From anner at blast.com  Mon Mar  1 01:19:33 2004
From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:19:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting unsubscribes notifications despite settings
Message-ID: <1DA09A1F-6B16-11D8-AC04-000A959E1C16@blast.com>

I'm having problems with a list that I just moved from one server to 
another.  I tarred and zipped up the entire mailman directory 
(preserving permissions) and moved it onto a new server.  I've done 
this before without incident. Since then, it hasn't been behaving as 
configured.  Last time we sent a list, a member responded and even 
though the user moderator bit was checked/on, the mail was not held--it 
went straight through to everyone.  I removed the list, recreated it, 
then re-configured it, and am still having problems.  Now even though 
mailman is not set to notify admin for unsubscribes (regular or bounce) 
the owner is still getting notifications.
The notifications are coming from these addresses:
<listname-bounces at lists.emji.net>,
<mailman-bounces at lists.emji.net>

These are some of the config variables:
anonymous_list = 0
first_strip_reply_to = 0
reply_goes_to_list = 0
umbrella_list = 0
umbrella_member_suffix = '-owner'
send_reminders = 0
send_welcome_msg = 0
send_goodbye_msg = 0
admin_immed_notify = 0
admin_notify_mchanges = 0
respond_to_post_requests = 1
emergency = 0
new_member_options = 0
subscribe_policy = 1
unsubscribe_policy = 0
default_member_moderation = 1
member_moderation_action = 0
generic_nonmember_action = 1
forward_auto_discards = 1
require_explicit_destination = 1
bounce_processing = 1
bounce_score_threshold = 1.0
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0
bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner = 0
bounce_notify_owner_on_disable = 0
bounce_notify_owner_on_removal = 0

I'm at a loss as to what might be wrong.  Please help.  We haven't 
tried out another list because we want to be sure everything is working 
correctly first.

Thanks,
Anne Ramey




From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Mon Mar  1 02:03:13 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:03:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot Find/Receive Bounce Messages
Message-ID: <40421B51.8312.29EAE6@localhost>

I am trying to review the bounce messages - as with the new 
SPAM blockers if you are not on the person's "approved" list 
you email may not go through. I cannot seem to get the 
bounce message that Mailman cannot process - with or 
without Mailman bounce processing on. I have tried setting to 
send the messages to the list owner, and have set the posting 
by non-members to be held and forwarded. I get one or two 
messages sent to the list admin, but when I turn off processing 
and purposely send to a non-existent address - I receive 
nothing back in either the master account for the domain, the 
list admin account or the posters account. 
I do have mailman set to use an explicit reply to address and 
that address does not receive the daemon messages either.
What am I doing wrong? 



From burak at burak.org  Mon Mar  1 05:34:30 2004
From: burak at burak.org (Burak Tombuloglu)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:34:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Templates and HyperArch.py - HyperArch.pyc
In-Reply-To: <D09D9DB108B94D45A66849A639BE60E3.MAI@iridiumdns.net>
Message-ID: <014401c3ff46$8028d8a0$0200a8c0@fhvd601>

I tried modifying the templates for archives with messages
(archidxxxx.html files) to add a custom header and footer, but this
doesn't work - the list field names are not replaced and I get output
like %ArchiveName%.  I tried to modify the HyperArch.py file to add the
header/footer, but the html pages displayed looked no different (it
still only used the default archidxxxx.html files).

I saw a post that said that I need to shut down the mailman, remove the
.pyc files and restart. I did this, but HyperArch.pyc was not recreated.
Furthermore, now, none of the emails I sent to the list are displayed (I
constantly get an emptyarchive page) although I have received the
emails.

Can somebody help me out?

Thanks,

Burak







From a.carter at intrasoft.lu  Mon Mar  1 09:23:20 2004
From: a.carter at intrasoft.lu (CARTER Anthony)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:23:20 +0100 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Split Digests and equal line wraps
Message-ID: <A2DF56E8BC9B964884DD1A7C9C812C0F0130152E@mailsvr.intrasoft.lu>

Hi,

My digests are coming in about 4 attachments including a header, a footer, a
message and another text message. Is there a way to combine these so that
they are all one message rather than split?

Secondly, I am getting '=' signes at the end of lines instead of carriage
returns. The parsing seems to be really bad...For example:

Because it's the favored payment system of its owner, online auctioneer=
 eBay Inc. =

(EBAY), PayPal also starts with more business on the continent than much sm=
aller =

rivals like mobile phone-based payment providers paybox in Germany and Mobi=
pay of =

Spain. =

Is there a way i can prevent this?

Thanks,

Anthony Carter



From feats at colorado.icam.vt.edu  Mon Mar  1 13:47:37 2004
From: feats at colorado.icam.vt.edu (Steve Greenfield)
Date: 01 Mar 2004 07:47:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot make changes to mailman list!
Message-ID: <1078145257.3974.3.camel@colorado.icam.vt.edu>

I am using mailman-2.1.2-2 on a Redhat 9 system.  Part of the setup
of mailman asks you to define the mailman mailing list which I have
done.  I also have a second list.  When I go to "the list admin
overview page" it shows my two lists.  When I select the Mailman
list I am not able to get into the administrative pages to make any
changes.  I can get into the other list just fine.

I get an email, as list owner of Mailman, everyday that says:

    As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
    following mailing list posting:

      List:    Mailman at colorado.icam.vt.edu
      From:    feats at colorado.icam.vt.edu
      Subject: 
      Reason:  Post by non-member to a members-only list

    At your convenience, visit:

      http://colorado.icam.vt.edu/mailman/admindb/mailman
        
    to approve or deny the request.

When I visit the URL above it does nothing.  Is this normal or
have I done something wrong?  Thanks!



From kitlinsen at hbcse.tifr.res.in  Mon Mar  1 17:08:44 2004
From: kitlinsen at hbcse.tifr.res.in (KIT linsen)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:38:44 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] languages
Message-ID: <20040301160517.M73296@hbcse.tifr.res.in>

what all are the languages supported by mailman?



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Mar  1 18:57:31 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Mar 2004 12:57:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] languages
In-Reply-To: <20040301160517.M73296@hbcse.tifr.res.in>
References: <20040301160517.M73296@hbcse.tifr.res.in>
Message-ID: <1078163851.4481.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 11:08, KIT linsen wrote:
> what all are the languages supported by mailman?

cd ~mailman/templates; ls

big5  cs  en  et  fi  gb  hu  ja  lt  no  pt     ro  sl  sv
ca    de  es  eu  fr  hr  it  ko  nl  pl  pt_BR  ru  sr  uk

For the official scoop, visit:
http://www.list.org/i18n.html

HtH - Jon Carnes




From ekol at teiath.gr  Mon Mar  1 16:54:10 2004
From: ekol at teiath.gr (Eva Kolega)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 17:54:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] _SOCKET ERROR
Message-ID: <40435CA2.7080600@teiath.gr>

Hello.

I have installed python 2.2.2 on Solaris 9.
I got the already compiled package from  SUN.
It installed in a perfect way.
The problem is that as I am trying tou run ./make install in Mailman's 
directory I get the error attached.
I have seen a lot of discussion about .so libs and ssl but I can't 
figure out  what to do.

I would appreciate any help cause even when I try to configure the 
Python tarball (from scratch) I don't get any Makefile as an outcome.

Thanks in advance,

Eva Kolega
NOC - TEI of ATHENS

----ERROR--------------------------------------
  File "bin/update", line 47, in ?
    from Mailman import Utils
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ?
    import cgi
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ?
    import urllib
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
    import socket
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
    from _socket import *
ImportError: No module named _socket






From linsen_mathew at rediffmail.com  Mon Mar  1 16:59:49 2004
From: linsen_mathew at rediffmail.com (linsen n mathew)
Date: 1 Mar 2004 15:59:49 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] languages
Message-ID: <20040301155949.19093.qmail@webmail29.rediffmail.com>

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From rxweb+ at pitt.edu  Mon Mar  1 19:20:01 2004
From: rxweb+ at pitt.edu (Thomas Waters)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:20:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman was running but stopped
Message-ID: <0E2180E9-6BAD-11D8-BC70-000393BB8C90@pitt.edu>

Just setting up mailman to run on Panther Server 10.3.  Tests running 
fine last Friday, and expected today to set up the real lists.  Today, 
Mailman won't run at all.  Even if the "enable mailing lists is 
checked, OS X GUI says maillists "disabled. "  Have deleted and rebuilt 
test list, no luck.  Have run repair disk and repair permissions.  No 
luck.  Not sure what else to try.
--
Thomas Waters
Director of Information and Communication Services
University of Pittsburgh, School of Pharmacy
rxweb at pitt.edu
http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu




From infodave at mountain-internet.com  Mon Mar  1 20:04:04 2004
From: infodave at mountain-internet.com (Dave Beightol)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:04:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL BS
Message-ID: <005f01c3ffbf$f792b810$6466a8c0@davehome>

Hello,

We are using your mailing list system via Plesk server software on our site.

When a normal email address is submitted, the system works perfect.

When an AOL address is submitted it does not send the confirmation email or make any attempt to add the address to the list.

Is this a mailing list issue or an AOL filter or something like that?
How can we fix this?

Here is the link to the sign up page on our site in case you need to see it.

http://www.wiltshirepantry.com/weekly_meal_service.html


Thanks,
Dave Beightol
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From boatsafe at comcast.net  Mon Mar  1 19:57:59 2004
From: boatsafe at comcast.net (Robert  Miller)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 10:57:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam, Etc.
Message-ID: <002701c3ffbf$23fe7160$6800a8c0@roberthp>

Hi,
 
I'm a list manager in the United States Power Squadrons. I manage two of our
e-mail lists through usps.org where Mailman is the system. Both my lists are
suffering from multiple (3 to 6) attempts daily to send to the list from non
list members which we do not allow. The problem is that I am continuously
faced with clearing these messages.
 
 What is really needed is a way to set a switch to automatically reject
messages from non-list members rather than have to intervene in every case.
Is there any way this can be accommodated? Thanks. 
 
 
Bob Miller
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar  2 01:03:10 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Mar 2004 19:03:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam, Etc.
In-Reply-To: <002701c3ffbf$23fe7160$6800a8c0@roberthp>
References: <002701c3ffbf$23fe7160$6800a8c0@roberthp>
Message-ID: <1078185790.4481.64.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 13:57, Robert Miller wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I'm a list manager in the United States Power Squadrons. I manage two
> of our e-mail lists through usps.org where Mailman is the system. Both
> my lists are suffering from multiple (3 to 6) attempts daily to send
> to the list from non list members which we do not allow. The problem
> is that I am continuously faced with clearing these messages.
>  
>  What is really needed is a way to set a switch to automatically
> reject messages from non-list members rather than have to intervene in
> every case. Is there any way this can be accommodated? Thanks. 
>  
>  
> Bob Miller

Yes.
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Jon Carnes

PS - Next time include at least the version of Mailman you are using.





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar  2 01:05:14 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Mar 2004 19:05:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL BS
In-Reply-To: <005f01c3ffbf$f792b810$6466a8c0@davehome>
References: <005f01c3ffbf$f792b810$6466a8c0@davehome>
Message-ID: <1078185914.4481.66.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 14:04, Dave Beightol wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> We are using your mailing list system via Plesk server software on our
> site.
>  
> When a normal email address is submitted, the system works perfect.
>  
> When an AOL address is submitted it does not send the confirmation
> email or make any attempt to add the address to the list.
>  
> Is this a mailing list issue or an AOL filter or something like that?
> How can we fix this?
>  
> Here is the link to the sign up page on our site in case you need to
> see it.
>  
> http://www.wiltshirepantry.com/weekly_meal_service.html
>  
>  
> Thanks,
> Dave Beightol
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
Have you tried adding an AOL user via the command line interface?  It
may simply be that AOL is bouncing your confirmation mail - so the users
never see it.

Jon Carnes




From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Tue Mar  2 05:18:27 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 20:18:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forwards Created by Mailman in Cpanel
Message-ID: <40439A93.11111.AA6C70@localhost>

What/why are there forwards created from owner - listname @ 
domain to admin - listname @ domain?

I have both tried with and without creating those email accounts and 
still receive net to no mail to the admin account as specified in the 
general setups option.

Cannot find bounce  (or any other except the one or two the system 
sends as bounce questions) messages.



Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.




From kde at europages.com  Tue Mar  2 08:56:09 2004
From: kde at europages.com (Key Dof)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 08:56:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Message-ID: <1078214169.38296.202.camel@ramses>

Hi,
  I am newbie in mailing lists, i want to know if it's possible to make
mailman run on the same main mail server, or it must be on a separate
machine, and if it's possible, how can it be configured.
Thanks




From karem_lore at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Mar  2 10:54:25 2004
From: karem_lore at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Anthony=20Carter?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:54:25 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Split Digests and equal line wraps
Message-ID: <20040302095425.21886.qmail@web25106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


Hi,

If this is a double post I am sorry, but I can't find my message on the list so I sent it again.

My digests are coming in about 4 attachments including a header, a footer, a message and another text message. Is there a way to combine these so that they are all one message rather than split?

Secondly, I am getting '=' signes at the end of lines instead of carriage returns. The parsing seems to be really bad...For example:

Because it's the favored payment system of its owner, online auctioneer=

eBay Inc. =

(EBAY), PayPal also starts with more business on the continent than much sm=

aller =

rivals like mobile phone-based payment providers paybox in Germany and Mobi=

pay of =

Spain. =

Is there a way i can prevent this?

Thanks,

Anthony Carter


		
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar  2 15:00:49 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 09:00:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <1078214169.38296.202.camel@ramses>
References: <1078214169.38296.202.camel@ramses>
Message-ID: <1078236048.3178.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 02:56, Key Dof wrote:
> Hi,
>   I am newbie in mailing lists, i want to know if it's possible to make
> mailman run on the same main mail server, or it must be on a separate
> machine, and if it's possible, how can it be configured.
> Thanks
> 
If your main mail server is unix-ish then Mailman will run fine there. 
You'll also need a web-server running on the server (for administration
and maintenance of your lists).

For further help on installation see the docs at:
  http://www.list.org/docs.html

And for special concerns, see the Frequently Asked Questions at:
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From kde at europages.com  Tue Mar  2 15:12:46 2004
From: kde at europages.com (Key Dof)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:12:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <1078236048.3178.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1078214169.38296.202.camel@ramses>
	<1078236048.3178.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1078236766.53362.36.camel@ramses>

Thanks a lot for you reply, in fact my question wasn't about the
possibility of being installed (as servers) but it's about the fact of
interacting, ie: when an email arrives to the server, if it knows where
to deliver it (a user or mailman).
If you confirm that it can be done, i will install it and go reading the
docs, but if it is impossible because it's either a user delivery or a
mailing list delivery, than i will have to start installing another
machine.
Thanks again



On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 15:00, Jon Carnes wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 02:56, Key Dof wrote:
> > Hi,
> >   I am newbie in mailing lists, i want to know if it's possible to make
> > mailman run on the same main mail server, or it must be on a separate
> > machine, and if it's possible, how can it be configured.
> > Thanks
> > 
> If your main mail server is unix-ish then Mailman will run fine there. 
> You'll also need a web-server running on the server (for administration
> and maintenance of your lists).
> 
> For further help on installation see the docs at:
>   http://www.list.org/docs.html
> 
> And for special concerns, see the Frequently Asked Questions at:
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Mon Mar  1 20:21:49 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 20:21:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
References: <002e01c3feef$aad5c100$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
	<20040229215453.19133.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alm.20040301202152.17430@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

David A Boothe schrieb:

> technically all you need to do is make all users mod or whatever it
> is called but that leaves a lot of things still open.

What things are that?

> I woudl love to see a way to set up MM so that NONE of the web based
> interfaces are installed at all.

What does that have to do with moderation or announce only lists? Why
don't you install the web interface, but disable it (by means of your
webserver configuration)?

-thh




From jeetu at cse.iitb.ac.in  Mon Mar  1 23:47:53 2004
From: jeetu at cse.iitb.ac.in (Jeetendra Mirchandani)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 04:17:53 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.40.0403020350340.16317-100000@chandra.cse.iitb.ac.in>


i get a 404 error
my httpd.conf
---------------------
ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"

<Directory "/home/mailman/cgi-bin">
  Options ExecCGI
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all

</Directory>
--------------------

please help



Regards,
Jeetu
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From cgregory at hwcn.org  Tue Mar  2 01:00:28 2004
From: cgregory at hwcn.org (Charles Gregory)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:00:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please help me RTFM
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10403011856350.19416-100000@james.hwcn.org>

Hallo!

I'm trying to setup and run the standard mailman included with 
Red Hat Linux 9. This is an 'RPM' install, so I don't have the
source code files to read the 'README's. Supposedly, Mailman has an 
easy to use web based interface/control panel? I would appreciate
it if someone could help provide a link to a simple 'howto' for setting up
the initial web interface on RH9/Postfix. Presumably once I've got *that*
running, the site-admin pages should be fairly straight-forward.

Please reply directly, I am not on any mailing list for mailman (yet).

Thanks.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Charles Gregory      Hamilton CommunityNet Member Services
members at hwcn.org     Connecting the Community! www.hwcn.org




From hongmj at ffcs.net  Tue Mar  2 03:35:57 2004
From: hongmj at ffcs.net (hongmj)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:35:57 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virus in mailman tools
Message-ID: <000a01c3ffff$181f6580$d12946a4@hongmj>

Dear sir,
     Thank you for your good production "mailman". It's really wonderful.
     I download mailman-2.1.3, but my virus scan tools(officescan 793) report "find a virus: mailman.tar.gz(mailman-2.1.3\tests\msgs\nimda.txt)   virus name: HTML_IFRMEXP.GEN". 
     Is it really a common nimda virus or not? Maybe it infect virus when you zip the "mailman". Could you please investigate it. And how about new version mailman-2.1.4?

Best regard!
your's truly hongmj
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From mylists at oneparkplace.com  Tue Mar  2 04:56:22 2004
From: mylists at oneparkplace.com (Brian Haines)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:56:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to STOP Mailman & Sendmail
Message-ID: <008a01c4000a$56f18bc0$0a01a8c0@brian2600>

I have a recurring problem. I have an announce only list of 50K +
subscribers. I have never been able to STOP the list. It takes all day to
run and I sometimes need to stop it so that I can run another message, or if
I just made a mistake.

I stop Sendmail, Stop the Mailman service, and kill any remaining processes
for either. I clean out the qfiles and locks directories. When I start
sendmail and wait for a while Sendmail is there quietly "accepting
connections" without restarting the list messages, but as soon as I start up
Mailman again (service mailman start), without sending any more messages to
any list, the sendmail connections start to multiply with activity from the
previously killed session.

How do I stop it?

The FAQ does not cover it. There is no README with anything of this nature.
I have searched the archives of this list - null, and I have asked here
along with other questions and received no comment.

I am running:
Redhat Linux 2.1AS
Python 2.3.3
Mailman 2.1.4

Thanks for any help.

Brian





From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Tue Mar  2 05:04:33 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 20:04:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forwards Created by Mailman in Cpanel
Message-ID: <40439751.3620.9DB48B@localhost>

What/why are there forwards created from owner - listname @ 
domain to admin - listname @ domain?

I have both tried with and without creating those email accounts and 
still receive net to no mail to the admin account as specified in the 
general setups option.

Cannot find bounce  (or any other except the one or two the system 
sends as bounce questions) messages.



Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.




From boatsafe at comcast.net  Tue Mar  2 05:25:50 2004
From: boatsafe at comcast.net (Robert  Miller)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:25:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam, Etc.
In-Reply-To: <002701c3ffbf$23fe7160$6800a8c0@roberthp>
Message-ID: <005901c4000e$756ac450$6800a8c0@roberthp>

Hi,

 
I'm a list manager in the United States Power Squadrons. I manage two of our
e-mail lists through usps.org where Mailman is the system. Both my lists are
suffering from multiple (3 to 6) attempts daily to send to the list from non
list members which we do not allow. The problem is that I am continuously
faced with clearing these messages.
 
 What is really needed is a way to set a switch to automatically reject
messages from non-list members rather than have to intervene in every case.
Is there any way this can be accommodated? Thanks. 
 
 

Bob Miller

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From nikhil.bajpai at induslogic.com  Tue Mar  2 09:05:39 2004
From: nikhil.bajpai at induslogic.com (Nikhil Bajpai)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:35:39 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating a new List
Message-ID: <000001c4002d$2be20ea0$c532a8c0@synapse.com>

Hi,

Sometime back I experimented with using Mailman on windows through
cygwin.

The approach worked after few hacks like changing file MailList.py and
recreating MailList.pyc.

(http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-August/031287.html)

I want to know if there is a better way to use Mailman on windows ?

 

Thanks,

Nikhil Bajpai
Induslogic Inc.
Industrial Strength Software
3rd Floor, 276, Capt. Gaur Marg
Sriniwaspuri, New Delhi, India
P: +91.11.5170.9070 x Ext No.2111
E:  <mailto:nikhil.bajpai at induslogic.com> nikhil.bajpai at induslogic.com
www.geocities.com/nikhilb020875 

 

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From kristijan.modric at pliva.hr  Tue Mar  2 11:10:32 2004
From: kristijan.modric at pliva.hr (Modric Kristijan)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:10:32 +0100 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bugs
Message-ID: <F82A9758DBBAD046855A1A14D084F32BB0F7@HRPBFEX01.pliva.com>

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 69, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in
__init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f
    1)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 566, in open
    file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'





----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Python information:
Variable Value 
sys.version 2.3.3 (#2, Feb 24 2004, 09:29:20) [GCC 3.3.3 (Debian)]  
sys.executable /usr/bin/python  
sys.prefix /usr  
sys.exec_prefix /usr  
sys.path /usr  
sys.platform linux2  




----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Environment variables:
Variable Value 
REDIRECT_UNIQUE_ID  QERZjwr at AQEAAHMv5i8  
REDIRECT_STATUS  200  
SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.29 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.4 mod_ssl/2.8.16
OpenSSL/0.9.7c  
SCRIPT_NAME  /cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo  
SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.29 Server at list.pliva.hr Port 80 
REQUEST_METHOD  GET  
REDIRECT_URL  /  
SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1  
QUERY_STRING   
HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)  
HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive  
SERVER_NAME  list.pliva.hr  
REMOTE_ADDR  10.1.0.98  
SERVER_PORT  80  
SERVER_ADDR  10.254.1.1  
DOCUMENT_ROOT  /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman  
PYTHONPATH  /var/lib/mailman  
SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo  
SERVER_ADMIN  pcst at pliva.hr  
HTTP_HOST  list.pliva.hr  
REQUEST_URI  /  
HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword,
application/x-shockwave-flash, */*  
GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1  
REMOTE_PORT  1086  
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  hr  
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate  
UNIQUE_ID  QERZjwr at AQEAAHMv5i8  



From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Mon Mar  1 20:21:47 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 20:21:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing program
References: <005301c3fe42$88cb0910$230110ac@Alexias>
	<p06002004bc6801b9cd29@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <alm.20040301202149.17429@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

Brad Knowles schrieb:

> 	But I don't see any way that any program on Earth can help you 
> around this problem of being able to have a guarantee that you know 
> exactly how many people received your message, and of them how many 
> actually read it.

You can use webbugs or "web beacons" to check how many people (and,
with personalized mails, even who) has at least "opened" the mail in a
HTML-enabled client.

-thh




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar  2 17:53:03 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 11:53:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <1078236766.53362.36.camel@ramses>
References: <1078214169.38296.202.camel@ramses>
	<1078236048.3178.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1078236766.53362.36.camel@ramses>
Message-ID: <1078246383.3178.72.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 09:12, Key Dof wrote:
> Thanks a lot for you reply, in fact my question wasn't about the
> possibility of being installed (as servers) but it's about the fact of
> interacting, ie: when an email arrives to the server, if it knows where
> to deliver it (a user or mailman).
> If you confirm that it can be done, i will install it and go reading the
> docs, but if it is impossible because it's either a user delivery or a
> mailing list delivery, than i will have to start installing another
> machine.
> Thanks again
> 
Mailman uses the aliases file. Each mailing list adds several aliases to
the aliases file. The only real user you need to add to the machine is
one that is specifically setup to run the applications.  The name of
that user is normally "mailman".




From brendan at chard.net  Tue Mar  2 19:29:30 2004
From: brendan at chard.net (Brendan B. Chard)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:29:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sub Domains and Domains
Message-ID: <200403021832.i22IW2Co036761@server5.chard.net>

I am attempting to run mailman on a FreeBSD machine with multiple virtual
hosts.

Everything is working great except that the list address I want is
"listname at lists.chard.net"  and it works great, I can send to it and it
works just fine.

The problem is that when the list sends out a post to members it drops the
subdomain from it's address and says, reply to "example at chard.net"

- I have an address record created for my lists.chard.net and a proper
virtual host for it.  
- The primary domain is also hosted, as a virtual host on the same machine
- I have set the "host name this list prefers" to "lists.chard.net"
- lists.chard.net is set up as my default url host and e-mail host in the
Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py files

- I have added these entries to my mm_cfg.py file:
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.chard.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.chard.net'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)


Like I said, everything about the list is working great except that when a
post or administrative message is sent out by mailman it says to reply to
listname at chard.net instead of listname at lists.chard.net

Any advice would be great!
-Brendan Chard
brendan at chard.net

Chard.Net
3588 Plymouth Rd. #287
Ann Arbor, MI 48105

http://www.chard.net
1.800.741.8034









From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar  3 05:28:08 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 23:28:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.40.0403020350340.16317-100000@chandra.cse.iitb.ac.in>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.40.0403020350340.16317-100000@chandra.cse.iitb.ac.in>
Message-ID: <1078288088.3178.330.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 17:47, Jeetendra Mirchandani wrote:
> i get a 404 error
> my httpd.conf
> ---------------------
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
> 
> <Directory "/home/mailman/cgi-bin">
>   Options ExecCGI
>     Order allow,deny
>     Allow from all
> 
> </Directory>
> --------------------
> 
> please help
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Jeetu
> ---

> The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.

Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

See the FAQ.  You really need to provide much more information - at
least the version of mailman you are running and how it was installed,
and what OS you are running.  Without those basics, most folks will
simply write you off as un-helpable.

If you also include the basic troubleshooting steps that you have
already gone through, then folks will actually think you are helpable
and will try to give you clues. 

Where did you install Mailman? Is it installed in /home/mailman and does
/home/mailman/cgi-bin/ in fact exist?

Good Luck with your Second posting for help

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar  3 05:30:32 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 23:30:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please help me RTFM
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10403011856350.19416-100000@james.hwcn.org>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10403011856350.19416-100000@james.hwcn.org>
Message-ID: <1078288231.3178.333.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 19:00, Charles Gregory wrote:
> Hallo!
> 
> I'm trying to setup and run the standard mailman included with 
> Red Hat Linux 9. This is an 'RPM' install, so I don't have the
> source code files to read the 'README's. Supposedly, Mailman has an 
> easy to use web based interface/control panel? I would appreciate
> it if someone could help provide a link to a simple 'howto' for setting up
> the initial web interface on RH9/Postfix. Presumably once I've got *that*
> running, the site-admin pages should be fairly straight-forward.
> 
> Please reply directly, I am not on any mailing list for mailman (yet).
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Charles Gregory      Hamilton CommunityNet Member Services
> members at hwcn.org     Connecting the Community! www.hwcn.org

http://www.list.org/docs.html

Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar  3 05:52:40 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 23:52:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to STOP Mailman & Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <008a01c4000a$56f18bc0$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
References: <008a01c4000a$56f18bc0$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
Message-ID: <1078289560.3178.351.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 22:56, Brian Haines wrote:
> I have a recurring problem. I have an announce only list of 50K +
> subscribers. I have never been able to STOP the list. It takes all day to
> run and I sometimes need to stop it so that I can run another message, or if
> I just made a mistake.
> 
> I stop Sendmail, Stop the Mailman service, and kill any remaining processes
> for either. I clean out the qfiles and locks directories. When I start
> sendmail and wait for a while Sendmail is there quietly "accepting
> connections" without restarting the list messages, but as soon as I start up
> Mailman again (service mailman start), without sending any more messages to
> any list, the sendmail connections start to multiply with activity from the
> previously killed session.
> 
> How do I stop it?
> 
> The FAQ does not cover it. There is no README with anything of this nature.
> I have searched the archives of this list - null, and I have asked here
> along with other questions and received no comment.
> 
> I am running:
> Redhat Linux 2.1AS
> Python 2.3.3
> Mailman 2.1.4
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Brian
> 
When I first read your question it made no sense to me, but now I think
I know what your looking for... You want the mailman queued files to run
at a lesser priority than your other site mail. In that way, your
regular site mail would flow out ahead of your announce only list
traffic.

This is really a problem for Sendmail (and is doable, but not easy).
Mailman simply injects the mail into the local mail queue and after that
it has no control over how Sendmail handles it.

One scenario that would work is to have Mailman add a "bulk" header to
the messages it injects into the queue and then mod Sendmail to only
deliver "bulk" queued messages if no other queued up mail is waiting to
be processed.

Another scenario is to have Mailman drop it's outbound messages into
another queue and then have that queue slowly feed into your outbound
mail queue.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar  3 05:54:10 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 23:54:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forwards Created by Mailman in Cpanel
In-Reply-To: <40439751.3620.9DB48B@localhost>
References: <40439751.3620.9DB48B@localhost>
Message-ID: <1078289649.3178.353.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 23:04, Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:
> What/why are there forwards created from owner - listname @ 
> domain to admin - listname @ domain?
> 
> I have both tried with and without creating those email accounts and 
> still receive net to no mail to the admin account as specified in the 
> general setups option.
> 
> Cannot find bounce  (or any other except the one or two the system 
> sends as bounce questions) messages.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Lloyd F. Tennison
> lloyd_tennison at whoever.com
> 
> No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
> However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
> inconvenienced.
> 
Take a look at FAQ 3.14 and see if that helps.

Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar  3 05:59:21 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 23:59:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bugs
In-Reply-To: <F82A9758DBBAD046855A1A14D084F32BB0F7@HRPBFEX01.pliva.com>
References: <F82A9758DBBAD046855A1A14D084F32BB0F7@HRPBFEX01.pliva.com>
Message-ID: <1078289961.3178.357.camel@localhost.localdomain>

touch /var/lib/mailman/logs/error

When you rotate the logs in Mailman, be sure to recreate the files that
you rotated.

Jon Carnes

===
On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 05:10, Modric Kristijan wrote:
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
> this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
> happened. Thanks! 
> 
> Traceback:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 69, in run_main
>     immediate=1)
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in
> __init__
>     Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__
>     self.__get_f()
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f
>     1)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 566, in open
>     file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> 
> Python information:
> Variable Value 
> sys.version 2.3.3 (#2, Feb 24 2004, 09:29:20) [GCC 3.3.3 (Debian)]  
> sys.executable /usr/bin/python  
> sys.prefix /usr  
> sys.exec_prefix /usr  
> sys.path /usr  
> sys.platform linux2  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> 
> Environment variables:
> Variable Value 
> REDIRECT_UNIQUE_ID  QERZjwr at AQEAAHMv5i8  
> REDIRECT_STATUS  200  
> SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.29 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.4 mod_ssl/2.8.16
> OpenSSL/0.9.7c  
> SCRIPT_NAME  /cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo  
> SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.29 Server at list.pliva.hr Port 80 
> REQUEST_METHOD  GET  
> REDIRECT_URL  /  
> SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1  
> QUERY_STRING   
> HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)  
> HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive  
> SERVER_NAME  list.pliva.hr  
> REMOTE_ADDR  10.1.0.98  
> SERVER_PORT  80  
> SERVER_ADDR  10.254.1.1  
> DOCUMENT_ROOT  /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman  
> PYTHONPATH  /var/lib/mailman  
> SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo  
> SERVER_ADMIN  pcst at pliva.hr  
> HTTP_HOST  list.pliva.hr  
> REQUEST_URI  /  
> HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
> application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword,
> application/x-shockwave-flash, */*  
> GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1  
> REMOTE_PORT  1086  
> HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  hr  
> HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate  
> UNIQUE_ID  QERZjwr at AQEAAHMv5i8  
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From nospam at webdragon.net  Wed Mar  3 07:10:10 2004
From: nospam at webdragon.net (Scott R. Godin)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:10:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question regarding certain list properties
Message-ID: <1512405.0xBtuztrcS@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >

I have a client whom I am doing a website for. The hosting provider has no
list management software installed (they run FreeBSD), but has given me the
tentative OK to suggest a package if I can find one that suits my needs,
and which they will install. 

First question is, If necessary, can it be installed and run solely from my
client's $HOME if necessary, thus making the entire list package only
available to my website client? If not, one presumes that vhosting clients
can be enabled on an as-needed basis by the hosting provider.

Secondly, my clients particular needs are small, but his wants are many:

   o he wants to be able to post messages that every subscribed user
receives (non-digested) immediately. (basically sales promotional, and new
product announcements. that's it.) probably between one and five per month.
   o no subscribed users will be allowed to post back to the _list_, only to
the reply address (which will be my client's sales at his.site.com address,
more or less). any attempts by a subscriber to post to the list will be
sent to the list owner's address instead and will NOT be seen by the other
members of the list.
   o no subscriber on the list will see another subscriber's e-mail address
in any mail received from the list (i.e. in CC: or whatever).
   o subscription will initially be via a web-based form, which will send a
confirmation e-mail to the address supplied, and require a response from
the end user to the effect of "yes this is me and I want to be subscribed"
before adding them to the list. 
   o any further list interaction by the subscriber will be via _e-mail
only_ to subscribe/unsubscribe/temporary-disable-and-reenable themselves
to/from the list. No additional web-interface is required. 
   o the list itself will be text-only. no html.

Would all these options be configurable for a single vhosted client of a
hosting-provider's server? 

How much of this will the hosting provider have to configure for us, and 

How much of it will we have to/be able to configure ourselves once we've
been set up by the provider? 

Very interested in seeing discussion on this. This is my first foray into
list management as a website kinda guy, so I'm totally unaware of what to
expect and don't want to presume too much, so if my questions seem
excessive, I plead utter complete spastic ignorance. For the most part,
FAQ's rarely ever answer any of the questions *I* usually have, and I go
read them later (although I've already looked and confirmed that they do
not contain these answers, or else I misunderstood)

I run red hat/fedora core at home and since this is bundled with Mailman, I
figured you guys would be a good place to start my search for a list
manager since I can play with it at home to test things. 

I look forward to your replies and hope my search ends here. :) 




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar  3 06:10:16 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Mar 2004 00:10:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sub Domains and Domains
In-Reply-To: <200403021832.i22IW2Co036761@server5.chard.net>
References: <200403021832.i22IW2Co036761@server5.chard.net>
Message-ID: <1078290616.3178.366.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 13:29, Brendan B. Chard wrote:
> I am attempting to run mailman on a FreeBSD machine with multiple virtual
> hosts.
> 
> Everything is working great except that the list address I want is
> "listname at lists.chard.net"  and it works great, I can send to it and it
> works just fine.
> 
> The problem is that when the list sends out a post to members it drops the
> subdomain from it's address and says, reply to "example at chard.net"
> 
> - I have an address record created for my lists.chard.net and a proper
> virtual host for it.  
> - The primary domain is also hosted, as a virtual host on the same machine
> - I have set the "host name this list prefers" to "lists.chard.net"
> - lists.chard.net is set up as my default url host and e-mail host in the
> Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py files
> 
> - I have added these entries to my mm_cfg.py file:
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.chard.net'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.chard.net'
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> 
> 
> Like I said, everything about the list is working great except that when a
> post or administrative message is sent out by mailman it says to reply to
> listname at chard.net instead of listname at lists.chard.net
> 
> Any advice would be great!
> -Brendan Chard
> brendan at chard.net
> 

Brendan, it is common that folks create the list before they properly
set up the virtual hosts.  Unfortunately, you may need to use the
withlist command to correct this within the lists database.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From evabarota at yahoo.ca  Wed Mar  3 13:20:54 2004
From: evabarota at yahoo.ca (eva barota)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 07:20:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscrible
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar  3 14:14:32 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Mar 2004 08:14:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <1078301980.54769.0.camel@ramses>
References: <1078214169.38296.202.camel@ramses>
	<1078236048.3178.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1078236766.53362.36.camel@ramses>
	<1078246383.3178.72.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1078301980.54769.0.camel@ramses>
Message-ID: <1078319672.3151.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

The aliases from Mailman point to an application.  So all mail going to
a list is handed to Mailman's posting application and the application
will either hold the post or pass it out to the list (depending on the
rules you have setup for the list).

HtH - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 03:19, Key Dof wrote:
> Ok, but using the alias file, how will it stop the delivery to a list
> from an unsubscribed user?
> 
> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 17:53, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 09:12, Key Dof wrote:
> > > Thanks a lot for you reply, in fact my question wasn't about the
> > > possibility of being installed (as servers) but it's about the fact of
> > > interacting, ie: when an email arrives to the server, if it knows where
> > > to deliver it (a user or mailman).
> > > If you confirm that it can be done, i will install it and go reading the
> > > docs, but if it is impossible because it's either a user delivery or a
> > > mailing list delivery, than i will have to start installing another
> > > machine.
> > > Thanks again
> > > 
> > Mailman uses the aliases file. Each mailing list adds several aliases to
> > the aliases file. The only real user you need to add to the machine is
> > one that is specifically setup to run the applications.  The name of
> > that user is normally "mailman".
> 




From thomasc at belgaboard.com  Wed Mar  3 14:20:17 2004
From: thomasc at belgaboard.com (Thomas Carpentier)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 14:20:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bumped from the list
In-Reply-To: <20040303122054.16732.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040303122054.16732.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06020406bc6b89e7df5e@[193.121.73.9]>

Mailman owner,

After a success subscription last week and reception of messages from 
the list for two or three days, I realized yesterday I was 
unsubscribed from the list without notice.

My assumption I was bouncing. If that's true, is it possible to tell 
us why we are bouncing. I can't fix the bounce if I don't know what's 
broke? Is it possible to get a warning before to be droped?

Regards

Thomas

N.B. My MTA is Coomunigate Pro



From anne at isoc.org  Wed Mar  3 17:17:33 2004
From: anne at isoc.org (Anne Shroeder - Internet Society)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 11:17:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list-bounces address - how to change
In-Reply-To: <p06020406bc6b89e7df5e@[193.121.73.9]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403031116110.21337-100000@www.isoc.org>

Every time a message is generated from mailman (e.g. when an autoresponder
is sent to a poster), the from address is:
[listname]-bounces@[domainname]

How do I change that because it really is a misnomer - the message hasn't
bounced, it is merely an administrative message.

Anne Shroeder
Webmaster/Systems Administrator
Internet Society
http://www.isoc.org





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Mar  2 16:56:10 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 15:56:10 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virus in mailman tools
In-Reply-To: <000a01c3ffff$181f6580$d12946a4@hongmj>
References: <000a01c3ffff$181f6580$d12946a4@hongmj>
Message-ID: <1FF1A351-6C62-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 2 Mar 2004, at 02:35, hongmj wrote:

> Dear sir,
> ???? Thank you for your good production "mailman". It's really 
> wonderful.
> ???? I download mailman-2.1.3, but my virus scan tools(officescan 793) 
> report "find a virus: 
> mailman.tar.gz(mailman-2.1.3\tests\msgs\nimda.txt)?? virus name: 
> HTML_IFRMEXP.GEN".
> ???? Is it really a common nimda virus or not? Maybe it infect?virus 
> when you zip the "mailman". Could you please investigate it. And how 
> about new version mailman-2.1.4?
> ?

It is always worth searching the list archives first. Searching for the 
word "nimda" returned a number of hits, including:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg17450.html

> Best regard!
> your's truly hongmj




From Bowenr at baldwin.k12.ny.us  Tue Mar  2 17:03:57 2004
From: Bowenr at baldwin.k12.ny.us (Bowen, Robert)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:03:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating lists based on a template
Message-ID: <C7A6AFD84BF4B44B88A1F2404306F0FE03925F@EXCHANGE03.baldwin.k12.ny.us>

I have searched the list archives for an answer, but haven't had much
luck finding anything.  

I have multiple lists - one for each grade in our elementary schools,
one for each grade in our high schools and some other lists that have
for the most part the same attributes (Moderation on, don't send
password monthly, etc.)

Is there a way to setup one list and copy the attributes to my other
lists?  We don't have too many that I can't login to each one via the
web and make the settings, I just think I could save a lot of time doing
it the other way.

Thanks,
Robert Bowen
Baldwin UFSD





From Lena at lena.kiev.ua  Tue Mar  2 21:19:24 2004
From: Lena at lena.kiev.ua (Lena at lena.kiev.ua)
Date: Tue,  2 Mar 2004 22:19:24 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot Find/Receive Bounce Messages
In-Reply-To: <40421B51.8312.29EAE6@localhost>
Message-ID: <PnCnEH0rqJ@lena.kiev>

> From: "Lloyd F. Tennison" <lloyd_tennison()whoever.com>
>
> I am trying to review the bounce messages - as with the new
> SPAM blockers if you are not on the person's "approved" list
> you email may not go through. I cannot seem to get the
> bounce message that Mailman cannot process - with or
> without Mailman bounce processing on. I have tried setting to
> send the messages to the list owner, and have set the posting
> by non-members to be held and forwarded. I get one or two
> messages sent to the list admin, but when I turn off processing
> and purposely send to a non-existent address - I receive
> nothing back in either the master account for the domain, the
> list admin account or the posters account.
> I do have mailman set to use an explicit reply to address and
> that address does not receive the daemon messages either.
> What am I doing wrong?

Bounces go not to "explicit reply-to", but to LISTNAME-bounces at DOMAIN

If you are a user of a web-hosting with cPanel (which uses Exim
and Mailman 2.1.3 changed by cPanel authors) then you can edit
/etc/valiases/DOMAIN  (for example /etc/valiases/example.com ).
That file is owned by your username, so you can overwrite it.
If you have shell (SSH) access and the web-hosting uses Linux
then you can use "pico" editor. If you haven't shell access then
upload two scripts to your public_html/cgi-bin/ and chmod them 755 or 700
(specify your userid and domainname instead of "USERID" and "DOMAIN"):

#!/usr/bin/perl -w
$| = 1;
print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n";
$| = 0;
open( STDERR, '>&STDOUT' );
$_ = $ENV{'QUERY_STRING'};
if ( m{[^\w\.\@/-]} or m{^home/USERID} or m{/\.\.?/} or m{^/} ) {
  print "invalid parameter\n";
}
else {
  if ( open( IN, "/$_" )) {
    while ( <IN> ) {
      print;
    }
    close IN;
  }
  else {
    print "open failed: $!\n";
  }
}


#!/usr/bin/perl -w
$| = 1;
print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n";
open( STDERR, '>&STDOUT' );
$from = '/home/USERID/va';
$to = '/etc/valiases/DOMAIN';
if ( -e $from ) {
  print `cp $from $to`;
  print "\ncp exit status: $?\n";
  if ( unlink $from ) {
    print "\ndeleted\n";
  }
  else {
    print "\nerror deleting\n";
  }
}
else {
  print "doesn't exist\n";
}

Lets assume that your domain name is example.com and you named
these two scripts view.pl and replace.pl . Enter in a browser:
http://example.com/cgi-bin/view.pl?etc/valiases/example.com
then Save As, make an unedited copy,
in the line beginning from "LISTNAME-bounces:" replace all what
is after the colon and the blank by your email address, upload the edited
file to your FTP root directory under the name "va", enter in a browser:
http://example.com/cgi-bin/replace.pl
After you finish experiments, upload unedited copy and again
invoke second script.

Since about February 22 cPanel several times regenerated LISTNAME-*@ aliases
(during cPanel updates?). If that practice continues then your changes
will be lost. So check from time to time (via SSH or by view.pl)
that your changes in  /etc/valiases/DOMAN  remain in effect.

Lena



From anner at blast.com  Tue Mar  2 22:01:35 2004
From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:01:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting unsubscribes notifications despite
	settings
In-Reply-To: <40439596.24271.96F180@localhost>
References: <40439596.24271.96F180@localhost>
Message-ID: <CA4A9775-6C8C-11D8-A79F-000A959E1C16@blast.com>

I think what you are looking for is in the bounce processing section of 
the admin tool.  Scroll down to notifications.  Do you see what you 
need.  Those 3 options are set to no for me, and I'm still getting 
notifications.

Anne
On Mar 1, 2004, at 10:57 PM, Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:

> If you figure it out - I think I have the same settings and WANT to
> get the notifications and am not. (Mailman on hosting companies
> server so I cannot check all those variables.) SO, if you do a screen
> print (or pdf) of all the variables pers screen and I compare them to
> mine - maybe I can figure out an answer for both of us.  Or I could
> do a screen print and send the pdf's to you - either way.
>
>
> From:           	Anne Ramey <anner at blast.com>
> Copies to:      	To:             	mailman-users at python.org
> Date sent:      	Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:19:33 -0500
> Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] Getting unsubscribes notifications 
> despite settings
>
>> I'm having problems with a list that I just moved from one server to
>> another.  I tarred and zipped up the entire mailman directory
>> (preserving permissions) and moved it onto a new server.  I've done
>> this before without incident. Since then, it hasn't been behaving as
>> configured.  Last time we sent a list, a member responded and even
>> though the user moderator bit was checked/on, the mail was not 
>> held--it
>> went straight through to everyone.  I removed the list, recreated it,
>> then re-configured it, and am still having problems.  Now even though
>> mailman is not set to notify admin for unsubscribes (regular or 
>> bounce)
>> the owner is still getting notifications.
>> The notifications are coming from these addresses:
>> <listname-bounces at lists.emji.net>,
>> <mailman-bounces at lists.emji.net>
>>
>> These are some of the config variables:
>> anonymous_list = 0
>> first_strip_reply_to = 0
>> reply_goes_to_list = 0
>> umbrella_list = 0
>> umbrella_member_suffix = '-owner'
>> send_reminders = 0
>> send_welcome_msg = 0
>> send_goodbye_msg = 0
>> admin_immed_notify = 0
>> admin_notify_mchanges = 0
>> respond_to_post_requests = 1
>> emergency = 0
>> new_member_options = 0
>> subscribe_policy = 1
>> unsubscribe_policy = 0
>> default_member_moderation = 1
>> member_moderation_action = 0
>> generic_nonmember_action = 1
>> forward_auto_discards = 1
>> require_explicit_destination = 1
>> bounce_processing = 1
>> bounce_score_threshold = 1.0
>> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0
>> bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner = 0
>> bounce_notify_owner_on_disable = 0
>> bounce_notify_owner_on_removal = 0
>>
>> I'm at a loss as to what might be wrong.  Please help.  We haven't
>> tried out another list because we want to be sure everything is 
>> working
>> correctly first.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Anne Ramey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Lloyd F. Tennison
> lloyd_tennison at whoever.com
>
> No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
> However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
> inconvenienced.
>
Anne Ramey
Network Administrator
Blast Internet Services
919-545-2521  (800)-24-BLAST
http://www.blast.com




From cgregory at hwcn.org  Wed Mar  3 07:13:22 2004
From: cgregory at hwcn.org (Charles Gregory)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 01:13:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FOUND the RTFM
In-Reply-To: <1078288231.3178.333.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10403030104500.15739-100000@james.hwcn.org>


UPDATE: 
Now that I have the answers, I know what questions I should have asked:

1) Where are the README files - they are not on the www.list.org site!
   A: On RH9 they are in /usr/share/docs/mailman.

2) How do I configure HTTP to access the mailman GUI interface.
   A: On RH9 it is preconfigured - use http://www.site.tld/mailman
   (Note: You must configure the domain name URL and E-mail setup in
    /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py)

I searched the archives for this list and found further info on
configuring HTTP, and a copy of the README for integrating Mailman with
postfix. May I suggest adding this basic 'installation' info to the top of
the site administrator docs? 

Thansk!

- Charles

On 2 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 19:00, Charles Gregory wrote:
> > Hallo!
> > 
> > I'm trying to setup and run the standard mailman included with 
> > Red Hat Linux 9. This is an 'RPM' install, so I don't have the
> > source code files to read the 'README's. Supposedly, Mailman has an 
> > easy to use web based interface/control panel? I would appreciate
> > it if someone could help provide a link to a simple 'howto' for setting up
> > the initial web interface on RH9/Postfix. Presumably once I've got *that*
> > running, the site-admin pages should be fairly straight-forward.
> > 
> > Please reply directly, I am not on any mailing list for mailman (yet).
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > Charles Gregory      Hamilton CommunityNet Member Services
> > members at hwcn.org     Connecting the Community! www.hwcn.org
> 
> http://www.list.org/docs.html
> 
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 




From jeetu at cse.iitb.ac.in  Wed Mar  3 08:24:41 2004
From: jeetu at cse.iitb.ac.in (Jeetendra Mirchandani)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:54:41 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem
In-Reply-To: <1078288088.3178.330.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.40.0403031212250.11558-100000@chandra.cse.iitb.ac.in>


ok, i got a work arround, but not able to create lists

i installed v2.1.4 atleast 5 times, to finally get it working

it showed a 404 not found error.
i had installed it in /home/mailman

but i found out from http logs that it was searching for
/var/mailman/cgi-bin

so now i created a link to /home/mailman as /var/mailman

now i created the first list mailman with a password say 'abcd'

then configured it with the default template

now i create a sitewide passwd using bin/mmsitepass say 'xyz'

now i can login at myserver.com/mailman/admin/mailman with both the
passwords


then i use the info in README to create a test list

i go to myserver.com/mailman/create

it shows me a form
i try to create lists, using both the above password, with same and
different emailaddresses as that of mailman owner, but it gives me an
error saying
Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists

though i am allowed to create a list using bin/newlist

now what should i do?

Regards,
Jeetu
---
The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.
                                                  - Franklin P. Jones
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeetendra Mirchandani
MTech First Year, CSE.
Room C 616, Hostel 12, IITB.
9820878028
--------------------------------------------------------------------

On 2 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:

> On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 17:47, Jeetendra Mirchandani wrote:
> > i get a 404 error
> > my httpd.conf
> > ---------------------
> > ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
> >
> > <Directory "/home/mailman/cgi-bin">
> >   Options ExecCGI
> >     Order allow,deny
> >     Allow from all
> >
> > </Directory>
> > --------------------
> >
> > please help
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jeetu
> > ---
>
> > The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.
>
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> See the FAQ.  You really need to provide much more information - at
> least the version of mailman you are running and how it was installed,
> and what OS you are running.  Without those basics, most folks will
> simply write you off as un-helpable.
>
> If you also include the basic troubleshooting steps that you have
> already gone through, then folks will actually think you are helpable
> and will try to give you clues.
>
> Where did you install Mailman? Is it installed in /home/mailman and does
> /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ in fact exist?
>
> Good Luck with your Second posting for help
>
> Jon Carnes
>





From nospam at webdragon.net  Wed Mar  3 17:48:11 2004
From: nospam at webdragon.net (Scott R. Godin)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:48:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Question regarding certain list properties
References: <6498.78720655597$1078295578@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1611394.oVdOCLuUP5@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >

Scott R. Godin wrote:

In between sending this and responding to the list manager it seems I got
temporarily refused to allow to post this, so on the off chance that it
actually did not make it to the list, I'm re-sending it. Apologies if this
actually DID manage to get posted twice, and thanks for all replies. 

> I have a client whom I am doing a website for. The hosting provider has no
> list management software installed (they run FreeBSD), but has given me
> the tentative OK to suggest a package if I can find one that suits my
> needs, and which they will install.
> 
> First question is, If necessary, can it be installed and run solely from
> my client's $HOME if necessary, thus making the entire list package only
> available to my website client? If not, one presumes that vhosting clients
> can be enabled on an as-needed basis by the hosting provider.
> 
> Secondly, my clients particular needs are small, but his wants are many:
> 
>    o he wants to be able to post messages that every subscribed user
> receives (non-digested) immediately. (basically sales promotional, and new
> product announcements. that's it.) probably between one and five per
> month.
>    o no subscribed users will be allowed to post back to the _list_, only
>    to
> the reply address (which will be my client's sales at his.site.com address,
> more or less). any attempts by a subscriber to post to the list will be
> sent to the list owner's address instead and will NOT be seen by the other
> members of the list.
>    o no subscriber on the list will see another subscriber's e-mail
>    address
> in any mail received from the list (i.e. in CC: or whatever).
>    o subscription will initially be via a web-based form, which will send
>    a
> confirmation e-mail to the address supplied, and require a response from
> the end user to the effect of "yes this is me and I want to be subscribed"
> before adding them to the list.
>    o any further list interaction by the subscriber will be via _e-mail
> only_ to subscribe/unsubscribe/temporary-disable-and-reenable themselves
> to/from the list. No additional web-interface is required.
>    o the list itself will be text-only. no html.
> 
> Would all these options be configurable for a single vhosted client of a
> hosting-provider's server?
> 
> How much of this will the hosting provider have to configure for us, and
> 
> How much of it will we have to/be able to configure ourselves once we've
> been set up by the provider?
> 
> Very interested in seeing discussion on this. This is my first foray into
> list management as a website kinda guy, so I'm totally unaware of what to
> expect and don't want to presume too much, so if my questions seem
> excessive, I plead utter complete spastic ignorance. For the most part,
> FAQ's rarely ever answer any of the questions *I* usually have, and I go
> read them later (although I've already looked and confirmed that they do
> not contain these answers, or else I misunderstood)
> 
> I run red hat/fedora core at home and since this is bundled with Mailman,
> I figured you guys would be a good place to start my search for a list
> manager since I can play with it at home to test things.
> 
> I look forward to your replies and hope my search ends here. :)




From mburkett at kmvtechnologies.com  Wed Mar  3 18:07:30 2004
From: mburkett at kmvtechnologies.com (Mike Burkett)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 11:07:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Move a message to a different mailing list?
Message-ID: <CAB10B66157A3A4184EDA545FE5228153664F4@kmvaus01.austin.kmvtechnologies.com>

I run several mailing lists for a group. Some moderated, some open. 

 

Every once in a while someone will post a message to one of the
moderated groups (lets call it Announce) and it really belongs on the
unmoderated group (Discuss).

 

Is there any way to move a message that has been submitted, and is
waiting for moderator approval, to another list? 

 

I've seen the "forward" option, but then it looks like it is coming from
the Mailman system instead of the original poster.

 

-Mike

 

 

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From wheakory at isu.edu  Wed Mar  3 19:01:24 2004
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:01:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global filter
Message-ID: <40461D74.1060404@isu.edu>

How do I setup a global spam filter to discard any message, "sent to a 
mailman mailing list", that has the subject that contains the words:
e-mail

I what to discard them all, and not put them on hold.
What would be the syntax in the "mm_cfg.py" file to do this.
I'm using mailman 2.1.4  with Postfix.

-- 
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.




From wheakory at isu.edu  Wed Mar  3 19:15:18 2004
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:15:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman filter question
Message-ID: <404620B6.3090107@isu.edu>

How do I setup a global spam filter to discard any message, "sent to a 
mailman mailing list", that has the subject that contains the words:
e-mail

I what to discard them all, and not put them on hold.
What would be the syntax in the "mm_cfg.py" file to do this.
I'm using mailman 2.1.4  with Postfix.

-- 
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.




From ricardo at americasnet.com  Wed Mar  3 21:00:56 2004
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (ricardo)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:00:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!  -- Please Help.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403031200220.16690@mail1.americasnet.com>

Hi,

I'm getting this problem when attempting to enter the
private list archives via private.cgi and log in with a
subscriber's email and password. The login page comes up
fine, but once I input the email and password, I get the
error below.

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in
run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py", line
120, in main
    password, username):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
226, in WebAuthenticate
    print self.MakeCookie(ac, user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
233, in MakeCookie
    raise ValueError
ValueError





--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Python information:
Variable Value 
sys.version 2.3+ (#1, Oct 2 2003, 23:03:59) [GCC 3.3.1 (SuSE
Linux)]  
sys.executable /usr/bin/python  
sys.prefix /usr  
sys.exec_prefix /usr  
sys.path /usr  
sys.platform linux2  





From caleb at tucker-raymond.net  Wed Mar  3 22:38:56 2004
From: caleb at tucker-raymond.net (caleb t-r)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:38:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403031306160.24886-100000@elmer.xanthas.net>

Heya,

We are running Mailman 2.1.4 on FreeBSD 4.7, using sendmail 
and mhonarc as an external archiver. 

Every few weeks or so, the qrunner processes stop, leaving mailman locked. 

When I figure out that the lists have stopped running, I run mailmanctl -s 
start. But then a few weeks later, it happens again. 

I check the error log, and the last errors (some shunting, a recursion 
runtime error) happen a few hours before the most recent message to the 
list is sent.

The qfiles/shunt and locks/ directories are full of old stuff. Should I be 
cleaning these out somehow?

Any other hints? 

Thanks

Caleb T-R





From SJP at JRC.co.uk  Thu Mar  4 04:39:35 2004
From: SJP at JRC.co.uk (Simon Parsons)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:39:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bumped from the list
In-Reply-To: <p06020406bc6b89e7df5e@[193.121.73.9]>
References: <20040303122054.16732.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
	<p06020406bc6b89e7df5e@[193.121.73.9]>
Message-ID: <200403032239.36271@X-JRCMidlandsOffice>

On Wednesday 03 Mar 2004 08:20, Thomas Carpentier wrote:
> Mailman owner,
>
> After a success subscription last week and reception of messages from
> the list for two or three days, I realized yesterday I was
> unsubscribed from the list without notice.
>
> My assumption I was bouncing. If that's true, is it possible to tell
> us why we are bouncing. I can't fix the bounce if I don't know what's
> broke? Is it possible to get a warning before to be droped?
>
> Regards
>
> Thomas

You think YOU have problems.  I unsubscribed from here in November 2003.  
Suddenly, on 1st March I start to get mail again.
Suspect something went pear-shaped in List Land.. 
Probably explains why you suddenly fell off-list at the same time.
Mayb we're on a pre-November backup??

For the time being I'll lurk and see what's been happening here since I 
left ;-)

Simon




From isis at isisdesign.com  Wed Mar  3 21:41:35 2004
From: isis at isisdesign.com (Daniel Melnechuk)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:41:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on one server, archives on another
Message-ID: <p05210602bc6bf2c79ef2@[192.168.1.2]>

Dear Mailman Admins,

I would like to have mailman run on one server but have the archives 
(ie. the mailman/archives folder) deposited another server on the 
internet. Does anyone done this successfully  and how?

The reason is that the server that will run the list does not have a 
lot of disk space to allocate to archives.

Peace,
Dan Melnechuk






From joshuap at sdsc.edu  Wed Mar  3 23:56:39 2004
From: joshuap at sdsc.edu (Joshua Polterock)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 14:56:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bumped from the list
In-Reply-To: <200403032239.36271@X-JRCMidlandsOffice>
References: <20040303122054.16732.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
	<p06020406bc6b89e7df5e@[193.121.73.9]>
	<200403032239.36271@X-JRCMidlandsOffice>
Message-ID: <20040303225639.GB20769@sdsc.edu>

One more data point.

I too left the list sometime ago and found myself resubscribe
March 1.

Cheers,
Josh

On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 10:39:35PM -0500, Simon Parsons wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 Mar 2004 08:20, Thomas Carpentier wrote:
> > Mailman owner,
> >
> > After a success subscription last week and reception of messages from
> > the list for two or three days, I realized yesterday I was
> > unsubscribed from the list without notice.
> >
> > My assumption I was bouncing. If that's true, is it possible to tell
> > us why we are bouncing. I can't fix the bounce if I don't know what's
> > broke? Is it possible to get a warning before to be droped?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Thomas
> 
> You think YOU have problems.  I unsubscribed from here in November 2003.  
> Suddenly, on 1st March I start to get mail again.
> Suspect something went pear-shaped in List Land.. 
> Probably explains why you suddenly fell off-list at the same time.
> Mayb we're on a pre-November backup??
> 
> For the time being I'll lurk and see what's been happening here since I 
> left ;-)
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/



From bronto at csd-bes.net  Thu Mar  4 02:32:23 2004
From: bronto at csd-bes.net (Rob Brandt)
Date: Wed,  3 Mar 2004 17:32:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tieing Mailman to Spamassassin
Message-ID: <1078363943.b5c233905620e@horde.csd-bes.net>

I have a new mailing list that will likely attract spammers.  I need to tie this
in to my spamassassin installation and am not quite sure how to go about doing
it.  Here's my situation:

My mail server configuration is postfix-courier-imap with mysql authentication. 
I use virtual domains in postfix, and to enable spam filtering I have maildrop
installed and use a maildrop filter to pass email to spamassassin for analysis.
 This allows me to do spam control on a per-domain basis.  If I want spam
control on a particular domain, I set the postfix transport to "maildrop"; if
not I set it to "local".  It works well, but have never used it for mailing
lists.

I was hoping that I would be able to use the same method with this new mailman
list.  The domain is in fact dedicated to the mailing list, and no other email
will be routed through it.  To try it, I assigned the transport for that domain
to "maildrop" and created mail filter files for each of the mailman aliases. 
In the filter file for the actual mailing list, I put in the command to pass
the mail through to spamassassin.  It doesn't seem to work.  The email gets
processed through the list as if it hadn't been processed through spamassassin.
 I'm guess that this is exactly the case; that since the mailman aliases are
not real email accounts, the mailfilter files aren't even being looked at.

Am I wrong?  Or is there a better way to do this?

Thanks

Rob



From webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org  Thu Mar  4 02:59:54 2004
From: webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org (Jeff D)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:59:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bumped from the list
Message-ID: <1629.68.118.232.31.1078365594.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>


I too realized today that the list had been awfully quiet for a few days.
Unusually quiet. When I tried to log into the list's web interface for my
account at python.org, it told me there was "no such address subscribed to
the list" !

Again, my lack of receiving messages started on or about March 1.

So, what the heck happened?

Jeff D






From webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org  Thu Mar  4 03:04:47 2004
From: webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org (Jeff D)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:04:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: NDN: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bumped from the list
In-Reply-To: <fc.0118c767014a5afe3b9aca0052957ea2.14a5aff@ops.org>
References: <fc.0118c767014a5afe3b9aca0052957ea2.14a5aff@ops.org>
Message-ID: <1674.68.118.232.31.1078365887.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>


Oh great, now I am also getting "bounce" messages directly.

What the heck happened to this list in the last few days?

> Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:
>
> vanda282,OPS E-mail + (The name was not found at the remote site. Check
> that the name has been entered correctly.)








From jjohnson at umn.edu  Wed Mar  3 19:17:24 2004
From: jjohnson at umn.edu (Jeffrey M. Johnson)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:17:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive - HTML - Line Display
Message-ID: <smtpd.26f.404620cd.ae3a0.1@mhub-w5.tc.umn.edu>

We have a program which sends a transcript of a chat session to a mailing
list.

 

If you view the archives of the chat list via the web something interesting
happens, or doesn't happen, to the test.  There are no wrapping of long
sentences and paragraphs.  For example

 

"Please note that you are entering a co-browsing chat service. All
information displayed on your browser will be in view of the librarian, and
vice versa. To ensure your privacy, we advise you not to browse to any web
pages that you do not want the librarian to see during this chat session."

 

Appears as a single line and you must scroll to the right to read it on the
screen.   Is there a setting that I can use to force the word wrap?

 

 

Thanks in advance 

Jeff

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Mar  4 07:17:16 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 04 Mar 2004 01:17:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating lists based on a template
In-Reply-To: <C7A6AFD84BF4B44B88A1F2404306F0FE03925F@EXCHANGE03.baldwin.k12.ny.us>
References: <C7A6AFD84BF4B44B88A1F2404306F0FE03925F@EXCHANGE03.baldwin.k12.ny.us>
Message-ID: <1078381036.5371.202.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 11:03, Bowen, Robert wrote:
> I have searched the list archives for an answer, but haven't had much
> luck finding anything.  
> 
> I have multiple lists - one for each grade in our elementary schools,
> one for each grade in our high schools and some other lists that have
> for the most part the same attributes (Moderation on, don't send
> password monthly, etc.)
> 
> Is there a way to setup one list and copy the attributes to my other
> lists?  We don't have too many that I can't login to each one via the
> web and make the settings, I just think I could save a lot of time doing
> it the other way.
> 
> Thanks,
> Robert Bowen
> Baldwin UFSD
> 
In the past I've found the config_list command helpful here.

You can also modify most of the default settings used for list creation.
You'll find them in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py. To change them, copy
the settings over to mm_cfg.py and then modify them in there.

As an example, I *always* modify:
  DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 30

and set it to at least 100

HtH -
Jon Carnes





From kde at europages.com  Thu Mar  4 08:42:36 2004
From: kde at europages.com (Key Dof)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 08:42:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <1078319672.3151.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1078214169.38296.202.camel@ramses>
	<1078236048.3178.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1078236766.53362.36.camel@ramses>
	<1078246383.3178.72.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1078301980.54769.0.camel@ramses>
	<1078319672.3151.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1078386156.55258.53.camel@ramses>

Ok, thanks, i will go for it and ask again if i'll have a blocking
point.

On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 14:14, Jon Carnes wrote:
> The aliases from Mailman point to an application.  So all mail going to
> a list is handed to Mailman's posting application and the application
> will either hold the post or pass it out to the list (depending on the
> rules you have setup for the list).
> 
> HtH - Jon Carnes
> 
> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 03:19, Key Dof wrote:
> > Ok, but using the alias file, how will it stop the delivery to a list
> > from an unsubscribed user?
> > 
> > On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 17:53, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 09:12, Key Dof wrote:
> > > > Thanks a lot for you reply, in fact my question wasn't about the
> > > > possibility of being installed (as servers) but it's about the fact of
> > > > interacting, ie: when an email arrives to the server, if it knows where
> > > > to deliver it (a user or mailman).
> > > > If you confirm that it can be done, i will install it and go reading the
> > > > docs, but if it is impossible because it's either a user delivery or a
> > > > mailing list delivery, than i will have to start installing another
> > > > machine.
> > > > Thanks again
> > > > 
> > > Mailman uses the aliases file. Each mailing list adds several aliases to
> > > the aliases file. The only real user you need to add to the machine is
> > > one that is specifically setup to run the applications.  The name of
> > > that user is normally "mailman".
> > 




From srb at umich.edu  Thu Mar  4 15:17:33 2004
From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:17:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment header "mangling"
Message-ID: <2147483647.1078391853@[192.168.1.100]>

I put the "mangling" in quotes because I don't know whether it's considered 
legal or not...

This is Mailman 2.1.4, by the way...

Say I send a message to a list that I'm on, with a copy directly to myself. 
To that message, I attach a document with a really long name, like:

Response to Technical Issues - ETC - 
2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.d
oc

In the copy of the message that comes directly to me, the headers in the 
attachment look like this (line numbers inserted so you can tell where the 
line breaks really were):

1. Content-Type: application/msword;
2. name="Response to Technical Issues - ETC - 
2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.d
oc"
3. Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
4. Content-Disposition: attachment;
5. filename="Response to Technical Issues - ETC - 
2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.d
oc";
6. size=19742

Note that the 'name="...' and 'filename="...' elements were each one long 
line.

In the copy of the message that comes to me via the list, the corresponding 
headers in the attachment look something like:

1. Content-Type: application/msword; name="Response to Technical Issues
2. <tab>- ETC -2004-02-28-v3-
LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.doc"
3. Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
4. Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Response to Technical Issues
5. <tab>- ETC 
-2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.
doc";
6. <tab>size=19742

I've slightly changed the place that the long lines were broken, in hopes
that this message will make it through with its formatting mostly intact, 
but you get the idea.  What Mailman seems to be doing is reflowing the 
header -- has moved the 'name="...' and 'filename="...' elements up onto 
the end of the previous line, then decided that the resulting line was too 
long and broken it in the middle of a string.

This seems wrong to me (and to our director :-).  But maybe it's legal, and 
it's the client's fault for not properly re-assembling the header?

-- 
Steve Burling                                    <mailto:srb at umich.edu>
University of Michigan, ICPSR                    Voice: +1 734 615.3779
330 Packard Street                               FAX:   +1 734 647.8700
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910



From isis at isisdesign.com  Thu Mar  4 18:34:48 2004
From: isis at isisdesign.com (Daniel Melnechuk)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:34:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on one server, archives on another
In-Reply-To: <2E46DCA3-6D66-11D8-8876-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
References: <p05210602bc6bf2c79ef2@[192.168.1.2]>
	<2E46DCA3-6D66-11D8-8876-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <p05210600bc6d1772e880@[192.168.1.2]>

Thanks Dan and Joshua for your responses.

I will be going with http://www.mail-archive.com/ which produces 
searchable mail archives and is a wonderful free service that has 
been around since 1998.

Peace,
Dan

At 4:57 PM -0600 3/3/04, Dan Phillips wrote:
>On Mar 3, 2004, at 2:41 PM, Daniel Melnechuk wrote:
>>I would like to have mailman run on one server but have the 
>>archives (ie. the mailman/archives folder) deposited another server 
>>on the internet. Does anyone done this successfully  and how?
>>
>>The reason is that the server that will run the list does not have 
>>a lot of disk space to allocate to archives.
>>
>
>A simple way would be to tell mailman not to archive, but subscribe 
>an account on another machine to the list which feeds posts to 
>mhonarc or another archiver. You could also use an existing archive 
>service such as http://www.mail-archive.com/ to do this.
>
>Dan
>
>================================
>Dan Phillips
>Professor of Horn, University of Memphis
>site administrator: music.memphis.edu




From anne at isoc.org  Thu Mar  4 19:21:14 2004
From: anne at isoc.org (Anne Shroeder)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:21:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman migration/reinstall?
Message-ID: <HGEKLFPEOHKAOBIMHGHPCEHCGCAA.anne@isoc.org>

We've just had a crash and burn of our server and are migrating everything
to a new machine.  Mailman was previously installed by a consultant and I"m
unable to reach him.  Any resources/tips for help/consultants out there to
help with either migrating from our current machine or reinstalling?
Obviously it's pretty urgent :/  Please respond to anne at language-works.com
and not this email address.

Anne




From bronto at csd-bes.net  Thu Mar  4 19:24:56 2004
From: bronto at csd-bes.net (Rob Brandt)
Date: Thu,  4 Mar 2004 10:24:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tieing Mailman to Spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <1078363943.b5c233905620e@horde.csd-bes.net>
References: <1078363943.b5c233905620e@horde.csd-bes.net>
Message-ID: <1078424696.13596b7d9d23f@horde.csd-bes.net>

I've continued working on this and made changes as I thought carefully about
what is actually going on here.

Assuming that the email is being routed to mailman before the maildrop filter is
processed, I had the idea of piping the email to mailman *throuogh* the
maildrop filter, instead of with the alias.  That way, the maildrop filter can
pass it to spamassassin first using xfilter, then pipe it to mailman.

It doesn't work.  When I send a message to the list, postfix bounces it back
with the following message:

"<re-techtalk at re-techtalk.com>: Command died with status 2:
    "/usr/local/bin/maildrop". Command output: Failed to create default user
    preference file /var/spool/postfix/virtual/.spamassassin/user_prefs Group
    mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as
    group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as
    group "csdbes".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group
    "mailman", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
    `--with-mail-gid=csdbes'."

I understand what it's saying here, but I don't understand why.  I recognize
it's saying that the mailman process must be as the mailman group, but I don't
see why the pipe works from postfix alias (the non-virtual kind) but not piping
from maildrop.  Is there an argument to use that will set
"run as group mailman" for piping the message to mailman?

Rob

Quoting Rob Brandt <bronto at csd-bes.net>:

> I have a new mailing list that will likely attract spammers.  I need to tie
> this
> in to my spamassassin installation and am not quite sure how to go about
> doing
> it.  Here's my situation:
>
> My mail server configuration is postfix-courier-imap with mysql
> authentication.
> I use virtual domains in postfix, and to enable spam filtering I have
> maildrop
> installed and use a maildrop filter to pass email to spamassassin for
> analysis.
>  This allows me to do spam control on a per-domain basis.  If I want spam
> control on a particular domain, I set the postfix transport to "maildrop"; if
> not I set it to "local".  It works well, but have never used it for mailing
> lists.
>
> I was hoping that I would be able to use the same method with this new
> mailman
> list.  The domain is in fact dedicated to the mailing list, and no other
> email
> will be routed through it.  To try it, I assigned the transport for that
> domain
> to "maildrop" and created mail filter files for each of the mailman aliases.
> In the filter file for the actual mailing list, I put in the command to pass
> the mail through to spamassassin.  It doesn't seem to work.  The email gets
> processed through the list as if it hadn't been processed through
> spamassassin.
>  I'm guess that this is exactly the case; that since the mailman aliases are
> not real email accounts, the mailfilter files aren't even being looked at.
>
> Am I wrong?  Or is there a better way to do this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>





From barry at arhosting.com  Thu Mar  4 17:55:34 2004
From: barry at arhosting.com (Barry Smoke)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:55:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bumped from the list
In-Reply-To: <1629.68.118.232.31.1078365594.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>
References: <1629.68.118.232.31.1078365594.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>
Message-ID: <40475F86.5010106@arhosting.com>

I have been off this list for a long time...
and on the 1st, I started recieving list messages again...
strange..
Barry Smoke



Jeff D wrote:

>I too realized today that the list had been awfully quiet for a few days.
>Unusually quiet. When I tried to log into the list's web interface for my
>account at python.org, it told me there was "no such address subscribed to
>the list" !
>
>Again, my lack of receiving messages started on or about March 1.
>
>So, what the heck happened?
>
>Jeff D
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>  
>




From srb at umich.edu  Thu Mar  4 19:50:11 2004
From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:50:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment header "mangling"
Message-ID: <2147483647.1078408211@[192.168.1.100]>

I put the "mangling" in quotes because I don't know whether it's considered 
legal or not...

This is Mailman 2.1.4, by the way...

Say I send a message to a list that I'm on, with a copy directly to myself. 
To that message, I attach a document with a really long name, like:

Response to Technical Issues - ETC - 
2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.d
oc

In the copy of the message that comes directly to me, the headers in the 
attachment look like this (line numbers inserted so you can tell where the 
line breaks really were):

1. Content-Type: application/msword;
2. name="Response to Technical Issues - ETC - 
2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.d
oc"
3. Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
4. Content-Disposition: attachment;
5. filename="Response to Technical Issues - ETC - 
2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.d
oc";
6. size=19742

Note that the 'name="...' and 'filename="...' elements were each one long 
line.

In the copy of the message that comes to me via the list, the corresponding 
headers in the attachment look something like:

1. Content-Type: application/msword; name="Response to Technical Issues
2. <tab>- ETC -2004-02-28-v3-
LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.doc"
3. Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
4. Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Response to Technical Issues
5. <tab>- ETC 
-2004-02-28-v3-LetsMakeThisReallyReallyLongByAddingManyMoreWordsToTheTitle.
doc";
6. <tab>size=19742

I've slightly changed the place that the long lines were broken, in hopes
that this message will make it through with its formatting mostly intact, 
but you get the idea.  What Mailman seems to be doing is reflowing the 
header -- has moved the 'name="...' and 'filename="...' elements up onto 
the end of the previous line, then decided that the resulting line was too 
long and broken it in the middle of a string.

This seems wrong to me (and to our director :-).  But maybe it's legal, and 
it's the client's fault for not properly re-assembling the header?

-- 
Steve Burling                                    <mailto:srb at umich.edu>
University of Michigan, ICPSR                    Voice: +1 734 615.3779
330 Packard Street                               FAX:   +1 734 647.8700
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910



From srb at umich.edu  Thu Mar  4 19:55:24 2004
From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:55:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Attachment header "mangling"
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1078408211@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <2147483647.1078408211@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1078408524@[192.168.1.100]>

Ack!  My apologies for the double posting about this -- I read too 
hurriedly a rejection notice that claimed I wasn't allowed to post to the 
list, and didn't notice that it was from some other machine.

-- 
Steve Burling                                    <mailto:srb at umich.edu>
University of Michigan, ICPSR                    Voice: +1 734 615.3779
330 Packard Street                               FAX:   +1 734 647.8700
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910



From anders at norrbring.biz  Thu Mar  4 20:29:26 2004
From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:29:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different machines?
Message-ID: <200403041929.i24JT2rL019945@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com>

I'm thinking about a thing..

Is it possible to "split" Mailman's functions across machines?  What I want
to accomplish is to run the web-part on the machine that runs only apache
and the mail part on the second machine which acts as the mail server for
our domain?

A different approach would be to have mailman answer on a different port
than 80 for the web interface and redirect the calls to the second machine,
but it doesn't feel "right".


Anders Norrbring





From Javier at KJSL.COM  Thu Mar  4 20:33:57 2004
From: Javier at KJSL.COM (Javier Henderson)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:33:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different machines?
In-Reply-To: <200403041929.i24JT2rL019945@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com>
References: <200403041929.i24JT2rL019945@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com>
Message-ID: <20040304193357.GE25752@mta-a.kjsl.com>

* Anders Norrbring <anders at norrbring.biz> [040304 11:32]:

> Is it possible to "split" Mailman's functions across machines?  What I want
> to accomplish is to run the web-part on the machine that runs only apache
> and the mail part on the second machine which acts as the mail server for
> our domain?

Is this for performance reasons?

What we did in my installation is to run mailman on a dedicated machine,
which in turn hands off all the mail to a pair of servers running nothing
but MTA's (postfix in my case). Very good performance.

-jav



From ricardo at americasnet.com  Thu Mar  4 20:36:33 2004
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:36:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd:  We're sorry, we hit a bug!  -- Please Help!
Message-ID: <54976.206.17.88.100.1078428993.squirrel@www.americasnet.com>


Hi,

I sent this message out yesterday, but haven't received any replies... Can
someone help me out with this?


---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!  -- Please Help. From:
   "ricardo" <ricardo at americasnet.com>
Date:    Wed, March 3, 2004 12:00 pm
To:      mailman-users at python.org
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi,

I'm getting this problem when attempting to enter the
private list archives via private.cgi and log in with a
subscriber's email and password. The login page comes up
fine, but once I input the email and password, I get the
error below.

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in
run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py", line
120, in main
    password, username):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
226, in WebAuthenticate
    print self.MakeCookie(ac, user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
233, in MakeCookie
    raise ValueError
ValueError





--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Python information:
Variable Value
sys.version 2.3+ (#1, Oct 2 2003, 23:03:59) [GCC 3.3.1 (SuSE
Linux)]
sys.executable /usr/bin/python
sys.prefix /usr
sys.exec_prefix /usr
sys.path /usr
sys.platform linux2



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From anders at norrbring.biz  Thu Mar  4 20:48:29 2004
From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:48:29 +0100
Subject: SV: [Mailman-Users] Different machines?
In-Reply-To: <20040304193357.GE25752@mta-a.kjsl.com>
Message-ID: <200403041948.i24Jm5RE021945@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com>

> * Anders Norrbring <anders at norrbring.biz> [040304 11:32]:
> 
> > Is it possible to "split" Mailman's functions across machines?  What I
> want
> > to accomplish is to run the web-part on the machine that runs only
> apache
> > and the mail part on the second machine which acts as the mail server
> for
> > our domain?
> 
> Is this for performance reasons?
> 
> What we did in my installation is to run mailman on a dedicated machine,
> which in turn hands off all the mail to a pair of servers running nothing
> but MTA's (postfix in my case). Very good performance.


It's both performance and security reasons...  Anyway, you write that your
mailman server hands off all the mail to another machine running postfix,
that's exactly what I want to achieve.

No mail processing whatsoever on the web server (with mailman) and all the
mail processing on the dedicated mail server.  So, kind of gating over all
the mail from mailman (box 1) to the mailserver (box 2).

How do I set it up?  I'm not very experienced with mailman, and I really
don't find any relevant info anywhere. It seems like all docs are written
for running mailman and the postfix service on the same box.

Anders.





From anders at norrbring.biz  Thu Mar  4 21:10:59 2004
From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:10:59 +0100
Subject: SV: [Mailman-Users] Different machines?
In-Reply-To: <20040304193357.GE25752@mta-a.kjsl.com>
Message-ID: <200403042010.i24KAZRE026871@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com>

> * Anders Norrbring <anders at norrbring.biz> [040304 11:32]:
> 
> > Is it possible to "split" Mailman's functions across machines?  What I
> want
> > to accomplish is to run the web-part on the machine that runs only
> apache
> > and the mail part on the second machine which acts as the mail server
> for
> > our domain?
> 
> Is this for performance reasons?
> 
> What we did in my installation is to run mailman on a dedicated machine,
> which in turn hands off all the mail to a pair of servers running nothing
> but MTA's (postfix in my case). Very good performance.


So far, I've only found the parameter "SMTPHOST", which of course could be
set as any smtp host, but that would only be effective for outgoing mails,
right?

How should I go about to make incoming mails, both list mails and
administrative mails to go from that external mail host into the mailman
system?

Anders.





From dwight at significant.com  Thu Mar  4 21:10:46 2004
From: dwight at significant.com (Dwight A. Ernest)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 15:10:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extra newline inserted into subject line
Message-ID: <40478D46.4040209@significant.com>

To quote from a manager of one of the mailing lists on a site I manage:

-----
For some reason there has been a "feature"--stable through multiple
releases of Mailman--that is quite irritating.

Under some condition(s) message arrive with a newline character inserted
into the subject line.  It may be as simple as a line of greater than a
certain length.

An example:

The original message subject was fine, viz

Subject: [Mailman-Announce] Terri Oda's List Member Manual now available

When you forwarded it, it became

Subject: [UUA-List-owners] [Fwd: [Mailman-Announce] Terri Oda's List
Member\nManual now available]

(The \n shows the newline in a standard unix escapement.)

As far as I can determine, this does come from Mailman, as opposed to
being passed through or generated on my receipt.  It's a minor nit, but
if there's an easy fix, I'd sure appreciate it.
-----

There are some message archive hits related to this, including one
(http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg20343.html)
hinting that the fix is simple. I searched the sources (2.1.4), though,
and I could not find the relevant bits where this is modifiable.

Any ideas?

-- 
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From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Mar  4 22:21:43 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:21:43 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bumped from the list
In-Reply-To: <40475F86.5010106@arhosting.com>
References: <1629.68.118.232.31.1078365594.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>
	<40475F86.5010106@arhosting.com>
Message-ID: <EF6B41CF-6E21-11D8-99CC-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>

On 4 Mar 2004, at 16:55, Barry Smoke wrote:

> I have been off this list for a long time...
> and on the 1st, I started recieving list messages again...
> strange..
> Barry Smoke
>
>

You are not alone in finding your mailman-users list membership status 
mysteriously changed.

Maybe it is something to do with the fact the list is now running MM 
2.1.5b1. Maybe that upgraded was done for 1st Mar and something went 
awry (maybe it should have been planned for 1st Apr :-)

>
> Jeff D wrote:
>
>> I too realized today that the list had been awfully quiet for a few 
>> days.
>> Unusually quiet. When I tried to log into the list's web interface 
>> for my
>> account at python.org, it told me there was "no such address 
>> subscribed to
>> the list" !
>>
>> Again, my lack of receiving messages started on or about March 1.
>>
>> So, what the heck happened?
>>
>> Jeff D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> Searchable Archives: 
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From ricardo at americasnet.com  Thu Mar  4 22:30:28 2004
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:30:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd:  We're sorry, we hit a bug!  -- Please Help!
In-Reply-To: <0A13A3D3-6E1D-11D8-99CC-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <54976.206.17.88.100.1078428993.squirrel@www.americasnet.com>
	<0A13A3D3-6E1D-11D8-99CC-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1076.64.30.205.75.1078435828.squirrel@www.americasnet.com>

Thank you for your feedback, Richard.

I'm not sure why you say the traceback doesn't match MM 2.1.4. I'm running
MM 2.1.4, I installed from mailman-2.1.4.tgz some time ago.

The install is pretty much stock, I only made some modifications to the
MailList.py module, but I have not changed any of the modules mentioned in
the traceback.

My set of python RPMs (in a SUSE system) are:

python-mysql-0.9.2-52
python-devel-2.3-49
mod_python-2.7.8-427
python-2.3-49
python-curses-2.3-49
python-tk-2.3-49

What other information can I provide to help?

Ricardo

> On 4 Mar 2004, at 19:36, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I sent this message out yesterday, but haven't received any replies...
>> Can
>> someone help me out with this?
>>
>
> At a minimum you need to say what versions of Mailman and Python you
> are running. The line numbers in the traceback do not match MM 2.1.4,
> the latest stable release, and the versions of software may well affect
> the interpretation of your problem. It would also help if you indicate
> if any modifications have been made to the standard MM distribution or
> patches applied. Looking at the current stable MM code it is difficult
> to see how this error could arise with unmodified code but an older
> version of MM may have an inherent problem which might lead to it.
>
>>
>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>> ----------------------------
>> Subject: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!  -- Please Help.
>> From:
>>    "ricardo" <ricardo at americasnet.com>
>> Date:    Wed, March 3, 2004 12:00 pm
>> To:      mailman-users at python.org
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm getting this problem when attempting to enter the
>> private list archives via private.cgi and log in with a
>> subscriber's email and password. The login page comes up
>> fine, but once I input the email and password, I get the
>> error below.
>>
>> Traceback:
>>
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in
>> run_main
>>     main()
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py", line
>> 120, in main
>>     password, username):
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
>> 226, in WebAuthenticate
>>     print self.MakeCookie(ac, user)
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
>> 233, in MakeCookie
>>     raise ValueError
>> ValueError
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---------
>>
>> Python information:
>> Variable Value
>> sys.version 2.3+ (#1, Oct 2 2003, 23:03:59) [GCC 3.3.1 (SuSE
>> Linux)]
>> sys.executable /usr/bin/python
>> sys.prefix /usr
>> sys.exec_prefix /usr
>> sys.path /usr
>> sys.platform linux2
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> Searchable Archives:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> Searchable Archives:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>
>






From dajoy at openworldlearning.org  Fri Mar  5 03:59:30 2004
From: dajoy at openworldlearning.org (Daniel Ajoy)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:59:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htmls back to txt.gz
Message-ID: <4047A6C2.719.1DA2B1@localhost>

Hi,

I have list that does not have the txt.gz file available for a year.

Is there a way to create it?

Is there a way to convert the already generated html pages into a txt.gz
file that is missing?

Daniel




From opp+mailman at pik.musin.de  Fri Mar  5 08:26:50 2004
From: opp+mailman at pik.musin.de (Oliver Paulzen)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:26:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] form-action tag and http-redirects -> a solution?
Message-ID: <20040305072649.GJ23807@kenobi.nymphen.musin.de>

Dear Mailman-users,

the following has already been discussed on this list but the
suggested solutions don't satisfy my needs which are to provide
mailinglist services to two kind of customers:

* users on out internal network
* users somewhere on the internet

The first group of people have to be able to use the mailman
webinterface via HTTP, the later are forced to connect with HTTPS
(company policy, not negotiable)

We're kind of forced to realize this by setting up the mailman server
on our internal network and to provide the webinterface though an
existing reverse-proxy (squid with https in reverse-proxy mode) to the
outside world.
In addition to the squid running on the reverse-proxy machine, an
apache-server listens on the same (outside) address. All it does is to
redirect http-requests to the corresponding https-url using
mod_rewrite.

And that's where the story begins:

Customers who connect to the mailman interface from the internet
through our reverse-proxy aren't able to "submit their changes". This
is because "http://ourserver/somecgi" is hardcoded in each 
<form action=...> -tag, so the submit-request is sent to the
reverse-proxys' apache which does the redirection to the squid. The
post-data gets lost on the way and the request ends up doing nothing.

To make a long story short: I really don't understand why the
form-action has to have the whole protocol and servername in its
target. Is there any reason for not using the "relative" uri and to
let the browser do its job of forming the complete url? This way, the
interface would be independent of servername and protocol as seen
by the browser. Maybe I don't see the "whole picture" here, but this
is what gives us a bad headache in our setup.

Actually, I did some code digging (probably because I'm just too blind
to find the right configuration value to solve my problem easily). I'm
not much of a python-hacker (not much of a programmer at all in fact),
but the attached "patch" does seem to fit our needs by removing
"http://" and the servers' name from DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN before
forming the form-action tag in htmlformat.py.

What do you think? Does it break anything I don't see right now?
Is there a chance to get this feature as an optional function into the
official mailman code?

Any comment is appreciated.

Thanks for listening :)

cu,
 Oliver
-------------- next part --------------
--- Mailman/htmlformat.py.dist	Wed Mar  3 00:04:15 2004
+++ Mailman/htmlformat.py	Wed Mar  3 21:52:17 2004
@@ -28,6 +28,7 @@
 
 
 import types
+import re
 
 from Mailman import mm_cfg
 from Mailman import Utils
@@ -413,7 +414,7 @@
         if self.encoding:
             encoding = 'enctype="%s"' % self.encoding
         output = '\n%s<FORM action="%s" method="%s" %s>\n' % (
-            spaces, self.action, self.method, encoding)
+            spaces, re.sub('^https?://[^/]+','',self.action), self.method, encoding)
         output = output + Container.Format(self, indent+2)
         output = '%s\n%s</FORM>\n' % (output, spaces)
         return output

From svie at speakeasy.net  Fri Mar  5 08:56:10 2004
From: svie at speakeasy.net (Ben Durbin)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 23:56:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage return and newline in member address?
Message-ID: <000c01c40287$532cc520$3f825d42@gout>

Somehow we ended up with a list member with an address like
bob at domain.com\r\n\r\nbob at domain.com and I'm having trouble removing the
user using the web admin tool or the command line tools.

Tried the following on the command line:

./remove_members listname bob at domain.com\r\n\r\nbob at domain.com
./remove_members listname 'bob at domain.com\r\n\r\nbob at domain.com'

Neither of the above worked.

Can anyone recommend a way of removing this user from the list? I'm
fairly new to mailman admin so I don't doubt I'm missing something
simple.

Thanks in advance for any help,
 
Ben





From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Mar  5 09:02:17 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 17:02:17 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage return and newline in member address?
In-Reply-To: <000c01c40287$532cc520$3f825d42@gout>
References: <000c01c40287$532cc520$3f825d42@gout>
Message-ID: <40483409.5060905@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Try this faq
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.013.htp

Ben Durbin wrote:

> Somehow we ended up with a list member with an address like
> bob at domain.com\r\n\r\nbob at domain.com and I'm having trouble removing the
> user using the web admin tool or the command line tools.
> 
> Tried the following on the command line:
> 
> ./remove_members listname bob at domain.com\r\n\r\nbob at domain.com
> ./remove_members listname 'bob at domain.com\r\n\r\nbob at domain.com'
> 
> Neither of the above worked.
> 
> Can anyone recommend a way of removing this user from the list? I'm
> fairly new to mailman admin so I don't doubt I'm missing something
> simple.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help,
>  
> Ben
> 
-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From wegge at bakkelygaard.dk  Fri Mar  5 08:06:38 2004
From: wegge at bakkelygaard.dk (Anders Wegge Jakobsen)
Date: 05 Mar 2004 08:06:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem
Message-ID: <m2k71zlqm9.fsf@obelix.bakkelygaard.dk>

I have installed mailman 2.1.2 on a Fedora Core 1 system, and followed
the instructions i INSTALL.REDHAT.

 However, I seem to have a problem with the 'mailman' mailing
list. First, it appears as a public list, and second, I cannot access
the administrative web interface for this list. When trying to access
<http://localhost/mailman/admin/mailman>, the browser is redirected to
the list overview <http://localhost/mailman/listinfo>.

 Does anybody have an idea about what can be wrong and/or where to
look for error messages? I cnnot find anything in /var/log/mailman/*.

-- 
/Wegge <http://outside.bakkelygaard.dk/~wegge/>
echo mail: !#^."<>"|tr "<> mail:" dk at wegge




From svie at speakeasy.net  Fri Mar  5 09:09:51 2004
From: svie at speakeasy.net (Ben Durbin)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 00:09:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage return and newline in member address?
In-Reply-To: <40483409.5060905@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <001201c40289$3bf84d00$3f825d42@gout>

Worked, thanks. My apologies for the insufficient FAQ sweep.

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: Tokio Kikuchi [mailto:tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp] 
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:02 AM
To: svie at speakeasy.net
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Carriage return and newline in member
address?

Try this faq
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.013.htp

Ben Durbin wrote:

> Somehow we ended up with a list member with an address like
> bob at domain.com\r\n\r\nbob at domain.com and I'm having trouble removing
the
> user using the web admin tool or the command line tools.
> 
> Tried the following on the command line:
> 
> ./remove_members listname bob at domain.com\r\n\r\nbob at domain.com
> ./remove_members listname 'bob at domain.com\r\n\r\nbob at domain.com'
> 
> Neither of the above worked.
> 
> Can anyone recommend a way of removing this user from the list? I'm
> fairly new to mailman admin so I don't doubt I'm missing something
> simple.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help,
>  
> Ben
> 
-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/





From list at hellforge.org  Fri Mar  5 09:22:06 2004
From: list at hellforge.org (Thomas Sittig)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 09:22:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] interface with php
Message-ID: <404838AE.1020701@hellforge.org>

greets,
i know, there are some cmdline scripts under the /bin directory. based 
on that, i start to create a php framework.
so long, so good. but the first problem comes with the first script 
executable.
the problem are the permissions. if i want to use the cmdline scripts, i 
have as "wwwrun"-user not the right permissions for listfiles, f.e. 
"config.pck".
now, try'd to put the wwwrun user, or the nogroup group, into the 
mailman group. with no effect.

has anyone a idea? ;)






From paux at paukner.cc  Fri Mar  5 09:40:25 2004
From: paux at paukner.cc (Stephan Paukner)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:40:25 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TypeError: cannot add type "list" to string
Message-ID: <26334.213.164.18.60.1078476025.squirrel@213.164.18.60>

Hello,

Since yesterday all mails to only a certain mailinglist get stuck in
qfiles/shunt. If I try to repost it via /usr/sbin/sendmail thelist at myhost
< the_message (where the_message is the output of bin/show_qfiles -q
qfiles/shunt/THEMESSAGE.pck with the additional headers removed) it
happens again. If I send it to another (test-)mailinglist at my site, it
gets processed correctly.

In /var/log/mail.log I see that postfix has correctly piped it to
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post thelist". In logs/error I see the
following (sorry for bad line-wrapping):


Mar 04 18:10:46 2004 (765) Uncaught runner exception: cannot add type
"list" to
string
Mar 04 18:10:46 2004 (765) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in
_dispo
se
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in
_dopip
eline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 90, in process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in
send_dige
sts
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 304, in
send_i18n
_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in
process
    url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 395, in
save_atta
chment
    path = os.path.join(fsdir, filebase + extra + ext)
TypeError: cannot add type "list" to string


What could be broken at mylist? Platform is Debian stable, Mailman-2.1.3

TIA for help or hints!

Regards

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From paux at paukner.cc  Fri Mar  5 09:51:08 2004
From: paux at paukner.cc (Stephan Paukner)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:51:08 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TypeError: cannot add type "list" to string
In-Reply-To: <26334.213.164.18.60.1078476025.squirrel@213.164.18.60>
References: <26334.213.164.18.60.1078476025.squirrel@213.164.18.60>
Message-ID: <26376.213.164.18.60.1078476668.squirrel@213.164.18.60>

Stephan Paukner wrote:
> Since yesterday all mails to only a certain mailinglist get stuck

Sorry, I was wrong, this is the case for all the lists.

Regards
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From gao-s02 at mails.tsinghua.edu.cn  Fri Mar  5 10:33:10 2004
From: gao-s02 at mails.tsinghua.edu.cn (=?gb2312?B?uN/JvQ==?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:33:10 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error: user unknown
Message-ID: <278478840.28918@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>

Hi,
Just now, I installed Mailman2.1.4 on my computer running Fedora Core 1.
I followed INSTALL and created a new list named "ccc" for test.

Finally I got this error message.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi. This is the deliver program at mails.tsinghua.edu.cn.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

ccc at tu069007.tsinghua.edu.cn <-------------this is my computer
550 5.1.1 ... User unknown 
--- Attachment is a copy of the message.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

It told me there is not a user called ccc(mail list's name)
I use Sendmail and Mailman can send me mail.
How to solve this problem?
Thanks.

gaoshan




From paux at paukner.cc  Fri Mar  5 10:38:47 2004
From: paux at paukner.cc (Stephan Paukner)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:38:47 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TypeError: cannot add type 
In-Reply-To: <26334.213.164.18.60.1078476025.squirrel@213.164.18.60>
References: <26334.213.164.18.60.1078476025.squirrel@213.164.18.60>
Message-ID: <26693.213.164.18.60.1078479527.squirrel@213.164.18.60>

I managed to get rid off this by upgrading to 2.1.4 (from 2.1.3)

Still, it is strange that this error occured although I didn't change
anything in the configurations/installations.


Stephan Paukner wrote:
> Mar 04 18:10:46 2004 (765) Uncaught runner exception: cannot add type
> "list" to string
> Mar 04 18:10:46 2004 (765) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in
> _dispo
> se
>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in
> _dopip
> eline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 90, in
> process
>     send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in
> send_dige
> sts
>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 304, in
> send_i18n
> _digests
>     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in
> process
>     url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 395, in
> save_atta
> chment
>     path = os.path.join(fsdir, filebase + extra + ext)
> TypeError: cannot add type "list" to string



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From list at hellforge.org  Fri Mar  5 10:43:15 2004
From: list at hellforge.org (Thomas Sittig)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:43:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error: user unknown
In-Reply-To: <278478840.28918@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>
References: <278478840.28918@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>
Message-ID: <40484BB3.10508@hellforge.org>

hi,
i think, your mailserver (qmail or sendmail) can't delivered the mails
or find the user.
maybe, you should check there mailqueue, if there are some pending messages.

???? wrote:

>Hi,
>Just now, I installed Mailman2.1.4 on my computer running Fedora Core 1.
>I followed INSTALL and created a new list named "ccc" for test.
>
>Finally I got this error message.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Hi. This is the deliver program at mails.tsinghua.edu.cn.
>I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
>This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
>ccc at tu069007.tsinghua.edu.cn <-------------this is my computer
>550 5.1.1 ... User unknown 
>--- Attachment is a copy of the message.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>It told me there is not a user called ccc(mail list's name)
>I use Sendmail and Mailman can send me mail.
>How to solve this problem?
>Thanks.
>
>gaoshan
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>  
>





From jamie at silverdream.org  Fri Mar  5 11:16:04 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:16:04 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] i am not getting any mails to my list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402261059360.26441-100000@hurricane.ee.iitm.ac.in>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402261059360.26441-100000@hurricane.ee.iitm.ac.in>
Message-ID: <1078481763.1119.37.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 05:37, dvp at hurricane.ee.iitm.ac.in wrote:
> I have installed mailman-2.1.4.tgz in RedHat Linux 9.0 and using 
>  postfix-1.1.12-1 .
> 
> My Problem is i am not getting mail which i sent to the list named 
> systest.
> 
> but in /var/log/maillog , it shows status as sent .i don't know what 
> happend to that mail.
> 
> I checked in mailman FAQ.still i couldn't solve this problem.
> can any one give me a good source abt configuring mailman with postfix.
> can any one  help me to solve this.

Make sure that the Mailman qrunner processes are started (ps waux | grep
qrunner), if they aren't start them by using 'mailmanctl start', under
my Debian installation that's at /var/lib/mailman/bin but YMMV.

Concerning using Mailman with Postfix check the README.POSTFIX file that
comes with Mailman it has detailed instructions on what you need to
change in Postfix to get it to work with Mailman. 

If however you're using virtual domains as I am, then you'll need
something else - I'm using a python script called postfix-to-mailman,
then all mailing list mail gets sent to lists.* which is fed to
postfix-to-mailman.py by Postfix, and then goes on to Mailman. It's not
pretty (it's a resource hog, since mail has to be fed to a python
script, and Postfix can't know whether the mail it accepts for
lists.whatever will bounce), but having said all that, it does work.

If you want it - it's available at:
http://www.gurulabs.com/files/postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py

HTH

-j

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From jamie at silverdream.org  Fri Mar  5 11:16:05 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:16:05 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help??
In-Reply-To: <195.265b4796.2d6e88e6@aol.com>
References: <195.265b4796.2d6e88e6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1078481765.1119.38.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 23:25, Jlgs21 at aol.com wrote:
> I need a little bit of help with the configuration....
> 
> What we are basically gonna use the mail list for is for mass emails (i have 
> a site where i post upcomin music events happening in the area, and we send 
> weekly emails with upcomin events to subscribed persons)
> what setting should i use to do this??
> I only want one email address to be able to send emails to everyone. 
> thanks!!!

Use the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11

-j

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From yoroshiku_tk at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  5 11:23:10 2004
From: yoroshiku_tk at hotmail.com (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCISEbKEIgGyRCIXkbKEJTaG91aGVpGyRCISohQRsoQg==?=)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:23:10 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restriction
Message-ID: <BAY8-F60S26hqgcBmrc00037988@hotmail.com>

I am totally new to mailman and I would like to know how to set it so only 
Admins can post and members cant and they can only view the emails? Please 
help. Thankyou.

_________________________________________________________________
???24?????????MSN ??????????????????? 
http://messenger.msn.co.jp 




From jamie at silverdream.org  Fri Mar  5 12:46:33 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 11:46:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restriction
In-Reply-To: <BAY8-F60S26hqgcBmrc00037988@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY8-F60S26hqgcBmrc00037988@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1078487193.1119.40.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 10:23, ? ?Shouhei?? wrote:
> I am totally new to mailman and I would like to know how to set it so only 
> Admins can post and members cant and they can only view the emails? Please 
> help. Thankyou.

Use the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11
and see the docs at: http://www.list.org/docs.html

-j

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From rcaskey at uga.edu  Fri Mar  5 15:35:19 2004
From: rcaskey at uga.edu (Rob Caskey)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:35:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved List Has Bad Archive Directories
Message-ID: <53E39A44-6EB2-11D8-AE9E-000A95A76C18@uga.edu>

The old lists used to reside in /home/mailman and the new ones live in 
/var/mailman.

I get daily messages from crond like:

List tech_committee has a bogus archive_directory: 
/home/mailman/archives/private/tech_committee
List uga_trombone_choir has a bogus archive_directory: 
/home/mailman/archives/private/uga_trombone_choir
List linux_class has a bogus archive_directory: 
/home/mailman/archives/private/linux_class

...and so on

I open the list config in vi and I can see the archive directories. I 
dump them out to the editable file but the archive dirs dont show up as 
options to edit. I was going to try to just put in 
public_archive_file_dir = '/var/mailman/archives/public' by hand and 
see if that fixed things but I found that even if I do

/var/mailman/bin/config_list -o /tmp/jazz.cfg jazz
/var/mailman/bin/config_list -i /tmp/jazz.cfg jazz

it hangs while reimporting. Any suggestions? This is really getting my 
goat. It gets fixed by symlinking /home/mailman to /var/mailman but 
it's the principle of the thing!

Thanks,
--Rob

PS: I want to stick with Yellowdog 3.0's stop version of mailman, so 
I'd rather not upgrade if I don't have too...




From robert.palmer at greetin.gs  Fri Mar  5 11:05:59 2004
From: robert.palmer at greetin.gs (Robert Palmer)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 05:05:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Move entire mailman configuration
Message-ID: <40485107.3090303@greetin.gs>

I am deploying a new server and want to move the all of my mailing lists 
and configuration over to it with a
minimum of downtime. I would be grateful for advice on how to do this. 
This new server will replace my
existing server so domain names, ip addresses etc will all be identical. 
I propose to install mailman and then
perform a backup / restore of the mailman directories etc.

Thank you.




From gbaker at cs.mun.ca  Thu Mar  4 13:58:24 2004
From: gbaker at cs.mun.ca (Greg Baker)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:28:24 -0330 (NST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archive template
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403040926220.18785-100000@garfield.cs.mun.ca>

Hi all.  Hopefully you can help me.

When I create a new list, and go to the archives, it tells me there are 
none found, and then points me to a link:

http://testserver.cs.mun.cslistinfo/testlist

Notice how there is not / between the server and listinfo?  I tried adding 
the / to the host in Defaults.py, and it worked but broke a lot of other 
stuff.

Can anyone tell me how to fix this?  Thanks!!
  Greg




From karres at itg.uiuc.edu  Thu Mar  4 17:18:55 2004
From: karres at itg.uiuc.edu (Dean Karres)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:18:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member-only lists and non-member postings
Message-ID: <20040304161855.GA3217@zeus.itg.uiuc.edu>

Hi,

We have created a number of member-only, read-oly lists using MailMan.
As far as I can tell all of the lists are configured the same, but there
are many options on manu pages and I could be mistaken.

We have seen the following over the last two days.  All of the lists are
set to auto-discard mon-member postings while sending the list owner a
note saying what just happened.  This is working almost, but not quite,
100% of the time.

Two days ago we received several spam / virus loaded messages from
obviously fake non-members on a few of our mailing lists.  All were
stopped and discarded -- except two.  Those two messages were aimed at
out largest mailing list.

This list is also read-only and moderated.  The configuration shows that
it is supposed to discard non-member mail but I received mailman 
reminders that these two messages were pending modersation!  How'd that
happen?

How did it happen when other similar lists dicarded these notes
normally?

I sent non-member notes to the list and they were discarded.  I sent
non-member messages with the same MIME type "multipart/mixed" and they
were discarded.

Ok, the real question is, if I want to do side-by-side comparisons of
two or more list configurations, how is this done?  I have looked for
text config files but have not seen them.  I have found ".pck> files
called "config" but they are "data" or possibly database files.

Dean...K...

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From anders at norrbring.biz  Thu Mar  4 17:53:10 2004
From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:53:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different machines?
Message-ID: <200403041652.i24GqoRE011360@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com>

I'm thinking about a thing..

Is it possible to "split" Mailman's functions across machines?  What I want
to accomplish is to run the web-part on the machine that runs only apache
and the mail part on the second machine which acts as the mail server for
our domain?

A different approach would be to have mailman answer on a different port
than 80 for the web interface and redirect the calls to the second machine,
but it doesn't feel "right".


Anders Norrbring





From bnospamb at earthlink.net  Fri Mar  5 02:51:54 2004
From: bnospamb at earthlink.net (Brian Barnier)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:51:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] looking for a list manager software
Message-ID: <000801c40254$702e7de0$6401a8c0@ibmbb>

hello,

I am looking for a list manager software.  I don't run a server.  I just have outlook express.  Have several hundred people on a support group mailing list that is difficult to manage.  

Trying to find a product that enables me to more easily manage duplications, add, deletes and such as well as features like those in Eudora (for timed delivery and privacy of respondents (as this is a mental health support group).

Would Mailman meet this need?  If not, is there something you can suggest?  Thank you very much.

Brian
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From lars at rockar.nu  Fri Mar  5 11:44:19 2004
From: lars at rockar.nu (Lars Andersson)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:44:19 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max_message_size does not work
In-Reply-To: <1078481763.1119.37.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403051139300.3356-100000@bsd.rockar.nu>

I've installed the latest and greatest Mailman. If I set
max_message_size to 40 and sends an 100kb mail (with attachments) it
does not get any special treatment at all and I'm able to send it to the
list.

Any clues on what I'm doing wrong?

regards
/Lars




From early.overgaag at zonnet.nl  Fri Mar  5 15:45:06 2004
From: early.overgaag at zonnet.nl (Early Overgaag)
Date: Fri,  5 Mar 2004 15:45:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using your Mailman service
Message-ID: <1078497906.40489272664d1@webmail.zonnet.nl>

dear Mailman, 

I have a question regarding your free service. 

If I used your free of charge service (Mailman) to support my group mailing 
list, can I charge my group members for using the mailinglist or for 
receiving newsletters from us although I get it for free from you?! 
I can't find this information on you site. Please advise. 

-- 
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"Express Yourself Always To The Loved Ones"





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From craig.elkins at verizon.net  Fri Mar  5 16:57:00 2004
From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:57:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: Email Posted correct date in archives but
	received by list members a month later!
Message-ID: <016c01c402ca$7f1a5ce0$42f4c597@computer>

Hi all,

I've got a situation where a member posted to the list on feb 4th and just now the list members received the email - any ideas why this would happen?

Craig
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From craig.elkins at verizon.net  Fri Mar  5 17:35:57 2004
From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:35:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email posted to archive on correct date but members
	didn't receive email til one month later
Message-ID: <001d01c402cf$f034e260$42f4c597@computer>

Hi all,

I apologize if this is a repeat email. Basically, I'm trying to figure out why an email posted on feb 4th (it's in the archives) and the list members didn't receive it until today!  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Craig
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From opp at musin.de  Wed Mar  3 23:01:22 2004
From: opp at musin.de (Oliver Paulzen)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 23:01:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] form-action tag and http-redirects -> a solution?
Message-ID: <20040303220120.GA23807@kenobi.nymphen.musin.de>

Dear Mailman-users,

the following has already been discussed on this list but the
suggested solutions don't satisfy my needs which are to provide
mailinglist services to two kind of customers:

* users on out internal network
* users somewhere on the internet

The first group of people have to be able to use the mailman
webinterface via HTTP, the later are forced to connect with HTTPS
(company policy, not negotiable)

We're kind of forced to realize this by setting up the mailman server
on our internal network and to provide the webinterface though an
existing reverse-proxy (squid with https in reverse-proxy mode) to the
outside world.
In addition to the squid running on the reverse-proxy machine, an
apache-server listens on the same (outside) address. All it does is to
redirect http-requests to the corresponding https-url using
mod_rewrite.

And that's where the story begins:

Customers who connect to the mailman interface from the internet
through our reverse-proxy aren't able to "submit their changes". This
is because "http://ourserver/somecgi" is hardcoded in each 
<form action=...> -tag, so the submit-request is sent to the
reverse-proxys' apache which does the redirection to the squid. The
post-data gets lost on the way and the request ends up doing nothing.

To make a long story short: I really don't understand why the
form-action has to have the whole protocol and servername in its
target. Is there any reason for not using the "relative" uri and to
let the browser do its job of forming the complete url? This way, the
interface would be independent of servername and protocol as seen
by the browser. Maybe I don't see the "whole picture" here, but this
is what gives us a bad headache in our setup.

Actually, I did some code digging (probably because I'm just too blind
to find the right configuration value to solve my problem easily). I'm
not much of a python-hacker (not much of a programmer at all in fact),
but the attached "patch" does seem to fit our needs by removing
"http://" and the servers' name from DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN before
forming the form-action tag in htmlformat.py.

What do you think? Does it break anything I don't see right now?
Is there a chance to get this feature as an optional function into the
official mailman code?

Any comment is appreciated.

Thanks for listening :)

cu,
 Oliver
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+++ Mailman/htmlformat.py	Wed Mar  3 21:52:17 2004
@@ -28,6 +28,7 @@
 
 
 import types
+import re
 
 from Mailman import mm_cfg
 from Mailman import Utils
@@ -413,7 +414,7 @@
         if self.encoding:
             encoding = 'enctype="%s"' % self.encoding
         output = '\n%s<FORM action="%s" method="%s" %s>\n' % (
-            spaces, self.action, self.method, encoding)
+            spaces, re.sub('^https?://[^/]+','',self.action), self.method, encoding)
         output = output + Container.Format(self, indent+2)
         output = '%s\n%s</FORM>\n' % (output, spaces)
         return output

From SHardy at imany.com  Thu Mar  4 14:38:35 2004
From: SHardy at imany.com (Scott Hardy)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:38:35 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List administration - can you clone a list
	configuration?
Message-ID: <98771DD908470C49AF3B579BEEF1C199F780FE@njexchange.imany.com>

Does anyone know if it is possible to clone a list instead of manually
creating each one from scratch?

Scott Hardy
Director Technical Support
I-many, Inc.
6th Floor
511 Congress St
Portland, ME 04101
Phone: 207-228-2326
Fax: 207-828-0491


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From orang55 at att.net  Fri Mar  5 04:02:20 2004
From: orang55 at att.net (Andrew Schmadel)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 22:02:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Footer?
Message-ID: <84B2C5A9-6E51-11D8-9D65-000393D54A96@att.net>

Hi,

Is it possible to attach a snippet of HTML to the bottom of each 
message processed by mailman?  The footer option in the control panel 
seems to be turning it to text for me...

Any help would be appreciated
Andrew




From thomas.desrosier at navy.mil  Thu Mar  4 18:45:34 2004
From: thomas.desrosier at navy.mil (Desrosier, Thomas G CDR)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:45:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I need some help please.
Message-ID: <2BC2B02DD3D5504894CB997D8D4067E801744FFA@NAEAWNYDEX09VA.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil>

I run a mailing list via you guys entitled:  dare2believeweekly at dare2believe.com.  Apparently something is wrong because none of my postings get sent out to my subscribers.  Can you help?
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From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Mar  5 17:46:17 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:46:17 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: Email Posted correct date in archives but
	received by list members a month later!
In-Reply-To: <016c01c402ca$7f1a5ce0$42f4c597@computer>
References: <016c01c402ca$7f1a5ce0$42f4c597@computer>
Message-ID: <9F96624A-6EC4-11D8-99CC-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>


On 5 Mar 2004, at 15:57, Craig Elkins wrote:

> Hi all,
> ?
> I've got a situation where a member posted to the list on feb 4th and 
> just now the list members received the email - any ideas why this 
> would happen?
> ?

Take a look at the Received: headers for the message as received by a 
subscriber to the list. These headers should show where the time was 
spent.

> Craig




From jamie at silverdream.org  Fri Mar  5 17:46:51 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 16:46:51 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email posted to archive on correct date but
	members didn't receive email til one month later
In-Reply-To: <001d01c402cf$f034e260$42f4c597@computer>
References: <001d01c402cf$f034e260$42f4c597@computer>
Message-ID: <1078505210.19744.2.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 16:35, Craig Elkins wrote:
> I apologize if this is a repeat email. Basically, I'm trying to figure
> out why an email posted on feb 4th (it's in the archives) and the list
> members didn't receive it until today!  Any help would be greatly
> appreciated.

Firstly, please don't send HTML mail...

Have you tried looking at the logs both from your MTA and Mailman?

-j

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From mailman at sgtst.com  Fri Mar  5 19:22:52 2004
From: mailman at sgtst.com (Nancy S)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 13:22:52 -0500
Subject: [mailman-users] member-only lists and non-member postings
In-Reply-To: <E1AzIPW-0005sX-41@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040305124237.02aac230@mail.shoemakergroup.com>

At 11:42 AM 3/5/04 -0500,  Dean Karres wrote:

>Two days ago we received several spam / virus loaded messages from
>obviously fake non-members on a few of our mailing lists.  All were
>stopped and discarded -- except two.  Those two messages were aimed at
>out largest mailing list.

In the last 48 hours, two messages with faked (nonmember) addresses and virus attachments got through to our member-only lists. Between the first and second attack, I changed the administrator and moderator passwords and I haven't shared the new passwords with anyone. One of the lists is *very* tightly controlled and none of the 3 folks who could post without moderation has reported their system being compromised. The logfiles show nothing but the messages going through as if they had been from unmoderated members of the list (but the sender in the logfile is clearly a nonmember). I don't see anything in the headers of the messages that would indicate why they bypassed the moderator.

While this doesn't answer Dean's question about how to compare the configurations of two lists, my gut is telling me the lists are properly configured and something else is going on. Any clues would be appreciated.

Thanks!

-Nancy




From peter at mccarroll.org  Fri Mar  5 19:25:01 2004
From: peter at mccarroll.org (Peter McCarroll)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:25:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not getting message headers coming through
Message-ID: <008a01c402df$3098a850$8e00a8c0@PMCCARROLL>

I am using Mailman 2.1.3 and am not receiving the message header (non-digest
options; msg_header) when HTML messages are sent through the system.  When
Plain Text messages are processed, the header is added, but not on HTML
messages.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
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From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Mar  5 13:04:47 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:04:47 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restriction
In-Reply-To: <1078487193.1119.40.camel@localhost>
References: <BAY8-F60S26hqgcBmrc00037988@hotmail.com>
	<1078487193.1119.40.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <40486CDF.3090805@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>


> On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 10:23, ? ?Shouhei?? wrote:
> 
>>I am totally new to mailman and I would like to know how to set it so only 
>>Admins can post and members cant and they can only view the emails? Please 
>>help. Thankyou.
> 
> 
> Use the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11

Or,
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

> and see the docs at: http://www.list.org/docs.html

Also you can find a Japanese support mailing list at
http://mm.tkikuchi.net/

-- 
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http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/
?780-8520 ?????????????




From pierce at hogranch.com  Fri Mar  5 21:56:24 2004
From: pierce at hogranch.com (John R Pierce)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:56:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade, problem with archives on vhost.
Message-ID: <003201c402f4$526987a0$0200a8c0@hogranch.com>

Hey.  I just upgraded my 2.0.x(3?) to 2.1.4, and after some struggle to get 
it all working again, everything is flying, *except*...

The lists that are on my 'native' domain are working great, but the ones on 
my alternate virtual hostnames aren't linking to the archives properly.

for instance,  on http://www.hogranch.com/mailman/listinfo/strawberry   the 
archive link goes to http://www.hogranch.com/mailman/private/strawberry/ as 
it should...

But, on http://troop604.org/mailman/listinfo/families  the archives link is
http://troop604.org/pipermail/

which is obviously wrong.   AH, it seems if I set the archives to PRIVATE, 
the link works (.../mailman/private/<listname>), but if its set to 'PUBLIC', 
it comes up wrong.

any clues? 




From paonia at z-iwin.org  Sat Mar  6 01:15:11 2004
From: paonia at z-iwin.org (Paonia Ezrine-N'Shaiha)
Date: 05 Mar 2004 19:15:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message numbering
Message-ID: <1078532111.8929.1612.camel@cosmic.home.welcomehome.org>

I would like to include message number either at the bottem or top of
every massage so the people on my lists will know when they are missing
a message.
Something like:
Message #:7 
would be fine.
Thanks,
Paonia





From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sat Mar  6 01:45:59 2004
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:45:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird mailman hangs
Message-ID: <20040306004559.GA6450@hq.newdream.net>

I've been seeing some weird hangs with Mailman in the last few
days. We have a large number of lists, running 2.1.4 w/ htdig patches.
This is a system that's been running with no problems for quite a while
(without any major changes that I'm aware of).

In most cases, removing all lockfiles other than the master qrunner
processes seems to restore normal operation. None of the lists that
seem to be causing things to hang are large at all (most seem to have
about 5-6 members). The processes need a SIGKILL to die - sending them
a SIGTERM does nothing.

Nothing unusual in $MAILMAN_DIR/logs/error (or other logs other than
"locks") AFAICT. A bunch of these:

locks:Mar 03 11:23:52 2004 (21323) xxxx.lock lifetime has expired, breaking

Mailman is running on local disk (not over NFS); this is on a Debian
Linux 3.0 system, with Python 2.1.3, and Mailman built from source
(Python 1.5 and 2.2 are installed as well, but 2.1.3 is the default and
the one that Mailman is probably using). The clock is synched using NTP,
and nothing appears to be wrong with NTP at the moment.

I've also had some problems with the Mailman master qrunner process
itself not dying when stopped via mailmanctl; I've had to send a SIGKILL
to the mailman user's processes, remove all lockfiles and then restart
Mailman. For now, I've just been doing a "watch ls" in
/home/mailman/locks, and keeping an eye out for locks that are sitting
there way too long or for a total lack of activity.

I'd be happy to send more information (either on or off list) if there's
anything else that would be helpful. I'm not an expert on Python (or
programming in general), and while I've administered Mailman lists, I'm
not the person who normally deals with this particular installation.

Running strace on the pid of one of these long-running processes usually
shows something repetitive like this:

old_mmap(NULL, 249856, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40304000
munmap(0x40341000, 249856)              = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 249856, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40341000
munmap(0x40304000, 249856)              = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 249856, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40304000
munmap(0x40341000, 249856)              = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 249856, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40341000
munmap(0x40304000, 249856)              = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 249856, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40304000
munmap(0x40341000, 249856)              = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 249856, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40341000
munmap(0x40304000, 249856)              = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 249856, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40304000
munmap(0x40341000, 249856)              = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 249856, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40341000
munmap(0x40304000, 249856)              = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 249856, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40304000
munmap(0x40341000, 249856)              = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 249856, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40341000
munmap(0x40304000, 249856)              = 0

or this:
brk(0x8340000)                          = 0x8340000
brk(0x830a000)                          = 0x830a000
brk(0x8325000)                          = 0x8325000
brk(0x8340000)                          = 0x8340000
brk(0x830a000)                          = 0x830a000
brk(0x8325000)                          = 0x8325000
brk(0x8340000)                          = 0x8340000
brk(0x830a000)                          = 0x830a000
brk(0x8325000)                          = 0x8325000
brk(0x8340000)                          = 0x8340000
brk(0x830a000)                          = 0x830a000
brk(0x8325000)                          = 0x8325000
brk(0x8340000)                          = 0x8340000
brk(0x830a000)                          = 0x830a000
brk(0x8325000)                          = 0x8325000
brk(0x8340000)                          = 0x8340000

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")




From Judson.Bishop at eamc.org  Sat Mar  6 02:49:40 2004
From: Judson.Bishop at eamc.org (Judson Bishop)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:49:40 -0600 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] withlist fix_url help on virtual host table
Message-ID: <D47222F9F30BD811BBB400065B3BAA0A5EA80A@mailman.eamc.org>

Mailman works, at least partially.  I can send messages to the list and they
are sent out to the list.  However, when a new user tries to sign up for the
list the POST action is not correct and they cannot sign up.

>From http://www.eastalabamacycling.org/mailman/listinfo/eacc
  <form Method=POST
ACTION="http://eastalabamacycling.org/mailman/listinfo/eacc"> 
                                 ^^^^^^
It should be:
   <form Method=POST
ACTION="http://www.eastalabamacycling.org/mailman/listinfo/eacc"> 
                                  ^^^^^^^^
This is the command I ran:
./withlist -l -r fix_url eacc -u eastalabamacycling.org

When I look at the command help for fix_url it says it looks up urlhost in
the virtual host table and sets the web_page_url and host_name attributes of
the list to the values found.  I obviously do not have this set properly.
If I have a default host of surfing.edgeoftheweb.org and want to use
www.eastalabamacycling.org as the host for mailman what do I change?

I have two domains on this server, eastalabamacycling.org and
edgeoftheweb.org.  The host name is surfing.edgeoftheweb.org.
I would like the mailing lists used for the cycling club. 

Versions of software:
apache 2.0.46
mailman 2.1.1-5
postfix 2.0.11-4
cyrus-imapd-2.1.16-5
cyrus-sasl-2.1.15-3
All running on RedHat.

In my httpd.conf:
<VirtualHost *:80>
    ServerAdmin webmaster at eastalabamacycling.org
    DocumentRoot /var/www/cycling/html
    ServerName www.eastalabamacycling.org:80
    ErrorLog logs/cycling-error.log
    CustomLog logs/cycling-access.log common
# Below is all mailman stuff
    ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
    Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
    <Directory /var/mailman/archives>
        Options +FollowSymlinks
    </Directory>
     RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$
http://www.eastalabamacycling.org/mailman/listinfo
#
</VirtualHost>

Please note the RedirectMatch line is all on one line. 

In mm_cfg.py:
DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'surfing.edgeoftheweb.org'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'edgeoftheweb.org' 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Jud Bishop

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From barry at python.org  Sat Mar  6 04:50:45 2004
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 22:50:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SF.net March 2004 POTM
Message-ID: <1078545044.18592.162.camel@anthem.wooz.org>

Hey folks, quick note.  Mailman's the March 2004 SourceForge.net project
of the month.

http://sourceforge.net/potm/potm-2004-03.php

-Barry





From gao-s02 at mails.tsinghua.edu.cn  Sat Mar  6 09:23:36 2004
From: gao-s02 at mails.tsinghua.edu.cn (=?gb2312?B?uN/JvQ==?=)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:23:36 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Will a user named YOURMAILLIST be added after a
	mail list named YOURMAILLIST was created?
Message-ID: <278561066.27441@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>

Hi guys,
I am using mailman2.1.4.
I installed sendmail and mailman on one machine.
I got a problem that after I post message to my maillist I got a message
which told me there was not a user named mymaillist on my Mailman machine.
Will a user named YOURMAILLIST be added after a mail list named YOURMAILLIST
was created?

gstide




From gao-s02 at mails.tsinghua.edu.cn  Sat Mar  6 09:23:36 2004
From: gao-s02 at mails.tsinghua.edu.cn (=?gb2312?B?uN/JvQ==?=)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:23:36 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error: user unknown
In-Reply-To: <278479509.12415@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>
Message-ID: <278561067.03801@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>

Hi,
My description maybe not very clear.
The problem I met is that I can not post message to my mail list.
I sent a mail to my list via the email server B, then I got a error message,
"there was not such a user" from B.
At the same time, Mailman can send me message, such as "welcome join this
mail list", "you created a mail list successfully" etc.
I installed Sendmail 8.12.10 and Mailman 2.1.4 on the same machine.
So the problem is the Mailman can send mails but it can't receive mail.


-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Sittig [mailto:list at hellforge.org] 
Sent: 2004??3??5?? 17:43
To: ????
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error: user unknown

hi,
i think, your mailserver (qmail or sendmail) can't delivered the mails
or find the user.
maybe, you should check there mailqueue, if there are some pending messages.

???? wrote:

>Hi,
>Just now, I installed Mailman2.1.4 on my computer running Fedora Core 1.
>I followed INSTALL and created a new list named "ccc" for test.
>
>Finally I got this error message.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Hi. This is the deliver program at mails.tsinghua.edu.cn.
>I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
>This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
>ccc at tu069007.tsinghua.edu.cn <-------------this is my computer
>550 5.1.1 ... User unknown 
>--- Attachment is a copy of the message.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>It told me there is not a user called ccc(mail list's name)
>I use Sendmail and Mailman can send me mail.
>How to solve this problem?
>Thanks.
>
>gaoshan
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>  
>





From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr  Sat Mar  6 16:20:24 2004
From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:20:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with the mail hostname
Message-ID: <4049EC38.4070000@ccr.jussieu.fr>

I'm having troubles with the name used by mailman for sending mails: it 
keeps using the real hostname, whereas it is configured for using an alias.

I have this setting in mm_cfg.py:
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST  = 'lists.zarb.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST    = 'lists.zarb.org'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

All list configuration says also host_name is lists.zarb.org, all URLs 
are OK, but it keep sending mails as @katu3.zarb.org, instead of 
@lists.zarb.org. What is wrong there ?
-- 
As soon as a still-to-be-finished computer task becomes a life-or-death 
situation, the power fails.
		-- Wood's Axiom



From dajoy at openworldlearning.org  Sat Mar  6 17:02:54 2004
From: dajoy at openworldlearning.org (Daniel Ajoy)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:02:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Fwd) htmls back to txt.gz
Message-ID: <4049AFDE.27629.8C58AD@localhost>


------- Forwarded message follows -------
From:           	Daniel Ajoy <dajoy at openworldlearning.org>
To:             	mailman-users at python.org
Subject:        	htmls back to txt.gz
Date sent:      	Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:54:16 -0500

Hi,

I have list that does not have the txt.gz file available for a year.

Is there a way to create it?

Is there a way to convert the already generated html pages into a txt.gz
file that is missing?

Daniel

------- End of forwarded message -------




From darryl at harvey.net.au  Sat Mar  6 17:10:37 2004
From: darryl at harvey.net.au (Darryl Harvey)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 03:10:37 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] please run connect () first ??
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040307030236.01f44af0@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>

I have installed mailman on RedHat 9, mailman version is 2.1.1, and postfix 
version 2.0.10 using mysql lookups...

When I try to send an email to a group (of about 75 or more people (yet to 
find size limit)), The email appears in the archive, but never gets 
delivered to any of the list members.

in the /var/log/mailman/error log I see;

Mar 05 18:55:42 2004 (5019) SHUNTING: 
1078473034.484252+9be7f8767534969c4728ee34ca181cc8b178782e
Mar 05 18:58:42 2004 (5019) Uncaught runner exception: please run connect() 
first
Mar 05 18:58:42 2004 (5019) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 61, in _dispose
     self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 150, in process
     conn.quit()
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 80, in quit
     self.__conn.quit()
   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 702, in quit
     self.docmd("quit")
   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 357, in docmd
     self.putcmd(cmd,args)
   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 313, in putcmd
     self.send(str)
   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 305, in send
     raise SMTPServerDisconnected('please run connect() first')
SMTPServerDisconnected: please run connect() first


Any ideas?

Thanks
Darryl




From maschneider at numenon.com  Sat Mar  6 02:32:31 2004
From: maschneider at numenon.com (Mark Schneider)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:32:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!
Message-ID: <OOEJLKCPLHMDPCBAPEHIIEJCCFAA.maschneider@numenon.com>

I am desperate for a little help.

I maintain a mailing list that uses Mailman 2.0.13. But that's it!!! I have
a friend who installed it but he is AWOL in Japan, and the list has stopped
working...I suspect that the clash of viruses is the cause.

Here is my urgent question: since I have no access to the server or anything
else, is there a simple way for me to export the raw list of email
addresses?  I only have access to the administration interface.

Please, please help!

I maintain this list as a volunteer for a Buddhist meditation group.

mark Schneider
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.608 / Virus Database: 388 - Release Date: 2004-03-03




From anders at norrbring.biz  Sat Mar  6 18:31:05 2004
From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:31:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL / port problems..
Message-ID: <200403061730.i26HUIRE021792@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com>


I'm struggling with setting up mailman with a web server running on port 800
instead of 80, so of course I would like to have the correct URL showing up
everywhere..  But it doesn't in the e-mails from the system when f.x. a user
wants to join.

In mm_cfg.py I have these URL related settings:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'the-server.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.the-server.net:800'
DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.the-server.net:800/mailman/'

In the mails originating from the mailman system I get this URL:

http://www.the-server.net/mailman/confirm/list/6546546sdf6s5a4f

As you can see, port 800 is omitted!

Anders Norrbring





From paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com  Sat Mar  6 19:10:10 2004
From: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com (Paulo Dinis)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:10:10 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Message rejected
In-Reply-To: <DOEGLPDHCNMOAOCEKJICOEFFCLAA.paulo.dinis@paulodinis.com>
Message-ID: <DOEGLPDHCNMOAOCEKJICGEHDCLAA.paulo.dinis@paulodinis.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: 	Paulo Dinis [mailto:paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com]
Sent:	quinta-feira, 4 de Mar?o de 2004 23:39
To:	mailman-users at python.org
Subject:	RE: Message rejected

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Paulo Dinis - Comercial [mailto:comercial at paulodinis.com]
Sent:	quinta-feira, 4 de Mar?o de 2004 23:37
To:	mailman-users at python.org
Subject:	Message rejected

Hello to all,

I?m  having a problem for quite some days.
Whenever I sent a message to my mailing list I get this message plus the
original message in attachment.
For whoever send an email to the mailing list, the same happens, although
the original message is distributed to the subscribers.
Anyone to give a clue ?
Thank?s.

Paulo Dinis

Certified Safety Tecnician
Ergonomist
Website : http://www.paulodinis.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: 	Mailman-owner at brest.servershost.net
[mailto:Mailman-owner at brest.servershost.net]
Sent:	quinta-feira, 4 de Mar?o de 2004 23:23
To:	comercial at paulodinis.com
Subject:	teste

You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been
automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are being rejected
in error, contact the mailing list owner at
Mailman-owner at brest.servershost.net.




From ericw at virtual-remodel.com  Sat Mar  6 19:27:51 2004
From: ericw at virtual-remodel.com (Eric W.)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:27:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest stopped sending daily
Message-ID: <E1AzgWj-0006GR-9U@dactyl.affordablehost.com>

I run a mailing list using mailman that has stopped sending the digest on a
daily basis, even though the selection for sending a daily digest is set
properly. The mailman software is installed by my hosting service, and
they're somewhat puzzled as to what happened. The digest stopped on 2/6. It
still sends when it reaches the size limit, or I can send it manually, but
no daily digest.
 
Any suggestions as to what I can do from the admin panel, or that I can send
to the techs at my hosting service?
 
Thanks!
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From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Sat Mar  6 19:57:56 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:57:56 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL / port problems..
In-Reply-To: <200403061730.i26HUIRE021792@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com>
References: <200403061730.i26HUIRE021792@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com>
Message-ID: <2E2D3F01-6FA0-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>

On 6 Mar 2004, at 17:31, Anders Norrbring wrote:

>
> I'm struggling with setting up mailman with a web server running on 
> port 800

It probably isn't important but port 800 is listed in:

http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers

as being conventional for a different service to HTTP. 8080 and 8008 
are more conventionally used as alternative HTTP ports to port 80. The 
only reason I mention it is that if you are publishing on the internet 
you are more likely to encounter users having access problems with  
"unusua" outbound port numbers if they are behind very restrictively 
configured firewalls.

> instead of 80, so of course I would like to have the correct URL 
> showing up
> everywhere..  But it doesn't in the e-mails from the system when f.x. 
> a user
> wants to join.
>
> In mm_cfg.py I have these URL related settings:
>
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'the-server.net'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.the-server.net:800'

This value for DEFAULT_URL_HOST is wrong, do not put the port number in 
this it is _just_ the hostname's FQDN that goes here.

> DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.the-server.net:800/mailman/'

The DEFAULT_URL is OK but the following FAQ entry may explain some 
other things you need to do:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

>
> In the mails originating from the mailman system I get this URL:
>
> http://www.the-server.net/mailman/confirm/list/6546546sdf6s5a4f
>
> As you can see, port 800 is omitted!
>
> Anders Norrbring
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar  6 21:54:21 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Mar 2004 15:54:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!
In-Reply-To: <OOEJLKCPLHMDPCBAPEHIIEJCCFAA.maschneider@numenon.com>
References: <OOEJLKCPLHMDPCBAPEHIIEJCCFAA.maschneider@numenon.com>
Message-ID: <1078606461.4422.35.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 20:32, Mark Schneider wrote:
> I am desperate for a little help.
> 
> I maintain a mailing list that uses Mailman 2.0.13. But that's it!!! I have
> a friend who installed it but he is AWOL in Japan, and the list has stopped
> working...I suspect that the clash of viruses is the cause.
> 
> Here is my urgent question: since I have no access to the server or anything
> else, is there a simple way for me to export the raw list of email
> addresses?  I only have access to the administration interface.
> 
> Please, please help!
> 
> I maintain this list as a volunteer for a Buddhist meditation group.
> 
> mark Schneider

Mark,

Simply go to the Web-admin for the list and look at the "membership
management" pages.  Cut and paste the addresses out of there.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar  6 21:57:52 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Mar 2004 15:57:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Will a user named YOURMAILLIST be added after
	a	mail list named YOURMAILLIST was created?
In-Reply-To: <278561066.27441@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>
References: <278561066.27441@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>
Message-ID: <1078606672.4422.39.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 03:23, ?? wrote:
> Hi guys,
> I am using mailman2.1.4.
> I installed sendmail and mailman on one machine.
> I got a problem that after I post message to my maillist I got a message
> which told me there was not a user named mymaillist on my Mailman machine.
> Will a user named YOURMAILLIST be added after a mail list named YOURMAILLIST
> was created?
> 
> gstide
> 
It depends on where you add the list from. If you do it from the
commandline you can specify to the "newlist" command that it add it to
the aliases file (you will still need to run "newalises" for sendmail to
see the new aliases).

If you add it from the Web-admin, you will need to add the aliases
yourself (unless you have Postfix and the Postfix integration turned on)
- or have written a small script to add it to your Sendmail aliases file
automagically.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar  6 21:59:02 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Mar 2004 15:59:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error: user unknown
In-Reply-To: <278561067.03801@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>
References: <278561067.03801@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn>
Message-ID: <1078606741.4422.41.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 03:23, ?? wrote:
> Hi,
> My description maybe not very clear.
> The problem I met is that I can not post message to my mail list.
> I sent a mail to my list via the email server B, then I got a error message,
> "there was not such a user" from B.
> At the same time, Mailman can send me message, such as "welcome join this
> mail list", "you created a mail list successfully" etc.
> I installed Sendmail 8.12.10 and Mailman 2.1.4 on the same machine.
> So the problem is the Mailman can send mails but it can't receive mail.
> 
Check out FAQ 3.14. This sounds like a classic case of the aliases not
being added.

Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar  6 22:10:36 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Mar 2004 16:10:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with the mail hostname
In-Reply-To: <4049EC38.4070000@ccr.jussieu.fr>
References: <4049EC38.4070000@ccr.jussieu.fr>
Message-ID: <1078607435.4422.53.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 10:20, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
> I'm having troubles with the name used by mailman for sending mails: it 
> keeps using the real hostname, whereas it is configured for using an alias.
> 
> I have this setting in mm_cfg.py:
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST  = 'lists.zarb.org'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST    = 'lists.zarb.org'
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> 
> All list configuration says also host_name is lists.zarb.org, all URLs 
> are OK, but it keep sending mails as @katu3.zarb.org, instead of 
> @lists.zarb.org. What is wrong there ?

This is also in the FAQ, you may have created the list before completing
your setup... in fact, you may have completed your setup as a result of
troubleshooting the first couple of lists that you created.

Once a list is created it is standalone and incorporates  most of the
current defaults as individual values within the list's configuration
files. Unfortunately Barry has hidden this particular attribute and no
longer displays it in the WebAdmin. You will have to manually modify
those defaults by using the commandline Mailman tool "withlist".

You will find examples for howto use Withlist inside the application,
you will also find examples in the FAQ.

Barry: could we make this a *Displayed* value for a list - even if you
do not want to make it a editable value in the 2.1.x series. Perhaps we
could make the Web-admin list creation have two boxes to define a lists
address:
 - a box for the list_name
 - a drop down box that makes folks choose their "virtual domain". Or if
only one domain is available, then just show the current domain it will
use.

Jon Carnes




From ricardo at americasnet.com  Sat Mar  6 22:11:04 2004
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (ricardo)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:11:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PLEASE, help...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403061304260.2991@mail1.americasnet.com>

Hi,

I've sent this message a couple of times, and have replied to it, but I 
can't get to the bottom of the issue.

The only reply I've gotten is one saying that I probably am not using the 
latest version of MM, but that is not the case. I am using MM 2.1.4, I 
have a client using MM which cannot access the private list archive. 
Attempting to login to the archive results in an error. Here's the error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in
run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py", line
120, in main
    password, username):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
226, in WebAuthenticate
    print self.MakeCookie(ac, user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
233, in MakeCookie
    raise ValueError
ValueError

Information for my setup:

My set of python RPMs (in a SUSE system) are:

python-mysql-0.9.2-52
python-devel-2.3-49
mod_python-2.7.8-427
python-2.3-49
python-curses-2.3-49
python-tk-2.3-49

The python files reported in the traceback:

# ls -l /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver
-rw-r--r--    1 root     mailman      9162 Jan  8 16:44 
/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver

# ls -l /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py
-rw-r--r--    1 root     mailman      5500 Jan  8 16:44 
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py

 # ls -l /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py
-rw-r--r--    1 root     mailman     15023 Jan  8 16:44 
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py

I have not altered any of these files. 

Can someone please help me out? My client is complaining and I can't seem 
to get this problem resolved.

Ricardo



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar  6 22:14:16 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Mar 2004 16:14:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Fwd) htmls back to txt.gz
In-Reply-To: <4049AFDE.27629.8C58AD@localhost>
References: <4049AFDE.27629.8C58AD@localhost>
Message-ID: <1078607655.4422.56.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 11:02, Daniel Ajoy wrote:
> ------- Forwarded message follows -------
> From:           	Daniel Ajoy <dajoy at openworldlearning.org>
> To:             	mailman-users at python.org
> Subject:        	htmls back to txt.gz
> Date sent:      	Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:54:16 -0500
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have list that does not have the txt.gz file available for a year.
> 
> Is there a way to create it?
> 
> Is there a way to convert the already generated html pages into a txt.gz
> file that is missing?
> 
> Daniel
> 
Daniel, I've parsed html archives and generated an mbox file from those
before. It's a very time-consuming task.

Is that perchance what you are talking about?

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar  6 22:28:46 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Mar 2004 16:28:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] please run connect () first ??
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040307030236.01f44af0@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040307030236.01f44af0@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
Message-ID: <1078608526.4422.70.camel@localhost.localdomain>

First (and most important) read the README.POSTFIX on your system and
follow the advice there on integrating Postfix with Mailman. 

If that does not solve it then look at your Delivery Defaults used in
~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (and Defaults.py)
  DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
  MTA = 'Manual'
  POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = []
  POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias'
  POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap'
  SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
  SMTPPORT = 0       # default from smtplib 
  SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail'

Make sure that Postfix is listening on Localhost port 25. Make sure that
Localhost is defined in your /etc/hosts file

Read FAQ 3.14

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 11:10, Darryl Harvey wrote:
> I have installed mailman on RedHat 9, mailman version is 2.1.1, and postfix 
> version 2.0.10 using mysql lookups...
> 
> When I try to send an email to a group (of about 75 or more people (yet to 
> find size limit)), The email appears in the archive, but never gets 
> delivered to any of the list members.
> 
> in the /var/log/mailman/error log I see;
> 
> Mar 05 18:55:42 2004 (5019) SHUNTING: 
> 1078473034.484252+9be7f8767534969c4728ee34ca181cc8b178782e
> Mar 05 18:58:42 2004 (5019) Uncaught runner exception: please run connect() 
> first
> Mar 05 18:58:42 2004 (5019) Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
>      self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>    File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
>      keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>    File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 61, in _dispose
>      self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>    File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 150, in process
>      conn.quit()
>    File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 80, in quit
>      self.__conn.quit()
>    File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 702, in quit
>      self.docmd("quit")
>    File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 357, in docmd
>      self.putcmd(cmd,args)
>    File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 313, in putcmd
>      self.send(str)
>    File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 305, in send
>      raise SMTPServerDisconnected('please run connect() first')
> SMTPServerDisconnected: please run connect() first
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks
> Darryl
> 






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar  6 22:36:39 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Mar 2004 16:36:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest stopped sending daily
In-Reply-To: <E1AzgWj-0006GR-9U@dactyl.affordablehost.com>
References: <E1AzgWj-0006GR-9U@dactyl.affordablehost.com>
Message-ID: <1078608999.4422.74.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 13:27, Eric W. wrote:
> I run a mailing list using mailman that has stopped sending the digest
> on a daily basis, even though the selection for sending a daily digest
> is set properly. The mailman software is installed by my hosting
> service, and they're somewhat puzzled as to what happened. The digest
> stopped on 2/6. It still sends when it reaches the size limit, or I
> can send it manually, but no daily digest.
>  
> Any suggestions as to what I can do from the admin panel, or that I
> can send to the techs at my hosting service?
>  
> Thanks!
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
Crond has stopped on the server. This is actually a common problem at
hosting services and is an indication of the level of competency of
their systems administration (and attention to detail).

Jon Carnes

Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar  6 22:50:49 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Mar 2004 16:50:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PLEASE, help...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403061304260.2991@mail1.americasnet.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403061304260.2991@mail1.americasnet.com>
Message-ID: <1078609849.4422.80.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Have the client delete all his cookies (or just the cookies for the host
running Mailman.  Then restart the browser and see if the problem goes
away.

This was an old problem that was supposedly fixed in 2.1.4 - so it does
seem that you might not be running the latest Mailman.

Of course it could be a problem with the way that the Mailman 2.1.4 was
installed on the system. did you install it from source (and were all
the python packages you listed already loaded when you did the install -
in other words you didn't upgrade or install any of the python packages
after the Mailman install)?

HtH - Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 16:11, ricardo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've sent this message a couple of times, and have replied to it, but I 
> can't get to the bottom of the issue.
> 
> The only reply I've gotten is one saying that I probably am not using the 
> latest version of MM, but that is not the case. I am using MM 2.1.4, I 
> have a client using MM which cannot access the private list archive. 
> Attempting to login to the archive results in an error. Here's the error:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in
> run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py", line
> 120, in main
>     password, username):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
> 226, in WebAuthenticate
>     print self.MakeCookie(ac, user)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
> 233, in MakeCookie
>     raise ValueError
> ValueError
> 
> Information for my setup:
> 
> My set of python RPMs (in a SUSE system) are:
> 
> python-mysql-0.9.2-52
> python-devel-2.3-49
> mod_python-2.7.8-427
> python-2.3-49
> python-curses-2.3-49
> python-tk-2.3-49
> 
> The python files reported in the traceback:
> 
> # ls -l /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver
> -rw-r--r--    1 root     mailman      9162 Jan  8 16:44 
> /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver
> 
> # ls -l /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py
> -rw-r--r--    1 root     mailman      5500 Jan  8 16:44 
> /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py
> 
>  # ls -l /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py
> -rw-r--r--    1 root     mailman     15023 Jan  8 16:44 
> /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py
> 
> I have not altered any of these files. 
> 
> Can someone please help me out? My client is complaining and I can't seem 
> to get this problem resolved.
> 
> Ricardo
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar  6 23:08:06 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Mar 2004 17:08:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can we get rid of these nuisance bounces for posters
Message-ID: <1078610885.4422.98.camel@localhost.localdomain>

One to two folks are bogusly attempting to feed the list traffic
(mailman-users at python.org) into their own local site lists. These
generate multiple bounces for every post to the list.

As a result, I get a ton of bounces with every post:

Bounce from ops.org...
Received: from ns3.ops.org (h2.63.170.216.ip.alltel.net [216.170.63.2])
    by ncmx02.mgw.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i26LV1RW025433
    for <jonc at nc.rr.com>; Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:31:02 -0500 (EST)
Received: from ops.org (mail.ops.org [192.168.1.31] (may be forged))
    by ns3.ops.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i26LB89D012660
    for <jonc at nc.rr.com>; Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:11:08 -0600

Bounce from darksleep.org...
Received: from darksleep.com ([66.45.34.102]) 
    by ncmx01.mgw.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i26LW7Up024578
    for <jonc at nc.rr.com>; Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:32:07 -0500 (EST)
Received: from darksleep.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
    by darksleep.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823C63C934
    for <jonc at nc.rr.com>; Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:30:39 -0500 (EST)

===

Can we verp for a bit and nuke these guys (please!)

Jon Carnes
919.779.4865





From ricardo at americasnet.com  Sat Mar  6 23:25:06 2004
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (ricardo)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:25:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PLEASE, help...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403061424330.18487@mail1.americasnet.com>

Hi Jon,

> 
> Have the client delete all his cookies (or just the
> cookies for the host running Mailman.  Then restart the
> browser and see if the problem goes away.

I tried that myself, still doesn't help.

> 
> This was an old problem that was supposedly fixed in 2.1.4
> - so it does seem that you might not be running the latest
> Mailman.

But that's strange. I installed (I think I upgraded) mailman to 2.1.4 from 
a tarball I downloaded in late December.

> 
> Of course it could be a problem with the way that the
> Mailman 2.1.4 was installed on the system. did you install
> it from source (and were all the python packages you
> listed already loaded when you did the install - in other
> words you didn't upgrade or install any of the python
> packages after the Mailman install)?

I don't quite remember. Do you know where the bug was fixed, which module? 
Is it possible to simply replace a particular module? I didn't want to 
have to try and re-install mailman, I have a lot of lists running and 
didn't want to risk messing with anything.

Is it possible to tell me which module(s) were affected in fixing this bug 
so maybe I can take a look? Is there a patch for it?

thanks
Ricardo



From dajoy at openworldlearning.org  Sat Mar  6 23:58:34 2004
From: dajoy at openworldlearning.org (Daniel Ajoy)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 17:58:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Fwd) htmls back to txt.gz
In-Reply-To: <1078607655.4422.56.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4049AFDE.27629.8C58AD@localhost>
Message-ID: <404A114A.31477.39B0AA@localhost>

Hi Jon,

Yes exactly. Hasn't the process been automated?

Daniel


On 6 Mar 2004 at 16:14, Jon Carnes wrote:

> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have list that does not have the txt.gz file available for a year.
> > 
> > Is there a way to create it?
> > 
> > Is there a way to convert the already generated html pages into a txt.gz
> > file that is missing?
> > 
> > Daniel
> > 
> Daniel, I've parsed html archives and generated an mbox file from those
> before. It's a very time-consuming task.
> 
> Is that perchance what you are talking about?
> 




From osdi at telcel.net.ve  Sun Mar  7 00:25:47 2004
From: osdi at telcel.net.ve (Oswaldo Diazz)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:25:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsuscribe
Message-ID: <404a5dfb.6e16.0@telcel.net.ve>

			
>On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 10:20, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
>> I'm having troubles with the name used by mailman for sending mails: it 

>> keeps using the real hostname, whereas it is configured for using an alias.

>> 
>> I have this setting in mm_cfg.py:
>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST  = 'lists.zarb.org'
>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST    = 'lists.zarb.org'
>> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>> 
>> All list configuration says also host_name is lists.zarb.org, all URLs 
>> are OK, but it keep sending mails as @katu3.zarb.org, instead of 
>> @lists.zarb.org. What is wrong there ?
>
>This is also in the FAQ, you may have created the list before completing
>your setup... in fact, you may have completed your setup as a result of
>troubleshooting the first couple of lists that you created.
>
>Once a list is created it is standalone and incorporates  most of the
>current defaults as individual values within the list's configuration
>files. Unfortunately Barry has hidden this particular attribute and no
>longer displays it in the WebAdmin. You will have to manually modify
>those defaults by using the commandline Mailman tool "withlist".
>
>You will find examples for howto use Withlist inside the application,
>you will also find examples in the FAQ.
>
>Barry: could we make this a *Displayed* value for a list - even if you
>do not want to make it a editable value in the 2.1.x series. Perhaps we
>could make the Web-admin list creation have two boxes to define a lists
>address:
> - a box for the list_name
> - a drop down box that makes folks choose their "virtual domain". Or if
>only one domain is available, then just show the current domain it will
>use.
>
>Jon Carnes
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

>
>
			



From AriMR at bear.com  Sun Mar  7 02:42:17 2004
From: AriMR at bear.com (Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange))
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:42:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with the mail hostname
Message-ID: <CEFAA4BE7E8E9B49A07B62C14203A1A904973032@whexchmb01.bsna.bsroot.bear.com>

> From: Guillaume Rousse Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:20 AM

> I'm having troubles with the name used by mailman for sending 
> mails: it 
> keeps using the real hostname, whereas it is configured for 
> using an alias.

> All list configuration says also host_name is lists.zarb.org, 
> all URLs 
> are OK, but it keep sending mails as @katu3.zarb.org, instead of 
> @lists.zarb.org. What is wrong there ?
> 
What is wrong is that you have defined lists.zarb.org as a CNAME 
pointing to katu3.zarb.org.  RFC 821, the original definition of 
SMTP said that ALL Email should come from the canonical name of 
the server, so older versions of sendmail and postfix, and possibly 
other MTA's automatically change the From address to show the actual
hostname of the sender rather than the CNAME alias which you want.

The only way to be sure that this will work is to remove the CNAME 
record for lists.zarb.org and put in an A record in DNS.

Hope this helps,
Ari


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From orion at deathcon.com  Sun Mar  7 11:16:23 2004
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 02:16:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with newlist
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403070214040.1455@mail.pirk.com>

After a supposedly clean install of the latest mailman,
I get this error when adding a list (even the initial
mailman list):

mailman at orion:~$ bin/newlist mailman
Enter the email of the person running the list: someone at deathcon.com
Initial mailman password:
To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or
equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the
`newaliases' program:

## mailman mailing list
mailman:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
<snip>

Hit enter to notify mailman owner...

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/newlist", line 219, in ?
    main()
  File "bin/newlist", line 212, in main
    msg.send(mlist)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 233, in send
    self._enqueue(mlist, **_kws)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 244, in _enqueue
    reduced_list_headers = 1,
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 133, in
enqueue
    os.fsync(msgfp.fileno())
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'fsync'

and I never recieve confirmation, and the lists does not work:
Mar  7 01:52:45 mail sm-mta[7671]: i279qjAg007669:
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman",
ctladdr=<mailman at mail.pirk.com>
(2/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30685, dsn=5.0.0,
stat=Service unavailable
Mar  7 01:52:45 mail sm-mta[7671]: i279qjAg007669: i279qjAg007671: DSN:
Service unavailable

Any ideas?
-- Steve



From jamie at silverdream.org  Sun Mar  7 12:56:37 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 11:56:37 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing with email interface without
	confirmation
In-Reply-To: <1076949149.29814.121.camel@petrus.agro.uba.ar>
References: <1076949149.29814.121.camel@petrus.agro.uba.ar>
Message-ID: <1078660597.24504.21.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 16:32, Mariano Wahlmann wrote:
> How can i subscribe users without email confirmation (like mass
> subscription in the web interface)? (i'm list manager).

Funnily enough there's a 'Mass Subscribe' page in mailman's
administrative interface, where you'll find you're given the option to
send invite/subscribe, and whether to send welcome messages.

-j

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From list at hellforge.org  Sun Mar  7 13:02:10 2004
From: list at hellforge.org (list at hellforge.org)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:02:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error/success log
Message-ID: <E1Azwux-0007a7-PR@mail.python.org>

Greets,
Is there anybody in mailman a error/success log or something else, where i
can see, which mails where send correct and which not?
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From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Sun Mar  7 14:05:53 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:05:53 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error/success log
In-Reply-To: <E1Azwux-0007a7-PR@mail.python.org>
References: <E1Azwux-0007a7-PR@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <2A1029FC-7038-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>


On 7 Mar 2004, at 12:02, <list at hellforge.org> wrote:

> Greets,
> Is there anybody in mailman a error/success log or something else, 
> where i can see, which mails where send correct and which not?
>

Mailman logs to various log files in $installation-prefix/logs/ the 
post, smtp and error logs are most likely to be of interset to you




From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Sun Mar  7 14:14:20 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:14:20 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with newlist
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403070214040.1455@mail.pirk.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403070214040.1455@mail.pirk.com>
Message-ID: <5858F45C-7039-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>

On 7 Mar 2004, at 10:16, Steve Pirk wrote:

> After a supposedly clean install of the latest mailman,
> I get this error when adding a list (even the initial
> mailman list):
>
> mailman at orion:~$ bin/newlist mailman
> Enter the email of the person running the list: someone at deathcon.com
> Initial mailman password:
> To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases 
> (or
> equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running 
> the
> `newaliases' program:
>
> ## mailman mailing list
> mailman:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
> <snip>
>
> Hit enter to notify mailman owner...
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "bin/newlist", line 219, in ?
>     main()
>   File "bin/newlist", line 212, in main
>     msg.send(mlist)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 233, in send
>     self._enqueue(mlist, **_kws)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 244, in _enqueue
>     reduced_list_headers = 1,
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 133, in
> enqueue
>     os.fsync(msgfp.fileno())
> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'fsync'
>

This looks as though something is wrong with your python installation 
as you are being told that the function fsync in the standard os module 
cannot be found.

What OS are you running and which version of OS, Python and Mailman? 
Have you ckecked compatibility in the MM installation and upgrading 
files.

> and I never recieve confirmation, and the lists does not work:
> Mar  7 01:52:45 mail sm-mta[7671]: i279qjAg007669:
> to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman",
> ctladdr=<mailman at mail.pirk.com>
> (2/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30685, 
> dsn=5.0.0,
> stat=Service unavailable
> Mar  7 01:52:45 mail sm-mta[7671]: i279qjAg007669: i279qjAg007671: DSN:
> Service unavailable
>
> Any ideas?
> -- Steve




From chardlist at chard.net  Sun Mar  7 16:01:01 2004
From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:01:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with the mail hostname
In-Reply-To: <1078607435.4422.53.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200403071504.i27F4E0U070632@server5.chard.net>

I also had this problem and in trying a bunch of solutions, including double
checking my entries, and recreating the list.  But I also created a MX
record for the sub domain of lower priority than the primary domain and an
entry for the sub-domain in my /etc/hosts file.  Then, a few hours later,
like magic, everything started working.

Is an MX record for the sub-domain mailmain wants to use also required or
was this just a fluke?

-Brendan

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jon Carnes
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 4:11 PM
To: Guillaume Rousse
Cc: mailman-users at python.org; Barry Warsaw
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with the mail hostname

On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 10:20, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
> I'm having troubles with the name used by mailman for sending mails: it 
> keeps using the real hostname, whereas it is configured for using an
alias.
> 
> I have this setting in mm_cfg.py:
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST  = 'lists.zarb.org'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST    = 'lists.zarb.org'
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> 
> All list configuration says also host_name is lists.zarb.org, all URLs 
> are OK, but it keep sending mails as @katu3.zarb.org, instead of 
> @lists.zarb.org. What is wrong there ?

This is also in the FAQ, you may have created the list before completing
your setup... in fact, you may have completed your setup as a result of
troubleshooting the first couple of lists that you created.

Once a list is created it is standalone and incorporates  most of the
current defaults as individual values within the list's configuration
files. Unfortunately Barry has hidden this particular attribute and no
longer displays it in the WebAdmin. You will have to manually modify
those defaults by using the commandline Mailman tool "withlist".

You will find examples for howto use Withlist inside the application,
you will also find examples in the FAQ.

Barry: could we make this a *Displayed* value for a list - even if you
do not want to make it a editable value in the 2.1.x series. Perhaps we
could make the Web-admin list creation have two boxes to define a lists
address:
 - a box for the list_name
 - a drop down box that makes folks choose their "virtual domain". Or if
only one domain is available, then just show the current domain it will
use.

Jon Carnes


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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Mar  6 20:00:17 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:00:17 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with the mail hostname
In-Reply-To: <4049EC38.4070000@ccr.jussieu.fr>
References: <4049EC38.4070000@ccr.jussieu.fr>
Message-ID: <81FF75E6-6FA0-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 6 Mar 2004, at 15:20, Guillaume Rousse wrote:

> I'm having troubles with the name used by mailman for sending mails: 
> it keeps using the real hostname, whereas it is configured for using 
> an alias.
>
> I have this setting in mm_cfg.py:
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST  = 'lists.zarb.org'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST    = 'lists.zarb.org'
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
> All list configuration says also host_name is lists.zarb.org, all URLs 
> are OK, but it keep sending mails as @katu3.zarb.org, instead of 
> @lists.zarb.org. What is wrong there ?

The following FAQ entry may explain some other things you need to do:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

> -- 
> As soon as a still-to-be-finished computer task becomes a 
> life-or-death situation, the power fails.
> 		-- Wood's Axiom
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From josh at zoominternet.net  Sun Mar  7 07:59:47 2004
From: josh at zoominternet.net (Josh)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 01:59:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <003c01c40411$c77d4f90$0101a8c0@vaio>

Hi,

I am not sure what setting to change to fix this issue. Our e-mail
attachments are not going through when I e-mail the list.

Thanks,
Josh




From chardlist at chard.net  Sun Mar  7 16:15:18 2004
From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:15:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error: user unknown
In-Reply-To: <1078606741.4422.41.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200403071518.i27FIX0U072992@server5.chard.net>

This happened to me and the problem was that, in my virtual hosting
environment, I had a catch-all virtmap setup for the domain I wanted to use
that went to a non-existent user.  I placed that virtmap on my server
because I wanted mail that wasn't addressed properly to be returned to the
sender.

When an e-mail goes into a server with virtual hosts, the virtmaps
(virtusertable) file is read first, then the aliases.  So make sure you
don't have a catchall set up that returns mail or stops it from getting to
your alias entries.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jon Carnes
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 3:59 PM
To: ??
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] error: user unknown

On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 03:23, ?? wrote:
> Hi,
> My description maybe not very clear.
> The problem I met is that I can not post message to my mail list.
> I sent a mail to my list via the email server B, then I got a error
message,
> "there was not such a user" from B.
> At the same time, Mailman can send me message, such as "welcome join this
> mail list", "you created a mail list successfully" etc.
> I installed Sendmail 8.12.10 and Mailman 2.1.4 on the same machine.
> So the problem is the Mailman can send mails but it can't receive mail.
> 
Check out FAQ 3.14. This sounds like a classic case of the aliases not
being added.

Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


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From orion at deathcon.com  Sun Mar  7 18:01:21 2004
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:01:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with newlist
In-Reply-To: <5858F45C-7039-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403070214040.1455@mail.pirk.com>
	<5858F45C-7039-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403070858240.8246@mail.pirk.com>

I am using Slackware 9.1 (fresh install) Here is the
version on python:
Python 2.3.1 (#1, Sep 24 2003, 16:45:45)

Maybe I will do a fresh install of the latest version.
Could be that the included one is fubar'd. It is the
latest stable version of MM. I used to run an older
version, but it was lost in the disk crash. :-)
--
Steve

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Richard Barrett wrote:

> On 7 Mar 2004, at 10:16, Steve Pirk wrote:
>
> > After a supposedly clean install of the latest mailman,
> > I get this error when adding a list (even the initial
> > mailman list):
> >
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "bin/newlist", line 219, in ?
> >     main()
> >   File "bin/newlist", line 212, in main
> >     msg.send(mlist)
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 233, in send
> >     self._enqueue(mlist, **_kws)
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 244, in _enqueue
> >     reduced_list_headers = 1,
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 133, in
> > enqueue
> >     os.fsync(msgfp.fileno())
> > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'fsync'
> >
>
> This looks as though something is wrong with your python installation
> as you are being told that the function fsync in the standard os module
> cannot be found.
>
> What OS are you running and which version of OS, Python and Mailman?
> Have you ckecked compatibility in the MM installation and upgrading
> files.
>
> > and I never recieve confirmation, and the lists does not work:
> > Mar  7 01:52:45 mail sm-mta[7671]: i279qjAg007669:
> > to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman",
> > ctladdr=<mailman at mail.pirk.com>
> > (2/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30685,
> > dsn=5.0.0,
> > stat=Service unavailable
> > Mar  7 01:52:45 mail sm-mta[7671]: i279qjAg007669: i279qjAg007671: DSN:
> > Service unavailable
> >
> > Any ideas?
> > -- Steve
>



From orion at deathcon.com  Sun Mar  7 18:39:11 2004
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:39:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with newlist
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403070858240.8246@mail.pirk.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403070214040.1455@mail.pirk.com>
	<5858F45C-7039-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0403070858240.8246@mail.pirk.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403070938140.8419@mail.pirk.com>

Nope... Upgraded python from the 2.3.3 source, and
I still get this when I add a list... bummer.

Hit enter to notify mailman owner...

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/newlist", line 219, in ?
    main()
  File "bin/newlist", line 212, in main
    msg.send(mlist)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 233, in send
    self._enqueue(mlist, **_kws)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 244, in _enqueue
    reduced_list_headers = 1,
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 133, in
enqueue
    os.fsync(msgfp.fileno())
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'fsync'


--
Steve

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Steve Pirk wrote:

> I am using Slackware 9.1 (fresh install) Here is the
> version on python:
> Python 2.3.1 (#1, Sep 24 2003, 16:45:45)
>
> Maybe I will do a fresh install of the latest version.
> Could be that the included one is fubar'd. It is the
> latest stable version of MM. I used to run an older
> version, but it was lost in the disk crash. :-)
> --
> Steve
>
> On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Richard Barrett wrote:
>
> > On 7 Mar 2004, at 10:16, Steve Pirk wrote:
> >
> > > After a supposedly clean install of the latest mailman,
> > > I get this error when adding a list (even the initial
> > > mailman list):
> > >
> > > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > >   File "bin/newlist", line 219, in ?
> > >     main()
> > >   File "bin/newlist", line 212, in main
> > >     msg.send(mlist)
> > >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 233, in send
> > >     self._enqueue(mlist, **_kws)
> > >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 244, in _enqueue
> > >     reduced_list_headers = 1,
> > >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 133, in
> > > enqueue
> > >     os.fsync(msgfp.fileno())
> > > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'fsync'
> > >
> >
> > This looks as though something is wrong with your python installation
> > as you are being told that the function fsync in the standard os module
> > cannot be found.
> >
> > What OS are you running and which version of OS, Python and Mailman?
> > Have you ckecked compatibility in the MM installation and upgrading
> > files.
> >



From jamie at silverdream.org  Sun Mar  7 20:37:37 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:37:37 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] inserting fields into a message
In-Reply-To: <s030f6aa.094@macqnw2.racp.edu.au>
References: <s030f6aa.094@macqnw2.racp.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1078688257.24504.177.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 05:58, E Publisher wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> I've installed mailman to use as a mailing list (as opposed a
> discussion list) and I want to do something similar to what can be done
> in, say, Outlook when sending bulk emails and merging in data fields.
> 
> Specifically, I want mailman to automatically insert the subscriber's
> email address into the body or footer of my message. Is it possible to
> insert a field in this way?

You need to enable full personalisation for your mailing list, you'll
find it in the web admin interface.

Next time, take a quick look at the archives, there have been plenty of
threads on this exact subject.

-j

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Mar  7 23:17:45 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 07 Mar 2004 17:17:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with newlist
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403070938140.8419@mail.pirk.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403070214040.1455@mail.pirk.com>
	<5858F45C-7039-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0403070858240.8246@mail.pirk.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0403070938140.8419@mail.pirk.com>
Message-ID: <1078697865.13842.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>

At the command line type launch the Python interpretor:
 python

   # in the python interpretor:
   import os
   dir(os)

Look in this lengthy list for fsync.

Tell us what version of Python you are using, and you might want to
cut/past the output of the "dir(os)" command.

On my systems, "help(os.fsync)" returns:
  Help on built-in function fsync:
 
  fsync(...)
      fsync(fildes) -> None
      force write of file with filedescriptor to disk.
  (END)

Note: you have to "import os" before you can look at its built-in
functions

This is looking like a problem with the Python install.

Jon Carnes

On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 12:39, Steve Pirk wrote:
> Nope... Upgraded python from the 2.3.3 source, and
> I still get this when I add a list... bummer.
> 
> Hit enter to notify mailman owner...
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "bin/newlist", line 219, in ?
>     main()
>   File "bin/newlist", line 212, in main
>     msg.send(mlist)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 233, in send
>     self._enqueue(mlist, **_kws)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 244, in _enqueue
>     reduced_list_headers = 1,
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 133, in
> enqueue
>     os.fsync(msgfp.fileno())
> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'fsync'
> 
> 
> --
> Steve
> 
> On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Steve Pirk wrote:
> 
> > I am using Slackware 9.1 (fresh install) Here is the
> > version on python:
> > Python 2.3.1 (#1, Sep 24 2003, 16:45:45)
> >
> > Maybe I will do a fresh install of the latest version.
> > Could be that the included one is fubar'd. It is the
> > latest stable version of MM. I used to run an older
> > version, but it was lost in the disk crash. :-)
> > --
> > Steve
> >
> > On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Richard Barrett wrote:
> >
> > > On 7 Mar 2004, at 10:16, Steve Pirk wrote:
> > >
> > > > After a supposedly clean install of the latest mailman,
> > > > I get this error when adding a list (even the initial
> > > > mailman list):
> > > >
> > > > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > > >   File "bin/newlist", line 219, in ?
> > > >     main()
> > > >   File "bin/newlist", line 212, in main
> > > >     msg.send(mlist)
> > > >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 233, in send
> > > >     self._enqueue(mlist, **_kws)
> > > >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 244, in _enqueue
> > > >     reduced_list_headers = 1,
> > > >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 133, in
> > > > enqueue
> > > >     os.fsync(msgfp.fileno())
> > > > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'fsync'
> > > >
> > >
> > > This looks as though something is wrong with your python installation
> > > as you are being told that the function fsync in the standard os module
> > > cannot be found.
> > >
> > > What OS are you running and which version of OS, Python and Mailman?
> > > Have you ckecked compatibility in the MM installation and upgrading
> > > files.
> > >
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From dajoy at openworldlearning.org  Mon Mar  8 00:27:42 2004
From: dajoy at openworldlearning.org (Daniel Ajoy)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 18:27:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: htmls back to txt.gz
In-Reply-To: <1078624083.4422.167.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <404A114A.31477.39B0AA@localhost>
Message-ID: <404B699E.5207.2BAC2A@localhost>

Has someone parsed html archives and generated an mbox file?

Daniel



On 6 Mar 2004 at 20:48, Jon Carnes wrote:

> I would hope that somebody has done this.  I laid the ground work for it
> a long time back with my published exploits with one client. 
> Unfortunately I no longer have the notes on that job. I do remember it
> being fun but very time-consuming.
> 
> Good luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 17:58, Daniel Ajoy wrote:
> > Hi Jon,
> > 
> > Yes exactly. Hasn't the process been automated?
> > 
> > Daniel
> > 
> > 
> > On 6 Mar 2004 at 16:14, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > I have list that does not have the txt.gz file available for a year.
> > > > 
> > > > Is there a way to create it?
> > > > 
> > > > Is there a way to convert the already generated html pages into a txt.gz
> > > > file that is missing?
> > > > 
> > > > Daniel
> > > > 
> > > Daniel, I've parsed html archives and generated an mbox file from those
> > > before. It's a very time-consuming task.
> > > 
> > > Is that perchance what you are talking about?
> > > 




From david at thekramers.net  Mon Mar  8 00:59:44 2004
From: david at thekramers.net (David Kramer)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 18:59:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What generates the index.html?
Message-ID: <200403071859.44422.david@thekramers.net>

I run about eight mailman lists on my server. I noticed that the archive files 
are being created, but the index.html file that links to the monthly archives 
is not being generated, so there were only links to older months.  What 
process is supposed to generate these?  There must be some cron entry or 
other that I'm missing. /etc/cron.d/mailman has:
0 8 * * * mailman /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs
0 9 * * * mailman /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
0 12 * * * mailman /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests
0 5 1 * * mailman /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * mailman /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/
mailman/cron/gate_news
27 3 * * * mailman /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
57 3 * * * mailman /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives

When I try to run nightly_archives by hand, it says "No archives to process.".  
I noticed that the script attempts to open mm_cfg.EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE, but 
no such file exists on my system.  Is mailman supposed to create/update that 
file whenever a list gets a post?

Background:  Suse 9.0 Professional, mailman-2.1.2-44.

First post to the list; sorry if this has been covered.

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DKK D  "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do,
DK KD  you'd better not start writing it."
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From david at thekramers.net  Mon Mar  8 01:16:19 2004
From: david at thekramers.net (David Kramer)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:16:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from mailman-2.1.2-44 to mailman-2.1.4-1
Message-ID: <200403071916.19595.david@thekramers.net>

So I'm having some minor problems with mailman, and my server's too stable 
these days, so I thought I would upgrade some of my software to make my life 
more interesting ;)  This is on SuSE 9.0 Professional.

I found an RPM on rpm.pbone.net for mailman-2.1.4-1.  I did an rpm -ql to list 
the files in it and noticed that mailman-2.1.4-1 has all of the sharp 
whirring bits under /var/mailman, while 2.1.2 has the program-related files 
under /usr/lib/mailman, and the list/data files under /var/lib/mailman.  This 
may be because the new one is designed for Fedora, but I could not find one 
for SuSE 9.0 later than 2.12.

- If I do an rpm -Uvh to upgrade, will it move all the data to the new 
location and remove the sharp whirring bits from /usr/lib/mailman and /var/
lib/mailman?

- Can I copy the list data to someplace safe, remove mailman, install the new 
mailman, and drop my data files into the new location and just have 
everything work?  Is there some "list of lists" that would need to get 
tweaked so the sharp whirring bits know where to whir?

Disclaimer- I know my second question is _close_ to something in the FAQ, but 
not quite the same.

Thanks in advance.

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DKK D  
DK KD  Pretense and adversity are inversely proportional;
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From ccrayne at crayne.org  Mon Mar  8 03:22:18 2004
From: ccrayne at crayne.org (Charles A. Crayne)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 18:22:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from mailman-2.1.2-44 to mailman-2.1.4-1
In-Reply-To: <200403071916.19595.david@thekramers.net>
References: <200403071916.19595.david@thekramers.net>
Message-ID: <20040307182218.494cecf6@heimdall.crayne.org>

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:16:19 -0500
David Kramer <david at thekramers.net> wrote:

:So I'm having some minor problems with mailman, and my server's too stable
:these days, so I thought I would upgrade some of my software to make my
:life more interesting ;)  This is on SuSE 9.0 Professional.

I just did the same thing, except that I was at 2.0.13 on RedHat 8.

:- If I do an rpm -Uvh to upgrade, will it move all the data to the new 
:location and remove the sharp whirring bits from /usr/lib/mailman and
:/var/lib/mailman?

I built it from the source rpm, before doing the rpm -U, and everything
ended up in /var/mailman.





From jparsons-mailman at saffron.net  Mon Mar  8 03:53:04 2004
From: jparsons-mailman at saffron.net (Jason Parsons)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:53:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtualhost and "list creator" password?
Message-ID: <B8C3F66F-70AB-11D8-8C3A-000393D56A8A@saffron.net>


I'm using the add_virtualhost directive to create multiple mailman 
virtual hosts.  I've been unable to find the answer to one issue, 
though:

Is it possible to give assign an owner/password for each virtual host, 
allowing that owner to create/delete lists on that virtual host without 
having rights to any other virtual host?  The only thing I find is 
mmsitepass, which seems to apply globally.

Any pointers appreciated.

Thank you.
  - Jason Parsons




From jparsons-mailman at saffron.net  Mon Mar  8 03:54:12 2004
From: jparsons-mailman at saffron.net (Jason Parsons)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:54:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail VERP
In-Reply-To: <24CC0B86-70AB-11D8-8C3A-000393D56A8A@saffron.net>
References: <24CC0B86-70AB-11D8-8C3A-000393D56A8A@saffron.net>
Message-ID: <E1417BFE-70AB-11D8-8C3A-000393D56A8A@saffron.net>


I have installed the Qmail Handler from  
<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/? 
func=detail&atid=300103&aid=645513&group_id=103>.  I installed the  
handler by copying it to $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Qmail.py.  I have the  
following in my mm_cfg.py:

DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Qmail'
QMAIL_CMD = '/var/qmail-lists/bin/qmail-inject'
DO_QMAIL_VERP = 1
QMAIL_LOG_SUCCESS = 1
QMAIL_LOG_FAILURE = 1
QMAIL_LOG_EVERY_MESSAGE = 1

.. however, outgoing messages are not VERPed.  Any ideas what I might  
be missing?

I am very familiar with qmail, not as familiar with mailman, and I have  
read the archives, for what it's worth.  ;)

Thank you.
  - Jason Parsons




From david at gof.se  Mon Mar  8 16:31:06 2004
From: david at gof.se (David)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:31:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message discarded...why?
Message-ID: <BC72504A.F5B8%david@gof.se>

Hello gurus,

I have searched the archives and I didn't find an answer for a strange
behavior at one of my Mailman lists.

A member is subscribed to the digest version of my list. She gets all the
mail to the list, but can't post.

I can see in my logs that the message is delivered from Postfix to Mailman.
She is also able to post a private message to me from her address

Her messeges to the list are discarded. This is the latest entry in my vette
log:
Mar 08 14:15:46 2004 (837) Message discarded, msgid:
<20040308131542.18A8F2AB26 at ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

The server is running Mailman 2.1.4 on a RedHat 7.3 box.
The user is using a http://www.mail.com/ address. It's a pretty bad service,
but I can't understand why Mailman discards her e-mails.

There is no bounce messege back to her from my server. I'm stuck.
Any clues?

 Blue Skies,
 /David





From pastor at SavingGraceLC.org  Mon Mar  8 16:33:18 2004
From: pastor at SavingGraceLC.org (Pastor Augie)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:33:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing ISP servers
Message-ID: <NEBBLEEOALBMGBAHHBCPAELNHGAA.pastor@SavingGraceLC.org>

Hello,

I have several mailman lists setup.  Because of technical difficulties with
our ISP's physical server, I am being required to migrate our entire
website, including lists, to a new server (new IP and new name).  My ISP
contact tells me that when the mailman lists are moved to the new server
they will need to be RECREATED FROM SCRATCH!!

Is that the case?  What is the most desirable way to migrate to a new
server?  Is there a simple export feature or some flat (or db) file I can
export or something like that so I don't have to recreate the list by hand??

Thanks in advance for your help.

Augie.
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From jamie at silverdream.org  Mon Mar  8 17:33:56 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:33:56 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtualhost and "list creator" password?
In-Reply-To: <B8C3F66F-70AB-11D8-8C3A-000393D56A8A@saffron.net>
References: <B8C3F66F-70AB-11D8-8C3A-000393D56A8A@saffron.net>
Message-ID: <1078763635.19104.81.camel@localhost>

Hey Jason,

On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 02:53, Jason Parsons wrote:
> I'm using the add_virtualhost directive to create multiple mailman 
> virtual hosts.  I've been unable to find the answer to one issue, 
> though:
> 
> Is it possible to give assign an owner/password for each virtual host, 
> allowing that owner to create/delete lists on that virtual host without 
> having rights to any other virtual host?  The only thing I find is 
> mmsitepass, which seems to apply globally.
> 
> Any pointers appreciated.

I asked this question awhile ago, the short answer is that it's not
possible...yet. According to Barry Mailman's handling of virtual hosting
is going to be 'revamped' for MM3, which should solve the problem.

Take a look at these threads:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mailman.devel/15655
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mailman.user/46839

HTH

-j

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From Jason.Price at thomson.com  Mon Mar  8 20:11:30 2004
From: Jason.Price at thomson.com (Price, Jason)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:11:30 -0600 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Several questions
Message-ID: <BA5552BC92B87843A43C4D3E0F6BF79403790362@eg-msgmbx-a11.int.westgroup.com>

I am in the process of installing mailman at my company, and have a few
questions that I've been unable to figure out.  Hopefully, you all can help
me out here...

1.  How can I display a "friendly name" in the "from" field?  Currently, I
have it displaying the mailing list address, but I'd much prefer it to
display text of my choosing, and eliminate the "on behalf of" information.
Is this possible?

2.  I'd like to display the same "friendly name" in the "to" field of
mailing list messages.

3.  What the easiest way to control the bounced messages destination?  Is it
possible to provide an explicit destination for bounced messages, or does
this have to be done via the aliases file?

Thanks.

Jason



From gmills at library.berkeley.edu  Mon Mar  8 20:12:18 2004
From: gmills at library.berkeley.edu (Garey Mills)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:12:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request for spam block list in Mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10403081105120.423764-100000@library.berkeley.edu>

Hi -

	I'm using 2.1b2 and I have a problem with the list of spam
addresses. If an address is entered into the 'List of Non-members whose
postings will be automatically discarded', and that address contains
korean characters or other wierdnesses, the list ceases to function and
everything gets through.

	If I go to the web interface and enter a bad address into the
list, I am informed immediately that there is a problem. But if the
address is entered from the moderation interface (by checking the 'Add
this address to a list of people whose email you discard') it just goes
into the list.

	This wouldn't be a problem, except that I manage a number of lists
that are moderated by non-technical folk.

	Has this been addressed in later versions?

Garey Mills
Library Systems Office
UC Berkeley





From rxweb+ at pitt.edu  Mon Mar  8 22:20:17 2004
From: rxweb+ at pitt.edu (Thomas Waters)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:20:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem accessing mailman web pages after switching
	server
Message-ID: <65B533AA-7146-11D8-A594-000393BB8C90@pitt.edu>

We set up Mailman  on Panther Server 10.3.3.  It had an IP and hostname 
for our dev server.  Once everything was configured, etc, I switched 
the IP and name to be our mail server.  Mailman is working in terms of 
sending out mail to the various lists, but I can not access the web 
pages to admin any of the lists!  Attempt to hit 
www.mysite.edu/mailman/admin opens the page, but says there are no 
public advertised lists.  I can get to any admin config page with  
www.mysite.edu/mailman/admin/somelist/  but clicking ANY link on the 
page, attempts to send me to the old dev URL.  Maybe this is just a 
Safari cache problem- but with IE, I get a "connection error occurred."

Maybe part of the issue, is the host name list prefers in the general 
config.  hostname of box is rxweb.pharmacy.pitt.edu.  The MX record 
reads that anyuser at pharmacy.pitt.edu is directed to 
rxweb.pharmacy.pitt.edu.   so what belongs on the mailman general 
options config- pharmacy.pitt.edu or rxweb.pharmacy.pitt.edu?

so, I guess there are 3 issues- correct listing on the general options 
page- which should it be, and why the web pages can't be accessed
, and why does it say lists are not publicly advertised.

thx,
--
Thomas Waters
Director of Information and Communication Services
University of Pittsburgh, School of Pharmacy
rxweb at pitt.edu
http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu




From ccrayne at crayne.org  Mon Mar  8 23:16:04 2004
From: ccrayne at crayne.org (Charles A. Crayne)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:16:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem accessing mailman web pages after
	switching	server
In-Reply-To: <65B533AA-7146-11D8-A594-000393BB8C90@pitt.edu>
References: <65B533AA-7146-11D8-A594-000393BB8C90@pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <20040308141604.7ade753b@heimdall.crayne.org>

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:20:17 -0500
Thomas Waters <rxweb+ at pitt.edu> wrote:

:Mailman is working in terms of 
:sending out mail to the various lists, but I can not access the web 
:pages to admin any of the lists!

This sounds like a problem which I was able to fix by running:
bin/withlist -l -r fix-url <listname>



From godfreylists at compudoc.za.org  Tue Mar  9 01:59:03 2004
From: godfreylists at compudoc.za.org (Godfrey)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 02:59:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Unknown virtual host: 
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040309025104.01b51008@office.compudoc.za.org>

Hello

I recently upgraded to mailman ver 2.1.4

When I tried to create a new list after upgrading I got this response

Error: Unknown virtual host: mailman.compudoc.co.za

The part that I don't understand is mailman.compudoc.co.za is a virtual 
domain in our exim virtual domain lists and I have sucessfully created 
lists in the past.

My trawl of the web did not yeld much except that this question has been 
asked in the past but there is no response to the question on the web.

I would appreciate any suggestions or assistance

Thank you in advance


Kind Regards

Godfrey

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From theall at tifaware.com  Tue Mar  9 02:38:02 2004
From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:38:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Unknown virtual host:
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040309025104.01b51008@office.compudoc.za.org>
References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040309025104.01b51008@office.compudoc.za.org>
Message-ID: <20040309013802.GA26715@tifaware.com>

On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 02:59:03AM +0200, Godfrey wrote:

> When I tried to create a new list after upgrading I got this response
> 
> Error: Unknown virtual host: mailman.compudoc.co.za

Have you set up the virtual host mappings within Mailman?  There's some 
discussion of this in the following FAQ entry:

    http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp


George
-- 
theall at tifaware.com
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar  9 03:35:46 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Mar 2004 21:35:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message discarded...why?
In-Reply-To: <BC72504A.F5B8%david@gof.se>
References: <BC72504A.F5B8%david@gof.se>
Message-ID: <1078799746.5463.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

You should be able to look in your MTA logs and see the message from:
20040308131542.18A8F2AB26 at ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com

And tell what address she was actually using.  Check to see if this
address is subscribed to the list and if it is set to moderate.

You can also have her cc you directly on her next list posting.  That
should let you check on her address as well as any header abnormalities
that may accompany her email posts.

Good luck - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 10:31, David wrote:
> Hello gurus,
> 
> I have searched the archives and I didn't find an answer for a strange
> behavior at one of my Mailman lists.
> 
> A member is subscribed to the digest version of my list. She gets all the
> mail to the list, but can't post.
> 
> I can see in my logs that the message is delivered from Postfix to Mailman.
> She is also able to post a private message to me from her address
> 
> Her messeges to the list are discarded. This is the latest entry in my vette
> log:
> Mar 08 14:15:46 2004 (837) Message discarded, msgid:
> <20040308131542.18A8F2AB26 at ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>
> 
> The server is running Mailman 2.1.4 on a RedHat 7.3 box.
> The user is using a http://www.mail.com/ address. It's a pretty bad service,
> but I can't understand why Mailman discards her e-mails.
> 
> There is no bounce messege back to her from my server. I'm stuck.
> Any clues?
> 
>  Blue Skies,
>  /David
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar  9 03:40:57 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Mar 2004 21:40:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing ISP servers
In-Reply-To: <NEBBLEEOALBMGBAHHBCPAELNHGAA.pastor@SavingGraceLC.org>
References: <NEBBLEEOALBMGBAHHBCPAELNHGAA.pastor@SavingGraceLC.org>
Message-ID: <1078800057.5463.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 10:33, Pastor Augie wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> I have several mailman lists setup.  Because of technical difficulties
> with our ISP's physical server, I am being required to migrate our
> entire website, including lists, to a new server (new IP and new
> name).  My ISP contact tells me that when the mailman lists are moved
> to the new server they will need to be RECREATED FROM SCRATCH!!
>  
> Is that the case?  What is the most desirable way to migrate to a new
> server?  Is there a simple export feature or some flat (or db) file I
> can export or something like that so I don't have to recreate the list
> by hand??
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>  
> Augie.
>  

Well, if they are using a straight version of Mailman then the answer is
false. It's very easy to move lists to a new server. 

It may be that they are actually using Cpanel (or will be using Cpanel).
This app does "who-knows-what" to Mailman.  Actually we know a few
things it does, thanks to the many, many complaints we receive on a
regular basis from folks stuck using Cpanel.  

Even then, the movements of the lists can be relatively painless - if
they allow you command line access to dump out your list configurations
into text files.

Good luck - Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar  9 03:51:00 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Mar 2004 21:51:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem accessing mailman web pages after
	switching server
In-Reply-To: <65B533AA-7146-11D8-A594-000393BB8C90@pitt.edu>
References: <65B533AA-7146-11D8-A594-000393BB8C90@pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <1078800660.5463.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 16:20, Thomas Waters wrote:
> We set up Mailman  on Panther Server 10.3.3.  It had an IP and hostname 
> for our dev server.  Once everything was configured, etc, I switched 
> the IP and name to be our mail server.  Mailman is working in terms of 
> sending out mail to the various lists, but I can not access the web 
> pages to admin any of the lists!  Attempt to hit 
> www.mysite.edu/mailman/admin opens the page, but says there are no 
> public advertised lists.  I can get to any admin config page with  
> www.mysite.edu/mailman/admin/somelist/  but clicking ANY link on the 
> page, attempts to send me to the old dev URL.  Maybe this is just a 
> Safari cache problem- but with IE, I get a "connection error occurred."
> 
> Maybe part of the issue, is the host name list prefers in the general 
> config.  hostname of box is rxweb.pharmacy.pitt.edu.  The MX record 
> reads that anyuser at pharmacy.pitt.edu is directed to 
> rxweb.pharmacy.pitt.edu.   so what belongs on the mailman general 
> options config- pharmacy.pitt.edu or rxweb.pharmacy.pitt.edu?
> 
> so, I guess there are 3 issues- correct listing on the general options 
> page- which should it be, and why the web pages can't be accessed
> , and why does it say lists are not publicly advertised.
> 
> thx,
> --
> Thomas Waters
> Director of Information and Communication Services
> University of Pittsburgh, School of Pharmacy
> rxweb at pitt.edu
> http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu
> 

This is an FAQ:
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

You will need to edit your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and enter the
proper url and mail hosts, and you will need to correct the existing
lists by going into their databases via the ~mailman/bin/withlist
command.

You can toggle one of the settings in mm_cfg.py (look in Defaults.py for
the exact syntax) and have it display all your lists regardless of the
base URL used.  The default is to only show the lists at the virtual
domain specified by URL used to view the web-pages.

Good hunting - Jon Carnes




From david at gof.se  Tue Mar  9 04:10:27 2004
From: david at gof.se (David)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 04:10:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message discarded...why?
In-Reply-To: <1078799746.5463.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <BC72504A.F5B8%david@gof.se>
	<1078799746.5463.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1078801824.2116.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>

tis 2004-03-09 klockan 03.35 skrev Jon Carnes:
> You should be able to look in your MTA logs and see the message from:
> 20040308131542.18A8F2AB26 at ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com
> And tell what address she was actually using.  Check to see if this
> address is subscribed to the list and if it is set to moderate.

Been there, done that. The address is subscribed just normal.

> You can also have her cc you directly on her next list posting.  That
> should let you check on her address as well as any header abnormalities
> that may accompany her email posts.

I signed up for my own mail.com account. Subscribed and sent a message
to the list. No problem at all with delivery. 

Her messages are still discarded to the list. Really strange

 Blue Skies,
 /David





From jkolbe at matrixj.com  Tue Mar  9 04:34:58 2004
From: jkolbe at matrixj.com (Joshua Kolbe)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:34:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OS X Panther Server
Message-ID: <BD98539E-717A-11D8-B7BD-000A959D1044@matrixj.com>

Hello,

I have OS X Panther Server and am having a small issue.  This morning 
my Mailing Lists were working fine.  However, this afternoon they 
stopped working.

When I open Server Admin and go to Mail, it shows that Mailing Lists 
are Disabled.  But, in the Settings:Mailing Lists tab, its Enabled.  
I've tried everything to get it to start working.  My Log shows that 
its starting up normally, but it acts like something has gotten 
corrupt.  Electricity went out earlier today and I'm worried that may 
have damaged something.  I've tried creating new lists, but they don't 
activate.  I've restarted the service, I've restarted the whole server, 
I've run Software Update, but nothing.

Anyone else having similar issues?

Thanks,
Josh Kolbe




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar  9 06:32:59 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 09 Mar 2004 00:32:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing ISP servers
In-Reply-To: <NEBBLEEOALBMGBAHHBCPAEMPHGAA.pastor@SavingGraceLC.org>
References: <NEBBLEEOALBMGBAHHBCPAEMPHGAA.pastor@SavingGraceLC.org>
Message-ID: <1078810379.6606.31.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Even Cpanel should let Mailman dump out the user lists for you.  There
is a Mailman commandline that specifically does that (list_members).

The command to dump out your configuration to text is config_list.

Your admin can dump the config out, edit the fields that change (URL and
default host names - the list name, if that changes) then simply create
a list with the same name and upload the config file using config_list
again.  It's almost a "no brainer" once you read the help that comes
with config_list.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 23:16, Pastor Augie wrote:
> Jon,
> 
> thanks for your reply.  I've passed along your message to my ISP - he's
> pretty responsive... we'll see what he says.
> 
> Unfortunately, we *do* use cPanel ... and this is NOT the first problem
> we've had... funny you should mention that!  Sometimes our messages get
> stuck in queue and don't come out for days if at all.
> 
> Anyway, I don't have command line access and am not even sure where the
> files for mailman are.  They don't appear to be in our user directory.  If
> you could tell me the name of the file to look for, I could direct the
> sysadmin to look for it.
> 
> But just double checking - there is no way to export email addresses and
> names?  Then it would be a simple matter to re-import them.
> 
> Thanks for all your help!
> 
> Augie.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 7:41 PM
> To: pastor at SavingGraceLC.org
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] changing ISP servers
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 10:33, Pastor Augie wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have several mailman lists setup.  Because of technical difficulties
> > with our ISP's physical server, I am being required to migrate our
> > entire website, including lists, to a new server (new IP and new
> > name).  My ISP contact tells me that when the mailman lists are moved
> > to the new server they will need to be RECREATED FROM SCRATCH!!
> >
> > Is that the case?  What is the most desirable way to migrate to a new
> > server?  Is there a simple export feature or some flat (or db) file I
> > can export or something like that so I don't have to recreate the list
> > by hand??
> > Thanks in advance for your help.
> >
> > Augie.
> >
> 
> Well, if they are using a straight version of Mailman then the answer is
> false. It's very easy to move lists to a new server.
> 
> It may be that they are actually using Cpanel (or will be using Cpanel).
> This app does "who-knows-what" to Mailman.  Actually we know a few
> things it does, thanks to the many, many complaints we receive on a
> regular basis from folks stuck using Cpanel.
> 
> Even then, the movements of the lists can be relatively painless - if
> they allow you command line access to dump out your list configurations
> into text files.
> 
> Good luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> 
> 




From smith at ipmvs.com  Tue Mar  9 07:02:49 2004
From: smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 00:02:49 -0600 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Which setting for Overview of all lists
Message-ID: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD230269638D@dsmexch.ipmvs.com>



Which setting or variable determines the URL for 'Overview of all xxx.com
mailing lists' on the HTML administration pages?  Is this a change I can
make in one of the configuration files?

Thanks.

-Nate



From dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk  Tue Mar  9 12:32:48 2004
From: dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk (David W Smith)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:32:48 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list removal via web interface (mm 2.1)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0403091132350.25397@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>

Hi,

With mm 2.1.4 it's possible to remove a list with a though-the-web
interface (as with list creation), though the caveat: 'with
automatic support depending on the MTA'.

I'm using Exim 4-12.3 on a Solaris 8 Sparc box, and I've tried with
'mydomain/mailman/rmlist' (just as I use 'mydomain/mailman/create'
for list creation) but I just get the message: 'Bad URL specification'.

If anyone has advice about/tips on how to use the though-the-web list
removal feature, if possible with Exim, I'd be appreciative.

Thanks

David Smith

Sys Admin

University of Oxford



From jay_honosutomo at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  9 13:09:44 2004
From: jay_honosutomo at hotmail.com (Jay Honosutomo)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 12:09:44 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hundreds of multiple e-mails/posts being sent
Message-ID: <Law10-OE44wlSe9F6EB000391b6@hotmail.com>

Hello,
Please forgive me if I am overlooking a simple fix to this, but I have searched quite exhaustively for a solution to this problem.

I have been using a mailman list for the last few months, as a one-way information mailing list. However, on more than 3 occasions I have experienced some individuals receiving the same post/mail up to 600 times! It doesn't appear to stop until I disable the list, and it doesn't happen to everyone - just a select handful of subscribers.

If anyone has any ideas at all - I'd be grateful.

Many thanks,
Jay
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From dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk  Mon Mar  8 16:31:05 2004
From: dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk (David W Smith)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:31:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list removal via web interface (mm 2.1)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0403081516240.13731@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>

Hi,

With mm 2.1.4 it's possible to remove a list with a though-the-web
interface (as with list creation), though the caveat: 'with
automatic support depending on the MTA'.

I'm using Exim 4-12.3 on a Solaris 8 Sparc box, and I've tried with
'mydomain/mailman/rmlist' (just as I use 'mydomain/mailman/create'
for list creation) but I just get the message: 'Bad URL specification'.

If anyone has advice about/tips on how to use the though-the-web list
removal feature, if possible with Exim, I'd be appreciative.

Thanks

David Smith

Sys Admin

University of Oxford



From i.bapty at student.umist.ac.uk  Mon Mar  8 19:44:46 2004
From: i.bapty at student.umist.ac.uk (Iain Bapty)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:44:46 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Import other archive
Message-ID: <404CBF1E.3090402@student.umist.ac.uk>

Hey,

I'm in the middle of making some addons to the SMART archiver and want 
to test what I have done so far. Ideally I would like to take some test 
data from an existing archive, such as mailman-users/developers, and 
import into my smart archiver. Smart can import files in mbox format.

Can someone help me out?

Cheers

Iain



From youn_dme at ACCESS-K12.org  Mon Mar  8 20:24:14 2004
From: youn_dme at ACCESS-K12.org (youn_dme at ACCESS-K12.org)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:24:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list setup documentation...where is it
Message-ID: <719063407.1078755854@[10.23.6.120]>


Hi, I am looking for more specific information regarding your mailing 
lists...
Okay I have the list set up...how do i implement the 'subscribe to info' 
into my own web pages...or where is the documentation to set this 
information up?




From Navina.Bilimoria at mdgp.com.au  Tue Mar  9 00:16:58 2004
From: Navina.Bilimoria at mdgp.com.au (Navina Bilimoria)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:16:58 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to setup a mailman mailiong list
Message-ID: <KPEELGALIDIIKMABDIHEGENECGAA.Navina.Bilimoria@mdgp.com.au>

Dear Developer,
Can you explain in plain English how to create, setup a mailing list through
the web (I have no idea on any tech stuff about the setup that's on the
web - it is confusing - what with python, GNU  etc
How or where do I go to setup our own?
WEB?
DOS? (if yes this going to be very hard!)

Can you help? PLEASE



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From Lillie.Kocher at cancer.org  Tue Mar  9 01:48:11 2004
From: Lillie.Kocher at cancer.org (Lillie.Kocher at cancer.org)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:48:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 
Message-ID: <OF263AF5B2.7CB90179-ON88256E52.000453DD@cancer.org>

I got a msg to sign off and go to aol client to find out why - - -
so that is what i'm doing.
please let me know what's up so i can get my email - thanks.

Lillkocher at aol.com





From aryross at techie.com  Tue Mar  9 10:14:17 2004
From: aryross at techie.com (sdfsd iuyiuy)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:14:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maiman Footer
Message-ID: <20040309091417.7F7B22AB2D@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

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From dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk  Tue Mar  9 14:52:16 2004
From: dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk (David W Smith)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:52:16 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1: aliases
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0403091332471.25397@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could give me tips/advice about using multiple
alias files or includes to manage the aliases for my mailing lists.

I have MM 2.1.4 running on a Solaris 8 Sparc box with NIS (and Exim), and
I have 45 mailing lists. Thus the NIS alias file has 450 new entries (10
for each mailing list) and my original idea was to use an include (such
as, 'mailman: :include:/local/etc/mm-aliases') in the alias file rather
than have it fill up with MM entries.

But I realized that as each mailing list has its own alias this wouldn't
work. I believe it is possible to have a set up with multiple alias files
but am not sure how to achieve this.

Thus if anyone has experience of managing MM aliases with multiple alias
files (or some other way) to avoid filling the alias file up with MM
entries I'd appreciate their advice.

Thanks.

David Smith

Sys Admin

University of Oxford



From kitlinsen at hbcse.tifr.res.in  Tue Mar  9 15:30:43 2004
From: kitlinsen at hbcse.tifr.res.in (KIT linsen)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:00:43 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "How i can change current directory in side the
	externalmethod"
Message-ID: <20040309142824.M82459@hbcse.tifr.res.in>

please give me the answer
"How i can change current directory in side the externalmethod"




From david at gof.se  Tue Mar  9 15:28:30 2004
From: david at gof.se (David)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 15:28:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Message discarded...why?
In-Reply-To: <E1B0Zud-0005rr-O7@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <BC73931E.F61B%david@gof.se>

Hi again,

The problem is nailed down, but not solved. Messages sent from mail.com and
hotmail.com in HTML are auto discarded. If they send their e-mails as plain
text they reach the list.

I do have content filtering turned on with the following settings:
Remove message attachments that don't match.
multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain

Convert html to plain text: YES

I guess I have to add some content types to let hotmail and mail.com through
Can someone please tell me what to add to solve this problem.

 Blue Skies,
 /David



tis 2004-03-09 klockan 03.35 skrev Jon Carnes:
>> You should be able to look in your MTA logs and see the message from:
>> 20040308131542.18A8F2AB26 at ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com
>> And tell what address she was actually using.  Check to see if this
>> address is subscribed to the list and if it is set to moderate.
>
>Been there, done that. The address is subscribed just normal.
>
>> You can also have her cc you directly on her next list posting.  That
>> should let you check on her address as well as any header abnormalities
>> that may accompany her email posts.
>
>I signed up for my own mail.com account. Subscribed and sent a message
>to the list. No problem at all with delivery.
>
>Her messages are still discarded to the list. Really strange
>
 >Blue Skies,
 >/David




From ac-pilot at netpath.net  Tue Mar  9 18:13:31 2004
From: ac-pilot at netpath.net (Roger Medlin)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 12:13:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maiman Footer
References: <20040309091417.7F7B22AB2D@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <404DFB3B.4020609@netpath.net>

Please don't send any more e-mails

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>
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>
> What I want to do is to show a shortcut to a web page, (as done in 
> outlook express by just having www. name.com <http://www.name.com> it 
> automaticly underlines it ) Can this be done in mailman?
>
> Thank you,
>
>  
>
>
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From kit at hbcse.tifr.res.in  Tue Mar  9 15:32:58 2004
From: kit at hbcse.tifr.res.in (Karunya Institute Team)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:02:58 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "How i can change current directory in side the
	externalmethod"
Message-ID: <20040309143155.M68403@hbcse.tifr.res.in>

"How i can change current directory in side the externalmethod"



From jamie at silverdream.org  Tue Mar  9 18:51:07 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:51:07 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "How i can change current directory in side
	the externalmethod"
In-Reply-To: <20040309143155.M68403@hbcse.tifr.res.in>
References: <20040309143155.M68403@hbcse.tifr.res.in>
Message-ID: <1078854667.19104.225.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 14:32, Karunya Institute Team wrote:
> "How i can change current directory in side the externalmethod"

I don't understand what you mean, please elaborate. Repeat posting is
not going to help your cause.

-j

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From i.bapty at student.umist.ac.uk  Tue Mar  9 18:56:34 2004
From: i.bapty at student.umist.ac.uk (Iain Bapty)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:56:34 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMART Archiver
Message-ID: <404E0552.6040109@student.umist.ac.uk>

Hey,

Has anybody been using the SMART archiver?

If so, do you have any comments about it?

-iain





From jamie at silverdream.org  Tue Mar  9 19:47:51 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:47:51 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maiman Footer
In-Reply-To: <20040309091417.7F7B22AB2D@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20040309091417.7F7B22AB2D@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <1078858071.19104.259.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 09:14, sdfsd iuyiuy wrote:
> Is it possible to make footers that will link to a web page?

Take look at msg_footer setting under Non-Digest options.

-j
 
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From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Mar  9 20:37:10 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:37:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recreating lists (WAS: changing ISP servers)
In-Reply-To: <E1B0Zuc-0005rD-6b@mail.python.org>
References: <E1B0Zuc-0005rD-6b@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040309132950.01f02500@127.0.0.1>

Pastor Augie wrote:
>  I have several mailman lists setup.  Because of technical difficulties
>  with our ISP's physical server, I am being required to migrate our
>  entire website, including lists, to a new server (new IP and new
>  name).  My ISP contact tells me that when the mailman lists are moved
>  to the new server they will need to be RECREATED FROM SCRATCH!!

      I recently had reason to find out how well Mailman is constructed, 
and how easy it is to restore it.  My server was hacked (old software, 
shame on me) and I managed to back up my Mailman files before the plug was 
pulled.  I decided to upgrade Mailman while I was doing it.  The old one 
was 2.1.2 - the new installation is 2.1.4.  After getting it in stalled and 
adding only the Mailman list, I copied in <prefix>mailman/lists/ and 
<prefix>/mailman/archives, restored my aliases, and all my lists worked.

      I realize that moving to a new server would be a bit more involved, 
but I was very impressed with how little I had to do to get things restored.

<>< Paul





From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Mar  9 20:59:08 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:59:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] To those looking for help
In-Reply-To: <E1B0kbH-0000p2-TP@mail.python.org>
References: <E1B0kbH-0000p2-TP@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040309134615.01e83280@127.0.0.1>

      I've been off the list for a couple of weeks due to a server crash - 
when I came back I found a LOT of messages that are to vague to be 
answered, have nothing to do with Mailman, are answered in the FAQ, or show 
a lack of needed knowledge to follow an answer.  So, as a public service here:

      This list if for Mailman and issues directly related to it.  General 
questions about Linux, sendmail, or other non Mailman issues will probably 
be ignored.

      If you do not have a basic understanding of Linux, and are 
comfortable working from the command line - forget about installing 
Mailman.  Either pay someone to install it for you, or pay for list service.

      This is a USERS list - it's peer help, not an "official" Mailman 
support system.  No one here is paid to do this, and it's done as we have 
time.  You may not get an answer in an hour, and posting a second time the 
same day reduces the odds you will get an answer.

     Did you check the FAQ (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py)?  A 
lot of common answers are there.  Did you check the various README files 
that came with MM?  Have you tried the searchable archives 
(http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/)?

      Currently we have no mind readers on this list - so you will need to 
give important details like which version of Mailman you are running, what 
the OS is, MTA and so on.  Give a clear description of the problem, and 
include error messages when applicable.


<>< Paul
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From godfreylists at compudoc.za.org  Tue Mar  9 22:48:10 2004
From: godfreylists at compudoc.za.org (Godfrey)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:48:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-member filters & regular expression match
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040309234803.01bec1b8@office.compudoc.za.org>

Hello

Not being too knowledgeable on regular expressions could some one please 
point me in the right direction.

Under non member filters

I would like *@compudoc.co.za and *@compudoc.za.org and *@hamshire.za.net 
to be in List of non-member addresses whose postings should be 
automatically accepted

The list I have is

^.+ at compudoc\.za\.org$
^.+ at compudoc\.co\.za$
^.+ at hamshire\.za\.net$

 From the various posts to the I have managed to glean via google above 
statements should work but it does not could some one please assist me with 
this.

Thank you





From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr  Tue Mar  9 23:54:30 2004
From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:54:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with the mail hostname
In-Reply-To: <81FF75E6-6FA0-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <4049EC38.4070000@ccr.jussieu.fr>
	<81FF75E6-6FA0-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <404E4B26.4010508@ccr.jussieu.fr>

Richard Barrett wrote:
> 
> On 6 Mar 2004, at 15:20, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
> 
>> I'm having troubles with the name used by mailman for sending mails: 
>> it keeps using the real hostname, whereas it is configured for using 
>> an alias.
>>
>> I have this setting in mm_cfg.py:
>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST  = 'lists.zarb.org'
>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST    = 'lists.zarb.org'
>> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>>
>> All list configuration says also host_name is lists.zarb.org, all URLs 
>> are OK, but it keep sending mails as @katu3.zarb.org, instead of 
>> @lists.zarb.org. What is wrong there ?
> 
> 
> The following FAQ entry may explain some other things you need to do:
> 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp
It just explain the sync problem between mm.cfg and lists created 
earlier, which is not my case.
-- 
No matter how large and standardized the marketplaceis, IBM can redefine 
it.
		-- Estridge's Law



From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr  Tue Mar  9 23:56:05 2004
From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:56:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: problems with the mail hostname
In-Reply-To: <1078607435.4422.53.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4049EC38.4070000@ccr.jussieu.fr>
	<1078607435.4422.53.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <404E4B85.2080300@ccr.jussieu.fr>

Jon Carnes wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 10:20, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
> 
>>I'm having troubles with the name used by mailman for sending mails: it 
>>keeps using the real hostname, whereas it is configured for using an alias.
>>
>>I have this setting in mm_cfg.py:
>>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST  = 'lists.zarb.org'
>>DEFAULT_URL_HOST    = 'lists.zarb.org'
>>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>>
>>All list configuration says also host_name is lists.zarb.org, all URLs 
>>are OK, but it keep sending mails as @katu3.zarb.org, instead of 
>>@lists.zarb.org. What is wrong there ?
> 
> 
> This is also in the FAQ, you may have created the list before completing
> your setup... in fact, you may have completed your setup as a result of
> troubleshooting the first couple of lists that you created.
No, I forgot to say so, but I tested on newly created list, and I took 
care all other list were OK too.

-- 
That's not a "bug", thats a feature !
		-- Thoreau's Theories of Adaption n?4



From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr  Tue Mar  9 23:56:53 2004
From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:56:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with the mail hostname
In-Reply-To: <200403071504.i27F4E0U070632@server5.chard.net>
References: <200403071504.i27F4E0U070632@server5.chard.net>
Message-ID: <404E4BB5.80805@ccr.jussieu.fr>

Brendan Chard wrote:
> I also had this problem and in trying a bunch of solutions, including double
> checking my entries, and recreating the list.  But I also created a MX
> record for the sub domain of lower priority than the primary domain and an
> entry for the sub-domain in my /etc/hosts file.  Then, a few hours later,
> like magic, everything started working.
I tried MX + A record (which should do the same as an /etc/hosts entry) 
with no result.
-- 
Program results should always be reproducible
		-- Educational Considerations n?5



From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr  Tue Mar  9 23:57:43 2004
From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:57:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with the mail hostname
In-Reply-To: <CEFAA4BE7E8E9B49A07B62C14203A1A904973032@whexchmb01.bsna.bsroot.bear.com>
References: <CEFAA4BE7E8E9B49A07B62C14203A1A904973032@whexchmb01.bsna.bsroot.bear.com>
Message-ID: <404E4BE7.50505@ccr.jussieu.fr>

Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange) wrote:
>>From: Guillaume Rousse Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:20 AM
> 
> 
>>I'm having troubles with the name used by mailman for sending 
>>mails: it 
>>keeps using the real hostname, whereas it is configured for 
>>using an alias.
> 
> 
>>All list configuration says also host_name is lists.zarb.org, 
>>all URLs 
>>are OK, but it keep sending mails as @katu3.zarb.org, instead of 
>>@lists.zarb.org. What is wrong there ?
>>
> 
> What is wrong is that you have defined lists.zarb.org as a CNAME 
> pointing to katu3.zarb.org.  RFC 821, the original definition of 
> SMTP said that ALL Email should come from the canonical name of 
> the server, so older versions of sendmail and postfix, and possibly 
> other MTA's automatically change the From address to show the actual
> hostname of the sender rather than the CNAME alias which you want.
console mails comes from @zarb.org, not @katu3.zarb.org, as postfix is 
configured to use @mydomain.

> The only way to be sure that this will work is to remove the CNAME 
> record for lists.zarb.org and put in an A record in DNS.
Unfortunatly, it was not enough :-(
-- 
As soon as a still-to-be-finished computer task becomes a life-or-death 
situation, the power fails.
		-- Wood's Axiom



From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr  Wed Mar 10 00:19:50 2004
From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:19:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with the mail hostname
In-Reply-To: <4049EC38.4070000@ccr.jussieu.fr>
References: <4049EC38.4070000@ccr.jussieu.fr>
Message-ID: <404E5116.5070102@ccr.jussieu.fr>

Guillaume Rousse wrote:
> I'm having troubles with the name used by mailman for sending mails: it 
> keeps using the real hostname, whereas it is configured for using an alias.
> 
> I have this setting in mm_cfg.py:
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST  = 'lists.zarb.org'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST    = 'lists.zarb.org'
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> 
> All list configuration says also host_name is lists.zarb.org, all URLs 
> are OK, but it keep sending mails as @katu3.zarb.org, instead of 
> @lists.zarb.org. What is wrong there ?
Apart the a real problem with default configuration in mm.cfg that can 
get ouf of sync with list configurations, there are two different 
answers sofar:
- a A rather than a CNAME is needed
- a MX entry is needed

Even if none of them worked for me sofar, both of them requires quite 
important modifications (DNS changes) for something that was just 
cosmetic (differencing real users adresses from list adresses), so I 
prefered to revert to original situation (@zarb.org for everything).

However, it is quite interesting actually that I got different answers 
to this question, so it seems to be quite a complex issue...
-- 
If there is ever the possibility of several things to go wrong, the one 
that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong
		-- Murphy's Laws of Computation n?5



From AriMR at bear.com  Wed Mar 10 04:49:10 2004
From: AriMR at bear.com (Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange))
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:49:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with the mail hostname
Message-ID: <CEFAA4BE7E8E9B49A07B62C14203A1A904973073@whexchmb01.bsna.bsroot.bear.com>

> From: Guillaume Rousse [mailto:rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr]
> Tuesday, March 09, 2004 5:48 PM
> 
> > The only way to be sure that this will work is to remove the CNAME 
> > record for lists.zarb.org and put in an A record in DNS.
> Unfortunatly, it was not enough :-(

How do you know it was not enough, since I still see the CNAME record.

You have very long TTL (Time To Live) on your DNS records so the CNAME is still cached on many servers around the Internet, probably including your own.

You will have to wait until the CNAME's TTL expires before you can know for sure if my solution works or not.



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From j_chivas at langara.bc.ca  Wed Mar 10 06:50:51 2004
From: j_chivas at langara.bc.ca (Jim Chivas)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:50:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.135.1078896921.26235.mailman-users@python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0403092139360.20125-100000@pipeline.langara.bc.ca>

Greetings:

I have search the archives and checked the faq but I still would like to
get someones assistance for my instal on Sun SOlaris version 7.

It should be a pretty simple solution but I can't see it.

Near the end of the install I am asked to create the 'mailman' system
list. I did this successfully. The email that was returned to me says I
can now configure this new list by accessing:


http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman


In the following install layout I don't see any file or directory below
the admin file in the cgi-bin area.

When I do this or any other access I receive the famous:

'file not' found page in my browser.

Did I miss something during the install?


Thanks

Jim





My apache server configs are:


ScriptAlias	/mailman/	"/usr/local/mailmain/cgi-bin/"


#
<Directory	"/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin">
AllowOverride	None
Options	None
Order	allow,deny
Allow	from	all
</Directory>



While my install layout is:


# pwd
/usr/local/mailman
# ls -al cgi-bin


total 796
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      512 Mar  2 21:42 .
drwxrwsr-x  20 mailman  mailman      512 Mar  3 22:13 ..
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36456 Mar  2 21:42 admin
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 admindb
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 confirm
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 create
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36468 Mar  2 21:42 edithtml
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36468 Mar  2 21:42 listinfo
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 options
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 private
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 rmlist
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 roster
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36468 Mar  2 21:42 subscribe
#






From alblack at achilles.net  Wed Mar 10 08:20:36 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 02:20:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive rotation
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040310021416.02dd7300@pop.achilles.net>

Hi everyone,

I'm wondering if anyone has a script that manages archive rotation.  I'm 
thinking of something that can run from cron and keeps messages that have 
been around less than an month (30 days, etc), and discarding the rest.

I remember from some early looks through the list archives on a different 
topic that someone posted a perl script to the list, but after a couple 
hours of looking I can't seem to turn it up.

Thanks in advance,
al




From j.l.williams at apu.ac.uk  Wed Mar 10 10:43:39 2004
From: j.l.williams at apu.ac.uk (Jason Williams)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:43:39 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nested lists
Message-ID: <001d01c40684$2b09aa80$422d52c2@workstation>

I have a list whose members are made up entirely of other lists.  I can't
seem to make it so that I can post to this nested list, without then having
to give permission for those messages to then go to the subscribed lists.  I
have tried making those lists one where anyone can mail to them, tried
making the nested list the only on e who can mail to those lists, but to no
avail.  Can anyone help?

Jason




From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr  Wed Mar 10 11:14:19 2004
From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:14:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with the mail hostname
In-Reply-To: <CEFAA4BE7E8E9B49A07B62C14203A1A904973073@whexchmb01.bsna.bsroot.bear.com>
References: <CEFAA4BE7E8E9B49A07B62C14203A1A904973073@whexchmb01.bsna.bsroot.bear.com>
Message-ID: <404EEA7B.3090708@ccr.jussieu.fr>

Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange) wrote:
>>From: Guillaume Rousse [mailto:rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr]
>>Tuesday, March 09, 2004 5:48 PM
>>
>>
>>>The only way to be sure that this will work is to remove the CNAME 
>>>record for lists.zarb.org and put in an A record in DNS.
>>
>>Unfortunatly, it was not enough :-(
> 
> 
> How do you know it was not enough, since I still see the CNAME record.
I reverted to previous situation after constating it didn't help.

> You have very long TTL (Time To Live) on your DNS records so the CNAME is still cached on many servers around the Internet, probably including your own.
> 
> You will have to wait until the CNAME's TTL expires before you can know for sure if my solution works or not.
Even if I reload the DNS to reflect the change, and if mailman runs on 
the same host ? I didn't thought of this. I guess a full DNS stop/start 
will make sure the cache is flushed in this case. I'll give it a try if 
I can.
-- 
A program generator creates programs that are more buggy than the 
program generator
		-- Murphy's Laws of Computation n?3



From jay_honosutomo at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 10 11:33:46 2004
From: jay_honosutomo at hotmail.com (Jay Honosutomo)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:33:46 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UPDATE - Hundreds of multiple e-mails/posts being
	sent
Message-ID: <Law10-OE31yEc4YX5J50003c911@hotmail.com>

Hi all,
Further to my post yesterday (below), I'd like to clarify a few things that have been pointed out by some people. The below occurs only when I send out a post/e-mail to my list, as it is a one-way list, our subscribers do not post at all. Mailman seems to continue to send the same post to certain individuals over and over again (at the rate of about 20 per minute) until I disable the list. As you can imagine, it's terribly embarrassing for us and upsetting for our subscribers.

Has anyone experienced/heard of this problem?

Many thanks,
Jay



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yesterday's post:

Hello,
Please forgive me if I am overlooking a simple fix to this, but I have searched quite exhaustively for a solution to this problem.

I have been using a mailman list for the last few months, as a one-way information mailing list. However, on more than 3 occasions I have experienced some individuals receiving the same post/mail up to 600 times! It doesn't appear to stop until I disable the list, and it doesn't happen to everyone - just a select handful of subscribers.

If anyone has any ideas at all - I'd be grateful.

Many thanks,
Jay
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 10 14:00:09 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Mar 2004 08:00:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Why it shows listname-bounces instead of
	listname-admin?
In-Reply-To: <FMEHKLHJNBEDLIAIEPFNGEDICEAA.faruk@ait.ac.th>
References: <FMEHKLHJNBEDLIAIEPFNGEDICEAA.faruk@ait.ac.th>
Message-ID: <1078923609.3139.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

In Mailman 2.1.x, list email is sent out from Mailman with a special
address <listname>-bounces. Any mail returned to <listname>-bounces
comes from poorly designed Mail Servers or Mail Processors that do not
follow the RFC's; they are bounces though.

Mailman 2.0.x expected Mail Servers to follow the RFC's and wrote
exception handlers for those that did not.  The list of exception
handlers for Microsoft alone was huge (something in the range of 30
different ways of bouncing a message). 

The new method allows Mailman to handle bounces whether a Mail Server is
setup properly or not.  I agree that having the mail sent form
<Something>-bounces is not ideal.  Feel free to suggest a name change
for that alias.

HtH - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 00:20, Faruk Ahmed wrote:
> Dear Jon,
> 
> I am using Mailman version: 2.1.2. It works without no problem. But it shows
> From: listname-bounces at domain.com when list member receives email. Shouldn't
> it show From: listname-admin at domain.com ? I checked aliases -
> 
> test:              "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post test"
> test-admin:        "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman admin test"
> test-bounces:      "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test"
> test-confirm:      "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test"
> test-join:         "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman join test"
> test-leave:        "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman leave test"
> test-owner:        "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman owner test"
> test-request:      "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman request test"
> test-subscribe:    "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test"
> test-unsubscribe:  "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test"
> 
> Any suggestion?
> 
> Faruk Ahmed
> 




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 10 14:49:55 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Mar 2004 08:49:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hundreds of multiple e-mails/posts being sent
In-Reply-To: <Law10-OE44wlSe9F6EB000391b6@hotmail.com>
References: <Law10-OE44wlSe9F6EB000391b6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1078926595.3139.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 07:09, Jay Honosutomo wrote:
> Hello,
> Please forgive me if I am overlooking a simple fix to this, but I have
> searched quite exhaustively for a solution to this problem.
>  
> I have been using a mailman list for the last few months, as a one-way
> information mailing list. However, on more than 3 occasions I have
> experienced some individuals receiving the same post/mail up to 600
> times! It doesn't appear to stop until I disable the list, and it
> doesn't happen to everyone - just a select handful of subscribers.
>  
> If anyone has any ideas at all - I'd be grateful.
>  
> Many thanks,
> Jay
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
I've seen this a few times before. In most cases it was caused by a lack
of resources: 
 - Drive space too full
 - Not enough RAM in the server (or alloted to the virtual host)

I've also seen it caused by certain email addresses with non-standard
Ascii characters in earlier versions of Mailman.

You need to look at your resources while the list is running and also
make sure you are running the latest version of your Mailman branch
(2.0.14 and 2.1.4).

Best of luck - Jon Carnes 





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 10 14:55:17 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Mar 2004 08:55:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Message discarded...why?
In-Reply-To: <BC73931E.F61B%david@gof.se>
References: <BC73931E.F61B%david@gof.se>
Message-ID: <1078926917.3139.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 09:28, David wrote:
> Hi again,
> 
> The problem is nailed down, but not solved. Messages sent from mail.com and
> hotmail.com in HTML are auto discarded. If they send their e-mails as plain
> text they reach the list.
> 
> I do have content filtering turned on with the following settings:
> Remove message attachments that don't match.
> multipart/mixed
> multipart/alternative
> text/plain
> 
> Convert html to plain text: YES
> 
> I guess I have to add some content types to let hotmail and mail.com through
> Can someone please tell me what to add to solve this problem.
> 
>  Blue Skies,
>  /David
> 
> >> You can also have her cc you directly on her next list posting.  That
> >> should let you check on her address as well as any header abnormalities
> >> that may accompany her email posts.
> >
> >I signed up for my own mail.com account. Subscribed and sent a message
> >to the list. No problem at all with delivery.
> >
> >Her messages are still discarded to the list. Really strange
> >

You could try sending the same message to your account. Look at the
header info and pull out MIME type to allow.

If all else fails, change "convert html to plain text" to No.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 10 14:57:23 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Mar 2004 08:57:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "How i can change current directory in side
	the	externalmethod"
In-Reply-To: <20040309143155.M68403@hbcse.tifr.res.in>
References: <20040309143155.M68403@hbcse.tifr.res.in>
Message-ID: <1078927043.3139.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 09:32, Karunya Institute Team wrote:
> "How i can change current directory in side the externalmethod"

What is the frequency, Kenneth?




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 10 15:05:55 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Mar 2004 09:05:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0403092139360.20125-100000@pipeline.langara.bc.ca>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0403092139360.20125-100000@pipeline.langara.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <1078927554.3139.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Did you stop and restart Apache?

Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in
httpd.conf?
 
On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 00:50, Jim Chivas wrote:
> Greetings:
> 
> I have search the archives and checked the faq but I still would like to
> get someones assistance for my instal on Sun SOlaris version 7.
> 
> It should be a pretty simple solution but I can't see it.
> 
> Near the end of the install I am asked to create the 'mailman' system
> list. I did this successfully. The email that was returned to me says I
> can now configure this new list by accessing:
> 
> 
> http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman
> 
> 
> In the following install layout I don't see any file or directory below
> the admin file in the cgi-bin area.
> 
> When I do this or any other access I receive the famous:
> 
> 'file not' found page in my browser.
> 
> Did I miss something during the install?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My apache server configs are:
> 
> 
> ScriptAlias	/mailman/	"/usr/local/mailmain/cgi-bin/"
> 
> 
> #
> <Directory	"/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin">
> AllowOverride	None
> Options	None
> Order	allow,deny
> Allow	from	all
> </Directory>
> 
> 
> 
> While my install layout is:
> 
> 
> # pwd
> /usr/local/mailman
> # ls -al cgi-bin
> 
> 
> total 796
> drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      512 Mar  2 21:42 .
> drwxrwsr-x  20 mailman  mailman      512 Mar  3 22:13 ..
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36456 Mar  2 21:42 admin
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 admindb
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 confirm
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 create
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36468 Mar  2 21:42 edithtml
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36468 Mar  2 21:42 listinfo
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 options
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 private
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 rmlist
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 roster
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36468 Mar  2 21:42 subscribe
> #
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 10 15:13:25 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Mar 2004 09:13:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive rotation
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040310021416.02dd7300@pop.achilles.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040310021416.02dd7300@pop.achilles.net>
Message-ID: <1078928005.3139.29.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 02:20, Al Black wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has a script that manages archive rotation.  I'm 
> thinking of something that can run from cron and keeps messages that have 
> been around less than an month (30 days, etc), and discarding the rest.
> 
> I remember from some early looks through the list archives on a different 
> topic that someone posted a perl script to the list, but after a couple 
> hours of looking I can't seem to turn it up.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> al
> 
I use logrotate at my sites to rotate my logs monthly. It's simple to
setup and it's already running on most systems. I generally keep 4
months worth of back logs.

=== /etc/logrotate.d/mailman ===
/var/log/mailman/bounce /var/log/mailman/digest /var/log/mailman/error
/var/log/mailman/post /var/log/mailman/smtp
/var/log/mailman/smtp-failure /var/log/mailman/qrunner
/var/log/mailman/locks /var/log/mailman/fromusenet
/var/log/mailman/subscribe /var/log/mailman/vette {
    missingok
    sharedscripts
    postrotate
        /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl reopen >/dev/null 2>&1 || true
    endscript
}

===
Note: that's one huge wrapped line at the top containing all the mailman
log file names. 

Note2: I believe that this is included in the Mailman source
distribution (maybe as a contrib).

Also of note, right after the logrotate I kick off my monthly reporting
scripts which email the list admins with their monthly usage stats.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 10 15:16:49 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Mar 2004 09:16:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nested lists
In-Reply-To: <001d01c40684$2b09aa80$422d52c2@workstation>
References: <001d01c40684$2b09aa80$422d52c2@workstation>
Message-ID: <1078928209.3139.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 04:43, Jason Williams wrote:
> I have a list whose members are made up entirely of other lists.  I can't
> seem to make it so that I can post to this nested list, without then having
> to give permission for those messages to then go to the subscribed lists.  I
> have tried making those lists one where anyone can mail to them, tried
> making the nested list the only on e who can mail to those lists, but to no
> avail.  Can anyone help?
> 
> Jason

This used to be a Frequently Asked Question - and it is in the FAQ. You
are probably overlooking a Spam setting for the nested lists.  You need
to specify the name of the root list as a valid alternate name for each
of your nested lists.




From andyk at spunge.org  Wed Mar 10 15:42:41 2004
From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:42:41 -0600 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can moderators have access to Membership management
	options?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403100842050.13674@chi.spunge.org>


I wish that moderators have access to Membership management options, but not
to all other options available to list-owner.
Is that possible?
If not could it be included in the next Mailman edition?

ak




From alblack at achilles.net  Wed Mar 10 16:55:12 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:55:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive rotation
In-Reply-To: <1078928005.3139.29.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040310021416.02dd7300@pop.achilles.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040310021416.02dd7300@pop.achilles.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040310104736.02df7650@pop.achilles.net>


>
>I use logrotate at my sites to rotate my logs monthly. It's simple to
>setup and it's already running on most systems. I generally keep 4
>months worth of back logs.

Thanks, actually, I'm using savelogs, and keeping a couple of months worth 
of data.  So far so good.

In any case I'm curious about something.  You use: mailmanctl reopen.  In 
the script that I wrote, I stop mailman, run rotation scheme, and then 
start and reopen mailmanctl, because I was concerned about clobbering some 
ongoing process.

Was this an unnecessary concern?

al







From alblack at achilles.net  Wed Mar 10 16:47:28 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:47:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive rotation
In-Reply-To: <1078928005.3139.29.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040310021416.02dd7300@pop.achilles.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040310021416.02dd7300@pop.achilles.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040310101031.02858150@pop.achilles.net>

Hi Jon, all.

 > >I'm wondering if anyone has a script that manages archive rotation.  I'm
 > >thinking of something that can run from cron and keeps messages that have
 > > been around less than an month (30 days, etc), and discarding the rest.

>I use logrotate at my sites to rotate my logs monthly. It's simple to
>setup and it's already running on most systems. I generally keep 4
>months worth of back logs.

Thanks.  I guess I should have been more clear.

What I'm wondering about is the archived messages in 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/* rather than the log files.  I have 
the lists set up so that new archive volumes are set up on a monthly 
basis.  So the directory for each list looks like:

2003-December  (directory)
2003-December.txt
2003-December.txt.gz
2004-February (directory)
2004-February.txt
2004-February.txt.gz
2004-January (directory)
2004-January.txt
2004-January.txt.gz
2004-March (directory)
2004-March.txt
2004-March.txt.gz

And inside each of those directories are a whack of html files, pages, and 
a symbolic link.

Ideally, I'd like to keep 30 days of messages, so that users who go on 
vacation or set no mail for various reasons can go back and take a look at 
what they missed.  Its different than the usual reasons for having an 
archive, but it makes sense for social kinds of mailing lists.

Obviously, I'll have to do some configuration tweaks, switch to a yearly 
archive, and parse from there.   But it wouldn't surprise me if someone had 
done something like this before.

Thanks,
al




From godfrey at compudoc.co.za  Tue Mar  9 22:42:46 2004
From: godfrey at compudoc.co.za (Compu-Doc Godfrey)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:42:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-member filters & regular expression match
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040309233633.01b42a90@office.compudoc.za.org>

Hello

Not being too knowledgeable on regular expressions could some one please 
point me in the right direction.

Under non member filters

I would like *@compudoc.co.za and *@compudoc.za.org and *@hamshire.za.net 
to be in List of non-member addresses whose postings should be 
automatically accepted

The list I have is

^.+ at compudoc\.za\.org$
^.+ at compudoc\.co\.za$
^.+ at hamshire\.za\.net$

 From the various posts to the I have managed to glean via google above 
statements should work but it does not could some one please assist me with 
this.

Thank you


Kind Regards

Godfrey

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From rakshika at hst.org.za  Wed Mar 10 10:27:59 2004
From: rakshika at hst.org.za (Rakshika Bhana)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:27:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing archives
Message-ID: <404EFBBF.28490.B134439@localhost>

Hi

We have recently migrated some of our lists from Lyris to Mailman 
but are experiencing problems with importing archives.

We have managed to export the archives but when the archives are 
imported they appear without any visible thread. The archives of new 
lists that have been created on Mailman appear fine. 

Is there something that we're overlooking?

Thanks
Rakshika






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 10 17:36:35 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Mar 2004 11:36:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive rotation
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040310104736.02df7650@pop.achilles.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040310021416.02dd7300@pop.achilles.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040310021416.02dd7300@pop.achilles.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040310104736.02df7650@pop.achilles.net>
Message-ID: <1078936595.3139.42.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 10:55, Al Black wrote:
> >
> >I use logrotate at my sites to rotate my logs monthly. It's simple to
> >setup and it's already running on most systems. I generally keep 4
> >months worth of back logs.
> 
> Thanks, actually, I'm using savelogs, and keeping a couple of months worth 
> of data.  So far so good.
> 
> In any case I'm curious about something.  You use: mailmanctl reopen.  In 
> the script that I wrote, I stop mailman, run rotation scheme, and then 
> start and reopen mailmanctl, because I was concerned about clobbering some 
> ongoing process.
> 
> Was this an unnecessary concern?
> 
> al

Your method should work fine. Stopping and starting Mailman shouldn't
hurt anything. I just use "reopen" because it was specifically added to
Mailmanctl to handle this situation:

    reopen  - This will close all log files, causing them 
              to be re-opened the next time a message is
              written to them

Jon




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 10 17:59:10 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Mar 2004 11:59:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive rotation
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040310101031.02858150@pop.achilles.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040310021416.02dd7300@pop.achilles.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040310021416.02dd7300@pop.achilles.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040310101031.02858150@pop.achilles.net>
Message-ID: <1078937950.3139.66.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 10:47, Al Black wrote:
> Hi Jon, all.
> 
>  > >I'm wondering if anyone has a script that manages archive rotation.  I'm
>  > >thinking of something that can run from cron and keeps messages that have
>  > > been around less than an month (30 days, etc), and discarding the rest.
> 
> >I use logrotate at my sites to rotate my logs monthly. It's simple to
> >setup and it's already running on most systems. I generally keep 4
> >months worth of back logs.
> 
> Thanks.  I guess I should have been more clear.
> 
> What I'm wondering about is the archived messages in 
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/* rather than the log files.  I have 
> the lists set up so that new archive volumes are set up on a monthly 
> basis.  So the directory for each list looks like:
> 
> 2003-December  (directory)
> 2003-December.txt
> 2003-December.txt.gz
> 2004-February (directory)
> 2004-February.txt
> 2004-February.txt.gz
> 2004-January (directory)
> 2004-January.txt
> 2004-January.txt.gz
> 2004-March (directory)
> 2004-March.txt
> 2004-March.txt.gz
> 
> And inside each of those directories are a whack of html files, pages, and 
> a symbolic link.
> 
> Ideally, I'd like to keep 30 days of messages, so that users who go on 
> vacation or set no mail for various reasons can go back and take a look at 
> what they missed.  Its different than the usual reasons for having an 
> archive, but it makes sense for social kinds of mailing lists.
> 
> Obviously, I'll have to do some configuration tweaks, switch to a yearly 
> archive, and parse from there.   But it wouldn't surprise me if someone had 
> done something like this before.
> 
> Thanks,
> al
> 
Doh! I really should drink my coffee before answering these.

I've written some stuff that does this for Pipermail. It's not as easy
as you think.  The hardest part is editing the mbox file that is used
for archive storing and for rebuilding the archives. You've got to pull
the old mail out of the mbox, while keeping the current mail.
If you can get that part done, then the rest follows nicely.

You can use a trigger email that is sent to the archives monthly (mine's
cleverly disguised as a monthly mailing list policy reminder). If you
use that as your anchor within the mbox file, then cutting the file is
fairly trivial.
 
Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From ted at nicar.org  Wed Mar 10 18:41:00 2004
From: ted at nicar.org (Ted Peterson)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:41:00 -0600
Subject: [mailman-users] member-only lists and non-member postings
Message-ID: <404EFECC.5247.478F5CE@localhost>

The same as Nancy, I am also seeing viruses (W32Beagle) on moderated
Mailman lists since last Friday, March 5th.  Here are the mbox
headers if anybody has a clue:

> From aajaonline-admin at svr1.nicar.org Wed Mar 10 01:17:14 2004
> Received: from TOSHIBA-ERIK (ool-4352a0c2.dyn.optonline.net
> [67.82.160.194])
>         by svr1.nicar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id
>         i2A1HCMh013231 for <aajaonline at aaja.org>; Wed, 10 Mar 2004
>         01:17:13 GMT
> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:17:07 -0800
> To: aajaonline at aaja.org
> From: National at aaja.org
> Message-ID: <qwounnxrcclimtadjqw at aaja.org>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--------ymseoxktfqrivsnemwfk"
> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,YOU_WON 
>         autolearn=no version=2.60
> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on 
>         svr1.nicar.org
> Subject: [AAJAOnline] Weeeeee! ;)))
> X-BeenThere: aajaonline at aaja.org
> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3
> Precedence: list
> List-Id: AAJAOnline <aajaonline.aaja.org>
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Thanks.
Ted Peterson
IRE/NICAR Web Administrator

On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:25:24 -0800, Nancy S wrote:
Subject: Re: [mailman-users] member-only lists and non-member
postings 

At 11:42 AM 3/5/04 -0500,  Dean Karres wrote:
>Two days ago we received several spam / virus loaded messages from
>obviously fake non-members on a few of our mailing lists.  All were
>stopped and discarded -- except two.  Those two messages were aimed 
at
>out largest mailing list.

In the last 48 hours, two messages with faked (nonmember) addresses 
and virus 
attachments got through to our member-only lists. Between the first 
and second attack, 
I changed the administrator and moderator passwords and I haven't 
shared the new 
passwords with anyone. One of the lists is *very* tightly controlled 
and none of the 3 
folks who could post without moderation has reported their system 
being compromised. 
The logfiles show nothing but the messages going through as if they 
had been from 
unmoderated members of the list (but the sender in the logfile is 
clearly a 
nonmember). I don't see anything in the headers of the messages that 
would indicate 
why they bypassed the moderator.

While this doesn't answer Dean's question about how to compare the 
configurations of 
two lists, my gut is telling me the lists are properly configured and 
something else 
is going on. Any clues would be appreciated.

Thanks!

-Nancy




From j_chivas at langara.bc.ca  Wed Mar 10 18:53:56 2004
From: j_chivas at langara.bc.ca (Jim Chivas)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:53:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
In-Reply-To: <1078927554.3139.21.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0403100952370.7400-100000@pipeline.langara.bc.ca>

On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:

> Did you stop and restart Apache?

yes.
>
> Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in
> httpd.conf?

None.

Is this the correct url ?

http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman

Does my install directory look correct?


Thanks

Jim


>
> On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 00:50, Jim Chivas wrote:
> > Greetings:
> >
> > I have search the archives and checked the faq but I still would like to
> > get someones assistance for my instal on Sun SOlaris version 7.
> >
> > It should be a pretty simple solution but I can't see it.
> >
> > Near the end of the install I am asked to create the 'mailman' system
> > list. I did this successfully. The email that was returned to me says I
> > can now configure this new list by accessing:
> >
> >
> > http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman
> >
> >
> > In the following install layout I don't see any file or directory below
> > the admin file in the cgi-bin area.
> >
> > When I do this or any other access I receive the famous:
> >
> > 'file not' found page in my browser.
> >
> > Did I miss something during the install?
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My apache server configs are:
> >
> >
> > ScriptAlias	/mailman/	"/usr/local/mailmain/cgi-bin/"
> >
> >
> > #
> > <Directory	"/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin">
> > AllowOverride	None
> > Options	None
> > Order	allow,deny
> > Allow	from	all
> > </Directory>
> >
> >
> >
> > While my install layout is:
> >
> >
> > # pwd
> > /usr/local/mailman
> > # ls -al cgi-bin
> >
> >
> > total 796
> > drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      512 Mar  2 21:42 .
> > drwxrwsr-x  20 mailman  mailman      512 Mar  3 22:13 ..
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36456 Mar  2 21:42 admin
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 admindb
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 confirm
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 create
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36468 Mar  2 21:42 edithtml
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36468 Mar  2 21:42 listinfo
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 options
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 private
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 rmlist
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 roster
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36468 Mar  2 21:42 subscribe
> > #
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>

-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------

Jim Chivas                              email:  jchivas at langara.bc.ca
Information And Computing services      fax:    (604) 323-5349
Langara College                         Voice:  (604) 323-5390
100 West 49th  Avenue                   http://www.langara.bc.ca
Vancouver, B.C., Canada
V5Y 2Z6






From alblack at achilles.net  Wed Mar 10 19:09:30 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:09:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive rotation
In-Reply-To: <1078937950.3139.66.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040310101031.02858150@pop.achilles.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040310021416.02dd7300@pop.achilles.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040310021416.02dd7300@pop.achilles.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040310101031.02858150@pop.achilles.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040310130520.02858150@pop.achilles.net>

Hey Jon, all

>Doh! I really should drink my coffee before answering these.

Understand completely.

>I've written some stuff that does this for Pipermail. It's not as easy
>as you think.

I looked at the instructions for removing items in the FAQ over lunch; no 
kidding.

>You can use a trigger email that is sent to the archives monthly (mine's
>cleverly disguised as a monthly mailing list policy reminder). If you
>use that as your anchor within the mbox file, then cutting the file is
>fairly trivial.

Oh, good idea.  I think that will make it more manageable.

Thanks,
al 




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 10 19:54:10 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Mar 2004 13:54:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0403100952370.7400-100000@pipeline.langara.bc.ca>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0403100952370.7400-100000@pipeline.langara.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <1078944850.3139.109.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 12:53, Jim Chivas wrote:
> On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> > Did you stop and restart Apache?
> 
> yes.
> >
> > Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in
> > httpd.conf?
> 
> None.
> 
> Is this the correct url ?
> 
> http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman

should be fine as long as your servers domain name is "my-server-name"
:-)

> Does my install directory look correct?
> 

In my installs I don't use the <Directory> directive to define Apache's
access for the local directories. I just have the ScriptAlias point
there.

Leave the ScriptAlias but comment out this stuff and then restart Apache
 <Directory  "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin">
   AllowOverride       None
   Options     None
   Order       allow,deny
   Allow       from    all
 </Directory>

It may be that if you define the Directory that you must specify
"ExecCGI" in the Options statement (and not "None").

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

> Thanks
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> >
> > On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 00:50, Jim Chivas wrote:
> > > Greetings:
> > >
> > > I have search the archives and checked the faq but I still would like to
> > > get someones assistance for my instal on Sun SOlaris version 7.
> > >
> > > It should be a pretty simple solution but I can't see it.
> > >
> > > Near the end of the install I am asked to create the 'mailman' system
> > > list. I did this successfully. The email that was returned to me says I
> > > can now configure this new list by accessing:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman
> > >
> > >
> > > In the following install layout I don't see any file or directory below
> > > the admin file in the cgi-bin area.
> > >
> > > When I do this or any other access I receive the famous:
> > >
> > > 'file not' found page in my browser.
> > >
> > > Did I miss something during the install?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My apache server configs are:
> > >
> > >
> > > ScriptAlias	/mailman/	"/usr/local/mailmain/cgi-bin/"
> > >
> > >
> > > #
> > > <Directory	"/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin">
> > > AllowOverride	None
> > > Options	None
> > > Order	allow,deny
> > > Allow	from	all
> > > </Directory>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > While my install layout is:
> > >
> > >
> > > # pwd
> > > /usr/local/mailman
> > > # ls -al cgi-bin
> > >
> > >
> > > total 796
> > > drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      512 Mar  2 21:42 .
> > > drwxrwsr-x  20 mailman  mailman      512 Mar  3 22:13 ..
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36456 Mar  2 21:42 admin
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 admindb
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 confirm
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 create
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36468 Mar  2 21:42 edithtml
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36468 Mar  2 21:42 listinfo
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 options
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 private
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 rmlist
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36460 Mar  2 21:42 roster
> > > -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman    36468 Mar  2 21:42 subscribe
> > > #
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> >
> 
> -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Jim Chivas                              email:  jchivas at langara.bc.ca
> Information And Computing services      fax:    (604) 323-5349
> Langara College                         Voice:  (604) 323-5390
> 100 West 49th  Avenue                   http://www.langara.bc.ca
> Vancouver, B.C., Canada
> V5Y 2Z6
> 
> 
> 




From kmccann at bellanet.org  Wed Mar 10 22:17:36 2004
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:17:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing archives
In-Reply-To: <404EFBBF.28490.B134439@localhost>
References: <404EFBBF.28490.B134439@localhost>
Message-ID: <404F85F0.1000907@bellanet.org>

Rakshika Bhana wrote:

>Hi
>
>We have recently migrated some of our lists from Lyris to Mailman 
>but are experiencing problems with importing archives.
>
>We have managed to export the archives but when the archives are 
>imported they appear without any visible thread. The archives of new 
>lists that have been created on Mailman appear fine. 
>
>Is there something that we're overlooking?
>  
>

Try replacing the CRLF's in the archive file to CR's. There really ought 
to be an "Export to Windows or Unix/Linux file?" option in the 
exp-arc.pl script, where the script would generate CRLF's only if you 
choose Windows. Another thing about threading:   Lyris does not maintain 
In-Reply-To: and References: headers properly. You can't establish 
anything more than a two-level thread (original message and replies to 
that message). At least not in Lyris ListManager 5.0 or earlier. This 
has been my one major stink with Lyris.

- Kevin






From karl at sfdata.net  Wed Mar 10 22:36:34 2004
From: karl at sfdata.net (karl at sfdata.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:36:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman On QVCS 9 Redhat 9
Message-ID: <9622.216.175.82.35.1078954594.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>

Hi there,

I've scanned the archives, have any of you installed Mailman on QVCS?

QVCS is qmail-based, uses vmailmgr, courier-imap and squirrelmail:
http://mirror.mricon.com/qvcs-guide/qvcs-guide.html

I have read the README.LINUX and README.QMAIL files, and would like to
know if anyone out there has successfully set this up before in a
production environment.

My boss is WAY INTO MAILMAN, so drop me a line if you have recommdations. 
We are an open-source shop trying to answer as many case studies in real
time as possible, binding this to QVCS might be nettlesome?...

-karlski



From egbert at vandenbussche.nl  Wed Mar 10 23:33:46 2004
From: egbert at vandenbussche.nl (Egbert Jan van den Bussche)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:33:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin problems
Message-ID: <NGBBLNPBELJFKEOEIMHNGEFKDEAA.egbert@vandenbussche.nl>

Hi! Another newbie here trying to use Mailman..

I've installed Mailman 2.1.4 from source on Mandrake Linux 9.2. My MTA is
Postfix (with one virtual domain). After having created the initial list
'mailman' per INSTALL document, I keep getting the message 'No such list
mailman' on the ../admin/mailman web page. I cannot proceed with the next
instruction in the INSTALL document to add myself to the list. When I use
the command line utils, the list is there and I'm the owner. Why doesn't it
show up in the webpage?

Maybe related, I don't know, but I have never been able to create a new list
via the web page. Whatever password I use (I've set one with the mmsitepass
module) I always are not authorized to create a new list.

Can somebody shed some light on the problem?

Thanks!
Egbert Jan
NL






From tom.wills at cox.net  Thu Mar 11 05:04:51 2004
From: tom.wills at cox.net (Tom Wills)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:04:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up archive
Message-ID: <404FE563.000025.01564@WIN2K>

I suspect I'm blind in one eye and can't see out the other, so here goes my
question. how do I set up the archiving feature??? Right now when I click
view the archive, I get sent to http://server.dns4us.net/. I suspect this is
so obvious I just can't see how to do it. Thank you in advance for your kind
assistance. 
***********************************************
* Tom Wills, Webmaster and Administrator
* TI-99/4A Hall of Fame and TI-99/4A On-Line User Group
* http://www.ti99hof.org
* http://www.ti99hof.org/olug/
* twills at ti99hof.org
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From stephane.colella at cvce.lu  Thu Mar 11 11:55:11 2004
From: stephane.colella at cvce.lu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_COLELLA?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:55:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with wrapper configuration file
Message-ID: <9D641EBD1884C945AECF26D8C7B59450307452@scvce4.cvce.lu>

hello,
i ahev tried to install mailman, the subsbribe page under apche worked well until this morning but now i get always this error :
Cannot read wrapper configuration file
Does someone know what this error means?

thanks
Stefan Colella




From cbell at msbv.com  Wed Mar 10 20:55:28 2004
From: cbell at msbv.com (Chip Bell)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:55:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Int works, emails dont
Message-ID: <95DAFCC0ADD5254BBC8C9736009C7A864D62FF@msbvmail2k.msbv.com>

I have the qmail toaster running on RH 9.0.  I can subscribe via http
just fine, it sends the confirmation to my email and all is good.  When
I send an email to the list, nothing comes back.  When I look in my
squirrelmail, the email IS there, but nothing is occurring.  I'm
specifically talking about trying to join the list via email.  I have a
band and I'm configuring our mailing list w/ a form for email.

 

Please help!

 

 

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From tom at wills.net  Thu Mar 11 05:00:06 2004
From: tom at wills.net (Tom Wills)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:00:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up archive
Message-ID: <404FE446.000022.01564@WIN2K>

I suspect I'm blind in one eye and can't see out the other, so here goes my
question. how do I set up the archiving feature??? Right now when I click
view the archive, I get sent to http://server.dns4us.net/. I suspect this is
so obvious I just can't see how to do it. Thank you in advance for your kind
assistance.
***********************************************
* Tom Wills, Webmaster and Administrator
* TI-99/4A Hall of Fame and TI-99/4A On-Line User Group
* http://www.ti99hof.org
* http://www.ti99hof.org/olug/
* twills at ti99hof.org
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From faruk at ait.ac.th  Thu Mar 11 07:57:30 2004
From: faruk at ait.ac.th (Faruk Ahmed)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:57:30 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Why it shows listname-bounces instead of
	listname-admin?
In-Reply-To: <1078923609.3139.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <FMEHKLHJNBEDLIAIEPFNEEEHCEAA.faruk@ait.ac.th>

Hi Jon,

Thanks for good reply.
>
>The new method allows Mailman to handle bounces whether a Mail Server is
>setup properly or not.  I agree that having the mail sent form
><Something>-bounces is not ideal.  Feel free to suggest a name change
>for that alias.

you can consider the following names -

<listname>-mailman at domain.com
<listname>-postman at domain.com
<listname>-mailer at domain.com
<listname>-mail-distributor at domain.com

Thanks

>
>HtH - Jon Carnes
>
>On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 00:20, Faruk Ahmed wrote:
>> Dear Jon,
>> 
>> I am using Mailman version: 2.1.2. It works without no problem. 
>But it shows
>> From: listname-bounces at domain.com when list member receives 
>email. Shouldn't
>> it show From: listname-admin at domain.com ? I checked aliases -
>> 
>> test:              "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post test"
>> test-admin:        "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman admin test"
>> test-bounces:      "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test"
>> test-confirm:      "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test"
>> test-join:         "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman join test"
>> test-leave:        "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman leave test"
>> test-owner:        "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman owner test"
>> test-request:      "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman request test"
>> test-subscribe:    "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test"
>> test-unsubscribe:  "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test"
>> 
>> Any suggestion?
>> 
>> Faruk Ahmed
>> 
>



From webb at selftest.net  Thu Mar 11 08:20:16 2004
From: webb at selftest.net (Webb)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:20:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] broadcast emailings using mailman 2.1.3
Message-ID: <00ad01c40739$55ac6bf0$0501a8c0@webb>

Hey folks,

My webhosting service includes two mailman lists with the service, and I'm
trying to figure out if mailman is a reasonable way to do broadcast (push
only) emailings of event announcements and the like. I do not want to set up
a discussion group, but only want a way to send out a few hundred emails
without my DSL provider's SMTP server rejecting more than 50 addressees at a
time for a single outgoing message. Is mailman (2.1.3) an appropriate client
for this sort of activity, and if so, what settings will achieve the push
only result? (The exception is that it would be required for people to be
able to opt out, but NOT by replying to the list address.) If mailman is not
good for that application, do you have a recommendation of something
relatively easy, and well adapted to the file types generated by MS
Outlook's Contact lists? I'm aware of software that creates a virtual SMTP
server to manage broadcast emails-is that a better solution, and if so, what
software do you recommend?

Thanks for any help-I'm a 100% beginner.

Webb Mealy

 

 

 

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From Artman.John at ensco.com  Thu Mar 11 15:30:03 2004
From: Artman.John at ensco.com (Artman.John)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:30:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove URL from mailman messages
Message-ID: <4100BC0044FC9744A0D9FFEA325BA7A6EB2753@mb-exch.ensco.win>

I'm trying to figure out how to remove the URL at the end of all
messages that come through the list...the mailman server will not be
accessible via http to users outside our network, however it will mail
to them.  Any help is appreciated.

John

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From rxweb+ at pitt.edu  Thu Mar 11 17:15:30 2004
From: rxweb+ at pitt.edu (Thomas Waters)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:15:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <50E51EF1-7377-11D8-B60F-000393BB8C90@pitt.edu>


--
Thomas Waters
Director of Information and Communication Services
University of Pittsburgh, School of Pharmacy
rxweb at pitt.edu
http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu




From rxweb+ at pitt.edu  Thu Mar 11 17:23:16 2004
From: rxweb+ at pitt.edu (Thomas Waters)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:23:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't find mm_cfg.py
Message-ID: <66A88CD3-7378-11D8-BCCD-003065B5D73C@pitt.edu>

Using a version of MAC OS X.3.3 Server I cannot locate the mm_cfg.py 
file.   Normally, the path is /var/mailman/Mailman , however the entire 
sub-directory "Mailman" is not in the mailman directory.   I had edited 
this file once before in the aforementioned path however since 
upgrading from OS X.3.2 to OS X.3.3 I haven't been able to find the 
"Mailman" directory or the mm_cfg.py file.   Suggestions?




From cae at bklyn.org  Thu Mar 11 17:59:50 2004
From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:59:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help stopping Virus sent to lists "from" my domain
Message-ID: <20040311165950.GA4943@bklyn.org>


	Mailman version 2.1.4

	Hi folks.  I administer a few Mailman-based lists on etree.org
	(http://mail.etree.org has the web interface if you care), and
	used to think I had the lists well configured to block most
	virus and SPAM.

	Lately however the lists have begun to receive viruses posing
	as official-looking messages from addresses like these ("at" =
	@, "dot = .) "management at Etree dot org" and "admin at Etree
	dot org", which are ficticious addresses but look real enough
	to many subscribers. The virus payload gets stripped out by
	Mailman's MimeDel filtering, but I am at a loss to explain how
	the posts are making it through the privacy filters in the
	first place.

	For example, the announce list has all users set as
	moderated and a handful of addresses are listed in
	accept_these_nonmembers.  The generic_nonmember_action is set
	to Discard.  The addresses I mention above (management and
	admin at Etree.org) are not members of the list and not
	mentioned anywhere in any of the list configuration.  Yet an
	still, postings with these addresses listed in the "From:"
	header are making it through to the list without being held up
	for moderation or being discarded.

	Here is a sample message:

	http://bklyn.org/~cae/mailman-stumper.txt

	I'd be grateful if anyone could help me figure out how these
	sorts of messages are making it thru Mailman's privacy
	filters.  Thoughts I had:

	* Could the sender be forging "X-BeenThere"; would that cause
	  Mailman to let the post go through?

	* Does Mailman silently allow <anything>@yourdomain through
	  to the lists?

-- 
Caleb Epstein |  bklyn . org  |  BOFH excuse #281:
    cae at    | Brooklyn Dust |
bklyn dot org |   Bunny Mfg.  |  The co-locator cannot verify the frame-relay
              |               |  gateway to the ISDN server.



From cae at bklyn.org  Thu Mar 11 18:28:20 2004
From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:28:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help stopping Virus sent to lists "from" my domain
In-Reply-To: <20040311165950.GA4943@bklyn.org>
References: <20040311165950.GA4943@bklyn.org>
Message-ID: <20040311172820.GB4943@bklyn.org>

On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 11:59:50AM -0500, Caleb Epstein wrote:

> Here is a sample message:
> http://bklyn.org/~cae/mailman-stumper.txt

	OK, I've found out a little bit more about the exploit.  The
	message is sent with an envelope-from (I think thats the right
	term) of an actual list subscriber, one who has permission to
	post to the list, but the From: header is one of these made-up
	official addresss:

	From my mail server's logs (subscriber's address mangled):

2004-03-11 16:31:44 1B1T5z-0009zY-00 <= SUBSCRIBER at DOMAIN.COM H=(srr2) [192.168.100.17] P=smtp S=17730 id=pbecvykwgcgqjemyxjx at Etree.org from <SUBSCRIBER at DOMAIN.COM> for Announce at etree.org

	From mailman's "post" log:

Mar 11 16:32:20 2004 (98296) post to announce from management at etree.org, size=2189, message-id=<pbecvykwgcgqjemyxjx at Etree.org>, success

	Any suggestions on how to catch this forgery?

-- 
Caleb Epstein |  bklyn . org  |           BOFH excuse #260:
    cae at    | Brooklyn Dust |
bklyn dot org |   Bunny Mfg.  |           We're upgrading /dev/null



From ted at ire.org  Thu Mar 11 18:50:25 2004
From: ted at ire.org (ted)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:50:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help stopping Virus sent to lists "from" my domain
In-Reply-To: <20040311172820.GB4943@bklyn.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0403111147530.6597-100000@svr1.nicar.org>

Calab,

I just posted a bug ticket for this problem.  You are the 3rd or 4th
person, including me, to have reported this to mailman-users
recently.  The bug ticket is here:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103

Please add your comments to the item so the developers take this
seriously.  If you don't have a SourceForge account, you can create one
here:  http://sourceforge.net/account/register.php

Thanks.
--Ted

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Caleb Epstein wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 11:59:50AM -0500, Caleb Epstein wrote:
>
> > Here is a sample message:
> > http://bklyn.org/~cae/mailman-stumper.txt
>
> 	OK, I've found out a little bit more about the exploit.  The
> 	message is sent with an envelope-from (I think thats the right
> 	term) of an actual list subscriber, one who has permission to
> 	post to the list, but the From: header is one of these made-up
> 	official addresss:
>
> 	From my mail server's logs (subscriber's address mangled):
>
> 2004-03-11 16:31:44 1B1T5z-0009zY-00 <= SUBSCRIBER at DOMAIN.COM H=(srr2) [192.168.100.17] P=smtp S=17730 id=pbecvykwgcgqjemyxjx at Etree.org from <SUBSCRIBER at DOMAIN.COM> for Announce at etree.org
>
> 	From mailman's "post" log:
>
> Mar 11 16:32:20 2004 (98296) post to announce from management at etree.org, size=2189, message-id=<pbecvykwgcgqjemyxjx at Etree.org>, success
>
> 	Any suggestions on how to catch this forgery?
>
>





From jamie at silverdream.org  Thu Mar 11 18:59:49 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:59:49 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help stopping Virus sent to lists "from" my domain
In-Reply-To: <20040311172820.GB4943@bklyn.org>
References: <20040311165950.GA4943@bklyn.org> <20040311172820.GB4943@bklyn.org>
Message-ID: <1079027989.24168.102.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 17:28, Caleb Epstein wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 11:59:50AM -0500, Caleb Epstein wrote:
> 	OK, I've found out a little bit more about the exploit.  The
> 	message is sent with an envelope-from (I think thats the right
> 	term) of an actual list subscriber, one who has permission to
> 	post to the list, but the From: header is one of these made-up
> 	official addresss:
<snip>
> 	Any suggestions on how to catch this forgery?

This type of forgery is usually best handled at the MTA level, I've
setup Postfix to reject mail which appears to originate locally, but is
being received from somewhere else, You don't say what MTA you're using,
but I'm sure there is similar functionality available.

Secondly, all mail to my lists is first sent to a content filter (in my
case, amavis-new) for analysis, which uses SA/clamd to catch most spam
and virii, which means that such mail is stopped before it ever reaches
Mailman.

HTH

-j

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From jerry at sandiego.edu  Thu Mar 11 19:32:21 2004
From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerold Stratton)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:32:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help stopping Virus sent to lists "from" my domain
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0403111147530.6597-100000@svr1.nicar.org>
Message-ID: <6F3B2E88-738A-11D8-AABF-000A959F54EC@sandiego.edu>

On Thursday, March 11, 2004, at 09:50  AM, ted wrote:
> I just posted a bug ticket for this problem.  You are the 3rd or 4th
> person, including me, to have reported this to mailman-users
> recently.  The bug ticket is here:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103
>
> Please add your comments to the item so the developers take this
> seriously.  If you don't have a SourceForge account, you can create one
> here:  http://sourceforge.net/account/register.php
>

I've been having this problem also, but while I'm sure the developers 
are taking it seriously, I'm not sure what they can do. E-mail has only 
one means of determining who something is from: the envelope from.

They could match the envelope to the from: line, but that's hardly a 
fix. The from: line is just as easy to forge as the envelope.

The only way I can see of them "fixing" it is to disallow any 
non-moderated users or administrators. They could force all messages, 
even from list admins, to be moderated. I don't see that going over 
very well.

The best place to fix this particular instantiation of the problem is 
at the mail server anyway. The mail server itself should never have 
delivered the virus-laden message to the mailing list. But this does 
not solve the problem of forged from addresses, it only keeps forgeries 
from bearing known viruses.

Personally, I use this as an excuse to turn off attachments to mailing 
lists. But that isn't a solution that goes over very well either.

My personal preference for "fixing" it is for mail client writers to 
start supporting a signed mail standard. Then, mailman could accept 
administrator mail only if it is signed and the administrator has 
already given mailman their public key. But doing that today would be 
practically the same thing as requiring all administrator mail to be 
moderated.

Jerry
jerry at sandiego.edu
http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/
Serra 188B/x8773
--
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing 
that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly 
go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and 
repair."--Douglas Adams (Mostly Harmless)




From jamie at silverdream.org  Thu Mar 11 20:05:18 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:05:18 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove URL from mailman messages
In-Reply-To: <4100BC0044FC9744A0D9FFEA325BA7A6EB2753@mb-exch.ensco.win>
References: <4100BC0044FC9744A0D9FFEA325BA7A6EB2753@mb-exch.ensco.win>
Message-ID: <1079031918.24168.169.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 14:30, Artman.John wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out how to remove the URL at the end of all
> messages that come through the list?the mailman server will not be
> accessible via http to users outside our network, however it will mail
> to them.  Any help is appreciated.

Take a look at the msg_footer option.

-j

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From ccrayne at crayne.org  Thu Mar 11 20:20:04 2004
From: ccrayne at crayne.org (Charles A. Crayne)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:20:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove URL from mailman messages
In-Reply-To: <4100BC0044FC9744A0D9FFEA325BA7A6EB2753@mb-exch.ensco.win>
References: <4100BC0044FC9744A0D9FFEA325BA7A6EB2753@mb-exch.ensco.win>
Message-ID: <20040311112004.79c04784@heimdall.crayne.org>

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:30:03 -0500
"Artman.John" <Artman.John at ensco.com> wrote:

:I'm trying to figure out how to remove the URL at the end of all
:messages that come through the list...

Go to Non-digest options, and edit the text in "Footer added to mail . . ."



From techguru at multibyte.de  Thu Mar 11 20:26:08 2004
From: techguru at multibyte.de (Nickie Haflinger)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:26:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pointing mailman to certain postfix instance
Message-ID: <2147483647.1079036768@[192.168.115.140]>

Hi,

Im am running two postfix instances on one server with separate IP 
addresses and would like to point mailman to a certain instance for 
sending.

Is that possible? Where and how can I do that?

Thanks for any hint or help.

Nickie



From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Mar 11 20:34:56 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:34:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help stopping Virus sent to lists "from" my domain
In-Reply-To: <6F3B2E88-738A-11D8-AABF-000A959F54EC@sandiego.edu>
Message-ID: <BC75FF60.E245%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 3/11/2004 10:32, "Jerold Stratton" <jerry at sandiego.edu> wrote:

> On Thursday, March 11, 2004, at 09:50  AM, ted wrote:
>> I just posted a bug ticket for this problem.  You are the 3rd or 4th
>> person, including me, to have reported this to mailman-users
>> recently.  The bug ticket is here:
>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103
>> 
>> Please add your comments to the item so the developers take this
>> seriously.  If you don't have a SourceForge account, you can create one
>> here:  http://sourceforge.net/account/register.php
>> 
> 
> I've been having this problem also, but while I'm sure the developers
> are taking it seriously, I'm not sure what they can do. E-mail has only
> one means of determining who something is from: the envelope from.
> 
> They could match the envelope to the from: line, but that's hardly a
> fix. The from: line is just as easy to forge as the envelope.
> 
> The only way I can see of them "fixing" it is to disallow any
> non-moderated users or administrators. They could force all messages,
> even from list admins, to be moderated. I don't see that going over
> very well.

Any address which is automatically allowed to post is an opening for forged
posts.  I suggested a couple of years ago in the developers list that
consideration be given to creating an option in which situations like this
are handled by digitally signing the messages from the blessed senders, and
having Mailman check the signatures and reject unsigned and non-verifying
messages.  Doing this is decidedly non-trivial, and doing the signing may be
beyond some blessed senders' email abilities.

At the MTA level, one could specifically reject messages to the list posting
address which have the right envelope sender but don't come from the "right"
place(s) for that particular sender.

But it's probably easier to have the blessed senders moderated, unless
there's a high volume of posting by them.  (In many cases, if you can trust
them to post, you can trust them to moderate, now that Mailman as the
moderator level of access to the list.  So they can pass their own messages
through moderation.)

  --John



From cae at bklyn.org  Thu Mar 11 20:45:41 2004
From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:45:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help stopping Virus sent to lists "from" my domain
In-Reply-To: <1079027989.24168.102.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>
References: <20040311165950.GA4943@bklyn.org> <20040311172820.GB4943@bklyn.org>
	<1079027989.24168.102.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>
Message-ID: <20040311194541.GC4943@bklyn.org>

On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 05:59:49PM +0000, Jamie Penman-Smithson wrote:

> This type of forgery is usually best handled at the MTA level, I've
> setup Postfix to reject mail which appears to originate locally, but is
> being received from somewhere else, You don't say what MTA you're using,
> but I'm sure there is similar functionality available.

	We're in the process of overhauling our mail server, and will
	be moving to postfix, amavis-new and clamav when we do (I've
	already done this at home and its catching a ton of
	viruses)

	In the meanwhile, though, it seems at the very least that
	Mailman has a bug whereby the privacy filters seem to check
	the "envelope-from" and do not check it against the From: in
	the message header.  The Mailman post log for my system lists
	the information in the From: header, when clearly this was not
	the address that was checked.

	Now I know how to track these forgeries back to the address
	that is being used as a "gateway" (the envelope-from), but
	Mailman itself could perhaps do a better job of making sure
	the two addresses agree (assuming that won't break something
	else).

-- 
              |               | Under any conditions, anywhere, whatever you
Caleb Epstein |  bklyn . org  | are doing, there is some ordinance under which
    cae at    | Brooklyn Dust | you can be booked.
bklyn dot org |   Bunny Mfg.  | 		-- Robert D. Sprecht,
              |               | 		Rand Corp.



From james at loowit.net  Fri Mar 12 00:51:31 2004
From: james at loowit.net (James T Perkins)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:51:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Typeerror bug all over web interface
Message-ID: <32984.147.11.222.29.1079049091.squirrel@147.11.222.29>

Marco complains out about this:
> In many parts of the web interface I am getting the same mailman bug: It
started when confirming a subscription through the online interface:

>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 312, in
setMemberOption
>     self.__mlist.user_options[memberkey] |= flag
>  TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for |=: 'list' and 'int'

I saw this sort of problem happen too. I had been running mailman on one
server, and then I tar'ed up the contents of the list info and archives
and moved it over to an identically configured computer. Or so I thought.

Things mostly worked well, but I kept getting these type errors. Things
worsened to the point where the Web GUI stopped working, config_list -o
stopped working, list_members -d listname stopped working (although
list_members -r listname still worked).  It turned out they always were
related to member list and list configuration settings.  Ultimately, I
did:

    list_members -r listname > regular.folks
    list_members -d listname > digest.folks
    # the last invocation died with a typeerror
    # may not have gotten everyone
    rmlist listname
    newlist listname
    # went off to the GUI and re-set up the list,
    # free from type errors! then...
    add_members -r regular.folks -d digest.folks listname

And then I told everyone their passwords were changed. Fortunately rmlist
doesn't destroy the list archives.

Magically it appears everything is working now... no more typeerrors.

I suspect that something subtle was broken in a digest member entry for
that list, and it screwed up everything else (it seems config_list -o even
pokes through the member list enough to get a type error).

Cheers,
James




From jimo at star.odn.ne.jp  Fri Mar 12 09:14:25 2004
From: jimo at star.odn.ne.jp (JimO)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:14:25 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not filling in reply mail fields?
Message-ID: <20040312081425.22773@smtp17.odn.ne.jp>

Hi-

My users suddenly started getting subscriber authorization request emails
with none of the variables filled in. 

i.e.

We have received a request%(remote)s for subscription of your email
address, "%(email)s", to the %(description). To confirm that you want...

Any ideas?

Jim






From andy at andycabs.com  Fri Mar 12 13:44:53 2004
From: andy at andycabs.com (andy)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:44:53 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment removal
In-Reply-To: <20040312081425.22773@smtp17.odn.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <NHBBKHAKKNKFFKFCIBNCAEBKEDAA.andy@andycabs.com>

I share administration/moderation on a Mailman list.

Looking for advice on unwelcome attachments and emicons, flower backgrounds,
jumping little men showing their bottoms in the emails to the list.

I'm not the brightest button on the suit when it comes to Mailman...I am
finding it hard work sometimes. But I would appreciate some advice on this.

I have done the "Content filtering, settings are as follows;

"Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings
below? " set to "yes"

"Remove message attachments that have a matching content type." left blank

"Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. Leave
this field blank to skip this filter test". Left blank

"Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion
happens after MIME attachments have been stripped"; has been set to "yes"

Still the attachments and little men's bottoms are coming through to the
list...Help! :O)

Andy Irons

andy at andycabs.com







From cae at bklyn.org  Fri Mar 12 14:23:32 2004
From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:23:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment removal
In-Reply-To: <NHBBKHAKKNKFFKFCIBNCAEBKEDAA.andy@andycabs.com>
References: <20040312081425.22773@smtp17.odn.ne.jp>
	<NHBBKHAKKNKFFKFCIBNCAEBKEDAA.andy@andycabs.com>
Message-ID: <20040312132332.GB526@bklyn.org>

On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:44:53PM -0000, andy wrote:

> I share administration/moderation on a Mailman list. [...]
> 
> "Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. Leave
> this field blank to skip this filter test". Left blank

	Thats where you went wrong I think.  I have attachment
	stripping working quite well, and I have this set to:

	multipart/mixed
	multipart/alternative
	text/plain

	I also have:

	filter_content = blank
	filter_mime_types = blank
	convert_html_to_plaintext = yes
	filter_action = discard

-- 
Caleb Epstein |  bklyn . org  | While it may be true that a watched pot never
    cae at    | Brooklyn Dust | boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can
bklyn dot org |   Bunny Mfg.  | make an awful mess of your stove.
              |               | 		-- Edward Stevenson



From andy at andycabs.com  Fri Mar 12 15:42:29 2004
From: andy at andycabs.com (andy)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:42:29 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment removal
In-Reply-To: <20040312132332.GB526@bklyn.org>
Message-ID: <NHBBKHAKKNKFFKFCIBNCAECAEDAA.andy@andycabs.com>

Many thanks my friend, application of your advice seems to be working...got
me feeling quiet clever too! :O)

Best wishes

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: Caleb Epstein [mailto:cae at bklyn.org]
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 01:24
To: andy
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachment removal


On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:44:53PM -0000, andy wrote:

> I share administration/moderation on a Mailman list. [...]
>
> "Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. Leave
> this field blank to skip this filter test". Left blank

	Thats where you went wrong I think.  I have attachment
	stripping working quite well, and I have this set to:

	multipart/mixed
	multipart/alternative
	text/plain

	I also have:

	filter_content = blank
	filter_mime_types = blank
	convert_html_to_plaintext = yes
	filter_action = discard

--
Caleb Epstein |  bklyn . org  | While it may be true that a watched pot
never
    cae at    | Brooklyn Dust | boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can
bklyn dot org |   Bunny Mfg.  | make an awful mess of your stove.
              |               | 		-- Edward Stevenson




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Fri Mar 12 19:02:55 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:02:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Host question
Message-ID: <4051FB4F.4000506@state.or.us>

I want to change the web url and sending address for my lists.


In Defaults.py, currently, I have the following:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomain.wherever.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mydomain.wherever.com'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'


I want to add a virtual host, so I added this to mm_cfg.py:


DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomain.wherever.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mydomain.wherever.com'
add_virtualhost ('virtualdomain.wherever.com')
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'


So, now I can send a message to listname at virtualdomain.com and it is 
delivered successfully. However, if I go to 
http://virtualdomain.wherever.com/mailman/admin, there are no lists. 
Also, at the bottom of the test message, the new virtual host was listed 
in the footer, but the web url still reflected the default host.

So, I guess I have a couple of questions.

1. Did I add the virtual host correctly?

2. How can I change all lists in batch so that all the URLS reflect the 
virtual host address, but users who have bookmarked the default host url 
can still access web pages and lists by sending to the default email host?

3. I have read about the withlist fix_url.py script and that seems like 
it is issued for individual lists. Am I correct?


So, as you can see, I need some clarification about how to do this. I 
have read the FAQ and mailing list archive and now I need some advice.



-- 
Christopher Adams







From raywood at magma.ca  Fri Mar 12 19:05:35 2004
From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:05:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman upgrade on Debian stable: 2.0.11 -> 2.1.4
Message-ID: <20040312180535.GI4556@magma.ca>

Hello all,

I need to upgrade Mailman and am currently running version
2.0.11 on Debian woody/stable.  I have located a 'backported'
debian package (i.e. a 'deb' of a recent version of Mailman that
has been backported to the Debian stable tree) on backports.org
that is the current version 2.1.4.

Some time ago I did some research on upgrading Mailman to 2.1.x
and noticed that there seemed to be some 'gotchas', so I decided
to hold off for awhile.

My question:  is there anyone on this list running Debian who:
1.  Has done the same (or similar) upgrade as I am proposing
    above, who used the deb package from backports.org?  If so,
    how did it go - were there any unforeseen complications with
    the upgrade?
2.  Have done an upgrade from Mailman 2.0.x -> 2.1.x, using any
    method, who would be willing to advise me how 'seamless' the
    upgrade went?

Thanks in advance for your help,
Raymond
-- 
"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the
homeless, whether the mad destruction is brought under the name
of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?"
(Gandhi)



From aalonso at uncoma.edu.ar  Fri Mar 12 19:09:02 2004
From: aalonso at uncoma.edu.ar (Ana Carolina Alonso de =?iso-8859-1?Q?Armi=F1o?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:09:02 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named japanese
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040312145519.00a1dd30@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>

Hello,

	I have a problem using mailman: I have a mail server (sendmail) where I 
hade installed mailman 2.1.4. There is installed Python 2.2.2. and 
Python-devel. I have a list and when I run the command list_list it work 
very well.
	I have another server, my web server running apache, there is installed 
Python 2.0 and Python-devel. I hade mounted the mailman directory into my 
web server using NFS. When I run a command, like list_list, it give the error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "./bin/list_lists", line 44, in ?
     import paths
   File "./bin/paths.py", line 55, in ?
     import japanese
ImportError: No module named japanese

	I don`t understand where is the problem. Any idea?

Ana





From anner at blast.com  Fri Mar 12 20:32:00 2004
From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:32:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing MM variables
Message-ID: <EF0FAA29-745B-11D8-9A06-000A959E1C16@blast.com>



It appears that my predecessor in this position set up a list with a 
different MM-Posting-Addr from what it should be.  Is there any way for 
me to change this?

Anne Ramey




From gustavopeters at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 12 21:11:56 2004
From: gustavopeters at hotmail.com (Gustavo Peters)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:11:56 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with the "owner"
Message-ID: <BAY8-DAV43s9ZHPdTfD00023958@hotmail.com>

HI, 

I`m new in using Mailman and I`ve got a problem i can`t solve.

I installed the Mailman 2.1.2 version under the owner "root".

Then when I turned mi server into a secure SSL server, I had to change from owner "root" to "mailman".

All is OK, but when a message is sent, it is saved as "root", which brings some problems.

Could someone inform me on how to make messages be saved as "mailman" owner without altering the sendmail?.

Thanks in advance
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From gustavopeters at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 13 16:30:49 2004
From: gustavopeters at hotmail.com (Gustavo Peters)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:30:49 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives
Message-ID: <BAY8-DAV51Io1x294B00002485f@hotmail.com>


Hi,
can anyone tell me which is the tag (  <MM-????????> ) to include in the html template in order to get the "searchable archives"   

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From china at mlbox.com  Sat Mar 13 16:37:14 2004
From: china at mlbox.com (China)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:37:14 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to place footer on a table and center it?
Message-ID: <BC794BAA.7F2D%china@mlbox.com>

I have added a table with a width=600 to the templates but the footer does
not fall in. Where can I add a table and center it for the footer?

Example, I want to center the following footer on the templates:
?Mailman-Users list run by barry at wooz.org, chuqui at plaidworks.com,
mailman-admin at vo.cnchost.com
Mailman-Users administrative interface (requires authorization)
Overview of all python.org mailing lists?

Thanks,
Manny
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From david at gof.se  Sat Mar 13 18:07:00 2004
From: david at gof.se (David)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 18:07:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and aliases
Message-ID: <1079197619.2760.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Dear gurus,

I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 and Postfix 2.0.14 
I don't use the Mailman-Postfix integration to auto generate aliases
yet. The question is how I can do that with my configuration.

The thing is that I pipe my list e-mail thru two different perl scripts
before Mailman gets into the action.

It looks like this in my Postfix aliases file:
test: "|/usr/local/mail2url/m2u324.pl|/usr/bin/2822htrim.pl [Test]
|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test"

It works perfect, but I want my users to setup their own lists without
shell access and I really want to add the perl scripts to new lists. The
question is how to auto generate new aliases with my scripts?

 Blue Skies,
 /David





From pareilly at tcd.ie  Sat Mar 13 20:45:55 2004
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (pareilly at tcd.ie)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:45:55 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains and list namespace
In-Reply-To: <EF0FAA29-745B-11D8-9A06-000A959E1C16@blast.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0403131938420.209188-100000@web2.tcd.ie>


Can someone confirm that when using Mailman (2.1.4)
in a multi domain environment, that two lists cannot have the
same name?

Even with the new virtual domain options, it doesn't appear
you can have a per-domain namespace. You can't have two lists
called talk at domain1 and talk at domain2....

Please tell me I am wrong.

Paul




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar 13 21:04:19 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 13 Mar 2004 15:04:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and aliases
In-Reply-To: <1079197619.2760.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1079197619.2760.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1079208258.4692.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2004-03-13 at 12:07, David wrote:
> Dear gurus,
> 
> I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 and Postfix 2.0.14 
> I don't use the Mailman-Postfix integration to auto generate aliases
> yet. The question is how I can do that with my configuration.
> 
> The thing is that I pipe my list e-mail thru two different perl scripts
> before Mailman gets into the action.
> 
> It looks like this in my Postfix aliases file:
> test: "|/usr/local/mail2url/m2u324.pl|/usr/bin/2822htrim.pl [Test]
> |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test"
> 
> It works perfect, but I want my users to setup their own lists without
> shell access and I really want to add the perl scripts to new lists. The
> question is how to auto generate new aliases with my scripts?
> 
>  Blue Skies,
>  /David

David,

This is actually a no-brainer:

 - Setup the integration to the point where Mailman generates the alises
in the file ~mailman/data/aliases. 
   Don't add this file to your Postfix aliases map. 

 - Run a cronjob or daemon that monitors the ~mailman/data/aliases file
for a change and then take that diff  - isolate the new list name

 - Have your Mailman alias checking program pump the new list into your
aliases file with all your alias mods.

If you are into hacking Mailman (and you should be!) you can simply add
an exec to the end of the Mailman process that updates the Mailman
aliases file - and forget about setting that off via cron (or a small
daemon). At that point you can also simply pass in the name of the new
list as a parameter to the exec and bypass the Mailman aliases file
altogether.

Good luck and happy hacking!

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar 13 21:09:12 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 13 Mar 2004 15:09:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains and list namespace
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0403131938420.209188-100000@web2.tcd.ie>
References: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0403131938420.209188-100000@web2.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <1079208552.4692.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2004-03-13 at 14:45, pareilly at tcd.ie wrote:
> Can someone confirm that when using Mailman (2.1.4)
> in a multi domain environment, that two lists cannot have the
> same name?
> 
> Even with the new virtual domain options, it doesn't appear
> you can have a per-domain namespace. You can't have two lists
> called talk at domain1 and talk at domain2....
> 
> Please tell me I am wrong.
> 
> Paul

Correct.  This is going to be a feature of Version 3.0 and is part of
the driving force behind getting it out the door asap (so version 2.1.x
is currently in maintenance mode).

You can however, have a separate install of Mailman for each domain (all
on one server).  These can have same name lists for different domains -
as each domain will be handled by a separate instance of Mailman.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From pareilly at tcd.ie  Sun Mar 14 01:22:43 2004
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (pareilly at tcd.ie)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 00:22:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests: Can you set the From ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0403131938420.209188-100000@web2.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0403140016570.209188-100000@web2.tcd.ie>


I'm testing out DIGEST subscriptions.
Is it possible to change the email formats, specifically:

a) they appear to come from?    talk-request at mydmomain.com
   I'd like to include a descriptive text for the FROM field.
   eg:
   '"Talk Mailing List" <talk-request at mydomain.com>'

b) the subject line?
   eg:  talk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 1

  I had a look at the code in senddigests but it's not there.
  I'd like to customise these

Paul




From andym at oak.njit.edu  Thu Mar 11 16:01:59 2004
From: andym at oak.njit.edu (Andy Malato)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:01:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error for Administrative Page
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0403110957250.16933@mars.njit.edu>

Hi,


I have a working mailman installation and everything has pretty much
worked as it should.  The other day I noticed that when trying to login
to the administration page of one particular list I get an Internal
Server Error.  This is not the case with my other lists, all other lists
work without a problem.  I tried running check_db and list_members -i on
this list, but those tests came up clean.  Does anyone have any
suggestions or ideas as to what could be causing the admin page of this
list not to work?


Thanks,



	---Andy



From anner at blast.com  Thu Mar 11 16:58:01 2004
From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:58:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing MM variables
Message-ID: <DF8F4C63-7374-11D8-8C2A-000A959E1C16@blast.com>

It appears that my predecessor in this position set up a list with a 
different MM-Posting-Addr from what it should be.  Is there any way for 
me to change this?

Anne Ramey




From tril at tunes.org  Sun Mar 14 06:03:53 2004
From: tril at tunes.org (Tril)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:03:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade, problem with archives on vhost.
In-Reply-To: <003201c402f4$526987a0$0200a8c0@hogranch.com>
References: <003201c402f4$526987a0$0200a8c0@hogranch.com>
Message-ID: <20040314050353.GA544@bespin.org>

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On Sun, Mar 14, 2004 at 02:28:27AM +0000, John R Pierce wrote:
> Hey.  I just upgraded my 2.0.x(3?) to 2.1.4, and after some struggle to get 
> it all working again, everything is flying, *except*...
> 
> The lists that are on my 'native' domain are working great, but the ones on 
> my alternate virtual hostnames aren't linking to the archives properly.
> 
> for instance,  on http://www.hogranch.com/mailman/listinfo/strawberry   the 
> archive link goes to http://www.hogranch.com/mailman/private/strawberry/ as 
> it should...
> 
> But, on http://troop604.org/mailman/listinfo/families  the archives link is
> http://troop604.org/pipermail/
> 
> which is obviously wrong.   AH, it seems if I set the archives to PRIVATE, 
> the link works (.../mailman/private/<listname>), but if its set to 'PUBLIC', 
> it comes up wrong.
> 
> any clues? 

Looks like a bug in 2.1.4.
I made the following change to HTMLFormatter.py in the Mailman directory
which works for me.

- --- HTMLFormatter.py    Mon Sep 29 08:01:22 2003
+++ HTMLFormatter.py.new        Sat Mar 13 20:58:13 2004
@@ -326,7 +326,7 @@
         return ('<FORM Method=POST ACTION="%s">' % full_url)

     def FormatArchiveAnchor(self):
- -        return '<a href="%s">' % self.GetBaseArchiveURL()
+        return '<a href="%s">' % (self.GetBaseArchiveURL() + self.internal_name() + '/')

     def FormatFormEnd(self):
         return '</FORM>'


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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Mar 15 07:14:21 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 15 Mar 2004 01:14:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error for Administrative Page
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0403110957250.16933@mars.njit.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0403110957250.16933@mars.njit.edu>
Message-ID: <1079331261.4317.107.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 10:01, Andy Malato wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I have a working mailman installation and everything has pretty much
> worked as it should.  The other day I noticed that when trying to login
> to the administration page of one particular list I get an Internal
> Server Error.  This is not the case with my other lists, all other lists
> work without a problem.  I tried running check_db and list_members -i on
> this list, but those tests came up clean.  

Nice!

> Does anyone have any
> suggestions or ideas as to what could be causing the admin page of this
> list not to work?

Does the error have any detail in it?  Do the Mailman logs reveal any
details?  Have you run check_perms on the install?

Good luck - Jon Carnes




From leigh.silvester at breathemail.net  Mon Mar 15 11:02:01 2004
From: leigh.silvester at breathemail.net (Leigh Silvester)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:02:01 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list management via email
Message-ID: <E1B2our-0001dE-00@mozart.is.nottingham.ac.uk>

Okay I have spent about 5 hours going through archives but not found anything that addresses my scenario.

In a nutshell I wish to be able to manage the membership of a list via emails sent by a PHP script, emails to a list admin which would probably include admin password to authorise the action to automate administration.

Background.
The lists are to be closed ones that are distribution lists for various societies/organisations.
Have previously done this with ColdFusion/Lyris, where the Coldfusion scripts send an email containing a password and "subscribe listname joe.bloggs at bloggs.com joe bloggs [quiet]" to a lyris list admin address that automatically adds that address to the relevant list.
Similarly a passworded message containing "unsubscribe listname joe.bloggs at bloggs.com [quiet]" would remove that address.

The intention is to update details on the list as users update their details on a database conatining information in addition to their email address. This means users have a single point of maintaining their details while the owners of these lists gain the advantage of suing the efficiecny of using a mail list for mass emailing, rather than doing PHP mail which can put a bit of a strain on the server when sending tens of thousands of emails.

Is such a thing possible with Mailman?

I have done a few experiments sending emails with "subscribe" to a small closed list I manage but it hits the "posting by a non-member" issue.
Obviously I could send it with the listmanager email address but then it would try to subscribe the listmanager - which is already subscribed...

Ideally I am hoping to be flamed with "... it's all here [link] in black and white if you bother to look for it".

This will be on a hosted server to which I will not have shell access.

Regards

Leigh

==========
convolution - because you're worth it!
==========




From nikos at qbit.gr  Mon Mar 15 14:04:09 2004
From: nikos at qbit.gr (nikos)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:04:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] test mail
Message-ID: <000f01c40a8e$01ab3dd0$0400a8c0@nikos>

test mail please ignore




From nikos at qbit.gr  Mon Mar 15 14:21:28 2004
From: nikos at qbit.gr (nikos)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:21:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [mailman users] test mail
Message-ID: <001901c40a90$878698d0$0400a8c0@nikos>

test mail please ignore


Qbit
?????? ????? - Gatsis Nikos
Web developer
tel.: 2108256721 - 2108256722
fax: 2108256712
email: nikos at qbit.gr
http://www.qbit.gr





From Jason.Price at thomson.com  Mon Mar 15 15:15:51 2004
From: Jason.Price at thomson.com (Price, Jason)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:15:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests: Can you set the From ?
Message-ID: <BA5552BC92B87843A43C4D3E0F6BF7940379039E@eg-msgmbx-a11.int.westgroup.com>

I've been searching for a way to alter the "From:" and "To:" display
addresses as well, but have not had any luck.  If this is not possible, I'd
definitely view that as a semi-important oversight, and would love to see
that functionality in a future release.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of pareilly at tcd.ie
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 6:23 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests: Can you set the From ?



I'm testing out DIGEST subscriptions.
Is it possible to change the email formats, specifically:

a) they appear to come from?    talk-request at mydmomain.com
   I'd like to include a descriptive text for the FROM field.
   eg:
   '"Talk Mailing List" <talk-request at mydomain.com>'

b) the subject line?
   eg:  talk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 1

  I had a look at the code in senddigests but it's not there.
  I'd like to customise these

Paul


------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/



From miner at lis.fsu.edu  Mon Mar 15 16:12:27 2004
From: miner at lis.fsu.edu (David Miner)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:12:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not moving fro mail directory to qfiles
	directory
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20040315100615.03e7d830@mailer.fsu.edu>

I am running version 2.1.4 of Mailman.
It was installed from the FreeBSD port.
I am running FreeBSD 4.9
My MTA is sendmail.

I have installed and configured Mailman 2.1.4.  I have created a list and 
entered the information in /etc/aliases and run newaliases.

My /var/log/maillog show incoming mail being passed to Mailman.

The messages are passed through the system until they reach the 
/usr/local/mailman/mail directory, then they stop.

bin/check_perms says no problems.

Qrunners and mailmanactl are running and show up in ps -aux.

I have followed all of the steps in FAQ 3.14 Troubleshooting: No mail going 
out to lists members.

A search of the mailman archives (because of the way I thin about the 
problem) either resulted in nothing or too much to search through.

I scanned the archives month by month back to December 2003 and found nothing.

Suggestions?

TIA,

David

David R. Miner                                          Voice:  (850) 644-8107
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From edu at cemib.unicamp.br  Mon Mar 15 17:26:04 2004
From: edu at cemib.unicamp.br (Eduardo Ferreira de Carvalho)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:26:04 -0300 (BRT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives missing
Message-ID: <3434.143.106.144.21.1079367964.squirrel@www.cemib.unicamp.br>

Hello list,

  Currently is using the last version of Mailman, but I do not know what
it occurs that the archives of the list of the month of February/2004 do
not appear.  I used the command "arch" and appeared the month of March. 
Mine mailman is configured to appear to file monthly.  It will be that I
will have that to use this command all month or exists another skill to
decide this problem?

  I wait and thanks

Eduardo Ferreira de Carvalho
----------------------------
WebMaster e Suporte T?cnico
Departamento de Inform?tica - CEMIB
http://www.cemib.unicamp.br



From arthur at abible.com  Mon Mar 15 19:53:32 2004
From: arthur at abible.com (Arthur Gibbs)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:53:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus sent to lists "from" my domain - add password
	for moderated users
Message-ID: <00e501c40abe$d0cb1290$6401a8c0@desktop>

Using Mailman 2.1.3, we have had problems with virus-generated messages with
spoofed senders getting through to a one-way list.

The only 'solution' I have found is to to disallow any non-moderated users
or administrators. This forces all messages, even from list admins, to be
moderated.

Under Privacy options: [Recipient filters], we set "Ceiling on acceptable
number of recipients for a posting" to 1.

And also turned on 'Emergency moderation of all list traffic is enabled' in
General Options.

However this is not ideal.  Back in the dark ages I used Majodomo.  As
primtive as that program was, these virus messages would not be getting
through.  Reason?  The moderated users had to include a password with each
post.  Could that password type feature be added?

A virus might forge the 'form' and the envelope.  But it is aweful hard to
forge a good password that also matches that from.

Any thoughts?





From pdurrer at durasoft.com  Mon Mar 15 23:54:23 2004
From: pdurrer at durasoft.com (Preston Durrer)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:54:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing "Options" HTML
Message-ID: <001001c40ae0$77b41860$6400a8c0@hoss>

So far, I've successfully customized the following Mailman HTML files for my lists:

- listinfo.html
- options.html
- subscribe.html

My problem is there seems to be two different sets of HTML sent when the ".../mailman/options/<listname>" URL is run.  The first one is that which prompts the user for their login/password.  The second is the one which presents the user with their options once they've logged in.  I've been able to customize the latter by modifying options.html.  However, I cannot locate the HTML for the first options screen that asked for the user's credentials.  Where is this thing?

Thanks,
Preston 
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From mlaver at ucsd.edu  Tue Mar 16 00:10:10 2004
From: mlaver at ucsd.edu (Mick Laver)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:10:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public dir symlink wrong with new source
Message-ID: <p06020401bc7be847f125@[132.239.123.86]>

I've been running mailman 2.0.x for several years on RedHat systems. 
My first installation was from source so everything went into 
/usr/local/mailman. For security and maintenance issues I've decided 
to stay in step with Red Hat Network RPM updates, which requires that 
I move the mailman install to /var/mailman. I moved the hierachy to 
/var/mailman, created the symlink /usr/local/mailman -> /var/mailman, 
and everything's been fine. Last week I installed the Redhat mailman 
RPM (2.0.13 - this is on an Enterprise 2.1 system) and the updated 
source was properly installed. Now I should be able to delete the 
symlink kludge because everything's pointing to the /var/mailman 
root, right? Well, right for everything except the archives. All the 
public-private symlinks for the pre-RPM point to 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/oldlistname, and all the post-RPM 
symlinks point (correctly) to 
/var/mailman/archives/private/newlistname. If I switch an old list 
from public to private to public, the new symlink is still pointing 
to the old /usr/local/mailman/archives hierarchy.

I've verified the paths in Defaults.py are set to /var/mailman and 
that this file is being read correctly, but for the life of me I 
can't figure out where a list keeps its sense of where its archives 
should live. Can anyone set me in the right direction? Thanks.

----------
Mick Laver
Director's Office, Scripps Institution of Oceanography
U.C. San Diego, La Jolla, CA. 92093-0210
P: 858.534.2040  F: 858.534.5739
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Mick Laver                                  	mlaver at ucsd.edu
Scripps Institution of Oceanography             Tel:858.534.2040
UC San Diego, La Jolla, CA. 92093-0210          Fax:858.534.5739




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 16 01:56:21 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 15 Mar 2004 19:56:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list management via email
In-Reply-To: <E1B2our-0001dE-00@mozart.is.nottingham.ac.uk>
References: <E1B2our-0001dE-00@mozart.is.nottingham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1079398581.4549.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 05:02, Leigh Silvester wrote:
> Okay I have spent about 5 hours going through archives but not found anything that addresses my scenario.
> 
> In a nutshell I wish to be able to manage the membership of a list via emails sent by a PHP script, emails to a list admin which would probably include admin password to authorise the action to automate administration.
> 
> Background.
> The lists are to be closed ones that are distribution lists for various societies/organisations.
> Have previously done this with ColdFusion/Lyris, where the Coldfusion scripts send an email containing a password and "subscribe listname joe.bloggs at bloggs.com joe bloggs [quiet]" to a lyris list admin address that automatically adds that address to the relevant list.
> Similarly a passworded message containing "unsubscribe listname joe.bloggs at bloggs.com [quiet]" would remove that address.
> 
> The intention is to update details on the list as users update their details on a database conatining information in addition to their email address. This means users have a single point of maintaining their details while the owners of these lists gain the advantage of suing the efficiecny of using a mail list for mass emailing, rather than doing PHP mail which can put a bit of a strain on the server when sending tens of thousands of emails.
> 
> Is such a thing possible with Mailman?
> 
> I have done a few experiments sending emails with "subscribe" to a small closed list I manage but it hits the "posting by a non-member" issue.
> Obviously I could send it with the listmanager email address but then it would try to subscribe the listmanager - which is already subscribed...
> 
> Ideally I am hoping to be flamed with "... it's all here [link] in black and white if you bother to look for it".
> 
> This will be on a hosted server to which I will not have shell access.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Leigh

If you look *way* back in the archives you'll see a discussion from 3+
years back where I setup a client to be able to be able to do command
line activities via special email addresses to a mailman list.
Afterwards I coached someone else in a successful effort to do the same.
The special addresses (like listname-quiet_remove at domain.com) did a
specified Admin task for a list. Each email had to start with a text
line that included a special enabling password - something like:
  password: ubergeek

That was followed by a list of email addresses to be removed from the
list.

The script sent back a confirmation email indicating which users had
been removed and which were not (and the reason they were not - such as,
"email address not found on list".

These small command-lets are very easy to write.

Of course these days, I would simply hack the Python code and add the
desired functionality.  Mailman's code is fairly easy to follow and it's
all cut and paste. You might look at it as a good way to learn Python!

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 16 02:09:57 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 15 Mar 2004 20:09:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not moving fro mail directory to
	qfiles directory
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20040315100615.03e7d830@mailer.fsu.edu>
References: <5.1.1.5.2.20040315100615.03e7d830@mailer.fsu.edu>
Message-ID: <1079399397.4549.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 10:12, David Miner wrote:
> I am running version 2.1.4 of Mailman.
> It was installed from the FreeBSD port.
> I am running FreeBSD 4.9
> My MTA is sendmail.
> 
> I have installed and configured Mailman 2.1.4.  I have created a list and 
> entered the information in /etc/aliases and run newaliases.
> 
> My /var/log/maillog show incoming mail being passed to Mailman.
> 
> The messages are passed through the system until they reach the 
> /usr/local/mailman/mail directory, then they stop.
> 
> bin/check_perms says no problems.
> 
> Qrunners and mailmanactl are running and show up in ps -aux.
> 
> I have followed all of the steps in FAQ 3.14 Troubleshooting: No mail going 
> out to lists members.
> 
> A search of the mailman archives (because of the way I thin about the 
> problem) either resulted in nothing or too much to search through.
> 
> I scanned the archives month by month back to December 2003 and found nothing.
> 
> Suggestions?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> David

David, have you created any lists successfully (and gotten notification
of their creations)? Did you create the "mailman" list?

So... you've successfully created the mailman list and a test list. You
send to the test list and the MTA (Sendmail) runs the Mailman app
associated with that alias - so the message is now waiting in one of
your ~mailman/qfiles/..  directory's.
  cd ~mailman/qfiles/
  ls *

Can you tell us if there are files there, and which directories they are
in?

If there are no files in the qfiles directory, then either they are
getting processed by the qrunners (so there should be MTA records of the
outgoing mail) or they are not getting to the qfiles directory - so the
mailman post app is not working for the list.

Jon Carnes
 




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 16 02:14:18 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 15 Mar 2004 20:14:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives missing
In-Reply-To: <3434.143.106.144.21.1079367964.squirrel@www.cemib.unicamp.br>
References: <3434.143.106.144.21.1079367964.squirrel@www.cemib.unicamp.br>
Message-ID: <1079399658.4549.30.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 11:26, Eduardo Ferreira de Carvalho wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
>   Currently is using the last version of Mailman, but I do not know what
> it occurs that the archives of the list of the month of February/2004 do
> not appear.  I used the command "arch" and appeared the month of March. 
> Mine mailman is configured to appear to file monthly.  It will be that I
> will have that to use this command all month or exists another skill to
> decide this problem?
> 
>   I wait and thanks
> 
> Eduardo Ferreira de Carvalho
> ----------------------------
> WebMaster e Suporte T?cnico
> Departamento de Inform?tica - CEMIB
> http://www.cemib.unicamp.br
> 
Check the mbox file for the list and see if there are any mails from
February to the list.

The mbox file is located in:
  ~mailman/archives/private/<listname>.mbox/<listname>.mbox

If that file has some February mail (as shown by the Date: field in the
mail headers of the mail stored in that huge file) then you might have a
corrupted mbox file - or too large to be processed with your current
system resources.

Wishing you well - Jon Carnes




From ste at smxy.org  Tue Mar 16 04:36:28 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:36:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One installation, many appearances?
Message-ID: <4056763C.30902@smxy.org>

I have a FreeBSD server on which I host email and web sites for a number 
of virtual domains, via postfix and apache. Several of the domains would 
like to have mailman mailing lists, as well. Can each domain have what 
appears to be it's own dedicated mailman instance, but with only one 
actual install of mailman on the server? I.e., they go to 
www.theirweb.site/mailman and see only their lists, and another domain's 
users go to www.theirother.site/mailman and see only their lists, and so on?

Additionally, postfix stores and retrieves all its information for my 
email domains in a mysql database. Can mailman interface with that?

	-ste
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From jdeveloper at mosesgroup.de  Tue Mar 16 09:01:04 2004
From: jdeveloper at mosesgroup.de (jdeveloper at mosesgroup.de)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:01:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] webserver integration problem with ownership
Message-ID: <200403160801.i2G814Q06074@mailgate5.cinetic.de>

Hi there,
 i setup a mailman-site and it seems to run quite smoothly.
BUT: the integration with my webserver seems to be faulty.
whenever i use the administrative web frontend, the owner
of the list *.pck files is changed to the user 'apache' (the one
my web server runs with). this leads to the cron-job gate_news
failing and complaining :

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 284, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 264, in main
    process_lists(lock)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 199, in process_lists
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 594, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(file)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 560, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck'

and so i end up receiving a huge number of errors until i reset the owner-ship !
i tried using check_perms to fix this but check_perms indicates no problem at all.

Any help ?? Thanks in advance!
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From t.howat at linst.ac.uk  Tue Mar 16 11:30:30 2004
From: t.howat at linst.ac.uk (Tony Howat)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:30:30 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive browsing
Message-ID: <4056D746.1030102@linst.ac.uk>

Hi There,

We've been using mailman here for some time, however it's becoming 
increasingly apparent that the in-built archive browsing is insufficient 
for our needs.

What we need is a searchable threaded display per list of each entire 
archive.

Has anyone implemented such a thing? We'd clearly like to stick with 
mailman as the rest of the solution works well.

Suggestions would be appreciated.

-- 
Tony Howat
UNIX Network Administrator
The London Institute




From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Mar 16 12:18:42 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:18:42 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive browsing
In-Reply-To: <4056D746.1030102@linst.ac.uk>
References: <4056D746.1030102@linst.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <AEA9475C-773B-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>

On 16 Mar 2004, at 10:30, Tony Howat wrote:

> Hi There,
>
> We've been using mailman here for some time, however it's becoming 
> increasingly apparent that the in-built archive browsing is 
> insufficient for our needs.
>
> What we need is a searchable threaded display per list of each entire 
> archive.
>
> Has anyone implemented such a thing? We'd clearly like to stick with 
> mailman as the rest of the solution works well.
>
> Suggestions would be appreciated.
>

Pending greater things from MM3, you may find the results you get from 
using these two MM patches, which provide archive search using Htdig 
and HTML archive page generation using a combination of pipermail and 
MHonArc, go some way to meeting your requirements and they are 
reasonably simple to deploy:

http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/444884/index.html

http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/mhonarc/index.html

> -- 
> Tony Howat
> UNIX Network Administrator
> The London Institute
>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From leigh.silvester at breathemail.net  Tue Mar 16 12:20:29 2004
From: leigh.silvester at breathemail.net (Leigh Silvester)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:20:29 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list management via email
In-Reply-To: <1079398581.4549.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <E1B2our-0001dE-00@mozart.is.nottingham.ac.uk>
	<1079398581.4549.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4056E2FD.6050306@breathemail.net>


>If you look *way* back in the archives you'll see a discussion from 3+
>years back where I setup a client to be able to be able to do command
>line activities via special email addresses to a mailman list.
>Afterwards I coached someone else in a successful effort to do the same.
>The special addresses (like listname-quiet_remove at domain.com) did a
>specified Admin task for a list. Each email had to start with a text
>line that included a special enabling password - something like:
>  password: ubergeek
>
>That was followed by a list of email addresses to be removed from the
>list.
>
>The script sent back a confirmation email indicating which users had
>been removed and which were not (and the reason they were not - such as,
>"email address not found on list".
>
>These small command-lets are very easy to write.
>
>Of course these days, I would simply hack the Python code and add the
>desired functionality.  Mailman's code is fairly easy to follow and it's
>all cut and paste. You might look at it as a good way to learn Python!
>  
>
Do you happen to have a link for this or know the title?

While these sound like some good strategy suggesions, unfortuantely they 
way that this is installed on
my hosting I don't have access to the scripts (I think they are on a 
separate server) and I do not have
shell access.
I was hoping to come across some builtin Mailman functionality. This is 
important as it is going to be
a component of a system I am developing for someone that I may try to 
make more widely available
and that would only work if it takes advantage of standard installation 
and functionality.

I have managed to get a subscription request submitted by email using 
the listname-request at ...
address, BUT it waits for approval or confirmation (dependant on 
particular Mailman setting) rather than
being submitted straightaway. So near yet so far!
I am beginning to think that I am going to have to stick to using lyris 
which is a pity,

Regards

Leigh




From arthur at abible.com  Mon Mar 15 19:49:03 2004
From: arthur at abible.com (Arthur Gibbs)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:49:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus sent to lists "from" my domain - add password
	for mods
Message-ID: <00aa01c40abe$300f2760$6401a8c0@desktop>

Using Mailman 2.1.3, we have had problems with virus-generated messages with
spoofed senders getting through to a one-way list.

The only 'solution' I have found is to to disallow any non-moderated users
or administrators. This forces all messages, even from list admins, to be
moderated.

Under Privacy options: [Recipient filters], we set "Ceiling on acceptable
number of recipients for a posting" to 1.

And also turned on 'Emergency moderation of all list traffic is enabled' in
General Options.

However this is not ideal.  Back in the dark ages I used Majodomo.  As
primtive as that program was, these virus messages would not be getting
through.  Reason?  The moderated users had to include a password with each
post.  Could that password type feature be added?

A virus might forge the 'form' and the envelope.  But it is aweful hard to
forge a good password that also matches that from.

Any thoughts?




From suitcase at mich.com  Mon Mar 15 05:59:32 2004
From: suitcase at mich.com (Pat Gundry)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:59:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Management Question
Message-ID: <a05100302bc7ae72bf971@[192.168.0.2]>

I'm new to using Mailman, and have transferred a list of subscribers 
from a majordomo list. I added subscriber addresses without the names 
of subscribers. Everyone seems to be able to post to the list in 
spite of the fact that they often get messages that say their message 
has been discarded because they aren't authorized to post to the list.

I got those messages too the first few days the list was operational 
when I was sending test messages. But, now I don't seem to get them 
anymore, but other subscribes do.

I'm assuming it's either a configuration problem on my part (I've 
looked and looked and can't find anything that works to stop those 
rejection messages.) or on the part of the web host owner.

Hope you can help me with this.

Thanks,
-- 
Pat Gundry
suitcase at mich.com
http://www.patriciagundry.com




From jamie at silverdream.org  Tue Mar 16 16:21:24 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:21:24 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus sent to lists "from" my domain - add
	password for moderated users
In-Reply-To: <00e501c40abe$d0cb1290$6401a8c0@desktop>
References: <00e501c40abe$d0cb1290$6401a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <1079450483.8341.5.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

Hey Arthur,

On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 18:53, Arthur Gibbs wrote:
> Using Mailman 2.1.3, we have had problems with virus-generated messages with
> spoofed senders getting through to a one-way list.

IMHO this is not something Mailman should worry about, it's a problem
for the MTA, either use SPF, DNSSEC, etc.

Under Postfix you can just run two instances, one for inbound mail, one
for outbound mail, the inbound instance doesn't accept mail appearing to
come *from* your domain. Of course this doesn't solve other spoofed
addresses, the answer to this lies in such things as SPF.

You could suggest the idea of passwords for every post to the MM3-dev
list, but other than that I don't think Mailman should have to worry
about spoofed senders, it's not its job.

Just my ??0.02p

-j

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From jamie at silverdream.org  Tue Mar 16 16:42:53 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:42:53 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can we get rid of these nuisance bounces for
	posters
In-Reply-To: <1078610885.4422.98.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1078610885.4422.98.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1079451773.8341.14.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 22:08, Jon Carnes wrote:
> One to two folks are bogusly attempting to feed the list traffic
> (mailman-users at python.org) into their own local site lists. These
> generate multiple bounces for every post to the list.

I contacted the postmaster at both sites, and one of them replied, and
the problem has been solved, but I'm still getting one bounce with every
post from ops.org, from which I didn't get a reply to my request (I
didn't honestly expect any replies at all).

It's getting extremely annoying.

> Can we verp for a bit and nuke these guys (please!)

I'll second that.

-j

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From miner at lis.fsu.edu  Tue Mar 16 17:20:24 2004
From: miner at lis.fsu.edu (David Miner)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:20:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not moving fro mail directory to
	qfiles directory
In-Reply-To: <1079399397.4549.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <5.1.1.5.2.20040315100615.03e7d830@mailer.fsu.edu>
	<5.1.1.5.2.20040315100615.03e7d830@mailer.fsu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20040316111429.03157e30@mailer.fsu.edu>

Jon,

I have created a list and received the notification of it.  I added the 
list to the aliases file and sent messages to it.

maillog show the messages being passed to Mailman.  The messages get as far 
as the mail directory and do not get to the qfiles directories.

At this point there is one file in the mail directory titled "mailman post 
test" and it contains the several messages I have sent to the list.  There 
are no files in any of the qfiles directories.

Additional information:  There is also a "mailman bounces test" and a 
"mailman post fp" file in the mail directory.  There is also a "mailman" 
file there.

According to your comment, the mailman post (and bounces) app is not 
working.  What do I do to fix it?

Thanks,

David

At 08:09 PM 3/15/2004 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:

>On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 10:12, David Miner wrote:
> > I am running version 2.1.4 of Mailman.
> > It was installed from the FreeBSD port.
> > I am running FreeBSD 4.9
> > My MTA is sendmail.
> >
> > I have installed and configured Mailman 2.1.4.  I have created a list and
> > entered the information in /etc/aliases and run newaliases.
> >
> > My /var/log/maillog show incoming mail being passed to Mailman.
> >
> > The messages are passed through the system until they reach the
> > /usr/local/mailman/mail directory, then they stop.
> >
> > bin/check_perms says no problems.
> >
> > Qrunners and mailmanactl are running and show up in ps -aux.
> >
> > I have followed all of the steps in FAQ 3.14 Troubleshooting: No mail 
> going
> > out to lists members.
> >
> > A search of the mailman archives (because of the way I thin about the
> > problem) either resulted in nothing or too much to search through.
> >
> > I scanned the archives month by month back to December 2003 and found 
> nothing.
> >
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > David
>
>David, have you created any lists successfully (and gotten notification
>of their creations)? Did you create the "mailman" list?
>
>So... you've successfully created the mailman list and a test list. You
>send to the test list and the MTA (Sendmail) runs the Mailman app
>associated with that alias - so the message is now waiting in one of
>your ~mailman/qfiles/..  directory's.
>   cd ~mailman/qfiles/
>   ls *
>
>Can you tell us if there are files there, and which directories they are
>in?
>
>If there are no files in the qfiles directory, then either they are
>getting processed by the qrunners (so there should be MTA records of the
>outgoing mail) or they are not getting to the qfiles directory - so the
>mailman post app is not working for the list.
>
>Jon Carnes
>
>
>
>---
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>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
>Version: 6.0.619 / Virus Database: 398 - Release Date: 3/10/2004

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Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.619 / Virus Database: 398 - Release Date: 3/10/2004

From dmassey at korrnet.org  Tue Mar 16 19:18:03 2004
From: dmassey at korrnet.org (David Massey)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:18:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Replying to Archived Messages
Message-ID: <FCEIJEGNNMMDOHFIGEMJOEOCEFAA.dmassey@korrnet.org>

Hello... We are using Mailman 2.08 and need to upgrade
but I have the following question:

Is it possible in 2.08 or in later versions to 
REPLY and REPLY ALL to archived messages so that
the message and subject heading remain intact?

This seems like an important feature -- which I am
told is available in yahoo groups -- to a member who wants
to interact with the list via the archives but not
receive digests or individual messages...

David Massey
KORRnet
P.O. Box 51264
Knoxville TN 37950-1264
dmassey -at- korrnet.org
(865) 215-5999 -- Office
(865) 250-3288 -- Cell








From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 16 19:15:59 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Mar 2004 13:15:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not moving fro mail directory to 
	qfiles directory
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20040316111429.03157e30@mailer.fsu.edu>
References: <5.1.1.5.2.20040315100615.03e7d830@mailer.fsu.edu>
	<5.1.1.5.2.20040315100615.03e7d830@mailer.fsu.edu>
	<5.1.1.5.2.20040316111429.03157e30@mailer.fsu.edu>
Message-ID: <1079460959.3174.26.camel@localhost.localdomain>

The mail should be downloaded straight into the Mailman script which 
moves it straight to the qfiles. The email should never be stored in a
local queue file once the alias for the list is invoked.

This indicates that you have a problem with the aliases (or your systems
interpretation of the aliases).  Please post an sample of your aliases
file.

Jon Carnes
===
On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 11:20, David Miner wrote:
> Jon,
> 
> I have created a list and received the notification of it.  I added the 
> list to the aliases file and sent messages to it.
> 
> maillog show the messages being passed to Mailman.  The messages get as far 
> as the mail directory and do not get to the qfiles directories.
> 
> At this point there is one file in the mail directory titled "mailman post 
> test" and it contains the several messages I have sent to the list.  There 
> are no files in any of the qfiles directories.
> 
> Additional information:  There is also a "mailman bounces test" and a 
> "mailman post fp" file in the mail directory.  There is also a "mailman" 
> file there.
> 
> According to your comment, the mailman post (and bounces) app is not 
> working.  What do I do to fix it?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David
> 
> At 08:09 PM 3/15/2004 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> >On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 10:12, David Miner wrote:
> > > I am running version 2.1.4 of Mailman.
> > > It was installed from the FreeBSD port.
> > > I am running FreeBSD 4.9
> > > My MTA is sendmail.
> > >
> > > I have installed and configured Mailman 2.1.4.  I have created a list and
> > > entered the information in /etc/aliases and run newaliases.
> > >
> > > My /var/log/maillog show incoming mail being passed to Mailman.
> > >
> > > The messages are passed through the system until they reach the
> > > /usr/local/mailman/mail directory, then they stop.
> > >
> > > bin/check_perms says no problems.
> > >
> > > Qrunners and mailmanactl are running and show up in ps -aux.
> > >
> > > I have followed all of the steps in FAQ 3.14 Troubleshooting: No mail 
> > going
> > > out to lists members.
> > >
> > > A search of the mailman archives (because of the way I thin about the
> > > problem) either resulted in nothing or too much to search through.
> > >
> > > I scanned the archives month by month back to December 2003 and found 
> > nothing.
> > >
> > > Suggestions?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > David
> >
> >David, have you created any lists successfully (and gotten notification
> >of their creations)? Did you create the "mailman" list?
> >
> >So... you've successfully created the mailman list and a test list. You
> >send to the test list and the MTA (Sendmail) runs the Mailman app
> >associated with that alias - so the message is now waiting in one of
> >your ~mailman/qfiles/..  directory's.
> >   cd ~mailman/qfiles/
> >   ls *
> >
> >Can you tell us if there are files there, and which directories they are
> >in?
> >
> >If there are no files in the qfiles directory, then either they are
> >getting processed by the qrunners (so there should be MTA records of the
> >outgoing mail) or they are not getting to the qfiles directory - so the
> >mailman post app is not working for the list.
> >
> >Jon Carnes
> >
> >
> >
> >---
> >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> >Version: 6.0.619 / Virus Database: 398 - Release Date: 3/10/2004
> 
> David R. Miner                                          Voice:  (850) 644-8107
> Assistant In Information Practice                Fax:    (850) 644-6253
> Faculty Practitioner in Network Services     E-mail: miner at lis.fsu.edu
> School of Information Studies
> The Florida State University
> Tallahassee, FL 32306-2100
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> 
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.619 / Virus Database: 398 - Release Date: 3/10/2004




From adam.gintis at vanderbilt.edu  Tue Mar 16 22:09:36 2004
From: adam.gintis at vanderbilt.edu (Adam Gintis)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:09:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim errors eaten by Mailman
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040316150141.22c82938@g.mail.vanderbilt.edu>

Hello,

I've got a problem I'm not sure how to attack. After successful delivery of 
a message by Mailman, my Exim mainlog shows:

Error message sent to listname-admin at mydomain.org

Now, because listname-admin is fed back into Mailman, I never get a chance 
to see what that Exim error was. I think its just a couple of the addresses 
on the list that failed, but I'd like to see the message. Any ideas?

I'm using exim 3.35-1woody2 and mailman 2.0.11-1woody8 on Debian 3.0 r1 Woody.

Thanks!

-------------------------------
Adam Gintis
Vanderbilt University




From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Tue Mar 16 23:45:15 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:45:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list management via email
References: <E1B2our-0001dE-00@mozart.is.nottingham.ac.uk>
	<1079398581.4549.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4056E2FD.6050306@breathemail.net>
Message-ID: <alm.20040316234517.17839@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

Leigh Silvester schrieb:

> I was hoping to come across some builtin Mailman functionality. 

AFAIS that functionality is not (yet?) implemented ..

-thh,
also looking for sth. like that




From ste at smxy.org  Wed Mar 17 00:22:01 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:22:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I can't seem to get the urls right
Message-ID: <40578C19.9050709@smxy.org>

I have a new 2.1.4 installation on a freebsd 5.2.1-p1 system. The 
system's name is peter.smxy.org. I created the mailman site-wide mailing 
list. I subscribed myself to it, and when I send mail to it at 
mailman at lists.smxy.org, I receive email from the list. In apache, I have 
a virtual host, defined thusly:

<VirtualHost *>
     ServerAdmin     webmaster at smxy.org
     DocumentRoot    /opt/www/sites/lists.smxy.org
     ServerName      lists.smxy.org
     ErrorLog        /opt/www/logs/lists.smxy.org/error_log
     CustomLog       /opt/www/logs/lists.smxy.org/access_log combined
     ScriptAlias     /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
     ScriptLog       /opt/www/logs/lists.smxy.org/script_log
     Alias           /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
</VirtualHost>

I have not put anything in mm_cfg.py yet, as I haven't been able to 
figure out what to put there. :)

The issue is that the system is generating urls with peter where it 
should say lists. For instance, going to 
http://lists.smxy.org/mailman/admin/mailman takes me (after I log in) to 
the General Options Section page. But if I try to go to any of the other 
configuration pages for the list, say, Passwords, for instance, the 
system wants to go to 
http://peter.smxy.org/mailman/admin/mailman/passwords. If I change peter 
to lists in that url, I get to the passwords page.

How do I get the system to generate the correct urls?

	-ste
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From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Mar 17 00:29:33 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:29:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I can't seem to get the urls right
In-Reply-To: <40578C19.9050709@smxy.org>
References: <40578C19.9050709@smxy.org>
Message-ID: <C7BE2ECB-77A1-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>


On 16 Mar 2004, at 23:22, Shaun T. Erickson wrote:

> I have a new 2.1.4 installation on a freebsd 5.2.1-p1 system. The 
> system's name is peter.smxy.org. I created the mailman site-wide 
> mailing list. I subscribed myself to it, and when I send mail to it at 
> mailman at lists.smxy.org, I receive email from the list. In apache, I 
> have a virtual host, defined thusly:
>
> <VirtualHost *>
>     ServerAdmin     webmaster at smxy.org
>     DocumentRoot    /opt/www/sites/lists.smxy.org
>     ServerName      lists.smxy.org
>     ErrorLog        /opt/www/logs/lists.smxy.org/error_log
>     CustomLog       /opt/www/logs/lists.smxy.org/access_log combined
>     ScriptAlias     /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
>     ScriptLog       /opt/www/logs/lists.smxy.org/script_log
>     Alias           /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
> </VirtualHost>
>
> I have not put anything in mm_cfg.py yet, as I haven't been able to 
> figure out what to put there. :)
>
> The issue is that the system is generating urls with peter where it 
> should say lists. For instance, going to 
> http://lists.smxy.org/mailman/admin/mailman takes me (after I log in) 
> to the General Options Section page. But if I try to go to any of the 
> other configuration pages for the list, say, Passwords, for instance, 
> the system wants to go to 
> http://peter.smxy.org/mailman/admin/mailman/passwords. If I change 
> peter to lists in that url, I get to the passwords page.
>
> How do I get the system to generate the correct urls?
>

This FAQ entry may help:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

> 	-ste




From ste at smxy.org  Wed Mar 17 00:49:04 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:49:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I can't seem to get the urls right
In-Reply-To: <C7BE2ECB-77A1-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
References: <40578C19.9050709@smxy.org>
	<C7BE2ECB-77A1-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <40579270.4060905@smxy.org>

Richard Barrett wrote:

> This FAQ entry may help:
> 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

Based on that faq entry, I added the following to my mm_cfg.py and 
issued a 'mailmanctl restart' (was that required?), but it didn't change 
anything:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.smxy.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.smxy.org'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

I must still be doing something wrong ...

	-ste
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 17 02:29:18 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Mar 2004 20:29:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not moving fro mail directory to 
	qfiles directory
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20040316140337.02388c98@mailer.fsu.edu>
References: <5.1.1.5.2.20040316111429.03157e30@mailer.fsu.edu>
	<5.1.1.5.2.20040315100615.03e7d830@mailer.fsu.edu>
	<5.1.1.5.2.20040315100615.03e7d830@mailer.fsu.edu>
	<5.1.1.5.2.20040316111429.03157e30@mailer.fsu.edu>
	<5.1.1.5.2.20040316140337.02388c98@mailer.fsu.edu>
Message-ID: <1079486957.3174.90.camel@localhost.localdomain>

You are missing the pipe in front of the aliases. Example:
  fp:       "| /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post fp"

The pipe tells the mail server to launch the program
(/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman, and to feed the message into the
program as data.

You'll need to edit all the aliases and add a pipe in front of each
one.  If you create a new list from the command line, you will see that
proper format.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 14:05, David Miner wrote:
> Jon,
> 
> Here are the two lists I have created:
> ## fp mailing list
> 
> fp:                     "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post fp"
> fp-admin:               "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin fp"
> fp-bounces:             "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces fp"
> fp--confirm:            "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm fp"
> fp-join:                "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join fp"
> fp-leave:               "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave fp"
> fp-owner:               "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner fp"
> fp-request:             "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request fp"
> fp-subscribe:           "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe fp"
> fp-unsubscribe:         "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe fp"
> 
> ## test mailing list
> 
> test:                   "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test"
> test-admin:             "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin test"
> test-bounces:           "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test"
> test--confirm:          "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test"
> test-join:              "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join test"
> test-leave:             "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave test"
> test-owner:             "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner test"
> test-request:           "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request pt
> test-subscribe:         "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test"
> test-unsubscribe:               "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman 
> unsubscribe test"
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> David
> 
> At 01:15 PM 3/16/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> >The mail should be downloaded straight into the Mailman script which
> >moves it straight to the qfiles. The email should never be stored in a
> >local queue file once the alias for the list is invoked.
> >
> >This indicates that you have a problem with the aliases (or your systems
> >interpretation of the aliases).  Please post an sample of your aliases
> >file.
> >
> >Jon Carnes
> >===
> >On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 11:20, David Miner wrote:
> > > Jon,
> > >
> > > I have created a list and received the notification of it.  I added the
> > > list to the aliases file and sent messages to it.
> > >
> > > maillog show the messages being passed to Mailman.  The messages get as 
> > far
> > > as the mail directory and do not get to the qfiles directories.
> > >
> > > At this point there is one file in the mail directory titled "mailman post
> > > test" and it contains the several messages I have sent to the list.  There
> > > are no files in any of the qfiles directories.
> > >
> > > Additional information:  There is also a "mailman bounces test" and a
> > > "mailman post fp" file in the mail directory.  There is also a "mailman"
> > > file there.
> > >
> > > According to your comment, the mailman post (and bounces) app is not
> > > working.  What do I do to fix it?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > At 08:09 PM 3/15/2004 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 10:12, David Miner wrote:
> > > > > I am running version 2.1.4 of Mailman.
> > > > > It was installed from the FreeBSD port.
> > > > > I am running FreeBSD 4.9
> > > > > My MTA is sendmail.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have installed and configured Mailman 2.1.4.  I have created a 
> > list and
> > > > > entered the information in /etc/aliases and run newaliases.
> > > > >
> > > > > My /var/log/maillog show incoming mail being passed to Mailman.
> > > > >
> > > > > The messages are passed through the system until they reach the
> > > > > /usr/local/mailman/mail directory, then they stop.
> > > > >
> > > > > bin/check_perms says no problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > Qrunners and mailmanactl are running and show up in ps -aux.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have followed all of the steps in FAQ 3.14 Troubleshooting: No mail
> > > > going
> > > > > out to lists members.
> > > > >
> > > > > A search of the mailman archives (because of the way I thin about the
> > > > > problem) either resulted in nothing or too much to search through.
> > > > >
> > > > > I scanned the archives month by month back to December 2003 and found
> > > > nothing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA,
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > >
> > > >David, have you created any lists successfully (and gotten notification
> > > >of their creations)? Did you create the "mailman" list?
> > > >
> > > >So... you've successfully created the mailman list and a test list. You
> > > >send to the test list and the MTA (Sendmail) runs the Mailman app
> > > >associated with that alias - so the message is now waiting in one of
> > > >your ~mailman/qfiles/..  directory's.
> > > >   cd ~mailman/qfiles/
> > > >   ls *
> > > >
> > > >Can you tell us if there are files there, and which directories they are
> > > >in?
> > > >
> > > >If there are no files in the qfiles directory, then either they are
> > > >getting processed by the qrunners (so there should be MTA records of the
> > > >outgoing mail) or they are not getting to the qfiles directory - so the
> > > >mailman post app is not working for the list.
> > > >
> > > >Jon Carnes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >---
> > > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
> > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > > >Version: 6.0.619 / Virus Database: 398 - Release Date: 3/10/2004
> > >
> > > David R. Miner                                          Voice:  (850) 
> > 644-8107
> > > Assistant In Information Practice                Fax:    (850) 644-6253
> > > Faculty Practitioner in Network Services     E-mail: miner at lis.fsu.edu
> > > School of Information Studies
> > > The Florida State University
> > > Tallahassee, FL 32306-2100
> > >
> > > ______________________________________________________________________
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > > Version: 6.0.619 / Virus Database: 398 - Release Date: 3/10/2004
> >
> >
> >---
> >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> >Version: 6.0.619 / Virus Database: 398 - Release Date: 3/10/2004
> 
> David R. Miner                                          Voice:  (850) 644-8107
> Assistant In Information Practice                Fax:    (850) 644-6253
> Faculty Practitioner in Network Services     E-mail: miner at lis.fsu.edu
> School of Information Studies
> The Florida State University
> Tallahassee, FL 32306-2100
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> 
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.619 / Virus Database: 398 - Release Date: 3/10/2004




From chardlist at chard.net  Wed Mar 17 03:01:05 2004
From: chardlist at chard.net (chardlist at chard.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 02:01:05 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance limitations inquiry
Message-ID: <1079488864.4057b16103795@chard.net>

I run mailman 2.1.4 on FreeBSD unix with sendmail.  I'm running it on a
co-located server in a verio datacenter, so it's internet connection is fast. 
My question is, how can I expect the server to perform if the primary function
of this server is to just run mailman?  I expect to have upwards of 60 lists on
it with approximatly 300-500 posts a day among all lists.  List sizes will
range from 100 to 5000 members.  There will be some announce only lists that
have 20,000 members or so.

The machine is a P4 2.4Ghz with 1GIG of ram.

What I'm trying to pin down is whether or not having lists of this size and
level of posting will choke up the server and necessitate upgrades.  Is my
machine overkill or do I have something to be concerned with?  Any information
from mailman users out there, including some stats on how many lists you may
run on a particular machine and its success would be helpful.

Brendan



From ste at smxy.org  Wed Mar 17 03:22:01 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:22:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I can't seem to get the urls right
In-Reply-To: <40579270.4060905@smxy.org>
References: <40578C19.9050709@smxy.org>	<C7BE2ECB-77A1-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
	<40579270.4060905@smxy.org>
Message-ID: <4057B649.90800@smxy.org>

Shaun T. Erickson wrote:

> Richard Barrett wrote:
> 
>> This FAQ entry may help:
>>
>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp
> 
> 
> Based on that faq entry, I added the following to my mm_cfg.py and 
> issued a 'mailmanctl restart' (was that required?), but it didn't change 
> anything:
> 
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.smxy.org'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.smxy.org'
> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> 
> I must still be doing something wrong ...

I appended "add_virtualhost('gaamc-lists.org', 'gaamc-lists.org')" to 
the above, to handle another virtual domain I needed mailing lists in. 
It works fine. Can anlyone please help me figure out why I can't get it 
to work for "lists.smxy.org"?

	-ste
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 17 03:59:06 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Mar 2004 21:59:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One installation, many appearances?
In-Reply-To: <4056763C.30902@smxy.org>
References: <4056763C.30902@smxy.org>
Message-ID: <1079492346.3174.106.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 22:36, Shaun T. Erickson wrote:
> I have a FreeBSD server on which I host email and web sites for a number 
> of virtual domains, via postfix and apache. Several of the domains would 
> like to have mailman mailing lists, as well. Can each domain have what 
> appears to be it's own dedicated mailman instance, but with only one 
> actual install of mailman on the server? I.e., they go to 
> www.theirweb.site/mailman and see only their lists, and another domain's 
> users go to www.theirother.site/mailman and see only their lists, and so on?
> 
Yes. The caveat is that version 2.1 (the current version) will not allow
two lists with the same name so you cant have:
  test at domain1.com
  test at seconddomain.com

Though you can have:
  test-domain1 at domain1.com
  test-seconddomain at seconddomain.com


> Additionally, postfix stores and retrieves all its information for my 
> email domains in a mysql database. Can mailman interface with that?

Mailman won't do the SQL database (yet), but you can set up the aliases
yourself inside the SQL database. I think that Postfix can also handle
multiple alias maps, so you might be able to simply let Mailman use the
standard text file based aliases file.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 17 04:05:02 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Mar 2004 22:05:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] webserver integration problem with ownership
In-Reply-To: <200403160801.i2G814Q06074@mailgate5.cinetic.de>
References: <200403160801.i2G814Q06074@mailgate5.cinetic.de>
Message-ID: <1079492702.3174.110.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 03:01, jdeveloper at mosesgroup.de wrote:
> Hi there,
>  i setup a mailman-site and it seems to run quite smoothly.
> BUT: the integration with my webserver seems to be faulty.
> whenever i use the administrative web frontend, the owner
> of the list *.pck files is changed to the user 'apache' (the one
> my web server runs with). this leads to the cron-job gate_news
> failing and complaining :
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 284, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 264, in main
>     process_lists(lock)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 199, in process_lists
>     mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 594, in Load
>     dict, e = self.__load(file)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 560, in __load
>     fp = open(dbfile)
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck'
> 
> and so i end up receiving a huge number of errors until i reset the owner-ship !
> i tried using check_perms to fix this but check_perms indicates no problem at all.
> 
> Any help ?? Thanks in advance!
> _______________________________________________________________________


What is the Group ownership for the file?  Is the suGID bit set for the
directory:

drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Mar 16 12:00 .
drwxrwsr-x    6 root     mailman      4096 Dec 22 23:52 ..
-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      3389 Mar 16 09:00 config.pck.last

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From ste at smxy.org  Wed Mar 17 04:06:51 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:06:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One installation, many appearances?
In-Reply-To: <1079492346.3174.106.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4056763C.30902@smxy.org>
	<1079492346.3174.106.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4057C0CB.7090300@smxy.org>

Jon Carnes wrote:

> Mailman won't do the SQL database (yet), but you can set up the aliases
> yourself inside the SQL database. I think that Postfix can also handle
> multiple alias maps, so you might be able to simply let Mailman use the
> standard text file based aliases file.

I took the plunge and installed it today. All is fine, except for one 
item ... please see my other post (posted today), titled "I can't seem 
to get the urls right". I really need to figure that one out.

As for how to handle the aliases, it turns out one doesn't need them at 
all. :) Google for "postfix-to-mailman" - it's quite a handy little 
script. :)

	-ste
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 17 04:14:29 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Mar 2004 22:14:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Replying to Archived Messages
In-Reply-To: <FCEIJEGNNMMDOHFIGEMJOEOCEFAA.dmassey@korrnet.org>
References: <FCEIJEGNNMMDOHFIGEMJOEOCEFAA.dmassey@korrnet.org>
Message-ID: <1079493269.3174.114.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 13:18, David Massey wrote:
> Hello... We are using Mailman 2.08 and need to upgrade
> but I have the following question:
> 
> Is it possible in 2.08 or in later versions to 
> REPLY and REPLY ALL to archived messages so that
> the message and subject heading remain intact?
> 
> This seems like an important feature -- which I am
> told is available in yahoo groups -- to a member who wants
> to interact with the list via the archives but not
> receive digests or individual messages...
> 
> David Massey

This is not a feature of Mailman, though there are several archivers
which can do this.  You should look at MHonarc. MHonarc can be used
instead of Pipermail (the built-in archiver), and then the archives will
have all the functionality that MHonarc brings.

Good luck in your quest - Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 17 04:18:10 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Mar 2004 22:18:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim errors eaten by Mailman
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040316150141.22c82938@g.mail.vanderbilt.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040316150141.22c82938@g.mail.vanderbilt.edu>
Message-ID: <1079493490.3174.117.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 16:09, Adam Gintis wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I've got a problem I'm not sure how to attack. After successful delivery of 
> a message by Mailman, my Exim mainlog shows:
> 
> Error message sent to listname-admin at mydomain.org
> 
> Now, because listname-admin is fed back into Mailman, I never get a chance 
> to see what that Exim error was. I think its just a couple of the addresses 
> on the list that failed, but I'd like to see the message. Any ideas?
> 
> I'm using exim 3.35-1woody2 and mailman 2.0.11-1woody8 on Debian 3.0 r1 Woody.
> 
> Thanks!

Hmmm, how about changing the alias for listname-admin so that it goes
directly to your email address.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 17 04:23:35 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Mar 2004 22:23:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance limitations inquiry
In-Reply-To: <1079488864.4057b16103795@chard.net>
References: <1079488864.4057b16103795@chard.net>
Message-ID: <1079493815.3174.120.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 21:01, chardlist at chard.net wrote:
> I run mailman 2.1.4 on FreeBSD unix with sendmail.  I'm running it on a
> co-located server in a verio datacenter, so it's internet connection is fast. 
> My question is, how can I expect the server to perform if the primary function
> of this server is to just run mailman?  I expect to have upwards of 60 lists on
> it with approximatly 300-500 posts a day among all lists.  List sizes will
> range from 100 to 5000 members.  There will be some announce only lists that
> have 20,000 members or so.
> 
> The machine is a P4 2.4Ghz with 1GIG of ram.
> 
> What I'm trying to pin down is whether or not having lists of this size and
> level of posting will choke up the server and necessitate upgrades.  Is my
> machine overkill or do I have something to be concerned with?  Any information
> from mailman users out there, including some stats on how many lists you may
> run on a particular machine and its success would be helpful.
> 
> Brendan

You'll be fine, especially since your running on a FreeBSD server (and I
assume a SCSI disk subsystem).

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 17 04:31:40 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Mar 2004 22:31:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim errors eaten by Mailman
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040316212458.230e4008@g.mail.vanderbilt.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040316150141.22c82938@g.mail.vanderbilt.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040316150141.22c82938@g.mail.vanderbilt.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040316212458.230e4008@g.mail.vanderbilt.edu>
Message-ID: <1079494300.3174.123.camel@localhost.localdomain>

list-admin:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin list", myemail


On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 22:29, Adam Gintis wrote:
> I don't want to break the listname-admin address functionality, I just want 
> a copy, next time I send a message to the list, of what it got from Exim 
> and (presumably) tossed on the floor as an invalid command. Are you saying 
> the best solution is just to temporarily redirect the -admin alias to me, 
> figure out what's going on, and put it back? I'd like to always receive a 
> copy of anything going to -admin. Thanks!
> 
> At 10:18 PM 3/16/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 16:09, Adam Gintis wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I've got a problem I'm not sure how to attack. After successful 
> > delivery of
> > > a message by Mailman, my Exim mainlog shows:
> > >
> > > Error message sent to listname-admin at mydomain.org
> > >
> > > Now, because listname-admin is fed back into Mailman, I never get a chance
> > > to see what that Exim error was. I think its just a couple of the 
> > addresses
> > > on the list that failed, but I'd like to see the message. Any ideas?
> > >
> > > I'm using exim 3.35-1woody2 and mailman 2.0.11-1woody8 on Debian 3.0 r1 
> > Woody.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> >
> >Hmmm, how about changing the alias for listname-admin so that it goes
> >directly to your email address.
> >
> >Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> -------------------------------
> Adam Gintis
> Vanderbilt University
> VU# 353920 Sta B
> 2301 Vanderbilt Place
> Nashville, TN 37235-3920
> 615-497-3922 (cell)
> 




From adam.gintis at vanderbilt.edu  Wed Mar 17 04:44:03 2004
From: adam.gintis at vanderbilt.edu (Adam Gintis)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:44:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim errors eaten by Mailman
In-Reply-To: <1079494300.3174.123.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040316212458.230e4008@g.mail.vanderbilt.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040316150141.22c82938@g.mail.vanderbilt.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040316150141.22c82938@g.mail.vanderbilt.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040316212458.230e4008@g.mail.vanderbilt.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040316214123.23b4ac08@g.mail.vanderbilt.edu>

Ahh, ok, I failed to explain that I'm using the special Exim directors 
rather than setting user = list. In other words, I don't have those aliases 
for each list.

At 10:31 PM 3/16/2004 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
>list-admin:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin list", myemail
>
>
>On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 22:29, Adam Gintis wrote:
> > I don't want to break the listname-admin address functionality, I just 
> want
> > a copy, next time I send a message to the list, of what it got from Exim
> > and (presumably) tossed on the floor as an invalid command. Are you saying
> > the best solution is just to temporarily redirect the -admin alias to me,
> > figure out what's going on, and put it back? I'd like to always receive a
> > copy of anything going to -admin. Thanks!
> >
> > At 10:18 PM 3/16/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> > >On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 16:09, Adam Gintis wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I've got a problem I'm not sure how to attack. After successful
> > > delivery of
> > > > a message by Mailman, my Exim mainlog shows:
> > > >
> > > > Error message sent to listname-admin at mydomain.org
> > > >
> > > > Now, because listname-admin is fed back into Mailman, I never get a 
> chance
> > > > to see what that Exim error was. I think its just a couple of the
> > > addresses
> > > > on the list that failed, but I'd like to see the message. Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > I'm using exim 3.35-1woody2 and mailman 2.0.11-1woody8 on Debian 
> 3.0 r1
> > > Woody.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >Hmmm, how about changing the alias for listname-admin so that it goes
> > >directly to your email address.
> > >
> > >Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> >
> > -------------------------------
> > Adam Gintis
> > Vanderbilt University
> > VU# 353920 Sta B
> > 2301 Vanderbilt Place
> > Nashville, TN 37235-3920
> > 615-497-3922 (cell)
> >

-------------------------------
Adam Gintis
Vanderbilt University
VU# 353920 Sta B
2301 Vanderbilt Place
Nashville, TN 37235-3920
615-497-3922 (cell)




From arthur at abible.com  Wed Mar 17 07:45:06 2004
From: arthur at abible.com (Arthur Gibbs)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:45:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus sent to lists "from" my domain - add
	passwordfor mods
References: <00aa01c40abe$300f2760$6401a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <008301c40beb$625eda20$6401a8c0@desktop>

"we use virus scanners to solve this..."

So do we. We had a virus scanner before mailman that took out the virus and
only left a warning message. But it still went through to the list.
Thousands got this 'virus' message from the list. Dozens thought it was a
virus, which it wasn't be, and e-mailed me for help. Dozens more thought I
knew for sure that they had a virus and that is why they got the message,
again not true, but I got a bunch more e-mail. And then everyone was just
annoyed as this dumb message wasn't apart of lists function.
I suppose I could ask my web host to have viruses not just stripped but just
deleted.

But still this message was forged. What if the next virus doesn't always
send out copies of itself but just sends spam stuff to forged addresses.
That message would go through too.

We the ability to have a password included in moderated mail be that hard to
of a feature to add? Seems like it might be easier than digital signs.? It
could be viewed as the season pass ticket that a moderator gives a member,
or himself. All messages with that line at the top AND from an approved
member would go through.

I just know after two 'virus' messages I had enough extra work claim down
the restless masses, that I decided to use emergency moderation. But that is
a bunch of extra work for the moderators.




From ste at smxy.org  Wed Mar 17 14:37:35 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:37:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I can't seem to get the urls right
In-Reply-To: <2CB3B924-77DC-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <40578C19.9050709@smxy.org>	<C7BE2ECB-77A1-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
	<40579270.4060905@smxy.org> <4057B649.90800@smxy.org>
	<2CB3B924-77DC-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4058549F.4080208@smxy.org>

Richard Barrett wrote:

> Did you follow the notes under the subheading  Existing versus new 
> lists" in the FAQ? In particular, the bit about using the fix_url script?

Strange. I looked at that faq entry several times, and managed not to 
see that part. Thank you (and Steve Burling) for pointing it out to me, 
as it did, indeed, fix the problem. I shall endeavor to read more 
carefully, next time. :)

	-ste



From rxweb+ at pitt.edu  Wed Mar 17 15:04:05 2004
From: rxweb+ at pitt.edu (Thomas Waters)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:04:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Way to protect web pages
Message-ID: <F38EA456-781B-11D8-B4D3-000393BB8C90@pitt.edu>

Panther Server/apache + Mailman 2.12

Is it possible to have the list info web pages displayed within a 
restricted access intranet?  Is this an alias issue or mod_rewrite 
issue?

Our webserver host name is www.pharmacy.pitt.edu and all mail and 
mailman lists are functioning as desired.  But, the mailman web pages 
are displaying at www.pharmacy.pitt.edu/mailman...  and I don't want 
that.  What I want is for the pages to be visable via a Vhost, 
intranet.xxx.xxxx.

Thx.
--
Thomas Waters
Director of Information and Communication Services
University of Pittsburgh, School of Pharmacy
rxweb at pitt.edu
http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu




From jumper99 at gmx.de  Wed Mar 17 15:49:03 2004
From: jumper99 at gmx.de (Helmut Schneider)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:49:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change hostname
Message-ID: <040f01c40c2e$fdb56910$609b65c1@vpe.de>

Hi,

I apologize if the question was asked before.

I have a server running mailman 2.1.2, say mail.domain.com. I got 3 lists. Now I add an alias for the server in DNS (e.g. lists).
How is it possible to transfer the 3 lists to the new alias? If I open the page http://lists.domain.com/mailman/listinfo I can see the welcome message. If I create a new list here it is listed here to. But the "old" lists do only appear under the old hostname (http://mail.domain.com/mailman/listinfo). Same for the footer.

Thanks, Helmut



From ste at smxy.org  Wed Mar 17 17:08:35 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:08:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postalias error
Message-ID: <40587803.2090308@smxy.org>

I had been using postfix-to-mailman.py, as I initially set up mailman, 
so I could skip the hassle of dealing with the aliases until I got 
everything else working (which I did).

This morning, I ripped that out, and follwed the directions in the 
README.POSTFIX file, and got my existing two lists working just fine 
(again).

Then I went to create a new list, via my browser, and I got this:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
     process_request(doc, cgidata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in 
process_request
     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
     _update_maps()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in 
_update_maps
     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/local/sbin/postalias 
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

I am able, as root, to run postalias on the aliases file, just fine. The 
files owner and group are both mailman, as the readme specified.

-rw-rw----  1 mailman  mailman   2792 Mar 17 10:51 aliases
-rw-r-----  1 mailman  mailman  49152 Mar 17 10:56 aliases.db

As a side note, I had set the owner and group of the virtual-mailman* 
files to be mailman, too, but after attempting to create the new list, I 
see that the ownership of one has changed to www:

-rw-rw----  1 www      mailman   2378 Mar 17 10:51 virtual-mailman
-rw-r-----  1 mailman  mailman  49152 Mar 17 09:30 virtual-mailman.db

Can someone help me figure out what the correct owner, group and 
permissions on these files should be (apparently different from what the 
readme states), so that I can successfullt create lists via the web?

TIA,

	-ste



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Mar 17 17:36:25 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:36:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postalias error
In-Reply-To: <40587803.2090308@smxy.org>
References: <40587803.2090308@smxy.org>
Message-ID: <20040317163625.GG3192@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Shaun T. Erickson wrote:
> I had been using postfix-to-mailman.py, as I initially set up mailman, 
> so I could skip the hassle of dealing with the aliases until I got 
> everything else working (which I did).
>
> This morning, I ripped that out, and follwed the directions in the 
> README.POSTFIX file, and got my existing two lists working just fine 
> (again).
>
> Then I went to create a new list, via my browser, and I got this:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
>     process_request(doc, cgidata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in 
> process_request
>     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
>     _update_maps()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in 
> _update_maps
>     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/local/sbin/postalias 
> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
>
> I am able, as root, to run postalias on the aliases file, just fine. The 
> files owner and group are both mailman, as the readme specified.
>
> -rw-rw----  1 mailman  mailman   2792 Mar 17 10:51 aliases
> -rw-r-----  1 mailman  mailman  49152 Mar 17 10:56 aliases.db

The FAQ is your friend:

    6.9. I get a "RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias"
    when creating lists and Postfix is my MTA

    http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp

You want to make aliases.db group writable.

I wish that check_perms would catch this and that README.POSTFIX would
mention the importance of the file being group writable.  It bites
enough people to warrant it I think.

I made a patch against CVS about two months ago to do both of these
things and posted it here, but it didn't get picked up and I don't
think I got around to sending it to the mailman-developers list.  In
case it's helpful, I'll attach it again.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
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Those who dream by day are cognizant of many things that escape those
who dream only at night.
    -- Edgar Allan Poe

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Index: README.POSTFIX
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/README.POSTFIX,v
retrieving revision 2.17
diff -u -r2.17 README.POSTFIX
--- README.POSTFIX	14 Sep 2003 04:58:35 -0000	2.17
+++ README.POSTFIX	15 Jan 2004 04:02:23 -0000
@@ -76,11 +76,12 @@
       % bin/genaliases
 
       Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and data/aliases.db
-      file is `mailman' and that the group owner for those files is
-      `mailman'.  E.g.:
+      file is `mailman', that the group owner for those files is
+      `mailman', and that both files are group writable.  E.g.:
 
       % su
       % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases*
+      % chmod g+w data/aliases*
 
     - Hack your Postfix's main.cf file to include the following path
       in your alias_maps variable:
Index: Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py,v
retrieving revision 2.22
diff -u -r2.22 Postfix.py
--- Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py	14 Sep 2003 04:41:32 -0000	2.22
+++ Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py	15 Jan 2004 04:02:23 -0000
@@ -339,12 +339,21 @@
                 owner = pwd.getpwuid(stat[ST_UID])[0]
             except KeyError:
                 owner = 'uid %d' % stat[ST_UID]
-            print _('%(dbfile)s owned by %(owner)s (must be owned by %(user)s')
+            print _('%(dbfile)s owned by %(owner)s (must be owned by %(user)s'),
             state.ERRORS += 1
             if state.FIX:
                 print _('(fixing)')
                 uid = pwd.getpwnam(user)[2]
                 gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2]
                 os.chown(dbfile, uid, gid)
+            else:
+                print
+        if stat and (stat[ST_MODE] & targetmode) <> targetmode:
+            state.ERRORS += 1
+            octmode = oct(stat[ST_MODE])
+            print _('%(dbfile)s permissions must be 066x (got %(octmode)s)'),
+            if state.FIX:
+                print _('(fixing)')
+                os.chmod(dbfile, stat[ST_MODE] | targetmode)
             else:
                 print

From ste at smxy.org  Wed Mar 17 18:27:43 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:27:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly reminder question
Message-ID: <40588A8F.7040104@smxy.org>

Yes, I looked in the FAQ this time. :)

I understand that the monthly reminders will appear to come from the 
mailman account. My mailman account is in the virtual domain 
"lists.smxy.org". I have lists in other domains - "gaamc-lists.org", for 
example. I suspect the members of the gaamc lists will get their 
reminders from "mailman at smxy.org", but I don't want them to know about 
that domain - the reminders should appear to come from 
"mailman at gaamc-lists.org", and similar for the members of mailing lists 
in other domains I host.

Will it work the former, or latter way, and, if the former, is there 
anything I can do make it the latter?

	-ste



From steven at calvoter.org  Wed Mar 17 19:34:49 2004
From: steven at calvoter.org (Steven Massey)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:34:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail
In-Reply-To: <E1B3e3h-0003GM-0p@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <C5BF0BBA-7841-11D8-B370-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>

Hello,

I've tried checking the previous list posts and the FAQ but I haven't 
figured this out.  How do I setup my list so that people can subscribe 
via the web interface or the e-mail subscription request and be 
immediately subscribed without ever confirming the request?  The person 
will just receive the welcome message and no confirmation e-mail.  I 
also don't want to have to confirm the subscription.  I know 
security-wise this isn't a great idea, but thats how my client wants it 
setup.

Thanks in advance,

Steven




From aalonso at uncoma.edu.ar  Wed Mar 17 19:46:58 2004
From: aalonso at uncoma.edu.ar (Ana Carolina Alonso de =?iso-8859-1?Q?Armi=F1o?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:46:58 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named japanese
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040317154655.00a39030@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>

Hello,

	I have a problem using mailman: I have a mail server (sendmail) where I 
hade installed mailman 2.1.4. There is installed Python 2.2.2. and 
Python-devel. I have a list and when I run the command list_list it work 
very well.
	I have another server, my web server running apache, there is installed 
Python 2.0 and Python-devel. I hade mounted the mailman directory into my 
web server using NFS. When I run a command, like list_list, it give the error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "./bin/list_lists", line 44, in ?
     import paths
   File "./bin/paths.py", line 55, in ?
     import japanese
ImportError: No module named japanese

	I don`t understand where is the problem. Any idea?

Ana 





From dmassey at korrnet.org  Wed Mar 17 19:55:53 2004
From: dmassey at korrnet.org (David Massey)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:55:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail
In-Reply-To: <C5BF0BBA-7841-11D8-B370-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>
Message-ID: <FCEIJEGNNMMDOHFIGEMJMEPLEFAA.dmassey@korrnet.org>

Steven,
I'm still using 2.0.8; not sure how this works in later versions.
In 2.0.8, the settings for confirmation & approval are contained
on the privacy options page. You can require confirmation, or
approval, or both. There is no option for neither.
David

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Steven Massey
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:35 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail


Hello,

I've tried checking the previous list posts and the FAQ but I haven't
figured this out.  How do I setup my list so that people can subscribe
via the web interface or the e-mail subscription request and be
immediately subscribed without ever confirming the request?  The person
will just receive the welcome message and no confirmation e-mail.  I
also don't want to have to confirm the subscription.  I know
security-wise this isn't a great idea, but thats how my client wants it
setup.

Thanks in advance,

Steven


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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 17 20:17:53 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Mar 2004 14:17:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Way to protect web pages
In-Reply-To: <F38EA456-781B-11D8-B4D3-000393BB8C90@pitt.edu>
References: <F38EA456-781B-11D8-B4D3-000393BB8C90@pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <1079551072.4709.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 09:04, Thomas Waters wrote:
> Panther Server/apache + Mailman 2.12
> 
> Is it possible to have the list info web pages displayed within a 
> restricted access intranet?  Is this an alias issue or mod_rewrite 
> issue?
> 
> Our webserver host name is www.pharmacy.pitt.edu and all mail and 
> mailman lists are functioning as desired.  But, the mailman web pages 
> are displaying at www.pharmacy.pitt.edu/mailman...  and I don't want 
> that.  What I want is for the pages to be visable via a Vhost, 
> intranet.xxx.xxxx.
> 

If you have set that up as the virtual host for those lists to use, then
you only need to toggle on setting in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
file (look at the Defauts.py file for the explanations and syntax):

  # When set to Yes, the listinfo and admin overviews of
  # lists on the machine will be confined to only those
  # lists whose web_page_url configuration option host
  # is included within the URL by which the page is
  # visited - only those "on the virtual host".  When
  # set to No, all advertised (i.e. public) lists are
  # included in the overview.
  VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = On





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 17 20:23:22 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Mar 2004 14:23:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change hostname
In-Reply-To: <040f01c40c2e$fdb56910$609b65c1@vpe.de>
References: <040f01c40c2e$fdb56910$609b65c1@vpe.de>
Message-ID: <1079551402.4709.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 09:49, Helmut Schneider wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I apologize if the question was asked before.
> 
> I have a server running mailman 2.1.2, say mail.domain.com. I got 3 lists. Now I add an alias for the server in DNS (e.g. lists).
> How is it possible to transfer the 3 lists to the new alias? If I open the page http://lists.domain.com/mailman/listinfo I can see the welcome message. If I create a new list here it is listed here to. But the "old" lists do only appear under the old hostname (http://mail.domain.com/mailman/listinfo). Same for the footer.
> 
> Thanks, Helmut
> 

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 17 20:32:20 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Mar 2004 14:32:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail
In-Reply-To: <FCEIJEGNNMMDOHFIGEMJMEPLEFAA.dmassey@korrnet.org>
References: <FCEIJEGNNMMDOHFIGEMJMEPLEFAA.dmassey@korrnet.org>
Message-ID: <1079551940.4709.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Folks get around this by writing their own web-page for subscriptions
(and email address/script).  They feed the addresses into a command line
script.  The command line script allows additions without confirmations.

You can also hack the code to allow this.

I don't think anyone on Mailman-dev wants to encourage the bad practice
of allowing folks to be subscribed without their approval (except by the
list admin), so don't look for this feature to be changed in MMv3.

Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 13:55, David Massey wrote:
> Steven,
> I'm still using 2.0.8; not sure how this works in later versions.
> In 2.0.8, the settings for confirmation & approval are contained
> on the privacy options page. You can require confirmation, or
> approval, or both. There is no option for neither.
> David
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Steven Massey
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:35 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I've tried checking the previous list posts and the FAQ but I haven't
> figured this out.  How do I setup my list so that people can subscribe
> via the web interface or the e-mail subscription request and be
> immediately subscribed without ever confirming the request?  The person
> will just receive the welcome message and no confirmation e-mail.  I
> also don't want to have to confirm the subscription.  I know
> security-wise this isn't a great idea, but thats how my client wants it
> setup.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Steven
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 17 20:39:34 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Mar 2004 14:39:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named japanese
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040317154655.00a39030@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040317154655.00a39030@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>
Message-ID: <1079552373.4709.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 13:46, Ana Carolina Alonso de Armi?o wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 	I have a problem using mailman: I have a mail server (sendmail) where I 
> hade installed mailman 2.1.4. There is installed Python 2.2.2. and 
> Python-devel. I have a list and when I run the command list_list it work 
> very well.
> 	I have another server, my web server running apache, there is installed 
> Python 2.0 and Python-devel. I hade mounted the mailman directory into my 
> web server using NFS. When I run a command, like list_list, it give the error:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "./bin/list_lists", line 44, in ?
>      import paths
>    File "./bin/paths.py", line 55, in ?
>      import japanese
> ImportError: No module named japanese
> 
> 	I don`t understand where is the problem. Any idea?
> 
> Ana 

Hmmm, two different versions of Python all using the same Mailman
install via NFS... that doesn't sound like a very good idea.  Still it
might work.

If you look in "paths.py" you will see the line:
  import japanese

This imports a python module for handling Japanese character encoding.
The module probably exists on mail server, but definitely has not been
installed on your Web server. Once you install that module, the error
will probably go away... and be replaced by some other error indicating
some other missing modules.

Make sure you have a full Python install running on your Webserver. 
Most distributions of Linux only include by default the modules that
their system apps use. Generally the others are all lumped into a larger
package called Python-development.

Good luck - Jon Carnes




From wheakory at isu.edu  Wed Mar 17 21:29:35 2004
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:29:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Route to Host
Message-ID: <4058B52F.5020202@isu.edu>

When I send a message to a mailman 2.1.4 mailing list using Postfix from 
a yahoo account.   I receive an error message that says "No route to 
Host".  It seems when I send out a message from our domain "isu.edu" 
they are received, but from any other smtp host I receive the below error:

/var/log/maillog:Mar 17 01:55:24 lx5 postfix/smtp[16457]: 10F74124A31: 
to=<wheakorypersonal at yahoo.com>, relay=none, delay=4956, status=deferred 
(connect to mx4.mail.yahoo.com[216.155.197.63]: No route to host)

Here's my main.cf using postconf -n ( would really appreciate help this 
is critical).
(I've been working on this for 15 hours straight and don't have any more 
troubleshooting ideas)

alias_maps = hash:/home/mailman/data/aliases
command_directory = /usr/sbin
config_directory = /etc/postfix
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
mail_owner = postfix
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq
manpage_directory = /usr/local/man
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, mm.isu.edu
myhostname = mm.isu.edu
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases
owner_request_special = no
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
readme_directory = /root/postfix_README
recipient_delimiter = +
sample_directory = /etc/postfix
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail
setgid_group = postdrop
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
[wheakory at lx5 postfix]$ /usr/sbin/postconf -n |more
alias_maps = hash:/home/mailman/data/aliases
command_directory = /usr/sbin
config_directory = /etc/postfix
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
mail_owner = postfix
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq
manpage_directory = /usr/local/man
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, mm.isu.edu
myhostname = mm.isu.edu
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases
owner_request_special = no
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
readme_directory = /root/postfix_README
recipient_delimiter = +
sample_directory = /etc/postfix
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail
setgid_group = postdrop
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
[wheakory at lx5 postfix]$ /usr/sbin/postconf -n |more
alias_maps = hash:/home/mailman/data/aliases
command_directory = /usr/sbin
config_directory = /etc/postfix
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
mail_owner = postfix
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq
manpage_directory = /usr/local/man
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, mm.isu.edu
myhostname = mm.isu.edu
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases
owner_request_special = no
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
readme_directory = /root/postfix_README
recipient_delimiter = +
sample_directory = /etc/postfix
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail
setgid_group = postdrop
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550

-- 
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.




From wheakory at isu.edu  Wed Mar 17 21:55:54 2004
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:55:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Route to HOST
Message-ID: <4058BB5A.2080102@isu.edu>

When I send a message to a mailman 2.1.4 mailing list using Postfix from 
a yahoo account.   I receive an error message that says "No route to 
Host".  It seems when I send out a message from our domain "isu.edu" 
they are received, but from any other smtp host I receive the below error:

/var/log/maillog:Mar 17 01:55:24 lx5 postfix/smtp[16457]: 10F74124A31: 
to=<wheakorypersonal at yahoo.com>, relay=none, delay=4956, status=deferred 
(connect to mx4.mail.yahoo.com[216.155.197.63]: No route to host)

Here's my main.cf using postconf -n ( would really appreciate help this 
is critical).
(I've been working on this for 15 hours straight and don't have any more 
troubleshooting ideas)

alias_maps = hash:/home/mailman/data/aliases
command_directory = /usr/sbin
config_directory = /etc/postfix
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
mail_owner = postfix
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq
manpage_directory = /usr/local/man
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, mm.isu.edu
myhostname = mm.isu.edu
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases
owner_request_special = no
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
readme_directory = /root/postfix_README
recipient_delimiter = +
sample_directory = /etc/postfix
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail
setgid_group = postdrop
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
[wheakory at lx5 postfix]$ /usr/sbin/postconf -n |more
alias_maps = hash:/home/mailman/data/aliases
command_directory = /usr/sbin
config_directory = /etc/postfix
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
mail_owner = postfix
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq
manpage_directory = /usr/local/man
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, mm.isu.edu
myhostname = mm.isu.edu
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases
owner_request_special = no
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
readme_directory = /root/postfix_README
recipient_delimiter = +
sample_directory = /etc/postfix
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail
setgid_group = postdrop
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
[wheakory at lx5 postfix]$ /usr/sbin/postconf -n |more
alias_maps = hash:/home/mailman/data/aliases
command_directory = /usr/sbin
config_directory = /etc/postfix
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
mail_owner = postfix
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq
manpage_directory = /usr/local/man
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, mm.isu.edu
myhostname = mm.isu.edu
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases
owner_request_special = no
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
readme_directory = /root/postfix_README
recipient_delimiter = +
sample_directory = /etc/postfix
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail
setgid_group = postdrop
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550

-- 
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 17 22:00:08 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Mar 2004 16:00:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named japanese
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040317165124.00a3aec0@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040317154655.00a39030@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20040317154655.00a39030@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20040317165124.00a3aec0@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>
Message-ID: <1079557208.4709.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 14:59, Ana Carolina Alonso de Armi?o wrote:
> Thanks!!!! 
> I had change my mailman version, I had uninstalled mailman 2.1.4 and I
> had installed now mailman 2.1.3. I did it because I received next
> error into the page:
> 
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4
> 
> 
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
> of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
> happened. Thanks! 
> /H3
> ....
> 
> But now I get:
> 
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3
> 
> 
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
> of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
> happened. Thanks! 
> /H3
> ...
> 
> So, the re-installation no chage the state.
> When I run a command in my web server like ./bin/list_lists, I get:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./bin/list_lists", line 47, in ?
>     from Mailman import MailList
>   File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 40, in ?
>     from email.Utils import getaddresses, formataddr, parseaddr
>   File "/usr/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 12, in ?
>     import warnings
> ImportError: No module named warnings
> 
> 
> Wath shoul I do? change my python version in my web server so that the
> version in both, my web server and my email server (list server), will
> be the same?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Ana
> 

That will work, or you can simply install the updated Python in a
different directory and when you install Mailman, point it to the New
Python install.  Works a treat!

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

BTW: The "bug" message is simply Python's way of saying that there was a
problem with running the program - it doesn't mean the program has a
bug. In your case, it means that the modules it needed were missing. 
You should feel free to run Mailman version 2.1.4, it's very solid and
reliable.






From theall at tifaware.com  Wed Mar 17 22:17:56 2004
From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:17:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Route to HOST
In-Reply-To: <4058BB5A.2080102@isu.edu>
References: <4058BB5A.2080102@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <20040317211756.GA27741@tifaware.com>

On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 01:55:54PM -0700, Kory Wheatley wrote:

> When I send a message to a mailman 2.1.4 mailing list using Postfix from 
> a yahoo account.   I receive an error message that says "No route to 
> Host".  It seems when I send out a message from our domain "isu.edu" 
> they are received, but from any other smtp host I receive the below error:
> 
> /var/log/maillog:Mar 17 01:55:24 lx5 postfix/smtp[16457]: 10F74124A31: 
> to=<wheakorypersonal at yahoo.com>, relay=none, delay=4956, status=deferred 
> (connect to mx4.mail.yahoo.com[216.155.197.63]: No route to host)

I don't use postfix, but I'd be surprised if this were a problem with
Mailman.  The message itself claims your MTA can't find a route to the
mx4.mail.yahoo.com, which is acting as a mail exchanger for yahoo.com,
which suggests a routing problem. 

Are you able to send a message a message from the host with Mailman
installed on it to Yahoo?

George
-- 
theall at tifaware.com
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From amcdonal at harris.com  Thu Mar 18 00:08:15 2004
From: amcdonal at harris.com (McDonald, Arturo)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:08:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing mailman 2.0.13 archive absolute symbolic
	links to relati ve ones
Message-ID: <EFAA78F77E74D411A0F700508BDFEAD61038248B@mlbmx9.cs.myharris.net>

Does anyone know if it is possible with mailman 2.0.13 if it is possible to
configure it to create relative symbolic links between the public and
private folders as opposed to the absolute symbolic links it now creates?   

 

We did try overwriting the PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR in the mm_cfg.py file and
that partially worked but some scripts (such as newlist) broke when we did
that. 

 

We are specifically looking to do this as we are attempting to run mailman
in a chrooted environment.  We have everything working perfectly, except
when the user visits the archives apache returns a file not found error.
This is because the symbolic link is being evaluated outside the chrooted
environment.   

 

Thanks. 

 

 

 

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From steven at calvoter.org  Thu Mar 18 00:12:57 2004
From: steven at calvoter.org (Steven Massey)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:12:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail
In-Reply-To: <E1B3i8g-0002AT-HF@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <A062327C-7868-11D8-B370-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>

Jon,

Thanks for the response.  I would tend to agree with you, but this 
client is particularly insistent on setting it up this way.  Perhaps 
people on the list could help me by providing some fodder to argue why 
there should be a confirmation e-mail.  I've tried saying that people 
could be maliciously signed up for a list they never wanted to be on, 
but they don't seem to think that is really an issue.  Are there other 
reasons I can provide?  Even the smallest things could be useful.

Thanks

Steven


On Wednesday, March 17, 2004, at 12:59 PM, 
mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:

> I don't think anyone on Mailman-dev wants to encourage the bad practice
> of allowing folks to be subscribed without their approval (except by 
> the
> list admin), so don't look for this feature to be changed in MMv3.
>
> Jon Carnes




From ste at smxy.org  Thu Mar 18 01:07:37 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:07:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail
In-Reply-To: <A062327C-7868-11D8-B370-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>
References: <A062327C-7868-11D8-B370-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>
Message-ID: <4058E849.5040606@smxy.org>

Steven Massey wrote:

> Jon,
> 
> Thanks for the response.  I would tend to agree with you, but this 
> client is particularly insistent on setting it up this way.  Perhaps 
> people on the list could help me by providing some fodder to argue why 
> there should be a confirmation e-mail.  I've tried saying that people 
> could be maliciously signed up for a list they never wanted to be on, 
> but they don't seem to think that is really an issue.  Are there other 
> reasons I can provide?  Even the smallest things could be useful.

I haven't tried this, but looking at Defaults.py for 2.1.4, I see:

# SUBSCRIBE POLICY
# 0 - open list (only when ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE is set to 1) **
# 1 - confirmation required for subscribes
# 2 - admin approval required for subscribes
# 3 - both confirmation and admin approval required
#
# ** please do not choose option 0 if you are not allowing open
# subscribes (next variable)
DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 1

# Does this site allow completely unchecked subscriptions?
ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = No

Perhaps settings of 0 and Yes will get you the behavior you're seeking, 
though I agree with others that it's a Bad Idea(tm).

	-ste



From jamie at silverdream.org  Thu Mar 18 01:45:35 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 00:45:35 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail
In-Reply-To: <A062327C-7868-11D8-B370-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>
References: <A062327C-7868-11D8-B370-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>
Message-ID: <1079570735.15689.9.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 23:12, Steven Massey wrote:
> Jon,
> 
> Thanks for the response.  I would tend to agree with you, but this 
> client is particularly insistent on setting it up this way.  Perhaps 
> people on the list could help me by providing some fodder to argue why 
> there should be a confirmation e-mail.  I've tried saying that people 
> could be maliciously signed up for a list they never wanted to be on, 
> but they don't seem to think that is really an issue.  Are there other 
> reasons I can provide?  Even the smallest things could be useful.

[This may come out slightly stronger than I intended, but it's something
I feel very strongly about - spam...]

A single forged email is all that's needed to get someone subscribed to
a mailing list they didn't want to be subscribed to, and it is far too
easy to forge the sender with SMTP.

By doing that you're simply creating *more spam*, and probably
(hopefully - it'd mean they'd be doing their job) end up blacklisted by
the major RBL's, not to mention have lots of irate users asking you why
they are subscribed to a mailing list they didn't want.

That would mean that most of the mail sent out by your client (and your
server) would be promptly rejected.

Not requiring confirmation also means you can end up with a mass of
email addresses that aren't valid on your mailing list, creating endless
bounces, and more work for your MTA (and Mailman).

If you or your client doesn't think that is going to happen (IOW the
mailing list won't get any spam), they need to get a clue - it won't be
long before you start getting spam to those ML's. If you have any sense
of responsibility you'll persuade them that this is definitely not what
they want.

Just my opinion... take it or leave it..

-- 
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 w: http://silverdream.org | p: sms at silverdream.org
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From rmlane at mac.com  Thu Mar 18 02:17:28 2004
From: rmlane at mac.com (Richard Lane)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:17:28 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mac OS X 10.3.3 breaks Mailman?
Message-ID: <057AFF43-787A-11D8-A897-003065A90346@mac.com>


I'm using Apple's included version of Mailman 2.1 to run some small 
mailing lists, and I'm used to having to turn the lists back on after 
minor OS updates. This time, however, I can't get the lists turned back 
on, and the downside of GUIs is that they're often opaque when they 
fail (this one certainly is).

My list configuration is still present and accounted for, the 
configuration web pages are still there and seem to work, but messages 
to the lists vanish. No bounce, no (obvious) errors and no output to 
subscribers.

Is anyone else using the Apple provided Mailman version on 10.3 server? 
Did the update to 10.3.3 stop list deliveries?

In a former life I was a Solaris admin, any pointers for some command 
line stuff I can do to determine where the messages are getting stuck?

Thanks in advance,

Richard Lane




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Mar 18 08:25:37 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 18 Mar 2004 02:25:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail
In-Reply-To: <1079570735.15689.9.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>
References: <A062327C-7868-11D8-B370-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>
	<1079570735.15689.9.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>
Message-ID: <1079594736.4709.45.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 19:45, Jamie Penman-Smithson wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 23:12, Steven Massey wrote:
> > Jon,
> > 
> > Thanks for the response.  I would tend to agree with you, but this 
> > client is particularly insistent on setting it up this way.  Perhaps 
> > people on the list could help me by providing some fodder to argue why 
> > there should be a confirmation e-mail.  I've tried saying that people 
> > could be maliciously signed up for a list they never wanted to be on, 
> > but they don't seem to think that is really an issue.  Are there other 
> > reasons I can provide?  Even the smallest things could be useful.
> 
> [This may come out slightly stronger than I intended, but it's something
> I feel very strongly about - spam...]
> 
> A single forged email is all that's needed to get someone subscribed to
> a mailing list they didn't want to be subscribed to, and it is far too
> easy to forge the sender with SMTP.
> 
> By doing that you're simply creating *more spam*, and probably
> (hopefully - it'd mean they'd be doing their job) end up blacklisted by
> the major RBL's, not to mention have lots of irate users asking you why
> they are subscribed to a mailing list they didn't want.
> 
> That would mean that most of the mail sent out by your client (and your
> server) would be promptly rejected.
> 
> Not requiring confirmation also means you can end up with a mass of
> email addresses that aren't valid on your mailing list, creating endless
> bounces, and more work for your MTA (and Mailman).
> 
> If you or your client doesn't think that is going to happen (IOW the
> mailing list won't get any spam), they need to get a clue - it won't be
> long before you start getting spam to those ML's. If you have any sense
> of responsibility you'll persuade them that this is definitely not what
> they want.
> 
> Just my opinion... take it or leave it..

Additionally there are several Anti-spam laws in the works that would
*require* a confirmation before adding a user to a mailing list -
additionally they require accurate unsubscribe information to be
included within each list message.

Mailman meets the requirements of any current laws, and those being
considered by parliaments the world over. 




From jdeveloper at mosesgroup.de  Thu Mar 18 08:58:03 2004
From: jdeveloper at mosesgroup.de (jdeveloper at mosesgroup.de)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:58:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] webserver integration problem with ownership
Message-ID: <200403180758.i2I7w3Q16002@mailgate5.cinetic.de>

Hi Jon,


> What is the Group ownership for the file?  

My file permissions/ownerships look like:

-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      3686 Mar 18 08:00 config.pck

>Is the suGID bit set for the directory:

drwxrwsrwx    2 mailman  mailman      2048 Mar 18 08:00 mailman

As you might know from my posting -> i'm a begginer in administration, so
which is the suGID ??

Thanks & regards,
Frederic


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From dann at thelinuxlink.net  Thu Mar 18 09:18:44 2004
From: dann at thelinuxlink.net (dann)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 03:18:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] link to archives not complete
Message-ID: <20040318031844.4a52023f@inferno.thelinuxlink.net>

I just upgraded from mailman 2.0.13 to 2.1.4 and everything is working
great, except for one minor quark with the links to the archives.  If I
visit the listinfo or admin pages, the link to the archive is not
complete.  For instance, for my lvlug list I see this:

www.mydomain/pipermail

where I should be seeing this:

www.mydomain/pipermail/lvlug

I am baffled on how to fix this.  All the other links seem to work fine,
it seems as if the value MM-List-Name is not being set or passed
correctly.

Any suggestions on correcting this?

-- 
Dann S. Washko
Lehigh Valley Linux Users Group
http://www.thelinuxlink.net
get slack (www.slackware.com) and get happy

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From jumper99 at gmx.de  Thu Mar 18 09:19:25 2004
From: jumper99 at gmx.de (Helmut Schneider)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:19:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change hostname
References: <040f01c40c2e$fdb56910$609b65c1@vpe.de>
	<1079551402.4709.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <004901c40cc1$b9f2b910$609b65c1@vpe.de>

Jon Carnes wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 09:49, Helmut Schneider wrote:
>> 
>> I apologize if the question was asked before.
>> 
>> I have a server running mailman 2.1.2, say mail.domain.com. I got 3
>> lists. Now I add an alias for the server in DNS (e.g. lists). 
>> How is it possible to transfer the 3 lists to the new alias? If I
>> open the page http://lists.domain.com/mailman/listinfo I can see the
>> welcome message. If I create a new list here it is listed here to.
>> But the "old" lists do only appear under the old hostname
>> (http://mail.domain.com/mailman/listinfo). Same for the footer.    
> 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

Oh, sorry, of course I read the FAQ before posting! Perhaps something went wrong. Will try again.

Regards, Helmut



From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Thu Mar 18 09:33:31 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:33:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail
References: <E1B3i8g-0002AT-HF@mail.python.org>
	<A062327C-7868-11D8-B370-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>
Message-ID: <alm.20040318093334.17858@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

Steven Massey schrieb:

> Thanks for the response.  I would tend to agree with you, but this 
> client is particularly insistent on setting it up this way.

Did you counsel him and explain to him, *why* that is a really *very*
bad idea?

> Perhaps 
> people on the list could help me by providing some fodder to argue why 
> there should be a confirmation e-mail. 

Because otherwise anyone can subscribe anyone else (and this *will* be
done, sooner or later, if only to aggravate the people being
subscribed), and your client and/or you will get blamed for that ("You
are sending me unsolicited mail! I did not order your
newsmetter/mailing list/whatever!!!!11").

> I've tried saying that people 
> could be maliciously signed up for a list they never wanted to be on, 
> but they don't seem to think that is really an issue.

It is. Be sure.

-thh




From jumper99 at gmx.de  Thu Mar 18 09:36:31 2004
From: jumper99 at gmx.de (Helmut Schneider)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:36:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change hostname
References: <040f01c40c2e$fdb56910$609b65c1@vpe.de>
	<1079551402.4709.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <00a101c40cc4$1e3f1330$609b65c1@vpe.de>

Jon Carnes wrote:

> On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 09:49, Helmut Schneider wrote:
>> I apologize if the question was asked before.
>> 
>> I have a server running mailman 2.1.2, say mail.domain.com. I got 3
>> lists. Now I add an alias for the server in DNS (e.g. lists). 
>> How is it possible to transfer the 3 lists to the new alias? If I
>> open the page http://lists.domain.com/mailman/listinfo I can see the
>> welcome message. If I create a new list here it is listed here to.
>> But the "old" lists do only appear under the old hostname
>> (http://mail.domain.com/mailman/listinfo). Same for the footer.    
>> 
>> Thanks, Helmut
> 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

Argh, I always ran /usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r /usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/fix_url.py testlist. Works now...

Thanks, Helmut



From edu at cemib.unicamp.br  Thu Mar 18 12:48:17 2004
From: edu at cemib.unicamp.br (Eduardo Ferreira de Carvalho)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:48:17 -0300 (BRT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives missing
In-Reply-To: <1079399658.4549.30.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <3434.143.106.144.21.1079367964.squirrel@www.cemib.unicamp.br>
	<1079399658.4549.30.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1062.143.106.144.21.1079610497.squirrel@www.cemib.unicamp.br>



   I verified the archives.  E-mails is written in the server, but month
in ahead saw web does not appear the archives of this.  It seems that
after the year ticket, it started these problems.  They are not
corrupted because if thus she was would not write the archives in the
server.  It would be some type of configuration of the Mailman?

> On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 11:26, Eduardo Ferreira de Carvalho wrote:
>> Hello list,
>>
>>   Currently is using the last version of Mailman, but I do not know what
>> it occurs that the archives of the list of the month of February/2004 do
>> not appear.  I used the command "arch" and appeared the month of March.
>> Mine mailman is configured to appear to file monthly.  It will be that I
>> will have that to use this command all month or exists another skill to
>> decide this problem?
>>
>>   I wait and thanks
>>
>> Eduardo Ferreira de Carvalho
>> ----------------------------
>> WebMaster e Suporte T??cnico
>> Departamento de Inform??tica - CEMIB
>> http://www.cemib.unicamp.br
>>
> Check the mbox file for the list and see if there are any mails from
> February to the list.
>
> The mbox file is located in:
>   ~mailman/archives/private/<listname>.mbox/<listname>.mbox
>
> If that file has some February mail (as shown by the Date: field in the
> mail headers of the mail stored in that huge file) then you might have a
> corrupted mbox file - or too large to be processed with your current
> system resources.
>
> Wishing you well - Jon Carnes
>
>


Eduardo Ferreira de Carvalho
----------------------------
WebMaster e Suporte T?cnico
Departamento de Inform?tica - CEMIB
http://www.cemib.unicamp.br



From david.balazic at hermes.si  Thu Mar 18 14:29:30 2004
From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:29:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple messages per page display
Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC056D@piramida.hermes.si>

Hi!

Can Mailman render HTML pages that display more than one email message ?
For example an entire thread ?

I am deciding to build a web-forum or a mail list. I prefer a mail list, but
if the only web access is one message per web page, well I don't like that.

Is this possible with Mailman ? Or maybe some other mail->web program ?

TIA, best regards,
David
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From allard at uni-mainz.de  Thu Mar 18 14:46:21 2004
From: allard at uni-mainz.de (Dirk Allard)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:46:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Suse Standard Server 8.0
Message-ID: <1079617581.4059a82de407b@mail.uni-mainz.de>

Hi, 
 
I tried to get mailman running on Suse Standard Server 8.0. Installing is no 
problem as well as creating a mailinglist and adding users. Sending a mail to 
the mailinglist seems to work to the point just before the mail is spreaded to 
the subscribers. 
 
Mailman version: 2.0.13 using postfix 
 
Some logfile snippets: 
 
messages logfile during incoming mailinglist mail 
 
----------------------------start--------------------------------- 
Mar 18 14:28:00 staudinger /USR/SBIN/CRON[23736]: (mailman) CMD 
(/usr/bin/python 
 -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner) 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger master[24396]: about to exec 
/usr/lib/cyrus/bin/lmtpd 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger lmtpunix[24396]: executed 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger lmtpd[24396]: accepted connection 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger lmtpd[24396]: lmtp connection preauth'd as postman 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger lmtpd[24396]: duplicate_check: 
<1079616889.4059a57990 
bf8 at mail.uni-mainz.de> user.mailadmin       0 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger lmtpd[24396]: mystore: starting txn 2147483659 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger lmtpd[24396]: mystore: committing txn 2147483659 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger lmtpd[24396]: duplicate_mark: 
<1079616889.4059a57990b 
f8 at mail.uni-mainz.de> user.mailadmin       1079616522 
Mar 18 14:29:00 staudinger /USR/SBIN/CRON[24426]: (mailman) CMD 
(/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner) 
--------------------------------end------------------------------------------ 
 
mail log file, same period: 
 
---------------------------------start-------------------------------------- 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/smtpd[24384]: connect from 
mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE[134.93.178.130] 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/smtpd[24384]: 245821BDE: 
client=mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE[134.93.178.130] 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/cleanup[24385]: 245821BDE: 
message-id=<1079616889.4059a57990bf8 at mail.uni-mainz.de> 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/qmgr[24188]: 245821BDE: 
from=<allard at uni-mainz.de>, size=1323, nrcpt=1 (queue active) 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/smtpd[24384]: disconnect from 
mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE[134.93.178.130] 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger spamd[897]: connection from localhost [127.0.0.1] 
at port 40536 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger spamd[24391]: processing message 
<1079616889.4059a57990bf8 at mail.uni-mainz.de> for nobody:65534. 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger spamd[24391]: clean message (-0.4/5.0) for 
nobody:65534 in 0.1 seconds, 1330 bytes. 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/pickup[24187]: 46C681BE1: uid=65534 
from=<allard at uni-mainz.de> 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/pipe[24387]: 245821BDE: 
to=<akzentel at staudinger.chemie.uni-mainz.de>, relay=procmail, delay=0, 
status=sent (spamfilter) 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/cleanup[24385]: 46C681BE1: 
message-id=<1079616889.4059a57990bf8 at mail.uni-mainz.de> 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/qmgr[24188]: 46C681BE1: 
from=<allard at uni-mainz.de>, size=1625, nrcpt=1 (queue active) 
Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/lmtp[24395]: 46C681BE1: 
to=<akzentel at staudinger.chemie.uni-mainz.de>, relay=public/lmtp[public/lmtp], 
delay=0, status=sent (250 2.1.5 Ok) 
-----------------------------------end----------------------------------- 
 
Is anybody able to help me here? 
 
Thanks in advance 
 
Dirk 
--  
Dr. Dirk Allard  
Institut f?r organische Chemie	Universit?t Mainz  
Duesbergweg 10-14		55099 Mainz  



From atropos at fates.org  Thu Mar 18 14:50:46 2004
From: atropos at fates.org (David B. O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:50:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mac OS X 10.3.3 breaks Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <057AFF43-787A-11D8-A897-003065A90346@mac.com>
References: <057AFF43-787A-11D8-A897-003065A90346@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1079599846@mrspeel.fates.org>

On Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:17 PM +1100, Richard Lane <rmlane at mac.com> 
wrote:

> My list configuration is still present and accounted for, the
> configuration web pages are still there and seem to work, but messages to
> the lists vanish. No bounce, no (obvious) errors and no output to
> subscribers.
>
> Is anyone else using the Apple provided Mailman version on 10.3 server?
> Did the update to 10.3.3 stop list deliveries?

I found that the mailman master qrunners had shut down when I applied the 
10.3.3 upgrade. Check your process list to see if they are running and, if 
not, use mailmanctl to start them back up.

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From mailman at sgtst.com  Thu Mar 18 16:19:42 2004
From: mailman at sgtst.com (Nancy S)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:19:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040318100914.02cd4e30@pop.mindspring.com>

Jon wrote:


>I don't think anyone on Mailman-dev wants to encourage the bad practice
>of allowing folks to be subscribed without their approval (except by the
>list admin), so don't look for this feature to be changed in MMv3.

This may be slightly off this particular topic, but I run several mailman lists with the options:
o) Administrator approval is required for all subscriptions
o) No confirmation is required for subscriptions

These are relatively "closed" communities of nontechnical people, where the administrator has tight connections to the subscribers and there is some "offline" or "unstructured" confirmation that occurs outside of Mailman itself.

The problem I've been having is that there doesn't seem to be a way for the LIST ADMIN to change a subscriber's e-mail address without a confirmation (unless one goes through a subscribe/unsubscribe which risks changing user options and the user password). For these particular communities we really do not want confirmation required -- and if it's not required for the initial subscription, why is it required for the address change?

Or am I missing something?

Thanks!

-Nancy
[Mailman "user" in the sense of list administrator -- I've no control over the installation. Mailman version 2.1.1]




From jon at mac-consultant.com  Thu Mar 18 16:20:38 2004
From: jon at mac-consultant.com (Jon Thompson)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:20:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mac OS X 10.3.3 breaks Mailman?
Message-ID: <CFECEFE2-78EF-11D8-A904-000393760978@mac-consultant.com>

>
> I'm using Apple's included version of Mailman 2.1 to run some small 
> mailing lists, and I'm used to having to turn the lists back on after 
> minor OS updates. This time, however, I can't get the lists turned 
> back on, and the downside of GUIs is that they're often opaque when 
> they fail (this one certainly is).
>
> My list configuration is still present and accounted for, the 
> configuration web pages are still there and seem to work, but messages 
> to the lists vanish. No bounce, no (obvious) errors and no output to 
> subscribers.
>
> Is anyone else using the Apple provided Mailman version on 10.3 
> server? Did the update to 10.3.3 stop list deliveries?
>
> In a former life I was a Solaris admin, any pointers for some command 
> line stuff I can do to determine where the messages are getting stuck?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Richard Lane

try this command on your server:

sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s restart

I had this problem at the most inopportune time.  It appears that the 
update shuts down mailman, but does not clean it up, so the master lock 
still in place.  By performing this, it clears this file so that 
mailman can operate correctly.  Also note: all of the messages sent to 
your lists have not been lost, they will flow through when you get this 
cleared.

Why -s is not the default startup mode is beyond me.

-- 
Jon Thompson
Jon Thompson Consulting
jon at mac-consultant.com
(515) 360-0250
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From tfaul at sbgpcs34.in2p3.fr  Thu Mar 18 16:29:15 2004
From: tfaul at sbgpcs34.in2p3.fr (Tatjana Faul)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:29:15 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 1, Issue 2386
In-Reply-To: <E1B3zKc-0008Lw-1I@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403181626200.22376-100000@sbgpcs34.in2p3.fr>

Hello everyboby
I want to know how it is possible with Latex to put an image under the
text.Must I use \subfigure?
And if it's yes how must I do?
thanks
Tatjana





From BAtkins at osc.uscg.mil  Thu Mar 18 16:38:32 2004
From: BAtkins at osc.uscg.mil (Atkins, Brian)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:38:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying web pages
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831706898280@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>

I'm working on building a fresh system with RH9 and MM 2.1.4 to replace our
existing list server running MM 2.0.13.  I'd like to modify the MM web pages
to have the same look and feel as the rest of our site.  I have already
edited the general, subscribe, and options pages, but would like to edit the
rest of the pages as well.  I haven't found any threads pertaining to this
in the archives.

Thanks,

Brian



From anner at blast.com  Thu Mar 18 17:07:20 2004
From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:07:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing not sending mail to owner
Message-ID: <55A3AAF0-78F6-11D8-BE94-000A959E1C16@blast.com>

Even though I have set my system to notify the list owner upon disable 
and unsubscription, my owner isn't getting any mails, despite many:
to=<list-bounces at mail.ourserver.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces list")
messages

The maximum member bounce score before the member's subscription is 
disabled. is set to 1.0

Is there any way to see if mailman has actually disabled or 
unsubscribed due to to bounces?  Why wouldn't it send the email to the 
owner?  Please help.

Anne




From ep at octalouie.com  Tue Mar 16 21:38:03 2004
From: ep at octalouie.com (E.P.)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:38:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Mailman question
Message-ID: <D2E1FF8F-7789-11D8-B459-0030657C67D6@octalouie.com>

Greetings!

I have recently changed over to a new webhosting company that uses the 
Mailman software for the announcement lists.  As I read the 
documentation, it suggests that one can create customized webpages for 
the following responses:

SubscribedURL
UnsubscribedURL
AlreadyOnURL
NotOnURL
InvalidURL
EmailConfirmURL

I could create generic webpages that acknowledge "You are already 
subscribed" or whatever it is, but I'd like be able to personalize it 
with the proper code. I don't know how to set up the Java/unix or html 
code to auto-insert the email address that was inputted by the user.

Would it be possible for you to send me a sample webpage that 
auto-inserts the email address of the person that is trying to 
subscribe to my list?  Once I have the proper format, then I can create 
6 different webpages with 6 different pre-set responses.

I'm not very fluent in html, so if you send me the full source code for 
a sample webpage that responds to a Mailman command, that would be 
wonderful.  Once I have a simple, sample web template, then I have 
something I can work with.

my thanks in advance,


ERIC PREDOEHL
PO Box 2430
Santa Clara, CA 95055-2430
studio (408) 749-9757
http://www.octalouie.com
http://www.louielouie.net




From ctyler at nexlinkinc.net  Wed Mar 17 04:28:18 2004
From: ctyler at nexlinkinc.net (Christopher Tyler)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:28:18 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Sendmail SMTP-AUTH and Mailman
Message-ID: <1079494097.4405.85.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I had Mailman working fine with Sendmail up until I enabled SMTP-AUTH in
Sendmail.  The messages get to Mailman but are not delivered to the list
members anymore because Mailman does not authenticate. Disabling
SMTP-AUTH is not an option as we are an ISP and have users that require
email on the road and such, and we do not wish to be blacklisted as an
open relay.

There aren't any messages in the archive that deal with this
specifically, so my question is what EXACTLY do I have to do to get it
to work with SMTP-AUTH.  I have included my sendmail.mc file for
review.  I am running Fedora Core 1 with the latest stable versions of
Sendmail and Mailman.  Mailman is set to deliver to SMTPdirect if that
is any help.

SENDMAIL.MC
--------------------------------
divert(-1)dnl
dnl #
dnl # This is the sendmail macro config file for m4. If you make changes
to
dnl # /etc/mail/sendmail.mc, you will need to regenerate the
dnl # /etc/mail/sendmail.cf file by confirming that the sendmail-cf
package is
dnl # installed and then performing a
dnl #
dnl #     make -C /etc/mail
dnl #
include(`/usr/share/sendmail-cf/m4/cf.m4')dnl
VERSIONID(`setup for Red Hat Linux')dnl
OSTYPE(`linux')dnl
dnl #
dnl # Uncomment and edit the following line if your outgoing mail needs
to
dnl # be sent out through an external mail server:
dnl #
dnl define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.your.provider')
dnl #
define(`confDEF_USER_ID',``8:12'')dnl
dnl define(`confAUTO_REBUILD')dnl
define(`confTO_CONNECT', `1m')dnl
define(`confTRY_NULL_MX_LIST',true)dnl
define(`confDONT_PROBE_INTERFACES',true)dnl
define(`PROCMAIL_MAILER_PATH',`/usr/bin/procmail')dnl
define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases')dnl
dnl define(`STATUS_FILE', `/etc/mail/statistics')dnl
define(`UUCP_MAILER_MAX', `2000000')dnl
define(`confUSERDB_SPEC', `/etc/mail/userdb.db')dnl
define(`confPRIVACY_FLAGS',
`authwarnings,novrfy,noexpn,restrictqrun')dnl
dnl #
dnl # The following allows relaying if the user authenticates, and
disallows
dnl # plaintext authentication (PLAIN/LOGIN) on non-TLS links
dnl #
define(`confAUTH_OPTIONS',`A')
TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl
define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS',`DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl
define(`confCACERT_PATH',`/usr/share/ssl/certs')dnl
define(`confCACERT',`/usr/share/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt')dnl
define('confSERVER_CERT',`/usr/share/ssl/certs/sendmail.pem')dnl
define(`confSERVER_KEY',`/usr/share/ssl/certs/sendmail.pem')dnl
FEATURE(delay_checks)dnl
dnl # 
dnl # PLAIN is the preferred plaintext authentication method and used by
dnl # Mozilla Mail and Evolution, though Outlook Express and other MUAs
do
dnl # use LOGIN. Other mechanisms should be used if the connection is
not
dnl # guaranteed secure.
dnl #
dnl TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`EXTERNAL DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl
dnl define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `EXTERNAL GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
LOGIN PLAIN')dnl
dnl #
dnl # Rudimentary information on creating certificates for sendmail TLS:
dnl #     make -C /usr/share/ssl/certs usage
dnl #
dnl define(`confCACERT_PATH',`/usr/share/ssl/certs')
dnl define(`confCACERT',`/usr/share/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt')
dnl define(`confSERVER_CERT',`/usr/share/ssl/certs/sendmail.pem')
dnl define(`confSERVER_KEY',`/usr/share/ssl/certs/sendmail.pem')
dnl #
dnl # This allows sendmail to use a keyfile that is shared with
OpenLDAP's
dnl # slapd, which requires the file to be readble by group ldap
dnl #
dnl define(`confDONT_BLAME_SENDMAIL',`groupreadablekeyfile')dnl
dnl #
dnl define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN', `4h')dnl
dnl define(`confTO_QUEUERETURN', `5d')dnl
dnl define(`confQUEUE_LA', `12')dnl
dnl define(`confREFUSE_LA', `18')dnl
define(`confTO_IDENT', `0')dnl
dnl FEATURE(delay_checks)dnl
FEATURE(`no_default_msa',`dnl')dnl
FEATURE(`smrsh',`/usr/sbin/smrsh')dnl
FEATURE(`mailertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable.db')dnl
FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable.db')dnl
FEATURE(redirect)dnl
FEATURE(always_add_domain)dnl
FEATURE(use_cw_file)dnl
FEATURE(use_ct_file)dnl
dnl #
dnl # The -t option will retry delivery if e.g. the user runs over his
quota.
dnl #
FEATURE(local_procmail,`',`procmail -t -Y -a $h -d $u')dnl
FEATURE(`access_db',`hash -T<TMPF> -o /etc/mail/access.db')dnl
FEATURE(`blacklist_recipients')dnl
EXPOSED_USER(`root')dnl
dnl #
dnl # The following causes sendmail to only listen on the IPv4 loopback
address
dnl # 127.0.0.1 and not on any other network devices. Remove the
loopback
dnl # address restriction to accept email from the internet or intranet.
dnl #
dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp, Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl
dnl #
dnl # The following causes sendmail to additionally listen to port 587
for
dnl # mail from MUAs that authenticate. Roaming users who can't reach
their
dnl # preferred sendmail daemon due to port 25 being blocked or
redirected find
dnl # this useful.
dnl #
DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=submission, Name=MSA, M=Ea')dnl
DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp, Name=MSA, M=Ea')dnl
dnl #
dnl # The following causes sendmail to additionally listen to port 465,
but
dnl # starting immediately in TLS mode upon connecting. Port 25 or 587
followed
dnl # by STARTTLS is preferred, but roaming clients using Outlook
Express can't
dnl # do STARTTLS on ports other than 25. Mozilla Mail can ONLY use
STARTTLS
dnl # and doesn't support the deprecated smtps; Evolution <1.1.1 uses
smtps
dnl # when SSL is enabled-- STARTTLS support is available in version
1.1.1.
dnl #
dnl # For this to work your OpenSSL certificates must be configured.
dnl #
dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtps, Name=TLSMTA, M=s')dnl
dnl #
dnl # The following causes sendmail to additionally listen on the IPv6
loopback
dnl # device. Remove the loopback address restriction listen to the
network.
dnl #
dnl # NOTE: binding both IPv4 and IPv6 daemon to the same port requires
dnl #       a kernel patch
dnl #
dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`port=smtp,Addr=::1, Name=MTA-v6, Family=inet6')dnl
dnl #
dnl # We strongly recommend not accepting unresolvable domains if you
want to
dnl # protect yourself from spam. However, the laptop and users on
computers
dnl # that do not have 24x7 DNS do need this.
dnl #
dnl FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains')dnl
dnl #
dnl FEATURE(`relay_based_on_MX')dnl
dnl # 
dnl # Also accept email sent to "localhost.localdomain" as local email.
dnl # 
LOCAL_DOMAIN(`localhost.localdomain')dnl
dnl #
dnl # The following example makes mail from this host and any additional
dnl # specified domains appear to be sent from mydomain.com
dnl #
dnl MASQUERADE_AS(`mydomain.com')dnl
dnl #
dnl # masquerade not just the headers, but the envelope as well
dnl #
dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl
dnl #
dnl # masquerade not just @mydomainalias.com, but @*.mydomainalias.com
as well
dnl #
dnl FEATURE(masquerade_entire_domain)dnl
dnl #
dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(localhost)dnl
dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(localhost.localdomain)dnl
dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(mydomainalias.com)dnl
dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(mydomain.lan)dnl
MAILER(smtp)dnl
MAILER(procmail)dnl

-- 
Christopher Tyler
Operations Manager

Nexlink Communications, Inc.
http://www.nexlinkinc.net
(417) 520-0670
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From rudy at zeus.UGent.be  Thu Mar 18 13:00:27 2004
From: rudy at zeus.UGent.be (Rudy Gevaert)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:00:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] urgent: list sends lots of email to list-admin
Message-ID: <20040318120027.GA7706@zeus.UGent.be>

Hi,

Yesterday a list send a lot of mails to the list-admin.  2/3 per
second sometimes.  Now my mail access has been cut of due to that
(what's normal).  What could the problem be?  The installation has run
without trouble for over a year.

I'm using exim and the mailman in Debian Stable

Relevant logs:


2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006ej-00 <= guk-admin at student.UGent.be H=student (student.UGent.be) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=3744 id=261386219418.20040317141455 at air.spb.ru
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006el-00 <= guk-admin at student.UGent.be H=student (student.UGent.be) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=3744 id=261386219418.20040317141455 at air.spb.ru
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006ej-00 => AnnelieKuypers at hotmail.com R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006ej-00 -> Wemelboy at hotmail.com R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006ej-00 Completed
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006el-00 => JoostVanEyck at pandora.be R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006el-00 -> Tine.Knockaert at ugent.be R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006el-00 -> Katelijne.VanEyck at ugent.be R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006el-00 -> Sarah.Bruynoghe at pandora.be R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006el-00 -> Maarten.Sabbe at ugent.be R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006el-00 Completed

(above are subscribers of the list)

a bit later (no logs with guk in during 10 minutes):

mail from "guk": note: nobody sent to guk!

2004-03-17 17:24:12 1B3dq0-0006vo-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=468

sends mail to list admin: 
2004-03-17 17:24:12 1B3dq0-0006vo-00 => joostvaneyck at pandora.be R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:24:12 1B3dq0-0006vo-00 Completed
ok

and guk sends again a lot of mails:

2004-03-17 17:24:49 1B3dqb-0006xH-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=632
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqb-0006xJ-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xO-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xQ-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xV-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xb-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xg-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xj-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xr-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqb-0006xH-00 => guk <guk-admin at student.UGent.be> D=list_admin_director T=list_admin_transport
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqb-0006xH-00 Completed
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xw-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:51 1B3dqc-0006y1-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:51 1B3dqb-0006xJ-00 => guk <guk-admin at student.UGent.be> D=list_admin_director T=list_admin_transport
2004-03-17 17:24:51 1B3dqb-0006xJ-00 Completed
2004-03-17 17:24:51 1B3dqd-0006yA-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:51 1B3dqd-0006yC-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:52 1B3dqc-0006xO-00 => guk <guk-admin at student.UGent.be> D=list_admin_director T=list_admin_transport
2004-03-17 17:24:52 1B3dqc-0006xO-00 Completed
2004-03-17 17:24:52 1B3dqc-0006xV-00 => guk <guk-admin at student.UGent.be> D=list_admin_director T=list_admin_transport
2004-03-17 17:24:52 1B3dqc-0006xV-00 Completed
2004-03-17 17:24:52 1B3dqd-0006yH-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:52 1B3dqc-0006xb-00 => guk <guk-admin at student.UGent.be> D=list_admin_director T=list_admin_transport


and that goes on... and on...

What could be caussing this?

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Rudy Gevaert                rudy at zeus.UGent.be
Web page                    http://www.webworm.org
Schamper sysadmin           http://www.schamper.ugent.be
GNU/Linux user and Savannah hacker http://savannah.gnu.org

Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions - it only guarantees equality of opportunity. 
 - Irving Kristol



From noel at noelmaterna.com  Tue Mar 16 22:28:44 2004
From: noel at noelmaterna.com (Noel Materna)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:28:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email's
Message-ID: <FAEEJIDEINFGNNOLBHNCIEGECCAA.noel@noelmaterna.com>

Is there anyway to have HTML code transfer through
mailman. I have setup outlook to use HTML and stuck
an HTML ad as it were. It looks great in my email
but doesn't get sent to my list users.

Thanks Noel

As an example: 


      Yahoo! Groups Sponsor 
            ADVERTISEMENT
           
     

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Mar 18 17:23:19 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 18 Mar 2004 11:23:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add ability for admin to change email addresses
	inside List database
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040318100914.02cd4e30@pop.mindspring.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040318100914.02cd4e30@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <1079626999.4514.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 10:19, Nancy S wrote:
> Jon wrote:
> 
> 
> >I don't think anyone on Mailman-dev wants to encourage the bad practice
> >of allowing folks to be subscribed without their approval (except by the
> >list admin), so don't look for this feature to be changed in MMv3.
> 
> This may be slightly off this particular topic, but I run several mailman lists with the options:
> o) Administrator approval is required for all subscriptions
> o) No confirmation is required for subscriptions
> 
> These are relatively "closed" communities of nontechnical people, where the administrator has tight connections to the subscribers and there is some "offline" or "unstructured" confirmation that occurs outside of Mailman itself.
> 
> The problem I've been having is that there doesn't seem to be a way for the LIST ADMIN to change a subscriber's e-mail address without a confirmation (unless one goes through a subscribe/unsubscribe which risks changing user options and the user password). For these particular communities we really do not want confirmation required -- and if it's not required for the initial subscription, why is it required for the address change?
> 

That's a nice feature and a good justification for it.  I'll forward
that along to the MMv3 list and see if folks like it.

It almost trivial to write a command line tool that would change an
email address inside the list database. The harder part will be adding
it to the Admin's web form.

Jon Carnes




From BAtkins at osc.uscg.mil  Thu Mar 18 17:25:26 2004
From: BAtkins at osc.uscg.mil (Atkins, Brian)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:25:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] urgent: list sends lots of email to list-admin
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831706898283@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>

Open relay?

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Rudy Gevaert
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:00 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] urgent: list sends lots of email to list-admin


Hi,

Yesterday a list send a lot of mails to the list-admin.  2/3 per
second sometimes.  Now my mail access has been cut of due to that
(what's normal).  What could the problem be?  The installation has run
without trouble for over a year.

I'm using exim and the mailman in Debian Stable

Relevant logs:


2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006ej-00 <= guk-admin at student.UGent.be H=student
(student.UGent.be) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=3744
id=261386219418.20040317141455 at air.spb.ru
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006el-00 <= guk-admin at student.UGent.be H=student
(student.UGent.be) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=3744
id=261386219418.20040317141455 at air.spb.ru
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006ej-00 => AnnelieKuypers at hotmail.com
R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006ej-00 -> Wemelboy at hotmail.com R=smarthost
T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006ej-00 Completed
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006el-00 => JoostVanEyck at pandora.be R=smarthost
T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006el-00 -> Tine.Knockaert at ugent.be R=smarthost
T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006el-00 -> Katelijne.VanEyck at ugent.be
R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006el-00 -> Sarah.Bruynoghe at pandora.be
R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006el-00 -> Maarten.Sabbe at ugent.be R=smarthost
T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:15:04 1B3dhA-0006el-00 Completed

(above are subscribers of the list)

a bit later (no logs with guk in during 10 minutes):

mail from "guk": note: nobody sent to guk!

2004-03-17 17:24:12 1B3dq0-0006vo-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=468

sends mail to list admin: 
2004-03-17 17:24:12 1B3dq0-0006vo-00 => joostvaneyck at pandora.be R=smarthost
T=remote_smtp H=tarzan.ugent.be [157.193.40.45]
2004-03-17 17:24:12 1B3dq0-0006vo-00 Completed
ok

and guk sends again a lot of mails:

2004-03-17 17:24:49 1B3dqb-0006xH-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=632
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqb-0006xJ-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xO-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xQ-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xV-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xb-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xg-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xj-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xr-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqb-0006xH-00 => guk <guk-admin at student.UGent.be>
D=list_admin_director T=list_admin_transport
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqb-0006xH-00 Completed
2004-03-17 17:24:50 1B3dqc-0006xw-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:51 1B3dqc-0006y1-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:51 1B3dqb-0006xJ-00 => guk <guk-admin at student.UGent.be>
D=list_admin_director T=list_admin_transport
2004-03-17 17:24:51 1B3dqb-0006xJ-00 Completed
2004-03-17 17:24:51 1B3dqd-0006yA-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:51 1B3dqd-0006yC-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:52 1B3dqc-0006xO-00 => guk <guk-admin at student.UGent.be>
D=list_admin_director T=list_admin_transport
2004-03-17 17:24:52 1B3dqc-0006xO-00 Completed
2004-03-17 17:24:52 1B3dqc-0006xV-00 => guk <guk-admin at student.UGent.be>
D=list_admin_director T=list_admin_transport
2004-03-17 17:24:52 1B3dqc-0006xV-00 Completed
2004-03-17 17:24:52 1B3dqd-0006yH-00 <= guk at student.UGent.be U=guk P=local
S=633
2004-03-17 17:24:52 1B3dqc-0006xb-00 => guk <guk-admin at student.UGent.be>
D=list_admin_director T=list_admin_transport


and that goes on... and on...

What could be caussing this?

Thanks in advance,

-- 
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From jamie at silverdream.org  Thu Mar 18 17:58:05 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:58:05 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email's
In-Reply-To: <FAEEJIDEINFGNNOLBHNCIEGECCAA.noel@noelmaterna.com>
References: <FAEEJIDEINFGNNOLBHNCIEGECCAA.noel@noelmaterna.com>
Message-ID: <1079629084.1145.23.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 21:28, Noel Materna wrote:
> Is there anyway to have HTML code transfer through
> mailman. I have setup outlook to use HTML and stuck
> an HTML ad as it were. It looks great in my email
> but doesn't get sent to my list users.

That's by design, HTML mail is *evil* (and created by Satan, AKA MS). If
you don't believe me:

http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml
http://www.usethesource.com/articles/03/04/07/122224.shtml

> As an example: 
> 
> 
<snip spam>

You really think we needed that spam from Y! Groups?

Get a clue (tm), and do the Right Thing, don't spam your poor innocent
users with evil HTML spam.

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From ac-pilot at netpath.net  Thu Mar 18 18:52:16 2004
From: ac-pilot at netpath.net (Roger D Medlin)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:52:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
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From chris at schoeppi.net  Thu Mar 18 19:25:02 2004
From: chris at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:25:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Suse Standard Server 8.0
In-Reply-To: <1079617581.4059a82de407b@mail.uni-mainz.de>
References: <1079617581.4059a82de407b@mail.uni-mainz.de>
Message-ID: <20040318182502.GA2254@athlon.schoeppi.net>

Hi!

On Do, M?r 18, 2004 at 02:46:21 +0100, Dirk Allard wrote:
> I tried to get mailman running on Suse Standard Server 8.0. Installing is no 
> problem as well as creating a mailinglist and adding users. 

Have you checked the alias file for the new list?

> Sending a mail to 
> the mailinglist seems to work to the point just before the mail is spreaded to 
> the subscribers.
>  
> Mailman version: 2.0.13 using postfix 

Hmm, this version is very old. I'd use 2.1.4 if possible, if you do a 
new installation setting up a newer mailman version by hand isnt heavy.

> Some logfile snippets: 

[...]

> ---------------------------------start-------------------------------------- 
> Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/smtpd[24384]: connect from 
> mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE[134.93.178.130] 
> Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/smtpd[24384]: 245821BDE: 
> client=mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE[134.93.178.130] 
> Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/cleanup[24385]: 245821BDE: 
> message-id=<1079616889.4059a57990bf8 at mail.uni-mainz.de> 
> Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/qmgr[24188]: 245821BDE: 
> from=<allard at uni-mainz.de>, size=1323, nrcpt=1 (queue active) 
> Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/smtpd[24384]: disconnect from 
> mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE[134.93.178.130] 
> Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger spamd[897]: connection from localhost [127.0.0.1] 
> at port 40536 
> Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger spamd[24391]: processing message 
> <1079616889.4059a57990bf8 at mail.uni-mainz.de> for nobody:65534. 
> Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger spamd[24391]: clean message (-0.4/5.0) for 
> nobody:65534 in 0.1 seconds, 1330 bytes. 
> Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/pickup[24187]: 46C681BE1: uid=65534 
> from=<allard at uni-mainz.de> 
> Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/pipe[24387]: 245821BDE: 
> to=<akzentel at staudinger.chemie.uni-mainz.de>, relay=procmail, delay=0, 
> status=sent (spamfilter) 
> Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/cleanup[24385]: 46C681BE1: 
> message-id=<1079616889.4059a57990bf8 at mail.uni-mainz.de> 
> Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/qmgr[24188]: 46C681BE1: 
> from=<allard at uni-mainz.de>, size=1625, nrcpt=1 (queue active) 
> Mar 18 14:28:42 staudinger postfix/lmtp[24395]: 46C681BE1: 
> to=<akzentel at staudinger.chemie.uni-mainz.de>, relay=public/lmtp[public/lmtp], 
> delay=0, status=sent (250 2.1.5 Ok) 
> -----------------------------------end----------------------------------- 

There is no mailman command executed... Does postfix know about the 
mailman alias file? Are the listaliases in your systemwide alias file? 

Regards,
Schoeppi

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From boris at folgmann.de  Thu Mar 18 20:30:14 2004
From: boris at folgmann.de (Boris Folgmann)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:30:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix-style virtual domains broken in mailman
	2.1.1
Message-ID: <c3ctc7$9up$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hi!

I've configured mailman-2.1.1-5 (RH9 RPM) according to
README.POSTFIX.

I added to mm_cfg.py:
--------------------------------------------------------
DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'ssl.dom.ain'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.dom.ain'
# We use SSL
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

# settings for postfix
MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.dom.main']

# Are archives public or private by default?
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE    = 1    # 0=public, 1=private
--------------------------------------------------------

But Mailman is NOT adding the domain entry at the start
of the virtual-mailman file, which is required for
Postfix-style virtual domains.

Missing is

lists.dom.ain			  IGNORE

at the top, virtual-mailman only contains:
--------------------------------------------------------
[...]
# LOOP ADDRESSES START
mailman-loop at lists.dom.ain         mailman-loop
# LOOP ADDRESSES END

# STANZA START: mailman
# CREATED: Thu Mar 18 20:25:02 2004
mailman at lists.dom.ain              mailman
mailman-admin at lists.dom.ain        mailman-admin
mailman-bounces at lists.dom.ain      mailman-bounces
[...]
--------------------------------------------------------

This means that mm is configuring a sendmail-style
domain. That's not what we want. Any ideas?


cu,
	boris





From ste at smxy.org  Thu Mar 18 20:54:21 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:54:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix-style virtual domains broken in mailman
	2.1.1
In-Reply-To: <c3ctc7$9up$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <c3ctc7$9up$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4059FE6D.6040800@smxy.org>

Boris Folgmann wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I've configured mailman-2.1.1-5 (RH9 RPM) according to
> README.POSTFIX.
> ...
> But Mailman is NOT adding the domain entry at the start
> of the virtual-mailman file, which is required for
> Postfix-style virtual domains.
> 
> Missing is
> 
> lists.dom.ain			  IGNORE

You are supposed to do it yourself. This from README.POSTFIX:

     First, you need to set up the Postfix virtual alias domains as
     described in the Postfix documentation (see Postfix's virtual(5)
     manpage).  Note that it's your responsibility to include the
     "virtual-alias.domain anything" line as described manpage; Mailman
     will not include this line in virtual-mailman.  I highly encourage
     you to make sure your virtual alias domains are working properly
     before integrating with Mailman.

Note the second sentence.

	-ste



From boris at folgmann.de  Thu Mar 18 21:12:06 2004
From: boris at folgmann.de (Boris Folgmann)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:12:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Postfix-style virtual domains broken in mailman
	2.1.1
In-Reply-To: <4059FE6D.6040800@smxy.org>
References: <c3ctc7$9up$1@sea.gmane.org> <4059FE6D.6040800@smxy.org>
Message-ID: <c3cvqn$gum$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hi Shaun!

Shaun T. Erickson schrieb:

> You are supposed to do it yourself. This from README.POSTFIX:

It's not in my version. I assume you refer to the latest release.

>      manpage).  Note that it's your responsibility to include the
>      "virtual-alias.domain anything" line as described manpage; Mailman
>      will not include this line in virtual-mailman.  I highly encourage

Ok, I've already tested this, but that doesn't help much. Everytime I add a
new mailing list, genaliases is called and virtual-mailman is overwritten.
And since mailman has all information why doesn't it add the line? Should
be one line of code in Python, I assume. I would patch it myself, but I
don't know the mm code and never used Python before.

cu,
	boris





From anner at blast.com  Thu Mar 18 21:36:22 2004
From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:36:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce message with non-members
Message-ID: <EB0E11AB-791B-11D8-BE94-000A959E1C16@blast.com>

What does this message mean in the bounce log?
bounce message with non-members of ...

I have a separate list for a customer with aol addresses because of 
their very strict rules, but it appears that the bounces for that list 
are going to another lists and I'm getting these non-member messages.  
I've checked the alias for bounces and it's correct:

AOLlist-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces AOLlist"

???any ideas?

Anne




From ste at smxy.org  Thu Mar 18 22:23:08 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:23:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Postfix-style virtual domains broken in
	mailman 2.1.1
In-Reply-To: <c3cvqn$gum$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <c3ctc7$9up$1@sea.gmane.org> <4059FE6D.6040800@smxy.org>
	<c3cvqn$gum$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <405A133C.8010102@smxy.org>

Boris Folgmann wrote:

> Ok, I've already tested this, but that doesn't help much. Everytime I add a
> new mailing list, genaliases is called and virtual-mailman is overwritten.
> And since mailman has all information why doesn't it add the line? Should
> be one line of code in Python, I assume. I would patch it myself, but I
> don't know the mm code and never used Python before.

You don't add that line to virtual-mailman. You add it to your already 
pre-existing virtual_alias_maps map. Mailman is assuming that you have 
already created the domain and that it works with postfix before mailman 
comes along and simply adds some additional aliases for that domain in a 
secondary map file.

So, your main.cf should have an entry similar to this:

virtual_alias_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/mysql/valiases,
                      hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

You put the "some.dom.ain   foo" line in valiases, along with any other 
aliases for that domain (if you have any), and mailman puts the rest 
into virtual-mailman.

	-ste



From boris at folgmann.de  Thu Mar 18 22:44:19 2004
From: boris at folgmann.de (Boris Folgmann)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:44:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Postfix-style virtual domains broken in mailman
	2.1.1
In-Reply-To: <405A133C.8010102@smxy.org>
References: <c3ctc7$9up$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<4059FE6D.6040800@smxy.org>	<c3cvqn$gum$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<405A133C.8010102@smxy.org>
Message-ID: <c3d57j$vlv$1@sea.gmane.org>

Shaun T. Erickson schrieb:

> You put the "some.dom.ain   foo" line in valiases, along with any other 
> aliases for that domain (if you have any), and mailman puts the rest 
> into virtual-mailman.

Tnx, it works. I thought that the line has to be in the same file!

cu,
	boris





From ste at smxy.org  Thu Mar 18 22:48:52 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:48:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Postfix-style virtual domains broken in
	mailman 2.1.1
In-Reply-To: <c3d57j$vlv$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <c3ctc7$9up$1@sea.gmane.org>	<4059FE6D.6040800@smxy.org>	<c3cvqn$gum$1@sea.gmane.org>	<405A133C.8010102@smxy.org>
	<c3d57j$vlv$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <405A1944.8000608@smxy.org>

Boris Folgmann wrote:

> Tnx, it works. I thought that the line has to be in the same file!

Glad to be of service. Perhaps this restores some of the karma I lost by 
asking questions the past two days that were FAQ items. :)

	-ste



From dcc6pgfr at joinville.udesc.br  Fri Mar 19 09:22:28 2004
From: dcc6pgfr at joinville.udesc.br (Pedro Rosa)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:22:28 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only administrator can send messages
Message-ID: <002601c40d8b$51e93630$2c0712c8@joinville.udesc.br>

Hi,


I want to have a newsletter, so I would like to know how I can
configure my Mailman list for it only accepts messeges from
administrator and moderators. Where can I configure it?

Thanks a lot,

Pedro Gabriel de Figueiredo Rosa
Correio: dcc6pgfr at joinville.udesc.br
CCT - Centro de Ci?ncias Tecnol?gicas
UDESC - Universidade do Estado de Santa Catarina




From allard at uni-mainz.de  Fri Mar 19 12:46:32 2004
From: allard at uni-mainz.de (Dirk Allard)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:46:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Suse Standard Server 8.0
In-Reply-To: <20040318182502.GA2254@athlon.schoeppi.net>
References: <1079617581.4059a82de407b@mail.uni-mainz.de>
	<20040318182502.GA2254@athlon.schoeppi.net>
Message-ID: <1079696792.405add9887c55@mail.uni-mainz.de>

Zitat von Christian Schoepplein <chris at schoeppi.net>: 
 
Hi, 
 
> Have you checked the alias file for the new list? 
 
there is a subdirectory /etc/aliases.d which contains a mailman file with the 
aliases. This file is included in the postfix parameters. 
 
> Hmm, this version is very old. I'd use 2.1.4 if possible, if you do a  
> new installation setting up a newer mailman version by hand isnt heavy. 
 
Problem is we don't get support for our server if we use packages from outside 
the original server cd's. But is there any rpm for SuSE 8.0 with a new mailman 
version? 
 
> There is no mailman command executed... Does postfix know about the  
> mailman alias file? Are the listaliases in your systemwide alias file?  
 
Which command do I have to search for? Perhaps I included the wrong snippet. 
The listaliases are included as described above. 
 
Regards, 
 
Dirk 
--  
Dr. Dirk Allard  
Institut f?r organische Chemie	Universit?t Mainz  
Duesbergweg 10-14		55099 Mainz  



From flash at cs.moravian.edu  Fri Mar 19 16:07:41 2004
From: flash at cs.moravian.edu (Stephen Corbesero)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:07:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman be set to ignore subdomains when
	recognizing users?
Message-ID: <200403191507.i2JF7fao066919@lantern.cs.moravian.edu>


Hello.

I am just starting to use mailman at my site after a long run as a
majordomo user.  

How do I convince mailman that a user (who subscribed as
user at sub.domain.edu) posting from 'user at machine.sub.domain.edu' is a
valid user?  In majordomo, there was a per-list setting called
"mungedomain" that would do this.

Thanks in advance.



-- 
Stephen Corbesero
Associate Professor of Computer Science
Moravian College, Bethlehem, PA 18018



From jamie at silverdream.org  Fri Mar 19 16:18:17 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:18:17 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only administrator can send messages
In-Reply-To: <002601c40d8b$51e93630$2c0712c8@joinville.udesc.br>
References: <002601c40d8b$51e93630$2c0712c8@joinville.udesc.br>
Message-ID: <1079709496.907.2.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 08:22, Pedro Rosa wrote:
> I want to have a newsletter, so I would like to know how I can
> configure my Mailman list for it only accepts messeges from
> administrator and moderators. Where can I configure it?

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11


You could try looking at the FAQ first, before asking a question that's
been asked a million times over, but then again, that'd take effort...

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From embrey at hood.edu  Fri Mar 19 16:23:41 2004
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:23:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy Option Question
Message-ID: <5d2c4b4bd2eb904c95859e460ca1dde9@hermes.hood.edu>

Mailman Users List:

 

I am running mailman 2.1.1 on redhat linux 9. I have seen an address
show up in the Privacy Option / Sender Filters for the field
discard_these_nonmembers. I did not physically type this address into
this box and was wondering how it could have got there. Would bounce
processing account for this? Under what circumstances could a name
appear in this field?

 

Bruce Embrey

 

Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Systems Manager 
Campus Email Admin / NETREG : UNIX / Linux Administrator 
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927

 



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From bbands at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 19 17:20:15 2004
From: bbands at yahoo.com (BBands)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:20:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Taboo file types
Message-ID: <20040319162015.73414.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Listers,

I am migrating from Majordomo where I used the
following config entry to keep the most noxious
attachments off the list.

taboo_body = <<'END'              
/^content-type:.*(exe|zip|vbs|scr|bat|pif)/i
END      

What is the best way to restrict attachments like
these in Mailman? Please keep in mind that I want to
allow png, pdf, etc., which are necessary to the
list's purpose.

Thanks in advance,

     --jab

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www.BollingerBands.com

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From ghenry at suretecsystems.com  Fri Mar 19 17:53:51 2004
From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:53:51 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scrubber.patch dead
Message-ID: <E1DChBP-0006lD-00@Xandros.westhill.invsat.com>

Don't kow if is the right list. But my list died a few days ago, and I narrowed it down after reading the FAQ and mailing list to:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg22519.html


So I have followed this, but the patch always dies using either patch -p0 or -p1. Any chance the patch could be recreated?

Maybe with diff -urN instead?


I have a big queque in /var/spool/mailman/qfiles/shunt that I need to get rid of.

Thanks everyone.


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Director.

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From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Fri Mar 19 17:56:18 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:56:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instant Bounce Notification
Message-ID: <000701c40dd3$1946fe00$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>

How can I set MM to notify me if even a SINGLE email bounces?



From ste at smxy.org  Fri Mar 19 18:46:52 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:46:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-to question
Message-ID: <405B320C.9010102@smxy.org>

I want replies directed to the list, so I set mailman to do that - no 
problem. It seemed logical, so I also told it to strip any reply-to 
headers it found - I mean, if mailman is going to direct replies to the 
list, then what are those other reply-to's needed for, right?

My question is: what is the behavior of clients do ing a reply or 
reply-all, if I don't strip out the extra reply-to, but leave it in?

	-ste



From ste at smxy.org  Fri Mar 19 18:55:30 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:55:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] faq 3.10 question
Message-ID: <405B3412.2030805@smxy.org>

I want to enforce a text/plain posts policy, so I looked at this faq entry.

On it's face, it looks ok, but it comes at the problem backwards, which 
is hard to maintain, and makes enforcement problematical. That's because 
it lists the things to block, allowing what's not blocked to pass, which 
means when a new content type comes along, which it will, that we want 
to block, it will get onto the list until we explicitly block it.

Like good firewall design, it's better to block everything, and then 
only open holes for what you want to pass through. Then when a new 
content type comes along, it's automatically blocked, unless we 
expressly permit it. This is much safer.

How can I impliment my policy in this fashin, instead of how faq 3.10 
describes?

	-ste



From rudy at zeus.UGent.be  Thu Mar 18 18:29:38 2004
From: rudy at zeus.UGent.be (Rudy Gevaert)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:29:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] urgent: list sends lots of email to list-admin
In-Reply-To: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831706898283@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>
References: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831706898283@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>
Message-ID: <20040318172937.GA20630@zeus.UGent.be>

On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 11:25:26AM -0500, Atkins, Brian wrote:
> Open relay?

It's now fixed.  The problem was one user who had made an wrong php
script and that kept sending mails that created a loop.

The webpages run under the user id, and so I tought that mailman send
those mails.  What wasn't so.
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From marcin at dmkproject.com  Fri Mar 19 00:46:33 2004
From: marcin at dmkproject.com (Marcin Kedzia [DMK project])
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 00:46:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about strange bounces from mailman
Message-ID: <E1B47Dd-0005YU-KQ@proton.dmkhost.com>

Hi, first I want to say that I'm Polish and my english is not good but I
hope that You'll understand me :)
I ran a small hosting company and my customers using Your mailing lists and
they all got the same problem. When somebody sends message to the mailing
list, message is delivered but he is recieving bounced email saying this:

"From: Mailman-owner at proton.dmkhost.com
To: macth at flug.org.pl
Subject: Re: [FLUG] Re: confirm 1511dfe7245bb14346269b49193eb12074c5bb29
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:21:29 -0600You are not allowed to post to this
mailing list, and your message has
been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
Mailman-owner at proton.dmkhost.com."

Any ideas?

Greetings,
Marcin K?dzia
marcin at dmkproject.pl
===============================================
DMK project
Serwery wirtualne, konta pocztowe, webdesign...
http://www.dmkproject.pl  
+48501775346
===============================================






From webmaster at swishpride.org  Fri Mar 19 05:22:35 2004
From: webmaster at swishpride.org (SWiSH Webmaster)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:22:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Help
Message-ID: <002301c40d69$ce615930$1f02a8c0@Ariel>

Hi!

I am trying to set up a mailing list for my domain which uses your backend.

Is it possible to configure it so that ONLY list administrators can post to the list?
We don't want everyone on our list posting. We just want to use it as a notify feature.

If so, how?

Thank you so much for your time.

Sincerely,
Shandy Wortel
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From ray at rays-place.com  Fri Mar 19 08:27:15 2004
From: ray at rays-place.com (Ray Brown)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 02:27:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in Use
Message-ID: <405AA0D3.8040000@rays-place.com>

Another web site with Mailman in Use is:

http://www.rays-place.com

that page has a link to:
http://www.rays-place.com/mailman/listinfo/web-updates_rays-place.com

which is the email list running on Mailman.




From aaron.schaap at elevatorup.com  Fri Mar 19 02:56:31 2004
From: aaron.schaap at elevatorup.com (Aaron Schaap)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:56:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Project Help
Message-ID: <BC7FBD7F.199A%aaron.schaap@elevatorup.com>



I was just wondering what's the best way or the step's I should take to help
out on this project. I'd like to help out with some design and making the
pages compliant with XHTML and CSS.


-------------------------
Aaron Schaap
Elevator Up - Internet Consulting & Development
Phone:      616-566-1423
Web:        www.elevatorup.com
Email:      aaron.schaap at elevatorup.com




From ba612001 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 19 16:34:01 2004
From: ba612001 at yahoo.com (a ba)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:34:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The whole Mailman FAQ : entry 3.34
Message-ID: <20040319153402.69222.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com>

The whole Mailman FAQ : entry 3.34
 
3.34 How do I spoof-proof my one-way (annoucements or newsletter) list ? 
 
If you've had problems with virus-generated messages with spoofed senders getting through to a one-way list (we have), you can completely spoof-proof your list by requiring Web-based approval of every message even if it is sent by the list's moderator (the author, in case of a one-way newsletter). 
Under Privacy Options, Recipient Filters, set max_num_recipients to 1. This will cause every message posted by the moderator to require approval via the Web (Reason: too many recipients) 
If there's a hole in this logic somewhere, please let us know. 
Edit this entry / Log info / Last changed on Tue Mar 16 13:27:09 2004 by Prairienet Mailman Site Admin 

===========
 
Hello, 
 
In order to focus only on the good posts and not on virus-
generated messages for instance, is there a way to avoid 
 spoofed sender mails by using a password inside the e-mail ? 
This password only known by the moderator, should then be 
removed before sending. We use Mailman 2.1.1.
Thanks for your help.
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From tehlers at freenet.de  Fri Mar 19 23:33:33 2004
From: tehlers at freenet.de (tehlers at freenet.de)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 23:33:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Update to 2.1 - No mails are sent
Message-ID: <E1B4SYX-0003C4-QB@www8.emo.freenet-rz.de>

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From bronto at csd-bes.net  Fri Mar 19 23:43:46 2004
From: bronto at csd-bes.net (Rob Brandt)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:43:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can moderator modify posts
Message-ID: <1079736226.b71e3e190653c@horde.csd-bes.net>

I have a new mailing list where the moderator wants to modify messages before
they are sent on to the mailing list.  Is this possible?  I always assumed that
the message preview in the moderated posts page was editable, but had never
tried until now.

Rob



From texascritter at ditb.net  Fri Mar 19 23:57:33 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:57:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can moderator modify posts
References: <1079736226.b71e3e190653c@horde.csd-bes.net>
Message-ID: <02b901c40e05$91070c00$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

On Friday, March 19, 2004 4:43 PM, Rob Brandt wrote:

> I have a new mailing list where the moderator wants to modify
> messages before they are sent on to the mailing list.  Is this
> possible?  I always assumed that the message preview in the
> moderated posts page was editable, but had never tried until now.

Afaik, Mailman doesn't allow for editing messages, you can only reject or
discard it or approve it as is.

hth,
texas critter

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From Joy.Warren at warwick.ac.uk  Sat Mar 20 14:53:08 2004
From: Joy.Warren at warwick.ac.uk (Joy Warren)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:53:08 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I've downloaded the software: now what do I do?
Message-ID: <s05c4cc7.018@liberator.csv.warwick.ac.uk>

Hello
 
Mailman and Python - latest versions downloaded to hard dirve, mirror site chosen, backup software in another part of hard drive.
 
Now going around in circles.  Where is the friendly step-by-step guide to get me going?  I'm going around in circles.   <frazzled lopsided grin>  
 
How do I open Mailman?  
Can't even find a blithering .exe file.  
 
And am I doing irreparable damage to my networked computer which uses Windows XP?  
Will I be able to communicate with those on my list who are not on Windows XP within my organisation?
 
HELP !
 
Joy Warren

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From answers at healing-oils.com  Sat Mar 20 00:31:53 2004
From: answers at healing-oils.com (Healing-Oils.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:31:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question for you
Message-ID: <026501c40e0a$5e449030$f61e060a@kr03it017>

I checked the FAQ on your website and did some research to see if I could find the answer myself.  Unfortunately, I could not find what I'm looking for.

I want to know if it's possible to subscribe someone without logging into the Mailman web interface.  I have a form on my site that asks users if they want to join.  If so, I would like to make a php script that will automatically send MailMan an email that will subscribe the user.

Will this work?

Thanks.

-Rob
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From jamie at silverdream.org  Sat Mar 20 16:41:45 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:41:45 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question for you
In-Reply-To: <026501c40e0a$5e449030$f61e060a@kr03it017>
References: <026501c40e0a$5e449030$f61e060a@kr03it017>
Message-ID: <1079797305.903.3.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 23:31, Healing-Oils.com wrote:
> I want to know if it's possible to subscribe someone without logging
> into the Mailman web interface.  I have a form on my site that asks
> users if they want to join.  If so, I would like to make a php script
> that will automatically send MailMan an email that will subscribe the
> user.

As long as you've got your aliases are setup properly in your MTA, you
should be able to send an email to yourlist-subscribe at yourhost.com. It's
the same with -unsubscribe. You can also send an email to
yourlist-request with subscribe/unsubscribe in the subject.

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From dmarmon1 at comcast.net  Sat Mar 20 17:32:17 2004
From: dmarmon1 at comcast.net (Douglas Marmon)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:32:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No "welcome" or "results" messages
Message-ID: <001801c40e98$e8ae2040$6401a8c0@office>

I have established a read-only mailing list using Mailman 2.1.2.
I do not want members to post or deal with passwords or options.
I do not send any welcome message or good-bye message.
Just subscribe and unsubscribe with confirmation.
The only email the members should see is
    confirm subscription
    ... messages posted by list-owner ...
    confirm unsubscription

I have built a web-page for them to enter an email address, then click a
subscribe or unsubscribe button. Mail is sent to -request with the subscribe
or unsubscribe command.
An email confirmation is sent to the member.
He replies to the email confirmation.
He receives a message of "Results of your email commands" which says that
the confirmation worked but the rest of the message was "unprocessed". I
don't think this is a useful message and would like to stop it.
Something similar happens at unsubscribe.

How can I stop these extra "results" messages?




From texascritter at ditb.net  Sat Mar 20 17:43:09 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:43:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I've downloaded the software: now what do I do?
References: <s05c4cc7.018@liberator.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <014e01c40e9a$6dd5d820$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

On Saturday, March 20, 2004 7:53 AM, Joy Warren wrote:

> How do I open Mailman?
> Can't even find a blithering .exe file.

It's not a Windows program, that's why there's no .exe file.

> And am I doing irreparable damage to my networked computer which
> uses Windows XP?

>From the Mailman FAQ:

1.6. How do I run Mailman on Win2k (Win98, etc)
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.006.htp

Mailman is designed for Unix (or Linux) systems. It may run on Windows
systems after a lot of tweaking, but everyone recommends against it.  If
you must, you will need Python and a mail transfer agent at the least.

5.2. Will Mailman work with Windows 2000?
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.002.htp

Yes. Here are the steps required to make it work using exim as an MTA and
IIS as a web server.
Pre-requisites
Warning: This list of cygwin required components may be incomplete. Send
changes to transom at extremelogic.com.
Cygwin (www.cygwin.com)
You must set the system environment variable CYGWIN=ntsec for mailman to
work
Exim
(ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/pc/gnuwin32/cygwin/porters/Humblet_Pierre_A/
V1.1/)
Mailman (www.list.org)
Note: GNU Mailman running under cygwin on Windows 2000 cannot be used to
create private mailing lists. All mailing lists will be public.
[see url for full details]

Don't know about XP, no mention of that in the FAQ.

hth,
texas critter

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From forsythe at chem.iupui.edu  Sat Mar 20 18:28:23 2004
From: forsythe at chem.iupui.edu (Kelsey Forsythe)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:28:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install MailMan on Jaguar or upgrade to Panther?
Message-ID: <FD7B3798-7A93-11D8-9DAB-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>

I currently have Jaguar installed on an Xserve with Postfix and 
SquirrelMail running.
I'd like to use MailMan.
Can I simply install MailMan on my current OS or should i upgrade to 
Panther which includes MailMan?
My current server is running so smoothly I'd like to keep changes to a 
minimum so if there is little
difference between the two I'd just as soon install MailMan on Jaguar.

Thanks for any advice.

KF

Kelsey Forsythe, PhD
Director, Computational Molecular Science Facility
IUPUI Chemistry
LD 320
402 North Blackford St.
Indianapolis, IN 46202
Ph: 317-278-2202
Fax: 317-274-4701




From bronto at csd-bes.net  Sat Mar 20 23:14:06 2004
From: bronto at csd-bes.net (Rob Brandt)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:14:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing quoted digests
Message-ID: <1079820846.4a0416f79c19d@horde.csd-bes.net>

We have a number of low computer IQ users on a mailing list. :)

Has anyone found a strategy for preventing digest subscribers from quoting the
entire digest in their message replies?

I've already put in a 30k size limit for each message.  I don't want to take
that too much further down, since some threads with quotes could conceivebly
get that big.  I've also put a header message suggesting that they not quote
the whole digest and supply a descriptive subject, but it's being ignored.

Ideas?

Rob





From djchinita at lycos.com  Sat Mar 20 23:19:40 2004
From: djchinita at lycos.com (jessica kim)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:19:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] don't want list to be moderated
Message-ID: <LCJKPHDCPMFJJGAA@mailcity.com>

Hi,

I'm using MM 2.1.3 via a webhosting site, therefore, I don't have access to all the files with the settings for the mailing lists I've created, nor can I run scripts, etc.

The problem is very strange. I have to two mailings list, both of which have the exact same settings (but different members, of course). But for one of them I keep getting admin messages asking me to approve messages sent by the members. I don't have either of the lists to be moderated, b'c I actually couldn't find where I could set that. 

I can't find the manual for MM 2.1.3 anywhere and the one I'm using is the one for version 2.0, but it differs from 2.1.3.
For example, the 'General Posting Filters' under 'Privacy Options' listed in the guide, does not appear at all in my interface. 

I asked the webhost administrator, and he said that he ran some fix, but that if that didn't work, I would have to rebuild the mailing list. As the list has already been used, I would lose the archives. 

Please help!
JK



____________________________________________________________
Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages
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From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Sat Mar 20 23:39:06 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:39:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] don't want list to be moderated
In-Reply-To: <LCJKPHDCPMFJJGAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <405C578A.10401.3999D51@localhost>

There are two places to make sure the list is set to unmoderated.:

First make sure all memebers are set to 
unmoderated - Go to Membership Management and 
under the lists - at Additional Member Tasks there 
is a setting called "Set everyone's moderation bit, 
including those members not currently visible"  set that to off.
Then go to Privacy Options, Sender Filters,Option 
line 1, "By default, should new list member postings be 
moderated?" and set to no.  

*   As for Documentation - go to the main Mailman 
    site - http://www.list.org   and see the 
    selections under documentation.



To:             	mailman-users at python.org
Date sent:      	Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:19:40 -0500
From:           	"jessica kim" <djchinita at lycos.com>
Organization:   	Lycos Mail  (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80)
Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] don't want list to be moderated
Send reply to:  	djchinita at lycos.com
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>

> Hi,
> 
> I'm using MM 2.1.3 via a webhosting site, therefore, I don't have access to all the files with the settings for the mailing lists I've created, nor can I run scripts, etc.
> 
> The problem is very strange. I have to two mailings list, both of which have the exact same settings (but different members, of course). But for one of them I keep getting admin messages asking me to approve messages sent by the members. I don't have either of the lists to be moderated, b'c I actually couldn't find where I could set that. 
> 
> I can't find the manual for MM 2.1.3 anywhere and the one I'm using is the one for version 2.0, but it differs from 2.1.3.
> For example, the 'General Posting Filters' under 'Privacy Options' listed in the guide, does not appear at all in my interface. 
> 
> I asked the webhost administrator, and he said that he ran some fix, but that if that didn't work, I would have to rebuild the mailing list. As the list has already been used, I would lose the archives. 
> 
> Please help!
> JK
> 
> 
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages
> http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
> 
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> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

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From jamie at silverdream.org  Sat Mar 20 23:41:36 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:41:36 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question for you
In-Reply-To: <004c01c40eb0$ff936820$6401a8c0@hp>
References: <004c01c40eb0$ff936820$6401a8c0@hp>
Message-ID: <1079822496.903.11.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 19:24, Healing-Oils.com wrote:
> Won't this send a confirmation email to the user though?  If the customer
> indicates that they want to subscribe, and they provide their email address
> on my website, then I would like to be able to have my website automatically
> send off an email that will subscribe them.
> 
> So is there any way to do this so that a confirmation email is not sent to
> the end user?

See the previous thread "Stop the Confirmation E-Mail" for why this is a
*very* Bad Idea:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-March/035429.html
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-March/035441.html

A summary of the points raised:

SMTP is trivial to forge, and abuse. There is nothing to stop malicious
users subscribing all and sundry to your mailing list, thereby creating
more spam. You'll probably (hopefully) end up being blacklisted by a few
of the major DNSBL's - reducing the likelihood of any of your ML mail
getting through at all.

There are several anti-spam laws in the works that will *require*
confirmation for mailing list subscription.

It's just plain irresponsible behaviour. Read the thread for the full
discussion.

-j

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From jotm at e-club.info  Sat Mar 20 23:54:50 2004
From: jotm at e-club.info (esteve serra clavera)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 23:54:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] genaliases
Message-ID: <1079823290.30316.4.camel@perestroika>

hi all,
i'm newbie on mailman ;)
i've already installed mailman after postfix. while trying to set up
mail lists accounts, i'm unable to link those with postfix trough
genaliases because it doens't exists [!]. i really don't know why i
don't have that program. i tested 2.0.11 and 2.1.4 and neither on each
genaliases seems to appear.
how can i tell postfix to give account admin to mailman , then?
thanks in advance!




From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Sun Mar 21 00:00:21 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:00:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Variables
Message-ID: <405C5C85.30431.3AD1385@localhost>

All the information that I see posted is on how to insert variables into 
a footer.  When I try those same variables in the body of a message 
only the variable name shows.  When reply to a post I see that there 
is a line with a variable in it that does not seem to be a footer.  i.e. 

http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-
users/lloyd_tennison%40whoe
ver.com

How do I get that to work in an actual email - one that includes 
HTML?




Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

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From djchinita at lycos.com  Sun Mar 21 00:01:06 2004
From: djchinita at lycos.com (j k)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:01:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] don't want list to be moderated
Message-ID: <FIMBIINBCBIJJGAA@mailcity.com>

Thanks Lloyd,

I had those two options already set to what you suggested. I had found them before. I set them again, and still, the list continues to be moderated. 

As for the documentation, that site only has the Mailman v. 2.0 guide, but nothing from later. I'm using Mailman 2.1.3.

Any ideas as to where I can find this? Or fix this problem? 
I searched the archives before posting my first message, and couldn't find anything. 

Thanks!
JK




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From thomasc at belgaboard.com  Sun Mar 21 01:39:04 2004
From: thomasc at belgaboard.com (Thomas Carpentier)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:39:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install MailMan on Jaguar or upgrade to Panther?
In-Reply-To: <FD7B3798-7A93-11D8-9DAB-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>
References: <FD7B3798-7A93-11D8-9DAB-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>
Message-ID: <p06020413bc8294277649@[10.10.10.99]>

At 12:28 PM -0500 3/20/04, Kelsey Forsythe wrote:
>I currently have Jaguar installed on an Xserve with Postfix and 
>SquirrelMail running.
>I'd like to use MailMan.
>Can I simply install MailMan on my current OS or should i upgrade to 
>Panther which includes MailMan?
>My current server is running so smoothly I'd like to keep changes to 
>a minimum so if there is little
>difference between the two I'd just as soon install MailMan on Jaguar.
>
>Thanks for any advice.

See http://www.afp548.com/Articles/Jaguar/mailman21-new.html a 
detailed article on installing Python and mailman on a jaguar server



From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Sun Mar 21 04:09:54 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:09:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question for you
In-Reply-To: <1079797305.903.3.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>
References: <026501c40e0a$5e449030$f61e060a@kr03it017>
Message-ID: <405C9702.502.4918910@localhost>

The line yourlist-subscribe at yourhost.com, does not seem to work 
for me, while the line sent to request does.  Since Mailman creates 
all the aliases itself - (installs them in CPanel) there must be an 
alias it did not create.  Any ideas?

The aliases created were:

owner-listsname at domaian which forwarded to listname-
admin at domain.  

The listname-admin does not exist. Does that automatically forward 
to the address in the owner box under general options?



Subject:        	Re: [Mailman-Users] Question for you
From:           	Jamie Penman-Smithson <jamie at silverdream.org>
To:             	"Healing-Oils.com" <answers at healing-oils.com>
Organization:   	New-World Publishing
Date sent:      	Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:41:45 +0000
Copies to:      	mailman-users at python.org
Send reply to:  	jamie at silverdream.org
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>

> On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 23:31, Healing-Oils.com wrote:
> > I want to know if it's possible to subscribe someone without logging
> > into the Mailman web interface.  I have a form on my site that asks
> > users if they want to join.  If so, I would like to make a php script
> > that will automatically send MailMan an email that will subscribe the
> > user.
> 
> As long as you've got your aliases are setup properly in your MTA, you
> should be able to send an email to yourlist-subscribe at yourhost.com. It's
> the same with -unsubscribe. You can also send an email to
> yourlist-request with subscribe/unsubscribe in the subject.
> 
> -- 
> -jamie <jamie at silverdream.org> | spamtrap: spam at silverdream.org
>  w: http://silverdream.org | p: sms at silverdream.org
>  pgp key @ http://silverdream.org/~jps/pub.key
>  15:30:01 up  1:32,  1 user,  load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.03
> 


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

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From tehlers at freenet.de  Sun Mar 21 12:08:06 2004
From: tehlers at freenet.de (Torsten Ehlers)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:08:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default language and contact address
Message-ID: <405D7796.2060006@freenet.de>

Hi,

I'm running Mailman 2.1.4. I changed the default languages of my lists, 
so the list info pages are not displayed in English. The introductory 
Mailman page that can be seen at myURL/mailman/listinfo, however, is 
still in English. Can I change that language, too?

And another question. On this page Mailman says:"If you are having 
trouble using the lists, please contact mailman at www.[myURL]". This is 
not a valid email address on my system (the "www" is wrong). I don't 
know where Mailman got this from. How can I change that address?

Thanks a lot!

Torsten



From donamble at srt.com  Sat Mar 20 23:36:46 2004
From: donamble at srt.com (donamble)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:36:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowed Senders
Message-ID: <200403202236.i2KMaia6028708@bass2.srtnet.com>

Bryonamble at hotmail.com

 

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From theplinth at mail.com  Sun Mar 21 03:24:04 2004
From: theplinth at mail.com (Tim Plinth)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:24:04 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web based mail users and "Reply-to-field"
Message-ID: <000a01c40eeb$95fc9b80$0401a8c0@p200>

Hi,

I'm setting up a mailing list using mailman. However I will have a lot of
users who use web based email. I am wanting to keep archives and keep them
in threads so they look all nice and are easy to read. However, I noticed
that a lot of web based mailers dont support the "In-Reply-To" field. So the
messages will all go out of wack. Is there a way around this?

Cheers,
Tim Plinth




From mckeebeach at att.net  Sun Mar 21 03:20:04 2004
From: mckeebeach at att.net (Jim Beach)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:20:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost mailman mailing list
Message-ID: <000f01c40eeb$062afb00$49c44a0c@7ixce>

Hi I surely hope you can help me.

I had a mailing list setup called damjamfans located at damjambicycletour.com. I just transferred my site to a different cpanel host. One of the last things I've done is check my mailing list adn I found it missing. I set up a new one at the new host but used a different password than at the old host. I opened it to see if my original members list was intact but it wasn't. I deleted the new list and went to the old host cpanel to see if I could find the members list but I got a message that damjamfans does not exist. I fear I deleted the original.

Do you have a backup available?
Do you have any suggestions of what I should do?

Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks.
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From boris at folgmann.de  Sun Mar 21 17:10:57 2004
From: boris at folgmann.de (Boris Folgmann)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:10:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: genaliases
In-Reply-To: <1079823290.30316.4.camel@perestroika>
References: <1079823290.30316.4.camel@perestroika>
Message-ID: <c3keqi$sac$1@sea.gmane.org>

esteve serra clavera schrieb:

> genaliases because it doens't exists [!]. i really don't know why i

Call it with full path, e.g. /var/mailman/bin/genaliases. Path may be
different for your installation.

cu,
	boris





From ghenry at suretecsystems.com  Sun Mar 21 18:18:50 2004
From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:18:50 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scrubber patch
Message-ID: <200403211718.59601.ghenry@suretecsystems.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Don't know if this is the right list. But our own list died a few days ago,
and I narrowed it down after reading the FAQ and mailing list to:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg22519.html


So I have followed this, but the patch always dies using either patch -p0 or
- -p1. Any chance the patch could be recreated?

Maybe with diff -urN instead?


I have a big queque in /var/spool/mailman/qfiles/shunt that I need to get rid
of :-)

Thanks everyone.


- -- 
Kind Regards,

Gavin Henry.
Director.

Open Source. Open Solutions.
http://www.suretecsystems.com/contact
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From james at loowit.net  Sun Mar 21 19:42:33 2004
From: james at loowit.net (James T Perkins)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:42:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default language and contact address
In-Reply-To: <E1B56JO-0005Xx-Vc@mail.python.org>
References: <E1B56JO-0005Xx-Vc@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <405DE219.80401@loowit.net>

Torsten Ehlers <tehlers at freenet.de> writes:

> Mailman says:"If you are having trouble using the lists, please 
> contact mailman at www.[myURL]". This is not a valid email address on my 
> system (the "www" is wrong). I don't know where Mailman got this from. 
> How can I change that address?

For what it's worth, the debian package installer for mailman suggests 
setting up a "mailman at www.[myURL]" mailing list to handle this address. 
That's what I have done on my mailman installations, anyway...

Cheers,
James




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Mon Mar 22 00:43:26 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:43:26 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scrubber patch
In-Reply-To: <200403211718.59601.ghenry@suretecsystems.com>
References: <200403211718.59601.ghenry@suretecsystems.com>
Message-ID: <405E289E.6050700@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

What version of mailman are you using?
The patch may not work if the version doesn't match.


Gavin Henry wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Don't know if this is the right list. But our own list died a few days ago,
> and I narrowed it down after reading the FAQ and mailing list to:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg22519.html
> 
> 
> So I have followed this, but the patch always dies using either patch -p0 or
> - -p1. Any chance the patch could be recreated?
> 
> Maybe with diff -urN instead?
> 
> 
> I have a big queque in /var/spool/mailman/qfiles/shunt that I need to get rid
> of :-)

May be you can "rm -f /var/spool/mailman/qfiles/shunt/*" just to
get rid of the queue files and ask the list members to re-post
important messages ;-)

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From dann at thelinuxlink.net  Mon Mar 22 04:21:11 2004
From: dann at thelinuxlink.net (dann)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:21:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] link to archives not complete
In-Reply-To: <20040318031844.4a52023f@inferno.thelinuxlink.net>
References: <20040318031844.4a52023f@inferno.thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040321222111.5311963e@inferno.thelinuxlink.net>

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 03:18:44 -0500
dann <dann at thelinuxlink.net> wrote:

> I just upgraded from mailman 2.0.13 to 2.1.4 and everything is working
> great, except for one minor quark with the links to the archives.  If I
> visit the listinfo or admin pages, the link to the archive is not
> complete.  For instance, for my lvlug list I see this:
> 
> www.mydomain/pipermail
> 
> where I should be seeing this:
> 
> www.mydomain/pipermail/lvlug
> 
> I am baffled on how to fix this.  All the other links seem to work fine,
> it seems as if the value MM-List-Name is not being set or passed
> correctly.
> 
> Any suggestions on correcting this?
> 

Haha! I found it.

In my mm_cfg.py there was this:

PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail'

It was overriding the correct value in Defaults.py.  After removing this
line the links showed up correctly.



-- 
Dann S. Washko
Lehigh Valley Linux Users Group
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From jcb_dreamvsat at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 22 10:34:42 2004
From: jcb_dreamvsat at yahoo.com (Jefferson Briones)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:34:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating mailman and postfix
Message-ID: <20040322093442.58778.qmail@web42004.mail.yahoo.com>

Guys,

after insatlling mailman with this tutorial, i got
lost.
when i visited my site and subscribe dont know what to
do next.how can i integrate it with postfix?
any tutorials there?.Im runnin RH9

   rpm -ivh mailman-2.0.8-1.i386.rpm

Download:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat/updates/current/en/os/i386/mailman-2.0.8-1.i386.rpm

RPM Notes:


    * The RPM creates a sendmail user. (and entries in
the files /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/gshadow,
/etc/group)

    mailman:x:41:41:GNU Mailing List
Manager:/var/mailman:/bin/false
    

    * Apache configuration file additions:
/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf

..
...
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
<Directory /var/mailman/archives>
    Options +FollowSymlinks
</Directory>
<Directory /var/mailman/cgi-bin">
    AllowOverride None
    Options +ExecCGI
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>
...
..
    

   
    [root prompt]# cd /var/mailman/cron
    [root prompt]# crontab -u mailman crontab.in
    

     
   1. Change defaults file:
/var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
      Change:

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'localhost'
DEFAULT_URL       = 'http://localhost/mailman/'

   2. Create a mailing list:

[root prompt]# cd /var/mailman
[root prompt]# bin/newlist test           - Creates a
mailing list called test.
               Enter the email address of the person
running the list:
               Initial test password:    - Type it
correctly. There is no verification!

  
test:                    "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper
post test"
test-admin:              "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper
mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper
mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

     

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From boris at folgmann.de  Mon Mar 22 11:02:47 2004
From: boris at folgmann.de (Boris Folgmann)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:02:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: integrating mailman and postfix
In-Reply-To: <20040322093442.58778.qmail@web42004.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040322093442.58778.qmail@web42004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c3mdk8$jcf$1@sea.gmane.org>

Jefferson Briones schrieb:

> do next.how can i integrate it with postfix?

Read /usr/share/doc/mailman*/README.POSTFIX

I rebuilt the mailman-2.1.4-1 RPM from Fedora Core for RH8. Should be
possible on RH9, too.

cu,
	boris





From support at cyberachievers.biz  Mon Mar 22 02:21:08 2004
From: support at cyberachievers.biz (Cyber Achievers Support)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:21:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] questions about mailman
Message-ID: <NGBBJAAPGLADDNNNGIFIAELKHLAA.support@cyberachievers.biz>

Hi

Does mailman offer multi-user autoresponder - e.g. can my members each get
their own mailing list and manage it online with this nice looking system?

Thanks

Christine Hart
Managing Director


www.cyberachievers.biz
+27313037714 Bus. Hrs: Mon to Fr 8:00am to 4:00pm

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From andyk at spunge.org  Mon Mar 22 01:31:36 2004
From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:31:36 -0600 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How could be forwarded moderated post with
	moderator's comments?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403211830170.16251@chi.spunge.org>

Is that possible to forward moderated post along with moderator's comments to
another address (at the moment posts are forwarded without those comments -
posts with moderator's comments go only to authors of moderated posts, and
cannot be forwarded anywhere else with those comments).

ak




From andyk at spunge.org  Mon Mar 22 01:53:44 2004
From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:53:44 -0600 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail
 headers distributed by Mailman?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403211853140.16251@chi.spunge.org>

Hi!

Is there any way to setup mailman to stop distributing X-Confirm-Reading-
To requests sent by some list users?
One user has unsubscribed from my list just because it was distributed
over the list.

Regards
ak



From andyk at spunge.org  Mon Mar 22 01:55:57 2004
From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:55:57 -0600 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can moderators have access to Membership management
	options?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403211853460.16251@chi.spunge.org>

I wish that moderators have access to Membership management options, but
not to all other options available to list-owner.
Is that possible?
If not could it be included in the next Mailman edition?

Would be also good if they could edit posts before approving, and not only
reject or discard them.

ak



From me at remo.net  Mon Mar 22 14:58:54 2004
From: me at remo.net (Remo Campopiano)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:58:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help?
Message-ID: <002401c41015$d0f65a20$6401a8c0@REMOSLAPTOP>

Is this a place to ask for help setting up Mailman lists?
 
If so here is my problem:
 
I set up a Mailman list via my web hosting service, NetNation, and it
seems to work.
 
But when I try to customize anything it asks for a List Adminitrator
Password. 
 
Since it did not ask me to create a password when setting up the List, I
assume the password must be one of the ones given to me by NetNation.
 
None of them work..
 
I feel locked out of my own list ;-[
 
Remo Campopiano               508-336-5988
133 Hammond Street
Seekonk, MA 02771             http://remo.net <http://remo.net/> 
 
 <http://remo.net>  
 
 
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From maillist at pharmacy.pitt.edu  Mon Mar 22 15:43:37 2004
From: maillist at pharmacy.pitt.edu (Thomas Waters)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:43:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global settings for all lists on a server
Message-ID: <4D769A8C-7C0F-11D8-A836-000393BB8C90@pharmacy.pitt.edu>

I am familiar with adding non-member senders to discard/ reject/ ect. 
lists  for individual lists.  Is there a way to add users more globally 
than that- so that somemember at somesite.com is set to discard from all 
lists?

Thx,
--
Thomas Waters
Director of Information and Communication Services
University of Pittsburgh, School of Pharmacy
rxweb at pitt.edu
http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu




From texascritter at ttlg.net  Mon Mar 22 18:33:48 2004
From: texascritter at ttlg.net (texascritter at ttlg.net)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:33:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help?
Message-ID: <1079976828.405f237cd6d8f@www.ttlg.net>

On Monday, March 22, 2004 7:58 AM, Remo Campopiano wrote:

> Is this a place to ask for help setting up Mailman lists?

This list is generally for people who are server admins and have installed
(or want to install) Mailman on their server.  There's another list for
people who aren't server admins but can create lists and manage them:

Mailman Listowners
http://listowner.org/

> I set up a Mailman list via my web hosting service, NetNation, and
> it seems to work.
> But when I try to customize anything it asks for a List
> Adminitrator Password.
> Since it did not ask me to create a password when setting up the
> List, I assume the password must be one of the ones given to me by
> NetNation.

Did you contact NetNation about this?  This sounds more like an issue with
how they've set up your hosting account or their server and they should be
able to help you.

hth,
texas critter

--
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/





From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Tue Mar 23 00:58:21 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:58:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing to MIME format in digests for existing
	lists. 
Message-ID: <405F7D9D.2020107@state.or.us>

Is there a way (possibly using withlist) to change all existing lists in 
batch so that  the digests use MIME as the default format? I am able to 
change the defaults for each new list in the mm_cfg.py. Come to think of 
it, I wonder if there are other global changes to all lists that can be 
done with withist?

Christopher Adams




From bernstein at cesmail.net  Tue Mar 23 06:37:12 2004
From: bernstein at cesmail.net (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 05:37:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments MIA?
Message-ID: <c3oie7$s1o$1@sea.gmane.org>

I am the list admin for one Mailman(2.1.2) list on a system
wherein I do not have root access. Messages sent with attachments
appear to vanish, with some "getting through" and others not. This
doesn't seem to be a function of the attachment type, or the
sender's MUA.

Then, in a gush, a whole bunch of them will appear at once, with
attachments intact! The system owner doesn't understand the
problem, but says that running a 'check_perms' script seems to fix
it temporarily. (I've asked him if his running that script freed
up that whole bunch of "lost" messages with attachments, but I
haven't heard back from him yet...)

I have content filtering 'on', max message length set to 150K, no
entries in filter_mime_types, and the following in pass_mime_types:

multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain
text/html
image/gif
image/jpeg
image/png
audio/x-wav

We like attachments (not too big, please) on this list! Therefore,
any suggestions would be most welcome indeed...we're trying to
make good an escape from Yahoo.


Best regards,

-- 
Bob Bernstein

   "A modern philosopher who has never once suspected himself of being a
    charlatan must be such a shallow mind that his work is probably not
    worth reading."                            Leszek Kolakowski





From hennie at sabinet.co.za  Tue Mar 23 08:03:51 2004
From: hennie at sabinet.co.za (Hennie Rautenbach)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:03:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman slow all of a sudden
Message-ID: <405FE157.6080305@sabinet.co.za>

Hi there,

I am running 4 different mailman lists on a Debian Linux box using 
mailman-2.1.4 with postfix as the MTA.

Three of the mailing lists are low subscribers and one has about 200 
subscribers. Since last week all of a sudden I am having problems with
the 200 sub mailing list. The others are fine. Posts take a few hours to 
appear whereas with the others they are near instantaneous. I also have 
symptoms of browser hangs when trying to access the administrative 
interface. Shutting down mailman and clearing the locks doesn't clear 
the problem. There is still a significant delay after a restart.

Question. Where can I start looking to determine what is introducing the 
delay in the queue ? Is there a way to determoine if something is stuck 
in the queue somewhere that needs to be removed manually ?

Do any of you have any pointers of where the culprit may be ? It seems 
very strange that posts were processed almost immediately a few days ago 
and now they take forever ?

Looking forward to your advice.

Best regards,

Hennie

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From southen at pipeline.com  Tue Mar 23 09:21:25 2004
From: southen at pipeline.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=BDB=EE=B6?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_=A7=BA=B5th=A3=D1=BD?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 00:21:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving emails....
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040322235409.037fa5f0@breezehosting.com>

I know other people probably ask this a lot, but I'm having a problem and 
all the self help sites aren't working!

I installed Mailman.  Everything seems to be running - the lists set up, I 
can access them on the web, etc. - but when I send emails to the list, no 
emails are delivered.  When I type "top" at the bash prompt, I see 
everything from Mailman seems to be running ok too.

I did type some troubleshoot command that I found online, and it said I had 
8 permission errors.  Do you think that's the problem?  I closed the web 
browser, and so I no longer can seem to find on the internet the command I 
used to find those errors.  BTW I did set up the list by creating a main 
password, I think I also indexed or whatever the list.

I suppose it is the permission errors.  How would I fix these?

I'm ruinning RH9, Plesk 6.0, installed Mailman 2.1.1-5 as an RPM

Thanks!!!


"The superior man seeks [room for improvement or occasion to blame] in 
himself; the inferior man seeks it in others."
         -K'ung Fu-Tzu, 'Great Learning', Ch. 9, v. 15:20


                 "Conscience is the chamber of justice."
                                 -Origen


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From bernstein at cesmail.net  Tue Mar 23 14:38:08 2004
From: bernstein at cesmail.net (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:38:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Attachments MIA?
References: <c3oie7$s1o$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <c3pek0$1c5$1@sea.gmane.org>

Bob Bernstein <bernstein at cesmail.net> wrote:

> Then, in a gush, a whole bunch of them will appear at once, with
> attachments intact! The system owner doesn't understand the
> problem, but says that running a 'check_perms' script seems to fix
> it temporarily. (I've asked him if his running that script freed
> up that whole bunch of "lost" messages with attachments, but I
> haven't heard back from him yet...)

My sysadmin now tells me that running Mailman's 'unshunt' command
frees up messages w/attachments that have become stuck.

Is there any way to prevent these message from getting 'shunted'
in the first place?


-- 
Bob Bernstein

   "A modern philosopher who has never once suspected himself of being a
    charlatan must be such a shallow mind that his work is probably not
    worth reading."                            Leszek Kolakowski





From lthao at elmbrook.org  Tue Mar 23 17:24:34 2004
From: lthao at elmbrook.org (Lee Thao)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender Filter by domain?
Message-ID: <200403231624.i2NGOg7U027218@linuxmail.elmbrook.org>

Can you allow senders to a list by domain instead of individual email
addresses?  I have my list set to hold non-member posts but I would like to
add everyone from our domain to the poster list, including those not members
of the list.

Lee.




From anner at blast.com  Tue Mar 23 17:31:32 2004
From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:31:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instant Bounce Notification
In-Reply-To: <000701c40dd3$1946fe00$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
References: <000701c40dd3$1946fe00$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
Message-ID: <8B944DFF-7CE7-11D8-91D5-000A959E1C16@blast.com>

I think if you set the bounce score threshold to .5 it will 
disable/remove on even 1 soft bounce.

Anne
On Mar 19, 2004, at 11:56 AM, Mike Phillips wrote:

> How can I set MM to notify me if even a SINGLE email bounces?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From denlistes at altern.org  Tue Mar 23 20:34:04 2004
From: denlistes at altern.org (Denis)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:34:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] some lists are down
Message-ID: <1080070444.1624.12.camel@den>

Hi,

I have some lists who are down and i can't find where is the problem.

Can someone help me ?

There is my error message.

Thanks 
Denis


Mar 23 19:43:35 2004 (31096) Uncaught runner exception: expected string,
unicode found
Mar 23 19:43:36 2004 (31096) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in
_dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in
_dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in
process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in
send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in
send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 296, in
process
    t = part.get_payload(decode=1)
  File
"/root/mailman-2.1.1/debian/mailman/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 187, in get_payload
  File
"/root/mailman-2.1.1/debian/mailman/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 39, in _qdecode
TypeError: expected string, unicode found
 
Mar 23 19:43:36 2004 (31096) SHUNTING:
1080067414.30584+82afa209072fdb34579d33f697e18e66f5e28888




From ghenry at suretecsystems.com  Tue Mar 23 21:06:01 2004
From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:06:01 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] some lists are down
In-Reply-To: <1080070444.1624.12.camel@den>
References: <1080070444.1624.12.camel@den>
Message-ID: <200403232006.01130.ghenry@suretecsystems.com>

On Tuesday 23 Mar 2004 19:34, Denis wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have some lists who are down and i can't find where is the problem.
>
> Can someone help me ?
>
> There is my error message.
>

This has crippled my company list too.

See:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg22519.html


For solutions, although, the patch never worked for me.



-- 
Kind Regards,

Gavin Henry.
Director.

Open Source. Open Solutions.
http://www.suretecsystems.com/contact



From embrey at hood.edu  Tue Mar 23 21:30:40 2004
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:30:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error whe sending to my mailman lists 
Message-ID: <1960d0fe3a78d448a2ed4638cfa8c66c@hermes.hood.edu>

I am getting this error when trying to send messages to this list. It
happens to all my lists now. Prior to today the lists were running fine.
I am running mailman 2.1.1.

 

 

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post it"

    (reason: 126)

    (expanded from: <it at helios.hood.edu>)

 

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----

sh: line 1: /var/mailman/mail/mailman: Permission denied

554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 126

 

 

Bruce Embrey

 

Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Systems Manager 
Campus Email Admin / NETREG : UNIX / Linux Administrator 
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927

 



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From jsingh at fdu.edu  Tue Mar 23 21:43:05 2004
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:43:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footers
Message-ID: <000b01c41117$74662df0$7d0bee84@FDUJACK>

Hi
 When I send an attachement, why does the footer come as an attachement if I
use rich text or html format?  what do I need to do for the footer to appear
normally at the end of the body of the message rather than as an
attachement.
thanks


Jaskaran Singh
University Systems & Security
Fairleigh Dickinson University
1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01
Teaneck, NJ 07666

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From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Wed Mar 24 00:27:22 2004
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:27:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: footers
In-Reply-To: <000b01c41117$74662df0$7d0bee84@FDUJACK>
References: <000b01c41117$74662df0$7d0bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <20040323232722.GN13937@hq.newdream.net>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 03:43:05PM -0500, jsingh wrote:

> When I send an attachement, why does the footer come as an attachement if I
> use rich text or html format?  what do I need to do for the footer to appear
> normally at the end of the body of the message rather than as an
> attachement.

I'm pretty sure there's no way to do this. Mailman doesn't want to mess
with the individual parts of MIME messages, so in version 2.1 and later,
it adds an additional attachment with the footer in it. I don't think
there's really a better workaround for this (other than not to send rich
text or HTML mail :>).

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Wed Mar 24 01:14:11 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:14:11 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] some lists are down
In-Reply-To: <200403232006.01130.ghenry@suretecsystems.com>
References: <1080070444.1624.12.camel@den>
	<200403232006.01130.ghenry@suretecsystems.com>
Message-ID: <4060D2D3.5090303@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

The tracker has two versions of scrubber patch now.

1. scrubber.patch for revised version.
    Note that this patches Defaults.py.in also. So that you have to
    go up to Mailman directory and issue patch -p2 < scrubber.patch.
    (or was it -p1 or -p0 ? just try!)

2. older Scrubber.py.patch.
    This applies in Mailman/Handler directory.

I believe older version is sufficient for most of the cases.

Gavin Henry wrote:

> On Tuesday 23 Mar 2004 19:34, Denis wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have some lists who are down and i can't find where is the problem.
>>
>>Can someone help me ?
>>
>>There is my error message.
>>
> 
> 
> This has crippled my company list too.
> 
> See:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg22519.html
> 
> 
> For solutions, although, the patch never worked for me.
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From jason at intervis.com.au  Wed Mar 24 02:33:25 2004
From: jason at intervis.com.au (Jason Marty)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:33:25 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email footer
Message-ID: <BC873095.6B33%jason@intervis.com.au>

Does anyone know how to change the email footer ? I cannot find it in
templates.

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From boris at folgmann.de  Wed Mar 24 12:11:33 2004
From: boris at folgmann.de (Boris Folgmann)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:11:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: footers
In-Reply-To: <000b01c41117$74662df0$7d0bee84@FDUJACK>
References: <000b01c41117$74662df0$7d0bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <c3rqd6$lr5$1@sea.gmane.org>

jsingh schrieb:
>  When I send an attachement, why does the footer come as an attachement if I
> use rich text or html format?  what do I need to do for the footer to appear
> normally at the end of the body of the message rather than as an
> attachement.

According to the mm developers it's the only (easy) safe way to add the footer.

To have the footers really appended to your text:
1. Configure your MUA to send plant text emails.
2. Set the default language of your mailing list on the mm admin page to
English/US-ASCII.

It's funny that this solution also works with non ASCII characters, e.g.
german Umlauts (ISO-8859-1), but only if you use English as default
language, not german.


cu,
	boris





From boris at folgmann.de  Wed Mar 24 12:17:00 2004
From: boris at folgmann.de (Boris Folgmann)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:17:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Email footer
In-Reply-To: <BC873095.6B33%jason@intervis.com.au>
References: <BC873095.6B33%jason@intervis.com.au>
Message-ID: <c3rqnd$mgo$2@sea.gmane.org>

Jason Marty schrieb:
> Does anyone know how to change the email footer ? I cannot find it in
> templates.

On your list's admin page.





From boris at folgmann.de  Wed Mar 24 12:16:18 2004
From: boris at folgmann.de (Boris Folgmann)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:16:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman slow all of a sudden
In-Reply-To: <405FE157.6080305@sabinet.co.za>
References: <405FE157.6080305@sabinet.co.za>
Message-ID: <c3rqm3$mgo$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hennie Rautenbach schrieb:

> Question. Where can I start looking to determine what is introducing the 
> delay in the queue ? Is there a way to determoine if something is stuck 
> in the queue somewhere that needs to be removed manually ?

Run mailq and check if there's really something in the queue.

> Do any of you have any pointers of where the culprit may be ? It seems 
> very strange that posts were processed almost immediately a few days ago 
> and now they take forever ?

The mailserver of some receivers could be down. Check /var/log/maillog for
any errors.

Check your server with top if some other program is stalling your CPU.
If nothing helps, check the Postfix+Mailman-Tuning HOWTO (ask google).
May be your machine should deliver more mails in parallel.

cu,
	boris





From boris at folgmann.de  Wed Mar 24 12:18:28 2004
From: boris at folgmann.de (Boris Folgmann)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:18:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: footers
In-Reply-To: <20040323232722.GN13937@hq.newdream.net>
References: <000b01c41117$74662df0$7d0bee84@FDUJACK>
	<20040323232722.GN13937@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <c3rqq6$mrb$1@sea.gmane.org>

Will Yardley schrieb:

> it adds an additional attachment with the footer in it. I don't think
> there's really a better workaround for this (other than not to send rich
> text or HTML mail :>).

Use a good MUA (NOT Outlook) that display this INLINE attachment really
inline. E.g. mozilla renders only a <hr> between the mail and footer text.

cu,
	boris





From sean at 77002.com  Wed Mar 24 14:09:11 2004
From: sean at 77002.com (Sean Carnahan)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:09:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML
Message-ID: <E1B688G-0000j2-F2@mars.hostingapi.com>

Hello,
 
I have read that people can send HTML emails via mailman, yet I cannot.
I have read the info, checked off to NOT strip html into pain text, yet when
I get email sent it puts all the web based pics into the attachment box and
send a plain looking email.
 
is there any way to send HTML template email to my newsletter list via
mailman, with pictures and colors and backgrounds not stripped off?
 
I am using version 2.1.3
 
thanks!!
 
Sean
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From david at thekramers.net  Wed Mar 24 14:24:56 2004
From: david at thekramers.net (David Kramer)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:24:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What generates the index.html?
Message-ID: <200403240824.58233.david@thekramers.net>

I run about eight mailman lists on my server. I noticed that the archive
 files are being created, but the index.html file that links to the monthly
 archives is not being generated, so there were only links to older months. 
 What process is supposed to generate these?  There must be some cron entry
 or other that I'm missing. /etc/cron.d/mailman has:
0 8 * * * mailman /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs
0 9 * * * mailman /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
0 12 * * * mailman /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests
0 5 1 * * mailman /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * mailman /usr/bin/python -S
 /usr/lib/ mailman/cron/gate_news
27 3 * * * mailman /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
57 3 * * * mailman /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives

When I try to run nightly_archives by hand, it says "No archives to
 process.". I noticed that the script attempts to open
 mm_cfg.EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE, but no such file exists on my system.  Is
 mailman supposed to create/update that file whenever a list gets a post?

Background:  Suse 9.0 Professional, mailman-2.1.2-44.

First post to the list; sorry if this has been covered.

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From michaelw at flexi-data.com  Tue Mar 23 01:52:48 2004
From: michaelw at flexi-data.com (Michael Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:52:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman will not deliver mail
Message-ID: <ALEIIPEDLFAPNFFLBCEHKEDBCAAA.michaelw@flexi-data.com>

I am having an extremely hard to getting mailman to work.

I am running:

FreeBSD 4.8
Qmail
Mailman 2.1
Apache 1.3

I have tried installing with ports and through source but I get stuck at the
same place. Mailmain will send mail for notifications, list subscriptions
confirmations and welcomes but will not relay an mail posted to a lists.

I am running a virtualdomain (lists.pipelogix.com) for Mailman on Qmail. I
get no errors anywhere that I can find. The mail comes in but just does not
go out.

Any help I can get will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Michael




From jgrunder at miis.edu  Tue Mar 23 02:15:02 2004
From: jgrunder at miis.edu (John Grunder)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:15:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix problem: Unknown local recipient. Mailman
	2.1.4
Message-ID: <fc.006640e002a77e1b006640e002a77e1b.2a77ede@miis.edu>

I have just upgraded from Mailman 2.1.1 to 2.1.4 using an RPM for Mandrake
9, and am now getting the following warning log when I try to post to one
of the lists:

Mar 22 19:38:57 listserv postfix/smtpd[1664]: 761933AAD:
client=unknown[192.168.1.40]
Mar 22 19:38:57 listserv postfix/smtpd[1664]: 761933AAD: reject: RCPT from
unknown[192.168.1.40]: 450 <miis-la-alumni at listserv.miis.edu>: User
unknown in local recipient table; from=<jgrunder at miis.edu> proto=ESMTP
helo=<mail.miis.edu>
Mar 22 19:38:58 listserv postfix/smtpd[1664]: disconnect from
unknown[192.168.1.40]

Does anyone know what might be going on here?

I have checked the mm_cfg.py file and it contains the MTA = 'Postfix'
line, and have checked the Postfix main.cf file and it contains the
correct reference to /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases in its
local_recipient_maps line.  I even check the alias list using Webadmin and
the miis-la-alumni aliases show up there.  Postfix simply seems to be
rejecting miis-la-alumni as a valid local recipient. 

Any ideas on this?




From john at crockford.org  Tue Mar 23 18:03:38 2004
From: john at crockford.org (John Crockford)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:03:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation GUI
Message-ID: <074EEC67-7CEC-11D8-965A-0003937FF790@crockford.org>

Does anyone know of a program that will install mailman on a UNIX 
serverwithout knowing UNIX? I found one that installed MacGimp on my 
iMac and it worked great. Any suggestions?

John Crockford




From jsingh at fdu.edu  Tue Mar 23 21:33:55 2004
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:33:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footers
Message-ID: <00b601c41116$2c742b60$7d0bee84@FDUJACK>

Hi
 When I send an attachement, why does the footer come as an attachement ?
what do I need to do for the footer to appear normally at the end of the
body of the message rather than as an attachement.
thanks

Jaskaran Singh
University Systems & Security
Fairleigh Dickinson University
1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01
Teaneck, NJ 07666

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From donovan at beth.k12.pa.us  Wed Mar 24 15:07:11 2004
From: donovan at beth.k12.pa.us (Jeff Donovan)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:07:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] View list subscription
Message-ID: <8B91F6A5-7D9C-11D8-8235-000393DAC2D8@beth.k12.pa.us>

greetings
How can i view the list subscription and or dump it to a text file?
I need to see everyone at once.

--jeff

-----------------------------------
jeff donovan
basd network operations
(610) 807 5571 x4
AIM  xtdonovan
fwd# 248217




From webadmin at aproximation.org  Wed Mar 24 01:37:56 2004
From: webadmin at aproximation.org (thewade)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:37:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with install: command-line works, but not web
Message-ID: <200403240037.i2O0buFR031983@sanctuary.aproximation.org>

Hello list,
My name is Wade. I am trying to use your software, but the web interface  
is fighting me.

I am using rh9 and apache 2.0.49 I think, and python 2.3.3. I can run 
bin/list_lists and see the lists but I cant see them on the net. I then   
try to create a list from the net, but It says that I cannot: which 
password do I use? I\'ve tried the mmsitepass password, my user password,  
each with my email with the @aproximation.org and with just my login.

My /etc/group and /etc/gshadow all have apache as a member of the mailman
group. bin/check_perm -f returns with no errors.

What can I do?

thanks for your help, 
-thewade



From jamie at silverdream.org  Wed Mar 24 16:16:04 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:16:04 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation GUI
In-Reply-To: <074EEC67-7CEC-11D8-965A-0003937FF790@crockford.org>
References: <074EEC67-7CEC-11D8-965A-0003937FF790@crockford.org>
Message-ID: <1080141363.903.588.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 17:03, John Crockford wrote:
> Does anyone know of a program that will install mailman on a UNIX 
> serverwithout knowing UNIX? I found one that installed MacGimp on my 
> iMac and it worked great. Any suggestions?
> 
> John Crockford

If you're going to be administering a site with Mailman, you NEED to
know Unix. If you don't want to learn, go sign up for Yahoo! e-Groups,
or similar. Or find an ISP that will provide Mailman hosting. Take a
look at the FAQ - it's got a question about MM hosting.

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From jamie at silverdream.org  Wed Mar 24 16:17:52 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:17:52 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman will not deliver mail
In-Reply-To: <ALEIIPEDLFAPNFFLBCEHKEDBCAAA.michaelw@flexi-data.com>
References: <ALEIIPEDLFAPNFFLBCEHKEDBCAAA.michaelw@flexi-data.com>
Message-ID: <1080141472.903.592.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 00:52, Michael Whitehead wrote:
> I am having an extremely hard to getting mailman to work.
<snip>
> I have tried installing with ports and through source but I get stuck at the
> same place. Mailmain will send mail for notifications, list subscriptions
> confirmations and welcomes but will not relay an mail posted to a lists.
> 
> I am running a virtualdomain (lists.pipelogix.com) for Mailman on Qmail. I
> get no errors anywhere that I can find. The mail comes in but just does not
> go out.

Have a look at Mailman's logs, then have a look at qmail's logs. If you
don't understand them, paste them here.

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From jamie at silverdream.org  Wed Mar 24 16:34:28 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:34:28 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML
In-Reply-To: <E1B688G-0000j2-F2@mars.hostingapi.com>
References: <E1B688G-0000j2-F2@mars.hostingapi.com>
Message-ID: <1080142468.903.617.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 13:09, Sean Carnahan wrote:
> I have read that people can send HTML emails via mailman, yet I
> cannot. I have read the info, checked off to NOT strip html into pain
> text, yet when I get email sent it puts all the web based pics into
> the attachment box and send a plain looking email.
>  
> is there any way to send HTML template email to my newsletter list via
> mailman, with pictures and colors and backgrounds not stripped off?

HTML mail is pure evil, in addition, some MUA's cannot cope with HTML
mail, or do not render it properly. Plus it adds a whole load of
unneeded bloat, and can be a security risk - especially when used in
conjunction with 'LookOut'.

http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html
http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml
http://www.usethesource.com/articles/03/04/07/122224.shtml

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From krichel at openlib.org  Wed Mar 24 17:15:52 2004
From: krichel at openlib.org (Thomas Krichel)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:15:52 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuration files
Message-ID: <20040324161552.GH8643@openlib.org>


  Hi,

  I work as a volunteer for NEP: New Economics Paper, see 
  http://nep.repec.org. We have a lot of lists. All have
  identical setup, bar the name, title, and owners. I need
  to automate the configuration. But that does not seem to
  work. It has not been working for months. I wrote to
  the Debian maintainer but I have no response.  I am in dispair.

  I run the version of mailman distributed with the testing
  verison of Debian

admnep at arcano:~$ /home/admnep/mailman/bin/version 
Using Mailman version: 2.1.4

  I can create a test list

sh-2.05b$ /var/lib/mailman/bin/newlist testlist krichel at openlib.org testpass
To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or
equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the
`newaliases' program:

## testlist mailing list
testlist:              "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"
testlist-admin:        "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin testlist"
testlist-bounces:      "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces testlist"
testlist-confirm:      "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm testlist"
testlist-join:         "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join testlist"
testlist-leave:        "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave testlist"
testlist-owner:        "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner testlist"
testlist-request:      "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request testlist"
testlist-subscribe:    "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe testlist"
testlist-unsubscribe:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe testlist"

Hit enter to notify testlist owner...

  I can then output its configuration

/var/lib/mailman/bin/config_list  -o /tmp/testlist.conf testlist

  I can use the same testlist file to configure my list

/var/lib/mailman/bin/config_list  -i /tmp/testlist.conf testlist

  No error reported, but the list is missconfiguered and can not
  be accessed on the web interface. Here is what's happening, say
  if I want to configure again

sh-2.05b$ /var/lib/mailman/bin/config_list  -i /tmp/testlist.conf testlist
sh-2.05b$ /var/lib/mailman/bin/config_list  -o /tmp/testlist.conf testlist
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/config_list", line 353, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/config_list", line 346, in main
    do_output(listname, outfile)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/config_list", line 117, in do_output
    do_list_categories(mlist, k, None, outfp)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/config_list", line 127, in do_list_categories
    info = mlist.GetConfigInfo(k, subcat)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 428, in GetConfigInfo
    value = gui.GetConfigInfo(self, category, subcat)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/General.py", line 53, in GetConfigInfo
    optvals = [mlist.new_member_options & bitfields[o] for o in OPTIONS]
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for &: 'list' and 'int'


  The same error on the web interface

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 
Traceback:


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 97, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 175, in main
    change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1296, in change_options
    gui.handleForm(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/GUIBase.py", line 126, in handleForm
    for item in self.GetConfigInfo(mlist, category, subcat):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/General.py", line 53, in GetConfigInfo
    optvals = [mlist.new_member_options & bitfields[o] for o in OPTIONS]
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for &: 'list' and 'int'



Python information:

Variable	Value	
sys.version	2.3.3 (#2, Feb 24 2004, 09:29:20) [GCC 3.3.3 (Debian)] 	
sys.executable	/usr/bin/python 	
sys.prefix	/usr 	
sys.exec_prefix	/usr 	
sys.path	/usr 	
sys.platform	linux2 	

Environment variables:

Variable	Value	
HTTP_REFERER 	http://lists.repec.org/mailman/admin/testlist 	
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache/1.3.29 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.3 	
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/admin 	
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	
Apache/1.3.29 Server at netec.wustl.edu Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD 	POST 	
PATH_INFO 	/testlist 	
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1 	
QUERY_STRING 		
HTTP_TE 	deflate, gzip, chunked, identity, trailers 	
CONTENT_LENGTH 	38 	
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 	iso-8859-1, utf-8, utf-16, *;q=0.1 	
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; X11; Linux i686) Opera 7.23 [en] 	
HTTP_CONNECTION 	Keep-Alive, TE 	
HTTP_COOKIE 	nep-car+admin= 	
SERVER_NAME 	netec.wustl.edu 	
REMOTE_ADDR 	24.90.109.249 	
PATH_TRANSLATED 	/home/adnetec/WWW/testlist 	
SERVER_PORT 	80 	
SERVER_ADDR 	128.252.177.193 	
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/home/adnetec/WWW 	
PYTHONPATH 	/var/lib/mailman 	
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admin 	
SERVER_ADMIN 	adnetec at netec.wustl.edu 	
HTTP_HOST 	lists.repec.org 	
HTTP_COOKIE2 	$Version=1 	
REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/admin/testlist 	
HTTP_ACCEPT 	text/html, application/xml;q=0.9, application/xhtml+xml;q=0.9, image/png, image/jpeg, image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, */*;q=0.1 	
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1 	
REMOTE_PORT 	3753 	
CONTENT_TYPE 	application/x-www-form-urlencoded 	
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	deflate, gzip, x-gzip, identity, *;q=0 	
UNIQUE_ID 	QGGzT4D8scEAAGbVUoE


  Help!!!


  Thomas Krichel                      mailto:krichel at openlib.org
                                 http://openlib.org/home/krichel
                             RePEc:per:1965-06-05:thomas_krichel

 



From tpf at gsw.edu  Wed Mar 24 17:51:53 2004
From: tpf at gsw.edu (Tim Faircloth)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:51:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping headers
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040324095239.025677e0@canes.gsw.edu>

Hello

I am using Mailman version 2.1.4 on a Solaris 5.8 box using sendmail.  I'm 
using it to host interoffice lists to which users should not be given the 
chance to subscribe/unsubscribe.  That's all well and good, but when 
someone posts to the list, mailman puts in a few unwanted headers:

List-Unsubscribe:
List-Archive:
List-Post:
List-Help:
List-Subscribe:

I do not want members of the lists to be able to unsubscribe, subscribe, 
etc. (all subscriptions are handled by list admins and moderators), so I do 
not want the users to see these headers.  Is there a way to strip these 
headers out, or configure mailman to leave out these headers?

/tim
-- 
Tim Faircloth, System Administrator
GSW OIIT
Office: (229) 931-5076	Beeper: (229) 928-1458




From ste at smxy.org  Wed Mar 24 18:01:07 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:01:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dropping local domain.
Message-ID: <4061BED3.3040005@smxy.org>

I run Mailman on a system that uses Postfix. I have multiple virtual 
domains that I host, some of which have Mailman lists, and the system's 
local domain, which also hosts a list (the mailman site-wide list).

Everything works fine.

I am going to change the local domain into a virtual domain, so that all 
domains on the system are virtual and none are local. Mailman's aliases 
all resolve at the local level though, so I'm wondering how to do what I 
want to do without breaking Mailman.

Is anyone running Mailman on a system with only virtual domains? How do 
I do this without breaking everything?

	-ste



From texascritter at ditb.net  Wed Mar 24 18:31:13 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:31:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping headers
References: <6.0.0.22.1.20040324095239.025677e0@canes.gsw.edu>
Message-ID: <019b01c411c5$ce995000$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

On Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:51 AM, Tim Faircloth wrote:

> moderators), so I do not want the users to see these headers.  Is
> there a way to strip these headers out, or configure mailman to
> leave out these headers?

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp

"While not recommended, Mailman 2.1 supports suppressing all the RFC 2369
headers list-wide. See the admin interface under the General Options
category, specifically the include_rfc2369_headers option."

hth,
texas critter

--
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/





From noreply at python.org  Wed Mar 24 19:34:21 2004
From: noreply at python.org (noreply at python.org)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:34:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notify about your e-mail account utilization.
Message-ID: <baccqayypysxoxagmut@python.org>

Hello user of Python.org e-mail server,

Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled  because of unauthorized access.

For  further details  see the attach.

For security reasons attached file  is password  protected. The password is "80615".

Have  a good day,
    The Python.org team                           http://www.python.org
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From webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org  Wed Mar 24 20:30:18 2004
From: webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org (Jeff D)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:30:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notify about your e-mail account utilization.
In-Reply-To: <baccqayypysxoxagmut@python.org>
References: <baccqayypysxoxagmut@python.org>
Message-ID: <34685.161.114.64.73.1080156618.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>


I hope no one opened that Zip file.....






From mailing-lists at slortar.net  Wed Mar 24 20:52:15 2004
From: mailing-lists at slortar.net (Luc Brouard)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:52:15 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notify about your e-mail account utilization.
In-Reply-To: <34685.161.114.64.73.1080156618.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>
References: <baccqayypysxoxagmut@python.org>
	<34685.161.114.64.73.1080156618.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>
Message-ID: <20040324195215.GA21606@slortar.net>

On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 02:30:18PM -0500, Jeff D wrote:
> 
> I hope no one opened that Zip file.....

Didn' teven "received it", it was blocked by Clamav and bitdefender  via
amavis-new (both scanners are free for personal use).
I also use f-prot (free as well) but it didn't datch the mail as with
the bagle virus.

Luc



From boris at folgmann.de  Wed Mar 24 21:49:08 2004
From: boris at folgmann.de (Boris Folgmann)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:49:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Dropping local domain.
In-Reply-To: <4061BED3.3040005@smxy.org>
References: <4061BED3.3040005@smxy.org>
Message-ID: <c3ss85$had$1@sea.gmane.org>

Shaun T. Erickson schrieb:

> I am going to change the local domain into a virtual domain, so that all 
> domains on the system are virtual and none are local. Mailman's aliases 

No problem.
Listadresses are mapped using virtual-mailman to names without @dom.ain.
This means that they are regarded as local in the next step and are mapped
using aliases to their final destination - the mm wrapper.


cu,
	boris





From ste at smxy.org  Wed Mar 24 22:14:27 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:14:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Dropping local domain.
In-Reply-To: <c3ss85$had$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <4061BED3.3040005@smxy.org> <c3ss85$had$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4061FA33.7050001@smxy.org>

Boris Folgmann wrote:

> Shaun T. Erickson schrieb:
> 
> 
>>I am going to change the local domain into a virtual domain, so that all 
>>domains on the system are virtual and none are local. Mailman's aliases 
> 
> 
> No problem.
> Listadresses are mapped using virtual-mailman to names without @dom.ain.
> This means that they are regarded as local in the next step and are mapped
> using aliases to their final destination - the mm wrapper.

Well, in an all virtual postfix setup, nothing is ever sent to the local 
delivery agent, so no alias expansion can be done. There is no "local".

	-ste



From karl at sfdata.net  Wed Mar 24 23:28:29 2004
From: karl at sfdata.net (Karl R. Balsmeier)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:28:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID For Virtualized Qmail[Vmailmgr]
In-Reply-To: <019b01c411c5$ce995000$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: <6.0.0.22.1.20040324095239.025677e0@canes.gsw.edu>
	<019b01c411c5$ce995000$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1554.192.168.1.61.1080167309.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>

Hi there,

I am running Vmailmgr on my mail server so it can host multiple domains. 
The build is based on qmail, and stores mail in the following structure:

/home/dom/mydomain/users/username

I noticed the documentation notes possible things to do:

---snip---

- You might need to set the mail-gid user to either "qmail", "mailman", or
  "nofiles" by using the --with-mail-gid configure option.

  BN: it highly depends on your mail storing policy.  For example if
  you use the simple ~alias/.qmail-* files, you can use `id -g alias`.
  But if you use /var/qmail/users, the specified mail gid can be
  used.

  If you are going to be directing virtual domains directly to the
  "mailman" user (using "virtualdomains" on a list-only domain, for
  example), you will have to use --with-mail-gid=<gid of mailman user's
group>
  This is incompatible with having list aliases in ~alias, unless that alias
  simply forwards to "mailman-listname*".

- If there is a user `mailman' on your system, the alias
  `mailman-owner' will work only in ~mailman.  You have to do a "touch
  .qmail-owner" in ~mailman directory to create this alias.

  NB: An alternative, IMHO better solution is to `chown root
  ~mailman', that will stop qmail from considering `mailman' to be a
  user to whom mail can be delivered.  (See `man 8 qmail-getpw'.)

---snip---

My question is this:

1.  I plan on using mailman to run lists for users on xyx.net, there are
20 users.  We plan to use about 5 lists with unique names.  What's the
best choice of the above recommendations given my described setup? 
[Qmail/Vmailmgr with mail stored in /home/dom/xyx.net/users/username]

-karl




From sean at 77002.com  Thu Mar 25 01:00:25 2004
From: sean at 77002.com (Sean Carnahan)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:00:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML
In-Reply-To: <1080142468.903.617.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>
Message-ID: <E1B6IIS-0003UU-Ro@mars.hostingapi.com>

Yes I agree its not wonderful

But I send out a newsletter that has to have graphics and flyers and if not
colorful they arent as effective for promotion.
Any ideas on how to do it even if you don't like it?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie L. Penman-Smithson [mailto:jamie at silverdream.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:34 AM
To: Sean Carnahan
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML

On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 13:09, Sean Carnahan wrote:
> I have read that people can send HTML emails via mailman, yet I 
> cannot. I have read the info, checked off to NOT strip html into pain 
> text, yet when I get email sent it puts all the web based pics into 
> the attachment box and send a plain looking email.
>  
> is there any way to send HTML template email to my newsletter list via 
> mailman, with pictures and colors and backgrounds not stripped off?

HTML mail is pure evil, in addition, some MUA's cannot cope with HTML mail,
or do not render it properly. Plus it adds a whole load of unneeded bloat,
and can be a security risk - especially when used in conjunction with
'LookOut'.

http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html
http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml
http://www.usethesource.com/articles/03/04/07/122224.shtml

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From quasi at payback.nu  Thu Mar 25 01:47:06 2004
From: quasi at payback.nu (quasi)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:47:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom signup page?
Message-ID: <F0C2187B-7DF5-11D8-9ED0-000393BB2FC8@payback.nu>

I would like to integrate the signup form on my existing website, just 
with the "your email adress:"  entry and the subscribe button under it.

The default signup page is good for advanced users so I still wanna 
keep it, but most of the people who visit my site are pretty clueless 
about anything internet related, a whole page with text is just 
confusing to them.


So is it ok to integrate the email field and the subscribe button on 
your existing homepage, and if so what code do you need for it?

Thanks!

quasi.




From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Thu Mar 25 03:14:51 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:14:51 -0800
Subject: - [Mailman-Users] Custom signup page?
In-Reply-To: <F0C2187B-7DF5-11D8-9ED0-000393BB2FC8@payback.nu>
Message-ID: <4061D01B.21693.1CC059@localhost>

Yes, you can modify.  Just pull the code that is just for subscribe off 
that page.  If you need a sample - let me know and I will send you a 
sample page I use.


To:             	mailman-users at python.org
From:           	quasi <quasi at payback.nu>
Date sent:      	Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:47:06 +0100
Subject:        	 [Mailman-Users] Custom signup page?

> I would like to integrate the signup form on my existing website, just 
> with the "your email adress:"  entry and the subscribe button under it.
> 
> The default signup page is good for advanced users so I still wanna 
> keep it, but most of the people who visit my site are pretty clueless 
> about anything internet related, a whole page with text is just 
> confusing to them.
> 
> 
> So is it ok to integrate the email field and the subscribe button on 
> your existing homepage, and if so what code do you need for it?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> quasi.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

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However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.




From jason at intervis.com.au  Thu Mar 25 04:08:18 2004
From: jason at intervis.com.au (Jason Marty)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:08:18 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup
Message-ID: <BC889852.6BD5%jason@intervis.com.au>

If I want to back up the list data on Mac OS X Panther Server does anyone
know which files I need to copy?
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From jason at intervis.com.au  Thu Mar 25 04:08:35 2004
From: jason at intervis.com.au (Jason Marty)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:08:35 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export
Message-ID: <BC889863.6BD6%jason@intervis.com.au>

Does anyone know how to export the current lists?
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From sdas at eeinternet.com  Thu Mar 25 06:07:18 2004
From: sdas at eeinternet.com (S. M. Das)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:07:18 -0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple same-named (virtual hosted) lists on the
	same machine
Message-ID: <40626906.9030607@eeinternet.com>

Hello all! I searched for an answer to my question in the faq, archive, docs, 
and also on the web, but no luck.

Anyway, we are running Mailman and Sendmail on a Debian GNU/Linux machine, and 
do web hosting for multiple domains. Turns out that two of our clients both want 
Mailman managed 'staff at domain.org' named mailing lists.

Well, our primary mail server is on another machine, is the MX host for all the 
domains, and which has all the current aliases for all our client domains in 
it's virtusertable. It, too, is running Sendmail.

I am unfortunately not permitted to switch MTA's, nor to move MTA functions for 
those two domains on to separate machines. I must maintain the current 
configuration and functionality, but somehow have Mailman know which staff alias 
it is sending to, and write it's outgoing list mail from 'staff at domain.org'.

Currently, I am able to have 'staff at domain.org' aliases on the MX machine which 
forward to 'domain-staff at our.Mailman-machine.com', and on the Mailman machine, 
'domain-staff:' aliases for Mailman lists called 'domain-staff' who recognize 
'To: ' headers containing 'domain-staff at domain.org' as explicit list addresses 
(so postings don't get held).

Great.

The problem is that the lists intrinsic names are still configured as 
'domain-staff at domain.org', which means that list mail is sent from that instead 
of 'staff at domain.org'. Moreover, the CGI generated pages, welcome emails, and 
other list aliases ('domain-staff-owner' instead of 'staff-owner' etc) all 
contain the workaround address.

All I need is for Mailman to somehow claim universally (in welcome messages, 
list 'To:' headers, URL's etc) that it's list address is 'staff at domain.org'

Short order, huh? :)

Now that I've thoroughly confused the issue, first, does anybody understand what 
it is that I want? Second, is there a FAQ question, or statement in the docs 
that I missed that gives me the short answer? ('no! you can't do that!', right?)
Third, has anybody had this problem before, known anyone who has had this 
problem, ever heard of this problem, or, most importantly, done any work towards 
making this possible?

If not, and some coding is involved, than I can accept that as an answer, but 
would like a bit of advise on where/whether to start.

I don't know any Python at all, but have been programming in C/C++, perl (and 
now some PHP) for many years. I'm not afraid of Python, but would rather have a 
configuration/workaround based option instead. (What if I need to upgrade 
Mailman for security reasons or whatever? I'll have no guarantee that I can even 
port my modifications to the new code, and I'm pretty certain that nobody wants 
my hacky cruft in their codebase, no matter what functionality it provides).

Thanks for any and all comments or responses (also big thanks to anyone who 
actually reads my entire message)!

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From j_chivas at langara.bc.ca  Thu Mar 25 06:09:21 2004
From: j_chivas at langara.bc.ca (Jim Chivas)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:09:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
In-Reply-To: <1078944850.3139.109.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0403242100320.20435-100000@pipeline.langara.bc.ca>


I double checked the information you suggested below. I did your
suggestion and it works ok.

Now new question.

I am following the mailman doc to create my first list ex:

http://my.dom.ain:8080/mailman/create
                  ****
Note the port number!


The screen comes up and I put in the data requested but when I click on
create I receive the 'mailman/create' page can't be found plus the URL in
my browser does not keep the port# 8080 in its path. I am assuming this is
my trouble.

To correct this I added

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'pipeline.langara.bc.ca:8080'

to my mm_cfg.py file at the end.

I then stopped and started mailmanctl.

When I try again the url still keeps loosing the port# 8080 from the URL.


Referencing the following list off the create page returns similar no
port# url as follows.


http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/admin (overview)

http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/listinfo (list overview)


Can you offer any suggestions on how to keep the port# in the URL's for
mailman?


Thanks

Jim


On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:

> On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 12:53, Jim Chivas wrote:
> > On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:
> >
> > > Did you stop and restart Apache?
> >
> > yes.
> > >
> > > Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in
> > > httpd.conf?
> >
> > None.
> >
> > Is this the correct url ?
> >
> > http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman
>
> should be fine as long as your servers domain name is "my-server-name"
> :-)
>
> > Does my install directory look correct?
> >
>
> In my installs I don't use the <Directory> directive to define Apache's
> access for the local directories. I just have the ScriptAlias point
> there.
>
> Leave the ScriptAlias but comment out this stuff and then restart Apache
>  <Directory  "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin">
>    AllowOverride       None
>    Options     None
>    Order       allow,deny
>    Allow       from    all
>  </Directory>
>
> It may be that if you define the Directory that you must specify
> "ExecCGI" in the Options statement (and not "None").
>
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >

-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Information And Computing services      fax:    (604) 323-5349
Langara College                         Voice:  (604) 323-5390
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Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Mar 25 06:53:46 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 05:53:46 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0403242100320.20435-100000@pipeline.langara.bc.ca>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0403242100320.20435-100000@pipeline.langara.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <C7EE5260-7E20-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>


On 25 Mar 2004, at 05:09, Jim Chivas wrote:

>
> I double checked the information you suggested below. I did your
> suggestion and it works ok.
>
> Now new question.
>
> I am following the mailman doc to create my first list ex:
>
> http://my.dom.ain:8080/mailman/create
>                   ****
> Note the port number!
>
>
> The screen comes up and I put in the data requested but when I click on
> create I receive the 'mailman/create' page can't be found plus the URL 
> in
> my browser does not keep the port# 8080 in its path. I am assuming 
> this is
> my trouble.
>
> To correct this I added
>
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'pipeline.langara.bc.ca:8080'
>
> to my mm_cfg.py file at the end.
>
> I then stopped and started mailmanctl.
>
> When I try again the url still keeps loosing the port# 8080 from the 
> URL.
>
>
> Referencing the following list off the create page returns similar no
> port# url as follows.
>
>
> http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/admin (overview)
>
> http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/listinfo (list overview)
>
>
> Can you offer any suggestions on how to keep the port# in the URL's for
> mailman?
>

See under the heading "Non-standard web server ports" in this FAQ entry:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

>
> Thanks
>
> Jim
>
>
> On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 12:53, Jim Chivas wrote:
>>> On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Did you stop and restart Apache?
>>>
>>> yes.
>>>>
>>>> Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in
>>>> httpd.conf?
>>>
>>> None.
>>>
>>> Is this the correct url ?
>>>
>>> http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman
>>
>> should be fine as long as your servers domain name is "my-server-name"
>> :-)
>>
>>> Does my install directory look correct?
>>>
>>
>> In my installs I don't use the <Directory> directive to define 
>> Apache's
>> access for the local directories. I just have the ScriptAlias point
>> there.
>>
>> Leave the ScriptAlias but comment out this stuff and then restart 
>> Apache
>>  <Directory  "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin">
>>    AllowOverride       None
>>    Options     None
>>    Order       allow,deny
>>    Allow       from    all
>>  </Directory>
>>
>> It may be that if you define the Directory that you must specify
>> "ExecCGI" in the Options statement (and not "None").
>>
>> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>
> -- 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Jim Chivas                              email:  jchivas at langara.bc.ca
> Information And Computing services      fax:    (604) 323-5349
> Langara College                         Voice:  (604) 323-5390
> 100 West 49th  Avenue                   http://www.langara.bc.ca
> Vancouver, B.C., Canada
> V5Y 2Z6
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From jason at intervis.com.au  Thu Mar 25 08:04:20 2004
From: jason at intervis.com.au (Jason Marty)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:04:20 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New list password
Message-ID: <BC88CFA4.6BF3%jason@intervis.com.au>

I am running Mailman on a Mac with OS X Panther.
When you create a list via the GUI interface it does not ask you to create
an admin password.
If I try to create the list via the Mailman interface I do not know the
password and it will no accept my other list passwords.
Is there any place I can change, override or set this password??

Jason 

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From jamie at silverdream.org  Thu Mar 25 13:10:31 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New list password
In-Reply-To: <BC88CFA4.6BF3%jason@intervis.com.au>
References: <BC88CFA4.6BF3%jason@intervis.com.au>
Message-ID: <1080216631.22535.32.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 07:04, Jason Marty wrote:
> I am running Mailman on a Mac with OS X Panther.
> When you create a list via the GUI interface it does not ask you to
> create an admin password.
> If I try to create the list via the Mailman interface I do not know
> the password and it will no accept my other list passwords.
> Is there any place I can change, override or set this password??

You were asked for a list password, or one was created for you. Either
way it was probably emailed to you.

You can use the site password to gain access to the list and change the
list password, if you've forgotten that, you can use mmsitepass to
change it, on my Debian install of Mailman it's at /var/lib/mailman/bin,
but YMMV.

HTH

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From jamie at silverdream.org  Thu Mar 25 13:33:22 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:33:22 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML
In-Reply-To: <E1B6IIS-0003UU-Ro@mars.hostingapi.com>
References: <E1B6IIS-0003UU-Ro@mars.hostingapi.com>
Message-ID: <1080218001.22535.56.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 00:00, Sean Carnahan wrote:
> Yes I agree its not wonderful
> 
> But I send out a newsletter that has to have graphics and flyers and if not
> colorful they arent as effective for promotion.
> Any ideas on how to do it even if you don't like it?

It's not just that *I* don't like it, millions of other poor innocent
people don't like it. Hear the voice of reason, do not subject the
masses to such evil.

If you want to promote your company or service, use the web, you can
link to it in your emails. Email should be a plain text medium. You also
have the advantage of knowing that your message is going to look the
same in any email client in the world.

HTML is plain dangerous, there have been numerous examples of virii
spreading using HTML and vulnerabilities in everyone's favourite MUA -
Lookout. As a duty of care to your 'customers' do not use it, they'll
thank you for it eventually.

"HTML usually looks like it has been designed by stoned amateur
chimpanzees using Front Page Express with their feet"

Oh, and if you think you actually like flashy-seizure-inducing HTML mail
- I wholeheartedly invite you to take an agonising look at
http://www.seizurerobots.com

This is getting way off topic, this is all I'm going to say on the
subject.

Have a nice HTML-mail-clean day,

-j

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Mar 25 13:38:42 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Mar 2004 07:38:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0403242100320.20435-100000@pipeline.langara.bc.ca>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0403242100320.20435-100000@pipeline.langara.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <1080218321.3136.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 00:09, Jim Chivas wrote:
> I double checked the information you suggested below. I did your
> suggestion and it works ok.
> 
> Now new question.
> 
> I am following the mailman doc to create my first list ex:
> 
> http://my.dom.ain:8080/mailman/create
>                   ****
> Note the port number!
> 
> 
> The screen comes up and I put in the data requested but when I click on
> create I receive the 'mailman/create' page can't be found plus the URL in
> my browser does not keep the port# 8080 in its path. I am assuming this is
> my trouble.
> 
> To correct this I added
> 
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'pipeline.langara.bc.ca:8080'

This will not work. Default_URL_Host is simply the hostname. The way
Mailman treats this variable makes it so that you *must* instead make
the change in:
   DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'

In your case I think this will work:
   DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:8080/mailman/'

> 
> to my mm_cfg.py file at the end.
> 
> I then stopped and started mailmanctl.
> 
> When I try again the url still keeps loosing the port# 8080 from the URL.
> 
> 
> Referencing the following list off the create page returns similar no
> port# url as follows.
> 
> 
> http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/admin (overview)
> 
> http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/listinfo (list overview)
> 
> 
> Can you offer any suggestions on how to keep the port# in the URL's for
> mailman?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jim
> 

Give that a try, Jim.

Note: I believe that your existing lists will already have the old URL
stored in their database (config.pck) - so you will need to either
recreate the lists (after making the above change) or you will have to
use "withlist" to modify the url inside the existing lists databases.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From jamie at silverdream.org  Thu Mar 25 14:08:50 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:08:50 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] View list subscription
In-Reply-To: <8B91F6A5-7D9C-11D8-8235-000393DAC2D8@beth.k12.pa.us>
References: <8B91F6A5-7D9C-11D8-8235-000393DAC2D8@beth.k12.pa.us>
Message-ID: <1080220130.22535.92.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 14:07, Jeff Donovan wrote:
> greetings
> How can i view the list subscription and or dump it to a text file?
> I need to see everyone at once.

You can view the list of subscribers (and search it) using the web
interface, under Membership Management.

It doesn't yet let you export the list from the web, but if you have
shell access you can use list_members [listname].

HTH

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From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Thu Mar 25 14:11:35 2004
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:11:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0403250809560.75422@seyyav.pair.com>


> Yes I agree its not wonderful
>
> But I send out a newsletter that has to have graphics and flyers and if
> not colorful they arent as effective for promotion.
> Any ideas on how to do it even if you don't like it?

Put the promotion newsletter on your site and use the list to mail out a
URL to your newsletter.

Sean



From sean at 77002.com  Thu Mar 25 14:30:12 2004
From: sean at 77002.com (Sean Carnahan)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:30:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0403250809560.75422@seyyav.pair.com>
Message-ID: <E1B6Uvz-0004WU-8I@mars.hostingapi.com>


Thanks for the input, and linking it to a site with html is good idea.  
I still wish to know if html email is possible through mailman.
I don't make stoner harmful and virus laden emails, 
I wish to send graphic template emails as we've been doing for years now.
And want to know if mailman can do so and if you all could show me how.
I would appreciate it.

Can I send such emails and how do I configure mailman to do so?

sean 

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Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:12 AM
To: jamie at silverdream.org
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] HTML


> Yes I agree its not wonderful
>
> But I send out a newsletter that has to have graphics and flyers and 
> if not colorful they arent as effective for promotion.
> Any ideas on how to do it even if you don't like it?

Put the promotion newsletter on your site and use the list to mail out a URL
to your newsletter.

Sean

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From andyk at spunge.org  Wed Mar 24 15:34:06 2004
From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:34:06 -0600 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Copy some of the features from Freelists (ecartis)
	to the Mailman.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403240832110.25174@chi.spunge.org>

Recently, I've looked at the freelists.org running on ecartis:
http://www.ecartis.org/
It seems that the lists on freelists have some interesting options, which
Mailman haven't got, so maybe you could introduce some of them into Mailman.

I put some screenshots over there:
http://znik.wbc.lublin.pl/~ak/rozne/ecartis/

Description of the options:
http://www.freelists.org/help/

I like that it has statistics, quoting limits and strip-headers (a colon
seperated list of headers to remove from outgoing messages). One of my
subscribers unsubscribed from my list just because X-confirm-reading was
distributed over it.  Bad quoting is also often a problem, so it would be good
if Mailman could have similar solution to that used in freelists.
Statistics is also very nice feature.

ak




From raven at datafull.com  Wed Mar 24 17:43:41 2004
From: raven at datafull.com (Alejandro Gomez)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:43:41 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] withlist documentation
Message-ID: <NFBBIGDKDJDBJGFFHMMDCEFODFAA.raven@datafull.com>

Is there any place where I could find withlist or "m" python class methods
documentation ?
thanks in advance
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From jason at intervis.com.au  Thu Mar 25 03:59:31 2004
From: jason at intervis.com.au (Jason Marty)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:59:31 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup
Message-ID: <BC889643.6BCB%jason@intervis.com.au>

If I want to back up the list data on Mac OS X Panther Server does anyone
know which files I need to copy?
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From jason at intervis.com.au  Thu Mar 25 04:05:07 2004
From: jason at intervis.com.au (Jason Marty)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:05:07 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export
Message-ID: <BC889793.6BCF%jason@intervis.com.au>

Does anyone know how to export the current lists?
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From jcordoba at bayes.escet.urjc.es  Thu Mar 25 10:52:55 2004
From: jcordoba at bayes.escet.urjc.es (Juanan)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:52:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!!!
Message-ID: <005501c4124e$f26d3990$d90180d4@labgecd.escet.urjc.es>


 I only speak (write) a little English, sorry. I have Fedora Core UP (S.O.), sendmail and mailman, but I have problem with mailman. 

 What are the steps to install mailman????.

 Thank you.
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From jamie at silverdream.org  Thu Mar 25 14:41:27 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:41:27 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!!!
In-Reply-To: <005501c4124e$f26d3990$d90180d4@labgecd.escet.urjc.es>
References: <005501c4124e$f26d3990$d90180d4@labgecd.escet.urjc.es>
Message-ID: <1080222087.16299.1.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 09:52, Juanan wrote:
>  I only speak (write) a little English, sorry. I have Fedora Core UP
> (S.O.), sendmail and mailman, but I have problem with mailman. 
>  
>  What are the steps to install mailman????.

Read the documentation at www.list.org

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From jamie at silverdream.org  Thu Mar 25 14:43:52 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:43:52 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup
In-Reply-To: <BC889643.6BCB%jason@intervis.com.au>
References: <BC889643.6BCB%jason@intervis.com.au>
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On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 02:59, Jason Marty wrote:
> If I want to back up the list data on Mac OS X Panther Server does
> anyone know which files I need to copy?

Don't repeat post and RTFM -
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.006.htp

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From S.I.Warhurst at rl.ac.uk  Thu Mar 25 15:47:23 2004
From: S.I.Warhurst at rl.ac.uk (Warhurst, SI (Spencer) )
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:47:23 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Vs Listserv
Message-ID: <350DC7048372D31197F200902773DF4C047A877B@exchange11.rl.ac.uk>

Hi

I'm new to Mailman (currently run several Listserv servers) and haven't yet
got my linux box up and running to test Mailman out on, however I am
interested to get a few general impressions on the software first. If anyone
here has experience with Listserv, how do you think Mailman compares to it?

Off the top of my head, I'm thinking along the lines of issues like:

- Listserv being compiled, including it's cgi web interface, whereas Mailman
uses an interpretted language which presumably has an impact on performance.
Of course, Listserv may be more bloated than Mailman, so that could be an
offset.

- How does a Mailman system handle say 5,000 mailing lists, big lists with
5,000+ subscribers or archive searches over say 100Mb of message files? One
thing with Listserv is that it is single threaded which means that a big
archive search for example can hold other processes up significantly. You
can have multiple instances of it's web interface but if they need to
interact with the main Listserv executable when it's busy they have to wait.
I presume you can have multiple Python processes, which would effectively
make Mailman multi-threaded?

- How well does it manage to block out of office messages. eg: some OoO
systems send responses back to the Reply-To: address, which can be a pain if
it's the list address and on Listserv you have to set up a content-filter -
is there a content filter in Mailman to capture such things?

- Can list owners get any list-based statistics, like how many people join,
leave or post to the list in a given period, or are logs easily parsable and
comprehensive enough for a site admin to do this?

- How easy is it to "tap in" to Mailman's authentication system? For
example, if you wanted to add your own feature like a file area/upload
mechanism, but you want to make sure only subscribers with a valid login can
get to it, can you easily check Mailman's working files or are passwords
encrypted?

Thanks

--
Spencer



From tpf at gsw.edu  Thu Mar 25 15:57:10 2004
From: tpf at gsw.edu (Tim Faircloth)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:57:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain woes
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040325094752.02639520@canes.gsw.edu>

Our mail server (host.my.domain) recieves mail addressed to @host.my.domain 
and @my.domain.  Right now, it is set up to send mail as @my.domain, but 
before, it was set up to send mail as however joe user had it set up in 
eudora to send (either @host.my.domain or @my.domain).

However, since the change to force @my.domain on outgoing mail (using the 
"MASQUERADE_AS" option on sendmail, many users have complained that they 
cannot post to mailing lists because they subscribed as 
<user>@host.my.domain.  Is there a way to set up mailman to accept either 
domain as coming from the same domain?

i.e. : if Joe user (joeuser at my.domain) subscribed to my a list as 
"joeuser at host.my.domain" through the web interface, is there a way that I 
can let him post as "joeuser at my.domain"?  I realize that I could set up a 
filter to specifically allow "joeuser at my.domain" to post, but I would 
prefer that mailman accept an "@my.domain" address to be treated the same 
as the corresponding "@host.my.domain" addresses.

/tim
-- 
Tim Faircloth, System Administrator
GSW OIIT
Office: (229) 931-5076	Beeper: (229) 928-1458




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Thu Mar 25 18:10:15 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:10:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] View list subscription
In-Reply-To: <1080220130.22535.92.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>
References: <8B91F6A5-7D9C-11D8-8235-000393DAC2D8@beth.k12.pa.us>
	<1080220130.22535.92.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>
Message-ID: <40631277.3020800@state.or.us>

There are a couple of ways to get your complete list of subscribers.

1- Use the Membership Management/Membership list on the admin page

If you have shell access, here is the process to make your admin 
interface membership
management/membership list display more than the default number of
subscribers.

cd /lists/bin
  ./config_list -o list_name.txt list_name

  Edit list_name.txt and add the following:
  # Increase viewable member list in Admin interface
  admin_member_chunksize = 100  (note: you can make this number whatever you
want, depending on the number of subscribers)

  ./config_list -i list_name.txt list_name
  rm list_name.txt

2- As a user, enter your password and email address on the list 
information page.

3- Temporarily, change who can view the list of subscribers (done on the 
admin page) to 'administrator only' and then do #1 above and enter your 
admin password.

4- If you have shell access, you can
use the /lists/bin/list_members <listname> command and write the results to
file.



Jamie L. Penman-Smithson wrote:

>On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 14:07, Jeff Donovan wrote:
>  
>
>>greetings
>>How can i view the list subscription and or dump it to a text file?
>>I need to see everyone at once.
>>    
>>
>
>You can view the list of subscribers (and search it) using the web
>interface, under Membership Management.
>
>It doesn't yet let you export the list from the web, but if you have
>shell access you can use list_members [listname].
>
>HTH
>
>  
>
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From raywood at magma.ca  Thu Mar 25 18:31:13 2004
From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:31:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mladmin script
Message-ID: <20040325173113.GB4502@magma.ca>

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Hello,

I recently completed an upgrade from Mailman 2.0.11 -> 2.1.4 on
our server, and things seem to have gone reasonably well (we did
get bit briefly by the requirement to modify aliases in
/etc/aliases though).

I do have two questions, however, that I'm hoping someone on the
list can help clarify.

1.
Due to the ungodly quantity of spam that our lists are currently
receiving, we had been making use a neat perl script called
'mladmin' that we found on Sourceforge.  Basically it allows
long queues of held posts to be deleted all at once, instead of
the labour-intensive 'discard one-by-one via the web admin
interface' approach.

Since the upgrade, unfortunately, the mladmin script no longer
works :-(  It reports the queue as empty even when there
actually are held posts in queue, and it reports no errors.  Has
anyone else experienced this, and is there a workaround or
solution?

2.
Is there any plan to include a feature in Mailman that will
allow long spam-filled queue's to be deleted all at one time?  I
really hope so, because the current web interface is really just
too time-consuming for our list moderators, given the high
volume of spam we are receiving.

Thanks in advance for help received,
Raymond
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From mailman-users at xonx.de  Thu Mar 25 18:34:39 2004
From: mailman-users at xonx.de (Steffen Mueller)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:34:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change default value of respond_to_post_requests
Message-ID: <4063182F.80800@xonx.de>

Hi.

I'm using Mailman 2.1.4 on Debian Woody (a Backport from backports.org)

To turn off those automatic "held for approval"-messages for any 
forthcoming new lists on my server, I tried to change the default value 
in mm_cfg.py:
RESPOND_TO_POST_REQUESTS = No
Without success.

The www-interface provides this option in:
Generell options / respond_to_post_requests (Yes/No)
changing the value here works fine.

I know, the value is hardcoded in /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py
Line 289:
self.respond_to_post_requests = 1

A comment in Line 288 sais:
# This stuff is configurable
but how?

What do I have to add in my mm_cfg.py to change this value?


-- 
cheers,
Steffen Mueller



From aalonso at uncoma.edu.ar  Thu Mar 25 18:40:29 2004
From: aalonso at uncoma.edu.ar (Ana Carolina Alonso de =?iso-8859-1?Q?Armi=F1o?=)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:40:29 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web configuration
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040325142534.00a3a540@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>

Hello

I have an mailman server (with sendmail) running mailman 2.1.3, this server 
is called myhost.  I have configred into the Mailman/Defaults.py like

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'None'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'None'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'None'
DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.mydomain.edu.ar/mailman/'

I have an web server who mounts the mailman NFS directory.
When I go to  'http://www.mydomain.edu.ar/mailman/infolist/mylist' I see 
the rigth page, but when I access to any link I get wrong URLs 
like  'http://myhost.mydomain.edu.ar/mailman/admin/mylist'
If I change the word myhost to www in the URL and I get the rigth page.
This happen in all page that I open, so I can open the page to configure my 
list but I can?t do change because the botton don?t work.

Which is the rigth configuratio to my needs?
Thanks in advance!

Ana





From mailman-users at xonx.de  Thu Mar 25 18:42:05 2004
From: mailman-users at xonx.de (Steffen Mueller)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:42:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mladmin script
In-Reply-To: <20040325173113.GB4502@magma.ca>
References: <20040325173113.GB4502@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <406319ED.6080306@xonx.de>

On 03/25/04 18:31 Raymond Wood wrote:
> 
> 2.
> Is there any plan to include a feature in Mailman that will
> allow long spam-filled queue's to be deleted all at one time?  I
> really hope so, because the current web interface is really just
> too time-consuming for our list moderators, given the high
> volume of spam we are receiving.
> 

hi.

maybe this workaround helps you:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.026.htp

-- 
cheers,
Steffen Mueller



From texascritter at ditb.net  Thu Mar 25 18:53:33 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:53:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML
References: <E1B6Uvz-0004WU-8I@mars.hostingapi.com>
Message-ID: <011801c41292$17d3d3e0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

On Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:30 AM, Sean Carnahan wrote:

> Thanks for the input, and linking it to a site with html is good
> idea.
> I still wish to know if html email is possible through mailman.

Yes you can.  But I'm afraid I've lost sight of the original problem you're
experiencing.  There is nothing prohibiting html messages thru mailman
except the individual settings for your list.

Have you looked at your Content Filtering settings?

Is is set to convert html to plain text?

Is it set to remove attachments with the text/html content type?

What happens when you send html messages?

What exactly do you see?

Do the html tags get displayed as text rather than showing the html result?

Or do you just see the text, no html tags, no html?

Perhaps it's something in your particular email program?

Have you tried a different email program or a webmail site?

While I'm not fond of html in email, it's not an evil thing all on its own.
Html in itself is not a virus.  And even email with viruses can be read
safely if you're not using an insecure email program or if you're using an
insecure program in a safe manner (fully patched, read in plain text only).
I use OE to read all my email but I take the proper precautions to prevent
any virus infected or spyware infected email from being able to do its
damage.  (And as soon as Mozilla's Thunderbird gets a bit further along in
development, I'll most likely be switching to that, I stopped using IE for
browsing ages ago, Mozilla and Mozilla Firefox are the best browsers out
there.)

IMHO, YMMV, HAND.

hth,
texas critter

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From bernstein at cesmail.net  Thu Mar 25 18:54:37 2004
From: bernstein at cesmail.net (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:54:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with unshunt
Message-ID: <c3v6ct$pmo$1@sea.gmane.org>

What causes certain messages to be shunted? (Has anyone documented
this?)

Do attachments play a role in this mechanism?

Has this behaviour been redefined in versions subsequent to 2.1.2?

I want to make a case to my sysadmin to upgrade to 2.1.4, but he's
afraid that in fixing one problem, others will be created. Arrgh.


-- 
Bob Bernstein

   "A modern philosopher who has never once suspected himself of being a
    charlatan must be such a shallow mind that his work is probably not
    worth reading."                            Leszek Kolakowski





From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Thu Mar 25 18:57:46 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:57:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Utilizing SpamAssassin
Message-ID: <c3v6ir$rl8$1@sea.gmane.org>

Is there a way to utilize SpamAssassin running on the same box as
Mailman?

By that, I mean SA is already running, so all email coming in will be
scored by SA for its 'spamminess'.

Is there a way to get MM to place those messages with a Spam=Yes score
on hold until the list owner can review the message on an otherwise
unmoderated list?  I want this for ALL lists (a global setting).


--?

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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Computer Systems Manager                         ph: 979-845-7801
Department of Physics                           fax: 979-845-2590
Texas A&M University






From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Thu Mar 25 20:38:15 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:38:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using SpamAssassin w/ MailMan
Message-ID: <027d01c412a0$b7be8400$65795ba5@physics.tamu.edu>

Is there a way to utilize SpamAssassin running on the same box as
Mailman?

By that, I mean SA is already running, so all email coming in will be
scored by SA for its 'spamminess'.

Is there a way to get MM to place those messages with a Spam=Yes score
on hold until the list owner can review the message on an otherwise
unmoderated list?  I want this for ALL lists (a global setting).




q2:  I originally posted this to the gmane.mail.mailman.user mirror of
this list.  It was rejected because it said I wasn't a subscriber...

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Chris Barnes                                 AOL IM: CNBarnes
chris-barnes at tamu.edu                      Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes
Computer Systems Manager                         ph: 979-845-7801
Department of Physics                           fax: 979-845-2590
Texas A&M University




From danny at terweij.nl  Thu Mar 25 20:45:40 2004
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:45:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error: XXX UPDATE CURRENTLY DISABLED. USE
	Release_2_1-maint branch
Message-ID: <00cc01c412a1$c0bc5860$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

Hi,

My linux boc did crashed and the HDD did not working anymore. I did set up a
new box (old box RH7.2, new box FC1).

>From a backup i copied the /usr/local/mailman to the new box. This is
version 2.1.1+. So i thought lets get a new fresh cvs and update the old to
new version. But i get this error : XXX UPDATE CURRENTLY DISABLED.  USE
Release_2_1-maint branch
after make install. I dont see any faq related topic about this. Google
shows me one hit to the check-in list archive and that is not interesting.

So what can i do and how can i do things ?

Danny Terweij







From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Thu Mar 25 20:51:14 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:51:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: using SpamAssassin w/ MailMan
References: <027d01c412a0$b7be8400$65795ba5@physics.tamu.edu>
Message-ID: <c3vd7j$cob$1@sea.gmane.org>

Chris Barnes <chris-barnes at tamu.edu> wrote:
> q2:  I originally posted this to the gmane.mail.mailman.user mirror of
> this list.  It was rejected because it said I wasn't a subscriber...


Sorry for the duplicate post.  I mistook a defunct subscriber's broken
mailserver for a problem with the mirror.  In the meanwhile, will
someone please remove vanda282 at ops.org ?


--?

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Texas A&M University






From boris at folgmann.de  Thu Mar 25 21:38:42 2004
From: boris at folgmann.de (Boris Folgmann)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:38:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Dropping local domain.
In-Reply-To: <4061FA33.7050001@smxy.org>
References: <4061BED3.3040005@smxy.org> <c3ss85$had$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<4061FA33.7050001@smxy.org>
Message-ID: <c3vg0j$jds$1@sea.gmane.org>

Shaun T. Erickson schrieb:

> Well, in an all virtual postfix setup, nothing is ever sent to the local 
> delivery agent, so no alias expansion can be done. There is no "local".

It works. The piping is done in mm's alias file.
Don't setup a catch all entry (@dom.ain) in your own virtual file if
dom.ain ist part of mydestination. If you do so, this entry will catch also
the right-sides of virtual-mailman before the are looked up in the alias file.

cu,
	boris





From jsingh at fdu.edu  Thu Mar 25 23:56:53 2004
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:56:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] passwords post
Message-ID: <002101c412bc$7a6864b0$710bee84@FDUJACK>

Hi,

I'm new to this list, so I apologize if my question appeared soon
before, but I didn't see it in the archives.  
Is there a way to configure Mailman to require a
password for posting?
thanks

Jaskaran Singh
University Systems & Security
Fairleigh Dickinson University
1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01
Teaneck, NJ 07666

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From sean at 77002.com  Fri Mar 26 00:22:51 2004
From: sean at 77002.com (Sean Carnahan)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:22:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML
In-Reply-To: <011801c41292$17d3d3e0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <E1B6eBU-00044L-8x@mars.hostingapi.com>

Yes you can.  But I'm afraid I've lost sight of the original problem you're
experiencing.  There is nothing prohibiting html messages thru mailman
except the individual settings for your list.

Have you looked at your Content Filtering settings?
- yes

Is is set to convert html to plain text?
- no, its set not to convert it.

Is it set to remove attachments with the text/html content type?
-Not sure haven't looked at this and will do so now.

What happens when you send html messages?

-When I send one out, it send it but when it comes over, it has all the
graphics as attachments, and the text is laid out but with html link tags
shows instead,  it still comes as html, just strips the graphics I have sent
that are embedded , such as sending a html webpage from site to the list.
But when it comes the text and all are there, the graphics(jpgs) are removed
from seeing and sent on as attached files.

 
What exactly do you see?
-See above


Do the html tags get displayed as text rather than showing the html result?
-Yes

Or do you just see the text, no html tags, no html?
-I see text, in html, with tags and links ive made for things.

Perhaps it's something in your particular email program?
-I send via outlook to mailman 2.1.3

Have you tried a different email program or a webmail site?
-I don't have another email program, will try form another site and see
what's up.

\
Thanks you so much for looking into this with me.
I hope to sort it out as bcentral, which I was using for emails, is just one
helluva pricey thing.
But it send s out just what I need. I am sure mailman can do the job but
have to get over this hump.

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!

sean




From tehlers at freenet.de  Thu Mar 25 17:49:27 2004
From: tehlers at freenet.de (Torsten Ehlers)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:49:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing internationalization
Message-ID: <40630D97.70200@freenet.de>

Hi,

I'm using the German translation of Mailman. Unfortunately, the German 
translation is not complete and has quite a few errors and I'd like to 
correct them. How can I make Mailman include my corrections? Simply 
editing the file messages/de/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po doesn't have any 
effect.

Torsten



From jviera at wareham.k12.ma.us  Thu Mar 25 22:34:56 2004
From: jviera at wareham.k12.ma.us (Justin Viera)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:34:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help with Mailman software
Message-ID: <web-22402063@mailserv.mecnet.net>

Greetings,

My name is Justin Viera and I work for Wareham Public
Schools in Wareham, MA.  We are just setting up our list
server using mailman software and we ran into a problem
that the company we are using to host can't seem to give us
an answer on.  In the "archives" section, how would you
delete threads or the entire archive if we wished to do so
in case something that no longer applied or we didnt want
seen got posted.  I know there is filtering but some things
that are allowed to mail out we dont necessarily want
permanently showing on the archives.  Please help!!

Justin Viera
WPS



From jason at intervis.com.au  Fri Mar 26 05:12:54 2004
From: jason at intervis.com.au (Jason Marty)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:12:54 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customising pages
Message-ID: <BC89F8F6.6C4F%jason@intervis.com.au>

I?ve customised the html pages in the list options an have searched all the
other html pages in the Mailman directory (OS X Panther) but cannot find the
options login page.
Does anyone know where this may be?
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From subhasis at prl.ernet.in  Fri Mar 26 10:04:11 2004
From: subhasis at prl.ernet.in (Subhasis Mahapatra)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:34:11 +0530 (India Standard Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail+mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.31.0403261433380.-258457@n0cc3.prl.ernet.in>

i ready have qmail running as MTA and i like to use mailman as maillist
how to set mailman and qmail to be work correctly


With Best Regards,

Subhasis Mahapatra




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Mar 26 12:15:03 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:15:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Templates
Message-ID: <4063CA67.12993.43BC2B@localhost>

Reposting because I got unsubbed from the list and the original got 
held. Appologies if you get this twice.

I have looked in the $prefix/templates, $prefix/templates/en and 
$prefix/templates/uk directory. I have looked in the FAQ.  

Either I'm blind or just plain old dumb, but I can't seem to fine the 
HTML template that builds the list of list page. The page that you 
first get when you goto example.com/mailman/listinfo/  

I found the individual list info template 
($prefix/templates/en/listinfo.html), but I can't seem to find the 
one that builds the list of lists.  

Help. Please?

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I've learned....
That to ignore the facts does not change the facts.





From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Mar 26 13:00:18 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:00:18 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Templates
In-Reply-To: <4063CA67.12993.43BC2B@localhost>
References: <4063CA67.12993.43BC2B@localhost>
Message-ID: <26798678-7F1D-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>


On 26 Mar 2004, at 11:15, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> Reposting because I got unsubbed from the list and the original got
> held. Appologies if you get this twice.
>
> I have looked in the $prefix/templates, $prefix/templates/en and
> $prefix/templates/uk directory. I have looked in the FAQ.
>
> Either I'm blind or just plain old dumb, but I can't seem to fine the
> HTML template that builds the list of list page. The page that you
> first get when you goto example.com/mailman/listinfo/
>
> I found the individual list info template
> ($prefix/templates/en/listinfo.html), but I can't seem to find the
> one that builds the list of lists.
>
> Help. Please?
>

Unfortunately so in MM 2.1.x that page is not built from a template 
file.

See the listinfo_overview() function defined in 
$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, which generates the page; it starts as 
follows (note the comment):

<quote>
def listinfo_overview(msg=''):
     # Present the general listinfo overview
     hostname = Utils.get_domain()
     # Set up the document and assign it the correct language.  The only 
one we
     # know about at the moment is the server's default.
     doc = Document()
</quote>

> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> I've learned....
> That to ignore the facts does not change the facts.




From antait at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar 26 13:47:31 2004
From: antait at blueyonder.co.uk (Andrew Tait)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:47:31 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] De-dashing mailman
Message-ID: <230301c41330$81054260$5c79a8c0@ASPIRING>

Hello,

My first question here, so please be gentle!

I have installed Mailman 2.1.4 under Fedora, and it's running perfectly.
Due to the constraints of the network/ISP I am working with, the incoming
mail for the domain is fetchmailed from a POP3 server on the ISP's machine,
then procmailed around merrily.  So far, so good.

Unfortunately, my ISP doesn't allow POP3 mailboxes or aliases with hyphens
in them (or any other non A-z character I think), so I can't tell
newsletter-owner, newsletter-subscribe etc. to go to their own POP account.
Yes, I can have the POP3 account set up as a catch-all, but that's messy as
it means having a huge table of aliases to the non-Mailman POP3 account in
the main building.  Too much work!

Two questions:

1)  Can I easily (or not easily) remove the hyphen from the underlying
account names, so that newsletterowner, newsletterunsubscribe,
newsletterannounce etc. will work instead of the defaults.  I understand
that all I need to do in /etc/aliases is take out the hyphens, but I think
that Mailman's internal mechanisms still use the hypenated account names.

2)  Am I using the wrong tool?  I'm really looking for mail distribution,
rather than mailing list software, for distributing a newsletter once a
month to perhaps a maximum of 4 lists.  (There might be a separate
newsletter for prospective customers)  In other words, I don't want/need
users to be able to post to each other, as they're just blind recipients for
my newsletter.  (In Mailman I have set my newsletter list to always moderate
posts from anyone apart from me)

That's pretty much it.  Any advice would be appreciated (so long as it isn't
"get a new ISP" ;)

Thanks,

Andrew





From pareilly at tcd.ie  Fri Mar 26 13:54:12 2004
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (pareilly at tcd.ie)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:54:12 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Templates
In-Reply-To: <4063CA67.12993.43BC2B@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0403261250410.327922-100000@web2.tcd.ie>


> Either I'm blind or just plain old dumb, but I can't seem to fine the
> HTML template that builds the list of list page. The page that you
> first get when you goto example.com/mailman/listinfo/
>
A lot of these things are hard coded in the Python source.
You can't change them without editing the python, and then
re-compiling the software.

Even then, you need to be very careful, or otherwise the program will die
with a fatal traceback error. It's a bit tricky.

It's a pity things like this are hard -coded, as otherwie Mailman is
excellent. But there's some things you just can't change.

Paul




From mailman-users at xonx.de  Fri Mar 26 14:10:26 2004
From: mailman-users at xonx.de (Steffen Mueller)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:10:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help with Mailman software
In-Reply-To: <web-22402063@mailserv.mecnet.net>
References: <web-22402063@mailserv.mecnet.net>
Message-ID: <40642BC2.6000706@xonx.de>

On 03/25/04 22:34 Justin Viera wrote:

> an answer on.  In the "archives" section, how would you
> delete threads or the entire archive if we wished to do so

Hi.

To delete single threads, you need to edit the raw archive "mbox" 
directly (via shell), and then regenerate the archive.
for detailed information, check the Mailman FAQ on:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp


To delete the entire archive:
1. in the list-administration-panel, turn off archiving (option archive) 
and switch archive from public to private if it's public (option 
archive_private)

2. do the things as described in the FAQ. when editing the raw archive 
(mbox), just delete all entries.

if you want to reenable archiving later, just turn on archiving (option 
archive) in the list-administration-panel (and set it to public if you 
like to).


-- 
cheers,
Steffen Mueller



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Mar 26 14:45:58 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 8:45:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Templates
Message-ID: <20040326134558.VVAA28089.tomts44-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net>

> From: Richard Barrett <r.barrett at ftel.co.uk>

> On 26 Mar 2004, at 11:15, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> 
> > Either I'm blind or just plain old dumb, but I can't seem to fine the
> > HTML template that builds the list of list page. The page that you
> > first get when you goto example.com/mailman/listinfo/

> Unfortunately so in MM 2.1.x that page is not built from a template 
> file.

Ah, that explains why I couldn't find it last night.

Thanks Richard.


--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!




From lmahaney at perilpoint.com  Fri Mar 26 16:18:54 2004
From: lmahaney at perilpoint.com (Larry Mahaney)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:18:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe included on all posts
Message-ID: <001101c41345$a9dd99c0$4000000a@walkernet.local>

Hello
I am a newbie to Mailman.  Could someone tell me how to include an
option to OPT OUT of the mailing list that will be included on all
posts?  Is this something that can be done in Mailman??\
 
Thank you in advance.
 
Larry Mahaney
PerilPoint Communications Inc.
P.O. Box 426
Venice, FL  34292
(941) 587-7225 Cell
(941) 486-1720 Office
(941) 486-1730 Fax
 
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Mar 26 12:00:24 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:00:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Templates
Message-ID: <4063C6F8.9831.3650D6@localhost>

I have looked in the $prefix/templates, $prefix/templates/en and 
$prefix/templates/uk directory. I have looked in the FAQ.

Either I'm blind or just plain old dumb, but I can't seem to fine the 
HTML template that builds the list of list page. The page that you 
first get when you goto example.com/mailman/listinfo/

I found the individual list info template 
($prefix/templates/en/listinfo.html), but I can't seem to find the 
one that builds the list of lists.

Help? Please.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Normal people worry me.





From andyk at spunge.org  Fri Mar 26 13:42:32 2004
From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:42:32 -0600 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking messages with the same message-id.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403260642150.5873@chi.spunge.org>

Is there any setting in Mailman to block sending of a post with the same
message-ID for the second time?

ak




From bob.bulcaen at leiedal.be  Fri Mar 26 16:21:55 2004
From: bob.bulcaen at leiedal.be (Bulcaen Bob)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:21:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list administration - automatic approval
Message-ID: <EC7CC594E08D4147817C940DBA6E4B3B613DE2@Massai.leiedal.local>

Hello,
 
Is it possible to approve automatically new subscriptions.
That is, without approval via the mailmaster.
 
Many thanks for the answer, and the great software !
 
kind regards,
 
Bob
 
___________________________________________ 

Intercommunale Leiedal 
President Kennedypark 10 - 8500 Kortrijk 
tel + 32 56 24 16 16 - fax + 32 56 22 89 03
bob.bulcaen at leiedal.be - www.leiedal.be <http://www.leiedal.be/>  





 
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From jamie at silverdream.org  Fri Mar 26 17:00:50 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:00:50 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list administration - automatic approval
In-Reply-To: <EC7CC594E08D4147817C940DBA6E4B3B613DE2@Massai.leiedal.local>
References: <EC7CC594E08D4147817C940DBA6E4B3B613DE2@Massai.leiedal.local>
Message-ID: <1080316849.22813.9.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 15:21, Bulcaen Bob wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> Is it possible to approve automatically new subscriptions.
> That is, without approval via the mailmaster.
>  
> Many thanks for the answer, and the great software !

See the previous thread "Stopping the confirmation email" for ways of
doing this, and why it is a **Very Bad Idea** (and may actually be
illegal in some areas):

Original post -
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-March/035441.html

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-March/035443.html
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-March/035445.html

-- 
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From jamie at silverdream.org  Fri Mar 26 19:09:18 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:09:18 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list administration - automatic approval
In-Reply-To: <D0580658-7F41-11D8-BDFA-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <EC7CC594E08D4147817C940DBA6E4B3B613DE2@Massai.leiedal.local>
	<1080316849.22813.9.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>
	<D0580658-7F41-11D8-BDFA-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1080324558.22813.101.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 16:22, Richard Barrett wrote:
> Not requiring approval and not requiring confirmation are two different 
> things.
> 
> With MM 2.1.x, on the Privacy->Subscription Rules page of the admin web 
> GUI for a list, you can choose between three options described thusly:
<snip>

Ooops.. looks like I forgot my morning cup of coffee again :/

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From dev at sae.gr  Fri Mar 26 21:43:11 2004
From: dev at sae.gr (Dev Team)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:43:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list problem...
Message-ID: <464076958.20040326224311@sae.gr>

Hello mailman-users,

  i have several mailing list in my mailman installation, between them
  a rather large one, with 15.000 subscribers.
  after a power-supply failure, this specific mailing list stopped
  working !
  
  I can access all other mailing lists through www interface, but when
  i enter my password for this list, stops there for 5-10 minutes, and
  after this returns to the login page without an error message..

  Well, how can i start to recover this ? are there any command line
  utilities/scripts to check the integrity of all files for this list
  ?

  I'm running mailman version 2.1.3.


  thank you very much in advance...
  
  

-- 
Best regards,
 Dev                          mailto:dev at sae.gr




From craig.elkins at verizon.net  Fri Mar 26 21:57:38 2004
From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:57:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: email didn't post to listserv
Message-ID: <000e01c41374$f94fb0e0$0affff0a@computer>

hi,

i have no more specific info than this - from what i can see, the listserv member sent out an email to the correct address, it didn't bounce back to her, it didn't bounce in the listserv, nothing happened - it just didn't post.

any ideas?  how can i find out if it made it's way to the server at all?

thanks,
craig
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From dev at sae.gr  Fri Mar 26 21:59:49 2004
From: dev at sae.gr (Dev Team)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:59:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list problem...
In-Reply-To: <F55FE452-7F66-11D8-8B23-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
References: <464076958.20040326224311@sae.gr>
	<F55FE452-7F66-11D8-8B23-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <487069211.20040326225949@sae.gr>

Hello Dan,

Friday, March 26, 2004, 10:48:38 PM, you wrote:




DP> Have you tried running bin/check_db listname ?

yeap. it does nothing.
i still cannot get into the list interface

DP> Dan


DP> On Mar 26, 2004, at 2:43 PM, Dev Team wrote:

>> Hello mailman-users,
>>
>>   i have several mailing list in my mailman installation, between them
>>   a rather large one, with 15.000 subscribers.
>>   after a power-supply failure, this specific mailing list stopped
>>   working !
>>
>>   I can access all other mailing lists through www interface, but when
>>   i enter my password for this list, stops there for 5-10 minutes, and
>>   after this returns to the login page without an error message..
>>
>>   Well, how can i start to recover this ? are there any command line
>>   utilities/scripts to check the integrity of all files for this list
>>   ?
>>
>>   I'm running mailman version 2.1.3.
>>
>>

-- 
Best regards,
 Dev                            mailto:dev at sae.gr




From G.Booth at usm.edu  Fri Mar 26 22:06:08 2004
From: G.Booth at usm.edu (George Booth)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:06:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list problem...
References: <464076958.20040326224311@sae.gr>
Message-ID: <000d01c41376$29225100$f3cb5f83@otr.usm.edu>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dev Team" <dev at sae.gr>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 2:43 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list problem...


>   Well, how can i start to recover this ? are there any command line
>   utilities/scripts to check the integrity of all files for this list
>   ?

I had this same problem a few weeks ago, with 2 lists that just stopped
responding to web interface logins. I just used the 'list_members' function,
piped it into a temporary file, removed the list, recreated it, and used the
'add_members' function to import the members back in. Of course, remembering
the exact configuration was a bit tricky, but if this is a major list,
chances are you remember how it was set up (restricted posting, closed
membership, list owner, etc). I've no idea what caused it, but recovery
wasn't really that much of a hassle.

Hope that helps.

George

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
George Booth
iTech Systems, TIU
System Administrator
G.Booth at usm.edu




From jelly+mailman-user at srk.fer.hr  Fri Mar 26 01:48:47 2004
From: jelly+mailman-user at srk.fer.hr (Zoran Dzelajlija)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:48:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Add ability for admin to change email addresses
	inside List database
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040318100914.02cd4e30@pop.mindspring.com>
	<1079626999.4514.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040326004847.990.7.NOFFLE@islands.iskon.hr>

Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> It almost trivial to write a command line tool that would change an
> email address inside the list database.

I apologize for replying to an old thread, but it seems to me that your
trivial tool already exists:  ;-)

clone_member -l list -r old-address new-address

Regards,
Zoran




From craig.elkins at verizon.net  Fri Mar 26 22:59:22 2004
From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:59:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: email not posted/new members not getting member
	emails
Message-ID: <002a01c4137d$993d7d00$0affff0a@computer>


Hi,

I'm starting to suspect that my listserv isn't working. 2 things;

1. i just signed 2 of my email addresses up to my list and neither got the welcome message - i'm also the moderator and i didn't get a message informing me of the new members.

2. a member sent an email a few days back - i checked my server log files and it made it to the server and (pardon my ignorance here) i guess it got sent to mailman -from there  i can't tell what happened  - where are the mailman email log files so i can have a look?

thanks!!!!!!

craig
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sat Mar 27 01:09:35 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:09:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Templates
In-Reply-To: <26798678-7F1D-11D8-9BA6-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
References: <4063CA67.12993.43BC2B@localhost>
Message-ID: <40647FEF.30922.69837F@localhost>

On 26 Mar 2004 at 12:00, Richard Barrett wrote:

> On 26 Mar 2004, at 11:15, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> > Either I'm blind or just plain old dumb, but I can't seem to fine
> > the HTML template that builds the list of list page. The page that
> > you first get when you goto example.com/mailman/listinfo/

> Unfortunately so in MM 2.1.x that page is not built from a template
> file.
> 
> See the listinfo_overview() function defined in 
> $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, which generates the page; it starts
> as follows (note the comment):

Has anyone hacked MM 2.1.4 to use a template for the main listinfo 
page?

I didn't see any patches in the SF patch repository.

If anyone has, was it hard to do? or is it a case of creating a 
template and make the listinfo_overview() similar to list_listinfo()?

Thanks,

--
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'The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground 
and miss.' - HHGTG





From alois at astro.ch  Sat Mar 27 10:50:12 2004
From: alois at astro.ch (Alois Treindl)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:50:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering mail for mailing list on separate mail
	server
Message-ID: <40654E54.4030709@astro.ch>

I want to setup mailman for a public mailing list.

It should run on a special server (host B) located in the DMZ of our 
company.

The mail server (host A) of our institution runs inside the firewall, 
and cannot run a public http server. Also, no NFS mounts can be made 
between the mail server A and the 'mailman' host B.

Currently, host A is configured as 'smart host' in B's sendmail 
configuration. B does no mail handling by itself, and has no 'users'.
All mail, if any occurs,  is forwarded to A for handling.

We have extensive spam and virus filtering setup for the mail server 
host A, and I want to use this also for mail coming into the mailing list.

i.e. A should be the recipient for all mail (list submissions, list 
management requests) for the mailman mailing lists, should process it 
through its spam and virus filtering, and then forward it to the mailman 
host B for processing by mailman.

I have currently no clear understanding how I need to configure
- sendmail on both, A, and B, to make this work
- mailman on host B, to hide the origin from B in all outgoing mail 
addresses (it can be visible in the Received headers)

Where do I find advice or HOWTO information for such a setup?



From chardlist at chard.net  Sat Mar 27 18:35:03 2004
From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:35:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integration with ClamAV
Message-ID: <200403271738.i2RHcQDU082398@server5.chard.net>

I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 on a FreeBSD server using sendmail as my MTA.  I
have ClamAV already installed and running using the clamd/clamc combo

What is the best way to integrate ClamAV with Mailman so that viruses posted
to lists will be nuked?


Thanks,
-Brendan
brendan at chard.net




From craig.elkins at verizon.net  Sat Mar 27 18:35:24 2004
From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:35:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: list has stopped working - i can use the
	interface, enlist new members, etc.  but no messages get sent out
Message-ID: <002101c41421$e32efc00$0affff0a@computer>

hi -

basically the subject line says it all:

re: list has stopped working - i can use the interface, enlist new members, etc. but no messages get sent out

i noticed this when i member asked why their post hadn't gone out to the list.  so i did some checking and the member's post was sent to the server and the server sent it to mailman but it seems to have stopped there.   

i then went to sign myself up to the list (4 email addresses in all) and, although they show up in the members list, i don't get the welcome message (or the unsubscibe message for that matter) in addition i tried sending a test email to the list and got nothing.  also, i'm the moderator and administrator and haven't received any new member emails.

so, basically the whole thing just stopped working literally over night and i haven't made any changes to it!  please be advised that i'm not a python programmer and this is the 1st time i've ever used mailman.



thanks!!!!!!!



craig



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From jamie at silverdream.org  Sat Mar 27 19:00:54 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:00:54 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: list has stopped working - i can use the
	interface, enlist new members, etc.  but no messages get sent out
In-Reply-To: <002101c41421$e32efc00$0affff0a@computer>
References: <002101c41421$e32efc00$0affff0a@computer>
Message-ID: <1080410453.22813.938.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 17:35, Craig Elkins wrote:
> i noticed this when i member asked why their post hadn't gone out to
> the list.  so i did some checking and the member's post was sent to
> the server and the server sent it to mailman but it seems to have
> stopped there.   

This is an FAQ -- take a look at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#1.7

RTFM before posting next time.

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From rcs at malibyte.net  Sun Mar 28 01:37:24 2004
From: rcs at malibyte.net (Bob Sully)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:37:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integration with ClamAV
In-Reply-To: <200403271738.i2RHcQDU082398@server5.chard.net>
References: <200403271738.i2RHcQDU082398@server5.chard.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403271636220.579@firefox.malibyte.net>


Use ClamAV with MimeDefang, and set it up so anything with a virus 
signature gets rejected.  Works wonderfully on my servers.


On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Brendan Chard wrote:

> I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 on a FreeBSD server using sendmail as my MTA.  I
> have ClamAV already installed and running using the clamd/clamc combo
> 
> What is the best way to integrate ClamAV with Mailman so that viruses posted
> to lists will be nuked?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> -Brendan
> brendan at chard.net

________________________________________
Bob Sully - Simi Valley, California, USA
http://www.malibyte.net
http://www.malibyte.com

"The floggings will continue until morale improves."



From karl at sfdata.net  Sun Mar 28 10:34:22 2004
From: karl at sfdata.net (Karl R. Balsmeier)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 00:34:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integration with Qmail
In-Reply-To: <200403271738.i2RHcQDU082398@server5.chard.net>
References: <200403271738.i2RHcQDU082398@server5.chard.net>
Message-ID: <15052.216.175.80.15.1080462862.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>

I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 on a RH9-based server using Qmail as my MTA.

What is the best way to tell qmail a mail is for the list instead of a
person?  The documentation file shows a running commentary, is it OK to
chown root qmail as the document suggests?

-karlski



From richard at endace.com  Mon Mar 29 04:34:00 2004
From: richard at endace.com (Richard Stevenson)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:34:00 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1.  Or so it says...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403291429310.3413@zhba.rg.raqnpr.pbz>

Hi all

I'm using Mailman on FreeBSD 5.0, installed from the ports collection,
with Python 2.2.  Over the weekend, I updated that system for security
reasons, so we're now running at patch level 20 instead of patch level 8.
I now have problems with Mailman, and would appreciate some pointers on
where to look.

My mailing lists appear to be working as designed, apart from the web
interface.  I can point my browser at the admindb/listname page, give it
the password, and then I get this:

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 238, in main
    mlist.Save()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 505, in Save
    self.__save(dict)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 465, in __save
    cPickle.dump(dict, fp, 1)
SystemError: frexp() result out of range


I've tried upgrading Mailman, Python, and both, and still have the same
problem.  I'm guessing that something changed in the system, but looking
at the Mailman code doesn't give me any clues as to what's going wrong, or
what I can do to fix it.  Can someone give me a few pointers?  I'm a bit
stuck if I can't moderate my lists...

Regards

Richard




-- 
Richard Stevenson



From a.carter at intrasoft.lu  Mon Mar 29 11:00:29 2004
From: a.carter at intrasoft.lu (CARTER Anthony)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:00:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests and mailman
Message-ID: <A2DF56E8BC9B964884DD1A7C9C812C0F01301585@mailsvr.intrasoft.lu>

I am using mailman 2.1 (not 2.1.3 or 2.1.4) I think it is 2.1.1.

My archives seem to be fine apart from the long line wraps, however my
digests seem to be very strange. Shown below is an example:

I get a message as such:

>From: epso-forum-request at epso.intrasoft.lu
>Subject: ePSO-Forum Digest, Vol 14, Issue 4
>
>Send ePSO-Forum mailing list submissions to
>	epso-forum at www.e-pso.info

>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>	http://www.e-pso.info/mailman/listinfo/epso-forum
>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>	epso-forum-request at www.e-pso.info
>
>You can reach the person managing the list at
>	epso-forum-owner at www.e-pso.info

>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>than "Re: Contents of ePSO-Forum digest..."

Which is fine. I have the following attachments:

Digest Header
Today's Topics
Untitled Attachment
Digest Footer


The Digest Header and Footer are fine. The Today's topics just have the
subject in a text document. My first question is why it is called "Untitled
Attachment" in EML and when you click on it it opens to another message with
another message per subject?

Additionally, and more problematic is that the messages then come as:

>Dear ePSO forum members,
>
>
>We would like to inform you that the Payments and Settlements News (P+S-N)
=
>No.4 is now available on the ePSO website at http://www.e-pso.info.
>
>The aim of this newsletter is to provide brief information publicly
availab=
>le on the Internet on developments in the area of payment and securities
se=
>ttlement systems (such as news, press releases, speeches, articles, etc.).
=
>This newsletter is produced and posted on the ePSO website on a regular
bas=
>is. It addresses all readers interested in more general news on payments
an=
>d securities settlement infrastructures, notably also on the regulation
and=
> oversight issues. =

See all the "=" signs at then end of the lines? Where are these being put in
because it certainly
is not in the archive.

Thanks for any help,
Anthony



From ichankl at iprimus.com.au  Mon Mar 29 13:54:12 2004
From: ichankl at iprimus.com.au (ichankl at iprimus.com.au)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:54:12 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment problems
Message-ID: <404BC1910000BB9B@cpms02.int.iprimus.net.au>

Hi,
Mailman is the default mailing list application offered by my web hosting
company through its web-based control panel interface.

I created a mailing list but we have been experiencing problems with attachments.
Whenever an email message with an attachment is sent to the mailing list,
the email message gets through to all recipients but the attachment (whether
a Word document, image, PDF or Excel file etc) will always be scrubbed and
shows up as a unopenable .dat file. The attachment is also scrubbed at the
list archives so there's no way list members can view the attachment. 

Does anyone have any advice how to get around this problem, so that attachments
can pass through successfully in the original message to all recipients?

I have the content filtering option set to "No", and have not placed any
limits on message size.

Thanks
Iris Chan




From a.carter at intrasoft.lu  Mon Mar 29 14:23:06 2004
From: a.carter at intrasoft.lu (CARTER Anthony)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:23:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment problems
Message-ID: <A2DF56E8BC9B964884DD1A7C9C812C0F01301589@mailsvr.intrasoft.lu>

Hi,

Take a look in the management console in the content filtering options.
Check out the pass types. You could add some attachment types (mine are as
below) to allow excel files through. Don't know exactly what you would need
to put, but any good html documentation would be able to tell you what the
attachment type is for an excel spreadsheet.


multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain


This is an idea, dunno if it will work. Please note that the pass types that
are NOT listed are scrubbed.

Anthony



-----Original Message-----
From: ichankl at iprimus.com.au [mailto:ichankl at iprimus.com.au]
Sent: 29 March 2004 13:54
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment problems


Hi,
Mailman is the default mailing list application offered by my web hosting
company through its web-based control panel interface.

I created a mailing list but we have been experiencing problems with
attachments.
Whenever an email message with an attachment is sent to the mailing list,
the email message gets through to all recipients but the attachment (whether
a Word document, image, PDF or Excel file etc) will always be scrubbed and
shows up as a unopenable .dat file. The attachment is also scrubbed at the
list archives so there's no way list members can view the attachment. 

Does anyone have any advice how to get around this problem, so that
attachments
can pass through successfully in the original message to all recipients?

I have the content filtering option set to "No", and have not placed any
limits on message size.

Thanks
Iris Chan


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From p.cocco at tin.it  Mon Mar 29 15:57:29 2004
From: p.cocco at tin.it (PiCo)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:57:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and postfix on SuSe linux
Message-ID: <opr5mmd3ac6v1yae@localhost>

Hi
I'm trying to configure mailman with postfix on Suse linux.
I follwing the step for mailman configuration as I can see into doc folder 
of my distribution.  Everything siims to be correct, but no e-mail is 
sended from my server....
and if I try to start mailman I receive:
"starting mailmanSite is missing: mailman 		failed"

 From web interface I can create and manage list, but no e-mail start from 
the server....
Any idea???

Ciao

------------------------
PiCo
ICQ # 105570291
Tel.: +39 335 1234 475
Fax.: +39 06 233 2401 88
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From jamie at silverdream.org  Mon Mar 29 16:09:54 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:09:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and postfix on SuSe linux
In-Reply-To: <opr5mmd3ac6v1yae@localhost>
References: <opr5mmd3ac6v1yae@localhost>
Message-ID: <1080569394.1117.251.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 14:57, PiCo wrote:
> Hi
> I'm trying to configure mailman with postfix on Suse linux.
> I follwing the step for mailman configuration as I can see into doc folder 
> of my distribution.  Everything siims to be correct, but no e-mail is 
> sended from my server....
> and if I try to start mailman I receive:
> "starting mailmanSite is missing: mailman 		failed"

**RTFM** - you didn't create the mailman list like it told you to.
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.005.htp

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From jason at data-flow.org.uk  Mon Mar 29 16:46:22 2004
From: jason at data-flow.org.uk (Jason Shouler)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:46:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for web interface with 2.1.4
Message-ID: <406836BE.4040302@data-flow.org.uk>

We've just moved up to 2.1.4 from 2.0.8

One of the nice features of the older version was the ability to pretty 
much change the Base URL 'on the fly' via the management general options.

This facility seems to be completely missing on the newer version  - in 
fact I can't find any way of doing at all!

Have I missed something?

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From toml at engr.orst.edu  Mon Mar 29 17:51:02 2004
From: toml at engr.orst.edu (Tom Lieuallen)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:51:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no quotas for mailman, but Disc quota exceeded
Message-ID: <1080575462.8099.82.camel@diem>

Last week, I moved our mailman install to a different partition where we
have more space and so I could export it via nfs.

It is in /a1/mailman on the mail server.  I nfs exported it so 
that we could run the cgi's and access the archives from our
web server.

The new partition has quotas, but no users affiliated with mailman that
I'm aware of have quotas (root, mailman, web, etc).  

Ever since this change, I have been receiving error messages from
mailman mentioning being over quota.  I su'ed to mailman and created a
2GB file, so whatever problem is just not apparent from the OS.  Inodes
are not a problem.

Here is one such error:

/usr/local/bin/python -S /nfs/mailserver/mailman/cron/checkdbs
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/nfs/mailserver/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 178, in ?
    main()
  File "/nfs/mailserver/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 116, in main
    msg.send(mlist, **{'tomoderators': 1})
  File "/nfs/mailserver/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 233, in send
    self._enqueue(mlist, **_kws)
  File "/nfs/mailserver/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 244, in
_enqueue
    reduced_list_headers = 1,
  File "/nfs/mailserver/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 140,
in enqueue
    os.rename(tmpfile, dbfile)
OSError: [Errno 49] Disc quota exceeded


Sometimes I get the following at the end as well:
IOError: [Errno 49] Disc quota exceeded:
'/nfs/mailserver/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1080572024.023294+cd84baf511cb85297459732fbb20d8efbdda234a.db.tmp'

I've seen similar quota messages from senddigests and 'disabled' cron
jobs.  

I'm baffled.  Does anyone have ideas?
Mailman 2.1.4   Solaris 8

thank you

Tom Lieuallen
Oregon State University
College of Engineering




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Mar 26 17:22:45 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:22:45 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list administration - automatic approval
In-Reply-To: <1080316849.22813.9.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>
References: <EC7CC594E08D4147817C940DBA6E4B3B613DE2@Massai.leiedal.local>
	<1080316849.22813.9.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>
Message-ID: <D0580658-7F41-11D8-BDFA-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 26 Mar 2004, at 16:00, Jamie L. Penman-Smithson wrote:

> On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 15:21, Bulcaen Bob wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is it possible to approve automatically new subscriptions.
>> That is, without approval via the mailmaster.
>>
>> Many thanks for the answer, and the great software !
>
> See the previous thread "Stopping the confirmation email" for ways of
> doing this, and why it is a **Very Bad Idea** (and may actually be
> illegal in some areas):
>

Not requiring approval and not requiring confirmation are two different 
things.

With MM 2.1.x, on the Privacy->Subscription Rules page of the admin web 
GUI for a list, you can choose between three options described thusly:

<quote>
subscribe_policy (privacy): What steps are required for subscription?

Confirm (*) - email confirmation required
Require approval - require list administrator  approval for 
subscriptions
Confirm and approve - both confirm and approve

(*) when someone requests a subscription,  Mailman sends them a notice 
with a unique subscription request number that they must reply to  in 
order to subscribe.
This prevents  mischievous (or malicious) people from creating  
subscriptions for others without their consent.
</quote>

I agree it is best not to remove the confirmation requirement. But 
approval is to let you vet people subscribing and is not the same thing 
as confirmed subscription.


> Original post -
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-March/035441.html
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-March/035443.html
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-March/035445.html
>
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From wendelinjohnson at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 28 19:05:46 2004
From: wendelinjohnson at yahoo.com (Wendy Johnson)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:05:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up mailman on lunarpages.com
Message-ID: <20040328170546.89268.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com>

Perhaps mailman is too sophisticated for my needs. I
have a site hosted by lunarpages which offers mailman
for free.

I want to configure mailman so I can use it to send
email to those who subscribe. I do not want
subscribers to post to this list. I also do not need
users to set up a password. 

How do I remove these options? 

I have looked through as many faqs as I can find, and
reviewed the set-up panels...if you could point me to
a specific set of variables that need to be answered
'yes' or 'no' to, I would appreciate it.

Thank you, 
Wendy



From venaseph_5 at adelphia.net  Sat Mar 27 08:09:38 2004
From: venaseph_5 at adelphia.net (Venaseph)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:09:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BOunce messages
Message-ID: <007d01c413ca$79227780$4c3fa245@Daath>

Hey, I have a mailman list, set up thru my liquid web account. I have
everyone subed that wants to be on the list, yet everytime they send a
message they recieve this email in reply.....
---------------------------
You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
Mailman-owner at yuri.liquidweb.com.
-----------------------------

I do have it set to only allow plain text thru, please help me!

Thx,
Venaseph.txt





From ichankl at iprimus.com.au  Sun Mar 28 07:34:31 2004
From: ichankl at iprimus.com.au (Iris Chan)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:34:31 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment problem
Message-ID: <000801c41486$59b95d70$ce3432d2@ICHAN>

I am using a hosting company whose offers Mailman mailing list as part of their cPanel interface. I created a mailing list but have been encountering problems with attachments. The mail message goes through but attachments are always scrubbed not only at the recipient message level but also in the list archives. How can that be fixed? 
I am a technical dummy and because Mailman is the default mailing list offered in the web interface, I can't change codes, only options in the list admin interface.

Thanks
Iris

From filipe at fearp.usp.br  Mon Mar 29 19:38:38 2004
From: filipe at fearp.usp.br (Filipe Goncalves Mesquita)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:38:38 -0300 (BRT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail + Mailman
Message-ID: <20040329143607.N1547@pandora.fearp.usp.br>

Tenho rodando em meu servidor FreeBSD 5.1, Mailman e Sendmail.

Crio as listas corretamente, os usuarios sao adicionados e informados via
e-mail... mas quando envio uma mensagem para a lista, recebo um e-mail de
erro com o seguinte conteudo:


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:57:17 -0300 (BRT)
From: <MAILER-DAEMON>
To: filipe at fearp.usp.br
Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details

The original message was received at Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:57:17 -0300 (BRT)
from localhost.fearp.usp.br [127.0.0.1]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post funcionarios"
    (reason: User unknown)
    (expanded from: <funcionarios at fearp.usp.br>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
procmail: Unknown user "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post funcionarios"
550 5.1.1 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post funcionarios"... User unknown



From lthao at elmbrook.org  Mon Mar 29 19:48:19 2004
From: lthao at elmbrook.org (Lee Thao)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:48:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filter by domain - FAQ 3.33
Message-ID: <200403291748.i2THmS7U005300@linuxmail.elmbrook.org>

Is there an answer to the following?  Please reply to the list AND submit to
FAQ.  Thnx.

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.33

3.33. How do I accept all addresses from a particular domain?
If I want postings from all non-members at a particular domain to be
accepted, how do I go about doing that without adding them each
individually? 

Edit this entry / Log info / Last changed on Fri Mar 12 06:29:02 2004 by
Anthony 




From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Mon Mar 29 20:07:09 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:07:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Utilizing SpamAssassin w/ MailMan (repost)
Message-ID: <c49okd$g4n$1@sea.gmane.org>

This is a repost, but judging by the lack of responses, I think it might
be good to ask again.  Is there a way to utilize SpamAssassin running on
the same box as Mailman?

By that, I mean SA is already running, so all email coming in will be
scored by SA for its 'spamminess'.

Is there a way to get MM to place those messages with a Spam=Yes score
on hold until the list owner can review the message on an otherwise
unmoderated list?  I want this for ALL lists (a global setting).


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From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Mon Mar 29 20:08:29 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:08:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Integration with ClamAV
References: <200403271738.i2RHcQDU082398@server5.chard.net>
Message-ID: <c49oms$gbs$1@sea.gmane.org>

Brendan Chard <chardlist at chard.net> wrote:
> I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 on a FreeBSD server using sendmail as my
> MTA.  I have ClamAV already installed and running using the
> clamd/clamc combo
>
> What is the best way to integrate ClamAV with Mailman so that viruses
> posted to lists will be nuked?

I use MailScanner.  It processes the virus messages before MailMan gets
a chance to distribute them.


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Department of Physics                           fax: 979-845-2590
Texas A&M University






From craig.elkins at verizon.net  Mon Mar 29 20:06:30 2004
From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:06:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: tried everything in faqs, manual,
	- all looks good, but email still not sending
Message-ID: <014f01c415b8$90726b80$0affff0a@computer>

HI,

I'm running Version 2.1.4 on a solaris server.  My MTA is postfix.  

I've tried all solutions in faqs, archives, etc. - nothing seems to work.  basically my email won't go out.  the last bit of success i had with it was when i stopped and started:

/usr/local/bin/virtual ~/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop
/usr/local/bin/virtual ~/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start

and i was told it removed a stale pid.  after that, i got all of the email that was stored in qfiles/in but nothing else seems to make it through.  qrunner appears to be running fine. i deleted lock files and qrunner created 2 new ones when i sent a new email. smtp for last email sent:

Mar 29 17:19:54 2004 (383) <mailman.0.1080580792.12225.ptlaboard at philatlamail.org> smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.349 seconds

what else is there?  this has worked before then one day just stopped.  any help much much appreciated!!

thanks,
craig
  



From mailman-users at xonx.de  Mon Mar 29 20:42:18 2004
From: mailman-users at xonx.de (Steffen Mueller)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:42:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment problem
In-Reply-To: <000801c41486$59b95d70$ce3432d2@ICHAN>
References: <000801c41486$59b95d70$ce3432d2@ICHAN>
Message-ID: <40686E0A.7030209@xonx.de>

On 03/28/04 07:34 Iris Chan wrote:
> I am using a hosting company whose offers Mailman mailing list as part of their cPanel interface. I created a mailing list but have been encountering problems with attachments. The mail message goes through but attachments are always scrubbed not only at the recipient message level but also in the list archives. How can that be fixed? 

Hi.

Maybe attachments are filtered:
If you're using Mailman 2.1, on the admin page, go to the Content 
Filtering section. Change "Should Mailman filter ..." to No.
see FAQ: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.008.htp

-- 
cheers,
Steffen Mueller



From jamie at silverdream.org  Mon Mar 29 21:29:16 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:29:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Integration with ClamAV
In-Reply-To: <c49oms$gbs$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <200403271738.i2RHcQDU082398@server5.chard.net>
	<c49oms$gbs$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1080588556.1117.266.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 19:08, Chris Barnes wrote:
> Brendan Chard <chardlist at chard.net> wrote:
> > I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 on a FreeBSD server using sendmail as my
> > MTA.  I have ClamAV already installed and running using the
> > clamd/clamc combo
> >
> > What is the best way to integrate ClamAV with Mailman so that viruses
> > posted to lists will be nuked?
> 
> I use MailScanner.  It processes the virus messages before MailMan gets
> a chance to distribute them.

I can recommend AMaViS-new - http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/
It also integrates with SpamAssassin (I believe MailScanner does this as
well).

HTH

[Not signed because MM-Users is now rejecting my PGP/MIME signed mail.]

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From jamie at silverdream.org  Mon Mar 29 21:33:17 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:33:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: tried everything in faqs, manual, - all
	looks good, but email still not sending
In-Reply-To: <014f01c415b8$90726b80$0affff0a@computer>
References: <014f01c415b8$90726b80$0affff0a@computer>
Message-ID: <1080588797.1117.270.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 19:06, Craig Elkins wrote:
> Mar 29 17:19:54 2004 (383) <mailman.0.1080580792.12225.ptlaboard at philatlamail.org> smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.349 seconds
> 
> what else is there?  this has worked before then one day just stopped.  any help much much appreciated!!

Take a look at your Postfix logs to see if Postfix is accepting the
messages, and what it's doing with them...

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From jamie at silverdream.org  Mon Mar 29 21:51:41 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:51:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Utilizing SpamAssassin w/ MailMan (repost)
In-Reply-To: <c49okd$g4n$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <c49okd$g4n$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1080589901.1117.289.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>

Hey Chris,

On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 19:07, Chris Barnes wrote:
> This is a repost, but judging by the lack of responses, I think it might
> be good to ask again.  Is there a way to utilize SpamAssassin running on
> the same box as Mailman?
> 
> By that, I mean SA is already running, so all email coming in will be
> scored by SA for its 'spamminess'.
> 
> Is there a way to get MM to place those messages with a Spam=Yes score
> on hold until the list owner can review the message on an otherwise
> unmoderated list?  I want this for ALL lists (a global setting).

There was discussion of a plugin which integrated Mailman and SA at
http://zgp.org/linux-elitists/20020327065816.GE1639 at perkypants.org.html
but that was for Mailman 2.0 - I don't know whether such a plugin still
exits.

IMO content filtering should be taken care of before it gets to Mailman,
e.g. by MailScanner, or AMaViS - they integrate SA and virus scanning. 

Personally I block, forward, and auto-learn spam above 10 or so points,
which takes the load of Mailma, but you may not be comfortable doing
this. 

If you want Mailman to filter for SA's headers you can use the
header_filter_rules option under Privacy Options to filter for that
particular header.

You can defer, hold, reject, discard, or accept based on this regexp.
Something like this *MAY* work, although my understanding of regular
expressions is full of holes at best:

/^X-Spam-Status: Yes*/

As I said - I don't know if that'll work, so someone who is more
familiar with regexp's will hopefully put me right if need be. Also, I
use AMaViS, so your headers may differ - as usual, YMMV.

You could do it the other way round, and only accept messages with
X-Spam-Status: No, or you could put messages SA thinks are spammy on
hold and check them over yourself.

HTH

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From texascritter at ditb.net  Mon Mar 29 21:53:49 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:53:49 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filter by domain - FAQ 3.33
References: <200403291748.i2THmS7U005300@linuxmail.elmbrook.org>
Message-ID: <022e01c415c7$8e83e420$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

On Monday, March 29, 2004 11:48 AM, Lee Thao wrote:

> 3.33. How do I accept all addresses from a particular domain?
> If I want postings from all non-members at a particular domain to be
> accepted, how do I go about doing that without adding them each
> individually?

It's in the instructions in the list admin interface.  Go to the Privacy
Options > Sender Filters.  For "List of non-member addresses whose postings
should be automatically accepted." it says:

Add member addresses one per line; start the line with a ^ character to
designate a regular expression match.

So for all addresses at a particular domain, this should work:

^.example.com

hth,
texas critter

--
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/





From texascritter at ditb.net  Mon Mar 29 21:58:22 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:58:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests and mailman
References: <A2DF56E8BC9B964884DD1A7C9C812C0F01301585@mailsvr.intrasoft.lu>
Message-ID: <025a01c415c8$3106fac0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

On Monday, March 29, 2004 3:00 AM, CARTER Anthony wrote:

> The Digest Header and Footer are fine. The Today's topics just have
> the subject in a text document. My first question is why it is
> called "Untitled Attachment" in EML and when you click on it it
> opens to another message with another message per subject?

That sounds like you've selected Mime digests, either as the list default
or for your own personal options.

To check the list setting, go to Digest Options and look at:

When receiving digests, which format is default?  Plain  MIME

Plain is plain text, each message one after the other in a single email.
Mime includes each message as an attachment so you can read and/or save
each message individually, rather than an entire digest.

hth,
texas critter

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From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Mon Mar 29 22:03:38 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:03:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Utilizing SpamAssassin w/ MailMan (repost)
References: <c49okd$g4n$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<1080589901.1117.289.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq>
Message-ID: <c49vep$3ee$1@sea.gmane.org>

Thanks.  That helps.

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From jwblist at olympus.net  Mon Mar 29 22:34:30 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:34:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no quotas for mailman, but Disc quota exceeded
In-Reply-To: <1080575462.8099.82.camel@diem>
Message-ID: <BC8DC856.E954%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 3/29/2004 7:51, "Tom Lieuallen" <toml at engr.orst.edu> wrote:

> Last week, I moved our mailman install to a different partition where we
> have more space and so I could export it via nfs.
> 
> It is in /a1/mailman on the mail server.  I nfs exported it so
> that we could run the cgi's and access the archives from our
> web server.
> 
> The new partition has quotas, but no users affiliated with mailman that
> I'm aware of have quotas (root, mailman, web, etc).
> 
> Ever since this change, I have been receiving error messages from
> mailman mentioning being over quota.  I su'ed to mailman and created a
> 2GB file, so whatever problem is just not apparent from the OS.  Inodes
> are not a problem.

Is the new partition using reiserfs by any chance?  I don't know whether
Mailman works around the quirk that some versions of Reiser report 0 inodes
available if asked how many are, rather than -1 (the -1 being essentially
"that question doesn't make sense").

I would think that Mailman does work around that by now, though.  No hits in
a quick search of the Mailman FAQ for the file system.

  --John



From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Mar 29 22:38:28 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:38:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filter by domain - FAQ 3.33
In-Reply-To: <022e01c415c7$8e83e420$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: <200403291748.i2THmS7U005300@linuxmail.elmbrook.org>
	<022e01c415c7$8e83e420$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <08FEDB7C-81C1-11D8-B568-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>


On 29 Mar 2004, at 20:53, texas critter wrote:

> On Monday, March 29, 2004 11:48 AM, Lee Thao wrote:
>
>> 3.33. How do I accept all addresses from a particular domain?
>> If I want postings from all non-members at a particular domain to be
>> accepted, how do I go about doing that without adding them each
>> individually?
>
> It's in the instructions in the list admin interface.  Go to the 
> Privacy
> Options > Sender Filters.  For "List of non-member addresses whose 
> postings
> should be automatically accepted." it says:
>
> Add member addresses one per line; start the line with a ^ character to
> designate a regular expression match.
>
> So for all addresses at a particular domain, this should work:
>
> ^.example.com

you probably want the regex pattern to be:

^[^@]+ at example\.com$

>
> hth,
> texas critter
>
> --
> EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/




From craig.elkins at verizon.net  Tue Mar 30 00:57:25 2004
From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:57:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] running qrunner by hand
Message-ID: <00ad01c415e1$33fa8ee0$0affff0a@computer>

hi,

i'm trying to run qrunner by hand - this is the error produced:

myserver.com% virtual ~/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/home/myserver/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 76, in ?
    from Mailman import mm_cfg
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 41, in ?
    from Defaults import *
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py", line 45
    .
    ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

any ideas???


From mailman-users at xonx.de  Tue Mar 30 01:00:06 2004
From: mailman-users at xonx.de (Steffen Mueller)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:00:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment problem
In-Reply-To: <20040329214328.47580.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040329214328.47580.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4068AA76.6070803@xonx.de>

On 03/29/04 23:43 Iris Chan wrote:

> Thanks for your advice, I have always had the content filtering set to "No" and still experiencing the same problem - no attachment of any format can go through. Any advice?
>  

Can you give us an example of how mails look like 1) when received from 
the list and 2) when received directly? But please don't attach/forward 
mails to the list. Put them on a website and send us a link.

Did you question your hosting company yet?

-- 
cheers,
Steffen



From toml at engr.orst.edu  Tue Mar 30 01:05:54 2004
From: toml at engr.orst.edu (Tom Lieuallen)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:05:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no quotas for mailman, but Disc quota exceeded
Message-ID: <200403292305.i2TN5saL009954@nsr1.ENGR.ORST.EDU>


No, both are Solaris UFS file systems.

Thanks

Tom Lieuallen

> Is the new partition using reiserfs by any chance?  I don't know whether
> Mailman works around the quirk that some versions of Reiser report 0 inodes
> available if asked how many are, rather than -1 (the -1 being essentially
> "that question doesn't make sense").
> 
> I would think that Mailman does work around that by now, though.  No hits in
> a quick search of the Mailman FAQ for the file system.
> 
> --John



From webolutionary at webolutionary.com  Tue Mar 30 01:12:29 2004
From: webolutionary at webolutionary.com (Sean Robertson)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:12:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need to send HTML email
Message-ID: <036501c415e3$50d19b10$4001010a@cnfei.com>

I require the ability to send HTML email messages to an announce-only
mailing list, but for some reason when I try, the messages never show up
on the list.  I can send it to myself, and it works just find, but when
I send it to the list, it disappears.  They're in the archive, but it
just says "An HTML attachment was scrubbed."  This is frustrating the
hell out of me, needless to say, and I have to get this working ASAP, as
it was technically supposed to have been done yesterday afternoon
(ARGH!!!!).  I am using a PHP script to create the message.

I do have "text/html" listed in the Pass Mime Types field on the Content
Filtering page, and I have the Filter Content and Convert HTML to Plain
Text options both turned off.




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From mailman-users at xonx.de  Tue Mar 30 01:21:33 2004
From: mailman-users at xonx.de (Steffen Mueller)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:21:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filter by domain - FAQ 3.33
In-Reply-To: <08FEDB7C-81C1-11D8-B568-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
References: <200403291748.i2THmS7U005300@linuxmail.elmbrook.org>	<022e01c415c7$8e83e420$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<08FEDB7C-81C1-11D8-B568-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4068AF7D.3030606@xonx.de>

On 03/29/04 22:38 Richard Barrett wrote:
> 
> On 29 Mar 2004, at 20:53, texas critter wrote:
>>
>> It's in the instructions in the list admin interface.  Go to the Privacy
>> Options > Sender Filters.  For "List of non-member addresses whose 
>> postings
>> should be automatically accepted." it says:
>>
> 
> 
> you probably want the regex pattern to be:
> 
> ^[^@]+ at example\.com$
> 

This one works for me, too.

I've completed the FAQ with your answers.

-- 
cheers,
Steffen Mueller




From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Mar 30 02:18:02 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:18:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Give moderators access to member db?
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040329181435.01b61ec0@127.0.0.1>

      I have a group that want moderators to be able to manage the member 
section of the admin interface.  I am guessing that the issue is modifying 
which passwords are accepted for membership tasks.  Has anyone hacked this, 
or does anyone have any hints, suggestions or warnings before I dig into 
the code?

<>< Paul



From srb at umich.edu  Tue Mar 30 03:09:13 2004
From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:09:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] running qrunner by hand
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c415e1$33fa8ee0$0affff0a@computer>
References: <00ad01c415e1$33fa8ee0$0affff0a@computer>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1080590953@[192.168.1.100]>

--On Monday, March 29, 2004 5:57 PM -0500 Craig Elkins 
<craig.elkins at verizon.net> wrote:

> i'm trying to run qrunner by hand - this is the error produced:
>
> myserver.com% virtual ~/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/home/myserver/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 76, in ?
>     from Mailman import mm_cfg
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 41, in ?
>     from Defaults import *
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py", line 45
>     .
>     ^
> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>
> any ideas???

To which I reply:

What does line 45 of your Defaults.py look like?

Seems like the error message is giving you a clue...

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From toml at engr.orst.edu  Tue Mar 30 04:35:45 2004
From: toml at engr.orst.edu (Tom Lieuallen)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:35:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no quotas for mailman, but Disc quota exceeded
Message-ID: <1080614145.32627.48.camel@diem>


Well, mailman is exonerated. :-)

I am still 150% baffled, but the problem is not with mailman.
Even with no quota or an exorbitantly large quota -- the problem
persisted.  At times, it was reproducible in a shell.  Not mailman's
problem.  I suspect some bum solaris patches. :-(

I finally shut everything down and moved it off the quota'ed 
file system.  That ought to solve everything except my curiosity.

Thanks for the suggestions...

Tom Lieuallen
College of Engineering




From warlord at MIT.EDU  Tue Mar 30 07:02:48 2004
From: warlord at MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:02:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rebuilding the mbox archives from pipermail *.txt
 files (with attachments)
Message-ID: <sjmbrmf9bbb.fsf@dogbert.ihtfp.org>

I just gained ownership of a bunch of mailman lists but the previous
owner destroyed the .mbox archives.  He left the .txt files intact, so
I have most of the actual archives online, but I'd really like to
recreate the mbox files for my lists.

I found a script that claims to rebuild an mbox from a pipermail .txt at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2001/debian-isp-200111/msg00104.html
but it fails to reintegrate any attachments in the email.

Is there some better way to rebuild the mbox files from the .txt
files, or some trick to include the attachments?  Perhaps an "inverse
archive" process that goes backwards?  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

-derek
-- 
       Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory
       Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board  (SIPB)
       URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/    PP-ASEL-IA     N1NWH
       warlord at MIT.EDU                        PGP key available



From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Tue Mar 30 10:09:43 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:09:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up mailman on lunarpages.com
References: <20040328170546.89268.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alm.20040330100951.18133@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

Wendy Johnson schrieb:

> I want to configure mailman so I can use it to send
> email to those who subscribe. I do not want
> subscribers to post to this list.

Then make the list or all users except yourself "moderated".

> I also do not need users to set up a password. 

But it does not hurt if they do, hm? :)

> How do I remove these options? 

You cannot remove the "option" to write mail to a mailing-list, but
you can set your list / your users to moderated so that only your mail
is delivered.

You cannot remove the option to set a password either; but where is
the problem with *that*?

-thh




From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Tue Mar 30 10:24:33 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:24:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How Can A User Be "Hidden" from a List Adminstrator
Message-ID: <4068BE41.28894.2943B35@localhost>

Since the only way to get a copy of a Mailman list is to use the view 
subscribers (unless you have root access) I usually view and cut 
and paste.  Now I have a comment that one is "hidden".  Seems like 
nothing should be hidden from the list administrator.  Is there an 
easy way to change - or do I have to scan the list and change 
manually?


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.




From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Tue Mar 30 11:16:42 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:16:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking messages with the same message-id.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403260642150.5873@chi.spunge.org>
Message-ID: <4068CA7A.6541.2C3F9E6@localhost>

Did not see this answered yet, so:  Yes.  General Options, Default 
options for new members joining this list


Filter out duplicate messages to list members (if possible)

Check that.  You may have to remove all and add all back in, 
however, after checking that.  Do not think there is a way to change 
after the fact.



Date sent:      	Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:42:32 -0600 (EST)
From:           	Andrzej Kasperowicz <andyk at spunge.org>
To:             	mailman-developers at python.org, mailman-users at python.org
Copies to:      	Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] Blocking messages with the same message-id.

> Is there any setting in Mailman to block sending of a post with the same
> message-ID for the second time?
> 
> ak
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.



From craig.elkins at verizon.net  Tue Mar 30 13:55:50 2004
From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 06:55:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: problem solved: "email messages not going out"
Message-ID: <001001c4164d$f2664ce0$0affff0a@computer>

geezooks!  finally stumbled upon the reason list member email wasn't being sent to the list.  

"When I review the usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman file it looks like it is blank - this will cause a problem since mailman needs this to load the user/list correctly.  I have restored this file for you and mail seems to be working now "

from my server tech support.  i didn't see this anywhere in the documentation.  unless, and this is entirely possible, something else was supposed to fix this problem and i just didn't get it.  i wonder why my usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman file would malfunction like that?

anyway thanks to all who took a stab at my problem.

:-)
craig


From jsingh at fdu.edu  Tue Mar 30 16:40:17 2004
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:40:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password posting
Message-ID: <000601c41664$ee84ae70$570bee84@FDUJACK>

Hi everyone, 
 I had this question earlier but no answered me if it were possible that ,
messages could be posted to this list only if the user was subscribed to the
list and had a password.
thanks

Jaskaran Singh
University Systems & Security
Fairleigh Dickinson University
1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01
Teaneck, NJ 07666


From gevaerd at ufo.com.br  Tue Mar 30 19:58:58 2004
From: gevaerd at ufo.com.br (A. J. Gevaerd (Revista UFO))
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:58:58 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <50cd01c41680$adc413f0$0b0000a8@Gevaerd>

I need help.

I have 6 lists stored at MailMan version 2.1.3. and I need to retrieve the associates? names in a list. How do I proceed ???

Thanks for any help.

A. J. Gevaerd
Brazil

From cae at bklyn.org  Tue Mar 30 21:14:20 2004
From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:14:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <50cd01c41680$adc413f0$0b0000a8@Gevaerd>
References: <50cd01c41680$adc413f0$0b0000a8@Gevaerd>
Message-ID: <20040330191420.GB25605@bklyn.org>

On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 02:58:58PM -0300, A. J. Gevaerd (Revista UFO) wrote:

> I need help.  I have 6 lists stored at MailMan version 2.1.3. and I
> need to retrieve the associates? names in a list. How do I proceed
> ???

	Not sure what you mean by "associates", but you can list all
	of the members of each list with the "list_members" tool:

	list_members listname

	You could do all six like this:

	for list in one two three four five six; do list_members $list; done

	I'm assuming shell access here.

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From jsingh at fdu.edu  Tue Mar 30 21:21:45 2004
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:21:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max_message_size
Message-ID: <00b601c4168c$40f27300$570bee84@FDUJACK>

Hi guys 
 How do you change the option for max_message_size from shell, I would like
to change the maximum body size to 0 in mm_cfg.py , I don't want to do
change that max size from url for all the 2000 lists I have. 

Jaskaran Singh
University Systems & Security
Fairleigh Dickinson University
1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01
Teaneck, NJ 07666


From jsingh at fdu.edu  Tue Mar 30 21:32:15 2004
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:32:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max_message_size
In-Reply-To: <00b601c4168c$40f27300$570bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <00c301c4168d$b7e933d0$570bee84@FDUJACK>

I got it MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE; I had set it at 1MB I wanted it 10MB, forgot to
add the last 0 at the end

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of jsingh
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:22 PM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max_message_size

Hi guys 
 How do you change the option for max_message_size from shell, I would like
to change the maximum body size to 0 in mm_cfg.py , I don't want to do
change that max size from url for all the 2000 lists I have. 

Jaskaran Singh
University Systems & Security
Fairleigh Dickinson University
1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01
Teaneck, NJ 07666





From cmoon at oitgroup.com  Tue Mar 30 21:15:06 2004
From: cmoon at oitgroup.com (Oklahoma Information Technologies Group)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:15:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] preparing to setup Mailman for the first time...
	questions about Mailman's functionality
Message-ID: <2F266B61FB25D5118CAA00902794933603216A@server.gigeek.com>

1.  Does Mailman have it's own SMTP server or does it rely on a
separate/independent SMTP server?
2.  If Mailman relies on an SMTP server package independent of Mailman, is
that SMTP server required to reside on the same machine?

BTW, I am seeking additional knowledge on how to setup Mailman and it's
prerequisites.  



charlesMOON
Oklahoma IT Group
Edmond, OK
Tel: 405.340.5847
http://www.oitgroup.com

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From dwight at significant.com  Tue Mar 30 22:25:35 2004
From: dwight at significant.com (Dwight A. Ernest)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:25:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] preparing to setup Mailman for the first time...
	questions about Mailman's functionality
In-Reply-To: <2F266B61FB25D5118CAA00902794933603216A@server.gigeek.com>
References: <2F266B61FB25D5118CAA00902794933603216A@server.gigeek.com>
Message-ID: <4069D7BF.3060208@significant.com>

Oklahoma Information Technologies Group wrote:

> 1.  Does Mailman have it's own SMTP server or does it rely on a
> separate/independent SMTP server?

Mailman doesn't have its own SMTP. It is independent of the MTA (mail 
transfer agent) on the machine, and requires that there be one.

> 2.  If Mailman relies on an SMTP server package independent of Mailman, is
> that SMTP server required to reside on the same machine?

It can be configured to use an MTA that is not on the same host as Mailman.

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From Admin at AnoeticConcepts.com  Wed Mar 31 05:21:02 2004
From: Admin at AnoeticConcepts.com (Anoetic Concepts)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:21:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting delivery option does not work
Message-ID: <031a01c416cf$339c0200$6601a8c0@System2G>

I'm using the Mailman version included in CPanel -- I think it's
version 2.1.3.  I sent the following 5 commands in an email to
the -request address of a list:

set authenticate password
set show
set delivery off
set show
end

Of course, I replaced "password" with my actual password.  The
response follows:

- Results:
    Your current option settings:
        ack on
        digest off
        delivery on
        myposts on
        hide off
        duplicates on
        reminders on
    delivery option set
    Your current option settings:
        ack on
        digest off
        delivery on
        myposts on
        hide off
        duplicates on
        reminders on

- Done.

The line:
    delivery option set
indicates that the set delivery command was processed, but as you can
see, the option was never turned off.  How do I get this bug fixed?
Do I need to report it to CPanel to get them to fix it and/or upgrade
the version of Mailman?

Jeff
Anoetic Concepts





From ste at smxy.org  Wed Mar 31 06:03:44 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:03:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My web interface has stopped working.
Message-ID: <406A4320.2060505@smxy.org>

It was working a couple of weeks ago, now when I try to access anything, 
I get Premature end of script headers. Yes, I read the FAQ. It was 
compiled from the latest FreeBSD port, with username and groupname and 
mail_gid set to mailman and cgi_gid to www. That worked before, but has 
stopped, for some reason. check_perms reports no problems. The lists 
work, just not the web interface.

How do I debug this?

	-ste



From ste at smxy.org  Wed Mar 31 06:44:12 2004
From: ste at smxy.org (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:44:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My web interface has stopped working.
In-Reply-To: <406A4320.2060505@smxy.org>
References: <406A4320.2060505@smxy.org>
Message-ID: <406A4C9C.7090908@smxy.org>

Shaun T. Erickson wrote:

> It was working a couple of weeks ago, now when I try to access anything, 
> I get Premature end of script headers. Yes, I read the FAQ. It was 
> compiled from the latest FreeBSD port, with username and groupname and 
> mail_gid set to mailman and cgi_gid to www. That worked before, but has 
> stopped, for some reason. check_perms reports no problems. The lists 
> work, just not the web interface.
> 
> How do I debug this?

On a hunch, I checked something. My webserver runs as www:www. I also us 
SuExec. All my virtual hosts, except for the Mailman list sites, had 
SuExec lines appropriate for the user and group they whould run as. 
Somewhere along the line, I added an SuExec line to the Mailman sites, 
saying to run as www:www, so that it would be explicitly stated. That 
was fine, except that the server could no longer access the mailman 
software, located outside the trused SuExec path. I took out the lines, 
restarted the server, and all is well. :)

	-ste



From a.carter at intrasoft.lu  Wed Mar 31 08:49:56 2004
From: a.carter at intrasoft.lu (CARTER Anthony)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:49:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: tried everything in faqs, manual, - all l
	ooks good, but email still not sending
Message-ID: <A2DF56E8BC9B964884DD1A7C9C812C0F01301597@mailsvr.intrasoft.lu>

What is the contents of your crontab for the mailman user?
Also, the content of the aliases file (or equivalent with your mail server)?

Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Elkins [mailto:craig.elkins at verizon.net]
Sent: 29 March 2004 20:07
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: tried everything in faqs, manual, - all
looks good, but email still not sending


HI,

I'm running Version 2.1.4 on a solaris server.  My MTA is postfix.  

I've tried all solutions in faqs, archives, etc. - nothing seems to work.
basically my email won't go out.  the last bit of success i had with it was
when i stopped and started:

/usr/local/bin/virtual ~/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop
/usr/local/bin/virtual ~/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start

and i was told it removed a stale pid.  after that, i got all of the email
that was stored in qfiles/in but nothing else seems to make it through.
qrunner appears to be running fine. i deleted lock files and qrunner created
2 new ones when i sent a new email. smtp for last email sent:

Mar 29 17:19:54 2004 (383)
<mailman.0.1080580792.12225.ptlaboard at philatlamail.org> smtp for 1 recips,
completed in 1.349 seconds

what else is there?  this has worked before then one day just stopped.  any
help much much appreciated!!

thanks,
craig
  

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From a.carter at intrasoft.lu  Wed Mar 31 08:51:39 2004
From: a.carter at intrasoft.lu (CARTER Anthony)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:51:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests and mailman
Message-ID: <A2DF56E8BC9B964884DD1A7C9C812C0F01301598@mailsvr.intrasoft.lu>

Is there any way to prevent users from having the option to choose MIME
messages? I see the default, but wish to remove the option for MIME
digests...

Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: texas critter [mailto:texascritter at ditb.net]
Sent: 29 March 2004 21:58
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Digests and mailman


On Monday, March 29, 2004 3:00 AM, CARTER Anthony wrote:

> The Digest Header and Footer are fine. The Today's topics just have
> the subject in a text document. My first question is why it is
> called "Untitled Attachment" in EML and when you click on it it
> opens to another message with another message per subject?

That sounds like you've selected Mime digests, either as the list default
or for your own personal options.

To check the list setting, go to Digest Options and look at:

When receiving digests, which format is default?  Plain  MIME

Plain is plain text, each message one after the other in a single email.
Mime includes each message as an attachment so you can read and/or save
each message individually, rather than an entire digest.

hth,
texas critter

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From michael at offroadgeek.com  Wed Mar 31 09:17:06 2004
From: michael at offroadgeek.com (Michael Hubbard)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:17:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives not automatically updating
Message-ID: <6ADDC82E-82E3-11D8-B94E-000A95D0D762@offroadgeek.com>

Hello -

I'm relatively new to mailman, and I've searched everything I can find 
but haven't found an answer yet...   hopefully someone here can point 
me in the right direction.

I've recently taken ownership of an existing mailman list, but the 
transition wasn't all that great.  I was given temporary, limited 
access to the previous server to pull what I could... but no access to 
the old mailman account/server.  I tarred up the old archives and moved 
them to the new server, and simply untarred them into:

/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/[list-name]

and now that there has been about a month of activity, the archives 
list doesn't show anything past February (when I performed the 
transplant).  When I log onto the server, I can see the messages in 
.txt files for March, but when I vi the index.html it looks the same as 
the site... no March.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

Michael
http://www.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk/




From p.cocco at tin.it  Wed Mar 31 09:53:56 2004
From: p.cocco at tin.it (PiCo)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:53:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman setup with postfix
In-Reply-To: <4069D7BF.3060208@significant.com>
References: <2F266B61FB25D5118CAA00902794933603216A@server.gigeek.com>
	<4069D7BF.3060208@significant.com>
Message-ID: <opr5puv6r36v1yae@localhost>

I have set up mailman properly.
It start and I can manage list and user...but..
I have some dubt regarding the MTA setup.
In fact I cannot send/receive email if I write to a mailing list.

Can somebody tell me the correct parameter to use in the configuration of 
mailman and postfix.

I'm using mailman on a PC with a public IP, but i do not have a URL for 
mailman site. I don't know if this is can be a problem....
ciaoo

PiCo

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From mailman-users at think.co.za  Wed Mar 31 10:24:33 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (mailman-users at think.co.za)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:24:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with mass removal or bulk unsubscribe
Message-ID: <006f01c416f9$98973290$0500a8c0@hjr>

Hi guys

I need to unsubscribe everyone on one of my lists and then
subscribe in mass again. I have the list for the new
subscriptions, but I don't see where I perform the mass
removal.

Mailman just asks for a file, which I don't have.

Anyone with some bright ideas?

Thanks

Cheers
Hilton




From johng at tagish.com  Wed Mar 31 14:25:34 2004
From: johng at tagish.com (John Gardner)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:25:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Interface
Message-ID: <406AB8BE.2050308@tagish.com>

Hi everyone

Can anyone tell me if it's possible to change colours/design of the 
standard Mailman interface?

Regards

John



From wheakory at isu.edu  Wed Mar 31 17:13:56 2004
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:13:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman message size
Message-ID: <406AE034.7080508@isu.edu>

In Mailman, is there a way to discard a message automatically when its 
over a certain size?  I know you can raise or lower the
*"max_message_size"  *value, but when a message is over the size limit  
it's held for approval.  This is what I don't want, I would  like the 
message automatically discard.  I would like this for all our Mailman 
mailing lists,  I would like this size limit controlled by our Mailman 
Admin,
rather than Administrators for each list.  Any Suggestions?

-- 
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Phone 282-3874
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From webmaster at richmondhockey.com  Tue Mar 30 04:51:16 2004
From: webmaster at richmondhockey.com (Webmaster)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:51:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of subscribers
Message-ID: <6.1.0.3.2.20040329215033.01dd2100@mail.pczero.net>

How do I get my mailman to send me a list of subscribers to my mailing list?  





From andyk at spunge.org  Tue Mar 30 13:56:58 2004
From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:56:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking messages with the same message-id.
In-Reply-To: <4068CA7A.6541.2C3F9E6@localhost>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403260642150.5873@chi.spunge.org>
Message-ID: <40697CAA.31330.24CB7B@localhost>

> Did not see this answered yet, so:  Yes.  General Options, Default 
> options for new members joining this list
> 
> 
> Filter out duplicate messages to list members (if possible)
> 
> Check that.  You may have to remove all and add all back in, 
> however, after checking that.  Do not think there is a way to change 
> after the fact.

It is checked, and I see duplicates on my lists, hence my question... It 
doesn't seem to work...

ak



From zulumind at bellsouth.net  Tue Mar 30 18:53:10 2004
From: zulumind at bellsouth.net (Andy yonce)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:53:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listserv as distribution mechanism for viruses
Message-ID: <000e01c41677$7c772980$46262343@nt1>

Is there a way to prevent replies to a message from being broadcast to the members of a list. One of the members of a list computer was infected with the netsky.b virus. The list name was in the user's outlook address box. When the computer was infected with the virus, email got sent to everyone in the address list, including the list server. So now everyone in the list has the potential to be victimized. Usual solution, from the list member's point of view,  is to asked to be asked to be removed from the list.

This flaw has the potential to spread viruses at an exponential rate. And with bagle out there, the potential for extremely serious attacks exist. Are there any solutions to this problem from a mailman administrator perspective?

Thanks
Andy Yonce

From jfriedman at shortpath.com  Tue Mar 30 21:15:32 2004
From: jfriedman at shortpath.com (Jeffrey C. Friedman)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:15:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where is the mailing list stored?
Message-ID: <E1B8OfK-0002LB-Di@mail.python.org>

I want to be able to download it.back it up etc..  Where is the list
maintained?  I already have lost one list and can't seem to get it back.  

 

Jeffrey C. Friedman

CIO/ Executive Vice President

Shortpath Inc.

1466 Broadway Suite 900

New York NY 10036

Tel: 1-877-353-3377

Fax: 1-877-855-0758

Email: jfriedman at shortpath.com

www.shortpath.com <http://www.shortpath.com/> 

 

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From rwr at rx2000.org  Tue Mar 30 21:49:00 2004
From: rwr at rx2000.org (Rena Wiltfang-Roepke)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:49:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please help - I need to add a new list
Message-ID: <03e701c41690$0f7f01e0$b301a8c0@VALUEDD3F7D0D1>

Good afternoon!

I am in a huge bind. I am a low-level administrator of the mail.rx2000.org lists and the man
that set all of it up in the beginning is nowhere to be found. I know how to administer the
lists, but beyond that, I'm at a loss. I've tried searching the FAQs on the Mailman, GNU and
Python sites, and have found nothing to help me. My organization needs me to add another
list and I'm totally stuck, up a creek, without a paddle, and very far from shore. If you could
please help me in any way I would be so grateful.

Sincerely,

Rena Wiltfang-Roepke

Rx2000 Institute
11824 Wayzata Blvd
Minnetonka MN 55305
952.595.9551
888.835.4478
www.rx2000.org


From sam at pmpmail.com  Mon Mar 29 22:40:27 2004
From: sam at pmpmail.com (Sam Howard)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:40:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] questions
Message-ID: <20040329144028.b41128af7f3511d8b7310002a5533e26.in@pmpmail.com>

i would like to ask you a couple of questions. for example,
blind-democracy at octothorp.org. march is vol. 5 and each digest is an issue.
i know how to go on line and read each message. is there a way to go on
line and read the messages by digest, volume and issue, or ar those digests
only composed and sent to my inbox? also, can i send a request to the list
address and get messages or digests resent to my inbox via email, or do i
have to actually have to go to the archives to reread them? so you see, i
actually have 2 different questions. the version for the list is 2.1.4.
thank you. Sam Howard.
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From gevaerd at ufo.com.br  Tue Mar 30 19:42:53 2004
From: gevaerd at ufo.com.br (A. J. Gevaerd (Revista UFO))
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:42:53 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <503401c4167e$7977ef10$0b0000a8@Gevaerd>

Does anyone can help me to retrieve the list of associates of my 6 Mailman lists?

Thanks.

A. J. Gevaerd
Brazil

From mylists at oneparkplace.com  Wed Mar 31 17:26:30 2004
From: mylists at oneparkplace.com (Brian Haines)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:26:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From header includes <list>-bounces@domain.com
Message-ID: <026101c41734$8e16be90$0a01a8c0@brian2600>

My Mailman messages are always sent by <list>-bounces at domain.com on
behalf of <from address>. 

Can I remove the <list>-bounces at domain.com somehow?

Thanks!

Brian





From jsingh at fdu.edu  Wed Mar 31 18:45:38 2004
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:45:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of subscribers
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.3.2.20040329215033.01dd2100@mail.pczero.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c4173f$9c576c10$570bee84@FDUJACK>

Do you have access to shell ? if you do then use list_members command in 
mailman/bin folder, otherwise you can always check it from the web
interface.

-----Original Message-----
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Webmaster
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:51 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of subscribers

How do I get my mailman to send me a list of subscribers to my mailing list?




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From alfchr at disnorge.no  Wed Mar 31 19:02:40 2004
From: alfchr at disnorge.no (alfchr)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:02:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enabling mail list admins to add users of a closed
 list using email
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040331185229.015abea8@imap.uio.no>

I run several closed mail lists at Rootsweb.org using smartlist.

Now I need to move these lists to a domain using MailMan v. 2.0.13 and we 
only allow users that is a member of our organization to add.

We have also a php page that unsub old mail addresses and add new mail 
addresses through a mail command.

If ind that MailMan today support some few Majordomo email commands like 
subscribe, but that command do not work on a closed list where all users 
need an approval to  enter.

Has last Mailman version added the Majordomo command like

Approve <password> subscribe |listname| |address|
and the other unsubscribe command

In case not,are there plans to add such commands.

In case, I would like to see a"silent" option which can be used when people 
just change mail address and only send people message when they really 
subscrive first time and finally unsubscribe.

The organisation has 7500 members, many of them change mailaddress quite 
often because to prevent spam and of other reasons, and it would be a pain 
in the ass to manually use the web interface to daily approve additions etc.

I want to automate all subscription as far as possible.

Hope it is possible.
Alf Christophersen
Forening: DIS-Norge, Postboks 6601 St. Olavs plass, NO-0129 Oslo
Bes?ksadresse: Ullev?lsveien 1 (2. etg.), NO-0165 Oslo
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From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Mar 31 19:51:45 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:51:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman Interface
In-Reply-To: <E1B8j6Q-0005JF-Dc@mail.python.org>
References: <E1B8j6Q-0005JF-Dc@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040331113547.01db7280@127.0.0.1>

On 11:02 AM 3/31/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>Can anyone tell me if it's possible to change colours/design of the
>standard Mailman interface?

      Absolutely - although it's a bit of work if you want to do it across 
the board.  The "Edit the public HTML pages " link on the administrator 
page will take you to a page that will allow you to alter the General list 
information page, Subscribe results page and User specific options 
page.  This is most of what is seen by those who do not read the 
archives.  To alter the archive pages you will have to create a large 
directory for the list (<prefix>/mailman/lists/<listname>/en for English) 
and copy the language specific templates (found in 
<prefix>/mailman/templates/en for English) into it.  Then modify the 
templets as needed.  The files you will probably want to alter are:

archidxhead.html
archtoc.html
archtocnombox.html
article.html
private.html

<>< Paul





From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Mar 31 20:05:36 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:05:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Please help - I need to add a new list
In-Reply-To: <E1B8j6Q-0005JF-Dc@mail.python.org>
References: <E1B8j6Q-0005JF-Dc@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040331115653.01e4fcf8@127.0.0.1>

On 11:02 AM 3/31/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>I am in a huge bind. I am a low-level administrator of the mail.rx2000.org 
>lists and the man
>that set all of it up in the beginning is nowhere to be found. I know how 
>to administer the
>lists, but beyond that, I'm at a loss. .... My organization needs me to 
>add another
>list and I'm totally stuck...

      The web interface for adding a list is at 
http://domain.tld/mailman/create .  As you would need (to reset?) the main 
mailman password, and would need to change the administrator address, using 
the command line is going to be necessary - so I'd just create from the 
list command line.  Use:

# <prefix>/mailman/bin/newlist listname

      Where <prefix> is the path to the mailman install, and listname is 
the name of the desired list.  Copy the aliases entries to the appropriate 
location on your server.

<>< Paul



From dmassey at korrnet.org  Wed Mar 31 20:11:43 2004
From: dmassey at korrnet.org (David D. Massey)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:11:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public List Problem
Message-ID: <FCEIJEGNNMMDOHFIGEMJCENEEGAA.dmassey@korrnet.org>

Hello.
We have Mailman 2.0.8 intalled on a Unix box... and have
just installed M/M 2.1 on a Linux box. We have transferred
the files to the Linux box, and everything works fine...
with one exception.

Lists meant to be "publicly advertised" were on the public
list of Version 2.0.8 on the Unix box but are not showing 
up on the public list of Version 2.1 on the Linux box. Lists 
created under the new version DO show up on the public list.

Any ideas on how to get the pre-M/M-2.1 lists to show up
on the public file under 2.1?

David Massey
KORRnet
www.korrnet.org









From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Wed Mar 31 20:13:51 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:13:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: listserv as distribution mechanism for viruses
References: <000e01c41677$7c772980$46262343@nt1>
Message-ID: <c4f1p0$fkp$1@sea.gmane.org>

Andy yonce <zulumind at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Is there a way to prevent replies to a message from being broadcast
> to the members of a list. One of the members of a list computer was
> infected with the netsky.b virus. The list name was in the user's
> outlook address box. When the computer was infected with the virus,
> email got sent to everyone in the address list, including the list
> server. So now everyone in the list has the potential to be
> victimized. Usual solution, from the list member's point of view,  is
> to asked to be asked to be removed from the list.


Run a good email AV package on the same server that MailMan uses for its
MTA.  Personally, I like ClamAV...

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Texas A&M University






From aalonso at uncoma.edu.ar  Wed Mar 31 20:15:23 2004
From: aalonso at uncoma.edu.ar (Ana Carolina Alonso de =?iso-8859-1?Q?Armi=F1o?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:15:23 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP! web server + mailman server
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040331150242.00a5eec0@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>

I should configure my web server (called webhost who has nfs mounted the 
mailman page from another server) and my mailman server (called emailhost) 
. How shoul I configure my mm_cfg.py??? I have:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'emailhost.mydomain'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'webhost.mydoain'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'

# DEFAULT_HOST_NAME has been replaced with DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, however some
# sites may have the former in their mm_cfg.py files.  If so, we'll believe
# that, otherwise we'll believe DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.  Same for DEFAULT_URL.
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'emailhost.mydomain'
DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.mydomain/mailman/'

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)


I have do a lot of test, changing this values but it dosen`t work. The 
problem is next:

I see the first page at:
http://www.mydomain.edu.ar/mailman/listinfo/mylist

The link here go the mailman server instead the web server!!:
http://emailhost.mydomain.edu.ar/mailman/listinfo/mylist

What is wrog?? Is posible to do the configuration that I need????
Thanks.

Ana


	





From jsingh at fdu.edu  Wed Mar 31 20:40:45 2004
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:40:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles
Message-ID: <002201c4174f$b0c98ab0$570bee84@FDUJACK>

I have some files in qfiles directory, should I delete them. I looked for
the process id from the last number on the lock file but didn't find any
such process, what should I do.
thanks

Jaskaran Singh
University Systems & Security
Fairleigh Dickinson University
1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01
Teaneck, NJ 07666


From jsingh at fdu.edu  Wed Mar 31 20:43:22 2004
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:43:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles
In-Reply-To: <002201c4174f$b0c98ab0$570bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <002c01c41750$0e6af690$570bee84@FDUJACK>

I meant locks, I am just nervous I guess

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of jsingh
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:41 PM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles
Importance: High

I have some files in qfiles directory, should I delete them. I looked for
the process id from the last number on the lock file but didn't find any
such process, what should I do.
thanks

Jaskaran Singh
University Systems & Security
Fairleigh Dickinson University
1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01
Teaneck, NJ 07666





From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Mar 31 21:02:24 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:02:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML but no images?
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040331130209.01d16a00@127.0.0.1>

      I have asked this twice in the past 9 months of so - never received 
any feed back.  I though it was a bug in the version I was running, but 
version 2-1-4 does the same thing.

      I have several lists that want to allow HTML styling but not allow 
images. I have tried all the content filter combinations I can think of to 
get this to happen, but nothing works.  It seems that the following 
settings for the contentfilter page would work:

Yes
image
multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain
No

      ... however these settings strip html formatting.  The ONLY way I can 
get HTML formatting through to the list is to set the first option to No.
       I realize html formatting is the scourge of the universe, but it 
looks like what my users want should be possible.  Can someone confirm that 
Mailman can't allow html while rejecting images so I can just give up? Thanks

<>< Paul





From valites at geneseo.edu  Wed Mar 31 22:47:40 2004
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:47:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM-2.1.2 shunting of message with unicode error 
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403300955590.13509-100000@mars.geneseo.edu>

Hi all - been a long time since I've been a member of, much less posted to
the list.

Since going to 2.1.2 this past summer, I haven't had a single problem with
it. I'm running it on Solaris 8, with python-2.2. I've also got James
Henstridge's spamassassin patch integrated into the setup.

I'm currently having a problem with one single list out of the 500 I
currently have here at my site. I had this same exact problem a couple
weeks ago with the very same list, but removing all traces of and then
recreating the list seemed to at take care of the problem until this week.
Right now, when one of the list members (who just happens to be my
department head...) posts to the list, her posts get thrown into the shunt
directory.  From the errors, I suspected that there was a problem with
MIME encoding of the message or attachment, but the shunting also occurs
when I sent a message with no attachment in plain ascii text
(charset=US-ASCII).

Attempting to unshunt them results in the following error:


Mar 30 09:58:47 2004 (492) Uncaught runner exception: unicode() argument 2
must be string, not None
Mar 30 09:58:47 2004 (492) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in
_oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in
_onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line
130, in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line
153, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89,
in process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130,
in send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303,
in send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257,
in process
    url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 348,
in save_attachment
    fnext = os.path.splitext(msg.get_filename(''))[1]
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 707, in
get_filename
    return unicode(newvalue[2], newvalue[0])
TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None



Mar 30 09:58:47 2004 (492) SHUNTING:
1080245714.8998311+831a776c645dd047b03c0ff638f6ad34259c3d9a
Mar 30 09:58:55 2004 (492) Uncaught runner exception: unicode() argument 2
must be string, not None
Mar 30 09:58:55 2004 (492) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in
_oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in
_onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line
130, in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line
153, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89,
in process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130,
in send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303,
in send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257,
in process
    url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 348,
in save_attachment
    fnext = os.path.splitext(msg.get_filename(''))[1]
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.2/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 707, in
get_filename
    return unicode(newvalue[2], newvalue[0])
TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None

Mar 30 09:58:55 2004 (492) SHUNTING:
1080611446.4363999+d55aefdcc3b109eb386229538e349f8e747163a0


I've dug through the mailman-users archive and the bug tracker on
sourceforge, but couldn't find anything that looked exactly like what I'm
seeing. The closest I found was:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=871050&group_id=103&atid=100103

And also bug 834486 mentioned in the Changelog for 2.1.3 looked similar
to, but not quite what I'm seeing.

And suggestion are appreciated.
-Mark

-- 
Mark T. Valites
Unix Systems Analyst
CIT - SUNY Geneseo
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From lenny at frodo.aecom.yu.edu  Wed Mar 31 23:00:18 2004
From: lenny at frodo.aecom.yu.edu (Lenny Shovsky)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:00:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation on solaris
Message-ID: <406B3162.8040706@frodo.aecom.yu.edu>

Hi everybody.

I'm trying to install mailman on solaris. It builds fine and
creates subdirectories in /usr/local/mailman/, but stops with permission 
errorswhen trying to copy files to those directories. Which is kind of 
strange, because the directory has group write permissions and the user
'make installing' is in that group.

Also I have a question about the web interface. Is setting ScriptAliases
to cgi-bin in mailman directory enough to get that working or is there a 
step missing from the readmes ?

thank you in advance




From tpf at canes.gsw.edu  Wed Mar 31 23:15:10 2004
From: tpf at canes.gsw.edu (Tim Faircloth)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:15:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman settings
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040331161410.0258fa88@canes.gsw.edu>

Is there a way to export settings for a list so I can use them for other lists?

/tim
-- 
Tim Faircloth, System Administrator
GSW OIIT
Office: (229) 931-5076	Beeper: (229) 928-1458




From theall at tifaware.com  Wed Mar 31 23:53:37 2004
From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:53:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman settings
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.1.20040331161410.0258fa88@canes.gsw.edu>
References: <6.0.0.22.1.20040331161410.0258fa88@canes.gsw.edu>
Message-ID: <20040331215337.GC17945@tifaware.com>

On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 04:15:10PM -0500, Tim Faircloth wrote:

> Is there a way to export settings for a list so I can use them for other 
> lists?

From a commandline, you can use config_list; eg,

      /usr/local/mailman/bin/config_list -o /tmp/$list.cfg $list

to list the settings for $list.  See also the -i option for use in
configuring lists. 

George
-- 
theall at tifaware.com
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From jcapy2 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 31 23:31:50 2004
From: jcapy2 at yahoo.com (Joshua Capy)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:31:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick question
Message-ID: <20040331213150.69287.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com>

I am interested in your mailing list program,but I
need to be able to pragmatically send it
administration commands via email from a database
application that will control subscribes, unsubcribes
and changes in email addresses. Can this be done with
your program?
Thanx
Joshua

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