From AMoore at sunrisewindows.com  Wed Oct  1 00:59:51 2003
From: AMoore at sunrisewindows.com (Amanda Moore)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:59:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another Poor CPanel User
Message-ID: <EB344933C4FFD51189EF0002B36149220E50C7@MAIL>

Hi, all.  Sorry to disturb you with this, as I know you have already been
addressing these issues, both in your FAQ and on this list.
 
I am just a novice graphic designer trying to create an announcement-only
mailing list for a ministry site.  Mailman is part of CPanel, which is what
my site's host offers.  I love how easy-to-use Mailman is, but I'm stuck on
one particular thing.  In the FAQ, the instructions given for changing the
welcome message are as follows:
 
"In Mailman 2.1.x you can customize the welcome message.  Create  a
directory lists/<yourlist>/en (assuming English :) and copy
  templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory.  Then edit this file   for
your specific wording.  Mailman will use this specialized 
  template for the English welcome messages."
 
Now, please assume I know nothing about anything, and then simplify things
from there.  I would like to change the welcome message, but am unable to do
so, given that I am a complete idiot.  These instructions sound as if they
were for folks who have Mailman installed on their own servers, instead of
someone using Mailman as I am doing.  Am I correct?  And is there anything I
can do about this?  (Besides throwing a temper-tantrum with the CPanel folks
or my hosting company?)
 
I am wanting to do a mass subscription to this new list pretty soon, so I
would deeply appreciate a reply at someone's earliest convenience.  I'll
treat you to a virtual cup of coffee.  ;-)  Thanks so much in advance.

Yours confusedly,
Amanda
 
P.S.  CPanel is running Mailman 2.1.2.


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct  1 00:59:27 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 30 Sep 2003 18:59:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of All Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <1863ABF011CCD611BE5B00065B3D8A5701F12DEB@EXCHANGE>
References: <1863ABF011CCD611BE5B00065B3D8A5701F12DEB@EXCHANGE>
Message-ID: <1064962767.4500.54.camel@Anncons4>

On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:59, Rob Day wrote:
> My organization recently switched from Majordomo to Mailman. We are *very*
> happy with the change to say the least.
> One of my list owners needs to get a list of all subscribers for a
> particular list and she needs to do this frequently. She does not have shell
> access to the box running Mailman. With Majordomo it was a simple matter of
> sending Majordomo the "who" command. Is there something comparable in
> Mailman? The web interface doesn't solve the problem because it doesn't show
> all subscribers at once.
> I was about to set up a cron job to email her the list of subscribers
> weekly, but I thought I'd check with this list first. Is there a Mailman
> equivalent for the Majordomo command "who"? Thanks.
> -Rob
> 

Oddly enough Rob, there is a similar command for Mailman.  It's called
the "who" command.  It works pretty much exactly like the majordomo one.

For a list of commands take a peek at:
  ~mailman/Mailman/Commands

You can parse the commands through more to look at them and see what
each one does. As an example, here is a portion of the file cmd_who.py

======
PUBLICHELP = _("""
    who
        See everyone who is on this mailing list.
""")
 
MEMBERSONLYHELP = _("""
    who password [address=<address>]
        See everyone who is on this mailing list.  The roster is 
        limited to list members only, and you must supply your
        membership password to retrieve it.  If you're posting
        from an address other than your membership address,
        specify your membership address with `address=<address>'
        (no brackets around the email address, and no quotes!)
""")
 
ADMINONLYHELP = _("""
    who password
        See everyone who is on this mailing list.  The roster is
        limited to list administrators and moderators only; you
        must supply the list admin or moderator password to
        retrieve the roster.
""")
 
======

This one of the many, many reasons I love working with Mailman. I hope
you find this helpful.

Jon Carnes





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct  1 01:05:11 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 30 Sep 2003 19:05:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin adress does not work
In-Reply-To: <oprwb1aiaqyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
References: <blcqqm$efe$1@sea.gmane.org> <1064958846.4500.44.camel@Anncons4>
	<oprwb1aiaqyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
Message-ID: <1064963111.4500.59.camel@Anncons4>

It's trying to deliver mail to a local user (or mailbox) called "staff",
and it's not finding one.

Looks like you have an error in your aliases file (or in one of the
postfix config files).  Grep for the word "staff" in your aliases files
and see if you've got it sitting alone (separated by spaces or commas)
on the right-hand side of the ":" 

Happy hunting - Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 17:43, Merle Reine wrote:
> I am getting the following error, any ideas?  I am using 2.1.1 mailman and 
> postfix.  postfix works fine but
> can not send to any of the lists.  I am using 
> /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases and have added it to /etc/postfix/main.cf as 
> hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.  I ran check_perms, and everything in 
> the readme files.  Any help is greatly appreciated:
> 
> 
> The Postfix program
> 
> <staff at lfriendly.com>: data format error. Command output: staff: Mailbox 
> does
>      not exist
> 
> Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.lfriendly.com
> Arrival-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:56:57 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> Final-Recipient: rfc822; staff at lfriendly.com
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; data format error. Command output: staff: 
> Mailbox
>      does not exist
> 
> 
> 
> On 30 Sep 2003 17:54:06 -0400, Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > Add a new aliases for each list:
> >    <listname>-admin: <listname>-owner
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Jon Carnes
> >
> > On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:59, Walter Vermeir wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have a problem whit the "admin" emailadress of a mailman list.
> >>
> >> The list used to use Mailman version 2.0.13
> >>
> >> The "admin" emailadress of the mailing list we used for exernall
> >> communication, for questions of visitors and for a press relase.
> >>
> >> So it is a important adress.
> >>
> >> The list software is now updated to version 2.1.2
> >>
> >> After some time i found out that emails to the "admin" adress where not
> >> recieved. The where lost.
> >>
> >> In the this version of mailman the "admin"-adress seems to be now the
> >> "owner"-adress.
> >>
> >> Is it normal that the "admin" adress does not work anymore?
> >>
> >> How can the "admin"-adress work again?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: 
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: merle.reine at lindows.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/merle.reine%40lindows.com
> 
> 




From list_usr at spacebox.net  Wed Oct  1 01:08:39 2003
From: list_usr at spacebox.net (Duke)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:08:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Word Attachments
In-Reply-To: <A7C3955F62F2E742A12A4AB07C09ADEC67DE9C@moses.ad.hillel.org>
References: <A7C3955F62F2E742A12A4AB07C09ADEC67DE9C@moses.ad.hillel.org>
Message-ID: <20030930230839.GE6844@mobius.spacebox.net>

You should be able to send those to a list no problem, so long as the
attachment doesn't exceed the maximum allowed size (max_message_size in
general options), or break any filter rules you may have set.  If
someone is receiving digests in "plain" format, then the attachment will
be scrubbed and they'll be provided with an URL where they can download
it.  If they're receiving MIME digests, the attachment will be sent
along with the digest.

This may not be accurate - I figured it all out just today, and it seems
to work.

    -- Matt.



On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 02:04:53PM -0400, Kruger, David wrote:
> Can I send message with Word attachments to a Mailman list?  If so, what
> settings to I need to enable?
>  
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> David Kruger




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct  1 02:36:04 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 30 Sep 2003 20:36:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another Poor CPanel User
In-Reply-To: <EB344933C4FFD51189EF0002B36149220E50C7@MAIL>
References: <EB344933C4FFD51189EF0002B36149220E50C7@MAIL>
Message-ID: <1064968564.4500.71.camel@Anncons4>

You guessed correctly - the instructions are for folks who admin the
server.  Unfortunately it is rare for a person using CPanel to have real
administrative access to their server.

Now, it is possible for the real admin of the server to give you access
to your lists so that you could actually modify certain list-specific
files. It is up to you, however, to convince your service provider to
set that access up.

One way would be for them to make you the "owner" of your list's
configuration files and directories (since Mailman only uses the "group"
rights for access), then to set-up sym-links from your lists directories
into your private space.

That way you could only muck up your own lists...

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 18:59, Amanda Moore wrote:
> Hi, all.  Sorry to disturb you with this, as I know you have already been
> addressing these issues, both in your FAQ and on this list.
>  
> I am just a novice graphic designer trying to create an announcement-only
> mailing list for a ministry site.  Mailman is part of CPanel, which is what
> my site's host offers.  I love how easy-to-use Mailman is, but I'm stuck on
> one particular thing.  In the FAQ, the instructions given for changing the
> welcome message are as follows:
>  
> "In Mailman 2.1.x you can customize the welcome message.  Create  a
> directory lists/<yourlist>/en (assuming English :) and copy
>   templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory.  Then edit this file   for
> your specific wording.  Mailman will use this specialized 
>   template for the English welcome messages."
>  
> Now, please assume I know nothing about anything, and then simplify things
> from there.  I would like to change the welcome message, but am unable to do
> so, given that I am a complete idiot.  These instructions sound as if they
> were for folks who have Mailman installed on their own servers, instead of
> someone using Mailman as I am doing.  Am I correct?  And is there anything I
> can do about this?  (Besides throwing a temper-tantrum with the CPanel folks
> or my hosting company?)
>  
> I am wanting to do a mass subscription to this new list pretty soon, so I
> would deeply appreciate a reply at someone's earliest convenience.  I'll
> treat you to a virtual cup of coffee.  ;-)  Thanks so much in advance.
> 
> Yours confusedly,
> Amanda
>  
> P.S.  CPanel is running Mailman 2.1.2.
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From dikshie at ppk.itb.ac.id  Wed Oct  1 08:24:05 2003
From: dikshie at ppk.itb.ac.id (Dikshie)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:24:05 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix MAIL_GID
In-Reply-To: <16249.53978.537250.153576@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
References: <1627.192.168.1.4.1064921997.squirrel@probsd.org>
	<20030930170943.GA35499@ppk.itb.ac.id>
	<16249.53978.537250.153576@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
Message-ID: <20031001062405.GA71410@ppk.itb.ac.id>

Vivek Khera (khera at kcilink.com) wrote:
> make sure /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases and ..../data/virtual are
> owned by user mailman, as are the *.db versions of the same files.
> In my installation, the data directory is group writable by group
> mailman.  I assume the port did it that way, as I don't recall
> changing the group ownership, but it is possible.
> 
> What's the output of:
> 
> ls -la /usr/local/mailman/data
> 
> on your system?


just fresh installed again with mailman-2.1.3 from FreeBSD port
(and offcourse I've installed postfix-devel  from FreeBSD port too)

ipv6#ipv6# uname -srm
FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT i386

ipv6#cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman
ipv6#make MAIL_GID=mailman install clean

ipv6# ls -la  /usr/local/mailman/
total 40
drwxrwsr-x  20 mailman  mailman   512 Oct  1 12:51 .
drwxr-xr-x  18 root     wheel     512 Oct  1 12:49 ..
drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman  1536 Oct  1 13:00 Mailman
drwxrwsr-x   4 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 12:51 archives
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman  1024 Oct  1 12:52 bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 12:51 cgi-bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 12:52 cron
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 13:00 data
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 12:51 icons
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 12:51 lists
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 13:00 locks
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 12:55 logs
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 12:51 mail
drwxrwsr-x  24 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 12:51 messages
drwxrwsr-x   6 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 12:51 pythonlib
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 12:51 qfiles
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 12:52 scripts
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 12:51 spam
drwxrwsr-x  26 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 12:51 templates
drwxrwsr-x   4 root     mailman   512 Oct  1 12:51 tests



then:

ipv6#cd /usr/local/mailman
ipv6#bin/genaliases
ipv6#su
ipv6#chown mailman:mailman data/aliases*

ipv6# ls -la /usr/local/mailman/data/
total 70
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman    512 Oct  1 13:00 .
drwxrwsr-x  20 mailman  mailman    512 Oct  1 12:51 ..
-rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman    357 Oct  1 13:00 aliases
-rw-r-----   1 mailman  mailman  65536 Oct  1 13:00 aliases.db
-rw-r--r--   1 root     mailman     10 Oct  1 12:52 last_mailman_version
-rw-r--r--   1 root     mailman  14110 Oct  1 12:51 sitelist.cfg

then I edited postfix's main.cf

ipv6#  vi /usr/local/etc/postfix/main.cf
       alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases








many thanks !

-dikshie-



From gour at mail.inet.hr  Wed Oct  1 08:22:47 2003
From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:22:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.3 version Mailman-htdig integration
	patches available
In-Reply-To: <DDD0D6CA-F388-11D7-8EE8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <DDD0D6CA-F388-11D7-8EE8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031001062247.GA4555@mail.inet.hr>

Richard Barrett (r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk) wrote:

> I have uploaded updated files to sourceforge for the following patches 
> and bugs I maintain, which include my Mailman-HTdig integration 
> patches. You can  reach them through:

Is there any chance for these patches to become integrated in the official
distribution.

We are just configuring one server which runs Gentoo and it is a pain to 
always manually patch Mailman, instead of plain "emerge".

Sincerely,
Gour

-- 
Gour
gour at mail.inet.hr
Registered Linux User #278493




From esbjerg at xbsd.net  Wed Oct  1 11:24:48 2003
From: esbjerg at xbsd.net (Sven Esbjerg)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:24:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] group trouble
Message-ID: <20031001092448.GG228@gosling.home.xbsd.net>

I have recently installed mailman 2.2.1 on an OpenBSD 3.3 Sparc64 server.
When I send mail to a test list mailman complains that postfix is executing
the mailman script with the wrong group. The message is:

"/usr/local/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces gl4". Command output: Group            
    mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as         
    group "nobody", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as            
    group "mailman".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group           
    "nobody", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option                   
    `--with-mail-gid=mailman'.     

However mailman was installed with ./configure --with-mail-gid=nobody which
is the ports way on openbsd. I tried changing the --with-mail-gid= to use
mailman. This results in mailman complaing that the script was executed with
group nobody but it expected mailmani - the opposite as before.
I have tried changing the group permissions on the alias files to match the
complaint (after reading the archives). This didn't change a bit.

I'm at loss here. Could somebody give me a hint on how to solve this?

Sven Esbjerg
CPH Denmark
-- 
http://www.usenet.dk/netikette - p? forh?nd tak.




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 12:50:33 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:50:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.3 version Mailman-htdig integration
	patches available
In-Reply-To: <20031001062247.GA4555@mail.inet.hr>
Message-ID: <1546C6B3-F3FD-11D7-8EE8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 07:22  am, Gour wrote:

> Richard Barrett (r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk) wrote:
>
>> I have uploaded updated files to sourceforge for the following patches
>> and bugs I maintain, which include my Mailman-HTdig integration
>> patches. You can  reach them through:
>
> Is there any chance for these patches to become integrated in the 
> official
> distribution.
>

A perfectly reasonable question.

> We are just configuring one server which runs Gentoo and it is a pain 
> to
> always manually patch Mailman, instead of plain "emerge".
>

It is pain for me too, as the author and maintainer of these patches, 
particularly #444879 and #444884. I have to retest and, if necessary, 
rework and again retest them against each new MM release. Yes, I would 
have to do some of this work as I use the patches on systems I manage 
but the time and effort to try an deliver a trouble free and documented 
patch to a wider community arguably doubles the effort I expend.

As I write, the sourceforge page for patch #444884 appears to be broken 
(again), probably because the number of files associated with the patch 
has hit some PHP limit when rendering the page - that was the problem 
the last time this occurred.

All these files have accumulated to cater for the numerous releases of 
MM since I first developed the patch (and some fixing of my bugs 
introduced by my patched code). But I do not have the necessary 
privileges to delete the older, obsolete files from sourceforge.

But the real problem is that no consensus has been reached on 
committing Mailman to use of the HTdig search engine for archive 
search. With posts to mailman-users and mailman-developers lists by 
some subscribers that express negative views about HTdig, this 
consensus is not likely to be reached. Also, I believe the main MM 
developers are not keen on bundling HTdig with MM or tying MM too 
tightly to HTdig.

I have a half completed rework of the #444884 patch to make it more of 
a "search framework", so that a variety of search engines could be 
plugged in more readily, but finding the time and effort to complete 
this is a problem for me. And, if I am honest, I doubt that even this 
would be admitted to the core MM code before MM 3. Take patch #444879, 
which has been entirely search engine agnostic and configured to do 
nothing be default for some considerable time, and that has not been 
accepted into the CVS. To cap it all, MM 3 is supposed to get a better 
built-in archiver (than the current pipermail implementation) 
incorporating built-in search; so why waste my time and effort on 
figuring out enhanced changes to obsolescent code.

Others must speak to their view but I doubt you will see this problem 
resolved before MM 3.

> Sincerely,
> Gour
>
> -- 
> Gour
> gour at mail.inet.hr
> Registered Linux User #278493
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct  1 15:13:08 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Oct 2003 09:13:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.3 version Mailman-htdig integration
	patches available
In-Reply-To: <1546C6B3-F3FD-11D7-8EE8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <1546C6B3-F3FD-11D7-8EE8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1065013988.2599.10.camel@Anncons4>

Richard, I love your patches and install them regularly for each version
of Mailman.  In fact, I wait for your patches to come out before
upgrading!

<Where should I send the beer?>

It is really a shame that they are not included in the original Source
Code. I think in our last straw poll of the users, the consensus of the
group was overwhelmingly in favor of rolling your code into the Source.

We may simply need to provide an alternate download location that has
your code already patched into the source - and an rpm made from that
source.  I believe some folks have already done this on a piece-meal
basis.

Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 06:50, Richard Barrett wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 07:22  am, Gour wrote:
> 
> > Richard Barrett (r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk) wrote:
> >
> >> I have uploaded updated files to sourceforge for the following patches
> >> and bugs I maintain, which include my Mailman-HTdig integration
> >> patches. You can  reach them through:
> >
> > Is there any chance for these patches to become integrated in the 
> > official
> > distribution.
> >
> 
> A perfectly reasonable question.
> 
> > We are just configuring one server which runs Gentoo and it is a pain 
> > to
> > always manually patch Mailman, instead of plain "emerge".
> >
> 
> It is pain for me too, as the author and maintainer of these patches, 
> particularly #444879 and #444884. I have to retest and, if necessary, 
> rework and again retest them against each new MM release. Yes, I would 
> have to do some of this work as I use the patches on systems I manage 
> but the time and effort to try an deliver a trouble free and documented 
> patch to a wider community arguably doubles the effort I expend.
> 
> As I write, the sourceforge page for patch #444884 appears to be broken 
> (again), probably because the number of files associated with the patch 
> has hit some PHP limit when rendering the page - that was the problem 
> the last time this occurred.
> 
> All these files have accumulated to cater for the numerous releases of 
> MM since I first developed the patch (and some fixing of my bugs 
> introduced by my patched code). But I do not have the necessary 
> privileges to delete the older, obsolete files from sourceforge.
> 
> But the real problem is that no consensus has been reached on 
> committing Mailman to use of the HTdig search engine for archive 
> search. With posts to mailman-users and mailman-developers lists by 
> some subscribers that express negative views about HTdig, this 
> consensus is not likely to be reached. Also, I believe the main MM 
> developers are not keen on bundling HTdig with MM or tying MM too 
> tightly to HTdig.
> 
> I have a half completed rework of the #444884 patch to make it more of 
> a "search framework", so that a variety of search engines could be 
> plugged in more readily, but finding the time and effort to complete 
> this is a problem for me. And, if I am honest, I doubt that even this 
> would be admitted to the core MM code before MM 3. Take patch #444879, 
> which has been entirely search engine agnostic and configured to do 
> nothing be default for some considerable time, and that has not been 
> accepted into the CVS. To cap it all, MM 3 is supposed to get a better 
> built-in archiver (than the current pipermail implementation) 
> incorporating built-in search; so why waste my time and effort on 
> figuring out enhanced changes to obsolescent code.
> 
> Others must speak to their view but I doubt you will see this problem 
> resolved before MM 3.
> 
> > Sincerely,
> > Gour
> >
> > -- 
> > Gour
> > gour at mail.inet.hr
> > Registered Linux User #278493
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From wahorn at aace.com  Wed Oct  1 16:30:09 2003
From: wahorn at aace.com (Ashley Horn)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:30:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.3 error when creating new list via web
Message-ID: <00b501c38828$847eaeb0$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY>

Anyone have any clues about this?

Ashley Horn


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 
Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 219, in
process_request
    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
    _update_maps()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 60, in
_update_maps
    raise RuntimeError, msg % (vcmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postmap
/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman (status: 1, Operation not
permitted)




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct  1 16:51:46 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Oct 2003 10:51:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.3 error when creating new list via web
In-Reply-To: <00b501c38828$847eaeb0$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY>
References: <00b501c38828$847eaeb0$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY>
Message-ID: <1065019906.2599.19.camel@Anncons4>

Try running (as root):
  /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f

And if that doesn't do it for you, then check out the FAQ, for a clue:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp

Good luck - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 10:30, Ashley Horn wrote:
> Anyone have any clues about this?
> 
> Ashley Horn
> 
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
> of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
> happened. Thanks! 
> Traceback:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
>     process_request(doc, cgidata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 219, in
> process_request
>     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
>     _update_maps()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 60, in
> _update_maps
>     raise RuntimeError, msg % (vcmd, status, errstr)
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postmap
> /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman (status: 1, Operation not
> permitted)
> 
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From aceska at telus.net  Wed Oct  1 17:07:23 2003
From: aceska at telus.net (Adolf Ceska)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:07:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: setting as -only
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0310010826220.28966-100000@cdm01.deedsmiscentral.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c3882d$baf54d50$e62674ce@HPLAPTOP001>


> 
> > I've created a monster - I moved people from an announcement only list
> > run by a different script to Mailman with posting privilege - and people
> > started screaming! I guess some people don't want to see other postings.

The same happened to me. Among those screams I got a request from one
subscriber to send him only those messages that would interest him.

Good luck!

Adolf Ceska, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada





From george at lyon.inserm.fr  Wed Oct  1 21:09:29 2003
From: george at lyon.inserm.fr (george)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:09:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bugs with 2.1.3 ?
Message-ID: <3F7B2669.4070309@lyon.inserm.fr>

I got an error during the "make install" step of Mailman2.1.3
installation (on an existing Mailman 2.1.1 version), about an undefined
variable NLCRE in the email package...
Somebody else ?

It seems Mailman 2.1.3 requires  a Python version greater than
2.1.3,isn't it ...?


Here is the traceback of another bug I'd like to report (if it really
exists... ;-):
Context : upgrading MM2.1.1 to MM2.1.3(after Python upgrading ;-),
add_member to an existing MM2.1.1-list

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
     main()
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main
     change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1354, in change_options
     mlist.ApprovedDeleteMember(user)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 954, in
ApprovedDeleteMember
     msg = Message.OwnerNotification(self, subject, text)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 260, in __init__
     UserNotification.__init__(self, recips, sender, subject, text, lang)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
     errors='replace')
TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'



-- 
Pascal GEORGE






From kmccann at bellanet.org  Wed Oct  1 17:25:18 2003
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: 01 Oct 2003 11:25:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.3 version Mailman-htdig integration
	patches available
In-Reply-To: <1065013988.2599.10.camel@Anncons4>
References: <1546C6B3-F3FD-11D7-8EE8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<1065013988.2599.10.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <1065021918.3342.310.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 09:13, Jon Carnes wrote:

> It is really a shame that they are not included in the original Source
> Code. I think in our last straw poll of the users, the consensus of the
> group was overwhelmingly in favor of rolling your code into the Source.

I imagine that Barry has not included the htdig patch because it has not
been determined whether htdig is the optimum solution. Just wondering if
anyone has done a comparison of htdig to other search tools such as
mnogosearch? But I also sense that Barry is reluctant to merge a
completely separate package period. Another case in point, MHonarc. And
on reflection I don't think this is completely unreasonable. It might be
better to find ways to get Mailman to *more easily cooperate* with
external packages such as htdig and MHonarc for those who wish to use
those tools. 

But I do not see any reason why Richard's patch to allow the editing of
messages sent to a moderated list has not been rolled into Mailman. This
is a feature that many people would like to see and it does not involve
the integration of a standalone product.

Barry, whaddaya say about the "edit moderated messages" patch? Can this
be done?


- Kevin









From wahorn at aace.com  Wed Oct  1 17:27:57 2003
From: wahorn at aace.com (Ashley Horn)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:27:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.3 error when creating new list viaweb
In-Reply-To: <1065019906.2599.19.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <000a01c38830$9720c1e0$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY>

I ran /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f as root at it reports no
problems found. I took a look at the FAQ and the two aliases files were
owned by root so I changesd them to mailman.

Creating lists via the web worked for me at one time but it started
showing these errors with the last upgrade. It still creates the list
and all aliases correctly though.

Ashley


-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:52 AM
To: Ashley Horn
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.3 error when creating new list
viaweb


Try running (as root):
  /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f

And if that doesn't do it for you, then check out the FAQ, for a clue:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp

Good luck - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 10:30, Ashley Horn wrote:
> Anyone have any clues about this?
> 
> Ashley Horn
> 
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy

> of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what

> happened. Thanks!
> Traceback:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
>     process_request(doc, cgidata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 219, in 
> process_request
>     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in
create
>     _update_maps()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 60, in 
> _update_maps
>     raise RuntimeError, msg % (vcmd, status, errstr)
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postmap 
> /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman (status: 1, Operation not
> permitted)
> 
> 
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From gour at mail.inet.hr  Wed Oct  1 17:49:45 2003
From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:49:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.3 version Mailman-htdig integration
	patches available
In-Reply-To: <1546C6B3-F3FD-11D7-8EE8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <20031001062247.GA4555@mail.inet.hr>
	<1546C6B3-F3FD-11D7-8EE8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031001154945.GA18971@mail.inet.hr>

Richard Barrett (r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk) wrote:

> But the real problem is that no consensus has been reached on 
> committing Mailman to use of the HTdig search engine for archive 
> search. With posts to mailman-users and mailman-developers lists by 
> some subscribers that express negative views about HTdig, this 
> consensus is not likely to be reached. Also, I believe the main MM 
> developers are not keen on bundling HTdig with MM or tying MM too 
> tightly to HTdig.

At the moment htdig patches provides nice add-on functionality for Mailman,
and there are no better (read: simpler) ways to add search capability to the
archives.

> 
> I have a half completed rework of the #444884 patch to make it more of 
> a "search framework", so that a variety of search engines could be 
> plugged in more readily, but finding the time and effort to complete 
> this is a problem for me. And, if I am honest, I doubt that even this 
> would be admitted to the core MM code before MM 3. Take patch #444879, 
> which has been entirely search engine agnostic and configured to do 
> nothing be default for some considerable time, and that has not been 
> accepted into the CVS. To cap it all, MM 3 is supposed to get a better 
> built-in archiver (than the current pipermail implementation) 
> incorporating built-in search; so why waste my time and effort on 
> figuring out enhanced changes to obsolescent code.

I can agree that neither pipermail, nor htdig are the best one's, but they
at least work -- now, and are easy to setup.

> 
> Others must speak to their view but I doubt you will see this problem 
> resolved before MM 3.

Afaik, before MM 3, we must 1st wait for MM 2.2, so it looks like it won't
happen tomorrow, and it is a pity not to have some replacement in between :-)

Sincerely,
Gour

ps. Anyway, thank you Richard for your hard work in providing and maintaining
these patches.

-- 
Gour
gour at mail.inet.hr
Registered Linux User #278493




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 18:43:03 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:43:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.3 version Mailman-htdig integration
	patches available
In-Reply-To: <1065021918.3342.310.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <53A08042-F42E-11D7-8EE8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 04:25  pm, Kevin McCann wrote:

> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 09:13, Jon Carnes wrote:
>
>> It is really a shame that they are not included in the original Source
>> Code. I think in our last straw poll of the users, the consensus of 
>> the
>> group was overwhelmingly in favor of rolling your code into the 
>> Source.
>
> I imagine that Barry has not included the htdig patch because it has 
> not
> been determined whether htdig is the optimum solution. Just wondering 
> if
> anyone has done a comparison of htdig to other search tools such as
> mnogosearch? But I also sense that Barry is reluctant to merge a
> completely separate package period. Another case in point, MHonarc. And
> on reflection I don't think this is completely unreasonable. It might 
> be
> better to find ways to get Mailman to *more easily cooperate* with
> external packages such as htdig and MHonarc for those who wish to use
> those tools.
>
> But I do not see any reason why Richard's patch to allow the editing of
> messages sent to a moderated list has not been rolled into Mailman. 
> This
> is a feature that many people would like to see and it does not involve
> the integration of a standalone product.
>

I cannot claim credit for a patch "to allow editing of messages sent to 
a moderated list". Sounds neat but it is not one of mine.

> Barry, whaddaya say about the "edit moderated messages" patch? Can this
> be done?
>

Probably best to identify the patch with its sourceforge tracker number 
if you want to get BW to act.

>
> - Kevin
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From kmccann at bellanet.org  Wed Oct  1 19:15:41 2003
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: 01 Oct 2003 13:15:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.3 version Mailman-htdig integration
	patches available
In-Reply-To: <53A08042-F42E-11D7-8EE8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <53A08042-F42E-11D7-8EE8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1065028541.3342.318.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 12:43, Richard Barrett wrote:

> I cannot claim credit for a patch "to allow editing of messages sent to 
> a moderated list". Sounds neat but it is not one of mine.

??? 

Strange ... I thought I read about such a patch on your web site
yesterday when I went to download the MM/Mhonarc patch you mentioned on
the list. Hmmm. Maybe I read it somewhere else (I've been doing a lot of
poking around hewre and there in the last couple of days)

> > Barry, whaddaya say about the "edit moderated messages" patch? Can this
> > be done?
> >
> 
> Probably best to identify the patch with its sourceforge tracker number 
> if you want to get BW to act.

Heck, I have to find the thing first   ;-)  ...  I coulda *sworn* I saw
it on you site .... 

- Kevin





From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Oct  1 19:26:08 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:26:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-HTdig integration
In-Reply-To: <E1A4iyA-0003b7-UP@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A4iyA-0003b7-UP@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031001122154.03860628@mail.thcwd.com>

Richard wrote:
>But the real problem is that no consensus has been reached on
>committing Mailman to use of the HTdig search engine for archive
>search. With posts to mailman-users and mailman-developers lists by
>some subscribers that express negative views about HTdig, this
>consensus is not likely to be reached. Also, I believe the main MM
>developers are not keen on bundling HTdig with MM or tying MM too
>tightly to HTdig.

      It seems to me that it could be built into the Mailman system with a 
"switch" to turn it on for those who desire it - either by list or for the 
server.  If I understand it properly, the bit of code in archtoc.html would 
server this function.  Breaking archtoc.htm into two pieces would allow one 
to not have htdig by blanking the code in that template.  It would also 
make it easier to modify htdig, and all the code for the text could be in 
that new template for easy modification or addition.


<>< Paul 

From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Wed Oct  1 20:25:10 2003
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:25:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unicode error
Message-ID: <972C474A-F43C-11D7-B018-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>

MM 2.1.3, Postfix 2.0.9, OS X

Password reminders sent out this morning generated the following error 
for all subscribers who have chosen Japanese as their language of 
choice:

> Oct 01 05:04:42 2003 (16972) Uncaught runner exception: decoding 
> Unicode is not supported
> Oct 01 05:04:42 2003 (16972) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 74, in 
> _dispose
>     self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 146, in 
> process
>     deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn)
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 332, in 
> verpdeliver
>     bulkdeliver(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata, envsender, failures, conn)
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 345, in 
> bulkdeliver
>     msgtext = msg.as_string()
>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 113, in 
> as_string
>     g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom)
>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 103, in 
> flatten
>     self._write(msg)
>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 131, in 
> _write
>     self._dispatch(msg)
>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 157, in 
> _dispatch
>     meth(msg)
>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 198, in 
> _handle_text
>     payload = cset.body_encode(payload)
>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Charset.py", line 386, in 
> body_encode
>     s = self.convert(s)
>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Charset.py", line 269, in 
> convert
>     return unicode(s, self.input_codec).encode(self.output_codec)
> TypeError: decoding Unicode is not supported
>
> Oct 01 05:04:42 2003 (16972) SHUNTING: 
> 1065002402.120966+15739cc63fad35075a9d11d4cab4c282919d2340
>

AFAIK, this has not happened before; at least there was no problem on 
September 1. The only thing changed since then has been updating to 
2.1.3. Unicode support is certainly included in OS X.




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Oct  1 21:37:14 2003
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:37:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] global change to listinfo page?
Message-ID: <000d01c38853$6a6bd220$0b7a799f@chris>

Is there a way to make a global edit to the listinfo page? I know that I can
make list-specific edits, but I would like to edit the existing default
template. I have looked in the /templates directory and in the Defaults.py
file. I see that there is a listinfo.html template. However, the part I want
to edit comes at the very end, the part about getting a password reminder,
unsubscribing, etc. is the part I want to work on. That does not appear to
be editable from this file.

Please enlighten



Christopher Adams
Library Systems Analyst
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us




From gary at gdma.com  Wed Oct  1 21:52:25 2003
From: gary at gdma.com (Gary McClellan)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:52:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminder Mailing Abend
In-Reply-To: <3F7B2669.4070309@lyon.inserm.fr>
References: <3F7B2669.4070309@lyon.inserm.fr>
Message-ID: <3F7B3079.1070609@gdma.com>

Today I received the following message as a result of the password reminder
mailing:

===============
Subject: Cron <mailman at gdma> <path>/python -S <path>mailpasswds

Site list is missing: mailman
===============

What site list?

Just upgraded yesterday to 2.1.3. Modified virtual user tables in sendmail
last month. Everything else in Mailman is working fine.

TIA

-- 
Gary McClellan
Gary D McClellan and Associates Ltd
717 Portland Avenue
Beloit, WI 53511
Tel: (608) 299-0220
Fax: (608) 299-0221
Cel: (608) 312-1573







From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Wed Oct  1 19:33:05 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:33:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of All Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <1863ABF011CCD611BE5B00065B3D8A5701F12DEB@EXCHANGE>
References: <1863ABF011CCD611BE5B00065B3D8A5701F12DEB@EXCHANGE>
Message-ID: <3F7B0FD1.4030708@mitre.org>

Rob,

Others have given you very clear answers.

Let me just say that "who" out of the box only returns the email 
addresses.  Useful for a machine, but not as useful for humans.

If you search the archives, you will find a post from me, with 
corrections from others, on how to modify "who" to return full name as 
well as email address.

Rob Day wrote:

> access to the box running Mailman. With Majordomo it was a simple matter of
> sending Majordomo the "who" command. Is there something comparable in
> Mailman? The web interface doesn't solve the problem because it doesn't show
> all subscribers at once.

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own







From jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com  Wed Oct  1 21:59:30 2003
From: jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com (Jason Williams)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:59:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need some clarification on my mailman setup
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031001125432.00afbbd0@pop.courtesymortgage.com>

Hello everyone.

Im new to mailman, but so far, I seem to be having good luck with my setup.
Im running postfix-2.0.15 on my mail server. (Followed the directions on 
setting up mailman with postfix)
Also running Mailman-2.1.2.
Procmail-3.22.
Running IMAP on this server as well (Courier-IMAP)

I've setup a few lists that I am in the process of testing.
Here is a snip from my maillog when I send the email to the list:

Oct  1 12:56:07 corpmail postfix/smtpd[15297]: connect from 
jwilliams[192.168.1.90]
Oct  1 12:56:07 corpmail postfix/smtpd[15297]: 14B48AB543: 
client=jwilliams[192.168.1.90]
Oct  1 12:56:07 corpmail postfix/cleanup[15300]: 14B48AB543: 
message-id=<5.2.1.1.0.20031001125234.00b0b940 at pop.courtesymtg.com>
Oct  1 12:56:07 corpmail postfix/qmgr[14919]: 14B48AB543: 
from=<jwilliams at courtesymtg.com>, size=642, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct  1 12:56:07 corpmail postfix/local[15301]: 14B48AB543: 
to=<loan_processors at courtesymtg.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
(maildir)
Oct  1 12:56:07 corpmail postfix/smtpd[15297]: disconnect from 
jwilliams[192.168.1.90]
Oct  1 12:56:09 corpmail postfix/smtpd[15297]: connect from corpmail[127.0.0.1]
Oct  1 12:56:09 corpmail postfix/smtpd[15297]: 49375AB543: 
client=corpmail[127.0.0.1]
Oct  1 12:56:09 corpmail postfix/cleanup[15300]: 49375AB543: 
message-id=<5.2.1.1.0.20031001125234.00b0b940 at pop.courtesymtg.com>
Oct  1 12:56:09 corpmail postfix/qmgr[14919]: 49375AB543: 
from=<loan_processors-bounces at courtesymtg.com>, size=1833, nrcpt=2 (queue 
active)
Oct  1 12:56:09 corpmail postfix/smtpd[15297]: disconnect from 
corpmail[127.0.0.1]
Oct  1 12:56:09 corpmail postfix/local[15301]: 49375AB543: 
to=<jwilliams at courtesymtg.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
("|/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrc")
Oct  1 12:56:09 corpmail postfix/local[15301]: 49375AB543: 
to=<mastleford at courtesymtg.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
("|/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrc")

Just a few questions im not clear about.

First:
Oct  1 12:56:07 corpmail postfix/local[15301]: 14B48AB543: 
to=<loan_processors at courtesymtg.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
(maildir)

On this entry, is it delivering mail to a user called loan_processors? I 
dont have a user called loan_processors...is this correct? Did I miss 
something?

Second:
Oct  1 12:56:09 corpmail postfix/qmgr[14919]: 49375AB543: 
from=<loan_processors-bounces at courtesymtg.com>, size=1833, nrcpt=2 (queue 
active)

I dont understand this line: What is the purpose of the 
from=<loan_processors-bounce entry?

It seems to me that it worked correctly, but im just trying to make sure my 
list is working correctly, i understand it and that I dont have anything 
misconfigured.

Anyone care to help me out and clarify a few things?
I would be very greatful for any insight and recommendations.

Cheers

Jason




From dkruger at hillel.org  Wed Oct  1 22:39:06 2003
From: dkruger at hillel.org (Kruger, David)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:39:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of All Subscribers
Message-ID: <A7C3955F62F2E742A12A4AB07C09ADEC67E073@moses.ad.hillel.org>

I have tried the 'who' command with password in the body of the message
it is not working for me.  This is what is returned:

The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
original message.

- Results:
    Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts
    Non-digest (regular) members:
        dkruger at hillel.org
- Unprocessed:
   
    =20
- Done.

Any ideas of what I am doing wrong?



-----Original Message-----
From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:33 PM
To: Rob Day
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] List of All Subscribers


Rob,

Others have given you very clear answers.

Let me just say that "who" out of the box only returns the email 
addresses.  Useful for a machine, but not as useful for humans.

If you search the archives, you will find a post from me, with 
corrections from others, on how to modify "who" to return full name as 
well as email address.

Rob Day wrote:

> access to the box running Mailman. With Majordomo it was a simple 
> matter of sending Majordomo the "who" command. Is there something 
> comparable in Mailman? The web interface doesn't solve the problem 
> because it doesn't show all subscribers at once.

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own





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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Oct  1 22:57:51 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:57:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of All Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <A7C3955F62F2E742A12A4AB07C09ADEC67E073@moses.ad.hillel.org>
References: <A7C3955F62F2E742A12A4AB07C09ADEC67E073@moses.ad.hillel.org>
Message-ID: <20031001205751.GN17131@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Kruger, David wrote:
> I have tried the 'who' command with password in the body of the message
> it is not working for me.  This is what is returned:

> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
> original message.

> - Results:
>     Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>     Non-digest (regular) members:
>         dkruger at hillel.org
> - Unprocessed:

>     =20
> - Done.

> Any ideas of what I am doing wrong?

It looks from the error message like you're sending an HTML only message or
something.  You should be sending plain text, or at least a
multipart/alternative message that includes a text/plain part.

If that's what you are doing, then I'm not sure why mailman's complaining.
in that case, if no one else has an idea, then you could perhaps post a copy
of the message you're sending, including the headers (and obscuring the
password of course) so that we can see what's getting to mailman.

- -- 
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From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Wed Oct  1 23:34:13 2003
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 06:34:13 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unicode error
In-Reply-To: <972C474A-F43C-11D7-B018-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
References: <972C474A-F43C-11D7-B018-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <3F7B4855.2040401@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

Dan Phillips wrote:

> MM 2.1.3, Postfix 2.0.9, OS X
> 
> Password reminders sent out this morning generated the following error 
> for all subscribers who have chosen Japanese as their language of choice:
> 
I got this error too. Japanese seems to be the only language
where output_codec differs input_codec and needs to convert().

>> Oct 01 05:04:42 2003 (16972) Uncaught runner exception: decoding 
>> Unicode is not supported
>> Oct 01 05:04:42 2003 (16972) Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
>>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
(snip)
>>     s = self.convert(s)
>>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Charset.py", line 269, in convert
>>     return unicode(s, self.input_codec).encode(self.output_codec)
>> TypeError: decoding Unicode is not supported
>>
>> Oct 01 05:04:42 2003 (16972) SHUNTING: 
>> 1065002402.120966+15739cc63fad35075a9d11d4cab4c282919d2340
>>
> 
> AFAIK, this has not happened before; at least there was no problem on 
> September 1. The only thing changed since then has been updating to 
> 2.1.3. Unicode support is certainly included in OS X.

Sometime between 2.1.2 and 2.1.3, they switched the 'msg' charset
from 'euc_jp' to unicode.
Workaround is to apply this patch to <prefix>/pythonlib/email

http://mm.tkikuchi.net/email.patch.20031001


-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From list_usr at spacebox.net  Thu Oct  2 00:19:28 2003
From: list_usr at spacebox.net (Duke)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:19:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] global change to listinfo page?
Message-ID: <20031001221928.GC1742@mobius.spacebox.net>

On the same note, is there a way to make changes to the user settings
for all users on a list?  For example, have everyone receive MIME
attachments rather than plain.

    Thanks.



From merle.reine at lindows.com  Thu Oct  2 00:59:17 2003
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:59:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure to exec script
Message-ID: <oprwdzg3cqyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>

Mailman has been working fine finally until I rebooted.  No files were 
modified but now when sending to a list, the following error is in 
/var/log/mail:


Oct  1 16:05:01 mail postfix/local[6371]: B9187115AC: 
to=<staff at mail.lfriendly.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced 
(Command died with status 2: "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post staff". 
Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65533, GOT gid 67. )

Mailman user is gid 67 and user nobody is gid 65533.  I ran check_perms 
and permissions are correct on all the files.

Any ideas?  This is installed via rpm on a SuSe system.  Mailman version 
2.1.1-91




-- 
Merle Reine
Lindows.com Hardware Certification Specialist



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 03:08:45 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Oct 2003 21:08:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure to exec script
In-Reply-To: <oprwdzg3cqyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
References: <oprwdzg3cqyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
Message-ID: <1065056924.2599.88.camel@Anncons4>

Looks like you've got some security sub-program running on boot that
checks and resets the system rights on certain files. Check the aliases
file that contains your Mailman aliases and make sure that it's group
rights are set properly.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

BTW: Mandrake's msec does something similar and is kicked off via cron
so you don't even need to reboot for it to happen.

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 18:59, Merle Reine wrote:
> Mailman has been working fine finally until I rebooted.  No files were 
> modified but now when sending to a list, the following error is in 
> /var/log/mail:
> 
> 
> Oct  1 16:05:01 mail postfix/local[6371]: B9187115AC: 
> to=<staff at mail.lfriendly.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced 
> (Command died with status 2: "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post staff". 
> Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65533, GOT gid 67. )
> 
> Mailman user is gid 67 and user nobody is gid 65533.  I ran check_perms 
> and permissions are correct on all the files.
> 
> Any ideas?  This is installed via rpm on a SuSe system.  Mailman version 
> 2.1.1-91
> 
> 
> 




From merle.reine at lindows.com  Thu Oct  2 04:07:48 2003
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:07:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure to exec script
In-Reply-To: <1065056924.2599.88.camel@Anncons4>
References: <oprwdzg3cqyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
	<1065056924.2599.88.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <oprwd77ak7yehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>

Good info.  However, I found a post via Google that resolved the problem.  
It appears that on SuSe, when you run SuSEconfig after setting up mailman 
(which you must do), it sets a file in /etc/mailman.mail-gid and puts 
:65533 in the file.  Once I changed the file contents to :67 then mailman 
is now working correctly.  Perhaps make a note to add to documentation for 
mailman if running SuSE 8.2 and up, that this is the case.  As mailman 
runs as gid 67 by default and SuSE sets it to 65533 (nobody) by default, 
therefore the error.

Thanks for all the help.

On 01 Oct 2003 21:08:45 -0400, Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> Looks like you've got some security sub-program running on boot that
> checks and resets the system rights on certain files. Check the aliases
> file that contains your Mailman aliases and make sure that it's group
> rights are set properly.
>
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>
> BTW: Mandrake's msec does something similar and is kicked off via cron
> so you don't even need to reboot for it to happen.
>
> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 18:59, Merle Reine wrote:
>> Mailman has been working fine finally until I rebooted.  No files were
>> modified but now when sending to a list, the following error is in
>> /var/log/mail:
>>
>>
>> Oct  1 16:05:01 mail postfix/local[6371]: B9187115AC:
>> to=<staff at mail.lfriendly.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced
>> (Command died with status 2: "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post staff".
>> Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65533, GOT gid 67. )
>>
>> Mailman user is gid 67 and user nobody is gid 65533.  I ran check_perms
>> and permissions are correct on all the files.
>>
>> Any ideas?  This is installed via rpm on a SuSe system.  Mailman version
>> 2.1.1-91
>>
>>
>>
>



-- 
Merle Reine
Lindows.com Hardware Certification Specialist



From jeffrey at goldmark.org  Thu Oct  2 04:33:19 2003
From: jeffrey at goldmark.org (Jeffrey Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:33:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Minor doc suggestion.  Location of smrsh directory
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0310011924120.467@betty.goldmark.private>

This is just a minor suggestion of an improvement that could be made
to README.SENDMAIL in the documentation.

Recent versions of sendmail tend to have a default of

  /usr/adm/sm.bin

instead of

 /etc/smrsh

as the location where smrsh wants pipable executables.

I don't blame the current documentation for my hours of frustration.
That was a combination of having installed sendmail from source, where
RPMs are typically expected and somehow ending up reading the wrong smrsh
man page.

Still, as sendmail is moving to /usr/adm/sm.bin as the place where the
mailman wrapper should go, a note of that in README.SENDMAIL would help.

Another note is that the INSTALL document orders the editing of mm_cfg.py
AFTER creating the mailman list.  That will create the list with some bad
information if Default.py is not exactly what you need.

Other than that, my mailmain 2.1.3 installation went great.

-j

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From john at lantex.com  Thu Oct  2 04:44:21 2003
From: john at lantex.com (John Berry)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:44:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newby Question...
Message-ID: <007c01c3888f$15a595a0$6401a8c0@john01>

Hello all! I am new to the list. Please direct me to where I can get
specific instructions on how to setup mailman that is already installed on
an RH9.0 install. I have upgraded it to the latest RPM version using
up2date.

 

I cannot see the webpage when entering http://127.0.0.1/pipermail and the
var/mailman/archives/public folder is empty. I know I am missing several
steps. If there is any quick setup articles, I would appreciate it,

 

Thank You,

 

SloopJohnB

 



From jseagraves at osrhe.edu  Wed Oct  1 17:41:46 2003
From: jseagraves at osrhe.edu (Seagraves, Jack)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:41:46 -0500
Subject: [mailman-users] fatal bounces Error
Message-ID: <F3819767597FC6438164245BBF29F9290278E48C@ms.osrhe.edu>

As a list manager, I get this "fatal bounces" error message pretty
often.
What exactly does it mean?  Is it because they have attempted to spam
the
list or because their 'box is full?'  Is there something I can do to
prevent
it?

Jack Seagraves
655 Research Parkway, Suite 200 
Oklahoma City, OK 73104 

PHONE: 405.225.9444 
TOLL FREE: 1.888.566.3638 
FAX: 405.225.9250 






From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Oct  1 20:31:35 2003
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:31:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] make global change to listinfo template?
Message-ID: <008501c3884a$3e90f2b0$0b7a799f@chris>

Is there a way to make a global edit to the listinfo page? I know that I can
make list-specific edits, but I would like to edit the existing default
template. I have looked in the /templates directory and in the Defaults.py
file. I see that there is a listinfo.html template. However, the part I want
to edit comes at the very end, the part about getting a password reminder,
unsubscribing, etc. is the part I want to work on. That does not appear to
be editable from this file.

Please enlighten


Christopher Adams




From keith at sugarloafcrafts.com  Wed Oct  1 18:27:27 2003
From: keith at sugarloafcrafts.com (Keith)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:27:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions in reference to Mail Man???
Message-ID: <BBA06D9D.3D60%keith@sugarloafcrafts.com>

Dear Sirs,

We have been using Mail Man on our Linux based Mail Server for the last
three weeks to mail to our Newsletter list of nearly 50,000 members.
Everytime we send the Newsletter our Mail Server goes down.  This only
happens when we use Mail Man.  Are there issues with the number of people
that Mail Man can mail to.  Mail Man seems to work flawlessly when we send
test message to small list groups.  It is only when we launch to our total
list of 50,000 there is an issue that arises.

We have also noticed that none of our AOL members now get the Newsletter.
Have you heard of anything that can be done to help with this issue.  We
know AOL has changed there SPAM variables recently.  We didn't know if
something could be set with in Mail Man to get through this issue.

Thanks for you time and help!
--
Keith A. Ruch
Graphic Designer
SUGARLOAF MOUNTAIN WORKS, INC.
http://www.sugarloafcrafts.com
phone 800-210-9900 / fax 301-253-9620

AMERICAN CRAFTS ONLINE
Artwork and contemporary crafts
shipped directly to you from the artist's
studio - thousands of items ready to go!
NEVER GIVE ANOTHER BORING GIFT!
http://www.craftsonline.com
800-210-9900 





From hawk at solriders.com  Thu Oct  2 04:50:20 2003
From: hawk at solriders.com (Hawk)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:50:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of Subscribers
Message-ID: <p05200f18bba142e7569b@[216.151.64.239]>

Can you tell me how to get the list of subscribers from Mailman?
-- 
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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Oct  2 07:09:10 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:09:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <p05200f18bba142e7569b@[216.151.64.239]>
References: <p05200f18bba142e7569b@[216.151.64.239]>
Message-ID: <20031002050910.GP17131@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hawk wrote:
> Can you tell me how to get the list of subscribers from Mailman?

You can do this via email with the "who" command, which was just discussed
here in the last day or so.  You can also get this via the web, from the
listinfo page for a list.

- -- 
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============================================================================
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From jeffrey at goldmark.org  Thu Oct  2 07:37:28 2003
From: jeffrey at goldmark.org (Jeffrey Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:37:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newby Question...
In-Reply-To: <007c01c3888f$15a595a0$6401a8c0@john01>
References: <007c01c3888f$15a595a0$6401a8c0@john01>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0310012235200.467@betty.goldmark.private>

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, John Berry wrote:

> Hello all! I am new to the list. Please direct me to where I can get
> specific instructions on how to setup mailman that is already installed
> on an RH9.0 install. I have upgraded it to the latest RPM version using
> up2date.

The RPM from RedHat will have put what you need in

  /usr/share/doc/mailman-VERSION

There you should see a file called INSTALL.REDHAT which has the
instructions you need.

-j

-- 
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From dave at difference.com.au  Thu Oct  2 09:09:04 2003
From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:09:04 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom Headers?
Message-ID: <a0600200ebba17ee468f2@[192.168.0.33]>

	I'd like to just add a completely new custom header (in this 
case, an X-Comment) to a mailing list. Is there any easy way to do 
this with mailman? If not, does anyone have suggestions for how to do 
this using procmail, sendmail configuration, or similar?
	Cheers
		David


PS apologies for posting the same question to this list and the LO 
list, I just realised it would be more appropriate here.



From john at lantex.com  Thu Oct  2 15:22:27 2003
From: john at lantex.com (John Berry)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:22:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newby Question...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0310012235200.467@betty.goldmark.private>
Message-ID: <004001c388e8$39954560$6401a8c0@john01>

Thanx a bunch!!!

Thank You,
 
SloopJohnB

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+john=lantex.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+john=lantex.com at python.org] On Behalf Of
Jeffrey Goldberg
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:37 PM
To: Mailman Users list
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Newby Question...

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, John Berry wrote:

> Hello all! I am new to the list. Please direct me to where I can get
> specific instructions on how to setup mailman that is already installed
> on an RH9.0 install. I have upgraded it to the latest RPM version using
> up2date.

The RPM from RedHat will have put what you need in

  /usr/share/doc/mailman-VERSION

There you should see a file called INSTALL.REDHAT which has the
instructions you need.

-j

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 15:38:03 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Oct 2003 09:38:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Minor doc suggestion.  Location of smrsh directory
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0310011924120.467@betty.goldmark.private>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0310011924120.467@betty.goldmark.private>
Message-ID: <1065101883.3832.16.camel@Anncons4>

Red Hat and a few other Distributions (that piggy back off RH maybe?)
use /etc/smrsh as their default.  

The default if you install smrsh (sendmail) from source is
/usr/adm/sm.bin.  That's totally whacked.

Your point is a good one though, and I've run into that problem more
than once.  I've updated the 3.14 FAQ to indicate the alternate location
of the smrsh directory.  Thanks!

Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 22:33, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:
> This is just a minor suggestion of an improvement that could be made
> to README.SENDMAIL in the documentation.
> 
> Recent versions of sendmail tend to have a default of
> 
>   /usr/adm/sm.bin
> 
> instead of
> 
>  /etc/smrsh
> 
> as the location where smrsh wants pipable executables.
> 
> I don't blame the current documentation for my hours of frustration.
> That was a combination of having installed sendmail from source, where
> RPMs are typically expected and somehow ending up reading the wrong smrsh
> man page.
> 
> Still, as sendmail is moving to /usr/adm/sm.bin as the place where the
> mailman wrapper should go, a note of that in README.SENDMAIL would help.
> 
> Another note is that the INSTALL document orders the editing of mm_cfg.py
> AFTER creating the mailman list.  That will create the list with some bad
> information if Default.py is not exactly what you need.
> 
> Other than that, my mailmain 2.1.3 installation went great.
> 
> -j




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 16:02:14 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Oct 2003 10:02:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newby Question...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0310012235200.467@betty.goldmark.private>
References: <007c01c3888f$15a595a0$6401a8c0@john01>
	<Pine.OSX.4.58.0310012235200.467@betty.goldmark.private>
Message-ID: <1065103334.3832.21.camel@Anncons4>

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 01:37, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, John Berry wrote:
> 
> > Hello all! I am new to the list. Please direct me to where I can get
> > specific instructions on how to setup mailman that is already installed
> > on an RH9.0 install. I have upgraded it to the latest RPM version using
> > up2date.
> 
> The RPM from RedHat will have put what you need in
> 
>   /usr/share/doc/mailman-VERSION
> 
> There you should see a file called INSTALL.REDHAT which has the
> instructions you need.
> 
> -j

Excellent advice, to which I would add...

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg18611.html

Good luck - Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 16:12:29 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Oct 2003 10:12:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom Headers?
In-Reply-To: <a0600200ebba17ee468f2@[192.168.0.33]>
References: <a0600200ebba17ee468f2@[192.168.0.33]>
Message-ID: <1065103949.3832.32.camel@Anncons4>

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 03:09, David Cake wrote:
> 	I'd like to just add a completely new custom header (in this 
> case, an X-Comment) to a mailing list. Is there any easy way to do 
> this with mailman? If not, does anyone have suggestions for how to do 
> this using procmail, sendmail configuration, or similar?
> 	Cheers
> 		David
> 
> 
> PS apologies for posting the same question to this list and the LO 
> list, I just realised it would be more appropriate here.
> 
This is actually pretty trivial to do. You can even get by without
learning Python (well, you'll need to know just a smidgen - but there
are plenty of examples in Mailman's code). 

<This is also discussed quite thoroughly in the archives!>

from ~mailman/Mailman do a grep looking for one of the current headers:
  grep X-List */*

This will show you every file that handles the X-List headers. You
probably just want to edit ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py and
add your own.  You might want to put in a check that only adds the
header to a specific list.

Remember to make a backup copy of any files before you edit them! Good
Luck.

Jon Carnes




From khera at kcilink.com  Thu Oct  2 16:17:10 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:17:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix MAIL_GID
In-Reply-To: <1063.192.168.1.4.1064942643.squirrel@probsd.org>
References: <1627.192.168.1.4.1064921997.squirrel@probsd.org>
	<20030930170943.GA35499@ppk.itb.ac.id>
	<1063.192.168.1.4.1064942643.squirrel@probsd.org>
Message-ID: <16252.13158.259577.145183@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "MS" == Michael Sharp <ms at probsd.org> writes:

MS> Are you confused by my question?  If so, Mailman has to be told which MTA
MS> is is being built with, and that was done with make MAIL_GID=65535 install
MS> clean because in 'make options' postfix had a designation of 65535.

No, it does not:



[yertle]mailman% make options
===>  Build options for mailman-2.1.3:
 [[ ... ]]

* MAIL_GID [mailnull]
  The group name or id under which your MTA performs mail delivery

    Getting the value of MAIL_GID right is crucial to getting Mailman to work
    with your MTA.  By default this port works with Sendmail.  If you're
    using an alternative MTA installed from ports, you should set MAIL_GID at
    build time according to the following table.  You may use either the
    group name or the numerical GID.  (Please contact this port's maintainer
    if you wish to fill in the blanks or report mistakes!)

    ----------------------------------------------------
    MTA     | MAIL_GID       | Submitted by
    Exim3   | nobody (65534) | <wjv at FreeBSD.org>
    Exim4   | mail   (6)     | <wjv at FreeBSD.org>
    Postfix | mailman        | <vivek at khera.org>
    Qmail   | ???            |
    ----------------------------------------------------

    NOTE: for Postfix, the group may need to be 'nobody' if you are not
    using the Mailman integration for generating the postfix virtual and
    aliases files.

 [[ ... ]]



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 16:46:01 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Oct 2003 10:46:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions in reference to Mail Man???
In-Reply-To: <BBA06D9D.3D60%keith@sugarloafcrafts.com>
References: <BBA06D9D.3D60%keith@sugarloafcrafts.com>
Message-ID: <1065105961.3832.59.camel@Anncons4>

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 12:27, Keith wrote:
> Dear Sirs,
> 
> We have been using Mail Man on our Linux based Mail Server for the last
> three weeks to mail to our Newsletter list of nearly 50,000 members.
> Everytime we send the Newsletter our Mail Server goes down.  This only
> happens when we use Mail Man.  Are there issues with the number of people
> that Mail Man can mail to.  Mail Man seems to work flawlessly when we send
> test message to small list groups.  It is only when we launch to our total
> list of 50,000 there is an issue that arises.
> 
This is most likely a problem with insufficient RAM.  Try doubling the
memory in your server.

> We have also noticed that none of our AOL members now get the Newsletter.
> Have you heard of anything that can be done to help with this issue.  We
> know AOL has changed there SPAM variables recently.  We didn't know if
> something could be set with in Mail Man to get through this issue.
> 
You can use VERP (look in the FAQ...).  There are also several
discussions of this in the archives of the list.





From hchinn at hillel.org  Thu Oct  2 17:02:49 2003
From: hchinn at hillel.org (Chinn, Hindy)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:02:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] commands
Message-ID: <A7C3955F62F2E742A12A4AB07C09ADEC67E12F@moses.ad.hillel.org>


Are the console commands and commands to email to list-request...the
same?
I have searched the guides to get a list of the commands and all I find
are the console commands.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 17:53:50 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Oct 2003 11:53:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] commands
In-Reply-To: <A7C3955F62F2E742A12A4AB07C09ADEC67E12F@moses.ad.hillel.org>
References: <A7C3955F62F2E742A12A4AB07C09ADEC67E12F@moses.ad.hillel.org>
Message-ID: <1065110030.4556.4.camel@Anncons4>

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:02, Chinn, Hindy wrote:
> Are the console commands and commands to email to list-request...the
> same?
> I have searched the guides to get a list of the commands and all I find
> are the console commands.
> 
The console commands are found in:
  ~mailman/bin/..

The list-request commands are found in:
  ~mailman/Mailman/Commands/..

You can get a list of the commands by sending "help" to the list-request
address for one of your lists.

Have fun - Jon Carnes




From sladendorf at blakeschool.org  Thu Oct  2 18:32:44 2003
From: sladendorf at blakeschool.org (Steve Ladendorf)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:32:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] what did I do wrong?
Message-ID: <fc.004c4b6b00d91f48004c4b6b00d91f48.d92024@blakeschool.org>

I just installed Mailman 2.1.3 in an effort to replace my existing
Majordomo/Majorcool list management system and I have obviously done
something wrong.  Installation went well, check_perms reports no problems
however when I try to send to my test list I see that sendmail accepts the
message and passes it to the mailman wrapper but then nothing happens.  A
check of the mailman log directory reports the following..  I did change
my real domain to mydomain.org so no that isn't the problem :-).

error:
nothing in file.

post:
Oct 02 11:08:13 2003 (1133) post to test from sladendorf at mydomain.org,
size=2174,
message-id=<fc.004c4b6b00d91d38004c4b6b00d91d38.d91e1c at mydomain.org>, 3
failures

qrunner:
looks normal.

smtp:
Oct 02 11:08:13 2003 (1133) All recipients refused: (2, 'No such file or
directory')
Oct 02 11:08:13 2003 (1133)
<fc.004c4b6b00d91d38004c4b6b00d91d38.d91e1c at mydomain.org> smtp for 3
recips, completed in 0.030 seconds

smtp-failure:
Oct 02 11:08:13 2003 (1133) delivery to sladendorf at mydomain.org failed
with code -1: ignore
Oct 02 11:08:13 2003 (1133) delivery to sselseth at mydomain.org failed with
code -1: ignore
Oct 02 11:08:13 2003 (1133) delivery to test02 at mydomain.org failed with
code -1: ignore

subscribe:
looks normal.

What file is the smtp log refering to?

Thanks!!

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Ladendorf                                                           
    Network Manager
sladendorf at blakeschool.org                                        The
Blake School
"The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe,
and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location... and I'm
not even too sure about that one"
                                                                      --
Dennis Huges, FBI.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 19:19:10 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Oct 2003 13:19:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] what did I do wrong?
In-Reply-To: <fc.004c4b6b00d91f48004c4b6b00d91f48.d92024@blakeschool.org>
References: <fc.004c4b6b00d91f48004c4b6b00d91f48.d92024@blakeschool.org>
Message-ID: <1065115150.4556.11.camel@Anncons4>

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 12:32, Steve Ladendorf wrote:
> I just installed Mailman 2.1.3 in an effort to replace my existing
> Majordomo/Majorcool list management system and I have obviously done
> something wrong.  Installation went well, check_perms reports no problems
> however when I try to send to my test list I see that sendmail accepts the
> message and passes it to the mailman wrapper but then nothing happens.  A
> check of the mailman log directory reports the following..  I did change
> my real domain to mydomain.org so no that isn't the problem :-).
> 
> error:
> nothing in file.
> 
> post:
> Oct 02 11:08:13 2003 (1133) post to test from sladendorf at mydomain.org,
> size=2174,
> message-id=<fc.004c4b6b00d91d38004c4b6b00d91d38.d91e1c at mydomain.org>, 3
> failures
> 
> qrunner:
> looks normal.
> 
> smtp:
> Oct 02 11:08:13 2003 (1133) All recipients refused: (2, 'No such file or
> directory')
> Oct 02 11:08:13 2003 (1133)
> <fc.004c4b6b00d91d38004c4b6b00d91d38.d91e1c at mydomain.org> smtp for 3
> recips, completed in 0.030 seconds
> 
> smtp-failure:
> Oct 02 11:08:13 2003 (1133) delivery to sladendorf at mydomain.org failed
> with code -1: ignore
> Oct 02 11:08:13 2003 (1133) delivery to sselseth at mydomain.org failed with
> code -1: ignore
> Oct 02 11:08:13 2003 (1133) delivery to test02 at mydomain.org failed with
> code -1: ignore
> 
> subscribe:
> looks normal.
> 
> What file is the smtp log refering to?
> 
> Thanks!!

My guess is that Sendmail (or whatever MTA you are using) is not
listening to localhost (127.0.0.1).  You can test this by doing a:
  netstat -na |grep :25

     # Typical response would look like this:
     # tcp    0   0   127.0.0.1:25   0.0.0.0:*    LISTEN

You should also look at the FAQ 3.14 entry.  That may be helpful.

Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org  Thu Oct  2 19:25:08 2003
From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:25:08 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Safe Practices
Message-ID: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E7CB5@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org>

I anyone using CGI wrappers like suEXEC or CGI Wrap? I am trying to decide
if I should implement either of these for additional security. If you are
using them, are they difficult to install and configure?

Thanks,

Staven



From tal at whatexit.org  Thu Oct  2 21:53:25 2003
From: tal at whatexit.org (Tom Limoncelli)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:53:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.3
In-Reply-To: <20030929094938.A8092@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <1608B492-F512-11D7-A5F8-000A956888C8@whatexit.org>


On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 10:49  AM, Pug Bainter wrote:

> Ricardo Kleemann (ricardo at americasnet.com) said something that sounded 
> like:
>> Is there a way for mailman's configure script to detect the
>> current settings (such as --with-username, --with-mail-gid and so on)?
>>
>> Or is there a quick way for me to manually check what they
>> should be?
>
> I always keep my build directory for at least one version back. Because
> of that, I can look at the top of the config.status file to see how I
> called configure.

Not to one-up you but...

I record the steps I take to build something in a script, so that the 
next time I build something I can edit the script a little and run it.  
Lately I've added a boilerplate at the top that sets the PATH, 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH and other variables so that things are 100% repeatable. 
  (You'd be surprised at the number of times I need to make subtle 
changes to the PATH to get something to build.)

Eventually I made the editing easier by changing version numbers to 
variables, which are all set at the top of the script.

And not to brag, but you should see my BUILD_APACHE.sh script.  It gets 
apache, php, mod_perl, checks the md5 checksums, builds everything, and 
does the install.  And I only have to change variables at the top each 
time a new version is released.

I highly recommend this technique for anyone that upgrades UNIX 
packages frequently.

--tal




From khera at kcilink.com  Thu Oct  2 21:58:05 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:58:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.3
In-Reply-To: <1608B492-F512-11D7-A5F8-000A956888C8@whatexit.org>
References: <20030929094938.A8092@stardock.pug.net>
	<1608B492-F512-11D7-A5F8-000A956888C8@whatexit.org>
Message-ID: <16252.33613.984518.83287@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "TL" == Tom Limoncelli <tal at whatexit.org> writes:

TL> And not to brag, but you should see my BUILD_APACHE.sh script.  It gets 
TL> apache, php, mod_perl, checks the md5 checksums, builds everything, and 
TL> does the install.  And I only have to change variables at the top each 
TL> time a new version is released.

Almost sounds like freebsd's ports system ;-)

Personally, for stuff I don't build from ports with default settings,
I just keep notes in a text file on what I did.

Documentation... who'd a thunk it?

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Vivek Khera, Ph.D.                Khera Communications, Inc.
Internet: khera at kciLink.com       Rockville, MD       +1-240-453-8497
AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera   http://www.khera.org/~vivek/



From barry at python.org  Thu Oct  2 22:59:39 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.3
In-Reply-To: <1608B492-F512-11D7-A5F8-000A956888C8@whatexit.org>
References: <1608B492-F512-11D7-A5F8-000A956888C8@whatexit.org>
Message-ID: <1065128379.24192.22.camel@anthem>

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 15:53, Tom Limoncelli wrote:

> Not to one-up you but...
> 
> I record the steps I take to build something in a script, so that the 
> next time I build something I can edit the script a little and run it.  
> Lately I've added a boilerplate at the top that sets the PATH, 
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH and other variables so that things are 100% repeatable. 
>   (You'd be surprised at the number of times I need to make subtle 
> changes to the PATH to get something to build.)
> 
> Eventually I made the editing easier by changing version numbers to 
> variables, which are all set at the top of the script.
> 
> And not to brag, but you should see my BUILD_APACHE.sh script.  It gets 
> apache, php, mod_perl, checks the md5 checksums, builds everything, and 
> does the install.  And I only have to change variables at the top each 
> time a new version is released.
> 
> I highly recommend this technique for anyone that upgrades UNIX 
> packages frequently.

You'd love our build-out scripts for when we deploy Zope at a customer
site. :)

-Barry





From dkruger at hillel.org  Fri Oct  3 00:33:35 2003
From: dkruger at hillel.org (Kruger, David)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:33:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with attachments
Message-ID: <A7C3955F62F2E742A12A4AB07C09ADEC67E211@moses.ad.hillel.org>

I am runing 2.1 and continue to have trouble with not being able to send
attachments. My Outlook is set to plain text. I have the first setting
under 'Content Filtering' set to 'No'.  I have also added to the 'pass
mime types' filter (though it should not be necessary).  

application/msword
application/pdf
application/vnd.ms-excel

I have the last setting set for 'forward to list-owner'.

Posts that I send with an attachment just disappears....

Any thoughts?




From pod at fisica.urbenalia.com  Fri Oct  3 02:29:29 2003
From: pod at fisica.urbenalia.com (pod)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 02:29:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List users get a 'rejected' error,
	but the messages are posted
Message-ID: <3F7CC2E9.8060209@fisica.urbenalia.com>

Hi,

I'm the webmaster of http://fisica.urbenalia.com, which is hosted in a 
cPanel based server, urbenalia.com. That control panel comes with 
mailman 2.1.2. I've a list called 'Canalfisica' (with internal name 
canalfisica_fisica.urbenalia.com).

Since a week ago, the list users get a rejected message (which I copy 
for you bellow), but the messages are posted correctly. This is strange 
because the rejection message comes from es.urbenalia.com (as you will 
see bellow) instead of fisica.urbenalia.com. The server's administrator 
said that es.urbenalia.com is the internal name of the server.

I looked at the mailman logs, but I didn't found the lines corresponding 
to the rejected messages. I wasn't able to found the answer in the 
documentation, nor in the faq. I think that this can't be a 
misconfiguration of the list, because it worked fine for two months and 
I didn't change anything.

The servers runs linux, kernel 2.4.20-20.7, with apache 1.3.28.

The rejection message that my users get, with the headers (I only have 
deleted the IP's of the private users), are like this:

***********************************************************************
Return-Path: <Mailman-bounces at es.urbenalia.com>
Received: from tsmtp5.mail.isp ([xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]) by mb32.terra.es
           (terra.es) with ESMTP id HM1SQB01.EJF for
           <pod.mailing at terra.es>; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:20:35 +0200
Received: from es.urbenalia.com ([xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]) by
           tsmtp5.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id HM1SQ500.ATZ for
           <pod.mailing at terra.es>; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:20:29 +0200
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=es.urbenalia.com)
	by es.urbenalia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20)
	id 1A4Ss4-0000mI-6K
	for pod at fisica.urbenalia.com; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 00:21:28 +0200
Subject: JavaChat y Mensajes devueltos
From: Mailman-owner at es.urbenalia.com
To: pod at fisica.urbenalia.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 
boundary="===============026969976932705197=="
Message-ID: <mailman.8.1064960462.28394.mailman at es.urbenalia.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 00:21:02 +0200
Precedence: bulk
X-BeenThere: Mailman at es.urbenalia.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2
List-Id: Mailman site list  <mailman.es.urbenalia.com>
X-List-Administrivia: yes
Sender: Mailman-bounces at es.urbenalia.com
Errors-To: Mailman-bounces at es.urbenalia.com
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it 
with any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - es.urbenalia.com
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - fisica.urbenalia.com
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - es.urbenalia.com

--===============026969976932705197==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
Mailman-owner at es.urbenalia.com.

***********************************************************************

The original message was attached.

Thank you for your time,
Jaume (pod)




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct  3 04:18:12 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Oct 2003 22:18:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List users get a 'rejected' error, but the
	messages are posted
In-Reply-To: <3F7CC2E9.8060209@fisica.urbenalia.com>
References: <3F7CC2E9.8060209@fisica.urbenalia.com>
Message-ID: <1065147492.2612.116.camel@Anncons4>

What email address did you send the message to initially?

The message indicates that you sent mail to a mailman list that you were
not authorized to send to.

Send a note to the request address of the list and put as the subject:
info
  <listname>-request at fisica.urenalia.com

This will send back information about the list - including it's real
name and description.  If these don't match with *your* list, then there
is a problem on the server with the aliases.  This is a problem that the
admin of the server would have to fix.

If it comes back with your list information, then the problem is with
your configuration of the list.  Make sure that your email address is
valid and that you have rights to post. 
Make sure you don't have any global filters that are denying folks.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 20:29, pod wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm the webmaster of http://fisica.urbenalia.com, which is hosted in a 
> cPanel based server, urbenalia.com. That control panel comes with 
> mailman 2.1.2. I've a list called 'Canalfisica' (with internal name 
> canalfisica_fisica.urbenalia.com).
> 
> Since a week ago, the list users get a rejected message (which I copy 
> for you bellow), but the messages are posted correctly. This is strange 
> because the rejection message comes from es.urbenalia.com (as you will 
> see bellow) instead of fisica.urbenalia.com. The server's administrator 
> said that es.urbenalia.com is the internal name of the server.
> 
> I looked at the mailman logs, but I didn't found the lines corresponding 
> to the rejected messages. I wasn't able to found the answer in the 
> documentation, nor in the faq. I think that this can't be a 
> misconfiguration of the list, because it worked fine for two months and 
> I didn't change anything.
> 
> The servers runs linux, kernel 2.4.20-20.7, with apache 1.3.28.
> 
> The rejection message that my users get, with the headers (I only have 
> deleted the IP's of the private users), are like this:
> 
> ***********************************************************************
> Return-Path: <Mailman-bounces at es.urbenalia.com>
> Received: from tsmtp5.mail.isp ([xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]) by mb32.terra.es
>            (terra.es) with ESMTP id HM1SQB01.EJF for
>            <pod.mailing at terra.es>; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:20:35 +0200
> Received: from es.urbenalia.com ([xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]) by
>            tsmtp5.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id HM1SQ500.ATZ for
>            <pod.mailing at terra.es>; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:20:29 +0200
> Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=es.urbenalia.com)
> 	by es.urbenalia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20)
> 	id 1A4Ss4-0000mI-6K
> 	for pod at fisica.urbenalia.com; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 00:21:28 +0200
> Subject: JavaChat y Mensajes devueltos
> From: Mailman-owner at es.urbenalia.com
> To: pod at fisica.urbenalia.com
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 
> boundary="===============026969976932705197=="
> Message-ID: <mailman.8.1064960462.28394.mailman at es.urbenalia.com>
> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 00:21:02 +0200
> Precedence: bulk
> X-BeenThere: Mailman at es.urbenalia.com
> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2
> List-Id: Mailman site list  <mailman.es.urbenalia.com>
> X-List-Administrivia: yes
> Sender: Mailman-bounces at es.urbenalia.com
> Errors-To: Mailman-bounces at es.urbenalia.com
> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it 
> with any abuse report
> X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - es.urbenalia.com
> X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - fisica.urbenalia.com
> X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
> X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - es.urbenalia.com
> 
> --===============026969976932705197==
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> 
> You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
> been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
> being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
> Mailman-owner at es.urbenalia.com.
> 
> ***********************************************************************
> 
> The original message was attached.
> 
> Thank you for your time,
> Jaume (pod)
> 
> 
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From dave at difference.com.au  Fri Oct  3 04:22:09 2003
From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:22:09 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom Headers?
In-Reply-To: <1065103949.3832.32.camel@Anncons4>
References: <a0600200ebba17ee468f2@[192.168.0.33]>
	<1065103949.3832.32.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <a06002002bba28d501a25@[192.168.0.33]>

At 10:12 AM -0400 2/10/03, Jon Carnes wrote:
>On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 03:09, David Cake wrote:
>>	I'd like to just add a completely new custom header (in this
>>  case, an X-Comment) to a mailing list. Is there any easy way to do
>>  this with mailman? If not, does anyone have suggestions for how to do
>>  this using procmail, sendmail configuration, or similar?
>>	Cheers
>>		David
>>
>>
>>  PS apologies for posting the same question to this list and the LO
>>  list, I just realised it would be more appropriate here.
>>
>This is actually pretty trivial to do. You can even get by without
>learning Python (well, you'll need to know just a smidgen - but there
>are plenty of examples in Mailman's code).
>
><This is also discussed quite thoroughly in the archives!>
>
>from ~mailman/Mailman do a grep looking for one of the current headers:
>   grep X-List */*
>
>This will show you every file that handles the X-List headers. You
>probably just want to edit ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py and
>add your own.  You might want to put in a check that only adds the
>header to a specific list.

	OK, doesn't look too hard. Not exactly the answer I was 
looking for. A bit of a maintainability nightmare (I assume this 
means redo it everytime mailman is updated), but c'est la vie.
	Is there any reason this feature is not built into mailman?


	Cheers
		David



From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Oct  3 05:05:23 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:05:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  Is there any way to get the date???
In-Reply-To: <E1A3zFm-0002Vi-K8@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A3zFm-0002Vi-K8@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031002215625.03c23950@mail.thcwd.com>

Todd offered a patch to add dates to archive pages:
>Anyway, have someone that knows python and mailman better than I look this
>over before you use it for anything important.

      My server only has announcement lists I control (until this weekend) 
so I backed everything up and plunged in.  Worked beautifully - thanks much!

>There's only two files I needed to modify, Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py,
>and templates/en/archidxentry.html.

      Okay, now that I've seen it, it's an "of course".  Don't know if I'd 
ever have gotten there myself.

>One thing I can see being a problem is that lines will get real long so 
>the formatting in archidxentry.html might
>need to be played with to keep it readable.

      I've set the date to a couple of sized smaller, and that helps (see 
below).  If I can cut off the year and time zone it would fit nicely.  It 
would also be nice to have a truncate feature for the subject.  Things to 
put on my very long list.


>=====================================================================
>- --- Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py~    Sun Sep 28 20:21:28 2003
>+++ Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py       Sun Sep 28 20:22:43 2003
>@@ -965,16 +965,19 @@
>      def write_index_entry(self, article):
>          subject = self.get_header("subject", article)
>          author = self.get_header("author", article)
>+        datestr = i18n.ctime(int(article.date))
>          if mm_cfg.ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS:
>              author = re.sub('@', _(' at '), author)
>          subject = CGIescape(subject, self.lang)
>          author = CGIescape(author, self.lang)
>+        datestr = CGIescape(datestr, self.lang)
>
>          d = {
>              'filename': urllib.quote(article.filename),
>              'subject':  subject,
>              'sequence': article.sequence,
>- -            'author':   author
>+            'author':   author,
>+            'datestr':  datestr
>          }
>          print quick_maketext(
>              'archidxentry.html', d,
>- --- templates/en/archidxentry.html~   Mon Sep 22 15:46:26 2003
>+++ templates/en/archidxentry.html      Sun Sep 28 20:19:22 2003
>@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
>  <LI><A HREF="%(filename)s">%(subject)s
>  </A><A NAME="%(sequence)i">&nbsp;</A>
>- -<I>%(author)s
>+<I>%(author)s (%(datestr)s)
>  </I>

      My formatting for archidxentry.html:

      </A><A NAME="%(sequence)i">&nbsp;</A>
- -  <I>%(author)s
+   <I>%(author)s </I>&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><small>(%(datestr)s)</small></small>



<>< Paul 




From pod at fisica.urbenalia.com  Fri Oct  3 05:54:07 2003
From: pod at fisica.urbenalia.com (pod)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:54:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List users get a 'rejected' error,
	but the messages are posted
In-Reply-To: <1065147492.2612.116.camel@Anncons4>
References: <3F7CC2E9.8060209@fisica.urbenalia.com>
	<1065147492.2612.116.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <3F7CF2DF.6020103@fisica.urbenalia.com>

Jon Carnes escribi?:
> What email address did you send the message to initially?

To the post address of my (in this case, 
Canalfisica at fisica.urbenalia.com). All those messages reaches the list, 
but at the same time we get the error message. This seems to happens to 
*all* the users of the list.

> The message indicates that you sent mail to a mailman list that you were
> not authorized to send to.

Yes, but which list? The messages are really posted to my list, and the 
error comes from other direction.

> Send a note to the request address of the list and put as the subject:
> info
>   <listname>-request at fisica.urenalia.com
> 
> This will send back information about the list - including it's real
> name and description.  If these don't match with *your* list, then there
> is a problem on the server with the aliases.  This is a problem that the
> admin of the server would have to fix.

I did it. I get two messages, one with the information of my list (from 
Canalfisica-bounces at fisica.urbenalia.com) and one from 
Mailman-bounces at es.urbenalia.com. The later message contains the 
following headers:

List-Id: Mailman site list  <mailman.es.urbenalia.com>
X-List-Administrivia: yes

Since es.urbenalia.com is the internal name of the main server, this 
list should be created by the admin, but he said that he didn't. The 
problem might be that those two list recive all the emails, so 
mailman.es.urbenalia.com rejectes its copy.

If it is a problem with aliases, I don't know if the server admins knows 
how to fix it. Where in the documentation is this issue explained?

> If it comes back with your list information, then the problem is with
> your configuration of the list.  Make sure that your email address is
> valid and that you have rights to post. 
> Make sure you don't have any global filters that are denying folks.

Since the messages reaches the list, I think that this can't be the error.

> 
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes

Thank you :)

> 
> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 20:29, pod wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>I'm the webmaster of http://fisica.urbenalia.com, which is hosted in a 
>>cPanel based server, urbenalia.com. That control panel comes with 
>>mailman 2.1.2. I've a list called 'Canalfisica' (with internal name 
>>canalfisica_fisica.urbenalia.com).
>>
>>Since a week ago, the list users get a rejected message (which I copy 
>>for you bellow), but the messages are posted correctly. This is strange 
>>because the rejection message comes from es.urbenalia.com (as you will 
>>see bellow) instead of fisica.urbenalia.com. The server's administrator 
>>said that es.urbenalia.com is the internal name of the server.
>>
>>I looked at the mailman logs, but I didn't found the lines corresponding 
>>to the rejected messages. I wasn't able to found the answer in the 
>>documentation, nor in the faq. I think that this can't be a 
>>misconfiguration of the list, because it worked fine for two months and 
>>I didn't change anything.
>>
>>The servers runs linux, kernel 2.4.20-20.7, with apache 1.3.28.
>>
>>The rejection message that my users get, with the headers (I only have 
>>deleted the IP's of the private users), are like this:
>>
>>***********************************************************************
>>Return-Path: <Mailman-bounces at es.urbenalia.com>
>>Received: from tsmtp5.mail.isp ([xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]) by mb32.terra.es
>>           (terra.es) with ESMTP id HM1SQB01.EJF for
>>           <pod.mailing at terra.es>; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:20:35 +0200
>>Received: from es.urbenalia.com ([xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]) by
>>           tsmtp5.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id HM1SQ500.ATZ for
>>           <pod.mailing at terra.es>; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:20:29 +0200
>>Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=es.urbenalia.com)
>>	by es.urbenalia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20)
>>	id 1A4Ss4-0000mI-6K
>>	for pod at fisica.urbenalia.com; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 00:21:28 +0200
>>Subject: JavaChat y Mensajes devueltos
>>From: Mailman-owner at es.urbenalia.com
>>To: pod at fisica.urbenalia.com
>>MIME-Version: 1.0
>>Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 
>>boundary="===============026969976932705197=="
>>Message-ID: <mailman.8.1064960462.28394.mailman at es.urbenalia.com>
>>Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 00:21:02 +0200
>>Precedence: bulk
>>X-BeenThere: Mailman at es.urbenalia.com
>>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2
>>List-Id: Mailman site list  <mailman.es.urbenalia.com>
>>X-List-Administrivia: yes
>>Sender: Mailman-bounces at es.urbenalia.com
>>Errors-To: Mailman-bounces at es.urbenalia.com
>>X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it 
>>with any abuse report
>>X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - es.urbenalia.com
>>X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - fisica.urbenalia.com
>>X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
>>X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - es.urbenalia.com
>>
>>--===============026969976932705197==
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>MIME-Version: 1.0
>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>
>>You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
>>been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
>>being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
>>Mailman-owner at es.urbenalia.com.
>>
>>***********************************************************************
>>
>>The original message was attached.
>>
>>Thank you for your time,
>>Jaume (pod)





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct  3 08:13:03 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Oct 2003 02:13:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List users get a 'rejected' error, but the
	messages are posted
In-Reply-To: <3F7CF2DF.6020103@fisica.urbenalia.com>
References: <3F7CC2E9.8060209@fisica.urbenalia.com>
	<1065147492.2612.116.camel@Anncons4>
	<3F7CF2DF.6020103@fisica.urbenalia.com>
Message-ID: <1065161582.3040.33.camel@Anncons4>

Ah-Ha!

Sounds like you have a mailman list subscribed to *your* list.  Take a
look at your list membership and see if one of the subscribed emails is
going back to the server. 

Happy hunting!

Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 23:54, pod wrote:
> Jon Carnes escribi?:
> > What email address did you send the message to initially?
> 
> To the post address of my (in this case, 
> Canalfisica at fisica.urbenalia.com). All those messages reaches the list, 
> but at the same time we get the error message. This seems to happens to 
> *all* the users of the list.
> 
> > The message indicates that you sent mail to a mailman list that you were
> > not authorized to send to.
> 
> Yes, but which list? The messages are really posted to my list, and the 
> error comes from other direction.
> 
> > Send a note to the request address of the list and put as the subject:
> > info
> >   <listname>-request at fisica.urenalia.com
> > 
> > This will send back information about the list - including it's real
> > name and description.  If these don't match with *your* list, then there
> > is a problem on the server with the aliases.  This is a problem that the
> > admin of the server would have to fix.
> 
> I did it. I get two messages, one with the information of my list (from 
> Canalfisica-bounces at fisica.urbenalia.com) and one from 
> Mailman-bounces at es.urbenalia.com. The later message contains the 
> following headers:
> 
> List-Id: Mailman site list  <mailman.es.urbenalia.com>
> X-List-Administrivia: yes
> 
> Since es.urbenalia.com is the internal name of the main server, this 
> list should be created by the admin, but he said that he didn't. The 
> problem might be that those two list recive all the emails, so 
> mailman.es.urbenalia.com rejectes its copy.
> 
> If it is a problem with aliases, I don't know if the server admins knows 
> how to fix it. Where in the documentation is this issue explained?
> 
> > If it comes back with your list information, then the problem is with
> > your configuration of the list.  Make sure that your email address is
> > valid and that you have rights to post. 
> > Make sure you don't have any global filters that are denying folks.
> 
> Since the messages reaches the list, I think that this can't be the error.
> 
> > 
> > Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> Thank you :)
> 
> > 
> > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 20:29, pod wrote:
> > 
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>I'm the webmaster of http://fisica.urbenalia.com, which is hosted in a 
> >>cPanel based server, urbenalia.com. That control panel comes with 
> >>mailman 2.1.2. I've a list called 'Canalfisica' (with internal name 
> >>canalfisica_fisica.urbenalia.com).
> >>
> >>Since a week ago, the list users get a rejected message (which I copy 
> >>for you bellow), but the messages are posted correctly. This is strange 
> >>because the rejection message comes from es.urbenalia.com (as you will 
> >>see bellow) instead of fisica.urbenalia.com. The server's administrator 
> >>said that es.urbenalia.com is the internal name of the server.
> >>
> >>I looked at the mailman logs, but I didn't found the lines corresponding 
> >>to the rejected messages. I wasn't able to found the answer in the 
> >>documentation, nor in the faq. I think that this can't be a 
> >>misconfiguration of the list, because it worked fine for two months and 
> >>I didn't change anything.
> >>
> >>The servers runs linux, kernel 2.4.20-20.7, with apache 1.3.28.
> >>
> >>The rejection message that my users get, with the headers (I only have 
> >>deleted the IP's of the private users), are like this:
> >>
> >>***********************************************************************
> >>Return-Path: <Mailman-bounces at es.urbenalia.com>
> >>Received: from tsmtp5.mail.isp ([xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]) by mb32.terra.es
> >>           (terra.es) with ESMTP id HM1SQB01.EJF for
> >>           <pod.mailing at terra.es>; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:20:35 +0200
> >>Received: from es.urbenalia.com ([xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]) by
> >>           tsmtp5.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id HM1SQ500.ATZ for
> >>           <pod.mailing at terra.es>; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:20:29 +0200
> >>Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=es.urbenalia.com)
> >>	by es.urbenalia.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20)
> >>	id 1A4Ss4-0000mI-6K
> >>	for pod at fisica.urbenalia.com; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 00:21:28 +0200
> >>Subject: JavaChat y Mensajes devueltos
> >>From: Mailman-owner at es.urbenalia.com
> >>To: pod at fisica.urbenalia.com
> >>MIME-Version: 1.0
> >>Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 
> >>boundary="===============026969976932705197=="
> >>Message-ID: <mailman.8.1064960462.28394.mailman at es.urbenalia.com>
> >>Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 00:21:02 +0200
> >>Precedence: bulk
> >>X-BeenThere: Mailman at es.urbenalia.com
> >>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2
> >>List-Id: Mailman site list  <mailman.es.urbenalia.com>
> >>X-List-Administrivia: yes
> >>Sender: Mailman-bounces at es.urbenalia.com
> >>Errors-To: Mailman-bounces at es.urbenalia.com
> >>X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it 
> >>with any abuse report
> >>X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - es.urbenalia.com
> >>X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - fisica.urbenalia.com
> >>X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
> >>X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - es.urbenalia.com
> >>
> >>--===============026969976932705197==
> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>MIME-Version: 1.0
> >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >>
> >>You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
> >>been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
> >>being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
> >>Mailman-owner at es.urbenalia.com.
> >>
> >>***********************************************************************
> >>
> >>The original message was attached.
> >>
> >>Thank you for your time,
> >>Jaume (pod)
> 
> 




From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com  Fri Oct  3 15:38:19 2003
From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganeshh)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 19:08:19 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [mailman hit by a bug error in 2.0.8]
Message-ID: <3F7D7BCB.6030302@lateralsoftware.com>

Hi all

I had a server crashed yesterday and i recovered my mail server running 
on exim with mailman 2.0.8  which has over 50 mailing list.

There was too many mails in the mailman queue and i ran them manually 
and cleared. Since its a moderated list, when i got to the web interface 
for approval i get the following error


    Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8


      We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, 
but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.


hen i looked into the error file, the error message is as below

Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985): Traceback (most recent call last):
Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      kids = main(lock)
Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 195, in main
Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      lock.refresh()
Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      raise NotLockedError
Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError  
Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082): Traceback (most recent call last):
Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman//cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      kids = main(lock)
Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman//cron/qrunner", line 195, in main
Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      lock.refresh()
Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      raise NotLockedError
Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError  
Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092): Traceback (most recent call last):
Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ?
Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):      lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock

how do i resolve this problem, am actually struck here...

THanks in advance
Regards
Ganeshh









From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct  3 17:00:12 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Oct 2003 11:00:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [mailman hit by a bug error in 2.0.8]
In-Reply-To: <3F7D7BCB.6030302@lateralsoftware.com>
References: <3F7D7BCB.6030302@lateralsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1065193211.2601.31.camel@Anncons4>

You might consider upgrading to version 2.0.13...

It's been quite awhile since I played with 2.0.8, but it looks like a
locking problem. You might want to check for any older lock files that
are still in the ~mailman/locks directory. If there are, the lock files
have the number of the running process as part of their name.  

You can use "ps -ax |grep <number>" to try and find the process that
created the lock file.  If you do not find the process, delete the lock
file.

Also, as a long-shot, you might want to run
  ~mailman/bin/check_perms -f
to make sure that the rights for your locks directory is setup properly.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes


On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 09:38, Ganeshh wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I had a server crashed yesterday and i recovered my mail server running 
> on exim with mailman 2.0.8  which has over 50 mailing list.
> 
> There was too many mails in the mailman queue and i ran them manually 
> and cleared. Since its a moderated list, when i got to the web interface 
> for approval i get the following error
> 
> 
>     Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8
> 
> 
>       We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> 
> Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
> traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, 
> but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
> 
> 
> hen i looked into the error file, the error message is as below
> 
> Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985): Traceback (most recent call last):
> Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
> Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      kids = main(lock)
> Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 195, in main
> Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      lock.refresh()
> Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
> Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      raise NotLockedError
> Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError  
> Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082): Traceback (most recent call last):
> Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman//cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
> Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      kids = main(lock)
> Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman//cron/qrunner", line 195, in main
> Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      lock.refresh()
> Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
> Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      raise NotLockedError
> Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError  
> Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092): Traceback (most recent call last):
> Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ?
> Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):      lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
> Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock
> 
> how do i resolve this problem, am actually struck here...
> 
> THanks in advance
> Regards
> Ganeshh
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jeffh at gryphongardens.com  Fri Oct  3 17:06:15 2003
From: jeffh at gryphongardens.com (Jeff Hahn)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:06:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DirecPC, MailShield and VERP
Message-ID: <004e01c389bf$e467c2b0$14cca8c0@internal.gryphongardens.com>

In their infinite wisdom, DirecWay/DirecPC appear to be using a program that
rejects VERP'd from addresses.

The non-VERP'd messages are delivered by exim...

2003-10-03 08:38:38 1A5Q8F-0005zh-00 => xxxxxxxx at direcway.com R=lookuphost
T=remote_smtp H=mx1.direcpc.com [66.82.4.72] C="250 2.5.0 Ok. (relayed by
MailShield)"

The VERP'd messages are rejected...

2003-10-03 08:35:43 1A5Q5u-0005vu-02 ** xxxxxxxx at direcway.com R=lookuphost
T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL
FROM:<listname-bounces+xxxxxxxx=direcway.com at lists.gryphongardens.com>
SIZE=4682: host mx1.direcpc.com [66.82.4.72]: 550 SMTP session aborted;
2

Is there anyway to disable VERP (which has proved very useful in handling
bounces) on a per recipient or per list basis????

Thanks!

-Jeff





From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com  Fri Oct  3 17:21:22 2003
From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganeshh)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 20:51:22 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [mailman hit by a bug error in 2.0.8]
References: <3F7D7BCB.6030302@lateralsoftware.com>
	<1065193211.2601.31.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <3F7D93F2.1090200@lateralsoftware.com>

Hi Jon

I did the steps as you mentioned, i dont find any such process ids or 
lock files under locks directory...

check_perms gave result as No Errors Found.

The problem persists, what should i do next

Regards
Ganeshh


Jon Carnes wrote:

>You might consider upgrading to version 2.0.13...
>
>It's been quite awhile since I played with 2.0.8, but it looks like a
>locking problem. You might want to check for any older lock files that
>are still in the ~mailman/locks directory. If there are, the lock files
>have the number of the running process as part of their name.  
>
>You can use "ps -ax |grep <number>" to try and find the process that
>created the lock file.  If you do not find the process, delete the lock
>file.
>
>Also, as a long-shot, you might want to run
>  ~mailman/bin/check_perms -f
>to make sure that the rights for your locks directory is setup properly.
>
>Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>
>
>On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 09:38, Ganeshh wrote:
>
>>Hi all
>>
>>I had a server crashed yesterday and i recovered my mail server running 
>>on exim with mailman 2.0.8  which has over 50 mailing list.
>>
>>There was too many mails in the mailman queue and i ran them manually 
>>and cleared. Since its a moderated list, when i got to the web interface 
>>for approval i get the following error
>>
>>
>>    Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8
>>
>>
>>      We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>>
>>Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
>>traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, 
>>but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
>>
>>
>>hen i looked into the error file, the error message is as below
>>
>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985): Traceback (most recent call last):
>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      kids = main(lock)
>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 195, in main
>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      lock.refresh()
>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      raise NotLockedError
>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError  
>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082): Traceback (most recent call last):
>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman//cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      kids = main(lock)
>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman//cron/qrunner", line 195, in main
>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      lock.refresh()
>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      raise NotLockedError
>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError  
>>Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092): Traceback (most recent call last):
>>Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ?
>>Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):      lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
>>Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock
>>
>>how do i resolve this problem, am actually struck here...
>>
>>THanks in advance
>>Regards
>>Ganeshh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
>>Mailman-Users mailing list
>>Mailman-Users at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>>This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
>>Unsubscribe or change your options at
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
>>
>
>
>






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct  3 17:45:41 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Oct 2003 11:45:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [mailman hit by a bug error in 2.0.8]
In-Reply-To: <3F7D93F2.1090200@lateralsoftware.com>
References: <3F7D7BCB.6030302@lateralsoftware.com>
	<1065193211.2601.31.camel@Anncons4>
	<3F7D93F2.1090200@lateralsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1065195940.2601.44.camel@Anncons4>

If I recall correctly, the next step is to look in the qfiles directory
and move any files in there into a backup directory.  Then test to see
if a new message goes through.

If that works, you can feed the waiting files back into that directory a
few at a time and let them be delivered.  At some point it will break
again and that will help you find which one was corrupted (then delete
that one - or set of files).

Again, Good Luck!

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 11:21, Ganeshh wrote:
> Hi Jon
> 
> I did the steps as you mentioned, i dont find any such process ids or 
> lock files under locks directory...
> 
> check_perms gave result as No Errors Found.
> 
> The problem persists, what should i do next
> 
> Regards
> Ganeshh
> 
> 
> Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> >You might consider upgrading to version 2.0.13...
> >
> >It's been quite awhile since I played with 2.0.8, but it looks like a
> >locking problem. You might want to check for any older lock files that
> >are still in the ~mailman/locks directory. If there are, the lock files
> >have the number of the running process as part of their name.  
> >
> >You can use "ps -ax |grep <number>" to try and find the process that
> >created the lock file.  If you do not find the process, delete the lock
> >file.
> >
> >Also, as a long-shot, you might want to run
> >  ~mailman/bin/check_perms -f
> >to make sure that the rights for your locks directory is setup properly.
> >
> >Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 09:38, Ganeshh wrote:
> >
> >>Hi all
> >>
> >>I had a server crashed yesterday and i recovered my mail server running 
> >>on exim with mailman 2.0.8  which has over 50 mailing list.
> >>
> >>There was too many mails in the mailman queue and i ran them manually 
> >>and cleared. Since its a moderated list, when i got to the web interface 
> >>for approval i get the following error
> >>
> >>
> >>    Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8
> >>
> >>
> >>      We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> >>
> >>Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
> >>traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, 
> >>but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
> >>
> >>
> >>hen i looked into the error file, the error message is as below
> >>
> >>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985): Traceback (most recent call last):
> >>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
> >>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      kids = main(lock)
> >>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 195, in main
> >>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      lock.refresh()
> >>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
> >>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      raise NotLockedError
> >>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError  
> >>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082): Traceback (most recent call last):
> >>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman//cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
> >>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      kids = main(lock)
> >>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman//cron/qrunner", line 195, in main
> >>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      lock.refresh()
> >>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
> >>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      raise NotLockedError
> >>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError  
> >>Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092): Traceback (most recent call last):
> >>Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ?
> >>Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):      lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
> >>Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock
> >>
> >>how do i resolve this problem, am actually struck here...
> >>
> >>THanks in advance
> >>Regards
> >>Ganeshh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>------------------------------------------------------
> >>Mailman-Users mailing list
> >>Mailman-Users at python.org
> >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >>
> >>This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> >>Unsubscribe or change your options at
> >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 




From ben at videonetwork.org  Fri Oct  3 17:58:00 2003
From: ben at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards)
Date: 03 Oct 2003 16:58:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Archive Link broken / not working
Message-ID: <1065196680.626.18.camel@red>

I am using Mailman 2.1.2.  All the lists I have the Archive link takes
me to a link link http://lists.serverone.co.uk/pipermail/bfm/ and I get
the error 'The requested URL /pipermail/bfm/ was not found on this
server.'.  A friend of mine also has similar problems.  Is this a known
issue with a workaround.  One think that may be relevent is we have
changed the name of the server, alouth as the URL has lists. at the
beginning I guess things are ok (the main domain on the server is
oak.serverone.co.uk).

Ben 
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From camtech at white-wolf.com  Fri Oct  3 18:01:11 2003
From: camtech at white-wolf.com (Jerry Spaulding)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:01:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after python upgrade
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031003115647.03419a30@mail.white-wolf.com>

I upgraded python to version 2.2.2. Now, for _every_ message that hits any 
of our lists, we get an entry in the error file of something like:
Oct 03 11:48:00 2003 (712) lost data files for filebase: 
1065106187.152128+c53e6c32d2697be42fa4c19addd64fc104d934a7
The messages still get out, but really, 20mb of log file in one day is a 
bit much.


Jerry Spaulding.





From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com  Fri Oct  3 18:19:28 2003
From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganeshh)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 21:49:28 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [mailman hit by a bug error in 2.0.8]
References: <3F7D7BCB.6030302@lateralsoftware.com>	
	<1065193211.2601.31.camel@Anncons4>
	<3F7D93F2.1090200@lateralsoftware.com>
	<1065195940.2601.44.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <3F7DA190.8000408@lateralsoftware.com>

Hi Jon

The solution was finally simple, i renamed the error file to some other 
name and my web interface came up and i approved the tons of list mails.

Thanks a lot for you help

Regards
Ganeshh
Jon Carnes wrote:

>If I recall correctly, the next step is to look in the qfiles directory
>and move any files in there into a backup directory.  Then test to see
>if a new message goes through.
>
>If that works, you can feed the waiting files back into that directory a
>few at a time and let them be delivered.  At some point it will break
>again and that will help you find which one was corrupted (then delete
>that one - or set of files).
>
>Again, Good Luck!
>
>On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 11:21, Ganeshh wrote:
>
>>Hi Jon
>>
>>I did the steps as you mentioned, i dont find any such process ids or 
>>lock files under locks directory...
>>
>>check_perms gave result as No Errors Found.
>>
>>The problem persists, what should i do next
>>
>>Regards
>>Ganeshh
>>
>>
>>Jon Carnes wrote:
>>
>>>You might consider upgrading to version 2.0.13...
>>>
>>>It's been quite awhile since I played with 2.0.8, but it looks like a
>>>locking problem. You might want to check for any older lock files that
>>>are still in the ~mailman/locks directory. If there are, the lock files
>>>have the number of the running process as part of their name.  
>>>
>>>You can use "ps -ax |grep <number>" to try and find the process that
>>>created the lock file.  If you do not find the process, delete the lock
>>>file.
>>>
>>>Also, as a long-shot, you might want to run
>>> ~mailman/bin/check_perms -f
>>>to make sure that the rights for your locks directory is setup properly.
>>>
>>>Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 09:38, Ganeshh wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi all
>>>>
>>>>I had a server crashed yesterday and i recovered my mail server running 
>>>>on exim with mailman 2.0.8  which has over 50 mailing list.
>>>>
>>>>There was too many mails in the mailman queue and i ran them manually 
>>>>and cleared. Since its a moderated list, when i got to the web interface 
>>>>for approval i get the following error
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>>>>
>>>>Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
>>>>traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, 
>>>>but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>hen i looked into the error file, the error message is as below
>>>>
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985): Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      kids = main(lock)
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 195, in main
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      lock.refresh()
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985):      raise NotLockedError
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:02 2003 qrunner(17985): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError  
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082): Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman//cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      kids = main(lock)
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman//cron/qrunner", line 195, in main
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      lock.refresh()
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082):      raise NotLockedError
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:05 2003 qrunner(18082): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError  
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092): Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ?
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):      lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
>>>>Oct 03 18:10:06 2003 qrunner(18092):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock
>>>>
>>>>how do i resolve this problem, am actually struck here...
>>>>
>>>>THanks in advance
>>>>Regards
>>>>Ganeshh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>------------------------------------------------------
>>>>Mailman-Users mailing list
>>>>Mailman-Users at python.org
>>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>>>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>>>
>>>>This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
>>>>Unsubscribe or change your options at
>>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct  3 18:34:54 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Oct 2003 12:34:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after python upgrade
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031003115647.03419a30@mail.white-wolf.com>
References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031003115647.03419a30@mail.white-wolf.com>
Message-ID: <1065198894.2601.47.camel@Anncons4>

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 12:01, Jerry Spaulding wrote:
> I upgraded python to version 2.2.2. Now, for _every_ message that hits any 
> of our lists, we get an entry in the error file of something like:
> Oct 03 11:48:00 2003 (712) lost data files for filebase: 
> 1065106187.152128+c53e6c32d2697be42fa4c19addd64fc104d934a7
> The messages still get out, but really, 20mb of log file in one day is a 
> bit much.
> 
> 
> Jerry Spaulding.
> 
Hope you saved you source tree for mailman.  If you did, then simply
redo: ./configure <options>; make install

Best of luck - Jon Carnes




From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Oct  3 20:38:40 2003
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul Smith)
Date: 03 Oct 2003 14:38:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal vs. external mail addresses
In-Reply-To: <3F7DA190.8000408@lateralsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <p5he2q2mkv.fsf_-_@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

I have some internal mailing lists that are trying to be closed (only
members can post without moderator approval).

Unfortunately, we have different email addresses for internal
vs. external mail, and our Exchange (:-/) server rewrites our addresses
for mail we send internally to be from the internal address, even if we
have a From: line etc. using the external address.

So, when people send mail to the list part of the time it looks like it
comes from their external address, and part of the time it looks like it
comes from their internal address.  When the mail looks like it comes
from the "other" address and it's addressed to a closed list, the moder
has to approve it (or they have to allow every user's alternate address
individually).  This is a major pain!


I'm wondering if there's any capability in Mailman to have it understand
that two different mail domains are really equivalent, so that
psmith at foobar.com is the same as psmith at lists.foo.bar.com  (for
example)?

Anyone else have any ideas (not including changing the way our email or
Exchange servers work... believe me I'd love to do that but...)

-- 
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 "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
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   These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.



From pod at fisica.urbenalia.com  Fri Oct  3 21:18:08 2003
From: pod at fisica.urbenalia.com (pod)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 21:18:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List users get a 'rejected' error,
	but the	messages are posted
In-Reply-To: <1065161582.3040.33.camel@Anncons4>
References: <3F7CC2E9.8060209@fisica.urbenalia.com>	
	<1065147492.2612.116.camel@Anncons4>	
	<3F7CF2DF.6020103@fisica.urbenalia.com>
	<1065161582.3040.33.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <3F7DCB70.20506@fisica.urbenalia.com>

Jon Carnes escribi?:
> Ah-Ha!
> 
> Sounds like you have a mailman list subscribed to *your* list.  Take a
> look at your list membership and see if one of the subscribed emails is
> going back to the server. 
> 
> Happy hunting!
> 
> Jon Carnes
> 

I manually send a mail to every subscriber of the list, and I didn't get 
the same error, so it seems that there is no a list subscribed to my list.

I also looked at the lists in the subdomain es.urbenalia.com (where 
errors come from, instead of my subdomain fisica.urbenalia.com) and 
there wasn't any list created. Is "Mailman site list 
<mailman.es.urbenalia.com>" an internal list?

I think that the answer could be the other possibility that you 
mentioned in the first message, an error with aliases. I told that to 
the admin, and he promised to me that next monday he'll try to fix it. 
What kind of error can cause this false rejections from another subdomain?

Thank you a lot for your help,

Be happy ;)
Jaume




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sat Oct  4 00:31:21 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:31:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not allowing mass-subscription (web interface)
Message-ID: <20031003223117.GC27747@hq.newdream.net>

Is there an option to disable mass-subscription from the web interface,
so that users can't add non-confirmed addresses themselves?

Is there an option to require re-confirmation for addresses added (I
guess only allowing "invite" but not "subscribe" would take care of
this.

Lastly, is there a way to get Mailman to record information about
confirmation of a subscription (if a link was clicked, from what IP; if
via an email message, the headers of the message)? Is there a way to
tell whether a user was mass-subscribed or confirmed their subscription
to the list?

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")





From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sat Oct  4 00:38:45 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:38:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] affecting "public" name of list
Message-ID: <20031003223844.GD27747@hq.newdream.net>

Is it possible to change the "public" email address of a list (that
reported in the rfc2369 headers, message footers, etc.) while
maintaining a different name internally? Would there be any obvious
problems I'm missing with such a feature?

For our virtually hosted lists, we need independent namespaces on a
per-domain basis. This isn't really something that Mailman currently
handles AFAICT. So we might have:

listname at lists.example.com (or listname at example.com) forwarding to
listname-example.com at lists.example.com.

Obviously this looks ugly, and encourages people to send to the "wrong"
address; it's a simple matter, of course, to alias
listname at example.com to listname-example.com at lists.example.com.

This "hack" (if it worked) wouldn't be perfect, but would at least
improve the virtual hosting situation for our purposes. For various
reasons, it's not practical to do a unique installation of Mailman for
each account or domain, and requiring unique listnames globally will
also not work for our purposes.

If not, consider this an RFE (I can submit one on the site if
requested). If someone wanted to provide a patch for this (against
2.1.3), I might even be able to give them some money if it worked
properly.

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Oct  4 01:07:54 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Oct 2003 19:07:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not allowing mass-subscription (web interface)
In-Reply-To: <20031003223117.GC27747@hq.newdream.net>
References: <20031003223117.GC27747@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <1065222473.2601.160.camel@Anncons4>

This would be a fairly simple hack to the source.  You would simply grep
for the option you want to comment out and when you find it in the
source, comment it out.  Then it won't appear in the web pages (that
would be for every list).


On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 18:31, Will Yardley wrote:
> Is there an option to disable mass-subscription from the web interface,
> so that users can't add non-confirmed addresses themselves?
> 
> Is there an option to require re-confirmation for addresses added (I
> guess only allowing "invite" but not "subscribe" would take care of
> this.
> 
> Lastly, is there a way to get Mailman to record information about
> confirmation of a subscription (if a link was clicked, from what IP; if
> via an email message, the headers of the message)? Is there a way to
> tell whether a user was mass-subscribed or confirmed their subscription
> to the list?




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sat Oct  4 01:34:30 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:34:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: not allowing mass-subscription (web interface)
In-Reply-To: <1065222473.2601.160.camel@Anncons4>
References: <20031003223117.GC27747@hq.newdream.net>
	<1065222473.2601.160.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <20031003233430.GH27747@hq.newdream.net>

On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 07:07:54PM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:

> This would be a fairly simple hack to the source.  You would simply grep
> for the option you want to comment out and when you find it in the
> source, comment it out.  Then it won't appear in the web pages (that
> would be for every list).

Right.

I was hoping that it was configurable in some way so that we don't have
to end up maintaining too many local changes, but I'll keep this in
mind.

Now that Mailman is more suited to announce-only lists, it would make
sense to have an option like this, as a site administrator may want to
prevent users from abusing Mailman to send spam.

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")





From atrick at prin.edu  Sat Oct  4 05:05:36 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:05:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rebuilding message archive
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031003220257.036ea120@mail.prin.edu>

I need to clean up a private archive, and followed the instructions someone 
posted in a previous thread here:  edited the mbox file to remove the 
messages not wanted in the archive, deleted the html files in the 
<listname>/2003 directory, and then ran ./arch <listname>.

It recreates the html files (except for the linked index.html->thread.html 
that used to be there), but there are still references to deleted messages 
on the Web page for the archive.

What am I missing?

Thanks,

Allan




From atrick at prin.edu  Sat Oct  4 05:10:15 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:10:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Mailman
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031003220558.02c3cee0@mail.prin.edu>

I really like the way Mailman is configured 
here:  mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users.  Users can add their 
real name (optionally).  And when they change email addresses, it allows 
them to CHANGE, not unsub and resub (the way my own list works).  I'd like 
to add these two features to my installation.  Do I need to write the code 
to do that myself or has someone described how to do this somewhere?

Thanks for any help!

Allan Trick




From atrick at prin.edu  Sat Oct  4 05:17:08 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:17:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Mailman
In-Reply-To: <7C842963-F618-11D7-9E3F-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031003220558.02c3cee0@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031003221445.02b34e50@mail.prin.edu>

Ah.  We're on 2.0.13!

I think I read that 2.1.2 is the latest "stable" release.  Has that now 
been upgraded to 2.1.3?

We just started using Mailman.  Is an upgrade from where I'm at to 2.1.x 
going to be pretty straightforward?

Thx,

Allan




From atrick at prin.edu  Sat Oct  4 05:22:09 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:22:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rebuilding message archive
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031003220257.036ea120@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031003222045.02c3cee0@mail.prin.edu>

Shame on me.  I didn't read the FAQ thoroughly enough:

>Q. I want to get rid of some messages in my archive. How do I do this?
>A. David Rocher posts the following recipe:
>
># remove $prefix/archives/private/listname
># edit $prefix/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox [optional]
># run $prefix/bin/arch listname

I didn't delete the whole listname directory in archives/private 
before.  Now I have, re-ran ./arch and the database is all updated!

Allan




From lj at mandala-designs.com  Sat Oct  4 09:39:09 2003
From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs  )
Date: Sat,  4 Oct 2003 03:39:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group Mismatch Error
Message-ID: <200310040339.AA12649462@mandala-designs.com>

Folks --

I recently moved some Mailman lists from a RH Linux server to a FreeBSD server, with Mailman 2.1.3 and Postfix 2.1.14. The lists that were on the FreeBSD system had been running fine with the configuration set as "--with-mail-gid=mailman". The lists I moved to this FreeBSD server had been set with "--with-mail-gid=nobody". Is there a simple way to change the "nobody" gid lists to be gid "mailman"?

Thanks. 

 
________________________________________________________________
Sent via the WebMessaging system at mandala-designs.com


 
                   
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Oct  4 10:29:11 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:29:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Mailman
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031003221445.02b34e50@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <D453004E-F644-11D7-944B-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 04:17  am, Allan Trick wrote:

> Ah.  We're on 2.0.13!
>
> I think I read that 2.1.2 is the latest "stable" release.  Has that 
> now been upgraded to 2.1.3?
>

see:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103


> We just started using Mailman.  Is an upgrade from where I'm at to 
> 2.1.x going to be pretty straightforward?
>

Yes, if you are installing from source but do read the INSTALL and 
UPGRADE files carefully as there are some changes from 2.0.x to 2.1.x 
which can trip you up; new cron/qrunner organisation and revised mail 
aliases.

If you used some other method, RPM for instance, then check/search the 
mailman-users archives for problems/solutions for those installation 
methods.

> Thx,
>
> Allan
>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From ezk at cs.sunysb.edu  Sat Oct  4 17:50:18 2003
From: ezk at cs.sunysb.edu (Erez Zadok)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:50:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering by subject or other headers?
Message-ID: <200310041550.h94FoIS8014525@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>

Is there a way I can setup mail filters by subject or other headers (not
just by from/recipient)?  Spammers often send spam faked as having been sent
by my lists.  Then I get all sorts of bounces from the actual recipients
such as "SpamAssassin Identified this message as spam."

I'd like to setup a filter rule that says: if the subject line matches a
certain string, discard this email and never tell me about it.  However, I
don't this kind of rule to affect the way other moderation or filter rules
work.  That is, if I configure mailman to hold all messages from unknown
senders, then those not matching the spam filter rule I just described,
should be left in the hold queue.

Thanks,
Erez.



From ewilts at ewilts.org  Sat Oct  4 17:56:06 2003
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:56:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering by subject or other headers?
In-Reply-To: <200310041550.h94FoIS8014525@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>;
	from ezk@cs.sunysb.edu on Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 11:50:18AM -0400
References: <200310041550.h94FoIS8014525@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
Message-ID: <20031004105605.B2660@www.ewilts.org>

On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 11:50:18AM -0400, Erez Zadok wrote:
> Is there a way I can setup mail filters by subject or other headers (not
> just by from/recipient)?  Spammers often send spam faked as having been sent
> by my lists.  Then I get all sorts of bounces from the actual recipients
> such as "SpamAssassin Identified this message as spam."
> 
> I'd like to setup a filter rule that says: if the subject line matches a
> certain string, discard this email and never tell me about it.  However, I
> don't this kind of rule to affect the way other moderation or filter rules
> work.  That is, if I configure mailman to hold all messages from unknown
> senders, then those not matching the spam filter rule I just described,
> should be left in the hold queue.

I don't see anything that would stop you from processing the incoming
e-mails through procmail before they get to mailman.  Just change the
alias to point to valid user, process the e-mail via procmail and do
whatever you want with it, then bounce the result over to the actual
list processor if it passes your tests.  You could do your virus
scanning the same way (although I would think that a callout from the
MTA might be better).

I don't believe that what you're asking for should be a mailman
function.  Mailman should primarily be used to quickly get messages into
and out the lists - all per-message processing should be handled by
outside apps.

-- 
Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org



From atrick at prin.edu  Sat Oct  4 18:18:36 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:18:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Version of Python?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031004111703.02b2c540@mail.prin.edu>

The readme's for Mailman 2.1.3 say to use Python 2.2.1 (the latest version 
when this version of Mailman came out).  But now there's a Python 
2.3.  Does anyone know if Mailman would have a problem with an even later 
version of Python than existed when 2.1.3 was put together?  Or should I go 
with Python 2.2.1 to be safe?

Thx,

Allan




From ezk at cs.sunysb.edu  Sat Oct  4 19:30:03 2003
From: ezk at cs.sunysb.edu (Erez Zadok)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:30:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering by subject or other headers? 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 04 Oct 2003 10:56:06 CDT."
	<20031004105605.B2660@www.ewilts.org> 
Message-ID: <200310041730.h94HU3D6015826@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>

In message <20031004105605.B2660 at www.ewilts.org>, Ed Wilts writes:
[...]
> I don't see anything that would stop you from processing the incoming
> e-mails through procmail before they get to mailman.  Just change the
> alias to point to valid user, process the e-mail via procmail and do
> whatever you want with it, then bounce the result over to the actual
> list processor if it passes your tests.  You could do your virus
> scanning the same way (although I would think that a callout from the
> MTA might be better).
> 
> I don't believe that what you're asking for should be a mailman
> function.  Mailman should primarily be used to quickly get messages into
> and out the lists - all per-message processing should be handled by
> outside apps.

Thanks Ed.  It still doesn't answer my question of whether it is possible
for mailman to filter based on regexp matches on any header.

Yes, of course I could filter my list's mail before it goes to mailman.
First, this requires me to mix its support with other tools such as
procmail.  It might also make things tricker: how do I prevent direct access
to the list's address if someone finds it?  (security by obscurity doesn't
work in the long run.)  And I'll have to ensure that when the mail reaches
the list, the headers haven't been munged so much so as to make it difficult
to figure out who send that mail and from where.

I disagree with you, however, that it is not the place of Mailman to do such
filtering.  If that would have been the design philosophy for Mailman, then
it shouldn't have any filtering based on sender addresses and such.  As it
stands, Mailman has gotten to do more and more filtering to address spam and
such.  I'd like to see that trend continued.

What I'm asking for is not unreasonable.  I'm not asking for Mailman to
natively support things like SpamAssassin and MIME-Defang, but I do want it
to have a simple way of matching regexp's against any header.  Then I have a
more powerful and extensible mechanism for filtering based on any header,
and at that point it'd be easier for me to filter flexibly.  Imagine that I
feed all mailman list messages first via spamassassin's "spamc" tool, just
to get it to add the X-Spam-Level header.  I'd love to write a Mailman rule
that will ignore all mail if x-spam-level matches '******' or such.

Cheers,
Erez.



From ben at videonetwork.org  Sat Oct  4 19:44:54 2003
From: ben at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards)
Date: 04 Oct 2003 18:44:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: List Archive Link broken / not working
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031003121407.01e68d48@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <E1A5SNJ-0004qy-Mp@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031003121407.01e68d48@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <1065289494.634.110.camel@red>

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 18:38, Paul H Byerly wrote:
> you wrote:
> > I am using Mailman 2.1.2.  All the lists I have the Archive link
> > takes
> > me to a link link http://lists.serverone.co.uk/pipermail/bfm/ and I
> > get
> > the error 'The requested URL /pipermail/bfm/ was not found on this
> > server.'
> 
> 
>      The change in server name might be an issue, but the problem is
> that it's looking for a "pipermail" directory rather than in the
> "private" directory.
> 
>      The archive you are looking for is at
> <http://lists.serverone.co.uk/mailman/private/bfm>, which is where it
> should be.  The link on
> <http://lists.serverone.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bfm> should be created
> by listinfo.html with the code:
>  <MM-Archive><MM-List-Name>Archives</MM-Archive>
> 
>     <MM-List-Name> is also used to generate the title in the blue bar,
> but that shows as "Bfm --" on your page..  Clearly you have made
> modifications.  Is the code to create the link correct?  
>      I would back up your listinfo.html and copy over with the
> original in the templates directory.  If that works, go from there.

Actually no, I haven't changed the pages.  When I first run into
problems I deleted and re-created the list.  The code is below for
reference.

Ben

<!-- $Revision: 2.4 $ -->
<HTML>
  <HEAD>
    <TITLE><MM-List-Name> Info Page</TITLE>
  
  </HEAD>
  <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">

    <P>
      <TABLE COLS="1" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="4" CELLPADDING="5">

	<TR>
	  <TD COLSPAN="2" WIDTH="100%" BGCOLOR="#99CCFF" ALIGN="CENTER">
	    <B><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE="+1"><MM-List-Name> --
	<MM-List-Description></FONT></B>
	  </TD>
	</TR>

	<tr>
	    <td colspan="2">
	      <p>&nbsp;
	    </td>
	  </tr>
	  <tr>

	    <TD COLSPAN="1" WIDTH="100%" BGCOLOR="#FFF0D0">
	      <B><FONT COLOR="#000000">About <MM-List-Name></FONT></B>
	    </TD>
            <TD COLSPAN="1" WIDTH="100%" BGCOLOR="#FFF0D0">
              <MM-lang-form-start><MM-displang-box> <MM-list-langs>
              <MM-form-end>
    <MM-Subscribe-Form-Start>
            </TD>
	  </TR>
	    <tr>
	      <td colspan="2">
		<P><MM-List-Info></P>
	  <p> To see the collection of prior postings to the list,
	      visit the <MM-Archive><MM-List-Name>
		  Archives</MM-Archive>.
	      <MM-Restricted-List-Message>
	  </p>
	</TD>
      </TR>
      <TR>
	<TD COLSPAN="2" WIDTH="100%" BGCOLOR="#FFF0D0">
	  <B><FONT COLOR="#000000">Using <MM-List-Name></FONT></B>
	</TD>
      </TR>
      <tr>
	<td colspan="2">
	  To post a message to all the list members, send email to
	  <A HREF="mailto:<MM-Posting-Addr>"><MM-Posting-Addr></A>.

	  <p>You can subscribe to the list, or change your existing
	    subscription, in the sections below.
	</td>
      </tr>
      <TR>
	<TD COLSPAN="2" WIDTH="100%" BGCOLOR="#FFF0D0">
	  <B><FONT COLOR="#000000">Subscribing to <MM-List-Name></FONT></B>
	</TD>
      </TR>
      <tr>
	<td colspan="2">
	  <P>
	    Subscribe to <MM-List-Name> by filling out the following
	      form.
	  <MM-List-Subscription-Msg>
	  <ul>
	      <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="2" CELLPADDING="2"
		WIDTH="70%" HEIGHT= "112">
		<TR>
		  <TD BGCOLOR="#dddddd" WIDTH="55%">Your email address:</TD>
		  <TD WIDTH="33%"><MM-Subscribe-Box>
	</TD>
	<TD WIDTH="12%">&nbsp;</TD></TR>
      <tr>
        <td bgcolor="#dddddd" width="55%">Your name (optional):</td>
        <td width="33%"><mm-fullname-box></td>
	<TD WIDTH="12%">&nbsp;</TD></TR>
      <TR>
	<TD COLSPAN="3"><FONT SIZE=-1>You may enter a
	    privacy password below. This provides only mild security,
	    but should prevent others from messing with your
	    subscription.  <b>Do not use a valuable password</b> as
	    it will occasionally be emailed back to you in cleartext.

            <p>If you choose not to enter a password, one will be
            automatically generated for you, and it will be sent to
            you once you've confirmed your subscription.  You can
            always request a mail-back of your password when you edit
            your personal options.
	    <MM-Reminder>
	</TD>
      </TR>  
      <TR>
	<TD BGCOLOR="#dddddd">Pick a password:</TD>
	<TD><MM-New-Password-Box></TD>
	<TD>&nbsp;</TD></TR>
      <TR> 
	<TD BGCOLOR="#dddddd">Reenter password to confirm:</TD>
	<TD><MM-Confirm-Password></TD>
	<TD>&nbsp; </TD></TR>
      <tr>
        <TD BGCOLOR="#dddddd">Which language do you prefer to display
your messages?</TD> 
        <TD> <MM-list-langs></TD>
        <TD>&nbsp; </TD></TR>
      <mm-digest-question-start>
      <tr>
	<td>Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily
	  digest?
	  </td>
	<td><MM-Undigest-Radio-Button> No
	    <MM-Digest-Radio-Button>  Yes
	</TD>
      </tr>
      <mm-digest-question-end>
      <tr>
	<td colspan="3">
	  <center><MM-Subscribe-Button></P></center>
    </TABLE>
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From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Sat Oct  4 20:30:22 2003
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:30:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron error
Message-ID: <D0A83938-F698-11D7-99AD-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>

MM 2.1.3, Postfix, OS X

I just received this error message:

> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
>     main()
>   File "cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
>     mlist.send_digest_now()
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in 
> send_digest_now
>     ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in 
> send_digests
>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 373, in 
> send_i18n_digests
>     rfc1153msg.set_payload(plainmsg.getvalue(), lcset)
>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 224, in 
> set_payload
>     self.set_charset(charset)
>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 262, in 
> set_charset
>     cte(self)
>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Encoders.py", line 88, in 
> encode_7or8bit
>     charset = msg.get_charset().output_charset.lower()
> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'lower'

any ideas?

DP




From paul at thcwd.com  Sat Oct  4 20:41:41 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:41:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Internal vs. external mail addresses
In-Reply-To: <E1A5cpq-0004Yl-2g@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A5cpq-0004Yl-2g@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031004125059.01ec8148@mail.thcwd.com>

Paul Smith wrote:
>I have some internal mailing lists that are trying to be closed (only
>members can post without moderator approval).
>
>Unfortunately, we have different email addresses for internal
>vs. external mail, and our Exchange (:-/) server rewrites our addresses
>for mail we send internally to be from the internal address, even if we
>have a From: line etc. using the external address.
>
>So, when people send mail to the list part of the time it looks like it
>comes from their external address, and part of the time it looks like it
>comes from their internal address.  When the mail looks like it comes
>from the "other" address and it's addressed to a closed list, the moder
>has to approve it (or they have to allow every user's alternate address
>individually).  This is a major pain!
>
>
>I'm wondering if there's any capability in Mailman to have it understand
>that two different mail domains are really equivalent, so that
>psmith at foobar.com is the same as psmith at lists.foo.bar.com  (for
>example)?

      When the moderator approves such a message s/he can also set the 
"other" address to be accepted even though it's not a member.  When 
approving from the web interface, check the check box that says "Add 
name at domain.tld to a sender filter" and click the "Accepts" radio 
button.  That is the last time that address will need to be approved.

<>< Paul


<>< Paul 




From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Sat Oct  4 20:53:24 2003
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:53:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron error
In-Reply-To: <D0A83938-F698-11D7-99AD-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <0888B834-F69C-11D7-99AD-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>

On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 01:30  PM, Dan Phillips wrote:
> MM 2.1.3, Postfix, OS X
>
> I just received this error message:
>
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
>>     main()
>>   File "cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
>>     mlist.send_digest_now()
>>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in 
>> send_digest_now
>>     ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
>>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in 
>> send_digests
>>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 373, in 
>> send_i18n_digests
>>     rfc1153msg.set_payload(plainmsg.getvalue(), lcset)
>>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 224, in 
>> set_payload
>>     self.set_charset(charset)
>>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 262, in 
>> set_charset
>>     cte(self)
>>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Encoders.py", line 88, in 
>> encode_7or8bit
>>     charset = msg.get_charset().output_charset.lower()
>> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'lower'
>
> any ideas?
>

To answer my own question:

A quick review of the digest.mbox file of one of my lists showed a 
French subscriber having signed his name Fran?ois. I changed the ? to c 
and the digest went out just fine. His header showed content: 
text/plain, charset us ascii. Is there any way to avoid that problem in 
the future?




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sat Oct  4 21:02:35 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:02:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering by subject or other headers?
In-Reply-To: <200310041550.h94FoIS8014525@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
References: <200310041550.h94FoIS8014525@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
Message-ID: <20031004190235.GS18903@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Erez Zadok wrote:
> I'd like to setup a filter rule that says: if the subject line
> matches a certain string, discard this email and never tell me about
> it.  However, I don't this kind of rule to affect the way other
> moderation or filter rules work.  That is, if I configure mailman to
> hold all messages from unknown senders, then those not matching the
> spam filter rule I just described, should be left in the hold queue.

Sounds like you're describing the bounce_matching_headers option, from
Privacy Options -> Spam Filters, except that you want the default
action to be discard instead of hold.  I don't believe this is
possible at the moment, but it seems like it would be a simple thing
to add.  You could either add another option to the Spam Filters page,
perhaps discard_matching_headers, or just an option that toggled
whether posts matching bounce_matching_headers were held or discarded.

That would be handy to have a on a list by list basis, but there is a
site-wide configuration option, KNOWN_SPAMMERS, that you can set in
mm_cfg.py which looks to do exactly what you want.  You might want to
give that a try.  One of the comments in the SpamDetect.py file where
this spam filtering is done says "This needs to be made more
configurable and robust."  So it's on the list of things that will
happen when someone makes time to code it in.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Revolution, n.:
    In politics, an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment.
        -- Ambrose Bierce

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From ezk at cs.sunysb.edu  Sat Oct  4 21:30:02 2003
From: ezk at cs.sunysb.edu (Erez Zadok)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:30:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering by subject or other headers? 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:02:35 EDT."
	<20031004190235.GS18903@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> 
Message-ID: <200310041930.h94JU2hD018554@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>

In message <20031004190235.GS18903 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>, Todd writes:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Erez Zadok wrote:
> > I'd like to setup a filter rule that says: if the subject line
> > matches a certain string, discard this email and never tell me about
> > it.  However, I don't this kind of rule to affect the way other
> > moderation or filter rules work.  That is, if I configure mailman to
> > hold all messages from unknown senders, then those not matching the
> > spam filter rule I just described, should be left in the hold queue.
> 
> Sounds like you're describing the bounce_matching_headers option, from
> Privacy Options -> Spam Filters, except that you want the default
> action to be discard instead of hold.  I don't believe this is
> possible at the moment, but it seems like it would be a simple thing
> to add.  You could either add another option to the Spam Filters page,
> perhaps discard_matching_headers, or just an option that toggled
> whether posts matching bounce_matching_headers were held or discarded.
> 
> That would be handy to have a on a list by list basis, but there is a
> site-wide configuration option, KNOWN_SPAMMERS, that you can set in
> mm_cfg.py which looks to do exactly what you want.  You might want to
> give that a try.  One of the comments in the SpamDetect.py file where
> this spam filtering is done says "This needs to be made more
> configurable and robust."  So it's on the list of things that will
> happen when someone makes time to code it in.
> 
> - -- 
> Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp

Todd,

Yes!  That's exactly it.  Right now all I can do is "hold" mails that match
certain headers.  I like that option for certain cases, but I'd like another
(independent) option to completely discard mails that match certain headers.
And while we're at it, why only hold or discard?  Why not offer the same
sets of options available in other places: hold, discard, forward to
someone, etc.

I don't understand something in your mail, however.  You say "you could
either add..." and such, implying that _I_ could do it myself?  Do you mean
that there is a facility for this already in mailman?  Or did you mean that
I could always hack the source and add the feature I wanted?  If you meant
the latter, then I'd prefer if someone more experienced in Python and
Mailman's code do it (what'll take me many hours, Barry can probably do in
his sleep, with _both_ hands tied behind his back. :-)

Erez.



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sat Oct  4 21:54:34 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:54:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering by subject or other headers?
In-Reply-To: <200310041930.h94JU2hD018554@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
References: <20031004190235.GS18903@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	<200310041930.h94JU2hD018554@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
Message-ID: <20031004195434.GT18903@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Erez Zadok wrote:
> Yes!  That's exactly it.  Right now all I can do is "hold" mails
> that match certain headers.  I like that option for certain cases,
> but I'd like another (independent) option to completely discard
> mails that match certain headers.

I see.  I think your best bet is to use the KNOWN_SPAMMERS setting
then.  It's either that or hack mailman yourself (or convince someone
else to do it).

> And while we're at it, why only hold or discard?  Why not offer the
> same sets of options available in other places: hold, discard,
> forward to someone, etc.

True, if it was being added, might as well have the behave as similar
features elsewhere in mailman.

> I don't understand something in your mail, however.  You say "you
> could either add..." and such, implying that _I_ could do it myself?

Sure, why not?  :)

> Do you mean that there is a facility for this already in mailman?
> Or did you mean that I could always hack the source and add the
> feature I wanted?

Yeah, I meant the latter.

> If you meant the latter, then I'd prefer if someone more experienced
> in Python and Mailman's code do it

Bah!  :)

The mailman code is pretty easy to follow, assuming you have a basic
knowledge of coding in general.  I've hacked mailman to do little
things here and there and I'd still say I don't know python.  I'd be
at a loss to sit down and write a decent python program to do
anything, but tweaking something that's already close to what I want
seems rather simple.

> (what'll take me many hours, Barry can probably do in his sleep,
> with _both_ hands tied behind his back.  :-)

Maybe so, you're assuming though that a) Barry or one of the other
developers will think this feature request is important enough to work
on before many others; and b) that Barry sleeps at all.  ;-)

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the
matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the boot-maker.
    -- Mikhail Bakunin

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Oct  5 01:25:17 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 04 Oct 2003 19:25:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering by subject or other headers?
In-Reply-To: <200310041930.h94JU2hD018554@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
References: <200310041930.h94JU2hD018554@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
Message-ID: <1065309916.2604.20.camel@Anncons4>

On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 15:30, Erez Zadok wrote:
> In message <20031004190235.GS18903 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>, Todd writes:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > Erez Zadok wrote:
> > > I'd like to setup a filter rule that says: if the subject line
> > > matches a certain string, discard this email and never tell me about
> > > it.  However, I don't this kind of rule to affect the way other
> > > moderation or filter rules work.  That is, if I configure mailman to
> > > hold all messages from unknown senders, then those not matching the
> > > spam filter rule I just described, should be left in the hold queue.
> > 
> > Sounds like you're describing the bounce_matching_headers option, from
> > Privacy Options -> Spam Filters, except that you want the default
> > action to be discard instead of hold.  I don't believe this is
> > possible at the moment, but it seems like it would be a simple thing
> > to add.  You could either add another option to the Spam Filters page,
> > perhaps discard_matching_headers, or just an option that toggled
> > whether posts matching bounce_matching_headers were held or discarded.
> > 
> > That would be handy to have a on a list by list basis, but there is a
> > site-wide configuration option, KNOWN_SPAMMERS, that you can set in
> > mm_cfg.py which looks to do exactly what you want.  You might want to
> > give that a try.  One of the comments in the SpamDetect.py file where
> > this spam filtering is done says "This needs to be made more
> > configurable and robust."  So it's on the list of things that will
> > happen when someone makes time to code it in.
> > 
> > - -- 
> > Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
> 
> Todd,
> 
> Yes!  That's exactly it.  Right now all I can do is "hold" mails that match
> certain headers.  I like that option for certain cases, but I'd like another
> (independent) option to completely discard mails that match certain headers.
> And while we're at it, why only hold or discard?  Why not offer the same
> sets of options available in other places: hold, discard, forward to
> someone, etc.
> 
> I don't understand something in your mail, however.  You say "you could
> either add..." and such, implying that _I_ could do it myself?  Do you mean
> that there is a facility for this already in mailman?  Or did you mean that
> I could always hack the source and add the feature I wanted?  If you meant
> the latter, then I'd prefer if someone more experienced in Python and
> Mailman's code do it (what'll take me many hours, Barry can probably do in
> his sleep, with _both_ hands tied behind his back. :-)
> 
> Erez.
> 
If you are simply looking at the subject line, then Procmail will do
this very easily.
  man procmailex




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Oct  5 01:33:44 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 04 Oct 2003 19:33:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering by subject or other headers?
In-Reply-To: <1065309916.2604.20.camel@Anncons4>
References: <200310041930.h94JU2hD018554@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
	<1065309916.2604.20.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <1065310423.2604.23.camel@Anncons4>

On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 19:25, Jon Carnes wrote:

> > 
> If you are simply looking at the subject line, then Procmail will do
> this very easily.
>   man procmailex
> 
Opps!  I should have read the whole thread first.
<Emily Latella> Sorry. Never mind! </EL>

Jon Carnes




From paul at thcwd.com  Sun Oct  5 03:04:09 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:04:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default conceal from subscriber list setting
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031004195807.01f01af0@mail.themarriagebed.com>


      I'd like to be able to set a list so the default setting for "Conceal 
yourself from subscriber list?" is "Yes" rather than no.  Don't see an 
option for this in Defaults.py.

<>< Paul




From ges+lists at wingfoot.org  Sun Oct  5 05:15:13 2003
From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 23:15:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Host question....
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031004230202.02182788@mail.wingfoot.org>

Ok.. I was wondering something... when the monthly email reminders come out 
from Mailman, they're sent from mailman-owner at lists.wingfoot.org

When people on my virtual hosts have monthly email reminders, will they 
come from mailman-owner at theirdomain or the default domain? Can there be a 
separate mailman list for each domain?

Just curious..

Thanks,
Glenn

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From jim at jimdrash.com  Sun Oct  5 06:15:12 2003
From: jim at jimdrash.com (Jim Drash)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:15:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rebuilding message archive
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031003220257.036ea120@mail.prin.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031003220257.036ea120@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <3F7F9AD0.5050205@jimdrash.com>

Use the "--wipe" option

Allan Trick wrote:

> I need to clean up a private archive, and followed the instructions 
> someone posted in a previous thread here:  edited the mbox file to 
> remove the messages not wanted in the archive, deleted the html files 
> in the <listname>/2003 directory, and then ran ./arch <listname>.
>
> It recreates the html files (except for the linked 
> index.html->thread.html that used to be there), but there are still 
> references to deleted messages on the Web page for the archive.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Allan
>
>
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> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
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> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From andy at nospam.com  Sun Oct  5 09:34:57 2003
From: andy at nospam.com (Andy Sy)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 15:34:57 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving individual messages from raw Mailman
	mboxes via http
Message-ID: <3F7FC9A1.4090209@nospam.com>

I am thinking of adapting a collapsible, outlinable, no-page
refresh, on-demand message-body load browser-based message
thread interface I made (see http://www.neotitans.com/page.gif)
to work with GNU Mailman (among other things) lists.

Ideally, I would like it to function as a 'www-interface
gateway' that works with all existing Mailman raw archives.
 From what I've been researching, one would need some kind of
index into the raw mbox file, either a mail summary file format
or a database which would contain file seek pointers into
the raw mbox.

It would then use a ranged HTTP request to retrieve only
the particular message body it needs to display (would this
work?). Several issues arise which I'd be glad to have input
on from the experts on this list:


I. Which mbox index / mail summary file format to use?

The Mozilla .msf format looks like a strong candidate.
Does anyone have other suggestions?  Does Mailman maintain
such a mail summary file and is it publicly accessible
by default?


II. index / mail summary file performance and maintenance

Mozilla .msf files can be regenerated on the fly but
for a 100MB mailbox (Python-list's is 600MB+!), it already takes
fairly long (a few minutes).  Assuming index file corruption is
very rare, then this should not be a real problem.


III. index / mail summary file hosting issues

If an index/mail summary file is not available by default, and
such a www-interface gateway were to work with no additional work
on the list manager's part, then the index/mail summary file would
have to be generated by the machine hosting the gateway instead.

- What then, would be the mechanics of the (constant) remote reindexing
that would need to be done as new messages come in?  Would it be possible
to just constantly poll the size of the raw mbox and if it has changed,
to just reindex using data starting from the last retrieved file position?

- How often do list admins compact/expunge their raw archive mboxes?

Everytime they do, afaik, it would require the index / mail summary file
to be regenerated.

- Is it possible, then, for the www-interface gateway to automatically sense
if the remotely hosted raw archive mbox has been expunged/compacted?

- Also, how would the www-interface gateway machine know when its index
/ mail summary file has been corrupted?


A second possible approach would be for the www-interface gateway machine
to maintain its own copy of the raw archive and constantly rsync it with
the one maintained by the list admin.  This will probably only be feasible
if Mailman list admins provide rsync access to the raw mailbox archive.

- Would adding rsync serving of the raw mailbox to Mailman be a good idea?
(If it was in Mailman, it is more likely to be enabled by default).



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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sun Oct  5 09:53:28 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 03:53:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default conceal from subscriber list setting
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031004195807.01f01af0@mail.themarriagebed.com>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031004195807.01f01af0@mail.themarriagebed.com>
Message-ID: <20031005075328.GC18903@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

Paul H Byerly wrote:
> I'd like to be able to set a list so the default setting for
> "Conceal yourself from subscriber list?" is "Yes" rather than no.
> Don't see an option for this in Defaults.py.

AFAIK, you need to set DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS.  To change the
default for concealing new members, you would subtract 16 from the
current setting (256 by default).  So, set

    DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS = 240

in mm_cfg.py and then all new lists will inherit this setting.  To
apply this to an existing list, I think you need a withlist script,
but I could be wrong (I don't know mailman that well and I've had more
than a few choice beverages so far tonight).

If you do find that a withlist script is required, as I did when
testing this, you might find the quickie I whipped up to be useful
(which I ripped off completely from fix_url.py).  I'll attach it, just
in case you want it.  The path to python might need adjusted, my local
mailman install is on a Red Hat 7.3 box, where python 2 is installed
as /usr/bin/python2.

This will change the setting to DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS.  If you
want to change a list to something else, pass the --options argument
to the script.  Note that there's absolutely no checking done on the
value you pass to this argument.

HTH (and more importantly, I hope it works),

-- 
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======================================================================
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I think that I think, therefore I think that I am.
        -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

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#! /usr/bin/python2
#
# Copyright (C) 2001,2002 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
# 
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
# 
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software 
# Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

"""Reset a list's new_member_options attribute to the default setting.

This script is intended to be run as a bin/withlist script, i.e.

% bin/withlist -l -r update_mem_opts listname [options]

Options:
    -o / --options
        Set new_member_options to the value given.  See the section on
	"Bitfield for user options" in Defaults.py for details.

        Without this option, the default web_page_url and host_name values
	are used.

    -v / --verbose
        Print what the script is doing.

If run standalone, it prints this help text and exits.
"""

import sys
import getopt

import paths
from Mailman import mm_cfg
from Mailman.i18n import _



def usage(code, msg=''):
    print _(__doc__.replace('%', '%%'))
    if msg:
        print msg
    sys.exit(code)



def update_mem_opts(mlist, *args):
    try:
        opts, args = getopt.getopt(args, 'o:v', ['options', 'verbose'])
    except getopt.error, msg:
        usage(1, msg)

    options = None
    verbose = 0
    for opt, arg in opts:
        if opt in ('-o', '--options'):
            options = arg
        elif opt in ('-v', '--verbose'):
            verbose = 1

    if options:
	new_member_options = options
    else:
	new_member_options = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS

    if verbose:
	print 'Setting new_member_options to %s' % new_member_options
    mlist.new_member_options = new_member_options

    if verbose:
	print _('Saving list')

    mlist.Save()
    mlist.Unlock()


if __name__ == '__main__':
    usage(0)
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From liste at publisher.de  Sun Oct  5 14:48:26 2003
From: liste at publisher.de (Ulrich Wisser)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:48:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix and virtual domain
Message-ID: <11615244018.20031005144826@publisher.de>

Hi,

could someone please point me to a step by step instruction
on how to install a mailman mailing list in a virtual domain
with postfix?

TIA

Ulrich




From bouhaddou at cnr.ac.ma  Thu Oct  2 11:43:11 2003
From: bouhaddou at cnr.ac.ma (bouhaddou)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:43:11 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem mailman
Message-ID: <3F7BF32F.9030604@cnr.ac.ma>

hello,
After having to create the list test and does all the possible aliases.  
I sent a message to the address test-request at XXXXXXXX, but I receive an 
error message in the file /var/log/maillog:  
"Oct. 2 09:21:26 agdal1 sendmail[31053 ]:  h929LPhD031051:  
"to=<test-request at XXXXXXX >, ctladdr=<fadis at XXXXXXXX > (60053/11), 
delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30405, 
relay=serveur.XXXXXXXXXX [ ZZZ.XXX.YYY.ZZZ ], dsn=5.3.5, stat=Local 
configuration error"
I inform you that I use mailman-2.0.8, Python 2.2.2 and redhat 9.0
thank you for your collaboartion and help.






From andy at nospam.com  Sat Oct  4 07:52:53 2003
From: andy at nospam.com (Andy Sy)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 13:52:53 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rsync'able Mailman archive
Message-ID: <3F7E6035.6040006@nospam.com>

For a huge list like http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/ (104MB),
being able to download the raw archive is a blessing.  For those
newsgroups which have (hallelujah) Mailman versions, this means
no more fiddling with infernal newsreader behaviour when it comes
to retrieving big newsgroups.

Just:

1. Fetch huge archive efficiently your favorite download client.
2. Drop the mbox format file into your mail client directory (like
Mozilla Mail)
3. voila!  A configurable, collapsible-threadable, searchable,
completely complete (yeah!) local version of the whole list.


PROBLEM
=======
is... how do you update your local mbox copy efficiently?  I,
can, for example, get a snapshot of the SDL archives as it
stands today, subscribe to the mailing list, and basically
ensure my local 'mirror' is both complete and up-to-date.

BUT... what if I want to stop subscribing for a while, and then
3 months down the road I want a complete version of the mailing
list again?  I would then have to download the (now larger)
full archive all over again.

The solution is to make the archive downloads rsync'able.
Which brings me to the topic of this post:


QUESTION 1
==========
Is making the archive rsync'able a responsibility of the
list administrator or... wouldn't it be better to build
such support in Mailman.  If rsync access were provided
by default and thus widely available, it would allow those
people who are OC about getting complete lists to save time
and avoid wasting gobs of bandwidth by loading and reloading
the full archive multiple times.

QUESTION 2
==========
Once I start subscribing to the list, my local mbox-format
copy of the list is now being updated locally and thus will
not be byte-for-byte identical to the Mailman archive.  If
I then rsync said mailbox with Mailman's, will the differences
then be 'repaired' efficiently (like rsync is supposed to do)?


A HACKISH WORKAROUND IN THE ABSENCE OF RSYNC SUPPORT
====================================================
Deliberately truncate your local mbox copy to a size smaller
than it was when you FIRST updated it locally (you have to
remember what its size was at that point in time), and then
resume copy transferring from that point.




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http://www.neotitans.com
Web and Software Development







From jjlasalle at comcast.net  Sat Oct  4 13:06:01 2003
From: jjlasalle at comcast.net (Jim LaSalle)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 07:06:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of lists
Message-ID: <3F7EA999.9020505@comcast.net>

Does mailman support nested lists? For example:  a school district may 
want a list serv for elementary, secondary and all teachers. It would be 
convenient to have an "allTeachers" list composed of the 
"elementaryTeachers" and "secondaryTeachers" list.  Syncing these 
"sublists" with the "mainlist" would be much easier than manually 
subscribing/unsubscribing from each list.





From paul at thcwd.com  Sun Oct  5 20:13:31 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 13:13:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default conceal from subscriber list
  setting
In-Reply-To: <20031005073638.GB18903@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031004195807.01f01af0@mail.themarriagebed.com>
	<20031005073638.GB18903@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031005131101.01edfeb8@mail.thcwd.com>

Todd wrote:
>Paul H Byerly wrote:
> > I'd like to be able to set a list so the default setting for
> > "Conceal yourself from subscriber list?" is "Yes" rather than no.
> > Don't see an option for this in Defaults.py.
>
>AFAIK, you need to set DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS.  To change the
>default for concealing new members, you would subtract 16 from the
>current setting (256 by default).  So, set
>
>     DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS = 240

      Okay, I should have been able to find that.

>in mm_cfg.py and then all new lists will inherit this setting.  To
>apply this to an existing list, I think you need a withlist script,
>but I could be wrong (I don't know mailman that well and I've had more
>than a few choice beverages so far tonight).
>
>If you do find that a withlist script is required, as I did when
>testing this, you might find the quickie I whipped up to be useful
>(which I ripped off completely from fix_url.py).  I'll attach it, just
>in case you want it.  The path to python might need adjusted, my local
>mailman install is on a Red Hat 7.3 box, where python 2 is installed
>as /usr/bin/python2.
>
>This will change the setting to DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS.  If you
>want to change a list to something else, pass the --options argument
>to the script.  Note that there's absolutely no checking done on the
>value you pass to this argument.
>
>HTH (and more importantly, I hope it works),

      Worked great, thanks.  Have a choice beverage on me.  BTW, love the 
sig file.


<>< Paul 




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 00:53:53 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 05 Oct 2003 18:53:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of lists
In-Reply-To: <3F7EA999.9020505@comcast.net>
References: <3F7EA999.9020505@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1065394433.2601.21.camel@Anncons4>

On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 07:06, Jim LaSalle wrote:
> Does mailman support nested lists? For example:  a school district may 
> want a list serv for elementary, secondary and all teachers. It would be 
> convenient to have an "allTeachers" list composed of the 
> "elementaryTeachers" and "secondaryTeachers" list.  Syncing these 
> "sublists" with the "mainlist" would be much easier than manually 
> subscribing/unsubscribing from each list.
> 
That's called an umbrella list, and it's only half-way supported.  Look
up Umbrella lists in the FAQ.

By-the-way, I use a script to create/update various List-of-lists.  I
dump each list out into one big text file (just the email addresses
please!), then I use ~mailman/bin/sync_members to create or update the
list of users for the *uber* list.  Works a treat, and can't be beat!

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From atrick at prin.edu  Mon Oct  6 04:02:32 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:02:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message on upgrade
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031005205635.035f3ec0@mail.prin.edu>

Anyone know what this means?


Mailman CGI error!!!
The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being 
stored in your syslog:

Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the CGI
wrapper script to be executed as group "www", but
the system's web server executed the CGI script as
group "apache".  Try tweaking the web server to run the
script as group "www", or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=apache'.


We're upgrading Mailman and having a bit of trouble as noted above when 
trying to look at the admin page.

Allan




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon Oct  6 04:15:40 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:15:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message on upgrade
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031005205635.035f3ec0@mail.prin.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031005205635.035f3ec0@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <20031006021540.GD2910@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Allan Trick wrote:
> Anyone know what this means?
> 
> 
> Mailman CGI error!!!
> The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being 
> stored in your syslog:
> 
> Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the CGI
> wrapper script to be executed as group "www", but
> the system's web server executed the CGI script as
> group "apache".  Try tweaking the web server to run the
> script as group "www", or re-run configure,
> providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=apache'.

Well, it is in some strange, hard to decipher language :-), but I think
it's saying that you need to re-run the configure script with the
option `--with-cgi-gid=apache' set.

If you're upgrading from RPMS then bitch to your vendor or the RPM
packager.

If you are building from source yourself, re-read the INSTALL file
carefully and note the big bold warning about properly setting the
with-cgi-gid and with-mail-gid options.  This is also answered in FAQ
file that ships with mailman.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Remember the first rule of gunfighting..."Have a gun."
    -- Jeff Cooper, 1991

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From atrick at prin.edu  Mon Oct  6 05:08:19 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 22:08:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message on upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20031006021540.GD2910@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031005205635.035f3ec0@mail.prin.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20031005205635.035f3ec0@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031005220628.00afbf38@mail.prin.edu>

At 09:15 PM 10/5/2003, Todd wrote:

> > Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the CGI
> > wrapper script to be executed as group "www", but
> > the system's web server executed the CGI script as
> > group "apache".  Try tweaking the web server to run the
> > script as group "www", or re-run configure,
> > providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=apache'.
>
>Well, it is in some strange, hard to decipher language :-), but I think 
>it's saying that you need to re-run the configure script with the option 
>`--with-cgi-gid=apache' set.

What we missed was the name of the Mailman script ("configure").  We read 
right over that and assumed it was talking about needed to reconfigure 
apache ("try tweaking the web server").  So your reply pointed out our 
error, and everything's working great now!

Thanks,

Allan




From atrick at prin.edu  Mon Oct  6 05:30:17 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 22:30:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscriptions w/names
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031005222757.00b06798@mail.prin.edu>

Sorry to be bombarding this list with so many questions lately!  I promise 
I'll pipe down pretty soon. :-)

Now that I've got 2.1.3 installed, I have that empty name field on every 
record since it didn't exist in the previous version.  My lists can all be 
reloaded, but I'm not sure what format the file should be that I add them 
with should be in.  Where is this documented?  I'm assuming it's just 
tab-delimited, but thought I'd check before I futz around with it.

Thanks!

Allan




From rkpn at british-genealogy.com  Mon Oct  6 05:34:41 2003
From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 04:34:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking a subscriber?
Message-ID: <XH3aq+lRLOg$EA3y@neep.demon.co.uk>

Is there any way to globally prevent a troublesome person from 
subscribing to *any* mailing list? (We have over a hundred lists 
running).

Thanks
Rod



From lj at mandala-designs.com  Mon Oct  6 06:29:18 2003
From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs  )
Date: Mon,  6 Oct 2003 00:29:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All recipients refused
Message-ID: <200310060029.AA202572234@mandala-designs.com>

I just installed Mailman 2.1.3 on a FreeBSD system, migrating from 2.1.1 on RH Linux.
Apparently I have done something wrong.  Installation went well, check_perms reports no problems however although a small test list delivers fine, when I try to send to my converted (6500 member list) list I see that postfix accepts the message and passes it to the mailman wrapper but then nothing happens.  A check of the mailman log directory reports the following.

post:
Oct 06 00:13:35 2003 (26522) post to kenwilber from ljacobs at shambhala.com, size=2239, message-id=<200310052353.AA109249086 at kalapa.shambhala.com>, 6526 failures

qrunner:
looks normal.

smtp:
Oct 06 00:23:40 2003 (26522) All recipients refused: Connection unexpectedly closed

smtp-failure:
Oct 06 00:26:18 2003 (26522) delivery to tyonashiro at motivate.com.ph failed with code -1: ignore
Oct 06 00:26:18 2003 (26522) delivery to gaynell at roy-rogers.com failed with code -1: ignore
Oct 06 00:26:18 2003 (26522) delivery to iipsgp at clara.net failed with code -1: ignore
...

subscribe:
looks normal.

All my tests lists are working fine so I am puzzled by this failure.

FreeBSD 4.7
Postfix 2.0.14
Mailman 2.1.3

--Leonard Jacobs 

 
________________________________________________________________
Sent via the WebMessaging system at mandala-designs.com


 
                   
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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon Oct  6 07:53:36 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 01:53:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default conceal from subscriber list setting
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031005131101.01edfeb8@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031004195807.01f01af0@mail.themarriagebed.com>
	<20031005073638.GB18903@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031005131101.01edfeb8@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <20031006055336.GG2910@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Paul H Byerly wrote:
> Todd wrote:
[...]
>>    DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS = 240
>
>      Okay, I should have been able to find that.

Things always stick out more *after* you ask, huh?  ;-)

> Worked great, thanks.  Have a choice beverage on me.

Well, I found one nice problem with it today, that shows how little I
know about python.  If you actually used the -o option to pass in the
value, your list will be broken.  I didn't set the option as an
integer so it was getting written to the config.pck file as a string.
Ooops, that was smart of me.  Change

    options = arg
to

    options = int(arg)

if you're keeping that script around.  And be careful that there's not
anything else horridly broken about it.

> BTW, love the sig file.

Thanks, it's lovingly (an unapologetically) ripped off from many good
sources.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Many people lose their tempers merely by seeing you keep yours.

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From bonis at bonis.de  Mon Oct  6 12:26:26 2003
From: bonis at bonis.de (Wim Bonis)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:26:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner with 98% load
Message-ID: <E1A6SfV-0005mO-RG@imap.ipipip.de>

Hello List,

I just upgrades my Server to mailman 2.1.3, and it basicly works, but some
messages trigger a 98% load of qrunner.

The messages are in qfiles/out and get renamed more than once in a second.
There is no log entry in logs or syslog.

I already read the archives about the "qrunner with over 90% CPU" subject.
But in that thread the people blame the MTA reporting a 451. I straced and
tcpdumped the qrunner, and it does not try to contact the MTA.

What else can i try to get more useful debugging output?

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From admin2 at enabled.com  Mon Oct  6 14:11:16 2003
From: admin2 at enabled.com (Noah)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 04:11:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list issue
Message-ID: <20031006120753.M52@enabled.com>

FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE
OWM 2.1.1


okay mailman is holding a list moderator post. 
their address is added to the moderator email list.  their email addr is a
member of the list and their moderator bit is unset.

here is the mailman vette error:

held: Message has implicit destination


what can I do about this so the message is no longer held?


- Noah




From andy at nospam.com  Mon Oct  6 15:47:50 2003
From: andy at nospam.com (Andy Sy)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:47:50 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A www interface to Mailman mbox archives
Message-ID: <3F817286.2070301@nospam.com>

Hi all, I would like to interface a DHTML-based, collapsible
threaded message interface I've developed to GNU Mailman
lists.

THe key technique relies on building an index (ala mail summary
files) of the raw mbox and retrieving messages using an HTTP ranged
request from it on an as-needed basis.

Question for list admins out there is:

Do you find yourselves expunging / compacting the raw mbox?  And
if so, how often?

Once I index the raw mbox, can I count on the present messages in
it to remain in the same positions and only have to check / index
on the new messages appended to the end?


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messages and I'm sick of removing CCs each time I do reply-all to a
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 16:08:32 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:08:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list issue
In-Reply-To: <20031006120753.M52@enabled.com>
Message-ID: <9135909B-F806-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 01:11  pm, Noah wrote:

> FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE
> OWM 2.1.1
>
>
> okay mailman is holding a list moderator post.
> their address is added to the moderator email list.  their email addr 
> is a
> member of the list and their moderator bit is unset.
>
> here is the mailman vette error:
>
> held: Message has implicit destination
>

This may be because the list's email address does not appear in the To: 
or Cc: header of the message. If so, it may have nothing to do with who 
is sending the message.

The first two options on the Privacy->Recipient filters web admin GUI 
page for the list may help you deal with this issue.

This issue sometimes arises when the mail address of the list concerned 
is subscribed to another list.

>
> what can I do about this so the message is no longer held?
>
>
> - Noah
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From khera at kcilink.com  Mon Oct  6 16:34:26 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:34:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not allowing mass-subscription (web interface)
In-Reply-To: <20031003223117.GC27747@hq.newdream.net>
References: <20031003223117.GC27747@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <16257.32114.738014.132149@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "WY" == Will Yardley <william+mm at hq.newdream.net> writes:

WY> Lastly, is there a way to get Mailman to record information about
WY> confirmation of a subscription (if a link was clicked, from what IP; if
WY> via an email message, the headers of the message)? Is there a way to

I've got some consulting money sitting about for someone to write such
a feature into Mailman -- keeping record of the confirmation request
and the confirmation response (either email or clickthrough data).

Please contact me offlist if interested.

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Vivek Khera, Ph.D.                Khera Communications, Inc.
Internet: khera at kciLink.com       Rockville, MD       +1-240-453-8497
AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera   http://www.khera.org/~vivek/



From ewilts at ewilts.org  Mon Oct  6 16:41:07 2003
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:41:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not allowing mass-subscription (web interface)
In-Reply-To: <16257.32114.738014.132149@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
References: <20031003223117.GC27747@hq.newdream.net>
	<16257.32114.738014.132149@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
Message-ID: <20031006144107.GA23279@www.ewilts.org>

On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:34:26AM -0400, Vivek Khera wrote:
> >>>>> "WY" == Will Yardley <william+mm at hq.newdream.net> writes:
> 
> WY> Lastly, is there a way to get Mailman to record information about
> WY> confirmation of a subscription (if a link was clicked, from what IP; if
> WY> via an email message, the headers of the message)? Is there a way to
> 
> I've got some consulting money sitting about for someone to write such
> a feature into Mailman -- keeping record of the confirmation request
> and the confirmation response (either email or clickthrough data).

Given the new anti-spam law coming into California with the burden of
proof being on the e-mail sender that the user has really opted in, I
don't see how we can avoid having this feature in Mailman.  Some of run
commercial mailing lists and it will be imperative for us to be able to
demonstrate that the user really opted in.

-- 
Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org



From sysmda at zim.gsu.edu  Mon Oct  6 17:17:56 2003
From: sysmda at zim.gsu.edu (Mike Alberghini)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:17:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not sending mail problem
Message-ID: <20031006111756.A16173@zim.gsu.edu>

Last week I upgraded mailman from 2.1.1 to 2.1.3.  Over the weekend mailman
apparently stopped sending mail.  Sunday night it just stopped posting.
I have spent the morning fiddling around with it and here is what I know:

1.  almost 22,000 have built up in mailman/qfiles/in
2.  moving all of these out allowed mail to start flowing again
3.  my error log has countless 'lost data files for filebase' entries
4.  if I move some of the old qfiles back into mailman/qfiles/in, they
    don't get sent.
    
Can anyone give me an idea of how to trace down the cause of this problem?
Is there any way to get the 22,000 old qfiles sent?

-- 
Michael Alberghini
Software Systems Engineer
Georgia State University
mike at gsu.edu



From khera at kcilink.com  Mon Oct  6 17:31:57 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:31:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not allowing mass-subscription (web interface)
In-Reply-To: <20031006144107.GA23279@www.ewilts.org>
References: <20031003223117.GC27747@hq.newdream.net>
	<16257.32114.738014.132149@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
	<20031006144107.GA23279@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <16257.35565.678234.269519@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "EW" == Ed Wilts <ewilts at ewilts.org> writes:

>> I've got some consulting money sitting about for someone to write such
>> a feature into Mailman -- keeping record of the confirmation request
>> and the confirmation response (either email or clickthrough data).

EW> Given the new anti-spam law coming into California with the burden of
EW> proof being on the e-mail sender that the user has really opted in, I
EW> don't see how we can avoid having this feature in Mailman.  Some of run

Exactly.  And I'm willing to be the one to pay someone to build it in
sooner rather than later.  For similar reasons, I believe the other
request of having a tunable to disable uploads but keep "invitations"
is also necessary.  I might pay for that too, if it wasn't too much
more.


I know that I can permanently keep all mail logs and web server logs
and mailman logs as proof, but that's just too much unnecessary data.
I want to be able to go in as the admin of the site (NOT the list
owner -- they could see the secret token from the confirmation message
and email/click it themselves) and review that information by pulling
up the record of an individual address.

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Vivek Khera, Ph.D.                Khera Communications, Inc.
Internet: khera at kciLink.com       Rockville, MD       +1-240-453-8497
AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera   http://www.khera.org/~vivek/



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 17:38:33 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Oct 2003 11:38:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not sending mail problem
In-Reply-To: <20031006111756.A16173@zim.gsu.edu>
References: <20031006111756.A16173@zim.gsu.edu>
Message-ID: <1065454713.3998.98.camel@Anncons4>

have you tried using the ~mailman/bin/unshunt program?  It can take as
input the directory that you moved the qfiles into.

I haven't looked at the shunt/unshunt code, but it's worth a shot!

Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 11:17, Mike Alberghini wrote:
> Last week I upgraded mailman from 2.1.1 to 2.1.3.  Over the weekend mailman
> apparently stopped sending mail.  Sunday night it just stopped posting.
> I have spent the morning fiddling around with it and here is what I know:
> 
> 1.  almost 22,000 have built up in mailman/qfiles/in
> 2.  moving all of these out allowed mail to start flowing again
> 3.  my error log has countless 'lost data files for filebase' entries
> 4.  if I move some of the old qfiles back into mailman/qfiles/in, they
>     don't get sent.
>     
> Can anyone give me an idea of how to trace down the cause of this problem?
> Is there any way to get the 22,000 old qfiles sent?




From kari.ahveninen at pro-equal.com  Mon Oct  6 02:27:21 2003
From: kari.ahveninen at pro-equal.com (Kari Ahveninen)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 03:27:21 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving problem
Message-ID: <3F80B6E9.7030709@pro-equal.com>

Hi!

When I try to archive (or mailman make archives from list) I will get a 
next error message:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/arch", line 187, in ?
     main()
   File "bin/arch", line 177, in main
     archiver.close()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 306, in 
close
     self.write_TOC()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1044, 
in write_TOC
     toc.write(self.html_TOC())
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 734, in 
html_TOC
     accum.append(self.html_TOC_entry(a))
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 759, in 
html_TOC_entry
     templ = '<td><A href="%(url)s">[ ' + _('Text%(sz)s') + ']</a></td>'
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 89, in _
     return tns % dict
ValueError: unsupported format character '?' (0xffffffe4) at index 11


I have gotten it clear that far that I suppose this error be originated 
somehow of local language setting (?) caused by python, but I have no 
idea how to fix it, nor get this to work.

Mailman version is 2.1.3, running on RH 9.0.

I hope that somebody have any clue what should or could be done?

Wishes,

Kari




From Heart at pspbuddies.com  Mon Oct  6 08:04:47 2003
From: Heart at pspbuddies.com (Heart)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 01:04:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have set up a Mailman mailing list . . ..
Message-ID: <02a501c38bcf$bf796140$6501a8c0@greenwinds>

I can't find any help.  It's great, it's terrific, but . . . .
I can't find a way to make it do the ONE thing I need it to do.

I can't find any place to designate it to sow the archived messages in HTML format so the images can be seen and the attachments can be downloaded.

It probably isn't you job to explain the problem to me but maybe you could aim me at someone who can help.  The program is installed on my hosting service.
CSGreen

From bouhaddou at cnr.ac.ma  Mon Oct  6 17:26:40 2003
From: bouhaddou at cnr.ac.ma (bouhaddou)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:26:40 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and sympa
Message-ID: <3F8189B0.5010600@cnr.ac.ma>

hello everyone,
I have a problem.  I have a formed data base on mysql of 1000 users 
(1000 members of a mailing list "Sympa").  I want to use Mailman in the 
place of Sympa, but the problem is how to return these 1000 users 
members of a Mailman list. 
and thank you.






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 17:46:55 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Oct 2003 11:46:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner with 98% load
In-Reply-To: <E1A6SfV-0005mO-RG@imap.ipipip.de>
References: <E1A6SfV-0005mO-RG@imap.ipipip.de>
Message-ID: <1065455214.3998.102.camel@Anncons4>

On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 06:26, Wim Bonis wrote:
> Hello List,
> 
> I just upgrades my Server to mailman 2.1.3, and it basicly works, but some
> messages trigger a 98% load of qrunner.
> 
> The messages are in qfiles/out and get renamed more than once in a second.
> There is no log entry in logs or syslog.
> 
> I already read the archives about the "qrunner with over 90% CPU" subject.
> But in that thread the people blame the MTA reporting a 451. I straced and
> tcpdumped the qrunner, and it does not try to contact the MTA.
> 
> What else can i try to get more useful debugging output?

Look in the log files for both Mailman and your MTA to see what is going
on.

Also, stop Mailmanctl and look at the files in the queue.

Jon Carnes




From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Mon Oct  6 17:52:23 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:52:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscriptions w/names
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031005222757.00b06798@mail.prin.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031005222757.00b06798@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <3F818FB7.2030706@mitre.org>

Allan,

I simply use the format:

First Last <email-address>

which works very well.  There should also be a message from Barry in the 
mail archives listing several other supported options.

Allan Trick wrote:

> Now that I've got 2.1.3 installed, I have that empty name field on every 
> record since it didn't exist in the previous version.  My lists can all 
> be reloaded, but I'm not sure what format the file should be that I add 
> them with should be in.  Where is this documented?  I'm assuming it's 
> just tab-delimited, but thought I'd check before I futz around with it.


-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 18:00:27 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Oct 2003 12:00:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All recipients refused
In-Reply-To: <200310060029.AA202572234@mandala-designs.com>
References: <200310060029.AA202572234@mandala-designs.com>
Message-ID: <1065456027.3998.114.camel@Anncons4>

Look in your MTA logs to see what they say. It could be that your
postfix is not setup to allow you to post or relay through it.  This is
probably an MTA issue.

I would say that you should check for Postfix listening on 127.0.0.1,
but if it's working for some lists then Postfix must be doing that
already.

Good luck - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 00:29, ljacobs wrote:
> I just installed Mailman 2.1.3 on a FreeBSD system, migrating from 2.1.1 on RH Linux.
> Apparently I have done something wrong.  Installation went well, check_perms reports no problems however although a small test list delivers fine, when I try to send to my converted (6500 member list) list I see that postfix accepts the message and passes it to the mailman wrapper but then nothing happens.  A check of the mailman log directory reports the following.
> 
> post:
> Oct 06 00:13:35 2003 (26522) post to kenwilber from ljacobs at shambhala.com, size=2239, message-id=<200310052353.AA109249086 at kalapa.shambhala.com>, 6526 failures
> 
> qrunner:
> looks normal.
> 
> smtp:
> Oct 06 00:23:40 2003 (26522) All recipients refused: Connection unexpectedly closed
> 
> smtp-failure:
> Oct 06 00:26:18 2003 (26522) delivery to tyonashiro at motivate.com.ph failed with code -1: ignore
> Oct 06 00:26:18 2003 (26522) delivery to gaynell at roy-rogers.com failed with code -1: ignore
> Oct 06 00:26:18 2003 (26522) delivery to iipsgp at clara.net failed with code -1: ignore
> ...
> 
> subscribe:
> looks normal.
> 
> All my tests lists are working fine so I am puzzled by this failure.
> 
> FreeBSD 4.7
> Postfix 2.0.14
> Mailman 2.1.3
> 
> --Leonard Jacobs 
> 
>  
> ________________________________________________________________
> Sent via the WebMessaging system at mandala-designs.com
> 
> 
>  
>                    
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> 
> 
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> 
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From bonis at bonis.de  Mon Oct  6 18:01:49 2003
From: bonis at bonis.de (Wim Bonis)
Date: 06 Oct 2003 18:01:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner with 98% load
In-Reply-To: <1065455214.3998.102.camel@Anncons4>
References: <E1A6SfV-0005mO-RG@imap.ipipip.de>
	<1065455214.3998.102.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <1065456109.26171.4.camel@zimbo>

On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 17:46, Jon Carnes wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 06:26, Wim Bonis wrote:
> > Hello List,
> > 
> > I just upgrades my Server to mailman 2.1.3, and it basicly works, but some
> > messages trigger a 98% load of qrunner.
> > 
> > The messages are in qfiles/out and get renamed more than once in a second.
> > There is no log entry in logs or syslog.
> > 
> > I already read the archives about the "qrunner with over 90% CPU" subject.
> > But in that thread the people blame the MTA reporting a 451. I straced and
> > tcpdumped the qrunner, and it does not try to contact the MTA.
> > 
> > What else can i try to get more useful debugging output?
> 
> Look in the log files for both Mailman and your MTA to see what is going
> on.
> 
> Also, stop Mailmanctl and look at the files in the queue.

I did all this already, there is nothing in the logfiles, even if i
start with "qrunner -v -o -r Outgoing"

There also no traffic/logs for the MTA

The pck files look fine, It is e.g. a message to the normal list
address.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
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          NetwerkAnalyse und SystemDesign         Fax:06301-791867
                       +,.,+                    Mobil:0170-5664234
email: bonis at bonis.de                      Kaiserslautern/Mehlbach

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From mark at koek.net  Mon Oct  6 18:24:42 2003
From: mark at koek.net (Mark Koek)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:24:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman puts footer in MIME attachment
Message-ID: <3F81974A.60607@koek.net>

Hello list,

After I added some lines to the footer of my list run by Mailman 2.1, it 
has started converting the list messages (plain old text only) into 
multipart/mixed MIME messages, with the footer in a separate text/plain 
attachment.

Subscribers are complaining because not all mail clients can handle this 
properly, apparently.

Is there a way to switch off this behaviour? I haven't found anything in 
the web interface.


Mark




From chris at diviningmind.com  Mon Oct  6 18:50:38 2003
From: chris at diviningmind.com (Chris Gozdzik)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 09:50:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription with personalization on
Message-ID: <3F813AEE.3998.5ABD9A@localhost>

I have no root access to the server, but have a good host that turned the 
personalization on for me.
I'm trying to move from another script that used subscriber list with first name and e-
mail address - I'd like to use this, but don't know how to enter it in mass subscribing. 
I've tried putting the first name in front, separated by coma or without - it wouldn't 
work.
I couldn't find this info in the faq and would really appreciate your help with it.

Chris Gozdzik




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 19:37:47 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Oct 2003 13:37:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner with 98% load
In-Reply-To: <1065456109.26171.4.camel@zimbo>
References: <E1A6SfV-0005mO-RG@imap.ipipip.de>
	<1065455214.3998.102.camel@Anncons4> <1065456109.26171.4.camel@zimbo>
Message-ID: <1065461867.3998.122.camel@Anncons4>

On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 12:01, Wim Bonis wrote:

> I did all this already, there is nothing in the logfiles, even if i
> start with "qrunner -v -o -r Outgoing"
> 
> There also no traffic/logs for the MTA
> 
> The pck files look fine, It is e.g. a message to the normal list
> address.

Yet this message hangs out in the queue? Or rather the queue is stalled
out on it?

If you delete this message and send a different message to a different
list what happens?

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 19:43:36 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Oct 2003 13:43:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and sympa
In-Reply-To: <3F8189B0.5010600@cnr.ac.ma>
References: <3F8189B0.5010600@cnr.ac.ma>
Message-ID: <1065462216.3998.128.camel@Anncons4>

On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 11:26, bouhaddou wrote:
> hello everyone,
> I have a problem.  I have a formed data base on mysql of 1000 users 
> (1000 members of a mailing list "Sympa").  I want to use Mailman in the 
> place of Sympa, but the problem is how to return these 1000 users 
> members of a Mailman list. 
> and thank you.
> 
Dump the email addresses out to text file and then use Mailman's tools
to move the addresses into your Mailman list.  Either "add_members" or
"sync_members" should work fine.

BTW: I've been keeping an eye on Sympa:
  http://www.sympa.org/

Can you tell us why you've decided to move over to Mailman instead?

Good Luck, and Thanks - Jon Carnes





From che at debian.org  Mon Oct  6 20:30:51 2003
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:30:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman puts footer in MIME attachment
In-Reply-To: <3F81974A.60607@koek.net>
References: <3F81974A.60607@koek.net>
Message-ID: <3F81B4DB.3@debian.org>

Mark Koek wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> After I added some lines to the footer of my list run by Mailman 2.1, 
> it has started converting the list messages (plain old text only) into 
> multipart/mixed MIME messages, with the footer in a separate 
> text/plain attachment.
>
> Subscribers are complaining because not all mail clients can handle 
> this properly, apparently.
>
> Is there a way to switch off this behaviour? I haven't found anything 
> in the web interface.


This is fast becoming a FAQ.

The reason Mailman does this, is because your list is configured for a 
different character set than the incoming emails.  For example, if it's 
set for German (ISO-8859-1), and someone sends a message in UTF-8, the 
footer cannot be directly added to the message, and needs to be attached 
separately.

There is a patch available that attempts to coerce all emails to Unicode 
so footers can be safely added.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=664209&group_id=103&atid=300103

Ben





From paul at thcwd.com  Mon Oct  6 20:32:13 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:32:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Default conceal from subscriber list
In-Reply-To: <E1A6Vgy-0000GC-0b@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A6Vgy-0000GC-0b@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031006132757.03c319d0@mail.thcwd.com>

Todd wrote:
>Well, I found one nice problem with it today, that shows how little I
>know about python.  If you actually used the -o option to pass in the
>value, your list will be broken.

      Had not done that, so did not notice it.  In addition the value is 
based on a total of 511, and it will override some things set other ways, 
so dig up the information in Default.py before going wild with it.

>I didn't set the option as an
>integer so it was getting written to the config.pck file as a string.
>Ooops, that was smart of me.  Change
>
>     options = arg
>to
>
>     options = int(arg)
>
>if you're keeping that script around.  And be careful that there's not
>anything else horridly broken about it.

      Done.  Never throw out a good script - especially when the hard drive 
is only 21% full!

> > BTW, love the sig file.
>
>Thanks, it's lovingly (an unapologetically) ripped off from many good
>sources.

      And I have taken it from you and added it to my collection


<>< Paul 




From bonis at bonis.de  Mon Oct  6 20:35:27 2003
From: bonis at bonis.de (Wim Bonis)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:35:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner with 98% load
In-Reply-To: <1065461867.3998.122.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <E1A6aIp-0008Mx-H4@imap.ipipip.de>

> > The pck files look fine, It is e.g. a message to the normal list 
> > address.
> 
> Yet this message hangs out in the queue? Or rather the queue 
> is stalled out on it?
> 
> If you delete this message and send a different message to a 
> different list what happens?

Normal messages just go thru.

I looked a little bit more arround, the messages which make the problems, 
are already delivered to the list and have been processed to the other 
members.

But in the .db file they are two emailadresses in the recip-Filed which are 
not resolvable (no MX record for the emaildomain).

So i know now what the main Problem is....

But is this the right behavior which mailman shows? I think the way it 
should work is it should try to deliver the messages again to the MTA, and 
Wait for the response from the MTA. (And it should not take all the
CPU-Time)

Is there anything in mailman which can explain this behavior? Does mailman
lookup
DNS/MX entrys before contacting the MTA. Or dos mailman has a internal state
of 
already failed messages?

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Wim Bonis             ,+'^'+,                 Telefon:06301-791868
          NetwerkAnalyse und SystemDesign         Fax:06301-791867
                       +,.,+                    Mobil:0170-5664234
email: bonis at bonis.de                      Kaiserslautern/Mehlbach

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and those who don't. 





From sysmda at zim.gsu.edu  Mon Oct  6 20:51:12 2003
From: sysmda at zim.gsu.edu (Mike Alberghini)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:51:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not sending mail problem
In-Reply-To: <20031006111756.A16173@zim.gsu.edu>;
	from sysmda@zim.gsu.edu on Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 11:17:56AM -0400
References: <20031006111756.A16173@zim.gsu.edu>
Message-ID: <20031006145112.A17481@zim.gsu.edu>

As it turned out, one of the other sysadmins created a list to collect
the bounced mail from our mail servers.  Every bounce going to gsu.edu
was being sent to one mailman list.  In about 12 hours that was over 11000
messages.  

The problem was that the mailman ArchRunner was struggling to keep up.
It was hogging the CPU on the box and keeping anything else from happening.
Mailman was under Denail of Service attack from our own webserver. :)

I just thought I'd let the list know this happened, because someone could
use this to screw up a mailman server rather easily.



On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 11:17:56AM -0400, Mike Alberghini wrote:
> Last week I upgraded mailman from 2.1.1 to 2.1.3.  Over the weekend mailman
> apparently stopped sending mail.  Sunday night it just stopped posting.
> I have spent the morning fiddling around with it and here is what I know:
> 
> 1.  almost 22,000 have built up in mailman/qfiles/in
> 2.  moving all of these out allowed mail to start flowing again
> 3.  my error log has countless 'lost data files for filebase' entries
> 4.  if I move some of the old qfiles back into mailman/qfiles/in, they
>     don't get sent.
>     
> Can anyone give me an idea of how to trace down the cause of this problem?
> Is there any way to get the 22,000 old qfiles sent?
> 
> -- 
> Michael Alberghini
> Software Systems Engineer
> Georgia State University
> mike at gsu.edu
> 
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: sysmda at zim.gsu.edu
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Software Systems Engineer
Georgia State University
mike at gsu.edu



From mail at schoeppi.net  Mon Oct  6 21:18:45 2003
From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:18:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My own malman.po file
Message-ID: <20031006191845.GA2106@toshiba>

Hi!

We use mailman for a community and we want to create our own 
mailman messages, for example when a mail was blocked because of 
attachments etc. I know how to create our own settings by editing the 
mailman.po file and bring it into a binaary message catalog format with 
msgfmt.py.

But what is the best way to use such a own binary message catalog after 
a mailman update? Surely mailman.po changes from time to time and I can't 
use an old .po file with a new mailman version... Are there any chances to 
include an old .po or .mo file after an upgrade?

thanks and best regards,
Schoeppi

-- 
Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de
mail at schoeppi.net     | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de



From atrick at prin.edu  Mon Oct  6 22:42:30 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:42:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are URL's stored?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031006153427.025a7190@mail.prin.edu>

I've hunted all over and haven't found the spot.  I need to fix the way the 
"send questions and comments" link on our main admin web page is displayed 
(it now says "mailman at www.prin.edu") and also in the emails the system 
generates, it's telling list owners and new subscribers things like:

   You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:

     http://mail.prin.edu/mailman/admin/mailman

That should be "www" not "mail".  I see in the English templates 
directories things like %(listinfo_url)s  - where does it fill that URL in 
from?

Thank you!!

Allan




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 23:03:40 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:03:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are URL's stored?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031006153427.025a7190@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <8FC2FEB0-F840-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

The bones of what you need to solve your problem are explained on this 
page of the Mailman FAQ, although it may not be immediately obvoius 
that this is the case:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

also check the comments about the referenced MM variables in 
$prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py

The URLs associated with a list are dynamically generated. If the 
virtual host associated with a list is changed per the FAQ, the 
consequence is that the URLs referring to the list/on the list web 
pages are changed. At one level, you question is a non-sequitur as the 
URL's are not stored in the way you may be thinking. That said, the 
web_page_url and host_name attributes of a list are what do the things 
you are thinking about.

On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 09:42  pm, Allan Trick wrote:

> I've hunted all over and haven't found the spot.  I need to fix the 
> way the "send questions and comments" link on our main admin web page 
> is displayed (it now says "mailman at www.prin.edu") and also in the 
> emails the system generates, it's telling list owners and new 
> subscribers things like:
>
>   You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
>
>     http://mail.prin.edu/mailman/admin/mailman
>
> That should be "www" not "mail".  I see in the English templates 
> directories things like %(listinfo_url)s  - where does it fill that 
> URL in from?
>
> Thank you!!
>
> Allan
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From david at dpieper.com  Mon Oct  6 23:51:07 2003
From: david at dpieper.com (David Pieper)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:51:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password reminders for virtual hosts...
Message-ID: <3F81E3CB.70003@dpieper.com>

I have a question about the monthly password reminders and virtual hosts.


How can I get the monthly password reminders to come from each virtual host?
Everything else is nicely separated. The web sites work fine. Regular 
list messages work fine. It's just the password reminders that throw a 
wrench in it.


 > From the FAQ:?
 >
 > 4.25. What is the purpose of the site-wide mailing list?
 >
 > The site-wide mailing list is for errors and warnings generated by
 > Mailman. It is also where password reminders appear to come from.

The problem is that the password reminders return path, message-id, 
list-id, etc., have lists.domain.tld all over it, instead of having 
lists.virtual-domain.tld on it. This causes a bunch of mail to come to 
me, rather than to the virtual domains admin.

Is there any way to have a "virtual site-wide mailing list" so that each 
host can look like they have their own Mailman installation?

I hope that all makes sense.

Enjoy,
David Pieper

-- 
programmer n. /pro gram er/ A device for transmuting caffeine into code.





From atrick at prin.edu  Tue Oct  7 05:49:05 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Showing chunks of names
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031006224052.02622cb8@mail.prin.edu>

In the FAQ, it says:

>4.30. How do I configure the admin webpage to show more members per page?
>
>Change the setting in DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE in mm_cfg.py The 
>description is in Defaults.py.

And mine is set for 30 (same as it was in 2.0.x).  But it doesn't look like 
name are displayed in "chunks" in the new version of MM.  Yet I have users 
asking for that capability, even though they now have much easier ways to 
search for members than they ever had before!

Is that chunksize setting just a remnant of the old version that displayed 
names in chunks?  Any way to display all list members on one page?  (I 
don't think there is, but thought I'd better ask so I can satisfy these 
folks with the right answer!)

Thanks,

Allan




From atrick at prin.edu  Tue Oct  7 07:21:20 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:21:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Showing chunks of names
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031006224052.02622cb8@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031007001950.025baa18@mail.prin.edu>

While I haven't found a way to *display* chunks of names any more in the 
new Mailman, I thought I would post in response to my own question that if 
anyone else has the same question, the command sent back to the 
list-request address with "who" followed by the list password, returns a 
complete list of all the names.  This is going to meet my need....

Allan




From sandip at linux-delhi.org  Tue Oct  7 10:16:01 2003
From: sandip at linux-delhi.org (Sandip Bhattacharya)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:46:01 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: My own malman.po file
In-Reply-To: <20031006191845.GA2106@toshiba>
References: <20031006191845.GA2106@toshiba>
Message-ID: <4c9a51-p7c.ln1@pluto.home>

Christian Schoepplein wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> We use mailman for a community and we want to create our own 
> mailman messages, for example when a mail was blocked because of 
> attachments etc. I know how to create our own settings by editing the 
> mailman.po file and bring it into a binaary message catalog format with 
> msgfmt.py.
> 
> But what is the best way to use such a own binary message catalog after 
> a mailman update? Surely mailman.po changes from time to time and I can't 
> use an old .po file with a new mailman version... Are there any chances to 
> include an old .po or .mo file after an upgrade?
> 

I have the same requirement with an additional complication. I would 
like to edit message.po on a list basis. For most lists the present is 
ok. For some my clients want the mail subject lines to be more specific 
- like using %description instaead of %real_name in the subject or body.

Can this be done on a list to list basis?

- Sandip



-- 
Sandip Bhattacharya                        http://www.sandipb.net
sandip at puroga.com
Puroga Technologies Pvt. Ltd.
http://www.puroga.com





From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Tue Oct  7 14:49:21 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:49:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription with personalization on
In-Reply-To: <3F813AEE.3998.5ABD9A@localhost>
References: <3F813AEE.3998.5ABD9A@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F82B651.3060207@mitre.org>

Chris,

I believe the trick is to use the format of %(fullname)s for the user's 
fullname.  I don't know if there is a first name variable or not.

If you load the members of the list with the format:

Some Text Here <email-address>

Then "Some Text Here" will be the "fullname" variable.  That's why I 
would be somewhat surprised to find Mailman parsed it into first and 
last name.  But it might.

I'll do a little investigating.

Chris Gozdzik wrote:
> I have no root access to the server, but have a good host that turned the 
> personalization on for me.
> I'm trying to move from another script that used subscriber list with first name and e-
> mail address - I'd like to use this, but don't know how to enter it in mass subscribing. 
> I've tried putting the first name in front, separated by coma or without - it wouldn't 
> work.
> I couldn't find this info in the faq and would really appreciate your help with it.
> 
> Chris Gozdzik

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own





From cozzi at cozziconsulting.com  Tue Oct  7 16:10:27 2003
From: cozzi at cozziconsulting.com (Michael Cozzi)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:10:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site list missing??
Message-ID: <00b101c38cdc$c290a920$8101a8c0@revmain>



    Hi all,

    Got a shock here....

    Was playing around with Spam Assassin and when I un-installed it,
mailman was not working.

    The error when starting mailman is "site list is missing".

    Can someone give me a pointer?

    Thanks!

    Michael




From camtech at white-wolf.com  Tue Oct  7 18:02:42 2003
From: camtech at white-wolf.com (Jerry Spaulding)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:02:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Not Found
In-Reply-To: <00b101c38cdc$c290a920$8101a8c0@revmain>
References: <00b101c38cdc$c290a920$8101a8c0@revmain>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031007120105.034afdb0@mail.white-wolf.com>

Many people in the archives have posted intermittent list not found errors. 
I had this one myself. The problem was that some of the aliases in my 
aliases file had the wrong case for the name. So it was ..../mailman post 
List instead of ..../mailman post list
Try that, hope it works for you.
/*
Jeremiah Spaulding
US2002023190
National Technical Administrator
Volunteer Project Lead: Bloodline - Baali
*/  





From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Oct  7 19:56:52 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:56:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  Site list missing??
In-Reply-To: <E1A6uIB-0002j1-UO@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A6uIB-0002j1-UO@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031007125416.03c70e40@mail.thcwd.com>

Michael Cozz wrote:

>     Got a shock here....
>
>     Was playing around with Spam Assassin and when I un-installed it,
>mailman was not working.
>
>     The error when starting mailman is "site list is missing".

      Here is the short answer - the site list is required for Mailman to 
start - if it's missing or "lost" you must create or find it.  The list is 
in <prefix>/mailman/lists and is called mailman.  If you don't have that, 
you need to create it.  If it's there, then some alias or pointer is wrong.


<>< Paul 




From jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com  Tue Oct  7 20:02:52 2003
From: jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com (Jason Williams)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 11:02:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help: Question on settings
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031007110104.025d0e30@pop.courtesymortgage.com>

Hello everyone.

I'm having a problem with some settings on Mailman; Specifically, when 
people send to the list, the message has to be approved first.

I've looked under the settings for the list, but I cant seem to figure out 
how to shut that off. I just want people to be able to send the my list(s) 
without having to have approval. Where can I fix that?

Secondly, im running postfix and I saw this in my maillog, and not sure 
what i means:

Oct  7 11:04:40 corpmail postfix/qmgr[16470]: 76698AB549: 
from=<mailman-bounces at courtesymortgage.com>, size=1634, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

mailman-bounces  can someone tell me what that is?

I appreciate everyones help.

Jason




From atrick at prin.edu  Tue Oct  7 20:36:16 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:36:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  Site list missing??
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031007125416.03c70e40@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <E1A6uIB-0002j1-UO@mail.python.org>
	<E1A6uIB-0002j1-UO@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031007133202.03c6a128@mail.prin.edu>

At 12:56 PM 10/7/2003, Paul Byerly wrote:

>the site list is required for Mailman to start - if it's missing or "lost" 
>you must create or find it.  The list is in <prefix>/mailman/lists and is 
>called mailman.  If you don't have that, you need to create it.  If it's 
>there, then some alias or pointer is wrong.

On my server,  /var/mailman/lists/mailman is a directory for the list MM 
2.1.3 wanted created when we installed, and which is called 
"mailman."  Inside that directory is:

-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      4026 Oct  7 12:00 config.pck
-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      4026 Oct  7 12:00 config.pck.last
-rw-rw-r--    1 apache   mailman        29 Oct  6 16:15 request.db

Is that what you're saying needs to be recreated if it's not there, 
Paul?  And if it's missing, wouldn't ./newlist be all that one needs to do 
to create it?

Or are you saying there's another file somewhere else that is the "site list"?

Allan




From atrick at prin.edu  Tue Oct  7 20:57:18 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:57:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating new lists from Web interface
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031007135439.02677a28@mail.prin.edu>

I'm curious if anyone has had success creating a new list from the Web 
browser instead of ./newlist on the command line.  I keep getting an error 
saying "Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists."  But 
I'm using the site password.  Maybe I missed a setting somewhere that says 
it's possible to do this?  I don't think there was anything but a command 
line way to create new lists before.  But I'd like to use this method if I 
can get it to accept my requests!

Thanks,
Allan




From j.list at blueboxdev.com  Tue Oct  7 21:31:03 2003
From: j.list at blueboxdev.com (Jesse Williams-Proudman)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:31:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stats
Message-ID: <BBA86287.3982C%j.list@blueboxdev.com>

I need to generate mailing list stats for my customer (# of emails
delivered/# failed, etc...) for each email they send on their list.  Can
Mailman do that?  If not, does any one know a server that could?

Thanks

-- 
           Jesse Williams-Proudman
Blue Box Development :: Custom Web Solutions
     +1.206.778.8777 :: jesse at blueboxdev.com




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 22:01:10 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:01:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stats
In-Reply-To: <BBA86287.3982C%j.list@blueboxdev.com>
Message-ID: <FF1D1696-F900-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 08:31  pm, Jesse Williams-Proudman 
wrote:

> I need to generate mailing list stats for my customer (# of emails
> delivered/# failed, etc...) for each email they send on their list.  
> Can
> Mailman do that?  If not, does any one know a server that could?
>

You could try running some scripts to analyse the Mailman logs.

> Thanks
>
> -- 
>            Jesse Williams-Proudman
> Blue Box Development :: Custom Web Solutions
>      +1.206.778.8777 :: jesse at blueboxdev.com
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From atrick at prin.edu  Tue Oct  7 22:13:03 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:13:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating new lists from Web interface
In-Reply-To: <3F831B21.9050203@jimdrash.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031007135439.02677a28@mail.prin.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20031007135439.02677a28@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031007151110.026b6e70@mail.prin.edu>

At 02:59 PM 10/7/2003, Jim Drash wrote:

>Something must be mis-configured somewhere.  This is how I create all my 
>lists.  You might want to re-set the site password.

Yeah, that worked!  I changed the pw with mmsitepass, put it in the field 
at the bottom of the newlist form where it says, "List creator's 
(authentication) password:", and it created the list.

Thanks, Jim.

Allan




From MarkRoedel at letu.edu  Tue Oct  7 22:27:21 2003
From: MarkRoedel at letu.edu (Roedel, Mark)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:27:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Version of Python?
Message-ID: <AA73F2550745234DBF545881E35554C454205B@rachael.letnet.net>


Slightly-late response, but since I don't see any others...

I've not had any noticeable problems running Mailman 2.1.2 with Python
2.3.

--
Mark Roedel
Web Programmer / Analyst
LeTourneau University


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+markroedel=letu.edu at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+markroedel=letu.edu at python.org] On Behalf
Of Allan Trick
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 11:19 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Version of Python?


The readme's for Mailman 2.1.3 say to use Python 2.2.1 (the latest
version 
when this version of Mailman came out).  But now there's a Python 
2.3.  Does anyone know if Mailman would have a problem with an even
later 
version of Python than existed when 2.1.3 was put together?  Or should I
go 
with Python 2.2.1 to be safe?



From j.list at blueboxdev.com  Tue Oct  7 22:58:18 2003
From: j.list at blueboxdev.com (Jesse Williams-Proudman)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:58:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stats
In-Reply-To: <FF1D1696-F900-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BBA876FA.39838%j.list@blueboxdev.com>

On 10/7/03 1:01 PM, "Richard Barrett" <r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk> wrote:

> You could try running some scripts to analyse the Mailman logs.

Does any one have anything like this built?  If not, is any one interested
in quoting me a price to generate something like that?

Basically I just need the number of successful messages that were sent vs.
the number of unsuccessful messages based on the number of bounces for each
mailing.  There will be 1 mailing per week.

Thanks

-- 
           Jesse Williams-Proudman
Blue Box Development :: Custom Web Solutions
     +1.206.778.8777 :: jesse at blueboxdev.com




From barry at python.org  Wed Oct  8 00:36:47 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:36:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Terri Oda's List Member Manual now available
Message-ID: <1065566207.18519.28.camel@anthem>

Terri Oda has written a nice manual for Mailman list members, and I've
finally pushed it out to the web site (and mirrors).  It's available
both on-line and in PDF format.

You can access the manual at:

http://www.list.org/users.html
http://mailman.sf.net/users.html
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/users.html

(As usual, the GNU mirror has a delay and is not yet up-to-date.)

Thanks Terri!
-Barry





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct  8 01:36:58 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 07 Oct 2003 19:36:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stats
In-Reply-To: <BBA876FA.39838%j.list@blueboxdev.com>
References: <BBA876FA.39838%j.list@blueboxdev.com>
Message-ID: <1065569818.2628.119.camel@Anncons4>

I already have this up and running on my servers. My basic scripts are
published in the Archives.  Christian Schoepplein just modified them to
make them even better!

If you want help customizing them, I won't turn away your money, but I
think what you need is basically in the archives.

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 16:58, Jesse Williams-Proudman wrote:
> On 10/7/03 1:01 PM, "Richard Barrett" <r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > You could try running some scripts to analyse the Mailman logs.
> 
> Does any one have anything like this built?  If not, is any one interested
> in quoting me a price to generate something like that?
> 
> Basically I just need the number of successful messages that were sent vs.
> the number of unsuccessful messages based on the number of bounces for each
> mailing.  There will be 1 mailing per week.
> 
> Thanks




From Merle.Reine at lindows.com  Wed Oct  8 02:05:36 2003
From: Merle.Reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Tue,  7 Oct 2003 17:05:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] -no subject-
Message-ID: <6913951.1065571536602.SLOX.WebMail.comfire@mail.lindows.com>

1.  I need to be able to allow anyone from @domainname.com to be able to send to a list.  I see the box to do this but can not figure out the proper text to do so.

I tried *.*@domainname.com
*.*@domainname\.com
$@domainname.com

etc.

Anyone have any ideas?  I read the python manual to no avail.

It is under Privacy Options > Sender filters > List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted.

I do not want to add anyone to the list but rather want anyone in the company to be able to send to the list.

For example, the list of execs at domain.com .  I only want 5 people on the list getting the mail but want anyone from inside the company to be able to send to it.

2.  Is there a way to allow any user anywhere to post to a list without subscribing?  Example, support at domain.com .  I want anyone in world to be able to send to it but not subscribe to it.

Thanks for the help.

-- 
Merle Reine
Lindows.com Hardware Certification Specialist






From merle.reine at lindows.com  Wed Oct  8 02:06:31 2003
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:06:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Add entire @domain.com to allowed sender list
Message-ID: <oprwo6k5blyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>

1.  I need to be able to allow anyone from @domainname.com to be able to 
send to a list.  I see the box to do this but can not figure out the 
proper text to do so.

I tried *.*@domainname.com
*.*@domainname\.com
$@domainname.com

etc.

Anyone have any ideas?  I read the python manual to no avail.

It is under Privacy Options > Sender filters > List of non-member 
addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted.

I do not want to add anyone to the list but rather want anyone in the 
company to be able to send to the list.

For example, the list of execs at domain.com .  I only want 5 people on the 
list getting the mail but want anyone from inside the company to be able 
to send to it.

2.  Is there a way to allow any user anywhere to post to a list without 
subscribing?  Example, support at domain.com .  I want anyone in world to be 
able to send to it but not subscribe to it.

Thanks for the help.

-- 
Merle Reine
Lindows.com Hardware Certification Specialist



From merle.reine at lindows.com  Wed Oct  8 02:08:31 2003
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:08:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <oprwo6ohkhyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>

1.  I need to be able to allow anyone from @domainname.com to be able to 
send to a list.  I see the box to do this but can not figure out the 
proper text to do so.

I tried *.*@domainname.com
*.*@domainname\.com
$@domainname.com

etc.

Anyone have any ideas?  I read the python manual to no avail.

It is under Privacy Options > Sender filters > List of non-member 
addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted.

I do not want to add anyone to the list but rather want anyone in the 
company to be able to send to the list.

For example, the list of execs at domain.com .  I only want 5 people on the 
list getting the mail but want anyone from inside the company to be able 
to send to it.

2.  Is there a way to allow any user anywhere to post to a list without 
subscribing?  Example, support at domain.com .  I want anyone in world to be 
able to send to
it but not subscribe to it.

Thanks for the help.


-- 
Merle Reine
Lindows.com Hardware Certification Specialist



From merle.reine at lindows.com  Wed Oct  8 02:10:10 2003
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:10:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Add entire @domain.com to allowed sender list
In-Reply-To: <oprwo6k5blyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
References: <oprwo6k5blyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
Message-ID: <oprwo6q8yhyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>





1.  I need to be able to allow anyone from @domainname.com to be able to
send to a list.  I see the box to do this but can not figure out the
proper text to do so.

I tried *.*@domainname.com
*.*@domainname\.com
$@domainname.com
etc.

Anyone have any ideas?  I read the python manual to no avail.

It is under Privacy Options > Sender filters > List of non-member
addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted.

I do not want to add anyone to the list but rather want anyone in the
company to be able to send to the list.

For example, the list of execs at domain.com .  I only want 5 people on the
list getting the mail but want anyone from inside the company to be able
to send to it.

2.  Is there a way to allow any user anywhere to post to a list without
subscribing?  Example, support at domain.com .  I want anyone in world to
be able to send to it but not subscribe to it.

Thanks for the help.




-- 
Merle Reine
Lindows.com Hardware Certification Specialist



From glo at igateway.net  Wed Oct  8 03:32:04 2003
From: glo at igateway.net (Glo)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:32:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto responder problem?
In-Reply-To: <LAW15-DAV73idKrlVKv00002cb1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <02ed01c38d3b$fc49fcc0$083c8ece@GLO>



Help,
I am running MM2.1.1 on Redhat 7.3 with Sendmail 8.11.6.
I have had my list linked to a Yahoogroups list for 8 or 9 months.  Suddenly
Yahoo has disabled my list address stating that I am running an Auto
Responder.  I have checked and all the auto responders are turned off.  Does
anyone have any idea what might be causing this, and what I can do to fix
it.

Glo




From nick-mailman at nickpiper.co.uk  Wed Oct  8 13:51:20 2003
From: nick-mailman at nickpiper.co.uk (Nicholas Piper)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:51:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mutt approve script
Message-ID: <20031008115120.GT1662@piamox7.haus>

Hiya,

A quick look over the mailing list, web and contrib/ didn't turn up
an 'approve' script, that I can bind to a mutt key.

That would let me with a single key, approve posts to a moderated
mailing list.

The mailing list server isn't on the same machine as my email client.

Is there one floating around, or should I write one?

Thanks,
 
  Nick

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From ricardo at americasnet.com  Wed Oct  8 16:58:19 2003
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:58:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting user flags
Message-ID: <3f84260b.8e.60ef.191059435@server2.americasnet.com>

Hi,

I have a list with over 300 members, and none of their
"nodupes" flags are set. What is the best/quickest way to
set the nodupes flag for all members?

Thanks
Ricardo



From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Oct  8 19:58:22 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:58:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  Site list missing??
In-Reply-To: <E1A71xX-0007Fr-OC@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A71xX-0007Fr-OC@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031008125014.01c61da8@mail.thcwd.com>

Allan Trick wrote:
>At 12:56 PM 10/7/2003, Paul Byerly wrote:
>
> >the site list is required for Mailman to start - if it's missing or "lost"
> >you must create or find it.  The list is in <prefix>/mailman/lists and is
> >called mailman.  If you don't have that, you need to create it.  If it's
> >there, then some alias or pointer is wrong.
>
>On my server,  /var/mailman/lists/mailman is a directory for the list MM
>2.1.3 wanted created when we installed, and which is called
>"mailman."  Inside that directory is:
>
>-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      4026 Oct  7 12:00 config.pck
>-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      4026 Oct  7 12:00 config.pck.last
>-rw-rw-r--    1 apache   mailman        29 Oct  6 16:15 request.db

      That is it (sorry, should have indicated it was a directory) and it 
the files and permissions look right.

>Is that what you're saying needs to be recreated if it's not there,
>Paul?  And if it's missing, wouldn't ./newlist be all that one needs to do
>to create it?

      I see you said you created a list, I assume you recreated the mailman 
list?  If bin/mailmanctl start still give you an error about not having a 
site list it's because something is looking or pointing in the wrong 
place.  What that might be is beyond my limited powers.


<>< Paul 

From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Oct  8 20:04:52 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:04:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto responder problem?
In-Reply-To: <E1A7GlH-0005sr-LB@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A7GlH-0005sr-LB@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031008125405.01c62028@mail.thcwd.com>

Glo wrote:
>Help,
>I am running MM2.1.1 on Redhat 7.3 with Sendmail 8.11.6.
>I have had my list linked to a Yahoogroups list for 8 or 9 months.  Suddenly
>Yahoo has disabled my list address stating that I am running an Auto
>Responder.  I have checked and all the auto responders are turned off.  Does
>anyone have any idea what might be causing this, and what I can do to fix
>it.

      It's not Mailman, it's Yahoo.  Yahoo has limits on how many messages 
can be sent in a set time to prevent an auto responder loop from eating up 
resources.  But all they do is count messages.  I Mailman mirrors too many 
messages to fast it will trigger the auto responder lock.  As of Aug 23, 
2003 the trigger point was 50 emails in 20 minutes.  With the way Yahoo has 
been changing things, that may have been lowered.

      If you have a big list, a busy topic might churn out 50 messages in 
that amount of time.  Or if there is a backlog of outgoing messages that 
clears in a hurry you could easily go over.  I don't know any easy way to 
avoid this, but as I will this month be moving a very active list off Yahoo 
to my server and mirroring it to Yahoo, I'd sure like to hear some ideas!


<>< Paul 




From mail at schoeppi.net  Wed Oct  8 21:01:15 2003
From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:01:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stats
In-Reply-To: <BBA86287.3982C%j.list@blueboxdev.com>
References: <BBA86287.3982C%j.list@blueboxdev.com>
Message-ID: <20031008190115.GB1350@toshiba>

Hiho!

On Die, Okt 07, 2003 at 12:31:03 -0700, Jesse Williams-Proudman wrote:
> I need to generate mailing list stats for my customer (# of emails
> delivered/# failed, etc...) for each email they send on their list.  Can
> Mailman do that?  If not, does any one know a server that could?

I wrote a script based on Jon Carnes ideas that I found in the archive of 
this list. With this script you can

- create a overview page with some datas aobut evry advertised mailinglist 
  on your server and with links to a detailed stat and to the list info 
  pages for evry list; this overview might be helpfull for siteadmins etc.
- create detailed stats for every list witch will be coppied in a seperate 
  listspecific directory, so access for evry list can be restricted for 
  evry list with a special login or password for example with an 
  .htaccess-file; this stats might be helpfull and interesting for the 
  moderators or listadmins.
- mail out the detailed stats to the listadmins and moderators and/or 
  other people who could be interested in the stats.

The webpages and mailings can be done with cronjobs as ofthen as necesary.

I run this script on a little server with mailman 2.1.3 and about 40  
lists and 1500 users with out any problems, but I have no experince what 
will happen if this script is used with bigger lists or more users. 

Here is the link where the script can be downloaded:

http://www.schoeppi.net/mmstats.tar.gz

If anyone has ideas, wishes, critics, bugfixes or what else regarding the 
script, please let me know!

Regards and have fun,
Schoeppi

-- 
Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de
mail at schoeppi.net     | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de



From saurav at sas.upenn.edu  Wed Oct  8 22:05:01 2003
From: saurav at sas.upenn.edu (Saurav Pathak)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:05:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin notifications for held messages
Message-ID: <20031008200501.GA23116@mail2.sas.upenn.edu>

hi,

i am using mailman 2.1.1 and redhat 9.

when the list admin receives a notification for a held message, the
entire original mail is appended at the bottom.  how can this be disabled,
so that only the short and crisp notification is sent to the list
admin?  i have looked at the admin webpages, Default.py and the FAQ,
but did not see anything that could help me.

thanks for your help,
saurav



From mdunston at music.vt.edu  Wed Oct  8 22:18:38 2003
From: mdunston at music.vt.edu (michael dunston)
Date: Wed,  8 Oct 2003 16:18:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: ASCII encoding error:
	ordinal not in range
In-Reply-To: <20031008190115.GB1350@toshiba>
Message-ID: <r02000200-1028-9AF65510F9CC11D7AD5D000A95A0C78A@[10.0.1.40]>

For the second time in a few weeks, one of my lists has stopped
delivering mail.  (Mailman 2.1.1 w/ sendmail) Can anyone possibly
provide some ideas on what the error below might mean and how I might
solve it?  Last time I ended up deleting and recreating the list as the
solution.  Could this possibly be the result of a malformed message?  If
so, is there a way to remove it without deleting everything?  Thanks in
advance for any suggestions..

---------------------------------------------------
Oct 07 18:44:48 2003 (485) Uncaught runner exception: 
    ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)
Oct 07 18:44:48 2003 (485) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, 
    in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, 
    in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, 
    in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, 
    in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in 
    process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in 
    send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in 
    send_i18n_digests print >> plainmsg, msg.get_payload(decode=1)
  UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)
Oct 07 18:44:48 2003 (485) SHUNTING: 
    1065566687.193175+42dca3e6bc6e314e2282610157cc69be07003f6c

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
-- Michael Dunston
-- Music and Technology
-- <http://www.music.vt.edu>
-- Virginia Tech School of the Arts



From ellisb at dnb.com  Tue Oct  7 14:15:37 2003
From: ellisb at dnb.com (Ellis, Brian (CSC))
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:15:37 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <F538B6B39EF3D311807C00508B6075130784F4CA@exbhlvmb03.us.dnb.com>

Hello. I have installed and configured Mailman on a test Free-BSD server
with Sendmail.  I've created some lists for testing but I can't send to
them.  I received a NDR stating that the user is unknown.  What have I
missed?
 
 
Thank You,
 
Brian Ellis
Phone: 610.882.6152
Fax: 413.618.0401
 


From hostmaster at jbagroup.net  Tue Oct  7 22:25:00 2003
From: hostmaster at jbagroup.net (Hostmaster)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:25:00 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Clear Cache
Message-ID: <200310072025.h97KPvpT144960@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>

On our maiden voyage, we were mass subscribing to our list when we realized it was sending the subscription message for each address.  We decided we did not want this, so we stopped the MTA.  Now, we have lots of unsent messages in the cache that we'd like to remove.  Does anyone happen to know how to clear the cache/queue?

Nathan Morgan
972-231-9300
www.jbagroup.net
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From gskipworth at nabanet.com  Tue Oct  7 23:52:23 2003
From: gskipworth at nabanet.com (Guy Skipworth)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:52:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Obtaining Mailman 
Message-ID: <006301c38d1d$4aa1edc0$3700150a@guy>

Our association would like to provide our members access to a Mailman service.

We do not have the expertise in house to install and run the software.

Can you provide a list of companies that can provide us with access to secure Mailman on a remote basis?

Thanks in advance.


_____________________
Guy Skipworth
NABA
Tel: 416 598-9877 Ext. 16
www.nabanet.com

From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Wed Oct  8 23:21:36 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:21:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Clear Cache
In-Reply-To: <200310072025.h97KPvpT144960@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>
References: <200310072025.h97KPvpT144960@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <20031008212136.GD11940@hq.newdream.net>

On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 08:25:00PM +0000, Hostmaster wrote:

> On our maiden voyage, we were mass subscribing to our list when we
> realized it was sending the subscription message for each address.  We
> decided we did not want this, so we stopped the MTA.  Now, we have
> lots of unsent messages in the cache that we'd like to remove.  Does
> anyone happen to know how to clear the cache/queue?

Assuming you're talking about clearing messages that were queued by the
MTA, we'd need to know what MTA you're using.

-- 
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Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Oct  8 23:26:10 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:26:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin notifications for held messages
In-Reply-To: <20031008200501.GA23116@mail2.sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <094C94D7-F9D6-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 09:05  pm, Saurav Pathak wrote:

> hi,
>
> i am using mailman 2.1.1 and redhat 9.
>
> when the list admin receives a notification for a held message, the
> entire original mail is appended at the bottom.  how can this be  
> disabled,
> so that only the short and crisp notification is sent to the list
> admin?  i have looked at the admin webpages, Default.py and the FAQ,
> but did not see anything that could help me.
>

There is a patch available which when applied to MM source makes the  
inclusion of the original mail in the notification to the list admin a  
per-list option which can be set via the admin web GUI.

As it stands, the patch has to be applied to the Mailman source  
distribution and there are only versions for MM 2.1.2 and MM 2.1.3

That said, it will probably work with earlier versions of MM 2.1 or can  
be trivially adapted to work with them. The code changes themselves are  
really quite small and could be added by hand to an installed system if  
you really wanted to.

Take a look at the patch at the UR~L below, it is just a text file  
containing unified diff format and quite man readable:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/ 
?func=detail&aid=760567&group_id=103&atid=300103

> thanks for your help,
> saurav
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From rkpn at british-genealogy.com  Thu Oct  9 02:33:56 2003
From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:33:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting "nomail" by default?
Message-ID: <GZv+tYP0zKh$EA8+@neep.demon.co.uk>

Is it possible (in 2.1.1) to set up one of my lists so that all 
subscribers by default have their "nomail" flag set to not to receive 
mail?

I appreciate that this may at first appear to be silly, but I want to 
set up one of my lists to:

a. allow people to post messages, but not see each others' posts

b. have the system send an auto response, saying that we will deal
    with their query as soon as possible (we can do that in Mailman)

c. then one of our (several) staff reply to the query
    (i)  to the individual
    (ii) cc to the list so that *we* see when it has been dealt
         with by one of our team.

i.e. *we* receive mail posted to the list, but normal users don't.

Thanks
Rod





From saurav at sas.upenn.edu  Thu Oct  9 02:39:31 2003
From: saurav at sas.upenn.edu (Saurav Pathak)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:39:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin notifications for held messages
In-Reply-To: <094C94D7-F9D6-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <20031008200501.GA23116@mail2.sas.upenn.edu>
	<094C94D7-F9D6-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031009003931.GA15471@mail2.sas.upenn.edu>




Thus spake Richard Barrett:

+  As it stands, the patch has to be applied to the Mailman source  
+  distribution and there are only versions for MM 2.1.2 and MM 2.1.3
+  
+  That said, it will probably work with earlier versions of MM 2.1 or can  
+  be trivially adapted to work with them. The code changes themselves are  
+  really quite small and could be added by hand to an installed system if  
+  you really wanted to.

thanks for the patch.  i added the patch by hand, but got the
following error while trying to access the admin webpage:

--------------
Bug in Mailman version <undetermined>

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a
copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description
of what happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 114, in print_traceback
    from Mailman.mm_cfg import VERSION
ImportError: cannot import name VERSION
--------------

i donot understand why i should be getting this. 

instead of the patches in all the files, I decided to add it in the
Default.py alone.  With all the other files as they were, and only
the Default.py patched, i still get the error.  

saurav
ps: the patch i am applying is:

--------------
diff -r -u -P mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Defaults.py.in
mailman-2.1.2-mod/Mailman/Defaults.py.in
--- mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Defaults.py.in        Sun Apr 20 05:02:03 2003
+++ mailman-2.1.2-mod/Mailman/Defaults.py.in    Wed Jun 25 15:49:37 2003
@@ -934,7 +934,9 @@
 # Check for administrivia in messages sent to the main list?
 DEFAULT_ADMINISTRIVIA = Yes
 
-
+# Should the body of a message requiring moderation be included in the
+# request to the moderator(s)
+DEFAULT_MODERATE_INC_BODY = Yes
 ^L
 #####
 # Digestification defaults.  Same caveat applies here as with list defaults.
--------------



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Oct  9 03:38:25 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:38:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting "nomail" by default?
In-Reply-To: <GZv+tYP0zKh$EA8+@neep.demon.co.uk>
References: <GZv+tYP0zKh$EA8+@neep.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031009013825.GF3533@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Rod Neep wrote:
> Is it possible (in 2.1.1) to set up one of my lists so that all 
> subscribers by default have their "nomail" flag set to not to receive 
> mail?

I *think* that you'd need to use a withlist script to modify the lists
config.pck file, though be sure to look through all the admin pages to
make sure I'm not just overlooking a simple option someplace.

There was just a thread about setting a list to conceal a member by
default and I posted a withlist script to change the settings of a
list to do this, which would probably be usable for your purposes as
well since it takes an argument to set the default new member options
field.  Be sure to read the whole thread as the initial script I
posted had an error in it (showing my near total lack of python
skills).

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mailman-users&m=106531678312982&w=2

(BTW, Paul - I just looked at the General options for a list and
noticed that there is a "Conceal the member's address" in the section
for "Default options for new members joining this list."  Hehe, that
would have been much simpler than using a script to modify the list
config, I wish I'd have seen that before, though I'm glad to have
found an excuse to screw around with python a little.)

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From brncnsmr at comcast.net  Thu Oct  9 06:31:50 2003
From: brncnsmr at comcast.net (Brandon Ballheim)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:31:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating a simple subscriber interface
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAHSrQOFfPLEqoMY2X0A/pn8KAAAAQAAAAMtl5+0tGskaydMlNwNSa7AEAAAAA@comcast.net>

> Hi,
> 
> I'm looking to create a very simple user interface for my subscribers.  I
> am creating an Announcement mailing list. I want to keep it simple because
> I can't assume my users are very computer literate (think elderly
> grandmother type).  Specifically I'd like to do the following:
> 
> *	Create a simple web-base form for the user to subscribe/unsubscribe
> (requiring email address only). 
> I envision this would be a web form that would simply submit email to
> Mailman.  I'm using AspMail 3.0.
> 
> *	Eliminate the need for any subscriber configuration.  Also, thereby
> eliminate the need for passwords.
> 
> *	Could someone tell me where I could find some working samples (code
> samples) for an implementation like the one I described?
> 
> I'd greatly appreciate any advice you could offer!
> 
> Thank you for your time,
> 
> -brnll


From trollboy at shoggoth.net  Thu Oct  9 09:13:34 2003
From: trollboy at shoggoth.net (Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman)
Date: 09 Oct 2003 03:13:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman just died
Message-ID: <1065683617.10732.82.camel@cletus>

I'm getting the following error every second... anyone know of a fix..
it just started out of the blue..the list was working.  Its mailman
version 2.0.13

Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067): Traceback (most recent call last):
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):      kids = main(lock)
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 163, in
ParseMailCommands
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):      if (subject and
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067): IndexError :  list index out of
range

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From aryross at techie.com  Thu Oct  9 10:15:12 2003
From: aryross at techie.com (Aryeh Ross)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 03:15:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-naming list
Message-ID: <20031009081512.50831.qmail@mail.com>

Is there a way to change the name of the list without reloading the whole thing onto another list? ver 2.1.2

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From garycnew at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  9 11:08:05 2003
From: garycnew at yahoo.com (Gary C. New)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 03:08:05 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs Sympa
Message-ID: <bm38ke$8qh$1@sea.gmane.org>

I've been looking into implementing a mailing list package and I think 
I've narrowed them down to mailman or sympa.

I have a few questions regarding mailman and hope to find some answers here.

1.  What mail archiving software is recommend for use with mailman and 
how difficult would it be to drop into a template?

2.  What is the recommended search tool to use with mailman, other than 
htdig?

I would prefer using mailman, but sympa's integrated mail archiving and 
search functions are a great incentive (I do like sf's implementation of 
mailman and might consider it if its source was available to the community).

Thank you for your assistance.

Respectfully,


Gary





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct  9 13:32:30 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 09 Oct 2003 07:32:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs Sympa
In-Reply-To: <bm38ke$8qh$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <bm38ke$8qh$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1065699149.2613.7.camel@Anncons4>

On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 05:08, Gary C. New wrote:
> I've been looking into implementing a mailing list package and I think 
> I've narrowed them down to mailman or sympa.
> 
> I have a few questions regarding mailman and hope to find some answers here.
> 
> 1.  What mail archiving software is recommend for use with mailman and 
> how difficult would it be to drop into a template?
> 
Mhonarc works fine with Mailman and is fairly easy to template.  Mailman
comes with a simple archiver called Pipermail, but this is only adequate
for text-based archives.

> 2.  What is the recommended search tool to use with mailman, other than 
> htdig?

HTdig is it! Works fine and thanks to Richard, is tightly integrated
with Mailman and Pipermail.

Other search engines will work fine with Mailman.  Most search engines
are associated with the Archiver though, so you might want to look at
the FAQ's for Mhonarc.  You will find that HTdig is a heavy contender
there as well.
> 
> I would prefer using mailman, but sympa's integrated mail archiving and 
> search functions are a great incentive (I do like sf's implementation of 
> mailman and might consider it if its source was available to the community).
> 
Well, it's source is right out there for all to look at.  It's
OpenSource after all.

> Thank you for your assistance.
> 
> Respectfully,
> 
> 
> Gary

Good Luck!  I've been keeping an eye on Sympa myself, but I've always
gone with Mailman.  Partly because I know it inside out, but also
because the code is so well written and easy to modify.

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct  9 13:42:00 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 09 Oct 2003 07:42:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman just died
In-Reply-To: <1065683617.10732.82.camel@cletus>
References: <1065683617.10732.82.camel@cletus>
Message-ID: <1065699720.2613.15.camel@Anncons4>

Seems like it's looking at the subject line of a message in the queue
and failing.  Could be a corrupt Subject in a message, or a message
crafted by a bogus robot that spews out some bad characters on the
Subject line... 

I suggest that you look at the files in your Mailman queue and look at
the oldest queued file.  See if there is anything odd about the subject.
If so, then move that file out of the queue directory and see if that
frees up the rest of the queue to move on.

You might want to simply move all the files out of the queue and then
send some test messages through. If the test messages go through, then
you've found your problem.

ASIDE: I'm assuming here that you are using the default (unpatched)
install of Mailman 2.0.13.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 03:13, Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman wrote:
> I'm getting the following error every second... anyone know of a fix..
> it just started out of the blue..the list was working.  Its mailman
> version 2.0.13
> 
> Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067): Traceback (most recent call last):
> Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):   File
> "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
> Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):      kids = main(lock)
> Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):   File
> "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
> Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):      keepqueued =
> dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):   File
> "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
> Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
> Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):   File
> "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 163, in
> ParseMailCommands
> Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):      if (subject and
> Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067): IndexError :  list index out of
> range




From john at hytronix.com  Thu Oct  9 13:44:01 2003
From: john at hytronix.com (John E.P. Hynes)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 07:44:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail and mailman
Message-ID: <001601c38e5a$a1eb2950$020010ac@tatewaki>

Greetings,

Here's my issue:

Mailman is installed on a host which is an MX for two domains.

domain1 gets forwarded to another mail hub.
domain2 gets delivered locally, and there are no users except the mailman
aliases.

This mail host uses masquerade_as to rewrite outgoing addresses as domain1.

Therefore, if you subscibe to a list, using the web link to authorize the
subscription works fine, but hitting reply doesn't, as it'll go to
(mailman-alias)@domain1.com, which doesn't exist.

Does anyone know how to make sendmail NOT masquerade domain2 if it
originates from the relay host itself?

Thanks,

-John




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct  9 15:00:41 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 09 Oct 2003 09:00:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: ASCII encoding
	error: ordinal not in range
In-Reply-To: <r02000200-1028-9AF65510F9CC11D7AD5D000A95A0C78A@[10.0.1.40]>
References: <r02000200-1028-9AF65510F9CC11D7AD5D000A95A0C78A@[10.0.1.40]>
Message-ID: <1065704441.3869.4.camel@Anncons4>

I'm fairly certain that there is a patch that handles this problem, but
you might want to simply update to the latest version of Mailman.

I believe that problem is caused by a character that is out of range for
the expected values. The character is probably one used by a different
language.  Your particular problem occurs when trying to archive the
message.

You could simply remove the message from queue, or edit it to remove any
ascii characters that are out-of-range.

Best of Luck - Jon Carnes

BTW: you can search the archives for this list to find the patch and
other relevant information about this problem

On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 16:18, michael dunston wrote:
> For the second time in a few weeks, one of my lists has stopped
> delivering mail.  (Mailman 2.1.1 w/ sendmail) Can anyone possibly
> provide some ideas on what the error below might mean and how I might
> solve it?  Last time I ended up deleting and recreating the list as the
> solution.  Could this possibly be the result of a malformed message?  If
> so, is there a way to remove it without deleting everything?  Thanks in
> advance for any suggestions..
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Oct 07 18:44:48 2003 (485) Uncaught runner exception: 
>     ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)
> Oct 07 18:44:48 2003 (485) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, 
>     in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, 
>     in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, 
>     in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, 
>     in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in 
>     process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in 
>     send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in 
>     send_i18n_digests print >> plainmsg, msg.get_payload(decode=1)
>   UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)
> Oct 07 18:44:48 2003 (485) SHUNTING: 
>     1065566687.193175+42dca3e6bc6e314e2282610157cc69be07003f6c
> 
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From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Thu Oct  9 15:29:08 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 09:29:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
In-Reply-To: <F538B6B39EF3D311807C00508B6075130784F4CA@exbhlvmb03.us.dnb.com>
References: <F538B6B39EF3D311807C00508B6075130784F4CA@exbhlvmb03.us.dnb.com>
Message-ID: <3F8562A4.7010807@mitre.org>

Brian,

As you might guess, this is a FAQ.  See the Mailman FAQ and check out 
number 1.7.  Note that this also shows up as a FAQ in the INSTALL guide 
that comes with Mailman.

Ellis, Brian (CSC) wrote:
> Hello. I have installed and configured Mailman on a test Free-BSD server
> with Sendmail.  I've created some lists for testing but I can't send to
> them.  I received a NDR stating that the user is unknown.  What have I
> missed?

-- 

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From ben at videonetwork.org  Thu Oct  9 16:10:02 2003
From: ben at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards)
Date: 09 Oct 2003 15:10:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cant access public archive from the Net
Message-ID: <1065708602.1288.60.camel@red>

>From a Browser I am trying to find out how to access the public archive
for a list I created called bfm. The link the general list info page
says is 

http://lists.serverone.co.uk/pipermail/bfm/

But got a 'The requested URL /pipermail/bfm/ was not found on this
server.'. Had a look on the server and found

/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/bfm

Which seems to be the archive. I cant find any directory called
pipermail on the server.

So basically, how do I access the archive and is there something wrong
with the mailman setup (someone mentioned something about symbolic
links).

Ben

PS, I run a 'locate' on bfm and get:

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm.mbox

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm.mbox/bfm.mbox

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/index.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/index.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/000000.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/date.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/subject.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/author.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/thread.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/000001.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/000002.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/000003.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/000004.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June.txt

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003-June-author

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003-June-subject

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003-June-thread

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003-June-article

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003q3-author

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003q3-subject

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003q3-thread

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003q3-article

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003q3-date

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003-June-date

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/pipermail.pck

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June.txt.gz

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3/index.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3/000005.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3/date.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3/subject.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3/author.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3/thread.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3/000006.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3.txt

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3.txt.gz

/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/bfm

/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/bfm.mbox

/usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm

/usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/config.pck.last

/usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/request.db

/usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/config.pck

/usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/en

/usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/en/listinfo.html

/usr/local/mailman/data/heldmsg-bfm-1.pck


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From brnll at comcast.net  Thu Oct  9 06:29:27 2003
From: brnll at comcast.net (Brandon Ballheim)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:29:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating a simple subscriber interface
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAHSrQOFfPLEqoMY2X0A/pn8KAAAAQAAAAjgF3nAqF6UibuAeSZ/ysKQEAAAAA@comcast.net>

Hi,

I'm looking to create a very simple user interface for my subscribers.  I am
creating an Announcement mailing list. I want to keep it simple because I
can't assume my users are very computer literate (think elderly grandmother
type).  Specifically I'd like to do the following:

*	Create a simple web-base form for the user to subscribe/unsubscribe
(requiring email address only). 
I envision this would be a web form that would simply submit email to
Mailman.  I'm using AspMail 3.0.

*	Eliminate the need for any subscriber configuration.  Also, thereby
eliminate the need for passwords.

*	Could someone tell me where I could find some working samples (code
samples) for an implementation like the one I described?

I'd greatly appreciate any advice you could offer!

Thank you for your time,

-brnll


From trollboy at shoggoth.net  Thu Oct  9 09:11:43 2003
From: trollboy at shoggoth.net (Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman)
Date: 09 Oct 2003 03:11:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman just died
Message-ID: <1065683506.22855.79.camel@cletus>

I'm getting the following error every second... anyone know of a fix..
it just started out of the blue..the list was working.  Its mailman
version 2.0.13

Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067): Traceback (most recent call last):
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):      kids = main(lock)
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 163, in
ParseMailCommands
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067):      if (subject and
Oct 09 01:00:01 2003 qrunner(59067): IndexError :  list index out of
range

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From tech at bdsmrealm.net  Thu Oct  9 00:04:15 2003
From: tech at bdsmrealm.net (Realm Tech service)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:04:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom mailing list subscription
Message-ID: <oprwqvld0bxlxjof@mail.bdsmrealm.net>



Hello,

we are the managers of the BDSMrealm website (www.bdsmrealm.net).

The whole site is a customisation of PHP-NUKE (v.5.6).

We offer free web services for regional groups.
http://www.bdsmrealm.net/modules.php?name=Network
We need to offer them also a mailing list service per group.

Our ISP provides Mailman 2.1.2: we need to customize some basic 
administrative functions: e.g. user subsctiption/removal/promotion to have 
them working inside our php pages.

For example: when a new user joins a group, we also need to add his email 
address to the group mailing list without leaving our pages.

Given that we are totally new to Pyton, can someone give us some hints?

Thanks in advance.

- Stefano Re -
- DooM -



From oli at edal.net  Thu Oct  9 15:31:54 2003
From: oli at edal.net (Oli)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:31:54 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Icelandic
Message-ID: <000a01c38e69$b64ee580$6801a8c0@logmannastofan.is>

Hi,
I have been trying to find out if anyone has translated Mailman to
Icelandic. If that is not the case, what is involved in taking on such a
task?

Kind regards,

Olafur Gardarsson
Iceland




From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 18:41:07 2003
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:41:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cant access public archive from the Net
In-Reply-To: <1065708602.1288.60.camel@red>
Message-ID: <6151385C-FA77-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>


On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 03:10  pm, Ben Edwards wrote:

>> From a Browser I am trying to find out how to access the public  
>> archive
> for a list I created called bfm. The link the general list info page
> says is
>
> http://lists.serverone.co.uk/pipermail/bfm/
>
> But got a 'The requested URL /pipermail/bfm/ was not found on this
> server.'. Had a look on the server and found
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/bfm
>
> Which seems to be the archive. I cant find any directory called
> pipermail on the server.
>

It may be that you have failed to put an Alias directive for pipermail  
in your web server's httpd.conf file as described in the INSTAL file in  
your Mailman build directory, assuming you installed from source.

> So basically, how do I access the archive and is there something wrong
> with the mailman setup (someone mentioned something about symbolic
> links).
>
> Ben
>
> PS, I run a 'locate' on bfm and get:
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm.mbox
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm.mbox/bfm.mbox
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/index.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/index.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/000000.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/date.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/subject.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/author.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/thread.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/000001.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/000002.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/000003.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June/000004.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June.txt
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003-June-author
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003-June-subject
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003-June-thread
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003-June-article
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003q3-author
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003q3-subject
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003q3-thread
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003q3-article
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003q3-date
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/database/2003-June-date
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/pipermail.pck
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003-June.txt.gz
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3/index.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3/000005.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3/date.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3/subject.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3/author.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3/thread.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3/000006.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3.txt
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm/2003q3.txt.gz
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/bfm
>
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/bfm.mbox
>
> /usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm
>
> /usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/config.pck.last
>
> /usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/request.db
>
> /usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/config.pck
>
> /usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/en
>
> /usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/en/listinfo.html
>
> /usr/local/mailman/data/heldmsg-bfm-1.pck
>
>
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From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 18:43:34 2003
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:43:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs Sympa
In-Reply-To: <bm38ke$8qh$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <B914178B-FA77-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>


On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 10:08  am, Gary C. New wrote:

> I've been looking into implementing a mailing list package and I think  
> I've narrowed them down to mailman or sympa.
>
> I have a few questions regarding mailman and hope to find some answers  
> here.
>
> 1.  What mail archiving software is recommend for use with mailman and  
> how difficult would it be to drop into a template?
>

Mailman has its own built-in/integrated archiver: pipermail. Not  
perfect but quite adequate for many list's needs. In MM 2.1.x,  
templates for archive page generation can be readily tailored for site,  
virtual host and specific list needs.

As a companion to pipermail, you can use MHonArc or any other HTML  
generating archiver of your choice in a  loosely coupled fashion.

I have published on sourceforge, a patch for MM 2.1.3 which tightly  
integrates MHonArc with MM/pipermail and allows, amongst other things,  
per-list choice of pipermail or MHonArc for HTML archive index and  
message page generation, with pipermail providing top level control of  
archiving. The patch is currently available here:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/ 
?func=detail&aid=820723&group_id=103&atid=300103

http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/mhonarc/index.html

> 2.  What is the recommended search tool to use with mailman, other  
> than htdig?
>

The only tightly integrated search engine for MM is currently htdig,  
using patches published on sourceforge. For an example of its use visit  
the following URL, although this is running MM 2.0.13, a fairly old  
verion of MM and the htdig integration patch

http://dotgnu.org/pipermail/developers/

If all your lists a public then you can configure the search engine of  
your choice to index the archive HTML pages. Take a look at the  
following FAQ page for more info:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp

> I would prefer using mailman, but sympa's integrated mail archiving  
> and search functions are a great incentive (I do like sf's  
> implementation of mailman and might consider it if its source was  
> available to the community).
>

If I understand it right, Sympa also uses MHonArc for generating HTML  
archive pages.

> Thank you for your assistance.
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
> Gary




From saurav at sas.upenn.edu  Thu Oct  9 18:55:23 2003
From: saurav at sas.upenn.edu (Saurav Pathak)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin notifications for held messages
In-Reply-To: <20031009003931.GA15471@mail2.sas.upenn.edu>
References: <20031008200501.GA23116@mail2.sas.upenn.edu>
	<094C94D7-F9D6-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<20031009003931.GA15471@mail2.sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <20031009165523.GA17982@mail2.sas.upenn.edu>

i am still struggling to find out what caused the error.  after all
i have just added one line to Default.py.  why should it complain
about the version number?  i would appreciate it if someone could
give me some pointers.

anyway, this would be a nice feature in mailman.  i hope it will no
longer be a patch in the next version.

thanks,
saurav



Thus spake Saurav Pathak:

+  
+  
+  
+  Thus spake Richard Barrett:
+  
+  +  As it stands, the patch has to be applied to the Mailman source  
+  +  distribution and there are only versions for MM 2.1.2 and MM 2.1.3
+  +  
+  +  That said, it will probably work with earlier versions of MM 2.1 or can  
+  +  be trivially adapted to work with them. The code changes themselves are  
+  +  really quite small and could be added by hand to an installed system if  
+  +  you really wanted to.
+  
+  thanks for the patch.  i added the patch by hand, but got the
+  following error while trying to access the admin webpage:
+  
+  --------------
+  Bug in Mailman version <undetermined>
+  
+  We're sorry, we hit a bug!
+  
+  If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a
+  copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description
+  of what happened. Thanks!
+  Traceback:
+  
+  Traceback (most recent call last):
+    File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 114, in print_traceback
+      from Mailman.mm_cfg import VERSION
+  ImportError: cannot import name VERSION
+  --------------
+  
+  i donot understand why i should be getting this. 
+  
+  instead of the patches in all the files, I decided to add it in the
+  Default.py alone.  With all the other files as they were, and only
+  the Default.py patched, i still get the error.  
+  
+  saurav
+  ps: the patch i am applying is:
+  
+  --------------
+  diff -r -u -P mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Defaults.py.in
+  mailman-2.1.2-mod/Mailman/Defaults.py.in
+  --- mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Defaults.py.in        Sun Apr 20 05:02:03 2003
+  +++ mailman-2.1.2-mod/Mailman/Defaults.py.in    Wed Jun 25 15:49:37 2003
+  @@ -934,7 +934,9 @@
+   # Check for administrivia in messages sent to the main list?
+   DEFAULT_ADMINISTRIVIA = Yes
+   
+  -
+  +# Should the body of a message requiring moderation be included in the
+  +# request to the moderator(s)
+  +DEFAULT_MODERATE_INC_BODY = Yes
+   ^L
+   #####
+   # Digestification defaults.  Same caveat applies here as with list defaults.
+  --------------
+  
+  ------------------------------------------------------
+  Mailman-Users mailing list
+  Mailman-Users at python.org
+  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
+  Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
+  Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
+  
+  This message was sent to: saurav at sas.upenn.edu
+  Unsubscribe or change your options at
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-- 
saurav



From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Oct  9 19:12:42 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:12:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Learning is never a waste of time ... 
In-Reply-To: <E1A7awG-000590-RO@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A7awG-000590-RO@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031009120950.01eabce8@mail.thcwd.com>

Todd wrote:
>(BTW, Paul - I just looked at the General options for a list and
>noticed that there is a "Conceal the member's address" in the section
>for "Default options for new members joining this list."  Hehe, that
>would have been much simpler than using a script to modify the list
>config, I wish I'd have seen that before, though I'm glad to have
>found an excuse to screw around with python a little.)

      I saw that myself a day or two after I ran your little fix.  But hey, 
I learned a bit more about Mailman.  Besides, now lists are created with 
the default that will be most common for my lists.  More importantly, your 
script will be used by countless others for other tasks.


<>< Paul, who apparently defines countless as more than one 




From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Oct  9 20:08:38 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:08:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: cant access public archive from the Net
In-Reply-To: <E1A7dF3-0003MC-Mz@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A7dF3-0003MC-Mz@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031009125324.04288558@mail.thcwd.com>

Ben Edwards wrote:
> From a Browser I am trying to find out how to access the public archive
>for a list I created called bfm. The link the general list info page
>says is
>
>http://lists.serverone.co.uk/pipermail/bfm/
>
>But got a 'The requested URL /pipermail/bfm/ was not found on this
>server.'. Had a look on the server and found
>
>/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/bfm

      I'm still getting a log in for a private archive at 
http://lists.serverone.co.uk/mailman/private/bfm .  It can't be both, and 
something still lives there.  This also shows up in your locate results, 
lots of stuff under the private/bfm .

>Which seems to be the archive. I cant find any directory called
>pipermail on the server.

      And you won't - it's a virtual directory created when the virtual 
files are created.  What is in /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/bfm 
should show up on-line as http://lists.serverone.co.uk/pipermail/bfm .  I 
suspect you have wrong aliases set in /etc/aliases.  You need to remove the 
aliases for the private archive, add the ones for the public archive, and 
probably run `newaliases' .  I don't know if it matters, but I'd remove the 
old list completely (from the web or the command line) before changing the 
aliases.  As I recall removing a list does not by default remove the 
archives, so you could move the archives to the public list if you want.
      I also wonder how you were able to create a new list with the same 
name as an existing list?  Maybe it did not create it, and you need to 
remove the old one, create the new one, then do the aliases.


<>< Paul 




From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Oct  9 20:14:06 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:14:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Creating a simple subscriber interface
In-Reply-To: <E1A7dF3-0003MC-Mz@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A7dF3-0003MC-Mz@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031009125423.04290a28@mail.thcwd.com>

Brandon Ballheim wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm looking to create a very simple user interface for my subscribers.  I am
>creating an Announcement mailing list. I want to keep it simple because I
>can't assume my users are very computer literate (think elderly grandmother
>type).  Specifically I'd like to do the following:
>
>*       Create a simple web-base form for the user to subscribe/unsubscribe
>(requiring email address only).
>I envision this would be a web form that would simply submit email to
>Mailman.  I'm using AspMail 3.0.

      I use a highly modifies version of Matts FormMail script 
<http://www.scriptarchive.com/formmail.html> to send mail from a web page 
to Mailman on the same server.  I think this could work for you.

>*       Eliminate the need for any subscriber configuration.  Also, thereby
>eliminate the need for passwords.

      I think you can do this by careful tweaking of the settings.  I don't 
know that removing the confirmation e-mail is going to be easy, but then 
you might want to keep that anyway.  You should be able to edit what is in 
that e-mail to remove any reference to password.  Make sure you give clear 
unsub by e-mail directions.

>*       Could someone tell me where I could find some working samples (code
>samples) for an implementation like the one I described?

I'm going to need something like this myself down the road, I'll post it 
when I do it if no one else offerers anything.  But it may be a good while.


<>< Paul 

From espiritu at cacities.org  Thu Oct  9 20:20:35 2003
From: espiritu at cacities.org (Roger Espiritu)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:20:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to export the list of subscribers in a list?
Message-ID: <783E96D4142B9548B92E59451AD42B37E1F259@lcc2.cacities.org>

Can anyone tell me how to export a list of all subscribers of a listServ
into excel or txt?
 
 -Roger
 
R o g e r  E s p i r i t u
Webmaster / IT Analyst
League of California Cities
9 1 6 . 6 5 8 . 8 2 6 8
webmaster at cacities.org <mailto:webmaster at cacities.org> 
www.cacities.org <http://www.cacities.org/> 

 


From che at debian.org  Thu Oct  9 20:28:54 2003
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:28:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Icelandic
In-Reply-To: <000a01c38e69$b64ee580$6801a8c0@logmannastofan.is>
References: <000a01c38e69$b64ee580$6801a8c0@logmannastofan.is>
Message-ID: <3F85A8E6.4050406@debian.org>

Oli wrote:

>Hi,
>I have been trying to find out if anyone has translated Mailman to
>Icelandic. If that is not the case, what is involved in taking on such a
>task?
>  
>

Olafur,

Thanks for writing!  There is an active Mailman internationalization 
effort going on right now, but I don't believe there is an Icelandic 
translation in progress yet.

You should read the Mailman i18n page:

http://www.list.org/i18n.html

and join the Mailman i18n list:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-i18n

It'd be great if you could mail the i18n list and let everyone know 
you're interested in starting an Icelandic translation!

Thanks for your efforts.

Ben Gertzfield





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 20:34:47 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:34:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin notifications for held messages
In-Reply-To: <20031009165523.GA17982@mail2.sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <42A2C932-FA87-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 05:55  pm, Saurav Pathak wrote:

> i am still struggling to find out what caused the error.  after all
> i have just added one line to Default.py.  why should it complain
> about the version number?  i would appreciate it if someone could
> give me some pointers.
>

I have been rather busy today at my paid job hence not earlier response.

I tried applying the patch I suggested to you to a freshly extracted MM 
2.1.1 distribution and  got the following terminal output. When you 
tried using the patch did you get a result like this?

bash-2.05a$ zcat distributions/mailman-2.1.1.tgz | tar xf -
bash-2.05a$ mv mailman-2.1.1 mailman-2.1.1-mod
bash-2.05a$ cd mailman-2.1.1-mod/
bash-2.05a$ patch -p1 < ../patches/current/modinc-2.1.3-0.1.patch
patching file Mailman/Defaults.py.in
Hunk #1 succeeded at 921 with fuzz 2 (offset -18 lines).
patching file Mailman/Gui/General.py
patching file Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py
Hunk #1 succeeded at 268 (offset -1 lines).
patching file Mailman/MailList.py
Hunk #1 succeeded at 314 (offset -14 lines).
patching file Mailman/Version.py
bash-2.05a$

This indicates the patch applied OK. The offsets are due to other 
differences in the files but do not invalidate the patch.

Looking at the files changed the patch has applied OK.

As regards the problem you are having after applying the patch, I think 
is because the lines defining values for the variables True, False, 
Yes, No, On and Off do not appear in the Defaults.py.in of MM 2.1.1 
source code; they are in the MM 2.1.2 and MM 2.1.3 source.

Try changing the line in the patch from:

DEFAULT_MODERATE_INC_BODY = Yes

to:

DEFAULT_MODERATE_INC_BODY = 1

> anyway, this would be a nice feature in mailman.  i hope it will no
> longer be a patch in the next version.
>
> thanks,
> saurav
>
>
>
> Thus spake Saurav Pathak:
>
> +
> +
> +
> +  Thus spake Richard Barrett:
> +
> +  +  As it stands, the patch has to be applied to the Mailman source
> +  +  distribution and there are only versions for MM 2.1.2 and MM 
> 2.1.3
> +  +
> +  +  That said, it will probably work with earlier versions of MM 2.1 
> or can
> +  +  be trivially adapted to work with them. The code changes 
> themselves are
> +  +  really quite small and could be added by hand to an installed 
> system if
> +  +  you really wanted to.
> +
> +  thanks for the patch.  i added the patch by hand, but got the
> +  following error while trying to access the admin webpage:
> +
> +  --------------
> +  Bug in Mailman version <undetermined>
> +
> +  We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> +
> +  If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a
> +  copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description
> +  of what happened. Thanks!
> +  Traceback:
> +
> +  Traceback (most recent call last):
> +    File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 114, in print_traceback
> +      from Mailman.mm_cfg import VERSION
> +  ImportError: cannot import name VERSION
> +  --------------
> +
> +  i donot understand why i should be getting this.
> +
> +  instead of the patches in all the files, I decided to add it in the
> +  Default.py alone.  With all the other files as they were, and only
> +  the Default.py patched, i still get the error.
> +
> +  saurav
> +  ps: the patch i am applying is:
> +
> +  --------------
> +  diff -r -u -P mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Defaults.py.in
> +  mailman-2.1.2-mod/Mailman/Defaults.py.in
> +  --- mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/Defaults.py.in        Sun Apr 20 05:02:03 
> 2003
> +  +++ mailman-2.1.2-mod/Mailman/Defaults.py.in    Wed Jun 25 15:49:37 
> 2003
> +  @@ -934,7 +934,9 @@
> +   # Check for administrivia in messages sent to the main list?
> +   DEFAULT_ADMINISTRIVIA = Yes
> +
> +  -
> +  +# Should the body of a message requiring moderation be included in 
> the
> +  +# request to the moderator(s)
> +  +DEFAULT_MODERATE_INC_BODY = Yes
> +   ^L
> +   #####
> +   # Digestification defaults.  Same caveat applies here as with list 
> defaults.
> +  --------------
> -- 
> saurav
>
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Thu Oct  9 20:36:55 2003
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:36:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] character encoding error
Message-ID: <8ECF4078-FA87-11D7-8D5E-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>

When I updated to 2.1.3 I immediately had problems with Japanese 
language password reminders causing errors, but I applied the patch 
provided by Tokio Kikuchi and those went away. Since then, however, 
every time I receive a post that includes an unusual (for English) 
character -- ?, 1/2 (as one character), anything with an umlaut, etc -- 
the following error message is generated:

> Oct 09 08:04:51 2003 (449) Uncaught runner exception: 'NoneType' 
> object has no attribute 'lower'
> Oct 09 08:04:51 2003 (449) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in 
> _dispose
>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in 
> _dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 90, in 
> process
>     send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in 
> send_digests
>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 373, in 
> send_i18n_digests
>     rfc1153msg.set_payload(plainmsg.getvalue(), lcset)
>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 224, in 
> set_payload
>     self.set_charset(charset)
>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 262, in 
> set_charset
>     cte(self)
>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Encoders.py", line 88, in 
> encode_7or8bit
>     charset = msg.get_charset().output_charset.lower()
> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'lower'
>
> Oct 09 08:04:51 2003 (449) SHUNTING: 
> 1065704690.3426059+c2b29a13c674529127a4c79472d3c58829f5937c

Unfortunately, every message received after the offending one is also 
shunted, and cron/senddigests also produces the same error message. A 
quick look at the digest.mbox shows one character that appears in pico 
as a black diamond with a question mark in it. If I replace that with 
an approximation without a diacritical and save the mbox, then I can 
run /cron/senddigests and unshunt successfully.

Any ideas?

DP




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 22:23:30 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:23:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/pipermail/MHonArc integration patch
Message-ID: <7273BB74-FA96-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

I have posted a new enhancement patch for MM 2.1.3 to sourceforge.

The Mailman/pipermail/MHonArc integration patch tightly integrates the  
MHonArc mail-to-HTML convertor with Mailman and its internal pipermail  
archiving code.

The purpose of the patch is to produce a fusion of (hopefully) the best  
features of pipermail and MHonArc for handling Mailman mailing list  
archives.

For more detail see patch content:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/ 
?func=detail&aid=820723&group_id=103&atid=300103

or:

http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/mhonarc/index.html

Any problems or comments, let me know.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From j.list at blueboxdev.com  Fri Oct 10 02:01:11 2003
From: j.list at blueboxdev.com (Jesse Williams-Proudman)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:01:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sample Log
Message-ID: <BBAB44D7.3997E%j.list@blueboxdev.com>

Could some one send me a sample log so I could run these stats tools that
were posted to the list on them so I can see if this will for me?  I would
really appreciate it!  Or if some one just wants to show me a sample of
their stats, that would work as well.

Thanks

-- 
           Jesse Williams-Proudman
Blue Box Development :: Custom Web Solutions
     +1.206.778.8777 :: jesse at blueboxdev.com




From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Oct 10 03:31:30 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:31:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription form
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031009202209.042f1280@mail.themarriagebed.com>

      At some point today as I trudged through the paying job, I realized I 
was about to recreate the wheel on the subscription form.  The following is 
mostly stolen from the subscription form on the list information page.  Set 
your server and list name and you are ready to go.  I've not done much 
formatting as I will slice and dice it to fit my situation, so pretty it up 
as you like.
      The only required form elements are the opening tag (with action), 
e-mail input, send and closing form tag.  I've got one running now with 
just this much and it works fine.  I'm running it on a virtual domain on 
the same server as Mailman - not sure if running it on another server would 
be a problem or not, depends on security issues.
      The result of sending is that you go to the same page you get when 
you subscribe from the list info page.  This means you get a confirmation 
e-mail (prevents someone from subbing others) and have to follow that 
route.  Edit the results page and confirmation page to fit your needs.

      One question, anyone know if No Mail be giving as an option here?  I 
have not hacked the subscription script to see if it has code for that.

<!-- cut and paste --

<hr ALIGN="center" WIDTH="730"><br>
<H2><B>Join the XYZ list</b></H2>
<FORM Method=POST ACTION="SERVER/mailman/subscribe/LISTNAME"><br>
Your E-mail address: <INPUT type="Text" name="email" size="30" value=""><br>
Your Name (optional): <INPUT type="Text" name="fullname" size="30" 
value=""><br><br>
You may enter a privacy password below. This provides only mild security, 
but should<br>
prevent others from messing with your subscription.  <b>Do not use a 
valuable password</b> as it<br>
will occasionally be emailed back to you in cleartext.<br><br>
If you choose not to enter a password, one will be automatically generated 
for you, and it will<br>
be sent to you once you've confirmed your subscription.  You can always 
request a mail-back<br>
of your password when you edit your personal options.<br><br>
Password choice: <INPUT type="Password" name="pw" size="15"><BR>
Confirm Password: <INPUT type="Password" name="pw-conf" size="15"><BR><BR>
Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? (You may 
choose NoMail after you join.)<BR><br>
<input type=radio name="digest" value="0" CHECKED> No <input type=radio 
name="digest" value="1">  Yes<br><br>
<INPUT type="Submit" name="email-button" value="Subscribe">
<p><p>
<hr ALIGN="center" WIDTH="730">

end  -->

<>< Paul 




From ben at videonetwork.org  Fri Oct 10 03:44:29 2003
From: ben at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards)
Date: 10 Oct 2003 02:44:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: cant access public archive from the Net
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031009125324.04288558@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <E1A7dF3-0003MC-Mz@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031009125324.04288558@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <1065750269.3866.6.camel@red>

>       I'm still getting a log in for a private archive at 
> http://lists.serverone.co.uk/mailman/private/bfm .  It can't be both, and 
> something still lives there.  This also shows up in your locate results, 
> lots of stuff under the private/bfm .

I guess the list was set up, some mail was sent whan the archive was
private, I made it public and more email was sent.  However I seem to
remember the lists are public by default so this seems unlickly.

> 
> >Which seems to be the archive. I cant find any directory called
> >pipermail on the server.
> 
>       And you won't - it's a virtual directory created when the virtual 
> files are created.  What is in /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/bfm 
> should show up on-line as http://lists.serverone.co.uk/pipermail/bfm .  I 
> suspect you have wrong aliases set in /etc/aliases.  You need to remove the 
> aliases for the private archive, add the ones for the public archive, and 
> probably run `newaliases' .  I don't know if it matters, but I'd remove the 
> old list completely (from the web or the command line) before changing the 
> aliases.  As I recall removing a list does not by default remove the 
> archives, so you could move the archives to the public list if you want.
>       I also wonder how you were able to create a new list with the same 
> name as an existing list?  Maybe it did not create it, and you need to 
> remove the old one, create the new one, then do the aliases.

Didn't realise public and private lists had different /etc/aliases,
anyway here are the bfm ones:-

## bfm mailing list
bfm:              "|/etc/smrsh/mailman post bfm"
bfm-admin:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman admin bfm"
bfm-bounces:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman bounces bfm"
bfm-confirm:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman confirm bfm"
bfm-join:         "|/etc/smrsh/mailman join bfm"
bfm-leave:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman leave bfm"
bfm-owner:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman owner bfm"
bfm-request:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman request bfm"


Also here is what is in /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/bfm

[ben at oak ben]$ ls -l /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/bfm
lrwxrwxrwx    1 apache   mailman        39 Sep 25 14:27
/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/bfm ->
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bfm
[ben at oak ben]$ cd /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/bfm
[ben at oak bfm]$ ls -l
total 40
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Jun 27 14:26 2003-June
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      4436 Jun 27 14:26 2003-June.txt
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      1236 Jun 28 03:27 2003-June.txt.gz
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Sep 25 11:21 2003q3
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      2696 Sep 25 11:21 2003q3.txt
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman       951 Sep 26 03:27 2003q3.txt.gz
drwxrws---    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Sep 25 11:21 database
-rw-rw-rw-    1 apache   mailman      1530 Sep 25 11:21 index.html
-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman       846 Sep 25 11:21 pipermail.pck

Regards,
Ben


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* Bristol Indymedia               http://bristol.indymedia.org *
* Bristol's radical news             http://www.bristle.org.uk *
****************************************************************




From ben at videonetwork.org  Fri Oct 10 03:58:10 2003
From: ben at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards)
Date: 10 Oct 2003 02:58:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cant access public archive from the Net
In-Reply-To: <6151385C-FA77-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
References: <6151385C-FA77-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1065751090.3864.21.camel@red>

> It may be that you have failed to put an Alias directive for pipermail  
> in your web server's httpd.conf file as described in the INSTAL file in  
> your Mailman build directory, assuming you installed from source.

Not sure weather it was built from source as I did not set it up. 

Found a directory that looks like it was were it was installed from and
an INSTAL file.            

The only reference to httpd.config is:

"If you're using Apache, check the values for the `Group' option in your
httpd.conf file."

Any chance of some more specific pointers?

Regards,
ben

-- 
****************************************************************
* Ben Edwards           Tel +44 (0)1179 553 551  ICQ 42000477  *
* Homepage - nothing of interest here   http://gurtlush.org.uk *
* Webhosting for the masses         http://www.serverone.co.uk *
* Critical Site Builder    http://www.criticaldistribution.com *
* online collaborative web authoring content management system *
* Get alt news/views films online   http://www.cultureshop.org *
* i-Contact Progressive Video      http://www.videonetwork.org *
* Fun corporate graphics             http://www.subvertise.org *
* Bristol Indymedia               http://bristol.indymedia.org *
* Bristol's radical news             http://www.bristle.org.uk *
****************************************************************




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Fri Oct 10 04:16:00 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:16:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cant access public archive from the Net
In-Reply-To: <1065751090.3864.21.camel@red>
References: <6151385C-FA77-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
	<1065751090.3864.21.camel@red>
Message-ID: <20031010021600.GM3533@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Ben Edwards wrote:
> Not sure weather it was built from source as I did not set it up. 

You might want to consult the person that installed it to see if
they've done something strange on purpose or if they just forgot some
of the installation steps.

> Any chance of some more specific pointers?

Read the entire INSTALL file, it sounds like you're going to need to
be familiar with it so you can explain how to setup mailman to
whomever was supposed to have done that.  :)

Search for pipermail in the INSTALL file.  There are examples of the
directives you would add for an Apache web server.  I have these for
my webserver:

    ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
    Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
    <Directory /var/mailman/archives>
        Options +FollowSymlinks
    </Directory>

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his
ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic.
    -- H. L. Mencken

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct 10 05:15:50 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 09 Oct 2003 23:15:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail and mailman
In-Reply-To: <001601c38e5a$a1eb2950$020010ac@tatewaki>
References: <001601c38e5a$a1eb2950$020010ac@tatewaki>
Message-ID: <1065755750.4427.157.camel@Anncons4>

This is a classic case for using the Generics table for Sendmail.
http://www.sendmail.org/virtual-hosting.html

On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 07:44, John E.P. Hynes wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> Here's my issue:
> 
> Mailman is installed on a host which is an MX for two domains.
> 
> domain1 gets forwarded to another mail hub.
> domain2 gets delivered locally, and there are no users except the mailman
> aliases.
> 
> This mail host uses masquerade_as to rewrite outgoing addresses as domain1.
> 
> Therefore, if you subscibe to a list, using the web link to authorize the
> subscription works fine, but hitting reply doesn't, as it'll go to
> (mailman-alias)@domain1.com, which doesn't exist.
> 
> Does anyone know how to make sendmail NOT masquerade domain2 if it
> originates from the relay host itself?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -John
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From AllKnightAccess at aol.com  Fri Oct 10 05:17:12 2003
From: AllKnightAccess at aol.com (AllKnightAccess at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:17:12 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Total Member Count
Message-ID: <174.2157132b.2cb77eb8@aol.com>

Is there a way to display the total member count for each mailing list on the 
list admin overview and the mailing list overview pages (without having to 
login), similiar to how the list name and description is already displayed?



From brncnsmr at comcast.net  Fri Oct 10 05:49:13 2003
From: brncnsmr at comcast.net (Brandon Ballheim)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:49:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription form
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031009202209.042f1280@mail.themarriagebed.com>
Message-ID: <000001c38ee1$7dac3750$6701a8c0@branbhmd>

Paul,

Thank you for this valuable sample!  This certainly helps!

I understand the necessity for giving subscribers a password, but I'm
worried that dealing with a configuration page might scare some of the less
computer/internet literate off from using the list. Could I create a
subscriber user interface that could be used for confirmation of the Mailman
list that is simple (i.e. with out configuration features)?  I'm just
creating a Announcement mailing list -- subscribers don't need to
communicate with each other.

If anyone knows about implementing "No Mail" in a form that would be great!

Thank you very much for your time,

-Brandon

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+brncnsmr=comcast.net at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+brncnsmr=comcast.net at python.org] On Behalf Of
Paul H Byerly
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 6:32 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription form


      At some point today as I trudged through the paying job, I realized I 
was about to recreate the wheel on the subscription form.  The following is 
mostly stolen from the subscription form on the list information page.  Set 
your server and list name and you are ready to go.  I've not done much 
formatting as I will slice and dice it to fit my situation, so pretty it up 
as you like.
      The only required form elements are the opening tag (with action), 
e-mail input, send and closing form tag.  I've got one running now with 
just this much and it works fine.  I'm running it on a virtual domain on 
the same server as Mailman - not sure if running it on another server would 
be a problem or not, depends on security issues.
      The result of sending is that you go to the same page you get when 
you subscribe from the list info page.  This means you get a confirmation 
e-mail (prevents someone from subbing others) and have to follow that 
route.  Edit the results page and confirmation page to fit your needs.

      One question, anyone know if No Mail be giving as an option here?  I 
have not hacked the subscription script to see if it has code for that.

<!-- cut and paste --

<hr ALIGN="center" WIDTH="730"><br>
<H2><B>Join the XYZ list</b></H2>
<FORM Method=POST ACTION="SERVER/mailman/subscribe/LISTNAME"><br>
Your E-mail address: <INPUT type="Text" name="email" size="30" value=""><br>
Your Name (optional): <INPUT type="Text" name="fullname" size="30" 
value=""><br><br>
You may enter a privacy password below. This provides only mild security, 
but should<br>
prevent others from messing with your subscription.  <b>Do not use a 
valuable password</b> as it<br>
will occasionally be emailed back to you in cleartext.<br><br> If you choose
not to enter a password, one will be automatically generated 
for you, and it will<br>
be sent to you once you've confirmed your subscription.  You can always 
request a mail-back<br>
of your password when you edit your personal options.<br><br> Password
choice: <INPUT type="Password" name="pw" size="15"><BR> Confirm Password:
<INPUT type="Password" name="pw-conf" size="15"><BR><BR> Would you like to
receive list mail batched in a daily digest? (You may 
choose NoMail after you join.)<BR><br>
<input type=radio name="digest" value="0" CHECKED> No <input type=radio 
name="digest" value="1">  Yes<br><br>
<INPUT type="Submit" name="email-button" value="Subscribe"> <p><p> <hr
ALIGN="center" WIDTH="730">

end  -->

<>< Paul 


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From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Oct 10 06:49:29 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:49:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Subscription form
In-Reply-To: <E1A7oL3-0004aJ-EN@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A7oL3-0004aJ-EN@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031009233731.042d9d78@mail.thcwd.com>

Brandon Ballheim wrote:
>I understand the necessity for giving subscribers a password, but I'm
>worried that dealing with a configuration page might scare some of the less
>computer/internet literate off from using the list. Could I create a
>subscriber user interface that could be used for confirmation of the Mailman
>list that is simple (i.e. with out configuration features)?  I'm just
>creating a Announcement mailing list -- subscribers don't need to
>communicate with each other.

      I'd look at hacking the 'Welcome to the "foobar" list' e-mail.  If 
you don't show them the configuration page, they won't go there.  I've not 
dealt with that file, but as it's in templates it should be easy.  You will 
find the original in <prefix>/mailman/templates/en/subscribeack.txt  . Copy 
that to the en directory (you many have to create it) of the list ( 
<prefix>/mailman/lists/<LISTNAME>/en) and modify as needed.  Restart 
mailman, and away you go.


<>< Paul 




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Oct 10 10:44:47 2003
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:44:47 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] character encoding error
In-Reply-To: <8ECF4078-FA87-11D7-8D5E-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
References: <8ECF4078-FA87-11D7-8D5E-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <3F86717F.3090809@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

Please apply this patch to <prefix>/pythonlib/email AFTER installing
Japanese patched mailman.
http://mm.tkikuchi.net/email.patch.20031001

ie,
% cd <prefix>/pythonlib
% patch -p0 < /path/to/email.patch.20031001

Good Luck,

Dan Phillips wrote:
> When I updated to 2.1.3 I immediately had problems with Japanese 
> language password reminders causing errors, but I applied the patch 
> provided by Tokio Kikuchi and those went away. Since then, however, 
> every time I receive a post that includes an unusual (for English) 
> character -- ?, 1/2 (as one character), anything with an umlaut, etc -- 
> the following error message is generated:
> 
>> Oct 09 08:04:51 2003 (449) Uncaught runner exception: 'NoneType' 
>> object has no attribute 'lower'
>> Oct 09 08:04:51 2003 (449) Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
>>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
>>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in 
>> _dispose
>>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in 
>> _dopipeline
>>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 90, in process
>>     send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in 
>> send_digests
>>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>>   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 373, in 
>> send_i18n_digests
>>     rfc1153msg.set_payload(plainmsg.getvalue(), lcset)
>>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 224, in 
>> set_payload
>>     self.set_charset(charset)
>>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 262, in 
>> set_charset
>>     cte(self)
>>   File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Encoders.py", line 88, in 
>> encode_7or8bit
>>     charset = msg.get_charset().output_charset.lower()
>> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'lower'
>>
>> Oct 09 08:04:51 2003 (449) SHUNTING: 
>> 1065704690.3426059+c2b29a13c674529127a4c79472d3c58829f5937c
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, every message received after the offending one is also 
> shunted, and cron/senddigests also produces the same error message. A 
> quick look at the digest.mbox shows one character that appears in pico 
> as a black diamond with a question mark in it. If I replace that with an 
> approximation without a diacritical and save the mbox, then I can run 
> /cron/senddigests and unshunt successfully.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> DP
> 
-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From saurav at sas.upenn.edu  Fri Oct 10 11:39:31 2003
From: saurav at sas.upenn.edu (Saurav Pathak)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:39:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin notifications for held messages
In-Reply-To: <42A2C932-FA87-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <20031009165523.GA17982@mail2.sas.upenn.edu>
	<42A2C932-FA87-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031010093931.GA22370@mail1.sas.upenn.edu>




Thus spake Richard Barrett:

+  Try changing the line in the patch from:
+  
+  DEFAULT_MODERATE_INC_BODY = Yes
+  
+  to:
+  
+  DEFAULT_MODERATE_INC_BODY = 1
+  

Hi Richard,

That worked.  Thanks.

-- 
saurav



From john at hytronix.com  Fri Oct 10 11:56:45 2003
From: john at hytronix.com (John E.P. Hynes)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:56:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail and mailman
References: <001601c38e5a$a1eb2950$020010ac@tatewaki>
	<1065755750.4427.157.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <004501c38f14$d0475700$020010ac@tatewaki>

> This is a classic case for using the Generics table for Sendmail.
> http://www.sendmail.org/virtual-hosting.html

I tried that, and, oddly, it didn't work.

I ended up making a Class E file by adding

LOCAL_CONFIG
FE/etc/mail/exposed-users

to my mc file and re-compiling sendmail.cf.  Since the canonical name of the
machine is in the correct domain, I just put all of the list aliases in that
file.  Worked fine.

Thanks for the suggestions though!

-John

> On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 07:44, John E.P. Hynes wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Here's my issue:
> >
> > Mailman is installed on a host which is an MX for two domains.
> >
> > domain1 gets forwarded to another mail hub.
> > domain2 gets delivered locally, and there are no users except the
mailman
> > aliases.
> >
> > This mail host uses masquerade_as to rewrite outgoing addresses as
domain1.
> >
> > Therefore, if you subscibe to a list, using the web link to authorize
the
> > subscription works fine, but hitting reply doesn't, as it'll go to
> > (mailman-alias)@domain1.com, which doesn't exist.
> >
> > Does anyone know how to make sendmail NOT masquerade domain2 if it
> > originates from the relay host itself?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -John
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
>
>




From Prashant.Kumar at O2.COM  Fri Oct 10 12:01:09 2003
From: Prashant.Kumar at O2.COM (Kumar Prashant (Zero Touch) (UK))
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:01:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail
Message-ID: <BDFDCD9CE435D3118F7C0008C7914DF50AD691C5@MARLLSNT03>

Hi People,

I have a question which has been asked again and again. I've gone 
through almost all of the mailing lists and faqs but couldn't get it 
working my way.

I want mail-2 to be a backup server for my mail-1. So I added priority 
MX records. The sendmail FAQ says that's all you have to do ( and of 
course allow relay). mail-2 should queue up all the messages when mail-1 
is down. It does NOT work and I get the infamous "mail loops back to me".

Now I add mailertable entry and everything starts working i.e mail-2 
queues for mail-1 when mail-1 is down. The thing is this mailertable 
makes my design pretty complicated and I don't want to use this feature. 
How can I get sendmail to queue without it?

Please anyone ..


Cheers
Prash


  




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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Oct 10 14:37:20 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:37:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail
In-Reply-To: <BDFDCD9CE435D3118F7C0008C7914DF50AD691C5@MARLLSNT03>
References: <BDFDCD9CE435D3118F7C0008C7914DF50AD691C5@MARLLSNT03>
Message-ID: <p06002043bbac58358ee4@[10.0.1.2]>

At 11:01 AM +0100 2003/10/10, Kumar Prashant (Zero Touch) (UK) wrote:

>  I want mail-2 to be a backup server for my mail-1. So I added priority
>  MX records. The sendmail FAQ says that's all you have to do ( and of
>  course allow relay). mail-2 should queue up all the messages when mail-1
>  is down. It does NOT work and I get the infamous "mail loops back to me".
>
>  Now I add mailertable entry and everything starts working i.e mail-2
>  queues for mail-1 when mail-1 is down. The thing is this mailertable
>  makes my design pretty complicated and I don't want to use this feature.
>  How can I get sendmail to queue without it?

	This is a sendmail question, not a mailman question.

	Please see <http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section4.html#4.5>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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From paul.williams at uwex.edu  Fri Oct 10 15:33:00 2003
From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul F. Williams)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:33:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up indexing on Mailman archives
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031010082358.02bbbc40@imap.uwex.edu>

I have read through numerous archives on how to setup
indexing on the Mailman archives but I seem to be missing
something.

In the past I have set up htdig to make it possible to
search web sites.  I used the url indexing method.
In order to accomplish that you need a url starting point
that will find all the other web documents.

So, my question is

What url do you give htdig (or any other indexer) so it can
find all the archives?

Or do you need to create a document that contains
a list of starting urls?

If you need to create a document, what do you put in it?

Thanks,

paulw 




From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Fri Oct 10 15:42:18 2003
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:42:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] character encoding error
In-Reply-To: <3F86717F.3090809@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <9120CCF3-FB27-11D7-8166-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>

On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 03:44  AM, Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
> Please apply this patch to <prefix>/pythonlib/email AFTER installing
> Japanese patched mailman.
> http://mm.tkikuchi.net/email.patch.20031001
>
> ie,
> % cd <prefix>/pythonlib
> % patch -p0 < /path/to/email.patch.20031001
>
> Good Luck,
> Dan Phillips wrote:
>> When I updated to 2.1.3 I immediately had problems with Japanese 
>> language password reminders causing errors, but I applied the patch 
>> provided by Tokio Kikuchi and those went away. Since then, however, 
>> every time I receive a post that includes an eight bit character the 
>> following error message is generated:

Could you please direct me to the correct patches for "Japanese patched 
Mailman?" My reading knowledge of Japanese is limited, but am I correct 
in guessing from your site that you are referring to 
http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.3+patch.20030930 ? And is that 
applied before or after configure and make install?

Sorry for both my ignorance and illiteracy :-)

DP




From aapple at wisc.edu  Thu Oct  9 18:16:55 2003
From: aapple at wisc.edu (Allisanne Apple)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:16:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman search engines
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20031009111531.01a4eea0@wiscmail.wisc.edu>

Is there now or possibly in the future a method to search through mailman 
communications for a keyword or topic (through the text, not the subject 
line)?  This would be a useful feature for our Small Business Development 
Center network.

Thanks....

------------------------------------------------------
Allisanne Apple
Database Admin.  | email:  aapple at wisc.edu
WI SBDC         | phone:  608-263-1769
432 N. Lake St.     |  fax:  608-263-7830
Madison,  WI   53706 


From DFeliciano at NYBloodCenter.org  Thu Oct  9 19:52:30 2003
From: DFeliciano at NYBloodCenter.org (Feliciano, David)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:52:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What's with the Virus inside the Mailman download
	file?
Message-ID: <27773B9C00A244409989DA6F7031353FD40E93@ceusr01.nybc.org>

Hi,
I email that I got a McAfee virus message from the files I downloaded but got no response from you guys.

I downloaded from the three below and all three have a virus (according to McAfee): 

So what's up!

*	SourceForge <http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103> 
*	GNU <http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/> 
*	List.Org <http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz> 


David
FCGMS @ NYBC
212-570-3458



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 18:41:20 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:41:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman search engines
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20031009111531.01a4eea0@wiscmail.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <93D9AAB8-FB40-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 05:16  pm, Allisanne Apple wrote:

> Is there now or possibly in the future a method to search through 
> mailman communications for a keyword or topic (through the text, not 
> the subject line)?  This would be a useful feature for our Small 
> Business Development Center network.
>

The FAQ page at the following URL may help you:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp

> Thanks....
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Allisanne Apple
> Database Admin.  | email:  aapple at wisc.edu
> WI SBDC         | phone:  608-263-1769
> 432 N. Lake St.     |  fax:  608-263-7830
> Madison,  WI   53706 
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 18:45:15 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:45:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What's with the Virus inside the Mailman download
	file?
In-Reply-To: <27773B9C00A244409989DA6F7031353FD40E93@ceusr01.nybc.org>
Message-ID: <1F979C3E-FB41-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 06:52  pm, Feliciano, David wrote:

> Hi,
> I email that I got a McAfee virus message from the files I downloaded 
> but got no response from you guys.
>
> I downloaded from the three below and all three have a virus 
> (according to McAfee):
>
> So what's up!
>

I think that you will find this is being caused by the remains of a 
"killed" virus that is part of the test suite. There should be no 
viable virus in the Mailman source distribution but the test item what 
is present may be enough to trigger your virus checker.

> *	SourceForge 
> <http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103>
> *	GNU <http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/>
> *	List.Org <http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz>
>
>
> David
> FCGMS @ NYBC
> 212-570-3458
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 19:08:21 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:08:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up indexing on Mailman archives
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031010082358.02bbbc40@imap.uwex.edu>
Message-ID: <5A2C8B94-FB44-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 02:33  pm, Paul F. Williams wrote:

> I have read through numerous archives on how to setup
> indexing on the Mailman archives but I seem to be missing
> something.
>
> In the past I have set up htdig to make it possible to
> search web sites.  I used the url indexing method.
> In order to accomplish that you need a url starting point
> that will find all the other web documents.
>
> So, my question is
>
> What url do you give htdig (or any other indexer) so it can
> find all the archives?
>
> Or do you need to create a document that contains
> a list of starting urls?
>

One alternative is to use the Mailman-htdig integration patches #444879 
and # 444884 referred to on this FAQ page:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp

Even if you go some other route for using htdig you should consider 
using the #444879 patch "Archive indexer control to improve indexing".

> If you need to create a document, what do you put in it?

For public list archives, links to 
http://your.web.domain.tld/pipermail/<listname>/index.html

If you do not use the integration patch you will find it a little 
tricky setting up search for private archives. htdig cannot directly 
index private archives through 
http://your.web.domain.tld/mailman/private/<listname>/ URLs; it does 
not know how to do cookie authentication. For private archives, htidg 
has to be told to index through the file system path to private 
archives but return the matching http URLs in search results. But then 
this is basically insecure because the search results contain 
information from documents which the user may not be authorised to see. 
The integration patch deals with this whole problem.

>
> Thanks,
>
> paulw
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Oct 10 19:34:16 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:34:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: What's with the Virus inside the Mailman
In-Reply-To: <E1A7zjK-00029O-0I@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A7zjK-00029O-0I@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031010122924.04320bf0@mail.thcwd.com>

Feliciano, David wrote:

>I downloaded from the three below and all three have a virus (according to 
>McAfee):
>
>So what's up!
>
>*       SourceForge 
><http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103>
>*       GNU <http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/>
>*       List.Org <http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz>

     There is a non functioning piece of a virus, Nimda if my mind is 
working right, in the files. It is used for testing, no threat.


<>< Paul 




From david.nospam at netcabo.pt  Fri Oct 10 19:47:36 2003
From: david.nospam at netcabo.pt (David Morgado)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:47:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Add entire @domain.com to allowed sender
	list
In-Reply-To: <oprwo6q8yhyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
References: <oprwo6k5blyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
	<oprwo6q8yhyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
Message-ID: <3F86F0B8.8000009@netcabo.pt>

Try *@domainname.com or . at domainname.com



Merle Reine wrote:

>
>
>
>
> 1.  I need to be able to allow anyone from @domainname.com to be able to
> send to a list.  I see the box to do this but can not figure out the
> proper text to do so.
>
> I tried *.*@domainname.com
> *.*@domainname\.com
> $@domainname.com
> etc.
>
> Anyone have any ideas?  I read the python manual to no avail.
>
> It is under Privacy Options > Sender filters > List of non-member
> addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted.
>
> I do not want to add anyone to the list but rather want anyone in the
> company to be able to send to the list.
>
> For example, the list of execs at domain.com .  I only want 5 people on the
> list getting the mail but want anyone from inside the company to be able
> to send to it.
>
> 2.  Is there a way to allow any user anywhere to post to a list without
> subscribing?  Example, support at domain.com .  I want anyone in world to
> be able to send to it but not subscribe to it.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
>
>
>





From eje4 at cornell.edu  Fri Oct 10 19:52:41 2003
From: eje4 at cornell.edu (Eric Evans)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:52:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation confusion
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031010134738.00b54a88@postoffice9.mail.cornell.edu>

Hi,

I hope that someone out there will be able to offer me some guidance.  I'm 
trying to install mailman on a Solaris machine, with apache, and I'm 
tremendously confused.  To begin with, what would you recommend as 
appropriate values to use for the configuration options --with-mail-gid and 
--with-cgi-gid?  I have tried every conceivable combination of group ids 
with these options and so far nothing I've tried works.  I keep getting the 
"Internal Server Error" screen when I try to start up the administrator 
webpage for my list.  What do most mailman administrators use for these 
options?

Thanks,
Eric
   




From brncnsmr at comcast.net  Fri Oct 10 21:15:12 2003
From: brncnsmr at comcast.net (Brandon Ballheim)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:15:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Subscription form
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031009233731.042d9d78@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <000801c38f62$d72ea070$6701a8c0@branbhmd>

Paul,

Unfortunately I don't have access to the server files.  You see my web host
manages the Mailman server and since they support it they don't want anyone
having access to the template files.

Do you know if I could script the necessary commands for (subscribe,
unsubscribe, password management) from within my own custom user interface?
For example, could a command parameter be sent along with a form submit to
Mailman to perform, say for example, a subscription verification?

Thank you again! I really appreciate your assistance!

-Brandon

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+brncnsmr=comcast.net at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+brncnsmr=comcast.net at python.org] On Behalf Of
Paul H Byerly
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:49 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Subscription form


Brandon Ballheim wrote:
>I understand the necessity for giving subscribers a password, but I'm 
>worried that dealing with a configuration page might scare some of the 
>less computer/internet literate off from using the list. Could I create 
>a subscriber user interface that could be used for confirmation of the 
>Mailman list that is simple (i.e. with out configuration features)?  
>I'm just creating a Announcement mailing list -- subscribers don't need 
>to communicate with each other.

      I'd look at hacking the 'Welcome to the "foobar" list' e-mail.  If 
you don't show them the configuration page, they won't go there.  I've not 
dealt with that file, but as it's in templates it should be easy.  You will 
find the original in <prefix>/mailman/templates/en/subscribeack.txt  . Copy 
that to the en directory (you many have to create it) of the list ( 
<prefix>/mailman/lists/<LISTNAME>/en) and modify as needed.  Restart 
mailman, and away you go.


<>< Paul 


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From ronwalf at wam.umd.edu  Fri Oct 10 21:39:44 2003
From: ronwalf at wam.umd.edu (Ron Alford)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:39:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird segfaults
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310101531100.4633-100000@volus.net>

I'm getting segfaults in VirginRunner and IncomingRunner, but only when 
run from mailmanctl.  Judging from gdb and strace, this sefault comes 
during a cPickle.load of <listname>/config.pck.  Mailman continues to 
segfault even with fresh installations (and no old data).

What's weird is that it doesn't sefault if the qrunners are run 
individually (my current hack is 'watch bin/qrunner -v -r All -o')

I'm running mailman-2.1.2 with python2.2.3 on redhat 7.3, with qmail as 
the mail exchanger (not exactly a stock system).

Anyone seen this before?
Thanks,
-Ron

--
Ron Alford, KB0NUV
http://volus.net/~ronwalf





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 22:19:57 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:19:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.3 version Mailman-htdig integration
	patches available
In-Reply-To: <1065013988.2599.10.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <1E31F150-FB5F-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 02:13  pm, Jon Carnes wrote:

> Richard, I love your patches and install them regularly for each  
> version
> of Mailman.  In fact, I wait for your patches to come out before
> upgrading!
>
> <Where should I send the beer?>
>

Thanks for the kind words and thought.

> It is really a shame that they are not included in the original Source
> Code. I think in our last straw poll of the users, the consensus of the
> group was overwhelmingly in favor of rolling your code into the Source.
>
> We may simply need to provide an alternate download location that has
> your code already patched into the source - and an rpm made from that
> source.  I believe some folks have already done this on a piece-meal
> basis.
>

As a first step I have done what you suggested and built some patched  
MM source distributions. They are posted on my own web site at  
http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/prepack.html

If you were interested in cooking an RPM version to post there too ...

Originally, the only reason I set up my www.openinfo.co.uk site with  
Mailman patches on it was because of problems a release or two back,  
when uploading the revised #444884 patch to sourceforge broke some  
configured in memory limit on their PHP page rendering code.

The problem recurred on 1st October when I uploaded the revised #444884  
patch for MM 2.1.3 and I am still waiting for something other than a  
canned response from the support folks at sourceforge. See:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/ 
?func=detail&aid=815621&group_id=1&atid=200001


> Jon Carnes
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 22:47:37 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:47:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Add entire @domain.com to allowed sender
	list
In-Reply-To: <oprwo6q8yhyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
Message-ID: <FB869AAA-FB62-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 01:10  am, Merle Reine wrote:

>
>
>
>
> 1.  I need to be able to allow anyone from @domainname.com to be able 
> to
> send to a list.  I see the box to do this but can not figure out the
> proper text to do so.
>
> I tried *.*@domainname.com
> *.*@domainname\.com
> $@domainname.com
> etc.
>

I would use a regular expression. Something like this should work:

^[^@]*@domainname\.com$

Explanation:

^ means this is a regex and start matching at the beginingof the 
address string

[^@]* means match any character that is not an @ to match any mail alias

@ means match the @ character

domainname\.com means match the mail domain. Note the \. so that the 
period is not treated as the match character meta character but as a 
literal period character

$ means match the end of the address string

> Anyone have any ideas?  I read the python manual to no avail.
>
> It is under Privacy Options > Sender filters > List of non-member
> addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted.
>
> I do not want to add anyone to the list but rather want anyone in the
> company to be able to send to the list.
>
> For example, the list of execs at domain.com .  I only want 5 people on 
> the
> list getting the mail but want anyone from inside the company to be 
> able
> to send to it.
>
> 2.  Is there a way to allow any user anywhere to post to a list without
> subscribing?  Example, support at domain.com .  I want anyone in world to
> be able to send to it but not subscribe to it.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Merle Reine
> Lindows.com Hardware Certification Specialist
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From ricardo at americasnet.com  Sat Oct 11 00:24:39 2003
From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:24:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please help... "Uncaught bounce notification"
Message-ID: <3f8731a7.7a.75e2.22833828@server2.americasnet.com>

Hi,

I've been getting these messages and I don't understand what
they mean, and how I can resolve whatever the issue is?

It says:

The attached message was received as a bounce, but either
the bounce
format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be
extracted
from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).


Thank you
Ricardo



From wouter at addrenaline.com  Sat Oct 11 12:58:16 2003
From: wouter at addrenaline.com (Wouter)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:58:16 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem whit email host
Message-ID: <31813.194.178.167.65.1065869896.squirrel@webmail.addrenaline.com>

Helo,

I have a problem whit mailman i have it installed form a suse rpm.

Now i have a problem whit the host after the email adres. Its not the host
of my box. So i need to change this.

I have in mm_cfg.py:
#DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'localhost'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'addrenaline.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.addrenaline.com'
DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.addrenaline.com/mailman/'
MTA = 'Postfix'
DELIVERY_MODUL = 'SMTPDirect'
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'

I have in Default.py:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'addrenaline.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'addrenaline.com'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'

Can someone tell me how i can fix this problem ?

Greets Wouter



From links at momsview.com  Sat Oct 11 13:12:49 2003
From: links at momsview.com (Links at Momsview.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:12:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Use add_members script with confirmation?
Message-ID: <041e01c38fe8$9b15d5f0$0201a8c0@daddy>

I am currently running a mailman 2.x announce only list

Due to the size of my mailing list I needed to split my original list into smaller sublists for performance reasons.

In this setup: 
(1)Users subscribe to one initial list and need to confirm

(2)A cron script executes periodically and moves them to one of 26 lists based on the first letter of their subscription address using the
add_members script

My mailings  then occur from the 26 sublists.



The confusion:


Subscribers are confirming to the original initial list
Everything is fine until they end up getting email from the sublist (whose address is different than the original intial list they confirmed to)
They then complain they were subscribed to the sublist without their consent, etc. etc.


Quesiton:

Is there anyway to delay the confirmation process so it occurs when their address is added via the add_member script or some other standard mailman utility? 

I've looked at the options for add_member and didn't see anything that would help.
Thanks in advance


From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Oct 11 15:55:09 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:55:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem whit email host
In-Reply-To: <31813.194.178.167.65.1065869896.squirrel@webmail.addrenaline.com>
Message-ID: <870AF1EE-FBF2-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Saturday, October 11, 2003, at 11:58  am, Wouter wrote:

> Helo,
>
> I have a problem whit mailman i have it installed form a suse rpm.
>
> Now i have a problem whit the host after the email adres. Its not the 
> host
> of my box. So i need to change this.
>
> I have in mm_cfg.py:
> #DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'localhost'
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'addrenaline.com'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.addrenaline.com'
> DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.addrenaline.com/mailman/'
> MTA = 'Postfix'
> DELIVERY_MODUL = 'SMTPDirect'
> SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
>
> I have in Default.py:
>
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'addrenaline.com'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'addrenaline.com'
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
>
> Can someone tell me how i can fix this problem ?
>

This FAQ page may help you:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

> Greets Wouter
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From paul at thcwd.com  Sat Oct 11 20:01:07 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:01:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Subscription form
In-Reply-To: <E1A8HSQ-0003ut-67@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A8HSQ-0003ut-67@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031011124045.0434c230@mail.thcwd.com>

Brandon Ballheim wrote:
>Paul,
>
>Unfortunately I don't have access to the server files.  You see my web host
>manages the Mailman server and since they support it they don't want anyone
>having access to the template files.

      Once a template file is copied into the language directory of a 
single list it only affects that list.  If you can create files in the list 
directory you could create it yourself.  I've attached the subscribeack.txt 
file from Mailman 2.1.2 .  Watch the variables, which start with "%" and 
end with "s".  As you are doing this on a per list basis you can remove or 
alter them as you see fit, but some are handy as is.
      The sticking point to both of these may be that the templates may not 
be used until Mailman is restarted.  For some files this is required, for 
some it is not.  If my limited understanding of the inner workings of 
Mailman is accurate I suspect this is not needed for a txt file used to 
send an e-mail.

>Do you know if I could script the necessary commands for (subscribe,
>unsubscribe, password management) from within my own custom user interface?
>For example, could a command parameter be sent along with a form submit to
>Mailman to perform, say for example, a subscription verification?

      Way beyond me, but it sounds like you would need to replace the built 
in function, and that means hacking mailman Python files, which your host 
is certainly not going to do.


<>< Paul 
-------------- next part --------------
Welcome to the %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s mailing list!
%(welcome)s
To post to this list, send your email to:

  %(emailaddr)s

General information about the mailing list is at:

  %(listinfo_url)s

If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or
from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription
page at:

  %(optionsurl)s
%(umbrella)s
You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to:

  %(real_name)s-request@%(host_name)s

with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the
quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions.

You must know your password to change your options (including changing
the password, itself) or to unsubscribe.  It is:

  %(password)s

Normally, Mailman will remind you of your %(host_name)s mailing list
passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you
prefer.  This reminder will also include instructions on how to
unsubscribe or change your account options.  There is also a button on
your options page that will email your current password to you.

From mail at schoeppi.net  Sat Oct 11 20:16:49 2003
From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:16:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rebuild list archives
Message-ID: <20031011181649.GA1275@toshiba>

Hello!

What do I have to do for rebuild dayly based listarchives into monthly 
based archs? At the moment I see a link for evry day on my archive page 
but I want to have a monthly view. I've allready reconfigured the 
listconfig from dayly to monthly archiving, but after running $bin/arch I 
have still the links for evry day... :-(

Can someone give me a hint?

Best regards and thanks,
Schoeppi

-- 
Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de
mail at schoeppi.net     | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sat Oct 11 20:28:11 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:28:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rebuild list archives
In-Reply-To: <20031011181649.GA1275@toshiba>
References: <20031011181649.GA1275@toshiba>
Message-ID: <20031011182811.GD9900@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Christian Schoepplein wrote:
> What do I have to do for rebuild dayly based listarchives into
> monthly based archs? At the moment I see a link for evry day on my
> archive page but I want to have a monthly view. I've allready
> reconfigured the listconfig from dayly to monthly archiving, but
> after running $bin/arch I have still the links for evry day... :-(

Just guessing, but did you pass the wipe option to bin/arch when you
ran it?

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
A penny saved kills your career in government.

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From jim at jimdrash.com  Sat Oct 11 21:03:21 2003
From: jim at jimdrash.com (Jim Drash)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:03:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.3 version Mailman-htdig integration 
	patches available
In-Reply-To: <1E31F150-FB5F-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <1065013988.2599.10.camel@Anncons4>
	<1E31F150-FB5F-11D7-99F5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1153.192.168.58.248.1065899001.squirrel@erehwon.jwd.tzo.com>

Enclosed please find a mailman.spec file for building mailman 2.1.3 with
your htdig and mhonarc integration patches (plus the others you include in
your prepacked sources).  This spec file is for Mandrake.  It could be
easily changed for other distributions.  One note that is is critical to
put the correct path for mhonarc MHONARC_ARCHIVER_PATH in your mm_cfg.py.
-------------- next part --------------
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Name: mailman.spec
Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031011/7e90eb9b/attachment.asc 

From skip at pobox.com  Sat Oct 11 21:21:43 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:21:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending_subscriptions.db format?
Message-ID: <16264.22599.950210.827148@montanaro.dyndns.org>

I've been migrating my subscriptions over to 2.1.2 from 2.0.9, mostly
because I began having problems I couldn't fathom with the lists hosted on
2.0.9.  A few are still on 2.0.9 and I'll probably migrate them soon enough,
however I encountered a problem with my 2.0.9 pending_subscriptions.db file
I'm curious about.  I got this traceback in the mail:

    Traceback (most recent call last):
      File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 223, in ParseMailCommands
        self.__dispatch[cmd](args, line, msg)
      File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 621, in ProcessConfirmCmd
        self.ProcessConfirmation(cookie)
      File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1024, in ProcessConfirmation
        got = Pending().confirmed(cookie)
      File "../Mailman/Pending.py", line 88, in confirmed
      File "../Mailman/Pending.py", line 111, in __save
    IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db'

Investigating, I saw the file was owned by nobody:mailman.  (This change may
be sendmail-related since I upgraded sendmail recently.  Any thoughts on
that?)  Anyway, I chown'd it back to mailman:mailman and decided to take a
look at it from the Python interpreter.  I thought it was in pickle format,
but that appears not to be the case:

    >>> import pickle
    >>> d = pickle.load(open("pending_subscriptions.db"))
    Traceback (most recent call last):
      File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
      File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/pickle.py", line 982, in load
        return Unpickler(file).load()
      File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/pickle.py", line 597, in load
        dispatch[key](self)
    KeyError: {

Is it in some other non-bsddb format?

Thx,

-- 
Skip Montanaro
Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/
          http://www.mojam.com/
Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/



From daniel at electroteque.org  Sun Oct 12 12:36:53 2003
From: daniel at electroteque.org (daniel at electroteque.org)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 20:36:53 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announement list and html email
Message-ID: <27550.211.29.136.12.1065955013.squirrel@www.electroteque.org>

hi there i am trying to find a solution for work, they need a mailout
system which can send both html and text newsletters out to subscribers,
therefore is a one way announcement list.

I was wondering can this be setup, so that a cron script generates the html
email or a user sends a text email, sends it to mailman and then sends an
auto reply from mailman with the text or html email to the admin and then
admin can reply to confirm its ok before sending out ?

please let me know if i'm over my head on this one thanks.





From john at linuxemporium.co.uk  Sun Oct 12 13:00:45 2003
From: john at linuxemporium.co.uk (John Winters)
Date: 12 Oct 2003 12:00:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with posts from non-subscribers efficiently
Message-ID: <1065956447.9742.39.camel@bennet>

Hi all,

I run a couple of Mailman lists with a prohibition on postings by
non-subscribers.  This is very effective at ensuring that no Spam gets
through to the list.

The only problem is that each week I have to sit down and click on the
"Discard" button for a couple of hundred rubbish messages.

Is there any way to tell Mailman that when I say, "Non-subscribers are
not allowed to post to this list" I really mean it and don't want to be
consulted individually each time?  That is, posts from non-subscribers
get a bounce message and are automatically discarded, rather than
requiring me to confirm each discard.

If not, is there any way I can get the discards to happen in bulk?  That
is, I run a script of some sort which discards all pending postings
rather than having to spend 20 minutes laboriously clicking on each one.

Many thanks,
John Winters

-- 
The Linux Emporium - the source for Linux in the UK
See http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/

We had a woodhenge here once but it rotted.




From r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk  Sun Oct 12 13:44:48 2003
From: r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk (Bob Franklin)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:44:48 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with posts from non-subscribers
	efficiently
In-Reply-To: <1065956447.9742.39.camel@bennet>
References: <1065956447.9742.39.camel@bennet>
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.58.0310121241460.244@detritus.home.mince.net>

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, John Winters wrote:

> Is there any way to tell Mailman that when I say, "Non-subscribers are
> not allowed to post to this list" I really mean it and don't want to be
> consulted individually each time?  That is, posts from non-subscribers
> get a bounce message and are automatically discarded, rather than
> requiring me to confirm each discard.

[Mailman 2.1] On Privacy Options -> Sender Filters, the option one above
the bottom: 'Action to take for postings from non-members for which no
explicit action is defined.'.  Select the option of your choice: Discard
to just throw them away, Reject to send a bounce.

The option underneath specifies whether you should get sent a copy of
discarded messages.  I have this set to 'Yes' just in case someone posts
from an unknown address.

  - Bob


-- 
 Bob Franklin <r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk>          +44 (0)118 378 6630
 Systems and Communications, IT Services, The University of Reading, UK



From glen at art-mart.com  Thu Oct  2 05:59:56 2003
From: glen at art-mart.com (glen emery)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:59:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email use
Message-ID: <009001c390bc$75e8fa80$0100a8c0@HOME1>

hi... if i use Mailman...can i use my email address of glen at art-mart.com  to send and receive ?   thank you for your consideration.   glen emery

From tobias.burnus at physik.fu-berlin.de  Sat Oct 11 01:42:41 2003
From: tobias.burnus at physik.fu-berlin.de (Tobias Burnus)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:42:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with md5 password
Message-ID: <20031010234240.GA7452@physik.fu-berlin.de>

Hi,

I couldn't find anything about this topic, but I want to have this:
- All passwords are stored as e.g. md5 or crypt
- The users can change their password, e.g. by getting a token mailed
  to change it (if they forgot it)
  (The reminder can obviously not contain the password, but I don't
   care whether no reminder is send or a reminder w/o password is send.)

The reason is that our policy doesn't allow for clear-text passwords,
besides this technique works very well with Bugzilla.

Tobias



From mail at schoeppi.net  Sun Oct 12 19:18:41 2003
From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:18:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footers and problems with charset... :-(
Message-ID: <20031012171841.GB1094@toshiba>

Hi!

I ofthen get mails with attachments when messages were sent with a not so 
common charset... The attachment is the footer, its in quoted printable 
and not text/plain format.

Is there any chance to eleminate these attachments? I allready patched 
mailman with a patch from Tokio Kikuchi 
(http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=664209&group_id=103&atid=300103)
but this patch sems not to work allways :-(. What more can I do to 
eleminate this attachment without turning of the footers?

Best regards,
Schoeppi

-- 
Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de
mail at schoeppi.net     | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de



From bvg.mailman at freemail.hu  Sun Oct 12 23:25:14 2003
From: bvg.mailman at freemail.hu (Gabor Borgulya)
Date: 12 Oct 2003 23:25:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] type=MX: Host not found, try again
Message-ID: <1065993913.5178.78.camel@catv-d5de952e.bp04catv.broadband.hu>

Dear list readers,

I set up my first list a week ago, but I have problems. Could you help?

When a list member sends a mail to the list, nothing happens, but a WEEK
LATER he receives an answer like below, containing "type=MX: Host not
found, try again".
I tried sending from a four computers to the list server, and for two
the result was the same - for two other computers, both running SuSE
Linux the mails were delivered
I am not a Linux expert, either.

Do I have to change something in the settings of the list server? It is
SuSE 8.2, too. Any ideas?

G?bor

-------------- error message begins -----------------
Date: Sat,  4 Oct 2003 15:10:18 +0200 (CEST)
From: Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON at borlinux.local>
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

This is the Postfix program at host borlinux.local.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

                        The Postfix program

<mag-di at gyoh.sote.hu>: Name service error for name=gyoh.sote.hu type=MX:
Host not found, try again


Reporting-MTA: dns; borlinux.local
Arrival-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:24:50 +0200 (CEST)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; mag-di at gyoh.sote.hu
Action: failed
Status: 4.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Name service error for name=gyoh.sote.hu
type=MX:
    Host not found, try again
-------------- error message cut -------------------



From skip at pobox.com  Mon Oct 13 00:21:37 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:21:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with posts from non-subscribers
	efficiently
In-Reply-To: <1065956447.9742.39.camel@bennet>
References: <1065956447.9742.39.camel@bennet>
Message-ID: <16265.54257.696596.600190@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    John> I run a couple of Mailman lists with a prohibition on postings by
    John> non-subscribers.  This is very effective at ensuring that no Spam
    John> gets through to the list.

    John> The only problem is that each week I have to sit down and click on
    John> the "Discard" button for a couple of hundred rubbish messages.

I wrote the attached script during the latest worm debacle.  Worked well for
me to keep the python-help list cleaned out.  At the height of the furor, I
was discarding over 1,000 messages per day.

-- 
Skip Montanaro
Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/
          http://www.mojam.com/
Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/


From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Oct 13 00:32:28 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:32:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] type=MX: Host not found, try again
In-Reply-To: <1065993913.5178.78.camel@catv-d5de952e.bp04catv.broadband.hu>
References: <1065993913.5178.78.camel@catv-d5de952e.bp04catv.broadband.hu>
Message-ID: <p06002064bbaf866964c5@[10.0.1.2]>

At 11:25 PM +0200 2003/10/12, Gabor Borgulya wrote:

>  Do I have to change something in the settings of the list server? It is
>  SuSE 8.2, too. Any ideas?

	There are no MX records for this host:

% dig @pallas.sote.hu. gyoh.sote.hu. mx

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> @pallas.sote.hu. gyoh.sote.hu. mx
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 13192
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;gyoh.sote.hu.                  IN      MX

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
sote.hu.                86400   IN      SOA     pallas.sote.hu. 
root.pallas.sote.hu. 2003100801 43200 10800 604800 86400

;; Query time: 75 msec
;; SERVER: 192.160.172.6#53(pallas.sote.hu.)
;; WHEN: Mon Oct 13 00:29:51 2003
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 78


	However, there is an IP address for this machine:

% dig @pallas.sote.hu. gyoh.sote.hu. any

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> @pallas.sote.hu. gyoh.sote.hu. any
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 61194
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 3

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;gyoh.sote.hu.                  IN      ANY

;; ANSWER SECTION:
gyoh.sote.hu.           86400   IN      A       193.6.208.185

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
sote.hu.                86400   IN      NS      centaur.sote.hu.
sote.hu.                86400   IN      NS      sunrise.sote.hu.
sote.hu.                86400   IN      NS      ns2.sztaki.hu.
sote.hu.                86400   IN      NS      pallas.sote.hu.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
pallas.sote.hu.         86400   IN      A       192.160.172.6
centaur.sote.hu.        86400   IN      A       193.225.81.46
sunrise.sote.hu.        86400   IN      A       193.6.209.46

;; Query time: 82 msec
;; SERVER: 192.160.172.6#53(pallas.sote.hu.)
;; WHEN: Mon Oct 13 00:30:43 2003
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 184


	Your MTA should be configured to fall back to the IP address, if 
there is no corresponding MX record.  You will need to change your 
MTA configuration so that it is standard-compliant in this respect.

	This is a question that you would need to ask on a mailing list 
or newsgroup specific to that MTA, and has nothing to do with the 
mailing list management software you are using.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Oct 13 00:37:45 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:37:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with posts from
	non-subscribers efficiently
In-Reply-To: <1065956447.9742.39.camel@bennet>
References: <1065956447.9742.39.camel@bennet>
Message-ID: <p06002065bbaf87f9c25a@[10.0.1.2]>

At 12:00 PM +0100 2003/10/12, John Winters wrote:

>  If not, is there any way I can get the discards to happen in bulk?  That
>  is, I run a script of some sort which discards all pending postings
>  rather than having to spend 20 minutes laboriously clicking on each one.

	See 
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-July/030666.html> 
for one example that will give you an opportunity to make this a lot 
easier from the web interface, while still giving you a chance to 
catch accidental mis-postings.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From lj at mandala-designs.com  Mon Oct 13 03:50:14 2003
From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs  )
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:50:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderator bit
Message-ID: <200310122150.AA110755942@mandala-designs.com>

With Mailman 2.1.3 on a FreeBSD 4.8 system, python 2.2.2, any lists I create are set to have the moderator bit off be default. I can change the bit to "moderator on" but even after doing that, the membership page changes back to "moderator off".

Is this a feature or some bug?

Thanks. 

 
________________________________________________________________
Sent via the WebMessaging system at mandala-designs.com


 
                   
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From david at midrange.com  Mon Oct 13 17:41:48 2003
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:41:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ban_list example?
Message-ID: <bmeh3s$deg$1@sea.gmane.org>

Anyone have a simple example of using a regex in the ban_list setting?

Say I want to ban everyone from xyz.com and joe at abc.com from subscribing?

I tried ...

joe at abc.com
^*@xyz.com

... but got an invalid value error.

I'm using MM 2.1.3

Thanks!

david





From hostmaster at jbagroup.net  Mon Oct 13 15:51:00 2003
From: hostmaster at jbagroup.net (Hostmaster)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:51:00 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Outbox Flooded
Message-ID: <200310131257.h9DCvMjB017414@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net>

Red Hat 9.0 with Mailman using Postfix as the MTA, we've managed to flood the "outbox" (whatever that is) with thousands of accidental messages that resulted from a series of poor choices in the setup.  

A nasty situation is upon us, sending out countless unintened (and unwanted) messages in the name of Mailman.

We are despirately trying to discover the origin, queue, or otherwise staging file of the messages so we can pre-empt their transfer.

The majority of these are messages generated from automated notifications within Mailman.

I have attempted to use a previously recommended prompt command (postsuper -d ALL> but this seems to only empty the Postfix queue.  The messasges keep coming!  It appears they are being genereated and then delivered to Postfix.

Does anyone have an idea where we can terminate the messages before they get to Postfix and are sent?


Nathan Morgan
972-231-9300
www.jbagroup.net
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From atrick at prin.edu  Mon Oct 13 18:18:05 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:18:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not getting through to AOL
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013111555.02659e80@mail.prin.edu>

Has anyone worked out problems with getting mail through to AOL users?  I 
have some members of our lists that claim they are not getting our 
messages, but they're also not returning bounced to Mailman.  So I'm not 
sure what to do.  I suspect there are some kind of filtering options in AOL 
and that they have to open up all mail coming in from our domain in order 
to get it (like has to be done with Hotmail).  But I don't have an AOL 
account and can't tell them exactly what to do.  Any guidance on what to 
tell our AOL folks how to receive mail sent through Mailman would be 
appreciated.

Allan




From mjc at ewa-denver.com  Mon Oct 13 18:28:37 2003
From: mjc at ewa-denver.com (mjc)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:28:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnpicklingError: unpickling stack underflow
Message-ID: <3F8AD2B5.1030501@ewa-denver.com>

Good morning--

Trying to get to mailman this morning, I get a stack trace


        Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-root/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-root/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 85, in listinfo_overview
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-root/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-root/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 573, in Load
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-root/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 546, in __load
UnpicklingError: unpickling stack underflow

I followed the only information I could find and replaced each config.pck 
with config.pck.last, trying to get in after each change.  None of the replacements fixed the
problem and all config.pck 's are now back to the original state.

I don't read python, though I scanned each of the files indicated in the trace. 

Any help would be appreciated


mjc






From skip at pobox.com  Mon Oct 13 18:31:57 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:31:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ban_list example?
In-Reply-To: <bmeh3s$deg$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <bmeh3s$deg$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <16266.54141.678673.226807@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    David> I tried ...

    David> joe at abc.com
    David> ^*@xyz.com

    David> ... but got an invalid value error.

Try

    ^.*@xyz.com

-- 
Skip Montanaro
Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/
          http://www.mojam.com/
Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Oct 13 19:23:48 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 13 Oct 2003 13:23:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Outbox Flooded
In-Reply-To: <200310131257.h9DCvMjB017414@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net>
References: <200310131257.h9DCvMjB017414@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <1066065828.2625.51.camel@Anncons4>

Well if the messages are coming from mailman, then you should stop
Mailmanctl, examine the messages, and then correct the problem.
   service mailman stop

The messages will have the listname that generated them.

Note, that messages could also be generated by cron jobs, so you might
also need to stop cron, or simply comment out all the cron scripts.
  crontab -u mailman -e

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 09:51, Hostmaster wrote:
> Red Hat 9.0 with Mailman using Postfix as the MTA, we've managed to flood the "outbox" (whatever that is) with thousands of accidental messages that resulted from a series of poor choices in the setup.  
> 
> A nasty situation is upon us, sending out countless unintened (and unwanted) messages in the name of Mailman.
> 
> We are despirately trying to discover the origin, queue, or otherwise staging file of the messages so we can pre-empt their transfer.
> 
> The majority of these are messages generated from automated notifications within Mailman.
> 
> I have attempted to use a previously recommended prompt command (postsuper -d ALL> but this seems to only empty the Postfix queue.  The messasges keep coming!  It appears they are being genereated and then delivered to Postfix.
> 
> Does anyone have an idea where we can terminate the messages before they get to Postfix and are sent?
> 
> 
> Nathan Morgan
> 972-231-9300
> www.jbagroup.net
> ----------
> Please Note
> The information in this E-mail message is legally privileged
> and confidential information intended only for the use of the
> individual(s) named above. If you, the reader of this message,
> are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that 
> you should not further disseminate, distribute, or forward this
> E-mail message. If you have received this E-mail in error,
> please notify the sender. Thank you
> 
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> 
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From lambert at lambertfam.org  Mon Oct 13 19:28:53 2003
From: lambert at lambertfam.org (Scott Lambert)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:28:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ban_list example?
In-Reply-To: <16266.54141.678673.226807@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <bmeh3s$deg$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<16266.54141.678673.226807@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20031013172849.GA76365@DellBSD.inch.com>

On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:31:57AM -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> 
>     David> I tried ...
> 
>     David> joe at abc.com
>     David> ^*@xyz.com
> 
>     David> ... but got an invalid value error.
> 
> Try
> 
>     ^.*@xyz.com

Not knowing anything about mailman's use of these values:

The "^.*something" regex is equivalent to just "something".  

"^.*" is useless, confusing and should never be used in a regex for the
regex libraries with which I am familiar.

-- 
Scott Lambert
lambert at lambertfam.org




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Oct 13 19:31:15 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 13 Oct 2003 13:31:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not getting through to AOL
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013111555.02659e80@mail.prin.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013111555.02659e80@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <1066066274.2625.57.camel@Anncons4>

On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 12:18, Allan Trick wrote:
> Has anyone worked out problems with getting mail through to AOL users?  I 
> have some members of our lists that claim they are not getting our 
> messages, but they're also not returning bounced to Mailman.  So I'm not 
> sure what to do.  I suspect there are some kind of filtering options in AOL 
> and that they have to open up all mail coming in from our domain in order 
> to get it (like has to be done with Hotmail).  But I don't have an AOL 
> account and can't tell them exactly what to do.  Any guidance on what to 
> tell our AOL folks how to receive mail sent through Mailman would be 
> appreciated.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This is covered quite throughly in the archives. Verping your mail will
help, and may solve the problem (look up verp in the FAQ).

The problem *may* be that you have too many aol recipients in one piece
of mail.  You can change this in your MTA or you can try to change this
in your Mailman
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5

Good Luck - and have fun reading the archs!

Jon Carnes




From david at midrange.com  Mon Oct 13 19:44:00 2003
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:44:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: ban_list example?
In-Reply-To: <20031013172849.GA76365@DellBSD.inch.com>
References: <bmeh3s$deg$1@sea.gmane.org>	<16266.54141.678673.226807@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20031013172849.GA76365@DellBSD.inch.com>
Message-ID: <bmeo90$te2$1@sea.gmane.org>

Scott Lambert wrote:
> Not knowing anything about mailman's use of these values:

Well, that's kind of important, don't you think?

> The "^.*something" regex is equivalent to just "something".  

Since the caret "^" means that this entry in the ban_list setting is a 
regular expression, and not part of the regular express itself, 
".*something" means match anything that begins ends in "something".

Seems pretty easy to me.

david







From khera at kcilink.com  Mon Oct 13 19:55:21 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:55:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not getting through to AOL
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013111555.02659e80@mail.prin.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013111555.02659e80@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <16266.59145.87984.284108@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "AT" == Allan Trick <atrick at prin.edu> writes:

AT> and that they have to open up all mail coming in from our domain in order 
AT> to get it (like has to be done with Hotmail).  But I don't have an AOL 
AT> account and can't tell them exactly what to do.  Any guidance on what to 
AT> tell our AOL folks how to receive mail sent through Mailman would be 
AT> appreciated.

AOL 8 and AOL 9 introduced many new features with regard to blocking
mail.  I'd check that they didn't inadvertently turn on some of those
tools without also allowing your messages through.  Also check out
aol's 'postmaster' web site postmaster.info.aol.com, and see what they
have to say about blocking and filtering.  Check your mail server logs
too for some AOL deliveries and see what they say.

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From skip at pobox.com  Mon Oct 13 20:51:14 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:51:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ban_list example?
In-Reply-To: <20031013172849.GA76365@DellBSD.inch.com>
References: <bmeh3s$deg$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<16266.54141.678673.226807@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20031013172849.GA76365@DellBSD.inch.com>
Message-ID: <16266.62498.437349.226914@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> Try
    >> 
    >> ^.*@xyz.com

    Scott> Not knowing anything about mailman's use of these values:

    Scott> The "^.*something" regex is equivalent to just "something".  

    Scott> "^.*" is useless, confusing and should never be used in a regex
    Scott> for the regex libraries with which I am familiar.

I realized it was superfluous shortly after posting.  I was focusing on the
missing '.' (really, just about anything) in the OP's post.  "@xyz.com"
should be sufficient, unless Mailman uses re.match() for this particular
task.

-- 
Skip Montanaro
Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/
          http://www.mojam.com/
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From atrick at prin.edu  Mon Oct 13 21:12:32 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:12:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not knowing what address is subscribed
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013140926.041e4608@mail.prin.edu>

We're getting some people wanting to check their address in Mailman to see 
how we subscribed them (we seeded lists with extracts from our main 
database), and they don't know what address we used for them.

The only way I can think of is to have them type in one at a time and ask 
for a password to be mailed.  But Mailman is kind of stupid and says it's 
sending a password reminder to whatever address you type in, whether it's 
subscribed or not.

Is there any way for a person to confirm the address they're subscribed 
under?  Or for Mailman to tell them "That address is not subscribed" if 
they type in one that isn't?

Allan




From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Oct 13 21:12:07 2003
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:12:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ban_list example?
In-Reply-To: <20031013172849.GA76365@DellBSD.inch.com>
Message-ID: <23839380-FDB1-11D7-B141-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>


On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 06:28  pm, Scott Lambert wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:31:57AM -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>>
>>     David> I tried ...
>>
>>     David> joe at abc.com
>>     David> ^*@xyz.com
>>
>>     David> ... but got an invalid value error.
>>
>> Try
>>
>>     ^.*@xyz.com
>
> Not knowing anything about mailman's use of these values:
>
> The "^.*something" regex is equivalent to just "something".
>
> "^.*" is useless, confusing and should never be used in a regex for the
> regex libraries with which I am familiar.
>

The regex says, and will only be true if:

^   match at start of email address string
.*  match any string i.e.any alias
@   match a following @ character
xyz.com match a given mail domain. Actually, this would be better as 
xyz\.com so that a literal period was matched rather than any character 
between the xyz and com substrings matching.

So what is wrong with that.

Personally I would have said the following to tighten up the 
specification but that is just my prejudices:

^[^@]+ at xyz\.com$

> -- 
> Scott Lambert
> lambert at lambertfam.org




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Oct 13 21:32:25 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:32:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ban_list example?
In-Reply-To: <16266.62498.437349.226914@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <F932D6F6-FDB3-11D7-B141-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 07:51  pm, Skip Montanaro wrote:

>
>>> Try
>>>
>>> ^.*@xyz.com
>
>     Scott> Not knowing anything about mailman's use of these values:
>
>     Scott> The "^.*something" regex is equivalent to just "something".
>
>     Scott> "^.*" is useless, confusing and should never be used in a 
> regex
>     Scott> for the regex libraries with which I am familiar.
>
> I realized it was superfluous shortly after posting.  I was focusing 
> on the
> missing '.' (really, just about anything) in the OP's post.  "@xyz.com"
> should be sufficient, unless Mailman uses re.match() for this 
> particular

The ban_list check uses regex and re.search iff the first char is ^ BUT 
the ^ is not removed so regex matching is always effectively anchored 
at the start of the string because it is always a single line.

So you have to match for the local-part before matching for the domain 
even if .* is acceptable.

Without the leading ^ the ban_list comparison done is a simple string 
equality test with no wildcards or such; that's what regular 
expressions are for.

> task.
>
> -- 
> Skip Montanaro
> Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/
>           http://www.mojam.com/
> Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/
>
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From mhensley at gofcc.org  Mon Oct 13 22:00:32 2003
From: mhensley at gofcc.org (Michael D. Hensley)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:00:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site list is missing: mailman
Message-ID: <332A9921F6C0034E92682A91F55022BB9DCD21@fccmail.gofcc.org>

With help from this list, I got mailman installed and running on RedHat
GNU/Linux 9.0. I got a list set up, and sent several messages using it
(it's a weekly, "announcement-only" type list).

Recently, however (probably since I last re-booted the Linux server),
mailman has stopped working.

When I try:

/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start

I get:

Site list is missing: mailman

I'm guessing I failed to add something to the system start up process,
but I can't figure out what it could be.

Any suggestions?

I looked at the FAQ, and glanced through the documentation, but didn't
see this message. Even more valuable than just the answer would be a
pointer to where I should have been able to find it.

Much thanks!

---
Michael D. Hensley
IT Supervisor
Fremont Community Church and
Christian Community Schools



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Oct 13 23:05:41 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:05:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site list is missing: mailman
In-Reply-To: <332A9921F6C0034E92682A91F55022BB9DCD21@fccmail.gofcc.org>
Message-ID: <00DC9C51-FDC1-11D7-B141-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 09:00  pm, Michael D. Hensley wrote:

> With help from this list, I got mailman installed and running on RedHat
> GNU/Linux 9.0. I got a list set up, and sent several messages using it
> (it's a weekly, "announcement-only" type list).
>
> Recently, however (probably since I last re-booted the Linux server),
> mailman has stopped working.
>
> When I try:
>
> /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
>
> I get:
>
> Site list is missing: mailman
>
> I'm guessing I failed to add something to the system start up process,
> but I can't figure out what it could be.
>

See:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.005.htp

which basically says create a list called 'mailman' before running 
bin/mailmanctrl start

> Any suggestions?
>
> I looked at the FAQ, and glanced through the documentation, but didn't
> see this message. Even more valuable than just the answer would be a
> pointer to where I should have been able to find it.
>
> Much thanks!
>
> ---
> Michael D. Hensley
> IT Supervisor
> Fremont Community Church and
> Christian Community Schools
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From ewilts at ewilts.org  Mon Oct 13 23:11:54 2003
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:11:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not knowing what address is subscribed
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013140926.041e4608@mail.prin.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013140926.041e4608@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <20031013211154.GA11473@www.ewilts.org>

On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 02:12:32PM -0500, Allan Trick wrote:
> We're getting some people wanting to check their address in Mailman to see 
> how we subscribed them (we seeded lists with extracts from our main 
> database), and they don't know what address we used for them.

That's why personalization is a good idea.  For example, you'll note
that mailman-users is personalized - every message has a footer that
tells you what the address is.
 
> Is there any way for a person to confirm the address they're subscribed 
> under?  Or for Mailman to tell them "That address is not subscribed" if 
> they type in one that isn't?

The user may be able to figure it out from the headers but my guess is
that if they can't remmeber what address they used, and they forward
from address to address, they're unlikely to have the skills necessary
to look at the headers.

-- 
Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Oct 13 22:40:29 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:40:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not getting through to AOL
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013111555.02659e80@mail.prin.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013111555.02659e80@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600206abbb0bd905264@[10.0.1.2]>

At 11:18 AM -0500 2003/10/13, Allan Trick wrote:

>  Has anyone worked out problems with getting mail through to AOL users?
>  I have some members of our lists that claim they are not getting our
>  messages, but they're also not returning bounced to Mailman.  So I'm
>  not sure what to do.  I suspect there are some kind of filtering
>  options in AOL and that they have to open up all mail coming in from
>  our domain in order to get it (like has to be done with Hotmail).

	AOL definitely has anti-spam filters that can result in mail from 
your server or domain being discarded, if you send them too much mail 
in a given period of time.  And woe betide you if you wind up 
generating too many bounces in a given period of time.

	See <http://postmaster.info.aol.com> for more info.

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From skip at pobox.com  Mon Oct 13 23:44:37 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:44:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not knowing what address is subscribed
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013140926.041e4608@mail.prin.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013140926.041e4608@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <16267.7365.509166.533085@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Allan> We're getting some people wanting to check their address in
    Allan> Mailman to see how we subscribed them (we seeded lists with
    Allan> extracts from our main database), and they don't know what
    Allan> address we used for them.

This is kinda techno-nerdy which might not match your user population very
well, but in many/most situations people should be able to look at the
Received: headers (when the personalization footer is absent) and work their
way from bottom to top to see what address of theirs is subscribed based
upon who it's being delivered to.  Here are the Received: headers I got from
your message, numbered for convenience:

    7. Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.1.0)
              for skip at localhost (single-drop); Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:16:20 -0500 (CDT)
    6. Received: from dolly1.pobox.com (dolly1.pobox.com [207.106.49.22])
              by manatee.mojam.com (8.12.1-20030917/8.12.1) with ESMTP id
              h9DJF972002640
              for <skip at manatee.mojam.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:15:09 -0500
    5. Received: from dolly1.pobox.com (localhost[127.0.0.1])
              by dolly1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0310BA062
              for <skip at manatee.mojam.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:15:07 -0400 (EDT)
       Delivered-To: skip at pobox.com
    4. Received: from mail.python.org (mail.python.org[12.155.117.29])
              by dolly1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE735B8D8B
              for <skip at pobox.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:12:44 -0400 (EDT)
    3. Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.python.org)
              by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A987Y-0005WZ-Ip
              for skip at pobox.com; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:12:44 -0400
    2. Received: from [155.106.252.242] (helo=mail.prin.edu)
              by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A985f-0004g0-9f
              for mailman-users at python.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:10:47 -0400
    1. Received: from AllanTrick.prin.edu ([155.106.116.4])
              by mail.prin.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9DJ86216797
              for <mailman-users at python.org>; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:08:06 -0500

The server running Mailman will probably talk directly to the MX host for
the destination domain.  In this case, "skip at pobox.com" appears in #3 while
the message is still on mail.python.org as well as in #4 once it gets to
dolly1.pobox.com.

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From merle.reine at lindows.com  Tue Oct 14 00:08:39 2003
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:08:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] script to view all lists and subscribers in one file
Message-ID: <oprwz44pynyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>

I have over 181 mailing lists with numerous users on each list.  I need a 
way to list all the lists and their respective users/admin/list mod in one 
file.

I know there is the : list_lists and list_members, etc.  but one only 
lists lists and no users, the other, list users but I have to run the 
script for each list.

Has anyone found a way/wrote a script to output all of the lists and their 
users for easier management?  If my boss asks me what lists he is on, I 
have to search each list.  I would like to run: ./list_all > all_lists.txt 
and have it output:

381 lists
Abuse
	tom.jones at domain.com [list moderator]
	joe.blow at domain.com
	john.doe at domain.com
staff
	eric.welch at domain.com [list moderator]
	arnold.schwarzenegger at domain.com
	etc.

All in one outputted list for any employee to view via some url I move the 
outputted file to.

Also, If I make the lists not visible via URL, i.e. 
http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo then how can I manage them as an admin 
unless I know all of the list names (381 so far)?

Can I make them not publicly viewable but still be able to view them via 
the web as an admin as a list?

Once not viewable, http://domain.com/mailman/admin does not show the lists 
either.

-- 
Merle Reine
Lindows.com System Administrator



From merle.reine at lindows.com  Tue Oct 14 00:13:14 2003
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:13:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to approve a moderated post via email reply?
Message-ID: <oprwz5cczryehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>

I have a moderated list of staff at somedomain.com.  When the list moderator 
gets an email to approve/deny a post, I know he gets a url to go to to 
approve/deny the post.  It also talks about replying to the email with an 
"Approved" subject and password to approve the post via email reply.

Does anyone know the format of the reply?  I have tried "Approve" 
"Approved"  with the password etc, in the subject of the reply but none 
work.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

-- 
Merle Reine
Lindows.com System Administrator



From atrick at prin.edu  Tue Oct 14 01:16:57 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:16:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not knowing what address is subscribed
In-Reply-To: <16267.7365.509166.533085@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013140926.041e4608@mail.prin.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20031013140926.041e4608@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031013180836.027b9d78@mail.prin.edu>

At 04:44 PM 10/13/2003, Skip wrote:

>This is kinda techno-nerdy which might not match your user population very 
>well, but in many/most situations people should be able to look at the 
>Received: headers (when the personalization footer is absent) and work 
>their way from bottom to top to see what address of theirs is subscribed 
>based upon who it's being delivered to.  Here are the Received: headers I 
>got from your message, numbered for convenience: . . . .

I did a test and saw my own address in the header.  However, in trying to 
explain to the user over the phone that she could see the addressed 
subscribed, she swore it wasn't there.  So I took her word for 
it.  However, I believe if she was showing full headers, it probably would 
have been there.

I like the suggestion to personalize the footer.  I'm going to do that so 
it'll say what address is subscribed.

Thanks for everyone's help!

Allan




From brad.galiette at snet.net  Tue Oct 14 01:50:57 2003
From: brad.galiette at snet.net (Brad W. Galiette)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:50:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Exim and Wrapper..,
Message-ID: <001e01c391e4$d9397be0$6500000a@polaristar.com>

I am running Mailman 2.1.3 with Exim 3 on a CPanel environment (Linux).
While I have successfully installed Mailman and have configured my web
server to respond to HTTP requests properly, the actual attempts to send
mail to a list have failed because of a problem with the GID wrapper.  I
have changed this to many values by recompiling and while I have been able
to receive intermittent performance, CPanel is configured in such a way so
that Exim is launches under *many* different GIDs as opposed to a single
such identifier.  Is there any way in which I can disable the wrapper GID
check, modify it so that it operates with CPanel, or obtain a version
(source or binary) of Mailman that does not have this check?

Thank you in advance for your support!

Regards,
Brad Galiette





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 14 02:40:40 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 13 Oct 2003 20:40:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] script to view all lists and subscribers in
	one file
In-Reply-To: <oprwz44pynyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
References: <oprwz44pynyehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
Message-ID: <1066092040.2625.165.camel@Anncons4>

~mailman/bin/find_member <boss' email address>

On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 18:08, Merle Reine wrote:
> I have over 181 mailing lists with numerous users on each list.  I need a 
> way to list all the lists and their respective users/admin/list mod in one 
> file.
> 
> I know there is the : list_lists and list_members, etc.  but one only 
> lists lists and no users, the other, list users but I have to run the 
> script for each list.
> 
> Has anyone found a way/wrote a script to output all of the lists and their 
> users for easier management?  If my boss asks me what lists he is on, I 
> have to search each list.  I would like to run: ./list_all > all_lists.txt 
> and have it output:
> 
> 381 lists
> Abuse
> 	tom.jones at domain.com [list moderator]
> 	joe.blow at domain.com
> 	john.doe at domain.com
> staff
> 	eric.welch at domain.com [list moderator]
> 	arnold.schwarzenegger at domain.com
> 	etc.
> 
> All in one outputted list for any employee to view via some url I move the 
> outputted file to.
> 
> Also, If I make the lists not visible via URL, i.e. 
> http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo then how can I manage them as an admin 
> unless I know all of the list names (381 so far)?
> 
> Can I make them not publicly viewable but still be able to view them via 
> the web as an admin as a list?
> 
> Once not viewable, http://domain.com/mailman/admin does not show the lists 
> either.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 14 04:55:19 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 13 Oct 2003 22:55:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rebuild list archives
In-Reply-To: <20031011181649.GA1275@toshiba>
References: <20031011181649.GA1275@toshiba>
Message-ID: <1066100119.2625.203.camel@Anncons4>

On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 14:16, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> What do I have to do for rebuild dayly based listarchives into monthly 
> based archs? At the moment I see a link for evry day on my archive page 
> but I want to have a monthly view. I've allready reconfigured the 
> listconfig from dayly to monthly archiving, but after running $bin/arch I 
> have still the links for evry day... :-(
> 
> Can someone give me a hint?
> 
> Best regards and thanks,
> Schoeppi

Run arch with the --wipe option. That will remove the old archives
first.




From jeffrey at goldmark.org  Tue Oct 14 04:58:22 2003
From: jeffrey at goldmark.org (Jeffrey Goldberg)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:58:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Exim and Wrapper..,
In-Reply-To: <001e01c391e4$d9397be0$6500000a@polaristar.com>
References: <001e01c391e4$d9397be0$6500000a@polaristar.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0310131955250.9443@betty.goldmark.private>

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Brad W. Galiette wrote:

> CPanel is configured in such a way so that Exim is launches under *many*
> different GIDs as opposed to a single such identifier.  Is there any way
> in which I can disable the wrapper GID check, modify it so that it
> operates with CPanel, or obtain a version (source or binary) of Mailman
> that does not have this check?

Better still, you can modify your exim configure file to have a special
director for the mailman alias which specified the GID that any such
deliveries be run under.

-j

-- 
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 Relativism is the triumph of authority over truth, convention over justice
 Hate spam?  Boycott MCI! http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/anti-spam/mci/



From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Oct 14 05:53:30 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:53:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: script to view all lists and subscribers in one
	file
In-Reply-To: <E1A9FTJ-0005LI-GQ@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A9FTJ-0005LI-GQ@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031013222953.043e1818@mail.thcwd.com>

Merle Reine wrote:
>Can I make them not publicly viewable but still be able to view them via
>the web as an admin as a list?
>
>Once not viewable, http://domain.com/mailman/admin does not show the lists
>either.

      Write your own admin page with links.  I have one that uses a meta to 
refresh periodically because I have a cron job that lets me know when a 
list has pending messages.  I've attached the top of the table and the per 
list entry for my admin page, with the cron jobs below it.  Every other row 
has no colour set in the <tr>, to give an easy to read table.
      Note that the member count is not the best way to do it, I just have 
not had time to fix it.


<>< Paul 
-------------- next part --------------
                <table border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="2" width="780" bgcolor="#e3bda3">
                        <tr>
                                <td align="center" width="145">Admin/<br>Web Site</td>
                                <td width="60" align="center">Pend</td>
                                <td align="center" width="70">Members</td>
                                <td width="230" align="center">Members</td>
                                <td width="60" align="center">Archives</td>
                                <td width="40" align="center">Info Page</td>
                                <td width="50" align="center">HTML Pages</td>
                                <td>&nbsp;</td>
                        </tr>

                        <tr bgcolor="#EED5C4">
                                <td align="center"><a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/general"target="_blank">TMB Main</a><br>
                                                <a href="http://www.<listname>.com/index.shtml" target="_blank">WebSite</a></td>
                                <td align="center"><a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admindb/<listname>" target="_blank">
                                        <!--#include virtual="/mmcount/<listname>" --></a></td>
                                <td align="center"><a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members/add" target="_blank">add</a>
                                <br><a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members/list" target="_blank">
                                         <!--#include virtual="/mmcount/<listname>count.html" --></a></td>
                                <td align="center" width="230">
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=1" target="_blank">1</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=a" target="_blank">A</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=b" target="_blank">B</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=c" target="_blank">C</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=d" target="_blank">D</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=e" target="_blank">E</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=f" target="_blank">F</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=g" target="_blank">G</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=h" target="_blank">H</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=i" target="_blank">I</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=j" target="_blank">J</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=k" target="_blank">K</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=l" target="_blank">L</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=m" target="_blank">M</a>
<br>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=n" target="_blank">N</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=o" target="_blank">O</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=p" target="_blank">P</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=q" target="_blank">Q</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=r" target="_blank">R</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=s" target="_blank">S</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=t" target="_blank">T</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=u" target="_blank">U</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=v" target="_blank">V</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=w" target="_blank">W</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=x" target="_blank">X</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=y" target="_blank">Y</a>
<a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?letter=z" target="_blank">Z</a>
                                </td>
                                <td align="center"><a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/private/<listname>/" target="_blank">archive</a></td>
                                <td align="center"><a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/listinfo/<listname>" target="_blank">info</a></td>
                                <td align="center"><a href="http://foo.bar.com/mailman/edithtml/<listname>" target="_blank">edit</a></td>
                                <td align="center"></td>
                        </tr>

------------------------------- memcount cron job ---------------  

/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members  <listname> | wc -l > /var/www/html/mmcount/<listname>count.html

------------------------------- pendingcount cron job ---------------

find /usr/local/mailman/data -name "*<listname>*" | wc -l > /var/www/html/mmcoun/<listname>

From mailman-digest at david-lamotte.net  Tue Oct 14 08:32:56 2003
From: mailman-digest at david-lamotte.net (David Lamotte)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:02:56 +0930
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing users from file
Message-ID: <3f8b9898.160e7.0@internode.on.net>

Hi,

I'm using the "Subscribe from File" feature to bulk subscribe users in ver 2.1,
and have worked out how to include the name and email address, but can I also
include other details like delivery proference and moderation setting?  I couldn't
find any docco on this feature.

I am moving 500 users off YahooGroups and would like to preserve the subscribers
current settings.

Thanks!
David



From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Tue Oct 14 13:31:02 2003
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:31:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mail not getting through to AOL
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0310140729530.20443-100000@seyyav.pair.com>

Allan,

You're best bet is to have your AOL users complain to AOL directly about
not getting their mail.  I've been dealing with this for two years and
have got nowhere contact AOL.

Sean




From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Tue Oct 14 14:29:23 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:29:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to approve a moderated post via email reply?
In-Reply-To: <oprwz5cczryehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
References: <oprwz5cczryehwa9@smtp.lindows.com>
Message-ID: <3F8BEC23.6050203@mitre.org>

Merle,

1. The format is "Approved: password".  But.

1.a.  This should be a header - but few email clients (MUAs) support 
adding a new header.

1.b.  Your other choice is to make sure it is the first line of text. 
If you are sending in HTML format, it won't be.

2.  You are sent a message with two attachments.  The main message tells 
you you have to moderate something.  The first attachment is the 
original message to moderate.  The second attachment is the instruction 
message.

2.a.  You have to reply to the instruction message to approve or 
disapprove the message.  This can be very difficult with most MUAs.

2.b.  The alternative is to compose a new message.  Make sure it is to 
the listname-request address (which it would be if you replied to the 
second attachment message).  Make sure it has the same Subject.  This is 
particularly important because Mailman is looking for "confirm ..." with 
the long string following to identify the message being approved or not.

Hope this helps.

Merle Reine wrote:
> I have a moderated list of staff at somedomain.com.  When the list 
> moderator gets an email to approve/deny a post, I know he gets a url to 
> go to to approve/deny the post.  It also talks about replying to the 
> email with an "Approved" subject and password to approve the post via 
> email reply.
> 
> Does anyone know the format of the reply?  I have tried "Approve" 
> "Approved"  with the password etc, in the subject of the reply but none 
> work.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own





From Michael.Peters at acbl.net  Tue Oct 14 15:29:31 2003
From: Michael.Peters at acbl.net (Peters, Michael D.)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:29:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Make Install error?
Message-ID: <7123686DE5E178419A879D4FD12976E30156481E@exchange.acbl.net>

I am building Mailman 2.1.3 on Solaris 9 using gcc. The configuration goes
just fine using: ./configure --with-mail-gid=qmail

During the "make install" I get the following:

Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 47, in ?
    from Mailman import Utils
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ?
    import cgi
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ?
    import urllib
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
    import socket
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
    from _socket import *
ImportError: No module named _socket
make: *** [update] Error 1

I assume this is not good. Can anyone shed some light on this and how to fix
it?

Best regards,

Michael D. Peters 






From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Oct 14 16:18:08 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:18:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Make Install error?
In-Reply-To: <7123686DE5E178419A879D4FD12976E30156481E@exchange.acbl.net>
Message-ID: <3C3ED262-FE51-11D7-B141-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 02:29  pm, Peters, Michael D. wrote:

> I am building Mailman 2.1.3 on Solaris 9 using gcc. The configuration 
> goes
> just fine using: ./configure --with-mail-gid=qmail
>
> During the "make install" I get the following:
>
> Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "bin/update", line 47, in ?
>     from Mailman import Utils
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ?
>     import cgi
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ?
>     import urllib
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
>     import socket
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
>     from _socket import *
> ImportError: No module named _socket
> make: *** [update] Error 1
>
> I assume this is not good. Can anyone shed some light on this and how 
> to fix
> it?
>

There have been a nuumber of previous posts about this. Check the 
archives, for instance:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg18979.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg14773.html

> Best regards,
>
> Michael D. Peters
>
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From hchinn at hillel.org  Tue Oct 14 18:05:11 2003
From: hchinn at hillel.org (Chinn, Hindy)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:05:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] view all members
Message-ID: <A7C3955F62F2E742A12A4AB07C09ADEC67EA75@moses.ad.hillel.org>

How can we see all the subscribers in the management screen, and not
have them broken out by alphabet lists that require multiple clicking?
 
Hindy


From Brett at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca  Tue Oct 14 18:32:27 2003
From: Brett at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca (Brett Delmage)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:32:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to configure multiple mailmen for virtual
	service?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0310141215270.3101-100000@pannier.cfsc.ottawa.on.ca>

I want to install 3 mailman configs, each to serve a different cirtual
domain on my host. I know this has been done but my search of the archives
didn't turn up any specifics.

i have been running a single instance of mailman for a few years.

Could someone who has done this please confirm that what I need to do is
build and install 3 instances of mailman, from their own
source directories? Or from a single source dir, configing and installing
3 times?

Please confirm first step is to run ./configure (then make), with the
following set to unique paths set as configure options?

--datadir=<domain specific path>
--sharedstatedir=<domain specific path>
--localstatedir=<domain specific path>
--with-var-prefix=<domain specific path>
--with-mailhost=<domain specific>
--with-url-host=<domain specific>

Is this the complete set or does it include redundant shareable
components?

Any suggestions for the directory hierarchy?

Not sure what the issues are regarding the different cron jobs or runtime
invocations when three are created.

I haven't really worked this through yet (obviously), and was hoping
someone has steps down pat (and knows the caveats!)

I am running postfix MTA.

Many thanks for your experience,

  Brett





From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Oct 14 18:56:39 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:56:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Subscribing users from file
In-Reply-To: <E1A9Rcr-0002WR-SF@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A9Rcr-0002WR-SF@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031014114431.044de788@mail.thcwd.com>

David wrote:
>I'm using the "Subscribe from File" feature to bulk subscribe users in ver 
>2.1,
>and have worked out how to include the name and email address, but can I also
>include other details like delivery proference and moderation setting?  I 
>couldn't
>find any docco on this feature.
>
>I am moving 500 users off YahooGroups and would like to preserve the 
>subscribers
>current settings.

      I'm in the process of doing this myself, and there is no easy way as 
far as I can see.  I did the additions in groups
      I assume you have exported the member list from Yahoo.  Drop it in a 
spread sheet program and do some sorting.  Sort by method they receive 
mail.  A few will be off because they out in their real name and it pushes 
moderation one column right of where it should be - cut and paste those 
into the right place and sort again.  Now you can add each delivery option 
separately. All adds are set to individual mail, and you have to change 
them on Mailman after you add them. Add the NoMail folks first, then go 
through the Mailman member list and change all to NoMail.  Next add the 
Digest folks, then go to the Mailman member list and change all those who 
are not showing as NoMail to Digest.  Finally add the Individual E-mail 
folks and you are done.
      For moderation you just have to go through and set them.  Sort the 
information on your spread sheet alphabetically for the e-mail column . If 
you have a second person to read them out while you make the changes you 
can do it fast.
      You should be able to do a 500 person list in well under an hour 
start to finish - faster with a second person.  And welcome to the ex-Y!G 
fellowship.  One more this weekend and I'm gone from there!


<>< Paul 




From ascypaa at ascypaa.org  Mon Oct 13 18:16:44 2003
From: ascypaa at ascypaa.org (webmaster)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:16:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarders and lists
Message-ID: <20031013161644.39828.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com>

does anyone know how to use a forwarder from another server with a list to make it appear as though the list is one that server?


From rxbbq at mindspring.com  Tue Oct 14 16:45:21 2003
From: rxbbq at mindspring.com (Emory Joseph)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:45:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list help needed
Message-ID: <BBB15A11.9D43%rxbbq@mindspring.com>

I'm finally trying to sort out how to get my mailing list going.
If you aren't the person to write, I'd appreciate it if you'll tell me who
might be.

Problem detail.......

On my news and information page -

http://emoryjoseph.com/mailman/listinfo/emoryjoseph_emoryjoseph.com

The "To post a message to all the list members"
Address is all convoluted and won't send from my mail program.
How can I change this?

Thanks in advance,

Emory Joseph




From replies at spanishridge.com  Tue Oct 14 19:45:05 2003
From: replies at spanishridge.com (Replies)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:45:05 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment with every message
Message-ID: <013501c3927a$e86dc800$bb00060a@nd6443>

Every message I send out to my list has an included attachment that contains the footer.  How can I make the footer be part of the original message and not have use attachments to see it?

Thanks.

-Rob



From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Tue Oct 14 20:11:59 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:11:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mail not getting through to AOL
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0310140729530.20443-100000@seyyav.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0310140729530.20443-100000@seyyav.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20031014181159.GE5010@hq.newdream.net>

On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 07:31:02AM -0400, Sean wrote:

> You're best bet is to have your AOL users complain to AOL directly
> about not getting their mail.  I've been dealing with this for two
> years and have got nowhere contact AOL.

Their postmaster and anti-spam departments have gotten a lot more
responsive lately; I've had good luck both from emailing postmaster@
and from calling the number listed at postmaster.info.aol.com.

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Oct 14 20:57:25 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:57:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list help needed
In-Reply-To: <BBB15A11.9D43%rxbbq@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <3FFD401C-FE78-11D7-B141-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 03:45  pm, Emory Joseph wrote:

> I'm finally trying to sort out how to get my mailing list going.
> If you aren't the person to write, I'd appreciate it if you'll tell me 
> who
> might be.
>
> Problem detail.......
>
> On my news and information page -
>
> http://emoryjoseph.com/mailman/listinfo/emoryjoseph_emoryjoseph.com
>
> The "To post a message to all the list members"
> Address is all convoluted and won't send from my mail program.
> How can I change this?
>

The information you need that will probably fix this is here:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

Make sure your mm_cfg.py file has the information shown under the 
"Changing hostnames" heading and run bin/fix_url.py as described at bit 
further down on that FAQ page.

> Thanks in advance,
>
> Emory Joseph
>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Oct 15 00:31:19 2003
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:31:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of approved senders?
Message-ID: <000901c392a2$e36e74d0$0b7a799f@chris>

Is there a command that will allow me to view all the approved senders on a
list? The config_list command doesn't do it, and obviously, the entire
subscription list doesn't show me.


Christopher Adams
Library Systems Analyst
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us




From atrick at prin.edu  Wed Oct 15 05:45:42 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:45:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Code to view subscriber list on listinfo page
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014224020.035c9bf8@mail.prin.edu>

My lists are configured so that only the list admin can view subscriber 
info on the listinfo page.  But quite a few people have been calling asking 
what the admin password is so they can view the list (even though it says 
right there on the page in ITALICS that this is for the administrator 
only).  I've come to the conclusion that I need to take that code off the 
page.  But I don't see it in listinfo.html and can't understand the logic 
of where it's including it from.  Assuming I can find where it's getting 
that part of the page from, would there be any problem in removing it from 
this page?

In the same vein, administrators are asking for a way to see all 
subscribers, not just by letter of the alphabet.  I've told some how to get 
the list emailed to them with a mail command to Mailman, but the list on 
the listinfo page that I want to move is what they're asking for.  They 
would like to be able to get to it from the admin page and not have it on 
the public page.  Is this possible - moving that code to the admin page?

Thanks!

Allan




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Oct 15 06:06:25 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:06:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Code to view subscriber list on listinfo page
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014224020.035c9bf8@mail.prin.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014224020.035c9bf8@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <20031015040625.GB18238@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Allan Trick wrote:
> My lists are configured so that only the list admin can view
> subscriber info on the listinfo page.  But quite a few people have
> been calling asking what the admin password is so they can view the
> list (even though it says right there on the page in ITALICS that
> this is for the administrator only).  I've come to the conclusion
> that I need to take that code off the page.  But I don't see it in
> listinfo.html and can't understand the logic of where it's including
> it from.  Assuming I can find where it's getting that part of the
> page from, would there be any problem in removing it from this page?

I don't think you'd have any problems.  I've done that on some lists.
What you want to edit in listinfo.html is the part that looks like
this:

    <MM-Roster-Form-Start>
    <MM-Roster-Option>
        <MM-Form-End>
      <p>

> In the same vein, administrators are asking for a way to see all
> subscribers, not just by letter of the alphabet.  I've told some how
> to get the list emailed to them with a mail command to Mailman, but
> the list on the listinfo page that I want to move is what they're
> asking for.  They would like to be able to get to it from the admin
> page and not have it on the public page.  Is this possible - moving
> that code to the admin page?

Sure.  To add a link on the right hand side of the page, you could
change ~mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py like so:

- --- Mailman/Cgi/admin.py~	Tue Oct 14 23:53:41 2003
+++ Mailman/Cgi/admin.py	Tue Oct 14 23:53:47 2003
@@ -405,8 +405,6 @@
                             _('Tend to pending moderator requests')))
     otherlinks.AddItem(Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo'),
                             _('Go to the general list information page')))
+    otherlinks.AddItem(Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('roster'),
+                            _('View the membership roster for this list')))
     otherlinks.AddItem(Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('edithtml'),
                             _('Edit the public HTML pages')))
     otherlinks.AddItem(Link(mlist.GetBaseArchiveURL(),

That worked for me in a few quick tests.

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From Uwe.Krause at fep.fhg.de  Wed Oct 15 10:52:15 2003
From: Uwe.Krause at fep.fhg.de (Krause, Uwe)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:52:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE:Attachment, Euro Sign
Message-ID: <8DDE8CA53DC5F24DA4B7D074DDE8109F08C08A@midgard.fep.fhg.de>


FAQ 3.19 :

3.19. How do I prevent Mailman to attach signs when the mail body is not ASCII?
When I send a letter to a Mailman 2.1 mailserver, and the body of the mail contains non-ASCII characters, the sign I set for the list comes in attachment. The sign just contains ASCII characters. How do I enforce Mailman no to attach the sign, but to send it in the body? 

... but no answer up to this time & I am searching for the same problem :-(.

Another problem is the german euro sign .... no way i my eyes to get the character through the mailman (using 2.1.3).
I want a plain/text list using stripmime.pl ... this work?s fine for me. Messages with Euro sign were never been a problem in mailman 2.0.6, but i discoverd the problem now in 2.1.3 after upgrade. Is there any suggestion someone could made ?

Thanks for your help !!

Uwe




From i.bapty at student.umist.ac.uk  Wed Oct 15 11:56:51 2003
From: i.bapty at student.umist.ac.uk (Iain Bapty)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:56:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Zest as an Archiver
Message-ID: <3F8D19E3.5070506@student.umist.ac.uk>

Hey,

I'm a 3rd year Computer Science student at UMIST in Manchester, UK just 
starting my 3rd year project. My project is to create a new archiver 
component for Mailman based on Zest. I'm posting this message to both 
User and Developer lists as I would appreciate feedback from as many 
people as possible (for my requirements capture stage).

I have a number of questions

    * What problems exist with the Pipermail Archiver?
    * What features would you like to see in a new Archiver?
    * Would you be willing for me to email you questions in the future
      (not on the groups)?

Any replies are very much appreciated.

Thanks a lot

Iain Bapty




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 13:54:59 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:54:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Zest as an Archiver
In-Reply-To: <3F8D19E3.5070506@student.umist.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <67440EFC-FF06-11D7-B141-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

Hi Iain

On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 10:56  am, Iain Bapty wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I'm a 3rd year Computer Science student at UMIST in Manchester, UK 
> just starting my 3rd year project. My project is to create a new 
> archiver component for Mailman based on Zest.

Sounds like an project that could be of interest to the Mailman 
community and certainly to me.

That said, I could not find out much about Zest from the sourceforge 
project page but presumably you have better access.

> I'm posting this message to both User and Developer lists as I would 
> appreciate feedback from as many people as possible (for my 
> requirements capture stage).
>
> I have a number of questions
>
>    * What problems exist with the Pipermail Archiver?

Having contributed patches to to tightly integrate HTdig with 
MM/pipermail for archive search and MHonArc with MM/pipermail for HTML 
archive index and message page generation you can get some idea of what 
some of my interests are. These patches are no more than stop-gaps to 
provide a better Mailman-based solution pending a replacement archiver. 
But that said, you may find the installation notes associated with 
sourceforge patches #444879, #444884 and #820723 identify some of the 
deficiencies in Mailman's pipermail archiver. You can find these 
patches on sourceforge or on my own site at:

http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/index.html

The archiver class structure and code is not that bad. But they are not 
that good. The whole thing is a series of interlocked classes calling 
back and forth which makes code comprehension, maintenance and 
enhancement a real problem for me. I regularly trip over aspects of the 
class partitioning and if it were not written in Python (which helps my 
comprehension tremendously compared with Perl, C, C++, Java, etc) I 
would have given up a long time ago.

The interfaces to allow/facilitate integration of third party elements, 
such as a search engine or an alternative HTML page generator to 
Mailman's builtin archiver, are limted to non-existent; these elements 
must be either very loosely associated or the core pipermail/Mailman 
code has to be hacked, fairly brutally in my case because I am a clumsy 
person.

I think my primary criticism is the lack of decoupling of the elements 
that comprise the archiving facility as a whole; top level archive 
organisation and management versus archive HTML page generation for 
instance.

The per-list options for archive organisation into 
yearly/monthly/weekly/daily periods appropriate for each list is a good 
feature of pipermail and should be a design objective for its 
replacement. This should be related to my comment below on archive 
aging and related
maintenance.

>    * What features would you like to see in a new Archiver?

A properly decoupled design based on a sound class structure which is 
specifically designed too allow extensibility by third party code. I am 
thinking here of being able to use sub-classing and/or registration of 
call back functions to a well defined framework to add extensions to 
the base capability. While it has its own issues, the model of 
registered callbacks handling different aspects of the transaction 
lifecycle used by Apache modules is interesting and demonstrably 
effective in allowing an open-ended and extensible solution; I am 
commenting on code organisation not implementation language: stick with 
Python.

Full top level management of the archives, through extensions/additions 
to MM's list admin web GUI would be a win. A significant number of list 
owners are using Mailman through things like cPanel, in hosted 
environments, which deny them access to the command line. Some would 
say that migrating/making available all of MM's command line options 
through the web admin GUI would be a good thing.

A frequently requested feature which is now unavailable is the ability 
to "edit" the archives to remove general cruft and/or inappropriate 
postings via the admin web GUI which, at present, can only be done 
using the command line and external editors. That said, I would want to 
see such a feature controlled on a per-list basis; some of the lists on 
a site I manage are effectively used for archiving email for legal 
purposes and such editing is thus prohibited.

A coherent strategy for handling aging of archive content and deletion 
of material based on per-list criteria would definitely be on my wish 
list.  The overall management of a list's archive is as important as 
the minutiae of archive page generation.

The handling of multipart MIME messages in the HTML archive needs to be 
improved; MHonArc has a reputation of being better than MM/pipermail in 
this respect.

Any new archiver must aim to produce a unique identifier, invariant 
over HTML archive rebuilds, for each posting so that externally held 
references to the mail archives are undisturbed by rebuilding, except 
where material has been expunged.

I consider the private/public archive facility of MM/pipermail to be a 
'must have' feature, which must be preserved over archive search. The 
ability to change a list from private to public and vice versa without 
having to rebuild the archives is important.

Archiving must be fast and have sensible performance characteristics 
when dealing with very large archives. pipermail/MM is weak in this 
respect.

If archives are structured by period, the threading should extend 
across the period boundaries.

A number of people have asked for the ability to ask for an archived 
posting to be mailed out to them in the same manner as when it was 
originally distributed to susbscribers.

Must be a lot more things I want but I'll let you prompt for for 
further input if you want it.

You could to worse than take a look through the mailman-users archives 
for the last 12 months to find a fair number of criticisms/request 
regarding MM archiving capability but I guess you already have that in 
hand.

>    * Would you be willing for me to email you questions in the future
>      (not on the groups)?
>

Fine by me.

> Any replies are very much appreciated.
>
> Thanks a lot
>

Best of luck. Keep us posted on your progress.

> Iain Bapty
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From barry at python.org  Wed Oct 15 13:58:38 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:58:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Zest as an Archiver
In-Reply-To: <3F8D19E3.5070506@student.umist.ac.uk>
References: <3F8D19E3.5070506@student.umist.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1066219118.17491.24.camel@anthem>

On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 05:56, Iain Bapty wrote:

> I'm a 3rd year Computer Science student at UMIST in Manchester, UK just 
> starting my 3rd year project. My project is to create a new archiver 
> component for Mailman based on Zest. I'm posting this message to both 
> User and Developer lists as I would appreciate feedback from as many 
> people as possible (for my requirements capture stage).

Folks, please help Iain out.  Thanks!

-Barry

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From i.bapty at student.umist.ac.uk  Wed Oct 15 14:14:52 2003
From: i.bapty at student.umist.ac.uk (Iain Bapty)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:14:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Zest as an Archiver
In-Reply-To: <67440EFC-FF06-11D7-B141-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <67440EFC-FF06-11D7-B141-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3F8D3A3C.8060904@student.umist.ac.uk>

Richard Barrett wrote:

> Sounds like an project that could be of interest to the Mailman 
> community and certainly to me.
>
> That said, I could not find out much about Zest from the sourceforge 
> project page but presumably you have better access.

Ka-Ping Yee's paper on Zest and prototype can be found at

http://zesty.ca/zest/

Thanks for you very in-depth reply. I'm sure I will have many more 
questions once I get into full swing.

Iain




From Uwe.Krause at fep.fhg.de  Wed Oct 15 15:33:35 2003
From: Uwe.Krause at fep.fhg.de (Krause, Uwe)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:33:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE:Attachment, Euro Sign
Message-ID: <8DDE8CA53DC5F24DA4B7D074DDE8109F08C08B@midgard.fep.fhg.de>

Hello,

i made some tests and found out that the Euro sign works well if the mailling list is english 
(Natural language (internationalization) options.)... but i need a german list with german messages for the user !

How can i change the content type regarding the chosen language ?!?!

Using Mailman 2.1.3/Linux Suse 7.3/Python 2.3.1

Thank?s,

Uwe



From amanda at welfarelaw.org  Tue Oct 14 23:59:07 2003
From: amanda at welfarelaw.org (Amanda Hickman)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:59:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] dump the queue??
Message-ID: <A2671BA8-FE91-11D7-A0DA-000393B4CC86@welfarelaw.org>


My request is twofold:

1) a "discard all" button in the admindb/administrative requests 
interface, so that when the list address gets caught by a virus that 
continually sends out .pif files re thank you or my details or wicked 
screensaver, you can approve the messages that should go to the list 
and then hit the "discard all" button that will set the rest to discard.

2) some kind of queue dump at the command line side, so that as the 
site administrator I can do that for someone, just clear out their 
whole queue if it got clogged up and they just want to ditch everything 
in it.

Are either of those possible?




From bruno at cripta.com.br  Wed Oct 15 08:18:58 2003
From: bruno at cripta.com.br (Bruno Nepomuceno)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:18:58 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users with name
Message-ID: <3F8CBCA2.12351.5A4F8F6@localhost>

Dear Sr,

Is it possible to add a new user with its name? There is a box where I put email 
addresses. Can I put the name of the user with some extra sintaxe?

Is it possible to add a html link in my web site to add new users automaticaly? I mean, 
users put there addresses in some edit box and click "ok" and they would be 
automaticaly added.

Thanks a lot

Bruno Nepomuceno
Mundo RPG
www.mundorpg.com.br 



From tim at IntegraStrategic.com  Wed Oct 15 15:34:13 2003
From: tim at IntegraStrategic.com (Timothy Brooks)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:34:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with 2.1
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031015092818.03bca828@www.IntegraStrategic.com>


My Web hosting company (VenturesOnline) recently upgraded from Mailman 2.0 
to 2.1, and my list has had some problems ever since then I cannot seem to 
figure out.

The primary issue is that people using Outlook suddenly started receiving 
all messages as attachments. It wasn't everyone, and seemed to be limited 
to people on Exchange Server. But it was a big problem.  I discovered that 
converting my own messages to plain text before sending them out seemed to 
resolve the issue, so I went to 2.1's new section in the manager and told 
Mailman to convert text/html parts to plain text. That seemed to work, but 
then no one could send attachments. (The list is used by the alumni of a 
college singing group, and people frequently send photos of the current 
group in concert.) It was stripping attachments.

So, I added this to the section that supposedly permits specific attachments:

multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain
image

But this caused problems for even more people -- Outlook users who are not 
on Exchange server. (What complicates matters is that I use Eudora, which 
has not had a problem.)

I've gone through the Mailman site and cannot find anything that helps. Do 
you have any insight into this?

One more issue, although it's minor.  When I log into the manager, I am 
taken to the manager's main page.  Whenever I click on anything from there, 
I almost always have to re-enter my password.  Not a big deal, but a bug.

Thanks.

Tim Brooks



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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Oct 15 16:39:32 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:39:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] dump the queue??
In-Reply-To: <A2671BA8-FE91-11D7-A0DA-000393B4CC86@welfarelaw.org>
References: <A2671BA8-FE91-11D7-A0DA-000393B4CC86@welfarelaw.org>
Message-ID: <16269.23588.238966.969591@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Amanda> 2) some kind of queue dump at the command line side, so that as
    Amanda>    the site administrator I can do that for someone, just clear
    Amanda>    out their whole queue if it got clogged up and they just want
    Amanda>    to ditch everything in it.

I posted my mmdiscard.py script the other day not realizing the attachment
would get stripped.  I just added it into my Python Bits page:

    http://www.musi-cal.com/~skip/python/

It's crude (no command line parameters and the password is embedded in the
script), but worked for me.

Skip



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 15 16:46:36 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 15 Oct 2003 10:46:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] dump the queue??
In-Reply-To: <A2671BA8-FE91-11D7-A0DA-000393B4CC86@welfarelaw.org>
References: <A2671BA8-FE91-11D7-A0DA-000393B4CC86@welfarelaw.org>
Message-ID: <1066229196.2596.78.camel@Anncons4>

On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 17:59, Amanda Hickman wrote:
> My request is twofold:
> 
> 1) a "discard all" button in the admindb/administrative requests 
> interface, so that when the list address gets caught by a virus that 
> continually sends out .pif files re thank you or my details or wicked 
> screensaver, you can approve the messages that should go to the list 
> and then hit the "discard all" button that will set the rest to discard.
> 
I believe this is already part of Mailman 2.1.x

> 2) some kind of queue dump at the command line side, so that as the 
> site administrator I can do that for someone, just clear out their 
> whole queue if it got clogged up and they just want to ditch everything 
> in it.

I just delete the files for that list that are in ~mailman/data/..
(works fine in Mailman 2.1.x but not completely fine in earlier
versions)






From gour at mail.inet.hr  Wed Oct 15 17:12:29 2003
From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:12:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Zest as an Archiver
In-Reply-To: <3F8D3A3C.8060904@student.umist.ac.uk>
References: <67440EFC-FF06-11D7-B141-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<3F8D3A3C.8060904@student.umist.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20031015151229.GA18124@mail.inet.hr>

Iain Bapty (i.bapty at student.umist.ac.uk) wrote:

Hi Iain!

> Richard Barrett wrote:
> 
> >Sounds like an project that could be of interest to the Mailman 
> >community and certainly to me.
> >

I can only say that the feature requests stated by Richard, will make me more
than happy.

It's nice that you are considering such a project. htdig+Richard's patches are
great, but the 'infrastructure' of pipermail cannot afford more bells &
whistles.

Wishing you all the best in enhancing Mailman functionality!

Sincerely,
Gour

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From atrick at prin.edu  Wed Oct 15 17:22:03 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:22:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031015095146.02763440@mail.prin.edu>

Hi,

I've read in the mail archive about some problems people have had creating 
umbrella lists.  So I wanted to just check and make sure I'm doing this the 
right way before I make a mess on my own server!

I work at a school and I have a list of parents at each grade level for the 
teachers to use.  The principal now wants to send out a message to all 
parents, and while he could do it by mailing each of the lists separately, 
an umbrella list seems like the way he can mail just one address and all 
the lists would get mailed.  FAQ entry 3.5 talks about some aspects of 
this, but is the basic process this:

1.  Use ./newlist to make the umbrella list.
2.  Add new list info to /etc/aliases; run newaliases.
3.  Add as members of the list the names of the other lists that need to be 
mailed when this umbrella name is sent to.

I've read how some suggest using a script to sync members, but at this 
point I don't really care if people receive duplicate messages because 
they're on more than one of those sublists.

Will there be any confusion among the users other than those duplicate 
messages they may get?  I don't send out password reminders.

Thanks,

Allan




From tobias at kabissa.org  Wed Oct 15 17:39:05 2003
From: tobias at kabissa.org (Tobias Eigen)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:39:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Zest as an Archiver
In-Reply-To: <E1A9nNi-0004P1-S3@mail.python.org>
References: <E1A9nNi-0004P1-S3@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1066232345.3f8d6a19c2b5f@webmail.kabissa.org>

Hi all, 

Glad to see this discussion about improving MM's archiving capabilities. I've 
been really happy with FUD Forum as an archiver for my mailman lists. It's been 
running alongside mhonarc on a test basis on my server for months now, without 
any problems. FUD seems to be relatively unknown.. but is also pretty robust. 
Check it out: http://fud.prohost.org/

FUD Forum includes a script for importing posts that come via e-mail, which 
works immediately - I just need to configure FUD whenever I create new lists. 
Discussions are threaded in typical forum format, attachments are supported, 
etc. The thing I like most about using a forum for archiving lists is that I 
can use the forum's web-based features, such as permissions, to allow list 
owners to moderate and manage their own lists. They are also fully searchable 
and because of the database-driven nature of it you can see interesting 
statistics on for example the number of people that post to lists and the 
number of messages per list, etc. 

Feel free to get in touch off list if you want to discuss more. 

Cheers, 

Tobias

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Quoting "mailman-users-request at python.org" <mailman-users-request at python.org>:

> Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
> 	mailman-users at python.org
> 
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> 	http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> 	mailman-users-request at python.org
> 
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> 	mailman-users-owner at python.org
> 
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."
> 




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 15 17:50:06 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 15 Oct 2003 11:50:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031015095146.02763440@mail.prin.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031015095146.02763440@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <1066233006.2596.103.camel@Anncons4>

Sounds like you will be fine! An umbrella list is meant for you.

Do test it out with some test lists first.  You'll need to alert the
sub-lists that they may get a message that says it's to <Master List
Name>, and the sub-lists will need to accept that message as though it
were sent directly to the list.  Beyond that, I don't think there are
any other gotcha's.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 11:22, Allan Trick wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've read in the mail archive about some problems people have had creating 
> umbrella lists.  So I wanted to just check and make sure I'm doing this the 
> right way before I make a mess on my own server!
> 
> I work at a school and I have a list of parents at each grade level for the 
> teachers to use.  The principal now wants to send out a message to all 
> parents, and while he could do it by mailing each of the lists separately, 
> an umbrella list seems like the way he can mail just one address and all 
> the lists would get mailed.  FAQ entry 3.5 talks about some aspects of 
> this, but is the basic process this:
> 
> 1.  Use ./newlist to make the umbrella list.
> 2.  Add new list info to /etc/aliases; run newaliases.
> 3.  Add as members of the list the names of the other lists that need to be 
> mailed when this umbrella name is sent to.
> 
> I've read how some suggest using a script to sync members, but at this 
> point I don't really care if people receive duplicate messages because 
> they're on more than one of those sublists.
> 
> Will there be any confusion among the users other than those duplicate 
> messages they may get?  I don't send out password reminders.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
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> 
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From rac at bnl.gov  Wed Oct 15 18:32:41 2003
From: rac at bnl.gov (Casella, Richard A)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:32:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] full name from the command line
Message-ID: <28A2E0D6A920954ABBF13AF712CEBDB6027007C6@exchange05.bnl.gov>

I am running Mailman version 2.1. 

I've seen this request a couple of times now, but have never seen
an answer. Is it possible to set the full name of a user on the
command line when using "add_member", "sync_members", or whatever?

Rich
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From liberty6 at twcny.rr.com  Wed Oct 15 22:37:59 2003
From: liberty6 at twcny.rr.com (Eric)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:37:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disregard: Re: MTA config error: non-local users
	not able to access lists via email.
Message-ID: <200310151637.59564.liberty6@twcny.rr.com>

I added 'mailertable' to /etc/mail and did a ./mailmanctl restart
and everything is fine now. Thanks anyway!
Eric



----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

Subject: MTA config error: non-local users not able to access lists via email.
Date: Wednesday 15 October 2003 02:56 pm
From: Eric <liberty6 at twcny.rr.com>
To: mailman-users at python.org

I've installed and configured Mailman. I can create
and use the lists without problems, but the
lists only work for local users. Any remote users
try to join a list via email, and the email request
is "missing in action," and the request is never
processed. I've checked the FAQ's and read
through most of the configuration files to no avail.
Please help me to get sendmail configured.
Thanks!

P.S. Also, as an added bonus, when I tried to
subscribe to a list from my remote email account,
sendmail apparently didn't recognize my aliases in
/etc/mail/aliases and mistook it for a relay. I've included
that output below, maybe it'll help.
Thanks!

mailman-2.1.1
sendmail 8.12.9

Installed mailman from ports. FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE.

>  Final-Recipient: rfc822;testlist-subscribe at northstar.homedns.org
>  Action: failed
>  Status: 5.7.1
>  Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 5.7.1
><testlist-subscribe at northstar.homedns.org>...
>  Relaying denied

-------------------------------------------------------




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Oct 15 15:06:44 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:06:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Zest as an Archiver
In-Reply-To: <67440EFC-FF06-11D7-B141-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <67440EFC-FF06-11D7-B141-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p0600208bbbb2f5766d66@[10.0.1.2]>

At 12:54 PM +0100 2003/10/15, Richard Barrett wrote:

>  I consider the private/public archive facility of MM/pipermail to be a
>  'must have' feature, which must be preserved over archive search. The
>  ability to change a list from private to public and vice versa without
>  having to rebuild the archives is important.

	Today, you can have hidden private lists, but if you know the 
specific URL to go to, you can sign up for them.  It would be nice if 
we could make the archives hidden but not protected by a password, so 
that other people could go to the archives and see them, if they were 
given the proper URL.

	In "hidden" cases like this, it would also be nice if we could 
make the URL have a pseudo-random component that would make it more 
difficult to guess.  Right now, if you know the listname (or 
something close to it) and you know the server, that's all you need.

>  Must be a lot more things I want but I'll let you prompt for for further
>  input if you want it.

	Better handling of foreign languages and MIME, especially 
non-Roman languages?

-- 
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From j.list at blueboxdev.com  Thu Oct 16 10:44:27 2003
From: j.list at blueboxdev.com (Jesse Williams-Proudman)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:44:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Log File
Message-ID: <BBB3A87B.39BB8%j.list@blueboxdev.com>

Can some one send me a sample log file that I can play with some scripts on?
I'm trying to find out if it contains the data I need and I don't want to
compile mailman to find out...

Thanks

-- 
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Blue Box Development :: Custom Web Solutions
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From ben at videonetwork.org  Thu Oct 16 15:23:38 2003
From: ben at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards)
Date: 16 Oct 2003 14:23:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CC upper limit.
Message-ID: <1066310618.699.39.camel@red>

Seem to remember from older versions of mailman there is a way of saying
only let messages through if they are CCd to or sent to a maximum number
of people.  Cant find this in 2.1.2.  Is it still there.

Ben
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 16 17:37:26 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Oct 2003 11:37:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CC upper limit.
In-Reply-To: <1066310618.699.39.camel@red>
References: <1066310618.699.39.camel@red>
Message-ID: <1066318646.3868.6.camel@Anncons4>

On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 09:23, Ben Edwards wrote:
> Seem to remember from older versions of mailman there is a way of saying
> only let messages through if they are CCd to or sent to a maximum number
> of people.  Cant find this in 2.1.2.  Is it still there.
> 
> Ben

Yup.  In the webadmin it's in the Privacy Options / Recipient Filters.

Jon




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Thu Oct 16 17:53:10 2003
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:53:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Code to view subscriber list on listinfo page
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031014224020.035c9bf8@mail.prin.edu>
Message-ID: <001f01c393fd$991bc9d0$0b7a799f@chris>

  cd /lists/bin
  ./config_list -o list_name.txt list_name

  Edit junk.txt and add the following:
  # Increase viewable member list in Admin interface
  admin_member_chunksize = 100  (note: you can make this number whatever you
want, depending on the number of subscribers)

  ./config_list -i list_name.txt list_name
  rm list_name.txt



>
> In the same vein, administrators are asking for a way to see all
> subscribers, not just by letter of the alphabet.  I've told some how to
get
> the list emailed to them with a mail command to Mailman, but the list on
> the listinfo page that I want to move is what they're asking for.  They
> would like to be able to get to it from the admin page and not have it on
> the public page.  Is this possible - moving that code to the admin page?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Allan
>
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From amanda at welfarelaw.org  Wed Oct 15 19:51:33 2003
From: amanda at welfarelaw.org (Amanda Hickman)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:51:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] dump the queue??
In-Reply-To: <1066229196.2596.78.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <37243BAA-FF38-11D7-A537-000393B4CC86@welfarelaw.org>


I think the phrase is RTFM. In the FAQ I found this:

javascript:var el=document.forms[0].elements;for (var i=0;  
i<el.length;i++) if (el[i].type=='radio' && el[i].value==3)  
void(el[i].checked=true);

which works just perfect. It isn't a discard all button on the page,  
but if you hit the bookmark while you are on the admindb page, you can  
watch all the discard buttons flicker on.

So, my apologies and thanks.

On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 10:46  AM, Jon Carnes wrote:

> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 17:59, Amanda Hickman wrote:
>> My request is twofold:
>>
>> 1) a "discard all" button in the admindb/administrative requests
>> interface, so that when the list address gets caught by a virus that
>> continually sends out .pif files re thank you or my details or wicked
>> screensaver, you can approve the messages that should go to the list
>> and then hit the "discard all" button that will set the rest to  
>> discard.
>>
> I believe this is already part of Mailman 2.1.x
>
>> 2) some kind of queue dump at the command line side, so that as the
>> site administrator I can do that for someone, just clear out their
>> whole queue if it got clogged up and they just want to ditch  
>> everything
>> in it.
>
> I just delete the files for that list that are in ~mailman/data/..
> (works fine in Mailman 2.1.x but not completely fine in earlier
> versions)
>
>
>
>
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From liberty6 at twcny.rr.com  Wed Oct 15 20:56:31 2003
From: liberty6 at twcny.rr.com (Eric)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:56:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTA config error: non-local users not able to
	access lists via email.
Message-ID: <200310151456.31702.liberty6@twcny.rr.com>

I've installed and configured Mailman. I can create
and use the lists without problems, but the
lists only work for local users. Any remote users
try to join a list via email, and the email request
is "missing in action," and the request is never
processed. I've checked the FAQ's and read
through most of the configuration files to no avail.
Please help me to get sendmail configured. 
Thanks!

P.S. Also, as an added bonus, when I tried to
subscribe to a list from my remote email account,
sendmail apparently didn't recognize my aliases in
/etc/mail/aliases and mistook it for a relay. I've included
that output below, maybe it'll help.
Thanks!

mailman-2.1.1
sendmail 8.12.9

Installed mailman from ports. FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE.


>  Final-Recipient: rfc822;testlist-subscribe at northstar.homedns.org
>  Action: failed
>  Status: 5.7.1
>  Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 5.7.1 
><testlist-subscribe at northstar.homedns.org>...
>  Relaying denied





From angierix at comcast.net  Thu Oct 16 13:31:38 2003
From: angierix at comcast.net (Angie)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:31:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] downloading problems 
Message-ID: <000801c393d9$115d0140$6501a8c0@SUSIE>

I wanted to find out about downloading the Mailman for a list I am trying to convert over to another type of format.  I currently have a couple of list with yahoo that relate to my business and would like to get away from that.  It looked like this was a free program- but when I go to download I keep getting a message that I am not authorize to view the site. 
Could you help me?
Thank you
Angie 

From johnsonsab at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 16 16:21:56 2003
From: johnsonsab at hotmail.com (Johnson)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:21:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enquiry
Message-ID: <BAY1-DAV230q6AGvN4E000049d6@hotmail.com>

Could you please send me some detail whether the Mailman software supports windows operating system? I saw the downloadable programs as in the Unix tar format. Appreciate your help.

Thanks,

Johnson


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 16 18:17:35 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Oct 2003 12:17:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTA config error: non-local users not able
	to	access lists via email.
In-Reply-To: <200310151456.31702.liberty6@twcny.rr.com>
References: <200310151456.31702.liberty6@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1066321055.4054.1.camel@Anncons4>

Add: "northstar.homedns.org" to /etc/mail/local-host-names then stop and
restart sendmail.
 
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 14:56, Eric wrote:
> I've installed and configured Mailman. I can create
> and use the lists without problems, but the
> lists only work for local users. Any remote users
> try to join a list via email, and the email request
> is "missing in action," and the request is never
> processed. I've checked the FAQ's and read
> through most of the configuration files to no avail.
> Please help me to get sendmail configured. 
> Thanks!
> 
> P.S. Also, as an added bonus, when I tried to
> subscribe to a list from my remote email account,
> sendmail apparently didn't recognize my aliases in
> /etc/mail/aliases and mistook it for a relay. I've included
> that output below, maybe it'll help.
> Thanks!
> 
> mailman-2.1.1
> sendmail 8.12.9
> 
> Installed mailman from ports. FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE.
> 
> 
> >  Final-Recipient: rfc822;testlist-subscribe at northstar.homedns.org
> >  Action: failed
> >  Status: 5.7.1
> >  Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 5.7.1 
> ><testlist-subscribe at northstar.homedns.org>...
> >  Relaying denied
> 
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 16 18:21:41 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Oct 2003 12:21:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] downloading problems
In-Reply-To: <000801c393d9$115d0140$6501a8c0@SUSIE>
References: <000801c393d9$115d0140$6501a8c0@SUSIE>
Message-ID: <1066321301.4054.6.camel@Anncons4>

What URL are attempting to access?
  http://www.list.org/

  http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

Mailman is also distributed with most common Linux distributions (Red
Hat, Mandrake, SuSe, etc...), and is available via ports for the various
BSD's.


On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 07:31, Angie wrote:
> I wanted to find out about downloading the Mailman for a list I am trying to convert over to another type of format.  I currently have a couple of list with yahoo that relate to my business and would like to get away from that.  It looked like this was a free program- but when I go to download I keep getting a message that I am not authorize to view the site. 
> Could you help me?
> Thank you
> Angie 
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 16 18:25:30 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Oct 2003 12:25:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enquiry
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-DAV230q6AGvN4E000049d6@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY1-DAV230q6AGvN4E000049d6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1066321530.4054.11.camel@Anncons4>

On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 10:21, Johnson wrote:
> Could you please send me some detail whether the Mailman software supports windows operating system? I saw the downloadable programs as in the Unix tar format. Appreciate your help.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Johnson

Some hardy souls have made Mailman work on Windows.  However, it is not
for the faint of heart.  You will have a much easier time simply
installing a default Mandrake system and telling it to setup Mailman for
you.  The cost would be ~$60, and the installation is automated very
nicely.  Support is also great - this list *and* your local Linux Users
Group!

You'll never use Windows again!

Jon Carnes




From khera at kcilink.com  Thu Oct 16 18:27:58 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:27:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] downloading problems
In-Reply-To: <1066321301.4054.6.camel@Anncons4>
References: <000801c393d9$115d0140$6501a8c0@SUSIE>
	<1066321301.4054.6.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <16270.50958.897484.844439@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "JC" == Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> writes:

JC> On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 07:31, Angie wrote:
>> I wanted to find out about downloading the Mailman for a list I am trying to convert over to another type of format.  I currently have a couple of list with yahoo that relate to my business and would like to get away from that.  It looked like this was a free program- but when I go to download I keep getting a message that I am not authorize to view the site. 
>> Could you help me?
>> Thank you

I missed the original post...

But there are web filters out there that block access to 'free mail'
servers, in the attempt that employees should not be reading their
personal web-based email from work.

We've run into that trap with our service, which is a newsletter
sending service for companies, when some broken filter decided we
should be blocked based on this type of criterion.  I wouldn't be
surprized if the "not authorized" came from such a filter.

But it is hard to tell based on the exact error text given.

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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Thu Oct 16 19:25:07 2003
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:25:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto generate aliases for mm2.1.3?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310161319580.1274-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>

I'm testing mailman 2.1.3 and was hoping that the -o option for newlist
would actually work (ie auto append to my sendmail aliases file the
appropriate stuff). It doesn't appear to and the only other thing I
found in the archives is using  genaliases but I'd have to munge a
script to get just the piece I want.

Any ideas?
TIA

 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies




From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Oct 16 19:26:43 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:26:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Or just hack it (WAS: Re: Zest as an Archiver)
In-Reply-To: <E1AAAaU-0006Q0-N5@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AAAaU-0006Q0-N5@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031016122121.03b47fd8@mail.thcwd.com>

Brad Knowles wrote:
>It would be nice if we could make the archives hidden but not protected by 
>a password, so
>that other people could go to the archives and see them, if they were 
>given the proper URL.

      You can have a public list that is hidden.  Just set it to no for 
"Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine?" in 
"Privacy options"

>In "hidden" cases like this, it would also be nice if we could
>make the URL have a pseudo-random component that would make it more
>difficult to guess.  Right now, if you know the listname (or
>something close to it) and you know the server, that's all you need.

      I would think you could do that with redirects.


<>< Paul 




From mcp28352 at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 16 20:18:40 2003
From: mcp28352 at bellsouth.net (mcp28352 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:18:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TXT attachments
Message-ID: <20031016181840.BRBA1828.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>

When I receive a post from 2.1.2, the message has the server-add footer as a TXT attachment. It is very annoying. Is there a way to cause the server not to add the footer as an attachment? It's on a shared server to which I do not have root access.




From lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info  Thu Oct 16 20:21:07 2003
From: lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info (Luigi Rosa)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:21:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TXT attachments
In-Reply-To: <20031016181840.BRBA1828.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>
References: <20031016181840.BRBA1828.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <1021359796.20031016202107@mail.hypertrek.info>

Hello mcp28352,
Thursday, October 16, 2003, 8:18:40 PM, you wrote:

mbn> When I receive a post from 2.1.2, the message has the server-add
mbn> footer as a TXT attachment. It is very annoying. Is there a way to cause
mbn> the server not to add the footer as an attachment? It's on a shared
mbn> server to which I do not have root access.

It's a long standing... behaviour caused by different MIME text encoding. I
really hope that this issue will be solved in a way or another soon.


-- 
Best regards,
 Luigi




From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Oct 16 21:16:00 2003
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:16:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TXT attachments
In-Reply-To: <1021359796.20031016202107@mail.hypertrek.info>
Message-ID: <2DA0FB42-000D-11D8-BEB8-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>


On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 07:21  pm, Luigi Rosa wrote:

> Hello mcp28352,
> Thursday, October 16, 2003, 8:18:40 PM, you wrote:
>
> mbn> When I receive a post from 2.1.2, the message has the server-add
> mbn> footer as a TXT attachment. It is very annoying. Is there a way 
> to cause
> mbn> the server not to add the footer as an attachment? It's on a 
> shared
> mbn> server to which I do not have root access.
>
> It's a long standing... behaviour caused by different MIME text 
> encoding. I
> really hope that this issue will be solved in a way or another soon.
>

Simple to solve. Send plain text email.

>
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Luigi




From espiritu at cacities.org  Fri Oct 17 00:03:09 2003
From: espiritu at cacities.org (Roger Espiritu)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:03:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to retrieve user passwords
Message-ID: <783E96D4142B9548B92E59451AD42B37E1F30D@lcc2.cacities.org>

Does anyone know how I can locate a user's password that had been sent
out on thier first subscription?
 
-Roger

 
 


From mchamber at macromedia.com  Fri Oct 17 00:07:20 2003
From: mchamber at macromedia.com (Mike Chambers)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:07:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [spam] being added to subject
Message-ID: <010601c39431$e491bad0$3e02c80a@ibmyc2megxvj11>

I just set up mailman-2.1-8. Everything is working fine except it adds
"[spam]" to every single message to the list.

I have looked through the admin, and the docs and cannot figure out how to
prevent this. Any suggestions?

mike c




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Fri Oct 17 00:26:35 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:26:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [spam] being added to subject
In-Reply-To: <010601c39431$e491bad0$3e02c80a@ibmyc2megxvj11>
References: <010601c39431$e491bad0$3e02c80a@ibmyc2megxvj11>
Message-ID: <20031016222635.GB28403@hq.newdream.net>

On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:07:20PM -0700, Mike Chambers wrote:

> I just set up mailman-2.1-8. Everything is working fine except it adds
> "[spam]" to every single message to the list.
> 
> I have looked through the admin, and the docs and cannot figure out how to
> prevent this. Any suggestions?

Is the name of the list "spam"? You can turn off the prefix for posts on
the "general options" page - just set it to an empty string.

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")




From RichardD at presbyterian.org.nz  Fri Oct 17 00:40:26 2003
From: RichardD at presbyterian.org.nz (Richard Davis)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:40:26 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TXT attachments
Message-ID: <0295F6581DE0BA4190CAA8D0073D94141C849E@pdc.pcanz.org.nz>

This is a pain that only happens on HTML emails

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+richardd=presbyterian.org.nz at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+richardd=presbyterian.org.nz at python.org]On
Behalf Of Richard Barrett
Sent: Friday, 17 October 2003 8:16 a.m.
To: Luigi Rosa
Cc: Mailman Users
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] TXT attachments



On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 07:21  pm, Luigi Rosa wrote:

> Hello mcp28352,
> Thursday, October 16, 2003, 8:18:40 PM, you wrote:
>
> mbn> When I receive a post from 2.1.2, the message has the server-add
> mbn> footer as a TXT attachment. It is very annoying. Is there a way 
> to cause
> mbn> the server not to add the footer as an attachment? It's on a 
> shared
> mbn> server to which I do not have root access.
>
> It's a long standing... behaviour caused by different MIME text 
> encoding. I
> really hope that this issue will be solved in a way or another soon.
>

Simple to solve. Send plain text email.

>
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Luigi


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From mchamber at macromedia.com  Fri Oct 17 01:06:45 2003
From: mchamber at macromedia.com (Mike Chambers)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:06:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [spam] being added to subject
References: <010601c39431$e491bad0$3e02c80a@ibmyc2megxvj11>
	<20031016222635.GB28403@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <002801c3943a$2c5be5e0$3e02c80a@ibmyc2megxvj11>

No. It is not spam (I double checked that).

So the subject looks like this:

[spam][listname]subject here

mike chambers

mesh at macromedia.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Will Yardley" <william+mm at hq.newdream.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:26 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [spam] being added to subject


> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:07:20PM -0700, Mike Chambers wrote:
>
> > I just set up mailman-2.1-8. Everything is working fine except it adds
> > "[spam]" to every single message to the list.
> >
> > I have looked through the admin, and the docs and cannot figure out how
to
> > prevent this. Any suggestions?
>
> Is the name of the list "spam"? You can turn off the prefix for posts on
> the "general options" page - just set it to an empty string.




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Fri Oct 17 01:25:23 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:25:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [spam] being added to subject
In-Reply-To: <002801c3943a$2c5be5e0$3e02c80a@ibmyc2megxvj11>
References: <010601c39431$e491bad0$3e02c80a@ibmyc2megxvj11>
	<20031016222635.GB28403@hq.newdream.net>
	<002801c3943a$2c5be5e0$3e02c80a@ibmyc2megxvj11>
Message-ID: <20031016232523.GD28403@hq.newdream.net>

On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:06:45PM -0700, Mike Chambers wrote:

> No. It is not spam (I double checked that).
> 
> So the subject looks like this:
> 
> [spam][listname]subject here

More than likely, then, this is due to a spam filter that has nothing to
do with Mailman. Are you sure that such a spam filter doesn't exist on
the system in question? Have you checked the headers for evidence of
such a filter?

I've never heard of Mailman itself doing something like this. 

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct 17 01:43:17 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Oct 2003 19:43:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to retrieve user passwords
In-Reply-To: <783E96D4142B9548B92E59451AD42B37E1F30D@lcc2.cacities.org>
References: <783E96D4142B9548B92E59451AD42B37E1F30D@lcc2.cacities.org>
Message-ID: <1066347797.4745.31.camel@Anncons4>

On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 18:03, Roger Espiritu wrote:
> Does anyone know how I can locate a user's password that had been sent
> out on thier first subscription?
>  
> -Roger

My Mailman home directory is /var/mailman.  To find the password for
JonC for list test2, I run:
  ./dumpdb /var/mailman/lists/test2/config.pck |grep jonc

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct 17 01:49:41 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Oct 2003 19:49:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [spam] being added to subject
In-Reply-To: <010601c39431$e491bad0$3e02c80a@ibmyc2megxvj11>
References: <010601c39431$e491bad0$3e02c80a@ibmyc2megxvj11>
Message-ID: <1066348181.4745.34.camel@Anncons4>

On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 18:07, Mike Chambers wrote:
> I just set up mailman-2.1-8. Everything is working fine except it adds
> "[spam]" to every single message to the list.
> 
> I have looked through the admin, and the docs and cannot figure out how to
> prevent this. Any suggestions?
> 
> mike c
> 
Either change the name of your list (from "Spam") or add the listname to
your "whitelist_from" in SpamAssassin.

Jon [not-so-much-Spam] Carnes




From merle.reine at lindows.com  Fri Oct 17 02:00:57 2003
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:00:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [spam] being added to subject
In-Reply-To: <1066348181.4745.34.camel@Anncons4>
References: <010601c39431$e491bad0$3e02c80a@ibmyc2megxvj11>
	<1066348181.4745.34.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <3F8F3139.3000209@lindows.com>

Actually, if you list is spam at somedomain.com Mailman by default puts in 
a field labeled [spam] in every email.  I just experienced this and it 
is for easy detection of mailing lists.  To remove this (I had to do it 
on 283 mailing lists!), go to the following:

Go to your mailman list login like:

https://yourdomain_name_here.com/mailman/admin/spam/general

login and delete [spam] from the following line:

Prefix for subject line of list postings. : [spam]

Save and voila, you are done.

Jon Carnes wrote:

>On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 18:07, Mike Chambers wrote:
>  
>
>>I just set up mailman-2.1-8. Everything is working fine except it adds
>>"[spam]" to every single message to the list.
>>
>>I have looked through the admin, and the docs and cannot figure out how to
>>prevent this. Any suggestions?
>>
>>mike c
>>
>>    
>>
>Either change the name of your list (from "Spam") or add the listname to
>your "whitelist_from" in SpamAssassin.
>
>Jon [not-so-much-Spam] Carnes
>
>
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>
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From merle.reine at lindows.com  Fri Oct 17 02:12:23 2003
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:12:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to retrieve user passwords
In-Reply-To: <1066347797.4745.31.camel@Anncons4>
References: <783E96D4142B9548B92E59451AD42B37E1F30D@lcc2.cacities.org>
	<1066347797.4745.31.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <3F8F33E7.7020104@lindows.com>

Thanks, nice trick.

Grab everyones while you are at it:

./dumpdb /var/lib/mailman/lists/lstaff/config.pck |grep ^.* | grep @

Jon Carnes wrote:

>On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 18:03, Roger Espiritu wrote:
>  
>
>>Does anyone know how I can locate a user's password that had been sent
>>out on thier first subscription?
>> 
>>-Roger
>>    
>>
>
>My Mailman home directory is /var/mailman.  To find the password for
>JonC for list test2, I run:
>  ./dumpdb /var/mailman/lists/test2/config.pck |grep jonc
>
>Jon Carnes
>
>
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Oct 17 00:41:14 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:41:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Or just hack it (WAS: Re: Zest as an
 Archiver)
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031016122121.03b47fd8@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <E1AAAaU-0006Q0-N5@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031016122121.03b47fd8@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <p06002001bbb4ceb80ade@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:26 PM -0500 2003/10/16, Paul H Byerly wrote:

>       You can have a public list that is hidden.  Just set it to no
>  for "Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this
>  machine?" in "Privacy options"

	I'm not talking about the list.  It's already hidden.  I'm 
talking about the archives for the list.  I'd like them to be hidden 
but not restricted by password.

>>In "hidden" cases like this, it would also be nice if we could
>>make the URL have a pseudo-random component that would make it more
>>difficult to guess.  Right now, if you know the listname (or
>>something close to it) and you know the server, that's all you need.
>
>       I would think you could do that with redirects.

	It would be nice for that to happen automatically.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From Uwe.Krause at fep.fhg.de  Fri Oct 17 08:53:40 2003
From: Uwe.Krause at fep.fhg.de (Krause, Uwe)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:53:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TXT attachments
Message-ID: <8DDE8CA53DC5F24DA4B7D074DDE8109F21C9B0@midgard.fep.fhg.de>


> This is a pain that only happens on HTML emails

Not it isn?t ... 
We have the same problem with Email in plain text ... several Mime attachments ...

Uwe



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Oct 17 10:40:40 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:40:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TXT attachments
In-Reply-To: <8DDE8CA53DC5F24DA4B7D074DDE8109F21C9B0@midgard.fep.fhg.de>
Message-ID: <969BF348-007D-11D8-BEB8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Friday, October 17, 2003, at 07:53  am, Krause, Uwe wrote:

>
>> This is a pain that only happens on HTML emails
>
> Not it isn?t ...
> We have the same problem with Email in plain text ... several Mime 
> attachments ...
>

Have you added a bug report to sourceforge or have an example of what 
you mean?

> Uwe
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From liberty6 at twcny.rr.com  Fri Oct 17 11:06:22 2003
From: liberty6 at twcny.rr.com (Eric)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 05:06:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe
Message-ID: <200310170506.22427.liberty6@twcny.rr.com>

unsubscribe




From moxnes at kunst.no  Fri Oct 17 11:24:45 2003
From: moxnes at kunst.no (_andreas)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:24:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] space in email address
Message-ID: <001e01c39490$80e700d0$0100000a@laptop>

hi,
I have a problem unsubscribing users:
Some users are subscribed with an email address ala "user at domain.com "
(with a space after .com).

./remove_members list "user at domain.com " just responds with "No such
member".
What do to?

_andreas.





From gedp at sofico.be  Fri Oct 17 11:36:02 2003
From: gedp at sofico.be (Geert De Pecker)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:36:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving
Message-ID: <1066383361.2517.38.camel@pcgedp.sofico.be>

Hi,

I'm new to this list (and mailman). Just installed the mailman 2.1.3
with the htdig extensions. Seems to work ok, but I can't find how I can
set the archiving frequency. Should I put bin/arch in the crontab, or is
there a setting somewhere that I forgot? I had the impression that with
the former version I had on the machine, messages showed up in the
archive immediately.

Any hints?

Thanks,

Geert




From ben at videonetwork.org  Fri Oct 17 13:33:43 2003
From: ben at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards)
Date: 17 Oct 2003 12:33:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman public archive not working
Message-ID: <1066390423.801.13.camel@red>

Been looking at the virtual hosts stuff for mailman.  There are a couple
of things I don't get.  It seems oak.serverone (the main domain) is set up for pipermail but not
lists.serverone (the mailman one).  Should I try changing this?

Also there douse not seem to be a followsymlinks for
/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/

I'm new to apache config so any info would be usefull.

Ben

from httpd.conf:-

..

  <Directory /home/mailman/archives>
      Options +FollowSymlinks
  </Directory>
#  <Directory /home/mailman/cgi-bin">
#    AllowOverride None
#    Options +ExecCGI
#    Order allow,deny
#    Allow from all
#  </Directory>

...                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
<VirtualHost oak.serverone.co.uk:80>
Include /etc/appliance/apacheconf
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
</VirtualHost>

# Include all the virtual host config files
Include /etc/httpd/conf/virtual
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
<VirtualHost 217.160.210.88>
DocumentRoot /home/serverone.co.uk/www
ServerName www.serverone.co.uk
ServerAlias serverone.co.uk
</VirtualHost>
                                                                                                                                                            
<VirtualHost 217.160.210.88>
DocumentRoot "/home/serverone.co.uk/lists"
ServerName lists.serverone.co.uk
ScriptAlias /mailman /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/
</VirtualHost>

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From Uwe.Krause at fep.fhg.de  Fri Oct 17 14:06:13 2003
From: Uwe.Krause at fep.fhg.de (Krause, Uwe)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:06:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TXT attachments
Message-ID: <8DDE8CA53DC5F24DA4B7D074DDE8109F21C9B4@midgard.fep.fhg.de>

Hello,

> >>This is a pain that only happens on HTML emails
> > Not it isn?t ... 
> > We have the same problem with Email in plain text ... 
> several Mime attachments ...
> 
> Agree, but its mostly a user sided problem. We have this on 
> our several  lists with Outlook Build 9.x Users. Just mail them to use:

Not only Outlook ... try to get a EUR through the list ...

> This *mostly* solves the Problem "Footer as Attachment". Furthermore
> install the patches for Errors 664209 and 796950. This eliminates
> several smaller Problems with the encoding/decoding on german lists.

They are not inside the MM 2.1.3 ?

thanks Uwe



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct 17 15:22:51 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Oct 2003 09:22:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] space in email address
In-Reply-To: <001e01c39490$80e700d0$0100000a@laptop>
References: <001e01c39490$80e700d0$0100000a@laptop>
Message-ID: <1066396971.3764.1.camel@Anncons4>

On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 05:24, _andreas wrote:
> hi,
> I have a problem unsubscribing users:
> Some users are subscribed with an email address ala "user at domain.com "
> (with a space after .com).
> 
> ./remove_members list "user at domain.com " just responds with "No such
> member".
> What do to?
> 
> _andreas.
> 
try unsubscribing "user at domain.com\ "

If that doesn't work, just find them in the web-admin and unsubscribe
them from that.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct 17 15:27:45 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Oct 2003 09:27:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving
In-Reply-To: <1066383361.2517.38.camel@pcgedp.sofico.be>
References: <1066383361.2517.38.camel@pcgedp.sofico.be>
Message-ID: <1066397265.3764.7.camel@Anncons4>

On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 05:36, Geert De Pecker wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm new to this list (and mailman). Just installed the mailman 2.1.3
> with the htdig extensions. Seems to work ok, but I can't find how I can
> set the archiving frequency. Should I put bin/arch in the crontab, or is
> there a setting somewhere that I forgot? I had the impression that with
> the former version I had on the machine, messages showed up in the
> archive immediately.
> 
> Any hints?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Geert

In this version of Mailman, Archiving is a function of one of the
qrunner's controlled by Mailmanctl. It will move the messages into the
archives for you (assuming you have Archiving turned on for the list).

Arch should only be used if you want to manually re-archive a list.  I
use it mainly after hand editing the Archive Mbox file for a list.

You'll find a lot of discussion about archiving in the list Archives as
well as in the FAQ.

Good Luck.  I'm sure patience will bring all things to light.

Jon Carnes





From swytch at swytchcraft.com  Fri Oct 17 15:46:24 2003
From: swytch at swytchcraft.com (Swytch)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:46:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correct List?
Message-ID: <003f01c394b5$0fa85f70$3467040a@midwesttele.com>

If anyone can answer my questions I would greatly appreciate it, or at least tell me if I am posting to the wrong list.

I have mailman installed on my CPanel software with my hosting company. So I don't have access to the programming features. Only the interface. But I am having problems configuring it the way I want it.

Here are my issues.

1. Is there a way to set everyones mod bit permanatly. I don't want anyone but me to ever post to the list. Its strictly a one way list. 

2. Is there a way to remove the "to post to this list" from the welcome email.

                                    Ricco

                      "Out of my mind, Back in 5 minutes"

From rlesme at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 17 00:12:32 2003
From: rlesme at hotmail.com (Ricardo Lesme Dalles)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:12:32 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BUG DETECTED
Message-ID: <BAY9-DAV60B9ZF42hBv00003ac4@hotmail.com>

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 205, in process_request
    mlist.Save()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 519, in Save
    self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 231, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir
    makelink(privdir, pubdir)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in makelink
    os.symlink(old, new)
OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Python information:
      Variable Value 
      sys.version 2.3.2 (#1, Oct 14 2003, 17:56:38) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release)]  
      sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python  
      sys.prefix /usr/local  
      sys.exec_prefix /usr/local  
      sys.path /usr/local  
      sys.platform linux2  




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Environment variables:
      Variable Value 
      HTTP_REFERER  http://www.cird.org.py/mailman/create  
      SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) PHP/4.2.1 mod_ssl/2.8.9 OpenSSL/0.9.6d  
      SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/create  
      SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.26 Server at www.cird.org.py Port 80 
      REQUEST_METHOD  POST  
      SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.0  
      QUERY_STRING   
      CONTENT_LENGTH  143  
      HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)  
      HTTP_CONNECTION  keep-alive  
      HTTP_COOKIE  prueba+admin=28020000006922158f3f732800000034356166333436366337613165626339666130623462613766343762343765306230636533626664; usuarioscird+admin=  
      SERVER_NAME  www.cird.org.py  
      REMOTE_ADDR  192.168.0.250  
      HTTP_VIA  1.0 mailserver.cyberia.com.py:3128 (Squid/2.4.STABLE7), 1.0 server.cird.org.py:80 (Squid/2.4.STABLE4)  
      SERVER_PORT  80  
      SERVER_ADDR  192.168.0.250  
      DOCUMENT_ROOT  /usr/local/apache/htdocs  
      HTTP_PRAGMA  no-cache  
      PYTHONPATH  /usr/local/mailman  
      SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create  
      SERVER_ADMIN  webmaster at cird.org.py  
      HTTP_HOST  www.cird.org.py  
      HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL  max-age=259200  
      REQUEST_URI  /mailman/create  
      HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash, */*  
      GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1  
      HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR  10.10.2.3, 66.110.104.156  
      REMOTE_PORT  42527  
      HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  es-py  
      CONTENT_TYPE  application/x-www-form-urlencoded  



From RohnRitzema at comcast.net  Fri Oct 17 02:59:00 2003
From: RohnRitzema at comcast.net (Rohn Ritzema)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:59:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possibilities
Message-ID: <000801c39449$dd1f3800$6401a8c0@rohn>

 
Mailman,
 
      I oversee a small non-profit organization and have a need to email
approx. 400 people on a regular basis.  I would like to include color
text, bookmarks and hyperlinks in my text.  Should I consider Mailman?
Thank you.
 
Rohn Ritzema  
 

From j_schneider at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 17 17:57:05 2003
From: j_schneider at earthlink.net (Jen Schneider)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:57:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists
Message-ID: <01d801c394c7$50121170$b48ed718@e5vu7>

Hi - 

My host provider includes one Mailman list as part of my email package.  However, their site control interface doesn't provide much by way of help for list owners, so I'm wondering if you can assist me.

I'm interested in umbrella lists, which is mentioned briefly in the Mailman documentation, but not elaborated on.  What I want to do is this: 

Right now I'm managing multiple lists on my own (using Outlook).  I keep subscribers to my website in separate lists because my group emails are sometimes relevant only to certain lists - for example, I have a press list and a customer list and, in cases when I want to send out a press piece, I want to avoid sending it to my press list, who may have already seen it.  So I send it to customerlist at mydomain.com.  In other cases, I might send a more general group email to customerlist at mydomain.com, as well as presslist at mydomain.com.  You get the idea.

I'd like to use the Mailman feature on my account to manage my lists in a similar way, but I'm only allotted one free Mailman list with my account.  Is it possible, perhaps using an umbrella list, to accomplish something like this - a parent list with constituent lists that can be included and excluded from mailings on a case-by-case basis - using only one Mailman list?

I appreciate your time in reading this and look forward to your response.

Thanks!

Sincerely,

Jennifer Schneider
j_schneider at earthlink.net


From skip at pobox.com  Fri Oct 17 18:12:13 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:12:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-discard notifications?
Message-ID: <16272.5341.454007.498780@montanaro.dyndns.org>



I get the occasional message from Mailman (2.1) with the subject
"Auto-discard notification" and an attached mail which was discarded.  The
message offers no explanation for why Mailman discarded it.  After looking
through the bounce and filter pages of the admin interface, it doesn't seem
that either applies.  (Both pages suggest that I should get a reason along
with any messages forwarded to me.)

Any pointers would be appreciated.

-- 
Skip Montanaro
Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/
          http://www.mojam.com/
Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/



From skip at pobox.com  Fri Oct 17 18:22:48 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:22:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how is content filtered in the presence of
	multipart/alternative?
Message-ID: <16272.5976.792181.925390@montanaro.dyndns.org>


I read the FAQ and the content filtering page of the admin interface but
didn't see this answered.  Given these settings:

    filter_content:             Yes
    pass_mime_types:            multipart/mixed
                                multipart/alternative
                                text/plain
    convert_html_to_plaintext:  Yes

if a message is sent as multipart/alternative and it contains one text/plain
and one text/html section, is the text/html section deleted or just stripped
of HTML tags and retained as (a roughly duplicate) text/plain section?

Thx,

-- 
Skip Montanaro
Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/
          http://www.mojam.com/
Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/



From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Oct 17 18:48:36 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:48:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Or just hack it (WAS: Re: Zest as an Archiver)
In-Reply-To: <E1AASvD-0005An-KY@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AASvD-0005An-KY@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031017113847.03c09450@mail.thcwd.com>

Brad Knowles wrote:
>  Paul H Byerly wrote:
>
> >       You can have a public list that is hidden.  Just set it to no
> >  for "Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this
> >  machine?" in "Privacy options"
>
>         I'm not talking about the list.  It's already hidden.  I'm
>talking about the archives for the list.  I'd like them to be hidden
>but not restricted by password.

      I'm not sure I understand, if the list is hidden, are not the 
archives?  Are you trying to have them unsearchable by Google and the 
like?  Adding the proper meta will take care of that, and if you set it in 
article.html it will be on each post.
      If you want a private archive but don't want to have to get a 
password to everyone then set up a guest login/password combination and put 
it on the log in page (private.html) so anyone who gets there can 
login.Just subscribe guest at my.domain.com with password guest, and set the 
account to no-mail.  To make it more clean, set the user name and password 
as hidden fields, so only the "Let me in button" shows.  You could even use 
JavaScript to push the button with OnLoad; this would make the log-in 
screen nothing more than a flicker as folks enter.
      The only down side to this is someone could go to options and change 
the setting for the account, which would do no damage other than closing 
the door.  Setting the password as hidden and using JS to execute would 
reduce the chances of this.


<>< Paul 




From moxnes at kunst.no  Fri Oct 17 18:53:01 2003
From: moxnes at kunst.no (_andreas)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:53:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] space in email address
References: <001e01c39490$80e700d0$0100000a@laptop>
	<1066396971.3764.1.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <000901c394cf$20842c60$0100000a@laptop>

nope, 
neither ./remove_members list "user at domain.com\ "
nor unsubscribing from the webadmin works..

_andreas.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: "_andreas" <moxnes at kunst.no>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] space in email address


> On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 05:24, _andreas wrote:
> > hi,
> > I have a problem unsubscribing users:
> > Some users are subscribed with an email address ala "user at domain.com "
> > (with a space after .com).
> > 
> > ./remove_members list "user at domain.com " just responds with "No such
> > member".
> > What do to?
> > 
> > _andreas.
> > 
> try unsubscribing "user at domain.com\ "
> 
> If that doesn't work, just find them in the web-admin and unsubscribe
> them from that.
> 




From che at debian.org  Fri Oct 17 19:01:19 2003
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:01:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TXT attachments
In-Reply-To: <8DDE8CA53DC5F24DA4B7D074DDE8109F21C9B4@midgard.fep.fhg.de>
References: <8DDE8CA53DC5F24DA4B7D074DDE8109F21C9B4@midgard.fep.fhg.de>
Message-ID: <3F90205F.8020907@debian.org>

Krause, Uwe wrote:

>Not only Outlook ... try to get a EUR through the list ...
>  
>
I assume you mean you have your list configured for German (ISO-8859-1) 
but then send an email with a Euro sign character (ISO-8859-11) to the list.

This is one special case where I think Mailman should not assume the 
charsets are incompatible, and allow adding the footer directly to the 
body.  I'll see if I can come up with a patch.

Ben





From jp_mailman at gcfl.net  Fri Oct 17 19:18:06 2003
From: jp_mailman at gcfl.net (jp_mailman at gcfl.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:18:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 68,000+ member list problems
Message-ID: <20031017171806.GB29641@gcfl.net>

I have an announce-only mailing list that has over 68,000
members.

Strangely, mail delivery is working fine, but the web
access is giving me problems.

When I go to the admin part of the web page (i.e. to
change list options and maintain membership list) I type
in my password, and it just sits there and finally times
out.

What's more interesting is that the load on the machine is
basically zero (about 0.5-0.2) and all other functions are
responsive.

This problem also happens when I use the "add_members"
script (and maybe others, but I have not checked them
all).  I run the script, and it just sits there.

When I look at the process, it is not using very much CPU.
It's like it's waiting on a lock or something.

What else can I check?  I've looked at the logs briefly,
but I did not see anything that indicates a problem.

Again, the other web pages are OK (i.e. a member can look
at and change their options, etc. just fine).

Thanx for any help.

-- 
Plan to be spontaneous - tomorrow.

www.GCFL.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean
funnies five times a week, no ads, for f_r_e_e!



From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Fri Oct 17 19:38:37 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:38:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users with name
In-Reply-To: <3F8CBCA2.12351.5A4F8F6@localhost>
References: <3F8CBCA2.12351.5A4F8F6@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F90291D.6090308@mitre.org>

Bruno,

I believe you can find a post in the archives from Barry saying which 
formats are supported.

However, I can tell you from experience that this format works fine:

New User Name <email at address>

Bruno Nepomuceno wrote:

> Dear Sr,
> 
> Is it possible to add a new user with its name? There is a box where I put email 
> addresses. Can I put the name of the user with some extra sintaxe?

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own






From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Fri Oct 17 20:13:53 2003
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:13:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] spamassassin with mm2.1.3
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310171401270.7078-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>

Has anyone gotten this to work?

I followed the instructions at
http://www.daa.com.au/~james/articles/mailman-spamassassin/

but now nothing goes thru and the error log says

Oct 17 14:01:07 2003 (29854) Uncaught runner exception: global name 'False' is not defined
Oct 17 14:01:07 2003 (29854) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Handlers/SpamAssassin.py", line 76, in process
    score, symbols = check_message(mlist, str(msg))
  File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Handlers/SpamAssassin.py", line 58, in check_message
    connection = spamd.SpamdConnection(SPAMD_HOST)
  File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Handlers/spamd.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.request_headers = mimetools.Message(StringIO.StringIO(), seekable=False)
NameError: global name 'False' is not defined

Oct 17 14:01:07 2003 (29854) SHUNTING: 1066413667.322263+e093d2f8ddc007ba43f897f8caa718ced2d9fb58


I also tried modifying Defaults.py and adding into the GLOBAL_PIPELINE sections
a line saying   `SpamAssassin',   just like the other modules but that didn't
work either.

TIA

 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies




From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Fri Oct 17 20:18:39 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:18:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] full name from the command line
In-Reply-To: <28A2E0D6A920954ABBF13AF712CEBDB6027007C6@exchange05.bnl.gov>
References: <28A2E0D6A920954ABBF13AF712CEBDB6027007C6@exchange05.bnl.gov>
Message-ID: <3F90327F.2020005@mitre.org>

Rich,

Not sure what you mean.

1.  "add_member" and the like work better when the user information is 
in a file.  It makes it much easier because of special characters, etc. 
   So if you are asking how to pass the information directly on the 
command line, I recommend against it.

2.  If you mean that you want to create a file with lists of names to 
use for "add_member", etc., then I recommend using the following format:

User First Middle and Last Name <emailaddress at domain.tld>

I do this all the time, and it has the advantage of leaving a record of 
the users you added that way.

HTH.


Casella, Richard A wrote:

> I am running Mailman version 2.1. 
> 
> I've seen this request a couple of times now, but have never seen
> an answer. Is it possible to set the full name of a user on the
> command line when using "add_member", "sync_members", or whatever?

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own






From jp_mailman at gcfl.net  Fri Oct 17 20:32:07 2003
From: jp_mailman at gcfl.net (jp_mailman at gcfl.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:32:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 68,000+ member list problems, part 2
Message-ID: <20031017183207.GA3513@gcfl.net>

I'm running Mailman 2.1.2.

After I sent the message I realized that indeed I might
have a stale lock problem.  So I looked in
/var/lock/mailman and there was about 1000 stale lock files.

Until I can find a better solution, I wrote this small
bash script to manually remove stale lock files, and I
plan to run it from cron every minute.

So far it seems to be helping the problem.  Maybe it will
help others out there...

----- checklocks script ----
#!/bin/sh

HOST=`hostname`

cd /var/lock/mailman

for x in `ls *.lock.$HOST.*`; do
  PROCID=`echo $x | awk -F "." '{print $6}'`
  if [ ! -d /proc/$PROCID ]; then
    echo "deleting $x for $PROCID"
    rm -fv $x
  else
    echo "$x is a good lock for $PROCID"
  fi
done

for x in `ls *.lock`; do
  if [ ! -f `cat $x` ]; then
    echo "$x is NOT valid"
    rm -fv $x
  else
    echo "$x is valid"
  fi
done
-----------------------------

-- 
My grandmother started walking five miles a day when she   
was 60. She's 97 now & we don't know where she is!

www.GCFL.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean
funnies five times a week, no ads, for f_r_e_e!



From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Fri Oct 17 20:54:36 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:54:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correct List?
In-Reply-To: <003f01c394b5$0fa85f70$3467040a@midwesttele.com>
References: <003f01c394b5$0fa85f70$3467040a@midwesttele.com>
Message-ID: <3F903AEC.6050903@mitre.org>

Ricco,

I have no experience with CPanel, so I can't answer whether this is 
something you can do yourself, or have to get a sysadmin to do for you.

Swytch wrote:

> 1. Is there a way to set everyones mod bit permanatly. I don't want anyone but me 
 > to ever post to the list. Its strictly a one way list.

I don't think so.  It is not built in, so would require some tricky patches.

> 2. Is there a way to remove the "to post to this list" from the welcome email.

You can customize a lot of these messages, but it may not be possible 
via CPanel.

The file <mailman-dir>/templates/en/subscribeack.txt has the text you 
want to change.

To change it just for your list, it has to be copied to 
<mailman-dir>/lists/<listname>/en  and then edited the way you want it 
to read.

HTH.

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own






From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Fri Oct 17 21:00:53 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:00:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correct List?
In-Reply-To: <3F903AEC.6050903@mitre.org>
References: <003f01c394b5$0fa85f70$3467040a@midwesttele.com>
	<3F903AEC.6050903@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <3F903C65.2050807@mitre.org>

OK, so I am responding to my own message.  I just thought of something.

For 1, you could set the "emergency moderation" list setting on the 
General page.  This would make sure no one could post ever, no matter 
what their settings.  It would make you moderate your own messages, though.

John DeCarlo wrote:

> Ricco,
> 
> I have no experience with CPanel, so I can't answer whether this is 
> something you can do yourself, or have to get a sysadmin to do for you.
> 
> Swytch wrote:
> 
>> 1. Is there a way to set everyones mod bit permanatly. I don't want 
>> anyone but me 
> 
>  > to ever post to the list. Its strictly a one way list.
> 
> I don't think so.  It is not built in, so would require some tricky 
> patches.
> 
>> 2. Is there a way to remove the "to post to this list" from the 
>> welcome email.
> 
> 
> You can customize a lot of these messages, but it may not be possible 
> via CPanel.
> 
> The file <mailman-dir>/templates/en/subscribeack.txt has the text you 
> want to change.
> 
> To change it just for your list, it has to be copied to 
> <mailman-dir>/lists/<listname>/en  and then edited the way you want it 
> to read.
> 
> HTH.
> 







From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct 17 21:02:17 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Oct 2003 15:02:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] space in email address
In-Reply-To: <000901c394cf$20842c60$0100000a@laptop>
References: <001e01c39490$80e700d0$0100000a@laptop>
	<1066396971.3764.1.camel@Anncons4>
	<000901c394cf$20842c60$0100000a@laptop>
Message-ID: <1066417337.3764.28.camel@Anncons4>

Well then try my ultimate "cure all"... backup the lists config.pck file
and use a hex editor to edit the file.  Find any occurance of "com " and
change that space into an m. Now delete "user at domain.comm"

I've had to do that a few times for folks.  I'm sure you can get it with
the right general expression, if you're patient enough, but most of my
clients want it fixed NOW!.  The hex editor works.

Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 12:53, _andreas wrote:
> nope, 
> neither ./remove_members list "user at domain.com\ "
> nor unsubscribing from the webadmin works..
> 
> _andreas.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> To: "_andreas" <moxnes at kunst.no>
> Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] space in email address
> 
> 
> > On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 05:24, _andreas wrote:
> > > hi,
> > > I have a problem unsubscribing users:
> > > Some users are subscribed with an email address ala "user at domain.com "
> > > (with a space after .com).
> > > 
> > > ./remove_members list "user at domain.com " just responds with "No such
> > > member".
> > > What do to?
> > > 
> > > _andreas.
> > > 
> > try unsubscribing "user at domain.com\ "
> > 
> > If that doesn't work, just find them in the web-admin and unsubscribe
> > them from that.
> > 
> 
> 
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> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct 17 21:16:17 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Oct 2003 15:16:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] spamassassin with mm2.1.3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310171401270.7078-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310171401270.7078-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>
Message-ID: <1066418177.3764.41.camel@Anncons4>

Helpful Button - Off.

I'm not looking to start a Holy War here but I think it is bit
ridiculous to run SpamAssassin as a plug-in to Mailman.  SpamAssassin
works 100% of the time when used as a plug-in with your MTA (or via
MailScanner), and there are no (as in none: circle-with-a-slash)
integration issues.  Unless you upgrade your MTA as often as you do
Mailman, look at using SA with your MTA instead of calling it via
Mailman.

Helpful Button - On

Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 14:13, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote:
> Has anyone gotten this to work?
> 
> I followed the instructions at
> http://www.daa.com.au/~james/articles/mailman-spamassassin/
> 
> but now nothing goes thru and the error log says
> 
> Oct 17 14:01:07 2003 (29854) Uncaught runner exception: global name 'False' is not defined
> Oct 17 14:01:07 2003 (29854) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Handlers/SpamAssassin.py", line 76, in process
>     score, symbols = check_message(mlist, str(msg))
>   File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Handlers/SpamAssassin.py", line 58, in check_message
>     connection = spamd.SpamdConnection(SPAMD_HOST)
>   File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Handlers/spamd.py", line 79, in __init__
>     self.request_headers = mimetools.Message(StringIO.StringIO(), seekable=False)
> NameError: global name 'False' is not defined
> 
> Oct 17 14:01:07 2003 (29854) SHUNTING: 1066413667.322263+e093d2f8ddc007ba43f897f8caa718ced2d9fb58
> 
> 
> I also tried modifying Defaults.py and adding into the GLOBAL_PIPELINE sections
> a line saying   `SpamAssassin',   just like the other modules but that didn't
> work either.
> 
> TIA
> 
>  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>  David Stern                                            University of Maryland
>                 Institute for Advanced Computer Studies
> 
> 
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> 
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Oct 17 21:25:28 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:25:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] spamassassin with mm2.1.3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310171401270.7078-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>
Message-ID: <AA2E20F5-00D7-11D8-BEB8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Friday, October 17, 2003, at 07:13  pm, Dave Stern - Former Rocket 
Scientist wrote:

> Has anyone gotten this to work?
>
> I followed the instructions at
> http://www.daa.com.au/~james/articles/mailman-spamassassin/
>
> but now nothing goes thru and the error log says
>
> Oct 17 14:01:07 2003 (29854) Uncaught runner exception: global name 
> 'False' is not defined
> Oct 17 14:01:07 2003 (29854) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in 
> _dispose
>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in 
> _dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Handlers/SpamAssassin.py", line 76, in 
> process
>     score, symbols = check_message(mlist, str(msg))
>   File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Handlers/SpamAssassin.py", line 58, in 
> check_message
>     connection = spamd.SpamdConnection(SPAMD_HOST)
>   File "/fs/mailman2/Mailman/Handlers/spamd.py", line 79, in __init__
>     self.request_headers = mimetools.Message(StringIO.StringIO(), 
> seekable=False)
> NameError: global name 'False' is not defined
>

I don't know about SpamAssassin integration but, in MM 2.1.3 at least, 
Defaults.py contains the following code fragment, the partial purpose 
of which is to define True and False if they are not defined as 
language constants, as Python 2.3 does, by the version of Python you 
are running:

# Some convenient constants
try:
     True, False
except NameError:
     True = 1
     False = 0

Yes = yes = On = on = True
No = no = Off = off = False

Maybe worth copying that code into spamd.py

> Oct 17 14:01:07 2003 (29854) SHUNTING: 
> 1066413667.322263+e093d2f8ddc007ba43f897f8caa718ced2d9fb58
>
>
> I also tried modifying Defaults.py and adding into the GLOBAL_PIPELINE 
> sections
> a line saying   `SpamAssassin',   just like the other modules but that 
> didn't
> work either.
>
> TIA
>
>  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave 
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>  David Stern                                            University of 
> Maryland
>                 Institute for Advanced Computer Studies
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From rac at bnl.gov  Fri Oct 17 23:04:04 2003
From: rac at bnl.gov (Casella, Richard A)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:04:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] full name from the command line
Message-ID: <28A2E0D6A920954ABBF13AF712CEBDB6027007E3@exchange05.bnl.gov>



> -----Original Message-----
> 
> 
> 2.  If you mean that you want to create a file with lists of names to 
> use for "add_member", etc., then I recommend using the 
> following format:
> 
> User First Middle and Last Name <emailaddress at domain.tld>

This is exactly what I mean, I am using a file. I couldn't find
any documentation supporting full name so I was using email address
only.

I just tried it, it works fine.

I wrote a mail filter so I could support subscription management by
email of info-only lists. This will enable us to get completely off
listproc for those users who would not give up this functionality.

Thanks a bunch, 
Rich




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Oct 17 23:31:54 2003
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 06:31:54 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] space in email address
In-Reply-To: <001e01c39490$80e700d0$0100000a@laptop>
References: <001e01c39490$80e700d0$0100000a@laptop>
Message-ID: <3F905FCA.7060104@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.013.htp

_andreas wrote:

> hi,
> I have a problem unsubscribing users:
> Some users are subscribed with an email address ala "user at domain.com "
> (with a space after .com).
> 

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From smtibocha at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 18 03:52:27 2003
From: smtibocha at yahoo.com (Sandra Milena Tibocha Roa)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:52:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ulr problem
Message-ID: <20031018015228.48295.qmail@web42006.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi!!

I have the following problem:

i have ten lists created, eight works fine. The others
two lists isn`t working propierly because the
administrative's page url is change adding a slash
more. Example:

http://www.midomain//mailman/admin/list-name


Does anybody know how to fix this problem to avoid the
double slash??

Any idea?

Thanks, regards.

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
http://shopping.yahoo.com



From rkpn at british-genealogy.com  Sat Oct 18 05:22:24 2003
From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 04:22:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TXT attachments
In-Reply-To: <20031016181840.BRBA1828.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>
References: <20031016181840.BRBA1828.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <kdL2sBawHLk$EABm@neep.demon.co.uk>

In message 
<20031016181840.BRBA1828.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net at mail.bellsouth.net>,
  mcp28352 at bellsouth.net writes
>When I receive a post from 2.1.2, the message has the server-add footer 
>as a TXT attachment. It is very annoying. Is there a way to cause the 
>server not to add the footer as an attachment? It's on a shared server 
>to which I do not have root access.


It isn't Mailman... it is the way that *your* email software 
*interprets* the footers.
X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.11 is what you are using.

Others using different software to read mail will not have the problem.

Regards
Rod
-- 
Rod Neep
Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org
British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com



From jp at warpix.org  Sat Oct 18 15:18:41 2003
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:18:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache config for Mailman
Message-ID: <20031018141841.S60964@warpix.org>


What do I need to add to httpd.conf to be able to use a web interface to 
Mailman?


I have a ScriptAlias, do I need anything else?



-- 
John





From paul at fpen.org  Sat Oct 18 16:38:49 2003
From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:38:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd results running nightly_htdig
Message-ID: <C95F6FD6-0178-11D8-81D3-000A957B22DE@fpen.org>

This has been going on for a while but I have finally decided to 
address it.  Old list, originally on Listproc, converted last February. 
  Some older messages have large attachments.  I have just updated to 
mm2.1.3 and cleaned up the archives after editing the mbox file and 
then using arch --wipe ... and blow_away_htdig.  When I use 
nightly_rundig, I get the following:

> [root at gns mailman]# cron/nightly_htdig
> pg->type:  0
> ************************************
> ************************************
> ************************************
> page size:8192
>  00-07: Log sequence number.  file  : 0
>  00-07: Log sequence number.  offset: 0
>  08-11: Current page number.  : 53
>  12-15: Previous page number. : 0
>  16-19: Next page number.     : 0
>  20-21: Number of item pairs on the page. : 0
>  22-23: High free byte page offset.       : 8192
>     24: Btree tree level.                 : 0
>     25: Page type.                        : 0
> entry offsets:
>     0:  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 35  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
>    20:  0  0  0 20  0  0 fc 1f fc 1f ec 1f e8 1f d8 1f d4 1f c4 1f
>    40: c0 1f b0 1f ac 1f 9c 1f 98 1f 88 1f 84 1f 74 1f 70 1f 60 1f
>
> <snip>
>
>  8140: 61 74 65 87  0  0  0  2  1  0  1  0  1  0  1  0  b  0  1 64
>  8160: 61 74 65 87  0  0  0  2  1  0  1  0  1  0 81  0  b  0  1 64
>  8180: 61 74 65 87  0  0  0  2  1  0 81  0
> [root at gns mailman]#

The indexing has appeared to work.  log/error does not have an entry 
for this.  Any ideas?  Should I do anything or should I ignore it?  RH 
8.0, htdig 3.2 (RedHat's htdig - have been reluctant to remove it for 
fear of breaking something else).

Paul
--
Paul Kleeberg
paul at fpen.org




From chris at fisher.forestry.uga.edu  Sat Oct 18 20:58:56 2003
From: chris at fisher.forestry.uga.edu (Christopher Fonnesbeck)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:58:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives do not appear
Message-ID: <20031018185856.GA27072@fisher.forestry.uga.edu>

When I try and access the list archives on my Debian server set up with
mailman, I get the following page:

Forbidden
 You don't have permission to access /pipermail/<listname>/ on this
 server.

This seems like something that should ahve been set up automatically,
particularly on Debian. Can anyone tell me how to correct this problem?

Thanks in advance,
cjf



From jp at warpix.org  Sat Oct 18 16:58:08 2003
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:58:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin password
Message-ID: <20031018155808.T60964@warpix.org>


I installed Mailman several months ago and haven't used it much since 
then and have forgotten the admin password. Where should I expect to find 
it? Or can I reset it from the command line?


-- 
John





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Oct 18 17:24:19 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 18 Oct 2003 11:24:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin password
In-Reply-To: <20031018155808.T60964@warpix.org>
References: <20031018155808.T60964@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <1066490659.2616.4.camel@Anncons4>

On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 10:58, John Poltorak wrote:
> I installed Mailman several months ago and haven't used it much since 
> then and have forgotten the admin password. Where should I expect to find 
> it? Or can I reset it from the command line?
> 
Reset it from the command line.

~mailman/bin/mmsitepass




From jp at warpix.org  Sat Oct 18 18:06:03 2003
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:06:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authorization for new lists
Message-ID: <20031018170602.U60964@warpix.org>


I have managed to reset the admin password to access the admin functions, 
but when creating a new list, I'm told I'm 'not authorized' to do so.


What have I overlooked?


-- 
John
 





From liberty6 at twcny.rr.com  Sat Oct 18 18:12:32 2003
From: liberty6 at twcny.rr.com (Eric)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:12:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List archives available for anyone
Message-ID: <200310181212.32630.liberty6@twcny.rr.com>

Hi, I've got my preferences set for
view archives by "list members only."
But, with no cookies in my browser,
I'm able to just go right to /pipermail/listname
and it's freely visible. What is wrong with
my configuration?
Thanks!




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Oct 18 18:49:34 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:49:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List archives available for anyone
In-Reply-To: <200310181212.32630.liberty6@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <0DA4B583-018B-11D8-BEB8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

You do not say which version of MM you are running; assuming 2.0.13 or 
2.1.x ...

On Saturday, October 18, 2003, at 05:12  pm, Eric wrote:

> Hi, I've got my preferences set for
> view archives by "list members only."

By this, do you mean you have set the list archive to 'private' using 
the web admin GUI for the list?

if so there should NOT be symlinks in directory $prefix/archive/public/ 
called <listname> and <listname.mbox> pointing to real directories in 
directory $prefix/archive/private/

If there are, and you are sure you have set the archive to 'private' 
through the admin GUI, then delete those symlinks. You should be able 
to set the list archive to 'public' and see the symlinks created and 
then deleted when you set the archive back to 'private'.

If that is not happening then something is going wrong. Check you error 
logs and repost to this list if you cannot spot any reason for the 
problem.

> But, with no cookies in my browser,
> I'm able to just go right to /pipermail/listname
> and it's freely visible. What is wrong with
> my configuration?

What Alias and ScriptAlias did you set up in your Apache httpd.conf to 
support Mailman?

The /pipermail/ Alias should be pointing to the $prefix/archive/public/ 
directory.

Your httpd.conf should not provide access to $prefix/archive/private/ 
directory.

If the above is all correct it is difficult how Apache is serving the 
pages via the /pipermail/ URI path.

Is it possible that what you are seeing is just some artifact of the 
accesses being via some caching proxy server or indeeed via your 
browser's cache; could the pages be out of the browser cache or the 
proxy cache rather than being from the MM Apache server?
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Oct 18 19:04:30 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:04:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd results running nightly_htdig
In-Reply-To: <C95F6FD6-0178-11D8-81D3-000A957B22DE@fpen.org>
Message-ID: <23C72C04-018D-11D8-BEB8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Saturday, October 18, 2003, at 03:38  pm, Paul Kleeberg wrote:

> This has been going on for a while but I have finally decided to 
> address it.  Old list, originally on Listproc, converted last 
> February.  Some older messages have large attachments.  I have just 
> updated to mm2.1.3 and cleaned up the archives after editing the mbox 
> file and then using arch --wipe ... and blow_away_htdig.  When I use 
> nightly_rundig, I get the following:
>
>> [root at gns mailman]# cron/nightly_htdig
>> pg->type:  0
>> ************************************
>> ************************************
>> ************************************
>> page size:8192
>>  00-07: Log sequence number.  file  : 0
>>  00-07: Log sequence number.  offset: 0
>>  08-11: Current page number.  : 53
>>  12-15: Previous page number. : 0
>>  16-19: Next page number.     : 0
>>  20-21: Number of item pairs on the page. : 0
>>  22-23: High free byte page offset.       : 8192
>>     24: Btree tree level.                 : 0
>>     25: Page type.                        : 0
>> entry offsets:
>>     0:  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 35  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
>>    20:  0  0  0 20  0  0 fc 1f fc 1f ec 1f e8 1f d8 1f d4 1f c4 1f
>>    40: c0 1f b0 1f ac 1f 9c 1f 98 1f 88 1f 84 1f 74 1f 70 1f 60 1f
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>  8140: 61 74 65 87  0  0  0  2  1  0  1  0  1  0  1  0  b  0  1 64
>>  8160: 61 74 65 87  0  0  0  2  1  0  1  0  1  0 81  0  b  0  1 64
>>  8180: 61 74 65 87  0  0  0  2  1  0 81  0
>> [root at gns mailman]#
>
> The indexing has appeared to work.  log/error does not have an entry 
> for this.  Any ideas?  Should I do anything or should I ignore it?  RH 
> 8.0, htdig 3.2 (RedHat's htdig - have been reluctant to remove it for 
> fear of breaking something else).
>

I have no clue what is generating this output but I would guess it 
stems from one of HTdig's programs being invoked by the HTdig rundig 
script which has been executed by nightly_htdig.

nightly_htdig executes rundig on behalf of each list with new postings 
to the archive (since the last time rundig was run on behalf of that 
list) using the command:

<path-to-rundig> -c $prefix/archives/htdig/<listname>.conf

Try running that command by hand and see if the output you are 
concerned about is generated. If so then it is an HTdig issue and 
posting to whatever the htdig support list is may be the best bet.

Let us know how you get on.

> Paul
> --
> Paul Kleeberg
> paul at fpen.org
>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Oct 18 22:19:56 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 21:19:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives do not appear
In-Reply-To: <20031018185856.GA27072@fisher.forestry.uga.edu>
Message-ID: <70BDF7AC-01A8-11D8-BEB8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Saturday, October 18, 2003, at 07:58  pm, Christopher Fonnesbeck 
wrote:

> When I try and access the list archives on my Debian server set up with
> mailman, I get the following page:
>
> Forbidden
>  You don't have permission to access /pipermail/<listname>/ on this
>  server.
>
> This seems like something that should ahve been set up automatically,
> particularly on Debian. Can anyone tell me how to correct this problem?
>

Do not know about Debian install but ...

You could check that your httpd.conf contains something like the 
directives given in the following archived post:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg17986.html

Also run $prefix/bin/check_perms. Run that with --help option to get 
info about the script.

> Thanks in advance,
> cjf
>
>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From mailman at lets-ride.com  Sat Oct 18 23:50:59 2003
From: mailman at lets-ride.com (Dale schibbelhut)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:50:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hosting companies
Message-ID: <NDBBJBIBALPCKCFHILOIGEIMEGAA.mailman@lets-ride.com>

My current hosting company does not want Mailman on their servers. Other
than that I am quite satisfied with their service. I am looking for a
company that will host lists using mailman software. Does anybody have any
recommendations.
Thanks
Dale


From liberty6 at twcny.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 00:19:43 2003
From: liberty6 at twcny.rr.com (Eric)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:19:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List archives available for anyone
In-Reply-To: <0DA4B583-018B-11D8-BEB8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <0DA4B583-018B-11D8-BEB8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200310181819.43815.liberty6@twcny.rr.com>

Richard,

   I checked through your email, and everything
else was as you say it should be. But I mistakenly
was thinking that I make the list private on the web
by going to the "Privacy options" webpage instead of the 
"Archiving Options" page. The symlinks were indeed
removed once I set it to private.
Thanks!
Eric

On Saturday 18 October 2003 12:49 pm, you wrote:
> You do not say which version of MM you are running; assuming 2.0.13 or
> 2.1.x ...
>
> On Saturday, October 18, 2003, at 05:12  pm, Eric wrote:
> > Hi, I've got my preferences set for
> > view archives by "list members only."
>
> By this, do you mean you have set the list archive to 'private' using
> the web admin GUI for the list?
>
> if so there should NOT be symlinks in directory $prefix/archive/public/
> called <listname> and <listname.mbox> pointing to real directories in
> directory $prefix/archive/private/
>
> If there are, and you are sure you have set the archive to 'private'
> through the admin GUI, then delete those symlinks. You should be able
> to set the list archive to 'public' and see the symlinks created and
> then deleted when you set the archive back to 'private'.
>
> If that is not happening then something is going wrong. Check you error
> logs and repost to this list if you cannot spot any reason for the
> problem.
>
> > But, with no cookies in my browser,
> > I'm able to just go right to /pipermail/listname
> > and it's freely visible. What is wrong with
> > my configuration?
>
> What Alias and ScriptAlias did you set up in your Apache httpd.conf to
> support Mailman?
>
> The /pipermail/ Alias should be pointing to the $prefix/archive/public/
> directory.
>
> Your httpd.conf should not provide access to $prefix/archive/private/
> directory.
>
> If the above is all correct it is difficult how Apache is serving the
> pages via the /pipermail/ URI path.
>
> Is it possible that what you are seeing is just some artifact of the
> accesses being via some caching proxy server or indeeed via your
> browser's cache; could the pages be out of the browser cache or the
> proxy cache rather than being from the MM Apache server?
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From jam at jamux.com  Sun Oct 19 00:32:46 2003
From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:32:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hosting companies
In-Reply-To: <NDBBJBIBALPCKCFHILOIGEIMEGAA.mailman@lets-ride.com> (Dale
	schibbelhut's message of "Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:50:59 -0600")
References: <NDBBJBIBALPCKCFHILOIGEIMEGAA.mailman@lets-ride.com>
Message-ID: <87vfqmtbw1.fsf@athene.jamux.com>

>>>>> "Dale" == Dale schibbelhut
>>>>> "[Mailman-Users] Hosting companies"
>>>>>  Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:50:59 -0600

    Dale> I am looking for a company that will host lists using
    Dale> mailman software. Does anybody have any recommendations.

Have you looked at <http://list.org/inthenews.html> lately?

        jam
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From tim at IntegraStrategic.com  Sun Oct 19 00:42:44 2003
From: tim at IntegraStrategic.com (Timothy Brooks)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:42:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hosting companies
In-Reply-To: <NDBBJBIBALPCKCFHILOIGEIMEGAA.mailman@lets-ride.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031018184212.01558e08@www.IntegraStrategic.com>


I've found Ventures Online very reliable, and they have Mailman on their 
servers.

At 03:50 PM 10/18/2003 -0600, Dale schibbelhut wrote:
>My current hosting company does not want Mailman on their servers. Other
>than that I am quite satisfied with their service. I am looking for a
>company that will host lists using mailman software. Does anybody have any
>recommendations.
>Thanks
>Dale
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From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sun Oct 19 01:40:42 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:40:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Hosting companies
In-Reply-To: <NDBBJBIBALPCKCFHILOIGEIMEGAA.mailman@lets-ride.com>
References: <NDBBJBIBALPCKCFHILOIGEIMEGAA.mailman@lets-ride.com>
Message-ID: <20031018234042.GP5091@hq.newdream.net>

On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 03:50:59PM -0600, Dale schibbelhut wrote:

> My current hosting company does not want Mailman on their servers.
> Other than that I am quite satisfied with their service. I am looking
> for a company that will host lists using mailman software. Does
> anybody have any recommendations.

In addition to the other hosts mentioned, I'll throw in a plug for
$EMPLOYER - http://dreamhost.com/. You get unlimited Mailman discussion
lists with any plan.

We're now (finally) running a newer version (2.1.3), and we also offer
the ability to use demime on your list if you'd like.

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 01:53:06 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 18 Oct 2003 19:53:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hosting companies
In-Reply-To: <NDBBJBIBALPCKCFHILOIGEIMEGAA.mailman@lets-ride.com>
References: <NDBBJBIBALPCKCFHILOIGEIMEGAA.mailman@lets-ride.com>
Message-ID: <1066521186.14057.4.camel@Anncons4>

On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 17:50, Dale schibbelhut wrote:
> My current hosting company does not want Mailman on their servers. Other
> than that I am quite satisfied with their service. I am looking for a
> company that will host lists using mailman software. Does anybody have any
> recommendations.
> Thanks
> Dale

A friend of mine runs a hosting company (Tigertech.netmar.com) that does
Mailman for their customers.  The standard setup is for you to assign a
domain name to  their IP Address and then they setup that domain name on
their server as a virtual host.

That way it looks like the mailserver is simply a server in your local
domain.

They have a monthly limit of ~250,000 email message/month so that no one
can use the service for spam.

Contact is: Lisa Boyd (lcboyd at nc.rr.com)

Hope that is helpful!

Jon Carnes
919.779.4865




From konstant at rbcmail.ru  Sun Oct 19 17:35:18 2003
From: konstant at rbcmail.ru (Konstantin Ovchinnikov)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:35:18 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing through the relay
Message-ID: <200310191925.53957.konstant@rbcmail.ru>

Hello, all.

I've installed Mailman 2.1.3 on RedHat 9 from the source, web-interface is 
working normally, but mail is not delivered.

The peculiarity of situation is that the host foo.bar.com, which runs Mailman, 
as all the other hosts in bar.com deliver mail through the smart relay. For 
security reasons we can't allow any host in our domain to deliver mail 
directly.

Sendmail on foo.bar.com was up and running. When we say from this host, for 
example:
[root at foo.bar.com] # sendmail example at exaple.com
....

Hello everybody
^D

The mail is sent normally. We check example at example.com and get our mail.

We added the following into Mailman/mm_cfg.py:
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/sbin/sendmail'

For example, we try to subscribe through the web-interface. Mailman wants to 
send us confirmation letter, but it does it DIRECTLY (not through relay), and 
I don't know, what it does with Sendmail. So, Sendmail can't deliver mail, 
Sendmail just queues it.

If Mailman did what is written in Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py:
cmd = mm_cfg.SENDMAIL_CMD + ' -f ' + mlist.GetBouncesEmail() + ' '

everything would work normally, but it DOES NOT!

The second question is what we have to do when we change Mailman/mm_cfg.py: 
nothing or we have to rerun config_list?

-- 
Kostya.



From paul at fpen.org  Sun Oct 19 18:59:26 2003
From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:59:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailman domains on one box
Message-ID: <98B50232-0255-11D8-A538-000A957B22DE@fpen.org>

I am sure this has been discussed but I was hoping to save time 
searching the archives.

Can anyone point me to instructions on how I can have two separate sets 
of mailman lists with different domains on one box?  I currently run 
different websites on the same box using VirtualHosts.

Thanks!
--
Paul Kleeberg
paul at fpen.org




From linux-user at gmx.com  Sun Oct 19 19:05:18 2003
From: linux-user at gmx.com (Torsten E.)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:05:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with postfix, cyrus-imap & mailman
Message-ID: <008901c39663$2d22a600$640aa8c0@frodo>

Hello list,

I'm quite new to this list, and english is not my native language ...

There's a problem with my postfix configuration.
Some days ago my uw-imap stopped working without any error message, and as
it run for a long time, I never looked in detail to the postfix & uw config.
So I decided to kick uw, and installed cyrus-imap instead.

Since I did so, none of my mailman lists work anymore - emails are rejected
by postfix as "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender":
    Reporting-MTA: dns; warblade.dyndns.org
    Arrival-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:18:26 +0200 (CEST)

    Final-Recipient: rfc822; penelopes-kingdom at warblade.dyndns.org
    Action: failed
    Status: 5.0.0
    Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; data format error. Command output:
        penelopes-kingdom: Mailbox does not exist

So I did a review of my actions, and when changing mailbox_transport = cyrus
back to default, mailman got the message, and was able to forward it to
list-members.
First I thought looking at mailman's webiste could give a hint, but it does
not, the same with cyrus website (or I didn't find it ...).
But when I checked the samples provided by postfix, I thought they might
solve my problem .... so I changed so settings in /etc/postfix/main.cf
(local_recipient_maps =  $alias_maps), but it did not solve the problem.

There aren't any error messages within the logfiles, except "Mailbox does
not exist" ...
The output of postconf -n is attached to this email.

I'm running SuSE 8.2, postfix 2.0.6, cyrus-imap 2.1.12 & mailman 2.1.1
I read some stuff regarding "mailman wrapper", but I couldn't find it ...
even when compiling it from sources no wrapper becomes created/compiled ....

Is there anybody who'd advise me what to do, so that the whole stuff would
work again?

Thanks in advance!!!

c y
Torsten

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun Oct 19 20:39:56 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:39:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing through the relay
In-Reply-To: <200310191925.53957.konstant@rbcmail.ru>
Message-ID: <A2DD673A-0263-11D8-BEB8-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Sunday, October 19, 2003, at 04:35  pm, Konstantin Ovchinnikov wrote:

> Hello, all.
>
> I've installed Mailman 2.1.3 on RedHat 9 from the source, 
> web-interface is
> working normally, but mail is not delivered.
>
> The peculiarity of situation is that the host foo.bar.com, which runs 
> Mailman,
> as all the other hosts in bar.com deliver mail through the smart 
> relay. For
> security reasons we can't allow any host in our domain to deliver mail
> directly.
>
> Sendmail on foo.bar.com was up and running. When we say from this 
> host, for
> example:
> [root at foo.bar.com] # sendmail example at exaple.com
> ....
>
> Hello everybody
> ^D
>
> The mail is sent normally. We check example at example.com and get our 
> mail.
>
> We added the following into Mailman/mm_cfg.py:
> DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
> SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/sbin/sendmail'
>

You really do not want to use the Sendmail delivery module, that is why 
it is commented out in Defaults.py  with the following comment:

<quote>
# WARNING: Sendmail has security holes and should be avoided.  In fact, 
you
# must read the Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py file before it will work 
for
# you.
</quote>

You should tell Mailman to use SMTP to communicate with the outgoing 
MTA by saying

DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'

Then, in mm_cfg.py, tell it to use the local sendmail instance, if that 
is set up correctly to use your main relay:

SMTPHOST = 'foo.bar.com'

or tell MM to send outgoing mail direct to the main relay server:

SMTPHOST  'relay.bar.com'

I prefer using the local SMTP server for various reasons but both 
should work if the local Sendmail instance is configured appropriately.

> For example, we try to subscribe through the web-interface. Mailman 
> wants to
> send us confirmation letter, but it does it DIRECTLY (not through 
> relay), and
> I don't know, what it does with Sendmail. So, Sendmail can't deliver 
> mail,
> Sendmail just queues it. If Mailman did what is written in 
> Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py:
> cmd = mm_cfg.SENDMAIL_CMD + ' -f ' + mlist.GetBouncesEmail() + ' '
>
> everything would work normally, but it DOES NOT!
>
> The second question is what we have to do when we change 
> Mailman/mm_cfg.py:
> nothing or we have to rerun config_list?
>

Run $prefix/bin/mailmancntrl restart if you are using MM 2.1.x

> -- 
> Kostya.
>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From vizisz at freemail.hu  Mon Oct 20 10:24:36 2003
From: vizisz at freemail.hu (Szilard Vizi)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:24:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives do not appear
In-Reply-To: <20031018185856.GA27072@fisher.forestry.uga.edu>
References: <20031018185856.GA27072@fisher.forestry.uga.edu>
Message-ID: <33131.193.6.32.106.1066638276.squirrel@kabinet.uranus.vein.hu>

Hello,

> When I try and access the list archives on my Debian server set up with
> mailman, I get the following page:
>
> Forbidden
>  You don't have permission to access /pipermail/<listname>/ on this
>  server.
>
> This seems like something that should ahve been set up automatically,
> particularly on Debian. Can anyone tell me how to correct this problem?

If you are using a version from the 2.0.x series the archive doesn't work
until you send a message to the list. This was a common installation
problem at that time.

See the FAQ:
Q. Why doesn't the archive link work?

A. Have any messages been posted to the list?  This is a known buglet;
   the archive link doesn't work until at least one message has been
   posted.

Q. Okay, the archive link works, but I can't access the public
   archives.  Why?

A. If you are using Apache, you must make sure that FollowSymLinks is
   enabled for the path to the public archives.  Note that the actual
   archives always reside in the private tree, and only when archives
   are public, is the symlink followed. See this archive message for
   more details:
  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1998-November/000150.html

Szilard Vizi
-------------
mailto:vizisz at freemail.hu






From Uwe.Krause at fep.fhg.de  Mon Oct 20 11:23:17 2003
From: Uwe.Krause at fep.fhg.de (Krause, Uwe)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:23:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TXT attachments
Message-ID: <8DDE8CA53DC5F24DA4B7D074DDE8109F21C9BC@midgard.fep.fhg.de>

Hello,

> >Not only Outlook ... try to get a EUR through the list ...
> >
> I assume you mean you have your list configured for German 
> (ISO-8859-1)  but then send an email with a Euro sign character 
> (ISO-8859-11) to the list.

Yes ... but my Outlook XP chose "West Europe" ISO or Windows ....  no way for any ISO-8859-xx :-(.
And i hvae to use this client ...

> This is one special case where I think Mailman should not assume the 
> charsets are incompatible, and allow adding the footer  directly to the 
> body.  I'll see if I can come up with a patch.

Hmm, this would help a bit !!
Look for this patch &

thank?s Ben !!

Uwe



From javier.romero at cedex.es  Mon Oct 20 13:27:09 2003
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:27:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hello, help with problem, please
Message-ID: <3F93C68D.8010100@cedex.es>

Your "cron" job on burlador2
/usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests

produced the following output:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
    mlist.send_digest_now()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
    ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 304, in send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 311, in process
    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in search_function
    mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
ValueError: Empty module name

Empty module name??  i recently update mailman to 2.1.3 version.
One of my mailman lists stops sending messages on friday,but all lists are working fine...

thank for your help!


-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX



From vizisz at freemail.hu  Mon Oct 20 14:49:14 2003
From: vizisz at freemail.hu (Vizi Szilard)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:49:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache config for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20031018141841.S60964@warpix.org>
References: <20031018141841.S60964@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <36991.193.6.32.106.1066654154.squirrel@kabinet.uranus.vein.hu>

Hello,

> What do I need to add to httpd.conf to be able to use a web interface to
> Mailman?
>
> I have a ScriptAlias, do I need anything else?

Not really, but if you want to access the archive too, you have to put an

Alias /pipermail/ <mailmandir>/archives/public/

And if you are using 2.1.x series, probably you have to add the following
lines to your httpd.conf:

<Directory "<mailmandir>/archives/public/">
        Options FollowSymLinks
        AddDefaultCharset Off
</Directory>

bye,
Szilard Vizi
-------------
mailto:vizisz at freemail.hu



From mrjcleaver at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct 17 21:13:01 2003
From: mrjcleaver at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Martin@Cleaver.org?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:13:01 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scrubbing non-text attachments on cpanel
In-Reply-To: <1066417337.3764.28.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <20031017191301.42556.qmail@web86106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Help!

I have a mailing list
http://cp1.myhostdns.org/pipermail/mt-eliza-merger_mbssrc.com/2003-October.txt.gz
for which the archives are removing anything that is considered
non-text.

Am I the only person having this problem? It makes the mailing
list completely useless.

I've already told my hosting provider that this is reported and
fixed in
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-February/026875.html,
but I am told that because Cpanel control the install any
modifications they might install would get overridden by the
automatic update process.

Has anyone a workaround? This is killing me.

Cheers,

   Martin

    


=====
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From free2ride at lets-ride.com  Fri Oct 17 23:49:03 2003
From: free2ride at lets-ride.com (Dale schibbelhut)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:49:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web hosting for Mailman
Message-ID: <NDBBJBIBALPCKCFHILOIAEIAEGAA.free2ride@lets-ride.com>

Do you know of any web hosting companies that will host a mailman account at
a reasonable price? I need to find someone to host the mailman list because
our hosting company won't allow it on their server. I thought I had seen a
link to hosting companies on the website but I can't find it now.

Thanks
Dale


From misdemina at i-cable.com  Sat Oct 18 09:05:32 2003
From: misdemina at i-cable.com (Louis Headley / Chris Morley)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:05:32 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and  hostway sitecontrol
Message-ID: <004201c39546$38dbe3d0$91bd123d@hppav>


i am using mailman thru hostway site control.

i am using it to send mailing to our client list. 

i dont need functions like mail archives, subsrciber options, password input and view subsrciber list.  

i would like however to have the subscriber input their first name (for custom greetings).

i know that i can change the html pages but can i add the <first-name> into the mailman database?

i would also like to change some of the preset information on the page ie...<MM-Reminder>, <MM-Mailman-Footer>, etc...

thanks for any help.

louis



From mail at thegillons.net  Fri Oct 17 14:38:18 2003
From: mail at thegillons.net (John Gillon)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:38:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <E1AATs2-00043s-PT@server1042.webserver9.com>

After AOL/CS mysteriously blocked postings from our list due 
to "excessive member complaints" -- 8 AOL/CS members out of 49) we 
decided to move the list to a new server.  Now list postings go through 
correctly and reach everyone, but messages like the one below are 
generated on occasion to posting members.  Any ideas on how to correct 
this?  Help appreciated.

Here's the message:

Mailman-owner at server1234.webserver0.com writes:
You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
Mailman-owner at server1234.webserver0.com.




From rondout at ix.netcom.com  Sat Oct 18 16:50:57 2003
From: rondout at ix.netcom.com (Jean / Jay Driskell)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 9:50:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Transfering mailing lists
Message-ID: <41200310618145057250@ix.netcom.com>


I have a newsletter of some 20,000 subscribers currently hosted on Bizland.
I send e-Mail three times a week.  Each message is about 5,000 words in
plain text.  Bizland is a good service, but a lot of Spammers have also
made their homes there.  As a result, a lot of my mailings have been
blocked arbitrarily because of being with Bizland.  I feel I owe my
subscribers something better than that.
If you desire, you can check what I send by the archives at  
www.rondout.bizland.com  

What is required to establish a mailing service with you?

--- Jean / Jay Driskell
--- Rondout at comcast.net
--- www.rondout.us






From wej.comp.bing.jmj at worldnet.att.net  Mon Oct 20 00:45:51 2003
From: wej.comp.bing.jmj at worldnet.att.net (Walter  Jones)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:45:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email looping - autoresponders - how to stop it?
Message-ID: <000601c39692$c0591100$969f6720@Walter02>



From banderson at us.ncipher.com  Mon Oct 20 18:28:00 2003
From: banderson at us.ncipher.com (Brian Anderson)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:28:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim, python2, cpu usage?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0310201223320.70883@mail.ncipherusa.com>


Hello,

I've read through some of the list archives, and done a fair bit of
googling, but am having no luck.

I'm running Mailman 2.1.1 with Exim 3.36 on a dual processor
maching running FreeBSD 4.8.

I'm frequently seeing a python2 process owned by the mailman account using
90+% of one of the CPUs in the machine. Coinciding with this, the mail
delivery gets pretty slow... taking 15 - 20 minutes to send a mail to a
list with 50 local users (their accounts are on the same machine as the
list).

I've seen a few similar posts involving Sendmail, and others involving MX
records not resolving. What other places should I be looking at? Would
updating Mailman to 2.1.3 potentially fix this?




Thanks for any pointers,
Brian



From jam at jamux.com  Mon Oct 20 18:31:21 2003
From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:31:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web hosting for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <NDBBJBIBALPCKCFHILOIAEIAEGAA.free2ride@lets-ride.com> (Dale
	schibbelhut's message of "Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:49:03 -0600")
References: <NDBBJBIBALPCKCFHILOIAEIAEGAA.free2ride@lets-ride.com>
Message-ID: <87smlnzx9h.fsf@athene.jamux.com>

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From skip at pobox.com  Mon Oct 20 18:48:24 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:48:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email looping - autoresponders - how to stop it?
In-Reply-To: <000601c39692$c0591100$969f6720@Walter02>
References: <000601c39692$c0591100$969f6720@Walter02>
Message-ID: <16276.4568.407512.418392@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    > email looping - autoresponders - how to stop it?

I don't know if Mailman has any capability in this area.  You can push
things through procmail though and have it control the generation of the
automatic response.  I have a non-Mailman email alias which I manage this
way.  Its procmailrc file has a rule like this:

    ALTFROM=smontanaro at yahoo.com
    MY_XLOOP="X-Loop: ${ALTFROM}"
    FORMAIL=/usr/bin/formail
    SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail

    :0 Whc: reply.lock
    * !^FROM_DAEMON
    * !^$MY_XLOOP
    | $FORMAIL -rD 65536 $HOME/.msg.cache

      :0 ehc         # if the name was not in the cache
      | ($FORMAIL -rA"Precedence: junk" -A"$MY_XLOOP" ; \
         cat .../auto-reply.txt) | $SENDMAIL -oi -t

A shell script in /etc/cron.weekly deletes the .msg.cache file, thus nobody
gets the auto-response more than once a week.

Skip



From paul at thcwd.com  Mon Oct 20 19:56:18 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:56:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject: Two digest questions
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031020125331.03b858d0@mail.themarriagebed.com>

      My lists are set to generate a digest daily even if it's not 
full.  This is occurring at noon server time.  Anyone know where I can 
change that time?  A quick perusal of the FAQ did not give me an answer

      It also seems that the digests send well before reaching the 45 Kb 
limit I've set.  In fact i moved on up to 50 Kb, and it's yet to reach 40 
Kb.  Not a big deal, just seems odd when the average post is 3 to 7 
Kb.  Mostly curious about the inner workings on this one.

<>< Paul 

From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Mon Oct 20 20:06:12 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:06:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject: Two digest questions
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031020125331.03b858d0@mail.themarriagebed.com>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031020125331.03b858d0@mail.themarriagebed.com>
Message-ID: <3F942414.8000903@mitre.org>

Paul,

Paul H Byerly wrote:

>      My lists are set to generate a digest daily even if it's not full.  
> This is occurring at noon server time.  Anyone know where I can change 
> that time?  A quick perusal of the FAQ did not give me an answer

It is set off by a cron job.  Try looking at the results of:
crontab -u mailman -l

You can change it there.

>      It also seems that the digests send well before reaching the 45 Kb 
> limit I've set.  In fact i moved on up to 50 Kb, and it's yet to reach 
> 40 Kb.  Not a big deal, just seems odd when the average post is 3 to 7 
> Kb.  Mostly curious about the inner workings on this one.

Well, note that your first paragraph says you have set it to send a 
digest daily, whether or not it is full.

Are you saying that some days you send out two digests and the first one 
is only 40 KB?

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own






From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon Oct 20 20:10:16 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:10:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject: Two digest questions
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031020125331.03b858d0@mail.themarriagebed.com>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031020125331.03b858d0@mail.themarriagebed.com>
Message-ID: <20031020181016.GB1792@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Paul H Byerly wrote:
> My lists are set to generate a digest daily even if it's not full.
> This is occurring at noon server time.  Anyone know where I can
> change that time?

That's controlled by cron.  Use crontab -u mailman -l to see the
current mailman crontab and crontab -u mailman -e to edit it.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Tact is just a mutual agreement to be full of shit
    -- Spider Robinson

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From concordia at aldea.com  Mon Oct 20 22:53:31 2003
From: concordia at aldea.com (Concordia Chen)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:53:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] my archives still exist but my lists are gone
Message-ID: <003601c3974c$39662510$1a506b42@tfil.com>

Help! I don't know what happened, but all of a sudden I don't see any of
my lists anymore. When I do list_lists, it shows nothing. I had about 15
lists just this morning. I was playing around with backing up the lists
and I don't know if maybe I inadvertently deleted something important.
What file should I look for?

 

The archives for all of my old lists are still there. However, when I
created a new list that had the name of an old list, I can't access
those archives. I thought that that would work. Any ideas what went
wrong and how to recover? Does my explanation make sense? I was just
going to go through and recreate everything, but if there is an easier
way, that would be much appreciated, as all my users are currently
list-less.

 

Thanks in advance!!

Concordia =)



From concordia at aldea.com  Mon Oct 20 23:21:25 2003
From: concordia at aldea.com (Concordia Chen)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:21:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no archiving
Message-ID: <006501c39750$20ee6ca0$1a506b42@tfil.com>

This may be related to my other problem, but when I post to my list, it
is not saving the mails to the archive. I have no idea why it is not
finding them. I noticed that in my mailman/lists/<listname> directory,
there isn't a config.db file. Is that where it is supposed to be? When
does that get created? Is it all related? Is there some sort of a
pointer so it knows where to look for the archives? The url looks
correct :domain/pipermail/listname but nothing shows up. Thanks for your
help!! I am starting to freak out a little about this..

 

Concordia =)



From tim at IntegraStrategic.com  Mon Oct 20 23:32:15 2003
From: tim at IntegraStrategic.com (Timothy Brooks)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:32:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /root/6lcnGM: Permission denied
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031020172957.02af5848@www.IntegraStrategic.com>

For some reason, when half the people on my list send a message to the 
list, it comes through like this:

/root/6lcnGM: Permission denied

The characters after /root/ are different each time.  This has only begun 
with the implementation of the new filtering controls, and it seems to be 
affecting only people using a Web mail client.

The latest version of Mailman appears to be buggy, but I cannot tell.  Has 
anyone else had this error?

Tim



_______________________________________________
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164 Middle Street, Suite 2
Portland, Maine 04101
207.871-8008
http://www.IntegraStrategic.com . tim at IntegraStrategic.com



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 01:45:15 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 20 Oct 2003 19:45:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] my archives still exist but my lists are gone
In-Reply-To: <003601c3974c$39662510$1a506b42@tfil.com>
References: <003601c3974c$39662510$1a506b42@tfil.com>
Message-ID: <1066693514.3934.17.camel@Anncons4>

Start by doing a "check_perms" and if that doesn't find the problems.
Also, what happens when you send email out to your lists?

The lists are stored in ~mailman/lists/<listname>

Good Luck - I hope it's just your web pages that got knocked akilter.

Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 16:53, Concordia Chen wrote:
> Help! I don't know what happened, but all of a sudden I don't see any of
> my lists anymore. When I do list_lists, it shows nothing. I had about 15
> lists just this morning. I was playing around with backing up the lists
> and I don't know if maybe I inadvertently deleted something important.
> What file should I look for?
> 
>  
> 
> The archives for all of my old lists are still there. However, when I
> created a new list that had the name of an old list, I can't access
> those archives. I thought that that would work. Any ideas what went
> wrong and how to recover? Does my explanation make sense? I was just
> going to go through and recreate everything, but if there is an easier
> way, that would be much appreciated, as all my users are currently
> list-less.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance!!
> 
> Concordia =)
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 01:48:23 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 20 Oct 2003 19:48:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no archiving
In-Reply-To: <006501c39750$20ee6ca0$1a506b42@tfil.com>
References: <006501c39750$20ee6ca0$1a506b42@tfil.com>
Message-ID: <1066693703.3934.20.camel@Anncons4>

On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 17:21, Concordia Chen wrote:
> This may be related to my other problem, but when I post to my list, it
> is not saving the mails to the archive. I have no idea why it is not
> finding them. I noticed that in my mailman/lists/<listname> directory,
> there isn't a config.db file. Is that where it is supposed to be? When
> does that get created? Is it all related? Is there some sort of a
> pointer so it knows where to look for the archives? The url looks
> correct :domain/pipermail/listname but nothing shows up. Thanks for your
> help!! I am starting to freak out a little about this..
> 
>  
> 
> Concordia =)

config.db is for versions of Mailman 2.0 and lower
config.pck is for versions of Mailman 2.1 and higher

If your missing your config.pck then look for a config.pck.last and
rename that as config.pck.  It will be your list info minus your last
changes.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 01:58:49 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 20 Oct 2003 19:58:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /root/6lcnGM: Permission denied
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031020172957.02af5848@www.IntegraStrategic.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20031020172957.02af5848@www.IntegraStrategic.com>
Message-ID: <1066694329.3934.31.camel@Anncons4>

On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 17:32, Timothy Brooks wrote:
> For some reason, when half the people on my list send a message to the 
> list, it comes through like this:
> 
> /root/6lcnGM: Permission denied
> 
> The characters after /root/ are different each time.  This has only begun 
> with the implementation of the new filtering controls, and it seems to be 
> affecting only people using a Web mail client.
> 
> The latest version of Mailman appears to be buggy, but I cannot tell.  Has 
> anyone else had this error?
> 
> Tim

Check the configuration of your new filtering controls - it looks like
it's trying to create temporary files in root's home directory.

I've never seen anything like this be a Mailman problem.

Jon Carnes




From ehrbar at econ.utah.edu  Tue Oct 21 09:00:24 2003
From: ehrbar at econ.utah.edu (Hans Ehrbar)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:00:24 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base64 autoconversion of text
Message-ID: <200310210700.BAA06048@marx.econ.utah.edu>


Hello,

a list subscriber sends mail through the Simon Frazer
University System in Vancouver, and whenever there are a few
non-ascii characters in his mail (usually the microsoft
quotation marks) his mail is converted into base64 and a
header of the kind

X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to base64 by rm-rstar.sfu.ca id h9KNQMpl000451

is inserted.  Mailman 2.1.2 converts these messages into
8-bit in the digest, which makes them legible, but they
appear as illegible base64-globs the archives, and it
converts them into multipart/mixed in the non-archive
version of the list, with the main text still encoded in
base64, and the mailing list footer as the second part.  Is
it possible to have Mailman convert them into 8-bit in the
archives and the individual messages as well?  Or is this a
job for the MTA (exim) and I should ask this question on the
exim mailing list?  What would be a desirable solution here
(not every mail recipient is able to read this
base64-stuff.)

I am running Debian woody and mailman from the unofficial package
depository deb http://debian.jones.dk woody misc

Thank you for your advice.

-- 
Hans G. Ehrbar   http://www.econ.utah.edu/ehrbar   ehrbar at econ.utah.edu
Economics Department, University of Utah     (801) 581 7797 (my office)
1645 Campus Center Dr., Rm 308               (801) 581 7481 (econ office)
Salt Lake City    UT 84112-9300              (801) 585 5649 (FAX)




From javier.romero at cedex.es  Tue Oct 21 11:40:50 2003
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:40:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restarting a blocked list
Message-ID: <3F94FF22.4020401@cedex.es>

hello...
one of the ten lists i have working stoped sending messages,.  Ok, at 
moment i have to rmlist <blocked list>, saving the config file, and i 
have to create the same new list again, with same config file, and 
without removing archives... but... i don't know  if i could solve this 
problem better...
i can't find why the list stops sending messages, may the cron process 
of sending digest is the reason, i've send a HELP message yesterday with 
the output cron command.

thank you very much

-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX





From javier.romero at cedex.es  Tue Oct 21 11:45:20 2003
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:45:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] excuse my little english
Message-ID: <3F950030.9010008@cedex.es>


-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 15:13:56 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Oct 2003 09:13:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restarting a blocked list
In-Reply-To: <3F94FF22.4020401@cedex.es>
References: <3F94FF22.4020401@cedex.es>
Message-ID: <1066742036.2655.4.camel@Anncons4>

On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 05:40, javier wrote:
> hello...
> one of the ten lists i have working stoped sending messages,.  Ok, at 
> moment i have to rmlist <blocked list>, saving the config file, and i 
> have to create the same new list again, with same config file, and 
> without removing archives... but... i don't know  if i could solve this 
> problem better...
> i can't find why the list stops sending messages, may the cron process 
> of sending digest is the reason, i've send a HELP message yesterday with 
> the output cron command.
> 
> thank you very much

Javier,

Look in the FAQ for Mailman (3.14) might be helpful.

If you are not running the latest version of your Mailman branch, then
you should consider upgrading:
  For 2.0. that would be 2.0.13
  For 2.1  that would be 2.1.3

In general, check for a locking file problem first, then check the
qfiles to see what is stuck in the queue.  It may be that one of your
users on that list has a do-it-yourself email program that is sending
out corrupt headers.

You should NEVER need to delete the existing list.  If this solves the
problem for you, then try running "check_perms -f" and see if that finds
any problems.  This will check the rights on most of the key files
needed for Mailman to run properly.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From sladendorf at blakeschool.org  Tue Oct 21 15:38:15 2003
From: sladendorf at blakeschool.org (Steve Ladendorf)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:38:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing the look of Mailman
Message-ID: <fc.004c4b6b00dbab5e004c4b6b00dbab5e.dbabe9@blakeschool.org>

I've been looking and can't find a way to remove the footer that is added
to messages like so..

_______________________________________________
Test mailing list
Test at somewhere.blakeschool.org
http://somewhere.blakeschool.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Is that in mm_cfg.py or in the Admin site somewhere?  (I have looked -
Really!!)

Also, is it possible to add custom html headers and footers to the
listinfo and subscribe portions of Mailman?  I see where I can change
colors of some items but I need to embed the "Mailman" functions in to a
shell that looks exactly like our public site.  Would I be better off just
building a static page that posts back the the subscribe cgi?  I think I
see where that would be possible..

Any help, thoughts would be appreciated :-)!!

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Ladendorf                                                           
    Network Manager
sladendorf at blakeschool.org                                        The
Blake School
"The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe,
and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location... and I'm
not even too sure about that one"
                                                                      --
Dennis Huges, FBI.




From jp at warpix.org  Tue Oct 21 15:45:44 2003
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:45:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Icons
Message-ID: <20031021144544.E60964@warpix.org>


What is the usual way of handling Mailman's icons when using Apache?

Should I just copy them from mailman/icons to Apache's Icons directory, or 
can I change the configuration file by appending a second directory to 
the  icons alias?


-- 
John






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 16:24:23 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Oct 2003 10:24:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing the look of Mailman
In-Reply-To: <fc.004c4b6b00dbab5e004c4b6b00dbab5e.dbabe9@blakeschool.org>
References: <fc.004c4b6b00dbab5e004c4b6b00dbab5e.dbabe9@blakeschool.org>
Message-ID: <1066746263.2655.6.camel@Anncons4>

On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 09:38, Steve Ladendorf wrote:
> I've been looking and can't find a way to remove the footer that is added
> to messages like so..
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Test mailing list
> Test at somewhere.blakeschool.org
> http://somewhere.blakeschool.org/mailman/listinfo/test
> 

I suggest that you look again. It's in the web-admin for each list.

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 16:25:15 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Oct 2003 10:25:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Icons
In-Reply-To: <20031021144544.E60964@warpix.org>
References: <20031021144544.E60964@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <1066746315.2655.8.camel@Anncons4>

On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 09:45, John Poltorak wrote:
> What is the usual way of handling Mailman's icons when using Apache?
> 
> Should I just copy them from mailman/icons to Apache's Icons directory, or 
> can I change the configuration file by appending a second directory to 
> the  icons alias?
> 
Well, I usually just copy them into the systems icon directory.  Works
fine.




From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Tue Oct 21 16:28:22 2003
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:28:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing the look of Mailman
In-Reply-To: <1066746263.2655.6.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <D31D1BEC-03D2-11D8-BA4C-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>

On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 09:24 AM, Jon Carnes wrote:
>> I've been looking and can't find a way to remove the footer that is 
>> added
>> to messages like so..
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Test mailing list
>> Test at somewhere.blakeschool.org
>> http://somewhere.blakeschool.org/mailman/listinfo/test
>>
>
> I suggest that you look again. It's in the web-admin for each list.

More specifically, It's in http://dom.ain/mailman/admin/listname/digest 
and nondigest





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 16:29:26 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Oct 2003 10:29:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restarting a blocked list
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031021095614.00a9d658@spamarrest.com>
References: <3F94FF22.4020401@cedex.es> <3F94FF22.4020401@cedex.es>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20031021095614.00a9d658@spamarrest.com>
Message-ID: <1066746566.2655.13.camel@Anncons4>

On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:02, David Alexander wrote:
> Interesting... something similar happened to us (currently running version 
> 2.1.2).  Two of our lists were not responsive and had to be re-built, after 
> migrating from 2.0.x.  Now, another list is only partially responsive, and 
> might have been that way for a while: if I send from Outlook or Eudora to 
> that list, the message appears waiting to be Accepted, as it should; 
> however, if I send the message via a ColdFusion program the message appears 
> to be sent to the list, but never shows up on the list.  Meanwhile, the 
> same ColdFusion code can send the same email to other lists in the same 
> Mailman installation just fine.
> 
> Our network administrator left for another job last week, and his 
> replacement has not been hired yet.  I would like to solve this before a 
> new person gets up to speed... perhaps I will indeed remove the whole bad 
> list, since it is only a test list and only has about six entries in 
> it.  Is it as simple as finding one file and using "rm"?
> 
> I wonder if going to 2.1.3 might help with this problem....
> 
> David Alexander
> New York Software Industry Association
> 
In your case, I recommend that you change the mailman alias to point to
a local mailbox and then have the cold fusion program send off an
email.  That mail will be captured in the local mailbox and you can then
examine the headers with a critical eye.

In particular, I would look for white space that extends beyond end
characters and any non-ascii character that might be in the header (even
X-headers).

Good Luck.  It will be interesting to see what you come up with.

Jon Carnes




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Oct 21 16:42:26 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:42:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing the look of Mailman
In-Reply-To: <fc.004c4b6b00dbab5e004c4b6b00dbab5e.dbabe9@blakeschool.org>
Message-ID: <CA3BB394-03D4-11D8-BABC-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 02:38  pm, Steve Ladendorf wrote:

> I've been looking and can't find a way to remove the footer that is 
> added
> to messages like so..
>
> _______________________________________________
> Test mailing list
> Test at somewhere.blakeschool.org
> http://somewhere.blakeschool.org/mailman/listinfo/test
>
> Is that in mm_cfg.py or in the Admin site somewhere?  (I have looked -
> Really!!)
>

Assuming MM 2.1.x, try looking at the Non-digest and Digest options web 
admin GUI pages.

> Also, is it possible to add custom html headers and footers to the
> listinfo and subscribe portions of Mailman?  I see where I can change
> colors of some items but I need to embed the "Mailman" functions in to 
> a
> shell that looks exactly like our public site.  Would I be better off 
> just
> building a static page that posts back the the subscribe cgi?  I think 
> I
> see where that would be possible..
>

Again assuming MM 2.1.x, you should be able to achieve some tailoring 
through MM's template mechanism but you may not achieve all you want 
with the pages concerned unless you are prepared to hack the source 
code that is generating them.

Take a look at the default templates under $prefix/templates and the 
comments about the template search path in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py, 
starting at around line 396 in the definition of the findtext function. 
In particular, put your local templates in the site, host or list 
sub-directories; you will lose the changes when you update MM if you 
alter the default templates in situ.

> Any help, thoughts would be appreciated :-)!!
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Steve Ladendorf
>     Network Manager
> sladendorf at blakeschool.org                                        
> The
> Blake School
> "The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe,
> and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location... and I'm
> not even too sure about that one"
>                                                                       
> --
> Dennis Huges, FBI.
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From dalexander at nysia.org  Tue Oct 21 16:44:18 2003
From: dalexander at nysia.org (David Alexander)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:44:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restarting a blocked list
In-Reply-To: <1066746566.2655.13.camel@Anncons4>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031021095614.00a9d658@spamarrest.com>
	<3F94FF22.4020401@cedex.es> <3F94FF22.4020401@cedex.es>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20031021095614.00a9d658@spamarrest.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031021104044.028974d0@spamarrest.com>

Jon,

Thanks for the suggestion.  I just find it strange that the seem procedure 
is working with other lists on the same Mailman installation.  Are there 
any other restrictions I should know about concerning the header or 
configurations?  For example, maybe there is a configuration option that is 
controllable about what gets put in the headers, and that is set 
differently on the different lists.  I have tried playing with a few of the 
settings and comparing between lists, but so far have not had any 
luck.  Plus, while I am at it :--), each time the announcements go out, 
there is now a CC: line going to the list address, that all recipients 
receive.  I have played with that as well, but it still shows up, ever 
since we moved to 2.1.2.

Regards,

David Alexander
NYSIA

At 10:29 AM 10/21/2003 -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
>On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:02, David Alexander wrote:
> > Interesting... something similar happened to us (currently running version
> > 2.1.2).  Two of our lists were not responsive and had to be re-built, 
> after
> > migrating from 2.0.x.  Now, another list is only partially responsive, and
> > might have been that way for a while: if I send from Outlook or Eudora to
> > that list, the message appears waiting to be Accepted, as it should;
> > however, if I send the message via a ColdFusion program the message 
> appears
> > to be sent to the list, but never shows up on the list.  Meanwhile, the
> > same ColdFusion code can send the same email to other lists in the same
> > Mailman installation just fine.
> >
> > Our network administrator left for another job last week, and his
> > replacement has not been hired yet.  I would like to solve this before a
> > new person gets up to speed... perhaps I will indeed remove the whole bad
> > list, since it is only a test list and only has about six entries in
> > it.  Is it as simple as finding one file and using "rm"?
> >
> > I wonder if going to 2.1.3 might help with this problem....
> >
> > David Alexander
> > New York Software Industry Association
> >
>In your case, I recommend that you change the mailman alias to point to
>a local mailbox and then have the cold fusion program send off an
>email.  That mail will be captured in the local mailbox and you can then
>examine the headers with a critical eye.
>
>In particular, I would look for white space that extends beyond end
>characters and any non-ascii character that might be in the header (even
>X-headers).
>
>Good Luck.  It will be interesting to see what you come up with.
>
>Jon Carnes




From vizisz at freemail.hu  Tue Oct 21 16:53:32 2003
From: vizisz at freemail.hu (Szilard Vizi)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:53:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing the look of Mailman
In-Reply-To: <fc.004c4b6b00dbab5e004c4b6b00dbab5e.dbabe9@blakeschool.org>
References: <fc.004c4b6b00dbab5e004c4b6b00dbab5e.dbabe9@blakeschool.org>
Message-ID: <1702.193.6.37.7.1066748012.squirrel@kabinet.uranus.vein.hu>

Hello,

> I've been looking and can't find a way to remove the footer that is
> added to messages like so..
Login to the admin page, Non-digest options --> Msg footer, and Digest
options --> Digest footer is what you need.

bye,

Szilard Vizi
-------------
mailto:vizisz at freemail.hu




From marilyn at deliberate.com  Tue Oct 21 18:08:24 2003
From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] eVote-2.52b2 for Mailman released 
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310210908100.7314-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Beta 2 of the open source software utility, eVote(R)/Clerk, has been
been released and is now available at
<http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/evote>.

eVote(R)/Clerk has been an add-on utility for Majordomo since 1996
that has recently been enhanced to work with Mailman 2.0.13. It
provides functionality for taking polls among the subscribers of email
discussion lists.

This is a bug-fix release, where the path-finding code is more robust.
Also, instructions were added for configuring through Exim's runtime
configuration file.

 FEATURES

   *  Enables any member of an email list to generate a new poll for
      the group.

   *  Polls can be:

         +  Public - where everyone can see everyone's votes, or
         +  Private - where no one can see anyone else's vote, or
         +  If-Voted - where everyone can see who voted, but not how
                       they voted.

         +  Numeric - where votes are from 1 to 10, or -10 to 10, etc., or
         +  Yes/No.

         +  Visible - where everyone can see the tally while the poll is
                      open, or
         +  Hidden -  where no one can see the results until the poll is
                      closed.

         +  Single item - or,
         +  Grouped items - where participants vote for one of a number
                      of choices, or for three of the choices, or they can
                      distribute their 100 vote points over the choices.

   * Supports petitions.  Petitions are generated and collaboratively
     administered by the members of a "petition" list.  Petition features:

         + Open for anyone to sign.
         + Supported in English, Spanish and French.
         + Can be:
             - Signature-only petitions
             - Petitions with voting items
             - Petitions with forms

The Linux Journal, <http://www.LinuxJournal.com>, the monthly magazine
of the Linux Community, featured an article about eVote in the March,
2003 issue.  On the Linux Journal website, Don Marti, the Journal's
editor says:

"On page 72, Marilyn Davis explains that true democracy needs both
elections and deliberation. Most systems offer one or the other, but
not both.  However, Marilyn's eVote system makes it possible for any
user of a Mailman-based mailing list to start a wide variety of
single-choice or multiple-choice polls. After the initial setup,
there's no need for an administrator."

-----

Please try it out.

Marilyn Davis, Ph.D         marilyn at deliberate.com        -1 650 965-7121
Author of eVote(R)/Clerk                        http://www.deliberate.com 








From smtibocha at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 18:11:46 2003
From: smtibocha at yahoo.com (Sandra Milena Tibocha Roa)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:11:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help me please!! (URL Problem)
Message-ID: <20031021161146.86546.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi!!

I have the following problem:

I have ten lists created, eight works fine. The others
 two lists isn`t working propierly because the        
 administrative's page url is change adding a slash   
  more. Example:

                  
http://www.mydomain//mailman/admin/my-list-name


Does anybody know how to fix this problem to avoid the
 double slash??

Any idea?

Thanks, regards.

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
http://shopping.yahoo.com



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 19:21:07 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Oct 2003 13:21:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help me please!! (URL Problem)
In-Reply-To: <20031021161146.86546.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031021161146.86546.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1066756867.2655.21.camel@Anncons4>

Rent a clue - Read the FAQ :-)

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 12:11, Sandra Milena Tibocha Roa wrote:
> Hi!!
> 
> I have the following problem:
> 
> I have ten lists created, eight works fine. The others
>  two lists isn`t working propierly because the        
>  administrative's page url is change adding a slash   
>   more. Example:
> 
>                   
> http://www.mydomain//mailman/admin/my-list-name
> 
> 
> Does anybody know how to fix this problem to avoid the
>  double slash??
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> Thanks, regards.





From jeff at qoolio.org  Tue Oct 21 21:40:42 2003
From: jeff at qoolio.org (Jeff Warrington)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:40:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multilingual chinese support
Message-ID: <20031021124042.4c5c7a38.jeff@qoolio.org>


I am looking to put together a mailing list for students
learning mandarin and wanted to use Mailman. From what I've
read, it would seem that Mailman is able to pass on email
with multibyte characters in it okay. What I am wondering
is if it's possible for the pipermail archiver to create
the HTML messages with the multibyte characters intact.
In my testing, the archive pages do not contain the multibyte
characters in the original messages. 

I am running mailman 2.1.3 on Debian testing. I have already
installed the python2.3 CJK codecs package as well. 

I have searched through the archives and only found a few 
comments here and there with no definative answers. 

thanks in advance,
Jeff


-- 
<------------------------------------------------------------->
 jeff at qoolio.org <-> jeff at teamshred.com <-> blaze at teamshred.com
  .   . 
   \ /  "God is real... unless declared an integer"
   . .  
  '---' 



From novitz at nyc.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 22:12:07 2003
From: novitz at nyc.rr.com (novitz at nyc.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:12:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Nonmember Postings Be Allowed?
Message-ID: <43d513e1f3.3e1f343d51@rdc-nyc.rr.com>

Hi.  I apologize in advance--I'm usually someone who would dig right in and figure out how to do this myself, but I'm a bit time constrained right now (who isn't?) and I'm hoping to use the list's aggregated knowledge to my benefit.

Here's the question:

I want to create a mailing list (say, "[reminders]") for the purpose of sending mail to both myself and my wife, so that we're both aware of things that need to be done.  For example, our car dealer can send emails telling us when we need to have scheduled service.  I want both my wife and I to get the mail so that one of us will catch it and act on it, just in case it "blows by" one of us.  In such a case, I don't know the email address that the announcement will come from, nor do I want or need to know it--but I want to register the address that this entity will send to as "reminders at mysite.org" (my mailing list address), and I want to allow that sender (an address I do not know) to post to the list.

Can this be done?  and with what settings?

Any help would be much appreciated.

-- Mark




From novitz at nyc.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 22:22:59 2003
From: novitz at nyc.rr.com (novitz at nyc.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:22:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Nonmember Postings Be Allowed?
Message-ID: <4385a3e2aa.3e2aa4385a@rdc-nyc.rr.com>

Hi.  I apologize in advance--I'm usually someone who would dig right in and figure out how to do this myself, but I'm a bit time constrained right now (who isn't?) and I'm hoping to use the list's aggregated knowledge to my benefit.

Here's the question:

I want to create a mailing list (say, "[reminders]") for the purpose of sending mail to both myself and my wife, so that we're both aware of things that need to be done.  For example, our car dealer can send emails telling us when we need to have scheduled service.  I want both my wife and I to get the mail so that one of us will catch it and act on it, just in case it "blows by" one of us.  In such a case, I don't know the email address that the announcement will come from, nor do I want or need to know it--but I want to register the address that this entity will send to as "reminders at mysite.org" (the mailing list address), and I want to allow that sender (an address I do not know) to post to the list.

Any help would be much appreciated.

-- Mark




From novitz at nyc.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 22:27:42 2003
From: novitz at nyc.rr.com (novitz at nyc.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:27:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Sorry) Can Nonmember Postings Be Allowed?
Message-ID: <42f0440f7f.40f7f42f04@rdc-nyc.rr.com>

(And now with more apologies for the triple-posting and the line feed issues.  I think it's fixed now.)

Hi.  I apologize in advance--I'm usually someone who
 would dig right in and figure out how to do this
myself, but I'm a bit time constrained right now 
(who isn't?) and I'm hoping to use the list's 
aggregated knowledge to my benefit.

Here's the question:

I want to create a mailing list (say, "[reminders]")
 for the purpose of sending mail to both myself and
 my wife, so that we're both aware of things that 
need to be done.  For example, our car dealer can 
send emails telling us when we need to have 
scheduled service.  I want both my wife and I to get
 the mail so that one of us will catch it and act on
 it, just in case it "blows by" one of us.  In such
 a case, I don't know the email address that the 
announcement will come from, nor do I want or need 
to know it--but I want to register the address that
 this entity will send to as "reminders at 
mysite.org" (the mailing list address), and I want
 to allow that sender (an address I do not know) to
 post to the list.

Any help would be much appreciated.

-- Mark




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue Oct 21 22:28:16 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:28:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Nonmember Postings Be Allowed?
In-Reply-To: <43d513e1f3.3e1f343d51@rdc-nyc.rr.com>
References: <43d513e1f3.3e1f343d51@rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20031021202816.GI4011@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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novitz at nyc.rr.com wrote:
> I want to create a mailing list (say, "[reminders]") for the purpose
> of sending mail to both myself and my wife, so that we're both aware
> of things that need to be done.  For example, our car dealer can
> send emails telling us when we need to have scheduled service.  I
> want both my wife and I to get the mail so that one of us will catch
> it and act on it, just in case it "blows by" one of us.  In such a
> case, I don't know the email address that the announcement will come
> from, nor do I want or need to know it--but I want to register the
> address that this entity will send to as "reminders at mysite.org" (my
> mailing list address), and I want to allow that sender (an address I
> do not know) to post to the list.

It seems to me that you could accomplish the same thing much easier by
simply setting up reminders at mysite.org as an alias that delivers to
both of your real addresses.  A mailing list seems like overkill for
the task.

> Can this be done?  and with what settings?

Sure.  Check the Privacy options -> Sender filters page in the mailman
admin interface.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
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The worth of a state, in the long run, is the worth of the individuals
composing it.
    -- John Stuart Mill

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From david at midrange.com  Wed Oct 22 00:27:30 2003
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:27:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: /root/6lcnGM: Permission denied
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20031020172957.02af5848@www.IntegraStrategic.com>
Message-ID: <bn4bsj$i6l$1@sea.gmane.org>

"Timothy Brooks" <tim at IntegraStrategic.com> wrote in message
news:5.2.1.1.2.20031020172957.02af5848 at www.IntegraStrategic.com...
> For some reason, when half the people on my list send a message to the
> list, it comes through like this:
> /root/6lcnGM: Permission denied

Redhat right?

Check out http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg14584.html

david






From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Oct 22 03:38:19 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:38:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Two digest questions
In-Reply-To: <E1ABjyx-00054P-3E@mail.python.org>
References: <E1ABjyx-00054P-3E@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031021201709.08abd178@mail.thcwd.com>

John DeCarlo wrote:
>Paul H Byerly wrote:
>
> >      My lists are set to generate a digest daily even if it's not full.
> > This is occurring at noon server time.  Anyone know where I can change
> > that time?  A quick perusal of the FAQ did not give me an answer
>
>It is set off by a cron job.  Try looking at the results of:
>crontab -u mailman -l
>
>You can change it there.

      Okay, that's my dumb question for the month.  I've gotten so used to 
hacking Python files to do everything I don't think of the obvious.

> >      It also seems that the digests send well before reaching the 45 Kb
> > limit I've set.  In fact i moved on up to 50 Kb, and it's yet to reach
> > 40 Kb.  Not a big deal, just seems odd when the average post is 3 to 7
> > Kb.  Mostly curious about the inner workings on this one.
>
>Well, note that your first paragraph says you have set it to send a
>digest daily, whether or not it is full.
>
>Are you saying that some days you send out two digests and the first one
>is only 40 KB?

      One list sends two and three digests a day, and it's never been 
within 5 Kb of the limit.  I assume it sends a digest when it receives a 
post that would put it over.  I've not tracked it to see if in each case 
the next post would have put it over.  May just be coincidence.

<>< Paul




From mundaun at gmx.ch  Wed Oct 22 03:43:37 2003
From: mundaun at gmx.ch (Michael Stucki)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:43:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: wrapper returning '6' ... what does this mean?
References: <9B34B900-E7D6-11D7-883C-000A959A948A@3e.org>
Message-ID: <bn4nca$aok$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hi Daniel,

don't know if your problem is still unresolved. However, this is for the
archives! :-)

> I am trying to use exim with mailman. I've followed the directions at
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-November/
> 024041.html , but changing MAILMAN_WRAP=/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper
>   to MAILMAN_WRAP=/var/mailman/mail/mailman and changing the various
> instances of config.db to config.pck.
> 
> When mail is passed to mailman, I get the following in my
> /var/spool/exim/log/mainlog:
> 
> 2003-09-15 23:40:19 19z2x8-0005cR-Ub ** thingies at 3e.org
> <thingies-request at 3e.org> R=list_request_router
> T=list_request_transport: Child process of list_request_transport
> transport returned 6 from command: /var/mailman/mail/mailman
> 
> What does the return value '6' mean?

I had exactly the same problem. However, the solution was very easy:
Exim was set up to deliver mails to mailman automatically. This still works,
but it needs another syntax than before (I had 2.0.11 installed).

Have a look into README.EXIM!

Good luck!
- michael




From H.J.Mos at phys.uu.nl  Wed Oct 22 10:18:17 2003
From: H.J.Mos at phys.uu.nl (Mos H.J.)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:18:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cc: header when Full Personalization enabled
Message-ID: <222A9F6687F7B5428B7E7B6E8B328094B3B13D@argon.phys.uu.nl>

When Full Personalization is enabled the Cc: header still holds the list
address (couldn't find an option to clear it). Is there an option to only
enable the To: header en leave Cc: blank?

Thanks, Henk

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From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Wed Oct 22 15:12:32 2003
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:12:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] language support
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0310220910200.56796-100000@seyyav.pair.com>


Hi,

Using Mailman 2.1.2 and love the improvments, great job!

Is there anyway to add the new languages supported in 2.1.3 to 2.1.2
without upgrading to 2.1.3?

Thanks,
Sean




From wspivak at sbanetweb.com  Wed Oct 22 16:59:01 2003
From: wspivak at sbanetweb.com (Wayne Spivak)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:59:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk re-enabling of disabled accounts
Message-ID: <025201c398ad$07284670$faa8a8c0@accountcfo>

I have a list, that was too severed on bounced emails.

As a consequence, I have large numbers of individuals who have been
diabled.

Is there a way I can just re-enable everyone - short of dumping all the
names, clearing the list (remove members) and adding them in bulk?

Thank you.




From dalexander at opalcomputing.com  Tue Oct 21 16:02:24 2003
From: dalexander at opalcomputing.com (David Alexander)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:02:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restarting a blocked list
In-Reply-To: <1066742036.2655.4.camel@Anncons4>
References: <3F94FF22.4020401@cedex.es>
 <3F94FF22.4020401@cedex.es>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031021095614.00a9d658@spamarrest.com>

Interesting... something similar happened to us (currently running version 
2.1.2).  Two of our lists were not responsive and had to be re-built, after 
migrating from 2.0.x.  Now, another list is only partially responsive, and 
might have been that way for a while: if I send from Outlook or Eudora to 
that list, the message appears waiting to be Accepted, as it should; 
however, if I send the message via a ColdFusion program the message appears 
to be sent to the list, but never shows up on the list.  Meanwhile, the 
same ColdFusion code can send the same email to other lists in the same 
Mailman installation just fine.

Our network administrator left for another job last week, and his 
replacement has not been hired yet.  I would like to solve this before a 
new person gets up to speed... perhaps I will indeed remove the whole bad 
list, since it is only a test list and only has about six entries in 
it.  Is it as simple as finding one file and using "rm"?

I wonder if going to 2.1.3 might help with this problem....

David Alexander
New York Software Industry Association

At 09:13 AM 10/21/2003 -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
>On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 05:40, javier wrote:
> > hello...
> > one of the ten lists i have working stoped sending messages,.  Ok, at
> > moment i have to rmlist <blocked list>, saving the config file, and i
> > have to create the same new list again, with same config file, and
> > without removing archives... but... i don't know  if i could solve this
> > problem better...
> > i can't find why the list stops sending messages, may the cron process
> > of sending digest is the reason, i've send a HELP message yesterday with
> > the output cron command.
> >
> > thank you very much
>
>Javier,
>
>Look in the FAQ for Mailman (3.14) might be helpful.
>
>If you are not running the latest version of your Mailman branch, then
>you should consider upgrading:
>   For 2.0. that would be 2.0.13
>   For 2.1  that would be 2.1.3
>
>In general, check for a locking file problem first, then check the
>qfiles to see what is stuck in the queue.  It may be that one of your
>users on that list has a do-it-yourself email program that is sending
>out corrupt headers.
>
>You should NEVER need to delete the existing list.  If this solves the
>problem for you, then try running "check_perms -f" and see if that finds
>any problems.  This will check the rights on most of the key files
>needed for Mailman to run properly.
>
>Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>
>
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From DAlexander at OpalComputing.com  Wed Oct 22 17:09:34 2003
From: DAlexander at OpalComputing.com (David Alexander)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:09:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk re-enabling of disabled accounts
In-Reply-To: <025201c398ad$07284670$faa8a8c0@accountcfo>
References: <025201c398ad$07284670$faa8a8c0@accountcfo>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031022110800.025e88b0@spamarrest.com>

I believe once they are bounced, they are gone from the list.  But, once 
you export the bounced list you can copy-and-paste them into the membership 
list again.  Any duplicates will simply be rejected.  I hope that helps.

David Alexander
Opal Computing
NYSIA
http://www.opalcomputing.com

At 10:59 AM 10/22/2003, Wayne Spivak wrote:
>I have a list, that was too severed on bounced emails.
>
>As a consequence, I have large numbers of individuals who have been
>diabled.
>
>Is there a way I can just re-enable everyone - short of dumping all the
>names, clearing the list (remove members) and adding them in bulk?
>
>Thank you.
>
>
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From namradi at olemiss.edu  Mon Oct 20 17:47:00 2003
From: namradi at olemiss.edu (Naveen)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:47:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] membership question
Message-ID: <200310201541.h9KFfmp04941@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>

Hi,

 

  I am running mailman 1.1 version. And I have made a list and added some
emails to it. But it doesn't go. Can anybody tell me if there is a wrong
email address in the list and it will not work properly because of that. I
mean will it not send if there is alteast one wrong email address.

 

Thanks,

Naveen.

 

Naveenkumar Amradi

Network Administrator,

Office of Outreach,

University Of Mississippi.

662-915-5031

 



From vito.campanelli at mcgill.ca  Tue Oct 21 00:47:14 2003
From: vito.campanelli at mcgill.ca (Vito Campanelli)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:47:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <29D6D943F46C1F46AC069B0DA6261C66BE2C83@EXCHANGEVS1.campus.mcgill.ca>

Hi,

 

I was looking at the Mailman application.

Can you tell me if this program can accept emails from a sql query?

Essential, I would like to dynamically take the emails from a database.

 

Is this feasible?

 

Thanks

Vito



From regnauld at catpipe.net  Tue Oct 21 10:48:49 2003
From: regnauld at catpipe.net (Phil Regnauld)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:48:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Danish support in Mailman
Message-ID: <20031021084849.GD3340@moof.catpipe.net>

Hello,

I was glad to see that Danish was announced in the supported languages
in version 2.1.3.

However, after installing and configuring this version on our servers,
I discovered that:

- the translation is incomplete
- the templates/da directory is not included, I had to retrieve it
  manually from CVS
- part of the messages are in Norwegian, mixed with danish
- there is a large amount of spelling mistakes

Now, I'm not here to criticize the effort that went into this, but
it is misleading, and tarnishing for the reputation of mailman, to announce
support for a given language when it obviously is not complete.

I will do my best to submit patches for Danish as time allows.

Sincerely,
Phil


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From jharasty at pobox.com  Tue Oct 21 23:12:51 2003
From: jharasty at pobox.com (Jerry Harasty)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:12:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricted Posting in V2.1
Message-ID: <000801c39818$189d39a0$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com>

Mailman Help!

We were using the v2.0.13 "feature" of restricting postings to just a few people by providing a list in the
Privacy Options.

Now that our ISP has updated to v2.1, this doesn't seem to be working!

How do we do that in the new version?

Jerry Harasty

From friendly_43210 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 23:04:46 2003
From: friendly_43210 at yahoo.com (Zaw Min)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:04:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can anyone help me ?
Message-ID: <20031021210446.73809.qmail@web41304.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi..i'm new to Mailman and kinda stuck here ...wondering if any one out there can give me some suggestion. I'm running Mailman 2.1.2 on Redhat 9. I installed it ..went perfectly...my email server is on another Redhat 8 box, Mailman folder is shared through NFS so mailserver can inject the mails to the list. 
 
Everything was fine until my mailman server crash(actually x windows froze so reboot). Before that i can send email to the list and everyone received email ..ppl can send email to the list and works just the way i wanted. Now (after reboot) i can still send email to the list but only ppl in my organization can receive email. my list is list at mycompany.org and when i send email to that list all ppl with *@mycompany.org receive the mail but not other addresses. i have some addresses in the list with yahoo and hotmail and some other isp. anyone know what might be the probelem ? and where and what should I check ? 
Thanks in advance for all help !


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From randal.leavitt at rogers.com  Wed Oct 22 01:51:25 2003
From: randal.leavitt at rogers.com (Randal Leavitt)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:51:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Comment
Message-ID: <3F95C67D.2070207@rogers.com>

Hello...

I don't know very much about Mailman, so this question is the beginning of my 
familiarization.

I think that the Mailman archives are offering easy hunting for spam address 
scavengers.  It is too easy to search the archives at all the Mailman sites and 
pick out all the addresses embedded in them.  Is this correct?  If so, can 
something be done about it?

-- 
================================================
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Registered User 267646 at http://counter.li.org/






From bg at projects.at  Wed Oct 22 11:39:12 2003
From: bg at projects.at (Bruno Gilligsberger)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:39:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unicode error
Message-ID: <200310221139.12025.bg@projects.at>

With Maiman-2.1.3 I get this error, when someone sends back the 
confirmation-mail:


Oct 22 10:42:19 2003 (571) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII decoding error: 
ordinal not in range(128)
Oct 22 10:42:19 2003 (571) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 232, in 
_dispose
    res.process()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 105, in 
process
    stop = self.do_command(cmd, args)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 130, in 
do_command
    return self.do_command(cmd, args)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 132, in 
do_command
    return handler.process(self, args)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Commands/cmd_confirm.py", line 83, in 
process
    if line.lstrip() == match:
UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

Oct 22 10:42:19 2003 (571) SHUNTING: 1066812139.248986
+6b3ce17ac5ce8aa52d29ca6eefa928b3ded1cfb9

The language is German (de)
Yours
-- 
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Ploecking 51
A-4114 Neuhaus
Tel: +437232/2097





From clients at neilcowley.com  Wed Oct 22 16:12:16 2003
From: clients at neilcowley.com (Neil Cowley - Visual Artist)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:12:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installer recommendation?
Message-ID: <BBBC0880.772A%clients@neilcowley.com>

Can you recommend someone to install mailman for me?  I can do basic stuff
but Mailman looks like its a little beyond my UNIX comfort zone.  My server
is Apache and is run by Interland - a VPS package. If there is anyone
familiar with that that would be available to install for me let me know.

Thanks

Neil


Neil Cowley - Visual Artist

clients at neilcowley.com
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m: 585.721.0632
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http://www.rocamar.com.mx ? Eco Adventure Travel




From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Wed Oct 22 20:54:45 2003
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:54:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-deleting held messages
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310221447480.3335-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>

This is unsolicited but I'm sure someone has or will be bitten by this. So
consider this an amendment to the FAQ.

There's an answer in the FAQ on automatically deleting held messages along
with a script. In the following situation, Given list "somelist" as *well*
as list "somelist-blah",

when the script runs, for list  "somelist" due to the wildcard, it'll wipe
any pending msgs in the other list. The patch is to just tighten up the
regexp to search for 1 or more numbers after the dash ie
   rm ~mailman/data/heldmsg-$LISTNAME-[+0-9]*.txt
(And even that might not be tight enough if you happen to have another list
somelist-1)


 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies




From cwieland at uci.edu  Wed Oct 22 21:48:40 2003
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:48:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman upgrade 2.1.3
Message-ID: <BC40DF40-04C8-11D8-AB27-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>

Hello

I need to upgrade mailman from 2.0.13 to 2.1.3 is it possible to 
install it on the new machine and just copy the /archive & /lists 
directories over.

Thanks in advance
Con Wieland
UC Irvine

From griswld at cio.sc.gov  Thu Oct 23 00:31:25 2003
From: griswld at cio.sc.gov (Doug Griswold)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:31:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman upgrade 2.1.3
Message-ID: <sf96cd00.048@gw.state.sc.us>

I made this transisition a while back it was to 2.1.2
it went fairly smoothly.  Most of the information was gleaned from the
UPGRADING doc in source the section "upgrading individual lists" was
very useful.  As far I remeber that was basically what I did.  Double
check your settings after doing this.  It seems that I had to go back
and save the settings in my lists again.

>>> Con <cwieland at uci.edu> 10/22/03 15:59 PM >>>
Hello

I need to upgrade mailman from 2.0.13 to 2.1.3 is it possible to 
install it on the new machine and just copy the /archive & /lists 
directories over.

Thanks in advance
Con Wieland
UC Irvine
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From spam at einsnull.com  Thu Oct 23 05:26:36 2003
From: spam at einsnull.com (einsnull admin)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:27:36 +1
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 little problems maybe one with mailman 2.1.3
Message-ID: <3F974AA8.19474.3329947@localhost>


hi, i do have 2 little problems, maybe someone could help me:

1. i often have error messages like this in my logs/smtp-failure:

Oct xxx 2003 (189) delivery to mail at virtual-domain.com failed with code 
553: 5.3.0 <mailman-bounces at virtual-domain.com>... User unknown

where mail at virtual-domain.com is the address of the administrator of that 
list. maybe this is the problem for the 2nd problem:

2. periodically, the administrators of some lists are unsubscribed 
automatically because of bounces.


of cource, the address mailman-bounces at virtual-domain.com does not exist 
as we installed only one mailman-list with the main domain of our server. 
there only exists an address like list-name-bounces at virtual-domain.com

does anyone has a hint?

thanks,
u.
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From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Oct 23 05:09:18 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:09:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] That digest thing again
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031022201157.08ae0e50@mail.themarriagebed.com>


      Running Mailman 2.1.2.  I had a digest go out today that was 31 
Kb.  The limit for that list is set at 50 Kb under Digest options.  The 
next message was 3 Kb in size.  The digest could have included the next 5 
messages and been under the 50 limit.  The cron job now generates a digest 
at 1:45AM, the digest in question was sent at 4:05 PM.   At ( PM another 
digest was sent, this one was 29 Kb, and the next two messages were 3 and 4 
Kb.  It seems to be working with a limit between 31 and 32.  Am I missing 
something here?

<>< Paul 

From kv at ltk.net.ua  Thu Oct 23 07:38:35 2003
From: kv at ltk.net.ua (Vitaliy Karlov)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:38:35 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with bugs
Message-ID: <20031023053835.GA70964@pepper.ltk.net.ua>


Good day all.

Some days ago I notice than some post to list did not go to list, but
stay shuting.

in logs/error:

this
===
Oct 22 16:44:21 2003 (38679) SHUNTING: 1066822120.244683+5ac80f2a2c5793309cfbcbed703615ccf31b365b
Oct 22 16:44:21 2003 (38679) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xce in position 1: ordinal not in range(128)
Oct 22 16:44:21 2003 (38679) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose
    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 208, in ArchiveMail
    h.processUnixMailbox(f)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 560, in processUnixMailbox
    self.add_article(a)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 592, in add_article
    temp = self.format_article(article)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1225, in format_article
    self.__processbody_URLquote(lines)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1164, in __processbody_URLquote
    text = re.sub('@', _(' at '), text)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/sre.py", line 143, in sub return _compile(pattern, 0).sub(repl, string, count)
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xce in position 1: ordinal not in range(128)
===

or this

===
Oct 22 16:44:20 2003 (38682) SHUNTING: 1066819196.75235+30e4de05fe9d8ee5948c26cd52616945c651f4cb
Oct 22 16:44:20 2003 (38682) Uncaught runner exception: 
Oct 22 16:44:20 2003 (38682) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 75, in process
    prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 238, in prefix_subject
    headerbits = decode_header(subject)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 113, in decode_header
    raise HeaderParseError
HeaderParseError
==

I thanks for any help. My knowledge in language python is poor.

-- 
WBR, Vitaliy Karlov [KV1670-RIPE]



From james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com  Thu Oct 23 13:25:21 2003
From: james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com (james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:25:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman Server Setup
Message-ID: <OF8CCE0099.EA56CBB2-ON80256DC8.003DAEA1@cam.harlequin.co.uk>

I have just compiled and installed a copyof mailman-2.1.3 with python-2.2.3
running on a Solaris 8 machine with and apache server

every thing appears to be ok except that when i connect to the
webser/mailman/ i get a 403 forbidden error with the message

You don't have permission to access /mailman/ on this server.

this also appears to happen for the public archives as well, although i
have not created any lists as yet to have any archives

i would like to get this resolved before creating any lists and getting to
far into the configuration of the server

please not that webserver/mailman/listinfo is working ok

my apache configuration is as follows:

ServerRoot "/usr/local/apache"
PidFile /usr/local/apache/logs/httpd.pid
ScoreBoardFile /usr/local/apache/logs/httpd.scoreboard
TypesConfig /usr/local/apache/conf/mime.types
<IfModule mod_mime_magic.c>
    MIMEMagicFile /usr/local/apache/conf/magic
</IfModule>

ServerName mailman.globalgraphics.com

Port 80

Listen 172.16.19.105:80

User www
Group www

ServerAdmin sysadmins-cam-team at harlequin.co.uk

<Directory />
    AllowOverride None
    Options Indexes FollowSymlinks
    Allow from all
</Directory>

<Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/public>
    Options FollowSymlinks
</Directory>

DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm
AccessFileName .htaccess

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/

any help with this will apreciated, i have run check_perms and the
permissions are ok so i do not know what the problem is.  i played with an
earlier version of mailman previously and did not have these problems

Thanks

James Osbourn





From javier.romero at cedex.es  Thu Oct 23 13:37:42 2003
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:37:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restarting a blocked list
In-Reply-To: <1066742036.2655.4.camel@Anncons4>
References: <3F94FF22.4020401@cedex.es> <1066742036.2655.4.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <3F97BD86.7050501@cedex.es>

i'm actually working with 2.1.3 (always the latest version is good  ;-) )
No problems found with checkperms.

Now, i'm going to write my little experiment with mailman, i don't know 
if somebody did it before, look the /usr/local/mailman in machine1

bash-2.03$ cd /usr/local/mailman/
bash-2.03$ ls -la
total 54
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      512 Oct 22 10:42 .
drwxr-xr-x  11 root     other        512 Sep 19 12:00 ..
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman       26 Jul  3 12:50 archives -> 
/dirarcon/mailman/archives
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     1024 Oct  7 12:23 bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 cgi-bin
-rw-r-----   1 root     mailman     4133 Oct 22 10:42 config.pck
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:25 cron
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     2048 Oct 21 12:09 data
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 icons
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman       23 Jul  3 12:50 lists -> 
/dirarcon/mailman/lists
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct 23 13:25 locks
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  1 08:26 logs
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 mail
drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman     1536 Oct  7 12:23 Mailman
drwxrwsr-x  24 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 11:27 messages
drwxrwsr-x   6 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:41 pythonlib
drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 11:34 qfiles
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:42 scripts
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:40 spam
drwxrwsr-x  26 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 11:27 templates
drwxrwsr-x   4 root     mailman      512 Oct  7 12:23 tests

As you can see mailman is working in machine1 and writting the lists 
information into a networkapplyant (dirarcon)

Now, machine2 has another mailman writting into dirarcon too, with same 
lists, and in DNS i put machine1 and machine2 with one name, 
mailmans.domain.es... so roundrobin of DNS sometimes send messages to 
lists by machine1 and sometimes by machine2... no problem... all work 
fine but the most traffic lists (comunicaciones at cedex.es) sometimes 
stops (once per a couple of weeks)...

theory of unix says that two diferents tasks can open and write a file 
at same time, so i thought that was posible...

Now machine2 is stoped, and DNS only has a mailmans.domain.es -> 
machine1, at momment comunicaciones at cedex.es is working good, so i'm 
beginning to think that "theory of unix" is my problem, and if only  one 
machine is working with mailman, comunicaciones @cedex.es  won't stop...

anyway, i'll study qfiles, thank you very much jonc, and hope you to 
enjoy my experiment :-)
 



Jon Carnes wrote:

>On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 05:40, javier wrote:
>  
>
>>hello...
>>one of the ten lists i have working stoped sending messages,.  Ok, at 
>>moment i have to rmlist <blocked list>, saving the config file, and i 
>>have to create the same new list again, with same config file, and 
>>without removing archives... but... i don't know  if i could solve this 
>>problem better...
>>i can't find why the list stops sending messages, may the cron process 
>>of sending digest is the reason, i've send a HELP message yesterday with 
>>the output cron command.
>>
>>thank you very much
>>    
>>
>
>Javier,
>
>Look in the FAQ for Mailman (3.14) might be helpful.
>
>If you are not running the latest version of your Mailman branch, then
>you should consider upgrading:
>  For 2.0. that would be 2.0.13
>  For 2.1  that would be 2.1.3
>
>In general, check for a locking file problem first, then check the
>qfiles to see what is stuck in the queue.  It may be that one of your
>users on that list has a do-it-yourself email program that is sending
>out corrupt headers.
>
>You should NEVER need to delete the existing list.  If this solves the
>problem for you, then try running "check_perms -f" and see if that finds
>any problems.  This will check the rights on most of the key files
>needed for Mailman to run properly.
>
>Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>
>
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>  
>

-- 
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  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX



From griswld at cio.sc.gov  Thu Oct 23 15:56:02 2003
From: griswld at cio.sc.gov (Doug Griswold)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:56:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman Server Setup
Message-ID: <sf97a5b9.055@gw.state.sc.us>

It looks like you are going to the wrong url.  try
www.myserver.com/mailman/admin

>>> <james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com> 10/23/03 07:25AM >>>
I have just compiled and installed a copyof mailman-2.1.3 with
python-2.2.3
running on a Solaris 8 machine with and apache server

every thing appears to be ok except that when i connect to the
webser/mailman/ i get a 403 forbidden error with the message

You don't have permission to access /mailman/ on this server.

this also appears to happen for the public archives as well, although
i
have not created any lists as yet to have any archives

i would like to get this resolved before creating any lists and getting
to
far into the configuration of the server

please not that webserver/mailman/listinfo is working ok

my apache configuration is as follows:

ServerRoot "/usr/local/apache"
PidFile /usr/local/apache/logs/httpd.pid
ScoreBoardFile /usr/local/apache/logs/httpd.scoreboard
TypesConfig /usr/local/apache/conf/mime.types
<IfModule mod_mime_magic.c>
    MIMEMagicFile /usr/local/apache/conf/magic
</IfModule>

ServerName mailman.globalgraphics.com

Port 80

Listen 172.16.19.105:80

User www
Group www

ServerAdmin sysadmins-cam-team at harlequin.co.uk 

<Directory />
    AllowOverride None
    Options Indexes FollowSymlinks
    Allow from all
</Directory>

<Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/public>
    Options FollowSymlinks
</Directory>

DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm
AccessFileName .htaccess

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/

any help with this will apreciated, i have run check_perms and the
permissions are ok so i do not know what the problem is.  i played with
an
earlier version of mailman previously and did not have these problems

Thanks

James Osbourn



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From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Thu Oct 23 16:14:02 2003
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:14:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310231002450.9814-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>

We've had probs with nested lists in the past. I think the issue had to do
with private lists (ie only members can post) for both the sublist(s) and
the umbrella list. If set, how could a member of a sublist post to the
umbrella list unless either the umbrella list was unrestricted or the
user was also on the umbrella list? As I understand it, an umbrella list
should *ONLY* be a list of lists and have no users. But that still wont
allow a sublist member from posting to the umbrella, right?   So one
option we've entertained is to wipe and rebuild superlists each night
(ie dump sublist member addresses, wipe and reload them into superlist
instead of having nested list). This also makes employee-exit procedures
harder (how to find all lists a person is a member. I wrote a script that
lists_lists and recursivesly list_members and greps, kinda slow for many
lists.   OTOH, superlists guarantee someone isn't on two sublists and thus
gets two iterations of lists.

What have others done on this issue?

Another concern is; what happens if someone sends to a superlist during a
list rebuild? Is sync_members robust enough to at least always keep one
list of addresses around?

TIA


 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 23 16:51:05 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 23 Oct 2003 10:51:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310231002450.9814-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310231002450.9814-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>
Message-ID: <1066920665.2605.9.camel@Anncons4>

On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 10:14, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote:
> We've had probs with nested lists in the past. I think the issue had to do
> with private lists (ie only members can post) for both the sublist(s) and
> the umbrella list. If set, how could a member of a sublist post to the
> umbrella list unless either the umbrella list was unrestricted or the
> user was also on the umbrella list?

A user does not have to be a member of a list to post.  Posting
privileges can be added either individually or via a regular expression.

I generally go the route of hourly sync's to do "master" lists formed
from sub-lists, so that isn't a problem I deal with regularly.

>  As I understand it, an umbrella list
> should *ONLY* be a list of lists and have no users. But that still wont
> allow a sublist member from posting to the umbrella, right?   So one
> option we've entertained is to wipe and rebuild superlists each night
> (ie dump sublist member addresses, wipe and reload them into superlist
> instead of having nested list). This also makes employee-exit procedures
> harder (how to find all lists a person is a member.

Nope.

Look at the "remove_members" command in Mailman.
  --fromall
    Removes the given addresses from all the lists on this
    system regardless of virtual domains if you have any.
    This option cannot be used with -a/--all.  Also, you
    should not specify a listname when using this option.
 

>  I wrote a script that
> lists_lists and recursivesly list_members and greps, kinda slow for many
> lists.   OTOH, superlists guarantee someone isn't on two sublists and thus
> gets two iterations of lists.
> 
You also might want to look at the "find_member" command.

> What have others done on this issue?
> 
> Another concern is; what happens if someone sends to a superlist during a
> list rebuild? Is sync_members robust enough to at least always keep one
> list of addresses around?

No problems.  Lists are "locked" during changes, so the sent email will
simply be queued until the lock is removed.

Hope that's helpful - Jon Carnes




From mjn at umn.edu  Thu Oct 23 17:39:23 2003
From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:39:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Major problems after major problems...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0310231028360.1968-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

So we had some problems with disk space on the box which houses
mailman...we ran out.

As a solution, we moved /mailman-2.0.13/archives to
/home/mailman-2.0.13/archives -/home resides on a different partition and
has plenty of free space.

I created and symlink in /mailman-2.0.13 for the archives directory and i
have double-checked all of the permissions in
/home/mailman-2.0.13/archives -initially there were issues.

Now I am have some problems with subscriptions and in viewing some
public archives.

there are a couple of issues:

Logging into admin mylist yields the admin pages but i get this at the
bottom of the page:

"Bug in Mailman version 2.0.13

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem.  Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs."

Looking into the /mailman-2.0.13/logs/error, i see this:

Oct 23 10:33:04 2003 admin(24579):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(24579): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
admin(24579): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(24579): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(24579):   File "/mailman-2.0.13/scripts/driver", line 96, in
run_main
admin(24579):     main()
admin(24579):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 175, in main
admin(24579):     mlist.Save()
admin(24579):   File "/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in
Save
admin(24579):     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
admin(24579):   File "/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line
256, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir
admin(24579):     makelink(privdir, pubdir)
admin(24579):   File "/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line
42, in makelink
admin(24579):     os.symlink(old, new)
admin(24579): OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied
...

I have seen this error multiple times for multiple actions.

Most trouble of which is when a user attempts to subscribe via the web to
a list and this happens in the error log:

Oct 19 05:53:36 2003 admin(27587):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(27587): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
admin(27587): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(27587): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(27587):   File "/mailman-2.0.13/scripts/driver", line 96, in
run_main
admin(27587):     main()
admin(27587):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 76, in main
admin(27587):     process_form(mlist, doc)
admin(27587):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 187, in
process_form
admin(27587):     mlist.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote)
admin(27587):   File "/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/MailList.py", line 983, in
AddMember
admin(27587):     cookie = Pending().new(name, password, digest)
admin(27587):   File "../Mailman/Pending.py", line 74, in new
admin(27587):     self.__save(db)
admin(27587):   File "../Mailman/Pending.py", line 111, in __save
admin(27587):     fp = open(self.db_path, "w")
admin(27587): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db'



Any idea as far as what i should be looking at here? i have checked
permissions all over the place and it seems like something simple but i
cannot seem to find it. Ideas?

Any help is much appretiated. Thanks.

--
_______________________________________________
Mike Neuharth
ADCS Technology Specialist
http://www.umn.edu/adcs
===============================================
E-Mail          : mjn at umn.edu
Page Mail       : 6126486512 at page.metrocall.com
_______________________________________________
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 whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as to extract,
 from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is identical
 with that of hunger."  -Antonin Artaud



From info at bignose.ca  Thu Oct 23 18:08:21 2003
From: info at bignose.ca (Jeff MacDonald)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:08:21 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perl API
Message-ID: <1066925301.12228.7.camel@milhouse.bignose.ca>

Hi,

I need to write a few custom management frontends to mail man and they
need to be in perl.

Is there a perl API[module] for mailman ?

Jeff.




From vgb at umd.edu  Thu Oct 23 21:50:44 2003
From: vgb at umd.edu (Vijay G. Bharadwaj)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:50:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Address matching behavior
Message-ID: <3F983114.1000602@umd.edu>

Hi all,

I've been running a bunch of mailman lists for about two years now, and 
a couple of months ago I upgraded to version 2.1 from 2.0. Since the 
change, every message sent to any one of our members-only lists is being 
held for approval.

The problem appears to be a change in mailman's address matching 
behavior. Previously, if user at domain.tld was subscribed, email from 
user at host.domain.tld would be accepted as well. The new mailman, 
however, doesn't think user at host.domain.tld is a member, and so holds 
the message for approval.

This is a huge pain. Is there a way I can get back the old behavior? I 
searched all over google and Usenet, and it seems like no one else has 
commented on this before...

Thanks,

-- 
-Vijay





From aaron.bennett at olin.edu  Thu Oct 23 22:07:35 2003
From: aaron.bennett at olin.edu (Aaron Bennett)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:07:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange bounce notification
Message-ID: <3F983507.9080209@olin.edu>

Hello --

One of our lists owners has received a very strange uncaught bounce 
notification.  I can't figure out where it's coming from... here is the 
message:

>-----Original Message-----
>From: mailman-bounces at lists.olin.edu
>[mailto:mailman-bounces at lists.olin.edu] 
>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:36 PM
>To: it-student-wg-owner at lists.olin.edu
>Subject: Uncaught bounce notification
>
>
>The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
>format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
>from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized
>bounce messages to the list administrator(s).
>
>For more information see:
>http://lists.olin.edu/mailman/admin/it-student-wg/bounce
>
>  
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> New subscription request to list It-student-wg 
> fromdrew.harry at students.olin.edu
> From:
> <it-student-wg-owner at lists.olin.edu>
> Date:
> Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:35:54 -0400
>
> To:
> <it-student-wg-owner at lists.olin.edu>
>
>
>Your authorization is required for a mailing list subscription request
>approval:
>
>    For:  drew.harry at students.olin.edu
>    List: it-student-wg at lists.olin.edu
>
>At your convenience, visit:
>
>    http://lists.olin.edu/mailman/admindb/it-student-wg
>	
>to process the request.
>  
>
How would this bounce?  Where was it sent to?

-- 
Aaron Bennett
UNIX Administrator
Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering






From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Oct 23 23:02:19 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:02:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Address matching behavior
In-Reply-To: <3F983114.1000602@umd.edu>
Message-ID: <307D16AA-059C-11D8-8FD0-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 08:50  pm, Vijay G. Bharadwaj wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've been running a bunch of mailman lists for about two years now, 
> and a couple of months ago I upgraded to version 2.1 from 2.0. Since 
> the change, every message sent to any one of our members-only lists is 
> being held for approval.
>
> The problem appears to be a change in mailman's address matching 
> behavior.

See:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg11701.html

> Previously, if user at domain.tld was subscribed, email from 
> user at host.domain.tld would be accepted as well. The new mailman, 
> however, doesn't think user at host.domain.tld is a member, and so holds 
> the message for approval.
>
> This is a huge pain. Is there a way I can get back the old behavior? I 
> searched all over google and Usenet, and it seems like no one else has 
> commented on this before...
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- 
> -Vijay
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From ewilts at ewilts.org  Thu Oct 23 23:09:54 2003
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:09:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Address matching behavior
In-Reply-To: <3F983114.1000602@umd.edu>
References: <3F983114.1000602@umd.edu>
Message-ID: <20031023210954.GC9691@www.ewilts.org>

On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 03:50:44PM -0400, Vijay G. Bharadwaj wrote:
> I've been running a bunch of mailman lists for about two years now, and 
> a couple of months ago I upgraded to version 2.1 from 2.0. Since the 
> change, every message sent to any one of our members-only lists is being 
> held for approval.
> 
> The problem appears to be a change in mailman's address matching 
> behavior. Previously, if user at domain.tld was subscribed, email from 
> user at host.domain.tld would be accepted as well. The new mailman, 
> however, doesn't think user at host.domain.tld is a member, and so holds 
> the message for approval.

I believe that this is the intended behavior.  You need to determine if
you want outgoing mail to be user at host.domain.tld or user at domain.tld -
you should not use both.  The 2 e-mail addresses are different, and I
think you need to fix the outgoing mail to masquerade
user at host.domain.tld to user at domain.tld.

I would think the 2.0 behavior, as you specified, is a bug.  How would
you expect it to work if user at host1.domain.tld and user at host2.domain.tld
are different users?  From an outsider's point of view, the most
certainly are.  user at host.domain.tld is also different than
user at domain.tld - in some cases at my site, they are (root for example).

IMO, 2.1 is doing the right thing and you need to fix your outgoing mail
behavior.

-- 
Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org



From RichardD at presbyterian.org.nz  Thu Oct 23 23:43:31 2003
From: RichardD at presbyterian.org.nz (Richard Davis)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:43:31 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Zealand 
Message-ID: <0295F6581DE0BA4190CAA8D0073D94141C8517@pdc.pcanz.org.nz>

Is there anyone from NZ out there I could ring for some help with mailman?


Richard Davis
Communications Advisor and Webmaster
Presbyterian Church of Aotearoa New Zealand
PO Box 9049, Wellington, New Zealand
Phone: +64.4.801600; Fax: +64.4.8016001
Direct: +64.4.3818285 Mob: 027.4048656
http://www.presbyterian.org.nz/



From vgb at umd.edu  Fri Oct 24 00:15:25 2003
From: vgb at umd.edu (Vijay G. Bharadwaj)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:15:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Address matching behavior
In-Reply-To: <20031023210954.GC9691@www.ewilts.org>
References: <3F983114.1000602@umd.edu> <20031023210954.GC9691@www.ewilts.org>
Message-ID: <3F9852FD.9050906@umd.edu>

Thanks for the replies.

I realize that adding the host name is not-so-desirable behavior (which 
is why you won't see hostnames in my outgoing email :)). It is, however, 
very common, and I don't have any control over the large number of users 
and mail servers that would need to be fixed in order for it to go away.

Ed - the 2.0 behavior was a config option, not a bug. I know that 
someone who controls a host can give themselves any username they want - 
this is just one of the many easy ways to forge a from address. However, 
most users don't do this, and many are either unable or not knowledgable 
enough to fix their clients or servers to canonicalize the outgoing 
address. As such, SMART_MATCH provided a useful service to some of us 
harrowed admins.

I think I will take a closer look at the membership adapter. It doesn't 
seem that hard to hack the functionality back in at first glance, and it 
sure beats having to nag at all the (mostly external) users who have the 
problem.

-- 
-Vijay





From randy.foo at hp.com  Fri Oct 24 00:57:31 2003
From: randy.foo at hp.com (Foo, Randy)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:57:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI not working
Message-ID: <329CEF4E238E71429500F7A09094745F03B65241@cacexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Hello,

I'm a newbie, and have just installed mailman on Red Hat 9, with the
apache web server.  None of it was done with rpm, I downloaded,
configured and compiled from both apache.org and the mailman site.  I've
created the 'mailman' list, after having gone through all install docs.
Mailman's cgi does not work, however.  The documentation said to check
the apache group setting, which is at the default right now #-1, but I
have changed it to gid 99, to no avail.  Default cgi group is apparently
www in mailman, although the username is nobody in apache (gid 99 in
redhat) for httpd.  How do I get the mailman cgi to work?  I've set the
scriptalias directive in apache to /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin

I also tried re-running the configure script using the --with-cgi-id ,
but no matter what it seems to use www.

The first mailing from the mailman list went to my email ok, returning
the link <myserver>.vcd.hp.com/mailman/admin/mailman, but all that is
returned is the "object not found - the requested URL was not found on
this server"

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Randy Foo
Unix System Administrator
The Kemtah Group at Hewlett Packard



From grstarrett at cox.net  Fri Oct 24 01:13:22 2003
From: grstarrett at cox.net (Glen Starrett)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:13:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Good win32 mailing list manager server?
Message-ID: <001501c399bb$4430d190$1401a8c0@GLEN>

Does anyone know of a no-cost mailing list manager application that runs on
Win2k?  I saw the FAQ entry for mailman and have googled around for quite
awhile now, but can't seem to find any.  I would think this would be obvious
somewhere, but I can only find a handful of commercial implementations that
I've never heard of before.
 
Is anyone working on a win32 port of mailman, or has anyone put together a
howto to get it running under Win2K?  I'd set up a linux box but I think our
IT
people would freak out...
 
Regards,
 
Glen Starrett
 


From links at momsview.com  Fri Oct 24 01:25:32 2003
From: links at momsview.com (Links at Momsview.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:25:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL now bouncing ALL email from ALL mailman systems
Message-ID: <065001c399bc$f463fa00$0201a8c0@daddy>

Serious issue for those with aol subscribers.
I'm currently whitelisted with aol and usually have no problem with mail delivery.
Currently running 2.1.3


This morning I noticed aol bouncing just about all of the emails from my mailman server with one or the other of the following
bounce messages:

Oct 23 09:39:34 myserver postfix/smtp[5615]: 974515884F8: to=<user2 at aol.com>, relay=mailin-04.mx.aol.com[64.12.138.152], delay=1, status=bounced (host mailin-04.mx.aol.com[64.12.138.152] said: 500 SYNTAX ERROR, COMMAND UNRECOGNIZED)
Oct 23 09:39:34 myserver postfix/smtp[6435]: 1ED73588177: to=<user1 at aol.com>, relay=mailin-01.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.89], delay=0, status=bounced (host mailin-01.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.89] said: 554 TRANSACTION FAILED)

I spoke with the aol postmaster support line and they confirmed that the problem is due to the form of the mailman reply-to address to process bounces:

listname-bounces+username=aol.com at momsview.net

They don't like the "=" in the address.

Again this appears to be due to a recent change in aol's mail server software.

I'll update once I hear back from aol


From links at momsview.com  Fri Oct 24 01:40:49 2003
From: links at momsview.com (Links at Momsview.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:40:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL now bouncing ALL email from ALL mailman systems
Message-ID: <067901c399bf$169eb950$0201a8c0@daddy>

I meant to say that the issue is with the mailman form of 

Sender:
and
Errors-to:

Not

Reply-to


From atrick at prin.edu  Fri Oct 24 03:13:48 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:13:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL now bouncing ALL email from ALL
	mailman systems
In-Reply-To: <067901c399bf$169eb950$0201a8c0@daddy>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031023201214.02749278@mail.prin.edu>

Is there anything we can do to remedy this in our own installations of 
Mailman?  It'd be nice if AOL would fix it, but I don't think we can count 
on that.  It's clearly not a situation any of us can live with.  So what 
shall we do?

Allan




From links at momsview.com  Fri Oct 24 03:52:41 2003
From: links at momsview.com (Links at Momsview.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:52:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL now bouncing ALL email from ALL mailman systems
Message-ID: <07ad01c399d1$832c50c0$0201a8c0@daddy>

Someone emailed me to point out that this form of Sender: and Errors to: address is only used if you have personalization turned on.


From atrick at prin.edu  Fri Oct 24 04:00:04 2003
From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:00:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL now bouncing ALL email from ALL
	mailman systems
In-Reply-To: <07ad01c399d1$832c50c0$0201a8c0@daddy>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031023205831.0281ac28@mail.prin.edu>


>Someone emailed me to point out that this form of Sender: and Errors to: 
>address is only used if you have personalization turned on.

I couldn't live without personalization now that I have it on.

Would removing the RFC 2369 headers make any difference to AOL?

Allan




From warren at whoffman.com  Fri Oct 24 05:10:34 2003
From: warren at whoffman.com (Warren Hoffman)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:10:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where is 'reject' message stored
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20031023230804.025ac868@mail.whoffman.com>

One of my associates set up content filters to reject attachments and other 
things. He created a custom message to explain this. Now he wants to change 
the message, but I cannot locate which file in /mailman holds the text (and 
I did look at all of them). Can somebody tell me how I could find it. I do 
know text fragments.

Thanks!!!

--Warren




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 05:10:47 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 23 Oct 2003 23:10:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restarting a blocked list
In-Reply-To: <3F97BD86.7050501@cedex.es>
References: <3F94FF22.4020401@cedex.es> <1066742036.2655.4.camel@Anncons4>
	<3F97BD86.7050501@cedex.es>
Message-ID: <1066965047.2605.303.camel@Anncons4>

On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 07:37, javier wrote:
> i'm actually working with 2.1.3 (always the latest version is good 
> ;-) )
> theory of unix says that two diferents tasks can open and write a file

Do you have the ~mailman/locks directory shared as well?

That should do a fair job of keeping the processes (even on multiple
machines) from writing to the files simultaneously.

> at same time, so i thought that was posible...
> 
> Now machine2 is stoped, and DNS only has a mailmans.domain.es ->
> machine1, at momment comunicaciones at cedex.es is working good, so i'm
> beginning to think that "theory of unix" is my problem, and if only 
> one machine is working with mailman, comunicaciones @cedex.es  won't
> stop...
> 
> anyway, i'll study qfiles, thank you very much jonc, and hope you to
> enjoy my experiment  :-) 
>  
Cool.  I've used LVS to do something similar. In my case, I run a
separate process in the background that keeps the background servers
synchronized (and creates a lock file during the sync).

In the end, I think that is a simpler setup, as each server can operate
independently.  Originally I set it up so that only one of the
background servers handled the Web-requests - that removed any latency
issues from users who expect to see the changes instantly propagated. 

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Oct 24 05:27:53 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:27:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: AOL now bouncing ALL email from ALL mailman
	systems
In-Reply-To: <E1ACrBx-0004Ms-Cf@mail.python.org>
References: <E1ACrBx-0004Ms-Cf@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031023211709.08920a98@mail.thcwd.com>

Links at Momsview.com wrote:
>Someone emailed me to point out that this form of Sender: and Errors to: 
>address is only used if you have personalization turned on.

     I must differ with the subject heading.  I have four Mailman 2.1.2 
lists with personalization on, and I am not getting bounces from AOL.  In 
fact I just sent a message to one, and it went to my AOL test account just 
fine.


<>< Paul 




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct 24 06:10:39 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 24 Oct 2003 00:10:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where is 'reject' message stored
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20031023230804.025ac868@mail.whoffman.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20031023230804.025ac868@mail.whoffman.com>
Message-ID: <1066968638.2605.312.camel@Anncons4>

On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 23:10, Warren Hoffman wrote:
> One of my associates set up content filters to reject attachments and other 
> things. He created a custom message to explain this. Now he wants to change 
> the message, but I cannot locate which file in /mailman holds the text (and 
> I did look at all of them). Can somebody tell me how I could find it. I do 
> know text fragments.
> 
> Thanks!!!
> 
> --Warren

for i in `find /var/mailman/ -type f` do; grep -H "fragment" $i; done

This will search through every file in every subdirectory of
/var/mailman and look for the word "fragment". If it finds a match, it
prints out the files name.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com  Fri Oct 24 09:29:43 2003
From: james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com (james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:29:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI not working
Message-ID: <OF4576C6DF.7E7854EF-ON80256DC9.0028AD4C@cam.harlequin.co.uk>


i have just been setting up a server and had some similar problems, you
need to check that the group that mailman first matches for running its cgi
scripts is the group  that the apache server is running

by default mailman will check for www then www-data and then nobody (see
install doc), on a redhat machine that i have the www and www-data groups
do not exist but nobody does with id 99, and the default RH9 apache server
runs as group, and user, apache GUID 48

if you have not used the --with-cgi-gid option then you need to use the
User and Group options for apache to set the server to run as nobody or
whatever group mailman first macthes

once you haev done this try a webpage such as
http://<yourdomain>/mailman/admin, a gotcha that hit me is that just
looking at http://<yourdomain>/mailman/ will not work as there is not
default script or index page for the server to display and you will
probably get an error

James


At 23/10/2003 23:57:31,
mailman-users-bounces+james.osbourn=globalgraphics.com at python.org wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm a newbie, and have just installed mailman on Red Hat 9, with the
> apache web server.  None of it was done with rpm, I downloaded,
> configured and compiled from both apache.org and the mailman site.  I've
> created the 'mailman' list, after having gone through all install docs.
> Mailman's cgi does not work, however.  The documentation said to check
> the apache group setting, which is at the default right now #-1, but I
> have changed it to gid 99, to no avail.  Default cgi group is apparently
> www in mailman, although the username is nobody in apache (gid 99 in
> redhat) for httpd.  How do I get the mailman cgi to work?  I've set the
> scriptalias directive in apache to /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin
>
> I also tried re-running the configure script using the --with-cgi-id ,
> but no matter what it seems to use www.
>
> The first mailing from the mailman list went to my email ok, returning
> the link <myserver>.vcd.hp.com/mailman/admin/mailman, but all that is
> returned is the "object not found - the requested URL was not found on
> this server"
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Randy Foo
> Unix System Administrator
> The Kemtah Group at Hewlett Packard
>
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>





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 10:11:50 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:11:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI not working
In-Reply-To: <OF4576C6DF.7E7854EF-ON80256DC9.0028AD4C@cam.harlequin.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B8658BDB-05F9-11D8-8FD0-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 08:29  am, 
james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com wrote:

>

<snip>

>
> once you haev done this try a webpage such as
> http://<yourdomain>/mailman/admin, a gotcha that hit me is that just
> looking at http://<yourdomain>/mailman/ will not work as there is not
> default script or index page for the server to display and you will
> probably get an error
>

I use the following RewriteRule in my Apached httpd.conf to avoid this:

         RewriteRule ^/mailman(|/)$ /mailman/listinfo  [PT]

> James
>

<snip>

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From links at momsview.com  Fri Oct 24 12:41:52 2003
From: links at momsview.com (Links at Momsview.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:41:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL now bouncing ALL email from ALL mailman systems
Message-ID: <07fe01c39a1b$6f977fe0$0201a8c0@daddy>

I would interested in having people search their mail logs for the bounce message shown in my first message and finding out whether anyone else is seeing this message.

While I don't know if this makes any difference I have a 2.1.3 system just upgraded this week.


From khera at kcilink.com  Fri Oct 24 16:11:00 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:11:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL now bouncing ALL email from ALL mailman
	systems
In-Reply-To: <065001c399bc$f463fa00$0201a8c0@daddy>
References: <065001c399bc$f463fa00$0201a8c0@daddy>
Message-ID: <16281.13044.392315.845681@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "LaMc" == Links at Momsview com <Links> writes:

LaMc> Oct 23 09:39:34 myserver postfix/smtp[5615]: 974515884F8: to=<user2 at aol.com>, relay=mailin-04.mx.aol.com[64.12.138.152], delay=1, status=bounced (host mailin-04.mx.aol.com[64.12.138.152] said: 500 SYNTAX ERROR, COMMAND UNRECOGNIZED)

I've heard that this particular message is an obscured content-based
rejection message.  Perhaps your message was discussing something they
didn't like, or perhaps they've banned mail referencing some
particular domain.

did that message include reference to a web site via IP address
instead of name?  they'll block those, too.

My logs show message flowing just fine from Mailman to AOL at 9:24 am
US Eastern Time, with the VERP'd return addresses.

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Vivek Khera, Ph.D.                Khera Communications, Inc.
Internet: khera at kciLink.com       Rockville, MD       +1-240-453-8497
AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera   http://www.khera.org/~vivek/



From ed at easent.net  Fri Oct 24 16:24:32 2003
From: ed at easent.net (Ed)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:24:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL now bouncing ALL email from ALL
	mailman systems
In-Reply-To: <16281.13044.392315.845681@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
References: <065001c399bc$f463fa00$0201a8c0@daddy>
	<065001c399bc$f463fa00$0201a8c0@daddy>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20031024102211.01a87c98@mail.easent.net>

Well actually this is part of their new MIME filtering.  We have a web log 
reporting engine that makes some positively huge email's with MIME encoded 
charts and other images.  AOL barf's continually on these while it lets 
other MIME encoded traffic from us to the same person(s) go right on through.

Just another case of the total ineptitude present at AOL.

--Ed

At 10:11 AM 10/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >>>>> "LaMc" == Links at Momsview com <Links> writes:
>
>LaMc> Oct 23 09:39:34 myserver postfix/smtp[5615]: 974515884F8: 
>to=<user2 at aol.com>, relay=mailin-04.mx.aol.com[64.12.138.152], delay=1, 
>status=bounced (host mailin-04.mx.aol.com[64.12.138.152] said: 500 SYNTAX 
>ERROR, COMMAND UNRECOGNIZED)
>
>I've heard that this particular message is an obscured content-based
>rejection message.  Perhaps your message was discussing something they
>didn't like, or perhaps they've banned mail referencing some
>particular domain.
>
>did that message include reference to a web site via IP address
>instead of name?  they'll block those, too.
>
>My logs show message flowing just fine from Mailman to AOL at 9:24 am
>US Eastern Time, with the VERP'd return addresses.
>
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From andrew.b.watson at nasa.gov  Wed Oct 22 22:34:03 2003
From: andrew.b.watson at nasa.gov (Andrew Watson)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:34:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
Message-ID: <p06002006bbbc9365119e@[143.232.72.120]>

My ISP is running mailman 2.0.7
Due to spam, I recently changed my list options to:

	Restrict posting privilege to list members? ( 
member_posting_only ) - yes

Since the change, i have noticed no difference. I must still manually 
discard every spam posting.
Is this option non-functional in 2.0.7?

-andrew



From powerslave at cox.net  Thu Oct 23 00:20:56 2003
From: powerslave at cox.net (powerslave)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:20:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Good win32 mailing list manager server?
Message-ID: <000101c398ea$c679dbf0$1401a8c0@GLEN>

Does anyone know of a no-cost mailing list manager application that runs on
Win2k?  I saw the FAQ entry for mailman and have googled around for quite
awhile now, but can't seem to find any.  I would think this would be obvious
somewhere, but I can only find a handful of commercial implementations that
I've never heard of before.

Is anyone working on a win32 port of mailman, or has anyone put together a
howto to get it running under Win2K?  I'd set up a linux box but I think our
IT
people would freak out...

Regards,

Glen Starrett





From JKeene at scseng.com  Thu Oct 23 19:39:05 2003
From: JKeene at scseng.com (Jerry Keene)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:39:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running Mailman 2.1.3 and qmail-scanner
Message-ID: <000001c3998c$8ed6d160$1d01020a@JerryKeene>

Mailman works fine when qmail-scanner is deactivated and it's presently
working fine with "-with-mail-gid='mailman'".  
 
However when qmail-scanner is activated the qmail error logs give 
 
2003-10-21 20:15:07.797331500 delivery 214: deferral:
Group_mismatch_error.__Mailman_expected_the_ma
il/wrapper_script_to_be_executed_as_group_"mailman",_but/the_system's_ma
il_server_executed_the_mail_
script_as/group_"nofiles".__Try_tweaking_the_mail_server_to_run_the/scri
pt_as_group_"mailman",_or_re
-run_configure,_/providing_the_command_line_option_`--with-mail-gid=nofi
les'./
 
Now, I've tried compiling mailman with different "-with-mail-gid" values
including nofiles, qmail and mailman.  Regardless of the compilation 
values, however, the above error occurs when qmail-scanner is active. 
 
 Qmail-scanner seems to be executing the mailman wrapper as a different
user than the wrapper is executed without qmail-scanner running?
 
Does anyone have any suggestions for getting mailman to work under
qmail-scanner? 
 
Thanks.
 
Jerry Keene
SCS Engineers
Reston, Virginia
703-471-9257, ext. 244
Fax: 703-471-6676
jkeene at scseng.com
http://www.scsengineers.com
 


From webmaster_vmpc at hacienda.gov.bo  Thu Oct 23 20:12:23 2003
From: webmaster_vmpc at hacienda.gov.bo (Webmaster VMPC)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:12:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problemas en la instalacion del mailman 2.1
Message-ID: <000601c39991$351a0070$8d43a8c0@serverweb>

lograste instalar el mailman??, como lo hiciste es bajo unix o NT


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From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org  Fri Oct 24 18:38:01 2003
From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:38:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing "From" Field
Message-ID: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E7D2A@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org>

We have a mailing list called 'Workshop_Information'. Messages to our list
members always come from 'Workshop_Information-admin at domain.com'. Does
anyone know of a way I can change that alias so that all of the messages can
come from 'Workshop_Information at domain.com' ? Can I just alter the
/etc/aliases files? Is that all there is to it?

Staven Bruce

 "I don't care if Ned Flanders is the nicest guy in the world. He's a jerk -
end of story."




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 18:39:49 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:39:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <p06002006bbbc9365119e@[143.232.72.120]>
Message-ID: <AF2BD24C-0640-11D8-8FD0-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 09:34  pm, Andrew Watson wrote:

> My ISP is running mailman 2.0.7
> Due to spam, I recently changed my list options to:
>
> 	Restrict posting privilege to list members? ( member_posting_only ) - 
> yes
>
> Since the change, i have noticed no difference. I must still manually 
> discard every spam posting.
> Is this option non-functional in 2.0.7?
>

Upgrading to MM 2.1.3 will give you the ability to have non-members 
postings automatically discarded (or held or rejected or accepted).

> -andrew
>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 18:43:31 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:43:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Good win32 mailing list manager server?
In-Reply-To: <000101c398ea$c679dbf0$1401a8c0@GLEN>
Message-ID: <33A9A6F8-0641-11D8-8FD0-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 11:20  pm, powerslave wrote:

> Does anyone know of a no-cost mailing list manager application that 
> runs on
> Win2k?  I saw the FAQ entry for mailman and have googled around for 
> quite
> awhile now, but can't seem to find any.  I would think this would be 
> obvious
> somewhere, but I can only find a handful of commercial implementations 
> that
> I've never heard of before.
>
> Is anyone working on a win32 port of mailman, or has anyone put 
> together a
> howto to get it running under Win2K?

Take a look at:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.002.htp

> I'd set up a linux box but I think our
> IT
> people would freak out...
>
> Regards,
>
> Glen Starrett
>
>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 19:08:46 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:08:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing "From" Field
In-Reply-To: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E7D2A@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org>
Message-ID: <BA66B37C-0644-11D8-BB23-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 05:38  pm, Staven Bruce wrote:

> We have a mailing list called 'Workshop_Information'. Messages to our 
> list
> members always come from 'Workshop_Information-admin at domain.com'. Does
> anyone know of a way I can change that alias so that all of the 
> messages can
> come from 'Workshop_Information at domain.com' ?

Is this so that bounce messages for failed deliveries can be 
distributed to the rest of the list subscribers?

> Can I just alter the
> /etc/aliases files? Is that all there is to it?
>

/etc/aliases is about delivery not constructing outbound messages; 
changing it will not achieve what you think you want.

> Staven Bruce
>
>  "I don't care if Ned Flanders is the nicest guy in the world. He's a 
> jerk -
> end of story."

Hey! He's my hero.

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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Fri Oct 24 19:32:32 2003
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:32:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <AF2BD24C-0640-11D8-8FD0-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310241311290.16276-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Richard Barrett wrote:

>
> On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 09:34  pm, Andrew Watson wrote:
>
> > My ISP is running mailman 2.0.7
> > Due to spam, I recently changed my list options to:
> >
> > 	Restrict posting privilege to list members? ( member_posting_only ) -
> > yes
> >
> > Since the change, i have noticed no difference. I must still manually
> > discard every spam posting.
> > Is this option non-functional in 2.0.7?
> >
>
> Upgrading to MM 2.1.3 will give you the ability to have non-members
> postings automatically discarded (or held or rejected or accepted).
>

Alternatively, wipe out pending for select lists. Something like:

# useless cat award spews out only lists we wish to wipe
cat $PREFIX/clean-pending.dat | while read LISTNAME
do
  cp $PREFIX/request-template.db $PREFIX/lists/$LISTNAME/request.db
  rm $PREFIX/data/heldmsg-$LISTNAME-[+0-9]*.txt
done


 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies




From nate at plsweb.com  Fri Oct 24 19:34:50 2003
From: nate at plsweb.com (Nate Perry-Thistle)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:34:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL now bouncing ALL email from ALL mailman
	systems
In-Reply-To: <07fe01c39a1b$6f977fe0$0201a8c0@daddy>;
	from links@momsview.com on Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 06:41:52AM -0400
References: <07fe01c39a1b$6f977fe0$0201a8c0@daddy>
Message-ID: <20031024133450.B16207@plsweb.com>

I upgraded to 2.1.3 last week on an up2date RHL 7.2 running Sendmail,
have several active, personalized lists with AOL subscribers and do NOT
find delivery errors for AOL addresses in my logs.

n.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 06:41:52AM -0400, Links at Momsview.com wrote:
> I would interested in having people search their mail logs for the bounce message shown in my first message and finding out whether anyone else is seeing this message.
> 
> While I don't know if this makes any difference I have a 2.1.3 system just upgraded this week.

-- 

Nate Perry-Thistle
Director of Technology
Performance Learning Systems, Inc.    http://www.plsweb.com/



From tony-mm at arielbusiness.com  Fri Oct 24 19:57:18 2003
From: tony-mm at arielbusiness.com (tony-mm at arielbusiness.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:57:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgot admin password :(
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAiselvKEc+U2ecOfkIXOCW8KAAAAQAAAA6GtvB1QIuUqOGx1aehKD/AEAAAAA@arielbusiness.com>


Help!

I run a closed mailing list & haven't had 2 admin it for ages. I need to
now, but I forgot the password :((

Is there anything I can do to recover it?

Tnx in advance.

Tony





From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Oct 24 19:59:34 2003
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:59:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgot admin password :(
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAiselvKEc+U2ecOfkIXOCW8KAAAAQAAAA6GtvB1QIuUqOGx1aehKD/AEAAAAA@arielbusiness.com>
Message-ID: <3F996886.9080307@pcraft.com>

tony-mm at arielbusiness.com wrote:

>I run a closed mailing list & haven't had 2 admin it for ages. I need to
>now, but I forgot the password :((
>
>Is there anything I can do to recover it?
>  
>
    Use the sitewide admin password you set when you first installed 
Mailman.  And if you don't remember that one either, run 
$MAILMAN/bin/mmsitepass to reset it, then log in to the list with the 
new sitewide passwd, and change the list password.

-- 
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.







From mjn at umn.edu  Fri Oct 24 20:22:07 2003
From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:22:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgot admin password :(
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAiselvKEc+U2ecOfkIXOCW8KAAAAQAAAA6GtvB1QIuUqOGx1aehKD/AEAAAAA@arielbusiness.com>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAiselvKEc+U2ecOfkIXOCW8KAAAAQAAAA6GtvB1QIuUqOGx1aehKD/AEAAAAA@arielbusiness.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0310241321260.15581-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Oct 24, 2003, tony-mm at arielbusiness.com said:

> I run a closed mailing list & haven't had 2 admin it for ages. I need to
> now, but I forgot the password :((
>
> Is there anything I can do to recover it?

Reset it by using the site password to login to the list and then change
the password from the list admin interface.

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 whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as to extract,
 from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is identical
 with that of hunger."  -Antonin Artaud



From spam at einsnull.com  Sat Oct 25 00:36:18 2003
From: spam at einsnull.com (einsnull admin)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:37:18 +1
Subject: [Mailman-Users] user information in footer
Message-ID: <3F99A99E.4788.1A6D08A@localhost>


hi,
how could i put the user-email in the message footer as in the mailman-
users list (below)? is it also possible to include the user-password so 
that i can create an url for a two-clicks-unsubsrcibe?
thanks,
u.

This message was sent to: user at domain.com
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://...


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 fax +49-30-44650704, http://www.einsnull.com mailto:info at einsnull.com 




From spam at einsnull.com  Sat Oct 25 00:39:32 2003
From: spam at einsnull.com (einsnull admin)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:40:32 +1
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman unsubscribes list-admins
Message-ID: <3F99AA60.12372.1A9C64A@localhost>


hi, i do have 2 little problems, maybe someone could help me:

1. i often have error messages like this in my logs/smtp-failure:

Oct xxx 2003 (189) delivery to mail at virtual-domain.com failed with code 
553: 5.3.0 <mailman-bounces at virtual-domain.com>... User unknown

where mail at virtual-domain.com is the address of the administrator of that 
list. maybe this is the reason for the 2nd problem:

2. periodically, the administrators of some lists are unsubscribed 
automatically because of bounces. but the admin-addresses are reachable.

of course, the address mailman-bounces at virtual-domain.com does not exist 
as we installed only one mailman-list with the main domain of our server. 
there only exists an address like list-name-bounces at virtual-domain.com

does anyone has a hint?

thanks,
u.




From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org  Sat Oct 25 00:13:18 2003
From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:13:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing "From" Field
Message-ID: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E7D2D@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org>

Hi Richard,

There really is no technical aspect to this. The manager for this list
thinks the address "Workshop_Information-admin at domain.com"  looks to
confusing, and would prefer that 
address reads Workshop_Information at domain.com. 

I know each list needs at least three separate addresses and I'm pretty sure
I can't combine two of them together, however, I was thinking maybe there
was a way I could 'mask' the address of the sender with a phony address, but
I'm not sure how to go about doing that. Plus, this is something I would
have to do for 10 or more lists. Any ideas?

- Staven 

 "I don't care if Ned Flanders is the nicest guy in the world. He's a jerk -
end of story."

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] 
Sent:	Friday, October 24, 2003 10:09 AM
To:	Staven Bruce
Cc:	mailman-users at python.org
Subject:	Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing "From" Field


On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 05:38  pm, Staven Bruce wrote:

> We have a mailing list called 'Workshop_Information'. Messages to our 
> list
> members always come from 'Workshop_Information-admin at domain.com'. Does
> anyone know of a way I can change that alias so that all of the 
> messages can
> come from 'Workshop_Information at domain.com' ?

Is this so that bounce messages for failed deliveries can be 
distributed to the rest of the list subscribers?

> Can I just alter the
> /etc/aliases files? Is that all there is to it?
>

/etc/aliases is about delivery not constructing outbound messages; 
changing it will not achieve what you think you want.

> Staven Bruce
>
>  "I don't care if Ned Flanders is the nicest guy in the world. He's a 
> jerk -
> end of story."

Hey! He's my hero.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk



From List at fj45.com  Sat Oct 25 03:03:58 2003
From: List at fj45.com (Cole)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:03:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only issue under 2.0.6
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031024210244.0246b808@mail.fj45.com>

Until very recently I was running Lyris which I was fairly happy with. However edicts came down from above and I am now trying to fine tune the configuration of Mailman 2.0.6 which I inherited from someone else. In short I am very new to Mailman.

I have set the member_posting_only to "yes" which holds non-members posts for administrative review. However what I want to do is to configure Mailman to auto-reply to non-member posts with a message indicating that the message was rejected, why it was rejected, and whom to contact if they require further assistance. This is my last remaining configuration hurdle. 

I have already searched the web and read through all of the documentation which I have determine how to configure Mailman to auto-reply to non-member posts instead of holding them for administrative review.  However I can not find any information regarding how to make this configuration change. I would appreciate any assistance or tips this forum can offer to me.

Regards
-E 




From frank at apogeect.com  Sat Oct 25 03:43:54 2003
From: frank at apogeect.com (Frank Middleton)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:43:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding a second list admin
Message-ID: <3F99D55A.2080704@apogeect.com>

Using Mailman version 2.0.11 (Debian)

 From The Manual:

"When the list was created and you were assigned
ownership of the list you should have received an
automatically-generated message..."

but it doesn't say how to add to or replace the list owner. I
tried simply adding a new owner, but that didn't trigger
an email.

   > config_list -o followed by config_list -i didn't do it
either.

The archives appear to have nothing to say on this topic.

Posts to the list make it to the putative new owner, so
presumably it's not a system problem.

Any insights would be much appreciated!

Regards

-- Frank Middleton





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Oct 25 07:56:29 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:56:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only issue under 2.0.6
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031024210244.0246b808@mail.fj45.com>
Message-ID: <FA36CF52-06AF-11D8-BB23-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 02:03  am, Cole wrote:

> Until very recently I was running Lyris which I was fairly happy with. 
> However edicts came down from above and I am now trying to fine tune 
> the configuration of Mailman 2.0.6 which I inherited from someone 
> else. In short I am very new to Mailman.
>
> I have set the member_posting_only to "yes" which holds non-members 
> posts for administrative review. However what I want to do is to 
> configure Mailman to auto-reply to non-member posts with a message 
> indicating that the message was rejected, why it was rejected, and 
> whom to contact if they require further assistance. This is my last 
> remaining configuration hurdle.
>
> I have already searched the web and read through all of the 
> documentation which I have determine how to configure Mailman to 
> auto-reply to non-member posts instead of holding them for 
> administrative review.  However I can not find any information 
> regarding how to make this configuration change. I would appreciate 
> any assistance or tips this forum can offer to me.
>

In MM 2.0.6, you are running an obsolete version of MM. The capability 
you want is part of MM 2.1 (the latest stable incarnation being 2.1.3) 
which also has other benefits. Upgrading really is your best bet and, 
being Open Software, is entirely free.

> Regards
> -E
>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From mailman at darksleep.com  Sat Oct 25 09:58:16 2003
From: mailman at darksleep.com (Mailman Mailing List Manager)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:58:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Slow or Stalled
Message-ID: <20031025075816.GA29918@darksleep.com>

Hi folks,

     I'm running debian, postfix and mailman.  Mailman has the
standard settings it hand when I used apt-get to install it.  It
manages a half dozen lists with a few dozen people on it, which get a
few messages a month.

     For a while everything worked just fine.  Somewhere along the
line, messages started taking a few hours to be processed.  Now they
seem to get hung up permanently.

     After reading through the archives here, I poked around a bit in
/var/lib/mailman/logs.

     I checked /var/log/mail.log, and in there I see my message being
dispatched off to /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper

Oct 24 20:47:37 bar postfix/nqmgr[25231]: BF3493CD2C: from=<foo at bar.com>, size=938, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 24 20:47:40 bar postfix/local[8807]: BF3493CD2C: to=<foobar at bar.com>, relay=local, delay=3, status=sent ("|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post foobar")

     However, in /var/lib/mailman/logs, the only files that have been
touched anytime recently are smtp and subscribe:

Oct 11 06:41:03 2003 (5364) smtp for 8 recips, completed in 0.250 seconds
Oct 18 11:08:07 2003 (7251) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.068 seconds
Oct 24 20:54:27 2003 (8987) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.156 seconds

     I think the "1 recip" was mailman notifying the address that I
just subscribed to the list.  This leads me to suspect that mailman is
*sending* mail just fine, and *receiving* mail, but that the break is
somewhere in between.

Steven J. Owens
puff at darksleep.com / (412) 401-8060 cell / (412) 578-9817 house
| "I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong,
|  declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and
|  this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read.
|  Take it all with a grain of salt." 
| - me, at http://darksleep.com




From tony-mm at arielbusiness.com  Sat Oct 25 12:12:55 2003
From: tony-mm at arielbusiness.com (tony-mm at arielbusiness.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:12:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgot admin password :(
In-Reply-To: <3F996886.9080307@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAiselvKEc+U2ecOfkIXOCW8KAAAAQAAAAVVav0MrTtEKuFqa4J2iNQgEAAAAA@arielbusiness.com>

Thanks for suggestion.

I am on a shared server so I will contact the owners and see what they
can do....

Cheers,

Tony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ashley M. Kirchner [mailto:ashley at pcraft.com] 
> Sent: 24 October 2003 19:00
> To: tony-mm at arielbusiness.com
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Forgot admin password :(
> 
> 
> tony-mm at arielbusiness.com wrote:
> 
> >I run a closed mailing list & haven't had 2 admin it for 
> ages. I need 
> >to now, but I forgot the password :((
> >
> >Is there anything I can do to recover it?
> >  
> >
>     Use the sitewide admin password you set when you first installed 
> Mailman.  And if you don't remember that one either, run 
> $MAILMAN/bin/mmsitepass to reset it, then log in to the list with the 
> new sitewide passwd, and change the list password.
> 
> -- 
> W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   
> +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   
> 303.442.6410 x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     
> 800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 
> Arapahoe Ave. #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 
> 80303, U.S.A.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





From post349 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 25 12:37:12 2003
From: post349 at hotmail.com (post blaze)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 05:37:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest
Message-ID: <BAY8-F86kwqCgDRVe6F00005dc6@hotmail.com>

mailman-users at python.org

To subscribe via the World Wide Web, visit

My email is post349 at hotmail.com do I need to do anything else to 
subscribe????

Thanks,
Post

	http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
	mailman-users-request at python.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
	mailman-users-owner at python.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
specific
than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."

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From jaimelm at umich.edu  Sat Oct 25 17:15:25 2003
From: jaimelm at umich.edu (Jaime Magiera)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:15:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] every list cc's to site-wide list
Message-ID: <0F00B562-06FE-11D8-8889-000A95EB7F7A@umich.edu>

Hola,

I've searched the archives, but feel a bit overwhelmed. I've just 
started playing with mailman and have a misconfiguration somewhere. 
Every message to ANY list is cc'd to the site-wide list. Since the 
sender is not subscribed to the admin list, the message is put on hold 
and I'm notified.

I looked over /var/mailman/data/aliases and everything looks good. 
Where could the problem be?

(This is Mailman on OSX with Postfix)

Jaime




From jp at warpix.org  Sat Oct 25 20:41:38 2003
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:41:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error
Message-ID: <20031025194138.B60964@warpix.org>


Can someone help me out here?

I know this is an old version but there is a good reason for it.

Here is part of a Mailman error log:-


Oct 24 16:18:31 2003 admin(493):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(493): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
admin(493): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(493): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(493):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(493):     main()
admin(493):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 63, in main
admin(493):     FormatAdminOverview()
admin(493):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 201, in FormatAdminOverview
admin(493):     l = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
admin(493):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 73, in __init__
admin(493):     self.InitTempVars(name)
admin(493):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 266, in InitTempVars
admin(493):     withlogging = mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_DEBUGGING)
admin(493):   File "../Mailman/LockFile.py", line 180, in __init__
admin(493):     self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d' % (
admin(493): error: (14, 'Bad address')

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What is wrong here?


admin(493): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(493): sys.version    = 2.2.3 (#0, May 31 2003, 23:15:53) [EMX GCC 2.8.1]
admin(493): sys.executable = C:\USR\LOCAL\PYTHON223\PYTHON.EXE
admin(493): sys.prefix     = C:\USR\LOCAL\PYTHON223
admin(493): sys.exec_prefix= C:\USR\LOCAL\PYTHON223
admin(493): sys.path       = C:\USR\LOCAL\PYTHON223
admin(493): sys.platform   = os2emx
admin(493): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(493):     ENDLIBPATH:
admin(493):     COMSPEC: C:\OS2\CMD.EXE
admin(493):     PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman
admin(493):     DPATH: c:\usr\parmlib;C:\IBMLAN\NETPROG;C:\IBMLAN;C:\MUGLIB;C:\MPTN;C:\IBMCOM;C:\OS2;C:\OS2\SYSTEM;C:\OS2\MDOS\WI
admin(493):     SERVER_ADMIN: you at your.address
admin(493):     SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
admin(493):     ETC: C:\ETC
admin(493):     SERVER_SIGNATURE: <address>Apache/2.0.44 (OS/2) PHP/4.3.1 Server at 213.152.37.92 Port 80</address>




LockFile.py contains:-

        self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d' % (
            lockfile, socket.gethostname(), os.getpid())

How do I find the result of socket.gethostname() ?



-- 
John





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Oct 25 21:08:24 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Oct 2003 15:08:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error
In-Reply-To: <20031025194138.B60964@warpix.org>
References: <20031025194138.B60964@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <1067108904.17038.6.camel@Anncons4>

Version 2.0.13 is perfectly respectable.

Is the server admin address *really* set to "you at your.address"?
In anycase, you should be able to look in the qfiles and move the files
out of there and the list should start going again.  If there are a lot
of files, you might want to put some back after everything is running
and see if they go though.  You probably just have a bad message
(corrupt header) or a mis-config for your admin address.

Oh, and with that version, you'll also have to go into the lock files
and delete any of them that aren't in use.  The files have the name of
the process that is running as a part of their name, so a "ps ax" will
reveal whether the process is still running or not.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 14:41, John Poltorak wrote:
> Can someone help me out here?
> 
> I know this is an old version but there is a good reason for it.
> 
> Here is part of a Mailman error log:-
> 
> 
> Oct 24 16:18:31 2003 admin(493):
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> admin(493): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
> admin(493): [----- Traceback ------]
> admin(493): Traceback (most recent call last):
> admin(493):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
> admin(493):     main()
> admin(493):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 63, in main
> admin(493):     FormatAdminOverview()
> admin(493):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 201, in FormatAdminOverview
> admin(493):     l = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
> admin(493):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 73, in __init__
> admin(493):     self.InitTempVars(name)
> admin(493):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 266, in InitTempVars
> admin(493):     withlogging = mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_DEBUGGING)
> admin(493):   File "../Mailman/LockFile.py", line 180, in __init__
> admin(493):     self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d' % (
> admin(493): error: (14, 'Bad address')
> 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> What is wrong here?
> 
> 
> admin(493): [----- Python Information -----]
> admin(493): sys.version    = 2.2.3 (#0, May 31 2003, 23:15:53) [EMX GCC 2.8.1]
> admin(493): sys.executable = C:\USR\LOCAL\PYTHON223\PYTHON.EXE
> admin(493): sys.prefix     = C:\USR\LOCAL\PYTHON223
> admin(493): sys.exec_prefix= C:\USR\LOCAL\PYTHON223
> admin(493): sys.path       = C:\USR\LOCAL\PYTHON223
> admin(493): sys.platform   = os2emx
> admin(493): [----- Environment Variables -----]
> admin(493):     ENDLIBPATH:
> admin(493):     COMSPEC: C:\OS2\CMD.EXE
> admin(493):     PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman
> admin(493):     DPATH: c:\usr\parmlib;C:\IBMLAN\NETPROG;C:\IBMLAN;C:\MUGLIB;C:\MPTN;C:\IBMCOM;C:\OS2;C:\OS2\SYSTEM;C:\OS2\MDOS\WI
> admin(493):     SERVER_ADMIN: you at your.address
> admin(493):     SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
> admin(493):     ETC: C:\ETC
> admin(493):     SERVER_SIGNATURE: <address>Apache/2.0.44 (OS/2) PHP/4.3.1 Server at 213.152.37.92 Port 80</address>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> LockFile.py contains:-
> 
>         self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d' % (
>             lockfile, socket.gethostname(), os.getpid())
> 
> How do I find the result of socket.gethostname() ?
> 
> 




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Oct 25 21:30:24 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:30:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing "From" Field
In-Reply-To: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E7D2D@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org>
Message-ID: <AE19762C-0721-11D8-BB23-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

Staven

On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 11:13  pm, Staven Bruce wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> There really is no technical aspect to this. The manager for this list
> thinks the address "Workshop_Information-admin at domain.com"  looks to
> confusing, and would prefer that
> address reads Workshop_Information at domain.com.
>
> I know each list needs at least three separate addresses and I'm 
> pretty sure
> I can't combine two of them together, however, I was thinking maybe 
> there
> was a way I could 'mask' the address of the sender with a phony 
> address, but
> I'm not sure how to go about doing that. Plus, this is something I 
> would
> have to do for 10 or more lists. Any ideas?
>

There are two aspects regarding where a message is perceived as coming 
from: the From: header in the message and the FROM:<reverse-path> 
specified in the SMTP MAIL command used in sending a message. The 
<reverse-path> is also know as the envelope return path and is the 
address to which replies reporting delivery problems should be sent.

With most MUAs the users gets to see the From: header. The 
<reverse-path> is often available in a Return-path: header inserted 
into the message by the final MTA handing it before it becomes 
available to the MUA, but most users are unaware of it.

For MM 2.0.x the mail alias in the envelope return path is 
<listname>-admin; in MM 2.1.x it is <listname>-bounces, which I guess 
will really freak out your list admin.

As implied in my original response, you really do not want the envelope 
return path to use the <listname> alias because it risks any error 
responses to outgoing messages from the list coming back as posts to 
the list alias and being redistributed to the list subscribers and, in 
any event, prevents MM's automatic bounce handling functioning as 
intended.

Normally, the From: header of outgoing messages from MM is the same as 
the From: header of the message it received for distribution. This is 
unless a list has its anonymous_list attribute set (to hide the sender 
of the message), in which case MM 2.0.x and MM 2.1.x are slightly 
different. For anonymous lists, MM 2.0.x substitutes its 
<listname>-admin address in the From: header of the outgoing message. 
In contrast, MM 2.1.x substitutes its <listname> address in the From: 
header of the outgoing message.

What is not clear is how your list admin (or rather his list 
subscribers) are seeing messages as being "from" the <listanme>-admin 
address:

1. If this is because you are running MM 2.0.x and the list has its 
anonymous_list attribute set then you could consider hacking the code 
so that, like MM 2.1.x, the From: header is rewritten to the list's 
<listname> address in outgoing mail. By my reckoning, from looking at 
the source code of $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Cleanse.py in MM 2.0.13, 
you would need to change line 31 in the process() function from:

         msg['From'] = mlist.GetAdminEmail()

to read:

         msg['From'] = mlist.GetListEmail()

I think this should be safe enough to do but caveat emptor and take a 
backup before making any change. I no longer have a live MM 2.0.13 to 
work with so I cannot absolutely confirm this change will not have any 
unpleasant side effects.

2. What I suspect is the more likely reason for this issue being raised 
by the list admin relates to what certain MUAs, some versions of MS 
Outlook in particular, display in the "From" field of the GUI they 
present to their users. If that is the case, there is not much you can 
do. There is some discussion about this issue in the MM FAQ, see:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp

Maybe not a solution and apologies if I am telling you what you already 
know, but it's the best I can do.

Regards

Richard

> - Staven
>
>  "I don't care if Ned Flanders is the nicest guy in the world. He's a 
> jerk -
> end of story."
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk]
> Sent:	Friday, October 24, 2003 10:09 AM
> To:	Staven Bruce
> Cc:	mailman-users at python.org
> Subject:	Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing "From" Field
>
>
> On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 05:38  pm, Staven Bruce wrote:
>
>> We have a mailing list called 'Workshop_Information'. Messages to our
>> list
>> members always come from 'Workshop_Information-admin at domain.com'. Does
>> anyone know of a way I can change that alias so that all of the
>> messages can
>> come from 'Workshop_Information at domain.com' ?
>
> Is this so that bounce messages for failed deliveries can be
> distributed to the rest of the list subscribers?
>
>> Can I just alter the
>> /etc/aliases files? Is that all there is to it?
>>
>
> /etc/aliases is about delivery not constructing outbound messages;
> changing it will not achieve what you think you want.
>
>> Staven Bruce
>>
>>  "I don't care if Ned Flanders is the nicest guy in the world. He's a
>> jerk -
>> end of story."
>
> Hey! He's my hero.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk
>




From jp at warpix.org  Sat Oct 25 22:12:02 2003
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:12:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error
In-Reply-To: <1067108904.17038.6.camel@Anncons4>;
	from Jon Carnes on Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 03:08:24PM -0400
References: <20031025194138.B60964@warpix.org>
	<1067108904.17038.6.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <20031025211202.C60964@warpix.org>

On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 03:08:24PM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Version 2.0.13 is perfectly respectable.
> 
> Is the server admin address *really* set to "you at your.address"?

Not intentionally...

Where does this originate? And is that the cause of my problem?


> In anycase, you should be able to look in the qfiles and move the files
> out of there and the list should start going again.  

Actually, I have never had it working yet.

> If there are a lot
> of files, you might want to put some back after everything is running
> and see if they go though.  You probably just have a bad message
> (corrupt header) or a mis-config for your admin address.

Possibly so, but the only config file I am aware of is mm_cfg.py and there 
isn't much in it.

 
> Oh, and with that version, you'll also have to go into the lock files
> and delete any of them that aren't in use.  The files have the name of
> the process that is running as a part of their name, so a "ps ax" will
> reveal whether the process is still running or not.

Actually, I'm not using Unix, but I'm told this port does work.
 
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 

Cheers,

-- 
John





From jp at warpix.org  Sat Oct 25 22:22:57 2003
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:22:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error
In-Reply-To: <20031025211202.C60964@warpix.org>;
	from John Poltorak on Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 09:12:02PM +0100
References: <20031025194138.B60964@warpix.org>
	<1067108904.17038.6.camel@Anncons4>
	<20031025211202.C60964@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <20031025212257.D60964@warpix.org>

On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 09:12:02PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 03:08:24PM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > Version 2.0.13 is perfectly respectable.
> > 
> > Is the server admin address *really* set to "you at your.address"?
> 
> Not intentionally...
> 
> Where does this originate? 

It looks like the value is set up in Apache's httpd.conf. Does it have any 
relevance to Mailman?


-- 
John








From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun Oct 26 00:02:29 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:02:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error
In-Reply-To: <20031025194138.B60964@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <ECF85ABA-0736-11D8-BB23-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 07:41  pm, John Poltorak wrote:

>
> Can someone help me out here?
>
> I know this is an old version but there is a good reason for it.
>
> Here is part of a Mailman error log:-
>
>
> Oct 24 16:18:31 2003 admin(493):
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> admin(493): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
> admin(493): [----- Traceback ------]
> admin(493): Traceback (most recent call last):
> admin(493):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in  
> run_main
> admin(493):     main()
> admin(493):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 63, in main
> admin(493):     FormatAdminOverview()
> admin(493):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 201, in  
> FormatAdminOverview
> admin(493):     l = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
> admin(493):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 73, in __init__
> admin(493):     self.InitTempVars(name)
> admin(493):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 266, in InitTempVars
> admin(493):     withlogging = mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_DEBUGGING)
> admin(493):   File "../Mailman/LockFile.py", line 180, in __init__
> admin(493):     self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d' % (
> admin(493): error: (14, 'Bad address')
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> What is wrong here?
>
>
> admin(493): [----- Python Information -----]
> admin(493): sys.version    = 2.2.3 (#0, May 31 2003, 23:15:53) [EMX  
> GCC 2.8.1]
> admin(493): sys.executable = C:\USR\LOCAL\PYTHON223\PYTHON.EXE
> admin(493): sys.prefix     = C:\USR\LOCAL\PYTHON223
> admin(493): sys.exec_prefix= C:\USR\LOCAL\PYTHON223
> admin(493): sys.path       = C:\USR\LOCAL\PYTHON223
> admin(493): sys.platform   = os2emx
> admin(493): [----- Environment Variables -----]
> admin(493):     ENDLIBPATH:
> admin(493):     COMSPEC: C:\OS2\CMD.EXE
> admin(493):     PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman
> admin(493):     DPATH:  
> c:\usr\parmlib;C:\IBMLAN\NETPROG;C:\IBMLAN;C:\MUGLIB;C:\MPTN;C:\IBMCOM; 
> C:\OS2;C:\OS2\SYSTEM;C:\OS2\MDOS\WI
> admin(493):     SERVER_ADMIN: you at your.address
> admin(493):     SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
> admin(493):     ETC: C:\ETC
> admin(493):     SERVER_SIGNATURE: <address>Apache/2.0.44 (OS/2)  
> PHP/4.3.1 Server at 213.152.37.92 Port 80</address>
>
>
>
>
> LockFile.py contains:-
>
>         self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d' % (
>             lockfile, socket.gethostname(), os.getpid())
>
> How do I find the result of socket.gethostname() ?
>
>

socket is standard Python module with gethostname() one of the  
functions defined in it. See:

http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-socket.html#l2h-2416

For instance on my machine, called mailman, and as UID mailman, I can  
run Python from the command line as follows:

mailman at mailman:~> hostname
mailman
mailman at mailman:~> python
Python 2.2.2 (#3, Feb 11 2003, 16:57:53)
[GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 >>> import sys, os, socket
 >>> socket.gethostname()
'mailman'
 >>> os.getpid()
27450
 >>> sys.exit()
mailman at mailman:~>

The above is on Linux and I assume that it should work in some similar  
fashion on OS2. If the above barfs when you try it using Python from  
the command line then you probably do not have a Mailman problem but a  
Python port or installation problem.

>
> -- 
> John
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From ejray at raycomm.com  Sun Oct 26 02:43:45 2003
From: ejray at raycomm.com (Eric J. Ray)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:43:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error on adding/deleting lists
Message-ID: <3F9B18C1.2050205@raycomm.com>



Python 2.1.3
Using Mailman version: 2.1.3


When I add or delete lists I get strange errors. I'm pretty
new to Mailman, and could use some help in figuring out
if they're significant (not too, as the list gets created),
and how to fix them.

If I need to delete a list manually, do I just delete the
directory for it from the ~/lists directory? Is it
really that easy?

My error:
[mailman at www bin]$ ./newlist
Enter the name of the list: support-staff at bogus.example.com
Enter the email of the person running the list: ejray at example.com
Initial support-staff password:
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "./newlist", line 219, in ?
     main()
   File "./newlist", line 185, in main
     __import__(modname)
ImportError: No module named None
[mailman at www bin]$




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun Oct 26 06:48:22 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:48:22 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error on adding/deleting lists
In-Reply-To: <3F9B18C1.2050205@raycomm.com>
Message-ID: <022051D3-0778-11D8-BB23-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 01:43  am, Eric J. Ray wrote:

>
>
> Python 2.1.3
> Using Mailman version: 2.1.3
>
>
> When I add or delete lists I get strange errors. I'm pretty
> new to Mailman, and could use some help in figuring out
> if they're significant (not too, as the list gets created),
> and how to fix them.
>
> If I need to delete a list manually, do I just delete the
> directory for it from the ~/lists directory? Is it
> really that easy?
>

Better to use the script $prefix/bin/rmlist -a

> My error:
> [mailman at www bin]$ ./newlist
> Enter the name of the list: support-staff at bogus.example.com
> Enter the email of the person running the list: ejray at example.com
> Initial support-staff password:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./newlist", line 219, in ?
>     main()
>   File "./newlist", line 185, in main
>     __import__(modname)
> ImportError: No module named None
> [mailman at www bin]$
>

This looks as though, probably in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py unless you 
edited Defaults.py which you should not do, the following assignment is 
present:

MTA = 'None'

This should read as follows (note the lack of quote marks) because None 
is a reserved word with special significance in the Python language:

MTA = None

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From list at wolfix.com  Sun Oct 26 14:40:21 2003
From: list at wolfix.com (Gene Ballard)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:40:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - undeliverables
Message-ID: <PBEMKEODEJKEMPFKCLBFEEKOJLAB.list@wolfix.com>

Hi,

Been doing some searching on the net but with no luck... and before I go
to the effort of trying Mailman for the first time...

I'm trying to find out if Mailman can manage the undeliverables of my
newsletter list if I use a different program to send with. Or do I have
to use Mailman to send in order for Mailman to manage the
undeliverables?

Respectfully,

Gene





From ejray at raycomm.com  Sun Oct 26 14:50:04 2003
From: ejray at raycomm.com (Eric J. Ray)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 06:50:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error on adding/deleting lists
In-Reply-To: <022051D3-0778-11D8-BB23-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <022051D3-0778-11D8-BB23-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3F9BD10C.2070503@raycomm.com>



Richard Barrett wrote:
>> If I need to delete a list manually, do I just delete the
>> directory for it from the ~/lists directory? Is it
>> really that easy?
>>
> 
> Better to use the script $prefix/bin/rmlist -a

Good to know.


>> Initial support-staff password:
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "./newlist", line 219, in ?
>>     main()
>>   File "./newlist", line 185, in main
>>     __import__(modname)
>> ImportError: No module named None
>> [mailman at www bin]$
>>
> 
> This looks as though, probably in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py unless you 
> edited Defaults.py which you should not do, the following assignment is 
> present:
> 
> MTA = 'None'
> 
> This should read as follows (note the lack of quote marks) because None 
> is a reserved word with special significance in the Python language:

That was it--works just fine now. Thank you very much!





From cchen at randomwalk.com  Sun Oct 26 17:50:34 2003
From: cchen at randomwalk.com (Cheng-Jih Chen)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:50:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] POST variables not processed in the Mailman web
	forms
Message-ID: <016101c39be1$4638cba0$6401a8c0@lynch>

Hi, I've just upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1.3 and the web interfaces for Mailman don't appear to work.  The impression I get is that POST variables aren't being processed.  For example, when trying to subscribe to a list, I get the message:

  You must supply a valid email address

after I submit.  On the admin pages, hitting submit appears to do nothing.

There are no error messages in the /var/log/mailman files.  I've checked the permissions in /var/mailman using check_perms.  I've also verified that the browser is submitting the POST variables by looking at tcpdump output.

The system is a RedHat 9 box, running Python 2.2.2 and Apache 2.0.40-21.5, both of which are basically the RedHat packages.

Any ideas where to look next?  Thanks.



From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Sun Oct 26 17:55:33 2003
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:55:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] POST variables not processed in the Mailman web
	forms
In-Reply-To: <016101c39be1$4638cba0$6401a8c0@lynch>
References: <016101c39be1$4638cba0$6401a8c0@lynch>
Message-ID: <37029576-07D5-11D8-A9C5-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>

On Oct 26, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Cheng-Jih Chen wrote:
> Hi, I've just upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1.3 and the web interfaces for 
> Mailman don't appear to work.  The impression I get is that POST 
> variables aren't being processed.  For example, when trying to 
> subscribe to a list, I get the message:
>

You must clear all 2.0.x cookies from your browser before it will 
accept 2.1.x cookies.

DP




From cchen at randomwalk.com  Sun Oct 26 18:08:41 2003
From: cchen at randomwalk.com (cchen at randomwalk.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:08:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] POST variables not processed in the Mailman 
	web forms
In-Reply-To: <37029576-07D5-11D8-A9C5-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
References: <016101c39be1$4638cba0$6401a8c0@lynch>
	<37029576-07D5-11D8-A9C5-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <1679.66.108.29.127.1067188121.squirrel@mail.randomwalk.com>

> On Oct 26, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Cheng-Jih Chen wrote:
>> Hi, I've just upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1.3 and the web interfaces for
>> Mailman don't appear to work.  The impression I get is that POST
>> variables aren't being processed.  For example, when trying to
>> subscribe to a list, I get the message:
>>
>
> You must clear all 2.0.x cookies from your browser before it will
> accept 2.1.x cookies.

Did more research.  It's apparently not a Mailman issue, but an Apache
mod_rewrite issue.  I'm testing the system from outside my company's local
network, and we have Apache set up to do a mod_rewrite to send a user over
to https instead of http.  The Mailman FORM ACTION points to http, so I'm
losing the POST variables during the rewrite.





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Oct 26 19:20:57 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 26 Oct 2003 13:20:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] POST variables not processed in the
	Mailman	web forms
In-Reply-To: <1679.66.108.29.127.1067188121.squirrel@mail.randomwalk.com>
References: <016101c39be1$4638cba0$6401a8c0@lynch>
	<37029576-07D5-11D8-A9C5-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
	<1679.66.108.29.127.1067188121.squirrel@mail.randomwalk.com>
Message-ID: <1067192457.5302.4.camel@Anncons4.anncons.org>

On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 12:08, cchen at randomwalk.com wrote:
> > On Oct 26, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Cheng-Jih Chen wrote:
> >> Hi, I've just upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1.3 and the web interfaces for
> >> Mailman don't appear to work.  The impression I get is that POST
> >> variables aren't being processed.  For example, when trying to
> >> subscribe to a list, I get the message:
> >>
> >
> > You must clear all 2.0.x cookies from your browser before it will
> > accept 2.1.x cookies.
> 
> Did more research.  It's apparently not a Mailman issue, but an Apache
> mod_rewrite issue.  I'm testing the system from outside my company's local
> network, and we have Apache set up to do a mod_rewrite to send a user over
> to https instead of http.  The Mailman FORM ACTION points to http, so I'm
> losing the POST variables during the rewrite.
> 
Yep, this is well discussed in the Archives and the work around is to
*setup* mailman so that it uses https instead of http.  There is a minor
twist to doing so but basically you edit ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and
use "https" in the default settings for URL's. This may or may not be in
the FAQ, but is certainly beaten to death in the archives.

Of course you will need to use "with_list" to mod the URL's that are in
your already established lists.

Note to Barry: I really hate that change in this version!

Good luck - Jon Carnes




From bastiaan-postfix-users at welmers.net  Mon Oct 27 00:20:06 2003
From: bastiaan-postfix-users at welmers.net (Bastiaan Welmers)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:20:06 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large amount of memory for mailmanctl
Message-ID: <20031026230221.M82735@welmers.net>

Hi,

I recently installed Mailman 2.1.3 on a mini server.
I'm really happy with my Mailman installation because it's powerfull and easy
to maintain.
But when I watched the memory usage of the mailmanctl resistant
program I was about to get an attack ;-).

Why does a simple program like this require 30 megs of core? (there where 7
python2 processes open totally using 30MB) The only thing mailman has to do
here is processing a few mails a day on everage. 
I spend a lot of time to keep the memory usage as low as possible
(light-weight OS, only necesary processes) so I new daemon using 30MB of core
all the time for only processing a few mails is not my target.

Is there a way to do it without this mailmanctl daemon? In fact Mailman only
needs to be started when the bin/mailman mailwrapper is activated when it
recieves an email, or when a CGI program from www is being activated.
What is the exact task of mailmanctl?

Thanks,

Bastiaan Welmers



From WSpivak at sbanetweb.com  Sun Oct 26 23:02:01 2003
From: WSpivak at sbanetweb.com (Wayne Spivak)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:02:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing the Public Pages
In-Reply-To: <016101c39be1$4638cba0$6401a8c0@lynch>
Message-ID: <064701c39c0c$c8fdc240$1900a8c0@PRESIDENT>

I need to edit the General Public Page so that you see this:


Archives....

They are password protected.  To find out your password:

<MM form>
[enter email address]
[click and send password to address]
<MM form end>

If you know your password, click here (and MM asks email address
password).

How would I do this???

Thanks!!!!!




From mundaun at gmx.ch  Mon Oct 27 01:16:53 2003
From: mundaun at gmx.ch (Michael Stucki)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:16:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restrict posting for members only while using NNTP
	gateway
Message-ID: <bnho5l$133$1@sea.gmane.org>

I am running a mailman installation that uses NNTP synchronisation.
Due to an increasing amount of spam mails, I would like to restrict posting
to the lists for members only.

My problem is that this won't work well since I also use NNTP
synchronisation. Most users who post there are not subscribed to the
according lists, so their postings would not be accepted anymore.

In my list setup, I can specify a list of non-member addresses whose
postings were automatically accepted. What I need is something very
similar, but instead of listing addresses, I'd like to check for a specific
header information (e.g. Received: from <nntp-server> ...)

Anybody else who ever had this problem? How can I solve it?

Thanks for your comments.
- michael




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Oct 27 06:37:13 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 27 Oct 2003 00:37:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restrict posting for members only while using
	NNTP gateway
In-Reply-To: <bnho5l$133$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <bnho5l$133$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1067233032.7186.4.camel@Anncons4.anncons.org>

On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 19:16, Michael Stucki wrote:
> I am running a mailman installation that uses NNTP synchronisation.
> Due to an increasing amount of spam mails, I would like to restrict posting
> to the lists for members only.
> 
> My problem is that this won't work well since I also use NNTP
> synchronisation. Most users who post there are not subscribed to the
> according lists, so their postings would not be accepted anymore.
> 
> In my list setup, I can specify a list of non-member addresses whose
> postings were automatically accepted. What I need is something very
> similar, but instead of listing addresses, I'd like to check for a specific
> header information (e.g. Received: from <nntp-server> ...)
> 
> Anybody else who ever had this problem? How can I solve it?
> 
> Thanks for your comments.
> - michael
> 
I solved this back in the 2.0.x days by doing the integration externally
(at least the feeding from the Newsgroup back into the Mailing list).  I
used an external gateway to feed the news into the Mailing list and the
gateway app posted as a specific user.

Worked great and was very easy to setup.

Originally I wrote my own gateway, but now their are lots of apps that
should do the job.

Another option is to rewrite Mailman to extend the regular expression
search so that it looks at one of the headers (if that header exists). 
That would probably take all of 4 lines of code.

Good luck - Jon Carnes




From vizisz at freemail.hu  Mon Oct 27 10:48:54 2003
From: vizisz at freemail.hu (Szilard Vizi)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:48:54 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing the Public Pages
In-Reply-To: <064701c39c0c$c8fdc240$1900a8c0@PRESIDENT>
References: <016101c39be1$4638cba0$6401a8c0@lynch>
	<064701c39c0c$c8fdc240$1900a8c0@PRESIDENT>
Message-ID: <1495.193.6.37.7.1067248134.squirrel@kabinet.uranus.vein.hu>

Hello,

> If you know your password, click here (and MM asks email address
> password).
> How would I do this???
Maybe this helps you:

<html>
.....
To find out your password <a
href="mailto:your-list-request at somewhe.re?subject=password">Click
here</a>!
...

In this case the user's MUA will pop up and send the letter to the admin
address of the list.


Szilard Vizi
-------------
mailto:vizisz at freemail.hu



From i.bapty at student.umist.ac.uk  Mon Oct 27 13:00:10 2003
From: i.bapty at student.umist.ac.uk (Iain Bapty)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:00:10 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Requirements for a new archiver
Message-ID: <3F9D08CA.2020003@student.umist.ac.uk>

Hi,

For those of you that don't know I am currently working on a archive 
component for Mailman as part of my degree. The interface to the archive 
shall be based on the ideas in Ka-Ping Yee's paper on his Zest 
prototype. Over the past two weeks I have been looking at requirements 
and have the following. These are in no specific order. Due to the time 
constraints on my project (I am to only spend 200 hours in total on it, 
including writing reports, presentations etc) there is a limit to the 
amount I can do.

Functional Requirements
The archive component should

   1. store email discussions.
   2. integrate with Mailman.
   3. provide a web-based interface to those email-discussions.
   4. provide an interface that threads discussions by their content. (ZEST)
   5. provide an interface that threads discussions by e-mail replies.
   6. allow for full-text searching of the archives.
   7. allow for filtering by date, author, and/or topic.
   8. be MIME aware.
   9. allow archives to be set as public or private.
  10. allow posts to be added, deleted, and modified through web interface.
  11. allow archives to be locked to prevent modification.
  12. allow postings to be emailed.
  13. allow postings to be referenced externally.

 Non-Functional Requirements

   1. Maintainable
   2. Secure
   3. Scalable

The minimum I am planning on doing is the first 5 functional 
requirements restricted by the first 2 non-functional requirements.

There are a two reasons I am posting this.

Is there anything obvious that I have missed?

Which of the functional requirements, 6 to 13, do you feel are the most 
important? (As part of my report I have to analyse the requirements 
captured)

Any feedback is very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Iain






From wouter at addrenaline.com  Mon Oct 27 13:13:01 2003
From: wouter at addrenaline.com (Wouter)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:13:01 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman dont deliver
Message-ID: <3476.81.68.142.33.1067256781.squirrel@webmail.addrenaline.com>

Hi,

I have created a new list. And mailman says that he sends me a wecome`s
mail. I dont recieve i welcomes mail, thats not the point.

But when i send domething to the list i see the follow in
/bar/log/exim/main.log.

2003-10-27 12:47:59 1AE5qp-0007cc-Ex <= laptop at addrenaline.com
H=smtp6.wanadoo.nl [194.134.35.177] P=esmtp S=1495
id=000801c39c80$0f38bf30$a4bf360a at laptop
2003-10-27 12:48:05 1AE5qu-0007cl-Rn <= laptop at addrenaline.com U=amavis
P=scanned-ok S=1693 id=000801c39c80$0f38bf30$a4bf360a at laptop
2003-10-27 12:48:05 1AE5qp-0007cc-Ex => backpack-reizen
<backpack-reizen at backpack.nu> R=amavis_router T=amavis
2003-10-27 12:48:05 1AE5qp-0007cc-Ex Completed
2003-10-27 12:48:06 1AE5qu-0007cl-Rn => |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
post backpack-reizen <backpack-reizen at backpack.nu> R=system_aliases
T=address_pipe
2003-10-27 12:48:06 1AE5qu-0007cl-Rn Completed

And where mailman then drops the mail i dont know.

I dont revieve a mail back whit a error or something.

Can someone help me whit this problem ?

Greets Wouter



From mundaun at gmx.ch  Mon Oct 27 13:17:45 2003
From: mundaun at gmx.ch (Michael Stucki)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:17:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Restrict posting for members only while using
	NNTP gateway
References: <bnho5l$133$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<1067233032.7186.4.camel@Anncons4.anncons.org>
Message-ID: <bnj2ef$v9o$1@sea.gmane.org>

Dear Jon,

thanks for your answer.

> Another option is to rewrite Mailman to extend the regular expression
> search so that it looks at one of the headers (if that header exists).
> That would probably take all of 4 lines of code.

This is the solution I was thinking of! Unfortunately, I don't speak Python
and I don't know where to change this. Assuming it's really just these 4
lines... is there anybody willing to help me?

Thank you very much.

Best regards
- michael




From mcp28352 at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 13:23:04 2003
From: mcp28352 at bellsouth.net (mcp6453)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:23:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Membership Page
Message-ID: <3F9D0E28.2284@bellsouth.net>

Is there a way to configure MM to show all of the subscribers in a
single list, as it used to do? I think we're using 2.1.3.



From javier.romero at cedex.es  Mon Oct 27 13:41:55 2003
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:41:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sharing /locks /lists /archives for two mailmans
 running in diferent computers to prevent host down
Message-ID: <3F9D1293.6040806@cedex.es>

Ok! jonh, when i try to start second mailmanctl i got ab error, but i 
got to start second mailmanctl with -s flag.... but i don't know wath 
i'm doing,....
so...  Somebody knows if this is good?? 

bash-2.03# ./mailmanctl start
The master qrunner lock could not be acquired, because it appears as if some
process on some other host may have acquired it.  We can't test for stale
locks across host boundaries, so you'll have to do this manually.  Or, 
if you
know the lock is stale, re-run mailmanctl with the -s flag.

Lock file: /usr/local/mailman/locks/master-qrunner
Lock host: burlador

Exiting.
bash-2.03# ./mailmanctl -s start
Starting Mailman's master qrunner.

-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX






From WSpivak at sbanetweb.com  Mon Oct 27 13:45:45 2003
From: WSpivak at sbanetweb.com (Wayne Spivak)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:45:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing the Public Pages
In-Reply-To: <1495.193.6.37.7.1067248134.squirrel@kabinet.uranus.vein.hu>
Message-ID: <06a401c39c88$3dedb620$1900a8c0@PRESIDENT>

Thank you, but with 20,000 members on the list, I think this is an
overburden...

-----Original Message-----
From: Szilard Vizi [mailto:vizisz at freemail.hu] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:49 AM
To: Wayne Spivak
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Editing the Public Pages


Hello,

> If you know your password, click here (and MM asks email address 
> password). How would I do this???
Maybe this helps you:

<html>
.....
To find out your password <a
href="mailto:your-list-request at somewhe.re?subject=password">Click
here</a>!
...

In this case the user's MUA will pop up and send the letter to the admin
address of the list.


Szilard Vizi
-------------
mailto:vizisz at freemail.hu




From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Oct 27 13:54:28 2003
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:54:28 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Membership Page
In-Reply-To: <3F9D0E28.2284@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <B32426A5-087C-11D8-BB23-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>


On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 12:23  pm, mcp6453 wrote:

> Is there a way to configure MM to show all of the subscribers in a
> single list, as it used to do? I think we're using 2.1.3.
>

In MM 2.1.x, this is controlled by the per-list attribute 
admin_member_chunksize which is set the default value of 
DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE when the list is created. As installed 
this has the value of 30.

If the number of members exceeds admin_member_chunksize then the 
membership is paginated alphabetically otherwise it is displayed on a 
single page.

If you set DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE to a different value this 
will only affect new lists.

To change things for an existing list you can use the 
$prefix/bin/withlist script from the command line. For instance, see 
the following terminal transcript:

mailman at mailman:/mailman/run> bin/withlist -i -l rbtest
Loading list rbtest (locked)
The variable `m' is the rbtest MailList instance
 >>> m.admin_member_chunksize = 60
 >>> m.Save()
 >>>
Unlocking (but not saving) list: rbtest
Finalizing
mailman at mailman:/mailman/run>

But, I would be careful about making the new value too large.




From mcp28352 at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 27 13:59:08 2003
From: mcp28352 at bellsouth.net (mcp6453)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:59:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Membership Page
References: <B32426A5-087C-11D8-BB23-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3F9D169C.60EC@bellsouth.net>

Richard Barrett wrote:
> 
> On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 12:23  pm, mcp6453 wrote:
> 
> > Is there a way to configure MM to show all of the subscribers in a
> > single list, as it used to do? I think we're using 2.1.3.
> >
> 
> In MM 2.1.x, this is controlled by the per-list attribute
> admin_member_chunksize which is set the default value of
> DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE when the list is created. As installed
> this has the value of 30.
> 
> If the number of members exceeds admin_member_chunksize then the
> membership is paginated alphabetically otherwise it is displayed on a
> single page.
> 
> If you set DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE to a different value this
> will only affect new lists.
> 
> To change things for an existing list you can use the
> $prefix/bin/withlist script from the command line. For instance, see
> the following terminal transcript:
> 
> mailman at mailman:/mailman/run> bin/withlist -i -l rbtest
> Loading list rbtest (locked)
> The variable `m' is the rbtest MailList instance
>  >>> m.admin_member_chunksize = 60
>  >>> m.Save()
>  >>>
> Unlocking (but not saving) list: rbtest
> Finalizing
> mailman at mailman:/mailman/run>
> 
> But, I would be careful about making the new value too large.


Thanks. I don't have root access, so I guess I'm hosed.



From WSpivak at sbanetweb.com  Mon Oct 27 14:04:29 2003
From: WSpivak at sbanetweb.com (Wayne Spivak)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:04:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] V2.1.3 & Passwords
In-Reply-To: <3F9D169C.60EC@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <070501c39c8a$db3242f0$1900a8c0@PRESIDENT>

Having problems with list admin and moderator passwords.

They don't work.

Any ideas here???




From doug at psy.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 27 14:29:50 2003
From: doug at psy.uwa.edu.au (Doug Robb)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:29:50 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Requirements for a new archiver
In-Reply-To: <3F9D08CA.2020003@student.umist.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0310272125220.31364-100000@freud.psy.uwa.edu.au>


On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Iain Bapty wrote:

> Functional Requirements
> The archive component should
> 
>    1. store email discussions.
>    2. integrate with Mailman.
>    3. provide a web-based interface to those email-discussions.
>    4. provide an interface that threads discussions by their content. (ZEST)
>    5. provide an interface that threads discussions by e-mail replies.
>    6. allow for full-text searching of the archives.
>    7. allow for filtering by date, author, and/or topic.
>    8. be MIME aware.
>    9. allow archives to be set as public or private.
>   10. allow posts to be added, deleted, and modified through web interface.
>   11. allow archives to be locked to prevent modification.
>   12. allow postings to be emailed.
>   13. allow postings to be referenced externally.
> 
> Which of the functional requirements, 6 to 13, do you feel are the most 


6 7 10 9 in that order. Also be nice to have the format of the
archive to be easily customised using templates (which
would include style sheet/sheets). This way a list owner
could easily make the archives look good - which can't be said
of a lot of archiving systems around now. 

good luck with it,
doug






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Oct 27 15:17:19 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 27 Oct 2003 09:17:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Requirements for a new archiver
In-Reply-To: <3F9D08CA.2020003@student.umist.ac.uk>
References: <3F9D08CA.2020003@student.umist.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1067264239.3334.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 07:00, Iain Bapty wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> For those of you that don't know I am currently working on a archive 
> component for Mailman as part of my degree. The interface to the archive 
> shall be based on the ideas in Ka-Ping Yee's paper on his Zest 
> prototype. Over the past two weeks I have been looking at requirements 
> and have the following. These are in no specific order. Due to the time 
> constraints on my project (I am to only spend 200 hours in total on it, 
> including writing reports, presentations etc) there is a limit to the 
> amount I can do.
> 
> Functional Requirements
> The archive component should
> 
>    1. store email discussions.
>    2. integrate with Mailman.
>    3. provide a web-based interface to those email-discussions.
>    4. provide an interface that threads discussions by their content. (ZEST)
>    5. provide an interface that threads discussions by e-mail replies.
>    6. allow for full-text searching of the archives.
>    7. allow for filtering by date, author, and/or topic.
>    8. be MIME aware.
>    9. allow archives to be set as public or private.
>   10. allow posts to be added, deleted, and modified through web interface.
>   11. allow archives to be locked to prevent modification.
>   12. allow postings to be emailed.
>   13. allow postings to be referenced externally.
> 
>  Non-Functional Requirements
> 
>    1. Maintainable
>    2. Secure
>    3. Scalable
> 
> The minimum I am planning on doing is the first 5 functional 
> requirements restricted by the first 2 non-functional requirements.
> 
> There are a two reasons I am posting this.
> 
> Is there anything obvious that I have missed?
> 
> Which of the functional requirements, 6 to 13, do you feel are the most 
> important? (As part of my report I have to analyse the requirements 
> captured)
> 
> Any feedback is very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
> 
> Iain
> 
Iain, Fantastic project!  Good luck with it.

Here is the order for the last criteria that I like:

   6. allow for full-text searching of the archives.
   9. allow archives to be set as public or private.
  13. allow postings to be referenced externally.
   7. allow for filtering by date, author, and/or topic.
   8. be MIME aware.
  11. allow archives to be locked to prevent modification.
  10. allow posts to be added, deleted, and modified through web interface.
  12. allow postings to be emailed.

Take care, and thanks!

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Oct 27 15:20:48 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 27 Oct 2003 09:20:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman dont deliver
In-Reply-To: <3476.81.68.142.33.1067256781.squirrel@webmail.addrenaline.com>
References: <3476.81.68.142.33.1067256781.squirrel@webmail.addrenaline.com>
Message-ID: <1067264447.3334.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hmmm.... Turn on Mailmanctl?

Try looking at FAQ 3.1.4 and see if that helps.
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 07:13, Wouter wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have created a new list. And mailman says that he sends me a wecome`s
> mail. I dont recieve i welcomes mail, thats not the point.
> 
> But when i send domething to the list i see the follow in
> /bar/log/exim/main.log.
> 
> 2003-10-27 12:47:59 1AE5qp-0007cc-Ex <= laptop at addrenaline.com
> H=smtp6.wanadoo.nl [194.134.35.177] P=esmtp S=1495
> id=000801c39c80$0f38bf30$a4bf360a at laptop
> 2003-10-27 12:48:05 1AE5qu-0007cl-Rn <= laptop at addrenaline.com U=amavis
> P=scanned-ok S=1693 id=000801c39c80$0f38bf30$a4bf360a at laptop
> 2003-10-27 12:48:05 1AE5qp-0007cc-Ex => backpack-reizen
> <backpack-reizen at backpack.nu> R=amavis_router T=amavis
> 2003-10-27 12:48:05 1AE5qp-0007cc-Ex Completed
> 2003-10-27 12:48:06 1AE5qu-0007cl-Rn => |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
> post backpack-reizen <backpack-reizen at backpack.nu> R=system_aliases
> T=address_pipe
> 2003-10-27 12:48:06 1AE5qu-0007cl-Rn Completed
> 
> And where mailman then drops the mail i dont know.
> 
> I dont revieve a mail back whit a error or something.
> 
> Can someone help me whit this problem ?
> 
> Greets Wouter





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Oct 27 15:30:22 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 27 Oct 2003 09:30:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sharing /locks /lists /archives for two
	mailmans running in diferent computers to prevent host down
In-Reply-To: <3F9D1293.6040806@cedex.es>
References: <3F9D1293.6040806@cedex.es>
Message-ID: <1067265021.3334.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Doh!

Yep.  Sharing the Lock file directory would work fine for Mailman
version 2.0.13, but not for 2.1.x... Sorry for the bad advice.

Your best bet for 2.1.x is to run the servers with local list files and
let a background process keep the lists up-to-date or synchronized. You
could simply have all mail for <listname-request> forwarded to a primary
server, and have the web access be to that primary server as well.  That
primary server would then run a process that propagated any list changes
to the slave servers.

Good luck - and sorry for the wrong turn.

Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 07:41, javier wrote:
> Ok! jonh, when i try to start second mailmanctl i got ab error, but i 
> got to start second mailmanctl with -s flag.... but i don't know wath 
> i'm doing,....
> so...  Somebody knows if this is good?? 
> 
> bash-2.03# ./mailmanctl start
> The master qrunner lock could not be acquired, because it appears as if some
> process on some other host may have acquired it.  We can't test for stale
> locks across host boundaries, so you'll have to do this manually.  Or, 
> if you
> know the lock is stale, re-run mailmanctl with the -s flag.
> 
> Lock file: /usr/local/mailman/locks/master-qrunner
> Lock host: burlador
> 
> Exiting.
> bash-2.03# ./mailmanctl -s start
> Starting Mailman's master qrunner.




From skip at pobox.com  Mon Oct 27 18:35:54 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:35:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enquiry
Message-ID: <16285.22394.821557.97041@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    johnson> Could you please send me some detail whether the Mailman
    johnson> software supports windows operating system? 

The 2.1 README indicates it won't run with Windows, though it appears that
if you are willing to jump through the proper hoops it may work on Win2k.
Check the FAQ:

    http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.002.htp

Note that q&a was last updated over a year ago.

YMMV.

-- 
Skip Montanaro
Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/
          http://www.mojam.com/
Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/



From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Mon Oct 27 18:37:45 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:37:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding a second list admin
In-Reply-To: <3F99D55A.2080704@apogeect.com>
References: <3F99D55A.2080704@apogeect.com>
Message-ID: <3F9D57E9.2040009@mitre.org>

Frank,

Are you having a problem? 

You quoted text that says when a list is created it send a message to 
the list owner, so the list owner knows the list was created and can 
start working on it.

Then you say you added another list owner but got no message.  That 
sounds exactly correct - no new list was created.

Hope this helps.

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own







From abutler at arielbusiness.com  Fri Oct 24 19:46:53 2003
From: abutler at arielbusiness.com (Tony Butler)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:46:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgot admin password :(
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0310241311290.16276-100000@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAiselvKEc+U2ecOfkIXOCW8KAAAAQAAAA70tit2qbpU+P5XcALGJVqgEAAAAA@arielbusiness.com>

Help!

I run a closed mailing list & haven't had 2 admin it for ages.
I need to now, but I forgot the password :((

Is there anything I can do to recover it?

Tnx in advance.





From rafael at macmagazine.com.br  Sat Oct 25 11:00:08 2003
From: rafael at macmagazine.com.br (Rafael Fischmann)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:00:08 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming and Moving List to a different Sub-Domain
Message-ID: <A20B439C-06C9-11D8-A78C-003065761F3A@macmagazine.com.br>

Dear Mailman Staff,

First of all, sorry for bothering you with this support message, but I 
need help with two basic things in Mailman and I don't know where is 
the best place to look for it. If you can help me I'd be glad for it, 
otherwise I'd love if you could direct me for the best place to get 
these information.

I have several lists in my server <http://macmagazine.com.br> and, 
before the number of them and the number of members inside them gets to 
big, I want to create a pattern for the lists' names and locations.

I'll take one of the lists, as you can see in 
<http://macmagazine.com.br/mailman/listinfo>, as an example for what I 
want to do. With the instructions handy I'll be able to apply that in 
all the others.

FinalCut-BR is at <finalcutbr at macmagazine.com.br>. First of all, I need 
to rename the list to simply <finalcut at macmagazine.com.br> or even 
<finalcutpro at macmagazine.com.br> which will be better for us. Besides 
that, I want to move the list to the sub-domain "listas," making it go 
to <finalcutpro at listas.macmagazine.com.br>.

How can that be made? We're using Mailman 2.1.2 in cPanel 8.5.3 - 
STABLE 3.

Thanks and regards,
-Rafael




From jkok at in-corp.com  Sat Oct 25 11:18:48 2003
From: jkok at in-corp.com (Johan Kok)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:18:48 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maillist create error
Message-ID: <20031025091848.13D4FE6A96@in-corp.com>

Could anybody help with the following error when I try to create a mailling list. THe implication is that the mailling list itself has been created within mailman but I presume that the Postfix is not configured for such

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in _update_maps
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)



Python information:

Variable	Value
sys.version	2.2.2 (#1, Mar 17 2003, 15:17:58) [GCC 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)]
sys.executable	/usr/bin/python
sys.prefix	/usr
sys.exec_prefix	/usr
sys.path	/usr
sys.platform	linux2

Environment variables:

Variable	Value
HTTP_ACCEPT 	text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1
CONTENT_TYPE 	application/x-www-form-urlencoded
HTTP_REFERER 	http://www.in-corp.com/mailman/create
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache/1.3.27 (Linux/SuSE) ApacheJServ/1.1.2 mod_webapp/1.2.0-dev mod_python/2.7.8 Python/2.2.2 PHP/4.3.1
PYTHONPATH 	/usr/lib/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/create
SERVER_ADMIN 	root at in-corp.com
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/create
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	
REQUEST_METHOD 	POST
HTTP_HOST 	www.in-corp.com
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 	300
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING 	
REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/create
CONTENT_LENGTH 	141
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 	ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1
HTTP_CONNECTION 	keep-alive
SERVER_NAME 	in-corp.com
REMOTE_PORT 	1782
REMOTE_ADDR 	165.165.111.34
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us,en;q=0.5
UNIQUE_ID 	P5oi7qn at upwAADyPQsE
SERVER_PORT 	80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1
REMOTE_HOST 	tbnb-111-34.telkomadsl.co.za
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip,deflate
SERVER_ADDR 	165.165.111.34
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/usr/local/httpd/htdocs

From fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org  Sun Oct 26 23:34:53 2003
From: fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org (Fuzzy)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:34:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@pooh> /usr/local/bin/python -S
	/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0310261732170.19491-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>

Can anyone tell me what mailman is having problems with,
and how to fix it?

The error message doesn't appear to contain the filename
of the problem file.

thanks

fuzzy

>> message from mailman user
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:00:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Cron Daemon <mailman at pooh.ASARian.org>
To: mailman at pooh.ASARian.org
Subject: Cron <mailman at pooh> /usr/local/bin/python -S
    /usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 209, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 148, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 99, in __init__
    self.Lock()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 149, in Lock
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 570, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(file)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 543, in __load
    dict = loadfunc(fp)
cPickle.UnpicklingError: member is not safe for unpickling




From todd at synthetic.org  Mon Oct 27 18:49:39 2003
From: todd at synthetic.org (Todd Clayton)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:49:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick question
Message-ID: <3F9D5AB3.60700@synthetic.org>


I've read the documentation and the FAQ, and can't find an explicit 
answer to my problem... For some reason my mailing list members can post 
directly to my mailing list, however I thought I had set it up as a one 
way list only. As in only I can post.

I have the reply-to set explicitly as my address, and I've just changed 
"Hide Sender" to no. However, even if for some reason someone tries to 
post to this address I want it to be held for review regardless of who 
sent it.

I'm sure there is a way of doing this, but I guess I'm just clueless on 
Mondays...

-- 
+---------------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Todd Clayton aka DJ Todd        | Real Synthetic Audio           |
| http://www.industrial-radio.com | Electro-Industrial-Synthpop    |
| irc.habber.net #rmipeople       | radio for the net-generation.  |
| djtodd at synthetic.org            | Unlicensed, Unregulated, and   |
| ICQ: 56785153                   | Unconventional.                |
+---------------------------------+--------------------------------+
   I tell you, nothing works up an appetite like committing serious
                          tax fraud. - Dayv.




From griswld at cio.sc.gov  Mon Oct 27 19:28:57 2003
From: griswld at cio.sc.gov (Doug Griswold)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:28:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lockfile mtime in future
Message-ID: <sf9d1f08.074@gw.state.sc.us>

I have two lock files in /usr/local/mailman/locks

one is master-qrunner and the other is master-qrunner.mysite.com:25326


the strange thing is that the MTIME is in the future.  Is this normal? 
If so could someone explain this.  This is on mailman 2.1.3


Thanks



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon Oct 27 20:02:28 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:02:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maillist create error
In-Reply-To: <20031025091848.13D4FE6A96@in-corp.com>
References: <20031025091848.13D4FE6A96@in-corp.com>
Message-ID: <20031027190228.GD7119@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Johan Kok wrote:
> Could anybody help with the following error when I try to create a
> mailling list. THe implication is that the mailling list itself has
> been created within mailman but I presume that the Postfix is not
> configured for such
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> 
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a
> copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description
> of what happened. Thanks!  Traceback:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last): File
> "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py",
> line 55, in main File
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py",
> line 217, in process_request File
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py",
> line 226, in create File
> "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py",
> line 47, in _update_maps RuntimeError: command failed:
> /usr/sbin/postalias /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1,
> Operation not permitted)

I assume you've carefully read the FAQ so as to avoid asking a
question that's been asked and answered numerous times and that it
didn't help you?

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
You will never find time for anything.  If you want time you must make
it.
    -- Charles Buxton

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From ewilts at ewilts.org  Mon Oct 27 20:07:03 2003
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:07:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming and Moving List to a different Sub-Domain
In-Reply-To: <A20B439C-06C9-11D8-A78C-003065761F3A@macmagazine.com.br>
References: <A20B439C-06C9-11D8-A78C-003065761F3A@macmagazine.com.br>
Message-ID: <20031027190703.GB30599@www.ewilts.org>

On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 10:00:08PM +1300, Rafael Fischmann wrote:
> I have several lists in my server <http://macmagazine.com.br> and, 
> before the number of them and the number of members inside them gets to 
> big, I want to create a pattern for the lists' names and locations.
> 
> How can that be made? We're using Mailman 2.1.2 in cPanel 8.5.3 - 
> STABLE 3.

There's an easy way to rename a list and there's a hard way.  The hard
way is documented in the FAQ - please search http://www.list.org first.

The easy way can be used if you don't have any archives and don't care
about providing a way for your user community to access the list by the
old name.  Simply create the new list, export the configuration of the
old list, import that into the new list, and then list the members of
the old list and add that to the new.  That works fairly well for
announcement-style only lists with no archives.

-- 
Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org



From mailman at darksleep.com  Mon Oct 27 20:37:52 2003
From: mailman at darksleep.com (Mailman Mailing List Manager)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:37:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman locks directory
Message-ID: <20031027193752.GB29918@darksleep.com>

Hi folks,

     How dangerous is it to muck with the locks directory of a mailman
install?

     I'm trying to figure out why my mailman installation doesn't send
messages through.  

     - postfix receives mail and passes it into the mailman wrapper
       (from looking at /var/log/mail)

     - mailman appears to be able to send (things like subscription 
       confirmations get sent out)

     - but normal list traffic doesn't get through.  

     - there are a dozen or so files in the locks directory, even
       though no messages have been sent out to the lists in a couple
       weeks.

     I'm wondering if there might be a way to kick-start mailman
again, maybe by removing the lock files.  But would this be dangerous?
I'm not worried about the messages that haven't gone out, at this
point, just about getting things moving again.

-- 
Steven J. Owens
puff at darksleep.com / (412) 401-8060 cell / (412) 578-9817 house
| "I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong,
|  declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and
|  this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read.
|  Take it all with a grain of salt." 
| - me, at http://darksleep.com



From dalexander at nysia.org  Mon Oct 27 21:19:26 2003
From: dalexander at nysia.org (David Alexander)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:19:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two issues with 2.1.2
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031027151855.02698bb0@spamarrest.com>

Good day.  I inherited a mailman / NetBSD setup shortly after migrating 
from 2.0.x to 2.1.2, and there are two problems I have not been able to 
resolve so far:

1) There are two live lists, and two lists used for testing.  Both test 
lists (the recipients in the test lists are a few users internal to the 
organization) have stopped responding i.e. I send email and nothing shows 
up in the list, with no error report or bounce.  Nothing is sent out, 
either.  I created a new list and copied all the settings that are used in 
one of the live lists; when I sent an email to it, nothing showed up, 
again, and no error message came back.  I again checked the live list for 
function, and it still works correctly.  I looked in /var/log, but was not 
sure what file to look at, if any, and after looking at a few of the files 
did not see a clear error message.

2) A few people on this list have mentioned that they also see a CC: to the 
list on every transmission, as we do, but I have not seen a definite 
explanation or "fix".  Someone said it occurs when sending with Full 
Personalization, but this was not confirmed.  Since I can not successfully 
create and use new lists ( see above :--) ), I can not test this either.

Your suggestions are most welcome!


David Alexander
Opal Computing 




From mailings at good-it.com  Mon Oct 27 21:51:25 2003
From: mailings at good-it.com (mailings at good-it.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:51:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Activate mailinglist
Message-ID: <200310272151.25205.mailings@good-it.com>

Hi all,

Somehow i deactivated the mailinglist from without the GUI.
I forget however where and how i did it and i can't find the place where i did 
it.
Can someone point this stupid fool to the right place...:-))
-- 
Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet,
BoBo




From apradhanang at excite.com  Mon Oct 27 21:54:59 2003
From: apradhanang at excite.com (Anup)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:54:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not getting emails.
Message-ID: <20031027205459.288EE109EF0@xmxpita.excite.com>


When I send email to the mailing list running Mailman, I don't get any emails. Nor can I see any activity as a List owner. Do I need to set up any other features?



Regards,

Anup.







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From simon at caperet.com  Mon Oct 27 22:12:58 2003
From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:12:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Lost" a list and now I'm stuck...
Message-ID: <20031027211258.GB2711@mtds.com>

Hello,

I had a system crash recently while a mailing was going out to a list
that has about 11,000 members.

In the mailman/lists directory the list still has its directory, but
instead of the usual:

config.pck  config.pck.last  request.db

it has just these files:

-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman   1670681 Sep 10 16:02 config.pck.safety
-rw-rw-r--    1 webusers mailman        29 Oct 22 01:44 request.db

The list is no longer showing up in list_lists and check_db runs. It
certainly existed before though!

Can I still restore that list? I'm not sure I have all the subscriber
details still... which would be a real shame to lose, it's a community
site for new mothers (and fathers) for advice and stuff for babies,
parents and young kids to do, etc... 

I had to clean out a load of rubbish in the qfiles to stop mailmanctl
barfing a load of errors (Bad Marshal Data) ... sadly I don't have
access to the full errors any more.

Regards,

-- 
Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration.
email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access
     Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team.



From simon at caperet.com  Mon Oct 27 22:19:27 2003
From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:19:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Lost" a list and now I'm stuck...
In-Reply-To: <20031027211258.GB2711@mtds.com>
References: <20031027211258.GB2711@mtds.com>
Message-ID: <20031027211927.GC2711@mtds.com>

I committed a couple of sins in posting hastily.

27-Oct-03 at 22:12, Simon White (simon at caperet.com) wrote :
> I had to clean out a load of rubbish in the qfiles to stop mailmanctl
> barfing a load of errors (Bad Marshal Data) ... sadly I don't have
> access to the full errors any more.

Here they are

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
     main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main
     qrunner.run()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run
     filecnt = self._oneloop()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in
_oneloop
     msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in
dequeue
     data = self._ext_read(dbfile)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 246, in
_ext_read
     dict = marshal.load(fp)
MemoryError

+-+-+

Also, 

/usr/local/mailman/bin# ./version
Using Mailman version: 2.1.2

/usr/local/mailman/bin# /usr/bin/python -V
Python 2.1.3

sd25:/usr/local/mailman/bin# uname -a
Linux 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686
unknown

Anything else you need?

-- 
Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration.
email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access
     Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team.



From giggel at hadiko.de  Mon Oct 27 22:23:04 2003
From: giggel at hadiko.de (Thomas Gutzler)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:23:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't find "no attachment"-switch for text/plain
Message-ID: <20031027212304.GT85448@brain.hadiko.de>

Hi,

can somebody tell me how to persuade mailman not to put any text/plain
message into an attachment ?

If I send a mail to any of my lists, I get it back as an "empty" mail
with 2 attachments:

1 <no description>                        [text/plain, 7bit, 0,1K] 
2 <no description>                        [text/plain, quoted, 0,1K] 

Where 1 is the text and 2 the signature

Cheers,
 Tom



From frank at apogeect.com  Mon Oct 27 22:58:07 2003
From: frank at apogeect.com (Frank Middleton)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:58:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding a second list admin
References: <3F99D55A.2080704@apogeect.com> <3F9D57E9.2040009@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <3F9D94EF.1060301@apogeect.com>

Exactly. It worked just as documented. So how do I go about adding
a new list admin, or replacing the current admin? Just adding the
new name doesn't seem to be useful because there doesn't seem to
be a way to notify them of their password. Unless I'm missing
something (probably glaringly) obvious, it *should* send an email
when someone is added, not just at list creation time.

As it happens I could recreate this list, so there is an easy work around,
but I'm puzzled as to why it allows the addition of new administrators
when apparently there is no way to let them administer.  That's why I
tried
 > config_list -o zzzz
[edit zzzz to add new admin]
 > config_list -i zzzz
thinking that this was a bit like making a new list.  I also made sure
that the new admin was already a valid subscriber and tried using their
list password but this didn't work. Apparently list users and admin
passwords are not coupled even if they have the same email addresses
(probably a good thing).

Clearly, people do inherit lists and doubtlessly change admins. I did
RTFM and the Archives but drew a blank - but there must be a way...

Mailman version 2.0.11 (Debian).

TIA -- Frank Middleton

John DeCarlo wrote:

> Frank,
>
> Are you having a problem?
> You quoted text that says when a list is created it send a message to 
> the list owner, so the list owner knows the list was created and can 
> start working on it.
>
> Then you say you added another list owner but got no message.  That 
> sounds exactly correct - no new list was created.
>
> Hope this helps.
>





From ewilts at ewilts.org  Mon Oct 27 23:32:40 2003
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:32:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding a second list admin
In-Reply-To: <3F9D94EF.1060301@apogeect.com>
References: <3F99D55A.2080704@apogeect.com> <3F9D57E9.2040009@mitre.org>
	<3F9D94EF.1060301@apogeect.com>
Message-ID: <20031027223240.GB1088@www.ewilts.org>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 04:58:07PM -0500, Frank Middleton wrote:
> Exactly. It worked just as documented. So how do I go about adding
> a new list admin, or replacing the current admin? Just adding the
> new name doesn't seem to be useful because there doesn't seem to
> be a way to notify them of their password. Unless I'm missing
> something (probably glaringly) obvious, it *should* send an email
> when someone is added, not just at list creation time.
> 
> Clearly, people do inherit lists and doubtlessly change admins. I did
> RTFM and the Archives but drew a blank - but there must be a way...

If you've added a second admin, that person can get the password from
the first admin who should probably be informed that a second person has
been added anyway.

If the list admin changes, then the password should be changed.  Using the
site password, you can change the list password and then give that to
the new admin.

-- 
Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org



From mailman at darksleep.com  Mon Oct 27 23:34:58 2003
From: mailman at darksleep.com (Mailman Mailing List Manager)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:34:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sitelist?
Message-ID: <20031027223458.GC29918@darksleep.com>

Hi folks,

     I'm running debian woody, postfix, and mailman.  

     I just upgraded from 2.0.x to 2.1.3-1.

     Mailman is now telling me it needs a sitelist before it will
start.  I can't find much about sitelist, other than the mentions of
it in the mailman 2.1.2 release notes and an occasional reference to
reconfiguring all of the mailing lists using config_list.  The
python.org mailman faq gives me no hits on "sitelist".

     It appears that all I have to do is:

1) Create a vanilla mailing list named "mailman":
     do: newlist mailman
     paste the aliases into /etc/aliases
     do: newaliases

2) do: config_list -i /var/lib/mailman/data/sitelist.cfg mailman

3) restart mailman;  on debian, do so with:
     do: /etc/init.d/mailman restart


     
     Now, this *appears* to have fixed things, mail to the various
lists is going out, the various message waiting in the queue went, as
did the test I just sent.  But is it really fixed, or do I need to do
anything else?

-- 
Steven J. Owens
puff at darksleep.com / (412) 401-8060 cell / (412) 578-9817 house
| "I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong,
|  declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and
|  this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read.
|  Take it all with a grain of salt." 
| - me, at http://darksleep.com



From randy.foo at hp.com  Mon Oct 27 23:51:29 2003
From: randy.foo at hp.com (Foo, Randy)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:51:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI not working
Message-ID: <329CEF4E238E71429500F7A09094745F03B65244@cacexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Thanks for your help,

However, I've tried changing the group that apache runs httpd under to
www, and that didn't work. For some unknown reason, I cannot get httpd
to run as any id other than apache. The apache conf file says to run
httpd as root, and then it will change over, but I haven't seen that.  I
ran configure again using --with-cgi-id=nobody, and then make install
again and it took this time.  But the CGI still does not run.     I set
the User to nobody, and Group to 99 in the apache httpd.conf file. 

Any other suggestions?

Regards,

Randy Foo
Unix System Administrator/FW support
The Kemtah Group at Hewlett Packard
Telnet 212-6186


Here's the http.conf setup:

 # If you wish httpd to run as a different user or group, you must run
# httpd as root initially and it will switch.
#
# User/Group: The name (or #number) of the user/group to run httpd as.
#  . On SCO (ODT 3) use "User nouser" and "Group nogroup".
#  . On HPUX you may not be able to use shared memory as nobody, and the
#    suggested workaround is to create a user www and use that user.
#  NOTE that some kernels refuse to setgid(Group) or semctl(IPC_SET)
#  when the value of (unsigned)Group is above 60000;
#  don't use Group #-1 on these systems!
#
User nobody
Group #99
#Group #-1
</IfModule>
</IfModule>


# ScriptAlias: This controls which directories contain server scripts.
# ScriptAliases are essentially the same as Aliases, except that
# documents in the realname directory are treated as applications and
# run by the server when requested rather than as documents sent to the
client.
# The same rules about trailing "/" apply to ScriptAlias directives as
to
# Alias.
#
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin/"
 

#CGI script enablement directive
#
ScriptAlias
/cgi/bin/ /usr/local/apache2/cgi/bin
/usr/local/apache2/cgi/bin
ScriptAlias
/mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin
 

# "/usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin" should be changed to whatever your
ScriptAliased
# CGI directory exists, if you have that configured.
#
<Directory "/usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin">
    AllowOverride None
    Options None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>
 

<Directory "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin">
    AllowOverride None
    Options None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

-----Original Message-----
From: james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com
[mailto:james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:30 AM
To: Foo, Randy
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI not working



i have just been setting up a server and had some similar problems, you
need to check that the group that mailman first matches for running its
cgi scripts is the group  that the apache server is running

by default mailman will check for www then www-data and then nobody (see
install doc), on a redhat machine that i have the www and www-data
groups do not exist but nobody does with id 99, and the default RH9
apache server runs as group, and user, apache GUID 48

if you have not used the --with-cgi-gid option then you need to use the
User and Group options for apache to set the server to run as nobody or
whatever group mailman first macthes

once you haev done this try a webpage such as
http://<yourdomain>/mailman/admin, a gotcha that hit me is that just
looking at http://<yourdomain>/mailman/ will not work as there is not
default script or index page for the server to display and you will
probably get an error

James


At 23/10/2003 23:57:31,
mailman-users-bounces+james.osbourn=globalgraphics.com at python.org wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm a newbie, and have just installed mailman on Red Hat 9, with the 
> apache web server.  None of it was done with rpm, I downloaded, 
> configured and compiled from both apache.org and the mailman site.  
> I've created the 'mailman' list, after having gone through all install

> docs. Mailman's cgi does not work, however.  The documentation said to

> check the apache group setting, which is at the default right now #-1,

> but I have changed it to gid 99, to no avail.  Default cgi group is 
> apparently www in mailman, although the username is nobody in apache 
> (gid 99 in
> redhat) for httpd.  How do I get the mailman cgi to work?  I've set
the
> scriptalias directive in apache to /mailman/
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin
>
> I also tried re-running the configure script using the --with-cgi-id ,

> but no matter what it seems to use www.
>
> The first mailing from the mailman list went to my email ok, returning

> the link <myserver>.vcd.hp.com/mailman/admin/mailman, but all that is 
> returned is the "object not found - the requested URL was not found on

> this server"
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Randy Foo
> Unix System Administrator
> The Kemtah Group at Hewlett Packard
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com Unsubscribe

> or change your options at
>
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balgra

> phics.com
>





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 09:15:07 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 28 Oct 2003 03:15:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick question
In-Reply-To: <3F9D5AB3.60700@synthetic.org>
References: <3F9D5AB3.60700@synthetic.org>
Message-ID: <1067328906.3334.84.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 12:49, Todd Clayton wrote:
> I've read the documentation and the FAQ, and can't find an explicit 
> answer to my problem... For some reason my mailing list members can post 
> directly to my mailing list, however I thought I had set it up as a one 
> way list only. As in only I can post.
> 
> I have the reply-to set explicitly as my address, and I've just changed 
> "Hide Sender" to no. However, even if for some reason someone tries to 
> post to this address I want it to be held for review regardless of who 
> sent it.
> 
> I'm sure there is a way of doing this, but I guess I'm just clueless on 
> Mondays...

I agree, it's been a "Monday!".

In version 2.1 of Mailman the moderation is set on a per user basis. Go
to the Membership Management page of the web-admin and there is a toggle
to turn on moderation for all existing users.

You will also want to setup Moderation as the default for all new added
members.

Hope that helps - Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 09:16:43 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 28 Oct 2003 03:16:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lockfile mtime in future
In-Reply-To: <sf9d1f08.074@gw.state.sc.us>
References: <sf9d1f08.074@gw.state.sc.us>
Message-ID: <1067329003.3334.86.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 13:28, Doug Griswold wrote:
> I have two lock files in /usr/local/mailman/locks
> 
> one is master-qrunner and the other is master-qrunner.mysite.com:25326
> 
> 
> the strange thing is that the MTIME is in the future.  Is this normal? 
> If so could someone explain this.  This is on mailman 2.1.3
> 
> 
> Thanks


Normal.

There is a good write up of this in the archives.  I'm too sleepy now to
do it justice, but suffice it to say that it's normal behavior.

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 09:27:13 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 28 Oct 2003 03:27:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman locks directory
In-Reply-To: <20031027193752.GB29918@darksleep.com>
References: <20031027193752.GB29918@darksleep.com>
Message-ID: <1067329633.3334.95.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 14:37, Mailman Mailing List Manager wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
>      How dangerous is it to muck with the locks directory of a mailman
> install?
> 
>      I'm trying to figure out why my mailman installation doesn't send
> messages through.  
> 
>      - postfix receives mail and passes it into the mailman wrapper
>        (from looking at /var/log/mail)
> 
>      - mailman appears to be able to send (things like subscription 
>        confirmations get sent out)
> 
>      - but normal list traffic doesn't get through.  
> 
>      - there are a dozen or so files in the locks directory, even
>        though no messages have been sent out to the lists in a couple
>        weeks.
> 
>      I'm wondering if there might be a way to kick-start mailman
> again, maybe by removing the lock files.  But would this be dangerous?
> I'm not worried about the messages that haven't gone out, at this
> point, just about getting things moving again.

You should definitely look at FAQ 3.14.

Also, you *really* need to tell us what version of Mailman you are using
and what OS (and anything interesting about your system: like it's
running in a chroot session on a vax cluster inside a vmware install of
win2k running cygwin with python version 1.2 - oh yeah, baby! and for
some reason, Mailman won't install...)

Feel free to play with the lock files. Each filename has the Process ID
as a part of the name. You can use "ps ax" to look for the process ID.
If you don't see that process running, then feel free to remove the lock
file.

Jon Carnes




From vizisz at freemail.hu  Tue Oct 28 09:06:56 2003
From: vizisz at freemail.hu (Vizi Szilard)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:06:56 +0100 (CET)
Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?[Mailman-Users]=A0Not=A0getting=A0emails.?=
In-Reply-To: <20031027205459.288EE109EF0@xmxpita.excite.com>
References: <20031027205459.288EE109EF0@xmxpita.excite.com>
Message-ID: <47049.193.6.32.106.1067328416.squirrel@kabinet.uranus.vein.hu>

Hello,

> When I send email to the mailing list running Mailman, I don't get any
> emails. Nor can I see any activity as a List owner. Do I need to set
> up any other features?
I assmue that you are subscribed to that lists.

If you are using Mailman 2.1.x then you are probably forgot to start
the mailmanctl, start it something like this:

# /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start

And if you want to start whenever you system starts, then you have
to copy the mailman script from the /usr/local/mailman/scripts
dir to /etc/init.d and setup some symbolic links. If you are
using RedHat or Mandrake, then you can do it this with the chkconfig
util:

# cp /usr/local/mailman/scripts/mailman /etc/init.d/mailman
# chkconfig --add mailman

For other systems read the end of the 4th chapter of the INSTALL doc.

If you are using an older Mailman, like version 2.0.x, then you forget
to set up the crontab entries. Check the Mailman's crontab:

# crontab -l -u mailman

If the answer is an empty screen, then you have to set up the Mailman's
crontab:

# crontab -e -u mailman < /home/mailman/cron/crontab.in

If this doesn't solve your problem, write another email to this
mailing lists and tell us how did you install Mailman (from source
or from a package), what steps made you during install, and what
kind of system are you using?

Szilard Vizi
-------------
mailto:vizisz at freemail.hu




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 09:40:43 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 28 Oct 2003 03:40:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two issues with 2.1.2
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031027151855.02698bb0@spamarrest.com>
References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031027151855.02698bb0@spamarrest.com>
Message-ID: <1067330443.3334.107.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 15:19, David Alexander wrote:
> Good day.  I inherited a mailman / NetBSD setup shortly after migrating 
> from 2.0.x to 2.1.2, and there are two problems I have not been able to 
> resolve so far:
> 
> 1) There are two live lists, and two lists used for testing.  Both test 
> lists (the recipients in the test lists are a few users internal to the 
> organization) have stopped responding i.e. I send email and nothing shows 
> up in the list, with no error report or bounce.  Nothing is sent out, 
> either.  I created a new list and copied all the settings that are used in 
> one of the live lists; when I sent an email to it, nothing showed up, 
> again, and no error message came back.  I again checked the live list for 
> function, and it still works correctly.  I looked in /var/log, but was not 
> sure what file to look at, if any, and after looking at a few of the files 
> did not see a clear error message.
> 
You can follow the flow of a message by looking at the MTA logs (in
/var/log/..) and you should see it hand the message off to a script
kicked off by the mailing list alias.

At this point you should look at the Mailman logs (normally in
~mailman/logs/..) and should see the message posted to the list and
whether it was expanded to the list and handed off to the MTA or held
for moderator approval. 

At this point you should again look in the MTA logs and see the various
messages being sent to the members of the mailing list.

> 2) A few people on this list have mentioned that they also see a CC: to the 
> list on every transmission, as we do, but I have not seen a definite 
> explanation or "fix".  Someone said it occurs when sending with Full 
> Personalization, but this was not confirmed.  Since I can not successfully 
> create and use new lists ( see above :--) ), I can not test this either.
> 

They are correct.

I suggest that you use the web-admin and look at each list's setup.  In
particular look at the admin and moderator email addresses (and make
sure that those addresses point to YOU!).

Your Mailman install is basically working as it has working lists.  This
does not mean that your current configuration is valid
(~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py)... but it certainly implies
that - as long as no changes where made to the configuration after the
working lists were created.

There are some upgrade scenarios where existing older lists would work
fine, but new lists would be totally hosed.  This is mostly caused by
folks putting their site configuration into Defaults.py instead of
mm_cfg.py.

Anyway, you can check for this by looking at the existing lists that are
working via the webadmin and then seeing if that information is
reflected in the mm_cfg.py file.

> Your suggestions are most welcome!
> 
> 
> David Alexander
> Opal Computing 
> 
Good luck, David!

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 09:44:33 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 28 Oct 2003 03:44:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Activate mailinglist
In-Reply-To: <200310272151.25205.mailings@good-it.com>
References: <200310272151.25205.mailings@good-it.com>
Message-ID: <1067330673.3334.111.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 15:51, mailings at good-it.com wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Somehow i deactivated the mailinglist from without the GUI.
> I forget however where and how i did it and i can't find the place where i did 
> it.
> Can someone point this stupid fool to the right place...:-))

Did you turn off Mailman completely?
  service mailman start
    - or -
  ~mailman/bin/mailmanctl

Or did you turn off (delete) one mailing list?
Mailman commands can be found in ~mailman/bin/..







From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 09:56:13 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 28 Oct 2003 03:56:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Lost" a list and now I'm stuck...
In-Reply-To: <20031027211258.GB2711@mtds.com>
References: <20031027211258.GB2711@mtds.com>
Message-ID: <1067331373.3334.120.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 16:12, Simon White wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I had a system crash recently while a mailing was going out to a list
> that has about 11,000 members.
> 
> In the mailman/lists directory the list still has its directory, but
> instead of the usual:
> 
> config.pck  config.pck.last  request.db
> 
> it has just these files:
> 
> -rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman   1670681 Sep 10 16:02 config.pck.safety
> -rw-rw-r--    1 webusers mailman        29 Oct 22 01:44 request.db
> 
> The list is no longer showing up in list_lists and check_db runs. It
> certainly existed before though!
> 
> Can I still restore that list? I'm not sure I have all the subscriber
> details still... which would be a real shame to lose, it's a community
> site for new mothers (and fathers) for advice and stuff for babies,
> parents and young kids to do, etc... 
> 
> I had to clean out a load of rubbish in the qfiles to stop mailmanctl
> barfing a load of errors (Bad Marshal Data) ... sadly I don't have
> access to the full errors any more.
> 
> Regards,

Have you run "check_db <listname> "?

  Check a list's config database file for integrity.
 
  All of the following files are checked:
     config.pck
     config.pck.last
     config.db
     config.db.last
     config.safety

  It's okay if any of these are missing.  

  config.pck and config.pck.last are pickled versions of the
    config database file for 2.1a3 and beyond.

  config.db and config.db.last are used in all earlier versions,
    and these are Python marshals.  

  config.safety is a pickle written by 2.1a3 and beyond when
    the primary config.pck file could not be read.

======
Unless you have regular system backups of your list files, you should
also copy this file off to a safe location, before messing with it.

How much RAM does the server have? Are you using a lot of virtual memory
when sending out messages to this large list?  You should look at your
systems resources and make sure they are sufficient to handle a list of
this size.

Take care - Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 10:01:57 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 28 Oct 2003 04:01:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't find "no attachment"-switch for text/plain
In-Reply-To: <20031027212304.GT85448@brain.hadiko.de>
References: <20031027212304.GT85448@brain.hadiko.de>
Message-ID: <1067331717.3334.126.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 16:23, Thomas Gutzler wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> can somebody tell me how to persuade mailman not to put any text/plain
> message into an attachment ?
> 
> If I send a mail to any of my lists, I get it back as an "empty" mail
> with 2 attachments:
> 
> 1 <no description>                        [text/plain, 7bit, 0,1K] 
> 2 <no description>                        [text/plain, quoted, 0,1K] 
> 
> Where 1 is the text and 2 the signature
> 
> Cheers,
>  Tom

This is beaten to death in the archives.

You won't find an answer you like. The problem is with diverse character
sets and the proper way that Mail is supposed to handle them. It's
non-intuitive but different character sets require different MIME
envelopes.

Sometimes doing things right, is not the right thing to do... (isn't
that a quote from Bill Gates?)

Jon Carnes




From dalexander at nysia.org  Tue Oct 28 11:11:18 2003
From: dalexander at nysia.org (David Alexander)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:11:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CC: line
In-Reply-To: <1067330443.3334.107.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031027151855.02698bb0@spamarrest.com>
	<1067330443.3334.107.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031028050901.02575288@spamarrest.com>

Hello again, Jon.  Does this mean that there is no way to shut off the CC: 
entry if using Full Personalization?  Is there a reason these two concepts 
are connected with each other?  I am not sure why turning on 
personalization should result in a CC: being added.

TIA.

David Alexander
Opal Computing

> > ...A few people on this list have mentioned that they also see a CC: to 
> the
> > list on every transmission, as we do, but I have not seen a definite
> > explanation or "fix".  Someone said it occurs when sending with Full
> > Personalization, but this was not confirmed.  Since I can not successfully
> > create and use new lists ( see above :--) ), I can not test this either.
> >
>
>They are correct.
>
>I suggest that you use the web-admin and look at each list's setup.  In
>particular look at the admin and moderator email addresses (and make
>sure that those addresses point to YOU!).




From simon at caperet.com  Tue Oct 28 13:07:08 2003
From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:07:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Lost" a list and now I'm stuck...
In-Reply-To: <1067331373.3334.120.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20031027211258.GB2711@mtds.com>
	<1067331373.3334.120.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20031028120708.GB14267@mtds.com>

28-Oct-03 at 03:56, Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote :
> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 16:12, Simon White wrote:
> > I had a system crash recently while a mailing was going out to a list
> > that has about 11,000 members.
> > 
> > In the mailman/lists directory the list still has its directory, but
> > instead of the usual:
> > 
> > config.pck  config.pck.last  request.db
> > 
> > it has just these files:
> > 
> > -rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman   1670681 Sep 10 16:02 config.pck.safety
> > -rw-rw-r--    1 webusers mailman        29 Oct 22 01:44 request.db
> > 
> > Can I still restore that list? I'm not sure I have all the subscriber
> > details still... which would be a real shame to lose, it's a community
> > site for new mothers (and fathers) for advice and stuff for babies,
> > parents and young kids to do, etc... 
> > 
> Have you run "check_db <listname> "?

check_db tells me the list doesn't exist any more. As does list_lists
(well it's not in the list outputted by list_lists).

> ======
> Unless you have regular system backups of your list files, you should
> also copy this file off to a safe location, before messing with it.
> 
> How much RAM does the server have? Are you using a lot of virtual memory
> when sending out messages to this large list?  You should look at your
> systems resources and make sure they are sufficient to handle a list of
> this size.
> 

I'm not quite sure of the server's full spec; but it's not a big iron
machine as such, although I have run the same list on a lesser config
before (with an earlier version of Mailman)

Regards,

-- 
Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration.
email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access
     Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team.



From mailman at formatc.hu  Tue Oct 28 15:38:15 2003
From: mailman at formatc.hu (=?ISO-8859-2?B?TultZXRoIEJhbOF6cw==?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:38:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad From address
Message-ID: <4626011282.20031028153815@formatc.hu>

Hi,

I have set up Mailman on my Linux box. It has dynamic IP, so its
hostname (formatc.dnsalias.com) is provided by a Dynamic DNS provider.
Nearly everything works fine, it forwars e-mails, the web interface
works good, but if someone wants to join to a list, he got a message
from eg. formatc-l-owner at formatc.hu instead of
formatc-l-owner at formatc.dnsalias.com so when he replies to it (eg.
confirmation letter), mailman won't get it.
I would be happy, if someone can tell me, where to look for the
problame.

Thanks in advance:
 N?meth Bal?zs
 mailman at formatc.hu




From akurausu at ybb.ne.jp  Tue Oct 28 07:37:58 2003
From: akurausu at ybb.ne.jp (Andrew Klaus)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:37:58 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting past email submission
Message-ID: <000101c39d1e$0721ef30$1701a8c0@T40>

How can I delete past email submissions?

I don't want to archive everything.


Thanks for letting me know.


Andrew Klaus





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 16:12:26 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:12:26 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad From address
In-Reply-To: <4626011282.20031028153815@formatc.hu>
Message-ID: <23B94032-0959-11D8-A8EB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 02:38  pm, N?meth Bal?zs wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have set up Mailman on my Linux box. It has dynamic IP, so its
> hostname (formatc.dnsalias.com) is provided by a Dynamic DNS provider.
> Nearly everything works fine, it forwars e-mails, the web interface
> works good, but if someone wants to join to a list, he got a message
> from eg. formatc-l-owner at formatc.hu instead of
> formatc-l-owner at formatc.dnsalias.com so when he replies to it (eg.
> confirmation letter), mailman won't get it.
> I would be happy, if someone can tell me, where to look for the
> problame.
>

Take a look at:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

> Thanks in advance:
>  N?meth Bal?zs
>  mailman at formatc.hu
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From rcarsey at monmouth.edu  Tue Oct 28 16:17:48 2003
From: rcarsey at monmouth.edu (Robert Carsey)
Date: 28 Oct 2003 10:17:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request (?)
Message-ID: <1067354268.13973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

You know what would be super..  In Privacy Options > Sender Filters, the
four fields titled "List of non-member addresses whose postings should
be [accepted | held | rejected | discarded]" should be able to accept
Mailman list names in addition to plain old e-mail addresses.

Example:
My Mailman server holds an all-students lists and an all-employees list
(subscriber lists for both are updated nightly with sync_members; and
can be quite dynamic at the start of the semesters).

We'd like to say "If you are a member of all-employees, then you may
post to all-students.  Otherwise, reject."  In essence, it's an
announcement-type list; but instead of just a handful of static
auto-accept addresses,  we have thousands of dynamically changing
addresses.

Similarly, a company might have a Cabinet or "executive management" list
which might serve as as a normal mailing list AND also as an auto-accept
list for a employees or peons list ;-)

I'm currently doing a list_members on my employees list, and pasting it
into the auto-accept textbox in students.. its a pain. 

-- 
Robert Carsey
Sr. UNIX Administrator
Monmouth University
W. Long Branch, NJ 07764-1898
(732) 263-5171
FAX (732) 263-5200




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 17:09:17 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 28 Oct 2003 11:09:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting past email submission
In-Reply-To: <000101c39d1e$0721ef30$1701a8c0@T40>
References: <000101c39d1e$0721ef30$1701a8c0@T40>
Message-ID: <1067357357.3277.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 01:37, Andrew Klaus wrote:
> How can I delete past email submissions?
> 
> I don't want to archive everything.
> 
> 
> Thanks for letting me know.
> 
> 
> Andrew Klaus
> 

Read FAQ 3.3
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 17:31:41 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 28 Oct 2003 11:31:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: CC: line
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031028050901.02575288@spamarrest.com>
References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031027151855.02698bb0@spamarrest.com>
	<1067330443.3334.107.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031028050901.02575288@spamarrest.com>
Message-ID: <1067358701.3277.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>

David!  This is Open Source - there is always a way. :-)

I haven't run into this issue with any clients so I can't give any
detail on modifying it, but this is probably a fairly easy feature to
modify.

As a start, you can find the modules that deal with message CC's by:
  cd ~mailman/Mailman
  grep -iw "cc" */*

Just from that, I would say that a good place to start looking is:
  ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 05:11, David Alexander wrote:
> Hello again, Jon.  Does this mean that there is no way to shut off the CC: 
> entry if using Full Personalization?  Is there a reason these two concepts 
> are connected with each other?  I am not sure why turning on 
> personalization should result in a CC: being added.
> 
> TIA.
> 
> David Alexander
> Opal Computing
> 
> > > ...A few people on this list have mentioned that they also see a CC: to 
> > the
> > > list on every transmission, as we do, but I have not seen a definite
> > > explanation or "fix".  Someone said it occurs when sending with Full
> > > Personalization, but this was not confirmed.  Since I can not successfully
> > > create and use new lists ( see above :--) ), I can not test this either.
> > >
> >
> >They are correct.
> >
> >I suggest that you use the web-admin and look at each list's setup.  In
> >particular look at the admin and moderator email addresses (and make
> >sure that those addresses point to YOU!).
> 




From simon at caperet.com  Tue Oct 28 17:55:58 2003
From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:55:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Lost" a list and now I'm stuck...
In-Reply-To: <1067359112.3277.30.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20031027211258.GB2711@mtds.com>
	<1067331373.3334.120.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20031028120708.GB14267@mtds.com>
	<1067359112.3277.30.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20031028165558.GA23991@mtds.com>

28-Oct-03 at 11:38, Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote :
> Have you tried copying config.safety to config.pck and then running
> check_db? (remember to make a back up first).
> 
> If that doesn't work, see if you can get any information from
> config.safety by using ~mailman/bin/dumpdb.  It may have a lot of the
> information you need.
> 
> Also, do check your file space to make sure you are not running low on
> that volume.  The way that Mailman adjusts the config files is create a
> new one from the old - its at that point that I believe the current
> version is renamed to config.safety.  For everything to work properly
> you would need at least 3x (the size of the list) of available free
> space on the drive.

I'm cc'ing the list because this is what worked, it could come in
handy...

I copied the file config.pck.safety to config.pck and lo and behold, the
list was back in the list_lists list... and then check_db didn't find
any errors so it looks like we're back up and running.

I'll keep an eye on it for the time being. Going to fix my shell script
now, that updates members from a simple website, because they can't
handle confirmations and all that in French with a bit of English here
and there, so I've made it simple ... but my shell script doesn't check
the exit status of add_members so I lost a few new member addresses to
the bitbucket... oh well, that'll teach me!

-- 
Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration.
email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access
     Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team.



From mundaun at gmx.ch  Tue Oct 28 18:01:55 2003
From: mundaun at gmx.ch (Michael Stucki)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:01:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Feature request (?)
References: <1067354268.13973.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <bnm7f9$mo8$1@sea.gmane.org>

Robert Carsey wrote:

> You know what would be super..  In Privacy Options > Sender Filters, the
> four fields titled "List of non-member addresses whose postings should
> be [accepted | held | rejected | discarded]" should be able to accept
> Mailman list names in addition to plain old e-mail addresses.

Wouldn't it be easier to simply accept regular expressions on any header
line? That's exactly what I'm so much waiting for... :-)

Regards - michael




From tim at IntegraStrategic.com  Tue Oct 28 18:48:44 2003
From: tim at IntegraStrategic.com (Timothy Brooks)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:48:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment Hell -- please help
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031028124753.03768ec8@www.IntegraStrategic.com>

I'm having a terrible time with the 2.1.2 upgrade.

Ever since the upgrade, anyone using Microsoft Exchange Server receives 
messages as an attachment.  So, using the new Content Filtering feature, I 
set filtering to Yes and instructed Mailman to convert text/html parts to 
plain text.  This seemed to work, but then no one could send attachments.

So, within the area marked "Remove message attachments that don't have a 
matching content type."  I added:

multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain

Didn't help.  So, I added:

image

Didn't help.  Still can't add images.

Finally, I added:

image/jpeg
image/jpg
image/gif

. . . but we still can't add images.  (I tried to attached a screenshot, 
but this list didn't allow a 25kb attachment.)

This is a list for alumni of a college singing group.  Most messages don't 
contain images, but occasionally people pass around old photos.

Can anyone help?

Thanks.

Tim





_______________________________________________
Integra Strategic Technologies Consulting, LLC
164 Middle Street, Suite 2
Portland, Maine 04101
207.871-8008
http://www.IntegraStrategic.com . tim at IntegraStrategic.com



From jim at composter.com  Tue Oct 28 21:55:22 2003
From: jim at composter.com (Jim McNelly)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:55:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with posts requiring administrator approval
In-Reply-To: <E1AEXDJ-0008Uc-Kg@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AEXDJ-0008Uc-Kg@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031028142603.01f178b0@composter.com>


Greetings,

I manage a five year old, 700 member, fully moderated discussion list and 
appreciate Mailman's user friendliness for myself and our subscribers over 
Listserve and Majordomo lists I have managed in the past.

I have a problem, however with the Administrative Requests Page.  Posts to 
the list in moderated mode are all listed as held for approval because they 
are "Posts to moderated list".  In open discussion mode, I was provided 
with detailed reasons for messages being held for approval.

Specifically, posts that were previously filtered by the Mailman version 
2.0.8 software such as "administrative trivia, too large, and not a 
subscriber" are now all lumped together with the regular member's posts in 
the catch-all "posts to moderated list" reason for being held for 
approval.  Without more detail, I find myself approving messages from 
individuals that are not list subscribers and approving messages that are 
too large, have attachments, viruses etc.  Catching the unsubscribe and out 
of office messages is easy enough, but the other two types of unwanted 
messages are a problem.

Is there a way to keep these detailed filters working in "moderator 
approval mode" like they work in "no-moderator" settings?  Shouldn't these 
list parameter filters work and alert me with a message like "not a 
subscriber" or "message too large" before I, the moderator, see these 
messages under the generic catch-all "post to moderated list" and have to 
figure out on my own whether the message is too large or the sender is a 
subscriber.

A related problem occurs because I can't scroll down on the message excerpt 
content past the first fifty lines or so to get to the main body of the 
message, which is also a nuisance.  I would like to be able to view the 
entire message or at least tell if it has an attachment or not, which the 
size filter should catch.  In the message header box, it often lists 
whether or not there is an attachment, but it is often buried in a bunch of 
message history garbage.  Our problem is that we do not want large messages 
and people are often inserting large pictures or off topic HTML 
advertisements into the content of the message, bypassing the attachment 
properties of mail sending, which is again a problem for our list.  If I am 
going to approve the content of the message, I should be able to view the 
entire message.

There was nothing I found in the archives that addressed these issues.

In summary, here are the key points.

1. In moderator mode, mailman does not pre-filter messages from 
non-subscribers to the list
2.  In moderator mode, mailman does not pre-filter oversize messages
3.  In moderator mode, mailman does not pre-filter administrative trivia 
messages
4. Unwanted message attachments (could be solved by size filter working) 
are hard to spot in the message header (could use an "attachment alert")
5. The message excerpt box in both moderated and un-moderated modes 
displays only 50 lines, not the entire message which could warn of oversize 
images or off topic content inserted into the hidden portion of the message

Thanks for anyone's assistance


Jim McNelly
US Composting Council
Discussion List Moderator
jim at composter.com
www.compostingcouncil.org
www.composter.com 





From JJacobus at SurplusRecord.net  Tue Oct 28 22:07:32 2003
From: JJacobus at SurplusRecord.net (J Jacobus)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:07:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests: Can I create one ad-hoc?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031028150729.02e64100@mail.surplusrecord.net>

A number of subscribers to a mailing list did not receive messages for the 
past couple of days do to a spam block. I'd like to create a digest from 
this week's archive file and send it to them. Is there anyway to create a 
digest from the archive files? For reasons too complicated to explain, we 
do not want to give them access to the archives.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 22:45:40 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 28 Oct 2003 16:45:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests: Can I create one ad-hoc?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031028150729.02e64100@mail.surplusrecord.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031028150729.02e64100@mail.surplusrecord.net>
Message-ID: <1067377540.3277.223.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 16:07, J Jacobus wrote:
> A number of subscribers to a mailing list did not receive messages for the 
> past couple of days do to a spam block. I'd like to create a digest from 
> this week's archive file and send it to them. Is there anyway to create a 
> digest from the archive files? For reasons too complicated to explain, we 
> do not want to give them access to the archives.
> 
That's an interesting problem - resending mail collected in an archive.

You can grab the mails from the mbox file and copy them off to some
temporary location.  The mbox file contains the mail as it would be
stored in a mail spool:
  ~mailman/archives/private/<listname.mbox>/<listname.mbox>

Once you've isolated the mail, you can create a new alias that contains
the email addresses of the folks you want to send to - this can be a
simple alias in the /etc/aliases file (assuming sendmail as the MTA).

Then resend the mail using formail:
  formail -Y -s /usr/sbin/sendmail temp_alias at dom.ain \
       < /tmp/missed_mail.spool 

Give that a test run! Hope it works - Jon Carnes




From kjartan at zind.net  Tue Oct 28 23:40:07 2003
From: kjartan at zind.net (Kjartan Mannes)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:40:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.3 + shunt
Message-ID: <519024897.20031028234007@zind.net>

I've noticed I'm not the only one with these kinds of problems, but I
can't seem to find a solution that works. Right now there are 35
messages in qfiles/shunt, and over half of them I can't see anything
wrong with.

  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 74, in _dispose
    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 146, in process
    deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 279, in verpdeliver
    Decorate.process(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 89, in process
    payload = header + frontsep + oldpayload + endsep + footer
UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

Oct 28 23:20:13 2003 (31856) SHUNTING: 1067031965.589999+964d31a87ebd534316964bae23ce8669cbd07af6
Oct 28 23:20:34 2003 (31856) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)
Oct 28 23:20:34 2003 (31856) Traceback (most recent call last):

Is it possible to just have Mailman ignore these errors and process the
mail anyway?

Adding add_language('en'..) with different charsets seem to work. Oddly
enough some messages with Content-Type set to utf-8 end up in shunt, but
get through just find if I add add_language('en', ('English'), 'utf-8')
to mm_cfg.py. However, having to manually process these messages is
starting to become annoying, and if I keep the utf-8 as the default the
Mailman adds a mime part with the signature for all non utf-8 mails,
which is the majority of mails, that cause annoyances for some users.

-- 
Kjartan <kjartan at zind.net>
:: "Women are made to be loved, not understood." - Oscar Wilde




From anders at norrbring.biz  Tue Oct 28 23:58:06 2003
From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:58:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Annoying messages...
Message-ID: <200310282251.h9SMp635013459@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com>

I get these e-mails all the time from my new 2.1.3 install, can somebody
please tell me what I missed out on?  I myself don't have a clue..

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?
    from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ?
    from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO


Later!

Anders Norrbring





From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org  Wed Oct 29 01:18:24 2003
From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:18:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing "From" Field
Message-ID: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E7D46@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org>

Richard,

We are using a 2.0.X version of Mailman and that is how the users are
getting the <listname>-admin "from" address. My intent was to get our 2.0.X
version to behave the same as the2.1.X version does by default. I modified
the Cleanse.py module as you suggested, and all seems to be working great
(knock on wood)!! Thank you so much for your assistance! 

Best regards,

Staven 
------Original Message-----
From: 	Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] 
Sent:	Saturday, October 25, 2003 12:30 PM
To:	Staven Bruce
Cc:	mailman-users at python.org
Subject:	Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing "From" Field

Staven

On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 11:13  pm, Staven Bruce wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> There really is no technical aspect to this. The manager for this list
> thinks the address "Workshop_Information-admin at domain.com"  looks to
> confusing, and would prefer that
> address reads Workshop_Information at domain.com.
>
> I know each list needs at least three separate addresses and I'm 
> pretty sure
> I can't combine two of them together, however, I was thinking maybe 
> there
> was a way I could 'mask' the address of the sender with a phony 
> address, but
> I'm not sure how to go about doing that. Plus, this is something I 
> would
> have to do for 10 or more lists. Any ideas?
>

There are two aspects regarding where a message is perceived as coming 
from: the From: header in the message and the FROM:<reverse-path> 
specified in the SMTP MAIL command used in sending a message. The 
<reverse-path> is also know as the envelope return path and is the 
address to which replies reporting delivery problems should be sent.

With most MUAs the users gets to see the From: header. The 
<reverse-path> is often available in a Return-path: header inserted 
into the message by the final MTA handing it before it becomes 
available to the MUA, but most users are unaware of it.

For MM 2.0.x the mail alias in the envelope return path is 
<listname>-admin; in MM 2.1.x it is <listname>-bounces, which I guess 
will really freak out your list admin.

As implied in my original response, you really do not want the envelope 
return path to use the <listname> alias because it risks any error 
responses to outgoing messages from the list coming back as posts to 
the list alias and being redistributed to the list subscribers and, in 
any event, prevents MM's automatic bounce handling functioning as 
intended.

Normally, the From: header of outgoing messages from MM is the same as 
the From: header of the message it received for distribution. This is 
unless a list has its anonymous_list attribute set (to hide the sender 
of the message), in which case MM 2.0.x and MM 2.1.x are slightly 
different. For anonymous lists, MM 2.0.x substitutes its 
<listname>-admin address in the From: header of the outgoing message. 
In contrast, MM 2.1.x substitutes its <listname> address in the From: 
header of the outgoing message.

What is not clear is how your list admin (or rather his list 
subscribers) are seeing messages as being "from" the <listanme>-admin 
address:

1. If this is because you are running MM 2.0.x and the list has its 
anonymous_list attribute set then you could consider hacking the code 
so that, like MM 2.1.x, the From: header is rewritten to the list's 
<listname> address in outgoing mail. By my reckoning, from looking at 
the source code of $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Cleanse.py in MM 2.0.13, 
you would need to change line 31 in the process() function from:

         msg['From'] = mlist.GetAdminEmail()

to read:

         msg['From'] = mlist.GetListEmail()

I think this should be safe enough to do but caveat emptor and take a 
backup before making any change. I no longer have a live MM 2.0.13 to 
work with so I cannot absolutely confirm this change will not have any 
unpleasant side effects.

2. What I suspect is the more likely reason for this issue being raised 
by the list admin relates to what certain MUAs, some versions of MS 
Outlook in particular, display in the "From" field of the GUI they 
present to their users. If that is the case, there is not much you can 
do. There is some discussion about this issue in the MM FAQ, see:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp

Maybe not a solution and apologies if I am telling you what you already 
know, but it's the best I can do.

Regards

Richard

> - Staven
>
>  "I don't care if Ned Flanders is the nicest guy in the world. He's a 
> jerk -
> end of story."
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk]
> Sent:	Friday, October 24, 2003 10:09 AM
> To:	Staven Bruce
> Cc:	mailman-users at python.org
> Subject:	Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing "From" Field
>
>
> On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 05:38  pm, Staven Bruce wrote:
>
>> We have a mailing list called 'Workshop_Information'. Messages to our
>> list
>> members always come from 'Workshop_Information-admin at domain.com'. Does
>> anyone know of a way I can change that alias so that all of the
>> messages can
>> come from 'Workshop_Information at domain.com' ?
>
> Is this so that bounce messages for failed deliveries can be
> distributed to the rest of the list subscribers?
>
>> Can I just alter the
>> /etc/aliases files? Is that all there is to it?
>>
>
> /etc/aliases is about delivery not constructing outbound messages;
> changing it will not achieve what you think you want.
>
>> Staven Bruce
>>
>>  "I don't care if Ned Flanders is the nicest guy in the world. He's a
>> jerk -
>> end of story."
>
> Hey! He's my hero.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk
>



From WSpivak at sbanetweb.com  Wed Oct 29 02:24:18 2003
From: WSpivak at sbanetweb.com (Wayne Spivak)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:24:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enter new moderator password:
In-Reply-To: <3476.81.68.142.33.1067256781.squirrel@webmail.addrenaline.com>
Message-ID: <010901c39dbb$5f8717c0$1900a8c0@PRESIDENT>

Using 2.1.3 and can't get List Moderator's password to work.

When entered, MM says its acceptable (by not saying they don't match).

When entered from a virgin web page, MM says its invalid.

Any ideas???




From merle.reine at lindows.com  Wed Oct 29 02:38:06 2003
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:38:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
Message-ID: <3F9F19FE.2040403@lindows.com>

I have our domain setup via mailman and all of our lists work fine.  I 
can not however figure out how to add a second domain to mailman.  I 
need domain2 to be able to have mailing lists.  I edited the mm_cfg.py 
file as instructed and added to main.cf 
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual_mailman .  virtual_mailman has: 
domain2 in it.  ran genaliases /postfix reload .

When I go to add a new mailing list in mailman, I see no  option to 
select which domain the list should be on.  I want to create
sales at domain2 as a list but see no option in mailman to choose between 
the various virtual domains for lists.

Any ideas?




From webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org  Wed Oct 29 03:33:29 2003
From: webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org (Jeff D)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:33:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <3F9F19FE.2040403@lindows.com>
References: <3F9F19FE.2040403@lindows.com>
Message-ID: <1236.68.118.232.64.1067394809.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>


Merle Reine said:
> When I go to add a new mailing list in mailman, I see no  option to
> select which domain the list should be on.  I want to create
> sales at domain2 as a list but see no option in mailman to choose between
> the various virtual domains for lists.
>
> Any ideas?

bin/newlist sales at domain2

Then add the aliases to the appropriate aliases file for your MTA.

Current mailman does not allow lists of the same name in more than one
domain.

Hope that helps some.

Jeff D






From ryan at hack.net  Wed Oct 29 04:13:16 2003
From: ryan at hack.net (Ryan K. Brooks)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:13:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL issue
Message-ID: <3F9F304C.3020804@hack.net>

Has there been any resolution to the AOL mailer issue?




From jffortin at accovia.com  Wed Oct 29 04:24:10 2003
From: jffortin at accovia.com (Jean-Francois Fortin)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:24:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error when sending emails to new lists
Message-ID: <017401c39dcc$1e78d370$15fea8c0@homex417vfdunk>

Hi,
    When sending a email to a new list I have just created, I get this message in the error logs:



Oct 28 22:08:57 2003 (22441) Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no attribute 'items'
Oct 28 22:08:57 2003 (22441) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/soft/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/soft/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/soft/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/soft/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/soft/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 200, in process
    archiveurl = mlist.GetBaseArchiveURL()
  File "/usr/local/soft/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 135, in GetBaseArchiveURL
    for k, v in mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.items():
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'items'

Oct 28 22:08:57 2003 (22441) SHUNTING: 1067396937.030184+6897582f72da772ebc2a1a82c7795037c1f8903f


What did I do wrong?

Thanks
JF


From ocabeza at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 06:18:24 2003
From: ocabeza at yahoo.com (Oscar E. Cabeza)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:18:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages approved
Message-ID: <20031029051824.29449.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi.  I'm having trouble finding the setting to set whether the messages are to
be approved or not. I'm using Mailman 2.1.2  Can anyone help?

Thanks a million.

Oscar



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Oct 29 06:47:05 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:47:05 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Annoying messages...
In-Reply-To: <200310282251.h9SMp635013459@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com>
Message-ID: <5396EA4A-09D3-11D8-A45E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 10:58  pm, Anders Norrbring wrote:

> I get these e-mails all the time from my new 2.1.3 install, can 
> somebody
> please tell me what I missed out on?  I myself don't have a clue..
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?
>     from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ?
>     from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
> ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO
>

You should not be getting these messages from MM 2.1.3 because there 
should be no file $prefix/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py in the MM 2.1.3 
distribution. There was such a file in the MM 2.0.13 distribution.

This suggests that however you MM 2.1.3 was installed files associated 
with an earlier MM 2.0.x were not fully removed.

That the message comes from execution of /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner 
tends to confirm this analysis as no qrunner is executed as a cron job 
in MM 2.1.3. It looks as though the crontab from the MM 2.0.x release 
is still being used and is trying to run the old release's code.

As to why, how was Mailman installed? From source or some packaged 
distribution?

>
> Later!
>
> Anders Norrbring
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From jose at stat.ucla.edu  Wed Oct 29 06:55:55 2003
From: jose at stat.ucla.edu (Jose L. Hales-Garcia)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:55:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM-Stylesheet support in 2.1.3
Message-ID: <8F908FB6-09D4-11D8-A771-00039398ADC8@stat.ucla.edu>



Is the MM-Stylesheet patch written for 2.1.1 now a part of
2.1.3?  I'm running 2.1.2 and wondering whether to
apply the patch or upgrade.

Thanks in advance,
Jose




From anders at norrbring.biz  Wed Oct 29 08:37:54 2003
From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:37:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Annoying messages...
In-Reply-To: <5396EA4A-09D3-11D8-A45E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200310290730.h9T7UsuU003016@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com>

Thanks a lot Richard,

That was exectly the problem...  I had a 2.0 installation from the SuSE
distribution that I installed right over with the 2.1.3 from source.

After wiping out the old 2.0 via rpm and re-installation of 2.1.3,
everything works perfectly well!

Anders Norrbring

Norrbring Consulting
Halmv?gen 42
SE-691 48  Karlskoga
SWEDEN



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] 
Sent: den 29 oktober 2003 06:47
To: Anders Norrbring
Cc: Mailman users
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Annoying messages...


On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 10:58  pm, Anders Norrbring wrote:

> I get these e-mails all the time from my new 2.1.3 install, can 
> somebody
> please tell me what I missed out on?  I myself don't have a clue..
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?
>     from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ?
>     from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
> ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO
>

You should not be getting these messages from MM 2.1.3 because there 
should be no file $prefix/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py in the MM 2.1.3 
distribution. There was such a file in the MM 2.0.13 distribution.

This suggests that however you MM 2.1.3 was installed files associated 
with an earlier MM 2.0.x were not fully removed.

That the message comes from execution of /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner 
tends to confirm this analysis as no qrunner is executed as a cron job 
in MM 2.1.3. It looks as though the crontab from the MM 2.0.x release 
is still being used and is trying to run the old release's code.

As to why, how was Mailman installed? From source or some packaged 
distribution?

>
> Later!
>
> Anders Norrbring
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From tim at IntegraStrategic.com  Tue Oct 28 16:07:10 2003
From: tim at IntegraStrategic.com (Timothy Brooks)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:07:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment Hell -- please help
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031028095913.03546be0@www.IntegraStrategic.com>

I'm having a terrible time with the 2.1.2 upgrade.

Ever since the upgrade, anyone using Microsoft Exchange Server receives 
messages as an attachment.  So, using the new Content Filtering feature, I 
set filtering to Yes and instructed Mailman to convert text/html parts to 
plain text.  This seemed to work, but then no one could send attachments.

So, within the area marked "Remove message attachments that don't have a 
matching content type."  I added:

multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain

Didn't help.  So, I added:

image

Didn't help.  Still can't add images.

Finally, I added:

image/jpeg
image/jpg
image/gif

. . . but we still can't add images.  I've attached a screen shot of my 
resulting Content Filtering page.

This is a list for alumni of a college singing group.  Most messages don't 
contain images, but occasionally people pass around old photos.

Can anyone help?

Thanks.

Tim





_______________________________________________
Integra Strategic Technologies Consulting, LLC
164 Middle Street, Suite 2
Portland, Maine 04101
207.871-8008
http://www.IntegraStrategic.com . tim at IntegraStrategic.com


From Pascal.Blanchette at mapadire.ca  Tue Oct 28 18:54:58 2003
From: Pascal.Blanchette at mapadire.ca (Pascal Blanchette)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:54:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Debian
Message-ID: <C0231974FC93D6118661000021A46625BF28@mp3203.mapadire.ca>

Hi,
 
I was wondering if there was a reason why the only Mailman version available
as a stable debian package is version 2.0.11?
Version 2.1.3 is marked as unstable. Is the new version still in beta or is
it ready to be deployed on a production site. In other words, would you
recommend upgrading from 2.0.11 to 2.1.3 on a production site that uses
mailman extensibly?
 
Thank you for your answer,

Pascal Blanchette 

 


From JJacobus at SurplusRecord.net  Tue Oct 28 22:01:27 2003
From: JJacobus at SurplusRecord.net (J Jacobus)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:01:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests: Can I create one ad-hoc?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031028145812.02e43df0@mail.ponyx.com>

A number of subscribers to a mailing list did not receive messages for the 
past couple of days do to a spam block. I'd like to create a digest from 
this week's archive file and send it to them. Is there anyway to create a 
digest from the archive files? For reasons too complicated to explain, we 
do not want to give them access to the archives.




From puffmail at darksleep.com  Wed Oct 29 09:19:34 2003
From: puffmail at darksleep.com (Steven J. Owens)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 03:19:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman locks directory
In-Reply-To: <1067329633.3334.95.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20031027193752.GB29918@darksleep.com>
	<1067329633.3334.95.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20031029081934.GA10241@darksleep.com>

Jon,

On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 03:27:13AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> >      How dangerous is it to muck with the locks directory of a mailman
> > install?
> >      I'm trying to figure out why my mailman installation doesn't send
> > messages through.  [...]
> >      I'm wondering if there might be a way to kick-start mailman
> > again, maybe by removing the lock files.  But would this be dangerous?
> > I'm not worried about the messages that haven't gone out, at this
> > point, just about getting things moving again.
> 
> You should definitely look at FAQ 3.14.
>
> Also, you *really* need to tell us what version of Mailman you are using
> and what OS (and anything interesting about your system: like it's
> running in a chroot session on a vax cluster inside a vmware install of
> win2k running cygwin with python version 1.2 - oh yeah, baby! and for
> some reason, Mailman won't install...)

     Debian woody, mailman 2.0.3.  

     I ended up apt-get installing mailman 2.1.3, which also meant I
had to do the following:

# newlist mailman
...paste the mailman aliases into /etc/aliases...
# newaliases
# config_list -i /var/lib/mailman/data/sitelist.cfg mailman
# /etc/init.d/mailman restart

     This seemed to work, the pending messages went through and all
messages have gone through quickly since then.  I'm not sure if I
missed anything having to do with sitelist.

-- 
Steven J. Owens
puff at darksleep.com

"I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong,
 declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and
 this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read.
 Take it all with a grain of salt." - Me at http://darksleep.com




From webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org  Wed Oct 29 16:27:14 2003
From: webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org (Jeff D)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:27:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Debian
In-Reply-To: <C0231974FC93D6118661000021A46625BF28@mp3203.mapadire.ca>
References: <C0231974FC93D6118661000021A46625BF28@mp3203.mapadire.ca>
Message-ID: <21460.161.114.64.73.1067441234.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>


Pascal Blanchette said:
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if there was a reason why the only Mailman version
> available as a stable debian package is version 2.0.11?
> Version 2.1.3 is marked as unstable.

That is just the way Debian is. "Stable" is ultra conservative. "Testing"
has more recent packages. "Unstable" is bleeding edge.

http://www.debian.org/releases/

> Is the new version still in beta or
> is it ready to be deployed on a production site. In other words, would
> you recommend upgrading from 2.0.11 to 2.1.3 on a production site that
> uses mailman extensibly?

I would say Mailman 2.1 itself is fine for production. I've been using
2.1.2 on a light duty server with about 5 lists for two months now and
haven't had any major problems.

Jeff D






From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Wed Oct 29 16:35:01 2003
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:35:01 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Debian
In-Reply-To: <C0231974FC93D6118661000021A46625BF28@mp3203.mapadire.ca>
References: <C0231974FC93D6118661000021A46625BF28@mp3203.mapadire.ca>
Message-ID: <1067441701.7020.42.camel@angua.localnet>

On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 17:54, Pascal Blanchette wrote:
> I was wondering if there was a reason why the only Mailman version available
> as a stable debian package is version 2.0.11?

Debian has a strange terminology.  They tend to use "stable" where other
people would use "obsolete".

Many of the packages in stable are substantially ancient - exim for
example is an exim 3 version despite exim4 having been around for nearly
2 years.  When debian get round to releasing a new release then stable
will become less obsolete.

> Version 2.1.3 is marked as unstable. Is the new version still in beta or is
> it ready to be deployed on a production site. In other words, would you
> recommend upgrading from 2.0.11 to 2.1.3 on a production site that uses
> mailman extensibly?

On a new site use 2.1.x.  I don't know if debian Mailman packages are
reliable, but I tend to always build Mailman from source on the boxes
themselves - pretty much the only package I do this with.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]




From pamphima at carec.paho.org  Wed Oct 29 16:32:02 2003
From: pamphima at carec.paho.org (Pamphile, Mr. Marcel (CEC))
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:32:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to move Mailman archives from one host to
	another 
Message-ID: <60EA07AB2261D511BF1200805FBBCB61D478EB@PAHOCEC1>

Hi everyone,

I know this is a newbie question but...

How do I move a Mailman archive from one host to another ?


Thanks in advance

Marcel Pamphile
http://carec.org




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 16:40:29 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 29 Oct 2003 10:40:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Debian
In-Reply-To: <C0231974FC93D6118661000021A46625BF28@mp3203.mapadire.ca>
References: <C0231974FC93D6118661000021A46625BF28@mp3203.mapadire.ca>
Message-ID: <1067442028.3253.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I'm not a Debian guru, but I imagine that the reason 2.1.3 is not
available on stable is that it simply has not been out long enough.
Also, version 2.1.3 requires a relatively modern version of Python on
the server.

The real question to ask the Debian guru's is: why aren't they using
version 2.0.13! Version 2.0.11 has some known bugs.

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 12:54, Pascal Blanchette wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I was wondering if there was a reason why the only Mailman version available
> as a stable debian package is version 2.0.11?
> Version 2.1.3 is marked as unstable. Is the new version still in beta or is
> it ready to be deployed on a production site. In other words, would you
> recommend upgrading from 2.0.11 to 2.1.3 on a production site that uses
> mailman extensibly?
>  
> Thank you for your answer,
> 
> Pascal Blanchette 
> 
>  
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 16:43:31 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 29 Oct 2003 10:43:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages approved
In-Reply-To: <20031029051824.29449.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031029051824.29449.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1067442211.3253.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 00:18, Oscar E. Cabeza wrote:
> Hi.  I'm having trouble finding the setting to set whether the messages are to
> be approved or not. I'm using Mailman 2.1.2  Can anyone help?
> 
> Thanks a million.
> 
> Oscar

That functionality is in multiple places, but if you want *all* messages
to be moderated, then look under Membership Management and toggle the
Moderate bit for every member of the list (there is a radio button that
will toggle the whole list).

Other than that look in the Privacy Option pages for various other
Moderation criteria.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From ltussing at DIST.IST.UCF.EDU  Wed Oct 29 17:09:40 2003
From: ltussing at DIST.IST.UCF.EDU (Tussing, Leith)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:09:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface question.
Message-ID: <00024B2445A37046ACA96D5A600AED327D8B37@ns2.dist.ist.ucf.edu>

If this is a repetitive question I apologize for that.  I looked and was unable to find anything useful on this topic to help me.

We're in the process of setting up a mailman server for some of our clients for the first time.
Our boss wants to give the clients access to the web interface, but we would prefer not to have users accessing this machine directly at all for anything.  Currently we have mail being smart hosted to it, and the machine locked down so that only the smart host can talk to the mailman server at all.

My question is, is there a way to run the web interface from another web server (preferably not using the NFS method because all of the other machines are Windows machines)?  If someone could point me to any resources about this topic it would be greatly appreciated.  We've thought about writing some web applications that would craft emails in the correct form to be used as a remote web interface, but our boss does not wish us to take the time right now to create such scripts.  If someone knew where I could find some scripts already made that would be great as well.

-Leith Tussing




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Wed Oct 29 18:02:57 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:02:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman and Debian
In-Reply-To: <C0231974FC93D6118661000021A46625BF28@mp3203.mapadire.ca>
References: <C0231974FC93D6118661000021A46625BF28@mp3203.mapadire.ca>
Message-ID: <20031029170257.GE20503@hq.newdream.net>

On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 12:54:58PM -0500, Pascal Blanchette wrote:
  
> I was wondering if there was a reason why the only Mailman version available
> as a stable debian package is version 2.0.11?
> Version 2.1.3 is marked as unstable. Is the new version still in beta or is
> it ready to be deployed on a production site. In other words, would you
> recommend upgrading from 2.0.11 to 2.1.3 on a production site that uses
> mailman extensibly?

You probably want to either backport the package from sarge, find an
existing backport, or else build Mailman from source. I often do the
latter, but use the configure layout from the Debian package.

There does not seem to be a backport at http://www.backports.org/
currently, but you might be able to convince them to do it.
 
Otherwise, you want to *tempoarily* add a line for sarge or unstable in
your sources list ONLY for the source packages; download the Mailman
source package, and build it (fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage, IIRC). You'll
need to have fakeroot and debhelper packages installed on the build
machine.

You may need to backport some additional packages as either build
depends (only needed on the building machine) or actual depends for the
install.

-- 
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Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")




From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co  Wed Oct 29 18:18:19 2003
From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:18:19 -0500 (COT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bugs in Mailman 2.1.3,
	one critical for private mailists
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0310291147120.23530-100000@patascoy.ovsp.gov.co>

I found that Mailman 2.1.3 has a serious bug, accessing to the private
mailman archives and the membership options page, when a user changes his
password. The web authentication simply fails.

The other bug is this: the email command 'set delivery' (on/off) doesn't
work.

Please, read the complete bugs report at:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/msg06638.html

Some idea?. Thanks in advance,

Pablo Chamorro C.




From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Wed Oct 29 18:35:19 2003
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:35:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bugs in Mailman 2.1.3,
	one critical for private mailists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0310291147120.23530-100000@patascoy.ovsp.gov.co>
Message-ID: <443E3698-0A36-11D8-8DB6-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>

On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 11:18 AM, Pablo Chamorro C. wrote:
> I found that Mailman 2.1.3 has a serious bug, accessing to the private
> mailman archives and the membership options page, when a user changes  
> his
> password. The web authentication simply fails.
>
> The other bug is this: the email command 'set delivery' (on/off)  
> doesn't
> work.
>
> Please, read the complete bugs report at:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ 
> msg06638.html
>
> Some idea?. Thanks in advance,
>

I am unable to to reproduce those problems. Is this a new update to  
2.1.3 from a 2.0.x version? If so, then the problem is most likely the  
users in question need to clear all old mailman cookies from their  
browsers before the 2.1.x web interface will work. Is this is not the  
case, then I have no idea :-)

DP




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Oct 29 18:57:50 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:57:50 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface question.
In-Reply-To: <00024B2445A37046ACA96D5A600AED327D8B37@ns2.dist.ist.ucf.edu>
Message-ID: <694B3CC3-0A39-11D8-A45E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 04:09  pm, Tussing, Leith wrote:

> If this is a repetitive question I apologize for that.  I looked and 
> was unable to find anything useful on this topic to help me.
>
> We're in the process of setting up a mailman server for some of our 
> clients for the first time.
> Our boss wants to give the clients access to the web interface, but we 
> would prefer not to have users accessing this machine directly at all 
> for anything.  Currently we have mail being smart hosted to it, and 
> the machine locked down so that only the smart host can talk to the 
> mailman server at all.
>
> My question is, is there a way to run the web interface from another 
> web server (preferably not using the NFS method because all of the 
> other machines are Windows machines)?  If someone could point me to 
> any resources about this topic it would be greatly appreciated.  We've 
> thought about writing some web applications that would craft emails in 
> the correct form to be used as a remote web interface, but our boss 
> does not wish us to take the time right now to create such scripts.  
> If someone knew where I could find some scripts already made that 
> would be great as well.
>

Whether what I am about to say is acceptable depends on interpretation 
of your requirement "not to have users accessing this machine directly 
at all for anything".

If you mean that in satisfying a client access to the Mailman web 
interface nothing may execute on the machine running Mailman and a web 
server on it then read no further.

If you are prepared to interpret the requirement as meaning that the 
client's machine may not make a direct HTTP connection to the Mailman 
machine and its web server then read on.

You could take the approach of having your Mailman server "hide" behind 
another machine, capable of proxying HTTP requests, that you are 
prepared to allow your clients to connect to. This would allow the 
Mailman machine to live in a private network and be inaccessible for 
direct connection from machines other than your HTTP proxy server and 
the mail relay through which mail is delivered to it and through which 
the Mailman server directs its outgoing mail.

Using Apache with mod_proxy and mod_rewrite on a publicly visible 
server it is simple to set it up to selectively proxy requests for 
Mailman URLs and make requests to the "hidden" Mailman server on behalf 
of the client browser. You need to set one or two options the right way 
in Mailman's config file and Mailman will not readily be able to 
support multiple virtual domains when operating this way. You would 
need to set:

1. the DEFAULT_URL_HOST to point to the machine proxying for the 
Mailman server so that the URL's generated on Mailman web pages point 
to that machine and NOT the Mailman server itself.

2. the VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW should be off because Mailman is not 
seeing the original request but the one coming from the proxy server on 
behalf of the user's client browser.

You will also need to be careful about the structure of the URI's on 
the proxy server that map to the URI's on the Mailman machine's web 
server. Ideally, I would use the same URI's to obviate any snags; so if 
the http://proxy.your.public.domain/mailman/listinfo/<listname> would 
map to http://mmserver.your.private.domain/mailman/listinfo/<listname> 
and http://proxy.your.public.domain/pipermail/<listname> to 
http://mmserver.your.private.domain/pipermail/<listname>

Using this approach I run Mailman servers on private IP numbers that 
are publicly inaccessible but whose web interfaces are reached via our 
public web server, which in turn is only reachable through a reverse 
proxying Squid server on the external subnet of our firewall. Mail 
delivery goes through our publicly reachable mail relay which delivers 
to the private IP number Mailman server.

It may be arguable whether this proxying approach really improves 
security. I tend to the view that the fewer machines that have to be 
fully hardened to allow them to be directly accessible from outside the 
firewall the better but that is just one opinion.

I assume from what you have said that the web servers you are prepared 
to let you users communicate with are on some form of Window box. I do 
not know what is involved is setting up an MS web server on such a 
system to do the proxying I am suggesting. Setting up an existing 
Apache server with mod_proxy and mod_rewrite available to it for this 
purpose is really trivial to do with some RewriteRule directives.

> -Leith Tussing
>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From merle.reine at lindows.com  Wed Oct 29 19:13:24 2003
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:13:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <1236.68.118.232.64.1067394809.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>
References: <3F9F19FE.2040403@lindows.com>
	<1236.68.118.232.64.1067394809.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>
Message-ID: <3FA00344.4000508@lindows.com>

Here is something odd (or maybe it is supposed to be this way).

I setup mailman for virtual domains and when I added a new mailing list 
via the web interface, it answered mail for the new domain.

i.e.

I added domain2 as a virtual domain and there is no option to choose 
which domain the list is created for when creating the list from the web 
interface.  However, when I sent to newlist at domain2 it goes.  How does 
the web interface know what domain to create the list for when it does 
not give you the option of domain1 or domain2?  Or, does it accept 
list1 at domain1 and list1 at domain2 when you create a list1?

Jeff D wrote:

>Merle Reine said:
>  
>
>>When I go to add a new mailing list in mailman, I see no  option to
>>select which domain the list should be on.  I want to create
>>sales at domain2 as a list but see no option in mailman to choose between
>>the various virtual domains for lists.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>    
>>
>
>bin/newlist sales at domain2
>
>Then add the aliases to the appropriate aliases file for your MTA.
>
>Current mailman does not allow lists of the same name in more than one
>domain.
>
>Hope that helps some.
>
>Jeff D
>
>
>
>
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From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Wed Oct 29 19:06:57 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:06:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface question.
In-Reply-To: <00024B2445A37046ACA96D5A600AED327D8B37@ns2.dist.ist.ucf.edu>
References: <00024B2445A37046ACA96D5A600AED327D8B37@ns2.dist.ist.ucf.edu>
Message-ID: <3FA001C1.3000104@mitre.org>

Leith,

I suppose you could use Samba instead of NFS to share drives with 
Windows machines.  Samba 3.0 is out and worth looking at.

Tussing, Leith wrote:

>My question is, is there a way to run the web interface from another web server (preferably not using the NFS method because all of the other machines are Windows machines)?  
>
-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own







From ocabeza at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 19:51:04 2003
From: ocabeza at yahoo.com (Oscar E. Cabeza)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:51:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages approved
In-Reply-To: <1067442211.3253.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20031029185104.99057.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>

The problem is that I don't want to moderate the messages, but they are coming up for me to moderate them.  I do have the option under membership management set to 'no' and I don't see anywhere else I can set this list to be unmoderated.  Can you point me to the category it is under?
Thanks.
 
Oscar

Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 00:18, Oscar E. Cabeza wrote:
> Hi. I'm having trouble finding the setting to set whether the messages are to
> be approved or not. I'm using Mailman 2.1.2 Can anyone help?
> 
> Thanks a million.
> 
> Oscar

That functionality is in multiple places, but if you want *all* messages
to be moderated, then look under Membership Management and toggle the
Moderate bit for every member of the list (there is a radio button that
will toggle the whole list).

Other than that look in the Privacy Option pages for various other
Moderation criteria.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes


From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Oct 29 19:51:21 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:51:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: AOL issue
In-Reply-To: <E1AEsHz-00013t-OY@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AEsHz-00013t-OY@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031029121111.086bda68@mail.thcwd.com>

Ryan wrote:
>Has there been any resolution to the AOL mailer issue?

      Is there an issue, and if so what is it?  I have setting that match 
those which were reported to be a problem and mail goes to AOL just 
fine.  I have several hundred AOL users receiving mail on a dozen lists, 
and yet my AOL bounces for the last 48 hours are 9 - and I assume some of 
those were one account bouncing two days running.

      I also asked on one list if AOL members would let me know if they 
were getting mail and how - and I got plenty of responses from both single 
e-mail and digest users.  I'm not saying there is no problem but it does no 
seem to be wide spread, and clearly it can be dealt with from this side of 
AOL's iron curtain.

      I have heard a rumour that AOL's new spam filters are rejecting mail 
that has URLs as dotted quad addresses.  If your server is identifying URLs 
this way it would be something to look into.


<>< Paul 




From fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org  Wed Oct 29 19:45:39 2003
From: fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org (Fuzzy)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:45:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Cron <root@pooh> /usr/local/bin/mlist3.sh
In-Reply-To: <200310290815.h9T8F87r020773@pooh.ASARian.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0310291337500.6024-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>


FreeBSD 4.7-Rel
Python 2.2.1
Sendmail 8.12.6

I'm still getting this daily on a number of
cron driven jobs.

Running the ~mailman/bin/list_lists script by hand as
user mailman also returns the same error.

Is there a way to repair the pickle file?

> cPickle.UnpicklingError: member is not safe for unpickling

Thanks in advance.

Fuzzy


On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Cron Daemon wrote:

> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 122, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 94, in main
>     mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 570, in Load
>     dict, e = self.__load(file)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 543, in __load
>     dict = loadfunc(fp)
> cPickle.UnpicklingError: member is not safe for unpickling
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 122, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 94, in main
>     mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 570, in Load
>     dict, e = self.__load(file)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 543, in __load
>     dict = loadfunc(fp)
> cPickle.UnpicklingError: member is not safe for unpickling
> chown: /tmp/*.lst: No such file or directory
> chmod: /tmp/*.lst: No such file or directory
> /usr/bin/tar: *.lst: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
> /usr/bin/tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
>

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From ed at easent.net  Wed Oct 29 20:01:08 2003
From: ed at easent.net (Ed)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:01:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: AOL issue
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031029121111.086bda68@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <E1AEsHz-00013t-OY@mail.python.org>
	<E1AEsHz-00013t-OY@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20031029135747.03031b40@mail.easent.net>

We have had significant issues with AOL's new "filters".  These filters 
also seem to attack certain MIME configurations.  While we haven't had 
significant issues with Mailman per se, we have had with our web log 
reporting engine which builds all those lovely charts and graphs into a 
MIME encoded message which is large.  I'd be looking at those AOL filters 
as the culprit.

To fix Mailman you can probably strip MIME encoding from the messages and 
resolve the issue...  for now, until AOL adds some other moronic feature.

HTH
--Ed

At 12:51 PM 10/29/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Ryan wrote:
>>Has there been any resolution to the AOL mailer issue?
>
>      Is there an issue, and if so what is it?  I have setting that match 
> those which were reported to be a problem and mail goes to AOL just 
> fine.  I have several hundred AOL users receiving mail on a dozen lists, 
> and yet my AOL bounces for the last 48 hours are 9 - and I assume some of 
> those were one account bouncing two days running.
>
>      I also asked on one list if AOL members would let me know if they 
> were getting mail and how - and I got plenty of responses from both 
> single e-mail and digest users.  I'm not saying there is no problem but 
> it does no seem to be wide spread, and clearly it can be dealt with from 
> this side of AOL's iron curtain.
>
>      I have heard a rumour that AOL's new spam filters are rejecting mail 
> that has URLs as dotted quad addresses.  If your server is identifying 
> URLs this way it would be something to look into.
>
>
><>< Paul
>
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From merle.reine at lindows.com  Wed Oct 29 20:16:02 2003
From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:16:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <3FA00344.4000508@lindows.com>
References: <3F9F19FE.2040403@lindows.com>	<1236.68.118.232.64.1067394809.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>
	<3FA00344.4000508@lindows.com>
Message-ID: <3FA011F2.6020806@lindows.com>

It does appear that whatever mailing list you create, i.e. list1 is 
available to all domains and virtual domains.

For example,

I have domain1, domain2, domain3.

I create a mailing list of cust_help .  I can then email to 
cust_help at domain1 or cust_help at domain2 or cust_help at domain3.

This not very good.  I have used many other mailing list managers and 
this is not the case and I am able to have the same list name under each 
domain and virtual domain be a seperate list.

Merle Reine wrote:

> Here is something odd (or maybe it is supposed to be this way).
>
> I setup mailman for virtual domains and when I added a new mailing 
> list via the web interface, it answered mail for the new domain.
>
> i.e.
>
> I added domain2 as a virtual domain and there is no option to choose 
> which domain the list is created for when creating the list from the 
> web interface.  However, when I sent to newlist at domain2 it goes.  How 
> does the web interface know what domain to create the list for when it 
> does not give you the option of domain1 or domain2?  Or, does it 
> accept list1 at domain1 and list1 at domain2 when you create a list1?
>
> Jeff D wrote:
>
>> Merle Reine said:
>>  
>>
>>> When I go to add a new mailing list in mailman, I see no  option to
>>> select which domain the list should be on.  I want to create
>>> sales at domain2 as a list but see no option in mailman to choose between
>>> the various virtual domains for lists.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>   
>>
>>
>> bin/newlist sales at domain2
>>
>> Then add the aliases to the appropriate aliases file for your MTA.
>>
>> Current mailman does not allow lists of the same name in more than one
>> domain.
>>
>> Hope that helps some.
>>
>> Jeff D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
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>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> Searchable Archives: 
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>> This message was sent to: merle.reine at lindows.com
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From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Wed Oct 29 20:13:25 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:13:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages approved
In-Reply-To: <20031029185104.99057.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031029185104.99057.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FA01155.6070706@mitre.org>

Oscar,

Here are some things to check.

1.  General Options.  Is Emergency Moderation set to Yes?
2.  Membership Management.  Moderation Bit.  Could it be that some 
members have the moderation bit set?  You could check Off and Set it for 
everyone.
3.  Privacy Options -> Sender Filters.  There are combinations of 
settings here that would result in moderated messages.

HTH.

Oscar E. Cabeza wrote:

>The problem is that I don't want to moderate the messages, but they are coming up for me to moderate them.  I do have the option under membership management set to 'no' and I don't see anywhere else I can set this list to be unmoderated.  Can you point me to the category it is under?
>Thanks.
>  
>

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own







From wfroning at pacific.edu  Wed Oct 29 20:33:19 2003
From: wfroning at pacific.edu (Will Froning)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:33:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: AOL issue
In-Reply-To: <E1AEvds-0002pe-Uu@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AEvds-0002pe-Uu@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20031029113319.150b8438.wfroning@pacific.edu>

Just saw this today.  May not be related, but still something to be aware of.

220-America Online (AOL) and its affiliated companies do not
220-     authorize the use of its proprietary computers and computer
220-     networks to accept, transmit, or distribute unsolicited bulk
220-     e-mail sent from the internet.  Effective immediately:  AOL 
220-     may no longer accept connections from IP addresses which 
220      have no reverse-DNS (PTR record) assigned.

Will

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:06:04 -0500
mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:

> From: Paul H Byerly <paul at thcwd.com>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: AOL issue
> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:51:21 -0600
> 
> Ryan wrote:
> >Has there been any resolution to the AOL mailer issue?
> 
>       Is there an issue, and if so what is it?  I have setting that match 
> those which were reported to be a problem and mail goes to AOL just 
> fine.  I have several hundred AOL users receiving mail on a dozen lists, 
> and yet my AOL bounces for the last 48 hours are 9 - and I assume some of 
> those were one account bouncing two days running.
> 
>       I also asked on one list if AOL members would let me know if they 
> were getting mail and how - and I got plenty of responses from both single 
> e-mail and digest users.  I'm not saying there is no problem but it does no 
> seem to be wide spread, and clearly it can be dealt with from this side of 
> AOL's iron curtain.
> 
>       I have heard a rumour that AOL's new spam filters are rejecting mail 
> that has URLs as dotted quad addresses.  If your server is identifying URLs 
> this way it would be something to look into.
> 
> 
> <>< Paul 

-- 
Will Froning
Unix Sys. Admin.
(209)946-7470
(209)662-4725
wfroning at pacific.edu



From silvan.kaiser at dai-labor.de  Wed Oct 29 20:35:56 2003
From: silvan.kaiser at dai-labor.de (Silvan Kaiser)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:35:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman without web interface & mail
	reception problems
Message-ID: <3FA0169C.4090107@dai-labor.de>

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Hi ppl,
just installed mailman, made my way through the configuration and got
stopped, two issues:
I want to use the email interface only, no web interface at all (maybe i
integrate it later on). Is this possible? What would be entered in the
web_page_url option?
And the second one. When trying to subscribe my own list an error was
returned, 'mylistname' in 'mylistname at mydomain' was not recognized
("unknown local part"), as there's no user 'mylistname' on the machine
this seems ok. How does mailman receive his list emails? What else but
new_list do i have to run to get the lists working?

Thanks for any replies & bye
				Silvan



- --
Dipl.-Inform. Silvan Kaiser
Technische Universit?t Berlin / DAI Labor
mailto:Silvan.Kaiser at dai-labor.de
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From khera at kcilink.com  Wed Oct 29 20:38:01 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:38:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: AOL issue
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031029121111.086bda68@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <E1AEsHz-00013t-OY@mail.python.org>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031029121111.086bda68@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <16288.5913.712457.790599@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "PHB" == Paul H Byerly <Paul> writes:

PHB> I have heard a rumour that AOL's new spam filters are rejecting
PHB> mail that has URLs as dotted quad addresses.  If your server is

no rumor. they say they do it on their "postmaster" web site.

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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Internet: khera at kciLink.com       Rockville, MD       +1-240-453-8497
AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera   http://www.khera.org/~vivek/



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 21:15:31 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 29 Oct 2003 15:15:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <3FA011F2.6020806@lindows.com>
References: <3F9F19FE.2040403@lindows.com>
	<1236.68.118.232.64.1067394809.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>
	<3FA00344.4000508@lindows.com>  <3FA011F2.6020806@lindows.com>
Message-ID: <1067458530.3253.80.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Under Privacy Options in the web-admin there is a setting that indicates
which list names are acceptable.  Make sure it is set to only allow
listname at domain2 (or whatever).

HtH - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 14:16, Merle Reine wrote:
> It does appear that whatever mailing list you create, i.e. list1 is 
> available to all domains and virtual domains.
> 
> For example,
> 
> I have domain1, domain2, domain3.
> 
> I create a mailing list of cust_help .  I can then email to 
> cust_help at domain1 or cust_help at domain2 or cust_help at domain3.
> 
> This not very good.  I have used many other mailing list managers and 
> this is not the case and I am able to have the same list name under each 
> domain and virtual domain be a seperate list.
> 
> Merle Reine wrote:
> 
> > Here is something odd (or maybe it is supposed to be this way).
> >
> > I setup mailman for virtual domains and when I added a new mailing 
> > list via the web interface, it answered mail for the new domain.
> >
> > i.e.
> >
> > I added domain2 as a virtual domain and there is no option to choose 
> > which domain the list is created for when creating the list from the 
> > web interface.  However, when I sent to newlist at domain2 it goes.  How 
> > does the web interface know what domain to create the list for when it 
> > does not give you the option of domain1 or domain2?  Or, does it 
> > accept list1 at domain1 and list1 at domain2 when you create a list1?
> >
> > Jeff D wrote:
> >
> >> Merle Reine said:
> >>  
> >>
> >>> When I go to add a new mailing list in mailman, I see no  option to
> >>> select which domain the list should be on.  I want to create
> >>> sales at domain2 as a list but see no option in mailman to choose between
> >>> the various virtual domains for lists.
> >>>
> >>> Any ideas?
> >>>   
> >>
> >>
> >> bin/newlist sales at domain2
> >>
> >> Then add the aliases to the appropriate aliases file for your MTA.
> >>
> >> Current mailman does not allow lists of the same name in more than one
> >> domain.
> >>
> >> Hope that helps some.
> >>
> >> Jeff D
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------
> >> Mailman-Users mailing list
> >> Mailman-Users at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >> Searchable Archives: 
> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >>
> >> This message was sent to: merle.reine at lindows.com
> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/merle.reine%40lindows.com
> >>  
> >>
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: 
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: merle.reine at lindows.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/merle.reine%40lindows.com
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From ryan at hack.net  Wed Oct 29 21:03:47 2003
From: ryan at hack.net (Ryan K. Brooks)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:03:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: AOL issue
In-Reply-To: <16288.5913.712457.790599@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
References: <E1AEsHz-00013t-OY@mail.python.org>	<6.0.0.22.0.20031029121111.086bda68@mail.thcwd.com>
	<16288.5913.712457.790599@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
Message-ID: <3FA01D23.3060403@hack.net>

Vivek Khera wrote:

>>>>>>"PHB" == Paul H Byerly <Paul> writes:
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>
>PHB> I have heard a rumour that AOL's new spam filters are rejecting
>PHB> mail that has URLs as dotted quad addresses.  If your server is
>
>no rumor. they say they do it on their "postmaster" web site.
>
>  
>
Since I'm not hiding "dotted-quad" URLs and my reverse DNS is in order, 
I must be affected by their MIME filters.

Is there a global setting that I can change to force all of my output to 
plaintext?

Thanks,

Ryan




From ptsjohol at cc.jyu.fi  Wed Oct 29 23:26:52 2003
From: ptsjohol at cc.jyu.fi (Pasi Sjoholm)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:26:52 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe_policy problem?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310300026310.7080-100000@silmu.st.jyu.fi>

Hello,

I set up a mailman today and now I have a little problem. I have this 
corporate mailing list and I have set unsubscribe_policy to yes for that 
list but still users can unsubscribe via web gui after they have clicked 
the unsubscribe and confirmed that they really want to unsubscribe via 
email.

I'm using Mailman 2.1.2... is this a bug or what?

--
Pasi Sj?holm





From ptsjohol at cc.jyu.fi  Thu Oct 30 00:19:54 2003
From: ptsjohol at cc.jyu.fi (Pasi Sjoholm)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:19:54 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe_policy problem?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310300026310.7080-100000@silmu.st.jyu.fi>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310300117330.8133-100000@silmu.st.jyu.fi>

This is possible when user is not logged in but when logged there will be 
a request to unsubscribe user "x" for list admin. So.. it's a bug =) I 
also tested it on 2.2.3.

--
Pasi Sj?holm


On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Pasi Sjoholm wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I set up a mailman today and now I have a little problem. I have this 
> corporate mailing list and I have set unsubscribe_policy to yes for that 
> list but still users can unsubscribe via web gui after they have clicked 
> the unsubscribe and confirmed that they really want to unsubscribe via 
> email.
> 
> I'm using Mailman 2.1.2... is this a bug or what?
> 
> --
> Pasi Sj?holm
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: ptsjohol at cc.jyu.fi
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ptsjohol%40cc.jyu.fi
> 
> 
> 




From adamalex at nerim.net  Thu Oct 30 03:57:46 2003
From: adamalex at nerim.net (adamalex at nerim.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:57:46 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper configuration pb.
Message-ID: <2669.213.41.134.103.1067482666.squirrel@webmail.nerim.net>

hello,

I've one problem with the wrapper. When I use the command :
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post list-toto
the log is :
"Cannot read wrapper configuration file."

What's the solution ? I can't find it.

I use mailman 2.0.13-60 with postfix.
alex.





From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Oct 30 04:27:49 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:27:49 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: AOL issue
In-Reply-To: <E1AF33V-0003uH-04@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AF33V-0003uH-04@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031029212228.086f7a30@mail.thcwd.com>

Vivek Khera wrote:
> >>>>> "PHB" == Paul H Byerly <Paul> writes:
>
>PHB> I have heard a rumour that AOL's new spam filters are rejecting
>PHB> mail that has URLs as dotted quad addresses.  If your server is
>
>no rumor. they say they do it on their "postmaster" web site.

      Actually it says they "may" reject them.  Also says "may" for IP 
addresses without PTR record.  Since several entries before this say they 
"will not" I guess they just throw the dice or something to see what the 
policy of the day is?
      And that page has not changed in 5 months, which is really no help at 
all.


<>< Paul 




From jbentley at erin.gov.au  Thu Oct 30 06:16:07 2003
From: jbentley at erin.gov.au (Jonathan Bentley)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:16:07 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken links in administrative interface
Message-ID: <200310300516.h9U5G7O07642@theia.erin.gov.au>

Hi,

  I've successfully installed mailman on our server and have created a test list 
or two.  While I can access the list through the web interface, all the links in 
the main menu have the wrong url, so I cannot modify any of the list settings.
  
  For us, mailman is accessed through a url resembling:
  
  http://www.aaa.bbb.gov.au/cgi-bin/mailman
  
  However, for some unknown reason the links on the mailman admin page point to:

  http://www.aaa.gov.au/cgi-bin/mailman, which happens to be another of our web 
servers.

  I have grepped all the files in the mailman tree to find any references to 
"www.aaa.gov.au" and none were found.  I am mystified.  Where can this URL be 
coming from?

  For reference, the mm_cfg.py file has had the following added to it:
  
---
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.aaa.bbb.gov.au'
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'www.aaa.bbb.gov.au'

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'ccc.aaa.gov.au'

add_virtualhost('www.aaa.bbb.gov.au', 'ccc.aaa.gov.au')

  
  I've waded through a mountain of mailman posts/documentation/FAQs and cannot 
find a solution to this problem, let alone anyone with a similar problem.
  
  Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
  
  Cheers,
  
Jon.




From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Oct 30 06:47:31 2003
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:47:31 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken links in administrative interface
In-Reply-To: <200310300516.h9U5G7O07642@theia.erin.gov.au>
Message-ID: <8DD1436A-0A9C-11D8-A45E-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>


On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 05:16  am, Jonathan Bentley wrote:

> Hi,
>
>   I've successfully installed mailman on our server and have created a 
> test list
> or two.  While I can access the list through the web interface, all 
> the links in
> the main menu have the wrong url, so I cannot modify any of the list 
> settings.
>
>   For us, mailman is accessed through a url resembling:
>
>   http://www.aaa.bbb.gov.au/cgi-bin/mailman
>
>   However, for some unknown reason the links on the mailman admin page 
> point to:
>
>   http://www.aaa.gov.au/cgi-bin/mailman, which happens to be another 
> of our web
> servers.
>
>   I have grepped all the files in the mailman tree to find any 
> references to
> "www.aaa.gov.au" and none were found.  I am mystified.  Where can this 
> URL be
> coming from?
>
>   For reference, the mm_cfg.py file has had the following added to it:
>
> ---
> # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.aaa.bbb.gov.au'

Remove the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME assignment. The default value of None in 
Defaults.py is correct for a new installation.

> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'www.aaa.bbb.gov.au'
>
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'ccc.aaa.gov.au'
>

add this line at this point in you mm_cfg.py

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()

> add_virtualhost('www.aaa.bbb.gov.au', 'ccc.aaa.gov.au')
>
>
>   I've waded through a mountain of mailman posts/documentation/FAQs 
> and cannot
> find a solution to this problem, let alone anyone with a similar 
> problem.
>
>   Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>

The following FAQ entry may be os use:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

but see the comments under heading "Existing versus new lists" and the 
use of fix_url.py

>   Cheers,
>
> Jon.




From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co  Thu Oct 30 06:54:59 2003
From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:54:59 -0500 (COT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bugs in Mailman 2.1.3, one critical for private
	mailists
In-Reply-To: <443E3698-0A36-11D8-8DB6-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0310300026260.21082-100000@patascoy.ovsp.gov.co>

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Dan Phillips wrote:

> I am unable to to reproduce those problems. Is this a new update to  
> 2.1.3 from a 2.0.x version? If so, then the problem is most likely the  

No, I tried with a clean installation from Mailman sources.

> users in question need to clear all old mailman cookies from their  
> browsers before the 2.1.x web interface will work. Is this is not the  
> case, then I have no idea :-)

I remeber that I deleted the cookies before trying, and that I tried with
several browsers, and I received the same 'we hit a bug' pages.

Even once, when I was just subscribed I changed my password by email and
then I tried to access to my membership page and to the mailist privates
files, but the same occurred.

So I opted for installing a previous Red Hat Mailman 2.1.1 and it works.  
Anyway, it's a bug because any help is given.

About the other problem, I gave these email commands to Mailman:

1. password
2. set show (delivery was on)
3. set authenticate <password>
   set delivery off
4. set show (delivery was on)

5. I send one test message to the list and I received it.
6. So I disabled the deliveries from the web interface, and I did again:

7. set show (delivery was off)
8. set authenticate <password>
   set delivery on
9. set show (delivery was off)

Am I doing something wrong?

Thank you!,

Pablo Chamorro C.

> 
> DP
> 

-- 




From mark at pdc-racing.net  Thu Oct 30 06:56:38 2003
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:56:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Log File
Message-ID: <D3A32F12-0A9D-11D8-8C1E-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>

So throught the last couple of Mailman releases (I'm currently running 
2.1.3), my digest log file stay empty (even though I have users in 
digest mode).

Anyone know why that is?  I'm assuming that at least something should 
be written there when a digest is generated, etc., no?

- Mark, curious
-----
mark at pdc-racing.net




From anders at norrbring.biz  Thu Oct 30 10:46:32 2003
From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:46:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200310300939.h9U9dKuU026826@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com>

Another cron report that I don't know diddely-sqwat what it means..  Can
anybody help?

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives", line 126, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives", line 86, in main
    fp = open(mm_cfg.EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE)
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE'



Later

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Norrbring Consulting
Halmv?gen 42
SE-691 48??Karlskoga
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From ptsjohol at cc.jyu.fi  Thu Oct 30 11:11:26 2003
From: ptsjohol at cc.jyu.fi (Pasi Sjoholm)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:11:26 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe_policy problem? (fixed, includes a
	patch)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310300117330.8133-100000@silmu.st.jyu.fi>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310301208570.28393-200000@silmu.st.jyu.fi>

Hello again,

anyone didn't reply to me so I fixed this by myself, here is the patch:

--- Mailman/Cgi/options.py~	Thu Oct 30 12:02:41 2003
+++ Mailman/Cgi/options.py	Thu Oct 30 11:44:55 2003
@@ -156,9 +156,22 @@ def main():
     if cgidata.has_key('login-unsub'):
         # Because they can't supply a password for unsubscribing, we'll need
         # to do the confirmation dance.
+
         if mlist.isMember(user):
-            mlist.ConfirmUnsubscription(user, userlang)
-            doc.addError(_('The confirmation email has been sent.'), tag='')
+            # If we're doing admin-approved unsubs, don't worry about the password
+            if mlist.unsubscribe_policy:
+                try: 
+                    mlist.Lock()
+                    try:
+                        mlist.DeleteMember(user, 'via the listinfo page', userack=1)
+                    except Errors.MMNeedApproval:
+                        doc.addError(_('Your unsubscription request has been forwarded to the list administrator for approval.'), tag='')
+                    mlist.Save()
+                finally:
+                    mlist.Unlock()
+            else:
+                mlist.ConfirmUnsubscription(user, userlang)
+                doc.addError(_('The confirmation email has been sent.'), tag='')
         else:
             # Not a member
             if mlist.private_roster == 0:



On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Pasi Sjoholm wrote:

> This is possible when user is not logged in but when logged there will be 
> a request to unsubscribe user "x" for list admin. So.. it's a bug =) I 
> also tested it on 2.2.3.
> 
> --
> Pasi Sj?holm
> 
> 
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Pasi Sjoholm wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I set up a mailman today and now I have a little problem. I have this 
> > corporate mailing list and I have set unsubscribe_policy to yes for that 
> > list but still users can unsubscribe via web gui after they have clicked 
> > the unsubscribe and confirmed that they really want to unsubscribe via 
> > email.
> > 
> > I'm using Mailman 2.1.2... is this a bug or what?
> > 
> > --
> > Pasi Sj?holm
-------------- next part --------------
--- Mailman/Cgi/options.py~	Thu Oct 30 12:02:41 2003
+++ Mailman/Cgi/options.py	Thu Oct 30 11:44:55 2003
@@ -156,9 +156,22 @@ def main():
     if cgidata.has_key('login-unsub'):
         # Because they can't supply a password for unsubscribing, we'll need
         # to do the confirmation dance.
+
         if mlist.isMember(user):
-            mlist.ConfirmUnsubscription(user, userlang)
-            doc.addError(_('The confirmation email has been sent.'), tag='')
+            # If we're doing admin-approved unsubs, don't worry about the password
+            if mlist.unsubscribe_policy:
+                try: 
+                    mlist.Lock()
+                    try:
+                        mlist.DeleteMember(user, 'via the listinfo page', userack=1)
+                    except Errors.MMNeedApproval:
+                        doc.addError(_('Your unsubscription request has been forwarded to the list administrator for approval.'), tag='')
+                    mlist.Save()
+                finally:
+                    mlist.Unlock()
+            else:
+                mlist.ConfirmUnsubscription(user, userlang)
+                doc.addError(_('The confirmation email has been sent.'), tag='')
         else:
             # Not a member
             if mlist.private_roster == 0:

From javier.romero at cedex.es  Thu Oct 30 12:01:12 2003
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:01:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] my list got locked again,
	this is the -logs/errors last trace
Message-ID: <3FA0EF78.6080501@cedex.es>


Somebody knows the solution of this error??
Thankyou

Oct 29 17:10:50 2003 (9226) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name
Oct 29 17:10:50 2003 (9226) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, 
in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, 
in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 90, in 
process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in 
send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 304, in 
send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 311, in 
process
    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in 
search_function
    mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
ValueError: Empty module name

Oct 29 17:10:50 2003 (9226) SHUNTING: 
1067443847.61253+67e818d96f4e2ba8367161042b72553a7feac50d
Oct 29 17:15:02 2003 (9226) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name
Oct 29 17:15:02 2003 (9226) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, 
in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, 
in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 90, in 
process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in 
send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 304, in 
send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 311, in 
process
    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in 
search_function
    mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
ValueError: Empty module name

-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX





From javier.romero at cedex.es  Thu Oct 30 12:17:26 2003
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:17:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] and here you are the second machine error trace
In-Reply-To: <D3A32F12-0A9D-11D8-8C1E-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
References: <D3A32F12-0A9D-11D8-8C1E-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>
Message-ID: <3FA0F346.7060705@cedex.es>

How can i fix this problem?? this is the error at same time that list 
stoped sending messages...
i don't


Oct 29 14:58:57 2003 (13092) SHUNTING: 
1067435933.776432+b0b7648a4bd0f930075616ca802b26194c54c133
Oct 29 14:59:07 2003 (13092) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name
Oct 29 14:59:07 2003 (13092) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, 
in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, 
in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 90, in 
process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in 
send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 304, in 
send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 311, in 
process
    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in 
search_function
    mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
ValueError: Empty module name

-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX





From javier.romero at cedex.es  Thu Oct 30 12:48:12 2003
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:48:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] and a message to root from output cron job
Message-ID: <3FA0FA7C.9050508@cedex.es>


>From 	Super-User <root>
To 	root
Date 	Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:36:06 +0100 (MET)
Subject 	Output from "cron" command

Your "cron" job on burlador
/usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests

produced the following output:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
    mlist.send_digest_now()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
    ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 304, in send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 311, in process
    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in search_function
    mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
ValueError: Empty module name
      

-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX



From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Oct 30 16:05:41 2003
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:05:41 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] and a message to root from output cron job
In-Reply-To: <3FA0FA7C.9050508@cedex.es>
Message-ID: <8714D20D-0AEA-11D8-A45E-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>

Javier

On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 11:48  am, javier wrote:

>
>> From 	Super-User <root>
> To 	root
> Date 	Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:36:06 +0100 (MET)
> Subject 	Output from "cron" command
>
> Your "cron" job on burlador
> /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests
>
> produced the following output:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
>    main()
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
>    mlist.send_digest_now()
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in 
> send_digest_now
>    ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in 
> send_digests
>    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 304, in 
> send_i18n_digests
>    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 311, in 
> process
>    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in 
> search_function
>    mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
> ValueError: Empty module name
>

 From a quick look at the code, I think this may happen if a message has 
an invalid Content-type: header of the form:

Content-type: text/foo; charset=

That is, it has a charset parameter but no actual value has been 
assigned to it. But I could be wrong.

As a quick fix you could try changing line 280 of 
$prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py from:

         if charset is None or charset == 'us-ascii':

to:

         if charset is None or charset == '' or charset == 'us-ascii':

If you try this hack let me know whether it works or not. I am not sure 
if this is the best long term fix but if it appears to work I will look 
at the problem a bit further.

Do not forget to backup the Scrubber.py before changing it in case you 
have to revert to the original.

Regards

Richard

>
> -- 
> Javier Romero Casado
>  tel.913357274
> Dep. Comunicaciones
>     CEDEX




From anders at norrbring.biz  Thu Oct 30 17:21:35 2003
From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:21:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems after system update.
Message-ID: <200310301614.h9UGEJuU015116@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com>

Hiya all!

I just made a system update, and restored the files I had saved,
/usr/lib/mailman/* and all subdirs.  However, there must be something that
was stored elsewhere, because now nobody can log on to the list created...

Is there a way to fix this without a complete list recreation?
Not even I as the admin can log on to the list's admin pages.

Anders Norrbring

Norrbring Consulting
Halmv?gen 42
SE-691 48??Karlskoga
SWEDEN

e-mail: anders at norrbring.biz

Phone: +46 586-322 43
Mobile: +46 70-203 19 15





From mail at schoeppi.net  Thu Oct 30 18:28:45 2003
From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:28:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bugs in Mailman 2.1.3,
	one critical for private mailists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0310300026260.21082-100000@patascoy.ovsp.gov.co>
References: <443E3698-0A36-11D8-8DB6-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.33.0310300026260.21082-100000@patascoy.ovsp.gov.co>
Message-ID: <20031030172845.GA2492@athlon.schoeppi.net>

Hiho!

On Don, Okt 30, 2003 at 12:54:59 -0500, Pablo Chamorro C. wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Dan Phillips wrote:
> 
> About the other problem, I gave these email commands to Mailman:
> 
> 1. password
> 2. set show (delivery was on)
> 3. set authenticate <password>
>    set delivery off
> 4. set show (delivery was on)
> 
> 5. I send one test message to the list and I received it.
> 6. So I disabled the deliveries from the web interface, and I did again:
> 
> 7. set show (delivery was off)
> 8. set authenticate <password>
>    set delivery on
> 9. set show (delivery was off)
> 
> Am I doing something wrong?

No, I don't think so.

I tryed the same on a system with mailman 2.1.3 (also a clean 
installation from source) and I had the same problem too. If I remember 
correctly, with 2.1.2 (that was the first mailman version I used) there 
was the same problem too.

Best regards,
Schoeppi

-- 
Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de
mail at schoeppi.net     | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de



From nphillipps at nysia.org  Thu Oct 30 18:55:33 2003
From: nphillipps at nysia.org (Norbert Phillips)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:55:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CC field with full personalization
Message-ID: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B88720743C4CA@msp101.nysia.org>

Hi all,
I'm running mailman 2.1.2 and having a little trouble with full
personalization, and the CC field.  I've seen a few posts regarding this,
but have not yet seen a way around having the CC field not show the address
of the list.  Does anyone know of a way to do this?

Thanks a lot,
Norbert 



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 30 19:02:47 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 30 Oct 2003 13:02:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems after system update.
In-Reply-To: <200310301614.h9UGEJuU015116@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com>
References: <200310301614.h9UGEJuU015116@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com>
Message-ID: <1067536967.3222.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 11:21, Anders Norrbring wrote:
> Hiya all!
> 
> I just made a system update, and restored the files I had saved,
> /usr/lib/mailman/* and all subdirs.  However, there must be something that
> was stored elsewhere, because now nobody can log on to the list created...
> 
> Is there a way to fix this without a complete list recreation?
> Not even I as the admin can log on to the list's admin pages.
> 
> Anders Norrbring
> 

Did you create a Mailman user and group with the same UID and GID's as
the previous system?  Is this upgrade using a different version of
Python?  Did you reset the cron table for the user Mailman? Also, are
your webserver and email server running as the same users/groups as
previously?

If you've checked all that, then have you run:
   /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms -f

In a worse case scenario, you'll simply have to re-install Mailman.  It
should pick up the existing lists and everything should work fine
(assuming you installed from source and that you saved the options you
used with ./configure --options

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From javier.romero at cedex.es  Fri Oct 31 12:04:08 2003
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:04:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] and a message to root from output cron job
In-Reply-To: <8714D20D-0AEA-11D8-A45E-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
References: <8714D20D-0AEA-11D8-A45E-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FA241A8.2050201@cedex.es>

Thank you Richard. When i've changed the "if" sentence four or six 
messages to the locked list was received inmediatly. It's first time 
that i don't need to remove the list and create again to continueing 
receiving messages... very nice :-D
Maybe this is the solution, because now one machine-list is working and 
got locked too, so i'll probe this with the two machines working 
together and writting into the same /lists and /archives nfs mounts... 
Do you think this is posible, Richard?? thanks

Richard Barrett wrote:

> Javier
>
> On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 11:48  am, javier wrote:
>
>>
>>> From     Super-User <root>
>>
>> To     root
>> Date     Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:36:06 +0100 (MET)
>> Subject     Output from "cron" command
>>
>> Your "cron" job on burlador
>> /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests
>>
>> produced the following output:
>>
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
>>    main()
>>  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
>>    mlist.send_digest_now()
>>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in 
>> send_digest_now
>>    ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
>>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in 
>> send_digests
>>    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 304, in 
>> send_i18n_digests
>>    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 311, in 
>> process
>>    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
>>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in 
>> search_function
>>    mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
>> ValueError: Empty module name
>>
>
> From a quick look at the code, I think this may happen if a message 
> has an invalid Content-type: header of the form:
>
> Content-type: text/foo; charset=
>
> That is, it has a charset parameter but no actual value has been 
> assigned to it. But I could be wrong.
>
> As a quick fix you could try changing line 280 of 
> $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py from:
>
>         if charset is None or charset == 'us-ascii':
>
> to:
>
>         if charset is None or charset == '' or charset == 'us-ascii':
>
> If you try this hack let me know whether it works or not. I am not 
> sure if this is the best long term fix but if it appears to work I 
> will look at the problem a bit further.
>
> Do not forget to backup the Scrubber.py before changing it in case you 
> have to revert to the original.
>
> Regards
>
> Richard
>
>>
>> -- 
>> Javier Romero Casado
>>  tel.913357274
>> Dep. Comunicaciones
>>     CEDEX
>
>
>
>

-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX






From mundaun at gmx.ch  Fri Oct 31 12:34:56 2003
From: mundaun at gmx.ch (Michael Stucki)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:34:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman and Debian
References: <C0231974FC93D6118661000021A46625BF28@mp3203.mapadire.ca>
Message-ID: <bnthe9$att$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hi Pascal,

> I was wondering if there was a reason why the only Mailman version
> available as a stable debian package is version 2.0.11?
> Version 2.1.3 is marked as unstable. Is the new version still in beta or
> is it ready to be deployed on a production site. In other words, would you
> recommend upgrading from 2.0.11 to 2.1.3 on a production site that uses
> mailman extensibly?

I am using Mailman on a Woody server for managing the TYPO3 mailing lists.
Two weeks ago, I did an upgrade from 2.0.11 to a backported 2.1.2 version I
found at http://people.debian.org/~hmh/woody/hmh/

There were no big problems except some missing packages (you'll find them on
the same server!) and the mailman list which needed to be created.

Two weeks later, everything seems to work fine! However, it's still good to
make a backup of your server before proceeding with the updates.

Good luck!
- michael




From jwest at classiccmp.org  Fri Oct 31 15:26:43 2003
From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:26:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archrunner using large %'s of cpu
	(read faq & archives)
Message-ID: <009401c39fbb$01f8f720$033310ac@kwcorp.com>

I'm using Mailman 2.1.2 on FreeBSD v4.8-Release, built using the port. MTA
is sendmail 8.12.8p1

Very frequently I will see the ArchRunner process using 99+ % of cpu. I have
searched the archives and found lots of messages about qrunners using large
percentages of cpu, but they all seem to talk about the fixes being related
to actual mail processing (sendmail), not archRunner. I am assuming that if
the problem was mail delivery or reception I would be seeing the large cpu
use on a different qrunner process. My issue is specific to the archrunner
process which I don't find much on in the archives/faq.

I am using a pretty default install, haven't tweaked anything. If it
helps... here are some possibly germane things:

1) I never seem to be able to catch anything in
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive, but that may be a timing thing, as my
archives do appear to be getting updated.
2) I looked in the /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/*.mbox directories,
and find listname.mbox at 33mb and listname.mbox.1 at 54mb. Could it be that
these files are just so big that it takes huge amounts of cpu to add posts
to these? I'm guessing they are the archives. This gives rise to several
questions (someone else maintained this setup before I did). Does mailman
split them (the .1 file), or can I just rename listname.mbox to
listname.mbox.2 and mailman will have a smaller chunk to deal with?

Any thoughts? Thanks in advance!!!

I have another question or two but will post separately for them.

Jay West

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From jwest at classiccmp.org  Fri Oct 31 15:30:29 2003
From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:30:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on digest headers
Message-ID: <009e01c39fbb$88da1440$033310ac@kwcorp.com>

I'm using Mailman 2.1.2 on FreeBSD v4.8-Release, built using the port. MTA
is sendmail 8.12.8p1

I was using a previous release of mailman, v2.0.x. I built a new machine to
run 2.1.2 on and did a fresh mailman install, then just moved the lists and
archives from the old machine to the new machine. All appears to be well
(except see previous post ;) ).

Some of my subscribers noticed that the headers on the digest changed from
the old release to the new release. Specifically, on the older version of
mailman, the digest header or subject said how many messages were in that
digest. The new version of mailman, the digest just says volume number
basically. It doesn't say how many messages are in the digest - something my
users apparently would really like to see back again. Can someone point me
in the right direction as to how to add this back in?

Thanks!

Jay West

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 15:40:11 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 31 Oct 2003 09:40:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archrunner using large %'s of
	cpu	(read faq & archives)
In-Reply-To: <009401c39fbb$01f8f720$033310ac@kwcorp.com>
References: <009401c39fbb$01f8f720$033310ac@kwcorp.com>
Message-ID: <1067611211.3227.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Well you've pegged it.  That was a bug in version 2.1.2 which is fixed
in 2.1.3.  The patch for 2.1.2 should still be available - you could
probably patch your running system and just leave it at that (an upgrade
will bring the patch in anyway).

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 09:26, Jay West wrote:
> I'm using Mailman 2.1.2 on FreeBSD v4.8-Release, built using the port. MTA
> is sendmail 8.12.8p1
> 
> Very frequently I will see the ArchRunner process using 99+ % of cpu. I have
> searched the archives and found lots of messages about qrunners using large
> percentages of cpu, but they all seem to talk about the fixes being related
> to actual mail processing (sendmail), not archRunner. I am assuming that if
> the problem was mail delivery or reception I would be seeing the large cpu
> use on a different qrunner process. My issue is specific to the archrunner
> process which I don't find much on in the archives/faq.
> 
> I am using a pretty default install, haven't tweaked anything. If it
> helps... here are some possibly germane things:
> 
> 1) I never seem to be able to catch anything in
> /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive, but that may be a timing thing, as my
> archives do appear to be getting updated.
> 2) I looked in the /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/*.mbox directories,
> and find listname.mbox at 33mb and listname.mbox.1 at 54mb. Could it be that
> these files are just so big that it takes huge amounts of cpu to add posts
> to these? I'm guessing they are the archives. This gives rise to several
> questions (someone else maintained this setup before I did). Does mailman
> split them (the .1 file), or can I just rename listname.mbox to
> listname.mbox.2 and mailman will have a smaller chunk to deal with?
> 
> Any thoughts? Thanks in advance!!!
> 
> I have another question or two but will post separately for them.
> 
> Jay West
> 
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From fabrice.barbarin at motorola.com  Fri Oct 31 16:34:15 2003
From: fabrice.barbarin at motorola.com (Fabrice Barbarin)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:34:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman migration
Message-ID: <200310311634.15762.fabrice.barbarin@motorola.com>

Hi,

I was currently using mailman 2.0.13.
This system was deployed into /home/mailman directory.
I redeploy a new server in mandrake 9.2 I use the package mailman-2.1.2.
The current install is in /var/lib/mailman.

How can I import my previous mailing list configuration and archive from 
mailman 2.0.13 to my new mailman version?
I created symbolic links for /list and /archive to my previous version. But I 
didn't see previous mailinglists. Is there anything else that I should do?

Regards

Fabrice



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From sysmda at zim.gsu.edu  Fri Oct 31 19:34:18 2003
From: sysmda at zim.gsu.edu (Mike Alberghini)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:34:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] optionsurl not using full domain
Message-ID: <20031031133418.A19825@zim.gsu.edu>

For some reason my new subscriber messages are going out with only
my hostname, not the full domain name in the urls.

For example the welcome messages tells people to click 

http://mailbox/mailman/listinfo/galileo

instead of 

http://mailbox.gsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/galileo

I can't find a way to set the optionsurl variable to the full domain name.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
Michael Alberghini
Software Systems Engineer
Georgia State University
mike at gsu.edu



From gmills at library.berkeley.edu  Fri Oct 31 20:39:12 2003
From: gmills at library.berkeley.edu (Garey Mills)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:39:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman inserting new lines into
	Subject: header
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10310311133240.169301-100000@library.berkeley.edu>

Hi -

	I've got Mailman 2.1b2 installed. I have a problem because Mailman
occasionally inserts a newline (x010) after the list name close bracket
and before the subject description in the Subject: header line. It appears
that this happens only with longer subject lines.

	This causes a problem in Eudora, because the short display of the
subject only shows the list name and not the subject description.

	 Is there a quick fix?

Garey Mills
Library Systems Office
UC Berkeley





From lambert at lambertfam.org  Fri Oct 31 21:52:34 2003
From: lambert at lambertfam.org (Scott Lambert)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:52:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archrunner using large %'s of
	cpu	(read faq & archives)
In-Reply-To: <1067611211.3227.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <009401c39fbb$01f8f720$033310ac@kwcorp.com>
	<1067611211.3227.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20031031205234.GD18048@DellBSD.inch.com>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 09:40:11AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 09:26, Jay West wrote:
> > I'm using Mailman 2.1.2 on FreeBSD v4.8-Release, built using the port. MTA
> > is sendmail 8.12.8p1
> > 
> > Very frequently I will see the ArchRunner process using 99+ % of cpu. I have
> > searched the archives and found lots of messages about qrunners using large
> > percentages of cpu, but they all seem to talk about the fixes being related
> > to actual mail processing (sendmail), not archRunner. I am assuming that if
> > the problem was mail delivery or reception I would be seeing the large cpu
> > use on a different qrunner process. My issue is specific to the archrunner
> > process which I don't find much on in the archives/faq.
> > 
> Well you've pegged it.  That was a bug in version 2.1.2 which is fixed
> in 2.1.3.  The patch for 2.1.2 should still be available - you could
> probably patch your running system and just leave it at that (an upgrade
> will bring the patch in anyway).

I still see this problem with Mailman 2.1.3 for a high-volume list.

  PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE  C   TIME   WCPU    CPU COMMAND
66428 mailman   64   0   168M   147M CPU1   0 376.7H 99.02% 99.02% python2.3

That's the archiver process.  There are 1318 messages in the archive
queue...

12:00:28 Fri Oct 31 # truss -p 66428
break(0x114f6000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x1302c000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x114f8000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x13030000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x114fa000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x13034000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x114fc000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x13038000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x114fe000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x1303c000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x11500000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x13040000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x11502000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x13044000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x11504000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x13048000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x11506000)                                = 0 (0x0)
break(0x1304c000)                                = 0 (0x0)

Once I kill off the mailman queue runners and clean up the several lock
files for this mailing list, it runs just fine and manages to empty the
archive queue.

Two days worth of mailman cron jobs were still stuck in the process list.

Supposition: Maybe they were blocked by the list's lockfile?

So, it seems that the archRunner process went off the deep end somewhere
between two and three days ago.

I have the htdig patches for 2.1.3 installed.  Which might be germane...

-- 
Scott Lambert                    KC5MLE                       Unix SysAdmin
lambert at lambertfam.org      




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Oct 31 22:35:24 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:35:24 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archrunner using large %'s of
	cpu	(read faq & archives)
In-Reply-To: <20031031205234.GD18048@DellBSD.inch.com>
Message-ID: <230F3EDE-0BEA-11D8-AD83-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 08:52  pm, Scott Lambert wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 09:40:11AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
>> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 09:26, Jay West wrote:
>>> I'm using Mailman 2.1.2 on FreeBSD v4.8-Release, built using the 
>>> port. MTA
>>> is sendmail 8.12.8p1
>>>
>>> Very frequently I will see the ArchRunner process using 99+ % of 
>>> cpu. I have
>>> searched the archives and found lots of messages about qrunners 
>>> using large
>>> percentages of cpu, but they all seem to talk about the fixes being 
>>> related
>>> to actual mail processing (sendmail), not archRunner. I am assuming 
>>> that if
>>> the problem was mail delivery or reception I would be seeing the 
>>> large cpu
>>> use on a different qrunner process. My issue is specific to the 
>>> archrunner
>>> process which I don't find much on in the archives/faq.
>>>
>> Well you've pegged it.  That was a bug in version 2.1.2 which is fixed
>> in 2.1.3.  The patch for 2.1.2 should still be available - you could
>> probably patch your running system and just leave it at that (an 
>> upgrade
>> will bring the patch in anyway).
>
> I still see this problem with Mailman 2.1.3 for a high-volume list.
>
>   PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE  C   TIME   WCPU    CPU 
> COMMAND
> 66428 mailman   64   0   168M   147M CPU1   0 376.7H 99.02% 99.02% 
> python2.3
>
> That's the archiver process.  There are 1318 messages in the archive
> queue...
>
> 12:00:28 Fri Oct 31 # truss -p 66428
> break(0x114f6000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x1302c000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x114f8000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x13030000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x114fa000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x13034000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x114fc000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x13038000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x114fe000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x1303c000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x11500000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x13040000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x11502000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x13044000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x11504000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x13048000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x11506000)                                = 0 (0x0)
> break(0x1304c000)                                = 0 (0x0)
>
> Once I kill off the mailman queue runners and clean up the several lock
> files for this mailing list, it runs just fine and manages to empty the
> archive queue.
>
> Two days worth of mailman cron jobs were still stuck in the process 
> list.
>
> Supposition: Maybe they were blocked by the list's lockfile?
>
> So, it seems that the archRunner process went off the deep end 
> somewhere
> between two and three days ago.
>
> I have the htdig patches for 2.1.3 installed.  Which might be 
> germane...

If you are referring to patch #444884 then, while I would never say 
never, it is not highly likely to be the cause. The code inserted  by 
patch #444884 impinges very little on the execution path taken when 
mail is being archived and archive pages are being generated by 
pipermail. If you discover any different let me know and I'll take 
another look at the htdig integration patch.

You say you have the problem with a high volume list.  What sort of 
message sizes and traffic volume is the list handling? Do the messages 
tend to have large attachments? I have found that the internal 
pipermail archiver starts to choke on high volume lists and on a least 
one of them I run the solution I adopted was to reduce the archiving 
period from a month to a week, which seemed to alleviate the problem. I 
suspect the problem is partially related to the pickled data structures 
that pipermail uses to control archiver operation and index generation.

I'm now using a fairly tight Mailman/MHonArc integration for such 
lists; I developed it because MHonArc has a reputation for handling 
large archives better than pipermail but I still wanted MM list archive 
privacy, my htdig integration, etc. A patch for this is available at 
http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/mhonarc/index.html or as MM 
patch #820723 on sourceforge. It subcontracts MHonArc to generate the 
message and period index pages in the normal 
$prefix/archives/private/<listname>/<archive-period> directory 
structure while the pipermail/MM code looks after the top level index, 
archive control and access control. The integration makes the choice of 
pipermail or MHonArc a per-list option so if you change your mind or 
decide it was all a big mistake it is not a disaster; select the 
archiver of choice and run $prefix/bin/arch --wipe to have the archiver 
of choice regenerate the list archive from the its mbox file.

So far this MM/MH integration has worked OK for me but that's a single 
data point.

Enough over-selling of a free product and the usual caveat emptor :) 
but if you give it a try let me know how you get on.

>
> -- 
> Scott Lambert                    KC5MLE                       Unix 
> SysAdmin
> lambert at lambertfam.org
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From jwest at classiccmp.org  Fri Oct 31 22:35:46 2003
From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:35:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archrunner using large %'s
	ofcpu	(read faq & archives)
References: <009401c39fbb$01f8f720$033310ac@kwcorp.com>
	<1067611211.3227.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <009701c39ff6$f1f2d3a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com>

John wrote...
> Well you've pegged it.  That was a bug in version 2.1.2 which is fixed
> in 2.1.3.  The patch for 2.1.2 should still be available - you could
> probably patch your running system and just leave it at that (an upgrade
> will bring the patch in anyway).

I am having trouble finding that specific patch (for archrunner performance)
in the patch area of the website. I see one patch specifically for
archrunner, but the things that it fixes don't mention anything that sounds
outwardly similar to my performance problem. Can someone confirm or deny if
this is the correct patch? If not, maybe point me to the right one?

Thanks!

Jay West

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 22:51:19 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 31 Oct 2003 16:51:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman inserting new lines
	into	Subject: header
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10310311133240.169301-100000@library.berkeley.edu>
References: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10310311133240.169301-100000@library.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <1067637079.4722.26.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 14:39, Garey Mills wrote:
> Hi -
> 
> 	I've got Mailman 2.1b2 installed. I have a problem because Mailman
> occasionally inserts a newline (x010) after the list name close bracket
> and before the subject description in the Subject: header line. It appears
> that this happens only with longer subject lines.
> 
> 	This causes a problem in Eudora, because the short display of the
> subject only shows the list name and not the subject description.
> 
> 	 Is there a quick fix?
> 
> Garey Mills
> Library Systems Office
> UC Berkeley
> 
> 
I was just looking at that code yesterday.  It's clearly laid out and
documented - and easily removed or modified. You wouldn't even need to
re-install, just edit and fly.

Have fun - Jon Carnes




From Bill.James at j2global.com  Thu Oct 30 20:36:36 2003
From: Bill.James at j2global.com (Bill James)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:36:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rotating mbox files and old archive.txt files
Message-ID: <052816C82587BB4FB58C44CA63E9CF921382E756@j2exchange.j2.com>

I saw some postings about about rotating mbox files that just said to read
the Archival Options docs.
( http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-September/013787.html
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-September/013787.html>
)
 
We have the archivals options set but the list_name.mbox file doesn't rotate
and the archives/private/list_name/year-Month.txt file doesn't get cleaned
up, both gzip and txt files
are there.
 
Did I set something wrong or do I need to create my own clean up script to
remove previous months
.txt files and rotate the list_name.mbox file?
 
(running Mailman 2.1.2 on Linux RH7.3)
 
 
Thanks,
  Bill
 


From harangi at neograph.co.kr  Fri Oct 31 08:10:11 2003
From: harangi at neograph.co.kr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C0=FC=C1=D8=BC=AE?=)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:10:11 +0900 (KST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I got a problem...
Message-ID: <2812.211.201.227.226.1067584211.squirrel@webmail.neograph.co.kr>

Please tell me below message.........


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 162, in main
    mlist.Lock()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 159, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 424, in __write
    fp.close()
IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device



Content-type: text/html

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a
useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman administrator
at this site.

--------------------------------------------------
Jun Suk Chun
harangi at neograph.co.kr





From isaacperez at exlibris-usa.com  Fri Oct 31 22:13:33 2003
From: isaacperez at exlibris-usa.com (Isaac Perez)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:13:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do i change the all list manager passwords at
	the same time
Message-ID: <000E1F99290472408C762F61354D9469AC0625@usmail01.exlibris-int.us>

i can change the site password with: mmsitepass <newpassword>
but how do i change the list managers passwords for all the list at the same time?