From jp at warpix.org  Sun Feb  1 01:33:44 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 00:33:44 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail and Web addresses for list
Message-ID: <20040201003343.Z81@warpix.org>



Is there any way I can set up a new list so that Web address is prefixed 
by 'www' but the email address isn't?

At the moment they both end up the same.

-- 
John





From paul at thcwd.com  Sun Feb  1 03:09:44 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:09:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.4 info/html issue
In-Reply-To: <E1AmgQY-0004nt-1M@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AmgQY-0004nt-1M@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040131200423.07955a00@mail.thcwd.com>

Fred Stutzman wrote:
>Does anyone have any last ideas about my issue, described in the thread
>below?  If not, i'll submit a bug.

and

 > I played around with one of my own lists, and was able to replicate the
 > behavior.  You can check that out at:
 >
 > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/somewhat

     The source for that page you link to is:

<P>&lt;html&gt;
<br>&lt;body&gt;
<br>This is the listserv for the site www.somewhat.org.
<br>
<br>&lt;a href=&quot;http://ibiblio.org&quot;&gt;Test!&lt;/a&gt;
<br>
<br>&lt;/body&gt;
<br>&lt;/html&gt;</P>

      Based on this the page shows what is expected.  Are the brackets 
being converted to ampersand characters when you save the page??

      That aside, the page has opening and closing body and html tags 
already, so adding a new set is going to be a mess.

<>< Paul




From mike at openconcept.ca  Sun Feb  1 03:16:17 2004
From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:16:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto RSS Feeds from Mailman
Message-ID: <1075601777.4040.38.camel@office.openconcept.ca>

Hello,

A while back I came across this mailman2rss tool:
	http://taint.org/mmrss/

I was informed by one of this script's authors that mailman was going to
be developing this capacity internally.  I wondered when it was going to
be released (and documented).  

I would like to use this feature, but couldn't find any reference by
searching the site:
http://www.google.ca/search?q=site:list.org+rss

I'm also keen to learn if mailman can manage to export rss feeds for
private lists..  I don't want these available to the public, but would
like to make rss feeds from private lists available to internal
applications.

In anycase, please let me know.  I understand that going through
mailman's auth isn't as simple as posting something to an http auth
page.  

Mike
-- 
Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting
Free Software for Social Change -> http://www.openconcept.ca
Stop Cdn Pension Plan War Investments -> http://coat.openconcept.ca/
Another world is not only possible, she is on her way -Arundhati Roy




From paul at thcwd.com  Sun Feb  1 04:03:23 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:03:23 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Subscription/UnSubscription withoug a password
In-Reply-To: <E1AmfAn-00012g-72@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AmfAn-00012g-72@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040131194959.078b7df8@mail.thcwd.com>

Andrew Stebakov wrote:
>I was wondering if it's ever possible in mailman not to use any password 
>when the user subscribes or unsubscribes?

     It can be done.  Actually a password is generated, but you can remove 
any hit of this if you want.  You will have to edit the subscribe form (or 
make your own) and welcome letter, and kill the password 
notifications.  Everything you need should be in the FAQ.

<>< Paul



From nospam at codegnome.org  Sun Feb  1 05:51:05 2004
From: nospam at codegnome.org (Todd A. Jacobs)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:51:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERP + Postfix recipient_delimiter issue
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0401312039010.15554@gateway.codegnome.org>

Environment:
    # Postfix 2.0.11: main.cf
    recipient_delimiter = -
    owner_request_special = no

    # Mailman 2.1.2: mm_cfg.py
    VERP_FORMAT = '%(bounces)s-%(mailbox)s=%(host)s'
    VERP_REGEXP = r'^(?P<bounces>[^-]+?)-(?P<mailbox>[^=]+)=(?P<host>[^@]+)@.*$'
    VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes
    VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes
    VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
    VERP_CONFIRM_FORMAT = '%(addr)s-%(cookie)s'
    VERP_CONFIRM_REGEXP = r'^(?P<addr>[^-]+?)-(?P<cookie>[^@]+)@.*$'
    VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes

Problem:
    Lists such as foo-announce or foo-users don't VERP properly. My
    guess is that the VERP regex is not handling the embedded dashes
    properly. I'm sure I'm not the only person who uses "-" as a
    recipient delimiter; is there a good regex for use with this
    configuration?

-- 
Todd's "Customer Disservice Hall of Shame" currently contains:
    - Charter Communications: Mislead their customers about service
      levels, block normal Internet connectivity, and exhibit excessive
      downtime.
    - AT&T: Honoring the "checks" they send out to entice you to switch
      long-distance providers is apparently optional.
    - eFax: Receive (not send) 20 pages of *unsolicited* faxes, and lose
      your account.



From mtam at theearthcenter.com  Sun Feb  1 18:06:45 2004
From: mtam at theearthcenter.com (mtam at theearthcenter.com)
Date: Sun,  1 Feb 2004 12:06:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
In-Reply-To: <E1AnL0u-0005Cb-ID@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AnL0u-0005Cb-ID@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1075655205.401d322530fb4@www.theearthcenter.com>

please unsubscribe



From paul at thcwd.com  Sun Feb  1 19:32:22 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 12:32:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Period Mailings;
	Like Birthday Announcements using Mailmail
In-Reply-To: <E1AnL0u-0005Cb-M0@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AnL0u-0005Cb-M0@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040201122404.0770b280@mail.thcwd.com>

doug wrote:
>I've been using Yahoo Groups, but have tired of the all the ads. So, I've
>setup a mail list using MailMan.
>
>However I really miss the ability to have monthly and yearly e-mails
>automatically sent. Is there anyway to automatically send e-mails to the
>list on specific dates in the future?

      Mail man is open source, so you can add anything you like - if you 
know how.  I've been playing with this a bit - I was going to use the edit 
html pages to make it easy for list managers, but so far I've not cracked 
it.  Another option, probably a better one, would be to set up a PHP 
calender program and add links to it on some of the admin 
pages.  Unfortunately learning PHP is still on my to do list.


<>< Paul



From ntbrito at fc.up.pt  Sun Feb  1 20:12:20 2004
From: ntbrito at fc.up.pt (=?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E9lson_Jorge_Teixeira_de_Brito?=)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 19:12:20 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Period Mailings;
	Like Birthday Announcements using Mailmail
Message-ID: <6C60E0294337E84EBE5B198747277FA9246769@MAIL.fc.up.pt>

Hi,
you can simple write a cron that sends mail to your list announcing the
birthdays or whatever, but, as Paul Byerly says you can do a script for that
purpose. It will be more usefull for sure.


regards,
nb


-----Original Message-----
From:	mailman-users-bounces+ntbrito=fc.up.pt at python.org on behalf of Paul H Byerly
Sent:	Sun 01-Feb-04 18:32
To:	mailman-users at python.org
Cc:	
Subject:	[Mailman-Users] RE: Period Mailings;Like Birthday Announcements using Mailmail
doug wrote:
>I've been using Yahoo Groups, but have tired of the all the ads. So, I've
>setup a mail list using MailMan.
>
>However I really miss the ability to have monthly and yearly e-mails
>automatically sent. Is there anyway to automatically send e-mails to the
>list on specific dates in the future?

      Mail man is open source, so you can add anything you like - if you 
know how.  I've been playing with this a bit - I was going to use the edit 
html pages to make it easy for list managers, but so far I've not cracked 
it.  Another option, probably a better one, would be to set up a PHP 
calender program and add links to it on some of the admin 
pages.  Unfortunately learning PHP is still on my to do list.


<>< Paul

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From melanie at lweil.com  Sun Feb  1 06:34:08 2004
From: melanie at lweil.com (LWE - Lockport, IL)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:34:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] link error. need documentation
Message-ID: <002001c3e885$0512fa10$6501a8c0@WebMinx>

I need the documentation for List Manager.  The link that you specify for
this does not work.

 

See page: http://www.list.org/docs.html

See Link:  <http://www.list.org/admins.html> List Managers 



From andyk at spunge.org  Sun Feb  1 14:40:59 2004
From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:40:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Corrupted foreign fonts.
Message-ID: <401D0FFB.3979.2D74A7@localhost>

Hi!

In monthly reminders send by mailman in Polish, Polish fonts are 
corrupted. Code page in the header of the message is correct i.e. iso-
8859-2, but instead of Polish fonts there are only some numbers displayed 
as can be seen there:
http://znik.wbc.lublin.pl/~ak/rozne/bad_PL_fonts.gif

What should be done to fix it?

Regards
Andrzej.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Feb  1 23:25:26 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Feb 2004 17:25:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Period Mailings;	Like Birthday
	Announcements using Mailmail
In-Reply-To: <6C60E0294337E84EBE5B198747277FA9246769@MAIL.fc.up.pt>
References: <6C60E0294337E84EBE5B198747277FA9246769@MAIL.fc.up.pt>
Message-ID: <1075674326.3139.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Most folks use a cronjob to mail out FAQ's and other periodic mailings. 
If you look at mailman you will see that it also uses cronjobs to send
out its monthly mailings and it's daily digests.

Its an easy thing to do.

Jon Carnes

On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 14:12, N?lson Jorge Teixeira de Brito wrote:
> Hi,
> you can simple write a cron that sends mail to your list announcing the
> birthdays or whatever, but, as Paul Byerly says you can do a script for that
> purpose. It will be more usefull for sure.
> 
> 
> regards,
> nb
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	mailman-users-bounces+ntbrito=fc.up.pt at python.org on behalf of Paul H Byerly
> Sent:	Sun 01-Feb-04 18:32
> To:	mailman-users at python.org
> Cc:	
> Subject:	[Mailman-Users] RE: Period Mailings;Like Birthday Announcements using Mailmail
> doug wrote:
> >I've been using Yahoo Groups, but have tired of the all the ads. So, I've
> >setup a mail list using MailMan.
> >
> >However I really miss the ability to have monthly and yearly e-mails
> >automatically sent. Is there anyway to automatically send e-mails to the
> >list on specific dates in the future?
> 
>       Mail man is open source, so you can add anything you like - if you 
> know how.  I've been playing with this a bit - I was going to use the edit 
> html pages to make it easy for list managers, but so far I've not cracked 
> it.  Another option, probably a better one, would be to set up a PHP 
> calender program and add links to it on some of the admin 
> pages.  Unfortunately learning PHP is still on my to do list.
> 
> 
> <>< Paul
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From ntbrito at fc.up.pt  Sun Feb  1 23:59:55 2004
From: ntbrito at fc.up.pt (=?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E9lson_Jorge_Teixeira_de_Brito?=)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:59:55 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Period Mailings;
	Like Birthday Announcements using Mailmail
Message-ID: <6C60E0294337E84EBE5B198747277FA924676A@MAIL.fc.up.pt>

Yes you can :-) but you have to learn somethnig about cron...
man 5 crontab should enougth for now ;-)
To avoid the passwd reminder do

crontab -e -u mailman (your mailman user)
then comment this line.

# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds

nelson


-----Original Message-----
From:	Doug Piper [mailto:doug.piper at wovenelectronics.com]
Sent:	Sun 01-Feb-04 19:17
To:	N?lson Jorge Teixeira de Brito
Cc:	
Subject:	RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: Period Mailings;Like Birthday Announcements using Mailmail
Thanks for your answer. I was hoping there I could maybe leverage-off the existing password mailing that goes every 30-days.

I'm unfamiliar with CRON. Where can I learn more about it?

Doug Piper
Woven Electronics
P.O. Box 189
Mauldin, SC  29662
PH 864-967-1751
FAX: 800-514-0188
http://www.wovenelectronics.com/
doug.piper at wovenelectronics.com

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+doug=hyperpiper.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+doug=hyperpiper.com at python.org]On Behalf Of N?lson Jorge Teixeira de Brito
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:12 PM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: Period Mailings;Like Birthday Announcements using Mailmail

Hi,
you can simple write a cron that sends mail to your list announcing the
birthdays or whatever, but, as Paul Byerly says you can do a script for that
purpose. It will be more usefull for sure.


regards,
nb


-----Original Message-----
From:   mailman-users-bounces+ntbrito=fc.up.pt at python.org on behalf of Paul H Byerly
Sent:   Sun 01-Feb-04 18:32
To:     mailman-users at python.org
Cc:    
Subject:        [Mailman-Users] RE: Period Mailings;Like Birthday Announcements using Mailmail
doug wrote:
>I've been using Yahoo Groups, but have tired of the all the ads. So, I've
>setup a mail list using MailMan.
>
>However I really miss the ability to have monthly and yearly e-mails
>automatically sent. Is there anyway to automatically send e-mails to the
>list on specific dates in the future?

      Mail man is open source, so you can add anything you like - if you
know how.  I've been playing with this a bit - I was going to use the edit
html pages to make it easy for list managers, but so far I've not cracked
it.  Another option, probably a better one, would be to set up a PHP
calender program and add links to it on some of the admin
pages.  Unfortunately learning PHP is still on my to do list.


<>< Paul

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From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Mon Feb  2 01:42:51 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:42:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] link error. need documentation
References: <002001c3e885$0512fa10$6501a8c0@WebMinx>
Message-ID: <alm.20040202014254.16821@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

"LWE - Lockport, IL" schrieb:

> I need the documentation for List Manager.  The link that you specify for
> this does not work.

It does.

> See page: http://www.list.org/docs.html
>
> See Link:  <http://www.list.org/admins.html> List Managers 

It displays:

| List Manager Documentation
|
| Chris Kolar has made available list manager documentation for Mailman. 

Try <http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/>.

-thh




From randy.stoecker at utoledo.edu  Mon Feb  2 03:26:55 2004
From: randy.stoecker at utoledo.edu (randy.stoecker at utoledo.edu)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:26:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new 2.1.4 spam filters not working
Message-ID: <401D6F1F.16993.29A2EB9@localhost>

I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1.4 and am having two problems with the 
new header_filter_rules spam filter.  First, after I have saved the 
expressions, if I change anything else in the Privacy options 
(Subscription rules, Sender filters, Recipient filters) and save those 
changes, it erases everything in the "Spam Filter Regexp:" box.  Even 
while those expressions are there, they seem to have no effect on 
filtering mail.  Hopefully someone can help as I was really looking 
forward to using this new feature.

Randy Stoecker
Randy Stoecker
Professor of Sociology
Moderator/Editor
COMM-ORG:  The On-Line Conference on Community Organizing and 
Development
http://comm-org.utoledo.edu
Department of Sociology and Anthropology
University of Toledo
Toledo, OH  43606
USA

phone: 419-530-4975
fax: 419-530-8406

e-mail: randy at comm-org.utoledo.edu




From rick at niof.net  Mon Feb  2 05:54:35 2004
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:54:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message disappeared
Message-ID: <20040202045435.GA3504@niof.net>

On an announcement only list a message was submitted that I approved but
it never got distributed. I can find no more trace of it. It's gone from
the data directory. What could have happened? It was an html message and
the list is set to convert all html to text.

Using Mailman version: 2.1.3

-- 
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
		-- Jodie Foster
    Rick Pasotto    rick at niof.net    http://www.niof.net



From jp at warpix.org  Mon Feb  2 11:18:43 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 10:18:43 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist for virtual host
Message-ID: <20040202101843.I81@warpix.org>



How do I go about creating a new list for a virtual host?

I know I can specify the listname as list at www.mydom.org and this works 
fine for the web interface but I'm not sure how to make the email address  
of the list to be list at mydom.org. 

Any hints would be appreciated.


-- 
John





From Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch  Mon Feb  2 11:39:29 2004
From: Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch (BERTHOLD Jean)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:39:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Memory error when running arch
Message-ID: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB04521F@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local>

Hello James,
 
On Fri Jul 27 14:51:49 EDT 2001  You posted the message: [Mailman-Users] Memory error when running arch.
 
Actually, I have exactly the same problem.
 
My OS is Solaris 9 on a Sunblade V100 server with 1 GB RAM.
 
Did you receive a response at your problem ?
 
Thanks and have a nice day
 
 
Jean Berthold
 
EOS Holding
Jean Berthold
Administrateur Unix & Oracle
Unit? Gestion de l'infrastructure
Team Syst?mes
Ch. de Mornex 10
T?l. +41(0)21 341 24 58
Fax +41(0)21 341 20 49
jean.berthold <mailto:jean.berthold at eosholding.ch> @eosholding.ch
 

From Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch  Mon Feb  2 11:40:25 2004
From: Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch (BERTHOLD Jean)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:40:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SOLVED: How to purge correctly old messages ?
Message-ID: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB04DFD8@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local>

Hello John,

I tried your command line and now it is ok.

I tried different solutions for editing large file under vi:

1. Add swap file (it is not working)
2. modify temporary storage for vi: set directory=/... (it is not working)
3. split my big file in several files it is the best solution

mailman at vanuatu # split -b 50m etrans-echanges.mbox 

mailman at vanuatu # ls -l x*
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman  52428800 Feb  1 15:30 xaa
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman  52428800 Feb  1 15:24 xab
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman  52428800 Feb  1 15:24 xac
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman  52428800 Feb  1 15:24 xad
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman  52428800 Feb  1 15:25 xae
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman  52428800 Feb  1 15:25 xaf
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman  52428800 Feb  1 15:25 xag
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman  52428800 Feb  1 15:25 xah
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman    65510 Feb  1 15:56 xai
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman  52428800 Feb  1 15:25 xaj
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman  52428800 Feb  1 15:25 xak
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman  52428800 Feb  1 15:25 xal
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman  52428800 Feb  1 15:26 xam
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman  1810704 Feb  1 15:26 xan
mailman at vanuatu # 

After this split command it was possible to remove what I want.

mailman at vanuatu # cat xai xaj xak xal xam xan > TMP.mbox


mailman at vanuatu # du -sh *mbox
 202M   TMP.mbox
 652M   etrans-echanges.mbox
mailman at vanuatu # 

and mv TMP to etrans...

mailman at vanuatu # ../bin/arch --wipe etrans-echanges
...
...
...
Updating HTML for article 2604
Updating HTML for article 2605
Updating HTML for article 2606
Updating HTML for article 2607
Updating HTML for article 2608
Updating HTML for article 2609
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "../bin/arch", line 187, in ?
    main()
  File "../bin/arch", line 177, in main
    archiver.close()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 304, in close
    self.update_dirty_archives()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 518, in update_dirty_archives
    self.update_archive(i)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1032, in update_archive
    self.__super_update_archive(archive)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 426, in update_archive
    self._update_thread_index(archive, arcdir)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 480, in _update_thread_index
    self.update_article(arcdir, article, a1, a3)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1223, in update_article
    f.write(article.as_html())
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 426, in as_html
    lang=self._lang, mlist=self._mlist)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 195, in quick_maketext
    return Utils.uncanonstr(text, lang)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 758, in uncanonstr
    u = unicode(s, charset)
MemoryError


Do you have an idea about this error ?

if I run my browser, only the two latest day of February are dislplayed:

----------------------------------
Les Archives de Etrans-Echanges
vous pouvez obtenir plus d' informations ? propos de cette liste ou vous pouvez  t?l?charger les archives compl?tes ( 212 MB ). 

Archive Vue par: Version t?l?chargeable 
2 February 2004: [ Thread ] [ Sujet ] [ Auteur ] [ Date ]  [ Gzip'd Text 2 KB ] 
1 February 2004: [ Thread ] [ Sujet ] [ Auteur ] [ Date ]  [ Gzip'd Text 24 KB ] 
------------------------------------

however I kept archives from 20031031 (31 October 2003) to 2 February 2004.
I would like to display all messages between these dates...


Are my files too big ? 

mailman at vanuatu # du -sh etrans*
1015M   etrans-echanges
 203M   etrans-echanges.mbox
mailman at vanuatu # 



Thnks again

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Administrateur Unix & Oracle
Unit? Gestion de l'infrastructure
Team Syst?mes
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-----Message d'origine-----
De : John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
Envoy? : jeudi, 29. janvier 2004 16:07
? : BERTHOLD Jean
Cc : mailman-users at python.org
Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] How to purge correctly old messages ?


Jean,

BERTHOLD Jean wrote:

> mailman at vanuatu # pwd
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges.mbox
> mailman at vanuatu # ls -l
> total 1327072
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman  679109463 Jan 29 14:40 etrans-echanges.mbox
> mailman at vanuatu # vi etrans-echanges.mbox	
> mailman at vanuatu # vi etrans-echanges.mbox
> "etrans-echanges.mbox" Tmp file too large

>> You can also try and figure out which message in the mbox file you want 
>> to start archiving (instead of deleting them from the file) and run
>> 
>>   .../bin/arch --start=N --wipe etrans-echange
>> 
>> At least this should get you started.

I didn't pay very close attention to the size originally.

So my next guess is to try the "--start=N" option I mentioned above. 
See if you can figure out approximately how many messages you want to 
discard, by looking at the archives.

People with more Linux experience can suggest better approaches.

You can get fairly close to the number of messages in the .mbox file by 
running grep and wc:

grep "Return-Path:" etrans-echange.mbox | wc -l

This will tell you how many lines in the .mbox file have Return-Path: in 
them.

If not, just use trial and error.  Start with some number like half of 
the number you got above and if you have too many messages left in the 
archives, go up as needed.

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own




From r at zorbla.de  Mon Feb  2 11:47:00 2004
From: r at zorbla.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dirk_F=F6rsterling?=)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:47:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist for virtual host
In-Reply-To: <20040202101843.I81@warpix.org>
References: <20040202101843.I81@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <401E2AA4.2020906@zorbla.de>

John Poltorak wrote:
> 
> How do I go about creating a new list for a virtual host?
> 
> I know I can specify the listname as list at www.mydom.org and this works 
> fine for the web interface but 

Do you mean specifying "list at www.mydom.org" as "Name of List" on the
mailman/create page?

   -dirk

-- 
                    D i r k   F "o r s t e r l i n g
                    r at zorbla.de  http://r at zorbla.de/
                             -------------
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From jp at warpix.org  Mon Feb  2 12:53:24 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:53:24 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist for virtual host
In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C401E2AA4=2E2020906=40zorbla=2Ede=3E=3B_from_Dirk_F=F6r?=
	=?iso-8859-1?Q?sterling_on_Mon=2C_Feb_02=2C_2004_at_11:47:00AM_+0100?=
References: <20040202101843.I81@warpix.org> <401E2AA4.2020906@zorbla.de>
Message-ID: <20040202115324.J81@warpix.org>

On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 11:47:00AM +0100, Dirk F?rsterling wrote:
> John Poltorak wrote:
> > 
> > How do I go about creating a new list for a virtual host?
> > 
> > I know I can specify the listname as list at www.mydom.org and this works 
> > fine for the web interface but 
> 
> Do you mean specifying "list at www.mydom.org" as "Name of List" on the
> mailman/create page?

I'm using the command line script - newlist.

It looks as though I need to do something with add_virtualhost in 
mm_cfg.py but I haven't quite figured it out yet.

> 
>    -dirk
> 
> -- 
>                     D i r k   F "o r s t e r l i n g
>                     r at zorbla.de  http://r at zorbla.de/
>                              -------------
>   Make something idiot proof, and someone will invent a better idiot.
> 

-- 
John





From r at zorbla.de  Mon Feb  2 14:53:02 2004
From: r at zorbla.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dirk_F=F6rsterling?=)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:53:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist for virtual host
In-Reply-To: <20040202115324.J81@warpix.org>
References: <20040202101843.I81@warpix.org> <401E2AA4.2020906@zorbla.de>
	<20040202115324.J81@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <401E563E.8000403@zorbla.de>

John Poltorak wrote:
 >
 > It looks as though I need to do something with add_virtualhost in
 > mm_cfg.py but I haven't quite figured it out yet.
 >

In short, you might have this in mind:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydom.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.mydom.org'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)



   -dirk


-- 
                    D i r k   F "o r s t e r l i n g
                    r at zorbla.de  http://r at zorbla.de/
                             -------------
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From sarzales at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 18:12:48 2004
From: sarzales at yahoo.com (sara gonzales)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:12:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20040202171248.99063.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com>

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From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Mon Feb  2 19:09:32 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:09:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dynamic subscriber lists
Message-ID: <bvm3sm$l8o$1@sea.gmane.org>

This is a repost of a question I asked last week.  NOBODY replied - even
just to say "can't be done".

*
I am considering using a real MLM to manage the mailling lists we use
within our department.   However, one of the requirement for this is
that the product must be able to get is subscriber list from our LDAP
(OpenLDAP 3) information store.

For example, in LDAP there is an attribute for each user that tells us
whether they are "faculty", "staff", "grad", or "undergrad"  (there are
others, but this works for the example).

I need a MLM that can make an LDAP query and get all of the "faculty",
then send the message out.  It needs to do this for EVERY message for
that list.


Can MailMan do this?
If not, is there a MLM that can?

--?

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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chris-barnes at tamu.edu                      Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes
Computer Systems Manager                         ph: 979-845-7801
Department of Physics                           fax: 979-845-2590
Texas A&M University






From saurav at sas.upenn.edu  Mon Feb  2 19:14:25 2004
From: saurav at sas.upenn.edu (Saurav Pathak)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 13:14:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing post held message
Message-ID: <20040202181425.GA14705@mail1.sas.upenn.edu>

Hi,

I wish to change the post held message for only one of the mailing
list.  How may I do that?  If I changed the text in the file 
(mailman directory)/templates/en/postheld.txt
I will have changed it for all mailing lists.  Which I don't want to
do.

Also, I pre-process mails using procmail.  Different recipes add
different headers to the mail, which are then used to filter the 
mails.  How may I send out different messages to posters for 
different header flags?  For example one header is "X-IsSpam: yes"
and another is "X-IsVirus: yes".  I use these headers to filter the
messages in mailman.  I would like different messages to go out to
the posters for these two different flags. 

I am using Mailman 2.1.1 from the Redhat 9 distribution. 

Thanks for your help.

saurav



From paul at thcwd.com  Mon Feb  2 19:14:01 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:14:01 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: RE: Period Mailings;
 Like Birthday Announcements using Mailmail
In-Reply-To: <E1AnQdj-0001NC-7H@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AnQdj-0001NC-7H@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040202120902.076f2d50@mail.thcwd.com>

nb wrote:
>you can simple write a cron that sends mail to your list announcing the
>birthdays or whatever, but, as Paul Byerly says you can do a script for that
>purpose. It will be more usefull for sure



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Feb  2 19:42:22 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Feb 2004 13:42:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Memory error when running arch
In-Reply-To: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB04521F@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local>
References: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB04521F@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local>
Message-ID: <1075747342.3139.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Unfortunately the arch program is not optimized for real-world use and
tries to load the whole mbox archive into RAM.  Not a clever thing to
do.  One day we'll have to re-write it so that it is less memory
intensive.  For now you can try using the arbitrary numbering scheme to
run the arch program - and split the task into several smaller ones, or
you can edit your mbox archive and dump some of the earlier emails.

I like to copy off the mbox at the end of the year and start from a
fresh one in January.  I generally have my archives set so that  they do
a monthly grouping.  Once you cross into the new month, there is no
reason to keep the older emails from younger months - just don't delete
the html archives for those months.

Take care - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 05:39, BERTHOLD Jean wrote:
> Hello James,
>  
> On Fri Jul 27 14:51:49 EDT 2001  You posted the message: [Mailman-Users] Memory error when running arch.
>  
> Actually, I have exactly the same problem.
>  
> My OS is Solaris 9 on a Sunblade V100 server with 1 GB RAM.
>  
> Did you receive a response at your problem ?
>  
> Thanks and have a nice day
>  
> 
> Jean Berthold
>  
> EOS Holding
> Jean Berthold
> Administrateur Unix & Oracle
> Unit? Gestion de l'infrastructure
> Team Syst?mes
> Ch. de Mornex 10
> T?l. +41(0)21 341 24 58
> Fax +41(0)21 341 20 49
> jean.berthold <mailto:jean.berthold at eosholding.ch> @eosholding.ch
>  
> 
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From simon at caperet.com  Mon Feb  2 19:47:21 2004
From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:47:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dynamic subscriber lists
In-Reply-To: <bvm3sm$l8o$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <bvm3sm$l8o$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20040202184721.GB2215@mediadev.com>

02-Feb-04 at 12:09, Chris Barnes (chris-barnes at tamu.edu) wrote :
> This is a repost of a question I asked last week.  NOBODY replied - even
> just to say "can't be done".

Maybe nobody has a setup like that already, so they have nothing to say.
"Can't be done" is usually a phrase in the open source world that would
never be said. Nothing is impossible with source open for you, you could
even interface Mailman to your toaster. Not out of the box though :-)

> I need a MLM that can make an LDAP query and get all of the "faculty",
> then send the message out.  It needs to do this for EVERY message for
> that list.

AFAIK, the Mailman subscribers are stored in an internal database. In
order to get something working you'd probably have to hack your own
Python code. I might be wrong about that, but it can't be too hard to
get LDAP and Python working together.

I don't know where the dev is going where using an LDAP or SQL DB to
keep data is concerned. Apparently Sympa has an SQL backend which may or
may not be easier to hack.

Otherwise you can use the tools add_members and sync_members to keep a
sync between an external LDAP query tool in any language and the Mailman
DB. Getting query output to look like a plain text list of email
addresses to STDOUT shouldn't be too hard.

Without making some provision yourself for some kind of hacking, it
can't directly be done with Mailman, or with any other tools that I can
think of 'off the shelf'. You might get away with just an MTA with LDAP
and some kind of group aliasing hack (? la Postfix+LDAP aliases) too,
that depends on your list management requirements.

The difficulty with Mailman or any other mailing list tool is that
subscribes and unsubscribes have to be intelligently handled, so you'd
have to add flags (unsubscribe) to your LDAP queries, etc. If you don't
need to worry so much about subscriptions, because you're sending bulk
announcements in an education or corporate environment, then you don't
need all the complexity of Mailman, (digests, unsubscribes and
moderation + bounce processing to name the main ones off the top of my
head). You just need aliases to groups determined, most probably, by a
single LDAP query, see my comment about LDAP and Postfix for example.

Regards,

-- 
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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon Feb  2 20:05:43 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:05:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dynamic subscriber lists
In-Reply-To: <bvm3sm$l8o$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <bvm3sm$l8o$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20040202190543.GN21263@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Chris Barnes wrote:
> I am considering using a real MLM to manage the mailling lists we
> use within our department.   However, one of the requirement for
> this is that the product must be able to get is subscriber list from
> our LDAP (OpenLDAP 3) information store.
>
> For example, in LDAP there is an attribute for each user that tells
> us whether they are "faculty", "staff", "grad", or "undergrad"
> (there are others, but this works for the example).
>
> I need a MLM that can make an LDAP query and get all of the
> "faculty", then send the message out.  It needs to do this for EVERY
> message for that list.
>
>
> Can MailMan do this?

Not out of the box.  You might want to take a look at the work Martin
Whinnery did on an LDAP member adaptor to see if it can do what you
want.  If it's close, you might be able to help improve it so that
others can benefit from it.

http://webserver.offal.homelinux.org/LDAPMemberAdaptor/V2.1/LDAPMemberAdaptor/index.html

- -- 
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From saurav at sas.upenn.edu  Mon Feb  2 20:54:42 2004
From: saurav at sas.upenn.edu (Saurav Pathak)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:54:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing post held message
In-Reply-To: <20040202181425.GA14705@mail1.sas.upenn.edu>
References: <20040202181425.GA14705@mail1.sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <20040202195442.GA24857@mail1.sas.upenn.edu>




Thus spake Saurav Pathak:

+  Hi,
+  
+  I wish to change the post held message for only one of the mailing
+  list.  How may I do that?  If I changed the text in the file 
+  (mailman directory)/templates/en/postheld.txt
+  I will have changed it for all mailing lists.  Which I don't want to
+  do.

This part of the question was previously answered here.  I apologize
for repeating the question.
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg17818.html

saurav

+  
+  Also, I pre-process mails using procmail.  Different recipes add
+  different headers to the mail, which are then used to filter the 
+  mails.  How may I send out different messages to posters for 
+  different header flags?  For example one header is "X-IsSpam: yes"
+  and another is "X-IsVirus: yes".  I use these headers to filter the
+  messages in mailman.  I would like different messages to go out to
+  the posters for these two different flags. 
+  
+  I am using Mailman 2.1.1 from the Redhat 9 distribution. 
+  
+  Thanks for your help.
+  
+  saurav
+  
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+  
+  This message was sent to: saurav at sas.upenn.edu
+  Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Feb  2 21:16:53 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 21:16:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dynamic subscriber lists
In-Reply-To: <bvm3sm$l8o$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <bvm3sm$l8o$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p06002002bc446014db1e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:09 PM -0600 2004/02/02, Chris Barnes wrote:

>  This is a repost of a question I asked last week.  NOBODY replied - even
>  just to say "can't be done".

	Speaking only for myself, if I am silent on an advanced technical 
issue, that usually means that I have no clue how the problem might 
be solved.

>  I am considering using a real MLM to manage the mailling lists we use
>  within our department.   However, one of the requirement for this is
>  that the product must be able to get is subscriber list from our LDAP
>  (OpenLDAP 3) information store.
>
>  For example, in LDAP there is an attribute for each user that tells us
>  whether they are "faculty", "staff", "grad", or "undergrad"  (there are
>  others, but this works for the example).
>
>  I need a MLM that can make an LDAP query and get all of the "faculty",
>  then send the message out.  It needs to do this for EVERY message for
>  that list.

	I'm quite certain that the current version of Mailman does not 
support alternative back-end databases, whether SQL or LDAP or 
whatever.  I do not know of any mailing list package that can use 
LDAP as a back-end, although there are some that can use SQL (e.g., 
Lyris, which is an expensive commercial package).

-- 
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From graham_guttocks at yahoo.co.nz  Mon Feb  2 21:37:55 2004
From: graham_guttocks at yahoo.co.nz (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Guttocks?=)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:37:55 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] supporting all ``available_languages''?
Message-ID: <20040202203755.98583.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings,

I'm running MM 2.1.x.  Every time a new point release is
made, it seems a few more languages are added.  I then have
to go into the web interface for each list, and click those 
new checkboxes under the ``available_languages'' section.

Is there some mm_cfg.py variable I've missed which says
essentially ``support all available languages'' so that when
new languages are added, they just automatically are picked up?


=====
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From hsiaolungchang at cksf.org  Mon Feb  2 21:59:52 2004
From: hsiaolungchang at cksf.org (Hsiao-lung Chang)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:59:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem /mailman/create inaccessible...
Message-ID: <000601c3e9cf$8187f960$49d02241@neuroshock>

Hi, first time using mailman.

I'm getting 404 error when attempting to access /mailman/create for the
first time.
I'm using OpenBSD 3.4 and mailman-2.1.2p0.tgz package.
The httpd process is running as www, what create is expecting.
But it doesn't even seem like its able to find the file?
Here's a diff between the original httpd.conf and the modified for
Mailman.
Am I missing anything else?

Thanks.
514,517d513
< 
< # Mailman
< Alias /pipermail/ "/var/spool/mailman/archives/public/"
< 
553,562d548
< </Directory>
< 
< # Mailman
< ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/"
< 
< <Directory "/usr/local/lib/mailman/cgi-bin">
< 	AllowOverride None
< 	Options None
< 	Order allow,deny
< 	Allow from all



USER       PID  PPID  PGID   SESS JOBC  STAT TT       TIME COMMAND
www      26872     1 26872 23d770f0    0 Is    ??    0:00.03 httpd:
parent [chro
o
www       4301 26872 26872 23d770f0    0 I     ??    0:00.00 httpd:
child (httpd
)
www      24976 26872 26872 23d770f0    0 I     ??    0:00.00 httpd:
child (httpd
)
www       4514 26872 26872 23d770f0    0 I     ??    0:00.00 httpd:
child (httpd
)
www      13475 26872 26872 23d770f0    0 I     ??    0:00.00 httpd:
child (httpd
)
www      23389 26872 26872 23d770f0    0 I     ??    0:00.00 httpd:
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From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Mon Feb  2 21:51:59 2004
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:51:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dynamic subscriber lists
In-Reply-To: <p06002002bc446014db1e@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <bvm3sm$l8o$1@sea.gmane.org> <p06002002bc446014db1e@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <401EB86F.7090500@mitre.org>

Chris,

I haven't seen anyone accomplish the dynamic, per message, requirement 
you have stated.

However, I have seen posts on this list about people who run some sort 
of query nightly (or perhaps twice a day or so) to generate files like 
"faculty" in the right format.  Then they run ~mailman/bin/sync_members 
to take care of any changes that may have happened in the last time period.

HTH.

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own





From mailing-lists at slortar.net  Mon Feb  2 23:28:09 2004
From: mailing-lists at slortar.net (Luc Brouard)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:28:09 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dynamic subscriber lists
In-Reply-To: <p06002002bc446014db1e@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <bvm3sm$l8o$1@sea.gmane.org> <p06002002bc446014db1e@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040202222809.GA15376@slortar.net>

On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 09:16:53PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 12:09 PM -0600 2004/02/02, Chris Barnes wrote:
> 
> > This is a repost of a question I asked last week.  NOBODY replied - even
> > just to say "can't be done".
> 
> 	Speaking only for myself, if I am silent on an advanced technical 
> issue, that usually means that I have no clue how the problem might 
> be solved.
> 
> > I am considering using a real MLM to manage the mailling lists we use
> > within our department.   However, one of the requirement for this is
> > that the product must be able to get is subscriber list from our LDAP
> > (OpenLDAP 3) information store.
> >
> > For example, in LDAP there is an attribute for each user that tells us
> > whether they are "faculty", "staff", "grad", or "undergrad"  (there are
> > others, but this works for the example).
> >
> > I need a MLM that can make an LDAP query and get all of the "faculty",
> > then send the message out.  It needs to do this for EVERY message for
> > that list.
> 
> 	I'm quite certain that the current version of Mailman does not 
> support alternative back-end databases, whether SQL or LDAP or 
> whatever.  I do not know of any mailing list package that can use 
> LDAP as a back-end, although there are some that can use SQL (e.g., 
> Lyris, which is an expensive commercial package).

I think that sympa can do LDAP.

Just switch from it, because there were no command line scripts out of
the box.

Luc



From chasonh at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  2 16:37:51 2004
From: chasonh at hotmail.com (Chason Hayes)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:37:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with cron message from mailman
Message-ID: <401E6ECF.1080907@hotmail.com>

I get this message and don't know what to do with it. I have browsed the 
source code and tracked it down to a lack of a definition of the 
variable mailman in the Defaults.py file but am not sure what to do 
about it. I don't run a mailing list on this server. Please help

From: 	Cron Daemon <root at mail.bonesrus.org>
To: 	mailman at mail.bonesrus.org
Subject: 	Cron <mailman at mail> /usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
Date: 	Sun, 1 Feb 2004 05:00:01 -0500	
Site list is missing: mailman




From abwatson at visionscience.com  Mon Feb  2 20:14:00 2004
From: abwatson at visionscience.com (Andrew Watson)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:14:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] memory error in admindb.py
In-Reply-To: <E1AnhSu-0002x7-R8@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AnhSu-0002x7-R8@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <p06002006bc444d5a55ed@[143.232.72.120]>

Upon going to my list admin interface to tend to admin chores, i got 
the following page:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.7

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem.  Printing 
of traceback and other system information has been explicitly 
inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman 
error logs.

Upon looking in the logs, I find the following:


Feb 02 11:32:07 2004 admin(21028): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(21028): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.7 -----]
admin(21028): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(21028): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(21028):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(21028):     main()
admin(21028):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 114, in main
admin(21028):     text = doc.Format(bgcolor="#ffffff")
admin(21028):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 
286, in Format
admin(21028):     output.append(Container.Format(self, indent))
admin(21028):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 
258, in Format
admin(21028):     output.append(HTMLFormatObject(item, indent))
admin(21028):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 
44, in HTMLFormatObject
admin(21028):     return item.Format(indent)
admin(21028):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 
361, in Format
admin(21028):     output = output + Container.Format(self, indent+2)
admin(21028):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 
259, in Format
admin(21028):     return string.join(output, '')
admin(21028):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/string.py", line 136, in join
admin(21028):     return sep.join(words)
admin(21028): MemoryError
admin(21028): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(21028): sys.version    = 2.2.3 (#1, Jul  2 2003, 15:45:27)
[GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release) [FreeBSD]]
admin(21028): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
admin(21028): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(21028): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(21028): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(21028): sys.platform   = freebsd4
admin(21028): [----- Environment Variables -----]

--there follows a lot of environment variables which i could provide 
if they are helpful--


Can anyone provide any insight on this?
Without the admin interface, my list is in a coma.
There are 173 held messages in the folder mailman/data/
The list was working fine as of friday 1/30.
So far as i know, I have not modified anything in the last few days 
that might have caused this problem.
(I know I should be running a more recent version, but i am at the 
mercy of my ISP (verio)).

-Andrew



From barbarita_ole at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  1 21:57:47 2004
From: barbarita_ole at hotmail.com (Barbara Martinez)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:57:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: [SUY-87166]: mailing list errors
Message-ID: <Law9-F101I7GVHAlTWR0002f5c9@hotmail.com>

Hi,

I'm having trouble accessing my mailing list all of a s udden.

When I go to 
http://barbaramartinez.com/mailman/admin/fans_barbaramartinez.com I get this 
message:

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable 
to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, webmaster at barbaramartinez.com and 
inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done 
that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.


Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an 
ErrorDocument to handle the request.

This is the first time I get an error like this and I need to access my list 
ASAP!

Thanks,
B?rbara

B?RBARA MART?NEZ
+1 917 940 9211
flamenco at ny.com
barbarita_ole at hotmail.com
www.barbaramartinez.com


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Hush Lee" <support at lunarpages.com>
To: barbarita_ole at hotmail.com
Subject: [SUY-87166]: mailing list errors
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:48:50 -0800

====== Please reply above this line ======
mailing list errors

Hello,

Thank you for contacting Lunar Pages support.

Full details of the MailMan mail list software can be found at: 
http://www.list.org/

Specifically, error message details are available at:
http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/

This second link is for the documentation for List Administrators and is 
maintained outside of the MailMan offical website (list.org) but can be 
found on their documentation page.

I hope this information is helpful.

Lunar Pages Community Support Forums: http://www.lunarforums.com
C-Panel Instructions and Assistance: 
http://www.lunarpages.com/new_manual/index.shtml
C-Panel Demo (User: demo Pass: demo): 
http://demo:demo at onlinedemo.lunarpages.com:2082/
Lunar Pages Tutorial Series: http://www.lunarpages.com/tutorials/

If you have any further questions, or comments, please do not hesitate to 
reply to this message.  Feedback on our service is always welcome at our 
feedback desk: feedback at lunarpages.com

Regards

Hush Lee
support at lunarpages.com
TOLL FREE: 1-877-LUNARPAGES (1-877-5862772) (USA/Canada)
FREE FONE: 0800 0721950 (UK)
INTERNATIONAL: +1 714-521-8150 (Outside USA/Canada)
(Monday-Friday 7am-5pm PST/PDT)

Ticket Details
=========
Ticket ID: SUY-87166
Tracking URL: 
http://support.lunarpages.com/index.php?_a=tickets&_m=viewmain&email22=barbarita_ole at hotmail.com&ticketkey22=c573f1
Department: Support
Created On: 28 Jan 2004 04:04 PM
Last Update: 28 Jan 2004 10:12 PM
Status: On Hold

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From elenagalli at tele2.it  Sun Feb  1 22:28:07 2004
From: elenagalli at tele2.it (Elena Galli)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:28:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
Message-ID: <002601c3e90a$4a322190$ac81d351@elena>

I need to know if it is possible to translate all the contents of the mail and instructions of your program.
In fact, i would like to write all the text in Italian.
thank you very much
Yours sincerely
Elena Galli


From melserd2 at lincoln.ac.nz  Mon Feb  2 01:51:56 2004
From: melserd2 at lincoln.ac.nz (Anton Melser)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:51:56 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] docs missing
Message-ID: <401E55FC.29004.10DDC10@localhost>

Hi,
Does anyone know what has happened to the list admin docs?
http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar
seems to give errors and no docs!
Cheers
Anton



From aryross at netvision.net.il  Mon Feb  2 13:50:52 2004
From: aryross at netvision.net.il (Aryeh Ross)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:50:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly  mailings
Message-ID: <000801c3e98b$31c8e040$0101c80a@Ross>

Hi is there a way in mailman to have an automatic monthly mailings?

Thank you


From nmariano at hospitalfeira.min-saude.pt  Mon Feb  2 15:30:00 2004
From: nmariano at hospitalfeira.min-saude.pt (Nuno Mariano)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:30:00 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
Message-ID: <20040202143824.E2CDA180B7@imss>

Hi there,

 

I?ve a problem with Mailman that i?ll try to describe:

            

            I?m owner and moderator of one list, when someone post a mail,
approval is needed but if nothing is done in 48 hours the mail is
automatically sent to the list.

 

I?ve search documentation, FAQ?s, mailing lists but I didn?t find anything
about this situation. Can someone help me?

 

Thanks,

----

Nuno Mariano

Servi?o de Inform?tica

Hospital S?o Sebasti?o S.A.- Santa Maria da Feira

Tel.: +351 256 379 700 Ext. 1224

 



From karres at itg.uiuc.edu  Mon Feb  2 19:13:43 2004
From: karres at itg.uiuc.edu (Dean Karres)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:13:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated, read-only list, pending queue numbers
Message-ID: <20040202181343.GA3109@zeus.itg.uiuc.edu>

Hi,

I have just installed MailMan 2.1.1.  I have been testing it for a
couple of days and am pretty happy so far.  This morning though
something happened that concerns me a little.

My test list is moderated.  It is as read-only as I can figure out how
to make it.  *All* postings to the list are moderated, even the list
owner & moderator's messages are moderated.

I have been sending various test messages to my list.  As the moderator 
I get moderation alert messages in return.  The list of messages to
moderate all have numbers from 1...N.  So, I have been moderating the 
test messages and have sent one last one.  I return to the "Tend to
pending moderator requests" page from previous tests and just hit 
reload.

Instead of refreshing the display and showing me the new message pending
moderation, it appears as though it applied the "accept" operation for
the previous request.  My test message went out to the list technically
unmoderated.

Ok, I don't know the underlying mechanism so I'm making a WAG here.
I am assuming that each pending message gets a queue number based on 
it's arrival order in the current, unmoderated queue.  If this is the 
case, is there a way to change this number to a monotonically increasing
integer [i.e. a unique message number] for each message instead of
resetting the numbers to "1" each time?

I'm guessing that this might prevent the page-reload / apply the last
operation on this unsuspecting message problem.

Dean...K...

-- 
              Dean Karres / karres at uiuc dot edu / itg.uiuc.edu

                  Imaging Technology Group / Beckman Institute
                             University of Illinois
                    405 North Mathews / Urbana, IL 61801 USA




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue Feb  3 01:04:54 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:04:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: [SUY-87166]: mailing list errors
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F101I7GVHAlTWR0002f5c9@hotmail.com>
References: <Law9-F101I7GVHAlTWR0002f5c9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040203000454.GO16958@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Barbara Martinez wrote:
> I'm having trouble accessing my mailing list all of a s udden.
>
> When I go to 
> http://barbaramartinez.com/mailman/admin/fans_barbaramartinez.com I
> get this message:
>
> Internal Server Error
> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
> unable to complete your request.  Please contact the server
> administrator, webmaster at barbaramartinez.com and inform them of the
> time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may
> have caused the error.
>
> More information about this error may be available in the server
> error log.
>
>
> Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to
> use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
>
> This is the first time I get an error like this and I need to access
> my list ASAP!

Sounds like your web host broke something.  That's who you'd need to
contact to get it resolved.

Oddly enough, it's another cPanel host.  There's apparently no end to
the ways those folks try to make Mailman look bad.  ;-)

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
The law will never make men free; it is men who have got to make the
law free.
    -- Henry David Thoreau

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From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Feb  3 01:33:23 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:33:23 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: RE: Period Mailings;
 Like Birthday Announcements using Mailmail 
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040202183215.081b4dd0@mail.thcwd.com>

nb wrote:
>you can simple write a cron that sends mail to your list announcing the
>birthdays or whatever, but, as Paul Byerly says you can do a script for that
>purpose. It will be more usefull for sure.

      Maybe someone can give me a hint here on my attempt to do this by 
modifying edithtml.py.  I can add files to what that script will edit just 
fine.  Thing is I want to have a separate edit list for each list.  I 
copied and renamed edithtml.py but it's not found by my server, and a pyc 
file is not generated.  I assume I am missing a registration data base 
someplace?

<>< Paul - wondering why his last attempt to send this was incompleat.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Feb  3 01:36:38 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:36:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
In-Reply-To: <002601c3e90a$4a322190$ac81d351@elena>
References: <002601c3e90a$4a322190$ac81d351@elena>
Message-ID: <p06002007bc449d5b37d1@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:28 PM +0100 2004/02/01, Elena Galli wrote:

>  I need to know if it is possible to translate all the contents of
>  the mail and instructions of your program.
>  In fact, i would like to write all the text in Italian.

	See <http://www.list.org/i18n.html>.

	In particular, talk to <pioppo at ferrara.linux.it>, and see their 
local web page at 
<http://liste.ferrara.linux.it/listinfo/mailman-it/>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Feb  3 01:37:56 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:37:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: [SUY-87166]: mailing list errors
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F101I7GVHAlTWR0002f5c9@hotmail.com>
References: <Law9-F101I7GVHAlTWR0002f5c9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06002008bc449db14c06@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:57 PM -0500 2004/02/01, Barbara Martinez wrote:

>  Internal Server Error
>  The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
>  unable to complete your request.

	Sounds like a problem with your web server.  What's in your logs? 
Have you contacted your vendor to see if they can help?
-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Feb  3 01:38:33 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:38:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly  mailings
In-Reply-To: <000801c3e98b$31c8e040$0101c80a@Ross>
References: <000801c3e98b$31c8e040$0101c80a@Ross>
Message-ID: <p06002009bc449deb5991@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:50 PM +0200 2004/02/02, Aryeh Ross wrote:

>  Hi is there a way in mailman to have an automatic monthly mailings?

	Mailman already sends out a monthly mailing.  Anything else can 
be automated through tools like "cron".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Feb  3 01:44:41 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:44:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with cron message from mailman
In-Reply-To: <401E6ECF.1080907@hotmail.com>
References: <401E6ECF.1080907@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200abc449e517189@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:37 AM -0500 2004/02/02, Chason Hayes wrote:

>  I get this message and don't know what to do with it. I have
>  browsed the source code and tracked it down to a lack of a
>  definition of the variable mailman in the Defaults.py file
>  but am not sure what to do about it. I don't run a mailing
>  list on this server. Please help

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp>. 
Note that 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.007.htp> 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp> 
may also be of interest.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From ken at brainstormdesign.net  Tue Feb  3 02:58:57 2004
From: ken at brainstormdesign.net (Ken Adcock)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:58:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing per email
Message-ID: <875C78BA-55EC-11D8-A7AA-000393D6DF68@brainstormdesign.net>

This is probably such a basic question that it didn't make it into the  
documentation. If someone wants to subscribe per email to my list at  
News at palmettomontessori.com what do they write in the email? I tried  
"subscribe" in the subject line, but the admin settings though that the  
person wanted to submit a POST. Can you help?
Ken

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Tel: 843-345-9196
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From allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org  Tue Feb  3 04:25:55 2004
From: allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org (Ako Ito)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 11:25:55 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.4 problem
Message-ID: <007101c3ea05$74b5bf70$72a017ac@asiandevbank.org>

hello gurus,
encountered this problem below in one of my mailing list.. any ideas on how to resolve this?

thanks
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/adb/data/pkg/mailman/2.1.3/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/adb/data/pkg/mailman/2.1.3/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 198, in main
    show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata)
  File "/adb/data/pkg/mailman/2.1.3/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 498, in show_results
    form.AddItem(membership_options(mlist, subcat, cgidata, doc, form))
  File "/adb/data/pkg/mailman/2.1.3/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 870, in membership_options
    all = [_m.encode() for _m in mlist.getMembers()]
UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Python information:
      Variable Value 
      sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)]  
      sys.executable /usr/bin/python  
      sys.prefix /usr  
      sys.exec_prefix /usr  
      sys.path /usr  
      sys.platform linux2  




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Environment variables:
      Variable Value 
      HTTP_REFERER   
      SCRIPT_FILENAME  /adb/data/pkg/mailman/2.1.3/cgi-bin/admin  
      PYTHONPATH  /adb/data/pkg/mailman/2.1.3  
      SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/2.0.48 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.48 OpenSSL/0.9.7b PHP/4.3.4  
      SERVER_ADMIN    
      SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/admin  
      SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/2.0.48 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.48 OpenSSL/0.9.7b PHP/4.3.4 Server at intraweb.asiandevbank.org Port 80 
      REQUEST_METHOD  GET  
      HTTP_HOST    
      PATH_INFO  /waterforallnews/members  
      SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1  
      QUERY_STRING   
      REQUEST_URI  /mailman/admin/waterforallnews/members  
      HTTP_ACCEPT  */*  
      HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)  
      HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive  
      HTTP_COOKIE  watersports+admin=; adbalumni+admin=; homemakers+admin=; swrc+admin=; gis+admin=; waterforallnews+admin=28020000006925141f40732800000064306434613337636262623662323134653837376366376665653134303239333637373562626263  
      SERVER_NAME    
      REMOTE_ADDR   
      REMOTE_PORT  4079  
      HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us  
      PATH_TRANSLATED  /adb/apps/pkg/apache/2.0.48/htdocs/waterforallnews/members  
      SERVER_PORT  80  
      GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1  
      HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate  
      SERVER_ADDR   
      DOCUMENT_ROOT  /adb/apps/pkg/apache/2.0.48/htdocs  



From lists at lastonepicked.com  Tue Feb  3 06:32:31 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:32:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Setting Up 'Announce' Type List
Message-ID: <BC44726F.FAF31%lists@lastonepicked.com>

I have setup a list that I intend to use as an 'announce' list.

I setup the list so that new users are moderated by default.

Personalization is set to 'Yes'.

A 'Sender Filter' is setup to 'Reject' from moderated useres and I have some
text in there to send when they try to post.

My first test sender is set with 'mod' enabled.

When I send a message from that account I do not get the block text sent
back... The message comes through on the account that sent it but none of
the other accounts get the message.

So, that seems wrong.

Also, when I post from an account that is not moderated I see the same
behavior. The message comes through on the account that I sent it from but
the other list members don?t get the message... The archives show as empty.

So, somehow things ain't right.

I'm running 2.1.1

Any advice??

TIA,
Hunter




From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Tue Feb  3 06:54:18 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:54:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dynamic subscriber lists
In-Reply-To: <bvm3sm$l8o$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <bvm3sm$l8o$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20040203055418.GA25087@charite.de>

* Chris Barnes <chris-barnes at tamu.edu>:
 
> I need a MLM that can make an LDAP query and get all of the "faculty",
> then send the message out.  It needs to do this for EVERY message for
> that list.

We do this by generating the lists using a scripts and taking the
output from the DB (we use a M$ DB, but the same can be done using
LDAP, e.g using ldapsearch)

Since the data doesn't change that often, an update cycle of once or
twice a day is ok.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a)   Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de
Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin            Tel.  +49 (0)30-450 570-155
Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin    Fax.  +49 (0)30-450 570-916
Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze -             AIM.  ralfpostfix



From bdienes at capflex.com  Tue Feb  3 07:59:21 2004
From: bdienes at capflex.com (Bruce Dienes)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:59:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up virtual domains -- docs??
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040203025340.02737ec0@localhost>

Hello,

There seems to be no documentation or FAQ as to how to set up one instance of Mailman to work with several virtual domains on a server.

I am trying to set up Mailman 2.1.4 to work with 7 domains on a Slackware Linux box, using qmail. All the domains are owned by the same user, and mailman is set to work under the same user .

I added the virtual domains in the local config file, but I'm not sure where to go from here. Can someone point me to documentation for implementing virtual domains with Mailman?

Thanks!

Bruce




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Feb  3 08:55:24 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 08:55:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up virtual domains -- docs??
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040203025340.02737ec0@localhost>
References: <6.0.1.1.0.20040203025340.02737ec0@localhost>
Message-ID: <p0600200bbc45040bb18d@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:59 AM -0400 2004/02/03, Bruce Dienes wrote:

>  I am trying to set up Mailman 2.1.4 to work with 7 domains on
>  a Slackware Linux box, using qmail. All the domains are owned
>  by the same user, and mailman is set to work under the same
>  user.

	Did you read the README.QMAIL file that comes with Mailman?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Feb  3 12:26:51 2004
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 03 Feb 2004 12:26:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dynamic subscriber lists
In-Reply-To: <20040203055418.GA25087@charite.de>
References: <bvm3sm$l8o$1@sea.gmane.org> <20040203055418.GA25087@charite.de>
Message-ID: <soylent-green-mm-m2fzdsbdz8.fsf@neubauer-cvk.charite.de>

Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de> writes:

> * Chris Barnes <chris-barnes at tamu.edu>:
>  
> > I need a MLM that can make an LDAP query and get all of the "faculty",
> > then send the message out.  It needs to do this for EVERY message for
> > that list.
> 
> We do this by generating the lists using a scripts and taking the
> output from the DB

Since today we do this with sync_mebers. Befor today we does it with
remove_members and add_members. The old method makes the log/subsribe
so big.

It works fine.


Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Detlef Neubauer
-- 
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From Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch  Tue Feb  3 12:33:28 2004
From: Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch (BERTHOLD Jean)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:33:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Memory error when running arch
Message-ID: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB04DFDB@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local>

Hello,

Finally, it was an swap problem.

I made a mistake, my SunFire as only 256 MB RAM ...

I added more swap and now everything work fine !

root at vanuatu # mkfile 2000m /export/home/swapfile
root at vanuatu # swap -a /export/home/swapfile
root at vanuatu # swap -l
swapfile             dev  swaplo blocks   free
/dev/md/dsk/d10     85,10     16 1052624 996112
/export/home/swapfile  -       16 4095984 4095984
root at vanuatu # 

../bin/arch --wipe etrans-echanges
...
...
Updating HTML for article 3849
Updating HTML for article 3850
Pickling archive state into /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges/pipermail.pck


My archive have now this size:

mailman at vanuatu # du -sh etrans*
 766M   etrans-echanges
 204M   etrans-echanges.mbox
mailman at vanuatu # 

Is it too big again ?

Before my purge they had this size:

mailman at vanuatu # du -sh etrans*
 2.4G   etrans-echanges
 652M   etrans-echanges.mbox
mailman at vanuatu # 

:-(

Thanks to all for your help and have a nice day !


Jean



EOS Holding
Jean Berthold
Administrateur Unix & Oracle
Unit Gestion de l'infrastructure
Team Syst mes
Ch. de Mornex 10
Tl. +41(0)21 341 24 58
Fax +41(0)21 341 20 49
jean.berthold <mailto:jean.berthold at eosholding.ch>
 
UNIX is user friendly.
It's just selective about who its friends are.








-----Message d'origine-----
De : Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]
Envoy? : lundi, 2. f?vrier 2004 19:42
? : BERTHOLD Jean
Cc : James.Madill at duke.edu; mailman-users at python.org
Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] Memory error when running arch


Unfortunately the arch program is not optimized for real-world use and
tries to load the whole mbox archive into RAM.  Not a clever thing to
do.  One day we'll have to re-write it so that it is less memory
intensive.  For now you can try using the arbitrary numbering scheme to
run the arch program - and split the task into several smaller ones, or
you can edit your mbox archive and dump some of the earlier emails.

I like to copy off the mbox at the end of the year and start from a
fresh one in January.  I generally have my archives set so that  they do
a monthly grouping.  Once you cross into the new month, there is no
reason to keep the older emails from younger months - just don't delete
the html archives for those months.

Take care - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 05:39, BERTHOLD Jean wrote:
> Hello James,
>  
> On Fri Jul 27 14:51:49 EDT 2001  You posted the message: [Mailman-Users] Memory error when running arch.
>  
> Actually, I have exactly the same problem.
>  
> My OS is Solaris 9 on a Sunblade V100 server with 1 GB RAM.
>  
> Did you receive a response at your problem ?
>  
> Thanks and have a nice day
>  
> 
> Jean Berthold
>  
> EOS Holding
> Jean Berthold
> Administrateur Unix & Oracle
> Unit? Gestion de l'infrastructure
> Team Syst?mes
> Ch. de Mornex 10
> T?l. +41(0)21 341 24 58
> Fax +41(0)21 341 20 49
> jean.berthold <mailto:jean.berthold at eosholding.ch> @eosholding.ch
>  
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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From qralston+ml.mailman-users at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Feb  3 12:37:01 2004
From: qralston+ml.mailman-users at andrew.cmu.edu (James Ralston)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:37:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More on Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <000101c3de48$1aa023e0$543de6ce@DUSTY>
References: <000101c3de48$1aa023e0$543de6ce@DUSTY>
Message-ID: <14100000.1075808221@shieldbreaker.l33tskillz.org>

On 2004-01-18 at 20:52:50-0800 "T. Glen Haggard" <glen at kk7ih.net> wrote:

> Sorry for the multiple post on this.  In researching more it seems
> that Mailman must create an alias in the /etc/aliases file.

The alias entries for the new list must be added to the aliases file.
Mailman doesn't do this.

> If this is so does it run the new aliases program?

Mailman doesn't.

> There are entries in this file from Mailman but nothing about the
> new lists that I created.  This must be why they do not work.

Correct.

> So what is the fix?  How do I make Mailman write to the aliases file
> and run new aliases, if this is needed?  Is there something in
> Mailman that I missed?

You need to either add the necessary alias entries to the aliases file
manually (each time you create or delete a list), or you need to
script something together to do it for you.

(Or you can run Postfix instead of sendmail, but I have no interest in
doing that.)

For my Mailman server, I wrote a script to extract the mailman alias
entries and merge them with my master aliases file.  I run this from
cron every 10 minutes.  Usually, by the time the list owner gets done
fiddling with the config for his new list, the alias file entries have
already been generated.

-- 
James Ralston, Information Technology
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA, USA




From zoltan.arpadffy at essnet.se  Tue Feb  3 13:20:18 2004
From: zoltan.arpadffy at essnet.se (Arpadffy Zoltan)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:20:18 +0100 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Common admin password
Message-ID: <04Feb3.132009cet.119044@fwall.essnet.se>

hello,

I am terribly sorry if I ask trivial questions, but I haven's seen any
solution for my problem so far.

I ran successfully mailman 2.0.x and I decided to upgrade to 2.1.4. Upgrade
went very well and seems it is functional, but I miss very much the common
administrative password. The old one does not work and as a mailman host
admin I lost the possibility to manage/help to list admins without knowing
their passwords.

Is there any possibility to restore or introduce a common admin password
functionality as in 2.0 versions?

Thank you very much in advance.

Best regards, 
Z 



From gebser at speakeasy.net  Tue Feb  3 13:30:33 2004
From: gebser at speakeasy.net (gebser at speakeasy.net)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:30:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to purge correctly old messages ?
In-Reply-To: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB04DFD7@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402030720540.1890-100000@localhost.localdomain>


First, increasing the size of your swap won't solve the problem with vi.  
It needs disk space, probably in your /tmp directory.

If you just want to edit this file without reconfiguring your system for
vi, you could try using emacs.  I use both vi and emacs every day, but
prefer emacs for most things.  Unless you specifically chose not to
install it, emacs should already be installed on your system.  From a
terminal window, just do "emacs [filespec] &".  You don't need to know
the keyboard commands for emacs either.  You can just highlight text 
by dragging the mouse over it, then use menus ("Edit | Cut" and ("File | 
Save Current Buffer") to work on your big file.


hth,
ken


At 15:21 (UTC+0100) on Thu, 29 Jan 2004 BERTHOLD Jean said:

=Hello John,
=
=Thanks for your help, it is exactly what I need !
=
=But:
=mailman at vanuatu # pwd
=/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges.mbox
=mailman at vanuatu # ls -l
=total 1327072
=-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman  679109463 Jan 29 14:40 etrans-echanges.mbox
=mailman at vanuatu # vi etrans-echanges.mbox	
=mailman at vanuatu # vi etrans-echanges.mbox
="etrans-echanges.mbox" Tmp file too large
=    </TimeIntervalQuantities>
=    <TimeIntervalQuantities>
=      <QuantityTimeInterval value="2003-06-16T17:00:00Z/2003-06-16T18:00:00Z" />
=      <Quantity value="0.0" />
=    </TimeIntervalQuantities>
=    <TimeIntervalQuantities>
=      <QuantityTimeInterval value="2003-06-16T18:00:00Z/2003-06-16T19:00:00Z" />
=      <Quantity value="0.0" />
=    </TimeIntervalQuantities>
=    <TimeIntervalQuantities>
=      <QuantityTimeInterval value="2003-06-16T19:00:00Z/2003-06-16T20:00:00Z" />
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=
= Tmp file too large
=:
=
=I tried to add more swap, but unsuccesfully ...
=
=
=root at vanuatu # mkfile 1000M /export/swapfile
=root at vanuatu # swap -a /export/swapfile
=root at vanuatu # swap -l
=swapfile             dev  swaplo blocks   free
=/dev/md/dsk/d10     85,10     16 1052624 1045120
=/export/swapfile      -       16 2047984 2047984
=root at vanuatu # 
=
=Result was the same as previous:
=
= Tmp file too large
=
=One more question:
=------------------
=
=how to edit this big file ?
=
=mailman at vanuatu # pwd
=/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges.mbox
=mailman at vanuatu # du -sh *.mbox
= 648M   etrans-echanges.mbox
=mailman at vanuatu # 
=
=
=Thanks again for your help
=
=
=Jean
=
=
=
=
=-----Message d'origine-----
=De : John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
=Envoy? : jeudi, 29. janvier 2004 14:41
=? : BERTHOLD Jean
=Cc : mailman-users at python.org
=Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] How to purge correctly old messages ?
=
=
=Jean,
=
=BERTHOLD Jean wrote:
=> root at vanuatu # pwd
=> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private
=> root at vanuatu # 
=> root at vanuatu # du -sh etrans*
=>  2.4G   etrans-echanges
=>  645M   etrans-echanges.mbox
=>...
=> -- How to remove the oldest messages correctly ?
=
=The recommended method to reduce or change your archive is to edit the 
=file .../private/etrans-echanges.mbox/etrans-echanges.mbox and remove 
=the older messages from the file.
=
=Once you have done this, you can run
=   /usr/local/mailman/bin/arch --wipe etrans-echange
=
=You can also try and figure out which message in the mbox file you want 
=to start archiving (instead of deleting them from the file) and run
=
=  .../bin/arch --start=N --wipe etrans-echange
=
=At least this should get you started.
=
=




From kmccann at bellanet.org  Tue Feb  3 13:53:51 2004
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:53:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More on Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <14100000.1075808221@shieldbreaker.l33tskillz.org>
References: <000101c3de48$1aa023e0$543de6ce@DUSTY>
	<14100000.1075808221@shieldbreaker.l33tskillz.org>
Message-ID: <401F99DF.1000400@bellanet.org>


>For my Mailman server, I wrote a script to extract the mailman alias
>entries and merge them with my master aliases file.  I run this from
>cron every 10 minutes.  Usually, by the time the list owner gets done
>fiddling with the config for his new list, the alias file entries have
>already been generated.
>  
>
I did things a bit different. I configured sendmail to use two alias 
files: etc/aliases and /etc/mm_aliases (the latter being for  Mailman 
aliases only). No merging necessary. My script appends to mm_aliases and 
executes newaliases thereafter. If you wish, you can configure 
sendmail's alias file option in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc. The line is here:

define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases,/etc/mm_aliases')dnl

- Kevin







From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Feb  3 13:32:54 2004
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 03 Feb 2004 13:32:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Common admin password
In-Reply-To: <04Feb3.132009cet.119044@fwall.essnet.se>
References: <04Feb3.132009cet.119044@fwall.essnet.se>
Message-ID: <soylent-green-mm-m2brogbax5.fsf@neubauer-cvk.charite.de>

Arpadffy Zoltan <zoltan.arpadffy at essnet.se> writes:

> I ran successfully mailman 2.0.x and I decided to upgrade to 2.1.4. Upgrade
> went very well and seems it is functional, but I miss very much the common
> administrative password. The old one does not work and as a mailman host
> admin I lost the possibility to manage/help to list admins without knowing
> their passwords.

The behavoir is the same.

> Is there any possibility to restore or introduce a common admin password
> functionality as in 2.0 versions?

Log in as user mailman and use mmsitepass to set your mainpassword.


Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Detlef Neubauer
-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From ac-pilot at netpath.net  Tue Feb  3 13:39:24 2004
From: ac-pilot at netpath.net (Roger D Medlin)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:39:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 17, Issue 3
References: <E1AnhSu-0002x7-4U@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <005e01c3ea52$c324e9e0$30c06bd1@roger>

I can't seen to open the attachment you are tying to send
Please advisee

Major Roger Medlin
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailman-users-request at python.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 12:02 PM
Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 17, Issue 3


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>    3. message disappeared (Rick Pasotto)
>    4. Newlist for virtual host (John Poltorak)
>    5. Memory error when running arch (BERTHOLD Jean)
>    6. SOLVED: How to purge correctly old messages ? (BERTHOLD Jean)
>    7. Re: Newlist for virtual host (Dirk F?rsterling)
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From zoltan.arpadffy at essnet.se  Tue Feb  3 13:47:37 2004
From: zoltan.arpadffy at essnet.se (Arpadffy Zoltan)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:47:37 +0100 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Common admin password
Message-ID: <04Feb3.134729cet.119178@fwall.essnet.se>

Detlef,

thank you very much. mmsitepass works.

Regards, 
Z




From Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch  Tue Feb  3 14:01:05 2004
From: Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch (BERTHOLD Jean)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:01:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to purge correctly old messages ?
Message-ID: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB04DFDC@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local>

Yes, you are right ...

at first I tried to add swap
After that I tried to modify vi settings: set directory=/another_dir

it was not sufficient ...

Finally I used the split command:

split -b 25m file.mbox

result file1 file2 file3 ...

edit files to delete old emails

cat file1 filefile3 > new.mbox

and run arch command on this new.mbox file
Now, everything work fine !

Question: I tried to split my big mbox file into 50 MB file and 50 MB was too large
(even with set directory=/big_space_directory)

Is it an vi limit or an system limit ?


Thanks and have a nice day !

Jean


-----Message d'origine-----
De : gebser at speakeasy.net [mailto:gebser at speakeasy.net]
Envoy? : mardi, 3. f?vrier 2004 13:31
? : mailman-users at python.org
Objet : RE: [Mailman-Users] How to purge correctly old messages ?



First, increasing the size of your swap won't solve the problem with vi.  
It needs disk space, probably in your /tmp directory.

If you just want to edit this file without reconfiguring your system for
vi, you could try using emacs.  I use both vi and emacs every day, but
prefer emacs for most things.  Unless you specifically chose not to
install it, emacs should already be installed on your system.  From a
terminal window, just do "emacs [filespec] &".  You don't need to know
the keyboard commands for emacs either.  You can just highlight text 
by dragging the mouse over it, then use menus ("Edit | Cut" and ("File | 
Save Current Buffer") to work on your big file.


hth,
ken


At 15:21 (UTC+0100) on Thu, 29 Jan 2004 BERTHOLD Jean said:

=Hello John,
=
=Thanks for your help, it is exactly what I need !
=
=But:
=mailman at vanuatu # pwd
=/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges.mbox
=mailman at vanuatu # ls -l
=total 1327072
=-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman  679109463 Jan 29 14:40 etrans-echanges.mbox
=mailman at vanuatu # vi etrans-echanges.mbox	
=mailman at vanuatu # vi etrans-echanges.mbox
="etrans-echanges.mbox" Tmp file too large
=    </TimeIntervalQuantities>
=    <TimeIntervalQuantities>
=      <QuantityTimeInterval value="2003-06-16T17:00:00Z/2003-06-16T18:00:00Z" />
=      <Quantity value="0.0" />
=    </TimeIntervalQuantities>
=    <TimeIntervalQuantities>
=      <QuantityTimeInterval value="2003-06-16T18:00:00Z/2003-06-16T19:00:00Z" />
=      <Quantity value="0.0" />
=    </TimeIntervalQuantities>
=    <TimeIntervalQuantities>
=      <QuantityTimeInterval value="2003-06-16T19:00:00Z/2003-06-16T20:00:00Z" />
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=~
=
= Tmp file too large
=:
=
=I tried to add more swap, but unsuccesfully ...
=
=
=root at vanuatu # mkfile 1000M /export/swapfile
=root at vanuatu # swap -a /export/swapfile
=root at vanuatu # swap -l
=swapfile             dev  swaplo blocks   free
=/dev/md/dsk/d10     85,10     16 1052624 1045120
=/export/swapfile      -       16 2047984 2047984
=root at vanuatu # 
=
=Result was the same as previous:
=
= Tmp file too large
=
=One more question:
=------------------
=
=how to edit this big file ?
=
=mailman at vanuatu # pwd
=/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges.mbox
=mailman at vanuatu # du -sh *.mbox
= 648M   etrans-echanges.mbox
=mailman at vanuatu # 
=
=
=Thanks again for your help
=
=
=Jean
=
=
=
=
=-----Message d'origine-----
=De : John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
=Envoy? : jeudi, 29. janvier 2004 14:41
=? : BERTHOLD Jean
=Cc : mailman-users at python.org
=Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] How to purge correctly old messages ?
=
=
=Jean,
=
=BERTHOLD Jean wrote:
=> root at vanuatu # pwd
=> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private
=> root at vanuatu # 
=> root at vanuatu # du -sh etrans*
=>  2.4G   etrans-echanges
=>  645M   etrans-echanges.mbox
=>...
=> -- How to remove the oldest messages correctly ?
=
=The recommended method to reduce or change your archive is to edit the 
=file .../private/etrans-echanges.mbox/etrans-echanges.mbox and remove 
=the older messages from the file.
=
=Once you have done this, you can run
=   /usr/local/mailman/bin/arch --wipe etrans-echange
=
=You can also try and figure out which message in the mbox file you want 
=to start archiving (instead of deleting them from the file) and run
=
=  .../bin/arch --start=N --wipe etrans-echange
=
=At least this should get you started.
=
=


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From CrumeMichaelW at uams.edu  Tue Feb  3 14:08:20 2004
From: CrumeMichaelW at uams.edu (Crume, Michael W)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:08:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail problem
Message-ID: <DD00D78D82B00B44BA646EEA0C72E6E6760D5C@EXCHANGE3.ad.uams.edu>

I am new to mailman and to UNIX so forgive any stupidity here.  I have
set up mailman to run several Listserv's.  I created a new list called
"test" to learn with.  It seemed to go well, I am able to created the
list and to set it up via the web.  It will mail me a confirmation of
the created list and send me a link back to it.  However, when I have
had several people try to subscribe and send a message to the list.
They can subscribe and they get a confirmation, but then cannot send to
the list.  Can someone tell me what I need to check to cure the problem.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Michael W. Crume

Systems Analyst III

UAMS Library - Technical Services

(501) 686-8822

crumemichaelw at uams.edu

 



From sysadmin at fleetone.com  Tue Feb  3 14:14:42 2004
From: sysadmin at fleetone.com (Rob)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:14:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail problem
References: <DD00D78D82B00B44BA646EEA0C72E6E6760D5C@EXCHANGE3.ad.uams.edu>
Message-ID: <005601c3ea57$af904d70$45a610ac@fleetone.com>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Crume, Michael W" <CrumeMichaelW at uams.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:08 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail problem


I am new to mailman and to UNIX so forgive any stupidity here.  I have
set up mailman to run several Listserv's.  I created a new list called
"test" to learn with.  It seemed to go well, I am able to created the
list and to set it up via the web.  It will mail me a confirmation of
the created list and send me a link back to it.  However, when I have
had several people try to subscribe and send a message to the list.
They can subscribe and they get a confirmation, but then cannot send to
the list.  Can someone tell me what I need to check to cure the problem.



Thanks in advance.



Michael W. Crume

Systems Analyst III

UAMS Library - Technical Services

(501) 686-8822

crumemichaelw at uams.edu


You need to add the list information to the alais file in order for it to
work.  When you create a new list, it shows you the information needed.

Rob


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From gaf at blu.org  Tue Feb  3 14:19:09 2004
From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 08:19:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail problem
In-Reply-To: <DD00D78D82B00B44BA646EEA0C72E6E6760D5C@EXCHANGE3.ad.uams.edu>
References: <DD00D78D82B00B44BA646EEA0C72E6E6760D5C@EXCHANGE3.ad.uams.edu>
Message-ID: <20040203081909.62a753ca@gaf.gaf.net>

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On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:08:20 -0600
"Crume, Michael W" <CrumeMichaelW at uams.edu> wrote:

> I am new to mailman and to UNIX so forgive any stupidity here.  I have
> set up mailman to run several Listserv's.  I created a new list called
> "test" to learn with.  It seemed to go well, I am able to created the
> list and to set it up via the web.  It will mail me a confirmation of
> the created list and send me a link back to it.  However, when I have
> had several people try to subscribe and send a message to the list.
> They can subscribe and they get a confirmation, but then cannot send
> to the list.  Can someone tell me what I need to check to cure the
> problem.
Did you set up the aliases correctly? What MTA are you using. The format
of the aliases for Sendmail and for Postfix are slightly different, and
for postfix, you must remove the colons (:). Other than that they are
the same. 

You can also look at your MTA logs to help determine what the problem
is. The mail log is in /var/log, and depending on your distribution or
Unix variant, it may be a bit different, but it will have a log of every
message recevied and sent by your system.

- -- 
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Boston Linux and Unix user group
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From simon at caperet.com  Tue Feb  3 14:23:39 2004
From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:23:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail problem
In-Reply-To: <20040203081909.62a753ca@gaf.gaf.net>
References: <DD00D78D82B00B44BA646EEA0C72E6E6760D5C@EXCHANGE3.ad.uams.edu>
	<20040203081909.62a753ca@gaf.gaf.net>
Message-ID: <20040203132338.GO5422@mediadev.com>

03-Feb-04 at 08:19, Jerry Feldman (gaf at blu.org) wrote :
> Did you set up the aliases correctly? What MTA are you using. The format
> of the aliases for Sendmail and for Postfix are slightly different, and
> for postfix, you must remove the colons (:). Other than that they are
> the same. 

>From the Postfix aliases man page

  "The input and output file formats are expected to be compatible with
  Sendmail version 8, and are expected to be suitable for the use as NIS
  maps."

... and later ...

  ? An alias definition has the form

        name: value1, value2, ...
			  

So you don't need to remove the colons at all. Indeed, the format is not
different at all. Unless, of course, Postfix has changed file format in
the last few months (Ralf, you still reading Postfix-Users? Has the
alias format changed?).

Regards,

-- 
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email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access
     Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team.



From brian at oneparkplace.com  Tue Feb  3 14:28:46 2004
From: brian at oneparkplace.com (Brian Haines)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 08:28:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More on Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <401F99DF.1000400@bellanet.org>
Message-ID: <004301c3ea59$a7493e90$0a01a8c0@brian2600>

Newbie Alert!!!

I just installed Mailman 2.1.4 and created a new list via the Web based
interface. This is a nice feature, but it does not give you the aliases to
create like the command line does. It says it sent them via e-mail, but the
email that was sent did not include the needed aliases.

I am on Redhat with Sendmail and Python 2.3.3.

Is there something wrong with my installation, or is this known behavior of
the program?

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=oneparkplace.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+brian=oneparkplace.com at python.org] On Behalf
Of Kevin McCann
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:54 AM
To: James Ralston
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] More on Sendmail



>For my Mailman server, I wrote a script to extract the mailman alias 
>entries and merge them with my master aliases file.  I run this from 
>cron every 10 minutes.  Usually, by the time the list owner gets done 
>fiddling with the config for his new list, the alias file entries have 
>already been generated.
>  
>
I did things a bit different. I configured sendmail to use two alias 
files: etc/aliases and /etc/mm_aliases (the latter being for  Mailman 
aliases only). No merging necessary. My script appends to mm_aliases and 
executes newaliases thereafter. If you wish, you can configure 
sendmail's alias file option in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc. The line is here:

define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases,/etc/mm_aliases')dnl

- Kevin





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From mike at openconcept.ca  Tue Feb  3 14:44:01 2004
From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:44:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems seeing pipermail archive.
In-Reply-To: <E1AP5I8-0006Dd-Hl@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AP5I8-0006Dd-Hl@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1075815841.1365.31.camel@office.openconcept.ca>

Hello,

I'm confused by why the pipermail archive directories aren't being set
up..  I checked for an error here:
	/var/log/mailman

The rest of the script seems to be running fine, just no archives

[root at www cron]# ls -la /usr/share/mailman/archives/public/
total 8
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Jan 28 12:30 .
drwxrwsr-x    4 root     mailman      4096 Jan 16 08:23 ..
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     mailman        43 Jan 28 12:22 support ->
/usr/share/mailman/archives/private/support
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     mailman        48 Jan 28 12:22 support.mbox ->
/usr/share/mailman/archives/private/support.mbox
[root at www cron]# ls -la /usr/share/mailman/archives/private
total 20
drwxrwsr-x    5 root     mailman      4096 Feb  2 07:06 .
drwxrwsr-x    4 root     mailman      4096 Jan 16 08:23 ..
drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb  3 03:27 1pe04
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Feb  2 07:06 1pe04.mbox
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Jan 28 12:22 support.mbox

any suggestions on why the directories aren't being set up or how to fix
this situation?

Mike
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From zoltan.arpadffy at essnet.se  Tue Feb  3 15:30:04 2004
From: zoltan.arpadffy at essnet.se (Arpadffy Zoltan)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:30:04 +0100 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list creators password and aliases problem
Message-ID: <04Feb3.152956cet.119178@fwall.essnet.se>

hello,

I have two questions:

1.  how to set list creators password (version 2.1.4) in order to use cgi
interface for list creation?

2. is there any substitution/workaround for old 2.0 versions newlist option
-o /etc/aliases that inserted automatically required aliases into aliases
file?

Seems 2.1.4 does not have this option... moreover it prints lot of
information massages that do not allow direct redirection of the output to
/etc/aliases file.


Thank you in advance.

Regards, 
Z





From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Feb  3 16:16:22 2004
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 03 Feb 2004 16:16:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list creators password and aliases problem
In-Reply-To: <04Feb3.152956cet.119178@fwall.essnet.se>
References: <04Feb3.152956cet.119178@fwall.essnet.se>
Message-ID: <soylent-green-mm-m28yjk9os9.fsf@neubauer-cvk.charite.de>

Arpadffy Zoltan <zoltan.arpadffy at essnet.se> writes:

> 1.  how to set list creators password (version 2.1.4) in order to use cgi
> interface for list creation?

mmsitepass

> 2. is there any substitution/workaround for old 2.0 versions newlist option
> -o /etc/aliases that inserted automatically required aliases into aliases
> file?
>
> Seems 2.1.4 does not have this option... moreover it prints lot of
> information massages that do not allow direct redirection of the output to
> /etc/aliases file.

Mailman does it automaticaly in $MAILMANHOME/data/aliases.


Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Detlef Neubauer
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From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Tue Feb  3 16:24:17 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:24:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Dynamic subscriber lists
References: <bvm3sm$l8o$1@sea.gmane.org> <20040203055418.GA25087@charite.de>
	<soylent-green-mm-m2fzdsbdz8.fsf@neubauer-cvk.charite.de>
Message-ID: <bvoeis$gjk$1@sea.gmane.org>

Detlef Neubauer <detlef.neubauer at charite.de> wrote:
> Since today we do this with sync_mebers. Befor today we does it with
> remove_members and add_members. The old method makes the log/subsribe
> so big.

I think the sync_members option will do well enough for what we want.
Thanks for all the replies (I'll likely be back with others.... )


--?

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Texas A&M University






From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Tue Feb  3 16:35:31 2004
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:35:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with cron message from mailman
In-Reply-To: <401E6ECF.1080907@hotmail.com>
References: <401E6ECF.1080907@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <401FBFC3.10603@mitre.org>

Chason,

Just curious - why are you running Mailman if you aren't running any 
mailing lists?

Chason Hayes wrote:

> I don't run a mailing list on this server. Please help

-- 

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Feb  3 18:46:50 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Feb 2004 12:46:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dynamic subscriber lists
In-Reply-To: <20040202184721.GB2215@mediadev.com>
References: <bvm3sm$l8o$1@sea.gmane.org> <20040202184721.GB2215@mediadev.com>
Message-ID: <1075830410.7884.32.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 13:47, Simon White wrote:
> 02-Feb-04 at 12:09, Chris Barnes (chris-barnes at tamu.edu) wrote :
> > This is a repost of a question I asked last week.  NOBODY replied - even
> > just to say "can't be done".
> 
> Maybe nobody has a setup like that already, so they have nothing to say.
> "Can't be done" is usually a phrase in the open source world that would
> never be said. Nothing is impossible with source open for you, you could
> even interface Mailman to your toaster. Not out of the box though :-)
> 
> > I need a MLM that can make an LDAP query and get all of the "faculty",
> > then send the message out.  It needs to do this for EVERY message for
> > that list.
> 
> AFAIK, the Mailman subscribers are stored in an internal database. In
> order to get something working you'd probably have to hack your own
> Python code. I might be wrong about that, but it can't be too hard to
> get LDAP and Python working together.
> 
> I don't know where the dev is going where using an LDAP or SQL DB to
> keep data is concerned. Apparently Sympa has an SQL backend which may or
> may not be easier to hack.
> 
> Otherwise you can use the tools add_members and sync_members to keep a
> sync between an external LDAP query tool in any language and the Mailman
> DB. Getting query output to look like a plain text list of email
> addresses to STDOUT shouldn't be too hard.
> 
> Without making some provision yourself for some kind of hacking, it
> can't directly be done with Mailman, or with any other tools that I can
> think of 'off the shelf'. You might get away with just an MTA with LDAP
> and some kind of group aliasing hack (? la Postfix+LDAP aliases) too,
> that depends on your list management requirements.
> 
> The difficulty with Mailman or any other mailing list tool is that
> subscribes and unsubscribes have to be intelligently handled, so you'd
> have to add flags (unsubscribe) to your LDAP queries, etc. If you don't
> need to worry so much about subscriptions, because you're sending bulk
> announcements in an education or corporate environment, then you don't
> need all the complexity of Mailman, (digests, unsubscribes and
> moderation + bounce processing to name the main ones off the top of my
> head). You just need aliases to groups determined, most probably, by a
> single LDAP query, see my comment about LDAP and Postfix for example.
> 
> Regards,

Well answered!

If you are up for a bit of hacking, you might even think about
converting Mailman's sync_members into ldap_sync_members.  The code
hacks would actually be fairly minor.  Triggering it's running would be
up to you.  I would think an hourly cron job would do the trick nicely.

Good Luck, and do let us know what you do - Jon Carnes




From cprice at its.to  Tue Feb  3 18:58:24 2004
From: cprice at its.to (cprice at its.to)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:58:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error running change_pw
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402031056440.9009-100000@stubbed.its.to>


	I get the following error when I run change_pw

  File "./change_pw", line 90
    print >> fd, _(__doc__)
           ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

	I am unsure as to which version of mailman I have installed. 
I also looked at upgrading to the most recent version, but my Redhat 7.3 
system has a python interpeter that is to old.

	TIA,

	Chris




From jsingh at fdu.edu  Tue Feb  3 20:48:51 2004
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:48:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanctl 
Message-ID: <003c01c3ea8e$c2e44020$7d0bee84@FDUJACK>

Hi

 I just installed mailman-2.1.3 on a solaris 9 box and when I go to run
mailmanctl start I get the following errors 

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 77, in ?

    from Mailman.i18n import _

  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 18, in ?

    import time

ImportError: No module named time

 

I started python from the command line and said help(time) and the module
help loaded for time. I did not see and permission issues since the

/usr/local/lib/python2.2 were set to 755. What am I missing ?

Thanks

jack

 

 

Jaskaran Singh

University Systems & Security

Fairleigh Dickinson University

1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01

Teaneck, NJ 07666

 



From mburkett at kmvtechnologies.com  Tue Feb  3 20:58:54 2004
From: mburkett at kmvtechnologies.com (Mike Burkett)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:58:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Permissions on /var/lib/mailman/logs files...
Message-ID: <CAB10B66157A3A4184EDA545FE5228151DD953@kmvaus01.austin.kmvtechnologies.com>

I've just upgraded to V2.1.4 and am having some problems with file
permissions on the /var/lib/mailman/logs files.

 

Something keeps resetting the permissions to 0600 and then the web
interface dies with the info below.

 

I have a temporary workaround by adding a cron job to reset the perms to
02775 and the owner to mail.mail every 1 minute... but really would like
a cleaner solution.

 

Any suggestions? I did try to find this in the FAQs but was
unsuccessful...

 

 


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4


We're sorry, we hit a bug!


If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 


Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in
__init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in
__init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f
    1)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 566, in open
    file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'
 
 
  _____  


Python information:


Variable

Value


sys.version

2.3 (#2, Aug 31 2003, 17:27:29) [GCC 3.3.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.2
3.3.1-1mdk)] 


sys.executable

/usr/bin/python 


sys.prefix

/usr 


sys.exec_prefix

/usr 


sys.path

/usr 


sys.platform

linux2 

  _____  


Environment variables:


Variable

Value


HTTP_REFERER 

http://www.vidgizmo.com/mailman/admin/announce 


SERVER_SOFTWARE 

Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/1.3.28 (Mandrake Linux/3.1.92mdk)
mod_ssl/2.8.15 OpenSSL/0.9.7b 


SCRIPT_NAME 

/mailman/admin 


SERVER_SIGNATURE 

Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/1.3.28 Server at vidgizmo.com Port 80

REQUEST_METHOD 

POST 


PATH_INFO 

/announce 


SERVER_PROTOCOL 

HTTP/1.1 


QUERY_STRING 

 


CONTENT_LENGTH 

16 


HTTP_USER_AGENT 

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705;
.NET CLR 1.1.4322) 


HTTP_CONNECTION 

Keep-Alive 


HTTP_COOKIE 

announce+admin=280200000069f0fa1f407328000000373337643337346266343035313
13864303932643330343566343663313832323034636163623065 


SERVER_NAME 

vidgizmo.com 


REMOTE_ADDR 

209.198.134.17 


PATH_TRANSLATED 

/var/www/html/announce 


SERVER_PORT 

80 


SERVER_ADDR 

24.28.91.227 


DOCUMENT_ROOT 

/var/www/html 


PYTHONPATH 

/usr/lib/mailman 


SCRIPT_FILENAME 

/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admin 


SERVER_ADMIN 

root at localhost 


HTTP_HOST 

www.vidgizmo.com 


HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL 

no-cache 


REQUEST_URI 

/mailman/admin/announce 


HTTP_ACCEPT 

*/* 


GATEWAY_INTERFACE 

CGI/1.1 


REMOTE_PORT 

54115 


HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 

en-us 


CONTENT_TYPE 

application/x-www-form-urlencoded 


HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 

gzip, deflate 

 



From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Feb  3 20:58:53 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:58:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Annoying auto-response to everything sent to this
	list
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040203135833.081ee9e8@mail.themarriagebed.com>

      I am sure everyone who submits to this list is getting a blank e-mail 
from lrz-muenchen.de following each post.  Relevant headers below:


X-ClientAddr: 129.187.254.102
Received: from mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de (mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de 
[129.187.254.102])
         by svr01.thcwd.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i139cx118551
         for <paul at thcwd.com>; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:39:00 -0600
Received: by mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de for paul at thcwd.com; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 
10:38:35 +0100
Message-Id: <iss.1166.401f6c1a.f18ff.1 at mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de>
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:38:35 +0100
From: postmaster at lrz-muenchen.de
To: Paul H Byerly <paul at thcwd.com>
Subject: re: [Mailman-Users] Re: RE: Period Mailings;Like Birthday 
Announcements using Mailmail
Status:

<>< Paul




From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Feb  3 21:06:34 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:06:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: subscribing per email
In-Reply-To: <E1Anyl4-0001Vs-Th@mail.python.org>
References: <E1Anyl4-0001Vs-Th@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040203133937.0820ca20@mail.thcwd.com>

Ken Adcock wrote:
>This is probably such a basic question that it didn't make it into the
>documentation. If someone wants to subscribe per email to my list at
>News at palmettomontessori.com what do they write in the email? I tried
>"subscribe" in the subject line, but the admin settings though that the
>person wanted to submit a POST. Can you help?
>Ken

      No command needed, but you have to use the right address.  Try:
News-subscribe at palmettomontessori.com
News-unsubscribe at palmettomontessori.com

      A confirmation e-mail will be sent in both cases.

<>< Paul



From barry at python.org  Tue Feb  3 21:08:27 2004
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:08:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-i18n] Corrupted foreign fonts.
In-Reply-To: <401D0FFB.3979.2D74A7@localhost>
References: <401D0FFB.3979.2D74A7@localhost>
Message-ID: <1075838906.482.71.camel@anthem>

On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 08:40, Andrzej Kasperowicz wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> In monthly reminders send by mailman in Polish, Polish fonts are 
> corrupted. Code page in the header of the message is correct i.e. iso-
> 8859-2, but instead of Polish fonts there are only some numbers displayed 
> as can be seen there:
> http://znik.wbc.lublin.pl/~ak/rozne/bad_PL_fonts.gif
> 
> What should be done to fix it?

Bartosz Sawicki is the primary Polish language champion, although as you
can see on http://www.list.org/i18n.html there are other volunteers
too.  Please contact them with any corrections to the Polish translation
files.

Thanks,
-Barry





From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Tue Feb  3 10:04:43 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:04:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with cron message from mailman
References: <401E6ECF.1080907@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <alm.20040203100445.16833@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

Chason Hayes schrieb:

> I get this message and don't know what to do with it. 

Read the installation instructions.

Read the FAQ.

-thh




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue Feb  3 21:44:57 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:44:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Permissions on /var/lib/mailman/logs files...
In-Reply-To: <CAB10B66157A3A4184EDA545FE5228151DD953@kmvaus01.austin.kmvtechnologies.com>
References: <CAB10B66157A3A4184EDA545FE5228151DD953@kmvaus01.austin.kmvtechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <20040203204457.GC3731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Mike Burkett wrote:
> I've just upgraded to V2.1.4 and am having some problems with file
> permissions on the /var/lib/mailman/logs files.
[...]
> Something keeps resetting the permissions to 0600 and then the web
> interface dies with the info below.
[...]
> Any suggestions? I did try to find this in the FAQs but was
> unsuccessful...
[...]
> sys.version
>
> 2.3 (#2, Aug 31 2003, 17:27:29) [GCC 3.3.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.2
> 3.3.1-1mdk)] 

I think you've got a mandrake specific issue here.  They have some
program that tightens up permissions regularly.  I don't use mandrake
so I can't help much with how to tweak it to not tighten up the
permissions on the mailman log dir so much.  Hopefully I'm on the
right track here.  It's surely nothing mailman specific that's
changing your permissions. 

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
An election is coming. Universal peace is declared and the foxes have
a sincere interest in prolonging the lives of the poultry.
    -- T.S. Eliot

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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Feb  3 21:51:11 2004
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:51:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error running change_pw
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402031056440.9009-100000@stubbed.its.to>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402031056440.9009-100000@stubbed.its.to>
Message-ID: <16416.2495.296142.549992@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Chris>      I get the following error when I run change_pw

    Chris>   File "./change_pw", line 90
    Chris>     print >> fd, _(__doc__)
    Chris>            ^
    Chris> SyntaxError: invalid syntax

    Chris> I am unsure as to which version of mailman I have installed.  I
    Chris> also looked at upgrading to the most recent version, but my
    Chris> Redhat 7.3 system has a python interpeter that is to old.

Looks that way.  RH 7.3 comes with Python 1.5.2 which definitely doesn't
have the print >> fd gimmick.  I believe Mailman needs at least 2.1.  Just
download the Python 2.3.3 tarfile, extract it and execute

    ./configure
    make
    make install

from the toplevel directory of the distribution.  (The last step will
probably need to be run as root.)

I think you'll need to reinstall Mailman after that with something like

    export PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH
    make clean
    ./configure
    make
    make install

I think that will get the #! lines adjusted to refer to
/usr/local/bin/python instead of /usr/bin/python.

-- 
Skip Montanaro
Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/submit.html
Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/
skip at pobox.com



From PNIXON at ci.somerville.ma.us  Tue Feb  3 22:01:06 2004
From: PNIXON at ci.somerville.ma.us (PNIXON at ci.somerville.ma.us)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:01:06 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] To Domain Is Wrong
Message-ID: <313EB7592143D411AF5800B0D03D04D4D82994@geezil.somerville.ma.us>

Hello,
 I've setup a list server inside my dmz, and I want all the emails to
appears to be coming from lists.somerville.ma.us, but they keep showing up
in the To and From Headers as from rosie.somerville.ma.us

rosie.somerville.ma.us is the actual hostname for the box.

Any suggestions or things I should check?

Thanks for all your help!

--Pat



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue Feb  3 22:15:59 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:15:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error running change_pw
In-Reply-To: <16416.2495.296142.549992@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402031056440.9009-100000@stubbed.its.to>
	<16416.2495.296142.549992@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20040203211559.GE3731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Skip Montanaro wrote:
>     Chris>      I get the following error when I run change_pw
> 
>     Chris>   File "./change_pw", line 90
>     Chris>     print >> fd, _(__doc__)
>     Chris>            ^
>     Chris> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
> 
>     Chris> I am unsure as to which version of mailman I have installed.  I
>     Chris> also looked at upgrading to the most recent version, but my
>     Chris> Redhat 7.3 system has a python interpeter that is to old.
> 
> Looks that way.  RH 7.3 comes with Python 1.5.2 which definitely doesn't
> have the print >> fd gimmick.  I believe Mailman needs at least 2.1.  Just
> download the Python 2.3.3 tarfile, extract it and execute

That's not really a bad idea, but you could also just install the
python2 (and associated -devel package) from the RH 7.3 distro.

$ cat /etc/redhat-release; rpm -q python python2
Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla)
python-1.5.2-43.73
python2-2.2.2-11.7.3

Then you can install mailman 2.1, just passing the --python option to
point at the python2 binary.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
People who make history know nothing about history. You can see that
in the sort of history they make.
    -- G. K. Chesterton

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From eric at wowpages.com  Tue Feb  3 22:17:23 2004
From: eric at wowpages.com (Eric Pridham)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:17:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail problem
In-Reply-To: <DD00D78D82B00B44BA646EEA0C72E6E6760D5C@EXCHANGE3.ad.uams.edu>
References: <DD00D78D82B00B44BA646EEA0C72E6E6760D5C@EXCHANGE3.ad.uams.edu>
Message-ID: <40200FE3.8020708@wowpages.com>

You might also want to check the moderation flags.  First go to see if 
there are any pending moderator requests for the list in the backend. 
If you see those test emails in there, then check to see if you have 
default_member_moderation set to Yes (Privacy->Sender Filters).

Crume, Michael W wrote:

> I am new to mailman and to UNIX so forgive any stupidity here.  I have
> set up mailman to run several Listserv's.  I created a new list called
> "test" to learn with.  It seemed to go well, I am able to created the
> list and to set it up via the web.  It will mail me a confirmation of
> the created list and send me a link back to it.  However, when I have
> had several people try to subscribe and send a message to the list.
> They can subscribe and they get a confirmation, but then cannot send to
> the list.  Can someone tell me what I need to check to cure the problem.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
>  
> 
> Michael W. Crume
> 
> Systems Analyst III
> 
> UAMS Library - Technical Services
> 
> (501) 686-8822
> 
> crumemichaelw at uams.edu
> 
>  
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: eric at wowpages.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/eric%40wowpages.com



From jp at warpix.org  Tue Feb  3 22:33:53 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:33:53 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe problem
Message-ID: <20040203213353.T81@warpix.org>



I get the following error when trying to subscribe to a newly created 
list:-


   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe g-force"
    (reason: 1)
    (expanded from: <g-force-subscribe at xxxxxxxxxxxx.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/subscribe", line 61, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/subscribe", line 56, in main
    cmdq.enqueue(sys.stdin.read(), listname=listname, tojoin=1, _plaintext=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 128, in enqueue
    msgfp = open(msgfile, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/commands/1075843519.898313+0dfad8dfcd27562bfe10ca4bf4eff0ecaffc50ee.msg'


554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1





Can anyone suggest what is wrong? I suspect it has something to do with 
permissions, but I don't know how to confirm that. 


-- 
John





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Feb  3 22:08:49 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Feb 2004 16:08:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Permissions on /var/lib/mailman/logs files...
In-Reply-To: <20040203204457.GC3731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <CAB10B66157A3A4184EDA545FE5228151DD953@kmvaus01.austin.kmvtechnologies.com>
	<20040203204457.GC3731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <1075842528.7884.88.camel@localhost.localdomain>

What level is your MSec set to? It could definitely be doing this.
http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/msec.php

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 15:44, Todd wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Mike Burkett wrote:
> > I've just upgraded to V2.1.4 and am having some problems with file
> > permissions on the /var/lib/mailman/logs files.
> [...]
> > Something keeps resetting the permissions to 0600 and then the web
> > interface dies with the info below.
> [...]
> > Any suggestions? I did try to find this in the FAQs but was
> > unsuccessful...
> [...]
> > sys.version
> >
> > 2.3 (#2, Aug 31 2003, 17:27:29) [GCC 3.3.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.2
> > 3.3.1-1mdk)] 
> 
> I think you've got a mandrake specific issue here.  They have some
> program that tightens up permissions regularly.  I don't use mandrake
> so I can't help much with how to tweak it to not tighten up the
> permissions on the mailman log dir so much.  Hopefully I'm on the
> right track here.  It's surely nothing mailman specific that's
> changing your permissions. 
> 
> - -- 
> Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
> ======================================================================
> An election is coming. Universal peace is declared and the foxes have
> a sincere interest in prolonging the lives of the poultry.
>     -- T.S. Eliot
> 
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> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From jsingh at fdu.edu  Tue Feb  3 23:06:42 2004
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:06:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message
Message-ID: <005201c3eaa2$047eb480$7d0bee84@FDUJACK>

Hi 

  I wanted to take the url address out of the email footer when email is
sent out . I commented out the line in Defaults.py 

#%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s but still the url is
going out, what am I doing wrong ?

thanks 

 

Jaskaran Singh

University Systems & Security

Fairleigh Dickinson University

1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01

Teaneck, NJ 07666

 



From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Tue Feb  3 23:14:45 2004
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:14:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message
In-Reply-To: <005201c3eaa2$047eb480$7d0bee84@FDUJACK>
References: <005201c3eaa2$047eb480$7d0bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <5FA243AA-5696-11D8-B77A-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>

On Feb 3, 2004, at 4:06 PM, jsingh wrote:
> I wanted to take the url address out of the email footer when email is
> sent out . I commented out the line in Defaults.py
>
> #%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s but still the 
> url is
> going out, what am I doing wrong ?
>

Two problems with that:

1) Don't make changes in Defaults.py; make them in mm_cfg.py to 
override what's in Defaults.
2) Email footers are more easily set in the web interface under general 
options --> digest options and non-digest options.

Dan




From skip at pobox.com  Tue Feb  3 23:14:54 2004
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:14:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error running change_pw
In-Reply-To: <20040203211559.GE3731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402031056440.9009-100000@stubbed.its.to>
	<16416.2495.296142.549992@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20040203211559.GE3731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <16416.7518.974622.790523@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> Looks that way.  RH 7.3 comes with Python 1.5.2 which definitely
    >> doesn't have the print >> fd gimmick.  I believe Mailman needs at
    >> least 2.1.  Just download the Python 2.3.3 tarfile, extract it and
    >> execute

    Todd> That's not really a bad idea, but you could also just install the
    Todd> python2 (and associated -devel package) from the RH 7.3 distro.

Oh, yeah.  Forgot about that.  I've been building Python from source for so
long I tend to forget that RH has a python2 package. ;-)

Skip



From merle.reine at lindows.com  Tue Feb  3 23:19:41 2004
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:19:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists failing - URGENT
Message-ID: <40201E7D.8000208@lindows.com>

my mailing lists have been working for many month and all of a sudden 
after a reboot, fail to send.  I get no errors and in the /var/log/mail 
is shows:

Feb  3 14:10:40 mail postfix/local[12282]: 8C5AD18EC02: 
to=<alert at lindows.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post alert")

I is sending to the list but the list is not sending out to the 
recipients.  This is urgent, anyone have any ideas?




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Feb  3 21:40:47 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:40:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More on Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <14100000.1075808221@shieldbreaker.l33tskillz.org>
References: <000101c3de48$1aa023e0$543de6ce@DUSTY>
	<14100000.1075808221@shieldbreaker.l33tskillz.org>
Message-ID: <p06002010bc45b6074611@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:37 AM -0500 2004/02/03, James Ralston wrote:

>  For my Mailman server, I wrote a script to extract the mailman alias
>  entries and merge them with my master aliases file.  I run this from
>  cron every 10 minutes.  Usually, by the time the list owner gets done
>  fiddling with the config for his new list, the alias file entries have
>  already been generated.

	Sendmail can have a list of alias files, just like postfix.  The 
Mailman aliases file should be able to be auto-rebuilt, and have 
sendmail pick up the changes on the fly -- just like postfix.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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From aaron at mutualaid.org  Tue Feb  3 23:39:37 2004
From: aaron at mutualaid.org (aaron)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:39:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forced footer for all Mailman lists
Message-ID: <76366495C9C94E4BA5BB0919BF9B684C431BF4@order.partners-intl.net>

We need to append a forced footer message (with unsubscribe info) to all of
the Mailman lists that we host. This needs to be done in a way that prevents
any list admins from changing or removing the message. We thought that we
could do this using Decorate.py, but can't seem to figure it out. Ideally,
we would want this footer to be appended in addition to the custom list
footer.

This is the third time I've requested help on this and there have been no
takers so far. This time I'll offer to pay for someone's time to help me if
you know how to accomplish this.

We are using Mailman 2.1.2.

Please CC: me directly on your reply. TIA.

- aaron




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Feb  3 23:42:41 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:42:41 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists failing - URGENT
In-Reply-To: <40201E7D.8000208@lindows.com>
References: <40201E7D.8000208@lindows.com>
Message-ID: <46C1C8E9-569A-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 3 Feb 2004, at 22:19, Merle Reine wrote:

> my mailing lists have been working for many month and all of a sudden 
> after a reboot, fail to send.  I get no errors and in the 
> /var/log/mail is shows:
>
> Feb  3 14:10:40 mail postfix/local[12282]: 8C5AD18EC02: 
> to=<alert at lindows.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
> ("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post alert")
>
> I is sending to the list but the list is not sending out to the 
> recipients.  This is urgent, anyone have any ideas?

You do not say what version of MM you are running but:

If MM 2.0.x: is the mailman user's crontab installed and executing the 
qrunner?

If MM 2.1.x: has $prefix/bin/mailmanctl been executed to start the 
qrunners and is the mailman user's crontab installed?

In either version case are files accumulating under the $prefix/qfiles 
directory?




From merle.reine at lindows.com  Tue Feb  3 23:47:12 2004
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:47:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists failing - URGENT
In-Reply-To: <46C1C8E9-569A-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <40201E7D.8000208@lindows.com>
	<46C1C8E9-569A-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <402024F0.5050103@lindows.com>

Sorry for not giving more information, I am completely stressed.

I have mailman v 2.1.x and qrunner is running.  In 
/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt it is full of files.  They appear to be 
filling up there.  Any Ideas?

Richard Barrett wrote:

>
> On 3 Feb 2004, at 22:19, Merle Reine wrote:
>
>> my mailing lists have been working for many month and all of a sudden 
>> after a reboot, fail to send.  I get no errors and in the 
>> /var/log/mail is shows:
>>
>> Feb  3 14:10:40 mail postfix/local[12282]: 8C5AD18EC02: 
>> to=<alert at lindows.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
>> ("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post alert")
>>
>> I is sending to the list but the list is not sending out to the 
>> recipients.  This is urgent, anyone have any ideas?
>
>
> You do not say what version of MM you are running but:
>
> If MM 2.0.x: is the mailman user's crontab installed and executing the 
> qrunner?
>
> If MM 2.1.x: has $prefix/bin/mailmanctl been executed to start the 
> qrunners and is the mailman user's crontab installed?
>
> In either version case are files accumulating under the $prefix/qfiles 
> directory?
>




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Feb  3 23:49:46 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Feb 2004 17:49:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists failing - URGENT
In-Reply-To: <40201E7D.8000208@lindows.com>
References: <40201E7D.8000208@lindows.com>
Message-ID: <1075848586.9032.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

See FAQ 3.14.
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

The most common problem is that you didn't restart mailmanctl. 

If that doesn't get you going, I'll be happy to help (as a consultant).

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 17:19, Merle Reine wrote:
> my mailing lists have been working for many month and all of a sudden 
> after a reboot, fail to send.  I get no errors and in the /var/log/mail 
> is shows:
> 
> Feb  3 14:10:40 mail postfix/local[12282]: 8C5AD18EC02: 
> to=<alert at lindows.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
> ("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post alert")
> 
> I is sending to the list but the list is not sending out to the 
> recipients.  This is urgent, anyone have any ideas?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Feb  3 23:56:54 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:56:54 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists failing - URGENT
In-Reply-To: <402024F0.5050103@lindows.com>
References: <40201E7D.8000208@lindows.com>
	<46C1C8E9-569A-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<402024F0.5050103@lindows.com>
Message-ID: <42BF138F-569C-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 3 Feb 2004, at 22:47, Merle Reine wrote:

> Sorry for not giving more information, I am completely stressed.
>
> I have mailman v 2.1.x and qrunner is running.  In 
> /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt it is full of files.  They appear to be 
> filling up there.  Any Ideas?
>

If messages are being shunted, are you certain that nothing is being 
written to $prefix/logs/error; that is what I would expect to be 
happening with shunts. If not is it possible that the permissions of 
the logs directory have gotten screwed up? It might be worth running 
check_perms to see if that makes any difference. Aside from that ...

btw: what was the reason for the reboot? Any possibility of the cause 
being something that has  affected MM's operation?

> Richard Barrett wrote:
>
>>
>> On 3 Feb 2004, at 22:19, Merle Reine wrote:
>>
>>> my mailing lists have been working for many month and all of a 
>>> sudden after a reboot, fail to send.  I get no errors and in the 
>>> /var/log/mail is shows:
>>>
>>> Feb  3 14:10:40 mail postfix/local[12282]: 8C5AD18EC02: 
>>> to=<alert at lindows.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
>>> ("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post alert")
>>>
>>> I is sending to the list but the list is not sending out to the 
>>> recipients.  This is urgent, anyone have any ideas?
>>
>>
>> You do not say what version of MM you are running but:
>>
>> If MM 2.0.x: is the mailman user's crontab installed and executing 
>> the qrunner?
>>
>> If MM 2.1.x: has $prefix/bin/mailmanctl been executed to start the 
>> qrunners and is the mailman user's crontab installed?
>>
>> In either version case are files accumulating under the 
>> $prefix/qfiles directory?
>>
>




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb  4 00:01:12 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Feb 2004 18:01:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists failing - URGENT
In-Reply-To: <402024F0.5050103@lindows.com>
References: <40201E7D.8000208@lindows.com>
	<46C1C8E9-569A-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<402024F0.5050103@lindows.com>
Message-ID: <1075849272.9032.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>

You probably have a corrupt message at the head of the queue.

Stop Mailman from running:
  ~mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop

Check the lock files:
  ls ~mailman/locks

If there are any current lock files, then you'll want to check the
processes (part of the lock file name is the process ID). If the process
is not running then kill the lock file.

If you cleared lock files then turn Mailman back on and try again
(mailmanctl start), otherwise continue looking for a bad email before
you turn mailman back on...

Then look in the qfiles:
  ~mailman/qfiles/<queue>/

Copy those messages somewhere else:
  cd ~mailman
  cp -a qfiles /tmp

Now delete everything in the queues:
  cd ~mailman/qfiles
  rm -rf *.db
  rm -rf *.pck

Now startup Mailman:
  ~mailman/bin/mailmanctl start

Note: this is only for *Emergencies* like this. 

Now see if the messages go through.

On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 17:47, Merle Reine wrote:
> Sorry for not giving more information, I am completely stressed.
> 
> I have mailman v 2.1.x and qrunner is running.  In 
> /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt it is full of files.  They appear to be 
> filling up there.  Any Ideas?
> 
> Richard Barrett wrote:
> 
> >
> > On 3 Feb 2004, at 22:19, Merle Reine wrote:
> >
> >> my mailing lists have been working for many month and all of a sudden 
> >> after a reboot, fail to send.  I get no errors and in the 
> >> /var/log/mail is shows:
> >>
> >> Feb  3 14:10:40 mail postfix/local[12282]: 8C5AD18EC02: 
> >> to=<alert at lindows.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
> >> ("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post alert")
> >>
> >> I is sending to the list but the list is not sending out to the 
> >> recipients.  This is urgent, anyone have any ideas?
> >
> >
> > You do not say what version of MM you are running but:
> >
> > If MM 2.0.x: is the mailman user's crontab installed and executing the 
> > qrunner?
> >
> > If MM 2.1.x: has $prefix/bin/mailmanctl been executed to start the 
> > qrunners and is the mailman user's crontab installed?
> >
> > In either version case are files accumulating under the $prefix/qfiles 
> > directory?
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb  4 00:05:09 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Feb 2004 18:05:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists failing - URGENT
In-Reply-To: <42BF138F-569C-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <40201E7D.8000208@lindows.com>
	<46C1C8E9-569A-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<402024F0.5050103@lindows.com>
	<42BF138F-569C-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1075849509.9032.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Good call.  Some systems run through a security check on boot and reset
permissions.

My guess is that the reboot caused a file being written to in one his
queues to be incomplete or corrupt.

(of course - we're all just dancing in the dark...)

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 17:56, Richard Barrett wrote:
> On 3 Feb 2004, at 22:47, Merle Reine wrote:
> 
> > Sorry for not giving more information, I am completely stressed.
> >
> > I have mailman v 2.1.x and qrunner is running.  In 
> > /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt it is full of files.  They appear to be 
> > filling up there.  Any Ideas?
> >
> 
> If messages are being shunted, are you certain that nothing is being 
> written to $prefix/logs/error; that is what I would expect to be 
> happening with shunts. If not is it possible that the permissions of 
> the logs directory have gotten screwed up? It might be worth running 
> check_perms to see if that makes any difference. Aside from that ...
> 
> btw: what was the reason for the reboot? Any possibility of the cause 
> being something that has  affected MM's operation?
> 
> > Richard Barrett wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 3 Feb 2004, at 22:19, Merle Reine wrote:
> >>
> >>> my mailing lists have been working for many month and all of a 
> >>> sudden after a reboot, fail to send.  I get no errors and in the 
> >>> /var/log/mail is shows:
> >>>
> >>> Feb  3 14:10:40 mail postfix/local[12282]: 8C5AD18EC02: 
> >>> to=<alert at lindows.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
> >>> ("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post alert")
> >>>
> >>> I is sending to the list but the list is not sending out to the 
> >>> recipients.  This is urgent, anyone have any ideas?
> >>
> >>
> >> You do not say what version of MM you are running but:
> >>
> >> If MM 2.0.x: is the mailman user's crontab installed and executing 
> >> the qrunner?
> >>
> >> If MM 2.1.x: has $prefix/bin/mailmanctl been executed to start the 
> >> qrunners and is the mailman user's crontab installed?
> >>
> >> In either version case are files accumulating under the 
> >> $prefix/qfiles directory?
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
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From merle.reine at lindows.com  Wed Feb  4 00:10:10 2004
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:10:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists failing - URGENT
In-Reply-To: <1075849509.9032.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <40201E7D.8000208@lindows.com>	
	<46C1C8E9-569A-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>	
	<402024F0.5050103@lindows.com>	
	<42BF138F-569C-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<1075849509.9032.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <40202A52.8030208@lindows.com>

I deleted all files in shunt (backed up of course) restarted mailmanctl 
and still no mail coming through.  Already ran check_perms and 
everything is ok.

Jon, how much would you charge to look at this for me?

email or call:
858-587-6700 ext 244
merle.reine at lindows.com


Jon Carnes wrote:

>Good call.  Some systems run through a security check on boot and reset
>permissions.
>
>My guess is that the reboot caused a file being written to in one his
>queues to be incomplete or corrupt.
>
>(of course - we're all just dancing in the dark...)
>
>Jon Carnes
>
>On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 17:56, Richard Barrett wrote:
>  
>
>>On 3 Feb 2004, at 22:47, Merle Reine wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Sorry for not giving more information, I am completely stressed.
>>>
>>>I have mailman v 2.1.x and qrunner is running.  In 
>>>/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt it is full of files.  They appear to be 
>>>filling up there.  Any Ideas?
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>If messages are being shunted, are you certain that nothing is being 
>>written to $prefix/logs/error; that is what I would expect to be 
>>happening with shunts. If not is it possible that the permissions of 
>>the logs directory have gotten screwed up? It might be worth running 
>>check_perms to see if that makes any difference. Aside from that ...
>>
>>btw: what was the reason for the reboot? Any possibility of the cause 
>>being something that has  affected MM's operation?
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Richard Barrett wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>On 3 Feb 2004, at 22:19, Merle Reine wrote:
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>my mailing lists have been working for many month and all of a 
>>>>>sudden after a reboot, fail to send.  I get no errors and in the 
>>>>>/var/log/mail is shows:
>>>>>
>>>>>Feb  3 14:10:40 mail postfix/local[12282]: 8C5AD18EC02: 
>>>>>to=<alert at lindows.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
>>>>>("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post alert")
>>>>>
>>>>>I is sending to the list but the list is not sending out to the 
>>>>>recipients.  This is urgent, anyone have any ideas?
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>You do not say what version of MM you are running but:
>>>>
>>>>If MM 2.0.x: is the mailman user's crontab installed and executing 
>>>>the qrunner?
>>>>
>>>>If MM 2.1.x: has $prefix/bin/mailmanctl been executed to start the 
>>>>qrunners and is the mailman user's crontab installed?
>>>>
>>>>In either version case are files accumulating under the 
>>>>$prefix/qfiles directory?
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
>>Mailman-Users mailing list
>>Mailman-Users at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>>This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
>>Unsubscribe or change your options at
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>>    
>>
>
>  
>


From merle.reine at lindows.com  Wed Feb  4 00:16:16 2004
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:16:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists failing - URGENT
In-Reply-To: <40202A52.8030208@lindows.com>
References: <40201E7D.8000208@lindows.com>		<46C1C8E9-569A-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>		<402024F0.5050103@lindows.com>		<42BF138F-569C-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>	<1075849509.9032.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<40202A52.8030208@lindows.com>
Message-ID: <40202BC0.6000301@lindows.com>

in /var/lib/mailman/logs/error:

Feb 03 15:09:48 2004 (21315) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", 
line 105, in _oneloop
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", 
line 155, in _onefile
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", 
line 130, in _dispose
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", 
line 153, in _dopipeline
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", 
line 82, in process
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", 
line 123, in send_digests
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", 
line 295, in send_i18n_digests
  File 
"/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", 
line 308, in process
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in 
search_function
    mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
ValueError: Empty module name

Feb 03 15:09:48 2004 (21315) SHUNTING: 
1071545815.072109+214a6df88863cca87411acab3d4f082009f728e1

but , I seem to have been getting these messages since october so I am 
not sure if this is a problem.  Mail has worked until apparently this 
morning.

Merle Reine wrote:

> I deleted all files in shunt (backed up of course) restarted 
> mailmanctl and still no mail coming through.  Already ran check_perms 
> and everything is ok.
>
> Jon, how much would you charge to look at this for me?
>
> email or call:
> 858-587-6700 ext 244
> merle.reine at lindows.com
>
>
> Jon Carnes wrote:
>
>> Good call.  Some systems run through a security check on boot and reset
>> permissions.
>>
>> My guess is that the reboot caused a file being written to in one his
>> queues to be incomplete or corrupt.
>>
>> (of course - we're all just dancing in the dark...)
>>
>> Jon Carnes
>>
>> On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 17:56, Richard Barrett wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> On 3 Feb 2004, at 22:47, Merle Reine wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> Sorry for not giving more information, I am completely stressed.
>>>>
>>>> I have mailman v 2.1.x and qrunner is running.  In 
>>>> /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt it is full of files.  They appear to 
>>>> be filling up there.  Any Ideas?
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>
>>> If messages are being shunted, are you certain that nothing is being 
>>> written to $prefix/logs/error; that is what I would expect to be 
>>> happening with shunts. If not is it possible that the permissions of 
>>> the logs directory have gotten screwed up? It might be worth running 
>>> check_perms to see if that makes any difference. Aside from that ...
>>>
>>> btw: what was the reason for the reboot? Any possibility of the 
>>> cause being something that has  affected MM's operation?
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> Richard Barrett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>> On 3 Feb 2004, at 22:19, Merle Reine wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>> my mailing lists have been working for many month and all of a 
>>>>>> sudden after a reboot, fail to send.  I get no errors and in the 
>>>>>> /var/log/mail is shows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feb  3 14:10:40 mail postfix/local[12282]: 8C5AD18EC02: 
>>>>>> to=<alert at lindows.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
>>>>>> ("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post alert")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I is sending to the list but the list is not sending out to the 
>>>>>> recipients.  This is urgent, anyone have any ideas?
>>>>>>         
>>>>>
>>>>> You do not say what version of MM you are running but:
>>>>>
>>>>> If MM 2.0.x: is the mailman user's crontab installed and executing 
>>>>> the qrunner?
>>>>>
>>>>> If MM 2.1.x: has $prefix/bin/mailmanctl been executed to start the 
>>>>> qrunners and is the mailman user's crontab installed?
>>>>>
>>>>> In either version case are files accumulating under the 
>>>>> $prefix/qfiles directory?
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
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From shad at ascendant.ca  Wed Feb  4 00:32:42 2004
From: shad at ascendant.ca (Shad Young)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:32:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Help needed
Message-ID: <32989.192.168.1.2.1075851162.squirrel@www.ascendant.ca>

Hello again all,

I am in dire need of some installation help using MM 2.14  for a Mandrake 9.1
system using postfix and apache 2.

Everything seems to be installed correctly; web interface works, mail seems
to go to the right place... but for some reason MM is refusing to send out
mail (no admin notices, no subscription confirmations, nada. I am getting no
error logs, no bounces, nothing to help me figure out why.

If you can help with this I would much appreciate it, and I can also pay a
small amount to help cover your time.

TIA
-- 
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Feb  4 00:31:06 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:31:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forced footer for all Mailman lists
In-Reply-To: <76366495C9C94E4BA5BB0919BF9B684C431BF4@order.partners-intl.net>
References: <76366495C9C94E4BA5BB0919BF9B684C431BF4@order.partners-intl.net>
Message-ID: <p06002024bc45ddae912d@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:39 PM -0500 2004/02/03, aaron wrote:

>  We need to append a forced footer message (with unsubscribe info) to all of
>  the Mailman lists that we host. This needs to be done in a way that prevents
>  any list admins from changing or removing the message. We thought that we
>  could do this using Decorate.py, but can't seem to figure it out.

	It's easy enough to change the templates, but if any of your 
mailing list owners have shell access to the server, they might be 
able to change them back.

	The issue of changing templates is addressed in FAQ 3.11, at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>, 
although this is not the primary purpose of this entry.

>                                                                    Ideally,
>  we would want this footer to be appended in addition to the custom list
>  footer.

	That would be a bit more difficult.  That would require source 
code changes.

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From aaron at mutualaid.org  Wed Feb  4 00:59:55 2004
From: aaron at mutualaid.org (aaron)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:59:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE:  Forced footer for all Mailman lists
In-Reply-To: <p06002024bc45ddae912d@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <76366495C9C94E4BA5BB0919BF9B684C431BFE@order.partners-intl.net>

Brad: Thanks for your response.

>	It's easy enough to change the templates, but if any of your 
>mailing list owners have shell access to the server, they might be 
>able to change them back.

We don't provide any shell access, but won't list admins be able to change
the footer using the web admin interface under "Non-digest options" or
"Digest options" -> msg_footer?

>	The issue of changing templates is addressed in FAQ 3.11, at 
><http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>, 
>although this is not the primary purpose of this entry.

My understanding is that changing the templates in this way would just
change the default footer for new lists, leaving the possibility that any
list admin will remove the footer from their list using the web admin
interface.

Sorry if i misunderstood.

- aaron




From mburkett at kmvtechnologies.com  Wed Feb  4 01:02:56 2004
From: mburkett at kmvtechnologies.com (Mike Burkett)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:02:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Permissions on /var/lib/mailman/logs files...
Message-ID: <CAB10B66157A3A4184EDA545FE5228151DD974@kmvaus01.austin.kmvtechnologies.com>

It is MSEC... and I've gone in and modified the perm files
(/usr/share/msec/perm.[0-5]) to add lines for the /var/lib/mailman/logs
directory and files as well as the /var/log/mailman directory and its
files... still some strangeness at times so I'm leaving the every minute
cron jobs in as well to override the file perms directly... not pretty
but it is working.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:09 PM
To: Todd
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] File Permissions on /var/lib/mailman/logs
files...

What level is your MSec set to? It could definitely be doing this.
http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/msec.php

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 15:44, Todd wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Mike Burkett wrote:
> > I've just upgraded to V2.1.4 and am having some problems with file
> > permissions on the /var/lib/mailman/logs files.
> [...]
> > Something keeps resetting the permissions to 0600 and then the web
> > interface dies with the info below.
> [...]
> > Any suggestions? I did try to find this in the FAQs but was
> > unsuccessful...
> [...]
> > sys.version
> >
> > 2.3 (#2, Aug 31 2003, 17:27:29) [GCC 3.3.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.2
> > 3.3.1-1mdk)] 
> 
> I think you've got a mandrake specific issue here.  They have some
> program that tightens up permissions regularly.  I don't use mandrake
> so I can't help much with how to tweak it to not tighten up the
> permissions on the mailman log dir so much.  Hopefully I'm on the
> right track here.  It's surely nothing mailman specific that's
> changing your permissions. 
> 
> - -- 
> Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
> ======================================================================
> An election is coming. Universal peace is declared and the foxes have
> a sincere interest in prolonging the lives of the poultry.
>     -- T.S. Eliot
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux)
> Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.
> 
> iD8DBQFAIAhJuv+09NZUB1oRAv/nAKDqPhly6DwsaUTU6Vl54Gy+ZHTdwwCfSJTH
> HbD2CuNgVCAX2zJh7zD+CWs=
> =RWHt
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From mburkett at kmvtechnologies.com  Wed Feb  4 01:20:32 2004
From: mburkett at kmvtechnologies.com (Mike Burkett)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:20:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Permissions on /var/lib/mailman/logs
	files... (FIXED)
Message-ID: <CAB10B66157A3A4184EDA545FE5228151DD975@kmvaus01.austin.kmvtechnologies.com>

So I finally figured out how you customize MSEC... thanks to Jon's link
below...

Specifically for making Mandrake 9.2 happy with MAILMAN I created the
file /etc/security/msec/perm.local containing the following lines:

/var/lib/mailman/logs                           mail.mail
2775
/var/lib/mailman/logs/*                         mail.mail
2775
/var/log/mailman                                mail.mail
2775
/var/log/mailman/*                              mail.mail
2775
/var/log/mailman/*/*                            mail.mail
2775

Hope this helps someone else... it is much cleaner than my "every minute
cron" patch. :)


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Burkett 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:03 PM
To: jonc at nc.rr.com; Todd
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] File Permissions on /var/lib/mailman/logs
files...

It is MSEC... and I've gone in and modified the perm files
(/usr/share/msec/perm.[0-5]) to add lines for the /var/lib/mailman/logs
directory and files as well as the /var/log/mailman directory and its
files... still some strangeness at times so I'm leaving the every minute
cron jobs in as well to override the file perms directly... not pretty
but it is working.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:09 PM
To: Todd
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] File Permissions on /var/lib/mailman/logs
files...

What level is your MSec set to? It could definitely be doing this.
http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/msec.php

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 15:44, Todd wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Mike Burkett wrote:
> > I've just upgraded to V2.1.4 and am having some problems with file
> > permissions on the /var/lib/mailman/logs files.
> [...]
> > Something keeps resetting the permissions to 0600 and then the web
> > interface dies with the info below.
> [...]
> > Any suggestions? I did try to find this in the FAQs but was
> > unsuccessful...
> [...]
> > sys.version
> >
> > 2.3 (#2, Aug 31 2003, 17:27:29) [GCC 3.3.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.2
> > 3.3.1-1mdk)] 
> 
> I think you've got a mandrake specific issue here.  They have some
> program that tightens up permissions regularly.  I don't use mandrake
> so I can't help much with how to tweak it to not tighten up the
> permissions on the mailman log dir so much.  Hopefully I'm on the
> right track here.  It's surely nothing mailman specific that's
> changing your permissions. 
> 
> - -- 
> Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
> ======================================================================
> An election is coming. Universal peace is declared and the foxes have
> a sincere interest in prolonging the lives of the poultry.
>     -- T.S. Eliot
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux)
> Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.
> 
> iD8DBQFAIAhJuv+09NZUB1oRAv/nAKDqPhly6DwsaUTU6Vl54Gy+ZHTdwwCfSJTH
> HbD2CuNgVCAX2zJh7zD+CWs=
> =RWHt
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From merle.reine at lindows.com  Wed Feb  4 01:45:30 2004
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:45:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists failing - URGENT (fixed)
In-Reply-To: <1075849509.9032.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <40201E7D.8000208@lindows.com>	
	<46C1C8E9-569A-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>	
	<402024F0.5050103@lindows.com>	
	<42BF138F-569C-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<1075849509.9032.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <402040AA.3090208@lindows.com>

Thanks to the help of Jon Carnes, I was able to get mailman up and 
running again.

If any of you need any assistance, I suggest you contact Jon as he is 
very knowledgeable and professional and knows mailman.

It looks to have been a corrupted incoming message in the 
/var/lib/mailman/qfile/in directory.  I could not have fixed this 
without Jon's expert knowledge.

Thanks also to those that pointed me in the direction of the lock files.

Thanks Jon.

Merle

Jon Carnes wrote:

>Good call.  Some systems run through a security check on boot and reset
>permissions.
>
>My guess is that the reboot caused a file being written to in one his
>queues to be incomplete or corrupt.
>
>(of course - we're all just dancing in the dark...)
>
>Jon Carnes
>
>On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 17:56, Richard Barrett wrote:
>  
>
>>On 3 Feb 2004, at 22:47, Merle Reine wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Sorry for not giving more information, I am completely stressed.
>>>
>>>I have mailman v 2.1.x and qrunner is running.  In 
>>>/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt it is full of files.  They appear to be 
>>>filling up there.  Any Ideas?
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>If messages are being shunted, are you certain that nothing is being 
>>written to $prefix/logs/error; that is what I would expect to be 
>>happening with shunts. If not is it possible that the permissions of 
>>the logs directory have gotten screwed up? It might be worth running 
>>check_perms to see if that makes any difference. Aside from that ...
>>
>>btw: what was the reason for the reboot? Any possibility of the cause 
>>being something that has  affected MM's operation?
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Richard Barrett wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>On 3 Feb 2004, at 22:19, Merle Reine wrote:
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>my mailing lists have been working for many month and all of a 
>>>>>sudden after a reboot, fail to send.  I get no errors and in the 
>>>>>/var/log/mail is shows:
>>>>>
>>>>>Feb  3 14:10:40 mail postfix/local[12282]: 8C5AD18EC02: 
>>>>>to=<alert at lindows.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
>>>>>("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post alert")
>>>>>
>>>>>I is sending to the list but the list is not sending out to the 
>>>>>recipients.  This is urgent, anyone have any ideas?
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>You do not say what version of MM you are running but:
>>>>
>>>>If MM 2.0.x: is the mailman user's crontab installed and executing 
>>>>the qrunner?
>>>>
>>>>If MM 2.1.x: has $prefix/bin/mailmanctl been executed to start the 
>>>>qrunners and is the mailman user's crontab installed?
>>>>
>>>>In either version case are files accumulating under the 
>>>>$prefix/qfiles directory?
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
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>
>  
>


From mark at pdc-racing.net  Wed Feb  4 01:50:31 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:50:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists failing - URGENT (fixed)
In-Reply-To: <402040AA.3090208@lindows.com>
References: <40201E7D.8000208@lindows.com>	
	<46C1C8E9-569A-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>	
	<402024F0.5050103@lindows.com>	
	<42BF138F-569C-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<1075849509.9032.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<402040AA.3090208@lindows.com>
Message-ID: <223DB697-56AC-11D8-8702-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>

On Feb 3, 2004, at 4:45 PM, Merle Reine wrote:
> It looks to have been a corrupted incoming message in the 
> /var/lib/mailman/qfile/in directory.  I could not have fixed this 
> without Jon's expert knowledge.
>

Did you file a bug on this?  A corrupted incoming message should not 
take down the whole mailing list system.  Mailman should recognize it 
as bad and shunt it out of the way, preferably notifying the admin in 
the process.

- Mark
-----
mark at pdc-racing.net




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb  4 02:24:25 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Feb 2004 20:24:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists failing - URGENT (fixed)
In-Reply-To: <223DB697-56AC-11D8-8702-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <40201E7D.8000208@lindows.com>
	<46C1C8E9-569A-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<402024F0.5050103@lindows.com>
	<42BF138F-569C-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<1075849509.9032.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<402040AA.3090208@lindows.com>
	<223DB697-56AC-11D8-8702-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <1075857865.9032.29.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 19:50, Mark Dadgar wrote:
> On Feb 3, 2004, at 4:45 PM, Merle Reine wrote:
> > It looks to have been a corrupted incoming message in the 
> > /var/lib/mailman/qfile/in directory.  I could not have fixed this 
> > without Jon's expert knowledge.
> >
> 
> Did you file a bug on this?  A corrupted incoming message should not 
> take down the whole mailing list system.  Mailman should recognize it 
> as bad and shunt it out of the way, preferably notifying the admin in 
> the process.
> 
> - Mark
> -----
> mark at pdc-racing.net
> 
He is running an earlier 2.1.x version.  I think this has been corrected
in the latest version.

I dealt with the exact same problem at another clients a few months
back.  I haven't seen this problem on any clients running 2.1.4.

Jon Carnes





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb  4 02:39:01 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Feb 2004 20:39:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Help needed
In-Reply-To: <32989.192.168.1.2.1075851162.squirrel@www.ascendant.ca>
References: <32989.192.168.1.2.1075851162.squirrel@www.ascendant.ca>
Message-ID: <1075858741.9032.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Check out FAQ 3.14, if that doesn't work (including posting the error
logs to the list), then I'll be happy to help you as a consultant.

Jon Carnes
 
On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 18:32, Shad Young wrote:
> Hello again all,
> 
> I am in dire need of some installation help using MM 2.14  for a Mandrake 9.1
> system using postfix and apache 2.
> 
> Everything seems to be installed correctly; web interface works, mail seems
> to go to the right place... but for some reason MM is refusing to send out
> mail (no admin notices, no subscription confirmations, nada. I am getting no
> error logs, no bounces, nothing to help me figure out why.
> 
> If you can help with this I would much appreciate it, and I can also pay a
> small amount to help cover your time.
> 
> TIA




From ken at brainstormdesign.net  Wed Feb  4 06:48:59 2004
From: ken at brainstormdesign.net (Ken Adcock)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:48:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I stop members' replies from going to all
	other members?
Message-ID: <D45F3E4E-56D5-11D8-A7AA-000393D6DF68@brainstormdesign.net>

I have a newsletter type of list that I set up for the first time last 
night. It looked like it worked fine so I blasted out a "Welcome to the 
List" message to all of the members. this morning they started replying 
with thank yous, but those replies are going out to everyone. I would 
like replies to go only to the "Explicit Reply Address". I thought I 
had set that up.

If it makes a difference, I am posting to an umbrella list that 
contains only two other lists as members. I have set the "Explicit 
reply" in all three lists.

hope you guys can help me.

Thanks,
Ken Adcock

========================
BRAINSTORM DESIGN
Graphic Design for
Print and Internet

Ken Adcock
1267 Marvin Avenue
Charleston, SC 29407
Tel: 843-345-9196
Fax: 843-573-3400

From chris at schoeppi.net  Wed Feb  4 07:37:28 2004
From: chris at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:37:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forced footer for all Mailman lists
In-Reply-To: <76366495C9C94E4BA5BB0919BF9B684C431BF4@order.partners-intl.net>
References: <76366495C9C94E4BA5BB0919BF9B684C431BF4@order.partners-intl.net>
Message-ID: <20040204063728.GA1061@athlon.schoeppi.net>

Hi Aron!

On Di, Feb 03, 2004 at 05:39:37 -0500, aaron wrote:
> We need to append a forced footer message (with unsubscribe info) to all of
> the Mailman lists that we host. This needs to be done in a way that prevents
> any list admins from changing or removing the message. We thought that we
> could do this using Decorate.py, but can't seem to figure it out. Ideally,
> we would want this footer to be appended in addition to the custom list
> footer.

I integrated alterMIME into our mailsystem (postfix and mailman 2.1.14). 
alterMIME IMHO does wat you want, it adds an disclaimer to every 
outgoing mail for example. At the moment we are testing this system and 
most things appear to work fine, but in 
some cases mails are changed that way, that the listfooter is added as 
attachment...., mostly if html-Mails were sent to a list. alterMIME can 
be found here:

http://www.pldaniels.com/altermime/

Hth,
Schoeppi

-- 
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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Wed Feb  4 09:29:41 2004
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 04 Feb 2004 09:29:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Annoying auto-response to everything sent to this
	list
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040203135833.081ee9e8@mail.themarriagebed.com>
References: <6.0.2.0.0.20040203135833.081ee9e8@mail.themarriagebed.com>
Message-ID: <soylent-green-mm-m2smhr8cy2.fsf@neubauer-cvk.charite.de>

Paul H Byerly <paul at thcwd.com> writes:

>       I am sure everyone who submits to this list is getting a blank
>       e-mail from lrz-muenchen.de following each post.  Relevant
>       headers below:
> 
> 
> 
> X-ClientAddr: 129.187.254.102
> Received: from mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de (mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de
> [129.187.254.102])

Yes i get some mail. I forward it to /dev/null. :-)


Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Detlef Neubauer
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From marco at metm.org  Wed Feb  4 10:25:42 2004
From: marco at metm.org (marco at metm.org)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 04:25:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie install problems (bug?)
Message-ID: <20040204092542.GK7544@metm.org>

hello all,

I have been trying to get mailman to work for a couple of days.  First I
tried the Debian testing package (version 2.1.3) which depends on Python 2.3

I got most things to work, setting up the aliases in Postfix etc. and I
can sign up for an email list by going to the subscribe page on my
webserver, I get the confirmation email.  If I reply to the email, I can
sign up, but if I try to confirm by using the web page linked in the
confirmation email, I hit a python bug (see below).  I get the same bug
if I try to use the online administrative interface.

I have tried compiling version 2.1.3 and 2.1.4 from source and I get the
same error.  I have tried with python2.2 and python2.3.  Perhaps I have
a configuration problem, python path not set up properly?

Any help is appreciated,

-- 
Marco

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 110, in main
    subscription_confirm(mlist, doc, cookie, cgidata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 333, in
subscription_confirm
    op, addr, pw, digest, lang = mlist.ProcessConfirmation(
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1124, in
ProcessConfirmation
    self.ApprovedAddMember(userdesc, whence=whence)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 903, in
ApprovedAddMember
    1 - self.mime_is_default_digest)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 312, in
setMemberOption
    self.__mlist.user_options[memberkey] |= flag
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for |=: 'list' and 'int'



Python information:

Variable	Value
sys.version	2.3.3 (#2, Jan 13 2004, 00:47:05) [GCC 3.3.3 20040110
(prerelease) (Debian)]
sys.executable	/usr/bin/python
sys.prefix	/usr
sys.exec_prefix	/usr
sys.path	/usr
sys.platform	linux2

Environment variables:

Variable	Value
HTTP_REFERER
http://cfsg.org/cgi-bin/mailman/confirm/cfsg-forum/9f64e02c27c9330c6df75bed25c62e6fc371d747
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache
SCRIPT_NAME 	/cgi-bin/mailman/confirm
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	
REQUEST_METHOD 	POST
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 	300
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING 	
CONTENT_LENGTH 	120
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 	ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4)
Gecko/20030714 Debian/1.4-2
HTTP_CONNECTION 	keep-alive
SERVER_NAME 	localhost
REMOTE_PORT 	36000
PATH_TRANSLATED 	/home/www/cfsg.org/cfsg-forum
SERVER_PORT 	80
SERVER_ADDR 	64.81.200.135
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/home/www/cfsg.org
PYTHONPATH 	/usr/local/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin//confirm
SERVER_ADMIN 	webmaster at cfsg.org
HTTP_HOST 	cfsg.org
REQUEST_URI 	/cgi-bin/mailman/confirm/cfsg-forum
HTTP_ACCEPT
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1
REMOTE_ADDR 	64.81.200.33
CONTENT_TYPE 	application/x-www-form-urlencoded
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip,deflate
UNIQUE_ID 	QCC6Hn8AAAEAACHwHCI
PATH_INFO 	/cfsg-forum



From dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk  Wed Feb  4 12:48:39 2004
From: dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk (David W Smith)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:48:39 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving from mm 2.0.13 to 2.1.4; query about aliases
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402041110080.14600@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>

Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone can help me sort out the aliases setup for Mailman
2.1.4, to complete a move from v2.0.13 on a Solaris 8 box running NIS and
Exim v4. I'm doing a fresh install rather than an upgrade.

When I installed v2.0.13 I placed aliases as follows in my NIS aliases
file:

mailman:        support
mailman-owner:  mailman
mailman.account:        mailman
mailman-request:        mailman
mailman-admin:  mailman

And that's all.

I've done a test install of 2.1.4 on another Solaris box and when I run
the newlist script I'm asked to add entries to /etc/aliases, like these below:


mailman:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
mailman-admin:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
mailman-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
mailman-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
mailman-join:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
mailman-leave:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
mailman-owner:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
mailman-request:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
mailman-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"

I have 45 mailing lists so it looks like I'll have to add the above 10
lines for each list! My questions are:

1) can these 10 lines be added for each mailing list created to the NIS
aliases file (or can it only be /etc/aliases)?

2) is there an equivalent for v2.1.4 aliases akin to the simplicity of the
5 lines added to the NIS aliases file for v2.0.13?

Thanks for any ideas/insights/suggestions.

David Smith

University of Oxford



From jp at warpix.org  Wed Feb  4 13:24:24 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:24:24 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
Message-ID: <20040204122424.A81@warpix.org>



Is there any way to configure a list so that a reply gets sent back to the 
list rather than the original sender?

-- 
John





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Feb  4 13:25:35 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:25:35 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving from mm 2.0.13 to 2.1.4;
	query about aliases
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402041110080.14600@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402041110080.14600@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3BBBA714-570D-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 4 Feb 2004, at 11:48, David W Smith wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering if anyone can help me sort out the aliases setup for 
> Mailman
> 2.1.4, to complete a move from v2.0.13 on a Solaris 8 box running NIS 
> and
> Exim v4. I'm doing a fresh install rather than an upgrade.
>
> When I installed v2.0.13 I placed aliases as follows in my NIS aliases
> file:
>
> mailman:        support
> mailman-owner:  mailman
> mailman.account:        mailman
> mailman-request:        mailman
> mailman-admin:  mailman
>
> And that's all.
>
> I've done a test install of 2.1.4 on another Solaris box and when I run
> the newlist script I'm asked to add entries to /etc/aliases, like 
> these below:
>
>
> mailman:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
> mailman-admin:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
> mailman-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces 
> mailman"
> mailman-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm 
> mailman"
> mailman-join:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
> mailman-leave:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
> mailman-owner:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
> mailman-request:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request 
> mailman"
> mailman-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe 
> mailman"
> mailman-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe 
> mailman"
>
> I have 45 mailing lists so it looks like I'll have to add the above 10
> lines for each list! My questions are:
>
> 1) can these 10 lines be added for each mailing list created to the NIS
> aliases file (or can it only be /etc/aliases)?
>
> 2) is there an equivalent for v2.1.4 aliases akin to the simplicity of 
> the
> 5 lines added to the NIS aliases file for v2.0.13?
>
> Thanks for any ideas/insights/suggestions.

Yes; check out the 3rd and 4th paragraphs under the heading "UPGRADING 
FROM 2.0.x to 2.1" in the file called UPGRADING in your Mailman 2.1.4 
build directory.

Basically, it tells you there is a script called $prefix/bin/genaliases 
which will generate the revised aliases for your existing lists. When 
you subsequently create new lists with $prefix/bin/newlist you will get 
the revised 2.1.x aliases output to you rather than the old 2.0.x style 
aliases.

>
> David Smith
>
> University of Oxford
>




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb  4 13:28:04 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 04 Feb 2004 07:28:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I stop members' replies from going to
	all	other members?
In-Reply-To: <D45F3E4E-56D5-11D8-A7AA-000393D6DF68@brainstormdesign.net>
References: <D45F3E4E-56D5-11D8-A7AA-000393D6DF68@brainstormdesign.net>
Message-ID: <1075897683.3140.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 00:48, Ken Adcock wrote:
> I have a newsletter type of list that I set up for the first time last 
> night. It looked like it worked fine so I blasted out a "Welcome to the 
> List" message to all of the members. this morning they started replying 
> with thank yous, but those replies are going out to everyone. I would 
> like replies to go only to the "Explicit Reply Address". I thought I 
> had set that up.
> 
> If it makes a difference, I am posting to an umbrella list that 
> contains only two other lists as members. I have set the "Explicit 
> reply" in all three lists.
> 
> hope you guys can help me.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ken Adcock

You might want to set the moderation bit on your lists.  That would at
least stop the replies that are going directly to the list while you
look for the solution.

Could it simply be that your users are smart enough (or their MTA's are
smart enough) to respond to the actual list, over-riding the "reply to"?




From remko at elvandar.org  Wed Feb  4 14:23:07 2004
From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:23:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <20040204122555.C308017@mail.elvandar.org>
Message-ID: <20040204132231.1B9272B4D82@mail.evilcoder.org>

yes there is,
actually it is on the general page, which opens up here when you start the
administrative interface...
a carefull watch should have told you that there is this option:

Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended
for most mailing lists.
here you can select what you want,



--

Kind regards,

Remko Lodder
Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the
hackerscene

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens John Poltorak
Verzonden: woensdag 4 februari 2004 13:24
Aan: mailman-users at python.org
Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list




Is there any way to configure a list so that a reply gets sent back to the
list rather than the original sender?

--
John



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From jp at warpix.org  Wed Feb  4 14:28:02 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:28:02 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <20040204132231.1B9272B4D82@mail.evilcoder.org>;
	from Remko Lodder on Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 02:23:07PM +0100
References: <20040204122555.C308017@mail.elvandar.org>
	<20040204132231.1B9272B4D82@mail.evilcoder.org>
Message-ID: <20040204132802.F81@warpix.org>

On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 02:23:07PM +0100, Remko Lodder wrote:
> yes there is,
> actually it is on the general page, which opens up here when you start the
> administrative interface...
> a carefull watch should have told you that there is this option:
> 
> Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended
> for most mailing lists.
> here you can select what you want,

I thought there would be an option, but I just didn't see where it was.

Is there any way to make 'This list' the default option? 


 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Remko Lodder
> Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
> www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the
> hackerscene
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens John Poltorak
> Verzonden: woensdag 4 februari 2004 13:24
> Aan: mailman-users at python.org
> Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Is there any way to configure a list so that a reply gets sent back to the
> list rather than the original sender?


-- 
John





From remko at elvandar.org  Wed Feb  4 14:38:22 2004
From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:38:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <20040204133012.8387416@mail.elvandar.org>
Message-ID: <20040204133746.F21CF2B4D82@mail.evilcoder.org>

Yes, checkout Defaults.py in the Mailman dir, and put the setting in your
mm_cfg.py

looking in that we find:

# Mailman can be configured to "munge" Reply-To: headers for any passing
# messages.  One the one hand, there are a lot of good reasons not to munge
# Reply-To: but on the other, people really seem to want this feature.  See
# the help for reply_goes_to_list in the web UI for links discussing the
# issue.
# 0 - Reply-To: not munged
# 1 - Reply-To: set back to the list
# 2 - Reply-To: set to an explicit value (reply_to_address)
DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 0

# Mailman can be configured to strip any existing Reply-To: header, or
simply
# extend any existing Reply-To: with one based on the above setting.
DEFAULT_FIRST_STRIP_REPLY_TO = No


i think you are going to adjust these settings in mm_cfg.py to override
these
default settings.
p.s do not change anything in Defaults.py , always use mm_cfg.py for that
    also note that this goes for every _new_ list you create. (so you have
    to be in control of mailman, if you have this via a hosting company,
    i think that says : Though luck...)


Cheers

--

Kind regards,

Remko Lodder
Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the
hackerscene

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens John Poltorak
Verzonden: woensdag 4 februari 2004 14:28
Aan: mailman-users at python.org
Onderwerp: Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list


On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 02:23:07PM +0100, Remko Lodder wrote:
> yes there is,
> actually it is on the general page, which opens up here when you start the
> administrative interface...
> a carefull watch should have told you that there is this option:
>
> Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly
recommended
> for most mailing lists.
> here you can select what you want,

I thought there would be an option, but I just didn't see where it was.

Is there any way to make 'This list' the default option?



>
>
> --
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Remko Lodder
> Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
> www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the
> hackerscene
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens John Poltorak
> Verzonden: woensdag 4 februari 2004 13:24
> Aan: mailman-users at python.org
> Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
>
>
>
>
> Is there any way to configure a list so that a reply gets sent back to the
> list rather than the original sender?


--
John



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From adamh at harvestweb.net  Wed Feb  4 16:06:12 2004
From: adamh at harvestweb.net (adamh at harvestweb.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:06:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe
Message-ID: <.209.137.247.194.1075907172.squirrel@www.harvestweb.net>





From dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk  Wed Feb  4 16:30:56 2004
From: dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk (David W Smith)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:30:56 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving from mm 2.0.13 to 2.1.4; query about
	aliases
In-Reply-To: <3BBBA714-570D-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402041110080.14600@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>
	<3BBBA714-570D-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402041524420.14600@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Richard Barrett wrote:

>
> On 4 Feb 2004, at 11:48, David W Smith wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm wondering if anyone can help me sort out the aliases setup for
> > Mailman
> > 2.1.4, to complete a move from v2.0.13 on a Solaris 8 box running NIS
> > and
> > Exim v4. I'm doing a fresh install rather than an upgrade.
> >
> > When I installed v2.0.13 I placed aliases as follows in my NIS aliases
> > file:
> >
> > mailman:        support
> > mailman-owner:  mailman
> > mailman.account:        mailman
> > mailman-request:        mailman
> > mailman-admin:  mailman
> >
> > And that's all.
> >
> > I've done a test install of 2.1.4 on another Solaris box and when I run
> > the newlist script I'm asked to add entries to /etc/aliases, like
> > these below:
> >
> >
> > mailman:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
> > mailman-admin:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
> > mailman-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces
> > mailman"
> > mailman-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm
> > mailman"
> > mailman-join:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
> > mailman-leave:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
> > mailman-owner:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
> > mailman-request:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request
> > mailman"
> > mailman-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
> > mailman"
> > mailman-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
> > mailman"
> >
> > I have 45 mailing lists so it looks like I'll have to add the above 10
> > lines for each list! My questions are:
> >
> > 1) can these 10 lines be added for each mailing list created to the NIS
> > aliases file (or can it only be /etc/aliases)?
> >
> > 2) is there an equivalent for v2.1.4 aliases akin to the simplicity of
> > the
> > 5 lines added to the NIS aliases file for v2.0.13?
> >
> > Thanks for any ideas/insights/suggestions.
>
> Yes; check out the 3rd and 4th paragraphs under the heading "UPGRADING
> FROM 2.0.x to 2.1" in the file called UPGRADING in your Mailman 2.1.4
> build directory.
>
> Basically, it tells you there is a script called $prefix/bin/genaliases
> which will generate the revised aliases for your existing lists. When
> you subsequently create new lists with $prefix/bin/newlist you will get
> the revised 2.1.x aliases output to you rather than the old 2.0.x style
> aliases.

-- Thanks. I've just tested this by installing mm 2.0.13 on a test server
and then then moving up to v2.1.4. So it does seem that with my production
2.0.13 install I have 5 lines in my NIS aliases files but for the 2.1.4
install this file will have 450 extra lines - 10 for each of my 45 mailing
list!

David Smith



From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Wed Feb  4 16:38:09 2004
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 04 Feb 2004 16:38:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving from mm 2.0.13 to 2.1.4;
	query about aliases
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402041524420.14600@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402041110080.14600@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>
	<3BBBA714-570D-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0402041524420.14600@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <soylent-green-mm-m2fzdq4zz2.fsf@neubauer-cvk.charite.de>

David W Smith <dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk> writes:

> but for the 2.1.4 install this file will have 450 extra lines - 10
> for each of my 45 mailing list!

Yes.


Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Detlef Neubauer
-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From marshall at livemodern.com  Wed Feb  4 16:50:04 2004
From: marshall at livemodern.com (Marshall Mayer)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:50:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL Bounce action notification
Message-ID: <CC664598-5729-11D8-ACC8-000A95C56D22@livemodern.com>

I am getting the following bounce notification for all of my AOL users, 
and I don't know why. They are able to receive emails from my list, but 
then after a while they stop being delivered (for unknown reasons), and 
then I get this notice. I have to turn on each of their accounts again, 
only to repeat the cycle.

Does anyone know why I am getting a "4.0.0 server refused mail service" 
message from AOL? My Mailman is a very straightforward setup.

Marshall

> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: mailman at marshallmayer.org
>> Date: January 23, 2004 1:18:38 AM MST
>> To: 4maniacs-owner at marshallmayer.org
>> Subject: Bounce action notification
>>
>> This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:
>>
>>     List:       4Maniacs
>>     Member:     HazenA3 at aol.com
>>     Action:     Subscription disabled.
>>     Reason:     Excessive or fatal bounces.
>>
>>
>>
>> The triggering bounce notice is attached below.
>>
>> Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at
>> mailman at marshallmayer.org.
>>
>> From: MAILER-DAEMON at marshallmayer.org (Mail Delivery System)
>> Date: January 23, 2004 1:17:48 AM MST
>> To: 4maniacs-bounces at marshallmayer.org
>> Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
>>
>>
>> This is the Postfix program at host marshallmayer.org.
>>
>> I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
>> below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
>>
>> For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>
>>
>> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
>> delete your own text from the message returned below.
>>
>> 			The Postfix program
>>
>> <HazenA3 at aol.com>: connect to mailin-04.mx.aol.com[205.188.159.217]: 
>> server
>>     refused mail service
>>
>> Reporting-MTA: dns; marshallmayer.org
>> Arrival-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:30:18 -0700 (MST)
>>
>> Final-Recipient: rfc822; HazenA3 at aol.com
>> Action: failed
>> Status: 4.0.0
>> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; connect to 
>> mailin-04.mx.aol.com[205.188.159.217]:
>> 	server refused mail service
>>
>> From: Ian Read <benzjunkie at yahoo.ca>
>> Date: January 18, 2004 12:30:13 AM MST
>> To: 4MANIACS List Server <4maniacs at marshallmayer.org>
>> Subject: [4Maniacs] OVP Problems
>> Reply-To: MB 4Matics <4maniacs at marshallmayer.org>
>>
>>
>> I did a quick search for OVP via google and found this,
>> blah, blah blah...

From jsingh at fdu.edu  Wed Feb  4 17:54:08 2004
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:54:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Newlist
Message-ID: <000d01c3eb3f$84d27d40$7d0bee84@FDUJACK>

Hi Guys

 In the older versions of mailman I could use the -o option in the newlist
command to send the output to an alias file, how can u accomplish that in
Mailman 2.1.3 thanks

 

 

Jaskaran Singh

University Systems & Security

Fairleigh Dickinson University

1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01

Teaneck, NJ 07666

 



From fcbaer at bemorecreative.com  Tue Feb  3 15:35:14 2004
From: fcbaer at bemorecreative.com (FCBAER)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:35:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to Change-Case on listerv name
Message-ID: <401FB1A2.4040707@bemorecreative.com>

Dear Mailman;

I've recently installed mailman and am quite happy with the results. 
Thanks for a great (and free) program.

My only complaint and question, is how to I change the capitalization of 
the listserv name. The funtion is there to do it, but it just doesn't 
work for me.
I am trying to change Ccih-aids to CCIH-AIDS (or ccih-aids), but it 
keeps telling be that is an illegal operaiton and reverting to Ccih-aids.

I searched the discussion board and found a couple of other people 
asking the same question, but could not finda a response.

Thanks for any assistance that you can provide.

Regards,

FRANK
Webmaster CCIH.ORG




From ken at brainstormdesign.net  Tue Feb  3 17:22:11 2004
From: ken at brainstormdesign.net (Ken Adcock)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 11:22:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I stop members' replies from going to all
	other members?
Message-ID: <1EF1DB6E-5665-11D8-A7AA-000393D6DF68@brainstormdesign.net>

I have a newsletter type of list that I set up for the first time last  
night. It looked like it worked fine so I blasted out a "Welcome to the  
List" message to all of the members. this morning they started replying  
with thank yous, but those replies are going out to everyone. I would  
like replies to go only to the "Explicit Reply Address". I thought I  
had set that up.

If it makes a difference, I am posting to an umbrella list that  
contains only two other lists as members. I have set the "Explicit  
reply" in all three lists.

hope you guys can help me.

Thanks,
Ken Adcock

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Tel: 843-345-9196
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  intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited.
If you have received this message in error, please notify
  the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies.
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From joe at absolutecomm.com  Wed Feb  4 06:01:39 2004
From: joe at absolutecomm.com (Joe)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:01:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do we send to people in the mailing list?
Message-ID: <002f01c3eadc$0b6d8f20$6401a8c0@matt2000>

Hello, we are running Mailman 2.1.1

I can't find how to send emails to people on the list?  Please advise.

Thanks...

Joe

From steve at tako.co.nz  Tue Feb  3 21:32:44 2004
From: steve at tako.co.nz (Steve Cook)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:32:44 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: subscribing per email
Message-ID: <4020BC3C.23958.5810BC2@localhost>

These also seem to work, and I think (please correct me if I'm 
wrong) some spam filters keep a look out for the words 
"subscribe" and "unsubscribe"

News-join at palmettomontessori.com
News-leave at palmettomontessori.com

Note also that:

News-help at palmettomontessori.com

will return a list of email commands to you. See also:

http://www.webengr.com/services/internet_servers/list/mailma
n/email_commands.html


Cheers
Steve


On 3 Feb 2004 at 14:06, Paul H Byerly wrote:

> Ken Adcock wrote:
> >This is probably such a basic question that it didn't make it into the
> >documentation. If someone wants to subscribe per email to 
my list at
> >News at palmettomontessori.com what do they write in the 
email? I tried
> >"subscribe" in the subject line, but the admin settings 
though that the
> >person wanted to submit a POST. Can you help?
> >Ken
> 
>       No command needed, but you have to use the right 
address.  Try:
> News-subscribe at palmettomontessori.com
> News-unsubscribe at palmettomontessori.com
> 
>       A confirmation e-mail will be sent in both cases.
> 
> <>< Paul



From newsletter at ps-stores.com  Tue Feb  3 23:34:21 2004
From: newsletter at ps-stores.com (PS newsletter)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:34:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one-way list
Message-ID: <000801c3eaa5$deab7d70$0500a8c0@ReddmooreInc>

Hi,

I am a customer with Hostway and I am trying to use Mailman as a newsletter/announcement/one-way list. I have contacted Hostway regarding your instructions 3.11. with no avail. Is there a way to modify Mailman through Hostways' Sitecontrol to achieve this?

Thanks,
Pete

From thosgroups at thosmos.com  Wed Feb  4 04:00:16 2004
From: thosgroups at thosmos.com (Thomas Spellman)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:00:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max OS X & postfix 1 problems
Message-ID: <1075862517.4785.29.camel@localhost>

I've followed the directions for setting up mailman 2.1.4 with postfix
1.1.12 on Mac OS X client 10.2 from the README.POSTFIX file.

When I add a new list via the cgi interface, the mailman aliases file is
updated, but I get the following error:



Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!


Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/Users/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in process_request
    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 234, in create
    _update_maps()
  File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 54, in _update_maps
    raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /sw/sbin/postalias /Users/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)



Wen I run postalias from the command line as the mailman user, I get
this error:

su-2.05a$ pwd
/Users/mailman/data
su-2.05a$ postalias aliases
postalias: fatal: unsupported map type: db


It seems to work if I do:
su-2.05a$ postalias hash:aliases
su-2.05a$

But if I edit the file,  /Users/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, and add the hash: to the postalias command, like the following, it doesn't solve the problem:

def _update_maps():
    msg = 'command failed: %s (status: %s, %s)'
    acmd = mm_cfg.POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD + ' hash:' + ALIASFILE
#    acmd = mm_cfg.POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD + ' ' + ALIASFILE
    status = (os.system(acmd) >> 8) & 0xff
    if status:
        errstr = os.strerror(status)
        syslog('error', msg, acmd, status, errstr)
        raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
    if os.path.exists(VIRTFILE):
        vcmd = mm_cfg.POSTFIX_MAP_CMD + ' hash:' + VIRTFILE
#        vcmd = mm_cfg.POSTFIX_MAP_CMD + ' ' + VIRTFILE
        status = (os.system(vcmd) >> 8) & 0xff
        if status:
            errstr = os.strerror(status)
            syslog('error', msg, vcmd, status, errstr)
            raise RuntimeError, msg % (vcmd, status, errstr)
                                                                                
                                                                                
What am I doing wrong?  I compiled mailman with --with-cgi-gid=www (the user apache runs as) and --with-mail-gid=daemon

T




From Jens at redbox.de  Wed Feb  4 17:29:04 2004
From: Jens at redbox.de (Jens Schliecker)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:29:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.8 password change @SuSE 7.1
Message-ID: <009f01c3eb3c$04a76430$0c000006@xp>

Hi, I have a big problem. I have to moderate a newsletter system running
with mailman at SuSE 7.1. I haven't the PW for the user mailman on the
machine. So I changed the PW for mailman. Now I have the problem that
the mailing list doesn't work until I changed the PW. I can't log in at
web-interface to make changes at the list. Nobody can subscribe our
newsletter because mailman is out of work at the moment
 
Please help and sorry for my bad English.
 
Best Regards
 
Jens
 


From jesse at skybuilders.com  Wed Feb  4 18:56:18 2004
From: jesse at skybuilders.com (Jesse Burkhardt)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 12:56:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-owner routing confusion
Message-ID: <40213242.40407@skybuilders.com>

Is anyone conversant with an intermittent problem with list owner 
notifications? What I have been expecriencing is that in an installation 
of Mailman, having multiple lists with different list owners (whose 
email accounts are maintained on a different mail server), sometimes 
certain list owners recieve notifications from lists which they are not 
the owners.

I have a config using Sendmail:

[appended to /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py]
MTA = None

I added the following to the Sendmail /etc/mail/access file (for 
spam/access control):

# Need these for our Mailman list server routing
lists.bopnews.org RELAY

** Also, there are no viruser/generics mappings since we a routing the 
mail domain (not using localdomains)

Thanks.

-- 

 Jesse Burkhardt, Cambridge MA
 jesse at skybuilders.com  (w) 617-876-5680
 goose at aerogoose.com    (h) 617-354-5523





From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Feb  4 19:02:01 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:02:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to Change-Case on listerv name
In-Reply-To: <401FB1A2.4040707@bemorecreative.com>
References: <401FB1A2.4040707@bemorecreative.com>
Message-ID: <20040204180201.GK3731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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FCBAER wrote:
> My only complaint and question, is how to I change the
> capitalization of the listserv name. The funtion is there to do it,
> but it just doesn't work for me.  I am trying to change Ccih-aids to
> CCIH-AIDS (or ccih-aids), but it keeps telling be that is an illegal
> operaiton and reverting to Ccih-aids.

Are you getting an error like this?

    Error: real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the
    list's name by case only.

And if yes, are you on a site hosted using cPanel software?

> I searched the discussion board and found a couple of other people
> asking the same question, but could not finda a response.

If the above error describes you situation, then the answer has been
given many times.  Searching the archives on mail-archive.com I get a
lot of hits when I put "real_name attribute not changed" in the search
field.  Here's a link that will bring up the many hits for that
search:

    http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&config=mailman-users_python_org&restrict=&exclude=&words=real_name+attribute+not+changed

Basically, this is usually (well, the only times I've ever seen it) a
cPanel induced bug.  Bitch to your web host about letting cPanel muck
up the mailman code, cause errors, and then have that reflect badly on
the hard work done by the mailman developers.

If you are getting a different error, then post the error and maybe
someone here will have more information for you.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
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work to do.
    -- Jerome K. Jerome

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From jsingh at fdu.edu  Wed Feb  4 19:06:03 2004
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:06:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Newlist
In-Reply-To: <000d01c3eb3f$84d27d40$7d0bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <00ab01c3eb49$912d7040$7d0bee84@FDUJACK>

If I can't do that how can I change the newlist file so that I can not have
the extra text that comes along with the aliases ?
thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of jsingh
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:54 AM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Newlist

Hi Guys

 In the older versions of mailman I could use the -o option in the newlist
command to send the output to an alias file, how can u accomplish that in
Mailman 2.1.3 thanks

 

 

Jaskaran Singh

University Systems & Security

Fairleigh Dickinson University

1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01

Teaneck, NJ 07666

 

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From jsmith at smittybuilt.com  Wed Feb  4 19:22:03 2004
From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:22:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: subscribing per email
Message-ID: <E2B127624F61F94DAD2240930029D0A401137E@cel-533.smittybuilt.com>

Ken, Steve,

If you are worried about getting denied/filtered for the words
subscribe, join, or leave, then you could just add an alias in the alias
file to point to the same process as the one you want but with a
modified email addy.

Currently its something like this;
listname-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
listname"

Change it to;
listname-anything_you_like_here:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
subscribe listname"

That I think would still work and not get cuahgt by any filter unless
they adjust it just to catch you.

Just an idea
Joe


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Cook
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 12:33 PM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: subscribing per email

These also seem to work, and I think (please correct me if I'm 
wrong) some spam filters keep a look out for the words 
"subscribe" and "unsubscribe"

News-join at palmettomontessori.com
News-leave at palmettomontessori.com

Note also that:

News-help at palmettomontessori.com

will return a list of email commands to you. See also:

http://www.webengr.com/services/internet_servers/list/mailma
n/email_commands.html


Cheers
Steve


On 3 Feb 2004 at 14:06, Paul H Byerly wrote:

> Ken Adcock wrote:
> >This is probably such a basic question that it didn't make it into
the
> >documentation. If someone wants to subscribe per email to 
my list at
> >News at palmettomontessori.com what do they write in the 
email? I tried
> >"subscribe" in the subject line, but the admin settings 
though that the
> >person wanted to submit a POST. Can you help?
> >Ken
> 
>       No command needed, but you have to use the right 
address.  Try:
> News-subscribe at palmettomontessori.com
> News-unsubscribe at palmettomontessori.com
> 
>       A confirmation e-mail will be sent in both cases.
> 
> <>< Paul

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From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Feb  4 18:46:42 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:46:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] commenting out code in listinfo.html
Message-ID: <006701c3eb46$d9501c90$0b7a799f@chris>

I wanted to comment out the section in the listinfo.html file that refers to
the archives. I am referring to the /lists/templates/en/listinfo.html global
template file. When I do this, the "Introductory Description" no longer
displays. As soon as I remove this comment, the description displays. Is
there something that I need to know about code that is not allowed in the
template files?


<!-- Comment out Archives section
       <tr>

         <td colspan="2">
      <P><MM-List-Info></P>
     <p> To see the collection of prior postings to the list,
         visit the <MM-Archive><MM-List-Name>
        Archives</MM-Archive>.
         <MM-Restricted-List-Message>
     </p>
   </TD>
      </TR>

-->





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb  4 20:04:47 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 04 Feb 2004 14:04:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.8 password change @SuSE 7.1
In-Reply-To: <009f01c3eb3c$04a76430$0c000006@xp>
References: <009f01c3eb3c$04a76430$0c000006@xp>
Message-ID: <1075921487.3157.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 11:29, Jens Schliecker wrote:
> Hi, I have a big problem. I have to moderate a newsletter system running
> with mailman at SuSE 7.1. I haven't the PW for the user mailman on the
> machine. So I changed the PW for mailman. Now I have the problem that
> the mailing list doesn't work until I changed the PW. I can't log in at
> web-interface to make changes at the list. Nobody can subscribe our
> newsletter because mailman is out of work at the moment
>  
> Please help and sorry for my bad English.
>  
> Best Regards
>  
> Jens

The FAQ has a write up of the various passwords... but in general what
you want is to login to the box and reset the master password for
Mailman:
  ~mailman/bin/mmsitepass

That will give you access to administer all the lists *and* to reset
each lists individual administrative password.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb  4 20:32:01 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 04 Feb 2004 14:32:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] commenting out code in listinfo.html
In-Reply-To: <006701c3eb46$d9501c90$0b7a799f@chris>
References: <006701c3eb46$d9501c90$0b7a799f@chris>
Message-ID: <1075923121.3157.34.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I think the problem may stem from your putting in widely separated html
coding into a file that is going to be expanded into real html (and may
already contain comments!)

Simply delete the items you don't want to show up for this list.  For
example if you delete the "<MM-Archive>" key then mailman will not
replace this with a block of information or a link to the lists
archives.

Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 12:46, Christopher Adams wrote:
> I wanted to comment out the section in the listinfo.html file that refers to
> the archives. I am referring to the /lists/templates/en/listinfo.html global
> template file. When I do this, the "Introductory Description" no longer
> displays. As soon as I remove this comment, the description displays. Is
> there something that I need to know about code that is not allowed in the
> template files?
> 
> 
> <!-- Comment out Archives section
>        <tr>
> 
>          <td colspan="2">
>       <P><MM-List-Info></P>
>      <p> To see the collection of prior postings to the list,
>          visit the <MM-Archive><MM-List-Name>
>         Archives</MM-Archive>.
>          <MM-Restricted-List-Message>
>      </p>
>    </TD>
>       </TR>
> 
> -->
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
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From sean at 2sparrows.org  Wed Feb  4 20:43:44 2004
From: sean at 2sparrows.org (Sean Butler)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:43:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] group mismatch error
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040204144003.0332a7b0@127.0.0.1>


Here is the error I continue to get, no matter what I try:

Feb  4 14:37:10 east postfix/local[77072]: 0EC763E4B: 
to=<church at 2sparrows.org>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command 
died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post church". Command 
output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to 
be executed as group "daemon", but the system's mail server executed the 
mail script as group "mailman".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the 
script as group "daemon", or re-run configure,  providing the command line 
option `--with-mail-gid=mailman'. )


Here is what I have done since I first started getting this:

1.  make deinstall; make --with-mail-gid=mailman; make instll

	still same problem

2.  modified the /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman file to look like
     this:

	-rwxrwsr-x  1 root  mailman  18504 Feb  3 16:16 mailman

     It was group dameon before.  After the change, I still get the
     same errors.

3.  Ran check_perms with a -f:

	directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/lists/church (fixing)
        /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bad group (has: daemon, expected 
mailman) (fixing)

      Still the same error as above.


check_perms now shows no errros, yet I still can't send mail to 
church at 2sparrows.org.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Sean
   





From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Wed Feb  4 20:55:45 2004
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:55:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] group mismatch error
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040204144003.0332a7b0@127.0.0.1>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040204144003.0332a7b0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <1F30FDA0-574C-11D8-B0BB-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>


On Feb 4, 2004, at 1:43 PM, Sean Butler wrote:

>
> Here is the error I continue to get, no matter what I try:
> ...or re-run configure,  providing the command line option 
> `--with-mail-gid=mailman'. )


> Here is what I have done since I first started getting this:
>
> 1.  make deinstall; make --with-mail-gid=mailman; make instll
>


Not knowing what OS you're using, I don't know if this is an issue or 
not, but the expected fix is to run ./configure 
--with-mail-gid=mailman, not make. That worked for me.

DP




From sean at 2sparrows.org  Wed Feb  4 20:58:03 2004
From: sean at 2sparrows.org (Sean Butler)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:58:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] group mismatch error
In-Reply-To: <1F30FDA0-574C-11D8-B0BB-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040204144003.0332a7b0@127.0.0.1>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20040204144003.0332a7b0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040204145734.0329aa68@east.2sparrows.org>

At 02:55 PM 2/4/2004, Dan Phillips wrote:


>On Feb 4, 2004, at 1:43 PM, Sean Butler wrote:
>
>>
>>Here is the error I continue to get, no matter what I try:
>>...or re-run configure,  providing the command line option 
>>`--with-mail-gid=mailman'. )
>
>
>>Here is what I have done since I first started getting this:
>>
>>1.  make deinstall; make --with-mail-gid=mailman; make instll
>
>
>Not knowing what OS you're using, I don't know if this is an issue or not, 
>but the expected fix is to run ./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman, not 
>make. That worked for me.

I'm running FreeBSD and used ports.  I can't figure out how to get 
./configure to work with ports though!  Any ideas?

/Sean





From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Feb  4 21:38:06 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:38:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>

Remko Lodder wrote:
>actually it is on the general page, which opens up here when you start the
>administrative interface...
>a carefull watch should have told you that there is this option:
>
>Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended
>for most mailing lists.

      I have never understood why this poster is recommended, nor why it is 
the default.  I've been on a lot of lists, on a lot of systems, and have 
never been on one that defaults to sending a response only to the author of 
the post I am replying to.

<>< Paul



From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Feb  4 21:59:36 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:59:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: AOL Bounce action notification
In-Reply-To: <E1AoQR4-00049y-Se@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AoQR4-00049y-Se@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040204145348.02b5cfd0@mail.thcwd.com>

At 11:03 AM 2/4/2004, you wrote:
>Does anyone know why I am getting a "4.0.0 server refused mail service"
>message from AOL? My Mailman is a very straightforward setup.

      Never had one of those, and I have a lot of AOL users.  My first 
guess would be some spam rejection system.  AOL resets their proprietary 
open relays and proxies lists daily, do maybe that, explains why resetting 
the accounts results in mail for a while.
      Head over to the AOL postmaster site and go from there 
http://postmaster.info.aol.com/trouble/index.html .

<>< Paul



From sean at 2sparrows.org  Wed Feb  4 22:03:03 2004
From: sean at 2sparrows.org (Sean Butler)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:03:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] group mismatch error
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040204144003.0332a7b0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040204160033.033a8ac0@east.2sparrows.org>

At 02:43 PM 2/4/2004, Sean Butler wrote:


>Here is the error I continue to get, no matter what I try:
>
>Feb  4 14:37:10 east postfix/local[77072]: 0EC763E4B: 
>to=<church at 2sparrows.org>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command 
>died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post church". Command 
>output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to 
>be executed as group "daemon", but the system's mail server executed the 
>mail script as group "mailman".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the 
>script as group "daemon", or re-run configure,  providing the command line 
>option `--with-mail-gid=mailman'. )
>
>
>Here is what I have done since I first started getting this:
>
>1.  make deinstall; make --with-mail-gid=mailman; make instll
>
>         still same problem
>
>2.  modified the /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman file to look like
>     this:
>
>         -rwxrwsr-x  1 root  mailman  18504 Feb  3 16:16 mailman
>
>     It was group dameon before.  After the change, I still get the
>     same errors.
>
>3.  Ran check_perms with a -f:
>
>         directory permissions must be 02775: 
> /usr/local/mailman/lists/church (fixing)
>        /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bad group (has: daemon, expected 
> mailman) (fixing)
>
>      Still the same error as above.
>
>
>check_perms now shows no errros, yet I still can't send mail to 
>church at 2sparrows.org.

Well, I took a step backwards somehow... I ran "make deinstall" again, and 
then make with the -E option trying to set the with-mail-gid to mailman...

Well, I got through the full installation again, but now when I try to 
create a list, I get:

Error: Unknown virtual host: www.2sparrows.org


I'm pretty sure I had this at some point before and got around it, but I 
thought it was just updating mm_cfg.py with this line:

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['www.2sparrows.org','2sparrows.org']

Which I have.

So I'm not sure now.

/Sean





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Feb  4 22:29:48 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:29:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one-way list
In-Reply-To: <000801c3eaa5$deab7d70$0500a8c0@ReddmooreInc>
References: <000801c3eaa5$deab7d70$0500a8c0@ReddmooreInc>
Message-ID: <p0600202bbc4714752826@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:34 PM -0800 2004/02/03, PS newsletter wrote:

>  I am a customer with Hostway and I am trying to use Mailman as a
>  newsletter/announcement/one-way list. I have contacted Hostway
>  regarding your instructions 3.11. with no avail. Is there a way
>  to modify Mailman through Hostways' Sitecontrol to achieve this?

	Sounds like a problem with Hostway.  Talk to them about how to 
fix the problem.

	It also sounds like Hostway is causing problems for Mailman 
users, just like cPanel.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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From dan at langille.org  Thu Feb  5 06:23:07 2004
From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:23:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail comes in, never goes out
Message-ID: <40218CEB.14986.31E9D906@localhost>

Hi folks.

I'm running mailman-2.1.3 with postfix-2.0.16,1 on FreeBSD 4.9.  
Mailman was installed a few months ago.  A few days ago, mail stopped 
being delivered.  Viewing /var/log/maillog, I can see the mail is 
coming in, but never being delivered:

Feb  4 07:50:51 www postfix/local[90501]: 112D9DF0E4: 
to=<planning at lists.example.ca>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post planning")

The qrunners are running:

# ps auwx | grep qrun
mailman 65050  0.0  1.1  6784 5444  ??  SJ    8:23PM   0:00.84 
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 65051  0.0  1.1  6784 5444  ??  SJ    8:23PM   0:00.85 
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 65052  0.0  1.1  6788 5440  ??  SJ    8:23PM   0:00.88 
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 65053  0.0  1.1  7220 5852  ??  SJ    8:23PM   0:01.15 
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 65054  0.0  1.1  6796 5480  ??  SJ    8:23PM   0:00.79 
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 65055  0.0  1.1  6820 5504  ??  SJ    8:23PM   0:00.90 
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 65056  0.0  1.1  6780 5444  ??  SJ    8:23PM   0:01.03 
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
mailman 65057  0.0  1.1  6780 5444  ??  SJ    8:23PM   0:00.30 
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --
runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s

Nothing in the queue:

# mailq
Mail queue is empty

I have no idea.  Clues please?

Thanks
-- 
Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/
BSDCan - http://www.bsdcan.org/




From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Thu Feb  5 07:35:12 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 07:35:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

Paul H Byerly schrieb:

>       I have never understood why this poster is recommended, nor why it is 
> the default.  I've been on a lot of lists, on a lot of systems, and have 
> never been on one that defaults to sending a response only to the author of 
> the post I am replying to.

<http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html>

-thh




From mark at pdc-racing.net  Thu Feb  5 07:55:55 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:55:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>
	<alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
Message-ID: <5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>

On Feb 4, 2004, at 10:35 PM, Thomas Hochstein wrote:
>>       I have never understood why this poster is recommended, nor why 
>> it is
>> the default.  I've been on a lot of lists, on a lot of systems, and 
>> have
>> never been on one that defaults to sending a response only to the 
>> author of
>> the post I am replying to.
>
> <http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html>

This is totally ridiculous.

The document you reference is a long attempt at rationalizing why we 
shouldn't bother to try to make mail systems Do The Right Thing.

The tool should fit the job and not the other way around.

The next thing you're goint to tell me is that we should train computer 
users to not use spaces in file names, because "it makes things hard 
for the IT guys."

It's 2004.  Get over it.

- Mark, ex-IT guy, apparently grouchy tonight
-----
mark at pdc-racing.net




From lilc79 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 08:41:51 2004
From: lilc79 at yahoo.com (Li, LC)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:41:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not working
Message-ID: <20040205074151.44751.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com>

I installed mailman into redhat linux 9 using up2date and follwed all final installation instructions including restart apache, create site password, set DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST, create lists, start mailman daemon, add cron job... I can load every page from a browser, can create list, subscribe...
 
However, when I post to the the post address mylist at domain.com, it got bounced back because of unknown user "mylist". If I turn on my site's email catch feature I can get the email sent to mylist as regular email (forwarded to my mail email account), suggesting the mailman is not listening for incoming post. I restart mailman which make no difference. 
 
Any advice? Thank you.
 
Long 


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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Feb  5 08:51:11 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:51:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>
	<alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <1103F994-57B0-11D8-95FD-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>

those of us who do email for a living feel it's not a rationalization, 
and not ridiculous. But those that argue against it do.

Sorry, but the fact that you don't agree with it doesn't change my mind.


On Feb 4, 2004, at 10:55 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote:

> This is totally ridiculous.
>
> The document you reference is a long attempt at rationalizing why we 
> shouldn't bother to try to make mail systems Do The Right Thing.




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Feb  5 09:26:24 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:26:24 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not working
In-Reply-To: <20040205074151.44751.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040205074151.44751.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FC05B04B-57B4-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 5 Feb 2004, at 07:41, Li, LC wrote:

> I installed mailman

What version of Mailman? Which MTA are you running?

> into redhat linux 9 using up2date and follwed all final installation 
> instructions including restart apache, create site password, set 
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST, create lists, start mailman 
> daemon, add cron job...

But you may have missed adding the mail aliases for the lists to the 
MTA's alias files/database so that the MTA knows what to do with the 
incoming messages.

>  I can load every page from a browser, can create list, subscribe...
>
> However, when I post to the the post address mylist at domain.com, it got 
> bounced back because of unknown user "mylist". If I turn on my site's 
> email catch feature I can get the email sent to mylist as regular 
> email (forwarded to my mail email account), suggesting the mailman is 
> not listening for incoming post.

Mailman is probably "listening" but your MTA is not delivering, 
probably because it doesn't know the mail aliases for the lists you 
have created.

> I restart mailman which make no difference.
>
> Any advice? Thank you.
>
> Long 




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Feb  5 11:16:20 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:16:20 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not working
In-Reply-To: <20040205084645.61983.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040205084645.61983.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <577FBDE6-57C4-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 5 Feb 2004, at 08:46, Li, LC wrote:

> Hi Richard,
> ?
> I just installed Mailman today from?RedHat.

Do you mean you installed from RPM, if so the MM version is likely to 
be in the RPM name.

> I think it's the latest.

Rarely, if ever, is the latest stable version of MM available as an RH 
RPM, it usually seems to be on release behind. If all else fails, check 
the footers on the Mailman web interface, I think most of them 
stipulate the MM version being run.

> For MTA,??I use exim.

What version?

> ?
> I added the aliase generated by running newlist into /etc/aliases file 
> and run newaliases after adding that.

That is what I would have done but ...

> (is the a different file to add aliases to for exim?)

I'm a sendmail user so you may need more advice from an Exim (and 
possibly a RH) guru on the list.

> ?
> Thank you for reply.
> ?
> Long
> ?
> ?
> Richard Barrett <r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk>wrote:
> On 5 Feb 2004, at 07:41, Li, LC wrote:
>
> > I installed mailman
>
> What version of Mailman? Which MTA are you running?
>
> > into redhat linux 9 using up2date and follwed all final installation
> > instructions including restart apache, create site password, set
> > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST, create lists, start mailman
> > daemon, add cron job...
>
> But you may have missed adding the mail aliases for the lists to the
> MTA's alias files/database so that the MTA knows what to do with the
> incoming messages.
>
> > I can load every page from a browser, can create list, subscribe...
> >
> > However, when I post to the the post address mylist at domain.com, it 
> got
> > bounced back because of unknown user "mylist". If I turn on my site's
> > email catch feature I can get the email sent to mylist as regular
> > email (forwarded to my mail email account), suggesting the mailman is
> > not listening for incoming post.
>
> Mailman is probably "listening" but your MTA is not delivering,
> probably because it doesn't know the mail aliases for the lists you
> have created.
>
> > I restart mailman which make no difference.
> >
> > Any advice? Thank you.
> >
> > Long




From john at io.com  Thu Feb  5 13:01:43 2004
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 06:01:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>
	<alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <20040205120143.GC17141@io.com>

* Mark Dadgar <mark at pdc-racing.net> [2004-02-04 22:55:55 -0800]:
> This is totally ridiculous.
>
> The document you reference is a long attempt at rationalizing why we
> shouldn't bother to try to make mail systems Do The Right Thing.
>
> The tool should fit the job and not the other way around.

  I hate getting sucked into this argument, since it's been explained so
many times already (not to mention on the page you read), but...
  If the whole concept of information being irretrievably destroyed by
clobbering Reply-To: willy-nilly isn't a compelling reason to you, I'm
not sure what else to say.

> The next thing you're goint to tell me is that we should train
> computer users to not use spaces in file names, because "it makes
> things hard for the IT guys."
>
> It's 2004.  Get over it.

  Actually, I usually tell my new-to-CLI friends not to use spaces or
other special characters because it will make things hard for _them_
later...
  You're shoehorning a semi-reserved field-separator character into the
shoe of a regular character, and by doing so, you're dancing around
one of the basic design concepts of the entire CLI "thing", regardless
of what year you happen to be sitting at the terminal.  Can you do it?
Sure.  But _should_ you?  Well, that's up to you.

-- 
  John  ! The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
 Buttery! alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by
www.io.c! menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them
om/~john! imaginary. -- H.L. Mencken
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From bernd at firmix.at  Thu Feb  5 13:37:30 2004
From: bernd at firmix.at (Bernd Petrovitsch)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:37:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>
	<alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <1075984650.3031.6.camel@tara.firmix.at>

On Don, 2004-02-05 at 07:55, Mark Dadgar wrote:
> On Feb 4, 2004, at 10:35 PM, Thomas Hochstein wrote:
[...]
> > <http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html>
> 
> This is totally ridiculous.

No. Reply-To set to the list is evil (and for God's sake actually almost
no list I know of uses it).

> The document you reference is a long attempt at rationalizing why we 
> shouldn't bother to try to make mail systems Do The Right Thing.

It is up to the reader if he wants to reply to the list or the the
single poster. So you should have two buttons there: one for "reply"
which replies to the sender of the mail (which is the original sender
and not the maillist-mgr-software) and one for "list-reply" (if the mail
comes from a mailing list).

> The tool should fit the job and not the other way around.

Yes. Just choose a good MUA which supports you in doing your job.

> It's 2004.  Get over it.

Yes. And it should be clear that the user at the end gets the choice
(and not some overly-clever maillist admin in between interferes ....).

	Bernd
-- 
Firmix Software GmbH                   http://www.firmix.at/
mobil: +43 664 4416156                 fax: +43 1 7890849-55
          Embedded Linux Development and Services




From marco at metm.org  Thu Feb  5 14:20:46 2004
From: marco at metm.org (marco at metm.org)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:20:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Typeerror bug all over web interface
Message-ID: <20040205132046.GY7544@metm.org>

In many parts of the web interface I am getting the same mailman bug:
It started when confirming a subscription through the online interface:

  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 312, in
setMemberOption
    self.__mlist.user_options[memberkey] |= flag
  TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for |=: 'list' and 'int'

I fixed this by changing line 312 from above to :

self.__mlist.user_options[memberkey][0] |= flags

Now I can subscribe, but I get the same typeerror bug after logging
into my options page for this new subscription:

  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 128, in
getMemberOption
      return not not (option & flag)
  TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for &: 'list' and 'int'

Makes sense, fix it too, but I also get the same Typeerror when logging
into the admin page:

  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui/General.py", line 53, in
GetConfigInfo
    optvals = [mlist.new_member_options & bitfields[o] for o in OPTIONS]
  TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for &: 'list' and 'int'

Is something else wrong, or should I go and fix all these.  

I am running mailman 2.1.4 on debian testing with python2.3

-- 
Marco



From mailman-users-list at heise.de  Thu Feb  5 16:21:47 2004
From: mailman-users-list at heise.de (Michael Fischer v. Mollard)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:21:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange locking logs
Message-ID: <158530000.1075994507@[10.10.11.111]>

Hi!

I faced a couple of entry in log/locks, so I decided to turn 
LIST_LOCK_DEBUGGING on. I got entry like:

Feb 05 14:53:03 2004 (18281) XXX.lock laying claim
Feb 05 14:53:03 2004 (18281)   File 
"/opt/local/mailman-2.1/scripts/driver", line 223, in ?
Feb 05 14:53:03 2004 (18281)     run_main()
Feb 05 14:53:03 2004 (18281)   File 
"/opt/local/mailman-2.1/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
Feb 05 14:53:03 2004 (18281)     main()
Feb 05 14:53:03 2004 (18281)   File 
"/opt/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 91, in main
Feb 05 14:53:03 2004 (18281)     mlist.Lock()
Feb 05 14:53:03 2004 (18281)   File 
"/opt/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/MailList.py", line 159, in Lock
Feb 05 14:53:03 2004 (18281)     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
Feb 05 14:53:03 2004 (18281)   File 
"/opt/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 249, in lock
Feb 05 14:53:03 2004 (18281)     self.__writelog('laying claim')
Feb 05 14:53:03 2004 (18281)   File 
"/opt/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 416, in __writelog
Feb 05 14:53:03 2004 (18281)     traceback.print_stack(file=logf)
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (18281) XXX.lock got the lock
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (18281)   File 
"/opt/local/mailman-2.1/scripts/driver", line 223, in ?
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (18281)     run_main()
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (18281)   File 
"/opt/local/mailman-2.1/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (18281)     main()
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (18281)   File 
"/opt/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 91, in main
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (18281)     mlist.Lock()
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (18281)   File 
"/opt/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/MailList.py", line 159, in Lock
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (18281)     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (18281)   File 
"/opt/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 260, in lock
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (18281)     self.__writelog('got the lock')
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (18281)   File 
"/opt/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 416, in __writelog
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (18281)     traceback.print_stack(file=logf)
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (18281) XXX.lock unlocked
Feb 05 14:53:04 2004 (3982) XXX.lock lifetime has expired, breaking

This seems strange to me. Any hints?

Thanks
	Michael

-- 
Michael Fischer v. Mollard, Netzwerkadministration
Heise Zeitschriften Verlag GmbH & Co KG
Helstorfer Stra?e 7
D-30625 Hannover
Tel: +49 511 5352 477; Email: Michael.Fischer.von.Mollard at heise.de



From mburkett at kmvtechnologies.com  Thu Feb  5 16:51:22 2004
From: mburkett at kmvtechnologies.com (Mike Burkett)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:51:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Move a moderated message to another list?
Message-ID: <CAB10B66157A3A4184EDA545FE5228151DD9F0@kmvaus01.austin.kmvtechnologies.com>

Is there a way to move a moderated message to a new list and have it
still look like it came from the original sender?

 

The scenario is this:

-          I have a list announce at domain.com that is designated for
community wide announcements only and it is moderated

-          I have another list discuss at domain.com that is designated for
any other messages

-          From time to time someone posts (or tries to post) to the
announce list and I would like to be able to redirect the post and have
it go to the discuss list? I know I can do this with the web interface
and have it look like it comes from bounces-announce at domain.com, but I
really want it to come from the original sender.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

 



From dan at langille.org  Thu Feb  5 17:06:43 2004
From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:06:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail comes in, never goes out
In-Reply-To: <40218CEB.14986.31E9D906@localhost>
Message-ID: <402223C3.22681.532F81@localhost>

On 5 Feb 2004 at 0:23, Dan Langille wrote:

> Hi folks.
> 
> I'm running mailman-2.1.3 with postfix-2.0.16,1 on FreeBSD 4.9.  
> Mailman was installed a few months ago.  A few days ago, mail stopped 
> being delivered.  Viewing /var/log/maillog, I can see the mail is 
> coming in, but never being delivered:

This appears to be a known problem: http://www.mail-
archive.com/mailman-developers at python.org/msg06317.html

But the patch provide there does not fix the problem.  After 
patching, running unshunt gives this in mailman/log/error:

Feb 05 07:57:07 2004 (27060) Dequeuing message destined for missing 
list: planners
Feb 05 07:57:07 2004 (27060) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module 
name
Feb 05 07:57:07 2004 (27060) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in 
_oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in 
_onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 
130, in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 
153, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 90, in 
process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, 
in send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 304, 
in send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 311, 
in process
    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/__init__.py", line 84, in 
search_function
    globals(), locals(), _import_tail)
ValueError: Empty module name
-- 
Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/
BSDCan - http://www.bsdcan.org/




From sean at 2sparrows.org  Thu Feb  5 17:10:55 2004
From: sean at 2sparrows.org (Sean Butler)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:10:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] group mismatch error
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040204144003.0332a7b0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040205110129.02d9e4c8@east.2sparrows.org>

At 02:43 PM 2/4/2004, Sean Butler wrote:


>Here is the error I continue to get, no matter what I try:
>
>Feb  4 14:37:10 east postfix/local[77072]: 0EC763E4B: 
>to=<church at 2sparrows.org>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command 
>died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post church". Command 
>output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to 
>be executed as group "daemon", but the system's mail server executed the 
>mail script as group "mailman".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the 
>script as group "daemon", or re-run configure,  providing the command line 
>option `--with-mail-gid=mailman'. )
>
>
>Here is what I have done since I first started getting this:
>
>1.  make deinstall; make --with-mail-gid=mailman; make instll
>
>         still same problem
>
>2.  modified the /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman file to look like
>     this:
>
>         -rwxrwsr-x  1 root  mailman  18504 Feb  3 16:16 mailman
>
>     It was group dameon before.  After the change, I still get the
>     same errors.
>
>3.  Ran check_perms with a -f:
>
>         directory permissions must be 02775: 
> /usr/local/mailman/lists/church (fixing)
>        /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bad group (has: daemon, expected 
> mailman) (fixing)
>
>      Still the same error as above.
>
>
>check_perms now shows no errros, yet I still can't send mail to 
>church at 2sparrows.org.
>
>Any ideas?

So I'm a bit further.  I figured out how to set the MAIL_GID variable with 
make finally.  (FreeBSD ports installation.)

And now, I've created a list and have sent mail to it, but nothing seems to 
happen.

Logs show:

Feb  5 10:57:28 east postfix/qmgr[91727]: 3F5FA3E53: 
from=<sean at 2sparrows.org>, size=536, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb  5 10:57:29 east postfix/local[12138]: 3F5FA3E53: 
to=<church at 2sparrows.org>, relay=local,
delay=1, status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post church")

What now???

Thanks,
Sean

and a couple of minutes later:

Feb  5 11:00:00 east /usr/sbin/cron[12171]: (mailman) CMD 
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news)



But then nothing ever get's sent to the list.

/Sean





From rick at niof.net  Thu Feb  5 17:31:11 2004
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:31:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help using withlist
Message-ID: <20040205163111.GD3504@niof.net>

How do I add a member to a list using 'withlist'? The AddMember function
takes a 'userdesc' argument which is described as an instance but
nowhere can I find *what* it is an instance of. 

-- 
"The government consists of a gang of men exactly like you and
 me.  They have, taking one with another, no special talent for
 the business of government; they have only a talent for getting
 and holding office." --- H. L. Mencken
    Rick Pasotto    rick at niof.net    http://www.niof.net



From philip at bubel.com  Thu Feb  5 17:43:39 2004
From: philip at bubel.com (Philip Bubel)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:43:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Host Problem
Message-ID: <20040205164341.GHZQ19895.lakemtao04.cox.net@pbubelnb>

Hello,
    I'm having a problem using Virtual hosts.  If I set
"VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = yes" I don't see any lists on my listinfo or
listadmin pages.  http://lists.mcleancrew.org/mailman/admin .  If I set this
to "no" I get all my lists to show up just fine.  I guess I need to know how
to set it up so I just see the lists for that domain, when I turn on Virtual
Hosts.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks all.
 
Philip Bubel
philip at bubel.com





From sean at 2sparrows.org  Thu Feb  5 17:22:18 2004
From: sean at 2sparrows.org (Sean Butler)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:22:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] group mismatch error
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040205110129.02d9e4c8@east.2sparrows.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040204144003.0332a7b0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040205112140.02de4268@east.2sparrows.org>

At 11:10 AM 2/5/2004, Sean Butler wrote:
>And now, I've created a list and have sent mail to it, but nothing seems 
>to happen.
>
>Logs show:
>
>Feb  5 10:57:28 east postfix/qmgr[91727]: 3F5FA3E53: 
>from=<sean at 2sparrows.org>, size=536, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
>Feb  5 10:57:29 east postfix/local[12138]: 3F5FA3E53: 
>to=<church at 2sparrows.org>, relay=local,
>delay=1, status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post church")
>
>and a couple of minutes later:
>
>Feb  5 11:00:00 east /usr/sbin/cron[12171]: (mailman) CMD 
>(/usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news)
>
>
>
>But then nothing ever get's sent to the list.


Sorry, I had not finished a couple of things that are spelled out in the 
INSTALL doc.  Seems to be working now.

/Sean





From sb at sbnews.net  Thu Feb  5 03:52:37 2004
From: sb at sbnews.net (SB)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:52:37 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help me to export a list
Message-ID: <5AFBE342-5786-11D8-BB8B-003065C203FC@sbnews.net>

Hi,

I want export some mailman lists.

How can I do it? Is it possible by web interface?

  Thank you.

Sergio




From richard at booklocker.com  Thu Feb  5 09:10:16 2004
From: richard at booklocker.com (richard at  booklocker.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 03:10:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] appending the subscriber's address in the footer.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040205030727.03734ff8@mail.booklocker.com>

Hi,

I was wondering if there is any way to append a subscriber's email address 
in the footer of a message so I/they can easily identify what email address 
the  subscription is under.

best,
richard hoy




From jaytay3 at comcast.net  Thu Feb  5 03:01:32 2004
From: jaytay3 at comcast.net (Jason Taylor)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:01:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalize
Message-ID: <000801c3eb8b$fabd5740$0100a8c0@studio>

my server where i get my resellar package is running 2.1.3  and to my understanding of the  help files, i should be able to have personalized "to:" fields so hotmail doens't "junk" them!  but i can't find any options on how to do this!  is there any help i can get to have this problem resolved quickly, thanks

From oliver at methfessel.org  Wed Feb  4 19:48:02 2004
From: oliver at methfessel.org (Oliver Methfessel)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:48:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases.de
In-Reply-To: <20040130215102.28073.27203.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <000101c3eb4f$6c5c7c10$1200a8c0@omnotebook>

Hi There,

I have just installed Mailman on my Suse 8 Box. 
Everything is working fine, but the aliases.

I cant' use the file /etc/aliases for defining the Mailman-Aliases (cause I'm using Confixx-Pro for Administrating my Homepages and when a new eMailadresse is created he writes a new /etc/aliases file out of some database.). So I thought, I my put a file (with the Mailmanaliases in).
But when I run newaliases he doesn't regonize the file in /etc/aliases.d

What am I doing wrong.



Oliver Methfessel
 
  _____  

eMail: 	oliver at methfessel.org	
Shop: 	http://www.methfessel-computers.de	
Privat: 	http://www.whf.de 
Studium: 	http://www.dipl2006.de <- NEU	




From hans.middelhoek at odon.nl  Thu Feb  5 15:48:39 2004
From: hans.middelhoek at odon.nl (Hans Middelhoek)
Date: Thu,  5 Feb 2004 15:48:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending requests?
Message-ID: <1075992519.402257c75624d@odon.nl>

Hello,

We are using mailman on our webservers and are very convenient about it. 
But I want to ask you something. I hope you can help me with it. One of our 
customers uses mailman and gets a mail every day with the following content:

----------------
The Dust at entropy8zuper.org mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for
your consideration at:

        http://entropy8zuper.org/mailman/admindb/dust_entropy8zuper.org
        
Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.
------------------

As you can see the name of the mailing list is 'dust'. When we look at the 
given URL we can't find any requests.

We have been looking for a/the solution. Also we searched in the control 
panel but couldn't find a relevant option. Only the following but not sure 
this is the correct one. Maybe you can tell me where to look for the 
solution. The option that it could be, as far as I know, I found in the 
control panel at general options and finally "Should administrator get 
notices of subscribes/unsubscribes?" At the moment 'yes' is selected here.

I hope you want to help me out with this, but I can imagine I'm not the 
only one mailing, so you also may give me a URL of a forum where I can post 
it to get to the solution.

Thank you in advance.


Yours sincerely, 

Hans Middelhoek

Odon Internet
Lariksstraat 22
4814 HT  Breda
The Netherlands

t. +31 (0)76 - 531 05 75
f. +31 (0)76 - 531 05 76
e. hans.middelhoek at odon.nl
w. www.odon.nl



From erikjan at fenomedia.com  Thu Feb  5 17:05:19 2004
From: erikjan at fenomedia.com (Erik Jan Bruggink)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:05:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] e-mail
Message-ID: <001301c3ec01$df840700$6900a8c0@presario>

Hi,
 
I would like to know if it is possible to download your e-mailadresses
from your mailmanserver. I can not find that information in the help
files
 
kind regards
Erik Jan Bruggink



From mark at pdc-racing.net  Thu Feb  5 18:06:55 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:06:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <1075984650.3031.6.camel@tara.firmix.at>
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>
	<alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<1075984650.3031.6.camel@tara.firmix.at>
Message-ID: <B37B4458-57FD-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>

On Feb 5, 2004, at 4:37 AM, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
>> This is totally ridiculous.
>
> No. Reply-To set to the list is evil (and for God's sake actually 
> almost
> no list I know of uses it).

My lists use it.  And my users prefer it - I know, I've asked.

>> It's 2004.  Get over it.
>
> Yes. And it should be clear that the user at the end gets the choice
> (and not some overly-clever maillist admin in between interferes ....).

Yeah, it's so damned hard to edit the To: line, isn't it?  Wow.  I 
don't know how people ever manage to send email in the first place.

- Mark




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Feb  5 17:54:53 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:54:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <20040205120143.GC17141@io.com>
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>
	<alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<20040205120143.GC17141@io.com>
Message-ID: <04C892B1-57FC-11D8-95FD-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Feb 5, 2004, at 4:01 AM, John Buttery wrote:

>   If the whole concept of information being irretrievably destroyed by
> clobbering Reply-To: willy-nilly isn't a compelling reason to you, I'm
> not sure what else to say.

This issue goes away if we could stop trying to use reply-to for too 
many things. What we're really trying to do is make a bi-state 
operation tri-state, and bad things happen.

What reply-to coercion is trying to do is fake "reply to list". That, 
in reality, is its own operation. Mail clients ought to support 
reply/reply-all/reply-to-list (but with one or two exceptions, don't).

And to properly support reply-to-list, you need that information in the 
headers, which is done by the list-* headers mailman now provides. 
Which is why we grimace everyone says "icky! delete!" because that's 
how we'll ultimately get mail client authors to fix this right.....




From dan at langille.org  Thu Feb  5 18:25:08 2004
From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 12:25:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending requests?
In-Reply-To: <1075992519.402257c75624d@odon.nl>
Message-ID: <40223624.11243.9B35F8@localhost>

On 5 Feb 2004 at 15:48, Hans Middelhoek wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> We are using mailman on our webservers and are very convenient about it. 
> But I want to ask you something. I hope you can help me with it. One of our 
> customers uses mailman and gets a mail every day with the following content:
> 
> ----------------
> The Dust at entropy8zuper.org mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for
> your consideration at:
> 
>         http://entropy8zuper.org/mailman/admindb/dust_entropy8zuper.org
>         
> Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
> pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.
> ------------------
> 
> As you can see the name of the mailing list is 'dust'. When we look at the 
> given URL we can't find any requests.

I've noticed that recently on a list. I had assume someone else had 
already processed the request.  Are posts to the list getting 
through?  I'm having a problem where posts arrive at Mailman, but are 
never sent out.  If you are having that problem as well, then I have 
some things you can check (e.g. mailman/logs/error).

-- 
Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/
BSDCan - http://www.bsdcan.org/




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Feb  5 18:33:41 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:33:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <B37B4458-57FD-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>
	<alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<1075984650.3031.6.camel@tara.firmix.at>
	<B37B4458-57FD-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <70BA8474-5801-11D8-95FD-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Feb 5, 2004, at 9:06 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote:

>

> My lists use it.  And my users prefer it - I know, I've asked.

self-selected audiences. I have asked users what they think, and gotten 
one answer, and I've done formal surveys soliciting feedback from the 
entire list, and gotten very different answers. Be wary of taking the 
sound of the squeaky wheel from the entire vehicle.

> Yeah, it's so damned hard to edit the To: line, isn't it?  Wow.

for you? no. For non-geeks? you'd be surprised.

in fact, you probably would be. I'm not, I've spent a lot of time 
talking to them.





From mark at pdc-racing.net  Thu Feb  5 18:42:17 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:42:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Admin Messages
Message-ID: <A40C87CC-5802-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>

One of my lists is suddenly producing duplicate admin messages.  I get 
two copies of each message.  I've never seen this before I upgraded to 
RHEL 3.1 a week or so ago.  Only one list is affected.

I did a quick archive search and found nothing.  There's nothing in the 
FAQ, either.

Ideas?

- Mark
-----
mark at pdc-racing.net




From Lena at lena.kiev.ua  Thu Feb  5 19:02:46 2004
From: Lena at lena.kiev.ua (Lena at lena.kiev.ua)
Date: Thu,  5 Feb 2004 20:02:46 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
Message-ID: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev>

> From: Thomas Hochstein <ml at ancalagon.inka.de>

> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to-useful.mhtml

A good portion of my members (mostly newbies) use various web-based mailers.
They haven't a "Reply to all" button.

The members are newbies in computers - what I should do,
refuse them in medical help until they buy own computer
(a year average monetary income here) and master it?
Please remember that almost all members on non-technical lists
are FAR less savvy than you are.

Lena, owner of a medical list



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Feb  5 19:21:05 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:21:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalize
In-Reply-To: <000801c3eb8b$fabd5740$0100a8c0@studio>
References: <000801c3eb8b$fabd5740$0100a8c0@studio>
Message-ID: <20040205182105.GW3731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Jason Taylor wrote:
> my server where i get my resellar package is running 2.1.3  and to
> my understanding of the  help files, i should be able to have
> personalized "to:" fields so hotmail doens't "junk" them!  but i
> can't find any options on how to do this!  is there any help i can
> get to have this problem resolved quickly, thanks

If you do not have an option asking "Should Mailman personalize each
non-digest delivery?" on the Non-digest options page, then your host
has not enabled personalization.  You will have to ask them to do so.
They would just need to put

    OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes
    
into the mm_cfg.py file and start the mailman daemon.  They might also
want to set

    VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes

as well, since they'll be taking the performance hit already with
personalized deliveries.  I don't know what level of personalization
you need to get past the hotmail filters.  Maybe someone else here
knows that.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
capitalism is control of the state by the economy, communism/socialism
is control of the economy by the state... generally

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From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Feb  5 19:27:00 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 12:27:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <E1AodDI-00019X-1y@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AodDI-00019X-1y@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040205120816.07880c40@mail.thcwd.com>

I asked
>       I have never understood why this poster is recommended, nor why it 
> is  the default.  I've been on a lot of lists, on a lot of systems, and 
> have  never been on one that defaults to sending a response only to the 
> author of  the post I am replying to.


and Thomas Hochstein replied
><http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html>


      Thanks - I understand the points made there.  HOWEVER, I would say 
that the big list providers like Yahoo, Topic and the rest have made "reply 
to list" the expected norm.  Times have changed - lists are not long used 
only by folks who know how to build a computer from scratch and program it 
themselves.  A lot of user have been conditioned to hit "reply" without 
thinking.  Additionally, a lot of folks don't want a private copy plus one 
to the list - and done as the author suggests there is no quick and easy 
way to send to the list only.  Then there was this:

"Look at the original message header, write down the sender's email 
address, hit the "r" key, call up the header editing menu, erase the 
current To: value, and type in the sender's full email address.  And pray 
the correct address wasn't wiped out when the Reply-To was munged."

      Has this fellow never heard of cut and paste?  I've never had a 
problem adding the author as a cc, or sending to the author rather than the 
list.  Yes it's a bit more work, but as it's the exception rather than the 
rule for me it's not a problem.  And as a list manager with a lot of 
computer illiterate folks I'm very glad I've set up the most often desired 
behaviour as the default.  Mailman does not destroy the original senders 
identify or e-mail, so this part of the argument is moot.  Additionally you 
have digests, which can't reply to author automatically.

      Bottom line, I can understand that there was a time when reply to 
author made sense for a lot of lists, but I don't think that is the case 
anymore.

<>< Paul, who ironically got this to the list, not the author, by hitting 
reply (digest).



From taliesinsoft at mac.com  Thu Feb  5 19:27:18 2004
From: taliesinsoft at mac.com (TaliesinSoft (James L. Ryan))
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:27:18 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extracting and Replacing Membership Lists
Message-ID: <EDD412A3-5808-11D8-9CD5-003065A1B2E2@mac.com>

I've recently created several mailing lists, all of which are hosted by 
sitecontrol.hostway.com and which are managed via a web browser which 
in my instance is Safari on a Macintosh.

What I would like to be able to do is to extract the entirety of the 
membership list so that it can be revised locally on my computer, after 
which it would totally replace the current membership list. As things 
stand I find that managing the list through the limited 30 members at a 
time interface extremely tedious and time consuming. Being able to 
insert the list into a spreadsheet, make whatever revisions are needed, 
and then extract the necessary components of the list and replace them 
online would be far easier.

Is there a way to extract the membership list information in a manner 
suitable for inclusion in a spreadsheet, and is there a way to replace 
the membership list from such a spreadsheet.

Many thanks in advance for any suggestions.




From remko at elvandar.org  Thu Feb  5 19:34:07 2004
From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:34:07 +0100
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases.de
Message-ID: <20040205183345.056A42B4D7C@mail.evilcoder.org>



--

Kind regards,

Remko Lodder
Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the
hackerscene

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Remko Lodder [mailto:remko at elvandar.org]
Verzonden: donderdag 5 februari 2004 19:34
Aan: Oliver Methfessel
Onderwerp: RE: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases.de


tell sendmail in sendmail.cf (i pressume you use that mailer)
that he can also find a aliases file in the by you designated file

# location of alias file
O AliasFile=/etc/mail/aliases

i think you can add your file by adding

# location of alias file
O AliasFile=/etc/mail/aliases,/path/to/your/aliases-file

goodluck

cheers

--

Kind regards,

Remko Lodder
Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the
hackerscene

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens Oliver
Methfessel
Verzonden: woensdag 4 februari 2004 19:48
Aan: mailman-users at python.org
Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases.de


Hi There,

I have just installed Mailman on my Suse 8 Box.
Everything is working fine, but the aliases.

I cant' use the file /etc/aliases for defining the Mailman-Aliases (cause
I'm using Confixx-Pro for Administrating my Homepages and when a new
eMailadresse is created he writes a new /etc/aliases file out of some
database.). So I thought, I my put a file (with the Mailmanaliases in).
But when I run newaliases he doesn't regonize the file in /etc/aliases.d

What am I doing wrong.



Oliver Methfessel

  _____

eMail: 	oliver at methfessel.org
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From kmccann at bellanet.org  Thu Feb  5 19:56:55 2004
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:56:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040205120816.07880c40@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <E1AodDI-00019X-1y@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040205120816.07880c40@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <402291F7.6090304@bellanet.org>

Paul H Byerly wrote:

>      Bottom line, I can understand that there was a time when reply to 
> author made sense for a lot of lists, but I don't think that is the 
> case anymore.


Hi Paul,

I feel that it really depends on the nature of the list - the purpose, 
the participants, the number of participants. A small staff list? 
Reply-to-list, no question. A music list with 20,000 subscribers. 
*Please* make it reply-to-sender. And if the question is what should be 
the *default*, I'd say Reply-to-sender. Why? Because it is the option 
that makes the list admin think about what kind of list they have, just 
as it makes a member think about who they really want to send their 
reply to.

I have a large hobby-related list that was set to  reply-to-list once 
upon a time but as the list grew there were far too many "me too" posts 
and the like. Replies that were most appropriate for the original sender 
were being sent to the list. The value of the list deteriorated. People 
fled. By changing the list to reply-to-sender, members had to actually 
*think* about who they ought to be sending their replies to.

An interesting things to note:  I was somewhat concerned that important 
group discussions would decrease after making the change. That the list 
would become less valuable through a problem other than noise. I was 
concerned about bilateral discussions happening. Then it occurred to me 
that those one-on-one communications are every bit as important as the 
group interaction. Indeed, on my list, there now many valuable 
mentor/student relationships that have developed and I am often thanked 
for facilitating them.

- Kevin







From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Thu Feb  5 20:04:55 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:04:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nodupes question
Message-ID: <003901c3ec1a$f1583320$0b7a799f@chris>

First of all, I want to make sure I understand the 'nodupes'  feature. I
take it to mean that if this is enabled for a subscriber and the subscriber
is subscribed to multiple lists and a message is posted to more than one of
those lists, he will receive only one copy.

Assuming that is true, how can I globally change all current subscribers on
a list to 'nodupes'?  I see where I can set all future subscribers to not
receive dupes, but not those that are currently not set to 'nodupes'. Is the
default setting for new lists set to 'nodupes'.?  I tried using the
list_config command and checked the Defaults.py, but I only find a reference
in the latter to the wording for the column in the Membership List page.

Christopher Adams




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Feb  5 20:07:03 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:07:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <402291F7.6090304@bellanet.org>
References: <E1AodDI-00019X-1y@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040205120816.07880c40@mail.thcwd.com>
	<402291F7.6090304@bellanet.org>
Message-ID: <7B742FAE-580E-11D8-95FD-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>

>>      Bottom line, I can understand that there was a time when reply 
>> to author made sense for a lot of lists, but I don't think that is 
>> the case anymore.
>

> I feel that it really depends on the nature of the list - the purpose, 
> the participants, the number of participants.

and the religious war begins again... (grin)

Bottom line: both sides have valid points. Neither side can declare 
victory. And every few months, off we go and have the fight again, 
which convinces nobody to change sides...




From lists at lastonepicked.com  Thu Feb  5 21:24:19 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 12:24:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large List Considerations
Message-ID: <BC47E673.FBE6A%lists@lastonepicked.com>

Hello,

I have configured mailman and we're about to start populating a mailing list
with almost 20,000 members.

Any special considerations for lists this large?

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks,
Hunter




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb  5 20:49:16 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:49:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>
	<alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <p06002040bc484dc2dfd0@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:55 PM -0800 2004/02/04, Mark Dadgar wrote:

>>  <http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html>
>
>  This is totally ridiculous.

	Actually, no.

>  The document you reference is a long attempt at rationalizing why
>  we shouldn't bother to try to make mail systems Do The Right Thing.

	The document references a lot of experience that was obtained the 
hard way, where we found that certain types of behaviour on the part 
of mailing lists caused extreme problems for various users.

	Unless you have contrary experience and can prove that the entire 
rest of the Internet no longer functions in this way, I would 
encourage you to listen to this wisdom.

>  The tool should fit the job and not the other way around.

	In an ideal world, yes.  However, this is the real world.

>  The next thing you're goint to tell me is that we should train
>  computer users to not use spaces in file names, because "it
>  makes things hard for the IT guys."

	What if using spaces in file names meant that you could never, 
ever access that file again?  Wouldn't you be pretty upset if someone 
kept sending you these files with long filenames and spaces in them? 
What if your OS vendor was the dominant one on the planet, with 
greater than 90% share of the market, and they did whatever the hell 
they pleased and didn't give a damn about how many problems it might 
cause for you?

	This is precisely the situation that many users find themselves 
in, when it comes to their incredibly badly broken mail systems.

	Where possible, we should avoid going out of our way to make 
their life miserable.

>  It's 2004.  Get over it.

	This is the real world.  Get over it.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb  5 20:55:26 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:55:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <B37B4458-57FD-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>
	<alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<1075984650.3031.6.camel@tara.firmix.at>
	<B37B4458-57FD-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <p06002041bc484f844953@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:06 AM -0800 2004/02/05, Mark Dadgar wrote:

>  My lists use it.  And my users prefer it - I know, I've asked.

	Do they prefer to have messages which they thought would be 
private replies being blasted to the whole list?

	Hell, I've been doing this sort of stuff for fifteen years, and 
I've fallen into this trap myself.  If I can fall into this trap, 
it's far too easy for regular users to have the same problem.

>>  Yes. And it should be clear that the user at the end gets the choice
>>  (and not some overly-clever maillist admin in between interferes ....).
>
>  Yeah, it's so damned hard to edit the To: line, isn't it?  Wow.  I
>  don't know how people ever manage to send email in the first place.

	Actually, for some mail clients it is quite impossible to edit 
the "To:" field in a reply.  You can only edit that field if you 
write an entirely new message which is not a reply to any other.


	Unless you have decades of contrary experience and you can prove 
that there is not a single place on the entire Internet where certain 
types of poor behaviour are frequently seen, I would strongly urge 
you not to casually dismiss collected wisdom such as this.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb  5 20:58:16 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:58:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev>
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev>
Message-ID: <p06002042bc48507280f5@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:02 PM +0200 2004/02/05, Lena at lena.kiev.ua wrote:

>  A good portion of my members (mostly newbies) use various web-based mailers.
>  They haven't a "Reply to all" button.
>
>  The members are newbies in computers - what I should do,
>  refuse them in medical help until they buy own computer
>  (a year average monetary income here) and master it?
>  Please remember that almost all members on non-technical lists
>  are FAR less savvy than you are.

	It is far easier to add information (e.g., add another recipient 
address) than it is to recreate information that was destroyed.  That 
is the point of the original page.

	Please, carefully consider the consequences of actions like this, 
and make sure that what you do really is in the best interests of the 
user community, even if they don't know it themselves.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb  5 21:09:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:09:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040205120816.07880c40@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <E1AodDI-00019X-1y@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040205120816.07880c40@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <p06002043bc485103a31f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:27 PM -0600 2004/02/05, Paul H Byerly wrote:

>  Times have changed - lists are not long used only by folks who
>  know how to build a computer from scratch and program it themselves.

	Indeed, therein lies the problem.  The kinds of silly problems 
that lead to the original page were things that happened years ago, 
back when most people had some sort of clue as to what they were 
doing.  The situation has only gotten worse since then, not better.

>  A lot of user have been conditioned to hit "reply" without thinking.

	Without thinking.  That's the real problem.

>  Additionally, a lot of folks don't want a private copy plus one to
>  the list - and done as the author suggests there is no quick and
>  easy way to send to the list only.

	Related to what you reference below, if you want to reply to just 
the list, all you have to do is hit "reply-all", and then delete the 
addresses you don't want.  That's even simpler than "cut-n-paste", 
because there's no "paste" part to that operation.

	Once information is destroyed, it is virtually impossible to 
recover.  At best, it takes a lot more effort.  It's a lot easier to 
ask someone to add the name of the mailing list as an additional 
recipient, if they should mistakenly send their reply privately. 
However, once information has been made public, it's impossible to 
make it private again.

>                                      Then there was this:
>
>  "Look at the original message header, write down the sender's
>  email address, hit the "r" key, call up the header editing menu,
>  erase the current To: value, and type in the sender's full email
>  address.  And pray the correct address wasn't wiped out when the
>  Reply-To was munged."
>
>       Has this fellow never heard of cut and paste?

	This fellow has experience with software that doesn't work the 
way you think.  You'd be surprised how many people have software you 
didn't know about, or that works differently than you think.

>                                                      I've never
>  had a problem adding the author as a cc, or sending to the author
>  rather than the list.  Yes it's a bit more work, but as it's the
>  exception rather than the rule for me it's not a problem.

	That's adding information.  That's not trying to re-create 
information that has been destroyed by the mailing list.

>       Bottom line, I can understand that there was a time when
>  reply to author made sense for a lot of lists, but I don't think
>  that is the case anymore.

	I disagree.  I've been doing this sort of stuff for fifteen 
years, and I've been using e-mail and the Internet for twenty.

	IMO, this sort of thing is needed now, more than ever.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From mark at pdc-racing.net  Thu Feb  5 22:39:19 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:39:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <p06002043bc485103a31f@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <E1AodDI-00019X-1y@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040205120816.07880c40@mail.thcwd.com>
	<p06002043bc485103a31f@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <C15181D8-5823-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>

On Feb 5, 2004, at 12:09 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
>>  Additionally, a lot of folks don't want a private copy plus one to
>>  the list - and done as the author suggests there is no quick and
>>  easy way to send to the list only.
>
> 	Related to what you reference below, if you want to reply to just the 
> list, all you have to do is hit "reply-all", and then delete the 
> addresses you don't want.  That's even simpler than "cut-n-paste", 
> because there's no "paste" part to that operation.

You just told me in a previous email that some people cannot edit the 
To: line on a reply.  So which is it?

>>       Bottom line, I can understand that there was a time when
>>  reply to author made sense for a lot of lists, but I don't think
>>  that is the case anymore.
>
> 	I disagree.  I've been doing this sort of stuff for fifteen years, 
> and I've been using e-mail and the Internet for twenty.

Then we have at least equivalent experience.  Except that I appear to 
live in the real world and you live in a techy vacuum.  There is 
nothing wrong with that, mind you, as long as you realize that the 
assumptions you make about people's usage patterns are colored by the 
people you interact with.

Chuq made the point that he had done exhaustive research on the way 
people use this stuff.  The fallacy he has unknowningly fallen into, 
and you have as well, is that the behaviour of the software needs to be 
tailored to the user base.  There is no single case that solves all 
problems.

However, you are advocating a reduction in choices by doing away with 
Reply To List.  And in my experience it just is not as big a problem as 
you people think.

The poster (Paul?) who said it's probably appropriate for 100 person 
lists but not for 20K person lists was right on the money.

- Mark, ex-resident of the techy vacuum
-----
mark at pdc-racing.net




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb  5 22:28:07 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 05 Feb 2004 16:28:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large List Considerations
In-Reply-To: <BC47E673.FBE6A%lists@lastonepicked.com>
References: <BC47E673.FBE6A%lists@lastonepicked.com>
Message-ID: <1076016487.3252.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 15:24, Hunter Hillegas wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have configured mailman and we're about to start populating a mailing list
> with almost 20,000 members.
> 
> Any special considerations for lists this large?
> 
> Any advice appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Hunter
> 
Depending on your Disk sub-system, Processor, and amount of RAM, 20k
members may be not be a lot for Mailman to handle.

If however you find that messages spend a long time in the queue before
being processed (or web-access to the list configuration is very slow to
load) then you might want to consider putting aside some ram for use as
a disk.  You can copy your ~mailman/lists/... to this RAM drive and
mount it over the ~mailman/lists (then startup Mailman).  Access to the
lists and configuration will then be much faster.

Note: the RAM drive *must* be at least twice the size as the data stored
in it, so that Mailman can make backup copies of the config files while
doing changes.

Good Luck!

Jon Carnes




From scratch at xmission.com  Thu Feb  5 23:09:53 2004
From: scratch at xmission.com (Warren Woodward)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:09:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <p06002041bc484f844953@[10.0.1.3]>;
	from brad.knowles@skynet.be on Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:55:26PM
	+0100
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>
	<alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<1075984650.3031.6.camel@tara.firmix.at>
	<B37B4458-57FD-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<p06002041bc484f844953@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040205150953.A1385@xmission.com>

On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:55:26PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote:
> 	Do they prefer to have messages which they thought would be 
> private replies being blasted to the whole list?

The reality of the modern, public internet is that the opposite is far
more common -- right or wrong, in most common, public internet circles
(I'm talking the far more prevelant "recipe sharing"-style lists, not "RFC
management"-style lists), people have grown to accept as standard that in
group discussion lists, unless you're intentionally deviating from the
thread topic, it is customary to respond to the list as a whole, and not
in private.  As such, they are confused when this is not the default 
setting and have to break their own well established habits to respond to 
the list.

We now have upwards of 400 public lists on our mailman server, and I have
heard complaints over this matter from every single one of them.  And no,
that is not an exaggeration. For years now, I explain upfront upon list
creation why things are set this way, and that the owner is responsible
for changing it if they wish -- which they *never* understand or
appreciate, and thus usually ignore until the first complaints roll in.

Mailman eases the discussion format for less technology savvy users, and
its popularity has grown for that fact.  Those users don't understand a
whit of header munging -- they just want their subscribers to be able to
hit the big "Reply" button and have their response return to the list --
just like it would on a web forum or through most standard usenet clients
-- and when it doesn't do that, they get complaints and forward them to
me.  Of note, the most recent complaint came from subscribers of a list
devoted to the discussion of Utah's UTOPIA project, which is well
populated by this region's technological elite, many of whom were
extremely surprised at this default setting and considered it an
antiquated standard and requested it be changed.

I should say, however, that I agree fully with the logic behind avoiding
header munging, and do appreciate that it is standard in Mailman.  As was
well illustrated in another reply, there are very, very appropriate times
for it, and other list software fails in not offering this option.

But personally, in my daily experience, having the defaults reversed would 
save a lot of time and headaches.  

Just my two pennies in a dead, done debate.

-- 
warren woodward
XMission DSL
Domo/Mailman
warrenw at xmission.com
(801) 303-0819
(877) XMISSION

"I hold a beast, an angel and a madman in me."  Dylan Thomas



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Feb  5 23:13:54 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 14:13:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <20040205150953.A1385@xmission.com>
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>
	<alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<1075984650.3031.6.camel@tara.firmix.at>
	<B37B4458-57FD-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<p06002041bc484f844953@[10.0.1.3]>
	<20040205150953.A1385@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <961360B0-5828-11D8-95FD-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Feb 5, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Warren Woodward wrote:

>

> We now have upwards of 400 public lists on our mailman server, and I 
> have
> heard complaints over this matter from every single one of them.

be wary of the squeaky wheel speaking for the entire wagon.

just list this discussion.

you may be right. I've found the reply-to enthusiasts speak on the 
situation way beyond the typical population, and with more enthusiasm 
than the non-reply-to types, who are generally tired of arguing and 
just shut up and go away when it comes up.

which reminds me... (exit, stage running like hell... grin)







From Lena at lena.kiev.ua  Thu Feb  5 23:15:24 2004
From: Lena at lena.kiev.ua (Lena at lena.kiev.ua)
Date: Fri,  6 Feb 2004 00:15:24 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <p06002042bc48507280f5@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev>
Message-ID: <Pny1i80L6K@lena.kiev>

> From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

> >  A good portion of my members (mostly newbies) use various web-based mailers.
> >  They haven't a "Reply to all" button.

>         It is far easier to add information (e.g., add another recipient
> address) than it is to recreate information that was destroyed.

I can recall not one letter directly from a person's MUA to me with
"Reply-To:" differing from "From:". And I had much correspondence since
1996: on most lists I use digest mode, counter of sent by me letters
in my MUA shows currently 54532, I receive about 4.3 times more
letters than I send (i.e. I received about quarter million letters).

>         Please, carefully consider the consequences of actions like this,
> and make sure that what you do really is in the best interests of the
> user community, even if they don't know it themselves.

Yes, I did consider. The fact that many newbie members on my
relatively small (227 members today) list haven't "Reply to all" button
overrode other concerns.



From rruth at robruth.com  Thu Feb  5 23:27:20 2004
From: rruth at robruth.com (Rob Ruth)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:27:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cpu usage
Message-ID: <4022C348.2090301@robruth.com>

I have scoured the archives and google for answer to my problem but none 
of the fixes I have found seem to work. I have mailman 2-1.1-91 
installed w/ postfix 1.1.12-12 on a Suse 8.2 box and qrunner/python is 
eating the cpu. Most of the posts I read describe this as a postfix 
problem and to change my local delivery code to 550 which I did but it 
hasn't helped. The system runs fine for a while but after a few hours 
qrunner/python cpu usage goes through the roof. In most cases this is 
with less than five emails in the queue.

Any suggestions on fixing this problem would be appreciated.

-Rob




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb  5 21:39:25 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:39:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large List Considerations
In-Reply-To: <BC47E673.FBE6A%lists@lastonepicked.com>
References: <BC47E673.FBE6A%lists@lastonepicked.com>
Message-ID: <p06002046bc4859b0ab81@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:24 PM -0800 2004/02/05, Hunter Hillegas wrote:

>  I have configured mailman and we're about to start populating a mailing list
>  with almost 20,000 members.
>
>  Any special considerations for lists this large?

	See Rob Kolstad's paper "Tuning Sendmail for Large Mailing Lists" at
<http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/lisa97/21.kolstad.html>
and Strata Chalup's paper "Drinking from the Fire(walls) Hose: 
Another Approach to Very Large Mailing Lists" at
<http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/lisa98/chalup.html>.

	See also the book _Sendmail Performance Tuning_ by Nick Christensen (see
<http://www.jetcafe.org/~npc/book/sendmail/>).  Also note the slides 
from related talks at 
<http://www.shub-internet.org/brad/papers/sendmail-tuning/> and 
<http://www.jetcafe.org/~npc/doc/performance_tuning.pdf>.


	A number of these issues have been addressed by more modern MTAs, 
Mailing List Managers, and configurations shipped with them, but 
there are still lots of good issues raised.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb  5 23:27:35 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:27:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <C15181D8-5823-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <E1AodDI-00019X-1y@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040205120816.07880c40@mail.thcwd.com>
	<p06002043bc485103a31f@[10.0.1.3]>
	<C15181D8-5823-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <p0600204bbc48702ef102@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:39 PM -0800 2004/02/05, Mark Dadgar wrote:

>  You just told me in a previous email that some people cannot edit
>  the To: line on a reply.  So which is it?

	On the software I've seen, you can't change the To: line in a 
reply, but you can add other addresses in the Cc: line.

>  Then we have at least equivalent experience.  Except that I appear
>  to live in the real world and you live in a techy vacuum.  There is
>  nothing wrong with that, mind you, as long as you realize that the
>  assumptions you make about people's usage patterns are colored by
>  the people you interact with.

	Well, I was the Sr. Internet Mail Systems Administrator for AOL, 
and the first Internet Mail Operations person they ever hired.  I've 
worked in environments supporting five million plus users, most of 
whom I believe everyone would agree are pretty 
lowest-common-denominator -- they don't get any lower.  I've also 
worked with the Listserv/LSMTP installation at AOL, and I helped set 
up many of the machines that were being used by the mailing list 
administration staff.

	How many millions of lowest-common-denominator users have you supported?

>  Chuq made the point that he had done exhaustive research on the way
>  people use this stuff.

	Indeed, he has.  He doesn't like to brag about it, but he does 
run some of the largest known Mailman mailing lists, and his systems 
are on the same scale as the Kolstad & Chalup papers that I have 
previously mentioned on this mailing list.  Chuq could probably write 
the third installment in "How to Manage Very Large Mailing Lists".

>                          The fallacy he has unknowningly fallen into,
>  and you have as well, is that the behaviour of the software needs
>  to be tailored to the user base.  There is no single case that solves
>  all problems.

	True enough.  But in this case, there is a particular 
configuration which is known (and proven) to reduce the amount of 
information being needlessly destroyed by the mailing list 
administrator, and which is likely to result in the least amount of 
embarrassment if someone just hits the reply key and then shares out 
all sorts of really sensitive information.

	Your method would have all that incredibly sensitive information 
automatically sent back to the entire mailing list, which could 
certainly cost someone their job.  That kind of behaviour could 
conceivably cost someone their life.


	If it was your job and your life that was on the line every 
single time that one of your customers hit the reply key, which would 
you want?  Do you really want to play Russian Roulette with 20,000 
other people?

>  However, you are advocating a reduction in choices by doing away
>  with Reply To List.  And in my experience it just is not as big
>  a problem as you people think.

	Then I would have to conclude that you haven't been doing this 
for long, or at least not with any mailing list of any real size.

>  The poster (Paul?) who said it's probably appropriate for 100
>  person lists but not for 20K person lists was right on the money.

	See above.  Russian Roulette with 100 people is more likely to be 
survivable than with 20,000.


	Unless you've been there and done that and definitely lost the 
job (or would have, if you had still been working there), you may not 
ever understand.

	You may not believe me, but I do hope that you never have to live 
through this kind of experience.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb  5 23:11:36 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:11:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large List Considerations
In-Reply-To: <1076016487.3252.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <BC47E673.FBE6A%lists@lastonepicked.com>
	<1076016487.3252.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <p0600204abc486f66c240@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:28 PM -0500 2004/02/05, Jon Carnes wrote:

>  Depending on your Disk sub-system, Processor, and amount of RAM, 20k
>  members may be not be a lot for Mailman to handle.

	Yes.  Keep in mind that we've had people complain about 
performance with Mailman on some systems with 50k users, and yet 
there are other Mailman systems out there with > 200k users.

	It all depends on your hardware and software configuration. 
Anything can be configured to run dead-dog slow (not uncommon in 
out-of-the-box configurations), while most anything can be tweaked to 
be significantly faster.

>  If however you find that messages spend a long time in the queue before
>  being processed (or web-access to the list configuration is very slow to
>  load) then you might want to consider putting aside some ram for use as
>  a disk.  You can copy your ~mailman/lists/... to this RAM drive and
>  mount it over the ~mailman/lists (then startup Mailman).  Access to the
>  lists and configuration will then be much faster.

	Hmm.  Is this really safe?  What happens if there is a crash? 
Are those files safely written to physical media somewhere before the 
dangerous stuff is started?  If you had a spontaneous crash, how much 
could you lose?

>  Note: the RAM drive *must* be at least twice the size as the data stored
>  in it, so that Mailman can make backup copies of the config files while
>  doing changes.

	I would say that it should be considerably more than twice, to 
leave some slack for the filesystem code to do it's job properly.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb  5 23:34:42 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:34:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <Pny1i80L6K@lena.kiev>
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev> <Pny1i80L6K@lena.kiev>
Message-ID: <p0600204cbc487489f682@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:15 AM +0200 2004/02/06, Lena at lena.kiev.ua wrote:

>>          It is far easier to add information (e.g., add another recipient
>>  address) than it is to recreate information that was destroyed.
>
>  I can recall not one letter directly from a person's MUA to me with
>  "Reply-To:" differing from "From:".

	Fine.  Those messages weren't munged by a misguided mailing list manager.

>                                       And I had much correspondence since
>  1996: on most lists I use digest mode, counter of sent by me letters
>  in my MUA shows currently 54532, I receive about 4.3 times more
>  letters than I send (i.e. I received about quarter million letters).

	I can go back through the 90's, into the mid-80's if length of 
time is the important criteria here.  I have multiple gigabytes of 
e-mail on my current system, and untold gigabytes of e-mail archived 
off in one place or another.

>  Yes, I did consider. The fact that many newbie members on my
>  relatively small (227 members today) list haven't "Reply to all" button
>  overrode other concerns.

	See my previous message.  It has been my experience that people 
continue down this path, heedless of all warnings, until the fateful 
day comes when this really, really seriously bites them, and they 
lose their job, their business, their best friend (or friends), their 
spouse, or whatever.

	After all, when you're playing Russian Roulette, you keep living 
(and winning), every time you pull that trigger.  That is, until the 
last one.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From mark at pdc-racing.net  Thu Feb  5 23:43:01 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 14:43:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <p0600204bbc48702ef102@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <E1AodDI-00019X-1y@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040205120816.07880c40@mail.thcwd.com>
	<p06002043bc485103a31f@[10.0.1.3]>
	<C15181D8-5823-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<p0600204bbc48702ef102@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <A706A4F8-582C-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>

On Feb 5, 2004, at 2:27 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
>>  You just told me in a previous email that some people cannot edit
>>  the To: line on a reply.  So which is it?
>
> 	On the software I've seen, you can't change the To: line in a reply, 
> but you can add other addresses in the Cc: line.

Yes, but in the text to which I was referring (that you snipped in your 
reply above), you stated that it's easy enough to solve Reply All 
problem of ending up with the original sender and the list address in 
the To: line by just deleting the original sender's address.  But now 
you're telling me that's not an option in a large number (in terms of 
user base) of mail clients.

So, pick one.  Which way do you want it?

> 	Well, I was the Sr. Internet Mail Systems Administrator for AOL, and 
> the first Internet Mail Operations person they ever hired.  I've 
> worked in environments supporting five million plus users, most of 
> whom I believe everyone would agree are pretty 
> lowest-common-denominator -- they don't get any lower.  I've also 
> worked with the Listserv/LSMTP installation at AOL, and I helped set 
> up many of the machines that were being used by the mailing list 
> administration staff.

That's pretty cool.  BUT, how many of those 5 million plus lowest 
common denominator people did you actually interact with?

> 	How many millions of lowest-common-denominator users have you 
> supported?
>

Again, see above.

But in any case, this is irrelevant.  I don't think you can dictate 
behaviour to everyone based on your sampling.

>>  Chuq made the point that he had done exhaustive research on the way
>>  people use this stuff.
>
> 	Indeed, he has.  He doesn't like to brag about it, but he does run 
> some of the largest known Mailman mailing lists, and his systems are 
> on the same scale as the Kolstad & Chalup papers that I have 
> previously mentioned on this mailing list.  Chuq could probably write 
> the third installment in "How to Manage Very Large Mailing Lists".

Yup, the guy Gets It in general.

> 	True enough.  But in this case, there is a particular configuration 
> which is known (and proven) to reduce the amount of information being 
> needlessly destroyed by the mailing list administrator, and which is 
> likely to result in the least amount of embarrassment if someone just 
> hits the reply key and then shares out all sorts of really sensitive 
> information.

How often does that really happen (that sensitive information is 
shared).  I mean, really.

> 	Your method would have all that incredibly sensitive information 
> automatically sent back to the entire mailing list, which could 
> certainly cost someone their job.  That kind of behaviour could 
> conceivably cost someone their life.

It could.  Nice corner case.  And I would not advocate turning Reply To 
List on in a circumstance like that.

But in the rest of the majority of cases, where accidentally replying 
to the list broadcasts nothing more seriously than your Aunt Martha's 
secret carrotcake recipe, the risk is worth living with in exchange for 
the myriad benefits.

> 	If it was your job and your life that was on the line every single 
> time that one of your customers hit the reply key, which would you 
> want?  Do you really want to play Russian Roulette with 20,000 other 
> people?

Don't you think this is a bit of a stretch?  We're not talking about 
air traffic control here.

>>  However, you are advocating a reduction in choices by doing away
>>  with Reply To List.  And in my experience it just is not as big
>>  a problem as you people think.
>
> 	Then I would have to conclude that you haven't been doing this for 
> long, or at least not with any mailing list of any real size.

You can conclude whatever you want.

At the end of the day, though, it doesn't really matter what the size 
of the list is, PROVIDED that you can tailer the software appropriately 
to your intended use.  You are advocating making that impossible.

>>  The poster (Paul?) who said it's probably appropriate for 100
>>  person lists but not for 20K person lists was right on the money.
>
> 	See above.  Russian Roulette with 100 people is more likely to be 
> survivable than with 20,000.

Yes.  Your point?

> 	Unless you've been there and done that and definitely lost the job 
> (or would have, if you had still been working there), you may not ever 
> understand.

I love arguments like that.  Nonsensical, but completely irrefutable.

> 	You may not believe me, but I do hope that you never have to live 
> through this kind of experience.

And the patronizing ending.  Nice form.  I'll give the post a 7.  Your 
score was compromised a bit by a couple of arguments that didn't go 
anywhere.

- Mark
-----
mark at pdc-racing.net




From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Thu Feb  5 10:44:33 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:44:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>
	<alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <alm.20040205104436.16869@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

Mark Dadgar schrieb:

>> <http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html>
>
> This is totally ridiculous.

Is it?

> The document you reference is a long attempt at rationalizing why we 
> shouldn't bother to try to make mail systems Do The Right Thing.

The question is: *is* it the right thing?

On mailing lists with reply-to set to the list, I see quite often
replies that were obviously meant to go to the poster, not to the
list, sometimes very ... private mails. That is *not* the right thing.

Sometimes I have a fixed From:-Address (from which I have to send mail
and that I cannot change), e.g. at work, but want answers sent to
another address (e.g. my home address). So I set reply-to to my
private address. If the MLA overwrites Reply-To:, I get private
replies to my work address, which is not the thing I want nor the
right thing.

I like to read my mailing lists gated to a local newsgroup or with a
clienbt that has a GUI that makes no real difference between mails,
amiling list and newsgroups, so I can followup/reply to all (the list)
with one keypress and reply privately to the author with another,
without changing addresses or even c&p'ing. That's nice, it's
comfortable, and it's broken if Reply-To: is set to the list. That
obviously is not the right thing either.

> The tool should fit the job and not the other way around.

The tool should do the job *I* want it to do, not the job someone
thinks most in my position would like it to do.

It's mostly the same, alway: if you try to make things "easier", you
do not add functionality, you *break* functionality. That may not
matter to people that cannot or would not use that functionality, it
may even really make things easier for them, but it is a step back,
not a step forward, because it makes things worse for advanced users.

That said, I *do* set Reply-To: to the list on lists where a majority
of people requested this setting, or on list with low traffic or a
majority of computer illiterate users. Not because that's the "right
thing" - it obviously isn't -, but because there's nobody there that
needs advanced features of any kind, and the people that don't know or
don't want to know how to use them may get alog better with a fixed
"standard" setting.

But personally, I do strongly prefer a list that does no reply-to
munging, and on lists that are frequented by people who *know* how to
use their computer and their tools [1] I'd never switch from the
default.

[1] That does not necessarily mean "IT guys". You don't have to be an
IT guy (and I am not) to learn hwo to use your computer as an
efficient tool.

-thh




From mark at pdc-racing.net  Thu Feb  5 23:45:16 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 14:45:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <p0600204cbc487489f682@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev> <Pny1i80L6K@lena.kiev>
	<p0600204cbc487489f682@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <F79A5052-582C-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>

On Feb 5, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
>>                                       And I had much correspondence 
>> since
>>  1996: on most lists I use digest mode, counter of sent by me letters
>>  in my MUA shows currently 54532, I receive about 4.3 times more
>>  letters than I send (i.e. I received about quarter million letters).
>
> 	I can go back through the 90's, into the mid-80's if length of time 
> is the important criteria here.  I have multiple gigabytes of e-mail 
> on my current system, and untold gigabytes of e-mail archived off in 
> one place or another.

LOL!  You are a defense attorney's worst nightmare!

- Mark




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Feb  6 00:04:47 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:04:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <p0600204bbc48702ef102@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <E1AodDI-00019X-1y@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040205120816.07880c40@mail.thcwd.com>
	<p06002043bc485103a31f@[10.0.1.3]>
	<C15181D8-5823-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<p0600204bbc48702ef102@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <B1C90FB0-582F-11D8-95FD-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Feb 5, 2004, at 2:27 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
> 	Indeed, he has.  He doesn't like to brag about it, but he does run 
> some of the largest known Mailman mailing lists, and his systems are 
> on the same scale as the Kolstad & Chalup papers that I have 
> previously mentioned on this mailing list.  Chuq could probably write 
> the third installment in "How to Manage Very Large Mailing Lists".

I intend to, actually. And I have to note that my mailman installation 
is the smallest system I manage.

> 	If it was your job and your life that was on the line every single 
> time that one of your customers hit the reply key, which would you 
> want?  Do you really want to play Russian Roulette with 20,000 other 
> people?

I know people fired for that mistake. I've come awful close myself. On 
my own system, after an admin changed a setting he was told not to 
change.

Not fun.




From bernd at firmix.at  Fri Feb  6 00:06:12 2004
From: bernd at firmix.at (Bernd Petrovitsch)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:06:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large List Considerations
In-Reply-To: <1076016487.3252.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <BC47E673.FBE6A%lists@lastonepicked.com>
	<1076016487.3252.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1076022372.3805.48.camel@gimli.at.home>

On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 22:28, Jon Carnes wrote:
[...]
> If however you find that messages spend a long time in the queue before
> being processed (or web-access to the list configuration is very slow to
> load) then you might want to consider putting aside some ram for use as
> a disk.  You can copy your ~mailman/lists/... to this RAM drive and
> mount it over the ~mailman/lists (then startup Mailman).  Access to the
> lists and configuration will then be much faster.
> 
> Note: the RAM drive *must* be at least twice the size as the data stored
> in it, so that Mailman can make backup copies of the config files while
> doing changes.

Which raises the question if simply adding the RAM to the system thus
increasing the disk cache (and not dedicated to just one part of the app
and - given the above description - wasting 50% of it almost completely,
not considering fault-tolerance and similar) won't be as good (if not
batter)??

	Bernd
-- 
Firmix Software GmbH                   http://www.firmix.at/
mobil: +43 664 4416156                 fax: +43 1 7890849-55
          Embedded Linux Development and Services





From bernd at firmix.at  Fri Feb  6 00:09:42 2004
From: bernd at firmix.at (Bernd Petrovitsch)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:09:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <20040205150953.A1385@xmission.com>
References: <E1AoNHr-0006Lg-K5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040204143513.02b750c8@mail.thcwd.com>
	<alm.20040205073515.16867@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<5837AB2C-57A8-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<1075984650.3031.6.camel@tara.firmix.at>
	<B37B4458-57FD-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<p06002041bc484f844953@[10.0.1.3]> <20040205150953.A1385@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <1076022582.3805.52.camel@gimli.at.home>

On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 23:09, Warren Woodward wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:55:26PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote:
> > 	Do they prefer to have messages which they thought would be 
> > private replies being blasted to the whole list?
> 
> The reality of the modern, public internet is that the opposite is far
> more common -- right or wrong, in most common, public internet circles
> (I'm talking the far more prevelant "recipe sharing"-style lists, not "RFC
> management"-style lists), people have grown to accept as standard that in

The question is not "what is more convenient" but "what reduces the
damage of severe errors in replying".
And the default being list-reply is IMHO worse on errors than otherwise.

	Bernd
-- 
Firmix Software GmbH                   http://www.firmix.at/
mobil: +43 664 4416156                 fax: +43 1 7890849-55
          Embedded Linux Development and Services





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb  6 00:18:00 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 05 Feb 2004 18:18:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large List Considerations
In-Reply-To: <1076022372.3805.48.camel@gimli.at.home>
References: <BC47E673.FBE6A%lists@lastonepicked.com>
	<1076016487.3252.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1076022372.3805.48.camel@gimli.at.home>
Message-ID: <1076023080.3252.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 18:06, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 22:28, Jon Carnes wrote:
> [...]
> > If however you find that messages spend a long time in the queue before
> > being processed (or web-access to the list configuration is very slow to
> > load) then you might want to consider putting aside some ram for use as
> > a disk.  You can copy your ~mailman/lists/... to this RAM drive and
> > mount it over the ~mailman/lists (then startup Mailman).  Access to the
> > lists and configuration will then be much faster.
> > 
> > Note: the RAM drive *must* be at least twice the size as the data stored
> > in it, so that Mailman can make backup copies of the config files while
> > doing changes.
> 
> Which raises the question if simply adding the RAM to the system thus
> increasing the disk cache (and not dedicated to just one part of the app
> and - given the above description - wasting 50% of it almost completely,
> not considering fault-tolerance and similar) won't be as good (if not
> batter)??
> 
> 	Bernd

Alas, there is a whole lot of writing going on that just adding RAM does
not address. If all Mailman did was read the list from the same process
each time, then adding RAM would be the best bet.

Jon Carnes




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Fri Feb  6 00:23:37 2004
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:23:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <F79A5052-582C-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev> <Pny1i80L6K@lena.kiev>
	<p0600204cbc487489f682@[10.0.1.3]>
	<F79A5052-582C-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <20040205232337.GW26272@hq.newdream.net>

On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 02:45:16PM -0800, Mark Dadgar wrote:
> On Feb 5, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:

> >	I can go back through the 90's, into the mid-80's if length of time 
> >is the important criteria here.  I have multiple gigabytes of e-mail 
> >on my current system, and untold gigabytes of e-mail archived off in 
> >one place or another.
> 
> LOL!  You are a defense attorney's worst nightmare!

Not to mention a system administrator's worst nightmare...

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")




From paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com  Fri Feb  6 00:41:48 2004
From: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com (Paulo Dinis)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:41:48 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalization - take 2 solved !
In-Reply-To: <20040123042758.GZ13633@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <DOEGLPDHCNMOAOCEKJICMEKGCIAA.paulo.dinis@paulodinis.com>

Hello to all,

As suggested on a pior post, I?ve contacted my webhost technical support and I can now customize in the non-digest pages the personalization. ( I do not have the access needed to perform the correction ). Thank?s for the help specially Tod.
However I?m still having a  problem with Portuguese language. The text used in several "text field " comes unreadable.
Exemple : 
Altere a sua inscri&ccedil;&atilde;o neste local : http://paulodinis.com/mailman/options/forum_paulodinis.com/paulo.dinis%40paulodinis.com
Should come list this "Altera a sua inscri??o (...)"
All auto-response comes like this. How can I solve this ? Any Portuguese fellow have the same problem ?

Thank?s, Paulo Dinis
Non technical user

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd [mailto:Freedom_Lover at pobox.com]
Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Janeiro de 2004 4:28
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] personalization - take 2

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Paulo Dinis wrote:
> As suggested, the only 3 options available are:
>
> 1 - Can subscribers choose to receive mail immediately, rather than
> in batched digests?
> 2 - Header added to mail sent to regular list members
> 3 - Footer added to mail sent to regular list members
>
> None is available to turn on/off the option to "The section states:
> "Should Mailman personalize each non-digest delivery? "

You'll have to get the admin for your server to allow list owners to
enable personalization.  This is done by adding:

    OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1

to $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (where $prefix is the path where mailman
was installed).  Once that's done and the qrunners are restarted, you
should have the extra option to enable personalization for your list.

> I?m using cpanel and version 2.1.3.

Ugh.  Have fun.  Ask them to give you the source code changes for the
GPL code they are distributing.  It's fun.  They just ignore you like
the GPL means nothing.  Wonderful people, those cPanel folks are.

- --
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
There are no differences but differences of degree between different
degrees of difference and no difference.
    -- William James, under nitrous oxide; 1882

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From paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com  Fri Feb  6 00:43:27 2004
From: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com (Paulo Dinis)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:43:27 -0000
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] Languages settings - FW: Welcome to the
	"Forum"mailing list
Message-ID: <DOEGLPDHCNMOAOCEKJICCEKICIAA.paulo.dinis@paulodinis.com>

As referred on my last message,
Thank?s

Cumprimentos, Paulo Dinis

T?cnico Superior de HST
Ergonomista
Consultor/Formador de HST
Auditor OSHAS 18001 / NP 4397
Ergolist List Owner
Email : mailto:paulodinis at paulodinis.com
www.paulodinis.com Webmaster

-----Original Message-----
From: 	Paulo Dinis [mailto:paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com]
Sent:	segunda-feira, 12 de Janeiro de 2004 16:41
To:	mailman-users at python.org
Subject:	[Mailman-Users] Languages settings - FW: Welcome to the
"Forum"mailing list

 Hello again,

Sorry to bother you again.
How can I solve the language problem ?
I've written a text for the : " List-specific text prepended to
new-subscriber welcome message " as bellows.  How can I solve this ?


Paulo Dinis
Certified Safety Tecnician
Ergonomist
Website : http://www.paulodinis.com/ <http://www.paulodinis.com/>

-----Original Message-----
From:	Forum-request at paulodinis.com <mailto:Forum-request at paulodinis.com>
[mailto:Forum-request at paulodinis.com]
<mailto:[mailto:Forum-request at paulodinis.com]>
Sent:	segunda-feira, 12 de Janeiro de 2004 16:16
To:	consultoria at paulodinis.com <mailto:consultoria at paulodinis.com>
Subject:	Welcome to the "Forum" mailing list

Bem Vindo a lista de discuss?o Forum at paulodinis.com
<mailto:Forum at paulodinis.com> ! Benvindo ao f&oacute;rum ErgoList !! Esta
mensagem de boas vindas &eacute; automaticamente enviada no processo de
susbcri&ccedil;&atilde;o.
O f&oacute;rum :
O f&oacute;rum &eacute; moderado para evitar que seja enviado publicidade
indesejada ( SPAM ) e para que n&atilde;o receba emails que nada t&ecirc;m a
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fun&ccedil;&atilde;o coordenar o f&oacute;rum e assegurar que as mensagens
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que esta lista de destina prioritariamente a lus&oacute;fonos e serve para
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Ela tem por objectivo fomentar a discuss&atilde;o/divulga&ccedil;&atilde;o
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responsabilidade dos autores das respectivas participa&ccedil;&otilde;es.
Sinta-se livre para convidar outros cybernautas a pertencer a este
f&oacute;rum !
Tem tamb&eacute;m a possibilidade de consultar os arquivos de todas as
mensagens na sec&ccedil;&atilde;o de arquivos. Acrescente-se que os anexos
n&atilde;o ficam dispon&iacute;veis on-line e recomenda aos utilizadores
possu&iacute;rem antiv&iacute;rus actualizados quando distribu&iacute;rem
anexos pelo grupo.
Regras de utiliza&ccedil;&atilde;o :
Todos os email enviados para o f&oacute;rum devem ser devidamente
identificados. Todas as mensagens que ir&aacute; receber ser&atilde;o sempre
do mesmo endere&ccedil;o de email : forum at paulodinis.com
<mailto:forum at paulodinis.com>  . Esse endere&ccedil;o &eacute; igualmente
usado para enviar para o f&oacute;rum. Considera-se identificados com o nome
pr&oacute;prio e apelido e respectivo endere&ccedil;o de email.. Isto para
que o possam contactar pessoalmente caso desejem Ex :
&#8220;Quest&atilde;o bla bla (...) Z&eacute; Ningu&eacute;m
zeninguem at paulodinis&#8221 <mailto:zeninguem at paulodinis&#8221> ;
Todas as mensagens que n&atilde;o obede&ccedil;am a estes crit&eacute;rios
ser&atilde;o rejeitadas. Seja cordial nas suas participa&ccedil;&otilde;es
&#8211; afinal somos poucos em Portugal e por vezes trope&ccedil;amos uns
nos outros em circunst&acirc;ncias diferentes.
Para terminar o sucesso desta lista tamb&eacute;m depende da sua
participa&ccedil;&atilde;o e do seu contributo. Seja um animador constante
da mesma !!!
S&oacute; me resta agradecer a sua participa&ccedil;&atilde;o.
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Para postar a esta lista, envie uma mensagem para:
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modificar a senha, etc.), visite sua p?gina de inscri??o em:
http://paulodinis.com/mailman/options/forum_paulodinis.com/consultoria%40pau
lodinis.com
<http://paulodinis.com/mailman/options/forum_paulodinis.com/consultoria%40pa
ulodinis.com> Voc? tamb?m pode fazer tais ajustes via e-mail enviando uma
mensagem para:
Forum-request at paulodinis.com <mailto:Forum-request at paulodinis.com> com a
palavra 'help' no assunto ou corpo da mensagem (n?o inclua as aspas), e voc?
receber? uma mensagem com instru??es. Voc? deve saber sua senha para
modificar as suas op??es (incluindo a pr?pria senha) ou para se
desinscrever. Ela ?: bediar Normalmente, o Mailman lhe lembrar? de suas
senhas em paulodinis.com uma vez por m?s, mas pode desativar isto se
preferir. Este lembrete tamb?m inclui instru??es de como se desinscrever ou
modificar suas op??es de conta. Tamb?m existe um bot?o em sua p?gina de
op??es que poder? lhe enviar a senha.


Paulo Dinis
Certified Safety Tecnician
Ergonomist
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb  6 01:09:12 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:09:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <A706A4F8-582C-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
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At 2:43 PM -0800 2004/02/05, Mark Dadgar wrote:

>  Yes, but in the text to which I was referring (that you snipped in
>  your reply above), you stated that it's easy enough to solve Reply
>  All problem of ending up with the original sender and the list
>  address in the To: line by just deleting the original sender's
>  address.  But now you're telling me that's not an option in a
>  large number (in terms of user base) of mail clients.
>
>  So, pick one.  Which way do you want it?

	In the clients I've seen, the original sender would get put in 
the "To:" field, and in a reply that would be unchangeable.  All the 
other addresses would get put in the "Cc:" field, and that would be 
changeable.

	Setting "Reply-To:" to the list would cause the reply to be sent 
only to the list, and that would be in the unchangeable "To:" header. 
Not setting this field at all would allow the reply to go back to the 
original poster, with the other addresses changeable.

>  That's pretty cool.  BUT, how many of those 5 million plus lowest
>  common denominator people did you actually interact with?

	Quite a lot.

>  But in any case, this is irrelevant.  I don't think you can
>  dictate behaviour to everyone based on your sampling.

	No, but I can tell you that I've seen behaviour on many, many 
occasions which you don't ever appear to have seen, and in my 
experience that is typically explained by the size of the user base 
in question.

>  How often does that really happen (that sensitive information is
>  shared).  I mean, really.

	Quite frequently, actually.  Moreover, just once is more than enough.

>  It could.  Nice corner case.  And I would not advocate turning Reply
>  To List on in a circumstance like that.

	It's actually a quite common case, not a corner.

>  But in the rest of the majority of cases, where accidentally
>  replying to the list broadcasts nothing more seriously than
>  your Aunt Martha's secret carrotcake recipe, the risk is worth
>  living with in exchange for the myriad benefits.

	What "myriad benefits"?  I haven't heard a single one.

>  Don't you think this is a bit of a stretch?  We're not talking
>  about air traffic control here.

	No, not really.  You really can lose your job over these kinds of 
things.  Someone losing their life is not out of the question.

	In essence, you really are playing a form of Russian Roulette.

>  At the end of the day, though, it doesn't really matter what
>  the size of the list is, PROVIDED that you can tailer the
>  software appropriately to your intended use.  You are
>  advocating making that impossible.

	No, I'm not.  I am not advocating that this feature be removed 
from Mailman.  I am advocating that this feature be left turned off, 
unless an experienced administrator (who fully understands the issues 
involved) decides that it is necessary for their particular purpose. 
I can't imagine what that is, and I am kind of hesitant to give 
people tools to shoot their feet off casually, but I do recognize 
that there might be situations where it could be useful.

	However, from what I've seen from you so far, you do not have 
enough experience to fully understand all the issues.


	Maybe it should be a feature that requires changing the source code....

>  I love arguments like that.  Nonsensical, but completely irrefutable.

	Obviously, you haven't lost a job over situations like this. 
Until something of that scale happens to you, you may well not 
understand.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb  6 01:14:55 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:14:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <F79A5052-582C-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev> <Pny1i80L6K@lena.kiev>
	<p0600204cbc487489f682@[10.0.1.3]>
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Message-ID: <p0600204ebc488bb8656e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:45 PM -0800 2004/02/05, Mark Dadgar wrote:

>  LOL!  You are a defense attorney's worst nightmare!

	My wife is a general counsel of a company with hundreds of 
billions of euros of daily turnover, and over ten trillions of euros 
of assets under management.  It used to be owned by one of the 
biggest Investment banks in the world, before they spun off that 
operation and sold it to the customers.

	She was also a key person in the creation of the electronic 
version of the London Stock Exchange, and (so far as I know) has been 
the only person ever loaned by the US Securities and Exchange 
Commission to a government of another country.


	She has archives going back as long as she's been on the 
Internet.  She was most likely materially involved in the creation of 
the SEC rule that requires seven year retention on all forms of 
communication between stock brokers and their customers.

	So, what's your point?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb  6 01:27:10 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:27:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <20040205232337.GW26272@hq.newdream.net>
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev> <Pny1i80L6K@lena.kiev>
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	<20040205232337.GW26272@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <p06002051bc488e3afbf4@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:23 PM -0800 2004/02/05, Will Yardley wrote:

>  Not to mention a system administrator's worst nightmare...

	I am a SAGE Level IV system administrator, with fifteen years of 
experience, and I've helped build some of the biggest mail systems on 
the planet -- and various other related projects.  I've also done a 
variety of invited talks at the largest industry conferences for 
system administrators.  I am involved in the System Administrators 
Guild, and I plan on getting much more heavily involved.

	I have four Sun UltraSPARC 10 clones downstairs that will be used 
to support NTP development for FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and I may 
run Solaris on the fourth machine as a support system.  I also have a 
four-processor dishwasher-size box with twelve SCSI hard drives and a 
hardware RAID controller that is going to be the main fileserver. 
Then there's an ancient Sun SPARC 4 clone and my wife's first laptop 
(Compaq Armada 4131T with a single 133MHz Pentium processor, 48MB of 
RAM, and a 10GB hard drive that I stuffed in).

	I've also got a nice little secure wireless network here in the 
house, with several access points and over a dozen different 802.11b, 
b/g, and a/b/g cards.  And then there's the various hand-held 
computers, some with WiFi and GPS accessories, etc....

	I am my own system administrator.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb  6 01:19:44 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:19:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large List Considerations
In-Reply-To: <1076022372.3805.48.camel@gimli.at.home>
References: <BC47E673.FBE6A%lists@lastonepicked.com>
	<1076016487.3252.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1076022372.3805.48.camel@gimli.at.home>
Message-ID: <p06002050bc488dd3e39a@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:06 AM +0100 2004/02/06, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:

>  Which raises the question if simply adding the RAM to the system thus
>  increasing the disk cache (and not dedicated to just one part of the app
>  and - given the above description - wasting 50% of it almost completely,
>  not considering fault-tolerance and similar) won't be as good (if not
>  batter)??

	Any cache is going to have to hit the disk at some point, and 
disks are many orders of magnitude slower than RAM.  Moreover, 
coordinating that effort of periodically hitting the disk would 
really, really slow things down.  Using pure RAM really will be more 
effective.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From mark at pdc-racing.net  Fri Feb  6 01:57:38 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:57:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <p0600204ebc488bb8656e@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev> <Pny1i80L6K@lena.kiev>
	<p0600204cbc487489f682@[10.0.1.3]>
	<F79A5052-582C-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<p0600204ebc488bb8656e@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <75BAD802-583F-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>

On Feb 5, 2004, at 4:14 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
>>  LOL!  You are a defense attorney's worst nightmare!
>
> 	My wife is a general counsel of a company with hundreds of billions 
> of euros of daily turnover, and over ten trillions of euros of assets 
> under management.  It used to be owned by one of the biggest 
> Investment banks in the world, before they spun off that operation and 
> sold it to the customers.
>
> 	She was also a key person in the creation of the electronic version 
> of the London Stock Exchange, and (so far as I know) has been the only 
> person ever loaned by the US Securities and Exchange Commission to a 
> government of another country.
>
>
> 	She has archives going back as long as she's been on the Internet.  
> She was most likely materially involved in the creation of the SEC 
> rule that requires seven year retention on all forms of communication 
> between stock brokers and their customers.
>
> 	So, what's your point?

Unless you've been in my position, you wouldn't understand it.

- Mark




From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Feb  6 01:58:58 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:58:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <E1Aostv-0004Ss-3R@mail.python.org>
References: <E1Aostv-0004Ss-3R@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040205185352.07855ec0@mail.thcwd.com>

      My apologies for bringing it up at all!!

      I think the issue for the developers is theory vs. reality.  What is 
the desired behaviour for the majority of new Mailman lists?  Should not 
that be the default, with appropriate explanations?

      Personally I am very happy with Mailman, and I find most of the 
settings easy to understand and well documented.  I'd like to think most 
folks who are new to Mailman will take as much time to learn it as I did, 
but what I see on this list suggests that this is less and less 
common.  Yes I know what they say about making something idiot proof - but 
does mean one should ignore the situation completely.


<>< Paul
There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and 
those who don't.




From mark at pdc-racing.net  Fri Feb  6 02:00:21 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:00:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <p0600204dbc4887ee820f@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <E1AodDI-00019X-1y@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040205120816.07880c40@mail.thcwd.com>
	<p06002043bc485103a31f@[10.0.1.3]>
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On Feb 5, 2004, at 4:09 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
>>  At the end of the day, though, it doesn't really matter what
>>  the size of the list is, PROVIDED that you can tailer the
>>  software appropriately to your intended use.  You are
>>  advocating making that impossible.
>
> 	No, I'm not.  I am not advocating that this feature be removed from 
> Mailman.  I am advocating that this feature be left turned off, unless 
> an experienced administrator (who fully understands the issues 
> involved) decides that it is necessary for their particular purpose. I 
> can't imagine what that is, and I am kind of hesitant to give people 
> tools to shoot their feet off casually, but I do recognize that there 
> might be situations where it could be useful.

So what are we arguing about?!

> 	However, from what I've seen from you so far, you do not have enough 
> experience to fully understand all the issues.

Oh yeah, that.

>>  I love arguments like that.  Nonsensical, but completely irrefutable.
>
> 	Obviously, you haven't lost a job over situations like this. Until 
> something of that scale happens to you, you may well not understand.

You have just reset my personal bar in the field of arrogance.  
Congratulations - it's quite an accomplishment.

This has also become very boring, as I imagine the rest of the list 
found out multiple emails ago.

Your mind is set.  It must be very confining in there.

I'm done.

- Mark
-----
mark at pdc-racing.net




From mark at pdc-racing.net  Fri Feb  6 02:02:01 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:02:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <p06002051bc488e3afbf4@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev> <Pny1i80L6K@lena.kiev>
	<p0600204cbc487489f682@[10.0.1.3]>
	<F79A5052-582C-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<20040205232337.GW26272@hq.newdream.net>
	<p06002051bc488e3afbf4@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <123C4113-5840-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>

On Feb 5, 2004, at 4:27 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
>>  Not to mention a system administrator's worst nightmare...
>
> 	I am a SAGE Level IV system administrator, with fifteen years of 
> experience, and I've helped build some of the biggest mail systems on 
> the planet -- and various other related projects.

Cool!  I'm a Level 10 Paladin with 115 hit points!

(ok, *now* I'm done)

- Mark
-----
mark at pdc-racing.net




From mark at pdc-racing.net  Fri Feb  6 02:05:37 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:05:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040205185352.07855ec0@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <E1Aostv-0004Ss-3R@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040205185352.07855ec0@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <931F6291-5840-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>

On Feb 5, 2004, at 4:58 PM, Paul H Byerly wrote:
>      My apologies for bringing it up at all!!
>

Agreed!  My apologies to everyone for posting a cranky note last night 
and really getting the ball rolling.

>      Personally I am very happy with Mailman, and I find most of the 
> settings easy to understand and well documented.

Agreed!  Great software.

- Mark




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb  6 02:13:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 02:13:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <123C4113-5840-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev> <Pny1i80L6K@lena.kiev>
	<p0600204cbc487489f682@[10.0.1.3]>
	<F79A5052-582C-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<20040205232337.GW26272@hq.newdream.net>
	<p06002051bc488e3afbf4@[10.0.1.3]>
	<123C4113-5840-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <p06002052bc489a0ac0cb@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:02 PM -0800 2004/02/05, Mark Dadgar wrote:

>  Cool!  I'm a Level 10 Paladin with 115 hit points!

	If you want to talk about D&D, I do have a number of characters I 
could discuss.  Which version would you prefer to start with?  The 
original boxed edition, AD&D, 2nd edition AD&D, or something else?


	Maybe you'd prefer to talk about real-world things?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From adam.steer at alia.org.au  Fri Feb  6 02:43:24 2004
From: adam.steer at alia.org.au (Adam Steer)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 12:43:24 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Reply to list
Message-ID: <s0238c0b.035@alia.org.au>

hmm. seems the preceding discussion is a good example of why 'reply to
list' could be a bad thing ;-)

reply-to-list is a *configurable* thing, on a per-list basis, without
needing access to anything except a MM list admin interface. I'd hope
system admins of any experience would be able to handle inspecting
default configurations and adjusting them to suit.

whether or not reply-to-list is good, bad, or ugly is moot. it's an
option system admins [and individual list admins - independently] are
able to exercise control over.

..and you still get to manually adjust 'to', 'cc', 'bc' addresses in..
hang on - every - mail client. oh, about every time you send an e-mail.

it's a basic rule of e-mail since day dot: check your target addresses,
just like paper mail...

we find it pretty useful for our small-but-active e-list communities.
Some don't like it, so they change their lists to 'reply to sender'.

move on? I vote yes.

.a

>>> Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be> 6/02/2004 12:13:01 pm >>>
At 5:02 PM -0800 2004/02/05, Mark Dadgar wrote:

>  Cool!  I'm a Level 10 Paladin with 115 hit points!

	If you want to talk about D&D, I do have a number of characters
I 
could discuss.  Which version would you prefer to start with?  The 
original boxed edition, AD&D, 2nd edition AD&D, or something else?


	Maybe you'd prefer to talk about real-world things?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---)
W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++)
R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)*
z(+++)

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From allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org  Fri Feb  6 02:55:40 2004
From: allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org (Ako Ito)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:55:40 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] genaliases and templates problem
Message-ID: <003801c3ec54$52b44620$72a017ac@asiandevbank.org>

hello sirs,
how can i add an entry whenever genaliases is executed it can add a field below with the unsub field..
in 2.1.3 i manually add it on the aliases file and upon issuing genaliases, but upon upgrading to 2.1.4
whenever i execute the genaliases script.. all manually added line on the aliases file gets discarded.. :-(

example:             "|mailman post example"
example-admin:       "|mailman admin example"
example-bounces:     "|mailman bounces example"
example-confirm:     "|mailman confirm example"
example-join:        "|mailman join example"
example-leave:       "|mailman leave example"
example-owner:       "|mailman owner example"
example-request:     "|mailman request example"
example-subscribe:   "|mailman subscribe example"
example-unsubscribe: "|mailman unsubscribe example"
example-unsub:       "|mailman leave example"

what do i need to edit to generate the extra line above..
and lastly.. they say that on mailman 2.1 templates can be
configured per mailing list as opposed to the 2.0 version which
whatever templates you edit it applies to all list.. how can i
implement this... can i just copy the $mailman/templates/en on
all mailing list and edit each templates per mailing list?

thanks,
allan 




From mark at pdc-racing.net  Fri Feb  6 02:58:15 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:58:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Admin Messages
In-Reply-To: <A40C87CC-5802-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <A40C87CC-5802-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <ED211166-5847-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>

On Feb 5, 2004, at 9:42 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote:
> One of my lists is suddenly producing duplicate admin messages.  I get 
> two copies of each message.  I've never seen this before I upgraded to 
> RHEL 3.1 a week or so ago.  Only one list is affected.

So I figured this out.  My address was listed as both list owner and 
list moderator.

This behaviour must have changed with 2.1.4, as my list has been 
configured this way since 2.0.13 and I've always gotten just one copy 
of each admin email.

Anyone know what's up here?

- Mark
-----
mark at pdc-racing.net




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb  6 03:23:09 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 05 Feb 2004 21:23:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME set to 0 caused processor
	overload
Message-ID: <1076034189.3252.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I just had a client who had set:
  QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(0)

This was on a 2.1.x install, and it caused a huge load on the
processors. That was the problem.  Mailman was eating up way too much
processor.

Five qrunners were running continuously whether they had files to
process or not... it was quite perplexing until I happened to look in
the mm_cfg.py file and saw that the qrunner sleep time had been set to 0

  qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
  qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
  qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
  qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
  qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s

Changing the setting back to the default:
  QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1)
resolved the problem of too high a processor load.

A cautionary tale - Jon Carnes






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb  6 03:28:33 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 05 Feb 2004 21:28:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME set to 0 caused
	processor	overload
In-Reply-To: <1076034189.3252.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1076034189.3252.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1076034513.3252.37.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 21:23, Jon Carnes wrote:
> I just had a client who had set:
>   QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(0)
> 
> This was on a 2.1.x install, and it caused a huge load on the
> processors. That was the problem.  Mailman was eating up way too much
> processor.
> 
> Five qrunners were running continuously whether they had files to
> process or not... it was quite perplexing until I happened to look in
> the mm_cfg.py file and saw that the qrunner sleep time had been set to 0
> 
>   qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
>   qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
>   qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
>   qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
>   qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
> 
> Changing the setting back to the default:
>   QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1)
> resolved the problem of too high a processor load.
> 
> A cautionary tale - Jon Carnes
> 

Opps. Just for accuracy's sake, the "OutgoingRunner" was not a problem,
but the "ArchiveRunner" was.

Jon Carnes




From lists at sthomas.net  Fri Feb  6 03:48:13 2004
From: lists at sthomas.net (Steve Thomas)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:48:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two sub/unsub confirmations sent
Message-ID: <20040205184813.C950@sthomas.net>

Background...
 RedHat 9, kernel 2.4.20-27.9
 Mailman 2.1.1
 Exim 4.3

I've googled for the answer to this and I've been lurking on the list for a while but haven't seen/found anyone having the same problem. If I just missed something, feel free to flame but please point me to the post/thread/faq.

Everything's working fine (sub, unsub, posting) *except* that when someone sends a subscription or unsubscription request, they recieve two separate confirmation messages. The messages use two different unique tokens, as if two separate subscription requests were sent.

This only happens with requests sent via e-mail; requests from the web form work as expected. The exim logs (below) show that it's only delivering one message to Mailman, but Mailman is sending two responses. I can post the exim router/transport if necessary.

I've gone over the settings in mm_cfg.py and didn't see anything that could be causing this problem.

Anyone know what the problem could be?

Thanks,
Steve

relevant (sanitized) exim log entries:
2004-02-05 18:13:11 1AovUV-0003AL-60 <= myaddress at server1.example.com H=rrcs-west-24-199-24-165.biz.rr.com (server1.example.com) [24.199.24.165] P=esmtp S=1522 id=20040205181230.A950 at example.com
2004-02-05 18:13:11 1AovUV-0003AL-60 => testing <testing-request at server2.example.com> R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport
2004-02-05 18:13:11 1AovUV-0003AL-60 Completed
2004-02-05 18:13:33 1AovUr-0003Ab-0P <= testing-bounces at server2.example.com H=localhost (server2.example.com) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=1856 id=mailman.0.1076033591.12135.testing at server2.example.com
2004-02-05 18:13:33 1AovUr-0003An-Ah <= testing-bounces at server2.example.com H=localhost (server2.example.com) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=1856 id=mailman.1.1076033591.12135.testing at server2.example.com
2004-02-05 18:13:54 1AovUr-0003Ab-0P => myotheraddress at example.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=example.com [24.199.24.165]
2004-02-05 18:13:54 1AovUr-0003Ab-0P Completed
2004-02-05 18:13:54 1AovUr-0003An-Ah => myotheraddress at example.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=example.com [24.199.24.165]
2004-02-05 18:13:54 1AovUr-0003An-Ah Completed


-- 
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- Mario Andretti



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Feb  6 03:57:06 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:57:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <B37B4458-57FD-11D8-A861-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <1075984650.3031.6.camel@tara.firmix.at>
Message-ID: <4022BC32.1065.F08376@localhost>

On 5 Feb 2004 at 9:06, Mark Dadgar wrote:

> Yeah, it's so damned hard to edit the To: line, isn't it?  Wow.  I
> don't know how people ever manage to send email in the first place.

Yep it is once you get inside of some corporate mail systems. The 
>From line gets hosed, but the Reply-To doesn't get touched.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I've learned....
That the easiest way for me to grow as a person is to surround myself 
with people smarter than I am.





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb  6 04:50:08 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 05 Feb 2004 22:50:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending requests?
In-Reply-To: <1075992519.402257c75624d@odon.nl>
References: <1075992519.402257c75624d@odon.nl>
Message-ID: <1076039408.3252.76.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 09:48, Hans Middelhoek wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> We are using mailman on our webservers and are very convenient about it. 
> But I want to ask you something. I hope you can help me with it. One of our 
> customers uses mailman and gets a mail every day with the following content:
> 
> ----------------
> The Dust at entropy8zuper.org mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for
> your consideration at:
> 
>         http://entropy8zuper.org/mailman/admindb/dust_entropy8zuper.org
>         
> Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
> pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.
> ------------------
> 
> As you can see the name of the mailing list is 'dust'. When we look at the 
> given URL we can't find any requests.
> 
> We have been looking for a/the solution. Also we searched in the control 
> panel but couldn't find a relevant option. Only the following but not sure 
> this is the correct one. Maybe you can tell me where to look for the 
> solution. The option that it could be, as far as I know, I found in the 
> control panel at general options and finally "Should administrator get 
> notices of subscribes/unsubscribes?" At the moment 'yes' is selected here.
> 
> I hope you want to help me out with this, but I can imagine I'm not the 
> only one mailing, so you also may give me a URL of a forum where I can post 
> it to get to the solution.
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> 
> Yours sincerely, 
> 
> Hans Middelhoek

Hans, you neglect to tell us which version of Mailman you are using!!!

If you are using a version 2.1.x then you can simply look in the
~mailman/data directory for the held message and delete it. Then move to
the ~mailman/lists/<listname>/ and delete the request.db file.

If you are using an earlier version of Mailman, then you will have to
take another list's empty request.db file and copy it over the existing
one (in order to blank it out).

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From jamie at silverdream.org  Fri Feb  6 05:14:36 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 04:14:36 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains and admin passwords
Message-ID: <1076040876.22164.145.camel@localhost>

Hey all,

Currently I've got mailman setup with virtual domains support, it works
by having a sub-domain assigned to mailman - lists (ex.
lists.somewhere.net, lists.otherplace.org, etc.). This is all fine and
good, except that all of the domains share the same site administrator
password. 

Is there anyway of allowing users to add/remove/change mailing lists
only on their site? In other words, they use a password to access the
admin interface to add mailing lists, but it only works on a particular
domain...?

I've googled on the subject, but couldn't find anything relevant...

Many thanks in advance,

-j

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Feb  6 08:02:06 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:02:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040205185352.07855ec0@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <E1Aostv-0004Ss-3R@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040205185352.07855ec0@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <5FBD4D8A-5872-11D8-9DB5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Feb 5, 2004, at 4:58 PM, Paul H Byerly wrote:

>      I think the issue for the developers is theory vs. reality.  What 
> is the desired behaviour for the majority of new Mailman lists?  
> Should not that be the default, with appropriate explanations?

This isn't the answer some will want to hear, but -- the defaults are 
the desired behavior for the majority of new mailman lists, based on 
the combined wisdom of the Mailman developers, and after long 
consideration and not a little enthusiastic discussion among interested 
users here on theese lists (you think this is the first time this has 
come up?)

You may not agree with them, they may not be appropriate for your list 
or users, but they aren't set that way by mistake or accident. They are 
set based on how we feel things work best under normal circumstances 
and for typical (especially less experienced and non-geek users). Our 
feeling is the geeks and the experts know how to tweak their own 
enivronment to suit their needs, the novices don't. So the geeks don't 
need us setting defaults -- and the novices do.

We also don't feel that the argument "yahoogroups" does it, because 
some of us feel that Yahoo is horribly broken (and remember, 
yahoogroups is configured to maximize messages that go through the 
list, and entries that go to the archives, because that maximizes how 
many ads they can send and how many click ads they can display. Those 
are not necessarily the best reasons to set defaults if you aren't 
trying to generate a revenue stream like Yahoo). Besides, if you buy 
into the argument that Mailman should do things like Yahoo becaues 
Yahoo is really large and they do it that way, then I guess all e-mail 
clients ought to operate like AOL's does, and we should throw out all 
client features that, and we should dump mac os x and linux for 
windows, because of microsoft's market share. Large market shares is 
not a persuading reason in and of itself.

> well documented.  I'd like to think most folks who are new to Mailman 
> will take as much time to learn it as I did, but what I see on this 
> list suggests that this is less and less common.

You only see the problems on this list. You don't see the much greater 
number of sites and users who are happy. Be ware of assuming the 
squeaky wheel speaks for the whole wagon....





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Feb  6 08:02:44 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:02:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <123C4113-5840-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev> <Pny1i80L6K@lena.kiev>
	<p0600204cbc487489f682@[10.0.1.3]>
	<F79A5052-582C-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<20040205232337.GW26272@hq.newdream.net>
	<p06002051bc488e3afbf4@[10.0.1.3]>
	<123C4113-5840-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <7642151D-5872-11D8-9DB5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Feb 5, 2004, at 5:02 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote:
> Cool!  I'm a Level 10 Paladin with 115 hit points!
>
> (ok, *now* I'm done)
>

lightweight. I'd have you killed, but you're not worth the karma points.





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Feb  6 08:06:12 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:06:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <75BAD802-583F-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev> <Pny1i80L6K@lena.kiev>
	<p0600204cbc487489f682@[10.0.1.3]>
	<F79A5052-582C-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
	<p0600204ebc488bb8656e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<75BAD802-583F-11D8-961C-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <F2421992-5872-11D8-9DB5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Feb 5, 2004, at 4:57 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote:

>> 	So, what's your point?
>
> Unless you've been in my position, you wouldn't understand it.
>

Actually, since I know Brad pretty well by now, I'll bet he would.

Try him and see.




From jake at sunsiteweb.com  Fri Feb  6 08:34:10 2004
From: jake at sunsiteweb.com (Jake Sadoff)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:34:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe
Message-ID: <FNEOKLJBGHJHKECEPDLOMEJGCFAA.jake@sunsiteweb.com>


 Hello all,

I'm wondering if anyone can help me ... I need a way to allow users to
automatically unsubscribe themselves from my mailman list by filling out a
form.  Right now, users have to email me asking to be removed, and then I
have to do it manually for each user/request, which is taking wayyyyy too
long.   Any help would be soooo much appreciated!!!

Thank you!!
Jake 
jake at sunsiteweb.com


From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Feb  6 09:05:04 2004
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 06 Feb 2004 09:05:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <FNEOKLJBGHJHKECEPDLOMEJGCFAA.jake@sunsiteweb.com>
References: <FNEOKLJBGHJHKECEPDLOMEJGCFAA.jake@sunsiteweb.com>
Message-ID: <soylent-green-mm-m2brociqfj.fsf@neubauer-cvk.charite.de>

"Jake Sadoff" <jake at sunsiteweb.com> writes:

> I'm wondering if anyone can help me ... I need a way to allow users to
> automatically unsubscribe themselves from my mailman list by filling out a
> form.  Right now, users have to email me asking to be removed, and then I
> have to do it manually for each user/request, which is taking wayyyyy too
> long.

Send a e-mail to "$LISTNAME-request at fqdn.tld" with help in subject
and/or body and you get a manual.


Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Detlef Neubauer
-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From jamie at silverdream.org  Fri Feb  6 10:56:44 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 09:56:44 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <FNEOKLJBGHJHKECEPDLOMEJGCFAA.jake@sunsiteweb.com>
References: <FNEOKLJBGHJHKECEPDLOMEJGCFAA.jake@sunsiteweb.com>
Message-ID: <1076061404.22164.261.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 07:34, Jake Sadoff wrote:
>  Hello all,
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone can help me ... I need a way to allow users to
> automatically unsubscribe themselves from my mailman list by filling out a
> form.  Right now, users have to email me asking to be removed, and then I
> have to do it manually for each user/request, which is taking wayyyyy too
> long.   Any help would be soooo much appreciated!!!
> 
> Thank you!!
> Jake 

If you've got the web interface setup correctly they need only go to
that, enter their email address and click unsubscribe, or - even easier
- send an email to yourlist-leave at yourhost.com - as long as you've got
Privacy Options / unsubscribe_policy set to 'No', unsubscribe requests
won't be moderated, which is the [only reasonable] default.

Just a suggestion for future postings - some people might ignore your
message because it *looks* from the subject just like another 'I can't
figure out how to unsubscribe so I'll try sending an email to the
mailing list' message.

-j

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From javier.romero at cedex.es  Fri Feb  6 11:59:06 2004
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:59:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] init.d mailman script in solaris 
Message-ID: <4023737A.5090804@cedex.es>

hi mates!
i have a problem with init.d mailman script in solaris 8 (mailman 
2.1.3)...   i've just copied  _/scripts/mailman   into _/init.d,  and 
click on the webmin Start at boot time flag ,  but when i reboot machine 
(init 6) two /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s 
-q start has executed, and i get two mailmanctl runnig with 9 qrunner 
process each...

Could somebody help me?

-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX





From Buddy at DataBoySoftware.com  Fri Feb  6 12:10:20 2004
From: Buddy at DataBoySoftware.com (Buddy Logan)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 03:10:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribers not receiving mail
Message-ID: <002001c3eca1$cfd8fd60$1ac2fea9@Buddy>

Just set up an account.
Entered 4 subscribers in the mass subscriptions form. (All my own addresses for test purposes.)
Received acknowledgment that the account had been set up.
Received acknowledgement that the subscribers had been registered.
Subscribers received "Welcome" messages.
Messages posted to list are received by admin address, and notice of posting is received by the poster.
Subscribers are not receiving postings to the list.

After hours of messing around with settings, I started over with a new account.
This time I did not change any of the default settings.
All responses were the same as above.

I'm very time-urgent on getting this up and running. 
Any ideas?

-- Buddy Logan
buddy at databoysoftware.com

From christian at looony.de  Fri Feb  6 14:22:07 2004
From: christian at looony.de (christian)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:22:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with cron script
Message-ID: <402394FF.2040801@looony.de>

Hi @all

I installed mailman 2.1.4 out from the source on my suse 8.1 system.
Everything is working fine except one of the cron scripts, every minute 
I get a mail with the following content

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?
    from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ?
    from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO

How can I fix the problem?

Cu

Christian



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb  6 15:05:50 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Feb 2004 09:05:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with cron script
In-Reply-To: <402394FF.2040801@looony.de>
References: <402394FF.2040801@looony.de>
Message-ID: <1076076350.3167.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 08:22, christian wrote:
> Hi @all
> 
> I installed mailman 2.1.4 out from the source on my suse 8.1 system.
> Everything is working fine except one of the cron scripts, every minute 
> I get a mail with the following content
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?
>     from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ?
>     from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
> ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO
> 
> How can I fix the problem?
> 
> Cu
> 
> Christian
> 
My guess is that you had an earlier version of Mailman running at one
time and you haven't replaced the mailman cron table with the new
entries (or more importantly deleted the old cron entry that ran qrunner
every minute).

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From caudron at digitalelite.com  Fri Feb  6 15:06:01 2004
From: caudron at digitalelite.com (Tom and Denise Caudron)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 09:06:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] QMail, Gentoo, and Mailman?
Message-ID: <1076076361.1795.20.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>

I'm running Gentoo on my server (just a personal home server) and I've
installed QMail 1.03-r8 to handle smtp for the LAN.  This has worked
perfectly for a while now.  I have been using a provider to handle the
POP side of my mail for reasons of reliability (I don't want a power
outage on my end to mean bounced messages for everyone trying to reach
me).  My previous host allowed me to set up mailing lists on their end
(Mindospring) but I changed over to 1and1 and they do not offer a
similar service so I decided to set up a mailing list service on my home
server so I installed Mailman 2.1.4 on the same box as my QMail setup.

Here're my questions:

1) I want to be able to set up a "MyList at MyDomain.com" mail account on
the provider's side and let Mailman check it and treat it like a mailing
list on my side.  Is it possible to tell mailman to use remote pop
accounts or must I be running a local pop service?

2) None of the primary Gentoo maintainers for Mailman seem to be using
QMail.  Therefore, when I emerged it I found myself loking at
documentation that is mostly for people with different smtp services
running.  I am profoundly lost.  I've never set up a mailing list
service before.  Can anyone point me to a decent how-to for QMail and
Mailman?

So far, I've added the mailman default aliases to the /etc/mail/aliases
file.  I could not, however, run newaliases, since apparently QMail
doesn't install /usr/bin/newaliases.  That would be installed if I were
using ssmtp or something else, but as you all probably know, QMail does
things...um...differently.

I don't care about web presenses for the lists, or archives even.  I
just need the ablility to check a pop account and forward it like a
mailing list (and of course alter the headers so that it acts like a
mailing list as well).  Is Mailman too much for what I need?  Seems
pretty powerful (and cool) so it was the one I wanted to install, but
I'd hate to triple my work if there's a less powerful, but simpler and
more approriate app out there.

Any help you can provide would be appreciated.  I really haven't a clue
what I'm doing here.  :-)

-Tom Caudron




From simon at caperet.com  Fri Feb  6 15:13:30 2004
From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:13:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] QMail, Gentoo, and Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <1076076361.1795.20.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
References: <1076076361.1795.20.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
Message-ID: <20040206141330.GO618@mediadev.com>

06-Feb-04 at 09:06, Tom and Denise Caudron (caudron at digitalelite.com) wrote :
> 1) I want to be able to set up a "MyList at MyDomain.com" mail account on
> the provider's side and let Mailman check it and treat it like a mailing
> list on my side.  Is it possible to tell mailman to use remote pop
> accounts or must I be running a local pop service?

You need fetchmail. It will go to a POP mailbox, get the mail, rewrite
addresses as needed, and forward it to your local SMTP server which will
have aliases for Mailman. Easy to set up, you can have it run every 5-10
minutes or something, which should allow for all but the highest volume
mailing list requirements. Downtime your end just means a gap in mailing
list distribution.

> 2) None of the primary Gentoo maintainers for Mailman seem to be using
> QMail.  Therefore, when I emerged it I found myself loking at
> documentation that is mostly for people with different smtp services
> running.  I am profoundly lost.  I've never set up a mailing list
> service before.  Can anyone point me to a decent how-to for QMail and
> Mailman?

I don't know qmail, can't help you here. I could flippantly say emerge
postfix instead, but that's not helping you any.

Cheers,

-- 
Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration.
email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access
     Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team.



From paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com  Fri Feb  6 15:31:17 2004
From: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com (Paulo Dinis)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:31:17 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after personalization
In-Reply-To: <002001c3eca1$cfd8fd60$1ac2fea9@Buddy>
Message-ID: <DOEGLPDHCNMOAOCEKJICOELKCIAA.paulo.dinis@paulodinis.com>

Hi to all,

I?ve customized the personalization options.
At this pint, all emails comes from the forum email address, to the mailing
list address, but also with CC repeated in all messages.
Anyone else experiencing this difficulty ?


Paulo Dinis

Certified Safety Tecnician
Ergonomist
Website : http://www.paulodinis.com/






From caudron at digitalelite.com  Fri Feb  6 16:24:38 2004
From: caudron at digitalelite.com (Tom and Denise Caudron)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:24:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] QMail, Gentoo, and Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <20040206141330.GO618@mediadev.com>
References: <1076076361.1795.20.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
	<20040206141330.GO618@mediadev.com>
Message-ID: <1076081078.1795.37.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>

Simon White said, "You need fetchmail. It will go to a POP mailbox, get
the mail, rewrite addresses as needed, and forward it to your local SMTP
server which will have aliases for Mailman."

Thanks.  That's just what I was hoping to hear.  Can anyone point me to
any docs that talk about that process at all?  I'm sure it's relatively
simple, but after all the conf files I've stared at this morning, I'm
starting to get a bad case of Jumbled-Brain and I'd like a nice how-to. 
:-)

Simon White said, "I don't know qmail, can't help you here. I could
flippantly say emerge postfix instead, but that's not helping you any."

You'd be surprised.  I'm unmerging qmail and I'll be emerging postfix. 
You aren't the only one to say that postfix is far easier to use with
mailman and while I like qmail, i ain't married to it.

Like above, if anyone knows of a good how-to for setting up postfix with
mailman, please feel free to pass it along.  :-)

-Tom Caudron




From dan at langille.org  Fri Feb  6 16:30:54 2004
From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:30:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail comes in, never goes out
In-Reply-To: <402223C3.22681.532F81@localhost>
References: <40218CEB.14986.31E9D906@localhost>
Message-ID: <40236CDE.1010.55911D1@localhost>

On 5 Feb 2004 at 11:06, Dan Langille wrote:

> On 5 Feb 2004 at 0:23, Dan Langille wrote:
> 
> > Hi folks.
> > 
> > I'm running mailman-2.1.3 with postfix-2.0.16,1 on FreeBSD 4.9.  
> > Mailman was installed a few months ago.  A few days ago, mail stopped 
> > being delivered.  Viewing /var/log/maillog, I can see the mail is 
> > coming in, but never being delivered:
> 
> This appears to be a known problem: http://www.mail-
> archive.com/mailman-developers at python.org/msg06317.html
> 
> But the patch provide there does not fix the problem.  After 
> patching, running unshunt gives this in mailman/log/error:
> 
> Feb 05 07:57:07 2004 (27060) Dequeuing message destined for missing 
> list: planners
> Feb 05 07:57:07 2004 (27060) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module 
> name
> Feb 05 07:57:07 2004 (27060) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in 
> _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in 
> _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 
> 130, in _dispose
>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 
> 153, in _dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 90, in 
> process
>     send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, 
> in send_digests
>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 304, 
> in send_i18n_digests
>     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 311, 
> in process
>     t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/__init__.py", line 84, in 
> search_function
>     globals(), locals(), _import_tail)
> ValueError: Empty module name

My thanks to Tokio Kikuchi for providing the solution to this 
problem: 

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-
February/016508.html

-- 
Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/
BSDCan - http://www.bsdcan.org/




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb  6 16:54:09 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Feb 2004 10:54:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] QMail, Gentoo, and Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <1076081078.1795.37.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
References: <1076076361.1795.20.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
	<20040206141330.GO618@mediadev.com>
	<1076081078.1795.37.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
Message-ID: <1076082848.3167.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 10:24, Tom and Denise Caudron wrote:
> Simon White said, "You need fetchmail. It will go to a POP mailbox, get
> the mail, rewrite addresses as needed, and forward it to your local SMTP
> server which will have aliases for Mailman."
> 
> Thanks.  That's just what I was hoping to hear.  Can anyone point me to
> any docs that talk about that process at all?  I'm sure it's relatively
> simple, but after all the conf files I've stared at this morning, I'm
> starting to get a bad case of Jumbled-Brain and I'd like a nice how-to. 
> :-)
> 
> Simon White said, "I don't know qmail, can't help you here. I could
> flippantly say emerge postfix instead, but that's not helping you any."
> 
> You'd be surprised.  I'm unmerging qmail and I'll be emerging postfix. 
> You aren't the only one to say that postfix is far easier to use with
> mailman and while I like qmail, i ain't married to it.
> 
> Like above, if anyone knows of a good how-to for setting up postfix with
> mailman, please feel free to pass it along.  :-)
> 
> -Tom Caudron

Two cheers for *you* mate!  Simon's advice is right on.  You'll find
Postfix integrates nicely with Mailman.

In the Mailman docs you should find safely nestled away a README.POSTFIX
file.  Read it.  Everything you need to know to get Postfix working with
Mailman is in that doc.

As for Fetchmail, who could do better than *the man* himself... Eric
Raymond:
  http://catb.org/~esr/fetchmail/

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br  Fri Feb  6 18:09:55 2004
From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:09:55 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.1.4 - URGENT !!!
Message-ID: <1076087394.10731.15.camel@matrix.ccuec.unicamp.br>

Hi, Mailman GURUS !!!

I need some help over here ... hehehe ...

Well, we have a server, with the following softwares:

- Fedora Linux - Core 1 (Operational System)
- Kernel = 2.4.22-1.2140.nptlsmp
- Mailman 2.1.4 (source compiled)
- Postfix 2.0.16 (source compiled)
- Apache 1.3.29 (source compiled)
- Python 2.2.3 (RPM Package)

The troubles are the following:

1.) When I try to create a new list, over the web
(http://www.example.com/mailman/create),
I got the message: "Error: Unknown virtual host: mydomain.com.br"

So, I can't create a new list over the web, but I can create by
a command line (./newlist) ...

When I create a new list, and I post to this list, the message 
dissapers ! I can't find it !!! Bizzare ...

This is the minor of the problems ...

2.) I was a problem, have no idea how to solve this ...

When I'm using a different language (like Portuguese - pt_BR), the
Mailman crashes, and give
this message in the web:


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!




Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 163, in main
    process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 694, in process_form
    forward, forwardaddr)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 184, in HandleRequest
    forward, addr)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 373, in __handlepost
    syslog('vette', note)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 40, in write
    self.write_ex(kind, msg, args, kws)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 58, in write_ex
    logf.write(msg + '\n')
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write
    Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg))
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write
    f.write(msg)
UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)


Now, this is happening with all the list, when a message is awaiting for
an approval of the administrator ...
Every message, with an accent (like '?', or '?') give this result ...

What I supose to do ?? Made a downgrade into the mailman version (to
2.1.3) ?!?

Anyone have an idea ?!?

Thank's a lot !!!
Alessandro
___________________________________________________________________________
A  l  e  s  s  a  n  d  r  o     L  u  i  z     P  e  t  r  o  c  i  n 
o 

Support System Analyst
Computer Center - State University of Campinas (UNICAMP)
http://www.ccuec.unicamp.br
Campinas/SP - Brazil

E-Mail: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br
Phone: +55 19 3788-2229
Fax: +55 19 3788-2251
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From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br  Fri Feb  6 18:09:55 2004
From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:09:55 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.1.4 - URGENT !!!
Message-ID: <1076087394.10731.15.camel@matrix.ccuec.unicamp.br>

Hi, Mailman GURUS !!!

I need some help over here ... hehehe ...

Well, we have a server, with the following softwares:

- Fedora Linux - Core 1 (Operational System)
- Kernel = 2.4.22-1.2140.nptlsmp
- Mailman 2.1.4 (source compiled)
- Postfix 2.0.16 (source compiled)
- Apache 1.3.29 (source compiled)
- Python 2.2.3 (RPM Package)

The troubles are the following:

1.) When I try to create a new list, over the web
(http://www.example.com/mailman/create),
I got the message: "Error: Unknown virtual host: mydomain.com.br"

So, I can't create a new list over the web, but I can create by
a command line (./newlist) ...

When I create a new list, and I post to this list, the message 
dissapers ! I can't find it !!! Bizzare ...

This is the minor of the problems ...

2.) I was a problem, have no idea how to solve this ...

When I'm using a different language (like Portuguese - pt_BR), the
Mailman crashes, and give
this message in the web:


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!




Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 163, in main
    process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 694, in process_form
    forward, forwardaddr)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 184, in HandleRequest
    forward, addr)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 373, in __handlepost
    syslog('vette', note)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 40, in write
    self.write_ex(kind, msg, args, kws)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 58, in write_ex
    logf.write(msg + '\n')
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write
    Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg))
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write
    f.write(msg)
UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)


Now, this is happening with all the list, when a message is awaiting for
an approval of the administrator ...
Every message, with an accent (like '?', or '?') give this result ...

What I supose to do ?? Made a downgrade into the mailman version (to
2.1.3) ?!?

Anyone have an idea ?!?

Thank's a lot !!!
Alessandro
___________________________________________________________________________
A  l  e  s  s  a  n  d  r  o     L  u  i  z     P  e  t  r  o  c  i  n 
o 

Support System Analyst
Computer Center - State University of Campinas (UNICAMP)
http://www.ccuec.unicamp.br
Campinas/SP - Brazil

E-Mail: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br
Phone: +55 19 3788-2229
Fax: +55 19 3788-2251
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From aaron at housechurch.org  Fri Feb  6 18:49:49 2004
From: aaron at housechurch.org (Aaron Anderson)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:49:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] administrivia filter not functioning
Message-ID: <E1ApA73-0005K4-00@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

     Help, 

Our  unsubscribe and and remove requests are going to the entire list and 
into the archives.

I have checked the appropriate box under "General Options" to engage the 
administrivia filter. 

Am I out of sync with another group of settings. I noticed a warning, but 
do not know which settings (filters) they might be.

Thank you in advance! I use Mailman version 2.1.2

    Aaron Anderson        http://housechurch.org




From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br  Fri Feb  6 17:50:38 2004
From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:50:38 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.1.4 - URGENT !!!
Message-ID: <1076086238.10731.10.camel@matrix.ccuec.unicamp.br>

Hi, Mailman GURUS !!!

I need some help over here ... hehehe ...

Well, we have a server, with the following softwares:

- Fedora Linux - Core 1 (Operational System)
- Kernel = 2.4.22-1.2140.nptlsmp
- Mailman 2.1.4 (source compiled)
- Postfix 2.0.16 (source compiled)
- Apache 1.3.29 (source compiled)
- Python 2.2.3 (RPM Package)

The troubles are the following:

1.) When I try to create a new list, over the web
(http://www.example.com/mailman/create),
I got the message: "Error: Unknown virtual host: mydomain.com.br"

So, I can't create a new list over the web, but I can create by
a command line (./newlist) ...

When I create a new list, and I post to this list, the message 
dissapers ! I can't find it !!! Bizzare ...

This is the minor of the problems ...

2.) I was a problem, have no idea how to solve this ...

When I'm using a different language (like Portuguese - pt_BR), the
Mailman crashes, and give
this message in the web:


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!



Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 163, in main
    process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 694, in process_form
    forward, forwardaddr)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 184, in HandleRequest
    forward, addr)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 373, in __handlepost
    syslog('vette', note)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 40, in write
    self.write_ex(kind, msg, args, kws)
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 58, in write_ex
    logf.write(msg + '\n')
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write
    Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg))
  File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write
    f.write(msg)
UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)



Now, this is happening with all the list, when a message is awaiting for
an approval of the administrator ...
Every message, with an accent (like '?', or '?') give this result ...

What I supose to do ?? Made a downgrade into the mailman version (to
2.1.3) ?!?

Anyone have an idea ?!?

Thank's a lot !!!
Alessandro
___________________________________________________________________________
A  l  e  s  s  a  n  d  r  o     L  u  i  z     P  e  t  r  o  c  i  n 
o 

Support System Analyst
Computer Center - State University of Campinas (UNICAMP)
http://www.ccuec.unicamp.br
Campinas/SP - Brazil

E-Mail: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br
Phone: +55 19 3788-2229
Fax: +55 19 3788-2251
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb  6 19:02:59 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:02:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.1.4 - URGENT !!!
In-Reply-To: <1076087394.10731.15.camel@matrix.ccuec.unicamp.br>
References: <1076087394.10731.15.camel@matrix.ccuec.unicamp.br>
Message-ID: <p0600205dbc4987034b19@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:09 PM -0200 2004/02/06, Alessandro Luiz Petrocino wrote:

>  Hi, Mailman GURUS !!!
>
>  I need some help over here ... hehehe ...

	Is there a particular reason that you feel you need to send this 
message to the entire mailing list at least three times?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br  Fri Feb  6 19:10:57 2004
From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:10:57 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.1.4 - URGENT !!!
In-Reply-To: <p0600205dbc4987034b19@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <1076087394.10731.15.camel@matrix.ccuec.unicamp.br>
	<p0600205dbc4987034b19@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <1076091057.10731.30.camel@matrix.ccuec.unicamp.br>

Sorry, my resoanable friend ...
I was an error in my mail program, and it sended the same message 2 (I
repeat: 2) TIMES !!!

So, can you, Mr. PERFECT GUY, forgive me ?!? It was an error ...

So, can anyone help me with THE MAILMAN PROBLEM, and not with the number
of messages sended ?!?

Thank's a LOT !

Alessandro


Em Sex, 2004-02-06 ?s 16:02, Brad Knowles escreveu:

> At 3:09 PM -0200 2004/02/06, Alessandro Luiz Petrocino wrote:
> 
> >  Hi, Mailman GURUS !!!
> >
> >  I need some help over here ... hehehe ...
> 
> 	Is there a particular reason that you feel you need to send this 
> message to the entire mailing list at least three times?

___________________________________________________________________________
A  l  e  s  s  a  n  d  r  o     L  u  i  z     P  e  t  r  o  c  i  n 
o 

Support System Analyst
Computer Center - State University of Campinas (UNICAMP)
http://www.ccuec.unicamp.br
Campinas/SP - Brazil

E-Mail: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br
Phone: +55 19 3788-2229
Fax: +55 19 3788-2251


From johnslists at mcswartz.org  Fri Feb  6 19:36:37 2004
From: johnslists at mcswartz.org (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:36:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces to single user, but only from mailman
Message-ID: <4023DEB5.2050705@mcswartz.org>

There is a user on one of my mailing lists that bounces all of the 
mailing list messages. This started less than a week ago.

First question: is it possible to see the actual bounce messages before 
the user's subscription is disabled? When mailman notified me that his 
address was disabled, it included the bounce message that caused it, but 
before then, I couldn't figure out how to see it. I found the bounces in 
my sendmail (maillog) log and my mailman log, but not the actual message.

The strange thing is that I can personally send him messages to the same 
address and from the exact same server (this is just a personal server 
that I have). Stuff only bounces when it comes through mailman.

Here is the data from the bounce message:

>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>... while talking to mail.sysnet.net.:
>  
>
>>>>>>> MAIL From:<heap-bounces+xxxxxxxx=sysnet.net at hihd.org> SIZE=2293
>>>>        
>>>>
><<< 553 Requested action not taken: mailbox name not allowed or chunk too large
>501 5.6.0 Data format error
>  
>
>  
>

I looked in the FAQ and archives for "chunk too large" but didn't find 
anything. A larger google turned up some similar reports but no 
suggested solutions.

Now, this user sends me this: "My sysadmin tells me that mailman is not 
issuing a "mail" command when contacting sysnet so mail from the 
listserv is bouncing."

What does this mean? I'm not a big sysadmin, I just have a small 
email/webserver that I use for personal use. I'm reasonably familiar and 
competent with Linux, but am not an expert. Can anyone provide me some 
answers or clues? My guess is that his ISP is screwed up and they're not 
talking sense, but I'd like some confirmation before telling him that.

I'm running Mailman 2.1.4, RedHat 9, and Sendmail. Thanks in advance for 
any help.




From oliver at methfessel.org  Thu Feb  5 20:09:33 2004
From: oliver at methfessel.org (Oliver Methfessel)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:09:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases.de
In-Reply-To: <20040205183321.11AA22B4D7C@mail.evilcoder.org>
Message-ID: <002401c3ec1b$972da910$1300a8c0@omnotebook>

Hi,

Thx for your answer, it works fine.

Greats

Oliver Methfessel
 
  _____  

Shop: 	http://www.methfessel-computers.de	
Privat: 	http://www.whf.de 
Studium: 	http://www.dipl2006.de <- NEU	
 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Remko Lodder
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:34 PM
> To: Oliver Methfessel
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases.de
> 
> 
> tell sendmail in sendmail.cf (i pressume you use that mailer) 
> that he can also find a aliases file in the by you designated file
> 
> # location of alias file
> O AliasFile=/etc/mail/aliases
> 
> i think you can add your file by adding
> 
> # location of alias file
> O AliasFile=/etc/mail/aliases,/path/to/your/aliases-file
> 
> goodluck
> 
> cheers
> 
> --
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Remko Lodder
> Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
> www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers 
> on the hackerscene
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens 
> Oliver Methfessel
> Verzonden: woensdag 4 februari 2004 19:48
> Aan: mailman-users at python.org
> Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases.de
> 
> 
> Hi There,
> 
> I have just installed Mailman on my Suse 8 Box.
> Everything is working fine, but the aliases.
> 
> I cant' use the file /etc/aliases for defining the 
> Mailman-Aliases (cause I'm using Confixx-Pro for 
> Administrating my Homepages and when a new eMailadresse is 
> created he writes a new /etc/aliases file out of some 
> database.). So I thought, I my put a file (with the 
> Mailmanaliases in). But when I run newaliases he doesn't 
> regonize the file in /etc/aliases.d
> 
> What am I doing wrong.
> 
> 
> 
> Oliver Methfessel
> 
>   _____
> 
> Shop: 	http://www.methfessel-computers.de
> Privat: 	http://www.whf.de
> Studium: 	http://www.dipl2006.de <- NEU
> 
> 
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> 
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From rob at lindows.com  Thu Feb  5 23:20:14 2004
From: rob at lindows.com (Rob Ruth)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:20:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] slow delivery
Message-ID: <4022C19E.4090504@lindows.com>

I have scoured the archives and google for answer to my problem but none 
of the fixes I have found seem to work. I have mailman 2-1.1-91 
installed w/ postfix 1.1.12-12 on a Suse 8.2 box and qrunner/python is 
eating the cpu. Most of the posts I read describe this as a postfix 
problem and to change my local delivery code to 550 which I did but it 
hasn't helped. The system runs fine for a while but after a few hours 
qrunner/python cpu usage goes through the roof. In most cases this is 
with less than five emails in the queue.

Any suggestions on fixing this problem would be appreciated.

-Rob




From jake at sunsiteweb.com  Fri Feb  6 04:41:58 2004
From: jake at sunsiteweb.com (Jake Sadoff)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:41:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe
Message-ID: <HOEILMABJJGMBFFOJDAHOEHDEEAA.jake@sunsiteweb.com>

Hello,

I was wondering if there is a way for users to automatically unsubscribe
from the mailing list by filling out a form, rather than me having to
manually delete them one at a time?

Any help you can offer is much appreciated!!!

Thank you,
Jake Sadoff
President
Sun Site Web, Inc.
630-837-9974 x224






From pabs at cat.org.au  Fri Feb  6 10:58:23 2004
From: pabs at cat.org.au (Pabs)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:58:23 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] greek/hellenic support?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0402062029470.11115-100000@conway.cat.org.au>

Hi mailman, imc listwork folk,

I'm from the group that manages the indymedia list server
lists.indymedia.org

One of our users requested information on whether or not mm supports the
greek/hellenic language (charsets Windows 1253, Iso 8859-7, UTF8). I
realise that there is no greek translation yet (perhaps we could get an
army of indymedia greeks to work on it, but that is another email), but
can anyone answer the message below, or tell us what is required to
support these charsets?

>From chatting with some people on #mailman I seem to understand that the
main problem will be the archiver. Can anyone recommend one that handles
the required charsets properly (would also need to support at least
chinese and korean)? We have been looking at changing to use the lurker
archiver, will it handle this multitude of charsets, and any gotchas we
shouldbe wary of?

Please keep the listwork cc in your replies, thanks.

Bye,
Pabs

PS: we have some non-i18n patches for you, that I've yet to split up
properly (some of them conflict), but they're here:
http://perth.indymedia.org/~pabs/mailman-2.1.4-indymedia.patch


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 5 Feb 2004 08:01:32 -0000
From: Petros Evdokas <petros at cyprus-org.net>
To: micah at indymedia.org
Cc: listwork at lists.indymedia.org, imc-cyprus at lists.indymedia.org
Subject: [Listwork] RE: [IMC-Tech-Announce] IMC list outage

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Micah Anderson <micah at indymedia.org>
>Sent: 02/04/04 - 21:19
>To: Micah Anderson <micah at indymedia.org>
>Subject: RE: [IMC-Tech-Announce] IMC list outage
>
>The listwork team is planning an outage of the IMC lists system on
>Feb 9th/10th 00:00 GMT. We will be taking things down to upgrade to a
>newer more robust mailman. Please be aware that any mail that you send
>to lists.indymedia.org will be spooled and delivered once things are
>up, but expect to not receive email for a few hours while we perform
>the upgrade and do some integrity testing.
>
>If you have any questions or concerns, we will be working on
>irc.indymedia.org in channel #listwork.
>
>Thanks for understanding!
>listworkers

--------------------- 

Hello Micah,

Thanks for the announcement.

We are still waiting for some sort of reply regarding the use of the hellenic/ greek language on the email lists, for the needs of some of the cyprus imc-group. It' s been more that a year, actually it's been since just before the previous big upgrade that we've had any help from the listworks group about this.

We asked for help several times and then just kind of gave up seeing there was no response. But perhaps there's new people and techologies now, is this what your letter means? If so, can you please include a few extra minutes to have a look at the problem? Now that there will be an upgrade, perhaps it's a good opportunity to solve these problems?

It refers to this:
I order for us to use the hellenic/ greek language on the lists, the email- server must be given some instruction to allow for the language character sets to be activated. In general, for internet use these three sets cover just about anything published in the hellenic/ greek language:

Character set: Greek Windows 1253
Character set: Greek Iso 8859-7
UTF8

A significant detail is that apparently the Subject heading of the emails is transmitted (encoded?) in some special way and so the character sets need to be activated especially for that function as well. Otherwise, the entire letter is sent correctly while the Subject comes out in an alien language.

A third detail is that the online display of the email list archives suffers of the same problem, the server needs to have the three character sets activated as well. Here, we face the particularity that the Subject of the Previous or Next letter is displayed in an alien language unless there is some special activation of the character sets specifically for the Subjext. Worse, is the problem that the title bar (the blue bar at the very top of the browser), which contains the title of the page and contains the Subject of the letter, is also coded separately, and must have the language character sets specially activated for it. An example of this problem is on this page (please look at the top blue title bar):
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/cyprus-hellenic-open-publishing/2002-October/000014.html
It can be compared with this page, in which the character sets display correctly:
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/cyprus-hellenic-open-publishing/2003-September/000042.html

Anything we can help you with so that you can help us better?
We would be thrilled if someone who works at listwork actually takes some interest again in our needs.

Thank you very much,
Petros
volunteer, 
http://Cyprus.IndyMedia.org
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From christopher at torowebdesign.com  Fri Feb  6 20:58:49 2004
From: christopher at torowebdesign.com (Christopher)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:58:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change in Welcome Email Text
Message-ID: <BC495C29.87E%christopher@torowebdesign.com>

Is there anyway to change the information sent in the welcome (or
confirmation) email that is sent out??  I don?t want users to see that they
can also post to the list ? since I?m really just sending out weekly events
emails.

Christopher


From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Feb  6 21:18:41 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:18:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ~ Can't make everyone happy
In-Reply-To: <E1Ap5yg-00019B-7t@mail.python.org>
References: <E1Ap5yg-00019B-7t@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040206133221.0788f240@mail.thcwd.com>

Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>This isn't the answer some will want to hear, but -- the defaults are
>the desired behavior for the majority of new mailman lists, based on
>the combined wisdom of the Mailman developers, and after long
>consideration and not a little enthusiastic discussion among interested
>users here on theese lists (you think this is the first time this has
>come up?)

      Actually that is the exact answer that *I* want to hear.  Thing is, 
it's a moving target - what was true two years ago may be wrong now, so 
history and experience are not as important as knowing what real users are 
doing today.  This is the case for all aspects of the software.

      I have no complaint about the defaults, and I do not know what the 
majority of users expect of want.  My only concern is the volume of e-mail 
to THIS LIST from those who are clueless or lost.  The better the program 
fits the expectations of users, the less we hear about it here.

<>< Paul



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Feb  6 21:41:10 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:41:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ~ Can't make everyone happy
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040206133221.0788f240@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <E1Ap5yg-00019B-7t@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040206133221.0788f240@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <CC275C6B-58E4-11D8-AD92-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Feb 6, 2004, at 12:18 PM, Paul H Byerly wrote:
>      Actually that is the exact answer that *I* want to hear.  Thing 
> is, it's a moving target - what was true two years ago may be wrong 
> now, so history and experience are not as important as knowing what 
> real users are doing today.  This is the case for all aspects of the 
> software.

It sure is. Historically, coercing reply--to was the default, back when 
modems we slow, users were technical and dinosaurs (like me) wandered 
the earth. And over time, it's become increasingly the case where 
people realize it's not the appropriate thing, unless (1) you're trying 
to drive revenue through usage of the list and/or web pages like yahoo, 
or (2) you have some overriding need for group comment, like a private, 
beta-seed mail list where the list is tracking issues.

> want.  My only concern is the volume of e-mail to THIS LIST from those 
> who are clueless or lost.  The better the program fits the 
> expectations of users, the less we hear about it here.
>

The better we fix misplaced expectations, you should mean. If the 
expectations are wrong, changing the software to match expectations 
doesn't solve the problem.





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb  6 21:19:09 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:19:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change in Welcome Email Text
In-Reply-To: <BC495C29.87E%christopher@torowebdesign.com>
References: <BC495C29.87E%christopher@torowebdesign.com>
Message-ID: <p0600205ebc49a6f4c77f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:58 PM -0500 2004/02/06, Christopher wrote:

>  Is there anyway to change the information sent in the welcome (or
>  confirmation) email that is sent out??  I don't want users to see that they
>  can also post to the list - since I'm really just sending out weekly events
>  emails.

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

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From saurav at sas.upenn.edu  Fri Feb  6 22:26:36 2004
From: saurav at sas.upenn.edu (Saurav Pathak)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:26:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] procmail and file permissions
Message-ID: <20040206212636.GA3935@mail1.sas.upenn.edu>

Hi all,

I am using procmail to pre-process messages before they hit Mailman.
I doing it the way it is suggested in the FAQ
(spamassassin+mailman).  I am unsure what the permissions and
ownerships for the procmailrc should be.  At the moment the file is
world readable and owned by root.mailman.  If i change the ownership
to mailman.mailman, I get the following error:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN=list /var/mailman/filters/procmailrc"
    (reason: Can't create output)
    (expanded from: <list at somedomain.com>)
                                                                                                                             
   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
procmail: Suspicious rcfile "/var/mailman/filters/procmailrc"
procmail: Couldn't read "/var/mailman/filters/procmailrc"
550 5.0.0 "|/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN=list /var/mailman/filters/procmailrc"... Can't create output
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't understand why the rcfile should be suspicious, or that it
should be unreadable (it is world readable).  The procmail I think
runs as user "mail". Should I then chown procmailrc to mail.mail?
As also the files and mboxes procmail writes to?

Your suggestions and comments are very welcome.  I am using Mailman
2.1.1 on a Redhat 9 box.  Procmail 3.22.

-- 
saurav



From jamie at silverdream.org  Fri Feb  6 23:11:37 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:11:37 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.1.4 - URGENT !!!
In-Reply-To: <1076087394.10731.15.camel@matrix.ccuec.unicamp.br>
References: <1076087394.10731.15.camel@matrix.ccuec.unicamp.br>
Message-ID: <1514.217.37.225.164.1076105497.squirrel@mail.silverdream.org>

Alessandro Luiz Petrocino said:
> I need some help over here ... hehehe ...

You don't say... Try not being so hysterical about your problem next time,
and obeying simple list etiquette - like ensuring you only send one
message to the list.

> 1.) When I try to create a new list, over the web
> (http://www.example.com/mailman/create),
> I got the message: "Error: Unknown virtual host: mydomain.com.br"

You didn't say, but I assume from this that you're using virtual hosts
with mailman?

If this is the case, you need to set VIRTUAL_HOSTS in your mm_cfg.py
config file, for example:

VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'lists.site1.org':'site1.org',
                 'lists.example.net':'example.net',
                 'lists.site5.com':'site5.com')

If you don't want to use virtual hosts with mailman, you need to remove
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS, and set VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW to false (0).
See the README.POSTFIX documentation included with MM, it's very

> So, I can't create a new list over the web, but I can create by
> a command line (./newlist) ...

Yes, because the create cgi looks at the VIRTUAL_HOSTS directive to find
out about your virtual hosts. If it can't find a VIRTUAL_HOSTS directive,
it won't recognise that virtual host.

> When I create a new list, and I post to this list, the message
> dissapers ! I can't find it !!! Bizzare ...

Unless you include verbose logs of what's happening when you try to send a
message to the list, nobody can help you.

How are you integrating Mailman and Postfix? (there are various different
methods)

Check /var/log/mail.log and see if Postfix is delivering to mailman
properly, and check all the logs under /var/log/mailman to see what's
happening. Also check if qrunner is running, ps waux | grep qrunner - if
it isn't run mailmanctl start. Note that these paths are probably
different on Fedora.

> This is the minor of the problems ...
>
> 2.) I was a problem, have no idea how to solve this ...
>
> When I'm using a different language (like Portuguese - pt_BR), the
> Mailman crashes, and give
> this message in the web:
>
<snip>

Unfortunately, I haven't got any experience with using different languages
with mailman so I can't help with this one.

-j

-- 
-jamie <jamie at silverdream.org>
 w: http://silverdream.org
 p: sms at silverdream.org
 pgp key @ http://silverdream.org/pub.key




From Buddy at DataBoySoftware.com  Fri Feb  6 23:39:16 2004
From: Buddy at DataBoySoftware.com (Buddy Logan)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:39:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribers not receiving mail
References: <200402061305.i16D5rD7013930@avwall.bladeware.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c3ed02$0e0daa80$1ac2fea9@Buddy>

> Version of Mailman?  OS?
Linux 2.4.24-grsec  / Apache 1.3.29 (Unix) / Mailman 2.1.3
>
> Did you create your 'mailman' mailing list?  Are the Mailman processes
> started?
>
The setup was automated by my ISP, who provides that service, but no
support.
I have entered subscribers in the mass subscription form and they have
received e-mail acknowledgements.
by "Mailman mailing list" do you mean something other than that?

Administrator is receiving messages, subscribers posting are receiving
acknowledgements of their posting,etc.
by "Are the Mailman processes started", do you mean something other than
that?

-- Buddy

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org
> > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org]
> > On Behalf Of Buddy Logan
> > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 5:10 AM
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribers not receiving mail
> >
> > Just set up an account.
> > Entered 4 subscribers in the mass subscriptions form. (All my
> > own addresses for test purposes.) Received acknowledgment
> > that the account had been set up.
> > Received acknowledgement that the subscribers had been registered.
> > Subscribers received "Welcome" messages.
> > Messages posted to list are received by admin address, and
> > notice of posting is received by the poster.
> > Subscribers are not receiving postings to the list.
> >
> > After hours of messing around with settings, I started over
> > with a new account.
> > This time I did not change any of the default settings.
> > All responses were the same as above.
> >
> > I'm very time-urgent on getting this up and running.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > -- Buddy Logan
> > buddy at databoysoftware.com
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net Unsubscribe or
> > change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40ca
> > maross.net
> >
>
>
>




From michael at offroadgeek.com  Sat Feb  7 03:42:30 2004
From: michael at offroadgeek.com (Michael Hubbard)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:42:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list_members question
Message-ID: <20040206184230.52410811.michael@offroadgeek.com>

I've recently been given repsonsibilities over a site that runs mailman lists... I'm not new to mailman - but I've run into a problem that I just can't resolve.

The original list owner is unreliable... I've emailed, called, etc... he's pretty much just given up supporting the old site and lists... 

I have the mailing lists setup and running on the new server, but I don't have the membership list added yet.  I have ssh access to the old server (so I could copy the site files, etc.), but not mailman access.  So I can't seem to do a list_members <listname>.  

Is there anyway I can extract the members from a file without running list_members?  Or is the mailing list screwed unti this guy calls?

Many thanks!



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Feb  7 04:19:01 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Feb 2004 22:19:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list_members question
In-Reply-To: <20040206184230.52410811.michael@offroadgeek.com>
References: <20040206184230.52410811.michael@offroadgeek.com>
Message-ID: <1076123941.3167.145.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 21:42, Michael Hubbard wrote:
> I've recently been given repsonsibilities over a site that runs mailman lists... I'm not new to mailman - but I've run into a problem that I just can't resolve.
> 
> The original list owner is unreliable... I've emailed, called, etc... he's pretty much just given up supporting the old site and lists... 
> 
> I have the mailing lists setup and running on the new server, but I don't have the membership list added yet.  I have ssh access to the old server (so I could copy the site files, etc.), but not mailman access.  So I can't seem to do a list_members <listname>.  
> 
> Is there anyway I can extract the members from a file without running list_members?  Or is the mailing list screwed unti this guy calls?
> 
> Many thanks!
> 

Can you copy over the ~mailman/lists/<listname>/config.* lists from the
old server?  If so then you can backup your config files and then copy
these over them, then run the list_members on those old config files.

If you can't read the old config files, then you'll have to get work
with the admin of that server to get those files or have him run the
commands you need.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes





From paul at thcwd.com  Sat Feb  7 05:32:32 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 22:32:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <E1ApISX-0000iI-G9@mail.python.org>
References: <E1ApISX-0000iI-G9@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040206222456.0790d8d8@mail.thcwd.com>

Jake Sadoff wrote:
>I was wondering if there is a way for users to automatically unsubscribe
>from the mailing list by filling out a form, rather than me having to
>manually delete them one at a time?

      You can send them to http://<servername>/mailman/listinfo/<listname> 
and have them use the form at the bottom of the page.  Or have them use the 
unsub or leave addresses.
   <listname>-leave@<server>
   <listname>-unsubscribe@<server>

      The second method will require them to reply to a confirmation 
e-mail.  The first method will only require a confirmation e-mail if they 
do not know their password.

<>< Paul




From subs=mailman-users at rz.xs4all.nl  Sat Feb  7 15:15:44 2004
From: subs=mailman-users at rz.xs4all.nl (Rejo Zenger)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:15:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password reminders with an invalid sender domain
	(and thus bouncing)
Message-ID: <20040207141544.GH10165@rz.xs4all.nl>

Hello,

I have a small problem: I have migrated mailman (and mailserver, etc) a
month ago from one box to another.

No problems, except for one list - all other list have no problems. This
one list has it's password reminders send out with the wrong domain (a
local domain, the one from the former box). As a result, most of these
reminders get bounced because of sender verify tests.

I have tried to find out which file I have to adjust, but I can't find
out what is causing the problen. Any idea where to look?

Thanks,


-- 
Rejo Zenger <rejo at rz.xs4all.nl> - http://rejo.zenger.nl - PGP 0x75FC50F3



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Feb  8 02:16:07 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 07 Feb 2004 20:16:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password reminders with an invalid sender
	domain	(and thus bouncing)
In-Reply-To: <20040207141544.GH10165@rz.xs4all.nl>
References: <20040207141544.GH10165@rz.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1076202967.3158.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

If your running 2.1.x (and from the problem I think you are) then you
need to use the ~mailman/bin/withlist command to reset the host names
inside the configuration database.

If you "more withlist" you'll see some nice examples of how to use it in
the comments.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 09:15, Rejo Zenger wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have a small problem: I have migrated mailman (and mailserver, etc) a
> month ago from one box to another.
> 
> No problems, except for one list - all other list have no problems. This
> one list has it's password reminders send out with the wrong domain (a
> local domain, the one from the former box). As a result, most of these
> reminders get bounced because of sender verify tests.
> 
> I have tried to find out which file I have to adjust, but I can't find
> out what is causing the problen. Any idea where to look?
> 
> Thanks,
> 




From maillists at conactive.com  Sun Feb  8 10:32:26 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 10:32:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some config questions
Message-ID: <VA.000016aa.001c4303@virtual-access.org>

Just started using mailman (2.1.4) and can't find good answers for the 
following questions in the documentation. They may have been answered 
already on this list, but unfortunately the archive isn't searchable.

1. how to make a "one-way" mailing-list for sending out newsletters to 
customers etc.? One way which works seems to set it on "emergency 
moderation". However, this means that still all list members can send to 
the list and the message is piled up for approval. I would like to have 
all messages rejected right-away except those coming from certain  
specified addresses. (and these few would need to get approved 
additionally, of course.) I'm used to this system from Majordomo. Is there 
a way to do this? 

2. how can I set a list to not reveal *any* information about itself? I 
think I used all ways the web interface provides, but a member of a list 
will still get a response to "info". 

3. same question for the "lists" command. The list is gone from 
https://domain.tld/mailman/listinfo and /admin (I guess that's "advertised 
= no"), but a "lists" command still shows it as one of the public 
mailing-lists available on the server, with all data the lists command 
usually reveals. Is that a bug?

4. I'm able add a "virtual host" and create a new mailing list for it via 
web interface which will only show in the listinfo if entered via the 
matching virtual host. However, I don't seem to be able to achieve the 
same for already existing lists via web interface. Setting the host_name 
doesn't seem to have an effect for this.

5. are there config files in human readable format? I can only find some 
pck files which seem to be in binary format.


Thanks,

Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com






From john at io.com  Sun Feb  8 11:37:05 2004
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 04:37:05 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev>
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev>
Message-ID: <20040208103705.GB2703@io.com>

* Lena at lena.kiev.ua [2004-02-05 20:02:46 +0200]:
> http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to-useful.mhtml

  I've read that before; doesn't change the fact that arbitrarily
overwriting the Reply-To: header destroys information.

> A good portion of my members (mostly newbies) use various web-based
> mailers.  They haven't a "Reply to all" button.

  Then their mailer is broken and they need to fix/change it.  Two
wrongs don't make a right.

> The members are newbies in computers - what I should do, refuse them
> in medical help until they buy own computer (a year average monetary
> income here) and master it?  Please remember that almost all members
> on non-technical lists are FAR less savvy than you are.

  That's not a compelling argument.  There are plenty of web-based
mailers that _do_ have a group-reply function (geez, even Hotmail and
Yahoo can handle that much).

  This all really comes down to one thing, and I apologize to everyone
if this comes out a bit harsh but it's a pet peeve of mine.  I really
could care less what a newbie "expects to see", I care about doing the
right thing.  Hopefully they coincide, but this is one of those cases
where they don't, and penalizing all the members of a mailing list by
having their Reply-To's erased just so that some newbie doesn't have to
think is not acceptable to me.  It's the Outlook virus, and I'm not
talking about a computer virus this time.

  Ford doesn't provide a chauffeur with every new car.  Learn the tool.

-- 
  John  ! Rarely do we find men who willingly engage in hard, solid
 Buttery! thinking.  There is an almost universal quest for easy answers
www.io.c! and half-baked solutions.  Nothing pains some people more than
om/~john! having to think. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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From john at io.com  Sun Feb  8 11:59:09 2004
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 04:59:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040205120816.07880c40@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <E1AodDI-00019X-1y@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040205120816.07880c40@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <20040208105909.GC2703@io.com>

* Paul H Byerly <paul at thcwd.com> [2004-02-05 12:27:00 -0600]:
> Mailman does not destroy the original senders identify or e-mail, so
> this part of the argument is moot.

  OK, I promise this will be my last post on this topic unless someone
posts to me by name in non-quoted text, but I just had to set this
straight.  For the purposes of this response I'm assuming that instead
of "Mailman" you mean "Setting reply-to-list" and instead of "identify"
you mean "identity":

  This is false.  I'd like to put it more diplomatically, but I really
do think it's important that everyone clearly understands this point.
Whether or not a portion of the sender's identity, which in some cases
is vitally important, is deleted is not what's being discussed here.
Information _is_ being deleted; the discussion concerns whether or not
it should be considered important that it's being deleted.
  (The other point people seem to be bringing up is that forgetting to
edit your own recipients blows up in your face much larger with r-t-l
than with r-t-s.  Personally if I were going to post about my mistress'
special fantasies, my collection of Cuban cigars, or the pink lingerie I
keep hidden in my underwear drawer next to the leaked corporate memos
I'm about to send to indymedia.org, I would triple-check the recipient
addresses anyway before sending in _any_ case.  Wait, did I just say all
that out loud?)

  I used to be a big holy war guy, but I had to give up on the emacs/vi,
Linux/FreeBSD, Debian/everything_else battles because eventually you
have to realize that both sides are right.  I don't see this as one of
those times; all the arguments for reply-to-list just seem to boil down
to either ignorance, inertia, or occasionally just downright laziness.
For the latter two, well, get off your butt.  :)  For the former, the
correct solution to ignorance is education, not making your ignorance
someone else's problem.

-- 
  John  ! The problem with pointing to the Nazis or the Gestapo
 Buttery! exclusively is that it allows us the safety of saying, "Well,
www.io.c! it happened just there, and only once, *we* could never fall
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From subs=mailman-users at rz.xs4all.nl  Sun Feb  8 12:03:22 2004
From: subs=mailman-users at rz.xs4all.nl (Rejo Zenger)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 12:03:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password reminders with an invalid sender
	domain	(and thus bouncing)
In-Reply-To: <1076202967.3158.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20040207141544.GH10165@rz.xs4all.nl>
	<1076202967.3158.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040208110322.GI24853@rz.xs4all.nl>

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++ 07/02/04 20:16 -0500 - Jon Carnes:
>If your running 2.1.x (and from the problem I think you are) then you
>need to use the ~mailman/bin/withlist command to reset the host names
>inside the configuration database.

I see, the problem is however that I don't have a clue on how to issue
those Python commands. I have no idea what I have to look for and how to
get there. Prefereably I would like to see a complete list of variables
that I could grep. 

Any idea where to start - a pointer to an introduction in working with
this withlist, apart from the --help contents, is also welcome.


[problem:]
>> No problems, except for one list - all other list have no problems. This
>> one list has it's password reminders send out with the wrong domain (a
>> local domain, the one from the former box). As a result, most of these
>> reminders get bounced because of sender verify tests.

- -- 
Rejo Zenger <rejo at rz.xs4all.nl> - http://rejo.zenger.nl - PGP 0x75FC50F3
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From Buddy at DataBoySoftware.com  Sun Feb  8 12:15:46 2004
From: Buddy at DataBoySoftware.com (Buddy Logan)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 03:15:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev> <20040208103705.GB2703@io.com>
Message-ID: <005301c3ee34$e6b5f3a0$1ac2fea9@Buddy>

John -
Since this is a pet peeve of yours, maybe you should explain to me what is
wrong with overwriting the "reply to" header.
I guess it has been quite a few years since I have participated in a
discussion list but, as I recall, this used to be the common practice. It is
convenient, and makes perfect sense to me.  I'm no expert on header
information - perhaps it messes up the trail or something - I'm just really
curious as to what the controversy is.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Buttery" <john at io.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 2:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list

* Lena at lena.kiev.ua [2004-02-05 20:02:46 +0200]:
> http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to-useful.mhtml

  I've read that before; doesn't change the fact that arbitrarily
overwriting the Reply-To: header destroys information.

> A good portion of my members (mostly newbies) use various web-based
> mailers.  They haven't a "Reply to all" button.

  Then their mailer is broken and they need to fix/change it.  Two
wrongs don't make a right.

> The members are newbies in computers - what I should do, refuse them
> in medical help until they buy own computer (a year average monetary
> income here) and master it?  Please remember that almost all members
> on non-technical lists are FAR less savvy than you are.

  That's not a compelling argument.  There are plenty of web-based
mailers that _do_ have a group-reply function (geez, even Hotmail and
Yahoo can handle that much).

  This all really comes down to one thing, and I apologize to everyone
if this comes out a bit harsh but it's a pet peeve of mine.  I really
could care less what a newbie "expects to see", I care about doing the
right thing.  Hopefully they coincide, but this is one of those cases
where they don't, and penalizing all the members of a mailing list by
having their Reply-To's erased just so that some newbie doesn't have to
think is not acceptable to me.  It's the Outlook virus, and I'm not
talking about a computer virus this time.

  Ford doesn't provide a chauffeur with every new car.  Learn the tool.

-- 
  John  ! Rarely do we find men who willingly engage in hard, solid
 Buttery! thinking.  There is an almost universal quest for easy answers
www.io.c! and half-baked solutions.  Nothing pains some people more than
om/~john! having to think. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun Feb  8 13:04:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:04:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some config questions
In-Reply-To: <VA.000016aa.001c4303@virtual-access.org>
References: <VA.000016aa.001c4303@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <p06002064bc4bd5c23411@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:32 AM +0100 2004/02/08, Kai Schaetzl wrote:

>  1. how to make a "one-way" mailing-list for sending out newsletters to
>  customers etc.?

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.

	Note that the FAQ *is* searchable.  Putting in "one-way" or 
"announce only" should have been enough to turn this item up.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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From john at io.com  Sun Feb  8 15:12:50 2004
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 08:12:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <005301c3ee34$e6b5f3a0$1ac2fea9@Buddy>
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev> <20040208103705.GB2703@io.com>
	<005301c3ee34$e6b5f3a0$1ac2fea9@Buddy>
Message-ID: <20040208141249.GF2703@io.com>

* Buddy Logan <Buddy at DataBoySoftware.com> [2004-02-08 03:15:46 -0800]:
> Since this is a pet peeve of yours, maybe you should explain to me
> what is wrong with overwriting the "reply to" header.

  Well, OK...where to start?  I guess a little background is in order.
Basically, the idea is that every email has a "From:" header.  You would
expect that the address that the message purports to be "From:" is also
capable of receiving replies.  Most of the time that's the case, but
sometimes it isn't (I don't think listing specific cases is relevant to
the point, but in case you want one, imagine someone posting from a
work account that wants replies to go to their home address).  To
account for those situations where the author wants replies to go to a
different address than the source of the post, the Reply-To: header was
created.
  This is a central piece of information to this whole thing, so I'm
going to repeat/rephrase it.  The Reply-To: header consists of specific
instructions _from the author_, designating where replies to the message
should be sent.  This author is a human, and therefore his opinion is by
definition more important than that of any intervening mail-routing
software.
  That's also a central piece of information, so I'm going to restate
that as well.  Human beings are to be considered the authoritative
sources of information, and not the machines pushing the mail around.

  OK, so now that we've established what the Reply-To: header is, and
what its purpose is, let's examine what "reply-to-list" does.  The email
comes in with a From: header of "egoldstein at eurasia.gov" and a Reply-To:
header of "eg at dialup-522681-03.oceania.aol.com" because Mr. Goldstein
doesn't want his bosses to see who's responding to the message he's
sending out; replies should be directed to his personal SMTP server.
  Unfortunately, the list software has other plans.  It deletes Mr.
Goldstein's Reply-To: header and replaces it with the post address of
the list.  That information is now permanently deleted from the
transmisison.

  That, to me, is the issue.

> I guess it has been quite a few years since I have participated
> in a discussion list but, as I recall, this used to be the common
> practice.

  It still is common practice, unfortunately...that doesn't make it the
right thing to do, though.  Look at McDonalds.  :p

> It is convenient, and makes perfect sense to me.  I'm no
> expert on header information - perhaps it messes up the trail or
> something - I'm just really curious as to what the controversy is.

  Well, my best explanations of my point of view on it are in this email
and the two I posted a little while ago.  Hopefully they at least
clarified things, even if they don't change anyone's habits.

-- 
  John  ! Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.
 Buttery!
www.io.c! Teach a man to fish, and he'll starve from sitting in the boat
om/~john! all day, drinking beer.
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Feb  8 17:47:21 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Feb 2004 11:47:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some config questions
In-Reply-To: <p06002064bc4bd5c23411@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <VA.000016aa.001c4303@virtual-access.org>
	<p06002064bc4bd5c23411@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <1076258840.3158.118.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 07:04, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 10:32 AM +0100 2004/02/08, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> 
> >  1. how to make a "one-way" mailing-list for sending out newsletters to
> >  customers etc.?
> 
> 	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.
> 
> 	Note that the FAQ *is* searchable.  Putting in "one-way" or 
> "announce only" should have been enough to turn this item up.

Also (from the footer of every message):
Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From jam at jamux.com  Sun Feb  8 18:01:56 2004
From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 12:01:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list
In-Reply-To: <20040208141249.GF2703@io.com> (John Buttery's message of "Sun,
	8 Feb 2004 08:12:50 -0600")
References: <Pn6Le80L6K@lena.kiev> <20040208103705.GB2703@io.com>
	<005301c3ee34$e6b5f3a0$1ac2fea9@Buddy> <20040208141249.GF2703@io.com>
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Feb  8 18:24:36 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Feb 2004 12:24:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password reminders with an invalid sender
	domain (and thus bouncing)
In-Reply-To: <20040208110322.GI24853@rz.xs4all.nl>
References: <20040207141544.GH10165@rz.xs4all.nl>
	<1076202967.3158.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040208110322.GI24853@rz.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1076261076.3158.159.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 06:03, Rejo Zenger wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> ++ 07/02/04 20:16 -0500 - Jon Carnes:
> >If your running 2.1.x (and from the problem I think you are) then you
> >need to use the ~mailman/bin/withlist command to reset the host names
> >inside the configuration database.
> 
> I see, the problem is however that I don't have a clue on how to issue
> those Python commands. I have no idea what I have to look for and how to
> get there. Prefereably I would like to see a complete list of variables
> that I could grep. 
> 
> Any idea where to start - a pointer to an introduction in working with
> this withlist, apart from the --help contents, is also welcome.
> 
> 
> [problem:]
> >> No problems, except for one list - all other list have no problems. This
> >> one list has it's password reminders send out with the wrong domain (a
> >> local domain, the one from the former box). As a result, most of these
> >> reminders get bounced because of sender verify tests.
> 

Make sure the hosts are defined properly (as virtual host sets: URL and
Mailhost), then run withlist using the fix_url.py module on your list.
You might want to backup the list config file first.

Here is a message lifted from the archives... perhaps it will help:

On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 03:33  am, Wayne Spivak wrote: 
> I runnng mailman on a box with currently four domains.
> 
> I've added four groups of these lines:
> 
> VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'list.foo.com': 'list.foo.com'} <-- notice bracket
> add_virtualhost ('list.foo.com', 'list.foo.com') <-- notice paren
> 
> I've tried to run withlist -r fix_url -l foo-list and then mailmanctl
> restart and I still get this error.
> 
> On some of the lists I get the in-addr-arpa name for the url.  Not
> even
> the box url.  The mailman list is set to the box url.
> 
> I hope I've explained this, its been a long tedious day.
> 
> Any ideas?


If you are supporting four virtual domains then  you probably want to 
say the following in your mm_cfg.py, before restarting mailmanctl and 
using fix_url

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'box.mailhostname.tld'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'box.webhostname.tld'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-1.tld', 'your.mailhostname-1.tld')
add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-2.tld', 'your.mailhostname-2.tld')
add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-3.tld', 'your.mailhostname-3.tld')
add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-4.tld', 'your.mailhostname-4.tld')

You could also check out the FAQ page:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk





From barry at python.org  Sun Feb  8 19:39:21 2004
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 13:39:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED: Mailman 2.0.14 patch-only release
Message-ID: <1076265561.3181.14.camel@anthem>

I have just released Mailman 2.0.14 as a patch-only release.  This fixes
a DoS bug to be described in CAN-2003-0991.  See here for details:

https://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=97760

Please note that since I am no longer actively maintaining Mailman 2.0,
this release has had only limited testing.  It is recommended that all
sites running Mailman 2.0 upgrade to 2.1 where ever possible.  For those
sites that cannot upgrade, this patch may be useful.

Also note that it is no longer possible to download tarballs of Mailman
2.0 from SourceForge.

Enjoy,
-Barry





From rich at ibfx.com  Sat Feb  7 18:52:40 2004
From: rich at ibfx.com (Richard Frenkel)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 12:52:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extract or dump of subscribers from mailman?
Message-ID: <139104106937.20040207125240@ibfx.com>

Hello mailman-users,

  I would like to dump/extract all subscribers (emails only is OK)
  from my mailman list as a backup. I'm the list owner. Is there a
  utility to do this or something I can code without root on the
  server?

  PLEASE answer to me directly rich at ibfx.com as I don't want to
  subscribe to another list.

  Another comment: this question may have been asked before, but there
  is no search capability on the archives that I can see. That would
  be very useful. It would seem more useful to place this archive into a
  newsgroup since newsgroups can be searched.

-- 
Best regards,
 Richard Frenkel                   mailto:rich at ibfx.com





From indrik at mac.com  Sat Feb  7 09:55:24 2004
From: indrik at mac.com (Indrik Kalnins)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:55:24 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tech question
Message-ID: <5E328FE4-594B-11D8-8D7F-000A95885D0C@mac.com>

Hi Folks,

I am looking for a listserver.

100 - 200 users.

Password logon.

Search capability for posts (sometimes called "searching the archives")

Mailman is supported on a number of web hosting packages.

Please let me know if Mailmal will support the above requirements.



Thanks... Indrik


From john_coach at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  8 18:28:42 2004
From: john_coach at hotmail.com (john walsh)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:28:42 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] script: move_list
Message-ID: <Law9-F83xhwUEEcI24X0003b848@hotmail.com>


Hi,

NB. I'm not subscribe to the list (just for this one question), so please 
reply directly.

I've got the latest mailman-2.1.4, and in the documentation it says there is 
an admin
command (in ./bin/) called 'move_list' - Use this script when you move 
Mailman to a
new installation location.

But it is not in the source...

Please can someone send me a copy of this script, and/or can you add a link 
to it on the
web site so others can download it.

Thanks,
John.

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From davidboothe at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  8 21:03:02 2004
From: davidboothe at yahoo.com (David A Boothe)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 12:03:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue
In-Reply-To: <p06002064bc4bd5c23411@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040208200302.36862.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com>

     I have a client who has a miling list with about 6,000 subscribers.  When he sends out mail, about a dozen emails show up in the mail queue.  It appears that the system is breaking the send of the mail to the list into that many individual emails with several hundred address in each.  These mails tend to saty in the queue for days.  When I look at the queue and view the contents of the email I see the following at the top of eah mail...
 
1ApaXy-0004pR-7w-H
root 0 0
<ListName-bounces at mydomain.com>
1076191410 0
-helo_name hostname
-host_address 127.0.0.1.34368
-host_name localhost
-interface_address 127.0.0.1.25
-received_protocol esmtp
-body_linecount 47
YY address1 at hisdomain.net
NN address2 at herdomain.net
NY address3 at abcdomain.com

 
     Why do these emails sit in my mail queue for days?   What do the "Y/N" at the beginning of each of the subscibers email addresses mean?
 
 
Thanks


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From caudron at digitalelite.com  Sun Feb  8 22:20:42 2004
From: caudron at digitalelite.com (Tom Caudron)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:20:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fetchmailrc and Mailman
Message-ID: <1076275242.1691.53.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>

I'm trying to administer several small mailing lists on my home server. 
I have a domain mx server hosted elsewhere and I want to grab the mail
from the list accounts, and forward them to the approriate list members.

On the home server, I've got postfix for smtp (thanks to Simon White for
that!  It was much easier to work with postfix/mailman than
qmail/mailman), mailman for the lists, and fetchmail to poll the remote
accounts.

Postfix and Mailman seem to be talking nicely.  If a member is added, he
gets a message, etc....  However, I'm confused as to how to get
fetchmail to work with mailman.

Fetchmail insists that I have a /etc/fetchmailrc file.  In that file, I
have this:

----
# wake fetchmail daemon up every 60 seconds
set daemon 60

# mailinglist1 mailing list
poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3
        username mailinglist1uid with         #list address
        password secretword, is mailman here;
poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3         #list request address
        username mailinglist1requestuid with
        password secretword, is mailman here;
poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3         #list admin address
        username mailinglist1adminuid with
        password secretword, is mailman here;

# mailinglist2 mailing list
poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3
        username mailinglist2uid with         #list address
        password secretword, is mailman here;
poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3         #list request address
        username mailinglist2requestuid with
        password secretword, is mailman here;
poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3         #list admin address
        username mailinglist2adminuid with
        password secretword, is mailman here;

# mailinglist3 mailing list
poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3
        username mailinglist3uid with         #list address
        password secretword, is mailman here;
poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3         #list request address
        username mailinglist3requestuid with
        password secretword, is mailman here;
poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3         #list admin address
        username mailinglist3adminuid with
        password secretword, is mailman here;
----

When I sent a mail from a member's email account to one of the lists he
is one, it never makes it to the list.  I can see that fetchmail has
grabbed it and given it to mailman, though, because looking in
/usr/local/mailman/logs/vette shows me an error every time I send a
message to the list to the effect of this:

Feb 08 15:28:32 2004 (1071) Mailman post from MyAddress at MyDomain.com held, message-id=<1076272100.1694.34.camel at LocalHost.LocalDomain>: Post by non-member to a members-only list

Rechecking things, I have verified that the address in quesiton is a
member of the list.  Any idea why it would treat a member as a
non-member under the setup I've described?

Secondly, as this if the first time I've done this, it would be nice to
get some feedback on the fetchmailrc file I detailed above.  Is this
what it's supposed to look like when I have multiple lists running on
this box?  Do I need the create a new user for each list or will the "is
mailman here" be interpreted and handled by mailman properly?

Being a complete newbie wrt mailinglists, any help at all will be most
appreciated.

Thanks!

-Tom Caudron




From yves at bigedison.org  Sun Feb  8 22:42:28 2004
From: yves at bigedison.org (Yves Bougardier)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:42:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New ML creation problem
Message-ID: <20040208214246.1C14D44580@mail.bigedison.org>

Hi,

I just installed mailman on my Linux Mandrake 9.2 where there's a postfix
server,  but i have the following problem when i want to create a new ML :


Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in
process_request
    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 238, in create
    _update_maps()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 54, in _update_maps
    raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

 

Can you help me ?

 

Thanks

Yves

 



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sun Feb  8 23:00:32 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:00:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New ML creation problem
In-Reply-To: <20040208214246.1C14D44580@mail.bigedison.org>
References: <20040208214246.1C14D44580@mail.bigedison.org>
Message-ID: <20040208220032.GJ3731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Yves Bougardier wrote:
> I just installed mailman on my Linux Mandrake 9.2 where there's a postfix
> server,  but i have the following problem when i want to create a new ML :
>
>
> Traceback:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
>     process_request(doc, cgidata)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in
> process_request
>     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 238, in create
>     _update_maps()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 54, in _update_maps
>     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
> /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
>
>
>
> Can you help me ?

The FAQ can:

    http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp
    6.9. I get a "RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias"
    when creating lists and Postfix is my MTA

- -- 
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From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Sun Feb  8 23:57:27 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 23:57:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fetchmailrc and Mailman
References: <1076275242.1691.53.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
Message-ID: <alm.20040208235730.16942@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

Tom Caudron schrieb:

> # mailinglist2 mailing list
> poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3
>         username mailinglist2uid with         #list address
>         password secretword, is mailman here;
[...]

That means you send ALL mail from your POP3-boxes to the Account
"mailman" at your home server (which is, AFAIS, the "mailman" site
list).

That is quite probably NOT what you want.

> When I sent a mail from a member's email account to one of the lists he
> is one, it never makes it to the list.

Of course.

> I can see that fetchmail has grabbed it and given it to mailman,

The mail is sent to mailman at localhost, because that is what you told
fetchmail to do - but it SHOULD be sent to your-list at localhost; and
there will be mail that should be sent to your-list-request at localhost
and so on.

> Rechecking things, I have verified that the address in quesiton is a
> member of the list. 

On *which* list?

You sent all mail to the list "mailman at localhost". Mailman cannot
guess where you want your mail to go - you'll have to send it there.
: )

If you have a list named "tom", you'll have that mail to be sent to
"tom at localhost", NOT "mailman at localhost".

> Any idea why it would treat a member as a
> non-member under the setup I've described?

Yes. :)

> Secondly, as this if the first time I've done this, it would be nice to
> get some feedback on the fetchmailrc file I detailed above.  Is this
> what it's supposed to look like when I have multiple lists running on
> this box?

No, of course not.

-thh




From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Sun Feb  8 23:52:39 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 23:52:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue
References: <p06002064bc4bd5c23411@[10.0.1.3]>
	<20040208200302.36862.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alm.20040208235247.16941@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

David A Boothe schrieb:

> Why do these emails sit in my mail queue for days?

Probably there is at least *one* recipient for each of these mails the
mail can not immediately be delivered to. Your MTA (Exim, I presume?)
will try to deliver the mail to those recipients as long as the retry
limit you set in its configuration is not reached (about 4-5 days,
normally) before bouncing the mail back.

-thh




From davidboothe at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 00:13:48 2004
From: davidboothe at yahoo.com (David A Boothe)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:13:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue
In-Reply-To: <alm.20040208235247.16941@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
Message-ID: <20040208231348.68818.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok but what are the YN, etc in front of each address?


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From r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk  Mon Feb  9 00:27:11 2004
From: r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk (Bob Franklin)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 23:27:11 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue
In-Reply-To: <20040208231348.68818.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040208231348.68818.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0402082324580.1060@nobilis.home.mince.net>

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, David A Boothe wrote:

> Ok but what are the YN, etc in front of each address?

http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.30/doc/html/spec_49.html#CHAP49

... in the Exim documentation -> Specification -> Chapter 49: Format of
spool files, it explains all.  It's a list of people to whom the message
has not been delivered [so far].

  - Bob


-- 
 Bob Franklin <r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk>          +44 (0)118 378 7147
 Systems and Communications, IT Services, The University of Reading, UK



From davidboothe at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 00:31:03 2004
From: davidboothe at yahoo.com (David A Boothe)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:31:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0402082324580.1060@nobilis.home.mince.net>
Message-ID: <20040208233103.53614.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com>

You know I really HATE that kind of answer.  In all the time that one takes to write what he did he could have easily said what each character stood for.  Yet all he did was tell me that I could go search through miles of documentation and try to find it.  Sorry if I sound like I am pissing into the wind but some folks do have reading disabilities and aks questions to get answers not wise ass comments.  Can someone actually tell me what each character stands for.  I kind of figured all by myself that it had to do with the status but what exactly each char stood for still has not been answered.


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From davidboothe at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 00:39:48 2004
From: davidboothe at yahoo.com (David A Boothe)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:39:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0402082324580.1060@nobilis.home.mince.net>
Message-ID: <20040208233948.45088.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com>

I read that and it made about as much sense to me as a medical text book on brain surgury written is greek.  All I want to know is what the two letters indicate!  I have no clue what they mean by parent and child rewiter spool tree branch things.  I just want to find out in simple terms what is going on with this software.  Can someone please take in down a notch from the techno-babble to an english explanation fo whats going on?
 
 
Thanks


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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon Feb  9 00:56:31 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:56:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue
In-Reply-To: <20040208233948.45088.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0402082324580.1060@nobilis.home.mince.net>
	<20040208233948.45088.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040208235631.GK3731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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David A Boothe wrote:
> I read that and it made about as much sense to me as a medical text
> book on brain surgury written is greek.  All I want to know is what
> the two letters indicate!  I have no clue what they mean by parent
> and child rewiter spool tree branch things.  I just want to find out
> in simple terms what is going on with this software.  Can someone
> please take in down a notch from the techno-babble to an english
> explanation fo whats going on?

You really should take this to the exim list.  You're much more likely
to get some help and pointers on a more appropriate list (not that I
thought Bob's pointer to the specific docs wasn't helpful).

- -- 
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From nielsen at oz.net  Mon Feb  9 01:06:01 2004
From: nielsen at oz.net (Bob Nielsen)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 16:06:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fetchmailrc and Mailman
In-Reply-To: <1076275242.1691.53.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
References: <1076275242.1691.53.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
Message-ID: <20040209000601.GB7831@bob>

On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 04:20:42PM -0500, Tom Caudron wrote:
> I'm trying to administer several small mailing lists on my home server. 
> I have a domain mx server hosted elsewhere and I want to grab the mail
> from the list accounts, and forward them to the approriate list members.
> 
> On the home server, I've got postfix for smtp (thanks to Simon White for
> that!  It was much easier to work with postfix/mailman than
> qmail/mailman), mailman for the lists, and fetchmail to poll the remote
> accounts.
> 
> Postfix and Mailman seem to be talking nicely.  If a member is added, he
> gets a message, etc....  However, I'm confused as to how to get
> fetchmail to work with mailman.
> 
> Fetchmail insists that I have a /etc/fetchmailrc file.  In that file, I
> have this:
> 
> ----
> # wake fetchmail daemon up every 60 seconds
> set daemon 60
> 
> # mailinglist1 mailing list
> poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3
>         username mailinglist1uid with         #list address
>         password secretword, is mailman here;
> poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3         #list request address
>         username mailinglist1requestuid with
>         password secretword, is mailman here;
> poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3         #list admin address
>         username mailinglist1adminuid with
>         password secretword, is mailman here;
> 
> # mailinglist2 mailing list
> poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3
>         username mailinglist2uid with         #list address
>         password secretword, is mailman here;
> poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3         #list request address
>         username mailinglist2requestuid with
>         password secretword, is mailman here;
> poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3         #list admin address
>         username mailinglist2adminuid with
>         password secretword, is mailman here;
> 
> # mailinglist3 mailing list
> poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3
>         username mailinglist3uid with         #list address
>         password secretword, is mailman here;
> poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3         #list request address
>         username mailinglist3requestuid with
>         password secretword, is mailman here;
> poll pop.MyMXDomain.com protocol pop3         #list admin address
>         username mailinglist3adminuid with
>         password secretword, is mailman here;
> ----
> 
> When I sent a mail from a member's email account to one of the lists he
> is one, it never makes it to the list.  I can see that fetchmail has
> grabbed it and given it to mailman, though, because looking in
> /usr/local/mailman/logs/vette shows me an error every time I send a
> message to the list to the effect of this:
> 
> Feb 08 15:28:32 2004 (1071) Mailman post from MyAddress at MyDomain.com held, message-id=<1076272100.1694.34.camel at LocalHost.LocalDomain>: Post by non-member to a members-only list
> 
> Rechecking things, I have verified that the address in quesiton is a
> member of the list.  Any idea why it would treat a member as a
> non-member under the setup I've described?
> 
> Secondly, as this if the first time I've done this, it would be nice to
> get some feedback on the fetchmailrc file I detailed above.  Is this
> what it's supposed to look like when I have multiple lists running on
> this box?  Do I need the create a new user for each list or will the "is
> mailman here" be interpreted and handled by mailman properly?
> 
> Being a complete newbie wrt mailinglists, any help at all will be most
> appreciated.
> 

I'm trying to do something similar (I'm using Exim4 instead of
Postfix).  I don't have everything working yet, but it appears that
with POP the pipe commands to run the messages through mailman need to
be in ~/.procmailrc rather than /etc/aliases (on my system fetchmail
hands off to Exim which delivers via procmail).  I noticed that if I do
that, messages get sent out, but copies to the user who owns the
.procmailrc file don't get delivered, since when they come back they
will be piped again (although they don't get sent out again,
thankfully).  I will be contacting my ISP tomorrow to set up a separate
email address just for use by the list and I suspect that will work.

hth,

Bob Nielsen



From caudron at digitalelite.com  Mon Feb  9 01:13:09 2004
From: caudron at digitalelite.com (Tom Caudron)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 19:13:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fetchmailrc and Mailman
In-Reply-To: <alm.20040208235730.16942@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
References: <1076275242.1691.53.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
	<alm.20040208235730.16942@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
Message-ID: <1076285589.2419.21.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>

Thomas Hochstein said, "That means you send ALL mail from your
POP3-boxes to the Account "mailman" at your home server (which is,
AFAIS, the "mailman" site list).  [...]  If you have a list named "tom",
you'll have that mail to be sent to "tom at localhost", NOT
"mailman at localhost"."

Exactly what I needed to know!  Thanks!  That worked perfectly.

I do have one small problem that arose directly after this, though.

I got the whole thing working with the existing lists, tested them and
everything is fine.  Then I added one more list (using
/usr/local/mailman/bin/newlist) and that list seems to be working
perfectly too except that no mail every gets anywhere!

If a member sends to the new list, the mail is received and added to the
archives, and everything is fine, but no member ever gets a message. 
The other lists work and sends mail to subscribers so it seems like
postfix is working.  Also, adding a member to that new list works, but
the new member never gets a subsciption welcome message either.  It's
like this one list just refuses to send mail.

Anyone have an idea as to what would cause one list to act that way?

-Tom Caudron




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Feb  9 01:37:23 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Feb 2004 19:37:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue
In-Reply-To: <20040208233103.53614.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040208233103.53614.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1076287043.3158.174.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 18:31, David A Boothe wrote:
> You know I really HATE that kind of answer.  

Then don't use Open Source.

> In all the time that one takes to write what he did he could have easily said what each character stood for.  Yet all he did was tell me that I could go search through miles of documentation and try to find it.  Sorry if I sound like I am pissing into the wind but some folks do have reading disabilities and aks questions to get answers not wise ass comments.  Can someone actually tell me what each character stands for.  I kind of figured all by myself that it had to do with the status but what exactly each char stood for still has not been answered.
> 
Maybe I'll delete this email before I send it - Maybe not.  It depends
on how really pissed off I am by the sort of person who asks for help,
is pointed to the right place and then bitches about having to actually
help himself by reading the documentation....

And of course its an Exim question on a Mailman list.

Jon Carnes






From r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk  Mon Feb  9 01:48:51 2004
From: r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk (Bob Franklin)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 00:48:51 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue
In-Reply-To: <1076287043.3158.174.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20040208233103.53614.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com>
	<1076287043.3158.174.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0402090040350.1060@nobilis.home.mince.net>

On Mon, 8 Feb 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:

> Maybe I'll delete this email before I send it - Maybe not.  ...

To end this [hopefully!] I sent David a [fairly long] reply with more
information in, along with an explanation of the Y/N lines (in that
'they're an optimisation and don't have anything to do with whether the
message has been delivered or not').  I also suggested he use some of the
Exim logs and command line options to get the answers he desired (rather
than poking around in internal [albeit documented] files).

I also hate the kind of answers I sent David originally, but [as a few
people have pointed out], it was an Exim question on the Mailman list and
I think he's looking in the wrong place for the information he's after,
anyway.

Also note that my original answer was wrong - the list is the addresses to
whom the messages HAVE been delivered and not have not!  [The dangers of
skimming a big page of documentation when half asleep after a day of
sailing.]


If there's any more on this - fire away.  I'm only replying so I can avoid
doing my Japanese homework [what was a page of useful notes last week has
turned into a page of nonsense tonight... erm... this morning]!  Is that a
'ha' or a 'wa'...?

  - Bob


-- 
 Bob Franklin <r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk>          +44 (0)118 378 7147
 Systems and Communications, IT Services, The University of Reading, UK



From caudron at digitalelite.com  Mon Feb  9 02:01:05 2004
From: caudron at digitalelite.com (Tom Caudron)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 20:01:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fetchmailrc and Mailman
In-Reply-To: <1076285589.2419.21.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
References: <1076275242.1691.53.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
	<alm.20040208235730.16942@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<1076285589.2419.21.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
Message-ID: <1076288465.2518.50.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>

I said, "If a member sends to the new list, the mail is received and
added to the archives, and everything is fine, but no member ever gets a
message."

Small revision.  Apparently, I'm getting a 550 bounce error in
/var/log/mail/current, BUT only for one domain (happens to be the same
domain as the list is on), which means that subscribers on a different
domain are getting messages just fine.  No 550 bounce.

So, for this one list (remember all the others work fine regardless fo
domain), I need to tell it not to try to resolve the usernames locally
since it is not the mx for the domain.  Those users don't exist on my
server.

Is there some setting I'm missing that overrides the
local_recipient_maps variable (found in /etc/postfix/main.cf) on a per
list basis?

In /etc/postfix/main.cf, I've set:

local_recipient_maps = 

Because setting it to nothing is postfix's way of telling itself not to
try to resolve names locally.  The default setting causes all mail sent
to external users to fail with the 550 bounce message in
/var/log/mail/current just as it is now for that one list.

I admit that I'm a little confused.  Anybody every run across this issue
before?  I'm sure it's just a simple config error on my part, but any
help at all would be appreciated.

Thanks.

-Tom Caudron




From andrew at clinicdesign.com.au  Mon Feb  9 04:00:46 2004
From: andrew at clinicdesign.com.au (Andrew Barter)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:30:46 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change the sending email address
Message-ID: <ACB58D7EB1318947B319C01D1A5C3863097CE4@neo.spud.com>

Hi,

I would like to change the email address that sends out the emails to a mailman list.

The emails come from the following address:
from=<kojoworld-admin at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx>

where xxx is our IP address.

Because this is an IP address, a lot of the outward mail is getting bounced because of the following:
 Sender address rejected: Domain not found


Any help would be great.
Thankyou

Andrew


From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Mon Feb  9 06:04:15 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 06:04:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue
In-Reply-To: <20040208231348.68818.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <alm.20040208235247.16941@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
	<20040208231348.68818.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <245e20pdi2nkfhh7pf4k7sb22dufjv24no@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

David A Boothe:

> Ok but what are the YN, etc in front of each address?

Read your Exim documentation:
<http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.30/doc/html/spec_49.html#CHAP49>

|  Following the options there is a list of those addresses to which the
|  message is not to be delivered. This set of addresses is initialized
|  from the command line when the -t option is used and
|  extract_addresses_remove_arguments is set; otherwise it starts out
|  empty. Whenever a successful delivery is made, the address is added
|  to this set. The addresses are kept internally as a balanced binary
|  tree, and it is a representation of that tree which is written to the
|  spool file. If an address is expanded via an alias or forward file,
|  the original address is added to the tree when deliveries to all its
|  child addresses are complete. 
|
|  If the tree is empty, there is a single line in the spool file
|  containing just the text ?XX?. Otherwise, each line consists of two
|  letters, which are either Y or N, followed by an address. The address
|  is the value for the node of the tree, and the letters indicate
|  whether the node has a left branch and/or a right branch attached to
|  it, respectively. If branches exist, they immediately follow. Here is
|  an example of a three-node tree: 
|
|   YY darcy at austen.fict.example
|   NN alice at wonderland.fict.example
|   NN editor at thesaurus.ref.example

That has got nothing to do with Mailman.

-thh




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Feb  9 12:44:47 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:44:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue
In-Reply-To: <20040208233103.53614.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040208233103.53614.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06002067bc4d22e7b896@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:31 PM -0800 2004/02/08, David A Boothe wrote:

>  You know I really HATE that kind of answer.  In all the time that
>  one takes to write what he did he could have easily said what each
>  character stood for.  Yet all he did was tell me that I could go
>  search through miles of documentation and try to find it.

	You asked a question about a particular MTA, on a mailing list 
that is not devoted to that program.  You need to use the resources 
provided for you through the support mechanism for that program, and 
not expect that everyone everywhere will drop everything to cater to 
your every whim.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Feb  9 12:48:19 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:48:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extract or dump of subscribers from
 mailman?
In-Reply-To: <139104106937.20040207125240@ibfx.com>
References: <139104106937.20040207125240@ibfx.com>
Message-ID: <p06002068bc4d23d4f013@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:52 PM -0500 2004/02/07, Richard Frenkel wrote:

>    Another comment: this question may have been asked before, but there
>    is no search capability on the archives that I can see. That would
>    be very useful. It would seem more useful to place this archive into a
>    newsgroup since newsgroups can be searched.

	At the bottom of every message posted to this list, you will find 
the following line (wrapped here for clarity):

		Searchable Archives:
		http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Feb  9 12:52:43 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:52:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <HOEILMABJJGMBFFOJDAHOEHDEEAA.jake@sunsiteweb.com>
References: <HOEILMABJJGMBFFOJDAHOEHDEEAA.jake@sunsiteweb.com>
Message-ID: <p0600206abc4d24881a52@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:41 PM -0600 2004/02/05, Jake Sadoff wrote:

>  I was wondering if there is a way for users to automatically unsubscribe
>  from the mailing list by filling out a form, rather than me having to
>  manually delete them one at a time?

	This is a feature already available.  When the user goes to the 
main admin web page for the list and logs in with their mail address 
and password, there is a single "unsubscribe" button that they can 
click on.  They will have to confirm their unsubscription via e-mail, 
but all that happens without your involvement -- unless you have 
configured the list to require approvals for unsubscribes as well as 
subscribes, etc....

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From mike at afrihost.com  Mon Feb  9 14:57:21 2004
From: mike at afrihost.com (Mike Salibas)
Date: 09 Feb 2004 15:57:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] info and logs?
Message-ID: <1076335041.13407.75.camel@rt.brevis.co.za>

Hi y'all,

I have a bit of a problem with a client.
He set up a mailing nist on our server. He sent an e-mail to this list
and some of the people in the list had autoresponders set up.
the automatic replies were sent back to the list and hence to everyone
in the list.

Now, the client claims that he definitely had the list moderated.

Does mailman provide logs with regards to a specific mailign list's
admin history?
ie: can i check in a particular log file to see when the list was
created and when the list was modified (moderation was set to ON for
esxample)?

regards,
Mike Salibas
Afrihost.com


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From info at bazzmann.com  Mon Feb  9 15:01:33 2004
From: info at bazzmann.com (Marco Trevisan - Bazzmann.Com)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:01:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fixed: Help with mailpasswds error in CRON job
In-Reply-To: <LKUQD82XVT2U42N65A598QLOJYSTS2Y.3eddf05c@sum789>
References: <LKUQD82XVT2U42N65A598QLOJYSTS2Y.3eddf05c@sum789>
Message-ID: <402792BD.5090304@bazzmann.com>

Tomas (NW7US) wrote:

> The mailman list was not defined.
> 
> All is working now.

Hi Tomas,
I have now the same problem, "mailpasswds" doesn't work
and the message is the same. How did you solved it?

Thanks,

-- 

Aloha,
Marco Trevisan
------------------------------------------------------------------------
< bazzmann|mag > E' nato il design molecolare. | http://www.bazzmann.com



From caudron at digitalelite.com  Mon Feb  9 15:25:18 2004
From: caudron at digitalelite.com (Tom Caudron)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 09:25:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages bounce but only for one domain on one list
Message-ID: <1076336717.1689.33.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>

I sent out a message about this over the weekend, but since the nature
of the problem changed (and I got no replies to the first post anyway)
I'm moving it to it's own thread for clarity.

I set up my Gentoo linux server with:

Postfix 2.0.16-r1
Mailman 2.1.4
Fetchmail 6.2.3

Once I got the setup all working (with the default Mailman list and 2
other lists) and I'd tested it, I set about adding the rest of the
lists.

When I added the next list, however, that new list didn't work right.

Apparently, I'm getting a 550 bounce error in
/var/log/mail/current, BUT only for one domain (happens to be the same
domain as the list is on), which means that subscribers on a different
domain are getting messages just fine.  No 550 bounce.  A sample error
follows:

Feb  9 08:33:27 [postfix/smtp] 6C30418B04: to=<username at mydomain.com>, relay=mx00.1and1.com[217.160.230.10], delay=0, status=bounced (host mx00.1and1.com[217.160.230.10] said: 550 rejected: unknown local-part in sender <mylist-bounces at mydomain.com> (in reply to MAIL FROM command))

So, for this one list (remember all the others work fine regardless of
domain), I need to tell it not to try to resolve the usernames locally
since it is not the mx for this or any domain.  Those users don't exist
on my server.

To be clear, say my list is MyList at MyDomain.com and I have two members
(User at Mydomain.com and User at AnotherDomain.com).  When a message is sent
to the list by either user, it is collected and added to the archive,
but only User at AnotherDomain.com will get the message in his inbox.  For
User at MyDomain.com I will get an error similar to the one I detail above
because it is trying to resolve all MyDomain.com address to local
users...but only for this one list!  The others appear to work fine.

Is there some setting I'm missing that overrides the
local_recipient_maps variable (found in /etc/postfix/main.cf) on a per
list basis?

In /etc/postfix/main.cf, I've set:

local_recipient_maps = 

Because setting it to nothing is postfix's way of telling itself not to
try to resolve names locally.  The default setting causes all mail sent
to external users to fail with the 550 bounce message in
/var/log/mail/current just as it is now for that one list.

I admit that I'm a little confused.  Anybody every run across this issue
before?  I'm sure it's just a simple config error on my part, but any
help at all would be appreciated.

-Tom Caudron




From maillists at conactive.com  Mon Feb  9 15:31:32 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:31:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extract or dump of subscribers from mailman?
In-Reply-To: <p06002068bc4d23d4f013@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <139104106937.20040207125240@ibfx.com>
	<p06002068bc4d23d4f013@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <VA.000016ab.012f32ea@virtual-access.org>

Brad Knowles wrote on Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:48:19 +0100:

> Searchable Archives:
>   http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>

Unfortunately, the link to the maillists on www.lists.org doesn't point to 
that archive. Wouldn't it be much better to change that link to point to a 
searchable archive instead of having users subscribe to the list because 
they can't search for an answer?

Hm, looking at
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
I see that this archive is somewhat slow, it doesn't contain any messages 
newer than Feb 06 and a search produces an htdig error.

Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From simon at caperet.com  Mon Feb  9 15:38:34 2004
From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:38:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages bounce but only for one domain on one
	list
In-Reply-To: <1076336717.1689.33.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
References: <1076336717.1689.33.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
Message-ID: <20040209143834.GY26827@mediadev.com>

09-Feb-04 at 09:25, Tom Caudron (caudron at digitalelite.com) wrote :
> Feb  9 08:33:27 [postfix/smtp] 6C30418B04: to=<username at mydomain.com>, relay=mx00.1and1.com[217.160.230.10], delay=0, status=bounced (host mx00.1and1.com[217.160.230.10] said: 550 rejected: unknown local-part in sender <mylist-bounces at mydomain.com> (in reply to MAIL FROM command))
> 
> Is there some setting I'm missing that overrides the
> local_recipient_maps variable (found in /etc/postfix/main.cf) on a per
> list basis?
> 
> In /etc/postfix/main.cf, I've set:
> 
> local_recipient_maps = 
> 
> Because setting it to nothing is postfix's way of telling itself not to
> try to resolve names locally.  The default setting causes all mail sent
> to external users to fail with the 550 bounce message in
> /var/log/mail/current just as it is now for that one list.

I think you need to look at mydestination and perhaps
recipient_delimiter if indeed it's set to "-" you could be causing
unknown local-part errors too.

local_recipient_maps is just to allow you to reject incoming mail at the
RCPT TO: stage of the SMTP conversation instead of waiting until the end
of the DATA command (thus saving bandwidth on dictionary attack attempts
to spam your users).

Not strictly related to Mailman, file under: Postfix setup with Mailman
using Fetchmail.

-- 
Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration.
email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access
     Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Feb  9 16:51:54 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:51:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extract or dump of subscribers from
 mailman?
In-Reply-To: <VA.000016ab.012f32ea@virtual-access.org>
References: <139104106937.20040207125240@ibfx.com>
	<p06002068bc4d23d4f013@[10.0.1.3]>
	<VA.000016ab.012f32ea@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <p0600206fbc4d5ba31f54@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:31 PM +0100 2004/02/09, Kai Schaetzl wrote:

>>  Searchable Archives:
>>    http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>  Unfortunately, the link to the maillists on www.lists.org doesn't point to
>  that archive. Wouldn't it be much better to change that link to point to a
>  searchable archive instead of having users subscribe to the list because
>  they can't search for an answer?

	Yeah, we should ask Barry to get that part of the page updated.

	Sorry, I thought that link was already there.

>  Hm, looking at
>  http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>  I see that this archive is somewhat slow, it doesn't contain any messages
>  newer than Feb 06 and a search produces an htdig error.

	I can confirm that there don't seem to be any messages there 
newer than 6 Feb at the moment, but I don't get an htdig error when I 
search.


	An alternative solution is to use Google, and add one of the 
following tags to what you're searching for:

		inurl:www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
		inurl:mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/

	That way, you can search just about any archive of any public 
mailing list, even if they don't have a separate search engine.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From tcrouch at du.edu  Mon Feb  9 17:14:45 2004
From: tcrouch at du.edu (Tim Crouch)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:14:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <E1AqDo9-0004U5-8t@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <009e01c3ef27$d5a46670$6501a8c0@orion>



-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+tcrouch=du.edu at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+tcrouch=du.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of
mailman-users-request at python.org
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:59 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 17, Issue 33

Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
	mailman-users at python.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
	http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
	mailman-users-request at python.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
	mailman-users-owner at python.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."




From barry at python.org  Mon Feb  9 17:30:41 2004
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 11:30:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Several big changes slated for 2.1.5 (long)
Message-ID: <1076344240.27044.59.camel@anthem>

I have some rather big changes ready for MM2.1.5 that I wanted to
describe and get feedback from you.  While I have this stuff working and
ready to be checked in, we will definitely need some beta testing before
unleashing on the world.  I hope you'll be able to help with that.  I
think these changes are important enough to put into 2.1 rather than
waiting for any future major release.

The first big change is the most externally visible one.  I believe the
current scheme for bounce processing is unusable in today's world of
MyDoom sender forgeries, anti-virus front-ends on remote SMTPs and the
like.  On python.org we've seen many cases where people are getting
unexpectedly bounce disabled, even though they receive all legitimate
traffic to a mailing list.  What's happening?  It's simply that, while
we have spam and virus defenses in place on python.org, some crap still
gets through.  Imagine I'm on a busy list and I forward barry at python.org
through my home ISP, which has a virus and spam detector on that
address.  Now say that list gets 100 msgs/day and 1% of those messages
are false negative spams.  The message gets onto the list, but my ISP
catches them and rejects them, which triggers a bounce and thus my
score's just been increased by 1.  I only need one sneaky spam per day
to get me bounce disabled, even though most of the mail is legit and
gets through.

So I've implemented a revised scheme that we've talked about before,
based on what I believe ezmlm does.  All the bounce parameters are still
in effect, however when a member's bounce score reaches the threshold,
we now send a specially prepared probe message containing a VERP'd
sender with an unguessable token.  When we send the probe, the member's
bounce score is reset.  If the probe bounces, then we disable the member
and do the normal reminders.  If the probe doesn't bounce the member
would stay enabled and their score starts accumulating from zero again. 
A benefit of this rewrite is that we can include in the probe, the last
bouncing message as a sample to the user so they can start to get a clue
as to why they're getting bounce scored.

This change has prompted an internal rewrite of the pending database. 
Previously the entire site had a single pending.pck file for all actions
requiring confirmation by the user -- held subscription cancellation,
subscription, unsub, and change of address confirmations, and bounce
re-enable confirmations.  This was a problem for several reasons,
including that every list had to block on acquiring the lock for this
file.

Now, each list has its own pending.pck file and while the list lock must
be acquired to update this database, at least this doesn't block other
lists from doing things.  The upgrade script attempts to migrate the
single shared pending.pck file to the individual list files, but the
conversion is difficult because the associated list is not stored with
most of the records in that file.  I do my best, but it's possible that
some pending actions may get lost.

The other big change is a purely internal one, but it may affect the
work flow for some admins.  I've changed the qfiles file format so that
only one file is used per message.  Previously we had one file for the
message and one file for the metadata.  Now, a single pickle file is
used with the first object in the pickle being the message object and
the second being the metadata dictionary.  This approach has several
advantages.  The code is simpler, there are no race conditions
opportunities, we can't possibly have orphaned data files, and probably
most importantly we now only need half the inodes we did before.  In
addition, I've decided to turn on fsync'ing for this new qfile all the
time, so storage should be more reliable too.

The downside is that I've removed the ability to set a METADATA_FORMAT. 
We use Python pickles and that's it.  I doubt many people have been
using (or were even aware of) the alternatives, although I've had the
occasional bug report on them so I know that number is non-zero.  The
other downside for some people is that the behavior of
SAVE_MSGS_AS_PICKLES=False will change.  When that non-standard setting
is used, we'll still write everything to a pickle file, but we'll use
text pickles instead of the more efficient (but not human readable)
binary pickles.  Also, we'll write the message object as a pickled
string instead of a pickled object.  Again, this will be less efficient
because we'll have to parse the message every time it's dequeued, but
this option will still allow people to edit queued messages with a
normal text editor, albeit less conveniently.

I think this trade-off is worth it.  The upgrade script will combine any
existing qfiles so you won't have to clear your queue when upgrading. 
To be safe, you /will/ have to stop Mailman, your MTA, and your web
server before upgrading (but this was always recommended practice).

I intend to commit these changes to CVS within a week and will probably
release a 2.1.5 alpha.  This will touch a lot of files, but it will
hopefully make the system more efficient and usable.  Once this is done
I hope to have more time to start addressing other bugs and issues in
the 2.1 branch.

Again, when everything's checked it, please test things out as much as
possible, especially if you are using older Python versions.  I've
tested primarily with Python 2.3.3 but I was careful not to use any
feature that isn't supported in Python 2.1.3.  I might have missed
something though.

-Barry





From caudron at digitalelite.com  Mon Feb  9 17:50:12 2004
From: caudron at digitalelite.com (Tom Caudron)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 11:50:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages bounce but only for one domain on one
	list
In-Reply-To: <20040209143834.GY26827@mediadev.com>
References: <1076336717.1689.33.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
	<20040209143834.GY26827@mediadev.com>
Message-ID: <1076345411.2643.62.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>

Simon suggested, "I think you need to look at mydestination and perhaps
recipient_delimiter if indeed it's set to "-" you could be causing
unknown local-part errors too."

I've set them as follows:

mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain
recipient_delimiter = +

I also tried:

mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain

which didn't fix the problem.

Also, this issue only exists for one of my lists.  The other lists don't
have a problem sending mail to members on any domain.  Just one list
that won't send to recipients on the same domain, and it looks like it's
becuase it expects them to be local users.  This doesn't run on the mx
for the domain, though, so they aren't local users.

any ideas?

-Tom


On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 09:38, Simon White wrote:
> 09-Feb-04 at 09:25, Tom Caudron (caudron at digitalelite.com) wrote :
> > Feb  9 08:33:27 [postfix/smtp] 6C30418B04: to=<username at mydomain.com>, relay=mx00.1and1.com[217.160.230.10], delay=0, status=bounced (host mx00.1and1.com[217.160.230.10] said: 550 rejected: unknown local-part in sender <mylist-bounces at mydomain.com> (in reply to MAIL FROM command))
> > 
> > Is there some setting I'm missing that overrides the
> > local_recipient_maps variable (found in /etc/postfix/main.cf) on a per
> > list basis?
> > 
> > In /etc/postfix/main.cf, I've set:
> > 
> > local_recipient_maps = 
> > 
> > Because setting it to nothing is postfix's way of telling itself not to
> > try to resolve names locally.  The default setting causes all mail sent
> > to external users to fail with the 550 bounce message in
> > /var/log/mail/current just as it is now for that one list.
> 
> I think you need to look at mydestination and perhaps
> recipient_delimiter if indeed it's set to "-" you could be causing
> unknown local-part errors too.
> 
> local_recipient_maps is just to allow you to reject incoming mail at the
> RCPT TO: stage of the SMTP conversation instead of waiting until the end
> of the DATA command (thus saving bandwidth on dictionary attack attempts
> to spam your users).
> 
> Not strictly related to Mailman, file under: Postfix setup with Mailman
> using Fetchmail.




From wahlmann at agro.uba.ar  Mon Feb  9 18:28:12 2004
From: wahlmann at agro.uba.ar (Mariano Wahlmann)
Date: 09 Feb 2004 14:28:12 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
Message-ID: <1076347692.9562.44.camel@petrus.agro.uba.ar>

How can i let some people to post to moderated list using password?,
like petidomo, who lets you put in the first line of the body the word
password, and so you can post without aproval.
i don't want unmoderated users, because if some other change the from
header, it could send spam to the list.

Thanks.








From adam at cuddlepuddle.org  Mon Feb  9 18:23:45 2004
From: adam at cuddlepuddle.org (Adam Wozniak)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:23:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402090913270.6434-100000@localhost.localdomain>

I upgraded a machine this weekend to redhat 9 (shrike)
removed sendmail
installed qmail

installed mailman 2.1.4 with

./configure --prefix=/var/mailman --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mailhost=cudd
lepuddle.org --with-urlhost=cuddlepuddle.org --with-mail-gid=nofiles

python appears to be 2.2.2

modified httpd.conf

added to /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py:
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Qmail'
SENDMAIL_CMD = '/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject'

All the web pages are there, but if I try to mail to a list from my shell,
or subscribe a new person to a list from the web interface, no mail gets
sent out.

normal mail (users sending/receiving/etc... with pine or whatever, not
going through mailman) works fine.

/var/mailman/logs is empty

/var/log/mailman/error says only:
--8<--8<--
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/mailman/lists/umbra/config.pck.last'
Feb 08 16:46:02 2004 (3781) couldn't load config file /var/mailman/lists/umbra/config.pck

[lots of those types deleted, I understand they are normal when upgrading]

Feb 09 02:31:25 2004 qrunner(31300): Run one or more qrunners, once or repeatedly.

Each named runner class is run in round-robin fashion.  In other words, the
first named runner is run to consume all the files currently in its
directory.  When that qrunner is done, the next one is run to consume all the
files in /its/ directory, and so on.  The number of total iterations can be
given on the command line.

Usage: /var/mailman/bin/qrunner [options]

Options:

    -r runner[:slice:range]
    --runner=runner[:slice:range]
        Run the named qrunner, which must be one of the strings returned by
        the -l option.  Optional slice:range if given, is used to assign
        multiple qrunner processes to a queue.  range is the total number of
        qrunners for this queue while slice is the number of this qrunner from
        [0..range).

        If using the slice:range form, you better make sure that each qrunner
        for the queue is given the same range value.  If slice:runner is not
        given, then 1:1 is used.

        Multiple -r options may be given, in which case each qrunner will run
        once in round-robin fashion.  The special runner `All' is shorthand
        for a qrunner for each listed by the -l option.

    --once
    -o
        Run each named qrunner exactly once through its main loop.  Otherwise,
        each qrunner runs indefinitely, until the process receives a SIGTERM
        or SIGINT.

    -l/--list
        Shows the available qrunner names and exit.

    -v/--verbose
        Spit out more debugging information to the logs/qrunner log file.

    -s/--subproc
        This should only be used when running qrunner as a subprocess of the
        mailmanctl startup script.  It changes some of the exit-on-error
        behavior to work better with that framework.

    -h/--help
        Print this message and exit.

runner is required unless -l or -h is given, and it must be one of the names
displayed by the -l switch.
Feb 09 02:31:25 2004 qrunner(31300): 
Feb 09 02:31:25 2004 qrunner(31300): No runner name given. 
--8<--8<--

Is there a troubleshooting checklist anywhere?  Where do I look for problems?

Please help, I need to get this thing going quickly.

-- 
adam at cuddlepuddle.org        http://cuddlepuddle.org/~adam/pgp.html
                             http://cuddlepuddle.org/~adam/resume.html
"The dinosaurs are not around today because they did not have a space program."
  -- Arthur C. Clarke




From simon at caperet.com  Mon Feb  9 18:15:12 2004
From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:15:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages bounce but only for one domain on one
	list
In-Reply-To: <1076345411.2643.62.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
References: <1076336717.1689.33.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
	<20040209143834.GY26827@mediadev.com>
	<1076345411.2643.62.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
Message-ID: <20040209171512.GK26827@mediadev.com>

09-Feb-04 at 11:50, Tom Caudron (caudron at digitalelite.com) wrote :
> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain
> 
> which didn't fix the problem.

Postfix will try to deliver $mydestination locally.

So if email is sent to a list subscriber labelled as
johndoe at mydomain.com and mydomain.com is in $mydestination, then it
doesn't matter what the DNS says. Postfix will attempt local delivery.

So you really need $mydestination to only be a subdomain of $mydomain,
and then stop/start Postfix.

If this is not the problem, please enlighten me.

Cheers,

-- 
Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration.
email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access
     Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team.



From caudron at digitalelite.com  Mon Feb  9 19:45:25 2004
From: caudron at digitalelite.com (Tom Caudron)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:45:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages bounce but only for one domain on one
	list
In-Reply-To: <20040209171512.GK26827@mediadev.com>
References: <1076336717.1689.33.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
	<20040209143834.GY26827@mediadev.com>
	<1076345411.2643.62.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>
	<20040209171512.GK26827@mediadev.com>
Message-ID: <1076352324.2476.125.camel@Rohan.MiddleEarth>

Simon said, "So if email is sent to a list subscriber labelled as
johndoe at mydomain.com and mydomain.com is in $mydestination, then it
doesn't matter what the DNS says. Postfix will attempt local delivery.
So you really need $mydestination to only be a subdomain of $mydomain,
and then stop/start Postfix."

Mine is currently "mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain"
which works for the other two lists but not for the latest list I
created.  Is there something I'm supposed to run after I create a list
that I haven't?  I don't have a subdomain to use for mydestination. 
Maybe if I give real names it'll be easier to follow and maybe clearer. 
It's such a mess in my mind, I'm worried that I'm not being clear when I
explain it.

I have a domain (digitalelite.com) and that domain's mx is hosted by
another company (1and1.com).

Since 1and1.com doesn't offer mailing lists, I figured I'd set up my
home server (which is is no way associated with digitalelite.com) as the
mailing list server for digitalelite.com.

That home server machine name is Mordor.MiddleEarth (Yep, I'm a geek: my
home network uses the *.MiddleEarth naming convention <g>).

So what I've done is told Postfix not to accept any mail from anywhere
but itself (the external port 25 is blocked by my firewall and I've set
inet_interfaces = localhost in /etc/postfix/main.cf).

I created new lists with /usr/local/mailman/bin/newlist and I've created
an /etc/fetchmailrc that grabs each list address and points it to the
new lists like this:

----
set daemon 60

poll pop.1and1.com protocol pop3
# test mailing list
	username uid7 with password mysecret, is test here;
	username uid8 with password mysecret, is test-request here;
	username uid9 with password mysecret, is test-admin here;
# list1 mailing list
	username uid1 with password mysecret, is list1 here;
	username uid2 with password mysecret, is list1-request here;
	username uid3 with password mysecret, is list1-admin here;
# list2 mailing list
	username uid4 with password mysecret, is list2 here;
	username uid5 with password mysecret, is list2-request here;
	username uid6 with password mysecret, is list2-admin here;
----

When setting things up and trying to get it all working, I created test
and list1 lists.  Those lists work just fine in all respects.  However,
once I thought I had everything working I tried to add a list (list2). 
Only for list 2 do I get this new problem.

I think it has decided that its domain is digitalelite.com, even though
it is not.  Mail addressed to *@digitalelite.com, just for this one
list, coming from the list is getting stopped because Postfix thinks it
should be a local user and throws an error 550 as a result (because
these are not local users).  The mail gets into the archive for list2,
and it goes out to members that are not using digitalelite.com
addresses.

If it were a problem with the mydestination variable in main.cf wouldn't
that affect all lists?  Maybe not.  What could cause this behavior to
only affect some lists and not others?.  I've been staring at these
config files so long now that they are started to jumble up in my brain.

Sorry to be a newbie pest.  I have googled til my fingers bled and still
I can't find an answer there and I'm desperate.  :-)

Anyone that can shed light on this list behavior will be profusely
thanked (sure my thanks are worthless, but they're all I've got <g>)!

-Tom Caudron



On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 12:15, Simon White wrote:
> 09-Feb-04 at 11:50, Tom Caudron (caudron at digitalelite.com) wrote :
> > mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain
> > 
> > which didn't fix the problem.
> 
> Postfix will try to deliver $mydestination locally.
> 
> So if email is sent to a list subscriber labelled as
> johndoe at mydomain.com and mydomain.com is in $mydestination, then it
> doesn't matter what the DNS says. Postfix will attempt local delivery.
> 
> So you really need $mydestination to only be a subdomain of $mydomain,
> and then stop/start Postfix.
> 
> If this is not the problem, please enlighten me.
> 
> Cheers,




From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Mon Feb  9 07:54:41 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 07:54:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue
References: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0402082324580.1060@nobilis.home.mince.net>
	<20040208233948.45088.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alm.20040209075443.16954@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

David A Boothe schrieb:

> I read that and it made about as much sense to me as a medical text
> book on brain surgury written is greek.  All I want to know is what
> the two letters indicate!

It has got nothing to do with Mailman. Go and ask at the right place.

> I have no clue 

Obviously. But please stop bothering us with that.

-thh




From adam at cuddlepuddle.org  Mon Feb  9 22:39:52 2004
From: adam at cuddlepuddle.org (Adam Wozniak)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:39:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402090913270.6434-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091339080.8218-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Adam Wozniak wrote:
> [ qmail and mailman woes deleted]
>
> Is there a troubleshooting checklist anywhere?  Where do I look for problems?
> 
> Please help, I need to get this thing going quickly.

Anyone?  Bueller?

-- 
adam at cuddlepuddle.org        http://cuddlepuddle.org/~adam/pgp.html
                             http://cuddlepuddle.org/~adam/resume.html
"The dinosaurs are not around today because they did not have a space program."
  -- Arthur C. Clarke




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Mon Feb  9 22:44:18 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:44:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue
In-Reply-To: <alm.20040209075443.16954@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0402082324580.1060@nobilis.home.mince.net>
	<20040208233948.45088.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com>
	<alm.20040209075443.16954@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
Message-ID: <1CE1B3FC-5B49-11D8-A5A9-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Feb 8, 2004, at 10:54 PM, Thomas Hochstein wrote:

> It has got nothing to do with Mailman. Go and ask at the right place.
>
>> I have no clue
>
> Obviously. But please stop bothering us with that.
>

c'mon, folks.

There's a polite way to help people, and then there's -- this.

Stuff like this doesn't give the project as a whole a good karma out in 
the real world.

My suggestion: if you aren't going to help, stay quiet. This is very 
clearly not helping.

Please stop bothering the world with your grumpiness. The ONLY person 
who has the right to be grumpy at users of this list is Barry. The rest 
of us are here to either help take the load off of Barry, or to shut up 
and not create problems for him.





From jamie at silverdream.org  Mon Feb  9 22:50:35 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:50:35 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains and admin passwords
In-Reply-To: <1076040876.22164.145.camel@localhost>
References: <1076040876.22164.145.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1076363435.1158.24.camel@localhost>

I still haven't got any answers to this, and I could really do with one.
Is there any way of having different passwords for list creation based
on the virtual domain, so for example, pass1 for lists.xyz.com and pass2
for lists.abc123.com...?

Thanks in advance

On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 04:14, Jamie Penman-Smithson wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> Currently I've got mailman setup with virtual domains support, it works
> by having a sub-domain assigned to mailman - lists (ex.
> lists.somewhere.net, lists.otherplace.org, etc.). This is all fine and
> good, except that all of the domains share the same site administrator
> password. 
> 
> Is there anyway of allowing users to add/remove/change mailing lists
> only on their site? In other words, they use a password to access the
> admin interface to add mailing lists, but it only works on a particular
> domain...?
> 
> I've googled on the subject, but couldn't find anything relevant...
> 
> Many thanks in advance,
> 
> -j

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From e9806056 at student.tuwien.ac.at  Mon Feb  9 23:07:21 2004
From: e9806056 at student.tuwien.ac.at (Christian Hubinger)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:07:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman+Qmail -> can't get it working
Message-ID: <200402092307.22548.e9806056@student.tuwien.ac.at>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi!

First I'd like to say hello to all here as this is my first posting.

I'm trieng to setup Mailman 2.1.4 on RedHat EL 3 using qmail 1.03 (to be exact 
netqmail-1.05). I've configured qmail to use a virtual domain 
lists.mydomaine.com and recieving and sending mail does work - threr where 
also no problems to setup mailman to work thogether with my apache2.
BUT i simply can't get qmail/mailman working thogethter - as described in the 
INSTALL.QMAIL i've set ~mailman chown root, and installed a .qmail-default 
which containes following line: |preline /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/
qmail-to-mailman.py
The .qmail and .qmail-owner files are empty -> thats correct isn't it?. 

The problem is that if i send an email to my test list 
test at lists.mydomaine.com i allways get following failure notize back from 
qmail:

<test at lists.mydomain.com>:
Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)

If i chown mailman /home/mailman the mails are recieved by qmail - no failure 
notize - but they are permanentely queued e.g not deliverd to mailman.

I tried to configure mailman with --with-mail-gid= nofiles qmail and nobody 
(one installation after the other) but still the same problem.

So i'd be very very thankful if some one has an clue for me how to make that 
work. I'm now fighting that beast for almost two days without result (well i 
learend quite a lot about qmail and mailman from reading mailing lists i 
found with google).

thanks in advance and have a nice day,
Chris

btw: if any further info is needed i'll post it but i didn't want to post 100 
lines configuration stuff.

- -- 
If it compiles, commit to CVS.
If it links, ship to customer.
It it runs without bugs, ..., nah, never had that case.
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Feb  9 23:08:56 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 09 Feb 2004 17:08:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091339080.8218-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091339080.8218-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1076364536.3167.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 16:39, Adam Wozniak wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Adam Wozniak wrote:
> > [ qmail and mailman woes deleted]
> >
> > Is there a troubleshooting checklist anywhere?  Where do I look for problems?
> > 
> > Please help, I need to get this thing going quickly.
> 
> Anyone?  Bueller?

I think Bueller's sick today... I heard he was donating a kidney...

Check out FAQ 3.14, it is a troubleshooting checklist.
  Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From python.org at paulm.com  Mon Feb  9 23:16:06 2004
From: python.org at paulm.com (Paul Makepeace)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:16:06 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting domain in URLs
Message-ID: <20040209221606.GA3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>

I host mailing lists on several domains on the same machine. I'd prefer
it that when viewing a listinfo page for ml at domainA.example the URL
contain domainA.example rather than DEFAULT_URL_HOST

(I had originally thought it might be settable via "Host name this list
prefers for email" but that seems something different.)

Is this possible? I tried various things like %(hostname)s but they
didn't seem to get interpolated (my Python is newbie level).

Sorry if this is a FAQ - I didn't see reference to it at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index

Paul

-- 
Paul Makepeace ................................  http://paulm.com/ecademy

"What is life? The colorful machine tools in my bathtub."
   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon Feb  9 23:17:07 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 17:17:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains and admin passwords
In-Reply-To: <1076363435.1158.24.camel@localhost>
References: <1076040876.22164.145.camel@localhost>
	<1076363435.1158.24.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040209221707.GJ19138@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Jamie Penman-Smithson wrote:
> I still haven't got any answers to this, and I could really do with
> one.  Is there any way of having different passwords for list
> creation based on the virtual domain, so for example, pass1 for
> lists.xyz.com and pass2 for lists.abc123.com...?

I don't think you can do that without hacking mailman.  It might not
be that difficult though.  You'd have to modify mmsitepass (to store
separate passwords for the virtual hosts), Utils.py (the
check_global_password and set_global_password methods), create.py, and
SecurityManager.py.  That's just what I gathered from a quick grep
though.  And I'm not a python programmer by any stretch of the
imagination.  YMMV.

- -- 
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From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Mon Feb  9 23:18:32 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:18:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
Message-ID: <20040209221832.GB21698@charite.de>

Formerly we used 2.0.x, and we could use HTML in list descriptions.
Now we have 2.1.4, and all HTML tags are displayed "literally", e.g. as

<LI>

Bug or feature?

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From remko at elvandar.org  Mon Feb  9 23:19:50 2004
From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:19:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting domain in URLs
In-Reply-To: <20040209221744.B49B03F@mail.elvandar.org>
Message-ID: <20040209221906.80F352B4D9C@mail.evilcoder.org>

perhaps
add_virtualhost(...,...)
?

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Verzonden: maandag 9 februari 2004 23:16
Aan: mailman-users at python.org
Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Setting domain in URLs


I host mailing lists on several domains on the same machine. I'd prefer
it that when viewing a listinfo page for ml at domainA.example the URL
contain domainA.example rather than DEFAULT_URL_HOST

(I had originally thought it might be settable via "Host name this list
prefers for email" but that seems something different.)

Is this possible? I tried various things like %(hostname)s but they
didn't seem to get interpolated (my Python is newbie level).

Sorry if this is a FAQ - I didn't see reference to it at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index

Paul

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Feb  9 23:24:10 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:24:10 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting domain in URLs
In-Reply-To: <20040209221606.GA3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
References: <20040209221606.GA3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
Message-ID: <AEEC3C4E-5B4E-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 9 Feb 2004, at 22:16, Paul Makepeace wrote:

> I host mailing lists on several domains on the same machine. I'd prefer
> it that when viewing a listinfo page for ml at domainA.example the URL
> contain domainA.example rather than DEFAULT_URL_HOST
>
> (I had originally thought it might be settable via "Host name this list
> prefers for email" but that seems something different.)
>
> Is this possible? I tried various things like %(hostname)s but they
> didn't seem to get interpolated (my Python is newbie level).
>
> Sorry if this is a FAQ - I didn't see reference to it at
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index
>

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

might be relevant

> Paul
>
> -- 
> Paul Makepeace ................................  
> http://paulm.com/ecademy
>
> "What is life? The colorful machine tools in my bathtub."
>    -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/




From adam at cuddlepuddle.org  Mon Feb  9 23:32:29 2004
From: adam at cuddlepuddle.org (Adam Wozniak)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 14:32:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail
In-Reply-To: <1076364536.3167.40.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091419240.8589-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On 9 Feb 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Check out FAQ 3.14, it is a troubleshooting checklist.
>   Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Ok, I was looking at an earlier version of that document that didn't
mention mailmanctl.  Sure enough:

[root at e log]# ps -aux| grep mailmanctl |grep -v grep

So I poke and eventually:

[root at e log]# /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
Site list is missing: mailman

Ok, search google, more FAQs, doh!  Re-read the install and make
the 'mailman' list, then try again...

[root at e log]# /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
Starting Mailman's master qrunner.

Then I get a whole bunch of these:



Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
      main()
     File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 217, in main
         qrunner = make_qrunner(*runners[0])
     File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 123, in make_qrunner
         qrunner = qrclass(slice, range)
     File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 57, in __init__
         mod = __import__(modname)
   ImportError: No module named Qmail


Maybe changing DELIVERY_MODULE back to Sendmail?  Or maybe SmtpDirect?


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  -- Arthur C. Clarke




From paul at thcwd.com  Mon Feb  9 23:32:33 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:32:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extract or dump of subscribers from
  mailman?
In-Reply-To: <E1AqDoV-0004Zj-B7@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AqDoV-0004Zj-B7@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040209162318.03caceb0@127.0.0.1>

At 09:59 AM 2/9/2004, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:51:54 +0100
>From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Extract or dump of subscribers from
>         mailman?
>To: maillists at conactive.com, barry at python.org
>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>Message-ID: <p0600206fbc4d5ba31f54@[10.0.1.3]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
>At 3:31 PM +0100 2004/02/09, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
>
> >>  Searchable Archives:
> >>    http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >


Kai Schaetzl wrote:
>   Hm, looking at http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ 
> I see that this archive is somewhat slow, it doesn't contain any messages 
> newer than Feb 06 and a search produces an htdig error.



Brad Knowles said:
>I can confirm that there don't seem to be any messages there
>newer than 6 Feb at the moment, but I don't get an htdig error when I
>search.

      I'm getting an error on every try:

ht://Dig error
htsearch detected an error. Please report this to the webmaster of this 
site. The error message is:
Unable to read configuration file


<>< Paul





From remko at elvandar.org  Mon Feb  9 23:39:48 2004
From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:39:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail
In-Reply-To: <20040209223609.200F923@mail.elvandar.org>
Message-ID: <20040209223901.BEE3F2B4DA2@mail.evilcoder.org>

the plain sendmail module works, and
i think you can also use SMTPDirect

Cheers

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Verzonden: maandag 9 februari 2004 23:32
Aan: Jon Carnes
CC: mailman-users at python.org
Onderwerp: Re: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail


On 9 Feb 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Check out FAQ 3.14, it is a troubleshooting checklist.
>   Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Ok, I was looking at an earlier version of that document that didn't
mention mailmanctl.  Sure enough:

[root at e log]# ps -aux| grep mailmanctl |grep -v grep

So I poke and eventually:

[root at e log]# /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
Site list is missing: mailman

Ok, search google, more FAQs, doh!  Re-read the install and make
the 'mailman' list, then try again...

[root at e log]# /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
Starting Mailman's master qrunner.

Then I get a whole bunch of these:



Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
      main()
     File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 217, in main
         qrunner = make_qrunner(*runners[0])
     File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 123, in make_qrunner
         qrunner = qrclass(slice, range)
     File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 57, in
__init__
         mod = __import__(modname)
   ImportError: No module named Qmail


Maybe changing DELIVERY_MODULE back to Sendmail?  Or maybe SmtpDirect?


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From python.org at paulm.com  Mon Feb  9 23:39:36 2004
From: python.org at paulm.com (Paul Makepeace)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:39:36 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting domain in URLs
In-Reply-To: <AEEC3C4E-5B4E-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <20040209221606.GA3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
	<AEEC3C4E-5B4E-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20040209223936.GB3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>

Je 2004-02-09 22:24:10 +0000, Richard Barrett skribis:
> On 9 Feb 2004, at 22:16, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> 
> >I host mailing lists on several domains on the same machine. I'd prefer
> >it that when viewing a listinfo page for ml at domainA.example the URL
> >contain domainA.example rather than DEFAULT_URL_HOST
> >
> >(I had originally thought it might be settable via "Host name this list
> >prefers for email" but that seems something different.)
> >
> >Is this possible? I tried various things like %(hostname)s but they
> >didn't seem to get interpolated (my Python is newbie level).
> >
> >Sorry if this is a FAQ - I didn't see reference to it at
> >http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index
> >
> 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

I don't (yet) see how this bears on my question.

I "host mailing lists on several domains", those domains are different
and thus I would like the domains to appear in the URLs rather than the
single DEFAULT_URL_HOST

So let's say I have (in mm_cfg.py) DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'foo-domain.com'
and two mailing lists, foo at foo-domain.com and bar at bar-domain.com I would
like http://bar-domain.com/mailman/listinfo/bar to show URLs with bar-
domain.com rather than foo-domain.com

Quite simply, I would prefer non-domain specific URLs:
href="/mailman/..." rather than forcing the
href="http://wrong.domain/..."

(Attempting to set DEFAULT_URL_HOST = '' doesn't seem to do
anything useful.)

**

The URL given in the "Overview of all foo.com mailing lists" allows
interpolation of the current URL with a %s. Something like that would be
useful.

Cheers,
Paul

-- 
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   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Feb  9 23:42:14 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:42:14 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091419240.8589-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091419240.8589-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <350EFFFA-5B51-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 9 Feb 2004, at 22:32, Adam Wozniak wrote:

> On 9 Feb 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:
>> Check out FAQ 3.14, it is a troubleshooting checklist.
>>   Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
> Ok, I was looking at an earlier version of that document that didn't
> mention mailmanctl.  Sure enough:
>
> [root at e log]# ps -aux| grep mailmanctl |grep -v grep
>
> So I poke and eventually:
>
> [root at e log]# /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
> Site list is missing: mailman
>
> Ok, search google, more FAQs, doh!  Re-read the install and make
> the 'mailman' list, then try again...
>
> [root at e log]# /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
> Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
>
> Then I get a whole bunch of these:
>
>
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
>       main()
>      File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 217, in main
>          qrunner = make_qrunner(*runners[0])
>      File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 123, in make_qrunner
>          qrunner = qrclass(slice, range)
>      File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 57, in 
> __init__
>          mod = __import__(modname)
>    ImportError: No module named Qmail
>
>
> Maybe changing DELIVERY_MODULE back to Sendmail?  Or maybe SmtpDirect?
>

Use the default SMTPDirect for _any_ MTA, including sendmail. Regarding 
the Sendmail module the following is a quote from $prefix/Defaults.py, 
so it is best not to use it:

<quote>
# WARNING: Sendmail has security holes and should be avoided.  In fact, 
you
# must read the Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py file before it will work 
for
# you.
</quote>

>
> -- 
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>                              http://cuddlepuddle.org/~adam/resume.html
> "The dinosaurs are not around today because they did not have a space 
> program."
>   -- Arthur C. Clarke




From adam at cuddlepuddle.org  Mon Feb  9 23:49:07 2004
From: adam at cuddlepuddle.org (Adam Wozniak)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 14:49:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail
In-Reply-To: <20040209223901.BEE3F2B4DA2@mail.evilcoder.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091448130.2285-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Remko Lodder wrote:
> the plain sendmail module works, and
> i think you can also use SMTPDirect

Ok, I'm getting closer.

/var/mailman/qfiles/shunt

is filling up with the test messages I've been sending to the lists.

How do we make them go?

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Feb  9 23:56:47 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:56:47 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting domain in URLs
In-Reply-To: <20040209223936.GB3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
References: <20040209221606.GA3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
	<AEEC3C4E-5B4E-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<20040209223936.GB3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
Message-ID: <3D516E8A-5B53-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 9 Feb 2004, at 22:39, Paul Makepeace wrote:

> Je 2004-02-09 22:24:10 +0000, Richard Barrett skribis:
>> On 9 Feb 2004, at 22:16, Paul Makepeace wrote:
>>
>>> I host mailing lists on several domains on the same machine. I'd 
>>> prefer
>>> it that when viewing a listinfo page for ml at domainA.example the URL
>>> contain domainA.example rather than DEFAULT_URL_HOST
>>>
>>> (I had originally thought it might be settable via "Host name this 
>>> list
>>> prefers for email" but that seems something different.)
>>>
>>> Is this possible? I tried various things like %(hostname)s but they
>>> didn't seem to get interpolated (my Python is newbie level).
>>>
>>> Sorry if this is a FAQ - I didn't see reference to it at
>>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index
>>>
>>
>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp
>
> I don't (yet) see how this bears on my question.
>
> I "host mailing lists on several domains", those domains are different
> and thus I would like the domains to appear in the URLs rather than the
> single DEFAULT_URL_HOST
>
> So let's say I have (in mm_cfg.py) DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'foo-domain.com'
> and two mailing lists, foo at foo-domain.com and bar at bar-domain.com I 
> would
> like http://bar-domain.com/mailman/listinfo/bar to show URLs with bar-
> domain.com rather than foo-domain.com
>

In that case, per the FAQ entry 4.029 that I cited, you might want to 
say in $prefix/mm_cfg.py:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'foo-domain.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'foo-domain.com'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('bar-domain.com', 'bar-domain.com')

and use fix_url to set the foo-domain.com lists to use foo-domain.com 
and bar-domain.com lists to use bar-domain.com. Then the generated URLs 
associated with each list will include the correct virtual host. Also 
visiting http://<domain>/mailman/listinfo will list only those lists 
associated with <domain> if you set VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = On 
(actually the default) in mm_cfg.py

Run $bin/fix_url.py with --help to get instructions on its use.

> Quite simply, I would prefer non-domain specific URLs:
> href="/mailman/..." rather than forcing the
> href="http://wrong.domain/..."
>

Unbfortunately Mailman doesn't work that way but if you set up the 
virtual hosts you may be able to achieve some of what you want.

> (Attempting to set DEFAULT_URL_HOST = '' doesn't seem to do
> anything useful.)
>
> **
>
> The URL given in the "Overview of all foo.com mailing lists" allows
> interpolation of the current URL with a %s. Something like that would 
> be
> useful.
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
> -- 
> Paul Makepeace ................................  
> http://paulm.com/ecademy
>
> "What is the capital of Norway? On tuesdays."
>    -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
>




From adam at cuddlepuddle.org  Tue Feb 10 00:05:36 2004
From: adam at cuddlepuddle.org (Adam Wozniak)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:05:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail
In-Reply-To: <350EFFFA-5B51-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091504560.2558-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Richard Barrett wrote:
> Use the default SMTPDirect for _any_ MTA, including sendmail. Regarding 
> the Sendmail module the following is a quote from $prefix/Defaults.py, 
> so it is best not to use it:

Ok, using SMTPDirect.  Is this ok too:

SENDMAIL_CMD = '/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject'

-- 
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                             http://cuddlepuddle.org/~adam/resume.html
"The dinosaurs are not around today because they did not have a space program."
  -- Arthur C. Clarke




From barry at python.org  Tue Feb 10 00:05:35 2004
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:05:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extract or dump of subscribers from mailman?
In-Reply-To: <p0600206fbc4d5ba31f54@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <139104106937.20040207125240@ibfx.com>
	<p06002068bc4d23d4f013@[10.0.1.3]>
	<VA.000016ab.012f32ea@virtual-access.org>
	<p0600206fbc4d5ba31f54@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <1076367933.4550.22.camel@anthem>

On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 10:51, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 3:31 PM +0100 2004/02/09, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> 
> >>  Searchable Archives:
> >>    http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> >  Unfortunately, the link to the maillists on www.lists.org doesn't point to
> >  that archive. Wouldn't it be much better to change that link to point to a
> >  searchable archive instead of having users subscribe to the list because
> >  they can't search for an answer?
> 
> 	Yeah, we should ask Barry to get that part of the page updated.
> 
> 	Sorry, I thought that link was already there.
> 
> >  Hm, looking at
> >  http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >  I see that this archive is somewhat slow, it doesn't contain any messages
> >  newer than Feb 06 and a search produces an htdig error.
> 
> 	I can confirm that there don't seem to be any messages there 
> newer than 6 Feb at the moment, but I don't get an htdig error when I 
> search.

www.mail-archive.com also gives me an htdig error.

> 
> 	An alternative solution is to use Google, and add one of the 
> following tags to what you're searching for:
> 
> 		inurl:www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 		inurl:mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/
> 
> 	That way, you can search just about any archive of any public 
> mailing list, even if they don't have a separate search engine.

What about pointing people to gmane?  They have a nice little search box
at the bottom of the page.

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mailman.user

-Barry





From remko at elvandar.org  Tue Feb 10 00:13:17 2004
From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:13:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail
In-Reply-To: <20040209230803.681AF40@mail.elvandar.org>
Message-ID: <20040209231229.965A62B4D82@mail.evilcoder.org>

/var/qmail/bin/sendmail
should also be able to do the task :)

--

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Verzonden: dinsdag 10 februari 2004 0:06
Aan: Richard Barrett
CC: Mailman Users
Onderwerp: Re: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail


On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Richard Barrett wrote:
> Use the default SMTPDirect for _any_ MTA, including sendmail. Regarding
> the Sendmail module the following is a quote from $prefix/Defaults.py,
> so it is best not to use it:

Ok, using SMTPDirect.  Is this ok too:

SENDMAIL_CMD = '/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject'

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From adam at cuddlepuddle.org  Tue Feb 10 00:15:01 2004
From: adam at cuddlepuddle.org (Adam Wozniak)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:15:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail
In-Reply-To: <20040209231229.965A62B4D82@mail.evilcoder.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091514170.2259-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Remko Lodder wrote:
> /var/qmail/bin/sendmail
> should also be able to do the task :)

Thanks so much for all the help.

My lists now appear to be passing mail.

My shunt directory is still full of test messages, but I'm less concerned
with that.  Can I delete these files manually?

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                             http://cuddlepuddle.org/~adam/resume.html
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  -- Arthur C. Clarke




From kaio123 at softhome.net  Tue Feb 10 00:14:59 2004
From: kaio123 at softhome.net (kaio123 at softhome.net)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:14:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list backup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091504560.2558-100000@localhost.localdomain> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091504560.2558-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <courier.40281474.0000282C@softhome.net>

Hello folks,
I am a newbie and a dumbo when it comes to the mailman. I have a problem 
that i dont know how to fix.
I have a mailing list on one of the servers and would like to move my domain 
to another provider. I would like to get all the emails in my mailing list 
so that i can send them mails and also store them in my personal outlook 
adress book. Is there a way for me to extract this mailing list emails from 
the server. Your help would save me a lot of hrs and angry mails from my 
mailing list folks. 

 -kaio 

 

Adam Wozniak writes: 

> On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Richard Barrett wrote:
>> Use the default SMTPDirect for _any_ MTA, including sendmail. Regarding 
>> the Sendmail module the following is a quote from $prefix/Defaults.py, 
>> so it is best not to use it:
> 
> Ok, using SMTPDirect.  Is this ok too: 
> 
> SENDMAIL_CMD = '/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject' 
> 
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From remko at elvandar.org  Tue Feb 10 00:31:41 2004
From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:31:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extract or dump of subscribers from mailman?
In-Reply-To: <20040209155641.AB02144@mail.elvandar.org>
Message-ID: <20040209233151.292842B4D82@mail.evilcoder.org>

and if you are unable to access it
i have a backup of the mailinglist so you can fetch them from my host, or
ask them from me
note that the primary mailman list is more complete, official  and
better!!!!!


Cheers

--

Kind regards,

Remko Lodder
Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
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hackerscene

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[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens Brad Knowles
Verzonden: maandag 9 februari 2004 16:52
Aan: maillists at conactive.com; barry at python.org
CC: mailman-users at python.org
Onderwerp: Re: [Mailman-Users] Extract or dump of subscribers from
mailman?


At 3:31 PM +0100 2004/02/09, Kai Schaetzl wrote:

>>  Searchable Archives:
>>    http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>  Unfortunately, the link to the maillists on www.lists.org doesn't point
to
>  that archive. Wouldn't it be much better to change that link to point to
a
>  searchable archive instead of having users subscribe to the list because
>  they can't search for an answer?

	Yeah, we should ask Barry to get that part of the page updated.

	Sorry, I thought that link was already there.

>  Hm, looking at
>  http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>  I see that this archive is somewhat slow, it doesn't contain any messages
>  newer than Feb 06 and a search produces an htdig error.

	I can confirm that there don't seem to be any messages there
newer than 6 Feb at the moment, but I don't get an htdig error when I
search.


	An alternative solution is to use Google, and add one of the
following tags to what you're searching for:

		inurl:www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
		inurl:mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/

	That way, you can search just about any archive of any public
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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Feb 10 00:32:44 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:32:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091514170.2259-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091514170.2259-100000@localhost.localdomain>
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On Feb 9, 2004, at 3:15 PM, Adam Wozniak wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Remko Lodder wrote:
>> /var/qmail/bin/sendmail
>> should also be able to do the task :)
>
> Thanks so much for all the help.
>
> My lists now appear to be passing mail.
>
> My shunt directory is still full of test messages, but I'm less 
> concerned
> with that.  Can I delete these files manually?
>

Or you can run ~mailman/bin/unshunt, which will requeue things. If they 
hit shunt a second time, they're probably dead (most of my shunt files 
are spam....) and you can always delete that stuff. It's sometimes a 
good idea to put in a cron job to delete files in shunt older than some 
period of time, to save you having to remember to look and delete...





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 00:33:31 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:33:31 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091504560.2558-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091504560.2558-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <5F34E946-5B58-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 9 Feb 2004, at 23:05, Adam Wozniak wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Richard Barrett wrote:
>> Use the default SMTPDirect for _any_ MTA, including sendmail. 
>> Regarding
>> the Sendmail module the following is a quote from $prefix/Defaults.py,
>> so it is best not to use it:
>
> Ok, using SMTPDirect.  Is this ok too:
>

With SMTPDirect Mailman passes outgoing messages to the outgoing MTA 
using the SMTProtocol; it doesn't invoke programs to perform this task, 
it use a connection to an instance of the MTA, running as a daemon, to 
pass the message to that daemon. The SENDMAIL_CMD value is irrelevant 
when SMTPDirect is used for outgoing messages; it is only relevant when 
the Sendmail module option is used as it tells that module how to run 
an one of the MTA's programs  so that it can pass the message to it.

With SMTPDirect, also check under the heading "# Delivery defaults" in 
$prefix/Defaults.py in case you want/need to tweak any of MM's SMTP 
related config variables.

> SENDMAIL_CMD = '/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject'
>
> -- 
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>                              http://cuddlepuddle.org/~adam/resume.html
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> program."
>   -- Arthur C. Clarke
>
>
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From python.org at paulm.com  Tue Feb 10 01:14:26 2004
From: python.org at paulm.com (Paul Makepeace)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:14:26 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting domain in URLs
In-Reply-To: <3D516E8A-5B53-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <20040209221606.GA3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
	<AEEC3C4E-5B4E-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<20040209223936.GB3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
	<3D516E8A-5B53-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20040210001426.GC3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>

Je 2004-02-09 22:56:47 +0000, Richard Barrett skribis:
> On 9 Feb 2004, at 22:39, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> >
> >So let's say I have (in mm_cfg.py) DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'foo-domain.com'
> >and two mailing lists, foo at foo-domain.com and bar at bar-domain.com I 
> >would
> >like http://bar-domain.com/mailman/listinfo/bar to show URLs with bar-
> >domain.com rather than foo-domain.com
> >
> 
> In that case, per the FAQ entry 4.029 that I cited, you might want to 
> say in $prefix/mm_cfg.py:
> 
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'foo-domain.com'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'foo-domain.com'
> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> add_virtualhost('bar-domain.com', 'bar-domain.com')

Ah, OK - thanks Richard, this seems to work OK. It's a bit frustrating &
long-winded to have to add this for every list but hey.

There's reference to 'web_page_url' in the fix_url.py script and
outputted config (config_list -o). This sounds exactly what I'd like to
edit! Yet it isn't configurable directly. Is there some architectural
reason why not?

> and use fix_url to set the foo-domain.com lists to use foo-domain.com 

This script bills itself to "set the web_page_url and host_name
attributes of the list to the values found."

But web_page_url is not a configurable variable?! Insofar as I even
tried with config_list -i and it complained that web_page_url wasn't
restorable.

Thanks for your help,
Paul (eyes starting to droop & glaze over at this point :-)

-- 
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"What is a collonic irrigation? Samba!"
   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/



From python.org at paulm.com  Tue Feb 10 01:14:39 2004
From: python.org at paulm.com (Paul Makepeace)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:14:39 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config_list hosing config
Message-ID: <20040210001439.GD3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>

Outputting a config then slurping it back in seems to screw something
up,

# config_list -o /tmp/mmtest mmtest
# config_list -o /tmp/mmtest mmtest
# config_list -i /tmp/mmtest mmtest
# config_list -i /tmp/mmtest mmtest
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 353, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 348, in main
    do_input(listname, infile, checkonly, verbose)
  File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 244, in do_input
    guibyprop = getPropertyMap(mlist)
  File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 216, in getPropertyMap
    for element in gui.GetConfigInfo(mlist, category, subcat):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/General.py", line 53, in
GetConfigInfo
    optvals = [mlist.new_member_options & bitfields[o] for o in OPTIONS]
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for &: 'list' and 'int'
# grep new_member_options /tmp/mmtest 
new_member_options = 256
#

$ dpkg -s mailman | grep -i version
Version: 2.1.4-1
$

Any idea what is going on and how I can rescue the config?!

Thanks, Paul

-- 
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   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 02:02:28 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:02:28 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting domain in URLs
In-Reply-To: <20040210001426.GC3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
References: <20040209221606.GA3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
	<AEEC3C4E-5B4E-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<20040209223936.GB3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
	<3D516E8A-5B53-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<20040210001426.GC3268@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
Message-ID: <CBFF2D93-5B64-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 10 Feb 2004, at 00:14, Paul Makepeace wrote:

> Je 2004-02-09 22:56:47 +0000, Richard Barrett skribis:
>> On 9 Feb 2004, at 22:39, Paul Makepeace wrote:
>>>
>>> So let's say I have (in mm_cfg.py) DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 
>>> 'foo-domain.com'
>>> and two mailing lists, foo at foo-domain.com and bar at bar-domain.com I
>>> would
>>> like http://bar-domain.com/mailman/listinfo/bar to show URLs with 
>>> bar-
>>> domain.com rather than foo-domain.com
>>>
>>
>> In that case, per the FAQ entry 4.029 that I cited, you might want to
>> say in $prefix/mm_cfg.py:
>>
>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'foo-domain.com'
>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'foo-domain.com'
>> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>> add_virtualhost('bar-domain.com', 'bar-domain.com')
>
> Ah, OK - thanks Richard, this seems to work OK. It's a bit frustrating 
> &
> long-winded to have to add this for every list but hey.

Not every list, every host has to be configured with an 
add_virtualhost; and for most of us there is a many-one mapping of 
lists to hosts.

btw: did I mention:

1.  that all that all virtual hosts being serviced by a given MM 
installation share a common listname namespace; you cannot presently 
have list1 at foo-domain.com and list1 at bar-domain.com as separate lists 
with plain vanilla Mailman

2. You can create lists directly on a given virtual host once they are 
set up, without the need to use fix_url. See, and read carefully, the 
output from running $prefix/bin/new_list -h

>
> There's reference to 'web_page_url' in the fix_url.py script and
> outputted config (config_list -o). This sounds exactly what I'd like to
> edit! Yet it isn't configurable directly. Is there some architectural
> reason why not?
>
>> and use fix_url to set the foo-domain.com lists to use foo-domain.com
>
> This script bills itself to "set the web_page_url and host_name
> attributes of the list to the values found."
>
> But web_page_url is not a configurable variable?! Insofar as I even
> tried with config_list -i and it complained that web_page_url wasn't
> restorable.

It is not architectural but editing a list's web_page_url was removed 
from the list admin web GUI with the introduction of MM 2.1.x. I 
believe the reason was that list admins were prone to editing in wrong 
values on the GUI which when applied made the web interface for the 
list unavailable with the command line being the only way to then 
recover the situation. In a hosting environment this creates a support 
problem etc, etc: I believe that was why MM's owner Barry Warsaw made 
the change from the previous situation with MM 2.0.x.

I have never tried to use config_list to change the web_page_url list 
config variable. I am a little surprised it does not work but fix_url 
can be run from the shell if you have to do a bunch of lists; a simple 
shell script to iterate over a list of listnames and run fix_url for a 
given host against each is no big deal.

>
> Thanks for your help,
> Paul (eyes starting to droop & glaze over at this point :-)
>
> -- 
> Paul Makepeace ................................  
> http://paulm.com/ecademy
>
> "What is a collonic irrigation? Samba!"
>    -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
>




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Feb 10 03:24:10 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 09 Feb 2004 21:24:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
In-Reply-To: <20040209221832.GB21698@charite.de>
References: <20040209221832.GB21698@charite.de>
Message-ID: <1076379849.3167.54.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 17:18, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> Formerly we used 2.0.x, and we could use HTML in list descriptions.
> Now we have 2.1.4, and all HTML tags are displayed "literally", e.g. as
> 
> <LI>
> 
> Bug or feature?

You can still used html but be wary of embedding one of the mega tags
(used by mailman to generate html).  The formating of the listinfo pages
has changed, so you will have to adapt to get your old look back... but
it is possible.

Jon Carnes




From adam.steer at alia.org.au  Tue Feb 10 04:22:42 2004
From: adam.steer at alia.org.au (Adam Steer)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:22:42 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
Message-ID: <s028e941.011@alia.org.au>

..on a HTML note here - has anyone done any serious hacking of the
'look and feel' of Mailman?

I've spent a few days crafting up a new web interface for an MM 2.0.x
install here [one that gives up valid HTML even], but it requires
modification of files that look likely to get over-written every time an
upgrade is made [htmlformat.py, htmlformatter.py, config.py,
defaults.py, lots of stuff in /cgi/, everything inside 'templates'].

Maybe it's time to do some more PHP/Python research and jump on the
bandwagon for a templating system that lives outside of MM's main Python
bits. Any suggestions/pointers/experiences would be appreciated!

cheers
Adam.

>>> Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> 10/02/2004 1:24:10 pm >>>
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 17:18, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> Formerly we used 2.0.x, and we could use HTML in list descriptions.
> Now we have 2.1.4, and all HTML tags are displayed "literally", e.g.
as
> 
> <LI>
> 
> Bug or feature?

You can still used html but be wary of embedding one of the mega tags
(used by mailman to generate html).  The formating of the listinfo
pages
has changed, so you will have to adapt to get your old look back...
but
it is possible.

Jon Carnes


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From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Tue Feb 10 07:11:36 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:11:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
In-Reply-To: <1076379849.3167.54.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20040209221832.GB21698@charite.de>
	<1076379849.3167.54.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040210061136.GE21698@charite.de>

* Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>:

> You can still used html but be wary of embedding one of the mega tags
> (used by mailman to generate html).  The formating of the listinfo
> pages has changed, so you will have to adapt to get your old look
> back... but it is possible.

So, right now I insert "<LI>" and I get "&lt;LI&gt;" -- how DO I
insert HTML properly, in a way that it won't be rewritten?

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From aaron at housechurch.org  Tue Feb 10 07:57:33 2004
From: aaron at housechurch.org (Aaron Anderson)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:57:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail<->News
	=?iso-8859-1?q?=A0gateways__moderation_question?=
Message-ID: <E1AqRqV-0002Zs-00@turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

>From the Mail<->News?gateways settings:

"If the newsgroup is moderated, you can set this mailing list up to be 
the moderation address for the newsgroup. By selecting Moderated, an 
additional posting hold will be placed in the approval process. All 
messages posted to the mailing list will have to be approved before being 
sent on to the newsgroup, or to the mailing list membership. 

Note that if the message has an Approved header with the list's 
administrative password in it, this hold test will be bypassed, allowing 
privileged posters to send messages directly to the list and the 
newsgroup."

Question: Exactly where/how do you put this Approved header and password 
so that it will appear in these approved messages, causing them to be 
posted on a moderated newsgroup?

thank you,

      Aaron Anderson



From jp at warpix.org  Tue Feb 10 12:32:16 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:32:16 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding a user from command line
Message-ID: <20040210113216.A4905@warpix.org>

I'm currently unable to use the GUI, but need to add new users to a list.

How do I do that?


-- 
John





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Feb 10 12:54:22 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:54:22 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding a user from command line
In-Reply-To: <20040210113216.A4905@warpix.org>
References: <20040210113216.A4905@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <DDBC9BFC-5BBF-11D8-8778-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

$prefix/bin/add_members seems a good bet

On 10 Feb 2004, at 11:32, John Poltorak wrote:

> I'm currently unable to use the GUI, but need to add new users to a 
> list.
>
> How do I do that?
>
>
> -- 
> John




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Feb 10 15:02:42 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Feb 2004 09:02:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
In-Reply-To: <20040210061136.GE21698@charite.de>
References: <20040209221832.GB21698@charite.de>
	<1076379849.3167.54.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210061136.GE21698@charite.de>
Message-ID: <1076421761.3175.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 01:11, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> * Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>:
> 
> > You can still used html but be wary of embedding one of the mega tags
> > (used by mailman to generate html).  The formating of the listinfo
> > pages has changed, so you will have to adapt to get your old look
> > back... but it is possible.
> 
> So, right now I insert "<LI>" and I get "&lt;LI&gt;" -- how DO I
> insert HTML properly, in a way that it won't be rewritten?

Okay, I just did it to a test list and it worked fine.

Here is the top part of the coding for the listinfo page (which includes
the four lines that I added. The <dl> and <li>'s are near the bottom of
this segment:

<!-- $Revision: 2.4 $ -->
<HTML>
  <HEAD>
    <TITLE><MM-List-Name> Info Page</TITLE>
  
  </HEAD>
  <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">

    <P>
      <TABLE COLS="1" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="4" CELLPADDING="5">
	<TR>
	  <TD COLSPAN="2" WIDTH="100%" BGCOLOR="#99CCFF" ALIGN="CENTER">
	    <B><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE="+1"><MM-List-Name> --
	<MM-List-Description></FONT></B>
	  </TD>
	</TR>
	<tr>
	    <td colspan="2">
	      <p>&nbsp;
	    </td>
	  </tr>
	  <tr>
	    <TD COLSPAN="1" WIDTH="100%" BGCOLOR="#FFF0D0">
	      <B><FONT COLOR="#000000">About <MM-List-Name></FONT></B>
	    </TD>
            <TD COLSPAN="1" WIDTH="100%" BGCOLOR="#FFF0D0">
              <MM-lang-form-start><MM-displang-box> <MM-list-langs>
              <MM-form-end>
    <MM-Subscribe-Form-Start>
            </TD>
	  </TR>
	    <tr>
	      <td colspan="2">
		<P><MM-List-Info></P>
  <dl>Some points to note:
  <li> This is point 1</li>
  <li> This is the second point</li>
  </dl>
	  <p> To see the collection of prior postings to the list,
	      visit the <MM-Archive><MM-List-Name>
		  Archives</MM-Archive>.
	      <MM-Restricted-List-Message>
	  </p>
	</TD>
      </TR>
      <TR>
	<TD COLSPAN="2" WIDTH="100%" BGCOLOR="#FFF0D0">
	  <B><FONT COLOR="#000000">Using <MM-List-Name></FONT></B>
	</TD>
      </TR>

======

There simply are no (mailman) problems to adding in your own HTML to the
Listinfo pages.

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Feb 10 15:35:58 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Feb 2004 09:35:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail<->News  =?ISO-8859-1?Q?gateways?= 
	moderation question
In-Reply-To: <E1AqRqV-0002Zs-00@turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
References: <E1AqRqV-0002Zs-00@turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1076423169.3175.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>

There are a lot of Unix based MTA that will allow you to do this.  There
are also some well written ones for the world of Windows; Eudora comes
to mind, as does Pegasus.

If your looking for aid/relief from some big Monopoly that writes OS's
and email clients, then don't hold your breath (though theoretically you
could write a VBA extension that allows Outlook to do this)

http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/29/MailUserAgents.pdf

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 01:57, Aaron Anderson wrote:
> >From the Mail<->News gateways settings:
> 
> "If the newsgroup is moderated, you can set this mailing list up to be 
> the moderation address for the newsgroup. By selecting Moderated, an 
> additional posting hold will be placed in the approval process. All 
> messages posted to the mailing list will have to be approved before being 
> sent on to the newsgroup, or to the mailing list membership. 
> 
> Note that if the message has an Approved header with the list's 
> administrative password in it, this hold test will be bypassed, allowing 
> privileged posters to send messages directly to the list and the 
> newsgroup."
> 
> Question: Exactly where/how do you put this Approved header and password 
> so that it will appear in these approved messages, causing them to be 
> posted on a moderated newsgroup?
> 
> thank you,
> 
>       Aaron Anderson
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From danovaro at publinet.it  Tue Feb 10 15:26:57 2004
From: danovaro at publinet.it (Stefano Danovaro)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:26:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with upgrade to 2.1.4
In-Reply-To: <40213242.40407@skybuilders.com>
References: <40213242.40407@skybuilders.com>
Message-ID: <1076423217.4028ea31d1962@webmail.publinet.it>

hi,

I have just served an upgrde as the version 2.1.b1 to the version 2.1.4; on 6 

present lists in the server 3 of the more important they have this error in 

the page of administration of the list:


Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
   main()
 File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 198, in main
   show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata)
 File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 498, in show_results
   form.AddItem(membership_options(mlist, subcat, cgidata, doc, form))
 File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 870, in membership_options
   all = [_m.encode() for _m in mlist.getMembers()]
UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) 




I have eliminated the possible errors ASCII, I have found 3 users with names you
don't conform (i.e. citt?@.... can this be the problem with ASCII ??)  

the error that introduces now is that:



Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
   main()
 File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 198, in main
   show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata)
 File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 498, in show_results
   form.AddItem(membership_options(mlist, subcat, cgidata, doc, form))
 File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 870, in membership_options
   all = [_m.encode() for _m in mlist.getMembers()]
AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'encode' 


do you have an idea?

thanks,
Stefano
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From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Tue Feb 10 15:38:19 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:38:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
In-Reply-To: <1076421761.3175.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20040209221832.GB21698@charite.de>
	<1076379849.3167.54.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210061136.GE21698@charite.de>
	<1076421761.3175.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040210143819.GS2046@charite.de>

* Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>:
> On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 01:11, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:

> There simply are no (mailman) problems to adding in your own HTML to the
> Listinfo pages.

There are, and they are here.

I get:

    <FORM Method=POST
ACTION="http://mailman.charite.de/mailman/subscribe/rundmail">
            </TD>
	      </TR>
	          <tr>
		        <td colspan="2">
			    <P>&lt;H2&gt;Allgemeine Ank??ndigungen derCharite: Anleitung&lt;/H2&gt;
<br>Um eine Rundmail zu versenden, sollten Sie sich zuerst ??ber diefolgenden Punkte im Klaren sein:
<br>&lt;ol&gt;
<br>&lt;li&gt; Soll wirklich jede Benutzerin und jeder Benutzer in der ...


-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a)   Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de
Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin            Tel.  +49 (0)30-450 570-155
Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin    Fax.  +49 (0)30-450 570-916
Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze -             AIM.  ralfpostfix



From aaron at housechurch.org  Tue Feb 10 16:06:58 2004
From: aaron at housechurch.org (Aaron Anderson)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:06:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail<->News  gateway 	moderation question
Message-ID: <E1AqZTa-0007Am-00@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail<->News ??gateways 	moderation question
>
>
>There are a lot of Unix based MTA that will allow you to do this.  There
>are also some well written ones for the world of Windows; Eudora comes
>to mind, as does Pegasus.
>
>If your looking for aid/relief from some big Monopoly that writes OS's
>and email clients, then don't hold your breath (though theoretically you
>could write a VBA extension that allows Outlook to do this)
>
>http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/29/MailUserAgents.pdf
>
>Jon Carnes

Thanks for the reply, Joe. The instructions made it look very easy. I 
take it that Mailman cannot add these approval headers to posts going to 
the moderated usenet group. Is that so?

Thanks much.     Aaron



From fturpin at snuipp.fr  Tue Feb 10 18:25:17 2004
From: fturpin at snuipp.fr (fturpin at snuipp.fr)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:25:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scheduling post
Message-ID: <4029220D.21258.173E999@localhost>

Hello,


Is there a way with the latest version of Mailman to send all the post (with posfix) only at 
certain hours


Thanks



From ronald.hill at ugsplm.com  Tue Feb 10 18:56:41 2004
From: ronald.hill at ugsplm.com (Hill, Ronald)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:56:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with mailman-2.1.4 sending mail using
	sendmail
Message-ID: <A5A8F408B6E35D46B5C693354DA61A0D07F00BA0@cypntx3.net.plm.eds.com>

Hi All,

I am trying to get mailman 2.1.4 to run on HPUX with sendmail
and am running into problems. I have the web interface working
correctly but I am unable to post mail to a test group 

I created a test group using the new list command. I did
receive an e-mail confirming the creation of the list. Next
I subscribed to the list (using the web interface) This
worked correctly ( I received an e-mail to that effect)
I confirmed (again another e-mail) and was listed
as a member of the list. I next sent a e-mail
and it bounced ( communication failure)

checking the mail.log file I found this entry

from /var/adm/syslog/mail.log

Feb 10 07:09:28 cyhpr365 sendmail[24811]: HAA24811: from=<me at ugsplm.com>,
 size=778, class=0, pri=30778, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<sssF at cypntx3.net.plm.eds.com>,
 proto=ESMTP, relay=usslmgate001.ugsplm.com [134.244.32.20] (may be forged)
Feb 10 07:09:28 cyhpr365 sendmail[24812]: HAA24811: alias
<me at support.plms-eds.com> =>
 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test"
Feb 10 07:09:28 cyhpr365 Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error.
Mailman expected the mail
Feb 10 07:09:28 cyhpr365 sendmail[24812]: HAA24811:
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test",
 delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 2

Hmn! I checked the FAQ and found an entry under Document contains
no data. It talks about the GID problems and a way to fix them.
Well, I checked the mail.log file (see above) and it is not telling
me what GID it is expecting 

I next checked to see if the daemons are running.

$ ps -ef|grep mailman
 mailman 24490 24488  0 06:59:17 ?
 mailman 24496 24488  0 06:59:18 ?
 mailman 24491 24488  0 06:59:17 ?
 mailman 24495 24488  0 06:59:18 ?
 mailman 24493 24488  0 06:59:18 ?
 mailman 24488     1  0 06:59:17 ?
 mailman 24489 24488  0 06:59:17 ?
 mailman 24492 24488  0 06:59:17 ?
 mailman  6487  6155  0 06:41:28
 mailman 25134  6487  3 07:54:54
 mailman 24494 24488  0 06:59:18 ?
$


So then I did this (as mailman)

$ whoami
mailman
$ /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test

I got a blank screen (no errors)

Then I ran the exact command as root (to see what happens)

# whoami
root
# /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test
Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but
the system's mail server executed the mail script as
group "sys".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,


Ok, now I see the error but this complete message
is not in the mail.log file.

I have since recompiled mailman with GID sys which is
GID =3 and as mail GID =6 But I still receive the same errors
listed in the mail.log file.

Can someone tell me how to figure out what mailman wants?
(or get the mail.log file to capture the whole error message)

Thanks

Ron Hill


[config info]

system type

# uname -a
HP-UX cyhpr365 B.11.11 U 9000/785 2003781508 unlimited-user license
#

sendmail version

$ echo \$Z | /usr/sbin/sendmail -bt -d0
Version 8.9.3 (PHNE_26305+JAGae58098)
 Compiled with: LDAPMAP MAP_REGEX LOG MATCHGECOS MIME7TO8 MIME8TO7
                NAMED_BIND NDBM NETINET NETUNIX NEWDB NIS NISPLUS QUEUE
SCANF
                SMTP USERDB XDEBUG
[snipped]

ADDRESS TEST MODE (ruleset 3 NOT automatically invoked)
Enter <ruleset> <address>
> 8.9.3
> $
$



configuration of mailman 2.1.4

$
./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=www --prefix=/usr/local/m
ailman

[snipped]

configure:2623: checking for --with-username
configure:2637: result: mailman
configure:2642: checking for user name "mailman"
configure:2690: result: okay
configure:2695: checking for --with-groupname
configure:2709: result: mailman
configure:2715: checking for group name "mailman"
configure:2763: result: okay
configure:2767: checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman
configure:2822: result: okay
configure:2828: checking for mail wrapper group; i.e. --with-mail-gid
configure:2892: result: mailman
configure:2896: checking for CGI wrapper group; i.e. --with-cgi-gid
configure:2961: result: www

----------
mailman user information from /etc/passwd

mailman:x:250:20:Mailman,,,:/home/mailman:/usr/bin/ksh
----------------
group information from /etc/group

mailman::105:mailman,www
---------------------------



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Feb 10 19:08:48 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Feb 2004 13:08:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
In-Reply-To: <20040210143819.GS2046@charite.de>
References: <20040209221832.GB21698@charite.de>
	<1076379849.3167.54.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210061136.GE21698@charite.de>
	<1076421761.3175.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210143819.GS2046@charite.de>
Message-ID: <1076436527.3175.72.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 09:38, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> * Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>:
> > On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 01:11, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> 
> > There simply are no (mailman) problems to adding in your own HTML to the
> > Listinfo pages.
> 
> There are, and they are here.
> 
> I get:
> 
>     <FORM Method=POST
> ACTION="http://mailman.charite.de/mailman/subscribe/rundmail">
>             </TD>
> 	      </TR>
> 	          <tr>
> 		        <td colspan="2">
> 			    <P>&lt;H2&gt;Allgemeine Ank??ndigungen derCharite: Anleitung&lt;/H2&gt;
> <br>Um eine Rundmail zu versenden, sollten Sie sich zuerst ??ber diefolgenden Punkte im Klaren sein:
> <br>&lt;ol&gt;
> <br>&lt;li&gt; Soll wirklich jede Benutzerin und jeder Benutzer in der ...
> 

I note that you don't post your listinfo code.  Without that I can't
help you.

Jon




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Feb 10 20:09:09 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Feb 2004 14:09:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scheduling post
In-Reply-To: <4029220D.21258.173E999@localhost>
References: <4029220D.21258.173E999@localhost>
Message-ID: <1076440149.3193.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 12:25, fturpin at snuipp.fr wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> Is there a way with the latest version of Mailman to send all the post (with posfix) only at 
> certain hours
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
Yes.  You need to read up cron:
  man crontab
  man 5 crontab

you can use a cron job to turn your mailmanctl service on and then
another to turn it off.  While mailmanctl is not running the mail will
simply queue up in the ~mailman/qfiles/in/.. directory.  When you turn
mailmanctl on, it will send out all the queued up messages.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Feb 10 23:32:24 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:32:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
In-Reply-To: <E1AqbHJ-0008PX-RT@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AqbHJ-0008PX-RT@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040210163026.032e0458@127.0.0.1>

Jon Carnes said:
> > There simply are no (mailman) problems to adding in your own HTML to the
> > Listinfo pages.


Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
>There are, and they are here.
>
>I get:

      Do you have more than one body tag in the source?  You don't need to 
out one in, as there is one to start with.  Can you post the source rather 
than the results

<>< Paul





From davidboothe at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 01:16:44 2004
From: davidboothe at yahoo.com (David A Boothe)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:16:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM Variables
Message-ID: <20040211001644.17105.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com>

I am setting up custom pages for many clients' MM pages.  I want to be able to use some of the MM variables within these pages.  I think there may be many of these variables that would be of use to me but I have no idea what all of them are available.  Can someone please either provide a list of all MM variables or a site that lists them all?
 
 
Thanks,
DB


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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Feb 11 02:09:22 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:09:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM Variables
In-Reply-To: <20040211001644.17105.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040211001644.17105.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040211010922.GE25704@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

David A Boothe wrote:
> I am setting up custom pages for many clients' MM pages.  I want to
> be able to use some of the MM variables within these pages.  I think
> there may be many of these variables that would be of use to me but
> I have no idea what all of them are available.  Can someone please
> either provide a list of all MM variables or a site that lists them
> all?

I think it's be covered here before, but I haven't searched the
archives.  A quick grep gets you the answer though.  One of the tags
used in the default listinfo.html template is <MM-List-Name>.  So I
grepped for it (to refresh my memory and be able to explain the steps
I took to find this).

    $ grep -rli 'MM-List-Name' ~mailman/Mailman
    /var/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py
    /var/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.pyc

Looking at HTMLFormatter.py, you'll see a nice list of replacements in
the oddly named 'GetStandardReplacements' method.  Here's that list,
in case it helps future seekers (though it might have changed by then,
this is with MM 2.1.4):

    mm-archive
    mm-email-user
    mm-form-end
    mm-host
    mm-list-description
    mm-list-info
    mm-list-langs
    mm-list-name
    mm-list-subscription-msg
    mm-mailman-footer
    mm-num-digesters
    mm-num-members
    mm-num-reg-users
    mm-owner
    mm-posting-addr
    mm-reminder
    mm-request-addr
    mm-restricted-list-message

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don't
try.
    -- Beverly Sills

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb 11 05:32:39 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Feb 2004 23:32:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
In-Reply-To: <1076436527.3175.72.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20040209221832.GB21698@charite.de>
	<1076379849.3167.54.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210061136.GE21698@charite.de>
	<1076421761.3175.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210143819.GS2046@charite.de>
	<1076436527.3175.72.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1076473959.4810.31.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Ralf loaned me his listinfo code and it was plain to see that during an
upgrade the process parsed the listinfo html and modified the
non-standard html statements.  It's made the following
modifications (which are easily reversed):
  "<" == "&lt;"
  ">" == "&gt;"

It turned them into logical "greater than" and logical "less than".
Thus the html tags are missing and are now text.  

I cut/pasted the code into an editor and did two replace all's then
cut/pasted the code back into the listinfo edit page. Everything worked
fine after that.

This is exactly what I was saying last week (but apparently not very
well....) HTML code works fine in Mailman version 2.1.4. It's the
upgrade process that converts the "<" and ">" characters to a text
representation.  You have to edit the old code to move it back to its
original status as HTML tags.

Example:  <H2>  was converted to   &lt;H2&gt;

Hope that is helpful!

Jon Carnes




From chris at dibona.com  Wed Feb 11 07:48:01 2004
From: chris at dibona.com (Chris DiBona)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:48:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing moderator passwords programmatically.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1076481604.15197.mailman-users@python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402102245020.23337-100000@pvf.dibona.com>


Hello All,

I am "Using Mailman version: 2.1.1" and I have a need to programmatically
add moderator passwords to mailing lists that we're importing. We've been
very happy with the functionality presented by the config_list interface
and used it to set up the 570 lists that we are maintaining. I have had no
luck finding a way to change_pw for moderators in a similar fashion, is
this supported through an undocumented function in change_pw? Will I have 
to script against the web interface to do this for now?

Thanks.

 Chris DiBona




From chris at dibona.com  Wed Feb 11 09:48:32 2004
From: chris at dibona.com (Chris DiBona)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 00:48:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Changing moderator passwords programmatically.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402102245020.23337-100000@pvf.dibona.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402110046350.24700-100000@pvf.dibona.com>


Hi chris,

I couldn't find a way to do this, so I copied change_pw to change_mod_pw 
and changed the following line: 

            mlist.Bpassword = shapassword

to

            mlist.mod_password = shapassword

And that worked like a charm.

But seriously, this is what I ended up doing. I can only imagine that 
someone else is already adding this is change_pw, so I won't bother 
submitting a patch for this, but this worked well for those who have the 
same need I do.

 Chris

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Chris DiBona wrote:

> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I am "Using Mailman version: 2.1.1" and I have a need to programmatically
> add moderator passwords to mailing lists that we're importing. We've been
> very happy with the functionality presented by the config_list interface
> and used it to set up the 570 lists that we are maintaining. I have had no
> luck finding a way to change_pw for moderators in a similar fashion, is
> this supported through an undocumented function in change_pw? Will I have 
> to script against the web interface to do this for now?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>  Chris DiBona
> 
> 

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From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Feb 11 08:59:48 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:59:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
In-Reply-To: <1076472779.4810.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20040209221832.GB21698@charite.de>
	<1076379849.3167.54.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210061136.GE21698@charite.de>
	<1076421761.3175.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210143819.GS2046@charite.de>
	<1076436527.3175.72.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210204128.GC27092@charite.de>
	<1076472779.4810.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040211075948.GB10618@charite.de>

* Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>:

> I explained this exact problem/resolution to someone else last week. I
> looks like during an upgrade, the upgrade parses the listinfo html and
> modifies the non-standard html statements.  It's made the following
> modifications (which are easily reversed):
>   "<" == "&lt;"
>   ">" == "&gt;"

Nope. Even If I manually enter HTML tags into a new list (which has
NOT been converted) I get the &lt; &gt; instead of < >.

Find attached a screenshot of the admin page (to see the tags I
entered) and the resulting listinfo page of "demo2", a new list.

-- 
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From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Feb 11 10:04:54 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:04:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
In-Reply-To: <20040211075948.GB10618@charite.de>
References: <20040209221832.GB21698@charite.de>
	<1076379849.3167.54.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210061136.GE21698@charite.de>
	<1076421761.3175.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210143819.GS2046@charite.de>
	<1076436527.3175.72.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210204128.GC27092@charite.de>
	<1076472779.4810.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040211075948.GB10618@charite.de>
Message-ID: <20040211090454.GP10618@charite.de>

* Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de>:

> Find attached a screenshot of the admin page (to see the tags I
> entered) and the resulting listinfo page of "demo2", a new list.

I had to remove the screenshot due to size limitations
Find it here:
http://www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb/tdemo2.png

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From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Feb 11 10:11:27 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:11:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040210163026.032e0458@127.0.0.1>
References: <E1AqbHJ-0008PX-RT@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040210163026.032e0458@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <20040211091127.GZ10618@charite.de>

>      Do you have more than one body tag in the source?

No.

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From rpjday at mindspring.com  Wed Feb 11 13:11:58 2004
From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:11:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can i hide an internal host that hosts mailing
	lists?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402110703340.14781@localhost.localdomain>


  (i'm new to mailman, and still working my way through the FAQ and docs,
so if there's a simple URL that addresses this, that would be just ducky.)

  can i set up one or more mailing lists on a concealed, internal host so
that no one needs to know the actual name of that host?

  i have an internal host, internal.yoyodyne.com, that is not and should
not be visible outside of yoyodyne.com.  it's a fast, reliable machine,
the perfect host for a mailing list or two.

  i'd like these mailing lists to be visible to both internal users and
external users, but not by that name.  instead, i'd like to establish an
alias -- lists.yoyodyne.com -- that everyone can use.  that's the name
that people should be able to use to browse to the mailman web interface,
subscribe, unsubscribe, get admin messages from and so on.  but so far,
it's proving to be a bit tricky.

  even after the company admin set up DNS and virtual hosting to create
that alias, mailman still insists on using the actual internal name in
some situations.  if you browse to lists.yoyodyne.com, the top of the
page says "internal".

  if you subscribe to a list, the confirmation message asks you to reply
to "internal.yoyodyne.com".  

  is it possible to *completely* conceal the internal name of a mailing
list host?  during configuration, i did my best to avoid using the 
internal name and used only the "lists" name, but i'm assuming that
mailman is invoking "hostname" or something to that effect somewhere
along the way.

  can this be done?  thanks.

rday



From jamie at silverdream.org  Wed Feb 11 14:01:59 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:01:59 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can i hide an internal host that hosts mailing
	lists?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402110703340.14781@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402110703340.14781@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1076504519.1158.114.camel@localhost>

Hey Robert,

On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 12:11, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>   (i'm new to mailman, and still working my way through the FAQ and docs,
> so if there's a simple URL that addresses this, that would be just ducky.)

Read through Defaults.py, under Debian it resides at
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py but if you are using another
distribution YMMV. It's very liberally commented, so you shouldn't have
any trouble with it. It says it in their, but I'll repeat it anyway,
don't make changes to Defaults.py, because it'll be overwritten whenever
you upgrade Mailman to a new version, instead make the changes in your
mm_cfg.py file (on Debian that's in /etc/mailman).

>   if you subscribe to a list, the confirmation message asks you to reply
> to "internal.yoyodyne.com".  
> 
>   is it possible to *completely* conceal the internal name of a mailing
> list host?  during configuration, i did my best to avoid using the 
> internal name and used only the "lists" name, but i'm assuming that
> mailman is invoking "hostname" or something to that effect somewhere
> along the way.

The DEFAULT_URL, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST all control the
hostname which Mailman uses for its web interface, and on the emails
that it sends.

DEFAULT_URL       = 'http://lists.yoyodyne.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.yoyodyne.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.yoyodyne.com'

From Defaults.py:

"Mailman needs to know about (at least) two fully-qualified domain names
(fqdn); 1) the hostname used in your urls, and 2) the hostname used in
email addresses for your domain.  For example, if people visit your
Mailman system with "http://www.dom.ain/mailman" then your url fqdn is
"www.dom.ain", and if people send mail to your system via
"yourlist at dom.ain" then your email fqdn is "dom.ain".  DEFAULT_URL_HOST
controls the former, and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST controls the latter. 
Mailman also needs to know how to map from one to the other (this is
especially important if you're running with virtual domains).  You use
"add_virtualhost(urlfqdn, emailfqdn)" to add new mappings."

HTH

-j

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb 11 16:16:27 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Feb 2004 10:16:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
In-Reply-To: <20040211075948.GB10618@charite.de>
References: <20040209221832.GB21698@charite.de>
	<1076379849.3167.54.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210061136.GE21698@charite.de>
	<1076421761.3175.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210143819.GS2046@charite.de>
	<1076436527.3175.72.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210204128.GC27092@charite.de>
	<1076472779.4810.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040211075948.GB10618@charite.de>
Message-ID: <1076512587.3143.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 02:59, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> * Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>:
> 
> > I explained this exact problem/resolution to someone else last week. I
> > looks like during an upgrade, the upgrade parses the listinfo html and
> > modifies the non-standard html statements.  It's made the following
> > modifications (which are easily reversed):
> >   "<" == "&lt;"
> >   ">" == "&gt;"
> 
> Nope. Even If I manually enter HTML tags into a new list (which has
> NOT been converted) I get the &lt; &gt; instead of < >.

Yes. You chopped the context off, but we were talking about the
meta-code used in programing the Listinfo web page.

HTML tags are no longer allowed in the List Description field of the web
admin interface.  But that is a story for another day.

Hmmm... that really is a bug.  The description field should either tell
you that only text can be entered here, or the Mailman utility
~mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py needs to be re-written to leave the
mm-list-info HTML tags alone.

The fix/workaround for now is to edit the listinfo page:
  Mailman Web-admin for the list
   Browse to: Edit the public HTML pages
    Browse to: General list information page
      - now find the meta-tag: <MM-List-Info>
      - delete this meta-tag and replace it directly with 
        your HTML text for list description
      - click on "Submit Changes"

That will put the HTML-ized list description directly into the web-based
Listinfo page for your list.

Since you have removed the meta-tag <MM-List-Info> the web-based
Listinfo information will now be independent of whatever text you put
into the detailed list description on the General page of the web-admin.

Hope that is more helpful!

Jon Carnes




From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Feb 11 16:17:44 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:17:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
In-Reply-To: <1076512587.3143.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20040209221832.GB21698@charite.de>
	<1076379849.3167.54.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210061136.GE21698@charite.de>
	<1076421761.3175.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210143819.GS2046@charite.de>
	<1076436527.3175.72.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040210204128.GC27092@charite.de>
	<1076472779.4810.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040211075948.GB10618@charite.de>
	<1076512587.3143.47.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040211151744.GD18646@charite.de>

* Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>:

> Yes. You chopped the context off, but we were talking about the
> meta-code used in programing the Listinfo web page.
> 
> HTML tags are no longer allowed in the List Description field of the web
> admin interface.  But that is a story for another day.

Ah. That's OK, and I understand the security implications. But from
the docs Igot the impression it was STILL possible.

> Hmmm... that really is a bug.  The description field should either tell
> you that only text can be entered here, or the Mailman utility
> ~mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py needs to be re-written to leave the
> mm-list-info HTML tags alone.

:)

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From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Wed Feb 11 13:26:57 2004
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:26:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list too big?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0402110718290.24988-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>

We have a tiny sun ultra 10 handling 100-200 lists with general success.
It's running an older version of MM (2.0.13) as I haven't gotten around
to upgrading and don't see many new features we'd want.  Most of our lists
have 3-400 users and work fine. I just recently added one with over 11,000
addresses. Coincidentally, or not, the machine periodically hangs when this
list tries to send out. This is despite having added some failsafes in
sendmail eg load average refuse/delay queuing, connect and bad rcpt
throttling etc.

One thing I've see in the qrunner log is:
  Could not acquire qrunner lock

Suggestions? Has anyone had any experience with really large lists on
really small machines?



 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb 11 16:24:47 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Feb 2004 10:24:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can i hide an internal host that hosts
	mailing	lists?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402110703340.14781@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402110703340.14781@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1076513086.3143.51.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 07:11, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>   (i'm new to mailman, and still working my way through the FAQ and docs,
> so if there's a simple URL that addresses this, that would be just ducky.)
> 
>   can i set up one or more mailing lists on a concealed, internal host so
> that no one needs to know the actual name of that host?
> 
>   i have an internal host, internal.yoyodyne.com, that is not and should
> not be visible outside of yoyodyne.com.  it's a fast, reliable machine,
> the perfect host for a mailing list or two.
> 
>   i'd like these mailing lists to be visible to both internal users and
> external users, but not by that name.  instead, i'd like to establish an
> alias -- lists.yoyodyne.com -- that everyone can use.  that's the name
> that people should be able to use to browse to the mailman web interface,
> subscribe, unsubscribe, get admin messages from and so on.  but so far,
> it's proving to be a bit tricky.
> 
>   even after the company admin set up DNS and virtual hosting to create
> that alias, mailman still insists on using the actual internal name in
> some situations.  if you browse to lists.yoyodyne.com, the top of the
> page says "internal".
> 
>   if you subscribe to a list, the confirmation message asks you to reply
> to "internal.yoyodyne.com".  
> 
>   is it possible to *completely* conceal the internal name of a mailing
> list host?  during configuration, i did my best to avoid using the 
> internal name and used only the "lists" name, but i'm assuming that
> mailman is invoking "hostname" or something to that effect somewhere
> along the way.
> 
>   can this be done?  thanks.
> 
> rday

Do you have the Virtual hosting setup in Mailman? (this is a version
2.1.x of Mailman, right?).  If so, what happens if you create a new list
using this virtual host information?  Is it using the mailserver info as
setup in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py?

Examples can be found in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py

Good luck - Jon Carnes




From sethdietz at highstream.net  Wed Feb 11 17:14:23 2004
From: sethdietz at highstream.net (Seth Dietz)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:14:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FTP or Remote Install Question
Message-ID: <20040211161457.DMQF4980.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@independ7av0yj>

Does anyone have suggestions for performing a remote install (FTP, Terminal
Services, or TelNet) of Mailman?  Also, I'm a little confused about the
default URL for accessing the admin page once everything is configured.  My
environment is Front Page Server Extensions 2002 running on an Apache web
server.  I'm not certain what the mail program is at the present time.

Thanks,

Seth

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb 11 17:13:10 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Feb 2004 11:13:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list too big?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0402110718290.24988-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0402110718290.24988-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>
Message-ID: <1076515990.3143.60.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 07:26, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote:
> We have a tiny sun ultra 10 handling 100-200 lists with general success.
> It's running an older version of MM (2.0.13) as I haven't gotten around
> to upgrading and don't see many new features we'd want.  Most of our lists
> have 3-400 users and work fine. I just recently added one with over 11,000
> addresses. Coincidentally, or not, the machine periodically hangs when this
> list tries to send out. This is despite having added some failsafes in
> sendmail eg load average refuse/delay queuing, connect and bad rcpt
> throttling etc.
> 
> One thing I've see in the qrunner log is:
>   Could not acquire qrunner lock
> 
> Suggestions? Has anyone had any experience with really large lists on
> really small machines?
> 
My guess - RAM.  Add more Ram - lots more RAM.

Mailman loads the entire list into memory when processing it. Your
larger list requires a larger hunk of memory. Look at the servers
utilization when trying to send to that list.  You should be able to
pinpoint the limiting factor.

What sort of disk subsystem do you have?  SCSI or IDE?  If your moving a
lot of traffic or have really large lists, SCSI is a must.

We've discussed large lists a lot in the archives.  If you can not add
more RAM then I suggest you break the larger list down into several
smaller list.

Good Luck -
Jon Carnes




From bob at ngi.it  Wed Feb 11 17:47:14 2004
From: bob at ngi.it (Bob Alexander)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:47:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blank password problem
Message-ID: <402A5C92.7090608@ngi.it>

Hello. First time install of mailman (2.1.4) on my Debian box with exim.

All seems to work fine but I have a couple of questions:

I have directed a small group of friends to the web page of my test list 
so that I can build some experience.

One of them just entered his email and then pressed ENTER.

Of course in this way he did not enter a PASSWORD (or his real name).

He did complete the registration confirmation process ok but when he 
tried to login into his profile he could not since he had no password ...

Can I fix this (like forcing a user to input a password in the web 
interface) ??

2) The emails come and go as wanted but I have no clue on how the 
archive works ... any help ?

Thank you very much for any help. Bob




From bob at ngi.it  Wed Feb 11 18:34:35 2004
From: bob at ngi.it (Bob Alexander)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:34:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blank password problem
In-Reply-To: <402A5C92.7090608@ngi.it>
References: <402A5C92.7090608@ngi.it>
Message-ID: <402A67AB.5@ngi.it>

Bob Alexander wrote:
> 2) The emails come and go as wanted but I have no clue on how the 
> archive works ... any help ?

This one is fixed ... just needed an Alias in httpd.conf (blush).

Sorry.

But question 1 is still open !! 8->>>

Bob





From jamie at silverdream.org  Wed Feb 11 18:40:47 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:40:47 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blank password problem
In-Reply-To: <402A5C92.7090608@ngi.it>
References: <402A5C92.7090608@ngi.it>
Message-ID: <1076521247.1158.135.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 16:47, Bob Alexander wrote:
> One of them just entered his email and then pressed ENTER.
> 
> Of course in this way he did not enter a PASSWORD (or his real name).
> 
> He did complete the registration confirmation process ok but when he 
> tried to login into his profile he could not since he had no password ...
> 
> Can I fix this (like forcing a user to input a password in the web 
> interface) ??

If they don't enter a password Mailman will create a random one for
them, and they can use the web interface to get their password emailed
to them.

-j

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From del at obsidian.com  Wed Feb 11 20:45:47 2004
From: del at obsidian.com (donnie)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:45:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compilation under Solaris 9 /Sparc problems....
References: <E1Aqxja-0006Hh-2h@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <402A866B.1070804@obsidian.com>

Hello,

Have anyone compiled/installed MailMan under Solaris 9/Ultra-5/GCC3.3???

Here is the result of an error msg during compilation::


Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "bin/update", line 47, in ?
   from Mailman import Utils
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ?
   import cgi
 File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ?
   import urllib
 File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
   import socket
 File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
   from _socket import *
ImportError: No module named _socket
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `update'
bash-2.05#


Any suggestions???

thanks
del





From craig.elkins at verizon.net  Wed Feb 11 20:32:44 2004
From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:32:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: list too big  - needs approval
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402110703340.14781@localhost.localdomain>
	<1076513086.3143.51.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <003801c3f0d5$d3000500$0affff0a@computer>

hi there,

i'm not too savvy with mailman so pardon my ignorance.  are there size
contraints on emails?  one of my list moderators says the following (the
following was the result of the email being to large (according to the
moderator):

Alright -
I am really confused now.  Pat just posted something to our list serve.
Someone even said they received it.  But, I got a message as list
administrator to approve the posting.  The email address she sent it from is
the right address and is listed and part of the group.  What's going on???
Susan







From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Wed Feb 11 20:57:10 2004
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:57:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list too big?
In-Reply-To: <1076515990.3143.60.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0402111451290.1879-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>

On 11 Feb 2004, Jon Carnes wrote:

> On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 07:26, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote:
> > We have a tiny sun ultra 10 handling 100-200 lists with general success.
> > It's running an older version of MM (2.0.13) as I haven't gotten around
> > to upgrading and don't see many new features we'd want.  Most of our lists
> > have 3-400 users and work fine. I just recently added one with over 11,000
> > addresses. Coincidentally, or not, the machine periodically hangs when this
> > list tries to send out. This is despite having added some failsafes in
> > sendmail eg load average refuse/delay queuing, connect and bad rcpt
> > throttling etc.
> >
> > One thing I've see in the qrunner log is:
> >   Could not acquire qrunner lock
> >
> > Suggestions? Has anyone had any experience with really large lists on
> > really small machines?
> >
> My guess - RAM.  Add more Ram - lots more RAM.
>
> Mailman loads the entire list into memory when processing it. Your
> larger list requires a larger hunk of memory. Look at the servers
> utilization when trying to send to that list.  You should be able to
> pinpoint the limiting factor.
>
> What sort of disk subsystem do you have?  SCSI or IDE?  If your moving a
> lot of traffic or have really large lists, SCSI is a must.
>
> We've discussed large lists a lot in the archives.  If you can not add
> more RAM then I suggest you break the larger list down into several
> smaller list.
>
> Good Luck -
> Jon Carnes
>

Thanks for your help. The memory on this beast is maxed out at a screaming
512Meg. It's an IDE structure but we just put in an emergency PR for a 15Krpm
scsi disk for /var/spool/mqueue and found a source for cheap scsi cards.
I've also made it a cache-only nameserver.

If these things don't resolve it, I'm gonna have to break it up into perhaps
26 sublists (A-Z) and make the main list an umbrella list.

Ultimately, we're gonna need a faster machine but layer 8 of the OSI model
(political) works slowly here ;)



 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Feb 11 21:56:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:56:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list too big?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0402111451290.1879-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0402111451290.1879-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002089bc5044ef9643@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:57 PM -0500 2004/02/11, Dave  Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote:

>  Thanks for your help. The memory on this beast is maxed out at a screaming
>  512Meg. It's an IDE structure but we just put in an emergency PR for a 15Krpm
>  scsi disk for /var/spool/mqueue and found a source for cheap scsi cards.
>  I've also made it a cache-only nameserver.

	You also want a separate SCSI disk system for the mailman queue 
directories.

	You should get a copy of Nick Christenson's book _sendmail 
Performance Tuning_, and apply the recommendations from there.  This 
includes things like enabling filesystem journaling or softupdates 
(depending on the OS), mounting the filesystem "noatime", using 
striping+mirroring for the underlying disk subsystem (might require 
external drive arrays), etc....

	See also 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.011.htp>, 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.006.htp>, 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.008.htp>.

	For MTA tuning tipes, see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.002.htp>, 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.003.htp>, 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.004.htp>, 
or 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.005.htp> 
depending on whether you're running Exim, sendmail, postfix, or qmail 
(respectively).

>  If these things don't resolve it, I'm gonna have to break it up into perhaps
>  26 sublists (A-Z) and make the main list an umbrella list.

	That would help on the mailman side, but not the MTA.

>  Ultimately, we're gonna need a faster machine but layer 8 of the OSI model
>  (political) works slowly here ;)

	Spend your money on getting more RAM (or a machine that can 
handle more RAM), the more the better -- I'd go for 2-4GB or more, if 
possible.  Spend your money on getting an improved disk subsystem 
(e.g., an external high-speed drive array, or maybe even a 
solid-state disk).  Spend your time getting the rest of the software 
configuration right to make the best of what you have.


	If you see Gene Day any time soon, please tell him "hi" from me.

-- 
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb 11 22:05:12 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Feb 2004 16:05:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FTP or Remote Install Question
In-Reply-To: <20040211161457.DMQF4980.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@independ7av0yj>
References: <20040211161457.DMQF4980.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@independ7av0yj>
Message-ID: <1076533512.3143.93.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 11:14, Seth Dietz wrote:
> Does anyone have suggestions for performing a remote install (FTP, Terminal
> Services, or TelNet) of Mailman?  Also, I'm a little confused about the
> default URL for accessing the admin page once everything is configured.  My
> environment is Front Page Server Extensions 2002 running on an Apache web
> server.  I'm not certain what the mail program is at the present time.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Seth

You should have no problems with a remote install.  If you can ssh or
vnc into the box it will be just like your sitting in front of it.

What OS are you installing on?
Most linux versions have an rpm or port that allows you to install
automagically - though installing from source is also fairly easy.

If you are installing on a Winders machine, then you'll probably have a
lot of problems, but it can be done.

Jon Carnes




From subs=mailman-users at rz.xs4all.nl  Wed Feb 11 22:09:28 2004
From: subs=mailman-users at rz.xs4all.nl (Rejo Zenger)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:09:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message in queue (shunt), not being delivered
Message-ID: <20040211210927.GC25485@rz.xs4all.nl>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hello,

Last couple of days I have this problem with one (only that one)
mailinglist I run. All incoming messages for that list get accepted with
any problem. They get queued in shunt and nothing happens.

I know that shunt is the place where messages go if there's something
wrong and one can unshunt them as soon as the problem is fixed. However,
I don't understand what's wrong. It's not in the messages, I have
empthied the queues, still the problem persists.

I get this in my "error" logfile:

  Feb 11 22:01:17 2004 (12591) SHUNTING: 1076533276.618227+a10ca6e7d21ba8d1985a30ef20ab24ae4902ea93
  Feb 11 22:02:08 2004 (12640) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name
  Feb 11 22:02:08 2004 (12640) Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
      self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
      keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
      more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
      sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 90, in process
      send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in send_digests
      send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 304, in send_i18n_digests
      msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 311, in process
      t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
    File "/usr/lib/python2.3/encodings/__init__.py", line 84, in search_function
      globals(), locals(), _import_tail)
  ValueError: Empty module name
  
  Feb 11 22:02:08 2004 (12640) SHUNTING: 1076533327.641017+54a64806a171a110528ec89fffd014315252aad0

Anyone with a bit more clue than me?

- -- 
Rejo Zenger <rejo at rz.xs4all.nl> - http://rejo.zenger.nl - PGP 0x75FC50F3
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb 11 22:22:11 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Feb 2004 16:22:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list too big? Some Sendmail Optimizations
In-Reply-To: <p06002089bc5044ef9643@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0402111451290.1879-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>
	<p06002089bc5044ef9643@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <1076534531.3143.103.camel@localhost.localdomain>

As far as Sendmail optimizations go, I've found the following
optimizations are sufficient for most folks (even my larger clients):

http://www.trilug.org/~jonc/mailserver/PartIII.html

The following are noteworthy settings inside the sendmail.cf file that
you may wish to change at one time or another:

O MaxMessageSize=1000000 - this is the maximum message size in bytes; by
default there is no limit.

O LogLevel=9 - this controls the amount of information that goes into
the log files.

O Timeout.iconnect=5m - Used to weed out slow hosts. Definitely change
this. I recommend trying 5 seconds (O Timeout.iconnect=5s). This value
is the timeout for the initial connection. If it fails the initial
connection then it moves that host to the rear of the queue and when its
turn comes again in the queue it will use the more generic
"Timeout.connect" value.

O Timeout.helo=5m - The time the server will wait for the HELO command
to complete (initial connection). The RFC's call for 5 minutes, but in
my opinion that is too long. Still, to be conservative I wouldn't make
it smaller than 2 minutes.

O Timeout.mail=10m - Timeout for the response to the MAIL command. The
RFC specifies a minimum of 5 minutes. I would use the minimum, though
some folks set this as low as 2 minutes.

O Timeout.datainit=5m - Timeout for the response to the DATA command.
The RFC specifies a minimum of 2 minutes. I would use the minimum.

O Timeout.ident=0 - You really want to check this and make *sure* that
it is zero, otherwise sendmail wastes that many seconds attempting to
use ident.

O DefaultUser=8:12 - the UserID:GroupID that Sendmail runs as

O QueueLA=8 - load average at which Sendmail simply queues up new
messages, this is a good tweaking parameter

O RefuseLA=12 - load average at which Sendmail starts to reject
connections, this is needs to be modified if you modify QueueLA

#0 MaxDaemonChildren=0 - maximum number of child processes allowed at
one time.

O DeadLetterDrop=/var/tmp/dead.letter - where to save bounces if all
else fails (and this does happen if the system runs out of space on the
/var volume, so you might want to point this to another volume.

#O MaxRecipientsPerMessage=100 - the maximum number of recipients in a
message. 

HtH - Jon Carnes





From sx at insecurity.org  Wed Feb 11 22:57:58 2004
From: sx at insecurity.org (WC Jones)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:57:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML ...
Message-ID: <20040211215758.BF85A137A6@mail.insecurity.org>


>Since you have removed the meta-tag <MM-List-Info> the web-based
>Listinfo information will now be independent of whatever text you put
>into the detailed list description on the General page of the web-admin.


What about general HTML non-sense or stupid tricks:

<body STYLE="background-image: 
url(http://insecurity.org/images/elohayelohim.jpg)">

???
-Sx-




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 12 02:46:01 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Feb 2004 20:46:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message in queue (shunt), not being delivered
In-Reply-To: <20040211210927.GC25485@rz.xs4all.nl>
References: <20040211210927.GC25485@rz.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1076550361.5730.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 16:09, Rejo Zenger wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Last couple of days I have this problem with one (only that one)
> mailinglist I run. All incoming messages for that list get accepted with
> any problem. They get queued in shunt and nothing happens.
> 
> I know that shunt is the place where messages go if there's something
> wrong and one can unshunt them as soon as the problem is fixed. However,
> I don't understand what's wrong. It's not in the messages, I have
> empthied the queues, still the problem persists.
> 
> I get this in my "error" logfile:
> 
>   Feb 11 22:01:17 2004 (12591) SHUNTING: 1076533276.618227+a10ca6e7d21ba8d1985a30ef20ab24ae4902ea93
>   Feb 11 22:02:08 2004 (12640) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name
>   Feb 11 22:02:08 2004 (12640) Traceback (most recent call last):
>     File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
>       self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>     File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
>       keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>     File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
>       more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>     File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
>       sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>     File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 90, in process
>       send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>     File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in send_digests
>       send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>     File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 304, in send_i18n_digests
>       msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>     File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 311, in process
>       t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
>     File "/usr/lib/python2.3/encodings/__init__.py", line 84, in search_function
>       globals(), locals(), _import_tail)
>   ValueError: Empty module name
>   
>   Feb 11 22:02:08 2004 (12640) SHUNTING: 1076533327.641017+54a64806a171a110528ec89fffd014315252aad0
> 
> Anyone with a bit more clue than me?
> 
> - -- 
> Rejo Zenger

If you are running version 2.1.4 then try this patch from Tokio
Kikuchi...

There is a patch for the Scrubber.py in Mailman version 2.1.4 that will
be of additional help to you for mail that is being shunted. Tokio
Kikuchi has a patch that handles many of the "real world" cases caused
by MS clients not following the RFC's.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=891491&group_id=103&atid=300103

The patch should be applied directly to the Scrubber.py file (in Mailman
version 2.1.4). Copy the patch file to:
   ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/

Then run:
  cd  ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers
  cp -a Scrubber.py bak.Scrubber.py
  patch -p0 <Scrubber.py.patch

That should backup the original file and then apply the patch directly
to Scrubber.py.

Hope that helps - Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 12 03:01:53 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Feb 2004 21:01:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML ...
In-Reply-To: <20040211215758.BF85A137A6@mail.insecurity.org>
References: <20040211215758.BF85A137A6@mail.insecurity.org>
Message-ID: <1076551313.5730.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 16:57, WC Jones wrote:
> >Since you have removed the meta-tag <MM-List-Info> the web-based
> >Listinfo information will now be independent of whatever text you put
> >into the detailed list description on the General page of the web-admin.
> 
> 
> What about general HTML non-sense or stupid tricks:
> 
> <body STYLE="background-image: 
> url(http://insecurity.org/images/elohayelohim.jpg)">
> 
> ???
> -Sx-
> 
As long as it's not "tub girl" enjoy yourself! (and you would add that
in the actual html for the listinfo page - not in the list description).

Jon

BTW: *don't* go looking for tub girl - you have been warned.




From casoftcol at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 03:17:16 2004
From: casoftcol at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Carlos=20andres=20Becerra?=)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:17:16 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with pipermail
Message-ID: <20040212021716.73977.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi.

Please help me.

I?m installed mailman in RPM. This RPM had pipermail. 
The list run good, by pipermail dont work.

My list is
http://xunilombia.ccasoft.org/mailman/listinfo by
pipermail dont show the file of the list. 

The pipermail url is 
http://ccasoft.org/pipermail/xunilombia_novatos/

By this page was show in blank.

What can be the problem?

thans for your help


Friendly,


Carlos Andres Becerra
WebMaster Xunilombia
http://xunilombia.ccasoft.org


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From del at obsidian.com  Thu Feb 12 04:46:27 2004
From: del at obsidian.com (donnie)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:46:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compilation under Solaris 9 /Sparc problems....
References: <20040211231729.7F7D3137A6@mail.insecurity.org>
Message-ID: <402AF713.8050303@obsidian.com>



WC Jones wrote:

>>Have anyone compiled/installed MailMan under Solaris 9/Ultra-5/GCC3.3???
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Yes, this past weekend on an Ultra 10 w/Sol9
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Here is the result of an error msg during compilation::
>>
>>
>>Traceback (most recent call last):
>>File "bin/update", line 47, in ?
>>  from Mailman import Utils
>>File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ?
>>  import cgi
>>File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ?
>>  import urllib
>>File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
>>  import socket
>>File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
>>  from _socket import *
>>ImportError: No module named _socket
>>*** Error code 1
>>make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `update'
>>bash-2.05#
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>
>Yes - are you using the pythin from sunfreeware.com ???
>

Yes, I am...it seemed the right thing to do...

>
>Try to just build python from scratch.
>  
>
hmm..is the python build at SunFreeware incorrect...??

>
>I was going to attach some ramblings from my recent successful build - but I 
>seem to have mis placed them - Ill try to recreate from memory.
>
>Grrrrr.  Sorry.
>
>Sx
>  
>
..any help/assistance is greatly appreciated...

del


From sx at insecurity.org  Thu Feb 12 00:17:29 2004
From: sx at insecurity.org (WC Jones)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:17:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compilation under Solaris 9 /Sparc problems....
Message-ID: <20040211231729.7F7D3137A6@mail.insecurity.org>


>Have anyone compiled/installed MailMan under Solaris 9/Ultra-5/GCC3.3???
>

Yes, this past weekend on an Ultra 10 w/Sol9



>Here is the result of an error msg during compilation::
>
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "bin/update", line 47, in ?
>   from Mailman import Utils
> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ?
>   import cgi
> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ?
>   import urllib
> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
>   import socket
> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
>   from _socket import *
>ImportError: No module named _socket
>*** Error code 1
>make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `update'
>bash-2.05#
>




Yes - are you using the pythin from sunfreeware.com ???

Try to just build python from scratch.


I was going to attach some ramblings from my recent successful build - but I 
seem to have mis placed them - Ill try to recreate from memory.

Grrrrr.  Sorry.

Sx




From sx at insecurity.org  Thu Feb 12 05:57:47 2004
From: sx at insecurity.org (WC Jones)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:57:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HINTS: Compilation under Solaris 9 /Sparc
Message-ID: <20040212045747.806D2137DE@mail.insecurity.org>


>>Yes - are you using the python from sunfreeware.com ???
>>
>
>Yes, I am...it seemed the right thing to do...


Dont use the one from the sunfreeware site -- I hate to say that because historically the site has great software (I use it a lot myself.)

But in this case it is a bad idea.  You can USE the GCC found there to build the following software.  Get python and compile and install it from source. 

First things first.  Is your /var/ld/ld.config files set straight?  Execute crle to find out (my current set-up is below)

bash-2.05$ crle

Configuration file [3]: /var/ld/ld.config  
  Default Library Path (ELF):   
/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib:/usr/local/ssl/lib:/usr/local/apache2/lib:/usr/sfw/lib:/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.3.3/lib:/usr/local/mysql/lib:/usr/local/qt/lib
  Trusted Directories (ELF):    /usr/lib/secure  (system default)

Command line:
  crle -c /var/ld/ld.config -l 
/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib:/usr/local/ssl/lib:/usr/local/apache2/lib:/usr/sfw/lib:/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.3.3/lib:/usr/local/mysql/lib:/usr/local/qt/lib

This will show you your current /var/ld/ld.config set-up; be VERY careful how you make adjustments or you will fry your system...


Also, you may want to set a few things in the /etc/profile (assuming you are using BASH) and log out and log back in to make them effective:

# Start of /etc/profile stuff

PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/opt/sdb/programs/bin:/usr/sfw/bin:/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/etc:/usr/etc:/usr/local/X11/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/openwin/bin:/us
r/local/etc:/usr/ucb
MANPATH=/usr/local/man:/usr/man:/usr/sfw/man:/usr/openwin/share/man:/usr/j2se/man/:/usr/local/jabber/man:/usr/local/pgsql/man

PAGER=less
EDITOR=nano
VISUAL=nano

export PAGER EDITOR VISUAL PATH MANPATH


# WARNING:  Do not use the -fast option when compiling software;
#           not unless ALL your software was created that way...

CC="gcc"
CFLAGS="-O3 -mcpu=ultrasparc"

CXX="g++"
CXXFLAGS="-O3 -mcpu=ultrasparc"

LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/lib"
CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include"

export CC CFLAGS CXX CXXFLAGS LDFLAGS CPPFLAGS

# End of /etc/profile stuff


Once your environment is set correctly - log out and log back in to enable it -- then go get Pythons tarball:

wget http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.3.3/Python-2.3.3.tgz
gtar zxvf Python-2.3.3.tgz
cd Python-2.3.3
./configure && make ; pwd
su -
cd (to python source dir)
make install  (as root, and should go into /usr/local/bin by default)


Get this version of mailman:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/mailman/mailman-2.1.4.tgz?download


As YOUR normal (non-root ID) do these commands:

gtar zxvf mailman-2.1.4.tgz
cd mailman-2.1.4
./configure --help  (make note of some possible options.)


(I use Postfix - so you may need to change some steps.)

You need to research what this option:
	--with-mail-gid
needs to be set as.  Under my postfix system is is set as the default 'mailman:mailman' - but see more on that later.

>From the INSTALL notes (mailman itself:
...
      --with-mail-gid=<group-or-groups>
            Specify an alternative group for running scripts via the
            mail wrapper.  <group-or-groups> can be a list of one or
            more integer group ids or symbolic group names.  The first
            value in the list that resolves to an existing group is
            used.  By default, the value is the list
            `mailman other mail daemon'.

            This is highly system dependent and you must get this
            right, because the group id is compiled into the mail
            wrapper program for added security.  On systems using
            sendmail, the sendmail.cf configuration file designates
            the group id of sendmail processes using the "DefaultUser"
            option.  (If commented out, it still may be indicating the
            default...)

            Check your MTA's documentation and configuration files to
            find the right value for this switch.
...

		If you are using Postfix - Do not set this - the deault is OK.


./configure --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python \
--with-cgi-gid=nobody --with-cgi-ext=.cgi

( I left off the following intentionally and will adrress them later:
	--with-username
	--with-groupname
On my system the default is acceptable. )

After the ./config step is done, run 'make' (as you the regular userid and NOT root.)

When that step is done DO NOT do anything else until you complete the next steps as ROOT.

Do these commands - more or less in order as ROOT:

    - Add a new user called `mailman'.
    - Add a new group called `mailman'.
    - Create an installation directory - I made /usr/local/mailman

      The default installation directory for Mailman 2.1 is
      /usr/local/mailman.

      Watch out if your site does something like mount /usr/local with
      the nosuid option.  This will break Mailman, which relies on
      set-gid programs for its security.

cd /usr/local/mailman
chgrp mailman .
chmod a+rx,g+ws .

IMPORTANT:  Add your "normal userid" - the one you just built mailman with - to the mailman group!
( You may need to log out and back in to enable this additional group membership. )

exit ( give up root priv. )


Do this as the normal UserID (not as root)

cd back to where ever you built mailman and run 

make install

su - (become root again)


cd /usr/local/mailman
bin/check_perms -f
cp scripts/mailman /etc/init.d/mailman

Execute these commands:

cd /etc/rc0.d
ln -s /etc/init.d/mailman K12mailman
cd /etc/rc1.d
ln -s /etc/init.d/mailman K12mailman
cd /etc/rc2.d
ln -s /etc/init.d/mailman S98mailman
cd /etc/rc3.d
ln -s /etc/init.d/mailman S98mailman
cd /etc/rc4.d
ln -s /etc/init.d/mailman S98mailman
cd /etc/rc5.d
ln -s /etc/init.d/mailman S98mailman
cd /etc/rc6.d
ln -s /etc/init.d/mailman K12mailman
cd /etc/rcS.d
ln -s /etc/init.d/mailman K12mailman

( Ignore any spurious errors ... )

You can verify correct installation by executing:

cd /etc ; find . -name "*mailman*" -print

You should see something like this -
	./init.d/mailman
	./rc0.d/K12mailman
	./rc1.d/K12mailman
	./rc2.d/S98mailman
	./rc3.d/S98mailman
	./rc3.d/K12mailman
	./rcS.d/K12mailman



Fix your mailman's crontab
crontab -e mailman
( in nano/pico just hit Crtl-R and read in file:
          /usr/local/mailman/cron/crontab.in

Ctrl-X and save it...


While still root - make the correct changes to your Apache 2 httpd.conf

ScriptAlias   /mailman/       $prefix/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
( also set appropriate access to the /pipermail/ path ... 
  mine looks like this:

<DirectoryMatch "/usr/local/apache2/htdocs|/usr/local/apache2/Sol3/www|/usr/local/apache2/BZ|/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/">

 I know I know - one day I will some housekeeping  ... )



Copy some files

cp /usr/local/mailman/icons/* /path/to/apache/icons


Now restart your web server.

/etc/init.d/apache2 restart
 and start the mailman system:
 
bin/mailmanctl start



The only step(s) left now are setting up your Mail Server;
see the relevant README.mailserver file for info...


HTH/-Sx-  =)
http://sneex.is.dreaming.org/

PS - I have been getting a lot of TIMEOUT after DATA error from the pythin mail server -- is their do not fragment flag set???

Maybe there is a bad router between me and that system - at any rate I dont get mails here all that well; so i can also be reached at

elohayelohim at yahoo.com  
(Hebrew for GOD of Gods.)




From Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch  Thu Feb 12 08:44:28 2004
From: Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch (BERTHOLD Jean)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:44:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compilation under Solaris 9 /Sparc problems....
Message-ID: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB04DFDF@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local>

Hello,

I have had the same problem with Solaris Release 4/03 on a Sunfire v100 
here is "my solution" (provided by the mailman list, thanks ! :-)


SOLUTION:
---------
crle  -u  -l /usr/local/lib

OR:

export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib

et try to recompile python from the sources

EOS Holding
Jean Berthold
Administrateur Unix & Oracle
Unit? Gestion de l'infrastructure
Team Syst?mes
Ch. de Mornex 10
T?l. +41(0)21 341 24 58
Fax +41(0)21 341 20 49
jean.berthold <mailto:jean.berthold at eosholding.ch> 
 
UNIX is user friendly.
It's just selective about who its friends are.






-----Message d'origine-----
De : donnie [mailto:del at obsidian.com]
Envoy? : jeudi, 12. f?vrier 2004 04:46
? : WC Jones
Cc : mailman-users at python.org
Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] Compilation under Solaris 9 /Sparc
problems....




WC Jones wrote:

>>Have anyone compiled/installed MailMan under Solaris 9/Ultra-5/GCC3.3???
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Yes, this past weekend on an Ultra 10 w/Sol9
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Here is the result of an error msg during compilation::
>>
>>
>>Traceback (most recent call last):
>>File "bin/update", line 47, in ?
>>  from Mailman import Utils
>>File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ?
>>  import cgi
>>File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ?
>>  import urllib
>>File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
>>  import socket
>>File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
>>  from _socket import *
>>ImportError: No module named _socket
>>*** Error code 1
>>make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `update'
>>bash-2.05#
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>
>Yes - are you using the pythin from sunfreeware.com ???
>

Yes, I am...it seemed the right thing to do...

>
>Try to just build python from scratch.
>  
>
hmm..is the python build at SunFreeware incorrect...??

>
>I was going to attach some ramblings from my recent successful build - but I 
>seem to have mis placed them - Ill try to recreate from memory.
>
>Grrrrr.  Sorry.
>
>Sx
>  
>
..any help/assistance is greatly appreciated...

del
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From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Feb 12 09:00:13 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:00:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman bug
Message-ID: <20040212080013.GA29300@piper.madduck.net>

ii  mailman        2.1.4-1        Powerful, web-based mailing list manager
ii  python2.3      2.3.3-5        An interactive high-level object-oriented la

Hi there,

I would like to report a bug in mailman 2.1.4, which only surfaces,
when config_list is used to import a configuration file that sets
new_member_options (the value is irrelevant). If I comment out the
new_member_options line in the file, as exported by config_list,
everything works. However, if I leave the file unchanged and
reimport it right after the export, I get the attached error page
when I try to subscribe/confirm to the mailing list, or when I want
to view the general admin page.

Comments appreciated.

-- 
martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
 
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<head><title>Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4</title></head>
<body bgcolor=#ffffff><h2>Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4</h2>
<p><h3>We're sorry, we hit a bug!</h3>

<p>If you would like to help us identify the problem,
please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with
a description of what happened.  Thanks!

<h4>Traceback:</h4><p><pre>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 97, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 198, in main
    show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 522, in show_results
    form.AddItem(show_variables(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc))
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 531, in show_variables
    options = mlist.GetConfigInfo(category, subcat)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 428, in GetConfigInfo
    value = gui.GetConfigInfo(self, category, subcat)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/General.py", line 53, in GetConfigInfo
    optvals = [mlist.new_member_options & bitfields[o] for o in OPTIONS]
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for &: 'list' and 'int'


</pre></body>
<p><hr><h4>Python information:</h4>

<p><table>
<tr><th>Variable</th><th>Value</th></tr>

<tr><td><tt>sys.version</tt></td><td> 2.3+ (#2, Aug 10 2003, 11:33:47) 
[GCC 3.3.1 (Debian)] </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt>sys.executable</tt></td><td> /usr/bin/python </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt>sys.prefix</tt></td><td> /usr </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt>sys.exec_prefix</tt></td><td> /usr </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt>sys.path</tt></td><td> /usr </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt>sys.platform</tt></td><td> linux2 </td></tr>
</table>
<p><hr><h4>Environment variables:</h4>

<p><table>
<tr><th>Variable</th><th>Value</th></tr>

<tr><td><tt> HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER </tt></td><td> ailab.ch </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> HTTP_REFERER </tt></td><td> https://ailab.ch/mailman/admin/libhid-cvs/gateway </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> SERVER_SOFTWARE </tt></td><td> Apache </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> SCRIPT_NAME </tt></td><td> /mailman/admin </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> SERVER_SIGNATURE </tt></td><td>  </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> REQUEST_METHOD </tt></td><td> GET </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> PATH_INFO </tt></td><td> /libhid-cvs/general </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> SERVER_PROTOCOL </tt></td><td> HTTP/1.1 </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> QUERY_STRING </tt></td><td>  </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET </tt></td><td> ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> HTTP_USER_AGENT </tt></td><td> Mozilla/5.0 Galeon/1.2.12 (X11; Linux i686; U;) Gecko/20031028 Debian/1.2.12-0woody3 </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> HTTP_CONNECTION </tt></td><td> close </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> HTTP_COOKIE </tt></td><td> libhid+admin=280200000069522e2b40732800000063376339663664343065636138366637333064646661616339376335323535346663656165323038; libhid-cvs+admin=280200000069152f2b40732800000034373232323538306337666666373533333165393835316264616630316233663166626465393433; all+admin=2802000000697a2f2b40732800000033343162326130313834363237326562656465303432613064626139333965393738356163316633; sympa_altemails=listmaster%40lists.ailab.ch%3Aclassic%26066dd7b0; __ac_name="krafft" </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> SERVER_NAME </tt></td><td> localhost </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> REMOTE_ADDR </tt></td><td> 127.0.0.1 </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> PATH_TRANSLATED </tt></td><td> /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/libhid-cvs/general </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> SERVER_PORT </tt></td><td> 8001 </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> SERVER_ADDR </tt></td><td> 127.0.0.1 </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> DOCUMENT_ROOT </tt></td><td> /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> PYTHONPATH </tt></td><td> /var/lib/mailman </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> SCRIPT_FILENAME </tt></td><td> /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> SERVER_ADMIN </tt></td><td> hostmaster at ailab.ch </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> SCRIPT_URI </tt></td><td> http://localhost:8001/mailman/admin/libhid-cvs/general </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> HTTP_HOST </tt></td><td> localhost:8001 </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> SCRIPT_URL </tt></td><td> /mailman/admin/libhid-cvs/general </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL </tt></td><td> max-age=0 </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> REQUEST_URI </tt></td><td> /mailman/admin/libhid-cvs/general </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> HTTP_ACCEPT </tt></td><td> text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> GATEWAY_INTERFACE </tt></td><td> CGI/1.1 </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR </tt></td><td> 80.219.169.230 </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> REMOTE_PORT </tt></td><td> 40443 </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> HTTP_X_FORWARDED_HOST </tt></td><td> ailab.ch </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING </tt></td><td> gzip,deflate </td></tr>
<tr><td><tt> UNIQUE_ID </tt></td><td> QCsxnn8AAAEAAFo9IIM </td></tr>
</table>
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From bob at ngi.it  Thu Feb 12 11:01:19 2004
From: bob at ngi.it (Bob Alexander)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:01:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hit a bug in 2.1.4 - how to report (and fix) ?
Message-ID: <402B4EEF.3050408@ngi.it>

When a user subscribes to the list abd BEFORE finishing the process (the 
confirm message or web page) they try to list the members, here is what 
they get (some data obscured with XXX for privacy reasons).

Thank you. Bob

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy 
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 97, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/roster.py", line 85, in main
     password, addr)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 220, in 
WebAuthenticate
     ok = self.CheckCookie(ac, user)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 300, in 
CheckCookie
     ok = self.__checkone(c, authcontext, user)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 310, in 
__checkone
     key, secret = self.AuthContextInfo(authcontext, user)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 105, in 
AuthContextInfo
     secret = self.getMemberPassword(user)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 102, in 
getMemberPassword
     raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
NotAMemberError: XXXX at XXX.XXX.XXX




Python information:
Variable	Value
sys.version	2.3.3 (#2, Jan 13 2004, 00:47:05) [GCC 3.3.3 20040110 
(prerelease) (Debian)]
sys.executable	/usr/bin/python
sys.prefix	/usr
sys.exec_prefix	/usr
sys.path	/usr
sys.platform	linux2


Environment variables:
Variable	Value
HTTP_REFERER 	http://XXXX.XXXXX.XXXX/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/test
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache/1.3.29 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.3
SCRIPT_NAME 	/cgi-bin/mailman/roster
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	Apache/1.3.29 Server at XXXX.XXXXX.XXXX Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD 	POST
PATH_INFO 	/test
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.0
QUERY_STRING 	
CONTENT_LENGTH 	109
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)
HTTP_COOKIE 
w3ibmProfile=200012150753070677-772415056|gEME|758|758|en-us; msp=2; 
w3sauid=d002000000000FAFB10697962460000955896.0009911952; PBC_NLSP=en_US
SERVER_NAME 	XXXXX.XXXXX.XXXX
REMOTE_ADDR 	XXXXX.XXXX.XXXX.XXX
HTTP_VIA 	HTTP/1.1 XXX.XXX.XXX (XXX-PROXY-WTE)
PATH_TRANSLATED 	/var/www/test
SERVER_PORT 	80
SERVER_ADDR 	X.X.X.X
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/var/www
HTTP_PRAGMA 	no-cache
PYTHONPATH 	/var/lib/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/roster
SERVER_ADMIN 	webmaster at X.X.X.X
HTTP_HOST 	X.X.X.X
REQUEST_URI 	/cgi-bin/mailman/roster/test
HTTP_ACCEPT 	image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, 
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, 
application/msword, */*
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1
REMOTE_PORT 	43596
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us,it;q=0.5
CONTENT_TYPE 	application/x-www-form-urlencoded
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip, deflate
UNIQUE_ID 	QCptbMCoAQEAAB3vBX4





From dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk  Thu Feb 12 11:15:16 2004
From: dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk (David W Smith)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:15:16 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] prevent empty mailing list postings
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402111633270.13767@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>

Hi,

I'm running mm 2.0.13 (Solaris 8) and 2.1.4 (Solaris 9) and recently a
posting went out to one of my large mailing lists but it was empty. The
sender did call say to warn me and ask if the posting could be stopped.
But by then it was already being sent out.

So I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to have mm block/trap empty
postings (and/or postings of a minimum size) and inform the mailman
administrator?

Thanks.

David Smith

Systems Administrator

University of Oxford






From javier.romero at cedex.es  Thu Feb 12 12:41:50 2004
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:41:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] init.d mailman script problem in solaris
Message-ID: <402B667E.4000206@cedex.es>

I tried deleting 'restart' sentence of script, and if i make a stop and 
start all is being good... but if i make a init 6, two process of 
mailmanctl are executing...  Why????

thanks!...

hi mates!
i have a problem with init.d mailman script in solaris 8 (mailman
2.1.3)...   i've just copied  _/scripts/mailman   into _/init.d,  and
click on the webmin Start at boot time flag ,  but when i reboot machine
(init 6) two /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s
-q start has executed, and i get two mailmanctl runnig with 9 qrunner
process each...

Could somebody help me?

-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX



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From javier.romero at cedex.es  Thu Feb 12 13:15:11 2004
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:15:11 +0100
Subject: OK! Re: [Mailman-Users] init.d mailman script problem in solaris
In-Reply-To: <402B667E.4000206@cedex.es>
References: <402B667E.4000206@cedex.es>
Message-ID: <402B6E4F.7080600@cedex.es>

i've create a new  a new bootup and shutdown action with webmin and all 
is ok now...

javier wrote:

> I tried deleting 'restart' sentence of script, and if i make a stop 
> and start all is being good... but if i make a init 6, two process of 
> mailmanctl are executing...  Why????
>
> thanks!...
>
> hi mates!
> i have a problem with init.d mailman script in solaris 8 (mailman
> 2.1.3)...   i've just copied  _/scripts/mailman   into _/init.d,  and
> click on the webmin Start at boot time flag ,  but when i reboot machine
> (init 6) two /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s
> -q start has executed, and i get two mailmanctl runnig with 9 qrunner
> process each...
>
> Could somebody help me?
>

-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX





From wahlmann at agro.uba.ar  Thu Feb 12 14:27:29 2004
From: wahlmann at agro.uba.ar (Mariano Wahlmann)
Date: 12 Feb 2004 10:27:29 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Domain Names
In-Reply-To: <20040211210927.GC25485@rz.xs4all.nl>
References: <20040211210927.GC25485@rz.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1076592448.4702.9.camel@petrus.agro.uba.ar>

I'm trying to find out how to configure mailman for multiple domain,
my site has two domain names (@agro.uba.ar and @ifeva.edu.ar). 
People use sometimes one domain, and sometimes the other, i want
to know if is posible to set mailman for accept mails for both domains
without subscribing users twice (with each domain), because if i subscribe
with two domains, users get duplicate mails.

Thanks.





From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Thu Feb 12 14:59:40 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:59:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced Messages
Message-ID: <E1ArHNU-0001uv-Bl@ohio.stageserver.net>

I just created a new mailing list with only 27 subscribers. While all 
of the email addresses should be correct, how can I know TODAY whether 
any of the messages are bouncing?

Thanks,
Mike Phillips
Mills Law Firm, PLLC
132 Towerview Court
Cary, NC 27513
Voice (919) 462-3036
Fax (919-554-4243

Patent, Trademark, Copyright,
Music, and Entertainment Law



From ralph at refmail.net  Thu Feb 12 14:59:26 2004
From: ralph at refmail.net (Ralph Boersema)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:59:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Discards
Message-ID: <00a601c3f170$6fe95660$6401a8c0@ralphs>

Dear Folks,

I have an announce list that can only be posted to be the list admin. I
get a large volume of spam sent to the list. Is there some way I can set
it so that these will be discarded automatically and I don't have to
discard them manually?

Thanks.
Ralph


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From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Thu Feb 12 15:15:03 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:15:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Text Attachments
Message-ID: <E1ArHcN-0003EB-0a@ohio.stageserver.net>

This question has been discussed at length, but I don't know if there 
ever was a definitive answer. Is there a way to cause MM not to send 
the nuisance text attachments that accompany HTML posts to the list? My 
server is 2.1.3.



From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Feb 12 15:27:01 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:27:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cascaded lists -- any tips?
Message-ID: <20040212142701.GA17576@diamond.madduck.net>

I administer a set of cascaded lists, or umbrella lists, however you
want to call them. The setup is something along the following lines:

A -> B, C, users
B -> D, E, F
C -> users
D -> users
E -> users
F -> G, H, users
G -> users
H -> users

Even though I configured the umbrella_list settings accordingly,
this setup is quite painful when it comes to moderation. I have
things like require_explicit_destination with the appropriate
acceptable_aliases turned on as well as maximum size protection and
other content filter rules.

This works okay until someone posts a message to A, which is to be
moderated. I accept the message for A, and then am asked to do the
same for B and C, then for D, E, F and then for G, H. Thus, I have
to visit the moderation interface 8 times for a single message.

I have already considered making A and F pure umbrella lists and
then to take all restrictions off the umbrella lists, so as to have
moderation only apply to the leaf lists, but in the case of a post
to A, I'd still have to accept a message 7 times.

Is there no way to tell a child list to pass a message through when
it has been accepted in a parent list?

I'd be interested how other people deal with this problem. I guess
I could forget the hierarchy and simply use a database to do the
management of list memberships for each member, but i'd be
sacrificing some of the features (e.g. single archive for a group).

How can I deal with this problem?

Thanks,

-- 
martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
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From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Feb 12 15:27:07 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:27:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] accept_these_nonmembers &
	require_explicit_destination
Message-ID: <20040212142707.GB17576@diamond.madduck.net>

putting an address in accept_these_nonmembers does not allow this
person to Bcc a list when require_explicit_destination is on. this
is because member-checking is done before recipient checking.

is there a way to whitelist some posters to allow them to Bcc
a list? if not, how do i submit a feature request?

thanks,

-- 
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From Pedro.Rodriguez at emea.eu.int  Thu Feb 12 17:02:08 2004
From: Pedro.Rodriguez at emea.eu.int (Rodriguez Gomez Pedro)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:02:08 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the default archive pages
Message-ID: <0B325AA0B7791E46B129470BAF377E21018287F5@ws021.emea.eu.int>

Hi,

I am working with Mailman 2.1.3 and my problem is changing the "look and feel" of the Archive pages of every list in my system. 

I know that there is a folder with default templates "$prefix/template/<language>/", and inside this folder the files "article.html", "archidxfoot.html", "archidxhead.html" , ... that contain the default "look and feel" of the archive pages. But if I copy (and then change) these files into "$prefix/lists/test/<language>", being "test" a new list with no messages so far, and then I send a first message to the list, nothing happens, I mean nothing but the archives are generated as always. If I do the same proccess, but changing the files directly in "$prefix/template/<language>/" the result is the same.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks,

Pedro Rodriguez Gomez

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From rick at niof.net  Thu Feb 12 17:08:36 2004
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:08:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Text Attachments
In-Reply-To: <E1ArHcN-0003EB-0a@ohio.stageserver.net>
References: <E1ArHcN-0003EB-0a@ohio.stageserver.net>
Message-ID: <20040212160836.GP3504@niof.net>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 09:15:03AM -0500, Mike Phillips wrote:
> This question has been discussed at length, but I don't know if there
> ever was a definitive answer. Is there a way to cause MM not to send
> the nuisance text attachments that accompany HTML posts to the list?
> My server is 2.1.3.

I beg your pardon! That text portion is the *only* portion of the email
that I will read. Any email that arrives in my mailbox with nothing but
html gets discarded unread. I doubt I am alone in this practice.

-- 
"Moreover, any man more right than his neighbors constitutes
 a majority of one already."  -- Henry David Thoreau
    Rick Pasotto    rick at niof.net    http://www.niof.net



From Pedro.Rodriguez at emea.eu.int  Thu Feb 12 17:06:26 2004
From: Pedro.Rodriguez at emea.eu.int (Rodriguez Gomez Pedro)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:06:26 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the default archive pages
Message-ID: <0B325AA0B7791E46B129470BAF377E2102C82B4A@ws021.emea.eu.int>

Sorry, I forgot to say that I also tried to put the files in "$prefix/archives/private/test" and it didn't work either.

Pedro Rodriguez Gomez

-----Original Message-----
From: Rodriguez Gomez Pedro 
Sent: 12 February 2004 16:02
To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Changing the default archive pages


Hi,

I am working with Mailman 2.1.3 and my problem is changing the "look and feel" of the Archive pages of every list in my system. 

I know that there is a folder with default templates "$prefix/template/<language>/", and inside this folder the files "article.html", "archidxfoot.html", "archidxhead.html" , ... that contain the default "look and feel" of the archive pages. But if I copy (and then change) these files into "$prefix/lists/test/<language>", being "test" a new list with no messages so far, and then I send a first message to the list, nothing happens, I mean nothing but the archives are generated as always. If I do the same proccess, but changing the files directly in "$prefix/template/<language>/" the result is the same.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks,

Pedro Rodriguez Gomez

________________________________________________________________________
This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by EMEA.
________________________________________________________________________



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 12 17:15:13 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Feb 2004 11:15:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced Messages
In-Reply-To: <E1ArHNU-0001uv-Bl@ohio.stageserver.net>
References: <E1ArHNU-0001uv-Bl@ohio.stageserver.net>
Message-ID: <1076602512.4315.31.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 08:59, Mike Phillips wrote:
> I just created a new mailing list with only 27 subscribers. While all 
> of the email addresses should be correct, how can I know TODAY whether 
> any of the messages are bouncing?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike Phillips

Hay Mike, 

Just check the Mailman logs (you'll know which one to look in ;-)
  ~mailman/logs/..

Jon Carnes 
(Apex, NC)




From simon at caperet.com  Thu Feb 12 17:18:37 2004
From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:18:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Text Attachments
In-Reply-To: <20040212160836.GP3504@niof.net>
References: <E1ArHcN-0003EB-0a@ohio.stageserver.net>
	<20040212160836.GP3504@niof.net>
Message-ID: <20040212161837.GT10028@mediadev.com>

12-Feb-04 at 11:08, Rick Pasotto (rick at niof.net) wrote :
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 09:15:03AM -0500, Mike Phillips wrote:
> > This question has been discussed at length, but I don't know if there
> > ever was a definitive answer. Is there a way to cause MM not to send
> > the nuisance text attachments that accompany HTML posts to the list?
> > My server is 2.1.3.
> 
> I beg your pardon! That text portion is the *only* portion of the email
> that I will read. Any email that arrives in my mailbox with nothing but
> html gets discarded unread. I doubt I am alone in this practice.

You can change MM to stop sending those "nuisance text attachments"
(sic) by changing the source, or using separate MIME processing, or
making the decision to switch off footers everywhere (you can do it).

Isn't this an FAQ? 

-- 
Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration.
email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access
     Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 12 17:22:35 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Feb 2004 11:22:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cascaded lists -- any tips?
In-Reply-To: <20040212142701.GA17576@diamond.madduck.net>
References: <20040212142701.GA17576@diamond.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <1076602955.4315.37.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 09:27, martin f krafft wrote:
> I administer a set of cascaded lists, or umbrella lists, however you
> want to call them. The setup is something along the following lines:
> 
> A -> B, C, users
> B -> D, E, F
> C -> users
> D -> users
> E -> users
> F -> G, H, users
> G -> users
> H -> users
> 
> Even though I configured the umbrella_list settings accordingly,
> this setup is quite painful when it comes to moderation. I have
> things like require_explicit_destination with the appropriate
> acceptable_aliases turned on as well as maximum size protection and
> other content filter rules.
> 
> This works okay until someone posts a message to A, which is to be
> moderated. I accept the message for A, and then am asked to do the
> same for B and C, then for D, E, F and then for G, H. Thus, I have
> to visit the moderation interface 8 times for a single message.
> 
> I have already considered making A and F pure umbrella lists and
> then to take all restrictions off the umbrella lists, so as to have
> moderation only apply to the leaf lists, but in the case of a post
> to A, I'd still have to accept a message 7 times.
> 
> Is there no way to tell a child list to pass a message through when
> it has been accepted in a parent list?
> 
> I'd be interested how other people deal with this problem. I guess
> I could forget the hierarchy and simply use a database to do the
> management of list memberships for each member, but i'd be
> sacrificing some of the features (e.g. single archive for a group).
> 
> How can I deal with this problem?
> 
> Thanks,

With some moderate recoding, you could get this to work. Basically you
would change the code so that accepting a message setup a key that was
good for some time period.  Then any moderation for a list would look
for a key that basically allowed the message to pass.  In that way you
would approve the message once and then it would pass through all
subsequent lists.

Someone else did something quite similar awhile back with 2.0.x but the
details are lost in the fog of time.  Still it might be worth an archive
search.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From Pedro.Rodriguez at emea.eu.int  Thu Feb 12 17:50:07 2004
From: Pedro.Rodriguez at emea.eu.int (Rodriguez Gomez Pedro)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:50:07 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the default archive pages
Message-ID: <0B325AA0B7791E46B129470BAF377E2102C82B4D@ws021.emea.eu.int>

Thanks! it works now

Pedro Rodriguez Gomez

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk]
Sent: 12 February 2004 16:32
To: Rodriguez Gomez Pedro
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing the default archive pages


On 12 Feb 2004, at 16:06, Rodriguez Gomez Pedro wrote:

> Sorry, I forgot to say that I also tried to put the files in  
> "$prefix/archives/private/test" and it didn't work either.
>
> Pedro Rodriguez Gomez
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rodriguez Gomez Pedro
> Sent: 12 February 2004 16:02
> To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
> Subject: Changing the default archive pages
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am working with Mailman 2.1.3 and my problem is changing the "look  
> and feel" of the Archive pages of every list in my system.
>
> I know that there is a folder with default templates  
> "$prefix/template/<language>/", and inside this folder the files  
> "article.html", "archidxfoot.html", "archidxhead.html" , ... that  
> contain the default "look and feel" of the archive pages. But if I  
> copy (and then change) these files into  
> "$prefix/lists/test/<language>", being "test" a new list with no  
> messages so far, and then I send a first message to the list, nothing  
> happens, I mean nothing but the archives are generated as always. If I  
> do the same proccess, but changing the files directly in  
> "$prefix/template/<language>/" the result is the same.
>
> Am I doing something wrong?
>

For performance reasons the templates are cached by the various  
qrunners while they are running. As a consquence you need to use  
mailmanctl restart after changing templates so that the qrunners will  
pick up the new versions from disk and incorporate them in to into  
their caches.

The following information quoted from $prefix/Mailman/Uils.py may be of  
use to you:

<quote>
     # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4  
places
     # that are searched, in this order:
     #
     # 1. the list-specific language directory
     #    lists/<listname>/<language>
     #
     # 2. the domain-specific language directory
     #    templates/<list.host_name>/<language>
     #
     # 3. the site-wide language directory
     #    templates/site/<language>
     #
     # 4. the global default language directory
     #    templates/<language>
     #
     # The first match found stops the search.  In this way, you can  
specialize
     # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
     # templates, you don't need to change anything.  You should never  
modify
     # files in the templates/<language> subdirectory, since Mailman will
     # overwrite these when you upgrade.  That's what the templates/site
     # language directories are for.
     #
     # A further complication is that the language to search for is  
determined
     # by both the `lang' and `mlist' arguments.  The search order there  
is
     # that if lang is given, then the 4 locations above are searched,
     # substituting lang for <language>.  If no match is found, and  
mlist is
     # given, then the 4 locations are searched using the list's  
preferred
     # language.  After that, the server default language is used for
     # <language>.  If that still doesn't yield a template, then the  
standard
     # distribution's English language template is used as an ultimate
     # fallback.  If that's missing you've got big problems. ;)
     #
</quote>

Note that you should not make changes to templates in the  
$prefix/Mailman/templates directory  as those changes will be lost when  
you next upgrade Mailman; put your changed templates under  
$prefix/templates/site/ if, for instance, you want them to apply to all  
lists on your server in place of the defaults.


> Thanks,
>
> Pedro Rodriguez Gomez
>
> _______________________________________________________________________ 
> _
> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by EMEA.
> _______________________________________________________________________ 
> _
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Feb 12 17:32:04 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:32:04 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the default archive pages
In-Reply-To: <0B325AA0B7791E46B129470BAF377E2102C82B4A@ws021.emea.eu.int>
References: <0B325AA0B7791E46B129470BAF377E2102C82B4A@ws021.emea.eu.int>
Message-ID: <FE2BB22E-5D78-11D8-8667-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 12 Feb 2004, at 16:06, Rodriguez Gomez Pedro wrote:

> Sorry, I forgot to say that I also tried to put the files in  
> "$prefix/archives/private/test" and it didn't work either.
>
> Pedro Rodriguez Gomez
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rodriguez Gomez Pedro
> Sent: 12 February 2004 16:02
> To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
> Subject: Changing the default archive pages
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am working with Mailman 2.1.3 and my problem is changing the "look  
> and feel" of the Archive pages of every list in my system.
>
> I know that there is a folder with default templates  
> "$prefix/template/<language>/", and inside this folder the files  
> "article.html", "archidxfoot.html", "archidxhead.html" , ... that  
> contain the default "look and feel" of the archive pages. But if I  
> copy (and then change) these files into  
> "$prefix/lists/test/<language>", being "test" a new list with no  
> messages so far, and then I send a first message to the list, nothing  
> happens, I mean nothing but the archives are generated as always. If I  
> do the same proccess, but changing the files directly in  
> "$prefix/template/<language>/" the result is the same.
>
> Am I doing something wrong?
>

For performance reasons the templates are cached by the various  
qrunners while they are running. As a consquence you need to use  
mailmanctl restart after changing templates so that the qrunners will  
pick up the new versions from disk and incorporate them in to into  
their caches.

The following information quoted from $prefix/Mailman/Uils.py may be of  
use to you:

<quote>
     # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4  
places
     # that are searched, in this order:
     #
     # 1. the list-specific language directory
     #    lists/<listname>/<language>
     #
     # 2. the domain-specific language directory
     #    templates/<list.host_name>/<language>
     #
     # 3. the site-wide language directory
     #    templates/site/<language>
     #
     # 4. the global default language directory
     #    templates/<language>
     #
     # The first match found stops the search.  In this way, you can  
specialize
     # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
     # templates, you don't need to change anything.  You should never  
modify
     # files in the templates/<language> subdirectory, since Mailman will
     # overwrite these when you upgrade.  That's what the templates/site
     # language directories are for.
     #
     # A further complication is that the language to search for is  
determined
     # by both the `lang' and `mlist' arguments.  The search order there  
is
     # that if lang is given, then the 4 locations above are searched,
     # substituting lang for <language>.  If no match is found, and  
mlist is
     # given, then the 4 locations are searched using the list's  
preferred
     # language.  After that, the server default language is used for
     # <language>.  If that still doesn't yield a template, then the  
standard
     # distribution's English language template is used as an ultimate
     # fallback.  If that's missing you've got big problems. ;)
     #
</quote>

Note that you should not make changes to templates in the  
$prefix/Mailman/templates directory  as those changes will be lost when  
you next upgrade Mailman; put your changed templates under  
$prefix/templates/site/ if, for instance, you want them to apply to all  
lists on your server in place of the defaults.


> Thanks,
>
> Pedro Rodriguez Gomez
>
> _______________________________________________________________________ 
> _
> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by EMEA.
> _______________________________________________________________________ 
> _
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From petermees at pandora.be  Thu Feb 12 21:43:27 2004
From: petermees at pandora.be (Peter Mees)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:43:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending to subscribers
Message-ID: <20040212204310.D88BD37ED1@astra.telenet-ops.be>

Am using mailman 2.1.1-4 on RH 9 with qmail.

Can subscribe users , and they receive subscription mail.

Users can perform administrative request mails and get answer.

But messages send to mailinglist are not delivered.

 

Please help , its driving me crazy

 

Peter Mees

 



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 12 22:21:36 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Feb 2004 16:21:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending to subscribers
In-Reply-To: <20040212204310.D88BD37ED1@astra.telenet-ops.be>
References: <20040212204310.D88BD37ED1@astra.telenet-ops.be>
Message-ID: <1076620895.4315.67.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 15:43, Peter Mees wrote:
> Am using mailman 2.1.1-4 on RH 9 with qmail.
> 
> Can subscribe users , and they receive subscription mail.
> 
> Users can perform administrative request mails and get answer.
> 
> But messages send to mailinglist are not delivered.
> 
>  
> 
> Please help , its driving me crazy
> 
>  
> 
> Peter Mees
> 
FAQ 3.1.4 may help, but qmail is it's own can of fish.
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From BAtkins at osc.uscg.mil  Thu Feb 12 22:21:47 2004
From: BAtkins at osc.uscg.mil (Atkins, Brian)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:21:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems resolving the hostname?
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD68317040863A4@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>

Greetings,

I am currently using Mailman 2.0.13, but I am in the process of performing a
fresh installation of 2.1.4 on RedHat 9.  I have the basics complete and I
am having difficulty with the configuration.  When accessing the cgi for
listinfo, etc, the hostname for the links is resolving to
'localhost.localdomain'.  I have the following set in mm_cfg.py:

	DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = '###MyHostName###' 
	DEFAULT_URL_HOST = '###MyHostName###'
	VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
	add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

I tried various attempts to set DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST in
Defaults.py as well, but I am still having issues.  Any thoughts?  It's
probably something simple that I'm overlooking...

Brian 



From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Thu Feb 12 14:51:20 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:51:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: list too big  - needs approval
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402110703340.14781@localhost.localdomain>
	<1076513086.3143.51.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<003801c3f0d5$d3000500$0affff0a@computer>
Message-ID: <alm.20040212145122.17010@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

"Craig Elkins" schrieb:

> i'm not too savvy with mailman so pardon my ignorance.  are there size
> contraints on emails?  

Depends on your configuration. See max_message_size on the general
options page.

-thh




From lists at sthomas.net  Thu Feb 12 22:45:48 2004
From: lists at sthomas.net (Steve Thomas)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:45:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems resolving the hostname?
In-Reply-To: <13828F680182D511893300508BD68317040863A4@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>;
	from BAtkins@osc.uscg.mil on Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 04:21:47PM -0500
References: <13828F680182D511893300508BD68317040863A4@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>
Message-ID: <20040212134548.A28055@sthomas.net>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 04:21:47PM -0500, Atkins, Brian is rumored to have said:
> 
> listinfo, etc, the hostname for the links is resolving to
> 'localhost.localdomain'.  I have the following set in mm_cfg.py:

Check to see what the ServerName directive in apache is set to. Also make sure that you've got the appropriate entries in /etc/hosts for your IP address.


-- 
"A scholar who cherishes the love of comfort is not fit to be deemed a scholar." 
- Lao-Tzu (570?-490? BC) 



From adaml at jbase.com  Thu Feb 12 22:34:37 2004
From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:34:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Question
Message-ID: <CC3EF3DB445D2D4F9FB11EE88FDDFD1D8C54@newmail>

It has been ages since I have touched my mailman server and kudos go out
to those who wrote such a decent product for making it so stable, that
said in that it has been so long since I have touched it I forgot where
to look to learn how to import an mbox file into the archives and have
pipermail archive it.  I thought I saw that there is a newer archive
function in the latest release but I could be wrong.  I am on 2.1.2
using pipermail to archive and search the patches with htdig.

Thanks,
Adam



From doug at hyperpiper.com  Thu Feb 12 23:17:24 2004
From: doug at hyperpiper.com (doug at hyperpiper.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:17:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Two Dumb Questions (but are easy): Manual? &
	Mail Commands Won't Work
Message-ID: <011501c3f1b5$fe4fe7d0$8064a8c0@wovennet.com>

1. Is there a thorough manual on Mailman that I can download and print (so I
won't have to ask dumb questions)?

2. My Mailman seems to be working fine except users aren't able to do the
following....nothing happens when an e-mail is sent to (name is just a
substitute for the URL). subscribe at name.com, unsubscribe at name.com
help at name.com , join at name.com, leave at name.com . Is this a setting needs
correcting?




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 12 23:30:19 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Feb 2004 17:30:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Two Dumb Questions (but are easy): Manual?
	&	Mail Commands Won't Work
In-Reply-To: <011501c3f1b5$fe4fe7d0$8064a8c0@wovennet.com>
References: <011501c3f1b5$fe4fe7d0$8064a8c0@wovennet.com>
Message-ID: <1076625019.4315.71.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 17:17, doug at hyperpiper.com wrote:
> 1. Is there a thorough manual on Mailman that I can download and print (so I
> won't have to ask dumb questions)?
> 
http://www.list.org/docs.html

> 2. My Mailman seems to be working fine except users aren't able to do the
> following....nothing happens when an e-mail is sent to (name is just a
> substitute for the URL). subscribe at name.com, unsubscribe at name.com
> help at name.com , join at name.com, leave at name.com . Is this a setting needs
> correcting?

Assuming your lists are actually working and the aliases have been put
in the appropriate places the try:
  <listname>-subscribe at name.com
  <listname>-unsubscribe at name.com
   etc...




From poneill at valista.com  Fri Feb 13 00:07:00 2004
From: poneill at valista.com (Paul O'Neill)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:07:00 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web admin interface not saving changes
Message-ID: <004f01c3f1bc$ebce7e30$0201a8c0@ie.valista.com>

Hi there

 we recently installed mailman version 2.1.4. Installation went fine
until we tried to use the web interface to add members to the mailing
lists that we created. After submitting the changes the lists were not
updated with the new members. We then realised that although we could
read all the settings we actually couldn't make any changes through the
interface.

 Everything  works fine using the /usr/local/mailman/bin tools we can
add members, make changes to lists etc but we need to get the admin
interface working so we can allow other users to maintain their lists.

 We have ensured that we have cookies turned on etc. Nothing is logged
in the mailman log files and apache shows nothing curious either. I've
checked through the mailman lists and generally around google and seen a
couple of other similar issues but nothing with a real resolution.

Thanks 

paul.....




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Fri Feb 13 00:16:40 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:16:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web admin interface not saving changes
In-Reply-To: <004f01c3f1bc$ebce7e30$0201a8c0@ie.valista.com>
References: <004f01c3f1bc$ebce7e30$0201a8c0@ie.valista.com>
Message-ID: <20040212231639.GR25704@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Paul O'Neill wrote:
>  we recently installed mailman version 2.1.4. Installation went fine
> until we tried to use the web interface to add members to the mailing
> lists that we created. After submitting the changes the lists were not
> updated with the new members. We then realised that although we could
> read all the settings we actually couldn't make any changes through the
> interface.
>
>  Everything  works fine using the /usr/local/mailman/bin tools we can
> add members, make changes to lists etc but we need to get the admin
> interface working so we can allow other users to maintain their lists.
>
>  We have ensured that we have cookies turned on etc. Nothing is logged
> in the mailman log files and apache shows nothing curious either. I've
> checked through the mailman lists and generally around google and seen a
> couple of other similar issues but nothing with a real resolution.

Are you doing any http redirects by chance?  That's one of the most
common reasons for the admin interface acting this way.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
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Bureaucracy is the enemy of innovation.
    -- Mark Shepherd, former President and CEO of Texas Instruments

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Feb 13 01:00:33 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:00:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems resolving the hostname?
In-Reply-To: <13828F680182D511893300508BD68317040863A4@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>
References: <13828F680182D511893300508BD68317040863A4@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>
Message-ID: <A4C93828-5DB7-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 12 Feb 2004, at 21:21, Atkins, Brian wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I am currently using Mailman 2.0.13, but I am in the process of 
> performing a
> fresh installation of 2.1.4 on RedHat 9.  I have the basics complete 
> and I
> am having difficulty with the configuration.  When accessing the cgi 
> for
> listinfo, etc, the hostname for the links is resolving to
> 'localhost.localdomain'.  I have the following set in mm_cfg.py:
>
> 	DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = '###MyHostName###'
> 	DEFAULT_URL_HOST = '###MyHostName###'
> 	VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
> 	add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>

You may need to use $prefix/bin/fix_url.py to fix the email and web 
host related attributes of any existing lists if they were created 
before you set up you mm_cfg as you describe.

> I tried various attempts to set DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and 
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST in
> Defaults.py as well, but I am still having issues.  Any thoughts?  It's
> probably something simple that I'm overlooking...
>
> Brian
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From webmasterone at newtechnologies2000.com  Fri Feb 13 02:17:58 2004
From: webmasterone at newtechnologies2000.com (Richard D. Dover)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:17:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scrubbed html messages in archive
Message-ID: <02c101c3f1cf$37d5d230$0e00a8c0@newtech>

I want html messages to appear in the public archive. In other
words I want a person to click on the link for a message and when
it opens up it is in the original html format it was sent.

What do I need to do so that it is not 'scrubbed'?




From webmasterone at newtechnologies2000.com  Fri Feb 13 02:28:45 2004
From: webmasterone at newtechnologies2000.com (Richard D. Dover)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:28:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] searchable archives
Message-ID: <02c801c3f1d0$b998b430$0e00a8c0@newtech>

How do I set up searchable archives on my list like you have on
your list?




From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Feb 13 04:12:45 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:12:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Text Attachments
In-Reply-To: <E1ArNnl-0003cq-CO@mail.python.org>
References: <E1ArNnl-0003cq-CO@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040212205541.04bd9ec0@127.0.0.1>

Mike Phillips wrote:
 > This question has been discussed at length, but I don't know if there
 > ever was a definitive answer. Is there a way to cause MM not to send
 > the nuisance text attachments that accompany HTML posts to the list?
 > My server is 2.1.3.

      Forget about how, and think about if it's a good idea.  I do not have 
the negative opinion of html e-mail that some here have (although much of 
it is over the top and annoying), but I do realize that some folks won't 
read html e-mail, and at least a few CAN'T.  There are e-mail programs that 
only do plain text, and there are some who choose a program for that 
reason.  If you kill the text portion you exclude those users from you lists.

<>< Paul





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 13 04:20:57 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Feb 2004 22:20:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scrubbed html messages in archive
In-Reply-To: <02c101c3f1cf$37d5d230$0e00a8c0@newtech>
References: <02c101c3f1cf$37d5d230$0e00a8c0@newtech>
Message-ID: <1076642457.3139.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 20:17, Richard D. Dover wrote:
> I want html messages to appear in the public archive. In other
> words I want a person to click on the link for a message and when
> it opens up it is in the original html format it was sent.
> 
> What do I need to do so that it is not 'scrubbed'?
> 
Use an external archiver like Mhonarc.

Pipermail is not yet up-to-snuff for that task.  It was originally meant
for text emails and hasn't been reworked to handle html as well as it
needs to (and yes its harder than it looks).

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 13 04:22:59 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Feb 2004 22:22:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] searchable archives
In-Reply-To: <02c801c3f1d0$b998b430$0e00a8c0@newtech>
References: <02c801c3f1d0$b998b430$0e00a8c0@newtech>
Message-ID: <1076642579.3139.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 20:28, Richard D. Dover wrote:
> How do I set up searchable archives on my list like you have on
> your list?
> 
Find a port of Mailman that has the HTDig patches applied, or install
Mailman from source and apply the HTDig patches yourself.

I believe this is an FAQ.

Jon Carnes




From mdunston at music.vt.edu  Fri Feb 13 04:39:19 2004
From: mdunston at music.vt.edu (michael dunston)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:39:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] single list has ceased delivery and nothing in
	error log
In-Reply-To: <FE2BB22E-5D78-11D8-8667-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <r02010100-1032-351CEFF65DD611D8A714000A95A0C78A@[192.168.1.12]>

A list that has been running for almost a year ceased delivery of
messages about a week ago, due to the 

    'UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)' 

problem.  The last time this happened with a list I was able to manually
remove the offending message (in mailman/lists/THELIST/digest.mbox) and
run bin/unshunt but this time there is no digest.mbox file in the list
directory.  Is there somewhere else to look for the message causing this
error?  Where are messages queued when shunting 'sticks' a list?  

I have updated to 2.1.4, applied the scrubber.py.patch and run
bin/check_perms -f and bin/unshunt.  This list is still 'stuck' (not
delivering messages) yet there is nothing being logged in logs/error
anymore.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  THanks..


-- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
-- Michael Dunston
-- Music and Technology
-- <http://www.music.vt.edu>
-- Virginia Tech School of the Arts



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Feb 13 04:52:25 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:52:25 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] single list has ceased delivery and nothing in
	error log
In-Reply-To: <r02010100-1032-351CEFF65DD611D8A714000A95A0C78A@[192.168.1.12]>
References: <r02010100-1032-351CEFF65DD611D8A714000A95A0C78A@[192.168.1.12]>
Message-ID: <402C49F9.2070606@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

michael dunston wrote:

> A list that has been running for almost a year ceased delivery of
> messages about a week ago, due to the 
> 
>     'UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)' 
> 
> problem.  The last time this happened with a list I was able to manually
> remove the offending message (in mailman/lists/THELIST/digest.mbox) and
> run bin/unshunt but this time there is no digest.mbox file in the list
> directory.  Is there somewhere else to look for the message causing this
> error?  Where are messages queued when shunting 'sticks' a list?  

it's in qfiles/shunt

> 
> I have updated to 2.1.4, applied the scrubber.py.patch and run
> bin/check_perms -f and bin/unshunt.  This list is still 'stuck' (not
> delivering messages) yet there is nothing being logged in logs/error
> anymore.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  THanks..

Do not forget bin/mailmanctl restart.
if it's not still in qfiles/shunt, then the message was processed.
(if it is sent to digest.mbox or archive, then it is not delivered)


-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From aaron at housechurch.org  Fri Feb 13 04:55:31 2004
From: aaron at housechurch.org (Aaron Anderson)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:55:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing administrivia trigger words. How?
Message-ID: <E1ArUQN-0000VT-00@grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Where might be the file that contains these words?

Thanks!      Aaron Anderson   



From dat at internode.com.au  Fri Feb 13 07:30:10 2004
From: dat at internode.com.au (Dat Bui)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:00:10 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how i make recipients think they're not on a list?
In-Reply-To: <r02010100-1032-351CEFF65DD611D8A714000A95A0C78A@[192.168.1.12]>
References: <r02010100-1032-351CEFF65DD611D8A714000A95A0C78A@[192.168.1.12]>
Message-ID: <1076653810.4086.245.camel@solarstorm.internode.com.au>

Hi,
we have a customer that doesn't want subscribers to think that they're on a list.
They want to do this because they think it'll be more personal. *shrugs*

when he sends to the list, I can see this in the (brief) header of Evolution;
                             From: 
Brett McDonald
<brett.mcdonald at blah.com.au>
                               To: 
'Rwip' <rwip at blah.com.au>
                          Subject: 
FW:9th Test
                             Date: 
Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:00:00 +1030


he's using M$ Outlook and this is what he sees;
                             From: 
Brett McDonald
<brett.mcdonald at blah.com.au>
                               To: 
'Rwip' <rwip at blah.com.au> by way of
rwip-bounces at lists.blah.com.au
                          Subject: 
FW:9th Test
                             Date: 
Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:00:00 +1030


I have two questions;
1. is it possible to make the To: field have the recepient address?
2. is there a way to get rid of the "by way of" in the To: field?

thanks in advance.
Dat



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Feb 13 11:48:33 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:48:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scrubbed html messages in archive
In-Reply-To: <1076642457.3139.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <02c101c3f1cf$37d5d230$0e00a8c0@newtech>
	<1076642457.3139.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <2B1B36AF-5E12-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 13 Feb 2004, at 03:20, Jon Carnes wrote:

> On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 20:17, Richard D. Dover wrote:
>> I want html messages to appear in the public archive. In other
>> words I want a person to click on the link for a message and when
>> it opens up it is in the original html format it was sent.
>>
>> What do I need to do so that it is not 'scrubbed'?
>>
> Use an external archiver like Mhonarc.
>

There are a number of ways of using MHonArc to generate HTML archives 
for Mailman lists, including the Mailman/pipermail/MHonarc integration 
patch I publish which is available through here:

http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/

MHonArc seems to be better at handling HTML mail and attachments than 
MM's integrated pipermail archive but pipermail does do some aspects of 
archive organisation quite well IMHO

Referring to your earlier post to the list, subject "searchable 
archives", there is also an Mailman/HTdig integration patch available 
via the URL cited above; nut this is not the only way to add search to 
MM archives, see also:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp

> Pipermail is not yet up-to-snuff for that task.  It was originally 
> meant
> for text emails and hasn't been reworked to handle html as well as it
> needs to (and yes its harder than it looks).
>
> Jon Carnes




From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Fri Feb 13 15:47:07 2004
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:47:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] shunted message
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0402130937160.23464@seyyav.pair.com>


Hello,

Running Mailman 2.1.3 on FreeBSD 4.6 with postfix 2.0.12.  I looked for
this in the archives but didn't find any related to the specific error.

Recently posts for one list, after being approved are ending up in the
shunt directory.  I tried running unshunt but several message don't get
sent out.  The error log is showing this error:


Feb 13 09:18:05 2004 (59528) SHUNTING:
1076646718.5825729+31eb10c7e9135ba64d264dc91efd436d7deef8d9
Feb 13 09:18:05 2004 (93018) Uncaught runner exception: maximum recursion
depth exceeded
Feb 13 09:18:05 2004 (93018) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 74, in
_dispose
    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 146, in process
    deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn)
  File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 345, in
bulkdeliver
    msgtext = msg.as_string()
  File "/usr/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 113, in as_string
    g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom)
  File "/usr/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 103, in flatten
</snip>

Does any one know what the maximum recursion error is and what could cause
it?  Or can any one point in the right direction to trouble shoot the
error more?

Thank you for any input.
Sean



From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Fri Feb 13 15:56:25 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:56:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Text Attachments
Message-ID: <E1Arejx-0004fX-U7@ohio.stageserver.net>

As usual, my question is not clear. I'm referring to the tiny 200 byte 
or so footer that accompanies posts. I'm a newbie, so I don't know how 
to turn off footers, but I will try to learn how. Since MM is on my 
shared server, I wonder whether I have sufficient access to enable me 
to turn off footers.

Mike


> Mike Phillips wrote:
>  > This question has been discussed at length, but I don't know if 
there
>  > ever was a definitive answer. Is there a way to cause MM not to 
send
>  > the nuisance text attachments that accompany HTML posts to the 
list?
>  > My server is 2.1.3.
> 
>       Forget about how, and think about if it's a good idea.  I do 
not have 
> the negative opinion of html e-mail that some here have (although 
much of 
> it is over the top and annoying), but I do realize that some folks 
won't 
> read html e-mail, and at least a few CAN'T.  There are e-mail 
programs that 
> only do plain text, and there are some who choose a program for that 
> reason.  If you kill the text portion you exclude those users from 
you lists.
> 
> <>< Paul
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%
40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: mmlist at mikephillips.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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> 
> 






From mdunston at music.vt.edu  Fri Feb 13 16:58:57 2004
From: mdunston at music.vt.edu (michael dunston)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:58:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] single list has ceased delivery and nothing in
	error log
In-Reply-To: <402C49F9.2070606@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <r02010100-1032-8867FD385E3D11D8A714000A95A0C78A@[192.168.1.12]>

tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp, 10:52 PM (+0900) Friday, February 13, 2004:

> > 
> > I have updated to 2.1.4, applied the scrubber.py.patch and run
> > bin/check_perms -f and bin/unshunt.  This list is still 'stuck'
> > (not delivering messages) yet there is nothing being logged in
> > logs/error anymore.  Any suggestions would be greatly
> > appreciated.  THanks..
> 
> Do not forget bin/mailmanctl restart. if it's not still in
> qfiles/shunt, then the message was processed. (if it is sent to
> digest.mbox or archive, then it is not delivered)

Thank you for the information and suggestions.  I have restarted
everything several times.  This one list is still not delivering mail
and the error log remains empty. 

The strange things is that normal admin notices and auto-responses for
messages being sent to the list are being generated and mailed (in smtp
log) but the messages themselves are not being delivered or archived.
Where else aside from the error log could I look to troubleshoot this
sort of failure of a single list? 

Also, where would I look to find the queue that contains all of the
recent posts that are not being delivered?  I've looked in in qfiles/*
and lists/THELIST and cant find any of the messages sent to the list.
thanks again for the help and suggestions.


-- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
-- Michael Dunston
-- Music and Technology
-- <http://www.music.vt.edu>
-- Virginia Tech School of the Arts



From webmasterone at newtechnologies2000.com  Fri Feb 13 19:38:42 2004
From: webmasterone at newtechnologies2000.com (Richard D. Dover)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:38:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing of archive index.html file lost after post
Message-ID: <05ff01c3f260$9b716cf0$0e00a8c0@newtech>

I edited the archive index.html folder for my mailing list. I also
edited the date.html and subject.html to have the appearance I
wanted. Everything looked good until there was a post.

When a post is made to the list all my data is erased and the
archive index.html, date.html, and subject.html went back to
default.

Why is this?

How can I change the archive files to look the way I want?




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb 13 19:43:40 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:43:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Text Attachments
In-Reply-To: <E1Arejx-0004fX-U7@ohio.stageserver.net>
References: <E1Arejx-0004fX-U7@ohio.stageserver.net>
Message-ID: <p06002091bc52cadc0757@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:56 AM -0500 2004/02/13, Mike Phillips wrote:

>  As usual, my question is not clear. I'm referring to the tiny 200 byte
>  or so footer that accompanies posts. I'm a newbie, so I don't know how
>  to turn off footers, but I will try to learn how. Since MM is on my
>  shared server, I wonder whether I have sufficient access to enable me
>  to turn off footers.

	That's a problem with the way HTML messages have a plaintext 
footer attached to them.  It's very difficult to do this in a 
completely transparent way -- you basically have to build a complete 
web client into the mailing list software so that you can figure out 
just the right place to insert the additional information, then you 
have to decide which web browser you're going to emulate and which 
ones you're going to kiss off.

	Unfortunately, some HTML clients don't deal well with the way 
this is handled in Mailman, and they treat the footer as a separate 
attachment.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb 13 19:48:07 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:48:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how i make recipients think they're not on a list?
In-Reply-To: <1076653810.4086.245.camel@solarstorm.internode.com.au>
References: <r02010100-1032-351CEFF65DD611D8A714000A95A0C78A@[192.168.1.12]>
	<1076653810.4086.245.camel@solarstorm.internode.com.au>
Message-ID: <p06002092bc52cb64275f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:00 PM +1030 2004/02/13, Dat Bui wrote:

>  we have a customer that doesn't want subscribers to think that
>  they're on a list. They want to do this because they think it'll
>  be more personal. *shrugs*

	Basically, you don't.  If they really insist on this kind of 
behaviour, have them send the message once for each recipient, direct 
from their mail client to the recipient.

>  he's using M$ Outlook and this is what he sees;
>
>      From: Brett McDonald <brett.mcdonald at blah.com.au>
>      To: 'Rwip' <rwip at blah.com.au> by way of rwip-bounces at lists.blah.com.au
>      Subject: FW:9th Test
>      Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:00:00 +1030
>
>  I have two questions;
>  1. is it possible to make the To: field have the recepient address?

	Not within Mailman, so far as I know.

>  2. is there a way to get rid of the "by way of" in the To: field?

	That's caused by the way that M$ Outhouse mis-interprets certain headers.

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Feb 13 20:59:13 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:59:13 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing of archive index.html file lost after post
In-Reply-To: <05ff01c3f260$9b716cf0$0e00a8c0@newtech>
References: <05ff01c3f260$9b716cf0$0e00a8c0@newtech>
Message-ID: <18D11FE3-5E5F-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 13 Feb 2004, at 18:38, Richard D. Dover wrote:

> I edited the archive index.html folder for my mailing list. I also
> edited the date.html and subject.html to have the appearance I
> wanted. Everything looked good until there was a post.
>
> When a post is made to the list all my data is erased and the
> archive index.html, date.html, and subject.html went back to
> default.
>
> Why is this?
>

Because these pages are generated dynamically by Mailman when the 
underlying data changes, such as when a new post to the list is 
archived or the archive is rebuilt, so your hand edits to these pages 
are inevitably, and predictably, being lost.

> How can I change the archive files to look the way I want?
>

By changing the templates used to generate the things of interest to 
you. The default templates live in the directory structure underneath 
$prefix/Mailman/templates. The actual template file used for a given 
list is dynamically chosen per the following algorithm; the comments 
are quoted from $prefix/Mailman/Uils.py:

<quote>
     # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 
places
     # that are searched, in this order:
     #
     # 1. the list-specific language directory
     #    lists/<listname>/<language>
     #
     # 2. the domain-specific language directory
     #    templates/<list.host_name>/<language>
     #
     # 3. the site-wide language directory
     #    templates/site/<language>
     #
     # 4. the global default language directory
     #    templates/<language>
     #
     # The first match found stops the search.  In this way, you can 
specialize
     # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
     # templates, you don't need to change anything.  You should never 
modify
     # files in the templates/<language> subdirectory, since Mailman will
     # overwrite these when you upgrade.  That's what the templates/site
     # language directories are for.
     #
     # A further complication is that the language to search for is 
determined
     # by both the `lang' and `mlist' arguments.  The search order there 
is
     # that if lang is given, then the 4 locations above are searched,
     # substituting lang for <language>.  If no match is found, and 
mlist is
     # given, then the 4 locations are searched using the list's 
preferred
     # language.  After that, the server default language is used for
     # <language>.  If that still doesn't yield a template, then the 
standard
     # distribution's English language template is used as an ultimate
     # fallback.  If that's missing you've got big problems. ;)
     #
</quote>

Note that you should not make changes to the default templates under 
the $prefix/Mailman/templates directory as those changes will be lost 
when you next upgrade Mailman; put your changed templates under 
$prefix/templates/site/ if, for instance, you want them to apply to all 
lists on your server in place of the defaults. Or put them in host or 
list specific directories as described above. Templates in these 
locations are not changed by a Mailman upgrade.

Note that for performance reasons the templates are cached by the 
various qrunners while they are running. As a consquence you need to 
use mailmanctl restart after changing templates so that the qrunners 
will pick up the new versions from disk and incorporate them into their 
caches.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From poneill at valista.com  Fri Feb 13 22:00:47 2004
From: poneill at valista.com (Paul O'Neill)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:00:47 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web admin interface not saving changes
In-Reply-To: <20040212231639.GR25704@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <01ca01c3f274$74a2f2b0$0201a8c0@ie.valista.com>

Todd,

 thanks for the hint, we were in fact redirecting requests to https. So
we used  bin/withlist -l -r fix_url on each list to make the base URL
https instead of http. We also set the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN =
'https://%s/mailman/' and this sorted the issue.

 I think this is one for the FAQ

paul.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd [mailto:Freedom_Lover at pobox.com] 
Sent: 12 February 2004 23:17
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web admin interface not saving changes


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Paul O'Neill wrote:
>  we recently installed mailman version 2.1.4. Installation went fine 
> until we tried to use the web interface to add members to the mailing 
> lists that we created. After submitting the changes the lists were not

> updated with the new members. We then realised that although we could 
> read all the settings we actually couldn't make any changes through 
> the interface.
>
>  Everything  works fine using the /usr/local/mailman/bin tools we can 
> add members, make changes to lists etc but we need to get the admin 
> interface working so we can allow other users to maintain their lists.
>
>  We have ensured that we have cookies turned on etc. Nothing is logged

> in the mailman log files and apache shows nothing curious either. I've

> checked through the mailman lists and generally around google and seen

> a couple of other similar issues but nothing with a real resolution.

Are you doing any http redirects by chance?  That's one of the most
common reasons for the admin interface acting this way.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Bureaucracy is the enemy of innovation.
    -- Mark Shepherd, former President and CEO of Texas Instruments

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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Fri Feb 13 22:29:36 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com ('Todd')
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:29:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web admin interface not saving changes
In-Reply-To: <01ca01c3f274$74a2f2b0$0201a8c0@ie.valista.com>
References: <20040212231639.GR25704@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	<01ca01c3f274$74a2f2b0$0201a8c0@ie.valista.com>
Message-ID: <20040213212936.GA25704@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Paul O'Neill wrote:
> Todd,
>
> thanks for the hint, we were in fact redirecting requests to https.
> So we used  bin/withlist -l -r fix_url on each list to make the base
> URL https instead of http. We also set the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN =
> 'https://%s/mailman/' and this sorted the issue.

Cool.  Not a problem.

> I think this is one for the FAQ

If it's not there already (I'm too busy/too lazy to check at the
moment), feel free to add it.  The FAQ is self serve.  You'd be doing
us all a favor if you helped someone else solve this problem with a
quick read of the FAQ. :)

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
To succeed, jump as quickly at opportunities as you do at conclusions.
    -- Benjamin Franklin

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From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Feb 13 23:36:38 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:36:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: editing of archive index.html file lost after
	post
In-Reply-To: <E1AriqE-0004Hs-U4@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AriqE-0004Hs-U4@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040213163019.04bc0ce0@127.0.0.1>

Richard D. Dover wrote:
>I edited the archive index.html folder for my mailing list. I also
>edited the date.html and subject.html to have the appearance I
>wanted. Everything looked good until there was a post.
>
>When a post is made to the list all my data is erased and the
>archive index.html, date.html, and subject.html went back to
>default.
>
>Why is this?

      You are editing cached versions of the pages - this is done for 
performance.

>How can I change the archive files to look the way I want?

      Create the desired templates in the language sub directory for the 
list.  For me this is /usr/local/mailman/lists/<listname>/en .  You may 
have to create the language directory.  You can import the default template 
from /usr/local/mailman/templates/<language> .

<>< Paul





From aaron at housechurch.org  Sat Feb 14 03:36:24 2004
From: aaron at housechurch.org (Aaron Anderson)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:36:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happens to returned mail?
Message-ID: <E1ArpfY-0001bK-00@grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net>


   Hi all,

Returned messages from Mailman are not turning up in my dead.letter file 
nor do I receive sperate email notices of returned mail.

Do I have to turn off bounce processing in order to track down returned 
mail?

I need the header info of a returned message. Thanks!

   Aaron Anderson   
   http://housechurch.org



From paul at fpen.org  Sat Feb 14 04:54:59 2004
From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:54:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching to MacOSX
Message-ID: <8F2CBF90-5EA1-11D8-A0BA-000A957B22DE@fpen.org>

I am currently using Mailman on Redhat 8.0 and to be honest it was a 
pain for me to get that to work with the redHat version of htDig which 
as it turns out was a beta version released as 3.2.  I am not looking 
to start a religious war but am considering switching to MacOSX Server 
from RedHat.  My current hardware is on its last legs and RH8 is no 
longer supported.  From the perspective of Mailman and htDig, am I 
making a mistake?  I think server comes with MM2.1.2  I doubt it comes 
with htDig.  I am marginally skilled with RH Linux and BSD.  Will be 
easier or more difficult to configure MM and htDig on the Mac than RH.  
I run only a handful of lists that have 50 to 500 users.

Paul
--
Paul Kleeberg
paul at fpen.org




From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Sat Feb 14 04:59:37 2004
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:59:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching to MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <8F2CBF90-5EA1-11D8-A0BA-000A957B22DE@fpen.org>
References: <8F2CBF90-5EA1-11D8-A0BA-000A957B22DE@fpen.org>
Message-ID: <353B2850-5EA2-11D8-ADC3-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>

On Feb 13, 2004, at 9:54 PM, Paul Kleeberg wrote:
> Will be easier or more difficult to configure MM and htDig on the Mac 
> than RH.  I run only a handful of lists that have 50 to 500 users.
>

I can't speak to RH, but I found Mailman and htDig to be fairly easy to 
install from source and configure under OS X Server. I haven't used 
Apple's default install of MM 2.1.2 since I'm still using 10.2.

Dan




From hutchlists at midwales.com  Sat Feb 14 14:12:18 2004
From: hutchlists at midwales.com (Bob Hutchinson)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:12:18 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching to MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <8F2CBF90-5EA1-11D8-A0BA-000A957B22DE@fpen.org>
References: <8F2CBF90-5EA1-11D8-A0BA-000A957B22DE@fpen.org>
Message-ID: <402E1EB2.8000608@midwales.com>



Paul Kleeberg wrote:
> I am currently using Mailman on Redhat 8.0 and to be honest it was a 
> pain for me to get that to work with the redHat version of htDig which 
> as it turns out was a beta version released as 3.2.  I am not looking to 
> start a religious war but am considering switching to MacOSX Server from 
> RedHat.  My current hardware is on its last legs and RH8 is no longer 
> supported.  From the perspective of Mailman and htDig, am I making a 
> mistake?  I think server comes with MM2.1.2  I doubt it comes with 
> htDig.  I am marginally skilled with RH Linux and BSD.  Will be easier 
> or more difficult to configure MM and htDig on the Mac than RH.  I run 
> only a handful of lists that have 50 to 500 users.

You might like to consider Debian, easy install and a fully supported 
upgrade path, especially on security fixes. RH wants to go corporate, 
good for the suits but not for me. Mailman runs fine, with qmail.

> 
> Paul
> -- 
> Paul Kleeberg
> paul at fpen.org
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
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> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: hutchlists at midwales.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/hutchlists%40midwales.com 
> 
> 
> 




From markjreed at mail.com  Sat Feb 14 18:57:55 2004
From: markjreed at mail.com (Mark J. Reed)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:57:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing archived pages?
Message-ID: <20040214175755.GB6977@mulan.thereeds.org>

Hey, is there any way to customize the HTML templates for the archives
on a per-list basis?  I tried copying arch*html into
.../lists/list-name/en and editing them, but the next time the archiver
ran the output was generic.

-Mark



From adam at rosi-kessel.org  Sat Feb 14 19:22:54 2004
From: adam at rosi-kessel.org (Adam Kessel)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:22:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cpu usage
In-Reply-To: <4022C348.2090301@RObruth.com>
Message-ID: <20040214182253.GA2041@joehill.bostoncoop.net>

> I have scoured the archives and google for answer to my problem but
> none of the fixes I have found seem to work. I have mailman 2-1.1-91
> installed w/ postfix 1.1.12-12 on a Suse 8.2 box and qrunner/python is
> eating the cpu. Most of the posts I read describe this as a postfix
> problem and to change my local delivery code to 550 which I did but it
> hasn't helped. The system runs fine for a while but after a few hours
> qrunner/python cpu usage goes through the roof. In most cases this is
> with less than five emails in the queue.

I've got a similar situation here.  I'm running Debian sid: mailman
2.1.4-1 and postfix 1.1.11-0.woody3.  qrunner CPU usage seems to go
between 50-90%, and I'm not running any large lists (either in
subscribers or frequency of postings).  The machine should have
sufficient resources: 200M RAM and a PII 450MHz CPU.

Any ideas how to make mailman load more manageable?

I also noticed this Debian bug report, which suggests that there's
nothing that can be done:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=218983
-- 
Adam Kessel
http://adam.rosi-kessel.org



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat Feb 14 21:07:58 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:07:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing archived pages?
In-Reply-To: <20040214175755.GB6977@mulan.thereeds.org>
References: <20040214175755.GB6977@mulan.thereeds.org>
Message-ID: <p06002000bc5430846af5@[172.29.253.253]>

At 12:57 PM -0500 2004/02/14, Mark J. Reed wrote:

>  Hey, is there any way to customize the HTML templates for the archives
>  on a per-list basis?  I tried copying arch*html into
>  .../lists/list-name/en and editing them, but the next time the archiver
>  ran the output was generic.

	Try copying templates/en/* to lists/listname/en/.

-- 
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From paul at thcwd.com  Sat Feb 14 21:44:51 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:44:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Customizing archived pages?
In-Reply-To: <E1As4Ul-0001FO-2i@mail.python.org>
References: <E1As4Ul-0001FO-2i@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040214144142.01f38ec0@127.0.0.1>

Mark wrote:
>Hey, is there any way to customize the HTML templates for the archives
>on a per-list basis?  I tried copying arch*html into
>.../lists/list-name/en and editing them, but the next time the archiver
>ran the output was generic.

      You need to restart mailman <prefix>/mailman bin/mailmanctl restart 
.  Old posts will not change unless you redo the archives.

<>< Paul





From lists at lastonepicked.com  Sat Feb 14 22:58:59 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:58:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Not Delivered to All List Members
Message-ID: <BC53DA23.FE93B%lists@lastonepicked.com>

Hello. We are running 2.1.1 on RH7.2.

We have a list with 27,000 members. It is an announce type list, only the
moderator posts to it.

Yesterday he posted his first message to the list.

The message was delivered to some list members but not all (for instance he
didn't get it but I did).

I am trying to troubleshoot this but I'm not sure where to start.

1. How can I tell who didn't get the message? It might help point out a
pattern.

2. Any ideas what happened?

Any help is appreciated.

Hunter




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun Feb 15 01:45:41 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:45:41 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Not Delivered to All List Members
In-Reply-To: <BC53DA23.FE93B%lists@lastonepicked.com>
References: <BC53DA23.FE93B%lists@lastonepicked.com>
Message-ID: <47CB584C-5F50-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 14 Feb 2004, at 21:58, Hunter Hillegas wrote:

> Hello. We are running 2.1.1 on RH7.2.
>
> We have a list with 27,000 members. It is an announce type list, only 
> the
> moderator posts to it.
>
> Yesterday he posted his first message to the list.
>
> The message was delivered to some list members but not all (for 
> instance he
> didn't get it but I did).
>
> I am trying to troubleshoot this but I'm not sure where to start.
>
> 1. How can I tell who didn't get the message? It might help point out a
> pattern.
>

Try checking the Mailman (typically $prefix/logs/) and MTA (typically 
/var/log/mail) logs. Using message-ids to correlate log entries you 
should be able to track an incoming message from the MTA's mail log to 
the Mailman post log, then via the Mailman smtp log for the outgoing 
distribution back to the MTA mail log. You may find evidence of 
problems in any of those logs and also in Mailman's smtp-failure, error 
and bounce logs. If you have a copy of a message that made it through 
the system and back out again then the Received: headers will give you 
some idea of what happened for that instance of the message at least 
and might offer hints as to your problem.

You can also take a look at the contents of the subdirectories of 
$prefix/qfiles/ This may give you some idea of Mailman's 
"work-in-progress".

> 2. Any ideas what happened?
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Hunter




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Feb 15 02:34:07 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Feb 2004 20:34:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cpu usage
In-Reply-To: <20040214182253.GA2041@joehill.bostoncoop.net>
References: <20040214182253.GA2041@joehill.bostoncoop.net>
Message-ID: <1076808847.3173.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

There are a lot of items that can cause this.  
 - Using "top" look at the qrunners process ID's and see which ones are
eating the most cpu time. 
 - Now use "ps aux" on a *wide* terminal so you can see which qrunner is
associated with the high cpu process ID

Each of the qrunners is launched with its specific job:
   qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
   qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
   qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
   qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
   qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
 

What is your Qrunner_Sleep_Time set to in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or
Defaults.py)? The default of 1 normally works well.

  QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1)

Are you getting any errors in any of your log files when Mailman is
crunching on the mails? Once the mails are crunched and processed, do
the qrunner processes stay high, or drop down again?

If I can get enough data points on this problem I'll try to write up an
FAQ to cover it and the various places to explore.

Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 13:22, Adam Kessel wrote:
> > I have scoured the archives and google for answer to my problem but
> > none of the fixes I have found seem to work. I have mailman 2-1.1-91
> > installed w/ postfix 1.1.12-12 on a Suse 8.2 box and qrunner/python is
> > eating the cpu. Most of the posts I read describe this as a postfix
> > problem and to change my local delivery code to 550 which I did but it
> > hasn't helped. The system runs fine for a while but after a few hours
> > qrunner/python cpu usage goes through the roof. In most cases this is
> > with less than five emails in the queue.
> 
> I've got a similar situation here.  I'm running Debian sid: mailman
> 2.1.4-1 and postfix 1.1.11-0.woody3.  qrunner CPU usage seems to go
> between 50-90%, and I'm not running any large lists (either in
> subscribers or frequency of postings).  The machine should have
> sufficient resources: 200M RAM and a PII 450MHz CPU.
> 
> Any ideas how to make mailman load more manageable?
> 
> I also noticed this Debian bug report, which suggests that there's
> nothing that can be done:
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=218983




From adam at rosi-kessel.org  Sun Feb 15 05:44:44 2004
From: adam at rosi-kessel.org (Adam Kessel)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:44:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cpu usage
In-Reply-To: <1076808847.3173.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20040214182253.GA2041@joehill.bostoncoop.net>
	<1076808847.3173.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040215044444.GB1156@joehill.bostoncoop.net>

Thanks for the reply:

On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 08:34:07PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Each of the qrunners is launched with its specific job:

The qrunner which is using 98% of CPU is ArchRunner.

> What is your Qrunner_Sleep_Time set to in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or
> Defaults.py)? The default of 1 normally works well.
>   QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1)

Sleep time is set to default--seconds(1).

> Are you getting any errors in any of your log files when Mailman is
> crunching on the mails? Once the mails are crunched and processed, do
> the qrunner processes stay high, or drop down again?

No errors or warnings that I can see.  It looks like CPU use is pretty
consistently in the 60%-100% range no matter what is going on.  And none
of the lists I'm serving get that much traffic--I haven't done an exact
analysis, but I don't think we're talking about more than a few emails
per hour.  Most of the lists are a few dozen people, just a couple are a
few hundred.

> If I can get enough data points on this problem I'll try to write up an
> FAQ to cover it and the various places to explore.

Let me know what else I can try to track down the problem.

> Jon Carnes
-- 
Adam Kessel
http://adam.rosi-kessel.org



From hutchlists at midwales.com  Sun Feb 15 13:08:11 2004
From: hutchlists at midwales.com (Bob Hutchinson)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:08:11 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching to MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <957A1DF1-5EF4-11D8-A0BA-000A957B22DE@fpen.org>
References: <8F2CBF90-5EA1-11D8-A0BA-000A957B22DE@fpen.org>
	<402E1EB2.8000608@midwales.com>
	<957A1DF1-5EF4-11D8-A0BA-000A957B22DE@fpen.org>
Message-ID: <402F612B.7070705@midwales.com>



Paul Kleeberg wrote:
> Well I downloaded Debian and installed it on a machine and then was  
> kind of stuck.  I am not a Unix admin by trade and RH has enough GUI  
> tools (or at least I invested enough sweat into it that I learned just  
> what I needed to know - no more) that I am able to configure that.   
> With Debian, I could not get Xwindows running locally and for some  
> reason was flaky when I tried firing it up remotely.

Xwindows is a client tool and will not help much in configuration, and 
there are security issues. Instead, install Webmin from http://webmin.com
That will give you all the tools to configure Linux

Debian has dselect which is their answer to up2date. It maintains a 
database on the machine and adding/removing packages is very simple and 
there is help built in. If this box is to be a server, then you don't 
want any GUI on there at all, just use Webmin. Apache, php, Perl, Python 
and Mysql will all run out-of-the-box, and if your email demands aren't 
too great just use the default Sendmail install, webmin has a good 
frontend for Sendmail and the same goes for Apache and Mysql. Creating 
users/groups, setting up cronjobs, aliases, viewing/editing files etc 
can all be done with Webmin.

> 
> I have left it sit because using vi (never learned emacs) to manage all  
> of the configuration would be more of a investment in time than I am  
> willing to spend.

vi is not very intuitive I know but you don't need it, Webmin will do it 
all. vi is good for remote editing and is a quick way to just tweak a 
config file but as a writing tool its just too clunky.

> 
> I also got spoiled by RH updates.  I could do it remotely using the  
> up2date and all necessary rpms would be magically installed.  I am  
> clueless as to how to do something like that with debian.

dselect...

> 
> Am I off base?

Try again, just install what you need by way of server software, plus 
Webmin, which comes with Debian BTW.

I'm new to Mailman myself, but it installed on Debian OK, and the config 
is the same whichever Linux distro you use. I test things out on a local 
development box, a P166 with a 100meg or so of memory, get things going 
on there and copy the files over once I'm satisfied, using scp, rsync or 
ftp. I'm using Bill Shupp's Qmail toaster from http://shupp.org for my 
mail, including antivirus and spam protection. Mailman comes with a 
script and enough help to get it going. I haven't tackled the htDig 
stuff yet, but it's on the list of TODO's ;-)

> 
> I am a family doc in my day (and night) job and I do this server thing  
> as a service to the community - a donation of money and time.  Of money  
> I have some.  Of time I have little.

I do understand. Although I earn my living as a sysadmin for various 
local SP's I also get involved with community stuff when called upon to 
do so.

Hope this helps...

> 
> I would welcome more of your thoughts.
> 
> Paul
> -- 
> Paul Kleeberg
> paul at fpen.org
> 
> 
> On Feb 14, 2004, at 7:12 AM, Bob Hutchinson wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> Paul Kleeberg wrote:
>>
>>> I am currently using Mailman on Redhat 8.0 and to be honest it was a  
>>> pain for me to get that to work with the redHat version of htDig  
>>> which as it turns out was a beta version released as 3.2.  I am not  
>>> looking to start a religious war but am considering switching to  
>>> MacOSX Server from RedHat.  My current hardware is on its last legs  
>>> and RH8 is no longer supported.  From the perspective of Mailman and  
>>> htDig, am I making a mistake?  I think server comes with MM2.1.2  I  
>>> doubt it comes with htDig.  I am marginally skilled with RH Linux 
>>> and  BSD.  Will be easier or more difficult to configure MM and htDig 
>>> on  the Mac than RH.  I run only a handful of lists that have 50 to 
>>> 500  users.
>>
>>
>> You might like to consider Debian, easy install and a fully supported  
>> upgrade path, especially on security fixes. RH wants to go corporate,  
>> good for the suits but not for me. Mailman runs fine, with qmail.
>>
>>> Paul
>>> --  Paul Kleeberg
>>> paul at fpen.org
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>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>> Searchable Archives:  
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
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> 
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From paul.hutchings at mira.co.uk  Sun Feb 15 13:19:21 2004
From: paul.hutchings at mira.co.uk (Paul Hutchings)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:19:21 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fresh install questions
Message-ID: <6310F5B53FA7914EB4576EBAE617537D01690CF9@mail01.mira.co.uk>

First post, hopefully I've done my homework but there's a lot of
docs/settings and I'd like a quick sanity check :-)

I've a Suse 9.0 box called hostname.mydomain.com and have installed mailman
and apache (1.3.28-) from the Suse rpms, so
http://host.mydomain.com/mailman/whatever works as does mail in/out of
mailman.

My main concern is that I'm running apache/mailman/postfix on a box called
"hostname.mydomain.com" and for mailman lists I'd sooner use
"lists.mydomain.com".

I can do the following and it appears to work:

Add A and MX records for lists.mydomain.com in DNS pointing to the IP of
host.mydomain.com

Add lists.mydomain.com to the 'mydomain' variable in postfix and add
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases to 'alias_maps' in postfix

Change lists.mydomain.com to the default in mailmans mm_cfg.py config file
so I have these options:

DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'lists.mydomain.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.mydomain.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.mydomain.com'
DEFAULT_URL = 'http://lists.mydomain.com/mailman/'
MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias'
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap'
DELIVERY_MODUL = 'SMTPDirect'
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1

Now, having done that everything _appears_ to work - seems too easy so I'd
sooner ask now than start using the thing and run into some foul hiccup that
means I have to start over!

regards
Paul
-- 
paul <at> spamcop.net



From apatters at intuitart.net  Sun Feb 15 18:27:09 2004
From: apatters at intuitart.net (Andrew Patterson)
Date: 15 Feb 2004 13:27:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribed but not subscribed
Message-ID: <1076866028.2278.24.camel@pirsdesk>

Hi,

I have a mailing list where someone subscribed via email, received the
confirmation request, replied to the confirmation request, received the
welcome message, but ... they never showed up as a subscriber.

Any suggestions on how to get to the bottom of this one?

Other users have been able to subscribe to the same list just fine. So
far only one user has been unsuccessful, but even one makes me uneasy
about depending on Mailman.

Running Mailman 2.1.4, Python 2.2.2-26, RH9

Thx for any insights,

Andrew P.




From atropos at fates.org  Sun Feb 15 21:00:57 2004
From: atropos at fates.org (David B. O'Donnell)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:00:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching to MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <8F2CBF90-5EA1-11D8-A0BA-000A957B22DE@fpen.org>
References: <8F2CBF90-5EA1-11D8-A0BA-000A957B22DE@fpen.org>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1076857257@mrspeel.fates.org>

On Friday, 13 February 2004 9:54 PM -0600, Paul Kleeberg <paul at fpen.org> 
wrote:

> I am currently using Mailman on Redhat 8.0 and to be honest it was a pain
> for me to get that to work with the redHat version of htDig which as it
> turns out was a beta version released as 3.2.  I am not looking to start a
> religious war but am considering switching to MacOSX Server from RedHat.
> My current hardware is on its last legs and RH8 is no longer supported.
> From the perspective of Mailman and htDig, am I making a mistake?  I think
> server comes with MM2.1.2  I doubt it comes with htDig.  I am marginally
> skilled with RH Linux and BSD.  Will be easier or more difficult to
> configure MM and htDig on the Mac than RH.  I run only a handful of lists
> that have 50 to 500 users.

Setting Mailman up on Mac OS X Server is a breeze. I wrote a couple of 
articles on it for AFP548.com, though if you have had success on RedHat you 
probably won't need them :)

Coincidentally, I upgraded my Server from 10.2 to 10.3 yesterday. Migrating 
mailman consisted of:

symlinking my original ~mailman directory to /var/mailman (My installation 
goes WAY back)
re-running check-perms -f a few times

After that, my existing lists popped up in Server Admin right off the bat. 
You still have access to configuration via the Web interface, which is 
HIGHLY recommended because their GUI is basically limited to making a new 
list and managing user subscriptions.

-- 
David B. O'Donnell - atropos at fates.org - www.fates.org
Help cats in need: http://www.fancycats.org/
"Thoughtful consumption is the enemy of marketing."
  -- Scott Hazen Mueller



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Feb 16 04:34:16 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 15 Feb 2004 22:34:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cpu usage
In-Reply-To: <20040215044444.GB1156@joehill.bostoncoop.net>
References: <20040214182253.GA2041@joehill.bostoncoop.net>
	<1076808847.3173.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040215044444.GB1156@joehill.bostoncoop.net>
Message-ID: <1076902456.3180.67.camel@localhost.localdomain>

So ArchRunner is the one... not too surprising.  And the other Qrunners
are all behaving themselves?

# ps aux |grep python
/usr/bin/python ./mailmanctl start
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s


You should upgrade to the latest version of Mailman, it does fix some
problems with the ArchRunner.  

If you can't upgrade just yet, you could comment out the archrunner from
running. Copy the following from your ~mailman/Mailman/Default.py file:

 QRUNNERS = [
    ('ArchRunner',     1), # messages for the archiver
    ('BounceRunner',   1), # for processing the qfile/bounces directory
    ('CommandRunner',  1), # commands and bounces from the outside world
    ('IncomingRunner', 1), # posts from the outside world
    ('NewsRunner',     1), # outgoing messages to the nntpd
    ('OutgoingRunner', 1), # outgoing messages to the smtpd
    ('VirginRunner',   1), # internally crafted (virgin birth) messages
    ('RetryRunner',    1), # retry temporarily failed deliveries
    ]

And paste it into your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_py.cfg file, then delete the
line with ArchRunner:

    ('ArchRunner',     1), # messages for the archiver

Now when you run "mailmanctl start" the ArchRunner won't be started by
default.  If you have lists that need archiving, then you can run the
ArchRunner separately via a cron job out of the cron table for user
"mailman".

#Start-up Mailman's ArchRunner archiving process at 8pm...
0 20 * * *  /usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner
--runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s

#Stop Mailman's ArchRunner archving process at 6am...
0 6 * * *  ps aux |grep ArchRunner |grep -v grep |cut -c9-15 |xargs kill

===
I'm curious if your lists are actually being archived?  Are the messages
making it into the archives?

Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 23:44, Adam Kessel wrote:
> Thanks for the reply:
> 
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 08:34:07PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > Each of the qrunners is launched with its specific job:
> 
> The qrunner which is using 98% of CPU is ArchRunner.
> 
> > What is your Qrunner_Sleep_Time set to in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or
> > Defaults.py)? The default of 1 normally works well.
> >   QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1)
> 
> Sleep time is set to default--seconds(1).
> 
> > Are you getting any errors in any of your log files when Mailman is
> > crunching on the mails? Once the mails are crunched and processed, do
> > the qrunner processes stay high, or drop down again?
> 
> No errors or warnings that I can see.  It looks like CPU use is pretty
> consistently in the 60%-100% range no matter what is going on.  And none
> of the lists I'm serving get that much traffic--I haven't done an exact
> analysis, but I don't think we're talking about more than a few emails
> per hour.  Most of the lists are a few dozen people, just a couple are a
> few hundred.
> 
> > If I can get enough data points on this problem I'll try to write up an
> > FAQ to cover it and the various places to explore.
> 
> Let me know what else I can try to track down the problem.
> 
> > Jon Carnes




From alblack at achilles.net  Mon Feb 16 06:48:42 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:48:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 quick log files question
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040216004109.02bad5f0@pop.achilles.net>

Hi gang,

2 quick questions.

Just confirming what looks evident from the faq, but is it necessary to 
create the new log files, or will mailman automatically create one if it 
tries to append to file if it isn't there?

Secondly, I have savelogs available rather than Eric Toran's logrotate.  If 
anyone else is using savelogs on a FreeBSD, I'd be interested in hearing 
your experience especially in regard to the timing of mailmanctl stopping 
and starting.

Thanks in advance.

al




From andrew at clinicdesign.com.au  Mon Feb 16 06:54:09 2004
From: andrew at clinicdesign.com.au (Andrew Barter)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:24:09 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help - urgent
Message-ID: <ACB58D7EB1318947B319C01D1A5C38633F7596@neo.spud.com>

A lot of the mail that the mailman sends out is getting rejected, because the sending email address has a domain which is unknown.

(kojoworld-admin at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx>: Sender address rejected: Domain not found)

Above the xxx is our IP address.

Any ideas on how to change the sending address so that it used a proper domain?
Any info would be great.

Thankyou.

Andrew.



From EPublisher at racp.edu.au  Mon Feb 16 06:58:10 2004
From: EPublisher at racp.edu.au (E Publisher)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:58:10 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] inserting fields into a message
Message-ID: <s030f6aa.094@macqnw2.racp.edu.au>

Hi, 

I've installed mailman to use as a mailing list (as opposed a
discussion list) and I want to do something similar to what can be done
in, say, Outlook when sending bulk emails and merging in data fields.

Specifically, I want mailman to automatically insert the subscriber's
email address into the body or footer of my message. Is it possible to
insert a field in this way?

Thanks, 
B.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Feb 16 07:56:02 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Feb 2004 01:56:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help - urgent
In-Reply-To: <ACB58D7EB1318947B319C01D1A5C38633F7596@neo.spud.com>
References: <ACB58D7EB1318947B319C01D1A5C38633F7596@neo.spud.com>
Message-ID: <1076914562.3180.198.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 00:54, Andrew Barter wrote:
> A lot of the mail that the mailman sends out is getting rejected, because the sending email address has a domain which is unknown.
> 
> (kojoworld-admin at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx>: Sender address rejected: Domain not found)
> 
> Above the xxx is our IP address.
> 
> Any ideas on how to change the sending address so that it used a proper domain?
> Any info would be great.
> 
> Thankyou.
> 
> Andrew.

This is in the FAQ (and of course the archives).  You need to properly
setup your virtual hosts in the mm_cfg.py file and then use the
"withlist" application to change you lists server information.
 
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From del at obsidian.com  Mon Feb 16 10:01:28 2004
From: del at obsidian.com (donnie)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 04:01:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compilation under Solaris 9 /Sparc problems....
References: <20040211231729.7F7D3137A6@mail.insecurity.org>
Message-ID: <403086E8.2000801@obsidian.com>

Hello ..

..and thank for those who responded......the culprit was indeed the 
Python installation.....I was able to get everything working with a 
local compiled/installed version of Python 2.2.3......and my setting the 
system library path to include path "/usr/local/lib"..

After much struggling, everything appears to work although I will check 
the FAQ to determine how to get more member ship listing(20 at a 
time..simular to my Mailman 2.0.8 installation) per page....

But, it works!!!

thanks to all who responded....it was very much appreciated....

regards,
donnie


>>Have anyone compiled/installed MailMan under Solaris 9/Ultra-5/GCC3.3???
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Yes, this past weekend on an Ultra 10 w/Sol9
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Here is the result of an error msg during compilation::
>>
>>
>>Traceback (most recent call last):
>>File "bin/update", line 47, in ?
>>  from Mailman import Utils
>>File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ?
>>  import cgi
>>File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ?
>>  import urllib
>>File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
>>  import socket
>>File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
>>  from _socket import *
>>ImportError: No module named _socket
>>*** Error code 1
>>make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `update'
>>bash-2.05#
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>
>Yes - are you using the pythin from sunfreeware.com ???
>
>Try to just build python from scratch.
>
>
>I was going to attach some ramblings from my recent successful build - but I 
>seem to have mis placed them - Ill try to recreate from memory.
>
>Grrrrr.  Sorry.
>
>Sx
>  
>



From umberto.modotti at dimi.uniud.it  Fri Feb 13 01:15:26 2004
From: umberto.modotti at dimi.uniud.it (Umberto Modotti)
Date: Fri 13 Feb 2004  1:15:26 PM Europe/Rome
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman can't post to lists users: checkdbs script
	outputs some errors,
	messages are enqueued in qfiles directory but never exit the queue.
Message-ID: <64302692-608D-11D8-8B39-000502C1593E@dimi.uniud.it>

Mailman version: 2.0.7, installed from source distribution
OS version: Solaris SunOS 5.8 patch 108528-23
Sendmail version: 8.12.10 patched

Since 2004, February 1st, at 05:07, mailman suddenly stopped to run.

I have just seen FAQ lists, and checked things as reported in section  
3.14 (Troubleshooting: no mail going out to lists members).

1) Here are the errors reported after launching the script 'checkdbs'  
by hand
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-----
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/local/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
     main()
   File "/local/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main
     count = mlist.NumRequestsPending()
   File "/local/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in  
NumRequestsPending
     self.__opendb()
   File "/local/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
     self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

2) Here are the errors reported in ~mailman/logs/error trying to post a  
message
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-------
Feb 13 12:15:02 2004 (7103) Delivery exception: EOF read where object  
expected
Feb 13 12:15:02 2004 (7103) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/local/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82,  
in do_pipe
line
     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/local/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 140, in  
process
     hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, ModeratedPost)
   File "/local/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in  
hold_for_app
roval
     mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata)
   File "/local/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in  
HoldMessage
     self.__opendb()
   File "/local/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
     self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

3) Messages are enqueued in qfiles directory but never exit the queue
4) No other errors in log directories.

Thank you for your help.
-- 
Umberto Modotti - Responsabile Gestione Sistemi UNIX
Tel: 0432 558409   Fax: 0432 558499
Universita' degli Studi di Udine
Dipartimento di Matematica e Informatica




From adam at rosi-kessel.org  Mon Feb 16 16:42:21 2004
From: adam at rosi-kessel.org (Adam Kessel)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:42:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cpu usage
In-Reply-To: <1076902456.3180.67.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20040214182253.GA2041@joehill.bostoncoop.net>
	<1076808847.3173.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20040215044444.GB1156@joehill.bostoncoop.net>
	<1076902456.3180.67.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040216154221.GA5289@joehill.bostoncoop.net>

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 10:34:16PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> So ArchRunner is the one... not too surprising.  And the other Qrunners
> are all behaving themselves?

The rest are fine for CPU usage.

> You should upgrade to the latest version of Mailman, it does fix some
> problems with the ArchRunner.  

I'm using the latest version available in Debian, is it worth reporting
this bug to the Debian maintainer, telling him it's been fixed upstream?

> And paste it into your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_py.cfg file, then delete the
> line with ArchRunner:
>     ('ArchRunner',     1), # messages for the archiver

Thanks, that fixed the CPU problem for now.

> I'm curious if your lists are actually being archived?  Are the messages
> making it into the archives?

Yes, the archiver is working fine (aside from the CPU part!)
-- 
Adam Kessel
http://adam.rosi-kessel.org



From wahlmann at agro.uba.ar  Mon Feb 16 17:32:29 2004
From: wahlmann at agro.uba.ar (Mariano Wahlmann)
Date: 16 Feb 2004 13:32:29 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing with email interface without
	confirmation
Message-ID: <1076949149.29814.121.camel@petrus.agro.uba.ar>

How can i subscribe users without email confirmation (like mass
subscription in the web interface)? (i'm list manager).

Thanks




From mike at ftl.com  Mon Feb 16 18:56:02 2004
From: mike at ftl.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:56:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Policy
Message-ID: <200402161751.i1GHppS9007018@mail.ftl.com>

 Hi all,

 

 After a couple days of playing with this, I now have Mailman set up and
working with Sendmail using the sendmail_mailer_wrapper.

I'm having a bit of trouble with the Subscribe Policy. I currently have it
set to 'Confirm' yet if I send a subscribe request I get back a

message saying that approval is required.

 

 All the other features seem to work. I can Mass Subscribe and Single
Subscribe via the web with no problems. Archive is working.

User admin and Site admin functions are fine.

 

 Any ideas on what could cause this?

 

 Thanks,

 

 - Mike


From support at obantec.net  Mon Feb 16 19:58:57 2004
From: support at obantec.net (Obantec Support)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:58:57 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail problem
Message-ID: <15d601c3f4be$f33387b0$0a01a8c0@gamma>

Hi mailman 2.1.3

pipermail seems to give odd result when trying to download full raw archive

mhtml:http://lists.domain.co.uk/pipermail/wibble.mbox/wibble.mbox

page cannot be displayed.

Mark






From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Feb 16 22:30:26 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:30:26 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail problem
In-Reply-To: <15d601c3f4be$f33387b0$0a01a8c0@gamma>
References: <15d601c3f4be$f33387b0$0a01a8c0@gamma>
Message-ID: <5633F4B6-60C7-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 16 Feb 2004, at 18:58, Obantec Support wrote:

> Hi mailman 2.1.3
>
> pipermail seems to give odd result when trying to download full raw 
> archive
>
> mhtml:http://lists.domain.co.uk/pipermail/wibble.mbox/wibble.mbox
>

With a a properly configured MM installation this is not "pipermail 
giving funny results".

URL's of the form you note are serviced by the web server (presumably 
Apache) delivering a file called wibble.mbox from a directory 
$varprefix/archives/public/wibble.mbox/, courtesy of the /pipermail/ 
Alias definition in its httpd.conf file, to the HTTP client making the 
request.

MM's built-in archiver, pipermail, is only responsible for creating the 
.mbox file, which is plain text file, NOT acting as HTTP server.

> page cannot be displayed.
>

This problem rpeorted by a web browser could be a result of the MIME 
type the server is identifying for the .mbox file in the HTTP response 
(possible server configuration problem?) or the inability of the web 
client to handle files of that type or size (possible browser 
configuration problem ?). I would normally expect the web server to say 
it was returning a text/plain file.

> Mark
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From golson at eicc.edu  Tue Feb 17 01:00:57 2004
From: golson at eicc.edu (Olson, Gary)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:00:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "TypeError: not all arguments" converted with
	check_perms
Message-ID: <208D21E3AC92D449A31336961A46FB8701D5578E@eiccd-exch1.eiccd.net>

Hi,

I just did a new install of mailman v.2.0.13-1 on a redhat v.7.3 system.  When editing Mailman/mm_cfg.py and then running bin/check_perms, I get the following error: 
# bin/check_perms 
Traceback (innermost last):
File "bin/check_perms", line 46, in ? 
	from Mailman import mm_cfg 
File "/var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 60, in ? 
	DEFAULT_URL = '<http://www.mydomain.net/mailman/'> % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME 
TypeError: not all arguments converted 
What is causing this error? 
I'm a newbie to Mailman and Redhat so any help will be appreciated and will need to be clear and basic so I can understand it.  
Thanks for any help you can provide!
Gary





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Feb 17 02:19:21 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 01:19:21 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "TypeError: not all arguments" converted with
	check_perms
In-Reply-To: <208D21E3AC92D449A31336961A46FB8701D5578E@eiccd-exch1.eiccd.net>
References: <208D21E3AC92D449A31336961A46FB8701D5578E@eiccd-exch1.eiccd.net>
Message-ID: <50BE571E-60E7-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 17 Feb 2004, at 00:00, Olson, Gary wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just did a new install of mailman v.2.0.13-1 on a redhat v.7.3 
> system.  When editing Mailman/mm_cfg.py and then running 
> bin/check_perms, I get the following error:
> # bin/check_perms
> Traceback (innermost last):
> File "bin/check_perms", line 46, in ?
> 	from Mailman import mm_cfg
> File "/var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 60, in ?
> 	DEFAULT_URL = '<http://www.mydomain.net/mailman/'> % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

Assuming you have defined DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'www.mydomain.net', you 
probably want to say:

    DEFAULT_URL = 'http://%s/mailman/' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

Or you could say:

    DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.mydomain.net/mailman/'

But you definitely do not want to say:

    DEFAULT_URL = '<http://%s/mailman/>' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

> TypeError: not all arguments converted
> What is causing this error?

The exception is Python complaining about a problem in string 
formatting. You gave it a variable to interpolate into a string (that 
is what the % operator is for) but you did not put anything in the 
string to say where to put the variable's value (the missing %s)

The < and > (greater than and less than) in/near the string are plain 
wrong as well and should have generated 'SyntaxError: invalid syntax' 
as presented so I guess you edited the Python output you actually got 
before posting it in your message?

> I'm a newbie to Mailman and Redhat so any help will be appreciated and 
> will need to be clear and basic so I can understand it.

Be aware that mm_cfg.py is a Python language file and you are editing 
Python code. Although fairly clear, be careful about leading 
indentation as this is syntactically significant in Python, unlike many 
other programming/scripting languages.

>
> Thanks for any help you can provide!
> Gary




From misha at wolfstar.ca  Tue Feb 17 02:29:36 2004
From: misha at wolfstar.ca (Michel R Vaillancourt)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:29:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/ MHonarc Integration Problem
In-Reply-To: <50BE571E-60E7-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <208D21E3AC92D449A31336961A46FB8701D5578E@eiccd-exch1.eiccd.net>
	<50BE571E-60E7-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2392.192.168.1.2.1076981376.squirrel@www.wolfstar.ca>


Good evening, all...  I am trying to set MHonarc up to work with MailMan.  I am
following the instructions found at:
http://www.mhonarc.org/archive/html/mhonarc-users/2001-10/msg00021.html

I get the following error message when a message goes through the list:

==> /usr/local/mailman/logs/error <==
Feb 16 20:05:12 2004 (288) Uncaught runner exception: unsupported format character
'>' (0x3e) at index 110
Feb 16 20:05:12 2004 (288) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose
    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 202, in ArchiveMail
    self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 172, in ExternalArchive
    cmd = ar % d
ValueError: unsupported format character '>' (0x3e) at index 110
==> /usr/local/mailman/logs/error <==

  Any suggestions as to where to start looking?
 I reviewed the changes I made to my mm_cfg file and everything matches up with no
obvious syntax errors.  However, I can't quite figure out what the error is being
caused.  Thanks in advance for any and all help.

--Michel

"Poetry is what happens when you are too choked up, too much in love, or too pissed
off to write coherent prose"




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Feb 17 02:53:38 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:53:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cross Posting creates multiple posts
Message-ID: <40312DD2.25847.EB9600@localhost>

I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1.4, python 2.1.3 on a Redhat 7.3 
server. Prior to that I was running mm 2.1.1

When someone cross posts to multiple lists on our server (not 
encouraged, but not disallowed) we end up getting an inordinate 
amount of "extra" posts.

Here's what I mean.

User cross posts to lists A, B and C I end up with 9, yes NINE, 
copies of the e-mail.

I get:
1) one from A
2) one from A that actually came from list B first
3) one from A that actually came from list C first
4) one from A that came from C which came from B before that
5) one from A that came from B which came from C before that
6) one from B
7) one from B that came from C first
8) one from C
9) one from C that came from B first

This was happening while I was mm 2.1.1 as well.

Is there a setting that will prevent me from getting 9 copies of the 
same e-mail? Or do I need to beat the users until they stop cross 
posting :-)

I still have all 9 e-mails if there is anything in the headers that 
may help you help me sort this mess out.

Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Normal people worry me.




From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Feb 17 03:04:38 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:04:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with phpBB M2F?
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040216200208.0202cca8@127.0.0.1>

      I see that there is FINALLY a public beta for the mail-to-forum phpBB 
addon.  As described on the development web site "Mail 2 Forum (or M2F) is 
an add-on software to the phpBB forum system. M2F combines the 
functionality of a mailing list system and a phpBB forum in order to add 
bi-directional 'email to forum' or 'forum to email' communication. "  In 
the "what it can do" section they say "May be used as mailing list manager 
with an existing mailing list server (like listserv or majordomo)."
      So, anyone tried it with Mailman?

<>< Paul



From theall at tifaware.com  Tue Feb 17 03:09:53 2004
From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:09:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/ MHonarc Integration Problem
In-Reply-To: <2392.192.168.1.2.1076981376.squirrel@www.wolfstar.ca>
References: <208D21E3AC92D449A31336961A46FB8701D5578E@eiccd-exch1.eiccd.net>
	<50BE571E-60E7-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<2392.192.168.1.2.1076981376.squirrel@www.wolfstar.ca>
Message-ID: <20040217020953.GA24178@tifaware.com>

On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 08:29:36PM -0500, Michel R Vaillancourt wrote:

> Good evening, all...  I am trying to set MHonarc up to work with MailMan.  I am
> following the instructions found at:
> http://www.mhonarc.org/archive/html/mhonarc-users/2001-10/msg00021.html

I can't help you with those instructions but would like to put in a good
word for OpenInfo's Mailman patches:

    http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/

Among the available patches are some to integrate Mailman with MHonArc
and/or Htdig.  Provided you're running reasonably current versions,
these patches are simple to apply and work wonderfully. 

George
-- 
theall at tifaware.com
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From geoff at lanrex.com.au  Tue Feb 17 07:48:37 2004
From: geoff at lanrex.com.au (Geoff Powell)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:48:37 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script to list users with nomail property set to 1
Message-ID: <49402F135E09A04CB6D9020C8E2A972808DE86@lrsydas2.lanrex.priv>

Hello,

I have been using mailman's withlist feature with a basic python script
called nomail, to list all users in a database with the nomail property
set to 1, it looked something like:

import sys

from Mailman import mm_cfg

def nomail(list):
	for member in list.members.keys()
		if list.user_options[member] &&
Mailman.mm_cfg.DisableDelivery:
			print member
	pass

	for member in list.digest_members.keys()
		if list.user_options[member] &&
Mailman.mm_cfg.DisableDelivery:
			print member
	pass
	
	sys.exit(0)

(There could be errors in this code block)

Since updating the system, and mailman is now version 2.1.2-2, the
script is not working correctly. It appears to be printing out ALL users
in the database, indicating they all have the nomail field set to 1.

I have found that in /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py, there is a line
with a comment next to DisableDelivery stating it is obsolete (and
DisableDelivery is set to 1, I assume this is why the users all have the
value as 1?). The line says I should use getDeliveryStatus(), is there
any documentation on how I can update my script to utilise this method,
or can anyone please give me a hint?

Thanks in advance,

Geoff




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Feb 17 08:13:04 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:13:04 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/ MHonarc Integration Problem
In-Reply-To: <2392.192.168.1.2.1076981376.squirrel@www.wolfstar.ca>
References: <208D21E3AC92D449A31336961A46FB8701D5578E@eiccd-exch1.eiccd.net>
	<50BE571E-60E7-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<2392.192.168.1.2.1076981376.squirrel@www.wolfstar.ca>
Message-ID: <BA67D9F8-6118-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 17 Feb 2004, at 01:29, Michel R Vaillancourt wrote:

>
> Good evening, all...  I am trying to set MHonarc up to work with 
> MailMan.  I am
> following the instructions found at:
> http://www.mhonarc.org/archive/html/mhonarc-users/2001-10/msg00021.html
>
> I get the following error message when a message goes through the list:
>
> ==> /usr/local/mailman/logs/error <==
> Feb 16 20:05:12 2004 (288) Uncaught runner exception: unsupported 
> format character
> '>' (0x3e) at index 110
> Feb 16 20:05:12 2004 (288) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in 
> _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in 
> _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in 
> _dispose
>     mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 202, in 
> ArchiveMail
>     self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 172, in 
> ExternalArchive
>     cmd = ar % d
> ValueError: unsupported format character '>' (0x3e) at index 110
> ==> /usr/local/mailman/logs/error <==
>
>   Any suggestions as to where to start looking?

Yes, at the assignments in mm_cfg.py. The instructions you are working 
to say, amongst other things, to make the following assignments 
something like:

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add 
-outdir/var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s >> 
/tmp/out_external_archiver'
PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add 
-outdir/var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s >> 
/tmp/out_external_archiver'

It is no coincidence that the invalid format character complained of, 
the ">" (greater than) character, appears in that recipe after a 
formatting sequence "%(listname)s >"

Is there any chance that you mistyped that part of the assigned value 
as "%(listname) >>" ? For instance, if you had typed "%(listname) >>" 
this would lead to the error you are getting.

btw: there is a patch for a more complete integration of 
Mailman/pipermail/MHonarc available at 
http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/mhonarc/ which may be of 
interest to you.

>  I reviewed the changes I made to my mm_cfg file and everything 
> matches up with no
> obvious syntax errors.  However, I can't quite figure out what the 
> error is being
> caused.  Thanks in advance for any and all help.
>
> --Michel
>
> "Poetry is what happens when you are too choked up, too much in love, 
> or too pissed
> off to write coherent prose"
>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Feb 17 12:04:24 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:04:24 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script to list users with nomail property set to 1
In-Reply-To: <49402F135E09A04CB6D9020C8E2A972808DE86@lrsydas2.lanrex.priv>
References: <49402F135E09A04CB6D9020C8E2A972808DE86@lrsydas2.lanrex.priv>
Message-ID: <0B8D7443-6139-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 17 Feb 2004, at 06:48, Geoff Powell wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have been using mailman's withlist feature with a basic python script
> called nomail, to list all users in a database with the nomail property
> set to 1, it looked something like:
>
> import sys
>
> from Mailman import mm_cfg
>
> def nomail(list):
> 	for member in list.members.keys()
> 		if list.user_options[member] &&
> Mailman.mm_cfg.DisableDelivery:
> 			print member
> 	pass
>
> 	for member in list.digest_members.keys()
> 		if list.user_options[member] &&
> Mailman.mm_cfg.DisableDelivery:
> 			print member
> 	pass
> 	
> 	sys.exit(0)
>
> (There could be errors in this code block)
>
> Since updating the system, and mailman is now version 2.1.2-2, the
> script is not working correctly. It appears to be printing out ALL 
> users
> in the database, indicating they all have the nomail field set to 1.
>
> I have found that in /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py, there is a line
> with a comment next to DisableDelivery stating it is obsolete (and
> DisableDelivery is set to 1, I assume this is why the users all have 
> the
> value as 1?). The line says I should use getDeliveryStatus(), is there
> any documentation on how I can update my script to utilise this method,
> or can anyone please give me a hint?

This works for me:

1. with $prefix/Mailman as your pwd, use the following command to find 
where the function is defined in the Python source:

find . -name "*.py" | xargs grep "def getDeliveryStatus"

2. from the output pick a module that implements the function; there 
are several implementations defined in different modules on different 
classes

3. either read the code or use withlist to read the function's docstring

mailman at mailman:/mailman/run/Mailman> ../bin/withlist -i all-users-list
Loading list all-users-list (unlocked)
The variable `m' is the all-users-list MailList instance
 >>> from Mailman import MemberAdaptor
 >>> print MemberAdaptor.MemberAdaptor.getDeliveryStatus.__doc__
Return the delivery status of this member.

         Value is one of the module constants:

             ENABLED  - The deliveries to the user are not disabled
             UNKNOWN  - Deliveries are disabled for unknown reasons.  The
                        primary reason for this to happen is that we've 
copied
                        their delivery status from a legacy version 
which didn't
                        keep track of disable reasons
             BYUSER   - The user explicitly disable deliveries
             BYADMIN  - The list administrator explicitly disabled 
deliveries
             BYBOUNCE - The system disabled deliveries due to bouncing

         If member is not a member of the list, raise NotAMemberError.
  >>>
Finalizing
mailman at mailman:/mailman/run/Mailman>

>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Geoff
>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Tue Feb 17 13:34:43 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:34:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Follow-up
Message-ID: <009601c3f552$6bd943b0$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>

I do not have access to the MailMan logs on my shared server. Is there a way -- within MailMan -- to tell when messages are bouncing? Can I reduce the bounce scoring (whatever that is) so that bad subscriptions become obvious sooner rather than later?

Mike


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Feb 17 15:56:54 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Feb 2004 09:56:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Follow-up
In-Reply-To: <009601c3f552$6bd943b0$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
References: <009601c3f552$6bd943b0$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
Message-ID: <1077029814.4307.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-02-17 at 07:34, Mike Phillips wrote:
> I do not have access to the MailMan logs on my shared server. Is there a way -- within MailMan -- to tell when messages are bouncing? Can I reduce the bounce scoring (whatever that is) so that bad subscriptions become obvious sooner rather than later?
> 
> Mike

Not without some mods to Mailman or some external scripts running.

Your shared provider should either allow you to look at the logs or
write a script to push your log data out to a directory where you can
play with the numbers.  A simple grep command would probably do the job
of getting the data you need.

Dropping the bounce number is not a terribly good idea unless all your
list folk have nice corporate email accounts with no limitations (so no
bouncing due to DNS going up and down, or mail box being temporarily
full)

Jon Carnes




From jsingh at fdu.edu  Tue Feb 17 18:33:59 2004
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:33:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Defaults & config
Message-ID: <003c01c3f57c$3d30e430$8e0bee84@FDUJACK>

Hi

 I used to config_list utility and wanted to know if I could set the changes
I want from config_list inside mm_cfg.py file for it take effect on the rest
of the lists I want.

Thanks

 

Jaskaran Singh

University Systems & Security

Fairleigh Dickinson University

1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01

Teaneck, NJ 07666

 



From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Feb 18 02:33:19 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:33:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Choose NoMail on sign up?
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040217183348.05a56ec0@127.0.0.1>

      I've been looking to see if I can add an option to the listinfo page 
that will allow a subscriber to choose NoMail when they sign up.

      In subscribe.py I see this:

try:
     userdesc = UserDesc(email, fullname, password, digest, lang)
     mlist.AddMember(userdesc, remote)
     results = ''

      I assume I need to make a NoMail option to listinfo and subscribe.py, 
and add a variable for NoMail to UserDesc.py .  I find AddMember and 
ApprovedAddMember in MailList.py.  It looks like I need to use 
setMemberOption with "nomail" as the flag in ApprovedAddMember to set NoMail?

      Am I on the right track here?  Missing anything, or missing an easier 
way?

      As for the "why would you want to do this" question - I have a good 
number of folks who read and post from the archives.

<>< Paul





From mdunston at music.vt.edu  Wed Feb 18 08:12:26 2004
From: mdunston at music.vt.edu (michael dunston)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:12:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration broken after upgrade;
	htsearch exitstatus 127
Message-ID: <r02010100-1032-CEBEA7AB61E111D8A331000A95A0C78A@[192.168.1.12]>

I recently upgraded a 2.1.2 install to 2.1.4 (along with
htdig-2.1.4-0.1.patch and indexing-2.1.4-0.1.patch) and now
htdig/archive searches are failing for the following error:

    htdig Archives Access Failure
    search failed -12-

in addtion, logs/error shows:

    htsearch for list: <list_name>, existatus: 127
    htsearch for list: <list_name>, cause: htsearch, detail: -12-

I have run bin/blow_away_htdig (and with -c) followed by test messages,
bin/arch --wipe and cron/nightly_htdig -v and although the index is
apparently being built the search still fails.

bin/check_perms -f doesnt indicate any problems, the symlinks for the
archives/htdig/<list_name>.conf files appear okay and
archives/private/<list_name>/htdig/ does contain the 
rundig_last_run file and db.* files with correct modification dates.

Does anyone know what the htsearch 'existatus: 127' or 'detail: -12-'
means here or where else I might look to solve this?  Thanks in advance
for any suggestions.


-- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
-- Michael Dunston
-- Music and Technology
-- <http://www.music.vt.edu>
-- Virginia Tech School of the Arts



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Feb 18 09:37:59 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:37:59 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration broken after upgrade;
	htsearch exitstatus 127
Message-ID: <C1BC767C-61ED-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

Michael

The error is saying that when the MM/htdig integration's mmsearch 
script attempted to run Htdig's htsearch program as a subprocess, an 
exit status value of 127 was returned.

Exit status 127 is conventionally/often/sometimes returned to indicate 
"command not found".

A possible cause of this is that the value of the HTDIG_HTSEARCH_PATH 
variable in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py is not the correct file system 
path to Htdig's htsearch program. Certainly this misconfiguration 
produces that exit status on my systems. Suggest you check that and let 
me know if that might be the cause of your problem or not.

Richard

btw: The -12- is just a marker that identifies where in the 
$prefix/Mailman/cron/mmsearch script the problem is being identified; 
you can look in that file and search for -12- to see what I mean.

On Wed Feb 18 02:12:26 EST 2004 michael dunston said:

<quote>
I recently upgraded a 2.1.2 install to 2.1.4 (along with
htdig-2.1.4-0.1.patch and indexing-2.1.4-0.1.patch) and now
htdig/archive searches are failing for the following error:

     htdig Archives Access Failure
     search failed -12-

in addtion, logs/error shows:

     htsearch for list: <list_name>, existatus: 127
     htsearch for list: <list_name>, cause: htsearch, detail: -12-

I have run bin/blow_away_htdig (and with -c) followed by test messages,
bin/arch --wipe and cron/nightly_htdig -v and although the index is
apparently being built the search still fails.

bin/check_perms -f doesnt indicate any problems, the symlinks for the
archives/htdig/<list_name>.conf files appear okay and
archives/private/<list_name>/htdig/ does contain the
rundig_last_run file and db.* files with correct modification dates.

Does anyone know what the htsearch 'existatus: 127' or 'detail: -12-'
means here or where else I might look to solve this?  Thanks in advance
for any suggestions.


-- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
-- Michael Dunston
-- Music and Technology
-- <http://www.music.vt.edu>
-- Virginia Tech School of the Arts
</quote>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From Joerg.Fries at FINATEC.com  Wed Feb 18 09:36:50 2004
From: Joerg.Fries at FINATEC.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Fries=2C_J=F6rg=22?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:36:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-htdig integration and rundig after post
Message-ID: <E1E66300600DD5119E3000010215CB7D010D1591@remus.finatec.com>

Hello All,

yesterday I've integrated htdig into mailman successfully. My archives are
searchable now.

When I read the docs, I've expected the following: When a new mail (post)
arrived, the archiver qrunner should update the archives *and* run rundig to
update the database files in
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/<listname>/htdig. Am I right? But on my
site there is no update of the htdig files.

I am running mailman-2.1.4 and htdig-3.1.6 on SuSE 8.2 with all the patches
provided by Richard Barrett applied (thanks for all, Richard). Here is my
mm_cfg.py file:

[...]
USE_HTDIG = 1
HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/bin/rundig'
HTDIG_HTSEARCH_PATH = '/srv/www/cgi-bin/htsearch'
HTDIG_FILES_URL = '/htdig/images/'

No entries in log files error and qrunner (I've restarted qrunner before I
posted)

Thanks for any help

Joerg

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Feb 18 11:13:15 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:13:15 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-htdig integration and rundig after post
Message-ID: <10BF61AA-61FB-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

J?rg

rundig is run automatically to build/rebuild search indices by 
whichever one of the nightly_htdig series of cron scripts you choose to 
use: see the INSTALL.htdig-mm file installed by the patch. The 
integration patch adds an entry to MM's default crontab 
($prefix/Mailman/cron/crontab.in) which runs $prefix/cron/nightly_htdig 
every 24 hours.

If you want to run nightly_htdig more frequently then you can change 
the crontab entry that runs it. The script can also be run from the 
command line or any other means that you want to set up.

The patched Mailman does NOT perform htdig reindexing every time a new 
piece of mail is added to a list's archive, that is why the patched 
code adds and updates a note like this to a list's Archive TOC web 
page, below the search form:

<quote>
Note:The archive search index was last rebuilt at <date-time group 
rundig last run inserted here>. Any postings after that will not be 
found by a search. Index rebuild is usally done once every 24 hours for 
this list. You can use a "View by date" link below to access more 
recent postings.
</quote>

Hope that resolves you query. Let me know if not.

Richard

On Wed Feb 18 03:36:50 EST 2004 Joerg Fries said:

<quote>
Hello All,

yesterday I've integrated htdig into mailman successfully. My archives 
are
searchable now.

When I read the docs, I've expected the following: When a new mail 
(post)
arrived, the archiver qrunner should update the archives *and* run 
rundig to
update the database files in
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/<listname>/htdig. Am I right? But on 
my
site there is no update of the htdig files.

I am running mailman-2.1.4 and htdig-3.1.6 on SuSE 8.2 with all the 
patches
provided by Richard Barrett applied (thanks for all, Richard). Here is 
my
mm_cfg.py file:

[...]
USE_HTDIG = 1
HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/bin/rundig'
HTDIG_HTSEARCH_PATH = '/srv/www/cgi-bin/htsearch'
HTDIG_FILES_URL = '/htdig/images/'

No entries in log files error and qrunner (I've restarted qrunner 
before I
posted)

Thanks for any help

Joerg
</quote>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk



From stefan.knoess at napro-software.de  Wed Feb 18 17:53:26 2004
From: stefan.knoess at napro-software.de (=?ISO-8859-15?B?U3RlZmFuIEtu9t8=?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:53:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ordinal not in range(128)
Message-ID: <924707161.20040218175326@napro-software.de>

Hello,

I am using Mailman 2.1.4 on Debian/Woody with python 2.1/2.2. When users send a
confirm email (eg subscription and approval) that contains international characters
like ??? I get the following error in mailman/log/error:

Feb 09 20:21:28 2004 (19156) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)
Feb 09 20:21:28 2004 (19156) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 237, in _dispose
    res.process()
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 110, in process
    stop = self.do_command(cmd, args)
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 135, in do_command
    return self.do_command(cmd, args)
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 137, in do_command
    return handler.process(self, args)
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/Commands/cmd_confirm.py", line 86, in process
    if line.lstrip() == match:
UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

I experimented with python 2.1 and 2.2 and tried different localization settings
for Debian and different language settings for the lists (including encoding
changes mm_cfg.py) without any success. To use "english only"-list helps a bit
because the generated emails are clean of international letters. But if some
user just hits the "reply" buttons using an email-client that adds a signature
automatically I am in trouble again.

Research on "ordinal not in range(128)" on the internet did not give any helpful
results, but it seems to be "common" problem with python. So maybe it is mainly
a python problem. The rest of Mailman works perfect (web-interface,
mail-delivery)

Any help is appreciated.

Regards
  Stefan Kn??
(NAPRO-Software)




From wmoses at houston.rr.com  Wed Feb 18 20:29:26 2004
From: wmoses at houston.rr.com (wmoses at houston.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:29:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notifications of subscriptions etc ...
Message-ID: <156f7615a639.15a639156f76@texas.rr.com>

I have Mailman 2.1.3.

I noticed that the only way I can get notifications of subscriptions etc. at my moderator address is if I have the notify list administrator set to "Yes".

This results in me getting duplicates. I want notifications to go only to the moderator(s).

What am I missing?

Wayne




From jgrunder at miis.edu  Wed Feb 18 21:18:38 2004
From: jgrunder at miis.edu (John Grunder)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:18:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on forwarded admin requests.
In-Reply-To: <E1AtTBL-0004Xh-I3@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AtTBL-0004Xh-I3@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <fc.006640e00299530b3b9aca00e9c41b56.2995480@miis.edu>

Has anyone seen a situation in Mailmain 2.1 where administrative requests
(subscribe, unsubscribe) might be forwarded back to the unmoderated list,
and thereby to the general list members?

Is there a setting which could make this happen?

We have a list which was converted over from Majordomo last month to
Mailman and now all of the members are being flooded with messages from
the list requesting to unsubscribe.  Since this overloads other member's
mailboxes, they too are asking to unsubscribe, and the wave builds.  We
need to stop this somehow.





From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Wed Feb 18 23:14:38 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:14:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ordinal not in range(128)
References: <924707161.20040218175326@napro-software.de>
Message-ID: <alm.20040218231441.17138@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

Stefan Kn?? schrieb:

> I am using Mailman 2.1.4 on Debian/Woody with python 2.1/2.2. When users send a
> confirm email (eg subscription and approval) that contains international characters
> like ??? I get the following error in mailman/log/error:

Do those emails have the right MIME-Headers? If not, the clients that
send them are broken - without that there must not be any characters
other than 7bit-ASCII in the mail body or the headers.

Sure, Mailman could and should handle that more gracefully ...

-thh




From artd at nasioncom.net  Sat Feb 14 11:49:00 2004
From: artd at nasioncom.net (ARTD (Malaysia))
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:49:00 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Loop Problems - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <3FC28B31.8010908@lindows.com>
References: <3FC28B31.8010908@lindows.com>
Message-ID: <402DFD1C.70204@nasioncom.net>

Hi,

I'm running a mailman list with about 400 members and often get into a 
loop problem when someone puts on an auto "out-of-office" reply back to 
the list and that creates an endless loop.

Could anyone please advise me how to stop such loops?

Many thanks..

Aru Rasappan





From businesstobusiness at wxs.nl  Fri Feb 13 19:58:09 2004
From: businesstobusiness at wxs.nl (Armand Brouns)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:58:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped working, no changes on machine,
Message-ID: <0HT100BJJDWBUA@smtp09.wxs.nl>

Hey Abel,

 

How are you.

 

Laat eens iets van je horen!

 

Groeten

 

Armand.



From doinapopa at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 10 20:09:06 2004
From: doinapopa at hotmail.com (Doina Bein)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:09:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many users can be in a mailing list?
Message-ID: <BAY9-DAV26frpwoYItn00003731@hotmail.com>



  I was reading through the documentation and I could not find how many usesrs can you handle. I do not need an excat number, but some round ups (500, 1000, 10000, 50000, etc).

 Thank you so much,
Doina

From doug.piper at wovenelectronics.com  Thu Feb 12 23:08:14 2004
From: doug.piper at wovenelectronics.com (Doug Piper)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:08:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two Dumb Questions (but are easy): Manual? & Mail
	Commands Won't Work
In-Reply-To: <20040212204310.D88BD37ED1@astra.telenet-ops.be>
Message-ID: <011201c3f1b4$b68a2560$8064a8c0@wovennet.com>

1. Is there a thorough manual on Mailman that I can download and print (so I
won't have to ask dumb questions)?
2. My Mailman seems to be working fine except users aren't able to do the
following....nothing happens when an e-mail is sent to (name is just a
substitute for the URL). subscribe at name.com, unsubscribe at name.com
help at name.com , join at name.com, leave at name.com . Is this a setting needs
correcting?




From energyteacher at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 16 19:17:32 2004
From: energyteacher at yahoo.com (energyteacher)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:17:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scheduling emails
Message-ID: <20040216181732.18271.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi

Is there any add on script available for Mailman to do
scheduling, i.e. to put messages in to be sent at a
later date autmatically - not '4 days after' but on
specific dates?

Thanks,
Lorna

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From j.reiners at ies.de  Wed Feb 11 11:39:50 2004
From: j.reiners at ies.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_Reiners?=)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:39:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I setup a list where only list
 administrators can post mails to, like a newsletters mailinglist
Message-ID: <402A0676.2060505@ies.de>

Hi,

can someone tell me how to setup a list that does not accept postings
of normal subscribers ? I want to use the mailinglist to send a newsletter
to customers and they should not be able to post messages themselves.
Right now I have setup the list in the way that postings of subscribers
are moderated by the list administrators. Is there a way to disable
those postings ?

Regards,
Joerg Reiners






From jkolbe at matrixj.com  Fri Feb 13 14:34:02 2004
From: jkolbe at matrixj.com (Joshua Kolbe)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:34:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems
Message-ID: <499944EE-5E29-11D8-ACF5-000A959D1044@matrixj.com>

Hi, attached is the error page I'm getting when I try to access my 
mailman admin page.  I have an OS X Panther server.  If you could tell 
me what I can do to fix this, that would be great.

Thanks
Josh Kolbe

--
Joshua Kolbe, CEO
Systems Engineer
Matrix J Technologies
P.O. Box 5722
Athens, OH  45701
Phone: (740) 767-3287
Toll-Free: (888) 321-5811
Email: jkolbe at matrixj.com




From jesse at tittsworth.com  Mon Feb  9 20:13:01 2004
From: jesse at tittsworth.com (Tittsworth)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 14:13:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: [Mailman-cabal] mailman exporting?
Message-ID: <060a01c3ef40$bfb32540$9f4e4589@rk1jtittsworth>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barry Warsaw" <barry at python.org>
To: "Tittsworth" <jesse at tittsworth.com>
Cc: <mailman-cabal at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-cabal] mailman exporting?


> On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 12:53, Tittsworth wrote:
> >  
> > checked your faq's but could not find info on how to export addresses
> > for archiving (w/ mailman).  would like to do this for backup
> > purposes.
> 
> Please contact mailman-users at python.org for more assistance.
> 
> -Barry
> 
> 
> 
> 



From muratem at eng.uah.edu  Mon Feb  9 18:59:47 2004
From: muratem at eng.uah.edu (Mike Muratet)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:59:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't open gate_news
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10402091154420.28593-100000@ebs330>

Greetings

I am running Red Hat 9 pretty much out of the box. I'm getting the email
from the cron daemon:

/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/var/mailmain/cron/gate_news'

A check of the permissions for this file indicates that there is no reason
why this should be so.

Moreover, this is not a process I explicitly added to cron.

I get a lot of hits when I search the web for this error, but nobody seems
to have exactly this problem. The FAQ doesn't mention anything.

Can anybody suggest what the problem might be (it ain't the permissions)
or what process is spawning the emails?

Thanks

Mike




From madduck at madduck.net  Tue Feb 10 17:06:40 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:06:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cascaded lists -- any tips?
Message-ID: <20040210160640.GA661@diamond.madduck.net>

I administer a set of cascaded lists, or umbrella lists, however you
want to call them. The setup is something along the following lines:

A -> B, C, users
B -> D, E, F
C -> users
D -> users
E -> users
F -> G, H, users
G -> users
H -> users

Even though I configured the umbrella_list settings accordingly,
this setup is quite painful when it comes to moderation. I have
things like require_explicit_destination with the appropriate
acceptable_aliases turned on as well as maximum size protection and
other content filter rules.

This works okay until someone posts a message to A, which is to be
moderated. I accept the message for A, and then am asked to do the
same for B and C, then for D, E, F and then for G, H. Thus, I have
to visit the moderation interface 8 times for a single message.

I have already considered making A and F pure umbrella lists and
then to take all restrictions off the umbrella lists, so as to have
moderation only apply to the leaf lists, but in the case of a post
to A, I'd still have to accept a message 7 times.

Is there no way to tell a child list to pass a message through when
it has been accepted in a parent list?

I'd be interested how other people deal with this problem. I guess
I could forget the hierarchy and simply use a database to do the
management of list memberships for each member, but i'd be
sacrificing some of the features (e.g. single archive for a group).

How can I deal with this problem?

Thanks,

-- 
martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
 
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 is like having sex to have children"
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From madduck at madduck.net  Tue Feb 10 17:09:11 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:09:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] accept_these_nonmembers &
	require_explicit_destination
Message-ID: <20040210160911.GA1746@diamond.madduck.net>

putting an address in accept_these_nonmembers does not allow this
person to Bcc a list when require_explicit_destination is on. this
is because member-checking is done before recipient checking.

is there a way to whitelist some posters to allow them to Bcc
a list? if not, how do i submit a feature request?

thanks,

-- 
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From newtech at creatingfutures.com  Thu Feb 12 07:36:39 2004
From: newtech at creatingfutures.com (Richard D. Dover)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:36:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive link bad in admin control panel
Message-ID: <025301c3f132$930dcd80$0e00a8c0@newtech>

http://www.newtechnologies2000.com/mailman/admin/ihsmstories

In this test list and another list I have, the 'Go to list
archives' link in the admin panel is bad. The URL is
http://christianshost.com/pipermail/ihsmstories/ which is not on
my server. How do I change this to a directory on my own server? 

Where are the commands for archives, what file? 

I don't see the pipermail folder in my directory


Richard D'Andrea Dover
New Technologies
P.O. Box 12092
Seattle, WA 98102-0092
206-860-2945

www.newtechnologies2000.com
newtech at creatingfutures.com





From pimholz at d70.k12.il.us  Thu Feb 12 15:48:54 2004
From: pimholz at d70.k12.il.us (Pam Imholz)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:48:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and OSX
Message-ID: <94841E78-5D6A-11D8-B955-000A95BAE250@d70.k12.il.us>

I understand that Mailman is built into OSX Panther server but will it 
work with 10.2.8 server as well if we download a copy? We are not yet 
ready to upgrade our mail server to panther but are seeking some tool 
to help us with managing groups on our email server.

Can you tell me if this is what Mailman does and if it would work for 
us with 10.2.8 server? Thanks,

--
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From stashima at mailosx.central.k12.ca.us  Thu Feb 12 19:55:56 2004
From: stashima at mailosx.central.k12.ca.us (Steve Tashima)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:55:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out emails.
Message-ID: <170545B8-5D8D-11D8-A1D9-000A95961CE8@mailosx.central.k12.ca.us>

Hello,

I work for a school district in CA and we recently installed an Apple 
X-Serve with Panther Server 10.3.   An Apple System Engineer install it 
for us.  The mail is moving in and out fine, but when I try to create a 
Mailing List account it doesn't seem to work.  One problem we seem to 
be having is that Mailing Lists does not automatically become enable 
when we check the "Enable Mailing Lists" checkbox and "save."  We 
usually have to restart the server to enable.  Is this something you've 
seen?  From the client station when I send an e-mail to a mailing list 
account , like Mailman, it goes out but doesn't appear in any of the 
mailing lists assigned users.  Have you seen anything like this?  We'd 
appreciate any help you might offer.  Thank you for your help and 
consideration.

Steve Tashima
Central Union School District
Lemoore, CA 




From newtech at creatingfutures.com  Fri Feb 13 01:25:24 2004
From: newtech at creatingfutures.com (Richard D. Dover)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:25:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html messages in archive
Message-ID: <029001c3f1c7$dff001a0$0e00a8c0@newtech>

I want html messages to appear in the public archive. In other
words I want a person to click on the link for a message and when
it opens up it is in the original html format it was sent.

What do I need to do so that it is not 'scrubbed'?

P.S. I do not offer digest feature.

Richard




From postings at creatingfutures.net  Fri Feb 13 19:25:37 2004
From: postings at creatingfutures.net (Richard D'Andrea Dover)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:25:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing of archive index.html file lost after post
Message-ID: <05ee01c3f25e$c7e028f0$0e00a8c0@newtech>

I edited the archive index.html folder for my mailing list. I also
edited the date.html and subject.html to have the appearance I
wanted. Everything looked good until there was a post.

When a post is made to the list all my data is erased and the
archive index.html, date.html, and subject.html went back to
default.

Why is this?

How can I change the archive files to look the way I want?




From paul-03396 at intergov.org  Wed Feb 18 20:28:33 2004
From: paul-03396 at intergov.org (Paul Lynch)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:28:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Needed for mailman
Message-ID: <001d01c3f655$7ea39a50$05646851@intergovu47dqi>

We are trying to change the lists passwords. But when we change them.. it says lists passwords changed. but the old one still works. we have restarted mailman but nothing worked



Paul Lynch
InterGOV - Webpolice
TC of Tech
Webmaster
paul-03396 at intergov.org

From umberto.modotti at dimi.uniud.it  Fri Feb 13 13:15:26 2004
From: umberto.modotti at dimi.uniud.it (Umberto Modotti)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:15:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman can't post to lists users: checkdbs script
 outputs some
 errors, messages are enqueued in qfiles directory but never exit the
 queue.
Message-ID: <a06020402bc526b75df5b@[158.110.144.200]>

Mailman version: 2.0.7, installed from source distribution
OS version: Solaris SunOS 5.8 patch 108528-23
Sendmail version: 8.12.10 patched

Since 2004, February 1st, at 05:07, mailman suddenly stopped to run.

I have just seen FAQ lists, and checked things as reported in section 
3.14 (Troubleshooting: no mail going out to lists members).

1) Here are the errors reported after launching the script 'checkdbs' by hand
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/local/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
     main()
   File "/local/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main
     count = mlist.NumRequestsPending()
   File "/local/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in 
NumRequestsPending
     self.__opendb()
   File "/local/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
     self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

2) Here are the errors reported in ~mailman/logs/error trying to post a message
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Feb 13 12:15:02 2004 (7103) Delivery exception: EOF read where object expected
Feb 13 12:15:02 2004 (7103) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/local/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, 
in do_pipe
line
     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/local/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 140, in process
     hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, ModeratedPost)
   File "/local/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in 
hold_for_app
roval
     mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata)
   File "/local/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in HoldMessage
     self.__opendb()
   File "/local/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
     self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

3) Messages are enqueued in qfiles directory but never exit the queue
4) No other errors in log directories.

Thank you for your help.
-- 
Umberto Modotti - Responsabile Gestione Sistemi UNIX
Tel: 0432 558409   Fax: 0432 558499
Universita' degli Studi di Udine
Dipartimento di Matematica e Informatica



From terrillclark at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 07:51:36 2004
From: terrillclark at yahoo.com (terrill waldman)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:51:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] happy python user
Message-ID: <20040209065136.56885.qmail@web40020.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there, i had some rogue web-site developer hook me up with your mailman, and it's great, I love it,  Said Rogue disappeared to Asia, and now I have a new web-site, can you recommend someone who can help me re-attach my web-site to the mailman?


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From mjunaidi at elnusa.co.id  Tue Feb 10 12:49:38 2004
From: mjunaidi at elnusa.co.id (Mildianto Junaidi)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:49:38 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP
Message-ID: <4B537FDF71761B4C89702B74A967F2BC42A81D@mail.elnusa.co.id>

	
	
	Dear mailman support,

	I got error when create new list in mailman 2.1.8
	the message is "you are not authorized to create a new mailing
list"
	I had searched in google but I cant find the solution

	Help, what is the solution

	Thanks
	mildi



From Rawfeednews at aol.com  Wed Feb 11 07:34:08 2004
From: Rawfeednews at aol.com (Rawfeednews at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 01:34:08 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <7c.41ffd369.2d5b26e0@aol.com>

Hi,

I am having trouble sending e-mail to my mailing list...I created a list and 
I have been using it for about 6 months, but all of a sudden, when I e-mail a 
post...it just disappears and doesn't even appear on the moderator's page. 
Please let me know,

Vin
www.the-voice.us


From WebDesigns at web-designing.org  Wed Feb 11 16:13:39 2004
From: WebDesigns at web-designing.org (Sue~Web designing & Hosting at www.web-designing.org)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:13:39 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help info
Message-ID: <007901c3f0b1$a7a14eb0$e66cc041@DJRJT011>

Hi,
My hosting company has your software installed on it's site ..  We love this
program for our crafting group but we have questions ..  Is there a help
manual or page on the site that explains each and all parts of this program?

We are trying to figure out how to get rid of the attachments that comes
with most all emails even tho we do not put attachments on it ..  And there
is a glitch in the digest area .. Can not get the digest sent to those that
are on digest .. But it is sent to the owner via the group email ..

Thank you for your time.

Sue




From ralph at refmail.net  Thu Feb 12 14:51:51 2004
From: ralph at refmail.net (Ralph Boersema)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:51:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Discards
Message-ID: <006601c3f16f$61116660$6401a8c0@ralphs>

Dear Folks,

I have an announce list that can only be posted to be the list admin. I
get a large volume of spam sent to the list. Is there some way I can set
it so that these will be discarded automatically and I don't have to
discard them manually?

Thanks.
Ralph


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From webmasterone at newtechnologies2000.com  Fri Feb 13 01:30:21 2004
From: webmasterone at newtechnologies2000.com (Richard D. Dover)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:30:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html messages in archive
Message-ID: <029901c3f1c8$91257450$0e00a8c0@newtech>

I want html messages to appear in the public archive. In other
words I want a person to click on the link for a message and when
it opens up it is in the original html format it was sent.

What do I need to do so that it is not 'scrubbed'?

P.S. I do not offer digest feature.

Richard




From kollar at mit.bme.hu  Fri Feb 13 11:11:20 2004
From: kollar at mit.bme.hu (Istvan Kollar)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:11:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman national support
Message-ID: <402CA2C8.8010202@mit.bme.hu>

Gentlemen,

I am very happy to use mailman. Especially to see that lately
the Hungarian support was introduced.
I have switched to Hungarian for the sake of some list members.

However, with this, I have two problems.

In Hungarian, we have two forms to address the other one.
The youth and the familiy members say "te" (thou) to each other,
with related forms in the sentences, while unknown people say ?n (you)
to each other. The former form is rather unpolite when addressing an 
unknown,
not young person.

The Hungarian sentences are currently all in the first form. I have had 
bad moments explaining
to list members why this is so... I would be happy to contribute in 
formulating
each expression in the other way. We could even have two selectable 
Hungarian options:
  Hungarian (Te)
  Hungarian (?n)

Moreover, the present Hungarian sentences are partly wrong, or unfinished.
A series of corrections are necessary. Is there anybody who maintains 
tese texts?

Best regards

Istv?n
------------------------
Istv?n Koll?r, professor of EE
 Department of Measurement and Information Systems
 Budapest University of Technology and Economics
 Postal box address: Budapest, Hungary, H-1521, P.O.Box 91.
 Address for Fedex, DHL, UPS, EMS, etc. (no P.O.B): see office address
 Office: Budapest, XI. Magyar tud?sok k?r?tja 2. Bldg. I, wing E,
     level IV, Room E440, Hungary, H-1117 (secr.: wing E, Room E444)
 Phone: +36 1 463-1774 (also voice mail), secr. +36 1 463-2057
 Fax: +36 1 463-4112
 Email: kollar at mit.bme.hu,  URL: http://www.mit.bme.hu/~kollar/





From vjrj at ourproject.org  Sun Feb 15 21:59:14 2004
From: vjrj at ourproject.org (Vicente J. Ruiz Jurado)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:59:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Unsupported operand" with my old lists after
	upgrading to 2.1.4
Message-ID: <1076878753.20416.198.camel@sanuk>

Hi,

I have serious problems with my old mailing lists (mainly in the web
interface part) created with mailman < 2.1.4.

I have the same same scenario like Marco with debian testing:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg22290.html

But I think this only happens with my old lists, I thinks its a problem
in the per list configuration.

For instance, if a try to get the config of one list:

# config_list -o /tmp/kk1ad test1-test1 
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 339, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 332, in main
    do_output(listname, outfile)
  File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 117, in do_output
    do_list_categories(mlist, k, None, outfp)
  File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 127, in do_list_categories
    info = mlist.GetConfigInfo(k, subcat)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 428, in
GetConfigInfo
    value = gui.GetConfigInfo(self, category, subcat)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/General.py", line 53, in
GetConfigInfo
    optvals = [mlist.new_member_options & bitfields[o] for o in OPTIONS]
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for &: 'list' and 'int'

But with new lists (created with 2.1.4), all works properly.

Its posible to upgrade or repair this old lists configurations?

Any idea?

Thanks in advance,
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From david at housechurch.org  Sun Feb 15 22:07:02 2004
From: david at housechurch.org (David Anderson)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:07:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error file almost 100 megs in size
Message-ID: <E1AsTUe-0006ar-00@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net>


   Greetings from Tennessee, everyone,

This error file resides in the logs folder. Can it be overwritten with a 
new document by the same name? Mine is waaaaay too large.

What permissions does it need?

Thank you.

    Aaron Anderson    http://housechurch.org



From nick.vdkloor at for-nation.com  Tue Feb 17 02:13:31 2004
From: nick.vdkloor at for-nation.com (Nick vd Kloor @ FOR-Nation)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 02:13:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem related to Hotmail
Message-ID: <004301c3f4f3$420af330$0501a8c0@serotonica>

Dear developers,
 
 
since a month now our company is using Mailman 2.1.4. Our
membersdatabase is for 60% filled by Hotmail users.
Now we noticed that none of these hotmailusers receive our mailings. 
So I tested it with another mailman database with only 2 hotmail users
which I copied from our main database. When I then
send an email, they do receive it. After searching the net for a
solution I only read that it is the Hotmail spooler that blocks and
discards
mails when it receives mail in a large number. Is this true? 
Is there a way to bypass this? Like a delay between the mails that are
being sent? 

I hope you guys can help us out on this one.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
 
Nick van der Kloor
FOR-Nation.com
Foundation of Recreation


From Nik at Tribal-online.co.uk  Tue Feb 17 16:20:26 2004
From: Nik at Tribal-online.co.uk (Nik)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:20:26 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <003301c3f569$92dbb7b0$b6546251@niksor7d80igb1>

Hi there all @ Mailman

I am interested in your using software for my website www.N-E-X-U-S.Org and maybe others. 

I am a little baffled as to how to integrate it into my site. Is there a feature for 'visitors' to my site to add themselves to the mailing lists? perhaps by clicking a link or entering their email in a form?

Regards
Nik

From pralina at mail.ljudmila.org  Thu Feb 19 01:01:59 2004
From: pralina at mail.ljudmila.org (lp)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:01:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to auto-allow messages from any address?
Message-ID: <4033FCF7.7080301@mail.ljudmila.org>

Is there any way for mailman to except mail from any address, or how do 
I define a regular expression that equals "any email address" under 
Sender Filters>List of non-member addresses whose postings should be 
automatically accepted.

I don't understand jack shit about regular expressions in python, so 
please give an example.

Thanx,
Luka





From lollis at ptd.net  Wed Feb 18 22:52:56 2004
From: lollis at ptd.net (David & Tricia Lollis)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:52:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <008101c3f669$9a49c270$fc4bbacc@lollis>

Hi...
I am on a list powered by the "Mailman". I would like to start a new list using this...but I am "clueless" as to how to begin. I have a website to "attach" it to that uses Apache...just how would I get started? 

Thanks.
Tricia Lollis

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Feb 19 00:21:14 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:21:14 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on forwarded admin requests.
In-Reply-To: <fc.006640e00299530b3b9aca00e9c41b56.2995480@miis.edu>
References: <E1AtTBL-0004Xh-I3@mail.python.org>
	<fc.006640e00299530b3b9aca00e9c41b56.2995480@miis.edu>
Message-ID: <253F017E-6269-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 18 Feb 2004, at 20:18, John Grunder wrote:

> Has anyone seen a situation in Mailmain 2.1 where administrative 
> requests
> (subscribe, unsubscribe) might be forwarded back to the unmoderated 
> list,
> and thereby to the general list members?
>
> Is there a setting which could make this happen?

The "(Administrivia filter) Check postings and ...?", the administrivia 
option, on the General Options web admin GUI page for a list will 
affect detection of administrative messages sent to a list's primary 
mail alias. If turned off this will prevent the administrivia filter 
operating and ensure that, for instance, subscribe and unsubscribe 
requests are not diverted from the list to the list admin.

The default for this list attribute is controlled on list creation by 
the value of the DEFAULT_ADMINISTRIVIA configuration variable in the 
$prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py

>
> We have a list which was converted over from Majordomo last month to
> Mailman and now all of the members are being flooded with messages from
> the list requesting to unsubscribe.  Since this overloads other 
> member's
> mailboxes, they too are asking to unsubscribe, and the wave builds.  We
> need to stop this somehow.

Why not send a message to the list with a mailto link to the 
listname-unsubscribe mail alias and text reminding people to use that 
alias to unsubscribe.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From remko at elvandar.org  Thu Feb 19 00:34:39 2004
From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:34:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20040218233034.6CC0E46@mail.elvandar.org>
Message-ID: <20040218233441.B94512B4D6F@mail.evilcoder.org>

Hi,

Can you view the logs on the server?
Perhaps the /path/to/mailman/logs/errors
gives some clue

Cheers

P.s Areyou willing to use more information in your subject _please_ thanks.

--

Kind regards,

Remko Lodder
Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the
hackerscene

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Hi,

I am having trouble sending e-mail to my mailing list...I created a list and
I have been using it for about 6 months, but all of a sudden, when I e-mail
a
post...it just disappears and doesn't even appear on the moderator's page.
Please let me know,

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From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Feb 19 00:36:07 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:36:07 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cascaded lists -- any tips?
In-Reply-To: <20040212142701.GA17576@diamond.madduck.net>
References: <20040212142701.GA17576@diamond.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <4033F6E7.3060201@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

> This works okay until someone posts a message to A, which is to be
> moderated. I accept the message for A, and then am asked to do the
> same for B and C, then for D, E, F and then for G, H. Thus, I have
> to visit the moderation interface 8 times for a single message.

You can register A address in acceptable_aliases from
admin/(B|C|D|E|F|G|H)/privacy/recipient.

Cheers

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Feb 19 00:55:37 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:55:37 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html messages in archive
In-Reply-To: <029901c3f1c8$91257450$0e00a8c0@newtech>
References: <029901c3f1c8$91257450$0e00a8c0@newtech>
Message-ID: <4033FB79.80005@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi

Richard D. Dover wrote:

> I want html messages to appear in the public archive. In other
> words I want a person to click on the link for a message and when
> it opens up it is in the original html format it was sent.

You can set ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER = 3 in mm_cfg.py
> 
> What do I need to do so that it is not 'scrubbed'?

Without scrubbing, pipermail will display the HTML in escaped format.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From lists at lastonepicked.com  Thu Feb 19 05:08:06 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:08:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tuning Questions
Message-ID: <BC5976A6.FFE47%lists@lastonepicked.com>

We are running MM 2.1.1 on RH7.2.

We have an announce list with 27,000 members. Delivery to the list takes
FOREVER.

I am looking for some tuning tips.

For one, the default config is using SMTPDirect, not sendmail:

#DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
MTA = 'Manual'
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500
SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 0
MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 0

Would sendmail be faster?

Should I setup a caching nameserver on the machine to speed lookups?

How do I ensure that messages are being sent efficiently (i.e. AOL.com
recipients are sent in least number of transactions, etc...).

Any help is appreciated!

Hunter




From fchen at uclab.org  Thu Feb 19 06:22:05 2004
From: fchen at uclab.org (Chen Fei)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:22:05 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to deal with mailman-2.1.4 NotAMemberError ?
Message-ID: <01be01c3f6a8$51ac70a0$880e69a2@chenfei>

I installed mailman-2.1.4. But when the Mailman verify if the user email is valid,the following bug occur.
How can I solve it?

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 
Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/roster.py", line 85, in main
    password, addr)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 220, in WebAuthenticate
    ok = self.CheckCookie(ac, user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 300, in CheckCookie
    ok = self.__checkone(c, authcontext, user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 310, in __checkone
    key, secret = self.AuthContextInfo(authcontext, user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 105, in AuthContextInfo
    secret = self.getMemberPassword(user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 102, in getMemberPassword
    raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
NotAMemberError: xxx at xxx.com

From fchen at uclab.org  Thu Feb 19 06:27:33 2004
From: fchen at uclab.org (Chen Fei)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:27:33 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to deal with mailman-2.1.4 NotAMemberError ?
Message-ID: <01c801c3f6a9$138c65e0$880e69a2@chenfei>


I installed mailman-2.1.4. But when the Mailman verify if the user email is valid,the following bug occur.
How can I solve it?
 

 Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4
 We're sorry, we hit a bug!

 If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:
 Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/roster.py", line 85, in main
     password, addr)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 220, in WebAuthenticate
     ok = self.CheckCookie(ac, user)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 300, in CheckCookie
     ok = self.__checkone(c, authcontext, user)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 310, in __checkone
     key, secret = self.AuthContextInfo(authcontext, user)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 105, in AuthContextInfo
     secret = self.getMemberPassword(user)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 102, in getMemberPassword
     raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
 NotAMemberError: xxx at xxx.com
 

From EPublisher at racp.edu.au  Thu Feb 19 07:22:49 2004
From: EPublisher at racp.edu.au (E Publisher)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:22:49 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding email address to footer
Message-ID: <s034f108.065@macqnw2.racp.edu.au>

How do I add the member's email address to my message?

For example, in the footer of messages that come from this Mailman
users list it has: 

"This message was sent to: {my email address}"

How can I do that to my own lists?



From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Feb 19 10:24:16 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:24:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cascaded lists -- any tips?
In-Reply-To: <4033F6E7.3060201@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <20040212142701.GA17576@diamond.madduck.net>
	<4033F6E7.3060201@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <20040219092416.GD17496@piper.madduck.net>

also sprach Tokio Kikuchi <tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp> [2004.02.19.0036 +0100]:
> > This works okay until someone posts a message to A, which is to be
> > moderated. I accept the message for A, and then am asked to do the
> > same for B and C, then for D, E, F and then for G, H. Thus, I have
> > to visit the moderation interface 8 times for a single message.
> 
> You can register A address in acceptable_aliases from
> admin/(B|C|D|E|F|G|H)/privacy/recipient.

that's not my problem. i already have the above in place. but now,
when e.g. a nonmember posts to A and I let it through. i already
decided in A's interface that the message may pass. however, i have
to tell all the other lists that it may pass as well. that's mildly
annoying.

-- 
martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
 
invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver!
 
"we are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur." 
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From manager.ict at fsb.org.uk  Thu Feb 19 11:42:29 2004
From: manager.ict at fsb.org.uk (Graham Moseley)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:42:29 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Features
Message-ID: <10423297621246@fsbmail1.fsb.org.uk>

Hi

I'm new to this list and need to find out whether mailman is suitable for
our needs.

We want to introduce a mailing system into our organisation which consists
of approximately 200,000 members. Can anyone confirm that mailman will be
capable of the following

 

1. Provide both one-way lists and broadcast lists with optional digests and
subscribe/unsubscribe - with flexible -per-list moderation control.

2. Programmable mailout control with programmable delays and scheduling

3. List import/export by text file and database with the ability to link to
a variety of databases

4. Simple, remote access for moderators to add/remove/hold/modify users

5. Substitution to allow user info to be inserted into the lists

6. HTML and plain emails

7. Ability to handle unlimited lists of unlimited size

8. Straight forward pop3 in and smtp (with authentication option) out

 

Most importantly it needs a simple to use interface and the scheduling must
not be done by command-line or multiple copies of program, but in the
environment.

 

Thanks for any help

Graham

 



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Feb 19 12:09:11 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:09:11 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cascaded lists -- any tips?
In-Reply-To: <20040219092416.GD17496@piper.madduck.net>
References: <20040212142701.GA17576@diamond.madduck.net>
	<4033F6E7.3060201@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<20040219092416.GD17496@piper.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <0BCA9C05-62CC-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 19 Feb 2004, at 09:24, martin f krafft wrote:

> also sprach Tokio Kikuchi <tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp> [2004.02.19.0036 
> +0100]:
>>> This works okay until someone posts a message to A, which is to be
>>> moderated. I accept the message for A, and then am asked to do the
>>> same for B and C, then for D, E, F and then for G, H. Thus, I have
>>> to visit the moderation interface 8 times for a single message.
>>
>> You can register A address in acceptable_aliases from
>> admin/(B|C|D|E|F|G|H)/privacy/recipient.
>
> that's not my problem. i already have the above in place. but now,
> when e.g. a nonmember posts to A and I let it through. i already
> decided in A's interface that the message may pass. however, i have
> to tell all the other lists that it may pass as well. that's mildly
> annoying.
>

Maybe, but it is an inevitable consequence of Mailman's model as 
currently in use. You might be advised to look into the list archives 
for alternative approaches to your problem see, for instance:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg19796.html

See below for my analysis of why umbrella lists are not the answer to 
every maidens prayer.

What you have to remember is that your lists on a given Mailman 
installation are all quasi-independent entities. It may just happen 
that an address on one subscription list is resolved by the MTA 
handling the outgoing message from the upper list in your "umbrella 
hierarchy" (note: NOT by Mailman) and redelivered by it to Mailman for 
the lower list, where it is processed again like any other incoming 
message. When the Mailman code is processing the incoming message on 
behalf of the lower list, information you want brought to bear is no 
longer available. Also keep in mind that in your case is a narrow 
subset of the problem, where you are presumably admin for both upper 
and lower lists. Your approval for the upper list posting can be 
implied to grant approval for the subsequent lower list posting but if 
you did not own both lists this might well not be the case.

The type of optimization you want does not fit well with the current 
Mailman model and, I suspect, would take a fairly untidy hack of the 
code to achieve it, and would create as . For instance, for Mailman to 
assume that it can reliably compute whether an upper list's 
subscription meber address is for delivery to another mailing list it 
is handling would be wrong; a system manager could have made valid 
changes to the alias database of the MTA so that what Mailman computed 
to be another list it was servicing was in fact supposed be handled 
entirely differently according to information the MTA has.

A proper resolution of this problem requires an enrichment of the 
Mailman model so that a list admin can add subscribers in the present 
sense and can also say "subscsribe this listname that you (this Mailman 
installation) are also supporting". The passing down of the incoming 
message from upper to lower subscribed lists could then be done safely 
and entirely within Mailman, rather than via the MTA. Rules for 
interpretation of posting/moderation/other restrictions can be 
optimised for any case including the one you are concerned with. If you 
have a week or two free I am sure the Mailman developers would welcome 
another volunteer to implement the changes.

btw: The umbrella list construct as at present is just a way of 
inhibiting the distribution of subscriber passwords for upper lists to 
lower lists in a subscription hierarchy. It works for both lists 
serviced by the same Mailman installation and for externally supported 
lists. The semantics are quite simple and not up to supporting what you 
want.

> -- 
> martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
>   \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
>
> invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver!
>
> "we are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."
>                                                       - george w. bush
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Feb 19 14:02:54 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:02:54 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cascaded lists -- any tips?
In-Reply-To: <20040219092416.GD17496@piper.madduck.net>
References: <20040212142701.GA17576@diamond.madduck.net>	<4033F6E7.3060201@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<20040219092416.GD17496@piper.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <4034B3FE.1090700@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>


martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Tokio Kikuchi <tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp> [2004.02.19.0036 +0100]:
> 
>>>This works okay until someone posts a message to A, which is to be
>>>moderated. I accept the message for A, and then am asked to do the
>>>same for B and C, then for D, E, F and then for G, H. Thus, I have
>>>to visit the moderation interface 8 times for a single message.
>>
>>You can register A address in acceptable_aliases from
>>admin/(B|C|D|E|F|G|H)/privacy/recipient.
> 
> 
> that's not my problem. i already have the above in place. but now,
> when e.g. a nonmember posts to A and I let it through. i already
> decided in A's interface that the message may pass. however, i have
> to tell all the other lists that it may pass as well. that's mildly
> annoying.

Oops. You have to open the child lists by setting generic_member_action
as 'accept' which may not be acceptable to you. :-<

Or, .... Hmm... You may hack SpamDetect.py's last line as

--- SpamDetect.py.orig  Thu Feb 19 21:40:56 2004
+++ SpamDetect.py       Thu Feb 19 21:43:14 2004
@@ -122,4 +122,4 @@
                 if action == mm_cfg.HOLD:
                     hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, HeaderMatchHold)
                 if action == mm_cfg.ACCEPT:
-                    return
+                    msgdata['approved'] = 1

and put the A list address in privacy/spam / accept header
reg-expression.

Hey! developers. 'return' in the last line may be a bug. If you have
an 'accept' rule on top of the sapm filter list, the rest of the rules
may be skipped.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Feb 19 14:14:29 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:14:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cascaded lists -- any tips?
In-Reply-To: <0BCA9C05-62CC-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <20040212142701.GA17576@diamond.madduck.net>
	<4033F6E7.3060201@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<20040219092416.GD17496@piper.madduck.net>
	<0BCA9C05-62CC-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20040219131429.GB28949@diamond.madduck.net>

also sprach Richard Barrett <r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk> [2004.02.19.1209 +0100]:
> Maybe, but it is an inevitable consequence of Mailman's model as 
> currently in use. You might be advised to look into the list archives 
> for alternative approaches to your problem see, for instance:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg19796.html

I have considered this approach (after all, my user list actually
comes from a SQL database). The only problem I have is usability of
the archives. Right now, a user has to worry about only one archive:
that of the leaf list to which s/he is subscribed. If I kick the
hierarchy, then the user will have to search various archives for
a thread.

> Your approval for the upper list posting can be implied to grant
> approval for the subsequent lower list posting but if you did not
> own both lists this might well not be the case.

What do you mean with that? Because I am asked to approve a post on
the lower list, it implies that it's been approved on the upper
list? That's not the case, as users may just as well post to a list
in the middle of the hierarchy, if they only want to reach an
organisational subset.

> A proper resolution of this problem requires an enrichment of the 
> Mailman model so that a list admin can add subscribers in the present 
> sense and can also say "subscsribe this listname that you (this Mailman 
> installation) are also supporting".

I am thinking something like a re-injection of the post without
going via the MTA. Something like a direct pipe to

  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman umbrellapost listname"

which acts like 'post' but doesn't do moderation. Of course, this
raises the problem that local shell users may now use the mailman
script to directly pipe their mail to lists, thereby circumventing
moderation. That could be solved by providing another executable
that's 0770 mailman.mailman and thus can't be used by normal users.

The real question is: does there exist a way to inject mail into
mailman in such a way that this mail passes all moderation checks?

> The passing down of the incoming message from upper to lower
> subscribed lists could then be done safely and entirely within
> Mailman, rather than via the MTA. Rules for interpretation of
> posting/moderation/other restrictions can be optimised for any
> case including the one you are concerned with. If you have a week
> or two free I am sure the Mailman developers would welcome another
> volunteer to implement the changes.

I am sure they would. I don't know when I will have time. It's not
like I am not also involved in a (large) number of other projects.

> btw: The umbrella list construct as at present is just a way of 
> inhibiting the distribution of subscriber passwords for upper lists to 
> lower lists in a subscription hierarchy.

... which I find to be the most annoying feature of mailman (the
password reminders). But yes, I know what umbrella_list does.

-- 
martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
 
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From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Feb 19 14:18:49 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:18:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cascaded lists -- any tips?
In-Reply-To: <4034B3FE.1090700@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <20040212142701.GA17576@diamond.madduck.net>
	<4033F6E7.3060201@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<20040219092416.GD17496@piper.madduck.net>
	<4034B3FE.1090700@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <20040219131849.GC28949@diamond.madduck.net>

also sprach Tokio Kikuchi <tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp> [2004.02.19.1402 +0100]:
> Or, .... Hmm... You may hack SpamDetect.py's last line as
> 
> --- SpamDetect.py.orig  Thu Feb 19 21:40:56 2004
> +++ SpamDetect.py       Thu Feb 19 21:43:14 2004
> @@ -122,4 +122,4 @@
>                  if action == mm_cfg.HOLD:
>                      hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, HeaderMatchHold)
>                  if action == mm_cfg.ACCEPT:
> -                    return
> +                    msgdata['approved'] = 1
> 
> and put the A list address in privacy/spam / accept header
> reg-expression.

This is a hack, right? Essentially, I am using the spam whitelist to
circumvent all moderation for certain recipients. Albeit rather
dirty, this may be my best call for now, since the spam regexps are
otherwise not used.

It would be great to have two whitelists for sender and receiver for
each list, which cause approval without moderation checks.

-- 
martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
 
invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver!
 
all information contained in the above is false,
for reasons of military security.
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From vkalogero at winweb.gr  Thu Feb 19 09:07:42 2004
From: vkalogero at winweb.gr (=?iso-8859-7?B?wuHz6evl6e/yIMrh6+/j5fHv8O/16+/y?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:07:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman German
Message-ID: <000601c3f6bf$7457bf80$571805d5@oemcomputer>




From hutch at midwales.com  Thu Feb 19 14:46:26 2004
From: hutch at midwales.com (Bob Hutchinson)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:46:26 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error file almost 100 megs in size
In-Reply-To: <E1AsTUe-0006ar-00@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
References: <E1AsTUe-0006ar-00@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4034BE32.7090206@midwales.com>



David Anderson wrote:
>    Greetings from Tennessee, everyone,
> 
> This error file resides in the logs folder. Can it be overwritten with a 
> new document by the same name? Mine is waaaaay too large.

Use logrotate.

> 
> What permissions does it need?

Whatever permissions are on it now

> 
> Thank you.
> 
>     Aaron Anderson    http://housechurch.org
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
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From mylists at oneparkplace.com  Thu Feb 19 15:30:39 2004
From: mylists at oneparkplace.com (Brian Haines)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:30:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Technical questions?
Message-ID: <00fb01c3f6f4$f5ff0590$0a01a8c0@brian2600>

I am new to Mailman and managing mailing lists. I have a dedicated server
with a large announcement list and we are using Mailman 2.1.4 and Python
2.3.3. with Sendmail 8.11.6 as the MTA.

The list is installed into the /usr/local/ directory

I have questions like...

If I needed to stop a message because I have an important announcement to
make but a previous announcement (less important) is being sent - how would
I do this? I have secure shell access and I run "service mailman stop" but a
couple of processes still keep going and even when I kill -9 these, sendmail
is still pumping away and I can't just start Mailman and send because the
whole things just picks the original list back up and goes to work.

Where are the messages? In the above scenario I have removed all the files
in the directories under /qfiles and under /locks but the list keeps going.

We sometimes have several announcements a day to several groups (lists) of
people, but a list of 50,000 takes all day to run. I can't send anything to
any other group (list) while that is going - It just gets queued behind the
first and delivered late (next day).

I have had these questions for weeks and have not asked them here because
they seem technical rather than user related, but I am it. This whole ball
has fallen on my lap and I can't imagine that I need a separate server for
each list? That is crazy, no?

It seems kind of odd to me that there is no documentation referencing these
questions and searches in the list archives come up with no related items
pages deep into the results. I must be missing something.

Is there any document that describes what each of the folders in the
distribution is?

********************************************************
I would really like to know how I can just put an end to all Mailman
activity (including bounce handling) and have it not pick back up when
restarted, so I can get out something urgent.
********************************************************

Thanks for any and all help in advance. I will contribute my findings to the
list for the archives in the event that I am not the only moron with these
questions.

Thanks,

Brian





From maurice at hypercube.demon.nl  Thu Feb 19 15:55:04 2004
From: maurice at hypercube.demon.nl (Maurice Snellen)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:55:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  error file almost 100 megs in size
In-Reply-To: <4034BE32.7090206@midwales.com>
References: <E1AsTUe-0006ar-00@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
	<4034BE32.7090206@midwales.com>
Message-ID: <603055848.20040219155504@hypercube.demon.nl>

On Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 13:46 (which was Thursday, February
19, 2004 at 14:46 where I am) Bob Hutchinson wrote:

> Use logrotate.

I also have logrotate installed, but have not yet configured it to
take care of the mailman logs. Would you be willing to share your
logrotate configuration for mailman logs?

-- 
Greetings,
Maurice




From maurice at hypercube.demon.nl  Thu Feb 19 15:56:42 2004
From: maurice at hypercube.demon.nl (Maurice Snellen)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:56:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How to deal with mailman-2.1.4 NotAMemberError ?
In-Reply-To: <01c801c3f6a9$138c65e0$880e69a2@chenfei>
References: <01c801c3f6a9$138c65e0$880e69a2@chenfei>
Message-ID: <1774998896.20040219155642@hypercube.demon.nl>

On Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 13:27 (which was Thursday, February
19, 2004 at 6:27 where I am) Chen Fei wrote:

> I installed mailman-2.1.4. But when the Mailman verify if the
> user email is valid,the following bug occur.
> How can I solve it?

I would also be interested in knowing that. Several of my users have
also reported having run into this message but as my knowledge of
Python is close to non-existant I wouldn't dare try and solve it
myself.

-- 
Greetings,
Maurice




From fchen at uclab.org  Thu Feb 19 16:16:55 2004
From: fchen at uclab.org (Chen Fei)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:16:55 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How to deal with mailman-2.1.4
	NotAMemberError ?
References: <01c801c3f6a9$138c65e0$880e69a2@chenfei>
	<1774998896.20040219155642@hypercube.demon.nl>
Message-ID: <006a01c3f6fb$6c20a9d0$887269a2@Seven>

I have found a way to solve it .
I downloaded another SecurityManager.py (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py)
and overrided the  former one. The problem has not happened again, and I am not very clear and not sure if this is a correct method.
I hope this is useful to you.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Maurice Snellen" <maurice at hypercube.demon.nl>
To: "Chen Fei on Mailman-Users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:56 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How to deal with mailman-2.1.4 NotAMemberError ?


> On Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 13:27 (which was Thursday, February
> 19, 2004 at 6:27 where I am) Chen Fei wrote:
> 
> > I installed mailman-2.1.4. But when the Mailman verify if the
> > user email is valid,the following bug occur.
> > How can I solve it?
> 
> I would also be interested in knowing that. Several of my users have
> also reported having run into this message but as my knowledge of
> Python is close to non-existant I wouldn't dare try and solve it
> myself.
> 
> -- 
> Greetings,
> Maurice
> 
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From hutchlists at midwales.com  Thu Feb 19 16:34:41 2004
From: hutchlists at midwales.com (Bob Hutchinson)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:34:41 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  error file almost 100 megs in size
In-Reply-To: <603055848.20040219155504@hypercube.demon.nl>
References: <E1AsTUe-0006ar-00@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net>	<4034BE32.7090206@midwales.com>
	<603055848.20040219155504@hypercube.demon.nl>
Message-ID: <4034D791.1080403@midwales.com>



Maurice Snellen wrote:
> On Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 13:46 (which was Thursday, February
> 19, 2004 at 14:46 where I am) Bob Hutchinson wrote:
> 
> 
>>Use logrotate.
> 
> 
> I also have logrotate installed, but have not yet configured it to
> take care of the mailman logs. Would you be willing to share your
> logrotate configuration for mailman logs?
> 

/usr/local/mailman/logs/* {
	# rotate once a week
	weekly
	# or rotate by size
	# size=200k

	notifempty

	# keep 2 months worth
	rotate 8
}

see man logrotate for details



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From jgrunder at miis.edu  Thu Feb 19 17:55:00 2004
From: jgrunder at miis.edu (John Grunder)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:55:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on forwarded admin requests.
In-Reply-To: <253F017E-6269-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <253F017E-6269-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <fc.006640e00299d86e3b9aca00e9c41b56.299d8f9@miis.edu>

Thanks for the advice Richard.  Does turning on the Administrative filter
force Mailman to check for administrative commands in the subject line
only?  I get the sense that some of the list members trying to get off of
the list simply enter a phrase such as "Yes, unsubscribe me from the list
too!".  I am sure that this comes from the body of the message, rather
than the subject line.

I think we have some people that just can't follow directions.

Richard Barrett <r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk> writes:
>
>On 18 Feb 2004, at 20:18, John Grunder wrote:
>
>> Has anyone seen a situation in Mailmain 2.1 where administrative 
>> requests
>> (subscribe, unsubscribe) might be forwarded back to the unmoderated 
>> list,
>> and thereby to the general list members?
>>
>> Is there a setting which could make this happen?
>
>The "(Administrivia filter) Check postings and ...?", the administrivia 
>option, on the General Options web admin GUI page for a list will 
>affect detection of administrative messages sent to a list's primary 
>mail alias. If turned off this will prevent the administrivia filter 
>operating and ensure that, for instance, subscribe and unsubscribe 
>requests are not diverted from the list to the list admin.
>
>The default for this list attribute is controlled on list creation by 
>the value of the DEFAULT_ADMINISTRIVIA configuration variable in the 
>$prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py
>
>>
>> We have a list which was converted over from Majordomo last month to
>> Mailman and now all of the members are being flooded with messages from
>> the list requesting to unsubscribe.  Since this overloads other 
>> member's
>> mailboxes, they too are asking to unsubscribe, and the wave builds.  We
>> need to stop this somehow.
>
>Why not send a message to the list with a mailto link to the 
>listname-unsubscribe mail alias and text reminding people to use that 
>alias to unsubscribe.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk
>





From yves at zioup.com  Thu Feb 19 17:48:00 2004
From: yves at zioup.com (Yves Dorfsman)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:48:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with domain name
In-Reply-To: <00fb01c3f6f4$f5ff0590$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
References: <00fb01c3f6f4$f5ff0590$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0402190939510.12658@ginette>


Hi,

I am trying to setup mailman for an organisation that has a three piece
domain name, say A.B.org.

In mm_cfg.py, I put:
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/something/'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailserver.A.B.org'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)


When I go on the web to www.A.B.org/something/listinfo, right at the top
in the blue space it says:

www.A.B.org Mailing Lists

Same when I go to create a mailing list, it says:
Create a www.A.B.org Mailing List

"www" is a CNAME for the web server where mailman is running, but where
does it pick it up ? Shouldn't it be just the domain name ?


Thanks.

Yves.
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From yves at zioup.com  Thu Feb 19 17:39:45 2004
From: yves at zioup.com (Yves Dorfsman)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:39:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web and mail server on two different platforms
In-Reply-To: <00fb01c3f6f4$f5ff0590$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
References: <00fb01c3f6f4$f5ff0590$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0402190934530.12658@ginette>


Hi,

I am trying to install mailman in an environment where the web server is
running on Linux, and the mail server on OpenBSD.

After several failures, here is my plan of attack:

I plan to:
-run ./configure on the web server all the way to make install
-exact same thing on the mail server
-share out /usr/local/mailman/data from the mail server via nfs
-mount /usr/local/mailman/data from the mail server on the web server
-keep Mailman/mm-cfg.py in sync on both machines.


Make sense ?
Something simpler to propose ?
Better way of doing it ?

Thanks,


Yves.
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From simon at caperet.com  Thu Feb 19 18:00:07 2004
From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:00:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web and mail server on two different platforms
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0402190934530.12658@ginette>
References: <00fb01c3f6f4$f5ff0590$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
	<Pine.LNX.4.53.0402190934530.12658@ginette>
Message-ID: <20040219170007.GU11134@mediadev.com>

19-Feb-04 at 09:39, Yves Dorfsman (yves at zioup.com) wrote :
> I am trying to install mailman in an environment where the web server is
> running on Linux, and the mail server on OpenBSD.
> 
> After several failures, here is my plan of attack:
> 
> I plan to:
> -run ./configure on the web server all the way to make install
> -exact same thing on the mail server
> -share out /usr/local/mailman/data from the mail server via nfs
> -mount /usr/local/mailman/data from the mail server on the web server
> -keep Mailman/mm-cfg.py in sync on both machines.

You don't have to have the MTA on the same machine, you could make this
work over two machines. You will need to run an internal MTA on the
Mailman machine though, like Postfix, then use the outside MTA (OpenBSD)
as the relayhost for the Linux box.

Or do you have specific architecture considerations to take into account
that I'm not thinking about?

Regards,

-- 
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email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access
     Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team.



From simon at caperet.com  Thu Feb 19 18:06:39 2004
From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:06:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with domain name
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0402190939510.12658@ginette>
References: <00fb01c3f6f4$f5ff0590$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
	<Pine.LNX.4.53.0402190939510.12658@ginette>
Message-ID: <20040219170639.GA22802@mediadev.com>

19-Feb-04 at 09:48, Yves Dorfsman (yves at zioup.com) wrote :
> I am trying to setup mailman for an organisation that has a three piece
> domain name, say A.B.org.
> 
> In mm_cfg.py, I put:
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/something/'
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailserver.A.B.org'
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> 
> When I go on the web to www.A.B.org/something/listinfo, right at the top
> in the blue space it says:
> 
> www.A.B.org Mailing Lists
> 
> "www" is a CNAME for the web server where mailman is running, but where
> does it pick it up ? Shouldn't it be just the domain name ?

What does "hostname" say?

Regards,

-- 
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email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access
     Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team.



From wmoses at houston.rr.com  Thu Feb 19 19:08:16 2004
From: wmoses at houston.rr.com (wmoses at houston.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:08:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notifications of subscriptions etc ...
Message-ID: <19938719a248.19a248199387@texas.rr.com>


This is a reposting of my question asked yesterday. Can anyone shed any light on this problem? Any similar experiences?

From: wmoses 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notifications of subscriptions etc ... 
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:38:05 -0800 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have Mailman 2.1.3.

I noticed that the only way I can get notifications of subscriptions etc. at my 
moderator address is if I have the notify list administrator set to "Yes".

This results in me getting duplicates. I want notifications to go only to the 
moderator(s).

What am I missing?

Wayne




From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Feb 19 19:06:32 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:06:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problem related to Hotmail
In-Reply-To: <E1AtglL-0004za-Vd@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AtglL-0004za-Vd@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040219115933.01bdbec0@127.0.0.1>

Nick vd Kloor wrote:
>since a month now our company is using Mailman 2.1.4. Our
>membersdatabase is for 60% filled by Hotmail users.
>Now we noticed that none of these hotmailusers receive our mailings.
>So I tested it with another mailman database with only 2 hotmail users
>which I copied from our main database. When I then
>send an email, they do receive it. After searching the net for a
>solution I only read that it is the Hotmail spooler that blocks and
>discards mails when it receives mail in a large number. Is this true?
>Is there a way to bypass this? Like a delay between the mails that are
>being sent?

      One issue is the Hotmail spam filters.  There is a post in the 
archives by me that covers this.  You could get around this by setting 
partial personalization.  I've got one 5000 person list that runs this way, 
and the CPU hit is not extreme.  As for a cut off number, I have one list 
without personalization that currently sends to 62 Hotmail addresses 
without a problem.  So setting your chunk size to 60 should also take care 
of it.

<>< Paul





From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Feb 19 19:29:42 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:29:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: how to auto-allow messages from any address?
In-Reply-To: <E1AtglL-0004za-Vd@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AtglL-0004za-Vd@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040219120606.01f8ae70@127.0.0.1>

Luka  wrote:
>Is there any way for mailman to except mail from any address, ...

      Easy..  Go to 
http://<server.tld>/mailman/admin/<listname>/privacy/sender .  At the 
bottom you will see:

"Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action 
is defined."

      Choose Hold or Accept, and submit changes.

<>< Paul





From drmanek at vsnl.com  Sat Feb  7 16:59:54 2004
From: drmanek at vsnl.com (kishore manek)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:29:54 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UNSUBSCRIBE.
Message-ID: <000d01c3ed93$6d6f6c20$2b09010a@worldnet>

kindly cancel my name from the mailing list . I have been trying to do the same since last 2 weeks, did not succed. As a personal plaese help to unsubscribe. Thanks in advance.


From lists at lastonepicked.com  Thu Feb 19 19:30:35 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:30:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tuning Questions for Large List
Message-ID: <BC5A40CB.10016D%lists@lastonepicked.com>

Not sure the original made it to the list... Resending.

We are running MM 2.1.1 on RH7.2.

We have an announce list with 27,000 members. Delivery to the list takes
FOREVER.

I am looking for some tuning tips.

For one, the default config is using SMTPDirect, not sendmail:

#DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
MTA = 'Manual'
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500
SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 0
MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 0

Would sendmail be faster?

Should I setup a caching nameserver on the machine to speed lookups?

How do I ensure that messages are being sent efficiently (i.e. AOL.com
recipients are sent in least number of transactions, etc...).

Any help is appreciated!

Hunter




From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Feb 19 19:34:50 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:34:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: adding email address to footer
In-Reply-To: <E1AtoeD-0007Rm-9P@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AtoeD-0007Rm-9P@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040219121310.01f97880@127.0.0.1>

E Publisher wrote:
>How do I add the member's email address to my message?
>
>For example, in the footer of messages that come from this Mailman
>users list it has:
>
>"This message was sent to: {my email address}"
>
>How can I do that to my own lists?

      First you need to turn on personalization.  Go to 
http://<server.tld>/mailman/admin/<listname>/nondigest.  Yes will work, you 
don't need full for this.  Then edit your footer (below on the same 
page).  Some useful variables are:

(user_delivered_to)s    is the users e-mail
%(user_password)s    is the users password
%(user_optionsurl)s    is the users personal options page
%(real_name)s           is the list name
%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s    is the list posting address


<>< Paul





From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Feb 19 19:56:00 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:56:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: adding email address to footer - correction
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040219125524.01bc9ec0@127.0.0.1>

      Lost a % in the cut and paste.

%(user_delivered_to)s    is the users e-mail


<>< Paul





From jamie at silverdream.org  Thu Feb 19 20:36:33 2004
From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:36:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding email address to footer
In-Reply-To: <s034f108.065@macqnw2.racp.edu.au>
References: <s034f108.065@macqnw2.racp.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1077219393.16411.21.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 06:22, E Publisher wrote:
> How do I add the member's email address to my message?
> 
> For example, in the footer of messages that come from this Mailman
> users list it has: 
> 
> "This message was sent to: {my email address}"
> 
> How can I do that to my own lists?

You need to enable personalisation:

Under Non-Digest options, ensure that 'personalize' is set to either Yes
or Full. Then you can make use of additional variables, one of which
being user_address, which is the user's address, and user_delivered_to
which is the address that the user subscribed with.

HTH

-

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From nielsen at oz.net  Thu Feb 19 20:37:25 2004
From: nielsen at oz.net (Bob Nielsen)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:37:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with domain name
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0402190939510.12658@ginette>
References: <00fb01c3f6f4$f5ff0590$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
	<Pine.LNX.4.53.0402190939510.12658@ginette>
Message-ID: <20040219193725.GA1700@office.n7xy.net>

On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 09:48:00AM -0700, Yves Dorfsman wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to setup mailman for an organisation that has a three piece
> domain name, say A.B.org.
> 
> In mm_cfg.py, I put:
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/something/'
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailserver.A.B.org'
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> 
> 
> When I go on the web to www.A.B.org/something/listinfo, right at the top
> in the blue space it says:
> 
> www.A.B.org Mailing Lists
> 
> Same when I go to create a mailing list, it says:
> Create a www.A.B.org Mailing List
> 
> "www" is a CNAME for the web server where mailman is running, but where
> does it pick it up ? Shouldn't it be just the domain name ?

I think that mailman picks it up from the URL you use to access it.  I
have a web server on my local network and if I access it using an alias
that I have in /etc/hosts, the page shows that alias name.  Try it
without the "www" and see if you get a different result.




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Feb 19 21:08:38 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:08:38 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on forwarded admin requests.
In-Reply-To: <fc.006640e00299d86e3b9aca00e9c41b56.299d8f9@miis.edu>
References: <253F017E-6269-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<fc.006640e00299d86e3b9aca00e9c41b56.299d8f9@miis.edu>
Message-ID: <67B08C30-6317-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

John

On 19 Feb 2004, at 16:55, John Grunder wrote:

> Thanks for the advice Richard.  Does turning on the Administrative 
> filter
> force Mailman to check for administrative commands in the subject line
> only?  I get the sense that some of the list members trying to get off 
> of
> the list simply enter a phrase such as "Yes, unsubscribe me from the 
> list
> too!".  I am sure that this comes from the body of the message, rather
> than the subject line.
>

The code that does the checking is a function called is_administrivia() 
in the file $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py

 From a quick look at the Python code (which is quite legible if you 
want to take a look yourself) it appears to check both the subject line 
and the first 5 lines of the message body.

The check applied is to look for any of a set of words defined as keys 
to a dictionary called ADMINDATA in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py. These 
include unsubscribe, subscribe and others from the lexicon of email in 
commands that are majordomo'ish.

The criteria that appear to be applied are that the first word of the 
subject or one of the first 5 body line is one of the key words and the 
number of words following that keyword on the line are between limits 
prescribed by min and max values in ADMINDATA associated with that 
keyword.

So, your "Yes, unsubscribe me from the list too!" example would be 
missed, but a simple "UnSubScriBe" would be detected as administrivia.

It should be quite simple to modify the algorithm to allow the key word 
to be the zeroth to some configurable n'th word on the line which might 
work better for you but I would want to add some checks, say on the 
maximum number of non-blank lines in the body and such to avoid 
generating too many false positives for administrivia from legitimate 
messages. It might also be worth opening up the number of words that 
can follow the keyword.

If you want me to send you a modified version of 
$prefix/Mailman/Utils.py incorporating my thoughts then let me know.

> I think we have some people that just can't follow directions.
>

Tell me about it. First you have to get them to read it, then to 
understand it; I am uncertain as to which is the more difficult. Still 
without the users where would we be: happy and out of work :)

Regards

Richard

> Richard Barrett <r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk> writes:
>>
>> On 18 Feb 2004, at 20:18, John Grunder wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone seen a situation in Mailmain 2.1 where administrative
>>> requests
>>> (subscribe, unsubscribe) might be forwarded back to the unmoderated
>>> list,
>>> and thereby to the general list members?
>>>
>>> Is there a setting which could make this happen?
>>
>> The "(Administrivia filter) Check postings and ...?", the 
>> administrivia
>> option, on the General Options web admin GUI page for a list will
>> affect detection of administrative messages sent to a list's primary
>> mail alias. If turned off this will prevent the administrivia filter
>> operating and ensure that, for instance, subscribe and unsubscribe
>> requests are not diverted from the list to the list admin.
>>
>> The default for this list attribute is controlled on list creation by
>> the value of the DEFAULT_ADMINISTRIVIA configuration variable in the
>> $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py
>>
>>>
>>> We have a list which was converted over from Majordomo last month to
>>> Mailman and now all of the members are being flooded with messages 
>>> from
>>> the list requesting to unsubscribe.  Since this overloads other
>>> member's
>>> mailboxes, they too are asking to unsubscribe, and the wave builds.  
>>> We
>>> need to stop this somehow.
>>
>> Why not send a message to the list with a mailto link to the
>> listname-unsubscribe mail alias and text reminding people to use that
>> alias to unsubscribe.




From yves at zioup.com  Thu Feb 19 21:25:53 2004
From: yves at zioup.com (Yves Dorfsman)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:25:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web and mail server on two different platforms
In-Reply-To: <20040219170007.GU11134@mediadev.com>
References: <00fb01c3f6f4$f5ff0590$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
	<Pine.LNX.4.53.0402190934530.12658@ginette>
	<20040219170007.GU11134@mediadev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0402191323370.12658@ginette>


On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Simon White wrote:

> 19-Feb-04 at 09:39, Yves Dorfsman (yves at zioup.com) wrote :

> > I am trying to install mailman in an environment where the web server is
> > running on Linux, and the mail server on OpenBSD.

> You don't have to have the MTA on the same machine, you could make this
> work over two machines. You will need to run an internal MTA on the
> Mailman machine though, like Postfix, then use the outside MTA (OpenBSD)
> as the relayhost for the Linux box.

But you do need to have the mailman executable on the MTA, and the cgi-bin
executable on the webserver, right ?

That's why I was thinking of building the complete three on both, and
sharing mailman/data via NFS (I do need to share data, right ?).


Yves.
----
                                         http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~dorfsmay
                                         http://www.SollerS.ca




From yves at zioup.com  Thu Feb 19 21:35:17 2004
From: yves at zioup.com (Yves Dorfsman)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:35:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with domain name
In-Reply-To: <20040219170639.GA22802@mediadev.com>
References: <00fb01c3f6f4$f5ff0590$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
	<Pine.LNX.4.53.0402190939510.12658@ginette>
	<20040219170639.GA22802@mediadev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0402191326370.12658@ginette>



On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Simon White wrote:

> 19-Feb-04 at 09:48, Yves Dorfsman (yves at zioup.com) wrote :
> > I am trying to setup mailman for an organisation that has a three piece
> > domain name, say A.B.org.
> >
> > When I go on the web to www.A.B.org/something/listinfo, right at the top
> > in the blue space it says:
> >
> > www.A.B.org Mailing Lists
> >
> > "www" is a CNAME for the web server where mailman is running, but where
> > does it pick it up ? Shouldn't it be just the domain name ?
>
> What does "hostname" say?

"hostname" will say yet another name (say machine1), which is the name
that is the A record. Should the name at the top of the page be the
hostname, or the domain name ??

Yves.
----
                                         http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~dorfsmay
                                         http://www.SollerS.ca




From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Thu Feb 19 20:25:06 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:25:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many users can be in a mailing list?
References: <BAY9-DAV26frpwoYItn00003731@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <alm.20040219202512.17164@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

"Doina Bein" schrieb:

>   I was reading through the documentation and I could not find how
> many usesrs can you handle. I do not need an excat number, but some
> round ups (500, 1000, 10000, 50000, etc).

Depends on your MTA, your configuration and your machine (CPU, RAM,
disks).

-thh




From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Thu Feb 19 20:31:34 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:31:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Loop Problems - Need Help
References: <3FC28B31.8010908@lindows.com> <402DFD1C.70204@nasioncom.net>
Message-ID: <alm.20040219203136.17165@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

"ARTD (Malaysia)" schrieb:

> I'm running a mailman list with about 400 members and often get into a 
> loop problem when someone puts on an auto "out-of-office" reply back to 
> the list and that creates an endless loop.
>
> Could anyone please advise me how to stop such loops?

Set those people who are using badly broken autoresponders [1] on
"moderated". Or unsubscribe them - someone who is not able to use a
mailing-list properly should not use one at all.

Otherwise you can try to catch those autoreplies with expressions for
the spam filter.

-thh

[1] Autoresponders should not respond to mails from mailing lists.
They should not respond to Reply-To:. They should not send more than
one mail to each recipient for every $x days. (How old is the
"vacation"-program? Five years? Ten? Fifteen? And there are *still*
people getting it wrong.) And, of course, you should never activate
autoresponders on accounts you have subscribend to a mailing list.




From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Thu Feb 19 20:34:04 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:34:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
References: <008101c3f669$9a49c270$fc4bbacc@lollis>
Message-ID: <alm.20040219203406.17166@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

"David & Tricia Lollis" schrieb:

> I am on a list powered by the "Mailman". I would like to start a new
> list using this...but I am "clueless" as to how to begin. I have a
> website to "attach" it to that uses Apache...just how would I get
> started? 

Please read the installation instruction that come with the software
and check the documentation that is present on <http://www.list.org/>,
including the FAQ. It is much easier when you can ask some more ...
specific questions.

-thh




From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Thu Feb 19 20:23:16 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:23:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP
References: <4B537FDF71761B4C89702B74A967F2BC42A81D@mail.elnusa.co.id>
Message-ID: <alm.20040219202318.17163@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

"Mildianto Junaidi" schrieb:

> 	I got error when create new list in mailman 2.1.8
> 	the message is "you are not authorized to create a new mailing list"
> 	I had searched in google but I cant find the solution

What a pity.

> 	Help, what is the solution

Use the right password in the password box on the bottom of the
screen.

BTW, you did you get Mailman 2.1.8? That version sounds interesting.

-thh




From wfroning at Pacific.EDU  Thu Feb 19 22:26:20 2004
From: wfroning at Pacific.EDU (Will Froning)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:26:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Senddigest error
In-Reply-To: <20040219131309.54c618f9@daemon>
References: <20040219131309.54c618f9@daemon>
Message-ID: <20040219132620.45b9e0bf@daemon>

Found it.

senddigests -l LISTNAME

Thanks,
Will

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:13:09 -0800
Will Froning <wfroning at Pacific.EDU> wrote:

> I came accross the below error today and I can't seem to find the
> offending e-mail.  I did a quick look over
> ~/lists/LISTNAME/digest.mbox, nothing umped out at me.
> 
> Is there a way to process each of the digests individually to help
> narrow dow the problem?
> 
> Mailman 2.1.1 w/ htDig
> python 2.2.1 on FBSD 4.8
> 
> Thanks,
> Will
> 
> --------------ERROR-----------------
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
>     mlist.send_digest_now()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in
> send_digest_now    ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in
> send_digests    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in
> send_i18n_digests    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in
> process    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in
> search_function    mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
> ValueError: Empty module name
> 
> -- 
> Will Froning
> Unix Sys. Admin.
> (209)946-7470
> (209)662-4725
> wfroning at Pacific.EDU


-- 
Will Froning
Unix Sys. Admin.
(209)946-7470
(209)662-4725
wfroning at Pacific.EDU



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Feb 19 22:02:40 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:02:40 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with domain name
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0402190939510.12658@ginette>
References: <00fb01c3f6f4$f5ff0590$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
	<Pine.LNX.4.53.0402190939510.12658@ginette>
Message-ID: <F46A1A0F-631E-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 19 Feb 2004, at 16:48, Yves Dorfsman wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to setup mailman for an organisation that has a three piece
> domain name, say A.B.org.
>
> In mm_cfg.py, I put:
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/something/'
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailserver.A.B.org'
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
>
> When I go on the web to www.A.B.org/something/listinfo, right at the 
> top
> in the blue space it says:
>
> www.A.B.org Mailing Lists
>
> Same when I go to create a mailing list, it says:
> Create a www.A.B.org Mailing List
>
> "www" is a CNAME for the web server where mailman is running, but where
> does it pick it up ? Shouldn't it be just the domain name ?
>

If in doubt read the code. The bit you want is the function 
get_domain() in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py. It is quicker and easier to 
read the Python code than try to write down the explanation in English 
(or language of your choice).

>
> Thanks.
>
> Yves.
> ----
>                                          
> http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~dorfsmay
>                                          http://www.SollerS.ca
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From mike at ftl.com  Thu Feb 19 22:53:15 2004
From: mike at ftl.com (Mike Smith)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:53:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <alm.20040219203406.17166@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
Message-ID: <003601c3f732$c9f75180$071be4d1@na.cp.net>

unsubscribe


From stefan.knoess at napro-software.de  Thu Feb 19 22:29:36 2004
From: stefan.knoess at napro-software.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Kn=F6=DF?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:29:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ordinal not in range(128)
In-Reply-To: <alm.20040218231441.17138@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
References: <924707161.20040218175326@napro-software.de>
	<alm.20040218231441.17138@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
Message-ID: <13510381885.20040219222936@napro-software.de>

>> I am using Mailman 2.1.4 on Debian/Woody with python 2.1/2.2. When users send
>> a confirm email (eg subscription and approval) that contains international
>> characters like ??? I get the following error in mailman/log/error:

TH> Do those emails have the right MIME-Headers? If not, the clients that
TH> send them are broken - without that there must not be any characters
TH> other than 7bit-ASCII in the mail body or the headers.

Thanks for the hint about MIME-Headers. I have got a feeling of getting closer.
The mails that produce errors all have "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit" in the
mail header. But they are composed by different mail clients (eg "The Bat!", or
IMP/Horde webmail). I succeeded in reproducing the error with my own
mail-client. When the client is switched to "treat 8bit chars as quoted
printable" everything is fine. But 8bit encoding seemd to break my mailman. BTW:
the MTA is postfix 1.1.11 which is 8bitmime capable. So that should not be the
limiting problem. The problem is more that I am not very familiar with all that
MIME-stuff. Is there an easy way to make mailman ignore these strange 8bit
chars? Or maybe to convert to 7bit during delivery?

Regards
   Stefan Kn??
 (NAPRO-Software)





From mfs at sanellc.net  Thu Feb 19 23:02:39 2004
From: mfs at sanellc.net (Michael F. Sprague)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:02:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logging
Message-ID: <20040219220239.GB16359@dogfish.komerex.com>

Hi folks,

I hate to ask such a simple question, but I have been unable to find the
answer on my own yet.  How do I get mailman to log to the logs/* files?  No
matter what I do nothing shows up there?

thanks,
mikeS


-- 
Michael Sprague  | mfs at sanellc.net
Partner          | System and Network Engineering (SaNE), LLC
use STD::disclaimer;



From wfroning at Pacific.EDU  Thu Feb 19 22:13:09 2004
From: wfroning at Pacific.EDU (Will Froning)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:13:09 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Senddigest error
Message-ID: <20040219131309.54c618f9@daemon>

I came accross the below error today and I can't seem to find the
offending e-mail.  I did a quick look over ~/lists/LISTNAME/digest.mbox,
nothing umped out at me.

Is there a way to process each of the digests individually to help
narrow dow the problem?

Mailman 2.1.1 w/ htDig
python 2.2.1 on FBSD 4.8

Thanks,
Will

--------------ERROR-----------------
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
    mlist.send_digest_now()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in
send_digest_now    ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in
send_digests    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in
send_i18n_digests    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in
process    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in
search_function    mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
ValueError: Empty module name

-- 
Will Froning
Unix Sys. Admin.
(209)946-7470
(209)662-4725
wfroning at Pacific.EDU



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb 19 19:30:06 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:30:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I setup a list where only
	list  administrators can post mails to, like a newsletters mailinglist
In-Reply-To: <402A0676.2060505@ies.de>
References: <402A0676.2060505@ies.de>
Message-ID: <p06002002bc5ab1209f9e@[172.29.253.253]>

At 11:39 AM +0100 2004/02/11, J?rg Reiners wrote:

>  can someone tell me how to setup a list that does not accept postings
>  of normal subscribers ?

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb 19 19:31:54 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:31:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help info
In-Reply-To: <007901c3f0b1$a7a14eb0$e66cc041@DJRJT011>
References: <007901c3f0b1$a7a14eb0$e66cc041@DJRJT011>
Message-ID: <p06002003bc5ab141a72a@[172.29.253.253]>

At 9:13 AM -0600 2004/02/11, Sue~Web designing & Hosting at 
www.web-designing.org wrote:

>  My hosting company has your software installed on it's site ..  We love this
>  program for our crafting group but we have questions ..  Is there a help
>  manual or page on the site that explains each and all parts of this program?

	What documentation that exists is mostly found in the FAQ at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index> and in the 
archives.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb 19 19:42:54 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:42:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and OSX
In-Reply-To: <94841E78-5D6A-11D8-B955-000A95BAE250@d70.k12.il.us>
References: <94841E78-5D6A-11D8-B955-000A95BAE250@d70.k12.il.us>
Message-ID: <p06002004bc5ab22fdf29@[172.29.253.253]>

At 8:48 AM -0600 2004/02/12, Pam Imholz wrote:

>  I understand that Mailman is built into OSX Panther server but will
>  it work with 10.2.8 server as well if we download a copy?

	It should, yes.

>  Can you tell me if this is what Mailman does and if it would work
>  for us with 10.2.8 server? Thanks,

	Mailman can be used to manage mailing lists.  I'm not entirely 
sure that this is what you're asking for, however.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb 19 20:41:18 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:41:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two Dumb Questions (but are easy):
	Manual? & Mail 	Commands Won't Work
In-Reply-To: <011201c3f1b4$b68a2560$8064a8c0@wovennet.com>
References: <011201c3f1b4$b68a2560$8064a8c0@wovennet.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200abc5ac1a37e23@[172.29.253.253]>

At 5:08 PM -0500 2004/02/12, Doug Piper wrote:

>  1. Is there a thorough manual on Mailman that I can download and print (so I
>  won't have to ask dumb questions)?

	What documentation that exists can be found at 
<http://www.list.org/>.  There is no "manual" that I know of.

>  2. My Mailman seems to be working fine except users aren't able to do the
>  following....nothing happens when an e-mail is sent to (name is just a
>  substitute for the URL). subscribe at name.com, unsubscribe at name.com
>  help at name.com , join at name.com, leave at name.com . Is this a setting needs
>  correcting?

	Try sending to listname-subscribe at name.com, etc....

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb 19 20:43:23 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:43:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html messages in archive
In-Reply-To: <029901c3f1c8$91257450$0e00a8c0@newtech>
References: <029901c3f1c8$91257450$0e00a8c0@newtech>
Message-ID: <p0600200bbc5ac21899c1@[172.29.253.253]>

At 4:30 PM -0800 2004/02/12, Richard D. Dover wrote:

>  I want html messages to appear in the public archive. In other
>  words I want a person to click on the link for a message and when
>  it opens up it is in the original html format it was sent.
>
>  What do I need to do so that it is not 'scrubbed'?

	You need to use a different archiving agent, other than the 
built-in pipermail.

	Try mhonarc.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.004.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb 19 19:29:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:29:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many users can be in a mailing
 list?
In-Reply-To: <BAY9-DAV26frpwoYItn00003731@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY9-DAV26frpwoYItn00003731@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06002001bc5ab07c7926@[172.29.253.253]>

At 11:09 AM -0800 2004/02/10, Doina Bein wrote:

>    I was reading through the documentation and I could not find how
>  many usesrs can you handle. I do not need an excat number, but some
>  round ups (500, 1000, 10000, 50000, etc).

	There are existing Mailman mailing lists with over 200,000 users, 
and the largest Mailman mailing lists I've heard of had over 400,000.

	Of course, with larger lists, you need to throw larger resources 
at handling the load.  Don't throw a Pentium-90 with 32MB of RAM and 
a single 500MB SASI hard drive at this problem and expect it to 
handle a large number of recipients.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb 19 20:45:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:45:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman national support
In-Reply-To: <402CA2C8.8010202@mit.bme.hu>
References: <402CA2C8.8010202@mit.bme.hu>
Message-ID: <p0600200cbc5ac28db52c@[172.29.253.253]>

At 11:11 AM +0100 2004/02/13, Istvan Kollar wrote:

>  Moreover, the present Hungarian sentences are partly wrong, or unfinished.
>  A series of corrections are necessary. Is there anybody who maintains
>  tese texts?

	According to <http://www.list.org/i18n.html>, you should contact 
vizisz at freemail.hu and Funk.Gabor at hunetkft.hu.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb 19 20:46:32 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:46:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems
In-Reply-To: <499944EE-5E29-11D8-ACF5-000A959D1044@matrixj.com>
References: <499944EE-5E29-11D8-ACF5-000A959D1044@matrixj.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200dbc5ac2f6cd93@[172.29.253.253]>

At 8:34 AM -0500 2004/02/13, Joshua Kolbe wrote:

>  Hi, attached is the error page I'm getting when I try to access my
>  mailman admin page.  I have an OS X Panther server.  If you could
>  tell me what I can do to fix this, that would be great.

	Your attachment was stripped.  Could you provide the information 
within the text of your e-mail?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb 19 20:58:19 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:58:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scheduling emails
In-Reply-To: <20040216181732.18271.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040216181732.18271.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200fbc5ac5976b5c@[172.29.253.253]>

At 10:17 AM -0800 2004/02/16, energyteacher wrote:

>  Is there any add on script available for Mailman to do
>  scheduling, i.e. to put messages in to be sent at a
>  later date autmatically - not '4 days after' but on
>  specific dates?

	Not within mailman, no.

	You need to use the scheduling facilities to do this sort of 
thing which are provided by your OS.  For Unix and Unix-like OSes 
(such as MacOS X), that would be "cron".  Similar facilities are 
available under Microsoft OSes, although I believe you may need 
third-party utilities to do that.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb 19 21:16:30 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:16:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tuning Questions
In-Reply-To: <BC5976A6.FFE47%lists@lastonepicked.com>
References: <BC5976A6.FFE47%lists@lastonepicked.com>
Message-ID: <p06002012bc5ac9985bb2@[172.29.253.253]>

At 8:08 PM -0800 2004/02/18, Hunter Hillegas wrote:

>  We have an announce list with 27,000 members. Delivery to the list takes
>  FOREVER.

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.011.htp>, 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.006.htp>, 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.008.htp>.

	Also, depending on whether you're using Exim, sendmail, postfix, 
or qmail, see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.002.htp>, 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.003.htp>, 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.004.htp>, 
or 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.005.htp>, 
respectively.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb 19 21:19:37 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:19:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding email address to footer
In-Reply-To: <s034f108.065@macqnw2.racp.edu.au>
References: <s034f108.065@macqnw2.racp.edu.au>
Message-ID: <p06002013bc5aca5387a2@[172.29.253.253]>

At 5:22 PM +1100 2004/02/19, E Publisher wrote:

>  How do I add the member's email address to my message?
>
>  For example, in the footer of messages that come from this Mailman
>  users list it has:
>
>  "This message was sent to: {my email address}"
>
>  How can I do that to my own lists?

	You want to enable full personalization for the list.  This will 
require that you turn on VERP support.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.002.htp>.

	You may also be interested in 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.012.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb 19 21:28:38 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:28:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Features
In-Reply-To: <10423297621246@fsbmail1.fsb.org.uk>
References: <10423297621246@fsbmail1.fsb.org.uk>
Message-ID: <p06002014bc5acae7aa47@[172.29.253.253]>

At 10:42 AM +0000 2004/02/19, Graham Moseley wrote:

>  We want to introduce a mailing system into our organisation which consists
>  of approximately 200,000 members. Can anyone confirm that mailman will be
>  capable of the following

	There are known Mailman installations with more than 200,000 
recipients, and I've heard of lists that had more than 400,000 
recipients.  These are large lists, and would need to have adequate 
resources given to their operation.  But if you give them enough of 
the right hardware, properly configured, this shouldn't be a problem.

>  1. Provide both one-way lists and broadcast lists with optional digests and
>  subscribe/unsubscribe - with flexible -per-list moderation control.

	Yup.

>  2. Programmable mailout control with programmable delays and scheduling

	You can achieve this with the facilities provided with your OS.

>  3. List import/export by text file and database with the ability to link to
>  a variety of databases

	I'm not sure what you mean.  Could you clarify?

>  4. Simple, remote access for moderators to add/remove/hold/modify users

	Yup.

>  5. Substitution to allow user info to be inserted into the lists

	To a degree, messages can be personalized.  However, this will 
hurt your performance, and for the size of list you're talking about, 
this may be a very serious issue.

>  6. HTML and plain emails

	Handling HTML e-mail is more complex than most people realize, 
especially when you start talking about taking HTML e-mail on input 
and then adding things to it before you send it back out again. 
Mailman largely deals with this issue by stripping HTML and 
converting it to text.

>  7. Ability to handle unlimited lists of unlimited size

	Unlimited lists of unlimited size?!?  There is not a single 
mailing list manager on the *PLANET* that can legitimately make 
*THAT* claim.

	If you need to be able to handle millions of users, your choices 
are going to be very, very limited, and they are going to be very, 
very expensive.  I'm not aware of any mailing list managers in the 
world that can go beyond these levels.

>  8. Straight forward pop3 in and smtp (with authentication option) out

	Mailman doesn't do POP3.  That's a POP server, an entirely 
unrelated program.  Try QPopper.  For SMTPAUTH, that would be handled 
by your MTA -- try sendmail or postfix.

	Mailman leaves the handling of other protocols to other programs, 
and focuses on dealing with the issues of managing mailing lists.

>  Most importantly it needs a simple to use interface and the scheduling must
>  not be done by command-line or multiple copies of program, but in the
>  environment.

	Mailman does not do this.  You can do scheduling outside of 
Mailman, with the facilities provided by your OS (if it is Unix or 
Unix-like), or through third party utilities (if you're on a 
Microsoft OS).

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Feb 19 21:40:55 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:40:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Technical questions?
In-Reply-To: <00fb01c3f6f4$f5ff0590$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
References: <00fb01c3f6f4$f5ff0590$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
Message-ID: <p06002015bc5acd3734f2@[172.29.253.253]>

At 9:30 AM -0500 2004/02/19, Brian Haines wrote:

>  We sometimes have several announcements a day to several groups (lists) of
>  people, but a list of 50,000 takes all day to run. I can't send anything to
>  any other group (list) while that is going - It just gets queued behind the
>  first and delivered late (next day).

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.011.htp>, 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.006.htp>, 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.008.htp>.

	See also 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.003.htp>.

>  I have had these questions for weeks and have not asked them here because
>  they seem technical rather than user related, but I am it. This whole ball
>  has fallen on my lap and I can't imagine that I need a separate server for
>  each list? That is crazy, no?

	Well, 50,000 users is fairly large for Mailman.  If you have the 
right hardware configured correctly, you should be able to handle 
this number of users fairly easily, and pretty much clear your queues 
in short order (I'd expect to be able to do it in less than an hour 
per incoming message).

	However, if you don't have the right hardware configured 
correctly, then handling 5,000 users may be too hard.

>  It seems kind of odd to me that there is no documentation referencing these
>  questions and searches in the list archives come up with no related items
>  pages deep into the results. I must be missing something.

	See the FAQ.  ;-)

>  Thanks for any and all help in advance. I will contribute my findings to the
>  list for the archives in the event that I am not the only moron with these
>  questions.

	Actually, the best place for this sort of stuff is the FAQ.  It 
is user supported, you just have to use the provided password in 
order to be able to create an entry or modify an existing one.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Feb 20 00:55:21 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:55:21 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] cascaded lists -- any
	tips?
In-Reply-To: <4034B3FE.1090700@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <20040212142701.GA17576@diamond.madduck.net>	<4033F6E7.3060201@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>	<20040219092416.GD17496@piper.madduck.net>
	<4034B3FE.1090700@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <40354CE9.9040206@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Folks,

Never mind this. I was confused. There is no bug.

> Hey! developers. 'return' in the last line may be a bug. If you have
> an 'accept' rule on top of the sapm filter list, the rest of the rules
> may be skipped.
> 

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb 20 00:58:31 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 00:58:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problem related to Hotmail
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040219115933.01bdbec0@127.0.0.1>
References: <E1AtglL-0004za-Vd@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.2.0.0.20040219115933.01bdbec0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <p06002017bc5afddf9c53@[172.29.253.253]>

At 12:06 PM -0600 2004/02/19, Paul H Byerly wrote:

>                                                       As for a cut
>  off number, I have one list without personalization that currently
>  sends to 62 Hotmail addresses without a problem.  So setting your
>  chunk size to 60 should also take care of it.

	If this doesn't work, use a cutoff number that is half the size, 
and try again.  Keeping cutting the chunk size in half until you find 
a solution that works.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb 20 01:02:54 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:02:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web and mail server on two different
 platforms
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0402191323370.12658@ginette>
References: <00fb01c3f6f4$f5ff0590$0a01a8c0@brian2600>
	<Pine.LNX.4.53.0402190934530.12658@ginette>
	<20040219170007.GU11134@mediadev.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.53.0402191323370.12658@ginette>
Message-ID: <p06002018bc5afe98c7b8@[172.29.253.253]>

At 1:25 PM -0700 2004/02/19, Yves Dorfsman wrote:

>  That's why I was thinking of building the complete three on both, and
>  sharing mailman/data via NFS (I do need to share data, right ?).

	Sharing e-mail over NFS is always troublesome.  A better division 
of labour is to have the webserver/mailing list manager on one 
machine, and have it dump all its outbound mail on a mail-only server 
that is configured to handle that load well for a large mailing list.

	Better yet, use a whole cluster of outbound machines.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com  Fri Feb 20 02:19:56 2004
From: multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com (multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:19:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership Management And Other Problems.
Message-ID: <54na30tnmdnegbokeogts7ptktb9lvgqmh@4ax.com>

Greetings,

I cannot "Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not
currently visible" to on, in the membership management section in any
list.

I have set 

OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1

In /Mailman/mm_cfgy.py

But still have the same problem.

Also I cannot set or unset digest for all users, any thing I overlooked?

This was happening before the changes made in the next issue explained
below.

In the last couple of days we had to reconfigure reverse mapping in DNS
for the server, and now the URLs that Mailman builds in the list admin
and info pages are pointing to the old host name, is there a way of
correcting this, without re-installing mailman from scratch?

Any pointers, clues will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your assistance.





From burik at casino-well.com  Fri Feb 20 02:24:36 2004
From: burik at casino-well.com (Sergio Barerro)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 04:24:36 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hope you can help
In-Reply-To: <3FFDE162.000003.02348@MAIN>
Message-ID: <000601c3f750$4e2ca960$6a06020a@Peterfom>


unsubscribe




From multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com  Fri Feb 20 03:17:03 2004
From: multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com (multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:17:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership Management And Other Problems.
In-Reply-To: <54na30tnmdnegbokeogts7ptktb9lvgqmh@4ax.com>
References: <54na30tnmdnegbokeogts7ptktb9lvgqmh@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <5dqa305ck9lqmrd6egskib15k9t4mvfiou@4ax.com>

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:19:56 -0800, multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com wrote:

>Greetings,
>
>I cannot "Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not
>currently visible" to on, in the membership management section in any
>list.
>
>I have set 
>
>OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1
>
>In /Mailman/mm_cfgy.py
>
>But still have the same problem.
>
>Also I cannot set or unset digest for all users, any thing I overlooked?
>
>This was happening before the changes made in the next issue explained
>below.
>
>In the last couple of days we had to reconfigure reverse mapping in DNS
>for the server, and now the URLs that Mailman builds in the list admin
>and info pages are pointing to the old host name, is there a way of
>correcting this, without re-installing mailman from scratch?
>
>Any pointers, clues will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thank you for your assistance.
>

I have found the answer to my own questions.

The moderation bit can be set from 

Privacy options 
[Sender filters] 

"By default, should new list member postings be moderated? "
[  ]No  [ X ] Yes

And that takes care of the problem.

The other problem was the ServerName in httpd.conf in Apache needed to
be changed, and after restarting the server that was corrected too.

Now the only problem that I am left with is, for some reason, no images
are shown in mailman html pages, I have checked httpd.conf


 ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
  Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/"
  <Directory "/usr/local/mailman/archives">
    Options +FollowSymlinks
  </Directory>


And again, followed the instructions in the installation documentation
as follows:

% cp /usr/local/mailman/icons/*.{jpg,png} /usr/local/apache/icons

Restarted Apache.


Made sure that the  line to  /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
as follows:

IMAGE_LOGOS = '/images/'

Is still there, still no images are showing.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.




From multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com  Fri Feb 20 03:17:16 2004
From: multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com (multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:17:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership Management And Other Problems.
In-Reply-To: <54na30tnmdnegbokeogts7ptktb9lvgqmh@4ax.com>
References: <54na30tnmdnegbokeogts7ptktb9lvgqmh@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <9hra3016ape7dbcg873leq9ljend8hoe75@4ax.com>

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:19:56 -0800, multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com wrote:

>Greetings,
>
>I cannot "Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not
>currently visible" to on, in the membership management section in any
>list.
>
>I have set 
>
>OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1
>
>In /Mailman/mm_cfgy.py
>
>But still have the same problem.
>
>Also I cannot set or unset digest for all users, any thing I overlooked?
>
>This was happening before the changes made in the next issue explained
>below.
>
>In the last couple of days we had to reconfigure reverse mapping in DNS
>for the server, and now the URLs that Mailman builds in the list admin
>and info pages are pointing to the old host name, is there a way of
>correcting this, without re-installing mailman from scratch?
>
>Any pointers, clues will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thank you for your assistance.
>

I have found the answer to my own questions.

The moderation bit can be set from 

Privacy options 
[Sender filters] 

"By default, should new list member postings be moderated? "
[  ]No  [ X ] Yes

And that takes care of the problem.

The other problem was the ServerName in httpd.conf in Apache needed to
be changed, and after restarting the server that was corrected too.

Now the only problem that I am left with is, for some reason, no images
are shown in mailman html pages, I have checked httpd.conf


 ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
  Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/"
  <Directory "/usr/local/mailman/archives">
    Options +FollowSymlinks
  </Directory>


And again, followed the instructions in the installation documentation
as follows:

% cp /usr/local/mailman/icons/*.{jpg,png} /usr/local/apache/icons

Restarted Apache.


Made sure that the  line to  /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
as follows:

IMAGE_LOGOS = '/images/'

Is still there, still no images are showing.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.




From adam at rosi-kessel.org  Fri Feb 20 06:03:19 2004
From: adam at rosi-kessel.org (Adam Kessel)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 00:03:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Unknown virtual host on create list
Message-ID: <20040220050319.GA10899@joehill.bostoncoop.net>

When I try to create a new list through the web interface, I get the
error:

Error: Unknown virtual host: [domain name]

This same problem has appeared twice on this list recently with no
responses:

"Error: Unknown virtual host" when creating a new list
Andrew Stebakov
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg22086.html

Unknown virtual host
Mark Edwards
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg22002.html

Any ideas how to solve this problem?  It is apparently widespread enough
that three of us have encountered it independently.
-- 
Adam Kessel
http://adam.rosi-kessel.org



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Feb 20 06:29:53 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:29:53 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Unknown virtual host on create list
In-Reply-To: <20040220050319.GA10899@joehill.bostoncoop.net>
References: <20040220050319.GA10899@joehill.bostoncoop.net>
Message-ID: <40359B51.1040607@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Adam Kessel wrote:

> When I try to create a new list through the web interface, I get the
> error:
> 
> Error: Unknown virtual host: [domain name]

Are you sure that the virtual host you are working on is properly 
registered in mailman virtual host database by
  add_virtualhost('www.example.com','smtp.example.com')
in mm_cfg.py ?

> 
> This same problem has appeared twice on this list recently with no
> responses:
> 
> "Error: Unknown virtual host" when creating a new list
> Andrew Stebakov
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg22086.html
> 
> Unknown virtual host
> Mark Edwards
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg22002.html
> 
> Any ideas how to solve this problem?  It is apparently widespread enough
> that three of us have encountered it independently.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From patricklesslie at iinet.net.au  Fri Feb 20 08:47:44 2004
From: patricklesslie at iinet.net.au (Patrick Lesslie)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:47:44 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] trouble after security upgrade
Message-ID: <20040220074744.GB5091@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>

I apologise if this has been covered recently.

Recently I upgraded mailman running on Debian stable to meet a
security upgrade.  A couple of days later I noticed that posts
weren't appearing, and "help" to -request wasn't being answered.

I downgraded again and all the messages came through, with none
lost or unanswered.  The messages hadn't been in the exim queue,
so mailman must have queued them.

Errors like this were repeated in /var/log/mailman/error:

Feb 11 05:47:05 2004 qrunner(19980): Traceback (most recent call last):
Feb 11 05:47:05 2004 qrunner(19980):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Feb 11 05:47:05 2004 qrunner(19980):      kids = main(lock)
Feb 11 05:47:05 2004 qrunner(19980):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
Feb 11 05:47:05 2004 qrunner(19980):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Feb 11 05:47:05 2004 qrunner(19980):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
Feb 11 05:47:05 2004 qrunner(19980):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Feb 11 05:47:05 2004 qrunner(19980):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 163, in ParseMailCommands
Feb 11 05:47:09 2004 qrunner(19980):      splitsubj = string.split(subject)
Feb 11 05:47:09 2004 qrunner(19980):   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/string.py", line 114, in split
Feb 11 05:47:09 2004 qrunner(19980):      return s.split(sep, maxsplit)
Feb 11 05:47:09 2004 qrunner(19980): AttributeError :  'None' object has no attribute 'split' 

Since I downgraded it's been fine.  The upgrade was from
2.0.11-1woody5 to 2.0.11-1woody7.  I'd like to upgrade but of course
I'd like to avoid this problem.  Should I be stopping some processes
first?

Thanks,
Patrick Lesslie



From christian.haessig at ircad.u-strasbg.fr  Fri Feb 20 14:09:26 2004
From: christian.haessig at ircad.u-strasbg.fr (Christian HAESSIG)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:09:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive and attachment problem
Message-ID: <NEBBKLPBNKPFDEPLPMNKAEFKFNAA.christian.haessig@ircad.u-strasbg.fr>

Hi everybody,

I have a little question : does mailman (in the 2.0.13 version) support
mails with attachment in the archive section ?
When I send an email with attachment using the mail MUA on debian, people in
the list get the mail without problem, but in the archive, the attachment
appears directly in the mail body (in MIME or uuencoded format, it depends
on the way I send the mail).

Does anyone have information about this ?

Thanks in advance !

Chris




From adam at rosi-kessel.org  Fri Feb 20 14:49:15 2004
From: adam at rosi-kessel.org (Adam Kessel)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:49:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Unknown virtual host on create list
In-Reply-To: <40359B51.1040607@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <20040220050319.GA10899@joehill.bostoncoop.net>
	<40359B51.1040607@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <20040220134915.GA3060@joehill.bostoncoop.net>

On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 02:29:53PM +0900, Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
> Adam Kessel wrote:
> >When I try to create a new list through the web interface, I get the
> >error:
> >Error: Unknown virtual host: [domain name]
> Are you sure that the virtual host you are working on is properly 
> registered in mailman virtual host database by
>  add_virtualhost('www.example.com','smtp.example.com')
> in mm_cfg.py ?

That fixes it, although I'm not sure why this should count as a virtual
host.  My system's hostname is bostoncoop.net, and even when trying to
create a list through <http://bostoncoop.net/mailman/create> I still got
the virtual host error.  Do you have to add_virtualhost for *every* host
that you plan on creating lists from, even when it is the canonical
hostname?

If that's the case, perhaps it should be documented somewher.  If not,
maybe mailman isn't properly detecting what is the "real" hostname?
-- 
Adam Kessel
http://adam.rosi-kessel.org



From srb at umich.edu  Fri Feb 20 14:51:23 2004
From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:51:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive and attachment problem
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKLPBNKPFDEPLPMNKAEFKFNAA.christian.haessig@ircad.u-strasbg.fr>
References: <NEBBKLPBNKPFDEPLPMNKAEFKFNAA.christian.haessig@ircad.u-strasbg.
	fr>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1077267082@srb.icpsr.umich.edu>

--On Friday, February 20, 2004 2:09 PM +0100 Christian HAESSIG 
<christian.haessig at ircad.u-strasbg.fr> wrote:

> I have a little question : does mailman (in the 2.0.13 version) support
> mails with attachment in the archive section ?
> When I send an email with attachment using the mail MUA on debian, people
> in the list get the mail without problem, but in the archive, the
> attachment appears directly in the mail body (in MIME or uuencoded
> format, it depends on the way I send the mail).
>
> Does anyone have information about this ?
>
> Thanks in advance !

To which I reply:

You need to upgrade to Mailman 2.1 -- the included pipermail there properly 
(by my definition of properly, at least :-) sets the attachment aside, 
leaving a link in the archive.

-- 
Steve Burling                                    <mailto:srb at umich.edu>
University of Michigan, ICPSR                    Voice: +1 734 615.3779
330 Packard Street                               FAX:   +1 734 647.8700
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910



From javier.romero at cedex.es  Fri Feb 20 14:51:26 2004
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:51:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with moderated list
Message-ID: <403610DE.5000702@cedex.es>

Could somebody write me where messages-waiting-to-moderation are stored?
i have problem with moderation, messages are lost...

this is my config, and i think i have to share more directories than 
/list and / archives.....
_________________________________________________
Hi people!

The two machines has the same DNSname, but diferent IP number.
two mailmans are working good... you can create list from  two
machines... i put special attention in user and groups, and i had to
change the mailman uid&gid to be the same number in 3 machines
(mailman1,mailman2,NFS store).


Ok, i installed two mailman first, i linked (ln -s) /archives & /lists 
to two NFS directories and checkperms -f to solve permision problems.

This is a mailman machine (Sunfire v120, solaris 8):
bash-2.03$ cd /usr/local/mailman/
bash-2.03$ ls -la
total 54
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      512 Oct 29 11:06 .
drwxr-xr-x  11 root     other        512 Sep 19 12:00 ..
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman       26 Jul  3  2003 archives -> 
/dirarcon/mailman/archives
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     1024 Oct  7 12:23 bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 cgi-bin
-rw-r-----   1 root     mailman     4133 Oct 22 10:42 config.pck
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:25 cron
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     2048 Nov  9 08:38 data
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 icons
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman       23 Jul  3  2003 lists -> 
/dirarcon/mailman/lists
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jan 22 09:45 locks
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  1 08:26 logs
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 mail
drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman     1536 Nov  3 14:20 Mailman
drwxrwsr-x  24 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 11:27 messages
drwxrwsr-x   6 root     mailman      512 Jul  1  2003 pythonlib
drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 11:34 qfiles
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:42 scripts
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1  2003 spam
drwxrwsr-x  26 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 11:27 templates
drwxrwsr-x   4 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 tests


Now is fully working good, if you create a new list two machines can 
view them, and all is working ok since 3 months.


Before this, sometimes lists got locked, but Richard gave me the fix:

Richard's solution------------------------------------------------------

 From a quick look at the code, I think this may happen if a message has 
an invalid Content-type: header of the form:

Content-type: text/foo; charset=

That is, it has a charset parameter but no actual value has been 
assigned to it. But I could be wrong.

As a quick fix you could try changing line 280 of 
$prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py from:

        if charset is None or charset == 'us-ascii':

to:

        if charset is None or charset == '' or charset == 'us-ascii':

If you try this hack let me know whether it works or not. I am not sure 
if this is the best long term fix but if it appears to work I will look 
at the problem a bit further.

Do not forget to backup the Scrubber.py before changing it in case you 
have to revert to the original.

Regards

Richard
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

i hope you enjoy this installation, it works, and if a mailman machine 
crash you have other machine to continue working with mailmans

Regards and Thank you for your help!

-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX





From rbrekne at broadpark.no  Thu Feb 19 20:33:22 2004
From: rbrekne at broadpark.no (Richard Brekne)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:33:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmain archive filtering
Message-ID: <000001c3f71f$3cd49f00$0200000a@Homeputer>

We have a mailman list server running and recently there has been requests
for the capablility of filtering what has been allowed to be posted to the
list in general for evntual insertion into the archives.

 

Much of what is posted is allowed on the list, yet a good deal of that is
not worth saving.

 

We were wondering if it is possible to require posters to the list to
include a short signalment, f.exs. [Arch] if they want their post to be
included in the archives.

 

Is this possible ?

 

Thank you for your help

 

Richard Brekne

Pianotech PTG



From jason at intervis.com.au  Thu Feb 19 23:13:18 2004
From: jason at intervis.com.au (Jason Marty)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:13:18 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customising web pages
Message-ID: <BC5B802E.5ED0%jason@intervis.com.au>

Hi 
I have just installed Panther which has Mailman included.
Does anyone know where I might find the html pages so I can customise them
myself?

Many thanks

Jason


From richardmason at insightbb.com  Fri Feb 20 03:55:17 2004
From: richardmason at insightbb.com (Rich Mason)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:55:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
Message-ID: <LFELJKNOIJBHIMEICEJIOENDCIAA.richardmason@insightbb.com>

To whom it may concern,

	Can I use Mailman as strictly a way to distribute information to a list of
users without them being able to e-mail other people on the list? If so, can
I put several users to send out information on the list without the problem
I described above?

Thank You Very Much,
Richard Mason




From chris at dibona.com  Fri Feb 20 16:04:07 2004
From: chris at dibona.com (Chris DiBona)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:04:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Funny little problem...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402200659510.1628-100000@pvf.dibona.com>


Here's a funny bounce problem we're having, one we fixed by disabling 
bounce protection, which is non-optimal, of course. 

Spammer pathetically sends email to one of our 540 or so closed lists.
list admin at client gets notice that spam/virus is waiting for judgement.
Antivirus software at client go bling, and bounces the mail.
Mailman, logically, says "that mailbox isn't accepting mail, lets suspend 
then unsubscribe that user"

So that's my funny change of event. Our choices were, of course:

Cut a hole in the virus scanner 'user's mail people: not gonna happen.'
Hack up Mailman/Bouncers/* 
Shut off bounce detection. 

What could we have done differently. I figured there might be some 
combination of score and expiration, but the problem needed to be fixed 
absolutely.

Thoughts, and thanks!

 Chris DiBona 




From prandini at ideafutura.com  Fri Feb 20 16:51:08 2004
From: prandini at ideafutura.com (Marco Prandini)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:51:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approving by e-mail moderated messages and
	subscriptions
Message-ID: <40362CEC.7020606@ideafutura.com>


Hello list,
I just started configuring some lists under Mailman and I'm not able to find a
couple of configuration options I need. I browsed the docs with no luck.

I'd like to administer the lists entirely by e-mail, and in particular I need
to be able to confirm posts to a moderate list and to approve (un)subscription
requests.

However, when I try a subscription the owner receives a message telling him to
go to the admin URL in order to approve it... no hints about how to do it by
e-mail whatsoever...

Could you help me?

Thanks in advance,
  Marco






From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Fri Feb 20 19:10:44 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:10:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing
Message-ID: <E1AuF6q-0003iR-72@ohio.stageserver.net>

I do not have access to logs generated by MailMan. Is there a way 
through the GUI to see the incrementing bounce scores?



From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Feb 20 20:18:41 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:18:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Question on forwarded admin requests.
In-Reply-To: <E1AtuXO-0000GI-W4@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AtuXO-0000GI-W4@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040220131613.05af1508@127.0.0.1>

On 02:12 PM 2/19/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>The code that does the checking is a function called is_administrivia()
>in the file $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py
>
>  From a quick look at the Python code (which is quite legible if you
>want to take a look yourself) it appears to check both the subject line
>and the first 5 lines of the message body.
>
>The check applied is to look for any of a set of words defined as keys
>to a dictionary called ADMINDATA in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py. These
>include unsubscribe, subscribe and others from the lexicon of email in
>commands that are majordomo'ish.
>
>The criteria that appear to be applied are that the first word of the
>subject or one of the first 5 body line is one of the key words and the
>number of words following that keyword on the line are between limits
>prescribed by min and max values in ADMINDATA associated with that
>keyword.

      So, could the same system be tweaked to reject any mail sent with 
"Re: <listname> Digest" in the subject?  This is a feature on another list 
I am on, and I'd really like to add it to my system.  I'd also like to 
reject e-mail which quotes my list footer, but that is the end of the 
e-mail.  Any thoughts or code gladly accepted!

<>< Paul





From gilsales at ag.arizona.edu  Fri Feb 20 21:54:53 2004
From: gilsales at ag.arizona.edu (Gil Salazar)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:54:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with announced list on web
In-Reply-To: <E1AuE4G-0001lF-EA@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <E1AuHfr-0007FV-Vw@mail.python.org>

 I have successfully installed Mailman 2.1.4 and moved over list from an
older version and all seem to be working. The problem I am having is that
the lists that should be announced on the listinfo pages are not showing up.
The page says no list available and I know there are some set to be
announced. Check_perms shows that all is fine.
Can anyone think of some place I may be forgetting to check.

Thanks in advance
Gil S
Univ of Arizona




From alblack at achilles.net  Sat Feb 21 05:17:34 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:17:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Question on forwarded admin requests.
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040220131613.05af1508@127.0.0.1>
References: <E1AtuXO-0000GI-W4@mail.python.org>
	<E1AtuXO-0000GI-W4@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040220230911.02bf1cd0@pop.achilles.net>

At 01:18 PM 2/20/2004 -0600, Paul H Byerly wrote:

>      So, could the same system be tweaked to reject any mail sent with 
> "Re: <listname> Digest" in the subject?  This is a feature on another 
> list I am on, and I'd really like to add it to my system.


There's a couple of way you can sort of do this now, fiddling  Max message 
size/Digest size options, and the taboo header options in 2.1.4.

A more elegant solution would be to put to alter the X-BeenThere: 
<listname> to X-BeenThere: <listname> --Digest version for list members 
with the digest version.  On the notion that many mailers would preseserve 
the X-BeenThere, it could be filtered for with the taboo header filters.

Has any of you written a hack of this?  I have no idea how to go about this.

Thanks,
al 




From michaelshawnburns at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 21 06:19:07 2004
From: michaelshawnburns at yahoo.com (Mike Burns)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:19:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Help!
Message-ID: <20040221051907.8408.qmail@web11802.mail.yahoo.com>

I host websites with EhostPros.com.  They use Mailman and something has broken on their end (I assume) about three weeks ago.  I run a soccer email list with about 500+ subscribers for a local soccer league.  People started complaining that they were not getting the messages I was posting.  In fact, I wasn't getting the message that I was posting.  After going round and round with my webhost provider, the talked me into deleting my virtual server and setting up a new one.  I did so and after much testing realized that the accounts able to post to the list but no receive from the list were Yahoo.com address and Hotmail.com addresses, possibly more.
 
Has something changed that would disallow receiving mail with these web base email providers?  I checked and the spam blockers are not filtering the messages out, they just are not arriving at all.  As you can imagine this is a big problem as a large majority of my members subscribe to these webmail services.
 
Any help for a semi-techy soccer player would really help!
 
Thanks
Mike Burns


From michaelshawnburns at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 21 06:20:14 2004
From: michaelshawnburns at yahoo.com (Mike Burns)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:20:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Help!
Message-ID: <20040221052014.90682.qmail@web11808.mail.yahoo.com>

I host websites with EhostPros.com.  They use Mailman and something has broken on their end (I assume) about three weeks ago.  I run a soccer email list with about 500+ subscribers for a local soccer league.  People started complaining that they were not getting the messages I was posting.  In fact, I wasn't getting the message that I was posting.  After going round and round with my webhost provider, the talked me into deleting my virtual server and setting up a new one.  I did so and after much testing realized that the accounts able to post to the list but no receive from the list were Yahoo.com address and Hotmail.com addresses, possibly more.
 
Has something changed that would disallow receiving mail with these web base email providers?  I checked and the spam blockers are not filtering the messages out, they just are not arriving at all.  As you can imagine this is a big problem as a large majority of my members subscribe to these webmail services.
 
Any help for a semi-techy soccer player would really help!
 
Thanks
Mike Burns
 
Alternate Email Address For Replies Can Be Sent To Jeanne at Webtelligent.com



From ahkitj at jnawk.net.nz  Sat Feb 21 10:33:34 2004
From: ahkitj at jnawk.net.nz (Jonathan Ah Kit)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:33:34 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List description HTML output as text...?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0402212230080.12278-100000@nitro.bafonline.net.nz>

Hi

I'm running now the current Debian sarge of mailman, 2.1.4-1, IIRC. I
think these URLs will probably suggest what's going on.
> http://greta.electric.gen.nz/mailman/listinfo/dr-fun-changes
> [also weekly-niue-news and internet-news]

If you don't have time, seems like my HTML in the list descriptions on the
listinfo pages isn't being turned into HTML. I've checked for the '<' and
'>' brackets when editing the description box in the admin pages, and they
haven't been changed. I'm suspecting an upgrade from the previous sarge
mailman.

Any clues?

Cheers
Jonathan

-- 
Jonathan Ah Kit - Lower Hutt - New Zealand
jonathan at ah-kit.dropbear.id.au - http://www.ah-kit.dropbear.id.au/
ahkitj at paradise.net.nz - ICQ#9747234 - http://www.electric.gen.nz/
Away message: Looking for adhesive tape, not Alibrandi.




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Sat Feb 21 12:41:48 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:41:48 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Unknown virtual host on create list
In-Reply-To: <20040220134915.GA3060@joehill.bostoncoop.net>
References: <20040220050319.GA10899@joehill.bostoncoop.net>	<40359B51.1040607@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<20040220134915.GA3060@joehill.bostoncoop.net>
Message-ID: <403743FC.4070709@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>


> That fixes it, although I'm not sure why this should count as a virtual
> host.  My system's hostname is bostoncoop.net, and even when trying to
> create a list through <http://bostoncoop.net/mailman/create> I still got
> the virtual host error.  Do you have to add_virtualhost for *every* host
> that you plan on creating lists from, even when it is the canonical
> hostname?

Yes. Actually, the canonical hostname / mail hostname pair is added in
the vhost db in Defaults.py if you have properly configured during
installation. Check your DEFAULT_{EMAIL|URL}_HOST in Defaults.py.

> If that's the case, perhaps it should be documented somewher.  If not,
> maybe mailman isn't properly detecting what is the "real" hostname?

Yeah, I have just added this in Mailman FAQ.
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.036.htp

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From paul at thcwd.com  Sat Feb 21 19:43:29 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:43:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Question on forwarded admin requests.
In-Reply-To: <E1AuaWQ-00032g-MV@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AuaWQ-00032g-MV@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040221123951.01e42eb0@127.0.0.1>

I asked:
> >      So, could the same system be tweaked to reject any mail sent with
> > "Re: <listname> Digest" in the subject?  This is a feature on another
> > list I am on, and I'd really like to add it to my system.


and Al Black wrote:
>There's a couple of way you can sort of do this now, fiddling  Max message
>size/Digest size options,

      Already have that.

>  and the taboo header options in 2.1.4.

      Ah, a reason to upgrade.  I have significant modifications py files 
to 2.1.2, and moving is going to be a real pain.  I suppose I will have to 
set up a second copy and work on it until it's right, then move things.

<>< Paul





From clawson at jungle.ca  Sat Feb 21 23:26:03 2004
From: clawson at jungle.ca (Chris Lawson)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:26:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URLs for virutal host user option pages
Message-ID: <EF5CDA66-64BC-11D8-9C73-000393113608@jungle.ca>

I am running mailman 2.1.2 on RH 8.0 and have several clients who host 
lists on their virtual domains.

I was customizing the HTML for the listinfo and user options pages, 
referencing a linked style sheet in their virtual server's root 
directory when I noticed that all the URLs on the pages were being 
built with my server's default domain name. So when a visitor visits 
their user options page, the link to the external style sheet fails.

I have set the list's preferred host name to the MX of virtual domain 
(atsu.org) and still the page is drawing the listinfo/atsuannounce page 
with my site's default host name in the form action.

I could use an absolute URL for the stylesheet reference in the virtual 
domain's template. But I don't like the idea of "changing domains" when 
submitting forms. It just looks a little hinky.

Am I missing something?

cmkl




From lrathle at teaser.fr  Sun Feb 22 00:48:52 2004
From: lrathle at teaser.fr (Laurent Rathle)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 23:48:52 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe members via mail
Message-ID: <c18n94$g0g$1@sea.gmane.org>


Hello,

I can't access the members management page of the mailing list I manage.
I'll send a pub report to the tracker with all informations, but meanwhile
I have to manage the list :-). Is there a way to manage members
subscription via the mail like you can do it with Sympa for exemple : a
special instruction in the body of the message. I watched the documentation
but didn't see anything (or I missed it).

Thank you,

-- 
Laurent Rathle
lrathle at teaser.fr




From patricklesslie at iinet.net.au  Sun Feb 22 01:35:20 2004
From: patricklesslie at iinet.net.au (Patrick Lesslie)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:35:20 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] solved: trouble after security upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20040220074744.GB5091@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>
References: <20040220074744.GB5091@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>
Message-ID: <20040222003520.GB2388@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>

On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 06:47:44PM +1100, Patrick Lesslie wrote:
> Recently I upgraded mailman running on Debian stable to meet a
> security upgrade.  A couple of days later I noticed that posts
> weren't appearing, and "help" to -request wasn't being answered.

From: Matt Zimmerman <mdz at debian.org>
To: debian-security-announce at lists.debian.org
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:00:04 -0800
Subject: [SECURITY] [DSA 436-2] New mailman packages fix bug introduced in DSA +436-1
...
In the process of fixing these vulnerabilities for DSA 436-1, a bug
was introduced which could cause mailman to crash on certain malformed
messages.

For the current stable distribution (woody) this problem has been
fixed in version 2.0.11-1woody8.



From yves at zioup.com  Sun Feb 22 08:27:08 2004
From: yves at zioup.com (Yves Dorfsman)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:27:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with the url
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0402220012460.21019@ginette>


In a fresh install I put:
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/xlist/'

At the end of Mailman/mm_cfg.py. It mainly works, but when I go to the
url/admin/mailman, I get prompted for a password, I enter it and get to
the admin menu for the mailman mailing list.

All the way here, the url's when I click are correct (xlist, and not
mailman). But then, all the url's on this page point to "mailman" instead
of "xlist".

Where else do I need to make this modification ?

Thanks.

Yves.
----
                                         http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~dorfsmay
                                         http://www.SollerS.ca




From hya at bluesite.com  Sat Feb 21 23:35:15 2004
From: hya at bluesite.com (Ho Yin Au)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:35:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possible XSS in Mailman 2.1.4
Message-ID: <4037DD23.2080201@bluesite.com>

Hi,

I think I've stumbled on a possible Cross-Site-Scripting vulnerability 
in Mailman 2.1.4.  Take a look:

* Set up a new list and configure it with private archives
* Try to view the archives - enter something like <script 
language="JavaScript">window.alert(document.cookie)</script> into the 
EMail Address box.  Click on "Let me in."

On a side note, is it possible for that page to not reveal any sensitive 
information such as path and environmental variables?

-Ho Yin




From neaton at k2nesoft.com  Fri Feb 20 15:50:35 2004
From: neaton at k2nesoft.com (neaton at k2nesoft.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:50:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter Lists
Message-ID: <LNBBKOPFMJFNINDCGPLOGEKNFCAA.neaton@k2nesoft.com>

I have mailman on my hosting site.  I know how to set everything up as far
as new subscribers to the newsletter, etc.  How do I submit a message to al
members informing them that the new newsletter is posted on the website?
Nancy Eaton
Bestsellersworld.com is where to go for all your book and shopping needs.
You will find book contests, book reviews, shopping links and much more!
Mysteries Galore is where to go for all your mystery book and shopping
needs.  You will find book contests, book reviews, mysteries to solve,
shopping links and much more!


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/04


From seanhaddy at jsbc.info  Sun Feb 22 04:24:37 2004
From: seanhaddy at jsbc.info (Sean Haddy)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:24:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need Help
Message-ID: <NIBBJNKDALEBOCDPJNOAEECCCAAA.seanhaddy@jsbc.info>

I am designing a site using flash mx. There is no way to send out variables
through flash with a dash "-" in the center of them. The password confirm
variable is: pw-conf. I would appreciate it if you could let me know how I
could get around this ( maybe edit a config file). Thanks

-Sean Haddy

                        Graphics | Web | Flash | Applications Custom
Designed media to fit your needs

                        Sean Haddy
                        Developer  57373 Joshua Lane
                        Yucca Valley, Ca 92284
                        seanhaddy at jsbc.info  mobile:  760 912 9844







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      Add me to your address book...


From leinadx at streamyx.com  Sun Feb 22 06:10:39 2004
From: leinadx at streamyx.com (Daniel Tan)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:10:39 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <000801c3f902$36f3bd20$7100000a@xdan>

can i get help by removing passwords option for subscribes?
how can i disable view archive list?
how can i disable subscriber's posting?

hope to hear from you soon!
daniel


From randykel at swbell.net  Sun Feb 22 22:58:36 2004
From: randykel at swbell.net (Randy Kelsoe)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:58:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Interface Password buttons don't work
Message-ID: <4039260C.2020308@swbell.net>

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Hi, All

I have installed mailman-2.1.2-2 on Fedora Core 1. If I go to the web
interface and log in as a user, The "Email my password to me" and the
"Change My Password" buttons do not do anything.

Also, I had this list running with RedHat 8.0, and had selected the
option to email each user a password reminder each month. This never
worked (no email reminders were sent).

Any suggestions?

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From rkpn at british-genealogy.com  Mon Feb 23 06:18:43 2004
From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:18:43 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Funny little problem...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402200659510.1628-100000@pvf.dibona.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402200659510.1628-100000@pvf.dibona.com>
Message-ID: <tgmSF$ez0YOAFA8m@neep.demon.co.uk>

In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402200659510.1628-100000 at pvf.dibona.com>, 
Chris DiBona <chris at dibona.com> writes
>
>Here's a funny bounce problem we're having, one we fixed by disabling
>bounce protection, which is non-optimal, of course.
>
>Spammer pathetically sends email to one of our 540 or so closed lists.
>list admin at client gets notice that spam/virus is waiting for judgement.
>Antivirus software at client go bling, and bounces the mail.
>Mailman, logically, says "that mailbox isn't accepting mail, lets suspend
>then unsubscribe that user"
>
>So that's my funny change of event. Our choices were, of course:
>
>Cut a hole in the virus scanner 'user's mail people: not gonna happen.'
>Hack up Mailman/Bouncers/*
>Shut off bounce detection.
>
>What could we have done differently. I figured there might be some
>combination of score and expiration, but the problem needed to be fixed
>absolutely.

In the first admin screen..... General Options

"Send mail to poster when their posting is held for approval?"

Set that to "NO"
and then the message doesn't get sent back to the user.

And that solves the problem.

Regards
Rod
-- 
Rod Neep
Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org
British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com



From rkpn at british-genealogy.com  Mon Feb 23 06:23:14 2004
From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:23:14 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approving by e-mail moderated messages
	and	subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <40362CEC.7020606@ideafutura.com>
References: <40362CEC.7020606@ideafutura.com>
Message-ID: <6waXBUfC5YOAFAeP@neep.demon.co.uk>

In message <40362CEC.7020606 at ideafutura.com>, Marco Prandini 
<prandini at ideafutura.com> writes
>
>Hello list,
>I just started configuring some lists under Mailman and I'm not able to find a
>couple of configuration options I need. I browsed the docs with no luck.
>
>I'd like to administer the lists entirely by e-mail, and in particular I need
>to be able to confirm posts to a moderate list and to approve (un)subscription
>requests.
>
>However, when I try a subscription the owner receives a message telling him to
>go to the admin URL in order to approve it... no hints about how to do it by
>e-mail whatsoever...
>
>Could you help me?

Actually, it also tells the new user that s/he can simply reply to the 
message "leaving the header intact" and it will be confirmed.

The "problem" is that may novice users will post a message back with a 
new subject line with the wording "Header Intact".

I just tell folks.... "when you receive the message asking for 
confirmation, just reply to it.... don't delete anything, don't change 
anything! Just post it straight back as a reply"

and that works.

Cheers
Rod

-- 
Rod Neep
Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org
British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com



From rkpn at british-genealogy.com  Mon Feb 23 06:34:58 2004
From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:34:58 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question?
In-Reply-To: <LFELJKNOIJBHIMEICEJIOENDCIAA.richardmason@insightbb.com>
References: <LFELJKNOIJBHIMEICEJIOENDCIAA.richardmason@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <5+q3CsgCEZOAFAvX@neep.demon.co.uk>

In message <LFELJKNOIJBHIMEICEJIOENDCIAA.richardmason at insightbb.com>, 
Rich Mason <richardmason at insightbb.com> writes
>To whom it may concern,
>
>       Can I use Mailman as strictly a way to distribute information to a list of
>users without them being able to e-mail other people on the list?
>
>Thank You Very Much,
>Richard Mason

Yes.

1. set all users "moderated"
    that prevents them from posting

2. set the archives to NONE

3. make sure that only the Admin can view the subscriber list

>If so, can
>I put several users to send out information on the list without the problem
>I described above?

Yes... Add them to the accept list for posting, and clear their 
moderated tag.

AND....

on the general options admin screen
Default options for new members joining this list.
Conceal the member's address

That's belt and braces...

Rod
-- 
Rod Neep
Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org
British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com



From patricklesslie at iinet.net.au  Mon Feb 23 06:44:57 2004
From: patricklesslie at iinet.net.au (Patrick Lesslie)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:44:57 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Interface Password buttons don't work
In-Reply-To: <4039260C.2020308@swbell.net>
References: <4039260C.2020308@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <20040223054457.GA4366@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>

On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 03:58:36PM -0600, Randy Kelsoe wrote:
> I have installed mailman-2.1.2-2 on Fedora Core 1. If I go to the web
> interface and log in as a user, The "Email my password to me" and the
> "Change My Password" buttons do not do anything.
> 
> Also, I had this list running with RedHat 8.0, and had selected the
> option to email each user a password reminder each month. This never
> worked (no email reminders were sent).

See if there is anything relevant in the mailman logs
(/var/log/mailman/ or somewhere like that).

Also you might want to find and check over your alias file(s).



From rkpn at british-genealogy.com  Mon Feb 23 06:49:32 2004
From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:49:32 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalised Mailing lists (PML)
Message-ID: <KeR762isRZOAFAK$@neep.demon.co.uk>


On a different mail system that I use (as a subscriber), it is possible 
to set up a PML (Personalised Mailing List).

It works like this:

An approved user can specify certain keywords. Then, when one of those 
keywords appears in a mail on *any* list on the system, a copy of that 
message is automatically posted to the user (even if they are not a 
subscriber to the list on which the message appears).

Its kind of neat... especially for use on something such as my lists, 
which are genealogy related. A keyword can be for example, a surname.

Is there any way that such a PML system can be evoked with Mailman?

Thanks
Rod
-- 
Rod Neep
Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org
British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com



From randykel at swbell.net  Mon Feb 23 07:17:43 2004
From: randykel at swbell.net (Randy Kelsoe)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:17:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Interface Password buttons don't work
In-Reply-To: <20040223054457.GA4366@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>
References: <4039260C.2020308@swbell.net>
	<20040223054457.GA4366@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>
Message-ID: <40399B07.1080202@swbell.net>

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Patrick Lesslie wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 03:58:36PM -0600, Randy Kelsoe wrote:
>
>>I have installed mailman-2.1.2-2 on Fedora Core 1. If I go to the web
>>interface and log in as a user, The "Email my password to me" and the
>>"Change My Password" buttons do not do anything.
>>
>>Also, I had this list running with RedHat 8.0, and had selected the
>>option to email each user a password reminder each month. This never
>>worked (no email reminders were sent).
>
>
> See if there is anything relevant in the mailman logs
> (/var/log/mailman/ or somewhere like that).
>
> Also you might want to find and check over your alias file(s).
>

I have looked at all the files under /var/log/mailman, and everything
there looks fine. There is nothing unusual in /var/log/messages.

I have looked at the aliases file, and it looks fine as well. I created
a new list and added one member, and I still have the same problem.

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From patricklesslie at iinet.net.au  Mon Feb 23 07:30:07 2004
From: patricklesslie at iinet.net.au (Patrick Lesslie)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:30:07 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Interface Password buttons don't work
In-Reply-To: <40399B07.1080202@swbell.net>
References: <4039260C.2020308@swbell.net>
	<20040223054457.GA4366@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>
	<40399B07.1080202@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <20040223063007.GD4366@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>

On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 12:17:43AM -0600, Randy Kelsoe wrote:
> Patrick Lesslie wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 03:58:36PM -0600, Randy Kelsoe wrote:
> >>I have installed mailman-2.1.2-2 on Fedora Core 1. If I go to the web
> >>interface and log in as a user, The "Email my password to me" and the
> >>"Change My Password" buttons do not do anything.
> >>
> >>Also, I had this list running with RedHat 8.0, and had selected the
> >>option to email each user a password reminder each month. This never
> >>worked (no email reminders were sent).
> >
> > See if there is anything relevant in the mailman logs
> > (/var/log/mailman/ or somewhere like that).
> >
> > Also you might want to find and check over your alias file(s).
> 
> I have looked at all the files under /var/log/mailman, and everything
> there looks fine. There is nothing unusual in /var/log/messages.
> 
> I have looked at the aliases file, and it looks fine as well. I created
> a new list and added one member, and I still have the same problem.

Ok.  Well, that's me out of ideas.  I guess you could check the mail
queue and the logs of your MTA to see if the messages left mailman.



From jwblist at olympus.net  Mon Feb 23 07:39:24 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:39:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Interface Password buttons don't work
In-Reply-To: <4039260C.2020308@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <BC5EE01C.D554%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 2/22/2004 13:58, "Randy Kelsoe" <randykel at swbell.net> wrote:

> I have installed mailman-2.1.2-2 on Fedora Core 1. If I go to the web
> interface and log in as a user, The "Email my password to me" and the
> "Change My Password" buttons do not do anything.
> 
> Also, I had this list running with RedHat 8.0, and had selected the
> option to email each user a password reminder each month. This never
> worked (no email reminders were sent).

Did you create the mailman list properly?

  --John



From randykel at swbell.net  Mon Feb 23 09:12:22 2004
From: randykel at swbell.net (Randy Kelsoe)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 02:12:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Interface Password buttons don't work
In-Reply-To: <BC5EE01C.D554%jwblist@olympus.net>
References: <BC5EE01C.D554%jwblist@olympus.net>
Message-ID: <4039B5E6.6090100@swbell.net>

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John W. Baxter wrote:
> On 2/22/2004 13:58, "Randy Kelsoe" <randykel at swbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I have installed mailman-2.1.2-2 on Fedora Core 1. If I go to the web
>>interface and log in as a user, The "Email my password to me" and the
>>"Change My Password" buttons do not do anything.
>>
>>Also, I had this list running with RedHat 8.0, and had selected the
>>option to email each user a password reminder each month. This never
>>worked (no email reminders were sent).
>
>
> Did you create the mailman list properly?
>

I created the new list with the newlist  command, and added the
generated aliases to the /etc/postfix/aliases file, then did a
'newaliases'. The list is working, I just can't change passwords or get
mailman to email a password from the web interface.

I did setup my list before I knew I had to create a list called
'mailman'. I will try creating a new list and see what happens.

For the email reminders, I can run the cron script manually.


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From christian.haessig at ircad.u-strasbg.fr  Mon Feb 23 09:45:37 2004
From: christian.haessig at ircad.u-strasbg.fr (Christian HAESSIG)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:45:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python problem at mailman 2.1.4 install ?
Message-ID: <NEBBKLPBNKPFDEPLPMNKMEHDFNAA.christian.haessig@ircad.u-strasbg.fr>

Hello everyone,

Last friday, I tried to build and install mailman 2.1.4.
The make install worked without any problem, but the qrunner cron job
returns the following error :

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?
    from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ?
    from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO

After check, the directory Mailman/pythonlib does not exist

Do you think this could be a python problem ? I use python 2.1.3 (and the
corresponding devel. package).

Is this a known problem ? If yes, does anyone know how to solve it ?

Thanks in advance !

Christian Haessig
Software engineer/Administrator
IRCAD/EITS
Phone : +33. (0)3.88.11.90.76
Fax   : +33. (0)3.88.11.90.99
mailto:christian.haessig at ircad.u-strasbg.fr




From javier.romero at cedex.es  Mon Feb 23 11:44:17 2004
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:44:17 +0100
Subject: [Fwd: [Mailman-Users] problems with moderated list]
Message-ID: <4039D981.9070408@cedex.es>


Could somebody write me where messages-waiting-to-moderation are stored?
i have problem with moderation, messages are lost...

this is my config, and i think i have to share more directories than 
/list and / archives.....
_________________________________________________
Hi people!

The two machines has the same DNSname, but diferent IP number.
two mailmans are working good... you can create list from  two
machines... i put special attention in user and groups, and i had to
change the mailman uid&gid to be the same number in 3 machines
(mailman1,mailman2,NFS store).


Ok, i installed two mailman first, i linked (ln -s) /archives & /lists 
to two NFS directories and checkperms -f to solve permision problems.

This is a mailman machine (Sunfire v120, solaris 8):
bash-2.03$ cd /usr/local/mailman/
bash-2.03$ ls -la
total 54
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      512 Oct 29 11:06 .
drwxr-xr-x  11 root     other        512 Sep 19 12:00 ..
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman       26 Jul  3  2003 archives -> 
/dirarcon/mailman/archives
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     1024 Oct  7 12:23 bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 cgi-bin
-rw-r-----   1 root     mailman     4133 Oct 22 10:42 config.pck
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:25 cron
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     2048 Nov  9 08:38 data
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 icons
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman       23 Jul  3  2003 lists -> 
/dirarcon/mailman/lists
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jan 22 09:45 locks
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  1 08:26 logs
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 mail
drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman     1536 Nov  3 14:20 Mailman
drwxrwsr-x  24 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 11:27 messages
drwxrwsr-x   6 root     mailman      512 Jul  1  2003 pythonlib
drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 11:34 qfiles
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:42 scripts
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1  2003 spam
drwxrwsr-x  26 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 11:27 templates
drwxrwsr-x   4 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 tests


Now is fully working good, if you create a new list two machines can 
view them, and all is working ok since 3 months.


Before this, sometimes lists got locked, but Richard gave me the fix:

Richard's solution------------------------------------------------------

>From a quick look at the code, I think this may happen if a message has 
an invalid Content-type: header of the form:

Content-type: text/foo; charset=

That is, it has a charset parameter but no actual value has been 
assigned to it. But I could be wrong.

As a quick fix you could try changing line 280 of 
$prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py from:

       if charset is None or charset == 'us-ascii':

to:

       if charset is None or charset == '' or charset == 'us-ascii':

If you try this hack let me know whether it works or not. I am not sure 
if this is the best long term fix but if it appears to work I will look 
at the problem a bit further.

Do not forget to backup the Scrubber.py before changing it in case you 
have to revert to the original.

Regards

Richard
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

i hope you enjoy this installation, it works, and if a mailman machine 
crash you have other machine to continue working with mailmans

Regards and Thank you for your help!

-- 
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 tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
    CEDEX



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From maurice at hypercube.demon.nl  Mon Feb 23 13:05:23 2004
From: maurice at hypercube.demon.nl (Maurice Snellen)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:05:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem submitting ignore requests from admin page
Message-ID: <9010527747.20040223130523@hypercube.demon.nl>

Listmembers:

The moderator of one of the lists that is running on my machine
contacted me because she is receiving an error message when processing
messages that should be ignored which were sent to the list from
addresses that are not subscribed. I've checked myself and I'm
receiving the same error:

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 
Traceback:


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/nlbdsmorg/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/nlbdsmorg/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 163, in main
    process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata)
  File "/var/mailman/nlbdsmorg/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 694, in process_form
    forward, forwardaddr)
  File "/var/mailman/nlbdsmorg/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 184, in HandleRequest
    forward, addr)
  File "/var/mailman/nlbdsmorg/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 373, in __handlepost
    syslog('vette', note)
  File "/var/mailman/nlbdsmorg/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 40, in write
    self.write_ex(kind, msg, args, kws)
  File "/var/mailman/nlbdsmorg/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 58, in write_ex
    logf.write(msg + '\n')
  File "/var/mailman/nlbdsmorg/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write
    Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg))
  File "/var/mailman/nlbdsmorg/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write
    f.write(msg)
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 116: ordinal not in range(128)



Python information:

Variable        Value   
sys.version     2.3.3 (#1, Jan 23 2004, 17:15:25) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release)]       
sys.executable  /usr/bin/python         
sys.prefix      /usr    
sys.exec_prefix /usr    
sys.path        /usr    
sys.platform    linux2  

Environment variables:

Variable        Value   
HTTP_REFERER    http://nl-bdsm.org/mailman/admindb/bvj-operators        
SERVER_SOFTWARE         Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.2 mod_ssl/2.8.14 OpenSSL/0.9.7b    
SCRIPT_NAME     /mailman/admindb        
SERVER_SIGNATURE        
Apache/1.3.27 Server at nl-bdsm.org Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD  POST    
PATH_INFO       /bvj-operators  
SERVER_PROTOCOL         HTTP/1.0        
QUERY_STRING            
CONTENT_LENGTH  710     
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET     windows-1252, utf-8, utf-16, iso-8859-1;q=0.6, *;q=0.1  
HTTP_USER_AGENT         Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) Opera 7.23 [en]      
HTTP_COOKIE     site=280200000069b5eb3940732800000035363566363636636436313334303465353531303437646264386635313664336437623635383639     
SERVER_NAME     nl-bdsm.org     
REMOTE_ADDR     194.151.121.242         
HTTP_VIA        1.0 proxy.acdis.nl:8080 (Squid/2.4.STABLE6)     
PATH_TRANSLATED         /var/www/prod/nl-bdsm.org/bvj-operators         
SERVER_PORT     80      
SERVER_ADDR     212.238.194.176         
DOCUMENT_ROOT   /var/www/prod/nl-bdsm.org       
PYTHONPATH      /var/mailman/nlbdsmorg  
SCRIPT_FILENAME         /var/mailman/nlbdsmorg/cgi-bin/admindb  
SERVER_ADMIN    webmaster at nl-bdsm.org   
HTTP_HOST       nl-bdsm.org     
HTTP_COOKIE2    $Version=1      
HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL      max-age=259200  
REQUEST_URI     /mailman/admindb/bvj-operators  
HTTP_ACCEPT     text/html, application/xml;q=0.9, application/xhtml+xml;q=0.9, image/png, image/jpeg, image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, */*;q=0.1     
GATEWAY_INTERFACE       CGI/1.1         
HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR    10.15.3.13      
REMOTE_PORT     3968    
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE    en;q=1.0,nl;q=0.9       
CONTENT_TYPE    application/x-www-form-urlencoded       
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING    deflate, gzip, x-gzip, identity, *;q=0

-- 
Greetings,
Maurice




From artd at nasioncom.net  Mon Feb 23 12:55:34 2004
From: artd at nasioncom.net (artd)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:55:34 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Loops created by Auto-Responders
Message-ID: <6FC88CA77F3A7F42BAB6B12BCBFEAE8E23BC6F@KLHQEXBE01.nasioncom.my>


Hi,

Still trying to figure out how to stop auto-replies from auto-responders from clogging up my mailing list. I've set the system so that non-members cannot post to the list but somehow auto-responder mails seem to get through. Help!
Aru


-----Original Message-----
From:	Rod Neep [mailto:rkpn at british-genealogy.com]
Sent:	Mon 2/23/2004 1:49 PM
To:	mailman-users at python.org
Cc:	
Subject:	[Mailman-Users] Personalised Mailing lists (PML)


On a different mail system that I use (as a subscriber), it is possible 
to set up a PML (Personalised Mailing List).

It works like this:

An approved user can specify certain keywords. Then, when one of those 
keywords appears in a mail on *any* list on the system, a copy of that 
message is automatically posted to the user (even if they are not a 
subscriber to the list on which the message appears).

Its kind of neat... especially for use on something such as my lists, 
which are genealogy related. A keyword can be for example, a surname.

Is there any way that such a PML system can be evoked with Mailman?

Thanks
Rod
-- 
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Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org
British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com

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From aktruong at uni-select.com  Mon Feb 23 16:20:54 2004
From: aktruong at uni-select.com (Khoi Truong)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:20:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman support platform
Message-ID: <NIBBJPBDGDBLEDAFIBDACECMCAAA.aktruong@uni-select.com>

Hi,

I'm Khoi Truong, MIS coop-student at Uni-Select inc.

We would to like to have information concerning your sofware Mailman
compatibility with IBM AIX 5.2.

Our Project:
We are currently planning to migrate AIX 4.3.3 ML.11 to AIX 5.2 based on
RS/6000 machine. We are planning a migration path for all our softwares.

*** Question ***

So, we were wandering if  Mailman currently install on AIX 4.3.3 will work
as well on AIX 5.2 ?
If not, what can we do to arrange this matter ?
If we have to update our version, do you have some documentation about the
installation so we can analyse the ressource required by this upgrade ?

Our Company:
Uni-Select is an aftermarket automobile parts distributor and has become the
leading network of independently owned auto parts dealers in Canada and is
progressing in the United States with more than 1200 members.
Feel free to visit our web-site at www.uni-select.com

Thanks in advance,

Sincerely yours,

Khoi

Khoi Truong
MIS coop-student
Nobel:      (450) 449-7300 poste 5907
aktruong at uni-select.com
Uni-Select inc.



From jens at wilke.org  Mon Feb 23 03:37:43 2004
From: jens at wilke.org (Jens Wilke)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 03:37:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure to find group name nobody
Message-ID: <200402230337.43921.jens@wilke.org>

Hi,

i'm running postfix-2.0.18 on freebsd
i try to install mailman-2.1.3

i didn't find any solution for the following error, trying to configure with 
several gids, not to mention, that /etc/groups contains nobody.
Postfix itself runs nicely.
Any ideas are very welcome. :(

Rgds, Jens

Feb 23 02:25:01 longtime postfix/pickup[44244]: 6BA0D9F110: uid=1003 
from=<mailman>
Feb 23 02:25:01 longtime postfix/cleanup[44568]: 6BA0D9F110: 
message-id=<20040223022501.6BA0D9F110 at mail.longtime.so36.net>
Feb 23 02:25:01 longtime postfix/qmgr[44245]: 6BA0D9F110: 
from=<mailman at longtime.so36.net>, size=1043, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 23 02:25:01 longtime Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to find group name 
nobody.  Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing 
an existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid.
Feb 23 02:25:01 longtime postfix/local[44570]: 6BA0D9F110: 
to=<mailman at longtime.so36.net>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command 
died with status 8: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman". Command 
output: Failure to find group name nobody.  Try adding this group to your 
system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the 
command line option --with-mail-gid. )




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Mon Feb 23 18:28:20 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:28:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with newlist.txt file
Message-ID: <005401c3fa32$6e8f74f0$0b7a799f@chris>

I wanted to make some changes to the newlist.txt file. When I added
%(emailaddr)s as below, the literal text rather than the list address shows
up in the message. I was able to tinker with this in subscribeack.html and
make it work. It seems so simple. Am I missing something.

*************************************************
Welcome to the %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s mailing list!
%(welcome)s

Some lists are for announcements only from approved senders.
If you are approved to post to this list, send your email to:

  %(emailaddr)s





From mdunston at music.vt.edu  Mon Feb 23 18:52:37 2004
From: mdunston at music.vt.edu (michael dunston)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:52:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG integration not working after 2.1.2 -> 2.1.4
	upgrade
Message-ID: <r02010100-1032-1187E53E662911D8944F000A95A0C78A@[10.0.1.32]>

I recently upgraded Mailman from 2.1.2 -> 2.1.4 and the HTDIG
integration (which was working prior to the upgrade) is no longer
functional.  The indexing, forms and htsearch are still working
properly, but htsearch is unable to find the per-list config files even
though they are in the same place with the same permissions as prior to
the upgrade.

'ls -al /usr/local/mailman/archives/htdig' yields: 

drwxrwsr-x  17 mailman  mailman  578 Feb 20 02:03 .
drwxrwsr-x   5 mailman  mailman  170 Mar  8  2003 ..
lrwxrwsr-x   1 mailman  mailman   56 Feb 20 02:03 testlist.conf ->    
  /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/testlist/htdig/testlist.conf

yet defining 'HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR' as any of the following:

HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'archives', 'htdig')
HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = os.path.join('/usr/local/mailman', 'archives', 
  'htdig')
HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = '/usr/local/mailman/archives/htdig'
HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = '/usr/local/mailman/archives/htdig/'

still results in the htsearch 'Unable to read configuration file' error. 

My attempts to modify /Mailman/Cgi/mmsearch.py to print out this varible
to make sure it was being defined have also not been very successful.  

    os.environ['CONFIG_DIR'] = mm_cfg.HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR

what python syntax could I use to echo these out to the browser?

Thanks in advance for your time and any suggestions on what I might try
next.


-- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
-- Michael Dunston
-- Music and Technology
-- <http://www.music.vt.edu>
-- Virginia Tech School of the Arts



From beittenc at rose-hulman.edu  Mon Feb 23 19:57:58 2004
From: beittenc at rose-hulman.edu (Nathan Beittenmiller)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:57:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Use a File for accept_these_nonmembers?
In-Reply-To: <200402230337.43921.jens@wilke.org>
Message-ID: <200402231858.i1NIvwe16065@envelope.rose-hulman.edu>

Has anyone devised a way to use a text file on disk to control list access
similar to Majordomo's restrict_post function?  I'm in the process of
migrating our listserv over to Mailman and that's the one feature I haven't
been able to properly duplicate.  I know I could manually dump and reload
the accept_these_nonmembers option nightly for the appropriate lists, but
I'd prefer a cleaner solution if one's available.  Thanks in advance for any
help you can provide!

Nathan Beittenmiller




From bastiaan-postfix-users at welmers.net  Mon Feb 23 20:51:00 2004
From: bastiaan-postfix-users at welmers.net (Bastiaan Welmers)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:51:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] japanese module disapeared, where?
Message-ID: <20040223194205.M37420@welmers.net>

Hi, 
 
Today my entire mailman stopped working (wrapper, webcgi's, queue runner, 
everything) due to one the same error "No module named japanese". 
How this module disappeared is a miracle, (can't have been hacked, there was no 
internet connection), and my question is: where belongs this module to replace it? On 
another box i where japanese is still there, I couldn't find any "japanese*" file in 
/usr/lib/python or /opt/mailman 
 
Thanks, 
 
Bastiaan Welmers 
 



From andrew at ponowaiwai.com  Mon Feb 23 20:45:29 2004
From: andrew at ponowaiwai.com (Andrew McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:45:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No address associated with nodename?
Message-ID: <D5C80CF0-6638-11D8-BEF9-000A95A7CD2A@ponowaiwai.com>

Here's a toughy. Anyone else see this?

I have Mailman installed on Panther with Postfix. Before this weekend, 
it all worked great. I got a new hard drive and reinstalled everything 
anew. I thought I had all my setting right, but maybe I missed 
something? Here's a dump from my log:

> Feb 23 11:40:03 2004 (2348) Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address 
> associated with nodename'), msgid: 
> <mailman.5.1077532449.440.humor at ponowaiwai.com>
> Feb 23 11:40:03 2004 (2348) delivery to humor-owner at ponowaiwai.com 
> failed with code -1: (7, 'No address associated with nodename')
> Feb 23 11:40:03 2004 (2348) Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address 
> associated with nodename'), msgid: 
> <DD508381-6624-11D8-BEF9-000A95A7CD2A at ponowaiwai.com>
> Feb 23 11:40:04 2004 (2348) Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address 
> associated with nodename'), msgid: 
> <DD508381-6624-11D8-BEF9-000A95A7CD2A at ponowaiwai.com>
> Feb 23 11:40:04 2004 (2348) Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address 
> associated with nodename'), msgid: 
> <DD508381-6624-11D8-BEF9-000A95A7CD2A at ponowaiwai.com>
> Feb 23 11:40:04 2004 (2348) Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address 
> associated with nodename'), msgid: 
> <DD508381-6624-11D8-BEF9-000A95A7CD2A at ponowaiwai.com>
> Feb 23 11:40:04 2004 (2348) delivery to bullaear at aol.com failed with 
> code -1: (7, 'No address associated with nodename')
> Feb 23 11:40:04 2004 (2348) delivery to myenick at aol.com failed with 
> code -1: (7, 'No address associated with nodename')
> Feb 23 11:40:04 2004 (2348) delivery to liliegarden at aol.com failed 
> with code -1: (7, 'No address associated with nodename')
> Feb 23 11:40:04 2004 (2348) delivery to mrolim at aol.com failed with 
> code -1: (7, 'No address associated with nodename'

Can anyone point me?

Thanks,
Andrew




From prandini at ideafutura.com  Tue Feb 24 09:57:59 2004
From: prandini at ideafutura.com (Marco Prandini)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:57:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approving by e-mail moderated
	messages	and	subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <6waXBUfC5YOAFAeP@neep.demon.co.uk>
References: <40362CEC.7020606@ideafutura.com>
	<6waXBUfC5YOAFAeP@neep.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <403B1217.3080107@ideafutura.com>


Thanks for the kind reply... I fear my question wasn't clear...
my problem is not with the confirm message the *subscriber* receives, 
but with the one the *list admin* receives.

The list admin cannot approve a pending subscription by e-mail, because 
all he receives is a link to
http://server.name/mailman/admindb.cgi/list-name

In a similar fashion, when a post is sent to a moderated list, the 
moderator receives a message containing a link to admindb.cgi in 
evidence, and a confirm code which can be used to approve the posting by 
e-mail, but it's so deeply hidden that trying to explain the procedure 
to a novice moderator is a hopeless task :-)


Bye,
 Marco

Rod Neep ha scritto:

> In message <40362CEC.7020606 at ideafutura.com>, Marco Prandini 
> <prandini at ideafutura.com> writes
>
>>
>> Hello list,
>> I just started configuring some lists under Mailman and I'm not able 
>> to find a
>> couple of configuration options I need. I browsed the docs with no luck.
>>
>> I'd like to administer the lists entirely by e-mail, and in 
>> particular I need
>> to be able to confirm posts to a moderate list and to approve 
>> (un)subscription
>> requests.
>>
>> However, when I try a subscription the owner receives a message 
>> telling him to
>> go to the admin URL in order to approve it... no hints about how to 
>> do it by
>> e-mail whatsoever...
>>
>> Could you help me?
>
>
> Actually, it also tells the new user that s/he can simply reply to the 
> message "leaving the header intact" and it will be confirmed.
>
> The "problem" is that may novice users will post a message back with a 
> new subject line with the wording "Header Intact".
>
> I just tell folks.... "when you receive the message asking for 
> confirmation, just reply to it.... don't delete anything, don't change 
> anything! Just post it straight back as a reply"
>
> and that works.
>
> Cheers
> Rod
>




From nick.vdkloor at for-nation.com  Tue Feb 24 10:32:10 2004
From: nick.vdkloor at for-nation.com (nick.vdkloor at for-nation.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:32:10 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages to hotmail are dropped
Message-ID: <61977.145.221.92.40.1077615130.squirrel@www.for-nation.com>

Dear Mailman users,

our company is using Mailman 2.1.4. Our database has got a total of 2000
members. About 60% of them are hotmailaddresses. After sending our last
mail I noticed that almost none of the hotmailusers received a mailing. I
noticed that because I created a couple of hotmail test account. When I
tried to send a mailing with our testmailinglist which consist of only 2
hotmailaddresses (the same that are in our main mailinglist) they do
receive the mailing.

I assume that the Hotmail spooler discards mails when they are sent in
large groups, I don't know the exact numbers. Is there a way to bypass it?
Cause our  mailings are not spam, every member did subscribe to our list.
Is there maybe a setting to configure which can set a delay between
sending a couple of mails?

I hope you guys can help me out on this one.


Thanx in advance,

Nick van der Kloor
FOR-Mail
Foundation of Recreation





From javier.romero at cedex.es  Tue Feb 24 12:35:55 2004
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:35:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing DFILE = os.path.join(QUEUE_DIR,
	'master-qrunner.pid')
Message-ID: <403B371B.8020608@cedex.es>

OK! i did it!
this is my new files and folders :
bash-2.03# ls -la
total 60
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      512 Feb 24 11:22 .
drwxr-xr-x  11 root     other        512 Feb 19 13:49 ..
drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman     1536 Feb 24 12:04 Mailman
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman       26 Jul  3  2003 archives -> 
/dirarcon/mailman/archives
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     1024 Feb 20 09:24 bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 cgi-bin
-rw-r-----   1 root     mailman     4133 Oct 22 10:42 config.pck
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:25 cron
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman       22 Feb 24 11:22 data -> 
/dirarcon/mailman/data
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 icons
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman       23 Jul  3  2003 lists -> 
/dirarcon/mailman/lists
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Feb 24 12:30 locks
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  1 08:26 logs
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 mail
-rw-r-----   1 root     mailman        5 Feb 24 11:12 master-qrunner.pid
drwxrwsr-x  24 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 11:27 messages
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     2560 Feb 23 15:37 olddata
drwxrwsr-x   6 root     mailman      512 Jul  1  2003 pythonlib
drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman      512 Feb 24 12:05 qfiles
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:42 scripts
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1  2003 spam
drwxrwsr-x  26 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 11:27 templates
drwxrwsr-x   4 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 tests

and this is my changed mm_cfg.py

from Defaults import *

##################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line

DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'es'
MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'comunicaciones'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'cdxweb.cedex.es'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'cdxweb.cedex.es'
PIDFILE = os.path.join(QUEUE_DIR, 'master-qrunner.pid')

"mm_cfg.py" 51 lines, 1858 characters

so master-qrunner.pid is saved now into /qfiles... maimanctl started 
fine, but i have same problem!!!  moderated members of list send a 
message to the list and nothing happen!!  no "waiting for approval" 
message to moderated-member or to me (moderator) :'(

i hope you tell me more solutions, please... thanks for your help!! 

-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX



From nick.vdkloor at for-nation.com  Tue Feb 24 10:27:15 2004
From: nick.vdkloor at for-nation.com (nick.vdkloor at for-nation.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:27:15 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages to hotmail are dropped
Message-ID: <41259.145.221.92.40.1077614835.squirrel@www.for-nation.com>

Dear Mailman users,

our company is using Mailman 2.1.4. Our database has got a total of 2000
members. About 60% of them are hotmailaddresses. After sending our last
mail I noticed that almost none of the hotmailusers received a mailing. I
noticed that because I created a couple of hotmail test account. When I
tried to send a mailing with our testmailinglist which consist of only 2
hotmailaddresses (the same that are in our main mailinglist) they do
receive the mailing.

I assume that the Hotmail spooler discards mails when they are sent in
large groups, I don't know the exact numbers. Is there a way to bypass it?
Cause our  mailings are not spam, every member did subscribe to our list.
Is there maybe a setting to configure which can set a delay between
sending a couple of mails?

I hope you guys can help me out on this one.


Thanx in advance,

Nick van der Kloor
FOR-Mail
Foundation of Recreation





From yves at zioup.com  Tue Feb 24 16:34:57 2004
From: yves at zioup.com (Yves Dorfsman)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:34:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages to hotmail are dropped
In-Reply-To: <41259.145.221.92.40.1077614835.squirrel@www.for-nation.com>
References: <41259.145.221.92.40.1077614835.squirrel@www.for-nation.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0402240833260.29575@ginette>


On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 nick.vdkloor at for-nation.com wrote:

> our company is using Mailman 2.1.4. Our database has got a total of 2000
> members. About 60% of them are hotmailaddresses. After sending our last
> mail I noticed that almost none of the hotmailusers received a mailing. I

.../...

> I assume that the Hotmail spooler discards mails when they are sent in
> large groups, I don't know the exact numbers. Is there a way to bypass it?

Have you tried to set chunk size to 60 as somebody suggested last week:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-February/034897.html


Yves.
----
                                         http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~dorfsmay
                                         http://www.SollerS.ca




From vizisz at freemail.hu  Tue Feb 24 18:21:29 2004
From: vizisz at freemail.hu (Szilard Vizi)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:21:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content filtering
Message-ID: <20040224172129.GA26413@freemail.hu>

Hello,

I want to use the Mailman's content filtering option to remove
pictures from any message and put a link in the message where
the pictures are.

I couldn't find the right solution so far, and I don't want to
play with a real list, so can anyone tell me what options do
I need to change.

Secondly anyone has an idea how to make a similiar feature that
Sympa has and called "Shared web". Basically this is folder inside
the archive of the list, to where the users can upload and from
download files.
In Mailman I don't think that creating a folder with the right 
permission in the archive/private/<listname>/ would be enough.

How can I make such a "Shared web" with mailman?

Thanx,
Szilard Vizi



From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Tue Feb 24 19:00:55 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:00:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content filtering
In-Reply-To: <20040224172129.GA26413@freemail.hu>
References: <20040224172129.GA26413@freemail.hu>
Message-ID: <20040224180054.GB2934@charite.de>

* Szilard Vizi <vizisz at freemail.hu>:
> Hello,
> 
> I want to use the Mailman's content filtering option to remove
> pictures from any message and put a link in the message where
> the pictures are.

Yes, this would totally rock.

> Secondly anyone has an idea how to make a similiar feature that
> Sympa has and called "Shared web". Basically this is folder inside
> the archive of the list, to where the users can upload and from
> download files.

Yep.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a)   Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de
Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin            Tel.  +49 (0)30-450 570-155
Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin    Fax.  +49 (0)30-450 570-916
IT-Zentrum Standort Campus Mitte                          AIM.  ralfpostfix



From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Feb 25 00:04:05 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:04:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-discard message
Message-ID: <001d01c3fb2a$808fece0$0b7a799f@chris>

Recently, I have had a couple of list owners who have sent messages to their
respective lists and received back the message
'The attached message has been automatically discarded'

In one case, the discard message and attachment is delivered to the list
members, but they still receive the intended message.

In another case, even a plain-text message with no attachments generates the
auto-discard message.

My first theories were that it was being discarded because of an all-caps
subject line, then because of an html message, but neither has proven to
work. Because of the inconsistency and the fact that one is getting through
on one list to subscribers and the other isn't, it is hard to troubleshoot.

Any ideas?





From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Wed Feb 25 05:33:10 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:33:10 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content filtering
In-Reply-To: <20040224180054.GB2934@charite.de>
References: <20040224172129.GA26413@freemail.hu>
	<20040224180054.GB2934@charite.de>
Message-ID: <403C2586.3040104@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:

> * Szilard Vizi <vizisz at freemail.hu>:
> 
>>Hello,
>>
>>I want to use the Mailman's content filtering option to remove
>>pictures from any message and put a link in the message where
>>the pictures are.
> 
> 
> Yes, this would totally rock.

Basically, you can insert Scrubber in GLOBAL_PIPELINE.
Just after MimeDel may be suitable.

I am working on per-list configurable Scrubber. Wait until
my other paid works finish.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From rlcain1 at earthlink.net  Wed Feb 25 08:03:54 2004
From: rlcain1 at earthlink.net (Ricky Cain)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:03:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] transferring a list
Message-ID: <002101c3fb6d$8fe2fa50$230c460a@RICKY>

Can and how would I go about transferring an active list from one host
server to another? Can anybody point me in a general direction for a how
to?

Thanks,

Ricky Cain
http://www.aquatic-plants.org






From bdienes at capflex.com  Wed Feb 25 08:45:12 2004
From: bdienes at capflex.com (Bruce Dienes)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:45:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Moving a 1.x list to an existing 2.1.4. Mailman
	install?
In-Reply-To: <E1AvfwH-0000qp-8J@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AvfwH-0000qp-8J@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040225033955.04cf2518@localhost>

Hello there,

I think I have figured out how to move a Mailman installation to a new server, and also how to upgrade an installation from 1.x to 2.x, but...

I am a bit flummoxed as to how to move some lists that are now running on a 1.x version of Mailman to an already existing Mailman installation that is running lists on v.2.1.4.

Can someone point me to some docs for this, or do you have an easy way to make the transition?

Thanks!

Bruce




From javier.romero at cedex.es  Wed Feb 25 10:31:03 2004
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:31:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WORKING!!!! changing PIDFILE =
	os.path.join(QUEUE_DIR, 'master-qru nner.pid')
Message-ID: <403C6B57.2000509@cedex.es>

I had to change perms of /DATA  when i shared this folder
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     other        629 Feb 24 11:14 pending.pck
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     other         41 Feb 24 11:14 adm.pw
and now moderated lists works fine!!!
Today is a beautifull day!!!  :-D

Thank you very much, Robby

(Thank you pilar)





OK! i did it!
this is my new files and folders :
bash-2.03# ls -la
total 60
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      512 Feb 24 11:22 .
drwxr-xr-x  11 root     other        512 Feb 19 13:49 ..
drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman     1536 Feb 24 12:04 Mailman
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman       26 Jul  3  2003 archives -> 
/dirarcon/mailman/archives
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     1024 Feb 20 09:24 bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 cgi-bin
-rw-r-----   1 root     mailman     4133 Oct 22 10:42 config.pck
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:25 cron
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman       22 Feb 24 11:22 data -> 
/dirarcon/mailman/data
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 icons
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman       23 Jul  3  2003 lists -> 
/dirarcon/mailman/lists
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Feb 24 12:30 locks
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  1 08:26 logs
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 mail
-rw-r-----   1 root     mailman        5 Feb 24 11:12 master-qrunner.pid
drwxrwsr-x  24 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 11:27 messages
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     2560 Feb 23 15:37 olddata
drwxrwsr-x   6 root     mailman      512 Jul  1  2003 pythonlib
drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman      512 Feb 24 12:05 qfiles
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:42 scripts
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1  2003 spam
drwxrwsr-x  26 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 11:27 templates
drwxrwsr-x   4 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 tests

and this is my changed mm_cfg.py

from Defaults import *

##################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line

DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'es'
MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'comunicaciones'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'cdxweb.cedex.es'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'cdxweb.cedex.es'
PIDFILE = os.path.join(QUEUE_DIR, 'master-qrunner.pid')

"mm_cfg.py" 51 lines, 1858 characters

so master-qrunner.pid is saved now into /qfiles... maimanctl started 
fine, but i have same problem!!!  moderated members of list send a 
message to the list and nothing happen!!  no "waiting for approval" 
message to moderated-member or to me (moderator) :'(

i hope you tell me more solutions, please... thanks for your help!! 

-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX



From patricklesslie at iinet.net.au  Wed Feb 25 14:58:32 2004
From: patricklesslie at iinet.net.au (Patrick Lesslie)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:58:32 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] transferring a list
In-Reply-To: <002101c3fb6d$8fe2fa50$230c460a@RICKY>
References: <002101c3fb6d$8fe2fa50$230c460a@RICKY>
Message-ID: <20040225135832.GB5316@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>

On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 01:03:54AM -0600, Ricky Cain wrote:
> Can and how would I go about transferring an active list from one host
> server to another? Can anybody point me in a general direction for a how
> to?

I'm sure this is well documented already, but it's usually fairly easy
to transfer lists to mailman.  This is roughly what I would do.

I'm sure this is full of mistakes.  Also, some of these commands are 
dangerous.

The most important thing about a list is it's members, so a
primitive way to move a list is to simply create a list, subscribe
the member list from a flat file and announce.

You can also duplicate configuration, mess with DNS records, and
transfer archives.

To get the members from the old list:
 list_members -p -o listname_members listname

To get the config from the old list:
 config_list -o listname_config listname

Get stuff to the other host:
 scp listname_config some_other_host:somedir
 scp listname_members some_other_host:somedir

To create the list:
 newlist listname

To configure the list:
 config_list -i listname_config listname 

Make sure the aliases are right.  You may have to paste them across.
It's easy to forget the aliases.

If you've made changes to apache, you might wish to make them work
on the new host too.

You may also require a DNS change.

Meanwhile you can subscribe the members:
 sync_members -some-args -f listname_members listname

See the help for sync_members and decide if you want to send welcome
messages etc.  Welcome messages announce the new list, and then you
can announce the close of the old one, on the old one (and the new).
sync_members will not hesitate to remove members not on the list,
so run it with --no-change first as a habit.

To improve this you could also coordinate an rsync -auv 
(or tar and scp) of the list archives: 
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/
/var/lib/mailman/archives/public/listname.mbox (if this link exists)

If so, regenerate all the html archives on the new host from the mbox:
 mmarch listname [ mbox ]
You can use any mbox, or it will look in that directory.

You can also move lists by just copying all the relevant directories,
but that is version dependent.

You might have to think about the order of events and timing, or even
take other measures if you have a really busy list.

Also, at the very least have a backup of /var/lib/mailman ...

Patrick Lesslie



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Feb 25 14:48:00 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:48:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] transferring a list
In-Reply-To: <002101c3fb6d$8fe2fa50$230c460a@RICKY>
References: <002101c3fb6d$8fe2fa50$230c460a@RICKY>
Message-ID: <p06002006bc6257ff43da@[10.0.1.2]>

At 1:03 AM -0600 2004/02/25, Ricky Cain wrote:

>  Can and how would I go about transferring an active list from one host
>  server to another? Can anybody point me in a general direction for a how
>  to?

	See the archives, and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.004.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Feb 25 15:02:44 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:02:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Moving a 1.x list to an existing
	2.1.4. Mailman 	install?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040225033955.04cf2518@localhost>
References: <E1AvfwH-0000qp-8J@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.1.1.0.20040225033955.04cf2518@localhost>
Message-ID: <p06002007bc6258254cdd@[10.0.1.2]>

At 3:45 AM -0400 2004/02/25, Bruce Dienes wrote:

>  I am a bit flummoxed as to how to move some lists that are now running
>  on a 1.x version of Mailman to an already existing Mailman installation
>  that is running lists on v.2.1.4.
>
>  Can someone point me to some docs for this, or do you have an easy way
>  to make the transition?

	See 
<http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers at python.org/msg07346.html> 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.004.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From pug at pug.net  Wed Feb 25 15:50:35 2004
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:50:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL users not getting daily nomail notifications...
Message-ID: <20040225085035.A11289@stardock.pug.net>

Good Morning,

  This one apparently has many of us confused and I haven't seen a real
  solution in the archives.

- My AOL list owners get removed from their own lists.
- My AOL list members who go to nomail get removed from the list and
  never get the daily notifications.
- In both cases above, the AOL user gets the notification they were
  removed, but not the other warnings.

  I know that I had about a 24 hour period that AOL had the site black
  listed, although they couldn't tell me why, and I called the 1-800
  number and gave them the contact info necessary to get white listed
  again.

  I've tried crafting some email messages by hand to AOL and have not
  figured out what the exact content of the message is that is tweaking
  their block filters. I'm gonna try sending email to the AOL postmaster
  team with additional information so they can help me diagnose this,
  but I don't expect quick response since I have yet to get a site
  report out of their "automated" system on their website about the
  status of my servers.

  I appreciate any guidance folks have.

Ciao,

-- 
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 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From pug at pug.net  Wed Feb 25 15:59:20 2004
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:59:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problem related to Hotmail
Message-ID: <20040225085920.B11289@stardock.pug.net>

>> As for a cut
>> off number, I have one list without personalization that currently
>> sends to 62 Hotmail addresses without a problem.  So setting your
>> chunk size to 60 should also take care of it.
> If this doesn't work, use a cutoff number that is half the size, and
> try again. Keeping cutting the chunk size in half until you find a
> solution that works.

As an FYI, I have a single list that has 1857 members with 263 of them
being hotmail users. I ended up with SMTP_MAX_RCPTS of 10 when 20 was
still too large. I didn't try the different increments between 10 and 20 
to see what the "ideal" was.

Ciao,

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System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
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From todd.wilson at opsysinc.com  Tue Feb 24 20:32:57 2004
From: todd.wilson at opsysinc.com (todd.wilson)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:32:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] request index of archive via the email interface
Message-ID: <003201c3fb0d$02e38e40$65a11fac@bluemesa>

I have tried Majordomo commands such as

index list-name

but I keep getting
"No commands were found in this message."

as a response back.

I know about sending the help command to get a list of mail commands but the
commands sent back are for managing your account via email.

Are these commands not supported by Mailman?

  Yes I know my users could use the WEB interface but I have users who
insist on only using command line interface and who dial in via 9600bps.








From Jackie.Butler at btas.com  Tue Feb 24 21:17:08 2004
From: Jackie.Butler at btas.com (Butler Jackie)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:17:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman help
Message-ID: <98A1D82366D92F48A40A71E5690EB1D94D6FB6@btas1.BTAS.local>

Need immediate assistance in setting up and administrating Mailman. 

Just pick up a server that had it but doesn't work. Please advise. 

 

Jackie D. Butler II 
BTAS, Inc. 
Senior Network Engineer/Facility Security Officer 
MCSE, MCSA A+ Certified 
Email: jackie.butler at btas.com <mailto:jackie.butler at btas.com>  
3572 Dayton-Xenia Road, Suite 210 
Beavercreek, OH 45432 
Voice: (937) 431-9431 
Fax: (937) 431-9413 
www.btas.com <http://www.btas.com/>  

 



From johnm at aiaa.org  Tue Feb 24 21:23:54 2004
From: johnm at aiaa.org (John McAndrew)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:23:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I'm interested
Message-ID: <BC611D0A.12687%johnm@aiaa.org>

I would like to set up an archived automated mailing list.

Do you host this service?

How much does it cost?

Please let me know.

Thanks. 
-- 
John McAndrew
AIAA
1801 Alexander Bell Drive
Suite 500
Reston, VA 20191
voice: 703/264-7545
fax: 703/264-7551
e-mail: johnm at aiaa.org
web site: http://www.aiaa.org

--




From j.l.williams at apu.ac.uk  Wed Feb 25 16:21:46 2004
From: j.l.williams at apu.ac.uk (Jason Williams)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:21:46 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nested
Message-ID: <004301c3fbb3$14b04540$422d52c2@workstation>

I have 4 lists, one of them only has members specified as the other lists.
If I post to that nested list I assumed that the people on any of those
lists would get the message. Instead I find that the message is held.
I have tried configuring he lists so that only list members can post to
them, and then made the nested list a list member.  This has not worked.

What do I have to do to be able to post to the nested list, and for that
message to auto get out to the other list who make up the membership of the
nested list?


Very much appreciated, sorry for the rookie question, Jason.




From david at gof.se  Wed Feb 25 16:32:34 2004
From: david at gof.se (David)
Date: 25 Feb 2004 16:32:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Content filtering
In-Reply-To: <E1Aw0ZB-0001Im-Ct@mail.python.org>
References: <E1Aw0ZB-0001Im-Ct@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1077723155.1759.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

 
> I want to use the Mailman's content filtering option to remove
> pictures from any message and put a link in the message where
> the pictures are.

Check out this script. I use it with Mailman and it works great
http://anders.hultman.nu/data/mail2url/

 Blue Skies,
 /David




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb 25 16:59:44 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Feb 2004 10:59:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] request index of archive via the email interface
In-Reply-To: <003201c3fb0d$02e38e40$65a11fac@bluemesa>
References: <003201c3fb0d$02e38e40$65a11fac@bluemesa>
Message-ID: <1077724784.3175.39.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 14:32, todd.wilson wrote:
> I have tried Majordomo commands such as
> 
> index list-name
> 
> but I keep getting
> "No commands were found in this message."
> 
> as a response back.
> 
> I know about sending the help command to get a list of mail commands but the
> commands sent back are for managing your account via email.
> 
> Are these commands not supported by Mailman?
> 
>   Yes I know my users could use the WEB interface but I have users who
> insist on only using command line interface and who dial in via 9600bps.
> 
> 
Those commands are not supported out of the box, still the code is Open
and easy to modify.  It wouldn't take very long to add more commands to
those already understood by the email parser. Or you could simply write
scripts that are kicked off by email commands... Or you could tell your
folks that its now the *21st* century and they are welcome to use web
browsers. 

Adapt and survive, or curse the ever-changing world and surrender. 
Darwin didn't make up the rules, he just wrote them down.

Jon Carnes




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Feb 25 16:50:20 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:50:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I'm interested
In-Reply-To: <BC611D0A.12687%johnm@aiaa.org>
References: <BC611D0A.12687%johnm@aiaa.org>
Message-ID: <p0600200bbc6274aafc01@[10.0.1.2]>

At 3:23 PM -0500 2004/02/24, John McAndrew wrote:

>  I would like to set up an archived automated mailing list.

	Congratulations!

>  Do you host this service?
>
>  How much does it cost?

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.017.htp>.

-- 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb 25 17:13:27 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Feb 2004 11:13:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL users not getting daily nomail
	notifications...
In-Reply-To: <20040225085035.A11289@stardock.pug.net>
References: <20040225085035.A11289@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <1077725607.3175.56.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 09:50, Pug Bainter wrote:
> Good Morning,
> 
>   This one apparently has many of us confused and I haven't seen a real
>   solution in the archives.
> 
> - My AOL list owners get removed from their own lists.
> - My AOL list members who go to nomail get removed from the list and
>   never get the daily notifications.
> - In both cases above, the AOL user gets the notification they were
>   removed, but not the other warnings.
> 
The notification are sent as one-shot emails directly to the email
address.  Since that is getting through, you might want to turn on
Personalization (also known as VERP).  See if that works in getting the
messages to all your mailing list users.

Personalization puts the email directly to the individual, it means that
your mail server does a lot more work, since it sends our individual
emails to each user.

>   I know that I had about a 24 hour period that AOL had the site black
>   listed, although they couldn't tell me why, and I called the 1-800
>   number and gave them the contact info necessary to get white listed
>   again.

Good Luck with that.  This has happened to a lot of folks, and they keep
getting black listed anyway (and these are folks that I *know* are not
spammers). They are getting marked based just on the volume of mail from
the site.
> 
>   I've tried crafting some email messages by hand to AOL and have not
>   figured out what the exact content of the message is that is tweaking
>   their block filters. I'm gonna try sending email to the AOL postmaster
>   team with additional information so they can help me diagnose this,
>   but I don't expect quick response since I have yet to get a site
>   report out of their "automated" system on their website about the
>   status of my servers.
> 
AOL will *not* talk about their rule set for blocking spammers + they
are constantly tinkering with it, so it's a moving target anyway.

Your best bet is simply to keep on complaining.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes





From pug at pug.net  Wed Feb 25 17:37:53 2004
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:37:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL users not getting daily nomail
	notifications...
In-Reply-To: <1077725607.3175.56.camel@localhost.localdomain>;
	from jonc@nc.rr.com on Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 11:13:27AM -0500
References: <20040225085035.A11289@stardock.pug.net>
	<1077725607.3175.56.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040225103753.A12434@stardock.pug.net>

Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> > - My AOL list owners get removed from their own lists.
> > - My AOL list members who go to nomail get removed from the list and
> >   never get the daily notifications.
> > - In both cases above, the AOL user gets the notification they were
> >   removed, but not the other warnings.
> The notification are sent as one-shot emails directly to the email
> address.  Since that is getting through, you might want to turn on
> Personalization (also known as VERP).  See if that works in getting the
> messages to all your mailing list users.

All three of the above issues are one-shot emails unless I misunderstand
something in Mailman.

- List owners get removed either for AOL's policy changes or due to the
  "regular" notifications out of Mailman such as sub/unsub notifications.
- Nomail notifications are one off messages mailed out at 9am every morning.
- Removal notification messages to a user are a one off.

This *looks* that VERP won't help me. It's only issues like the hotmail
policy that VERP would dramatically help with.

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From nick.vdkloor at for-nation.com  Wed Feb 25 18:18:33 2004
From: nick.vdkloor at for-nation.com (Nick vd Kloor @ FOR-Nation)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:18:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting memberlist
Message-ID: <000001c3fbc3$6872e2e0$0501a8c0@serotonica>

Hi all,
 
does anyone know if there's a possibility to export your memberlist in a
file or for example excelsheet?
Or is there a way to display all your members on one page?
 
 
Thanx in advance,
 
Nick
FOR-Nation.com


From jdell at unr.edu  Wed Feb 25 23:22:53 2004
From: jdell at unr.edu (John Dell)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:22:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm 2.1.4 - hit error on user validation for
	pipermail list archives
Message-ID: <403D203D.7030709@unr.edu>

Hi,

I updated to 2.1.4 last month and just noticed an error when I try to
view a private list archive when entering an invalid email address.

If I enter a valid email/password, it loads the archive index.html page
correctly. If I enter a valid email and a bad password I get the correct
authorization failed message.  The problem occurs when I enter an
invalid email address (for example, I entered 'jdell' or 'jdell at bad.dom'
rather than 'jdell at unr.edu').  Here is the error:

Thanks for any help!
John


    Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4


      We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!


        Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py", line 120, in main
    password, username):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 220, in 
WebAuthenticate
    ok = self.CheckCookie(ac, user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 300, in 
CheckCookie
    ok = self.__checkone(c, authcontext, user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 310, in 
__checkone
    key, secret = self.AuthContextInfo(authcontext, user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 105, in 
AuthContextInfo
    secret = self.getMemberPassword(user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 102, in 
getMemberPassword
    raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
NotAMemberError: jdell



------------------------------------------------------------------------


        Python information:

Variable 	Value
sys.version 	2.2.3 (#1, Aug 8 2003, 08:44:02) [GCC 3.2.3 20030502 (Red
Hat Linux 3.2.3-13)]
sys.executable 	/usr/bin/python
sys.prefix 	/usr
sys.exec_prefix 	/usr
sys.path 	/usr
sys.platform 	linux2

------------------------------------------------------------------------


        Environment variables:

Variable 	Value
PATH_INFO 	/casat_mgmt/
HTTP_ACCEPT
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 


CONTENT_TYPE 	application/x-www-form-urlencoded
HTTP_REFERER 	http://casat.unr.edu/mailman/private/casat_mgmt/
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) PHP/4.3.4
PYTHONPATH 	/usr/local/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/private
SERVER_ADMIN 	jdell at unr.edu
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/private
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	
Apache/1.3.29 Server at casat.unr.edu Port 80

REQUEST_METHOD 	POST
HTTP_HOST 	casat.unr.edu
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 	300
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING 	
REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/private/casat_mgmt/
CONTENT_LENGTH 	49
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 	ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6)
Gecko/20040116
HTTP_CONNECTION 	keep-alive
HTTP_COOKIE 	 [censored]
SERVER_NAME 	casat.unr.edu
REMOTE_ADDR 	134.197.75.140
REMOTE_PORT 	35899
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us,en;q=0.5
PATH_TRANSLATED 	/home/htdocs/casat/casat_mgmt/
SERVER_PORT 	80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip,deflate
SERVER_ADDR 	134.197.1.135
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/home/htdocs/casat






From pug at pug.net  Wed Feb 25 23:34:16 2004
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:34:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with check_perm and NetApp filers...
Message-ID: <20040225163416.A15703@stardock.pug.net>

Good Morning,

  Today I finally started upgrading from 2.1.2 to 2.1.4 on a corporate
  departmental server. When I did this I changed one minor thing and
  check_perm definitely didn't like it.

- Previous config
  /tool/mailman                                    -> NetApp filesystem
               /.package/mailman-2.x.x             -> Different versions
	      /archives
	      /data
	      /lists
	      /locks
	      /logs
	      /qfiles
	      /spam

  Each version would symlink the "VAR_DIRS" to the top level when we did
  the upgrade. We'd then run the appropriate "update" script to change
  anything needed in the confis.

- New config

  Only differs in that I set --with-var-prefix=/tool/mailman when built.

  So now when I run check_perm, it goes through *every* directory in
  /tool/mailman and tells me I need to update the permissions to 02775.
  This is definitely not right. This is particularly not right when it
  starts going through the .snapshot directory!!!

  Any suggestions on what the "right" thing to do is? Open a RFI to have
  check_perm only check known directory structures recursively? Is there
  something already in place?

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From moga at multimedia.homelinux.org  Thu Feb 26 00:56:04 2004
From: moga at multimedia.homelinux.org (Christian Eichert)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:56:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as
 group "mailman", or re-run configure,
 providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.
Message-ID: <403D3614.6030209@multimedia.homelinux.org>


I am using mailman debian woody

mailman version is: 2.0.11-1woody8
postfix version is: 1.1.11-0.woody3

I installed the postfix and the mailman from apt-get stable on a linux 
woody system.

after I created the lists I run genaliases

root:/usr/local/mailman/bin# ./genaliases
To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases 
(or equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly
running the `newaliases' program:

I was surprised that genaliases did not create /data/aliases

I did it
I updated my /etc/aliases

## mailman mailing list
mailman:            "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
mailman-admin:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
mailman-bounces:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
mailman-confirm:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
mailman-join:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
mailman-leave:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
mailman-owner:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
mailman-request:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
mailman-subscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"

and run newaliases

after i tryed to send a mail to the list I got this :

Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group
"mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as 
group "nogroup". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group
"mailman", or re-run configure, providing the command line option
`--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.

does someone know what to do about this ?


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From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Thu Feb 26 01:21:08 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:21:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting memberlist
References: <000001c3fbc3$6872e2e0$0501a8c0@serotonica>
Message-ID: <00e201c3fbfe$6e67b0a0$0b7a799f@chris>

I don't know if anyone replied to you, but below is the information that I
posted to the list awhile back. You need shell access to your server. You
can also go into the user interface and enter your email address and
password and get the whole list. Or, you can temporarily change the list so
that the subscriber list can only be viewed by the administrator. Then go
into the user interface, enter your list admin email address and password
and you will get a list of all subscribers. You probably can then figure out
a way to get it into a spreadsheet. Or, if you have shell access, you can
use the /lists/bin/list_members <listname> command and write the results to
file.

Here is the process to make your admin interface membership
management/membership list display more than the default number of
subscribers.

cd /lists/bin
  ./config_list -o list_name.txt list_name

  Edit junk.txt and add the following:
  # Increase viewable member list in Admin interface
  admin_member_chunksize = 100  (note: you can make this number whatever you
want, depending on the number of subscribers)

  ./config_list -i list_name.txt list_name
  rm list_name.txt



Christopher Adams
Library Systems Analyst
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us
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To: <mailman-developers at python.org>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 9:18 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting memberlist


> Hi all,
>
> does anyone know if there's a possibility to export your memberlist in a
> file or for example excelsheet?
> Or is there a way to display all your members on one page?
>
>
> Thanx in advance,
>
> Nick
> FOR-Nation.com
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 26 02:36:43 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Feb 2004 20:36:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Try tweaking the mail server to run the script
	as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
	providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.
In-Reply-To: <403D3614.6030209@multimedia.homelinux.org>
References: <403D3614.6030209@multimedia.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <1077759403.3175.67.camel@localhost.localdomain>

When Postfix runs it executes the cgi's in the aliases files using the
owner/group of the aliases file.  In postfix you can setup multiple
alias files, so setup one of them to be ~mailman/data/aliases and then
set that file to be group owned by "mailman".  Move your Mailman aliases
to that file.

Now when Postfix runs the alias it will pull it out of that file and use
the group "mailman" to run the cgi.  Problem solved.

Take care - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 18:56, Christian Eichert wrote:
> I am using mailman debian woody
> 
> mailman version is: 2.0.11-1woody8
> postfix version is: 1.1.11-0.woody3
> 
> I installed the postfix and the mailman from apt-get stable on a linux 
> woody system.
> 
> after I created the lists I run genaliases
> 
> root:/usr/local/mailman/bin# ./genaliases
> To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases 
> (or equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly
> running the `newaliases' program:
> 
> I was surprised that genaliases did not create /data/aliases
> 
> I did it
> I updated my /etc/aliases
> 
> ## mailman mailing list
> mailman:            "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
> mailman-admin:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
> mailman-bounces:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
> mailman-confirm:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
> mailman-join:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
> mailman-leave:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
> mailman-owner:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
> mailman-request:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
> mailman-subscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
> mailman-unsubscribe:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"
> 
> and run newaliases
> 
> after i tryed to send a mail to the list I got this :
> 
> Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group
> "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as 
> group "nogroup". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group
> "mailman", or re-run configure, providing the command line option
> `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.
> 
> does someone know what to do about this ?
> 




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Feb 26 02:47:55 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:47:55 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Try tweaking the mail server to run the script
	as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
	providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.
In-Reply-To: <403D3614.6030209@multimedia.homelinux.org>
References: <403D3614.6030209@multimedia.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <403D504B.4060702@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

> I am using mailman debian woody
> 
> mailman version is: 2.0.11-1woody8
Are you sure this version is right? current is 2.1.4

> postfix version is: 1.1.11-0.woody3
> 
> I installed the postfix and the mailman from apt-get stable on a linux 
> woody system.
> 
> after I created the lists I run genaliases
> 
> root:/usr/local/mailman/bin# ./genaliases
> To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases 
> (or equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly
> running the `newaliases' program:
> 
> I was surprised that genaliases did not create /data/aliases

Have you edit your mm_cfg.py to include
MTA = 'Postfix'
???

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From EPublisher at racp.edu.au  Thu Feb 26 05:17:11 2004
From: EPublisher at racp.edu.au (E Publisher)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:17:11 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] isolating subscribers with Name provided
Message-ID: <s03e0e0c.004@macqnw2.racp.edu.au>

Oh boy, one of our administrators made a big mistake and thought they were changing subscribers email addresses by entering the new address into the Name field (which sits underneath each subscriber's email address in the Membership List screen).

So now, we've got about 200 incorrect subscriptions that need to be found and fixed. There's no record of the ones that were changed this way so we can't easily find and fix them.

All other subscribers have empty Name fields, so I was wondering if their is a way to search the entire list to isolate only those subscribers with something in the Name field. Like a database query or something along those lines.

Any ideas?




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Feb 26 07:14:48 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:14:48 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content filtering
In-Reply-To: <403C2586.3040104@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <20040224172129.GA26413@freemail.hu>	<20040224180054.GB2934@charite.de>
	<403C2586.3040104@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <403D8ED8.7080704@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Falks,

I have just uploaded a new patch to use Scrubber.py in
GLOBAL_PIPELINE. Check this out.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=904850&group_id=103

Cheers,

Tokio Kikuchi wrote:

> Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> 
>> * Szilard Vizi <vizisz at freemail.hu>:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I want to use the Mailman's content filtering option to remove
>>> pictures from any message and put a link in the message where
>>> the pictures are.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, this would totally rock.
> 
> 
> Basically, you can insert Scrubber in GLOBAL_PIPELINE.
> Just after MimeDel may be suitable.
> 
> I am working on per-list configurable Scrubber. Wait until
> my other paid works finish.
> 

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From steve at silicongoblin.com  Thu Feb 26 07:19:19 2004
From: steve at silicongoblin.com (Steve Linberg)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:19:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] X-Mailman-Version header still "2.1.2" after 2.1.4
	upgrade?
Message-ID: <B5EB0646-6823-11D8-8A3C-0003939225FC@silicongoblin.com>

Hi everyone.

I just upgraded my 2.1.2 installation to 2.1.4 with the ./configure && 
make && make install method.  The web pages all say 2.1.4 in the 
footer, and the system seems to be functioning fine, but the 
X-Mailman-Version header in messages from the server still say 2.1.2.

Is this an error, or is it possible I did something wrong in the 
upgrade?  What should I be looking for?

Thanks for any tips,

Steve Linberg

-- 
Steve Linberg, Chief Goblin
Silicon Goblin Technologies
http://silicongoblin.com
Be kind.? Remember, everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Feb 26 07:25:59 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:25:59 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] X-Mailman-Version header still "2.1.2" after
	2.1.4	upgrade?
In-Reply-To: <B5EB0646-6823-11D8-8A3C-0003939225FC@silicongoblin.com>
References: <B5EB0646-6823-11D8-8A3C-0003939225FC@silicongoblin.com>
Message-ID: <403D9177.8090706@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>



Steve Linberg wrote:

> Hi everyone.
> 
> I just upgraded my 2.1.2 installation to 2.1.4 with the ./configure && 
> make && make install method.  The web pages all say 2.1.4 in the footer, 
> and the system seems to be functioning fine, but the X-Mailman-Version 
> header in messages from the server still say 2.1.2.

You should bin/mailmanctl restart for the updated qrunners.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From meyer at visionconnect.de  Thu Feb 26 15:13:19 2004
From: meyer at visionconnect.de (Hauke Meyer)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:13:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change confimation-message Subject?
Message-ID: <403DFEFF.3060508@visionconnect.de>

Hello folks,

I think its trivial or FAQ. But these confirmation-messages got a nasty Subject 
ala "confirm 492724b6c476abf9e8a49555dad65757395exxxx". I know some lists, where 
it is changed. BUT where to change it?

Just because some Contentfilters in this world don?t like the "original"...


Greets
Hauke



From T.Brabetz at ecit.qub.ac.uk  Thu Feb 26 15:36:34 2004
From: T.Brabetz at ecit.qub.ac.uk (Thorsten Brabetz)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:36:34 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman does not send E-mails
Message-ID: <E1AwMhw-0005Zm-00@xerxes.ee.qub.ac.uk>

	 
	 
Hello List, 

Ok, new to the list, and probably not a good start, since 
it turns out that I am too stupid to search the list 
archives. If I go to the page

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

and click on "searchable archives", I get a "time-out" 
error... 

So, I am probably asking a question that has been asked 
probably at least a hundred times in the past, and my 
apologies in advance, but I still need an answer somehow: 

I tried to install mailman, and for all I can tell 
successfully since I did not get any error messages at any 
stage, but it still does not work. Unfortunately, there are 
only very few hints as to what the problem might be. 

The best one is probably in mailman/logs/errors, where 
everytime I execute "./mailmanctl restart" it says: 

Feb 26 14:00:39 2004 (24372) Warning: unable to 
setgroups([101, 101])

Assuming it refers to the $prefix directory, I can't 
however see why: 

redwolf:/usr/local# ll | grep mailman
drwxrwsr-x   20 mailman     mailman      1024 Feb 25 14:44 
mailman

Running mailman/bin/check_perms shows no problems either: 

redwolf:/usr/local/mailman# bin/check_perms
No problems found

Other log entries that seem to refer to the problem are in 
mailman/logs/smtp-failure: 

Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) Low level smtp error: host not 
found, msgid: None
Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) delivery to mailman-owner (at) 
redwolf.org.uk failed with code -1: host not found
Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) Low level smtp error: host not 
found, msgid: <mailman.0.1077753904.16057.test7 (at) 
redwolf.org.uk>
Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) delivery to webmaster (at) 
brabetz.de failed with code -1: host not found
Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) Low level smtp error: host not 
found, msgid: <mailman.0.1077755635.15842.mailman (at) 
redwolf.org.uk>
Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) delivery to webmaster (at) 
brabetz.de failed with code -1: host not found

(there are literally thousands of these entries, they are 
referring to test messages that I have sent to test lists)

However, if I "su mailman", I can mail no problems to any 
E-mail account locally or remote, including those that the 
error messages refer to, e.g. webmaster (at) brabetz.de, 
and I have tried quite a few. MTA is exim (in the log entry 
above, I have replaced the @ with (at) to make it at least 
a tiny bit harder for spammers to harvest my E-mail 
address). 

Install is on a Debian system, but I did not use apt-get, 
but instead downloaded the source code and used 
"./configure ; make install". Mailman user is mailman, 
mailman group is mailman. mailman is a member of group 
mailman, and only the group mailman. 

I have been through all FAQs and README files I could find 
for two days now, without finding even as much as a hint to 
what the problem might be, and have reached that stage 
where I would really appreciate *any* hint as to where to 
start looking for it. 

Thank you in advance for any prospective advice!

Best wishes
	 
	 
Thorsten
	 
	 
	 



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 26 16:42:05 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 26 Feb 2004 10:42:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman does not send E-mails
In-Reply-To: <E1AwMhw-0005Zm-00@xerxes.ee.qub.ac.uk>
References: <E1AwMhw-0005Zm-00@xerxes.ee.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1077810125.3155.76.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 09:36, Thorsten Brabetz wrote:
> 	 	 
> Hello List, 
> 
> Ok, new to the list, and probably not a good start, since 
> it turns out that I am too stupid to search the list 
> archives. If I go to the page
> 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> and click on "searchable archives", I get a "time-out" 
> error... 
> 
> So, I am probably asking a question that has been asked 
> probably at least a hundred times in the past, and my 
> apologies in advance, but I still need an answer somehow: 
> 
> I tried to install mailman, and for all I can tell 
> successfully since I did not get any error messages at any 
> stage, but it still does not work. Unfortunately, there are 
> only very few hints as to what the problem might be. 
> 
> The best one is probably in mailman/logs/errors, where 
> everytime I execute "./mailmanctl restart" it says: 
> 
> Feb 26 14:00:39 2004 (24372) Warning: unable to 
> setgroups([101, 101])
> 
> Assuming it refers to the $prefix directory, I can't 
> however see why: 
> 
> redwolf:/usr/local# ll | grep mailman
> drwxrwsr-x   20 mailman     mailman      1024 Feb 25 14:44 
> mailman
> 
> Running mailman/bin/check_perms shows no problems either: 
> 
> redwolf:/usr/local/mailman# bin/check_perms
> No problems found
> 
> Other log entries that seem to refer to the problem are in 
> mailman/logs/smtp-failure: 
> 
> Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) Low level smtp error: host not 
> found, msgid: None
> Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) delivery to mailman-owner (at) 
> redwolf.org.uk failed with code -1: host not found
> Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) Low level smtp error: host not 
> found, msgid: <mailman.0.1077753904.16057.test7 (at) 
> redwolf.org.uk>
> Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) delivery to webmaster (at) 
> brabetz.de failed with code -1: host not found
> Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) Low level smtp error: host not 
> found, msgid: <mailman.0.1077755635.15842.mailman (at) 
> redwolf.org.uk>
> Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) delivery to webmaster (at) 
> brabetz.de failed with code -1: host not found
> 
> (there are literally thousands of these entries, they are 
> referring to test messages that I have sent to test lists)
> 
> However, if I "su mailman", I can mail no problems to any 
> E-mail account locally or remote, including those that the 
> error messages refer to, e.g. webmaster (at) brabetz.de, 
> and I have tried quite a few. MTA is exim (in the log entry 
> above, I have replaced the @ with (at) to make it at least 
> a tiny bit harder for spammers to harvest my E-mail 
> address). 
> 
> Install is on a Debian system, but I did not use apt-get, 
> but instead downloaded the source code and used 
> "./configure ; make install". Mailman user is mailman, 
> mailman group is mailman. mailman is a member of group 
> mailman, and only the group mailman. 
> 
> I have been through all FAQs and README files I could find 
> for two days now, without finding even as much as a hint to 
> what the problem might be, and have reached that stage 
> where I would really appreciate *any* hint as to where to 
> start looking for it. 
> 
> Thank you in advance for any prospective advice!
> 
> Best wishes
> 	 
> 	 
> Thorsten

Sounds like you've done a great job of troubleshooting so far, 
so I'm sure you've looked here (or soon will):
  Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
  Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

FAQ 3.14 covers a lot of ground in getting folks up and running, but it
sounds like you've got a few problems that may not be covered in there.

What in particular are your settings in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or
Defaults.py) for the "Delivery Defaults":
  DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
  MTA = 'Manual'
  SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
  SMTPPORT = 0               # default from smtplib
  SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail'


You might need to specify SMTPPORT = 25 or play with the SENDMAIL_CMD
setting.

Also, is the mailman group number 101 on your system?  If so, you may
have problems with using SetGID on this system.  

I'm not a regular Debian or Exim user so I can't give you any specifics,
but I would look at those two areas, based on the errors you are
getting.

Hope that is helpful - Jon Carnes




From T.Brabetz at ecit.qub.ac.uk  Thu Feb 26 17:28:49 2004
From: T.Brabetz at ecit.qub.ac.uk (Thorsten Brabetz)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:28:49 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman does not send E-mails
In-Reply-To: <1077810125.3155.76.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <E1AwMhw-0005Zm-00@xerxes.ee.qub.ac.uk>
	<1077810125.3155.76.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <E1AwOSZ-0005hj-00@xerxes.ee.qub.ac.uk>

	 
	 
Hello Jon, 

Thank you for your reply!

On Thursday 26 February 2004 15:42, you wrote:
> What in particular are your settings in
> ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or Defaults.py) for the
> "Delivery Defaults":
> ? DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
> ? MTA = 'Manual'
> ? SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
> ? SMTPPORT = 0 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # default from smtplib
> ? SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail'

I finally found it, and while the problem was not in the 
above section of Defaults.py, your mail made me read that 
file one more time top to bottom, and it finally dawned on 
me what the problem was: 

SMTPHOST was set to 'localhost', but localhost was not 
defined in /etc/hosts (don't ask me why, I did not setup 
this system, I am just responsible for it now; I have to 
admit that the idea that it might not be defined never even 
crossed my mind prior to your mail...); hence, the smtp 
error. Have now added

127.0.0.1 	localhost

entry to /etc/hosts, now Mailman seems to be working 
perfectly!

Thanks again!

Best wishes
	 
	 
Thorsten
	 
	 
	 



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 26 17:49:52 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 26 Feb 2004 11:49:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman does not send E-mails
In-Reply-To: <E1AwOSZ-0005hj-00@xerxes.ee.qub.ac.uk>
References: <E1AwMhw-0005Zm-00@xerxes.ee.qub.ac.uk>
	<1077810125.3155.76.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<E1AwOSZ-0005hj-00@xerxes.ee.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1077814192.4824.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 11:28, Thorsten Brabetz wrote:
> 	 	 
> Hello Jon, 
> 
> Thank you for your reply!
> 
> On Thursday 26 February 2004 15:42, you wrote:
> > What in particular are your settings in
> > ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or Defaults.py) for the
> > "Delivery Defaults":
> >   DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
> >   MTA = 'Manual'
> >   SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
> >   SMTPPORT = 0               # default from smtplib
> >   SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail'
> 
> I finally found it, and while the problem was not in the 
> above section of Defaults.py, your mail made me read that 
> file one more time top to bottom, and it finally dawned on 
> me what the problem was: 
> 
> SMTPHOST was set to 'localhost', but localhost was not 
> defined in /etc/hosts (don't ask me why, I did not setup 
> this system, I am just responsible for it now; I have to 
> admit that the idea that it might not be defined never even 
> crossed my mind prior to your mail...); hence, the smtp 
> error. Have now added
> 
> 127.0.0.1 	localhost
> 
> entry to /etc/hosts, now Mailman seems to be working 
> perfectly!
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> Best wishes
> 	 
> 	 
> Thorsten
> 	 
Glad to be of help.

I'll make sure that item is covered FAQ 3.14. 
Take care - Jon Carnes




From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Thu Feb 26 17:53:09 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:53:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Matter
Message-ID: <E1AwOl3-0006Is-MZ@ohio.stageserver.net>

If I send a message to "test-request at mydomain.com" with "subscribe" in 
the message body, nothing happens. No bounce, so subcribe, no nothing. 
If I send the same message with "subscribe" in the subject line, all 
is well. Is there a way to cause a bounce when a -request message is 
not in proper form?

Mike Phillips



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 26 18:43:19 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 26 Feb 2004 12:43:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Matter
In-Reply-To: <E1AwOl3-0006Is-MZ@ohio.stageserver.net>
References: <E1AwOl3-0006Is-MZ@ohio.stageserver.net>
Message-ID: <1077817398.4824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 11:53, Mike Phillips wrote:
> If I send a message to "test-request at mydomain.com" with "subscribe" in 
> the message body, nothing happens. No bounce, so subcribe, no nothing. 
> If I send the same message with "subscribe" in the subject line, all 
> is well. Is there a way to cause a bounce when a -request message is 
> not in proper form?
> 
> Mike Phillips
> 
The email parser only handles requests in plain Text messages - not html
or mime encoded messages.

The subject is always in text so it's your best bet.

Jon Carnes 




From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Thu Feb 26 20:14:35 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:14:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Matter
References: <E1AwOl3-0006Is-MZ@ohio.stageserver.net>
	<1077817398.4824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <00b301c3fc9c$c5b07740$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>

But why no bounce?

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: "Mike Phillips" <mmlist at mikephillips.com>
Cc: "mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Matter


> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 11:53, Mike Phillips wrote:
> > If I send a message to "test-request at mydomain.com" with "subscribe" in 
> > the message body, nothing happens. No bounce, so subcribe, no nothing. 
> > If I send the same message with "subscribe" in the subject line, all 
> > is well. Is there a way to cause a bounce when a -request message is 
> > not in proper form?
> > 
> > Mike Phillips
> > 
> The email parser only handles requests in plain Text messages - not html
> or mime encoded messages.
> 
> The subject is always in text so it's your best bet.
> 
> Jon Carnes 
> 
> 
> 



From kelly.jo.garner at oup.com  Wed Feb 25 16:32:51 2004
From: kelly.jo.garner at oup.com (Garner, Kelly Jo)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:32:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman help
Message-ID: <182E3AD680C21B43AE0AE442BE632B5F02ABBA75@cary.am.oup.biz>

http://www.list.org/docs.html

--
Kelly Jo Garner
web coordinator, OUP-USA
kelly.jo.garner at oup.com
http://www.oup.com/us

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Butler Jackie [mailto:Jackie.Butler at btas.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:17 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman help
> 
> 
> Need immediate assistance in setting up and administrating Mailman. 
> 
> Just pick up a server that had it but doesn't work. Please advise. 
> 
>  
> 
> Jackie D. Butler II 
> BTAS, Inc. 
> Senior Network Engineer/Facility Security Officer 
> MCSE, MCSA A+ Certified 
> Email: jackie.butler at btas.com <mailto:jackie.butler at btas.com>  
> 3572 Dayton-Xenia Road, Suite 210 
> Beavercreek, OH 45432 
> Voice: (937) 431-9431 
> Fax: (937) 431-9413 
> www.btas.com <http://www.btas.com/>  
> 
>  
> 
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: garnerk at oup-usa.org
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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Feb 25 21:59:33 2004
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:59:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Exporting memberlist 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Nick vd Kloor @ FOR-Nation"
	<nick.vdkloor@for-nation.com> of "Wed,
	25 Feb 2004 18:18:33 +0100."
	<000001c3fbc3$6872e2e0$0501a8c0@serotonica> 
References: <000001c3fbc3$6872e2e0$0501a8c0@serotonica> 
Message-ID: <10032.1077742773@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:18:33 +0100 
Nick vd Kloor <@ FOR-Nation" <nick.vdkloor at for-nation.com>> wrote:

> Hi all, does anyone know if there's a possibility to export your
> memberlist in a file or for example excelsheet?  

~/bin/list_members.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jdell_nv at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 23:00:22 2004
From: jdell_nv at yahoo.com (John Dell)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:00:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm 2.1.4 - hit error on user validation for
	pipermail list archives
Message-ID: <403D1AF6.9070309@yahoo.com>

Hi,

I updated to 2.1.4 last month and just noticed an error when I try to 
view a private list archive when entering an invalid email address.

If I enter a valid email/password, it loads the archive index.html page 
correctly. If I enter a valid email and a bad password I get the correct 
authorization failed message.  The problem occurs when I enter an 
invalid email address (for example, I entered 'jdell' or 'jdell at bad.dom' 
rather than 'jdell at unr.edu').  Here is the error:

Thanks for any help!
John


    Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4


      We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy 
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!


        Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py", line 120, in main
    password, username):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 220, in WebAuthenticate
    ok = self.CheckCookie(ac, user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 300, in CheckCookie
    ok = self.__checkone(c, authcontext, user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 310, in __checkone
    key, secret = self.AuthContextInfo(authcontext, user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 105, in AuthContextInfo
    secret = self.getMemberPassword(user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 102, in getMemberPassword
    raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
NotAMemberError: jdell



------------------------------------------------------------------------


        Python information:

Variable 	Value
sys.version 	2.2.3 (#1, Aug 8 2003, 08:44:02) [GCC 3.2.3 20030502 (Red 
Hat Linux 3.2.3-13)]
sys.executable 	/usr/bin/python
sys.prefix 	/usr
sys.exec_prefix 	/usr
sys.path 	/usr
sys.platform 	linux2

------------------------------------------------------------------------


        Environment variables:

Variable 	Value
PATH_INFO 	/casat_mgmt/
HTTP_ACCEPT 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 

CONTENT_TYPE 	application/x-www-form-urlencoded
HTTP_REFERER 	http://casat.unr.edu/mailman/private/casat_mgmt/
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) PHP/4.3.4
PYTHONPATH 	/usr/local/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/private
SERVER_ADMIN 	jdell at unr.edu
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/private
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	
Apache/1.3.29 Server at casat.unr.edu Port 80

REQUEST_METHOD 	POST
HTTP_HOST 	casat.unr.edu
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 	300
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING 	
REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/private/casat_mgmt/
CONTENT_LENGTH 	49
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 	ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) 
Gecko/20040116
HTTP_CONNECTION 	keep-alive
HTTP_COOKIE 	 [censored]
SERVER_NAME 	casat.unr.edu
REMOTE_ADDR 	134.197.75.140
REMOTE_PORT 	35899
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us,en;q=0.5
PATH_TRANSLATED 	/home/htdocs/casat/casat_mgmt/
SERVER_PORT 	80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip,deflate
SERVER_ADDR 	134.197.1.135
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/home/htdocs/casat





From dvp at hurricane.ee.iitm.ac.in  Thu Feb 26 06:37:36 2004
From: dvp at hurricane.ee.iitm.ac.in (dvp at hurricane.ee.iitm.ac.in)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:07:36 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] i am not getting any mails to my list
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402261059360.26441-100000@hurricane.ee.iitm.ac.in>

I have installed mailman-2.1.4.tgz in RedHat Linux 9.0 and using 
 postfix-1.1.12-1 .

My Problem is i am not getting mail which i sent to the list named 
systest.

but in /var/log/maillog , it shows status as sent .i don't know what 
happend to that mail.

I checked in mailman FAQ.still i couldn't solve this problem.

can any one give me a good source abt configuring mailman with postfix.

can any one  help me to solve this.

thank you,
dvp




From Jlgs21 at aol.com  Thu Feb 26 00:25:26 2004
From: Jlgs21 at aol.com (Jlgs21 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:25:26 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help??
Message-ID: <195.265b4796.2d6e88e6@aol.com>

Hi, first of all congrats on this great software


I need a little bit of help with the configuration....

What we are basically gonna use the mail list for is for mass emails (i have 
a site where i post upcomin music events happening in the area, and we send 
weekly emails with upcomin events to subscribed persons)
what setting should i use to do this??
I only want one email address to be able to send emails to everyone. 
thanks!!!

-Juan


From admin at upoint.info  Thu Feb 26 18:10:46 2004
From: admin at upoint.info (Lawrence Lam)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:10:46 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two quick questions.
Message-ID: <000c01c3fc8b$7cb7cd60$c71e063d@upoint>

My first post here. I tried to search the archives but it seems that the
website is retarded.

(1) How do I delete MailMan archives (using SSH)?

(2) What is this for under "Membership Management".
"Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not currently
visible"
- Yes/No



----- 
This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.





From gamaiel at geog.ucsb.edu  Thu Feb 26 21:21:49 2004
From: gamaiel at geog.ucsb.edu (Gamaiel Zavala)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:21:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list disappeared from Mailing Lists page
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040226121720.02f61920@mailhost.geog.ucsb.edu>

I just had a list disappear from the main Mailing Lists page 
(http://mydomain/mailman/listinfo). The list itself still exists and all 
subpages are still accessible. Is there a way to edit/rebuild this page? 
I'm using version 2.0.11.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 26 21:32:38 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 26 Feb 2004 15:32:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Matter
In-Reply-To: <00b301c3fc9c$c5b07740$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
References: <E1AwOl3-0006Is-MZ@ohio.stageserver.net>
	<1077817398.4824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<00b301c3fc9c$c5b07740$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
Message-ID: <1077827558.4824.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>

It was a valid address and it executed all the valid commands that it
found.  What sort of bounce are you looking for?  You want it to respond
to someone who sends in an invalid request?  Feel free to mod the code,
but as a standard, I like it working the way it does.

Jon

On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 14:14, Mike Phillips wrote:
> But why no bounce?
> 
> Mike
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> To: "Mike Phillips" <mmlist at mikephillips.com>
> Cc: "mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Matter
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 11:53, Mike Phillips wrote:
> > > If I send a message to "test-request at mydomain.com" with "subscribe" in 
> > > the message body, nothing happens. No bounce, so subcribe, no nothing. 
> > > If I send the same message with "subscribe" in the subject line, all 
> > > is well. Is there a way to cause a bounce when a -request message is 
> > > not in proper form?
> > > 
> > > Mike Phillips
> > > 
> > The email parser only handles requests in plain Text messages - not html
> > or mime encoded messages.
> > 
> > The subject is always in text so it's your best bet.
> > 
> > Jon Carnes 
> > 
> > 
> > 




From gamaiel at geog.ucsb.edu  Thu Feb 26 22:07:00 2004
From: gamaiel at geog.ucsb.edu (Gamaiel Zavala)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:07:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list disappeared from Mailing Lists page
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040226121720.02f61920@mailhost.geog.ucsb.edu>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040226130547.02f8c658@mailhost.geog.ucsb.edu>

Never mind, I just figured it out.

At 12:21 PM 2/26/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>I just had a list disappear from the main Mailing Lists page 
>(http://mydomain/mailman/listinfo). The list itself still exists and all 
>subpages are still accessible. Is there a way to edit/rebuild this page? 
>I'm using version 2.0.11.




From misha at wolfstar.ca  Thu Feb 26 22:09:20 2004
From: misha at wolfstar.ca (Michel R Vaillancourt)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:09:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The Mhonarc Integration Patch
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040226130547.02f8c658@mailhost.geog.ucsb.edu>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040226121720.02f61920@mailhost.geog.ucsb.edu>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040226130547.02f8c658@mailhost.geog.ucsb.edu>
Message-ID: <51907.66.199.178.30.1077829760.squirrel@www.wolfstar.ca>


Hi, folks.  I wanted to try the mhonarc integration patch, so I untar'd a clean
2.1.4 bundle and tried to patch.  I got:

=======================
empire:/usr/local/src/mailman-2.1.4# patch -p1 < ../archives/mhonarc-2.1.4-0.1.patch
patching file INSTALL.mhonarc-mm
patching file Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py
patching file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
patching file Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py
patching file Mailman/Defaults.py.in
Hunk #2 succeeded at 1261 (offset -2 lines).
patching file Mailman/Errors.py
patching file Mailman/Gui/Archive.py
patching file Mailman/Mailbox.py
patching file Mailman/Version.py

Hunk #1 FAILED at 37.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file Mailman/Version.py.rej

patching file bin/arch
patching file bin/newlist
patching file templates/Makefile.in
patching file templates/en/author.mrc
patching file templates/en/mhonarc.mrc
patching file templates/en/subject.mrc
=======================

   Has anyone seen that error before?  Any suggestions on troubleshooting?

   --Michel




From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Thu Feb 26 22:31:42 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:31:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Matter
References: <E1AwOl3-0006Is-MZ@ohio.stageserver.net>
	<1077817398.4824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<00b301c3fc9c$c5b07740$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
	<1077827558.4824.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <002501c3fcaf$ef6bed90$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>

My biggest frustration is that I do not have access to the code. It's on a
shared server.

My thought was, if someone sends an email to subscribe, and if the email is
not correctly formatted, they do not know they are not subscribed for a
while, waiting for the server to respond.

Thanks,
Mike


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: "Mike Phillips" <mmlist at mikephillips.com>
Cc: "mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Matter


> It was a valid address and it executed all the valid commands that it
> found.  What sort of bounce are you looking for?  You want it to respond
> to someone who sends in an invalid request?  Feel free to mod the code,
> but as a standard, I like it working the way it does.
>
> Jon
>
> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 14:14, Mike Phillips wrote:
> > But why no bounce?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> > To: "Mike Phillips" <mmlist at mikephillips.com>
> > Cc: "mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Matter
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 11:53, Mike Phillips wrote:
> > > > If I send a message to "test-request at mydomain.com" with "subscribe"
in
> > > > the message body, nothing happens. No bounce, so subcribe, no
nothing.
> > > > If I send the same message with "subscribe" in the subject line, all
> > > > is well. Is there a way to cause a bounce when a -request message is
> > > > not in proper form?
> > > >
> > > > Mike Phillips
> > > >
> > > The email parser only handles requests in plain Text messages - not
html
> > > or mime encoded messages.
> > >
> > > The subject is always in text so it's your best bet.
> > >
> > > Jon Carnes
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>




From josh at mmks.com  Thu Feb 26 22:55:28 2004
From: josh at mmks.com (Josh Davison)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:55:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Local Server URL Settings
Message-ID: <003201c3fcb3$3f9e9990$1b0a640a@Solarium>

I have a weird issue with my Mailman installation.  I have my mm_cfg.py
settings as follows:

DEFAULT_URL = 'http://host.domain.com/cgi-bin/mailman/'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'host.domain.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'host.domain.com'

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

but URLs on the admindb (and only on admindb) screens turn out to be

http://host/cgi-bin/mailman instead of
http://host.domain.com/cgi-bin/mailman in spite of the mm_cfg settings.

Can anybody clue me in to which configuration i need to tweak to fix this?

Thanks
Josh





From theall at tifaware.com  Thu Feb 26 23:02:53 2004
From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:02:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The Mhonarc Integration Patch
In-Reply-To: <51907.66.199.178.30.1077829760.squirrel@www.wolfstar.ca>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040226121720.02f61920@mailhost.geog.ucsb.edu>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040226130547.02f8c658@mailhost.geog.ucsb.edu>
	<51907.66.199.178.30.1077829760.squirrel@www.wolfstar.ca>
Message-ID: <20040226220253.GA8865@tifaware.com>

On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 04:09:20PM -0500, Michel R Vaillancourt wrote:

> Hi, folks.  I wanted to try the mhonarc integration patch, so I untar'd a clean
> 2.1.4 bundle and tried to patch.  I got:
> 
> =======================
> empire:/usr/local/src/mailman-2.1.4# patch -p1 < ../archives/mhonarc-2.1.4-0.1.patch
...
> patching file Mailman/Version.py
> 
> Hunk #1 FAILED at 37.
> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file Mailman/Version.py.rej

This is one of OpenInfo's patches, right?

Did you apply OpenInfo's patch #760567 first?  This is described at:

    http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/mhonarc/index.html

George
-- 
theall at tifaware.com
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Feb 26 23:19:20 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:19:20 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The Mhonarc Integration Patch
In-Reply-To: <51907.66.199.178.30.1077829760.squirrel@www.wolfstar.ca>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040226121720.02f61920@mailhost.geog.ucsb.edu>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040226130547.02f8c658@mailhost.geog.ucsb.edu>
	<51907.66.199.178.30.1077829760.squirrel@www.wolfstar.ca>
Message-ID: <D2E26BB6-68A9-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/mhonarc/index.html

says:

<quote>
Necessary Precursors

The following patch must be applied to Mailman before applying this 
patch:
	 1.  	Mailman Patch #760567: both this patch and #760567 ...
</quote>

and the same information is given in the INSTALL.mhonarc-mm file 
installed by the MHonArc integration patch.

Failure to install patch #760567 will cause the problem you observe.

On 26 Feb 2004, at 21:09, Michel R Vaillancourt wrote:

>
> Hi, folks.  I wanted to try the mhonarc integration patch, so I 
> untar'd a clean
> 2.1.4 bundle and tried to patch.  I got:
>
> =======================
> empire:/usr/local/src/mailman-2.1.4# patch -p1 < 
> ../archives/mhonarc-2.1.4-0.1.patch
> patching file INSTALL.mhonarc-mm
> patching file Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py
> patching file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
> patching file Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py
> patching file Mailman/Defaults.py.in
> Hunk #2 succeeded at 1261 (offset -2 lines).
> patching file Mailman/Errors.py
> patching file Mailman/Gui/Archive.py
> patching file Mailman/Mailbox.py
> patching file Mailman/Version.py
>
> Hunk #1 FAILED at 37.
> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file Mailman/Version.py.rej
>
> patching file bin/arch
> patching file bin/newlist
> patching file templates/Makefile.in
> patching file templates/en/author.mrc
> patching file templates/en/mhonarc.mrc
> patching file templates/en/subject.mrc
> =======================
>
>    Has anyone seen that error before?  Any suggestions on 
> troubleshooting?
>
>    --Michel
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 26 23:54:25 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 26 Feb 2004 17:54:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two quick questions.
In-Reply-To: <000c01c3fc8b$7cb7cd60$c71e063d@upoint>
References: <000c01c3fc8b$7cb7cd60$c71e063d@upoint>
Message-ID: <1077836065.4824.74.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 12:10, Lawrence Lam wrote:
> My first post here. I tried to search the archives but it seems that the
> website is retarded.
> 
> (1) How do I delete MailMan archives (using SSH)?

The archives are stored in ~mailman/archives/private/<listname>/..

You can delete them or modify the mbox (delete individual emails in) the
file:
  ~mailman/archives/private/<listname>.mbox/<listname>.mbox

Then run the mailman command: arch

> 
> (2) What is this for under "Membership Management".
> "Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not currently
> visible"
> - Yes/No

In 2.1.x and up, moderation is done on individuals rather than on whole
lists.  If you put "yes" here then all members of the list will have
their emails moderated - meaning that if they send to the list, it will
be held and can only be released by an admin for the list.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- 
> This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
> 
I love MailScanner!





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 26 23:57:36 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 26 Feb 2004 17:57:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Matter
In-Reply-To: <002501c3fcaf$ef6bed90$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
References: <E1AwOl3-0006Is-MZ@ohio.stageserver.net>
	<1077817398.4824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<00b301c3fc9c$c5b07740$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
	<1077827558.4824.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<002501c3fcaf$ef6bed90$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
Message-ID: <1077836256.4824.77.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 16:31, Mike Phillips wrote:
> My biggest frustration is that I do not have access to the code. It's on a
> shared server.
> 
> My thought was, if someone sends an email to subscribe, and if the email is
> not correctly formatted, they do not know they are not subscribed for a
> while, waiting for the server to respond.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
Understood.  You should try to persuade them to use the List-Info
web-admin interface for your lists. This works very well and is almost
immediate.

Good luck - Jon Carnes 




From alblack at achilles.net  Fri Feb 27 05:30:54 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:30:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] logging problems
In-Reply-To: <1077836256.4824.77.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <002501c3fcaf$ef6bed90$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
	<E1AwOl3-0006Is-MZ@ohio.stageserver.net>
	<1077817398.4824.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<00b301c3fc9c$c5b07740$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
	<1077827558.4824.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<002501c3fcaf$ef6bed90$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040226232034.02d45dc8@pop.achilles.net>

Hi gang,

I'm trying to hunt down a logging problem.  I set up weekly log rotation, 
and it ran fine.  However in the two days subsequently, there been no 
further logging in the locks, post, qrunner, and smtp log files and there's 
been lots of traffic on the lists.

I can't think or see any reason why it should be a problem.  Maybe I 
clobbered the permissions, I touch all these files to make sure they exist 
before restarting mailmanctl.  Could some one send what the correct 
permission are?  Or even better yet, anyone have any ideas what the problem 
could be, or how to troubleshoot this one?

Thanks in advance.
al




From barry at python.org  Fri Feb 27 05:40:35 2004
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:40:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 development list
Message-ID: <1077856834.17639.24.camel@geddy.wooz.org>

I've created a list specifically for discussing Mailman 3 design and
development.  Feel free to subscribe at:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman3-dev

I'd like to keep MM3 discussions off the main mailman-developers list as
much as possible.  The list will be open and will be run with
essentially the same policies as mailman-developers and mailman-users,
except that it will reject posts by non-members.  Sorry, but I think
this will help keep the signal to noise ratio high and it reduces my
administrative burden.

I want to give the list a few days to get populated and then I'll start
posting some issues in preparation for the upcoming sprint at Pycon.

-Barry





From randykel at swbell.net  Fri Feb 27 07:45:13 2004
From: randykel at swbell.net (Randy Kelsoe)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:45:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Interface Password buttons don't work
In-Reply-To: <4039B5E6.6090100@swbell.net>
References: <BC5EE01C.D554%jwblist@olympus.net> <4039B5E6.6090100@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <403EE779.3030800@swbell.net>

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Randy Kelsoe wrote:

> I created the new list with the newlist  command, and added the
> generated aliases to the /etc/postfix/aliases file, then did a
> 'newaliases'. The list is working, I just can't change passwords or get
> mailman to email a password from the web interface.
>
> I did setup my list before I knew I had to create a list called
> 'mailman'. I will try creating a new list and see what happens.
>
> For the email reminders, I can run the cron script manually.
>
>

I tried creating a new list, and still see the same things (the "Email
my password to me" and the "Change My Password" buttons do not do
anything. Any suggestions on how to get these buttons working?

I ran the 'mailpasswds' script manually, and it worked fine. I will
check again at the beginning of the month to see if I can figure out
what is going wrong.



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From meyer at visionconnect.de  Fri Feb 27 14:18:39 2004
From: meyer at visionconnect.de (Hauke Meyer)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:18:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change Subject (confim
	verylongalphanumerictrash)?
Message-ID: <403F43AF.4030902@visionconnect.de>

Repostet with more 'talking' Subject ;-)

Hello folks,

I think its trivial or FAQ. But these confirmation-messages got a nasty Subject
ala "confirm 492724b6c476abf9e8a49555dad65757395exxxx". I know some lists, where
it is changed. BUT where to change it?

Just because some Contentfilters in this world don?t like the "original"...


Greets
Hauke





From ted42 at web.de  Fri Feb 27 14:36:48 2004
From: ted42 at web.de (Tobias Bielohlawek)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:36:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to prevent postings with faked moderator
	emailadress
Message-ID: <FDCF4E8B-6929-11D8-843F-000A95C6054C@web.de>

Hi

I'm running a personalised on-way list. So only the moderator is 
allowed to post.
For that I've put his mailadr. to the moderator list. Now all posting 
from this adress are accepted
everything else gets rejected.
But as you know, emailadresses can be faked and so it is possible that
somebody else  can post to the list.
Is there any way to make the list more secure?
e.g. the moderator has to put a password into his posting or subject!?

Thanks
  Bye Tobi




From ted42 at web.de  Fri Feb 27 14:37:33 2004
From: ted42 at web.de (Tobias Bielohlawek)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:37:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Get rid of CC Headers
Message-ID: <18AAB3AE-692A-11D8-843F-000A95C6054C@web.de>

Hi

I'm running a personalised on-way list. So far, everything works 
alright,
accept of the CC Header with the listadress  included in every mail.
I don't need them and it is confusing for the recipients - can I get 
rid of the CC entry???

Thanks
   Tobi




From dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk  Fri Feb 27 14:46:24 2004
From: dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk (David W Smith)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:46:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Output from "cron" command/permission denied for
	'config.pk'
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402271334440.22648@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could shed light on why I'm getting the error
message found below. I'm running mm 2.1.4 with exim 4.30 under Solaris 8
Sparc. I have 43 mailing lists and this error occurs for only one of them.
The permissions for 'config.pck' (and the other related files) are the
same for all my mailing lists; 'config.pck' has permissions of 660.

The name of the server and the mailing list have been replaced with
'server' and 'listname'.

Your "cron" job on server
/usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests

produced the following output:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 82, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 594, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(file)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 560, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/listname/config.pck'

Thanks for any help.

David Smith

University of Oxford



From theall at tifaware.com  Fri Feb 27 15:58:12 2004
From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:58:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to prevent postings with faked moderator
	emailadress
In-Reply-To: <FDCF4E8B-6929-11D8-843F-000A95C6054C@web.de>
References: <FDCF4E8B-6929-11D8-843F-000A95C6054C@web.de>
Message-ID: <20040227145812.GA8209@tifaware.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 02:36:48PM +0100, Tobias Bielohlawek wrote:

> Is there any way to make the list more secure?
> e.g. the moderator has to put a password into his posting or subject!?

Yes, you want to set up the moderator with a password (under the
Passwords section of the list administration pages) and have him / her
include that in an Approved: header (or first line). 

George
-- 
theall at tifaware.com
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From steen at loecke.dk  Fri Feb 27 16:01:15 2004
From: steen at loecke.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Steen_L=F8cke?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:01:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reason: Message body is too big: 225276 bytes with
	a limit of 40 KB
Message-ID: <BIECLACKOHMNCJJGAIMACEPECFAA.steen@loecke.dk>

Hi friends :))

I have tried to sent out a mail to my users, but I recieved this message:
As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the

following mailing list posting:

List: mydomain at mydomain.domian

From: listmaster at mydomain.domian

Subject: Newsletter

Reason: Message body is too big: 225276 bytes with a limit of 40KB


Where can I change the limit?


Regards
Steen

From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Feb 27 16:02:17 2004
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul Smith)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:02:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Repost] Internal vs. external mail addresses
Message-ID: <16447.23545.192017.446556@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

[[ I sent this back in October 2003 but no response... I wonder if
   anyone has any thoughts about this problem? ]]

I have some internal mailing lists that are trying to be closed (only
members can post without moderator approval).

Unfortunately, we have different email addresses for internal
vs. external mail, and our Exchange (:-/) server rewrites our addresses
for mail we send internally to be from the internal address, even if we
have a From: line etc. using the external address.

So, when people send mail to the list part of the time it looks like it
comes from their external address, and part of the time it looks like it
comes from their internal address.  When the mail looks like it comes
from the "other" address and it's addressed to a closed list, the
moderator has to approve it.  This is a major pain!


I'm wondering if there's any capability in Mailman to have it understand
that two different mail domains are really equivalent, so that
psmith at foobar.com is the same as psmith at lists.foo.bar.com  (for
example)?

Anyone else have any ideas (not including changing the way our email or
Exchange servers work... believe me I'd love to do that but...)?

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul D. Smith <psmith at nortelnetworks.com>   HASMAT: HA Software Mthds & Tools
 "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.



From theall at tifaware.com  Fri Feb 27 16:26:10 2004
From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:26:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reason: Message body is too big: 225276 bytes
	with a limit of 40 KB
In-Reply-To: <BIECLACKOHMNCJJGAIMACEPECFAA.steen@loecke.dk>
References: <BIECLACKOHMNCJJGAIMACEPECFAA.steen@loecke.dk>
Message-ID: <20040227152610.GC8209@tifaware.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 04:01:15PM +0100, Steen L?cke wrote:

> Reason: Message body is too big: 225276 bytes with a limit of 40KB
> 
> Where can I change the limit?

If you use the web admin interface, look under General Options, near the
bottom of the page.  If you use config_list instead, the option is named
max_message_size. 

George
-- 
theall at tifaware.com
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From skip at pobox.com  Fri Feb 27 16:28:47 2004
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:28:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reason: Message body is too big: 225276 bytes with
	a limit of 40 KB
In-Reply-To: <BIECLACKOHMNCJJGAIMACEPECFAA.steen@loecke.dk>
References: <BIECLACKOHMNCJJGAIMACEPECFAA.steen@loecke.dk>
Message-ID: <16447.25135.736893.217157@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Steen> Reason: Message body is too big: 225276 bytes with a limit of 40KB

    Steen> Where can I change the limit?

Change the value of max_message_size on the general options page.

Skip



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb 27 17:21:28 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:21:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Get rid of CC Headers
In-Reply-To: <18AAB3AE-692A-11D8-843F-000A95C6054C@web.de>
References: <18AAB3AE-692A-11D8-843F-000A95C6054C@web.de>
Message-ID: <p0600200bbc651eb40dd7@[10.0.1.2]>

At 2:37 PM +0100 2004/02/27, Tobias Bielohlawek wrote:

>  I'm running a personalised on-way list. So far, everything works alright,
>  accept of the CC Header with the listadress  included in every mail.
>  I don't need them and it is confusing for the recipients - can I get rid
>  of the CC entry???

	Not with Mailman, at least not unless you want to hack the source 
code to do it.  You might be able to configure your MTA to do this 
for you.

	However, this kind of thing might cause even more confusion to 
your users and make it more difficult for their respective mail 
systems to detect and eliminate duplicates, if you start changing or 
deleting headers willy-nilly.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb 27 17:23:36 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:23:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Repost] Internal vs. external mail
 addresses
In-Reply-To: <16447.23545.192017.446556@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
References: <16447.23545.192017.446556@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200cbc651f483085@[10.0.1.2]>

At 10:02 AM -0500 2004/02/27, Paul Smith wrote:

>  I'm wondering if there's any capability in Mailman to have it understand
>  that two different mail domains are really equivalent, so that
>  psmith at foobar.com is the same as psmith at lists.foo.bar.com  (for
>  example)?

	Not without hacking the source code, at least so far as I know.

>  Anyone else have any ideas (not including changing the way our email or
>  Exchange servers work... believe me I'd love to do that but...)?

	IMO, the solution is to fix the problem where it is created. 
Given what kind of damage they're doing to the mail addresses, it may 
be completely impossible to fix this problem anywhere else.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb 27 17:19:52 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:19:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to prevent postings with faked
	moderator 	emailadress
In-Reply-To: <FDCF4E8B-6929-11D8-843F-000A95C6054C@web.de>
References: <FDCF4E8B-6929-11D8-843F-000A95C6054C@web.de>
Message-ID: <p0600200abc651e63faf5@[10.0.1.2]>

At 2:36 PM +0100 2004/02/27, Tobias Bielohlawek wrote:

>  But as you know, emailadresses can be faked and so it is possible that
>  somebody else  can post to the list.

	Yup.

>  Is there any way to make the list more secure?

	I think there were some PGP signing hacks made a long time ago, 
but I don't think they've been updated in years.  You'd probably have 
to either bring them up-to-date, or downgrade your mailman 
installation severely.

>  e.g. the moderator has to put a password into his posting or subject!?

	Other than the PGP handling, I'm not aware of anything.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From rpjday at mindspring.com  Fri Feb 27 18:36:16 2004
From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:36:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a policy question about setting up mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402271221470.3423@h229.starnix.com>


  as a followup to a previous post of mine asking about setting a host 
name when configuring mailman, i have a question not about actual setup, 
but about *how* i should set it up.

  to review, let's say i work at yoyodyne.com, at which there are lots of 
internal systems, including one called internal.yoyodyne.com.  it's a 
fairly stable system, so i want to use it to host one or more mailing 
lists, starting with just internal users but with the option to expand to 
allow external users access to the same lists.

  the first issue: "internal" is not visible to the outside world, 
certainly not by that name.  in any case, for both internal and external 
users, i don't want *anyone* to have to use or see the name "internal",
i want to base all mailman usage on the host name "lists.yoyodyne.com".
(at the very least, this gives me the option of moving the lists to 
another host some day transparently).  so "lists" is just going to be a 
hostname alias for the "internal" system.

  the above is easy -- the sys admin at yoyodyne can add the appropriate 
entry in the DNS tables to route incoming mail addressed to "lists" to the 
"internal" machine.  so far, so good.

  but here's the rub.  all email addresses of people at yoyodyne are of
the form fred at yoyodyne.com -- no specific host name is used as part of the 
address, all mail just goes to the central mail server and is fetched from 
there.  but what does this do to my mailman configuration?

  i can see that, when i'm configuring mailman, i'd set my 
DEFAULT_URL_HOST to "lists.yoyodyne.com", since that's how i want everyone 
to see the alleged mail host.  but what about DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST?

  if i set that to "lists.yoyodyne.com", that sort of violates the 
longtime usage of not putting a specific hostname on the domain name when 
mailing to an account at yoyodyne (as in, mailman at lists.yoyodyne.com).

  but if i leave the hostname off, to get mailman at yoyodyne.com, i run the 
risk of someone else at yoyodyne saying, "hey, mailing lists!  cool!  i 
think i'll set some up as well", and clashing with my already-existing
mailman at yoyodyne.com address, even if they use a different URL.  sort of,
pooched if i do, pooched if i don't.

  so what's the general solution?  or am i describing a situation that's a 
bit weird that most people wouldn't run into?  a pointer to a URL would be
just ducky.

rday
  



From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Feb 27 18:41:09 2004
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul Smith)
Date: 27 Feb 2004 12:41:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Repost] Internal vs. external mail addresses
In-Reply-To: <p0600200cbc651f483085@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <16447.23545.192017.446556@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p0600200cbc651f483085@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <vpdrd680774a.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

%% Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be> writes:

  bk> At 10:02 AM -0500 2004/02/27, Paul Smith wrote:

  >> I'm wondering if there's any capability in Mailman to have it
  >> understand that two different mail domains are really equivalent,
  >> so that psmith at foobar.com is the same as psmith at lists.foo.bar.com
  >> (for example)?

  bk> Not without hacking the source code, at least so far as I know.

Hm.  What about something that sits between the MDA and Mailman and
makes this translation?  Does that seem feasible?  Would this require
changing the alias for each list, for example, or is there another way
to do this from within the MTA?  I'm using postfix.

I'm willing to require that all addresses that Mailman sees be the
"external" address (@foobar.com), and the internal addresses can all be
easily mapped to that external address by stripping off the internal
domain and adding the external domain.  The reverse is not true because
there are multiple Exchange servers with different addresses.

  >> Anyone else have any ideas (not including changing the way our
  >> email or Exchange servers work... believe me I'd love to do that
  >> but...)?

  bk> IMO, the solution is to fix the problem where it is created.

As I said, that would be good but is utterly out of the question.  The
people in charge of all the mail infrastructure will never do that.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul D. Smith <psmith at nortelnetworks.com>   HASMAT--HA Software Mthds & Tools
 "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.



From jdell at unr.edu  Fri Feb 27 19:02:59 2004
From: jdell at unr.edu (John Dell)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:02:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to prevent postings with faked	moderator
	emailadress
In-Reply-To: <p0600200abc651e63faf5@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <FDCF4E8B-6929-11D8-843F-000A95C6054C@web.de>
	<p0600200abc651e63faf5@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <403F8653.7080802@unr.edu>

Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 2:36 PM +0100 2004/02/27, Tobias Bielohlawek wrote:
> 
>>  But as you know, emailadresses can be faked and so it is possible that
>>  somebody else  can post to the list.
> 
> 
>     Yup.
> 
>>  Is there any way to make the list more secure?
> 
> 
>     I think there were some PGP signing hacks made a long time ago, but 
> I don't think they've been updated in years.  You'd probably have to 
> either bring them up-to-date, or downgrade your mailman installation 
> severely.
> 
>>  e.g. the moderator has to put a password into his posting or subject!?
> 
> 
>     Other than the PGP handling, I'm not aware of anything.

we had that problem, so I made it so every posting has to be manually 
approved by the moderator (including postings from the moderator!). 
IOW, everybody gets the moderator bit set.  Fortunately, this only 
happened on a low-volume announce only list.

John



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 27 19:08:20 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 27 Feb 2004 13:08:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mm_stats question
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040227095007.028f0ec8@pop.achilles.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040227095007.028f0ec8@pop.achilles.net>
Message-ID: <1077905300.3182.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I just double checked and it works fine on all my sites...
Do you have any lists with "=" in the name?

If that is the case, then you would need to modify the first line and
add in an additional cut:

  SIZ=`grep -i "post to $i" $POST |grep success |cut -f2- -d, | \
     cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d,`
  k=0; for j in $SIZ; do k=$(( j + k )); done
  echo "  Total bytes" = $k >> $TMPFILE

This additional cut will remove the listname from the line before using
the "=" to isolate the size of the message

If that doesn't do it for you, then drop a copy of your post log and the
name of the list with the problems and I'll see what needs to be
modified.

Hope this is helpful - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 10:24, Al Black wrote:
> Hi Jon,
> 
> I trying out the mm_stats script you wrote (see 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg15378.html) and 
> have a couple of little bugs you might be able to help me with.  I'm using 
> version 2.1.4 of mailman.
> 
> I get two errors running the script from command line.
> 
> The first is:
> 
> ===: not found
> 
> I'm pretty sure this happens when the script hits a list we have that has 
> no traffic.
> 
> The second one is the one I'm more concerned with:
> 
> /usr/home/lamps/test/mm_stats: arith: syntax error: " j + k "
> 
> What seems to be happening is that the lines:
> #  SIZ=`grep -i "post to $i" $POST |grep success |cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d,`
> #  k=0; for j in $SIZ; do k=$(( j + k )); done
> 
> isn't cutting the size=field properly.
> 
> Any suggestions for a fix?  Otherwise the script is running great, and it 
> will make my list members happy.  (In fact maybe it, or a bunch of 
> variations on it, could be included in the mailman 3 suite.)
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> al
> 
> 
> # Mailman's log file to be examined for stats
> POST=/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/logs/post
> 
> 
> # create temp file to collect stats
> TMPFILE=`mktemp /tmp/mm_stats.XXXXXX` || exit 1
> 
> 
> LIST="`/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists |awk '{print $1}' 
> |sed -n '2,$p'`"
> for i in $LIST
> do
>    echo "Stats from local Mailman list: $i" > $TMPFILE
>    echo " "  >> $TMPFILE
>    echo -n "   Starting:  " >> $TMPFILE
>    head -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d " >> $TMPFILE
>    echo -n "   Ending:    " >> $TMPFILE
>    tail -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d " >> $TMPFILE
>    echo " ======================================= " >> $TMPFILE
>    echo -n "Total posts to the list: " >> $TMPFILE
>    grep -i "post to $i " $POST |wc -l >> $TMPFILE
>    echo -n "Total SUCCESSFUL posts to the list: " >> $TMPFILE
>    grep -i "post to $i " $POST |grep success |wc -l >> $TMPFILE
> #  SIZ=`grep -i "post to $i" $POST |grep success |cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d,`
> #  k=0; for j in $SIZ; do k=$(( j + k )); done
>    echo "  Total bytes" = $k >> $TMPFILE
>    echo " "  >> $TMPFILE
>    echo "Top 10 posters to the list:" >> $TMPFILE
>    grep -i "post to $i " $POST |cut -f 10 "-d " |sort |uniq -c \
>       |sort -bgr |head -10 >> $TMPFILE
>    echo " " >> $TMPFILE
>    # Mail the collected stats off to the list admin and cc the mailman user
>    # mail -s "Mailman Stats for List: $i" -c mailman $i-admin <$TMPFILE
>    # mail the collected Stats for lists to the server admin
>     mail -s "Mailman Stats for List: $i" server-admin <$TMPFILE
> done
> 




From feats at colorado.icam.vt.edu  Fri Feb 27 19:51:04 2004
From: feats at colorado.icam.vt.edu (Steve Greenfield)
Date: 27 Feb 2004 13:51:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot make changes to mailman list!
Message-ID: <1077907864.6611.468.camel@colorado.icam.vt.edu>

I am using mailman-2.1.2-2 on a Redhat 9 system.  Part of the setup
of mailman asks you to define the mailman mailing list which I have
done.  I also have a second list.  When I go to "the list admin
overview page" it shows my two lists.  When I select the Mailman
list I am not able to get into the administrative pages to make any
changes.  I can get into the other list just fine.

I get an email, as list owner of Mailman, everyday that says:

    As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
    following mailing list posting:

      List:    Mailman at colorado.icam.vt.edu
      From:    feats at colorado.icam.vt.edu
      Subject: 
      Reason:  Post by non-member to a members-only list

    At your convenience, visit:

      http://colorado.icam.vt.edu/mailman/admindb/mailman
        
    to approve or deny the request.

When I visit the URL above it does nothing.  Is this normal or
have I done something wrong?  Thanks!



From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Fri Feb 27 19:57:25 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:57:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting list of list owners and list names
Message-ID: <003e01c3fd63$89cd5230$0b7a799f@chris>

I know that I can get a list of list owners by using the list_members
command, but can I get a list of owners with the associated lists?





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb 27 19:48:18 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:48:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a policy question about setting up
 mailman
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402271221470.3423@h229.starnix.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402271221470.3423@h229.starnix.com>
Message-ID: <p06002013bc6540c90ac3@[10.0.1.2]>

At 12:36 PM -0500 2004/02/27, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

>    i can see that, when i'm configuring mailman, i'd set my
>  DEFAULT_URL_HOST to "lists.yoyodyne.com", since that's how i want everyone
>  to see the alleged mail host.  but what about DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST?
>
>    if i set that to "lists.yoyodyne.com", that sort of violates the
>  longtime usage of not putting a specific hostname on the domain name when
>  mailing to an account at yoyodyne (as in, mailman at lists.yoyodyne.com).

	Unless you can control all of the aliases that are created on the 
central mail servers, so that mailman at example.com and 
listname at example.com get mapped to their appropriate 
mailman at lists.example.com and listname at lists.example.com, then you 
may have no other choice.

	Keep in mind that mailman creates something like a dozen 
different aliases for each list, one for each of the various 
functions (so there is a listname-subscribe at lists.example.com, 
listname-unsubscribe at lists.exaple.com, etc...).

>    but if i leave the hostname off, to get mailman at yoyodyne.com, i run the
>  risk of someone else at yoyodyne saying, "hey, mailing lists!  cool!  i
>  think i'll set some up as well", and clashing with my already-existing
>  mailman at yoyodyne.com address, even if they use a different URL.  sort of,
>  pooched if i do, pooched if i don't.

	Yup.

>    so what's the general solution?  or am i describing a situation that's a
>  bit weird that most people wouldn't run into?  a pointer to a URL would be
>  just ducky.

	How much control do you have over those central servers?  If you 
don't have any control over them, then the only solution will be to 
use the virtual hostname.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb 27 19:44:25 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:44:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Repost] Internal vs. external mail
 addresses
In-Reply-To: <vpdrd680774a.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
References: <16447.23545.192017.446556@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p0600200cbc651f483085@[10.0.1.2]>
	<vpdrd680774a.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
Message-ID: <p06002012bc653fead69d@[10.0.1.2]>

At 12:41 PM -0500 2004/02/27, Paul Smith wrote:

>  Hm.  What about something that sits between the MDA and Mailman and
>  makes this translation?  Does that seem feasible?

	What would you put there?  How would that program work?

>                                                     Would this require
>  changing the alias for each list, for example, or is there another way
>  to do this from within the MTA?  I'm using postfix.

	You could probably configure postfix to use a different local 
delivery agent, one that was configured to munge all addresses 
appropriately, before handling as would previously have been done.

	Regardless how you do it, you've got a fair amount of program 
writing to do.

>  As I said, that would be good but is utterly out of the question.  The
>  people in charge of all the mail infrastructure will never do that.

	Then you may well be permanently screwed, depending on how much 
damage their servers cause to the e-mail addresses in question.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From theall at tifaware.com  Fri Feb 27 20:06:57 2004
From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:06:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting list of list owners and list names
In-Reply-To: <003e01c3fd63$89cd5230$0b7a799f@chris>
References: <003e01c3fd63$89cd5230$0b7a799f@chris>
Message-ID: <20040227190657.GA22829@tifaware.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 10:57:25AM -0800, Christopher Adams wrote:

> I know that I can get a list of list owners by using the list_members
> command, but can I get a list of owners with the associated lists?

list_owners -w

George
-- 
theall at tifaware.com
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From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Feb 27 20:11:20 2004
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul Smith)
Date: 27 Feb 2004 14:11:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Repost] Internal vs. external mail addresses
In-Reply-To: <p06002012bc653fead69d@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <16447.23545.192017.446556@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p0600200cbc651f483085@[10.0.1.2]>
	<vpdrd680774a.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p06002012bc653fead69d@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <vpdr7jy872xz.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

%% Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be> writes:

  bk> At 12:41 PM -0500 2004/02/27, Paul Smith wrote:
  >> Hm.  What about something that sits between the MDA and Mailman and
  >> makes this translation?  Does that seem feasible?

  bk> 	What would you put there?  How would that program work?

Well... what field does Mailman use to get the sender's address when it
verifies they are a member of the list?

Basically I was thinking I'd just do the equivalent of:

    sed 's/^\(Sender: [^@]*\)@[^ ]*\.bar\.com/\1 at foobar.com/'

Obviously there might be a little tweaking necessary.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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 "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
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   These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.



From alblack at achilles.net  Fri Feb 27 21:25:39 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:25:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mm_stats question
In-Reply-To: <1077905300.3182.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040227095007.028f0ec8@pop.achilles.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040227095007.028f0ec8@pop.achilles.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040227151304.028eff28@pop.achilles.net>

Hey John,

At 01:08 PM 2/27/2004 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:

>I just double checked and it works fine on all my sites...
>Do you have any lists with "=" in the name?
>
>If that doesn't do it for you, then drop a copy of your post log and the
>name of the list with the problems and I'll see what needs to be
>modified.

Nope didn't do the trick.  None of the lists have an "=" in them but all 
but two have "-"

lls
test
lls-business
lls-ts
lls-12step-men
lls-12step-women

I've attached the post logs, although there's not much in it because I 
rotated them a while ago.  If its better I can un pack one, and send it 
along.  The bug still happens though, even with the limited set.

Thanks.

al 
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Feb 27 10:52:19 2004 (42920) post to test from test-bounces at aa-lamplighters.org, size=950, message-id=<mailman.0.1077904336.42918.test at aa-lamplighters.org>, 1 failures
Feb 27 10:54:51 2004 (42920) post to test from test-bounces at aa-lamplighters.org, size=950, message-id=<mailman.2.1077904490.42918.test at aa-lamplighters.org>, 1 failures
Feb 27 10:55:32 2004 (42920) post to lls from alblack at achilles.net, size=1549, message-id=<5.2.0.9.0.20040227125529.02d28958 at pop.achilles.net>, success
Feb 27 11:11:16 2004 (42920) post to lls from chicaricax at aol.com, size=1388, message-id=<80.64d9a2f.2d70e22c at aol.com>, success
Feb 27 11:25:29 2004 (42920) post to lls from clb14 at humboldt.edu, size=2461, message-id=<1154.137.150.29.92.1077906378.squirrel at webmail.humboldt.edu>, success
Feb 27 11:43:31 2004 (42920) post to lls from tye at adnc.com, size=3733, message-id=<001c01c3fd61$90b7b740$bbddd8d1 at D2407T31>, success
Feb 27 11:45:54 2004 (42920) post to 12-step-women from jenifer_mule at yahoo.com, size=1495, message-id=<20040227184544.71558.qmail at web41713.mail.yahoo.com>, success
Feb 27 11:51:38 2004 (42920) post to 12-step-women from lillamb1997 at yahoo.co.uk, size=1234, message-id=<000301c3fd62$c2086be0$9800a8c0 at obione>, success
Feb 27 12:01:55 2004 (42920) post to lls from lyndi at insightbb.com, size=1949, message-id=<403F9403.CFF8EEC4 at insightbb.com>, success
Feb 27 12:02:45 2004 (42920) post to lls from arkie at hawaii.rr.com, size=2310, message-id=<BC64B810.F7DB%arkie at hawaii.rr.com>, success
Feb 27 12:27:07 2004 (42920) post to lls from jenifer_mule at yahoo.com, size=3337, message-id=<20040227192652.61900.qmail at web41710.mail.yahoo.com>, success
Feb 27 12:35:53 2004 (42920) post to lls from bwtyler at email.com, size=1622, message-id=<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA2BrmIb0c1EOFE7B/Cg9dzcKAAAAQAAAA6lJ+pmhxW0aVnoAL++d4VgEAAAAA at email.com>, success
Feb 27 12:45:14 2004 (42920) post to lls from gomez423 at adelphia.net, size=1370, message-id=<ECEPLGNNJMINLGDFLBLCOEDACCAA.gomez423 at adelphia.net>, success

From ted42 at web.de  Fri Feb 27 21:31:27 2004
From: ted42 at web.de (Tobias Bielohlawek)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:31:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to prevent postings with faked	moderator
	emailadress
In-Reply-To: <403F8653.7080802@unr.edu>
References: <FDCF4E8B-6929-11D8-843F-000A95C6054C@web.de>
	<p0600200abc651e63faf5@[10.0.1.2]> <403F8653.7080802@unr.edu>
Message-ID: <EB676422-6963-11D8-8FB1-000A95C6054C@web.de>

Hi all!

thanks for you suggestion, but for me this is not very satisfying.
there must be an easier way without manually approving the posting!

George Theall solution to put a password to the header oder body
sounds very nice, but I don't get it work!

Any Docs or FAQ  on this topic out there?

I mean nearly every moderated list has this problem!!

Thanks
  Tobi


On Feb 27, 2004, at 19:02 Uhr, John Dell wrote:

> Brad Knowles wrote:
>> At 2:36 PM +0100 2004/02/27, Tobias Bielohlawek wrote:
>>>  But as you know, emailadresses can be faked and so it is possible 
>>> that
>>>  somebody else  can post to the list.
>>     Yup.
>>>  Is there any way to make the list more secure?
>>     I think there were some PGP signing hacks made a long time ago, 
>> but I don't think they've been updated in years.  You'd probably have 
>> to either bring them up-to-date, or downgrade your mailman 
>> installation severely.
>>>  e.g. the moderator has to put a password into his posting or 
>>> subject!?
>>     Other than the PGP handling, I'm not aware of anything.
>
> we had that problem, so I made it so every posting has to be manually 
> approved by the moderator (including postings from the moderator!). 
> IOW, everybody gets the moderator bit set.  Fortunately, this only 
> happened on a low-volume announce only list.

From burak at burak.org  Fri Feb 27 21:50:50 2004
From: burak at burak.org (burak at burak.org)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:50:50 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on HyperArch.py and HyperArch.pyc
Message-ID: <D09D9DB108B94D45A66849A639BE60E3.MAI@iridiumdns.net>

I have a quick (I hope :-) question. I tried to modify the HyperArch.py file to add a custom header
and footer, but the html pages displayed looked no different (it still only used the default
archidxxxx.html files).

I saw a post that said that I need to shut down the mailman, remove the .pyc files and restart. I
did this, but HyperArch.pyc was not recreated. Furthermore, now, none of the emails I sent to the
list are displayed (I constantly get a emptyarchive page) although I have received the emails.

Can somebody help me out?

Thanks,

Burak

burak at burak.org


From wizard at syntheticsw.com  Fri Feb 27 22:02:41 2004
From: wizard at syntheticsw.com (Torsten Giebl)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:02:41 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Host Name of existing Mail.Lists
Message-ID: <2601.217.0.158.96.1077915761.squirrel@217.0.158.96>

Hello !


I use Mailman for some time now
and never had any problems. Great work.

Now i want to change the Host Name of all my
MailingLists

from
www.synolution.com/mailman/listinfo/xyxyxy
to
lists.syntheticsw.com/mailman/listinfo/xyxyxy

Is that possible ?


CU



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 27 23:30:12 2004
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 27 Feb 2004 17:30:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mm_stats question
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040227151304.028eff28@pop.achilles.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040227095007.028f0ec8@pop.achilles.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040227095007.028f0ec8@pop.achilles.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20040227151304.028eff28@pop.achilles.net>
Message-ID: <1077921012.3234.22.camel@localhost.localdomain>


On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 15:25, Al Black wrote:
> Hey John,
> 
> At 01:08 PM 2/27/2004 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> >I just double checked and it works fine on all my sites...
> >Do you have any lists with "=" in the name?
> >
> >If that doesn't do it for you, then drop a copy of your post log and the
> >name of the list with the problems and I'll see what needs to be
> >modified.
> 
> Nope didn't do the trick.  None of the lists have an "=" in them but all 
> but two have "-"
> 
> lls
> test
> lls-business
> lls-ts
> lls-12step-men
> lls-12step-women
> 
> I've attached the post logs, although there's not much in it because I 
> rotated them a while ago.  If its better I can un pack one, and send it 
> along.  The bug still happens though, even with the limited set.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> al 

Sorry, Al

Your sample worked just fine - no errors. I checked it against all your
list names.  Check your script for typos.

You can also run each part of the script and see what results you get:

  grep -i "post to lls" post
    # this will show you all the attempted posts to list lls

  grep -i "post to lls" post |grep success
    # this will show you all successful posts to the list lls

  grep -i "post to lls" post |grep success |cut -f2 -d=
    # this will remove all info on the left side of the message size
    # the output will like like this:
     1549, message-id
     1388, message-id
     2461, message-id
     3733, message-id
     1949, message-id
     2310, message-id
     3337, message-id
     1622, message-id
     1370, message-id


  grep -i "post to lls" post |grep success |cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d,
    # this drops the info to the right of the message size
    # the message size is now isolated on each line:
     1549
     1388
     2461
     3733
     1949
     2310
     3337
     1622
     1370

It worked just fine here. Good luck again

Jon Carnes




From pdontthink at angrynerds.com  Fri Feb 27 23:33:13 2004
From: pdontthink at angrynerds.com (p dont think)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:33:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Common list names on different virtual domains
Message-ID: <65144.66.127.56.252.1077921193.squirrel@66.127.56.252>

All,

  Yes, this has been asked and answered a hundred times here, as I see in
the archives.  Please bear with me...

  I am moving away from Majordomo2, and I am having a hard time accepting
that having identically named lists on different virtual domains
requires such hacked solutions to an otherwise wonderfully mature tool. 
(I'll also miss the concept of user aliases in MJ2, which allowed users
to post from more than one email address whilst having only one list
subscription.  Pointers on this are always very welcome.)

  My favorite thread is here:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mailman.user/30838

  That thread is two years old, and, as far as I can see, those are still
the only two solutions:

    Append the domain name to the list name and work magic with your MTA's
aliases (I like this, but I really *do not* want Mailman to send out
links to the list with the domain name on it, as Will was asking about
in that thread)

    Run multiple installations of Mailman (talk about overkill... or has
someone figured out how to symlink most of it and just separate out
the data?)

  Are there any patches or how-to's out there that address this that I may
have missed?  Yes, I've read the FAQ, and its answer is along the lines
of the above and just won't cut it for me.  With the number of people
clammoring for this functionality, I'm surprised that there aren't some
3rd party solutions/hacks for it and/or that Mailman hasn't been changed
to address this.

  Don't get me wrong - as an OS developer myself, I understand the
commitment needed to work on these things.  My intent isn't as much to
whine, but to see if there's some good stuff out there I may have
missed.

  Thanks,

    Paul




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Feb 27 21:22:32 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:22:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Repost] Internal vs. external mail
 addresses
In-Reply-To: <vpdr7jy872xz.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
References: <16447.23545.192017.446556@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p0600200cbc651f483085@[10.0.1.2]>
	<vpdrd680774a.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<p06002012bc653fead69d@[10.0.1.2]>
	<vpdr7jy872xz.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
Message-ID: <p06002014bc6555bff456@[10.0.1.2]>

At 2:11 PM -0500 2004/02/27, Paul Smith wrote:

>  Well... what field does Mailman use to get the sender's address when it
>  verifies they are a member of the list?

	That is something you can change in mm_cfg.py.  See Defaults.py 
to find out what it is typically.

>  Basically I was thinking I'd just do the equivalent of:
>
>      sed 's/^\(Sender: [^@]*\)@[^ ]*\.bar\.com/\1 at foobar.com/'
>
>  Obviously there might be a little tweaking necessary.

	Quoting from my own mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py (for 2.1.4):

# When allowing only members to post to a mailing list, how is the sender of
# the message determined?  If this variable is set to Yes, then first the
# message's envelope sender is used, with a fallback to the sender if there is
# no envelope sender.  Set this variable to No to always use the sender.
#
# The envelope sender is set by the SMTP delivery and is thus less easily
# spoofed than the sender, which is typically just taken from the From: header
# and thus easily spoofed by the end-user.  However, sometimes the envelope
# sender isn't set correctly and this will manifest itself by postings being
# held for approval even if they appear to come from a list member.  If you
# are having this problem, set this variable to No, but understand that some
# spoofed messages may get through.
USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = Yes

# Membership tests for posting purposes are usually performed by looking at a
# set of headers, passing the test if any of their values match a member of
# the list.  Headers are checked in the order given in this variable.  The
# value None means use the From_ (envelope sender) header.  Field names are
# case insensitive.
SENDER_HEADERS = ('from', None, 'reply-to', 'sender')

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat Feb 28 01:21:33 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:21:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Common list names on different
 virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <65144.66.127.56.252.1077921193.squirrel@66.127.56.252>
References: <65144.66.127.56.252.1077921193.squirrel@66.127.56.252>
Message-ID: <p06002017bc658f1564b3@[10.0.1.2]>

At 2:33 PM -0800 2004/02/27, p dont think wrote:

>  (I'll also miss the concept of user aliases in MJ2, which allowed users
>  to post from more than one email address whilst having only one list
>  subscription.  Pointers on this are always very welcome.)

	Go to Privacy Options -> Sender Filters, and add the additional 
sender addresses to the "List of non-member addresses whose postings 
should be              automatically accepted".

-- 
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
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From pdontthink at angrynerds.com  Sat Feb 28 01:53:16 2004
From: pdontthink at angrynerds.com (p dont think)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:53:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Common list names on different virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <p06002017bc658f1564b3@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <65144.66.127.56.252.1077921193.squirrel@66.127.56.252>
	<p06002017bc658f1564b3@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <64493.66.127.56.252.1077929596.squirrel@66.127.56.252>

>>  (I'll also miss the concept of user aliases in MJ2, which allowed users
>>  to post from more than one email address whilst having only one list
>>  subscription.  Pointers on this are always very welcome.)
>
> Go to Privacy Options -> Sender Filters, and add the additional
> sender addresses to the "List of non-member addresses whose postings
> should be              automatically accepted".

Thanks for the pointer.  It'd be nice if this was configurable by the
users themselves on an account-by-account basis, but I'll take what I can
get.  Now if I can only figure out a way to do the virtual domain stuff
w/out tearing my hair out...   :)

Cheers,

  Paul



From patricklesslie at iinet.net.au  Sat Feb 28 09:12:39 2004
From: patricklesslie at iinet.net.au (Patrick Lesslie)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:12:39 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Interface Password buttons don't work
In-Reply-To: <403EE779.3030800@swbell.net>
References: <4039B5E6.6090100@swbell.net> <403EE779.3030800@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <20040228081239.GA9060@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 12:45:13AM -0600, Randy Kelsoe wrote:
> 
> I tried creating a new list, and still see the same things (the "Email
> my password to me" and the "Change My Password" buttons do not do
> anything. Any suggestions on how to get these buttons working?
> 
> I ran the 'mailpasswds' script manually, and it worked fine. I will
> check again at the beginning of the month to see if I can figure out
> what is going wrong.

Just a guess, but it still sounds a bit like an aliases problem.
Can you confirm that the aliases are working?



From randykel at swbell.net  Sat Feb 28 14:49:30 2004
From: randykel at swbell.net (Randy Kelsoe)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:49:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Interface Password buttons don't work
In-Reply-To: <20040228081239.GA9060@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>
References: <4039B5E6.6090100@swbell.net> <403EE779.3030800@swbell.net>
	<20040228081239.GA9060@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>
Message-ID: <40409C6A.4060500@swbell.net>

Patrick Lesslie wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 12:45:13AM -0600, Randy Kelsoe wrote:
>
>>I tried creating a new list, and still see the same things (the "Email
>>my password to me" and the "Change My Password" buttons do not do
>>anything. Any suggestions on how to get these buttons working?
>>
>>I ran the 'mailpasswds' script manually, and it worked fine. I will
>>check again at the beginning of the month to see if I can figure out
>>what is going wrong.
>
>
> Just a guess, but it still sounds a bit like an aliases problem.
> Can you confirm that the aliases are working?
>

Yes, I have confirmed all my aliases are working. The list is working
fine, except for the 2 web interface buttons.




From randykel at swbell.net  Sat Feb 28 15:45:09 2004
From: randykel at swbell.net (Randy Kelsoe)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:45:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Interface Password buttons don't work
In-Reply-To: <20040228081239.GA9060@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>
References: <4039B5E6.6090100@swbell.net> <403EE779.3030800@swbell.net>
	<20040228081239.GA9060@tethys.lesslie.ath.cx>
Message-ID: <4040A975.4010902@swbell.net>

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Patrick Lesslie wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 12:45:13AM -0600, Randy Kelsoe wrote:
>
>>I tried creating a new list, and still see the same things (the "Email
>>my password to me" and the "Change My Password" buttons do not do
>>anything. Any suggestions on how to get these buttons working?
>>
>>I ran the 'mailpasswds' script manually, and it worked fine. I will
>>check again at the beginning of the month to see if I can figure out
>>what is going wrong.
>
>
> Just a guess, but it still sounds a bit like an aliases problem.
> Can you confirm that the aliases are working?
>

It looks like this is a bug with mailman.

I have done some more testing, and I have found that my list behaves the
  same way the mailman-users list behaves. If you go to:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users/

and at the bottom, where it says:

" To unsubscribe from Mailman-Users, get a password reminder, or change
your subscription options either enter your subscription email address:

... or select your entry from the subscribers list (see above). If you
leave the field blank, you will be prompted for your email address "

and enter your email address, the next page has a "Remind' button that
works fine. If you enter your list password on this same page and click
'Log in', the next page is where I am seeing the problem. If you go
there, you will notice the 'Email My Password to Me' and the 'Change My
Password' buttons are non-functional.




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From pug at pug.net  Sat Feb 28 17:00:25 2004
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:00:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Output from "cron" command/permission denied for
	'config.pk'
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402271334440.22648@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>;
	from dwsmith@well.ox.ac.uk on Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 01:46:24PM
	+0000
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402271334440.22648@morgan.well.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20040228100025.A12862@stardock.pug.net>

David W Smith (dwsmith at well.ox.ac.uk) said something that sounded like:
> I was wondering if anyone could shed light on why I'm getting the error
> message found below. I'm running mm 2.1.4 with exim 4.30 under Solaris 8
> Sparc. I have 43 mailing lists and this error occurs for only one of them.
> The permissions for 'config.pck' (and the other related files) are the
> same for all my mailing lists; 'config.pck' has permissions of 660.

Did you check that it was owned by the right user/group, as well as the
directory it was in? check_perm is generally a good helper in finding
information.

Ciao,

-- 
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System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
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Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From Meghan at localinfinities.com  Sat Feb 28 19:44:09 2004
From: Meghan at localinfinities.com (meghan@localinfinities.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:44:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe
Message-ID: <01eb01c3fe2a$da73f5a0$210110ac@MuckMonster>

I'm running a announcement only list.  I'd like to include an unsubscribe link in the footer, is there a direct way to do this?  So far I'm only able to direct them to the http://list.localinfinities.com/mailman/listinfo/localinfinities page that gives them too much information.

Thanks,
Meghan



From wizard at syntheticsw.com  Sun Feb 29 11:13:52 2004
From: wizard at syntheticsw.com (Torsten Giebl)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:13:52 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sw. all existing maillist hosts from one to another
	domain ?
Message-ID: <1132.217.185.100.93.1078049632.squirrel@217.185.100.93>

Hello !


I use Mailman for some time now
and never had any problems. Great work.

Now i want to change the Host Name of all my
MailingLists

from
www.synolution.com/mailman/listinfo/xyxyxy
to
lists.syntheticsw.com/mailman/listinfo/xyxyxy

Is that possible ?

I don?t want to use the synolution.com Domain anymore.


CU




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun Feb 29 12:40:43 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:40:43 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sw. all existing maillist hosts from one to
	another domain ?
In-Reply-To: <1132.217.185.100.93.1078049632.squirrel@217.185.100.93>
References: <1132.217.185.100.93.1078049632.squirrel@217.185.100.93>
Message-ID: <1BBC960C-6AAC-11D8-8B0E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 29 Feb 2004, at 10:13, Torsten Giebl wrote:

> Hello !
>
>
> I use Mailman for some time now
> and never had any problems. Great work.
>
> Now i want to change the Host Name of all my
> MailingLists
>
> from
> www.synolution.com/mailman/listinfo/xyxyxy
> to
> lists.syntheticsw.com/mailman/listinfo/xyxyxy
>
> Is that possible ?
>
Read the whole of this FA~~Q, it probably covers what you need to do:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

> I don?t want to use the synolution.com Domain anymore.
>
>
> CU
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From moga at multimedia.homelinux.org  Sun Feb 29 14:38:21 2004
From: moga at multimedia.homelinux.org (Christian Eichert)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:38:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need a hint - after changing from postfix to exim
 mailman does not work
Message-ID: <4041EB4D.5010600@multimedia.homelinux.org>

after changing from postfix to exim mailman does not work
debian 3 woody
mailman version 2.1.4

where should I begin ?

-- 
                                                           \|/
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  www     http://multimedia.homelinux.org             (   )   Oooo.
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                                                        \_)    ) /
                                                              (_/
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send."
  Jon Postel, August 6, 1943 - October 16, 1998




From moga at multimedia.homelinux.org  Sun Feb 29 14:49:25 2004
From: moga at multimedia.homelinux.org (Christian Eichert)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:49:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Try tweaking the mail server to run the script
	as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
	providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.
In-Reply-To: <403D504B.4060702@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <403D3614.6030209@multimedia.homelinux.org>
	<403D504B.4060702@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <4041EDE5.5080004@multimedia.homelinux.org>



Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>> I am using mailman debian woody
>>
>> mailman version is: 2.0.11-1woody8
> 
> Are you sure this version is right? current is 2.1.4
> 
>> postfix version is: 1.1.11-0.woody3
>>
>> I installed the postfix and the mailman from apt-get stable on a linux 
>> woody system.
>>
>> after I created the lists I run genaliases
>>
>> root:/usr/local/mailman/bin# ./genaliases
>> To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases 
>> (or equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly
>> running the `newaliases' program:
>>
>> I was surprised that genaliases did not create /data/aliases
> 
> 
> Have you edit your 
> ???
> 


You where right the version is 2.1.4


I changed to Exim ....

should I input into mm_cfg.py
MTA = 'Postfix' ?

-- 
                                                           \|/
         CE                                               (o o)
------------------------------------------------------oOO--U--OOo--
  Christian Eichert
  e-mail  moga at multimedia.homelinux.org               .oooO
  www     http://multimedia.homelinux.org             (   )   Oooo.
------------------------------------------------------\ (----(   )-
                                                        \_)    ) /
                                                              (_/
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send."
  Jon Postel, August 6, 1943 - October 16, 1998




From moga at multimedia.homelinux.org  Sun Feb 29 15:06:34 2004
From: moga at multimedia.homelinux.org (Christian Eichert)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:06:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Try tweaking the mail server to run the script
	as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
	providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.
In-Reply-To: <4041EDE5.5080004@multimedia.homelinux.org>
References: <403D3614.6030209@multimedia.homelinux.org>	<403D504B.4060702@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<4041EDE5.5080004@multimedia.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <4041F1EA.2090506@multimedia.homelinux.org>

I created a /data/aliases I gave it to mailman
I runed newaliases

In the Exim log now  I can read :

Neither the virtual director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid 
for local delivery of |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post 1984


what does it mean ?


Christian Eichert wrote:
> 
> 
> Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>> I am using mailman debian woody
>>> mailman version is: 2.0.11-1woody8
>>
>> Are you sure this version is right? current is 2.1.4
>>> postfix version is: 1.1.11-0.woody3
>>>
>>> I installed the postfix and the mailman from apt-get stable on a 
>>> linux woody system.
>>>
>>> after I created the lists I run genaliases
>>>
>>> root:/usr/local/mailman/bin# ./genaliases
>>> To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases 
>>> (or equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly
>>> running the `newaliases' program:
>>>
>>> I was surprised that genaliases did not create /data/aliases
>>
>> Have you edit your ???
> You where right the version is 2.1.4
> 
> I changed to Exim ....
> 
> should I input into mm_cfg.py
> MTA = 'Postfix' ?
> 

-- 
                                                           \|/
         CE                                               (o o)
------------------------------------------------------oOO--U--OOo--
  Christian Eichert
  e-mail  moga at multimedia.homelinux.org               .oooO
  www     http://multimedia.homelinux.org             (   )   Oooo.
------------------------------------------------------\ (----(   )-
                                                        \_)    ) /
                                                              (_/
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send."
  Jon Postel, August 6, 1943 - October 16, 1998




From remko at elvandar.org  Sun Feb 29 15:20:31 2004
From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:20:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need a hint - after changing from postfix to
	eximmailman does not work
In-Reply-To: <20040229133237.499C520@mail.elvandar.org>
Message-ID: <20040229142036.12AA92B4DA4@mail.evilcoder.org>

You should read the README.EXIM file,
and carefully read your logs and so on.

If you require further help, i suggest you post some more information
like errors you perhaps get, errors in the logs directory from mailman
itself
etc

Thanks

Cheers

--

Kind regards,

Remko Lodder
Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the
hackerscene

mrtg.grunn.org Dutch mirror of MRTG

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens Christian
Eichert
Verzonden: zondag 29 februari 2004 14:38
Aan: mailman-users at python.org
Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] need a hint - after changing from postfix to
eximmailman does not work


after changing from postfix to exim mailman does not work
debian 3 woody
mailman version 2.1.4

where should I begin ?

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From QSL at softhome.net  Sun Feb 29 16:06:22 2004
From: QSL at softhome.net (Tim)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:06:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Corrupt Subscriber Addresses
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040229094404.033926b8@63.238.179.60>


I have several lists running on v2.0.8 on a linux box that have members listed as 'None' on the membership screen but they seem to have addresses attached to them (not the same address in any case).  

None found in:
     wsvhf
     wun
     icom
     ham-news
     lafayette
     elecraft
     kenwood
     r-390
     swltalk
     dl-qrp-ag
     dx4win
     cw

I assume that sometime over the several years we have been using Mailman, their subscriber info has become corrupt (even though Mailman reports no problems with the config.db file).  

Every attempt (from within Mailman and from the command line) I have tried fails to remove these entries using the address that appears when you mouse over the entry "None" on the member page saying that the address is not subscribed.  Trying to remove "None" fails as does using 'sync_members' and leaving out the problem address.

The address shows up ok in a 'list_members' dump, although it does appear that there is no password attached to the address when doing a 'get_users_passwd' listing.

I would appreciate any info anyone can pass on to help me with this.


Tim
System Admin
QTH.NET




From mauriciolee at cps.softex.br  Fri Feb 27 15:50:50 2004
From: mauriciolee at cps.softex.br (Mauricio Lee)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:50:50 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <00f001c3fd41$23a4cb90$eca188c8@suporte>

Hi everybody !
I'm Mauricio from Brazil and I use the mailman to create mailling list.
But I have a little problem. I have created a lot of mail list , but in this moment I forgot the password of one of them.
How can I change the password of this list ?
Ps. I don't have the password of this list , so I need to change. How can I do that ?

So , I'm waiting for answers.

Best Regards.
-- 

Maur?cio Lee 

Linux User #288649 




From mike at hpc.me.utexas.edu  Fri Feb 27 19:21:54 2004
From: mike at hpc.me.utexas.edu (michael stone)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:21:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sorting users by name.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0402271218370.25836-100000@hpc.me.utexas.edu>

Is there an easy way to sort users on the membership management page by name,
rather than email address?

If not, could someone point me to where/how the sorting takes place?  I have
python book in hand...

Thanks,
--
Michael Stone
Linux / High Performance Computing Administrator

The University of Texas at Austin
Mechanical Engineering Department
ETC 3.130     ph: 512.471.5951
mike at hpc.me.utexas.edu

http://hpc.me.utexas.edu




From jwilkins at tampabay.rr.com  Sat Feb 28 03:28:06 2004
From: jwilkins at tampabay.rr.com (Joshua Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:28:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exporting a list
Message-ID: <000001c3fda2$7faed780$45be2041@deep>

How do I export a list out of mailman. I looked at your faqs and you had
the question but no answer. 

 

Please help,

 

 

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From nick at nickgawronski.com  Sat Feb 28 08:02:42 2004
From: nick at nickgawronski.com (Nick Gawronski)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:02:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman under windows xp professional
Message-ID: <000501c3fdc8$dff81590$9fdd4541@chihuahuzgmk6c>

Hi, I have been using mailman on my linux system for a while but am
wondering if I get the windows python program, and the apache server is
there a version of mailman that will run on a windows nt based system?  bye
My web page is at http://www.nickgawronski.com
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From alexia at musicgorilla.com  Sat Feb 28 22:33:35 2004
From: alexia at musicgorilla.com (ALexia Helfand)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:33:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing program
Message-ID: <005301c3fe42$88cb0910$230110ac@Alexias>

Hi,
I'm looking for a program that will help me organize my mailings and I'm
wondering if Mailman is the answer. I need to be able to add new people
to my lists, have a tracking system so that I know how many people who
received the email actually read it, organize things so that I can send
one email to lots of people even though my mail server only allows me to
send to 45 people at a time.
Please let me know if Mailman is the answer. Also, would it have to be
installed on my host server, or could it be installed on my PC? If
mailman is not what I am looking for, pointing me in the right direction
would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Alexia
 
 


From rstracten at yahoo.com.br  Sun Feb 29 10:47:23 2004
From: rstracten at yahoo.com.br (Regis)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 06:47:23 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman server
Message-ID: <000d01c3fea9$90741280$8f32a8c0@anka>

Hello,

I?m looking for a host service for Mailman.
Could you recomend one with Mailman already installed?

Thanks,
R?gis

From WFAllan at aol.com  Sun Feb 29 18:29:16 2004
From: WFAllan at aol.com (WFAllan at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:29:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
Message-ID: <34BD52EC.1473C066.0018F4D9@aol.com>

Does Mailmail allow Word, Excel & pdf documents as attachments?

Thanks,

Bill Allan

p.s.  I'm on the 6th floor of 59 Temple Place.



From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Sun Feb 29 19:11:57 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:11:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman server
References: <000d01c3fea9$90741280$8f32a8c0@anka>
Message-ID: <002101c3feef$85039830$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>

http://www.page-zone.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Regis" <rstracten at yahoo.com.br>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 4:47 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman server


Hello,

I?m looking for a host service for Mailman.
Could you recomend one with Mailman already installed?

Thanks,
R?gis
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From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Sun Feb 29 19:13:01 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:13:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
Message-ID: <002e01c3feef$aad5c100$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>

How do I make a MailMan list into an announce-only list?

Thanks,
Mike

From remko at elvandar.org  Sun Feb 29 19:18:21 2004
From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:18:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
In-Reply-To: <20040229181600.ADE0D1C@mail.elvandar.org>
Message-ID: <20040229181826.424232B4DA7@mail.evilcoder.org>

only allow posts from certain persons, and moderate the rest,

Checkout the privacy options, sender filters.
http://<yourhost>/mailman/admin/<list>/privacy/sender

Cheers


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Kind regards,

Remko Lodder
Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the
hackerscene

mrtg.grunn.org Dutch mirror of MRTG

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Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only


How do I make a MailMan list into an announce-only list?

Thanks,
Mike
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From rfk at istop.com  Sun Feb 29 20:44:46 2004
From: rfk at istop.com (Robert F. Kennedy)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:44:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
In-Reply-To: <20040229181826.424232B4DA7@mail.evilcoder.org>
Message-ID: <01a701c3fefc$7c2d40a0$1902a8c0@coilnetworks.com>

You might also want to set Mailman to reject (send a automated notice to
the sender) the email or simple discard the email. There is a setting in
Mailman where you can set everyone on your list to Moderated.

Best,
Robert

Robert F. Kennedy
Toronto

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+rfk=istop.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+rfk=istop.com at python.org] On Behalf Of
Remko Lodder
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:18 PM
To: Mike Phillips; Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only


only allow posts from certain persons, and moderate the rest,

Checkout the privacy options, sender filters.
http://<yourhost>/mailman/admin/<list>/privacy/sender

Cheers


--

Kind regards,

Remko Lodder
Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the
hackerscene

mrtg.grunn.org Dutch mirror of MRTG

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Verzonden: zondag 29 februari 2004 19:13
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Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only


How do I make a MailMan list into an announce-only list?

Thanks,
Mike
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From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Sun Feb 29 21:56:21 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:56:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
References: <20040229181826.424232B4DA7@mail.evilcoder.org>
Message-ID: <002201c3ff06$7c171500$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>

I don't think I can get to the send filters below since I don't have root
access to my server.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Remko Lodder" <remko at elvandar.org>
To: "Mike Phillips" <mmlist at mikephillips.com>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only


> only allow posts from certain persons, and moderate the rest,
>
> Checkout the privacy options, sender filters.
> http://<yourhost>/mailman/admin/<list>/privacy/sender
>
> Cheers
>
>
> --
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Remko Lodder
> Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
> www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the
> hackerscene
>
> mrtg.grunn.org Dutch mirror of MRTG
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens Mike Phillips
> Verzonden: zondag 29 februari 2004 19:13
> Aan: Mailman-Users at python.org
> Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
>
>
> How do I make a MailMan list into an announce-only list?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Sun Feb 29 21:56:38 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:56:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
References: <01a701c3fefc$7c2d40a0$1902a8c0@coilnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c3ff06$865f3920$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>

Thanks

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert F. Kennedy" <rfk at istop.com>
To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only


> You might also want to set Mailman to reject (send a automated notice to
> the sender) the email or simple discard the email. There is a setting in
> Mailman where you can set everyone on your list to Moderated.
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
> Robert F. Kennedy
> Toronto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+rfk=istop.com at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+rfk=istop.com at python.org] On Behalf Of
> Remko Lodder
> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:18 PM
> To: Mike Phillips; Mailman-Users at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
>
>
> only allow posts from certain persons, and moderate the rest,
>
> Checkout the privacy options, sender filters.
> http://<yourhost>/mailman/admin/<list>/privacy/sender
>
> Cheers
>
>
> --
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Remko Lodder
> Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
> www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the
> hackerscene
>
> mrtg.grunn.org Dutch mirror of MRTG
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens Mike Phillips
> Verzonden: zondag 29 februari 2004 19:13
> Aan: Mailman-Users at python.org
> Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
>
>
> How do I make a MailMan list into an announce-only list?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun Feb 29 21:57:57 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:57:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing program
In-Reply-To: <005301c3fe42$88cb0910$230110ac@Alexias>
References: <005301c3fe42$88cb0910$230110ac@Alexias>
Message-ID: <p06002004bc6801b9cd29@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:33 PM -0600 2004/02/28, ALexia Helfand wrote:

>  I'm looking for a program that will help me organize my mailings and I'm
>  wondering if Mailman is the answer.

	Don't know.  Let's take a look at your requirements.

>                                      I need to be able to add new people
>  to my lists,

	Yup.

>               have a tracking system so that I know how many people who
>  received the email actually read it,

	There is no mail system on the planet that will actually let you 
do this.  Send everyone to a web server where they are forced to log 
in, and you can track where they go.  Even if they "view" a page, you 
can't be sure that they actually read anything on it.

>                                       organize things so that I can send
>  one email to lots of people even though my mail server only allows me to
>  send to 45 people at a time.

	Not a problem.

>  Please let me know if Mailman is the answer. Also, would it have to be
>  installed on my host server,

	Depending on what they're running, this may not be a problem.

>                               or could it be installed on my PC?

	Depending on what your OS is, it could run on your PC.

>                                                                  If
>  mailman is not what I am looking for, pointing me in the right direction
>  would be greatly appreciated.

	For handling reasonable sized mailing lists, I don't know of any 
better freely available tool than Mailman.  There are commercial 
tools which may be better, but they cost money.

	But I don't see any way that any program on Earth can help you 
around this problem of being able to have a guarantee that you know 
exactly how many people received your message, and of them how many 
actually read it.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun Feb 29 21:58:49 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:58:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman server
In-Reply-To: <000d01c3fea9$90741280$8f32a8c0@anka>
References: <000d01c3fea9$90741280$8f32a8c0@anka>
Message-ID: <p06002005bc6802fd1932@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:47 AM -0300 2004/02/29, Regis wrote:

>  I?m looking for a host service for Mailman.
>  Could you recomend one with Mailman already installed?

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.017.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun Feb 29 22:00:00 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:00:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
In-Reply-To: <34BD52EC.1473C066.0018F4D9@aol.com>
References: <34BD52EC.1473C066.0018F4D9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06002006bc68032d2475@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:29 PM -0500 2004/02/29, WFAllan at aol.com wrote:

>  Does Mailmail allow Word, Excel & pdf documents as attachments?

	Attachments are attachments.  They can either be rejected, 
stripped, or allowed, depending on how you configure your server.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun Feb 29 22:01:15 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:01:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
In-Reply-To: <002e01c3feef$aad5c100$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
References: <002e01c3feef$aad5c100$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
Message-ID: <p06002007bc6803943c85@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:13 PM -0500 2004/02/29, Mike Phillips wrote:

>  How do I make a MailMan list into an announce-only list?

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From davidboothe at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 29 22:54:53 2004
From: davidboothe at yahoo.com (David A Boothe)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:54:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
In-Reply-To: <002e01c3feef$aad5c100$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
Message-ID: <20040229215453.19133.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com>


 pain inthe butt to make MM a pure announce only list.  you have to disable MANY things to get rid of all the ways around it by subscribers.  technically all you need to do is make all users mod or whatever it is called but that leaves a lot of things still open.  I woudl love to see a way to set up MM so that NONE of the web based interfaces are installed at all.

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From drmanek at vsnl.com  Fri Feb 27 16:22:57 2004
From: drmanek at vsnl.com (kishore manek)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:52:57 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman server
References: <000d01c3fea9$90741280$8f32a8c0@anka>
Message-ID: <000601c3fd45$954c9260$2b09010a@worldnet>

To,
    The Mailman Users. This is a personal request to kindly cancel my name
from the mailman users list. I have tried to unsubscribe from the site but
to no avail. I would kindly request in earnestness to please comply by my
request. Please let me know at the earliest about the result. Please!!!!!
Please !!!!! UNSUBSCRIBE.