commands the subscribe command doesn't work.. Is it possible to change teh formatting?? If so how?? Thanks Stephen From hemi at itexas.net Mon Sep 15 16:40:16 2003 From: hemi at itexas.net (Terry Cowan) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:40:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] external archivers and replies Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030915093715.042abc40@metalshapers.org> Does anyone in this group use external archivers and/or can you suggest an external archiver to use? Also, I notice that, unlike most emails lists -- if you hit reply on this list, the message is directed to the sender instead of the group. Is this easily changed so that replies go to the list instead of the sender? Terry Cowan From fernando at montana.inf.br Mon Sep 15 14:52:22 2003 From: fernando at montana.inf.br (Fernando Ribeiro) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:52:22 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix+ldap+mailman Message-ID: <20030915155222.355AB73FD1@mail.montana.inf.br> Hello all, I'm using postfix+ldap+mailman, this work with virtual users. I'm creating aliases in the /etc/postfix/aliases e running newaliases. But aliases don't work. I'm using: RedHat9, postfix-2.0.14, mailman-2.1.1, openldap-2.0.27-8 [root at mail pacotes]# postconf | grep -i alias alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases allow_mail_to_commands = alias,forward allow_mail_to_files = alias,forward expand_owner_alias = no local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases proxy_read_maps = $local_recipient_maps $mydestination $virtual_alias_maps $virtual_alias_domains $virtual_mailbox_maps $virtual_mailbox_domains $relay_recipient_maps $relay_domains $canonical_maps $sender_canonical_maps $recipient_canonical_maps $relocated_maps $transport_maps $mynetworks unknown_virtual_alias_reject_code = 550 virtual_alias_domains = $virtual_alias_maps virtual_alias_maps = $virtual_maps [root at mail pacotes]# thanks very much. -- Atenciosamente Fernando Ribeiro ________________________________________________ Montana From k at eboy.com Mon Sep 15 18:07:24 2003 From: k at eboy.com (Kai Vermehr) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:07:24 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] run Mailman with FTP/HTTP access only? Message-ID: Is it possible to install and run Mailman on our "shared web host" (Verio)? It can't be accessed by Telnet -- only by FTP and HTTP. The whole installation seems to rely on a Telnet connection ... thanks! 'K:) -- Kai Vermehr | eBoy http://www.eboy.com From tag at cs.utah.edu Mon Sep 15 18:22:57 2003 From: tag at cs.utah.edu (Todd Green) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:22:57 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.1 not taking actions (subscribe) Message-ID: <02a701c37ba5$9fdc2190$86fb659b@apex> We've had an on and off again problem with mailman not actually performing the actions it says it is doing. The main example is subscribing to a list. You can do the actions via the web or email interface and you'll get an email confirmation that you are subscribed, but if you do a 'list_members' for the list (or 'dumpdb') you are not on the list. Server is Solaris9 using postfix as the MTA. I've compared the perms, dumpdb's of broken and working lists and there are no differences. Here's the kicker. If I manually "add_member" anyone to a list, afterwards the web and email interfaces for that list start working again. dumpdb shows no difference on the database from before and after dumps (except for the newly subscribed addresses of course.) check_db turns up nothing. Nothing shows up in the error, etc. logs. You'll just see the subscribe log entries: Sep 14 20:49:40 2003 (27454) cs3510-chat: pending tag at cs.utah.edu 155.101.251.134 Sep 14 20:49:59 2003 (27456) cs3510-chat: new "tag at cs.utah.edu" <> I do see data/pending.pck get updated with the conf code etc., it is just that the actual lists/list/config.pck never gets the entry, despite mailman sending out the confirmation. This is driving us nuts. Any help would be appreciated, Todd From hemi at itexas.net Sun Sep 14 17:05:41 2003 From: hemi at itexas.net (Terry Cowan) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:05:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how I install In-Reply-To: <1063546963.21437.13.camel@mauve.and> References: <001701c37a8d$c4fa9600$2f479dca@arvind> <001701c37a8d$c4fa9600$2f479dca@arvind> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030914092519.057cf380@pop3.itexas.net> At 08:42 AM 9/14/03 -0500, you wrote: >I just checked the mailman package when I put Mandrake Linux on my >system. You can, on a mandrake box, just do: >Daniel J McDonald, CCIE #2495 >Austin Network Design >http://www.austinnetworkdesign.com Daniel, I see you are a fellow Texan. I used to own the Graham Dorian Auction Company (computer liquidations) in Dallas. It's nice to see a fellow Texan here. I currently have a bunch of groups on Yahoo that I hope to convert to Mailman and like Arvinda, I don't have a clue where to begin. I also understand that I will need an external archiver to handle the archving I want to do. I want my archived messages first by major topics? for example -- there will be a biker group. I would want the archive of all the messages broken down first my topics similar to the ones below. In other words -- if you click on Chassis Design-- every single post from day one on the topic of Chassis design will fall here -- and then can be sorted by subject line, date. or author. Such as: Chassis design Chassis fabrication Engine building Wiring Painting Tires Regulations Hot Biker Chicks All of my lists are how-to related and no one wants to dig back through 100,000 posts by the date looking for subjects. I realize you can do a search for a particular subject -- but it would be a lot cleaner if we could do it this way. Does anyone have any suggestions for a way to do the archiving? I would also like for the archives to look more like an online forum -- something like this: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/index.php How difficult is it to get mailman into a form like vbulletin? Or am I just asking for too much? And BTW, are there any antique car or antique aircraft guys out there who would want to help set up related groups? Thanks, Terry Cowan http://www.metalshapers.org/ From bysmall at miyazaki-catv.ne.jp Mon Sep 15 03:22:20 2003 From: bysmall at miyazaki-catv.ne.jp (Brian Small) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:22:20 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] DeadLink Japanese contact Message-ID: <20030915101946.8EEE.BYSMALL@miyazaki-catv.ne.jp> Hello, The link for Tokio Kikuchi is dead. I did a search but other links connected to his mailing list posts aren't working either. > Japanese > Tokio Kikuchi maintains the Japanized Mailman Page and also >runs a mailing list for Japanese Mailman users, for which the archives >are publically available. http://mm.tkikuchi.net/ I found a Tokio Kikuchi but I think he was a politician unconnected to Python or mailman in anyway. Brian Small -- Brian Small http://www.kayatsushin.org/ http://www.miyazaki-catv.ne.jp/~bysmall http://www.mnet.ne.jp/~bjsmall/sub1.htm http://www.mnet.ne.jp/~bjsmall/sub2.htm From heim at sip.medizin.uni-ulm.de Mon Sep 15 17:32:54 2003 From: heim at sip.medizin.uni-ulm.de (Heim, Stefan, Dipl.-ing.) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:32:54 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachements Message-ID: <3F65DBA6.8D9C652C@sip.medizin.uni-ulm.de> Hello, Is it possible to see the contents of the Attachements bevor the mail is approved to delivary (moderated list) ? We use mailman v. 2.1.1 Thanks! -- Stefan Heim Sektion Informatik i.d. Psychotherapie Am Hochstr?? 8 89081 Ulm/Germany Tel: +49-731-50025702 Fax: +49-731-50025662 From paul at thcwd.com Mon Sep 15 18:50:44 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:50:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: external archivers and replies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030915114415.074aa858@mail.thcwd.com> Terry Cowan wrote: >Does anyone in this group use external archivers and/or can you suggest an >external archiver to use? I've been happy with the Pipermail archives that come bundled with Mailman. Others use MHonArc - see >Also, I notice that, unlike most emails lists -- if you hit reply on this >list, the message is directed to the sender instead of the group. I have wondered why this is the default, it seems to me that to the list would be the most commonly desired action. >Is this >easily changed so that replies go to the list instead of the sender? Yes, from the General Options Admin page. Find "Where are replies to list messages directed?" and set it for "This list". <>< Paul From paul at thcwd.com Mon Sep 15 19:05:40 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:05:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How do I Change Formatting?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030915114341.074a6518@mail.thcwd.com> Krapmeister wrote: >Can anyone tell me how to change the text formatting of my information >page for my mailman list? > >Whenever I change fonts simply by using commands or using style >sheets and

commands the subscribe command doesn't work.. > >Is it possible to change teh formatting?? If so how?? CSS do not work on Mailman pages, although I think someone has a patch that will allow it. Check the archives. I have made limited used font statements without a problem, but not on the information page. The tags on that page insert text and forms, and putting them within a font statement may crash them, I don't know. Or maybe it will work as long as you nest them correctly. But even if it does not crash the form, it may well not affect the text that is generated by the tags. I suppose you could hack the code to change the tags, but that's getting pretty deep. <>< Paul ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: staven.bruce at valleyair.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/staven.bruce%40valleyai r.org From ismgr at nahu.org Mon Sep 15 20:00:51 2003 From: ismgr at nahu.org (Alan Byrd) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:00:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Paid Consultand needed Message-ID: <007901c37bb3$508d5d30$08b11642@nahu.net> I am in search of some "paid" technical support for mailman 2.x running on a freebsd server. Please contact me @ abyrd at nahu.org phone is 703-276-3814 or cell phone 703-919-5571 Thanks. C. Alan Byrd Manager of Information Systems National Association of Health Underwriters 2000 N. 14th Street Suite 450 Arlington, VA 22201 Office 703-276-3814 From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Sep 15 20:38:06 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 15 Sep 2003 14:38:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] run Mailman with FTP/HTTP access only? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063651086.2600.5.camel@Anncons4> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 12:07, Kai Vermehr wrote: > Is it possible to install and run Mailman on our "shared web host" (Verio)? > It can't be accessed by Telnet -- only by FTP and HTTP. > > The whole installation seems to rely on a Telnet connection ... > > thanks! 'K:) Mailman really should be installed by the system administrator. From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Sep 15 20:52:45 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 15 Sep 2003 14:52:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.1 not taking actions (subscribe) In-Reply-To: <02a701c37ba5$9fdc2190$86fb659b@apex> References: <02a701c37ba5$9fdc2190$86fb659b@apex> Message-ID: <1063651965.2600.21.camel@Anncons4> Make sure you don't have a second mailman install on your box that you are accidentally using. I had a client with a similar problem and it was from mixing up their test install and their production install. Good luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 12:22, Todd Green wrote: > We've had an on and off again problem with mailman not actually performing > the actions it says it is doing. The main example is subscribing to a list. > You can do the actions via the web or email interface and you'll get an > email confirmation that you are subscribed, but if you do a 'list_members' > for the list (or 'dumpdb') you are not on the list. Server is Solaris9 > using postfix as the MTA. > > I've compared the perms, dumpdb's of broken and working lists and there are > no differences. Here's the kicker. If I manually "add_member" anyone to a > list, afterwards the web and email interfaces for that list start working > again. dumpdb shows no difference on the database from before and after > dumps (except for the newly subscribed addresses of course.) check_db turns > up nothing. > > Nothing shows up in the error, etc. logs. You'll just see the subscribe log > entries: > > Sep 14 20:49:40 2003 (27454) cs3510-chat: pending tag at cs.utah.edu > 155.101.251.134 > Sep 14 20:49:59 2003 (27456) cs3510-chat: new "tag at cs.utah.edu" <> > > I do see data/pending.pck get updated with the conf code etc., it is just > that the actual lists/list/config.pck never gets the entry, despite mailman > sending out the confirmation. > > This is driving us nuts. Any help would be appreciated, > Todd > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From k at eboy.com Mon Sep 15 21:24:13 2003 From: k at eboy.com (Kai Vermehr) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:24:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] run Mailman with FTP/HTTP access only? In-Reply-To: <1063651086.2600.5.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: Yes ... but is it to install Mailman not having to use telnet? on 15.09.2003 20:38 Uhr, Jon Carnes at jonc at nc.rr.com wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 12:07, Kai Vermehr wrote: >> Is it possible to install and run Mailman on our "shared web host" (Verio)? >> It can't be accessed by Telnet -- only by FTP and HTTP. >> >> The whole installation seems to rely on a Telnet connection ... >> >> thanks! 'K:) > > Mailman really should be installed by the system administrator. > -- Kai Vermehr | eBoy http://www.eboy.com From phessler at theapt.org Mon Sep 15 21:29:23 2003 From: phessler at theapt.org (Peter Hessler) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:29:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] run Mailman with FTP/HTTP access only? In-Reply-To: References: <1063651086.2600.5.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <20030915192923.GA7880@theapt.org> Yes. I installed Mailman via ssh. No telenet was involved. On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 09:24:13PM +0200, Kai Vermehr wrote: :Yes ... but is it to install Mailman not having to use telnet? From k at eboy.com Mon Sep 15 21:48:57 2003 From: k at eboy.com (Kai Vermehr) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:48:57 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] run Mailman with FTP/HTTP access only? In-Reply-To: <20030915192923.GA7880@theapt.org> Message-ID: cool ... but what about configuring as much as necessary on a local machine and uploading it via FTP? would that work? on 15.09.2003 21:29 Uhr, Peter Hessler at phessler at theapt.org wrote: > Yes. I installed Mailman via ssh. No telenet was involved. > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 09:24:13PM +0200, Kai Vermehr wrote: > :Yes ... but is it to install Mailman not having to use telnet? > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: k at eboy.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/k%40eboy.com -- Kai Vermehr | eBoy http://www.eboy.com From kachel at muenster.de Mon Sep 15 22:18:02 2003 From: kachel at muenster.de (Markus Kachel) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:18:02 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] run Mailman with FTP/HTTP access only? In-Reply-To: References: <20030915192923.GA7880@theapt.org> Message-ID: <17226867273.20030915221802@muenster.de> Hello Kai, On Monday, September 15, 2003, You wrote to subject: [Mailman-Users] run Mailman with FTP/HTTP access only? > cool ... but what about configuring as much as necessary on a local machine > and uploading it via FTP? would that work? Don't think so. The mail system mu? be configured to and that cannot be done without telnet or ssh access to the server. Without configuring the mail transport agent no mail will get to mailman to be resent to all members of the list. So you should ask your webspace provider if he installs mailman and sets up a list for you. Bye Markus -- E-Mail: kachel at muenster.de Homepage: http://www.kachelonline.de From jmhayes at speakeasy.net Mon Sep 15 22:42:28 2003 From: jmhayes at speakeasy.net (Jordan Hayes) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:42:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] --program-prefix Message-ID: <005201c37bc9$e11af8b0$1048a8c0@rupt> Is this supported in 2.1.2 ...? I'm trying to have two separate installations on the same machine, and I need one of them to have a different name so that Sendmail's smrsh doesn't get confused ... can I just change the name of the binary from mailman to something else? /jordan From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Sep 15 22:42:49 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 15 Sep 2003 16:42:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] run Mailman with FTP/HTTP access only? In-Reply-To: <17226867273.20030915221802@muenster.de> References: <20030915192923.GA7880@theapt.org> <17226867273.20030915221802@muenster.de> Message-ID: <1063658569.2600.50.camel@Anncons4> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 16:18, Markus Kachel wrote: > Hello Kai, > > On Monday, September 15, 2003, You wrote to subject: [Mailman-Users] run Mailman with FTP/HTTP access only? > > > cool ... but what about configuring as much as necessary on a local machine > > and uploading it via FTP? would that work? > > Don't think so. The mail system mu? be configured to and that cannot be done > without telnet or ssh access to the server. Without configuring the mail > transport agent no mail will get to mailman to be resent to all members of > the list. > So you should ask your webspace provider if he installs mailman and sets up > a list for you. > > Bye > Markus For all practical purposes, Markus is absolutely right. However if you had a real hankering for pain, and your system allowed you to setup some aliases for personal use, plus you had personal web-pages that allowed you run personal CGI's, then you could get it to run. But why bother? You could get the same thing done with much less trouble by simply hosting your own box and setting Mailman up the way that God and Barry intended (as the system administrator). Good Luck. From webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org Mon Sep 15 22:46:29 2003 From: webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org (Jeff D) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] run Mailman with FTP/HTTP access only? In-Reply-To: <20030915192923.GA7880@theapt.org> References: <1063651086.2600.5.camel@Anncons4> <20030915192923.GA7880@theapt.org> Message-ID: <21791.161.114.64.72.1063658789.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org> Peter Hessler said: > Yes. I installed Mailman via ssh. No telenet was involved. > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 09:24:13PM +0200, Kai Vermehr wrote: > :Yes ... but is it to install Mailman not having to use > telnet? > That is still a command line "shell" interface, which is what Kai really meant (or should have anyway). In my view, it really is next to impossible to install Mailman (as distributed ) without command line access and "root" privs. There are some hosting companies that give Mailman access via CPANEL and such though, where they set it up for you. Jeff D From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 16 00:39:50 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 15 Sep 2003 18:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] --program-prefix In-Reply-To: <005201c37bc9$e11af8b0$1048a8c0@rupt> References: <005201c37bc9$e11af8b0$1048a8c0@rupt> Message-ID: <1063665590.2600.58.camel@Anncons4> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 16:42, Jordan Hayes wrote: > Is this supported in 2.1.2 ...? > > I'm trying to have two separate installations on the same machine, and I > need one of them to have a different name so that Sendmail's smrsh > doesn't get confused ... can I just change the name of the binary from > mailman to something else? > > /jordan > This shouldn't be a problem at all. You'll have to make sure the aliases for the second install use the "wrapper" designated for the second install, but that's fairly trivial. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From dmd at 3e.org Tue Sep 16 01:44:54 2003 From: dmd at 3e.org (Daniel Drucker) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:44:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper returning '6' ... what does this mean? Message-ID: <9B34B900-E7D6-11D7-883C-000A959A948A@3e.org> I am trying to use exim with mailman. I've followed the directions at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-November/ 024041.html , but changing MAILMAN_WRAP=/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper to MAILMAN_WRAP=/var/mailman/mail/mailman and changing the various instances of config.db to config.pck. When mail is passed to mailman, I get the following in my /var/spool/exim/log/mainlog: 2003-09-15 23:40:19 19z2x8-0005cR-Ub ** thingies at 3e.org R=list_request_router T=list_request_transport: Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 6 from command: /var/mailman/mail/mailman What does the return value '6' mean? Daniel Drucker From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Sep 16 01:45:02 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:45:02 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] DeadLink Japanese contact In-Reply-To: <20030915101946.8EEE.BYSMALL@miyazaki-catv.ne.jp> References: <20030915101946.8EEE.BYSMALL@miyazaki-catv.ne.jp> Message-ID: <3F664EFE.50809@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, Brian Small wrote: > Hello, > The link for Tokio Kikuchi is dead. I did > a search but other links connected to his mailing > list posts aren't working either. > > >>Japanese >>Tokio Kikuchi maintains the Japanized Mailman Page and also >>runs a mailing list for Japanese Mailman users, for which the archives >>are publically available. > > http://mm.tkikuchi.net/ > Here I am! The site was down for about 9 hours because of power maintenance of our campus. Sorry for the inconvenience. > I found a Tokio Kikuchi but I think he was a politician > unconnected to Python or mailman in anyway. Hmm, you googled? He is the second. I am on the top. :^) -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From ricardo at americasnet.com Tue Sep 16 01:47:44 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:47:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please help... Message-ID: <3f664fa0.1b6.39c3.1849492014@mail.americasnet.com> Hi, I posted a question earlier today about how to convert/import existing mailing lists into mailman... and also about using courier mta... can someone help me out? ============================================================================ I use the courier mta and was wondering if there are any existing scripts to adapt to mailman to work with courier? Can I create new lists off the web interface and have it automatically work with courier? Also, how do I "port" users from other lists into mailman? I have a number of existing mailing lists that I wanted to move over to mailman. Can I simply import a file containing member addresses? Thanks Ricardo From merle.reine at lindows.com Tue Sep 16 01:54:15 2003 From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:54:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up and restoring Mailman Message-ID: Anyone have any pointers? The script I tried did not work. I backed up the following directories/files: #cron jobs cp -Rf --preserve /etc/cron.d/mailman $temp/cron cp -Rf --preserve /etc/cron.d/groupware-notification $temp/cron # Mailman Files cp -Rf --preserve /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py $temp/mailman cp -Rf --preserve /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py $temp/mailman # Mailman dir cp -Rf --preserve /var/lib/mailman/ $temp/mailman I installed mailman on a new machine 2.1.1-91 and all is fine. I restored the directories/files above and if I go to localhost/mailman/listinfo it does not list the mailing lists even though they are setup. However, if I go to the specific url for each list, i.e. localhost/mailman/listinfo/staff , the list shows. And, yes, I checked and they are all set to be viewable on the listinfo page. Since I copied all the settings, they should be the same as on the original system. In essense, How the heck do you backup and restore Mailman with all the lists/mail/archives? -- Merle Reine Lindows.com IT Department From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 16 02:14:30 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 15 Sep 2003 20:14:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please help... In-Reply-To: <3f664fa0.1b6.39c3.1849492014@mail.americasnet.com> References: <3f664fa0.1b6.39c3.1849492014@mail.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <1063671269.2600.76.camel@Anncons4> If no one is willing to hold your hand on this, then you might want to look through the archives of the list. This has been discussed in detail over the years here. Some folks have gotten it to work - though the automation part is totally up to you. If nothing else, the archives will point out the folks that have worked on this problem in the past, which should give you a touch-stone of folks to email directly. On a lark, I just did a quick search on the Courier-users list and found a few nice threads from folks who installed Mailman with Courier and have written some nice scripts to automate the list creations... http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=6037217 Enjoy. > Hi, > > I posted a question earlier today about how to > convert/import existing mailing lists into mailman... and > also about using courier mta... can someone help me out? > > ============================================================================ > > I use the courier mta and was wondering if there are any > existing scripts to adapt to mailman to work with courier? > > Can I create new lists off the web interface and have it > automatically work with courier? > > Also, how do I "port" users from other lists into mailman? I > have a number of existing mailing lists that I wanted to > move over to mailman. Can I simply import a file containing > member addresses? > > Thanks > Ricardo > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From paul at thcwd.com Tue Sep 16 03:50:14 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:50:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how I install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030915202019.0717a430@mail.thcwd.com> fellow Texan Terry Cowan wrote: >I currently have a bunch of groups on Yahoo that I hope to convert to >Mailman and like Arvinda, I don't have a clue where to begin. First make sure Mailman is going to do what you want/need. It's great for e-lists, but there is no posting from the archives. I've been working for months on an add on for that, and I'm close, but it's going to be one big, ugly hack. >I would also like for the archives to look more like an online forum -- >something like this: >http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/index.php > >How difficult is it to get mailman into a form like vbulletin? Or am I just >asking for too much? There is a group working on an integration of Mailman and phpBB, but they have been stuck at a private beta since March. See for more. <>< Paul From webmaster at ardac.org Tue Sep 16 06:28:55 2003 From: webmaster at ardac.org (webmaster at ardac.org) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] new install/upgrade issues, automatic rejection of emails from list members Message-ID: <20030915212855.25226.h002.c007.wm@mail.ardac.org.criticalpath.net> hi, I just upgraded from 2.0.13 -> 2.1.2 and am having issues. I moved my lists over and they don't work. so i decided just to completely recreate a list from scratch adding all of the members via mass subscription. now when i send a message to the list it automatically rejects the message, even from list members. i don't really understand what is going wrong. thanks dre From anto at arc.itb.ac.id Tue Sep 16 06:50:29 2003 From: anto at arc.itb.ac.id (Nugroho Pratomo Ariyanto) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:50:29 +0700 (WIT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] just testing Message-ID: I am sorry, this is just testing only. Please ignore this. -anto- From srb at umich.edu Tue Sep 16 14:29:45 2003 From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:29:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please help... In-Reply-To: <3f664fa0.1b6.39c3.1849492014@mail.americasnet.com> References: <3f664fa0.1b6.39c3.1849492014@mail.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <2147483647.1063700985@srb.icpsr.umich.edu> --On Monday, September 15, 2003 4:47 PM -0700 Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > Also, how do I "port" users from other lists into mailman? I > have a number of existing mailing lists that I wanted to > move over to mailman. Can I simply import a file containing > member addresses? To which I reply: Yes. Read the documentation. -- Steve Burling University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From ricardo at americasnet.com Tue Sep 16 18:01:27 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:01:27 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST Message-ID: <3f6733d7.72.3add.1024013846@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, Is this setting used for determining which outbound smtp host to contact, or for the mailhost displayed for replies, or both? I want to be able to set the smtp host for sending email to "localhost", yet I don't want that setting to be exposed, or be appended to the list address. For example, I want my list to be a virtual address, mylist at mydomain.com, and so the mailhost for incoming mail should be "mydomain.com"... but I want mailman to use "localhost" for its own smtp server. Are there separate settings for that? Thanks Ricardo From mail at schoeppi.net Tue Sep 16 18:10:00 2003 From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:10:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] external archivers and replies In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030915093715.042abc40@metalshapers.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030915093715.042abc40@metalshapers.org> Message-ID: <20030916161000.GA1503@toshiba> Hi! On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 09:40:16 -0500, Terry Cowan wrote: > Also, I notice that, unlike most emails lists -- if you hit reply on this > list, the message is directed to the sender instead of the group. Is this > easily changed so that replies go to the list instead of the sender? Go through the general options, there you can define where the relply should go to. > Terry Cowan Regards, Schoeppi -- Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de mail at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de From jeff.dale at iam-networks.com Mon Sep 15 21:27:03 2003 From: jeff.dale at iam-networks.com (Jeff Dale) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:27:03 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Archives Message-ID: <003301c37bbf$59529460$6401a8c0@jd2200> How do I delete an archive for a mailing list. I own the server and have root access. JD From tag at cs.utah.edu Tue Sep 16 18:42:02 2003 From: tag at cs.utah.edu (Todd Green) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:42:02 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.1 not taking actions (subscribe) References: <02a701c37ba5$9fdc2190$86fb659b@apex> <1063651965.2600.21.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <003801c37c71$74da2d30$86fb659b@apex> Thanks for the suggestion Jon. I double checked and we only have one install of mailman. I also looked through the aliases file and they all point to the same place (e.g: mailman: "|/usr/local/pkgs/mailman-2.1.1/mail/mailman post mailman" Cron jobs look good as well. Some other notes, we have the web server on another host and share the mailman dirs via NFS (stored on Netapp filers) Since it is over NFS I've changed the perms to not have other rwx perms (i.e. everything is mode 2770). However all the processes run as mailman:mailman so they should have rights to the files. (Also I'd expect it to never work or always work if it was a perms problem.) Does anyone know what files other than list//* get examined/modified during a subscription? *something* has to be different between when a list is working and not working. Of course dumpdb might not be picking something up, and/or the *.py scripts might not be checking all the necessary error codes. Otherwise I can't see how it'd send out a welcome notice to the list if a user wasn't really subscribed. Thanks again for the help, Todd > Make sure you don't have a second mailman install on your box that you > are accidentally using. I had a client with a similar problem and it was > from mixing up their test install and their production install. > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 16 19:32:41 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 16 Sep 2003 13:32:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST In-Reply-To: <3f6733d7.72.3add.1024013846@server2.americasnet.com> References: <3f6733d7.72.3add.1024013846@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <1063733561.2693.428.camel@Anncons4> Fear not. Mailman always looks for a local smtp server to hand off it's mail; thus you want "default_email_host" to be mydomain.com. So it displays your email addresses as being from that domain. Good luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 12:01, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > Hi, > > Is this setting used for determining which outbound smtp > host to contact, or for the mailhost displayed for replies, > or both? > > I want to be able to set the smtp host for sending email to > "localhost", yet I don't want that setting to be exposed, or > be appended to the list address. > > For example, I want my list to be a virtual address, > mylist at mydomain.com, and so the mailhost for incoming mail > should be "mydomain.com"... but I want mailman to use > "localhost" for its own smtp server. > > Are there separate settings for that? > > Thanks > Ricardo > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 16 19:57:19 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 16 Sep 2003 13:57:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.1 not taking actions (subscribe) In-Reply-To: <003801c37c71$74da2d30$86fb659b@apex> References: <02a701c37ba5$9fdc2190$86fb659b@apex> <1063651965.2600.21.camel@Anncons4> <003801c37c71$74da2d30$86fb659b@apex> Message-ID: <1063735039.2693.469.camel@Anncons4> Now for my next guess.... Mailman sends out a welcome message after doing a read of the database and finding that the user is not a current member. That means it could have failed in it's attempt to write to the database - though that would definitely send some errors to see in the logs. I wonder if there is a problem with commiting the data via NFS? Are you running Sync or Async? Sync doesn't send back a thumbs up to the NFS process until the write is committed on the local drive. Async smiles, and winks and says: Of course it's been committed to the local drive; pay no attention to the bits behind the curtain. Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 12:42, Todd Green wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion Jon. I double checked and we only have one > install of mailman. I also looked through the aliases file and they all > point to the same place (e.g: > > mailman: "|/usr/local/pkgs/mailman-2.1.1/mail/mailman post > mailman" > > Cron jobs look good as well. Some other notes, we have the web server on > another host and share the mailman dirs via NFS (stored on Netapp filers) > > Since it is over NFS I've changed the perms to not have other rwx perms > (i.e. everything is mode 2770). However all the processes run as > mailman:mailman so they should have rights to the files. (Also I'd expect > it to never work or always work if it was a perms problem.) > > Does anyone know what files other than list//* get examined/modified > during a subscription? *something* has to be different between when a list > is working and not working. > > Of course dumpdb might not be picking something up, and/or the *.py scripts > might not be checking all the necessary error codes. Otherwise I can't see > how it'd send out a welcome notice to the list if a user wasn't really > subscribed. > > Thanks again for the help, > Todd > > > > Make sure you don't have a second mailman install on your box that you > > are accidentally using. I had a client with a similar problem and it was > > from mixing up their test install and their production install. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From machnik at swcy.wat.edu.pl Tue Sep 16 20:39:52 2003 From: machnik at swcy.wat.edu.pl (Adam Machnicki) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:39:52 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman archives - default encoding Message-ID: hello, i'm new to mailman(2.1.2) and i have a question, which might seem simple to you ... the question is: how to change default charset in archives (created by pipermail) from iso-8859-1 to iso-8859-2, so IE 6.0 or any other browser could pick up the right charset? i've tried to change the variable DEFAULT_CHARSET (in Defaults.py) from None to ['iso-8859-2'], but it didn't help... how can i see "right" polish letters in mailman archives? thanks, Adam Machnicki machnik at swcy.wat.edu.pl From tag at cs.utah.edu Wed Sep 17 00:17:38 2003 From: tag at cs.utah.edu (Todd A. Green) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:17:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.1 not taking actions (subscribe) References: <02a701c37ba5$9fdc2190$86fb659b@apex> <1063651965.2600.21.camel@Anncons4> <003801c37c71$74da2d30$86fb659b@apex> <1063735039.2693.469.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <01ad01c37ca0$56720370$5ac5639b@enkil> > Mailman sends out a welcome message after doing a read of the database > and finding that the user is not a current member. That means it could > have failed in it's attempt to write to the database - though that would > definitely send some errors to see in the logs. It would seem that verifying the write to the database and then the confirmation would be more appropriate no? > I wonder if there is a problem with commiting the data via NFS? Are you > running Sync or Async? Sync doesn't send back a thumbs up to the NFS > process until the write is committed on the local drive. Async smiles, > and winks and says: Of course it's been committed to the local drive; > pay no attention to the bits behind the curtain. They are synchronous writes. We have ~266 lists and do gobs of NFS (peaks of 20+K ops/sec, averaging around 6-8K ops), so I don't think it is an NFS issue. Everything we do is NFS based. (user's Windows profiles and unix home dirs, Maildir, etc. are all on our Netapps). This is what is driving me nuts. Everything should work but isn't. And it is just a few lists from time to time that go into this phantom mode. The fact that running "add_member" fixes the list tells me it has to be something internal to Mailman. The question is what does add_member do that is different than the email or web interface for subscribing. (We've also have problems with unsub'ing when the list goes in phantom mode too. I'd guess it is any action dealing with updating the database.) I need to check what kind of file locking mailman does, as that would be my next guess. It is failing to get a lock, but not checking the error status perhaps. Our Netapps run in mixed mode, which means they support both NT style ACLs and unix user modes. However we never access the mailman files from Window's machines, so that shouldn't come into play (in theory.) Arg, Todd From tag at cs.utah.edu Wed Sep 17 03:03:09 2003 From: tag at cs.utah.edu (Todd A. Green) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:03:09 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.1 not taking actions (subscribe) References: <02a701c37ba5$9fdc2190$86fb659b@apex><1063651965.2600.21.camel@Anncons4><003801c37c71$74da2d30$86fb659b@apex><1063735039.2693.469.camel@Anncons4> <01ad01c37ca0$56720370$5ac5639b@enkil> Message-ID: <048a01c37cb7$75ee8090$5ac5639b@enkil> I've narrowed this down (hopefully) a bit. It only seems to happen when you do the confirmation request through a browser (tested both IE under XP and Mozilla under Linux). Replying to the email confirmation via email worked every time. (Probably did 50 or so tests.) Handling the confirmation through the web interface failed probably 80% of the time. Our web server is not running on the same machine as our MTA/mailman, but both mount the same NFS share for the mailman files. The webserver is running as the user mailman. Since it works some of the time, it would seem like there is a race condition. I noticed that the faster I handled the confirmation the more it was apt to fail. I take it that the the email confirmation and web interface are not calling the same exact code to do the confirmation? Thanks, Todd > > Mailman sends out a welcome message after doing a read of the database > > and finding that the user is not a current member. That means it could > > have failed in it's attempt to write to the database - though that would > > definitely send some errors to see in the logs. From narnett at mccmedia.com Wed Sep 17 06:55:20 2003 From: narnett at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:55:20 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shunting due to unknown encoding? Message-ID: <3F67E938.7070404@mccmedia.com> The following is an error log entry that *seems* to be associated with Mailman holding up delivery of messages. If I do a bin/unshunt, that seems to end the constipation for a while, although the same entries get into the error log anew. Any idea what can be done about this? It appears to me that it's trying to encode a string as unicode, but the unicode library doesn't recognize "gb2312" as a valid encoding scheme...? And so this particular message is getting shunted, but should that have any effect on other messages? > Sep 16 21:09:13 2003 (31119) SHUNTING: 1062284017.614586+9fafb35059e24e6af1604ba > d0d81a1c0cae6c64a > Sep 16 21:09:13 2003 (31119) Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding: gb2312 > Sep 16 21:09:13 2003 (31119) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 218, in _dispose > res = Results(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 75, in __init__ > subj = make_header(decode_header(subj)).__unicode__() > File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 144, in make_header > File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 272, in append > LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312 Now that I look a bit further back in the error log, I find this: > Sep 16 17:19:54 2003 (31186) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 218, in _dispose > res = Results(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 75, in __init__ > subj = make_header(decode_header(subj)).__unicode__() > File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 144, in make_header > File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 272, in append > UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) Error on the same, line, but different error. Shortly thereafter, in the smtp log: > Sep 16 17:25:40 2003 (12262) All recipients refused: [Errno 4] Interrupted syste > m call > Sep 16 17:25:41 2003 (12262) All recipients refused: [Errno 104] Connection rese > t by peer > Sep 16 17:25:42 2003 (12262) All recipients refused: Server not connected And then the floodgates opened and mail started going to the lists again. I think that at 17:19 I did a bin/mailmanctl restart, then at 17:25, I did the bin/unshunt. Any help appreciated... From martin.cleaver at BCS.org.uk Wed Sep 17 15:46:59 2003 From: martin.cleaver at BCS.org.uk (martin.cleaver at BCS.org.uk) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:46:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need to be able to workflow "Confirm create" under CPanel (resend) Message-ID: Hi all, I need a way of allowing any user to run the create script but then, if they can't supply the password, for the Create Request to workflow by email to the administrator so they can confirm that they want the list created. Has this been done? If not, would the modification be easy? Background I'm using mailman in a shared cpanel hosting environment where the install is shared between many different users. These (non-root) users administer their own domains from their accounts. Each domain has a userbase and the admins want to the userbase to be able to create lists under their domain. cPanel Build 8.0.0-EDGE 63 Problem: If use list creators password = admin password then userbase needs to know these domain owner password. But this would give too much access, as those users would then be able to do other things in cpanel such as add subdomains, create mail accounts. If we use the "list creators password is separate" feature then all domain owners on the shared box have to use the same password. But this means that they (and indeed an of their users) would be able to create lists on any domain. I hope I have explained myself and that someone will be able to help me. Many thanks, Martin -- Martin at Cleaver.org Melbourne Business School FT 2004 MBA Exchange Participant to Rotman Cell:+1 416 832 7759 Y!:mrjcleaver ICQ:55418201 From domeara at miad.edu Tue Sep 16 21:45:53 2003 From: domeara at miad.edu (Dave O'Meara) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:45:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <003601c37c8b$244a18c0$192115ac@miady7ekf2rj38> I've been setting up some Mailman (2.12) lists for the Board of Directors of a national non-profit organization. The problem is, one of our key board members, the chair of the busiest committee, isn't receiving any mail from the lists. Tried digest and immediate delivery, no luck either way. I presume his messages are getting bounced or intercepted somewhere along the way. (He has a Compuserve cs.com address.) But I can't diagnose the problem because Mailman is being "helpful" and discarding all bounces so they won't burden me. Is there any way I can change the settings so I can see the bounces? Dave O'Meara Webmaster Milwaukee Institute of Art & Design 414-847-3217 From morna at inf.ed.ac.uk Wed Sep 17 13:04:35 2003 From: morna at inf.ed.ac.uk (Morna Findlay) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:04:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can I reset the list-admin passwords of many lists at the same time? Message-ID: <3F683FC3.2060308@inf.ed.ac.uk> Hi all. As we have many lists "owned" by the same "list-master", up to now we've just used the site password to moderate these lists and set up the lists with any odl gobbledegook as the password. Now we want to pass on the moderation to a member of staff who doesn't need to know the sit password. Question - can we reset the list-admin passwords pr 200+ lists all at once? Please say yes! cheers! Morna From cwieland at uci.edu Wed Sep 17 17:55:02 2003 From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:55:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can I reset the list-admin passwords of many lists at the same time? In-Reply-To: <3F683FC3.2060308@inf.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4C51FC7F-E927-11D7-8C87-000A959AE43E@uci.edu> You can update the MM site password using mmsitepass located in the ~mailman/bin directory con On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 04:04 AM, Morna Findlay wrote: > > > Hi all. > > > As we have many lists "owned" by the same "list-master", up to now > we've just used the site password to moderate these lists and set up > the lists > with any odl gobbledegook as the password. > > Now we want to pass on the moderation to a member of staff who doesn't > need to know the sit password. > > Question - can we reset the list-admin passwords pr 200+ lists all at > once? > > Please say yes! > > cheers! > > Morna > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: cwieland at uci.edu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/cwieland%40uci.edu From cwieland at uci.edu Wed Sep 17 18:04:35 2003 From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:04:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Upgrades Message-ID: Hello I will be upgrading MM from version 2.0.13 to 2.1.2. I was interested in how you folks handled upgrades with your users. Do you just do it? Do you run a small test group for input? Do you provide additional training? It doesn't seem like a significant change to me but the powers to be want end-user sign off. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Con Wieland UC Irvine Network and Academic Computing Services From john_coach at hotmail.com Wed Sep 17 18:57:18 2003 From: john_coach at hotmail.com (john walsh) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:57:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domains Message-ID: Hi, My system is: RedHat 9.0, with mailman installed in its RedHat default state and fully working, using sendmail - all as standard as I can keep it. I have added virtual domains within this default setup - all OK and working (took a bit of work). Now I am trying the 'seperate mailman installation per virtual domain' path - because I may want to have same named lists (eg. all@*) on different virtual domains. Started by downloading mailman-2.1.2 and config/install... all for one of my virtual domains - with the original mailman still running. Kept it all seperate, quite happy with that... Result :- the web interface is working on the virtual domain, I can see lists I create, complete the subscribe form and receive the subscription email. BUT - when I reply to the subscription email, it gets through virtusertable, aliases, gets to mailman, but ends up with an error: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/mailman/mm_tvtfloorball/mail/mailman request test2" (reason: 1) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- mailcmd script, list not found: test2 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 So anyone have any hints for what I can look at / check ? Any other tests ? I added a link into /etc/smrsh. NB. there was already a link 'mailman' for the first mailman, so I can't add another of the same name, so the link for the virtual domain is something else - if this effects anything then how can you have multiple links of the same name, one for each virtual domain ??? Thanks, John. _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From jdecarlo at mitre.org Wed Sep 17 20:12:07 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:12:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Archives In-Reply-To: <003301c37bbf$59529460$6401a8c0@jd2200> References: <003301c37bbf$59529460$6401a8c0@jd2200> Message-ID: <3F68A3F7.3040607@mitre.org> Jeff, Flip answer: 'rm' works for me. Detailed answer: Archives are stored in /archives/[public|private]/listname (and listname.mbox). To delete all the archives for a particular list, simply delete all the files in each of these two directories. Jeff Dale wrote: > How do I delete an archive for a mailing list. > > I own the server and have root access. > > JD -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jdecarlo at mitre.org Wed Sep 17 20:15:56 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:15:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachements In-Reply-To: <3F65DBA6.8D9C652C@sip.medizin.uni-ulm.de> References: <3F65DBA6.8D9C652C@sip.medizin.uni-ulm.de> Message-ID: <3F68A4DC.4040903@mitre.org> Stefan, If you turn on sending the moderators an immediate moderation message (General Options, "should the list moderators get immediate notice ..." set to Yes), then the moderators will get a copy of the message, including any attachments. Heim, Stefan, Dipl.-ing. wrote: > Hello, > Is it possible to see the contents of the Attachements > bevor the mail is approved to delivary (moderated list) ? > We use mailman v. 2.1.1 > Thanks! -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Sep 17 20:26:28 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 17 Sep 2003 14:26:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <003601c37c8b$244a18c0$192115ac@miady7ekf2rj38> References: <003601c37c8b$244a18c0$192115ac@miady7ekf2rj38> Message-ID: <1063823187.2605.1.camel@Anncons4> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 15:45, Dave O'Meara wrote: > I've been setting up some Mailman (2.12) lists for the Board of Directors of a national non-profit organization. The problem is, one of our key board members, the chair of the busiest committee, isn't receiving any mail from the lists. Tried digest and immediate delivery, no luck either way. > > I presume his messages are getting bounced or intercepted somewhere along the way. (He has a Compuserve cs.com address.) But I can't diagnose the problem because Mailman is being "helpful" and discarding all bounces so they won't burden me. Is there any way I can change the settings so I can see the bounces? > > Dave O'Meara > Webmaster > Milwaukee Institute of Art & Design > 414-847-3217 > ------------------------------------------------------ I believe you can make Mailman less helpful by modifying the alias that is used for -bounces. This is in your aliases file (for Mailman aliases). You might try forwarding that mail to you directly. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From tech-mail at prupref.com Wed Sep 17 20:35:52 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever, Chris) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:35:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sub Mailing Lists Message-ID: <5F71B3C180C8D4119F3200B0D049A7AE0297F410@PRUPREF-MAIL> I am trying to set up a sub set mailing list using Mailman. For example: AllBranch contains all the members in the branch AllAgents contains all the agents Allcompany would then be composed of allagents and allbranch I have the other mailing lists set up as recipients for the allcompany list, I have the allcompany set up as a moderator, mod bit unchecked and nomail bit check (to stop infinite loop possiblity). In theory, when you email allcompany, it forks out and sends to allbranch and allagents. However, the members on the allbranch and allagents do not get any email. If I add my account directly to the allcompany, that delivers, but it doesn forward it along. Am I missing something?? Thanks in advance From ricardo at americasnet.com Wed Sep 17 21:34:37 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:34:37 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] managing multiple lists? Message-ID: <3f68b74d.323.3391.340017011@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, If an administrator has multiple lists, is there a web interface where the many lists can be managed, from a central location? From tech-mail at prupref.com Wed Sep 17 21:33:33 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever, Chris) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:33:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sub Mailing Lists Message-ID: <5F71B3C180C8D4119F3200B0D049A7AE0297F413@PRUPREF-MAIL> some digging found the answer: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/1999-October/005967.html > -----Original Message----- > From: McKeever, Chris [mailto:tech-mail at prupref.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:36 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sub Mailing Lists > > > I am trying to set up a sub set mailing list using Mailman. > > For example: > > AllBranch contains all the members in the branch > AllAgents contains all the agents > > Allcompany would then be composed of allagents and allbranch > > I have the other mailing lists set up as recipients for the > allcompany list, > I have the allcompany set up as a moderator, mod bit > unchecked and nomail > bit check (to stop infinite loop possiblity). > > In theory, when you email allcompany, it forks out and sends > to allbranch > and allagents. However, the members on the allbranch and > allagents do not > get any email. If I add my account directly to the allcompany, that > delivers, but it doesn forward it along. > > Am I missing something?? > > Thanks in advance > Jun Ye wrote: > > Hi, there > > I just installed Mailman several days ago. > However, when a list contains sub-lists, > every post requires my approvals on all levels > of sub-lists. So one post may require the owner(s) to > approve many times. Pain ! > > Look at this: > > Your authorization is required for a mailing list posting request > approval: > > List: (list name) > Reason held: Implicit destination > > Can I disable this "feature" site-wise and/or list-wise ? > > Any one can offer quick advice how to fix it ? > > P.S. I posted this question on user list but no body reply. > So I now count on your guys. Thanks !!! Yes, this is possible to do. Let me try to recall what we did here... On the Privacy Options page, set the "Must posts have list named in destination field..." to No. And, in the box right below that, "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit..." fill in the 'top-level' list that the emails come from. You'd do both of these on all of the sub-lists, and nothing on the top level list. For example, suppose you have top-listA, and sub-listB, and sub-listC. top-listA includes sub-listB and sub-listC as members. On the Privacy Options page for both sub-listB and sub-listC, you need to set the require_explicit_destination option to No as described above; and also set the acceptable_aliases option to top-listA. Give that a try! I hope it helps. -Dan > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: tech-mail at prupref.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tech-mail%40prupref.com From ricardo at americasnet.com Wed Sep 17 21:43:48 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:43:48 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman over nfs? Message-ID: <3f68b974.374.3ffd.1346923728@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, Can mailman be run over nfs, with 2 servers sharing a mailman installation? I know there are some issues related to this... for example, incoming messages really have to be processed by the individual server, we don't want 2 servers working on the same message set. However, for lists, their definitions, the archives, digests and such, everything needs to be shared. Has anyone configured mailman to run in this type of environment? Thanks Ricardo From wheakory at isu.edu Thu Sep 18 00:12:46 2003 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:12:46 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe Email command Message-ID: <3F68DC5E.1070407@isu.edu> I know that a subscriber can unsubscribe themselves without a password using the email command, or someone else can unsubscribe the user if they know their password to the mailing list., with this command Example: "unsubscribe mail11 address=wheakorypersonal at yahoo.com" and sending this to list-request at mm.isu.edu But how can the Administrator of the list unsubscribe anyone without knowing their password, I know that the Administrator can do it through the membership management option and through the command line, But I need to do this through the email command. I tried unsubscribing an user by using the admin password and the global password, but this don't work, it requires the subscriber password. I would like to know if there is a work around for this? -- Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From tech-mail at prupref.com Thu Sep 18 06:00:14 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever, Chris) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:00:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe Email command Message-ID: <5F71B3C180C8D4119F3200B0D049A7AE0297F438@PRUPREF-MAIL> > -----Original Message----- > From: Kory Wheatley [mailto:wheakory at isu.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 5:13 PM > > > I know that a subscriber can unsubscribe themselves without a > password > using the email command, or someone else can > unsubscribe the user if they know their password to the > mailing list., > with this command > Example: "unsubscribe mail11 address=wheakorypersonal at yahoo.com" and > sending this to list-request at mm.isu.edu > > But how can the Administrator of the list unsubscribe anyone without > knowing their password, I know that the Administrator can do > it through > the membership management option and through the command line, But I > need to do this through the email command. I tried > unsubscribing an user > by using the admin password and the global password, but this don't > work, it requires the subscriber password. I would like to know if > there is a work around for this? > This is only a suggestion, but you could have a cron job (or similar) check the email account and run a command (or url) off of the information in the email... just a thought.. Is there a reason why you are trying to avoid the admin-interface? I made some URI with the adminpw for easy subscribe and unsubscribe of users...If you need the format, let me know, but it seems you are looking for a pure email method.. > -- > Kory Wheatley > Academic Computing Analyst Sr. > Phone 282-3874 > ######################################### > Everything must point to him. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: tech-mail at prupref.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tech-mail > %40prupref.com > From nsb at ceh.ac.uk Thu Sep 18 09:57:17 2003 From: nsb at ceh.ac.uk (Nicolas Bertrand) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:57:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] shunt messages Message-ID: Hello, We are having some serious problem with a 2.1.2 mailman install. Some messages get transferred to qfiles/shunt and stay there forever. I am calling on your help on this one. I understand from previous mailing list posts that the shunt directory is used by mailman if: o messages are too large to get delivered o bug in mailman o problem with python installation The original error message (in logs/error) was indicating some problem with the 'strptime' module: This was confirmed: python Python 2.2 (#1, Aug 4 2003, 14:00:57) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import time >>> time.strptime Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in ? AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' In the hope of remedying this, I have installed python 2.3 Python 2.3 (#1, Sep 17 2003, 21:23:32) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import time >>> time.strptime As you can see python is now happy with the time.strptime module. I then proceeded to reinstall mailman. All seemed fine. I then proceeded to unshunt the messages... In vain. They come back to the shunt directory. However, the error is different: Sep 18 08:42:40 2003 (15588) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name Sep 18 08:42:40 2003 (15588) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipelin e sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_dig ests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in process t = t.encode(charset, 'replace') File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/__init__.py", line 84, in search_func tion globals(), locals(), _import_tail) ValueError: Empty module name Sep 18 08:42:40 2003 (15588) SHUNTING: 1063634404.28272+cdaf6755effffbc39a35d78f 3db0024abd9cce07 Any ideas? Nic CEH Oxford From patrick.atlas at mg-france.fr Thu Sep 18 11:44:06 2003 From: patrick.atlas at mg-france.fr (Patrick Atlas) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:44:06 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to retrieve the password to create new lists? Message-ID: <005401c37dc9$67131c30$1601a8c0@colibri> Well, I can't remember the password to create news lists. Is it a way to retrieve it? I guess it was those I used to create the mailman list, but not. Any idea? Patrick Atlas From nsb at ceh.ac.uk Thu Sep 18 11:47:42 2003 From: nsb at ceh.ac.uk (Nicolas Bertrand) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:47:42 +0100 Subject: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] shunt messages Message-ID: OK... Just found that post in the mailman-developers list that did the trick: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers at python.org/msg06317.html "Barry, as was noted in a private email to ya - the problem was solved with the following patch (courtesy of Mohammed Elzubeir), --- Scrubber.py.orig 2003-08-13 23:19:19.000000000 -0700 +++ Scrubber.py 2003-08-14 00:23:47.000000000 -0700 @@ -305,6 +305,8 @@ t = unicode(t, 'ascii', 'replace').encode('ascii') try: # Should use HTML-Escape, or try generalizing to UTF-8 + if len(charset) == 0: + charset = 'us-ascii' t = t.encode(charset, 'replace') except (UnicodeError, LookupError): t = t.encode(lcset, 'replace') once we applied the patch and 'unshunt'ed everything went through. We did have a couple of messages with no Mime and Content-Type headers (which are legal to have) and those seemed to have caused the problem. A null charset within mailman caused our problems it seems and that potential corner-case needs to be designed for. As for a sample - I tried mailing the affected list a simple "test" from this yahoo account and it got shunted (as noted there is nothing peculiar about the messages - mailman simply got into a state/setting where it started shunting everything -- Larry Price notes a possible means to get into the 'state' above). And again, I really don't think it was/is a configuration/installation issue since the other 12 lists work without any complaints and/or problems." Cheers, Nic >>> Nicolas Bertrand 09/18/03 09:14am >>> >>> "Nicolas Bertrand" 09/18/03 08:57am >>> Hello, We are having some serious problem with a 2.1.2 mailman install. Some messages get transferred to qfiles/shunt and stay there forever. I am calling on your help on this one. I understand from previous mailing list posts that the shunt directory is used by mailman if: o messages are too large to get delivered o bug in mailman o problem with python installation The original error message (in logs/error) was indicating some problem with the 'strptime' module: This was confirmed: python Python 2.2 (#1, Aug 4 2003, 14:00:57) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import time >>> time.strptime Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in ? AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' In the hope of remedying this, I have installed python 2.3 Python 2.3 (#1, Sep 17 2003, 21:23:32) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import time >>> time.strptime As you can see python is now happy with the time.strptime module. I then proceeded to reinstall mailman. All seemed fine. I then proceeded to unshunt the messages... In vain. They come back to the shunt directory. However, the error is different: Sep 18 08:42:40 2003 (15588) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name Sep 18 08:42:40 2003 (15588) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipelin e sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_dig ests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in process t = t.encode(charset, 'replace') File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/__init__.py", line 84, in search_func tion globals(), locals(), _import_tail) ValueError: Empty module name Sep 18 08:42:40 2003 (15588) SHUNTING: 1063634404.28272+cdaf6755effffbc39a35d78f 3db0024abd9cce07 Any ideas? Nic CEH Oxford ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: nsb at ceh.ac.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/nsb%40ceh.ac.uk From patrick.atlas at mg-france.fr Thu Sep 18 13:31:03 2003 From: patrick.atlas at mg-france.fr (Patrick Atlas) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:31:03 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to retrieve the password to create new lists? References: <005401c37dc9$67131c30$1601a8c0@colibri> Message-ID: <000d01c37dd8$57c25f70$1601a8c0@colibri> Answering myself. Here is a command line script that allows to set the site password: mmsitepas Patrick Atlas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Atlas" To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 11:44 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to retrieve the password to create new lists? > Well, I can't remember the password to create news lists. > Is it a way to retrieve it? > I guess it was those I used to create the mailman list, but not. > > Any idea? > > Patrick Atlas > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: patrick.atlas at mg-france.fr > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/patrick.atlas%40mg-france.fr From tobias.nix at web.de Thu Sep 18 13:44:53 2003 From: tobias.nix at web.de (Tobias Nix) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:44:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Connection to newsgroup help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I'm trying to connect mailman to a news-server. I entered all the parameters > on the gateway config screen but nothing happens. Nothing seems to appear in > the error logs either. Can mailman connect to any news server or is > something else required? its working on my installation. every message vom the mailing list comes to the local newsserver/group. the problem here is the way back from new messages in the newsgroup to the mailinglist. can anybody help? tobias. From simon at titanic.co.uk Thu Sep 18 15:22:51 2003 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:22:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Location Message-ID: Where does Mailman keep it's list of subscribers for each list? Simon From nvettese at pdistributors.com Thu Sep 18 16:02:03 2003 From: nvettese at pdistributors.com (Nicholas Vettese) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:02:03 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error trying to fix my list Message-ID: <61DDCBC240B6D311A5F6005004BAF32846759A@PDIHYLTONSERVER> Hello all. I am having problems with one of my lists. The problem is that when someone sends mail to the list, it goes into the archive, but no one receives the mail as they normally would. No one has messed with the settings as far as I can gather. Today I went into the settings and I recieved this error: Error: real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by case only. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Nick From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Sep 18 16:28:18 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 18 Sep 2003 10:28:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063895298.2600.11.camel@Anncons4> ~mailman/lists//config.pck On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 09:22, Simon Faulkner wrote: > Where does Mailman keep it's list of subscribers for each list? > > Simon > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From ricardo at americasnet.com Thu Sep 18 16:38:00 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:38:00 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting web access to lists Message-ID: <3f69c348.2bc.7b28.192123038@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, I'm running mailman under apache 1.3 I'd like to be able to restrict access to /admin.cgi and /listinfo.cgi, because I don't want everyone to see all the available lists, while still allowing /admin.cgi/listname and /listinfo.cgi/listname. I'm not quite sure that is possible, but can anyone think of a way? Can mailman be configured so as to hide the lists, and only allow direct access to specific lists? Thanks Ricardo From anders at norrbring.biz Thu Sep 18 16:44:59 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:44:59 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with HTML mails.. Message-ID: <200309181436.h8IEaFhE009099@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com> Hiya all! I'm having trouble sending through mail in HTML form (from my MS Outlook). They always bounces with a message that the file type wasn't explicitly allowed. Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting Halmv?gen 42 SE-691 48??Karlskoga SWEDEN e-mail: anders at norrbring.biz Phone: +46 586-322 43 Mobile: +46 70-203 19 15 ICQ Messenger number:?5044342 Yahoo! Messenger ID??:?norrbring From jeff at tcnet.org Thu Sep 18 17:15:30 2003 From: jeff at tcnet.org (Jeff Godin) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting web access to lists In-Reply-To: <3f69c348.2bc.7b28.192123038@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: [snip request to hide lists] > I'm not quite sure that is possible, but can anyone think of > a way? Can mailman be configured so as to hide the lists, > and only allow direct access to specific lists? Ricardo- Setting the list option "Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine?" to No for each list should accomplish what you desire. -jeff -- Jeff Godin Network Specialist Traverse Area District Library / Traverse Community Network jeff at tcnet.org From listuser at peternixon.net Thu Sep 18 18:44:03 2003 From: listuser at peternixon.net (Peter Nixon) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:44:03 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman performance Message-ID: <200309181944.03095.listuser@peternixon.net> Hello List FAQ: 1.15. What is the largest list Mailman can run? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.015.htp Surely sf.net has much more traffic than the examples listed here as they have over 700,000 users currently... Anyway, I am looking for some recommended hardware specs to run a list service with approx 500,000 users, with say 2-5 million emails per day. I understand all the MTA performance issues, there will be enough MTA servers and bandwith to handle the traffic, but my question is will mailman handle the load? Is anyone running a mailman installation of this size? If so I would love to hear about the processor and ram requirements. Would splitiing the mailman components up onto separate servers with a shared NFS disk be a good idea?? Thanks in Advance -- Peter Nixon http://www.peternixon.net/ PGP Key: http://www.peternixon.net/public.asc From morna at inf.ed.ac.uk Wed Sep 17 20:04:38 2003 From: morna at inf.ed.ac.uk (morna findlay) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:04:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can I reset the list-admin passwords of many lists at the same time? In-Reply-To: <4C51FC7F-E927-11D7-8C87-000A959AE43E@uci.edu> References: <4C51FC7F-E927-11D7-8C87-000A959AE43E@uci.edu> Message-ID: At 8:55 am -0700 9/17/03, Con wrote: >You can update the MM site password using mmsitepass located in the >~mailman/bin directory Hi - thanks, but I was hoping there was some way of updating several ( well, lots) of list passwords at once, without using the site password, if you know what I mean. Thanks for replying M > >con > >On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 04:04 AM, Morna Findlay wrote: > >> >> >>Hi all. >> >> >>As we have many lists "owned" by the same "list-master", up to now >>we've just used the site password to moderate these lists and set >>up the lists >>with any odl gobbledegook as the password. >> >>Now we want to pass on the moderation to a member of staff who doesn't >>need to know the sit password. >> >>Question - can we reset the list-admin passwords pr 200+ lists all at once? >> >>Please say yes! >> >>cheers! >> >>Morna >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users mailing list >>Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >>This message was sent to: cwieland at uci.edu >>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/cwieland%40uci.edu From allen_brown at agilent.com Wed Sep 17 21:57:31 2003 From: allen_brown at agilent.com (Allen Brown) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:57:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken link on http://list.org/ page Message-ID: <3F68BCAB.D5428911@agilent.com> At the top of http://list.org/ is a link "Installation", which points to install-start.html. That page does not exist. I suspect it should instead point to install.html, which does exist. -- Allen Brown work: Agilent Technologies non-work: http://www.peak.org/~abrown/ allen_brown at agilent.com abrown at peak.org A sense of humor keen enough to show a man his own absurdities will keep him from the commission of all sins, or nearly all, save those that are worth committing. --- Samuel Butler From max at turnoffthestars.com Thu Sep 18 02:47:47 2003 From: max at turnoffthestars.com (Max Kennedy) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:47:47 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Linking web to MailMan Message-ID: Hello, I'm wondering if there is a way to subscribe to a MailMan mailing list via the host website. Previously, we were on a different server and had asp scripts to run the whole thing. The new server uses UNIX. Any tips or clues on how I could get someone to type their name and email, and have it automatically subscribe to MailMan? I am in dire need of any response. Please help! Thanks Max From hostmaster at jbagroup.net Thu Sep 18 03:14:00 2003 From: hostmaster at jbagroup.net (Hostmaster) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 1:14:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial Configuration Message-ID: <200309180114.h8I1EXIP089352@pimout4-ext.prodigy.net> I have apparently successfully installed Mailman on a Red Hat 9.x server but now am faced with initial configuration questions. I was able to set the password using /var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass but am not sure what I am suppose to edit in /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py for my site, or the significance of the /var/mailman/bin/upd update. Can I get a heads up on what needs to be configured to make this work? Thanx a heap! From morna at inf.ed.ac.uk Thu Sep 18 12:00:51 2003 From: morna at inf.ed.ac.uk (Morna Findlay) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:00:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting lots of list admin passwords at once Message-ID: <3F698253.2000708@inf.ed.ac.uk> Thanks to Anand for his set_list_pass script at: http://www.progsoc.org/~wildfire/code/ Does just the job! Morna From zavalia at fibertel.com.ar Thu Sep 18 16:25:02 2003 From: zavalia at fibertel.com.ar (=?iso-8859-1?Q?V=EDctor_de_Zaval=EDa?=) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:25:02 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Antivirus Message-ID: Dear Mailman: Does Mailman support antivirus features? Kind regards, ______________________________ V?ctor de Zaval?a Lafinur 2991, piso 15. Tel. 4804-2391 1425 Buenos Aires zavalia at fibertel.com.ar ______________________________ From raywood at magma.ca Thu Sep 18 20:49:22 2003 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:49:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Antivirus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030918184922.GL24691@magma.ca> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:25:02AM -0300, V?ctor de Zaval?a remarked: > Dear Mailman: > > Does Mailman support antivirus features? > > Kind regards, > V?ctor de Zaval?a I would be surprised if it did, but if so, I am interested in knowing about it ;-) Currently we are using amavisd with f-prot on Debian GNU/Linux to filter incoming viruses throught the Postfix MTA. Have Fun, Raymond -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030918/c280eb29/attachment.pgp From anders at norrbring.biz Thu Sep 18 21:08:56 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:08:56 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with HTML mails.. Message-ID: <200309181900.h8IJ0AAX030709@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com> Something went wrong, not the whole message went out?? Hiya all! I'm having trouble sending through mail in HTML form (from my MS Outlook). They always bounces with a message that the file type wasn't explicitly allowed. The settings in effect are filter_content = 1 filter_mime_types = 'application/octet-stream' pass_mime_types = """multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain text/html""" convert_html_to_plaintext = 0 And I really want html e-mails to pass, but not attachments that can cause damage (binaries - hence the octet-stream block). Please help me out here... Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting Halmv?gen 42 SE-691 48??Karlskoga SWEDEN e-mail: anders at norrbring.biz Phone: +46 586-322 43 Mobile: +46 70-203 19 15 ICQ Messenger number:?5044342 Yahoo! Messenger ID??:?norrbring From khera at kcilink.com Thu Sep 18 21:09:05 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:09:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman performance In-Reply-To: <200309181944.03095.listuser@peternixon.net> References: <200309181944.03095.listuser@peternixon.net> Message-ID: <16234.721.499646.910584@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "PN" == Peter Nixon writes: PN> I understand all the MTA performance issues, there will be enough PN> MTA servers and bandwith to handle the traffic, but my question is PN> will mailman handle the load? Is anyone running a mailman How do you make mailman submit a single message to multiple MTA's? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera at kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ From rday at tsl.state.tx.us Thu Sep 18 21:22:13 2003 From: rday at tsl.state.tx.us (Rob Day) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:22:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variations of email addresses Message-ID: <1863ABF011CCD611BE5B00065B3D8A572100B1@EXCHANGE> Hi, My organization just made the switch from Majordomo to Mailman. I am most pleased with Mailman to say the least. I am, however, having one problem. A user will subscribe to the list with the address "some.name at example.com," but their address will actually be "sname at example.com." Mail sent to the expanded address (some.name) will be received, but the person will be unable to post to the list because the message comes from "sname at example.com." Does that make sense? This is something that Majordomo never had a problem with. Any suggestions on how to fix this? Thanks. -Rob From ewilts at ewilts.org Thu Sep 18 22:05:56 2003 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:05:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variations of email addresses In-Reply-To: <1863ABF011CCD611BE5B00065B3D8A572100B1@EXCHANGE>; from rday@tsl.state.tx.us on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:22:13PM -0500 References: <1863ABF011CCD611BE5B00065B3D8A572100B1@EXCHANGE> Message-ID: <20030918150556.A14399@www.ewilts.org> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:22:13PM -0500, Rob Day wrote: > Hi, > My organization just made the switch from Majordomo to Mailman. I am most > pleased with Mailman to say the least. I am, however, having one problem. > A user will subscribe to the list with the address "some.name at example.com," > but their address will actually be "sname at example.com." Mail sent to the > expanded address (some.name) will be received, but the person will be unable > to post to the list because the message comes from "sname at example.com." Does > that make sense? No, this doesn't make sense. How are the users subscribing to the list? Via e-mail or web? It sounds to me like the user's MUA is misconfigured - either your e-mail address is sname at example.com or it's some.name at example.com. You can't have it both ways - mailman should correctly treat those as separate people since there is absolutely no way for it to know the difference. If you're subscribed with some.name, then post from some.name. If you want to allow posting from other e-mail addresses, then configure mailman so that non-list members are allowed to post. If you restrict posting to list members, then the client must be configured to post from some.name. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From listuser at peternixon.net Thu Sep 18 21:28:36 2003 From: listuser at peternixon.net (Peter Nixon) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:28:36 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman performance References: <200309181944.03095.listuser@peternixon.net> <16234.721.499646.910584@yertle.int.kciLink.com> Message-ID: Vivek Khera wrote: >>>>>> "PN" == Peter Nixon writes: > > PN> I understand all the MTA performance issues, there will be enough > PN> MTA servers and bandwith to handle the traffic, but my question is > PN> will mailman handle the load? Is anyone running a mailman > > How do you make mailman submit a single message to multiple MTA's? You don't. why on earth would you want to do that? I will have several SMTP relay hosts in a load balance setup. The local MTA on the mailman server will therefore only be handling email between it and the SMTP relay host(s) on the same 100Mbit switch. I may have phrased the question slighly wrong, I should have said "SMTP relay" instead of "MTA servers" but I wis in a hurry, and I just wanted to make it clear that I didn't need tips on optimising SMTP but rather on Mailman itself... Cheers -- Peter Nixon http://www.peternixon.net/ PGP Key: http://www.peternixon.net/public.asc From ftyre76 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 18 22:25:54 2003 From: ftyre76 at hotmail.com (Fred Tyre) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:25:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What MIME type is mailman Message-ID: I need to add a ForceType line into my Apache configuration and I don't know what type the scripts are. Otherwise, my web browser tries to download the admin, create, ... files. Can anyone help me? Thanks, Fred _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From mike at CamaroSS.net Thu Sep 18 22:58:59 2003 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:58:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variations of email addresses In-Reply-To: <20030918150556.A14399@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <00b801c37e27$af1ca420$680ba8c0@home.middlefinger.net> -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:06 PM To: Rob Day Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Variations of email addresses On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:22:13PM -0500, Rob Day wrote: > Hi, > My organization just made the switch from Majordomo to Mailman. I am > most pleased with Mailman to say the least. I am, however, having one > problem. A user will subscribe to the list with the address > "some.name at example.com," but their address will actually be > "sname at example.com." Mail sent to the expanded address (some.name) > will be received, but the person will be unable to post to the list > because the message comes from "sname at example.com." Does that make > sense? No, this doesn't make sense. How are the users subscribing to the list? Via e-mail or web? It sounds to me like the user's MUA is misconfigured - either your e-mail address is sname at example.com or it's some.name at example.com. You can't have it both ways - mailman should correctly treat those as separate people since there is absolutely no way for it to know the difference. If you're subscribed with some.name, then post from some.name. If you want to allow posting from other e-mail addresses, then configure mailman so that non-list members are allowed to post. If you restrict posting to list members, then the client must be configured to post from some.name. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org ------------------------------------------------------ Actually, it makes perfect sense. some.name at example.com is an alias. SuSE OpenExchange creates such aliases by default for users. The simple way around this (for the admin) is to explicitly allow sname at example.com to post to the list. This way, you don't open the whole list up to spammers. You could also unsub some.user@ and then subscribe sname@ Hopefully, it would be a rare occasion that you'd have to do this. Mike From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Sep 18 22:56:58 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:56:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What MIME type is mailman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 09:25 pm, Fred Tyre wrote: > I need to add a ForceType line into my Apache configuration and I > don't know what type the scripts are. Mailman's CGI scripts return HTTP Content-type: response headers. Apache has no need to provide this information. > Otherwise, my web browser tries to download the admin, create, ... > files. Can anyone help me? It seems more likely that your problem is that you have not used a ScriptAlias directive or ExecCGI option in you httpd.conf, per the Mailman INSTALL, so that Apache knows it has to execute the Mailman ~CGI scripts. > Thanks, > Fred > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From fparks at ezbizpartner.com Thu Sep 18 23:25:06 2003 From: fparks at ezbizpartner.com (Frank L. Parks) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:25:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members Message-ID: <014d01c37e2b$5808efa0$551d860c@ALBA> Version of Mailman: 2.1.2 Installed from source Version of OS: SuSE 8.0 MTA: Sendmail I have used http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp as guide in trying to track down my problem, but it seems to be a mystery. 0. Ran check_perms - no problem 1. Checked out grep for cron and mailmanctl no problem 2. Check aliases as written in faq - problem wrapper came back to majordomo. Substituted mailman for wrapper and all of the aliases appeared and pointed to the proper place. 3. Checked for Smrsh - no smrsh 4. Interface. No problem currently running production mail server. 5. qrunner does not appear to be a problem. Checked the qrunner log and there are commands in it for ArchRunner, CommandRunner, BounceRunner, IncomingRunner, VirginRunner, NewsRunner, and OutgoingRunner 6. Locks - Checked out and running process matched 7. Logs - The mail log looks good. It shows the incoming from me and to the list. Started checking Mailman logs: error - empty smtp-failure - doesn't exist smtp - I don't believe looks right. There are messages when I set up the list, but none from when I sent in the test message vette - doesn't exist config - doesn't exist post - doesn't exist qrunner - as I stated earlier, no visible problems. No locking problems, etc. 8. Qfiles - all directories are empty What other information do I need to provide? I'm able to add users, modify the different list configuration files, etc. through the web interface. I can even upload batch mass subscriptions and get the responses back. The one primary thing that I've noticed is that it returns the email to the list back to me without the [xxxxx-list] on the front. No error message - nothing. Hopefully, someone can help find the forest for the trees. Thanks, Frank From paul at thcwd.com Fri Sep 19 00:04:49 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:04:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: can I reset the list-admin passwords of many lists at the same time? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030918165828.07337610@mail.thcwd.com> morna findlay wrote: >Hi - thanks, but I was hoping there was some way of updating several >( well, lots) of list passwords >at once, without using the site password, if you know what I mean. From change_pw in mailman/bin : -------------- Thus, this script generates new passwords for a list, and optionally sends it to all the owners of the list. Usage: change_pw [options] Options: --all / -a Change the password for all lists. --domain=domain -d domain Change the password for all lists in the virtual domain `domain'. It is okay to give multiple -d options. --listname=listname -l listname Change the password only for the named list. It is okay to give multiple -l options. --password=newpassword -p newpassword Use the supplied plain text password `newpassword' as the new password for any lists that are being changed (as specified by the -a, -d, and -l options). If not given, lists will be assigned a randomly generated new password. --quiet / -q Don't notify list owners of the new password. You'll have to have some other way of letting the list owners know the new password (presumably out-of-band). --help / -h Print this help message and exit. <>< Paul From ewilts at ewilts.org Fri Sep 19 01:18:30 2003 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:18:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variations of email addresses In-Reply-To: <00b801c37e27$af1ca420$680ba8c0@home.middlefinger.net>; from mike@CamaroSS.net on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:58:59PM -0500 References: <20030918150556.A14399@www.ewilts.org> <00b801c37e27$af1ca420$680ba8c0@home.middlefinger.net> Message-ID: <20030918181830.A16172@www.ewilts.org> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:58:59PM -0500, Mike Kercher wrote: > Actually, it makes perfect sense. some.name at example.com is an alias. SuSE > OpenExchange creates such aliases by default for users. The simple way > around this (for the admin) is to explicitly allow sname at example.com to post > to the list. This way, you don't open the whole list up to spammers. You > could also unsub some.user@ and then subscribe sname@ Hopefully, it would > be a rare occasion that you'd have to do this. The proper approach to this is to rewrite the From address on the outbound address as well as aliasing the inbound. If the outbound e-mail is some.user@, then all will work properly. Allowing e-mail into the box to be consistently different than e-mail out of the box is a misconfiguration to me. There is no way for Mailman to know that the 2 addresses are equivalent unless somebody goes in there and manually updates the permissions list. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From mike at CamaroSS.net Fri Sep 19 02:25:12 2003 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:25:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variations of email addresses In-Reply-To: <20030918181830.A16172@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <00d801c37e44$7e0a8380$680ba8c0@home.middlefinger.net> -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:19 PM To: Mike Kercher Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Variations of email addresses On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:58:59PM -0500, Mike Kercher wrote: > Actually, it makes perfect sense. some.name at example.com is an alias. > SuSE OpenExchange creates such aliases by default for users. The > simple way around this (for the admin) is to explicitly allow > sname at example.com to post to the list. This way, you don't open the > whole list up to spammers. You could also unsub some.user@ and then > subscribe sname@ Hopefully, it would be a rare occasion that you'd > have to do this. > The proper approach to this is to rewrite the From address on the outbound address as well as aliasing the inbound. > If the outbound e-mail is some.user@, then all will work properly. Allowing e-mail into the box to be consistently > different than e-mail out of the box is a misconfiguration to me. > There is no way for Mailman to know that the 2 addresses are equivalent unless somebody goes in there and manually >updates the permissions list. > > -- > Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA > mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org I disagree on your first point. I don't see it as being a misconfiguration. I see it a method of NOT exposing a username. I have many servers with email aliases that eventually get routed to me, but I don't have an email account anywhere named postmaster at domain.tld That doesn't mean I can't reply to an email sent to that address...but any reply would not come from postmaster@ I do agree with your second statement...there is no way for Mailman to know, which is why I said to make one of the suggested changes above. Mike From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Sep 19 02:31:13 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 18 Sep 2003 20:31:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Antivirus In-Reply-To: <20030918184922.GL24691@magma.ca> References: <20030918184922.GL24691@magma.ca> Message-ID: <1063931473.2618.16.camel@Anncons4> On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 14:49, Raymond Wood wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:25:02AM -0300, V?ctor de Zaval?a remarked: > > Dear Mailman: > > > > Does Mailman support antivirus features? > > > > Kind regards, > > V?ctor de Zaval?a > > I would be surprised if it did, but if so, I am interested in > knowing about it ;-) > > Currently we are using amavisd with f-prot on Debian GNU/Linux > to filter incoming viruses throught the Postfix MTA. > > Have Fun, > Raymond > > ______________________________________________________________________ There are some interesting patches to Mailman that allow it to do some fantastic things - including check for viruses, but, really this function should be done by the MTA (Sendmail, Postfix, Qmail, etc) and not Mailman. From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri Sep 19 02:32:06 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:32:06 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variations of email addresses In-Reply-To: <00b801c37e27$af1ca420$680ba8c0@home.middlefinger.net> References: <00b801c37e27$af1ca420$680ba8c0@home.middlefinger.net> Message-ID: <3F6A4E86.5070207@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, > If you're subscribed with some.name, then post from some.name. If you want > to allow posting from other e-mail addresses, then configure mailman so that > non-list members are allowed to post. If you restrict posting to list > members, then the client must be configured to post from some.name. Or, the user can subscribe the post address as well as the receive address and set the nomail option for the former. Cheers, -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Sep 19 03:11:44 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 18 Sep 2003 21:11:44 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Linking web to MailMan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063933904.2618.52.camel@Anncons4> On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 20:47, Max Kennedy wrote: > Hello, > > I'm wondering if there is a way to subscribe to a MailMan mailing list via the host website. Previously, we were on a different server and had asp scripts to run the whole thing. The new server uses UNIX. Any tips or clues on how I could get someone to type their name and email, and have it automatically subscribe to MailMan? > I am in dire need of any response. Please help! > > Thanks > Max Don't feel blue, Max. You need to read the FAQ or the Mailman docs. Each list in Mailman has a listinfo page available via the web. Your users should be able to access the listinfo page and subscribe to a list there. They can also send a subscribe note to the -request at domain.com and get subscribed. Have fun with your new install, Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Sep 19 03:18:05 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 18 Sep 2003 21:18:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial Configuration In-Reply-To: <200309180114.h8I1EXIP089352@pimout4-ext.prodigy.net> References: <200309180114.h8I1EXIP089352@pimout4-ext.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <1063934285.2618.57.camel@Anncons4> On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 21:14, Hostmaster wrote: > I have apparently successfully installed Mailman on a Red Hat 9.x server but now am faced with initial configuration questions. > > I was able to set the password using /var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass but am not sure what I am suppose to edit in /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py for my site, or the significance of the /var/mailman/bin/upd update. > > Can I get a heads up on what needs to be configured to make this work? > > Thanx a heap! > Put the following in your /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file: MAILMAN_USER = 'mailman' MAILMAN_GROUP = 'mailman' Also you will need to put in your hosts real domain name (for me that is list.anncons.org): #DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'porky.devel.redhat.com' #DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'porky.devel.redhat.com' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'list.anncons.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'list.anncons.org' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' Since you are using Red Hat 9, use the chkconfig utility (or you could use the Services gui that comes in the System Settings/Server Settings menu). chkconfig --list mailman mailman 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off chkconfig --level 345 mailman on # this will turn the mailman daemon on automatically when the server is booted. Hope this helps - Jon Carnes From khera at kcilink.com Fri Sep 19 03:36:56 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:36:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman performance In-Reply-To: References: <200309181944.03095.listuser@peternixon.net> <16234.721.499646.910584@yertle.int.kciLink.com> Message-ID: <16234.23992.701882.326180@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "PN" == Peter Nixon writes: >> How do you make mailman submit a single message to multiple MTA's? PN> You don't. why on earth would you want to do that? load balancing. redundancy. etc. I've got two really fast outbound servers with SSD mail spools. Why not send parts of the message to each? Or even alternate between them across messages (ie, choose one per message). From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Sep 19 05:12:09 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 18 Sep 2003 23:12:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members In-Reply-To: <014d01c37e2b$5808efa0$551d860c@ALBA> References: <014d01c37e2b$5808efa0$551d860c@ALBA> Message-ID: <1063941129.2618.91.camel@Anncons4> Wow! I think that is the best problem ticket I've ever seen for mailman. You checked cron, so you are not running qrunner out of cron. You *are* running Mailmanctl which starts up the qrunners. The aliases should be taking the incoming mail and handing them off to cgi's that either handle the incoming mail or stuff it into a queue (to be handled by one of the qrunners). If you've checked the mail logs, and they show that they delivered mail to the lists (and handed it off to the cgi "post"), but the mail is not showing up in the queues, then it sounds like there is a problem with sendmail executing the "post" cgi. Try this... - turn off the Mailman daemon: mailmanctl stop - send a message to one of your mailman lists: echo "i'm gumby dammit" |mail -s "test from gumby" test at localhost - look in the Sendmail logs to see that it was accepted (one entry) and delivered (another entry): === tail /var/log/maillog === Sep 18 22:58:36 Anncons4 sendmail[3241]: h8J2wahH003241: to=test at localhost, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30046, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h8J2wam8003243 Message accepted for delivery) === Sep 18 22:58:36 Anncons4 sendmail[3244]: h8J2wam8003243: to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30599, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent ====== - then examine the aliases file and make sure the alias for the list looks like: test: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test" - Now look in the queue files: cd /var/mailman/qfiles/in ls 1063940316.823126+7e222a98096d06bd97f15e251156679fdb034db8.db 1063940316.823126+7e222a98096d06bd97f15e251156679fdb034db8.msg ### ### The *.msg file should contain text of your message### If that much is working, then your aliases are properly setup and working with Sendmail. The Mailman version 2.1 cgi "post" is working as well and placing messages into the inbound Mailman queue for processing. If you are getting messages into the inbound queue, the next step is to startup Mailman: mailmanctl start Then check the queues to make sure that they have been processed by qrunner. The logs should show any errors or warnings at this point. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 17:25, Frank L. Parks wrote: > Version of Mailman: 2.1.2 > Installed from source > Version of OS: SuSE 8.0 > MTA: Sendmail > > I have used > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp as > guide in trying to track down my problem, but it seems to be a mystery. > > 0. Ran check_perms - no problem > 1. Checked out grep for cron and mailmanctl no problem > 2. Check aliases as written in faq - problem wrapper came back to majordomo. > Substituted mailman for wrapper and all of the aliases appeared and pointed > to the proper place. > 3. Checked for Smrsh - no smrsh > 4. Interface. No problem currently running production mail server. > 5. qrunner does not appear to be a problem. Checked the qrunner log and > there are commands in it for ArchRunner, CommandRunner, BounceRunner, > IncomingRunner, VirginRunner, NewsRunner, and OutgoingRunner > 6. Locks - Checked out and running process matched > 7. Logs - The mail log looks good. It shows the incoming from me and to the > list. > Started checking Mailman logs: > error - empty > smtp-failure - doesn't exist > smtp - I don't believe looks right. There are messages when I set up the > list, but none from when I sent in the test message > vette - doesn't exist > config - doesn't exist > post - doesn't exist > qrunner - as I stated earlier, no visible problems. No locking problems, > etc. > 8. Qfiles - all directories are empty > > What other information do I need to provide? I'm able to add users, modify > the different list configuration files, etc. through the web interface. I > can even upload batch mass subscriptions and get the responses back. > > The one primary thing that I've noticed is that it returns the email to the > list back to me without the [xxxxx-list] on the front. No error message - > nothing. > > Hopefully, someone can help find the forest for the trees. > > Thanks, > > Frank > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From paul at thcwd.com Fri Sep 19 06:05:43 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:05:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python for dummies? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030918230131.01b5d768@mail.themarriagebed.com> Hi all, I want to add to the "list of lists page" a direct link to the archives for each list. So I hacked listinfo.py and added Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('private'), Bold(mlist.real_name)), This looks good, and when the link is clicked everthing seems right, but the URL is .../mailman/private/listname not .../mailman/private/listname/ and the links to the archives by thread, subject etc do not work as they lack the listname in the URL. I can not find a way to add the trailing slash to the code that generates the URL. Any help? Paul From paul at thcwd.com Fri Sep 19 06:42:11 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:42:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digging deeper into Python Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030918233147.072f6cf8@mail.themarriagebed.com> Follow up on my last post. I went to MailList.py and added a new function to give me the URL with the trailing slash. Now all is good. Paul, who is going to have to find time to actually LEARN Python From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Sep 19 06:55:22 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:55:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python for dummies? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030918230131.01b5d768@mail.themarriagebed.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030918230131.01b5d768@mail.themarriagebed.com> Message-ID: <20030919045522.GA6115@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul H Byerly wrote: > I want to add to the "list of lists page" a direct link to the > archives for each list. So I hacked listinfo.py and added > > Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('private'), Bold(mlist.real_name)), > > This looks good, and when the link is clicked everthing seems right, > but the URL is .../mailman/private/listname not > .../mailman/private/listname/ and the links to the archives by thread, > subject etc do not work as they lack the listname in the URL. I can not > find a way to add the trailing slash to the code that generates the URL. What about this: Link(mlist.GetBaseArchiveURL(), Bold('Archives')) If you wanted to add a / onto the link (which was not needed with GetBaseArchiveURL() in the quick test I did), you could do this: Link(mlist.GetBaseArchiveURL() + '/', Bold('Archives')) - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/aow6uv+09NZUB1oRAm1zAJ4ktr7XIm2gxDJBN7KlwsQW2JquywCg+SEO PnugTbmruRQ3N09abHDFFKE= =Ixvt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Fri Sep 19 10:27:51 2003 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:27:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman performance In-Reply-To: <200309181944.03095.listuser@peternixon.net> References: <200309181944.03095.listuser@peternixon.net> Message-ID: <1063960071.25946.6.camel@angua.localnet> > Anyway, I am looking for some recommended hardware specs to run a list service > with approx 500,000 users, with say 2-5 million emails per day. Largest single list is one of the key performance affecting metrics - some of the mailman stuff appears to hit scaling problems on the size of an individual list. So the answer for 500 lists of 1000 users may be very different to 400 lists of 1000 users and 1 lists of 100000 users. > Would splitiing the mailman components up onto separate servers with a shared > NFS disk be a good idea?? Seeing as mailman is using a disk based database I would be very very very wary of putting this on NFS. I'm not sure it would buy you much if anything (locking becomes an expensive fragile operation), but when it all goes wrong it will go very wrong :-/ Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From fparks at ezbizpartner.com Fri Sep 19 15:02:11 2003 From: fparks at ezbizpartner.com (Frank L. Parks) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:02:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members In-Reply-To: <1063941129.2618.91.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <005601c37eae$41318700$551d860c@ALBA> Jon, Thank you for the reply. I just realized by going through this exercise that I didn't have the aliases for test at ezbizpartner.com to test and this was why it was coming straight to me (I'm the garbage collector). Bad Frank. In other words read #2 below for aliases for Sendmail (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp) virtual domains. I put in the above alias pair and now things are going wrong, but at least I'm getting some messages. Mail log: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "daemon". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'. 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 OK. No major problem (I hope). Ran the configure with the above option Went to /usr/local/ and changed mailman to the daemon group id (see install instructions for those of you who may wondering where that came from) - also see check_param up next. Did the make install cd /usr/local/mailman/bin ./check_param -f (per install instructions) Oops 1574 errors ./check_param -f (per install instructions) No problems found Reran the test to test at ezbizpartner.com and surprise, surprise it worked. Showing me the detail and the additional debugging techniques helped me out tremendously. I really appreciate it. Once I was able to get error message, I could track down the rest. You stare at the problem too long and your brain freezes (or at least turns to the consistency of slush in my case). Thanks, Frank BTW, I appreciate the compliment about the detail in the problem ticket. I hate people not giving me enough information and then expect me to divine an answer (amateurs). I stated that I followed the faq page and I should give out the results of exactly what I did. Unfortunately, I missed the part about checking Sendmail for virtual domains (trying to work against a deadline isn't be an excuse just a fact). Again thanks. My problem was that I was seeing the forwarding to me (I'm also on the list) and I thought it was doing the forwarding and it was doing default routing. Now I have to go and setup all of the other missing aliases. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:12 PM To: Frank L. Parks Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members Wow! I think that is the best problem ticket I've ever seen for mailman. You checked cron, so you are not running qrunner out of cron. You *are* running Mailmanctl which starts up the qrunners. The aliases should be taking the incoming mail and handing them off to cgi's that either handle the incoming mail or stuff it into a queue (to be handled by one of the qrunners). If you've checked the mail logs, and they show that they delivered mail to the lists (and handed it off to the cgi "post"), but the mail is not showing up in the queues, then it sounds like there is a problem with sendmail executing the "post" cgi. Try this... - turn off the Mailman daemon: mailmanctl stop - send a message to one of your mailman lists: echo "i'm gumby dammit" |mail -s "test from gumby" test at localhost - look in the Sendmail logs to see that it was accepted (one entry) and delivered (another entry): === tail /var/log/maillog === Sep 18 22:58:36 Anncons4 sendmail[3241]: h8J2wahH003241: to=test at localhost, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30046, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h8J2wam8003243 Message accepted for delivery) === Sep 18 22:58:36 Anncons4 sendmail[3244]: h8J2wam8003243: to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30599, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent ====== - then examine the aliases file and make sure the alias for the list looks like: test: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test" - Now look in the queue files: cd /var/mailman/qfiles/in ls 1063940316.823126+7e222a98096d06bd97f15e251156679fdb034db8.db 1063940316.823126+7e222a98096d06bd97f15e251156679fdb034db8.msg ### ### The *.msg file should contain text of your message### If that much is working, then your aliases are properly setup and working with Sendmail. The Mailman version 2.1 cgi "post" is working as well and placing messages into the inbound Mailman queue for processing. If you are getting messages into the inbound queue, the next step is to startup Mailman: mailmanctl start Then check the queues to make sure that they have been processed by qrunner. The logs should show any errors or warnings at this point. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 17:25, Frank L. Parks wrote: > Version of Mailman: 2.1.2 > Installed from source > Version of OS: SuSE 8.0 > MTA: Sendmail > > I have used > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp as > guide in trying to track down my problem, but it seems to be a mystery. > > 0. Ran check_perms - no problem > 1. Checked out grep for cron and mailmanctl no problem > 2. Check aliases as written in faq - problem wrapper came back to majordomo. > Substituted mailman for wrapper and all of the aliases appeared and pointed > to the proper place. > 3. Checked for Smrsh - no smrsh > 4. Interface. No problem currently running production mail server. > 5. qrunner does not appear to be a problem. Checked the qrunner log and > there are commands in it for ArchRunner, CommandRunner, BounceRunner, > IncomingRunner, VirginRunner, NewsRunner, and OutgoingRunner > 6. Locks - Checked out and running process matched > 7. Logs - The mail log looks good. It shows the incoming from me and to the > list. > Started checking Mailman logs: > error - empty > smtp-failure - doesn't exist > smtp - I don't believe looks right. There are messages when I set up the > list, but none from when I sent in the test message > vette - doesn't exist > config - doesn't exist > post - doesn't exist > qrunner - as I stated earlier, no visible problems. No locking problems, > etc. > 8. Qfiles - all directories are empty > > What other information do I need to provide? I'm able to add users, modify > the different list configuration files, etc. through the web interface. I > can even upload batch mass subscriptions and get the responses back. > > The one primary thing that I've noticed is that it returns the email to the > list back to me without the [xxxxx-list] on the front. No error message - > nothing. > > Hopefully, someone can help find the forest for the trees. > > Thanks, > > Frank > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From spam at kdbruin.net Fri Sep 19 16:31:49 2003 From: spam at kdbruin.net (Kees de Bruin) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:31:49 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Intranet and internet names Message-ID: Hi, I'm trying to get Mailman to understand both my intranet domainname and my internet domainname, but I cannot get it to work. So, whenever I try to access the lists using the intranet domain I get a message that no lists are defined. Any suggestions? -- _ _ _ | | _ _| | |_ Kees de Bruin | |/ / _ | _ \ e-mail: kees at kdbruin.net |_|\_\___|___/ "Read the manual -- what a radical concept" From paul at thcwd.com Fri Sep 19 20:13:51 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:13:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digging deeper into Python In-Reply-To: <20030919120910.GA38997@ns2.wananchi.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030918233147.072f6cf8@mail.themarriagebed.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030918233147.072f6cf8@mail.themarriagebed.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030919130445.073539f8@mail.thcwd.com> At 07:09 AM 9/19/2003, you wrote: >* Paul H Byerly [20030919 07:43]: wrote: > > > > Follow up on my last post. I went to MailList.py and added a new > > function to give me the URL with the trailing slash. Now all is good. > > > > Paul, who is going to have to find time to actually LEARN Python > >Paul, could you please send me a diff? Go to to MailList.py, back it up, then pico -w and search for GetScriptURL. Paste the following code in below that function: def GetScriptTwoURL(self, scriptname, absolute=0): return Utils.ScriptURL(scriptname, self.web_page_url, absolute) + \ '/' + self.internal_name() + '/' Then go to listinfo.py, back it up, and pico -w. Search for the two entries of colspan=2 and changed to colspan=3. Then search for GetScriptURL and add the middle line in what is below: [Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo'), Bold(mlist.real_name)), Link(mlist.GetScriptTwoURL('private'), Bold(mlist.real_name)), mlist.description or Italic(_('[no description available]'))]) Restart mailman and you should have direct links to the archives in the list of lists page. Edit the table headers and explanatory text to your tastes. You can see mine at . You can also join the mm-p-f-a list to see my beta 2.1 of a system to allow posting from the archives with a verified e-mail address as sender. <>< Paul <>< Paul From david.nospam at netcabo.pt Sat Sep 20 00:15:52 2003 From: david.nospam at netcabo.pt (David Morgado) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:15:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce-only list Howto Message-ID: <3F6B8018.9030200@netcabo.pt> Hi, what's the best way to setup a announce-only list, I have made a few things in configuration web page but the best I can get is to have all messages from a certain e-mail address to be placed on hold for approval. Is there a way o have those messages from that address to be immediately approved while avoiding e-mail address spoofing (easy thing to do). I'm using Debian GNU/Linux testing (Sarge) on a i386 machine mailman 2.1.2-7 postfix 1.1.11.0-3 Thanks in advance. From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sat Sep 20 01:42:37 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:42:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digging deeper into Python In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030919130445.073539f8@mail.thcwd.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030918233147.072f6cf8@mail.themarriagebed.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030918233147.072f6cf8@mail.themarriagebed.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030919130445.073539f8@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <20030919234237.GA13750@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul H Byerly wrote: > Then go to listinfo.py, back it up, and pico -w. Search for the two > entries of colspan=2 and changed to colspan=3. Then search for > GetScriptURL and add the middle line in what is below: > > [Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo'), > Bold(mlist.real_name)), > Link(mlist.GetScriptTwoURL('private'), > Bold(mlist.real_name)), > mlist.description or Italic(_('[no description > available]'))]) Maybe I'm missing something, but won't this fail for public archives? It seems like it would be better to use GetBaseArchiveURL() to get the lists archive url. It's less typing too since you don't have to add another method. Correct me if I'm missing something about what you're trying to do which requires you to create the archive url with another method instead of using the existing GetBaseArchiveURL(). - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear. -- Ambrose Redmoon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/a5Rtuv+09NZUB1oRAjXyAKDfFMibYN+UvIJrcNSjvoNh7OmeiACg9cgo 1uyN6VGP8Wn2e6eLap0TY8M= =IjpC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mhensley at gofcc.org Sat Sep 20 01:54:41 2003 From: mhensley at gofcc.org (Michael D. Hensley) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:54:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman user on RedHat 9.0 Message-ID: <332A9921F6C0034E92682A91F55022BB9DC668@fccmail.gofcc.org> Greetings! I'm attempting to use Mailman on RedHat Linux 9.0. I installed it as part of the initial installation of RedHat, via the RPM that came on the CD. I set up a list using the "newlist" command, and added three email accounts via the "add_user" command. I added the aliases to /etc/aliases, and ran the "newaliases" command. I then sent a message to the list, but haven't received it anywhere, nor has it bounced. (The list is named "analog-news", on server "intranet.gofcc.org". Following the FAQ, I ran the following command with the results shows: [root at sl101 mailman]# bin/check_perms Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/check_perms", line 51, in ? MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam(MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found [root at sl101 mailman]# Here is the tail of my /var/log/maillog file: Sep 19 15:18:36 sl101 sendmail[20711]: /etc/aliases: 73 aliases, longest 52 bytes, 1278 bytes total Sep 19 15:20:21 sl101 sendmail[20723]: h8JMKKtq020723: from=, size=285, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, relay=root at localhost Sep 19 15:20:21 sl101 sendmail[20727]: h8JMKLbW020727: from=, size=464, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=sl101 [127.0.0.1] Sep 19 15:20:21 sl101 sendmail[20726]: h8JMKKtq020723: to=, ctladdr= (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30274, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h8JMKLbW020727 Message accepted for delivery) Sep 19 15:20:21 sl101 sendmail[20729]: h8JMKLbW020727: to=, ctladdr= (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30453, relay=fccmail.gofcc.org. [192.168.1.4], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent ( Queued mail for delivery) Sep 19 16:37:04 sl101 sendmail[20904]: h8JNb4eG020904: from=, size=312, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, relay=root at localhost Sep 19 16:37:04 sl101 sendmail[20908]: h8JNb4bW020908: from=, size=506, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=sl101 [127.0.0.1] Sep 19 16:37:04 sl101 sendmail[20907]: h8JNb4eG020904: to=, ctladdr= (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30294, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h8JNb4bW020908 Message accepted for delivery) Sep 19 16:37:05 sl101 sendmail[20909]: h8JNb4bW020908: to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post analog-news", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30732, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! --- Michael D. Hensley IT Supervisor Fremont Community Church From acc at anthonychavez.org Sat Sep 20 02:39:37 2003 From: acc at anthonychavez.org (Anthony Chavez) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:39:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Postfix + virtual domains Message-ID: I'm encountering a very peculiar issue here. First off, my versioning information: mailman 2.1.2, Postfix 2.0.14 and FreeBSD 4.9-PRERELEASE. If I create test at gubug.org and try to post to it, it ~seems~ to get passed along with no problems, according to /var/log/maillog: Sep 19 18:12:53 athena postfix/local[82950]: 5C6FA253: to=, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test") But the post disappears entirely. It doesn't even get placed in the archives! Here are my configuration files. I'm not sure if this is sufficient, but if you need more, please let me know. I would very much appreciate some help with this! Thanks! mm_cfg.py: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- # -*- python -*- # Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000,2001,2002 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License # as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 # of the License, or (at your option) any later version. # # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the # GNU General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. """This module contains your site-specific settings. From a brand new distribution it should be copied to mm_cfg.py. If you already have an mm_cfg.py, be careful to add in only the new settings you want. Mailman's installation procedure will never overwrite your mm_cfg.py file. The complete set of distributed defaults, with documentation, are in the file Defaults.py. In mm_cfg.py, override only those you want to change, after the from Defaults import * line (see below). Note that these are just default settings; many can be overridden via the administrator and user interfaces on a per-list or per-user basis. """ ############################################### # Here's where we get the distributed defaults. From Defaults import * ################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [ 'bsdevents.org', 'gubug.org' ] DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'anthonychavez.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.anthonychavez.org' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost('www.bsdevents.org', 'bsdevents.org') add_virtualhost('www.gubug.org', 'gubug.org') --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- main.cf: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- # Global Postfix configuration file. This file lists only a subset # of all 300+ parameters. See the sample-xxx.cf files for a full list. # # The general format is lines with parameter = value pairs. Lines # that begin with whitespace continue the previous line. A value can # contain references to other $names or ${name}s. # # NOTE - CHANGE NO MORE THAN 2-3 PARAMETERS AT A TIME, AND TEST IF # POSTFIX STILL WORKS AFTER EVERY CHANGE. # SOFT BOUNCE # # The soft_bounce parameter provides a limited safety net for # testing. When soft_bounce is enabled, mail will remain queued that # would otherwise bounce. This parameter disables locally-generated # bounces, and prevents the SMTP server from rejecting mail permanently # (by changing 5xx replies into 4xx replies). However, soft_bounce # is no cure for address rewriting mistakes or mail routing mistakes. # #soft_bounce = no # LOCAL PATHNAME INFORMATION # # The queue_directory specifies the location of the Postfix queue. # This is also the root directory of Postfix daemons that run chrooted. # See the files in examples/chroot-setup for setting up Postfix chroot # environments on different UNIX systems. # queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix # The command_directory parameter specifies the location of all # postXXX commands. # command_directory = /usr/local/sbin # The daemon_directory parameter specifies the location of all Postfix # daemon programs (i.e. programs listed in the master.cf file). This # directory must be owned by root. # daemon_directory = /usr/local/libexec/postfix # QUEUE AND PROCESS OWNERSHIP # # The mail_owner parameter specifies the owner of the Postfix queue # and of most Postfix daemon processes. Specify the name of a user # account THAT DOES NOT SHARE ITS USER OR GROUP ID WITH OTHER ACCOUNTS # AND THAT OWNS NO OTHER FILES OR PROCESSES ON THE SYSTEM. In # particular, don't specify nobody or daemon. PLEASE USE A DEDICATED # USER. # mail_owner = postfix # The default_privs parameter specifies the default rights used by # the local delivery agent for delivery to external file or command. # These rights are used in the absence of a recipient user context. # DO NOT SPECIFY A PRIVILEGED USER OR THE POSTFIX OWNER. # #default_privs = nobody # INTERNET HOST AND DOMAIN NAMES # # The myhostname parameter specifies the internet hostname of this # mail system. The default is to use the fully-qualified domain name # from gethostname(). $myhostname is used as a default value for many # other configuration parameters. # #myhostname = host.domain.tld #myhostname = virtual.domain.tld myhostname = anthonychavez.org # The mydomain parameter specifies the local internet domain name. # The default is to use $myhostname minus the first component. # $mydomain is used as a default value for many other configuration # parameters. # #mydomain = domain.tld # SENDING MAIL # # The myorigin parameter specifies the domain that locally-posted # mail appears to come from. The default is to append $myhostname, # which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple # machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up # a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to # user at that.users.mailhost. # # For the sake of consistency between sender and recipient addresses, # myorigin also specifies the default domain name that is appended # to recipient addresses that have no @domain part. # #myorigin = $myhostname myorigin = $mydomain # RECEIVING MAIL # The inet_interfaces parameter specifies the network interface # addresses that this mail system receives mail on. By default, # the software claims all active interfaces on the machine. The # parameter also controls delivery of mail to user@[ip.address]. # # See also the proxy_interfaces parameter, for network addresses that # are forwarded to us via a proxy or network address translator. # # Note: you need to stop/start Postfix when this parameter changes. # #inet_interfaces = all #inet_interfaces = $myhostname #inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost # The proxy_interfaces parameter specifies the network interface # addresses that this mail system receives mail on by way of a # proxy or network address translation unit. This setting extends # the address list specified with the inet_interfaces parameter. # # You must specify your proxy/NAT addresses when your system is a # backup MX host for other domains, otherwise mail delivery loops # will happen when the primary MX host is down. # #proxy_interfaces = #proxy_interfaces = 1.2.3.4 # The mydestination parameter specifies the list of domains that this # machine considers itself the final destination for. # # These domains are routed to the delivery agent specified with the # local_transport parameter setting. By default, that is the UNIX # compatible delivery agent that lookups all recipients in /etc/passwd # and /etc/aliases or their equivalent. # # The default is $myhostname + localhost.$mydomain. On a mail domain # gateway, you should also include $mydomain. # # Do not specify the names of virtual domains - those domains are # specified elsewhere (see sample-virtual.cf). # # Do not specify the names of domains that this machine is backup MX # host for. Specify those names via the relay_domains settings for # the SMTP server, or use permit_mx_backup if you are lazy (see # sample-smtpd.cf). # # The local machine is always the final destination for mail addressed # to user@[the.net.work.address] of an interface that the mail system # receives mail on (see the inet_interfaces parameter). # # Specify a list of host or domain names, /file/name or type:table # patterns, separated by commas and/or whitespace. A /file/name # pattern is replaced by its contents; a type:table is matched when # a name matches a lookup key (the right-hand side is ignored). # Continue long lines by starting the next line with whitespace. # # See also below, section "REJECTING MAIL FOR UNKNOWN LOCAL USERS". # #mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain $mydomain #mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain, # mail.$mydomain, www.$mydomain, ftp.$mydomain # REJECTING MAIL FOR UNKNOWN LOCAL USERS # # The local_recipient_maps parameter specifies optional lookup tables # with all names or addresses of users that are local with respect # to $mydestination and $inet_interfaces. # # If this parameter is defined, then the SMTP server will reject # mail for unknown local users. This parameter is defined by default. # # To turn off local recipient checking in the SMTP server, specify # local_recipient_maps = (i.e. empty). # # The default setting assumes that you use the default Postfix local # delivery agent for local delivery. You need to update the # local_recipient_maps setting if: # # - You define $mydestination domain recipients in files other than # /etc/passwd, /etc/aliases, or the $virtual_alias_maps files. # For example, you define $mydestination domain recipients in # the $virtual_mailbox_maps files. # # - You redefine the local delivery agent in master.cf. # # - You redefine the "local_transport" setting in main.cf. # # - You use the "luser_relay", "mailbox_transport", or "fallback_transport" # feature of the Postfix local delivery agent (see sample-local.cf). # # Details are described in the LOCAL_RECIPIENT_README file. # # Beware: if the Postfix SMTP server runs chrooted, you probably have # to access the passwd file via the proxymap service, in order to # overcome chroot restrictions. The alternative, having a copy of # the system passwd file in the chroot jail is just not practical. # # The right-hand side of the lookup tables is conveniently ignored. # In the left-hand side, specify a bare username, an @domain.tld # wild-card, or specify a user at domain.tld address. # local_recipient_maps = unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps #local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps #local_recipient_maps = # The unknown_local_recipient_reject_code specifies the SMTP server # response code when a recipient domain matches $mydestination or # $inet_interfaces, while $local_recipient_maps is non-empty and the # recipient address or address local-part is not found. # # The default setting is 550 (reject mail) but it is safer to start # with 450 (try again later) until you are certain that your # local_recipient_maps settings are OK. # #unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 450 # TRUST AND RELAY CONTROL # The mynetworks parameter specifies the list of "trusted" SMTP # clients that have more privileges than "strangers". # # In particular, "trusted" SMTP clients are allowed to relay mail # through Postfix. See the smtpd_recipient_restrictions parameter # in file sample-smtpd.cf. # # You can specify the list of "trusted" network addresses by hand # or you can let Postfix do it for you (which is the default). # # By default (mynetworks_style = subnet), Postfix "trusts" SMTP # clients in the same IP subnetworks as the local machine. # On Linux, this does works correctly only with interfaces specified # with the "ifconfig" command. # # Specify "mynetworks_style = class" when Postfix should "trust" SMTP # clients in the same IP class A/B/C networks as the local machine. # Don't do this with a dialup site - it would cause Postfix to "trust" # your entire provider's network. Instead, specify an explicit # mynetworks list by hand, as described below. # # Specify "mynetworks_style = host" when Postfix should "trust" # only the local machine. # #mynetworks_style = class #mynetworks_style = subnet #mynetworks_style = host # Alternatively, you can specify the mynetworks list by hand, in # which case Postfix ignores the mynetworks_style setting. # # Specify an explicit list of network/netmask patterns, where the # mask specifies the number of bits in the network part of a host # address. # # You can also specify the absolute pathname of a pattern file instead # of listing the patterns here. Specify type:table for table-based lookups # (the value on the table right-hand side is not used). # #mynetworks = 168.100.189.0/28, 127.0.0.0/8 #mynetworks = $config_directory/mynetworks #mynetworks = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/network_table # The relay_domains parameter restricts what destinations this system will # relay mail to. See the smtpd_recipient_restrictions restriction in the # file sample-smtpd.cf for detailed information. # # By default, Postfix relays mail # - from "trusted" clients (IP address matches $mynetworks) to any destination, # - from "untrusted" clients to destinations that match $relay_domains or # subdomains thereof, except addresses with sender-specified routing. # The default relay_domains value is $mydestination. # # In addition to the above, the Postfix SMTP server by default accepts mail # that Postfix is final destination for: # - destinations that match $inet_interfaces, # - destinations that match $mydestination # - destinations that match $virtual_alias_domains, # - destinations that match $virtual_mailbox_domains. # These destinations do not need to be listed in $relay_domains. # # Specify a list of hosts or domains, /file/name patterns or type:name # lookup tables, separated by commas and/or whitespace. Continue # long lines by starting the next line with whitespace. A file name # is replaced by its contents; a type:name table is matched when a # (parent) domain appears as lookup key. # # NOTE: Postfix will not automatically forward mail for domains that # list this system as their primary or backup MX host. See the # permit_mx_backup restriction in the file sample-smtpd.cf. # #relay_domains = $mydestination # INTERNET OR INTRANET # The relayhost parameter specifies the default host to send mail to # when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When # no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. # # On an intranet, specify the organizational domain name. If your # internal DNS uses no MX records, specify the name of the intranet # gateway host instead. # # In the case of SMTP, specify a domain, host, host:port, [host]:port, # [address] or [address]:port; the form [host] turns off MX lookups. # # If you're connected via UUCP, see also the default_transport parameter. # #relayhost = $mydomain #relayhost = gateway.my.domain #relayhost = uucphost #relayhost = [an.ip.add.ress] # REJECTING UNKNOWN RELAY USERS # # The relay_recipient_maps parameter specifies optional lookup tables # with all addresses in the domains that match $relay_domains. # # If this parameter is defined, then the SMTP server will reject # mail for unknown relay users. This feature is off by default. # # The right-hand side of the lookup tables is conveniently ignored. # In the left-hand side, specify an @domain.tld wild-card, or specify # a user at domain.tld address. # #relay_recipient_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/relay_recipients # INPUT RATE CONTROL # # The in_flow_delay configuration parameter implements mail input # flow control. This feature is turned on by default, although it # still needs further development (it's disabled on SCO UNIX due # to an SCO bug). # # A Postfix process will pause for $in_flow_delay seconds before # accepting a new message, when the message arrival rate exceeds the # message delivery rate. With the default 100 SMTP server process # limit, this limits the mail inflow to 100 messages a second more # than the number of messages delivered per second. # # Specify 0 to disable the feature. Valid delays are 0..10. # #in_flow_delay = 1s # ADDRESS REWRITING # # Insert text from sample-rewrite.cf if you need to do address # masquerading. # # Insert text from sample-canonical.cf if you need to do address # rewriting, or if you need username->Firstname.Lastname mapping. # ADDRESS REDIRECTION (VIRTUAL DOMAIN) # # This file describes configuration settings that can be used for # virtual aliasing and for implementing VIRTUAL ALIAS DOMAINS (domains # for which all addresses are aliased to addresses in other domains). # For details, see the virtual(5) manual page. # # If you need VIRTUAL MAILBOX DOMAINS (domains where each virtual # address can have its own mailbox), then you should use the virtual(8) # delivery agent instead. For details, see the VIRTUAL_README file. # The virtual_alias_maps parameter specifies optional lookup tables to # alias specific addresses or even complete domains to another # address. This is typically used to implement virtual domain support. # # By default, no address aliasing is done. # # If you use this feature, run "postmap /etc/postfix/virtual" to # build the necessary DBM or DB file after change. # # It may take a minute or so before the change becomes visible. # Use "postfix reload" to eliminate the delay. # #virtual_alias_maps = dbm:/etc/postfix/virtual #virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual #virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, nis:virtual #virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, netinfo:/virtual virtual_alias_maps = hash:$config_directory/valias.bsdevents.org, hash:$config_directory/valias.gubug.org, hash:$config_directory/valias.niteshadepromises.com, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman # The virtual_alias_domains parameter specifies the names of virtual # alias domains, that is, domains for which all addresses are aliased # to addresses in other domains. # # By default, this is set to $virtual_alias_maps so that you can keep # all information about virtual alias domains in one place. If # you have many users, it is better to separate information that # changes more frequently (virtual address -> local or remote address # mapping) from information that changes less frequently (the list # of virtual domain names). # # Specify a list of host or domain names, /file/name or type:table # patterns, separated by commas and/or whitespace. A /file/name # pattern is replaced by its contents; a type:table is matched when # a name matches a lookup key (the right-hand side is ignored). # Continue long lines by starting the next line with whitespace. # #virtual_alias_domains = virtual1.tld virtual2.tld #virtual_alias_domains = $virtual_alias_maps virtual_alias_domains = # "USER HAS MOVED" BOUNCE MESSAGES # # Insert text from sample-relocated.cf if you need "user has moved" # style bounce messages. Alternatively, you can bounce recipients # with an SMTP server access table. See sample-smtpd.cf. # TRANSPORT MAP # # Insert text from sample-transport.cf if you need explicit routing. # ALIAS DATABASE # # The alias_maps parameter specifies the list of alias databases used # by the local delivery agent. The default list is system dependent. # # On systems with NIS, the default is to search the local alias # database, then the NIS alias database. See aliases(5) for syntax # details. # # If you change the alias database, run "postalias /etc/aliases" (or # wherever your system stores the mail alias file), or simply run # "newaliases" to build the necessary DBM or DB file. # # It will take a minute or so before changes become visible. Use # "postfix reload" to eliminate the delay. # #alias_maps = dbm:/etc/aliases #alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases #alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, nis:mail.aliases #alias_maps = netinfo:/aliases alias_maps = hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases # The alias_database parameter specifies the alias database(s) that # are built with "newaliases" or "sendmail -bi". This is a separate # configuration parameter, because alias_maps (see above) may specify # tables that are not necessarily all under control by Postfix. # #alias_database = dbm:/etc/aliases #alias_database = dbm:/etc/mail/aliases #alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases #alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/opt/majordomo/aliases # ADDRESS EXTENSIONS (e.g., user+foo) # # The recipient_delimiter parameter specifies the separator between # user names and address extensions (user+foo). See canonical(5), # local(8), relocated(5) and virtual(5) for the effects this has on # aliases, canonical, virtual, relocated and .forward file lookups. # Basically, the software tries user+foo and .forward+foo before # trying user and .forward. # #recipient_delimiter = + # DELIVERY TO MAILBOX # # The home_mailbox parameter specifies the optional pathname of a # mailbox file relative to a user's home directory. The default # mailbox file is /var/spool/mail/user or /var/mail/user. Specify # "Maildir/" for qmail-style delivery (the / is required). # #home_mailbox = Mailbox home_mailbox = Maildir/ # The mail_spool_directory parameter specifies the directory where # UNIX-style mailboxes are kept. The default setting depends on the # system type. # #mail_spool_directory = /var/mail #mail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail # The mailbox_command parameter specifies the optional external # command to use instead of mailbox delivery. The command is run as # the recipient with proper HOME, SHELL and LOGNAME environment settings. # Exception: delivery for root is done as $default_user. # # Other environment variables of interest: USER (recipient username), # EXTENSION (address extension), DOMAIN (domain part of address), # and LOCAL (the address localpart). # # Unlike other Postfix configuration parameters, the mailbox_command # parameter is not subjected to $parameter substitutions. This is to # make it easier to specify shell syntax (see example below). # # Avoid shell meta characters because they will force Postfix to run # an expensive shell process. Procmail alone is expensive enough. # # IF YOU USE THIS TO DELIVER MAIL SYSTEM-WIDE, YOU MUST SET UP AN # ALIAS THAT FORWARDS MAIL FOR ROOT TO A REAL USER. # #mailbox_command = /some/where/procmail #mailbox_command = /some/where/procmail -a "$EXTENSION" # The mailbox_transport specifies the optional transport in master.cf # to use after processing aliases and .forward files. This parameter # has precedence over the mailbox_command, fallback_transport and # luser_relay parameters. # # Specify a string of the form transport:nexthop, where transport is # the name of a mail delivery transport defined in master.cf. The # :nexthop part is optional. For more details see the sample transport # configuration file. # # NOTE: if you use this feature for accounts not in the UNIX password # file, then you must update the "local_recipient_maps" setting in # the main.cf file, otherwise the SMTP server will reject mail for # non-UNIX accounts with "User unknown in local recipient table". # #mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:/file/name #mailbox_transport = cyrus # The fallback_transport specifies the optional transport in master.cf # to use for recipients that are not found in the UNIX passwd database. # This parameter has precedence over the luser_relay parameter. # # Specify a string of the form transport:nexthop, where transport is # the name of a mail delivery transport defined in master.cf. The # :nexthop part is optional. For more details see the sample transport # configuration file. # # NOTE: if you use this feature for accounts not in the UNIX password # file, then you must update the "local_recipient_maps" setting in # the main.cf file, otherwise the SMTP server will reject mail for # non-UNIX accounts with "User unknown in local recipient table". # #fallback_transport = lmtp:unix:/file/name #fallback_transport = cyrus #fallback_transport = # The luser_relay parameter specifies an optional destination address # for unknown recipients. By default, mail for unknown@$mydestination # and unknown@[$inet_interfaces] is returned as undeliverable. # # The following expansions are done on luser_relay: $user (recipient # username), $shell (recipient shell), $home (recipient home directory), # $recipient (full recipient address), $extension (recipient address # extension), $domain (recipient domain), $local (entire recipient # localpart), $recipient_delimiter. Specify ${name?value} or # ${name:value} to expand value only when $name does (does not) exist. # # luser_relay works only for the default Postfix local delivery agent. # # NOTE: if you use this feature for accounts not in the UNIX password # file, then you must specify "local_recipient_maps =" (i.e. empty) in # the main.cf file, otherwise the SMTP server will reject mail for # non-UNIX accounts with "User unknown in local recipient table". # #luser_relay = $user at other.host #luser_relay = $local at other.host #luser_relay = admin+$local # JUNK MAIL CONTROLS # # The controls listed here are only a very small subset. See the file # sample-smtpd.cf for an elaborate list of anti-UCE controls. # The header_checks parameter specifies an optional table with patterns # that each logical message header is matched against, including # headers that span multiple physical lines. # # By default, these patterns also apply to MIME headers and to the # headers of attached messages. With older Postfix versions, MIME and # attached message headers were treated as body text. # # For details, see the sample-filter.cf file. # #header_checks = regexp:/usr/local/etc/postfix/header_checks # FAST ETRN SERVICE # # Postfix maintains per-destination logfiles with information about # deferred mail, so that mail can be flushed quickly with the SMTP # "ETRN domain.tld" command, or by executing "sendmail -qRdomain.tld". # # By default, Postfix maintains deferred mail logfile information # only for destinations that Postfix is willing to relay to (as # specified in the relay_domains parameter). For other destinations, # Postfix attempts to deliver ALL queued mail after receiving the # SMTP "ETRN domain.tld" command, or after execution of "sendmail # -qRdomain.tld". This can be slow when a lot of mail is queued. # # The fast_flush_domains parameter controls what destinations are # eligible for this "fast ETRN/sendmail -qR" service. # #fast_flush_domains = $relay_domains #fast_flush_domains = # SHOW SOFTWARE VERSION OR NOT # # The smtpd_banner parameter specifies the text that follows the 220 # code in the SMTP server's greeting banner. Some people like to see # the mail version advertised. By default, Postfix shows no version. # # You MUST specify $myhostname at the start of the text. That is an # RFC requirement. Postfix itself does not care. # #smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name #smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name ($mail_version) # PARALLEL DELIVERY TO THE SAME DESTINATION # # How many parallel deliveries to the same user or domain? With local # delivery, it does not make sense to do massively parallel delivery # to the same user, because mailbox updates must happen sequentially, # and expensive pipelines in .forward files can cause disasters when # too many are run at the same time. With SMTP deliveries, 10 # simultaneous connections to the same domain could be sufficient to # raise eyebrows. # # Each message delivery transport has its XXX_destination_concurrency_limit # parameter. The default is $default_destination_concurrency_limit for # most delivery transports. For the local delivery agent the default is 2. #local_destination_concurrency_limit = 2 #default_destination_concurrency_limit = 20 # DEBUGGING CONTROL # # The debug_peer_level parameter specifies the increment in verbose # logging level when an SMTP client or server host name or address # matches a pattern in the debug_peer_list parameter. # debug_peer_level = 2 # The debug_peer_list parameter specifies an optional list of domain # or network patterns, /file/name patterns or type:name tables. When # an SMTP client or server host name or address matches a pattern, # increase the verbose logging level by the amount specified in the # debug_peer_level parameter. # #debug_peer_list = 127.0.0.1 #debug_peer_list = some.domain # The debugger_command specifies the external command that is executed # when a Postfix daemon program is run with the -D option. # # Use "command .. & sleep 5" so that the debugger can attach before # the process marches on. If you use an X-based debugger, be sure to # set up your XAUTHORITY environment variable before starting Postfix. # debugger_command = PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin xxgdb $daemon_directory/$process_name $process_id & sleep 5 # If you don't have X installed on the Postfix machine, try: # debugger_command = # PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin; export PATH; (echo cont; # echo where) | gdb $daemon_directory/$process_name $process_id 2>&1 # >$config_directory/$process_name.$process_id.log & sleep 5 # INSTALL-TIME CONFIGURATION INFORMATION # # The following parameters are used when installing a new Postfix version. # # sendmail_path: The full pathname of the Postfix sendmail command. # This is the Sendmail-compatible mail posting interface. # sendmail_path = /usr/local/sbin/sendmail # newaliases_path: The full pathname of the Postfix newaliases command. # This is the Sendmail-compatible command to build alias databases. # newaliases_path = /usr/local/bin/newaliases # mailq_path: The full pathname of the Postfix mailq command. This # is the Sendmail-compatible mail queue listing command. # mailq_path = /usr/local/bin/mailq # setgid_group: The group for mail submission and queue management # commands. This must be a group name with a numerical group ID that # is not shared with other accounts, not even with the Postfix account. # setgid_group = maildrop # manpage_directory: The location of the Postfix on-line manual pages. # manpage_directory = /usr/local/man # sample_directory: The location of the Postfix sample configuration files. # sample_directory = /usr/local/etc/postfix # readme_directory: The location of the Postfix README files. # readme_directory = no # virtual alias domains: virtual_transport = virtual virtual_mailbox_base = /var/mail/vmail virtual_mailbox_maps = hash:$config_directory/vmmaps virtual_mailbox_domains = hash:$config_directory/vmdomains virtual_minimum_uid = 90 virtual_uid_maps = static:90 virtual_gid_maps = static:90 #local_transport = local # mailman: owner_request_special = no recipient_delimiter = + #unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- -- Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc at anthonychavez.org jabber:acc at anthonychavez.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 185 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030919/0f6f6930/attachment.pgp From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Sep 20 03:06:02 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 19 Sep 2003 21:06:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman user on RedHat 9.0 In-Reply-To: <332A9921F6C0034E92682A91F55022BB9DC668@fccmail.gofcc.org> References: <332A9921F6C0034E92682A91F55022BB9DC668@fccmail.gofcc.org> Message-ID: <1064019962.3886.125.camel@Anncons4> Did you startup the Mailman daemon: /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start Your log trace shows that your mail is being delivered to Mailman. So your aliases are setup properly and working. Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 19:54, Michael D. Hensley wrote: > Greetings! > > I'm attempting to use Mailman on RedHat Linux 9.0. I installed it as > part of the initial installation of RedHat, via the RPM that came on the > CD. > > I set up a list using the "newlist" command, and added three email > accounts via the "add_user" command. I added the aliases to > /etc/aliases, and ran the "newaliases" command. I then sent a message to > the list, but haven't received it anywhere, nor has it bounced. > > (The list is named "analog-news", on server "intranet.gofcc.org". > > Following the FAQ, I ran the following command with the results shows: > > [root at sl101 mailman]# bin/check_perms > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/check_perms", line 51, in ? > MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam(MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] > KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found > [root at sl101 mailman]# > > Here is the tail of my /var/log/maillog file: > > Sep 19 15:18:36 sl101 sendmail[20711]: /etc/aliases: 73 aliases, longest > 52 bytes, 1278 bytes total > Sep 19 15:20:21 sl101 sendmail[20723]: h8JMKKtq020723: > from=, size=285, class=0, nrcpts=1, > msgid=, > proto=ESMTP, relay=root at localhost > Sep 19 15:20:21 sl101 sendmail[20727]: h8JMKLbW020727: > from=, size=464, class=0, nrcpts=1, > msgid=, > proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=sl101 [127.0.0.1] > Sep 19 15:20:21 sl101 sendmail[20726]: h8JMKKtq020723: > to=, ctladdr= (0/0), > delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30274, > relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h8JMKLbW020727 > Message accepted for delivery) > Sep 19 15:20:21 sl101 sendmail[20729]: h8JMKLbW020727: > to=, ctladdr= (0/0), > delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30453, > relay=fccmail.gofcc.org. [192.168.1.4], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent ( > Queued > mail for delivery) > Sep 19 16:37:04 sl101 sendmail[20904]: h8JNb4eG020904: > from=, size=312, class=0, nrcpts=1, > msgid=, > proto=ESMTP, relay=root at localhost > Sep 19 16:37:04 sl101 sendmail[20908]: h8JNb4bW020908: > from=, size=506, class=0, nrcpts=1, > msgid=, > proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=sl101 [127.0.0.1] > Sep 19 16:37:04 sl101 sendmail[20907]: h8JNb4eG020904: > to=, > ctladdr= (0/0), delay=00:00:00, > xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30294, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], > dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h8JNb4bW020908 Message accepted for delivery) > Sep 19 16:37:05 sl101 sendmail[20909]: h8JNb4bW020908: > to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post analog-news", > ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, > xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30732, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks in advance! > > --- > Michael D. Hensley > IT Supervisor > Fremont Community Church > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Sep 20 03:27:41 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 19 Sep 2003 21:27:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Postfix + virtual domains In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064021260.3886.134.camel@Anncons4> Are you running Mailmanctl (the Mailman daemon)? What do the Mailman logs show? Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 20:39, Anthony Chavez wrote: > I'm encountering a very peculiar issue here. > > First off, my versioning information: mailman 2.1.2, Postfix 2.0.14 and > FreeBSD 4.9-PRERELEASE. > > If I create test at gubug.org and try to post to it, it ~seems~ to get > passed along with no problems, according to /var/log/maillog: > > Sep 19 18:12:53 athena postfix/local[82950]: 5C6FA253: to=, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test") > > But the post disappears entirely. It doesn't even get placed in the > archives! > > Here are my configuration files. I'm not sure if this is sufficient, > but if you need more, please let me know. I would very much appreciate > some help with this! Thanks! > > mm_cfg.py: > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > # -*- python -*- > > # Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000,2001,2002 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. > # > # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or > # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License > # as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 > # of the License, or (at your option) any later version. > # > # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, > # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of > # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the > # GNU General Public License for more details. > # > # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License > # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software > # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. > > """This module contains your site-specific settings. > > From a brand new distribution it should be copied to mm_cfg.py. If you > already have an mm_cfg.py, be careful to add in only the new settings you > want. Mailman's installation procedure will never overwrite your mm_cfg.py > file. > > The complete set of distributed defaults, with documentation, are in the file > Defaults.py. In mm_cfg.py, override only those you want to change, after the > > from Defaults import * > > line (see below). > > Note that these are just default settings; many can be overridden via the > administrator and user interfaces on a per-list or per-user basis. > > """ > > ############################################### > # Here's where we get the distributed defaults. > > From Defaults import * > > ################################################## > # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. > > MTA = 'Postfix' > POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [ 'bsdevents.org', 'gubug.org' ] > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'anthonychavez.org' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.anthonychavez.org' > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > add_virtualhost('www.bsdevents.org', 'bsdevents.org') > add_virtualhost('www.gubug.org', 'gubug.org') > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > main.cf: > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > # Global Postfix configuration file. This file lists only a subset > # of all 300+ parameters. See the sample-xxx.cf files for a full list. > # > # The general format is lines with parameter = value pairs. Lines > # that begin with whitespace continue the previous line. A value can > # contain references to other $names or ${name}s. > # > # NOTE - CHANGE NO MORE THAN 2-3 PARAMETERS AT A TIME, AND TEST IF > # POSTFIX STILL WORKS AFTER EVERY CHANGE. > > # SOFT BOUNCE > # > # The soft_bounce parameter provides a limited safety net for > # testing. When soft_bounce is enabled, mail will remain queued that > # would otherwise bounce. This parameter disables locally-generated > # bounces, and prevents the SMTP server from rejecting mail permanently > # (by changing 5xx replies into 4xx replies). However, soft_bounce > # is no cure for address rewriting mistakes or mail routing mistakes. > # > #soft_bounce = no > > # LOCAL PATHNAME INFORMATION > # > # The queue_directory specifies the location of the Postfix queue. > # This is also the root directory of Postfix daemons that run chrooted. > # See the files in examples/chroot-setup for setting up Postfix chroot > # environments on different UNIX systems. > # > queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix > > # The command_directory parameter specifies the location of all > # postXXX commands. > # > command_directory = /usr/local/sbin > > # The daemon_directory parameter specifies the location of all Postfix > # daemon programs (i.e. programs listed in the master.cf file). This > # directory must be owned by root. > # > daemon_directory = /usr/local/libexec/postfix > > # QUEUE AND PROCESS OWNERSHIP > # > # The mail_owner parameter specifies the owner of the Postfix queue > # and of most Postfix daemon processes. Specify the name of a user > # account THAT DOES NOT SHARE ITS USER OR GROUP ID WITH OTHER ACCOUNTS > # AND THAT OWNS NO OTHER FILES OR PROCESSES ON THE SYSTEM. In > # particular, don't specify nobody or daemon. PLEASE USE A DEDICATED > # USER. > # > mail_owner = postfix > > # The default_privs parameter specifies the default rights used by > # the local delivery agent for delivery to external file or command. > # These rights are used in the absence of a recipient user context. > # DO NOT SPECIFY A PRIVILEGED USER OR THE POSTFIX OWNER. > # > #default_privs = nobody > > # INTERNET HOST AND DOMAIN NAMES > # > # The myhostname parameter specifies the internet hostname of this > # mail system. The default is to use the fully-qualified domain name > # from gethostname(). $myhostname is used as a default value for many > # other configuration parameters. > # > #myhostname = host.domain.tld > #myhostname = virtual.domain.tld > myhostname = anthonychavez.org > > # The mydomain parameter specifies the local internet domain name. > # The default is to use $myhostname minus the first component. > # $mydomain is used as a default value for many other configuration > # parameters. > # > #mydomain = domain.tld > > # SENDING MAIL > # > # The myorigin parameter specifies the domain that locally-posted > # mail appears to come from. The default is to append $myhostname, > # which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple > # machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up > # a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to > # user at that.users.mailhost. > # > # For the sake of consistency between sender and recipient addresses, > # myorigin also specifies the default domain name that is appended > # to recipient addresses that have no @domain part. > # > #myorigin = $myhostname > myorigin = $mydomain > > # RECEIVING MAIL > > # The inet_interfaces parameter specifies the network interface > # addresses that this mail system receives mail on. By default, > # the software claims all active interfaces on the machine. The > # parameter also controls delivery of mail to user@[ip.address]. > # > # See also the proxy_interfaces parameter, for network addresses that > # are forwarded to us via a proxy or network address translator. > # > # Note: you need to stop/start Postfix when this parameter changes. > # > #inet_interfaces = all > #inet_interfaces = $myhostname > #inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost > > # The proxy_interfaces parameter specifies the network interface > # addresses that this mail system receives mail on by way of a > # proxy or network address translation unit. This setting extends > # the address list specified with the inet_interfaces parameter. > # > # You must specify your proxy/NAT addresses when your system is a > # backup MX host for other domains, otherwise mail delivery loops > # will happen when the primary MX host is down. > # > #proxy_interfaces = > #proxy_interfaces = 1.2.3.4 > > # The mydestination parameter specifies the list of domains that this > # machine considers itself the final destination for. > # > # These domains are routed to the delivery agent specified with the > # local_transport parameter setting. By default, that is the UNIX > # compatible delivery agent that lookups all recipients in /etc/passwd > # and /etc/aliases or their equivalent. > # > # The default is $myhostname + localhost.$mydomain. On a mail domain > # gateway, you should also include $mydomain. > # > # Do not specify the names of virtual domains - those domains are > # specified elsewhere (see sample-virtual.cf). > # > # Do not specify the names of domains that this machine is backup MX > # host for. Specify those names via the relay_domains settings for > # the SMTP server, or use permit_mx_backup if you are lazy (see > # sample-smtpd.cf). > # > # The local machine is always the final destination for mail addressed > # to user@[the.net.work.address] of an interface that the mail system > # receives mail on (see the inet_interfaces parameter). > # > # Specify a list of host or domain names, /file/name or type:table > # patterns, separated by commas and/or whitespace. A /file/name > # pattern is replaced by its contents; a type:table is matched when > # a name matches a lookup key (the right-hand side is ignored). > # Continue long lines by starting the next line with whitespace. > # > # See also below, section "REJECTING MAIL FOR UNKNOWN LOCAL USERS". > # > #mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain > mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain $mydomain > #mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain, > # mail.$mydomain, www.$mydomain, ftp.$mydomain > > # REJECTING MAIL FOR UNKNOWN LOCAL USERS > # > # The local_recipient_maps parameter specifies optional lookup tables > # with all names or addresses of users that are local with respect > # to $mydestination and $inet_interfaces. > # > # If this parameter is defined, then the SMTP server will reject > # mail for unknown local users. This parameter is defined by default. > # > # To turn off local recipient checking in the SMTP server, specify > # local_recipient_maps = (i.e. empty). > # > # The default setting assumes that you use the default Postfix local > # delivery agent for local delivery. You need to update the > # local_recipient_maps setting if: > # > # - You define $mydestination domain recipients in files other than > # /etc/passwd, /etc/aliases, or the $virtual_alias_maps files. > # For example, you define $mydestination domain recipients in > # the $virtual_mailbox_maps files. > # > # - You redefine the local delivery agent in master.cf. > # > # - You redefine the "local_transport" setting in main.cf. > # > # - You use the "luser_relay", "mailbox_transport", or "fallback_transport" > # feature of the Postfix local delivery agent (see sample-local.cf). > # > # Details are described in the LOCAL_RECIPIENT_README file. > # > # Beware: if the Postfix SMTP server runs chrooted, you probably have > # to access the passwd file via the proxymap service, in order to > # overcome chroot restrictions. The alternative, having a copy of > # the system passwd file in the chroot jail is just not practical. > # > # The right-hand side of the lookup tables is conveniently ignored. > # In the left-hand side, specify a bare username, an @domain.tld > # wild-card, or specify a user at domain.tld address. > # > local_recipient_maps = unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps > #local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps > #local_recipient_maps = > > # The unknown_local_recipient_reject_code specifies the SMTP server > # response code when a recipient domain matches $mydestination or > # $inet_interfaces, while $local_recipient_maps is non-empty and the > # recipient address or address local-part is not found. > # > # The default setting is 550 (reject mail) but it is safer to start > # with 450 (try again later) until you are certain that your > # local_recipient_maps settings are OK. > # > #unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 > unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 450 > > # TRUST AND RELAY CONTROL > > # The mynetworks parameter specifies the list of "trusted" SMTP > # clients that have more privileges than "strangers". > # > # In particular, "trusted" SMTP clients are allowed to relay mail > # through Postfix. See the smtpd_recipient_restrictions parameter > # in file sample-smtpd.cf. > # > # You can specify the list of "trusted" network addresses by hand > # or you can let Postfix do it for you (which is the default). > # > # By default (mynetworks_style = subnet), Postfix "trusts" SMTP > # clients in the same IP subnetworks as the local machine. > # On Linux, this does works correctly only with interfaces specified > # with the "ifconfig" command. > # > # Specify "mynetworks_style = class" when Postfix should "trust" SMTP > # clients in the same IP class A/B/C networks as the local machine. > # Don't do this with a dialup site - it would cause Postfix to "trust" > # your entire provider's network. Instead, specify an explicit > # mynetworks list by hand, as described below. > # > # Specify "mynetworks_style = host" when Postfix should "trust" > # only the local machine. > # > #mynetworks_style = class > #mynetworks_style = subnet > #mynetworks_style = host > > # Alternatively, you can specify the mynetworks list by hand, in > # which case Postfix ignores the mynetworks_style setting. > # > # Specify an explicit list of network/netmask patterns, where the > # mask specifies the number of bits in the network part of a host > # address. > # > # You can also specify the absolute pathname of a pattern file instead > # of listing the patterns here. Specify type:table for table-based lookups > # (the value on the table right-hand side is not used). > # > #mynetworks = 168.100.189.0/28, 127.0.0.0/8 > #mynetworks = $config_directory/mynetworks > #mynetworks = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/network_table > > # The relay_domains parameter restricts what destinations this system will > # relay mail to. See the smtpd_recipient_restrictions restriction in the > # file sample-smtpd.cf for detailed information. > # > # By default, Postfix relays mail > # - from "trusted" clients (IP address matches $mynetworks) to any destination, > # - from "untrusted" clients to destinations that match $relay_domains or > # subdomains thereof, except addresses with sender-specified routing. > # The default relay_domains value is $mydestination. > # > # In addition to the above, the Postfix SMTP server by default accepts mail > # that Postfix is final destination for: > # - destinations that match $inet_interfaces, > # - destinations that match $mydestination > # - destinations that match $virtual_alias_domains, > # - destinations that match $virtual_mailbox_domains. > # These destinations do not need to be listed in $relay_domains. > # > # Specify a list of hosts or domains, /file/name patterns or type:name > # lookup tables, separated by commas and/or whitespace. Continue > # long lines by starting the next line with whitespace. A file name > # is replaced by its contents; a type:name table is matched when a > # (parent) domain appears as lookup key. > # > # NOTE: Postfix will not automatically forward mail for domains that > # list this system as their primary or backup MX host. See the > # permit_mx_backup restriction in the file sample-smtpd.cf. > # > #relay_domains = $mydestination > > # INTERNET OR INTRANET > > # The relayhost parameter specifies the default host to send mail to > # when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When > # no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. > # > # On an intranet, specify the organizational domain name. If your > # internal DNS uses no MX records, specify the name of the intranet > # gateway host instead. > # > # In the case of SMTP, specify a domain, host, host:port, [host]:port, > # [address] or [address]:port; the form [host] turns off MX lookups. > # > # If you're connected via UUCP, see also the default_transport parameter. > # > #relayhost = $mydomain > #relayhost = gateway.my.domain > #relayhost = uucphost > #relayhost = [an.ip.add.ress] > > # REJECTING UNKNOWN RELAY USERS > # > # The relay_recipient_maps parameter specifies optional lookup tables > # with all addresses in the domains that match $relay_domains. > # > # If this parameter is defined, then the SMTP server will reject > # mail for unknown relay users. This feature is off by default. > # > # The right-hand side of the lookup tables is conveniently ignored. > # In the left-hand side, specify an @domain.tld wild-card, or specify > # a user at domain.tld address. > # > #relay_recipient_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/relay_recipients > > # INPUT RATE CONTROL > # > # The in_flow_delay configuration parameter implements mail input > # flow control. This feature is turned on by default, although it > # still needs further development (it's disabled on SCO UNIX due > # to an SCO bug). > # > # A Postfix process will pause for $in_flow_delay seconds before > # accepting a new message, when the message arrival rate exceeds the > # message delivery rate. With the default 100 SMTP server process > # limit, this limits the mail inflow to 100 messages a second more > # than the number of messages delivered per second. > # > # Specify 0 to disable the feature. Valid delays are 0..10. > # > #in_flow_delay = 1s > > # ADDRESS REWRITING > # > # Insert text from sample-rewrite.cf if you need to do address > # masquerading. > # > # Insert text from sample-canonical.cf if you need to do address > # rewriting, or if you need username->Firstname.Lastname mapping. > > # ADDRESS REDIRECTION (VIRTUAL DOMAIN) > # > # This file describes configuration settings that can be used for > # virtual aliasing and for implementing VIRTUAL ALIAS DOMAINS (domains > # for which all addresses are aliased to addresses in other domains). > # For details, see the virtual(5) manual page. > # > # If you need VIRTUAL MAILBOX DOMAINS (domains where each virtual > # address can have its own mailbox), then you should use the virtual(8) > # delivery agent instead. For details, see the VIRTUAL_README file. > > # The virtual_alias_maps parameter specifies optional lookup tables to > # alias specific addresses or even complete domains to another > # address. This is typically used to implement virtual domain support. > # > # By default, no address aliasing is done. > # > # If you use this feature, run "postmap /etc/postfix/virtual" to > # build the necessary DBM or DB file after change. > # > # It may take a minute or so before the change becomes visible. > # Use "postfix reload" to eliminate the delay. > # > #virtual_alias_maps = dbm:/etc/postfix/virtual > #virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual > #virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, nis:virtual > #virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, netinfo:/virtual > virtual_alias_maps = hash:$config_directory/valias.bsdevents.org, hash:$config_directory/valias.gubug.org, hash:$config_directory/valias.niteshadepromises.com, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman > > # The virtual_alias_domains parameter specifies the names of virtual > # alias domains, that is, domains for which all addresses are aliased > # to addresses in other domains. > # > # By default, this is set to $virtual_alias_maps so that you can keep > # all information about virtual alias domains in one place. If > # you have many users, it is better to separate information that > # changes more frequently (virtual address -> local or remote address > # mapping) from information that changes less frequently (the list > # of virtual domain names). > # > # Specify a list of host or domain names, /file/name or type:table > # patterns, separated by commas and/or whitespace. A /file/name > # pattern is replaced by its contents; a type:table is matched when > # a name matches a lookup key (the right-hand side is ignored). > # Continue long lines by starting the next line with whitespace. > # > #virtual_alias_domains = virtual1.tld virtual2.tld > #virtual_alias_domains = $virtual_alias_maps > virtual_alias_domains = > > # "USER HAS MOVED" BOUNCE MESSAGES > # > # Insert text from sample-relocated.cf if you need "user has moved" > # style bounce messages. Alternatively, you can bounce recipients > # with an SMTP server access table. See sample-smtpd.cf. > > # TRANSPORT MAP > # > # Insert text from sample-transport.cf if you need explicit routing. > > # ALIAS DATABASE > # > # The alias_maps parameter specifies the list of alias databases used > # by the local delivery agent. The default list is system dependent. > # > # On systems with NIS, the default is to search the local alias > # database, then the NIS alias database. See aliases(5) for syntax > # details. > # > # If you change the alias database, run "postalias /etc/aliases" (or > # wherever your system stores the mail alias file), or simply run > # "newaliases" to build the necessary DBM or DB file. > # > # It will take a minute or so before changes become visible. Use > # "postfix reload" to eliminate the delay. > # > #alias_maps = dbm:/etc/aliases > #alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases > #alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, nis:mail.aliases > #alias_maps = netinfo:/aliases > alias_maps = hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases > > # The alias_database parameter specifies the alias database(s) that > # are built with "newaliases" or "sendmail -bi". This is a separate > # configuration parameter, because alias_maps (see above) may specify > # tables that are not necessarily all under control by Postfix. > # > #alias_database = dbm:/etc/aliases > #alias_database = dbm:/etc/mail/aliases > #alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases > #alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/opt/majordomo/aliases > > # ADDRESS EXTENSIONS (e.g., user+foo) > # > # The recipient_delimiter parameter specifies the separator between > # user names and address extensions (user+foo). See canonical(5), > # local(8), relocated(5) and virtual(5) for the effects this has on > # aliases, canonical, virtual, relocated and .forward file lookups. > # Basically, the software tries user+foo and .forward+foo before > # trying user and .forward. > # > #recipient_delimiter = + > > # DELIVERY TO MAILBOX > # > # The home_mailbox parameter specifies the optional pathname of a > # mailbox file relative to a user's home directory. The default > # mailbox file is /var/spool/mail/user or /var/mail/user. Specify > # "Maildir/" for qmail-style delivery (the / is required). > # > #home_mailbox = Mailbox > home_mailbox = Maildir/ > > # The mail_spool_directory parameter specifies the directory where > # UNIX-style mailboxes are kept. The default setting depends on the > # system type. > # > #mail_spool_directory = /var/mail > #mail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail > > # The mailbox_command parameter specifies the optional external > # command to use instead of mailbox delivery. The command is run as > # the recipient with proper HOME, SHELL and LOGNAME environment settings. > # Exception: delivery for root is done as $default_user. > # > # Other environment variables of interest: USER (recipient username), > # EXTENSION (address extension), DOMAIN (domain part of address), > # and LOCAL (the address localpart). > # > # Unlike other Postfix configuration parameters, the mailbox_command > # parameter is not subjected to $parameter substitutions. This is to > # make it easier to specify shell syntax (see example below). > # > # Avoid shell meta characters because they will force Postfix to run > # an expensive shell process. Procmail alone is expensive enough. > # > # IF YOU USE THIS TO DELIVER MAIL SYSTEM-WIDE, YOU MUST SET UP AN > # ALIAS THAT FORWARDS MAIL FOR ROOT TO A REAL USER. > # > #mailbox_command = /some/where/procmail > #mailbox_command = /some/where/procmail -a "$EXTENSION" > > # The mailbox_transport specifies the optional transport in master.cf > # to use after processing aliases and .forward files. This parameter > # has precedence over the mailbox_command, fallback_transport and > # luser_relay parameters. > # > # Specify a string of the form transport:nexthop, where transport is > # the name of a mail delivery transport defined in master.cf. The > # :nexthop part is optional. For more details see the sample transport > # configuration file. > # > # NOTE: if you use this feature for accounts not in the UNIX password > # file, then you must update the "local_recipient_maps" setting in > # the main.cf file, otherwise the SMTP server will reject mail for > # non-UNIX accounts with "User unknown in local recipient table". > # > #mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:/file/name > #mailbox_transport = cyrus > > # The fallback_transport specifies the optional transport in master.cf > # to use for recipients that are not found in the UNIX passwd database. > # This parameter has precedence over the luser_relay parameter. > # > # Specify a string of the form transport:nexthop, where transport is > # the name of a mail delivery transport defined in master.cf. The > # :nexthop part is optional. For more details see the sample transport > # configuration file. > # > # NOTE: if you use this feature for accounts not in the UNIX password > # file, then you must update the "local_recipient_maps" setting in > # the main.cf file, otherwise the SMTP server will reject mail for > # non-UNIX accounts with "User unknown in local recipient table". > # > #fallback_transport = lmtp:unix:/file/name > #fallback_transport = cyrus > #fallback_transport = > > # The luser_relay parameter specifies an optional destination address > # for unknown recipients. By default, mail for unknown@$mydestination > # and unknown@[$inet_interfaces] is returned as undeliverable. > # > # The following expansions are done on luser_relay: $user (recipient > # username), $shell (recipient shell), $home (recipient home directory), > # $recipient (full recipient address), $extension (recipient address > # extension), $domain (recipient domain), $local (entire recipient > # localpart), $recipient_delimiter. Specify ${name?value} or > # ${name:value} to expand value only when $name does (does not) exist. > # > # luser_relay works only for the default Postfix local delivery agent. > # > # NOTE: if you use this feature for accounts not in the UNIX password > # file, then you must specify "local_recipient_maps =" (i.e. empty) in > # the main.cf file, otherwise the SMTP server will reject mail for > # non-UNIX accounts with "User unknown in local recipient table". > # > #luser_relay = $user at other.host > #luser_relay = $local at other.host > #luser_relay = admin+$local > > # JUNK MAIL CONTROLS > # > # The controls listed here are only a very small subset. See the file > # sample-smtpd.cf for an elaborate list of anti-UCE controls. > > # The header_checks parameter specifies an optional table with patterns > # that each logical message header is matched against, including > # headers that span multiple physical lines. > # > # By default, these patterns also apply to MIME headers and to the > # headers of attached messages. With older Postfix versions, MIME and > # attached message headers were treated as body text. > # > # For details, see the sample-filter.cf file. > # > #header_checks = regexp:/usr/local/etc/postfix/header_checks > > # FAST ETRN SERVICE > # > # Postfix maintains per-destination logfiles with information about > # deferred mail, so that mail can be flushed quickly with the SMTP > # "ETRN domain.tld" command, or by executing "sendmail -qRdomain.tld". > # > # By default, Postfix maintains deferred mail logfile information > # only for destinations that Postfix is willing to relay to (as > # specified in the relay_domains parameter). For other destinations, > # Postfix attempts to deliver ALL queued mail after receiving the > # SMTP "ETRN domain.tld" command, or after execution of "sendmail > # -qRdomain.tld". This can be slow when a lot of mail is queued. > # > # The fast_flush_domains parameter controls what destinations are > # eligible for this "fast ETRN/sendmail -qR" service. > # > #fast_flush_domains = $relay_domains > #fast_flush_domains = > > # SHOW SOFTWARE VERSION OR NOT > # > # The smtpd_banner parameter specifies the text that follows the 220 > # code in the SMTP server's greeting banner. Some people like to see > # the mail version advertised. By default, Postfix shows no version. > # > # You MUST specify $myhostname at the start of the text. That is an > # RFC requirement. Postfix itself does not care. > # > #smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name > #smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name ($mail_version) > > # PARALLEL DELIVERY TO THE SAME DESTINATION > # > # How many parallel deliveries to the same user or domain? With local > # delivery, it does not make sense to do massively parallel delivery > # to the same user, because mailbox updates must happen sequentially, > # and expensive pipelines in .forward files can cause disasters when > # too many are run at the same time. With SMTP deliveries, 10 > # simultaneous connections to the same domain could be sufficient to > # raise eyebrows. > # > # Each message delivery transport has its XXX_destination_concurrency_limit > # parameter. The default is $default_destination_concurrency_limit for > # most delivery transports. For the local delivery agent the default is 2. > > #local_destination_concurrency_limit = 2 > #default_destination_concurrency_limit = 20 > > # DEBUGGING CONTROL > # > # The debug_peer_level parameter specifies the increment in verbose > # logging level when an SMTP client or server host name or address > # matches a pattern in the debug_peer_list parameter. > # > debug_peer_level = 2 > > # The debug_peer_list parameter specifies an optional list of domain > # or network patterns, /file/name patterns or type:name tables. When > # an SMTP client or server host name or address matches a pattern, > # increase the verbose logging level by the amount specified in the > # debug_peer_level parameter. > # > #debug_peer_list = 127.0.0.1 > #debug_peer_list = some.domain > > # The debugger_command specifies the external command that is executed > # when a Postfix daemon program is run with the -D option. > # > # Use "command .. & sleep 5" so that the debugger can attach before > # the process marches on. If you use an X-based debugger, be sure to > # set up your XAUTHORITY environment variable before starting Postfix. > # > debugger_command = > PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin > xxgdb $daemon_directory/$process_name $process_id & sleep 5 > > # If you don't have X installed on the Postfix machine, try: > # debugger_command = > # PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin; export PATH; (echo cont; > # echo where) | gdb $daemon_directory/$process_name $process_id 2>&1 > # >$config_directory/$process_name.$process_id.log & sleep 5 > > # INSTALL-TIME CONFIGURATION INFORMATION > # > # The following parameters are used when installing a new Postfix version. > # > # sendmail_path: The full pathname of the Postfix sendmail command. > # This is the Sendmail-compatible mail posting interface. > # > sendmail_path = /usr/local/sbin/sendmail > > # newaliases_path: The full pathname of the Postfix newaliases command. > # This is the Sendmail-compatible command to build alias databases. > # > newaliases_path = /usr/local/bin/newaliases > > # mailq_path: The full pathname of the Postfix mailq command. This > # is the Sendmail-compatible mail queue listing command. > # > mailq_path = /usr/local/bin/mailq > > # setgid_group: The group for mail submission and queue management > # commands. This must be a group name with a numerical group ID that > # is not shared with other accounts, not even with the Postfix account. > # > setgid_group = maildrop > > # manpage_directory: The location of the Postfix on-line manual pages. > # > manpage_directory = /usr/local/man > > # sample_directory: The location of the Postfix sample configuration files. > # > sample_directory = /usr/local/etc/postfix > > # readme_directory: The location of the Postfix README files. > # > readme_directory = no > > # virtual alias domains: > virtual_transport = virtual > virtual_mailbox_base = /var/mail/vmail > virtual_mailbox_maps = hash:$config_directory/vmmaps > virtual_mailbox_domains = hash:$config_directory/vmdomains > virtual_minimum_uid = 90 > virtual_uid_maps = static:90 > virtual_gid_maps = static:90 > > #local_transport = local > > # mailman: > owner_request_special = no > recipient_delimiter = + > #unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- From paul at thcwd.com Sat Sep 20 03:51:52 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:51:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digging deeper into Python In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030919204208.072134d0@mail.thcwd.com> Todd wrote: >Paul H Byerly wrote: > > Then go to listinfo.py, back it up, and pico -w. Search for the two > > entries of colspan=2 and changed to colspan=3. Then search for > > GetScriptURL and add the middle line in what is below: > > > > [Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo'), > > Bold(mlist.real_name)), > > Link(mlist.GetScriptTwoURL('private'), > > Bold(mlist.real_name)), > > mlist.description or Italic(_('[no description > > available]'))]) > >Maybe I'm missing something, but won't this fail for public archives? Yes, I realized that earlier today while mussing over it. I currently have no public archives, which is why I'd not though of it sooner. I was going to change anyway since I'd rather not add a new function if I can avoid it - staying with stock files is better. >It seems like it would be better to use GetBaseArchiveURL() to get the lists >archive url. I've made the change, and it does add the needed trailing slash. Thanks. >Correct me if I'm missing something about what you're trying to do >which requires you to create the archive url with another method instead of >using the existing GetBaseArchiveURL(). I'm still learning, and I did not realize I was recreating the wheel. <>< Paul From acc at anthonychavez.org Sat Sep 20 04:01:13 2003 From: acc at anthonychavez.org (Anthony Chavez) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:01:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman + Postfix + virtual domains References: <1064021260.3886.134.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: On 19 Sep 2003 21:27:41 -0400 Jon Carnes wrote: > Are you running Mailmanctl (the Mailman daemon)? > What do the Mailman logs show? I am not familiar with this tool. When I try to run it, I get: acc at athena:~> sudo ~mailman/bin/mailmanctl start Site list is missing: mailman -- Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc at anthonychavez.org jabber:acc at anthonychavez.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 185 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030919/04f63a5f/attachment.pgp From acc at anthonychavez.org Sat Sep 20 05:35:27 2003 From: acc at anthonychavez.org (Anthony Chavez) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:35:27 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman + Postfix + virtual domains References: <1064021260.3886.134.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:01:13 -0600 Anthony Chavez wrote: > On 19 Sep 2003 21:27:41 -0400 Jon Carnes wrote: >> Are you running Mailmanctl (the Mailman daemon)? >> What do the Mailman logs show? > > I am not familiar with this tool. Sorry, in my past experiences with Mailman, I seem to recall it working right out of the box, so I didn't bother reading INSTALL. When all else fails, RTFM! ;-) -- Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc at anthonychavez.org jabber:acc at anthonychavez.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 185 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030919/3fd7c391/attachment.pgp From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Sep 20 05:44:48 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 19 Sep 2003 23:44:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman + Postfix + virtual domains In-Reply-To: References: <1064021260.3886.134.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <1064029488.3886.151.camel@Anncons4> RTFM... You *must* create a list called mailman before the mailman daemon will run: newlist mailman Once you are done with that, you need to add yourself (and any other admins) to that list. Mailman error messages and warnings will be sent to the list. After that, you should be able to run mailmanctl. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 22:01, Anthony Chavez wrote: > On 19 Sep 2003 21:27:41 -0400 Jon Carnes wrote: > > Are you running Mailmanctl (the Mailman daemon)? > > What do the Mailman logs show? > > I am not familiar with this tool. > > When I try to run it, I get: > > acc at athena:~> sudo ~mailman/bin/mailmanctl start > Site list is missing: mailman From ebrahimh at pddc.co.za Sat Sep 20 12:45:49 2003 From: ebrahimh at pddc.co.za (Ebrahim Hartley) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:45:49 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Mailman-2.1.2 Message-ID: <010301c37f64$64a2e4c0$6df70fc4@pddc.co.za> Hi all I am new to the mailman environment. I started the installation as indicated in INSTALL, e.g in ROOT, I did the following Created the mailman user and group did a cd $prefix chgrp mailman . chmod a+rx,g+ws . In mailman I did the following cd mailman-2.1.2 ./configure The following message appears "checking permisions on /usr/local/mailman... configure error:" "***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured properly!" "Set-gid bit must be set for directory: /usr/local/mailman" Can anyone help. What is it that I am doing wrong Regards Brain Hartley From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Sep 20 14:47:19 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 20 Sep 2003 08:47:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Mailman-2.1.2 In-Reply-To: <010301c37f64$64a2e4c0$6df70fc4@pddc.co.za> References: <010301c37f64$64a2e4c0$6df70fc4@pddc.co.za> Message-ID: <1064062038.2600.20.camel@Anncons4> Dude! When installing from source, don't put the source files into your target directory. Put them in your home directory or in /usr/src/mailman. When you run the install from there, it will create the directories it needs. Once the install is done, you need to run check_perms -f Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 06:45, Ebrahim Hartley wrote: > Hi all > > I am new to the mailman environment. > > I started the installation as indicated in INSTALL, e.g > > in ROOT, I did the following > > Created the mailman user and group > > did a cd $prefix > chgrp mailman . > chmod a+rx,g+ws . > > In mailman I did the following > > > cd mailman-2.1.2 > ./configure > > The following message appears > > "checking permisions on /usr/local/mailman... configure error:" > "***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured > properly!" > "Set-gid bit must be set for directory: /usr/local/mailman" > > Can anyone help. > > What is it that I am doing wrong > > > Regards > > Brain Hartley > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From Oscar.Vargas at kmc-usa.com Thu Sep 18 23:37:28 2003 From: Oscar.Vargas at kmc-usa.com (Oscar Vargas) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:37:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Message-ID: I want to start a discussion list for my "small" community. Where do I find out what hardware / software I need to run Mailman Thank You, Oscar From david at fastmetrics.com Fri Sep 19 03:54:13 2003 From: david at fastmetrics.com (David Wilson) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:54:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: HTML email problem Message-ID: <992ACBFA3CE91A43B971DB44616720F4297B55@exch01.mtshostservices.pri> Dear Mailman Users, I have setup mailman on a Debian woody machine with qmail. Everything seems to be working correctly except for a few small details. The main issue I am having right now is detailed below. The user is attempting to send an HTML formatted email to the list. The received email looks nothing like the sent item, It looks like the HTML has been striped. This puzzles me because it looks like the command it uses to strip is lynx -dump, and lynx is not installed on the machine. I have verified that the original message is viewable as an html message when not sent through mailman. How do I make HTML email arrive intact? Many Thanks, -David Wilson Fastmetrics Systems Administrator. -----Original Message----- I've attempted several times to send an html newsletter via the Mailman mailing list, without success. The html newsletter transmits successfully, ie with its html intact, if I send it directly through Outlook Express. The newsletter itself (in attached file) is less than 60K. I increased the memory to 200K just in case, but the newsletter was still transmitted as plain text and image attachments. My current content filtering settings are as follows: (1) Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below?: NO (2) (filter_mime_types) Remove msg. attachments that have a matching content type: (set to BLANK - nothing in the text box) (3) (pass_mime_types) Remove msg. attachments that don't have a matching content type (again set to BLANK - nothing in the text box) - (4) Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments have been stripped: NO (5) Action to take when a message matches th e content filtering rules: PRESERVE -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: newsletter_test2.htm Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030918/a8c13e72/attachment.pot From jkusar at pixelvizions.com Sat Sep 20 19:35:33 2003 From: jkusar at pixelvizions.com (Jason M. Kusar) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:35:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '!'. Message-ID: <01a701c37f9d$98ba8720$1901a8c0@jmk> I've been getting a strange error message lately. It first started with the gate_news cron job. Then I tried to get to the admin webpage, but the error message showed up there too, but with a different traceback, obviously. Lastly, I tried to run check_db, but got the message below. It's basically the same as the other ones. When I tried to pull the list members out of the list so I could recreate it, that failed too. I don't know what caused this, but I'm hoping at the very least there is a way to extract the email addresses as I don't have a recent backup. (I know, my stupid fault on that one.) Thanks, --Jason --Begin Error Message-- Traceback (most recent call last): File "../../bin/check_db", line 153, in ? main() File "../../bin/check_db", line 121, in main mlist = MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 124, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 583, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 556, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '!'. From jkusar at pixelvizions.com Sat Sep 20 19:39:15 2003 From: jkusar at pixelvizions.com (Jason M. Kusar) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:39:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '!'. References: <01a701c37f9d$98ba8720$1901a8c0@jmk> Message-ID: <01be01c37f9e$1d012340$1901a8c0@jmk> Sorry, guess I should have included some more info: Python 2.3 Mailman 2.1.2 Linux 2.4.8 gcc 2.96 The other lists are all working fine. Thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason M. Kusar" To: Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 1:35 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key,'!'. > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jkusar at pixelvizions.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jkusar%40pixelvizions.com > From agnel_d at zu.ac.ae Sat Sep 20 18:13:27 2003 From: agnel_d at zu.ac.ae (Agnel D'souza) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:13:27 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 Message-ID: Hi , have installed mailman and get this error , please let me know the cause .I am receiving subscription mail but do not get mail when posting . ATTACHED BELOW IN THE ERROR MESSAGE . THANKS -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: mailmanbug.txt Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030920/5b8a82f4/attachment.txt From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Sep 21 04:02:55 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 20 Sep 2003 22:02:55 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064109775.2600.31.camel@Anncons4> You tried to create an alias but either the rights were not setup properly for accessing the file /var/mailman/data/aliases or your mta is not Postfix. As a general rule, you should run /var/mailman/bin/check_perms - though this file does not always catch the proper rights necessary to for the /var/mailman/data/aliases file. Good Luck - Jon Carnes BTW: if you search the archives you will find a lot of discussion of this error and it's solution in detail. On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 12:13, Agnel D'souza wrote: > Hi , > > have installed mailman and get this error , please let me know the > cause .I am receiving subscription mail but do not get mail when posting > . > > ATTACHED BELOW IN THE ERROR MESSAGE . > > THANKS > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From eric at cgt.fr Sun Sep 21 10:42:02 2003 From: eric at cgt.fr (Eric DUVAL) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:42:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: 1064133722 Hy, I like make a configuration : One MailMan server One Sendmail server One Apache server (I have Sendmail and Apache server.) Where can I find a HOWTO MailMan-NFS or MailMan- ? I have need an experiance on this subject. Regards. From theofel at etes.de Sun Sep 21 11:55:01 2003 From: theofel at etes.de (Jan Theofel) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:55:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error adding a new list Message-ID: <20030921095501.GB31727@intranet.etes.de> Hello, I have a problem adding a new list to mailman: --- snip --- mailgate:/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman # ../bin/newlist ks-liste at mailman.etes.de theofel at etes.de test Traceback (most recent call last): File "../bin/newlist", line 219, in ? main() File "../bin/newlist", line 160, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 431, in Create File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 203, in ValidateEmail Mailman.Errors.MMHostileAddress: ks-liste@(unused) --- snap --- Can some please tell me how I can solve this problem? In my mm_cfg.py I use the follwoing settings: --- snip --- DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'mailman.etes.de' DEFAULT_EMAIL_NAME = 'mailman.etes.de' DEFAULT_URL = 'http://mailman.etes.de/mailman/' MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner at mailman.etes.de' DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' SMTPHOST = 'localhost' SMTPPORT = 25 --- snap --- Bye, Jan -- Jan Theofel Fon: +49 (7 11) 48 90 83 - 0 ETES - EDV-Systemhaus GbR Fax: +49 (7 11) 48 90 83 - 50 Libanonstrasse 58 A * D-70184 Stuttgart Web: http://www.etes.de From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun Sep 21 13:40:45 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:40:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error adding a new list In-Reply-To: <20030921095501.GB31727@intranet.etes.de> Message-ID: <70283B2B-EC28-11D7-AA73-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Sunday, September 21, 2003, at 10:55 am, Jan Theofel wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a problem adding a new list to mailman: > > --- snip --- > mailgate:/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman # ../bin/newlist > ks-liste at mailman.etes.de theofel at etes.de test > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "../bin/newlist", line 219, in ? > main() > File "../bin/newlist", line 160, in main > mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) > File > "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", > line 431, in Create > File > "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line > 203, in ValidateEmail > Mailman.Errors.MMHostileAddress: ks-liste@(unused) > --- snap --- > > Can some please tell me how I can solve this problem? > > In my mm_cfg.py I use the follwoing settings: > --- snip --- > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'mailman.etes.de' > DEFAULT_EMAIL_NAME = 'mailman.etes.de' > DEFAULT_URL = 'http://mailman.etes.de/mailman/' > MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner at mailman.etes.de' > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' > SMTPHOST = 'localhost' > SMTPPORT = 25 > --- snap --- > Assuming you are running MM 2.1.x (because your are defining DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST), then in mm_cfg.py say only this: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailman.etes.de' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.etes.de' VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) Do not define DEFAULT_URL, leaving it to its default value of None set in Defaults.py; see the explanation in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. The MAILMAN_OWNER config variable is no longer used in MM 2.1.x; it was used in MM 2.0.13 Your SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT definitions are redundant but doing no harm For more information see under the heading "Changing hostnames" in the FAQ entry: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp Let us know if the suggested changes fix your problem or not. > Bye, > Jan > > -- Jan Theofel Fon: +49 (7 11) 48 90 83 > - 0 > ETES - EDV-Systemhaus GbR Fax: +49 (7 11) 48 90 83 - 50 > Libanonstrasse 58 A * D-70184 Stuttgart Web: http://www.etes.de > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org Sun Sep 21 16:37:52 2003 From: webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org (Jeff D) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with Hotmail subscribers Message-ID: <1760.68.118.232.64.1064155072.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org> One of my list subscribers on Hotmail is complaining he isn't receiving messages from the list(s). Is there any settings to change on the server end so that messages get through, or is it all a matter of his preferences and MSN/Hotmail SPAM filters being too aggressive? Thanks in advance.... Jeff D From strax at hotlinkz.net Sun Sep 21 22:25:54 2003 From: strax at hotlinkz.net (strax at hotlinkz.net) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:25:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe References: Message-ID: <00d401c3807e$8fa81da0$3ba54a43@inetbiz> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:02 AM Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37 > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-users-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Error: cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '!'. > (Jason M. Kusar) > 2. Re: Error: cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '!'. > (Jason M. Kusar) > 3. Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 (Agnel D'souza) > 4. Re: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 (Jon Carnes) > 5. (no subject) (Eric DUVAL) > 6. error adding a new list (Jan Theofel) > 7. Re: error adding a new list (Richard Barrett) > 8. problem with Hotmail subscribers (Jeff D) > 9. Making Announcement Only List (SoloCDM) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From paul at thcwd.com Sun Sep 21 22:27:40 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:27:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: problem with Hotmail subscribers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030921150012.07190de8@mail.thcwd.com> Jeff D wrote: >One of my list subscribers on Hotmail is complaining he isn't receiving >messages from the list(s). Is there any settings to change on the server >end so that messages get through, or is it all a matter of his preferences >and MSN/Hotmail SPAM filters being too aggressive? I run test accounts on Yahoo, HotMail and AOL, they all can get mail if the user goes about it right. For HotMail if it's showing as spam it will be in his "Junk Mail" folder. He can go there, highlight one of them, and click on "". Which of the choices to take next depends on the list settings. For an announcement list the top "I want to add..." option may work better, especially if you have list personalization turned on. For a two way list the second "This message is from a mailing list..." option is better. <>< Paul From david.nospam at netcabo.pt Mon Sep 22 01:07:02 2003 From: david.nospam at netcabo.pt (David Morgado) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:07:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce-only list Howto In-Reply-To: <3F6B8018.9030200@netcabo.pt> References: <3F6B8018.9030200@netcabo.pt> Message-ID: <3F6E2F16.8050403@netcabo.pt> Ok I read the Faq, can anyone tell me where can I find the option to add an Aproved header. Thanks David Morgado wrote: > Hi, what's the best way to setup a announce-only list, I have made a few > things in configuration web page but the best I can get is to have all > messages from a certain e-mail address to be placed on hold for > approval. Is there a way o have those messages from that address to be > immediately approved while avoiding e-mail address spoofing (easy thing > to do). > I'm using Debian GNU/Linux testing (Sarge) on a i386 machine > > mailman 2.1.2-7 > postfix 1.1.11.0-3 > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: david.nospam at netcabo.pt > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/david.nospam%40netcabo.pt > > From claw at kanga.nu Mon Sep 22 01:09:28 2003 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:09:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce-only list Howto In-Reply-To: Message from David Morgado of "Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:07:02 BST." <3F6E2F16.8050403@netcabo.pt> References: <3F6B8018.9030200@netcabo.pt> <3F6E2F16.8050403@netcabo.pt> Message-ID: <32254.1064185768@kanga.nu> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:07:02 +0100 David Morgado wrote: > Ok I read the Faq, can anyone tell me where can I find the option to > add an Aproved header. Your MUA. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From david.nospam at netcabo.pt Mon Sep 22 01:14:48 2003 From: david.nospam at netcabo.pt (David Morgado) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:14:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce-only list Howto In-Reply-To: <32254.1064185768@kanga.nu> References: <3F6B8018.9030200@netcabo.pt> <3F6E2F16.8050403@netcabo.pt> <32254.1064185768@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <3F6E30E8.7030704@netcabo.pt> J C Lawrence wrote: >On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:07:02 +0100 >David Morgado wrote: > > > >>Ok I read the Faq, can anyone tell me where can I find the option to >>add an Aproved header. >> >> > >Your MUA. > > That was not what I meant sorry. What I meant was in mailman options, is there a way to add a Approved header so that it can work like a signature? thanks From claw at kanga.nu Mon Sep 22 02:22:01 2003 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:22:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce-only list Howto In-Reply-To: Message from David Morgado of "Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:14:48 BST." <3F6E30E8.7030704@netcabo.pt> References: <3F6B8018.9030200@netcabo.pt> <3F6E2F16.8050403@netcabo.pt> <32254.1064185768@kanga.nu> <3F6E30E8.7030704@netcabo.pt> Message-ID: <981.1064190121@kanga.nu> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:14:48 +0100 David Morgado wrote: > J C Lawrence wrote: > That was not what I meant sorry. What I meant was in mailman options, > is there a way to add a Approved header so that it can work like a > signature? Mind explaining your question a bit more? -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From david.nospam at netcabo.pt Mon Sep 22 02:44:24 2003 From: david.nospam at netcabo.pt (David Morgado) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:44:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce-only list Howto In-Reply-To: <981.1064190121@kanga.nu> References: <3F6B8018.9030200@netcabo.pt> <3F6E2F16.8050403@netcabo.pt> <32254.1064185768@kanga.nu> <3F6E30E8.7030704@netcabo.pt> <981.1064190121@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <3F6E45E8.3060304@netcabo.pt> I'm sorry perhaps I miss understood the FAQ where it says: (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=announce&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search) (...) How to post to the announcement list: (...) A more secure alternative is for your approved posters to add an Approved header to their postings as a header, or as the first line of the post). I mean how do I configure mailman to auto aprove a mail to the announce-only list, so that any message with "an Approved header" (as stated in the FAQ) is not held for approval. Well is this possible, how do I do it with mailman 2.1.2? mailman 2.1.2-7 (debian sarge) Thanks J C Lawrence wrote: >On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:14:48 +0100 >David Morgado wrote: > > >>J C Lawrence wrote: >> >> > > > >>That was not what I meant sorry. What I meant was in mailman options, >>is there a way to add a Approved header so that it can work like a >>signature? >> >> > >Mind explaining your question a bit more? > > > From david.nospam at netcabo.pt Mon Sep 22 02:53:36 2003 From: david.nospam at netcabo.pt (David Morgado) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:53:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making Announcement Only List In-Reply-To: <200309211558.h8LFwSwi002821@cdm01.deedsmiscentral.net> References: <200309211558.h8LFwSwi002821@cdm01.deedsmiscentral.net> Message-ID: <3F6E4810.2080406@netcabo.pt> >Also, I recently made some list configuration changes through >the cgi-bin admin, now the list doesn't show up under the list of >mailing lists. How can I rectify this situation? In mailman 2.1.2 I have: In *Privacy options:* Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine? Set it to yes (Edit *advertised*) I don't know about 2.0.13 but this should help you to get there. SoloCDM wrote: >I viewed the FAQs and found the information for making announcement >only lists to be outdated. I'm using Mailman 2.0.13 for Mandrake >and I need the list only for announcements. > >Also, I recently made some list configuration changes through >the cgi-bin admin, now the list doesn't show up under the list of >mailing lists. How can I rectify this situation? > > > From enno at despammed.com Mon Sep 22 10:58:13 2003 From: enno at despammed.com (Enno Rehling) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:58:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject non-subscriber postings Message-ID: I want to automatically reject non-subscriber postings, to save administration costs. There is a patch out somewhere for mailman 2.0 that we used, and I was hoping that 2.1 might not need to be patched again, but haven't found an option yet - is there an option to auto-reject? Is it being planned? If not, is there a patch for 2.1 that will let me do this? Enno. -- Conway's Law: Organizations which design systems are constrained to produce designs which are copies of the communication structures of these organizations -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 261 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030922/e114bab7/attachment.pgp From david.nospam at netcabo.pt Mon Sep 22 11:26:27 2003 From: david.nospam at netcabo.pt (David Morgado) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:26:27 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject non-subscriber postings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F6EC043.6090709@netcabo.pt> 2.1.2 has that option. Enno Rehling wrote: > I want to automatically reject non-subscriber postings, to save > administration costs. > > There is a patch out somewhere for mailman 2.0 that we used, and I was > hoping that 2.1 might not need to be patched again, but haven't found > an option yet - is there an option to auto-reject? Is it being > planned? If not, is there a patch for 2.1 that will let me do this? > > Enno. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: david.nospam at netcabo.pt >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/david.nospam%40netcabo.pt > > From enno at despammed.com Mon Sep 22 11:31:12 2003 From: enno at despammed.com (Enno Rehling) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:31:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PGP/Mime Message-ID: Mailman seems to re-wrap MIME messages in a way that destroys OpenPGP/Mime signed messages (see my own messages to this list). Is there any way I can fix that through a different configuration? For more details, see the bugreport at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&func=detail&aid=803045 -- Conway's Law: Organizations which design systems are constrained to produce designs which are copies of the communication structures of these organizations -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 261 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030922/b6839b21/attachment.pgp From jam at jamux.com Mon Sep 22 14:11:13 2003 From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:11:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PGP/Mime In-Reply-To: (Enno Rehling's message of "Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:31:12 +0200") References: Message-ID: <87brtd58gu.fsf@athene.jamux.com> >>>>> "Enno" == Enno Rehling >>>>> "[Mailman-Users] PGP/Mime" >>>>> Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:31:12 +0200 Enno> Mailman seems to re-wrap MIME messages in a way that Enno> destroys OpenPGP/Mime signed messages (see my own messages Enno> to this list). Is there any way I can fix that through a Enno> different configuration? Enno> For more details, see the bugreport at Enno> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&func=detail&aid=803045 The message I am responding to verified just fine for me and does not resemble the description in the bug report. This here message is PGP/MIME signed although I normally sign messages to this list "in-line". I guess it is time to change my practice. jam -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 154 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030922/be2d97ed/attachment.pgp From fthommen at inf.ethz.ch Mon Sep 22 17:06:28 2003 From: fthommen at inf.ethz.ch (Frank Thommen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:06:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default action for anti-spam filter catched mails? Message-ID: <3F6F0FF4.F34037DE@inf.ethz.ch> Hi, several possibilities to get rid of held messages (javascripts, cronjobs, procmail solutions etc.) have been proposed on this list and of the FAQs. However I cannot find any solution, that allows me to define a default action (accept/hold/reject/discard) for mails held by the anti-spam filters (bounce_matching_headers) as this is e.g. possible for the sender filters (generic_nonmember_action). Has anybody a patch for mailman 2.1.2, that allows to define such an action on a list by list basis via the web interface (if possible)? That would allow us to immediately delete e.g. all mails tagged by SpamAssassin (most of our list admins want to do that) w/o any additional activity. Thanks a lot for any help frank ** Problems, questions, feedback? Mail to support at inf.ethz.ch ** ---------- Frank Thommen, Informatik Support Gruppe, D-INFK, ETH Zuerich E-Mail: fthommen at inf.ethz.ch; Tel: +41-1-63 27208 (Mo-Do) Web: http://www.isg.inf.ethz.ch ---------- From jdecarlo at mitre.org Mon Sep 22 17:42:51 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce-only list Howto In-Reply-To: <3F6E45E8.3060304@netcabo.pt> References: <3F6B8018.9030200@netcabo.pt> <3F6E2F16.8050403@netcabo.pt> <32254.1064185768@kanga.nu> <3F6E30E8.7030704@netcabo.pt> <981.1064190121@kanga.nu> <3F6E45E8.3060304@netcabo.pt> Message-ID: <3F6F187B.3040005@mitre.org> David, This is built into Mailman. No need to configure it at all. Of course the format of the Approved header is: Approved: So you need to set up passwords for the moderators and/or the list. And whether you can add the line as a header or whether you have to make it the first line of text in your message is dependent on the email client (MUA) that you are using. Hope this helps. David Morgado wrote: > I'm sorry perhaps I miss understood the FAQ where it says: > (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=announce&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search) > > (...) > How to post to the announcement list: > > (...) A more secure alternative is for your > approved posters to add an Approved header to their postings as a > header, or as the first line of the post). > > I mean how do I configure mailman to auto aprove a mail to the > announce-only list, so that any message with "an Approved header" (as > stated in the FAQ) is not held for approval. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jdecarlo at mitre.org Mon Sep 22 17:57:32 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:57:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: HTML email problem In-Reply-To: <992ACBFA3CE91A43B971DB44616720F4297B55@exch01.mtshostservices.pri> References: <992ACBFA3CE91A43B971DB44616720F4297B55@exch01.mtshostservices.pri> Message-ID: <3F6F1BEC.80707@mitre.org> David, Your Mailman settings seem correct for not stripping out HTML. Have you confirmed that other users on your Debian machine get the HTML mail correctly (your statement isn't clear on this)? I suspect something else besides Mailman is involved. Also, you might want to check the aliases for Mailman within qmail. There could be a preprocessing filter in there. David Wilson wrote: > Dear Mailman Users, > > I have setup mailman on a Debian woody machine with qmail. Everything > seems to be working correctly except for a few small details. The main > issue I am having right now is detailed below. The user is attempting > to send an HTML formatted email to the list. The received email looks > nothing like the sent item, It looks like the HTML has been striped. > This puzzles me because it looks like the command it uses to strip is > lynx -dump, and lynx is not installed on the machine. I have verified > that the original message is viewable as an html message when not sent > through mailman. > How do I make HTML email arrive intact? John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From simon at meru.org.uk Mon Sep 22 18:08:48 2003 From: simon at meru.org.uk (Simon Judge) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:08:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the Acknowledgment Message-ID: I am trying to change mailman's acknowledgement email on joining a group - so I can use it for a newsletter. I followed the FAQ here: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp But with no suceess. Any ideas? Also, how do you change the acknowledgement e-mail's title? (MM version 2.0.13) Simon From jdecarlo at mitre.org Mon Sep 22 18:29:36 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:29:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the Acknowledgment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F6F2370.5090004@mitre.org> Simon, 1. The FAQ applies to Mailman 2.1.x, you say you are using 2.0.13. 2. I think for 2.0.13 you can only make changes globally, by editing the files in /templates/en. 3. Just in case it helps, the FAQ is a little unclear, let me quote: In Mailman 2.1.x you can customize the welcome message. Create a directory lists//en (assuming English :) and copy templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory. Then edit this file for your specific wording. Mailman will use this specialized template for the English welcome messages. The directory /lists/ should already exist. You are creating a new subdirectory for your language, presumably "en". Then any files that you copied from /templates/en to /lists//en and edited, should affect the behavior of that list. Simon Judge wrote: > I am trying to change mailman's acknowledgement email on joining a group > - so I can use it for a newsletter. > > I followed the FAQ here: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp > > But with no suceess. > > Any ideas? > > Also, how do you change the acknowledgement e-mail's title? > > (MM version 2.0.13) > > Simon -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From simon at meru.org.uk Mon Sep 22 18:39:36 2003 From: simon at meru.org.uk (Simon Judge) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:39:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the Acknowledgment Message-ID: Thanks John - I'll try upgrading then... (-: Simon > -----Original Message----- > From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org] > Sent: 22 September 2003 17:30 > To: Simon Judge > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing the Acknowledgment > > > Simon, > > 1. The FAQ applies to Mailman 2.1.x, you say you are using 2.0.13. > > 2. I think for 2.0.13 you can only make changes globally, by editing > the files in /templates/en. > > 3. Just in case it helps, the FAQ is a little unclear, let me quote: > > In Mailman 2.1.x you can customize the welcome message. Create > a directory lists//en (assuming English :) and copy > templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory. Then edit this file > for your specific wording. Mailman will use this specialized > template for the English welcome messages. > > The directory /lists/ should already > exist. You > are creating a new subdirectory for your language, presumably "en". > > Then any files that you copied from /templates/en to > /lists//en and edited, should affect the > behavior of that list. > > > > Simon Judge wrote: > > > I am trying to change mailman's acknowledgement email on > joining a group > > - so I can use it for a newsletter. > > > > I followed the FAQ here: > > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp > > > > But with no suceess. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Also, how do you change the acknowledgement e-mail's title? > > > > (MM version 2.0.13) > > > > Simon > > -- > > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > > > From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Sep 22 18:51:58 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:51:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the Acknowledgment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <149D8D46-ED1D-11D7-A039-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 05:39 pm, Simon Judge wrote: > Thanks John - I'll try upgrading then... > > (-: > > Simon > > Just a couple of points to watch; 1. There is a bug in MM 2.1.2 which can foul up the handling of the the template hierarchy, particularly if you have list specific templates. The fix is in the MM CVS (which why the bug report and fix are shown as being closed) and should appear in MM 2.1.3. But until it does you can get and apply the following patch to the MM 2.1.2 source, before you configure and install, to correct the problem: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/ index.php?func=detail&aid=730769&group_id=103&atid=100103 2. Because the MM 2.1.2 qrunners are daemons and not cron jobs (as in 2.0.13) you may have to restart them using the mailmanctl program that comes with MM 2.1.2. This is because, for performance reasons, the templates are cached within the qrunners when they are first used and once cached for any given list they are not reloaded; hence, changes to the templates on disk may pass unnoticed by the qrunner and any changes you make may appear to be ignored. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org] >> Sent: 22 September 2003 17:30 >> To: Simon Judge >> Cc: mailman-users at python.org >> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing the Acknowledgment >> >> >> Simon, >> >> 1. The FAQ applies to Mailman 2.1.x, you say you are using 2.0.13. >> >> 2. I think for 2.0.13 you can only make changes globally, by editing >> the files in /templates/en. >> >> 3. Just in case it helps, the FAQ is a little unclear, let me quote: >> >> In Mailman 2.1.x you can customize the welcome message. Create >> a directory lists//en (assuming English :) and copy >> templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory. Then edit this file >> for your specific wording. Mailman will use this specialized >> template for the English welcome messages. >> >> The directory /lists/ should already >> exist. You >> are creating a new subdirectory for your language, presumably "en". >> >> Then any files that you copied from /templates/en to >> /lists//en and edited, should affect the >> behavior of that list. >> >> >> >> Simon Judge wrote: >> >>> I am trying to change mailman's acknowledgement email on >> joining a group >>> - so I can use it for a newsletter. >>> >>> I followed the FAQ here: >>> >> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp >>> >>> But with no suceess. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Also, how do you change the acknowledgement e-mail's title? >>> >>> (MM version 2.0.13) >>> >>> Simon >> >> -- >> >> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > From david.nospam at netcabo.pt Mon Sep 22 19:27:06 2003 From: david.nospam at netcabo.pt (David Morgado) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:27:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce-only list Howto In-Reply-To: <3F6F187B.3040005@mitre.org> References: <3F6B8018.9030200@netcabo.pt> <3F6E2F16.8050403@netcabo.pt> <32254.1064185768@kanga.nu> <3F6E30E8.7030704@netcabo.pt> <981.1064190121@kanga.nu> <3F6E45E8.3060304@netcabo.pt> <3F6F187B.3040005@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3F6F30EA.3080603@netcabo.pt> Ok thanks I'll give it a try... John DeCarlo wrote: > David, > > This is built into Mailman. No need to configure it at all. > > Of course the format of the Approved header is: Approved: > So you need to set up passwords for the moderators and/or the list. > > And whether you can add the line as a header or whether you have to > make it the first line of text in your message is dependent on the > email client (MUA) that you are using. > > Hope this helps. > > David Morgado wrote: > >> I'm sorry perhaps I miss understood the FAQ where it says: >> (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=announce&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search) >> >> (...) >> How to post to the announcement list: >> >> (...) A more secure alternative is for your >> approved posters to add an Approved header to their postings as a >> header, or as the first line of the post). >> >> I mean how do I configure mailman to auto aprove a mail to the >> announce-only list, so that any message with "an Approved header" (as >> stated in the FAQ) is not held for approval. > > From sweet at sfos.uaf.edu Mon Sep 22 20:09:50 2003 From: sweet at sfos.uaf.edu (Steve Sweet) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:09:50 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] monster created! untangling many lists with many subscribers? Message-ID: <1064254190.3f6f3aeeb066f@topcat.sfos.uaf.edu> We've been using mailman for several months now, and both we (the administrators) and they (the users) have been happy with it. So much so in fact, that we have now been asked to create so many different lists its become an administrative nightmare. I'm hoping someone more experienced will have suggestions on how to tame the monster we've created. We're running mailing lists for one school within a university. The school has several hundred subscribers (personnel) split amongst faculty, staff and students, a number of different institutes and programs, all spread over 6 different geographic locations. There are members of each institute at each location. There are members of each program at each location, and within each institute. Each location, institute and program has faculty, staff, and students. We have been asked to create a list for essentially every different permutation; all faculty, all faculty at location A, all faculty at location A in program B, all faculty at location A in institute B and program C, all staff ... you get the point. This is an enormous mess of lists and keeping up with them is tedious and time consuming. Relying on the users to adminster themselves helps somewhat -- the students are generally good at it -- but the staff are not and the faculty are hopeless. The administration has been clear that we need to make sure the list memberships are kept up to date since vital notices go out via the lists. Any suggestions before I pull whats left of my hair out? ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From david.nospam at netcabo.pt Mon Sep 22 20:59:51 2003 From: david.nospam at netcabo.pt (David Morgado) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:59:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] monster created! untangling many lists with many subscribers? In-Reply-To: <1064254190.3f6f3aeeb066f@topcat.sfos.uaf.edu> References: <1064254190.3f6f3aeeb066f@topcat.sfos.uaf.edu> Message-ID: <3F6F46A7.6090403@netcabo.pt> Well I'm new with mailman, but I think the best you can do is create a list for each different categories and then create umbrella lists with the different permutation you need. It's the best I can think of., perhaps someone with far more experience than me can help... Good luck :-) Steve Sweet wrote: >We've been using mailman for several months now, and both we (the >administrators) and they (the users) have been happy with it. So much so in >fact, that we have now been asked to create so many different lists its become >an administrative nightmare. I'm hoping someone more experienced will have >suggestions on how to tame the monster we've created. > >We're running mailing lists for one school within a university. The school has >several hundred subscribers (personnel) split amongst faculty, staff and >students, a number of different institutes and programs, all spread over 6 >different geographic locations. There are members of each institute at each >location. There are members of each program at each location, and within each >institute. Each location, institute and program has faculty, staff, and students. > >We have been asked to create a list for essentially every different permutation; > all faculty, all faculty at location A, all faculty at location A in program B, >all faculty at location A in institute B and program C, all staff ... you get >the point. > >This is an enormous mess of lists and keeping up with them is tedious and time >consuming. Relying on the users to adminster themselves helps somewhat -- the >students are generally good at it -- but the staff are not and the faculty are >hopeless. The administration has been clear that we need to make sure the list >memberships are kept up to date since vital notices go out via the lists. > >Any suggestions before I pull whats left of my hair out? > >------------------------------------------------- >This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: david.nospam at netcabo.pt >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/david.nospam%40netcabo.pt > > > From david.nospam at netcabo.pt Mon Sep 22 21:26:46 2003 From: david.nospam at netcabo.pt (David Morgado) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:26:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce-only list Howto In-Reply-To: <3F6F30EA.3080603@netcabo.pt> References: <3F6B8018.9030200@netcabo.pt> <3F6E2F16.8050403@netcabo.pt> <32254.1064185768@kanga.nu> <3F6E30E8.7030704@netcabo.pt> <981.1064190121@kanga.nu> <3F6E45E8.3060304@netcabo.pt> <3F6F187B.3040005@mitre.org> <3F6F30EA.3080603@netcabo.pt> Message-ID: <3F6F4CF6.5080400@netcabo.pt> Ok it works very well with mozilla mail, but only with plain text messages. With HTML ones I put that Approved thing in there and select to send as HTML only and it doesn't work. But if I chose HTML and Plain text well it is accepted but only in the plain text par the approved thing is removed in the html no witch is very very bad. Perhaps some other MUA can solve the problem by allowing editing the html and plain text separately, but don't know of any. Solutions anyone? Thanks David Morgado wrote: > Ok thanks I'll give it a try... > > John DeCarlo wrote: > >> David, >> >> This is built into Mailman. No need to configure it at all. >> >> Of course the format of the Approved header is: Approved: >> So you need to set up passwords for the moderators and/or the list. >> >> And whether you can add the line as a header or whether you have to >> make it the first line of text in your message is dependent on the >> email client (MUA) that you are using. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> David Morgado wrote: >> >>> I'm sorry perhaps I miss understood the FAQ where it says: >>> (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=announce&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search) >>> >>> (...) >>> How to post to the announcement list: >>> >>> (...) A more secure alternative is for your >>> approved posters to add an Approved header to their postings as a >>> header, or as the first line of the post). >>> >>> I mean how do I configure mailman to auto aprove a mail to the >>> announce-only list, so that any message with "an Approved header" >>> (as stated in the FAQ) is not held for approval. >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: david.nospam at netcabo.pt > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/david.nospam%40netcabo.pt > > From mhensley at gofcc.org Mon Sep 22 21:35:28 2003 From: mhensley at gofcc.org (Michael D. Hensley) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:35:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman user on RedHat 9.0 Message-ID: <332A9921F6C0034E92682A91F55022BB9DC6D8@fccmail.gofcc.org> I asked: > I'm attempting to use Mailman on RedHat Linux 9.0. I installed it as > part of the initial installation of RedHat, via the RPM that came on > the CD. [additional details deleted] John Carnes responded (thanks!): > Did you startup the Mailman daemon: /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start > > Your log trace shows that your mail is being delivered to > Mailman. So your aliases are setup properly and working. Attempts to start the Mailman daemon give the following error messages: [root at sl101 root]# /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main check_privs() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found [root at sl101 root]# ...which is the same error I get when I try "/bin/check_perms". I don't know python (a situation which I intend to remedy soon), but this appears to be doing a "getgrnam" to make sure the MAILMAN_GROUP is (I'm guessing) in /etc/group? There is a line in /etc/group that contains mailnam:x:41: The "mailman" entry in /etc/passwd look like this: mailman:x:41:41:GNU Mailing List Manager:/var/mailman:/bin/false Any further suggestions? Thanks! --- Michael D. Hensley IT Supervisor Fremont Community Church From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Sep 22 22:08:17 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:08:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman user on RedHat 9.0 In-Reply-To: <332A9921F6C0034E92682A91F55022BB9DC6D8@fccmail.gofcc.org> Message-ID: <818E389F-ED38-11D7-A039-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 08:35 pm, Michael D. Hensley wrote: > I asked: > >> I'm attempting to use Mailman on RedHat Linux 9.0. I installed it as >> part of the initial installation of RedHat, via the RPM that came on >> the CD. > [additional details deleted] > > John Carnes responded (thanks!): > >> Did you startup the Mailman daemon: /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start >> >> Your log trace shows that your mail is being delivered to >> Mailman. So your aliases are setup properly and working. > > Attempts to start the Mailman daemon give the following error messages: > > [root at sl101 root]# /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? > main() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main > check_privs() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs > gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] > KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found > [root at sl101 root]# > > ...which is the same error I get when I try "/bin/check_perms". > > I don't know python (a situation which I intend to remedy soon), but > this appears to be doing a "getgrnam" to make sure the MAILMAN_GROUP is > (I'm guessing) in /etc/group? There is a line in /etc/group that > contains > mailnam:x:41: > > The "mailman" entry in /etc/passwd look like this: > > mailman:x:41:41:GNU Mailing List Manager:/var/mailman:/bin/false > > Any further suggestions? > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg18532.html may be relevant > Thanks! > > --- > Michael D. Hensley > IT Supervisor > Fremont Community Church ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Sep 22 22:18:45 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Sep 2003 16:18:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman user on RedHat 9.0 In-Reply-To: <332A9921F6C0034E92682A91F55022BB9DC6D8@fccmail.gofcc.org> References: <332A9921F6C0034E92682A91F55022BB9DC6D8@fccmail.gofcc.org> Message-ID: <1064261925.4752.12.camel@Anncons4> Here is a repost of my "So you want to use the Default Mailman install that comes with RH9..." post: Note: my server's name is "list.anncons.org" so I use that for the host definitions below. You should use your hosts name. Put the following in your /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file: MAILMAN_USER = 'mailman' MAILMAN_GROUP = 'mailman' Also you will need to put in your hosts real domain name: #DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'porky.devel.redhat.com' #DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'porky.devel.redhat.com' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'list.anncons.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'list.anncons.org' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' Lord knows what the Mailman packager for RedHat was smoking the day he did this RPM... To set Mailmanctl to start on reboot, use the chkconfig utility (or you could use the Services gui that comes in the System Settings/Server Settings menu). chkconfig --list mailman mailman 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off chkconfig --level 345 mailman on # this will turn the mailman daemon on automatically when the server is booted. Good luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 15:35, Michael D. Hensley wrote: > I asked: > > > I'm attempting to use Mailman on RedHat Linux 9.0. I installed it as > > part of the initial installation of RedHat, via the RPM that came on > > the CD. > [additional details deleted] > > John Carnes responded (thanks!): > > > Did you startup the Mailman daemon: /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start > > > > Your log trace shows that your mail is being delivered to > > Mailman. So your aliases are setup properly and working. > > Attempts to start the Mailman daemon give the following error messages: > > [root at sl101 root]# /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? > main() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main > check_privs() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs > gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] > KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found > [root at sl101 root]# > > ...which is the same error I get when I try "/bin/check_perms". > > I don't know python (a situation which I intend to remedy soon), but > this appears to be doing a "getgrnam" to make sure the MAILMAN_GROUP is > (I'm guessing) in /etc/group? There is a line in /etc/group that > contains > mailnam:x:41: > > The "mailman" entry in /etc/passwd look like this: > > mailman:x:41:41:GNU Mailing List Manager:/var/mailman:/bin/false > > Any further suggestions? > > Thanks! > > --- > Michael D. Hensley > IT Supervisor > Fremont Community Church > > From morgan at hahaha.org Mon Sep 22 22:37:40 2003 From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:37:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] '^.$' causing truncated digests Message-ID: <87he34sgob.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> We're running mailman 2.0.8 & python 2.0.1 on a netbsd 1.6 box. Digests are getting truncated "early" when a message containing a single period ('^.$') is encountered. Is this bug fixed in a later mailman release? Please let me know if I've left any necessary information out of this message, and I'll follow up. Thanks, Morgan From morgan at hahaha.org Mon Sep 22 22:49:18 2003 From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:49:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] '^.$' causing truncated digests In-Reply-To: <87he34sgob.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> (Morgan Fletcher's message of "Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:37:40 -0700") References: <87he34sgob.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Message-ID: <87y8wgr1kh.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Morgan Fletcher writes: > We're running mailman 2.0.8 & python 2.0.1 on a netbsd 1.6 box. Digests are > getting truncated "early" when a message containing a single period ('^.$') > is encountered. > > Is this bug fixed in a later mailman release? > > Please let me know if I've left any necessary information out of this > message, and I'll follow up. My friend Herb pointed out: .... like using Postfix as the MTA, and SMTP as the transport as per Defaults.py.. Also, not a message with a single period, but a message ending in a line containing only a period. Morgan -- VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV >> Morgan Fletcher 63 FJ40, 76 FJ55, 94 FJ80 TLCA #5973, Oakland, CA << >> Illegitimi non carborundum http://www.birfield.com/~morgan << From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Sep 22 23:07:22 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Sep 2003 17:07:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] monster created! untangling many lists with many subscribers? In-Reply-To: <1064254190.3f6f3aeeb066f@topcat.sfos.uaf.edu> References: <1064254190.3f6f3aeeb066f@topcat.sfos.uaf.edu> Message-ID: <1064264842.5049.14.camel@Anncons4> Sounds like maintaining centralized administration is going to be to hard. With Mailman 2.1 you have the power to give away the administration of various lists to other users (or administrative assistants). Each School and Institute must have some worthy admin or assistant that works there and is knowledgeable about the personnel. And since you don't have to be a genius to maintain the users lists via the web, it should be easy for that individual to maintain the lists specific to that venue. You might want to setup a policy stating that no mailing lists will be created/setup without an appropriate administrator being assigned first. That administrator is responsible for overseeing the membership of the list and formalizing any requested changes to its format. Part of the design of Mailman 2.1 is to allow you to share the burden. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 14:09, Steve Sweet wrote: > We've been using mailman for several months now, and both we (the > administrators) and they (the users) have been happy with it. So much so in > fact, that we have now been asked to create so many different lists its become > an administrative nightmare. I'm hoping someone more experienced will have > suggestions on how to tame the monster we've created. > > We're running mailing lists for one school within a university. The school has > several hundred subscribers (personnel) split amongst faculty, staff and > students, a number of different institutes and programs, all spread over 6 > different geographic locations. There are members of each institute at each > location. There are members of each program at each location, and within each > institute. Each location, institute and program has faculty, staff, and students. > > We have been asked to create a list for essentially every different permutation; > all faculty, all faculty at location A, all faculty at location A in program B, > all faculty at location A in institute B and program C, all staff ... you get > the point. > > This is an enormous mess of lists and keeping up with them is tedious and time > consuming. Relying on the users to adminster themselves helps somewhat -- the > students are generally good at it -- but the staff are not and the faculty are > hopeless. The administration has been clear that we need to make sure the list > memberships are kept up to date since vital notices go out via the lists. > > Any suggestions before I pull whats left of my hair out? > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From saurav at sas.upenn.edu Mon Sep 22 23:15:49 2003 From: saurav at sas.upenn.edu (Saurav Pathak) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:15:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman+spamassassin Message-ID: <20030922211549.GA6826@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> Maybe this isn't strictly a mailman problem, but I am hoping someone here has a solution. I use spamassassin to pre-filter mails, before passing them on to mailman. this i do by running spamassassin from a procmail file, and then catching the spam in mailman from the spamassassin added header, just as suggested in the mailman faq. i am using mailman 2.0.13, and cannot use the spamassassin plugin for mailman. i wanted to upgrade spamassassin. instead of upgrading the world copy, i decided to install spamassassin for a single user, and then use that copy to test the upgrade. the problem is this: the new copy of spamassassin works for the single user, but not for mailman. why? (on the gtube test string). are there any permission issues? i cannot seem to figure it out. any suggestion would be much appreciated. -- saurav From mhensley at gofcc.org Mon Sep 22 23:55:24 2003 From: mhensley at gofcc.org (Michael D. Hensley) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:55:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrong host name Message-ID: <332A9921F6C0034E92682A91F55022BB9DC6FB@fccmail.gofcc.org> Using the information John Carnes posted (thanks!) I got mailman up and running on RedHat 9.0. I have one problem left. At some point, I was going to name the server "listserver.gofcc.org". However, I already had it set up in DNS, etc., as "intranet.gofcc.org", so I decided to stick with that. But, somewhere, it thinks it is "listserver.gofcc.org". What I means is, the headers in email messages sent by mailman include (among many others, of course): From: Reply-To: Sender: Errors-To: analog-news-bounces at listserver.gofcc.com Return-Path: I've been grep'ing around in /var/mailman to find out where this is configured, with no luck. Any suggestions/hints/clues/etc.? Thanks again! The responses I've gotten on this list have been very friendly and helpful! --- Michael D. Hensley IT Supervisor Fremont Community Church From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Sep 23 00:07:11 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:07:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrong host name In-Reply-To: <332A9921F6C0034E92682A91F55022BB9DC6FB@fccmail.gofcc.org> Message-ID: <1D673A11-ED49-11D7-A039-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 10:55 pm, Michael D. Hensley wrote: > Using the information John Carnes posted (thanks!) I got mailman up and > running on RedHat 9.0. > > I have one problem left. At some point, I was going to name the server > "listserver.gofcc.org". However, I already had it set up in DNS, etc., > as "intranet.gofcc.org", so I decided to stick with that. > > But, somewhere, it thinks it is "listserver.gofcc.org". What I means > is, > the headers in email messages sent by mailman include (among many > others, of course): > > From: > Reply-To: > Sender: > Errors-To: analog-news-bounces at listserver.gofcc.com > Return-Path: > > I've been grep'ing around in /var/mailman to find out where this is > configured, with no luck. Any suggestions/hints/clues/etc.? > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp may be relevant > Thanks again! The responses I've gotten on this list have been very > friendly and helpful! > > --- > Michael D. Hensley > IT Supervisor > Fremont Community Church From barry at python.org Tue Sep 23 00:32:19 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:32:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? Message-ID: <1064269938.1986.98.camel@anthem> I recently received a message about problems with Mailman and CPanel. I don't know anything about CPanel, or why Mailman and CPanel might not be working together, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be interested in helping to make sure this is still a viable solution. I know a lot of people use Mailman under CPanel, and I think that's a worthwhile thing to keep available. I'm perplexed by something the message said though: After many complaints, support at the host company said this: "Well, mailman has just released a statement that they will not support CPanel-based mailman installations anymore due to the fact that the CPanel developers have not correctly implemented their solution and causing it to fail, so there isn't much we can do either if both mailman an cpanel developers do not support it. CPanel will most likely be discontinuing it from all servers, too." There are many things I don't understand about this, but let's start with "mailman has just released a statement...". I'm pretty sure /I/ didn't release such a statement, so unless someone has hijacked or forged my address, I don't believe this is accurate. :) Does anybody know anything about this? I'd like to get the record corrected: I have nothing against supporting CPanel in principle, and I'd be willing to learn more about what the problems were, and if there was anything we could do in Mailman to make this combination continue to work. Cheers, -Barry From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Sep 23 00:49:22 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:49:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? In-Reply-To: <1064269938.1986.98.camel@anthem> Message-ID: <024C10B1-ED4F-11D7-8068-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 03:32 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > I recently received a message about problems with Mailman and CPanel. www.cpanel.net It's a commercial tool ($1500/CPU, roughly) for gui access to administration of things. Basically seems designed for the colo/hosting market. One of the tools they've built a widget for is Mailman. That widget seems broken on at least one site. > helping to make sure this is still a viable solution. I know a lot of > people use Mailman under CPanel, and I think that's a worthwhile thing > to keep available. I think, given it's a commercial product, that we don't have much responsibility ot make sure cpanel works, not unless they pay for us to support it. They've taken Mailman, attached their system to manage it, and so it's up to cpanel to make sure cpanel works. > I'm perplexed by something the message said though: > > After many complaints, support at the host company said this: > "Well, > mailman has just released a statement that they will not > support > CPanel-based mailman installations anymore so am I. Not sure who might have said that. I think the appropriate response is really "we have no relationship with cPanel, and so it's up to cpanel to make sure the product it sells works, and the Mailman team has never been involved with cpanel in any way" > > Does anybody know anything about this? I've seen people asking about it on ListOwners. I've kept my head down because I didn't know what you'd said/done, but it sort of sounds like it's either the cPanel folks trying to blame Mailman for its own problems, or an ISP trying to blame cPanel and/or mailman. I know we've never explicitly supported cPanel in the mailman projects. it seems like cPanel is the crew to bring this up with, not us. From barry at python.org Tue Sep 23 01:09:40 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:09:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? In-Reply-To: <024C10B1-ED4F-11D7-8068-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> References: <024C10B1-ED4F-11D7-8068-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> Message-ID: <1064272179.1986.123.camel@anthem> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 18:49, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > > Does anybody know anything about this? > > I've seen people asking about it on ListOwners. I've kept my head down > because I didn't know what you'd said/done, but it sort of sounds like > it's either the cPanel folks trying to blame Mailman for its own > problems, or an ISP trying to blame cPanel and/or mailman. I know we've > never explicitly supported cPanel in the mailman projects. it seems > like cPanel is the crew to bring this up with, not us. Ah, thanks for the info Chuq. I think you've got the right take on things, except that I'd add this: if the cPanel developers have specific issues with Mailman that are causing them problems, I'd be happy to hear about them, and if it makes sense, to address them. I also wouldn't turn down their money . Other than that, you're right, we really don't have any relationship with them, which is different than saying we're actively not supporting it anymore (not that we did in the first place :). -Barry From barry at python.org Tue Sep 23 01:25:33 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:25:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman & CPanel? In-Reply-To: <1064271762.2072.104.camel@homer.ecommerce-magic.com> References: <1064269938.1986.98.camel@anthem> <1064271762.2072.104.camel@homer.ecommerce-magic.com> Message-ID: <1064273133.1986.140.camel@anthem> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 19:02, Robert Anderson wrote: > I don't know the answer but is mailman really an out of the box solution > that is suitable for users without basic programming or linux sysadmin > skills? Because there are a lot of CPanel users in this category. Installation and setup definitely requires sysadmin guru status, but I think /use/ doesn't (or at least, shouldn't). There's still some things you can't do through the web, but we'll eventually support most of the more common things people would want to do. -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 23 02:34:09 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Sep 2003 20:34:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? In-Reply-To: <1064272179.1986.123.camel@anthem> References: <024C10B1-ED4F-11D7-8068-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <1064272179.1986.123.camel@anthem> Message-ID: <1064277249.5049.34.camel@Anncons4> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 19:09, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 18:49, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > > > > Does anybody know anything about this? > > > > I've seen people asking about it on ListOwners. I've kept my head down > > because I didn't know what you'd said/done, but it sort of sounds like > > it's either the cPanel folks trying to blame Mailman for its own > > problems, or an ISP trying to blame cPanel and/or mailman. I know we've > > never explicitly supported cPanel in the mailman projects. it seems > > like cPanel is the crew to bring this up with, not us. > > Ah, thanks for the info Chuq. I think you've got the right take on > things, except that I'd add this: if the cPanel developers have specific > issues with Mailman that are causing them problems, I'd be happy to hear > about them, and if it makes sense, to address them. I also wouldn't > turn down their money . > > Other than that, you're right, we really don't have any relationship > with them, which is different than saying we're actively not supporting > it anymore (not that we did in the first place :). > > -Barry > We've seen a lot of CPanel folks coming here for help. I basically delete those, since we can never help them. But a few times folks on the list have expressed that we can't help them; that could easily be interpreted as "Mailman won't support CPanel installs". One frustrating item that is expressed periodically is that CPanel won't open their source up. It would be nice if they would provide some sort of API or if they would release the source of their "Mailman widget" that controls Mailman - then we *could* help them. I'm very surprised that no one from CPanel has approached Barry or the developers-list yet. There is a lot broken with CPanel that could be made much better with some shared ideas. Jon Carnes From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Sep 23 02:33:43 2003 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:33:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman & CPanel? In-Reply-To: <1064273133.1986.140.camel@anthem> References: <1064269938.1986.98.camel@anthem> <1064271762.2072.104.camel@homer.ecommerce-magic.com> <1064273133.1986.140.camel@anthem> Message-ID: At 7:25 PM -0400 2003/09/22, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Installation and setup definitely requires sysadmin guru status, but I > think /use/ doesn't (or at least, shouldn't). There's still some things > you can't do through the web, but we'll eventually support most of the > more common things people would want to do. Guru status? Mrf? Okay, so we've gone to quite a bit more pain thanks to the way our apache2 chroot is set up, and someone else has done most of that work, but I've seen the mailman installation instructions and nothing there seems to be particularly difficult. Certainly not something that would require "guru" status. Have I missed something? -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From bob at nleaudio.com Tue Sep 23 03:17:02 2003 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:17:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? In-Reply-To: <1064277249.5049.34.camel@Anncons4> References: <024C10B1-ED4F-11D7-8068-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <1064272179.1986.123.camel@anthem> <1064277249.5049.34.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <20030923011702.M88632@nleaudio.com> Yeah, I totally agree. I looked at cpanel about a year or so ago. Tried it on a test server. The thing's config is just so screwy that I couldn't make (quick) sense of how they handled even just postfix, let alone mailman and all the virtual domains stuff. Definitely not "stock" installs of any of the programs bundled with them, or "stock" configs. And the fact that they are not open source makes me want to stay away even more. Bob ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Jon Carnes To: Barry Warsaw Sent: 22 Sep 2003 20:34:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? > On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 19:09, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 18:49, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > > > > > > Does anybody know anything about this? > > > > > > I've seen people asking about it on ListOwners. I've kept my head down > > > because I didn't know what you'd said/done, but it sort of sounds like > > > it's either the cPanel folks trying to blame Mailman for its own > > > problems, or an ISP trying to blame cPanel and/or mailman. I know we've > > > never explicitly supported cPanel in the mailman projects. it seems > > > like cPanel is the crew to bring this up with, not us. > > > > Ah, thanks for the info Chuq. I think you've got the right take on > > things, except that I'd add this: if the cPanel developers have specific > > issues with Mailman that are causing them problems, I'd be happy to hear > > about them, and if it makes sense, to address them. I also wouldn't > > turn down their money . > > > > Other than that, you're right, we really don't have any relationship > > with them, which is different than saying we're actively not supporting > > it anymore (not that we did in the first place :). > > > > -Barry > > > > We've seen a lot of CPanel folks coming here for help. I basically > delete those, since we can never help them. But a few times folks on > the list have expressed that we can't help them; that could easily be > interpreted as "Mailman won't support CPanel installs". > > One frustrating item that is expressed periodically is that CPanel won't > open their source up. It would be nice if they would provide some sort > of API or if they would release the source of their "Mailman widget" > that controls Mailman - then we *could* help them. > > I'm very surprised that no one from CPanel has approached Barry or > the developers-list yet. There is a lot broken with CPanel that > could be made much better with some shared ideas. > > Jon Carnes > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-Developers mailing list > Mailman-Developers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers ------- End of Original Message ------- From paul at thcwd.com Tue Sep 23 03:28:21 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:28:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030922202500.07307eb8@mail.thcwd.com> Barry Warsaw wrote: > I recently received a message about problems with Mailman and CPanel. And here I was thinking of moving from Ensim to CPanel. Am I correct in assuming that the problem is with the CPanel interface with Mailman, and I should be able to install Mailman myself and make it work just as I did with Ensim? In other words, can I make it work on a server with CPanel if I do an install that ignores CPanel. <>< Paul From paul at thcwd.com Tue Sep 23 03:33:54 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:33:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce-only list Howto In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030922203144.0725c688@mail.thcwd.com> David Morgado wrote: >Ok it works very well with mozilla mail, but only with plain text >messages. With HTML ones I put that Approved thing in there and select >to send as HTML only and it doesn't work. But if I chose HTML and Plain >text well it is accepted but only in the plain text par the approved >thing is removed in the html no witch is very very bad. Perhaps some >other MUA can solve the problem by allowing editing the html and plain >text separately, but don't know of any. Solutions anyone? I brought this up while back, and there was never a solution given. Basically the approved header and html do not work and play well together, and the header shows up in the resulting mail, giving everyone the admin password. <>< Paul From WSpivak at sbanetweb.com Tue Sep 23 04:33:36 2003 From: WSpivak at sbanetweb.com (Wayne Spivak) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:33:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Domains/URL problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <02e101c3817b$17972dd0$1900a8c0@PRESIDENT> I runnng mailman on a box with currently four domains. I've added four groups of these lines: VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'list.foo.com': 'list.foo.com'} <-- notice bracket add_virtualhost ('list.foo.com', 'list.foo.com') <-- notice paren I've tried to run withlist -r fix_url -l foo-list and then mailmanctl restart and I still get this error. On some of the lists I get the in-addr-arpa name for the url. Not even the box url. The mailman list is set to the box url. I hope I've explained this, its been a long tedious day. Any ideas? From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Sep 23 04:40:55 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:40:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? In-Reply-To: <20030923011702.M88632@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <5B432BD2-ED6F-11D7-8068-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> so perhaps the Mailman FAQ should have an item suggesting Cpanel users contact Cpanel for support? On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 06:17 PM, Bob Puff at NLE wrote: > Definitely not "stock" installs of any of the > programs bundled with them, or "stock" configs. From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Sep 23 04:42:54 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:42:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030922202500.07307eb8@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 06:28 PM, Paul H Byerly wrote: > Am I correct in assuming that the problem is with the CPanel > interface with Mailman No. All we really know is that Cpanel isn't working on one specific ISP. Whether that's CPanel's fault or the ISP's fault, or smoe other factor, we don't know, and we shouldn't assume. All we do know is that the Mailman crew isn't involved with CPanel, so once CPanel takes Mailman builds a tool to support it, we're out of the loop and can't really help. From abigail at webfavor.com Tue Sep 23 07:11:41 2003 From: abigail at webfavor.com (Abigail Marshall) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:11:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject non-subscriber postings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <112714119.20030922221141@webfavor.com> Hello Enno, Monday, September 22, 2003, 1:58:13 AM, you wrote: ER> I want to automatically reject non-subscriber postings, to save ER> administration costs. ER> There is a patch out somewhere for mailman 2.0 that we used, and I was ER> hoping that 2.1 might not need to be patched again, but haven't found an ER> option yet - is there an option to auto-reject? For 2.1.2 Under Privacy Options/Sender (your URL/mailman/admin/listname/privacy/sender): Scroll down to the bottom of the page to these two options: Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined. Either REJECT or DISCARD Should messages from non-members, which are automatically discarded, be forwarded to the list moderator? NO Hope this helps, Abigail From wheakory at isu.edu Tue Sep 23 07:15:01 2003 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:15:01 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost data files for filebase Message-ID: <3F6FD6D5.4020500@isu.edu> I'm going these errors in the error log for mailman 2.1 on RED HAT 9 , Python 2.2 Here's the errors Sep 22 23:02:47 2003 (26500) lost data files for filebase: 1064243291.09331+d473693c98d3d8d8b251c45f7b36ef47009afbc1 Sep 22 23:02:47 2003 (26500) lost data files for filebase: 1064243292.06778+eb8df709a22017653552825e42ddaadebc2ed27f Sep 22 23:02:47 2003 (26500) lost data files for filebase: 1064243296.583845+a33368a7b5929d3651a9857237d3b0bf73e47599 Sep 22 23:02:47 2003 (26500) lost data files for filebase: 1064243345.690969+cba1a653bc7c104a639147d8f5d68156d603db0f Sep 22 23:02:47 2003 (26500) lost data files for filebase: 1064243382.699338+ee1a8616c1dd74b2b38d6a5a00cbd900611aa4b6 Sep 22 23:02:47 2003 (26500) lost data files for filebase: 1064243559.031534+d70b87da87bd35dc7a8ed376b0914a447ed50284 Sep 22 23:02:47 2003 (26500) lost data files for filebase: 1064244308.556132+47da5be929c7e4895caa21e917fa4233352ee932 Sep 22 23:02:47 2003 (26500) lost data files for filebase: 1064244559.5556411+dc264fc752653b09650609afc700738a1b6ca57 Sep 22 23:02:47 2003 (26500) lost data files for filebase: 1064257065.58655+b5f6b7eb3a0808f81e3776ffa2dbcfed58318cad Sep 22 23:02:47 2003 (26500) lost data files for filebase: 1064288683.7312551+3d3abeb8c3649419b571a98a87f524e1d2ff667 From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Sep 23 08:13:24 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:13:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Domains/URL problem In-Reply-To: <02e101c3817b$17972dd0$1900a8c0@PRESIDENT> Message-ID: <0A016CA3-ED8D-11D7-A039-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 03:33 am, Wayne Spivak wrote: > I runnng mailman on a box with currently four domains. > > I've added four groups of these lines: > > VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'list.foo.com': 'list.foo.com'} <-- notice bracket > add_virtualhost ('list.foo.com', 'list.foo.com') <-- notice paren > > I've tried to run withlist -r fix_url -l foo-list and then mailmanctl > restart and I still get this error. > > On some of the lists I get the in-addr-arpa name for the url. Not even > the box url. The mailman list is set to the box url. > > I hope I've explained this, its been a long tedious day. > > Any ideas? > If you are supporting four virtual domains then you probably want to say the following in your mm_cfg.py, before restarting mailmanctl and using fix_url DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'box.mailhostname.tld' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'box.webhostname.tld' VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-1.tld', 'your.mailhostname-1.tld') add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-2.tld', 'your.mailhostname-2.tld') add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-3.tld', 'your.mailhostname-3.tld') add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-4.tld', 'your.mailhostname-4.tld') You could also check out the FAQ page: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From erecio at polywog.navpoint.com Tue Sep 23 08:30:00 2003 From: erecio at polywog.navpoint.com (E.M. Recio) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:30:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] manually adding entries to the archives Message-ID: <5BE66B90-ED8F-11D7-BA30-000393D87C76@polywog.navpoint.com> Is there a way to manually add entries to the list archives by appending text to the mailbox spool file? I noticed that the messages were being appended, but they aren't showing up on the webpage archives. ~E "There may still be two superpowers on the planet: the United States and world public opinion." -- Patrick E. Tyler From post349 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 23 09:06:56 2003 From: post349 at hotmail.com (Cathy Mann) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:06:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] b2ac08e0f82fbd31066d4cd7355e23b1e5f783e2 Message-ID: post349 at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From SpiritTlk at aol.com Tue Sep 23 09:15:27 2003 From: SpiritTlk at aol.com (SpiritTlk at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:15:27 EDT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list Message-ID: Hi there! I'm a totally clueless web owner who has been using free email mailing lists like listbot (in the past) and messagebot now. Does your program do the same thing? I send out bi-weekly messages to at least 1400 people. I have a Macintosh G3 with OS 9.1 Would your program work for me? Thanks! Ann Albers From WSpivak at sbanetweb.com Tue Sep 23 11:09:13 2003 From: WSpivak at sbanetweb.com (Wayne Spivak) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:09:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Domains/URL problem In-Reply-To: <0A016CA3-ED8D-11D7-A039-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <037101c381b2$5bf94350$1900a8c0@PRESIDENT> Thank you - that did the job! -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 2:13 AM To: Wayne Spivak Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Domains/URL problem On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 03:33 am, Wayne Spivak wrote: > I runnng mailman on a box with currently four domains. > > I've added four groups of these lines: > > VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'list.foo.com': 'list.foo.com'} <-- notice bracket > add_virtualhost ('list.foo.com', 'list.foo.com') <-- notice paren > > I've tried to run withlist -r fix_url -l foo-list and then mailmanctl > restart and I still get this error. > > On some of the lists I get the in-addr-arpa name for the url. Not > even the box url. The mailman list is set to the box url. > > I hope I've explained this, its been a long tedious day. > > Any ideas? > If you are supporting four virtual domains then you probably want to say the following in your mm_cfg.py, before restarting mailmanctl and using fix_url DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'box.mailhostname.tld' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'box.webhostname.tld' VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-1.tld', 'your.mailhostname-1.tld') add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-2.tld', 'your.mailhostname-2.tld') add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-3.tld', 'your.mailhostname-3.tld') add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-4.tld', 'your.mailhostname-4.tld') You could also check out the FAQ page: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From michael.bartlett at workshare.com Tue Sep 23 14:59:25 2003 From: michael.bartlett at workshare.com (Michael Bartlett) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:59:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] going nowhere?! Message-ID: <9D502012F159EC49A72697AE42455D4D04DA6C@ln1mail2> hi all, i've just started looking into getting mailman up and running. it appears that mailman was installed by redhat 8. i am aware that this version may be slightly out of date: [root at shiraz mail]# rpm -qa | grep mailman mailman-2.0.13-1 anyway. i'm running postfix and using virtual aliases. i was really battling to get this working: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-September/022370.html so i went for my own "cunning" solution whereby i do this ---- SNIP #/etc/postfix/virtual.internet geeks at domain.net geeks geeks-admin at domain.net geeks-admin geeks-request at domain.net geeks-request geeks-owner at domain.net geeks-admin ---- SNIP #/etc/postfix/aliases ## geeks mailing list ## created: 23-Sep-2003 mike geeks: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post geeks" geeks-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner geeks" geeks-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd geeks" geeks-owner: geeks-admin so that all seems to work per my /var/log/maillog when doing a reply on a web-requested subscription: Sep 23 13:50:03 shiraz postfix/local[8838]: 9C874A0570: to= >, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd geeks") so off the mail goes to the wrapper - but thats the last i ever see of it! nothing happens! i've looked in /var/log/mailman, but don't seem to see anything interesting there. any ideas as to whats going on here or where i could look for more information? cheers michael From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 23 15:05:20 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Sep 2003 09:05:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] manually adding entries to the archives In-Reply-To: <5BE66B90-ED8F-11D7-BA30-000393D87C76@polywog.navpoint.com> References: <5BE66B90-ED8F-11D7-BA30-000393D87C76@polywog.navpoint.com> Message-ID: <1064322320.2612.4.camel@Anncons4> Check out the Mailman command: ~mailman/bin/arch If you muck about with the mbox file manually, you'll need to run that command to modify the existing html archives. It also helps to delete the current html archives before running "arch" (arch can do this for you). Note: This will change the indexing of the messages for the html pages. If folks have saved links to some of your messages, they'll be surprised when those links bring up different messages after your running "arch". Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 02:30, E.M. Recio wrote: > Is there a way to manually add entries to the list archives by > appending text to the mailbox spool file? I noticed that the messages > were being appended, but they aren't showing up on the webpage archives. > > ~E > > "There may still be two superpowers on the planet: the United States > and world public opinion." -- Patrick E. Tyler > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 23 15:12:27 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Sep 2003 09:12:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] going nowhere?! In-Reply-To: <9D502012F159EC49A72697AE42455D4D04DA6C@ln1mail2> References: <9D502012F159EC49A72697AE42455D4D04DA6C@ln1mail2> Message-ID: <1064322747.2612.8.camel@Anncons4> I believe you will need to install the crontab for the user "mailman". If you do an "rpm -qi mailman" you should be able to read the notes from the folks who packaged the rpm. Most times they will point you to items you need to do on your own. Jon Carnes BTW: FAQ 3.14 should also be helpful. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 08:59, Michael Bartlett wrote: > hi all, > > i've just started looking into getting mailman up and running. it appears > that mailman was installed by redhat 8. i am aware that this version may be > slightly out of date: > [root at shiraz mail]# rpm -qa | grep mailman > mailman-2.0.13-1 > > anyway. > i'm running postfix and using virtual aliases. i was really battling to get > this working: > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-September/022370.html > > so i went for my own "cunning" solution whereby i do this > > ---- SNIP > #/etc/postfix/virtual.internet > geeks at domain.net geeks > geeks-admin at domain.net geeks-admin > geeks-request at domain.net > geeks-request > geeks-owner at domain.net geeks-admin > > ---- SNIP > #/etc/postfix/aliases > ## geeks mailing list > ## created: 23-Sep-2003 mike > geeks: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post geeks" > geeks-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner geeks" > geeks-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd geeks" > geeks-owner: geeks-admin > > so that all seems to work per my /var/log/maillog when doing a reply on a > web-requested subscription: > Sep 23 13:50:03 shiraz postfix/local[8838]: 9C874A0570: > to= >, > relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd > geeks") > > so off the mail goes to the wrapper - but thats the last i ever see of it! > nothing happens! i've looked in /var/log/mailman, but don't seem to see > anything interesting there. any ideas as to whats going on here or where i > could look for more information? > > cheers > michael > From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Sep 23 15:15:20 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:15:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] going nowhere?! In-Reply-To: <9D502012F159EC49A72697AE42455D4D04DA6C@ln1mail2> Message-ID: On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 01:59 pm, Michael Bartlett wrote: > hi all, > > i've just started looking into getting mailman up and running. it > appears > that mailman was installed by redhat 8. i am aware that this version > may be > slightly out of date: > [root at shiraz mail]# rpm -qa | grep mailman > mailman-2.0.13-1 > > anyway. > i'm running postfix and using virtual aliases. i was really battling > to get > this working: > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-September/ > 022370.html > 022370.html> > so i went for my own "cunning" solution whereby i do this > > ---- SNIP > #/etc/postfix/virtual.internet > geeks at domain.net geeks > geeks-admin at domain.net > geeks-admin > geeks-request at domain.net > geeks-request > geeks-owner at domain.net > geeks-admin > > ---- SNIP > #/etc/postfix/aliases > ## geeks mailing list > ## created: 23-Sep-2003 mike > geeks: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post geeks" > geeks-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner geeks" > geeks-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd geeks" > geeks-owner: geeks-admin > > so that all seems to work per my /var/log/maillog when doing a reply > on a > web-requested subscription: > Sep 23 13:50:03 shiraz postfix/local[8838]: 9C874A0570: > to= >, > relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd > geeks") > > so off the mail goes to the wrapper - but thats the last i ever see of > it! > nothing happens! i've looked in /var/log/mailman, but don't seem to see > anything interesting there. any ideas as to whats going on here or > where i > could look for more information? > > cheers > michael > Has the Mailman user's crontab been installed so that the qrunner is being run regularly to deal with incomong mail? If not, then you may find the incoming mail is accumulating in your $prefix/files directory. From michael.bartlett at workshare.com Tue Sep 23 15:31:41 2003 From: michael.bartlett at workshare.com (Michael Bartlett) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:31:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] going nowhere?! Message-ID: <9D502012F159EC49A72697AE42455D4D04DA6D@ln1mail2> thanks all, it was the crontab that wasn't installed! strangely this was not in the rpm -qi notes. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at ftel.co.uk] Sent: 23 September 2003 14:15 To: Michael Bartlett Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] going nowhere?! On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 01:59 pm, Michael Bartlett wrote: > hi all, > > i've just started looking into getting mailman up and running. it > appears > that mailman was installed by redhat 8. i am aware that this version > may be > slightly out of date: > [root at shiraz mail]# rpm -qa | grep mailman > mailman-2.0.13-1 > > anyway. > i'm running postfix and using virtual aliases. i was really battling > to get > this working: > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-September/ > 022370.html > 022370.html> > so i went for my own "cunning" solution whereby i do this > > ---- SNIP > #/etc/postfix/virtual.internet > geeks at domain.net geeks > geeks-admin at domain.net > geeks-admin > geeks-request at domain.net > geeks-request > geeks-owner at domain.net > geeks-admin > > ---- SNIP > #/etc/postfix/aliases > ## geeks mailing list > ## created: 23-Sep-2003 mike > geeks: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post geeks" > geeks-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner geeks" > geeks-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd geeks" > geeks-owner: geeks-admin > > so that all seems to work per my /var/log/maillog when doing a reply > on a > web-requested subscription: > Sep 23 13:50:03 shiraz postfix/local[8838]: 9C874A0570: > to= >, > relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd > geeks") > > so off the mail goes to the wrapper - but thats the last i ever see of > it! > nothing happens! i've looked in /var/log/mailman, but don't seem to see > anything interesting there. any ideas as to whats going on here or > where i > could look for more information? > > cheers > michael > Has the Mailman user's crontab been installed so that the qrunner is being run regularly to deal with incomong mail? If not, then you may find the incoming mail is accumulating in your $prefix/files directory. From mailman at bubblybabs.com Tue Sep 23 15:31:15 2003 From: mailman at bubblybabs.com (BubblyBabs Mailman-Users ML) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:31:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? References: Message-ID: <006d01c381d7$bb8fa190$0100a8c0@home> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuq Von Rospach" To: "Paul H Byerly" Cc: ; "Chuq Von Rospach" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? > > On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 06:28 PM, Paul H Byerly wrote: > > > Am I correct in assuming that the problem is with the CPanel > > interface with Mailman > > No. All we really know is that Cpanel isn't working on one specific > ISP. Whether that's CPanel's fault or the ISP's fault, or smoe other > factor, we don't know, and we shouldn't assume. All we do know is that > the Mailman crew isn't involved with CPanel, so once CPanel takes > Mailman builds a tool to support it, we're out of the loop and can't > really help. Hello, I'm one of the people having difficulty w/ mailman and cpanel... Mailman worked fine w/ cpanel... I now have cpanel v1.7 and mailman v2.1.2 ... I honestly don't know if my webhost upgraded cpanel or mailman or both (I don't recal the version numbers), I just know that all of a sudden I was unable to edit the HTML files... Thankfully the lists still work fine in all aspects, I just can't edit those HTML files... I sent the bug report to my webhost and I also sent it through to the [LO] mailing list in hopes someone could tell me what was wrong (at the time I didn't know that mailman v2.12 and cpanel v1.7 did not work together)... I really like mailman, it's a great list manager! But I also like cpanel... Both programs give me more control over my site than I've had before and I'd love to keep them both (well, to be honest, I don't have a choice since my webhost decides!) Anyway, what do I need to do in regards to this? Do I send in complains to cpanel? Babs www.fractalfairy.com/~feusers From paul at thcwd.com Tue Sep 23 18:39:34 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:39:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030923113645.07290fd0@mail.thcwd.com> Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > > Am I correct in assuming that the problem is with the CPanel > > interface with Mailman > >No. All we really know is that Cpanel isn't working on one specific >ISP. Whether that's CPanel's fault or the ISP's fault, or smoe other >factor, we don't know, and we shouldn't assume. All we do know is that >the Mailman crew isn't involved with CPanel, so once CPanel takes >Mailman builds a tool to support it, we're out of the loop and can't >really help. Okay, let me try again. I've installed Mailman on Ensim, a propitiatory chrooted environment similar to CPanel. I had to basically avoid Ensim and figure out the nonstandard way they did certain things. Can I do the same thing with CPanel? Has anyone else done it that way? That asked, I'm leaning more and more to getting a plain RedHat box and doing my Mailman lists from that. It's probably the wise way to go. <>< Paul From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Sep 23 18:54:43 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:54:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? In-Reply-To: <1064269938.1986.98.camel@anthem> References: <1064269938.1986.98.camel@anthem> Message-ID: <20030923165443.GT13750@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Barry Warsaw wrote: > I recently received a message about problems with Mailman and CPanel. I > don't know anything about CPanel, or why Mailman and CPanel might not be > working together, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be interested in > helping to make sure this is still a viable solution. I know a lot of > people use Mailman under CPanel, and I think that's a worthwhile thing > to keep available. I've had the misfortune of using Mailman on cPanel hosted sites. One of the things I noticed first was that you cannot (or could not until very recently) edit the case of the listname on the General Options page. Doing so would yield: Error: real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by case only. cPanel does a little hack (which I'm almost sure has to be applied to the Mailman source and not to their own software) that appends and underscore and the domain name to the name of any lists that are created. Then they only display the part before the underscore on the listinfo and admin pages and most everywhere else, except in URL's. As an example, if I create a list called Test on a domain like example.com, the list that gets created with be created as test_example.com. This solves (or at least tries to solve) the problem of having multiple lists with the same name in a virtual hosting environment. I can't think an any way that they could do this without modifying the Mailman source, which as I understand the GPL, requires that they release their modifications. I have tried asking them directly through their support pages, as well as bugging the host that's running cPanel to get a message through to the cPanel people, for the source code for their changes, but have received nothing from them. If I had busted my ass to write such cool software and was generous enough to release it under the GPL, I'd be highly annoyed that some commercial company was violating that license and causing the software to break in subtle ways (like the error from above) which made people think that Mailman was itself buggy when it's really only the commercial company's half-assed patch. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Judge a man by his questions rather than by his answers. -- Voltaire -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/cHrOuv+09NZUB1oRAqOdAKDE6QnnUN64jdLPtMZeUvgxhTIKiACeKguM CfpOkIqIf0h562Gi4tzvLg8= =ZOIL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From paul at thcwd.com Tue Sep 23 19:30:10 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:30:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing html (WAS: Mailman & CPanel?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030923120207.07292fd8@mail.thcwd.com> BubblyBabs wrote: >I honestly don't know if my webhost upgraded cpanel or mailman or both (I >don't recal the version numbers), I >just know that all of a sudden I was unable to edit the HTML >files... Thankfully the lists still work fine in all aspects, I just >can't edit those HTML files... Have you tried using SSH to directly edit the files? I've gotten to where I tend to do it there anyway, just seems faster and easier now. You will find the templates in the language specific directory of the list, so for English it would be //mailman/lists//en . You will have to restart the gunners ( bin/mailmanctl restart) and send a post to see the changes. <>< Paul From cocke at catherders.com Tue Sep 23 19:32:11 2003 From: cocke at catherders.com (Michael W.Cocke) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:32:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] WTF?? Mailman subscribe wants a valid email address.... Message-ID: Just installed postfix and the mailman-to-postfix bridge. I'm trying to subscribe to a mailing list from the web page interface. Mailman keeps complaining that it wants a valid email address. IT IS a valid email address. How do I explain this fact to mailman, in small words? Mike- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. ----------------------------------------------------- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments. From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 23 20:20:16 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Sep 2003 14:20:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030923113645.07290fd0@mail.thcwd.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030923113645.07290fd0@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <1064341216.4095.19.camel@Anncons4> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 12:39, Paul H Byerly wrote: > Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > > > Am I correct in assuming that the problem is with the CPanel > > > interface with Mailman > > > >No. All we really know is that Cpanel isn't working on one specific > >ISP. Whether that's CPanel's fault or the ISP's fault, or smoe other > >factor, we don't know, and we shouldn't assume. All we do know is that > >the Mailman crew isn't involved with CPanel, so once CPanel takes > >Mailman builds a tool to support it, we're out of the loop and can't > >really help. > > Okay, let me try again. I've installed Mailman on Ensim, a > propitiatory chrooted environment similar to CPanel. I had to basically > avoid Ensim and figure out the nonstandard way they did certain > things. Can I do the same thing with CPanel? Has anyone else done it that > way? > > That asked, I'm leaning more and more to getting a plain RedHat box > and doing my Mailman lists from that. It's probably the wise way to go. > > > <>< Paul Unlike the Ensim system - where you control Mailman using mailman controls - CPanel expects you to interact with Mailman (and all other running services/apps) via the CPanel controls. You could by-pass that, but then you loose some integration which is important to CPanel. An example of that is that you have aliases and Mail CGI's that CPanel applications and system processes are not aware of - and my accidentally overwrite or deny access to. The selling point for CPanel is it's simplified (and distributed) management of multiple domains on a single box. It's quite a good package, but isn't developed as rapidly as some other projects that mirror it's functionality. Also, it has problems rev-ing applications and services - even in the face of known vulnerabilities. My preference is to use OpenBSD or RH9 and then use other OpenSource tools to manage various domains on a single server. Of course, I'm also a command line junkie. Jon Carnes From cocke at catherders.com Tue Sep 23 20:42:51 2003 From: cocke at catherders.com (Michael W.Cocke) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] WTF?? Mailman subscribe wants a valid email address.... In-Reply-To: <20030923110755.75f00fad.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <20030923110755.75f00fad.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:07:55 -0700, you wrote: >On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:32:11 -0400 >"Michael W.Cocke" wrote: > >> Just installed postfix and the mailman-to-postfix bridge. I'm >> trying to subscribe to a mailing list from the web page interface. >> Mailman >> keeps complaining that it wants a valid email address. IT IS a >> valid email address. How do I explain this fact to mailman, in >> small words? >> >> >> >> Mike- >> > >Is it actually your MTA which complains to Mailman which then >complains to you? I don't use Postfix, so I don't know how it's >done. In Sendmail, access to the mail server has to be given, as >well as the appropriate aliases. Has the equivalent been done with >your installation? I can subscribe (and post and everything else) to mailing lists if I stick to the email interface... The web interface seems to be really messed up somewhere. I think I'll just pretend it doesn't have a web interface and leave it alone. 8-)> Mike- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. ----------------------------------------------------- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments. From ricardo at americasnet.com Tue Sep 23 21:52:20 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:52:20 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderator not allowed to post? Message-ID: <3f70a474.a8.7f.340936559@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, I configured an "announcement-only" list according to the instructions in the FAQ, http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp And I setup my email address as moderator for that list. However, I still get messages rejected, I assume because I did not clear the mod bit in the Membership Management section. Shouldn't the fact that my email address is listed as moderator, override the mod bit for posting? From administrator at mcc.co.tz Tue Sep 23 22:19:18 2003 From: administrator at mcc.co.tz (manish) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:19:18 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and sendmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c3820f$f7cd8ef0$4d3e29c4@Shrike> Hello Gurus, I have just installed mailman on Redhat 9.0, everything is fine, I can send mail out of the box but when I want to post or send a request to list the mail bounces back as user not found. I am new to linux, can andybody please guide me to the steps. Many thanks. From embrey at hood.edu Tue Sep 23 23:24:48 2003 From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:24:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about Announcement Only List Configuration Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20030923171221.036c2fc8@hermes.hood.edu> Mailman List: I am running mailman 2.1.1 on RH9. I configured a list as an announcement only list. Under the non-member filters in Privacy/Send filters section I added user at domain.edu to "accept these nonmembers" section. When this person sent a message to the list they got the member moderation notice. Does mailman look at the "From" address or the "X-Sender" address? In this particular case the From address is user at domain.edu but the X-Sender is user at server.domain.edu. Will adding user at server.domain.edu to "accept these nonmembers" section allow this user to mail to the list? Bruce Embrey Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Systems Manager Campus Email Admin : UNIX / Linux Administrator Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927 From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Sep 23 23:27:28 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:27:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? In-Reply-To: <1064341216.4095.19.camel@Anncons4> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030923113645.07290fd0@mail.thcwd.com> <1064341216.4095.19.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <20030923212728.GV13750@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jon Carnes wrote: > Unlike the Ensim system - where you control Mailman using mailman > controls - CPanel expects you to interact with Mailman (and all other > running services/apps) via the CPanel controls. Perhaps you're referring only to list creation and alias management here, but all of the list management with Mailman on cPanel is done with the normal Mailman web interface, at least on the one or two hosts where I've been subjected to cPanel. It does appear to me that cPanel patches Mailman in a few places for their appended domain name hack (and seemingly violates the GPL by not making such patches readily available), but otherwise, it's stock Mailman that you use to maintain lists. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/cLrAuv+09NZUB1oRArZSAKDxmaYQYAW21Aep1WvG9onG/0PjiQCfUtpt PJOAo5XaSoxxOf3yFoo1M9w= =FyDw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 23 23:44:58 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Sep 2003 17:44:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderator not allowed to post? In-Reply-To: <3f70a474.a8.7f.340936559@server2.americasnet.com> References: <3f70a474.a8.7f.340936559@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <1064353497.4095.67.camel@Anncons4> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 15:52, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > And I setup my email address as moderator for that list. > > However, I still get messages rejected, I assume because I > did not clear the mod bit in the Membership Management > section. > > Shouldn't the fact that my email address is listed as > moderator, override the mod bit for posting? Nope. Being a moderator just means that you can approve posts that are held for the list. It doesn't mean *your* posts won't be held. This is a good feature, especially if you have savvy (but childish) users. Anyone can forge an email header and say their mail is from you, but only *you* know the password to moderate the list. So you can stop those rascals at their evil game! Jon Carnes From e.van.der.meulen at avondel.com Wed Sep 24 00:06:57 2003 From: e.van.der.meulen at avondel.com (Erik van der Meulen) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:06:57 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sudden error Message-ID: <20030923220657.GA855@avondel.nl> Dear List - after more than a year of loyal service, my mailman configuration (1.0.9 on Debian) stopped working! My /var/log/mailman/error shows: Sep 24 00:00:03 2003 qrunner(823): Traceback (innermost last): Sep 24 00:00:03 2003 qrunner(823): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? Sep 24 00:00:03 2003 qrunner(823): kids = main(lock) Sep 24 00:00:03 2003 qrunner(823): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 204, in main Sep 24 00:00:03 2003 qrunner(823): os.unlink(root+'.msg') Sep 24 00:00:03 2003 qrunner(823): OSError : [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/228fcdcbf3a369cced5baeb46183ef18bdb75db8.msg.msg' repeating constantly every minute. All I can say is that the double '.msg.msg' seems odd. Other than that I am clueless. Any suggestions to a possible cure are much appreciated! -- Erik van der Meulen From ricardo at americasnet.com Wed Sep 24 00:10:20 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:10:20 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderator not allowed to post? Message-ID: <3f70c4cc.1ea.4622.104061130@server2.americasnet.com> Thanks for the info. > > Being a moderator just means that you can approve posts > that are held for the list. It doesn't mean *your* posts > won't be held. > > This is a good feature, especially if you have savvy (but > childish) users. Anyone can forge an email header and say > their mail is from you, but only *you* know the password > to moderate the list. So you can stop those rascals at > their evil game! > So what is the correct way to setup a moderated or announcement-only type list, in which the moderator can post without having to manually approve the posts? What is the proper way of posting to the list? Ricardo From david.nospam at netcabo.pt Wed Sep 24 00:54:56 2003 From: david.nospam at netcabo.pt (David Morgado) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:54:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderator not allowed to post? In-Reply-To: <3f70c4cc.1ea.4622.104061130@server2.americasnet.com> References: <3f70c4cc.1ea.4622.104061130@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <3F70CF40.7060401@netcabo.pt> That is in the thread I started (announce-only list Howto) But here it is case you missed it: From john DeCarlo: (..) Approved header is: Approved: So you need to set up passwords for the moderators and/or the list. And whether you can add the line as a header or whether you have to make it the first line of text in your message is dependent on the email client (MUA) that you are using. Ricardo Kleemann wrote: >Thanks for the info. > > > >>Being a moderator just means that you can approve posts >>that are held for the list. It doesn't mean *your* posts >>won't be held. >> >>This is a good feature, especially if you have savvy (but >>childish) users. Anyone can forge an email header and say >>their mail is from you, but only *you* know the password >>to moderate the list. So you can stop those rascals at >>their evil game! >> >> >> > >So what is the correct way to setup a moderated or >announcement-only type list, in which the moderator can post >without having to manually approve the posts? What is the >proper way of posting to the list? > >Ricardo > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: david.nospam at netcabo.pt >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/david.nospam%40netcabo.pt > > > From webdev at aplonis.com Wed Sep 24 01:41:34 2003 From: webdev at aplonis.com (Rae) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:41:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] maintaining archives after a domain/server change Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20030923183948.04947990@listdaddy.com> Hello, I couldn't find any instructions regarding this particular problem. I am hoping that someone here will know how to do this. We are moving lists from one domain server to another domain server -- the change is changing the address of the lists. The old lists are version 2.0.3 and the new lists are version 2.1.2. How can we maintain the archives for the lists from the old domain server to the new server? TIA. Best wishes, Rae From hraftery at myrealbox.com Tue Sep 23 10:04:36 2003 From: hraftery at myrealbox.com (Heath Raftery) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:04:36 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] manually adding entries to the archives In-Reply-To: <5BE66B90-ED8F-11D7-BA30-000393D87C76@polywog.navpoint.com> References: <5BE66B90-ED8F-11D7-BA30-000393D87C76@polywog.navpoint.com> Message-ID: <3F6FFE94.1000507@myrealbox.com> E.M. Recio wrote: > Is there a way to manually add entries to the list archives by appending > text to the mailbox spool file? Yep, just add it in standard mbox format. > I noticed that the messages were being > appended, but they aren't showing up on the webpage archives. And then run % ~mailman/bin/arch --wipe listname where % is your command prompt, ~mailman is the mailman directory (possibly /usr/local/mailman) and listname is the name of the list you want to update. From mtavares at student.dei.uc.pt Tue Sep 23 13:05:57 2003 From: mtavares at student.dei.uc.pt (=?iso-8859-15?q?Jos=E9=20Miguel=20Pereira=20Tavares?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:05:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman list not working :( Message-ID: <200309231205.57861.mtavares@student.dei.uc.pt> Hi all, I'm running mailman 2.1.2 and the thing used to work like a charm. But now there is some kind of problem with one of the lists. I tried to gather as much information as possible about the problem. Anyone has any ideia of what can be causing this problem? TIA Miguel Tavares From mailman/logs/error ___________vvvvv___________ Sep 23 11:20:53 2003 (2283) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in process url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in save_attachment ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in guess_extension if ext in all: TypeError: iterable argument required Sep 23 11:20:53 2003 (2283) SHUNTING: 1064316051.862324+c773d889f77b3b4563a331cdf9998924794cd74b ---------------------AAAA--------------------- from maillog (postfix)________________vvvv_________ Sep 23 11:20:48 best postfix/smtpd[30455]: connect from sun.deec.uc.pt[193.136.238.217] Sep 23 11:20:48 best postfix/smtpd[30455]: CF913190A1: client=sun.deec.uc.pt[193.136.238.217] Sep 23 11:20:48 best postfix/cleanup[30456]: CF913190A1: message-id=<200309231021.h8NAL6XW022014 at student.dei.uc.pt> Sep 23 11:20:48 best postfix/qmgr[29586]: CF913190A1: from=, size=1329, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 23 11:20:48 best postfix/smtpd[30455]: disconnect from sun.deec.uc.pt[193.136.238.217] Sep 23 11:20:51 best postfix/local[30458]: CF913190A1: to=<2003sc at best.deec.uc.pt>, relay=local, delay=3, status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post 2003sc") Sep 23 11:25:57 best postfix/smtp[30410]: connect to mx1.wonderfullukes.net[65.110.33.33]: Connection timed out (port 25) Sep 23 11:25:57 best postfix/smtp[30410]: 9863F190A3: to=, relay=none, delay=149098, status=deferred (connect to mx1.wonderfullukes.net[65.110.33.33]: Connection timed out) Sep 23 11:33:03 best postfix/qmgr[29586]: 1E12F190A4: from=<>, size=41676, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 23 11:33:12 best postfix/smtp[30473]: connect to zofc.com[204.251.10.218]: Connection refused (port 25) Sep 23 11:33:12 best postfix/smtp[30473]: 1E12F190A4: to=, relay=none, delay=109154, status=deferred (connect to zofc.com[204.251.10.218]: Connection refused) Sep 23 12:00:09 best postfix/pickup[30442]: B8AA1190A1: uid=200 from= Sep 23 12:00:09 best postfix/cleanup[30502]: B8AA1190A1: message-id=<20030923120009.B8AA1190A1 at best.deec.uc.pt> Sep 23 12:00:09 best postfix/qmgr[29586]: B8AA1190A1: from=, size=1480, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 23 12:00:12 best postfix/local[30504]: B8AA1190A1: to=, relay=local, delay=3, status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman") Sep 23 12:00:14 best postfix/smtpd[30506]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Sep 23 12:00:14 best postfix/smtpd[30506]: 974E9190A1: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] Sep 23 12:00:14 best postfix/cleanup[30502]: 974E9190A1: message-id= Sep 23 12:00:14 best postfix/qmgr[29586]: 974E9190A1: from=, size=2855, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 23 12:00:14 best postfix/local[30504]: 974E9190A1: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (mailbox) Sep 23 12:00:14 best postfix/smtpd[30506]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] ---------------------AAAA----------- -- I love the deadlines. I love the whooshing sound they make as they pass by. Douglas Adams From listmgr at aplonis.net Tue Sep 23 21:19:34 2003 From: listmgr at aplonis.net (List Manager) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:19:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] maintaining archives after a domain/server change Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20030923141040.04a60c50@aplonis.com> Hello, I couldn't find any instructions regarding this particular problem. We are moving lists (of version 2.0.3) from one domain server to another domain server (using version 2.1.2) -- the change is changing the address of the lists. How can we maintain the archives for the lists of the old domain server to the new server? TIA. Best wishes, Rae From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Sep 24 06:01:33 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 24 Sep 2003 00:01:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] maintaining archives after a domain/server change In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20030923183948.04947990@listdaddy.com> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20030923183948.04947990@listdaddy.com> Message-ID: <1064376093.4095.103.camel@Anncons4> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 19:41, Rae wrote: > Hello, > > I couldn't find any instructions regarding this particular problem. I am > hoping that someone here will know how to do this. > > We are moving lists from one domain server to another domain server -- the > change is changing the address of the lists. The old lists are version > 2.0.3 and the new lists are version 2.1.2. How can we maintain the archives > for the lists from the old domain server to the new server? > > TIA. > > Best wishes, > Rae > This is should be easy. The archives are stored in an mbox file on the old server (~mailman/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox) and in the same place on the new server. Copy over the mbox file to the new list - even if it has a new name - and then run the ~mailman/bin/arch command to generate the html archive files for the list. Good Luck! Jon Carnes From enno at despammed.com Wed Sep 24 08:17:25 2003 From: enno at despammed.com (Enno Rehling) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:17:25 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: PGP/Mime In-Reply-To: <87brtd58gu.fsf@athene.jamux.com> References: <87brtd58gu.fsf@athene.jamux.com> Message-ID: John A. Martin wrote: > This here message is PGP/MIME signed although I normally sign messages > to this list "in-line". I guess it is time to change my practice. It seems that it's a problem with mozilla/enigmail after all. There's been movement on http://mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=4601 tonight. Thanks! Enno. -- It is a good rule in life never to apologize. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 261 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030924/c3d02586/attachment.pgp From administrator at mcc.co.tz Wed Sep 24 08:28:40 2003 From: administrator at mcc.co.tz (manish) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:28:40 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and sendmail In-Reply-To: <20030923135413.71ba95c6.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <004201c38265$18fdf470$4d3e29c4@Shrike> Many thanks for the reply, How do I run that .... -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+administrator=mcc.co.tz at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+administrator=mcc.co.tz at python.org] On Behalf Of Raquel Rice Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:54 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and sendmail On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:19:18 +0300 "manish" wrote: > Hello Gurus, > > I have just installed mailman on Redhat 9.0, everything is fine, I can > send mail out of the box but when I want to post or send a request to > list the mail bounces back as user not found. > > I am new to linux, can andybody please guide me to the steps. > > > Many thanks. > Did you set up the aliases (/etc/aliases) and then run newaliases? -- Raquel ============================================================ It is easy to take liberty for granted when you have never had it taken from you. --M. Grundler ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: administrator at mcc.co.tz Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/administrator%40mcc .co.tz From ricardo at americasnet.com Wed Sep 24 15:32:47 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:32:47 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderator not allowed to post? Message-ID: <3f719cff.2c8.36c1.1699811503@server2.americasnet.com> Ok, thanks. But if the Approved line is a header, will mailman strip it out so others don't see it? Will either method work? Is there a configuration option that needs to be set? Can you provide a link to the Howto? Thanks Ricardo ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > That is in the thread I started (announce-only list Howto) > But here it is case you missed it: > From john DeCarlo: > > (..) Approved header is: Approved: So you need > to set up passwords for the moderators and/or the list. > And whether you can add the line as a header or whether > you have to make it the first line of text in your > message is dependent on the email client (MUA) that you > are using. > > > > Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > > >Thanks for the info. > > > > > > > >>Being a moderator just means that you can approve posts > >>that are held for the list. It doesn't mean *your* > posts >>won't be held. > >> > >>This is a good feature, especially if you have savvy > (but >>childish) users. Anyone can forge an email header > and say >>their mail is from you, but only *you* know the > password >>to moderate the list. So you can stop those > rascals at >>their evil game! > >> > >> > >> > > > >So what is the correct way to setup a moderated or > >announcement-only type list, in which the moderator can > post >without having to manually approve the posts? What > is the >proper way of posting to the list? > > > >Ricardo > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users mailing list > >Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > >This message was sent to: david.nospam at netcabo.pt > >Unsubscribe or change your options at > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/davi > d.nospam%40netcabo.pt > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: ricardo at americasnet.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ricardo%40americasnet.com From ricardo at americasnet.com Wed Sep 24 17:29:10 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:29:10 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] new_member_options values? Message-ID: <3f71b846.33e.57ae.754894296@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, What is the breakdown of the value for new_member_options ? It is by default 256, but what does that mean? If I wanted to set the moderated bit on for new members, what value should I use? Thanks Ricardo From randy.stoecker at utoledo.edu Wed Sep 24 18:37:40 2003 From: randy.stoecker at utoledo.edu (randy.stoecker at utoledo.edu) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:37:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Eudora clipping messages Message-ID: <3F719014.8894.649D14@localhost> I am wondering if anyone is having subscribers complain about Eudora clipping messages? I now have three cases of Eudora 5.x users receiving messages where the messge text is missing. Only the text from msg_header appears. I am running Mailman 2.1.1 on Redhat 9.0 with SpamAssassin. Thanks in advance for any help anyone can provide. Here is an example of the raw text from a clipped message (the msg_header text appears between the "<><><>" and I have x'ed out the recipient username): Status: RO Return-Path: Received: from UCONNVM (NJE origin SMTPT at UCONNVM) by UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU (LMail V1.2d/1.8d) with BSMTP id 6998; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:50:09 -0400 Received: from mail2.uits.uconn.edu [137.99.25.204] by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 310) via TCP with SMTP ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:50:09 EDT Received: (from root at localhost) by mail2.uits.uconn.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h8M0pnl26376 for xxxxx at uconnvm.uconn.edu; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:51:49 -0400 Received: from coserver.uhw.utoledo.edu (uhw085138.uhw.utoledo.edu [131.183.85.138]) by mail2.uits.uconn.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8M0phP26350 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:51:43 -0400 Received: from uhw085138.uhw.utoledo.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coserver.uhw.utoledo.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h8M15d1K013658; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:05:39 -0400 Received: from server11.safepages.com (server11.safepages.com [216.127.146.25]) by coserver.uhw.utoledo.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h8M0Xp1K013551 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:33:52 - 0400 Received: by server11.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 3013E182723; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:11:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MEHOME (0-3pool253-185.nas5.toledo1.oh.us.da.qwest.net [65.150.253.185]) by server11.safepages.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB66718273B for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:11:26 +0000 (GMT) To: colist at coserver.uhw.utoledo.edu Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:12:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: CitizenSpeak--free advocacy services Message-ID: <3F6E0644.27193.242168A at localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content- description: Mail message body Cc: From: colist at coserver.uhw.utoledo.edu X- BeenThere: colist at comm-org.utoledo.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: colist at coserver.uhw.utoledo.edu List-Id: Discussion list for COMM-ORG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: colist-bounces at coserver.uhw.utoledo.edu Errors-To: colist-bounces at coserver.uhw.utoledo.edu X-MailScanner- Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.8, required 5, NO_REAL_NAME 0.82) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This is a COMM-ORG "colist" message. All replies to this message come to COMM-ORG only.<><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From paul at thcwd.com Wed Sep 24 19:16:57 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:16:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderator not allowed to post? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030924121002.0736d878@mail.thcwd.com> Ricardo Kleemann wrote: >But if the Approved line is a header, will mailman strip it >out so others don't see it? It will in plain text, but if the list allows HTML and the post contains HTML the approved header will make it through. >Will either method work? Is there a configuration option >that needs to be set? > >Can you provide a link to the Howto? Mailman is already set up for this - it's a matter of getting your mail program to do the rest. Try making it the first line in the body of your message. So start with: Approved: password Where password is the admin or moderator password. <>< Paul From system at eluminoustechnologies.com Wed Sep 24 19:36:13 2003 From: system at eluminoustechnologies.com (System) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:06:13 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to send email... Message-ID: <02ed01c382c2$6220f820$1a01a8c0@vishal> Hello All, I am using qmail-1.03 on my server. I have install mailman-2.0.13. I could create lists. But the mail are not sent to the administrator of the list nor the subscriber. Can any one help me please. Thank you, Tina. From jdecarlo at mitre.org Wed Sep 24 19:28:17 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:28:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderator not allowed to post? In-Reply-To: <3f70a474.a8.7f.340936559@server2.americasnet.com> References: <3f70a474.a8.7f.340936559@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <3F71D431.8030306@mitre.org> Hello, Let me add to what Jon Carnes said about this. 1. You are right, just change the moderation bit for the users who want to post. 2. I host several lists where the moderator isn't on the list of users who can post. Of course a moderator can always approve his or her own post, but if it happens infrequently, it works just fine. After all, the people who can post may not have the time or the technical inclination to also be moderator. Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > Hi, > > I configured an "announcement-only" list according to the > instructions in the FAQ, > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp > > And I setup my email address as moderator for that list. > > However, I still get messages rejected, I assume because I > did not clear the mod bit in the Membership Management > section. > > Shouldn't the fact that my email address is listed as > moderator, override the mod bit for posting? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From ricardo at americasnet.com Wed Sep 24 20:00:47 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:00:47 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderator not allowed to post? Message-ID: <3f71dbcf.24d.249e.1142011146@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, Thanks for the info. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Hello, > > Let me add to what Jon Carnes said about this. > > 1. You are right, just change the moderation bit for the > users who want to post. Ok, that makes sense... is there a way to programatically turn off the moderation bit for a particular user? What I'm trying to do is create some scripts that will automatically create an announcement-only list, but providing some configuration inputs after list creation. But I don't know if it's possible to do configuration for a particular user that way. Ricardo From rolevine at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 20:10:28 2003 From: rolevine at yahoo.com (Rob LeVine) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Showing list of user's subscriptions Message-ID: <20030924181028.26578.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Here's my deal: I run a social site that has the need for very low security mailing lists. I am currently using MailMan 2.1.2 and I've read, yet not implemented, FAQ 1.5 that discusses turing off the password requirement. Assuming I can successully complete that, what are the chances that when a user site logs in to my site (not into Mailman), meaning I know what his email address is I can show him what lists he's subscribed to without having him having to go to the MailMan user options page? Example: User logs into my site and with his email address I fetch a list of subscribed mailing lists and show that list to the user. Second. related question, if I can't successfully implement removing the passwords (my web hoster is somewhat inflexible), what if Iset all of my user's passwords to be the same thing and then try to get the list of subscribed lists? Make sense? Possible? Thanks, Rob --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software From jdecarlo at mitre.org Wed Sep 24 20:18:49 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:18:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderator not allowed to post? In-Reply-To: <3f71dbcf.24d.249e.1142011146@server2.americasnet.com> References: <3f71dbcf.24d.249e.1142011146@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <3F71E009.8010901@mitre.org> Ricardo, The scripts that come with Mailman in /bin don't cover this right now. In fact, they call ApprovedAddMember() in /Mailman/MailList.py to add members. This function has a comment in it that indicates it may allow more user attributes in the future. I expect you would have to do this yourself for now, such as indicate the moderation bit setting somehow. Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > Ok, that makes sense... is there a way to programatically > turn off the moderation bit for a particular user? > > What I'm trying to do is create some scripts that will > automatically create an announcement-only list, but > providing some configuration inputs after list creation. But > I don't know if it's possible to do configuration for a > particular user that way. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jdecarlo at mitre.org Wed Sep 24 20:28:39 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:28:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Showing list of user's subscriptions In-Reply-To: <20030924181028.26578.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030924181028.26578.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F71E257.6000208@mitre.org> Rob, 1. Users having passwords or not is irrelevant to your question as I understand it. After all, you are going to determine the security of the processes you use to display the information. 2. Mailman web pages, CGI scripts, etc. do similar things to what you want. In fact, a user can get to a Mailman web page that tells him/her all the lists subscribed to (although getting there requires the user to enter the Mailman password). http://mailmancomputer.site.com/mailman/options/listname/emailaddress 3. For you to output something similar, you would have to figure out how Mailman does it and modify to your tastes. OR Have one or more of your web pages simply run a script similar to /bin/find_member passing the email address to it. That script returns a list of all the lists that email address is subscribed to. Security is then up to you. Formatting, too. Rob LeVine wrote: > Hi, > Here's my deal: I run a social site that has the need for very low security mailing lists. I am currently using MailMan 2.1.2 and I've read, yet not implemented, FAQ 1.5 that discusses turing off the password requirement. Assuming I can successully complete that, what are the chances that when a user site logs in to my site (not into Mailman), meaning I know what his email address is I can show him what lists he's subscribed to without having him having to go to the MailMan user options page? > > Example: User logs into my site and with his email address I fetch a list of subscribed mailing lists and show that list to the user. > > Second. related question, if I can't successfully implement removing the passwords (my web hoster is somewhat inflexible), what if Iset all of my user's passwords to be the same thing and then try to get the list of subscribed lists? > > Make sense? Possible? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From aaron.bennett at olin.edu Wed Sep 24 23:36:07 2003 From: aaron.bennett at olin.edu (Aaron Bennett) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:36:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] plain old fashioned bouncing? Message-ID: <3F720E47.80700@olin.edu> Hi -- Please bear with me. I'm relatively new to mailman, and I freely admit I don't know a pickle from a VERP from a pumpkin. :-) One of our lists is fairly critical: if a message doesn't get delivered, the list owner needs to know about it so that she can send a hard copy instead. Unfortunately, the list of email addresses which was used to populate this list is known to contain several bad addresses, but no one knows *which* addresses are bad. I'd like a way to have all bounces to go her, or, in the worst case, to me or to a file or something, so that she can go an follow up on each bad email address and either track down the correct one and fix it or delete it from the list. We can't afford to let bounce processing wait for five bounces before notifying the list owner. The obvious solution is to set bouce_score_threshhold to 0. Unfortunately, I didn't realize this was going to be necessary until an important announcement was sent to the list already. My questions are: 1 - am I on the right track with bounce_score_threshhold=0 ? 2 - is there a way to dump out all of the bounces to a file so I can pass it to the list owner? Where are bounces 'stored' ? Please forgive my ignorance about the internals of mailman. thanks! - Aaron Bennett -- Aaron Bennett UNIX Administrator Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering From ler at lerctr.org Wed Sep 24 23:58:56 2003 From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:58:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Digest send Message-ID: <12170000.1064440736@lerlaptop.lerctr.org> I just started getting this in the last 2 days all of a sudden. No changes that I know about to the system: $ /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main mlist.send_digest_now() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in process t = t.encode(charset, 'replace') File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in search_function mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*') ValueError: Empty module name $ Any ideas? -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030924/c612ba90/attachment.pgp From aparajita at aparajitaworld.com Thu Sep 25 01:14:46 2003 From: aparajita at aparajitaworld.com (Aparajita Fishman) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:14:46 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't write to mbox Message-ID: Hi, I moved my setup from one server to another. Everything is working except for one thing: the messages are not being archived to the mbox. check_perms says there are no permission problems. I also tried creating a new list and posted a message to it, but still no deal. Any ideas? Regards, Aparajita Victory-Heart Productions aparajita at aparajita.com www.aparajitaworld.com "If you dare to fail, you are bound to succeed." - Sri Chinmoy | www.srichinmoylibrary.com From RichardD at presbyterian.org.nz Thu Sep 25 02:54:37 2003 From: RichardD at presbyterian.org.nz (Richard Davis) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:54:37 +1200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] description becomes title Message-ID: <0295F6581DE0BA4190CAA8D0073D94149A36@pdc.pcanz.org.nz> my list description is this: A forum for Presbyterians to discuss issues When an email is sent the replyto email address appears thus: A forum for Presbyterians to discuss issues Which is all a bit weird. Any clues anyone? I'm using a host running MailMan 2.1.2 on Redhat Linux 7.3. Exim is the mail server. Richard Davis Communications Advisor and Webmaster Presbyterian Church of Aotearoa New Zealand PO Box 9049, Wellington, New Zealand Phone: +64.4.801600; Fax: +64.4.8016001 Direct: +64.4.3818285 Mob: 027.4048656 http://www.presbyterian.org.nz/ From paul at thcwd.com Thu Sep 25 03:16:31 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:16:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Showing list of user's subscriptions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030924195243.01592b88@mail.thcwd.com> Rob LeVine wrote: >Hi, >Here's my deal: I run a social site that has the need for very low >security mailing lists. I am currently using MailMan 2.1.2 and I've read, >yet not implemented, FAQ 1.5 that discusses turing off the password >requirement. Assuming I can successully complete that, what are the >chances that when a user site logs in to my site (not into Mailman), >meaning I know what his email address is I can show him what lists he's >subscribed to without having him having to go to the MailMan user options page? > >Example: User logs into my site and with his email address I fetch a list >of subscribed mailing lists and show that list to the user. <>< Paul, who only understands half of that code From paul at thcwd.com Thu Sep 25 03:44:57 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:44:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Eudora clipping messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030924193920.07311e48@mail.thcwd.com> randy.stoecker wrote: >I am wondering if anyone is having subscribers complain about >Eudora clipping messages? I now have three cases of Eudora 5.x >users receiving messages where the messge text is missing. Only >the text from msg_header appears. I am running Mailman 2.1.1 on >Redhat 9.0 with SpamAssassin. I ran 5.2 and 5.2.1 with no problem. I do know that if I end a subject line with a period on this version 5.2.1 it made a mess of the headers. Since 6.0 is out, my suggestion would be to have folks upgrade. I've only started using it, but so far so good. <>< Paul From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Sep 25 04:13:57 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 24 Sep 2003 22:13:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to send email... In-Reply-To: <02ed01c382c2$6220f820$1a01a8c0@vishal> References: <02ed01c382c2$6220f820$1a01a8c0@vishal> Message-ID: <1064456037.7993.7.camel@Anncons4> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 13:36, System wrote: > Hello All, > > I am using qmail-1.03 on my server. I have install mailman-2.0.13. I could > create lists. But the mail are not sent to the administrator of the list nor > the subscriber. > > Can any one help me please. > > Thank you, > Tina. > See if FAQ 3.14 can be of any help... Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Sep 25 05:11:41 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 24 Sep 2003 23:11:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] plain old fashioned bouncing? In-Reply-To: <20030924150553.171278c6.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <3F720E47.80700@olin.edu> <20030924150553.171278c6.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <1064459501.7993.13.camel@Anncons4> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 18:05, Raquel Rice wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:36:07 -0400 > Aaron Bennett wrote: > > > Hi -- > > > > Please bear with me. I'm relatively new to mailman, and I freely > > admit I don't know a pickle from a VERP from a pumpkin. :-) > > > > One of our lists is fairly critical: if a message doesn't get > > delivered, the list owner needs to know about it so that she can > > send a hard copy instead. Unfortunately, the list of email > > addresses which was used to populate this list is known to contain > > several bad addresses, but no one knows *which* addresses are bad. > > I'd like a way to have all bounces to > > go her, or, in the worst case, to me or to a file or something, so > > that she can go an follow up on each bad email address and either > > track down the correct one and fix it or delete it from the list. > > We can't afford to let bounce processing wait for five bounces > > before notifying the list owner. > > > > The obvious solution is to set bouce_score_threshhold to 0. > > Unfortunately, I didn't realize this was going to be necessary > > until an important announcement was sent to the list already. My > > questions are: > > > > 1 - am I on the right track with bounce_score_threshhold=0 ? > > 2 - is there a way to dump out all of the bounces to a file so I > > can pass it to the list owner? Where are bounces 'stored' ? > > > > Please forgive my ignorance about the internals of mailman. > > > > thanks! > > > > - Aaron Bennett > > > > This is your lucky day. There is a bounce log kept! > /path/to/mailman/logs/bounce > > -- > Raquel This may also be helpful - a thread with some scripts for automatically alerting you of bounces. http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg15247.html You could certainly set this up to alert you on a daily basis. Good luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Sep 25 05:14:16 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 24 Sep 2003 23:14:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't write to mbox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064459655.7993.16.camel@Anncons4> Do you have archiving turned on for the lists? If yes, then what are your archive settings in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or Defaults.py) On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 19:14, Aparajita Fishman wrote: > Hi, > > I moved my setup from one server to another. Everything is working > except for one thing: the messages are not being archived to the mbox. > check_perms says there are no permission problems. I also tried > creating a new list and posted a message to it, but still no deal. > > Any ideas? > > Regards, > > Aparajita > Victory-Heart Productions > aparajita at aparajita.com > www.aparajitaworld.com > > "If you dare to fail, you are bound to succeed." > - Sri Chinmoy | www.srichinmoylibrary.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From ricardo at americasnet.com Thu Sep 25 06:46:09 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:46:09 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing styles or adding css to html files? Message-ID: <3f727311.34d.744e.1529514665@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, If I wanted to add some css to the mailman web interface, what would be the best/quickest way? Or do I have to modify all the html templates and add some css info to them? Can I instead configure something in one of the files or maybe the HTMLFormatter ? Thanks for any help. Ricardo From cocke at catherders.com Thu Sep 25 17:14:46 2003 From: cocke at catherders.com (Michael W.Cocke) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:14:46 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New artice on Mike's Notebook - Making the CGI interface of Mailman 2.1.2 work (almost) properly on an Apache WWW server using webhop and port redirection (both features of dyndns.org) Message-ID: Sorry for the massive crosspost, but this particular article should be interesting to all of you, in one way or another. The article - Making the CGI interface of Mailman 2.1.2 work (almost) properly on an Apache WWW server using webhop and port redirection (both features of dyndns.org) - has just been posted to Mikes Notebook - http://www.catherders.com/Notebook-Mike/notebook-tech.html ** To those of you subscribed to mailing lists hosted on catherders.com, the web interface is working again. Mike- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. ----------------------------------------------------- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments. From dperaza at acementor.org Wed Sep 24 15:19:42 2003 From: dperaza at acementor.org (Dave Peraza) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:19:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Demo Message-ID: <000801c3829e$841750b0$f0222e18@pavilion> Is there a Mailman Demo anywhere? dave --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 From Kevin.L.Teuscher at L-3com.com Wed Sep 24 15:51:51 2003 From: Kevin.L.Teuscher at L-3com.com (Kevin.L.Teuscher at L-3com.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:51:51 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help for a problem with digests Message-ID: <31892CFAF4097F488320D5FFDC60074089303D@slxcg01.csw.L-3com.com> I am subscribed to a list that uses Mailman and I have requested digest messages, but the digests are all messed up because the messages run together as in the following excerpt [note that I have rewritten addresses and ip for this post]: ----Digest excerpt-------------- > | XANSYS - www.xansys.org | > | List hosted by PADT: www.padtinc.com | > ^----------------------------------------------------------------------From Somebody at somwhere.com Mon Sep 22 13:222:19 2003 Received: from somwhere.com (somewhere.com [xxx.xxx.xxx.xx]) by xansys.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h8MKMFH6008928 ----End of Digest excerpt-------------- As you can see, the "From" line from the next message continues on the last line of the previous msg. Because of this problem the digest will only list say 3 subjects at the top of the digest, when in reality there may be 25 msgs in the digest. Any suggestions that I can pass on to the list admin? Thanks, Kevin Kevin Teuscher L-3 Communications 640 North 2200 West P.O. Box 16850 Salt Lake City, UT 84116-0850 From morna at inf.ed.ac.uk Wed Sep 24 13:21:35 2003 From: morna at inf.ed.ac.uk (morna findlay) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:21:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] monster created! untangling many lists with many subscribers? In-Reply-To: <1064254190.3f6f3aeeb066f@topcat.sfos.uaf.edu> References: <1064254190.3f6f3aeeb066f@topcat.sfos.uaf.edu> Message-ID: > >We're running mailing lists for one school within a university. The >school has >several hundred subscribers (personnel) split amongst faculty, staff and >students, a number of different institutes and programs, all spread over 6 >different geographic locations. There are members of each institute at each >location. There are members of each program at each location, and within each >institute. Each location, institute and program has faculty, staff, >and students. > >We have been asked to create a list for essentially every different >permutation; > all faculty, all faculty at location A, all faculty at location A >in program B, >all faculty at location A in institute B and program C, all staff ... you get >the point. We keep several hundred lists up to date by sourcing the membership of each list from our school database. There's enough info in the database to figure out, for example - a list of students taking each module - a list of staff responsible for each module - a list of staff in each location - a list of staff on each grade and so on and so on. In other words - we can create and keep up to date dozens of lists that no-one will ever use :-) We then use CVS to send updates from the database in the form of files to the mailman server, and use the "sync_members" command to update the membership every night thus: #!/bin/sh # #Update mailman list memberships from flat files # PATH= export PATH export elistdir=/elists export elistdir for i in `ls $elistdir `; do echo $i /bin/sync_members -w=no -a=no -f $elistdir/$i $i done It's a bit clunky but it works fine. The main problem is - moderating the dratted lists. You seriously don't want to have to do that yourself. Not even to start with! My advice is to give each group of lists a list-owner and send mail for that list-owner to a shared mailbox and let local admin staff get on with the moderation duties. cheers! M From jmh17 at pitt.edu Thu Sep 25 18:09:14 2003 From: jmh17 at pitt.edu (John Harrold) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:09:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error/list not found Message-ID: <20030925160914.GF21915@sage.che.pitt.edu> i'm having trouble with a mailing list. the command 'list_lists' shows the list. my aliases file has the following: list-name "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman post list-name" i can view, configure, subscribe to mailing lists through the web interface. when i send an email to list-name at computer i get the following delivery failure: The original message was received at Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:52:53 -0400 from localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/pagh/mailman/mail/mailman post list-name" (reason: 1) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- post script, list not found: list-name 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 [-- Attachment #2 --] [-- Type: message/delivery-status, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.4K --] Reporting-MTA: dns; computer Received-From-MTA: DNS; localhost.localdomain Arrival-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:52:53 -0400 Final-Recipient: RFC822; list-name at computer X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/path/mailman/mail/mailman post list-name Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 1 Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:52:53 -0400 can anyone offer a reason for this? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | /"\ john harrold | \ / ASCII ribbon campaign jmh at member.fsf.org | X against HTML mail the most useful idiot | / \ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is brought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy? --Gandhi -------------------------------------------------------------------------- gpg --keyserver keys.indymedia.org --recv-key F65A739E -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030925/7336a52f/attachment.pgp From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Sep 25 22:06:30 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:06:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper Not Working In-Reply-To: <200309251137.h8PBbv5f029375@cdm01.deedsmiscentral.net> References: <200309251137.h8PBbv5f029375@cdm01.deedsmiscentral.net> Message-ID: <20030925200629.GD13750@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 SoloCDM wrote: > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 12. (Reconfigure > to take 12?) > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 [...] > Where did I go wrong? You need to reconfigure mailman to use the proper mail-gid. This is a FAQ and is covered in the Mailman installation documentation pretty clearly. I'd suggest (re-)reading that documentation. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.004.htp - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. -- E. B. White, 1944 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/c0rFuv+09NZUB1oRAplFAKDORDsmKZ+lua08wRyMltzNnSf6JgCg3/CN NzXnQKgMrlQ7H1oxySGoPgg= =fUxp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ricardo at americasnet.com Thu Sep 25 22:28:12 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:28:12 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting subscriptions Message-ID: <3f734fdc.26d.10c9.1965896251@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, Sometimes an announcement-only type of list needs also to be configured such that it restricts subscription, meaning that only an approved person (e.g. administrator) can actually add members to the subscription list. Is that at all possible with MM ? Is it possible to hold subscription requests? Ricardo From nate at plsweb.com Fri Sep 26 01:33:20 2003 From: nate at plsweb.com (nate at plsweb.com) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:33:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting subscriptions In-Reply-To: <3f734fdc.26d.10c9.1965896251@server2.americasnet.com> References: <3f734fdc.26d.10c9.1965896251@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <20030925193320.B21319@plsweb.com> > Sometimes an announcement-only type of list needs also to be > configured such that it restricts subscription, meaning that > only an approved person (e.g. administrator) can actually > add members to the subscription list. > > Is that at all possible with MM ? Yes! > Is it possible to hold subscription requests? Yes! In Mailman 2.1.X take a look at the "Privacy Options" page, specifically the "subscribe_policy". One can require approval which effectively holds the subscription until approved or declined. n. -- Nate Perry-Thistle Director of Technology Performance Learning Systems http://www.plsweb.com/ 530.265.9066 800.255.8412 From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Sep 26 00:08:43 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:08:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Wrapper Not Working In-Reply-To: References: <200309251137.h8PBbv5f029375@cdm01.deedsmiscentral.net> <20030925200629.GD13750@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20030925220843.GE13750@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 SoloCDM wrote: > Does anyone know the solution to the rpm build at the Segmentation > fault below? > > rpm -bb --clean --target=i586 mailman.spec > Building target platforms: i586 > Building for target i586 > Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.45549 > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 19: umask 022 > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 20: cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 21: cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 22: rm -rf mailman-2.0.13 > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 23: /usr/bin/bzip2 -dc > /usr/src/RPM/SOURCES/mailman-2.0.13.tar.bz2 > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 23: tar -xf - > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 24: STATUS=0 > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 25: '[' 0 -ne 0 ']' > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 28: cd mailman-2.0.13 > ++rpm-tmp.45549 line 1: /usr/bin/id -u > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 29: '[' 0 = 0 ']' > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 29: /bin/chown -Rhf root . > ++rpm-tmp.45549 line 1: /usr/bin/id -u > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 30: '[' 0 = 0 ']' > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 30: /bin/chgrp -Rhf root . > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 31: /bin/chmod -Rf a+rX,g-w,o-w . > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 32: echo 'Patch #0 > (mailman-buildroot-check.patch.bz2):' > Patch #0 (mailman-buildroot-check.patch.bz2): > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 33: /usr/bin/bzip2 -d > +rpm-tmp.45549 line 33: patch -p1 -b --suffix .buildroot -s > /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.45549: line 33: 14253 Done > /usr/bin/bzip2 -d > 14254 Segmentation fault | patch -p1 -b --suffix .buildroot -s > Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.45549 (%prep) I can't tell for sure if it's bombing on the unzipping of the patch or the application of the patch, though it looks like it's the former. I think there should be a c option in addition to the -d for the bzip2 command if it's piping the output directly to patch, but that's just a guess since I don't know what the spec file is actually doing. You might want to try a newer RPM from whatever vendor you're trying to build this on. And while you're at it, I'd spend the time to build Mailman 2.1.2 instead of the rather old 2.0.13. There are many useful improvements in 2.1.2. If there isn't an RPM for your platform (that builds cleanly), it's really straightforward to build Mailman from tarballs. Plus, you can then be more sure that you've done everything required to make it work with your setup instead of hoping that the RPM packager did it right. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Stop tolerating in your leaders what you would not tolerate in your friends. -- Michael Ventura -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/c2druv+09NZUB1oRAnHiAJ9rit/XAcFasL+1fMuRma8xA4/QjgCfacPb W33elQnWb1/17eQgHwCkKJo= =dD+K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From merle.reine at lindows.com Fri Sep 26 00:28:40 2003 From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:28:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailbox does not exist Message-ID: I am getting the following error in /var/log/mail: Sep 25 15:20:49 mail postfix/pipe[29441]: 5C42712278: to=, relay=cyrus, delay=0, status=bounced (data format error. Command output: staff-request: Mailbox does not exist ) I have mailman 2.1.1-91 and I am using postfix. I am on SuSe Open Exchange server and the lists were working before but now seem to be giving me errors. I have added hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases to /etc/postfix/main.cf and ran postalias /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases . I also put the contents of /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases in the /etc/aliases file . I still get no such mailbox. Yes, I created the staff list. Any ideas? -- Merle Reine Lindows.com Hardware Certification Specialist From webdev at aplonis.com Fri Sep 26 00:54:25 2003 From: webdev at aplonis.com (Rae) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:54:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving large archive Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20030925175419.031b7cf0@aplonis.com> Hello, I'm transferring lists from one server to another. A couple lists have extremely large archives and while running the bin/arch command it faults with a memory error (see below). Additionally, the same thing happens when I run it with the unlimit command. I've even increased the size of the server disk space. Same result. Does anyone know how I can solve this? Or how to take the listname.mbox apart to eliminate old messages? Or any other workable solution? TIA Rae -------------------------- 2003-September Updating index files for archive [2001-June] Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/arch", line 187, in ? main() File "bin/arch", line 177, in main archiver.close() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 304, in close self.update_dirty_archives() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 518, in update_dirty_archives self.update_archive(i) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1038, in update_archive self.__super_update_archive(archive) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 421, in update_archive self.__set_parameters(archive) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 336, in __set_parameters firstdate = self.database.firstdate(archive) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 209, in firstdate self.__openIndices(archive) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 240, in __openIndices self.__closeIndices() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 265, in __closeIndices index.close() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 187, in close fp.write(marshal.dumps(self.dict)) MemoryError From webdev at aplonis.com Fri Sep 26 01:15:12 2003 From: webdev at aplonis.com (Rae) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:15:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to disable html editing? Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20030925181304.03363cb0@aplonis.com> I would like to remove the option for the "Edit the public HTML pages" in the administration area. Where can I find this to comment it out? TIA Best wishes, Rae From webdev at aplonis.com Fri Sep 26 02:08:42 2003 From: webdev at aplonis.com (Rae) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:08:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to disable html editing? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20030925181304.03363cb0@aplonis.com> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20030925181304.03363cb0@aplonis.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20030925190508.03365a20@aplonis.com> To answer my own question... You need to hack the Mailman/Cgi/admin.py file, comment out the following: otherlinks.AddItem(Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('edithtml'), 'Edit the HTML for the public list pages')) Also remove the mailman/cgi-bin/edithtml binary (or rename it to keep it but disable it). Best wishes, Rae At 06:15 PM 9/25/2003, you wrote: >I would like to remove the option for the "Edit the public HTML pages" in >the administration area. Where can I find this to comment it out? > >TIA > >Best wishes, >Rae From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Sep 26 02:45:45 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:45:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to disable html editing? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20030925181304.03363cb0@aplonis.com> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20030925181304.03363cb0@aplonis.com> Message-ID: <20030926004545.GG13750@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rae wrote: > I would like to remove the option for the "Edit the public HTML pages" in > the administration area. Where can I find this to comment it out? $ grep -rl "Edit the public HTML pages" ~mailman/ /var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.pyc /var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py Edit the .py file (it might be in a different location depending on what you set $prefix to when installing, the default is /usr/local/mailman, IIRC). Remove or comment out these lines: otherlinks.AddItem(Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('edithtml'), _('Edit the public HTML pages'))) That will get rid of the link. If you don't want any admins to be able to be able to edit the pages even if they know the URL, then you should remove ~mailman/cgi-bin/edithtml. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Everyone should know of all information that others have deemed unfit for public knowledge. -- Author Unknown -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/c4w5uv+09NZUB1oRAiVNAKCQUATWqRzL/ptvzMn1eklloAqzYgCg4U+o NuaVYXNtDudc2m8TgWoOTQk= =APYX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ricardo at americasnet.com Fri Sep 26 08:47:36 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:47:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hide list address? Message-ID: <3f73e108.3ca.40d9.1572038306@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, Is there any way to configure Mailman such that, for an announcement-only type list, when a message is sent to the list, the To: shows the member's address, rather than the list address? Some list software allows the ability to hide the list address itself, so that address is not advertised. I couldn't find any configuration specific to that. From cocke at catherders.com Fri Sep 26 12:12:06 2003 From: cocke at catherders.com (Michael W.Cocke) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:12:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New artice on Mike's Notebook - Making the CGI interface ... In-Reply-To: <1ea.10486804.2ca51460@aol.com> References: <1ea.10486804.2ca51460@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:02:40 EDT, you wrote: >I dunno,, ive been wonderin about that myself, but some peeps online tend >to play email games, and i dont. >So go figure, u know the guy better than i do. >Later, yall.. >Me :-) I have no idea what you're talking about here. Mike- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. ----------------------------------------------------- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments. From system at eluminoustechnologies.com Fri Sep 26 13:49:00 2003 From: system at eluminoustechnologies.com (System) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:19:00 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <022001c38424$331be0e0$1a01a8c0@vishal> Hello All, I am trying to configure mailman on my server with qmail-1.03. 1. I have compiled mailman with ./configure --prefix=/home/mailman/foo --with-mail-gid=vchkpw --with-cgi-gid =nobody --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python 2. Edit /home/mailman/foo/Mailman/mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.foo.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.foo.com' add_virtualhost('lists.foo.com', 'lists.foo.com') ALLOW_SITE_ADMIN_COOKIES = 1 3. Set a password for list creation: cd /home/mailman/foo bin/mmsitepass 4. Edit qmail-to-mailman.py. At the top of the file, edit the two configuration variables: MailmanHome = "/home/mailman/foo"; MailmanOwner = postmaster at lists.foo.com; But still email are not send to the subscriber when they register not the admin. Please Help... Thank you, Tina... From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Sep 26 15:07:10 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 26 Sep 2003 09:07:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hide list address? In-Reply-To: <3f73e108.3ca.40d9.1572038306@server2.americasnet.com> References: <3f73e108.3ca.40d9.1572038306@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <1064581629.2604.2.camel@Anncons4> You can use Verp and you can edit the source so that it doesn't overtly show the list email address. Beyond that, your best bet is to simply use an ordinary alias with an MTA that allows restricted-posting. On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 02:47, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any way to configure Mailman such that, for an > announcement-only type list, when a message is sent to the > list, the To: shows the member's address, rather than the > list address? > > Some list software allows the ability to hide the list > address itself, so that address is not advertised. > > I couldn't find any configuration specific to that. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From ricardo at americasnet.com Fri Sep 26 16:27:33 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:27:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe members over the web? Message-ID: <3f744cd5.24.45c5.1251209863@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, I can't seem to find in the Membership Management section of the web interface, a way to subscribe new members. Can subscription only be done via a request, and not entered in by the administrator? Ricardo From jstaerk at usegroup.de Fri Sep 26 16:33:23 2003 From: jstaerk at usegroup.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jochen_St=E4rk?=) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:33:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe members over the web? In-Reply-To: <3f744cd5.24.45c5.1251209863@server2.americasnet.com> References: <3f744cd5.24.45c5.1251209863@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <3F744E33.7090009@usegroup.de> Ricardo Kleemann wrote: >Hi, > >I can't seem to find in the Membership Management section of >the web interface, a way to subscribe new members. > >Can subscription only be done via a request, and not entered >in by the administrator? > > Hi Ricardo, The List Administrator can subscribe them. At least in my membership-management page there is a section at the bottom of the screen labelled mass subscribe members with a textarea for as many eMail-Adresses you need. After that, the users do not need to confirm their subscription - not even if "send welcome message" is checked. bye, Jochen From ricardo at americasnet.com Fri Sep 26 16:32:53 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:32:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hide list address? Message-ID: <3f744e15.2c2.5290.1329438834@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, I guess I don't quite understand what you mean? ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > You can use Verp and you can edit the source so that it > doesn't overtly show the list email address. Beyond that, > your best bet is to simply use an ordinary alias with an > MTA that allows restricted-posting. > What exactly is Verp? I guess I can look at the source and try to figure out how to do that. How difficult is it to add a new configuration directive for that? I tried one trick, putting the list address in Bcc, but the message bounced because it has an "implicit destination" Ricardo From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Sep 26 17:02:29 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 26 Sep 2003 11:02:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hide list address? In-Reply-To: <3f744e15.2c2.5290.1329438834@server2.americasnet.com> References: <3f744e15.2c2.5290.1329438834@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <1064588549.2604.4.camel@Anncons4> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 10:32, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > Hi, > > I guess I don't quite understand what you mean? > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > > You can use Verp and you can edit the source so that it > > doesn't overtly show the list email address. Beyond that, > > your best bet is to simply use an ordinary alias with an > > MTA that allows restricted-posting. > > > > What exactly is Verp? > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.002.htp From martywalters at msn.com Thu Sep 25 19:29:19 2003 From: martywalters at msn.com (Marty Walters) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:29:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unable to get apache to see the /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin directory Message-ID: Can you give me some help with setting up mailman on hp-ux 11.0 and apache. it's the web server part that I can't seem to figure out. i can run cgi scripts in apache/perl but i'm not able to run any pyhon cgi programs. thanks marty walters From dafydd2277 at mac.com Thu Sep 25 19:41:13 2003 From: dafydd2277 at mac.com (David Barr) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:41:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Wrapper Not Working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <754D438C-EF7F-11D7-B8E5-000A95774B28@mac.com> On Thursday, Sep 25, 2003, at 10:25 US/Pacific, SoloCDM wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, SoloCDM wrote: >> I added the following to aliases in sendmail: >> >> >> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 12. (Reconfigure >> to take 12?) >> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 >> >> Where did I go wrong? > > The problem is the wrapper and it is focusing on mail gid, which is > 12. Mail is the group id used in /var/lib/mailman with Mailman > 2.0.13. I ran bin/check_perms -f and received "No problems found" as > the results. What is the solution? Sendmail works fine. > > Here's an interesting twist, I ran the following and received a > different gid: > > mail -s Testing allusers-admin at lists.deedsmiscentral.net | > /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner allusers > > Output: > > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 0. (Reconfigure to > take 0?) > Uh, did you run the "mail -s ..." command on the command line as root? David -- David - Offbeat http://www.dafydd.com dafydd - Online Fire2 - Burning Man ESD: Integrity*Commitment*Communication*Support Explosives are the ultimate power tool. -- Discovery Channel show. From ricardo at americasnet.com Fri Sep 26 17:36:58 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:36:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hide list address? Message-ID: <3f745d1a.10c.6671.190998242@server2.americasnet.com> Thanks. As far as changing the code, which python module handles then sending out of messages? I'd like to attempt adding a configuration directive that tells mailman to alter the To: to be the member's address, not the list address. Ricardo ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 10:32, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I guess I don't quite understand what you mean? > > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > > > > You can use Verp and you can edit the source so that > > > it doesn't overtly show the list email address. > > > Beyond that, your best bet is to simply use an > > > ordinary alias with an MTA that allows > > > restricted-posting. > > > > What exactly is Verp? > > > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.002.htp > > > From steiny at infopoint.com Fri Sep 26 18:16:05 2003 From: steiny at infopoint.com (Donald Steiny) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:16:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Handling those multiple domains/virtual hosts Message-ID: <000001c38449$7f1d6de0$06d0e9d8@infopoint.com> Did you ever figure out how to do this? Don Steiny From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri Sep 26 18:29:01 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:29:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hide list address? In-Reply-To: <3f745d1a.10c.6671.190998242@server2.americasnet.com> References: <3f745d1a.10c.6671.190998242@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <3F74694D.1030306@mitre.org> Ricardo, 1. You should turn on personalization within Mailman to better understand how it works. 2. You do understand that if you make every message different, then Mailman has to create 1 version of the message per subscriber. It doesn't have to do this if all the messages it sends are the same; it just sends one copy to the MTA. 3. If personalization doesn't do what you want, then you can investigate how to change the Reply-To: or CC: headers. You don't want to reinvent personalization from scratch. Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > Thanks. > > As far as changing the code, which python module handles > then sending out of messages? I'd like to attempt adding a > configuration directive that tells mailman to alter the To: > to be the member's address, not the list address. > > Ricardo > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > >>On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 10:32, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I guess I don't quite understand what you mean? >>> >>>----- Original Message Follows ----- >>> >>>>You can use Verp and you can edit the source so that >>>>it doesn't overtly show the list email address. >>>>Beyond that, your best bet is to simply use an >>>>ordinary alias with an MTA that allows >>>>restricted-posting. >>> >>>What exactly is Verp? >>> >> >> > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.002.htp > -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From strax at hotlinkz.net Fri Sep 26 22:41:50 2003 From: strax at hotlinkz.net (strax at hotlinkz.net) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:41:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe References: Message-ID: <001401c3846e$9dcaf9e0$6ba64a43@inetbiz> unsubscribe --- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 12, Issue 52 > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-users-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: Wrapper Not Working (David Barr) > 2. Re: Hide list address? (Ricardo Kleemann) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From paul at thcwd.com Sat Sep 27 03:05:26 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:05:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hide list address? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20030926200310.01e51490@mail.thcwd.com> Ricardo Kleemann wrote: >Is there any way to configure Mailman such that, for an >announcement-only type list, when a message is sent to the >list, the To: shows the member's address, rather than the >list address? Let me add to Jon's answer with the warning that doing these things is increasingly likely to cause mail to be tagged as spam and it can then be rejected, dumped or reported to a black list. I hate spam as much as the next guy (probably more) but the over zealous and often clueless attempts to stop it seem to be better and better at blocking legitimate, wanted mail. <>< Paul From jslists at mtwafrica.org Sat Sep 27 09:25:09 2003 From: jslists at mtwafrica.org (John Shane) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:25:09 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman bounces to porky.devel.redhat.com Message-ID: <3F755775.11322.3541F@localhost> Can anyone help me with this problem? I've discovered that some messages from my mailman installation went out with the following return path which is definitely not my system address: Return-Path: It has not done this consistently. Then I discovered when trying to check the list archives that it was checking porky.devel.redhat.com. Any idea what is happening or tips how to troubleshoot this? TIA. John From carda at two-wings.net Sat Sep 27 14:44:00 2003 From: carda at two-wings.net (Benedikt Carda) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:44:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie: New installation -- terrible load average Message-ID: <3F758610.2030506@two-wings.net> Hi, I have newly installed mailman (2.1.2) on my RedHat 9.0 system (with sendmail). Every time I start the qrunner daemon (/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start) the daemon uses 99% of CPU time. This is how command "top" looks like: > 12:44:22 up 54 min, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.02, 0.94 > 62 processes: 59 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped > CPU states: 87.0% user 13.0% system 0.0% nice 0.0% iowait 0.0% idle > Mem: 497636k av, 312156k used, 185480k free, 0k shrd, 16288k buff > 113272k actv, 204k in_d, 848k in_c > Swap: 1012052k av, 0k used, 1012052k free 32028k cached > > PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND > 1384 mailman 25 0 4800 4800 1932 R 99.9 0.9 17:19 0 python > 1 root 15 0 492 492 440 S 0.0 0.0 0:03 0 init Anyhow there is absolutely no load as this is only a test installation. I have created only two mailing lists (the mailman list and a second one) and I have only subscribed five users. There are no mails sent, and nothing else. I am running python 2.2.2-26. I have no idea what can be wrong and what I should do to correct this. I looked for the problem in the mailing list archives but high load average and CPU time consumption always seems to be connected with two main problems (heavy loaded lists and the lock-problem) but both are not applicable in that case (as locks are created correctly and removed correctly and also the logs do not report any errors). Any advice given would be very helpful. Thanks in advance. Benedikt. From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Sep 27 14:57:48 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Sep 2003 08:57:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman bounces to porky.devel.redhat.com In-Reply-To: <3F755775.11322.3541F@localhost> References: <3F755775.11322.3541F@localhost> Message-ID: <1064667467.2621.16.camel@Anncons4> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 03:25, John Shane wrote: > Can anyone help me with this problem? I've discovered that some > messages from my mailman installation went out with the following > return path which is definitely not my system address: > > Return-Path: > > It has not done this consistently. Then I discovered when trying to > check the list archives that it was checking porky.devel.redhat.com. > Any idea what is happening or tips how to troubleshoot this? TIA. > > John Let's see - I'm putting on my Mind-Reading Helmet and looking deep... deep... deeper... Ah! You are running Mailman version 2.1.1. And let's see... Your Operating systems... Hmmmm, I'm getting a color, it's orange... NO *red*... Red Hat! You're running on Red Hat 9! Whew. Oh. Well now that we've divined that information, you might be interested in reading the following post from the archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg18611.html Additionally (I predict!), you will become well acquainted with the use of the ~mailman/bin/withlist utility. I can say no more! The use of my Mind-Reading abilities has drained me completely... Jon "the psychic mailman" Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Sep 27 15:17:41 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Sep 2003 09:17:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie: New installation -- terrible load average In-Reply-To: <3F758610.2030506@two-wings.net> References: <3F758610.2030506@two-wings.net> Message-ID: <1064668660.2621.34.camel@Anncons4> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 08:44, Benedikt Carda wrote: > Hi, > > I have newly installed mailman (2.1.2) on my RedHat 9.0 system (with > sendmail). Every time I start the qrunner daemon > (/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start) the daemon uses 99% of CPU > time. This is how command "top" looks like: > > > 12:44:22 up 54 min, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.02, 0.94 > > 62 processes: 59 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped > > CPU states: 87.0% user 13.0% system 0.0% nice 0.0% iowait 0.0% idle > > Mem: 497636k av, 312156k used, 185480k free, 0k shrd, 16288k buff > > 113272k actv, 204k in_d, 848k in_c > > Swap: 1012052k av, 0k used, 1012052k free 32028k cached > > > > PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND > > 1384 mailman 25 0 4800 4800 1932 R 99.9 0.9 17:19 0 python > > 1 root 15 0 492 492 440 S 0.0 0.0 0:03 0 init > > Anyhow there is absolutely no load as this is only a test installation. > I have created only two mailing lists (the mailman list and a second > one) and I have only subscribed five users. There are no mails sent, and > nothing else. I am running python 2.2.2-26. > > I have no idea what can be wrong and what I should do to correct this. I > looked for the problem in the mailing list archives but high load > average and CPU time consumption always seems to be connected with two > main problems (heavy loaded lists and the lock-problem) but both are not > applicable in that case (as locks are created correctly and removed > correctly and also the logs do not report any errors). > > Any advice given would be very helpful. Thanks in advance. > > Benedikt. First of all, I've install Mailman a quite a few Red Hat 9 systems and I've never seen this behavior. Did you install from the RPM's? and follow the advice from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg18611.html Most importantly, try running "/var/mailman/bin/check_perms -f" Assuming your install is correct (and you haven't applied any patches that you didn't tell us about), lets get more information about what is going on... - Check your MTA (sendmail) logs and see if it's sending a lot of mail, especially local mail to "mailman". - What do you get when run: grep mailman /etc/aliases - Are there any messages in the Queues? To check the Queues, - Stop mailman: service mailman stop - cd /var/mailman/qfiles - ls * If there are any messages in the queues you will see them listed out as pairs of files (with really huge nonsensical names - date.time+MTAqname) Here is an example from a test install I run. It has three messages in the queue: 1063940316.823126+7e222a98096d06bd97f15e251156679fdb034db8.db 1063940316.823126+7e222a98096d06bd97f15e251156679fdb034db8.msg 1063991848.0743411+580b8cae276cdbaf50591b5d78fcfbc789031ae5.db 1063991848.0743411+580b8cae276cdbaf50591b5d78fcfbc789031ae5.msg 1063991975.730075+0951a3980aae459eb47a4aacef8f64953fc128bd.db 1063991975.730075+0951a3980aae459eb47a4aacef8f64953fc128bd.msg The original message should be in text stored in the *.msg file. Good luck - Jon Carnes From teastep at shorewall.net Sat Sep 27 16:05:37 2003 From: teastep at shorewall.net (Tom Eastep) Date: 27 Sep 2003 07:05:37 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman bounces to porky.devel.redhat.com In-Reply-To: <3F755775.11322.3541F@localhost> References: <3F755775.11322.3541F@localhost> Message-ID: <1064671537.21102.34.camel@wookie.shorewall.net> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 00:25, John Shane wrote: > Can anyone help me with this problem? I've discovered that some > messages from my mailman installation went out with the following > return path which is definitely not my system address: > > Return-Path: > > It has not done this consistently. Then I discovered when trying to > check the list archives that it was checking porky.devel.redhat.com. > Any idea what is happening or tips how to troubleshoot this? TIA. Known problem with Mailman 2.1.1-2 shipped with RH9. RedHat recently released a corrected version (2.1.1-4). -Tom -- Tom Eastep \ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool Shoreline, \ http://shorewall.net Washington USA \ teastep at shorewall.net From jstaerk at usegroup.de Sat Sep 27 18:04:03 2003 From: jstaerk at usegroup.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jochen_St=E4rk?=) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:04:03 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how does it work with virtual domains Message-ID: <3F75B4F3.3030107@usegroup.de> Hi List, I'm using Postfix with virtual domains, and tried something like in http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2002/debian-isp-200209/msg00052.html: I got entries for all users that mailman inserted in the alias in my virtual (like testing at lists.example.com list-testing) . The aliases are set correctly to execute the wrapper in /etc/aliases. I executed postmap /etc/postfix/virtual postalias /etc/aliases and rcpostfix reload (SuSE Linux uses rcpostfix). In /var/log/mail I see that the wrapper really IS executed (Sep 27 17:57:22 linux postfix/local[22221]: EE8681EB12: to=, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent ("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post mltest4")). Anyway, I never see any of those mails again. As there is nothing new in /var/lib/mailman/logs I even tried to redirect the wrapper output (>, 2>) to a log file but that did not grow and /var/lock/mail told me something about my wrapper had died unexpectedly with return code 6 (of course only as long as i tried it "extra-logging"). Can anybody help me? bye and thanks for all upcoming answers, Jochen From mail at schoeppi.net Sun Sep 28 10:58:23 2003 From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:58:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how does it work with virtual domains In-Reply-To: <3F75B4F3.3030107@usegroup.de> References: <3F75B4F3.3030107@usegroup.de> Message-ID: <20030928085823.GA1088@toshiba> Hello! On Sam, Sep 27, 2003 at 06:04:03 +0200, Jochen St?rk wrote: > I'm using Postfix with virtual domains, and tried something like in > http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2002/debian-isp-200209/msg00052.html: > I got entries for all users that mailman inserted in the alias in my > virtual (like testing at lists.example.com list-testing) . The aliases > are set correctly to > execute the wrapper in /etc/aliases. I executed postmap > /etc/postfix/virtual postalias /etc/aliases and rcpostfix reload (SuSE > Linux uses rcpostfix). > > In /var/log/mail I see that the wrapper really IS executed (Sep 27 > 17:57:22 linux postfix/local[22221]: EE8681EB12: > to=, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent > ("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post mltest4")). > > Anyway, I never see any of those mails again. As there is nothing new in > /var/lib/mailman/logs I even tried to redirect the wrapper output (>, > 2>) to a log file but that did not grow and /var/lock/mail told me > something about my wrapper had died unexpectedly with return code 6 (of > course only as long as i tried it "extra-logging"). Witch mailman version are you using and have you started the mailmanprocesses, if you using mailman 2.1.2: ps aux | grep mailman Regards, Schoeppi -- Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de mail at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de From patrice at ccs.usherbrooke.ca Fri Sep 26 18:38:13 2003 From: patrice at ccs.usherbrooke.ca (patrice at ccs.usherbrooke.ca) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:38:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy problem... Message-ID: <200309261238.14000.patrice@ccs.usherbrooke.ca> Hi, my problem : Using Mailman version 2.0.13 I ve checked the options that is to transform the mail adress to an unreadable format by SPAM engine... But in the archive, the adresses appear in clear... An idea ? Thanks to respond directly, i m not in the list Patrice From jamesnine at yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 01:25:15 2003 From: jamesnine at yahoo.com (James Nine) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot send out emails to list members from external email client Message-ID: <20030926232515.7956.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> I'm running: Mailman 2.0.11 Debian 3.0 Woody running Linux 2.4.18 i686 Exim 3.35 I ran apt-get install for both mailman and exim, so everything is from the debian dist. for 3.0 Woody. I have setup a test list on my.server.com. When I email to the list from my.server.com, it sends it properly to all users on the list. However, when I email the test list from elsewhere, for example, my yahoo email account or my work email, it will go to root at my.server.com ONLY, instead of to the distribution list members. Another thing to note: I was never able to get mailman to accept confirmation emails and respond back; I ended up just manually adding emails to the test list. Everything checks out... I went through the FAQ several times, and checked everything. cron is running, check_perms came out with no errors. The logs show nothing is wrong. I did a /usr/sbin/exim -bt test and -d 9 to diagnose everything but it works fine on the server side... it points correctly to the alias. What I'm baffled about is the client side, and why it does not deliver it to everyone on the test list. I'm wondering if this is an exim issue or a mailman issue? Both logs don't give me any clues. Thanks. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From alban at albassociates.com Sun Sep 28 03:07:27 2003 From: alban at albassociates.com (Alban Gjyrezi) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:07:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maximum number of recipients Message-ID: <000201c3855c$e38a6850$7c01a8c0@HOMEDOM> Hi, What is the maximum number of recipients you can have with MailMan. Thank you very much, Alban Gjyrezi System Analyst Alb Associates, Inc. www.AlbAssociates.com Email: alban at AlbAssociates.com Tel: 347-866-4585 Fax: 718-263-6310 Databases, Programming Networks, Internet Support, Troubleshooting From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Sep 28 15:40:10 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Sep 2003 09:40:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maximum number of recipients In-Reply-To: <000201c3855c$e38a6850$7c01a8c0@HOMEDOM> References: <000201c3855c$e38a6850$7c01a8c0@HOMEDOM> Message-ID: <1064756410.2609.8.camel@Anncons4> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 21:07, Alban Gjyrezi wrote: > Hi, > > What is the maximum number of recipients you can have with MailMan. > > Thank you very much, Well, I've got a really kick-ass mail cluster setup for one client that should be able to handle a list with ~500k with no hick-ups. It's only handling a third of that right now, but has lots of capacity to spare (memory, processing time for handling mail to list, and bandwidth). Jon Carnes From webdev at aplonis.com Sun Sep 28 16:11:30 2003 From: webdev at aplonis.com (Rae) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:11:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] disable attachments Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20030928090926.05278270@aplonis.com> Hello, In the Content Filtering, what should be placed in the field to remove ALL attachments? Or is there a better way to do it server-wide? TIA Best wishes, Rae From mailman_users_subscribed at mortencb.cx Sun Sep 28 17:23:54 2003 From: mailman_users_subscribed at mortencb.cx (Morten-Christian Bernson) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:23:54 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Login problems / No cookie set Message-ID: <18047180000.20030928172354@mortencb.cx> I have a new server with files copied over from the old server, both FreeBSD with Apache. The old list was 1.something, after moving files to the new server I installed Mailman 2.1.2. The list itself seems to work as it should (one can mail to it and get replies, new members can be added with add_members and so on), but the web-interface is not working at all. Whenever I try to login, it just shows the same login page again. I have tried with different browsers, and the same result. I have also tried with Opera with notify on cookies, and it doesn't seem like the server tries to set any cookie at all. I have this in my mm_cfg.py: ALLOW_SITE_ADMIN_COOKIES = Yes DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'our_mail_server' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'the_web_server' Could anyone point me in any direction as to get Mailman to set cookies so the webinterface can work again? From ian at canvey.com Sun Sep 28 20:08:52 2003 From: ian at canvey.com (Ian) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:08:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Imported subscribers not getting emails :( In-Reply-To: <18303796.1060466602@[192.168.168.100]> Message-ID: Hi, I am puzzled. I have an email list, that I set up with my email address. I then imported another 50odd addresses - these appear under membership. Any of these members can post to the list - but it is only received by myself (which was not imported). So they seem to be almost set to nomail - yet they are not. Does anyone have any thoughts as to what might be wrong? Regards, Ian From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Sep 28 22:03:25 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Sep 2003 16:03:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Imported subscribers not getting emails :( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064779405.2609.22.camel@Anncons4> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 14:08, Ian wrote: > Hi, > > I am puzzled. > > I have an email list, that I set up with my email address. I then imported another 50odd addresses - these appear under membership. > > Any of these members can post to the list - but it is only received by myself (which was not imported). > > So they seem to be almost set to nomail - yet they are not. > > Does anyone have any thoughts as to what might be wrong? > > > Regards, > > Ian Check your MTA and make sure that it is not bouncing or rejecting the other email addresses. In general you should look in the logs of both Mailman and your MTA to see if you can trace the messages. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jwblist at olympus.net Sun Sep 28 22:03:44 2003 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:03:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] description becomes title In-Reply-To: <0295F6581DE0BA4190CAA8D0073D94149A36@pdc.pcanz.org.nz> Message-ID: On 9/24/2003 17:54, "Richard Davis" wrote: > my list description is this: > A forum for Presbyterians to discuss issues > > > When an email is sent the replyto email address appears thus: > A forum for Presbyterians to discuss issues > > Which is all a bit weird. Any clues anyone? I "gave up" recently, and switched the ReplyTo: (the boss wants replies forced to the list) to Specific Address, addressing the list. I think the list description and the Reply-To: content should be divorced. --John From paul at thcwd.com Sun Sep 28 23:04:49 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:04:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there any way to get the date??? Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20030928160015.0390a4f0@mail.themarriagebed.com> I've asked this before, I've seen others ask it, and I've just spent hours searching for an answer and trying all I can think of to make it work. I would be really nice to be able to put the date a post was written after the subject and author in the "Archives by ..." view. Anyone made this work? Anyone have a clue how to make it work? Paul From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Sep 29 02:37:35 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:37:35 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there any way to get the date??? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20030928160015.0390a4f0@mail.themarriagebed.com> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20030928160015.0390a4f0@mail.themarriagebed.com> Message-ID: <20030929003735.GU17131@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul H Byerly wrote: > I've asked this before, I've seen others ask it, and I've just spent > hours searching for an answer and trying all I can think of to make it work. > > I would be really nice to be able to put the date a post was written > after the subject and author in the "Archives by ..." view. Anyone made > this work? Anyone have a clue how to make it work? I didn't have a clue a few minutes ago, and I won't say I have much better of one now, but here's a quick patch I made that seems to do what you want. You'll have to remove the dash escapes from the patch text put in by gpg (which will happen automatically if you have a good MUA that checks signatures for you). I could have sent this using the better PGP/MIME format, but too many (broken, IMO) MUA's make it a pain in the ass to read messages formatted that, despite the fact that it's a published RFC. Anyway, have someone that knows python and mailman better than I look this over before you use it for anything important. There's only two files I needed to modify, Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py, and templates/en/archidxentry.html. One thing I can see being a problem is that lines will get real long so the formatting in archidxentry.html might need to be played with to keep it readable. ===================================================================== - --- Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py~ Sun Sep 28 20:21:28 2003 +++ Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py Sun Sep 28 20:22:43 2003 @@ -965,16 +965,19 @@ def write_index_entry(self, article): subject = self.get_header("subject", article) author = self.get_header("author", article) + datestr = i18n.ctime(int(article.date)) if mm_cfg.ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS: author = re.sub('@', _(' at '), author) subject = CGIescape(subject, self.lang) author = CGIescape(author, self.lang) + datestr = CGIescape(datestr, self.lang) d = { 'filename': urllib.quote(article.filename), 'subject': subject, 'sequence': article.sequence, - - 'author': author + 'author': author, + 'datestr': datestr } print quick_maketext( 'archidxentry.html', d, - --- templates/en/archidxentry.html~ Mon Sep 22 15:46:26 2003 +++ templates/en/archidxentry.html Sun Sep 28 20:19:22 2003 @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@

%(subject)s - -%(author)s +%(author)s (%(datestr)s) ===================================================================== HTH, - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ ...know that worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble gum. -- Kurt Vonnegut -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/d37Puv+09NZUB1oRAnrfAJ9CUhDzoiFj72QGEb/UOhxeVG0MDgCg/nem 1onedRRztN5bhcJobU08PRA= =TdXH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mroberts at dairyweb.com.au Mon Sep 29 10:50:35 2003 From: mroberts at dairyweb.com.au (mroberts at dairyweb.com.au) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:50:35 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to insert header or footer in list post - Help Please Message-ID: <1064825435.3f77f25b3176c@dairyweb.onthe.net.au> Dear list Email posts sent to my mailing lists do not show the header and footer in the received email. I have tried mailing with the (Unaltered from install) default setting in non-digest member settings and then with my own text inserted. Is there a switch to enable these? I am using Mailman 2.0.13-1 on Plesk 6.0.1 (I have tried an upgrade to Mailman 2.1 on a test system but the Plesk system does not allow this to work) Operating system is Redhat 7.3 Can anyone help? From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Mon Sep 29 11:07:00 2003 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:07:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admins getting bounced Message-ID: <200309291107.00930.rousse@ccr.jussieu.fr> I'm both a site admin for a mailman server, and a list admin for several list hosted there. The problem is that as soon as some message posted to one of those list containing a virus is sent to me for approval, it gets refused by my university mail server, and i get unsubscribed of every mailing-list :-( There are two problems here: - for list admins, getting unsubscribed is painful - for users, getting unsubscribed for all lists whereas bounce occured only on one list is also a bit extreme What can i do ? -- What gets you promoted from one rank gets you killed in the next rank -- Murphy's New Military Laws n?17 From denlistes at altern.org Mon Sep 29 11:19:44 2003 From: denlistes at altern.org (Denis --) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:19:44 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin request sending 4 times Message-ID: <1064827184.625.89.camel@collectifs> Hi, I have (since a upgrade to mailman 2.1.1-5) a problem whit the admin request waiting. All messages are send 4 times to the moderator of the list. Some can help me to resolve this problem ? Thanks Denis From barry at python.org Mon Sep 29 15:10:14 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:10:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.3 Message-ID: <16248.12086.587819.677899@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I have released Mailman 2.1.3, a bug fix release which also contains support for four new languages: Ukrainian, Serbian, Euskara (Basque), and Danish. This release also contains a fix for a cross-site scripting vulnerability in the 'create' cgi script, as well as improved performance of the bounce and outgoing queue runners. I recommend all sites running versions of the 2.1.x line upgrade to the new version. The full source tarball has been made available from the usual sites (although the gnu.org sites have not yet been updated). Sorry, there is no patch available, but you should be able to install 2.1.3 over your existing 2.1.x installation. See http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 for links to download all the patches and the source tarballs. After installing, be sure you restart your Mailman daemon by doing a "mailmanctl restart". See also: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman http://www.list.org (not yet updated) http://mailman.sf.net Cheers, -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- 2.1.3 (28-Sep-2003) Performance, Reliability, Security - Closed a cross-site scripting exploit in the create cgi script. - Improvements in the performance of the bounce processor. Now, instead of processing each bounce immediately (which can cause severe lock contention), bounce events are queued. Every 15 minutes by default, the queued bounce events are processed en masse, on a list-per-list basis, so that each list only needs to be locked once. - When some or all of a message's recipients have temporary delivery failures, the message is moved to a "retry" queue. This queue wakes up occasionally and moves the file back to the outgoing queue for attempted redelivery. This should fix most observed OutgoingRunner 100% cpu consumption, especially for bounces to local recipients when using the Postfix MTA. - Optional support for fsync()'ing qfile data after writing. Under some catastrophic system failures (e.g. power lose), it would be possible to lose messages because the data wasn't sync'd to disk. By setting SYNC_AFTER_WRITE to True in Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, you can force Mailman to fsync() queue files after flushing them. The benefits are debatable for most operating environments, and you must ensure that your Python has the os.fsync() function defined before enabling this feature (it isn't, even on all Unix-like operating systems). Internationalization - New languages Ukrainian, Serbian, Danish, Euskara/Basque. - Fixes to template lookup. Lists with local overriding templates would find the wrong template. - .mo files (for internationalization) are now generated at build time instead of coming as part of the source distribution. Documentation - A first draft of member documentation by Terri Oda. There is also a Japanese translation of this manual by Ikeda Soji. Archiver / Pipermail - In the configuration variables PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, and PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, %(hostname)s has been added to the list of allowable substitution variables. - The timezone is now taken into account when figuring the posting date for an article. Scripts / Cron - Fixes to cron/disabled for NotAMemberError crashes. - New script bin/show_qfiles which prints the contents of .pck message files. New script bin/discard which can be used to mass discard held messages. - Fixes to cron/mailpasswds to account for old password-less subscriptions. - bin/list_members has grown two new options: --invalid/-i prints only the addresses in the member database that are invalid (which could have snuck in via old releases); --unicode/-u prints addresses which are stored as Unicode objects instead of as normal strings. Miscellaneous - Fixes to problems in some configurations where Python wouldn't be able to find its standard library. - Fixes to the digest which could cause MIME-losing missing newlines when parts are scrubbed via the content filters. - In the News/Mail gateway admin page, the configuration variable nntp_host can now be a name:port pair. - When messages are pulled from NNTP, the member moderation checks are short-circuited. - email 2.5.4 is included. This fixes an RFC 2231 bug, among possibly others. - Fixed some extra spaces that could appear in the List-ID header. - Fixes to ensure that invalid email addresses can't be invited. - WEB_LINK_COLOR in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py should now work. - Fixes so that shunted message file names actually match those logged in log/errors. - An improved pending action cookie generation algorithm has been added. - Fixes to the DSN bounce detector. - The usual additional u/i, internationalization, unicode, and other miscellaneous fixes. From ricardo at americasnet.com Mon Sep 29 16:37:06 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:37:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.3 Message-ID: <3f784392.2f.333a.2038150168@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, Is there a way for mailman's configure script to detect the current settings (such as --with-username, --with-mail-gid and so on)? Or is there a quick way for me to manually check what they should be? I want to be able to upgrade mailman, but I never remember exactly what those settings should be, and since I have non-default settings, everytime I rebuild mailman, everything goes out of whack because I haven't specified the appropriate configuration. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > I have released Mailman 2.1.3, a bug fix release which > also contains support for four new languages: Ukrainian, > Serbian, Euskara (Basque), and Danish. This release also > contains a fix for a cross-site scripting vulnerability in > the 'create' cgi script, as well as improved performance > of the bounce and outgoing queue runners. I recommend all > sites running versions of the 2.1.x line upgrade to the > new version. > > The full source tarball has been made available from the > usual sites (although the gnu.org sites have not yet been > updated). Sorry, there is no patch available, but you > should be able to install 2.1.3 over your existing 2.1.x > installation. See > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 > > for links to download all the patches and the source > tarballs. After installing, be sure you restart your > Mailman daemon by doing a "mailmanctl restart". > > See also: > > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman > http://www.list.org (not yet updated) > http://mailman.sf.net > > Cheers, > -Barry > > -------------------- snip snip -------------------- > 2.1.3 (28-Sep-2003) > > Performance, Reliability, Security > > - Closed a cross-site scripting exploit in the > create cgi script. > > - Improvements in the performance of the bounce > processor. > Now, instead of processing each bounce > immediately (which > can cause severe lock contention), bounce events > are queued. > Every 15 minutes by default, the queued bounce > events are > processed en masse, on a list-per-list basis, so > that each > list only needs to be locked once. > > - When some or all of a message's recipients have > temporary > delivery failures, the message is moved to a > "retry" queue. > This queue wakes up occasionally and moves the > file back to > the outgoing queue for attempted redelivery. > This should > fix most observed OutgoingRunner 100% cpu > consumption, > especially for bounces to local recipients when > using the > Postfix MTA. > > - Optional support for fsync()'ing qfile data > after writing. > Under some catastrophic system failures (e.g. > power lose), > it would be possible to lose messages because > the data > wasn't sync'd to disk. By setting > SYNC_AFTER_WRITE to True > in Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, you can force > Mailman to > fsync() queue files after flushing them. The > benefits are > debatable for most operating environments, and > you must > ensure that your Python has the os.fsync() > function defined > before enabling this feature (it isn't, even on > all > Unix-like operating systems). > > Internationalization > > - New languages Ukrainian, Serbian, Danish, > Euskara/Basque. > > - Fixes to template lookup. Lists with local > overriding > templates would find the wrong template. > > - .mo files (for internationalization) are now > generated at > build time instead of coming as part of the > source > distribution. > > Documentation > > - A first draft of member documentation by Terri > Oda. There > is also a Japanese translation of this manual by > Ikeda Soji. > > Archiver / Pipermail > > - In the configuration variables > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, and > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, %(hostname)s has been > added to > the list of allowable substitution variables. > > - The timezone is now taken into account when > figuring the > posting date for an article. > > Scripts / Cron > > - Fixes to cron/disabled for NotAMemberError > crashes. > > - New script bin/show_qfiles which prints the > contents of .pck > message files. New script bin/discard which can > be used to > mass discard held messages. > > - Fixes to cron/mailpasswds to account for old > password-less > subscriptions. > > - bin/list_members has grown two new options: > --invalid/-i > prints only the addresses in the member database > that are > invalid (which could have snuck in via old > releases); > --unicode/-u prints addresses which are stored > as Unicode > objects instead of as normal strings. > > Miscellaneous > > - Fixes to problems in some configurations where > Python wouldn't > be able to find its standard library. > > - Fixes to the digest which could cause > MIME-losing missing > newlines when parts are scrubbed via the content > filters. > > - In the News/Mail gateway admin page, the > configuration variable > nntp_host can now be a name:port pair. > > - When messages are pulled from NNTP, the member > moderation checks > are short-circuited. > > - email 2.5.4 is included. This fixes an RFC 2231 > bug, among > possibly others. > > - Fixed some extra spaces that could appear in the > List-ID header. > > - Fixes to ensure that invalid email addresses > can't be invited. > > - WEB_LINK_COLOR in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py should > now work. > > - Fixes so that shunted message file names > actually match > those logged in log/errors. > > - An improved pending action cookie generation > algorithm has > been added. > > - Fixes to the DSN bounce detector. > > - The usual additional u/i, internationalization, > unicode, and > other miscellaneous fixes. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: ricardo at americasnet.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ricardo%40americasnet.com From barry at python.org Mon Sep 29 16:41:14 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:41:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.3 In-Reply-To: <3f784392.2f.333a.2038150168@server2.americasnet.com> References: <3f784392.2f.333a.2038150168@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <1064846473.16310.70.camel@anthem> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 10:37, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a way for mailman's configure script to detect the > current settings (such as > --with-username, --with-mail-gid and so on)? > > Or is there a quick way for me to manually check what they > should be? > > I want to be able to upgrade mailman, but I never remember > exactly what those settings should be, and since I have > non-default settings, everytime I rebuild mailman, > everything goes out of whack because I haven't specified the > appropriate configuration. You can look in config.log (on some systems config.status). Look in the first bunch of lines and it will show you the options you used the last time you ran configure -- as long as you have your old source tree still around, of course! -Barry From cjl at QNET.COM Mon Sep 29 16:45:11 2003 From: cjl at QNET.COM (Chris Linstruth) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.3 In-Reply-To: <3f784392.2f.333a.2038150168@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: Take a look at config.status. -- Chris Linstruth On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there a way for mailman's configure script to detect the > current settings (such as > --with-username, --with-mail-gid and so on)? > > Or is there a quick way for me to manually check what they > should be? > > I want to be able to upgrade mailman, but I never remember > exactly what those settings should be, and since I have > non-default settings, everytime I rebuild mailman, > everything goes out of whack because I haven't specified the > appropriate configuration. > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > > > > I have released Mailman 2.1.3, a bug fix release which > > also contains support for four new languages: Ukrainian, > > Serbian, Euskara (Basque), and Danish. This release also > > contains a fix for a cross-site scripting vulnerability in > > the 'create' cgi script, as well as improved performance > > of the bounce and outgoing queue runners. I recommend all > > sites running versions of the 2.1.x line upgrade to the > > new version. > > > > The full source tarball has been made available from the > > usual sites (although the gnu.org sites have not yet been > > updated). Sorry, there is no patch available, but you > > should be able to install 2.1.3 over your existing 2.1.x > > installation. See > > > > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 > > > > for links to download all the patches and the source > > tarballs. After installing, be sure you restart your > > Mailman daemon by doing a "mailmanctl restart". > > > > See also: > > > > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman > > http://www.list.org (not yet updated) > > http://mailman.sf.net > > > > Cheers, > > -Barry > > > > -------------------- snip snip -------------------- > > 2.1.3 (28-Sep-2003) > > > > Performance, Reliability, Security > > > > - Closed a cross-site scripting exploit in the > > create cgi script. > > > > - Improvements in the performance of the bounce > > processor. > > Now, instead of processing each bounce > > immediately (which > > can cause severe lock contention), bounce events > > are queued. > > Every 15 minutes by default, the queued bounce > > events are > > processed en masse, on a list-per-list basis, so > > that each > > list only needs to be locked once. > > > > - When some or all of a message's recipients have > > temporary > > delivery failures, the message is moved to a > > "retry" queue. > > This queue wakes up occasionally and moves the > > file back to > > the outgoing queue for attempted redelivery. > > This should > > fix most observed OutgoingRunner 100% cpu > > consumption, > > especially for bounces to local recipients when > > using the > > Postfix MTA. > > > > - Optional support for fsync()'ing qfile data > > after writing. > > Under some catastrophic system failures (e.g. > > power lose), > > it would be possible to lose messages because > > the data > > wasn't sync'd to disk. By setting > > SYNC_AFTER_WRITE to True > > in Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, you can force > > Mailman to > > fsync() queue files after flushing them. The > > benefits are > > debatable for most operating environments, and > > you must > > ensure that your Python has the os.fsync() > > function defined > > before enabling this feature (it isn't, even on > > all > > Unix-like operating systems). > > > > Internationalization > > > > - New languages Ukrainian, Serbian, Danish, > > Euskara/Basque. > > > > - Fixes to template lookup. Lists with local > > overriding > > templates would find the wrong template. > > > > - .mo files (for internationalization) are now > > generated at > > build time instead of coming as part of the > > source > > distribution. > > > > Documentation > > > > - A first draft of member documentation by Terri > > Oda. There > > is also a Japanese translation of this manual by > > Ikeda Soji. > > > > Archiver / Pipermail > > > > - In the configuration variables > > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, and > > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, %(hostname)s has been > > added to > > the list of allowable substitution variables. > > > > - The timezone is now taken into account when > > figuring the > > posting date for an article. > > > > Scripts / Cron > > > > - Fixes to cron/disabled for NotAMemberError > > crashes. > > > > - New script bin/show_qfiles which prints the > > contents of .pck > > message files. New script bin/discard which can > > be used to > > mass discard held messages. > > > > - Fixes to cron/mailpasswds to account for old > > password-less > > subscriptions. > > > > - bin/list_members has grown two new options: > > --invalid/-i > > prints only the addresses in the member database > > that are > > invalid (which could have snuck in via old > > releases); > > --unicode/-u prints addresses which are stored > > as Unicode > > objects instead of as normal strings. > > > > Miscellaneous > > > > - Fixes to problems in some configurations where > > Python wouldn't > > be able to find its standard library. > > > > - Fixes to the digest which could cause > > MIME-losing missing > > newlines when parts are scrubbed via the content > > filters. > > > > - In the News/Mail gateway admin page, the > > configuration variable > > nntp_host can now be a name:port pair. > > > > - When messages are pulled from NNTP, the member > > moderation checks > > are short-circuited. > > > > - email 2.5.4 is included. This fixes an RFC 2231 > > bug, among > > possibly others. > > > > - Fixed some extra spaces that could appear in the > > List-ID header. > > > > - Fixes to ensure that invalid email addresses > > can't be invited. > > > > - WEB_LINK_COLOR in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py should > > now work. > > > > - Fixes so that shunted message file names > > actually match > > those logged in log/errors. > > > > - An improved pending action cookie generation > > algorithm has > > been added. > > > > - Fixes to the DSN bounce detector. > > > > - The usual additional u/i, internationalization, > > unicode, and > > other miscellaneous fixes. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: ricardo at americasnet.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ricardo%40americasnet.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: cjl at qnet.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/cjl%40qnet.com > From pug at pug.net Mon Sep 29 16:49:38 2003 From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:49:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.3 In-Reply-To: <3f784392.2f.333a.2038150168@server2.americasnet.com>; from ricardo@americasnet.com on Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:37:06AM -0700 References: <3f784392.2f.333a.2038150168@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <20030929094938.A8092@stardock.pug.net> Ricardo Kleemann (ricardo at americasnet.com) said something that sounded like: > Is there a way for mailman's configure script to detect the > current settings (such as --with-username, --with-mail-gid and so on)? > > Or is there a quick way for me to manually check what they > should be? I always keep my build directory for at least one version back. Because of that, I can look at the top of the config.status file to see how I called configure. Ciao, -- Pug Bainter | AMD, Inc. System Engineer, MTS | Mail Stop 625 Pug.Bainter at amd.com | pug at pug.net | 5900 E. Ben White Blvd Phone: (512) 602-0364 | Fax: (512) 602-6970 | Austin, TX 78741 Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter. From BAtkins at osc.uscg.mil Mon Sep 29 18:17:24 2003 From: BAtkins at osc.uscg.mil (Atkins, Brian) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:17:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Icons Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831704085F2C@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil> I'm looking to remove the mailman and other icons that show up at the bottom of the general info, archives, and admin page. I'm not up on Python yet. Has anyone attempted this before? Been successful? Brian From mailman at vo.cnchost.com Mon Sep 29 19:49:08 2003 From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:49:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] flood of unsubs may be heading your way Message-ID: <6.0.0.10.0.20030929104315.041fb0f0@127.0.0.1> In the default mailman install, a subscription is automatically disabled when mail starts repeatedly bouncing. The subscriber is then emailed a reminder every 4 weeks telling them that they are disabled and that they can re-enable their subscription. After 5 weeks the account is removed (unsubscribed). 5 weeks ago many email boxes started to overflow with virus laden email. So if you notice a sudden flurry of unsubscribes from your mailman hosted lists, it's probably just those inactive email addresses finally being removed from your list roster, 5 weeks later. jc From list_usr at spacebox.net Mon Sep 29 20:37:17 2003 From: list_usr at spacebox.net (Duke) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:37:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mysterious behaviour Message-ID: <20030929183716.GA8949@mobius.spacebox.net> I'm running a list where all new users receive a digest by default (I actually submitted a bug about this because they're not set to digest by default when mass subscribing, but that's not really what this is about.) I have the crontab (edited with crontab -e mailman) set to send the digests at 11pm (23:00) every day. However, on this particular list, digests are not being made, and the messages are being sent out to the users as they come in. I went over every user and manually set their digest option (135 users, someone please fix that bug! ;) I also have "digestable" set to "yes". I'm running 2 other lists that aren't having this problem. I looked in the list directory, and there isn't even a digest.mbox being created. Also, what's this attachment scrubbing all about? All the attachments coming through are being scrubbed, but I don't want attachments to be touched at all. I set "filter_content" to "no", but attachments are still being scrubbed. Relating to attachments and html, is there a way I can allow attachments to come through, but have html tags stripped? I see some messages coming through saying "an html attachment was scrubbed..." The message is intact w/out html tags, so what's going on there? Is part of the html stripping process to scrub the attachments, or is the html attachment being scrubbed because all attachments are being scrubbed? Also, is it possible to permit only one user to send attachments (or would this have undesirable effects, such as with html emails?) Basically what I'd like is digests sent at 23:00hrs, html stripped, attachments not scrubbed. I'm using Mailman 2.1.1 (installed by hand), Postfix 2.0.11, Linux kernel 2.4.22, Gentoo Linux distribution, Apache 2.0.47. Thank you in advance! -- Matt. (btw, re: new release 2.1.3, there's no info in the UPGRADING file about going from 2.1.x to 2.1.y.) From merle.reine at lindows.com Tue Sep 30 00:12:50 2003 From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:12:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: Mailman 2.2.2-91 with Postfix. Mailman setup correctly but get the following error in /var/log/mail: Sep 29 15:14:48 mail postfix/pipe[1541]: 733ECC334: to=, relay=cyrus, delay=0, status=bounced (data format error. Command output: staff: Mailbox does not exist ) Any ideas? -- Merle Reine Lindows.com Hardware Certification Specialist From merle.reine at lindows.com Tue Sep 30 00:15:12 2003 From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:15:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman send error (mailbox does not exist) Message-ID: Mailman 2.2.2-91 with Postfix. Mailman setup correctly but get the following error in /var/log/mail: Sep 29 15:14:48 mail postfix/pipe[1541]: 733ECC334: to=, relay=cyrus, delay=0, status=bounced (data format error. Command output: staff: Mailbox does not exist ) Any ideas? -- Merle Reine Lindows.com Hardware Certification Specialist From probsd at ec.rr.com Tue Sep 30 00:49:46 2003 From: probsd at ec.rr.com (Michael Sharp) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail_gid for mailman 2.1.3 under freebsd Message-ID: <1301.192.168.1.4.1064875786.squirrel@probsd.org> what is the MAIL_GID for Mailman under FreeBSD using postfix. make options is showing.. MTA | MAIL_GID | Submitted by Exim3 | nobody (65534) | Exim4 | mail (6) | Postfix | mailman | Qmail | ??? | ---------------------------------------------------- obviously: make MAIL_GID=mailman install clean is working. michael From probsd at ec.rr.com Tue Sep 30 13:41:46 2003 From: probsd at ec.rr.com (Michael Sharp) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix MAIL_GID Message-ID: <1649.192.168.1.4.1064922106.squirrel@probsd.org> What is the numerical MAIL_GID for postfix? 'make options' used to give that number but it isnt anymore. michael From javier.romero at cedex.es Tue Sep 30 14:00:17 2003 From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:00:17 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help! In-Reply-To: <1649.192.168.1.4.1064922106.squirrel@probsd.org> References: <1649.192.168.1.4.1064922106.squirrel@probsd.org> Message-ID: <3F797051.5020605@cedex.es> Could somebody explain me those errors? it seem a digest-sending error... i don't know wath is shunting. sometimes my list get blocked, and stops sending messages, i don't know why... thanks Sep 30 01:58:42 2003 (8287) SHUNTING: 1064879920.485554+1f3257711ef626ea6713a74e aa7db53845d4665e Sep 30 02:12:11 2003 (8287) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name Sep 30 02:12:11 2003 (8287) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispo Sep 30 04:02:06 2003 (8287) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digest s msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in process t = t.encode(charset, 'replace') File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in search_function mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*') ValueError: Empty module name -- Javier Romero Casado tel.913357274 Dep. Comunicaciones CEDEX From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 30 15:12:22 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Sep 2003 09:12:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix MAIL_GID In-Reply-To: <1649.192.168.1.4.1064922106.squirrel@probsd.org> References: <1649.192.168.1.4.1064922106.squirrel@probsd.org> Message-ID: <1064927542.2634.1.camel@Anncons4> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 07:41, Michael Sharp wrote: > What is the numerical MAIL_GID for postfix? 'make options' used to give > that number but it isnt anymore. > > michael > > As I understand it, Postfix will run the CGI's as the user/group that owns the alias file (as long as it isn't root). So create a secondary Aliases file that is just for Mailman aliases and set it's ownership/group to Mailman (well, at least the group). The README.Postfix has a good write up of this. That file is included with the source. Jon Carnes From anders at norrbring.biz Tue Sep 30 15:25:13 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:25:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request.. Message-ID: <200309301323.h8UDNiOG031963@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com> Hiya! Would it be to much to ask for a language specific request? Both I and my users think a function to post different messages to different users depending of their language choice would be great! F.x. I run a news/info list that both English and Swedish users are hooked up to, if I write an English-only mail, that should go out to users who chose English only, and the same for Swedish, and then some feature to make messages go to both (all) if it's a multi-language message. Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting From khera at kcilink.com Tue Sep 30 15:43:12 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:43:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix MAIL_GID In-Reply-To: <1649.192.168.1.4.1064922106.squirrel@probsd.org> References: <1649.192.168.1.4.1064922106.squirrel@probsd.org> Message-ID: <16249.34928.952408.121894@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "MS" == Michael Sharp writes: MS> What is the numerical MAIL_GID for postfix? 'make options' used to give MS> that number but it isnt anymore. You don't need to use a numeric GID, you can use the group name. If you're using the postfix integration with Mailman, then I'd suggest using MAIL_GID=mailman since the aliases and virtual files are owned by mailman, and postfix will do delivery as that user. If you use the FreeBSD port to install Mailman, it will tell you this ;-) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera at kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ From psmelt at sungazer.nl Tue Sep 30 16:30:38 2003 From: psmelt at sungazer.nl (Pieter Smelt) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:30:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on cobalt Message-ID: <000001c3875f$6e3759f0$7500a8c0@acer> Hi all, I'm no linux expert myself, but I've got some questions. I'm looking for a mailinglistmanager which can manage mailinglist for up to 100.000 addresses. Furthermore it's gotta run on a Cobalt machine running Linux. I also am looking for info about installation times, system impact, use of LDAP services, integration with existing databases. Hope to hear from anyone soon, With kind regards, Pieter Smelt, Sungazer Hosting psmelt at sungazer.nl From dmtalon at v8eaters.com Tue Sep 30 16:47:16 2003 From: dmtalon at v8eaters.com (Dallace Marable) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:47:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Corrupt config.db (and missing config.db.last) Message-ID: <200309301447.h8UElGIL001905@v8eaters.com> Hello all, I'm hoping someone can point me into a direction that will allow me to rebuild a mailing list that I created about 3 months ago that got corrupt last night. Quick story and then the question. Story: Having a weird problem where my HDD (linux) goes into read only. when this happens I can't do anything that requires writing. Well this happened last night, and it wouldn't let me umount / init 1 so I had to just power off . On bootup fsck couldn't fix all the problems automatically so I had to run fsck manually. There were problems with the file /var/lib/mailman/cincidsm/config.db.last which I was asked to "fix(y)" and I did. Problem: Now, when I email the list, I get a bounce, and error's in the /var/log/mailman/error log. I can't get to the email right now, but the error log show's: admin(1260): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.11 -----] admin(1260): [----- Traceback ------] admin(1260): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(1260): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 98, in run_main admin(1260): main() admin(1260): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 38, in main admin(1260): FormatListinfoOverview() admin(1260): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 84, in FormatListinfoOverview admin(1260): mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) admin(1260): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__ admin(1260): self.Load() admin(1260): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 904, in Load admin(1260): raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e admin(1260): MMCorruptListDatabaseError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/cincidsm/config.db.last' I also see another error in there: Sep 30 09:40:28 2003 (1260) cincidsm db file was corrupt, using fallback: /var/lib/mailman/lists/cincidsm/config.db.last Sep 30 09:40:28 2003 (1260) cincidsm fallback was corrupt, giving up Sep 30 09:40:28 2003 admin(1260): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Is there any way to fix this situation without deleting and recreating the list? Are there ways to "rebuild" the config file from the command line? Any help would be greatly appreciated, as until i get this worked out my list it down :-( Thanks, Dallace From wspivak at sbanetweb.com Tue Sep 30 16:50:18 2003 From: wspivak at sbanetweb.com (Wayne Spivak) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:50:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1.3 and List Moderator Passwords Message-ID: <00b601c38762$2a952cb0$faa8a8c0@accountcfo> I just updated from 2.1.2 to 2.1.3. On one of my lists, I can not get the List Moderator passwd to work. I can change the List Admin, and that works, but no matter what type of passwd I use, the Moderator pw will not validate. The Site pw works just fine. Any ideas? From wspivak at sbanetweb.com Tue Sep 30 17:00:12 2003 From: wspivak at sbanetweb.com (Wayne Spivak) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:00:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a patch which improves bulk mailing? Message-ID: <00c901c38763$8cb74940$faa8a8c0@accountcfo> I have two lists, each with 20,000 names on them. The algorithm Mailman uses, to create the list e-mail output, is to say the least inefficient. There was a program that was used in conjunction with Majordomo called Bulk-mailer which did a tremendous job. In effect, it bundled addresses based on domain name, and let you limit how many domain names were sent in the same e-mail. This way, on a 20K list, maybe 500 e-mails would go out, but they would do it in a fraction of the time Mailman currently does it (it takes about 6 - 10 hours). Thanks. From ewilts at ewilts.org Tue Sep 30 17:07:33 2003 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:07:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request.. In-Reply-To: <200309301323.h8UDNiOG031963@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com>; from anders@norrbring.biz on Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 03:25:13PM +0200 References: <200309301323.h8UDNiOG031963@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com> Message-ID: <20030930100733.B19390@www.ewilts.org> On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 03:25:13PM +0200, Anders Norrbring wrote: > Would it be to much to ask for a language specific request? > > Both I and my users think a function to post different messages to different > users depending of their language choice would be great! > > F.x. I run a news/info list that both English and Swedish users are hooked > up to, if I write an English-only mail, that should go out to users who > chose English only, and the same for Swedish, and then some feature to make > messages go to both (all) if it's a multi-language message. I see this as impossible. To the best of my knowledge, there is no definitive way to tell which language a message is written in. There is a large overlap between words in different languages, and I expect this problem to grow over time. I'd suggest that you run one list for your English users and one for your Swedish users. The sign up instructions shouild be clear which one the users should use. If you sent the confirmation instructions via an e-mail in Swedish, I would expect your English users to not reply to that e-mail. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From anders at norrbring.biz Tue Sep 30 17:13:19 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:13:19 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request.. In-Reply-To: <20030930100733.B19390@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <200309301511.h8UFBmsW003160@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com> > On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 03:25:13PM +0200, Anders Norrbring wrote: > > Would it be to much to ask for a language specific request? > > > > Both I and my users think a function to post different messages to > different > > users depending of their language choice would be great! > > > > F.x. I run a news/info list that both English and Swedish users are > hooked > > up to, if I write an English-only mail, that should go out to users who > > chose English only, and the same for Swedish, and then some feature to > make > > messages go to both (all) if it's a multi-language message. > > I see this as impossible. To the best of my knowledge, there is no > definitive way to tell which language a message is written in. There is > a large overlap between words in different languages, and I expect this > problem to grow over time. > > I'd suggest that you run one list for your English users and one for > your Swedish users. The sign up instructions shouild be clear which one > the users should use. If you sent the confirmation instructions via an > e-mail in Swedish, I would expect your English users to not reply to > that e-mail. Oh well, half of my mail was lost in some way? Perhaps my Outlook Beta. However, my suggestion was to use either the first line of the mess OR a keyword in the subject line to define the language. Anders. From little at abaqus.com Tue Sep 30 17:15:05 2003 From: little at abaqus.com (Jim Littlefield) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:15:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a patch which improves bulk mailing? In-Reply-To: <00c901c38763$8cb74940$faa8a8c0@accountcfo> References: <00c901c38763$8cb74940$faa8a8c0@accountcfo> Message-ID: <3F799DF9.3000505@abaqus.com> Wayne Spivak wrote: >I have two lists, each with 20,000 names on them. The algorithm Mailman >uses, to create the list e-mail output, is to say the least inefficient. > >There was a program that was used in conjunction with Majordomo called >Bulk-mailer which did a tremendous job. > >In effect, it bundled addresses based on domain name, and let you limit >how many domain names were sent in the same e-mail. This way, on a 20K >list, maybe 500 e-mails would go out, but they would do it in a fraction >of the time Mailman currently does it (it takes about 6 - 10 hours). > >Thanks. > > Rather than modifying Mailman, you may want to consider another MTA. What are you using today? -- Jim Littlefield "I'm writing a book. I've got the page numbers done, so now I just have to fill in the rest." - Steven Wright From whoward2 at toughguy.net Tue Sep 30 13:38:09 2003 From: whoward2 at toughguy.net (Will Howard) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:38:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modify Email Transformation Message-ID: <20030930073809.36335f05.whoward2@toughguy.net> Hello: I would like to change the tranformation of email addresses from "username at domain.com" to "username at domain dot com" like php.net. Is there one function in a particular file that performs the transformation? ++Peace, -- Will Howard From jslists at mtwafrica.org Tue Sep 30 18:23:35 2003 From: jslists at mtwafrica.org (John Shane) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:23:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman bounces to porky.devel.redhat.com In-Reply-To: <1064667467.2621.16.camel@Anncons4> References: <3F755775.11322.3541F@localhost> Message-ID: <3F79CA27.22486.208EEA2@localhost> Well, you could probably already see this coming but I thought I'd write anyway to say I found the message, followed your directions and voila, the little pig ran home. Many thanks, John On 27 Sep 2003 at 8:57, Jon Carnes wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 03:25, John Shane wrote: > Can anyone help me with this problem? I've discovered that some > messages from my mailman installation went out with the following > return path which is definitely not my system address: > > Return-Path: > > It has not done this consistently. Then I discovered when trying to > check the list archives that it was checking porky.devel.redhat.com. > Any idea what is happening or tips how to troubleshoot this? TIA. > > John Let's see - I'm putting on my Mind-Reading Helmet and looking deep... deep... deeper... Ah! You are running Mailman version 2.1.1. And let's see... Your Operating systems... Hmmmm, I'm getting a color, it's orange... NO *red*... Red Hat! You're running on Red Hat 9! Whew. Oh. Well now that we've divined that information, you might be interested in reading the following post from the archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- users at python.org/msg18611.html Additionally (I predict!), you will become well acquainted with the use of the ~mailman/bin/withlist utility. I can say no more! The use of my Mind-Reading abilities has drained me completely... Jon "the psychic mailman" Carnes From dtran at agentissoftware.com Mon Sep 29 09:04:38 2003 From: dtran at agentissoftware.com (dean tran) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:04:38 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error when running /var/mailman/bin/arch on the rename list Message-ID: Hello, I just rename the listname and run /var/mailman/bin/arch ae ... and have the following error: # ./arch ae .. Updating HTML for article 518 Updating HTML for article 520 Updating index files for archive [2003-September] Date Traceback (most recent call last): File "./arch", line 187, in ? main() File "./arch", line 177, in main archiver.close() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 304, in close self.update_dirty_archives() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 518, in update_dirty_archives self.update_archive(i) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1032, in update_archive self.__super_update_archive(archive) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 424, in update_archive self._update_simple_index(hdr, archive, arcdir) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 440, in _update_simple_index article = self.database.getArticle(self.archive, msgid) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 285, in getArticle article = self.__cache[msgid] = pickle.loads(buf) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 334, in __setstate__ d['_mlist'] = self._open_list(listname) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 299, in _open_list except Errors.MMListError, e: NameError: global name 'Errors' is not defined Would you point me to the right direction to fix this ? Thanks Best regards, DeanTran From mroberts at dairyweb.com.au Mon Sep 29 09:12:20 2003 From: mroberts at dairyweb.com.au (Mark Roberts) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:12:20 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to enable Header and Footer Message-ID: <000801c38659$05b7f8a0$0400a8c0@dairywebtech> Is this the correct address for support questions? Otherwise, is there a forum or support list that I can post a question to? My problem is that email posts sent to my mailing lists do not show the header and footer in the received email. I have tried mailing with the default setting in non-digest member settings and then with my own text inserted. Is there a switch to enable these? I am using Mailman 2.0.13-1 on Plesk 6.0.1 (I have tried an upgrade to Mailman 2.1 on a test system but the Plesk system does not allow this to work) Operating system is Redhat 7.3 Can you help? From valites at geneseo.edu Mon Sep 29 15:00:51 2003 From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Header from Digest Lists Message-ID: (Please cc me in on reply as I am no longer a list member) I'm running MailMan 2.1.2 here at my site. Lately, many of my digested list owners have been whining^hcommenting on how the message header with information on the list gets inserted into the message text before all the digested messages & leads list members to think the digest is junk. I did some quick looking around & wasn't able to find out how to disable this behavior. Some digging through the archives suggested turning off the footer for the message, but this didn't work for me either. Is there a proper way to do this? Thanks in advance, -Mark -- Mark T. Valites Unix Systems Analyst CIT - SUNY Geneseo >--))> >--))> From dowser at sunshinecable.com Mon Sep 29 16:41:25 2003 From: dowser at sunshinecable.com (Chris ) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:41:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting as announce-only Message-ID: <3F77E225.8776.1F55DE6@localhost> Hi there, I've created a monster - I moved people from an announcement only list run by a different script to Mailman with posting privilege - and people started screaming! I guess some people don't want to see other postings. How do I set the Mailman so only I have posting privilege? I'd really appreciate your help - I don't want to loose about 1,000 subscribers and also want to reach them all (unlike other script). Thank you, Chris Gozdzik ________________________________________ -Divining Mind Radiesthetic Supplies Quality Pendulums and Divining Rods http://diviningmind.com From Wayne at dnamodels.com Mon Sep 29 17:07:52 2003 From: Wayne at dnamodels.com (Wayne Spivak) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:07:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a patch which improves bulk mailing? Message-ID: I have two lists, each with 20,000 names on them. The algorithm Mailman uses, to created the list e-mail, is inefficient. There was a program that was used in conjunction with Majordomo called Bulk-mailer which did a tremendous job. In effect, it bundled addresses based on domain name, and let you limit how many domain names were sent in the same e-mail. This way, on a 20K list, maybe 500 e-mails would go out, but they would do it in a fraction of the time Mailman currently does it (it takes about 6 - 10 hours). Thanks. From ms at probsd.org Tue Sep 30 13:39:57 2003 From: ms at probsd.org (Michael Sharp) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix MAIL_GID Message-ID: <1627.192.168.1.4.1064921997.squirrel@probsd.org> What is the numerical MAIL_GID for postfix? 'make options' used to give that number but it isnt anymore. From pug at pug.net Tue Sep 30 18:37:35 2003 From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:37:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not sleeping for locks? Message-ID: <20030930113735.A17184@stardock.pug.net> Good Morning, We've been noticing a very high load on our fileserver that holds our mailman spool. This morning when I ran 2 archivers at once because of a backlog to a list, I noticed that the stat request volume sky rocketed. From strace'ing a second archiver running, I see that the system doesn't even a tenth of a second in what I assume is the time.sleep call. [...] 11:15:10.712914 gettimeofday({1064938510, 712937}, NULL) = 0 11:15:10.712976 gettimeofday({1064938510, 712998}, NULL) = 0 11:15:11.512977 gettimeofday({1064938511, 512995}, NULL) = 0 11:15:11.513035 gettimeofday({1064938511, 513051}, NULL) = 0 [...] Now maybe I'm not understanding what the following code is supposed to do: def __sleep(self): interval = random.random() * 2.0 + 0.01 time.sleep(interval) but I read it to be sleeping for between 0.01 and 2.01 seconds. During my traces, I never saw it sleep even 0.01 seconds, let alone anything ressembling something reasonably random. Am I just missing something? This was noticed on: Mailman version: 2.1.2 Python version: 2.2.2 OS version: Solaris 2.8 and RedHat 7.3 Thanks for any help! NOTE: I'm not on the developers list, but I thought they might have an answer for this behavior. Ciao, -- Pug Bainter | AMD, Inc. System Engineer, MTS | Mail Stop 625 Pug.Bainter at amd.com | pug at pug.net | 5900 E. Ben White Blvd Phone: (512) 602-0364 | Fax: (512) 602-6970 | Austin, TX 78741 Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Sep 30 18:44:39 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:44:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request.. In-Reply-To: <200309301323.h8UDNiOG031963@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com> Message-ID: <61EC1348-F365-11D7-8EE8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 02:25 pm, Anders Norrbring wrote: > Hiya! > > Would it be to much to ask for a language specific request? > > Both I and my users think a function to post different messages to > different > users depending of their language choice would be great! > > F.x. I run a news/info list that both English and Swedish users are > hooked > up to, if I write an English-only mail, that should go out to users who > chose English only, and the same for Swedish, and then some feature to > make > messages go to both (all) if it's a multi-language message. > > Maybe the Topics feature of MM 2.1.x be a way of addressing this in the short term? > > Anders Norrbring > Norrbring Consulting > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 30 18:51:31 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Sep 2003 12:51:31 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman bounces to porky.devel.redhat.com In-Reply-To: <3F79CA27.22486.208EEA2@localhost> References: <3F755775.11322.3541F@localhost> <3F79CA27.22486.208EEA2@localhost> Message-ID: <1064940691.2634.5.camel@Anncons4> Ha ha! Sorry about that... I hadn't had my morning coffee yet. I'm glad it was helpful though! Take care - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 12:23, John Shane wrote: > Well, you could probably already see this coming but I thought I'd write > anyway to say I found the message, followed your directions and voila, > the little pig ran home. > > Many thanks, John > > On 27 Sep 2003 at 8:57, Jon Carnes wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 03:25, John Shane wrote: > > Can anyone help me with this problem? I've discovered that some > > messages from my mailman installation went out with the following > > return path which is definitely not my system address: > > > > Return-Path: > > > > It has not done this consistently. Then I discovered when trying to > > check the list archives that it was checking porky.devel.redhat.com. > > Any idea what is happening or tips how to troubleshoot this? TIA. > > > > John > > Let's see - I'm putting on my Mind-Reading Helmet and looking deep... > deep... deeper... Ah! You are running Mailman version 2.1.1. > > And let's see... Your Operating systems... Hmmmm, I'm getting a color, > it's orange... NO *red*... Red Hat! You're running on Red Hat 9! Whew. > > Oh. Well now that we've divined that information, you might be > interested in reading the following post from the archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- > users at python.org/msg18611.html > > > Additionally (I predict!), you will become well acquainted with the > use of the ~mailman/bin/withlist utility. > > I can say no more! The use of my Mind-Reading abilities has drained > me completely... > > Jon "the psychic mailman" Carnes > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From dikshie at ppk.itb.ac.id Tue Sep 30 19:09:43 2003 From: dikshie at ppk.itb.ac.id (Dikshie) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:09:43 +0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix MAIL_GID In-Reply-To: <1627.192.168.1.4.1064921997.squirrel@probsd.org> References: <1627.192.168.1.4.1064921997.squirrel@probsd.org> Message-ID: <20030930170943.GA35499@ppk.itb.ac.id> Michael Sharp (ms at probsd.org) wrote: > What is the numerical MAIL_GID for postfix? 'make options' used to give > that number but it isnt anymore. I'm still confused about MAIL_GID cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman make options make MAIL_GID=mailman install clean after that I got: RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/local/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) with best regards, -dikshie- From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 30 19:48:45 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Sep 2003 13:48:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix MAIL_GID In-Reply-To: <20030930170943.GA35499@ppk.itb.ac.id> References: <1627.192.168.1.4.1064921997.squirrel@probsd.org> <20030930170943.GA35499@ppk.itb.ac.id> Message-ID: <1064944125.4500.2.camel@Anncons4> The rights on the file /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases are not set properly. Try setting the file rights to 666 and see if the error goes away. Then you can tighten the rights up further This is discussed in exhausting detail in the archives. Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 13:09, Dikshie wrote: > Michael Sharp (ms at probsd.org) wrote: > > What is the numerical MAIL_GID for postfix? 'make options' used to give > > that number but it isnt anymore. > > I'm still confused about MAIL_GID > > cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman > make options > make MAIL_GID=mailman install clean > > > > after that I got: > > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/local/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) > > > > > > with best regards, > > -dikshie- > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From dkruger at hillel.org Tue Sep 30 20:04:53 2003 From: dkruger at hillel.org (Kruger, David) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:04:53 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Word Attachments Message-ID: Can I send message with Word attachments to a Mailman list? If so, what settings to I need to enable? --------------------------------------------------------- David Kruger Director Information Technology Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Campus Life 202-449-6545 dkruger at hillel.org From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 30 20:06:00 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Sep 2003 14:06:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Corrupt config.db (and missing config.db.last) In-Reply-To: <200309301447.h8UElGIL001905@v8eaters.com> References: <200309301447.h8UElGIL001905@v8eaters.com> Message-ID: <1064945160.4500.8.camel@Anncons4> you can use the "strings" utility on the existing (but corrupt) files and see if there is any valuable ascii information in the sections of the file that are not corrupt. Segments of the user list crop up in the database several times so you might be able to resurrect your list that way. Painful, but it can be done. Since you apparently don't have backups - naughty naughty! - you might also be able to look in the log files and resurrect your user list that way. Look for a message going out to the list, mark down the time, head over to the MTA logs and look at all the outgoing mail beginning at that time. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 10:47, Dallace Marable wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm hoping someone can point me into a direction that will allow me to > rebuild a mailing list that I created about 3 months ago that got > corrupt last night. Quick story and then the question. > > Story: > Having a weird problem where my HDD (linux) goes into read only. when > this happens I can't do anything that requires writing. Well this > happened last night, and it wouldn't let me umount / init 1 so I had to > just power off . On bootup fsck couldn't fix all the problems > automatically so I had to run fsck manually. There were problems with > the file /var/lib/mailman/cincidsm/config.db.last which I was asked > to "fix(y)" and I did. > > Problem: > Now, when I email the list, I get a bounce, and error's in > the /var/log/mailman/error log. I can't get to the email right now, > but the error log show's: > > admin(1260): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.11 -----] > admin(1260): [----- Traceback ------] > admin(1260): Traceback (most recent call last): > admin(1260): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 98, in > run_main > admin(1260): main() > admin(1260): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line > 38, in main > admin(1260): FormatListinfoOverview() > admin(1260): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line > 84, in FormatListinfoOverview > admin(1260): mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) > admin(1260): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in > __init__ > admin(1260): self.Load() > admin(1260): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 904, > in Load > admin(1260): raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e > admin(1260): MMCorruptListDatabaseError: [Errno 2] No such file or > directory: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/cincidsm/config.db.last' > > I also see another error in there: > Sep 30 09:40:28 2003 (1260) cincidsm db file was corrupt, using > fallback: /var/lib/mailman/lists/cincidsm/config.db.last > Sep 30 09:40:28 2003 (1260) cincidsm fallback was corrupt, giving up > Sep 30 09:40:28 2003 admin(1260): > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > > Is there any way to fix this situation without deleting and recreating > the list? Are there ways to "rebuild" the config file from the command > line? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated, as until i get this worked out > my list it down :-( > > Thanks, > > Dallace > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 30 20:17:11 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Sep 2003 14:17:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on cobalt In-Reply-To: <000001c3875f$6e3759f0$7500a8c0@acer> References: <000001c3875f$6e3759f0$7500a8c0@acer> Message-ID: <1064945831.4500.20.camel@Anncons4> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 10:30, Pieter Smelt wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm no linux expert myself, but I've got some questions. > > I'm looking for a mailinglistmanager which can manage mailinglist for up to > 100.000 addresses. Mailman has not problems with that - assuming you have some RAM to give it to use. > Furthermore it's gotta run on a Cobalt machine running Linux. I've installed Mailman on a cobalt, so I know it can be done. Did you also want multi-domain support? That's harder, but definitely do-able. > I also am looking for info about installation times, When I install on an ordinary system it takes 4 - 6 hours, multiply that by 6 for a cobalt running chrooted apps and having to setup mailman to run in multiple domains inside the chrooted systems. > system impact, The biggest impact to the system will be RAM for really large lists (100k shouldn't be too bad). Also, archiving the email lists will eat up some time and resources as the cobalts have IDE drives (at least the ones I've done did). > use of > LDAP services, The MTA can definitely use LDAP, but there is no direct link between Mailman and LDAP > integration with existing databases. There is no direct integration with external databases at this time. It is a great feature that will be coming soon - especially if Barry can get any help in implementing it. Most folks setup external scripts/apps that act as gateways to move the data between a Mailman database and an external database. Mailman has some very nice tools to help setup this external integration. > > Hope to hear from anyone soon, > > With kind regards, > Good Luck - Jon Carnes From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Sep 30 20:49:24 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:49:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modify Email Transformation In-Reply-To: <20030930073809.36335f05.whoward2@toughguy.net> References: <20030930073809.36335f05.whoward2@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <20030930184924.GC17131@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Will Howard wrote: > I would like to change the tranformation of email addresses from "username > at domain.com" to "username at domain dot com" like php.net. Is there one > function in a particular file that performs the transformation? I think (well, that might be an overstatement, but anyway) that the files you want to look at are ~mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py for the archiver's replacement, search for ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS. There are about 4 places you would likely want to change. There is also a method in ~mailman/Mailman/Utils.py, ObscureEmail, that controls how the addresses are obscured in Mailman web pages. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ The reason we have elected officials is so that we don't have to think for ourselves. -- Homer Simpson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/edA0uv+09NZUB1oRAu0IAKCT94DLWZsVR9ac847mv2XOyBusmwCcDjQZ 6nymjcvNa4TkW5nrruYp67w= =QBZu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From khera at kcilink.com Tue Sep 30 21:00:42 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:00:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix MAIL_GID In-Reply-To: <20030930170943.GA35499@ppk.itb.ac.id> References: <1627.192.168.1.4.1064921997.squirrel@probsd.org> <20030930170943.GA35499@ppk.itb.ac.id> Message-ID: <16249.53978.537250.153576@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "d" == dikshie writes: d> cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman d> make options d> make MAIL_GID=mailman install clean d> after that I got: d> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/local/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) make sure /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases and ..../data/virtual are owned by user mailman, as are the *.db versions of the same files. In my installation, the data directory is group writable by group mailman. I assume the port did it that way, as I don't recall changing the group ownership, but it is possible. What's the output of: ls -la /usr/local/mailman/data on your system? From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Sep 30 22:58:39 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:58:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.3 version Mailman-htdig integration patches available Message-ID: I have uploaded updated files to sourceforge for the following patches and bugs I maintain, which include my Mailman-HTdig integration patches. You can reach them through: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103 Mailman - Patches ----------------- #444879 - Archive indexer control to improve index #444884 - Integration of Mailman & htdig for archi #644797 - Revised mailer exit status #644810 - Sendmail mailer in Python #760567 - moderation request message content Mailman - Bugs -------------- #777444 - mailmanctl doesn't setgroups when run as root They are also available through: http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/index.html If you encounter any problems with downloading or using these patches then let me know. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From rday at tsl.state.tx.us Tue Sep 30 22:59:22 2003 From: rday at tsl.state.tx.us (Rob Day) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:59:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of All Subscribers Message-ID: <1863ABF011CCD611BE5B00065B3D8A5701F12DEB@EXCHANGE> My organization recently switched from Majordomo to Mailman. We are *very* happy with the change to say the least. One of my list owners needs to get a list of all subscribers for a particular list and she needs to do this frequently. She does not have shell access to the box running Mailman. With Majordomo it was a simple matter of sending Majordomo the "who" command. Is there something comparable in Mailman? The web interface doesn't solve the problem because it doesn't show all subscribers at once. I was about to set up a cron job to email her the list of subscribers weekly, but I thought I'd check with this list first. Is there a Mailman equivalent for the Majordomo command "who"? Thanks. -Rob From mark at pdc-racing.net Tue Sep 30 23:03:28 2003 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:03:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.3 version Mailman-htdig integration patches available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8A703294-F389-11D7-BE7A-003065553436@pdc-racing.net> On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 01:58 PM, Richard Barrett wrote: > I have uploaded updated files to sourceforge for the following patches > and bugs I maintain, which include my Mailman-HTdig integration > patches. You can reach them through: [munch] > #444879 - Archive indexer control to improve index > > #444884 - Integration of Mailman & htdig for archi THANK YOU, Richard! - Mark ----- mark at pdc-racing.net From walter at wikipedia.be Tue Sep 30 22:59:03 2003 From: walter at wikipedia.be (Walter Vermeir) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin adress does not work Message-ID: Hi, I have a problem whit the "admin" emailadress of a mailman list. The list used to use Mailman version 2.0.13 The "admin" emailadress of the mailing list we used for exernall communication, for questions of visitors and for a press relase. So it is a important adress. The list software is now updated to version 2.1.2 After some time i found out that emails to the "admin" adress where not recieved. The where lost. In the this version of mailman the "admin"-adress seems to be now the "owner"-adress. Is it normal that the "admin" adress does not work anymore? How can the "admin"-adress work again? -- Contact: walter AT wikipedia.be Ook een artikeltje schrijven? WikipediaNL, de vrije GNU/FDL encyclopedie http://www.wikipedia.be From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Sep 30 23:12:33 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:12:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of All Subscribers In-Reply-To: <1863ABF011CCD611BE5B00065B3D8A5701F12DEB@EXCHANGE> References: <1863ABF011CCD611BE5B00065B3D8A5701F12DEB@EXCHANGE> Message-ID: <20030930211233.GD17131@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rob Day wrote: > I was about to set up a cron job to email her the list of subscribers > weekly, but I thought I'd check with this list first. Is there a Mailman > equivalent for the Majordomo command "who"? Thanks. There is, but it's confusingly named "who". ;-) See the results of the help command to info on using it (e.g., send mail to listname-request at domain.tld with help in the subject or body). - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ All of human unhappiness comes from one single thing, which is not knowing how to remain quietly in one room. -- Pascal -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/efHBuv+09NZUB1oRAkIaAJ4gsXoDgX8JF16He6p/JinNCZ5sVwCfTBfN NXMS6s6GETi8qH8fPjQrOsY= =RX72 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Sep 30 23:54:06 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Sep 2003 17:54:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin adress does not work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064958846.4500.44.camel@Anncons4> Add a new aliases for each list: -admin: -owner Enjoy! Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:59, Walter Vermeir wrote: > Hi, > > I have a problem whit the "admin" emailadress of a mailman list. > > The list used to use Mailman version 2.0.13 > > The "admin" emailadress of the mailing list we used for exernall > communication, for questions of visitors and for a press relase. > > So it is a important adress. > > The list software is now updated to version 2.1.2 > > After some time i found out that emails to the "admin" adress where not > recieved. The where lost. > > In the this version of mailman the "admin"-adress seems to be now the > "owner"-adress. > > Is it normal that the "admin" adress does not work anymore? > > How can the "admin"-adress work again? > > From merle.reine at lindows.com Tue Sep 30 23:44:03 2003 From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:44:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error sending to a list Message-ID: I am getting the following error, any ideas? I am using 2.1.1 mailman and postfix. postfix works fine but can not send to any of the lists. I am using /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases and have added it to /etc/postfix/main.cf as hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases. I ran check_perms, and everything in the readme files. Any help is greatly appreciated: The Postfix program : data format error. Command output: staff: Mailbox does not exist Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.lfriendly.com Arrival-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Final-Recipient: rfc822; staff at lfriendly.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; data format error. Command output: staff: Mailbox does not exist -- Merle Reine Lindows.com Hardware Certification Specialist From ms at probsd.org Tue Sep 30 19:24:03 2003 From: ms at probsd.org (Michael Sharp) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix MAIL_GID In-Reply-To: <20030930170943.GA35499@ppk.itb.ac.id> References: <1627.192.168.1.4.1064921997.squirrel@probsd.org> <20030930170943.GA35499@ppk.itb.ac.id> Message-ID: <1063.192.168.1.4.1064942643.squirrel@probsd.org> > Michael Sharp (ms at probsd.org) wrote: >> What is the numerical MAIL_GID for postfix? 'make options' used to give >> that number but it isnt anymore. > > I'm still confused about MAIL_GID > > cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman > make options > make MAIL_GID=mailman install clean > > > > after that I got: > > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/local/sbin/postalias > /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) > > with best regards, > > -dikshie- Are you confused by my question? If so, Mailman has to be told which MTA is is being built with, and that was done with make MAIL_GID=65535 install clean because in 'make options' postfix had a designation of 65535. michael From babre at copper.net Tue Sep 30 22:30:14 2003 From: babre at copper.net (Sy evans) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:30:14 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting archive files Message-ID: <3F79E7D6.000003.18695@oemcomputer> Is there a way to delete Archive files? Thanks in advance. Sy Evans From jdoe2468 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 30 23:20:21 2003 From: jdoe2468 at hotmail.com (john doe) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:20:21 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error sending to mailbox Message-ID: I get the following when trying to send to the any Mailman list mailbox: : data format error. Command output: staff: Mailbox does not exist Reporting-MTA: dns; somedomain.com Arrival-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Final-Recipient: rfc822; staff at somedomain.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; data format error. Command output: staff: Mailbox does not exist Any ideas? _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC. Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963