompt but when i go on web interface 
> this the error i am getting
> Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the CGI
> wrapper script to be executed as group "nobody", but
> the system's web server executed the CGI script as
> group "apache".  Try tweaking the web server to run the
> script as group "nobody", or re-run configure,
> providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=apache'.
> thanks
> bye
>

Mailman expects it CGI scripts to be run under a particular gid. It 
looks as though when MM was configured and installed on your system it 
was not told to expect its CGI scripts to be run with the gid 'apache' 
and this is what MM's CGI wrapper has found at run time. Presumably 
this is the value of the Group directive in your Apache installations 
httpd.conf file.

Solution: try doing what the error message tells you; stop mailmanctl, 
run configure, run make install and start mailmanctl.




From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Thu May 13 20:08:36 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:08:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more on gate_news
References: <CD644968-A4E8-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
	<00c101c438fd$3e435d20$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<540131B2-A503-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
Message-ID: <02cc01c43915$50fd71e0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Con Wieland wrote:

> > Have you edited the mm_cfg.py to put in your nntp host, username and
> > password (if required)?
> >
>
> Yes I have. It doesn't change things.

Did you restart Mailman?  "mailmanctl restart"  It won't read any changes
to the mm_cfg.py until you do that.

Other than that, I don't know, gating news worked for me first time, right
out of the box, I guess I got lucky.

hth,
texas critter

-- 
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/





From mjb at cs.utah.edu  Thu May 13 22:49:08 2004
From: mjb at cs.utah.edu (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:49:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send to list error
In-Reply-To: <77DBD653-A3D8-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>	<200405112053.39681.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405112007320.19578@sun.iwu.edu>	<200405112139.12376.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<77DBD653-A3D8-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <40A3DF44.4090400@cs.utah.edu>


> DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = '10.20.1.163'
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = '10.20.1.163'

10.* is an unrouted network.  Any properly configured MTA will ignore anything
coming from an external host claiming to be 10.whatever.

mjb.





From jp at warpix.org  Fri May 14 11:10:23 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:10:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Status of qfiles
Message-ID: <20040514101023.Z85@warpix.org>

Is there any way to determine the status of queued files?

I'm think of something equivalent to 'sendmail -bp'...


-- 
John





From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri May 14 12:45:32 2004
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:45:32 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to arrange a list with 'affiliate' members
In-Reply-To: <20040511162011.16606.qmail@web61202.mail.yahoo.com> (Barnaby
	Scott's message of "Tue, 11 May 2004 09:20:11 -0700 (PDT)")
References: <20040511162011.16606.qmail@web61202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87oeorp9rn.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Barnaby" == Barnaby Scott <barnabydscott at yahoo.com> writes:

    Barnaby> However you seriously underestimate the technophobia of
    Barnaby> my members!

Perhaps.  I still think if they were given a chance to work with a
system that was crafted to work for them, instead of against them,
they would learn to use the technology quickly.

    Barnaby> Not surprising really, when you learn that we are all
    Barnaby> hand-makers of furniture - so by definition have turned
    Barnaby> our backs on much that is technical.

So?  Perhaps you don't know the etymology of the term "hacker".  It's
a self-deprecating analogy of one's programming to "making furniture
by hacking at lumber with an axe."  I don't think we hackers and you
furniture makers are so different.

Still, you face the problem that by and large the software your
members can get their hands on is going to be pretty rude.

Maybe you would be better off with a weblog or wiki-style website,
which gives more control in some ways, and less in others.  Certainly
the setup cost would be higher than a mailman list, though.

    Barnaby> My task is to make sure that any one message can pass
    Barnaby> through the gate to the other list only once so that no
    Barnaby> loop could ever be established (even in the event of
    Barnaby> X-BeenThere headers being lost).

Well, anything that can strip the X-BeenThere headers can make any
other tag disappear, too.  The only foolproof method is to pass one
message in each direction, then shut down forever.

However, one thing that is almost certain to appear in every message
is a Message-ID, and unless you face an actively hostile agency, it
probably will be preserved.  So you could keep a database of message
IDs that have been seen.  If a message should arrive that doesn't have
one, add one and record that.  This is nowhere near foolproof, but in
combination with the X-BeenThere strategy should do pretty well.

-- 
Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences     http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.



From mailman at pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de  Fri May 14 12:55:16 2004
From: mailman at pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (mailman)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:55:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to in umbrella lists
Message-ID: <40A4A594.1060406@pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de>


Hello,

is it possible to change "dynamicly" the "Reply-to"-Field to the mail address 
of the umbrella list when the mail is sent to the umbrella list and not 
directly to the sublist ?

That is what I mean:

here is the normal case when I send the mail directly to the sublist:

Subject: [sublist] testmail1
From: testuser at domain
Reply-To: sublist at domain
To: sublist at domain


here is what I get when using the umbrella list:

Subject: [sublist] [umbrellalist] testmail2
From: testuser at domain
Reply-To: sublist at domain
To: umbrellalist at domain


but this whould be much better:

Subject: [sublist] [umbrellalist] testmail3
From: testuser at domain
Reply-To: umbrellalist at domain
To: umbrellalist at domain


Thank you

Martin



From jp at warpix.org  Fri May 14 15:26:08 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:26:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Verbose logging
Message-ID: <20040514142608.J85@warpix.org>



How do I enable verbose logging within Mailman? And will it output to 
SYSLOG?

Does mailman\mail\mailman have any command line options? 

It gets confusing if I just mention mailman, but I'm talking about the 
local delivery agent used by sendmail in the alias file.


-- 
John






From me at remo.net  Wed May 12 18:50:17 2004
From: me at remo.net (Remo Campopiano)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:50:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need guidance from mailman users...
Message-ID: <E1BNwwA-0006m6-9J@mail.python.org>

I'm not sure if this is the right placed to ask. If not please send me to an
appropriate place to get help with mailman.
 
I have set up an mailman list on my netnation.com web hosting account, it
appears to be working but I get mail back saying it is not work when it is
working.
 
Despite the fact that everyone did get the message, here is the message I
got back from mailman:
 
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at gra-smtp-sun.choiceone.net.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
 
<agencies at list.fundcp.org>:
Sorry, I couldn't find any host named list.fundcp.org. (#5.1.2)
 
--- Below this line is a copy of the message.
 
Return-Path: <campaign at fundcp.org>
Received: (qmail 11335 invoked from network); 11 May 2004 18:57:50 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO william) (64.179.108.99)
  by gra-smtp-sun.choiceone.net with SMTP; 11 May 2004 18:57:50 -0000
From: "campaign" <campaign at fundcp.org>
To: <agencies at list.fundcp.org>
Cc: <me at remo.net>,
      <nondas at fundcp.org>
Subject: Fund for Community Progress Listserv up and running!
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:07:19 -0400
Message-ID: <PFEOLBJJKBMCABJCBMHOIEAECBAA.campaign at fundcp.org>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
      charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
Importance: Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
 
 
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From alyson at artbizcoach.com  Wed May 12 16:33:04 2004
From: alyson at artbizcoach.com (Alyson B. Stanfield)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:33:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need a Mailman consultant.
Message-ID: <NFBBJLAJILKOEAPHBBGLMEEPFBAA.alyson@artbizcoach.com>

I just installed Mailman on my cPanel and the messages are going to only a
very small handful of the 1850 subscribers on my opt-in list. This is my
bread-and-butter list that I need to work every day (newsletter is usually
sent out weekly).

My husband (a software techie) says the problem is with the server. The host
company says it's not. But the cPanel AND Mailman are new to them and they
don't support the latter.

I'm desperate! Do you have the name of anyone who can get this job done
quickly? If I don't get it working soon I will have to find a different
system.

Thank you so much for your consideration.

Kindly,

Alyson


Alyson B. Stanfield
STANFIELD ART ASSOCIATES
5968 El Diente St.
Golden, CO 80403
303.273.5904
alyson at artbizcoach.com

The business and career source for visual artists.
http://www.artbizcoach.com



From prieheck at iwu.edu  Wed May 12 20:42:43 2004
From: prieheck at iwu.edu (Pat Riehecky)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:42:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] autoupdate /etc/aliases?
In-Reply-To: <40A1212D.10236.B207C4@localhost>
References: <40A1212D.10236.B207C4@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121337580.8058@sun.iwu.edu>

I'm playing around a bit with mailman and was wondering how to get it to
update /etc/aliases automatically using postfix.

Here is the stuff from Defaults.py
MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = []  # not using virtual domains
POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap'

and I have symlinked /etc/aliases to mail/aliases, but running addlist as
either root or (after chown mailman /etc/mail/aliases) mailman it is not
updated.  What obvious thing have I missed?

pat
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
The lines which your eye falls on first here were written last.  Their
purpose is to make yet another attempt to force into the form of a letter
the detailed investigation which is sent to you herewith.  These lines
correspond, then, with the last lines and together they form an envelope,
thus indicating in an external way what interal proofs in many ways will
convince you of, that this is a letter you are reading.
~Kierkegaard




From prieheck at iwu.edu  Wed May 12 22:05:23 2004
From: prieheck at iwu.edu (Pat Riehecky)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:05:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fixing group mismatch error?
In-Reply-To: <200405112139.12376.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200405112053.39681.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405112007320.19578@sun.iwu.edu>
	<200405112139.12376.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121501200.15786@sun.iwu.edu>

I get the following error,

May 12 19:57:32 [Mailman mail-wrapper] Group mismatch error.  Mailman
expected the mail_wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman",
but_the system's mail server executed the mail script as_group "nobody".
Try tweaking the mail server to run the_script as group "mailman", or
re-run configure, _providing the command line option
`--with-mail-gid=nobody'.

where exactly is the 'configure' command, I checked inside of the mailman
bin directory but it was not there.  My guess is that it refers to the
./configure script to be run before installing.  Unfortuatly I installed
using a premade package and do not have the source on hand.  Any way to
have the program expect group nobody without doing that or a way to make
postfix use that group to run /only/ that script?

pat
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
The lines which your eye falls on first here were written last.  Their
purpose is to make yet another attempt to force into the form of a letter
the detailed investigation which is sent to you herewith.  These lines
correspond, then, with the last lines and together they form an envelope,
thus indicating in an external way what interal proofs in many ways will
convince you of, that this is a letter you are reading.
~Kierkegaard




From AndresSH at alamin.org  Thu May 13 00:31:57 2004
From: AndresSH at alamin.org (Andres Seco Hernandez)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 00:31:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suggest about default at admindb.py from DEFER to
	DISCARD
Message-ID: <20040512223157.GB23173@alamin.org>

Hi all

I have not found a link to send this wish as a bug in the bug tracking
system at sf.net. I am sorry. Perhaps this is not the correct way, but i
will try it.

As a lot of pending request to mailman lists are from automatic virus or
spammers, sometimes is necesary (because of the volume) to have a
default option at DISCARD of the pending messages. Any time i update
mailman i need to patch manually admindb.py at line 393 from

(1, 0, 0, 0))

to

(0, 0, 0, 1))

that is, i need to DISCARD pending messages to avoid great grow of it
(too much spam and too much virus). I can not read about 1000 messages
per week looking for valid messages from people not subscribed to the
list when almost all messages (really all the messages) are not valid
and i want to discard all of it.

It may be a good option to be added in the config page of a list (do you
want pending messages to be discarded by default?).

Thanks a lot for this good mail list manager.

-- 
Andres Seco Hernandez
	http://andressh.net
	mailto:AndresSH at alamin.org
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de documentos, como DOC y XLS, sino HTML, PDF, TXT, CSV o cualquier otro
que no obligue a utilizar un programa de un fabricante concreto.



From dr at google.com  Fri May 14 00:31:34 2004
From: dr at google.com (Douglas Rohde)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:31:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom list pipeline
Message-ID: <40A3F746.9090805@google.com>

I would like to customize the pipeline for a list so that it appends 
some special footers to posts (requires scripting to compute).   I'm 
using MailMan v2.1.3.  I'm not actually the admin of the Mailman server, 
so I'd like the necessary changes to be as unobtrustive and specific to 
the list in question as possible.

According to Mailman/Defaults.py, I can specify a pipeline attribute for 
a list.  I attempted this by creating a file containing a pipeline 
specification:

pipeline = [
    # These are the modules that do tasks common to all delivery paths.
    'SpamDetect',
    'Approve',
...
    'Acknowledge',
    'ToOutgoing',
    ]

And then tried config-list -i pipeline-file.py mylist
It reports `attribute "pipeline" ignored' because pipeline is not 
already an attribute of the list.

What is the proper way to set the pipeline attribute (hopefully that 
involves the least hacking of the standard Mailman scripts and commands).

Thanks,
Doug Rohde







From UYadav at TULLIB.COM  Fri May 14 02:08:46 2004
From: UYadav at TULLIB.COM (UYadav at TULLIB.COM)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:08:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Create Problem
Message-ID: <ED6E4BEDD7BCCA4680D8EB2065330FC404B828B7@nyexchange.na.ad.tullib.com>

Hi!

I am trying to create a list using web interface but it keeps complaining
like this :

Error: Illegal list name: test at mail
What could be wrong here.

Thanks,
Uggar



From msattler at adelphia.net  Fri May 14 10:41:42 2004
From: msattler at adelphia.net (Marcus Sattler)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 03:41:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm-handler question
Message-ID: <023401c4398f$483a1890$64fea8c0@ltsattler>

Hey guys,

Has anyone actually recently gotten mm-handler to run?  

I followed the instructions to a T, but sendmail still refuses to send any mail to mm-handler, it simply errors out.

I wasn't sure if you all had a better place to send me for more documentation?

Thanks,
Marcus

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri May 14 21:25:42 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 20:25:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm-handler question
In-Reply-To: <023401c4398f$483a1890$64fea8c0@ltsattler>
References: <023401c4398f$483a1890$64fea8c0@ltsattler>
Message-ID: <7DA29D27-A5DC-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 14 May 2004, at 09:41, Marcus Sattler wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> Has anyone actually recently gotten mm-handler to run?

Yes it can be made to work. I initially used the Perl script  
contribution by David Champion for several months, initially with MM  
2.0.13 and later MM 2.1, but had to modify the original Perl script  
when I tripped over a defect in it which meant some incoming mail was  
lost under a particular set of error conditions. I then re-implemented  
the sendmail mailer idea in Python with a closer integration between  
the handler and Mailman; mailer logs to the Mailman logs, for instance.  
This Python version has been in daily use on the Mailman systems I  
manage for 2 or 3 years now.

My Python version is available through either of the links below and  
has been maintained through the version MM updates. The main reason I  
mention it is that the README.SENDMAIL.mailer documentation file in the  
patch may help you as it contains some notes on the sendmail side of  
the installation as I experienced it. That said, having gotten it to  
work it has been trouble free, has saved a bunch of hassle in  
maintaining aliases, but I can barely remember the detail of what I had  
to do at the start.

http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/644810/index.html

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? 
func=detail&aid=644810&group_id=103&atid=300103

Sorry I cannot be of more help but after years of not understanding  
sendmail, I still do not understand it well; in fact the only guy I  
know who is a sendmail expert is arguably certifiable.

>
> I followed the instructions to a T, but sendmail still refuses to send  
> any mail to mm-handler, it simply errors out.
>
> I wasn't sure if you all had a better place to send me for more  
> documentation?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From jp at warpix.org  Sat May 15 00:30:05 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 23:30:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman command line options
Message-ID: <20040514233004.Q85@warpix.org>



Does mailman have any command line options like a debug flag or somesuch?


-- 
John






From jp at warpix.org  Sat May 15 00:30:52 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 23:30:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] syslog
Message-ID: <20040514233051.R85@warpix.org>


Is there any way to get mailman to output to syslog?


-- 
John






From UYadav at TULLIB.COM  Sat May 15 01:53:40 2004
From: UYadav at TULLIB.COM (UYadav at TULLIB.COM)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:53:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list create error using Web Interface
Message-ID: <ED6E4BEDD7BCCA4680D8EB2065330FC404B828CA@nyexchange.na.ad.tullib.com>

I am using Mailman-2.1.3 on RedHat 8.x
While creating the list using Web Interface I get this error:

Error: Illegal list name: test at mail

What do you think could be wrong here ?

Thanks,
Uggar



From paul at thcwd.com  Sat May 15 04:48:25 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:48:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman list create error using Web Interface
In-Reply-To: <E1BOmXz-0008J1-1J@mail.python.org>
References: <E1BOmXz-0008J1-1J@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040514214727.01c86500@127.0.0.1>

On 06:56 PM 5/14/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>I am using Mailman-2.1.3 on RedHat 8.x
>While creating the list using Web Interface I get this error:
>
>Error: Illegal list name: test at mail
>
>What do you think could be wrong here ?

      You have tried to create a list with an illegal character - 
specifically the "@"

<>< Paul



From UYadav at TULLIB.COM  Sat May 15 05:30:19 2004
From: UYadav at TULLIB.COM (UYadav at TULLIB.COM)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 23:30:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Mailman list create error using Web Interface
Message-ID: <ED6E4BEDD7BCCA4680D8EB2065330FC404B828CB@nyexchange.na.ad.tullib.com>

Paul:
 
Thanks very much for the response. The problem was DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST was
left in as in Defaults.py, and was not defined properly in mm_cfg.py. After
I did that, it was fine. BTW I was trying to create the list by the name
test, not test at mail <mailto:test at mail> .
 
Uggar

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:48 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Cc: Yadav, Uggar
Subject: Re: Mailman list create error using Web Interface


On 06:56 PM 5/14/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:


I am using Mailman-2.1.3 on RedHat 8.x
While creating the list using Web Interface I get this error:

Error: Illegal list name: test at mail

What do you think could be wrong here ? 


     You have tried to create a list with an illegal character -
specifically the "@"

<>< Paul





From rkpn at british-genealogy.com  Sat May 15 05:45:31 2004
From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 04:45:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suspicious header
Message-ID: <GYGQVjabJZpAFAzM@btconnect.com>

An example of "This message has a suspicious header"
... held for approval.

Can anyone see *why* it is "suspicious" ?
apart from the fact that it is from an AOL user ;-)

(my XXXX address munging)

Reason: Message has a suspicious header
===================================================
Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36])
        by british-genealogy.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id
i4F0gkks022660
        for <eng-middlesex at british-genealogy.com>; Sat, 15 May 2004
01:42:46 +0100
Received: from PHIL0SXXXX at aol.com
        by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r1.3.) id u.dd.a92c425
(4238)
         for <eng-middlesex at british-genealogy.com>; Fri, 14 May 2004
20:31:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: PHIL0SXXXX at aol.com
Message-ID: <dd.a92c425.2dd6bed3 at aol.com>
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 20:31:15 EDT
Subject: 1851 census index look-up  St. Brides
To: eng-middlesex at british-genealogy.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="-----------------------------1084581075"
X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5027
-- 
Rod Neep
Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org
British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sat May 15 06:59:17 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 00:59:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suspicious header
In-Reply-To: <GYGQVjabJZpAFAzM@btconnect.com>
References: <GYGQVjabJZpAFAzM@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <20040515045917.GB13518@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Rod Neep wrote:
> An example of "This message has a suspicious header"
> ... held for approval.
>
> Can anyone see *why* it is "suspicious" ?
> apart from the fact that it is from an AOL user ;-)

What's the value of bounce_matching_headers for the list?  A match on
that is what causes this message, AFAICT.

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From jonas at freesources.org  Sat May 15 15:27:47 2004
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 15:27:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] run external script at list creation.
Message-ID: <20040515132747.GE1362@resivo.mejo.net>

hello,

Is there a way to run external scripts at public/private list-creation?
I use an external archiver and it requires all lists archived to be
listed in it's config, so i need to add new lists automaticly.
Does mailman always use the tool 'newlist'? if yes, i could use a
wrapper, but what about lists created in the webinterface etc?

bye
 jonas



From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Sat May 15 21:29:42 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:29:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suggest about default at admindb.py from DEFER
	to	DISCARD
In-Reply-To: <20040512223157.GB23173@alamin.org>
Message-ID: <40A60D36.17906.5943E29@localhost>

Why don't you set the value in the admin console in the first place?  
Under Sender filters, near the bottom:

Action to take for postings from non-members for which no 
explicit action is defined. 
Set it to discard.
Or use this patch already made to discard all:
[ mailman-Patches-810675 ] Add 'Discard all messages marked
	"Defer"'



Date sent:      	Thu, 13 May 2004 00:31:57 +0200
From:           	Andres Seco Hernandez <AndresSH at alamin.org>
To:             	mailman-users at python.org
Copies to:      	lista at guadawireless.net, lilo at gulalcarria.org
Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] suggest about default at admindb.py from DEFER to
	DISCARD

> Hi all
> 
> I have not found a link to send this wish as a bug in the bug tracking
> system at sf.net. I am sorry. Perhaps this is not the correct way, but i
> will try it.
> 
> As a lot of pending request to mailman lists are from automatic virus or
> spammers, sometimes is necesary (because of the volume) to have a
> default option at DISCARD of the pending messages. Any time i update
> mailman i need to patch manually admindb.py at line 393 from
> 
> (1, 0, 0, 0))
> 
> to
> 
> (0, 0, 0, 1))
> 
> that is, i need to DISCARD pending messages to avoid great grow of it
> (too much spam and too much virus). I can not read about 1000 messages
> per week looking for valid messages from people not subscribed to the
> list when almost all messages (really all the messages) are not valid
> and i want to discard all of it.
> 
> It may be a good option to be added in the config page of a list (do you
> want pending messages to be discarded by default?).
> 
> Thanks a lot for this good mail list manager.
> 
> -- 
> Andres Seco Hernandez
> 	http://andressh.net
> 	mailto:AndresSH at alamin.org
>         jabber:sslowly at jabber.guadawireless.org
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> http://guadawireless.net  http://www.debian.org       http://www.alamin.org
> http://www.redlibre.net   http://www.gulalcarria.org    http://andressh.net
>                           http://objetivosubjetivo.com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Por favor, NO utilice formatos de archivo propietarios para el intercambio
> de documentos, como DOC y XLS, sino HTML, PDF, TXT, CSV o cualquier otro
> que no obligue a utilizar un programa de un fabricante concreto.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.



From barry at python.org  Sun May 16 01:22:53 2004
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 19:22:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.5
Message-ID: <1084663372.1350.356.camel@anthem.wooz.org>

Today I am releasing Mailman 2.1.5, a bug fix release that also contains
new support for the Turkish language, and a few minor new features. 
Mailman 2.1.5 is a significant upgrade which should improve disk i/o
performance, administrative overhead for discarding held spams, and the
behavior of bouncing member disables.  This version also contains a fix
for an exploit that could allow 3rd parties to retrieve member
passwords.  It is thus highly recommended that all existing sites
upgrade to the latest version.

The full source tarball, as well as a patch against Mailman 2.1.4 have
been made available.  See

	http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

for links to downloads.

NOTE: You will want to read the UPGRADING file for important information
regarding upgrading from earlier version to Mailman 2.1.5.  A number of
internal file formats have changed so you must shut down web and mail
access to Mailman before you upgrade.  You will also want to re-run
configure (i.e. config.status) before you run "make install".

See also:

	http://www.list.org
	http://mailman.sf.net
	http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman

Finally, a personal note.  I have left Zope Corporation to join Secure
Software, a company started by John Viega -- Mailman's original author. 
Although I won't be working on Mailman in any official capacity, it is
exciting to be working with him and the rest of the folks there.  I
leave Zope Corp on a positive note and wish nothing but success for them
too.

You can find Secure Software on the web at
http://www.securesoftware.com.  Please continue to use my
barry at python.org email address for all Mailman correspondences.  I don't
expect much to change for the Mailman project at all.

Enjoy,
-Barry

2.1.5 (15-May-2004)

    - The admindb page has a checkbox that allows you to discard all held
      messages that are marked Defer.  On heavy lists with lots of spam holds,
      this makes clearing them much faster.

    - The qrunner system has changed to use only one file per message.
      However the configuration variable METADATA_FORMAT has been removed, and
      support for SAVE_MSGS_AS_PICKLES has been changed.  The latter no longer
      writes messages as plain text.  Instead, they are stored as pickles of
      plain strings, using the text pickle format.  This still makes them
      non-binary files readable and editable by humans.

      bin/dumpdb also works differently.  It will print out the entire pickle
      file (with more verbosity) and if used with 'python -i', it binds msg to
      a list of all objects found in the pickle file.

      Removed from Defaults.py: PENDINGDB_LOCK_TIMEOUT,
      PENDINGDB_LOCK_ATTEMPTS, METAFMT_MARSHAL, METAFMT_BSDDB_NATIVE,
      METAFMT_ASCII, METADATA_FORMAT

    - The bounce processor has been redesigned so that now when an address's
      bounce score reaches the threshold, that address will be sent a probe
      message.  Only if the probe bounces will the address be disabled.  The
      score is reset to zero when the probe is sent.  Also, bounce events are
      now kept in an event file instead of in memory.  This should help
      contain the bloat of the BounceRunner.

      New supporting variables in Defaults.py: VERP_PROBE_FORMAT,
      VERP_PROBE_REGEXP

      REGISTER_BOUNCES_EVERY is promoted to a Defaults.py variable.

    - The pending database has been changed from a global pickle file, to a
      unique pickle file per mailing list.

    - The 'request' database file has changed from a marshal, to the more
      secure pickle format.

    - Disallow multiple password retrievals.

    - The email package is updated to version 2.5.5.

    - New language: Turkish.

    - Bugs and patches: 869644, 869647 (NotAMemberError for old cookie data),
      878087 (bug in Slovenian catalog), 899263 (ignore duplicate pending
      ids), 810675 (discard all defers button)




From rkpn at british-genealogy.com  Sun May 16 07:08:10 2004
From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 06:08:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suspicious header
In-Reply-To: <20040515045917.GB13518@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <GYGQVjabJZpAFAzM@btconnect.com>
	<20040515045917.GB13518@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <T$elche6cvpAFAzy@btconnect.com>

In message <20040515045917.GB13518 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>, Todd
<Freedom_Lover at pobox.com> writes
>Rod Neep wrote:
>> An example of "This message has a suspicious header"
>> ... held for approval.
>>
>> Can anyone see *why* it is "suspicious" ?
>> apart from the fact that it is from an AOL user ;-)
>
>What's the value of bounce_matching_headers for the list?  A match on
>that is what causes this message, AFAICT.

AH... !
Thanks for the clue... the administrator of that list (goodness knows
why!) had added the following to the bottom of the standard stuff there:

======================================
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
        boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02FE_01C2EAD5.37C6BC20"
======================================

I have just deleted it... and we'll see if that makes a difference.

Thanks
Rod
-- 
Rod Neep
Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org
British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com



From jwt at onjapan.net  Sun May 16 08:23:37 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 15:23:37 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] autoupdate /etc/aliases?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121337580.8058@sun.iwu.edu>
References: <40A1212D.10236.B207C4@localhost>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121337580.8058@sun.iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <909BB4C5-A701-11D8-9B29-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On May 13, 2004, at 03:42, Pat Riehecky wrote:

> I'm playing around a bit with mailman and was wondering how to get it 
> to
> update /etc/aliases automatically using postfix.
[...]
> and I have symlinked /etc/aliases to mail/aliases, but running addlist 
> as
> either root or (after chown mailman /etc/mail/aliases) mailman it is 
> not
> updated.  What obvious thing have I missed?

Rather than trying to add the aliases to your main alias file, can't 
you use the additional /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases Postfix 
alias_map suggested by README.POSTFIX file?



-- 
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Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From jwt at onjapan.net  Sun May 16 09:40:46 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 16:40:46 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom list pipeline
In-Reply-To: <40A3F746.9090805@google.com>
References: <40A3F746.9090805@google.com>
Message-ID: <581F41FC-A70C-11D8-9B29-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On May 14, 2004, at 07:31, Douglas Rohde wrote:

> What is the proper way to set the pipeline attribute (hopefully that 
> involves the least hacking of the standard Mailman scripts and 
> commands).

You can use withlist to add a custom pipeline attribute to a list.

$ bin/withlist -l -i mylist
m.pipeline = [...]
m.Save()
{ctrl-D}

You can do 'from Mailman import mm_cfg', make a copy of the 
mm_cfg.GLOBAL_PIPELINE list, and then manipulate that list with 
standard Python to save typing.

Be sure to document your custom pipeline, or the magic of a custom 
pipeline could be quite surprising to the next person to administer the 
list and/or server.  :-)

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From maillists at conactive.com  Sun May 16 12:31:28 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 12:31:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fixing group mismatch error?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121501200.15786@sun.iwu.edu>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200405112053.39681.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405112007320.19578@sun.iwu.edu>
	<200405112139.12376.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121501200.15786@sun.iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <VA.000018ba.008a51f0@virtual-access.org>

Pat Riehecky wrote on Wed, 12 May 2004 15:05:23 -0500 (CDT):

> Any way to
> have the program expect group nobody without doing that or a way to make
> postfix use that group to run /only/ that script?
>

This depends on your Linux distribution, f.i. Suse will have those 
variables in /etc/sysconfig/mailman


Kai

-- 

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From roli.ko at gmx.at  Sun May 16 12:40:33 2004
From: roli.ko at gmx.at (roli.ko at gmx.at)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 12:40:33 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <17157.1084704033@www59.gmx.net>

Hello,

My question is, how mailman work?s? When i send a mail to the list - how
many email?s are sent form the list to the receipt?s?
For example: 100 list members -> is there sent one email to all members or
an email to every member?

i hope everybody understand my question because my english is not very good.

cu Roland

-- 
"Sie haben neue Mails!" - Die GMX Toolbar informiert Sie beim Surfen!
Jetzt aktivieren unter http://www.gmx.net/info




From Barbaram at gol.com  Sun May 16 14:05:30 2004
From: Barbaram at gol.com (Barbara Manning)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 21:05:30 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Outlook Express News Reader to view and post
	messages
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040516210322.022254c0@popmail.gol.com>

I have checked out the FAQs and searched and browsed the archives, and I 
still need some help setting up Outlook Express so that I can read the 
posts from a newsgroup.
Eudora does not handle threaded messages very well.

I belive I need the NNTP (news server) for this list.  I've tried all the 
logical ones and looked in all the logical places without success.  Can 
anyone give me a hand?


From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun May 16 14:20:10 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 13:20:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <17157.1084704033@www59.gmx.net>
References: <17157.1084704033@www59.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <5FE6BAF8-A733-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 16 May 2004, at 11:40, roli.ko at gmx.at wrote:

> Hello,
>
> My question is, how mailman work?s? When i send a mail to the list - 
> how
> many email?s are sent form the list to the receipt?s?
> For example: 100 list members -> is there sent one email to all 
> members or
> an email to every member?
>

Referring to Mailman 2.1.x.

If the list is set send personalized mail then a separate message is 
sent out (passed to the outgoing MTA) for each subscriber, for each 
posting to the list.

If list is not set to send personalized mail then the same message goes 
to each subscriber (assuming you are using the default SMTPDirect mail 
transport) but the number of SMTP transactions to pass a given message 
to the outgoing MTA will depend on the number of members and the value 
of Mailman's SMTP_MAX_RCPTS configuration variable (normal install 
default is 500): check in Defaults.py for more info, assign a different 
value to it in mm_cfg.py if you need to.

> i hope everybody understand my question because my english is not very 
> good.
>

Better than my German

> cu Roland
>
> -- 
> "Sie haben neue Mails!" - Die GMX Toolbar informiert Sie beim Surfen!
> Jetzt aktivieren unter http://www.gmx.net/info




From marina at mailbox.co.uk  Sun May 16 14:39:16 2004
From: marina at mailbox.co.uk (Marina)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 13:39:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recipient Privacy Option
Message-ID: <014501c43b42$ea346880$0300000a@Default>

Hi, I'm new here, although I recognise one or two of the names (hello to you
and nice to see some familiar names!).

I've been threatening to start and run a Mailman list for some time now, and
have finally done it hence my having some newbie question. My list is run
though CPanel, I have no shell access and am not on my own server.

Under Privacy Options -> Recipient Filters, what does "Alias names (regexps)
which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names for this list" mean? Or
rather what are "aliases" in this context? If someone would please clarify
this in very simple terms, I'd be most grateful.

TIA

Marina




From marina at mailbox.co.uk  Sun May 16 15:06:54 2004
From: marina at mailbox.co.uk (Marina)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 14:06:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responder to "Request"
Message-ID: <01dc01c43b46$ba4bdd20$0300000a@Default>

More newbie questions :-) I forgot to say earlier that I have v2.1.3.

I'm not sure I fully understand how the auto-responder system works. For
instance, "Should Mailman send an auto-response to emails sent to
the -request address? If you choose yes, decide whether you want Mailman to
discard the original email, or forward it on to the system as a normal mail
command."

If I choose "No" (with or without my own text) and someone sends a message
to listname-request, with "help" in the subject line, they still get an
auto-response with a load of email commands that will be totally meaningless
and confusing to the majority of them.

If I choose "Yes, w/forward" and I enter my own text, it sends both the
canned response and my text as separate emails.

If I choose "Yes, w/discard" and I enter my own text, it sends nothing.

How do I get it to send my text without the canned response?

TIA

Marina




From ayers_e at bellsouth.net  Sun May 16 12:21:11 2004
From: ayers_e at bellsouth.net (Eric Z. Ayers)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 06:21:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list.org site
Message-ID: <40A74097.9010706@bellsouth.net>

Hello,

First of all, thanks to those responsible for providing mailman.

I was looking at the website trying to setup mailman on a RH 9 server. 
I've noticed that the Site Administrator's guide is lacking a lot of 
information needed to setup the service, especially with regard to 
postfix.  I found that info in the README file, which seems to cover 
that missing info.  Do you think it would be benificial to post the 
README on the website?  Either I missed it, or RedHat didn't see fit to 
include it in their binary distribution.




From marypritchard at tiscali.co.uk  Sat May 15 14:58:05 2004
From: marypritchard at tiscali.co.uk (Mary Pritchard)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:58:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a list - by the list administrator/creator
Message-ID: <000001c43a7c$46dfe310$57812e50@maryy8ydpl43hg>

I need to delete a list that I have created (list administrator and
creation rights only), is this possible?
 
Kindest regards
 
Mary Pritchard


From maillists at conactive.com  Sun May 16 18:30:19 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:30:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Outlook Express News Reader to view and
	post messages
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040516210322.022254c0@popmail.gol.com>
References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040516210322.022254c0@popmail.gol.com>
Message-ID: <VA.000018bd.01d2e0c4@virtual-access.org>

Barbara Manning wrote on Sun, 16 May 2004 21:05:30 +0900:

> I belive I need the NNTP (news server) for this list.
>

Barbara, this is a mailing list, not a newsgroup. Some mailing lists are 
piped to/from a few newsservers, f.i. gmane.org. I think this isn't.
Are you sure, that you are interested in this particular list at all?


Kai

-- 

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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 17 01:07:20 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 01:07:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need guidance from mailman users...
In-Reply-To: <E1BNwwA-0006m6-9J@mail.python.org>
References: <E1BNwwA-0006m6-9J@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <p06002000bccda407f61d@[10.0.1.2]>

At 12:50 PM -0400 2004/05/12, Remo Campopiano wrote:

>  I'm not sure if this is the right placed to ask. If not please send me to an
>  appropriate place to get help with mailman.

	If it's a problem with Mailman, assuming you've read the FAQ, 
etc... this is the right place to start asking for additional help.

>  I have set up an mailman list on my netnation.com web hosting account, it
>  appears to be working but I get mail back saying it is not work when it is
>  working.
>
>  Despite the fact that everyone did get the message, here is the message I
>  got back from mailman:
>
>  Hi. This is the qmail-send program at gra-smtp-sun.choiceone.net.
>  I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
>  This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
>  <agencies at list.fundcp.org>:
>  Sorry, I couldn't find any host named list.fundcp.org. (#5.1.2)

	Well, netnation.com definitely owns your DNS:

% dig fundcp.org. ns
; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> fundcp.org. ns
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 3849
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;fundcp.org.                    IN      NS

;; ANSWER SECTION:
fundcp.org.             14340   IN      NS      w.dns.netnation.com.
fundcp.org.             14340   IN      NS      x.dns.netnation.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
w.dns.netnation.com.    172721  IN      A       204.174.223.169
x.dns.netnation.com.    172721  IN      A       204.174.223.225

;; Query time: 27 msec
;; SERVER: 10.0.1.240#53(10.0.1.240)
;; WHEN: Mon May 17 01:04:29 2004
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 109


	And they're telling us that this host does not exist within this domain:

% dig @x.dns.netnation.com. list.fundcp.org. any
; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> @x.dns.netnation.com. list.fundcp.org. any
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 56450
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;list.fundcp.org.               IN      ANY

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
fundcp.org.             14400   IN      SOA     w.dns.netnation.com. 
hostmaster.siteprotect.com. 2004050512 28800 7200 604800 300

;; Query time: 210 msec
;; SERVER: 204.174.223.225#53(x.dns.netnation.com.)
;; WHEN: Mon May 17 01:04:04 2004
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 111

% dig @w.dns.netnation.com. list.fundcp.org. any

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> @w.dns.netnation.com. list.fundcp.org. any
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 21383
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;list.fundcp.org.               IN      ANY

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
fundcp.org.             14400   IN      SOA     w.dns.netnation.com. 
hostmaster.siteprotect.com. 2004050512 28800 7200 604800 300

;; Query time: 216 msec
;; SERVER: 204.174.223.169#53(w.dns.netnation.com.)
;; WHEN: Mon May 17 01:04:12 2004
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 111


	You need to talk to the folks at netnation.com to see if they can 
add that host for you.

-- 
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 17 01:11:15 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 01:11:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] autoupdate /etc/aliases?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121337580.8058@sun.iwu.edu>
References: <40A1212D.10236.B207C4@localhost>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121337580.8058@sun.iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002001bccda4bf2114@[10.0.1.2]>

At 1:42 PM -0500 2004/05/12, Pat Riehecky wrote:

>  I'm playing around a bit with mailman and was wondering how to get it to
>  update /etc/aliases automatically using postfix.

	The directions provided in the README.POSTFIX file worked just fine for us.

>  Here is the stuff from Defaults.py
>  MTA = 'Postfix'
>  POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = []  # not using virtual domains
>  POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias
>  POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap'
>
>  and I have symlinked /etc/aliases to mail/aliases, but running addlist as
>  either root or (after chown mailman /etc/mail/aliases) mailman it is not
>  updated.  What obvious thing have I missed?

	You didn't read the instructions completely & correctly.

	The scripts are looking for the mailman aliases file in 
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases, which should be added to the 
"alias_maps=" parameter in your postfix/main.cf, but should *NOT* be 
in the "alias_database=" parameter -- you want Mailman to 
automatically rebuild and regenerate this Mailman-specific aliases 
file, not postfix.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 17 01:13:17 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 01:13:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fixing group mismatch error?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121501200.15786@sun.iwu.edu>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200405112053.39681.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405112007320.19578@sun.iwu.edu>
	<200405112139.12376.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121501200.15786@sun.iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002002bccda5a9581a@[10.0.1.2]>

At 3:05 PM -0500 2004/05/12, Pat Riehecky wrote:

>                                                   Unfortuatly I installed
>  using a premade package and do not have the source on hand.

	Ouch.  Sounds like they didn't build it correctly.

>                                                               Any way to
>  have the program expect group nobody without doing that or a way to make
>  postfix use that group to run /only/ that script?

	Perhaps, but I can't tell you how to do that off the top of my 
head.  Nevertheless, that sort of thing is not likely to work that 
well.  You really should get a properly built set of Mailman & 
postfix packages.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 17 01:17:03 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 01:17:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site list is missing: mailman
In-Reply-To: <20040513173551.S85@warpix.org>
References: <20040513173551.S85@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <p06002003bccda6a893f7@[10.0.1.2]>

At 5:35 PM +0100 2004/05/13, John Poltorak wrote:

>  Can anyone explain precisely what is missing? Is it an alias, a userid, an
>  executable a directory or some entry in a table?

	See the Mailman FAQ entry 5.5 ""Site list is missing: mailman" 
error after upgrade " at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.005.htp>.

	Next time you have a problem, it would be a good idea to search 
the FAQ to see if the question is answered there.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 17 01:19:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 01:19:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more on gate_news
In-Reply-To: <02cc01c43915$50fd71e0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: <CD644968-A4E8-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
	<00c101c438fd$3e435d20$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<540131B2-A503-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
	<02cc01c43915$50fd71e0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <p06002004bccda712acba@[10.0.1.2]>

At 1:08 PM -0500 2004/05/13, texas critter wrote:

>  Other than that, I don't know, gating news worked for me first time, right
>  out of the box, I guess I got lucky.

	Not, I don't think it's luck.  Once I had the host & newsgroup 
settings correct, it worked just fine for me under a previous 
installation with Mailman 2.1.2 on Solaris 9, and now under Mailman 
2.1.4 under FreeBSD 5.x.

	This is not luck -- this is something that Mailman is designed to 
do quite well.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 17 01:20:06 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 01:20:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Create Problem
In-Reply-To: <ED6E4BEDD7BCCA4680D8EB2065330FC404B828B7@nyexchange.na.ad.tullib.
	com>
References: <ED6E4BEDD7BCCA4680D8EB2065330FC404B828B7@nyexchange.na.ad.tullib.
	com>
Message-ID: <p06002005bccda788c86b@[10.0.1.2]>

At 8:08 PM -0400 2004/05/13, UYadav at TULLIB.COM wrote:

>  I am trying to create a list using web interface but it keeps complaining
>  like this :
>
>  Error: Illegal list name: test at mail
>  What could be wrong here.

	Mailing lists cannot have "@" symbols in their name.  Try just 
"test" instead.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 17 01:21:51 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 01:21:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm-handler question
In-Reply-To: <023401c4398f$483a1890$64fea8c0@ltsattler>
References: <023401c4398f$483a1890$64fea8c0@ltsattler>
Message-ID: <p06002006bccda7a9d036@[10.0.1.2]>

At 3:41 AM -0500 2004/05/14, Marcus Sattler wrote:

>  I wasn't sure if you all had a better place to send me for more
>  documentation?

	I haven't had your specific problem, but have you seen the 
Mailman documentation at <http://www.list.org/docs.html>, or the 
Mailman FAQ Wizard at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 17 01:55:21 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 01:55:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm-handler question
In-Reply-To: <7DA29D27-A5DC-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <023401c4398f$483a1890$64fea8c0@ltsattler>
	<7DA29D27-A5DC-11D8-A77E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06002007bccda888046f@[10.0.1.2]>

At 8:25 PM +0100 2004/05/14, Richard Barrett wrote:

>  Sorry I cannot be of more help but after years of not understanding
>  sendmail, I still do not understand it well; in fact the only guy I
>  know who is a sendmail expert is arguably certifiable.

	It does take some doing to warp your mind around sendmail.  But 
once I latched onto the fact that rewrite rules are a data-driven 
self-recursive production rules-based system, similar in many ways to 
the AI programming language known as Prolog (which I had to deal with 
as a senior in College), for me it was pretty much downhill from 
there.

	The documentation on sendmail has gotten much, much better in the 
more than ten years since.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 17 02:00:35 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 02:00:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list.org site
In-Reply-To: <40A74097.9010706@bellsouth.net>
References: <40A74097.9010706@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <p06002008bccdb0f9fd23@[10.0.1.2]>

At 6:21 AM -0400 2004/05/16, Eric Z. Ayers wrote:

>  Do you think it would be benificial to post the README on the website?
>  Either I missed it, or RedHat didn't see fit to include it in their
>  binary distribution.

	You can see the current versions of all these files at 
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From barbaram at gol.com  Mon May 17 04:27:59 2004
From: barbaram at gol.com (Barbara Manning)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:27:59 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Outlook Express News Reader to view andpost
	messages
In-Reply-To: <VA.000018bd.01d2e0c4@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <E1BPXrD-0003Ep-EQ@smtp02.fields.gol.com>


Yes, I'm sure I'm interested.  The Tokyo PC Users Group uses Mailman for it's
newsgroups and over the years, those members who knew Python and Mailman have
left the group (and Japan).  We need someone who understands how to work the
software, and I've volunteered.   I simply find threaded messages easier to
read using the OE news reader. It also keeps my mailbox a bit cleaner. The TPC
(www.tokyopc.org) newsgroups are set up to read with a browser, a news reader
or you can subscribe and get all that through email.
Cheers,
Barbara



From jnagyjr at joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org  Mon May 17 04:47:14 2004
From: jnagyjr at joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org (Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 21:47:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Outlook Express News Reader to view andpost
	messages
In-Reply-To: <E1BPXrD-0003Ep-EQ@smtp02.fields.gol.com>
References: <VA.000018bd.01d2e0c4@virtual-access.org>
	<E1BPXrD-0003Ep-EQ@smtp02.fields.gol.com>
Message-ID: <20040517024713.GG18943@joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org>

On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 11:27:59AM +0900, Barbara Manning wrote the following:
> 
> Yes, I'm sure I'm interested.  The Tokyo PC Users Group uses Mailman for it's
> newsgroups and over the years, those members who knew Python and Mailman have
> left the group (and Japan).  We need someone who understands how to work the
> software, and I've volunteered.   I simply find threaded messages easier to
> read using the OE news reader. It also keeps my mailbox a bit cleaner. The TPC
> (www.tokyopc.org) newsgroups are set up to read with a browser, a news reader
> or you can subscribe and get all that through email.
> Cheers,
> Barbara

I tried emailing you offlist but was rejected so I'm posting it here:

I strongly suggest you and your friends use a better email client such as
Mozilla Thunderbird. It threads emails and newsgroups flawlessly as long as
another poster doesn't break the thread.

-- 
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From marina at mailbox.co.uk  Sun May 16 18:00:28 2004
From: marina at mailbox.co.uk (Marina)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 17:00:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove Attachments - Content Type
Message-ID: <035b01c43b5e$f4621610$0300000a@Default>

Last of the newbie questions for now (I think!).

My list is an attachment list. Under Content Filtering ->
"Remove message attachments that have a matching content type",
would I be right in thinking that the mime types to enter in order to
discard zip files as attachments would be:

application/x-compressed
application/x-zip-compressed
application/zip
multipart/x-zip

and that these mime types wouldn't otherwise interfere with the receiving of
other attachments?

TIA

Marina




From jwt at onjapan.net  Mon May 17 12:00:30 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 19:00:30 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove Attachments - Content Type
Message-ID: <07E2301D-A7E9-11D8-91FE-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

> would I be right in thinking that the mime types to enter in order to
> discard zip files as attachments would be:
>
> application/x-compressed
> application/x-zip-compressed
> application/zip
> multipart/x-zip

Many (most?) zip archives seem to be attached simply as 
application/octet-stream.  Depending upon the type of attachments you 
want to allow (and your user base's mail clients :-) you *may* be able 
to block it without collateral damage.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From jwt at onjapan.net  Mon May 17 12:50:26 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 19:50:26 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responder to "Request"
In-Reply-To: <01dc01c43b46$ba4bdd20$0300000a@Default>
References: <01dc01c43b46$ba4bdd20$0300000a@Default>
Message-ID: <01685E29-A7F0-11D8-91FE-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>


On May 16, 2004, at 22:06, Marina wrote:

> If I choose "Yes, w/discard" and I enter my own text, it sends nothing.
>
> How do I get it to send my text without the canned response?

It should be doing it when you set it to Yes, w/discard.

I've just tried on a system with 2.1.3 and it behaved as expected.  Are
you sure you are not being confused in your testing by the rate
limiting on auto-responses to a given email address?  (See the
autoresponse_graceperiod value.  You will want to set it to zero
during testing, but it is not a good idea to run the list that way.)


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From Barbaram at gol.com  Mon May 17 13:07:26 2004
From: Barbaram at gol.com (Barbara Manning)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:07:26 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Outlook Express News Reader to view
	andpost messages
In-Reply-To: <20040517024713.GG18943@joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org>
References: <VA.000018bd.01d2e0c4@virtual-access.org>
	<E1BPXrD-0003Ep-EQ@smtp02.fields.gol.com>
	<20040517024713.GG18943@joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040517195842.02322410@popmail.gol.com>

I'm sorry.  I realize that I've made you all think that the TPC uses Eudora 
for email.  The groups doesn't.  I do.  I'm getting these message via my 
email client -- Eudora.  Most of our lists are open to the public.  People 
can subscribe to the list and get messages via whatever email client they 
are using.  All links to subscriptions point back to Mailman.  On the TPC 
site, the newsgroups are set up so you can read the newsgroups via a news 
reader or via the web or subscribe.

If my only choice for this group is to read via my email client, I can do 
that, it's just messy looking and I end up downloading about 75 messages a 
day.   I'll probably unsubscribe with this email address and set up a 
separate address just for this group.  That will help somewhat.

The point remains that I have to learn how to manage the TPC mailing lists, 
which is why I'm here.

Thanks
Barbara


From info at overnight.co.za  Mon May 17 13:56:07 2004
From: info at overnight.co.za (Website Administration)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:56:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email subscription/unsubscription question
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1163928952.27980.mailman-users@python.org>

 
Hi,

Is it possible to setup subscription and unsubscription (ie the user sends a
message to the list with SUBSCRIBE in the subject) to my lists via email?
If so, how?

Thanks
Adriaan




From jwt at onjapan.net  Mon May 17 14:03:38 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 21:03:38 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Outlook Express News Reader to view andpost
	messages
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040517195842.02322410@popmail.gol.com>
References: <VA.000018bd.01d2e0c4@virtual-access.org>
	<E1BPXrD-0003Ep-EQ@smtp02.fields.gol.com>
	<20040517024713.GG18943@joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org>
	<6.1.0.6.2.20040517195842.02322410@popmail.gol.com>
Message-ID: <3B76D74E-A7FA-11D8-B94B-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On May 17, 2004, at 20:07, Barbara Manning wrote:

> If my only choice for this group is to read via my email client, I can 
> do that, it's just messy looking and I end up downloading about 75 
> messages a day.

You can read the Mailman-Users mailing list using the Gmane.org news 
service.
nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mailman.user

Or filter the incoming mailing list messages into their own folder for 
local reading.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From maillists at conactive.com  Mon May 17 15:31:34 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 15:31:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Outlook Express News Reader to view andpost
	messages
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040517195842.02322410@popmail.gol.com>
References: <VA.000018bd.01d2e0c4@virtual-access.org>
	<E1BPXrD-0003Ep-EQ@smtp02.fields.gol.com>
	<20040517024713.GG18943@joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org>
	<6.1.0.6.2.20040517195842.02322410@popmail.gol.com>
Message-ID: <VA.000018c2.00972808@virtual-access.org>

Barbara Manning wrote on Mon, 17 May 2004 20:07:26 +0900:

> If my only choice for this group is to read via my email client, I can do 
> that, it's just messy looking and I end up downloading about 75 messages a 
> day.   I'll probably unsubscribe with this email address and set up a 
> separate address just for this group.  That will help somewhat.
>

If the threading doesn't look good, it's a problem of your mail client. 
There's no difference in threading between newsgroups and mail unless some of 
the people on the list use certain Microsoft programs which don't add the 
correct headers for threading. I'm sure, Eudora is able to thread this list 
like a newsreader. And it should have filters/rules, so you don't need to set 
up an extra account (although using a different account for mailing lists 
isn't bad, anyway ;-). F.i. I simply use one of the headers in each mail to 
filter all mails for this mailing list in one folder setup just for it.

You need to make a clear distinction between mailing lists and newsgroups. 
You can only read mailing lists with a newsreader if there is a newsserver 
which gets the mailing list messages piped to/from. That's obviously what TPC 
has done, it's not standard. So, don't confuse "groups" and "lists".


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From willy.deroeck at pandora.be  Mon May 17 11:32:19 2004
From: willy.deroeck at pandora.be (Willy De Roeck)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:32:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman issue
Message-ID: <004c01c43bf1$db01c560$c3d576d5@pandora.be>

Can I just ask a question about mailman, a part of cpanel ?

I have changed from resellerprovider aaaa.com to provider bbbb.com. All accounts have been transferred through the backup/restore function in cpanel.

When I now ask for a mailinglist with my new provider it seems that in the interface of mailman still refers to the server of the old provider. In the interface of mailman I do not see a place where I can modify this. Also the new provider does not know where I can change this. 

Does any one have a clue how and where this path can be adjusted in such a way that the links refer to the server of my new provider ?

I will be grateful for ever.


From ericp at he.net  Sun May 16 21:50:34 2004
From: ericp at he.net (Eric P.)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 12:50:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] autoupdate /etc/aliases?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121337580.8058@sun.iwu.edu>
References: <40A1212D.10236.B207C4@localhost>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121337580.8058@sun.iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <200405161250.34539.ericp@he.net>

On Wednesday 12 May 2004 11:42 am, Pat Riehecky wrote:
> I'm playing around a bit with mailman and was wondering how to get it to
> update /etc/aliases automatically using postfix.

Pat:

Mailman updates the ~/data/aliases & ~/data/virtual-mailman files (and 
automatically updates their correspoding db files by virtue of the newaliases 
command). The /etc/aliases file is not used by Mailman.

Eric P.



From rjohnson at paperlesspractice.com  Mon May 17 17:40:55 2004
From: rjohnson at paperlesspractice.com (Randy Johnson)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:40:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <003b01c43c25$58090860$9a00a8c1@dell>

Our company regular sends out emails to our customers and potential list of customers.  Because of costs involved with the one system we are looking at using mailman to do the email part of it while using the other system for otherstuff  ie CRM etc...

I would like to see it work like this:

1.  I download file from CRM software of emails.

2.  I upload them or cut an paste to mailman

3.  if the email is already in the list it does not add them again and if they chose to opt out before it would not add them again as well.

4.  Also if the email is bad it would be nice if it would not add it to mailman as well.

Would mailman be able to accommodate the above?

Thanks,

Randy

From bcockrum at citiesandtowns.org  Mon May 17 18:27:41 2004
From: bcockrum at citiesandtowns.org (Brandon Cockrum)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:27:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Function
Message-ID: <13C7D640C448194B93A3B6E9AB8AF99931918A@iact-fp1.iact>

I was wondering if there was any way to search my list's archives by
topic or keyword.
 
Brandon Cockrum
Member Services Coordinator
Indiana Association of Cities and Towns
(317)237-6200, ext.235
bcockrum at citiesandtowns.org <mailto:bcockrum at citiesandtowns.org> 
 


From mailman_users at teahead.net  Mon May 17 20:07:56 2004
From: mailman_users at teahead.net (Jon Quiros)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 14:07:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email subscription/unsubscription question
In-Reply-To: <200405171156.i4HBuqkS000282@tlaloc.teahead.net>
References: <200405171156.i4HBuqkS000282@tlaloc.teahead.net>
Message-ID: <40A8FF7C.6030201@teahead.net>


Yes, RTFM.


Website Administration wrote:

> 
>Hi,
>
>Is it possible to setup subscription and unsubscription (ie the user sends a
>message to the list with SUBSCRIBE in the subject) to my lists via email?
>If so, how?
>
>Thanks
>Adriaan
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>  
>




From mailman-users at think.co.za  Mon May 17 20:32:32 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:32:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <003b01c43c25$58090860$9a00a8c1@dell>
References: <003b01c43c25$58090860$9a00a8c1@dell>
Message-ID: <1084818752.40a90540b5fe9@email.think.co.za>

Quoting Randy Johnson <rjohnson at paperlesspractice.com>:

> I would like to see it work like this:
> 
> 1.  I download file from CRM software of emails.
> 
> 2.  I upload them or cut an paste to mailman
> 
> 3.  if the email is already in the list it does not add them again and if
> they chose to opt out before it would not add them again as well.
> 
> 4.  Also if the email is bad it would be nice if it would not add it to
> mailman as well.
> 
> Would mailman be able to accommodate the above?

Mailman has a program called sync_members that will do exactly what you 
require. You could get clever and automate the CRM extraction to the same file 
every time, conveniently placed on a share accessible to mailman.

Then set-up a crontab job to sync that file with the mailman database. It will 
remove mailman users that don't appear on the list and add new ones 
accordingly.

Should work to the tee.

-- 
Regards
Hilton



From sergey at donnelly.edu  Mon May 17 22:59:43 2004
From: sergey at donnelly.edu ( Sergey Solovev)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 15:59:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission problem, please help
Message-ID: <000001c43c51$e0e6dbe0$0300a8c0@netadmin>

Hi,
 
I had to relocate my mailman folders from one partition to another one.
And unfortunately for me I messed up all the permissions. I fixed half
of it somehow, but I was wondering can someone give me a list of the
correct permissions on all the mailman folders.
 
regards


From theql107 at edo.uni-dortmund.de  Mon May 17 23:09:34 2004
From: theql107 at edo.uni-dortmund.de (Dennis Kuhlmeier)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 23:09:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Don't smack the newbie... 3 questions in one
Message-ID: <opr75w18fftbtzxe@theql.mshome.net>

Hi there,

I of course first searched the list archives but somehow did not find
exactly what i was looking for.
So please help me ;)

I just switched to Mailman 2.1.5 from a 2.0.x version and am not yet quite
sure if i like the way it works with all these python processes running
all the time, but well, now to the questions (allthough I know of the risk
of asking more than question at time, I hope all will be answered, but
number concerns me most atm)

1. Why does Mailman add a blank Cc: header to all mails posted to the
lists I created on the server, except the "Mailman" list itself? I have
set an Explicit Reply To: header to all of them, but that should not be
the cause, as I added one the Mailman list and it still does not add that
header...

2. Lists created via the admin webpage cannot accept mail (user unknown).
I know that mailman can now accept mail without having to add all the
aliases (how is that actually supposed to work), but on my system it just
won't work without these aliases. Why can that be? (running all lists by
using newlist command and adding the aliases, which works fine)
found this FAQ entry (which does not resemble the error sendmail reports)

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.036.htp

but adding virtual hosts didn't help, as expected :(

3. damn, i'm sure there was a third question, but i must have forgotten
it....


tnx to all who can help and are willing to do so!

regards,

-- 
Dennis Kuhlmeier

...the availability of pornography will increase at a rate sufficient to  
match any advances in data storage and transfer technology




From mbonanno at sas.upenn.edu  Mon May 17 23:14:55 2004
From: mbonanno at sas.upenn.edu (mbonanno)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:14:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MacOSX List Creation and Deletion failure through
	web interface
Message-ID: <40A92B4F.6050502@sas.upenn.edu>

Hi,

I've set up a Mac OS X server basically for the sole purpose of being a 
listserv.  I set up server, created one list called test through the 
Apple gui, and then verified that the I was receiving mail. 

Then i attempted to create a list through the web interface and got this 
error.  Can anyone tell me why this happened?  Is this a problem with 
Apple's permissions?  I have done no customization to the server other 
than running install CD and then activating Mailman, and then creating 
my to test lists.

Thanks alot,
Michael




_________________

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy 
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!

 Traceback:


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in 
process_request
    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
    _update_maps()
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps
    raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias 
/private/var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)




Python information:

Variable
Value

sys.version
 2.3 (#1, Sep 13 2003, 00:49:11) [GCC 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. 
build 1495)]

 sys.executable
 /usr/bin/python

 sys.prefix
 /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3

 sys.exec_prefix
 /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3

 sys.path
 /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3

 sys.platform
 darwin

 Environment variables:

Variable
Value

 HTTP_REFERER
 http://college.sas.upenn.edu/mailman/create

 SERVER_SOFTWARE
 Apache/1.3.28 (Darwin) DAV/1.0.3

 SCRIPT_NAME
 /mailman/create

 SERVER_SIGNATURE
 Apache/1.3.28 Server at college.sas.upenn.edu Port 16080

 REQUEST_METHOD
 POST

 SERVER_PROTOCOL
 HTTP/1.1

 QUERY_STRING

 CONTENT_LENGTH
 150

 HTTP_USER_AGENT
 Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/124 (KHTML, 
like Gecko) Safari/125.1

 HTTP_CONNECTION
 close

 HTTP_COOKIE
 test+admin=2802000000691529a940732800000033323364376563633934376531316131323266326465643838336664316464666133356338316330

 SERVER_NAME
 college.sas.upenn.edu

 REMOTE_ADDR
 127.0.0.1

 HTTP_PC_REMOTE_ADDR
 130.91.237.46

 SERVER_PORT
 16080

 SERVER_ADDR
 127.0.0.1

 DOCUMENT_ROOT
 /Library/WebServer/Documents

 PYTHONPATH
 /usr/share/mailman

 SCRIPT_FILENAME
 /usr/share/mailman/cgi-bin/create

 SERVER_ADMIN
 admin at example.com

 SCRIPT_URI
 http://college.sas.upenn.edu:16080/mailman/create

 HTTP_HOST
 college.sas.upenn.edu

 SCRIPT_URL
 /mailman/create

 REQUEST_URI
 /mailman/create

 HTTP_ACCEPT
 */*

 GATEWAY_INTERFACE
 CGI/1.1

 REMOTE_PORT
 49609

 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
 en-us, ja;q=0.21, de-de;q=0.86, de;q=0.79, fr-fr;q=0.71, fr;q=0.64, 
nl-nl;q=0.57, nl;q=0.50, it-it;q=0.43, it;q=0.36, ja-jp;q=0.29, 
en;q=0.93, es-es;q=0.14, es;q=0.07

 __CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING
 0x46:0:0

 CONTENT_TYPE
 application/x-www-form-urlencoded

 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING
 gzip, deflate;q=1.0, identity;q=0.5, *;q=0



From stephanie at thinkers.org  Mon May 17 23:33:53 2004
From: stephanie at thinkers.org (Steph Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:33:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in plain text messages
Message-ID: <20040517213352.GG3932@cadence.thinkers.org>

I have a 2.1 installation of Mailman, for which I own a couple of
mailing lists. These lists have been set up to accept certain MIME
attachments, and also to convert text/html to plain text. This works as
expected.

We have the default footer enabled, however, it is coming through as a
plain text attachment for all messages, rather than being appended to
the body of the message. I've been looking through the message archives
for Mailman, and have found many recent posts about this happening with
text/html messages. Likewise, the FAQ only refers to this happening with
HTML messages.

Any ideas on what might cause Mailman to use attachments for the footer
on plain text messages, and how I might change this behavior? 

If there's any other information I can provide, please let me know!

Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions on where to look!

Steph


-- 
When properly administered, vacations do not diminish productivity: for
every week you're away and get nothing done, there's another when your boss
is away and you get twice as much done.
		-- Daniel B. Luten



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon May 17 23:34:22 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:34:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MacOSX List Creation and Deletion failure through
	web interface
In-Reply-To: <40A92B4F.6050502@sas.upenn.edu>
References: <40A92B4F.6050502@sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <20040517213422.GF13518@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

mbonanno wrote:
> I've set up a Mac OS X server basically for the sole purpose of being a 
> listserv.  I set up server, created one list called test through the 
> Apple gui, and then verified that the I was receiving mail. 
>
> Then i attempted to create a list through the web interface and got this 
> error.  Can anyone tell me why this happened?  Is this a problem with 
> Apple's permissions?  I have done no customization to the server other 
> than running install CD and then activating Mailman, and then creating 
> my to test lists.
[...]
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2
[...]
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias 
> /private/var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

Check the FAQ.  It is indeed a permissions problem.

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Disobedience:  The silver lining to the cloud of servitude.
    -- Ambrose Bierce

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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon May 17 23:36:05 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:36:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission problem, please help
In-Reply-To: <000001c43c51$e0e6dbe0$0300a8c0@netadmin>
References: <000001c43c51$e0e6dbe0$0300a8c0@netadmin>
Message-ID: <20040517213605.GG13518@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Sergey Solovev wrote:
> I had to relocate my mailman folders from one partition to another one.
> And unfortunately for me I messed up all the permissions. I fixed half
> of it somehow, but I was wondering can someone give me a list of the
> correct permissions on all the mailman folders.

Just to be sure, have you tried using the command:

    $prefix/bin/check_perms -f

to let mailman correct the permissions?

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Gradualism is perpetuity in practice.
    -- William Lloyd Garrison

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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon May 17 23:39:46 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:39:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Don't smack the newbie... 3 questions in one
In-Reply-To: <opr75w18fftbtzxe@theql.mshome.net>
References: <opr75w18fftbtzxe@theql.mshome.net>
Message-ID: <20040517213946.GH13518@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Dennis Kuhlmeier wrote:
> 2. Lists created via the admin webpage cannot accept mail (user
> unknown).  I know that mailman can now accept mail without having to
> add all the aliases (how is that actually supposed to work), but on
> my system it just won't work without these aliases. Why can that be?
> (running all lists by using newlist command and adding the aliases,
> which works fine) found this FAQ entry (which does not resemble the
> error sendmail reports)

To have mailman automatically add the required aliases to your
sendmail alias file, you will need to follow the steps in
README.SENDMAIL.  I can't tell you more than that as I run Postfix.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the
most important of all the lessons of history.
    -- Aldous Huxley Collected Essays, 1959

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From edg at greenberg.org  Tue May 18 00:16:27 2004
From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 15:16:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <1084818752.40a90540b5fe9@email.think.co.za>
References: <003b01c43c25$58090860$9a00a8c1@dell>
	<1084818752.40a90540b5fe9@email.think.co.za>
Message-ID: <964932875.1084806987@roadrunner.palm1.palmone.com>

I'm not sure how this would protect members who had opted out from being 
added again though.

</edg>

--On Monday, May 17, 2004 8:32 PM +0200 Hilton J Ralphs 
<mailman-users at think.co.za> wrote:

> Quoting Randy Johnson <rjohnson at paperlesspractice.com>:
>
>> I would like to see it work like this:
>>
>> 1.  I download file from CRM software of emails.
>>
>> 2.  I upload them or cut an paste to mailman
>>
>> 3.  if the email is already in the list it does not add them again and if
>> they chose to opt out before it would not add them again as well.
>>
>> 4.  Also if the email is bad it would be nice if it would not add it to
>> mailman as well.
>>
>> Would mailman be able to accommodate the above?
>
> Mailman has a program called sync_members that will do exactly what you
> require. You could get clever and automate the CRM extraction to the same
> file  every time, conveniently placed on a share accessible to mailman.
>
> Then set-up a crontab job to sync that file with the mailman database. It
> will  remove mailman users that don't appear on the list and add new ones
> accordingly.
>
> Should work to the tee.
>
> --
> Regards
> Hilton
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/







From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 18 01:41:13 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 01:41:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Outlook Express News Reader to
	view 	andpost messages
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040517195842.02322410@popmail.gol.com>
References: <VA.000018bd.01d2e0c4@virtual-access.org>
	<E1BPXrD-0003Ep-EQ@smtp02.fields.gol.com>
	<20040517024713.GG18943@joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org>
	<6.1.0.6.2.20040517195842.02322410@popmail.gol.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200ebccefdd8da3b@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:07 PM +0900 2004/05/17, Barbara Manning wrote:

>  If my only choice for this group is to read via my email client, I can
>  do that, it's just messy looking and I end up downloading about 75
>  messages a day.   I'll probably unsubscribe with this email address and
>  set up a separate address just for this group.  That will help somewhat.

	You could also switch yourself over to digest mode, if you prefer.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 18 01:41:47 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 01:41:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email subscription/unsubscription
 question
In-Reply-To: <200405171156.i4HBuml0029887@inmx008.isp.belgacom.be>
References: <200405171156.i4HBuml0029887@inmx008.isp.belgacom.be>
Message-ID: <p0600200fbccefe29ed2c@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:56 PM +0200 2004/05/17, Website Administration wrote:

>  Is it possible to setup subscription and unsubscription (ie the user sends a
>  message to the list with SUBSCRIBE in the subject) to my lists via email?

	Mailman does this by default.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 18 01:44:51 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 01:44:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Function
In-Reply-To: <13C7D640C448194B93A3B6E9AB8AF99931918A@iact-fp1.iact>
References: <13C7D640C448194B93A3B6E9AB8AF99931918A@iact-fp1.iact>
Message-ID: <p06002011bccefeea1a74@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:27 AM -0500 2004/05/17, Brandon Cockrum wrote:

>  I was wondering if there was any way to search my list's archives by
>  topic or keyword.

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From edg at greenberg.org  Tue May 18 04:29:13 2004
From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 19:29:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Add digest members
Message-ID: <1481754E231C14ABC4F161FF@[192.168.1.99]>

I know that I can add a file-full of digest members from the command line, 
but can I do so from the web GUI? I don't see how, on the Mass Subscribe 
page. Am I missing something?

</edg>



From rkpn at british-genealogy.com  Tue May 18 04:56:56 2004
From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 03:56:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Add digest members
In-Reply-To: <1481754E231C14ABC4F161FF@[192.168.1.99]>
References: <1481754E231C14ABC4F161FF@[192.168.1.99]>
Message-ID: <No9Spdg4tXqAFAIS@btconnect.com>

In message <1481754E231C14ABC4F161FF@[192.168.1.99]>, Ed Greenberg 
<edg at greenberg.org> writes
>I know that I can add a file-full of digest members from the command 
>line, but can I do so from the web GUI? I don't see how, on the Mass 
>Subscribe page. Am I missing something?

First go to the "Digest Options"
... and the second option down:

"Which delivery mode is the default for new users?"
set to "Digest"

Then go do your mass subscribe.

Change the digest option back again afterwards if you wish.

Regards
Rod
-- 
Rod Neep
Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org
British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue May 18 06:16:14 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 00:16:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Add digest members
In-Reply-To: <1481754E231C14ABC4F161FF@[192.168.1.99]>
References: <1481754E231C14ABC4F161FF@[192.168.1.99]>
Message-ID: <20040518041614.GI13518@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Ed Greenberg wrote:
> I know that I can add a file-full of digest members from the command
> line, but can I do so from the web GUI? I don't see how, on the Mass
> Subscribe page. Am I missing something?

Nope.  There's no option for this now that I know of.  Rod's technique
is the most viable if you don't have command line access.  If you do
this a lot and want to add an option like this to the web gui, it'd be
pretty easy.  Something like the below patch would get you an option
to do this.

- --- mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py~	Wed Dec 24 12:27:45 2003
+++ mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py	Mon May 17 23:31:53 2004
@@ -1158,6 +1158,15 @@
         ])
     table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 0, bgcolor=GREY)
     table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 1, bgcolor=GREY)
+    table.AddRow([
+        Label(_('Subscribe these users for digest delivery?')),
+        RadioButtonArray('subscribe_as_digest',
+                         (_('No'), _('Yes')),
+                         mlist.digest_is_default,
+                         values=(0, 1))
+        ])
+    table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 0, bgcolor=GREY)
+    table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 1, bgcolor=GREY)
     table.AddRow([Italic(_('Enter one address per line below...'))])
     table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 0, colspan=2)
     table.AddRow([Center(TextArea(name='subscribees',
@@ -1307,7 +1316,7 @@
         # Default is to subscribe
         subscribe_or_invite = safeint('subscribe_or_invite', 0)
         invitation = cgidata.getvalue('invitation', '')
- -        digest = mlist.digest_is_default
+        digest = safeint('subscribe_as_digest', mlist.digest_is_default)
         if not mlist.digestable:
             digest = 0
         if not mlist.nondigestable:

- -- 
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I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.
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From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Tue May 18 06:38:57 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 23:38:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more on gate_news
References: <CD644968-A4E8-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
	<00c101c438fd$3e435d20$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<540131B2-A503-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
	<02cc01c43915$50fd71e0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<p06002004bccda712acba@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <046801c43c92$0a111540$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Brad Knowles wrote:

> Not, I don't think it's luck.  Once I had the host & newsgroup
> settings correct, it worked just fine for me under a previous
> installation with Mailman 2.1.2 on Solaris 9, and now under Mailman
> 2.1.4 under FreeBSD 5.x.
>
> This is not luck -- this is something that Mailman is designed to
> do quite well.

And it does!  I set up two lists about a month ago, one for receiving posts
from a newsgroup and the other for posting to a newsgroup and both have
worked flawlessly from the beginning with only one small hiccup which was
the fault of my nntp provider.

hth,
texas critter

-- 
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/





From mailman-users at think.co.za  Tue May 18 06:56:19 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 06:56:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <964932875.1084806987@roadrunner.palm1.palmone.com>
References: <003b01c43c25$58090860$9a00a8c1@dell>
	<1084818752.40a90540b5fe9@email.think.co.za>
	<964932875.1084806987@roadrunner.palm1.palmone.com>
Message-ID: <1084856179.40a997736cc40@email.think.co.za>

Quoting Ed Greenberg <edg at greenberg.org>:

> I'm not sure how this would protect members who had opted out from being 
> added again though.
> 
> </edg>

Ed, just to get this right, someone who previously was a mailman user and now 
decides to leave the group? Effectively, you are controlling the source from 
your CRM package and not the mailman database?

If so, then that sync program will add new members and delete ones that are 
not found on the extraction list. So as long as you use the CRM system 
to 'tag' members, you'll be ok.

Hope this helps. 

-- 
Regards
Hilton



From mailman-users at think.co.za  Tue May 18 07:00:22 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 07:00:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Add digest members
In-Reply-To: <1481754E231C14ABC4F161FF@[192.168.1.99]>
References: <1481754E231C14ABC4F161FF@[192.168.1.99]>
Message-ID: <1084856422.40a99866bd542@email.think.co.za>

Quoting Ed Greenberg <edg at greenberg.org>:

> I know that I can add a file-full of digest members from the command line, 
> but can I do so from the web GUI? I don't see how, on the Mass Subscribe 
> page. Am I missing something?
> 
> </edg>

Before you 'Ctrl + v' or mass-upload a file, go to the 'Digest options' page 
and set the 'Which delivery mode is the default for new users?' tag 
to 'Digest'. Then upload your new members and reset the digest tag.

Should work.

-- 
Regards
Hilton



From sinnamon at westnet.com.au  Tue May 18 07:42:39 2004
From: sinnamon at westnet.com.au (James Sinnamon)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:42:39 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where to set list so that owner approval is (not)
	required for new subscriberss
Message-ID: <200405181542.39113.sinnamon@westnet.com.au>

Dear mailmain users,

Can you tell me what the option, to (not) require owner aproval for 
new  subscription requests, should look like?  And where should it be?

If I can't find it, do I need to see the site administrator?

I am using mailman version 2.0.7

TIA

James

-- 
James Sinnamon

http://www.australianvisions.com.au/Members/james
sinnamon at westnet com auStralia
ph +61 412 319669, +61 2 95692123, +61 2 95726357



From sinnamon at westnet.com.au  Tue May 18 09:03:24 2004
From: sinnamon at westnet.com.au (James Sinnamon)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:03:24 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where to set list so that owner approval is (not)
	required for new subscriberss
In-Reply-To: <C4BDB2C8-A891-11D8-8587-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
References: <200405181542.39113.sinnamon@westnet.com.au>
	<C4BDB2C8-A891-11D8-8587-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <200405181703.24106.sinnamon@westnet.com.au>

Jim,

Thanks for your your prompt reply.

On Tue, 18 May 2004 04:08 pm, you wrote:
> On May 18, 2004, at 14:42, James Sinnamon wrote:
> > Can you tell me what the option, to (not) require owner aproval for
> > new  subscription requests, should look like?  And where should it be?
> >
> > If I can't find it, do I need to see the site administrator?
> >
> > I am using mailman version 2.0.7
>
> That is a very old version of Mailman.  You really should update.

Thanks for the suggestion. At the moment I am using an
 ISP's list server, but soon I will putting one on my 
own (RH 9.0) Linux server at home.

>
> At least with 2.0.13, the option is the second one on the Privacy
> Options page.
> What steps are required for subscription?
>
> confirm 	require approval 	confirm+approval
>
> You want the first, 'confirm'.

That's what I needed.  Don't know why I couln't see it before.

Thanks for your help.

Best regards,

James

-- 
James Sinnamon

http://www.australianvisions.com.au/Members/james
sinnamon at westnet com auStralia
ph +61 412 319669, +61 2 95692123, +61 2 95726357



From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue May 18 11:04:39 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:04:39 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman "confirm" script for Mac OS Mail.app
Message-ID: <647C51B3-A8AA-11D8-8587-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

I've written a small AppleScript that will send the "confirm" email 
responses to Mailman administrative requests.  Select one or more 
messages and then run the script from OS X Mail.app's script menu.  (By 
default the confirmation "discards", but you could put the "Approved: 
{list-password]" at the start of the generated reply's content to make 
a trivial variant that would approve the selected messages.)
   http://www.OnJapan.net/mac/
   http://www.OnJapan.net/mac/Mailman%20Cancel.applescript


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From mehmood_hasan116 at hotmail.com  Tue May 18 14:01:51 2004
From: mehmood_hasan116 at hotmail.com (mehmood hasan)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:01:51 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem
Message-ID: <BAY12-F85x3176HMnYu0001e8e2@hotmail.com>

Hi
I configured the mailman, I am facing some problems like that,
Creation of new mail list is successfull and it also subscribe users added 
for that list and confirm their subscription through e-mail
but when I send e-mail "cit at uaar.edu.pk "to the list "cit" created the 
following error occures

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
The original message was received at
Tue, 18 May 2004 17:47:36 +0600
from [192.168.1.228]
   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post cit"
    (reason: Service unavailable)
    (expanded from: <cit at uaar.edu.pk>)
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

I edit the " /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py" like that

IMAGE_LOGOS = '/html/'

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'uaar.edu.pk'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.uaar.edu.pk'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

and made the following enteries in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file

##Mailman Aliases
ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"

Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/"
<Directory "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public">
  Options FollowSymLinks
</Directory>
Is their any solution for my problem

_________________________________________________________________
MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* 
http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus




From tegshee at mongol.net  Tue May 18 12:51:19 2004
From: tegshee at mongol.net (Tegshjargal.A)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 19:51:19 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing on freeBSD 5.2 with sendmail
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20040518192239.00b1ad50@202.179.0.80>

Hi All!
I install mailman-2.1.4 from ports of freeBSD 5.2 with sendmail.
But didn't work. I can't find directory "smrsh".
P help me





From edg at greenberg.org  Tue May 18 14:16:00 2004
From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 05:16:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Add digest members
In-Reply-To: <20040518041614.GI13518@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <1481754E231C14ABC4F161FF@[192.168.1.99]>
	<20040518041614.GI13518@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <8EACBF7A6D19AD9735A7AB17@[192.168.1.99]>

Thanks to all for the suggestions. On most of my lists, on my own server, I 
would just use the command line. The list in question is on somebody else's 
server. I talked him into moving from ezmlm to mailman, and I don't want to 
bother him more than necessary.

Thanks,
</edg>

--On Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:16 AM -0400 Todd <Freedom_Lover at pobox.com> 
wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Ed Greenberg wrote:
>> I know that I can add a file-full of digest members from the command
>> line, but can I do so from the web GUI? I don't see how, on the Mass
>> Subscribe page. Am I missing something?
>
> Nope.  There's no option for this now that I know of.  Rod's technique
> is the most viable if you don't have command line access.  If you do
> this a lot and want to add an option like this to the web gui, it'd be
> pretty easy.  Something like the below patch would get you an option
> to do this.
>
> - --- mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py~	Wed Dec 24 12:27:45 2003
> +++ mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py	Mon May 17 23:31:53 2004
> @@ -1158,6 +1158,15 @@
>          ])
>      table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 0, bgcolor=GREY)
>      table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 1, bgcolor=GREY)
> +    table.AddRow([
> +        Label(_('Subscribe these users for digest delivery?')),
> +        RadioButtonArray('subscribe_as_digest',
> +                         (_('No'), _('Yes')),
> +                         mlist.digest_is_default,
> +                         values=(0, 1))
> +        ])
> +    table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 0, bgcolor=GREY)
> +    table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 1, bgcolor=GREY)
>      table.AddRow([Italic(_('Enter one address per line below...'))])
>      table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 0, colspan=2)
>      table.AddRow([Center(TextArea(name='subscribees',
> @@ -1307,7 +1316,7 @@
>          # Default is to subscribe
>          subscribe_or_invite = safeint('subscribe_or_invite', 0)
>          invitation = cgidata.getvalue('invitation', '')
> - -        digest = mlist.digest_is_default
> +        digest = safeint('subscribe_as_digest', mlist.digest_is_default)
>          if not mlist.digestable:
>              digest = 0
>          if not mlist.nondigestable:
>
> - --
> Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
> ======================================================================
> I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.
>     -- Thomas Carlyle
>
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>
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>
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> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/







From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Tue May 18 16:48:30 2004
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:48:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OutgoingRunner runaway
In-Reply-To: <8EACBF7A6D19AD9735A7AB17@[192.168.1.99]>
References: <20040518041614.GI13518@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <40A9CDDE.24265.371C3D2@localhost>

I am running Mailman version 2.1.1 and I just noticed that 

qrunner /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner 
--runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s

is chewing up all available cpu time. I don't recall seeing this 
before. Mailman has been running on this machine for over two 
years.

Can someone give me some hints on where to start looking for the 
problem.

Thanks in advance.

--Richard



From wfroning at pacific.edu  Tue May 18 18:20:28 2004
From: wfroning at pacific.edu (Will Froning)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:20:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Mass Add digest members
Message-ID: <opr77ecebbmxztld@daemon.uop.edu>

Change the default delivery mode to Digest in the "Digest Options" page,  
and then import the users from the Mass Sub page.

Will

-- 
Will Froning
Unix Sys. Admin.
(209)946-7470
(209)662-4725
wfroning at Pacific.EDU



From cwieland at uci.edu  Tue May 18 18:28:06 2004
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:28:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem accessing membership management
Message-ID: <57F3437A-A8E8-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>

While running 2.1.4 I get the following when trying to access the 
Membership Management module from the admin page. This only happens on 
one list on a server with ~400 lists.

ideas?
Con Wieland





Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 198, in main
     show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 501, in 
show_results
     form.AddItem(membership_options(mlist, subcat, cgidata, doc, form))
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 873, in 
membership_options
     all = [_m.encode() for _m in mlist.getMembers()]
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xa0 in position 
16: ordinal not in range(128)




------------------------------------------------------------------------



From 1widman at unete.com  Mon May 17 16:50:39 2004
From: 1widman at unete.com (Richard Widman)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:50:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] response messages to mailing list
Message-ID: <094a01c43c1e$8ca16790$1a01640a@TECRA9100>

I'm having trouble with the mailing list.  If anyone who receives an email from the list responds, it automatically sends that message to everyone on the list instead of holding it for approval.  How can I turn this off?

thanks
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Widman
www.widman.biz
Representantes para Bolivia de Lubricantes CHEVRON y AMERICAN PETROLEUM

From AndresSH at alamin.org  Mon May 17 23:57:16 2004
From: AndresSH at alamin.org (Andres Seco Hernandez)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 23:57:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suggest about default at admindb.py from DEFER
	to	DISCARD
In-Reply-To: <40A60D36.17906.5943E29@localhost>
References: <20040512223157.GB23173@alamin.org>
	<40A60D36.17906.5943E29@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040517215716.GD30569@alamin.org>

Thanks a lot, Lloyd. That is exactly the option i was looking for.
I am sorry, i have not found it after a lot of searching. I was using
some old versions of mailman for a long time, and i search a lot in this
recent version for new functionalities.

El 15 May 2004 a las 12:29PM -0700, Lloyd F. Tennison escribio:
> Why don't you set the value in the admin console in the first place?  
> Under Sender filters, near the bottom:
> 
> Action to take for postings from non-members for which no 
> explicit action is defined. 
> Set it to discard.
> Or use this patch already made to discard all:
> [ mailman-Patches-810675 ] Add 'Discard all messages marked
> 	"Defer"'
> 
> 
> 
> Date sent:      	Thu, 13 May 2004 00:31:57 +0200
> From:           	Andres Seco Hernandez <AndresSH at alamin.org>
> To:             	mailman-users at python.org
> Copies to:      	lista at guadawireless.net, lilo at gulalcarria.org
> Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] suggest about default at admindb.py from DEFER to
> 	DISCARD
> 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > I have not found a link to send this wish as a bug in the bug tracking
> > system at sf.net. I am sorry. Perhaps this is not the correct way, but i
> > will try it.
> > 
> > As a lot of pending request to mailman lists are from automatic virus or
> > spammers, sometimes is necesary (because of the volume) to have a
> > default option at DISCARD of the pending messages. Any time i update
> > mailman i need to patch manually admindb.py at line 393 from
> > 
> > (1, 0, 0, 0))
> > 
> > to
> > 
> > (0, 0, 0, 1))
> > 
> > that is, i need to DISCARD pending messages to avoid great grow of it
> > (too much spam and too much virus). I can not read about 1000 messages
> > per week looking for valid messages from people not subscribed to the
> > list when almost all messages (really all the messages) are not valid
> > and i want to discard all of it.
> > 
> > It may be a good option to be added in the config page of a list (do you
> > want pending messages to be discarded by default?).
> > 
> > Thanks a lot for this good mail list manager.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Andres Seco Hernandez
> > 	http://andressh.net
> > 	mailto:AndresSH at alamin.org
> >         jabber:sslowly at jabber.guadawireless.org
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > http://guadawireless.net  http://www.debian.org       http://www.alamin.org
> > http://www.redlibre.net   http://www.gulalcarria.org    http://andressh.net
> >                           http://objetivosubjetivo.com
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Por favor, NO utilice formatos de archivo propietarios para el intercambio
> > de documentos, como DOC y XLS, sino HTML, PDF, TXT, CSV o cualquier otro
> > que no obligue a utilizar un programa de un fabricante concreto.
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Lloyd F. Tennison
> lloyd_tennison at whoever.com
> 
> No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
> However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
> inconvenienced.
> 

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de documentos, como DOC y XLS, sino HTML, PDF, TXT, CSV o cualquier otro
que no obligue a utilizar un programa de un fabricante concreto.



From theql at edo.uni-dortmund.de  Mon May 17 23:01:26 2004
From: theql at edo.uni-dortmund.de (Dennis Kuhlmeier)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 23:01:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Don't smack the newbie... 3 questions in one
Message-ID: <opr75woo01wb18nd@theql.mshome.net>

Hi there,

I of course first searched the list archives but somehow did not find  
exactly what i was looking for.
So please help me ;)

I just switched to Mailman 2.1.5 from a 2.0.x version and am not yet quite  
sure if i like the way it works with all these python processes running  
all the time, but well, now to the questions (allthough I know of the risk  
of asking more than question at time, I hope all will be answered, but  
number concerns me most atm)

1. Why does Mailman add a blank Cc: header to all mails posted to the  
lists I created on the server, except the "Mailman" list itself? I have  
set an Explicit Reply To: header to all of them, but that should not be  
the cause, as I added one the Mailman list and it still does not add that  
header...

2. Lists created via the admin webpage cannot accept mail (user unknown).  
I know that mailman can now accept mail without having to add all the  
aliases (how is that actually supposed to work), but on my system it just  
won't work without these aliases. Why can that be? (running all lists by  
using newlist und adding the aliases, which works fine)
found this FAQ entry, but adding virtual hosts didn't help :(

3. damn, i'm sure there was a third question, but i must have forgotten  
it....


tnx to all who can help and are willing to do so!

regards,

-- 
Dennis Kuhlmeier

...the availability of pornography will increase at a rate sufficient to  
match any advances in data storage and transfer technology




From audible at umich.edu  Sun May 16 23:30:29 2004
From: audible at umich.edu (carlos h)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 17:30:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] membership archive
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.58.0405161726070.9035@mspacman.gpcc.itd.umich.edu>

Hi. I'm trying to archive a list of members in an easy format where I can
just cut and paste the 123 + email addresses I have and add them to a new
email list system. As of now, I need to click on A, B, C and so on and cut
and paste each email address from each alphabetical category. With 123
members, that will take a while. Is there a text file with this info that
is located somewhere in the systen that I can access? Thanks alot,

Carlos



From cartereb at earthlink.net  Tue May 18 01:17:31 2004
From: cartereb at earthlink.net (Carter Bing)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 19:17:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get started
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFpPq68QtukKPtiCsQuteFcKAAAAQAAAA4NwPYU/6LUOL9LSMy2fDrAEAAAAA@earthlink.net>

Greetings,

 

I just installed a red hat server with the mailman package. I have been
trying to find a good working manual on the how tos of setting up and
running the software but can seem to locate on their website. Can someone
point me in the right direction as to where to find a set of good
instructions with an eye for how to correctly configure Apache to work with
the software?

 

Thanks,

 

 

Carter



From info at saidaonline.net  Tue May 18 11:19:22 2004
From: info at saidaonline.net (SaidaOnline.net)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 05:19:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help, how to copy list members to other list
Message-ID: <E1BQ0ks-0001S2-Hs@server3.jiffynet.net>

Dear Sir

I am a user for mailman
I moderate about 12 mailman lists
I need a way to copy the members from one list to other one
I used to copy one page (letter) by one its too hard and take alot of 
time.

If it used mysql database I could dump it but I don't know where the 
data stored.

thanks

A. Nakouzi



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue May 18 19:13:08 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:13:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get started
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFpPq68QtukKPtiCsQuteFcKAAAAQAAAA4NwPYU/6LUOL9LSMy2fDrAEAAAAA@earthlink.net>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFpPq68QtukKPtiCsQuteFcKAAAAQAAAA4NwPYU/6LUOL9LSMy2fDrAEAAAAA@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040518171308.GK13518@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Carter Bing wrote:
> I just installed a red hat server with the mailman package. I have
> been trying to find a good working manual on the how tos of setting
> up and running the software but can seem to locate on their website.
> Can someone point me in the right direction as to where to find a
> set of good instructions with an eye for how to correctly configure
> Apache to work with the software?

You don't mention any versions so I have no idea how new or old your
RedHat and Mailman versions might be.  RedHat's mailman rpms have for
some time now included a file, either README.REDHAT or INSTALL.REDHAT
that detail the post installation steps you must take to get mailman
working with Apache and your MTA.  This file is found in
/usr/share/doc/mailman-<version>, along with other mailman
documentation from the source distribution.

One tip, if you are running RH 9, be especially sure you upgrade to
the latest errata.  You'll save yourself some headaches that way.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
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    -- John Gardner

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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue May 18 19:15:39 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:15:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] response messages to mailing list
In-Reply-To: <094a01c43c1e$8ca16790$1a01640a@TECRA9100>
References: <094a01c43c1e$8ca16790$1a01640a@TECRA9100>
Message-ID: <20040518171539.GL13518@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Richard Widman wrote:
> I'm having trouble with the mailing list.  If anyone who receives an
> email from the list responds, it automatically sends that message to
> everyone on the list instead of holding it for approval.  How can I
> turn this off?

You need to set all members moderation flags.  You can do this on the
membership management page.  There is also a very detailed FAQ entry
titled "How do I create a newsletter/announcement/one-way list?"  You
might find that helpful in tuning your list.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Politics is the business of tinkering with other people's lives.
    -- Nolan Neathercutt

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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue May 18 19:25:16 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:25:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help, how to copy list members to other list
In-Reply-To: <E1BQ0ks-0001S2-Hs@server3.jiffynet.net>
References: <E1BQ0ks-0001S2-Hs@server3.jiffynet.net>
Message-ID: <20040518172516.GM13518@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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SaidaOnline.net wrote:
> I need a way to copy the members from one list to other one

I'd use list_members to dump the member list from the first list and
then sync_members or add_members to add them to the other list.

- -- 
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From david at midrange.com  Tue May 18 19:26:32 2004
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:26:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Force a probe message?
Message-ID: <40AA4748.6080705@midrange.com>

Folks:

Anyone know if there is a way to force a probe message to go out for a 
subscriber?

I have a subscriber who's mail appears to be bouncing ... but it's going 
back to the original author of the message and not the list address.

I'd like to force their subscription into such a state as a probe 
message is sent out so it can be disabled if the email address is indeed 
broken.

Thanks!

david




From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Tue May 18 22:42:32 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:42:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postalias error
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121501200.15786@sun.iwu.edu>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200405112139.12376.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121501200.15786@sun.iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <200405181642.32985.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

I am using postfix, setting things up according to the readme file for postfix 
in the source code for mailman. When i try to create a list i get the error 
below. 



Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in process_request
    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
    _update_maps()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps
    raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /var/mailman/data/aliases 
(status: 1, Operation not permitted)


The rest of the error is in the attached file - postaliaserror

Thanks
Brian


-------------- next part --------------
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4



We're sorry, we hit a bug!


If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 


Traceback:


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in process_request
    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
    _update_maps()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps
    raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)





Python information:



Variable
Value


sys.version
 2.2.3 (#1, Aug 8 2003, 08:44:02) [GCC 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-13)] 


sys.executable
 /usr/bin/python 


sys.prefix
 /usr 


sys.exec_prefix
 /usr 


sys.path
 /usr 


sys.platform
 linux2 



Environment variables:



Variable
Value


 CONTENT_LENGTH 
153 


HTTP_PRAGMA 
no-cache 


CONTENT_TYPE 
application/x-www-form-urlencoded 


HTTP_COOKIE 
$Version=1; servergroup+admin=2802000000694a36aa40732800000034363937326634373936346339613738323934316161343434626266386161656631613233656264; $Path="/mailman/" 


SCRIPT_FILENAME 
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/create 


PYTHONPATH 
/var/mailman 


SERVER_SOFTWARE 
Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) 


SERVER_ADMIN 
root at localhost 


SCRIPT_NAME 
/mailman/create 


SERVER_SIGNATURE 
Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) Server at listserv.nku.edu Port 80


 REQUEST_METHOD 
POST 


HTTP_HOST 
listserv.nku.edu 


SERVER_PROTOCOL 
HTTP/1.1 


QUERY_STRING 


HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL 
no-cache 


REQUEST_URI 
/mailman/create 


HTTP_ACCEPT 
text/html, image/jpeg, image/png, text/*, image/*, */* 


HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 
iso-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.5, *;q=0.5 


HTTP_USER_AGENT 
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.2; Linux) (KHTML, like Gecko) 


HTTP_CONNECTION 
Keep-Alive 


HTTP_REFERER 
http://listserv.nku.edu/mailman/create 


SERVER_NAME 
listserv.nku.edu 


REMOTE_ADDR 
172.31.101.4 


REMOTE_PORT 
19492 


HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 
en 


UNIQUE_ID 
UMoDLcB67UYAABBShaoAAAAD 


SERVER_PORT 
80 


GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
CGI/1.1 


HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 
x-gzip, x-deflate, gzip, deflate 


SERVER_ADDR 
172.31.101.70 


DOCUMENT_ROOT 
/var/www/html 

From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Tue May 18 23:41:02 2004
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul Smith)
Date: 18 May 2004 17:41:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner running away (Mailman 2.0.11)
Message-ID: <vpdrad052z2p.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

I know this is a really old version, but I'm hoping someone has some
hints for me on troubleshooting this: upgrading to 2.1.4 or 2.1.5 is on
my TODO list but...


This server has probably 50 lists on it, and it has relatively low
traffic overall.  It's no great shakes hardware-wise (a dual PIII 500MHz
box with 512M RAM), but for a mail server at this level that should be
quite sufficient.  And, in fact, it has been up until fairly recently.
No changes have been made to this box (it's running FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE)
or its environment that I can think of.


What's happening is that the qrunner process is sucking down one entire
CPU, with 99% cpu usage.  That same qrunner (python instance) will run
for 30 minutes or more, then it will finish and the box will be idle for a
while, then it will start again.  Mail that used to be delivered almost
instantly now can take up to an hour to get through the box.  Top shows
that the box is not memory starved.  I tried to truss the python process
but I get nothing but break() after break(); no real system calls at
all.  This one process ends up using about 190M.

Does anyone have any ideas about how to debug this problem?  Is there
something stuck in the mail queue which is causing all this havoc?  How
can I find it and get it out of there?


Thanks!

-- 
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 "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
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   These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.



From wheakory at isu.edu  Wed May 19 00:12:12 2004
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:12:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scrubber question
Message-ID: <40AA8A3C.4040209@isu.edu>

I'm currently using Mailman 2.1.4 with Postfix on a Red Hat Enterprise 
Ver3 workstation.

I installed the scrubber patch[904850], to use it to save attachments to 
be viewed in the archives, and this leads me to my question.  How would 
I be able to have mailman remove attachments being sent to the mailing 
lists to subscribers personal emails, but still have scrubber save it as 
an attachment link in the archives.  I know you can use content filters 
to remove attachments, but when this happens,  the scrubber patch 
doesn't save them in the archive area. 

I tried changing the GLOBAL PIPELINE  by putting "Scrubber" as the first 
handler to be used, but the content filter options must be looked at 
first, before scrubber can put the attachment in the archives, because 
I'm having the content filter strip out any image attachments, but I 
would like this image attachments to be viewable in the archives.

Basically, I want the email messages to be stripped from attachments, 
(because of size reasons), but have the attachments still be viewable in 
the archives, using scrubber.

Is this possible?  I don't have much Python programming experience.


-- 
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.




From MSass at sassware.com  Wed May 19 00:21:32 2004
From: MSass at sassware.com (Mark Sass)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:21:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Sendmail issues
Message-ID: <7F1B4B649C11FB4ABAC86C03BAA63DC9025EA9@exchange.sassware.local>

Hey All,
	I am new to Mailman - just downloaded it last night, and I am having some problems configuring the sendmail portion of it.  Some background information:

Mailman V2.1.5
Sendmail 8.11.2/8.12.2
Python 2.3.3
Apache 1.3.14
mod_python 2.7.10
Suse 7.3 which installed Sendmail and Apache

The Apache/mod-python has problems in that it does not like the the no extension on the python scripts, but if I rename them to admin.py they work fine.  This is an Apache problem, but I will ask - how do I get apache to recognize the scripts to be scripts and not try to download them?  My biggest problem is that whenever I send email to one of the aliases created I get this error:


May 18 11:52:32 hostname procmail[32308]: Unknown user "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
May 18 11:52:32 hostname sendmail[32307]: i4IGqWp32306: to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30220, dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown


I see the smrsh in the /usr/lib/sendmail.d/bin directory, and I have made the changes to the Mprog setting in sendmail.cf to use it instead of the /bin/sh, but nothing seems to work.  The current configuration uses a smart host for all outside email, and I can successfully send email back and forth from 'real' users on the system with no problems.  I know there is probably a simple solution, but all the articles I have read over the past 24 hours (worked about 8 hours on this) have not helped.  Can someone point me to a very detailed troubleshooting article about this or can help me troubleshoot it?  I am contemplating upgrading Sendmail to 8.12.11.  Any suggestions?

Your help is appreciated.

Mark



From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Wed May 19 00:27:16 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:27:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman issue
In-Reply-To: <004c01c43bf1$db01c560$c3d576d5@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <40AA2B54.12027.5481FA0@localhost>

How is it referring, by domain name, IP or what.  If by domain name, if 
you are using the same domain name it should not find the old domain 
unless your registrar info is incorrect.

From:           	"Willy De Roeck" <willy.deroeck at pandora.be>
To:             	<mailman-users at python.org>
Date sent:      	Mon, 17 May 2004 11:32:19 +0200
Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] mailman issue

> Can I just ask a question about mailman, a part of cpanel ?
> 
> I have changed from resellerprovider aaaa.com to provider bbbb.com. All accounts have been transferred through the backup/restore function in cpanel.
> 
> When I now ask for a mailinglist with my new provider it seems that in the interface of mailman still refers to the server of the old provider. In the interface of mailman I do not see a place where I can modify this. Also the new provider does not know where I can change this. 
> 
> Does any one have a clue how and where this path can be adjusted in such a way that the links refer to the server of my new provider ?
> 
> I will be grateful for ever.
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

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However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
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From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Wed May 19 00:27:12 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:27:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in plain text messages
In-Reply-To: <20040517213352.GG3932@cadence.thinkers.org>
Message-ID: <40AA2B50.19398.54810CC@localhost>

That is exactly as it is setup to work.  Since it cannot determine what 
MIME it is using, the default is text-only. It does not and will not as 
setup send other than text.  Someone would have to rewrite the module 
to add footers (and headers.)


Date sent:      	Mon, 17 May 2004 17:33:53 -0400
From:           	Steph Smith <stephanie at thinkers.org>
To:             	mailman-users at python.org
Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in plain text messages
Send reply to:  	Steph Smith <stephanie at thinkers.org>
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>

> I have a 2.1 installation of Mailman, for which I own a couple of
> mailing lists. These lists have been set up to accept certain MIME
> attachments, and also to convert text/html to plain text. This works as
> expected.
> 
> We have the default footer enabled, however, it is coming through as a
> plain text attachment for all messages, rather than being appended to
> the body of the message. I've been looking through the message archives
> for Mailman, and have found many recent posts about this happening with
> text/html messages. Likewise, the FAQ only refers to this happening with
> HTML messages.
> 
> Any ideas on what might cause Mailman to use attachments for the footer
> on plain text messages, and how I might change this behavior? 
> 
> If there's any other information I can provide, please let me know!
> 
> Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions on where to look!
> 
> Steph
> 
> 
> -- 
> When properly administered, vacations do not diminish productivity: for
> every week you're away and get nothing done, there's another when your boss
> is away and you get twice as much done.
> 		-- Daniel B. Luten
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

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From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Wed May 19 00:00:01 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:00:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postalias error
In-Reply-To: <C54CC831-A913-11D8-BE14-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200405181642.32985.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<C54CC831-A913-11D8-BE14-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <200405181800.01934.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>


[root at listserv root]# ls -alh /var/mailman/data
total 52K
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4.0K May 18 11:59 .
drwxrwsr-x   19 root     mailman      4.0K May 17 14:40 ..
-rw-r-----    1 mailman  mailman        41 May 18 12:17 adm.pw
-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      4.0K May 18 12:20 aliases
-rw-r-----    1 mailman  mailman       12K May 18 11:59 aliases.db
-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman         5 May 14 11:29 master-qrunner.pid
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman       14K May  5 21:11 sitelist.cfg


POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias'
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap'

That stuff is right.


On Tuesday 18 May 2004 17:38, Dan Phillips wrote:
> On May 18, 2004, at 3:42 PM, Brian York wrote:
> > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
> > /var/mailman/data/aliases
> > (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
>
> Quoting the FAQ:
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp
>
> "The problem is most likely that your permissions are wrong on
> data/aliases and/or data/aliases.db. As README.POSTFIX states:
>
>
>      Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and data/aliases.db
>      file is `mailman' and that the group owner for those files is
>      `mailman'.  E.g.:
>
>      % su
>      % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases*
>
>   You should also ensure that data/aliases and data/aliases.db are group
> writable. E.g.:
>
>
>      % chmod 0664 data/aliases*
>
>   BAW: Note that I think it's also possible to get this error if you
> have Postfix installed in a non-default location, e.g.
> /usr/local/bin/postfix. In that case, be sure the variables
> POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD and POSTFIX_MAP_CMD point to the right paths for the
> respective executables. If not, make the appropriate changes in your
> mm_cfg.py file."
>
>
> Dan



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed May 19 01:51:00 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 01:51:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] membership archive
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.58.0405161726070.9035@mspacman.gpcc.itd.umich.edu>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.58.0405161726070.9035@mspacman.gpcc.itd.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002019bcd0517d4de2@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:30 PM -0400 2004/05/16, carlos h wrote:

>  Hi. I'm trying to archive a list of members in an easy format where I can
>  just cut and paste the 123 + email addresses I have and add them to a new
>  email list system. As of now, I need to click on A, B, C and so on and cut
>  and paste each email address from each alphabetical category. With 123
>  members, that will take a while. Is there a text file with this info that
>  is located somewhere in the systen that I can access?

	If you're subscribed to the list yourself and you allow 
subscribers to see the complete list of recipients, you can send a 
"who listname" command, and get back the information you need. 
You'll need to do a bit of fixup to convert the slightly munged 
"audible at umich.edu" addresses into "audible at umich.edu", but that's 
it.

	Otherwise, you need access to the command-line on the system 
hosting the mailing list.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed May 19 01:48:57 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 01:48:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <BAY12-F85x3176HMnYu0001e8e2@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY12-F85x3176HMnYu0001e8e2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06002018bcd05121386a@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:01 PM +0500 2004/05/18, mehmood hasan wrote:

>  """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>  The original message was received at
>  Tue, 18 May 2004 17:47:36 +0600
>  from [192.168.1.228]
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post cit"
>     (reason: Service unavailable)
>     (expanded from: <cit at uaar.edu.pk>)
>  """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

	This is a problem with your MTA.  You need to fix that, so that 
the aliases will now work.  Instructions for doing this sort of thing 
with various popular MTAs are included with Mailman, in the 
appropriate "README.WHATEVER" files.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed May 19 02:03:28 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 02:03:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] response messages to mailing list
In-Reply-To: <094a01c43c1e$8ca16790$1a01640a@TECRA9100>
References: <094a01c43c1e$8ca16790$1a01640a@TECRA9100>
Message-ID: <p06002000bcd054b055c3@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:50 AM -0400 2004/05/17, Richard Widman wrote:

>  I'm having trouble with the mailing list.  If anyone who receives an
>  email from the list responds, it automatically sends that message to
>  everyone on the list instead of holding it for approval.  How can I
>  turn this off?

	You need to turn on everyone's moderation bit.  The page at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp> 
has useful information.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed May 19 02:05:32 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 02:05:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help, how to copy list members to
 other list
In-Reply-To: <E1BQ0ks-0001S2-Hs@server3.jiffynet.net>
References: <E1BQ0ks-0001S2-Hs@server3.jiffynet.net>
Message-ID: <p06002001bcd054f064b4@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:19 AM -0400 2004/05/18, SaidaOnline.net wrote:

>  I need a way to copy the members from one list to other one
>  I used to copy one page (letter) by one its too hard and take alot of
>  time.
>
>  If it used mysql database I could dump it but I don't know where the
>  data stored.

	It does not use MySQL.  It uses a Python file type called a 
"pickle".  You get this information from the command line via the 
program bin/list_members.  You can also change the number of 
recipients listed per page, or you can use the e-mail interface to 
get a complete list of recipients.

	Search the archives for details.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed May 19 02:09:43 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 02:09:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OutgoingRunner runaway
In-Reply-To: <40A9CDDE.24265.371C3D2@localhost>
References: <20040518041614.GI13518@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	<40A9CDDE.24265.371C3D2@localhost>
Message-ID: <p06002003bcd055faa323@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:48 AM -0600 2004/05/18, Richard B. Pyne wrote:

>  is chewing up all available cpu time. I don't recall seeing this
>  before. Mailman has been running on this machine for over two
>  years.

	This is a known issue with some installations of Mailman 2.1.x. 
So far as I recall, it seems to be a problem mostly with large lists 
and internal Python locking issues or somesuch, but you'd have to 
search the archives for the details.

	I believe that version 2.1.5 was intended to at least partially 
address this issue.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed May 19 02:15:59 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 02:15:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner running away (Mailman 2.0.11)
In-Reply-To: <vpdrad052z2p.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
References: <vpdrad052z2p.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
Message-ID: <p06002005bcd05769f90b@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:41 PM -0400 2004/05/18, Paul Smith wrote:

>  I know this is a really old version, but I'm hoping someone has some
>  hints for me on troubleshooting this: upgrading to 2.1.4 or 2.1.5 is on
>  my TODO list but...

	Problem is, runaway Python processes are something that I believe 
2.1.5 was created to help address.

	I guess you could do a diff on the source code to see what 
changed between 2.1.4 and 2.1.5 and figure out which piece of code 
might be related to the runaway process issue, then back-port those 
changes to your local 2.0.x installation.  But that would be a hell 
of a lot of work.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed May 19 02:17:54 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 02:17:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Sendmail issues
In-Reply-To: <7F1B4B649C11FB4ABAC86C03BAA63DC9025EA9@exchange.sassware.local>
References: <7F1B4B649C11FB4ABAC86C03BAA63DC9025EA9@exchange.sassware.local>
Message-ID: <p06002006bcd057dd1451@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:21 PM -0500 2004/05/18, Mark Sass wrote:

>  My biggest problem is that whenever I send email to one of the aliases
>  created I get this error:
>
>
>  May 18 11:52:32 hostname procmail[32308]: Unknown user
>  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
>  May 18 11:52:32 hostname sendmail[32307]: i4IGqWp32306:
>  to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman", delay=00:00:00,
>  xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30220, dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown

	This is an alias problem.  The alias entries for this list 
haven't been created, or sendmail hasn't been told about the 
additional alias file where these entries exist.

	This stuff should be covered in the README.SENDMAIL file.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed May 19 02:11:41 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 02:11:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postalias error
In-Reply-To: <200405181642.32985.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200405112139.12376.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121501200.15786@sun.iwu.edu>
	<200405181642.32985.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002004bcd05690c649@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:42 PM -0400 2004/05/18, Brian York wrote:

>  I am using postfix, setting things up according to the readme file 
>for postfix
>  in the source code for mailman. When i try to create a list i get the error
>  below.

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp>.

	In the future, you should search the FAQ and the archives of the 
list before posting.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed May 19 02:08:13 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 02:08:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing on freeBSD 5.2 with
 sendmail
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20040518192239.00b1ad50@202.179.0.80>
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20040518192239.00b1ad50@202.179.0.80>
Message-ID: <p06002002bcd055527bb1@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:51 PM +0900 2004/05/18, Tegshjargal.A wrote:

>  I install mailman-2.1.4 from ports of freeBSD 5.2 with sendmail.
>  But didn't work. I can't find directory "smrsh".

	This doesn't have anything to do with Mailman.  Your sendmail 
installation is incomplete -- it's not able to find "smrsh", the 
SendMail Restricted SHell.  You need to fix it or reinstall it.

	However, this is a process that would be specific to your 
particular OS and version, and is not something on which we are 
likely to be able to provide much help.  I suggest you ask for 
assistance on the FreeBSD-related newsgroups and mailing lists.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From afreyvogel at ecmarket.com  Wed May 19 02:27:18 2004
From: afreyvogel at ecmarket.com (Andreas Freyvogel)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:27:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Procmail
In-Reply-To: <20040422173805.GB16188@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: <DCENKNILIJGHAHNAAFFMMEEDDOAA.afreyvogel@ecmarket.com>

Can anyone please tell me if it is possible to use procmail and Mailman
together? If it is, can someone please direct me in the right direction ...
thank you!

-Andreas




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed May 19 02:32:23 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 02:32:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Procmail
In-Reply-To: <DCENKNILIJGHAHNAAFFMMEEDDOAA.afreyvogel@ecmarket.com>
References: <DCENKNILIJGHAHNAAFFMMEEDDOAA.afreyvogel@ecmarket.com>
Message-ID: <p06002008bcd05b46e0f6@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:27 PM -0700 2004/05/18, Andreas Freyvogel wrote:

>  Can anyone please tell me if it is possible to use procmail and Mailman
>  together? If it is, can someone please direct me in the right direction ...
>  thank you!

	Use them together?  In what way?  There's a good deal of feature 
overlap between the two programs, but for different reasons.  What is 
it that you're trying to achieve?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From monty at korrnet.org  Wed May 19 03:24:52 2004
From: monty at korrnet.org (monty)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 21:24:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] content  of host_name
Message-ID: <004501c43d40$16062800$99a54d0c@eh8pu>

I am experimenting with host_name in the General Options.  It seems to
work equally well if I leave off the w3 before the domain name or use
the w3.

Is there some preference for this?  I would prefer to leave the w3 off
so that the posting address on the list info page does not include the
www in the posting address.

Thanks,
Monty





From jwt at onjapan.net  Wed May 19 04:32:05 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:32:05 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem accessing membership management
In-Reply-To: <57F3437A-A8E8-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
References: <57F3437A-A8E8-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
Message-ID: <B81507E2-A93C-11D8-94B7-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>


On May 19, 2004, at 01:28, Con Wieland wrote:

> While running 2.1.4 I get the following when trying to access the 
> Membership Management module from the admin page. This only happens on 
> one list on a server with ~400 lists.
> [...]
>     all = [_m.encode() for _m in mlist.getMembers()]
> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xa0 in position 
> 16: ordinal not in range(128)

It looks like you've got a list subscriber that has an "illegal" 
character in their address (probably from an era when you were using an 
earlier version of Mailman).  You can find pointers on how to correct 
it with 'withlist' in the FAQ:
   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.013.htp



-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From MSass at sassware.com  Wed May 19 04:43:57 2004
From: MSass at sassware.com (Mark Sass)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 21:43:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Sendmail issues
Message-ID: <7F1B4B649C11FB4ABAC86C03BAA63DC9025EAA@exchange.sassware.local>

Brad,
	Thanks for the quick response, and I wish that were true.  Here are the entries copied from my /etc/mail/aliases file which according to my sendmail.cf (O AliasFile=/etc/mail/aliases) should be where to put them:

mailman:              "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
mailman-admin:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
mailman-bounces:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
mailman-confirm:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
mailman-join:         "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
mailman-leave:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
mailman-owner:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
mailman-request:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
mailman-subscribe:    "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"

I appreciate the help, but I have been through this.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be]
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:18 PM
To: Mark Sass
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Sendmail issues


At 5:21 PM -0500 2004/05/18, Mark Sass wrote:

>  My biggest problem is that whenever I send email to one of the aliases
>  created I get this error:
>
>
>  May 18 11:52:32 hostname procmail[32308]: Unknown user
>  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
>  May 18 11:52:32 hostname sendmail[32307]: i4IGqWp32306:
>  to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman", delay=00:00:00,
>  xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30220, dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown

	This is an alias problem.  The alias entries for this list 
haven't been created, or sendmail hasn't been told about the 
additional alias file where these entries exist.

	This stuff should be covered in the README.SENDMAIL file.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Wed May 19 06:05:26 2004
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul Smith)
Date: 19 May 2004 00:05:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner running away (Mailman 2.0.11)
In-Reply-To: <p06002005bcd05769f90b@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <vpdrad052z2p.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p06002005bcd05769f90b@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <vpdrk6z99i49.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

%% Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be> writes:

  bk> At 5:41 PM -0400 2004/05/18, Paul Smith wrote:
  >> I know this is a really old version, but I'm hoping someone has some
  >> hints for me on troubleshooting this: upgrading to 2.1.4 or 2.1.5 is on
  >> my TODO list but...

  bk> Problem is, runaway Python processes are something that I
  bk> believe 2.1.5 was created to help address.

Yeah, I saw that in the announcement.

But, this system was running fine until a few weeks ago.  I don't know
of any real change in its usage patterns and certainly not in its
configuration that would account for this change in behavior.  I was
just wondering whether anyone had any debugging tips, like checking for
messages stuck in the queue that would be causing this problem, or lock
files that might be breaking something, or whatever.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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 "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
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   These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed May 19 11:00:10 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:00:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] content  of host_name
In-Reply-To: <004501c43d40$16062800$99a54d0c@eh8pu>
References: <004501c43d40$16062800$99a54d0c@eh8pu>
Message-ID: <p0600200abcd0d2537cbf@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:24 PM -0400 2004/05/18, monty wrote:

>  Is there some preference for this?  I would prefer to leave the w3 off
>  so that the posting address on the list info page does not include the
>  www in the posting address.

	Mailman doesn't care.  Your web server might care, depending on 
how the virtual host configuration is set.  Your mail server might 
care, depending on how it is configured.

	But as far as Mailman is concerned, you should put whatever you 
want there and it will be used as you supply it.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed May 19 11:07:11 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:07:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner running away (Mailman 2.0.11)
In-Reply-To: <vpdrk6z99i49.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
References: <vpdrad052z2p.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p06002005bcd05769f90b@[10.0.1.3]>
	<vpdrk6z99i49.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200bbcd0d2ba9505@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:05 AM -0400 2004/05/19, Paul Smith wrote:

>                                                                 I was
>  just wondering whether anyone had any debugging tips, like checking for
>  messages stuck in the queue that would be causing this problem, or lock
>  files that might be breaking something, or whatever.

	So far as I know, Mailman doesn't have any support for doing any 
kind of debugging for problems like this.  There's list lock 
debugging that you can turn on, and pending lock debugging, but that 
seems to be about it:

# Set this to On to turn on MailList object lock debugging messages, which
# will be written to logs/locks.  If you think you're having lock problems, or
# just want to tune the locks for your system, turn on lock debugging.
LIST_LOCK_DEBUGGING = Off

# Set this to On to turn on lock debugging messages for the pending requests
# database, which will be written to logs/locks.  If you think you're having
# lock problems, or just want to tune the locks for your system, turn on lock
# debugging.
PENDINGDB_LOCK_DEBUGGING = Off


	From what I can gather, Python doesn't have a great deal of 
support in this area, either.  I guess that's why this bug has 
persisted long enough to have only been fixed very recently with 
2.1.5.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From marina at mailbox.co.uk  Wed May 19 11:31:52 2004
From: marina at mailbox.co.uk (Marina)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:31:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responder to "Request"
References: <01dc01c43b46$ba4bdd20$0300000a@Default>
	<01685E29-A7F0-11D8-91FE-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <00b701c43d84$25aae270$0300000a@Default>

Apologies for my delayed reply. Thank you for your reply which is much
appreciatied, it now works as it should, via "Yes, w/discard".

I don't know why it didn't work the first time I tried it and, no, I hadn't
touched the rate limiting, but it works fine now.

Marina


On Monday, May 17, 2004 11:50 AM [UK Time],
Jim Tittsler wrote:

| > If I choose "Yes, w/discard" and I enter my own text, it sends nothing.
| > How do I get it to send my text without the canned response?
|
| It should be doing it when you set it to Yes, w/discard.
|
| Are you sure you are not being confused in your testing by the rate
| limiting on auto-responses to a given email address?




From relson at osagesoftware.com  Wed May 19 13:12:54 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 07:12:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Procmail
In-Reply-To: <DCENKNILIJGHAHNAAFFMMEEDDOAA.afreyvogel@ecmarket.com>
References: <20040422173805.GB16188@allhats.xcski.com>
	<DCENKNILIJGHAHNAAFFMMEEDDOAA.afreyvogel@ecmarket.com>
Message-ID: <20040519071254.6953fbb5@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Tue, 18 May 2004 17:27:18 -0700
Andreas Freyvogel wrote:

> Can anyone please tell me if it is possible to use procmail and
> Mailman together? If it is, can someone please direct me in the right
> direction ... thank you!
> 
> -Andreas

Hi Andreas,

I'm using postfix+procmail+mailman.  AFAICT, procmail and mailman are
independent.  I had postfix+procmail running for a long time before I
needed mailman.  Adding mailman involved changing postfix's config files
so it would know where mailman stores list ids, i.e. list at domain.com,
list-subscribe at domain.com, list-unsubscribe at domain.com, etc, and so that
mailman would know the MTA is postfix.  My procmail recipes didn't get
changed at all.

Hope this helps!

David



From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Wed May 19 13:49:07 2004
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 07:49:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem accessing membership management
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405190743270.32180@seyyav.pair.com>


>While running 2.1.4 I get the following when trying to access the
>Membership Management module from the admin page. This only happens on
>one list on a server with ~400 lists.
>
>ideas?
>Con Wieland
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 198, in main
>     show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 501, in
>show_results
>     form.AddItem(membership_options(mlist, subcat, cgidata, doc, form))
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 873, in
>membership_options
>     all = [_m.encode() for _m in mlist.getMembers()]
>UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xa0 in position
>16: ordinal not in range(128)

Sounds like there are addresses subscribed with non-ascii characters.  Run
~mailman/bin/list_members -i to get a list of invalid addresses.  Also
running ~mailman/bin/find_member -l listname "[^\w\-+ at .%]" > badaddresses
will turn up some bad addresses.  The regular expressions("[^\w\-+ at .%]")
may need to be tweaked a little.

Sean



From marina at mailbox.co.uk  Wed May 19 14:58:53 2004
From: marina at mailbox.co.uk (Marina)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:58:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responder to "Request"
References: <01dc01c43b46$ba4bdd20$0300000a@Default><01685E29-A7F0-11D8-91FE-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>
	<00b701c43d84$25aae270$0300000a@Default>
Message-ID: <02a301c43da1$10870690$0300000a@Default>

Ah... Although it now works, it also now seems to prevent messages sent to
the "-join" and "-leave" addresses from getting any messages other than the
auto-responder text I've entered. In other words, it seems to ignore emails
sent to the "-join" and "-leave" address (possibly others, but I haven't
tested it). And that's with the rate limiting set to 0.

I don't really want people to use the "-request" address other than for
receiving the text I'd input into the auto-responder. I want people to be
able to join and leave using "-join" and "-leave" and to receive my text
(not the canned Mailman text) if they should write to "-request".  Is there
any way of doing this please, as I'm now getting somewhat confused over it
(and possibly consequently missing the obvious)...

(I have checked the Admin Manual and the FAQ, but I'm afraid I can't find an
answer...)

Many TIA,
Marina
--------
Newbie - v.2.1.3 - via CPanel, no shell access



On Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:31 AM [UK Time],
Marina wrote:

| Apologies for my delayed reply. Thank you for your reply which is much
| appreciatied, it now works as it should, via "Yes, w/discard".

On Sunday, May 16, 2004 2:06 PM [UK Time],
Marina wrote:

| I'm not sure I fully understand how the auto-responder system works. For
| instance, "Should Mailman send an auto-response to emails sent to
| the -request address? If you choose yes, decide whether you want Mailman
| to discard the original email, or forward it on to the system as a normal
| mail command."
|
| If I choose "No" (with or without my own text) and someone sends a message
| to listname-request, with "help" in the subject line, they still get an
| auto-response with a load of email commands that will be totally
| meaningless and confusing to the majority of them.
|
| If I choose "Yes, w/forward" and I enter my own text, it sends both the
| canned response and my text as separate emails.
|
| If I choose "Yes, w/discard" and I enter my own text, it sends nothing.
|
| How do I get it to send my text without the canned response?





From jwt at onjapan.net  Wed May 19 15:54:20 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:54:20 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responder to "Request"
In-Reply-To: <02a301c43da1$10870690$0300000a@Default>
References: <01dc01c43b46$ba4bdd20$0300000a@Default><01685E29-A7F0-11D8-91FE-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>
	<00b701c43d84$25aae270$0300000a@Default>
	<02a301c43da1$10870690$0300000a@Default>
Message-ID: <06BE689A-A99C-11D8-899F-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On May 19, 2004, at 21:58, Marina wrote:

> Ah... Although it now works, it also now seems to prevent messages 
> sent to
> the "-join" and "-leave" addresses from getting any messages other 
> than the
> auto-responder text I've entered. In other words, it seems to ignore 
> emails
> sent to the "-join" and "-leave" address (possibly others, but I 
> haven't
> tested it). And that's with the rate limiting set to 0.

That is what is meant by 'discard'.  The -request message is discarded 
after sending the customized response message.

> I don't really want people to use the "-request" address other than for
> receiving the text I'd input into the auto-responder. I want people to 
> be
> able to join and leave using "-join" and "-leave" and to receive my 
> text
> (not the canned Mailman text) if they should write to "-request".  Is 
> there
> any way of doing this please, as I'm now getting somewhat confused 
> over it
> (and possibly consequently missing the obvious)...

I don't think so without modifying Mailman.  If you had filesystem 
access, you could edit the ~/templates/**/*.txt files, (but those are 
common to all the lists run by that Mailman instance unless you change 
how the cmd_*.py files build their responses.).

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From bescher at rsegroup.com  Wed May 19 16:03:24 2004
From: bescher at rsegroup.com (Bob Escher)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:03:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and xmail
Message-ID: <002901c43daa$0d874500$43c12145@rsegroup.com>

I just set up mailman and am pretty new
to all three Linux, mailman and I use
xmail as my mail server.
When I create a new list it asks
if I want to send a message to the list owner/administrator
I tell it yes but it doesn't go anywhere.
Where in mailman (other then in the mm-cfg.py
file do I tell it where or what the mail server is


Thanks and a lot of questions thiscoming this
way

Bob Escher




From marina at mailbox.co.uk  Wed May 19 17:05:36 2004
From: marina at mailbox.co.uk (Marina)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:05:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responder to "Request"
References: <01dc01c43b46$ba4bdd20$0300000a@Default><01685E29-A7F0-11D8-91FE-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net><00b701c43d84$25aae270$0300000a@Default><02a301c43da1$10870690$0300000a@Default>
	<06BE689A-A99C-11D8-899F-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <045e01c43db2$cbfac9a0$0300000a@Default>

Many thanks for your prompt reply. OK, I think I've understood it now :-).

I don't have filesystem access... So my only other solution, it would seem,
is to set the auto-responder to "Yes w/forward" and then make an additional
note within my customised message to say that the auto-response goes out to
all -request emails.

Marina


On Wednesday, May 19, 2004 2:54 PM [UK Time],
Jim Tittsler wrote:

| That is what is meant by 'discard'.  The -request message is discarded
| after sending the customized response message.
|
| I don't think so without modifying Mailman.  If you had filesystem
| access,




From bartek at cq-link.sr  Wed May 19 19:11:21 2004
From: bartek at cq-link.sr (Bartosz Jozwiak)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:11:21 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with MailMan Help
Message-ID: <03a001c43dc4$4e966520$d724b242@sitedomain.local>

Hello,

I have just installed MailMan and I am expriancing some problems.
Can somebody help me ?

bartek:/usr/local/mailman/bin# ./genaliases
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./genaliases", line 116, in ?
    main()
  File "./genaliases", line 106, in main
    MTA.create(mlist, nolock=True, quiet=quiet)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 229, in create
    _do_create(mlist, ALIASFILE, _addlist)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 213, in _do_create
    func(mlist, fp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 84, in _addlist
    loopaddr = Utils.ParseEmail(Utils.get_site_email(extra='loop'))[0]
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 647, in get_site_email
    hostname = mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.get(get_domain(), get_domain())
AttributeError: get

Thank you in advance!

bartek




From dbl at tentra.com  Wed May 19 21:22:45 2004
From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:22:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group mismatch error
Message-ID: <1084994564.9893.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I am getting the following error message but my mail server (Postfix) is
not set up as group "apache". Anybody have an idea why I am getting this
error message?


This is the Postfix program at host 'my.mail.host.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

                        The Postfix program

<mb_two-request at my.mail.host.com>: Command died with status 2:
    "/var/mailman/mail/mailman request mb_two". Command output: Group
mismatch
    error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as
one of
    the following groups: [mail, nobody, mailman], but the system's mail
server
    executed the mail script as group: "apache". Try tweaking the mail
server
    to run the script as one of these groups: [mail, nobody, mailman],
or
    re-run configure providing the command line option:
    '--with-mail-gid=apache'.



Thanks,

David




From relson at osagesoftware.com  Wed May 19 22:29:41 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:29:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group mismatch error
In-Reply-To: <1084994564.9893.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1084994564.9893.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040519162941.23746472@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Wed, 19 May 2004 14:22:45 -0500
David Blomquist wrote:

> I am getting the following error message but my mail server (Postfix)
> is not set up as group "apache". Anybody have an idea why I am getting
> this error message?
> 
> 
> This is the Postfix program at host 'my.mail.host.
> 
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
> below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
> 
> For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>
> 
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the message returned below.
> 
>                         The Postfix program
> 
> <mb_two-request at my.mail.host.com>: Command died with status 2:
>     "/var/mailman/mail/mailman request mb_two". Command output: Group
> mismatch
>     error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as
> one of
>     the following groups: [mail, nobody, mailman], but the system's
>     mail
> server
>     executed the mail script as group: "apache". Try tweaking the mail
> server
>     to run the script as one of these groups: [mail, nobody, mailman],
> or
>     re-run configure providing the command line option:
>     '--with-mail-gid=apache'.

Sounds familiar!  Check the ownership of the aliases file, i.e.
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.  If recollection serves, postfix sets the
gid to match that file when it invokes mailman.

HTH,

David



From dbl at tentra.com  Wed May 19 23:51:57 2004
From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:51:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group mismatch error
In-Reply-To: <20040519162941.23746472@osage.osagesoftware.com>
References: <1084994564.9893.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040519162941.23746472@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1085003517.10794.78.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 15:29, David Relson wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2004 14:22:45 -0500
> David Blomquist wrote:
> 
> > I am getting the following error message but my mail server (Postfix)
> > is not set up as group "apache". Anybody have an idea why I am getting
> > this error message?
> > 
> > 
> > This is the Postfix program at host 'my.mail.host.
> > 
> > I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
> > below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
> > 
> > For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>
> > 
> > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> > delete your own text from the message returned below.
> > 
> >                         The Postfix program
> > 
> > <mb_two-request at my.mail.host.com>: Command died with status 2:
> >     "/var/mailman/mail/mailman request mb_two". Command output: Group
> > mismatch
> >     error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as
> > one of
> >     the following groups: [mail, nobody, mailman], but the system's
> >     mail
> > server
> >     executed the mail script as group: "apache". Try tweaking the mail
> > server
> >     to run the script as one of these groups: [mail, nobody, mailman],
> > or
> >     re-run configure providing the command line option:
> >     '--with-mail-gid=apache'.
> 
> Sounds familiar!  Check the ownership of the aliases file, i.e.
> /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.  If recollection serves, postfix sets the
> gid to match that file when it invokes mailman.
> 

I checked the ownership of the alias file and it was apache.mailman. I
changed it to mailman.mailman (I assume this is correct) and the error
stopped. I am still wondering how it got to be apache.mailman in the
first place, though.

Many thanks!

David
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Thu May 20 00:22:37 2004
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul Smith)
Date: 19 May 2004 18:22:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner running away (Mailman 2.0.11)
In-Reply-To: <p0600200bbcd0d2ba9505@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <vpdrad052z2p.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p06002005bcd05769f90b@[10.0.1.3]>
	<vpdrk6z99i49.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p0600200bbcd0d2ba9505@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <vpdrhduc3vma.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

Poking at this a bit more I have more data.

It seems like whenever mail is sent to one list in particular, the
qrunner script hangs up for a very long time processing that mail.  I
think it's that list because I see the lock for that list existing for a
long time with the same pid in the locks directory.


Looking at the truss of this (unfortunately I don't have the start, only
from the middle on) it seems like it's freaking out writing a huge file.
First it has a huge list of break()'s, interspersed with a few mmap()'s,
then it does a bunch of writes in 8K blocks, then it does some cleanup
on the lock files and ends.

Then it does it again for the next message to that list.

The mbox file for this list is about 100M, this month's .txt archive
file is about 32M, and this month's .gz file is about 3M.

I tried stopping qrunner and renaming the .mbox file, but it still has
the same problem so that evidently wasn't it.

If this sounds familiar to anyone, let me know...


In the background I'm working on 2.1.5 but I'd _REALLY_ prefer to not
have an emergency upgrade situation... on the other hand some users are
talking about switching to Exchange lists so it _IS_ something of an
emergency :).  I want to upgrade Python as well since our version is
2.2.1 which is pretty old.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul D. Smith <psmith at nortelnetworks.com>   HASMAT--HA Software Mthds & Tools
 "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Thu May 20 00:38:14 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 18:38:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group mismatch error
In-Reply-To: <1085003517.10794.78.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1084994564.9893.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040519162941.23746472@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<1085003517.10794.78.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040519183814.5d5f59e6@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:51:57 -0500
David Blomquist wrote:

> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 15:29, David Relson wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 May 2004 14:22:45 -0500
> > David Blomquist wrote:
> > 
> > > I am getting the following error message but my mail server
> > > (Postfix) is not set up as group "apache". Anybody have an idea
> > > why I am getting this error message?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This is the Postfix program at host 'my.mail.host.
> > > 
> > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
> > > below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
> > > 
> > > For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>
> > > 
> > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> > > delete your own text from the message returned below.
> > > 
> > >                         The Postfix program
> > > 
> > > <mb_two-request at my.mail.host.com>: Command died with status 2:
> > >     "/var/mailman/mail/mailman request mb_two". Command output:
> > >     Group
> > > mismatch
> > >     error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed
> > >     as
> > > one of
> > >     the following groups: [mail, nobody, mailman], but the
> > >     system's mail
> > > server
> > >     executed the mail script as group: "apache". Try tweaking the
> > >     mail
> > > server
> > >     to run the script as one of these groups: [mail, nobody,
> > >     mailman],
> > > or
> > >     re-run configure providing the command line option:
> > >     '--with-mail-gid=apache'.
> > 
> > Sounds familiar!  Check the ownership of the aliases file, i.e.
> > /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.  If recollection serves, postfix sets
> > the gid to match that file when it invokes mailman.
> > 
> 
> I checked the ownership of the alias file and it was apache.mailman. I
> changed it to mailman.mailman (I assume this is correct) and the error
> stopped. I am still wondering how it got to be apache.mailman in the
> first place, though.
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
> David

David,

Glad to help.  I'm still a mailman newbie.  I started climbing the
learning curve a month or so back and some of the lessons are still
fresh in my mind. Passing on what I've learned is the least I can do :-)

Regards,

David



From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Thu May 20 01:14:53 2004
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul Smith)
Date: 19 May 2004 19:14:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner running away (Mailman 2.0.11)
In-Reply-To: <vpdrhduc3vma.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
References: <vpdrad052z2p.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p06002005bcd05769f90b@[10.0.1.3]>
	<vpdrk6z99i49.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p0600200bbcd0d2ba9505@[10.0.1.3]>
	<vpdrhduc3vma.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
Message-ID: <vpdrbrkk3t76.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

OK, after more poking and prodding, it looks like the problem is related
to the private/<list>/database directory.

The "article" file here for the list that was causing the problems was
44M, the author was 51K, date was 41K, subject was 55K, and thread was
42k.


I moved all those files aside and ran qrunner, and it didn't pause there
at all, although it has paused for lesser amounts of time in other (also
larger) lists.

I guess that the size of this list is simply overwhelming the pipermail
archiver.  Is there anything I can do about this short of disabling
archives?  Can I update the archives less often, or do it with a
separate process somehow so that at least my mail keeps flowing even
while the archive is being updated?

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul D. Smith <psmith at nortelnetworks.com>   HASMAT--HA Software Mthds & Tools
 "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.



From cwieland at uci.edu  Thu May 20 02:37:58 2004
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 17:37:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] corrupted subscribers file
Message-ID: <F160187B-A9F5-11D8-B7AC-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>

I recently update to 2.1.4 and several of my subscribers files are 
corrupt. They show email addresses with a ? at the end. The members 
page will not display and the remove_members command will not remove 
them. I've tried quoting them also with no luck.

Any ideas on how to remove them? Even trying to remove the entire 
subscribers file does not work (remove_members -a).

Con Wieland




From ARaacing at aol.com  Thu May 20 03:20:14 2004
From: ARaacing at aol.com (ARaacing at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 21:20:14 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying Email Text and other pages.
Message-ID: <85.c468854.2ddd61ce@aol.com>

How do you access and modify the text that is sent out to list members? I 
know that a small amount of it can can be accessed from the website interface, 
but it is extremely limited.

Also, is it possible to customize the other pages created by Mailman such as 
the confirm subscription request page, member option page, subscription 
request confirmed page, etc.

Also, I cannot get the msg_header (prepended) or msg_footer (appended) text 
to show up in my list emails. Any solutions?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

Thank you in advance,
Michael Johnson (Mailman novice)


From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Thu May 20 07:09:20 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 01:09:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail disappears
Message-ID: <200405200109.20705.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

MTA-postfix

I send a message to the list it puts it in the archive and then it never gets 
sent out to the members of the list. There is no errors or anything. What am 
i doing wrong.

Thanks
Brian



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu May 20 07:28:55 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 06:28:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner running away (Mailman 2.0.11)
In-Reply-To: <vpdrbrkk3t76.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
References: <vpdrad052z2p.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p06002005bcd05769f90b@[10.0.1.3]>
	<vpdrk6z99i49.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p0600200bbcd0d2ba9505@[10.0.1.3]>
	<vpdrhduc3vma.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<vpdrbrkk3t76.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
Message-ID: <965E4564-AA1E-11D8-9B1A-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 20 May 2004, at 00:14, Paul Smith wrote:

> OK, after more poking and prodding, it looks like the problem is  
> related
> to the private/<list>/database directory.
>
> The "article" file here for the list that was causing the problems was
> 44M, the author was 51K, date was 41K, subject was 55K, and thread was
> 42k.
>
>
> I moved all those files aside and ran qrunner, and it didn't pause  
> there
> at all, although it has paused for lesser amounts of time in other  
> (also
> larger) lists.
>
> I guess that the size of this list is simply overwhelming the pipermail
> archiver.  Is there anything I can do about this short of disabling
> archives?  Can I update the archives less often, or do it with a
> separate process somehow so that at least my mail keeps flowing even
> while the archive is being updated?
>

 From the dim and distant past I recollect that reducing the archive  
period from say a month to a week for lists that were challenged in  
this way could help.

Also, the following link is to a patch that was incorporated into MM  
2.1.4 and which addressed an archiving problem which first glance  
suggests you may be experiencing. I suspect it is applicable with  
modification to the MM 2.0.11 code base but it would probably be much  
easier to do the upgrade to 2.1.5:

http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/835332/index.html

> --  
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --------
>  Paul D. Smith <psmith at nortelnetworks.com>   HASMAT--HA Software Mthds  
> & Tools
>  "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad  
> Scientist
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --------
>    These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for  
> them.




From stephen at xemacs.org  Thu May 20 11:50:02 2004
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:50:02 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Sendmail issues
In-Reply-To: <7F1B4B649C11FB4ABAC86C03BAA63DC9025EAA@exchange.sassware.local>
	(Mark Sass's message of "Tue, 18 May 2004 21:43:57 -0500")
References: <7F1B4B649C11FB4ABAC86C03BAA63DC9025EAA@exchange.sassware.local>
Message-ID: <87y8nnctrp.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Sass <MSass at sassware.com> writes:

    Mark> mailman:              "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"

and the error message indicates that sendmail picked up the config
properly, too.  So the only thing I can think of is that
/var/mailman/mail/mailman doesn't exist (seems like a strange place to
put an executable) or doesn't have the right permissions to be run.

It seems weird that it would consider the pipe to be a "user", but
that could just be sendmail's way of saying there was an error
executing the program.

-- 
Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences     http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 20 13:08:00 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:08:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying Email Text and other pages.
In-Reply-To: <85.c468854.2ddd61ce@aol.com>
References: <85.c468854.2ddd61ce@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06002008bcd241bb8991@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:20 PM -0400 2004/05/19, ARaacing at aol.com wrote:

>  How do you access and modify the text that is sent out to list members? I
>  know that a small amount of it can can be accessed from the website 
>interface,
>  but it is extremely limited.

	Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard page at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and search for "template". 
Read all seven hits that come back.

>  Also, is it possible to customize the other pages created by Mailman such as
>  the confirm subscription request page, member option page, subscription
>  request confirmed page, etc.

	Yup.  See above.

>  Also, I cannot get the msg_header (prepended) or msg_footer (appended) text
>  to show up in my list emails. Any solutions?

	Have you got list personalization turned on?  Try searching for 
"personalization" at the same URL.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 20 13:08:26 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:08:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail disappears
In-Reply-To: <200405200109.20705.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200405200109.20705.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002009bcd242199fb6@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:09 AM -0400 2004/05/20, Brian York wrote:

>  I send a message to the list it puts it in the archive and then it never gets
>  sent out to the members of the list. There is no errors or anything. What am
>  i doing wrong.

	Look in your logs to see what appears to be happening.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From bartek at cq-link.sr  Thu May 20 13:23:51 2004
From: bartek at cq-link.sr (Bartosz Jozwiak)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 08:23:51 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated mailing list not working...
Message-ID: <047901c43e5c$edca54b0$d724b242@sitedomain.local>

Moderated option does not want to work.
When I am sending e-mail to moderated mailing list I do not get pending
requests,
and the mail is gone. I error log file i see that message below:
Am I doing something worong ?

May 19 22:47:49 2004 (31875) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in
_dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in
_dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Moderate.py", line 67, in
process
    ModeratedMemberPost)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 214, in
hold_for_approval
    id = mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 180, in HoldMessage
    id = self.__nextid()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 113, in __nextid
    while True:
NameError: global name 'True' is not defined

Bartek




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 20 14:17:35 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:17:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated mailing list not working...
In-Reply-To: <047901c43e5c$edca54b0$d724b242@sitedomain.local>
References: <047901c43e5c$edca54b0$d724b242@sitedomain.local>
Message-ID: <p0600200abcd251e3537e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:23 AM -0300 2004/05/20, Bartosz Jozwiak wrote:

>  Moderated option does not want to work.
>  When I am sending e-mail to moderated mailing list I do not get pending
>  requests,
>  and the mail is gone. I error log file i see that message below:
>  Am I doing something worong ?

	From the "NameError: global name 'True' is not defined" error at 
the bottom, I have to wonder what version of Mailman you have 
installed, and what version of Python you are using.  If you search 
the archives, you will see that some older versions of Python 
apparently don't have "True" predefined, which can cause problems 
with newer versions of Mailman.

	Try installing the latest version of Python.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 20 14:33:14 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:33:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner running away (Mailman 2.0.11)
In-Reply-To: <965E4564-AA1E-11D8-9B1A-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <vpdrad052z2p.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p06002005bcd05769f90b@[10.0.1.3]>
	<vpdrk6z99i49.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p0600200bbcd0d2ba9505@[10.0.1.3]>
	<vpdrhduc3vma.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<vpdrbrkk3t76.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<965E4564-AA1E-11D8-9B1A-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p0600200bbcd255b83934@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:28 AM +0100 2004/05/20, Richard Barrett wrote:

>  From the dim and distant past I recollect that reducing the archive
>  period from say a month to a week for lists that were challenged in
>  this way could help.

	ISTR that this issue has come up a few times on the list, so I've 
put this into the FAQ at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.041.htp>. 
I have also referenced this thread, so that people can get the links 
to the patch, etc....

	Please let me know if there are any further changes that may be required.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 20 14:49:52 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:49:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated mailing list not working...
In-Reply-To: <p0600200abcd251e3537e@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <047901c43e5c$edca54b0$d724b242@sitedomain.local>
	<p0600200abcd251e3537e@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <p0600200dbcd259ac26a3@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:17 PM +0200 2004/05/20, Brad Knowles wrote:

>  	From the "NameError: global name 'True' is not defined" error at the
>  bottom, I have to wonder what version of Mailman you have installed, and
>  what version of Python you are using.  If you search the archives, you
>  will see that some older versions of Python apparently don't have
>  "True" predefined, which can cause problems with newer versions of
>  Mailman.

	Actually, I decided to go ahead and put this issue into the FAQ. 
See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.042.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From bartek at cq-link.sr  Thu May 20 14:55:19 2004
From: bartek at cq-link.sr (Bartosz Jozwiak)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:55:19 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated mailing list not working...
References: <047901c43e5c$edca54b0$d724b242@sitedomain.local>
	<p0600200abcd251e3537e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<p0600200dbcd259ac26a3@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <055001c43e69$b4cf9e10$d724b242@sitedomain.local>

Thank you for help.
I updated Python and it seems working now.

Bartek


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Knowles" <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
To: <barry at python.org>
Cc: "Bartosz Jozwiak" <bartek at cq-link.sr>; <mailman-users at python.org>;
<mailman-developers at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated mailing list not working...


> At 2:17 PM +0200 2004/05/20, Brad Knowles wrote:
>
> >  From the "NameError: global name 'True' is not defined" error at the
> >  bottom, I have to wonder what version of Mailman you have installed,
and
> >  what version of Python you are using.  If you search the archives, you
> >  will see that some older versions of Python apparently don't have
> >  "True" predefined, which can cause problems with newer versions of
> >  Mailman.
>
> Actually, I decided to go ahead and put this issue into the FAQ.
> See
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.042.htp>.
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>




From andrew at awarez.net  Thu May 20 16:21:15 2004
From: andrew at awarez.net (Andrew Hill)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:21:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI Error: Failure to find group name
Message-ID: <F4825325CCAAFA42917E416702EBC09ABCD0DE@ex-be1.exchange.datagate.net>

Hi all,

This question is asked several times in the archives, but I'm yet to
find the answer.

What do you do when you've installed Mailman, but accessing the CGI
pages with a web browser gives the error message:

  Failure to find group name nobody.  Try adding this group
  to your system, or re-run configure, providing an
  existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid.

Mailman was configured like this:

  ./configure \
     --with-mail-gid=postfix \
      --with-cgi-gid=nobody \
      --with-mailhost=xxx.xxx.xxx \
      --with-urlhost=xxx.xxx.xxx

And I'm pretty sure that the group "nobody" exists:

  # pw group show nobody
  nobody:*:65534:

So, why can't Mailman find the group?

TIA!

--
Andrew Hill
andrew at awarez.net




From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Thu May 20 17:31:03 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:31:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail disappears
In-Reply-To: <p06002009bcd242199fb6@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <200405200109.20705.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<p06002009bcd242199fb6@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <200405201131.03699.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

I reinstalled mailman and now i am getting this in smtp-failure log for all 
users. Sent to 3 different mail servers (2 local and yahoo)

What does pleas run connect() first mean?


May 20 11:25:04 2004 (24974) delivery to brian at brianyork.net failed with code 
-1: please run connect() first
May 20 11:25:04 2004 (24974) Low level smtp error: (111, 'Connection 
refused'), msgid: <mailman.0.1085065834.24790.mailman at listserv.nku.edu>
May 20 11:25:04 2004 (24974) delivery to yorkb at exchange.nku.edu failed with 
code -1: (111, 'Connection refused')
May 20 11:25:04 2004 (24974) Low level smtp error: (111, 'Connection 
refused'), msgid: <200405201121.34449.yorkb at exchange.nku.edu>
May 20 11:25:04 2004 (24974) Low level smtp error: please run connect() first, 
msgid: <200405201121.34449.yorkb at exchange.nku.edu>
May 20 11:25:04 2004 (24974) delivery to yorkb at nku.edu failed with code -1: 
(111, 'Connection refused')
May 20 11:25:04 2004 (24974) delivery to yorkb at exchange.nku.edu failed with 
code -1: (111, 'Connection refused')
May 20 11:25:04 2004 (24974) delivery to brian at brianyork.net failed with code 
-1: please run connect() first


Thanks
Brian

On Thursday 20 May 2004 07:08, you wrote:
> At 1:09 AM -0400 2004/05/20, Brian York wrote:
> >  I send a message to the list it puts it in the archive and then it never
> > gets sent out to the members of the list. There is no errors or anything.
> > What am i doing wrong.
>
> 	Look in your logs to see what appears to be happening.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 20 14:49:52 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:49:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated mailing list not
	working...
In-Reply-To: <p0600200abcd251e3537e@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <047901c43e5c$edca54b0$d724b242@sitedomain.local>
	<p0600200abcd251e3537e@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <p0600200dbcd259ac26a3@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:17 PM +0200 2004/05/20, Brad Knowles wrote:

>  	From the "NameError: global name 'True' is not defined" error at the
>  bottom, I have to wonder what version of Mailman you have installed, and
>  what version of Python you are using.  If you search the archives, you
>  will see that some older versions of Python apparently don't have
>  "True" predefined, which can cause problems with newer versions of
>  Mailman.

	Actually, I decided to go ahead and put this issue into the FAQ. 
See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.042.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.

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From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Thu May 20 19:55:38 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:55:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors using DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Postfix'
Message-ID: <200405201355.38831.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

Whe i set DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Postfix' i get the following error repeated 
several times on the console.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 217, in main
    qrunner = make_qrunner(*runners[0])
  File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 123, in make_qrunner
    qrunner = qrclass(slice, range)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 57, in __init__
    mod = __import__(modname)
ImportError: No module named Postfix
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What is missing or what is wrong?
I can send to the list and stuff gets posted but messages don't get sent out. 
I have been trying with DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' but that didn't work 
so since i'm using postfix i decided that would be another option. But i get 
the above error when i start mailmanctl.

mm_cfg.py - http://listserv.nku.edu/mm_cfg
mailman smtp log - http://listserv.nku.edu/smtp
mailman smtp-failure log - http://listserv.nku.edu/smtp-failure
maillog - http://listserv.nku.edu/maillog

Thanks
Brian York



From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Thu May 20 20:14:19 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:14:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing users to topics
Message-ID: <40ACF57B.8040302@state.or.us>

Is there a way to subscribe list subscriber to various topics? I have 
set up the topics, but I don't want to require subscribers to subscribe 
themselves. Is there a command line process for doing this?

-- 
Christopher Adams







From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu May 20 20:16:07 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:16:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors using DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Postfix'
In-Reply-To: <200405201355.38831.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200405201355.38831.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <20040520181607.GB3244@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Brian York wrote:
> Whe i set DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Postfix' i get the following error repeated 
> several times on the console.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 217, in main
>     qrunner = make_qrunner(*runners[0])
>   File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 123, in make_qrunner
>     qrunner = qrclass(slice, range)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 57, in __init__
>     mod = __import__(modname)
> ImportError: No module named Postfix
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> What is missing or what is wrong?

There is no module named Postfix for use as DELIVERY_MODULE.  The
comments in Defaults.py say this for the DELIVERY_MODULE setting:

    # Final delivery module for outgoing mail.  This handler is used
    # for message delivery to the list via the smtpd, and to an
    # individual user.  This value must be a string naming a module in
    # the Mailman.Handlers package.

Looking in Mailman/Handlers there is no Postfix module, thus, the
error.

> I can send to the list and stuff gets posted but messages don't get
> sent out.  I have been trying with DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
> but that didn't work so since i'm using postfix i decided that would
> be another option.

Any particular reason you figured that would be an option?

If SMTPDirect isn't working, you should go through the steps in FAQ
3.14 and read README.POSTFIX.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by
stupidity.
    -- Hanlon's Razor

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From contact at tedvieira.com  Thu May 20 22:00:43 2004
From: contact at tedvieira.com (Ted Vieira)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:00:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman be used as a Newsletter Mailing List?
Message-ID: <BCD25C7A.2CABF%contact@tedvieira.com>

I'd like to set up a mailinglist that would only be for the purpose of
sending out a monthly newsletter. I don't want the subscribers to use the
list to send messages, I only want them to subscribe so that they can get
the monthly newsletter.

Are there settings I can change in Mailman so that the subscribers can only
receive, but not send messages to the list?

Thanks very much,

Ted Vieira


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From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Thu May 20 22:14:29 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd Tennison)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:14:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman be used as a Newsletter Mailing List?
Message-ID: <PC1670200405201314290318e7a0ae5b@main>

Yes, see:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

and double-check the FAQ's and documentation found at http://www.list.org for answers.

>
>I'd like to set up a mailinglist that would only be for the purpose of
>sending out a monthly newsletter. I don't want the subscribers to use the
>list to send messages, I only want them to subscribe so that they can get
>the monthly newsletter.
>
>Are there settings I can change in Mailman so that the subscribers can only
>receive, but not send messages to the list?
>
>Thanks very much,
>
>Ted Vieira
>
>




From carter at drum.ncat.edu  Thu May 20 22:26:15 2004
From: carter at drum.ncat.edu (Carter Bing)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:26:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for clear and precise documentation for
	installation and configuration
In-Reply-To: <40A9CDDE.24265.371C3D2@localhost>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFpPq68QtukKPtiCsQuteFcKAAAAQAAAAarCCrwg4JE+Mm+61dmMrkwEAAAAA@drum.ncat.edu>

Greetings,

I have managed to find the well laid out websites for Mailman but apparently
all the documentation assumes that you already have the software installed
correctly and working. I am looking for clear documentation on how to
install the package, how to configure it to run with apache, and how to
configure it to deliver mail.

I have looked at the FAQ and documentation on the list.org site but I
haven't been able to find the correct instructions on how to set it up. I am
currently using Macjordomo which runs on a Mac and would like to move my
lists to mailman.

Thanks,

Carter 






From tmp001 at frogleg.net  Thu May 20 22:26:51 2004
From: tmp001 at frogleg.net (Holger Stephan)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:26:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mails only processed after approval
Message-ID: <1085084811.7580.54.camel@halo.glassword.com>

Hi,

I've set up Mailman on SuSE 9 with Postfix. Following the Postfix readme
I've added the suggested settings to main.cf and the entry in
alias_maps. The aliases were created correctly (I think) by the web
interface, and postmap was also called (I see the aliases.db). 

However, messages are only delivered if they come from a non-subscriber
after approval by the administrator. Even after the administrator
allowed the non-subscriber to post permanently these messages are
delivered fine. Messages to *-request and messages from subscribers are
ignored. I don't see any sign of them being processed. 

Any help appreciated!

Thanks

Holger



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu May 20 22:34:06 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:34:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for clear and precise documentation for
	installation and configuration
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFpPq68QtukKPtiCsQuteFcKAAAAQAAAAarCCrwg4JE+Mm+61dmMrkwEAAAAA@drum.ncat.edu>
References: <40A9CDDE.24265.371C3D2@localhost>
	<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFpPq68QtukKPtiCsQuteFcKAAAAQAAAAarCCrwg4JE+Mm+61dmMrkwEAAAAA@drum.ncat.edu>
Message-ID: <20040520203406.GC3244@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Carter Bing wrote:
> I have managed to find the well laid out websites for Mailman but
> apparently all the documentation assumes that you already have the
> software installed correctly and working. I am looking for clear
> documentation on how to install the package, how to configure it to
> run with apache, and how to configure it to deliver mail.

Download the latest release and unpack it.  You will find a very
detailed INSTALL file as well as several README files which should
provide you with plenty of details to get up and running.  If, after
following all of that and checking through the FAQ, ask here and
someone's likely to know how to help you out.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.
    -- Tacitus, Roman senator and historian (A.D. c.56-c.115)

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From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Thu May 20 22:37:13 2004
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:37:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for clear and precise documentation for
	installation and configuration
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFpPq68QtukKPtiCsQuteFcKAAAAQAAAAarCCrwg4JE+Mm+61dmMrkwEAAAAA@drum.ncat.edu>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFpPq68QtukKPtiCsQuteFcKAAAAQAAAAarCCrwg4JE+Mm+61dmMrkwEAAAAA@drum.ncat.edu>
Message-ID: <796F191C-AA9D-11D8-82B2-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>

On May 20, 2004, at 3:26 PM, Carter Bing wrote:
> I have managed to find the well laid out websites for Mailman but 
> apparently
> all the documentation assumes that you already have the software 
> installed
> correctly and working. I am looking for clear documentation on how to
> install the package, how to configure it to run with apache, and how to
> configure it to deliver mail.
>
> I have looked at the FAQ and documentation on the list.org site but I
> haven't been able to find the correct instructions on how to set it 
> up. I am
> currently using Macjordomo which runs on a Mac and would like to move 
> my
> lists to mailman.
>

As a veteran of a Macjordomo to Mailman switch, I can testify to how 
much you will appreciate Mailman once you get it running. It's not 
really all that difficult to install and set up on OS X, even if you 
have no Unix/Linux experience. See the article at 
http://www.afp548.com/Articles/Jaguar/mailman21-new.html for very good 
basic step by step instructions.

Further instructions are included in the source tarball.

Dan




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 20 23:16:52 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 23:16:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman be used as a Newsletter Mailing List?
In-Reply-To: <BCD25C7A.2CABF%contact@tedvieira.com>
References: <BCD25C7A.2CABF%contact@tedvieira.com>
Message-ID: <p06002011bcd2d09fe208@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:00 PM -0700 2004/05/20, Ted Vieira wrote:

>  Are there settings I can change in Mailman so that the subscribers can only
>  receive, but not send messages to the list?

	Please read the FAQ.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Fri May 21 00:02:15 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 00:02:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_members via Webinterface?
Message-ID: <20040520220215.GT18969@charite.de>

We always use the sync_members script to update a mailing list.

Unfortunately this means that our lusers cannot do it themselves,
unless they unsubscribe everybody and then subscribe all the people on
their list.

Is there a sync_members-like functionality available via the
Webinterface?

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a)   Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de
Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin            Tel.  +49 (0)30-450 570-155
Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin    Fax.  +49 (0)30-450 570-916
IT-Zentrum Standort Campus Mitte                          AIM.  ralfpostfix



From Barbaram at gol.com  Fri May 21 00:23:39 2004
From: Barbaram at gol.com (Barbara Manning)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 07:23:39 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Outlook Express News Reader to view
	andpost messages
In-Reply-To: <VA.000018c2.00972808@virtual-access.org>
References: <VA.000018bd.01d2e0c4@virtual-access.org>
	<E1BPXrD-0003Ep-EQ@smtp02.fields.gol.com>
	<20040517024713.GG18943@joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org>
	<6.1.0.6.2.20040517195842.02322410@popmail.gol.com>
	<VA.000018c2.00972808@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040521071858.0237c670@popmail.gol.com>

Thanks.  Our webmaster set me straight on the mailing lists vs. newsgroups 
bits, and your right, we do use a news server.

I'm using Eudora to filter the mailman mail to its own mailbox, and then 
within the mailbox I can sort the "letters" by subject.  This gives me all 
the discussions on a topic.  I have to refresh the sort every day, but 
that's ok.  It looks fine, I just had to get used to it.

I do like you're idea of using a different account -- it makes things much 
neater.

Cheers,
Barbara

At 17 05 2004 22:31, you wrote:
>Barbara Manning wrote on Mon, 17 May 2004 20:07:26 +0900:
>
> > If my only choice for this group is to read via my email client, I can do
> > that, it's just messy looking and I end up downloading about 75 messages a
> > day.   I'll probably unsubscribe with this email address and set up a
> > separate address just for this group.  That will help somewhat.
> >
>
>If the threading doesn't look good, it's a problem of your mail client.
>There's no difference in threading between newsgroups and mail unless some of
>the people on the list use certain Microsoft programs which don't add the
>correct headers for threading. I'm sure, Eudora is able to thread this list
>like a newsreader. And it should have filters/rules, so you don't need to set
>up an extra account (although using a different account for mailing lists
>isn't bad, anyway ;-). F.i. I simply use one of the headers in each mail to
>filter all mails for this mailing list in one folder setup just for it.
>
>You need to make a clear distinction between mailing lists and newsgroups.
>You can only read mailing lists with a newsreader if there is a newsserver
>which gets the mailing list messages piped to/from. That's obviously what TPC
>has done, it's not standard. So, don't confuse "groups" and "lists".
>
>
>Kai
>
>--
>
>Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
>Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
>IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org
>
>
>
>
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>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


From scot at jctn.com  Fri May 21 03:13:44 2004
From: scot at jctn.com (Scot Condry)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:13:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List seems to be set up but no emails arrive
Message-ID: <001601c43ed0$dce34ca0$6e01a8c0@sumbeah.com>

 

I can set up a list with bin/newlist and even visit the URL and get the
configurations.  But an email never arrives for the list owner, and any
emails to <listname>-subscribe at mydomain never seem to make it (I don't get a
response anyway).  I am running postfix with Fedora Core 1.  Where do I
start?  I keep searching but haven't found many answers on what to check.

 

I can email to and from with my normal users in fedora just fine.

 

Scot

 

 



From ARaacing at aol.com  Fri May 21 03:53:51 2004
From: ARaacing at aol.com (ARaacing at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 21:53:51 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Rid of "--next part--- HTML scrubbed...
Message-ID: <195.2a047392.2ddebb2f@aol.com>

I am attempting to get rid of the below text that shows in email from my 
Mailman list...

------------next part------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: 
http://mail.mylist.com/mailman/private/mylist.com/attachments/.../attachment.htm 
(url is slight shortened)
------------------------------------

I have archives turned off so even if the list user goes to the URL it 
doesn't show anything.

How do you get this NOT to appear in the digest or individual emails from 
Mailman?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!

Best Regards,
Michael Johnson


From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri May 21 04:24:36 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:24:36 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Rid of "--next part--- HTML scrubbed...
In-Reply-To: <195.2a047392.2ddebb2f@aol.com>
References: <195.2a047392.2ddebb2f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <40AD6864.3090400@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

ARaacing at aol.com wrote:

> I am attempting to get rid of the below text that shows in email from my 
> Mailman list...
> 
> ------------next part------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: 
> http://mail.mylist.com/mailman/private/mylist.com/attachments/.../attachment.htm 
> (url is slight shortened)
> ------------------------------------
> 
> I have archives turned off so even if the list user goes to the URL it 
> doesn't show anything.
> 
> How do you get this NOT to appear in the digest or individual emails from 
> Mailman?

Are you using my "[ 904850 ] Scrubber in regular delivery per list"
patch ? If so, you can turn off scrubbing attachment in the general
options page. You can also use content filter in the privacy option page
to strip mime attachments.

If your list is MIME-aware and welcome attachments, then users should be
adviced to switch to MIME-digest mode from plain text digest. Currently
plain text digester use Scrubber.py module to strip the attachments and
save in the archive area no matter whether you turned off archiving.

-- 
Tokio




From ARaacing at aol.com  Fri May 21 06:14:10 2004
From: ARaacing at aol.com (ARaacing at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 00:14:10 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Help! getting rid of MIME
Message-ID: <cf.d3572de.2ddedc12@aol.com>

Please help!

I am so frustrated and baffled. I had Mailman working pretty well and now 
Mailman sends everything in MIME attachments. And it appears that Mailman does 
not revert after making setting changes. I recorded all my settings and then 
deleted Mailman and reinstalled it and it went back to working, for the most 
part. I was trying to fix the below problem (getting rid of the ...next part..HTML 
attachment was scrubbed message) and changed one setting at a time and then 
it started send every thing in MIME again, even though I changed the setting 
back. It seems to be really buggy! How do you strip MIME without access to the 
hard files? This was installed through CPanel. Now Cpanel will not even let me 
delete my list so I can start over. Please help!

I would be willing to pay someone at this point just to get everything 
working just right on Mailman. Anyone that is super knowledge about Mailman willing? 

Best Regards,
Michael Johnson
------------------

(Previous unresolved problem)

I am attempting to get rid of the below text that shows in email from my 
Mailman list...

------------next part------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: 
http://mail.mylist.com/mailman/private/mylist.com/attachments/.../attachment.htm 
(url is slight shortened)
------------------------------------

I have archives turned off so even if the list user goes to the URL it 
doesn't show anything.

How do you get this NOT to appear in the digest or individual emails from 
Mailman?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!


From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Fri May 21 06:20:52 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 00:20:52 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail disappears
Message-ID: <200405210020.52942.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

# Log anything 'info' or higher, but lower than 'warn'.
# Exclude authpriv, cron, mail, and news.  These are logged elsewhere.
*.info;*.!warn;\
        authpriv.none;cron.none;mail.none;news.none     -/var/log/messages

# Log anything 'warn' or higher.
# Exclude authpriv, cron, mail, and news.  These are logged elsewhere.
*.warn;\
        authpriv.none;cron.none;mail.none;news.none     -/var/log/syslog

# Debugging information is logged here.
*.=debug                                                -/var/log/debug

# Private authentication message logging:
authpriv.*                                              -/var/log/secure

# Cron related logs:
cron.*                                                  -/var/log/cron

# Mail related logs:
mail.*                                                  -/var/log/maillog

# Emergency level messages go to all users:
*.emerg                                                 *

# This log is for news and uucp errors:
uucp,news.crit                                          -/var/log/spooler

# Uncomment these if you'd like INN to keep logs on everything.
# You won't need this if you don't run INN (the InterNetNews daemon).
#news.=crit                                     -/var/log/news/news.crit
#news.=err                                      -/var/log/news/news.err


----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail disappears
Date: Thursday 20 May 2004 17:10
From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
To: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU
Cc: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

At 9:05 AM -0400 2004/05/20, Brian York wrote:
>  There is nothing. Thats the issue.

	Okay, well show us what you are seeing.  Also show us the
syslog.conf and a listing of what syslog files exist in your log
directories.  It is quite possible that the information you need is
being logged by your MTA, but that this information is being thrown
away by your syslog configuration.

--
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.

-------------------------------------------------------



From forsythe at chem.iupui.edu  Fri May 21 16:53:40 2004
From: forsythe at chem.iupui.edu (Kelsey Forsythe)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:53:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relay access denied
Message-ID: <A5AF7C24-AB36-11D8-ABA9-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>

Users attempting to subscribe to my list have  not been added lately 
and looking in my /var/log mail.log
file I find the following.

  Recipient address rejected: Relay acce
ss denied; from=<chemclub-bounces at atom.chem.iupui.edu> 
to=<kforsyth at iupui.edu> p
roto=ESMTP helo=<atom.chem.iupui.edu>

I'm using postfix as the main mail on the server and have 
pop-before-smtp configured to allow for relaying
so I'm puzzled.
Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Kelsey

Kelsey Forsythe, PhD
Director, Computational Molecular Science Facility
IUPUI Chemistry
LD 320
402 North Blackford St.
Indianapolis, IN 46202
Ph: 317-278-2202
Fax: 317-274-4701




From adam.swartz at highmark.com  Tue May 18 15:52:22 2004
From: adam.swartz at highmark.com (adam.swartz at highmark.com)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:52:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Licensing Question
Message-ID: <200405181356.i4IDuW8H025971@igate.highmark.com>





Good morning.  An area of my company would like to look at your software a
little closer.  Are there any fees associated with corporate usage of your
Mailman program?

Please advise.

Thanks,

Adam Swartz, A.P.P.
Commodity Planner II
Corporate Procurement
(717)302-5949

Note:  The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally
privileged.  Do not read this if you are not the intended recipient.
Unauthorized use is prohibited and taken at your own risk.




From dzrobarge at charter.net  Thu May 20 21:09:56 2004
From: dzrobarge at charter.net (Danielle Robarge)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:09:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
Message-ID: <40AD0284.3D05077A@charter.net>

i'm sure you guys have better things to do than answer my silly question
but i have searched and dug around for ages..!

i have a Mailman listserv provided by Verve hosting - all is good but in
the administration screens i cannot for the life of me find where to
allow new users automatic approval. i don't want to go through approving
them - would like them to sign up and immediately be allowed to post.

i realize this may not be an option at all and i could be looking for an
option that doesn't exist... wild goose hunt style. i can't find
anything that tells me that either.

thanks!!
danielle r.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FACT: Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From dbl at tentra.com  Wed May 19 21:16:08 2004
From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:16:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group mismatch error
Message-ID: <1084994168.9893.29.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I am getting the following error message but my mail server (Postfix) is
not set up as group "apache". Anybody have an idea why I am getting this
error message?


This is the Postfix program at host 'my.mail.host.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

                        The Postfix program

<mb_two-request at my.mail.host.com>: Command died with status 2:
    "/var/mailman/mail/mailman request mb_two". Command output: Group
mismatch
    error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as
one of
    the following groups: [mail, nobody, mailman], but the system's mail
server
    executed the mail script as group: "apache". Try tweaking the mail
server
    to run the script as one of these groups: [mail, nobody, mailman],
or
    re-run configure providing the command line option:
    '--with-mail-gid=apache'.



Thanks,

David




From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Fri May 21 19:30:48 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:30:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail disappears
In-Reply-To: <p06002022bcd368d975ee@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <200405210020.52942.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<p06002022bcd368d975ee@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <200405211330.48405.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

I am gettting this in smtp-failure in mailman logs for every address which 
include 4 different servers.

May 20 13:40:01 2004 (24974) delivery to yorkb at exchange4.nku.edu failed with 
code -1: (111, 'Connection refused')
May 20 13:40:01 2004 (24974) Low level smtp error: (111, 'Connection 
refused'), msgid: <mailman.9.1085067400.25152.servergroup at listserv.nku.edu>

maillog - http://listserv.nku.edu/maillog

Biran

On Friday 21 May 2004 04:06, you wrote:
> At 12:20 AM -0400 2004/05/21, Brian York wrote:
> >  # Mail related logs:
> >  mail.*                                                 
> > -/var/log/maillog
>
> 	Okay, does this log file exist?  Does it have the right ownership
> and permissions?  If you changed this configuration recently, did you
> inform syslogd of the change and get it to re-read the configuration
> file?
>
> 	How about showing us some sample slices from this file which
> demonstrate the problem you're seeing?



From stantonrgould at yahoo.com  Fri May 21 19:36:46 2004
From: stantonrgould at yahoo.com (Stan Gould)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:36:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
In-Reply-To: <40AD0284.3D05077A@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20040521173646.61427.qmail@web50508.mail.yahoo.com>

Danielle:

On the "General Options" page, click on "Privacy
Options" and four sub-options will appear. Click on
"sender filters" and the setting:

"By default, should new list member postings be
moderated?" set to "NO." 

>From this point on, all subscribers will be
unmoderated, allowing them to post to your list. 

Also, for people alread on the list, go "Membership
Management" and under "Additional Member Tasks" the
setting: 

"Set everyone's moderation bit, including those
members not currently visible" change to "OFF" and
click the SET button. 

This will make everyone unmoderated, allowing them to
post messages. 

Stan Gould

--- Danielle Robarge <dzrobarge at charter.net> wrote:

> i have a Mailman listserv provided by Verve hosting
> - all is good but in the administration screens i 
> cannot for the life of me find where to allow new 
> users automatic approval. i don't want to
> go through approving them - would like them to sign
> up and immediately be allowed to post.




	
		
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From stantonrgould at yahoo.com  Fri May 21 19:43:24 2004
From: stantonrgould at yahoo.com (Stan Gould)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:43:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman be used as a Newsletter Mailing List?
In-Reply-To: <BCD25C7A.2CABF%contact@tedvieira.com>
Message-ID: <20040521174324.13759.qmail@web50501.mail.yahoo.com>

Ted:

You can set up an announcement list where only you can
send by making the following setting changes:

(1) "General Settings" the bottom setting: 

"Should postings include the List-Post: header?"
change to "NO." 

This will omit the email address to post messages.

(2) In "Privacy Options," under "membership exposure"
the setting:

"Who can view subscription list?" change to "LIST
ADMIN ONLY." 

This will keep others from viewing and sending to
membership addresses outside of the list. It will also
reduce the possibility of spamming. 

(3)  After you open "Privacy Options" four sub-options
links will appear. Click on "sender filters" and the
setting

    "By default, should new list member postings be
moderated?" set to "YES." 

>From this point on, all new subscribers will be
moderated. They can try to post a message by sending
it to the list-post address, but unless you (the
moderator) approves the message, it will not be
posted. You can also make settings to automatically
discard attempted posts, if you wish. 

(4) Go back to "Membership Management" and under
"Additional Member Tasks" the setting: 

"Set everyone's moderation bit, including those
members not currently visible" 
change to "ON" and click the SET button. 

This will ensure that anyone who subscribed before you
made the above changes, will be moderated. 

(5) Lastly, at "membership list" search for your name,
click to remove the moderation setting checkbox and
click the SUBMIT YOUR CHANGES button. This will make
you (and only you) unmoderated, allowing you to send
your announcements to the list. 

Hope this helps. 

Stan 

--- Ted Vieira <contact at tedvieira.com> wrote:
> I'd like to set up a mailinglist that would only be 
> for the purpose of sending out a monthly newsletter.

> I don't want the subscribers to use the list to 
> send messages, I only want them to subscribe so 
> that they can get the monthly newsletter.



	
		
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From hilton at think.co.za  Wed May 19 09:21:14 2004
From: hilton at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs (THiNK))
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:21:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Sendmail issues
In-Reply-To: <7F1B4B649C11FB4ABAC86C03BAA63DC9025EAA@exchange.sassware.local>
Message-ID: <003001c43d71$de3a2d90$0500a8c0@hjr>

I don't want to presume the extent of your expertise, but
did you run the 'newaliases' command after adding the
entries?

Cheers
Hilton

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sass

Brad,
	Thanks for the quick response, and I wish that were
true.  Here are the entries copied from my /etc/mail/aliases
file which according to my sendmail.cf (O
AliasFile=/etc/mail/aliases) should be where to put them:

mailman:              "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post
mailman"
mailman-admin:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin
mailman"
mailman-bounces:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces
mailman"
mailman-confirm:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm
mailman"
mailman-join:         "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join
mailman"
mailman-leave:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave
mailman"
mailman-owner:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner
mailman"
mailman-request:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request
mailman"
mailman-subscribe:    "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman
unsubscribe mailman"




From jdennis at redhat.com  Tue May 18 20:44:53 2004
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:44:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Announce] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <1084663372.1350.356.camel@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <1084663372.1350.356.camel@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <1084905893.24581.326.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 19:22, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> This version also contains a fix
> for an exploit that could allow 3rd parties to retrieve member
> passwords.  It is thus highly recommended that all existing sites
> upgrade to the latest version.

Could you be more specific about the exploit? Is there a CVE or CAN open
against it? I assume given the public announcement this is not an
embargoed security exploit, or is it?

-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>




From wendelinjohnson at yahoo.com  Thu May 20 19:42:09 2004
From: wendelinjohnson at yahoo.com (Wendy Johnson)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:42:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on lunarpages.com -- configuration
Message-ID: <20040520174209.37730.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I am trying to configure mailman so that my client can
send emails to users who subscribe, but I do not want
users to post to this list, or to receive passwords,
etc. I can not figure out how to edit the confirm and
subscribe pages to delete references to 'password'
info, etc. 

All I can edit are:

General list information page 
Subscribe results page 
User specific options page 

I can't figure out where t edit the style, font,
content of all the other files found in, for ex.:

http://mezzalunany.com/mailman/options/news_mezzalunany.com

Thank you for any direction!

Is there a better program for this? Or should I be
loading my own version of Mailman in order to have
more control over the editing of it?

Wendy Johnson
917-916-5616





From ludmilla at moscow.com  Thu May 20 21:16:48 2004
From: ludmilla at moscow.com (Ludmilla Saskova)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:16:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-all
Message-ID: <40AD0420.4FE04D83@moscow.com>

How do I set up the discussion list so that the users automatically
responds to all on the list rather then to the one person who sent the
original message?
I know you can to reply all or dragg the list email address, but my
clients would prefer to have  this done automatically.

thanks
ludmilla



From karl at freefriends.org  Fri May 21 19:45:58 2004
From: karl at freefriends.org (Karl Berry)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:45:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] downloading private archives in batch?
Message-ID: <200405211745.i4LHjwu20754@f7.net>

Has anyone happened to have written a script to allow downloading
the archives of a private mailman list offline (not in a browser)?

That is, you give the mailman username/password on the command line, it
does the mailman authentication over http[s], remembers the cookie, and
gets you the "full raw archives" (for example).

It does not sound terribly difficult to write, but maybe no one has
needed it :).

I searched the documentation and FAQs and list archives and google,
with no luck.  Any pointers appreciated.

Thanks,
karl



From spdemon6 at optonline.net  Fri May 21 19:57:47 2004
From: spdemon6 at optonline.net (spdemon6 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:57:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Start/Restart & qrunner
Message-ID: <3bf87e3c1bc2.3c1bc23bf87e@optonline.net>

I just upgraded to FC2 and hoped to finally get mailman running. Some scripts were off so i downlaoded it from list.org 2.1.5 and it seems to be working except im not sure if it is running or not. This is the following readout:

[root at lifeonedge root]# service mailman stop
PID unreadable in: /var/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid'
Is qrunner even running?
[root at lifeonedge root]# service mailman start
Site list is missing: mailman
[root at lifeonedge root]# service mailman start
Site list is missing: mailman
[root at lifeonedge root]# service mailman restart
PID unreadable in: /var/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid'
Is qrunner even running?

Now qrunner seems to me like a CRON job or some sort. I may be wrong but im not sure what i need to do from here. 

-Andrew





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri May 21 20:54:47 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 19:54:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Licensing Question
In-Reply-To: <200405181356.i4IDuW8H025971@igate.highmark.com>
References: <200405181356.i4IDuW8H025971@igate.highmark.com>
Message-ID: <54AFDDF0-AB58-11D8-9B1A-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 18 May 2004, at 14:52, adam.swartz at highmark.com wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Good morning.  An area of my company would like to look at your 
> software a
> little closer.  Are there any fees associated with corporate usage of 
> your
> Mailman program?
>

Mailman is Open Software and subject to the GPL so basically the answer 
to your question is that source code access is free to individuals and 
businesses but you do your own support or pay someone to provide it for 
you. The authors and contributors to the Mailman source do not provide 
support on a contractual basis unless you negotiate an arrangement with 
them as an  individual. But plenty of volunteers contribute their 
experience to lists such as this one, that you have posted to, so 
supporting MM is not that difficult if you have some system's admin 
experience.

Download the MM source from sourceforge and read the gnu-COPYING-GPL 
and other documentation files in the source distribution.

> Please advise.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam Swartz, A.P.P.
> Commodity Planner II
> Corporate Procurement
> (717)302-5949
>
> Note:  The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be 
> legally
> privileged.  Do not read this if you are not the intended recipient.
> Unauthorized use is prohibited and taken at your own risk.

"Old Billy was right, let's kill all the lawyers, kill 'em tonight": 
copyright The Eagles and not at all confidential; nearly as good as the 
play.




From prieheck at iwu.edu  Fri May 21 21:23:12 2004
From: prieheck at iwu.edu (Pat Riehecky)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:23:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to cripple a list?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121539460.19985@sun.iwu.edu>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200405112053.39681.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405112007320.19578@sun.iwu.edu>
	<200405112139.12376.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121539460.19985@sun.iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405211413130.29163@sun.iwu.edu>

basiclly i am wondering how to set some sitewide defaults for a list that
cannot be changed.  ie. i want all lists to always have private archives
and always have the list headers, never have the news gateway options
presented and the like.  I am asking this merely because several not so
computer literate people will be put in charge of their own lists and
there are some defaults that make more sense then others as nobody should
be changing the host_name field since the machiene only has one name and
one address associated with it.

I am not looking for a list of fields to leave accessible or a
recomendation that documentation be provided telling users what not to
change.  we have tried that before and nobody cares because IT always is
able to fix it when they screw it up.  i am hoping that there are just
some directives i can put in mm_cfg.py or another file to edit to make
this happen.

pat

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
The lines which your eye falls on first here were written last.  Their
purpose is to make yet another attempt to force into the form of a letter
the detailed investigation which is sent to you herewith.  These lines
correspond, then, with the last lines and together they form an envelope,
thus indicating in an external way what interal proofs in many ways will
convince you of, that this is a letter you are reading.
~Kierkegaard



From gerardoardiles at hotmail.com  Sat May 22 00:22:43 2004
From: gerardoardiles at hotmail.com (Gerardo Ardiles)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 19:22:43 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.2 --> 2.1.5?
Message-ID: <SEA2-DAV53goZolmRBa0001e5ed@hotmail.com>

Hi, 

I`m new at the use of the Mailman Software. I dont quite understand how to update it.

My present version is 2.1.2 and I wish to take to 2.1.5. Where can I read how to do it?.

I read the README and the Updating files but I didnt fully understand what I should do.

I would be grateful if someone helped me. Thanks in advance.


Gerardo

From bescher at rsegroup.com  Sat May 22 00:46:53 2004
From: bescher at rsegroup.com (Bob Escher)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:46:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to mailman and 
Message-ID: <000901c43f85$83841c10$43c12145@rsegroup.com>

Hi All
I am new to mailman and I am running it with xmail.
I finally figured after reading a lot the general setup
and was able to set list and users up with no problems
I was also able to send a subscribe requests out to users
and they were able to send them back.
The problem is when I tried and send a message
to that list. It disapears. At first before I added that
list name as a "user" in xmail I got a 550 error
But now it goes out it says (in the logs) it was sent
but nothing comes in.

Any ideas
Thanks

Bob Escher




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 22 02:07:55 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 02:07:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail disappears
In-Reply-To: <200405211330.48405.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200405210020.52942.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<p06002022bcd368d975ee@[10.0.1.3]>
	<200405211330.48405.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002029bcd449e84e99@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:30 PM -0400 2004/05/21, Brian York wrote:

>  I am gettting this in smtp-failure in mailman logs for every address which
>  include 4 different servers.
>
>  May 20 13:40:01 2004 (24974) delivery to yorkb at exchange4.nku.edu failed with
>  code -1: (111, 'Connection refused')

	This is not too unusual.  Occasionally, when trying to talk to a 
particular remote machine, it won't be available and you'll get a 
connection refused.  Nothing obviously wrong insofar as this goes.

>  May 20 13:40:01 2004 (24974) Low level smtp error: (111, 'Connection
>  refused'), msgid: <mailman.9.1085067400.25152.servergroup at listserv.nku.edu>

	I presume that this is a continuation of the same error?

>  maillog - http://listserv.nku.edu/maillog

	I looked at this.  It looks like two separate messages were 
delivered just fine -- one to root's mailbox, and one to a list.

	I don't see anything obviously wrong here.  Can you be more specific?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 22 02:10:49 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 02:10:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] downloading private archives in batch?
In-Reply-To: <200405211745.i4LHjwu20754@f7.net>
References: <200405211745.i4LHjwu20754@f7.net>
Message-ID: <p0600202abcd44ab17dce@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:45 PM -0400 2004/05/21, Karl Berry wrote:

>  Has anyone happened to have written a script to allow downloading
>  the archives of a private mailman list offline (not in a browser)?
>
>  That is, you give the mailman username/password on the command line, it
>  does the mailman authentication over http[s], remembers the cookie, and
>  gets you the "full raw archives" (for example).

	I would think that you should be able to call a program like wget 
and provide the username and password on the command line.  From 
there, you could just put that in cron, and you don't really need to 
try to remember any cookies or anything.

>  It does not sound terribly difficult to write, but maybe no one has
>  needed it :).
>
>  I searched the documentation and FAQs and list archives and google,
>  with no luck.  Any pointers appreciated.

	I'm not personally aware of anything.  If you find or create 
anything, feel free to create a FAQ entry on this subject so that 
others don't have such problems as you've had.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 22 02:14:46 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 02:14:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Start/Restart & qrunner
In-Reply-To: <3bf87e3c1bc2.3c1bc23bf87e@optonline.net>
References: <3bf87e3c1bc2.3c1bc23bf87e@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <p0600202bbcd44b56a47e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:57 PM -0400 2004/05/21, spdemon6 at optonline.net wrote:

>  [root at lifeonedge root]# service mailman start
>  Site list is missing: mailman
>  [root at lifeonedge root]# service mailman start
>  Site list is missing: mailman

	Hmm.  Did you see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp> 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.005.htp>?

>  Now qrunner seems to me like a CRON job or some sort. I may be wrong
>  but im not sure what i need to do from here.

	The qrunner processes were cron jobs under 2.0.x, but now are 
executed by mailmanctl in 2.1.x.  However, you're obviously not 
executing this program directly.

	I'm guessing your OS vendor has wrapped some calls to it in 
another program, which is specific to your OS.  You'd need to ask 
further questions on that subject on a mailing list or newsgroup that 
is more appropriate for your OS.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 22 02:24:40 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 02:24:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.2 --> 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <SEA2-DAV53goZolmRBa0001e5ed@hotmail.com>
References: <SEA2-DAV53goZolmRBa0001e5ed@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0600202dbcd44ce30186@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:22 PM -0300 2004/05/21, Gerardo Ardiles wrote:

>  My present version is 2.1.2 and I wish to take to 2.1.5. Where can I
>  read how to do it?.

	Mailman comes with an "UPGRADING" file which explains how to do 
this process from a generic perspective (see 
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/UPGRADING?view=markup>), 
but a lot depends on your OS vendor and any packaging that they may 
have done.

>  I read the README and the Updating files but I didnt fully understand
>  what I should do.

	You need to know more about how Mailman was installed on your 
system.  If it was installed from a package created by someone else, 
then you need to go back to that person/organization and get 
information from them as to how to do the upgrade using the tools 
they supply.

	If you installed Mailman from the source code, then the 
information in the UPGRADING file is the primary source, and I'm not 
sure if anyone has made any attempt to do any other documentation on 
the subject.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 22 02:31:48 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 02:31:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relay access denied
In-Reply-To: <A5AF7C24-AB36-11D8-ABA9-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>
References: <A5AF7C24-AB36-11D8-ABA9-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600202ebcd44edc77c6@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:53 AM -0500 2004/05/21, Kelsey Forsythe wrote:

>   Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied;
>  from=<chemclub-bounces at atom.chem.iupui.edu> to=<kforsyth at iupui.edu>
>  proto=ESMTP helo=<atom.chem.iupui.edu>
>
>  I'm using postfix as the main mail on the server and have pop-before-smtp
>  configured to allow for relaying

	There's not really enough information here to say.  You don't 
tell us which machine this line is being generated on, or what 
domains it's supposed to be accepting mail for.

	Give us more details regarding the situation, and perhaps we 
might be able to help.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 22 02:18:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 02:18:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to cripple a list?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0405211413130.29163@sun.iwu.edu>
References: <200405102233.44771.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200405112053.39681.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405112007320.19578@sun.iwu.edu>
	<200405112139.12376.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405121539460.19985@sun.iwu.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.56.0405211413130.29163@sun.iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600202cbcd44c02ccd1@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:23 PM -0500 2004/05/21, Pat Riehecky wrote:

>                                         i am hoping that there are just
>  some directives i can put in mm_cfg.py or another file to edit to make
>  this happen.

	You're not really asking "how do I cripple a list"", you're 
asking something more like "how do I create a CPanel-like restricted 
interface for Mailman?"


	Taking a single list and configuring it so that the users are 
restricted in what you allow them to do is a very different issue 
than restricting what options are available to your list 
administrators.  I believe that this latter question is likely to 
require someone to write a fair amount of code to suit your 
particular needs.

	Alternatively, you might be able to install the CPanel version of 
Mailman, and get what you need that way.  Of course, you'd have to go 
to them for support and not us, but if it does what you need then 
this may be a viable option.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Sat May 22 03:21:36 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 10:21:36 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scrubber question
In-Reply-To: <40AA8A3C.4040209@isu.edu>
References: <40AA8A3C.4040209@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <40AEAB20.7040300@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Kory,

You must really understand what the modules do and can't.

Kory Wheatley wrote:

> Basically, I want the email messages to be stripped from attachments, 
> (because of size reasons), but have the attachments still be viewable in 
> the archives, using scrubber.

I suggest you set up two lists; one for delivering and another for
archiving and tee the messages in aliases file, like this

list: "|/path/to/mailman list post", list-archive
list-admin: ...
...
list-archive: "|/path/to/mailman list-archive post"
...

You set up mime content filter in "list" list and no filter but
archiving in "list-archive".
> 
> Is this possible?  I don't have much Python programming experience.
> 
> 
I had no python experience when I first install mailman three years ago.
Programming in python is not so difficult as you think.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From ccrayne at crayne.org  Sat May 22 06:23:48 2004
From: ccrayne at crayne.org (Charles A. Crayne)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 21:23:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI Error: Failure to find group name
In-Reply-To: <F4825325CCAAFA42917E416702EBC09ABCD0DE@ex-be1.exchange.datagate.net>
References: <F4825325CCAAFA42917E416702EBC09ABCD0DE@ex-be1.exchange.datagate.net>
Message-ID: <20040521212348.7378a1ca@heimdall.crayne.org>

On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:21:15 +0100
"Andrew Hill" <andrew at awarez.net> wrote:

:  # pw group show nobody
:  nobody:*:65534:

It's not supposed to happen in the world of 32-bit software, but your
problem sure has the smell of a bug that only happens if the gid is greater
than 32k.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri May 21 10:03:05 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:03:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List seems to be set up but no emails
 arrive
In-Reply-To: <001601c43ed0$dce34ca0$6e01a8c0@sumbeah.com>
References: <001601c43ed0$dce34ca0$6e01a8c0@sumbeah.com>
Message-ID: <p06002021bcd367ff42d0@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:13 PM -0700 2004/05/20, Scot Condry wrote:

>  I can set up a list with bin/newlist and even visit the URL and get the
>  configurations.  But an email never arrives for the list owner, and any
>  emails to <listname>-subscribe at mydomain never seem to make it (I don't get a
>  response anyway).  I am running postfix with Fedora Core 1.  Where do I
>  start?  I keep searching but haven't found many answers on what to check.

	You need to look in the log files generated by postfix.  If 
there's not anything there, you need to increase your log levels so 
that you can see something useful.  You also need to make sure that 
your syslog configuration is such that this data isn't being thrown 
away.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri May 21 10:06:59 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:06:59 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail disappears
In-Reply-To: <200405210020.52942.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200405210020.52942.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002022bcd368d975ee@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:20 AM -0400 2004/05/21, Brian York wrote:

>  # Mail related logs:
>  mail.*                                                  -/var/log/maillog

	Okay, does this log file exist?  Does it have the right ownership 
and permissions?  If you changed this configuration recently, did you 
inform syslogd of the change and get it to re-read the configuration 
file?

	How about showing us some sample slices from this file which 
demonstrate the problem you're seeing?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From bescher at rsegroup.com  Sat May 22 14:16:08 2004
From: bescher at rsegroup.com (Bob Escher)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 07:16:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to mailman and questions
Message-ID: <001001c43ff6$90f81a60$43c12145@rsegroup.com>

Hi All
I am new to mailman and I am running it with xmail.
I finally figured after reading a lot the general setup
and was able to set list and users up with no problems
I was also able to send a subscribe requests out to users
and they were able to send them back.
The problem is when I tried tosend a message
to that list. It disapears. At first before I added that
list name as a "user" in xmail I got a 550 error
But now it goes out it says (in the logs) it was sent
but nothing comes in.
I relooked at the xmail logs and it appears that it went out
(the smtp log) shows this
"" "xmailserver.test" "69.33.193.67" "2004-05-22 05:44:10" "rsegroup.com"
"list.shermanpark.org" "bescher at rsegroup.com"
"board at list.shermanpark.org" "S23D" "RCPT=OK" "" "0" ""

also the ctrl log file shows this (the ip is wrong


"69.33.193.68" "root" "#deb35edab6a1285a8479f78494f81795" "2004-05-22
06:14:07" "REQ"
"69.33.193.68" "root" "#deb35edab6a1285a8479f78494f81795" "2004-05-22
06:14:07" "AUTH"


Thanks Bob


Any ideas
Thanks

Bob Escher





From gerardoardiles at hotmail.com  Sat May 22 15:00:17 2004
From: gerardoardiles at hotmail.com (Gerardo Ardiles)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 10:00:17 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.2 --> 2.1.5?
References: <SEA2-DAV53goZolmRBa0001e5ed@hotmail.com>
	<p0600202dbcd44ce30186@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <Sea2-DAV8zdr4BtngRf0001efef@hotmail.com>

Hi,

Is correct to use these to upgrade 2.1.1 --> 2.1.5 ?

% cd xxx/mailman.2.1.5
% ./configure
% make update


I am using Red Hat 8.

Thanks for your help.

Gerardo
---------------

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Knowles" <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
To: "Gerardo Ardiles" <gerardoardiles at hotmail.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.2 --> 2.1.5?


> At 7:22 PM -0300 2004/05/21, Gerardo Ardiles wrote:
>
> >  My present version is 2.1.2 and I wish to take to 2.1.5. Where can I
> >  read how to do it?.
>
> Mailman comes with an "UPGRADING" file which explains how to do
> this process from a generic perspective (see
>
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/UPGRADING?view=markup
>),
> but a lot depends on your OS vendor and any packaging that they may
> have done.
>
> >  I read the README and the Updating files but I didnt fully understand
> >  what I should do.
>
> You need to know more about how Mailman was installed on your
> system.  If it was installed from a package created by someone else,
> then you need to go back to that person/organization and get
> information from them as to how to do the upgrade using the tools
> they supply.
>
> If you installed Mailman from the source code, then the
> information in the UPGRADING file is the primary source, and I'm not
> sure if anyone has made any attempt to do any other documentation on
> the subject.
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>



From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Sat May 22 21:27:46 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:27:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to mailman and questions
In-Reply-To: <001001c43ff6$90f81a60$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
References: <001001c43ff6$90f81a60$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
Message-ID: <200405221527.47171.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

I have a similar issue using postfix. So if you figure out anything will you 
please let me know and i will do the same. 

Thanks
Brian


On Saturday 22 May 2004 08:16, Bob Escher wrote:
> Hi All
> I am new to mailman and I am running it with xmail.
> I finally figured after reading a lot the general setup
> and was able to set list and users up with no problems
> I was also able to send a subscribe requests out to users
> and they were able to send them back.
> The problem is when I tried tosend a message
> to that list. It disapears. At first before I added that
> list name as a "user" in xmail I got a 550 error
> But now it goes out it says (in the logs) it was sent
> but nothing comes in.
> I relooked at the xmail logs and it appears that it went out
> (the smtp log) shows this
> "" "xmailserver.test" "69.33.193.67" "2004-05-22 05:44:10" "rsegroup.com"
> "list.shermanpark.org" "bescher at rsegroup.com"
> "board at list.shermanpark.org" "S23D" "RCPT=OK" "" "0" ""
>
> also the ctrl log file shows this (the ip is wrong
>
>
> "69.33.193.68" "root" "#deb35edab6a1285a8479f78494f81795" "2004-05-22
> 06:14:07" "REQ"
> "69.33.193.68" "root" "#deb35edab6a1285a8479f78494f81795" "2004-05-22
> 06:14:07" "AUTH"
>
>
> Thanks Bob
>
>
> Any ideas
> Thanks
>
> Bob Escher
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/



From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Sat May 22 22:17:40 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 16:17:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Open / Close lists
Message-ID: <200405221617.40874.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

Were are the settings for open and closed lists for mailman 2.14?

Thanks
Brian



From stantonrgould at yahoo.com  Sat May 22 22:28:50 2004
From: stantonrgould at yahoo.com (Stan Gould)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 13:28:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-all
In-Reply-To: <40AD0420.4FE04D83@moscow.com>
Message-ID: <20040522202850.71355.qmail@web50509.mail.yahoo.com>

Ludmilla

Try this: on the General Options page, change the
setting to YES for this option:

>Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the
>list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To
>fields) 

This will cause messages to be sent from the list
address instead of the individual's address. Replies
to list messages should then go to the list address
and all members. Try it out. 

Stan

--- Ludmilla Saskova <ludmilla at moscow.com> wrote:
> How do I set up the discussion list so that the
> users automatically responds to all on the list 
> rather then to the one person who sent the original 
> message?
> I know you can to reply all or dragg the list email
> address, but my clients would prefer to have this 
> done automatically.
> 
> thanks
> ludmilla
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From bartek at cq-link.sr  Sat May 22 22:49:36 2004
From: bartek at cq-link.sr (Bartosz Jozwiak)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 13:49:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender and receiver question
References: <20040522202850.71355.qmail@web50509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <023101c4403e$4b733d10$a825b242@bartekhome>

Hello,

Could somebody explane me why this happens and how I can fix it.

I have set up Mailman on server "bartek.parbo.net".
I have also creates mailing list under virtual domain for example :
news.rpbg.net

When I receive posts to mailing list sender is: xpo at news.rpbg.net and
receiver is xpo at bartek.parbo.net
Can that be change to sender: xpo at news.rpbg.net and receiver also
xpo at news.rpbg.net ??

Thank you for any sugestuions and advice.

Bartek





From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Sat May 22 23:29:57 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 06:29:57 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.2 --> 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-DAV8zdr4BtngRf0001efef@hotmail.com>
References: <SEA2-DAV53goZolmRBa0001e5ed@hotmail.com>	<p0600202dbcd44ce30186@[10.0.1.3]>
	<Sea2-DAV8zdr4BtngRf0001efef@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40AFC655.9000207@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Gerardo Ardiles wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Is correct to use these to upgrade 2.1.1 --> 2.1.5 ?
> 
> % cd xxx/mailman.2.1.5
> % ./configure
> % make update
          ^^^^^^ -> install

You should be careful about the configure options so that they are 
exactly the same as the previous install. If you keep the previous
source tree, then look the head of config.log.

Do not forget to "mailmanctl restart".

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From alblack at achilles.net  Sun May 23 08:24:46 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: 23 May 2004 02:24:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Open / Close lists
In-Reply-To: <200405221617.40874.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200405221617.40874.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <1085293492.902.77.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 16:17, Brian York wrote:
> Were are the settings for open and closed lists for mailman 2.14?

It kind of depends on what you mean by an open or closed list.  You
should look at the subscription rules and sender filters under the
privacy options of the list administrator interface, and then select
what you think is appropriate for the list.

al




From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Sun May 23 09:18:52 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 03:18:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Open / Close lists
In-Reply-To: <1085293492.902.77.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <200405221617.40874.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<1085293492.902.77.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200405230318.52150.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

After going through all of that it hit me earlier how it worked. I have been 
using PMDF's mailing list software and it works a little different.  You have 
a list of addresses that the messages are to be sent to and then a separate 
list of addresses for people who can post. Then a configuration on if people 
can subscribe themself or not. 

That brings me to another migration issue. We have about 600 lists or so that 
are created automatically every semester (university environment) for classes 
and then some that is for all students student organizations and students 
faculty etc etc. Since the list is just a plain text file with email 
addresses they are created via a script and ftp to the VMS server running 
PMDF overwriting the old lists. I have looked at the mailman config files and 
it's a mess. Is there a way to do a similar kind of thing with mailman as in 
having the members in a separate file than the list configuration file. Or 
some solution for automation of list creation.

Thanks
Brian


On Sunday 23 May 2004 02:24, Al Black wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 16:17, Brian York wrote:
> > Were are the settings for open and closed lists for mailman 2.14?
>
> It kind of depends on what you mean by an open or closed list.  You
> should look at the subscription rules and sender filters under the
> privacy options of the list administrator interface, and then select
> what you think is appropriate for the list.
>
> al
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/



From schwendtner at neuhofen.at  Sun May 23 13:27:28 2004
From: schwendtner at neuhofen.at (Joachim Schwendtner)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 13:27:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.11 - debian installation
Message-ID: <2C7780C2-ACAC-11D8-BA60-000A95E73E0C@neuhofen.at>

i have some problems with the installaion of mailman 2.0.11 (debian 
woody) with apt-get install

1. after installation and setting up "testlist" my testusers do not get 
a mail, when i send a mail to the list "testlist", the 
listadministrator received the mail

2. on the website the 3 images are not displayed (phyton, mailman, gnu)

mailman is stored on my webserver in /var/lib/mailman
i have copied the images to /var/lib/mailman/images

in mm_cfg.py i have added:

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'hsbadhall.at'
DEFAULT_URL       = 'https://mail.hsbadhall.at/cgi-bin/mailman/'
IMAGE_LOGOS       = '/images/'
USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0
DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0

MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/var/lib/mailman/private'

and where should pipermail be???

and /apache-ssl/httpd.conf i have added:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
     Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
<Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives>
         Options +FollowSymlinks
</Directory>




From bescher at rsegroup.com  Sun May 23 15:20:16 2004
From: bescher at rsegroup.com (Bob Escher)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 08:20:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <006f01c440c8$b0e94150$43c12145@rsegroup.com>

Hi all
In the Instructions put out by
Sasa
it says to put the below in the 
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm-cfg.py 

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'list.jones.org' 

   DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'list.jones.org'


My question is what do you do if you have several 
domains that will run a mailing list?
Put them all in there?

Thanks

Bob E





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun May 23 15:16:15 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 14:16:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Open / Close lists
In-Reply-To: <200405230318.52150.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200405221617.40874.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<1085293492.902.77.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200405230318.52150.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <5E7ADD98-ACBB-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 23 May 2004, at 08:18, Brian York wrote:

> After going through all of that it hit me earlier how it worked. I 
> have been
> using PMDF's mailing list software and it works a little different.  
> You have
> a list of addresses that the messages are to be sent to and then a 
> separate
> list of addresses for people who can post. Then a configuration on if 
> people
> can subscribe themself or not.
>
> That brings me to another migration issue. We have about 600 lists or 
> so that
> are created automatically every semester (university environment) for 
> classes
> and then some that is for all students student organizations and 
> students
> faculty etc etc. Since the list is just a plain text file with email
> addresses they are created via a script and ftp to the VMS server 
> running
> PMDF overwriting the old lists. I have looked at the mailman config 
> files and
> it's a mess.

Before deciding haw bad things are you might find it worthwhile to take 
a look at the programs in $prefix/bin/ that form part of Mailman. Using 
them is probably a better bet then trying to work with pickled Python 
internal data structures unless you know python and want to extend 
Mailman by programming.

Programs like config_list, add_members, list_members, delete_members, 
sync-members etc are quite useful for automating administration tasks 
and, in general, their input and outputs are straight text files.

You can run most of these programs with the -h or --help option to 
confirm their function and command line options. Then let the list know 
which admin tasks are still causing you grief.

Being Python source code, they also can be used as exemplars of how to 
program extensions to Mailman if that is what you decide to do.

> Is there a way to do a similar kind of thing with mailman as in
> having the members in a separate file than the list configuration 
> file. Or
> some solution for automation of list creation.
>
> Thanks
> Brian
>
>
> On Sunday 23 May 2004 02:24, Al Black wrote:
>> On Sat, 2004-05-22 at 16:17, Brian York wrote:
>>> Were are the settings for open and closed lists for mailman 2.14?
>>
>> It kind of depends on what you mean by an open or closed list.  You
>> should look at the subscription rules and sender filters under the
>> privacy options of the list administrator interface, and then select
>> what you think is appropriate for the list.
>>
>> al




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun May 23 16:29:10 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:29:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring virtual hosts - was (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <006f01c440c8$b0e94150$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
References: <006f01c440c8$b0e94150$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
Message-ID: <8E85D200-ACC5-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 23 May 2004, at 14:20, Bob Escher wrote:

> Hi all
> In the Instructions put out by
> Sasa
> it says to put the below in the
> /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm-cfg.py
>
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'list.jones.org'
>
>    DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'list.jones.org'
>
>
> My question is what do you do if you have several
> domains that will run a mailing list?
> Put them all in there?
>

1. put a subject on yours posts to mailman-users

2. take a look at the mailman FAQ whose URL is at the bottom of each 
message you get from the mailman-users list.

3. Take a look at the comments near DEFAULT_URL_HOST and 
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py

4. check out this particular FAQ entry:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

5. Ask further question of the mailman-users list if you still have a 
problem

> Thanks
>
> Bob E




From bescher at rsegroup.com  Sun May 23 17:50:48 2004
From: bescher at rsegroup.com (bescher)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 10:50:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosts in mm-cfg.py
Message-ID: <40B0C858.2010806@rsegroup.com>


Hello again
I apologize for not putting a subject line in my last post.
I am having several issues one of which are below

I asked the question earlier (thank you Richard for helping me)
about having more then 1 domain to have mailing lists in)
he showed me where in defaults.py is the reference
for it and also in a FAQ

Now I am presuming you DON'T edit defaults.py
at all and do everything in mm-cfg.py?

I have the below in my mm-cfg.py
and would like to know if this is correct

Thank you for everything



# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
IMAGE_LOGOS ='/icons/'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.test.com'                                   
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'list.tester.org'

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
 add_virtualhost(listserv.test.com, mail.test.com)
  add_virtualhost(list.test1.com, mail.test.com)


PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private'
 





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun May 23 18:14:57 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 17:14:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosts in mm-cfg.py
In-Reply-To: <40B0C858.2010806@rsegroup.com>
References: <40B0C858.2010806@rsegroup.com>
Message-ID: <5572051A-ACD4-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 23 May 2004, at 16:50, bescher wrote:

>
> Hello again
> I apologize for not putting a subject line in my last post.
> I am having several issues one of which are below
>
> I asked the question earlier (thank you Richard for helping me)
> about having more then 1 domain to have mailing lists in)
> he showed me where in defaults.py is the reference
> for it and also in a FAQ
>
> Now I am presuming you DON'T edit defaults.py
> at all and do everything in mm-cfg.py?
>

Correct. If you make changes to Defaults.py it will work BUT they will 
be lost when you install a Mailman update. You site specific changes to 
mm_cfg.py are not lost on updates.

> I have the below in my mm-cfg.py
> and would like to know if this is correct
>
> Thank you for everything
>
>
>
> # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
> IMAGE_LOGOS ='/icons/'
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.test.com'                                   
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'list.tester.org'
>
> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
> add_virtualhost(listserv.test.com, mail.test.com)
>  add_virtualhost(list.test1.com, mail.test.com)
>
>
> PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail'

The default for this is:

PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'

why do you want to change it? But you need to ensure that an Alias 
directive(s) in in your Apache web server httpd.conf (or whatever) 
associates the /pipermail/ location with the correct file path, for 
instance:

Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/

> PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private'
>

The standard default for this is:

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'

again, why do you want to change it?

But you need to ensure that the ScriptAlias directive(s) in in your 
Apache web server httpd.conf (or whatever) associates the /mailman/ 
location with the correct file path, for instance:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/




From bescher at rsegroup.com  Sun May 23 18:52:56 2004
From: bescher at rsegroup.com (Bob Escher)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:52:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosts in mm-cfg.py
References: <40B0C858.2010806@rsegroup.com>
	<5572051A-ACD4-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <006e01c440e6$666f1c30$43c12145@rsegroup.com>

I don't want to change anything
All I want to do is set  it up
and learn it properly and then maybe down the line
start tweaking it.
I have 4 or 5 domains that will be using mailman
and I just need to add them.

The insrtuctions I recieved are from

here.
Info for integrating it with xmail can be found at:
http://xmailforum.homelinux.net/index.php?showtopic=1179&st=0&#entry5823

and I followed that specifically

Thanks




Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosts in mm-cfg.py


> On 23 May 2004, at 16:50, bescher wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello again
> > I apologize for not putting a subject line in my last post.
> > I am having several issues one of which are below
> >
> > I asked the question earlier (thank you Richard for helping me)
> > about having more then 1 domain to have mailing lists in)
> > he showed me where in defaults.py is the reference
> > for it and also in a FAQ
> >
> > Now I am presuming you DON'T edit defaults.py
> > at all and do everything in mm-cfg.py?
> >
>
> Correct. If you make changes to Defaults.py it will work BUT they will
> be lost when you install a Mailman update. You site specific changes to
> mm_cfg.py are not lost on updates.
>
> > I have the below in my mm-cfg.py
> > and would like to know if this is correct
> >
> > Thank you for everything
> >
> >
> >
> > # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
> > IMAGE_LOGOS ='/icons/'
> > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.test.com'
> > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'list.tester.org'
> >
> > VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
> > add_virtualhost(listserv.test.com, mail.test.com)
> >  add_virtualhost(list.test1.com, mail.test.com)
> >
> >
> > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail'
>
> The default for this is:
>
> PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
>
> why do you want to change it? But you need to ensure that an Alias
> directive(s) in in your Apache web server httpd.conf (or whatever)
> associates the /pipermail/ location with the correct file path, for
> instance:

 Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/

 PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private'

 THIS I HAVE (ABOVE IN MY HTTP.CONF FILE)


> The standard default for this is:
>
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
>
> again, why do you want to change it?
>
> But you need to ensure that the ScriptAlias directive(s) in in your
> Apache web server httpd.conf (or whatever) associates the /mailman/
> location with the correct file path, for instance:
>
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
THIS I HAVE AS WELL


I do have those two things in my http.conf file
(or will have very shortly will double check'
but what about the domain aliases that I am looking for

Thank You



Now I am getting bounce messages
(at least I am getting those) I haven't gotten anything for 4 days
and now I am

Here is this new problem\

smtp.rsegroup.com is (the name of the computer and is the mail server name
as well




[<00>] XMail bounce: Rcpt=[mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com];Error=[Mail loop
detected]


[<01>] Error sending message [1085330668898.1301596976.smtp.rsegroup.com]
from [62ndmpco.org].

ID:        <S2F3>
Mail From: <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>
Rcpt To:   <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>


[<02>] The reason of the delivery failure was:

Mail loop detected


[<04>] Here is listed the message log file:

[PeekTime] 1085330668 : Sun, 23 May 2004 11:44:28 -0500
<<
ErrCode   = -173
ErrString = Mail loop detected
Message <S2F3> blocked by mail loop check !
SMTP-Error = "554 Message blocked by mail loop check"
>>


[<05>] Here is listed the initial part of the message:

Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:37084)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2F3> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:44:28 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  1f5fb7131c9c2fe1108bdb809a86df59
Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:37062)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2F1> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:42:50 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  48e2471613aaa83746cef57c5c2a821c
Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:37040)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2EF> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:41:13 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  3529343cbc4888ac62b0d994c7747e7e
Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:37017)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2ED> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:39:35 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  46fc98f6c7d9de1f73bd7d0d42e02e62
Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36993)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2E9> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:37:57 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  94ae06347b6fbc657d7f196fa4d1399a
Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36968)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2E6> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:36:19 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  d178bc49c178a1f1f13661fc6fd85180
Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36944)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2E3> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:34:41 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  65e3bc3e4d9fe05dc02abebcd94a3a09
Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36919)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2DE> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:33:03 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  fcbff4808ff4d302ba84a7e674b8ae74
Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36895)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2DA> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:31:25 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  99a6d488c83f73405b0234d58e351bd8
Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36871)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2D6> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:29:47 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  82004a1d48c9131f0c79f79d63858388
Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36843)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2D0> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:28:09 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  e80405809a200270a72ba8b32960b30c
Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36819)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2CB> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:26:32 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  df8ed30e2234e95fc0d22f14a5c1a49c
Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36791)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2C6> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:24:53 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  4e960a6c4be7cde63d8c9de4262fd34c
Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36765)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2C0> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:23:15 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  2a062620600c836c557212f1a57f493f
Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36740)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2BB> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:21:38 -0500
X-AV-Scanned: yes  e53522151522fc20a7ff0efbd73e72b8
Received: from smtp.rsegroup.com (127.0.0.1:36716)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2B6> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:20:00 -0500
Received: (from mailman at localhost)
by smtp.rsegroup.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4NGK0rL004562
for mailman; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:20:00 -0500
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:20:00 -0500
Message-Id: <200405231620.i4NGK0rL004562 at smtp.rsegroup.com>
From: root at smtp.rsegroup.com (Cron Daemon)
To: mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com
Subject: Cron <mailman at smtp> /usr/bin/python -S
/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/home/mailman>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman>








From gerardoardiles at hotmail.com  Sun May 23 19:13:40 2004
From: gerardoardiles at hotmail.com (Gerardo Ardiles)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 14:13:40 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.2 --> 2.1.5?
References: <SEA2-DAV53goZolmRBa0001e5ed@hotmail.com>	<p0600202dbcd44ce30186@[10.0.1.3]>
	<Sea2-DAV8zdr4BtngRf0001efef@hotmail.com>
	<40AFC655.9000207@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <SEA2-DAV10DqNgmwIEV0000f6ca@hotmail.com>

Hi,

Tokio Kikuchi wrote:

> Gerardo Ardiles wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is correct to use these to upgrade 2.1.1 --> 2.1.5 ?
> >
> > % cd xxx/mailman.2.1.5
> > % ./configure
> > % make update
>           ^^^^^^ -> install
>
> You should be careful about the configure options so that they are
> exactly the same as the previous install. If you keep the previous
> source tree, then look the head of config.log.
>

Thank you very much!! Your answer was really usefull.

My previous install was made with mailman-2.1.2-2.7.2.i386.rpm
Could you or anyone there tell me how to determine the "configure options"
of this program  .rpm?

Thanks in advance,

Gerardo



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun May 23 19:51:18 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:51:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.2 --> 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <SEA2-DAV10DqNgmwIEV0000f6ca@hotmail.com>
References: <SEA2-DAV53goZolmRBa0001e5ed@hotmail.com>
	<p0600202dbcd44ce30186@[10.0.1.3]>
	<Sea2-DAV8zdr4BtngRf0001efef@hotmail.com>
	<40AFC655.9000207@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<SEA2-DAV10DqNgmwIEV0000f6ca@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06002032bcd694e1c082@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:13 PM -0300 2004/05/23, Gerardo Ardiles wrote:

>  My previous install was made with mailman-2.1.2-2.7.2.i386.rpm
>  Could you or anyone there tell me how to determine the "configure options"
>  of this program  .rpm?

	Quoting from my previous answer, dated Sat, 22 May 2004 02:24:40 +0200:

		If it was installed from a package created by someone else,
		then you need to go back to that person/organization and get
		information from them as to how to do the upgrade using the
		tools they supply.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From forsythe at chem.iupui.edu  Sun May 23 20:13:08 2004
From: forsythe at chem.iupui.edu (Kelsey Forsythe)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 13:13:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relay access denied
In-Reply-To: <p0600202ebcd44edc77c6@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <A5AF7C24-AB36-11D8-ABA9-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>
	<p0600202ebcd44edc77c6@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <D84B1AAE-ACE4-11D8-AD00-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>


On May 21, 2004, at 7:31 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 9:53 AM -0500 2004/05/21, Kelsey Forsythe wrote:
>
>>   Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied;
>>  from=<chemclub-bounces at atom.chem.iupui.edu> to=<kforsyth at iupui.edu>
>>  proto=ESMTP helo=<atom.chem.iupui.edu>
>>
>>  I'm using postfix as the main mail on the server and have 
>> pop-before-smtp
>>  configured to allow for relaying
>
> 	There's not really enough information here to say.  You don't tell us 
> which machine this line is being generated on
atom.chem.iupui.edu
> , or what domains it's supposed to be accepting mail for.
I thought I had configured pop-before-smtp such that users could send 
and receive mail from any domain:
My 'main.cf' file from Postfix has lines like:

# TRUST AND RELAY CONTROL
# For use with pop-before-smtp
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = 
hash:/etc/postfix/bad-recipient,permit_mynetworks
,reject_non_fqdn_recipient,
         check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/pop-before-smtp,
#       check_relay_domains,reject:forsythe
#       check_relay_domains
         hash:/etc/postfix/bad-recipient,check_relay_domains
#       /etc/postfix/bad-recipient

mynetworks = 134.68.0.0/16, 149.166.0.0/16, 156.56.0.0/16

I am not getting messages bounced when I send regular mail through the 
server but this
'relay' error appears when they try to join the MailMan mailing list.

Thanks,

KF


>
> 	Give us more details regarding the situation, and perhaps we might be 
> able to help.
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>
>
Kelsey Forsythe, PhD
Director, Computational Molecular Science Facility
IUPUI Chemistry
LD 320
402 North Blackford St.
Indianapolis, IN 46202
Ph: 317-278-2202
Fax: 317-274-4701




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun May 23 21:50:26 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 20:50:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosts in mm-cfg.py
In-Reply-To: <006e01c440e6$666f1c30$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
References: <40B0C858.2010806@rsegroup.com>
	<5572051A-ACD4-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<006e01c440e6$666f1c30$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
Message-ID: <6F89499F-ACF2-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 23 May 2004, at 17:52, Bob Escher wrote:

> I don't want to change anything
> All I want to do is set  it up
> and learn it properly and then maybe down the line
> start tweaking it.
> I have 4 or 5 domains that will be using mailman
> and I just need to add them.
>
> The insrtuctions I recieved are from
>
> here.
> Info for integrating it with xmail can be found at:
> http://xmailforum.homelinux.net/index.php? 
> showtopic=1179&st=0&#entry5823
>
> and I followed that specifically
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosts in mm-cfg.py
>
>
>> On 23 May 2004, at 16:50, bescher wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello again
>>> I apologize for not putting a subject line in my last post.
>>> I am having several issues one of which are below
>>>
>>> I asked the question earlier (thank you Richard for helping me)
>>> about having more then 1 domain to have mailing lists in)
>>> he showed me where in defaults.py is the reference
>>> for it and also in a FAQ
>>>
>>> Now I am presuming you DON'T edit defaults.py
>>> at all and do everything in mm-cfg.py?
>>>
>>
>> Correct. If you make changes to Defaults.py it will work BUT they will
>> be lost when you install a Mailman update. You site specific changes  
>> to
>> mm_cfg.py are not lost on updates.
>>
>>> I have the below in my mm-cfg.py
>>> and would like to know if this is correct
>>>
>>> Thank you for everything
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
>>> IMAGE_LOGOS ='/icons/'
>>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.test.com'
>>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'list.tester.org'
>>>
>>> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>>> add_virtualhost(listserv.test.com, mail.test.com)
>>>  add_virtualhost(list.test1.com, mail.test.com)
>>>
>>>
>>> PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail'
>>
>> The default for this is:
>>
>> PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
>>
>> why do you want to change it? But you need to ensure that an Alias
>> directive(s) in in your Apache web server httpd.conf (or whatever)
>> associates the /pipermail/ location with the correct file path, for
>> instance:
>
>  Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
>
>  PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private'
>
>  THIS I HAVE (ABOVE IN MY HTTP.CONF FILE)
>
>
>> The standard default for this is:
>>
>> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
>>
>> again, why do you want to change it?
>>
>> But you need to ensure that the ScriptAlias directive(s) in in your
>> Apache web server httpd.conf (or whatever) associates the /mailman/
>> location with the correct file path, for instance:
>>
>> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
> THIS I HAVE AS WELL
>
>
> I do have those two things in my http.conf file
> (or will have very shortly will double check'
> but what about the domain aliases that I am looking for
>

Declaring virtual hosts in the mm_cfg implies that:

1. your DNS has entries for the hosts concerned

2. your Apache httpd.conf contains a VirtualHost directive for a named  
or numbered virtual host for each of the virtual hosts you are telling  
Mailman about.

btw: do remember that standard Mailman is a bit challenged in its  
virtual host handling and that the listname name space is shared by all  
virtual host it knows about. If you need to be able to support the same  
listname on several virtual hosts with different lists then the normal,  
simple, standard Mailman install will not meet your needs.

> Thank You
>
>
>
> Now I am getting bounce messages
> (at least I am getting those) I haven't gotten anything for 4 days
> and now I am
>
> Here is this new problem\
>
> smtp.rsegroup.com is (the name of the computer and is the mail server  
> name
> as well

A mail loop is being reported to you and correctly so, from looking at  
the headers of the looping message. I'll preface what I say with the  
comment that I think this problem is nothing to do with Mailman per se.

Looking at the first three Received: headers of the message in temporal  
order we have:

1st - the message is passed my mailman to smtp.rsegroup.com
---

Received: (from mailman at localhost)
by smtp.rsegroup.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4NGK0rL004562
for mailman; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:20:00 -0500

 From what you say this has happened on the same machine as mailman is  
running on, smtp.rsegroup.com

2nd - the message is passed from smtp.rsegroup.com to 62ndmpco.org.
---

Received: from smtp.rsegroup.com (127.0.0.1:36716)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2B6> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
<mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:20:00 -0500

Now in this Received: header it might be saying that smtp.rsegroup.com  
passed the message via the 127.0.0.1 interface. Looking up the DNS  
entries for smtp.rsegroup.com and 62ndmpco.org yields the IP numbers  
69.33.193.71 and 69.33.193.73 respectively. Which is a bit of a puzzle,  
which may indicate I do not know what I am talking about.

smtp.rsegroup.com.      43200   IN      A       69.33.193.71
62ndmpco.org.           3095    IN      A       69.33.193.73


3rd - the message is passed from 62ndmpco.org to 62ndmpco.org
---

Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36740)
by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
id <S2BB> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
<mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
Sun, 23 May 2004 11:21:38 -0500

This occurs repeatedly as 62ndmpco.org appears to be relaying the  
message back to itself; which is the mail loop complained of.

One thought I had was that 69.33.193.71 and 69.33.193.73 were both  
interface on the same machine and this might explain things but when I  
talked to the two IP numbers, the SMTP servers (MTAs) listening on them  
report different operating systems and types of SMTP server - see  
terminal transcripts below.

This is even more confusing because talking from outside your network  
to 62ndmpco.org I get "eWall v2.0 at rsegroup.com ArGoSoft Mail Server  
Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8" claiming to be the responder but  
when 62ndmpco.org delivers to itself "XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP  
Server" is reported in the Received: header.

I am also a little confused by the fact that an SMTP MTA is running on  
62ndmpco.org but the MX record for that domain specifies  
smtp.rsegroup.com exclusively, with no fallback.

62ndmpco.org.           3116    IN      MX      3 smtp.rsegroup.com.

My last thoughts are that the mail loop is the result of a single  
instance of XMail, maybe running on a machine supporting both  
69.33.193.71 and 69.33.193.73 IP numbers, and that something is wrong  
in the configuration of the mail relaying on that machine. The  
difference I see from outside your network when connecting to  
62ndmpco.org's SMTP port may be due to your firewall arrangements which  
are routing my connection to a Windows box rather than the "real"  
62ndmpco.org running Linux.

At this point I am bowing out as I know not wot about either type of  
MTA in use on your site nor their configuration. Nor do I have any idea  
about the DNS, firewall and routing arrangements on your site. You may  
need to talk to your local sys admin guru.

Or maybe some other mailman-users list reader can advise.

Best of luck resolving this.

terminal transcripts
--------------------

myComputer: richard$ telnet smtp.rsegroup.com 25
Trying 69.33.193.71...
Connected to smtp.rsegroup.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 <1085338342.1301596976 at 62ndmpco.org> [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP  
Server] service ready; Sun, 23 May 2004 13:52:22 -0500
quit
221 [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server] service closing transmission  
channel
Connection closed by foreign host.

myComputer: richard$ telnet 62ndmpco.org 25
Trying 69.33.193.73...
Connected to 62ndmpco.org.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 eWall v2.0 at rsegroup.com ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for  
WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.5.2)
quit
221 Aba he
Connection closed by foreign host.
myComputer: richard$

> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36740)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2BB> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:21:38 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  e53522151522fc20a7ff0efbd73e72b8
> Received: from smtp.rsegroup.com (127.0.0.1:36716)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2B6> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:20:00 -0500
> Received: (from mailman at localhost)
> by smtp.rsegroup.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4NGK0rL004562
> for mailman; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:20:00 -0500
>
> [<00>] XMail bounce: Rcpt=[mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com];Error=[Mail loop
> detected]
>
>
> [<01>] Error sending message  
> [1085330668898.1301596976.smtp.rsegroup.com]
> from [62ndmpco.org].
>
> ID:        <S2F3>
> Mail From: <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>
> Rcpt To:   <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>
>
>
> [<02>] The reason of the delivery failure was:
>
> Mail loop detected
>
>
> [<04>] Here is listed the message log file:
>
> [PeekTime] 1085330668 : Sun, 23 May 2004 11:44:28 -0500
> <<
> ErrCode   = -173
> ErrString = Mail loop detected
> Message <S2F3> blocked by mail loop check !
> SMTP-Error = "554 Message blocked by mail loop check"
>>>
>
>
> [<05>] Here is listed the initial part of the message:
>
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:37084)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2F3> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:44:28 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  1f5fb7131c9c2fe1108bdb809a86df59
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:37062)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2F1> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:42:50 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  48e2471613aaa83746cef57c5c2a821c
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:37040)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2EF> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:41:13 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  3529343cbc4888ac62b0d994c7747e7e
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:37017)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2ED> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:39:35 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  46fc98f6c7d9de1f73bd7d0d42e02e62
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36993)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2E9> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:37:57 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  94ae06347b6fbc657d7f196fa4d1399a
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36968)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2E6> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:36:19 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  d178bc49c178a1f1f13661fc6fd85180
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36944)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2E3> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:34:41 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  65e3bc3e4d9fe05dc02abebcd94a3a09
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36919)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2DE> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:33:03 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  fcbff4808ff4d302ba84a7e674b8ae74
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36895)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2DA> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:31:25 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  99a6d488c83f73405b0234d58e351bd8
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36871)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2D6> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:29:47 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  82004a1d48c9131f0c79f79d63858388
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36843)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2D0> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:28:09 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  e80405809a200270a72ba8b32960b30c
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36819)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2CB> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:26:32 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  df8ed30e2234e95fc0d22f14a5c1a49c
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36791)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2C6> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:24:53 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  4e960a6c4be7cde63d8c9de4262fd34c
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36765)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2C0> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:23:15 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  2a062620600c836c557212f1a57f493f
> Received: from 62ndmpco.org (127.0.0.1:36740)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2BB> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:21:38 -0500
> X-AV-Scanned: yes  e53522151522fc20a7ff0efbd73e72b8
> Received: from smtp.rsegroup.com (127.0.0.1:36716)
> by 62ndmpco.org with [XMail 1.18 (Linux/Ix86) ESMTP Server]
> id <S2B6> for <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com> from  
> <mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com>;
> Sun, 23 May 2004 11:20:00 -0500
> Received: (from mailman at localhost)
> by smtp.rsegroup.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4NGK0rL004562
> for mailman; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:20:00 -0500
> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:20:00 -0500
> Message-Id: <200405231620.i4NGK0rL004562 at smtp.rsegroup.com>
> From: root at smtp.rsegroup.com (Cron Daemon)
> To: mailman at smtp.rsegroup.com
> Subject: Cron <mailman at smtp> /usr/bin/python -S
> /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news
> X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
> X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/home/mailman>
> X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
> X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman>
>
>
>
>
>




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun May 23 22:55:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 22:55:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relay access denied
In-Reply-To: <D84B1AAE-ACE4-11D8-AD00-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>
References: <A5AF7C24-AB36-11D8-ABA9-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>
	<p0600202ebcd44edc77c6@[10.0.1.3]>
	<D84B1AAE-ACE4-11D8-AD00-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002033bcd6bf2faae8@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:13 PM -0500 2004/05/23, Kelsey Forsythe wrote:

>>  	There's not really enough information here to say.  You don't tell us
>>  which machine this line is being generated on
>
>  atom.chem.iupui.edu

	So, atom.chem.iupui.edu is claiming that "relay access denied" 
when atom.chem.iupui.edu connects to itself and tries to send out the 
e-mail?


	It would help if you would share a selection of the log file 
which demonstrates this problem -- not just pasting the error in 
question.

>  mynetworks = 134.68.0.0/16, 149.166.0.0/16, 156.56.0.0/16

	Where is 127.0.0.1/32?  Is mailman configured to connect to 
"atom.chem.iupui.edu" as the relay, or to 127.0.0.1?

>  I am not getting messages bounced when I send regular mail through the
>  server but this 'relay' error appears when they try to join the MailMan
>  mailing list.

	You're getting into problems with postfix, not Mailman.  I think 
you're likely to get more help from the postfix-users mailing list, 
or perhaps related USENET newsgroups.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From python.org at paulm.com  Mon May 24 00:00:04 2004
From: python.org at paulm.com (Paul Makepeace)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:00:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TypeError via config_list
Message-ID: <20040523220004.GK29101@mythix.realprogrammers.com>

Hi,

Attempting to edit a list I haven't looked at in a while generated
errors on the /mailman/admin form. I then tried to peel open the
config but config_list failed:

  # config_list -o /tmp/events events
  Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 348, in ?
      main()
    File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 341, in main
      do_output(listname, outfile)
    File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 117, in do_output
      do_list_categories(mlist, k, None, outfp)
    File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 127, in do_list_categories
      info = mlist.GetConfigInfo(k, subcat)
    File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 428, in GetConfigInfo
      value = gui.GetConfigInfo(self, category, subcat)
    File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/General.py", line 53, in GetConfigInfo
      optvals = [mlist.new_member_options & bitfields[o] for o in OPTIONS]
  TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for &: 'list' and 'int'
  #

I've seen this on Google but nothing with a result.

This is mailman 2.1.4-4 Debian/testing. The list was created Oct/03.
What can I do to recover the list? Even just pulling out a list of
members would be enough.

Thanks, Paul

-- 
Paul Makepeace ................................  http://paulm.com/ecademy

"If you are not on top, then sharks would get some barbecue."
   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/



From gerardoardiles at hotmail.com  Mon May 24 00:51:03 2004
From: gerardoardiles at hotmail.com (Gerardo Ardiles)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:51:03 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.2 --> 2.1.5?
References: <SEA2-DAV53goZolmRBa0001e5ed@hotmail.com>
	<p0600202dbcd44ce30186@[10.0.1.3]>
	<Sea2-DAV8zdr4BtngRf0001efef@hotmail.com>
	<40AFC655.9000207@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<SEA2-DAV10DqNgmwIEV0000f6ca@hotmail.com>
	<p06002032bcd694e1c082@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <Sea2-DAV37vqYgDVsAg00020211@hotmail.com>

Hi,

Brad Knowles wrote:


> At 2:13 PM -0300 2004/05/23, Gerardo Ardiles wrote:
>
> >  My previous install was made with mailman-2.1.2-2.7.2.i386.rpm
> >  Could you or anyone there tell me how to determine the "configure
options"
> >  of this program  .rpm?
>
> Quoting from my previous answer, dated Sat, 22 May 2004 02:24:40 +0200:
>
> If it was installed from a package created by someone else,
> then you need to go back to that person/organization and get
> information from them as to how to do the upgrade using the
> tools they supply.
>


Thanks for your answer but I have a problem.

I have another idea: Is it possible to install a new mailman 2.1.5 and then
copy my old config and data files (2.1.2) to that directories?

Thanks in advance,

Gerardo



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 24 02:03:09 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 02:03:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.2 --> 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-DAV37vqYgDVsAg00020211@hotmail.com>
References: <SEA2-DAV53goZolmRBa0001e5ed@hotmail.com>
	<p0600202dbcd44ce30186@[10.0.1.3]>
	<Sea2-DAV8zdr4BtngRf0001efef@hotmail.com>
	<40AFC655.9000207@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<SEA2-DAV10DqNgmwIEV0000f6ca@hotmail.com>
	<p06002032bcd694e1c082@[10.0.1.3]>
	<Sea2-DAV37vqYgDVsAg00020211@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06002035bcd6e3712a78@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:51 PM -0300 2004/05/23, Gerardo Ardiles wrote:

>  I have another idea: Is it possible to install a new mailman 2.1.5 and then
>  copy my old config and data files (2.1.2) to that directories?

	The UPGRADING file (see 
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/UPGRADING?view=markup> 
for the current version) has some instructions on upgrading from one 
release of version 2.1.x to another, as well as running 2.0.x and 
2.1.x in parallel on the same machine.

	The FAQ has some potentially useful information, too.  FAQ entry 
3.23 at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.023.htp> 
talks about moving a list from one machine to another, and I'm sure 
that there are other FAQ entries which might also be useful to you -- 
I'd suggest doing some searches.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From mtau at cox.net  Mon May 24 08:48:25 2004
From: mtau at cox.net (Manny Tau)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:48:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] search archive function
Message-ID: <HCEJIAICONNMKIGDKLKMIEMCOKAA.mtau@cox.net>

Just installed Mailman 2.1.5 into a RaQ 550 server (Linux, Apache).

I'm aware of the Mail Archive web service, but want to keep things local on
the server. I've also read the Mailman's FAQ's about htdig, mnogosearch, and
the htdig patch.

Is there a relatively easy way to install/integrate a search feature for the
Mailman archives?

thnx, Manny





From jwt at onjapan.net  Mon May 24 08:52:17 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:52:17 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
In-Reply-To: <40AD0284.3D05077A@charter.net>
References: <40AD0284.3D05077A@charter.net>
Message-ID: <E51FF8E0-AD4E-11D8-985B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On May 21, 2004, at 04:09, Danielle Robarge wrote:

> i have a Mailman listserv provided by Verve hosting - all is good but 
> in
> the administration screens i cannot for the life of me find where to
> allow new users automatic approval. i don't want to go through 
> approving
> them - would like them to sign up and immediately be allowed to post.

Stan Gould pointed to the options that control posting moderation.

If you are looking for the option that controls subscription 
permission, it is the subscribe_policy question on the main page of the 
list's Privacy Options:
     What steps are required for subscription?    Confirm /  Require 
approval / Confirm and approve
If you want anyone to be able to subscribe without having to approve 
their subscription, you want the "Confirm" choice.


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From jwt at onjapan.net  Mon May 24 09:27:56 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:27:56 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] downloading private archives in batch?
In-Reply-To: <200405211745.i4LHjwu20754@f7.net>
References: <200405211745.i4LHjwu20754@f7.net>
Message-ID: <E061FBD4-AD53-11D8-985B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On May 22, 2004, at 02:45, Karl Berry wrote:

> That is, you give the mailman username/password on the command line, it
> does the mailman authentication over http[s], remembers the cookie, and
> gets you the "full raw archives" (for example).

Can't you do it with just 'curl' or wget ?

     % curl -F username=me at subscriber.com -F password=xyzzy -O  
http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
or
     % curl -o mylist.mbox  
http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox? 
username=me%40subscriber.com&password=xyzzy

should create mylist.mbox in your current directory.


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Mon May 24 10:01:16 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 04:01:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 500+ list archive's disk space usage
Message-ID: <200405240401.16317.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

Anyone have a server with 500+ lists that are at least semi active that can 
give me the amount of space used for the archives and how many years the 
archives date back to.

Thanks
Brian



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 24 10:56:35 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:56:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 500+ list archive's disk space usage
In-Reply-To: <200405240401.16317.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200405240401.16317.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002037bcd769145afc@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:01 AM -0400 2004/05/24, Brian York wrote:

>  Anyone have a server with 500+ lists that are at least semi active that can
>  give me the amount of space used for the archives and how many years the
>  archives date back to.

	What do you mean by "semi active"?

	How many messages per day?  How many subscribers?  What is the 
average message size?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 24 10:55:17 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:55:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] search archive function
In-Reply-To: <HCEJIAICONNMKIGDKLKMIEMCOKAA.mtau@cox.net>
References: <HCEJIAICONNMKIGDKLKMIEMCOKAA.mtau@cox.net>
Message-ID: <p06002036bcd768973db2@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:48 PM -0700 2004/05/23, Manny Tau wrote:

>  I'm aware of the Mail Archive web service, but want to keep things local on
>  the server. I've also read the Mailman's FAQ's about htdig, mnogosearch, and
>  the htdig patch.
>
>  Is there a relatively easy way to install/integrate a search feature for the
>  Mailman archives?

	Sounds to me like you've read all the relevant FAQ entries on 
this topic.  I'm not aware of anything here that isn't in the FAQ.

	Please let us know if there's anything which is not covered by 
the FAQ, or feel free to edit/create the appropriate entry yourself.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From Stefan.Mueller at cl.uni-bremen.de  Mon May 24 12:17:25 2004
From: Stefan.Mueller at cl.uni-bremen.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_M=FCller?=)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:17:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	gid Problem after upgrade, lists want different gids
Message-ID: <40B1CBB5.8010902@cl.uni-bremen.de>

Hi,

After upgrading to Suse 9.1 I have the following problem:

I set all the GID values to the values I had before (65533). When I 
create a new list via the web interface it wants to have a gid 67 (the 
actual gid of the mailman user).

So I seem to have lists that require different gids. How can I setup 
mailman so that it creates 65533 mail lists or how can I change the 
existing lists into 67 ones?

I read the FAQ but the things do not make sense. Since I seem to need 
two gids setting the id to either one does not help.

I use postfix and used rpms to install everything.

Thanks for help and greetings

	Stefan

-- 
Stefan M?ller

Universit?t Bremen/Fachbereich 10      Tel: (+49) (+421) 218-8601
Postfach 33 04 40
D-28334 Bremen

http://www.cl.uni-bremen.de/~stefan/

http://www.cl.uni-bremen.de/~stefan/Babel/Interaktiv/





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 24 13:36:58 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:36:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  	gid Problem after upgrade, lists
	want different gids
In-Reply-To: <40B1CBB5.8010902@cl.uni-bremen.de>
References: <40B1CBB5.8010902@cl.uni-bremen.de>
Message-ID: <p0600203bbcd78e5f193d@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:17 PM +0200 2004/05/24, Stefan M?ller wrote:

>  I set all the GID values to the values I had before (65533). When I
>  create a new list via the web interface it wants to have a gid 67 (the
>  actual gid of the mailman user).

	Yup.  This is normal.

>  So I seem to have lists that require different gids. How can I setup
>  mailman so that it creates 65533 mail lists or how can I change the
>  existing lists into 67 ones?

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.004.htp> 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.001.htp>.

>  I read the FAQ but the things do not make sense. Since I seem to need two
>  gids setting the id to either one does not help.
>
>  I use postfix and used rpms to install everything.

	Therein lies the problem.  The RPMs are not set up to use the 
GIDs which you are used to using.  You either need to get different 
RPMs that are configured the way you expect, or rebuild from the 
original source code.

	It sounds like this is another issue that needs to go into the FAQ.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From jhony at goacom.com  Mon May 24 09:21:57 2004
From: jhony at goacom.com (jhony at goacom.com)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:51:57 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in subscription
Message-ID: <1329.192.168.0.76.1085383317.squirrel@192.168.0.1>

Hi,

My mailman version is 2.0.13.


I have installed the above version and it works pretty fine execpt for one
problem. The problem is

1. If I set the the privacy option to either confirm or 'confirm and
approve', the mails are not send to the proposed subscribed address for
the confirmation. In the subscribe log file I can see the pending request.
But the mail never goes to the address, neither it comes to the admin
address.

All my cron entires are set properly. I tries the cron program running
manullay also.

However, if the option is set as ' require approval, it works fine.

I tried this through web and throguh email also.


Rest of the things like posting, adding memebrs directly thorough admin
interface works fine. I couldn't find any error in the error logs also.



Could some one please help me in this.


Thanks
Jhony





From mswanson at pukeko.ws  Mon May 24 07:38:16 2004
From: mswanson at pukeko.ws (Malcolm Swanson)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:38:16 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Numbering postings
Message-ID: <p06100513bcd73a4fd907@[192.168.9.34]>

Hi,

I wonder if you can tell me if there's any way to add auto-numbering 
to the subject line of mailing list messages?  I've searched around 
but can find no way to do it.

Any help appreciated,

Malcolm Swanson
-- 
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

The Language Teacher Online
<http://jalt-publications.org/tlt>

_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/



From yorkb at NKU.EDU  Mon May 24 09:52:06 2004
From: yorkb at NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 03:52:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 500+ list archive disk space usage
Message-ID: <200405240352.06336.yorkb@nku.edu>

Anyone have a server with 500+ lists that are at least semi active that can 
give me the amount of space used for the archives and how many years the 
archives date back to.

Thanks
Brian



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 24 21:45:23 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:45:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Numbering postings
In-Reply-To: <p06100513bcd73a4fd907@[192.168.9.34]>
References: <p06100513bcd73a4fd907@[192.168.9.34]>
Message-ID: <p06002042bcd80109ac85@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:38 PM +0900 2004/05/24, Malcolm Swanson wrote:

>  I wonder if you can tell me if there's any way to add auto-numbering to
>  the subject line of mailing list messages?  I've searched around but can
>  find no way to do it.

	I am not aware of any method to accomplish this goal -- short of 
hacking the Python code, of course.

	However, I am curious as to why you would want to do this?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Mon May 24 23:32:16 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 06:32:16 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Numbering postings
In-Reply-To: <p06002042bcd80109ac85@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06100513bcd73a4fd907@[192.168.9.34]>
	<p06002042bcd80109ac85@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40B269E0.9080106@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 2:38 PM +0900 2004/05/24, Malcolm Swanson wrote:
> 
>>  I wonder if you can tell me if there's any way to add auto-numbering to
>>  the subject line of mailing list messages?  I've searched around but can
>>  find no way to do it.

I uploaded such a patch to SF.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=601117&group_id=103&atid=300103
or you can download from
http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.5+patch.20040516.gz
> 
> 
>     I am not aware of any method to accomplish this goal -- short of 
> hacking the Python code, of course.
> 
>     However, I am curious as to why you would want to do this?

There are a lot of people who will not use mm if it can't numbering,
esp. in Japan. They are anxious not to lose one mail delivered from
list. ;-)

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From peter at schnitzlers.de  Mon May 24 23:41:56 2004
From: peter at schnitzlers.de (Peter Schnitzler)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 23:41:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] after installation?
Message-ID: <200405242341.56587.peter@schnitzlers.de>

Hello,

I have Debian running and I installed the debain mailman package.
It is now running but now I am wondering how i can reach the webuserface and 
make new lists etc.... Unfortunately i did not found a docuemtenation to 
mailman and debian
Does anybody know how to do it?

greetings and thanks!

peter


-- 
Peter Schnitzler
Wei?eritzstr. 40
01067 Dresden
Germany
tel. +49 351-4976669
mobil. +49 171-6715783



From David.Bear at asu.edu  Tue May 25 00:37:31 2004
From: David.Bear at asu.edu (David Bear)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:37:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install failure, bsd instructions bad?
Message-ID: <20040524223731.GH20157@asu.edu>

I'm installing onto freebsd 4.x. I have mailman 2.2.5, latest tarball.

reading the README.BSD file lead me to beleive that I did NOT need to
SGID any directories in my mailmail install directory.  So
my install directory looks like this:

drwxrwxr-x  13 mm     mm  512 May 24 15:32 installDir
-rw-r--r--   1 mm     mm   16 May 24 14:33 mailmanInstallation
drwxrwxr-x   3 mm     mm  512 May 24 15:32 var

the user/group that mailman will be running as is mm:mm.

running make DIRSETGID=: install

chucked out the following message part way through:


/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 sitelist.cfg /home/mm/var/mailman/data
for p in email-2.5.5 JapaneseCodecs-1.4.10 KoreanCodecs-2.0.5;  do
gunzip -c ./$p.tar.gz | (cd . ; tar xf -);  (cd ./$p ; umask 02 ;
PYTHONPATH=/home/mm/installDir/pythonlib /usr/local/bin/python
setup.py --quiet install --install-lib /home/mm/installDir/pythonlib
--install-purelib /home/mm/installDir/pythonlib  --install-data
/home/mm/installDir/pythonlib);  done
tar: email-2.5.5/email/test/data/audiotest.au: Cannot open: File
exists
tar: email-2.5.5/email/test/data/msg_01.txt: Cannot open: File exists
tar: email-2.5.5/email/test/data/msg_02.txt: Cannot open: File exists

Am I totally missunderstanding the BSD instructions?


-- 
David Bear
phone: 	480-965-8257
fax: 	480-965-9189
College of Public Programs/ASU
Wilson Hall 232
Tempe, AZ 85287-0803
 "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of trespassing"



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 25 09:39:50 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:39:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Numbering postings
In-Reply-To: <40B269E0.9080106@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <p06100513bcd73a4fd907@[192.168.9.34]>
	<p06002042bcd80109ac85@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40B269E0.9080106@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <p06002046bcd8a8a6b774@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:32 AM +0900 2004/05/25, Tokio Kikuchi wrote:

>  I uploaded such a patch to SF.
> 
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=601117&group_id=103&atid=300103
>  or you can download from
>  http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.5+patch.20040516.gz

	Interesting.  Could you add an entry in the Mailman FAQ about this?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 25 09:43:21 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:43:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] after installation?
In-Reply-To: <200405242341.56587.peter@schnitzlers.de>
References: <200405242341.56587.peter@schnitzlers.de>
Message-ID: <p06002047bcd8a92fd7a8@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:41 PM +0200 2004/05/24, Peter Schnitzler wrote:

>  I have Debian running and I installed the debain mailman package.
>  It is now running but now I am wondering how i can reach the webuserface and
>  make new lists etc.... Unfortunately i did not found a docuemtenation to
>  mailman and debian
>  Does anybody know how to do it?

	So far as I know, the Mailman project doesn't have any 
documentation specific to particular OSes, beyond the various 
README.<whatever> files that are distributed with the source version 
of the package.

	If you want OS-specific documentation, then you should ask your 
question on the mailing lists and newsgroups that are specific to 
your OS.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 25 10:31:29 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:31:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install failure, bsd instructions bad?
In-Reply-To: <20040524223731.GH20157@asu.edu>
References: <20040524223731.GH20157@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002049bcd8b4757bce@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:37 PM -0700 2004/05/24, David Bear wrote:

>  I'm installing onto freebsd 4.x. I have mailman 2.2.5, latest tarball.

	Mailman 2.1.5, I hope.

	Can you give us more details on precisely which version of FreeBSD this is?

>  reading the README.BSD file lead me to beleive that I did NOT need to
>  SGID any directories in my mailmail install directory.  So
>  my install directory looks like this:
>
>  drwxrwxr-x  13 mm     mm  512 May 24 15:32 installDir
>  -rw-r--r--   1 mm     mm   16 May 24 14:33 mailmanInstallation
>  drwxrwxr-x   3 mm     mm  512 May 24 15:32 var
>
>  the user/group that mailman will be running as is mm:mm.
>
>  running make DIRSETGID=: install

	According to the way I read the README.BSD file at 
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/README.BSD?view=markup>, 
this seems to be correct.

>  chucked out the following message part way through:
>
>
>  /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 sitelist.cfg /home/mm/var/mailman/data
>  for p in email-2.5.5 JapaneseCodecs-1.4.10 KoreanCodecs-2.0.5;  do
>  gunzip -c ./$p.tar.gz | (cd . ; tar xf -);  (cd ./$p ; umask 02 ;
>  PYTHONPATH=/home/mm/installDir/pythonlib /usr/local/bin/python
>  setup.py --quiet install --install-lib /home/mm/installDir/pythonlib
>  --install-purelib /home/mm/installDir/pythonlib  --install-data
>  /home/mm/installDir/pythonlib);  done
>  tar: email-2.5.5/email/test/data/audiotest.au: Cannot open: File
>  exists
>  tar: email-2.5.5/email/test/data/msg_01.txt: Cannot open: File exists
>  tar: email-2.5.5/email/test/data/msg_02.txt: Cannot open: File exists
>
>  Am I totally missunderstanding the BSD instructions?

	Hmm.  I'll test Mailman-2.1.5 on my FreeBSD 4.6-REL box here at 
home, and see if I get a similar problem.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Tue May 25 13:26:37 2004
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 07:26:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 500+ list archive disk space usage 
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405250722470.79144@seyyav.pair.com>


> Anyone have a server with 500+ lists that are at least semi active that
> can give me the amount of space used for the archives and how many years
> the archives date back to.
>
> Thanks

I've got one with 658 lists, most I'd say are active.  The archives are
taking up 7.8GB of space.  The server has been running lists for 2.5
years.

Sean



From admin at thaiservers.com  Tue May 25 10:32:16 2004
From: admin at thaiservers.com (Admin Thai Servers)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:32:16 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
Message-ID: <mailman.4.1163928955.27980.mailman-users@python.org>


Hi

I have a mailman list of members on an old server which i am trying to move
across to a new server
however i do not have server root access
I can only access the old list with an ip number being
http://66.250.86.154/mailman/admin/members_expatgolf.com
I need to move this mailing list complete over to the new server of
www.expatgolf.com
how can I do this please?

With Kind Regards
Paul Spring
www.villasinphuket.com 
Luxury Villas Rentals/Sales/Repairs
www.thaiservers.com
Hosting for Thailand 1500mb space Bt600 p/m

06 686 6166 Mobile
076 384005  Fax (++66)

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From wilmalewis at comcast.net  Tue May 25 16:54:05 2004
From: wilmalewis at comcast.net (wilmalewis at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:54:05 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce
Message-ID: <052520041454.24952.40B35E0C000C0B250000617822007354469C07990A040E03040799@comcast.net>

I have been using this program on my site for about 10 months now, without a problem.  Last month almost all e-mails started bouncing for no apparent reason.  I've told subscribers to put the address on their "safe" list, but it doesn't seem to do much good.  Does anybody else has this problem, and what can I do about it?  I've tried to reinstall, but that didn't work either.
Thanks,
Wilma



From peter at schnitzlers.de  Tue May 25 17:48:06 2004
From: peter at schnitzlers.de (Peter Schnitzler)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:48:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] after installation?
In-Reply-To: <p06002047bcd8a92fd7a8@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <200405242341.56587.peter@schnitzlers.de>
	<p06002047bcd8a92fd7a8@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <200405251748.06919.peter@schnitzlers.de>

> 	If you want OS-specific documentation, then you should ask your
> question on the mailing lists and newsgroups that are specific to
> your OS.

Hello,

thank you for your answer.
I don't think that my problem is related to Debian.
Its just that I don't really know where to start after the installation. My 
first point is that I don't know how to reach the webuserface?!

greetings

peter 




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 25 17:56:18 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:56:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] after installation?
In-Reply-To: <200405251748.06919.peter@schnitzlers.de>
References: <200405242341.56587.peter@schnitzlers.de>
	<p06002047bcd8a92fd7a8@[10.0.1.3]>
	<200405251748.06919.peter@schnitzlers.de>
Message-ID: <p06002056bcd91cecf800@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:48 PM +0200 2004/05/25, Peter Schnitzler wrote:

>  I don't think that my problem is related to Debian.
>  Its just that I don't really know where to start after the installation. My
>  first point is that I don't know how to reach the webuserface?!

	The problem is that you used the Debian packages to install 
Mailman, and it is impossible for us to know, a priori, where they 
put anything.  Go back to your Debian resources and find out from 
them where they put things.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 25 17:58:59 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:58:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce
In-Reply-To: <052520041454.24952.40B35E0C000C0B250000617822007354469C07990A040E
	03040799@comcast.net>
References: <052520041454.24952.40B35E0C000C0B250000617822007354469C07990A040E
	03040799@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <p06002057bcd91d2805fa@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:54 PM +0000 2004/05/25, wilmalewis at comcast.net wrote:

>  I have been using this program on my site for about 10 months now, without
>  a problem.  Last month almost all e-mails started bouncing for no apparent
>  reason.  I've told subscribers to put the address on their "safe" list, but
>  it doesn't seem to do much good.  Does anybody else has this problem, and
>  what can I do about it?

	What problem?  Show us samples from your Mailman logs and system 
logs that demonstrate the problem, and sample messages.  That's no 
guarantee that this will provide us enough information to go with, 
but it's a start.

	When you go to your doctor, you don't just say "Doctor, Doctor, 
it hurts!" and then expect him to be able to magically cure you.  You 
have to tell him some details about what the problem is, and under 
what circumstances there is pain.  You're not giving us any details 
to work with.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 25 18:09:03 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:09:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
In-Reply-To: <200405251429.i4PET0tH001709@inmx008.isp.belgacom.be>
References: <200405251429.i4PET0tH001709@inmx008.isp.belgacom.be>
Message-ID: <p06002058bcd91e0138ea@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:32 PM +0700 2004/05/25, Admin Thai Servers wrote:

>  I have a mailman list of members on an old server which i am trying to move
>  across to a new server
>  however i do not have server root access
>  I can only access the old list with an ip number being
>  http://66.250.86.154/mailman/admin/members_expatgolf.com

	Hmm.  Not having access to the files means that you can't follow 
the instructions at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.004.htp>.

>  I need to move this mailing list complete over to the new server of
>  www.expatgolf.com
>  how can I do this please?

	You're going to have to re-create the lists.  Bring up the 
management interface for the old lists, then copy over all the 
relevant stuff to the management interface for the new home.

	When you've replicated all the basic configuration items for all 
the lists, you can copy over the list of users, and import the 
archives.

>  www.villasinphuket.com
>  Luxury Villas Rentals/Sales/Repairs

	Out of curiosity, where are you folks in relation to Banyan Tree 
Phuket?  My wife and I stayed there for a few days, and we dearly 
loved it.  We wish we could have spent more time there.  Maybe some 
day we'll get to return to Thailand.

>  www.thaiservers.com
>  Hosting for Thailand 1500mb space Bt600 p/m

	At current exchange rates, that works out to about $14.70588 USD 
for 1500mb of space, or 102.0mb per $1 USD.  That's an amazing price! 
How do you guys afford that?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Tue May 25 18:19:35 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 12:19:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce
In-Reply-To: <052520041454.24952.40B35E0C000C0B250000617822007354469C07990A040E03040799@comcast.net>
References: <052520041454.24952.40B35E0C000C0B250000617822007354469C07990A040E03040799@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20040525121935.619d4f91@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Tue, 25 May 2004 14:54:05 +0000
wilmalewis at comcast.net wrote:

> I have been using this program on my site for about 10 months now,
> without a problem.  Last month almost all e-mails started bouncing for
> no apparent reason.  I've told subscribers to put the address on their
> "safe" list, but it doesn't seem to do much good.  Does anybody else
> has this problem, and what can I do about it?  I've tried to
> reinstall, but that didn't work either.
> Thanks,
> Wilma

Hi Wilma,

I'm going to take the usual shot in the dark :-)  What have you
upgraded??

I started running mailman-2.1.4 a few weeks ago, in addition to postfix,
which I've been using for some years.  Shortly after I upgraded to
mailman-2.1.5 and postfix-2.1.0-0.20040209.18mdk

/var/log/syslog now has many "postfix ... warning: no MX host for
xyz.com has a valid A record" messages and they seem to tie into mailman
bounces.

I don't know you're having the same problem, but it seems related.

HTH,

David



From python.org at paulm.com  Tue May 25 18:20:09 2004
From: python.org at paulm.com (Paul Makepeace)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:20:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] after installation?
In-Reply-To: <200405251748.06919.peter@schnitzlers.de>
References: <200405242341.56587.peter@schnitzlers.de>
	<p06002047bcd8a92fd7a8@[10.0.1.3]>
	<200405251748.06919.peter@schnitzlers.de>
Message-ID: <20040525162009.GD16668@mythix.realprogrammers.com>

Je 2004-05-25 16:48:06 +0100, Peter Schnitzler skribis:
> > 	If you want OS-specific documentation, then you should ask your
> > question on the mailing lists and newsgroups that are specific to
> > your OS.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> thank you for your answer.
> I don't think that my problem is related to Debian.
> Its just that I don't really know where to start after the installation. My 
> first point is that I don't know how to reach the webuserface?!

You need to configure:
 + Apache
 + exim
 + a new list

So,

You need to configure Apache to see it, if it's not already (it's been a
while since I installed Debian's mailman so it might do it for you).

I have made a file, /etc/apache/mailman.conf that I "Include
/etc/apache/mailman.conf" in httpd.conf for any vhost that uses it,

  # mailman aliases

  Alias /mail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
  ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/

  <Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/>
          AllowOverride All
  </Directory>

Restart Apache and then try, for example,

  http://www.schnitzlers.de/mailman/listinfo

Of course, you'll need a list created by

  # newlist mailmantest

(or whatever you'd like to call it.)

You'll also need to hook it into exim. This doc ought to help,

  http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html

HTH, (comments/improvements welcome!)
Paul

-- 
Paul Makepeace ................................  http://paulm.com/ecademy

"What is wrong with my brain? A yeast infection gone wrong."
   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/



From brandon at discontent.com  Tue May 25 18:22:46 2004
From: brandon at discontent.com (Brandon Dudley)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:22:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange group mismatch error
Message-ID: <40B372D6.1000403@discontent.com>

I'm tryign to add a new list to an existing server, and have entered a 
weird cycle of mismatch errors. Every time I rerun configure to change a 
GID, it breaks either my old lists, or the new list I'm trying to add.
one list in particular wants to be GID mailman, but the new list wants 
to be nobody.

How can I break the cycle such that all lists require the same GID? 
(hopefully mailman)? check_perms doesn't help. I deleted and recreated 
the new list a couple of times to see if that helped, ran genaliases and 
restarted both postfix (my MTA) and mailman several times. Am I missing 
a file that I can manually change? right now the old list is running 
with GID mailman, but the new list is not.




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue May 25 18:44:23 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:44:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange group mismatch error
In-Reply-To: <40B372D6.1000403@discontent.com>
References: <40B372D6.1000403@discontent.com>
Message-ID: <p0600205bbcd927cc8483@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:22 AM -0700 2004/05/25, Brandon Dudley wrote:

>  I'm tryign to add a new list to an existing server, and have entered a
>  weird cycle of mismatch errors. Every time I rerun configure to change
>  a GID, it breaks either my old lists, or the new list I'm trying to add.
>  one list in particular wants to be GID mailman, but the new list wants
>  to be nobody.

	The problem is that you need to get your web server (apache?), 
your mail server (postfix?  exim?  sendmail?), and Mailman to all 
agree as to what GID everything should be running as.

	When upgrading, it is usually easiest to make the new piece of 
software agree with the other two, by replicating the configuration 
options that were used on the previous version that was installed.


	Beyond that, it's going to depend on what your web server and 
mail server are, and how they are configured.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From mailman-users at ragweed.net  Tue May 25 19:03:19 2004
From: mailman-users at ragweed.net (mailman-users)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 12:03:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1.5 fails on 'Updating Usenet
	watermarks'
Message-ID: <40B37C57.1000606@ragweed.net>

Updating from 2.1.4 release to 2.1.5 release, during
make install, it dies on:

Updating Usenet watermarks
- nothing to update here
Nothing to do.
updating old qfiles
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/update", line 780, in ?
     errors = main()
   File "bin/update", line 709, in main
     update_qfiles()
   File "bin/update", line 441, in update_qfiles
     msg, data = dequeue(filebase)
   File "bin/update", line 497, in dequeue
     msg = cPickle.load(msgfp)
EOFError
make: *** [update] Error 1

Tried running 'make install' again, but bin/upgrade seems to die at this 
point without fail.

Any suggestions?



From brandon at discontent.com  Tue May 25 19:20:30 2004
From: brandon at discontent.com (Brandon Dudley)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:20:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange group mismatch error
In-Reply-To: <p0600205bbcd927cc8483@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <40B372D6.1000403@discontent.com>
	<p0600205bbcd927cc8483@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40B3805E.7090204@discontent.com>

Figured this out - I had duplicate entries in /etc/aliases and in the 
mailman aliases file for the old list (from trying to fix this problem 
in the past).

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 9:22 AM -0700 2004/05/25, Brandon Dudley wrote:
> 
>>  I'm tryign to add a new list to an existing server, and have entered a
>>  weird cycle of mismatch errors. Every time I rerun configure to change
>>  a GID, it breaks either my old lists, or the new list I'm trying to add.
>>  one list in particular wants to be GID mailman, but the new list wants
>>  to be nobody.
> 
> 
>     The problem is that you need to get your web server (apache?), your 
> mail server (postfix?  exim?  sendmail?), and Mailman to all agree as to 
> what GID everything should be running as.
> 
>     When upgrading, it is usually easiest to make the new piece of 
> software agree with the other two, by replicating the configuration 
> options that were used on the previous version that was installed.
> 
> 
>     Beyond that, it's going to depend on what your web server and mail 
> server are, and how they are configured.
> 




From bthorson at foretec.com  Tue May 25 23:30:20 2004
From: bthorson at foretec.com (Brett Thorson)
Date: 25 May 2004 17:30:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval message loops around and is seen as a
	bounce
Message-ID: <1085520620.10885.1768.camel@thor.cnri.reston.va.us>

I just upgraded mailman from 2.0.something to 2.1.5.  Everything went
really well (thanks, that was great).  However, I am running into one
weird even that is occurring.

When a non-user sends a message that requires approval.  The approval
message gets sent from listname-owner to listname-owner.  This address
because of the setup I have actually gets routed off the box and then
returns.  And I think it is the returning to the box that makes mailman
think that the message actually bounced.  It seems to me that mailman
should replace the To:listname-owner with the actual address of the list
owner.

Below is the (Bounce message (approval message (message to approve)))
encapsulated messages that have me mostly puzzled.

Any help?

Thanks.

--Brett





           From: 
mailman-bounces at ihavechangedthedomain.org
             To: 
stan-test-owner at ihavechangedthedomain.org
        Subject: 
Uncaught bounce
notification
           Date: 
Tue, 25 May 2004
16:08:15 -0400

The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).

For more information see:
https://www1.ihavechangedthedomain.org/mailman/admin/stan-test/bounce

-------------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________


     From: 
stan-test-owner at ihavechangedthedomain.org
       To: 
stan-test-owner at ihavechangedthedomain.org
  Subject: 
Stan-test
post from
net at hand.co
requires
approval
     Date: 
Tue, 25 May
2004
15:50:43
-0400

As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

    List:    Stan-test at ihavechangedthedomain.org
    From:    net at hand.co
    Subject: test post
    Reason:  Post by non-member to a members-only list

At your convenience, visit:

    https://www1.ihavechangedthedomain.org/mailman/admindb/stan-test
        
to approve or deny the request.
        ----------------------------
        ________________________________________________________________


     From: 
Net at hand.co
       To: 
stan-test at ihavechangedthedomain.org
  Subject: 
test post
     Date: 
Tue, 25 May
2004
15:40:46
-0400

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helo=ihavechangedthedomain.org)
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From: Net at hand.co
To: stan-test at ihavechangedthedomain.org
Subject: test post
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:40:46 -0400
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"
X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
X-MailScanner-From: net at hand.co
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on 
        ihavechangedthedomain-mx.ihavechangedthedomain.org
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL, NO_REAL_NAME
autolearn=no 
        version=2.60
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


test post
        ---------------------------
        ________________________________________________________________


     From: 
stan-test-request at ihavechangedthedomain.org
  Subject: 
confirm
3380c3ae38f7bbe478512ccb6c598779466e63e7

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: confirm 3380c3ae38f7bbe478512ccb6c598779466e63e7
Sender: stan-test-request at ihavechangedthedomain.org
From: stan-test-request at ihavechangedthedomain.org
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
of the body of the reply.




From ITBJDM at puknet.puk.ac.za  Wed May 26 12:58:14 2004
From: ITBJDM at puknet.puk.ac.za (Kobus Myburgh)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:58:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement + HTML
Message-ID: <s0b49473.063@groupwise.puk.ac.za>

Hello,

Can anybody point me to documentation with regards to how to set up
mailmail (2.1.3) to function as follows:

1) Be an announcement only list (only admins may post to the list)
2) On replying to a mail you received, it replies to -unsubscribe (this
seems to work already!)
3) Be able to send HTML attachments, and how do I send that attachment
properly so that it will automatically open as HTML on e-mail clients
that support that, i.e. outlook-ish clients. We don't want the user to
have to open the attachment automatically - we want it to automatically
open up in HTML readible way if the e-mail client can support it.

I have played around with many options, but I can't see anything that
SPECIFICALLY states #1 and #3 of the options that I want to do. Any
advice or pointers to documentation will be appreciated...

Regards,

Kobus




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed May 26 14:30:56 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:30:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement + HTML
In-Reply-To: <s0b49473.063@groupwise.puk.ac.za>
References: <s0b49473.063@groupwise.puk.ac.za>
Message-ID: <p06002062bcda3e197a30@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:58 PM +0200 2004/05/26, Kobus Myburgh wrote:

>  1) Be an announcement only list (only admins may post to the list)

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.

>  2) On replying to a mail you received, it replies to -unsubscribe (this
>  seems to work already!)

	Then this problem seems to be resolved.

>  3) Be able to send HTML attachments, and how do I send that attachment
>  properly so that it will automatically open as HTML on e-mail clients
>  that support that, i.e. outlook-ish clients. We don't want the user to
>  have to open the attachment automatically - we want it to automatically
>  open up in HTML readible way if the e-mail client can support it.

	Then post in HTML and don't strip it.  All Mailman does is strip 
things that you configure it to strip.  If you don't configure it to 
strip anything, then whatever you post goes through unchanged.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From webolutionary at webolutionary.com  Wed May 26 17:13:06 2004
From: webolutionary at webolutionary.com (Sean Robertson)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:13:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sudden mass of unsubscribe notices?
Message-ID: <00f101c44333$f45041b0$4001010a@cnfei.com>

An email was sent out through our email list two days ago, and just now
I got 33 unsubscribe notices.  The notices offer no explanation of
whether the users did it, an admin did it, or it was some kind of
automatic process.  Is there any way to find out?  What could cause it
to suddenly delete 33 subscriptions all at exactly the same time two
days after the last newsletter went out?  Needless to say, this is a
rather critical issue.




Sean Robertson
webolutionary at webolutionary.com
http://www.webolutionary.com
http://www.tidewater4dean.com

"You have the power to take back your country!"
    - Howard Dean - www.deanforamerica.com

"Great is the glory, for the strife is hard."
    - William Wordsworth

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that
you end up being governed by your inferiors."
    - Plato




From art at hens-teeth.net  Wed May 26 17:23:42 2004
From: art at hens-teeth.net (Art Zemon)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:23:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Installations
Message-ID: <40B4B67E.20504@hens-teeth.net>

Folks,

I am considering moving a large-ish Lyris ListManager installation to 
Mailman. Right now, we are running 435 lists with an average of 97 
subscribers per list. The largest lists have over 7000 subscribers.

We are processing a bit under 200 list messages per day which comes to a 
bit under 20,000 outgoing email messages per day.

If you have experience with a large Mailman installation that is similar 
to this, please let me know how it is running and what you are running 
it on (e.g., what hardware? are you using sendmail or something else?).

Thanks,
    -- Art Z.

-- 

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Voice & Fax: (866)HENS-NET or (636)447-3030
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From alblack at achilles.net  Wed May 26 17:04:18 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: 26 May 2004 11:04:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sudden mass of unsubscribe notices?
In-Reply-To: <00f101c44333$f45041b0$4001010a@cnfei.com>
References: <00f101c44333$f45041b0$4001010a@cnfei.com>
Message-ID: <1085583862.959.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 11:13, Sean Robertson wrote:
> An email was sent out through our email list two days ago, and just now
> I got 33 unsubscribe notices.  The notices offer no explanation of
> whether the users did it, an admin did it, or it was some kind of
> automatic process.  Is there any way to find out?  What could cause it
> to suddenly delete 33 subscriptions all at exactly the same time two
> days after the last newsletter went out? 

Looking in the log files will help you find out:

~/usr/local/mailman/logs/subscribe

(or where you put mailman)

al








From bthorson at foretec.com  Wed May 26 19:06:46 2004
From: bthorson at foretec.com (Brett Thorson)
Date: 26 May 2004 13:06:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval message loops around and is seen as a
	bounce
In-Reply-To: <1085520620.10885.1768.camel@thor.cnri.reston.va.us>
References: <1085520620.10885.1768.camel@thor.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <1085591206.31861.25.camel@thor.cnri.reston.va.us>

Turns out that others have had this problem.  I finally solved it when I
found that there were some lists that were working.  

The problem was that in some places (on multiple servers) I had

listname-owner -> listname-admin

so when mailman sent a message out, it didn't get rewritten to the
owner, but came back in on an address that made it look like a bounce. 
Not good.

I ran the genaliases program in the bin directory, ran that through AWK
and blew away all of my old aliases files (on multiple servers!) and now
all appears to be well.

So if you have this problem.  Make sure that all your aliases are
parallel (in an Euclidean geometry kind of way :-)

--Brett


On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 17:30, Brett Thorson wrote:
> I just upgraded mailman from 2.0.something to 2.1.5.  Everything went
> really well (thanks, that was great).  However, I am running into one
> weird even that is occurring.
> 
> When a non-user sends a message that requires approval.  The approval
> message gets sent from listname-owner to listname-owner.  This address
> because of the setup I have actually gets routed off the box and then
> returns.  And I think it is the returning to the box that makes mailman
> think that the message actually bounced.  It seems to me that mailman
> should replace the To:listname-owner with the actual address of the list
> owner.
> 
> Below is the (Bounce message (approval message (message to approve)))
> encapsulated messages that have me mostly puzzled.
> 
> Any help?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> --Brett
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>            From: 
> mailman-bounces at ihavechangedthedomain.org
>              To: 
> stan-test-owner at ihavechangedthedomain.org
>         Subject: 
> Uncaught bounce
> notification
>            Date: 
> Tue, 25 May 2004
> 16:08:15 -0400
> 
> The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
> format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
> from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
> unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).
> 
> For more information see:
> https://www1.ihavechangedthedomain.org/mailman/admin/stan-test/bounce
> 
> -------------------------------------
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 
> 
>      From: 
> stan-test-owner at ihavechangedthedomain.org
>        To: 
> stan-test-owner at ihavechangedthedomain.org
>   Subject: 
> Stan-test
> post from
> net at hand.co
> requires
> approval
>      Date: 
> Tue, 25 May
> 2004
> 15:50:43
> -0400
> 
> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
> following mailing list posting:
> 
>     List:    Stan-test at ihavechangedthedomain.org
>     From:    net at hand.co
>     Subject: test post
>     Reason:  Post by non-member to a members-only list
> 
> At your convenience, visit:
> 
>     https://www1.ihavechangedthedomain.org/mailman/admindb/stan-test
>         
> to approve or deny the request.
>         ----------------------------
>         ________________________________________________________________
> 
> 
>      From: 
> Net at hand.co
>        To: 
> stan-test at ihavechangedthedomain.org
>   Subject: 
> test post
>      Date: 
> Tue, 25 May
> 2004
> 15:40:46
> -0400
> 
> Received: from odin.ihavechangedthedomain.org ([132.151.1.176]
> helo=ihavechangedthedomain.org)
>         by megatron.ihavechangedthedomain.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id
> 1BShoW-0001yC-Fe
>         for stan-test at megatron.ihavechangedthedomain.org; Tue, 25 May
> 2004 15:42:16 -0400
> Received: from ihavechangedthedomain-mx
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> PAA12488
>         for <stan-test at ihavechangedthedomain.org>; Tue, 25 May 2004
> 15:42:08 -0400 (EDT)
> Received: from ihavechangedthedomain-mx.ihavechangedthedomain.org
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> 1BShoO-0006kN-O7
>         for stan-test at ihavechangedthedomain.org; Tue, 25 May 2004
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> Received: from exim by ihavechangedthedomain-mx with spam-scanned (Exim
> 4.12)
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> Subject: test post
> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:40:46 -0400
> Mime-Version: 1.0
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> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on 
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> autolearn=no 
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> 
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> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> 
> If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
> Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
> spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
> with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
> to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
> of the body of the reply.
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From asheriff at asheriff.com  Wed May 26 23:52:40 2004
From: asheriff at asheriff.com (Andreas Sheriff)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:52:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to configure Mailman to just send news letters
Message-ID: <01cb01c4436b$c48c7ec0$6501a8c0@felicia>

Hi,

Does anyone know how to configure Mailman to just send newsletters?
The documentation is kinda 0bfusT1c at t3d/non-existent when it comes to that.

Andreas

From msmith at ulv.edu  Wed May 26 23:57:58 2004
From: msmith at ulv.edu (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:57:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors
Message-ID: <1085608678.851.14.camel@sm.ulv.edu>

Hi,

I don't understand this message.

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mug"
 (expanded from: <mug at lists.ulv.edu>)

----- Transcript of session follows -----
Mailman error: post got bad listname: mug
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mug"... unknown mailer error 1




-- 
Mark Smith
Unix/Linux System Administrator
Office of Information Technology
909-593-3511 x4344
msmith at ulv.edu
--

"Perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but when
there is nothing more to remove".

The Art of UNIX Programming






From asheriff at asheriff.com  Thu May 27 00:00:09 2004
From: asheriff at asheriff.com (Andreas Sheriff)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:00:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors
References: <1085608678.851.14.camel@sm.ulv.edu>
Message-ID: <01e701c4436c$d03b1b40$6501a8c0@felicia>

mug is not the name of a list.

Andreas
----
If this is the first email to me,
please place NOSPAM somewhere
in the subject.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Smith" <msmith at ulv.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 2:57 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors


> Hi,
>
> I don't understand this message.
>
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mug"
>  (expanded from: <mug at lists.ulv.edu>)
>
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Mailman error: post got bad listname: mug
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mug"... unknown mailer error 1
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Mark Smith
> Unix/Linux System Administrator
> Office of Information Technology
> 909-593-3511 x4344
> msmith at ulv.edu
> --
>
> "Perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but when
> there is nothing more to remove".
>
> The Art of UNIX Programming
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From asheriff at asheriff.com  Thu May 27 00:07:04 2004
From: asheriff at asheriff.com (Andreas Sheriff)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:07:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors
References: <1085608678.851.14.camel@sm.ulv.edu>
	<01e701c4436c$d03b1b40$6501a8c0@felicia>
	<1085609008.851.16.camel@sm.ulv.edu>
Message-ID: <021501c4436d$c765a480$6501a8c0@felicia>

Dunno,

I'm new to mailman myself.  Just today, in fact.
For some reason, Mailman isn't recognizing your list.  Try list_lists in
your mailman/bin to see if mug is actually there.

Andreas
----
If this is the first email to me,
please place NOSPAM somewhere
in the subject.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Smith" <msmith at ulv.edu>
To: "Andreas Sheriff" <asheriff at asheriff.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Errors


> Andreas,
>
>
> How would I fix this? mug was the name of a lists I created.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 15:00, Andreas Sheriff wrote:
> > mug is not the name of a list.
> >
> > Andreas
> > ----
> > If this is the first email to me,
> > please place NOSPAM somewhere
> > in the subject.
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Mark Smith" <msmith at ulv.edu>
> > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 2:57 PM
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I don't understand this message.
> > >
> > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mug"
> > >  (expanded from: <mug at lists.ulv.edu>)
> > >
> > > ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > > Mailman error: post got bad listname: mug
> > > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mug"... unknown mailer error 1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Mark Smith
> > > Unix/Linux System Administrator
> > > Office of Information Technology
> > > 909-593-3511 x4344
> > > msmith at ulv.edu
> > > --
> > >
> > > "Perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but
when
> > > there is nothing more to remove".
> > >
> > > The Art of UNIX Programming
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > Searchable Archives:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > >
> -- 
> Mark Smith
> Unix/Linux System Administrator
> Office of Information Technology
> 909-593-3511 x4344
> msmith at ulv.edu
> --
>
> "Perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but when
> there is nothing more to remove".
>
> The Art of UNIX Programming
>
>
>
>




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu May 27 00:53:05 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:53:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to configure Mailman to just send news letters
In-Reply-To: <01cb01c4436b$c48c7ec0$6501a8c0@felicia>
References: <01cb01c4436b$c48c7ec0$6501a8c0@felicia>
Message-ID: <732F8376-AF67-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 26 May 2004, at 22:52, Andreas Sheriff wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know how to configure Mailman to just send newsletters?
> The documentation is kinda 0bfusT1c at t3d/non-existent when it comes to 
> that.
>

Why not try reading the FAQ, whose URL is at the bottom of each mail 
sent out by the mailman-users list?

For instance a search for 'newsletter' will get you to this page:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

> Andreas
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu May 27 01:14:15 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:14:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors
In-Reply-To: <1085608678.851.14.camel@sm.ulv.edu>
References: <1085608678.851.14.camel@sm.ulv.edu>
Message-ID: <68117D44-AF6A-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 26 May 2004, at 22:57, Mark Smith wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I don't understand this message.
>
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mug"
>  (expanded from: <mug at lists.ulv.edu>)
>
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Mailman error: post got bad listname: mug
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mug"... unknown mailer error 1
>
>

It means that although there was an alias which told your MTA to pass 
the message for that alias to Mailman's delivery script called 'post', 
the script failed when it tried to access the data structures 
associated with the list named 'mug'. You will find the message 
probably originates from $prefix/scripts/post around line 75 in the 
main() function if you are running MM 2.0.13

Does the list exist? Is the alias definition used by your MTA correct?

You do not say whether this is a new installation of Mailman or an 
established one which was working OK and is now giving problems, 
whether this is a new list or an existing list that did work and is now 
giving problems. Has anything significant changed/happened to the 
installation concerned that might have caused problems to start 
occuring? Have you tried running $prefix/bin/check_perms?

As a word of guidance, it is a good idea to mention what version of 
Mailman software you are having the problem with; from the error text 
it looks like you are running MM 2.0.x which is getting on a bit.

>
>
> -- 
> Mark Smith
> Unix/Linux System Administrator
> Office of Information Technology
> 909-593-3511 x4344
> msmith at ulv.edu
> --
>
> "Perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but when
> there is nothing more to remove".
>
> The Art of UNIX Programming




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 27 01:26:17 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:26:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to configure Mailman to just send news letters
In-Reply-To: <01cb01c4436b$c48c7ec0$6501a8c0@felicia>
References: <01cb01c4436b$c48c7ec0$6501a8c0@felicia>
Message-ID: <p0600206dbcdad71b91a8@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:52 PM -0700 2004/05/26, Andreas Sheriff wrote:

>  Does anyone know how to configure Mailman to just send newsletters?
>  The documentation is kinda 0bfusT1c at t3d/non-existent when it comes to that.

	What do you mean by "just send newsletters"?

	Have you seen the page at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From schragg at sparcc.org  Thu May 27 13:56:05 2004
From: schragg at sparcc.org (John Schragg)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 07:56:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <D544E936-AFD4-11D8-A41A-000A956F3080@sparcc.org>

When someone subscribes to a list. They get the message saying that 
they will receive an email letting them know when they are approved. 
But the list admin never gets a request, and the client never gets an 
email either. When I look into the log, it shows all the people that 
have tried to subscribe, and it just says they are all pending......
(This is on an OSX server)
Please help......John Schragg (SPARCC)




From puhuri at netlab.hut.fi  Thu May 27 14:15:37 2004
From: puhuri at netlab.hut.fi (Markus Peuhkuri)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:15:37 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying From:-line
Message-ID: <16565.56297.321651.645256@ws26.netlab.hut.fi>

We have several lists running mailman (thanks, great piece of work!).
Now we have subscribers from organizations that have From:-lines of
form

From: <given.familyname at example.com>

Those organizations run MS Exchange and the result is that they see
postings from 'unknown sender' if the message was sent from one of
those organizations.

While the real problem is within those organizations (not having
syntaxly correct 'real name' in From: field), I was wondering if it is
possible to modify From:-field to be format

From: <given.familyname at example.com> Given Family

if the From:-field contains only <[-+,\w]+[.][-+,\w]+@[-+.\w]+>

I quickly looked on sources, but could not identify correct location
to try that.

Sometimes it may be easier to modify source than big organization
policy decissions...

-- 
Markus Peuhkuri        ! Markus.Peuhkuri at hut.fi
HUT/Networking Lab.    ! http://www.netlab.hut.fi/u/puhuri/




From chardlist at chard.net  Thu May 27 15:50:24 2004
From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:50:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Definable Field
Message-ID: <200405271350.i4RDoNif067295@server5.chard.net>

Is it possible to create a custom field in the mailman database?  My
subscribers will have an e-mail address, full name, and an ID number.  The
ID number is what I need to add.

Thanks,
-Brendan





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 27 16:06:58 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:06:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <D544E936-AFD4-11D8-A41A-000A956F3080@sparcc.org>
References: <D544E936-AFD4-11D8-A41A-000A956F3080@sparcc.org>
Message-ID: <p0600206fbcdba560260f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:56 AM -0400 2004/05/27, John Schragg wrote:

>  When someone subscribes to a list. They get the message saying that they
>  will receive an email letting them know when they are approved. But the
>  list admin never gets a request, and the client never gets an email
>  either. When I look into the log, it shows all the people that have
>  tried to subscribe, and it just says they are all pending......

	You've probably munged the list admin address, so that all admin 
notices from Mailman get tossed in the bit bucket.

	I did this myself recently, on a new Mailman server I'm setting 
up.  This is not too hard to do -- all it takes is a single typo in 
the field "The list administrator email addresses.  Multiple 
administrator addresses, each on separate line is okay."

	Check your Mailman logs and your MTA logs to see what's going on. 
If nothing shows up there, you might have your log level turned down 
too low, or you might have syslogd configured to throw away the more 
detailed log information htat you need.


	There should probably be some internal code within Mailman to 
detect bounces sent to the list admin address and to deal with them 
by sending them to a site admin address which is specified in the 
mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py file(s), and not via the web interface.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 27 16:07:27 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:07:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying From:-line
In-Reply-To: <16565.56297.321651.645256@ws26.netlab.hut.fi>
References: <16565.56297.321651.645256@ws26.netlab.hut.fi>
Message-ID: <p06002070bcdba68a6bde@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:15 PM +0300 2004/05/27, Markus Peuhkuri wrote:

>  Those organizations run MS Exchange and the result is that they see
>  postings from 'unknown sender' if the message was sent from one of
>  those organizations.
>
>  While the real problem is within those organizations (not having
>  syntaxly correct 'real name' in From: field), I was wondering if it is
>  possible to modify From:-field to be format

	This has been discussed before.  See the archives.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 27 16:13:33 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:13:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Definable Field
In-Reply-To: <200405271350.i4RDoNif067295@server5.chard.net>
References: <200405271350.i4RDoNif067295@server5.chard.net>
Message-ID: <p06002072bcdba7e3bc8e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:50 AM -0400 2004/05/27, Brendan Chard wrote:

>  Is it possible to create a custom field in the mailman database?  My
>  subscribers will have an e-mail address, full name, and an ID number.  The
>  ID number is what I need to add.

	Sure.  You can add whatever Python code you want.

	As a member of the Mailman community, I would ask that you share 
with us what you've added once you're done, however.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From hamida at hnhcyber.com  Wed May 26 03:38:16 2004
From: hamida at hnhcyber.com (Hamida Madhani)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:38:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber List
Message-ID: <KFEELNIKNGEBNPCIOCDOKEPGCIAA.hamida@hnhcyber.com>

I am using your mailing list through my ISP.  I am the administrator of a
mailing list.  Can you please tell me how can I get the list subscribers to
the mailing list without going through the control panel and looking the
list alphabetically?

Thanks.

Naz Madhani



From sentam at gsbme.unsw.edu.au  Wed May 26 04:58:54 2004
From: sentam at gsbme.unsw.edu.au (Sen Ho Tam)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:58:54 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] where I can find the installation and configuration
	info?
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040526125646.024cc8e8@localhost>

Hi Mailman,

I am interested to learn mailman in order to replace the old majordomo; I 
have spent time long enough in your website but can not see any information 
of how to install the mailman and configure it work together with postfix.

I am using redhat 7.2 with apache 1.3 please help.


Sen Ho Tam
Computer Support                                X  51148
Graduate School of Biomedical   Engineering     Tel:    +61 2 9385 1148
University of NSW                               Fax:    +61 2 9663 2108
Kensington NSW 2052 




From terrillclark at yahoo.com  Wed May 26 16:20:47 2004
From: terrillclark at yahoo.com (terrill waldman)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:20:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement + HTML
In-Reply-To: <p06002062bcda3e197a30@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040526142047.89743.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com>

Then post in HTML and don't strip it.  All Mailman does is strip 
things that you configure it to strip.  If you don't configure it to 
strip anything, then whatever you post goes through unchanged.

How do you go about not stripping it?

Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be> wrote:
At 12:58 PM +0200 2004/05/26, Kobus Myburgh wrote:

> 1) Be an announcement only list (only admins may post to the list)

See .

> 2) On replying to a mail you received, it replies to -unsubscribe (this
> seems to work already!)

Then this problem seems to be resolved.

> 3) Be able to send HTML attachments, and how do I send that attachment
> properly so that it will automatically open as HTML on e-mail clients
> that support that, i.e. outlook-ish clients. We don't want the user to
> have to open the attachment automatically - we want it to automatically
> open up in HTML readible way if the e-mail client can support it.

Then post in HTML and don't strip it. All Mailman does is strip 
things that you configure it to strip. If you don't configure it to 
strip anything, then whatever you post goes through unchanged.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 


"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

SAGE member since 1995. See for more info.

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From plevin at wpl.net  Wed May 26 21:55:35 2004
From: plevin at wpl.net (Paul Levin)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:55:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question
Message-ID: <MKEJIOHGFLBNIOGBCHLGAEKFHBAA.plevin@wpl.net>

Is there a way to set up the options so that when the posts go out to the
list, it shows the person's email address in the "To" field instead of the
list name?

Thank you.

Paul Levin
plevin at wpl.net



From tazawa at infoeye.net  Thu May 27 12:04:40 2004
From: tazawa at infoeye.net (tazawa tomoyuki)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:04:40 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] About config_list command
Message-ID: <20040527190148.CF40.TAZAWA@infoeye.net>

Hello, All.

I want to use "config_list" command.

I make file the line "new_member_options = 4" is included.
and 
#./config_list -i filename nameofmaillist

but the value, which I check as "./config_list -o fname listname",
always change to "0".

Why this is not working?
If answer, pls help me!

Tomoyuki



From urska.colner at agenda.si  Thu May 27 10:06:20 2004
From: urska.colner at agenda.si (Urska Colner)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:06:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change language name
Message-ID: <40B5A17C.5050009@agenda.si>

hi
i have just noticed on your page
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/i18n.html

that Slovenian (sl_SI) is written as Solvenian. please 
correct this.

thanks
urska



From webmaster at nwdhosting.com  Tue May 25 23:04:12 2004
From: webmaster at nwdhosting.com (Webmaster)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple sites
Message-ID: <1627.141.149.185.26.1085519052.squirrel@www.nwdhosting.com>

Is it possible to run mailman off of multiple sites?  Maybe make the
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, DEFAULT_URL_HOST dynamic based on the site?  Also, how
do I recompile the cgi scripts?



From puhuri at netlab.hut.fi  Thu May 27 17:20:38 2004
From: puhuri at netlab.hut.fi (Markus Peuhkuri)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:20:38 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying From:-line
In-Reply-To: <p06002070bcdba68a6bde@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <16565.56297.321651.645256@ws26.netlab.hut.fi>
	<p06002070bcdba68a6bde@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <16566.1862.891866.24423@ws26.netlab.hut.fi>

Brad Knowles writes:
 > >  syntaxly correct 'real name' in From: field), I was wondering if it is
 > >  possible to modify From:-field to be format
 > 
 > 	This has been discussed before.  See the archives.

I do not think this has been discussed -- or then I just cannot search
mail-archive.org.  There has been lots of discussion about
Exchange/Outlook screwup with 'From: ' and 'Sender: ' headers but I
could not find anything about modifying fields to include real name.

Yes, and I know this is totaly wrong place to fix missconfiguration in
some other place....

-- 
Markus Peuhkuri        ! Markus.Peuhkuri at hut.fi
HUT/Networking Lab.    ! http://www.netlab.hut.fi/u/puhuri/



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 27 17:30:34 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:30:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple sites
In-Reply-To: <1627.141.149.185.26.1085519052.squirrel@www.nwdhosting.com>
References: <1627.141.149.185.26.1085519052.squirrel@www.nwdhosting.com>
Message-ID: <p06002073bcdbb9d8f227@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:04 PM -0400 2004/05/25, Webmaster wrote:

>  Is it possible to run mailman off of multiple sites?  Maybe make the
>  DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, DEFAULT_URL_HOST dynamic based on the site?

	Not so far as I know.  If you need this feature, you're welcome 
to contribute code to do that.

	Otherwise, you have to make use of the virtual hosting features 
which are present -- see the FAQ and the archives for details.

>                                                                   Also, how
>  do I recompile the cgi scripts?

	That happens automatically.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 27 17:31:55 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:31:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <KFEELNIKNGEBNPCIOCDOKEPGCIAA.hamida@hnhcyber.com>
References: <KFEELNIKNGEBNPCIOCDOKEPGCIAA.hamida@hnhcyber.com>
Message-ID: <p06002074bcdbba2b05a5@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:38 PM -0400 2004/05/25, Hamida Madhani wrote:

>  I am using your mailing list through my ISP.  I am the administrator of a
>  mailing list.  Can you please tell me how can I get the list subscribers to
>  the mailing list without going through the control panel and looking the
>  list alphabetically?

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 27 17:32:36 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:32:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] where I can find the installation and
	configuration 	info?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040526125646.024cc8e8@localhost>
References: <6.0.1.1.0.20040526125646.024cc8e8@localhost>
Message-ID: <p06002075bcdbba761749@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:58 PM +1000 2004/05/26, Sen Ho Tam wrote:

>  I am interested to learn mailman in order to replace the old majordomo; I
>  have spent time long enough in your website but can not see any information
>  of how to install the mailman and configure it work together with postfix.

	This documentation comes inside the tarball.  See the README.POSTFIX file.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 27 17:33:23 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:33:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question
In-Reply-To: <MKEJIOHGFLBNIOGBCHLGAEKFHBAA.plevin@wpl.net>
References: <MKEJIOHGFLBNIOGBCHLGAEKFHBAA.plevin@wpl.net>
Message-ID: <p06002076bcdbbaa02128@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:55 PM -0400 2004/05/26, Paul Levin wrote:

>  Is there a way to set up the options so that when the posts go out to the
>  list, it shows the person's email address in the "To" field instead of the
>  list name?

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.018.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 27 17:35:42 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:35:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change language name
In-Reply-To: <40B5A17C.5050009@agenda.si>
References: <40B5A17C.5050009@agenda.si>
Message-ID: <p06002077bcdbbafa3621@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:06 AM +0200 2004/05/27, Urska Colner wrote:

>  i have just noticed on your page
>  http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/i18n.html

	I think the official page is actually at <http://www.list.org/i18n.html>.

>  that Slovenian (sl_SI) is written as Solvenian. please correct this.

	However, this page has the same error.  I believe that this will 
need to be corrected by Barry Warsaw.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu May 27 17:37:47 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:37:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying From:-line
In-Reply-To: <16566.1862.891866.24423@ws26.netlab.hut.fi>
References: <16565.56297.321651.645256@ws26.netlab.hut.fi>
	<p06002070bcdba68a6bde@[10.0.1.3]>
	<16566.1862.891866.24423@ws26.netlab.hut.fi>
Message-ID: <p06002078bcdbbb8a57d3@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:20 PM +0300 2004/05/27, Markus Peuhkuri wrote:

>  I do not think this has been discussed -- or then I just cannot search
>  mail-archive.org.  There has been lots of discussion about
>  Exchange/Outlook screwup with 'From: ' and 'Sender: ' headers but I
>  could not find anything about modifying fields to include real name.

	Oh, sorry.  Did you mean that you wanted the real name of the 
recipient used?  If so, then 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.018.htp> 
is more relevant.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Thu May 27 17:38:55 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:38:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] where I can find the installation and
	configuration	info?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040526125646.024cc8e8@localhost>
References: <6.0.1.1.0.20040526125646.024cc8e8@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040527113855.616d34d1@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Wed, 26 May 2004 12:58:54 +1000
Sen Ho Tam wrote:

> Hi Mailman,
> 
> I am interested to learn mailman in order to replace the old
> majordomo; I have spent time long enough in your website but can not
> see any information of how to install the mailman and configure it
> work together with postfix.
> 
> I am using redhat 7.2 with apache 1.3 please help.

Try googling for "mailman postfix".



From PC2 at 155e.com  Thu May 27 19:20:50 2004
From: PC2 at 155e.com (PC Specialties Inc)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:20:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200405271320500245.1265225A@mail.155e.com>

Has anyone thought of numbering the attachments so they match the topic list ?



From PC2 at 155e.com  Thu May 27 19:34:51 2004
From: PC2 at 155e.com (PC Specialties Inc)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:34:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200405271334510424.1271F836@mail.155e.com>

Has anyone thought of numbering the attachments so they match the topic list ?



From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu May 27 20:19:15 2004
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:19:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Has anyone thought of using subject lines on their
	emails?
In-Reply-To: <200405271334510424.1271F836@mail.155e.com>
References: <200405271334510424.1271F836@mail.155e.com>
Message-ID: <20040527181915.GI15806@hq.newdream.net>

On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 01:34:51PM -0400, PC Specialties Inc wrote:

> Has anyone thought of numbering the attachments so they match the topic list ?

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")




From puhuri at netlab.hut.fi  Thu May 27 20:19:36 2004
From: puhuri at netlab.hut.fi (Markus Peuhkuri)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 21:19:36 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying From:-line
In-Reply-To: <p06002078bcdbbb8a57d3@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <16565.56297.321651.645256@ws26.netlab.hut.fi>
	<p06002070bcdba68a6bde@[10.0.1.3]>
	<16566.1862.891866.24423@ws26.netlab.hut.fi>
	<p06002078bcdbbb8a57d3@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <16566.12600.882182.52609@ws26.netlab.hut.fi>

Brad Knowles writes:
 > 	Oh, sorry.  Did you mean that you wanted the real name of the 
 > recipient used?  If so, then 

Looks like my question was not well formed -- at least advices are for
something completly different; I'll try to change language.  What I
like to get, is some advice to implement following code in Mailman in
python.

# some place where a message is just received to be sent to a list

if ($header->get("From") =~ m/^<([\w]+)[.]([\w]+)@([-+.\w]+)>$/) {
   $header->replace("From", "$& $1 $2 at $3")
}

The code above will check if From: line is like

From: <given.familyname at example.com>

and will replace that line with

From: <given.familyname at example.com> given familyname at example.com

and then (hopefully) users of M$ Exchange will then see sender name as

'Ext-given familyname at example com'

and not 'unknown sender'.

One could possibly add some list-wide configuration variable like
make_real_name_from_address to control if it is used or not.

I admit that I probably should have submitted my question to
developers list and not this list that is (based on answers) to those
who have not read docs, faq or list archives.  I even read source :-).
But, I do have no time to devote for developing mailman, unfortunatly.

-- 
Markus Peuhkuri        ! Markus.Peuhkuri at hut.fi
HUT/Networking Lab.    ! http://www.netlab.hut.fi/u/puhuri/



From egd at us.ibm.com  Thu May 27 20:54:21 2004
From: egd at us.ibm.com (Elizabeth Dunnagan)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:54:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Elizabeth Dunnagan/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF1AAE8486.E9C18E7F-ON87256EA1.0067DA8B-87256EA1.0067DA8C@us.ibm.com>





I will be out of the office starting  05/27/2004 and will not return until
06/01/2004.

Please contact Kimberly Brantley (Kimberly Brantley/Raleigh/IBM at IBMUS) for
search and IA and Jack Pizzolato (AC 919-254-7116)  for all other matters.
Kimberly is in the test lab this week so please send her a note.  Thanks.

From MHurley at law.uconn.edu  Thu May 27 21:32:27 2004
From: MHurley at law.uconn.edu (Hurley, Michael)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:32:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving lists to new server
Message-ID: <AD8D39C727CBD411BB2C0090273A727408F9F30E@mortimer.law.uconn.edu>

Hey,

I know this has been covered somewhat before--I've read archival posts on
the subject and still am having problems (e.g.
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/). 

Here is the deal:

Have to move 14 Mailman lists from one server to another. Old Box: Mailman
2.0.13-1; New Box: 2.0.14-18. I realize these are old. I'm hoping that is
not the issue.

So far I have:
0. newlist <listname> on new box; edited alias file. Tested list--it works.
1. Copied ~mailman/archive/private/<listname> from old box to new box
2. Copied ~mailman/lists/<listname>/* from old box to new box
3. chmod'ed and chown'ed where necessary to match other lists on new box
4. /mailman/admin/<listname> appears. Hooray. But when I try to authenticate
for the admin interface, it just hangs and hangs. Sent another email to the
list--nothing.

I tried working with withlist to change path info in the new list's
config.db--but my understanding of this is shallow at best. I think this is
where the problem is, and where I need some help. Thanks.



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From stantonrgould at yahoo.com  Thu May 27 22:40:17 2004
From: stantonrgould at yahoo.com (Stan Gould)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to configure Mailman to just send news letters
In-Reply-To: <01cb01c4436b$c48c7ec0$6501a8c0@felicia>
Message-ID: <20040527204017.26878.qmail@web50509.mail.yahoo.com>

Andreas:

You can set up an announcement list by making the
following setting changes:

(1) "General Settings" the bottom setting: 

> Should postings include the List-Post: header?
Change to "NO." 

This will omit the email address to post messages.

(2) In "Privacy Options," under "membership exposure"
the setting:

> Who can view subscription list? 
Change to "LIST ADMIN ONLY.

This will keep others from viewing and sending to
membership addresses outside of the list. It will also
reduce the possibility of spamming. 

(3)  After you open "Privacy Options" four sub-options
links will appear. Click on "sender filters" and the
setting:

> By default, should new list member postings be
> moderated? 
Set to "YES." 

>From this point on, all new subscribers will be
moderated. They can try to post a message by sending
it to the list-post address, but unless the
moderator approves the message, it will not be
posted. You can also make settings to automatically
discard attempted posts, if you wish. 

(4) Go back to "Membership Management" and under
"Additional Member Tasks" the setting: 

> Set everyone's moderation bit, including those
> members not currently visible. 
Change to "ON" and click the SET button. 

This will ensure that anyone who subscribed before you
made the above changes, will be moderated. 

(5) Lastly, at "membership list" search for the
moderator's name, click to remove the moderation
setting checkbox and click the SUBMIT YOUR CHANGES
button. This will allow the moderator to send 
announcements to the list. 

Hope this helps. 

Stan 

--- Andreas Sheriff <asheriff at asheriff.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know how to configure Mailman to just
> send newsletters?
> The documentation is kinda 0bfusT1c at t3d/non-existent
> when it comes to that.




	
		
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From gwilym at staple.co.nz  Thu May 27 22:57:23 2004
From: gwilym at staple.co.nz (Gwilym Griffith-Jones)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:57:23 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject line in Invite feature
Message-ID: <40B65633.1050104@staple.co.nz>

Hello,

Does anybody know if it is possible to change the subject line when you 
use the 'invite' feature? Currently it uses a subject line like this 
'confirm 06fe83d25ae0bdb0c55a2fc336da634c4ccdc957', I am worried people 
will treat it as spam due to it's random nature.

-- 
Yours,

Gwilym Griffith-Jones
Designer
......................
Phone: 021.388801
Email: gwilym at staple.co.nz
......................
Staple Design
100 Loess Lane
RD2 Wanaka
New Zealand



mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:

>Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
>	mailman-users at python.org
>
>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>	http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>	mailman-users-request at python.org
>
>You can reach the person managing the list at
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>
>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."
>  
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: Subscriber List (Brad Knowles)
>   2. Re: where I can find the installation and	configuration
>      info? (Brad Knowles)
>   3. Re: Mailman question (Brad Knowles)
>   4. Re: change language name (Brad Knowles)
>   5. Re: Modifying From:-line (Brad Knowles)
>   6. Re: where I can find the installation and	configuration	info?
>      (David Relson)
>  
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber List
> From:
> Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> Date:
> Thu, 27 May 2004 17:31:55 +0200
> To:
> "Hamida Madhani" <hamida at hnhcyber.com>
>
> To:
> "Hamida Madhani" <hamida at hnhcyber.com>
> CC:
> mailman-users at python.org
>
>
> At 9:38 PM -0400 2004/05/25, Hamida Madhani wrote:
>
>>  I am using your mailing list through my ISP.  I am the administrator 
>> of a
>>  mailing list.  Can you please tell me how can I get the list 
>> subscribers to
>>  the mailing list without going through the control panel and looking 
>> the
>>  list alphabetically?
>
>
>     See 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Re: [Mailman-Users] where I can find the installation and 
> configuration info?
> From:
> Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> Date:
> Thu, 27 May 2004 17:32:36 +0200
> To:
> Sen Ho Tam <sentam at gsbme.unsw.edu.au>
>
> To:
> Sen Ho Tam <sentam at gsbme.unsw.edu.au>
> CC:
> mailman-users at python.org
>
>
> At 12:58 PM +1000 2004/05/26, Sen Ho Tam wrote:
>
>>  I am interested to learn mailman in order to replace the old 
>> majordomo; I
>>  have spent time long enough in your website but can not see any 
>> information
>>  of how to install the mailman and configure it work together with 
>> postfix.
>
>
>     This documentation comes inside the tarball.  See the 
> README.POSTFIX file.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question
> From:
> Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> Date:
> Thu, 27 May 2004 17:33:23 +0200
> To:
> "Paul Levin" <plevin at wpl.net>
>
> To:
> "Paul Levin" <plevin at wpl.net>
> CC:
> mailman-users at python.org
>
>
> At 3:55 PM -0400 2004/05/26, Paul Levin wrote:
>
>>  Is there a way to set up the options so that when the posts go out 
>> to the
>>  list, it shows the person's email address in the "To" field instead 
>> of the
>>  list name?
>
>
>     See 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.018.htp>.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Re: [Mailman-Users] change language name
> From:
> Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> Date:
> Thu, 27 May 2004 17:35:42 +0200
> To:
> Urska Colner <urska.colner at agenda.si>
>
> To:
> Urska Colner <urska.colner at agenda.si>
> CC:
> mailman-users at python.org, barry at python.org
>
>
> At 10:06 AM +0200 2004/05/27, Urska Colner wrote:
>
>>  i have just noticed on your page
>>  http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/i18n.html
>
>
>     I think the official page is actually at 
> <http://www.list.org/i18n.html>.
>
>>  that Slovenian (sl_SI) is written as Solvenian. please correct this.
>
>
>     However, this page has the same error.  I believe that this will 
> need to be corrected by Barry Warsaw.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Re: [Mailman-Users] Modifying From:-line
> From:
> Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> Date:
> Thu, 27 May 2004 17:37:47 +0200
> To:
> Markus Peuhkuri <puhuri at netlab.hut.fi>
>
> To:
> Markus Peuhkuri <puhuri at netlab.hut.fi>
> CC:
> mailman-users at python.org
>
>
> At 6:20 PM +0300 2004/05/27, Markus Peuhkuri wrote:
>
>>  I do not think this has been discussed -- or then I just cannot search
>>  mail-archive.org.  There has been lots of discussion about
>>  Exchange/Outlook screwup with 'From: ' and 'Sender: ' headers but I
>>  could not find anything about modifying fields to include real name.
>
>
>     Oh, sorry.  Did you mean that you wanted the real name of the 
> recipient used?  If so, then 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.018.htp> 
> is more relevant.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Re: [Mailman-Users] where I can find the installation and 
> configuration info?
> From:
> David Relson <relson at osagesoftware.com>
> Date:
> Thu, 27 May 2004 11:38:55 -0400
>
> CC:
> mailman-users at python.org
>
>
>On Wed, 26 May 2004 12:58:54 +1000
>Sen Ho Tam wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Mailman,
>>
>>I am interested to learn mailman in order to replace the old
>>majordomo; I have spent time long enough in your website but can not
>>see any information of how to install the mailman and configure it
>>work together with postfix.
>>
>>I am using redhat 7.2 with apache 1.3 please help.
>>    
>>
>
>Try googling for "mailman postfix".
>
>
>  
>
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>



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri May 28 01:15:34 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 01:15:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject line in Invite feature
In-Reply-To: <40B65633.1050104@staple.co.nz>
References: <40B65633.1050104@staple.co.nz>
Message-ID: <p06002002bcdc2701be58@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:57 AM +1200 2004/05/28, Gwilym Griffith-Jones wrote:

>  Does anybody know if it is possible to change the subject line when you
>  use the 'invite' feature? Currently it uses a subject line like this
>  'confirm 06fe83d25ae0bdb0c55a2fc336da634c4ccdc957', I am worried people
>  will treat it as spam due to it's random nature.

	This has been discussed before.  See the archives.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri May 28 01:15:53 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 01:15:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <200405271320500245.1265225A@mail.155e.com>
References: <200405271320500245.1265225A@mail.155e.com>
Message-ID: <p06002003bcdc271fc576@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:20 PM -0400 2004/05/27, PC Specialties Inc wrote:

>  Has anyone thought of numbering the attachments so they match the 
>topic list ?

	In what way?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From John at vqis.net  Fri May 28 05:59:18 2004
From: John at vqis.net (John S. Strock)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:59:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing "on behalf of"
Message-ID: <011e01c44468$27132470$800101df@Tiger1>

Hey All,
 
How do I remove the "On behalf of" in the 'From' field?

 

I want it to either just display the list name/address or a customized
address.  Instead of saying "list-name-bounces at domain.com on behalf of
list-name at domain.com <list-name-boucnes at domain.com>" I just want it to state
list-name at domain.com in the from field (or even be able to customize the
from address).
 
I know it can be done because an old host of mine had it set that way, now I
have my own hosting server and the default install displays it with the "oh
behalf of".

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John

 



From bescher at rsegroup.com  Fri May 28 13:15:34 2004
From: bescher at rsegroup.com (Bob Escher)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 06:15:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Domains
Message-ID: <001f01c444a5$196441f0$43c12145@rsegroup.com>

I have been trying to set up mailman on my new linux box to no avail.
The main concern that I have or need is to have several mailing lists
but I need them under different domain names. I have tried adding these
additional domains under mm-cfg.py and I must be doing something wrong.

Is there someone out there that can send me specific examples of what I need
to do

I am running mailman 2.1.5 and xmail
I would really appreciate it to see examaples rather then the FAQ I tried
doing what it suggested
and I end up with all of my list under one domain.
So a copy and a paste then I can understand it.
Also there was a post somewhere about specific install instructions if
you could repost it again Brad Thank you


Thank you everyone for all the help
Bob Escher






From mehmood_hasan116 at hotmail.com  Fri May 28 13:15:57 2004
From: mehmood_hasan116 at hotmail.com (mehmood hasan)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:15:57 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BAY12-F964WSma339Df00036dc2@hotmail.com>

I configured the mailman using rpm    " mailman-2.1-8.i386.rpm"
and I found following  problems
[root at mail mailman]# service mailman restart
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main
    check_privs()
  File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs
    gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2]
KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found
Plz tell me how can i solve

_________________________________________________________________
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From bruce at brtnet.org  Fri May 28 13:20:07 2004
From: bruce at brtnet.org (Bruce Timberlake)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 04:20:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Multiple Domains
In-Reply-To: <001f01c444a5$196441f0$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
References: <001f01c444a5$196441f0$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
Message-ID: <200405280420.07319.bruce@brtnet.org>

> I have been trying to set up mailman on my new linux box to no
> avail. The main concern that I have or need is to have several
> mailing lists but I need them under different domain names. I have
> tried adding these additional domains under mm-cfg.py and I must be
> doing something wrong.
>
> Is there someone out there that can send me specific examples of
> what I need to do

I found some directions for an older version of Mailman (2.0.9) while 
I was trawling Google for something else. It's a bit specific for the 
Cobalt RaQ servers, but it might give you something to start with. I 
was going to try and tackle it with 2.1.5, but just don't have the 
time right now.

http://www.cobaltfaqs.com/doc/wiki.pl?MailmanRaQ4

If you can use it and make it work with a newer version, I'd love to 
see your "final steps"... or maybe you could even update my wiki 
page... :)



From forsythe at chem.iupui.edu  Fri May 28 17:13:41 2004
From: forsythe at chem.iupui.edu (Kelsey Forsythe)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:13:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] verifications lost
Message-ID: <9AA4ACFE-B0B9-11D8-AE14-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>

First, after adding myself to a mailman group an hour later the 
verification message appeared.

I then added another email account I have and while the mail.log file 
indicates it was accepted for delivery I never received it .  I have 
sent mail to this account to verify it does receive mail.

Below find the two delivery notifications from the mail.log file.

I think I can change the cron execution to take care of the delay.  
Where is the cron file for MailMan?

As to the second mail,  I don't understand why I did not receive it.  
The delay is different for the two
mails.  What does 'delay' mean?

First verification (received):

May 27 17:00:05 atom postfix/smtpd[20643]: 7B1779419F7: 
client=localhost[127.0.0
.1]
May 27 17:00:05 atom postfix/cleanup[20593]: 7B1779419F7: 
message-id=<mailman.0.
1085695204.20646.mmodlist at atom.chem.iupui.edu>
May 27 17:00:05 atom postfix/smtpd[20643]: disconnect from 
localhost[127.0.0.1]
May 27 17:00:05 atom postfix/qmgr[20150]: 7B1779419F7: 
from=<mmodlist-bounces at at
om.chem.iupui.edu>, size=1980, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
May 27 17:00:06 atom postfix/smtp[20647]: 7B1779419F7: 
to=<kforsyth at iupui.edu>,
relay=external-relay.iupui.edu[129.79.1.64], delay=1, status=sent (250 
2.0.0 i4R
LmoIx024710 Message accepted for delivery)

Second verification (not received):

May 27 21:06:56 atom postfix/smtpd[23064]: 8BEE6943C97: 
client=localhost[127.0.0
.1]
May 27 21:06:56 atom postfix/cleanup[23087]: 8BEE6943C97: 
message-id=<mailman.0.
1085710015.23086.mmodlist at atom.chem.iupui.edu>
May 27 21:06:56 atom postfix/smtpd[23064]: disconnect from 
localhost[127.0.0.1]
May 27 21:06:56 atom postfix/qmgr[20150]: 8BEE6943C97: 
from=<mmodlist-bounces at at
om.chem.iupui.edu>, size=1986, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
May 27 21:06:58 atom postfix/smtp[23089]: 8BEE6943C97: 
to=<molmod at sbcglobal.net>
, relay=sbcmx2.prodigy.net[207.115.63.85], delay=2, status=sent (250 
2.0.0 i4S1t
i6r048410 Message accepted for delivery)


Thanks

Kelsey




Kelsey Forsythe, PhD
Director, Computational Molecular Science Facility
IUPUI Chemistry
LD 320
402 North Blackford St.
Indianapolis, IN 46202
Ph: 317-278-2202
Fax: 317-274-4701




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri May 28 20:31:54 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 19:31:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] verifications lost
In-Reply-To: <9AA4ACFE-B0B9-11D8-AE14-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>
References: <9AA4ACFE-B0B9-11D8-AE14-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>
Message-ID: <4B9171A7-B0D5-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

You need to check the Mailman's logs to see evidence of messages being 
handled. The information in Mailman's logs should tie in with the 
inbound and outbound MTA log(s) to give a fuller picture of events in 
the life of each message.

Assuming you are running MM 2.1.x (you do not mention what version you 
are running) you can also check to see if there are any messages stuck 
in subdirectories of the MM qfiles directory and you can verify that 
the MM daemons are running using the command ps -aef | grep qrunner

On 28 May 2004, at 16:13, Kelsey Forsythe wrote:

> First, after adding myself to a mailman group an hour later the 
> verification message appeared.
>
> I then added another email account I have and while the mail.log file 
> indicates it was accepted for delivery I never received it .  I have 
> sent mail to this account to verify it does receive mail.
>
> Below find the two delivery notifications from the mail.log file.
>
> I think I can change the cron execution to take care of the delay.  
> Where is the cron file for MailMan?
>
> As to the second mail,  I don't understand why I did not receive it.  
> The delay is different for the two
> mails.  What does 'delay' mean?
>
> First verification (received):
>
> May 27 17:00:05 atom postfix/smtpd[20643]: 7B1779419F7: 
> client=localhost[127.0.0
> .1]
> May 27 17:00:05 atom postfix/cleanup[20593]: 7B1779419F7: 
> message-id=<mailman.0.
> 1085695204.20646.mmodlist at atom.chem.iupui.edu>
> May 27 17:00:05 atom postfix/smtpd[20643]: disconnect from 
> localhost[127.0.0.1]
> May 27 17:00:05 atom postfix/qmgr[20150]: 7B1779419F7: 
> from=<mmodlist-bounces at at
> om.chem.iupui.edu>, size=1980, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> May 27 17:00:06 atom postfix/smtp[20647]: 7B1779419F7: 
> to=<kforsyth at iupui.edu>,
> relay=external-relay.iupui.edu[129.79.1.64], delay=1, status=sent (250 
> 2.0.0 i4R
> LmoIx024710 Message accepted for delivery)
>
> Second verification (not received):
>
> May 27 21:06:56 atom postfix/smtpd[23064]: 8BEE6943C97: 
> client=localhost[127.0.0
> .1]
> May 27 21:06:56 atom postfix/cleanup[23087]: 8BEE6943C97: 
> message-id=<mailman.0.
> 1085710015.23086.mmodlist at atom.chem.iupui.edu>
> May 27 21:06:56 atom postfix/smtpd[23064]: disconnect from 
> localhost[127.0.0.1]
> May 27 21:06:56 atom postfix/qmgr[20150]: 8BEE6943C97: 
> from=<mmodlist-bounces at at
> om.chem.iupui.edu>, size=1986, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> May 27 21:06:58 atom postfix/smtp[23089]: 8BEE6943C97: 
> to=<molmod at sbcglobal.net>
> , relay=sbcmx2.prodigy.net[207.115.63.85], delay=2, status=sent (250 
> 2.0.0 i4S1t
> i6r048410 Message accepted for delivery)
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Kelsey
>
>
>
>
> Kelsey Forsythe, PhD
> Director, Computational Molecular Science Facility
> IUPUI Chemistry
> LD 320
> 402 North Blackford St.
> Indianapolis, IN 46202
> Ph: 317-278-2202
> Fax: 317-274-4701




From Darren.Young at gsb.uchicago.edu  Fri May 28 22:41:54 2004
From: Darren.Young at gsb.uchicago.edu (Young, Darren)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:41:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0.11 to 2.1.5
Message-ID: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C6681@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>

I'm in the middle of planning an upgrade of our mailman installation and
was looking for some pointers. The current version is 2.0.11 and I'm
planning on going to the current 2.1.5. I'm actually moving the
installation from an older desktop system to a newer server at which
time I want to upgrade to the newer version. The target machine is a
RedHat Enterprise 3.0 AS server with everything up2date(d). Stock RH
sendmail. All this machine is doing is listmail.
 
First question on the move of machines, should I a) rsync everything
over to the new server and just go or b) install from scratch on the new
server. Any advice here would be great. What about the old lists? Simply
copy the lists/* directory over? I tried the fresh install on the new
server then copied over lists/* to the new machine (and /etc/aliases)
and all seems to be ok so far.
 
Next, on the upgrade. Same basic questions, should I a) upgrade the
previous version on disk or b) start from scratch and somehow import the
lists over?
 
Anyone who's done this type of upgrade, advice and pointers would be
much appreciated.
 
Thanks,
 
Darren Young
Senior UNIX Administrator
University of Chicago
Graduate School of Business
darren.young at gsb.uchicago.edu
Voice: 773-702-0331
 


From bruce at brtnet.org  Fri May 28 23:43:31 2004
From: bruce at brtnet.org (Bruce Timberlake)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:43:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Upgrade from 2.0.11 to 2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C6681@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C6681@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <200405281443.31889.bruce@brtnet.org>

> I'm in the middle of planning an upgrade of our mailman
> installation and was looking for some pointers. The current version
> is 2.0.11 and I'm planning on going to the current 2.1.5. I'm
> actually moving the installation from an older desktop system to a
> newer server 

I just did a 2.0.3 to 2.1.5 same-server upgrade last night. It seemed 
to go fairly smoothly - I did a clean install and then copied lists/* 
and archives/* to the new directories. I'm always leery of 
upgrades-in-place... some sort of cruft always seems to get left 
behind.

I made sure to shut down the old mailman and sendmail, kill all 
processes, and flush the old queue.

The main gotcha that took me a while to figure out (it was *early* in 
the morning by the time I did this!) was the extra lines that needed 
to be added for each list to virtusertable (the server is running 
Sendmail) - the 2.0.x versions seemed to have fewer addresses per 
list. Without some of the new entries - like listname-bounces - no 
outbound mail was being processed. Got stuck for a while on thinking 
smrsh and the mailman wrapper was the problem... 

The server had about 55 lists on it; rather than type out all the 
virtusertable entries by hand, I wrote an ugly little Perl script to 
read through a file containing the list names and spit out another 
file containing all the virtusertable entries. Here it is - maybe it 
will save you some time!

- - - - -

#!/usr/bin/perl

# Script to generate virtusertable entries
# for Mailman 2.1.5
#
# (c) 2004 by Bruce Timberlake <bruce at brtnet dot org>
# 
# create all-lists.txt with
#
#    bin/list_lists -b > all-lists.txt

$listfile = "all-lists.txt";
$virtfile = "virt-file.txt";
$hostname = "\@www.example.com";

open INPUT,  "<$listfile" or die "Can't open $listfile: $!\n";
open OUTPUT, ">$virtfile" or die "Can't open $virtfile: $!\n";

while (<INPUT>) {
	chomp;
	print OUTPUT "## List: $_\n";
	print OUTPUT "$_$hostname\t$_\n";
	print OUTPUT "$_-admin$hostname\t$_-admin\n";
	print OUTPUT "$_-bounces$hostname\t$_-bounces\n";
	print OUTPUT "$_-confirm$hostname\t$_-confirm\n";
	print OUTPUT "$_-join$hostname\t$_-join\n";
	print OUTPUT "$_-leave$hostname\t$_-leave\n";
	print OUTPUT "$_-owner$hostname\t$_-owner\n";
	print OUTPUT "$_-request$hostname\t$_-request\n";
	print OUTPUT "$_-subscribe$hostname\t$_-subscribe\n";
	print OUTPUT "$_-unsubscribe$hostname\t$_-unsubscribe\n";
	print OUTPUT "\n";
}
close OUTPUT;
close INPUT;

- - - - -

I told you it was ugly! :)  But it was about 3 am when I did it, so... 
I generated the all-lists.txt file by using "bin/list_lists -b" in 
the new Mailman install after I copied the lists etc. across. Then I 
opened virtusertable in vi, manually deleted the old entries for the 
2.0.3 install and imported virt-file.txt. A quick makemap, restarting 
sendmail and Mailman, and all was well.

Since you're switching machines, you'll need to deal with a DNS 
changeover, and maybe editing mm_cfg.py to change the hostname etc. 
Or are you going to use the old domain name on the new server, so 
that the list address domain stays the same? I didn't have to deal 
with that, so I can't comment.



From embrey at hood.edu  Sat May 29 00:37:08 2004
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:37:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages being shunt
Message-ID: <93a684ae90560c4fab8271447f325334@hermes.hood.edu>

I have RedHat 9 running mailman rpm 2.1.1-5 with python 2.2.2-26. I have
several lists one has 12 addresses, the others have about 500. I have
mailman configured for 100 recipients per message. When I send to the
smaller list the messages are always delivered but if I were to send the
exact same message to the larger list some receive it but most don't. I
get this error message in my mailman smtp log:

 

SMTP

 

May 28 09:20:25 2004 (870)
<mailman.28.1085750423.867.hood_all at helios.hood.edu> smtp for 1 recips,
completed in 0.759 seconds

May 28 09:21:01 2004 (870)
<mailman.40.1085750459.866.hood_all at helios.hood.edu> smtp for 1 recips,
completed in 0.024 seconds

May 28 09:21:37 2004 (870)
<mailman.29.1085750496.867.hood_all at helios.hood.edu> smtp for 1 recips,
completed in 0.032 seconds

May 28 09:22:01 2004 (870)
<mailman.41.1085750519.866.hood_all at helios.hood.edu> smtp for 1 recips,
completed in 0.053 seconds

May 28 09:23:01 2004 (870)
<mailman.42.1085750579.866.mailman at helios.hood.edu> smtp for 1 recips,
completed in 0.091 seconds

May 28 10:33:40 2004 (870) All recipients refused: [Errno 104]
Connection reset by peer

May 28 10:33:40 2004 (870) All recipients refused: please run connect()
first

May 28 10:47:02 2004 (870) All recipients refused: please run connect()
first

May 28 10:47:02 2004 (870) All recipients refused: please run connect()
first

 

This server has been running great until 2 days ago and no changes had
been made other than updating httpd to 2.0.40-21.11. What does this
error mean, what caused it, and how do I correct it?

 

Bruce Embrey

 

Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Systems Manager 
Campus Email Admin / NETREG : UNIX / Linux Administrator 
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927

 





From Darren.Young at gsb.uchicago.edu  Sat May 29 00:43:53 2004
From: Darren.Young at gsb.uchicago.edu (Young, Darren)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:43:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Upgrade from 2.0.11 to 2.1.5
Message-ID: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C6688@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>



> Since you're switching machines, you'll need to deal with a DNS 
> changeover, and maybe editing mm_cfg.py to change the hostname etc. 
> Or are you going to use the old domain name on the new server, so 
> that the list address domain stays the same? I didn't have to deal 
> with that, so I can't comment.

Keep the old name, the name that's attached to the new box is for the
time, once it hits production I'll reconfig for the old hostname.

------------------------------------------------------
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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/



From bescher at rsegroup.com  Sat May 29 01:13:12 2004
From: bescher at rsegroup.com (Bob Escher)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:13:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages being shunt
References: <93a684ae90560c4fab8271447f325334@hermes.hood.edu>
Message-ID: <008301c44509$59c34c50$43c12145@rsegroup.com>


I don't have the answer to your question
but do you have these list separated
into different domains?
If so I would like to ask how you did it

Thanks

Bob Escher

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Embrey" <embrey at hood.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 5:37 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages being shunt


I have RedHat 9 running mailman rpm 2.1.1-5 with python 2.2.2-26. I have
several lists one has 12 addresses, the others have about 500. I have
mailman configured for 100 recipients per message. When I send to the
smaller list the messages are always delivered but if I were to send the
exact same message to the larger list some receive it but most don't. I
get this error message in my mailman smtp log:



SMTP



May 28 09:20:25 2004 (870)
<mailman.28.1085750423.867.hood_all at helios.hood.edu> smtp for 1 recips,
completed in 0.759 seconds

May 28 09:21:01 2004 (870)
<mailman.40.1085750459.866.hood_all at helios.hood.edu> smtp for 1 recips,
completed in 0.024 seconds

May 28 09:21:37 2004 (870)
<mailman.29.1085750496.867.hood_all at helios.hood.edu> smtp for 1 recips,
completed in 0.032 seconds

May 28 09:22:01 2004 (870)
<mailman.41.1085750519.866.hood_all at helios.hood.edu> smtp for 1 recips,
completed in 0.053 seconds

May 28 09:23:01 2004 (870)
<mailman.42.1085750579.866.mailman at helios.hood.edu> smtp for 1 recips,
completed in 0.091 seconds

May 28 10:33:40 2004 (870) All recipients refused: [Errno 104]
Connection reset by peer

May 28 10:33:40 2004 (870) All recipients refused: please run connect()
first

May 28 10:47:02 2004 (870) All recipients refused: please run connect()
first

May 28 10:47:02 2004 (870) All recipients refused: please run connect()
first



This server has been running great until 2 days ago and no changes had
been made other than updating httpd to 2.0.40-21.11. What does this
error mean, what caused it, and how do I correct it?



Bruce Embrey



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From YORKB at exchange.nku.edu  Sat May 29 05:31:59 2004
From: YORKB at exchange.nku.edu (Brian York)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 23:31:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] replies going to testlist-bounces
Message-ID: <679A3DFCC7B15740952D1F11635B09370192E7D6@exchange1.nku.edu>

When i reply to a post on a list it is directed to testlist-bounces@ why is
this and how can i fix it.

Brian



From mailman at johnsboro.net  Sat May 29 07:57:52 2004
From: mailman at johnsboro.net (John Wright)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 01:57:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Assistance
Message-ID: <2179.24.53.247.89.1085810272.squirrel@www.johnsboro.com>

Hey folks. I have been trying to install Mailman on a Linux box for a long
while now and I am not getting anywhere.

Like I said, it's a Linux server running Apache 2 and all of the lastest
software installs.

Could anyone recommend someone trustworthy to help install this on my
server? I retain full admin SSH rights and setting up a temp SSH account
won't be a problem. I might even offer some free web hosting to whoever
can help.

Anyway, I'd appreciate any help you kind folks could offer.

John Wright
Kentucky



From mtau at cox.net  Sat May 29 08:11:41 2004
From: mtau at cox.net (Manny Tau)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 23:11:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] replies going to testlist-bounces
In-Reply-To: <679A3DFCC7B15740952D1F11635B09370192E7D6@exchange1.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <HCEJIAICONNMKIGDKLKMAEFNOOAA.mtau@cox.net>

>>When i reply to a post on a list it is directed to testlist-bounces@ why
is
>>this and how can i fix it.

This is a known issue, and no real fix yet. I tried the hack, but it didn't
work for me, Mailman 2.1.5 on a RaQ 550 server running Linux.

Here's the info:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp

Manny




From peacebwitchu at yahoo.com  Sat May 29 15:34:34 2004
From: peacebwitchu at yahoo.com (peace bwitchu)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 06:34:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any problems with groupwise and mailman.
Message-ID: <20040529133434.12747.qmail@web50504.mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know of any problems between groupwise and
mailman?  It generally takes between 10 and 45 minutes
for me to recieve posts from my list through groupwise
but anywhere else recieves in lightning times.  I
didn't know if mailman might be throwing something
into the header that groupwise chokes on or if it is
just a problem with 
groupwise in general or if it is just or groupwise
that doesn't like it very much.  No mail is ever lost
it just takes a long time.  I seem to get the
administrative emails from mailman very quickly in
groupwise though????
anyway I'm using postfix and mailman 2.1.5 but this
has been happening for awhile.   


Thanks


	
		
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 29 15:41:12 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 15:41:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Domains
In-Reply-To: <001f01c444a5$196441f0$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
References: <001f01c444a5$196441f0$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
Message-ID: <p06002006bcde42e60fab@[10.43.1.36]>

At 6:15 AM -0500 2004/05/28, Bob Escher wrote:

>  I have been trying to set up mailman on my new linux box to no avail.
>  The main concern that I have or need is to have several mailing lists
>  but I need them under different domain names. I have tried adding these
>  additional domains under mm-cfg.py and I must be doing something wrong.

	This sort of stuff depends on what MTA you're using.  For 
example, if you're using postfix, then you need to read the 
README.POSTFIX file that comes in the Mailman tarball -- all the 
information you need should be there.  The same should be true for 
the other MTAs and their respective README.whatever files.

	Alternatively, you can search through the archives looking for 
"virtual domains" or "multiple domains" or whatever, but you're 
likely to be looking for a while.  I just spent thirty minutes trying 
to find good examples to point you at, and ultimately ended up at the 
same README.POSTFIX file myself.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 29 15:49:51 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 15:49:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] verifications lost
In-Reply-To: <9AA4ACFE-B0B9-11D8-AE14-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>
References: <9AA4ACFE-B0B9-11D8-AE14-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002008bcde441f58d0@[10.43.1.36]>

At 10:13 AM -0500 2004/05/28, Kelsey Forsythe wrote:

>  I think I can change the cron execution to take care of the delay.  Where
>  is the cron file for MailMan?

	Mailman 2.1 doesn't use cron.  It has qrunner jobs that are under 
the control of mailmanctl, which runs them whenever they are needed.

>  As to the second mail,  I don't understand why I did not receive it.
>  The delay is different for the two mails.  What does 'delay' mean?

	Well, "delay=1" means that the message spent anywhere up to an 
entire whole second (or there abouts) between when it come into the 
system and when it was accepted by the remote end.  Since one second 
is the resolution of the clock that is used for reporting this data, 
you probably won't ever see much of anything shorter.

	A "delay=2" means that the message spent at least an entire whole 
second in the system, and closer to two entire seconds.

	You should read the postfix documentation to get this kind of 
information, since this mailing list is for supporting Mailman, not 
postfix.

>  Second verification (not received):
>
>  May 27 21:06:56 atom postfix/smtpd[23064]: 8BEE6943C97:
>  client=localhost[127.0.0.1]
>  May 27 21:06:56 atom postfix/cleanup[23087]: 8BEE6943C97:
>  message-id=<mailman.0.1085710015.23086.mmodlist at atom.chem.iupui.edu>
>  May 27 21:06:56 atom postfix/smtpd[23064]: disconnect from
>  localhost[127.0.0.1]
>  May 27 21:06:56 atom postfix/qmgr[20150]: 8BEE6943C97:
>  from=<mmodlist-bounces at atom.chem.iupui.edu>, size=1986, nrcpt=1
>  (queue active)
>  May 27 21:06:58 atom postfix/smtp[23089]: 8BEE6943C97:
>  to=<molmod at sbcglobal.net>, relay=sbcmx2.prodigy.net[207.115.63.85],
>  delay=2, status=sent (250 2.0.0 i4S1ti6r048410 Message accepted for
>  delivery)

	Complain to the people at sbcglobal.  Give them this log 
information and ask them to find out what happened to this message. 
No one else is going to be able to answer this question, since they 
would need access to the internal log data at sbcglobal.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 29 15:52:38 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 15:52:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0.11 to 2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C6681@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C6681@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002009bcde45b7b860@[10.43.1.36]>

At 3:41 PM -0500 2004/05/28, Young, Darren wrote:

>  I'm in the middle of planning an upgrade of our mailman installation and
>  was looking for some pointers.

	You can take a look at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.004.htp>.

>  First question on the move of machines, should I a) rsync everything
>  over to the new server and just go or b) install from scratch on the new
>  server. Any advice here would be great. What about the old lists? Simply
>  copy the lists/* directory over? I tried the fresh install on the new
>  server then copied over lists/* to the new machine (and /etc/aliases)
>  and all seems to be ok so far.

	See above.

	Alternative, you could do the install on the new machine "clean", 
then re-create all the configuration items for all the lists.  When 
you're done, you can import the subscriber list and the archives from 
the old lists.

>  Next, on the upgrade. Same basic questions, should I a) upgrade the
>  previous version on disk or b) start from scratch and somehow import the
>  lists over?

	I don't like trying to do upgrades over a previous version, but 
maybe that's just me.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 29 15:56:38 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 15:56:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] replies going to testlist-bounces
In-Reply-To: <679A3DFCC7B15740952D1F11635B09370192E7D6@exchange1.nku.edu>
References: <679A3DFCC7B15740952D1F11635B09370192E7D6@exchange1.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600200bbcde46aff292@[10.43.1.36]>

At 11:31 PM -0400 2004/05/28, Brian York wrote:

>  When i reply to a post on a list it is directed to testlist-bounces@ why is
>  this and how can i fix it.

	Sounds like you're replying to the envelope sender address.  This 
is typically an example of a badly configured recipient MTA or mail 
gateway which misinterprets the envelope sender address and puts that 
information somewhere that the mail client thinks should be used for 
replies.  This can also occur with a badly configured mail client 
which is picking up the wrong value.

	However, both of these issues are likely to be specific to your 
particular MTA or mail client, and you'd be more likely to get useful 
help from mailing lists specific to them.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 29 15:54:31 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 15:54:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages being shunt
In-Reply-To: <93a684ae90560c4fab8271447f325334@hermes.hood.edu>
References: <93a684ae90560c4fab8271447f325334@hermes.hood.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600200abcde463cd7a2@[10.43.1.36]>

At 6:37 PM -0400 2004/05/28, Bruce Embrey wrote:

>  May 28 09:23:01 2004 (870)
>  <mailman.42.1085750579.866.mailman at helios.hood.edu> smtp for 1 recips,
>  completed in 0.091 seconds

	All these were fine, up to here.

>  May 28 10:33:40 2004 (870) All recipients refused: [Errno 104]
>  Connection reset by peer
>
>  May 28 10:33:40 2004 (870) All recipients refused: please run connect()
>  first
>
>  May 28 10:47:02 2004 (870) All recipients refused: please run connect()
>  first
>
>  May 28 10:47:02 2004 (870) All recipients refused: please run connect()
>  first

	Looks like youv'e got a problem on your local MTA.  You'd need to 
take a look at the logs for your machine to see what happened -- 
maybe the load average was too high and it was refusing connections, 
maybe the daemon died, who knows?

	However, most of these issues are likely to be specific to your 
MTA, or your OS.  You'd be more likely to get useful help on a 
mailing list specific to them.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 29 15:43:48 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 15:43:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <BAY12-F964WSma339Df00036dc2@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY12-F964WSma339Df00036dc2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06002007bcde43953897@[10.43.1.36]>

At 4:15 PM +0500 2004/05/28, mehmood hasan wrote:

>  KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found

	If you search the archives for this string, you quickly come up 
with 
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-June/029911.html>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 29 16:11:13 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 16:11:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any problems with groupwise and
 mailman.
In-Reply-To: <20040529133434.12747.qmail@web50504.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040529133434.12747.qmail@web50504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200cbcde47cc3581@[10.43.1.36]>

At 6:34 AM -0700 2004/05/29, peace bwitchu wrote:

>  Does anyone know of any problems between groupwise and
>  mailman?  It generally takes between 10 and 45 minutes
>  for me to recieve posts from my list through groupwise
>  but anywhere else recieves in lightning times.

	Hmm.  No, haven't heard anything specifically about this.

	Do you have any kind of log data that you can show us, both from 
the mailing list server and within the groupwise system?

>                              I seem to get the
>  administrative emails from mailman very quickly in
>  groupwise though????

	Hmm.  That might be an issue with groupwise trying to deal with 
large numbers of recipients for a message to the mailing list, 
whereas it works a lot faster with messages that have only one 
recipient.  However, going to full personalization (with or without 
VERP) might not help this situation, since you would then be storing 
many more copies of that message within the groupwise system -- 
individual messages might be handled faster, but the overall load on 
the system might be much higher.

	Of course, this is all just guesswork, without any real idea of 
how groupwise works internally.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From jp at warpix.org  Sat May 29 16:20:16 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 15:20:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stopping uncaught bounce notifications
Message-ID: <20040529152016.R84@warpix.org>


How do I go about stopping 'Uncaught bounce notifications' ?


-- 
John





From peacebwitchu at yahoo.com  Sat May 29 16:23:54 2004
From: peacebwitchu at yahoo.com (peace bwitchu)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 07:23:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any problems with groupwise and mailman.
In-Reply-To: <p0600200cbcde47cc3581@[10.43.1.36]>
Message-ID: <20040529142355.82070.qmail@web50507.mail.yahoo.com>

 
--- Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be> wrote:
> At 6:34 AM -0700 2004/05/29, peace bwitchu wrote:
> 
> >  Does anyone know of any problems between
> groupwise and
> >  mailman?  It generally takes between 10 and 45
> minutes
> >  for me to recieve posts from my list through
> groupwise
> >  but anywhere else recieves in lightning times.
> 
> 	Hmm.  No, haven't heard anything specifically about
> this.
> 
> 	Do you have any kind of log data that you can show
> us, both from 
> the mailing list server and within the groupwise
> system?
> 
> >                              I seem to get the
> >  administrative emails from mailman very quickly
> in
> >  groupwise though????
> 
> 	Hmm.  That might be an issue with groupwise trying
> to deal with 
> large numbers of recipients for a message to the
> mailing list, 
> whereas it works a lot faster with messages that
> have only one 
> recipient.  However, going to full personalization
> (with or without 
> VERP) might not help this situation, since you would
> then be storing 
> many more copies of that message within the
> groupwise system -- 
> individual messages might be handled faster, but the
> overall load on 
> the system might be much higher.
> 
> 	Of course, this is all just guesswork, without any
> real idea of 
> how groupwise works internally.
> 
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> 
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
> little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of
> Pennsylvania.
> 
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See
> <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.

Mailman and Postfix thinks everything is fine and so
does the other mailservers that our lists sends to.
When a message is submitted it is show the normal
message being sent and the server accept it then 45
minutes later I get it in my groupwise account nothing
in my logs that indicate anything weird.  I believe it
is something in our groupwise server.  Just wanted to
make sure there wasn't any known issues with the two. 
Also there is only 2 recepients being sent to this
server so I don't think it's being overly worked.
I don't have access to the groupwise server or know
its internal workings either.  Thanks



	
		
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 29 17:05:56 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 17:05:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stopping uncaught bounce notifications
In-Reply-To: <20040529152016.R84@warpix.org>
References: <20040529152016.R84@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <p0600200dbcde56c3b75b@[10.43.1.36]>

At 3:20 PM +0100 2004/05/29, John Poltorak wrote:

>  How do I go about stopping 'Uncaught bounce notifications' ?

	There's not really much you can do.  These are bounces that came 
back to the mailing list system, but they are not in one of the 
formats that Mailman has been programmed to deal with.

	If you're getting a whole lot of them, you could find out what 
the format (or formats) is/are and how to properly deal with them. 
Then, you could contribute to Mailman either Python code to handle 
the situation, or at least the knowledge to the group in the hopes 
that someone else will be able to write the Python code in question.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sat May 29 17:17:38 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 11:17:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stopping uncaught bounce notifications
In-Reply-To: <p0600200dbcde56c3b75b@[10.43.1.36]>
References: <20040529152016.R84@warpix.org>
	<p0600200dbcde56c3b75b@[10.43.1.36]>
Message-ID: <20040529151738.GC5558@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 3:20 PM +0100 2004/05/29, John Poltorak wrote:
>>
>> How do I go about stopping 'Uncaught bounce notifications' ?
>
> 	There's not really much you can do.  These are bounces that came 
> back to the mailing list system, but they are not in one of the 
> formats that Mailman has been programmed to deal with.
>
> 	If you're getting a whole lot of them, you could find out what 
> the format (or formats) is/are and how to properly deal with them. 
> Then, you could contribute to Mailman either Python code to handle 
> the situation, or at least the knowledge to the group in the hopes 
> that someone else will be able to write the Python code in question.

Failing that, you can set the option the Bounce processing page to not
send these notices to the list owner.  I'm not sure I'd want to do
that, but if you get nothing but spam as uncaught bounces, it might be
the best option you have.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
A facility for quotation covers the absence of original thought.
    -- Peter Wimsey

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From jp at warpix.org  Sat May 29 17:29:06 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 16:29:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stopping uncaught bounce notifications
In-Reply-To: <20040529151738.GC5558@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>;
	from Todd on Sat, May 29, 2004 at 11:17:38AM -0400
References: <20040529152016.R84@warpix.org>
	<p0600200dbcde56c3b75b@[10.43.1.36]>
	<20040529151738.GC5558@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <20040529162906.S84@warpix.org>

> Failing that, you can set the option the Bounce processing page to not
> send these notices to the list owner.  I'm not sure I'd want to do
> that, but if you get nothing but spam as uncaught bounces, it might be
> the best option you have.


The msgs are invariably about big boobs and viagra... 

Wonder if this msg will get filtered out because of that line...

 
> - -- 
> Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
> ======================================================================
> A facility for quotation covers the absence of original thought.
>     -- Peter Wimsey

-- 
John








From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sat May 29 17:39:04 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 11:39:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stopping uncaught bounce notifications
In-Reply-To: <20040529162906.S84@warpix.org>
References: <20040529152016.R84@warpix.org>
	<p0600200dbcde56c3b75b@[10.43.1.36]>
	<20040529151738.GC5558@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	<20040529162906.S84@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <20040529153904.GD5558@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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John Poltorak wrote:
> The msgs are invariably about big boobs and viagra... 

I get a lot of spam coming to some of my lists bounce address too.  I
hacked the BounceRunner to consult the KNOWN_SPAMMERS variable and
that helps cut down on it a bit.  I'm still not sure if there are ways
that could cause problems for me or not, but it hasn't seemed to so
far.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Show me a politician who does not lie through his teeth, and.....I'll
show you one who can't find his dentures.

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From YORKB at exchange.nku.edu  Sat May 29 21:51:17 2004
From: YORKB at exchange.nku.edu (Brian York)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 15:51:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] replies going to testlist-bounces
Message-ID: <679A3DFCC7B15740952D1F11635B09370192E7D9@exchange1.nku.edu>

I'm using postfix and mailman 2.1.4. I think it's a mailman issue and Manny
Tau says its a "known issue".

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Knowles
To: Brian York
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Sent: 5/29/04 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] replies going to testlist-bounces

At 11:31 PM -0400 2004/05/28, Brian York wrote:

>  When i reply to a post on a list it is directed to testlist-bounces@
why is
>  this and how can i fix it.

	Sounds like you're replying to the envelope sender address.
This 
is typically an example of a badly configured recipient MTA or mail 
gateway which misinterprets the envelope sender address and puts that 
information somewhere that the mail client thinks should be used for 
replies.  This can also occur with a badly configured mail client 
which is picking up the wrong value.

	However, both of these issues are likely to be specific to your 
particular MTA or mail client, and you'd be more likely to get useful 
help from mailing lists specific to them.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat May 29 23:55:39 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 23:55:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] replies going to testlist-bounces
In-Reply-To: <679A3DFCC7B15740952D1F11635B09370192E7D9@exchange1.nku.edu>
References: <679A3DFCC7B15740952D1F11635B09370192E7D9@exchange1.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002000bcdeb6fa8cec@[10.43.1.36]>

At 3:51 PM -0400 2004/05/29, Brian York wrote:

>  I'm using postfix and mailman 2.1.4. I think it's a mailman issue and Manny
>  Tau says its a "known issue".

	Read the FAQ entry that Manny mentioned, at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp>.

	This is a "known issue" with the particular client.  And 
therefore, not a problem with Mailman.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From dojai at ufv.br  Sun May 30 00:58:35 2004
From: dojai at ufv.br (Eduardo Jaime Quiros Batres)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 19:58:35 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] export/import of lists
Message-ID: <1085871515.2164.17.camel@asgard.cpd.ufv.br>

Searching the internet I found several references to just backup (tar or
something similar) my lists and restore them to another place and after
that just changing apache for the new virtual host, DNS, and aliases

but I'm finding some things strange, it seems the filenames are rather
diferent:

OLD server:

version: mailman-2.0.13-1U80_1cl

list of files in /usr/lib/mailman/lists/test:
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root     mailman  1706 Dez 14  2001 admindbpreamble.html
-rw-rw---- 1 mailman  mailman  2900 Mai 29 17:00 config.db
-rw-rw---- 1 mailman  mailman  2900 Mai 29 12:00 config.db.last
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root     mailman   189 Dez 14  2001 handle_opts.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root     mailman  1026 Dez 14  2001 headfoot.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root     mailman  3136 Dez 14  2001 listinfo.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root     mailman  4106 Dez 14  2001 options.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman  mailman     2 Mai 29 17:00 request.db
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root     mailman  1169 Dez 14  2001 roster.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root     mailman   198 Dez 14  2001 subscribe.html

NEW server:

version: mailman-2.1.4-2mdk

lists of files in  /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman:
-rw-rw----  1 mail mail 3415 Mai 29 19:03 config.pck
-rw-rw----  1 mail mail 3415 Mai 29 18:50 config.pck.last

---------------
permissions/owner can be changed easelly but the files are so different!

Does anyone have a script to:
1) export users, import in a new list
2) save passwords of each list and recover (altough the size os the
crypt password if rather diferent I don't want to contact each list
owner
3) export/import history
4) export/import configuration of the list (owner, public/private etc)

Thanks
-- 
Eduardo Jaime Quir?s Batres (dojai at ufv.br)
Suporte e Ap?io ao Usu?rio - CPD - UFV




From tleonardi at fastwebnet.it  Sun May 30 15:02:13 2004
From: tleonardi at fastwebnet.it (Tommaso Leonardi)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 15:02:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman and Postfix
Message-ID: <01a501c44646$53680ec0$229f5c01@TOM>

Hi,
I've a little problem, i hope you can help me :)

I've a Linux Mandrake 10 server with Postfix and Apache. The problem is tha when i create a new ML i get this error:
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in process_request
    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
    _update_maps()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps
    raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Python information:
      Variable Value 
      sys.version 2.3.3 (#2, Feb 17 2004, 11:45:40) [GCC 3.3.2 (Mandrake Linux 10.0 3.3.2-6mdk)]  
      sys.executable /usr/bin/python  
      sys.prefix /usr  
      sys.exec_prefix /usr  
      sys.path /usr  
      sys.platform linux2  




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Environment variables:
      Variable Value 
      HTTP_REFERER  http://itm5.homeip.net/mailman/create  
      SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.31  
      SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/create  
      SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.31 Server at itm5.homeip.net Port 80 
      REQUEST_METHOD  POST  
      SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1  
      QUERY_STRING   
      CONTENT_LENGTH  140  
      HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)  
      HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive  
      HTTP_COOKIE  comunicazioni+admin=280200000069ebaab940732800000032633638333230353362666130373464383833623231323335643935333162626635343836363737; primah+admin=28020000006917d5b940732800000063643765366330356536666436623730373533306663623035663531623034313164636135356365; primah+user+tleonardi--at--fastwebnet.it=; qwe+admin=280200000069acd8b940732800000066336236663966646362393233323563346464353762316236653238373466373466353938646634; lang=italian; phpbb2mysql_data=a%3A2%3A%7Bs%3A11%3A%22autologinid%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A6%3A%22userid%22%3Bs%3A1%3A%222%22%3B%7D; user=MjpGZWFybGVzczpkM2JkNTBhODFmZWFjMzE3ZjZhYWY2OTBkMjkwYmFiODoxMDo6MDowOjA6MDo6NDA5Ng%3D%3D; admin=RmVhcmxlc3M6ZDNiZDUwYTgxZmVhYzMxN2Y2YWFmNjkwZDI5MGJhYjg6aXRhbGlhbg%3D%3D  
      SERVER_NAME  itm5.homeip.net  
      REMOTE_ADDR  62.101.126.217  
      SERVER_PORT  80  
      SERVER_ADDR  82.105.56.188  
      DOCUMENT_ROOT  /home/web/itm5  
      PYTHONPATH  /usr/local/mailman  
      SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create  
      SERVER_ADMIN  itm5 at fastwebnet.it  
      HTTP_HOST  itm5.homeip.net  
      HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL  no-cache  
      REQUEST_URI  /mailman/create  
      HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/x-shockwave-flash, */*  
      GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1  
      REMOTE_PORT  34207  
      HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  it  
      CONTENT_TYPE  application/x-www-form-urlencoded  
      REMOTE_HOST  62-101-126-217.fastres.net  
      HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate  



The first list i create, even if i got the same error, works very well.
The other lists i create are able to sends massages, but whe i try to write to list at domain i receive a MTA error saing that the local user doesn't exist...
I'm sorry if i write in the list with a bad english and without waiting some days after the subscription, but i absolutely need the list working in few days.
Thakyou very much,
Tommaso

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sun May 30 17:09:18 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 11:09:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman and Postfix
In-Reply-To: <01a501c44646$53680ec0$229f5c01@TOM>
References: <01a501c44646$53680ec0$229f5c01@TOM>
Message-ID: <20040530150918.GF5558@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Tommaso Leonardi wrote:
> I've a little problem, i hope you can help me :)
>
> I've a Linux Mandrake 10 server with Postfix and Apache. The problem
> is tha when i create a new ML i get this error:
> Traceback:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
>     process_request(doc, cgidata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in process_request
>     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
>     _update_maps()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps
>     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

See the FAQ or the list archives.  This has been asked and answered on
at least weekly.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
America was born of revolt, flourished on dissent, became great
through experimentation.
    -- Henry Steele Commager

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From aljuhani at zajil.net  Sun May 30 18:22:34 2004
From: aljuhani at zajil.net (aljuhani)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 19:22:34 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news to mail msgs require approval
Message-ID: <000901c44662$5207d1c0$4a252ed4@outbound>

Hello List.

I have some lists importing newsgroups from local news server.
It works ok except that I need to approve each single msg
coming from usenet to the list.
The list is configured for members only.

I tried the fix in the msg below but that produced some errors
and mailman stopped updating.

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg09120.html

Any other way to slove this..

Mailman version is 2.0.13

Thanks in advance.

aljuhani at zajil.net




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun May 30 18:35:34 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 18:35:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman and Postfix
In-Reply-To: <01a501c44646$53680ec0$229f5c01@TOM>
References: <01a501c44646$53680ec0$229f5c01@TOM>
Message-ID: <p06002001bcdfbd17fbab@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:02 PM +0200 2004/05/30, Tommaso Leonardi wrote:

>  RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
>  /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

	If you go to the Mailman FAQ wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and search on things like 
"postalias" or "operation not permitted", you will find your answer.

	In particular, see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp>


	Next time you have a question, you should search the FAQ and the 
archives of the list, before posting.  This is likely to get you a 
useful answer faster, and will reduce the unnecessary traffic on the 
list.

	You can find links to the various Mailman lists at 
<http://www.list.org/lists.html>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun May 30 18:44:45 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 18:44:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news to mail msgs require approval
In-Reply-To: <000901c44662$5207d1c0$4a252ed4@outbound>
References: <000901c44662$5207d1c0$4a252ed4@outbound>
Message-ID: <p06002005bcdfbf9791cf@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:22 PM +0300 2004/05/30, aljuhani wrote:

>  I have some lists importing newsgroups from local news server.
>  It works ok except that I need to approve each single msg
>  coming from usenet to the list.
>  The list is configured for members only.
>
>  I tried the fix in the msg below but that produced some errors
>  and mailman stopped updating.

	I can't speak for how to do this with version 2.0.13.  I do know 
that more recent releases of 2.1.x have fixed this problem (2.1.3 and 
later), because we were doing just fine without any source code 
changes -- articles submitted via e-mail need to be approved or the 
sender needs to be on the approved list, while articles coming in via 
USENET were posted through without needing approval.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From paul at thcwd.com  Sun May 30 21:14:21 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 14:14:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Stopping uncaught bounce notifications
In-Reply-To: <200405291525.i4TFPB130628@svr01.thcwd.com>
References: <200405291525.i4TFPB130628@svr01.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040530140758.01c968c0@127.0.0.1>

On 10:25 AM 5/29/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>How do I go about stopping 'Uncaught bounce notifications' ?

      I seem to recall a suggestion that the spam filter (version 2.1.4 and 
up) could be used to discard these.  Guess I need to learn how to do the 
regexp thing - can anyone point me to a decent how to for that?

<>< Paul



From tleonardi at fastwebnet.it  Sun May 30 21:19:06 2004
From: tleonardi at fastwebnet.it (Tommaso Leonardi)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:19:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman and Postfix
References: <01a501c44646$53680ec0$229f5c01@TOM>
	<p06002001bcdfbd17fbab@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <000e01c4467a$f9a8f310$219f5c01@TOM>

Thakyou very much sir, and sorry if i asked before cheking on the FAQ but
the error page said "Mailman BUG" and i thought it was a bug....

Good night,
Tommaso


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Knowles" <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
To: "Tommaso Leonardi" <tleonardi at fastwebnet.it>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman and Postfix


> At 3:02 PM +0200 2004/05/30, Tommaso Leonardi wrote:
>
> >  RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
> >  /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
>
> If you go to the Mailman FAQ wizard at
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and search on things like
> "postalias" or "operation not permitted", you will find your answer.
>
> In particular, see
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp>
>
>
> Next time you have a question, you should search the FAQ and the
> archives of the list, before posting.  This is likely to get you a
> useful answer faster, and will reduce the unnecessary traffic on the
> list.
>
> You can find links to the various Mailman lists at
> <http://www.list.org/lists.html>.
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>




From jason at data-flow.org.uk  Sun May 30 23:24:59 2004
From: jason at data-flow.org.uk (Jason Shouler)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 22:24:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] High CPU Load
Message-ID: <40BA512B.9040209@data-flow.org.uk>

Can anyone offer any suggestions on resolving a high cpu load with Python.

We're using Mailman 2.1.4, Python 2.3.3, Sendmail & Amavis to support an 
announcement only list of about 40k members on an IBM Netfinity server 
(1 Gb RAM).

During list activity CPU load will often exceed 90% with the load being 
spread fairly evenly between active qrunners (e.g. command, outgoing & 
virgin runners).

This I can live with but what I can't live with is the 98% load 
generated from the web admin interface (driver admin script) which 
effectively makes the interface unusable.   In fact mailmanctl must be 
shut down in order to do any remote administration at all!

I've scoured the archives and also tried most options within 'mm_cfg.py' 
all without success.

It's probably worth pointing out that the same issues existed with 
previous versions of Python and Mailman.

Suggestions anyone? 

-- 
=============================
 Jason Shouler  DATAFLOW
 Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1202-722599
  Mobile : +44 (0)7946-615718
     www.data-flow.org.uk
Linux integration specialists
=============================






From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun May 30 23:59:43 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 23:59:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] High CPU Load
In-Reply-To: <40BA512B.9040209@data-flow.org.uk>
References: <40BA512B.9040209@data-flow.org.uk>
Message-ID: <p06002001bce009221b32@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:24 PM +0100 2004/05/30, Jason Shouler wrote:

>  Can anyone offer any suggestions on resolving a high cpu load with Python.
>
>  We're using Mailman 2.1.4, Python 2.3.3, Sendmail & Amavis to support
>  an announcement only list of about 40k members on an IBM Netfinity
>  server (1 Gb RAM).
>
>  During list activity CPU load will often exceed 90% with the load being
>  spread fairly evenly between active qrunners (e.g. command, outgoing &
>  virgin runners).

	Have you seen the Mailman FAQ entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.041.htp>?

>  This I can live with but what I can't live with is the 98% load generated
>  from the web admin interface (driver admin script) which effectively makes
>  the interface unusable.   In fact mailmanctl must be shut down in order to
>  do any remote administration at all!

	I've seen reports of high load with qrunners, and created the 
above FAQ entry to consolidate the information that I had seen to 
that point in time.  I do not recall seeing reports of high load with 
the web interface, however.

>  I've scoured the archives and also tried most options within 'mm_cfg.py'
>  all without success.
>
>  It's probably worth pointing out that the same issues existed with
>  previous versions of Python and Mailman.

	I'd suggest upgrading to versions 2.1.5, and trying the other 
suggestions recommended by the FAQ.  If one or the other or both of 
those don't solve the problem, please let us know.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon May 31 00:25:24 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 23:25:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] High CPU Load
In-Reply-To: <40BA512B.9040209@data-flow.org.uk>
References: <40BA512B.9040209@data-flow.org.uk>
Message-ID: <3EB67CC6-B288-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 30 May 2004, at 22:24, Jason Shouler wrote:

> Can anyone offer any suggestions on resolving a high cpu load with 
> Python.
>
> We're using Mailman 2.1.4, Python 2.3.3, Sendmail & Amavis to support 
> an announcement only list of about 40k members

It might be worth considering splitting a list with a fairly big set of 
subscribers into a series of sub lists (say alphabetical by subscriber 
name) and making those sublists the subscribers of the main list. 
Mailman uses pickled Python structures for the per-list "databases" 
which with large numbers of subscribers is stretching things a bit.

> on an IBM Netfinity server (1 Gb RAM).

"IBM Netfinity server" does tell us much about what hardware and OS & 
version is supporting things.

>
> During list activity

What do you mean by list activity? Handling a single outgoing post or 
what.

> CPU load will often exceed 90% with the load being spread fairly 
> evenly between active qrunners (e.g. command, outgoing & virgin 
> runners).
>

How many posts per day are you handling via this lists. How much 
subscribe/unsubscribe and list admin activity are you talking about?

Does anything of significance regarding problems show up in the Mailman 
or MTA logs?

> This I can live with but what I can't live with is the 98% load 
> generated from the web admin interface (driver admin script) which 
> effectively makes the interface unusable.

If this is happening when you do web gui list admin stuff on this very 
large list it tends to reinforce my view that breaking that list into a 
top-level list with a series of sublists, each with fewer subscribers, 
might be worthwhile; smaller pickles to load and save.

>   In fact mailmanctl must be shut down in order to do any remote 
> administration at all!
>

Also have you checked for and cleared out any lurking lock files.

> I've scoured the archives and also tried most options within 
> 'mm_cfg.py' all without success.
>

Is outgoing mail via the MTA on the Mailman server? What sort of values 
are are using for SMTP_MAX_RCPTS?

> It's probably worth pointing out that the same issues existed with 
> previous versions of Python and Mailman.
>

Same list, same problem, maybe ...

> Suggestions anyone?
> -- 
> =============================
> Jason Shouler  DATAFLOW
> Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1202-722599
>  Mobile : +44 (0)7946-615718
>     www.data-flow.org.uk
> Linux integration specialists
> =============================




From jason at data-flow.org.uk  Mon May 31 00:57:08 2004
From: jason at data-flow.org.uk (Jason Shouler)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 23:57:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] High CPU Load
In-Reply-To: <p06002001bce009221b32@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <40BA512B.9040209@data-flow.org.uk>
	<p06002001bce009221b32@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40BA66C4.6010003@data-flow.org.uk>

Thanks for the suggestions

>
>   I'd suggest upgrading to versions 2.1.5, and trying the other 
> suggestions recommended by the FAQ.  If one or the other or both of 
> those don't solve the problem, please let us know.
>
Sorry, this was a typo -  we're already up to 2.1.5

The Netfinity (PII 450 single cpu - Twin RAID 5) is running SuSE 8.0

I'll get back to you after further tests.

-- 
=============================
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 Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1202-722599
  Mobile : +44 (0)7946-615718
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Linux integration specialists
=============================






From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 31 01:43:31 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 01:43:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] High CPU Load
In-Reply-To: <40BA66C4.6010003@data-flow.org.uk>
References: <40BA512B.9040209@data-flow.org.uk>
	<p06002001bce009221b32@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40BA66C4.6010003@data-flow.org.uk>
Message-ID: <p06002002bce0210db65b@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:57 PM +0100 2004/05/30, Jason Shouler wrote:

>  Sorry, this was a typo -  we're already up to 2.1.5

	Ahh.

>  The Netfinity (PII 450 single cpu - Twin RAID 5) is running SuSE 8.0

	Hmm.  RAID-5 can cause problems with latency in synchronous 
meta-data update performance.

	Just to be sure, you should also take a look at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.011.htp>, 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.012.htp>, 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.003.htp>, 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.006.htp>, 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.008.htp>.

>  I'll get back to you after further tests.

	Please do.  We may need to update the FAQ entries.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From tommy at zgambo.net  Mon May 31 20:46:29 2004
From: tommy at zgambo.net (Tommyz)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 11:46:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 4
Message-ID: <40BB7D85.8070000@zgambo.net>

Help I've been working on this for a long time I mean long time
reinstall after reinstall i keep getting this error in the end 
the director is there so i dunno what is talking about
I am using apache with sendmail and latest mailman version
i have virtual hosts on the server also its linux 7.2 please help
asap .....Thank you 

Thomas Zgambo jr


The original message was received at Sun, 30 May 2004 23:33:10 +0100
from root at localhost

  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
   (reason: 4)
   (expanded from: <mailman-subscribe at xxxxxx.net>)

  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
No such file or directory
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 4




From paul at thcwd.com  Mon May 31 06:21:12 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 23:21:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: High CPU Load
In-Reply-To: <200405310343.i4V3hO114231@svr01.thcwd.com>
References: <200405310343.i4V3hO114231@svr01.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040530231826.01b83ec0@127.0.0.1>

On 10:43 PM 5/30/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>We're using Mailman 2.1.4, Python 2.3.3, Sendmail & Amavis to support an
>announcement only list of about 40k members on an IBM Netfinity server
>(1 Gb RAM).
>
>During list activity CPU load will often exceed 90% with the load being
>spread fairly evenly between active qrunners (e.g. command, outgoing &
>virgin runners).

      Are you running the list with personalization on?  That would mean 
40k individual e-mails.  Even then 90% CPU seems high - when I do my 4k 
list it take a while, but does not run that high.  Unless I virus scan the 
lot, then the virus scanner eats the CPU alive.

<>< Paul



From stephen.greatbanks at eds.com  Mon May 31 06:23:49 2004
From: stephen.greatbanks at eds.com (Greatbanks, Stephen P)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 14:23:49 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AIX install problems
Message-ID: <48BE7A35FDE3DB4F8D8C5A96101ACA0E0C9F654B@aubwm205.apac.corp.eds.com>

Hi,
	I've been trying to install 2.1.5 (and indeed, 2.1.3) on an AIX 5.2
box with Python 2.2.4 (the version IBM supplies on the Linux toolbox CD).
The code seems to build fine using either xlc or gcc as the compiler, but
either case fails to install in the following way (the same install works
just fine on Fedora);

>Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/ja
>Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/ko
>Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/lt
>Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/nl
>Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/no
>Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/pl
>Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/pt
>Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/pt_BR
>Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/ru
>Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/sr
>Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/sv
>Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/uk
>mkdir: 0653-358 Cannot create /usr/local/mailman/messages/de.
>/usr/local/mailman/messages/de: Do not specify an existing file.
>cp: /usr/local/mailman/messages/de/#inst.1024188#: A parameter must be a
directory.
>make: 1254-004 The error code from the last command is 1.
>
>
>Stop.
>make: 1254-004 The error code from the last command is 2.
>
>
>Stop.

And sure enough at this point, de is a file and not a directory (see below).


$ cd /usr/local/mailman/messages/
$ ls -l
total 128
drwxr-sr-x   2 mailman  mailman         256 May 31 14:11 cs
drwxr-sr-x   2 mailman  mailman         256 May 31 14:11 da
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman         521 May 31 14:11 de
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman        3898 May 31 14:11 es
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman        4409 May 31 14:11 eu
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman         165 May 31 14:11 fi
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman         566 May 31 14:11 fr
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman       10157 May 31 14:11 hu
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman         744 May 31 14:11 it
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman        4683 May 31 14:11 ja
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman         820 May 31 14:11 ko
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman         870 May 31 14:11 pl
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman         490 May 31 14:11 ru
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman        1407 May 31 14:11 sv


Has anybody had any experience with this error (and its resolution)? Has
anybody managed to install any mailman version on AIX 5.x? I have, of course
looked at the FAQ and the mailing list archives and there appears to be
precious little AIX-related information.

Any help appreciated,

Regards,

Steve Greatbanks
-- 




From sbalboa at cica.es  Mon May 31 09:08:36 2004
From: sbalboa at cica.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebasti=E1n_Balboa?=)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 09:08:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Spanish lenguage
Message-ID: <40BAD9F4.9020302@cica.es>

I have been installed mailman version, and work fine, but when I put the 
Spanish language in any configuration list, mailman give me a bug html 
page, or if a message include a la Spanish letter like "?", it give me a 
bug page too.
I want to know if it possible how can i solve this problem.

Well, thank you very much.

Sebastian Balboa



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 31 14:22:39 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 14:22:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AIX install problems
In-Reply-To: <48BE7A35FDE3DB4F8D8C5A96101ACA0E0C9F654B@aubwm205.apac.corp.eds.c
	om>
References: <48BE7A35FDE3DB4F8D8C5A96101ACA0E0C9F654B@aubwm205.apac.corp.eds.c
	om>
Message-ID: <p06002006bce0d1bb7d29@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:23 PM +1000 2004/05/31, Greatbanks, Stephen P wrote:

>  	I've been trying to install 2.1.5 (and indeed, 2.1.3) on an AIX 5.2
>  box with Python 2.2.4 (the version IBM supplies on the Linux toolbox CD).

	Please note Mailman FAQ entry 5.08 at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.008.htp>.

>  Has anybody had any experience with this error (and its resolution)? Has
>  anybody managed to install any mailman version on AIX 5.x? I have, of course
>  looked at the FAQ and the mailing list archives and there appears to be
>  precious little AIX-related information.

	As for the rest, I fear I am unable to help.  I don't have 
experience with AIX, and I know very few people who do.  However, I 
do know a couple of people who might, and I'm going to try to direct 
them your way.

	If you find any solutions to your problems, please let us know!

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon May 31 14:41:50 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 14:41:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 4
In-Reply-To: <40BB7D85.8070000@zgambo.net>
References: <40BB7D85.8070000@zgambo.net>
Message-ID: <p06002009bce0d7cfe9fe@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:46 AM -0700 2004/05/31, Tommyz wrote:

>  Help I've been working on this for a long time I mean long time
>  reinstall after reinstall i keep getting this error in the end the
>  director is there so i dunno what is talking about
>  I am using apache with sendmail and latest mailman version
>  i have virtual hosts on the server also its linux 7.2 please help
>  asap .....Thank you

	Searching the archives for "No such file or directory" and 
"unknown mailer error 4", the most relevant threads I can find for 
you start with the messages at 
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-March/027108.html>, 
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-March/027136.html>, 
and 
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-July/030600.html>.


	This looks like a problem with the sendmail chroot environment, 
presumably not knowing how to reach outside of the chroot to get to 
the Mailman files.

	However, this is really a problem with sendmail and not Mailman. 
You'd be more likely to get useful help by consulting the mailing 
lists and newsgroups that are specific to sendmail and your OS -- the 
Mailman parts of this problem are most likely to be okay.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Sat May 29 12:19:12 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 12:19:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing "on behalf of"
References: <011e01c44468$27132470$800101df@Tiger1>
Message-ID: <alm.20040529121915.20397@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

"John S. Strock" schrieb:

> How do I remove the "On behalf of" in the 'From' field?

There *is* no "on behalf of" in the Fom:-field. You just have to use a
client that does not show it that way.

-thh




From dandrews at visi.com  Mon May 31 21:09:25 2004
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 14:09:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply Command Acting Weird
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040531140719.02598d58@pop.visi.com>

I am running Mailman version 2.1.5.  I have a couple users reporting that when they use the "Reply" command in their mail program, that both the list address, and the sender of the original message, addresses are put there.  I have Mailman set to set reply to the list, so the sender shouldn't be there.  One user uses PM Mail, another Outlook Express.

Any ideas?

David Andrews




From jason at data-flow.org.uk  Mon May 31 21:59:58 2004
From: jason at data-flow.org.uk (Jason Shouler)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 20:59:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] High CPU Load
In-Reply-To: <3EB67CC6-B288-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <40BA512B.9040209@data-flow.org.uk>
	<3EB67CC6-B288-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <40BB8EBE.6040109@data-flow.org.uk>

Richard Barrett wrote:

>
> What do you mean by list activity? Handling a single outgoing post or 
> what.

Activity should be pretty minimal - one outgoing post a week and that's 
about it.   What appears to be creating the heaviest load is the bounce 
runner which with something over 3000 messages in it's queue looks a 
likely culprit (or rather I guess the messages are).  

I'm not sure how the bounce queue fits in with the bounce mechanism?   
Are these actually queued messages waiting for delivery or are they 
already dead!    I've looked at a few and they would appear to belong to 
unsubscribed members??

> Is outgoing mail via the MTA on the Mailman server? What sort of 
> values are are using for SMTP_MAX_RCPTS?

All services are running on the one server.  Sendmail is fairly well 
optimized and takes submissions from Mailman via the MSA port which is 
configured to avoid DNS.    SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 and VERP is enabled for 
everything other than normal postings and of course the SMTPPORT is changed.

Basically Mailman works very well aside from the heavy load issue.

As is often the case in these situations, after almost giving up, I've 
now found the web interface is usable again.

All the queue runners are clear apart from the bounce runner which is 
going up very gradually at the moment.  When I see it going down I'll be 
a lot happier.

Regards,

Jason.

-- 
=============================
 Jason Shouler  DATAFLOW
 Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1202-722599
  Mobile : +44 (0)7946-615718
     www.data-flow.org.uk
Linux integration specialists
=============================






From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon May 31 22:33:51 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 21:33:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] High CPU Load
In-Reply-To: <40BB8EBE.6040109@data-flow.org.uk>
References: <40BA512B.9040209@data-flow.org.uk>
	<3EB67CC6-B288-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<40BB8EBE.6040109@data-flow.org.uk>
Message-ID: <D3CC0566-B341-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 31 May 2004, at 20:59, Jason Shouler wrote:

> Richard Barrett wrote:
>
>>
>> What do you mean by list activity? Handling a single outgoing post or 
>> what.
>
> Activity should be pretty minimal - one outgoing post a week and 
> that's about it.   What appears to be creating the heaviest load is 
> the bounce runner which with something over 3000 messages in it's 
> queue looks a likely culprit (or rather I guess the messages are).
> I'm not sure how the bounce queue fits in with the bounce mechanism?   
> Are these actually queued messages waiting for delivery or are they 
> already dead!    I've looked at a few and they would appear to belong 
> to unsubscribed members??
>
>> Is outgoing mail via the MTA on the Mailman server? What sort of 
>> values are are using for SMTP_MAX_RCPTS?
>
> All services are running on the one server.  Sendmail is fairly well 
> optimized and takes submissions from Mailman via the MSA port which is 
> configured to avoid DNS.    SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 and VERP is enabled 
> for everything other than normal postings and of course the SMTPPORT 
> is changed.
>
> Basically Mailman works very well aside from the heavy load issue.
>
> As is often the case in these situations, after almost giving up, I've 
> now found the web interface is usable again.
>
> All the queue runners are clear apart from the bounce runner which is 
> going up very gradually at the moment.  When I see it going down I'll 
> be a lot happier.
>

Take a look at the NEWS file in the Mailman source distribution; grep 
for 'bounce' and read the items that are identified. There were 
significant bounce handling changes in MM 2.1.3 and MM 2.1.5 the both 
of which will influence your system's operation as regards things you 
are noting above. Also, take a look at the Mailman bounce log.

Maybe changing REGISTER_BOUNCES_EVERY config variable's value in 
mm_cfg.py and doing mailmanctl restart might be worth considering.

Be useful if you could let me/us have your summary/conclusions/actions 
when (if) you manage to get a satisfactory resolution.

> Regards,
>
> Jason.
>
> -- 
> =============================
> Jason Shouler  DATAFLOW
> Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1202-722599
>  Mobile : +44 (0)7946-615718
>     www.data-flow.org.uk
> Linux integration specialists
> =============================
>
>
>




From aclawson at classicrealtors.com  Thu May 27 18:37:08 2004
From: aclawson at classicrealtors.com (Albert Clawson)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:37:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding a user via email
Message-ID: <64169CA182BE0340AF3A2C34D88087C53C3C38@fhserver.remaxclassic.detroitmetrorealestate.com>

We have people who call us up and ask to be placed on our mailing list.
Is there a way we can send an email command to the list that will then
send out a confirmation request?




From bembrey at pobox.com  Sun May 30 07:48:01 2004
From: bembrey at pobox.com (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 01:48:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors running check_db
Message-ID: <auto-000012817072@hermes.hood.edu>

Mailman Users:

 

When running check_db -av I get an error on some lists "[Errno 2] No such
file or directory: '/var/mailman/lists/listname/config.db.last'. Some of my
lists have a number of files in their directories and some have only two
(config.pck and config.pck.last). Is this a problem and what can be done to
correct it? Also is it safe to tar up the entire mailman directory while
mailman and the MTAand the HTTP servers are running?

 

Bruce Embrey

 



From Billy_Jack at HostAnchor.com  Sun May 30 16:56:09 2004
From: Billy_Jack at HostAnchor.com (Billy Jack Dial)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 10:56:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server set up Doc.
Message-ID: <7C2B92EF-B249-11D8-912E-000393751C1E@HostAnchor.com>

Hello,

Do you need to set up a dns entry for list.host.com?
Do you need to set up a new web site for list.host.com, or a alies.

I set up mail man and all works fine just can't access the web site 
list.host.com. says unable to locate server??

Thanks.




From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Fri May 28 19:59:29 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:59:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Commands
Message-ID: <E1BTldh-0005es-Sg@ohio.stageserver.net>

Isn't it possible to configure MM such that a message sent to listname-
request at domain.com subscribes a new member? I thought it worked that 
way, but I cannot get it to work. The Help message shows that 
subscribe is an option. Maybe something is set wrong.



From rgb at phy.duke.edu  Fri May 28 19:28:15 2004
From: rgb at phy.duke.edu (Robert G. Brown)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:28:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regular expressions/whitelists
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0405281308480.1382-100000@ganesh.phy.duke.edu>

Dear Mailman users (and hopefully administrators and/or programmers),

We have some campus lists that we'd like to leave open to members and
everybody with addresses such as (in regexp form)

  .*@.*duke\.edu

but cause all postings from non-duke.edu addresses to be held for the
moderator.  I cannot see how to do this with mailman's current privacy
settings -- I had thought one could "whitelist" by domain at the
administrator interface level with a suitable regular expression, but
when I try restricting to list members and putting this into the
"addresses of members accepted for posting..." box it doesn't work.

When I try other ways, such as leaving the list open to any posters (or
rather not restrict posting to list members) together with negated
regular expression rules in either the "addresses always held for
approval..." or the "Hold posts...specific regexp" boxes (the specific
regexp patterns I've tried are various things like:

  !.*@.*phy\.duke\.edu
or
  from: !.*@.*phy\.duke\.edu
  from: (?!.*@.*phy\.duke\.edu)

and a few others) THAT doesn't work either.  I was intending this to
read as "headers that don't include from: something at something.duke.edu".

So I guess I have a  question and/or suggestion:

  Is there any way to do what I'm trying to do at this level of mailman
  (that is, without hacking scripts or inserting procmail with suitable
  rules but rather through a regexp in one of the privacy boxes)?

If not, how about:

  Making the "always accepted" and "always held" list boxes accept
  simple rexexp's e.g.  .*@.*duke.edu (to accept or hold all duke.edu
  postings, depending on which box it is in) or at least enabling them
  to manage SOME sort of wildcard/domain level entries.

Adding the email of everybody on campus to one list or everybody in the
universe NOT on campus to the other list are not happy alternatives.

Even making the hold posts box (that already takes regexps) work with
negated regexps would do the trick, although the holds don't really take
place because of "suspicious headers" as explained in the hold message
to the poster.

Thanks!

   rgb

-- 
Robert G. Brown	                       http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/
Duke University Dept. of Physics, Box 90305
Durham, N.C. 27708-0305
Phone: 1-919-660-2567  Fax: 919-660-2525     email:rgb at phy.duke.edu






From sheshdesigns at hotmail.com  Sat May 29 18:27:58 2004
From: sheshdesigns at hotmail.com (A. Colson)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 12:27:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a quick question
Message-ID: <BAY9-F5JXr7HFPj1ztO0004a3ca@hotmail.com>

Hello. I am new to Mailman and I visited your helpful website and printed 
out the documentation. However, I can't not find or figure out how to 
actually send a message out to those who subscribed to my mailing lists.

Can you please tell me how? Thank you for your time.

A. Colson

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From tleonardi at itm5.homeip.net  Sun May 30 15:00:56 2004
From: tleonardi at itm5.homeip.net (Tommaso Leonardi)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 15:00:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems...
Message-ID: <019001c44646$25b37730$229f5c01@TOM>

Hi,
I've a little problem, i hope you can help me :)

I've a Linux Mandrake 10 server with Postfix and Apache. The problem is tha when i create a new ML i get this error:
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in process_request
    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
    _update_maps()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps
    raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Python information:
      Variable Value 
      sys.version 2.3.3 (#2, Feb 17 2004, 11:45:40) [GCC 3.3.2 (Mandrake Linux 10.0 3.3.2-6mdk)]  
      sys.executable /usr/bin/python  
      sys.prefix /usr  
      sys.exec_prefix /usr  
      sys.path /usr  
      sys.platform linux2  




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Environment variables:
      Variable Value 
      HTTP_REFERER  http://itm5.homeip.net/mailman/create  
      SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.31  
      SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/create  
      SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.31 Server at itm5.homeip.net Port 80 
      REQUEST_METHOD  POST  
      SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1  
      QUERY_STRING   
      CONTENT_LENGTH  140  
      HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)  
      HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive  
      HTTP_COOKIE  comunicazioni+admin=280200000069ebaab940732800000032633638333230353362666130373464383833623231323335643935333162626635343836363737; primah+admin=28020000006917d5b940732800000063643765366330356536666436623730373533306663623035663531623034313164636135356365; primah+user+tleonardi--at--fastwebnet.it=; qwe+admin=280200000069acd8b940732800000066336236663966646362393233323563346464353762316236653238373466373466353938646634; lang=italian; phpbb2mysql_data=a%3A2%3A%7Bs%3A11%3A%22autologinid%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A6%3A%22userid%22%3Bs%3A1%3A%222%22%3B%7D; user=MjpGZWFybGVzczpkM2JkNTBhODFmZWFjMzE3ZjZhYWY2OTBkMjkwYmFiODoxMDo6MDowOjA6MDo6NDA5Ng%3D%3D; admin=RmVhcmxlc3M6ZDNiZDUwYTgxZmVhYzMxN2Y2YWFmNjkwZDI5MGJhYjg6aXRhbGlhbg%3D%3D  
      SERVER_NAME  itm5.homeip.net  
      REMOTE_ADDR  62.101.126.217  
      SERVER_PORT  80  
      SERVER_ADDR  82.105.56.188  
      DOCUMENT_ROOT  /home/web/itm5  
      PYTHONPATH  /usr/local/mailman  
      SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create  
      SERVER_ADMIN  itm5 at fastwebnet.it  
      HTTP_HOST  itm5.homeip.net  
      HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL  no-cache  
      REQUEST_URI  /mailman/create  
      HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/x-shockwave-flash, */*  
      GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1  
      REMOTE_PORT  34207  
      HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  it  
      CONTENT_TYPE  application/x-www-form-urlencoded  
      REMOTE_HOST  62-101-126-217.fastres.net  
      HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate  



The first list i create, even if i got the same error, works very well.
The other lists i create are able to sends massages, but whe i try to write to list at domain i receive a MTA error saing that the local user doesn't exist...
I'm sorry if i write in the list with a bad english and without waiting some days after the subscription, but i absolutely need the list working in few days.
Thakyou very much,
Tommaso