Mailman CGI error!!!

hard

 tag it uses the  tag (which
wraps the text according to your browsers settings).

It would also have to put in a 
 tag at each end of line.

> 
> 2. Is there any way we could modify the existing archives? Is there a 
> script that might modify mbox files.

The Mbox format is a text file.  You can edit/modify it like any text
file (just back it up first!).

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 11 15:33:20 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Mar 2003 09:33:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove all list members without deleting list?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1047393204.2374.93.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 17:08, Bruce Embrey wrote:
> I believe you can use the remove_members -a listname which will delete
> all members of that list without destroying the list.
> 
> Bruce Embrey

In addition to this, look at using the ~mailman/bin/config_list command
to save a text version of your lists configuration (without the
membership).  You can use this command to basically clone your current
list settings to a new list.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

From pat.finnerty at hp.com  Tue Mar 11 15:47:06 2003
From: pat.finnerty at hp.com (Pat Finnerty)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:47:06 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail and timezones.
Message-ID: <3E6DF6EA.9040600@hp.com>

Hi,

I've noticed that mails posted to Mailman from a different timezone (I'm 
in GMT) will show the local senders time in the archive but shows the 
timezone as GMT.

This happens with ARCHIVER_CLOBBER_DATE_POLICY set to 2.

To workaround this I've set

ARCHIVER_CLOBBER_DATE_POLICY = 1

as this will always show the time the message was received.

I would have thought that if the senders date/time was displayed it 
should show their timezone also?

- Pat.

-- 
Patrick Finnerty, System Administrator,
Mission Critical & Proactive Services, Hewlett Packard,
Ballybrit Business Park, Galway, IRELAND.
p: +353-91-754722 	e: pat.finnerty at hp.com

From pat.finnerty at hp.com  Tue Mar 11 16:03:47 2003
From: pat.finnerty at hp.com (Pat Finnerty)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:03:47 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail: Display recipient fields?
Message-ID: <3E6DFAD3.3040105@hp.com>

Hi,

Is it possible to allow the TO: and CC: fields be shown in Pipermail 
archive? Something that some of my users would like.

I'm using Mailman v2.1 and haven't seen any way of doing this.

-- 
Patrick Finnerty, System Administrator,
Mission Critical & Proactive Services, Hewlett Packard,
Ballybrit Business Park, Galway, IRELAND.
p: +353-91-754722 	e: pat.finnerty at hp.com

From elena at inca.math.indiana.edu  Tue Mar 11 16:39:29 2003
From: elena at inca.math.indiana.edu (Elena Fraboschi)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:39:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From a newbie
Message-ID: <200303111539.KAA23733@inca.math.indiana.edu>

Thanks, Jon.  Here I answer your questions.

Yes, mailmanctl is running---I checked it.

Mar 10 19:22:50 2003 (9611) BounceRunner qrunner started.
Mar 10 19:22:50 2003 (9610) ArchRunner qrunner started.
Mar 10 19:22:51 2003 (9613) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
Mar 10 19:22:51 2003 (9612) CommandRunner qrunner started.
Mar 10 19:22:52 2003 (9614) NewsRunner qrunner started.
Mar 10 19:22:52 2003 (9615) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
Mar 10 19:22:52 2003 (9616) VirginRunner qrunner started.

Yes, I am subscribed to the list---here is from the "subscribe" log:

Mar 10 19:03:43 2003 (9552) argentina-feca: new "elena at inca.math.indiana.edu" <>
Mar 10 19:03:43 2003 (9552) argentina-feca: new "majogm at fibertel.com.ar" <>

The Web-admin pages show up just fine.  They show that I am subscribed.
They also show that my preference is to receive copy of my own
postings, so if I am sending mail to the list, mailman should
spit out a copy back to me.  Finally, when I go to the Moderation
page, that page shows that there is no pending business.

# ./version
Using Mailman version: 2.1.1

I am also using the latest stable python for Solaris (downloaded it
and installed it just for mailman).

I'll keep looking.  I'll recheck perms...  Maybe the directories and
subdirectories are not rightly set.  They are:

# ls -l
total 38
drwxrwsr-x  11 elena    mailman     1536 Mar 10 18:52 Mailman
drwxrwsr-x   4 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:50 archives
drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman     1024 Mar 10 19:00 bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:50 cgi-bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 11 03:27 cron
drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 19:22 data
drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:50 icons
drwxrwsr-x   4 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 19:02 lists
drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 11 09:06 locks
drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 19:01 logs
drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:50 mail
drwxrwsr-x  18 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:52 messages
drwxrwsr-x   6 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:50 pythonlib
drwxrwsr-x  10 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:56 qfiles
drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 19:04 scripts
drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:50 spam
drwxrwsr-x  21 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:52 templates
drwxrwsr-x   4 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:52 tests

I ran bin/check_perms, and it said "No problems found."
Best, and thanks,
elena (no threats, you see... :-))

From preining at logic.at  Tue Mar 11 16:57:18 2003
From: preining at logic.at (Norbert Preining)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:57:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  parent/umbrella lists, posting of
	members/non-members, ...
In-Reply-To: <1047392846.1740.88.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
References: <20030311133218.GA20645@polaris.logic.tuwien.ac.at>
	<1047392846.1740.88.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030311155718.GA21037@polaris.logic.tuwien.ac.at>

Hi!

On Die, 11 M?r 2003, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Still there is a work-around in the FAQ that lets you build the Umbrella
> lists via scripts, that would get you the functionality you want (and it
> works with your version of Mailman).

OK, this is what we are thinking about...

> > The last point is in fact interesting: I cannot see how to solve: list
> > members should be able to post without approval, all other should be
> > allowed to post but only WITH approval. Is this possible?
> 
> Yes. Check out the settings in the Web-admin.  There should be toggles
> in the Privacy options section.

Hmm, I really do NOT understand: From the documentation (Detail) page:

* moderated (privacy): Must posts be approved by an administrator?
	OK, this is obvious
	If I set this to YES than ALL posts have to be moderated
	If I set this to NO than NO post has to be moderated
	Independent of post from member or not.

* member_posting_only (privacy): Restrict posting privilege to list
members? (member_posting_only)

Use this option if you want to restrict posting to list members. If you
want list members to be able to post, plus a handful of other posters,
see the posters setting below

	AFAIU this mean that if I set this to YES than only members 
	can post. If I set it to NO than everybody can post.

But NO combination of these options ensures that:
* members can post WITHOUT approval
* non-members can post WITH approval

Why:
* moderate=YES, member_posting_only=NO
	members emails are moderated
* moderate=NO, member_posting_only=YES
	non-member cannot post
* moderate=NO, member_posting_only=NO
	everyone can post without moderating, uggg
* moderate=YES, member_posting_only=YES
	non-members cannot post at all
	member posts are moderated

Am I that wrong?

Best wishes

Norbert

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From mike at mcdweb.com  Tue Mar 11 18:15:51 2003
From: mike at mcdweb.com (Mike)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:15:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman  installation [newbieish]
Message-ID: <003501c2e7f1$df07a530$6501a8c0@ptsem.edu>

Sorry this seems newbieish, however, i've been having a bit of trouble getting mailman to run.  Currently we use a microsoft exchange server for our main e-mail, but i would like to setup a better system for mailing lists and such so we decided to install redhat 8 on it and use mailman.  I followed the instructions and  on the download page and unpac ked it into  a mailman directory within the home directory.  Unfortunatly i'm not very clear on what to do next.  The documentation says it contains all information about installing it , however, all i notice is a list of the scripts.  is there further directions to help me get mailman running on my system, or ist there anyone who wouldn't mind helping me through it.  I would appriciate it very much.

Thanks ahead of time,
Mike

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue Mar 11 18:32:58 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:32:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman  installation [newbieish]
In-Reply-To: <003501c2e7f1$df07a530$6501a8c0@ptsem.edu>
References: <003501c2e7f1$df07a530$6501a8c0@ptsem.edu>
Message-ID: <20030311173258.GA22821@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Mike wrote:
> I followed the instructions and  on the download page and unpac ked it
> into a mailman directory within the home directory.  Unfortunatly i'm not
> very clear on what to do next.  The documentation says it contains all
> information about installing it , however, all i notice is a list of the
> scripts.

I'm guessing that you're using Mailman 2.1.1 (if not, you might as well
start with that version).  If you've unpacked the mailman tarball you should
have the following files:

ACKNOWLEDGMENTS  FAQ              mkinstalldirs*  README.MACOSX     templates/
admin/           gnu-COPYING-GPL  NEWS            README.NETSCAPE   tests/
bin/             INSTALL          README          README.POSTFIX    TODO
BUGS             install-sh*      README.BSD      README.QMAIL      UPGRADING
configure*       Mailman/         README.CONTRIB  README.SENDMAIL
configure.in     Makefile.in      README.EXIM     README.USERAGENT
contrib/         messages/        README-I18N.en  scripts/
cron/            misc/            README.LINUX    src/

If that's not what your directory listing looks like, you don't have the
right tarball or you haven't unpacked it right.

You'll want to read README, FAQ, INSTALL, and any README.* files that
pertain to your OS or MTA (ie README.LINUX and README.SENDMAIL).

Once you get through all that, if you still have questions that you can't
find in the list archives or the online faq (listed in the list footers)
feel free to ask them here.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
...know that worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra
equation by chewing bubble gum.
    -- Kurt Vonnegut

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From elena at inca.math.indiana.edu  Tue Mar 11 19:02:18 2003
From: elena at inca.math.indiana.edu (Elena Fraboschi)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:02:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Outgoing runner not running?
Message-ID: <200303111802.NAA24194@inca.math.indiana.edu>

OK, here is the situation now.  

I re-started the qrunner (mailmanctl restart), and I note
that the OutgoingRunner qrunner is not listed.  Is that
a symptom of something?

Mar 11 12:59:05 2003 (10832) BounceRunner qrunner started.
Mar 11 12:59:05 2003 (10833) VirginRunner qrunner started.
Mar 11 12:59:06 2003 (10834) CommandRunner qrunner started.
Mar 11 12:59:06 2003 (10837) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
Mar 11 12:59:06 2003 (10836) ArchRunner qrunner started.
Mar 11 12:59:06 2003 (10835) NewsRunner qrunner started.

No errors in the error log.  Here is the syslog:

Mar 11 12:52:03 mafalda sendmail[10789]: [ID 801593 mail.info] MAA10788: 
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
 mailman", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent

In effect, the digest mbox shows that the message was received,
and it appears in the digest.  It has got to be that the
Outgoing Runner is not running.  And that happens because...

!????

Many thanks for any help you can give, best, elena

From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Mar 11 19:43:40 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:43:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 14 hours and still not there
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030311115238.04271f18@mail.thcwd.com>

Jon Carnes wrote:
>Looks like you are setting up Mailman in a chrooted environment.

      Correct.  If I understand correctly, in chroot the server does not 
know anything above it exists?  It thinks that tmblists.com is the root 
directory?

>This is not for the faint of heart.

      Tell me about it!

>I've done a few of these and they take a lot of tweaks to setup properly.

      I've tweaked every way I can think of.  I need to do some searching 
on changing the sendmail configuration I guess.

>The only real advice I can give is to take it slowly and test each step. 
>If you understand what mailman is doing and how chrooted environments work 
>then you will persevere

      Unfortunately my understanding of both is limited.  I'm willing to 
take the time to learn, but I don't even know where to start.  Any hints 
where I can find the resources to learn what I need to know?  I did a 
search on Google for  ' "chrooted environment" +mailman ' and got a lot of 
hits - but they all have "mailman" in an included URL as it's part of a 
mailman list and nothing of help.  I've been thru all the readmes in mailman.

>Good Luck - Jon Carnes

      I'm going to need it!  I have found plenty of people looking to get 
Mailman working under Ensim, but no one offering a how to.  Ensim is 
becoming more and more used, and sooner or later someone is going to cover 
this.  If I ever get it running I will do a how to.

      One other question, on getting CGI to run.  Apparently Ensim won't 
deal with cgi files that have permissions above 755.  When I ran a 
re-configure after changing the CGI directories to 755, the checkperms saw 
this as an error and changed it.  If I change the permissions after I'm up 
and running is this going to break anything in Mailman?

<>< Paul, who would get a plain Red Hat box for Mailman if he had the $$.

From dn at hoffmann-liebenberg.de  Tue Mar 11 19:59:27 2003
From: dn at hoffmann-liebenberg.de (Dirk Nordmann)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:59:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature end of script headers
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I have a similar problem as Scott Rogers, but I can not find a solution at
all.

I receive 'Internal Server Error' in the browser window and in
/var/log/httpd/error_log I receive the 'Premature end of script headers'
error.

If I execute /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin being root it outputs the GID error
(as expected). If I set the current user to wwwrun (which is running the
Apache) and execute /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin then it works fine and
outputs HTML (no GID error!).
I wonder why it does not work although there is no GID error for wwwrun (you
find the log-messages at the bottom of this message).

Thank you.
Regards,

Dirk NORDMANN

/var/log/messages:
--------------------
Mar 11 19:42:40 p10088349 kernel: Packet log: input ACCEPT eth0 PROTO=6
62.104.216.68:49311 217.160.90.183:80 L=60 S=0x00 I=61545 F=0x4000 T=55 SYN
(#17)

/var/log/httpd/error_log:
---------------------------
[Tue Mar 11 19:42:40 2003] [error] [client 62.104.216.68] Premature end of
script headers: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

From mike at madmartian.com  Tue Mar 11 20:34:18 2003
From: mike at madmartian.com (Mike Shkolnik)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:34:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove all list members without deleting list?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <03ce01c2e805$3560ebe0$6401a8c0@computer>

The problem appears to be that I don't have access to the mailman
directory on my hosting server. Bummer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Detlef Neubauer [mailto:detlef.neubauer at charite.de] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:47 AM
To: Mike Shkolnik
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Remove all list members without deleting
list?
Importance: High

"Mike Shkolnik"  writes:

> How do I remove all mail list members without deleting the list and 
> without unchecking the subscribe box next to 900+ members?

If you have a login as mailman, use $MAILMANHOME/bin/remove_members.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Detlef Neubauer
-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.

From elena at inca.math.indiana.edu  Tue Mar 11 20:34:22 2003
From: elena at inca.math.indiana.edu (Elena Fraboschi)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:34:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can someone tell me how do their "locks" behave?
Message-ID: <200303111934.OAA24551@inca.math.indiana.edu>

I have been tweaking with "things," and have gotten the following
behavior.

If I completely stop mailman, and then start it, I get *one*
message delivered.  A lock forms, like this:

-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       53 Mar 12  2003 master-qrunner
-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       53 Mar 12  2003 
master-qrunner.mafalda.11448

Now that process number corresponds to:

8 S  mailman 11448     1  0  40 20        ?    827        ? 14:29:42 ?        
0:00 /usr/local/bin/python ./mailmanctl 

that is, it corresponds to the start of *this* session of mailman.

Is this normal behavior?  What can possibly trigger the fact that
*one* message will get delivered upon "mailmanctl start", and then
nothing?  

Please forgive my insistence.  Best, elena

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 11 21:16:38 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Mar 2003 15:16:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 14 hours and still not there
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030311115238.04271f18@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030311115238.04271f18@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <1047413802.2374.176.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

I included some notes at the end of this mail from a successful Mailman
install on an Ensim system that I did last year.  This was using Mailman
2.0.13, but the principle is the same for version 2.1.x

On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 13:43, Paul H Byerly wrote:
> Jon Carnes wrote:
> >Looks like you are setting up Mailman in a chrooted environment.
> 
>       Correct.  If I understand correctly, in chroot the server does not 
> know anything above it exists?  It thinks that tmblists.com is the root 
> directory?

This is a little screwy, but basically correct.  If you setup the chroot
properly, then the system sendmail will startup a chrooted sendmail for
all mail that is destined for the virtual domain.  The wrapper and smrsh
crap all take place inside the chroot (using the chrooted Sendmail).  So
you need to setup the chrooted smrsh and setup the mailman groups and
user in the local /etc of the chroot.

The main problem I had at the time was getting python to work inside the
Chroot.  I had to install it from source inside the Chroot (the system
version was way behind).
> 
> >This is not for the faint of heart.
> 
>       Tell me about it!
> 
> >I've done a few of these and they take a lot of tweaks to setup properly.
> 
>       I've tweaked every way I can think of.  I need to do some searching 
> on changing the sendmail configuration I guess.
> 
> >The only real advice I can give is to take it slowly and test each step. 
> >If you understand what mailman is doing and how chrooted environments work 
> >then you will persevere
> 
>       Unfortunately my understanding of both is limited.  I'm willing to 
> take the time to learn, but I don't even know where to start.  Any hints 
> where I can find the resources to learn what I need to know?  I did a 
> search on Google for  ' "chrooted environment" +mailman ' and got a lot of 
> hits - but they all have "mailman" in an included URL as it's part of a 
> mailman list and nothing of help.  I've been thru all the readmes in mailman.
> 
> >Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 
>       I'm going to need it!  I have found plenty of people looking to get 
> Mailman working under Ensim, but no one offering a how to.  Ensim is 
> becoming more and more used, and sooner or later someone is going to cover 
> this.  If I ever get it running I will do a how to.

I'll take you up on that!  That's why I'm sharing my notes.
> 
> 
>       One other question, on getting CGI to run.  Apparently Ensim won't 
> deal with cgi files that have permissions above 755.  When I ran a 
> re-configure after changing the CGI directories to 755, the checkperms saw 
> this as an error and changed it.  If I change the permissions after I'm up 
> and running is this going to break anything in Mailman?

I don't think this is exactly true.  Your chroot environment has a
limited amount of UserID's and GroupID's that are available to be used
inside (and really outside as well) the Chroot. 

If I recall correctly, every UID and GID (that you use inside the
chroot) have to exist in both the system /etc and in your chrooted /etc

HtH - Jon Carnes

======
Here are some notes/comments from an Ensim install that I did last
year...

===

Well it truly was a b*tch, but I got it working using mostly your setup.

In the future (if you do this again), you should install Mailman from
source and directly into the chroot area and use a site specific
user/group like "mailman7" instead of just "mailman".  

It doesn't really matter if no one else on the server wants to use
Mailman.

I leave it to you to get the http virtual host setup.  That should be a
piece of cake. I've setup Mailman to respond to any name that gets you
to the proper ip address.  Once you've got the virtual website setup
then you can use the web-admin tool to move the list over to using
"www.********.com" - but DONT do that until the virtual site is
working and it pulls up Mailman's admin site (or you will be hosed).

BTW: the current list is setup so that all email is moderated.  You'll
have to go to the website and approve any messages before they will go
out.

Good Luck.  I'm including my work notes below.

Jon Carnes

=========================================================================

[jonc at Anncons jonc]$ ssh ***.***.***.109
Warning: Permanently added '***.***.***.109' (RSA) to the list of known
hosts.
jonc@***.***.***.109's password:
*********************************************************
Changes to system files may affect your warranty and
discharge Ensim from any further obligation to provide
customer with warranty services or support hereunder
*********************************************************
[jonc at panegyris jonc]$ ls
[jonc at panegyris jonc]$ cd /etc
[jonc at panegyris etc]$ grep mailman passwd
mailman:x:41:41:GNU Mailing List Manager:/var/mailman:/bin/false
[jonc at panegyris etc]$ grep mailman group
mailman:x:41:
[jonc at panegyris etc]$ grep mailman aliases
# mailman aliases
mailman: postmaster
mailman-owner: mailman
neurons:                "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post neurons"
neurons-admin:          "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner neurons"
neurons-request:        "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd neurons"
[jonc at panegyris etc]$

====== sendmail.cf

# default UID (can be username or userid:groupid)
O DefaultUser=8:12

====== httpd.conf

# User/Group: The name (or #number) of the user/group to run httpd as.
#  . On SCO (ODT 3) use "User nouser" and "Group nogroup".
#  . On HPUX you may not be able to use shared memory as nobody, and the
#    suggested workaround is to create a user www and use that user.
#  NOTE that some kernels refuse to setgid(Group) or semctl(IPC_SET)
#  when the value of (unsigned)Group is above 60000;
#  don't use Group #-1 on these systems!
#
User apache
Group apache

  ...

ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /var/www/cgi-bin/
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
#
# /var/www/cgi-bin should be changed to whatever your ScriptAliased
# CGI directory exists, if you have that configured.
#

    AllowOverride None
    Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all

    AllowOverride None
    Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all

======

[jonc at panegyris etc]$ grep apache passwd
apache:x:48:48:Apache:/var/www:/bin/false
[jonc at panegyris etc]$ grep apache group
apache:x:48:

======

   Inspection of the mailman directory (/var/mailman) indicates that the
group rights are incorrect.

chgrp -R mailman /var/mailman/

======

   Set Mailman Site password to "******"

~mailman/bin/mmsitepass

====== /var/log/maillog - After test message

Dec 11 09:46:32 panegyris sendmail[7163]: gBBHkVr07163:
from=, size=631, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<1039624527.5369.7.camel at Anncons.nc.rr.com>, proto=ESMTP,
daemon=MTA, relay=moya.trilug.org [64.244.27.141]
Dec 11 09:46:32 panegyris virthostmail[7166]: Chrooting to
/home/virtual/site7/fst
Dec 11 09:46:32 panegyris sendmail[7168]: gBBHkW907168:
from=, size=869, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<1039624527.5369.7.camel at Anncons.nc.rr.com>, proto=ESMTP,
relay=root at localhost
Dec 11 09:46:32 panegyris sendmail[7165]: gBBHkVr07163:
to=, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=virthostmail, pri=30631, relay=neurosemantics.com, dsn=2.0.0,
stat=Sent (gBBHkW907168 Message accepted for delivery)
Dec 11 09:46:32 panegyris Mailman mail-wrapper: No such file or
directory
Dec 11 09:46:32 panegyris sendmail[7169]: gBBHkW907168:
to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post neurons",
ctladdr= (516/0), delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30080, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer
error 4
Dec 11 09:46:32 panegyris sendmail[7169]: gBBHkW907168: gBBHkW907169:
DSN: unknown mailer error 4
Dec 11 09:46:53 panegyris sendmail[7169]: gBBHkW907169:
to=, delay=00:00:21, xdelay=00:00:21, mailer=esmtp,
pri=30180, relay=ncmx01.mgw.rr.com. [24.93.67.251], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
(gBBGZoOL026826 Message accepted for delivery)

======

created link to /var/mailman inside chrooted environment.

====== Test message bounce:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post neurons"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 516.  (Reconfigure to
take 516?)
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

======

[root at panegyris smrsh]# grep 516 /etc/group
admin7:x:516:

The chrooted MTA must run as "admin7"

To test, I changed admin7's primary group to 12 (in /etc/passwd) and
added "admin7" to the admin7 group (in /etc/group)

We may only need to do this in the chrooted environment (if so then this
will fail).

====== /var/log/maillog

Dec 11 11:19:12 panegyris sendmail[7611]: gBBJJBr07609:
to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=virthostmail, pri=31603, relay=neurosemantics.com, dsn=2.0.0,
stat=Sent (gBBJJCs07614 Message accepted for delivery)
Dec 11 11:19:12 panegyris Mailman mail-wrapper: No such file or
directory
Dec 11 11:19:12 panegyris sendmail[7615]: gBBJJCs07614:
to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post neurons",
ctladdr= (516/0), delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30796, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer
error 4
Dec 11 11:19:12 panegyris sendmail[7615]: gBBJJCs07614: gBBJJCs07615:
DSN: unknown mailer error 4
Dec 11 11:19:17 panegyris sendmail[7615]: gBBJJCs07615:
to=, delay=00:00:05, xdelay=00:00:05, mailer=esmtp,
pri=30896, relay=ncmx01.mgw.rr.com. [24.93.67.251], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
(gBBI89OL006271 Message accepted for delivery)

======

[root at panegyris bin]# ./check_perms
directory must be at least 02775: /var/mailman
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /var/mailman/cron
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /var/mailman/spam
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /var/mailman/logs
Problems found: 4
Re-run as mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix
[root at panegyris bin]# ./check_perms -f
directory must be at least 02775: /var/mailman (fixing)
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /var/mailman/cron (fixing)
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /var/mailman/spam (fixing)
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /var/mailman/logs (fixing)
Problems found: 4

======

  Python was not in the chrooted environment.  I copied the version used
and its modules into the chroot.

 File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex
    fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/var/spool/mailman/qfiles/a8953d5dbd3e1fbc5b2bdee0999d821bf9c2de18.db'

   Alright this points the way to other problems.  Mainly that the
chrooted install of Mailman is incomplete.
   The only way to make this work right is to replace the main mailman
files with links to the Mailman files for Site7.
   This assumes that only Site7 is using Mailman.
   The work-around to this is to install mailman on the other sites
separately with different users (ie mailman1, mailman2, etc)
   Then setup the crons for those separately, and include the alias
files for the various sites in the main aliases or
   setup some virtusertab work-arounds.

/var/spool/mailman -> /home/virtual/site7/fst/var/spool/mailman

/var/mailman -> /home/virtual/site7/fst/var/mailman
   Note: this means modifying the httpd.conf file for the mailman entry.

=========================================================================
On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 20:32, CS wrote:
> Thanks man - I'm in overload with all our  - started to
> go cross-eyed in front of the terminal ... sigh.
> 
> 
> It's a rented server running Ensim on RH 7.2 from www.servepath.com
and sits
> in San Francisco
> 

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 11 21:31:48 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Mar 2003 15:31:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From a newbie
In-Reply-To: <200303111539.KAA23733@inca.math.indiana.edu>
References: <200303111539.KAA23733@inca.math.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <1047414712.1740.189.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

So Mailmanctl is running, the message is being delivered to Mailman via
your MTA,... 
What do the ~mailman/logs/.. say about your message?
 - "post" should indicate if the message was delivered via Mailman
successfully
 - "vette" should indicate if the message was held for some reason
 - "smtp" should tell you if the smtp info for the message hand-off from
mailman to your MTA
 - "bounce" or "error" should indicate if there was a problem with the
message.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 10:39, Elena Fraboschi wrote:
> Thanks, Jon.  Here I answer your questions.
> 
> Yes, mailmanctl is running---I checked it.
> 
> Mar 10 19:22:50 2003 (9611) BounceRunner qrunner started.
> Mar 10 19:22:50 2003 (9610) ArchRunner qrunner started.
> Mar 10 19:22:51 2003 (9613) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
> Mar 10 19:22:51 2003 (9612) CommandRunner qrunner started.
> Mar 10 19:22:52 2003 (9614) NewsRunner qrunner started.
> Mar 10 19:22:52 2003 (9615) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
> Mar 10 19:22:52 2003 (9616) VirginRunner qrunner started.
> 
> Yes, I am subscribed to the list---here is from the "subscribe" log:
> 
> Mar 10 19:03:43 2003 (9552) argentina-feca: new "elena at inca.math.indiana.edu" <>
> Mar 10 19:03:43 2003 (9552) argentina-feca: new "majogm at fibertel.com.ar" <>
> 
> The Web-admin pages show up just fine.  They show that I am subscribed.
> They also show that my preference is to receive copy of my own
> postings, so if I am sending mail to the list, mailman should
> spit out a copy back to me.  Finally, when I go to the Moderation
> page, that page shows that there is no pending business.
> 
> # ./version
> Using Mailman version: 2.1.1
> 
> I am also using the latest stable python for Solaris (downloaded it
> and installed it just for mailman).
> 
> I'll keep looking.  I'll recheck perms...  Maybe the directories and
> subdirectories are not rightly set.  They are:
> 
> # ls -l
> total 38
> drwxrwsr-x  11 elena    mailman     1536 Mar 10 18:52 Mailman
> drwxrwsr-x   4 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:50 archives
> drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman     1024 Mar 10 19:00 bin
> drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:50 cgi-bin
> drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 11 03:27 cron
> drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 19:22 data
> drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:50 icons
> drwxrwsr-x   4 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 19:02 lists
> drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 11 09:06 locks
> drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 19:01 logs
> drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:50 mail
> drwxrwsr-x  18 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:52 messages
> drwxrwsr-x   6 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:50 pythonlib
> drwxrwsr-x  10 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:56 qfiles
> drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 19:04 scripts
> drwxrwsr-x   2 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:50 spam
> drwxrwsr-x  21 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:52 templates
> drwxrwsr-x   4 elena    mailman      512 Mar 10 18:52 tests
> 
> I ran bin/check_perms, and it said "No problems found."
> Best, and thanks,
> elena (no threats, you see... :-))
> 

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 11 22:08:30 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Mar 2003 16:08:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman  installation, How to from source
	[newbieish]
In-Reply-To: <003501c2e7f1$df07a530$6501a8c0@ptsem.edu>
References: <003501c2e7f1$df07a530$6501a8c0@ptsem.edu>
Message-ID: <1047416914.1740.223.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Mike you can find more detail in the Archives (or the FAQ), but here it
is in a nutshell:
 - Create a user and a group called "mailman"
 - Version 2.0.13 will use the home directory of the "mailman" user so
make sure that it exists and that the directory belongs to both the user
and group "mailman".  In version 2.1.x you will need to create
/usr/local/mailman and set its owner and group to "mailman".
 - Download the source to a temporary directory (DO NOT download it to
/home/mailman or to /usr/local/mailman)
 - Unpack the source:
     tar -xzf mailman-.tgz
 - This will create a "mailman-" directory in your temporary
directory. Change into this directory
 - Read the file: INSTALL
 - Read the file: README.SENDMAIL (if you use sendmail)

  ./configure
  make install

The "configure" command looks at your system/setup and tries to figure
out a the best way to install Mailman.  It will fail if you are missing
some key prerequisites (like the proper version of python install on
your system)

The "make install" command will modify some of the source files to match
your system and then copy the Mailman files to their proper locations
(/home/mailman -or- /usr/local/mailman, depending on your version)

 - Change to the Mailman directory (which I will hereafter refer to as
~mailman) and look for a subdirectory called cron.  You will need to
load up the cron entries for the mailman user.  The cron entries are
scheduled programs and scripts.  These do various maintenance items like
mail out monthly passwords and do regular check-ups on your Mailman
databases.
    cd cron  
    crontab -u mailman crontab.in

 - To create a new Mailing list:
    ~mailman/bin/newlist 

Note: for version 2.1.x you *must* create a list called "mailman" as the
first list.  Add yourself and any other admins as a user of that list. 
It is used for error reporting, and various alerts.

In version 2.0.13 when you run "newlist" it prints out a list of aliases
that *you* must cut and paste into the /etc/aliases file for your system
(after which you must then run "newaliases").

 - Follow the directions of the INSTALL file and modify your Apache
configurations to setup the /mailman and /pipermail CGI's

  #
  #  httpd configuration settings for use with mailman.
  #

  ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
  Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/

        Options +FollowSymlinks

 - Restart Apache

That should just about do it for you.  The most common problems are:
 - Running the Mail server with some weird or non-existent GroupID
 - Running Apache with no GroupID
 - Manually moving or playing around with the Mailman created
directories which changes their rights and can "accidentally" remove the
sugid settings.

You can fix the group problems by modifying your MTA and/or Apache Group
settings, or by re-running the Mailman installation and choosing some
special switches to include on the "./configure" command.

You can fix the directory rights issues by running:
  ~mailman/bin/check_perms

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 12:15, Mike wrote:
> Sorry this seems newbieish, however, i've been having a bit of trouble getting mailman to run.  Currently we use a microsoft exchange server for our main e-mail, but i would like to setup a better system for mailing lists and such so we decided to install redhat 8 on it and use mailman.  I followed the instructions and  on the download page and unpac ked it into  a mailman directory within the home directory.  Unfortunatly i'm not very clear on what to do next.  The documentation says it contains all information about installing it , however, all i notice is a list of the scripts.  is there further directions to help me get mailman running on my system, or ist there anyone who wouldn't mind helping me through it.  I would appriciate it very much.
> 
> Thanks ahead of time,
> Mike
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> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 11 22:14:45 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Mar 2003 16:14:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  parent/umbrella lists, posting of
	members/non-members, ...
In-Reply-To: <20030311155718.GA21037@polaris.logic.tuwien.ac.at>
References: <20030311133218.GA20645@polaris.logic.tuwien.ac.at>
	<1047392846.1740.88.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> 
	<20030311155718.GA21037@polaris.logic.tuwien.ac.at>
Message-ID: <1047417289.2374.227.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

> > > The last point is in fact interesting: I cannot see how to solve: list
> > > members should be able to post without approval, all other should be
> > > allowed to post but only WITH approval. Is this possible?
> > 
> > Yes. Check out the settings in the Web-admin.  There should be toggles
> > in the Privacy options section.
> 
> * member_posting_only (privacy): Restrict posting privilege to list
> members? (member_posting_only)
> 
> Use this option if you want to restrict posting to list members. If you
> want list members to be able to post, plus a handful of other posters,
> see the posters setting below
> 

Looks like you found it.

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 11 22:22:02 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Mar 2003 16:22:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature end of script headers
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1047417726.1740.231.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 13:59, Dirk Nordmann wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a similar problem as Scott Rogers, but I can not find a solution at
> all.
> 
> I receive 'Internal Server Error' in the browser window and in
> /var/log/httpd/error_log I receive the 'Premature end of script headers'
> error.
> 
> If I execute /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin being root it outputs the GID error
> (as expected). If I set the current user to wwwrun (which is running the
> Apache) and execute /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin then it works fine and
> outputs HTML (no GID error!).

Just curious... what happens if you capture the output to a static file
and view that?

What are your apache settings for /mailman ?

From matt at minahangroup.com  Tue Mar 11 22:33:03 2003
From: matt at minahangroup.com (Matt Minahan)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:33:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What Triggers Digests?
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030311163059.02c158a8@mail.speakeasy.net>

OK, Mailfolks, we're running Mn2.1.  Lists set to send digest at 
100K.  We've never reached that size, and so the digests normally go out at 
12:00:01am.

Yesterday, the digest pops out at 4:15pm, with a size of 78K.

Any idea why?

Thanks for your help on this.

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
                 Matt Minahan, Ed.D

Organization Strategy,  Design, and  Development
http://www.minahangroup.com   Ph:  301-625-0101
email:matt at minahangroup.com   Fx:  301-625-0202

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ 

From gwells at stetson.edu  Tue Mar 11 22:32:37 2003
From: gwells at stetson.edu (Glenda Wells)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:32:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add & Delete
Message-ID: <4E77ED584888D61193F200D0B74A0E45118469@bowler.stetson.edu>

I'm new to this system so please forgive if I'm asking a question that's
already been addressed.  I did a search of the archives but did not see this
addressed.

I need to delete several thousand addresses and add several thousand.  The
system seems to only delete about 1,000 per hour.  

Is that standard?  Is there anyway to speed it up?  Will it take the same
length of time to add new addresses?

Thanks for any advice. 

thx. /g (7088, 717-4664)

From dn at hoffmann-liebenberg.de  Tue Mar 11 22:37:50 2003
From: dn at hoffmann-liebenberg.de (Dirk Nordmann)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:37:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature end of script headers
In-Reply-To: <1047417726.1740.231.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: 

Hi Jon,

I captured the output for root and wwwrun to the static files attached to
this message.
The server produces the following:
http://p10088349.pureserver.de/mailman/admin/test

My apache settings for mailman are:

    Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"

        Options +FollowSymlinks

    ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"

Regards,
Dirk Nordmann

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. M?rz 2003 22:22
An: dn at hoffmannliebenberg.de
Cc: Mailman users Mailing list; Frank Hoffmann
Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] Premature end of script headers

On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 13:59, Dirk Nordmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a similar problem as Scott Rogers, but I can not find a solution at
> all.
>
> I receive 'Internal Server Error' in the browser window and in
> /var/log/httpd/error_log I receive the 'Premature end of script headers'
> error.
>
> If I execute /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin being root it outputs the GID
error
> (as expected). If I set the current user to wwwrun (which is running the
> Apache) and execute /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin then it works fine and
> outputs HTML (no GID error!).

Just curious... what happens if you capture the output to a static file
and view that?

What are your apache settings for /mailman ?

From elena at inca.math.indiana.edu  Tue Mar 11 22:23:34 2003
From: elena at inca.math.indiana.edu (Elena Fraboschi)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:23:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From a newbie
Message-ID: <200303112123.QAA24761@inca.math.indiana.edu>

Hi Jon,  Here is the logs directory.

# ls -ltr
total 20
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman      454 Mar 11 13:37 subscribe
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman        0 Mar 11 14:06 error
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman       98 Mar 11 14:08 post
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman      963 Mar 11 14:29 smtp
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman        0 Mar 11 15:52 vette
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     6756 Mar 11 16:16 qrunner

I did not have a "vette" file, so I created with cp /dev/null vette
"vette" and "error" give nothing.  "post" gives the sole message
that was delivered:

Mar 11 14:08:04 2003 (11306) post to mailman from elena at inca.math.indiana.edu, 
size=1825, success

"smtp" shows other messages that were received, and that form part
of digest.mbox, though they were never delivered:

# more smtp
Mar 10 18:56:41 2003 (9505) 
 smtp for 1 recips, 
comple
ted in 0.420 seconds
Mar 10 19:22:53 2003 (9615) 
 smtp for 1 recips, 
comple
ted in 0.724 seconds
Mar 11 13:28:38 2003 (10957) 
 smtp for 1 
recips
, completed in 0.275 seconds
Mar 11 14:07:44 2003 (11299) 
 smtp for 1 
recips
, completed in 0.821 seconds
Mar 11 14:08:04 2003 (11306) <200303110018.TAA22907 at inca.math.indiana.edu> smtp 
for 2 recips, completed in 0.739 s
econds
Mar 11 14:08:22 2003 (11316) 
 smtp for 1 
recips
, completed in 0.373 seconds
Mar 11 14:29:48 2003 (11454) 
 smtp for 1 
recips
, completed in 0.693 seconds

qrunner shows a completely normal qrunner.

I am beginning to suspect that, with so much "tweaking," I may
have corrupted permissions.  "check_perms" still says "No
problems found."  I wonder whether anyone can look into the
Mailman and the tests directories (just for random sampling)
and say whether their permissions are 755 or 775.  I think
I am looking at a re-install, without really knowing what to
do differently. :-(  Many thanks, elena

Mailman directory (in part):

drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      512 Mar 10 18:52 Archiver
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     1608 Mar 10 18:50 Autoresponder.py
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     1117 Mar 10 18:52 Autoresponder.pyc
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman    12108 Mar 10 18:50 Bouncer.py
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman    10639 Mar 10 18:52 Bouncer.pyc
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman     1024 Mar 10 18:52 Bouncers
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman     1024 Mar 10 18:52 Cgi
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman     1024 Mar 10 18:52 Commands
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman    51978 Mar 10 18:50 Defaults.py
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman    19587 Mar 10 18:52 Defaults.pyc
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     5644 Mar 10 18:50 Deliverer.py

tests directory (in part)

-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman     2279 Mar 10 18:52 EmailBase.py
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman     1878 Mar 10 18:52 TestBase.py
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman     1536 Mar 10 18:52 bounces
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     1358 Mar 10 18:52 fblast.py
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      512 Mar 10 18:52 msgs
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     2521 Mar 10 18:52 onebounce.py
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman     2430 Mar 10 18:50 paths.py
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman     7288 Mar 10 18:52 test_bounces.py
-r

From dn at hoffmann-liebenberg.de  Tue Mar 11 22:53:46 2003
From: dn at hoffmann-liebenberg.de (Dirk Nordmann)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:53:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature end of script headers
In-Reply-To: <1047417726.1740.231.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: 

Hi Jon,

I captured the output for root and wwwrun to the static files attached to
this message.
The server produces the following:
http://p10088349.pureserver.de/mailman/admin/test

My apache settings for mailman are:

    Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"

        Options +FollowSymlinks

    ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"

Regards,
Dirk Nordmann

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. M?rz 2003 22:22
An: dn at hoffmannliebenberg.de
Cc: Mailman users Mailing list; Frank Hoffmann
Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] Premature end of script headers

On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 13:59, Dirk Nordmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a similar problem as Scott Rogers, but I can not find a solution at
> all.
>
> I receive 'Internal Server Error' in the browser window and in
> /var/log/httpd/error_log I receive the 'Premature end of script headers'
> error.
>
> If I execute /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin being root it outputs the GID
error
> (as expected). If I set the current user to wwwrun (which is running the
> Apache) and execute /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin then it works fine and
> outputs HTML (no GID error!).

Just curious... what happens if you capture the output to a static file
and view that?

What are your apache settings for /mailman ?

From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Mar 12 04:04:21 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:04:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 14 hours and still not there
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030311191658.00b8acd8@mail.thcwd.com>

Jon Carnes wrote:
>So you need to setup the chrooted smrsh and setup the mailman groups and
>user in the local /etc of the chroot.

      Got that covered, been putting everything in both /etc and chroot etc .

>The main problem I had at the time was getting python to work inside the
>Chroot.  I had to install it from source inside the Chroot (the system
>version was way behind).

      I have seen no problem with that yet, maybe I have not gotten far 
enough?  I can certainly run the Python set up in the Chroot and see if it 
helps.

>I'll take you up on that!  That's why I'm sharing my notes.

      Appreciate it.  My first attempt hosed my server and all the sites 
went down - but I had back ups of changed files and we able to recover in a 
heart stopped 90 seconds.  Apparently changes in /etc/group and/or 
/etc/passwd must be accompanied by a change some place else as my httpd 
restart failed with:

Processing config file: /etc/httpd/conf/virtual/site1
httpd: bad group name admin1

      I'm guessing I need to go to that file and change  'Group admin1' to 
'Group 12' ?

      The again there is  /etc/appliance/apacheconf/site1 with the same 
entry.  Google here I come.

Me:
> > One other question, on getting CGI to run.  Apparently Ensim won't
> > deal with cgi files that have permissions above 755.  When I ran a
> > re-configure after changing the CGI directories to 755, the checkperms saw
> > this as an error and changed it.  If I change the permissions after I'm up
> > and running is this going to break anything in Mailman?

Thee:
>I don't think this is exactly true.  Your chroot environment has a
>limited amount of UserID's and GroupID's that are available to be used
>inside (and really outside as well) the Chroot.

      I've seen this mentioned on a number of Ensim lists, it just won't 
work with anything over 755.  When I get far enough it matters, I'll dig 
into it more.

      As for lack of web pages, I assume that is because the cgi programs 
don't run?  Are the web pages real or created on the fly?  And if real, 
where are they supposed to reside?  I tried manually creating pages and 
could not get to them, apparently a redirect was sending me else where.  I 
have not dissected it yet, but any hints would be appreciated.

<>< Paul

From jsmith at retiredmarines.com  Wed Mar 12 06:48:05 2003
From: jsmith at retiredmarines.com (Joseph Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:48:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbe Headaches
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030311214305.02590ad8@mail.retiredmarines.com>

Good Evening folks,

I have just reinstalled Mailman for the third time and I am obviously doing 
something wrong.

I have freebsd 4.7 running with sendmail

The list is setup and only a few test users are added.  Mailman sends out 
the subscription notification to the users.

As soon as I send a post to Mailman here is my error.

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed)
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable

Now I have added the link as stated in the reading material provided.  I 
know I am missing something real smapp but it seem that the wrapper is not 
handling this task properely or its not working with smrsh right.

Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Joe

From maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch  Wed Mar 12 15:44:52 2003
From: maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch (Martin Maechler)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:44:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	How does MM 2.1.1 catch bounces? -- too many "Uncaught.."
Message-ID: <15983.18404.36798.199254@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

We have upgraded to 2.1.1 about 2 weeks ago.
We have about 20 mailing lists, totalling about 70-100 messages
a day -- although mainly from one 1-3 lists.

I've been getting half a dozen "Uncaught bounce notification"
messages a day, and had been ignoring them more or less --
hoping mailman would somehow do things automagically.
Now that I've read the related info more carefully, I realize
these are just the bounces that mailman is *not* able to deal
with automatically.
I've looked at some and really wondered _why_ mailman couldn't
figure out the E-mail address that bounced when it looked very
obvious to the human eye.

- Hints?
- To whom could I forward examples of these?

Thank you,
Martin Maechler 	http://stat.ethz.ch/~maechler/
Seminar fuer Statistik, ETH-Zentrum  LEO C16	Leonhardstr. 27
ETH (Federal Inst. Technology)	8092 Zurich	SWITZERLAND
phone: x-41-1-632-3408		fax: ...-1228			<><

From admin at linux.groningen.net  Wed Mar 12 15:46:16 2003
From: admin at linux.groningen.net (Thijs Koetsier)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:46:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing text and layout
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030311214305.02590ad8@mail.retiredmarines.com>
Message-ID: <006201c2e8a6$2373c500$340aa8c0@luna>

Hello all,

I'm trying to customize the Mailman interface pages, mainly translating
the text. I've done so with the files located in /mailman/lists/listname
(listinfo.html, options.html, etc.) However, in the listinfo page other
text is placed by including . I cannot seem to
find out where the text is located which this message prints. Can
anybody perhaps help me with this by telling where I can find this text?

Another problem I'm facing; I'm trying to include a CSS-file in
listinfo.html. Therefore, I've added the line 
 to the file, like I
always do with these lines. In my editor, the results of this include do
show, but they do not on the server (when I open the page on the web).
I've ofcourse uploaded the mailman.css file to the same folder as the
listinfo.html is in. 
Anybody knows what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks in advance for any answers.

With kind regards,
Thijs Koetsier

From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Wed Mar 12 15:55:53 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:55:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 	How does MM 2.1.1 catch bounces? -- too many
	"Uncaught.."
In-Reply-To: <15983.18404.36798.199254@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <15983.18404.36798.199254@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <3E6F4A79.7050600@mitre.org>

Martin,

Have you read through these messages?  Some of the ones I get include 
"out of office" messages or other auto-generated messages that aren't 
really "bounce" messages.  I.e., they don't indicate a problem 
delivering the mail.

My theory is that when I have time I will try and filter out the most 
common ones with procmail or the like.

But you certainly don't want someone's account disabled because of some 
of these messages.

Martin Maechler wrote:
> We have upgraded to 2.1.1 about 2 weeks ago.
> We have about 20 mailing lists, totalling about 70-100 messages
> a day -- although mainly from one 1-3 lists.
> 
> I've been getting half a dozen "Uncaught bounce notification"
> messages a day, and had been ignoring them more or less --
> hoping mailman would somehow do things automagically.
> Now that I've read the related info more carefully, I realize
> these are just the bounces that mailman is *not* able to deal
> with automatically.
> I've looked at some and really wondered _why_ mailman couldn't
> figure out the E-mail address that bounced when it looked very
> obvious to the human eye.
> 
> - Hints?
> - To whom could I forward examples of these?

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

From maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch  Wed Mar 12 16:12:25 2003
From: maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch (Martin Maechler)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:12:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does MM 2.1.1 catch bounces? -- too many
	"Uncaught.."
In-Reply-To: <3E6F4A79.7050600@mitre.org>
References: <15983.18404.36798.199254@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E6F4A79.7050600@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <15983.20057.3925.641792@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

>>>>> "John" == John DeCarlo 
>>>>>     on Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:55:53 -0500 writes:

    John> Martin,
    John> Have you read through these messages?  
yes, (of course)!

    John> Some of the ones I get include "out of office"
    John> messages or other auto-generated messages that aren't
    John> really "bounce" messages.  I.e., they don't indicate a
    John> problem delivering the mail.

    John> My theory is that when I have time I will try and filter out the most 
    John> common ones with procmail or the like.

    John> But you certainly don't want someone's account
    John> disabled because of some of these messages.

agreed.
But here I give an example of one where I think mailman should
have figured it out:

  From: MAILER-DAEMON at guppy.vub.ac.be (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  To: 
  Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
  Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:58:45 +0100 (MET)

  The original message was received at Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:58:44 +0100 (MET)
  from hypatia.ethz.ch [129.132.58.23]

     ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  ... while talking to akasolvr.vub.ac.be.:
  >>> RCPT To:
  <<< 553 ... User mathie.roelants unknown at vub.ac.be
  550 ... User unknown

     ----- Message header follows -----

    John> Martin Maechler wrote:
    >> We have upgraded to 2.1.1 about 2 weeks ago.
    >> We have about 20 mailing lists, totalling about 70-100 messages
    >> a day -- although mainly from one 1-3 lists.
    >> 
    >> I've been getting half a dozen "Uncaught bounce notification"
    >> messages a day, and had been ignoring them more or less --
    >> hoping mailman would somehow do things automagically.
    >> Now that I've read the related info more carefully, I realize
    >> these are just the bounces that mailman is *not* able to deal
    >> with automatically.
    >> I've looked at some and really wondered _why_ mailman couldn't
    >> figure out the E-mail address that bounced when it looked very
    >> obvious to the human eye.
    >> 
    >> - Hints?
    >> - To whom could I forward examples of these?

    John> -- 

    John> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Wed Mar 12 16:19:24 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:19:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does MM 2.1.1 catch bounces? -- too many
 "Uncaught.."
In-Reply-To: <15983.20057.3925.641792@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <15983.18404.36798.199254@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E6F4A79.7050600@mitre.org> <15983.20057.3925.641792@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <3E6F4FFC.1020707@mitre.org>

Martin,

I would submit this as a bug and include the messages that you think 
should be caught, especially "user unknown".

This URL tells you how to submit a bug report:

http://mailman.sourceforge.net/bugs.html

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

From david at midrange.com  Wed Mar 12 16:16:35 2003
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:16:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman + spamassassin
References: <20030310200520.GB834@freesources.org>
Message-ID: 

"Jonas Meurer"  wrote in message
news:20030310200520.GB834 at freesources.org...
> Hello,
> I asked already two times, but no answer, now the third try ;)
> I have mailman set up from debian/testing (2.0.13), and spamassassin
> also. Now I would like to configure mailman to filter every incoming
> mail through spamassassin. I found this patch at sourceforge, but if I
> add SpamAssassin.py to mailman/Mailman/Handlers/, and patch
> mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py, mailman gives errors. What did I
> wrong? Is there any step-by-step howto?

The SpamAssassin code needs to be compiled, I think, before it will
activate.  If you just put the py file in the installed location, it doesn't
get compiled (into a pyc file).

I implemented the SA patch without a problem, but I put the patch in the
source directory and reinstalled the whole thing.

david

From elena at inca.math.indiana.edu  Wed Mar 12 16:38:00 2003
From: elena at inca.math.indiana.edu (Elena Fraboschi)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:38:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no discernable addresses?
Message-ID: <200303121538.KAA25848@inca.math.indiana.edu>

I believe I have pinpointed the root of the problem, which was,
in a nutshell, that mailman received the messages from subscribed
members, and queued them, but failed to deliver to the list
because, it would appear from the bounces log, it does not
recognize the addresses at some point.  Here is the bounces log:

Mar 12 10:38:35 2003 (3705) bounce message w/no discernable addresses: 
<200303121531.KAA25827 at inca.math.indiana.edu
u>
Mar 12 10:38:35 2003 (3705) forwarding unrecognized, message-id: 
<200303121531.KAA25827 at inca.math.indiana.edu>

Now, at some point "elena at inca.math.indiana.edu" got converted to
"date+msg_ID at inca.math.indiana.edu".

Any advice?  Many thanks, best, elena

P.D.  This is today's behavior, after recompiling and re-installing
anew.  It seems to be an improvement on yesterday.  At least I now
have something to work on.

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 12 17:14:29 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:14:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 14 hours and still not there
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030311191658.00b8acd8@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c2e8b2$76336e60$1401a8c0@anncons>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul H Byerly" 
> Thee:
> >I don't think this is exactly true.  Your chroot environment has a
> >limited amount of UserID's and GroupID's that are available to be used
> >inside (and really outside as well) the Chroot.
>
>       I've seen this mentioned on a number of Ensim lists, it just won't
> work with anything over 755.  When I get far enough it matters, I'll dig
> into it more.

Interesting, because I remember using UID and GID's that were in the 1000+
range for the chroot (but that was six months ago so I could just be
hallucinating)

>       As for lack of web pages, I assume that is because the cgi programs
> don't run?  Are the web pages real or created on the fly?  And if real,
> where are they supposed to reside?  I tried manually creating pages and
> could not get to them, apparently a redirect was sending me else where.  I
> have not dissected it yet, but any hints would be appreciated.
>
The web-pages are generated via the GGI's, but you can check them out
simply:
 - Chroot yourself
 - su as the local chrooted user that runs the webserver (generally the
admin of the chroot)
 - run the admin cgi from the command line:  ~mailman/cgi-gin/admin

This should dump out the source of a web-page to the command line (like when
you look at a web-page and click on "View Source".  It's a simple check.  If
that works then your Mailman install is working fine and the problems must
be in the Chroot web-server setup.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 12 17:28:16 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:28:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbe Headaches
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030311214305.02590ad8@mail.retiredmarines.com>
Message-ID: <003001c2e8b4$62847380$1401a8c0@anncons>

Well, you could disable the Smrsh control from within Sendmail - or - you
could look up on your system where Smrsh's link directory should be located.
You may have to create the directory and then create your links to the
Mailman executables.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

BTW: there are some recent expositions about Smrsh in the Archives that
contain more info about Smrsh and its default settings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Smith" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:48 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbe Headaches

> Good Evening folks,
>
> I have just reinstalled Mailman for the third time and I am obviously
doing
> something wrong.
>
> I have freebsd 4.7 running with sendmail
>
> The list is setup and only a few test users are added.  Mailman sends out
> the subscription notification to the users.
>
> As soon as I send a post to Mailman here is my error.
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed)
> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
>
> Now I have added the link as stated in the reading material provided.  I
> know I am missing something real smapp but it seem that the wrapper is not
> handling this task properely or its not working with smrsh right.
>
> Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Joe
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com

From elena at inca.math.indiana.edu  Wed Mar 12 18:28:31 2003
From: elena at inca.math.indiana.edu (Elena Fraboschi)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:28:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem solved:  it was the MTA
Message-ID: <200303121728.MAA26183@inca.math.indiana.edu>

Well, I reasoned that mailman was working just fine, save for
the fact that it was not delivering any messages.  I went to
Mailman/Defaults.py

and there I learned that the makers of mailman, in an over-protective
move, commented out "Sendmail" as the Delivery_Module, and put
"SMTPDirect" instead.  All that is fine, except that there should
be a warning about this somewhere in the INSTALL docs.

I do know about the security problems with Sendmail, and I am
applying myself to patching my installation this afternoon.

But, from the point of view of mailman, once the correct
Delivery_Module was specified in Defaults.py, it works fast
as a whistle.

I am glad: the work paid off.  I am mad:  I hate it when something
as basic as 'Sendmail' is commented out because "You shouldn't be
running sendmail in the first place."  Fine, but tell me about it
in the README file.  I say it here in case another newbie writes
in the future with the same difficulty.

Many thanks to all who bothered with my problem.  Best, elena

From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Mar 12 18:40:51 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:40:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] let me clarify
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030312113531.05bdbe08@mail.thcwd.com>

I wrote:
> > I've seen this mentioned on a number of Ensim lists, it just won't
> > work with anything over 755.  When I get far enough it matters, I'll dig
> > into it more.

Jon said:
>Interesting, because I remember using UID and GID's that were in the 1000+
>range for the chroot (but that was six months ago so I could just be
>hallucinating)

      Sorry, I did not quote enough to get context.  The issue here is not 
the GID's but the permissions on directories that run CGI.  As far as I can 
tell Ensim will not run CGI if the directory or script has permissions over 
755.  This conflicts with what mailman wants.  Will changing the 
permissions on the mailman cgi-bin to 755 kill mail man?

>  - su as the local chrooted user that runs the webserver (generally the
>admin of the chroot)
>  - run the admin cgi from the command line:  ~mailman/cgi-gin/admin
>
>This should dump out the source of a web-page to the command line (like when
>you look at a web-page and click on "View Source".  It's a simple check.  If
>that works then your Mailman install is working fine and the problems must
>be in the Chroot web-server setup.

      Ah, another problem.  'Mailman expected the CGI wrapper script to be 
executed as group "apache", but
the system's web server executed the CGI script as group "admin". '  That I 
can fix by rerunning configure .... I think!

      That plain Red Hat box is looking cheaper and cheaper!

Don't mess with me, I know how to change my laser printer from stun to kill!
<>< Paul

From jsmith at retiredmarines.com  Wed Mar 12 19:02:13 2003
From: jsmith at retiredmarines.com (Joseph Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:02:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different Errors this time
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030312095939.01fa0008@mail.retiredmarines.com>

  Hello again,

I corrected and followed the information from an earlier post to solve the 
smrsh issue and now I get the following msg back when sending to the list.

I can read what it ways but for someone new this is a headache.  I need to 
understand more then just receive and answer.

  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but
the system's mail server executed the mail script as
group "mailnull".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailnull'.
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

Any help is greatly appreciated.
Joe

From rcs at malibyte.net  Wed Mar 12 19:02:47 2003
From: rcs at malibyte.net (Bob Sully)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:02:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbe Headaches
In-Reply-To: <003001c2e8b4$62847380$1401a8c0@anncons>
Message-ID: 

Jon:

You've seen the flurry of these over the past couple of weeks.  I firmly 
believe that the problem lies with some mod to smrsh in the latest 
versions of Sendmail.  I had previously been running 2.0.13 with 
Sendmail 8.12.3 without a problem...after upgrading to 8.12.7 I got the 
same message as below; same thing with 8.12.8.  The only way to get 
around this is to disable smrsh in sendmail.mc -> sendmail.cf.  This is 
bothersome, as smrsh does have some (albeit minor?) security value.  I'd 
like to see a fix for this soon.  Perhaps we should alert the Sendmail 
developers.

-- Bob --

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Jon Carnes wrote:

> Well, you could disable the Smrsh control from within Sendmail - or - you
> could look up on your system where Smrsh's link directory should be located.
> You may have to create the directory and then create your links to the
> Mailman executables.
> 
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> BTW: there are some recent expositions about Smrsh in the Archives that
> contain more info about Smrsh and its default settings.

> >
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed)
> > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable

-- 
________________________________________
Bob Sully - Simi Valley, California, USA
http://www.malibyte.net

"The waiting is the hardest part." - T. Petty

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Mar 12 19:02:16 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:02:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem solved:  it was the MTA
In-Reply-To: <200303121728.MAA26183@inca.math.indiana.edu>
References: <200303121728.MAA26183@inca.math.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <20030312180216.GW22821@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Elena Fraboschi wrote:
> and there I learned that the makers of mailman, in an over-protective
> move, commented out "Sendmail" as the Delivery_Module, and put
> "SMTPDirect" instead.  All that is fine, except that there should
> be a warning about this somewhere in the INSTALL docs.

There isn't a warning because you the Sendmail DELIVERY_MODULE is not
supposed to be used in a production environment.  The comments in Default.py
direct you to read Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py if you want to use it.  When
you read that file, you see this:

    WARNING WARNING WARNING: This module is provided for example
    purposes only.  It should not be used in a production environment
    for reasons described below.  Because of this, you must
    explicitly enable it with by editing the code.  See the WARN
    section in the process() function.

    This module delivers the message via the command line interface
    to the sendmail program.  It should work for sendmail clones like
    Postfix.  It is expected that sendmail handles final delivery,
    message queueing, etc.  The recipient list is only trivially
    split so that the command line is less than about 3k in size.

    SECURITY WARNING: Because this module uses os.popen(), it goes
    through the shell.  This module does not scan the arguments for
    potential exploits and so it should be considered unsafe for
    production use.  For performance reasons, it's not recommended
    either -- use the SMTPDirect delivery module instead, even if
    you're using the sendmail MTA.

    DUPLICATES WARNING: Using this module can cause duplicates to be
    delivered to your membership, depending on your MTA!  E.g. It is
    known that if you're using the sendmail MTA, and if a message
    contains a single dot on a line by itself, your list members will
    receive many duplicates.

That's a pretty strong warning against using this in production.

> I do know about the security problems with Sendmail, and I am
> applying myself to patching my installation this afternoon.

There is nothing wrong with using sendmail as your MTA with mailman.  Lots
of people do this (despite sendmail's horrid .cf file, IMO ;).

The DELIVERY_MODULE setting simply changes the method by which mail gets
from mailman to your MTA.  The default (and preferred) way is to use SMTP to
talk to your MTA.  Changing the DELIVERY_MODULE to Sendmail.py uses the
command line interface to any sendmail compatible MTA (like Postfix).

> But, from the point of view of mailman, once the correct
> Delivery_Module was specified in Defaults.py, it works fast
> as a whistle.

I might not understand completely what problems you were having, but if the
default DELIVERY_MODULE setting wasn't working, is it possible that you
didn't have your MTA running or configured to accept mail from mailman?

> I am glad: the work paid off.  I am mad:  I hate it when something
> as basic as 'Sendmail' is commented out because "You shouldn't be
> running sendmail in the first place."  Fine, but tell me about it
> in the README file.  I say it here in case another newbie writes
> in the future with the same difficulty.

It's not in the README because it's considered experimental and unsecured.
The mailman developers aren't trying to be mean or shove their views down
users throats.  In fact, the developers I've seen all seem like really nice
folks. :)

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
Ammunition beats persuasion when you are looking for freedom.
    -- Will Rogers

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From damason at redshift.com  Wed Mar 12 19:27:43 2003
From: damason at redshift.com (David A. Mason)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:27:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Proper Editing of Welcome Message
Message-ID: <01b001c2e8c5$1636d9d0$270610ac@DMASON>

Greetings, Mailman users.

I would like to tweak the welcome message of one of the lists on our list
server in such a way that it would not invite the users to post to the list.
I do not see an interface for this in the Mailman web interface, and I don't
want indiscriminately to edit files in such a way that it would effect all
of the lists.

Is there a correct way in which to do this?

Thanks,
DAM

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Mar 12 19:35:45 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:35:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different Errors this time
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030312095939.01fa0008@mail.retiredmarines.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030312095939.01fa0008@mail.retiredmarines.com>
Message-ID: <20030312183545.GY22821@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Joseph Smith wrote:
>  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
> wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but
> the system's mail server executed the mail script as
> group "mailnull".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
> script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
> providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailnull'.
> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
>
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.

Just rerun ./configure adding --with-mail-gid=mailnull to any other options
you used previously.  Then do make and make install and that should get you
over that hurdle.  Don't forget to restart mailmanctl if it's running, I
would imagine that's necessary.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
It is not who governs, but what government is entitled to do, that is the
essential problem.
    -- Charles G. Bragg

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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Mar 12 19:40:54 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:40:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Proper Editing of Welcome Message
In-Reply-To: <01b001c2e8c5$1636d9d0$270610ac@DMASON>
References: <01b001c2e8c5$1636d9d0$270610ac@DMASON>
Message-ID: <20030312184054.GZ22821@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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David A. Mason wrote:
> I would like to tweak the welcome message of one of the lists on our list
> server in such a way that it would not invite the users to post to the list.
> I do not see an interface for this in the Mailman web interface, and I don't
> want indiscriminately to edit files in such a way that it would effect all
> of the lists.
>
> Is there a correct way in which to do this?

If you're using 2.1 you should copy the template file from
~mailman/templates/ to ~mailman/lists//

Then edit subscribeack.txt to remove the reference to posting.

If you're using 2.0 you can't do this without patching mailman to look in
the list dirs for templates.  I did this fairly easily using some
suggestions I found in the list archives.  But moving to 2.1 is much easier
and has many other benefits, so that'd be the ideal solution.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
No man will ever bring out of the Presidency the reputation which
carried him into it.
    -- Thomas Jefferson

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 12 19:52:20 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Mar 2003 13:52:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different Errors this time
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030312095939.01fa0008@mail.retiredmarines.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030312095939.01fa0008@mail.retiredmarines.com>
Message-ID: <1047495144.1649.15.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Please see the FAQ

In a nutshell it will tell you that Mailman's CGI's are setup with a
security feature during the install.  The feature only allows someone
with the proper GroupID to run the CGI's.

The scripts that are run via your MTA (mail-server) should be set to
only run for someone with a GroupID of "mailnull".  This is because
*your* mail-server runs as GroupID "mailnull"

To set this up, you need to rerun the ./configure command (assuming you
installed this from source):
  ./configure --with-mail-gid=mailnull
  make install

Note: this will not hurt any of your current lists or list values
(unless you modified the ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py file instead of
the mm_cfg.py file).  So fixing this should be a five minute job.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 13:02, Joseph Smith wrote:
>   Hello again,
> 
> I corrected and followed the information from an earlier post to solve the 
> smrsh issue and now I get the following msg back when sending to the list.
> 
> I can read what it ways but for someone new this is a headache.  I need to 
> understand more then just receive and answer.
> 
> 
>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
> wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but
> the system's mail server executed the mail script as
> group "mailnull".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
> script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
> providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailnull'.
> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
> 
> 
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
> Joe
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com

From elena at inca.math.indiana.edu  Wed Mar 12 19:45:35 2003
From: elena at inca.math.indiana.edu (Elena Fraboschi)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:45:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem solved:  it was the MTA
Message-ID: <200303121845.NAA26489@inca.math.indiana.edu>

ugh, you must be a developer... :-)  (just in case, here comes
another one ;-))

My problem was that mailman received all fine, queued all fine,
and never delivered a thing.  Obviously my sendmail was running.
When I changed DELIVERY_MODULE from SMTPDirect to Sendmail,
it worked just fine.

Now, I do not understand this:

First you wrote:

That's a pretty strong warning against using this in production.

And then you wrote:

"There is nothing wrong with using sendmail as your MTA with mailman.  Lots
of people do this (despite sendmail's horrid .cf file, IMO ;)."

So, my problem (one of my many problems :-)) is that, I suppose, I
do not know what the hell is SMTPDirect, except that it is not something
standard in Solaris 8, because I have the full distribution.

Now, might mailman work if I just put SMTP instead of SMTPDirect?
Any comments?

As for all the warnings you cited, right, I read them.  I read them
*after* I discovered what the problem was, which took me 24 hours...
My only point is that I would not see anything wrong if the README
file, the one we read when we install the thing, had said:

"By the way, take a look at Defaults.py.  It may well be that your
sistem does not use SMTPDirect bla bla bla."

Best, elena

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 12 20:34:29 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Mar 2003 14:34:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbe Headaches
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1047497673.1649.28.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Most of these (I think) were from folks upgrading their Sendmail due to
the recent vulnerability and subsequent update release.  I would hope
that folks using package management (like rpm or apt-get) would have no
problems if they used the updated packages for their distributions.

If folks are installing from source they could easily overlook the
placement of the smrsh directories...

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 13:02, Bob Sully wrote:
> 
> Jon:
> 
> You've seen the flurry of these over the past couple of weeks.  I firmly 
> believe that the problem lies with some mod to smrsh in the latest 
> versions of Sendmail.  I had previously been running 2.0.13 with 
> Sendmail 8.12.3 without a problem...after upgrading to 8.12.7 I got the 
> same message as below; same thing with 8.12.8.  The only way to get 
> around this is to disable smrsh in sendmail.mc -> sendmail.cf.  This is 
> bothersome, as smrsh does have some (albeit minor?) security value.  I'd 
> like to see a fix for this soon.  Perhaps we should alert the Sendmail 
> developers.
> 
> -- Bob --
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> > Well, you could disable the Smrsh control from within Sendmail - or - you
> > could look up on your system where Smrsh's link directory should be located.
> > You may have to create the directory and then create your links to the
> > Mailman executables.
> > 
> > Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> > 
> > BTW: there are some recent expositions about Smrsh in the Archives that
> > contain more info about Smrsh and its default settings.
> 
> > >
> > >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > > smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed)
> > > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
> 
> -- 
> ________________________________________
> Bob Sully - Simi Valley, California, USA
> http://www.malibyte.net
> 
> "The waiting is the hardest part." - T. Petty
> 
> 

From elena at inca.math.indiana.edu  Wed Mar 12 20:29:57 2003
From: elena at inca.math.indiana.edu (Elena Fraboschi)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:29:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem solved:  it was the MTA
Message-ID: <200303121929.OAA26663@inca.math.indiana.edu>

Thank you, Todd, for acting so irate ;-) about my bypassing
the warnings and setting up sendmail "in the raw" as opposed
to going to it via SMTPDirect.

I guess I have demonstrated to be truly a newbie but...

there is hope for me.  I decided to look into the sendmail.cf
file, and it turns out that somehow the rest of sendmail
(including listserv) was working fine, but mailman was pickier,
and wanted the canonical domain of the host given there, in 
full.  The canonical name was not there; instead, only the
short name was given (it said "mafalda" instead of
"mafalda.math.indiana.edu").  I edited sendmail.cf

Dj$w.$m

and now I can go back to having SMTPDirect.  Nifty.  Many thanks,
best, elena

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Mar 12 20:46:00 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:46:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem solved:  it was the MTA
In-Reply-To: <200303121845.NAA26489@inca.math.indiana.edu>
References: <200303121845.NAA26489@inca.math.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <20030312194600.GA22821@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Elena Fraboschi wrote:
> ugh, you must be a developer... :-)

Not even close.  (I don't even play one on TV. :)

> My problem was that mailman received all fine, queued all fine,
> and never delivered a thing.  Obviously my sendmail was running.
> When I changed DELIVERY_MODULE from SMTPDirect to Sendmail,
> it worked just fine.

That doesn't necessarily mean that the sendmail daemon was running.
Changing DELIVERY_MODULE to Sendmail calls the sendmail binary directly so
it would work even if sendmail was running in daemon mode.

One way to tell if your MTA is listening for connections via SMTP is to use
telnet, something like this:

    $ telnet localhost 25

You should get something like this:

    Trying 127.0.0.1...
    Connected to localhost.
    Escape character is '^]'.
    220 localhost ESMTP Postfix

> So, my problem (one of my many problems :-)) is that, I suppose, I
> do not know what the hell is SMTPDirect, except that it is not something
> standard in Solaris 8, because I have the full distribution.

SMTPDirect isn't a program, it's a python module in mailman.  That's what
Sendmail is too, as used by the DELIVERY_MODULE setting.  Using SMTPDirect
tells mailman that it should try to deliver mail using the SMTP protocol.

> Now, might mailman work if I just put SMTP instead of SMTPDirect?
> Any comments?

Unless you write a python module called SMTP, it would not.

> As for all the warnings you cited, right, I read them.  I read them
> *after* I discovered what the problem was, which took me 24 hours...
> My only point is that I would not see anything wrong if the README
> file, the one we read when we install the thing, had said:
>
> "By the way, take a look at Defaults.py.  It may well be that your
> sistem does not use SMTPDirect bla bla bla."

Since SMTPDirect merely tells mailman to use SMTP, and it's assumed that
you're running an SMTP server (be it sendmail, postfix, exim, qmail, etc) it
should be unnecessary to add such a warning.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
I always wanted to be a procrastinator, never got around to it.

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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Mar 12 20:51:11 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:51:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem solved:  it was the MTA
In-Reply-To: <200303121929.OAA26663@inca.math.indiana.edu>
References: <200303121929.OAA26663@inca.math.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <20030312195111.GB22821@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Elena Fraboschi wrote:
> Thank you, Todd, for acting so irate ;-) about my bypassing the warnings
> and setting up sendmail "in the raw" as opposed to going to it via
> SMTPDirect.

I guess that's like 'tough love.'  ;-)

> I guess I have demonstrated to be truly a newbie but...
>
> there is hope for me.  I decided to look into the sendmail.cf

You are a brave soul.  I only edited sendmail.cf a few times before I
switched to postfix, which uses plain english for it's config file (I know,
what a weird idea :).

> file, and it turns out that somehow the rest of sendmail (including
> listserv) was working fine, but mailman was pickier, and wanted the
> canonical domain of the host given there, in full.  The canonical name was
> not there; instead, only the short name was given (it said "mafalda"
> instead of "mafalda.math.indiana.edu").  I edited sendmail.cf
>
> Dj$w.$m
>
> and now I can go back to having SMTPDirect.  Nifty.  Many thanks,
> best, elena

Cool.  Glad it's working.  Now you can enjoy playing with the more fun parts
of mailman.  Have a good time.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
A budget is just a method of worrying before you spend money, as well as
afterward.

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 12 20:52:31 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Mar 2003 14:52:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different Errors this time
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030312112518.01fd4bc0@mail.retiredmarines.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030312105527.01f76be0@mail.retiredmarines.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20030312095939.01fa0008@mail.retiredmarines.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20030312095939.01fa0008@mail.retiredmarines.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20030312105527.01f76be0@mail.retiredmarines.com> 
	<5.2.0.9.0.20030312112518.01fd4bc0@mail.retiredmarines.com>
Message-ID: <1047498755.1645.43.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Are you running your MTA in a chroot?
Is there a group called mailnull in /etc/group?

You can check on the error manually by su-ing as a user with the GroupID
"mailnull" and then running:
  /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner

If it says: 
  "mailowner got no listname."
then Mailman is working properly

If you get the standard error that you see below 
  "Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
   wrapper script to be executed as group..."
then you have a problem with Mailman's GroupID setting.

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 14:27, Joseph Smith wrote:
> Yes
> 
> I was worried that I had really fubared this up, so I rm'ed the whole 
> mailman dir and started from scratch
> still getting the same error
> 
> which is really wierd
> 
> I mean I hate to ask stupid questions becuase the answer you gave me was 
> write there in the error. But it didn't fix it.  Being new to freebsd and 
> not using Windows of any sort is making this hard to understand all the 
> little things that have gone wrong and I have no clue over.
> 
> At 02:23 PM 3/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Did you stop and restart "mailmanctl"?
> >
> >On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 13:57, Joseph Smith wrote:
> > > Jon,
> > >
> > >
> > > I have done exactly that with no change in the error msg.
> > >
> > > Would changing the GID of the user mailman to mailnull do anything 
> > positive?
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > At 01:52 PM 3/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Please see the FAQ
> > > >
> > > >In a nutshell it will tell you that Mailman's CGI's are setup with a
> > > >security feature during the install.  The feature only allows someone
> > > >with the proper GroupID to run the CGI's.
> > > >
> > > >The scripts that are run via your MTA (mail-server) should be set to
> > > >only run for someone with a GroupID of "mailnull".  This is because
> > > >*your* mail-server runs as GroupID "mailnull"
> > > >
> > > >To set this up, you need to rerun the ./configure command (assuming you
> > > >installed this from source):
> > > >   ./configure --with-mail-gid=mailnull
> > > >   make install
> > > >
> > > >Note: this will not hurt any of your current lists or list values
> > > >(unless you modified the ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py file instead of
> > > >the mm_cfg.py file).  So fixing this should be a five minute job.
> > > >
> > > >Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> > > >
> > > >On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 13:02, Joseph Smith wrote:
> > > > >   Hello again,
> > > > >
> > > > > I corrected and followed the information from an earlier post to 
> > solve the
> > > > > smrsh issue and now I get the following msg back when sending to 
> > the list.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can read what it ways but for someone new this is a headache.  I 
> > need to
> > > > > understand more then just receive and answer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > > > > Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
> > > > > wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but
> > > > > the system's mail server executed the mail script as
> > > > > group "mailnull".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
> > > > > script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
> > > > > providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailnull'.
> > > > > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated.
> > > > > Joe

From elena at inca.math.indiana.edu  Wed Mar 12 20:49:58 2003
From: elena at inca.math.indiana.edu (Elena Fraboschi)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:49:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem solved:  it was the MTA
Message-ID: <200303121949.OAA26721@inca.math.indiana.edu>

So, I got this:

#telnet localhost 25
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 mafalda.math.indiana.edu ESMTP Sendmail bla bla bla versions

Well, let me play with the fun parts :-)  Best, elena

From rhorer at swbell.net  Wed Mar 12 21:00:02 2003
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:00:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem solved:  it was the MTA
In-Reply-To: <20030312180216.GW22821@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <200303121728.MAA26183@inca.math.indiana.edu>
 <20030312180216.GW22821@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <200303121400.02339.rhorer@swbell.net>

> But, from the point of view of mailman, once the correct
> Delivery_Module was specified in Defaults.py, it works fast
> as a whistle.

That was a typo, right?  There is ample warning in the documentation 
(and, IIRC, in the Defaults.py file itself) that changes go in 
mm_cfg.py, not in Defaults.py.

Kyle
-- 
It is better to know nothing than to have learned nothing.
                               -fortune cookie proverb

From elena at inca.math.indiana.edu  Wed Mar 12 20:58:07 2003
From: elena at inca.math.indiana.edu (Elena Fraboschi)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:58:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem solved:  it was the MTA
Message-ID: <200303121958.OAA26758@inca.math.indiana.edu>

No, it was not a typo, just an ellipsis :-)

I am very careful when it comes to changing things.  I read
that changes are not to go into Defaults, and I made the
changes in mm_cfg.py.   I just omitted the gory details :-)
(that what I put in mm_cfg.py in the end becomes Defaults).  
But you are right, I should have been more precise.  Best, elena

From marklists at mceahern.com  Wed Mar 12 21:48:50 2003
From: marklists at mceahern.com (Mark McEahern)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:48:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sitewide list
Message-ID: 

The INSTALL file recommends creating a site-wide list called mailman, but
aside from saying this is where password reminders appear to come from, it
seems short on details as to the purpose of this list.  I apologize if these
questions are answered elsewhere.  I've at least cursorily scanned the
obvious places.

Here are the questions I'm pondering...

1.  When a subscriber to a normal list (i.e., something other than the
sitewide list) subscribes, are they implicitly subscribed to the site-wide
list?

2.  After the step for creating the site-wide list, the INSTALL file says,
"You should then subscribe yourself to the mailman list."  Why?

3.  Is there any reason to display this site-wide list in the list of lists
displayed by listinfo?

4.  Is there any reason to leave the archives public?  (I guess you could
equally ask is there any reason to make them private?)

I'm just trying to understand the purpose of the site-wide list.  Any
pointers would be helpful.

Thanks,

// m

-

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 12 22:21:45 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Mar 2003 16:21:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sitewide list
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1047504108.2933.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 15:48, Mark McEahern wrote:
> The INSTALL file recommends creating a site-wide list called mailman, but
> aside from saying this is where password reminders appear to come from, it
> seems short on details as to the purpose of this list.  I apologize if these
> questions are answered elsewhere.  I've at least cursorily scanned the
> obvious places.

This list should only be for you and other system/list admins that are
in charge of the whole Mailman install.  It is for Mailman errors and
list warnings.

> 
> Here are the questions I'm pondering...
> 
> 1.  When a subscriber to a normal list (i.e., something other than the
> sitewide list) subscribes, are they implicitly subscribed to the site-wide
> list?

No.

> 2.  After the step for creating the site-wide list, the INSTALL file says,
> "You should then subscribe yourself to the mailman list."  Why?

So if Mailman has an error to report, that error ends up in the Mailbox
of someone who can handle it.

> 3.  Is there any reason to display this site-wide list in the list of lists
> displayed by listinfo?

No.  This should always be a private list.

> 4.  Is there any reason to leave the archives public?  (I guess you could
> equally ask is there any reason to make them private?)

I wouldn't save archives for error messages (unless you like to do that
sort of thing).

From irwin at taranto.com  Wed Mar 12 23:12:01 2003
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:12:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A funny thing happened... (bug?)
Message-ID: <200303122212.h2CMC1327554@taranto.com>

On the overview pages, listinfo and admin, the email address was appearing as 
mailman at www.domain.com instead of mailman at domain.com.   In both the 
Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py files, the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST  was correct as 
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST='domain.com'

By removing the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST='domain.com' from the mm_cfg.py file the 
problem was corrected.    

Is there a known bug that DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST= in the mm_cfg.py file is not 
being picked up correctly?

Irwin

From marklists at mceahern.com  Wed Mar 12 23:12:06 2003
From: marklists at mceahern.com (Mark McEahern)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:12:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sitewide list
In-Reply-To: <1047504108.2933.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: 

[Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]]
> This list should only be for you and other system/list admins that are
> in charge of the whole Mailman install.  It is for Mailman errors and
> list warnings.

[snip other helpful background information about the site-wide list]

Jon, thanks for the reply.  It seems to me this stuff should be in the
INSTALL file.  Or in some documentation.

Did I miss it?  If it's not written down anywhere, what can I do to help
make that happen?

Thanks,

// mark

-

From marklists at mceahern.com  Wed Mar 12 23:32:25 2003
From: marklists at mceahern.com (Mark McEahern)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:32:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman with courier
Message-ID: 

I just spent a considerable amount of time getting Mailman to work with
Courier as the MTA.

I'm sure there's probably more than one way to do it, but here's an outline
of what I did.  I offer this here in the hopes that anyone trying to do this
in the future won't have to pursue all the deadends I did.  ;-)

Courier setup
-------------

For starters, I'm using authpgsql as the authmodule for Courier.  The domain
where I'm hosting Mailman is one of my hosteddomains.

Mailman
-------

I did NOT have to create any accounts for Mailman, local or virtual.  I do
everything with aliases.  That, to me, seems like A Good Thing (tm).  I
would have liked to use a single dot-courier file for each alias instead of
using the intermediate dummy aliases as described below, but I was unable to
get the .courier-alias at domain:com stuff to work.

After running bin/newlist, I copy the alias information it spits out into a
file (e.g., mylistname-list.aliases).  I then run a Python script on this
file that does this:

1.  Creates a file in /path/to/courier/etc/aliases/ named after the list.  I
name the alias file after the list just to keep each list's aliases separate
and easily identifiable.  In this file, I create intermediate aliases.
Suppose my list is named mailman and the hosted domain is domain.com.  Then
I'd have:

    mailman at domain.com: mailman1
    mailman-admin at domain.com: mailman2
    ...

The right-hand side is a dummy alias.

2.  For each dummy alias, create a dot-courier file in
/path/to/courier/etc/aliasdir/.  E.g.,

    aliasdir/.courier-mailman1
    aliasdir/.courier-mailman2
    ...

The contents of each dot-courier file look like this:

    |/opt/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman

In other words, the contents of the dot-courier file are the same as the
right-hand side of what bin/newlist spits out for that alias, just without
the quotation marks.

I've attached the actual script below.

Cheers,

// mark

#!/usr/bin/env python

"""
Create the dot-courier files for the aliases listed in the specified file.
"""

import os
import sys
import pwd

class IncorrectUserError(Exception):pass

def require_user(username):
    """Exit if the current user is not username."""
    current_username = pwd.getpwuid(os.getuid())[0]
    if current_username != username:
        template = 'Please run as %s (current user: %s).\n'
        message = template % (username, current_username)
        raise IncorrectUserError(message)

class Alias(object):

    def __init__(self, alias, domain, command, counter):
        self.alias = alias
        self.domain = domain
        self.command = command
        self.counter = counter

    def get_basename(self):
        alias = self.alias
        i = alias.find('-')
        if i >= 0:
            return alias[:i]
        else:
            return alias

    def get_full_alias(self):
        return '%s@%s' % (self.alias, self.domain)

    def get_dummy_alias(self):
        return '%s%d' % (self.get_basename(), self.counter)

def main():
    program = os.path.basename(sys.argv[0])
    usage = 'usage: %s listname filename etcdir [domain]\n' % (program,)
    try:
        listname = sys.argv[1]
        filename = sys.argv[2]
        etcdir = sys.argv[3]
    except IndexError:
        sys.stderr.write(usage)
        sys.exit(1)

    default_domain = 'yourlistdomain.com'
    try:
        domain = sys.argv[4]
    except IndexError:
        domain = default_domain

    courier_username = 'courier'
    try:
        require_user(courier_username)
    except IncorrectUserError, e:
        message = str(e) + '\n'
        sys.stderr.write(message)
        sys.exit(2)

    if not os.path.isdir(etcdir):
        message = 'etcdir %s is not a directory.\n' % etcdir
        sys.stderr.write(message)
        sys.exit(2)

    comment_char = '#'
    separator = ':'
    quote = '"'
    aliases = []
    counter = 0
    for line in file(filename):
        if line.startswith(comment_char):
            continue
        counter += 1
        line = line.strip()
        if not line:
            continue
        alias, command = line.split(separator)
        alias = alias.strip()
        command = command.strip()
        if command.startswith(quote):
            command = command[1:]
        if command.endswith(quote):
            command = command[:-1]
        a = Alias(alias, domain, command, counter)
        aliases.append(a)

    # Write the intermediate aliases to $etcdir/aliases/.
    filename = os.path.join(etcdir, 'aliases', listname)
    f = file(filename, 'w')
    for a in aliases:
        f.write('%s: %s\n' % (a.get_full_alias(), a.get_dummy_alias()))
    f.close()

    # Write the dot-courier file to $etcdir/aliasdir/.
    dirname = os.path.join(etcdir, 'aliasdir')
    for a in aliases:
        basename = '.courier-%s' % (a.get_dummy_alias(),)
        filename = os.path.join(dirname, basename)
        f = file(filename, 'w')
        f.write(a.command + '\n')
        f.close()

    print 'You must run makealiases for these changes to take effect.'

if __name__ == '__main__':
    main()

-

From rcs at malibyte.net  Wed Mar 12 23:41:19 2003
From: rcs at malibyte.net (Bob Sully)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:41:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbe Headaches
In-Reply-To: <1047497673.1649.28.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: 

Jon:  I did install from source but paid special attention to the smrsh 
directories.  Everything is where it should be.  Still didn't work.

-- Bob --

On 12 Mar 2003, Jon Carnes wrote:

> Most of these (I think) were from folks upgrading their Sendmail due to
> the recent vulnerability and subsequent update release.  I would hope
> that folks using package management (like rpm or apt-get) would have no
> problems if they used the updated packages for their distributions.
> 
> If folks are installing from source they could easily overlook the
> placement of the smrsh directories...
> 
> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 13:02, Bob Sully wrote:
> > 
> > Jon:
> > 
> > You've seen the flurry of these over the past couple of weeks.  I firmly 
> > believe that the problem lies with some mod to smrsh in the latest 
> > versions of Sendmail.  I had previously been running 2.0.13 with 
> > Sendmail 8.12.3 without a problem...after upgrading to 8.12.7 I got the 
> > same message as below; same thing with 8.12.8.  The only way to get 
> > around this is to disable smrsh in sendmail.mc -> sendmail.cf.  This is 
> > bothersome, as smrsh does have some (albeit minor?) security value.  I'd 
> > like to see a fix for this soon.  Perhaps we should alert the Sendmail 
> > developers.

-- 
________________________________________
Bob Sully - Simi Valley, California, USA
http://www.malibyte.net

"The waiting is the hardest part." - T. Petty

From starky at shreve.net  Wed Mar 12 18:08:07 2003
From: starky at shreve.net (Jodie)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:08:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman+Qmail+external subscribers
Message-ID: <200303121108.07596.starky@shreve.net>

I have been searching for days for an answer to this, so please forgive me if 
you know of some document or web site that addresses this problem.  Point me 
to that document and I will be glad to read for myself.

I am currently running RH 7.3 with Qmail 1.03+patches-19 with Mailman 
2.0.13-1.

I have one mailing list that is experiencing problems mailing out to CERTAIN 
addresses on the membership list. When it sees this problem, it disables the 
user.  I have not confirmed whether this is the only list with this problem.  
However, none of the other lists are complaining.  

Example:

I am subscribed to the list using my email address starky at shreve.net 
(shreve.net being the default domain for the mail server hosting mailman).  I 
am also subscribed to the list with a yahoo address barkusbarkus at yahoo.co.uk.  
When I send a test message to the list, I get the test message at 
starky at shreve.net.  I never get the test message at the yahoo account.  Many 
of the other members who have non shreve.net addresses get disabled and the 
admins get notifications that the emails bounced and these accounts were 
disabled.  Now, my yahoo account (which never received the test message) does 
NOT get disabled. So, it seems that no external (non shreve.net) addresses 
are receiving posts, but not all are bouncing (hence not all get disabled).

The mail server is working properly as far as normal sending and receiving 
email operations go...and it is listening on 127.0.0.1.

I would be interested in looking at the actual bounce messages from the 
MAILER-DAEMON. However, I don't know how I can get to these messages, if it 
is even possible.  I  am hoping that these messages might shed some light on 
the problem.

If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.  Or, if I have provided too 
little information, I will be glad to provide anything necessary to help 
solve this issue.

Thanks!
-- 
Jodie E Crouch III
ShreveNet, Inc.
Asst. Network Administrator

From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Mar 13 02:32:58 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:32:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: sitewide list
In-Reply-To: <1047504108.2933.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
References: 
	<1047504108.2933.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030313013258.GC31166@hq.newdream.net>

On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 04:21:45PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 15:48, Mark McEahern wrote:

> > 3.  Is there any reason to display this site-wide list in the list of lists
> > displayed by listinfo?

> No.  This should always be a private list.

I was wondering about this - the default for Mailman in general seems to
be public lists; is there a way for the install process to make the
"mailman" list *default* to being a private list? When I added a
"mailman" list in the course of upgrading Mailman, I forgot to check
this, and realized a month or so later that it had been created as a
public list.

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Mar 13 04:19:50 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Mar 2003 22:19:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman+Qmail+external subscribers
In-Reply-To: <200303121108.07596.starky@shreve.net>
References: <200303121108.07596.starky@shreve.net>
Message-ID: <1047525594.1673.31.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

As an experiment, grab one of the messages that you got locally but not
via yahoo, and send it to your yahoo account from the server.

You could also clone the list (using ~mailman/bin/config_list) and
simply add a few test users, then test using that. 

Good Luck!

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 12:08, Jodie wrote:
> I have been searching for days for an answer to this, so please forgive me if 
> you know of some document or web site that addresses this problem.  Point me 
> to that document and I will be glad to read for myself.
> 
> I am currently running RH 7.3 with Qmail 1.03+patches-19 with Mailman 
> 2.0.13-1.
> 
> I have one mailing list that is experiencing problems mailing out to CERTAIN 
> addresses on the membership list. When it sees this problem, it disables the 
> user.  I have not confirmed whether this is the only list with this problem.  
> However, none of the other lists are complaining.  
> 
> Example:
> 
> I am subscribed to the list using my email address starky at shreve.net 
> (shreve.net being the default domain for the mail server hosting mailman).  I 
> am also subscribed to the list with a yahoo address barkusbarkus at yahoo.co.uk.  
> When I send a test message to the list, I get the test message at 
> starky at shreve.net.  I never get the test message at the yahoo account.  Many 
> of the other members who have non shreve.net addresses get disabled and the 
> admins get notifications that the emails bounced and these accounts were 
> disabled.  Now, my yahoo account (which never received the test message) does 
> NOT get disabled. So, it seems that no external (non shreve.net) addresses 
> are receiving posts, but not all are bouncing (hence not all get disabled).
> 
> The mail server is working properly as far as normal sending and receiving 
> email operations go...and it is listening on 127.0.0.1.
> 
> I would be interested in looking at the actual bounce messages from the 
> MAILER-DAEMON. However, I don't know how I can get to these messages, if it 
> is even possible.  I  am hoping that these messages might shed some light on 
> the problem.
> 
> If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.  Or, if I have provided too 
> little information, I will be glad to provide anything necessary to help 
> solve this issue.
> 
> Thanks!
> -- 
> Jodie E Crouch III
> ShreveNet, Inc.
> Asst. Network Administrator
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Mar 13 04:29:40 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Mar 2003 22:29:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbe Headaches
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1047526184.1683.34.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 17:41, Bob Sully wrote:
> 
> Jon:  I did install from source but paid special attention to the smrsh 
> directories.  Everything is where it should be.  Still didn't work.
> 
> -- Bob --

Oh well... I guess it was a good thing (tm) that I moved over to Postfix
last year. :-)

Did anyone see any bugs filed for this already?

From chrisj at joffecybernetics.com  Thu Mar 13 04:30:47 2003
From: chrisj at joffecybernetics.com (Christopher T Joffe)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:30:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old question, oft repeated
Message-ID: <3E6FFB67.9080602@joffecybernetics.com>

Sorry for the obvious from a mailman-newbie, but I can't
seem to find the correct answer elsewhere.  I'm running
Mandrake9.0 and have just installed Mailman from the
included RPMs. I now get:
Mailman CGI error!!!
This entry is being stored in your syslog:

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 
99?)

when trying to access it from the browser.  Are there
any runtime configuration changes to make, or must I get
the sources and recompile it?

Mandrake+Postfix+Mailman

Thanks
-- 
Christopher T Joffe
Joffe Cybernetics, Inc
www.webgentools.com
atl.unfranchise.com

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Mar 13 04:37:54 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Mar 2003 22:37:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sitewide list
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1047526678.1683.39.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

You can always send Barry a note and volunteer to do some documentation.

Other than that, you can add an entry into the FAQ
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

It's self-service so feel free to add an entry or two!

Thanks for volunteering to help - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 17:12, Mark McEahern wrote:
> [Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]]
> > This list should only be for you and other system/list admins that are
> > in charge of the whole Mailman install.  It is for Mailman errors and
> > list warnings.
> 
> [snip other helpful background information about the site-wide list]
> 
> Jon, thanks for the reply.  It seems to me this stuff should be in the
> INSTALL file.  Or in some documentation.
> 
> Did I miss it?  If it's not written down anywhere, what can I do to help
> make that happen?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> // mark
> 
> -
> 

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Mar 13 04:42:23 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Mar 2003 22:42:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old question, oft repeated
In-Reply-To: <3E6FFB67.9080602@joffecybernetics.com>
References: <3E6FFB67.9080602@joffecybernetics.com>
Message-ID: <1047526947.1673.43.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

You might want to check around for a different rpm (or install from
source).  Of course you could always reset Apache to run using a GroupID
of 48 (instead of the 99 it is currently using).

Good Luck.

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 22:30, Christopher T Joffe wrote:
> Sorry for the obvious from a mailman-newbie, but I can't
> seem to find the correct answer elsewhere.  I'm running
> Mandrake9.0 and have just installed Mailman from the
> included RPMs. I now get:
> Mailman CGI error!!!
> This entry is being stored in your syslog:
> 
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 
> 99?)
> 
> when trying to access it from the browser.  Are there
> any runtime configuration changes to make, or must I get
> the sources and recompile it?
> 
> Mandrake+Postfix+Mailman
> 
> Thanks
> -- 
> Christopher T Joffe
> Joffe Cybernetics, Inc
> www.webgentools.com
> atl.unfranchise.com
> 
> 
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> 
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From chrisj at joffecybernetics.com  Thu Mar 13 04:53:57 2003
From: chrisj at joffecybernetics.com (Christopher T. Joffe)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:53:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old question, oft repeated
References: <3E6FFB67.9080602@joffecybernetics.com>
	<1047526947.1673.43.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3E7000D5.60506@joffecybernetics.com>

I've been out of the *nix world for long enough for some of this
stuff to be fuzzy.  Sorry.  The apache group is 48, but apache (httpd)
and most of the /var/www tree seem to root/root.  I hesitate to
run around changing stuff, as this is a running server.

Jon Carnes wrote:
> You might want to check around for a different rpm (or install from
> source).  Of course you could always reset Apache to run using a GroupID
> of 48 (instead of the 99 it is currently using).
> 
> Good Luck.
> 
> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 22:30, Christopher T Joffe wrote:
> 
>>Sorry for the obvious from a mailman-newbie, but I can't
>>seem to find the correct answer elsewhere.  I'm running
>>Mandrake9.0 and have just installed Mailman from the
>>included RPMs. I now get:
>>Mailman CGI error!!!
>>This entry is being stored in your syslog:
>>
>>Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 
>>99?)
>>
>>when trying to access it from the browser.  Are there
>>any runtime configuration changes to make, or must I get
>>the sources and recompile it?
>>
>>Mandrake+Postfix+Mailman
>>
>>Thanks
>>-- 
>>Christopher T Joffe
>>Joffe Cybernetics, Inc
>>www.webgentools.com
>>atl.unfranchise.com
>>
>>
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> 

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Mar 13 06:04:59 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:04:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old question, oft repeated
In-Reply-To: <3E6FFB67.9080602@joffecybernetics.com>
References: <3E6FFB67.9080602@joffecybernetics.com>
Message-ID: <20030313050459.GO22821@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Christopher T Joffe wrote:
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take
> 99?)
>
> when trying to access it from the browser.  Are there any runtime
> configuration changes to make, or must I get the sources and recompile it?
>
> Mandrake+Postfix+Mailman

I don't know a lot about mandrake, but I happen to have a mandrake 9.0
install (VMware is great for testing, BTW).  I installed the apache,
mailman, and postfix rpms.  I ran mmsitepass and then created a test list.
Viewing the mailman listinfo page I got no errors.  It does appear that a
stock mandrake install works.

Looking at the apache config, apache is set to run as user apache, which is
uid 76 in /etc/passwd.  That's odd because it's neither 48 nor 99 like in
your error messages.

One thing I don't know much about with mandrake is the security levels.  Is
it possible that the security level setting plays some role in this?  I only
have my test box set to the standard security level.

As many on the list could tell you, the combo of apache, postfix, and
mailman works very well together.  The worst case scenario for you would be
compiling mailman from source, as Jon pointed out already.  But seeing as my
default, mandrake install works well without any tweaking, it doesn't seem
like the mandrake rpms are fundamentally broken.  It's more likely that just
a few tweaks are needed.  Perhaps the mandrake lists have some useful clues
in their archives?  (The mailman-users archives might even have something
helpful, but I'm guessing you might have already checked them. :)

HTH

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and I'm not sure about the the universe.
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From chrisj at joffecybernetics.com  Thu Mar 13 06:25:03 2003
From: chrisj at joffecybernetics.com (Christopher T. Joffe)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:25:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old question, oft repeated
References: <3E6FFB67.9080602@joffecybernetics.com>
	<20030313050459.GO22821@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <3E70162F.9090309@joffecybernetics.com>

That actually tells me the worst answer, thanks.  This system has
been running for a LONG time and has been through many os upgrade
cycles.  I think it's a victim of genetic drift.  Other things act
a bit weird at times also.  I continually try to rectify these things,
but I think it may be beyond saving.  I'll probably have to try and
back up as much as I can, scrub it and start over.  Thanks for the
help, it saves me from doing much more floundering.

Todd wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Christopher T Joffe wrote:
> 
>>Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take
>>99?)
>>
>>when trying to access it from the browser.  Are there any runtime
>>configuration changes to make, or must I get the sources and recompile it?
>>
>>Mandrake+Postfix+Mailman
> 
> 
> I don't know a lot about mandrake, but I happen to have a mandrake 9.0
> install (VMware is great for testing, BTW).  I installed the apache,
> mailman, and postfix rpms.  I ran mmsitepass and then created a test list.
> Viewing the mailman listinfo page I got no errors.  It does appear that a
> stock mandrake install works.
> 
> Looking at the apache config, apache is set to run as user apache, which is
> uid 76 in /etc/passwd.  That's odd because it's neither 48 nor 99 like in
> your error messages.
> 
> One thing I don't know much about with mandrake is the security levels.  Is
> it possible that the security level setting plays some role in this?  I only
> have my test box set to the standard security level.
> 
> As many on the list could tell you, the combo of apache, postfix, and
> mailman works very well together.  The worst case scenario for you would be
> compiling mailman from source, as Jon pointed out already.  But seeing as my
> default, mandrake install works well without any tweaking, it doesn't seem
> like the mandrake rpms are fundamentally broken.  It's more likely that just
> a few tweaks are needed.  Perhaps the mandrake lists have some useful clues
> in their archives?  (The mailman-users archives might even have something
> helpful, but I'm guessing you might have already checked them. :)
> 
> HTH
> 
> - -- 
> Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
> ============================================================================
> Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity;
> and I'm not sure about the the universe.
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From chasm at texas.net  Thu Mar 13 11:02:53 2003
From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen - RKBA!)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:02:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can we ask for new "features"?
In-Reply-To: <200303121538.KAA25848@inca.math.indiana.edu>
References: <200303121538.KAA25848@inca.math.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <6al07vomas3ifcj7ibu2qvnlc5lpqpgfor@4ax.com>

May dislike a lot about YHGroups but the programming they have done on their mix
of mailman, qmail and Lord knows what else - is quite nice.  Support sucks
but...  and there needs to be a lot more batch operation capability on the
member database ... but it is still the friendliest interface out there.

Addressing one point - NoMail and Special Notices.

with Mailman, we have a NoMail feature but not the SN.  Personally, if I could
do it, (but I take so much morphine I have lost all logical thought progression
so I can obviously not program any longer), I would simply change the NoMail to
a version of both.  ie, it would stop mail but would still allow the member to
receive emergency/admin messages.

is this a possible change?  

again, I have no idea what kind of language Python is nor do I wish to try to
learn as I do too much self abusing every day by just looking at the scale, the
mirror, yada 

would appreciate any info on where we could send our ideas for "improvements" of
the software.  really wish this had been around 20 yrs ago!!!
sigh
chas

...

From mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il  Thu Mar 13 13:22:33 2003
From: mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Marina Markus)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:22:33 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why some messages aren't distributed?
Message-ID: 

Hello all,

We have Mailman 2.1.1 running on Linux Redhat7.1. While in general
it works OK and servers over 90 lists, a strange thing happens
from time to time: a message sent to the list isn't distributed
without any reasons. Sometimes during one day, out of four messages
posted by the same list member, two are distributed, and two are not.

List member gets no messages from the list indicating that something
wasn't accepted; and list manager and moderator also receives nothing.

Log files in ~mailman/logs contain nothing concerning messages
that were not distributed; "post" file contains only records 
about those messages that were distributed.

The log file of Sendmail "/var/log/maillog" shows the arrival
of the message to be posted in all cases. In cases when the message
is distributed, it shows sending of this message to list members.
In case when it's not, there is no record related to distribution;
the record following the arrival record is:

Mar 11 15:25:31 lists sendmail[508]: NOQUEUE: lists.bgu.ac.il
[132.72.137.215] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to
Daemon0

Maybe this may contain some hint for a problem, which I can't decipher.

I'll be grateful for any idea what to look for.
Regards,

Marina Markus
Ben-Gurion University Computer Center
Beer-Sheva, Israel
======================
mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il

From barry at python.org  Thu Mar 13 14:54:47 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:54:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can we ask for new "features"?
References: <200303121538.KAA25848@inca.math.indiana.edu>
	<6al07vomas3ifcj7ibu2qvnlc5lpqpgfor@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <15984.36263.237625.851966@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

>>>>> "s" == schuetzen   writes:

    s> May dislike a lot about YHGroups but the programming they have
    s> done on their mix of mailman, qmail and Lord knows what else -
    s> is quite nice.  Support sucks but...  and there needs to be a
    s> lot more batch operation capability on the member database
    s> ... but it is still the friendliest interface out there.

Really?  Does YHG use Mailman?  I find that surprising since I'm
(un)fortunately on a number of YHG lists and I find their message and
digest formatting absolutely abysmal.

    s> Addressing one point - NoMail and Special Notices.

    s> with Mailman, we have a NoMail feature but not the SN.
    s> Personally, if I could do it, (but I take so much morphine I
    s> have lost all logical thought progression so I can obviously
    s> not program any longer), I would simply change the NoMail to a
    s> version of both.  ie, it would stop mail but would still allow
    s> the member to receive emergency/admin messages.

    s> is this a possible change?

I'm not positive what SpecialNotices are but if you join me for a ride
in my time machine (okay, okay, it's Guido's but he's not looking), I
think we can come close.

Mailman 2.1 has an Urgent feature.  If your message has an Urgent
header with a list admin or moderator password, the message is sent to
all the list members regardless of their nomail or digest settings.
Digest members will actually get the message twice, once as a regular
delivery and once in the digest, but that's fine.

    s> again, I have no idea what kind of language Python is nor do I
    s> wish to try to learn as I do too much self abusing every day by
    s> just looking at the scale, the mirror, yada 

Python is guaranteed to improve your self confidence, grow hair on
your head, lose 60 pounds, and add inches to the parts of your body
you want to add inches to.  It's low-carb, great tasting,
environmentally friendly, and occasionally likes to go out on weekends
and party in a family-appropriate way.

    s> would appreciate any info on where we could send our ideas for
    s> "improvements" of the software.  really wish this had been
    s> around 20 yrs ago!!!  sigh chas

Anything's possible with Guido's time machine!

The best place to lodge new feature requests is the SourceForge RFE
tracker:

    http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103

-Barry

From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu Mar 13 16:02:21 2003
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 13 Mar 2003 16:02:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove all list members without deleting list?
In-Reply-To: "Mike Shkolnik"'s message of "Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:34:18 -0800"
References: <03ce01c2e805$3560ebe0$6401a8c0@computer>
Message-ID: 

"Mike Shkolnik"  writes:

> The problem appears to be that I don't have access to the mailman
> directory on my hosting server. Bummer.

That a problem. I have no answer. Sorry.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Detlef Neubauer
-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.

From jonas at freesources.org  Thu Mar 13 16:12:37 2003
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:12:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + spamassassin
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20030310200520.GB834@freesources.org>

Message-ID: <20030313151237.GA10973@freesources.org>

On 11/03/2003 Detlef Neubauer wrote:
> > also. Now I would like to configure mailman to filter every incoming
> > mail through spamassassin.
> 
> I think it would better you let your MTA or procmail to do this job.

Ok, let procmail do the job is fine, but is there a procmailrc that can
be used for every list, I mean one procmailrc for all the lists, without
adding an entry for every list?

bye
 mejo

-- 
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Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight

From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Thu Mar 13 16:50:43 2003
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:50:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <20030313151237.GA10973@freesources.org>
Message-ID: 

On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Jonas Meurer wrote:

> On 11/03/2003 Detlef Neubauer wrote:
> > > also. Now I would like to configure mailman to filter every incoming
> > > mail through spamassassin.
> >
> > I think it would better you let your MTA or procmail to do this job.
>
> Ok, let procmail do the job is fine, but is there a procmailrc that can
> be used for every list, I mean one procmailrc for all the lists, without
> adding an entry for every list?
>

It's theoretically possible but really messy. You'll still need an entry in
aliases for each list eg:

listname: "|/usr/local/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrc"
   and /etc/procmailrc will be rather universal, first running spamassassin
followed by something like

:0
|/etc/mailman/mail/wrapper post $LISTNAME

the tricky part is figuring out how to pass it the $LISTNAME param.
The only way I know to get the listname is from some massive processing of
the message itself, probably parsing it from the List-Post: header (but only
if it exists ie what if you have other mbx'es on the list machine receiving
mail...)  so if you do figure out how to do this, I'd love to see it.
Otherwise, my feeling is it's not worth it to do it this way

 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies

From akinpelu at skannet.com  Thu Mar 13 17:20:02 2003
From: akinpelu at skannet.com (Bolanle Akinpelu)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:20:02 +0100 (WAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members
In-Reply-To: 
References: 

Message-ID: 

I can't add members from the stdin using the add_member command. For some
reason, EOF characters does not bring an end to the members list addedd
via stdin, so no member can be addedd this way except I add via an input
file. How do I add members via the stdin?

Thanks for every anticipated assitance.

Bolanle

From ben at cenozoa.com  Thu Mar 13 19:06:22 2003
From: ben at cenozoa.com (ben strawbridge)
Date: 13 Mar 2003 13:06:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	Authentication Failed accessing Administration webpages.
Message-ID: <1047578782.4480.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello,

I have just finished configuring mailman, and I have a list set up, but
I can't access the administration pages through the website.  I believe
this is a permissions issue, but I can't find documentation.  I have run
check_perms -f and it says everything is ok.

I'd love to get some help on this, if anyone can let me know what
permission the files should have that would be great.

I am running mailman version 2.0.9. If you need any other information
let me know.

thanks,	
-- 
Ben Strawbridge
-------------------
Senior Interface Engineer
Cenozoa Corporation

From akinpelu at SKANNET.COM  Thu Mar 13 19:25:21 2003
From: akinpelu at SKANNET.COM (Bolanle Akinpelu)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:25:21 +0100 (WAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Authentication Failed accessing Administration
 webpages.
In-Reply-To: <1047578782.4480.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1047578782.4480.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: 

Did you configure with-cgi-gid set to your web server's gid?

On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, ben strawbridge wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have just finished configuring mailman, and I have a list set up, but
> I can't access the administration pages through the website.  I believe
> this is a permissions issue, but I can't find documentation.  I have run
> check_perms -f and it says everything is ok.
>
> I'd love to get some help on this, if anyone can let me know what
> permission the files should have that would be great.
>
> I am running mailman version 2.0.9. If you need any other information
> let me know.
>
> thanks,
>

From list_usr at spacebox.net  Thu Mar 13 19:51:48 2003
From: list_usr at spacebox.net (Duke)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:51:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] README.POSTFIX
Message-ID: <20030313185148.GA9417@mobius.spacebox.net>

In this file, included with the Mailman source distribution, I've
followed all the steps to have Mailman automagically add aliases for my
Postfix server.  However, when I tried to create a new list, I got a
pile of errors from Mailman, the last of which was this:

RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

The above paths are correct.  Looking in data/alises, the aliases were
added fine.  Anyone know why I'd get that error?  I'm thinking it has to
do with user:group permissions.  I had to add "User apache" and "Group
nobody" to my apache configuration so the cgi scripts would be properly
executed.  So would apache:nobody be trying to run postalias, and get
denied for some reason?

Thanks,

    -- Duke.

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Mar 13 20:07:59 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:07:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] README.POSTFIX
In-Reply-To: <20030313185148.GA9417@mobius.spacebox.net>
References: <20030313185148.GA9417@mobius.spacebox.net>
Message-ID: <20030313190759.GT22821@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Duke wrote:
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
>
> The above paths are correct.  Looking in data/alises, the aliases were
> added fine.  Anyone know why I'd get that error?  I'm thinking it has to
> do with user:group permissions.

You would be correct.  The aliases and aliases.db files should be owner and
group mailman.  Mine look like this:

$ ls -l aliases*
- -rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      5.6k Mar 13 14:03 aliases
- -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman       12k Mar 13 14:03 aliases.db

- -- 
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From elena at inca.math.indiana.edu  Thu Mar 13 20:22:58 2003
From: elena at inca.math.indiana.edu (Elena Fraboschi)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:22:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] README.POSTFIX
Message-ID: <200303131922.OAA03507@inca.math.indiana.edu>

I too decided to dump sendmail, and installed and now have
Postfix running just fine.  However, I am having problems
getting mailman to marry Postfix.

First of all, when I run 

/usr/local/mailman/bin/genaliases

I get
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.pag
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.dir

I never get
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.db

This does not *seem* to be a problem, however, since postfix
finds mailman, the messages get delivered to the digest.mbox
of the appropriate list ("mailman" list, in this case), etcetera.

The main problem is that I am back to square one.  The Outgoing
runner never picks up the message; it never spews it back to the
list.  It simply gets queued and added to the digest.mbox.

By the way, Postfix is working just great with listserv, so I
know that Postfix is fine, but Iwould much rather have mailman 
than listserv.

Yes, I have entered MTA = 'Postfix' in the mm_cfg.py file.
I just don't get it to deliver... :-(  

Any help will be much appreciated.  Best, elena

From jonas at freesources.org  Thu Mar 13 20:42:33 2003
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:42:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + spamassassin
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20030313151237.GA10973@freesources.org>

Message-ID: <20030313194233.GB10973@freesources.org>

On 13/03/2003 Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote:
> It's theoretically possible but really messy. You'll still need an entry in
> aliases for each list eg:
> 
> listname: "|/usr/local/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrc"
>    and /etc/procmailrc will be rather universal, first running spamassassin
> followed by something like

Yes, but this alias is also needed if I use no spamfilter.

> :0
> |/etc/mailman/mail/wrapper post $LISTNAME
> 
> the tricky part is figuring out how to pass it the $LISTNAME param.
> The only way I know to get the listname is from some massive processing of
> the message itself, probably parsing it from the List-Post: header (but only
> if it exists ie what if you have other mbx'es on the list machine receiving
> mail...)  so if you do figure out how to do this, I'd love to see it.

Mh, this is better: as alias:
listname: "|/usr/local/bin/procmail -m LISTNAME=listname /etc/procmailrc"

then you can use $LISTNAME in procmail.

bye
 mejo

-- 
Efficiency and progess is ours one more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight

From marilyn at deliberate.com  Thu Mar 13 20:47:38 2003
From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:47:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up virtual domains?
Message-ID: 

I've searched all the documentation that I can find.  I want to set up
a list that is run from a virtual domain.

Can anyone point me to instructions?

Thank you.

Marilyn Davis

From rhorer at swbell.net  Thu Mar 13 20:47:47 2003
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:47:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members
In-Reply-To: 
References: 

Message-ID: <200303131347.47096.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Thursday 13 March 2003 10:20, Bolanle Akinpelu wrote:
> I can't add members from the stdin using the add_member command. For
> some reason, EOF characters does not bring an end to the members list
> addedd via stdin

I've had that problem too, so now I use echo (when I'm not using the 
web-based interface):

[mailman:~]$ echo "Jane Doe " | bin/add_members -n - list

Kyle
-- 
It is better to know nothing than to have learned nothing.
                               -fortune cookie proverb

From rhorer at swbell.net  Thu Mar 13 20:56:20 2003
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:56:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old question, oft repeated
In-Reply-To: <1047526947.1673.43.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
References: <3E6FFB67.9080602@joffecybernetics.com>
 <1047526947.1673.43.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200303131356.20073.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Wednesday 12 March 2003 21:42, Jon Carnes wrote:
> You might want to check around for a different rpm (or install from
> source).

The first time I installed Mailman, I tried to do it from the Red Hat 
binary RPM.  Red Hat apparently packaged the Mailman RPM on the 
assumption that it would be used with Sendmail.  I futzed around for a 
while and finally decided to just install from source.  Now whenever I 
install Mailman I don't even bother with the provided RPMs, I download 
the latest source package and use it to create my own binary RPM on 
that system.  It's just like doing a "make install" except that you 
still get the benefits RPM brings to the table.  It doesn't add more 
than about 5 minutes or less to the process.

BTW I entered a bug report on this subject in Red Hat's Bugzilla quite a 
long time ago, but to my knowledge there has been no action on it.

Kyle
-- 
It is better to know nothing than to have learned nothing.
                               -fortune cookie proverb

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Mar 13 21:14:47 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:14:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old question, oft repeated
In-Reply-To: <200303131356.20073.rhorer@swbell.net>
References: <3E6FFB67.9080602@joffecybernetics.com>
	<1047526947.1673.43.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
	<200303131356.20073.rhorer@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <20030313201447.GV22821@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Kyle Rhorer wrote:
> The first time I installed Mailman, I tried to do it from the Red Hat 
> binary RPM.  Red Hat apparently packaged the Mailman RPM on the 
> assumption that it would be used with Sendmail.

That hasn't been the case for a while now, I don't exactly how long, but
certainly with Red Hat 7.3 and beyond.  Red Hat's mailman rpms will work
with either postfix or sendmail.

> Now whenever I install Mailman I don't even bother with the provided RPMs,
> I download the latest source package and use it to create my own binary
> RPM on that system.  It's just like doing a "make install" except that you
> still get the benefits RPM brings to the table.  It doesn't add more than
> about 5 minutes or less to the process.

That's more or less what I started doing too.  You have to like playing with
rpm spec files, but I think it's worth it.  The rpms I use now have better
postfix integration than the one's shipped by Red Hat, IMHO.  Of course, I
haven't tested them with sendmail in ages so I've probably broken that part
of it.  Oh well. :)

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From ben at cenozoa.com  Thu Mar 13 21:21:44 2003
From: ben at cenozoa.com (ben strawbridge)
Date: 13 Mar 2003 15:21:44 -0500
Subject: [personal] Re: [Mailman-Users]  Authentication Failed
	accessing Administration webpages.
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1047578782.4480.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Message-ID: <1047586904.4483.65.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I did not run the configure script, it was already installed by the
host, just not configured.

I check in my apache httpd.conf file and i see that the group and user
apache runs under is apach.

In the documentation I now see that the default for Mailman is either
www, www-data, or nobody; apache is not in that list.

I am not sure if this was installed from source or from rpm, but it
looks like this might be the root of the problem.

Any advice on how to re-configure Mailman (where would the configure
script be located).

My operating system is Red Hat Linux 7.3, if you need any of my other
configuration information I will provide it to you.

Thanks!
Ben.

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 13:25, Bolanle Akinpelu wrote:
> Did you configure with-cgi-gid set to your web server's gid?
> 
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, ben strawbridge wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have just finished configuring mailman, and I have a list set up, but
> > I can't access the administration pages through the website.  I believe
> > this is a permissions issue, but I can't find documentation.  I have run
> > check_perms -f and it says everything is ok.
> >
> > I'd love to get some help on this, if anyone can let me know what
> > permission the files should have that would be great.
> >
> > I am running mailman version 2.0.9. If you need any other information
> > let me know.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
-- 
Ben Strawbridge
-------------------
Senior Interface Engineer
Cenozoa Corporation

From akinpelu at skannet.com  Thu Mar 13 17:03:45 2003
From: akinpelu at skannet.com (Bolanle Akinpelu)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:03:45 +0100 (WAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

I can't add members from the stdin using the add_member command. For some
reason, EOF characters does not bring an end to the members list addedd
via stdin, so no member can be addedd this way except I add via an input
file. How do I add members via the stdin?

Thanks for every anticipated assitance.

Bolanle

From MacDowellV at brevard.k12.fl.us  Thu Mar 13 19:28:55 2003
From: MacDowellV at brevard.k12.fl.us (MacDowell, Valerie@Sea Park)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:28:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Turn Off
Message-ID: 

Hello:  I am very new to this -- just a guinea pig to be exact.

Is there any way to turn off the need to enter a password in order to sign
up to receive bulletins?

Thank you

Valerie H. MacDowell
Specialist, Technology/Network Support
Sea Park Elementary

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From dwight at significant.com  Thu Mar 13 21:50:02 2003
From: dwight at significant.com (Dwight Ernest)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:50:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to purge corrupt address
Message-ID: <3E70EEFA.4000607@significant.com>

(Context: Mailman 2.1.1) I have a list with a single corrupt address in 
it. The address string contains a \xa0 character. Routines which access 
the address list fail with errors like

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/bin/list_members", line 232, in ?
     main()
   File "/var/mailman/bin/list_members", line 207, in main
     s = formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace')
UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

I can't find any way to get rid of this address. Trying to unsub from 
the membership page simply silently fails. Trying to use remove_members 
fails to find it, as there's no way to specify the out-of-range char on 
the command line (that I'm aware of). Trying to do a binary edit on 
either the pickle or the marshal file fails (I don't know a lot about 
Python, but there seems to be a some sort of checksum failure).

I'm desperate. How can I remove this subscriber's corrupt entry?

--Dwight Ernest
   System Administrator
   Unitarian-Universalist Association (http://www.uua.org/)

From slist at adzac.com  Thu Mar 13 22:41:24 2003
From: slist at adzac.com (Steve Garcia)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:41:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH rpm install is lazy
Message-ID: <2463.192.168.0.2.1047591684.squirrel@www.adzac.com>

Installing mailman for first time...decided to use redhat's latest rpm
(2.0.13-1).  I know it's not the latest, but I've usually found their
rpm's a good way to get started with a new to me package.  fwiw, system is
7.3.

The rpm installed without errors, but RedHat provides no decent
installation instructions that I could find.  This is ALL rh says to do:
?Run /var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass to set the mailman administrator password.
?Edit /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to configure Mailman for your site.
?Add "Include conf/httpd-mailman.conf" to /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf

So I downloaded and untarred the latest mailman source to look at its
readme's.  I've found that the rpm install hasn't done very much (eg -
check_perms found all the permissions wrong).

Does anyone have a pointer to a complete set of instructions for
configuring mailman after using the redhat rpm?  I'm willing to start from
mailman source if need be, but I'd like to at least try with the current
install.  At this point I'm only checking out mailman to see whether my
users could handle it.  :-)

Steve

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Mar 13 22:29:24 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:29:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH rpm install is lazy
In-Reply-To: <2463.192.168.0.2.1047591684.squirrel@www.adzac.com>
References: <2463.192.168.0.2.1047591684.squirrel@www.adzac.com>
Message-ID: <20030313212924.GW22821@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Steve Garcia wrote:
> The rpm installed without errors, but RedHat provides no decent
> installation instructions that I could find.

Almost all of the documentation that's included in the mailman tarball is
included in the rpm (things like README.BSD and README.NETSCAPE are
excluded, for obvious reasons).  These docs are installed by default in
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13/.

> This is ALL rh says to do:
> ?Run /var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass to set the mailman administrator password.
> ?Edit /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to configure Mailman for your site.
> ?Add "Include conf/httpd-mailman.conf" to /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf

That's what the rpm description tag shows (rpm -qi).  They do have a
README.REDHAT file that has the same info and adds a note about setting
sendmail to accept connections from machines other than localhost.

If you are using a stock Red Hat system, these instructions detail all
you'll need to do to get a basic mailman install working.

If you use a different MTA (like Postfix) or want to customize mailman
you'll want to read the full mailman docs.

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From tmaddox at thereinc.com  Thu Mar 13 22:38:25 2003
From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:38:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 -> 2.1.1 upgrade
Message-ID: 

I want to apply the patches to fix the Subject line break issue, so it looks
like I'm going to have to upgrade from 2.1 to 2.1.1 (if I'm wrong about
this, please let me know).  Has anyone done this, and what issues did you
encounter?

Thanks!

Tom

From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Mar 13 23:08:46 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:08:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple GIDs?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030313155020.042e4f58@mail.thcwd.com>

      Can the parameters that can be run with configure be given multiple 
gids?  I saw someone else on a Chrooted environment using:

./configure --with-cgi-gid="www www-data apache nobody" 
--with-mail-gid="12, 99, 0"

<>< Paul     Some settling may occur during sending; this e-mail filled by 
weight, not volume.  Contains small words which pose a choking hazard for 
children under 3. 

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Mar 13 23:19:03 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:19:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple GIDs?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030313155020.042e4f58@mail.thcwd.com>
References: 
	<5.1.0.14.0.20030313155020.042e4f58@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <20030313221903.GA15872@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Paul H Byerly wrote:
>      Can the parameters that can be run with configure be given multiple 
> gids?  I saw someone else on a Chrooted environment using:
>
> ./configure --with-cgi-gid="www www-data apache nobody" 
> --with-mail-gid="12, 99, 0"

I've seen patches allowing this in the Red Hat rpms.  I don't know if any
other packagers apply something similar.  There is a 2.1.1 package in
rawhide that has this patch (or at least there was a month or so ago).  The
2.0 rpms shipped with 7.3 (and maybe earlier) have a similar patch for 2.0.

(I'm close to creating a macro for 'Red Hat rpms' today, they seem to be a
popular topic. :)

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Mar 13 23:23:04 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 13 Mar 2003 17:23:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Turn Off
In-Reply-To: 

References: 

Message-ID: <1047594188.2393.121.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

I almost didn't answer you because of the Disclaimer!  I don't want to
get in trouble with the law... but then I noticed that it was from
Florida, and since I'm in North Carolina, I guess I can ignore it 

You can subscribe and unsubscribe all without passwords.  The passwords
make it possible to unsubscribe via the web and to modify your
subscription settings.

If default settings are fine with you, then go for it and ignore the
passwords.

My Own Disclaimer: I generally ignore all disclaimers sent to me via
email. This is because a "disclaimer" is a contract and a contract
requires both parties to be in agreement. Since I could not know the
contents of the "disclaimer" before opening the email, I cannot be held
liable for any contents, penalties, or restrictions contained within
them.

Disclaimers are purely spam.  Anyone who believes otherwise is a fool
(or a foolish lawyer) :-)

Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 13:28, MacDowell, Valerie at Sea Park wrote:
> Hello:  I am very new to this -- just a guinea pig to be exact.
> 
> Is there any way to turn off the need to enter a password in order to sign
> up to receive bulletins?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Valerie H. MacDowell
> Specialist, Technology/Network Support
> Sea Park Elementary
> 
> 
> 
> DISCLAIMER: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or
> entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary,
> and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or
> other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by
> persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you
> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material
> from all computers. [References: Florida State Constitution I.24, Florida
> State Statutes Chapter 119, and BPS Policy 7540.05]  
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com

From arthur at petracomputing.com  Fri Mar 14 00:05:41 2003
From: arthur at petracomputing.com (Arthur Chong)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:05:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Service Unavailable Error
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030313165916.00bba3e0@mail.petracomputing.com>

We just upgraded from Mailman 2.0 beta to 2.2.1 (finally...)

It was installed via the tar package and we ran configure / make install.

We run the sendmail program as our MTA and it is on a RH 6.2
(kernel version 2.2.19-6 )

After that the check_perms -f program was run and it did change
perms, so we ran it till it said everything was ok.

We've had a new list created, and added the aliases section to
the aliases file.  The web interface runs perfectly....

Now when we go to "submit" a posting, the mail daemon replies:

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post petracustdb"
(reason: service unavailable)
(expanded from: )
----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: mailman not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post petracustdb"... Service unavailable

Can anyone tell us what the problem is??

Thank you in advance!

Regards,
- Arthur Chong

From chasm at texas.net  Fri Mar 14 00:06:10 2003
From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen - RKBA!)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:06:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can we ask for new "features"?
In-Reply-To: <15984.36263.237625.851966@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <200303121538.KAA25848@inca.math.indiana.edu>
	<6al07vomas3ifcj7ibu2qvnlc5lpqpgfor@4ax.com>
	<15984.36263.237625.851966@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: 

On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:54:47 -0500, barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) wrote:

>
>The best place to lodge new feature requests is the SourceForge RFE
>tracker:
>
>    http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103
>
thanks -Barry
you had me chuckling hard there, and I need all that I can get.
I will get my "Python for Dummies" out and start trying to work thru it.
cheers
chas

...

From marklists at mceahern.com  Fri Mar 14 00:14:47 2003
From: marklists at mceahern.com (Mark McEahern)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:14:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sitewide list
In-Reply-To: <1047526678.1683.39.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: 

[Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]]
> You can always send Barry a note and volunteer to do some documentation.
>
> Other than that, you can add an entry into the FAQ
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
> It's self-service so feel free to add an entry or two!

Done:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp

Please edit/revise because I'm clueless.

Thanks for the pointer to the FAQ.  Useful stuff!

I submitted a bug to sf.net about this:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=703287&group_id=103
&atid=100103

It's probably also useful to have a FAQ, but I think it's important to beef
up the section in the INSTALL file, since it seems overly terse.

Cheers,

// m

-

From shu.ung at anu.edu.au  Fri Mar 14 03:16:10 2003
From: shu.ung at anu.edu.au (Shu Ung)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:16:10 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is member's address case sensitive to mailaman
Message-ID: 

Hi,

Is the subscriber's address case sensitive to Mailman?  I have a 
subscriber's posting got rejected because his From address is in 
difference case as the one registered in the membership listing. Is 
there a way to configure the list not to worry about the case in the 
subscriber address?

Thanks,
Shu

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From ted at groupd.com  Fri Mar 14 03:22:03 2003
From: ted at groupd.com (Ted Dively)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:22:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 not piping mail through Postfix 2.0.6?
Message-ID: <50346.66.47.225.121.1047608523.squirrel@zaius.groupd.com>

Fellow listers:

First, please forgive me for my general state of "newbieness", but that's
about where I am with Mailman and Python.

In any event, I've installed Mailman v.2.1 on a machine configured thusly:

Power Mac G4 400MHz (AGP)
1GB RAM
Mac OS X Server v.10.2.4 (Darwin)
December 2002 developers' tools
Postfix v. 2.0.6
UW IMAP/POP (& Pine) v.4.53
Python v.2.2

I've followed the directions as best as I can to get Mailman v.2.1 up and
running, and it seems to be fine, except that the mail doesn't pipe
through Postfix unless I manually add  the addresses to the Postfix
aliases file. For instance, to get the mail to deliver something sent to
mailman-test-admin at domain.tld  to the "real" account user at domain.tld, I
need to edit the Postfix aliases file like so:

mailman-test-admin at domain.tld: user at domain.tld

Following the directions for dynamically generating the alias files for
both Postfix and Mailman doesn't seem to work, and I'm a bit lost at this
point. I can create and edit lists from the browser interface, and Postfix
works fine for general mail delivery along with UW IMAP/POP, so I'm a bit
stuck.

TIA for any guidance you all can offer me on this.

Ted Dively

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From ted at groupd.com  Fri Mar 14 03:26:37 2003
From: ted at groupd.com (Ted Dively)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:26:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors when starting Mailman v.2.1
Message-ID: <50365.66.47.225.121.1047608797.squirrel@zaius.groupd.com>

Can anyone tell me what these errors mean, and how I can avoid them when
running bin/mailmanctl start?

Errors when starting mailman 2.1 on OSXS v.10.2.4:
Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6534): Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.NewsRunner
Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6534): No module named _socket
Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6535): Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner
Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6535): No module named _socket
Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6533): Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.IncomingRunner
Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6533): No module named _socket
Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6531): Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.BounceRunner
Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6531): No module named _socket
Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6530): Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.ArchRunner
Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6530): No module named _socket
Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6532): Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.CommandRunner
Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6532): No module named _socket
Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6536): Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.VirginRunner
Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6536): No module named _socket
Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6628): Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.IncomingRunner
Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6628): No module named _socket
Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6630): Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner
Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6625): Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.ArchRunner
Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6625): No module named _socket
Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6630): No module named _socket
Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6626): Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.BounceRunner
Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6626): No module named _socket
Mar 12 12:58:03 2003 qrunner(6627): Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.CommandRunner
Mar 12 12:58:03 2003 qrunner(6627): No module named _socket
Mar 12 12:58:03 2003 qrunner(6629): Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.NewsRunner
Mar 12 12:58:03 2003 qrunner(6629): No module named _socket
Mar 12 12:58:03 2003 qrunner(6631): Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.VirginRunner
Mar 12 12:58:03 2003 qrunner(6631): No module named _socket
Mar 12 13:06:02 2003 mailmanctl(6656): No child with pid: 6624
Mar 12 13:06:02 2003 mailmanctl(6656): [Errno 3] No such process
Mar 12 13:06:02 2003 mailmanctl(6656): Stale pid file removed.

Mar 12 13:06:11 2003 (6658) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 6662, sig: None, sts: 15, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1)
Mar 12 13:06:11 2003 (6658) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 6663, sig: None, sts: 15, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1)
Mar 12 13:06:11 2003 (6658) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 6660, sig: None, sts: 15, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1)
Mar 12 13:06:11 2003 (6658) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 6664, sig: None, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1)
Mar 12 13:06:11 2003 (6658) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 6661, sig: None, sts: 15, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1)
Mar 12 13:06:11 2003 (6658) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 6665, sig: None, sts: 15, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1)
Mar 12 13:09:09 2003 (6696) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 6697, sig: None, sts: 15, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1)
Mar 12 13:09:09 2003 (6696) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 6702, sig: None, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1)
Mar 12 13:09:10 2003 (6696) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 6700, sig: None, sts: 15, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1)

Ted Dively
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From gwcohn at bblabs.net  Fri Mar 14 03:56:40 2003
From: gwcohn at bblabs.net (George Cohn)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:56:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another RH newbie question
References: 
Message-ID: <3E7144E8.160CD8DF@bblabs.net>

Since this is "Pick on Redhat day", Ill toss in my two cents worth.

I built a server using the latest version of RH with Apache 2.X and
Postfix.

I downloaded the Mailman rpm and installed it and finally got the
aliases in the Postfix alias file.

The web interface is fine except for the "view archive" function which
returns a 403 error when I try to access archives.

But when I post to the new list, I get the following error message back:

   The Postfix program

: Command died with status 1: "/var/mailman/scripts
post
    members"

Mail to the server works fine except for this problem.

I'm a relative newbie at this so please be gentle!

Any clues?

TIA

George Cohn

From clay at dawning.com.cn  Fri Mar 14 05:09:29 2003
From: clay at dawning.com.cn (Isaac Claymore)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:09:29 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange behavior about publicly-advertised lists
Message-ID: <20030314040929.GA9919@dawning.com.cn>

Hi folks, my problem is like this:

I'm running 3 publicly-advertised lists on my department server
(foo.bar.com, who's got a valid IP 211.x.x.x). Visiting
http://foo.bar.com/mailman/listinfo shows all the three lists. But
when visiting http://10.10.15.213/mailman/listinfo (10.10.15.213 is
the server's internal IP) instead, mailman says no publicly-advertised
list available on this site. Since many people in my company tend to
visit the site with its internal IP, and the 3 lists are meant to be
accessible to both the company staff and people outside, this'd be a
big problem for me.

So is it possible to make the public lists visible from both
foo.bar.com and 10.10.15.213? (I'm not using any sort of virtual
hosting, if it's relevant)

Any hint or suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Isaac

-- 

Isaac Claymore                  /"\    ASCII Ribbon Campaign
Dawning Inc.                    \ /    Respect for open standards
Beijing, China                   X     No HTML/RTF in email
http://www.dawning.com.cn       / \    No M$ Word docs in email

From sumeetp at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 14 06:50:59 2003
From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:50:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 -> 2.1.1 upgrade
References: 
Message-ID: 

Yeah, I've done this. Well the patch is pretty easy, patch against the files
listed and configure make make install and all is OK. The thing to note
is -- and i listed this in one of my archive messages is that it breaks the
spaces up in a different manner. it is not a complete fix and if your
subject lines are REALLY long it will still be broken. Having said that, it
works much better than w/o the patch for procmail.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Maddox" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 -> 2.1.1 upgrade

> I want to apply the patches to fix the Subject line break issue, so it
looks
> like I'm going to have to upgrade from 2.1 to 2.1.1 (if I'm wrong about
> this, please let me know).  Has anyone done this, and what issues did you
> encounter?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tom
>
>
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From list_usr at spacebox.net  Fri Mar 14 07:09:24 2003
From: list_usr at spacebox.net (Duke)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 01:09:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers' passwords
Message-ID: <20030314060924.GA21149@mobius.spacebox.net>

I recently installed Mailman, replacing Majordomo, and I just used the
mass subscription feature and fed it my Majordomo subscriber lists.  I'm
wondering what, if any, my subscribers' initial passwords are, or how I
could set them.

Thanks,

    -- Duke.

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 14 07:28:07 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 01:28:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another RH newbie question
In-Reply-To: <3E7144E8.160CD8DF@bblabs.net>
References:  
	<3E7144E8.160CD8DF@bblabs.net>
Message-ID: <1047623292.1646.3.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

What do your aliases look like for the group "members"?

# STANZA START: members
# CREATED: Tue Feb 11 17:08:10 2003
members:             "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post members"
members-admin:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin members"
members-bounces:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces members"
members-confirm:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm members"
members-join:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join members"
members-leave:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave members"
members-owner:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner members"
members-request:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request members"
members-subscribe:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
members"
members-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
members"
# STANZA END: members

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 21:56, George Cohn wrote:
> Since this is "Pick on Redhat day", Ill toss in my two cents worth.
> 
> I built a server using the latest version of RH with Apache 2.X and
> Postfix.
> 
> I downloaded the Mailman rpm and installed it and finally got the
> aliases in the Postfix alias file.
> 
> The web interface is fine except for the "view archive" function which
> returns a 403 error when I try to access archives.
> 
> But when I post to the new list, I get the following error message back:
> 
>    The Postfix program
> 
> : Command died with status 1: "/var/mailman/scripts
> post
>     members"
> 
> Mail to the server works fine except for this problem.
> 
> I'm a relative newbie at this so please be gentle!
> 
> Any clues?
> 
> TIA
> 
> George Cohn
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 14 07:48:32 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 01:48:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors when starting Mailman v.2.1
In-Reply-To: <50365.66.47.225.121.1047608797.squirrel@zaius.groupd.com>
References: <50365.66.47.225.121.1047608797.squirrel@zaius.groupd.com>
Message-ID: <1047624516.1646.22.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

>From the Archives:
===
I've had this exact same problem installing mailman on solaris. The
problem is in getting python configured properly. Make sure
LD_LIBRARY_PATH points to all the right places, including wherever the
SSL
libraries live, and you may have to hack the Modules/Setup file in the
python build directory so the appropriate modules are built and
installed.
Also check out the README file, the section labeled "Configuring
additional built-in modules." 

Good luck!

-Tom Shore
===

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 21:26, Ted Dively wrote:
> Can anyone tell me what these errors mean, and how I can avoid them when
> running bin/mailmanctl start?
> 
> Errors when starting mailman 2.1 on OSXS v.10.2.4:
> Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6534): Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.NewsRunner
> Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6534): No module named _socket
> Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6535): Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner
> Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6535): No module named _socket
> Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6533): Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.IncomingRunner
> Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6533): No module named _socket
> Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6531): Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.BounceRunner
> Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6531): No module named _socket
> Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6530): Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.ArchRunner
> Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6530): No module named _socket
> Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6532): Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.CommandRunner
> Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6532): No module named _socket
> Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6536): Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.VirginRunner
> Mar 12 12:44:46 2003 qrunner(6536): No module named _socket
> Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6628): Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.IncomingRunner
> Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6628): No module named _socket
> Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6630): Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner
> Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6625): Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.ArchRunner
> Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6625): No module named _socket
> Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6630): No module named _socket
> Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6626): Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.BounceRunner
> Mar 12 12:58:02 2003 qrunner(6626): No module named _socket
> Mar 12 12:58:03 2003 qrunner(6627): Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.CommandRunner
> Mar 12 12:58:03 2003 qrunner(6627): No module named _socket
> Mar 12 12:58:03 2003 qrunner(6629): Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.NewsRunner
> Mar 12 12:58:03 2003 qrunner(6629): No module named _socket
> Mar 12 12:58:03 2003 qrunner(6631): Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.VirginRunner
> Mar 12 12:58:03 2003 qrunner(6631): No module named _socket
> Mar 12 13:06:02 2003 mailmanctl(6656): No child with pid: 6624
> Mar 12 13:06:02 2003 mailmanctl(6656): [Errno 3] No such process
> Mar 12 13:06:02 2003 mailmanctl(6656): Stale pid file removed.
> 
> Mar 12 13:06:11 2003 (6658) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
> (pid: 6662, sig: None, sts: 15, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1)
> Mar 12 13:06:11 2003 (6658) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
> (pid: 6663, sig: None, sts: 15, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1)
> Mar 12 13:06:11 2003 (6658) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
> (pid: 6660, sig: None, sts: 15, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1)
> Mar 12 13:06:11 2003 (6658) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
> (pid: 6664, sig: None, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1)
> Mar 12 13:06:11 2003 (6658) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
> (pid: 6661, sig: None, sts: 15, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1)
> Mar 12 13:06:11 2003 (6658) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
> (pid: 6665, sig: None, sts: 15, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1)
> Mar 12 13:09:09 2003 (6696) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
> (pid: 6697, sig: None, sts: 15, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1)
> Mar 12 13:09:09 2003 (6696) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
> (pid: 6702, sig: None, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1)
> Mar 12 13:09:10 2003 (6696) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
> (pid: 6700, sig: None, sts: 15, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1)
> 
> Ted Dively
> -- 
> Group D Communications -- IT Support, Databases, Networking, Web Sites
> POB 170697
> San Francisco, California
> 94117-0697
> 415.401.8333
> 415.401.8334 (fax)
> http://www.groupd.com/
> mailto:ted at groupd.com
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 14 07:53:08 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 01:53:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is member's address case sensitive to mailaman
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1047624792.1646.25.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Mailman should be case insensitive on email addresses (at lest all my
installs are).

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 21:16, Shu Ung wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is the subscriber's address case sensitive to Mailman?  I have a 
> subscriber's posting got rejected because his From address is in 
> difference case as the one registered in the membership listing. Is 
> there a way to configure the list not to worry about the case in the 
> subscriber address?
> 
> Thanks,
> Shu
> 

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 14 07:59:21 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 01:59:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Service Unavailable Error
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030313165916.00bba3e0@mail.petracomputing.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030313165916.00bba3e0@mail.petracomputing.com>
Message-ID: <1047625165.1646.28.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Go back to the source directory and read the file README.SENDMAIL.  The
file will explain how to setup the smrsh links so that sendmail will
allow the Mailman posting scripts to run.

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 18:05, Arthur Chong wrote:
> 
> 
> We just upgraded from Mailman 2.0 beta to 2.2.1 (finally...)
> 
> It was installed via the tar package and we ran configure / make install.
> 
> We run the sendmail program as our MTA and it is on a RH 6.2
> (kernel version 2.2.19-6 )
> 
> After that the check_perms -f program was run and it did change
> perms, so we ran it till it said everything was ok.
> 
> We've had a new list created, and added the aliases section to
> the aliases file.  The web interface runs perfectly....
> 
> Now when we go to "submit" a posting, the mail daemon replies:
> 
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post petracustdb"
> (reason: service unavailable)
> (expanded from: )
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> smrsh: mailman not available for sendmail programs
> 554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post petracustdb"... Service unavailable
> 
> 
> Can anyone tell us what the problem is??
> 
> Thank you in advance!
> 
> 
> Regards,
> - Arthur Chong
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 14 08:02:20 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 02:02:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up virtual domains?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1047625343.1646.32.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 14:47, Marilyn Davis wrote:
> 
> I've searched all the documentation that I can find.  I want to set up
> a list that is run from a virtual domain.
> 
> Can anyone point me to instructions?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Marilyn Davis
> 

Install Mailman on the system and then follow the FAQ's or simply read
the ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py file.  You will setup virtual domains
in the ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file (and with your MTA and
web-server).

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 14 08:08:27 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 02:08:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange behavior about publicly-advertised lists
In-Reply-To: <20030314040929.GA9919@dawning.com.cn>
References: <20030314040929.GA9919@dawning.com.cn>
Message-ID: <1047625711.1646.37.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

This behavior is controlled by a toggle in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. 
You should read the file ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py for the syntax to
add to the mm_cfg.py file.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 23:09, Isaac Claymore wrote:
> Hi folks, my problem is like this:
> 
> I'm running 3 publicly-advertised lists on my department server
> (foo.bar.com, who's got a valid IP 211.x.x.x). Visiting
> http://foo.bar.com/mailman/listinfo shows all the three lists. But
> when visiting http://10.10.15.213/mailman/listinfo (10.10.15.213 is
> the server's internal IP) instead, mailman says no publicly-advertised
> list available on this site. Since many people in my company tend to
> visit the site with its internal IP, and the 3 lists are meant to be
> accessible to both the company staff and people outside, this'd be a
> big problem for me.
> 
> So is it possible to make the public lists visible from both
> foo.bar.com and 10.10.15.213? (I'm not using any sort of virtual
> hosting, if it's relevant)
> 
> Any hint or suggestion is greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> Isaac
> 
> -- 
> 
> Isaac Claymore                  /"\    ASCII Ribbon Campaign
> Dawning Inc.                    \ /    Respect for open standards
> Beijing, China                   X     No HTML/RTF in email
> http://www.dawning.com.cn       / \    No M$ Word docs in email
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 14 08:11:52 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 02:11:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers' passwords
In-Reply-To: <20030314060924.GA21149@mobius.spacebox.net>
References: <20030314060924.GA21149@mobius.spacebox.net>
Message-ID: <1047625915.1642.41.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Mailman does not come with any facilities to look at the passwords
(though they are stored in plain text inside the database - so you could
examine them by using "strings config.pck"), but I believe there is an
FAQ that has a work-around to dump out the passwords, and there are more
than a few articles in the Archives about possible ways of modifying
those passwords.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 01:09, Duke wrote:
> I recently installed Mailman, replacing Majordomo, and I just used the
> mass subscription feature and fed it my Majordomo subscriber lists.  I'm
> wondering what, if any, my subscribers' initial passwords are, or how I
> could set them.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>     -- Duke.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 14 08:16:53 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 02:16:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to purge corrupt address
In-Reply-To: <3E70EEFA.4000607@significant.com>
References: <3E70EEFA.4000607@significant.com>
Message-ID: <1047626217.1642.47.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

The easiest way I've found to do this is to stop Mailman from running
and then use a hex editor to edit the binary directly (change the out of
range value to an standard Ascii value).  Note, that Mailman stores the
email names in several places within the database.

It would be great if someone would write a small script to parse through
the database and check all the email names... sigh, yet another thing on
my list.

Hope that is helpful,
Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 15:50, Dwight Ernest wrote:
> (Context: Mailman 2.1.1) I have a list with a single corrupt address in 
> it. The address string contains a \xa0 character. Routines which access 
> the address list fail with errors like
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "/var/mailman/bin/list_members", line 232, in ?
>      main()
>    File "/var/mailman/bin/list_members", line 207, in main
>      s = formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace')
> UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)
> 
> I can't find any way to get rid of this address. Trying to unsub from 
> the membership page simply silently fails. Trying to use remove_members 
> fails to find it, as there's no way to specify the out-of-range char on 
> the command line (that I'm aware of). Trying to do a binary edit on 
> either the pickle or the marshal file fails (I don't know a lot about 
> Python, but there seems to be a some sort of checksum failure).
> 
> I'm desperate. How can I remove this subscriber's corrupt entry?
> 
> --Dwight Ernest
>    System Administrator
>    Unitarian-Universalist Association (http://www.uua.org/)
> 
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 14 08:21:38 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 02:21:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why some messages aren't distributed?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1047626504.1646.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Check to see if the messages have been shunted:
  ~mailman/qfiles/shunt/..

Also check on your MTA and see if it is using your fully qualified
domain name or merely a subset of your domain name (like fred instead of
fred.mynet.com).

Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 07:22, Marina Markus wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> We have Mailman 2.1.1 running on Linux Redhat7.1. While in general
> it works OK and servers over 90 lists, a strange thing happens
> from time to time: a message sent to the list isn't distributed
> without any reasons. Sometimes during one day, out of four messages
> posted by the same list member, two are distributed, and two are not.
> 
> List member gets no messages from the list indicating that something
> wasn't accepted; and list manager and moderator also receives nothing.
> 
> Log files in ~mailman/logs contain nothing concerning messages
> that were not distributed; "post" file contains only records 
> about those messages that were distributed.
> 
> The log file of Sendmail "/var/log/maillog" shows the arrival
> of the message to be posted in all cases. In cases when the message
> is distributed, it shows sending of this message to list members.
> In case when it's not, there is no record related to distribution;
> the record following the arrival record is:
> 
> Mar 11 15:25:31 lists sendmail[508]: NOQUEUE: lists.bgu.ac.il
> [132.72.137.215] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to
> Daemon0
> 
> Maybe this may contain some hint for a problem, which I can't decipher.
> 
> I'll be grateful for any idea what to look for.
> Regards,
> 
> Marina Markus
> Ben-Gurion University Computer Center
> Beer-Sheva, Israel
> ======================
> mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il
> 
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From akinpelu at SKANNET.COM  Fri Mar 14 08:32:44 2003
From: akinpelu at SKANNET.COM (Bolanle Akinpelu)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:32:44 +0100 (WAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members
In-Reply-To: <200303131347.47096.rhorer@swbell.net>
References: 

	<200303131347.47096.rhorer@swbell.net>
Message-ID: 

Thanks. This solution works.

On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Kyle Rhorer wrote:

> On Thursday 13 March 2003 10:20, Bolanle Akinpelu wrote:
> > I can't add members from the stdin using the add_member command. For
> > some reason, EOF characters does not bring an end to the members list
> > addedd via stdin
>
> I've had that problem too, so now I use echo (when I'm not using the
> web-based interface):
>
> [mailman:~]$ echo "Jane Doe " | bin/add_members -n - list
>
> Kyle
>

From clay at dawning.com.cn  Fri Mar 14 08:40:10 2003
From: clay at dawning.com.cn (Isaac Claymore)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:40:10 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange behavior about publicly-advertised lists
In-Reply-To: <1047625711.1646.37.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
References: <20030314040929.GA9919@dawning.com.cn>
	<1047625711.1646.37.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030314074010.GA10422@dawning.com.cn>

On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 02:08:27AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> This behavior is controlled by a toggle in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. 
> You should read the file ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py for the syntax to
> add to the mm_cfg.py file.
I've digged it out - VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0 !

Thanks for the hint - Isaac Claymore

> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 23:09, Isaac Claymore wrote:
> > Hi folks, my problem is like this:
> > 
> > I'm running 3 publicly-advertised lists on my department server
> > (foo.bar.com, who's got a valid IP 211.x.x.x). Visiting
> > http://foo.bar.com/mailman/listinfo shows all the three lists. But
> > when visiting http://10.10.15.213/mailman/listinfo (10.10.15.213 is
> > the server's internal IP) instead, mailman says no publicly-advertised
> > list available on this site. Since many people in my company tend to
> > visit the site with its internal IP, and the 3 lists are meant to be
> > accessible to both the company staff and people outside, this'd be a
> > big problem for me.
> > 
> > So is it possible to make the public lists visible from both
> > foo.bar.com and 10.10.15.213? (I'm not using any sort of virtual
> > hosting, if it's relevant)
> > 
> > Any hint or suggestion is greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > 
> > Isaac
> > 

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From akinpelu at skannet.com  Fri Mar 14 08:51:45 2003
From: akinpelu at skannet.com (Bolanle Akinpelu)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:51:45 +0100 (WAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Service Unavailable Error
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030313165916.00bba3e0@mail.petracomputing.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030313165916.00bba3e0@mail.petracomputing.com>
Message-ID: 

Do you have a copy or link to mailman wrapper program in /etc/smrsh
directory?

On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Arthur Chong wrote:

>
>
> We just upgraded from Mailman 2.0 beta to 2.2.1 (finally...)
>
> It was installed via the tar package and we ran configure / make install.
>
> We run the sendmail program as our MTA and it is on a RH 6.2
> (kernel version 2.2.19-6 )
>
> After that the check_perms -f program was run and it did change
> perms, so we ran it till it said everything was ok.
>
> We've had a new list created, and added the aliases section to
> the aliases file.  The web interface runs perfectly....
>
> Now when we go to "submit" a posting, the mail daemon replies:
>
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post petracustdb"
> (reason: service unavailable)
> (expanded from: )
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> smrsh: mailman not available for sendmail programs
> 554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post petracustdb"... Service unavailable
>
>
> Can anyone tell us what the problem is??
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
>
> Regards,
> - Arthur Chong
>
>
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From arthur at petracomputing.com  Fri Mar 14 13:06:29 2003
From: arthur at petracomputing.com (Arthur Chong)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:06:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail is disappearing
Message-ID: <1047643589.3e71c5c52be11@zippy-web.com>

I've managed to get over all the problems of setting up 2.1.1 
Mailman / Python 2 and after the initial issues, everything 
appears to be working - except when I subscribe myself to a list, and post 
a "Hello World" message - it seems to be swallowed up by Mailman. And nothing 
happens....No pending admin tasks, no message gets sent out, nothing, nada, 
zip.

The maillog seems to indicate everything went through...:

Mar 13 22:38:47 www sendmail[16322]: h2E4clP16321: 
to="|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post petracustdb", 
ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:0
0:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30207, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

It looks like mailman is accepting the email, but nothing
else happens....any ideas ?

Your help is greatly appreciated!

Regards,
-Arthur Chong 

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From pat.finnerty at hp.com  Fri Mar 14 13:08:30 2003
From: pat.finnerty at hp.com (Pat Finnerty)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:08:30 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail and timezones
Message-ID: <3E71C63E.9090705@hp.com>

Hi,

I've noticed that mails posted to Mailman from a different timezone (I'm 
in GMT) will show the local senders time in the archive but shows the 
timezone as GMT. Hence you don't get messages in the archive displayed 
chronlogically.

This happens with ARCHIVER_CLOBBER_DATE_POLICY set to 2.

To workaround this I've set

ARCHIVER_CLOBBER_DATE_POLICY = 1

as this will always show the time the message was received.

I would have thought that if the senders date/time was displayed it 
should show their timezone also? Is this a bug or am I missing 
something? I'm using Mailman v2.1.

- Pat.

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Mission Critical & Proactive Services, Hewlett Packard,
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From pat.finnerty at hp.com  Fri Mar 14 13:10:09 2003
From: pat.finnerty at hp.com (Pat Finnerty)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:10:09 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail: Display recipient fields?
Message-ID: <3E71C6A1.5080804@hp.com>

  Hi,

Is it possible to allow the TO: and CC: fields be shown in Pipermail 
archive? Something that some of my users would like.

I'm using Mailman v2.1 and haven't seen any way of doing this.

Cheers,

Pat.

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From steveb at webpaving.com  Fri Mar 14 14:04:54 2003
From: steveb at webpaving.com (Steven Bonisteel)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:04:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying List-* header content
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030314075801.00b10580@127.0.0.1>

Is there an easy way to modify the List-*: header data so that 
Mailman outputs only the "mailto:" information for List-Subscribe, 
List-Unsubscribe and List-Post, but not any HTTP URIs?

We'd like to keep the List-*: headers, but the Web server itself is 
behind a firewall and not public.

If there's no easy way, is there a hard way? :-)

Regards,
SRB

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Phone: 613-531-0479
Fax  : 613-545-9148

From darkeye at tyrell.hu  Fri Mar 14 14:42:59 2003
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:42:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman - sendmail sending queue too long
Message-ID: <3E71DC63.6040706@tyrell.hu>

Hi,

I have the following problem with mailman. I'm administering a list of 
about 450 subscribers. When there is a new mail to the list, mailman 
invokes sendmail with very big recipient lists. I can check this by running

/usr/sbin/sendmail -bp

occasionally. My problem is, that some of these addresses are 
problematic (the mail server is not reachable, it's slow, etc.) The 
effect is, that people on the end of these lists get their mail with a 
considerable delay, because they have to wait for all the others before 
them.

I thought one solution might be to have mailman send out more jobs to 
sendmail with a smaller recipient lists each. But I didn't find such 
configuration options.

Is this possible? Or is there an other solution to this problem?

Thanks,

Akos

From mclark at cdtmail.org  Fri Mar 14 15:09:23 2003
From: mclark at cdtmail.org (Michael Clark)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:09:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases file vs. Virtuserfile
Message-ID: 

I just installed Mailman 2.1.1, python 2.2.2, Redhat 7.1, sendmail 
8.11.6. Mailman works great if I do not use a catchall email address 
in my /etc/mail/virtusertable . If I activate the catchall address, 
the addresses in the aliases file do not work. Is there a work around 
for this issue. I use the catchall feature to allow myself to create 
email addresses on the fly at various web sites. I realize this is a 
sendmail question, but it can't hurt to ask the gurus here as well. 
Thanks, Mike

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 14 15:20:15 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 09:20:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail is disappearing
In-Reply-To: <1047643589.3e71c5c52be11@zippy-web.com>
References: <1047643589.3e71c5c52be11@zippy-web.com>
Message-ID: <1047651619.1642.0.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Most common problem: Is "mailmanctl" running?

On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 07:06, Arthur Chong wrote:
> 
> 
> I've managed to get over all the problems of setting up 2.1.1 
> Mailman / Python 2 and after the initial issues, everything 
> appears to be working - except when I subscribe myself to a list, and post 
> a "Hello World" message - it seems to be swallowed up by Mailman. And nothing 
> happens....No pending admin tasks, no message gets sent out, nothing, nada, 
> zip.
> 
> The maillog seems to indicate everything went through...:
> 
> Mar 13 22:38:47 www sendmail[16322]: h2E4clP16321: 
> to="|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post petracustdb", 
> ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:0
> 0:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30207, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
> 
> It looks like mailman is accepting the email, but nothing
> else happens....any ideas ?
> 
> Your help is greatly appreciated!
> 
> 
> Regards,
> -Arthur Chong 
> 
> 
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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Mar 14 15:24:02 2003
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 15:24:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + spamassassin
In-Reply-To: Jonas Meurer's message of "Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:12:37 +0100"
References: <20030310200520.GB834@freesources.org>

	<20030313151237.GA10973@freesources.org>
Message-ID: 

Jonas Meurer  writes:

> On 11/03/2003 Detlef Neubauer wrote:
> > > also. Now I would like to configure mailman to filter every incoming
> > > mail through spamassassin.
> > 
> > I think it would better you let your MTA or procmail to do this job.
> 
> Ok, let procmail do the job is fine, but is there a procmailrc that can
> be used for every list, I mean one procmailrc for all the lists, without
> adding an entry for every list?

First, i use Mailman 2.0.12.

I would my MTA (i preffered postfix) do it with spamassassin and then
i would configure it in mm_cfg.py like this.

# {header-name: regexp} spam filtering - we include some for example sake.
DEFAULT_BOUNCE_MATCHING_HEADERS = """
#Lines that *start* with a '#' are comments.
#to: friend at public.com
#message-id: relay.comanche.denmark.eu
#from: list at listme.com
#from: .*@uplinkpro.com
#Content-Type: .*octet
#Content-Type: .*oda
#Content-Type: .*audio
#Content-Type: .*image
#Content-Type: .*alternative
#Content-Type: .*digest
#Content-Type: .*mixed
#Content-Type: .*rich
#Content-Type: .*html
#Content-Type: .*video
X-Spam-Flag: .YES
"""

Mit freundlichen Gruessen
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From support at envirolink.org  Fri Mar 14 15:54:03 2003
From: support at envirolink.org (EnviroLink Support)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:54:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list.org down ??
Message-ID: 

Hi -

I've been subscribed to this list for a few weeks, with the idea that I
might switch from Listproc to Mailman in the near future.  I've noticed,
like others on this list, that the list.org website has been inaccessible
for the past three days (at least).  Nslookups from several different
servers yield a "*** Can't find list.org: No answer" message.  I can
access all other websites that I've tried for several days.

Does anyone know why list.org is down?  This certainly makes me hesitate 
before making a decision about using Mailman.

Thanks-
Marla

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From barry at python.org  Fri Mar 14 15:53:56 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:53:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list.org down ??
References: 
Message-ID: <15985.60676.849048.389055@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

>>>>> "ES" == EnviroLink Support  writes:

    ES> Does anyone know why list.org is down?  This certainly makes
    ES> me hesitate before making a decision about using Mailman.

list.org's problems have nothing to do with the Mailman software.  The
machine (which hosts several other domains) had a meltdown.

Please use the mailman.sf.net mirror for the time being.

Cheers,
-Barry

From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Fri Mar 14 15:59:56 2003
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 06:59:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list.org down ??
In-Reply-To: 

References: 

Message-ID: <1047654001.29569.917.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 06:54, EnviroLink Support wrote:
> I've been subscribed to this list for a few weeks, with the idea that I
> might switch from Listproc to Mailman in the near future.  I've noticed,
> like others on this list, that the list.org website has been inaccessible
> for the past three days (at least).  Nslookups from several different
> servers yield a "*** Can't find list.org: No answer" message.  I can
> access all other websites that I've tried for several days.
> 
> Does anyone know why list.org is down?  This certainly makes me hesitate 
> before making a decision about using Mailman.

Marla,
Try these two links.

    http://mailman.sourceforge.net/
    https://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman/

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From mclark at cdtmail.org  Fri Mar 14 16:30:00 2003
From: mclark at cdtmail.org (Michael Clark)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:30:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Aliases file vs. Virtuserfile
Message-ID: 

Never mind. I found the answer in the FAQ. 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp 
Mailman is working great now. Mike

>I just installed Mailman 2.1.1, python 2.2.2, Redhat 7.1, sendmail 
>8.11.6. Mailman works great if I do not use a catchall email address 
>in my /etc/mail/virtusertable . If I activate the catchall address, 
>the addresses in the aliases file do not work. Is there a work 
>around for this issue. I use the catchall feature to allow myself to 
>create email addresses on the fly at various web sites. I realize 
>this is a sendmail question, but it can't hurt to ask the gurus here 
>as well. Thanks, Mike

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 14 16:40:57 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 10:40:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman - sendmail sending queue too long
In-Reply-To: <3E71DC63.6040706@tyrell.hu>
References: <3E71DC63.6040706@tyrell.hu>
Message-ID: <1047656461.1659.81.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

This is the one big problem with running a non-optimized MTA and is the
reason I (and so many others) moved over to Postfix.

Try setting SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5 in the ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file

===
   # Ceiling on the number of recipients that
   # can be specified in a single SMTP
   # transaction.  Set to 0 to submit the
   # entire recipient list in one
   # transaction.  Only used with the SMTPDirect
   # DELIVERY_MODULE.
   # SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500
   SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5
===

I have advocated this setting for Sendmail folks for a long time now.
Let us know if it works for you!

Jon Carnes

BTW, there is a timing section in your Sendmail.cf file.  You can adjust
the various time-outs used by Sendmail in this section (be sure to
backup your sendmail.cf file first!).  Before I moved my systems over to
Postfix, I used to tweak these settings to get the maximum performance
out of Sendmail.

Here are some settings that might be of interest to you:

  O Timeout.iconnect=5m
  # It waits 5 minutes for the initial connect!!!
  # Definitely change this. Try something like 5 seconds
  # If it fails the initial connect it moves the host to
  # the end of queue, then users the more generic
  # "Timeout.connect" value.
     O Timeout.iconnect=5s

  O Timeout.helo=5m
  # It waits 5 minutes before giving up on a "helo"!!!
  # Even if the host is doing a DNS/RBL look up on you,
  # it shouldn't take 5 minutes (though the RFC calls
  # for 5 minutes here)

  O Timeout.mail=10m
  # It waits 10 minutes before giving up on passing off a email!!!
  # The RFC minimum is 5 minutes for this.  I think even that is
  # too long

Remember to stop and restart Sendmail if you make a change to
/etc/sendmail.cf (or /etc/mail/sendmail.cf).

Here is a web-page with more info on the Sendmail.cf file:
  http://www.trilug.org/~jonc/mailserver/PartIII.html

I wrote this for a class I teach on setting up Mail-services for 
corporate or personal use. 

======
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 08:42, Akos Maroy wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have the following problem with mailman. I'm administering a list of 
> about 450 subscribers. When there is a new mail to the list, mailman 
> invokes sendmail with very big recipient lists. I can check this by running
> 
> /usr/sbin/sendmail -bp
> 
> occasionally. My problem is, that some of these addresses are 
> problematic (the mail server is not reachable, it's slow, etc.) The 
> effect is, that people on the end of these lists get their mail with a 
> considerable delay, because they have to wait for all the others before 
> them.
> 
> I thought one solution might be to have mailman send out more jobs to 
> sendmail with a smaller recipient lists each. But I didn't find such 
> configuration options.
> 
> Is this possible? Or is there an other solution to this problem?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Akos
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 14 16:45:53 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 10:45:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying List-* header content
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030314075801.00b10580@127.0.0.1>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030314075801.00b10580@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <1047656757.1642.84.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Check the archives for the exact file to modify, but this can be done
with a simple edit of one of the ~mailman/Mailman/Handler/.. files.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 08:04, Steven Bonisteel wrote:
> Is there an easy way to modify the List-*: header data so that 
> Mailman outputs only the "mailto:" information for List-Subscribe, 
> List-Unsubscribe and List-Post, but not any HTTP URIs?
> 
> We'd like to keep the List-*: headers, but the Web server itself is 
> behind a firewall and not public.
> 
> If there's no easy way, is there a hard way? :-)
> 
> Regards,
> SRB
> 
> 
> -- 
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> The Web Paving Company Ltd.
> Phone: 613-531-0479
> Fax  : 613-545-9148
> 
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From arthur at petracomputing.com  Fri Mar 14 16:49:54 2003
From: arthur at petracomputing.com (Arthur Chong)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:49:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail is disappearing
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030314094741.00b6be88@mail.petracomputing.com>

Thanks Jon, that's what it was.

I had run the INSTALL steps and for some reason, the
processes died.  We started them right back up and
the email came pouring in.

Thank you for your tip!

Have a great day!

At 09:20 AM 3/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Most common problem: Is "mailmanctl" running?

On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 07:06, Arthur Chong wrote:
 >
 >
 > I've managed to get over all the problems of setting up 2.1.1
 > Mailman / Python 2 and after the initial issues, everything
 > appears to be working - except when I subscribe myself to a list, and post
 > a "Hello World" message - it seems to be swallowed up by Mailman. And 
nothing
 > happens....No pending admin tasks, no message gets sent out, nothing, nada,
 > zip.
 >
 > The maillog seems to indicate everything went through...:
 >
 > Mar 13 22:38:47 www sendmail[16322]: h2E4clP16321:
 > to="|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post petracustdb",
 > ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:0
 > 0:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30207, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
 >
 > It looks like mailman is accepting the email, but nothing
 > else happens....any ideas ?
 >
 > Your help is greatly appreciated!

Regards,
- Arthur Chong
PetraComputing.com
arthur at petracomputing.com
Tel: 281-277-4491 Ext. 112
Fax: 281-277-3558

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 14 16:53:48 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 10:53:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail: Display recipient fields?
In-Reply-To: <3E71C6A1.5080804@hp.com>
References: <3E71C6A1.5080804@hp.com>
Message-ID: <1047657232.1642.91.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

You would have to edit the source for this. It is not currently a
standard feature of Mailman.

On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 07:10, Pat Finnerty wrote:
>   Hi,
> 
> Is it possible to allow the TO: and CC: fields be shown in Pipermail 
> archive? Something that some of my users would like.
> 
> I'm using Mailman v2.1 and haven't seen any way of doing this.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Pat.
> 
> -- 
> Patrick Finnerty, System Administrator,
> Mission Critical & Proactive Services, Hewlett Packard,
> Ballybrit Business Park, Galway, IRELAND.
> p: +353-91-754722 	e: pat.finnerty at hp.com
> 
> 
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From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Fri Mar 14 17:36:15 2003
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:36:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] preventing commands to list address
Message-ID: <000b01c2ea47$d4c14a10$0b7a799f@chris>

I would like to prevent messages requesting to subscribe or unsubscribe or
to get help that are sent to the list address to be bounced to the list
owner. Do I utilize the bounce_matching_header configuration to do this? How
would I make this the default in the mm_cfg.py file?

Christopher Adams
Library Systems Analyst
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us

From gaf at blu.org  Fri Mar 14 18:59:58 2003
From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:59:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming a list
Message-ID: <20030314125958.00544bec.gaf@blu.org>

I have a list that is receiving about 200 SPAMS a day (which is being
held). I wrote a script to remove all the held messages. However, I
would like to rename the list. Initially, I thought the move_list
command would be appropriate. I don't particularly want to delete the
list and create a new list. 

Renaming the list would effectively have the MTA bounce all the SPAMS. 

One way I thought of when composing this email would be to leave
everything on mailman as it is, and simply change the alias. 

-- 
Jerry Feldman 
Boston Linux and Unix user group
http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9
PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

From khera at kcilink.com  Fri Mar 14 19:06:37 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:06:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming a list
In-Reply-To: <20030314125958.00544bec.gaf@blu.org>
References: <20030314125958.00544bec.gaf@blu.org>
Message-ID: <15986.6701.459610.963001@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "JF" == Jerry Feldman  writes:

JF> Renaming the list would effectively have the MTA bounce all the SPAMS. 

JF> One way I thought of when composing this email would be to leave
JF> everything on mailman as it is, and simply change the alias. 

I did this by renaming the list subdirectory, the archive directories,
and then redoing the aliases.  last step was to fix_url the url to the
list.

From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Fri Mar 14 19:29:10 2003
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:29:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] preventing commands to list address
References: <000b01c2ea47$d4c14a10$0b7a799f@chris>
Message-ID: <000c01c2ea57$9aff6b80$0b7a799f@chris>

Okay, so I am replying to my own message. I found the Administrivia filter,
but it appears to be basically good for nothing. Does Python control these
trigger terms that are caught in Administrivia? It seems that there should
be a way to catch any combination words in the subject or body field.  With
this turned on, the word "Remove" in the Subject does not trigger the
Administrivia. Does anyone have any experiences with this that they can
share?

Christopher Adams
Library Systems Analyst
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Adams" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] preventing commands to list address

> I would like to prevent messages requesting to subscribe or unsubscribe or
> to get help that are sent to the list address to be bounced to the list
> owner. Do I utilize the bounce_matching_header configuration to do this?
How
> would I make this the default in the mm_cfg.py file?
>
> Christopher Adams
> Library Systems Analyst
> Oregon State Library
> 503-378-4243  x258
> chris.a.adams at state.or.us
>
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From gaf at blu.org  Fri Mar 14 20:41:14 2003
From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:41:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming a list
In-Reply-To: <15986.6701.459610.963001@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
References: <20030314125958.00544bec.gaf@blu.org>
	<15986.6701.459610.963001@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
Message-ID: <20030314144114.5cc15c6b.gaf@blu.org>

On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:06:37 -0500
Vivek Khera  wrote:

> 
> I did this by renaming the list subdirectory, the archive directories,
> and then redoing the aliases.  last step was to fix_url the url to the
> list.
Thanks. It worked great. 
-- 
Jerry Feldman 
Boston Linux and Unix user group
http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9
PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Fri Mar 14 21:06:17 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:06:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: subscribers' passwords
In-Reply-To: <20030314060924.GA21149@mobius.spacebox.net>
References: <20030314060924.GA21149@mobius.spacebox.net>
Message-ID: <20030314200617.GF5253@hq.newdream.net>

On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 01:09:24AM -0500, Duke wrote:

> I recently installed Mailman, replacing Majordomo, and I just used the
> mass subscription feature and fed it my Majordomo subscriber lists.  I'm
> wondering what, if any, my subscribers' initial passwords are, or how I
> could set them.

I think a random password is assigned to each subscriber when you
mass-subscribe. The passwords are sent to the subscribers in the monthly
password reminders, so you could just run whatever is in the mailman
crontab; probably something like:

python /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds

- this would mail all subscribers their passwords.

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")

From chasm at texas.net  Fri Mar 14 21:06:03 2003
From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen - RKBA!)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:06:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming a list
In-Reply-To: <15986.6701.459610.963001@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
References: <20030314125958.00544bec.gaf@blu.org>
	<15986.6701.459610.963001@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
Message-ID: 

On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:06:37 -0500, Vivek Khera  wrote:

>
>I did this by renaming the list subdirectory, the archive directories,
>and then redoing the aliases.  last step was to fix_url the url to the
>list.

certainly convoluted!  seems to me a script could be written to do this and then
incorporated in the s/w.  or am I totally out of it?
chas

...

From bhilburn at frontier.net  Fri Mar 14 21:16:58 2003
From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:16:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming a list
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20030314125958.00544bec.gaf@blu.org>
	<15986.6701.459610.963001@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

Message-ID: <1047673018.3e7238bac11fb@webmail.frontier.net>

FYI, when you rename a list all of the links in the archives are now incorrect.

May not seem like a big deal but it's confusing for a user that does a google 
search, an archived page comes up, they read the page then click the broken 
link for the list...

Quoting schuetzen - RKBA! :

> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:06:37 -0500, Vivek Khera  wrote:
> 
> >
> >I did this by renaming the list subdirectory, the archive directories,
> >and then redoing the aliases.  last step was to fix_url the url to the
> >list.
> 
> certainly convoluted!  seems to me a script could be written to do this and
> then
> incorporated in the s/w.  or am I totally out of it?
> chas
> 
> 
> 
> ...
> 
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From chasm at texas.net  Fri Mar 14 21:24:42 2003
From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen - RKBA!)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:24:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming a list
In-Reply-To: <1047673018.3e7238bac11fb@webmail.frontier.net>
References: <20030314125958.00544bec.gaf@blu.org>
	<15986.6701.459610.963001@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

	<1047673018.3e7238bac11fb@webmail.frontier.net>
Message-ID: <3ke47vsakga8ccudiipv8mcvnlsrt8ukp4@4ax.com>

On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:16:58 -0700, Bill Hilburn  wrote:

>
>> >I did this by renaming the list subdirectory, the archive directories,
>> >and then redoing the aliases.  last step was to fix_url the url to the
>> >list.

I of course, know that.   
I will restate my point again
it still seems to me that a script could be written with blanks to fill in for
new names, domains, dsns or IPs etc that could be run to make all these changes.
after all, it can be done in YHG, it should be able to be done with Mailman.
chas

...

From gwcohn at bblabs.net  Fri Mar 14 21:34:53 2003
From: gwcohn at bblabs.net (George Cohn)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:34:53 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Installation Bouncing Messages
In-Reply-To:  
References: 
Message-ID: <20030314203453.28832.qmail@atziluth.bblabs.net>

OK, I found an error in my /etc/postfix/aliases file and fixed it and ran 
newaliases and postfix reload.

Now when I post to my list, I get this message back:
==============================
Action:  failed
Status:  5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code:  X-Postfix; Command died with status 1: 
"/var/mailman/scripts/post members". Command output: Traceback (most recent 
call last): File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ? main() File 
"/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in main mlist = 
MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", 
line 79, in __init__ self.Load() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", 
line 892, in Load dict, e = self.__load(dbfile) File 
"/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in __load fp = open(dbfile) 
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/var/mailman/lists/members/config.db' 

I've run check_perms and it comes back OK but the last line above seems to 
indicate a permission problem? 

George Cohn

From julian at jlbprof.com  Sat Mar 15 03:22:30 2003
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:22:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] noob here
Message-ID: 

Howdy

I just installed V2.1.  I am excited, I am moving my many Majordomo lists
over.  But right out of the shoot, I ran into a problem with a confirmation
string.

I saw some discussion about that in beta and before, but not exactly as I am
seeing it.

Could you review this trace and tell me if I have it misconfigued in
someway?

Thanx

Julian Brown

f you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
main()
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 110, in main
subscription_confirm(mlist, doc, cookie, cgidata)
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 325, in
subscription_confirm
userdesc = Pending.confirm(cookie, expunge=0)[1]
TypeError: unsubscriptable object

Python information:
Variable Value
sys.version 2.2 (#1, Apr 12 2002, 15:29:57) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat
Linux 7.2 2.96-109)]
sys.executable /usr/bin/python
sys.prefix /usr
sys.exec_prefix /usr
sys.path /usr
sys.platform linux2
Environment variables:
Variable Value
PATH_INFO /gettysburg
HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml, application/xml, application/xhtml+xml,
text/html;q=0.9, image/png, image/jpeg, image/gif;q=0.2, text/plain;q=0.8,
text/css, */*;q=0.1
CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded
HTTP_REFERER
http://roundtop.arthes.com/mailman/confirm/gettysburg/e7044384835a781fbee0fa
d0ac80b96a40323f5e
SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.23 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.7
OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.3 PHP/4.1.2 mod_perl/1.26
PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/confirm
SERVER_ADMIN root at localhost
SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/confirm
SERVER_SIGNATURE
Apache/1.3.23 Server at roundtop.arthes.com Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD POST
HTTP_HOST roundtop.arthes.com
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300
SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING
REQUEST_URI /mailman/confirm/gettysburg
CONTENT_LENGTH 130
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66, *;q=0.66
HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)
Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1
HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive
SERVER_NAME roundtop.arthes.com
REMOTE_PORT 1229
REMOTE_ADDR 65.26.0.64
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us
PATH_TRANSLATED /var/www/html/gettysburg
SERVER_PORT 80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate, compress;q=0.9
SERVER_ADDR 216.62.147.33
DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/html

He tried it again later and had a different but I am sure related problem

ello,

         No, all cookies are enabled. I was using Netscape 6.2

         I tried the link again in Explorer and Netscape and got the
following

Bad confirmation string
Invalid confirmation string: e7044384835a781fbee0fad0ac80b96a40323f5e.

Note that confirmation strings expire approximately 3 days after the
initial subscription request. If your confirmation has expired, please try
to re-submit your subscription. Otherwise, re-enter your confirmation
string.

From paul at fpen.org  Sat Mar 15 16:02:43 2003
From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:02:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing attachments in the list archive
Message-ID: 

I am transferring a list to Mailman 2.1.1 in which the members like 
to send each other attachments.  Attachments seem to be distributed 
fine to the members but archive storage looks like it will be spotty.

In testing from a PC with NT4.0 and Outlook2K, .jpg and .doc files 
seem to store just fine.  .pdf files go through to the subscribers 
but are stored on the web with a "-0001.obj" replacing the ".pdf" at 
the end of the file name.  The file is then not recognized on the 
client machine.

When sent by a Macintosh with OSX using either Eudora or Mail.app, 
attachments which are listed as "type multipart/appledouble" are 
skipped and not stored in the web archives.  The attachments are 
distributed to the members intact but the archive states "Skipped 
content of type multipart/appledouble"

Two questions:
1. How can I control what filetypes are stored and what are skipped?
2. Is there a way to fix the way the .pdf files from the PC are stored?

Paul
-- 
Paul Kleeberg
paul at fpen.org

From jsmith at retiredmarines.com  Sat Mar 15 18:45:39 2003
From: jsmith at retiredmarines.com (Joseph Smith)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:45:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing Up Lists
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030315094201.00b35cb8@mail.retiredmarines.com>

Hello all,

I am by nature the proverbial turd in the punch bowl and try and find holes 
with ideas.  I asked a question to someone about a list backup in case of 
server down time.

Is there a file that the email list is kept in that I can keep a local copy 
of just in case of server failure?

preferably one that can be open/edited with a text editor.

Thanks
Joe

From jbutler at ua.edu  Sat Mar 15 18:44:47 2003
From: jbutler at ua.edu (Jeremy Butler)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:44:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Content Filtering Vs. PRE-Mailman Filtering
In-Reply-To: <1047255465.1640.31.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030308093528.00bd0860@bama.ua.edu>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20030308093528.00bd0860@bama.ua.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030315113332.028c3420@bama.ua.edu>

I'm trying to figure out the BEST way to do content filtering with 
Mailman:  (1) through Mailman's own content filtering or (2) through a 
dedicated filter (e.g., Procmail Email Sanitizer) that processes mail 
BEFORE Mailman sees it.

In Mailman's favor is the convenience of having the filter built-in and, I 
presume, a more efficient use of resources.

But in favor of Sanitizer (or another filter) is greater flexibility in the 
processing of attached files.  One can quarantine/defang/scan for viruses 
in misbehaving file attachments.

I've read in the Mailman FAQ about how to filter incoming mail before it 
hits Mailman (using Procmail), but my question is a more philosophical one:

SHOULD one pre-filter email before it gets to Mailman?

And if one should instead rely on Mailman for filtering, could someone 
provide samples of what they've used for

filter_mime_types
pass_mime_types

Thanks!

P.S.  I'm using Mailman 2.2.1 with Postfix on a RedHat 8 system.

Jeremy Butler
jbutler at ua.edu
========================================================
TELEVISION: CRITICAL METHODS AND APPLICATIONS
www.TVCrit.com

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar 15 20:40:22 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 15 Mar 2003 14:40:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Content Filtering Vs. PRE-Mailman
	Filtering
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030315113332.028c3420@bama.ua.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030308093528.00bd0860@bama.ua.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030308093528.00bd0860@bama.ua.edu> 
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030315113332.028c3420@bama.ua.edu>
Message-ID: <1047757226.10183.10.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

I've long been a proponent of "the right tool for the right job."  In
that vein, I recommend running your filtering using a pre-processor.

Extended Content Filtering could easily be added in to Mailman - it is
Open Source.  You could easily call an external content filter by
sticking in a new handler at the beginning of the stream.  Then it would
integrate automatically with all your lists.  Ahh the beauty of Open
Source!    

On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 12:44, Jeremy Butler wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out the BEST way to do content filtering with 
> Mailman:  (1) through Mailman's own content filtering or (2) through a 
> dedicated filter (e.g., Procmail Email Sanitizer) that processes mail 
> BEFORE Mailman sees it.
> 
> In Mailman's favor is the convenience of having the filter built-in and, I 
> presume, a more efficient use of resources.
> 
> But in favor of Sanitizer (or another filter) is greater flexibility in the 
> processing of attached files.  One can quarantine/defang/scan for viruses 
> in misbehaving file attachments.
> 
> I've read in the Mailman FAQ about how to filter incoming mail before it 
> hits Mailman (using Procmail), but my question is a more philosophical one:
> 
> SHOULD one pre-filter email before it gets to Mailman?
> 
> And if one should instead rely on Mailman for filtering, could someone 
> provide samples of what they've used for
> 
> filter_mime_types
> pass_mime_types
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> P.S.  I'm using Mailman 2.2.1 with Postfix on a RedHat 8 system.
> 
> 
> Jeremy Butler
> jbutler at ua.edu
> ========================================================
> TELEVISION: CRITICAL METHODS AND APPLICATIONS
> www.TVCrit.com
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar 15 20:49:03 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 15 Mar 2003 14:49:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing attachments in the list archive
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1047757747.10184.15.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Pipermail is the archiver that comes built-in to Mailman.  While
Pipermail fits the needs of 90% of the folks who use Mailman, it is a
light-weight archiver.  For more heavy duty archive use, you should look
at using something like Mhonarc.  Mhonarc should be able to handle your
needs easily, and there is an FAQ on setting up Mhonarc with Mailman.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 10:02, Paul Kleeberg wrote:
> I am transferring a list to Mailman 2.1.1 in which the members like 
> to send each other attachments.  Attachments seem to be distributed 
> fine to the members but archive storage looks like it will be spotty.
> 
> In testing from a PC with NT4.0 and Outlook2K, .jpg and .doc files 
> seem to store just fine.  .pdf files go through to the subscribers 
> but are stored on the web with a "-0001.obj" replacing the ".pdf" at 
> the end of the file name.  The file is then not recognized on the 
> client machine.
> 
> When sent by a Macintosh with OSX using either Eudora or Mail.app, 
> attachments which are listed as "type multipart/appledouble" are 
> skipped and not stored in the web archives.  The attachments are 
> distributed to the members intact but the archive states "Skipped 
> content of type multipart/appledouble"
> 
> Two questions:
> 1. How can I control what filetypes are stored and what are skipped?
> 2. Is there a way to fix the way the .pdf files from the PC are stored?
> 
> Paul
> -- 
> Paul Kleeberg
> paul at fpen.org
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar 15 20:56:53 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 15 Mar 2003 14:56:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] noob here
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1047758217.10179.21.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Be sure that you are using the latest version of Mailman version 2.1.1

This may be a problem where you already have a cookie stored for the
Mailman site and that cookie is incompatible with the current format. 
Try deleting all the cookies and then attaching to the site.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 21:22, Julian Brown wrote:
> Howdy
> 
> I just installed V2.1.  I am excited, I am moving my many Majordomo lists
> over.  But right out of the shoot, I ran into a problem with a confirmation
> string.
> 
> I saw some discussion about that in beta and before, but not exactly as I am
> seeing it.
> 
> Could you review this trace and tell me if I have it misconfigued in
> someway?
> 
> Thanx
> 
> Julian Brown
> 
> 
> f you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
> this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
> happened. Thanks!
> Traceback:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
> main()
> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 110, in main
> subscription_confirm(mlist, doc, cookie, cgidata)
> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 325, in
> subscription_confirm
> userdesc = Pending.confirm(cookie, expunge=0)[1]
> TypeError: unsubscriptable object
> 
> 
> Python information:
> Variable Value
> sys.version 2.2 (#1, Apr 12 2002, 15:29:57) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat
> Linux 7.2 2.96-109)]
> sys.executable /usr/bin/python
> sys.prefix /usr
> sys.exec_prefix /usr
> sys.path /usr
> sys.platform linux2
> Environment variables:
> Variable Value
> PATH_INFO /gettysburg
> HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml, application/xml, application/xhtml+xml,
> text/html;q=0.9, image/png, image/jpeg, image/gif;q=0.2, text/plain;q=0.8,
> text/css, */*;q=0.1
> CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded
> HTTP_REFERER
> http://roundtop.arthes.com/mailman/confirm/gettysburg/e7044384835a781fbee0fa
> d0ac80b96a40323f5e
> SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.23 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.7
> OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.3 PHP/4.1.2 mod_perl/1.26
> PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman
> SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/confirm
> SERVER_ADMIN root at localhost
> SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/confirm
> SERVER_SIGNATURE
> Apache/1.3.23 Server at roundtop.arthes.com Port 80
> REQUEST_METHOD POST
> HTTP_HOST roundtop.arthes.com
> HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300
> SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1
> QUERY_STRING
> REQUEST_URI /mailman/confirm/gettysburg
> CONTENT_LENGTH 130
> HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66, *;q=0.66
> HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4)
> Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1
> HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive
> SERVER_NAME roundtop.arthes.com
> REMOTE_PORT 1229
> REMOTE_ADDR 65.26.0.64
> HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us
> PATH_TRANSLATED /var/www/html/gettysburg
> SERVER_PORT 80
> GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1
> HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate, compress;q=0.9
> SERVER_ADDR 216.62.147.33
> DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/html
> 
> He tried it again later and had a different but I am sure related problem
> 
> ello,
> 
>          No, all cookies are enabled. I was using Netscape 6.2
> 
>          I tried the link again in Explorer and Netscape and got the
> following
> 
> Bad confirmation string
> Invalid confirmation string: e7044384835a781fbee0fad0ac80b96a40323f5e.
> 
> Note that confirmation strings expire approximately 3 days after the
> initial subscription request. If your confirmation has expired, please try
> to re-submit your subscription. Otherwise, re-enter your confirmation
> string.
> 
> 
> 
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From elena at inca.math.indiana.edu  Sat Mar 15 20:54:49 2003
From: elena at inca.math.indiana.edu (Elena Fraboschi)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:54:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] About SMTPDirect
Message-ID: <200303151954.OAA08949@inca.math.indiana.edu>

After having experimented with zillions of possibilities,
I went to google with this "query"

"SMTPDirect" does not work

and, much to my surprise, found three pages of messages
on that subject.  From SMTPDirect.py, I copy these lines...

# We have to play tricks so that the list object
# isn't locked while delivery occurs synchronously.
...
# MTA not responding, or other socket problems, or any other kind of
# SMTPException.  In that case, nothing got delivered

Well, I simply state this for the benefit of mailman developers who
might be here.  The tricks played do not suffice, in some cases.

My MTA is well set.  Postfix is delivering listserv out of the
box.  No problem there.

I have checked the python library (2.2 version), and I see that
I have all that SMTPDirect is calling for.

Still, after checking everything that I was told to check (perms,
etcetera), SMTPDirect does not work.  It does exactly what
one of the commented-out lines says:  "MTA not responding,
or other socket problems, or anyj other kind of SMTPException."
All gets queued, nothing gets delivered.

I believe the problem (and the fix) is far from transparent.
I'll await eagerly the release of a future version of mailman
where this problem (three pages of msgs in google about it...)
might have been fixed.  Many thanks, best, elena

From paul at fpen.org  Sat Mar 15 21:16:07 2003
From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:16:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing attachments in the list archive
In-Reply-To: <1047757747.10184.15.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
References: 
 <1047757747.10184.15.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: 

I considered using MHArc which uses MHonArc and makes it searchable 
but I decided against it for some odd reason which might have been 
unique to my site and which I do not currently recall.

Again:

1. Is there a way to control what filetypes are stored and what are skipped?
2. Is there a way to fix the way the .pdf files from the PC are stored?

At 2:49 PM -0500 3/15/03, Jon Carnes wrote:
>Pipermail is the archiver that comes built-in to Mailman.  While
>Pipermail fits the needs of 90% of the folks who use Mailman, it is a
>light-weight archiver.  For more heavy duty archive use, you should look
>at using something like Mhonarc.  Mhonarc should be able to handle your
>needs easily, and there is an FAQ on setting up Mhonarc with Mailman.
>
>Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>
>On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 10:02, Paul Kleeberg wrote:
>>  I am transferring a list to Mailman 2.1.1 in which the members like
>>  to send each other attachments.  Attachments seem to be distributed
>>  fine to the members but archive storage looks like it will be spotty.
>>
>>  In testing from a PC with NT4.0 and Outlook2K, .jpg and .doc files
>>  seem to store just fine.  .pdf files go through to the subscribers
>>  but are stored on the web with a "-0001.obj" replacing the ".pdf" at
>>  the end of the file name.  The file is then not recognized on the
>>  client machine.
>>
>>  When sent by a Macintosh with OSX using either Eudora or Mail.app,
>>  attachments which are listed as "type multipart/appledouble" are
>>  skipped and not stored in the web archives.  The attachments are
>>  distributed to the members intact but the archive states "Skipped
>>  content of type multipart/appledouble"
>>
>>  Two questions:
>  > 1. How can I control what filetypes are stored and what are skipped?
>  > 2. Is there a way to fix the way the .pdf files from the PC are stored?
>>
>  > Paul

-- 
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paul at fpen.org

From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Sat Mar 15 22:50:06 2003
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 06:50:06 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing attachments in the list archive
References: 
Message-ID: <3E73A00E.5000808@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Paul Kleeberg wrote:

> Two questions:
> 1. How can I control what filetypes are stored and what are skipped?

There is a patch for solving this bug.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=670167&group_id=103&atid=300103
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=43273&aid=670167

> 2. Is there a way to fix the way the .pdf files from the PC are stored?

Well, there is some security reason that this is changed I suppose.
Read the comment in Mailman/Handler/Scrubber.py. It might be better
that the file name extention policy is configurable though.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/

From mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il  Sun Mar 16 16:50:55 2003
From: mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Marina Markus)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:50:55 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why some messages aren't distributed?
In-Reply-To: <1047626504.1646.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: 

Hello and thank you,

But I checked both places and found nothing:

> Check to see if the messages have been shunted:
>   ~mailman/qfiles/shunt/..

I didn't find those specific undistributed messages 
in this directory, although found some older ones. 
May I ask what this "shunt" directory serves for?

> 
> Also check on your MTA and see if it is using your fully qualified
> domain name or merely a subset of your domain name (like fred instead of
> fred.mynet.com).
> 

Yes, it uses a fully qualified domain name "lists.bgu.ac.il".

Can there be a situation when "mailmanctl" dies by itself
and then starts anew by itself? This could be an explanation,
although I can't see how this could happen.

Regards,
-Marina

> Jon Carnes
> 
> On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 07:22, Marina Markus wrote:
> > 
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > We have Mailman 2.1.1 running on Linux Redhat7.1. While in general
> > it works OK and servers over 90 lists, a strange thing happens
> > from time to time: a message sent to the list isn't distributed
> > without any reasons. Sometimes during one day, out of four messages
> > posted by the same list member, two are distributed, and two are not.
> > 
> > List member gets no messages from the list indicating that something
> > wasn't accepted; and list manager and moderator also receives nothing.
> > 
> > Log files in ~mailman/logs contain nothing concerning messages
> > that were not distributed; "post" file contains only records 
> > about those messages that were distributed.
> > 
> > The log file of Sendmail "/var/log/maillog" shows the arrival
> > of the message to be posted in all cases. In cases when the message
> > is distributed, it shows sending of this message to list members.
> > In case when it's not, there is no record related to distribution;
> > the record following the arrival record is:
> > 
> > Mar 11 15:25:31 lists sendmail[508]: NOQUEUE: lists.bgu.ac.il
> > [132.72.137.215] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to
> > Daemon0
> > 
> > Maybe this may contain some hint for a problem, which I can't decipher.
> > 
> > I'll be grateful for any idea what to look for.
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Marina Markus
> > Ben-Gurion University Computer Center
> > Beer-Sheva, Israel
> > ======================
> > mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il
> > 
> > 
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From guettli at thomas-guettler.de  Sun Mar 16 22:41:31 2003
From: guettli at thomas-guettler.de (Thomas Guettler)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:41:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Delays: 22hours in Mailman-Queue
Message-ID: <20030316214131.GC865@thomas-guettler.de>

Hi!

I have a problem with mailman. Some mails hang in the queue very long
(See ** mark):

Received: from pu.schlittermann.de (212.80.235.130)
  by mx0.gmx.net (mx002-rz3) with SMTP; 8 Mar 2003 11:30:53 -0000
Received: from amavis by pu.schlittermann.de with scanned-ok (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))
        id 18rcXT-0000YP-00; Sat, 08 Mar 2003 12:30:51 +0100
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=pu.schlittermann.de)
        by pu.schlittermann.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))
        id 18rcXR-0000Xz-00; Sat, **08 Mar 2003** 12:30:49 +0100
Received: from amavis by pu.schlittermann.de with scanned-ok (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))
        id 18rHbf-0007FH-00
        for ; Fri, **07 Mar 2003** 14:09:47 +0100
Received: from vwisb7.vkw.tu-dresden.de ([141.30.51.183])
        by pu.schlittermann.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))
        id 18rHbe-0007F7-00
        for ; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 14:09:46 +0100

I tried to look into the log files, found no answer. Is there a way
for mailman to write message IDs in the log files?

Our mailinglist has low traffic: Ten mails per day, 200
subscribers. It is strange, only some mails hang. Not all.

According to the mail headers it can't be the virus checker amavis.

What could I do to narrow down the problem?

 Exim Version: 3.36-1
 Mailmn Version: 2.0.11-1woody5 (Debian)

  Thomas

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From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Mar 16 23:05:01 2003
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:05:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing Up Lists 
In-Reply-To: Message from Joseph Smith  
	<5.2.0.9.0.20030315094201.00b35cb8@mail.retiredmarines.com> 
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030315094201.00b35cb8@mail.retiredmarines.com> 
Message-ID: <12242.1047852301@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:45:39 -0800 
Joseph Smith  wrote:

> Hello all, I am by nature the proverbial turd in the punch bowl and
> try and find holes with ideas.  I asked a question to someone about a
> list backup in case of server down time.

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

From guettli at thomas-guettler.de  Sun Mar 16 23:05:39 2003
From: guettli at thomas-guettler.de (Thomas Guettler)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:05:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lock aquired in future
Message-ID: <20030316220539.GF865@thomas-guettler.de>

Hi!

The locks seem to be requested in the future.

pu:~# ls --full-time /var/lib/mailman/locks
total 8
-rw-rw-r--    2 list     list           44 Mon Mar 17 09:03:28 2003 qrunner.lock
-rw-rw-r--    2 list     list           44 Mon Mar 17 09:03:28 2003 qrunner.lock.pu.22391
pu:~# date
Sun Mar 16 23:04:31 CET 2003

10 hours difference are very long. Can someone explain this to me?

 thomas

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From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Mar 16 23:07:25 2003
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:07:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] About SMTPDirect 
In-Reply-To: Message from Elena Fraboschi  
	<200303151954.OAA08949@inca.math.indiana.edu> 
References: <200303151954.OAA08949@inca.math.indiana.edu> 
Message-ID: <12259.1047852445@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:54:49 -0500 (EST) 
Elena Fraboschi  wrote:

> I believe the problem (and the fix) is far from transparent.  I'll
> await eagerly the release of a future version of mailman where this
> problem (three pages of msgs in google about it...)  might have been
> fixed.  

Check your relay controls for your MTA.  Also check that your MTA is
listening for an will accept connections from localhost (or wherever
else you have Mailman connecting from)..

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
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http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Mon Mar 17 01:09:44 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:09:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list.org not resolving
Message-ID: <20030317000944.GA5282@hq.newdream.net>

[ bcc to the address in the SOA field ]

DNS for list.org seems to be messed up - there's still an MX record, but
no A record for list.org or www.list.org (at any of the 3 nameservers
for the zone). Is this intentional? Is there a new URL for the Mailman
site / FAQ?

aura% dig @NS4.BILOW.COM list.org any

; <<>> DiG 9.3.0s20020703 <<>> @NS4.BILOW.COM list.org any
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 26801
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 6, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 4

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;list.org.                      IN      ANY

;; ANSWER SECTION:
list.org.               7200    IN      MX      100 colossus.bilow.com.
list.org.               7200    IN      MX      10 mail.zork.org.
list.org.               7200    IN      NS      ns4.bilow.com.
list.org.               7200    IN      NS      ns3.bilow.com.
list.org.               7200    IN      NS      ns1.zork.org.
list.org.               7200    IN      SOA     ns.bilow.com. mike.bilow.com. 2003031202 3600 1800 604800 7200

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Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Mar 17 04:08:42 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Mar 2003 22:08:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Delays: 22hours in Mailman-Queue
In-Reply-To: <20030316214131.GC865@thomas-guettler.de>
References: <20030316214131.GC865@thomas-guettler.de>
Message-ID: <1047870526.1646.21.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

IIRC, there is a known problem with Mailman version 2.0.11 with certain
headers causing the queue to fall-over (and basically send mailman into
a long spiral of inactivity).  This prompted a quick release of 2.0.12
and then the eventual solid release of 2.0.13.  You should at least
upgrade to version 2.0.13!!!

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 16:41, Thomas Guettler wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I have a problem with mailman. Some mails hang in the queue very long
> (See ** mark):
> 
> Received: from pu.schlittermann.de (212.80.235.130)
>   by mx0.gmx.net (mx002-rz3) with SMTP; 8 Mar 2003 11:30:53 -0000
> Received: from amavis by pu.schlittermann.de with scanned-ok (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))
>         id 18rcXT-0000YP-00; Sat, 08 Mar 2003 12:30:51 +0100
> Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=pu.schlittermann.de)
>         by pu.schlittermann.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))
>         id 18rcXR-0000Xz-00; Sat, **08 Mar 2003** 12:30:49 +0100
> Received: from amavis by pu.schlittermann.de with scanned-ok (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))
>         id 18rHbf-0007FH-00
>         for ; Fri, **07 Mar 2003** 14:09:47 +0100
> Received: from vwisb7.vkw.tu-dresden.de ([141.30.51.183])
>         by pu.schlittermann.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))
>         id 18rHbe-0007F7-00
>         for ; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 14:09:46 +0100
> 
> I tried to look into the log files, found no answer. Is there a way
> for mailman to write message IDs in the log files?
> 
> Our mailinglist has low traffic: Ten mails per day, 200
> subscribers. It is strange, only some mails hang. Not all.
> 
> According to the mail headers it can't be the virus checker amavis.
> 
> What could I do to narrow down the problem?
>  
>  Exim Version: 3.36-1
>  Mailmn Version: 2.0.11-1woody5 (Debian)
> 
>   Thomas
> 
> -- 
> Thomas Guettler 
> http://www.thomas-guettler.de
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Mar 17 04:11:28 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Mar 2003 22:11:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lock aquired in future
In-Reply-To: <20030316220539.GF865@thomas-guettler.de>
References: <20030316220539.GF865@thomas-guettler.de>
Message-ID: <1047870692.1646.23.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Just as a guess... but are you using GMT time on your machine and then
using individual timezone settings for your users?

On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 17:05, Thomas Guettler wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> The locks seem to be requested in the future.
> 
> pu:~# ls --full-time /var/lib/mailman/locks
> total 8
> -rw-rw-r--    2 list     list           44 Mon Mar 17 09:03:28 2003 qrunner.lock
> -rw-rw-r--    2 list     list           44 Mon Mar 17 09:03:28 2003 qrunner.lock.pu.22391
> pu:~# date
> Sun Mar 16 23:04:31 CET 2003
> 
> 10 hours difference are very long. Can someone explain this to me?
> 
>  thomas
> 
> -- 
> Thomas Guettler 
> http://www.thomas-guettler.de
> 
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From gwcohn at bblabs.net  Mon Mar 17 04:13:01 2003
From: gwcohn at bblabs.net (George Cohn)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:13:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still can't get new installition to deliver mail
Message-ID: <3E753D3D.AFFCBB16@bblabs.net>

I'm running Mailman 2.0.13 with Postfix 1.1.11 on RH 8.

Everything works in Mailman now except it still won't deliver a message
to the subscribers (me) if I post a message.

What I am getting back is this:

Final-Recipient: rfc822; members at jcsaz.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 1:
    "/var/mailman/scripts/post members". Command output: Traceback (most
recent
    call last):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ?    
main()
    File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main    
msg.Enqueue(mlist,
    tolist=1)   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in
Enqueue
    dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w')   File
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py",
    line 601, in open_ex     fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
IOError:
    [Errno 13] Permission denied:

'/var/spool/mailman/qfiles/eab7bf064c5f08d5f4bb50519039b967f53d6c1c.db'

I am guessing that that last line is actually the message ID but somehow
it can't be opened because of permissions problems?

Anybody have some clues?

TIA

George Cohn

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Mar 17 04:36:05 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Mar 2003 22:36:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why some messages aren't distributed?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1047872169.1646.41.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

What are your "Delivery defaults" set to in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
(or Defaults.py)?

===========
#DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'

# MTA -- but then also see POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS.
MTA = 'Manual'

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = []

POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias'
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap'

SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500

SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 0

MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 0

SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
SMTPPORT = 0                                      # default from smtplib

==================

Have you tried running with
  DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'

On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 10:50, Marina Markus wrote:
> 
> Hello and thank you,
> 
> But I checked both places and found nothing:
> 
> > Check to see if the messages have been shunted:
> >   ~mailman/qfiles/shunt/..
> 
> I didn't find those specific undistributed messages 
> in this directory, although found some older ones. 
> May I ask what this "shunt" directory serves for?
> 
There are some archive messages from Barry that explain it. 

I believe they are for messages that take too long for Mailman to
process.  There might be a problem with their headers or with the
system. In any case, rather than let the message clog up the queue,
Mailman gives up on the message and shunts it.

Check out the ~mailman/bin/unshunt command
> > 
> > Also check on your MTA and see if it is using your fully qualified
> > domain name or merely a subset of your domain name (like fred instead of
> > fred.mynet.com).
> > 
> 
> Yes, it uses a fully qualified domain name "lists.bgu.ac.il".
> 
> Can there be a situation when "mailmanctl" dies by itself
> and then starts anew by itself? This could be an explanation,
> although I can't see how this could happen.
> 
> Regards,
> -Marina
Something similar can happen.

One of the features of version 2.1 is that it times it's processes as a
last resort to figure out if a process is hung somehow.  As an example,
the Archiver qrunner has a specified number of minutes to handle each
message, if it exceeds that time limit then it is killed and restarted
after all the other qrunners have been given another go.

(at least that is how I read the code...)

HtH - Jon Carnes

BTW: are you running any Spam/virus scanning in conjunction with your
Sendmail?

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Mar 17 04:38:56 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Mar 2003 22:38:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still can't get new installition to deliver mail
In-Reply-To: <3E753D3D.AFFCBB16@bblabs.net>
References: <3E753D3D.AFFCBB16@bblabs.net>
Message-ID: <1047872340.1916.44.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Looks like a rights problem...

In any case, check out FAQ 3.14 which covers this problem in detail.
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
===
On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 22:13, George Cohn wrote:
> I'm running Mailman 2.0.13 with Postfix 1.1.11 on RH 8.
> 
> Everything works in Mailman now except it still won't deliver a message
> to the subscribers (me) if I post a message.
> 
> What I am getting back is this:
> 
> Final-Recipient: rfc822; members at jcsaz.com
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 1:
>     "/var/mailman/scripts/post members". Command output: Traceback (most
> recent
>     call last):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ?    
> main()
>     File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main    
> msg.Enqueue(mlist,
>     tolist=1)   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in
> Enqueue
>     dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w')   File
> "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py",
>     line 601, in open_ex     fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
> IOError:
>     [Errno 13] Permission denied:
>    
> '/var/spool/mailman/qfiles/eab7bf064c5f08d5f4bb50519039b967f53d6c1c.db'
> 
> I am guessing that that last line is actually the message ID but somehow
> it can't be opened because of permissions problems?
> 
> Anybody have some clues?
> 
> TIA
> 
> George Cohn
> 
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
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From barry at python.org  Mon Mar 17 06:06:42 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:06:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lock aquired in future
References: <20030316220539.GF865@thomas-guettler.de>
Message-ID: <15989.22498.450830.360744@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

>>>>> "TG" == Thomas Guettler  writes:

    TG> The locks seem to be requested in the future.

This is by design.  The lock's atime/mtime specifies the point in the
future when the lock would time out.  By default the lock lifetime is
5 hours.

This is normal.
-Barry

From guettli at thomas-guettler.de  Mon Mar 17 08:10:12 2003
From: guettli at thomas-guettler.de (Thomas Guettler)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:10:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message IDs in /var/log/smtp and smtp-failure
Message-ID: <20030317071012.GB878@thomas-guettler.de>

Hi!

Since I am using debian stable, I don't want to update the mailman. I
like to narrow down the problem.

How can Message IDs be displayed in /var/log/smtp and smtp-failure?

It would be nice if the following line would contain message ID and
the To-Header:
 Mar 17 06:46:56 2003 (14243) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 10.025 seconds
 Mar 17 07:58:36 2003 (14243) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4299.983 seconds

Do I need to patch the python scripts?

 Regards,

  Thomas

-- 
Thomas Guettler 
http://www.thomas-guettler.de

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Mar 17 13:05:37 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Mar 2003 07:05:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message IDs in /var/log/smtp and smtp-failure
In-Reply-To: <20030317071012.GB878@thomas-guettler.de>
References: <20030317071012.GB878@thomas-guettler.de>
Message-ID: <1047902742.1810.7.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 02:10, Thomas Guettler wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Since I am using debian stable, I don't want to update the mailman. I
> like to narrow down the problem.

You may still be able to find an upgrade patch that allows you to
upgrade 2.0.11 up to 2.0.13.  I'm pretty sure those Mailman patches
are specifically designed to be applied to the source.

> 
> How can Message IDs be displayed in /var/log/smtp and smtp-failure?

Upgrade to version 2.1.1 :-)
> 
> It would be nice if the following line would contain message ID and
> the To-Header:
>  Mar 17 06:46:56 2003 (14243) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 10.025 seconds
>  Mar 17 07:58:36 2003 (14243) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4299.983 seconds
> 
>From version 2.1.1:

Jan 22 22:58:16 2003 (2804) 
smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.133 seconds
Jan 22 22:58:17 2003 (2804) 
smtp for 2 recips, completed in 0.329 seconds

> Do I need to patch the python scripts?

Feel free to re-invent the wheel.  You might want to simply download the
working code (either from 2.0.13 or from 2.1.1) and steal the parts you
want/need in order to get your install working reliably

Of course, I don't see much of a difference between that and simply
upgrading :-)

Enjoy yourself!

Jon Carnes

From mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il  Mon Mar 17 13:18:18 2003
From: mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Marina Markus)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:18:18 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why some messages aren't distributed?
In-Reply-To: <1047872169.1646.41.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: 

Hello,

Yes, the defaults are exactly as you write except for SMTP_MAX_RCPTS
set to 400.

I'm reluctant to try "DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'" because of 
so many warnings of possible problems - is it worth trying 
anyway?

-Marina

On 16 Mar 2003, Jon Carnes wrote:

> What are your "Delivery defaults" set to in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
> (or Defaults.py)?
> 
> ===========
> #DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
> DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
> 
> # MTA -- but then also see POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS.
> MTA = 'Manual'
> 
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = []
> 
> POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias'
> POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap'
> 
> SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500
> 
> SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 0
> 
> MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 0
> 
> SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
> SMTPPORT = 0                                      # default from smtplib
> 
> ==================
> 
> Have you tried running with
>   DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
> 
> On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 10:50, Marina Markus wrote:
> > 
> > Hello and thank you,
> > 
> > But I checked both places and found nothing:
> > 
> > > Check to see if the messages have been shunted:
> > >   ~mailman/qfiles/shunt/..
> > 
> > I didn't find those specific undistributed messages 
> > in this directory, although found some older ones. 
> > May I ask what this "shunt" directory serves for?
> > 
> There are some archive messages from Barry that explain it. 
> 
> I believe they are for messages that take too long for Mailman to
> process.  There might be a problem with their headers or with the
> system. In any case, rather than let the message clog up the queue,
> Mailman gives up on the message and shunts it.
> 
> Check out the ~mailman/bin/unshunt command
> > > 
> > > Also check on your MTA and see if it is using your fully qualified
> > > domain name or merely a subset of your domain name (like fred instead of
> > > fred.mynet.com).
> > > 
> > 
> > Yes, it uses a fully qualified domain name "lists.bgu.ac.il".
> > 
> > Can there be a situation when "mailmanctl" dies by itself
> > and then starts anew by itself? This could be an explanation,
> > although I can't see how this could happen.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > -Marina
> Something similar can happen.
> 
> One of the features of version 2.1 is that it times it's processes as a
> last resort to figure out if a process is hung somehow.  As an example,
> the Archiver qrunner has a specified number of minutes to handle each
> message, if it exceeds that time limit then it is killed and restarted
> after all the other qrunners have been given another go.
> 
> (at least that is how I read the code...)
>  
> HtH - Jon Carnes
>  
> BTW: are you running any Spam/virus scanning in conjunction with your
> Sendmail?
> 
> 

From sumeetp at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 17 13:26:03 2003
From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:26:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] __init__.py line 51 Empty module name
Message-ID: 

I seem to be getting alot (about 700) of these all of the sudden w no
changes to my Rhat 8.0/MM2.1.1 and sendmail 8.11.6. Can someone please point
me in the right direction. thx, sumeet.

Mar 17 04:03:56 2003 (1735) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/list/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/list/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/list/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/list/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 319, in process
    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
  File
"/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py"
, line 51, in search_function
ValueError: Empty module name

From gaf at blu.org  Mon Mar 17 14:50:22 2003
From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:50:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from Mailman 2.0.6 to 2.1.1
Message-ID: <20030317085022.617afd45.gaf@blu.org>

I am planning to upgrade the BLU site which is currently running 2.0.6
to 2.1.1. I was wondering if there are any problems I should expect. 
The first is that I need to upgrade Python also. We are running Red Hat
7.1 with a 2.4.18 kernel. In the case of both Python and Mailman I will
be upgrading from sources, not RPM. 

-- 
Jerry Feldman 
Boston Linux and Unix user group
http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9
PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

From elena at inca.math.indiana.edu  Mon Mar 17 15:28:06 2003
From: elena at inca.math.indiana.edu (Elena Fraboschi)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:28:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] About SMTPDirect 
Message-ID: <200303171428.JAA12144@inca.math.indiana.edu>

Thank you.  As I said, the MTA is listening lo 
localhost.  It is relaying perfectly fine a mailing list using
listserv, without a hitch.  Thanks for answering, though.  Best,
elena

From roger at bcah.com  Mon Mar 17 17:00:21 2003
From: roger at bcah.com (Roger H. Goun)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:00:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sitewide list
Message-ID: <20030317160021.GE11779@kiera.woofyllc.com>

I just had a weird problem with the site-wide "mailman" list: the
links to it on the listinfo and admin pages on my site don't work,
apparently because their case is wrong.

I updated from 2.0.x to 2.1 back in January, then later I applied the
xss patch, and today I've upgraded to 2.1.1. Back when I upgraded to
2.1, I neglected to create the site-wide list. Today I noticed the
"Site list is missing" log message and a quick Google search revealed
the solution.

After creating the "mailman" list with "bin/newlist mailman", I went
to my Web server's .../mailman/listinfo page and clicked on the
"Mailman" link in the list of mailing lists at the bottom. I was
redirected to the same page.

A little investigation revealed that the page contained a link to
.../mailman/listinfo/mailman, which doesn't work, rather than to
.../mailman/listinfo/Mailman, which DOES work. The same thing happened
with the .../mailman/admin/mailman link on the .../mailman/admin page.
Restarting Apache and my browser didn't solve the problem. Changing
the public name (general/real_name) of the list from "Mailman" to
"mailman" didn't help, either.

Even more strangely, links like .../mailman/admin/mailman/privacy DO
work, as do the capitalized versions like
.../mailman/admin/Mailman/privacy.

Since then I've "solved" the problem by hiding the site-wide list
(privacy/subscribing/advertised set to 'No') as suggested in this
thread. If someone will tell me the solution I'll be happy to document
it for the FAQ.

Thanks,

Roger

Environment:

Fully updated Red Hat Linux 7.3 x86
apache-1.3.27-2
python2-2.2.2-11.7.3

-- 
Roger H. Goun                  Brentwood Country Animal Hospital, P.C.
Chief Kennel Officer           Exeter, New Hampshire, USA

From b at grabbarna.nu  Mon Mar 17 18:05:15 2003
From: b at grabbarna.nu (Jan Banan)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:05:15 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup an announce list
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

I'm trying to setup an announce list on which only a few people should be 
able to post, but I can't find a good way to do it. I see only a suitable 
option "general - emergency", but I think that is not the one I should 
use... 

Can anybody point me right please?

       Best regards / Jan

From b at grabbarna.nu  Mon Mar 17 18:14:22 2003
From: b at grabbarna.nu (Jan Banan)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:14:22 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	Web mail archive only available to list administrator
Message-ID: 

Hi,

Is it possible to make the web mail archive only available to list 
administrator? As what I can see I can only choose between having the mail 
archive public or private (for subscribers). 

One of my list administrator want to have a web mail archive only 
accessible to himself but not for the subscribers (he want them to imagine 
that what they write won't be archived :-) )

I'm using Mailman 2.1.1.

Best,
Jan

From list_usr at spacebox.net  Mon Mar 17 18:21:43 2003
From: list_usr at spacebox.net (Duke)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:21:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max. message length
Message-ID: <20030317172143.GB3252@mobius.spacebox.net>

Under the General Options for a list, there's a field "Maximum length in
kilobytes (KB) of a message body. Use 0 for no limit."  What happens if
a message fails to meet this restriction?  Is it bounced?  I'd like to
have those messages sent to the Pending Moderator requests so I can
approve or reject the message.
Is this possible?

Thanks,

    -- Duke.

From nneul at umr.edu  Mon Mar 17 18:30:14 2003
From: nneul at umr.edu (Neulinger, Nathan)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:30:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max. message length
Message-ID: 

They are held for moderation.

------------------------------------------------------------
Nathan Neulinger                       EMail:  nneul at umr.edu
University of Missouri - Rolla         Phone: (573) 341-4841
Computing Services                       Fax: (573) 341-4216

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duke [mailto:list_usr at spacebox.net] 
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:22 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] max. message length
> 
> 
> Under the General Options for a list, there's a field 
> "Maximum length in
> kilobytes (KB) of a message body. Use 0 for no limit."  What 
> happens if
> a message fails to meet this restriction?  Is it bounced?  I'd like to
> have those messages sent to the Pending Moderator requests so I can
> approve or reject the message.
> Is this possible?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>     -- Duke.
> 
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From matthew at cadanoche.com  Mon Mar 17 18:34:33 2003
From: matthew at cadanoche.com (matthew reynolds)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:34:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html/text  email
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <003c01c2ecab$7962dc40$02fea8c0@shuttle>

I seem to recall a setting on the admin screens that controlled whether
the list would send posts in html or text format. i see the setting for
digest users, but that's not what i'm referring to. 

i sure can't find it now, and beginning to think i imagined it...

thanks,

matthew reynolds
http://cadanoche.com

f u cn rd ths, itn tyg h myxbl cd.

From david at midrange.com  Mon Mar 17 18:43:02 2003
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:43:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: html/text  email
References: 
	<003c01c2ecab$7962dc40$02fea8c0@shuttle>
Message-ID: 

"matthew reynolds"  wrote in message
news:003c01c2ecab$7962dc40$02fea8c0 at shuttle...
> I seem to recall a setting on the admin screens that controlled whether
> the list would send posts in html or text format. i see the setting for
> digest users, but that's not what i'm referring to.

What version?

If 2.1, then look at the content filtering page.

david

From matthew at cadanoche.com  Mon Mar 17 18:54:48 2003
From: matthew at cadanoche.com (matthew reynolds)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:54:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: html/text  email
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <003e01c2ecae$4d22b4e0$02fea8c0@shuttle>

> 
> "matthew reynolds"  wrote in message 
> news:003c01c2ecab$7962dc40$02fea8c0 at shuttle...
> > I seem to recall a setting on the admin screens that controlled 
> > whether the list would send posts in html or text format. i see the 
> > setting for digest users, but that's not what i'm referring to.
> 
> What version?
> 
> If 2.1, then look at the content filtering page.
>
> david

version 2.0.13.cisto1

hmm... not my server. i'm thinking that maybe there has been a downgrade
for some reason. 

matthew

From jan.kellermann at werk21.de  Mon Mar 17 19:50:09 2003
From: jan.kellermann at werk21.de (Jan Kellermann)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:50:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] __init__.py line 51 Empty module name
References: 
Message-ID: <00c401c2ecb6$091e5120$0501a8c0@marx>

Hi!

I have the same error message. The senddigests dies with this message (see
(1)) and the Runner, too (see (2)).

in mm_cgf.py is
DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'de'

The /shunt/-directory is growing hour by hour. can someone give a useful
hint?
I did install the cvs-version 1 hour ago and startet /bin/unshunt (yes, I
did restart the mailmanctl).
I tried it with python 2.1 also.

thank you
Jan Kellermann

(1) cron-report
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1//cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1//cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
    mlist.send_digest_now()
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1//Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in
send_digest_now
    ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1//Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in
send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1//Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in
send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1//Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in
process
    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
  File "/usr/lib/python2.1/encodings/__init__.py", line 47, in
search_function
    mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
ValueError: Empty module name

(2) /logs/error
Mar 17 19:13:30 2003 (21397) SHUNTING:
1047922040.310686+5bce2ca583617beff66de64be18ebe03154fb083
Mar 17 19:13:30 2003 (21397) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name
Mar 17 19:13:30 2003 (21397) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in
_oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in
_onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130,
in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153,
in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in
process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in
send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in
send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in
process
    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in
search_function
    mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
ValueError: Empty module name

Mar 17 19:13:30 2003 (21397) SHUNTING:
1047922855.149357+40bc42a2e770c0b8213a4060a24a0e2673b5e8b7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sumeet" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:26 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] __init__.py line 51 Empty module name

> I seem to be getting alot (about 700) of these all of the sudden w no
> changes to my Rhat 8.0/MM2.1.1 and sendmail 8.11.6. Can someone please
point
> me in the right direction. thx, sumeet.
>
> Mar 17 04:03:56 2003 (1735) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/list/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in process
>     send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests
>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in
send_i18n_digests
>     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 319, in process
>     t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
>   File
>
"/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py"
> , line 51, in search_function
> ValueError: Empty module name
>
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From matt at minahangroup.com  Mon Mar 17 20:03:30 2003
From: matt at minahangroup.com (Matt Minahan)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:03:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030317140312.02926588@mail.speakeasy.net>

Dear Mailfolks,

         I'm using Mm 2.1.1 and I have two questions about trapping 
filtered messages.

The FAQ for Mm suggests putting content-type filters on the Privacy --> 
spam page; I would have thought that the Content Filtering page would have 
been a better place.  These are the filters suggested at the FAQ page:

content-type: .*octet
content-type: .*oda
content-type: .*audio
content-type: .*image
content-type: .*alternative
content-type: .*digest
content-type: .*mixed
content-type: .*related
content-type: .*rich
content-type: .*html
content-type: .*video

Q1: is one place better than the other and why so?

And, when messages trip the Content-filter trap, the sender receives a very 
cryptic: The message's content type was explicitly disallowed

When messages trip the Filters --> Spam trap, the sender receives a 
somewhat friendlier, but still unhelpful:

Your mail to 'Odnet-test2' with the subject

     small again

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

     Message has a suspicious header

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
this posting, please visit the following URL:

Q2: are these messages editable?  And, if so, what are they called and 
where can I find them?

Thanks for your help.

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
                 Matt Minahan, Ed.D

Organization Strategy,  Design, and  Development
http://www.minahangroup.com   Ph:  301-625-0101
email:matt at minahangroup.com   Fx:  301-625-0202

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ 

From syed at mimos.my  Fri Mar 14 12:06:24 2003
From: syed at mimos.my (mr_zali)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:06:24 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] delete list that have space
Message-ID: <3E71B7B0.8000305@mimos.my>

Hi,

I create a list named free software.
But how i want to delete the list. Using 'rmlist' command still
no effect. I'm using Mailman-2.0.12.

From dwight at significant.com  Fri Mar 14 15:01:39 2003
From: dwight at significant.com (Dwight Ernest)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:01:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to purge corrupt address
In-Reply-To: <1047626217.1642.47.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
References: <3E70EEFA.4000607@significant.com>
	<1047626217.1642.47.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3E71E0C3.4040806@significant.com>

Thanks, Jon. This worked (when I chose a character other than "X" which 
apparently had special meaning in the pickle!).

Jon Carnes wrote:
> The easiest way I've found to do this is to stop Mailman from running
> and then use a hex editor to edit the binary directly (change the out of
> range value to an standard Ascii value).  Note, that Mailman stores the
> email names in several places within the database.
> 
> It would be great if someone would write a small script to parse through
> the database and check all the email names... sigh, yet another thing on
> my list.
> 
> Hope that is helpful,
> Jon Carnes

From js290 at bellsouth.net  Sun Mar 16 09:45:10 2003
From: js290 at bellsouth.net (Jiann-Ming Su)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 03:45:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] website problems?
Message-ID: 

Is mailman's website (www.list.org) down?  I cannot reach it from several
different domains.  Please reply to me directly since I'm not subscribed
to the mailing list.  Thanks.

-- 
Jiann-Ming Su  js290 at bellsouth.net
"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."  --F. Nietzche

From forrie at forrie.com  Sun Mar 16 23:27:31 2003
From: forrie at forrie.com (Forrest Aldrich)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:27:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman 2.1.1
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030316172442.02bc8e58@192.168.1.1>

The documentation (INSTALL) should be updated to insert the "% bin/newlist 
mailman" information prior to issuing the "$ bin/mailmanctl start" - to the 
new user, this throws you off because it errors on the non-existence of the 
mailman list.

In the mailman interface, it's not clear where to set moderation on or off 
for a given list - it might be easier to include options for moderation in 
one page, rather than in different areas.  Where is the option to select 
moderated or not?

Thanks...

From dwhood at techm.org  Mon Mar 17 03:49:19 2003
From: dwhood at techm.org (Darren Hood)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:49:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman How-Tos Needed
Message-ID: <000301c2ec2f$d1d747c0$0201a8c0@dhmaina2k>

Hello.

I'm new to Mailman and finally got my lists to work, but need to know
how to perform certain tasks:

1.	Only certain people will be allowed to send messages to the
list. How can I edit the welcome message that is sent out to new
subscribers so that posting info is not included?

2.	In my first test message, an attached text file is included
containing info about the list.  How can I keep the attachment from
being sent?

Thanks.

DH

From forrie at forrie.com  Mon Mar 17 04:01:20 2003
From: forrie at forrie.com (Forrest Aldrich)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:01:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-discarded
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030316215942.02d0cd50@192.168.1.1>

I'm trying to figure out why I keep getting this error:

The attached message has been automatically discarded.

I'm sending some textual content to my local mailman-2.1.1 list; and now 
matter how I submit it, I keep getting it returned as "The attached message 
has been automatically discarded."   And it can't possibly be the bounce 
detection (it's not bouncing) - but I did try turning that off, and still 
failure.

_F

From syed at mimos.my  Mon Mar 17 04:05:39 2003
From: syed at mimos.my (syed)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:05:39 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] howto remove list contain space
Message-ID: <3E753B83.4E82B269@mimos.my>

Hi,

How I want to remove a list that contain blank space.
I already create a list named "open source" and want remove it.
Using command ./rmlist -a open\ source seem not working.
I'm using mailman-2.0.12 (OpenBSD)

Thanks

--
Syed Ahmad Shazali Syed Abdullah
Researcher, Open Source Development
MIMOS Berhad, Malaysia
http://opensource.mimos.my
http://asiaosc.org

From forrie at forrie.com  Mon Mar 17 04:07:19 2003
From: forrie at forrie.com (Forrest Aldrich)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:07:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-discarded(part 2)
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030316220546.02cbb008@192.168.1.1>

I did some tests, and it seems that a subject line like:

Monster Resume #6666666 CC/CC - C/C++  Monster Job #565656565

Makes the current mailmain software auto-discard it.   I tried turning the 
bounce processing off, but it still continues.  Where can I disable or 
otherwise modify this behavior of Mailman.

From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Mon Mar 17 20:09:50 2003
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 17 Mar 2003 11:09:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users]
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030317140312.02926588@mail.speakeasy.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030317140312.02926588@mail.speakeasy.net>
Message-ID: <1047928193.30533.1117.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 11:03, Matt Minahan wrote:
>          I'm using Mm 2.1.1 and I have two questions about trapping 
> filtered messages.
> 
> The FAQ for Mm suggests putting content-type filters on the Privacy --> 
> spam page; I would have thought that the Content Filtering page would have 
> been a better place.  These are the filters suggested at the FAQ page:

Matt,
That FAQ was written for 2.0.x versions of Mailman, and isn't applicable
to 2.1.x. I don't have access to 2.1.x yet, so I'm unable to update that
FAQ.

-- 
Mike Noyes 
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/  http://sitedocs.sf.net/  http://ffl.sf.net/

From tim at happygecko.com  Mon Mar 17 21:26:05 2003
From: tim at happygecko.com (Tim Roberts)
Date: 17 Mar 2003 21:26:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] howto remove list contain space
In-Reply-To: <3E753B83.4E82B269@mimos.my>
References: <3E753B83.4E82B269@mimos.my>
Message-ID: <1047932765.1205.2.camel@gecko.happygecko.com>

In *nix you can generally 

./rmlist -a "open source"

Tim

On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 04:05, syed wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> How I want to remove a list that contain blank space.
> I already create a list named "open source" and want remove it.
> Using command ./rmlist -a open\ source seem not working.
> I'm using mailman-2.0.12 (OpenBSD)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> --
> Syed Ahmad Shazali Syed Abdullah
> Researcher, Open Source Development
> MIMOS Berhad, Malaysia
> http://opensource.mimos.my
> http://asiaosc.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From scratch at xmission.com  Mon Mar 17 20:32:17 2003
From: scratch at xmission.com (Warren Woodward)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:32:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Terse Phrase and Reply To
Message-ID: <20030317123217.A32165@xmission.com>

After our upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1.1, it seems several existing lists 
have had the "terse phrase identifying this list" turn into the default 
"Reply To" in the list headers (ala personalization, where the phrase is 
the 'name' of the list).  

I can't figure out how to disable this. We'd like the reply-to to simply 
be the list address without this feature.  Some lists do this, others do 
not, even though on initial observation the configurations seem to be the 
same.  What am I missing?

 -- 
warren woodward
XMission DSL
Domo/Mailman
warrenw at xmission.com
(801) 303-0819
(877) XMISSION

"The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war."
			-JFK, American University, June 10, 1963

From jfcessor at aznetgate.net  Mon Mar 17 20:54:31 2003
From: jfcessor at aznetgate.net (John Cessor)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:54:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] load error after install in FreeBSD 5.0
Message-ID: <009c01c2ecbf$09bf8410$0d01a8c0@AZNG13>

Folks
I just tried to install mailman on a FreeBSD 5.0 system and when
attempting to go to the admin page it returns the below error.
Any idea what I did wrong? The url for the machine is
http://www.azng.net/mailman/admin
JohnC

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a
copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
description of what happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py",
line 52, in __init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49,
in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67,
in __get_f
    1)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open
    file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------

Python information:
      Variable Value
      sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Jan 3 2003, 07:54:31) [GCC 3.2.1
[FreeBSD] 20021119 (release)]
      sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python
      sys.prefix /usr/local
      sys.exec_prefix /usr/local
      sys.path /usr/local
      sys.platform freebsd5

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------

Environment variables:
      Variable Value
      PYTHONPATH  /usr/local/mailman
      SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.27 (Unix)
      SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
      SERVER_ADMIN  jfcessor at aznetgate.net
      SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/admin
      SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.27 Server at asa.azng.net Port
80
      REQUEST_METHOD  GET
      HTTP_HOST  www.azng.net
      SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1
      QUERY_STRING
      REQUEST_URI  /mailman/admin
      HTTP_ACCEPT  */*
      HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows
NT 5.1)
      HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive
      SERVER_NAME  asa.azng.net
      REMOTE_ADDR  208.187.24.120
      REMOTE_PORT  3141
      HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us
      SERVER_ADDR  208.187.24.124
      SERVER_PORT  80
      GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
      HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate
      UNIQUE_ID  PnYTAtC7GHwAAAHoA4A
      DOCUMENT_ROOT  /usr/local/www/data

From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 17 21:15:02 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:15:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup an announce list
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <21560656.20030317121502@earthlink.net>

Jan,

I found the answer off of the Mailman FAQ search engine.  I am in the
process of implementing this solution.  Below is the link to the
question 3.11

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=newsletter%2Fannouncement%2Fone-way&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search

Peace,
George

Hi all,

I'm trying to setup an announce list on which only a few people should be 
able to post, but I can't find a good way to do it. I see only a suitable 
option "general - emergency", but I think that is not the one I should 
use... 

Can anybody point me right please?

       Best regards / Jan

From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Mon Mar 17 21:15:21 2003
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:15:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to purge corrupt address
In-Reply-To: <3E71E0C3.4040806@significant.com>
Message-ID: <2DC0E380-58B5-11D7-91F0-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>

This gave me an idea, since I had a list with a binary email address  
(how? add_members of a directory instead of a file in the directory.  
oops).

Here's what I did:
	dumpdb config.db

	this gave me the "\x00\x0c\x....." version of the string.

I cut and pasted that into a quickie perl script:

	#! /usr/bin/perl
	print "\x00\x0c\x......."

	% foo > foo.out

I used that file with remove_members:

	% remove_members -f foo.out 

and it removed the address for me just fine. By dumping the binary into  
a file and then using -f, it avoids running the binary through the  
shell, which is a Bad Thing, so remove_members works on it.

On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 06:01  AM, Dwight Ernest wrote:

> Thanks, Jon. This worked (when I chose a character other than "X"  
> which apparently had special meaning in the pickle!).
>
> Jon Carnes wrote:
>> The easiest way I've found to do this is to stop Mailman from running
>> and then use a hex editor to edit the binary directly (change the out  
>> of
>> range value to an standard Ascii value).  Note, that Mailman stores  
>> the
>> email names in several places within the database.
>> It would be great if someone would write a small script to parse  
>> through
>> the database and check all the email names... sigh, yet another thing  
>> on
>> my list.
>> Hope that is helpful,
>> Jon Carnes
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:  
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: chuqui at plaidworks.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ 
> chuqui%40plaidworks.com
>
>
-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

From barry at python.org  Mon Mar 17 22:24:52 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:24:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] __init__.py line 51 Empty module name
References: 
Message-ID: <15990.15652.566408.52559@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

>>>>> "S" == Sumeet   writes:

    S> I seem to be getting alot (about 700) of these all of the
    S> sudden w no changes to my Rhat 8.0/MM2.1.1 and sendmail
    S> 8.11.6. Can someone please point me in the right
    S> direction. thx, sumeet.

    S> "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py"
    S> , line 51, in search_function ValueError: Empty module name

What version of Python are you using and did you install it from
source or from RPM (e.g. it came with RH 8.0 when you installed the
system)?

If the latter, then the most likely cause is that RH's done it again,
by splitting the standard Python distro and not including the standard
encodings package with the basic Python RPM.

You choices are to install all the other Python related RPMs or build
Python 2.2.2 from source.  It would be nice to know what RPM ends up
fixing this and what Python packages it adds so that I can add the
appropriate assertions to Mailman's installation scripts.

-Barry

From tim at happygecko.com  Tue Mar 18 00:07:42 2003
From: tim at happygecko.com (Tim Roberts)
Date: 18 Mar 2003 00:07:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List posting problems
In-Reply-To: <2DC0E380-58B5-11D7-91F0-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
References: <2DC0E380-58B5-11D7-91F0-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <1047942462.566.5.camel@gecko.happygecko.com>

Hi,

I managed to install Mailman using the INSTALL for guidance. I can sign
users up, confirm them and delete them and manage lists fine.

However, I have posted to my first "test" list using several accounts
and all the posts come back to me undeliverable, below is a transcript
of returned mail.

I use exim on Debian for an MTA if that helps...

TIA

Tim 

The original message was received at Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:20:29 GMT
from tim at 217-126-24-216.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.24.216]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----

    (reason: 550 Unknown local part test in )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mail.happygecko.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 Unknown local part test in 
550 5.1.1 ... User unknown

________________________________________________________________________
Reporting-MTA: dns; cobalt090.fm.netbenefit.co.uk
Received-From-MTA: DNS; 217-126-24-216.uc.nombres.ttd.es
Arrival-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:20:29 GMT

Final-Recipient: RFC822; test at happygecko.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.happygecko.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Unknown local part test in

Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:20:30 GMT

From jeremyp at pobox.com  Mon Mar 17 23:31:28 2003
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:31:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web mail archive only available to list
 administrator
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 12:14, Jan Banan wrote:
> Is it possible to make the web mail archive only available to list 
> administrator? As what I can see I can only choose between having the mail 
> archive public or private (for subscribers). 
> 
> One of my list administrator want to have a web mail archive only 
> accessible to himself but not for the subscribers (he want them to imagine 
> that what they write won't be archived :-) )
> 
> I'm using Mailman 2.1.1.
> 

I don't think that mailman can do this directly.

However, you could set up a separate list, say "listname-archive" that
exists solely to provide the archive.  Subscribe this one user to
listname-archive, with the nomail option set.  Then subscribe
"listname-archive" to "listname" to get posts sent there.  You may have
to tweak listname's config the "Alias names which qualify as explicit to
or cc destination names" config item.

This way, the one list administrator can see the archive in the
"listname-archive" version of the list, but everyone else thinks the
archive doesn't exist.  Of course make sure the listname-archive list is
hidden from view on the "listinfo" page, and you might name it something
more cryptic if you're really trying to be sneaky.

Obviously there are other possibilities involving external archiving
tools, but the above would let you do this with mailman only.

--Jeremy

-- 
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| Jeremy Portzer       jeremyp at pobox.com       trilug.org/~jeremy     |
| GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F  E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 |
\=====================================================================/

From sumeetp at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 17 23:33:38 2003
From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:33:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] __init__.py line 51 Empty module name
References: 
	<15990.15652.566408.52559@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: 

RedHat 8.0 stock python:
Name        : python                       Relocations: (not relocateable)
Version     : 2.2.1                             Vendor: Red Hat, Inc.
Release     : 17                            Build Date: Fri 30 Aug 2002
09:23:44 AM PDT

I also have and need python-devel 2.2.1 I tried to upgrade just python-devel
to 2.2.2 and mailman stopped sending messages for the duration that it was
the old version. I'll bite and upgrade to the newest available python and
see what is going on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry A. Warsaw" 
To: "Sumeet" 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] __init__.py line 51 Empty module name

>
> >>>>> "S" == Sumeet   writes:
>
>     S> I seem to be getting alot (about 700) of these all of the
>     S> sudden w no changes to my Rhat 8.0/MM2.1.1 and sendmail
>     S> 8.11.6. Can someone please point me in the right
>     S> direction. thx, sumeet.
>
>     S>
"/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py"
>     S> , line 51, in search_function ValueError: Empty module name
>
> What version of Python are you using and did you install it from
> source or from RPM (e.g. it came with RH 8.0 when you installed the
> system)?
>
> If the latter, then the most likely cause is that RH's done it again,
> by splitting the standard Python distro and not including the standard
> encodings package with the basic Python RPM.
>
> You choices are to install all the other Python related RPMs or build
> Python 2.2.2 from source.  It would be nice to know what RPM ends up
> fixing this and what Python packages it adds so that I can add the
> appropriate assertions to Mailman's installation scripts.
>
> -Barry
>

From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Tue Mar 18 00:34:04 2003
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:34:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending restriction/moderation question v. 2.1.1
Message-ID: <000b01c2ecdd$b25b7160$0b7a799f@chris>

I just upgraded to version 2.1.1. I may be missing something, but I have
looked throughout the admin configuration to see where I specify who is
approved to send to the list. In the previous version that I was using, it
was a box under Privacy Options. Now, the closest thing I can find is under
Privacy Options/Sender Rules. It looks like everyone would have to be set to
moderated, then those approved would be set as 'not moderated'. The list I
am referring to is not a true moderated list, but I can't figure out any
other way to limit sending to specific addresses.

Christopher Adams

From dwight at significant.com  Mon Mar 17 20:43:39 2003
From: dwight at significant.com (Dwight Ernest)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:43:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "incorrect padding" from senddigests
Message-ID: <3E76256B.3000507@significant.com>

I just got the first appearance of this error under MM 2.1.1:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
     main()
   File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
     mlist.send_digest_now()
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
     ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in 
send_digests
     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in 
send_i18n_digests
     print >> plainmsg, msg.get_payload(decode=1)
   File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in get_payload
     return Utils._bdecode(payload)
   File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in _bdecode
     value = base64.decodestring(s)
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/base64.py", line 44, in decodestring
     return binascii.a2b_base64(s)
binascii.Error: Incorrect padding

Can anyone help me to debug it? My knowledge of Python is limited; I 
wonder if anyone else has encountered this?

Thanks.

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 18 01:29:49 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Mar 2003 19:29:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman How-Tos Needed
In-Reply-To: <000301c2ec2f$d1d747c0$0201a8c0@dhmaina2k>
References: <000301c2ec2f$d1d747c0$0201a8c0@dhmaina2k>
Message-ID: <1047947395.1690.34.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 21:49, Darren Hood wrote:
> Hello.
>  
> I'm new to Mailman and finally got my lists to work, but need to know
> how to perform certain tasks:
>  
> 1.	Only certain people will be allowed to send messages to the
> list. How can I edit the welcome message that is sent out to new
> subscribers so that posting info is not included?

This is detailed in the archives, but basically you copy the file
~mailman/templates/en/subscribeack.txt over to
~mailman/lists//en/subscribeack.txt

Then edit that file. This new file will be used for your list.

> 
> 2.	In my first test message, an attached text file is included
> containing info about the list.  How can I keep the attachment from
> being sent?
>
Get rid of the footer.

> Thanks.
>  
> DH

HtH - Jon Carnes

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 18 01:40:07 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Mar 2003 19:40:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] load error after install in FreeBSD 5.0
In-Reply-To: <009c01c2ecbf$09bf8410$0d01a8c0@AZNG13>
References: <009c01c2ecbf$09bf8410$0d01a8c0@AZNG13>
Message-ID: <1047948011.1690.44.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

You have some permission problems. You might need to run the
~mailman/bin/check_perms and read the README.BSD that comes with the
installation.

Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 14:54, John Cessor wrote:
> Folks
> I just tried to install mailman on a FreeBSD 5.0 system and when
> attempting to go to the admin page it returns the below error.
> Any idea what I did wrong? The url for the machine is
> http://www.azng.net/mailman/admin
> JohnC
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a
> copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
> description of what happened. Thanks!
> 
> Traceback:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main
>     immediate=1)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py",
> line 52, in __init__
>     Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49,
> in __init__
>     self.__get_f()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67,
> in __get_f
>     1)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open
>     file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------
> 
> Python information:
>       Variable Value
>       sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Jan 3 2003, 07:54:31) [GCC 3.2.1
> [FreeBSD] 20021119 (release)]
>       sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python
>       sys.prefix /usr/local
>       sys.exec_prefix /usr/local
>       sys.path /usr/local
>       sys.platform freebsd5
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------
> 
> Environment variables:
>       Variable Value
>       PYTHONPATH  /usr/local/mailman
>       SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.27 (Unix)
>       SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
>       SERVER_ADMIN  jfcessor at aznetgate.net
>       SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/admin
>       SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.27 Server at asa.azng.net Port
> 80
>       REQUEST_METHOD  GET
>       HTTP_HOST  www.azng.net
>       SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1
>       QUERY_STRING
>       REQUEST_URI  /mailman/admin
>       HTTP_ACCEPT  */*
>       HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows
> NT 5.1)
>       HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive
>       SERVER_NAME  asa.azng.net
>       REMOTE_ADDR  208.187.24.120
>       REMOTE_PORT  3141
>       HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us
>       SERVER_ADDR  208.187.24.124
>       SERVER_PORT  80
>       GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
>       HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate
>       UNIQUE_ID  PnYTAtC7GHwAAAHoA4A
>       DOCUMENT_ROOT  /usr/local/www/data
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com

From jfcessor at aznetgate.net  Tue Mar 18 01:43:37 2003
From: jfcessor at aznetgate.net (John Cessor)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:43:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] load error after install in FreeBSD 5.0
References: <009c01c2ecbf$09bf8410$0d01a8c0@AZNG13>
	<1047948011.1690.44.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <011c01c2ece7$6c6cb7e0$0d01a8c0@AZNG13>

I did run the check_perms but I will back up a few steps and try
this all again.
Thanks
JohnC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" 
To: "John Cessor" 
Cc: "Mailman users Mailing list" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] load error after install in FreeBSD
5.0

> You have some permission problems. You might need to run the
> ~mailman/bin/check_perms and read the README.BSD that comes
with the
> installation.
>
> Jon Carnes
>
> On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 14:54, John Cessor wrote:
> > Folks
> > I just tried to install mailman on a FreeBSD 5.0 system and
when
> > attempting to go to the admin page it returns the below
error.
> > Any idea what I did wrong? The url for the machine is
> > http://www.azng.net/mailman/admin
> > JohnC
> >
> > Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1
> >
> > We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please
email a
> > copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
> > description of what happened. Thanks!
> >
> > Traceback:
> >
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in
run_main
> >     immediate=1)
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py",
> > line 52, in __init__
> >     Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line
49,
> > in __init__
> >     self.__get_f()
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line
67,
> > in __get_f
> >     1)
> >   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in
open
> >     file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
> > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> > '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
--
> > ---------------
> >
> > Python information:
> >       Variable Value
> >       sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Jan 3 2003, 07:54:31) [GCC 3.2.1
> > [FreeBSD] 20021119 (release)]
> >       sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python
> >       sys.prefix /usr/local
> >       sys.exec_prefix /usr/local
> >       sys.path /usr/local
> >       sys.platform freebsd5
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
--
> > ---------------
> >
> > Environment variables:
> >       Variable Value
> >       PYTHONPATH  /usr/local/mailman
> >       SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.27 (Unix)
> >       SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
> >       SERVER_ADMIN  jfcessor at aznetgate.net
> >       SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/admin
> >       SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.27 Server at asa.azng.net
Port
> > 80
> >       REQUEST_METHOD  GET
> >       HTTP_HOST  www.azng.net
> >       SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1
> >       QUERY_STRING
> >       REQUEST_URI  /mailman/admin
> >       HTTP_ACCEPT  */*
> >       HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0;
Windows
> > NT 5.1)
> >       HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive
> >       SERVER_NAME  asa.azng.net
> >       REMOTE_ADDR  208.187.24.120
> >       REMOTE_PORT  3141
> >       HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us
> >       SERVER_ADDR  208.187.24.124
> >       SERVER_PORT  80
> >       GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
> >       HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate
> >       UNIQUE_ID  PnYTAtC7GHwAAAHoA4A
> >       DOCUMENT_ROOT  /usr/local/www/data
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> >
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr
.com
>
>
>
>

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 18 01:45:13 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Mar 2003 19:45:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List posting problems
In-Reply-To: <1047942462.566.5.camel@gecko.happygecko.com>
References: <2DC0E380-58B5-11D7-91F0-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
	<1047942462.566.5.camel@gecko.happygecko.com>
Message-ID: <1047948316.1690.49.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

It's been a long time since I did an Exim install but I think you need
to add the aliases for Mailman.  When you run "~mailman/bin/newlist
" it prints out the aliases that you need to add.

On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 18:07, Tim Roberts wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I managed to install Mailman using the INSTALL for guidance. I can sign
> users up, confirm them and delete them and manage lists fine.
> 
> However, I have posted to my first "test" list using several accounts
> and all the posts come back to me undeliverable, below is a transcript
> of returned mail.
> 
> I use exim on Debian for an MTA if that helps...
> 
> TIA
> 
> Tim 
> 
> 
> The original message was received at Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:20:29 GMT
> from tim at 217-126-24-216.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.24.216]
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> 
>     (reason: 550 Unknown local part test in )
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to mail.happygecko.com.:
> >>> RCPT To:
> <<< 550 Unknown local part test in 
> 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown
> 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Reporting-MTA: dns; cobalt090.fm.netbenefit.co.uk
> Received-From-MTA: DNS; 217-126-24-216.uc.nombres.ttd.es
> Arrival-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:20:29 GMT
> 
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; test at happygecko.com
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.1.1
> Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.happygecko.com
> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Unknown local part test in
> 
> Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:20:30 GMT
> 
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From julian at jlbprof.com  Tue Mar 18 03:30:14 2003
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:30:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header added to mail sent to regular list members 
Message-ID: 

Hi

There are a bunch of options that that you can put into this header, such as
real_name and list_name and others.

I noticed that the email address is not listed.

Esteemed GDG member Contributes: email_address

Is what we would like to put there.  Is there an undocumented feature that
would allow us to do this?

Thanx

Julian Brown

From barry at python.org  Tue Mar 18 03:51:25 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:51:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "incorrect padding" from senddigests
References: <3E76256B.3000507@significant.com>
Message-ID: <15990.35245.800751.647430@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

>>>>> "DE" == Dwight Ernest  writes:

    DE> binascii.Error: Incorrect padding

I believe this is fixed in cvs and will be part of Mailman 2.1.2.  No
definite ETA on that yet though.

-Barry

From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Tue Mar 18 07:36:55 2003
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 06:36:55 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup an announce list
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030318063539.030cc980@server01>

Look here:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=announce&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search

cheers

Brian

At 17:05 17/03/2003, Jan Banan wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'm trying to setup an announce list on which only a few people should be
>able to post, but I can't find a good way to do it. I see only a suitable
>option "general - emergency", but I think that is not the one I should
>use...
>
>Can anybody point me right please?
>
>        Best regards / Jan
>
>
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From guettli at thomas-guettler.de  Tue Mar 18 08:09:07 2003
From: guettli at thomas-guettler.de (Thomas Guettler)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:09:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Messages from Queue
Message-ID: <20030318070907.GC853@thomas-guettler.de>

Hi!

There is a email in my queue which has a not existing mailserver in
the recipient address. I deleted the user from the list, but there are
still some mails in the queue. There is a message every ten seconds in
smtp-failures, that the mail can't be sent.

How can I delete this message from the queue, or even better, how can
I delete only this recipient, without deleting the whole message?

I use mailman 2.0.11

 thomas

-- 
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http://www.thomas-guettler.de

From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Tue Mar 18 10:50:23 2003
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 18 Mar 2003 09:50:23 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List posting problems
In-Reply-To: <1047948316.1690.49.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
References: <2DC0E380-58B5-11D7-91F0-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
	 <1047942462.566.5.camel@gecko.happygecko.com>
	 <1047948316.1690.49.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1047981022.10887.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 00:45, Jon Carnes wrote:
> It's been a long time since I did an Exim install but I think you need
> to add the aliases for Mailman.  When you run "~mailman/bin/newlist
> " it prints out the aliases that you need to add.

You can do things this way (you need to make sure your UID/GID settings
for the alias director/router are correct though).

Easier to use the other method which is documented in the README.EXIM
file

	Nigel.
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From coen at coachcoen.com  Tue Mar 18 11:03:05 2003
From: coen at coachcoen.com (Coen de Groot)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:03:05 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Paid membership?
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I will be charging a membership fee for a Mailman list I run

Is anyone already doing this, or do you know of an existing
module/modification I can use?

I know I can code this myself, but it would be nice to save some time :-)

I have already searched the archives, with limited results

Thanks

Coen

From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Mar 18 13:31:11 2003
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 18 Mar 2003 13:31:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] delete list that have space
In-Reply-To: mr_zali's message of "Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:06:24 +0800"
References: <3E71B7B0.8000305@mimos.my>
Message-ID: 

mr_zali  writes:

> I create a list named free software.

:-)

> But how i want to delete the list. Using 'rmlist' command still
> no effect. I'm using Mailman-2.0.12.

Try

rmlist "free software"

or

rmlist free\ software

Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Detlef Neubauer
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 18 16:31:32 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 18 Mar 2003 10:31:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Messages from Queue
In-Reply-To: <20030318070907.GC853@thomas-guettler.de>
References: <20030318070907.GC853@thomas-guettler.de>
Message-ID: <1048001497.2349.0.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

You should upgrade to version 2.0.13

On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 02:09, Thomas Guettler wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> There is a email in my queue which has a not existing mailserver in
> the recipient address. I deleted the user from the list, but there are
> still some mails in the queue. There is a message every ten seconds in
> smtp-failures, that the mail can't be sent.
> 
> How can I delete this message from the queue, or even better, how can
> I delete only this recipient, without deleting the whole message?
> 
> I use mailman 2.0.11
> 
>  thomas
> 

From sanderson at ecalton.com  Tue Mar 18 17:02:58 2003
From: sanderson at ecalton.com (Shannon M. Anderson)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:02:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
	/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation notpermitted)
Message-ID: <166089B82A247D43837617D3C11B32F0688215@ec-mail.ecalton.com>

Hey group-

I am in the process of seting up a new mailman server on RH 8.0 using postfix as the MTA.  This is the first time I have used postfix and the aliasdb.
After i configured mailman and completed the installs I tried to add a list via the web-admin and received a error -->

RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) 

I assume this is a permissions problem with mailman tring to run postalias? (but am not sure) Has anyone ran across this and if so how did you get around it.

Shannon Anderson
eCalton Inc.
Sr. Systems Engineer
sanderson at ecalton.com
Vero Beach, Florida

From Boris.Hirschmann at fh-koeln.de  Tue Mar 18 17:00:38 2003
From: Boris.Hirschmann at fh-koeln.de (Boris Hirschmann)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:00:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] external MTA Solutions?
Message-ID: <002301c2ed67$87dc2080$3d8a068b@thetis>

Hello,

I am a newbie in sendmail configuration. 
My problem is to use an excisting MTA-Server and 
a second one for mailman. how should this be made?
Are there solutions for the different mailinglist-names, 
that are more comfortable, then updating them on both mashines
by hand. And is there a posibility to do this (ext. MTA and Mailman)?

Thanks for help

Yours

Boris

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue Mar 18 17:10:21 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:10:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
	/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation notpermitted)
In-Reply-To: <166089B82A247D43837617D3C11B32F0688215@ec-mail.ecalton.com>
References: <166089B82A247D43837617D3C11B32F0688215@ec-mail.ecalton.com>
Message-ID: <20030318161021.GG30323@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Shannon M. Anderson wrote:
> I am in the process of seting up a new mailman server on RH 8.0 using
> postfix as the MTA.  This is the first time I have used postfix and the
> aliasdb.
> After i configured mailman and completed the installs I tried to add a
> list via the web-admin and received a error -->
>
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) 
>
> I assume this is a permissions problem with mailman tring to run
> postalias? (but am not sure) Has anyone ran across this and if so how did
> you get around it.

It is likely a permissions problem.  Check your perms on
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases and aliases.db.  Mine look like this:

$ ls -l aliases*
- -rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      5.6k Mar 13 14:03 aliases
- -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman       12k Mar 13 14:03 aliases.db

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
When you define liberty for someone else, it's no longer liberty. It's
permission.
    -- R.L. Root

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From sanderson at ecalton.com  Tue Mar 18 17:30:31 2003
From: sanderson at ecalton.com (Shannon M. Anderson)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:30:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
Message-ID: <166089B82A247D43837617D3C11B32F0688216@ec-mail.ecalton.com>

That was my first thought, I even went as far as making the perms on thoses file a little lighter for testing.

-rw-rw-rw-    1 mailman  mailman      1176 Mar 18 11:07 aliases
-rw-rw-rw-    1 mailman  mailman     12288 Mar 18 10:48 aliases.db

incase it was using a username or group not specified during configuration.

I have noticed that the list was created and that it does show up in the aliases file.

# This file is generated by Mailman, and is kept in sync with the
# binary hash file aliases.db.  YOU SHOULD NOT MANUALLY EDIT THIS FILE
# unless you know what you're doing, and can keep the two files properly
# in sync.  If you screw it up, you're on your own.

# The ultimate loop stopper address
mailman-loop: /usr/local/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox

# STANZA START: testlist
# CREATED: Tue Mar 18 11:07:01 2003
testlist:             "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"
testlist-admin:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin testlist"
testlist-bounces:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces testlist"
testlist-confirm:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm testlist"
testlist-join:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join testlist"
testlist-leave:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave testlist"
testlist-owner:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner testlist"
testlist-request:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request testlist"
testlist-subscribe:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe testlist"
testlist-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe testlist"
# STANZA END: testlist

So should i consider this a problem or was there a step that did not complete during list addition of list?

I did not receive the confermation e-mail that the list was created.

From cbarnett at uff.ufl.edu  Tue Mar 18 17:27:56 2003
From: cbarnett at uff.ufl.edu (Chris Barnett)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:27:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message stuck in a loop & is the main website down?
Message-ID: <4A43DA4ABF54F1498A66B6DE6D6D1005070DF9@uff-yoda.uff.ufl.edu>

Yesterday afternoon I was sending a message out to one of our lists
(60,000+ recips).  It seemed to go out fine and the logs looked totally
clean.

However I noticed that I got no bounce info or any replies back to the
admin account which I thought was odd.  About 90  minutes later I tried
sending to another list and it never even showed up in the admin queue.
Then I tried a couple of my test lists which sends directly to several
accounts I have on various mail services and it never went through.

The processor wasn't doing anything significant so I figured python was
tied up sending the original message and that my other stuff would show
up later.  Well, we're going on 18 hours.  Nothing else has shown up, no
other list traffic is going through and it's almost like mailman has
stopped processing on all incoming messages.

The kicker is that my original message has now gone out 3 times.  This
is obviously not acceptable, particularly for the recipients.  In the
meantime, I've deleted all the qfiles (after backing them up), shutdown
sendmail, and have started the remove_members job so that if the
system's still in a loop at least it won't have any members to send to.

Is there something else I can do or anywhere I can look for more clues?
The other traffic is minor, but sending duplicates to this number of
people is a big problem for me.

I tried to search the archives and it appears as though www.list.org is
down or unreachable from here.  Doesn't even show up in nslookups.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, I'm running Mailman 2.0.8 on RedHat 7.2. 

Chris

Chris Barnett
Web Administrator
University of Florida Alumni Association
University of Florida Foundation, Inc.
Office Phone: (352) 392-9535

From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Tue Mar 18 17:38:11 2003
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:38:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending restriction/moderation question v. 2.1.1
References: <000b01c2ecdd$b25b7160$0b7a799f@chris>
	<3E773EFE.6060707@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <001001c2ed6c$c3a6bad0$0b7a799f@chris>

In all my list experience, "moderated" has meant just that. If a list owner
wants to review every message sent to the list, the list is set up as
moderated. In the new version of Mailman, the former brain-dead way of
setting up a list that is restricted to specific addresses for sending is
now a convoluted process, only documented in the FAQ, and requires a list
owner to go through way too many steps. Not only that, but it refers to
'moderation', which even I, as an experienced administrator had to check
several times before I was sure I had found the correct configuration.

I am still trying to figure out why  the developers made this such a
confusing process. Upgrading to the  new version also didn't carry all the
restricted list permissions and now I have to educate list owners about how
to configure their lists to only allow specific people to post. Some of
these people already have a problem with the basics and now this.

If anyone still hasn't figured this process out and needs assistance, I have
been through the ringer.

Christopher Adams
Library Systems Analyst
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us
----- Original Message -----
From: "John DeCarlo" 
To: "Christopher Adams" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] sending restriction/moderation question v.
2.1.1

> Christopher,
>
> Why do you say your list is "not a true moderated list" when you
> restrict who can send to the list?  That is the definition of a
> moderated list.  At least AFAIK.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Christopher Adams wrote:
> > I just upgraded to version 2.1.1. I may be missing something, but I have
> > looked throughout the admin configuration to see where I specify who is
> > approved to send to the list. In the previous version that I was using,
it
> > was a box under Privacy Options. Now, the closest thing I can find is
under
> > Privacy Options/Sender Rules. It looks like everyone would have to be
set to
> > moderated, then those approved would be set as 'not moderated'. The list
I
> > am referring to is not a true moderated list, but I can't figure out any
> > other way to limit sending to specific addresses.
>
> --
>
> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
>

From sanderson at ecalton.com  Tue Mar 18 18:06:41 2003
From: sanderson at ecalton.com (Shannon M. Anderson)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:06:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More on aliases errors
Message-ID: <166089B82A247D43837617D3C11B32F0688217@ec-mail.ecalton.com>

Here is a snipplet of my maillog, it seems as part of the first failure has left the aliases files unusable and it can not find list.

(orignial error)
(RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted))

(Log error when a message is sent to list)
Mar 18 11:29:56 ec-mailman postfix/local[941]: warning: database /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.db is older than source file /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases

Mar 18 11:29:56 ec-mailman postfix/local[941]: 730498FD12: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user: "testlist")
Mar 18 11:29:56 ec-mailman postfix/cleanup[939]: B2FF68FD13: message-id=<20030318162956.B2FF68FD13 at ec-mailman.ecalton.com>

I also get this when it sent mail out to our main mail server,  Our mail server does not like Null senders (from=<>) is there a file I can edit to make a default senders address?

Mar 18 11:29:56 ec-mailman postfix/nqmgr[792]: B2FF68FD13: from=<>, size=2432, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Mar 18 11:29:57 ec-mailman postfix/smtp[943]: B2FF68FD13: to=, relay=pop.ecalton.com[63.240.232.14], delay=1, status=bounced (host pop.ecalton.com[63.240.232.14] said: 501 bogus mail from)

From sanderson at ecalton.com  Tue Mar 18 18:56:19 2003
From: sanderson at ecalton.com (Shannon M. Anderson)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:56:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All problems have been solved Thanks....
Message-ID: <166089B82A247D43837617D3C11B32F07D6983@ec-mail.ecalton.com>

All-

I have repaired the earlier problems and are now well on my way to peace with this system.

Thanks

A note to all,  If you have problems it is best practice to RTFM twice as usually the answers hide them selves out in plain view.

Shannon Anderson

From erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at  Tue Mar 18 19:45:58 2003
From: erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at (Erich Neuwirth)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:45:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade problem
Message-ID: <3E776966.3010109@univie.ac.at>

i have the following problem:

i had to move the lists of a 2.05 installations to another
machine, running 2.0.13
it worked.
i did bin/move_list
and i changed the hoem site in the admin interface,
then the lists were working again.

not i tried to upgrade to 2.1.1
and that does not work.
config.pck
still contains references to the old machine,
and i do not know hot top change that to the new machine.
bin/config_list -i newurl list
with newurl containing
web_page_url = 'http://my.new.site/'

did not solve the problem.
config.pcs still contains references to the old web site,
soem pages in the web admin interface show the old url,
and there is no way of changing this.

what do i need to do?

i could not find detailed documentation.

From jan.kellermann at werk21.de  Tue Mar 18 20:11:49 2003
From: jan.kellermann at werk21.de (Jan Kellermann)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:11:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	blank line in header detroys mail-header (cvs-version)
Message-ID: <006001c2ed82$3a985b70$0501a8c0@marx>

hi folks, hi barry,

since updating to the cvs-version, a blank line is inserted into some
headers, but only in a few lists.
please see the attached mails. the effect is that the last lines of the
header are shown in the mailclient.

It seems to correspondate with the length of the listname and indirect with
the line-length in the header.
the lists worked correctly before updating.
any ideas?

greetings
kelly.

From odd at unforgettable.com  Tue Mar 18 21:23:35 2003
From: odd at unforgettable.com (odd at unforgettable.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:23:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MIME in the archive
Message-ID: <20030318202335.84309.qmail@iname.com>

Hello ...

I want to know if it is possible to se the actual attachments in the archive ... 

For example ... when i attach a picture to the mail, I want to be able to download it from the archive or even better , I could see it on the archive page ... Is this possible ?

Now I just see some useles ASCII text ...
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From rsr at inorganic.org  Tue Mar 18 21:22:13 2003
From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy S. Rapoport)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:22:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List not Visible
Message-ID: 

This feels like some sort of domain/host name issue.

I've got a host (inorganic.org, AKA fold.inorganic.org, AKA
lists.inorganic.org).  I'm attempting to localize mailman web/mail interfacing
to lists.inorganic.org.

mm_cfg.py contains:
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'lists.inorganic.org'
DEFAULT_URL       = 'http://lists.inorganic.org/mailman'

Adding a list seems to work -- all the files are there -- but mail to the list
using mm_handler bounces, and both listinfo and admin pages claim the list
isn't there.

What am I missing?

-roy

From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Mar 18 21:32:53 2003
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:32:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MIME in the archive 
In-Reply-To: Message from odd@unforgettable.com 
   of "Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:23:35 EST." <20030318202335.84309.qmail@iname.com> 
References: <20030318202335.84309.qmail@iname.com> 
Message-ID: <29093.1048019573@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:23:35 -0500 
odd   wrote:

> Hello ...  I want to know if it is possible to se the actual
> attachments in the archive ...

See the FAQ:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

From kyle.banerjee at state.or.us  Tue Mar 18 21:42:22 2003
From: kyle.banerjee at state.or.us (Kyle Banerjee)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:42:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] creating lists from web interface
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030318122719.0211e4c0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>

         We just installed version 2.1.1 and I can't figure out how to make 
the web interface for creating new lists fully functional. The list gets 
created just fine, but the aliases are not. As a result, any message sent 
to the list (or the -owner, -request, etc addresses) gets a "User unknown 
in local recipient" error.

         Our postfix installation does not have an alias map to any files 
in the mailman hierarchy, but I also didn't notice any files in the mailman 
hierarchy that I could map to

         We can create lists from the command line just fine, but we'd like 
to make the web interface work so that we can allow people to create lists 
without giving shell access at the same time or writing some kludge script 
to modify aliases and run newaliases. What do I need to do to make this 
happen? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

kyle

***********************************************
Kyle Banerjee
Oregon State Library
250 Winter ST
Salem, OR 97301-3950
(503)378-4243 ext. 260
kyle.banerjee at state.or.us

From rsr at inorganic.org  Tue Mar 18 21:59:29 2003
From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy S. Rapoport)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:59:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] creating lists from web interface
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030318122719.0211e4c0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>
Message-ID: 

On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Kyle Banerjee wrote:
>          We can create lists from the command line just fine, but we'd like
> to make the web interface work so that we can allow people to create lists
> without giving shell access at the same time or writing some kludge script
> to modify aliases and run newaliases. What do I need to do to make this
> happen? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Check out the README.SENDMAIL file in the dist; especially the "INTEGRATING
SENDMAIL AND MAILMAN" part.  This works for me like a champ.

-roy

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue Mar 18 22:26:46 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:26:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] creating lists from web interface
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030318122719.0211e4c0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030318122719.0211e4c0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <20030318212646.GQ30323@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Kyle Banerjee wrote:
>         We just installed version 2.1.1 and I can't figure out how to make 
> the web interface for creating new lists fully functional. The list gets 
> created just fine, but the aliases are not. As a result, any message sent 
> to the list (or the -owner, -request, etc addresses) gets a "User unknown 
> in local recipient" error.
>
>         Our postfix installation does not have an alias map to any files 
> in the mailman hierarchy, but I also didn't notice any files in the mailman 
> hierarchy that I could map to

Check out README.POSTFIX.  It covers what you need to make this work.  I've
got several mailman installs doing this and it works quite well.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather
straps.
    -- Emo Phillips

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From kyle.banerjee at state.or.us  Tue Mar 18 23:53:12 2003
From: kyle.banerjee at state.or.us (Kyle Banerjee)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:53:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] creating lists from web interface
In-Reply-To: <3E7785BC.6070109@mitre.org>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030318122719.0211e4c0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>
 <5.2.0.9.2.20030318122719.0211e4c0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030318141857.0218a4c0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>

>Others will answer more fully, but did you do everything in the 
>README.POSTFIX file?  There is a section titled INTEGRATING POSTFIX AND 
>MAILMAN that is very important.

         I deserve a dope slap for not checking this section out more 
carefully. It was very helpful, but it didn't get me out of the woods.  Now 
I get the error:

Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "nobody",
     but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "mailman".
     Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "nobody", or 
re-run
     configure,  providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailman'.

         The funny thing is that I thought our mail server was already 
running the script as nobody so I'm not quite sure what I should do..

         I tried changing the group ownership of the mail/mailman script to 
nobody to make it run under the expected GID, but this simply hosed 
everything. Configuring mailman with-mail-gid=mailman resulted in the same 
problems that you get when you specify the wrong gid with that parameter.

         I feel like I'm missing something obvious and stupid, but I just 
can't see what it is.

kyle

>Thanks.
>
>Kyle Banerjee wrote:
>>         We just installed version 2.1.1 and I can't figure out how to 
>> make the web interface for creating new lists fully functional. The list 
>> gets created just fine, but the aliases are not. As a result, any 
>> message sent to the list (or the -owner, -request, etc addresses) gets a 
>> "User unknown in local recipient" error.
>>         Our postfix installation does not have an alias map to any files 
>> in the mailman hierarchy, but I also didn't notice any files in the 
>> mailman hierarchy that I could map to
>>         We can create lists from the command line just fine, but we'd 
>> like to make the web interface work so that we can allow people to 
>> create lists without giving shell access at the same time or writing 
>> some kludge script to modify aliases and run newaliases. What do I need 
>> to do to make this happen? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>kyle
>>
>>***********************************************
>>Kyle Banerjee
>>Oregon State Library
>>250 Winter ST
>>Salem, OR 97301-3950
>>(503)378-4243 ext. 260
>>kyle.banerjee at state.or.us
>
>--
>
>John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

***********************************************
Kyle Banerjee
Oregon State Library
250 Winter ST
Salem, OR 97301-3950
(503)378-4243 ext. 260
kyle.banerjee at state.or.us

From news at bronson.de  Wed Mar 19 01:10:12 2003
From: news at bronson.de (Nik Engel)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:10:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multipe domains
Message-ID: <20030319001012.GU1680@slums.de>

Hello ! 
How can I configure mailman to create lists for multiple domains: 
test.de test2.de ? 
Is it possible ? Nevertheless I want all Lists displayed on the main
listinfo page. Is this possible ? 

Nik 
-- 
Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying
of nothing.
		-- Redd Foxx

From kyle.banerjee at state.or.us  Wed Mar 19 01:48:39 2003
From: kyle.banerjee at state.or.us (Kyle Banerjee)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:48:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	Re: creating lists from web interface problem solved
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030318141857.0218a4c0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030318122719.0211e4c0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>
 <5.2.0.9.2.20030318122719.0211e4c0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>
 <5.2.0.9.2.20030318122719.0211e4c0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>
 <5.2.0.9.2.20030318122719.0211e4c0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030318164640.03954398@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>

         I was messing around with the wrong files. Simply changing the 
ownership of data/aliases and data/aliases.db fixed everything.

kyle

At 02:53 PM 3/18/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>>Others will answer more fully, but did you do everything in the 
>>README.POSTFIX file?  There is a section titled INTEGRATING POSTFIX AND 
>>MAILMAN that is very important.
>
>         I deserve a dope slap for not checking this section out more 
> carefully. It was very helpful, but it didn't get me out of the 
> woods.  Now I get the error:
>
>Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "nobody",
>     but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "mailman".
>     Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "nobody", or 
> re-run
>     configure,  providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailman'.
>
>         The funny thing is that I thought our mail server was already 
> running the script as nobody so I'm not quite sure what I should do..
>
>         I tried changing the group ownership of the mail/mailman script 
> to nobody to make it run under the expected GID, but this simply hosed 
> everything. Configuring mailman with-mail-gid=mailman resulted in the 
> same problems that you get when you specify the wrong gid with that parameter.
>
>         I feel like I'm missing something obvious and stupid, but I just 
> can't see what it is.
>
>kyle
>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Kyle Banerjee wrote:
>>>         We just installed version 2.1.1 and I can't figure out how to 
>>> make the web interface for creating new lists fully functional. The 
>>> list gets created just fine, but the aliases are not. As a result, any 
>>> message sent to the list (or the -owner, -request, etc addresses) gets 
>>> a "User unknown in local recipient" error.
>>>         Our postfix installation does not have an alias map to any 
>>> files in the mailman hierarchy, but I also didn't notice any files in 
>>> the mailman hierarchy that I could map to
>>>         We can create lists from the command line just fine, but we'd 
>>> like to make the web interface work so that we can allow people to 
>>> create lists without giving shell access at the same time or writing 
>>> some kludge script to modify aliases and run newaliases. What do I need 
>>> to do to make this happen? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>kyle
>>>
>>>***********************************************
>>>Kyle Banerjee
>>>Oregon State Library
>>>250 Winter ST
>>>Salem, OR 97301-3950
>>>(503)378-4243 ext. 260
>>>kyle.banerjee at state.or.us
>>
>>--
>>
>>John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
>
>***********************************************
>Kyle Banerjee
>Oregon State Library
>250 Winter ST
>Salem, OR 97301-3950
>(503)378-4243 ext. 260
>kyle.banerjee at state.or.us
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>This message was sent to: kyle.banerjee at state.or.us
>Unsubscribe or change your options at
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kyle.banerjee%40state.or.us

***********************************************
Kyle Banerjee
Oregon State Library
250 Winter ST
Salem, OR 97301-3950
(503)378-4243 ext. 260
kyle.banerjee at state.or.us

From matt at minahangroup.com  Wed Mar 19 02:29:15 2003
From: matt at minahangroup.com (Matt Minahan)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:29:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030318202857.02967ed8@mail.speakeasy.net>

Dear Postal People,

         We're using Mailman 2.1.1.  When our users send a message that 
gets trapped by the content filter, they get a message from Mailman that says:

"The message's content type was not explicitly allowed,"  which doesn't 
really give them helpful information about what's wrong or what to do to 
fix it.

         Is this message editable, and if so, can anyone tell me the name 
of the data file?

         Thanks in advance.  Matt

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
                 Matt Minahan, Ed.D

Organization Strategy,  Design, and  Development
http://www.minahangroup.com   Ph:  301-625-0101
email:matt at minahangroup.com   Fx:  301-625-0202

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ 

From matt at minahangroup.com  Wed Mar 19 02:30:26 2003
From: matt at minahangroup.com (Matt Minahan)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:30:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Reject Messages?
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030318202925.02989ea0@mail.speakeasy.net>

Dear Postal People,

         We're using Mailman 2.1.1.  When our users send a message that 
gets trapped by the content filter, they get a message from Mailman that says:

"The message's content type was not explicitly allowed,"  which doesn't 
really give them helpful information about what's wrong or what to do to 
fix it.

         Is this message editable, and if so, can anyone tell me the name 
of the data file?

         Thanks in advance.  Matt

(sorry if this is a duplicate message)

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
                 Matt Minahan, Ed.D

Organization Strategy,  Design, and  Development
http://www.minahangroup.com   Ph:  301-625-0101
email:matt at minahangroup.com   Fx:  301-625-0202

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ 

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Mar 19 03:13:53 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:13:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Reject Messages?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030318202925.02989ea0@mail.speakeasy.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030318202925.02989ea0@mail.speakeasy.net>
Message-ID: <20030319021353.GW30323@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Matt Minahan wrote:
> We're using Mailman 2.1.1.  When our users send a message that gets
> trapped by the content filter, they get a message from Mailman that says:
>
> "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed,"  which doesn't
> really give them helpful information about what's wrong or what to do to
> fix it.
>
> Is this message editable

Mailman is open-source software, everything is editable. ;-)

> and if so, can anyone tell me the name of the data file?

The grep command is your friend.  The text you seek is in:

    ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/MimeDel.py

If you use languages other than English, you'll also want to edit the
translation files in ~mailman/messages//LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po

HTH,

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
Suppose I were a member of Congress, and suppose I were an idiot. But, I
repeat myself.
    -- Mark Twain

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From khera at kcilink.com  Wed Mar 19 03:40:48 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:40:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
In-Reply-To: <166089B82A247D43837617D3C11B32F0688216@ec-mail.ecalton.com>
References: <166089B82A247D43837617D3C11B32F0688216@ec-mail.ecalton.com>
Message-ID: <15991.55472.452412.65276@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "SMA" == Shannon M Anderson  writes:

SMA> That was my first thought, I even went as far as making the perms on thoses file a little lighter for testing.

SMA> -rw-rw-rw-    1 mailman  mailman      1176 Mar 18 11:07 aliases
SMA> -rw-rw-rw-    1 mailman  mailman     12288 Mar 18 10:48 aliases.db

yes, but what are the perms on the directory?

From sue at sue-lewis.co.uk  Wed Mar 19 09:37:13 2003
From: sue at sue-lewis.co.uk (Sue Lewis)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:37:13 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File attachments?
Message-ID: <001901c2edf2$be134e40$0100a8c0@sue>

Hi there

An organisation that I work with has a couple of MailMan mailing lists which
I help to look after.  We were wondering if it is possible to send file
attachments to subscribers on our mailing lists?

If so could you point me in the right direction to find out how to do this
and also what format attachments should be in.

Thanks very much.
Regards
Sue

***  ***  ***
>From - Sue Lewis
Home email sue at sue-lewis.co.uk
Work email s.lewis at ruralnet.org.uk

From primoz at gabrijelcic.org  Wed Mar 19 10:09:06 2003
From: primoz at gabrijelcic.org (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Primo=BE_Gabrijel=E8i=E8?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:09:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug report
Message-ID: <00c101c2edf7$31bde9f0$01000063@angie>

I hope this is the correct list - I cannot find an explicit e-mail address
to send crash logs to anywhere.

Best regards,
Primoz

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 222, in ?
    run_main()
  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
    print_traceback(logger)
  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 119, in print_traceback
    print >> logfp, '@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@'
  File
"/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local
/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write
    Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg))
  File
"/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local
/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 88, in write
    msg = unicode(msg, self.__encoding)
SystemError: can't resize shared unicode objects

Python information:
Variable
Value
sys.version
2.2.1 (#1, Mar 15 2003, 06:20:27) [GCC 2.95.3 20010125 (prerelease,
propolice)] 
sys.executable
/usr/local/bin/python2.2 
sys.prefix
/usr/local 
sys.exec_prefix
/usr/local 
sys.path
/usr/local 
sys.platform
openbsd3 

Environment variables:
Variable
Value
HTTP_ACCEPT 
text/html, image/png, image/jpeg, image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, */*;q=0.1 
CONTENT_TYPE 
application/x-www-form-urlencoded 
HTTP_REFERER 
http://gabrijelcic.org:2864/mailman/admindb/forum_prevajalcev 
SERVER_SOFTWARE 
Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_fastcgi/2.4.0 mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7-beta3 
PYTHONPATH 
/usr/local/lib/mailman 
SCRIPT_FILENAME 
/usr/local/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb 
SERVER_ADMIN 
webmaster at gabrijelcic.org 
SCRIPT_NAME 
/mailman/admindb 
SERVER_SIGNATURE 
Apache/1.3.27 Server at gabrijelcic.org Port 2864

REQUEST_METHOD 
POST 
HTTP_HOST 
gabrijelcic.org:2864 
PATH_INFO 
/forum_prevajalcev 
SERVER_PROTOCOL 
HTTP/1.0 
QUERY_STRING 

HTTP_COOKIE2 
$Version=1 
REQUEST_URI 
/mailman/admindb/forum_prevajalcev 
CONTENT_LENGTH 
379 
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 
windows-1252, utf-8, utf-16, iso-8859-1;q=0.6, *;q=0.1 
HTTP_USER_AGENT 
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0) Opera 7.01 [en]

HTTP_CONNECTION 
close 
HTTP_COOKIE 
forum_prevajalcev:admin=2802000000698996713e73280000003832386463316530326134
3930623833643136656364613737373137303239326363336332373331;
forum_prevajalcev+admin=280200000069bb35743e73280000003033303337323837333366
3136663235653935613061653861643964336137323462653965646236;
snopic+admin=2802000000699867743e7328000000633536366538646562336161663237623
33633313731653735363133626133363364323830363438 
SERVER_NAME 
gabrijelcic.org 
REMOTE_ADDR 
99.0.0.4 
REMOTE_PORT 
4086 
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 
en 
PATH_TRANSLATED 
/var/www/htdocs/forum_prevajalcev 
SERVER_PORT 
2864 
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
CGI/1.1 
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 
gzip, deflate 
SERVER_ADDR 
193.77.149.219 
DOCUMENT_ROOT 
/var/www/htdocs 

From sumeet at vmware.com  Wed Mar 19 11:03:00 2003
From: sumeet at vmware.com (sumeet)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 02:03:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] __init__.py line 51 Empty module name
Message-ID: 

I went to Python 2.2.2 and got the same errors. I think the thing to note is
that i did patch my MailMan w/ the Scrubber.py patch from Tokio Kikuchi.
The header problem was getting to be too much. But i did not do this
recently and the problem just appeared. any other suggestions? thanks.
sumeet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sumeet" 
To: "Barry A. Warsaw" 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] __init__.py line 51 Empty module name

> RedHat 8.0 stock python:
> Name        : python                       Relocations: (not relocateable)
> Version     : 2.2.1                             Vendor: Red Hat, Inc.
> Release     : 17                            Build Date: Fri 30 Aug 2002
> 09:23:44 AM PDT
>
> I also have and need python-devel 2.2.1 I tried to upgrade just
python-devel
> to 2.2.2 and mailman stopped sending messages for the duration that it was
> the old version. I'll bite and upgrade to the newest available python and
> see what is going on.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry A. Warsaw" 
> To: "Sumeet" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] __init__.py line 51 Empty module name
>
>
> >
> > >>>>> "S" == Sumeet   writes:
> >
> >     S> I seem to be getting alot (about 700) of these all of the
> >     S> sudden w no changes to my Rhat 8.0/MM2.1.1 and sendmail
> >     S> 8.11.6. Can someone please point me in the right
> >     S> direction. thx, sumeet.
> >
> >     S>
>
"/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py"
> >     S> , line 51, in search_function ValueError: Empty module name
> >
> > What version of Python are you using and did you install it from
> > source or from RPM (e.g. it came with RH 8.0 when you installed the
> > system)?
> >
> > If the latter, then the most likely cause is that RH's done it again,
> > by splitting the standard Python distro and not including the standard
> > encodings package with the basic Python RPM.
> >
> > You choices are to install all the other Python related RPMs or build
> > Python 2.2.2 from source.  It would be nice to know what RPM ends up
> > fixing this and what Python packages it adds so that I can add the
> > appropriate assertions to Mailman's installation scripts.
> >
> > -Barry
> >
>

From N.Cass at Hull.ac.uk  Wed Mar 19 11:17:50 2003
From: N.Cass at Hull.ac.uk (Nigel Cass)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:17:50 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEW Problems with customising welcome messages etc.
Message-ID: <000901c2ee00$cbccc300$70aaed96@UNIVERSIU2QPW8>

Hello all.

My apologies for raising a subject that does seem to have been done to death
a little on the list (from my look through the archives) but I am
encountering some problems with customising welcome messages for lists at my
site.

We're using mailman 2.1 and have tested copying subscribeack.txt from
$prefix/templates/en to $prefix/lists//en - this works as
expected in that the welcome message is changed to the one that we have put
in place.

HOWEVER if the list administrator has put some text into the box in the
general options (welcome_msg) to be prepended to the welcome message it
never gets prepended.

I am doing the tests by subscribing users from the mass subscription page
but I presume this should have absolutely no bearing on the result. If on
this page we add some text to the second box (prepend the
subscriptions/invites) this appears before the custom welcome message.

This is a real problem for us as most our list admins want their own welcome
text and want to be able to change it through the web interface. So the best
solution for us is to override subscribeack.txt on a per list basis with an
empty (or practically empty) file and let the admins have full control over
the message by editing the prepend text.

Any ideas ?

Nigel Cass.

From news at bronson.de  Wed Mar 19 15:52:59 2003
From: news at bronson.de (Nik Engel)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:52:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multipe domains
In-Reply-To: <20030319001012.GU1680@slums.de>
References: <20030319001012.GU1680@slums.de>
Message-ID: <20030319145259.GA11757@slums.de>

* Nik Engel  [030319 01:12]: 

> Hello ! 
> How can I configure mailman to create lists for multiple domains: 
> test.de test2.de ? 
> Is it possible ? Nevertheless I want all Lists displayed on the main
> listinfo page. Is this possible ? 
Soory the post was maybe not detailed enough. 
I read through all FAQ I could find, but there was no instruction to
set up mutliple domains with mailman. 
My problem is not postfix but the mailman config. 
I am using the debian package. When I type in newlist there is no
possibility to choos or specify the domain. 
Anyway I want to have someting like: 
all at test.de and another list 
all at notest.de !!!! 
This actually has to be possible, doesn't it ???? 

Maybe anyone can give me a hint where to search ! 

Thankx Nik 

From steveb at webpaving.com  Wed Mar 19 16:51:08 2003
From: steveb at webpaving.com (Steven Bonisteel)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:51:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multipe domains
In-Reply-To: <20030319145259.GA11757@slums.de>
References: <20030319001012.GU1680@slums.de>
 <20030319001012.GU1680@slums.de>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030319103011.00b0e4b0@127.0.0.1>

At 03:52 PM 3/19/2003 +0100, ne at slums.de wrote:

>Anyway I want to have someting like:
>all at test.de and another list
>all at notest.de !!!!
>Maybe anyone can give me a hint where to search !

There are many posts in the archives 
 providing 
examples of VIRTUAL_HOSTS in "mm_cfg.py" for manually specifying 
virtual mail and Web hosts (if different).

One example that works for us:

##########
VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'lists.test.de':'test.de',
                  'lists.notest.de':'notest.de'}
VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 1
##########

If you mirror that Web host info (the second argument on each line) 
in your HTTPD config, then going to:

   http://test.de/mailman/create

or

   http://notest.de/mailman/create

... could begin new lists on separate virtual domains (assuming you 
set up Web-server CGI alias that way.)

Finally, you will have to configure your SMTP server to process mail 
for those virtual domains.

In our case - using Sendmail - we use the usual "aliases" file 
approach to send mailman posts to the Mailman handler for each *list 
name*:

# test list aliases
test:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test"
test-admin:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin test"
test-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test"
test-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test"
test-join:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join test"
test-leave:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave test"
test-owner:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner test"
test-request:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request test"
test-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test"
test-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test"

... and we happen to use a "local-host-names" file to have Sendmail 
see itself as the various "Virual_Host" domains.

There are other configurations.

HOWEVER .. Mailman's Virtual_Hosts doesn't allow you to have lists 
such as

  all at test.de AND  all at notest.de  right out of the box.

The list names must be unique. You'd need some approach external to 
mailman to remap list names if you want to do that, I'd guess.

Regards,
SRB

-- 
Steve Bonisteel
The Web Paving Company Ltd.
Phone: 613-531-0479
Fax  : 613-545-9148

From news at bronson.de  Wed Mar 19 17:24:30 2003
From: news at bronson.de (Nik Engel)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:24:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multipe domains
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030319103011.00b0e4b0@127.0.0.1>
References: <20030319001012.GU1680@slums.de> <20030319001012.GU1680@slums.de>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030319103011.00b0e4b0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <20030319162429.GC12257@slums.de>

* Steven Bonisteel  [030319 16:54]: 
Cool thanks ! 

> 
> ##########
> VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'lists.test.de':'test.de',
>                  'lists.notest.de':'notest.de'}
> VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 1
> ##########
> 
> If you mirror that Web host info (the second argument on each line) 
> in your HTTPD config, then going to:
> 
>   http://test.de/mailman/create
> 
> or
> 
>   http://notest.de/mailman/create

Hm I don't have a create script together with mailman.... I didn't
know it is possible to create lists via the webinterface, actually I
wouldn't like that. Is there another possibility to make this on the
command line ? 

> ... could begin new lists on separate virtual domains (assuming you 
> set up Web-server CGI alias that way.)
Sure ! 

> Finally, you will have to configure your SMTP server to process mail 
> for those virtual domains.
That is no problem, postfix is handling 50 virtual domains at the
moment.  

> HOWEVER .. Mailman's Virtual_Hosts doesn't allow you to have lists 
> such as
> 
>  all at test.de AND  all at notest.de  right out of the box.
Not good but I can live with that

From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Mar 19 18:35:35 2003
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:35:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] get subscriber list?
Message-ID: <001601c2ee3d$f3199130$0b7a799f@chris>

In a previous version of Mailman, the web interface allowed an administrator
to at least choose how many addresses to display in Membership Management.
Now, that appears to have been taken out and in place there is the
alphabetical index.

Finding member addresses from the web interface doesn't appear to really
follow Unix regular expression rules. Is there a way, either using the web
admin interface or via an email command, to get the entire list of
subscribers?

Christopher Adams

From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Wed Mar 19 19:28:15 2003
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:28:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question....
Message-ID: <20030319182815.33600.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com>

   Hi there!!!

      I have a list testlist at sever.com but I want to
send messages to the from "testlist at server.com", all
the messages are hold for approve....how can i do for
pass those messages without admin approval....?????

   Thanxs in advance!!! 

_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
La mejor conexi?n a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx

From arowley5 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 19 19:36:25 2003
From: arowley5 at comcast.net (Bonnie)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:36:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject vs Discard
Message-ID: <06c801c2ee46$74745e60$d8602f44@mtsano01.ga.comcast.net>

What's the difference between the 2?

Does either one send a notice back to the send telling of the status?

TIA
Bonnie

---
Bonnie's outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/18/03

From ezequiel at paracristianos.com  Wed Mar 19 19:39:28 2003
From: ezequiel at paracristianos.com (Ezequiel Sierra)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:39:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit Confirmation Message 
Message-ID: 

Hello! my webhosting provider give me a mailing list option in the 
cpanel of my domain and its running mailman, i want to change the 
language of my mailman list and the confirmation message and all the 
emails sent to the user in the registration process. but i dont have 
ssh or telnet access to the server of my webhosting provider what can i 
do?

From ler at lerctr.org  Wed Mar 19 19:41:34 2003
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:41:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject vs Discard
In-Reply-To: <06c801c2ee46$74745e60$d8602f44@mtsano01.ga.comcast.net>
References: <06c801c2ee46$74745e60$d8602f44@mtsano01.ga.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <222170000.1048099294@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>

--On Wednesday, March 19, 2003 13:36:25 -0500 Bonnie  
wrote:

> What's the difference between the 2?
>
> Does either one send a notice back to the send telling of the status?
Reject sends the notice, discard trashes it, with NO notice.

LER

-- 
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Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749

From sumeetp at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 19 20:38:32 2003
From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:38:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] spew to standard out
Message-ID: 

my mail halts eniterly on what i think are rejection notices, until this
message is sent out, at which point mail starts flowing again:
[root at mailman in]# Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/list/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
    main()
  File "/list/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main
    qrunner.run()
  File "/list/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run
    filecnt = self._oneloop()
  File "/list/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop
    msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File "/list/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 151, in dequeue
    if data.has_key('rejection-notice'):
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'has_key'

any help would be appreciated. thanks.

From marilyn at deliberate.com  Thu Mar 20 00:18:33 2003
From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:18:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known
Message-ID: 

I'm setting up mailman/exim and when qrunner runs, no mail goes out.
Nothing appears in exim_mainlog but $config/logs/smtp says:

All recipients refused: (-2 'Name or service not known')

I can't figure where this is coming from.  If I go to $config/qfiles,
the message waits there.

I can push the message out by using "exim -t < the_message.txt" so I
think exim is ok.  All my "sendmail" files are linked to exim.  What
else?

Anyone have an idea what I've done wrong?

Thank you,

Marilyn Davis

From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 20 01:46:53 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:46:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preferred Language
Message-ID: <109113269343.20030319164653@earthlink.net>

I'm a newbie to Mailman so be easy on me....

First of all, thanks to all of the developers.  The setup of 2.1.1 was
relatively simple.  Good docs and test scripts!  Thanks

I want to make sure I understand a button on the list information
page.  If you subscribe it askes....

Which language do you prefer to display your messages?  English (USA)

If I set up a list with multiple languages and the chooser picks a
different language than the sender posts to the list -- wouldn't the
message appear garbled?  There is no translation inherent to Mailman
2.1.1, is there?

Thanks in advance,
George

From dallas at dreamhost.com  Thu Mar 20 02:55:52 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:55:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preferred Language
In-Reply-To: <109113269343.20030319164653@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <145E808E-5A77-11D7-96E3-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>

Hi,

That setting just refers to the language mailman will use when  
displaying its web interface pages and for all of its own generated  
emails.  It won't do anything to messages your users send to the list.

That would be a neat feature, but I think it's a little beyond the  
scope of the mailman project.  8-)

	Dallas

On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 04:46 pm, ghhalley wrote:

> I'm a newbie to Mailman so be easy on me....
>
> First of all, thanks to all of the developers.  The setup of 2.1.1 was
> relatively simple.  Good docs and test scripts!  Thanks
>
> I want to make sure I understand a button on the list information
> page.  If you subscribe it askes....
>
> Which language do you prefer to display your messages?  English (USA)
>
> If I set up a list with multiple languages and the chooser picks a
> different language than the sender posts to the list -- wouldn't the
> message appear garbled?  There is no translation inherent to Mailman
> 2.1.1, is there?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> George
>
>
>
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: dallas at dreamhost.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From jbutler at ua.edu  Thu Mar 20 03:43:16 2003
From: jbutler at ua.edu (Jeremy Butler)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:43:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030319202935.00afe578@bama.ua.edu>

When I first set up Mailman 2.1.1 my DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST was set to 
www.tcf.ua.edu for testing purposes.  Now, I'm ready to go online with it, 
but I can't figure out how to change DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST to the real email 
host of tcf.ua.edu.

I changed my hosts (and virtual hosts, too!) in Postfix and I thought that 
that would transfer over to Mailman, but so far it hasn't.  When I set up a 
new list, I get addresses such as

test3-request at www.tcf.ua.edu

that should not have "www" in them.  They should look like this:

test3-request at tcf.ua.edu

So, my main, default email address is wrong, BUT the email addresses for 
new lists on my VIRTUAL host (cinemastudies.org) DOES work.

Can anyone clue me in?  Thanks!

--- Defaults.py ---

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'www.tcf.ua.edu'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.tcf.ua.edu'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'

--- mm_cfg.py ---

MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['cinemastudies.org']
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'cinemastudies.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.cinemastudies.org'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

--- Postfix's main.cf ---

myhostname = www.tcf.ua.edu
mydomain = tcf.ua.edu
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain,
         mail.$mydomain, www.$mydomain, ftp.$mydomain
virtual_alias_maps = 
hash:/etc/postfix/virtual,hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
virtual_alias_domains = cinemastudies.org www.cinemastudies.org
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases

Jeremy Butler
jbutler at ua.edu

=======================================================
TELEVISION: CRITICAL METHODS AND APPLICATIONS
http://www.TVCrit.com

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Mar 20 15:21:10 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:21:10 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] update to htdig integration patch #444884
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030320140355.045e2e88@pop.ftel.co.uk>

I have posted a revised version of the Mailman-htdig integration patch 
#444884 as file htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch.gz at:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103

The changes close a security exploit pointed out to me by Rupa Schomaker 
.

The substance of the exploit is that an unauthorized user could construct 
an HTTP request which would get htdig's htsearch program to return search 
results for a private list archive. The search results page could thus 
reveal information to an unauthorized user, even though the htdig.py CGI 
script would refuse to serve the archive page pointed to by the links on 
the htsearch results page.

With the amended patch, htsearch is now invoked by a new security wrapper 
which prevents this exploit. Without the wrapper htsearch is unable to 
access the per-list htdig config files. The security wrapper ensures the 
user requesting the search is authorized to see the list's archive before 
allowing the search.

Any problems with this new patch version, let me know.

But do read the instructions in the file INSTALL.htdig-mm installed by the 
patch. There are specific notes about updating an existing MM installation 
which has had an earlier version of patch #444884 applied to it.

From teresa at speakeasy.org  Thu Mar 20 15:36:31 2003
From: teresa at speakeasy.org (Teresa Crawford)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:36:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated list posts
Message-ID: <02f201c2eeee$1978a7c0$de56fed8@2r1z601>

I just set up a new list using Mailman.  We imported about 4000 names
from Topica to this new list.  Everyone was told we were making the
change and they were also automatically sent a Welcome message from
Mailman.

Even though they did not have to at least 3 people replied to the
Mailman welcome message saying they wanted to confirm their
subscription.

Although I have this set up as a moderated list where I have to
approve all posts somehow these 3 messages got through.  Is there
another setting I need to check to make sure this does not happen?

Thanks for the help.  I have alot of angry subscribers.

Teresa

*****************************************************
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The Advocacy Project
www.advocacynet.org
teresa at advocacynet.org
718 230 0225 NYC

* Aiding community campaigners for human rights and peace *

From jbutler at ua.edu  Thu Mar 20 16:36:15 2003
From: jbutler at ua.edu (Jeremy Butler)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:36:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updating virtual-mailman Database
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030320093333.00b1e9b8@bama.ua.edu>

I know that one is not supposed to manually edit virtual-mailman, but I've 
run into a problem where aliases were not deleted when I removed a list and 
then recreated it again with the same name.

Consequently, I've got duplicate entires (see below).

Any suggestions as to what I should do about this?  Thanks!

--- virtual-mailman ---

# STANZA START: scmscj
# CREATED: Wed Mar 19 13:43:35 2003
scmscj at www.cinemastudies.org              scmscj
scmscj-admin at www.cinemastudies.org        scmscj-admin
scmscj-bounces at www.cinemastudies.org      scmscj-bounces
scmscj-confirm at www.cinemastudies.org      scmscj-confirm
scmscj-join at www.cinemastudies.org         scmscj-join
scmscj-leave at www.cinemastudies.org        scmscj-leave
scmscj-owner at www.cinemastudies.org        scmscj-owner
scmscj-request at www.cinemastudies.org      scmscj-request
scmscj-subscribe at www.cinemastudies.org    scmscj-subscribe
scmscj-unsubscribe at www.cinemastudies.org  scmscj-unsubscribe
# STANZA END: scmscj

# STANZA START: scmscj
# CREATED: Thu Mar 20 09:27:49 2003
scmscj at cinemastudies.org              scmscj
scmscj-admin at cinemastudies.org        scmscj-admin
scmscj-bounces at cinemastudies.org      scmscj-bounces
scmscj-confirm at cinemastudies.org      scmscj-confirm
scmscj-join at cinemastudies.org         scmscj-join
scmscj-leave at cinemastudies.org        scmscj-leave
scmscj-owner at cinemastudies.org        scmscj-owner
scmscj-request at cinemastudies.org      scmscj-request
scmscj-subscribe at cinemastudies.org    scmscj-subscribe
scmscj-unsubscribe at cinemastudies.org  scmscj-unsubscribe
# STANZA END: scmscj

Jeremy Butler
jbutler at ua.edu

=======================================================
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http://www.TVCrit.com

From webmaster at oasissearch.com  Thu Mar 20 17:53:01 2003
From: webmaster at oasissearch.com (webmaster at oasissearch.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:53:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! Problems :(
Message-ID: <00db01c2ef01$2c939370$39444744@Nicole>

I resell hosting space, the fella who owns the server is on vacation. The person who is supposed to answer is not around either..... so here I am all by myself with a frustrated client.

Hello,
PLEASE HELP
We moved the list from another server.... She didn't know to back it up there so see mass subscribe about 50 people.

Looks like we are having problems with some AOL email addresses not getting emails.

Has anyone seen this issue before? We are running version 2.0.13 of mailman.

Please help my client is losing her mind!! And me too.

I wonder if it's some kind of setting on the server.... She had no problems on the other server.

Thanks,
Nicole Lancaster
Itb-Hosting Affordable Web Site Hosting
www.itb-hosting.com

From dallas at dreamhost.com  Thu Mar 20 18:15:09 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:15:09 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updating virtual-mailman Database
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030320093333.00b1e9b8@bama.ua.edu>
Message-ID: <808B2679-5AF7-11D7-96E3-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>

I think it's probably safe to edit the file by hand in this case.

	Dallas

On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 07:36 am, Jeremy Butler wrote:

> I know that one is not supposed to manually edit virtual-mailman, but  
> I've run into a problem where aliases were not deleted when I removed  
> a list and then recreated it again with the same name.
>
> Consequently, I've got duplicate entires (see below).
>
> Any suggestions as to what I should do about this?  Thanks!
>
> --- virtual-mailman ---
>
> # STANZA START: scmscj
> # CREATED: Wed Mar 19 13:43:35 2003
> scmscj at www.cinemastudies.org              scmscj
> scmscj-admin at www.cinemastudies.org        scmscj-admin
> scmscj-bounces at www.cinemastudies.org      scmscj-bounces
> scmscj-confirm at www.cinemastudies.org      scmscj-confirm
> scmscj-join at www.cinemastudies.org         scmscj-join
> scmscj-leave at www.cinemastudies.org        scmscj-leave
> scmscj-owner at www.cinemastudies.org        scmscj-owner
> scmscj-request at www.cinemastudies.org      scmscj-request
> scmscj-subscribe at www.cinemastudies.org    scmscj-subscribe
> scmscj-unsubscribe at www.cinemastudies.org  scmscj-unsubscribe
> # STANZA END: scmscj
>
> # STANZA START: scmscj
> # CREATED: Thu Mar 20 09:27:49 2003
> scmscj at cinemastudies.org              scmscj
> scmscj-admin at cinemastudies.org        scmscj-admin
> scmscj-bounces at cinemastudies.org      scmscj-bounces
> scmscj-confirm at cinemastudies.org      scmscj-confirm
> scmscj-join at cinemastudies.org         scmscj-join
> scmscj-leave at cinemastudies.org        scmscj-leave
> scmscj-owner at cinemastudies.org        scmscj-owner
> scmscj-request at cinemastudies.org      scmscj-request
> scmscj-subscribe at cinemastudies.org    scmscj-subscribe
> scmscj-unsubscribe at cinemastudies.org  scmscj-unsubscribe
> # STANZA END: scmscj
>
>
>
> Jeremy Butler
> jbutler at ua.edu
>
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From markgill at GreatBooks.Org  Thu Mar 20 18:17:36 2003
From: markgill at GreatBooks.Org (Mark Gillingham)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:17:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Knocked out cgi group (gid)
Message-ID: 

Yesterday I was trying to change the certificate on my server because the name of the server changed. Something I did got me in trouble. Now mailman reports that it is expecting gid=48 (apache) but getting gid=502 (webmaster). I double-checked httpd.conf to see what group Apache wants and it is "webmaster." I had not changed this. In fact, I don't understand what I changed. What's my best course?

From dallas at dreamhost.com  Thu Mar 20 18:24:32 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:24:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Knocked out cgi group (gid)
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Either reconfigure mailman and reinstall, or change the Group directive  
in your apache config back to what mailman is expecting.

	Dallas

On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 09:17 am, Mark Gillingham wrote:

> Yesterday I was trying to change the certificate on my server because  
> the name of the server changed. Something I did got me in trouble. Now  
> mailman reports that it is expecting gid=48 (apache) but getting  
> gid=502 (webmaster). I double-checked httpd.conf to see what group  
> Apache wants and it is "webmaster." I had not changed this. In fact, I  
> don't understand what I changed. What's my best course?
>
>
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From dallas at dreamhost.com  Thu Mar 20 18:28:06 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:28:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with message subjects
Message-ID: <4FE47C9C-5AF9-11D7-96E3-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>

Has anyone seen this problem before? :

>  | -----Original Message-----
>  | Subject: [botequim] RES: [botequim] RES: [botequim] In?cio
>  | da fase beta

Mailman is not removing the extra [botequim] headers here.  The list is 
spanish language and we're using Mailman 2.0.13.  We can't upgrade yet, 
but are working on it.

Is it getting confused because of the RES: intead of Re: ?  How does 
Mailman figure out how to remove the extra subject stuff?

Any help for me?  Will Mailman 2.1 take care of this better?

	Dallas

From stb-mm at spline.de  Thu Mar 20 19:50:59 2003
From: stb-mm at spline.de (Stephan Berndts)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:50:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with message subjects
In-Reply-To: <4FE47C9C-5AF9-11D7-96E3-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>
References: <4FE47C9C-5AF9-11D7-96E3-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <20030320185059.GA15845@uff.spline.de>

Hi Dallas,

On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 09:28:06AM -0800, Dallas Bethune wrote:
> Has anyone seen this problem before? :
Yes. With german lists.

> > | -----Original Message-----
> > | Subject: [botequim] RES: [botequim] RES: [botequim] In?cio
> > | da fase beta
> Mailman is not removing the extra [botequim] headers here.
> Is it getting confused because of the RES: intead of Re: ?
No, it's because the subject was MIME-encoded.

> How does Mailman figure out how to remove the extra subject stuff?
Mailman looks if the list-prefix is present and, if not, appends it.
As your subject contains a non-us-ascii character (the "?"), the
subject was encoded and Mailman, as it does not decode the subject,
thought that the prefix wasn't there.

> Any help for me?  Will Mailman 2.1 take care of this better?
I'm having problems with MM2.1 as well.

Stephan
-- 
"Peace cannot be achieved through violence, it can only be attained
through understanding." -- Albert Einstein

From wheakory at isu.edu  Thu Mar 20 19:54:56 2003
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:54:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmanctl probelm
Message-ID: <3E7A0E80.7010807@isu.edu>

I just upgraded to mailman 2.1.1 from mailman 2.0.13. The lists and 
everything converted fine and the web server displays everything 
properly. The problem I'm having is when I startup  "mailmanctl"
I get the following error  "Site list is missing  mailman".  What is 
configured wrong to cause this error.
I'm using  python 2.2 with postfix. on  a Red Hat 8 box.

I need to get my 200 lists up as soon as possible, I would really 
appreciate any response.

-- 
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.

From r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk  Thu Mar 20 20:12:35 2003
From: r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk (Bob Franklin)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:12:35 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmanctl probelm
In-Reply-To: <3E7A0E80.7010807@isu.edu>
References: <3E7A0E80.7010807@isu.edu>
Message-ID: 

On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Kory Wheatley wrote:

> I just upgraded to mailman 2.1.1 from mailman 2.0.13. The lists and
> everything converted fine and the web server displays everything
> properly. The problem I'm having is when I startup "mailmanctl" I get
> the following error "Site list is missing mailman".  What is configured
> wrong to cause this error.

It's the list which password reminders and other periodic things are sent
out as.  You can override it with MAILMAN_SITE_LIST in your mm_cfg.py file
- but you still need a list for this.

Just make a new list called 'mailman' and it will all work (e.g. 'newlist
mailman mailman-owner at yoursite.com N-E-OPwd').

What I'm unsure about is what should be done with this list - should it be
configured in a certain way or whatever?  I guess it's just required so
Mailman can have a valid sending address and can capture bounces, etc. in
the usual way.

  - Bob

-- 
 Bob Franklin           +44 (0)118 378 6630
 Systems and Communications, IT Services, The University of Reading, UK

From pamc at cc.gatech.edu  Tue Mar 18 17:07:20 2003
From: pamc at cc.gatech.edu (Pam Buffington)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:07:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick Question
Message-ID: <200303181607.h2IG7KrN027444@rigel.cc.gatech.edu>

Hello,
   Is it possible to create a list such that users can not unsubscribe
themselves without moderator approval?

Also, is it possible to restrict posting to a list so that all messages
from a domain are accepted? IE only people with cc.gatech.edu in
their e-mail addresses can post to a list?

Thanks
Pam

From erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at  Tue Mar 18 17:24:11 2003
From: erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at (Erich Neuwirth)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:24:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading
Message-ID: <3E77482B.7020907@univie.ac.at>

i am currently facing a problem.

i had to move a bunch of lists from an machine running
2.0.5
to another machine running 2.0.13

applying bin/move_list
i managed.

now i wanted to upgrade
to 2.1.1 on the new machine
and this failed.

the problem seems to be that the upgrade reads some information from
config.pck
and not from config.db for the lists.
after the attemped upgrade the lists suddenly
know about the old machine again.
but just running it in 2.0.13 is fine.

i used
bin/config_list -i newurl ...
for the lists, and this did not solve the problem.

is there a way of enforcing a sync between config.pck and config.db?

i do not pretend to understand the architecture.
but i am surprised that it works in 2.0.13 and then not in 2.1.1

is there an easy fix?

From seaclist at seac.org  Wed Mar 19 05:22:46 2003
From: seaclist at seac.org (SEACnet List Administrator)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:22:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] converting from ListProc
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030318222727.00a97ec0@seac.org>

Greetings,

My server administrator is considering switching to Mailman.  I run about 
40 ListProc lists and really like the email interface.  I definitely do not 
want to be stuck with a web-only interface.

Can anyone point me to a How-to-make-the-switch document?  As in, "Here's 
the Mailman equivalent of ADD listname password username," "Here's how to 
add an owner to multiple lists simultaneously," "Here's how to export a 
list of the subscribers," etc.

Thanks,
Traci

From EPITTMAN.FLPRO at sdps.org  Thu Mar 20 17:44:47 2003
From: EPITTMAN.FLPRO at sdps.org (Eric Pittman)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:44:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Archive
Message-ID: 

I am running 2.0.13 and I am having trouble deleting the archives. If I remove all the entries out of (I will use "test" as the name of my list) test.mbox and then run "arch" the archive still contains the entry. How do I purge this archive?
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From ted at groupd.com  Wed Mar 19 04:28:15 2003
From: ted at groupd.com (Ted Dively)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:28:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors when creating a new list in v.2.1
Message-ID: 

I just tried to create a list via the http interface, and Mailman 
returned this error message. Any ideas, fellow listers? As always, 
thanks for your patience, understanding, and guidance.

Ted Dively
  *******************************
Bug in Mailman version 2.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy 
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
     process_request(doc, cgidata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in 
process_request
     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create
     _update_maps()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in 
_update_maps
     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias 
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

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From dallas at dreamhost.com  Thu Mar 20 20:35:23 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:35:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with message subjects
In-Reply-To: <20030320185059.GA15845@uff.spline.de>
Message-ID: <1830F9EF-5B0B-11D7-96E3-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>

On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 10:50 am, Stephan Berndts wrote:

>>> | -----Original Message-----
>>> | Subject: [botequim] RES: [botequim] RES: [botequim] In?cio
>>> | da fase beta
>> Mailman is not removing the extra [botequim] headers here.
>> Is it getting confused because of the RES: intead of Re: ?
> No, it's because the subject was MIME-encoded.

Ah, makes sense.

>> Any help for me?  Will Mailman 2.1 take care of this better?
> I'm having problems with MM2.1 as well.

Do you know if there are any plans to correct this?  Should I ask the 
mailman developers list?

	Dallas

From lj at mandala-designs.com  Thu Mar 20 20:46:32 2003
From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs )
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:46:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Inability to send messages
Message-ID: <200303201446.AA6489174@mandala-designs.com>

Any clue what to do with these messages in my logs/error file? I have been using Mailman since early 1.x and now Mailman 2.1 One list is not getting any messages out, but what do I look for?

Postfix 2.0.6 on RedHat 7.1 with Mailman 2.1.

Thanks.

Mar 20 14:25:04 2003 (18803) Uncaught runner exception: Server not connected
Mar 20 14:25:04 2003 (18803) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 61, in _dispose
    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 149, in process
    conn.quit()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 79, in quit
    self.__conn.quit()
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 702, in quit
    self.docmd("quit")
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 357, in docmd
    self.putcmd(cmd,args)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 313, in putcmd
    self.send(str)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 303, in send
    raise SMTPServerDisconnected('Server not connected')
SMTPServerDisconnected: Server not connected

Mar 20 14:25:04 2003 (18803) SHUNTING: 1048187953.648427+6720170686240b12acd7e67fbf9c0e9dedcb91f3
Mar 20 14:40:26 2003 (18803) Uncaught runner exception: please run connect() first
Mar 20 14:40:26 2003 (18803) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 61, in _dispose
    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 149, in process
    conn.quit()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 79, in quit
    self.__conn.quit()
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 702, in quit
    self.docmd("quit")
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 357, in docmd
    self.putcmd(cmd,args)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 313, in putcmd
    self.send(str)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 305, in send
    raise SMTPServerDisconnected('please run connect() first')
SMTPServerDisconnected: please run connect() first

Mar 20 14:40:26 2003 (18803) SHUNTING: 1048189010.8887841+0c664db57b1e4c79d702e50326a9cc3190f461e6
[root at tulku mailman]#

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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Mar 20 20:51:02 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:51:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors when creating a new list in v.2.1
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030320195102.GO29935@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Ted Dively wrote:
> I just tried to create a list via the http interface, and Mailman 
> returned this error message. Any ideas, fellow listers? As always, 
> thanks for your patience, understanding, and guidance.
[...]
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
>     process_request(doc, cgidata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in 
> process_request
>     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create
>     _update_maps()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in 
> _update_maps
>     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias 
> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

Check your permissions on the /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases* files.  They
should be owner and group mailman.  README.POSTFIX details postfix
integration.

- -- 
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From dallas at dreamhost.com  Thu Mar 20 20:53:21 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:53:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors when creating a new list in v.2.1
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <9AA12FBA-5B0D-11D7-96E3-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>

It looks like this command failed:
  /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases

It's probably a permissions issue.  Is the web server user able to  
write to that directory?

	Dallas

On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 07:28 pm, Ted Dively wrote:

> I just tried to create a list via the http interface, and Mailman  
> returned this error message. Any ideas, fellow listers? As always,  
> thanks for your patience, understanding, and guidance.
>
> Ted Dively
>  *******************************
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1
>
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy  
> of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what  
> happened. Thanks!
>
> Traceback:
>
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
>     process_request(doc, cgidata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in  
> process_request
>     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create
>     _update_maps()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in  
> _update_maps
>     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias  
> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
>
>
>
>
>
> Python information:
>
>
>
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From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 20 20:54:40 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:54:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! Problems :(
In-Reply-To: <00db01c2ef01$2c939370$39444744@Nicole>
References: <00db01c2ef01$2c939370$39444744@Nicole>
Message-ID: <103182101843.20030320115440@earthlink.net>

Nicole,

For months now, AOL subscribers have been complaining about lost
emails from mailing lists.  AOL has a very aggresive anti-spam policy.
 This sounds  suspiciously like one of their cases, especially if you
 moved the list to a IP address AOL has tagged as a spammer.  You can
 find more info at a lot of places, but here are some starters:

http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/000118.html#000118
http://www.mailinglists.org/aol/
http://topica.com/lists/topica-insider/read/message.html?mid=1711351060

I have personal examples of a single address email not arriving
(multiple times) to my boss's email box.

The ugly thing about this problem, is that AOL automatically deletes
the email with no notification to the sender or the AOL user.  They
just disappear.....

George Halley

I resell hosting space, the fella who owns the server is on vacation. The person who is supposed to answer is not around
either..... so here I am all by myself with a frustrated client.

Hello,
PLEASE HELP
We moved the list from another server.... She didn't know to back it up there so see mass subscribe about 50 people.

Looks like we are having problems with some AOL email addresses not getting emails.

Has anyone seen this issue before? We are running version 2.0.13 of mailman.

Please help my client is losing her mind!! And me too.

I wonder if it's some kind of setting on the server.... She had no problems on the other server.

Thanks,
Nicole Lancaster
Itb-Hosting Affordable Web Site Hosting
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From dallas at dreamhost.com  Thu Mar 20 20:56:22 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:56:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick Question
In-Reply-To: <200303181607.h2IG7KrN027444@rigel.cc.gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <06344AD3-5B0E-11D7-96E3-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>

On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 08:07 am, Pam Buffington wrote:

> Hello,
>    Is it possible to create a list such that users can not unsubscribe
> themselves without moderator approval?

Yep, in the Privacy Options.
"Is the list moderator's approval required for unsubscription requests?  
"

> Also, is it possible to restrict posting to a list so that all messages
> from a domain are accepted? IE only people with cc.gatech.edu in
> their e-mail addresses can post to a list?

Look in Sender Filters under Privacy Options.  I think that will do  
what you want.

	Dallas

> Thanks
> Pam
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From lj at mandala-designs.com  Thu Mar 20 21:05:03 2003
From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs )
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:05:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unable to post to the list
Message-ID: <200303201505.AA6554654@mandala-designs.com>

Folks --

My recent message explained some of my problem in posting to a Mailman 2.1 list. I am using python 2.2.2 with Mailman 2.1 on a RedHat 7.1 system, mailing via postif 2.0.6.

I had been using Mailman with no problem, but one of my lists has a new problem. I am able to get my moderated list posting vetted, but even after getting approved, the post update never shows up in the logs directory.

Like a previous poster, I am able to create a new list and add several users to it and get messages out with no problem. But when I imported all the names to the list, same as what I had in the inital problem list, the error log says:

Mar 20 14:40:26 2003 (18803) Uncaught runner exception: please run connect() first
Mar 20 14:40:26 2003 (18803) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 61, in _dispose
    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 149, in process
    conn.quit()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 79, in quit
    self.__conn.quit()
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 702, in quit
    self.docmd("quit")
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 357, in docmd
    self.putcmd(cmd,args)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 313, in putcmd
    self.send(str)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 305, in send
    raise SMTPServerDisconnected('please run connect() first')
SMTPServerDisconnected: please run connect() first

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks. 

________________________________________________________________
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From pascal at dreissen.nl  Thu Mar 20 21:25:24 2003
From: pascal at dreissen.nl (Pascal Dreissen)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:25:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nntp authentication
Message-ID: <004701c2ef1e$d68198b0$6400293d@CP28751A>

Ehlo,

Is it possible to use a nntp server wich need authentication ??? Where do i have to put the user/pass for authentication if yes?
Can't seem to find this one in the documentation!

Thanks in advance for your help!

Best regards,

Pascal!

From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk  Thu Mar 20 21:32:10 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:32:10 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmanctl probelm
In-Reply-To: 
References: <3E7A0E80.7010807@isu.edu>
 <3E7A0E80.7010807@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030320202755.03b46f78@pop3.demon.co.uk>

At 19:12 20/03/2003, Bob Franklin wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Kory Wheatley wrote:
>
> > I just upgraded to mailman 2.1.1 from mailman 2.0.13. The lists and
> > everything converted fine and the web server displays everything
> > properly. The problem I'm having is when I startup "mailmanctl" I get
> > the following error "Site list is missing mailman".  What is configured
> > wrong to cause this error.

See the last two bullet point under heading "4. Final system set-up" in the 
INSTALL file of the Mailman release for what and why.

>It's the list which password reminders and other periodic things are sent
>out as.  You can override it with MAILMAN_SITE_LIST in your mm_cfg.py file
>- but you still need a list for this.
>
>Just make a new list called 'mailman' and it will all work (e.g. 'newlist
>mailman mailman-owner at yoursite.com N-E-OPwd').
>
>What I'm unsure about is what should be done with this list - should it be
>configured in a certain way or whatever?  I guess it's just required so
>Mailman can have a valid sending address and can capture bounces, etc. in
>the usual way.
>
>   - Bob
>
>
>--
>  Bob Franklin           +44 (0)118 378 6630
>  Systems and Communications, IT Services, The University of Reading, UK

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Mar 20 21:43:32 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nntp authentication
In-Reply-To: <004701c2ef1e$d68198b0$6400293d@CP28751A>
References: <004701c2ef1e$d68198b0$6400293d@CP28751A>
Message-ID: <20030320204332.GR29935@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Pascal Dreissen wrote:
> Is it possible to use a nntp server wich need authentication ??? Where do
> i have to put the user/pass for authentication if yes?
> Can't seem to find this one in the documentation!

You didn't read through Defaults.py then. ;-)

Copy these lines from Defaults.py to mm_cfg.py:

# Set these variables if you need to authenticate to your NNTP server for
# Usenet posting or reading.  If no authentication is necessary, specify None
# for both variables.
NNTP_USERNAME = None
NNTP_PASSWORD = None

I think you have to restart mailmanctl after you do this, but I'm not sure.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
Whenever we take away the liberties of those whom we hate we are opening
the way to loss of liberty for those we love.
    -- Wendell L. Wilkie

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From marena at magnatechonline.com  Thu Mar 20 21:44:36 2003
From: marena at magnatechonline.com (Michael Arena)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:44:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Install Problem
Message-ID: <001d01c2ef21$853075a0$0f01a8c0@magnatechonline.com>

Hello,
I am having trouble getting Mailman setup on my Redhat 8.0 machine. I'm
using Python version 2.2.1. I got most of it set up except the archived
messages part. I can admin lists, create lists, and add users to lists but
cannot view archives and Apache keeps giving me a "Symbolic link not
allowed." I followed all the instructions but it doesnt seem to be working.
I added all the following lines to my httpd.conf file as well and still no
good.
********Begin code********************
Alias /pipermail/ "/var/mailman/archives/public/"

    Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
    AllowOverride None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all

********End Code************************

What groups and owners do all the files under /var/mailman/cgi-bin have to
belong to? Do they have to have the same owners/groups as the symbolic links
do?

Thanks for any help you can give,
Mike

From jbutler at ua.edu  Fri Mar 21 03:16:58 2003
From: jbutler at ua.edu (Jeremy Butler)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:16:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 Interesting Mailman-Postfix Churning:  User unknown in local
 recipient table
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030320194952.01d6ae60@bama.ua.edu>

I encountered an interesting case of, I think, Mailman-provoked Postfix 
churning this afternoon.  For several hours, Postfix and Mailman kept going 
in circles (see below).   Fortunately, when I restarted Postfix, the 
churning stopped.

But, obviously, I'd like to avoid a repeat of this.  And so I'm looking for 
advice.

I believe this churn was initiated when a Mailman list (splash at tcf.ua.edu) 
tried to tell a subscriber (maiser at tcf.ua.edu) that he had been 
unsubscribed.  Mailman sent a good-bye note to maiser at tcf.ua.edu, which 
appeared to be on the same system as it was, BUT maiser at tcf.ua.edu was NOT 
actually a valid account on that machine.  In fact, I deleted it because it 
wasn't a valid account.

Can anyone 'splain to me why the lack of a valid recipient led to such 
churning?

Thanks!

---- maillog ----

Mar 20 15:18:14 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: connect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:14 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: 28874C050: 
client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:14 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: 28874C050: reject: RCPT from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 450 : User unknown in 
local recipient table; from= proto=ESMTP 
helo=
Mar 20 15:18:15 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: disconnect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:15 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: connect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:15 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: disconnect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:15 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: connect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:15 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: 7B3E2C050: 
client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:15 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: 7B3E2C050: reject: RCPT from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 450 : User unknown in 
local recipient table; from= proto=ESMTP 
helo=
Mar 20 15:18:16 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: disconnect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:16 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: connect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:16 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: disconnect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:16 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: connect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:16 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: 8E27FC050: 
client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:16 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: 8E27FC050: reject: RCPT from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 450 : User unknown in 
local recipient table; from= proto=ESMTP 
helo=
Mar 20 15:18:17 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: disconnect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:17 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: connect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:17 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: disconnect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:17 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: connect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:17 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: A0CDCC050: 
client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:17 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: A0CDCC050: reject: RCPT from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 450 : User unknown in 
local recipient table; from= proto=ESMTP 
helo=
Mar 20 15:18:18 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: disconnect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:18 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: connect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 20 15:18:18 www postfix/smtpd[27266]: disconnect from 
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Jeremy Butler
jbutler at ua.edu
========================================================
TELEVISION: CRITICAL METHODS AND APPLICATIONS
www.TVCrit.com

From wiren at libero.it  Fri Mar 21 08:14:36 2003
From: wiren at libero.it (wiren)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:14:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 and Exim 3.6
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030320194952.01d6ae60@bama.ua.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030320194952.01d6ae60@bama.ua.edu>
Message-ID: <1871519424.20030321081436@libero.it>

Dear All

I  have  mailman 2.1.5 and Exim 3.6 under a mixed Debian sistem. I had
to  specifically  install  the  "unstable"  packet  to have the latest
mailman version.

Now,  I  went  through the readme.exim file into the documentation and
made  some  changes  into  exim.conf  file  to  update the name of the
wrapper, which appears to be different from previous versions. This is
the line I updated:

JB>  MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/mailman

where  formerly  instead  of mailman the end of this line used to read
"wrapper" and, in fact, I had started receiveng bouncing messages...

Now  the  lists  are working, I mean if you post mail every subscriber
gets  its  copy but it is impossibile to subscribe or to use any other
alias address of the list.

The readme.exim says that:

JB> Transport for Exim 3
JB> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JB> 
JB> Add this to the transports section of your Exim config file,
JB> i.e. somewhere between the first and second "end" line:
JB> 
JB>   mailman_transport:
JB>     driver = pipe
JB>     command = MAILMAN_WRAP \
JB>               '${if def:local_part_suffix \
JB>                     {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \
JB>                     {post}}' \
JB>               $local_part
JB>     current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
JB>     home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
JB>     user = MAILMAN_USER
JB>     group = MAILMAN_GROUP
JB> 
JB> (XXX this is untested by me under Exim 3!  Can someone using Exim 3
JB> please let me know if it works?)

I  tried  to  do this, but it did NOT work. I got no error message, no
bounce,  but  simply  the mail was not working. The same author of the
readme says it is untested under exim3...

I  googled  the net but did not find much info: I just found many docs
which were obviously related to previous versions of mailman.

Now,  is  there anyone who has the same configuration of mailman 2.1.5
and  exim  3.6 and could pass me some help? Or would you suggest me to
update  exim too? I would rather not, for I am not a linux hacker, and
I  am  still  wondering how I could update mailman and have it working
somehow... Any hint will be appreciated.

Thank you for your attention and your help.

-- 
Salutoni,
 wiren                            wiren at libero.it

http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=39271

From Brian.Ipsen at andebakken.dk  Fri Mar 21 11:41:09 2003
From: Brian.Ipsen at andebakken.dk (Brian Ipsen)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:41:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Danish translation
Message-ID: 

Hi!

 Is anyone working on a Danish translation of the message-file for Mailman
??

Regards,

/Brian

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 21 16:00:31 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:00:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 and Exim 3.6
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030320194952.01d6ae60@bama.ua.edu>
	<1871519424.20030321081436@libero.it>
Message-ID: <002301c2efba$9e26e5a0$1401a8c0@anncons>

If you can't get that Exim integration working, you can still simply treat
the Mailman aliases as normal aliases, but you will have to update your
/etc/aliases file for each list.  At the very least you will need the
-request alias added.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "wiren" 
To: "mailman-users" 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:14 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 and Exim 3.6

> Dear All
>
>
> I  have  mailman 2.1.5 and Exim 3.6 under a mixed Debian sistem. I had
> to  specifically  install  the  "unstable"  packet  to have the latest
> mailman version.
>
> Now,  I  went  through the readme.exim file into the documentation and
> made  some  changes  into  exim.conf  file  to  update the name of the
> wrapper, which appears to be different from previous versions. This is
> the line I updated:
>
> JB>  MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/mailman
>
> where  formerly  instead  of mailman the end of this line used to read
> "wrapper" and, in fact, I had started receiveng bouncing messages...
>
> Now  the  lists  are working, I mean if you post mail every subscriber
> gets  its  copy but it is impossibile to subscribe or to use any other
> alias address of the list.
>
> The readme.exim says that:
>
> JB> Transport for Exim 3
> JB> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> JB>
> JB> Add this to the transports section of your Exim config file,
> JB> i.e. somewhere between the first and second "end" line:
> JB>
> JB>   mailman_transport:
> JB>     driver = pipe
> JB>     command = MAILMAN_WRAP \
> JB>               '${if def:local_part_suffix \
> JB>                     {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}}
\
> JB>                     {post}}' \
> JB>               $local_part
> JB>     current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
> JB>     home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
> JB>     user = MAILMAN_USER
> JB>     group = MAILMAN_GROUP
> JB>
> JB> (XXX this is untested by me under Exim 3!  Can someone using Exim 3
> JB> please let me know if it works?)
>
> I  tried  to  do this, but it did NOT work. I got no error message, no
> bounce,  but  simply  the mail was not working. The same author of the
> readme says it is untested under exim3...
>
> I  googled  the net but did not find much info: I just found many docs
> which were obviously related to previous versions of mailman.
>
> Now,  is  there anyone who has the same configuration of mailman 2.1.5
> and  exim  3.6 and could pass me some help? Or would you suggest me to
> update  exim too? I would rather not, for I am not a linux hacker, and
> I  am  still  wondering how I could update mailman and have it working
> somehow... Any hint will be appreciated.
>
> Thank you for your attention and your help.
>
>
>
> --
> Salutoni,
>  wiren                            wiren at libero.it
>
> http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=39271
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com

From sem at ing.uchile.cl  Fri Mar 21 16:21:36 2003
From: sem at ing.uchile.cl (sem at ing.uchile.cl)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:21:36 -0400 (CLT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with attachments 
Message-ID: 

Hi, i'm using mailman2.1 on a box with SOlaris 2.6
When the users send a word attachment you can see it right in the email, 
but mailman archive them in the spool with a .dot suffix, so you can't see 
it right on the web.
Here is an example:
attachments/20030320/8cc56c88/00Acta01-2003.dot

It happens with every word attachment
Any hint?

-- 
Sergio Edo. Miranda            
Area de Ingenieria - CEC     
Universidad de Chile         

From ccurley at trib.com  Fri Mar 21 17:48:32 2003
From: ccurley at trib.com (Charles Curley)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:48:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot Subscribe to Several Mailman Lists
Message-ID: <20030321164832.GA13821@trib.com>

I have hit an odd problem, and Mailman appears to be in the center of
it. I have tried to subscribe to several lists, all using mailman
2.0.x, and have never gotten the confirming email.

One is the Red Hat 8.0 (Psyche) list,
https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list. Another is
the Autoupdate list, and the third the Wyoming Libertarian Party at
http://www.zayda.net/mailman/listinfo/wyolp.

In the case of the Autoupdate list, I tried both with this email
address, and as ccurley at rtconnect.net. In the case of the Wyoming LP,
I tried only with ccurley at rtconnect.net.

Is there any known bug in 2.0.x that might lead to such a result?

I was able to subscribe to this list, which is running version 2.1.1.

Can you suggest things an administrator might look at to see if the
confirming emails ever went out? The mail log would be an obvious one;
anything else?

Both ISPs use Communigate Pro for mail handling. Are there any known
issues with Communigate Pro?

I did not see anything that appeared relevant in either Christopher
Kola's admin manual, the bug list on SourceForge, or in this list's
archives.

Thank you.

-- 

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Looking for fine software       \ /    Respect for open standards
and/or writing?                  X     No HTML/RTF in email
http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley     / \    No M$ Word docs in email

Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0  809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB

From wfroning at uop.edu  Fri Mar 21 18:30:03 2003
From: wfroning at uop.edu (Will Froning)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:30:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] templates/en/newlist.txt
Message-ID: <20030321093003.4446ae50.wfroning@uop.edu>

I've noticed that Mailman is kind enough to apply some formatting
changes to my newlist.txt template when it sends the file out.

For instance I have this in the newlist.txt file:
-----------------
The format for uploading addresses is one entry per line with an
optional member name entry. IE:

"Mail Person" email at dom.ain
email2 at stk.dom.ian

[Privacy options]
This section of the admin page is for specifying the subscribe_policy
and private_roster options (amoung others). 
-----------------

But Mailman sends out this:
-----------------
The format for uploading addresses is one entry per line with an
optional member name entry. IE:

"Mail Person" email at dom.ain email2 at stk.dom.ian

[Privacy options] This section of the admin page is for specifying the
subscribe_policy and private_roster options (amoung others).
-----------------

Is there a way to keep Mailman from joining these lines?

I'm on digest only, so I may be slow to respond.

Thanks,
Will

-- 
Will Froning
Unix Sys. Admin.
wfroning at uop.edu

From wfroning at uop.edu  Fri Mar 21 18:56:48 2003
From: wfroning at uop.edu (Will Froning)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:56:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] templates/en/newlist.txt
In-Reply-To: <1048268861.11056.0.camel@geddy>
References: <20030321093003.4446ae50.wfroning@uop.edu>
	<1048268861.11056.0.camel@geddy>
Message-ID: <20030321095648.57d81fac.wfroning@uop.edu>

Thanks, worked like a charm.

Will

On 21 Mar 2003 12:47:42 -0500
Barry Warsaw  wrote:

> On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 12:30, Will Froning wrote:
> > I've noticed that Mailman is kind enough to apply some formatting
> > changes to my newlist.txt template when it sends the file out.
> 
> > Is there a way to keep Mailman from joining these lines?
> 
> Start the lines with whitespace.  Mailman won't wrap such lines.
> 
> -Barry
> 
> 

-- 
Will Froning
Unix Sys. Admin.
(209)946-7470
(209)649-0098
wfroning at uop.edu

From barry at python.org  Fri Mar 21 18:58:26 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: 21 Mar 2003 12:58:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] templates/en/newlist.txt
In-Reply-To: <20030321093003.4446ae50.wfroning@uop.edu>
References: <20030321093003.4446ae50.wfroning@uop.edu>
Message-ID: <1048269505.11085.3.camel@geddy>

On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 12:30, Will Froning wrote:
> I've noticed that Mailman is kind enough to apply some formatting
> changes to my newlist.txt template when it sends the file out.

> Is there a way to keep Mailman from joining these lines?

Start the lines with whitespace.  Mailman won't wrap such lines.

-Barry

From andre at abrapiv.com.br  Fri Mar 21 20:34:14 2003
From: andre at abrapiv.com.br (Andre Ricardo)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:34:14 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Machine is too slow
In-Reply-To: <1048269505.11085.3.camel@geddy>
Message-ID: 

	hi,

	I have a Mailman 2.1.1 running on a SPARC 4 and Solaris 7. Python
2.2.2 and sendmail 8.12.8 installed. Mailman call several python
instances, the disk usage goes up leading the machine to stall and even
crash sometimes. Any ideias?

	Cheers
	Andre

From ezk at cs.sunysb.edu  Fri Mar 21 21:49:11 2003
From: ezk at cs.sunysb.edu (Erez Zadok)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:49:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering Importance headers
Message-ID: <200303212049.h2LKnBnH028672@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>

Is there a way that Mailman can remove certain headers before a message is
posted to a list?  In particular, I want to remove the "Importance" header,
which some posters will set to "high" or "urgent" unnecessarily.  Some MUAs
do all kinds of things users dislike for high-priority mails.

Note: I don't want to reject such posts automatically, b/c their content may
still be valuable, just not as urgent as the sender thinks.

Thanks,
Erez.

From ted at groupd.com  Fri Mar 21 22:03:36 2003
From: ted at groupd.com (Ted Dively)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:03:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error messages using Postfix v.2.0.6
Message-ID: <955360A4-5BE0-11D7-9252-003065BA800C@groupd.com>

Mailman v.2.1.1
Postfix v.2.0.6
Python v.2.2.2

I get this error from the mail server:

: Command died with status 2:
     "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman". Command output:  
Group
     mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be  
executed as
     group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail  
script as
     group "nobody".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as  
group
     "mailman", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
     `--with-mail-gid=nobody'.
Reporting-MTA: dns; zaius.groupd.com
Arrival-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:57:54 -0800 (PST)

But when I reconfigure everything to correct this, I get the same exact  
error, but with "mailman" and "nobody" swapped. In other words, no  
matter how I configure mailman, whether with "nobody" or "mailman", it  
bounced the mail.

Also, when executing bin/mailmanctl start, I get these errors:

Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
[zaius:/usr/local/mailman] ted% Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.ArchRunner
No module named _socket
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner
No module named _socket
Cannot import runner moduleCannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.NewsRunner
No module named _socket
  Mailman.Queue.IncomingRunner
No module named _socket
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.BounceRunner
No module named _socket
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.CommandRunner
No module named _socket
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.VirginRunner
No module named _socket

Can anyone help me figure out what's going on here? I'm pulling out my  
hair trying to get this installation to work.

Ted Dively
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From marilyn at deliberate.com  Fri Mar 21 22:11:27 2003
From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:11:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error messages using Postfix v.2.0.6
In-Reply-To: <955360A4-5BE0-11D7-9252-003065BA800C@groupd.com>
Message-ID: 

On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Ted Dively wrote:

> Mailman v.2.1.1
> Postfix v.2.0.6
> Python v.2.2.2
> 
> I get this error from the mail server:
> 
> : Command died with status 2:
>      "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman". Command output:  
> Group
>      mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be  
> executed as
>      group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail  
> script as
>      group "nobody".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as  
> group
>      "mailman", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
>      `--with-mail-gid=nobody'.
> Reporting-MTA: dns; zaius.groupd.com
> Arrival-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:57:54 -0800 (PST)
> 
> But when I reconfigure everything to correct this, I get the same exact  
> error, but with "mailman" and "nobody" swapped. In other words, no  
> matter how I configure mailman, whether with "nobody" or "mailman", it  
> bounced the mail.

Did you do both things?  You should do only one.  Both the mail server
and mailman need to run under the same group.

I think.

> 
> Also, when executing bin/mailmanctl start, I get these errors:
> 
> Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
> [zaius:/usr/local/mailman] ted% Cannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.ArchRunner

Hmmm.  It sounds like you don't have the complete installation, but I
don't know.

Good luck.

Marilyn Davis

> No module named _socket
> Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner
> No module named _socket
> Cannot import runner moduleCannot import runner module  
> Mailman.Queue.NewsRunner
> No module named _socket
>   Mailman.Queue.IncomingRunner
> No module named _socket
> Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.BounceRunner
> No module named _socket
> Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.CommandRunner
> No module named _socket
> Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.VirginRunner
> No module named _socket
> 
> Can anyone help me figure out what's going on here? I'm pulling out my  
> hair trying to get this installation to work.
> 
> Ted Dively
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From barry at python.org  Fri Mar 21 22:49:14 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: 21 Mar 2003 16:49:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Interesting Mailman-Postfix Churning:  User
	unknown in local recipient table
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030320194952.01d6ae60@bama.ua.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030320194952.01d6ae60@bama.ua.edu>
Message-ID: <1048283354.11236.25.camel@geddy>

On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 21:16, Jeremy Butler wrote:
> I encountered an interesting case of, I think, Mailman-provoked Postfix 
> churning this afternoon.  For several hours, Postfix and Mailman kept going 
> in circles (see below).   Fortunately, when I restarted Postfix, the 
> churning stopped.

This is a known bug, fixed in cvs.  The problem only occurs when
attempting to deliver to an unknown user on the machine running Mailman.
At issue is the error code returned by Postfix in this case -- it
indicates a temporary error, not a permanent error, so Mailman keeps
trying to re-deliver the message.  Another fix in cvs is to have Mailman
backoff retries of temp failures for some period of time.

This fix will be in Mailman 2.1.2 (no ETA, but soon).
-Barry

From barry at python.org  Fri Mar 21 22:55:25 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: 21 Mar 2003 16:55:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim -mailman faq - not working
In-Reply-To: <1043702937.1610.16.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
References: <200301271508.h0RF8Tx17033@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>
	 <1043702937.1610.16.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1048283725.11247.28.camel@geddy>

On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 16:28, Jon Carnes wrote:
> ~mailman/bin/genaliases in mentioned in:
>   NEWS
>   UPGRADING
>   README.POSTFIX
> 
> Sorry, it looks like the genaliases script is designed specifically to
> be used with Postfix... Hmmm.  Seems like it could easily be made MTA
> neutral, and still be able to link with Postfix.

genaliases depends on the MTA variable setting in mm_cfg.py.  If you
wanted to run Exim with manual aliases, you'd set MTA='Manual'

-Barry

From barry at python.org  Fri Mar 21 23:01:51 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: 21 Mar 2003 17:01:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Danish translation
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1048284111.11236.30.camel@geddy>

On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 05:41, Brian Ipsen wrote:
>  Is anyone working on a Danish translation of the message-file for Mailman
> ??

Thomas von Hassel and Soren Bondrup have volunteered to work on the
Danish translation, although nothing's been contributed back yet.  If
you can help, please contact them!

-Barry

From marilyn at deliberate.com  Fri Mar 21 23:04:05 2003
From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:04:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

I'm still pulling out my hair on this one, and a hairless woman is not
a pretty thing.  

It's still old 2.0.13 and I need to run that on this particular
machine.

I figured out that the SMTPDirect thing was going straight out a port
rather than piping to exim.  This is a standalone machine for
development and testing.

So, in my mm_cfg.py I put:

DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'

but it didn't fix it.

How can I get it to use sendmail (linked to exim) instead of the
SMTPDirect module?

Marilyn

On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Marilyn Davis wrote:

> I'm setting up mailman/exim and when qrunner runs, no mail goes out.
> Nothing appears in exim_mainlog but $config/logs/smtp says:
> 
> All recipients refused: (-2 'Name or service not known')
> 
> I can't figure where this is coming from.  If I go to $config/qfiles,
> the message waits there.
> 
> I can push the message out by using "exim -t < the_message.txt" so I
> think exim is ok.  All my "sendmail" files are linked to exim.  What
> else?
> 
> Anyone have an idea what I've done wrong?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Marilyn Davis
> 
> 
> 
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From johnslists at mcswartz.org  Fri Mar 21 23:20:12 2003
From: johnslists at mcswartz.org (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:20:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim -mailman faq - not working
In-Reply-To: <1048283725.11247.28.camel@geddy>
Message-ID: <200303212220.h2LMKDq01572@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>

On 21 Mar 2003 16:55:25 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote:

>On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 16:28, Jon Carnes wrote:
>> ~mailman/bin/genaliases in mentioned in:
>>   NEWS
>>   UPGRADING
>>   README.POSTFIX
>> 
>> Sorry, it looks like the genaliases script is designed specifically to
>> be used with Postfix... Hmmm.  Seems like it could easily be made MTA
>> neutral, and still be able to link with Postfix.
>
>genaliases depends on the MTA variable setting in mm_cfg.py.  If you
>wanted to run Exim with manual aliases, you'd set MTA='Manual'

I'm not sure I can stretch my memory back to January, but I think the
issue was that the genaliases script doesn't create a file with the
aliases in them unless you are using Postfix (presumably with the MTA
variable set to Postfix). I'm running sendmail and the MTA variable is
at the default (i.e., Manual). I think the only way to get a list of
all of the aliases is to capture the output of the genaliases script
and manually remove the extra comment lines ("To finish creating your
mailing list . . .").

From ted at groupd.com  Fri Mar 21 23:58:55 2003
From: ted at groupd.com (Ted Dively)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:58:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error messages using Postfix v.2.0.6
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On Friday, Mar 21, 2003, at 13:08 US/Pacific, Andre Ricardo wrote:

> 	Do what the message says, recompile with --with-mail-gid=nobody

As my original post says, I *did* this, but I get the exact same error,  
only with "nobody" and "mailman" reversed. In other words, if I compile  
for "nobody" it says I should recompile for "mailman", but if I compile  
for "mailman" it says I should recompile for "nobody". Am I being  
clear? Man, I sure hope so.

Ted Dively
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From ted at groupd.com  Fri Mar 21 23:58:55 2003
From: ted at groupd.com (Ted Dively)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:58:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error messages using Postfix v.2.0.6
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On Friday, Mar 21, 2003, at 13:08 US/Pacific, Andre Ricardo wrote:

> 	Do what the message says, recompile with --with-mail-gid=nobody

As my original post says, I *did* this, but I get the exact same error,  
only with "nobody" and "mailman" reversed. In other words, if I compile  
for "nobody" it says I should recompile for "mailman", but if I compile  
for "mailman" it says I should recompile for "nobody". Am I being  
clear? Man, I sure hope so.

Ted Dively
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From erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at  Sat Mar 22 01:45:58 2003
From: erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at (Erich Neuwirth)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 01:45:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install problem
Message-ID: <3E7BB246.7020400@univie.ac.at>

i just installed mailman 2.1.1 on debian manually because i need things 
in different directories, and because debina only is at 2.0.11.
my mailer is the current version of postfix from the debian distribution.
postfix works.

the strage thins is that
setgid_group=postdrop
on main.cf of postfix, but
--with-mail-gid=postdrop does not work.
i had to do
--with-mail-gid=nogroup
(i was told so by a mail with an error message).

mailman has additional problems.

i set up a test list,
and mail to the list gets stuck in
mailman/qfiles/in

it does not get sent from there.

any ideas what might be the reason?
which aspect of the configuration do i have to change?

any hints how i might be up and running soon?

From ted at groupd.com  Sat Mar 22 02:52:09 2003
From: ted at groupd.com (Ted Dively)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:52:09 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a little help w/2 things, please
Message-ID: 

Config:
Postfix 2.0.6
Mailman 2.1.1
Python 2.2.2
***************************
Problem One:

The mail log show this:

Mar 21 17:46:06 zaius postfix/local[122]: D10246B8DE:  
to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent  
("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman")

But the mail never arrives. Any suggestions as to what might be going  
on?
  ***************************
Problem Two:

When starting Mailman from "sudo bin/mailmanctl start", this is what  
appears in my terminal window:

[zaius:/usr/local/mailman] ted% sudo bin/mailmanctl start
Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
[zaius:/usr/local/mailman] ted% Cannot import runner module  
Mailman.Queue.IncomingRunner
No module named _socket
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.ArchRunner
No module named _socket
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner
No module named _socket
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.BounceRunner
No module named _socket
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.NewsRunner
No module named _socket
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.CommandRunner
No module named _socket
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.VirginRunner
No module named _socket

Again, any suggestions as to what might be going on here? TIA
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From seng at xs4all.nl  Sat Mar 22 02:58:18 2003
From: seng at xs4all.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=FCray_Sen?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 02:58:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman with Apache James
Message-ID: <3E7BC33A.2010507@xs4all.nl>

Hullo everyone,

Has anyone got Mailman to work with the Apache James mail server? I seem 
to be running into a configuration problem. After creating the list 
Test, Mailman tells me to setup the following aliases:

## test mailing list
## created: 21-Mar-2003 root
test:                    "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

Easy enough if you are using sendmail, because you can just copy&paste 
the above into /etc/aliases and run "newaliases". What about James? I 
can create aliases with the Remote Administrator, but I don't think 
James supports the piping construct.

Any idea's appreciated.

From jimpop at rocketship.com  Sat Mar 22 05:30:51 2003
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 23:30:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Machine is too slow
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Hi Andre,

-how much memory?
-sendmail?
-local DNS?
-is /var on a different partition than Mailman dir?
-output of:
  `df-k | grep tmp`
  `date; find / | wc -l; date`

Thanks,

-Jim P.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andre Ricardo
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:34 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Machine is too slow
>
>
> 	hi,
>
> 	I have a Mailman 2.1.1 running on a SPARC 4 and Solaris 7. Python
> 2.2.2 and sendmail 8.12.8 installed. Mailman call several python
> instances, the disk usage goes up leading the machine to stall and even
> crash sometimes. Any ideias?
>
> 	Cheers
> 	Andre
>
>
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From barry at python.org  Sat Mar 22 05:52:27 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: 21 Mar 2003 23:52:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error messages using Postfix v.2.0.6
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1048308746.18881.6.camel@geddy>

On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 17:58, Ted Dively wrote:
> On Friday, Mar 21, 2003, at 13:08 US/Pacific, Andre Ricardo wrote:
> 
> > 	Do what the message says, recompile with --with-mail-gid=nobody
> 
> As my original post says, I *did* this, but I get the exact same error,  
> only with "nobody" and "mailman" reversed. In other words, if I compile  
> for "nobody" it says I should recompile for "mailman", but if I compile  
> for "mailman" it says I should recompile for "nobody". Am I being  
> clear? Man, I sure hope so.

Are you using the aliases.db file generated by bin/genaliases?  If so,
be sure that the owner and group are mailman, and compile
--with-mail-gid=mailman.  That should be all you need to make it work.

-Barry

From barry at python.org  Sat Mar 22 05:57:44 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: 21 Mar 2003 23:57:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nntp authentication
In-Reply-To: <20030320204332.GR29935@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <004701c2ef1e$d68198b0$6400293d@CP28751A>
	 <20030320204332.GR29935@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <1048309064.18777.13.camel@geddy>

On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 15:43, Todd wrote:

> I think you have to restart mailmanctl after you do this, but I'm not sure.

Any time you make a change to mm_cfg.py you need to restart mailmanctl,
otherwise none of the qrunners will see the changes.

-Barry

From barry at python.org  Sat Mar 22 06:46:44 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: 22 Mar 2003 00:46:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmanctl probelm
In-Reply-To: 
References: <3E7A0E80.7010807@isu.edu>

Message-ID: <1048312004.18881.21.camel@geddy>

On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 14:12, Bob Franklin wrote:

> What I'm unsure about is what should be done with this list - should it be
> configured in a certain way or whatever?  I guess it's just required so
> Mailman can have a valid sending address and can capture bounces, etc. in
> the usual way.

Right, and Mailman knows what the site list is (well, you tell it in
MAILMAN_SITE_LIST -- defaulting to "mailman") so it knows to handle
bounces to the list in a special way.

As for how to configure the list, nothing special is necessary, but may
be desired.  In particular, you want to subscribe yourself to the list,
and set a few privacy options.  You don't want others to subscribe to
your list, etc.

I've put together a suggested configuration template which I'll
distribute with Mailman 2.1.2.  I'll attach it below so you can take a
look at it.  Install it with config_list.

-Barry

-------------- next part --------------
## "mailman" mailing list configuration settings -*- python -*-
## captured on Sat Mar 22 00:21:06 2003

## Mailman - The GNU Mailing List Management System
## Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
## 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA

## General options
#
# Fundamental list characteristics, including descriptive info and basic
# behaviors.

# The capitalization of this name can be changed to make it presentable
# in polite company as a proper noun, or to make an acronym part all
# upper case, etc.  However, the name will be advertised as the email
# address (e.g., in subscribe confirmation notices), so it should not be
# otherwise altered.  (Email addresses are not case sensitive, but they
# are sensitive to almost everything else :-)
real_name = 'Mailman'

# This description is used when the mailing list is listed with other
# mailing lists, or in headers, and so forth.  It should be as succinct
# as you can get it, while still identifying what the list is.
description = 'Mailman site list'

# This text will be prepended to subject lines of messages posted to the
# list, to distinguish mailing list messages in in mailbox summaries.
# Brevity is premium here, it's ok to shorten long mailing list names to
# something more concise, as long as it still identifies the mailing
# list.
subject_prefix = '[Mailman Site List] '

# List moderators (and list administrators) are sent daily reminders of
# requests pending approval, like subscriptions to a moderated list, or
# postings that are being held for one reason or another.  Setting this
# option causes notices to be sent immediately on the arrival of new
# requests as well.
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "No"
#    1 = "Yes"
admin_immed_notify = 1

# Should administrator get notices of subscribes and unsubscribes?
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "No"
#    1 = "Yes"
admin_notify_mchanges = 1

# Approval notices are sent when mail triggers certain of the limits
# except routine list moderation and spam filters, for which notices are
# not sent.  This option overrides ever sending the notice.
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "No"
#    1 = "Yes"
respond_to_post_requests = 1

## Nondigest options
#
# Policies concerning immediately delivered list traffic.

# Can subscribers choose to receive mail immediately, rather than in
# batched digests?
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "No"
#    1 = "Yes"
nondigestable = 1

# Normally, Mailman sends the regular delivery messages to the mail
# server in batches.  This is much more efficent because it reduces the
# amount of traffic between Mailman and the mail server.
# 
# However, some lists can benefit from a more personalized approach.  In
# this case, Mailman crafts a new message for each member on the regular
# delivery list.  Turning this feature on may degrade the performance of
# your site, so you need to carefully consider whether the trade-off is
# worth it, or whether there are other ways to accomplish what you want.
# You should also carefully monitor your system load to make sure it is
# acceptable.
# 
# Select No to disable personalization and send messages to the members
# in batches.  Select Yes to personalize deliveries and allow additional
# substitution variables in message headers and footers (see below).  In
# addition, by selecting Full Personalization, the To header of posted
# messages will be modified to include the member's address instead of
# the list's posting address.
# 
# When personalization is enabled, a few more expansion variables that
# can be included in the message
# header and message footer.
# 
# These additional substitution variables will be available for your
# headers and footers, when this feature is enabled:
# 
# user_address - The address of the user, coerced to lower case.
# user_delivered_to - The case-preserved address that the user is
# subscribed with. user_password - The user's password. user_name - The
# user's full name. user_optionsurl - The url to the user's option page.
# 
# 
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "No"
#    1 = "Yes"
#    2 = "Full Personalization"
personalize = 1

# Text appended to the bottom of every immediately-delivery message.
# This text can include Python format strings which are resolved against
# list attributes.  The list of substitutions allowed are:
# 
# 
# real_name - The `pretty' name of the list; usually the list name with
# capitalization.
# 
# list_name - The name by which the list is identified in URLs, where
# case is significant.  (For backwards compability, _internal_name is
# equivalent.)
# 
# host_name - The fully qualified domain name that the list server runs
# on.
# 
# web_page_url - The base URL for Mailman.  This can be appended with,
# e.g. listinfo/%(internal_name)s to yield the listinfo page for the
# mailing list.
# 
# description - The brief description of the mailing list.
# 
# info - The full description of the mailing list.
# 
# cgiext - The extension added to CGI scripts.
# 
# 
msg_footer = """_______________________________________________
%(real_name)s site list
%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s"""

## Digest options
#
# Batched-delivery digest characteristics.

# Can list members choose to receive list traffic bunched in digests?
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "No"
#    1 = "Yes"
digestable = 0

## Privacy options
#
# This section allows you to configure subscription and membership
# exposure policy.  You can also control whether this list is public or
# not.  See also the Archival
# Options section for separate archive-related privacy settings.

# Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine?
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "No"
#    1 = "Yes"
advertised = 0

# Confirm (*) - email confirmation required Require approval - require
# list administrator approval for subscriptions Confirm and approve -
# both confirm and approve
# 
# (*) when someone requests a subscription, Mailman sends them a notice
# with a unique subscription request number that they must reply to in
# order to subscribe. This prevents mischievous (or malicious) people
# from creating subscriptions for others without their consent.
#
# legal values are:
#    1 = "Confirm"
#    2 = "Require approval"
#    3 = "Confirm and approve"
subscribe_policy = 2

# When members want to leave a list, they will make an unsubscription
# request, either via the web or via email. Normally it is best for you
# to allow open unsubscriptions so that users can easily remove
# themselves from mailing lists (they get really upset if they can't get
# off lists!).
# 
# For some lists though, you may want to impose moderator approval
# before an unsubscription request is processed.  Examples of such lists
# include a corporate mailing list that all employees are required to be
# members of.
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "No"
#    1 = "Yes"
unsubscribe_policy = 0

# Addresses in this list are banned outright from subscribing to this
# mailing list, with no further moderation required.  Add addresses one
# per line; start the line with a ^ character to designate a regular
# expression match.
ban_list = []

# When set, the list of subscribers is protected by member or admin
# password authentication.
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "Anyone"
#    1 = "List members"
#    2 = "List admin only"
private_roster = 2

# Setting this option causes member email addresses to be transformed
# when they are presented on list web pages (both in text and as links),
# so they're not trivially recognizable as email addresses.  The
# intention is to prevent the addresses from being snarfed up by
# automated web scanners for use by spammers.
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "No"
#    1 = "Yes"
obscure_addresses = 1

## Privacy options
#
# When a message is posted to the list, a series of moderation steps are
# take to decide whether the a moderator must first approve the message
# or not.  This section contains the controls for moderation of both
# member and non-member postings.
# 
# 
Member postings are held for moderation if their moderation
# flag is turned on.  You can control whether member postings are
# moderated by default or not.
# 
# 
Non-member postings can be automatically accepted,
# held for
# moderation, rejected
# (bounced), or discarded, either individually or as a group.  Any posting from a
# non-member who is not explicitly accepted, rejected, or discarded,
# will have their posting filtered by the general
# non-member rules.
# 
# 
In the text boxes below, add one address per line; start the line
# with a ^ character to designate a Python regular
# expression.  When entering backslashes, do so as if you were using
# Python raw strings (i.e. you generally just use a single backslash).
# 
# 
Note that non-regexp matches are always done first.

# Each list member has a moderation flag which says whether messages
# from the list member can be posted directly to the list, or must first
# be approved by the list moderator.  When the moderation flag is turned
# on, list member postings must be approved first.  You, the list
# administrator can decide whether a specific individual's postings will
# be moderated or not.
# 
# When a new member is subscribed, their initial moderation flag takes
# its value from this option.  Turn this option off to accept member
# postings by default.  Turn this option on to, by default, moderate
# member postings first.  You can always manually set an individual
# member's moderation bit by using the membership management screens.
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "No"
#    1 = "Yes"
default_member_moderation = 0

# Hold -- this holds the message for approval by the list moderators.
# 
# Reject -- this automatically rejects the message by sending a bounce
# notice to the post's author.  The text of the bounce notice can be configured by
# you.
# 
# Discard -- this simply discards the message, with no notice sent to
# the post's author.
# 
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "Hold"
#    1 = "Reject"
#    2 = "Discard"
member_moderation_action = 1

# When a post from a non-member is received, the message's sender is
# matched against the list of explicitly accepted,
# held, rejected (bounced), and discarded
# addresses.  If no match is found, then this action is taken.
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "Accept"
#    1 = "Hold"
#    2 = "Reject"
#    3 = "Discard"
generic_nonmember_action = 2

# Should messages from non-members, which are automatically discarded,
# be forwarded to the list moderator?
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "No"
#    1 = "Yes"
forward_auto_discards = 1

## Bounce options
#
# These policies control the automatic bounce processing system in
# Mailman.  Here's an overview of how it works.
# 
# 
When a bounce is received, Mailman tries to extract two pieces of
# information from the message: the address of the member the message
# was intended for, and the severity of the problem causing the bounce.
# The severity can be either hard or soft meaning
# either a fatal error occurred, or a transient error occurred.  When in
# doubt, a hard severity is used.
# 
# 
If no member address can be extracted from the bounce, then the
# bounce is usually discarded.  Otherwise, each member is assigned a
# bounce score and every time we encounter a bounce from this
# member we increment the score.  Hard bounces increment by 1 while soft
# bounces increment by 0.5.  We only increment the bounce score once per
# day, so even if we receive ten hard bounces from a member per day,
# their score will increase by only 1 for that day.
# 
# 
When a member's bounce score is greater than the bounce score
# threshold, the subscription is disabled.  Once disabled, the
# member will not receive any postings from the list until their
# membership is explicitly re-enabled (either by the list administrator
# or the user).  However, they will receive occasional reminders that
# their membership has been disabled, and these reminders will include
# information about how to re-enable their membership.
# 
# 
You can control both the number of
# reminders the member will receive and the frequency with which these reminders are sent.
# 
# 
There is one other important configuration variable; after a
# certain period of time -- during which no bounces from the member are
# received -- the bounce information is considered stale
# and discarded.  Thus by adjusting this value, and the score threshold,
# you can control how quickly bouncing members are disabled.  You should
# tune both of these to the frequency and traffic volume of your list.

# By setting this value to No, you disable all automatic bounce
# processing for this list, however bounce messages will still be
# discarded so that the list administrator isn't inundated with them.
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "No"
#    1 = "Yes"
bounce_processing = 1

## Archive options
#
# List traffic archival policies.

# Is archive file source for public or private archival?
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "public"
#    1 = "private"
archive_private = 1

From barry at python.org  Sat Mar 22 07:00:18 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: 22 Mar 2003 01:00:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updating virtual-mailman Database
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030320093333.00b1e9b8@bama.ua.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030320093333.00b1e9b8@bama.ua.edu>
Message-ID: <1048312818.18777.23.camel@geddy>

On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 10:36, Jeremy Butler wrote:
> I know that one is not supposed to manually edit virtual-mailman, but I've 
> run into a problem where aliases were not deleted when I removed a list and 
> then recreated it again with the same name.
> 
> Consequently, I've got duplicate entires (see below).
> 
> Any suggestions as to what I should do about this?  Thanks!

You can always regenerate your aliases from scratch with bin/genaliases

-Barry

From martin at placerouge.org  Sat Mar 22 12:49:52 2003
From: martin at placerouge.org (Martin Timm)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 12:49:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't start mailman
Message-ID: <24614719.20030322124952@placerouge.org>

Hello,

I need your urgent help. It seems like the server has been shut-down
last night. So mailman stopped. Trying to start mailman again results
in the following message...

./mailmanctl -start
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./mailmanctl", line 524, in ?
    main()
  File "./mailmanctl", line 294, in main
    usage(1, msg)
  File "./mailmanctl", line 133, in usage
    print >> fd, _(__doc__)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 78, in _
    return _translation.gettext(s) % dict
ValueError: unsupported format character '[' (0x5b) at index 1133

Do you have any idea what to do?

-- 
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From barry at python.org  Sat Mar 22 15:44:16 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: 22 Mar 2003 09:44:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim -mailman faq - not working
In-Reply-To: <200303212220.h2LMKDq01572@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>
References: <200303212220.h2LMKDq01572@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>
Message-ID: <1048344256.2346.11.camel@anthem>

On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 17:20, John Swartzentruber wrote:

> I'm not sure I can stretch my memory back to January, but I think the
> issue was that the genaliases script doesn't create a file with the
> aliases in them unless you are using Postfix (presumably with the MTA
> variable set to Postfix). I'm running sendmail and the MTA variable is
> at the default (i.e., Manual). I think the only way to get a list of
> all of the aliases is to capture the output of the genaliases script
> and manually remove the extra comment lines ("To finish creating your
> mailing list . . .").

I've made some updates to genaliases so that Manual should be more
useful.  You can now give it a -q/--quiet flag to supppress the
non-alias instructions.  You would run it like this:

% bin/genaliases -q > /etc/aliases-mailman
% newaliases

-Barry

From johnslists at mcswartz.org  Sat Mar 22 16:11:00 2003
From: johnslists at mcswartz.org (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:11:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim -mailman faq - not working
In-Reply-To: <1048344256.2346.11.camel@anthem>
Message-ID: <200303221511.h2MFB1q08845@arthur.swartz.primatech.com>

On 22 Mar 2003 09:44:16 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote:

>I've made some updates to genaliases so that Manual should be more
>useful.  You can now give it a -q/--quiet flag to supppress the
>non-alias instructions.  You would run it like this:
>
>% bin/genaliases -q > /etc/aliases-mailman
>% newaliases

Great. Thanks.

From barry at python.org  Sat Mar 22 16:39:12 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: 22 Mar 2003 10:39:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1048347552.18881.47.camel@geddy>

On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 17:04, Marilyn Davis wrote:
> I'm still pulling out my hair on this one, and a hairless woman is not
> a pretty thing.

Oh, I don't know about that...

http://go.sciflicks.com/artists/p/persis_khambatta_star_trek_the_motion_picture.jpg

:)

> I figured out that the SMTPDirect thing was going straight out a port
> rather than piping to exim.  This is a standalone machine for
> development and testing.

This is true.  SMTPDirect sends messages over port 25 via the smtplib
module.  Still, if you're running your Exim as a daemon, it should be
possible to configure it to accept only localhost port 25 connections. 
That's what I'd recommend anyway.

> So, in my mm_cfg.py I put:
> 
> DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
> 
> but it didn't fix it.

Are you sure SENDMAIL_CMD points to the right executable?

> How can I get it to use sendmail (linked to exim) instead of the
> SMTPDirect module?

They way you're doing it is the only way, and it ought to work, but you
should be aware of the security issues.  This delivery module goes
through the shell so you have quoting issues and the like to worry
about.

There have been some ideas to fix this.  What I'd like to see is
Sendmail.py fixed to not use the shell, and for smtplib.py to be able to
talk SMTP over stdin/stdout.  But I have no time to work on these
things.

-Barry

From barry at python.org  Sat Mar 22 16:55:36 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: 22 Mar 2003 10:55:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message stuck in a loop & is the main website
	down?
In-Reply-To: <4A43DA4ABF54F1498A66B6DE6D6D1005070DF9@uff-yoda.uff.ufl.edu>
References: <4A43DA4ABF54F1498A66B6DE6D6D1005070DF9@uff-yoda.uff.ufl.edu>
Message-ID: <1048348536.18881.54.camel@geddy>

On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 11:27, Chris Barnett wrote:

> Is there something else I can do or anywhere I can look for more clues?
> The other traffic is minor, but sending duplicates to this number of
> people is a big problem for me.

In addition to your sendmail logs, you can look in log/smtp to see if
you messages are getting through to the SMTPDirect module.

> I tried to search the archives and it appears as though www.list.org is
> down or unreachable from here.  Doesn't even show up in nslookups.

www.list.org had a major meltdown, but it looks to be back up now.

> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>  
> BTW, I'm running Mailman 2.0.8 on RedHat 7.2. 

I'd start by upgrading to 2.0.13 at the very least.
-Barry

From barry at python.org  Sat Mar 22 17:10:51 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: 22 Mar 2003 11:10:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to purge corrupt address
In-Reply-To: <2DC0E380-58B5-11D7-91F0-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
References: <2DC0E380-58B5-11D7-91F0-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <1048349451.18777.65.camel@geddy>

On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 15:15, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> This gave me an idea, since I had a list with a binary email address  
> (how? add_members of a directory instead of a file in the directory.  
> oops).

Here's a thought: since find_members takes a regular expression, you
could do something like

bin/find_members "[^\w\-+ at .%]" listname > file
bin/remove_members -f file listname

You might need to add some other special characters to the regexp...

-Barry

From andre at abrapiv.com.br  Sat Mar 22 17:32:12 2003
From: andre at abrapiv.com.br (Andre Ricardo)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 13:32:12 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error messages using Postfix v.2.0.6
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Ted Dively wrote:

> As my original post says, I *did* this, but I get the exact same error,  
> only with "nobody" and "mailman" reversed. In other words, if I compile  
> for "nobody" it says I should recompile for "mailman", but if I compile  
> for "mailman" it says I should recompile for "nobody". Am I being  
> clear? Man, I sure hope so.

	Ok, you tried to change the group for your postfix daemon? I run
sendmail, and had this message, but when I compiled with the nobody flag
it worked! So tri to put the user mailman in the nobody group, in
/etc/group, or try to change with chgrp postfix to mailman, but remember
the possible security issues of this action.

> 
> Ted Dively
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From dallas at dreamhost.com  Sat Mar 22 19:01:36 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:01:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman with Apache James
In-Reply-To: <3E7BC33A.2010507@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <52D3197B-5C90-11D7-B062-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>

Hi,

I don't know anything about Apache James, but if it doesn't accept  
pipes as aliases, it's probably not going to work with mailman or any  
list server software.

	Dallas

On Friday, March 21, 2003, at 05:58 pm, G?ray Sen wrote:

> Hullo everyone,
>
> Has anyone got Mailman to work with the Apache James mail server? I  
> seem to be running into a configuration problem. After creating the  
> list Test, Mailman tells me to setup the following aliases:
>
> ## test mailing list
> ## created: 21-Mar-2003 root
> test:                    "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
> test-admin:              "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner  
> test"
> test-request:            "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
> test-owner:              test-admin
>
> Easy enough if you are using sendmail, because you can just copy&paste  
> the above into /etc/aliases and run "newaliases". What about James? I  
> can create aliases with the Remote Administrator, but I don't think  
> James supports the piping construct.
>
> Any idea's appreciated.
>
>
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> Searchable Archives:  
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
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From ezk at cs.sunysb.edu  Sat Mar 22 19:25:54 2003
From: ezk at cs.sunysb.edu (Erez Zadok)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 13:25:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one-click accept/reject all?
Message-ID: <200303221825.h2MIPs4x004349@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>

On a number of lists I maintain, most of the messages pending admin approval
are spam to be rejected, or good messages to be approved.  Is there a plan
for mailman to have a one-button-approve-all or one-click-reject-all?  It'll
save time for those who have to moderate/approve a lot of messages daily.

Thanks,
Erez.

From marilyn at deliberate.com  Sat Mar 22 19:57:51 2003
From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:57:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known
In-Reply-To: <1048347552.18881.47.camel@geddy>
Message-ID: 

On 22 Mar 2003, Barry Warsaw wrote:

> On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 17:04, Marilyn Davis wrote:
> > I'm still pulling out my hair on this one, and a hairless woman is not
> > a pretty thing.
> 
> Oh, I don't know about that...
> 
> http://go.sciflicks.com/artists/p/persis_khambatta_star_trek_the_motion_picture.jpg
> 
> :)

Yeh, well she shaved her head, I pull my hair out in clumps.

If this goes on much longer, it'll look the same and I'll be that pretty?

> > I figured out that the SMTPDirect thing was going straight out a port
> > rather than piping to exim.  This is a standalone machine for
> > development and testing.
> 
> This is true.  SMTPDirect sends messages over port 25 via the smtplib
> module.  Still, if you're running your Exim as a daemon, it should be
> possible to configure it to accept only localhost port 25 connections. 
> That's what I'd recommend anyway.

I went back to SMTPDirect and set exim to collect over port 25 but
nothing changed.

> 
> > So, in my mm_cfg.py I put:
> > 
> > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
> > 
> > but it didn't fix it.
> 
> Are you sure SENDMAIL_CMD points to the right executable?

Absolutely.  I can run the mail through using that command.

> 
> > How can I get it to use sendmail (linked to exim) instead of the
> > SMTPDirect module?
> 
> They way you're doing it is the only way, and it ought to work, but you
> should be aware of the security issues.  This delivery module goes
> through the shell so you have quoting issues and the like to worry
> about.

It's hard to care about security on a standalone test machine.

I'm missing something because when I do the Sendmail thing, it still
gets the same error in the smtp log, so I guess it's still doing the
same thing.

I'm going to get the debugger going next.

Thank you for your thoughts on this Barry.  I know you're too busy.

Marilyn

> 
> There have been some ideas to fix this.  What I'd like to see is
> Sendmail.py fixed to not use the shell, and for smtplib.py to be able to
> talk SMTP over stdin/stdout.  But I have no time to work on these
> things.
> 
> -Barry
> 
> 
> 

From jp at warpix.org  Sat Mar 22 20:12:16 2003
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 19:12:16 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updating Sendmail aliases
Message-ID: <20030322191216.C83@warpix.org>

Is there any way to update Sendmail aliases automatically when running 
newlist?

-- 
John

From barry at python.org  Sat Mar 22 20:54:22 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: 22 Mar 2003 14:54:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to purge corrupt address
In-Reply-To: <1048349451.18777.65.camel@geddy>
References: <2DC0E380-58B5-11D7-91F0-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
	 <1048349451.18777.65.camel@geddy>
Message-ID: <1048362862.18881.67.camel@geddy>

On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 15:15, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> This gave me an idea, since I had a list with a binary email address  
> (how? add_members of a directory instead of a file in the directory.  
> oops).

Oh, I should point out one other thing.  I fixed Mailman cvs so that it
would reject non-ascii characters in the email address.  Not in the
realname of course, but only in the email address.

-Barry

From erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at  Sat Mar 22 23:15:28 2003
From: erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at (Erich Neuwirth)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 23:15:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error: site list is missing 
Message-ID: <3E7CE080.6070509@univie.ac.at>

i am installing mailman 2.1.1 from source on debian (with postfix).
at the very last step of the installation,
when i try
bin/mailmanctl start
i get
site list is missing: mailman

can somebody tell me what i am doing wrong?

at that moment, i do not have a list
(but some aliases for lists in the alias file).

do i need to create a list before i can run mailmanctl start?

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sun Mar 23 00:09:29 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:09:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error: site list is missing
In-Reply-To: <3E7CE080.6070509@univie.ac.at>
References: <3E7CE080.6070509@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <20030322230929.GB20233@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Erich Neuwirth wrote:
> i am installing mailman 2.1.1 from source on debian (with postfix).
> at the very last step of the installation,
> when i try
> bin/mailmanctl start
> i get
> site list is missing: mailman
>
> can somebody tell me what i am doing wrong?

Sure, you're not following the INSTALL file's instructions and creating a
site-wide list.  :)

Though in fairness, it does seem that the instruction to create the
site-wide list comes after the instruction to start mailmanctl.  This
has already been changed in CVS, so it should be included in MM 2.1.2 when
that's released.

> do i need to create a list before i can run mailmanctl start?

Yes.  See the docs and the list archives for more details.  Barry posted a
sample config file for the site-wide list not more than 24 hours ago.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward,
then we are a sorry lot indeed.
    -- Albert Einstein

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From erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at  Sun Mar 23 01:53:43 2003
From: erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at (Erich Neuwirth)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 01:53:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade question
Message-ID: <3E7D0597.6030700@univie.ac.at>

i had an old 2.0.5 installation,
and i still have all the lists files and the archives.
i could not do an upgrade in place.

is there an easy way to revive the old lists from these files?
can i just put them in place and run an update so the options if the 
users survive?

i also have dumps and configuration files
done with dumpdb and config_list
can i import these files?

From dwight at significant.com  Sun Mar 23 02:17:54 2003
From: dwight at significant.com (Dwight Ernest)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 20:17:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to purge corrupt address
In-Reply-To: <1048362862.18881.67.camel@geddy>
References: <2DC0E380-58B5-11D7-91F0-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
	<1048349451.18777.65.camel@geddy> <1048362862.18881.67.camel@geddy>
Message-ID: <3E7D0B42.6040202@significant.com>

Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 15:15, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> 
>>This gave me an idea, since I had a list with a binary email address  
>>(how? add_members of a directory instead of a file in the directory.  
>>oops).
> 
> 
> Oh, I should point out one other thing.  I fixed Mailman cvs so that it
> would reject non-ascii characters in the email address.  Not in the
> realname of course, but only in the email address.

That's interesting. It appears to me, though, that realnames with 
certain characters can also cause problems, and might even provide a 
means to do a service denial.

Yesterday I had a complaint from one of our list managers that no 
traffic was getting through the list. I checked, and found exceptions in 
the error log that looked like this:

Mar 21 09:55:32 2003 (19445) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII decoding 
error: ordinal not in range(128)
Mar 21 09:55:32 2003 (19445) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 189, in _dispose
     Replybot.process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Replybot.py", line 106, in process
     subject, text, mlist.preferred_language)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 203, in __init__
     self['Subject'] = Header(subject, charset, header_name='Subject')
   File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 166, in __init__
     self.append(s, charset)
   File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 251, in append
     ustr = unicode(s, incodec)
UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

Mar 21 09:55:32 2003 (19445) SHUNTING: 
1048258532.173237+a971c23a19dece2178fb7b2fa6e056851160771b

I checked the list, and found that (among other things) a member had 
subscribed with a realname like "Fred Smith (Austin)". "Couldn't be the 
parens," I thought. But after looking around to find other possible 
explanations, in vain, I decided to just try removing the " (Austin)" 
part of the realname string. Voila -- after un-shunting, every shunted 
post (30 or so) went through unimpeded.

I've since tried reproducing the error, and I can't. So it's possible 
that something else fixed the problem, though I made no other changes.

--Dwight Ernest

From pascal at dreissen.nl  Sun Mar 23 07:58:08 2003
From: pascal at dreissen.nl (Pascal Dreissen)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:58:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error: site list is missing
References: <3E7CE080.6070509@univie.ac.at>
	<20030322230929.GB20233@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <005e01c2f109$9322b440$6600293d@FSDMN01.ferrinspeers.nl>

Todd,

You have to create a site-wide list called mailman.

/usr/local/mailman/bin/newlist mailman

Met vriendelijke groet / Best regards,

Pascal Dreissen

-- Your mouse has moved. In order for the change to take effect,
Windows must be restarted. Reboot now ? [OK] --

[Linux is like a wigwam: no windows, no gates and Apache inside]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error: site list is missing

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>
> Erich Neuwirth wrote:
> > i am installing mailman 2.1.1 from source on debian (with postfix).
> > at the very last step of the installation,
> > when i try
> > bin/mailmanctl start
> > i get
> > site list is missing: mailman
> >
> > can somebody tell me what i am doing wrong?
>
> Sure, you're not following the INSTALL file's instructions and creating a
> site-wide list.  :)
>
> Though in fairness, it does seem that the instruction to create the
> site-wide list comes after the instruction to start mailmanctl.  This
> has already been changed in CVS, so it should be included in MM 2.1.2 when
> that's released.
>
> > do i need to create a list before i can run mailmanctl start?
>
> Yes.  See the docs and the list archives for more details.  Barry posted a
> sample config file for the site-wide list not more than 24 hours ago.
>
> - --
> Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL:
www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
>
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> If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward,
> then we are a sorry lot indeed.
>     -- Albert Einstein
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From jp at warpix.org  Sun Mar 23 11:00:08 2003
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:00:08 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to list
Message-ID: <20030323100008.P83@warpix.org>

How do you set up a default list so that 'Reply-to' gets set to the list 
itself?

-- 
John

From jp at warpix.org  Sun Mar 23 13:04:13 2003
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:04:13 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives
Message-ID: <20030323120413.R83@warpix.org>

Is there a recommended way of setting up a search facility for archived 
messages?

-- 
John

From pascal at dreissen.nl  Sun Mar 23 13:08:06 2003
From: pascal at dreissen.nl (Pascal Dreissen)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:08:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to list
References: <20030323100008.P83@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <000901c2f134$dd1db420$6400293d@CP28751A>

Hi John,

In the Administration Interface:

General Options - Where are replies to list messages directed?

Greetz!
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Poltorak" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:00 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to list

>
>
> How do you set up a default list so that 'Reply-to' gets set to the list
> itself?
>
> --
> John
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: pascal at dreissen.nl
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/pascal%40dreissen.nl
>

From erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at  Sun Mar 23 13:20:29 2003
From: erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at (Erich Neuwirth)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:20:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reconstructing user options
Message-ID: <3E7DA68D.5010309@univie.ac.at>

i have the dump file from an old list.
i see the user options coded as numbers
in the rane 8 to 12

can somebody tell me what these numbers mean so i can manually
restore the user options?

From jp at warpix.org  Sun Mar 23 13:23:14 2003
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:23:14 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to list
In-Reply-To: <000901c2f134$dd1db420$6400293d@CP28751A>;
	from Pascal Dreissen on Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 01:08:06PM +0100
References: <20030323100008.P83@warpix.org>
	<000901c2f134$dd1db420$6400293d@CP28751A>
Message-ID: <20030323122314.S83@warpix.org>

On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 01:08:06PM +0100, Pascal Dreissen wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> In the Administration Interface:
> 
> General Options - Where are replies to list messages directed?

Is there a way to set it as the default so that new list will be created 
with this setting?

Also, is there a command line way to do it? ie. where is the value 
actually held?

> Greetz!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Poltorak" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:00 AM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to list
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > How do you set up a default list so that 'Reply-to' gets set to the list
> > itself?
> >
> > --
> > John

-- 
John

From david at midrange.com  Sun Mar 23 15:00:45 2003
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:00:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Reply-to list
References: 
	<20030323100008.P83@warpix.org><000901c2f134$dd1db420$6400293d@CP28751A>
	<20030323122314.S83@warpix.org>
Message-ID: 

"John Poltorak"  wrote in message
news:20030323122314.S83 at warpix.org...
> Is there a way to set it as the default so that new list will be created
> with this setting?

Set in mm_cfg.py ...

# Mailman can be configured to "munge" Reply-To: headers for any passing
# messages.  One the one hand, there are a lot of good reasons not to munge
# Reply-To: but on the other, people really seem to want this feature.  See
# the help for reply_goes_to_list in the web UI for links discussing the
# issue.
# 0 - Reply-To: not munged
# 1 - Reply-To: set back to the list
# 2 - Reply-To: set to an explicit value (reply_to_address)
DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 1

From paul at thcwd.com  Sun Mar 23 16:46:53 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:46:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: error: site list is missing 
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030323094432.09a87b28@mail.thcwd.com>

Erich Neuwirth wrote:
>i am installing mailman 2.1.1 from source on debian (with postfix).
>at the very last step of the installation,
>when i try
>bin/mailmanctl start
>i get
>site list is missing: mailman

      The read me does say to create the mailman list, but it does so AFTER 
it says to start mailmanctl.  A bit of a rewrite there, or at least a 
warning about the error, would avoid a lot of confusion.

<>< Paul    "-rw-rw-rw-" ... file permissions of the beast. 

From marena at magnatechonline.com  Thu Mar 20 21:32:56 2003
From: marena at magnatechonline.com (Michael Arena)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:32:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem
Message-ID: <000f01c2ef1f$e40a4c60$0f01a8c0@magnatechonline.com>

Hello,
I am having trouble getting Mailman setup on my Redhat 8.0 machine. I'm
using Python version 2.2.1. I got most of it set up except the archived
messages part. I can admin lists, create lists, and add users to lists but
cannot view archives and Apache keeps giving me a "Symbolic link not
allowed." I followed all the instructions but it doesnt seem to be working.
I added all the following lines to my httpd.conf file as well and still no
good.
********Begin code********************
Alias /pipermail/ "/var/mailman/archives/public/"

    Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
    AllowOverride None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all

********End Code************************

What groups and owners do all the files under /var/mailman/cgi-bin have to
belong to? Do they have to have the same owners/groups as the symbolic links
do?

Thanks for any help you can give,
Mike

From sem at cec.uchile.cl  Thu Mar 20 23:16:54 2003
From: sem at cec.uchile.cl (Sergio Edo. Miranda)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:16:54 -0400 (CLT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with attachments
Message-ID: 

Hi, i'm using mailman2.1 on a box with SOlaris 2.6
When the users send a word attachment you can see it right in the email, 
but mailman archive them in the spool with a .dot suffix, so you can't see 
it right on the web.
Here is an example:
attachments/20030320/8cc56c88/00Acta01-2003.dot

It happens with every word attachment
Any hint?

-- 
Sergio Edo. Miranda            
Area de Ingenieria - CEC     
http://www.syn.cl/sergio
Universidad de Chile         

From ANDY at XLMACHINERY.COM  Fri Mar 21 13:12:28 2003
From: ANDY at XLMACHINERY.COM (ANDY POPKY)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 07:12:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with mailman
Message-ID: 

I could use a little help please

I would like the
 ?to?  to show the actual recipients email address
And the
 ?from? to show the actual senders email address

i am getting the list names in both these lines

What settings should I change?

Thanks
AP

From ezk at cs.sunysb.edu  Fri Mar 21 20:47:24 2003
From: ezk at cs.sunysb.edu (Erez Zadok)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:47:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering Importance headers
Message-ID: <200303211947.h2LJlO2b028092@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>

Is there a way that Mailman can remove certain headers before a message is
posted to a list?  In particular, I want to remove the "Importance" header,
which some posters will set to "high" or "urgent" unnecessarily.  Some MUAs
do all kinds of things users dislike for high-priority mails.

Note: I don't want to reject such posts automatically, b/c their content may
still be valuable, just not as urgent as the sender thinks.

Thanks,
Erez.

From SLEIBTAG at jhuccp.org  Fri Mar 21 20:54:21 2003
From: SLEIBTAG at jhuccp.org (SUSAN LEIBTAG)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:54:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: 

Hi, I run a small (max 400) email group for a nonprofit organization.  I send emails to this group probably about 10 times weekly.  I just need to be able to upload the entire list of of email addresses, and manage that list myself, and send emails to that entire list as often as I need to.

Is your software good for this?  Also, are there any adds that will pop up on the emails?  We want ad-free emails, if at all possible.

thanks for your help
Susan Leibtag

From jonas at freesources.org  Sun Mar 23 17:25:29 2003
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:25:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives
In-Reply-To: <20030323120413.R83@warpix.org>
References: <20030323120413.R83@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <20030323162529.GA1113@freesources.org>

On 23/03/2003 John Poltorak wrote:
> Is there a recommended way of setting up a search facility for archived 
> messages?

I would use lurker (http://lurker.sourceforge.net/). You can use it
instead of pipermail. It's very fast in archiving, searching etc.

bye
 mejo

-- 
Efficiency and progess is ours one more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight

From Brian.Ipsen at andebakken.dk  Sun Mar 23 18:36:22 2003
From: Brian.Ipsen at andebakken.dk (Brian Ipsen)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:36:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail and qmail/vpopmail
Message-ID: 

Hi!

 This subject might have been answered before, but I need to make sure:

I need to create a seperate process/instance for every virtual domain I have
on my server that needs to handle mailing-lists with mailman ?

 Right now I'm using it according to the info found at
http://nav.bandersnatch.org/clues/qmail-vpopmail-mailman.html - but somehow
it annoyes me that I have to create a seperate virtual host for each
mailing-list domain - and the other issue is the process that needs to run
for each domain.

Could the extra virtual domain be avoided using alias ?? Eg. for
domain.com - I would then have to create .qmail files in the virtual domain
directory for (if the list is named "list"):

.qmail-hosting
.qmail-hosting-admin
.qmail-hosting-bounces
.qmail-hosting-confirm
.qmail-hosting-join
.qmail-hosting-leave
.qmail-hosting-owner
.qmail-hosting-request
.qmail-hosting-subscribe
.qmail-hosting-unsubscribe

?? And the contents of e.g. ".qmail-hosting-subscribe" would be:
|preline /home/mailman/listman-domaindir/mailman subscribe list

But is there any way to avoid having 50 mailman processes running for 50
different domains ?

Regards,

/Brian

From jonas at freesources.org  Sun Mar 23 18:56:54 2003
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:56:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cleaning up archives
Message-ID: <20030323175654.GA2569@freesources.org>

Hello,

Is there a clean way to clean up the archives of a list without
removing the list?

bye
 mejo

-- 
Efficiency and progess is ours one more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sun Mar 23 19:07:42 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:07:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cleaning up archives
In-Reply-To: <20030323175654.GA2569@freesources.org>
References: <20030323175654.GA2569@freesources.org>
Message-ID: <20030323180742.GD20233@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Jonas Meurer wrote:
> Is there a clean way to clean up the archives of a list without
> removing the list?

You can edit the list's mbox and then run ~mailman/bin/arch to recreate the
html archives.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
No real social change has ever been brought about without a
revolution....Revolution is but thought carried into action.
    -- Emma Goldman "Anarchism", 1917

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From jonas at freesources.org  Sun Mar 23 19:47:09 2003
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:47:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cleaning up archives
In-Reply-To: <20030323180742.GD20233@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <20030323175654.GA2569@freesources.org>
	<20030323180742.GD20233@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <20030323184709.GB2569@freesources.org>

On 23/03/2003 Todd wrote:
> > Is there a clean way to clean up the archives of a list without
> > removing the list?
> 
> You can edit the list's mbox and then run ~mailman/bin/arch to recreate the
> html archives.

You mean this way:?
rm mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox
touch mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox
rm -r mailman/archives/private/listname/{19*,20*}
mailman/bin/arch listname

is this right?

bye
 mejo

-- 
Efficiency and progess is ours one more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight

From jimpop at rocketship.com  Sun Mar 23 19:55:47 2003
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:55:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cleaning up archives
In-Reply-To: <20030323184709.GB2569@freesources.org>
Message-ID: 

NO!!!!!!  You will loose your archives that way.

This is what I do:

edit mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox  (delete the
posts)
rm -r mailman/archives/private/listname/*
mailman/bin/arch listname

-Jim P.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org]On Behalf
> Of Jonas Meurer
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: Mailman-Users
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] cleaning up archives
>
>
> On 23/03/2003 Todd wrote:
> > > Is there a clean way to clean up the archives of a list without
> > > removing the list?
> >
> > You can edit the list's mbox and then run ~mailman/bin/arch to
> recreate the
> > html archives.
>
> You mean this way:?
> rm mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox
> touch mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox
> rm -r mailman/archives/private/listname/{19*,20*}
> mailman/bin/arch listname>
> is this right?
>
> bye
>  mejo
>
> --
> Efficiency and progess is ours one more
> Now that we have the Neutron bomb
> It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
> Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
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From jonas at freesources.org  Sun Mar 23 20:13:17 2003
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:13:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cleaning up archives
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20030323184709.GB2569@freesources.org>

Message-ID: <20030323191317.GC2569@freesources.org>

On 23/03/2003 Jim Popovitch wrote:
> NO!!!!!!  You will loose your archives that way.
> This is what I do:
> 
> edit mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox  (delete the
> posts)

What's the difference between edit
mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox and deleting all
posts, and rm the file with a touch after that?
I did already backup the archive.

bye
 mejo

-- 
Efficiency and progess is ours one more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight

From wiren at libero.it  Sun Mar 23 02:13:14 2003
From: wiren at libero.it (=?iso-8859-1?Q?wiren@libero.it?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 02:13:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] kernel panic
Message-ID: 

Firstly, many thanks to all the people who took their time to answer me about my mailman + exim question.

Now, the whole thing gets much more interesting...

As a matter of fact, I managed to edit a exim.conf file which is perfectly working with mailman 2.1.5; I followed guidelines into the readme.exim file, made several tries and now it is working.

But there is a little side effect. After half an hour the system is working, it starts getting slower and slower and it ends up with "Aiee, kernel panic"...

I tried a dozen of time. Every time freezes this way, then I try to reboot and it does not. I have to put a floppy, mount the system, re-run LILO and reboot. 

If I do not start mailman, the system goes smoothly. Right now, I am not running mailman and in fact the system is up and running.

BTW, every time I boot the server mailman does not start automatically at boot time. There is a message saying there is a stale master lock and stating I should use mailmanctl with the -s flag. This in fact is the way I use to start mailman, only to get stuck after 30 minutes.

Any idea of what could cause that?

And BTW would you please tell me 

1) where on the disk could I find messages waiting to be processed by mailman? Are there into a single indexed file or are there single files?

2) Can I delete manually lock files when mailman it is not running? I read through the docs and I saw these are files build by the qrunner process to avoid processing at the same time the same mailing list, so I guess while mailman is not running they should not exist... is it correct?

Thank you for your attention.

Wiren

From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk  Sun Mar 23 22:12:41 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:12:41 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives
In-Reply-To: <20030323120413.R83@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030323211221.00ab3b20@pop3.demon.co.uk>

At 12:04 23/03/2003, John Poltorak wrote:

>Is there a recommended way of setting up a search facility for archived
>messages?
>
>
>--
>John

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp

From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com  Sun Mar 23 22:37:38 2003
From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:37:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030323163458.036fb810@mail.lch-assoc.com>

At 02:54 PM 3/21/2003, you wrote:
>Hi, I run a small (max 400) email group for a nonprofit organization.  I 
>send emails to this group probably about 10 times weekly.  I just need to 
>be able to upload the entire list of of email addresses, and manage that 
>list myself, and send emails to that entire list as often as I need to.
>
>Is your software good for this?

Yes, perfect fit.  You can create an "annoucements only or Newsletter" type 
list that only you can post messages to.

>   Also, are there any adds that will pop up on the emails?

No.

>   We want ad-free emails, if at all possible.

Mailman is run on your server, and is not a "sponsored" program that uses 
advertisements.  I assume you are running a Linux-based e-mail server to 
which you can install and interface Mailman.

Larry

>thanks for your help
>Susan Leibtag
>
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From kd5de at nwla.com  Sun Mar 23 22:46:21 2003
From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel Sojka)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:46:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving on up
Message-ID: <3E7E2B2D.7739D64F@nwla.com>

Well I checked the FAQ and didn't find this, recent threads were close
but nothing hit it on the head. I need to move all the list from a
Slackware 7.3 server running mailman 2.0.13 and sendmail 8.11.xx to a
Slackware 8.1 box running sendmail 8.12.8. What issues am I about to
deal with and is there a howto out there that I missed.
							Mel
-- 
System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com
Linux User #25446    Linux 2.4.7

From jimpop at rocketship.com  Sun Mar 23 23:24:03 2003
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:24:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cleaning up archives
In-Reply-To: <20030323191317.GC2569@freesources.org>
Message-ID: 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonas Meurer
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 2:13 PM
>
> What's the difference between edit
> mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox and deleting all
> posts

nothing if you are looking to purge all emails.  It is possible to edit
listname.mbox and remove only some posts (i.e: everything older than 6
months) and recreate the archive from the remaining data.  I mistook your
earlier email to imply that you wanted to retain some data since arch is
used to recreate an archive from an existing .mbox file.

If you want to remove all archives then you can "rm -r
mailman/archives/private/listname*" with no need to run arch.

-Jim P.

From rod at neep.demon.co.uk  Mon Mar 24 05:35:49 2003
From: rod at neep.demon.co.uk (Rod Neep)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 04:35:49 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup an announce list
In-Reply-To: <21560656.20030317121502@earthlink.net>
References: 
 <21560656.20030317121502@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: 

In message <21560656.20030317121502 at earthlink.net>, ghhalley 
 writes
>Jan,
>
>I found the answer off of the Mailman FAQ search engine.  I am in the
>process of implementing this solution.  Below is the link to the
>question 3.11
>
>http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=newsletter%2Fannouncement
>%2Fone-way&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search
>
>Peace,
>George

Hmmm.... OK. I am trying to do the same thing:
create an announcement list.

The FAQ refers to the following:

   Set the member_moderation_action to Reject and add a nice rejection
   notice text to the following text box.  Say something like "this is
   an announcement list, to reach the band, please email band at dom.ain"

   Set the generic_nonmember_action to Reject or Discard.

Those options do not appear to be available in version 2.0.13 (which is 
the latest downloadable version of Mailman).

I have no problem with the other settings in the configuration, but it 
would be nice to be able to (nicely) auto-reject posts to the list by 
those not specified.

Regards
Rod
-- 
Rod Neep

From boettiger at pobox.com  Mon Mar 24 06:05:36 2003
From: boettiger at pobox.com (Adam Boettiger)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:05:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with import questions
Message-ID: 

I have a few questions and spent some time in the archives but didn't find
them, so hoping someone can help:

1. There is no mention that I can see in the admin guide for how to import a
mailing list that is a discussion list, with both digest and 'mail'
subscribers, and maintain delivery settings.

I have two lists ready to import.  I imported the list of addresses that had
individual post delivery settings.  Then I went into general preferences and
changed the default to "All new subscribers in digest format".  Then I
imported the list of subscribers who were in digest delivery.

Unfortunately, it did not take and everyone was imported in individual post
mode.  So the first thing I need to know is how to remove everyone so I can
reimport.  Is there a way to unsubscribe everyone from a list or is the
easiest thing going to be just deleting the list and regenerating it?

2. How does one delete a list from the command line?

3. How does one import a list of addresses that are to be in a specified
delivery format - either digest or individual messages?

4. I had a lot of problems finding answers in the archives for this list,
largely due to navigation.  I'm wondering if there is perhaps a usenet
newsgroup feed for this list or another mailman newsgroup?

Thanks in advance for any help.

AB

From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 24 06:35:00 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:35:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updating Sendmail aliases
In-Reply-To: <20030322191216.C83@warpix.org>
References: <20030322191216.C83@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <131186074046.20030323213500@earthlink.net>

John,

In Mailman 2.1.1 install directory, there are instructions on how
to do this in the README.SENDMAIL  Below is a copy of that info.

INTEGRATING SENDMAIL AND MAILMAN

    David Champion has contributed a recipe for more closely
    integrating Sendmail and Mailman, such that Sendmail will
    automatically recognize and deliver to new mailing lists as they
    are created, without having to manually edit alias tables.

    In the contrib directory, you will find four files

    mm-handler.readme - an explanation of how to set everything up
    mm-handler        - the mail delivery agent (MDA)
    mailman.mc        - a toy configuration file sample
    virtusertable     - a sample for RFC 2142 address exceptions

Hope this is what you want,
Peace
George Halley

From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Mon Mar 24 07:20:56 2003
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:20:56 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup an announce list
In-Reply-To: 
References: <21560656.20030317121502@earthlink.net>

 <21560656.20030317121502@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030324062011.02b8e468@server01>

The latest downloadable version of mailman is 2.1.1, try here:

http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/

cheers

Brian

At 04:35 24/03/2003, Rod Neep wrote:
>In message <21560656.20030317121502 at earthlink.net>, ghhalley 
> writes
>>Jan,
>>
>>I found the answer off of the Mailman FAQ search engine.  I am in the
>>process of implementing this solution.  Below is the link to the
>>question 3.11
>>
>>http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=newsletter%2Fannouncement
>>%2Fone-way&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search
>>
>>Peace,
>>George
>
>Hmmm.... OK. I am trying to do the same thing:
>create an announcement list.
>
>The FAQ refers to the following:
>
>   Set the member_moderation_action to Reject and add a nice rejection
>   notice text to the following text box.  Say something like "this is
>   an announcement list, to reach the band, please email band at dom.ain"
>
>   Set the generic_nonmember_action to Reject or Discard.
>
>Those options do not appear to be available in version 2.0.13 (which is 
>the latest downloadable version of Mailman).
>
>I have no problem with the other settings in the configuration, but it 
>would be nice to be able to (nicely) auto-reject posts to the list by 
>those not specified.
>
>Regards
>Rod
>--
>Rod Neep
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>
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From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk  Mon Mar 24 09:19:42 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:19:42 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updating Sendmail aliases
In-Reply-To: <131186074046.20030323213500@earthlink.net>
References: <20030322191216.C83@warpix.org>
 <20030322191216.C83@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030324081725.03187740@pop3.demon.co.uk>

At 05:35 24/03/2003, ghhalley wrote:
>John,
>
>In Mailman 2.1.1 install directory, there are instructions on how
>to do this in the README.SENDMAIL  Below is a copy of that info.
>
>
>INTEGRATING SENDMAIL AND MAILMAN
>
>     David Champion has contributed a recipe for more closely
>     integrating Sendmail and Mailman, such that Sendmail will
>     automatically recognize and deliver to new mailing lists as they
>     are created, without having to manually edit alias tables.
>
>     In the contrib directory, you will find four files
>
>     mm-handler.readme - an explanation of how to set everything up
>     mm-handler        - the mail delivery agent (MDA)
>     mailman.mc        - a toy configuration file sample
>     virtusertable     - a sample for RFC 2142 address exceptions
>
>
>Hope this is what you want,
>Peace
>George Halley

You could also try this MM patch as an alternative to dgc's Perl 
implementation of a Sendmail mailer:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=644810&group_id=103&atid=300103

From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Mon Mar 24 09:42:37 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:42:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: filtering Importance headers
In-Reply-To: <200303211947.h2LJlO2b028092@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
References: <200303211947.h2LJlO2b028092@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
Message-ID: <20030324084237.GP4928@hq.newdream.net>

On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 02:47:24PM -0500, Erez Zadok wrote:

> Is there a way that Mailman can remove certain headers before a
> message is posted to a list?  In particular, I want to remove the
> "Importance" header, which some posters will set to "high" or
> "urgent" unnecessarily.  Some MUAs do all kinds of things users
> dislike for high-priority mails.
>
> Note: I don't want to reject such posts automatically, b/c their
> content may still be valuable, just not as urgent as the sender
> thinks.

My guess is that the easiest way to do this would be using a simple Perl
script, and pipe incoming messages through this script before they hit
Mailman at all. You could also use Procmail / formail.

AFAIK, there's no way to do this within Mailman itself.

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")

From mike at mcdweb.com  Mon Mar 24 15:30:26 2003
From: mike at mcdweb.com (Mike)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:30:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem
Message-ID: <000c01c2f211$eb0a1eb0$6501a8c0@ptsem.edu>

Hi all, i'm fairly new to using unix servers so this may seem quite newbiesish to you, however every time i try to install mailman i get the error below.   I created the user it said i should reate as well as the directory.  I set the installation directory to allow the user i want to install from, however i still get the error.  If anyone could help i would highly appriciate it.  thanks.

[mike at Lazarus mailman-2.0.13]$ ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.2.1
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for true... /bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... no
configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH

From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Mon Mar 24 16:10:11 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:10:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman hosting services
Message-ID: <3E7F1FD3.60902@mitre.org>

Hello,

This is probably mostly off-topic, so any commercial replies should 
probably go directly to me.

I have been asked to support multiple school PTAs, each with one to 
three mail lists.

Initially, I have started putting together a proposal for setting up a 
computer in a central location that has someone around to reboot it, etc.

However, I would also like to start costing out an option to simply pay 
a web and Mailman hosting service to host all the lists, register the 
domain, etc.  That way there are professionals dedicated to keeping 
Mailman running and it wouldn't all depend on me.

If anyone has good experience with a service and can give me a 
recommendation, I would very much appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Mar 24 16:25:59 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:25:59 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem
In-Reply-To: <000c01c2f211$eb0a1eb0$6501a8c0@ptsem.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030324151742.04318050@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:30 24/03/2003, Mike wrote:
>Hi all, i'm fairly new to using unix servers so this may seem quite 
>newbiesish to you, however every time i try to install mailman i get the 
>error below.   I created the user it said i should reate as well as the 
>directory.  I set the installation directory to allow the user i want to 
>install from, however i still get the error.  If anyone could help i would 
>highly appriciate it.  thanks.
>
>[mike at Lazarus mailman-2.0.13]$ ./configure
>loading cache ./config.cache
>checking for --with-python... no
>checking for python... /usr/bin/python
>checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
>checking Python version... 2.2.1
>checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
>checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
>checking for true... /bin/true
>checking for --without-gcc... no
>checking for gcc... no
>checking for cc... no
>configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH

The problem is that the installation process cannot find a C language 
compiler which will be subsequently needed to run the make install.

If you have a C compiler installed then it may be that it cannot be found 
unless you add the path to it to the PATH environment variable of the user 
you are funning configure as.

Or it may be you need to install the C compiler.

If you need more help then you should identify the type and version of 
Unix-like OS you are running when posting the request for that help.

From andris at pronet.hu  Sun Mar 23 22:12:37 2003
From: andris at pronet.hu (Kardos Andris)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:12:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] International digest problems
Message-ID: <000001c2f180$ef328a90$fd0286d5@spagetti>

Dear developers!

In digests generated by mailman, it is a quiter irritating problem, that
the subject and the sender's email as in the following example are not
correctly handled in non-us email. On a list where people write in
hungarian (french, slovak, etc.) for example, the mail's body is
correctly readable, but not the subject lines. I know what is the
technological backgroud, you don't have to explain why is it so. But you
could support at least the most common subject encoding variants. Do you
think you can do that for the rest of us outside the US?

Thanks a lot,

Andr?s Kardos

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Today's Topics:

   1. =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Szem=2Elyig=2Esz=E1m?=
(=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Moln=E1r_Tam=E1s?=)

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Today's Topics (correctly):

  1. Szem?lyigsz?m (Moln?r Tam?s)

From mayn at stingrayweb.com  Sun Mar 23 20:37:52 2003
From: mayn at stingrayweb.com (Richard Maynard)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:37:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I want to learn python and help
Message-ID: <000701c2f173$b3d97060$cb8f6b0c@ram>

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Mar 24 16:33:42 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:33:42 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup an announce list
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030324062011.02b8e468@server01>
References: 
 <21560656.20030317121502@earthlink.net>

 <21560656.20030317121502@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030324152848.041ab740@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 06:20 24/03/2003, Brian Read wrote:

>The latest downloadable version of mailman is 2.1.1, try here:
>
>http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/

Usually the sourceforge is the best place to get the latest MM.

See: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

You will also find patches for the latest stable release on sourceforge and 
a CVS repository for the current MM development in progress.

>cheers
>
>Brian
>
>
>At 04:35 24/03/2003, Rod Neep wrote:
>>In message <21560656.20030317121502 at earthlink.net>, ghhalley 
>> writes
>>>Jan,
>>>
>>>I found the answer off of the Mailman FAQ search engine.  I am in the
>>>process of implementing this solution.  Below is the link to the
>>>question 3.11
>>>
>>>http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=newsletter%2Fannouncement
>>>%2Fone-way&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search
>>>
>>>Peace,
>>>George
>>
>>Hmmm.... OK. I am trying to do the same thing:
>>create an announcement list.
>>
>>The FAQ refers to the following:
>>
>>   Set the member_moderation_action to Reject and add a nice rejection
>>   notice text to the following text box.  Say something like "this is
>>   an announcement list, to reach the band, please email band at dom.ain"
>>
>>   Set the generic_nonmember_action to Reject or Discard.
>>
>>Those options do not appear to be available in version 2.0.13 (which is 
>>the latest downloadable version of Mailman).
>>
>>I have no problem with the other settings in the configuration, but it 
>>would be nice to be able to (nicely) auto-reject posts to the list by 
>>those not specified.
>>
>>Regards
>>Rod
>>--
>>Rod Neep

From b at grabbarna.nu  Mon Mar 24 17:06:02 2003
From: b at grabbarna.nu (Jan Banan)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:06:02 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Set default to not send welcome letter
Message-ID: 

Hi,

Is it possible to set the default for a list to not send out a welcome 
letter to new subscribers added under "Membership Management - Mass
Subscription"? 

(I'm sure I otherwise will forget to mark "No" on "Send welcome 
messages to new subscribees?" everytime I add people manually.)

      Regards / JB

From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com  Mon Mar 24 17:20:54 2003
From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:20:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Set default to not send welcome letter
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030324111954.0379b0d0@mail.lch-assoc.com>

At 11:06 AM 3/24/2003, Jan Banan wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Is it possible to set the default for a list to not send out a welcome
>letter to new subscribers added under "Membership Management - Mass
>Subscription"?

Under "General Options", "Send welcome message to newly subscribed 
members?", with a "yes" or "no" 

That sets the default.

Larry

>(I'm sure I otherwise will forget to mark "No" on "Send welcome
>messages to new subscribees?" everytime I add people manually.)
>
>       Regards / JB

From mclark at cdtmail.org  Mon Mar 24 21:21:38 2003
From: mclark at cdtmail.org (Michael Clark)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:21:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install documentation wrong, out of order
Message-ID: 

I installed Mailman from source, downloaded from 
http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz . The bulleted steps in Step 4 
"Final system set-up" are slightly out of order. Could the bullet 
labelled "Create a "site-wide" mailing list" be moved to be before 
"Start the Mailman qrunner daemon?" Thanks, Michael

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From mjb at cs.utah.edu  Mon Mar 24 21:34:32 2003
From: mjb at cs.utah.edu (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:34:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved posters, accept_these_nonmembers
Message-ID: <20030324203432.C259DE0670@vitesse.cs.utah.edu>

While digging around in the FAQ and the archive, it seems there are many
references to setting 'accept_these_nonmembers' to a regular expression.
Does this actually work, and if so, can anyone provide a working example
for Mailman 2.1.1 we are running?

I'm assuming that one feature of majordomo, the ability to have approved
posting addresses included from a file with a list of addresses or the
name of another list, does not have an equivalent in mailman.  Is this
correct?

mjb.

From rod at neep.demon.co.uk  Mon Mar 24 21:52:08 2003
From: rod at neep.demon.co.uk (Rod Neep)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:52:08 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup an announce list
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030324152848.041ab740@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
References: 
 <21560656.20030317121502@earthlink.net>

 <21560656.20030317121502@earthlink.net>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20030324062011.02b8e468@server01>
 <5.1.1.6.0.20030324152848.041ab740@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: 

In message <5.1.1.6.0.20030324152848.041ab740 at ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>, 
Richard Barrett  writes
>At 06:20 24/03/2003, Brian Read wrote:
>
>>The latest downloadable version of mailman is 2.1.1, try here:
>>
>>http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/
>
>Usually the sourceforge is the best place to get the latest MM.
>
>See: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103
>
>You will also find patches for the latest stable release on sourceforge 
>and a CVS repository for the current MM development in progress.

We are a tiny bit cautious about upgrading from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 on a 
live system.

Are there any problems, or advice on things to be careful of?

Regards
Rod
-- 
Rod Neep

From bash at twignation.com  Mon Mar 24 21:56:56 2003
From: bash at twignation.com (b. ash)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:56:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private archive problem
Message-ID: <3E7F7118.8000306@twignation.com>

Hi,

I am having trouble with the private archives,  I keep getting these 
messages, the path is definitely correct, check_perms is okay, and 
httpd.conf seems okay, with its two entries.

Any ideas

# error message below:

Archive File Not Found
No file /tcpp-announce/ 
(/research/common/mailman-2.0.13/archives/private/tcpp-announce/)

From rod at neep.demon.co.uk  Mon Mar 24 22:22:38 2003
From: rod at neep.demon.co.uk (Rod Neep)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:22:38 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private archive problem
In-Reply-To: <3E7F7118.8000306@twignation.com>
References: <3E7F7118.8000306@twignation.com>
Message-ID: 

In message <3E7F7118.8000306 at twignation.com>, b. ash 
 writes
>Hi,
>
>I am having trouble with the private archives,  I keep getting these 
>messages, the path is definitely correct, check_perms is okay, and 
>httpd.conf seems okay, with its two entries.
>
>Any ideas
>
># error message below:
>
>Archive File Not Found
>No file /tcpp-announce/ 
>(/research/common/mailman-2.0.13/archives/private/tcpp-announce/)
>

I would be very interested in seeing a reply to this, as I have the same 
problem but in reverse!

If a list is set to "private" archives then all is OK
http://www.british-genealogy.com/mailman/private/[list-name]/

If a list is set to "public" then it results in a 404 URL not found.
http://www.british-genealogy.com/pipermail/[list-name]/

Regards
Rod
-- 
Rod Neep

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon Mar 24 22:37:29 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:37:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install documentation wrong, out of order
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030324213729.GQ20233@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Michael Clark wrote:
> I installed Mailman from source, downloaded from 
> http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz . The bulleted steps in Step 4 
> "Final system set-up" are slightly out of order. Could the bullet 
> labelled "Create a "site-wide" mailing list" be moved to be before 
> "Start the Mailman qrunner daemon?"

This is already fixed in CVS:

    http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/INSTALL?rev=2.24&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup

Barry's quick! (in a good way ;-)

- -- 
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From abid at nacla.org  Mon Mar 24 23:03:29 2003
From: abid at nacla.org (abid)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:03:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface
Message-ID: 

I believe I installed mailman correctly,  I can create a list and add member
from the shell.  I can't seem to figure out how to use the webaccess.  I did
as install notes told me.  My data files are in /usr/local/mailman.  The
user is in /home/mailman.  What URL do I go to administer mailman.  Any info
would be greatly appreciated.

TIA
AB

From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org  Mon Mar 24 23:06:17 2003
From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:06:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Plain Text
Message-ID: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA6091221E35E@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org>

We have a RedHat 8.0 Linux server running the latest version of Mailman atop
a Sendmail MTA. Whenever I send a message to a mailing list, it always
arrives to the recipients in plain text, even when I'm using another font. I
compose the messages in Outlook usually, and want to be able to use
different colored backgrounds, different fonts, etc. Can I do this with
Mailman? 

From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com  Mon Mar 24 23:15:12 2003
From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:15:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030324171237.0371cb80@mail.lch-assoc.com>

At 05:03 PM 3/24/2003, abid wrote:
>I believe I installed mailman correctly,  I can create a list and add member
>from the shell.  I can't seem to figure out how to use the webaccess.  I did
>as install notes told me.  My data files are in /usr/local/mailman.  The
>user is in /home/mailman.  What URL do I go to administer mailman.  Any info
>would be greatly appreciated.

You should be able to go to http://www.yourdomain.com/mailman/admin/list_name

If you added yourself to the list, you should have received an e-mail with 
the link to your web maintenance page.  If not, you need to verify that 
Mailman is running -- use a  ps auxww|grep mailman to verify it is running.

Larry

>TIA
>AB

From tph3 at cornell.edu  Tue Mar 25 00:11:01 2003
From: tph3 at cornell.edu (Tom Hanna)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:11:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Before Upgrading from 2.1b6 to 2.1.1
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030324173249.03c02728@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu>

Hi, good people,
Looks like the community is highly focused on and motivated about the 2.1.1 
version.

I do the day-to-day Mailman list management and list creation. I do not do 
the installs. I championed a recent upgrade, and need your input:

We have a linux/POSTFIX server, and our upgrade from the late 1.xx on a 
linux/sendmail server to 2.1b6 on linux/postfix server was, according to my 
key person, "non-trivial."  Therefore I hesitate to ask for the upgrade 
from 2.1b6 to 2.1.1.  Can users and guiders tell me:

1. How valuable is it to move up from 2.1b6 to 2.1.1, given our POSTFIX 
environment on a linux box?

2. In the operational setting, is the upgrade install from 2.1b6 POSTFIX to 
2.1.1 POSTFIX trivial?  Or non-trivial? Please explain. (Don't want to 
overload my most valuable colleague! ;)

ICYAW*, I found 186 recent postfix queries on this list on version 
upgrades, and this is way more than I can sift to answer my own questions.

TIA
Tom

*In Case You Are Wondering

From nneul at umr.edu  Tue Mar 25 00:20:24 2003
From: nneul at umr.edu (Nathan Neulinger)
Date: 24 Mar 2003 17:20:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved posters, accept_these_nonmembers
In-Reply-To: <20030324203432.C259DE0670@vitesse.cs.utah.edu>
References: <20030324203432.C259DE0670@vitesse.cs.utah.edu>
Message-ID: <1048548024.20898.35.camel@cessna.rollanet.org>

There is a patch I submitted on the sf page that should allow you to
specify "include the members of this other list" as an approved poster.

As far as I know, using regex patterns in those fields works fine. 

-- Nathan

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 14:34, Mark J. Bradakis wrote:
> While digging around in the FAQ and the archive, it seems there are many
> references to setting 'accept_these_nonmembers' to a regular expression.
> Does this actually work, and if so, can anyone provide a working example
> for Mailman 2.1.1 we are running?
> 
> I'm assuming that one feature of majordomo, the ability to have approved
> posting addresses included from a file with a list of addresses or the
> name of another list, does not have an equivalent in mailman.  Is this
> correct?
> 
> mjb.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: nneul at umr.edu
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From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net  Tue Mar 25 02:07:50 2003
From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:07:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Before Upgrading from 2.1b6 to 2.1.1
In-Reply-To: 
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030324173249.03c02728@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu>; from
	tph3@cornell.edu on Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 06:11:01PM -0500
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030324173249.03c02728@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <20030324200750.A32673@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Tom Hanna (tph3 at cornell.edu) wrote:
> 1. How valuable is it to move up from 2.1b6 to 2.1.1, given our POSTFIX 
> environment on a linux box?

I'd say very valuable given 2.1.1 is the stable version with many fixes,
security fixes included.  Plus the version supported by the list.

> 2. In the operational setting, is the upgrade install from 2.1b6 POSTFIX to 
> 2.1.1 POSTFIX trivial?  Or non-trivial? Please explain. (Don't want to 
> overload my most valuable colleague! ;)

My upgrade from 2.0.13 -> 2.1.1 was non-trivial.  If you install on-top of
your previous install, make sure your aliases are correct.  And I believe
there were a number of questions on the list about the auto generation of
aliases for postfix with 2.1 (which is very nice by the way, once you get
all the little bugs worked out).  Mainly the big problem is a permission
issue with the alias file.  Not really too hard to fix.

If your going to install to another location, 'bin/dumpdb' might save you a
bit of work.

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From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Tue Mar 25 02:28:54 2003
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:28:54 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] International digest problems
References: <000001c2f180$ef328a90$fd0286d5@spagetti>
Message-ID: <3E7FB0D6.2020207@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

What version are you using ? Mailman 2.1.1 can handle
non-ascii TOC, I believe.

Kardos Andris wrote:
> Dear developers!
> 
> In digests generated by mailman, it is a quiter irritating problem, that
> the subject and the sender's email as in the following example are not
> correctly handled in non-us email. On a list where people write in
> hungarian (french, slovak, etc.) for example, the mail's body is
> correctly readable, but not the subject lines. I know what is the
> technological backgroud, you don't have to explain why is it so. But you
> could support at least the most common subject encoding variants. Do you
> think you can do that for the rest of us outside the US?
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> 
> Andr?s Kardos
> 
> ------------------------
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>    1. =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Szem=2Elyig=2Esz=E1m?=
> (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Moln=E1r_Tam=E1s?=)
> 
> ------------------------
> 
> Today's Topics (correctly):
> 
>   1. Szem?lyigsz?m (Moln?r Tam?s)
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/

From kenneth at drosera.be  Tue Mar 25 08:24:13 2003
From: kenneth at drosera.be (kenneth at drosera.be)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:24:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive path
Message-ID: <1048577053.3e80041d142cd@webmail.drosera.be>

Hello all,

I have a setup using Mailman 2.1 and have the following situation:

List-Id: the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) 
List-Unsubscribe: ,

List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: ,

As you can see the "List-Archive" line point to the hostname and not the 
the "list domain".

How do I fix this ?
I tried modifying mm_cfg.py to no avail as I only seem to break the program.

kind regards,

Kenneth.

From kenneth at drosera.be  Tue Mar 25 08:30:19 2003
From: kenneth at drosera.be (kenneth at drosera.be)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:30:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] date header missing in digest
Message-ID: <1048577419.3e80058bd29b1@webmail.drosera.be>

Hello,

Using mailman 2.1 does anybody else also have the problem of missing date 
headers in the digest ?

The individual messages sent out DO contain a date, but I think by looking at 
these that it is the original date supplied by the sender.
Now the digests do not contain that date.

How do I add this ?

It is rather stupid because if I accidentely sort my mailbox on date then all 
digests are either on top or all at the bottom of the list, making an overview 
impossible.

kind regards,

Kenneth.

PS: if anybody knows where and how I could add 'Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset="iso-8859-1"' to be included in each and every digest then please let 
me know as well.
Previous suggestions never worked.

From martin at zeroscale.com  Tue Mar 25 10:01:37 2003
From: martin at zeroscale.com (Dr. T)
Date: 25 Mar 2003 10:01:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password reset?
Message-ID: <1048582898.3700.9.camel@marge>

Hi,

hosting a few mailinglists with mailman i have forgotten the password
for one mailinglist. how can i reset a mailinglist admin password? using
version 2.0.11-1woody5.

thanks for your help!

cheers,

martin

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Mar 25 12:01:07 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:01:07 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive path
In-Reply-To: <1048577053.3e80041d142cd@webmail.drosera.be>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030325105902.0463bc90@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 07:24 25/03/2003, kenneth at drosera.be wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I have a setup using Mailman 2.1 and have the following situation:
>
>List-Id: the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) 
>List-Unsubscribe: ,
>         
>List-Archive: 
>List-Post: 
>List-Help: 
>List-Subscribe: ,
>         
>
>As you can see the "List-Archive" line point to the hostname and not the
>the "list domain".
>
>How do I fix this ?
>I tried modifying mm_cfg.py to no avail as I only seem to break the program.
>
>
>kind regards,
>
>Kenneth.

Try using $prefix/bin/fix_url.py

Its help says:

 > bin/fix_url.py --help
Reset a list's web_page_url attribute to the default setting.

This script is intended to be run as a bin/withlist script, i.e.

% bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname [options]

Options:
     -u urlhost
     --urlhost=urlhost
         Look up urlhost in the virtual host table and set the web_page_url and
         host_name attributes of the list to the values found.  This
         essentially moves the list from one virtual domain to another.

         Without this option, the default web_page_url and host_name values are
         used.

     -v / --verbose
         Print what the script is doing.

If run standalone, it prints this help text and exits.

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Mar 25 12:08:00 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:08:00 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password reset?
In-Reply-To: <1048582898.3700.9.camel@marge>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030325110618.04633da0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 09:01 25/03/2003, Dr. T wrote:
>Hi,
>
>hosting a few mailinglists with mailman i have forgotten the password
>for one mailinglist. how can i reset a mailinglist admin password? using
>version 2.0.11-1woody5.
>
>thanks for your help!
>
>cheers,
>
>martin

You should be able to access the list's web GUI admin page using the site 
password. You should then be able to reset the list's admin password.

From jp at warpix.org  Tue Mar 25 12:11:03 2003
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:11:03 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why qrunner?
Message-ID: <20030325111103.Y83@warpix.org>

Why do I need to run qrunner?

Isn't there any mechanism to send msgs out as soon as they are ready?

I've used Majordomo for a number of years and that sends mail out through 
sendmail immediately after is as been processed. I don't understand why it 
needs to be queued by Mailman... Or is there any optional setting?

-- 
John

From linux at mostert.nom.za  Tue Mar 25 13:37:02 2003
From: linux at mostert.nom.za (Mozzi)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:37:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade problem
Message-ID: <200303251437.02965.linux@mostert.nom.za>

Hi all
I upgraded mailman to 2.1.1 and get the following error

sh: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: No such file or directory
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 127

I kept the install directory /home/mailman

Tnx

Mozzi

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Mar 25 16:00:33 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:00:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade problem
In-Reply-To: <200303251437.02965.linux@mostert.nom.za>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030325145353.04497b38@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 12:37 25/03/2003, Mozzi wrote:
>Hi all
>I upgraded mailman to 2.1.1 and get the following error
>
>sh: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: No such file or directory
>554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 127
>
>I kept the install directory /home/mailman
>
>
>Tnx
>
>Mozzi

Mailman 2.1.1 installs a file, the mail delivery security wrapper, at 
$exec-prefix/mail/wrapper. If you have taken the defaults then 
$exec-prefix/mail/wrapper is also $prefix/mail/wrapper, by default 
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper.

If that file not present, which is what the error message says, then you 
need to review and possibly redo your installation of 2.1.1, checking for 
errors and warnings during the ./configure and make install

From sozler82 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 25 16:51:10 2003
From: sozler82 at yahoo.com (Serdar Ozler)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:51:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] members_posting_only
Message-ID: <20030325155110.44493.qmail@web14405.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to use mailman in my web site, but I have a
problem with the posting restrictions. I want to make
only the members be able to post messages. I set the
members_posting_only to Yes and it works great.
However, I want all other messages (coming from
non-members) to be automatically discarded without
waiting for my approval.

I cannot find the related configuration option. Where
can I set that?

Thanks.

=====
Serdar Ozler
http://efsane.sitebest.com
http://qtopia.sitebest.com

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From rhorer at swbell.net  Tue Mar 25 16:51:20 2003
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:51:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Plain Text
In-Reply-To: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA6091221E35E@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org>
References: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA6091221E35E@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org>
Message-ID: <200303250951.21047.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Monday 24 March 2003 16:06, Staven Bruce wrote:
> We have a RedHat 8.0 Linux server running the latest version of
> Mailman atop a Sendmail MTA. Whenever I send a message to a mailing
> list, it always arrives to the recipients in plain text, even when
> I'm using another font. I compose the messages in Outlook usually,
> and want to be able to use different colored backgrounds, different
> fonts, etc. Can I do this with Mailman?

Staven, don't take the following comments personally.

Although I would strongly discourage you from sending HTML email (it's 
annoying, usually unnecessary, and most competent sysadmins consider it 
a security hazard), if you really, *really* want to pass HTML through 
your mailing list you should have a look at the content filtering 
settings for your list.  convert_html_to_plaintext defaults to on (for 
good reason).  You should also check with your Exchange administrator 
to see whether the Exchange server is the one converting to plain text 
(again, for good reason).  Bear in mind that even if you change your 
Mailman and Exchange settings, there is no guarantee the recipient will 
view the HTML -- I have my MUA configured to show only plain text due 
to security and spam control considerations.

Kyle
-- 
It is better to know nothing than to have learned nothing.
                               -fortune cookie proverb

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Mar 25 16:57:41 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:57:41 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why qrunner?
In-Reply-To: <20030325111103.Y83@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030325151126.03f0cd50@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 11:11 25/03/2003, John Poltorak wrote:

>Why do I need to run qrunner?

Because that's the way Mailman works.

>Isn't there any mechanism to send msgs out as soon as they are ready?

Try upgrading to MM 2.1.1 where the runner operates as a daemon rather than 
the cron script qrunner used by MM 2.0.x

>I've used Majordomo for a number of years and that sends mail out through
>sendmail immediately after is as been processed. I don't understand why it
>needs to be queued by Mailman... Or is there any optional setting?
>
>
>--
>John
>

Sending out mail to list members is just the end of a series of pipelined 
activities. The pipeline is defined in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py

When the MTA delivers incoming mail to Mailman it is injected, with minimal 
processing, into the incoming queue. This avoid problems with mail delivery 
to MM being timed out by the delivering MTA because of delays due to 
excessive processing during delivery. It means that incoming mail is not 
likely to be baulked out of delivery because of high system load.

The contents of the incoming mail queue are processed through te pipeline. 
Arguably, the large majority of the processing of messages through the 
pipeline is CPU bound so that serial processing of messages in the queue is 
probably a good choice; no point in starting up lots of processes, each 
handling a single message, so that they can create context switching 
overhead as they compete for the CPU and locks on mutable list-related data.

On a heavily loaded mail list server there is every point in avoiding 
excessive concurrency in message processing and the resource wastage that 
this can induce.

On a lightly loaded system the delays due to the qrunner architecture are 
pretty much irrelevant on MM 2.0.x and not-existent on MM 2.1.1

That's my take on the issue but I could be wrong ...

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Mar 25 17:32:45 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:32:45 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup an announce list
In-Reply-To: 
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030324152848.041ab740@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

 <21560656.20030317121502@earthlink.net>

 <21560656.20030317121502@earthlink.net>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20030324062011.02b8e468@server01>
 <5.1.1.6.0.20030324152848.041ab740@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
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At 20:52 24/03/2003, Rod Neep wrote:
>In message <5.1.1.6.0.20030324152848.041ab740 at ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>, 
>Richard Barrett  writes
>>At 06:20 24/03/2003, Brian Read wrote:
>>
>>>The latest downloadable version of mailman is 2.1.1, try here:
>>>
>>>http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/
>>
>>Usually the sourceforge is the best place to get the latest MM.
>>
>>See: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103
>>
>>You will also find patches for the latest stable release on sourceforge 
>>and a CVS repository for the current MM development in progress.
>
>We are a tiny bit cautious about upgrading from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 on a live 
>system.
>
>Are there any problems, or advice on things to be careful of?
>
>Regards
>Rod
>--
>Rod Neep

I'm probably not the ideal person to ask about this. I have the benefit of 
a backup server which I use to rehearse MM upgrades and correct problems 
before doing the real thing on our dedicated primary MM server. I need to 
do that as I use/maintain a number of MM upgrade patches and need to 
produce upgraded versions of those when new MM releases come out.

I also use a Sendmail mailer (patch #644810) rather than maintaining a file 
of mail aliases. I guess one of the big changes from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 is the 
revised mail aliases for each list and so I didn't have to deal with that.

My own experience with the 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 upgrade was that at a basic 
level it was trouble free. I just read the INSTALL and UPGRADE documents 
and got on with it.. I tend to take the view that it has to be done and it 
will not get any easier by waiting. MM 2.1.1 has some nice extra features 
which I wanted the benefit of them. That said I only ran the beta versions 
of 2.1 on my backup machine on test; I'm not that keen to risk beta 
software for production use.

I suggest a post to the mailman-users list asking about risk/experience on 
the upgrade to 2.1.1 will be more useful than any further comment from me.

Best of luck

Richard
.

From news at bronson.de  Tue Mar 25 17:38:08 2003
From: news at bronson.de (Nik Engel)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:38:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030319160145.044b7e28@127.0.0.1>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030319115510.043930a0@127.0.0.1>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030319103011.00b0e4b0@127.0.0.1>
	<20030319001012.GU1680@slums.de> <20030319001012.GU1680@slums.de>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030319103011.00b0e4b0@127.0.0.1>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030319115510.043930a0@127.0.0.1>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030319160145.044b7e28@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <20030325163808.GG30028@slums.de>

* Steven Bonisteel  [030319 22:10]: 
> >And for what is the Virtual hosts parameter for, only for the
> >Websettings or also for the outgoing Mails ?
> 
> The VIRTUAL_HOSTS entries in mm_cfg.py defines "virtual" domains 
> affecting mail *and* Web hosts.

Ok, still no succsess: 

I want very simple all on one page, meaning all lists should be on the
same page. 

my mm_cfg.py

-------------------- snip -------------------- 
##############################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
# # See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.            #
#
# DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'deadnet.de'
# DEFAULT_URL       = 'http://deadnet.de/mailman/'
# IMAGE_LOGOS       = '/doc/mailman/images/'
# USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0
# DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0
#
# MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
#
# PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail'
# PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/cgi-bin/mailman/private'
#
# # Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from
# mm_cfg, but you
# # didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.
#
# ###########
# #VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'slums.de':'slums.de,
# #               'deadnet.de':'deadnet.de'}
# #VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 1
# ##########

-------------------- snip -------------------- 
As you can see I have 3 Lists. But now when I create a list which
doesn't belong to the main domain, deadnet.de -> mailman doesn't work. 
Yes I can receive Mail for this domain. even in the maillogs there is
the right command executed, but mailman ignores it.... 

> config_list allows you to assign a list to a virtual MAIL host (which 
> would be automatic if you used the Web interface).
> 
> Regards,
> SRB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Steve Bonisteel
> The Web Paving Company Ltd.
> Phone: 613-531-0479
> Fax  : 613-545-9148
> 
> 

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue Mar 25 18:08:24 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:08:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade problem
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030325145353.04497b38@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
References: <200303251437.02965.linux@mostert.nom.za>
	<5.1.1.6.0.20030325145353.04497b38@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20030325170824.GD10068@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Richard Barrett wrote:
> Mailman 2.1.1 installs a file, the mail delivery security wrapper, at 
> $exec-prefix/mail/wrapper. If you have taken the defaults then 
> $exec-prefix/mail/wrapper is also $prefix/mail/wrapper, by default 
> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper.

Are you sure about that Richard?  My 2.1.1 installs have it as

    $exec-prefix/mail/mailman
                      ^^^^^^^

But I don't use sendmail so I normally pay no attention to the smrsh stuff.

- -- 
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From dallas at dreamhost.com  Tue Mar 25 18:29:37 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:29:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] members_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <20030325155110.44493.qmail@web14405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5A7904E0-5EE7-11D7-A7C9-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>

In Mailman 2.1.1, look in the Privacy Options and Sender Filters.

	Dallas

On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 07:51 am, Serdar Ozler wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to use mailman in my web site, but I have a
> problem with the posting restrictions. I want to make
> only the members be able to post messages. I set the
> members_posting_only to Yes and it works great.
> However, I want all other messages (coming from
> non-members) to be automatically discarded without
> waiting for my approval.
>
> I cannot find the related configuration option. Where
> can I set that?
>
> Thanks.
>
> =====
> Serdar Ozler
> http://efsane.sitebest.com
> http://qtopia.sitebest.com
>
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From dallas at dreamhost.com  Tue Mar 25 18:35:02 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:35:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup an announce list
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030325160309.0463bc90@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1C3341A8-5EE8-11D7-A7C9-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>

On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 08:32 am, Richard Barrett wrote:

>> We are a tiny bit cautious about upgrading from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 on a 
>> live system.
>>
>> Are there any problems, or advice on things to be careful of?
>>
>> Regards
>> Rod

My experience my be a little unique because I actually upgraded from 
Mailman 1.1 to 2.1.1, but I did run into some problems.  About 1/3 of 
my lists didn't upgrade properly for some reason so I ended up sort of 
painfully reconstructing them from the information I did have.  I'd 
suggest dumping the configurations of all your lists before you start 
just to make sure recovery is relatively easy.

	Dallas

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Mar 25 18:44:49 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:44:49 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade problem
In-Reply-To: <20030325170824.GD10068@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030325145353.04497b38@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
 <200303251437.02965.linux@mostert.nom.za>
 <5.1.1.6.0.20030325145353.04497b38@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030325174240.0461aa40@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 17:08 25/03/2003, Todd wrote:

>Richard Barrett wrote:
> > Mailman 2.1.1 installs a file, the mail delivery security wrapper, at
> > $exec-prefix/mail/wrapper. If you have taken the defaults then
> > $exec-prefix/mail/wrapper is also $prefix/mail/wrapper, by default
> > /home/mailman/mail/wrapper.
>
>Are you sure about that Richard?  My 2.1.1 installs have it as
>
>     $exec-prefix/mail/mailman

You are indeed correct. I was thinking of 2.0.13 and looking at the wrong 
machine; the one running 2.0.13

>                       ^^^^^^^
>
>But I don't use sendmail so I normally pay no attention to the smrsh stuff.
>
>- --
>Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
>============================================================================
>Why does a slight tax increase cost you two hundred dollars and a
>substantial tax cut save you thirty cents?
>     -- Peg Bracken

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Mar 25 19:03:23 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:03:23 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade problem
In-Reply-To: <200303251437.02965.linux@mostert.nom.za>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030325175142.03f0cf80@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 12:37 25/03/2003, Mozzi wrote:
>Hi all
>I upgraded mailman to 2.1.1 and get the following error
>
>sh: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: No such file or directory
>554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 127
>
>I kept the install directory /home/mailman
>
>
>Tnx
>
>Mozzi

Having been accurately told that my earlier response to you query was 
nonsensense, the question is what is trying to run /home/mailman/mail/wrapper.

With MM 2.0.13 this is what is embedded in the mail aliases so that your 
MTA could pipe new messages into Mailman. MM 2.1.1 uses a new script called 
mailman for delivering to Mailman.

Have you run  bin/genaliases  per the UPGRADE instructions to regenerate 
you mail aliases, rebuilt your aliases database and such?

From gsiegfried at wsipc.org  Tue Mar 25 19:05:50 2003
From: gsiegfried at wsipc.org (Gregg Siegfried)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:05:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.1 directory creation, BSD
Message-ID: <9A72CA511618D4119E300008C78C823A0357F4F5@dilbert.wsipc.org>

I have a recently upgraded 2.1.1 installation on an openbsd 3.0 machine.
My 2.0.x installation stripped attachments from all messages, so this
did not come up.  In this instance, there has been a request from list
owners to allow attachments..

The first problem I'm having: When the scubber attempts to create the
directories under archives/private//attachments, the chmod(2775)
at line 332 (Scrubber.py) fails, resulting in the message being shunted.

BSD systems, of course, do not require the setgid bit on directories to
inherit the group ownership.  However, the instruction in README.BSD
does not affect these calls - setgid on directories seems to be fairly
well ingrained.

To be honest, I don't know why the chmod is failing - the qrunners are
running as the mailman uid/gid, and all the necessary directories are
owned by mailman.]

After the message is processed and shunted, I can run check_perms and
get this:

directory permissions must be 02775:
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/testlist/attachments/20030325
directory permissions must be 02775:
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/testlist/attachments/20030325/18970e
0c

If I run check_perms -f and then unshunt the message, it delivers fine.

A different, but possibly related, problem I'm having with attachments:
After unshunting and delivering these messages, I am finding in the
archives that the files are being stored improperly.  In particular, my
.pdf files are being stored in the archives as .exe files. (?)  On the
lists themselves, however, the attachments are being delivered properly.

I had been running 2.0.x for a year or so, and have a fair bit of
experience with it.  I've installed & configured another 2.1.1
installation on one other box, an OSX machine, and experienced none of
these issues.

MTA is postfix, although that should not matter for this, since it seems
"self contained" to Mailman itself.

Advice Appreciated
Gregg Siegfried
grs at wsipc.org

From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Tue Mar 25 19:32:01 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:32:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Before Upgrading from 2.1b6 to 2.1.1
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030324173249.03c02728@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030324173249.03c02728@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <3E80A0A1.7090105@mitre.org>

Tom,

I upgraded from 2.1b6 to 2.1, then later from 2.1 to 2.1.1.  Right on my 
production server! (small system, few lists).

The only "problem" I encountered was my own making.  I had changed some 
of the default messages right in place and they were overwritten. 
Luckily I always make copies (.John and .orig), so I just copied them back.

Of course, you want to do everything the same way you did it before, so 
it helps to refer to the notes taken during the first install. 
Especially the ./configure step.  I almost made a mistake by forgetting 
the --with-mail-gid parameter, but my notes saved me.

In summary, if you didn't customize by hand-editing files, and you 
documented special steps in running the actual install, it is trivial.

Tom Hanna wrote:

> 2. In the operational setting, is the upgrade install from 2.1b6 POSTFIX 
> to 2.1.1 POSTFIX trivial?  Or non-trivial? Please explain. (Don't want 
> to overload my most valuable colleague! ;)

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 25 20:08:40 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:08:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Newbie having set up problems
Message-ID: <1556471718.20030325110840@earthlink.net>

Howdy,

Upgraded my RH 8 to Python 2.2.2 and Mailman 2.1.1

Now I'm trying to get my test lists to work.

Currently, I am receiving no email from Mailman.

Emails going into Mailman are received.  After my initial tests and 3
days of debugging, the Sendmail logs seemed normal and all of the
QFiles had a backlog.  So I thought, maybe a qfile was jamming the
system.  I moved the qfile files to temporarily directory. Then tried
subscribing through the user website and my virgin qfile has 10 files
in it (nothing in the other qfiles).  I have not received any type of
confirmation email and am not listed on the admin subscription page.

Any ideas what is preventing the completion of Mailman?  Could it be a
security or interface problem with Sendmail?  Could it be a problem
with the Mailman database or within the program?

Any and all help would be GREATLY appreciated -- I've came to the
limit of my knowledge and the docs.

George Halley

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue Mar 25 20:39:08 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:39:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Newbie having set up problems
In-Reply-To: <1556471718.20030325110840@earthlink.net>
References: <1556471718.20030325110840@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20030325193908.GG10068@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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ghhalley wrote:
> Upgraded my RH 8 to Python 2.2.2 and Mailman 2.1.1
[...]
> Currently, I am receiving no email from Mailman.
>
> Emails going into Mailman are received.  After my initial tests and 3 days
> of debugging, the Sendmail logs seemed normal and all of the QFiles had a
> backlog.  So I thought, maybe a qfile was jamming the system.  I moved the
> qfile files to temporarily directory. Then tried subscribing through the
> user website and my virgin qfile has 10 files in it (nothing in the other
> qfiles).  I have not received any type of confirmation email and am not
> listed on the admin subscription page.
>
> Any ideas what is preventing the completion of Mailman?

Is mailmanctl running?  This is different than the way the qrunners worked
in 2.0.x, where they ran from a cron job.  They now are run via the
mailmanctl daemon.

> Could it be a security or interface problem with Sendmail?

I don't think so, usually if that's the case you see smrsh errors.

> Could it be a problem with the Mailman database or within the program?

I guess that's possible.  If mailmanctl is indeed started, look for clues
in the mailman logs directory.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
"There's no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government
working for you."
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From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 25 20:56:19 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:56:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Newbie having set up problems
Message-ID: <89331250.20030325115619@earthlink.net>

Thanks for the help,

OK mailmanctl was not running.  I started it up and got a confirmation
message.

It should have been running, as the the Mailman init.d files are already
set to run.

Is mailmanctl daemon always on?  Should I see it with ps -e at all
times?

What is its purpose?  I thought the Mailman wrapper was the major
program -- is this just a traffic manager and logger?  or does it do
greater functions?

George

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ghhalley wrote:
> Upgraded my RH 8 to Python 2.2.2 and Mailman 2.1.1
[...]
> Currently, I am receiving no email from Mailman.
>
> Emails going into Mailman are received.  After my initial tests and 3 days
> of debugging, the Sendmail logs seemed normal and all of the QFiles had a
> backlog.  So I thought, maybe a qfile was jamming the system.  I moved the
> qfile files to temporarily directory. Then tried subscribing through the
> user website and my virgin qfile has 10 files in it (nothing in the other
> qfiles).  I have not received any type of confirmation email and am not
> listed on the admin subscription page.
>
> Any ideas what is preventing the completion of Mailman?

Is mailmanctl running?  This is different than the way the qrunners worked
in 2.0.x, where they ran from a cron job.  They now are run via the
mailmanctl daemon.

> Could it be a security or interface problem with Sendmail?

I don't think so, usually if that's the case you see smrsh errors.

> Could it be a problem with the Mailman database or within the program?

I guess that's possible.  If mailmanctl is indeed started, look for clues
in the mailman logs directory.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
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working for you."
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From kenneth at drosera.be  Tue Mar 25 21:56:06 2003
From: kenneth at drosera.be (kenneth at drosera.be)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:56:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive path
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030325105902.0463bc90@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030325105902.0463bc90@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1048625766.3e80c2669dc49@webmail.drosera.be>

Richard,

I tried this also before I posted my question to the list, but to no avail... 
What could I be doing wrong ?

Kenneth.

> At 07:24 25/03/2003, kenneth at drosera.be wrote:
> >Hello all,
> >
> >I have a setup using Mailman 2.1 and have the following situation:
> >
> >List-Id: the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) 
> >List-Unsubscribe: ,
> >         
> >List-Archive: 
> >List-Post: 
> >List-Help: 
> >List-Subscribe: ,
> >         
> >
> >As you can see the "List-Archive" line point to the hostname and not the
> >the "list domain".
> >
> >How do I fix this ?
> >I tried modifying mm_cfg.py to no avail as I only seem to break the
> program.
> >
> Try using $prefix/bin/fix_url.py
>

From gwcohn at bblabs.net  Wed Mar 26 02:44:29 2003
From: gwcohn at bblabs.net (George Cohn)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:44:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on RH 8
References: 
Message-ID: <3E8105FD.B174AE18@bblabs.net>

Is their anyone using Mailman on RH 8 with Postfix?

I loaded their RPM but it looks like it's intended for RH 7.3 and I have
some permission problems.

I can create lists but when I try to post to them, I get the following
errors:

              The Postfix program

: Command died with status 1:
"/var/mailman/scripts/post
    members". Command output: Traceback (most recent call last):   File
    "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ?     main()   File
    "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main     msg.Enqueue(mlist,
    tolist=1)   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in
Enqueue
    dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w')   File
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py",
    line 601, in open_ex     fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
IOError:
    [Errno 13] Permission denied:

'/var/spool/mailman/qfiles/f3fc338508d6ec557e19843b6d1b3e54b549b9b3.db'

Thanks for any advice.

George Cohn

From huston at astro.princeton.edu  Wed Mar 26 06:34:47 2003
From: huston at astro.princeton.edu (Steve Huston)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:34:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on RH 8
In-Reply-To: <3E8105FD.B174AE18@bblabs.net>
Message-ID: 

On Tuesday, Mar 25, 2003, at 20:44 US/Eastern, George Cohn wrote:
> Is their anyone using Mailman on RH 8 with Postfix?

I am, plus amavisd-new with spamassassin 2.50 (been up now 77 hours and 
am just about to pass the 1000th spam blocked.  What a feeling :>)

> I loaded their RPM but it looks like it's intended for RH 7.3 and I 
> have
> some permission problems.

Who's RPM?  And for which program, Mailman or Postfix?

> I can create lists but when I try to post to them, I get the following
> errors:
> IOError:
>     [Errno 13] Permission denied:
>
> '/var/spool/mailman/qfiles/f3fc338508d6ec557e19843b6d1b3e54b549b9b3.db'

Check that the permissions on the wrapper program are correct, and the 
permissions on the /var/spool/mailman directory.  The trouble with RPMs 
that aren't made by the distributor is that sometimes little things 
snag you, such as whomever made the mailman RPM might have tailored it 
more for a Sendmail installation, while Postfix uses different users 
for its setup.  I ended up installing Mailman by hand (which isn't too 
difficult, and also allowed me to easily add the ht://Dig patches), 
installing Postfix via the SRPM from Simon Mudd, amavisd-new by hand 
(big deal, it's a single Perl script and a config file) and Cyrus IMAPD 
by hand as well since I wanted to make sure certain authentication 
methods were disabled.  So the only RPM'd packages on the server are 
Postfix and Apache, and since the others are simple to install and/or 
don't require upgrades often, it shouldn't be a maintenance nightmare.

You may want to consider the same or a similar approach; even if you 
use a SRPM, you can at least tailor the package more to your own site 
that way, still have the ease of later saying 'rpm -Uvh foo', but not 
get "trapped" by whatever the package maintainer decided to do for his 
own setup.  Good maintainers will make either multiple packages for 
varying setups, or if possible one which encompasses most/all 
variables.  When you're talking about the delicate interactions between 
multiple programs (especially since Postfix is quite particular about 
its environment), sometimes the ease of RPM isn't worth it.

--
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  Princeton University  |     ICBM Address: 40.346525   -74.651285
    126 Peyton Hall     |"On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through
  Princeton, NJ   08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus,
    (609) 258-7375      | headlong into mystery."  -Rush, 'Cygnus X-1'

From groups at ComputerBums.com  Wed Mar 26 06:36:27 2003
From: groups at ComputerBums.com (Don V Black)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:36:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Common password or password disable
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20030325212807.022d9100@softcafe.net>

Hi -

I run mailman on a 4 digit list for my society.
I just bulk load our maillist from a file, without
the notification option enabled so that the change
of server would be transparent.  Now nobody
knows their password.  They shouldn't need a
password to unsubscribe.

This is a real pain for the mail list manager.  People
are forced to unsubscribe by either requesting their
password, or requesting that I manually remove them.

There must be a better way.  I will not make the admin
password available to the subscriber.  Can I disable the
unsubscribe password requirement?  Can I force mailman
to generate the same password for all the new subscribers?

Help!

- Don V Black

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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Mar 26 12:14:46 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:14:46 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Newbie having set up problems
In-Reply-To: <89331250.20030325115619@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030326101353.00ab8ca0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 19:56 25/03/2003, ghhalley wrote:
>Thanks for the help,
>
>OK mailmanctl was not running.  I started it up and got a confirmation
>message.
>
>It should have been running, as the the Mailman init.d files are already
>set to run.
>
>Is mailmanctl daemon always on?  Should I see it with ps -e at all
>times?

With MM 2.1.1 yes and yes. Running ps -e should also show a number of 
python processes; these are the qrunner subprocesses spawned by mailmanctl 
and described briefly below.

With the earlier 2.0.x version the functions performed by mailmancntl were 
performed by the qrunner cron script.

>What is its purpose?  I thought the Mailman wrapper was the major
>program -- is this just a traffic manager and logger?  or does it do
>greater functions?

What follows is just my take on how MM  2.1.1 operates but I am open to 
correction ...

When the MTA delivers incoming mail to Mailman it is injected (typically) 
with minimal processing, into the incoming message queue by the script 
executed by the $exec-prefix/mail/mailman wrapper. The situation is a 
actually a bit more complicated because the script run depends on which 
list related mail alias the message is addressed to, but you get the picture.

Doing minimal processing at incoming message delivery time avoids potential 
problems with mail delivery to MM being timed out by the delivering MTA. It 
means that incoming mail is less likely to be baulked out of delivery to MM 
during periods of high system load.

The subsequent processing of messages is done using a pipeline of 
activities defined in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py (actually there can be 
different pipelines used dpending on what type of incoming message is being 
handled).

In passing through the pipeline, messages may be removed from one queue and 
injected into another for further processing.

mailmancntl spawns a series of subprocesses. Iteratively, each subprocess 
takes a message from a particular queue, processes it and, if necessary, 
injects it into the next queue. These subprocesses are what move the 
messages down the pipeline of actions until they passed to the outgoing MTA 
for delivery to subscribers.

The bulk of Mailman's work is done by the subprocesses supervised by 
mailmanctl.

>George
>
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>Hash: SHA1
>
>ghhalley wrote:
> > Upgraded my RH 8 to Python 2.2.2 and Mailman 2.1.1
>[...]
> > Currently, I am receiving no email from Mailman.
> >
> > Emails going into Mailman are received.  After my initial tests and 3 days
> > of debugging, the Sendmail logs seemed normal and all of the QFiles had a
> > backlog.  So I thought, maybe a qfile was jamming the system.  I moved the
> > qfile files to temporarily directory. Then tried subscribing through the
> > user website and my virgin qfile has 10 files in it (nothing in the other
> > qfiles).  I have not received any type of confirmation email and am not
> > listed on the admin subscription page.
> >
> > Any ideas what is preventing the completion of Mailman?
>
>Is mailmanctl running?  This is different than the way the qrunners worked
>in 2.0.x, where they ran from a cron job.  They now are run via the
>mailmanctl daemon.
>
> > Could it be a security or interface problem with Sendmail?
>
>I don't think so, usually if that's the case you see smrsh errors.
>
> > Could it be a problem with the Mailman database or within the program?
>
>I guess that's possible.  If mailmanctl is indeed started, look for clues
>in the mailman logs directory.
>
>- --
>Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp

From pascal at dreissen.nl  Wed Mar 26 12:20:01 2003
From: pascal at dreissen.nl (Pascal Dreissen)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:20:01 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bandwidth or traffic
Message-ID: <13018.194.7.96.149.1048677601.squirrel@squirrel.applemooz.nl>

Is it possible to check how much traffic or bandwidth a specific
mailing-list is consuming ??

Does mailman saves such statistics?

Met vriendelijke groet / Best regards,

Pascal Dreissen

From r2d2 at yebo.co.za  Wed Mar 26 13:45:32 2003
From: r2d2 at yebo.co.za (JvdW)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:45:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber problems
Message-ID: <200303261445.32425.r2d2@yebo.co.za>

Hi all

I have a problem with some subscriber addresses. When the list admin 
subscribes a list of users to his list there is usually a bunch of email 
addresses that has syntax errors. eg: rene'_warner at somedomain.com or 
Su-kznsc at anotherdomain.com. When doing a list_members on the list python 
bombs out. You can't remove these users with the remove_members script or via 
the http interface.

Has anyone come across the same thing or have some ideas on how to remove the 
users?

Thanks!
Regards
JvdW

From sleek at enabled.com  Wed Mar 26 15:44:43 2003
From: sleek at enabled.com (sleek)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:44:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] overriding password
Message-ID: <20030326144342.M47998@enabled.com>

Hi,

is there a way to set an over riding password for all the mail lists on my
server so I have access to them regardless of the admin changing the password?

running mailman 2.1.1
FreeBSD 4.7

thanks in advance.

- Noah

--
Net Enabled (http://www.enabled.com)

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Mar 26 17:08:24 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:08:24 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] overriding password
In-Reply-To: <20030326144342.M47998@enabled.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030326160555.03f78780@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:44 26/03/2003, sleek wrote:

>Hi,
>
>is there a way to set an over riding password for all the mail lists on my
>server so I have access to them regardless of the admin changing the password?

Yes. It is called the site password and you have probably already set it 
using $prefix/bin/mmsitepass.

The site password should work in place of any list admin password.

>running mailman 2.1.1
>FreeBSD 4.7
>
>thanks in advance.
>
>- Noah
>
>
>--
>Net Enabled (http://www.enabled.com)

From mailman at lanoffice.ru  Wed Mar 26 18:16:14 2003
From: mailman at lanoffice.ru (mailman)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:16:14 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass members download feature
References: 
Message-ID: <3E81E05E.5020906@lanoffice.ru>

Hi!

I really like Mailman. Thank you guys.

But there is a question:
Why where is no Cgi-UI option for to allow
an admin to download all list members as text file
suitable for mass subscription?

Or there IS such Web-interface option and I've just missed it?

Best wishes
Maxim Yakubenko

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Wed Mar 26 18:26:02 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:26:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working.. 
Message-ID: 

Hi all - I have been asked to setup a server for mailing out a daily
newsletter to about 50k addresses. I have setup a redhat linux 8.0 server
and have installed Apache and Mailman. I am somewhat familiar with
configuring apache but I am not familiar with MailMan nor can I find any
decent Newbie guides to get it up and running. 

1.	How do I get to the Web Interface? - Mailman is installed in
/var/mailman - Is it all done through a Web interface or is there any
application to run on the local server? If so how do I start the application
up?
2.	Can anyone point me to some decent newbie guides on how to make this
work? 
3.	If you feel like it and it would be appreciated if anyone wants to
outline the steps I need to take in order to get it working initially? 
4.	Does Mailman need a MYSQL DB to hold the lists addresses or does it
have it's own DB that it stores that info in? If so How can import the
current address I have into that DB? 

Thanks for your help. 

John Sullivan 

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Mar 26 18:50:04 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:50:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030326175004.GO10068@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Sullivan, John wrote:
> Hi all - I have been asked to setup a server for mailing out a daily
> newsletter to about 50k addresses. I have setup a redhat linux 8.0 server
> and have installed Apache and Mailman. I am somewhat familiar with
> configuring apache but I am not familiar with MailMan nor can I find any
> decent Newbie guides to get it up and running. 

I would recommend going through the INSTALL and appropriate README[1] files
that are included in the mailman tarball.  They cover the steps to get
everything running quite well.

One thing that's incorrect in the INSTALL file from 2.1.1 is the instruction
to create the mailman site list.  This needs to be done *before* you try to
start the mailmanctl daemon.

[1] See at least README and the README. for your mail server, ie,
README.POSTFIX or README.SENDMAIL, etc.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
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experimentation.
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From tkuntz at rabelle.com  Wed Mar 26 19:23:52 2003
From: tkuntz at rabelle.com (Tony Kuntz)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:23:52 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the sender Address
Message-ID: <012a01c2f3c4$db025d20$b700a8c0@dul.mn.charter.com>

Hi,

I have a new mailman installation and messages sent to the list are
coming from listname-bounces at domainname.com.  I'm wondering if it is
possible to change that so it is coming from
listname-list at domainname.com or something like that.  People are finding
the fact that it comes from an address with bounces in it a bit
unnerving.

Thanks!

From sleek at enabled.com  Wed Mar 26 19:18:14 2003
From: sleek at enabled.com (sleek)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:18:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts - archive hostname troubles
Message-ID: <20030326180303.M8474@enabled.com>

okay I just want to make sure I am setting this up properly - I have virtual
hosts in place.  Installed mailman 2.1.1 on FreeBSD 4.7 Stable machine.

I updated /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py with the following:

VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'lists.host1.com':'host1.com',
                 'lists.host2.com':'host2.com',
                 'lists.host3.com':'host3.com'}
VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 1

then I fixed the maillists.  by the following command:

withlist -l -r fix_url testing -u lists.host1.com

I have a bit of trouble though.  I can see it in the email header of processed
messages.  the archive hostname for the list still remains as the default name
of the machine.  how can I fix this?

- Noah

--
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From Jane.Garner at mail.state.ar.us  Mon Mar 24 18:16:11 2003
From: Jane.Garner at mail.state.ar.us (Jane Garner)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:16:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
Message-ID: <908C186A037A764E8023335DD109107102CC97CC@EVS01.sas.arkgov.net>

I am getting emails from subscribers wishing to be taken off of our serve list.  Do I take them off or what?  Also, new subcribers are wanting on the servelist.  How do I put them on the list?  I am totally new to this program and need a list of how-to-do's instructions.  Could you please email this list of step by step instructions?  Thank you!

Jane Garner

Program Manager 
School Improvement 
DWE 
682-1535 

From engelman at cwnet.com  Mon Mar 24 19:11:29 2003
From: engelman at cwnet.com (M.G)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:11:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list...
Message-ID: <000801c2f230$cf8cfa30$b6755142@mikeh7zqtcgy4w>

uhhh.....

i recently purchased a webhosting package at Gisol....
they sent me to you regarding setting up a mailing list

from what i've read....this is not a simple process...
so in layman terms.....where can i find the instructions i
can understand?

i have no experience with previous mailinglist formats

i am a private business owner, my main objective is
to send periodic updates regarding new products

the names i have on my mailing list are for my
company's eyes only.....i need the security of this.

thanks,
M.G

From mimi.chen at amd.com  Tue Mar 25 00:26:14 2003
From: mimi.chen at amd.com (mimi.chen at amd.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:26:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	Deleting a mailing list and accessing private mailing list
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I have 2 questions.

1. How can I remove a temporary mailing list that I have created.  I do not see any option to delete/remove a mailing list.  Am I suppose to run some command line option?  I am currently running Mailman 2.0 on HP-UX 11.0 with sendmail.

2. How can I access a mailing list that someone has set to private?

Thanks,
Mimi Chen

From martin.rode at zeroscale.com  Tue Mar 25 09:57:50 2003
From: martin.rode at zeroscale.com (Martin Rode)
Date: 25 Mar 2003 09:57:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password reset?
Message-ID: <1048582670.3700.5.camel@marge>

Hi,

hosting a few mailinglists with mailman i have forgotten the password
for one mailinglist. how can i reset a mailinglist admin password? using
version 2.0.11-1woody5.

thanks for your help!

cheers,

martin

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From andreas.kraxner at uibk.ac.at  Tue Mar 25 14:51:29 2003
From: andreas.kraxner at uibk.ac.at (Andreas Kraxner)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:51:29 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem
Message-ID: <3E805EE1.7070801@uibk.ac.at>

we work with mailman 2.1
and everything works fine but after a kernel pach under linux
we got an error message if i try to start mailman.

[mailman at server]$ ../../mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
Die Sperre des qrunner-Masterprozesses konnte nicht ?bernommen werden. Es
sieht so aus, als ob dies eine ung?ltige Sperre ist.
Rufen Sie das das Programm mailmanctl mit der -s Option nochmals auf.

thanks for help

Andreas 

From dmann at liu.edu  Tue Mar 25 15:48:01 2003
From: dmann at liu.edu (dmann)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:48:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Import
Message-ID: 

I must be missing something and I hope that this is the right place to
ask this question.  I would like to mass import a group of users into
Mailman (version 2.11).  I have a comma delimited file that contains 2
fields, email address field and name field.  When I use the web
interface to do the mass import the file is successfully uploaded.  The
problem is that it only takes the email address field, not the name
field.  Am I doing something wrong??

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

don
<><

From wkidd at im.org  Tue Mar 25 22:27:00 2003
From: wkidd at im.org (Wayne Kidd)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:27:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question regarding inserting a text header
Message-ID: <693F1DD4823E7A418518A1AACD5B2E613B440F@mail.im.org>

I am looking to see if it possible to have Mailman automatically insert a text header for all generated emails.

Thank you.

Wayne R. Kidd
Director of Operations
AAIM
202 861-9351
http://www.im.org/aaim

From brian at emwd.com  Wed Mar 26 16:03:48 2003
From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:03:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list hosting services 
Message-ID: 

To Whom it may concern:

Our company has been providing Mailman mailing list services for about 6
months now with great success. Would it be possible to be listed on the
http://www.list.org/inthenews.html page as a hosting provider for Mailman?

Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you for your attention
to this.

Kind Regards,
Brian Carpenter
Emerging Markets Web Design
www.emwd.com

From mary.franks at uaa.alaska.edu  Wed Mar 26 19:25:08 2003
From: mary.franks at uaa.alaska.edu (Mary Franks)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:25:08 -0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	List Admins Receiving error messages for persons not on their lists.
Message-ID: 

At the beginning of the month the password reminders are sent out, bogus
e-mail addresses create error messages that are being sent to list
admins that are not responsible for the list the bogus address is
subscribed to.

The below error message was generated, the address
akkrafts at alasakcrafts.com is not a member of the chc mailing lists.

Thanks for any ideas.

Mary 

Received: from Matrix.uaa.alaska.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by matrix.uaa.alaska.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF33D45A7C
for ; Sat,  1 Mar 2003 05:03:27 -0900 (AKST)
Message-ID: <20030301140327.5832.34501.Mailman at lists.uaa.alaska.edu>
X-No-Archive: yes
X-Ack: no
Errors-To: chc-admin at lists.uaa.alaska.edu
X-BeenThere: chc at lists.uaa.alaska.edu
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13
Precedence: bulk
From: mailman-owner at lists.uaa.alaska.edu
Sender: chc-admin at lists.uaa.alaska.edu
To: akkrafts at alasakcrafts.com
Subject: lists.uaa.alaska.edu mailing list memberships reminder
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 05:03:27 -0900

From info at sharksforum.com  Tue Mar 25 12:50:03 2003
From: info at sharksforum.com (Sharksforum)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:50:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Securing
Message-ID: <001c01c2f2c4$afa45710$4b6410ac@jflw2000p>

How do we secure mailman so that only a certain IP can post to the list?

--
Regards / Venlig hilsen,  Jacob Friis Larsen
JFL WebCom |  www.webcom.dk  | +45 7027 0767 

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Mar 26 19:44:39 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:44:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a mailing list and accessing private
	mailing list
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030326184439.GS10068@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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mimi.chen at amd.com wrote:
> 1. How can I remove a temporary mailing list that I have created.  I do
> not see any option to delete/remove a mailing list.  Am I suppose to run
> some command line option?

Yes.  Use the rmlist command found in ~mailman/bin.

> 2. How can I access a mailing list that someone has set to private?

If you're the site administrator, use the site password to get into the web
admin interface.

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From tkuntz at rabelle.com  Wed Mar 26 20:00:15 2003
From: tkuntz at rabelle.com (Tony Kuntz)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:00:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman for Delivery of 10,000
Message-ID: <014901c2f3c9$f76bac00$b700a8c0@dul.mn.charter.com>

I have a client with an optin list of about 10,000 subscribers.

Is mailman a good program for delivery of this amount of mail
.in terms
of efficiency, server load, etc.

I've seen several desktop solutions that connect to a pop account and
send out the e-mails in threads (or groups of 10 to 15 automatically) 

this is supposed to be more efficient and use less server resources.  Is
that true?

I guess I'm just curious if mailman is a good solution for this client
or if anybody has some experience with similar size lists.

Thanks.

From sleek at enabled.com  Wed Mar 26 19:21:58 2003
From: sleek at enabled.com (sleek)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:21:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the sender Address
In-Reply-To: <012a01c2f3c4$db025d20$b700a8c0@dul.mn.charter.com>
References: <012a01c2f3c4$db025d20$b700a8c0@dul.mn.charter.com>
Message-ID: <20030326182126.M89645@enabled.com>

On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:23:52 -0600, Tony Kuntz wrote
> Hi,
> 
> I have a new mailman installation and messages sent to the list are
> coming from listname-bounces at domainname.com.  I'm wondering if it is
> possible to change that so it is coming from
> listname-list at domainname.com or something like that.  People are finding
> the fact that it comes from an address with bounces in it a bit
> unnerving.

Hi,

Some of my users agree here.  I have actually received mail regarding this
very issue too.

- Noah

> 
> Thanks!
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: sleek at enabled.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/sleek%40enabled.com

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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Mar 26 19:58:13 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:58:13 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the sender Address
In-Reply-To: <012a01c2f3c4$db025d20$b700a8c0@dul.mn.charter.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030326185602.03f78500@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 18:23 26/03/2003, Tony Kuntz wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have a new mailman installation and messages sent to the list are
>coming from listname-bounces at domainname.com.  I'm wondering if it is
>possible to change that so it is coming from
>listname-list at domainname.com or something like that.  People are finding
>the fact that it comes from an address with bounces in it a bit
>unnerving.
>
>Thanks!

If you are prepared to hack enough source code it is possible to change it 
but there is no easy way.

But in any event the From header of the messages doesn't contain the 
listname-bounces alias.

I suspect that the most concerned users are those using MS Outlook because 
of its strange habits (see 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp for 
more info).

From ztec at terra.com.br  Wed Mar 26 15:59:42 2003
From: ztec at terra.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Carlos_Stevenson?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:59:42 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PAM
Message-ID: <000d01c2f3a8$54fe1c30$0a01a8c0@zeca>

Dear Sirs,

I intend to use mailman, Postfix, Cyrus-IMAP,PAM_MySQL and cyradmin, following the howto: http://www.delouw.ch/linux/postfix.phtml 
I've download mailman-users.mbox.txt and searched for pam_mysql related issues and founded nothing.
Since I'm completly new to mailman I apologize if this questions is unrelated or indirectly answered before.
Can mailman uses pam_mysql?
Can I store the lists information in MySQL tables (I want to create a centralized account managment software, and a list managment too. I think it would be nice to administer the user information, see the lists he/she is subscribed to, add a user to a list in the moment we are adding the user account...)?

Thanks in advance,
Jos? Carlos Stevenson.

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Mar 26 20:08:47 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:08:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list...
In-Reply-To: <000801c2f230$cf8cfa30$b6755142@mikeh7zqtcgy4w>
References: <000801c2f230$cf8cfa30$b6755142@mikeh7zqtcgy4w>
Message-ID: <20030326190847.GU10068@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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M.G wrote:
> i recently purchased a webhosting package at Gisol....
> they sent me to you regarding setting up a mailing list

That's quality tech support. :)

> from what i've read....this is not a simple process...
> so in layman terms.....where can i find the instructions i
> can understand?

It depends on what your web host has done for you already.  If they expect
you to install mailman yourself, then you'll need to be familiar with
compiling programs, and configuring apache and a mailserver (I always
recommend Postfix, but some crazy people still use Sendmail :).

If they've already installed mailman for you, then it will depend on what
version they've installed (2.0.13 or 2.1.1).

I tried to peek at they're site to see if they mention which version they
have installed but didn't see it.

2.0 didn't have any way to create new lists via the web interface, it had to
be done on the command line, though many web hosts setup a web front-end to
do this.  But that's something that only your web host can (and should) tell
you how to use.

2.1.1 has a way to create lists via the web interface.  Just visit a URL
like:

    http://your-host/mailman/create

and fill out the form.

In either case, you can also do this from the command line (assuming you
have that kind of access to the server).  Use the newlist command, found in
~mailman/bin.

> i am a private business owner, my main objective is
> to send periodic updates regarding new products

Once you get mailman installed you'll want to look at the sections of the
FAQ that detail the creation of an announcement list.

> the names i have on my mailing list are for my
> company's eyes only.....i need the security of this.

The names should be as secure as the server they're housed on.  If it's
mission critical data, you might not want to trust it to a shared host.

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============================================================================
He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares
not is a slave.
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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Mar 26 20:07:24 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:07:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Import
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030326190724.GT10068@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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dmann wrote:
> I must be missing something and I hope that this is the right place to
> ask this question.  I would like to mass import a group of users into
> Mailman (version 2.11).  I have a comma delimited file that contains 2
> fields, email address field and name field.  When I use the web
> interface to do the mass import the file is successfully uploaded.  The
> problem is that it only takes the email address field, not the name
> field.  Am I doing something wrong??

I think mailman expects addresses in the file to be in the format:

    Full Name  or
    email at address.tld (Full Name)

and one address per line, like the mass subscribe text box.  But I'm not an
expert so I could be mistaken.

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============================================================================
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From huston at astro.princeton.edu  Wed Mar 26 20:41:56 2003
From: huston at astro.princeton.edu (Steve Huston)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:41:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thank you all.
Message-ID: 

(Please reply privately for the sanity of the other lists, if you feel a reply
is needed; or at least trim out the lists you're not a member of)

I just wanted to drop a line to all the developers of the programs I setup
recently for our mailserver, and thank you all.  Sometimes the people who work
hard to bring the good programs to us don't get the recognition they deserve
(especially when reading lists like these where you usually only hear of the
problems people have).  Everything's working very well, was painless to
install, heck even the users here like it.

So again, thanks for all your work.  It is not unappreciated :>

-- 
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 Princeton University  |     ICBM Address: 40.346525   -74.651285
   126 Peyton Hall     |"On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through
 Princeton, NJ   08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus,
   (609) 258-7375      | headlong into mystery."  -Rush, 'Cygnus X-1'

From irwin at taranto.com  Wed Mar 26 21:53:38 2003
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:53:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Securing
In-Reply-To: <001c01c2f2c4$afa45710$4b6410ac@jflw2000p>
References: <001c01c2f2c4$afa45710$4b6410ac@jflw2000p>
Message-ID: <200303262053.h2QKrdB23235@taranto.com>

On Tuesday 25 March 2003 03:50 am, Sharksforum wrote:
> How do we secure mailman so that only a certain IP can post to the list?

Depending upon which version you are using, look for Sender filter options.

Irwin

From landruler at operamail.com  Wed Mar 26 22:22:54 2003
From: landruler at operamail.com (Jim Beach)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:22:54 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
Message-ID: <20030326212254.9249.qmail@operamail.com>

I've just set up a list for my website subscribers. Never done anything like this before. I got mailman through my webhost with "cpanel".

In the General Options category, first setting says I can make case changes only to the public list name.

My list name is Damjamfans. I want it to be DamJamFans or maybe damjamfans.

I've tried changing it but always get an error message:
"real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by case only."

According to this post from Todd in the archives, it could be cpanel:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg16259.html

Anyone have any ideas about this?
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From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net  Wed Mar 26 22:42:31 2003
From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:42:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
In-Reply-To: <908C186A037A764E8023335DD109107102CC97CC@EVS01.sas.arkgov.net>;
	from Jane.Garner@mail.state.ar.us on Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 11:16:11AM -0600
References: <908C186A037A764E8023335DD109107102CC97CC@EVS01.sas.arkgov.net>
Message-ID: <20030326164230.A9065@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Jane Garner (Jane.Garner at mail.state.ar.us) wrote:
> I am getting emails from subscribers wishing to be taken off of our serve list.  Do I take them off or what?  Also, new subcribers are wanting on the servelist.  How do I put them on the list?  I am totally new to this program and need a list of how-to-do's instructions.  Could you please email this list of step by step instructions?  Thank you!  

You didn't really tell us anything about your installation, like which
mailman version.

The best place to start would be the documentation that comes with the
program.  The README, FAQ and README.* files wern't written just to take up
space.  They really are helpful.

You can either unsubscribe the users by going to the web admin interface
then the Member Management portion, and removing them from that page.  Or
you can teach them how to unsubscribe themselves (Give a man a fish, he'll
eat for a little bit, but teach him how to fish, and he'll eat forever....
ok maybe I'm butcherin the saying, but you know what I'm talking about..).

They can unsubscribe a number of different way, many of which are documented
in the documentation.

Then there's another good place to go and that's the FAQ.
http://www.list.org/faq.html
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

--
Matthew Davis
http://dogpound.vnet.net/

Never eat anything bigger than your head.

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Wed Mar 26 22:31:37 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:31:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..
Message-ID: 

Thanks for your info George.. 

A few more questions. 

1. I installed the MailMan package during the Red Hat Server installation.
It look like it installed MAILMAN in /var/mailman/ 

It seems to have done a few of the steps for me - create a mailman user and
Mailman group. 

It moved some of the jpgs into my apache install - 

The apache installed a little different then I am use to and being a newbie
it has confused the hell out of me. 

In /var I have a www folder - and in /etc/ I have what looks like all of the
configuration files. 

I am assuming I need to edit the httpd.conf as I don't think the redhat
install took it that far. 

What should my httpd.conf file look like considering the information above
as to where my installs are. 

2. Also not sure if this a related issue but http server gui that comes with
RedHat freezes up on me everytime I try to edit the properties - any ideas?

Thanks for your help..

john

-----Original Message-----
From: George [mailto:george at holylandtrust.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:12 PM
To: Sullivan, John
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..

John,

I just set up Mailman on RH 8 -- not an expert, but I can help.  One
important consideration you need to make up front.  The latest, stable
Mailman release is 2.1.1 which requires Python 2.2.2, both not in the
RH 8 release.  2.1.1 has enough changes in it that I decided to make
the update. Here are the keys to complete the installation.

1)  Download the new releases and install them.  I think Mailman had a
RPM available and Python was a GZip .tar.  Installation was
straightforward for both.

2) The mailman install directory had excellent READMEs.  Look at
README, INSTALL, README.LINUX, and README.SENDMAIL  Print out the
INSTALL one and use it as your template.

a)  Conifguring Apache is easy.  Just move the file Httpd-Mailman.conf
from the /etc/httpd/conf directory into the /etc/httpd/conf.d
directory.  Any .conf files in this directory are included in the
apache configuration. Edit the files correspondingly.

b)  We didn't have to make any configuration changes with Sendmail,
but you will have to set up a boatload of aliases.  When you run
Newlist process it will tell you what aliases to include.

c)  Watch you directory permission settings and what groups your
applications run as.  The docs will send you in the right direction,
if you need more help, ask back on this board. In my case, Sendmail
ran as the mail user/group and Apache ran as the apache user/group.
In the configuration I set the --with-mail-gid and the --with-cgi-gid

d)  The most lacking part of the READMEs is the value of the
mailmanctl script.  The readme's still reference cron jobs.  I set
them up, but with 2.1.1 the majority of the cron work is done by
mailmanctl, a continually running daemon and its python sub-processes.
     In my case, my qfiles were backing up and I was getting no
responses from Mailman.  This was fixed when I ran the mailmanctl
script.  See the recent emails titled "Mailman Newbie having set up
problems"

f) Finally, you may want to set up Mailman to run at boot up.  I don't
remember if RH already had a script in init.d or if it came in the
install.  But I did have to add this into the boot sequence.

If this isn't good enough, keep writing the list, and we will try to
help you with individual parts.

Peace,
George Halley

From landruler at operamail.com  Wed Mar 26 22:51:13 2003
From: landruler at operamail.com (Jim Beach)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:51:13 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with case changes on public list name
Message-ID: <20030326215113.5015.qmail@operamail.com>

Sorry, forgot to tell you the subject before.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Beach" 
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:22:54 +0800
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 

> I've just set up a list for my website subscribers. Never done anything like this before. I got mailman through my webhost with "cpanel".
> 
> In the General Options category, first setting says I can make case changes only to the public list name.
> 
> My list name is Damjamfans. I want it to be DamJamFans or maybe damjamfans.
> 
> I've tried changing it but always get an error message:
> "real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by case only."
> 
> According to this post from Todd in the archives, it could be cpanel:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg16259.html
> 
> Anyone have any ideas about this?
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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Mar 26 23:13:36 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:13:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with case changes on public list name
In-Reply-To: <20030326212254.9249.qmail@operamail.com>
References: <20030326212254.9249.qmail@operamail.com>
Message-ID: <20030326221336.GB16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Jim Beach wrote:
> I've just set up a list for my website subscribers. Never done anything
> like this before. I got mailman through my webhost with "cpanel".
[...]
> I've tried changing it but always get an error message:
> "real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by
> case only."

I had posted question about this to the cpanel support forum on March 10th
and got 0 responses.  :(

See here:

    http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?threadid=7718&s=2a9e590ac8335fcafa2530c3884136a0&s=c2621f0f4552d9f8ee78ee458d1db538

I keep meaning to email them directly and ask where I can get any patches
they apply to mailman.  Under the GPL, they must provide them.  At this
point, I don't know what they do so I can't say if they indeed patch mailman
to get this (broken) behavior and I (fortunately) don't have many lists
hosted on cpanel/mailman sites so it's not been a high priority for me.  But
it is pretty annoying.

You can edit the HTML templates, replacing '' with the
listname in the case you want it in.  This achieves part of what you want,
but it's not really a fix.

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============================================================================
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From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 26 23:23:35 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:23:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..
Message-ID: <2776459968.20030326142335@earthlink.net>

John,

I just set up Mailman on RH 8 -- not an expert, but I can help.  One
important consideration you need to make up front.  The latest, stable
Mailman release is 2.1.1 which requires Python 2.2.2, both not in the
RH 8 release.  2.1.1 has enough changes in it that I decided to make
the update. Here are the keys to complete the installation.

1)  Download the new releases and install them.  I think Mailman had a
RPM available and Python was a GZip .tar.  Installation was
straightforward for both.

2) The mailman install directory had excellent READMEs.  Look at
README, INSTALL, README.LINUX, and README.SENDMAIL  Print out the
INSTALL one and use it as your template.

a)  Conifguring Apache is easy.  Just move the file Httpd-Mailman.conf
from the /etc/httpd/conf directory into the /etc/httpd/conf.d
directory.  Any .conf files in this directory are included in the
apache configuration. Edit the files correspondingly.

b)  We didn't have to make any configuration changes with Sendmail,
but you will have to set up a boatload of aliases.  When you run
Newlist process it will tell you what aliases to include.

c)  Watch you directory permission settings and what groups your
applications run as.  The docs will send you in the right direction,
if you need more help, ask back on this board. In my case, Sendmail
ran as the mail user/group and Apache ran as the apache user/group.
In the configuration I set the --with-mail-gid and the --with-cgi-gid

d)  The most lacking part of the READMEs is the value of the
mailmanctl script.  The readme's still reference cron jobs.  I set
them up, but with 2.1.1 the majority of the cron work is done by
mailmanctl, a continually running daemon and its python sub-processes.
     In my case, my qfiles were backing up and I was getting no
responses from Mailman.  This was fixed when I ran the mailmanctl
script.  See the recent emails titled "Mailman Newbie having set up
problems"

f) Finally, you may want to set up Mailman to run at boot up.  I don't
remember if RH already had a script in init.d or if it came in the
install.  But I did have to add this into the boot sequence.

If this isn't good enough, keep writing the list, and we will try to
help you with individual parts.

Peace,
George Halley

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Mar 26 23:30:56 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:30:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..
In-Reply-To: <2776459968.20030326142335@earthlink.net>
References: <2776459968.20030326142335@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20030326223056.GC16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

ghhalley wrote:
> I just set up Mailman on RH 8 -- not an expert, but I can help.  One
> important consideration you need to make up front.  The latest, stable
> Mailman release is 2.1.1 which requires Python 2.2.2, both not in the
> RH 8 release.

Just a quick addition, RH 8 does include python 2.2.2.  It's in the python2
rpm.  I've used this with Mailman 2.1.1 with no noticeable problems.  So
that will save a little bit of time compiling and installing.  You just have
to give the --with-python option to mailman and specify /usr/bin/python2.

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From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 26 23:44:54 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:44:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <2377739500.20030326144454@earthlink.net>

John,

Comments are in-line with your questions.  BTW How Newbie are you with
Linux?  Its hard to tell from your EMails -- Sounds like you are brand
new to RH8, but do you have experience with other releases?  I will
modify my explanations depending on your knowledge.  For example, I've
played around on RH 6.2 box for two years as a part time job.

> Thanks for your info George..

> A few more questions.

> 1. I installed the MailMan package during the Red Hat Server installation.
> It look like it installed MAILMAN in /var/mailman/

     Good -- That is what I did, too.

> It seems to have done a few of the steps for me - create a mailman user and
> Mailman group.

    Good -- and you should have a mail user and group for Sendmail and
    a Apache user and group for Apace.  All three users are needed for
    Mailman to run properly.  Three users are run to increase the
    system security.

> It moved some of the jpgs into my apache install -

    I never had to do that.  Evidentially, they were already there.
    (I hate having to move simple icons -- so I skipped it!)

> The apache installed a little different then I am use to and being a newbie
> it has confused the hell out of me.

    Have you configured Apache before?  If not, there are a bunch of
    questions to resolve about how you do your webserver.  We may be
    able to do those questions over the phone.

    If you have configured Apace before, I was also surprised by Apache 2.
    I had time to learn it though as I was migrating the websites from
    my RH 6.2 box.  Overall, the configuration files are simpler.  The
    RH 8 install placed all of the Mailman config files in the file
    /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-mailman.conf file.  All you have to do for
    the setup, is move this file into /etc/httpd/conf.d/ directory.

    Oops, I did uncomment the one line which is suggested in the file.

> In /var I have a www folder - and in /etc/ I have what looks like all of the
> configuration files.

    Correct.  I didn't dwell into the /var/www folder, but it is where
    you can find the apache documentation and where RH expects you to
    put CGIs and websites.

> I am assuming I need to edit the httpd.conf as I don't think the redhat
> install took it that far.

     The RH install provides the default configuration.  Works pretty
     well, but typically gets modified as you build web sites.

> What should my httpd.conf file look like considering the information above
> as to where my installs are.

     This is non-mailman specific.  So let's take it off the list and
     talk about this.

> 2. Also not sure if this a related issue but http server gui that comes with
> RedHat freezes up on me everytime I try to edit the properties - any ideas?

     Are you configuring from a desktop GUI?  I don't have experience
     with this.

     Questions like this are more appropriate for the Red Hat 8
     mailing list.  I am also a member of this.  The mailing address
     for this list is psyche-list at redhat.com I signed up for it
     somewhere on the Red Hat website.

> Thanks for your help..

     Keep passing questions, I'll answer as I am available.  For once,
     I can help someone!!  Yeah!

> john

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Wed Mar 26 23:56:36 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:56:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..
Message-ID: 

Thanks.. I am actually brand new... never even touched anything Linux
before. I come from a Networking Background (mostly MS, Cisco and firewalls)
and in the past I have had to setup network configs to work with Sun Servers
running apache sometimes dibbling in the Sun's config files. But that is
pretty much the extent of it. So I appreciate your help, it's comforting to
know that there are people out there willing to lend a hand to a needy
network guy. 

OK. So my big problem that took me all day was the silly little move of the
mailman config file to the conf.d directory - thanks.. 

Now I can access the pages over the network and feel like I'm making some
headway. 

1. Is the administration done entirely through the Web Admin? How do access
and configure MailMan options? 

2. How do I change the @localhost.localdomain convention to specify the
domain I want?

3.I do not want anyone to send email to this box - I just want it to be able
to send out daily newsletters. I want the reply address to be a user on my
Exchange Server --my corp mail server-- who can receive replies in his
Outlook Inbox. 

4. That being the case (#3) do I need to setup external DNS with MX records
for this server?

Thanks for your help... 

-----Original Message-----
From: ghhalley [mailto:ghhalley at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 5:45 PM
To: Sullivan, John
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re[2]: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..

John,

Comments are in-line with your questions.  BTW How Newbie are you with
Linux?  Its hard to tell from your EMails -- Sounds like you are brand
new to RH8, but do you have experience with other releases?  I will
modify my explanations depending on your knowledge.  For example, I've
played around on RH 6.2 box for two years as a part time job.

> Thanks for your info George..

> A few more questions.

> 1. I installed the MailMan package during the Red Hat Server installation.
> It look like it installed MAILMAN in /var/mailman/

     Good -- That is what I did, too.

> It seems to have done a few of the steps for me - create a mailman user
and
> Mailman group.

    Good -- and you should have a mail user and group for Sendmail and
    a Apache user and group for Apace.  All three users are needed for
    Mailman to run properly.  Three users are run to increase the
    system security.

> It moved some of the jpgs into my apache install -

    I never had to do that.  Evidentially, they were already there.
    (I hate having to move simple icons -- so I skipped it!)

> The apache installed a little different then I am use to and being a
newbie
> it has confused the hell out of me.

    Have you configured Apache before?  If not, there are a bunch of
    questions to resolve about how you do your webserver.  We may be
    able to do those questions over the phone.

    If you have configured Apace before, I was also surprised by Apache 2.
    I had time to learn it though as I was migrating the websites from
    my RH 6.2 box.  Overall, the configuration files are simpler.  The
    RH 8 install placed all of the Mailman config files in the file
    /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-mailman.conf file.  All you have to do for
    the setup, is move this file into /etc/httpd/conf.d/ directory.

    Oops, I did uncomment the one line which is suggested in the file.

> In /var I have a www folder - and in /etc/ I have what looks like all of
the
> configuration files.

    Correct.  I didn't dwell into the /var/www folder, but it is where
    you can find the apache documentation and where RH expects you to
    put CGIs and websites.

> I am assuming I need to edit the httpd.conf as I don't think the redhat
> install took it that far.

     The RH install provides the default configuration.  Works pretty
     well, but typically gets modified as you build web sites.

> What should my httpd.conf file look like considering the information above
> as to where my installs are.

     This is non-mailman specific.  So let's take it off the list and
     talk about this.

> 2. Also not sure if this a related issue but http server gui that comes
with
> RedHat freezes up on me everytime I try to edit the properties - any
ideas?

     Are you configuring from a desktop GUI?  I don't have experience
     with this.

     Questions like this are more appropriate for the Red Hat 8
     mailing list.  I am also a member of this.  The mailing address
     for this list is psyche-list at redhat.com I signed up for it
     somewhere on the Red Hat website.

> Thanks for your help..

     Keep passing questions, I'll answer as I am available.  For once,
     I can help someone!!  Yeah!

> john

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Thu Mar 27 00:04:32 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:04:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..
Message-ID: 

Ooh one other thing - 

1. How can I test that Mailman is working with sendmail correctly? 

Thanks all

-----Original Message-----
From: ghhalley [mailto:ghhalley at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 5:45 PM
To: Sullivan, John
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re[2]: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..

John,

Comments are in-line with your questions.  BTW How Newbie are you with
Linux?  Its hard to tell from your EMails -- Sounds like you are brand
new to RH8, but do you have experience with other releases?  I will
modify my explanations depending on your knowledge.  For example, I've
played around on RH 6.2 box for two years as a part time job.

> Thanks for your info George..

> A few more questions.

> 1. I installed the MailMan package during the Red Hat Server installation.
> It look like it installed MAILMAN in /var/mailman/

     Good -- That is what I did, too.

> It seems to have done a few of the steps for me - create a mailman user
and
> Mailman group.

    Good -- and you should have a mail user and group for Sendmail and
    a Apache user and group for Apace.  All three users are needed for
    Mailman to run properly.  Three users are run to increase the
    system security.

> It moved some of the jpgs into my apache install -

    I never had to do that.  Evidentially, they were already there.
    (I hate having to move simple icons -- so I skipped it!)

> The apache installed a little different then I am use to and being a
newbie
> it has confused the hell out of me.

    Have you configured Apache before?  If not, there are a bunch of
    questions to resolve about how you do your webserver.  We may be
    able to do those questions over the phone.

    If you have configured Apace before, I was also surprised by Apache 2.
    I had time to learn it though as I was migrating the websites from
    my RH 6.2 box.  Overall, the configuration files are simpler.  The
    RH 8 install placed all of the Mailman config files in the file
    /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-mailman.conf file.  All you have to do for
    the setup, is move this file into /etc/httpd/conf.d/ directory.

    Oops, I did uncomment the one line which is suggested in the file.

> In /var I have a www folder - and in /etc/ I have what looks like all of
the
> configuration files.

    Correct.  I didn't dwell into the /var/www folder, but it is where
    you can find the apache documentation and where RH expects you to
    put CGIs and websites.

> I am assuming I need to edit the httpd.conf as I don't think the redhat
> install took it that far.

     The RH install provides the default configuration.  Works pretty
     well, but typically gets modified as you build web sites.

> What should my httpd.conf file look like considering the information above
> as to where my installs are.

     This is non-mailman specific.  So let's take it off the list and
     talk about this.

> 2. Also not sure if this a related issue but http server gui that comes
with
> RedHat freezes up on me everytime I try to edit the properties - any
ideas?

     Are you configuring from a desktop GUI?  I don't have experience
     with this.

     Questions like this are more appropriate for the Red Hat 8
     mailing list.  I am also a member of this.  The mailing address
     for this list is psyche-list at redhat.com I signed up for it
     somewhere on the Red Hat website.

> Thanks for your help..

     Keep passing questions, I'll answer as I am available.  For once,
     I can help someone!!  Yeah!

> john

From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 27 00:53:56 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:53:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <19981881468.20030326155356@earthlink.net>

> Thanks.. I am actually brand new... never even touched anything Linux
> before. I come from a Networking Background (mostly MS, Cisco and firewalls)
> and in the past I have had to setup network configs to work with Sun Servers
> running apache sometimes dibbling in the Sun's config files. But that is
> pretty much the extent of it. So I appreciate your help, it's comforting to
> know that there are people out there willing to lend a hand to a needy
> network guy.

Ahhh, That make sense.  You'll be surprised by how easy the really bad
problems are to fix in Linux.

> OK. So my big problem that took me all day was the silly little move of the
> mailman config file to the conf.d directory - thanks..

> Now I can access the pages over the network and feel like I'm making some
> headway.

> 1. Is the administration done entirely through the Web Admin? How do access
> and configure MailMan options?

You can do it both ways, except for the changes in the alias files.
Those you will need to hand poke.  I suggest the program emacs, if you
don't have a favorite way to do this.  The changes are really pretty
simple -- its a text file, with three pieces.

# Comment lines
and then the email address and its relay, typically in the form

George:   GHHalley at earthlink.net
which would send all email to George at holylandtrust.org to my email
account.

This gets a little stickier if you are using multiple domains and we
will not get into this in this email.

After hand poking the changes, you will need to type "newaliases" on the
command line.  You will get a statement back showing the db has been
updated.  And then you need to restart sendmail by "services sendmail
restart"  This will cause the changes to be received.

> 2. How do I change the @localhost.localdomain convention to specify the
> domain I want?

This is a little trickier question.  I'm guessing you might need to do
some more network configuration for the box.

Did you set a local name in the /etc/sysconfig/network file?  If not,
you need to set this up.  If I remember right, there is good
documentation in the RH 8 Reference Guide.  Red Hat has pdf and html
versions of it on their website. When I started learning Red Hat, I
used those guides alot.  They are not exhaustive by any means, but
they will get you going.  Then the man or info commands and the
readme's have almost everything else.

> 3.I do not want anyone to send email to this box - I just want it to be able
> to send out daily newsletters. I want the reply address to be a user on my
> Exchange Server --my corp mail server-- who can receive replies in his
> Outlook Inbox.

This brings up a major question of configuration.  Typically Mailman
uses confirmation emails for new subscriptions.  You will have to go
through the configuration files and turn off this capability.  Mailman
by default is not set up as a Newsletter list, but rather as a
Discussion list.  There are default settings, you will want to change
for it to work this way.  My primary purpose is also as a Newsletter
list.  FAQ 3.11 describes the basic changes you need to make.  I'm in
the process of implementing it.

> 4. That being the case (#3) do I need to setup external DNS with MX records
> for this server?

not sure.  I use DNS to direct traffic to my website and to route
emails to the server.  If you completely turn off in-coming emails and
you can get around the web traffic necessary, you can probably turn
off DNS.  But, I'm not an authority in this area.  You might want to
try a separate post with different heading to this list and the RH 8
list.

> Thanks for your help...

And on the second email...

> Ooh one other thing -

> 1. How can I test that Mailman is working with sendmail correctly?

You can check Sendmail, by making a change in the alias file to send
to you and then trying it.

Otherwise, you can set up your first list and send to it.

Or if you think everything is working, but don't get a response, check
FAQ 3.14

> Thanks all

-----Original Message-----
From: ghhalley [mailto:ghhalley at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 5:45 PM
To: Sullivan, John
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re[2]: [Mailman-Users] Help Newbie trying to get working..

John,

Comments are in-line with your questions.  BTW How Newbie are you with
Linux?  Its hard to tell from your EMails -- Sounds like you are brand
new to RH8, but do you have experience with other releases?  I will
modify my explanations depending on your knowledge.  For example, I've
played around on RH 6.2 box for two years as a part time job.

> Thanks for your info George..

> A few more questions.

> 1. I installed the MailMan package during the Red Hat Server installation.
> It look like it installed MAILMAN in /var/mailman/

     Good -- That is what I did, too.

> It seems to have done a few of the steps for me - create a mailman user
and
> Mailman group.

    Good -- and you should have a mail user and group for Sendmail and
    a Apache user and group for Apace.  All three users are needed for
    Mailman to run properly.  Three users are run to increase the
    system security.

> It moved some of the jpgs into my apache install -

    I never had to do that.  Evidentially, they were already there.
    (I hate having to move simple icons -- so I skipped it!)

> The apache installed a little different then I am use to and being a
newbie
> it has confused the hell out of me.

    Have you configured Apache before?  If not, there are a bunch of
    questions to resolve about how you do your webserver.  We may be
    able to do those questions over the phone.

    If you have configured Apace before, I was also surprised by Apache 2.
    I had time to learn it though as I was migrating the websites from
    my RH 6.2 box.  Overall, the configuration files are simpler.  The
    RH 8 install placed all of the Mailman config files in the file
    /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-mailman.conf file.  All you have to do for
    the setup, is move this file into /etc/httpd/conf.d/ directory.

    Oops, I did uncomment the one line which is suggested in the file.

> In /var I have a www folder - and in /etc/ I have what looks like all of
the
> configuration files.

    Correct.  I didn't dwell into the /var/www folder, but it is where
    you can find the apache documentation and where RH expects you to
    put CGIs and websites.

> I am assuming I need to edit the httpd.conf as I don't think the redhat
> install took it that far.

     The RH install provides the default configuration.  Works pretty
     well, but typically gets modified as you build web sites.

> What should my httpd.conf file look like considering the information above
> as to where my installs are.

     This is non-mailman specific.  So let's take it off the list and
     talk about this.

> 2. Also not sure if this a related issue but http server gui that comes
with
> RedHat freezes up on me everytime I try to edit the properties - any
ideas?

     Are you configuring from a desktop GUI?  I don't have experience
     with this.

     Questions like this are more appropriate for the Red Hat 8
     mailing list.  I am also a member of this.  The mailing address
     for this list is psyche-list at redhat.com I signed up for it
     somewhere on the Red Hat website.

> Thanks for your help..

     Keep passing questions, I'll answer as I am available.  For once,
     I can help someone!!  Yeah!

> john

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From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Thu Mar 27 01:28:37 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:28:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling Passwords
Message-ID: 

I am using Mailman V 2.0 

I want to know how I can disable the need for a new subscriber to create
password. I think the subscribers are going to find it quite annoying that
they have to create a password for our newsletter. They should just have
subscribe and unsubscribe options... 

Your Comments are appreciated... 

john

From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com  Thu Mar 27 02:05:46 2003
From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:05:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Disabling Passwords
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030326200259.03780e50@mail.lch-assoc.com>

At 07:28 PM 3/26/2003, you wrote:
>I am using Mailman V 2.0
>
>
>
>I want to know how I can disable the need for a new subscriber to create
>password. I think the subscribers are going to find it quite annoying that
>they have to create a password for our newsletter. They should just have
>subscribe and unsubscribe options...

I use v2.1.1, and have a lot of lists set up as "Newsletter" style, and 
none of the users are given passwords.  Since I don't allow archiving of 
the newsletters, and they don't want/need to go to the web page to change 
their settings, they are subscribed and unsubscribed without notices being 
sent to the members.

Larry

>
>
>Your Comments are appreciated...
>
>
>
>john

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Thu Mar 27 02:00:22 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:00:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Disabling Passwords
Message-ID: 

Is that a manual process? Do they send the unsubscribe to you and then you
take them off the list or is that a scripted feature of 2.1 that is not
available in 2.0.

If it is not manual how did you go about configuring it.. 

Thanks for your help.. 

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Hansford [mailto:lhansfor at lch-assoc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:06 PM
To: Sullivan, John
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: Disabling Passwords

At 07:28 PM 3/26/2003, you wrote:
>I am using Mailman V 2.0
>
>
>
>I want to know how I can disable the need for a new subscriber to create
>password. I think the subscribers are going to find it quite annoying that
>they have to create a password for our newsletter. They should just have
>subscribe and unsubscribe options...

I use v2.1.1, and have a lot of lists set up as "Newsletter" style, and 
none of the users are given passwords.  Since I don't allow archiving of 
the newsletters, and they don't want/need to go to the web page to change 
their settings, they are subscribed and unsubscribed without notices being 
sent to the members.

Larry

>
>
>Your Comments are appreciated...
>
>
>
>john

From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 27 02:14:59 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:14:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Disabling Passwords
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030326200259.03780e50@mail.lch-assoc.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030326200259.03780e50@mail.lch-assoc.com>
Message-ID: <7186744171.20030326171459@earthlink.net>

Howdy Larry,

How did you make the changes for this.  Is it in the Admin
configuration panels?  (I don't remember it there)

Peace,
George Halley

--- 5:05:46 PM, you wrote:

> At 07:28 PM 3/26/2003, you wrote:
>>I am using Mailman V 2.0
>>
>>
>>
>>I want to know how I can disable the need for a new subscriber to create
>>password. I think the subscribers are going to find it quite annoying that
>>they have to create a password for our newsletter. They should just have
>>subscribe and unsubscribe options...

> I use v2.1.1, and have a lot of lists set up as "Newsletter" style, and 
> none of the users are given passwords.  Since I don't allow archiving of 
> the newsletters, and they don't want/need to go to the web page to change 
> their settings, they are subscribed and unsubscribed without notices being 
> sent to the members.

> Larry

>>
>>
>>Your Comments are appreciated...
>>
>>
>>
>>john

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From dallas at dreamhost.com  Thu Mar 27 02:23:08 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:23:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Disabling Passwords
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

I'm not sure how he set it up, but you could just set up a  
'subscription form' or whatever that your users fill in that hooks into  
a cgi script that just sends off an email to the appropriate mailman  
subscribe address.  If you subscribe an address via email with mailman,  
it will just make up a random password for the user.  If your users  
don't need to use it ever, they'll never know the difference.

	Dallas

On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 05:00 pm, Sullivan, John wrote:

> Is that a manual process? Do they send the unsubscribe to you and then  
> you
> take them off the list or is that a scripted feature of 2.1 that is not
> available in 2.0.
>
> If it is not manual how did you go about configuring it..
>
> Thanks for your help..
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Hansford [mailto:lhansfor at lch-assoc.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:06 PM
> To: Sullivan, John
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: Disabling Passwords
>
> At 07:28 PM 3/26/2003, you wrote:
>> I am using Mailman V 2.0
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to know how I can disable the need for a new subscriber to  
>> create
>> password. I think the subscribers are going to find it quite annoying  
>> that
>> they have to create a password for our newsletter. They should just  
>> have
>> subscribe and unsubscribe options...
>
> I use v2.1.1, and have a lot of lists set up as "Newsletter" style, and
> none of the users are given passwords.  Since I don't allow archiving  
> of
> the newsletters, and they don't want/need to go to the web page to  
> change
> their settings, they are subscribed and unsubscribed without notices  
> being
> sent to the members.
>
> Larry
>
>
>>
>>
>> Your Comments are appreciated...
>>
>>
>>
>> john
>
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From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com  Thu Mar 27 03:39:05 2003
From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:39:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Disabling Passwords
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030326212319.03714610@mail.lch-assoc.com>

At 08:23 PM 3/26/2003, Dallas Bethune wrote:

>I'm not sure how he set it up, but you could just set up a
>'subscription form' or whatever that your users fill in that hooks into
>a cgi script that just sends off an email to the appropriate mailman
>subscribe address.  If you subscribe an address via email with mailman,
>it will just make up a random password for the user.  If your users
>don't need to use it ever, they'll never know the difference.
>
>         Dallas

That's basically it.

I disabled:
    Sending Welcome Message
    Sending Goodbye Message
    Sending password reminders
    Digests
    Archives

I removed the footer with the web link
I set all list members as Moderated, except the ones allowed to post to the 
list
I set all moderated members or non-members to reject with a message of the 
address to send mail to
I set an Explicit Reply-To address
I set subscriptions to require approval, but not unsubscriptions

Initial setup is done with mass subscriptions.  Large lists are broken down 
into multiple text files with 1,000 names or less per list, and then mass 
subscriptions done multiple times.

Subsequent subscriptions are done either via the List Owner adding them, or 
via e-mail subscribe. the same with unsubscribes.

I think that is basically the setup.

Larry

>On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 05:00 pm, Sullivan, John wrote:
>
>>Is that a manual process? Do they send the unsubscribe to you and then
>>you
>>take them off the list or is that a scripted feature of 2.1 that is not
>>available in 2.0.
>>
>>If it is not manual how did you go about configuring it..
>>
>>Thanks for your help..
>>
>>John
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Larry Hansford [mailto:lhansfor at lch-assoc.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:06 PM
>>To: Sullivan, John
>>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>>Subject: Re: Disabling Passwords
>>
>>At 07:28 PM 3/26/2003, you wrote:
>>>I am using Mailman V 2.0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I want to know how I can disable the need for a new subscriber to
>>>create
>>>password. I think the subscribers are going to find it quite annoying
>>>that
>>>they have to create a password for our newsletter. They should just
>>>have
>>>subscribe and unsubscribe options...
>>
>>I use v2.1.1, and have a lot of lists set up as "Newsletter" style, and
>>none of the users are given passwords.  Since I don't allow archiving
>>of
>>the newsletters, and they don't want/need to go to the web page to
>>change
>>their settings, they are subscribed and unsubscribed without notices
>>being
>>sent to the members.
>>
>>Larry
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Your Comments are appreciated...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>john
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
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>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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>>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>>This message was sent to: dallas at dreamhost.com
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From alex at neptune.ca  Thu Mar 27 17:07:24 2003
From: alex at neptune.ca (Alex Salamon)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:07:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman install on Debian problem.
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030327110041.030e79f0@mail.neptune.ca>

I'm a bit of a newbie and am having problems figuring how to use 
mailman.  I've installed mailman using apt-get and I'm trying to figure out 
to which directory to create a symbolic link for apache.  I'm not entirely 
sure that this is what I'm supposed to be doing, just that I've done it for 
other software that I've installed.  The furthest that I've gone is to link 
to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman, but when I go to http://mydomain/mailman/admin 
I get a page that has a bunch of japanese characters and some html.  The 
html referes to a Mailman CGI Error.  Another part of the page says "The 
expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by the 
Web server.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.  So far the only help that 
I've received is that Mailman is supposed to work out of the box, which 
doesn't appear to be the case for me.  I even tried a dpkg ---purge on it 
and then re-installing and still get the same results.

Thanks

Alex

From irix at clanradium.com  Thu Mar 27 18:15:01 2003
From: irix at clanradium.com (irix at clanradium.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:15:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration Help
Message-ID: <1048785301.3e83319594ee5@www.clanradium.com>

Hi, I need some help migrating our mailing lists.  I've looked on list.org, and
searched google, and I've yet to find anyone who's done what I'm doing. 
Basically, we have our lists running on a Linux box with mailman 2.0.13.  We're
moving it to Solaris, using mailman 2.0.13.  I obviously can't just tar up the
directories, so I need to know what I need to take from the Linux install to get
it working on Solaris.  I've tried a bunch of different things, the only thing
that I haven't done is recreating the lists, then importing their respective
directories and archives.  I can't really do this, as I only manage one out of
the many lists we have.. if I have to I will, but there has to be an easier way.
 Mailman works fine for lists that I create on that box, so the Solaris install
is not the problem, it's just the lists I try to move.

Can anyone out there shed some light on this for me?

Thanks,

Jeff

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Thu Mar 27 19:32:28 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:32:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Disabling Passwords
Message-ID: 

Are the Moderator Flags only available in 2.1 I don't see them available in
2.0 - 

Also has anyone tried the mailman wrapper to remove the password feature
located at: http://satya.virtualave.net/download.html#mailmanw

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Dallas Bethune [mailto:dallas at dreamhost.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:23 PM
To: Sullivan, John
Cc: 'Larry Hansford'; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: Disabling Passwords

I'm not sure how he set it up, but you could just set up a  
'subscription form' or whatever that your users fill in that hooks into  
a cgi script that just sends off an email to the appropriate mailman  
subscribe address.  If you subscribe an address via email with mailman,  
it will just make up a random password for the user.  If your users  
don't need to use it ever, they'll never know the difference.

	Dallas

On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 05:00 pm, Sullivan, John wrote:

> Is that a manual process? Do they send the unsubscribe to you and then  
> you
> take them off the list or is that a scripted feature of 2.1 that is not
> available in 2.0.
>
> If it is not manual how did you go about configuring it..
>
> Thanks for your help..
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Hansford [mailto:lhansfor at lch-assoc.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:06 PM
> To: Sullivan, John
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: Disabling Passwords
>
> At 07:28 PM 3/26/2003, you wrote:
>> I am using Mailman V 2.0
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to know how I can disable the need for a new subscriber to  
>> create
>> password. I think the subscribers are going to find it quite annoying  
>> that
>> they have to create a password for our newsletter. They should just  
>> have
>> subscribe and unsubscribe options...
>
> I use v2.1.1, and have a lot of lists set up as "Newsletter" style, and
> none of the users are given passwords.  Since I don't allow archiving  
> of
> the newsletters, and they don't want/need to go to the web page to  
> change
> their settings, they are subscribed and unsubscribed without notices  
> being
> sent to the members.
>
> Larry
>
>
>>
>>
>> Your Comments are appreciated...
>>
>>
>>
>> john
>
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From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Thu Mar 27 19:37:52 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:37:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Disabling Passwords
Message-ID: 

Hi - 

I have setup Mailman 2.0 and have created a list with a few dummy users in
it. (Including myself - aka dummy user) 

How do I go about sending out test emails to the entire list- I am able to
send out welcome messages and such but can't figure out how to send an email
out to the entire list. 

The way my old system worked was that I would send an email to the system
lets say lists at domain.com the system would then send me back an email to
authenticate with confirming that I wanted to send to the entire list once I
replied the emails would start going out to the list. 

Thanks for your help.. 

- john

From laguilar at fisc.utp.ac.pa  Thu Mar 27 20:52:23 2003
From: laguilar at fisc.utp.ac.pa (Leonardo O. Aguilar S.)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:52:23 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help,, installation mailman
Message-ID: <005201c2f49a$62df7db0$2d0a4da8@GWEB3>

Hi,,, a need some help,,, i was trying install mailman 2.1 in a machine runnig linux 6.2 kernel 2.4.19 but,, i have a problem,, i'm using the INSTALL file included in the mailman2.1.tar.gz,,, but anyways mailman dont work,, help me

message error "404 file not found"

thanks

From laguilar at fisc.utp.ac.pa  Thu Mar 27 21:02:27 2003
From: laguilar at fisc.utp.ac.pa (Leonardo O. Aguilar S.)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:02:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	=?iso-8859-1?q?TENGO_un_problema_con_el_mailman_2=2E1_alg?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?uien_que_hable_espa=F1ol_que_pueda_ayudrame?=
Message-ID: <008301c2f49b$caae6450$2d0a4da8@GWEB3>

alguien que hable espa?ol por favor,,, me cuesta el ingles,, tengo un problema con el mailman 2.1

From rhinojo at sccs.swarthmore.edu  Thu Mar 27 20:18:27 2003
From: rhinojo at sccs.swarthmore.edu (Rafael Hinojosa)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:18:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help,, installation mailman
In-Reply-To: <005201c2f49a$62df7db0$2d0a4da8@GWEB3>
Message-ID: 

How are you trying to access mailman?  What URL are you using?

You'll want to make sure that you've configured apache to properly handle
the CGI requests.

On my systems, I access mailman by using the url

	http:///cgi-bin/mailman/

The commands are located in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin.  Each of them will
do seperate things, its usually easy to try "listinfo" to make sure that
mailman is running.

This will only check to see if mailman is accessable, it does NOT verify
that your configuration is okay.

Good luck,

--Raf

On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Leonardo O. Aguilar S. wrote:

> Hi,,, a need some help,,, i was trying install mailman 2.1 in a machine runnig linux 6.2 kernel 2.4.19 but,, i have a problem,, i'm using the INSTALL file included in the mailman2.1.tar.gz,,, but anyways mailman dont work,, help me
>
> message error "404 file not found"
>
> thanks
>
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Rafael A. Hinojosa			rhinojo at sccs.swarthmore.edu

From rhinojo at sccs.swarthmore.edu  Thu Mar 27 20:24:27 2003
From: rhinojo at sccs.swarthmore.edu (Rafael Hinojosa)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:24:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help,, installation mailman (fwd)
Message-ID: 

Sorry about the double posting if it occurs...

Leonardo's e-mail doesn't check out.  And I'm not sure if postfix will
send the message to the receipent in CC if it can't send to the receipent
in the To header.

--Raf

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:18:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Rafael Hinojosa 
To: Leonardo O. Aguilar S. 
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help,, installation mailman

How are you trying to access mailman?  What URL are you using?

You'll want to make sure that you've configured apache to properly handle
the CGI requests.

On my systems, I access mailman by using the url

	http:///cgi-bin/mailman/

The commands are located in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin.  Each of them will
do seperate things, its usually easy to try "listinfo" to make sure that
mailman is running.

This will only check to see if mailman is accessable, it does NOT verify
that your configuration is okay.

Good luck,

--Raf

On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Leonardo O. Aguilar S. wrote:

> Hi,,, a need some help,,, i was trying install mailman 2.1 in a machine runnig linux 6.2 kernel 2.4.19 but,, i have a problem,, i'm using the INSTALL file included in the mailman2.1.tar.gz,,, but anyways mailman dont work,, help me
>
> message error "404 file not found"
>
> thanks
>
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From hillson at iastate.edu  Thu Mar 27 22:06:17 2003
From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:06:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.1 install question
Message-ID: 

I am helping a friend set up Mailman 2.1.1 on a new RedHat 8.0 
server, with Postfix as the MTA.

I have only one problem the email goes into the server and goes into 
the qfiles/in folder but it does not get passed on anywhere. It just 
sits there. It is accepting email from Postfix, why would it not be 
passing back out again.

thanks,

-- 
--Tom
/---------------------------------------------------------
| Tom Hillson              Computer Services Manager
|(515) 294-1543            College of Agriculture
|                                    Iowa State University
---------------------------------------------------------
|"The only thing I have too much of is too little time"

From webperson at now.org  Thu Mar 27 22:09:59 2003
From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:09:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce log: couldn't get list lock; endless queue
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030327125228.04abb410@now.org>

Mailman seems to still be processing bounces from a mailing we sent 
out.  It's taking forever (days) and all unsubscribe/subscribe requests are 
piling up.  When I look at the bounce log, it says:

Mar 27 15:41:16 2003 (11742) now-summary: couldn't get list lock
Mar 27 15:41:28 2003 (11742) now-summary: couldn't get list lock
Mar 27 15:41:38 2003 (11742) now-summary: couldn't get list lock
Mar 27 15:42:26 2003 (11742) now-summary: couldn't get list lock
Mar 27 15:43:15 2003 (11742) now-summary: couldn't get list lock
Mar 27 15:44:14 2003 (11742) now-summary: blah at blah.com residual bounce 
received
Mar 27 15:44:38 2003 (11742) now-summary: couldn't get list lock
Mar 27 15:44:50 2003 (11742) now-summary: couldn't get list lock

People trying to interact with the list are finding it timing out.  I've 
restarted it a few times, but to no avail.  qfiles/virgin has 10,000 files 
in it.

Every minute it does manage to get something done, like disable a 
member.  Or at least, I'm *just* receiving the email for it.  I *just* 
received this email related to this:
bounce:Mar 23 11:57:12 2003 (21655) now-summary: blah at blah.com disabling 
due to bounce score 5.0 >= 5.0

If I change the list settings NOW, will it stop notifying me about these 
old messages and speed up?

From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 27 22:15:07 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:15:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.1 install question
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1609868593.20030327131507@earthlink.net>

Howdy Tom,

mailmanctl needs to be running to push the qfiles through the system.

>From the Mailman directory type "bin/mailmanctl start"

and check it by "ps -e"  You will probably see the mailmanctl and you
will definitely see ~6 python daemons.

Peace,
George Halley

--- 1:06:17 PM, you wrote:

> I am helping a friend set up Mailman 2.1.1 on a new RedHat 8.0 
> server, with Postfix as the MTA.

> I have only one problem the email goes into the server and goes into 
> the qfiles/in folder but it does not get passed on anywhere. It just 
> sits there. It is accepting email from Postfix, why would it not be 
> passing back out again.

> thanks,

From alex at neptune.ca  Thu Mar 27 22:50:01 2003
From: alex at neptune.ca (Alex Salamon)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:50:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030327164838.030f38dc@mail.neptune.ca>

I have a new install of Mailman and just created my first list.  One 
problem I've found is that when I click on Go to list archives, I get taken 
to a page that doesn't exist.
What do I need to do to fix this?

Alex

From paul at ovro.caltech.edu  Thu Mar 27 23:00:44 2003
From: paul at ovro.caltech.edu (Paul Daniel)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:00:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not posting (using postfix w/ RH 8)
In-Reply-To: ;
	03:57:31PM -0500
References: 
Message-ID: <20030327140044.A22968@mojave.ovro.caltech.edu>

Greetings:  I have installed mailman 2.1.1 on RedHat 8.0 with python 2.2.2 and
postfix 2.0.2.  The install seemed to go well but the posting is not working:

symptoms:
- list administrators are not notified when a list has been created
- list administrators are able to administrer their lists using the web
- list members may post messages - and the messages are properly archived
- non-list members may not post messages but nobody gets a bounced message
- list members never receive any posted messages

what i've checked:

- /bin/check_perms is ok
- crontab was created as 'root' with /bin/cron> crontab -u mailman
crontab.in 
- aliases and aliases.db are up to date; postfix knows where to find them
and has reloaded them several times
- not using smrsh with postfix
- nothing of note in /locks | logs
- postfix on this host can deliver mail (otherwise you wouldn't receive this)

thanks in advance
-- 

Paul 
paul at ovro.caltech.edu

From boettiger at pobox.com  Thu Mar 27 23:02:56 2003
From: boettiger at pobox.com (Adam Boettiger)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:02:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030327164838.030f38dc@mail.neptune.ca>
Message-ID: 

On 3/27/03 1:50 PM, "Alex Salamon"  wrote:

> I have a new install of Mailman and just created my first list.  One
> problem I've found is that when I click on Go to list archives, I get taken
> to a page that doesn't exist.
> What do I need to do to fix this?

You need to post a message to your list before there can be an archives to
view that message, Alex.  :)

AB

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Thu Mar 27 23:04:45 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:04:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost.. 
Message-ID: 

OK A few problems here. 

I have Red Hat 8.0 - Send mail working - MailMan 2.0 somewhat working.. 

I have configured a list and have signed a few accounts up as tests. 

However, when I login in as Administrator and go to the page where I can do
the following.

To post a message to all the list members, send email to
minutes at lists.dummy.com  .

I send a message to the list but nothing happens it seems that none of the 5
test accounts that I have setup receive an email. Nor do I get a bounce back
telling me that anything failed. 

My Server name is lists.dummy.com 

I have archiving enabled for private use but when I got the Archive page I
see this: 

Archive File Not Found

No file /minutes/ (/var/mailman/archives/private/minutes/)

Does anyone have any idea what I am doing wrong.. I just want to send out a
newsletter and I am getting to the point of wits end... 

Thanks.. 

John

From lj at mandala-designs.com  Thu Mar 27 23:19:08 2003
From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs )
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:19:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] special characters in subscriber address
Message-ID: <200303271719.AA6292618@mandala-designs.com>

Somehow a user got subscribed as "pgyallay"@keap at fone.net and this seems to be causing problems with my list. Unfortunately I am unable to unsubscribe this user using the command line remove_members or the web interface.

How do I remove this member from the list?

Is it possible that this member is causing problems in deliveing messages to my list? The list is 8,600 members and today's mailing seemed to only reach 235 subscribers.

Thanks for any help.

________________________________________________________________
Sent via the WebMessaging system at mandala-designs.com

From alex at phred.org  Thu Mar 27 23:24:35 2003
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:24:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] special characters in subscriber address
In-Reply-To: <200303271719.AA6292618@mandala-designs.com>
Message-ID: <20030327142231.J73229-100000@phred.org>

On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, ljacobs wrote:
> Somehow a user got subscribed as "pgyallay"@keap at fone.net and this
> seems to be causing problems with my list.  Unfortunately I am
> unable to unsubscribe this user using the command line
> remove_members or the web interface.
>
> How do I remove this member from the list?

I wrote a routine that is compatible with "withlist" for doing
this.  Save it into rmmember.py.

def rmmember(mlist, addr):
        try:
                print 'key: ', mlist.getMemberKey(addr)
                mlist.removeMember(mlist.getMemberKey(addr))
                mlist.Save()
        except NotAMember:
                print 'No address matched:', addr

Run "bin/withlist" to see usage on how withlist works.  This
command should remove your member:

% bin/withlist -l -r rmmember mylist  "pgyallay"@keap at fone.net

alex

From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 27 23:28:50 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:28:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not posting (using postfix w/ RH 8)
In-Reply-To: <20030327140044.A22968@mojave.ovro.caltech.edu>
References: 
 <20030327140044.A22968@mojave.ovro.caltech.edu>
Message-ID: <2514292078.20030327142850@earthlink.net>

Howdy Paul,

Is mailmanctl running?

mailmanctl needs to be running to push the qfiles through the system.

>From the Mailman directory type "bin/mailmanctl start"

and check it by "ps -e"  You will probably see the mailmanctl and you
will definitely see ~6 python daemons.

Peace,
G

--- 2:00:44 PM, you wrote:

> Greetings:  I have installed mailman 2.1.1 on RedHat 8.0 with python 2.2.2 and
> postfix 2.0.2.  The install seemed to go well but the posting is not working:

> symptoms:
> - list administrators are not notified when a list has been created
> - list administrators are able to administrer their lists using the web
> - list members may post messages - and the messages are properly archived
> - non-list members may not post messages but nobody gets a bounced message
> - list members never receive any posted messages

> what i've checked:

> - /bin/check_perms is ok
> - crontab was created as 'root' with /bin/cron> crontab -u mailman
> crontab.in 
> - aliases and aliases.db are up to date; postfix knows where to find them
> and has reloaded them several times
> - not using smrsh with postfix
> - nothing of note in /locks | logs
> - postfix on this host can deliver mail (otherwise you wouldn't receive this)

> thanks in advance

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Fri Mar 28 00:12:33 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:12:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] special characters in subscriber address
In-Reply-To: <20030327142231.J73229-100000@phred.org>
References: <200303271719.AA6292618@mandala-designs.com>
	<20030327142231.J73229-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <20030327231233.GJ16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

alex wetmore wrote:
> I wrote a routine that is compatible with "withlist" for doing
> this.  Save it into rmmember.py.
>
> def rmmember(mlist, addr):
>         try:
>                 print 'key: ', mlist.getMemberKey(addr)
>                 mlist.removeMember(mlist.getMemberKey(addr))
>                 mlist.Save()
>         except NotAMember:
>                 print 'No address matched:', addr
>
> Run "bin/withlist" to see usage on how withlist works.  This
> command should remove your member:
>
> % bin/withlist -l -r rmmember mylist  "pgyallay"@keap at fone.net

Wouldn't you have to backmask the quotes so they get past the shell?

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
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important of all the lessons of history.
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From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 28 00:28:35 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:28:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <9317877031.20030327152835@earthlink.net>

Howdy John

Is mailmanctl operating?

Do you have files in the qfiles?

Peace,
G

--- 2:04:45 PM, you wrote:

> OK A few problems here. 

> I have Red Hat 8.0 - Send mail working - MailMan 2.0 somewhat working.. 

> I have configured a list and have signed a few accounts up as tests. 

> However, when I login in as Administrator and go to the page where I can do
> the following.

> To post a message to all the list members, send email to
> minutes at lists.dummy.com  .

> I send a message to the list but nothing happens it seems that none of the 5
> test accounts that I have setup receive an email. Nor do I get a bounce back
> telling me that anything failed. 

> My Server name is lists.dummy.com 

> I have archiving enabled for private use but when I got the Archive page I
> see this: 

> Archive File Not Found

> No file /minutes/ (/var/mailman/archives/private/minutes/)

> Does anyone have any idea what I am doing wrong.. I just want to send out a
> newsletter and I am getting to the point of wits end... 

> Thanks.. 

> John

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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

> This message was sent to: GHHalley at earthlink.net
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ghhalley%40earthlink.net

From paul at ovro.caltech.edu  Fri Mar 28 00:32:25 2003
From: paul at ovro.caltech.edu (Paul Daniel)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:32:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not posting (using postfix w/ RH 8)
In-Reply-To: <2514292078.20030327142850@earthlink.net>
References: 
	<20030327140044.A22968@mojave.ovro.caltech.edu>
	<2514292078.20030327142850@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20030327233225.GA24816@bodie.ovro.caltech.edu>

mailman is running; "bin/mailmanctl start" works and I see six or seven
qrunners running as mailman.

Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 02:28:50PM -0800, ghhalley wrote:
> Howdy Paul,
> 
> Is mailmanctl running?
> 
> mailmanctl needs to be running to push the qfiles through the system.
> 
> >From the Mailman directory type "bin/mailmanctl start"
> 
> and check it by "ps -e"  You will probably see the mailmanctl and you
> will definitely see ~6 python daemons.
> 
> Peace,
> G
> 
> 
> --- 2:00:44 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > Greetings:  I have installed mailman 2.1.1 on RedHat 8.0 with python 2.2.2 and
> > postfix 2.0.2.  The install seemed to go well but the posting is not working:
> 
> > symptoms:
> > - list administrators are not notified when a list has been created
> > - list administrators are able to administrer their lists using the web
> > - list members may post messages - and the messages are properly archived
> > - non-list members may not post messages but nobody gets a bounced message
> > - list members never receive any posted messages
> 
> > what i've checked:
> 
> > - /bin/check_perms is ok
> > - crontab was created as 'root' with /bin/cron> crontab -u mailman
> > crontab.in 
> > - aliases and aliases.db are up to date; postfix knows where to find them
> > and has reloaded them several times
> > - not using smrsh with postfix
> > - nothing of note in /locks | logs
> > - postfix on this host can deliver mail (otherwise you wouldn't receive this)
> 
> > thanks in advance
> 

-- 

Paul Daniel
paul at ovro.caltech.edu
760.938.2075 ext 130

Owens Valley Radio Observatory
 - Go ahead; we're listening

From boettiger at pobox.com  Fri Mar 28 00:35:38 2003
From: boettiger at pobox.com (Adam Boettiger)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:35:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Populating fields in footers
Message-ID: 

I checked the FAQ and did not find an answer to this, so will ask:

At the bottom of messages from this list the subscriber's email address and
removal address are populated:

This message was sent to: boettiger at pobox.com
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/boettiger%40pobox.com

How is this accomplished?  Is is available as a feature in 2.0?

AB

From hillson at iastate.edu  Fri Mar 28 00:38:02 2003
From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:38:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.1 install question
In-Reply-To: <1609868593.20030327131507@earthlink.net>
References: 
 <1609868593.20030327131507@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: 

Thanks for the help, I got that fixed now I am getting a different 
error that is bouncing the email and it is not getting put into 
qfiles.

This is the error I see in my maillog now.
Mar 27 17:38:17 agmail postfix/local[23204]: E1237103824: 
to=, relay=local, delay=2, status=bounced 
(Command died with status 1: "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post help")

At 1:15 PM -0800 3/27/03, ghhalley wrote:
>Howdy Tom,
>
>mailmanctl needs to be running to push the qfiles through the system.
>
>>From the Mailman directory type "bin/mailmanctl start"
>
>and check it by "ps -e"  You will probably see the mailmanctl and you
>will definitely see ~6 python daemons.
>
>Peace,
>George Halley
>
>
>--- 1:06:17 PM, you wrote:
>
>>  I am helping a friend set up Mailman 2.1.1 on a new RedHat 8.0
>>  server, with Postfix as the MTA.
>
>>  I have only one problem the email goes into the server and goes into
>>  the qfiles/in folder but it does not get passed on anywhere. It just
>>  sits there. It is accepting email from Postfix, why would it not be
>>  passing back out again.
>
>  > thanks,

-- 
--Tom
/---------------------------------------------------------
| Tom Hillson              Computer Services Manager
|(515) 294-1543            College of Agriculture
|                          Iowa State University
---------------------------------------------------------
|"The only thing I have too much of is too little time"

From lj at mandala-designs.com  Fri Mar 28 00:49:18 2003
From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs )
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:49:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] special characters in subscriber address
Message-ID: <200303271849.AA7734334@mandala-designs.com>

Alex --

Thanks again. I am running Mailman 2.1 with python 2.2.2 on a Red Hat 7.1 system. The syntax of your python script matched what I saw in the withlist example, but there must be something else that prevents me from deleting that address with the quotes. 

I've been running Mailman for 3 years and I never had a subscriber with special characters in their address before. Nor have I had problems like I've experienced lately with this Mailman list: only a few members getting the mailings, irregular bounce messages, etc. Is the new version of Mailman allowing these special cahracters that were not possible with 2.0x?

I have rmlist that list and dumped the members editing the bad address and then added them into a new list. The archives were pretty limited and it is a moderator only-posting list.

Thanks again for your suggestions.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: alex wetmore 
Date:  Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:55:43 -0800 (PST)

>What version of mailman are you using?  If you run withlist it should
>give you an example similar function called "changepw", if so then
>just model rmmember to be similar.
>
>alex
>
>On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, ljacobs  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Alex, but there must be something I am missing. I tried the script you sent, but the member did not get deleted and the error is below (Server is "tulku" and the list is "wisdomnews"):
>>
>> tulku mailman]# bin/withlist -l -r rmmember wisdomnews "pgyallay"@keap at fon
>> Importing rmmember...
>> Running rmmember.rmmember()...
>> Loading list wisdomnews (locked)
>> key:
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "bin/withlist", line 275, in ?
>>     main()
>>   File "bin/withlist", line 256, in main
>>     r = do_list(listname, args, func)
>>   File "bin/withlist", line 189, in do_list
>>     return func(m, *args)
>>   File "/home/mailman/rmmember.py", line 6, in rmmember
>>     except NotAMember:
>> NameError: global name 'NotAMember' is not defined
>> Unlocking (but not saving) list: wisdomnews
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> From: alex wetmore 
>> Date:  Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:24:35 -0800 (PST)
>>
>> >On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, ljacobs wrote:
>> >> Somehow a user got subscribed as "pgyallay"@keap at fone.net and this
>> >> seems to be causing problems with my list.  Unfortunately I am
>> >> unable to unsubscribe this user using the command line
>> >> remove_members or the web interface.
>> >>
>> >> How do I remove this member from the list?
>> >
>> >I wrote a routine that is compatible with "withlist" for doing
>> >this.  Save it into rmmember.py.
>> >
>> >def rmmember(mlist, addr):
>> >        try:
>> >                print 'key: ', mlist.getMemberKey(addr)
>> >                mlist.removeMember(mlist.getMemberKey(addr))
>> >                mlist.Save()
>> >        except NotAMember:
>> >                print 'No address matched:', addr
>> >
>> >Run "bin/withlist" to see usage on how withlist works.  This
>> >command should remove your member:
>> >
>> >% bin/withlist -l -r rmmember mylist  "pgyallay"@keap at fone.net
>> >
>> >alex
>> >
>> >
>> >---
>> >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________
>> Sent via the WebMessaging system at mandala-designs.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>---
>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
>

________________________________________________________________
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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Fri Mar 28 01:15:12 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:15:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Populating fields in footers
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030328001512.GK16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Adam Boettiger wrote:
> At the bottom of messages from this list the subscriber's email address and
> removal address are populated:
>
> This message was sent to: boettiger at pobox.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/boettiger%40pobox.com
>
> How is this accomplished?

By turning on personalization for the list and editing the footer to include
some variables that get replaced by the subscribers address and options URL.

> Is is available as a feature in 2.0?

No.  You need 2.1 or greater and OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION needs to
be set to 1 in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
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Whenever we take away the liberties of those whom we hate we are opening
the way to loss of liberty for those we love.
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From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 28 01:25:34 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:25:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.1 install question
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
 <1609868593.20030327131507@earthlink.net>

Message-ID: <9121295875.20030327162534@earthlink.net>

Howdy Tom,

If the error message matches the syntax of your alias files, then you
need to change wrapper to mailman.  The name changed in 2.1.1

For example, these are my aliases for a list on my machine.

hlt-news:              "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post hlt-news"
hlt-news-admin:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin hlt-news"
hlt-news-bounces:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces hlt-news"
hlt-news-confirm:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm hlt-news"
hlt-news-join:         "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join hlt-news"
hlt-news-leave:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave hlt-news"
hlt-news-owner:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner hlt-news"
hlt-news-request:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request hlt-news"
hlt-news-subscribe:    "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe hlt-news"
hlt-news-unsubscribe:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe hlt-news"

Peace,
G

--- 3:38:02 PM, you wrote:

> Thanks for the help, I got that fixed now I am getting a different 
> error that is bouncing the email and it is not getting put into 
> qfiles.

> This is the error I see in my maillog now.
> Mar 27 17:38:17 agmail postfix/local[23204]: E1237103824: 
> to=, relay=local, delay=2, status=bounced 
> (Command died with status 1: "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post help")

> At 1:15 PM -0800 3/27/03, ghhalley wrote:
>>Howdy Tom,
>>
>>mailmanctl needs to be running to push the qfiles through the system.
>>
>>>From the Mailman directory type "bin/mailmanctl start"
>>
>>and check it by "ps -e"  You will probably see the mailmanctl and you
>>will definitely see ~6 python daemons.
>>
>>Peace,
>>George Halley
>>
>>
>>--- 1:06:17 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>>  I am helping a friend set up Mailman 2.1.1 on a new RedHat 8.0
>>>  server, with Postfix as the MTA.
>>
>>>  I have only one problem the email goes into the server and goes into
>>>  the qfiles/in folder but it does not get passed on anywhere. It just
>>>  sits there. It is accepting email from Postfix, why would it not be
>>>  passing back out again.
>>
>>  > thanks,

From ghhalley at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 28 01:33:14 2003
From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:33:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not posting (using postfix w/ RH 8)
In-Reply-To: <20030327233225.GA24816@bodie.ovro.caltech.edu>
References: 
 <20030327140044.A22968@mojave.ovro.caltech.edu>
 <2514292078.20030327142850@earthlink.net>
 <20030327233225.GA24816@bodie.ovro.caltech.edu>
Message-ID: <1221756406.20030327163314@earthlink.net>

Howdy Paul,

There are a number of routes to go, and I probably don't have them all
in mind.

Check FAQ 3.14 -- it was helpful in my situation

Also, when I initially set up, my aliases were wrong.  Just sent out
a post to another question with example aliases in it.  (I'm doubting
this is your problem, though)

I have no experience with Postfix, but it sounds like a Mailman
problem.

This symptom:
>> > - non-list members may not post messages but nobody gets a bounced message
can be turned off or on in the administration panels if I understand
it properly.

I'm out of time and ideas

Peace,
G

--- 3:32:25 PM, you wrote:

> mailman is running; "bin/mailmanctl start" works and I see six or seven
> qrunners running as mailman.

> Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 02:28:50PM -0800, ghhalley wrote:
>> Howdy Paul,
>> 
>> Is mailmanctl running?
>> 
>> mailmanctl needs to be running to push the qfiles through the system.
>> 
>> >From the Mailman directory type "bin/mailmanctl start"
>> 
>> and check it by "ps -e"  You will probably see the mailmanctl and you
>> will definitely see ~6 python daemons.
>> 
>> Peace,
>> G
>> 
>> 
>> --- 2:00:44 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>> > Greetings:  I have installed mailman 2.1.1 on RedHat 8.0 with python 2.2.2 and
>> > postfix 2.0.2.  The install seemed to go well but the posting is not working:
>> 
>> > symptoms:
>> > - list administrators are not notified when a list has been created
>> > - list administrators are able to administrer their lists using the web
>> > - list members may post messages - and the messages are properly archived
>> > - non-list members may not post messages but nobody gets a bounced message
>> > - list members never receive any posted messages
>> 
>> > what i've checked:
>> 
>> > - /bin/check_perms is ok
>> > - crontab was created as 'root' with /bin/cron> crontab -u mailman
>> > crontab.in 
>> > - aliases and aliases.db are up to date; postfix knows where to find them
>> > and has reloaded them several times
>> > - not using smrsh with postfix
>> > - nothing of note in /locks | logs
>> > - postfix on this host can deliver mail (otherwise you wouldn't receive this)
>> 
>> > thanks in advance
>> 

From davidc at bonair.stanford.edu  Fri Mar 28 01:48:11 2003
From: davidc at bonair.stanford.edu (David Chait)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:48:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List not posting properly
Message-ID: <018401c2f4c3$b56d6280$aeeb40ab@stanford.edu>

Greetings all,
    I've run into a real fix unfortunately. A new list was created yesterday and seemed to function properly for about 2 hours, then stopped..the list was supposidly fixed, and then did roughly the same thing. While this list has failed, others still work perfectly. The only error which is generated is as follows:

Mar 27 16:42:31 2003 (16046) SHUNTING: 1048812150.8010221+1f39fab59a41280a17050a8e0b647a064080c678
Mar 27 16:45:28 2003 (16046) Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no attribute 'get'
Mar 27 16:45:28 2003 (16046) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in _dispose
    status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 87, in process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 128, in send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 211, in send_i18n_digests
    subject = msg.get('subject', _('(no subject)'))
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'get'

Mar 27 16:45:28 2003 (16046) SHUNTING: 1048812327.853418+f0bfc093dc0290e5b0834bf88edccecac5612b7f

Has anyone seen this before? This is MM 2.1 on RH 7.3

Thanks,
David

From sleek at enabled.com  Fri Mar 28 01:46:32 2003
From: sleek at enabled.com (sleek)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:46:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts - archive hostname troubles
Message-ID: <20030326180303.M8474@enabled.com>

okay I just want to make sure I am setting this up properly - I have virtual
hosts in place.  Installed mailman 2.1.1 on FreeBSD 4.7 Stable machine.

I updated /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py with the following:

VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'lists.host1.com':'host1.com',
                 'lists.host2.com':'host2.com',
                 'lists.host3.com':'host3.com'}
VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 1

then I fixed the maillists.  by the following command:

withlist -l -r fix_url testing -u lists.host1.com

I have a bit of trouble though.  I can see it in the email header of processed
messages.  the archive hostname for the list still remains as the default name
of the machine.  how can I fix this?

Let me know if more information is needed.  I think I have desciribe 

- Noah

--
Net Enabled (http://www.enabled.com)

From richard at freespeech.org  Fri Mar 28 01:55:18 2003
From: richard at freespeech.org (Richard)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:55:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Start mailman on bootup?
Message-ID: <20030327175518.69bfac91.richard@freespeech.org>

Ok, this seems like a really simple one :) How do I get mailman to
start at boot time?

/home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start

in rc.local ? Don't see it as a service anywhere and the documentation
doesn't seem to address this issue. 

Cheers 
Richard 

From mcobb at cobbcomm.com  Fri Mar 28 03:56:26 2003
From: mcobb at cobbcomm.com (mcobb)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:56:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman "bug"?
Message-ID: 

Folks,

Everytime I try to create a list I get the following error.
However, the list is actually created? I'm running mailman 2.1,
postfix 1.11 and Apache. Any help appreciated.

Mike

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in
process_request
    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create
    _update_maps()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in _update_maps
    raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Python information:
Variable Value
sys.version 2.2.1 (#1, Aug 30 2002, 12:15:30) [GCC 3.2 20020822 (Red Hat
Linux Rawhide 3.2-4)]
sys.executable /usr/bin/python
sys.prefix /usr
sys.exec_prefix /usr
sys.path /usr
sys.platform linux2

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Environment variables:
Variable Value
CONTENT_LENGTH  146
CONTENT_TYPE  application/x-www-form-urlencoded
HTTP_COOKIE  trips+admin=
SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create
PYTHONPATH  /usr/local/mailman
SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux)
SERVER_ADMIN  root at localhost
SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/create
SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/2.0.40 Server at 192.168.0.60 Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD  POST
HTTP_HOST  192.168.0.60
SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING
HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL  no-cache
REQUEST_URI  /mailman/create
HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword,
application/pdf, */*
HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; YComp
5.0.0.0)
HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive
HTTP_REFERER  http://192.168.0.60/mailman/create
SERVER_NAME  192.168.0.60
REMOTE_ADDR  192.168.0.26
REMOTE_PORT  2311
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us
UNIQUE_ID  lrfWM8CoADwAABkuFSYAAAAG
SERVER_PORT  80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate
SERVER_ADDR  192.168.0.60
DOCUMENT_ROOT  /var/www/html

Michael Cobb (KF6MPI)
Cobb Communications Corp.

Computers are like air-conditioners:
They stop working properly as soon as
you open windows.

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Fri Mar 28 05:00:44 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:00:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman "bug"?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030328040044.GL16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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mcobb wrote:
> Everytime I try to create a list I get the following error.
> However, the list is actually created? I'm running mailman 2.1,
> postfix 1.11 and Apache. Any help appreciated.
[...]
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

Your permissions on /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases* are wrong.

See this newly created FAQ entry:

    http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp

(Please feel free to correct/update/clarify the entry if I've missed
something in creating it.)

BTW, Barry (or any other MM hackers), check_perms doesn't give a warning if
data/aliases.db isn't group writable.  If it's not, list creation via the
web produces the error above.  List creation via bin/newlist still works,
however.  It might save some folks some frustration if check_perms caught
this and fixed it.

- -- 
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============================================================================
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there.
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From listas at loquecreas.com  Fri Mar 28 05:21:15 2003
From: listas at loquecreas.com (Pablo Vieira)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 05:21:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
In-Reply-To: <20030326212254.9249.qmail@operamail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c2f4e1$7ab00490$0101a8c0@pablo>

I've asked my webhost to update mailman to a newer version and he's
asking the guys at Cpanel if he can make the update without crashing
Cpanel. I'll let you know when I have some more news (my particular
problem is internationalization, but I'm with you too: I want to change
case in my list's name also).

Regards,

Pablo

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: mailman-users-bounces+listas=loquecreas.com at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+listas=loquecreas.com at python.org
> ] En nombre de Jim Beach
> Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 26 de marzo de 2003 22:23
> Para: mailman-users at python.org
> Asunto: [Mailman-Users] 
> 
> 
> I've just set up a list for my website subscribers. Never 
> done anything like this before. I got mailman through my 
> webhost with "cpanel".
> 
> In the General Options category, first setting says I can 
> make case changes only to the public list name.
> 
> My list name is Damjamfans. I want it to be DamJamFans or 
> maybe damjamfans.
> 
> I've tried changing it but always get an error message:
> "real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the 
> list's name by case only."
> 
> According to this post from Todd in the archives, it could be cpanel:
> 
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg16259.html

Anyone have any ideas about this?
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From xen at john-calderon.com  Fri Mar 28 05:25:18 2003
From: xen at john-calderon.com (John Calderon)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:25:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH8, Mailman & Apache
Message-ID: <007b01c2f4e2$0a0940c0$0400a8c0@dravis>

After a couple days of reading through the posts, I now have my own help request.

I took the repeated advice to RTFM several times.  The INSTALL file was very informative for getting the Code installed (imagine that!).  However, it veers away sharply in talking about any HTTP service.

I'm using Apache 2.0.40 on RedHat 8.  I've installed Mailman using it's default install.  I even have a Virtual Host. All ready to go . . .except . . .

Where do you set the DocumentRoot to?  I do not see _any_ .html, .cgi, .pl or any other extension with any usable Markup Language.  I wish I could say it was a cryptic puzzle that I need help figuring out, but to what I can see it's just not there.

Remember, I'm using INSTALL as my main guide, so if there are any other docs or FAQs I'm missing I'd really appreciate a point in the next direction.  Thanks!

Xen

From boettiger at pobox.com  Fri Mar 28 06:58:35 2003
From: boettiger at pobox.com (Adam Boettiger)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:58:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any reliable hosts running 2.1?
Message-ID: 

Are there any reliable hosts that offer 2.1 as part of their hosting plan?

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Fri Mar 28 08:13:11 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 02:13:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH8, Mailman & Apache
In-Reply-To: <007b01c2f4e2$0a0940c0$0400a8c0@dravis>
References: <007b01c2f4e2$0a0940c0$0400a8c0@dravis>
Message-ID: <20030328071311.GM16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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John Calderon wrote:
> I'm using Apache 2.0.40 on RedHat 8.  I've installed Mailman using it's
> default install.  I even have a Virtual Host. All ready to go . . .except
> . . .
>
> Where do you set the DocumentRoot to?  I do not see _any_ .html, .cgi, .pl
> or any other extension with any usable Markup Language.  I wish I could
> say it was a cryptic puzzle that I need help figuring out, but to what I
> can see it's just not there.

The clue is in the lines:

          Exec          /mailman/*      $prefix/cgi-bin/*
      or:
          ScriptAlias   /mailman/       $prefix/cgi-bin/

For a normal apache install, you'll often have something like this either in
your httpd.conf or in a file in the conf.d directory (on RH 8 and various
versions of Mandrake):

    ScriptAlias /mailman/ $prefix/cgi-bin/
    Alias /pipermail/ $prefix/archives/public/

    	Options +FollowSymlinks

Replace $prefix with the directory you installed mailman in, /usr/local is
the default in Mailman 2.1, though Red Hat RPMS install it in /var/mailman.

You can put the above directives in a VirtualHost block if you only want
mailman to be accessible for that virtual host.

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From b at grabbarna.nu  Fri Mar 28 09:55:22 2003
From: b at grabbarna.nu (Jan Banan)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:55:22 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] msg_footer personal admin page reference
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I like to adjust the msg_footer so that it instead of refereing to the 
general admin page for all users
    %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(list_name)s
would refer to the personal admin page, maybe something like
    %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(list_name)s/%(email_of_subscriber)s

Is that possible? What is then the correct variable name of 
"email_of_subscriber"?

(using Mailman 2.1.1)

        Best regards / JB

From lj at mandala-designs.com  Fri Mar 28 14:51:21 2003
From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs )
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:51:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems mailing to the list
Message-ID: <200303280851.AA42730214@mandala-designs.com>

Folks --

Somehow this bogus address got entered into one of my lists. It was not obvious that this individual had entered this address or that it was being stored incorrectly, but while trying to understand why I was having problems with this list, I discovered this address, with quotes & all:
"pgyallay"@keap at fone.net

I have since deleted this address.

Now in the error file, when I was attempting to mail to this moderator-only list, I would get the following:

Mar 27 16:36:56 2003 (27183) Uncaught runner exception:
Mar 27 16:36:56 2003 (27183) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in _dispose
    status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 212, in process
    raise Errors.SomeRecipientsFailed(tempfailures, permfailures)
SomeRecipientsFailed

Mar 27 16:36:56 2003 (27183) SHUNTING: 1041577349.329875+47c1c7b9cd44c3e755ed5dc3549ab225ed1a848f

I do not understand the python error message, but does it seem like this error might be related to the attempt to mail the bogus address? And is it possible that having this address wedged in my list would prevent other members to receive emails from ths list?  That does appear to be the symptom, i.e., a very small number of subscribers received my last few mailings, and in fact when investigating the config.db with dumpb.db, it looked like most of the subscribers addressed had been flagged as bounced!

I then tried to remove all members from the list, but the remove_members command failed to remove all the members even though they all received a remove message! I had forgotten to change the "do not email the members when removed/unsubscribed"!

I understand there is a version of Mailman that prevents future subscriptions with bogus addresses, but does anyone think my problem with not being able to send messages to the entire list (8,600 members) is related to that bad address?

Thanks for any help and suggestions. 

________________________________________________________________
Sent via the WebMessaging system at mandala-designs.com

From hillson at iastate.edu  Fri Mar 28 14:57:20 2003
From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 07:57:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.1 install question
In-Reply-To: <9121295875.20030327162534@earthlink.net>
References: 
 <1609868593.20030327131507@earthlink.net>

 <9121295875.20030327162534@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: 

Thanks for the help, we are up and running.

At 4:25 PM -0800 3/27/03, ghhalley wrote:
>Howdy Tom,
>
>If the error message matches the syntax of your alias files, then you
>need to change wrapper to mailman.  The name changed in 2.1.1
>
>For example, these are my aliases for a list on my machine.
>
>hlt-news:              "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post hlt-news"
>hlt-news-admin:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin hlt-news"
>hlt-news-bounces:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces hlt-news"
>hlt-news-confirm:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm hlt-news"
>hlt-news-join:         "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join hlt-news"
>hlt-news-leave:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave hlt-news"
>hlt-news-owner:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner hlt-news"
>hlt-news-request:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request hlt-news"
>hlt-news-subscribe:    "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe hlt-news"
>hlt-news-unsubscribe:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe hlt-news"
>
>Peace,
>G
>
>
>--- 3:38:02 PM, you wrote:
>
>>  Thanks for the help, I got that fixed now I am getting a different
>>  error that is bouncing the email and it is not getting put into
>>  qfiles.
>
>>  This is the error I see in my maillog now.
>>  Mar 27 17:38:17 agmail postfix/local[23204]: E1237103824:
>>  to=, relay=local, delay=2, status=bounced
>>  (Command died with status 1: "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post help")
>
>
>>  At 1:15 PM -0800 3/27/03, ghhalley wrote:
>>>Howdy Tom,
>>>
>>>mailmanctl needs to be running to push the qfiles through the system.
>>>
>>>>From the Mailman directory type "bin/mailmanctl start"
>>>
>>>and check it by "ps -e"  You will probably see the mailmanctl and you
>>>will definitely see ~6 python daemons.
>>>
>>>Peace,
>>>George Halley
>>>
>>>
>>>--- 1:06:17 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>   I am helping a friend set up Mailman 2.1.1 on a new RedHat 8.0
>>>>   server, with Postfix as the MTA.
>>>
>>>>   I have only one problem the email goes into the server and goes into
>>>>   the qfiles/in folder but it does not get passed on anywhere. It just
>>>>   sits there. It is accepting email from Postfix, why would it not be
>>>>   passing back out again.
>>>
>>>   > thanks,

-- 
--Tom
/---------------------------------------------------------
| Tom Hillson              Computer Services Manager
|(515) 294-1543            College of Agriculture
|                          Iowa State University
---------------------------------------------------------
|"The only thing I have too much of is too little time"

From hillson at iastate.edu  Fri Mar 28 15:01:48 2003
From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:01:48 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Start mailman on bootup?
In-Reply-To: <20030327175518.69bfac91.richard@freespeech.org>
References: <20030327175518.69bfac91.richard@freespeech.org>
Message-ID: 

Richard,

It is simple just read the INSTALL file in with the install files.

This is the excerpt from it.

       If you want to start Mailman every time you reboot your system,
       and your OS supports the chkconfig command (e.g. RedHat and
       Mandrake Linuxes) you can simply do the following (as root, from
       the Mailman install directory):

           % cp scripts/mailman /etc/init.d/mailman
           % chkconfig --add mailman

       (Note that /etc/init.d may be /etc/rc.d/init.d on some systems.)

       On Debian, you probably want to use

           % update-rc.d mailman defaults

       instead of chkconfig.

       For Unixes that don't support chkconfig, simply copy
       scripts/mailman as above:

           % cp scripts/mailman /etc/init.d/mailman

It is in Section for of the INSTALL file.

Cheers,

At 5:55 PM -0700 3/27/03, Richard wrote:
>Ok, this seems like a really simple one :) How do I get mailman to
>start at boot time?
>
>/home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start
>
>in rc.local ? Don't see it as a service anywhere and the documentation
>doesn't seem to address this issue.
>
>
>Cheers
>Richard
>

-- 
--Tom
/---------------------------------------------------------
| Tom Hillson              Computer Services Manager
|(515) 294-1543            College of Agriculture
|                          Iowa State University
---------------------------------------------------------
|"The only thing I have too much of is too little time"

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Fri Mar 28 15:31:20 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:31:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
Message-ID: 

I got the /var/mailman dir and from command line type bin/mailmanctl start
and it tells me not such file or directory.. 

I've also did a search for that file and cannot find it. 

When I do a ps -e I do not see it running. 

Any help? 

-----Original Message-----in
From: ghhalley [mailto:ghhalley at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:29 PM
To: Sullivan, John
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..

Howdy John

Is mailmanctl operating?

Do you have files in the qfiles?

Peace,
G

--- 2:04:45 PM, you wrote:

> OK A few problems here. 

> I have Red Hat 8.0 - Send mail working - MailMan 2.0 somewhat working.. 

> I have configured a list and have signed a few accounts up as tests. 

> However, when I login in as Administrator and go to the page where I can
do
> the following.

> To post a message to all the list members, send email to
> minutes at lists.dummy.com  .

> I send a message to the list but nothing happens it seems that none of the
5
> test accounts that I have setup receive an email. Nor do I get a bounce
back
> telling me that anything failed. 

> My Server name is lists.dummy.com 

> I have archiving enabled for private use but when I got the Archive page I
> see this: 

> Archive File Not Found

> No file /minutes/ (/var/mailman/archives/private/minutes/)

> Does anyone have any idea what I am doing wrong.. I just want to send out
a
> newsletter and I am getting to the point of wits end... 

> Thanks.. 

> John

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From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Fri Mar 28 15:46:55 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:46:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <3E84605F.8090701@mitre.org>

John,

As I recall, you did an RPM install when you installed Red Hat.

Do you have /etc/init.d/mailman?  That will work to start Mailman.

Sullivan, John wrote:
> I got the /var/mailman dir and from command line type bin/mailmanctl start
> and it tells me not such file or directory.. 
> 
> I've also did a search for that file and cannot find it. 
> 
> When I do a ps -e I do not see it running. 
> 
> Any help? 

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Fri Mar 28 15:43:13 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:43:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
Message-ID: 

No it's not in there either.. 

Any ideas?

-----Original Message-----
From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org] 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:47 AM
To: Sullivan, John
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..

John,

As I recall, you did an RPM install when you installed Red Hat.

Do you have /etc/init.d/mailman?  That will work to start Mailman.

Sullivan, John wrote:
> I got the /var/mailman dir and from command line type bin/mailmanctl start
> and it tells me not such file or directory.. 
> 
> I've also did a search for that file and cannot find it. 
> 
> When I do a ps -e I do not see it running. 
> 
> Any help? 

-- 

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From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Fri Mar 28 16:03:20 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:03:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <3E846438.2020802@mitre.org>

John,

Well, what about {mailmandir}/scripts/mailman?  If you read the comments 
it tells you how to install it in the right place and get Red Hat to 
start it at boot time.

Sullivan, John wrote:
> No it's not in there either.. 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org] 
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:47 AM
> To: Sullivan, John
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
> 
> John,
> 
> As I recall, you did an RPM install when you installed Red Hat.
> 
> Do you have /etc/init.d/mailman?  That will work to start Mailman.
> 
> Sullivan, John wrote:
> 
>>I got the /var/mailman dir and from command line type bin/mailmanctl start
>>and it tells me not such file or directory.. 
>>
>>I've also did a search for that file and cannot find it. 
>>
>>When I do a ps -e I do not see it running. 
>>
>>Any help? 
> 
> 
> 

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voice:      703-883-7116
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From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Fri Mar 28 16:04:09 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:04:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
Message-ID: 

I just did a search from root for mailmancnl and it came back with nothing.
I would guess if the file is not there it wouldn't start on bootup
regardless?

I just downloaded and searched a new TAR for the file and mailmancnl is not
in there either. 

Your help is appreciated. 

-----Original Message-----
From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org] 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:03 AM
To: Sullivan, John
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..

John,

Well, what about {mailmandir}/scripts/mailman?  If you read the comments 
it tells you how to install it in the right place and get Red Hat to 
start it at boot time.

Sullivan, John wrote:
> No it's not in there either.. 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org] 
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:47 AM
> To: Sullivan, John
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
> 
> John,
> 
> As I recall, you did an RPM install when you installed Red Hat.
> 
> Do you have /etc/init.d/mailman?  That will work to start Mailman.
> 
> Sullivan, John wrote:
> 
>>I got the /var/mailman dir and from command line type bin/mailmanctl start
>>and it tells me not such file or directory.. 
>>
>>I've also did a search for that file and cannot find it. 
>>
>>When I do a ps -e I do not see it running. 
>>
>>Any help? 
> 
> 
> 

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voice:      703-883-7116
fax:        703-883-3383
DISA cube:  703-882-0593

From ler at lerctr.org  Fri Mar 28 16:17:17 2003
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:17:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <23770000.1048864637@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>

--On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:04:09 -0500 "Sullivan, John" 
 wrote:

> I just did a search from root for mailmancnl and it came back with
> nothing. I would guess if the file is not there it wouldn't start on
> bootup regardless?
mailmanctl  is what you are looking for, and it's in $MAILMANHOME/bin

>
> I just downloaded and searched a new TAR for the file and mailmancnl is
> not in there either.
>
>
> Your help is appreciated.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:03 AM
> To: Sullivan, John
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>
> John,
>
> Well, what about {mailmandir}/scripts/mailman?  If you read the comments
> it tells you how to install it in the right place and get Red Hat to
> start it at boot time.
>
> Sullivan, John wrote:
>> No it's not in there either..
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:47 AM
>> To: Sullivan, John
>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>
>> John,
>>
>> As I recall, you did an RPM install when you installed Red Hat.
>>
>> Do you have /etc/init.d/mailman?  That will work to start Mailman.
>>
>> Sullivan, John wrote:
>>
>>> I got the /var/mailman dir and from command line type bin/mailmanctl
>>> start and it tells me not such file or directory..
>>>
>>> I've also did a search for that file and cannot find it.
>>>
>>> When I do a ps -e I do not see it running.
>>>
>>> Any help?
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own
> email:      jdecarlo at mitre.org
> voice:      703-883-7116
> fax:        703-883-3383
> DISA cube:  703-882-0593
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: ler at lerctr.org
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Fri Mar 28 16:20:22 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:20:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
Message-ID: 

Typing error in the last email- I meant mailmanctl - Forgive me.. 

Below is the contents of my bin dir: 

Also my scripts dir does not have a script called mailman - 

[root at localhost Mailman]# mailmanctl start
bash: mailmanctl: command not found
[root at localhost Mailman]# cd ..
[root at localhost mailman]# ls
archives  bin  cgi-bin  cron  data  filters  lists  locks  mail  Mailman
scripts  spam  templates
[root at localhost mailman]# cd bin
[root at localhost bin]# ls -al
total 152
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Mar 25 11:35 .
drwxrwsr-x   15 root     mailman      4096 Mar 25 11:35 ..
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6620 Aug 15  2002 add_members
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3838 Aug 15  2002 arch
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2462 Aug 15  2002 check_db
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8964 Aug 15  2002 check_perms
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      7123 Aug 15  2002 clone_member
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8090 Aug 15  2002 config_list
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      4474 Aug 15  2002 digest_arch
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      1282 Aug 15  2002 dumpdb
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      4915 Aug 15  2002 find_member
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2957 Aug 15  2002 list_lists
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3519 Aug 15  2002 list_members
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2386 Aug 15  2002 mmsitepass
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2440 Aug 15  2002 move_list
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6983 Aug 15  2002 newlist
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      1530 Aug 15  2002 paths.py
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman       315 Aug 15  2002 paths.pyc
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3051 Aug 15  2002 remove_members
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2952 Aug 15  2002 rmlist
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8234 Aug 15  2002 sync_members
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     12809 Aug 15  2002 update
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman       925 Aug 15  2002 version
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6245 Aug 15  2002 withlist
[root at localhost bin]# find . -name mailmanctl
[root at localhost bin]#

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org] 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:17 AM
To: Sullivan, John; mailman-users at python.org
Cc: 'John DeCarlo'
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..

--On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:04:09 -0500 "Sullivan, John" 
 wrote:

> I just did a search from root for mailmancnl and it came back with
> nothing. I would guess if the file is not there it wouldn't start on
> bootup regardless?
mailmanctl  is what you are looking for, and it's in $MAILMANHOME/bin

>
> I just downloaded and searched a new TAR for the file and mailmancnl is
> not in there either.
>
>
> Your help is appreciated.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:03 AM
> To: Sullivan, John
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>
> John,
>
> Well, what about {mailmandir}/scripts/mailman?  If you read the comments
> it tells you how to install it in the right place and get Red Hat to
> start it at boot time.
>
> Sullivan, John wrote:
>> No it's not in there either..
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:47 AM
>> To: Sullivan, John
>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>
>> John,
>>
>> As I recall, you did an RPM install when you installed Red Hat.
>>
>> Do you have /etc/init.d/mailman?  That will work to start Mailman.
>>
>> Sullivan, John wrote:
>>
>>> I got the /var/mailman dir and from command line type bin/mailmanctl
>>> start and it tells me not such file or directory..
>>>
>>> I've also did a search for that file and cannot find it.
>>>
>>> When I do a ps -e I do not see it running.
>>>
>>> Any help?
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own
> email:      jdecarlo at mitre.org
> voice:      703-883-7116
> fax:        703-883-3383
> DISA cube:  703-882-0593
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: ler at lerctr.org
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749

From ler at lerctr.org  Fri Mar 28 16:30:54 2003
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:30:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <35830000.1048865454@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>

Is this 2.0 vs. 2.1?

mailmanctl is NEW in 2.1.

LER

--On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:20:22 -0500 "Sullivan, John" 
 wrote:

> Typing error in the last email- I meant mailmanctl - Forgive me..
>
> Below is the contents of my bin dir:
>
> Also my scripts dir does not have a script called mailman -
>
> [root at localhost Mailman]# mailmanctl start
> bash: mailmanctl: command not found
> [root at localhost Mailman]# cd ..
> [root at localhost mailman]# ls
> archives  bin  cgi-bin  cron  data  filters  lists  locks  mail  Mailman
> scripts  spam  templates
> [root at localhost mailman]# cd bin
> [root at localhost bin]# ls -al
> total 152
> drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Mar 25 11:35 .
> drwxrwsr-x   15 root     mailman      4096 Mar 25 11:35 ..
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6620 Aug 15  2002 add_members
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3838 Aug 15  2002 arch
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2462 Aug 15  2002 check_db
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8964 Aug 15  2002 check_perms
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      7123 Aug 15  2002 clone_member
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8090 Aug 15  2002 config_list
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      4474 Aug 15  2002 digest_arch
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      1282 Aug 15  2002 dumpdb
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      4915 Aug 15  2002 find_member
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2957 Aug 15  2002 list_lists
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3519 Aug 15  2002 list_members
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2386 Aug 15  2002 mmsitepass
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2440 Aug 15  2002 move_list
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6983 Aug 15  2002 newlist
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      1530 Aug 15  2002 paths.py
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman       315 Aug 15  2002 paths.pyc
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3051 Aug 15  2002 remove_members
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2952 Aug 15  2002 rmlist
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8234 Aug 15  2002 sync_members
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     12809 Aug 15  2002 update
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman       925 Aug 15  2002 version
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6245 Aug 15  2002 withlist
> [root at localhost bin]# find . -name mailmanctl
> [root at localhost bin]#
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: Sullivan, John; mailman-users at python.org
> Cc: 'John DeCarlo'
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>
>
>
> --On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:04:09 -0500 "Sullivan, John"
>  wrote:
>
>> I just did a search from root for mailmancnl and it came back with
>> nothing. I would guess if the file is not there it wouldn't start on
>> bootup regardless?
> mailmanctl  is what you are looking for, and it's in $MAILMANHOME/bin
>
>
>>
>> I just downloaded and searched a new TAR for the file and mailmancnl is
>> not in there either.
>>
>>
>> Your help is appreciated.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:03 AM
>> To: Sullivan, John
>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Well, what about {mailmandir}/scripts/mailman?  If you read the comments
>> it tells you how to install it in the right place and get Red Hat to
>> start it at boot time.
>>
>> Sullivan, John wrote:
>>> No it's not in there either..
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:47 AM
>>> To: Sullivan, John
>>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> As I recall, you did an RPM install when you installed Red Hat.
>>>
>>> Do you have /etc/init.d/mailman?  That will work to start Mailman.
>>>
>>> Sullivan, John wrote:
>>>
>>>> I got the /var/mailman dir and from command line type bin/mailmanctl
>>>> start and it tells me not such file or directory..
>>>>
>>>> I've also did a search for that file and cannot find it.
>>>>
>>>> When I do a ps -e I do not see it running.
>>>>
>>>> Any help?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own
>> email:      jdecarlo at mitre.org
>> voice:      703-883-7116
>> fax:        703-883-3383
>> DISA cube:  703-882-0593
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> Searchable Archives:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>> This message was sent to: ler at lerctr.org
>> Unsubscribe or change your options at
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ler%40lerctr.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
> Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
> US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
>

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US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Fri Mar 28 16:24:49 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:24:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
Message-ID: 

Aah that might explain it

2.0 I am running.

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org] 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Sullivan, John; mailman-users at python.org
Cc: 'John DeCarlo'
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..

Is this 2.0 vs. 2.1?

mailmanctl is NEW in 2.1.

LER

--On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:20:22 -0500 "Sullivan, John" 
 wrote:

> Typing error in the last email- I meant mailmanctl - Forgive me..
>
> Below is the contents of my bin dir:
>
> Also my scripts dir does not have a script called mailman -
>
> [root at localhost Mailman]# mailmanctl start
> bash: mailmanctl: command not found
> [root at localhost Mailman]# cd ..
> [root at localhost mailman]# ls
> archives  bin  cgi-bin  cron  data  filters  lists  locks  mail  Mailman
> scripts  spam  templates
> [root at localhost mailman]# cd bin
> [root at localhost bin]# ls -al
> total 152
> drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Mar 25 11:35 .
> drwxrwsr-x   15 root     mailman      4096 Mar 25 11:35 ..
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6620 Aug 15  2002 add_members
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3838 Aug 15  2002 arch
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2462 Aug 15  2002 check_db
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8964 Aug 15  2002 check_perms
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      7123 Aug 15  2002 clone_member
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8090 Aug 15  2002 config_list
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      4474 Aug 15  2002 digest_arch
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      1282 Aug 15  2002 dumpdb
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      4915 Aug 15  2002 find_member
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2957 Aug 15  2002 list_lists
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3519 Aug 15  2002 list_members
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2386 Aug 15  2002 mmsitepass
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2440 Aug 15  2002 move_list
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6983 Aug 15  2002 newlist
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      1530 Aug 15  2002 paths.py
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman       315 Aug 15  2002 paths.pyc
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3051 Aug 15  2002 remove_members
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2952 Aug 15  2002 rmlist
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8234 Aug 15  2002 sync_members
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     12809 Aug 15  2002 update
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman       925 Aug 15  2002 version
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6245 Aug 15  2002 withlist
> [root at localhost bin]# find . -name mailmanctl
> [root at localhost bin]#
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: Sullivan, John; mailman-users at python.org
> Cc: 'John DeCarlo'
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>
>
>
> --On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:04:09 -0500 "Sullivan, John"
>  wrote:
>
>> I just did a search from root for mailmancnl and it came back with
>> nothing. I would guess if the file is not there it wouldn't start on
>> bootup regardless?
> mailmanctl  is what you are looking for, and it's in $MAILMANHOME/bin
>
>
>>
>> I just downloaded and searched a new TAR for the file and mailmancnl is
>> not in there either.
>>
>>
>> Your help is appreciated.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:03 AM
>> To: Sullivan, John
>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Well, what about {mailmandir}/scripts/mailman?  If you read the comments
>> it tells you how to install it in the right place and get Red Hat to
>> start it at boot time.
>>
>> Sullivan, John wrote:
>>> No it's not in there either..
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:47 AM
>>> To: Sullivan, John
>>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> As I recall, you did an RPM install when you installed Red Hat.
>>>
>>> Do you have /etc/init.d/mailman?  That will work to start Mailman.
>>>
>>> Sullivan, John wrote:
>>>
>>>> I got the /var/mailman dir and from command line type bin/mailmanctl
>>>> start and it tells me not such file or directory..
>>>>
>>>> I've also did a search for that file and cannot find it.
>>>>
>>>> When I do a ps -e I do not see it running.
>>>>
>>>> Any help?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own
>> email:      jdecarlo at mitre.org
>> voice:      703-883-7116
>> fax:        703-883-3383
>> DISA cube:  703-882-0593
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> Searchable Archives:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>> This message was sent to: ler at lerctr.org
>> Unsubscribe or change your options at
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ler%40lerctr.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
> Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
> US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
>

-- 
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US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749

From ler at lerctr.org  Fri Mar 28 16:36:48 2003
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:36:48 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <38870000.1048865808@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>

--On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:24:49 -0500 "Sullivan, John" 
 wrote:

> Aah that might explain it
>
> 2.0 I am running.
Bingo.  You might want to migrate, it's an easy migration.

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Sullivan, John; mailman-users at python.org
> Cc: 'John DeCarlo'
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>
> Is this 2.0 vs. 2.1?
>
> mailmanctl is NEW in 2.1.
>
> LER
>
>
> --On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:20:22 -0500 "Sullivan, John"
>  wrote:
>
>> Typing error in the last email- I meant mailmanctl - Forgive me..
>>
>> Below is the contents of my bin dir:
>>
>> Also my scripts dir does not have a script called mailman -
>>
>> [root at localhost Mailman]# mailmanctl start
>> bash: mailmanctl: command not found
>> [root at localhost Mailman]# cd ..
>> [root at localhost mailman]# ls
>> archives  bin  cgi-bin  cron  data  filters  lists  locks  mail  Mailman
>> scripts  spam  templates
>> [root at localhost mailman]# cd bin
>> [root at localhost bin]# ls -al
>> total 152
>> drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Mar 25 11:35 .
>> drwxrwsr-x   15 root     mailman      4096 Mar 25 11:35 ..
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6620 Aug 15  2002 add_members
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3838 Aug 15  2002 arch
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2462 Aug 15  2002 check_db
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8964 Aug 15  2002 check_perms
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      7123 Aug 15  2002 clone_member
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8090 Aug 15  2002 config_list
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      4474 Aug 15  2002 digest_arch
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      1282 Aug 15  2002 dumpdb
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      4915 Aug 15  2002 find_member
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2957 Aug 15  2002 list_lists
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3519 Aug 15  2002 list_members
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2386 Aug 15  2002 mmsitepass
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2440 Aug 15  2002 move_list
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6983 Aug 15  2002 newlist
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      1530 Aug 15  2002 paths.py
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman       315 Aug 15  2002 paths.pyc
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3051 Aug 15  2002 remove_members
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2952 Aug 15  2002 rmlist
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8234 Aug 15  2002 sync_members
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     12809 Aug 15  2002 update
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman       925 Aug 15  2002 version
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6245 Aug 15  2002 withlist
>> [root at localhost bin]# find . -name mailmanctl
>> [root at localhost bin]#
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org]
>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:17 AM
>> To: Sullivan, John; mailman-users at python.org
>> Cc: 'John DeCarlo'
>> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>
>>
>>
>> --On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:04:09 -0500 "Sullivan, John"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> I just did a search from root for mailmancnl and it came back with
>>> nothing. I would guess if the file is not there it wouldn't start on
>>> bootup regardless?
>> mailmanctl  is what you are looking for, and it's in $MAILMANHOME/bin
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I just downloaded and searched a new TAR for the file and mailmancnl is
>>> not in there either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Your help is appreciated.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:03 AM
>>> To: Sullivan, John
>>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Well, what about {mailmandir}/scripts/mailman?  If you read the comments
>>> it tells you how to install it in the right place and get Red Hat to
>>> start it at boot time.
>>>
>>> Sullivan, John wrote:
>>>> No it's not in there either..
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:47 AM
>>>> To: Sullivan, John
>>>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> As I recall, you did an RPM install when you installed Red Hat.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have /etc/init.d/mailman?  That will work to start Mailman.
>>>>
>>>> Sullivan, John wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I got the /var/mailman dir and from command line type bin/mailmanctl
>>>>> start and it tells me not such file or directory..
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also did a search for that file and cannot find it.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I do a ps -e I do not see it running.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any help?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own
>>> email:      jdecarlo at mitre.org
>>> voice:      703-883-7116
>>> fax:        703-883-3383
>>> DISA cube:  703-882-0593
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>> Searchable Archives:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>>
>>> This message was sent to: ler at lerctr.org
>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ler%40lerctr.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
>> Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
>> US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
> Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
> US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
>

-- 
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Fri Mar 28 16:39:58 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:39:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
Message-ID: 

Well most things seem to be working. The only thing I cant get to work at
this point is emails. 

I can send emails from the machine. 
New subscribers can sign up and they get an email confirmation
But when they reply to the confirmation.
The email seems to get lost - 

Also - The subscribers that I have signed up manually through the Web Based
form do not got emails if I send an email to the list. 

Do you think 2.1 will solve any of these problems for me or is there
something I should look into. 

I have this box behind a firewall - I have opened the smtp port and www port
for this box on the firewall as well. 

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org] 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:37 AM
To: Sullivan, John; mailman-users at python.org
Cc: 'John DeCarlo'
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..

--On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:24:49 -0500 "Sullivan, John" 
 wrote:

> Aah that might explain it
>
> 2.0 I am running.
Bingo.  You might want to migrate, it's an easy migration.

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Sullivan, John; mailman-users at python.org
> Cc: 'John DeCarlo'
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>
> Is this 2.0 vs. 2.1?
>
> mailmanctl is NEW in 2.1.
>
> LER
>
>
> --On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:20:22 -0500 "Sullivan, John"
>  wrote:
>
>> Typing error in the last email- I meant mailmanctl - Forgive me..
>>
>> Below is the contents of my bin dir:
>>
>> Also my scripts dir does not have a script called mailman -
>>
>> [root at localhost Mailman]# mailmanctl start
>> bash: mailmanctl: command not found
>> [root at localhost Mailman]# cd ..
>> [root at localhost mailman]# ls
>> archives  bin  cgi-bin  cron  data  filters  lists  locks  mail  Mailman
>> scripts  spam  templates
>> [root at localhost mailman]# cd bin
>> [root at localhost bin]# ls -al
>> total 152
>> drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Mar 25 11:35 .
>> drwxrwsr-x   15 root     mailman      4096 Mar 25 11:35 ..
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6620 Aug 15  2002 add_members
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3838 Aug 15  2002 arch
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2462 Aug 15  2002 check_db
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8964 Aug 15  2002 check_perms
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      7123 Aug 15  2002 clone_member
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8090 Aug 15  2002 config_list
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      4474 Aug 15  2002 digest_arch
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      1282 Aug 15  2002 dumpdb
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      4915 Aug 15  2002 find_member
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2957 Aug 15  2002 list_lists
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3519 Aug 15  2002 list_members
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2386 Aug 15  2002 mmsitepass
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2440 Aug 15  2002 move_list
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6983 Aug 15  2002 newlist
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      1530 Aug 15  2002 paths.py
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman       315 Aug 15  2002 paths.pyc
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3051 Aug 15  2002 remove_members
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2952 Aug 15  2002 rmlist
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8234 Aug 15  2002 sync_members
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     12809 Aug 15  2002 update
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman       925 Aug 15  2002 version
>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6245 Aug 15  2002 withlist
>> [root at localhost bin]# find . -name mailmanctl
>> [root at localhost bin]#
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org]
>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:17 AM
>> To: Sullivan, John; mailman-users at python.org
>> Cc: 'John DeCarlo'
>> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>
>>
>>
>> --On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:04:09 -0500 "Sullivan, John"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> I just did a search from root for mailmancnl and it came back with
>>> nothing. I would guess if the file is not there it wouldn't start on
>>> bootup regardless?
>> mailmanctl  is what you are looking for, and it's in $MAILMANHOME/bin
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I just downloaded and searched a new TAR for the file and mailmancnl is
>>> not in there either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Your help is appreciated.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:03 AM
>>> To: Sullivan, John
>>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Well, what about {mailmandir}/scripts/mailman?  If you read the comments
>>> it tells you how to install it in the right place and get Red Hat to
>>> start it at boot time.
>>>
>>> Sullivan, John wrote:
>>>> No it's not in there either..
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:47 AM
>>>> To: Sullivan, John
>>>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> As I recall, you did an RPM install when you installed Red Hat.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have /etc/init.d/mailman?  That will work to start Mailman.
>>>>
>>>> Sullivan, John wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I got the /var/mailman dir and from command line type bin/mailmanctl
>>>>> start and it tells me not such file or directory..
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also did a search for that file and cannot find it.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I do a ps -e I do not see it running.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any help?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own
>>> email:      jdecarlo at mitre.org
>>> voice:      703-883-7116
>>> fax:        703-883-3383
>>> DISA cube:  703-882-0593
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>> Searchable Archives:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>>
>>> This message was sent to: ler at lerctr.org
>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ler%40lerctr.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
>> Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
>> US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
> Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
> US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
>

-- 
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749

From ler at lerctr.org  Fri Mar 28 16:49:25 2003
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:49:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <53540000.1048866565@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>

--On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:39:58 -0500 "Sullivan, John" 
 wrote:

> Well most things seem to be working. The only thing I cant get to work at
> this point is emails.
>
> I can send emails from the machine.
> New subscribers can sign up and they get an email confirmation
> But when they reply to the confirmation.
> The email seems to get lost -
>
> Also - The subscribers that I have signed up manually through the Web
> Based form do not got emails if I send an email to the list.
>
> Do you think 2.1 will solve any of these problems for me or is there
> something I should look into.
>
> I have this box behind a firewall - I have opened the smtp port and www
> port for this box on the firewall as well.
do you have the mailman crontab installed?

>
> Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:37 AM
> To: Sullivan, John; mailman-users at python.org
> Cc: 'John DeCarlo'
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>
>
>
> --On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:24:49 -0500 "Sullivan, John"
>  wrote:
>
>> Aah that might explain it
>>
>> 2.0 I am running.
> Bingo.  You might want to migrate, it's an easy migration.
>
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org]
>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:31 AM
>> To: Sullivan, John; mailman-users at python.org
>> Cc: 'John DeCarlo'
>> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>
>> Is this 2.0 vs. 2.1?
>>
>> mailmanctl is NEW in 2.1.
>>
>> LER
>>
>>
>> --On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:20:22 -0500 "Sullivan, John"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Typing error in the last email- I meant mailmanctl - Forgive me..
>>>
>>> Below is the contents of my bin dir:
>>>
>>> Also my scripts dir does not have a script called mailman -
>>>
>>> [root at localhost Mailman]# mailmanctl start
>>> bash: mailmanctl: command not found
>>> [root at localhost Mailman]# cd ..
>>> [root at localhost mailman]# ls
>>> archives  bin  cgi-bin  cron  data  filters  lists  locks  mail  Mailman
>>> scripts  spam  templates
>>> [root at localhost mailman]# cd bin
>>> [root at localhost bin]# ls -al
>>> total 152
>>> drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Mar 25 11:35 .
>>> drwxrwsr-x   15 root     mailman      4096 Mar 25 11:35 ..
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6620 Aug 15  2002 add_members
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3838 Aug 15  2002 arch
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2462 Aug 15  2002 check_db
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8964 Aug 15  2002 check_perms
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      7123 Aug 15  2002 clone_member
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8090 Aug 15  2002 config_list
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      4474 Aug 15  2002 digest_arch
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      1282 Aug 15  2002 dumpdb
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      4915 Aug 15  2002 find_member
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2957 Aug 15  2002 list_lists
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3519 Aug 15  2002 list_members
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2386 Aug 15  2002 mmsitepass
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2440 Aug 15  2002 move_list
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6983 Aug 15  2002 newlist
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      1530 Aug 15  2002 paths.py
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman       315 Aug 15  2002 paths.pyc
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      3051 Aug 15  2002 remove_members
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      2952 Aug 15  2002 rmlist
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      8234 Aug 15  2002 sync_members
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     12809 Aug 15  2002 update
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman       925 Aug 15  2002 version
>>> -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman      6245 Aug 15  2002 withlist
>>> [root at localhost bin]# find . -name mailmanctl
>>> [root at localhost bin]#
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org]
>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:17 AM
>>> To: Sullivan, John; mailman-users at python.org
>>> Cc: 'John DeCarlo'
>>> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --On Friday, March 28, 2003 10:04:09 -0500 "Sullivan, John"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just did a search from root for mailmancnl and it came back with
>>>> nothing. I would guess if the file is not there it wouldn't start on
>>>> bootup regardless?
>>> mailmanctl  is what you are looking for, and it's in $MAILMANHOME/bin
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just downloaded and searched a new TAR for the file and mailmancnl is
>>>> not in there either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your help is appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:03 AM
>>>> To: Sullivan, John
>>>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> Well, what about {mailmandir}/scripts/mailman?  If you read the
>>>> comments it tells you how to install it in the right place and get Red
>>>> Hat to start it at boot time.
>>>>
>>>> Sullivan, John wrote:
>>>>> No it's not in there either..
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:47 AM
>>>>> To: Sullivan, John
>>>>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email getting lost..
>>>>>
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>> As I recall, you did an RPM install when you installed Red Hat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have /etc/init.d/mailman?  That will work to start Mailman.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sullivan, John wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I got the /var/mailman dir and from command line type bin/mailmanctl
>>>>>> start and it tells me not such file or directory..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've also did a search for that file and cannot find it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I do a ps -e I do not see it running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any help?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own
>>>> email:      jdecarlo at mitre.org
>>>> voice:      703-883-7116
>>>> fax:        703-883-3383
>>>> DISA cube:  703-882-0593
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>>>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>>> Searchable Archives:
>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>>>
>>>> This message was sent to: ler at lerctr.org
>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ler%40lerctr.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
>>> Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
>>> US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
>> Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
>> US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
> Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
> US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
>

-- 
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749

From kleefstr at mcmaster.ca  Fri Mar 28 17:13:29 2003
From: kleefstr at mcmaster.ca (Jessie Kleefstra)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:13:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] documentation pages
Message-ID: <3E8474A9.9806E1E6@mcmaster.ca>

>From the URL below, I tried to access Chris Kolar's User documentation
but I am getting a 'cannot display page error' on both links. Is there a
problem. I have links from our Mailman pages to this documentation.

http://www.list.org/users.html

User Documentation
Chris Kolar has made available a Mailman user guide for end-users
interacting with a Mailman system. 

-- 
*********************************
Jessie Kleefstra                                 
Email:kleefstr at mcmaster.ca
Sr.Consultant,Helpdesk Services       Phone:905-525-9140 ext.24357
Computing & Information Services   Fax:905-528-3773
ABB-132
McMaster University

From ostrowb at tblc.org  Fri Mar 28 17:29:07 2003
From: ostrowb at tblc.org (Ben Ostrowsky)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:29:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I want to upgrade from 1.1 to 2.1.1 -- am I doomed?
Message-ID: <1048868947.3e84785325c7f@webmail.tblc.org>

We've got about 20 lists, some of which have hundreds of subscribers, but it's
time to upgrade to 2.1.1.  (We're planning to install Mailman 2.1.1 on a new
server.)

Am I doomed?  Our usual Linux consultant is stumped.  Suggestions welcomed.

Ben

From ben at cenozoa.com  Fri Mar 28 17:36:21 2003
From: ben at cenozoa.com (ben strawbridge)
Date: 28 Mar 2003 11:36:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web admin help
Message-ID: <1048869381.14650.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello,

I have set up a mailman server on redhat 7.3.
It sends messages, it signs people up, the web interface all works,
pipermail works... but when I go to the administrative interface I try
to log in with either the list admin password or the global admin
password I always get "Authentication Failed" message in red letters on
the web page.

I followed the instructions for the RHL install of Mailman, it was
already installed by my host, and can't find anything that I skipped.  I
look in the log files but don't see the right message.

Can anyone help me with this?  Any suggestions on where to look to find
out what is going on would be a great help.

thanks!

Ben Strawbridge - Senior Interface Engineer
-------------------------------------------------
Cenozoa Corporation
33 Little West 12th St. #106A
New York, NY 10014
http://www.cenozoa.com

From hillson at iastate.edu  Fri Mar 28 17:50:19 2003
From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:50:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I want to upgrade from 1.1 to 2.1.1 -- am I
 doomed?
In-Reply-To: <1048868947.3e84785325c7f@webmail.tblc.org>
References: <1048868947.3e84785325c7f@webmail.tblc.org>
Message-ID: 

Ben,

My suggestion would be do not upgrade from 1.1 to 2.1.1. This is what 
I did on my old system when I moved it up.

1. export all of your lists to text files. listname.txt. copy them to 
a safe place.
2. warn everyone the system is going down for a while while you upgrade.
3. tar the old directory and save it in a save place. delete the old directory.
4. install Mailman 2.1.1 follow instructions in INSTALL file. Check 
the INSTALL.MTA file for special instructions for your MTA.
5. follow all the instruction in the INSTALL file to configure the new setup.
6. make sure the new install is working correctly.
7. recreate your lists with the same names and import all your users 
from the text files.
8. test to make sure everything is working and announce to your users 
that the server is back up.

If our Linux consultant should have you back up and running in less 
than a day. Be sure he reads all the INSTALL and README files before 
he does the new install. I printed mine out, and highlited the main 
steps, it keeps you from making mistakes like I did the first time I 
installed 2.1.1.

At 11:29 AM -0500 3/28/03, Ben Ostrowsky wrote:
>We've got about 20 lists, some of which have hundreds of subscribers, but it's
>time to upgrade to 2.1.1.  (We're planning to install Mailman 2.1.1 on a new
>server.)
>
>Am I doomed?  Our usual Linux consultant is stumped.  Suggestions welcomed.
>
>Ben
>

-- 
--Tom
/---------------------------------------------------------
| Tom Hillson              Computer Services Manager
|(515) 294-1543            College of Agriculture
|                                    Iowa State University
---------------------------------------------------------
|"The only thing I have too much of is too little time"

From irwin at taranto.com  Fri Mar 28 17:51:10 2003
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:51:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web admin help
In-Reply-To: <1048869381.14650.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1048869381.14650.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200303281651.h2SGpAw17380@taranto.com>

On Friday 28 March 2003 08:36 am, you wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have set up a mailman server on redhat 7.3.
> It sends messages, it signs people up, the web interface all works,
> pipermail works... but when I go to the administrative interface I try
> to log in with either the list admin password or the global admin
> password I always get "Authentication Failed" message in red letters on
> the web page.
>
> I followed the instructions for the RHL install of Mailman, it was
> already installed by my host, and can't find anything that I skipped.  I
> look in the log files but don't see the right message.
>
> Can anyone help me with this?  Any suggestions on where to look to find
> out what is going on would be a great help.
>
> thanks!

Are you accepting cookies?   or

If you have root access, you might try resetting the password.  

.../bin/change_pw    for the list
.../bin/mmsitepass   for the site

Irwin

From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com  Fri Mar 28 17:49:39 2003
From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:49:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I want to upgrade from 1.1 to 2.1.1 -- am
  I doomed?
In-Reply-To: <1048868947.3e84785325c7f@webmail.tblc.org>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030328114355.0379f600@mail.lch-assoc.com>

At 11:29 AM 3/28/2003, Ben Ostrowsky wrote:
>We've got about 20 lists, some of which have hundreds of subscribers, but it's
>time to upgrade to 2.1.1.  (We're planning to install Mailman 2.1.1 on a new
>server.)
>
>Am I doomed?  Our usual Linux consultant is stumped.  Suggestions welcomed.

Why would you consider yourself doomed?  Are there particular problems that 
would prevent you from upgrading?  Has your Linux consultant looked at the 
Upgrade instructions shipped with Mailman?

I upgraded all of my servers from 1.1 to 2.1.1, and have never regretted 
it.  I don't have very many lists with just hundreds of subscribers -- 
quite a few with thousands, but few with just hundreds -- but none of them 
had any problems.

The upgrade instructions provided with v2.1.1 are very good, and I think it 
has even been updated since I did my upgrades, with details of everything 
you need to do.

I did backups of each server prior to the upgrade so I could restore if I 
had to.  But, fortunately, I didn't have to use any of them.

>Ben

From ben at cenozoa.com  Fri Mar 28 17:54:29 2003
From: ben at cenozoa.com (ben strawbridge)
Date: 28 Mar 2003 11:54:29 -0500
Subject: [cz_work] Re: [Mailman-Users] web admin help
In-Reply-To: <200303281651.h2SGpAw17380@taranto.com>
References: <1048869381.14650.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <200303281651.h2SGpAw17380@taranto.com>
Message-ID: <1048870468.14650.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I checked my browser settings, flushed all the cookies and restarted it
accepting all cookies, still not working - do you know how the cookie is
being labeled, maybe i can look in the cookie folder to see if that is
the problem.

also in mailman/bin there is no change_pw script it skips from arch to
check_db.  the mmsitepasswd script is there and i did use that to change
the main admin password.

thanks.

On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 11:51, irwin wrote:
> On Friday 28 March 2003 08:36 am, you wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have set up a mailman server on redhat 7.3.
> > It sends messages, it signs people up, the web interface all works,
> > pipermail works... but when I go to the administrative interface I try
> > to log in with either the list admin password or the global admin
> > password I always get "Authentication Failed" message in red letters on
> > the web page.
> >
> > I followed the instructions for the RHL install of Mailman, it was
> > already installed by my host, and can't find anything that I skipped.  I
> > look in the log files but don't see the right message.
> >
> > Can anyone help me with this?  Any suggestions on where to look to find
> > out what is going on would be a great help.
> >
> > thanks!
> 
> Are you accepting cookies?   or
> 
> If you have root access, you might try resetting the password.  
> 
> .../bin/change_pw    for the list
> .../bin/mmsitepass   for the site
> 
> Irwin
Ben Strawbridge - Senior Interface Engineer
-------------------------------------------------
Cenozoa Corporation
33 Little West 12th St. #106A
New York, NY 10014
http://www.cenozoa.com

From ben at cenozoa.com  Fri Mar 28 18:00:30 2003
From: ben at cenozoa.com (ben strawbridge)
Date: 28 Mar 2003 12:00:30 -0500
Subject: [cz_work] Re: [Mailman-Users] web admin help
In-Reply-To: <200303281651.h2SGpAw17380@taranto.com>
References: <1048869381.14650.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <200303281651.h2SGpAw17380@taranto.com>
Message-ID: <1048870830.14647.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I just did a test, and the result was a bit curious, I set my browser to
ask to set cookies after resetting all cookie settings.  I went to
cnn.com and the cookie box popped up asking me if i wanted it.  When I
went to my site, no cookie alert box came and the authentication
failed.  Now I am really confused on why mailman is not trying to set
the cookie for the admin login.

Thanks in advance!
Ben.

On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 11:51, irwin wrote:
> On Friday 28 March 2003 08:36 am, you wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have set up a mailman server on redhat 7.3.
> > It sends messages, it signs people up, the web interface all works,
> > pipermail works... but when I go to the administrative interface I try
> > to log in with either the list admin password or the global admin
> > password I always get "Authentication Failed" message in red letters on
> > the web page.
> >
> > I followed the instructions for the RHL install of Mailman, it was
> > already installed by my host, and can't find anything that I skipped.  I
> > look in the log files but don't see the right message.
> >
> > Can anyone help me with this?  Any suggestions on where to look to find
> > out what is going on would be a great help.
> >
> > thanks!
> 
> Are you accepting cookies?   or
> 
> If you have root access, you might try resetting the password.  
> 
> .../bin/change_pw    for the list
> .../bin/mmsitepass   for the site
> 
> Irwin
Ben Strawbridge - Senior Interface Engineer
-------------------------------------------------
Cenozoa Corporation
33 Little West 12th St. #106A
New York, NY 10014
http://www.cenozoa.com

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Fri Mar 28 17:56:24 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:56:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
Message-ID: 

Hi all - I am having some problems sending out emails to my lists. 

I have Red Hat 8.0 

Sendmail 

MailMan 2.0.1 

I have a test lists set up with test users. 

When a user subscribes to the list they get a confirmation from the mailman
server but when they reply there email seems to just get lost. 

When I send out an email to the list nothing gets delivered. 

My server name is lists.mlsnet.com and my list is called 90minutes and I
should be able to send mail to 90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com
  to send an email to all of the
subscribers. 

Here is some log errors from maillog file: 

Mar 28 11:48:21 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484: from=root, 
size=388, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, relay=localhost [[UNIX: 
localhost]]

Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10486]: h2SGmLjh010486: 
from=<

root at localhost.localdomain>, size=577, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, 
relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]

Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484: 
to=90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:02, 
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=30387, relay=localhost.mlsnet.com. 
[127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h2SGmLjh010486 Message accepted for 
delivery)

Mar 28 11:49:22 localhost sendmail[10488]: h2SGmLjh010486: 
to=<90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com>, ctladdr=<

root at localhost.localdomain> (0/0), 
delay=00:01:01, xdelay=00:01:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30576, 
relay=lists.mlsnet.com. [12.105.18.209], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:
Connection 
timed out with lists.mlsnet.com.

Do I need to have MX Records setup on my external DNS for this server?

Your Help is Appreciated... 

From bhilburn at frontier.net  Fri Mar 28 18:15:33 2003
From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:15:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1048871733.3e8483358490e@webmail.frontier.net>

You only need an MX record for your domain (mlsnet.com) but you will need an A 
record for lists.mlsnet.com that resolves to your mail server IP, your mail 
server will also need to be told it handles mail for lists.mlsnet.com

Hope this helps!

Quoting "Sullivan, John" :

> Hi all - I am having some problems sending out emails to my lists. 
> 
>  
> 
> I have Red Hat 8.0 
> 
> Sendmail 
> 
> MailMan 2.0.1 
> 
>  
> 
> I have a test lists set up with test users. 
> 
>  
> 
> When a user subscribes to the list they get a confirmation from the mailman
> server but when they reply there email seems to just get lost. 
> 
> When I send out an email to the list nothing gets delivered. 
> 
> My server name is lists.mlsnet.com and my list is called 90minutes and I
> should be able to send mail to 90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com
>   to send an email to all of the
> subscribers. 
> 
>  
> 
> Here is some log errors from maillog file: 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Mar 28 11:48:21 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484: from=root, 
> size=388, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, relay=localhost [[UNIX: 
> localhost]]
>  
>  
> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10486]: h2SGmLjh010486: 
> from=<
>  f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomain&msg=MS
> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
> root at localhost.localdomain>, size=577, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,
> 
> relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
>  
>  
> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484: 
> to=90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:02, 
> xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=30387, relay=localhost.mlsnet.com. 
> [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h2SGmLjh010486 Message accepted for 
> delivery)
>  
>  
> Mar 28 11:49:22 localhost sendmail[10488]: h2SGmLjh010486: 
> to=<90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com>, ctladdr=<
>  f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomain&msg=MS
> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
> root at localhost.localdomain> (0/0), 
> delay=00:01:01, xdelay=00:01:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30576, 
> relay=lists.mlsnet.com. [12.105.18.209], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:
> Connection 
> timed out with lists.mlsnet.com.
> 
>  
> 
> Do I need to have MX Records setup on my external DNS for this server?
> 
>  
> 
> Your Help is Appreciated... 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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From dallas at dreamhost.com  Fri Mar 28 18:21:06 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:21:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

 From the last error there, it looks like your mail server is trying to  
deliver mail for lists.mlsnet.com to an smtp server at 12.105.18.209.   
I don't know what server that is, but it needs to be running an some  
sort of smtp server to accept email.  If that is not where the email  
should be going, then an MX record may be appropriate to point it to  
the appropriate location.

	Dallas

On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 08:56 am, Sullivan, John wrote:

> Hi all - I am having some problems sending out emails to my lists.
>
>
>
> I have Red Hat 8.0
>
> Sendmail
>
> MailMan 2.0.1
>
>
>
> I have a test lists set up with test users.
>
>
>
> When a user subscribes to the list they get a confirmation from the  
> mailman
> server but when they reply there email seems to just get lost.
>
> When I send out an email to the list nothing gets delivered.
>
> My server name is lists.mlsnet.com and my list is called 90minutes and  
> I
> should be able to send mail to 90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com
>   to send an email to all of the
> subscribers.
>
>
>
> Here is some log errors from maillog file:
>
>
>
>
>
> Mar 28 11:48:21 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484: from=root,
> size=388, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, relay=localhost  
> [[UNIX:
> localhost]]
>
>
> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10486]: h2SGmLjh010486:
> from=<
>  compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
> f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomain&m 
> sg=MS
> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
> root at localhost.localdomain>, size=577, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, proto=ESMTP,  
> daemon=MTA,
> relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
>
>
> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484:
> to=90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:02,
> xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=30387, relay=localhost.mlsnet.com.
> [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h2SGmLjh010486 Message accepted for
> delivery)
>
>
> Mar 28 11:49:22 localhost sendmail[10488]: h2SGmLjh010486:
> to=<90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com>, ctladdr=<
>  compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
> f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomain&m 
> sg=MS
> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
> root at localhost.localdomain> (0/0),
> delay=00:01:01, xdelay=00:01:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30576,
> relay=lists.mlsnet.com. [12.105.18.209], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:
> Connection
> timed out with lists.mlsnet.com.
>
>
>
> Do I need to have MX Records setup on my external DNS for this server?
>
>
>
> Your Help is Appreciated...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives:  
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: dallas at dreamhost.com
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From ben at cenozoa.com  Fri Mar 28 18:31:16 2003
From: ben at cenozoa.com (ben strawbridge)
Date: 28 Mar 2003 12:31:16 -0500
Subject: [personal] Re: [cz_work] Re: [Mailman-Users] web admin help
In-Reply-To: <200303281717.h2SHH9b17724@taranto.com>
References: <1048869381.14650.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <200303281651.h2SGpAw17380@taranto.com>
	 <1048870468.14650.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <200303281717.h2SHH9b17724@taranto.com>
Message-ID: <1048872676.14647.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I am using opera 6.02, mozilla 1.3 or phoenix 0.5 on Red Hat Linux 7.3.

I tried to run the admin cgi-script directly from the command line, and
I get a different error - 

Content-type: text/html

Mailman CGI error!!!

Mailman CGI error!!!
The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set
by the Web server.The most likely cause is that Mailman was
configured and installed incorrectly.  Please read the INSTALL
instructions again, paying close attention to the
--with-cgi-gid configure option.  This entry is being stored in
your syslog:
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 501.  (Reconfigure to
take 501?)

So now I am thinking I need to reconfigure mailman.  This mailman was
not installed by me on this system, however I am not adverse to
reconfiguring it to make the admin pages work.

I think it was installed from rpm by the default redhat mailman install
for redhat 7.3, can anyone help me out with reconfiguring this script to
accept the correct gid?

thanks.
 Ben.

On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 12:17, irwin wrote:
> On Friday 28 March 2003 08:54 am, you wrote:
> > I checked my browser settings, flushed all the cookies and restarted it
> > accepting all cookies, still not working - do you know how the cookie is
> > being labeled, maybe i can look in the cookie folder to see if that is
> > the problem.
> >
> > also in mailman/bin there is no change_pw script it skips from arch to
> > check_db.  the mmsitepasswd script is there and i did use that to change
> > the main admin password.
> >
> > thanks.
> >
> 
> Sorry, I'm stumped.     I just checked, and, change_pw script is in version 
> 2.1.1   and cookies are not set until after you login.
> 
> Which browser are you using?   Maybe try another.
> 
> Irwin
Ben Strawbridge - Senior Interface Engineer
-------------------------------------------------
Cenozoa Corporation
33 Little West 12th St. #106A
New York, NY 10014
http://www.cenozoa.com

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Fri Mar 28 18:25:24 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:25:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
Message-ID: 

In my network I have a corporate mail server set up that handles all the
email for mlsnet.com

I have setup the RedHat box so I can send out email to newsletter
subscribers - I didn't want to put the heavy load on my corporate mail
server. 

The RedHat box has sendmail on it and should be the box that handles emails
for lists.mlsnet.com (incoming should be delivered to this box)
Also the IP for this box is the 12.105.18.209 address referenced below.  

I have an A record setup for lists.mlsnet.com - I do not have an MX record
setup for it though. 

How do I set the box up so it handles all email sent to @lists.mlsnet.com?

Thanks for your help.. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dallas Bethune [mailto:dallas at dreamhost.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:21 PM
To: Sullivan, John
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record

 From the last error there, it looks like your mail server is trying to  
deliver mail for lists.mlsnet.com to an smtp server at 12.105.18.209.   
I don't know what server that is, but it needs to be running an some  
sort of smtp server to accept email.  If that is not where the email  
should be going, then an MX record may be appropriate to point it to  
the appropriate location.

	Dallas

On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 08:56 am, Sullivan, John wrote:

> Hi all - I am having some problems sending out emails to my lists.
>
>
>
> I have Red Hat 8.0
>
> Sendmail
>
> MailMan 2.0.1
>
>
>
> I have a test lists set up with test users.
>
>
>
> When a user subscribes to the list they get a confirmation from the  
> mailman
> server but when they reply there email seems to just get lost.
>
> When I send out an email to the list nothing gets delivered.
>
> My server name is lists.mlsnet.com and my list is called 90minutes and  
> I
> should be able to send mail to 90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com
>   to send an email to all of the
> subscribers.
>
>
>
> Here is some log errors from maillog file:
>
>
>
>
>
> Mar 28 11:48:21 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484: from=root,
> size=388, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, relay=localhost  
> [[UNIX:
> localhost]]
>
>
> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10486]: h2SGmLjh010486:
> from=<
>  compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
> f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomain&m 
> sg=MS
> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
> root at localhost.localdomain>, size=577, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, proto=ESMTP,  
> daemon=MTA,
> relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
>
>
> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484:
> to=90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:02,
> xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=30387, relay=localhost.mlsnet.com.
> [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h2SGmLjh010486 Message accepted for
> delivery)
>
>
> Mar 28 11:49:22 localhost sendmail[10488]: h2SGmLjh010486:
> to=<90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com>, ctladdr=<
>  compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
> f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomain&m 
> sg=MS
> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
> root at localhost.localdomain> (0/0),
> delay=00:01:01, xdelay=00:01:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30576,
> relay=lists.mlsnet.com. [12.105.18.209], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:
> Connection
> timed out with lists.mlsnet.com.
>
>
>
> Do I need to have MX Records setup on my external DNS for this server?
>
>
>
> Your Help is Appreciated...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From dallas at dreamhost.com  Fri Mar 28 19:40:39 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:40:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

In general, an MX record is not necessary if you have an A record.   
That's probably not your problem here.

Are you sure sendmail is running on the list server?  Can you connect  
to port 25 on it?  Is it properly configured to accept mail?

	Dallas

On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 09:25 am, Sullivan, John wrote:

> In my network I have a corporate mail server set up that handles all  
> the
> email for mlsnet.com
>
> I have setup the RedHat box so I can send out email to newsletter
> subscribers - I didn't want to put the heavy load on my corporate mail
> server.
>
> The RedHat box has sendmail on it and should be the box that handles  
> emails
> for lists.mlsnet.com (incoming should be delivered to this box)
> Also the IP for this box is the 12.105.18.209 address referenced below.
>
> I have an A record setup for lists.mlsnet.com - I do not have an MX  
> record
> setup for it though.
>
> How do I set the box up so it handles all email sent to  
> @lists.mlsnet.com?
>
> Thanks for your help..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dallas Bethune [mailto:dallas at dreamhost.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:21 PM
> To: Sullivan, John
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
>
>
>  From the last error there, it looks like your mail server is trying to
> deliver mail for lists.mlsnet.com to an smtp server at 12.105.18.209.
> I don't know what server that is, but it needs to be running an some
> sort of smtp server to accept email.  If that is not where the email
> should be going, then an MX record may be appropriate to point it to
> the appropriate location.
>
> 	Dallas
>
>
> On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 08:56 am, Sullivan, John wrote:
>
>> Hi all - I am having some problems sending out emails to my lists.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have Red Hat 8.0
>>
>> Sendmail
>>
>> MailMan 2.0.1
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a test lists set up with test users.
>>
>>
>>
>> When a user subscribes to the list they get a confirmation from the
>> mailman
>> server but when they reply there email seems to just get lost.
>>
>> When I send out an email to the list nothing gets delivered.
>>
>> My server name is lists.mlsnet.com and my list is called 90minutes and
>> I
>> should be able to send mail to 90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com
>>   to send an email to all of the
>> subscribers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is some log errors from maillog file:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mar 28 11:48:21 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484: from=root,
>> size=388, class=0, nrcpts=1,
>> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, relay=localhost
>> [[UNIX:
>> localhost]]
>>
>>
>> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10486]: h2SGmLjh010486:
>> from=<
>> > compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
>> f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomain& 
>> m
>> sg=MS
>> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
>> root at localhost.localdomain>, size=577, class=0, nrcpts=1,
>> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, proto=ESMTP,
>> daemon=MTA,
>> relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
>>
>>
>> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484:
>> to=90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:02,
>> xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=30387, relay=localhost.mlsnet.com.
>> [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h2SGmLjh010486 Message accepted for
>> delivery)
>>
>>
>> Mar 28 11:49:22 localhost sendmail[10488]: h2SGmLjh010486:
>> to=<90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com>, ctladdr=<
>> > compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
>> f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomain& 
>> m
>> sg=MS
>> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
>> root at localhost.localdomain> (0/0),
>> delay=00:01:01, xdelay=00:01:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30576,
>> relay=lists.mlsnet.com. [12.105.18.209], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:
>> Connection
>> timed out with lists.mlsnet.com.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do I need to have MX Records setup on my external DNS for this server?
>>
>>
>>
>> Your Help is Appreciated...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Fri Mar 28 19:38:15 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:38:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
Message-ID: 

Ahh that's my problem - I can NOT connect to port 25. 

Can someone help me out with trying to get that working? My deadline is
quickly approaching and I am nervous.

Thanks.. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dallas Bethune [mailto:dallas at dreamhost.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:41 PM
To: Sullivan, John
Cc: 'Bill Hilburn'; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record

In general, an MX record is not necessary if you have an A record.   
That's probably not your problem here.

Are you sure sendmail is running on the list server?  Can you connect  
to port 25 on it?  Is it properly configured to accept mail?

	Dallas

On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 09:25 am, Sullivan, John wrote:

> In my network I have a corporate mail server set up that handles all  
> the
> email for mlsnet.com
>
> I have setup the RedHat box so I can send out email to newsletter
> subscribers - I didn't want to put the heavy load on my corporate mail
> server.
>
> The RedHat box has sendmail on it and should be the box that handles  
> emails
> for lists.mlsnet.com (incoming should be delivered to this box)
> Also the IP for this box is the 12.105.18.209 address referenced below.
>
> I have an A record setup for lists.mlsnet.com - I do not have an MX  
> record
> setup for it though.
>
> How do I set the box up so it handles all email sent to  
> @lists.mlsnet.com?
>
> Thanks for your help..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dallas Bethune [mailto:dallas at dreamhost.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:21 PM
> To: Sullivan, John
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
>
>
>  From the last error there, it looks like your mail server is trying to
> deliver mail for lists.mlsnet.com to an smtp server at 12.105.18.209.
> I don't know what server that is, but it needs to be running an some
> sort of smtp server to accept email.  If that is not where the email
> should be going, then an MX record may be appropriate to point it to
> the appropriate location.
>
> 	Dallas
>
>
> On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 08:56 am, Sullivan, John wrote:
>
>> Hi all - I am having some problems sending out emails to my lists.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have Red Hat 8.0
>>
>> Sendmail
>>
>> MailMan 2.0.1
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a test lists set up with test users.
>>
>>
>>
>> When a user subscribes to the list they get a confirmation from the
>> mailman
>> server but when they reply there email seems to just get lost.
>>
>> When I send out an email to the list nothing gets delivered.
>>
>> My server name is lists.mlsnet.com and my list is called 90minutes and
>> I
>> should be able to send mail to 90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com
>>   to send an email to all of the
>> subscribers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is some log errors from maillog file:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mar 28 11:48:21 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484: from=root,
>> size=388, class=0, nrcpts=1,
>> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, relay=localhost
>> [[UNIX:
>> localhost]]
>>
>>
>> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10486]: h2SGmLjh010486:
>> from=<
>> > compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
>> f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomain& 
>> m
>> sg=MS
>> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
>> root at localhost.localdomain>, size=577, class=0, nrcpts=1,
>> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, proto=ESMTP,
>> daemon=MTA,
>> relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
>>
>>
>> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484:
>> to=90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:02,
>> xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=30387, relay=localhost.mlsnet.com.
>> [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h2SGmLjh010486 Message accepted for
>> delivery)
>>
>>
>> Mar 28 11:49:22 localhost sendmail[10488]: h2SGmLjh010486:
>> to=<90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com>, ctladdr=<
>> > compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
>> f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomain& 
>> m
>> sg=MS
>> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
>> root at localhost.localdomain> (0/0),
>> delay=00:01:01, xdelay=00:01:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30576,
>> relay=lists.mlsnet.com. [12.105.18.209], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:
>> Connection
>> timed out with lists.mlsnet.com.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do I need to have MX Records setup on my external DNS for this server?
>>
>>
>>
>> Your Help is Appreciated...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Fri Mar 28 20:18:41 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:18:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail port 25 
Message-ID: 

Configuring sendmail to listen on Port 25 for external connections should
not be that difficult to do. (but I am a newbie so I don't know much)

Can anyone point me in the right direction and let me know how I can
accomplish this.. 

Sendmail is running, from the local host I can telnet to port 25 no problem
but from any other machine I cannot get a connection to port 25. Any know
what I can do to resolve this? 

Thanks.. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sullivan, John 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:51 PM
To: 'David Chait'
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record

If I do a ps aux | grep "sendmail" I have some processes running. 

Sendmail is an MTA right? 

-----Original Message-----
From: David Chait [mailto:davidc at bonair.stanford.edu] 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:58 PM
To: Sullivan, John
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record

If you can't connect to 25 then you don't have an MTA installed...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sullivan, John" 
To: "'Dallas Bethune'" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:38 AM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record

> Ahh that's my problem - I can NOT connect to port 25.
>
> Can someone help me out with trying to get that working? My deadline is
> quickly approaching and I am nervous.
>
> Thanks..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dallas Bethune [mailto:dallas at dreamhost.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:41 PM
> To: Sullivan, John
> Cc: 'Bill Hilburn'; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
>
>
> In general, an MX record is not necessary if you have an A record.
> That's probably not your problem here.
>
> Are you sure sendmail is running on the list server?  Can you connect
> to port 25 on it?  Is it properly configured to accept mail?
>
> Dallas
>
>
> On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 09:25 am, Sullivan, John wrote:
>
> > In my network I have a corporate mail server set up that handles all
> > the
> > email for mlsnet.com
> >
> > I have setup the RedHat box so I can send out email to newsletter
> > subscribers - I didn't want to put the heavy load on my corporate mail
> > server.
> >
> > The RedHat box has sendmail on it and should be the box that handles
> > emails
> > for lists.mlsnet.com (incoming should be delivered to this box)
> > Also the IP for this box is the 12.105.18.209 address referenced below.
> >
> > I have an A record setup for lists.mlsnet.com - I do not have an MX
> > record
> > setup for it though.
> >
> > How do I set the box up so it handles all email sent to
> > @lists.mlsnet.com?
> >
> > Thanks for your help..
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dallas Bethune [mailto:dallas at dreamhost.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:21 PM
> > To: Sullivan, John
> > Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
> >
> >
> >  From the last error there, it looks like your mail server is trying to
> > deliver mail for lists.mlsnet.com to an smtp server at 12.105.18.209.
> > I don't know what server that is, but it needs to be running an some
> > sort of smtp server to accept email.  If that is not where the email
> > should be going, then an MX record may be appropriate to point it to
> > the appropriate location.
> >
> > Dallas
> >
> >
> > On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 08:56 am, Sullivan, John wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all - I am having some problems sending out emails to my lists.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have Red Hat 8.0
> >>
> >> Sendmail
> >>
> >> MailMan 2.0.1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have a test lists set up with test users.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> When a user subscribes to the list they get a confirmation from the
> >> mailman
> >> server but when they reply there email seems to just get lost.
> >>
> >> When I send out an email to the list nothing gets delivered.
> >>
> >> My server name is lists.mlsnet.com and my list is called 90minutes and
> >> I
> >> should be able to send mail to 90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com
> >>   to send an email to all of the
> >> subscribers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Here is some log errors from maillog file:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mar 28 11:48:21 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484: from=root,
> >> size=388, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> >> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, relay=localhost
> >> [[UNIX:
> >> localhost]]
> >>
> >>
> >> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10486]: h2SGmLjh010486:
> >> from=<
> >>  >> compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
> >> f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomain&
> >> m
> >> sg=MS
> >> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
> >> root at localhost.localdomain>, size=577, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> >> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, proto=ESMTP,
> >> daemon=MTA,
> >> relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
> >>
> >>
> >> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484:
> >> to=90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:02,
> >> xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=30387, relay=localhost.mlsnet.com.
> >> [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h2SGmLjh010486 Message accepted for
> >> delivery)
> >>
> >>
> >> Mar 28 11:49:22 localhost sendmail[10488]: h2SGmLjh010486:
> >> to=<90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com>, ctladdr=<
> >>  >> compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
> >> f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomain&
> >> m
> >> sg=MS
> >> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
> >> root at localhost.localdomain> (0/0),
> >> delay=00:01:01, xdelay=00:01:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30576,
> >> relay=lists.mlsnet.com. [12.105.18.209], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:
> >> Connection
> >> timed out with lists.mlsnet.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Do I need to have MX Records setup on my external DNS for this server?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Your Help is Appreciated...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------
> >> Mailman-Users mailing list
> >> Mailman-Users at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
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> >>
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> >
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From dallas at dreamhost.com  Fri Mar 28 20:35:10 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:35:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail port 25 
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <63368B0E-6154-11D7-9BF1-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>

Either sendmail is not binding to an IP that's reachable from the  
outside (by default it should bind to all the IP's on the machine,  
though) or maybe you have some sort of firewall blocking off port 25.   
Something like that?

	Dallas

On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 11:18 am, Sullivan, John wrote:

> Configuring sendmail to listen on Port 25 for external connections  
> should
> not be that difficult to do. (but I am a newbie so I don't know much)
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction and let me know how I can
> accomplish this..
>
> Sendmail is running, from the local host I can telnet to port 25 no  
> problem
> but from any other machine I cannot get a connection to port 25. Any  
> know
> what I can do to resolve this?
>
> Thanks..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sullivan, John
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:51 PM
> To: 'David Chait'
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
>
> If I do a ps aux | grep "sendmail" I have some processes running.
>
> Sendmail is an MTA right?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Chait [mailto:davidc at bonair.stanford.edu]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:58 PM
> To: Sullivan, John
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
>
> If you can't connect to 25 then you don't have an MTA installed...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sullivan, John" 
> To: "'Dallas Bethune'" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:38 AM
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
>
>
>> Ahh that's my problem - I can NOT connect to port 25.
>>
>> Can someone help me out with trying to get that working? My deadline  
>> is
>> quickly approaching and I am nervous.
>>
>> Thanks..
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dallas Bethune [mailto:dallas at dreamhost.com]
>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:41 PM
>> To: Sullivan, John
>> Cc: 'Bill Hilburn'; mailman-users at python.org
>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
>>
>>
>> In general, an MX record is not necessary if you have an A record.
>> That's probably not your problem here.
>>
>> Are you sure sendmail is running on the list server?  Can you connect
>> to port 25 on it?  Is it properly configured to accept mail?
>>
>> Dallas
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 09:25 am, Sullivan, John wrote:
>>
>>> In my network I have a corporate mail server set up that handles all
>>> the
>>> email for mlsnet.com
>>>
>>> I have setup the RedHat box so I can send out email to newsletter
>>> subscribers - I didn't want to put the heavy load on my corporate  
>>> mail
>>> server.
>>>
>>> The RedHat box has sendmail on it and should be the box that handles
>>> emails
>>> for lists.mlsnet.com (incoming should be delivered to this box)
>>> Also the IP for this box is the 12.105.18.209 address referenced  
>>> below.
>>>
>>> I have an A record setup for lists.mlsnet.com - I do not have an MX
>>> record
>>> setup for it though.
>>>
>>> How do I set the box up so it handles all email sent to
>>> @lists.mlsnet.com?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help..
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dallas Bethune [mailto:dallas at dreamhost.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:21 PM
>>> To: Sullivan, John
>>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
>>>
>>>
>>>  From the last error there, it looks like your mail server is trying  
>>> to
>>> deliver mail for lists.mlsnet.com to an smtp server at 12.105.18.209.
>>> I don't know what server that is, but it needs to be running an some
>>> sort of smtp server to accept email.  If that is not where the email
>>> should be going, then an MX record may be appropriate to point it to
>>> the appropriate location.
>>>
>>> Dallas
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 08:56 am, Sullivan, John wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all - I am having some problems sending out emails to my lists.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have Red Hat 8.0
>>>>
>>>> Sendmail
>>>>
>>>> MailMan 2.0.1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a test lists set up with test users.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When a user subscribes to the list they get a confirmation from the
>>>> mailman
>>>> server but when they reply there email seems to just get lost.
>>>>
>>>> When I send out an email to the list nothing gets delivered.
>>>>
>>>> My server name is lists.mlsnet.com and my list is called 90minutes  
>>>> and
>>>> I
>>>> should be able to send mail to 90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com
>>>>   to send an email to all of the
>>>> subscribers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here is some log errors from maillog file:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mar 28 11:48:21 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484:  
>>>> from=root,
>>>> size=388, class=0, nrcpts=1,
>>>> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, relay=localhost
>>>> [[UNIX:
>>>> localhost]]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10486]: h2SGmLjh010486:
>>>> from=<
>>>> >>> compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
>>>> f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomai 
>>>> n&
>>>> m
>>>> sg=MS
>>>> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
>>>> root at localhost.localdomain>, size=577, class=0, nrcpts=1,
>>>> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, proto=ESMTP,
>>>> daemon=MTA,
>>>> relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484:
>>>> to=90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:02,
>>>> xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=30387,  
>>>> relay=localhost.mlsnet.com.
>>>> [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h2SGmLjh010486 Message accepted  
>>>> for
>>>> delivery)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mar 28 11:49:22 localhost sendmail[10488]: h2SGmLjh010486:
>>>> to=<90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com>, ctladdr=<
>>>> >>> compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
>>>> f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomai 
>>>> n&
>>>> m
>>>> sg=MS
>>>> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
>>>> root at localhost.localdomain> (0/0),
>>>> delay=00:01:01, xdelay=00:01:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30576,
>>>> relay=lists.mlsnet.com. [12.105.18.209], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:
>>>> Connection
>>>> timed out with lists.mlsnet.com.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do I need to have MX Records setup on my external DNS for this  
>>>> server?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your Help is Appreciated...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Fri Mar 28 20:32:10 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:32:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail port 25 
Message-ID: 

No I found the problem: Sendmail is shipped to only listen on the local
host. I need to change that. Here's an FAQ on it below. Most of you using
sendmail as your MTA had to configure this at some point - Can anyone give
me directions - 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
.3.1.3 -- Why can't I receive mail with Red Hat 7.1 and later?
Date: May 3, 2001 
Updated: June 11, 2001 
Updated: December 4, 2002 
Red Hat, like some other vendors, changed the way that sendmail is run. (See
4.22 for a more general discussion of this problem.) They decided that most
people need a client-only version of sendmail. So it is listening only on
the localhost interface. Check the RH documentation on how to change that: 

Make sure that you have installed the "sendmail-cf" package on your system
-- it should be on your install media. 

Then check the file "sendmail.mc" (probably in "/etc/mail"). Look for the
string "DAEMON_OPTIONS" and for the comment lines near that string. 

Also note that Red Hat 7.1 and later build sendmail with tcpwrapper support,
and provide a hosts.deny file that rejects all external mail. The
sendmail:ALL addition to hosts.allow fixes this. 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

PS Sorry for being a newbie - Let me know if anyone needs help with Cisco
configs :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dallas Bethune [mailto:dallas at dreamhost.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 2:35 PM
To: Sullivan, John
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail port 25 

Either sendmail is not binding to an IP that's reachable from the  
outside (by default it should bind to all the IP's on the machine,  
though) or maybe you have some sort of firewall blocking off port 25.   
Something like that?

	Dallas

On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 11:18 am, Sullivan, John wrote:

> Configuring sendmail to listen on Port 25 for external connections  
> should
> not be that difficult to do. (but I am a newbie so I don't know much)
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction and let me know how I can
> accomplish this..
>
> Sendmail is running, from the local host I can telnet to port 25 no  
> problem
> but from any other machine I cannot get a connection to port 25. Any  
> know
> what I can do to resolve this?
>
> Thanks..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sullivan, John
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:51 PM
> To: 'David Chait'
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
>
> If I do a ps aux | grep "sendmail" I have some processes running.
>
> Sendmail is an MTA right?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Chait [mailto:davidc at bonair.stanford.edu]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:58 PM
> To: Sullivan, John
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
>
> If you can't connect to 25 then you don't have an MTA installed...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sullivan, John" 
> To: "'Dallas Bethune'" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:38 AM
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
>
>
>> Ahh that's my problem - I can NOT connect to port 25.
>>
>> Can someone help me out with trying to get that working? My deadline  
>> is
>> quickly approaching and I am nervous.
>>
>> Thanks..
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dallas Bethune [mailto:dallas at dreamhost.com]
>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:41 PM
>> To: Sullivan, John
>> Cc: 'Bill Hilburn'; mailman-users at python.org
>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
>>
>>
>> In general, an MX record is not necessary if you have an A record.
>> That's probably not your problem here.
>>
>> Are you sure sendmail is running on the list server?  Can you connect
>> to port 25 on it?  Is it properly configured to accept mail?
>>
>> Dallas
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 09:25 am, Sullivan, John wrote:
>>
>>> In my network I have a corporate mail server set up that handles all
>>> the
>>> email for mlsnet.com
>>>
>>> I have setup the RedHat box so I can send out email to newsletter
>>> subscribers - I didn't want to put the heavy load on my corporate  
>>> mail
>>> server.
>>>
>>> The RedHat box has sendmail on it and should be the box that handles
>>> emails
>>> for lists.mlsnet.com (incoming should be delivered to this box)
>>> Also the IP for this box is the 12.105.18.209 address referenced  
>>> below.
>>>
>>> I have an A record setup for lists.mlsnet.com - I do not have an MX
>>> record
>>> setup for it though.
>>>
>>> How do I set the box up so it handles all email sent to
>>> @lists.mlsnet.com?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help..
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dallas Bethune [mailto:dallas at dreamhost.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:21 PM
>>> To: Sullivan, John
>>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
>>>
>>>
>>>  From the last error there, it looks like your mail server is trying  
>>> to
>>> deliver mail for lists.mlsnet.com to an smtp server at 12.105.18.209.
>>> I don't know what server that is, but it needs to be running an some
>>> sort of smtp server to accept email.  If that is not where the email
>>> should be going, then an MX record may be appropriate to point it to
>>> the appropriate location.
>>>
>>> Dallas
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 08:56 am, Sullivan, John wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all - I am having some problems sending out emails to my lists.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have Red Hat 8.0
>>>>
>>>> Sendmail
>>>>
>>>> MailMan 2.0.1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a test lists set up with test users.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When a user subscribes to the list they get a confirmation from the
>>>> mailman
>>>> server but when they reply there email seems to just get lost.
>>>>
>>>> When I send out an email to the list nothing gets delivered.
>>>>
>>>> My server name is lists.mlsnet.com and my list is called 90minutes  
>>>> and
>>>> I
>>>> should be able to send mail to 90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com
>>>>   to send an email to all of the
>>>> subscribers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here is some log errors from maillog file:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mar 28 11:48:21 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484:  
>>>> from=root,
>>>> size=388, class=0, nrcpts=1,
>>>> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, relay=localhost
>>>> [[UNIX:
>>>> localhost]]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10486]: h2SGmLjh010486:
>>>> from=<
>>>> >>> compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
>>>> f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomai 
>>>> n&
>>>> m
>>>> sg=MS
>>>> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
>>>> root at localhost.localdomain>, size=577, class=0, nrcpts=1,
>>>> msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, proto=ESMTP,
>>>> daemon=MTA,
>>>> relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484:
>>>> to=90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:02,
>>>> xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=30387,  
>>>> relay=localhost.mlsnet.com.
>>>> [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h2SGmLjh010486 Message accepted  
>>>> for
>>>> delivery)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mar 28 11:49:22 localhost sendmail[10488]: h2SGmLjh010486:
>>>> to=<90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com>, ctladdr=<
>>>> >>> compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
>>>> f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomai 
>>>> n&
>>>> m
>>>> sg=MS
>>>> G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
>>>> root at localhost.localdomain> (0/0),
>>>> delay=00:01:01, xdelay=00:01:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30576,
>>>> relay=lists.mlsnet.com. [12.105.18.209], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:
>>>> Connection
>>>> timed out with lists.mlsnet.com.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do I need to have MX Records setup on my external DNS for this  
>>>> server?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your Help is Appreciated...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>>>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>>> Searchable Archives:
>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>>>
>>>> This message was sent to: dallas at dreamhost.com
>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/
>>>> dallas%40dreamhost.com
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From irwin at taranto.com  Fri Mar 28 20:51:52 2003
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:51:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail port 25
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200303281951.h2SJpqr19249@taranto.com>

On Friday 28 March 2003 11:32 am, Sullivan, John wrote:
> No I found the problem: Sendmail is shipped to only listen on the local
> host. I need to change that. Here's an FAQ on it below. Most of you using
> sendmail as your MTA had to configure this at some point - Can anyone give
> me directions -

I simply changed as follows:

# O DaemonPortOptions=Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA
O DaemonPortOptions=Port=smtp

Irwin

From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Fri Mar 28 21:33:13 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:33:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Do I need an MX Record
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030328203313.GF5132@hq.newdream.net>

On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:38:15PM -0500, Sullivan, John wrote:

> Ahh that's my problem - I can NOT connect to port 25. 
> 
> Can someone help me out with trying to get that working? My deadline is
> quickly approaching and I am nervous.

It sounds from your original message like you're using Red Hat. I seem
to recall that Red Hat's default config doesn't listen on external
interfaces. There's an article on this in the FAQ.

http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section5.html#5.3.1.3

Perhaps this will help?

-- 
The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a Sin. The Pope! But
even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does
it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this
war? - Michael Moore

From gaf at blu.org  Fri Mar 28 22:19:57 2003
From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:19:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail envelopes and virtual addresses
In-Reply-To: <20030328203313.GF5132@hq.newdream.net>
References: 
	<20030328203313.GF5132@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <20030328161957.6c5c9fe5.gaf@blu.org>

We host 29 listservs on our server with several virtual addresses. We
are using postfix as the MTA. We are running mailman 2.06. 

I would like to be able to set up the envelope so that it reflects the
virtual address if that is possible. 

Example:The domain of our server is blu.org. 
Let's say that we have a listserv, discuss at virtualaddress.org. I would
like to set up the envelope as discuss at virtualaddress.org rather than
discuss at blu.org. 

If that is possible, anyone suggest the appropriate settings. I do have
mailman set up so that the address is discuss at virtualaddress.org from
mailman's perspective. 

-- 
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PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

From ben at cenozoa.com  Fri Mar 28 23:26:39 2003
From: ben at cenozoa.com (ben strawbridge)
Date: 28 Mar 2003 17:26:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reconfigure default install
Message-ID: <1048890398.14651.41.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello,

I need to re-configure the default installation for mailman.  It was
installed on my server as part of the redhat linux os installation.

Where should i look for the configure script?  I have looked for the src
rpm for version 2.0.9 of mailman but can't find it, and I don't think it
was ever installed on my system...

i am getting the common problem of the wrong cgi-gid and need to
reconfigure with that switch, any assistance is appreciated.

thanks,

Ben Strawbridge - Senior Interface Engineer
-------------------------------------------------
Cenozoa Corporation
33 Little West 12th St. #106A
New York, NY 10014
http://www.cenozoa.com

From darryl at harvey.net.au  Fri Mar 28 23:50:36 2003
From: darryl at harvey.net.au (Darryl Harvey)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:50:36 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python version?
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030329094611.04570970@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>

I run a RedHat 7.3 system, it has mailman 2.0.13, python 1.5 and python 2.2 
installed.

If you run python you run V1.5.2
If you run python2 you run V2.2.2

I have noticed in the mailman scripts that it calls python (not python2).

I thought you needed python V2.2 to run mailman ?

AFAIK there are no sym links to python2, but I may be wrong.

What gives? Just curious.

Thanks
Darryl

From irwin at taranto.com  Fri Mar 28 23:56:10 2003
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:56:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python version?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030329094611.04570970@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030329094611.04570970@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
Message-ID: <200303282256.h2SMuAt21117@taranto.com>

On Friday 28 March 2003 02:50 pm, you wrote:
> I run a RedHat 7.3 system, it has mailman 2.0.13, python 1.5 and python 2.2
> installed.
>
> If you run python you run V1.5.2
> If you run python2 you run V2.2.2
>
> I have noticed in the mailman scripts that it calls python (not python2).
>
> I thought you needed python V2.2 to run mailman ?
>
> AFAIK there are no sym links to python2, but I may be wrong.
>
> What gives? Just curious.
>
> Thanks
> Darryl
>

Mailman 2.n requires python2.n
Mailman 1.n uses python.

irwin

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sat Mar 29 00:01:19 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:01:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python version?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030329094611.04570970@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030329094611.04570970@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030328230119.GT16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Darryl Harvey wrote:
> I run a RedHat 7.3 system, it has mailman 2.0.13, python 1.5 and python 2.2 
> installed.
>
> If you run python you run V1.5.2
> If you run python2 you run V2.2.2
>
> I have noticed in the mailman scripts that it calls python (not python2).
>
> I thought you needed python V2.2 to run mailman ?

Mailman 2.0 will be happy with Python 1.5.2.  Mailman 2.1 requires Python 2.

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From gaf at blu.org  Sat Mar 29 02:36:47 2003
From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:36:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python version?
In-Reply-To: <20030328230119.GT16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030329094611.04570970@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
	<20030328230119.GT16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <20030328203647.4280b473.gaf@blu.org>

On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:01:19 -0500
Todd  wrote:

> Mailman 2.0 will be happy with Python 1.5.2.  Mailman 2.1 requires
> Python 2.
Is there a good way to install Python2 without deinstalling Python1.5.
Then configuring mailman 2.1 to use Python2. 
We are on Red Hat 7.1.
I suppose we could build mailman from source, put python2 into
/usr/local. 

-- 
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Boston Linux and Unix user group
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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sat Mar 29 03:30:31 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:30:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python version?
In-Reply-To: <20030328203647.4280b473.gaf@blu.org>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030329094611.04570970@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
	<20030328230119.GT16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	<20030328203647.4280b473.gaf@blu.org>
Message-ID: <20030329023031.GU16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Jerry Feldman wrote:
> Is there a good way to install Python2 without deinstalling Python1.5.
> Then configuring mailman 2.1 to use Python2. 
> We are on Red Hat 7.1.

Hmm, well, if you like installing things via RPM, you could try grabbing the
python2 source rpm from Red Hat 7.3 and rebuilding it on 7.1.  In 7.2 and
7.3, Red Hat has included both python 1.5 and 2, with python-2 being in the
python2 rpm and python-1.5 being in the python rpm.  Since many of the Red
Hat system apps require python, it's probably a good idea to leave the stock
python rpm there and install python2 in addition to that.

If you've never rebuilt rpms, you should be able to simply issue a command
like this:

    rpm --rebuild python2-2.2-16.src.rpm

and end up with a binary rpm suitable for your distribution.  Sometimes you
need to tweak a few things in the rpm spec file to make this work.  None of
this is too hard, but it can be frustrating if you've never done it before
and you've got a deadline.  I don't have any 7.1 installs around to test
this on so I can't say if the source rpm will rebuild cleanly for you or
not.

> I suppose we could build mailman from source, put python2 into
> /usr/local. 

That's certainly an option as well.  You could also upgrade the box to 7.3,
which includes both python 1.5 and 2.2.

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From irwin at taranto.com  Sat Mar 29 03:46:30 2003
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:46:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python version?
In-Reply-To: <20030328203647.4280b473.gaf@blu.org>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030329094611.04570970@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
	<20030328230119.GT16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	<20030328203647.4280b473.gaf@blu.org>
Message-ID: <200303290246.h2T2kUB23610@taranto.com>

On Friday 28 March 2003 05:36 pm, you wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:01:19 -0500
>
> Todd  wrote:
> > Mailman 2.0 will be happy with Python 1.5.2.  Mailman 2.1 requires
> > Python 2.
>
> Is there a good way to install Python2 without deinstalling Python1.5.

They don't conflict.   Just download the tarball from python.org and install.

> Then configuring mailman 2.1 to use Python2.
> We are on Red Hat 7.1.
> I suppose we could build mailman from source, put python2 into
> /usr/local.

Once you have Python2 installed, configuring mailman2.1 is relatively 
straight forward.

Irwin

From bob at nleaudio.com  Sat Mar 29 06:31:17 2003
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:31:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MX Record?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030329053117.M82930@nleaudio.com>

> In general, an MX record is not necessary if you have an A record.  
> That's probably not your problem here.

Since when?!  For transporting mail, you certainly DO need an MX record!

Bob

From dan.mick at sun.com  Sat Mar 29 06:46:19 2003
From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:46:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MX Record?
In-Reply-To: <20030329053117.M82930@nleaudio.com>
References: 
	<20030329053117.M82930@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <3E85332B.1030602@sun.com>

Bob Puff at NLE wrote:
>>In general, an MX record is not necessary if you have an A record.  
>>That's probably not your problem here.
> 
> 
> Since when?!  For transporting mail, you certainly DO need an MX record!

not if you have an A record.

From xpoint at junc.org  Sat Mar 29 07:02:38 2003
From: xpoint at junc.org (Benny Pedersen)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:02:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] webmin
Message-ID: <200303290702.38175.xpoint@junc.org>

any one have a webmin module for mailman ?

i have one that do not work here with my mailman :/
-- 
  7:00am  up 4 days,  5:14,  5 users,  load average: 1.10, 0.41, 0.20

From b at grabbarna.nu  Sat Mar 29 14:52:07 2003
From: b at grabbarna.nu (Jan Banan)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:52:07 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variables available for use
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Hi,

Where can I find a description of variables available to use in the 
msg_footer? (like web_page_url, cgiext, list_name, ...)

(using Mailman 2.1.1)

        Best regards / JB

From b at grabbarna.nu  Sat Mar 29 15:42:44 2003
From: b at grabbarna.nu (Jan Banan)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:42:44 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] msg_footer personal admin page reference
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

> I like to adjust the msg_footer so that it instead of refereing to the 
> general admin page for all users
>     %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(list_name)s
> would refer to the personal admin page, maybe something like
>     %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(list_name)s/%(email_of_subscriber)s

I mean I like to use the same footer as this mailinglist are using:

   http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/b%40grabbarna.nu

What is the variable name to produce the email address on the end of that 
line?

   Regards / JB

From gaf at blu.org  Sat Mar 29 16:03:19 2003
From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:03:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python version?
Message-ID: <20030329100319.62bd72a6.gaf@blu.org>

On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:30:31 -0500
Todd  wrote:

> That's certainly an option as well.  You could also upgrade the box to
> 7.3, which includes both python 1.5 and 2.2.
Unfortunately, that's difficult. We have a single server that is sitting
in a colo site. Normally, the way we do it is to stage the new system on
another system, then either swap in the new system or replace the disks.
But, building Python2 is a better option. 
-- 
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Boston Linux and Unix user group
http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9
PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

From mitchell at cuip.net  Sat Mar 29 16:07:10 2003
From: mitchell at cuip.net (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:07:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python version?
In-Reply-To: <200303290246.h2T2kUB23610@taranto.com>
References: <20030328203647.4280b473.gaf@blu.org>
 <5.2.0.9.2.20030329094611.04570970@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
 <20030328230119.GT16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
 <20030328203647.4280b473.gaf@blu.org>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030329090413.02d33af0@cuip.uchicago.edu>

At 08:46 PM 3/28/03, irwin wrote:

>Once you have Python2 installed, configuring mailman2.1 is relatively
>straight forward.

And specifically, since "python" on your system will still be python 1.**, 
when you configure Mailman use a --with-python= flag, for instance

       ./configure --with-python=/usr/bin/python2

Hope it goes well.

    -- Mitch

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   And those Samsonited pasts

From laser at musichat.net  Sat Mar 29 18:32:05 2003
From: laser at musichat.net (Ciappei Alessandro (las3r))
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:32:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030329182939.032f0610@mail.musichat.net>

Hi all,

I have a problem with mailman.

I run qmail server with vpopmail
and i compile mailman-2.1.1 in same server

i create a list and i subscribe it

when i post a mail to the list, it's come back with this error

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.musichat.net.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

:
Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. vpopmail (#5.1.1)

--- Below this line is a copy of the message.

Return-Path: 
Received: (qmail 12084 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 17:28:48 -0000
Received: from vsmtp3.tin.it (HELO smtp3.cp.tin.it) (212.216.176.223)
   by 0 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 17:28:48 -0000
Received: from alex-ehdp14futz.musichat.net (80.116.176.111) by 
smtp3.cp.tin.it (6.5.033)
         id 3E48CE9F01202323 for staff at musichat.net; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 
18:23:55 +0100
Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030329182702.032f04c8 at mail.musichat.net>
X-Sender: laser at musichat.net@mail.musichat.net (Unverified)
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:27:10 +0100
To: staff at musichat.net
From: "Ciappei Alessandro (las3r)" 
Subject: prova
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

prova

some one can help me?

thx a lot

Regards

ALex

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From brian.kirkley at hp.com  Wed Mar 26 21:56:10 2003
From: brian.kirkley at hp.com (KIRKLEY,BRIAN (HP-USA,ex1))
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:56:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
Message-ID: <1D7D6F30D7D8D31197A10090274065C40D3086EF@xatl06.atl.hp.com>

I currently have your service via Hostway.  I have a question about how to
set up an email.  I have a mailmain list created, for test at lists.test.com
So, I enter this in the TO field to send out.  I would like to know how I
can hide the mailmain list name so people cannot reply to it.

Kirkley
Hewlett-Packard Company
e-Business IT
404-648-5862 
www.ecardfile.com/id/kirkley  

From dcoutts at voip.com.au  Thu Mar 27 10:35:37 2003
From: dcoutts at voip.com.au (Damian Coutts)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:35:37 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Very bad performance (newbie)
Message-ID: <3E82C5E9.8070709@voip.com.au>

Mailman Users
I have installed mailman on my Redhat Linux 8.0 machine.
I am not sure if it is working because when I start it (mailmanctl 
start) the machine suffers a terrible performance degredation. ie. its 
response becomes so slow that it  is hard to do anything.
I did manage to determine that the CPU utilisation does not seem to be 
very high
Can anyone help me?
Damian Coutts

From yugami at monochromatic.net  Thu Mar 27 16:26:44 2003
From: yugami at monochromatic.net (Marc Britten)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:26:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass user edit
Message-ID: <3E831834.20704@monochromatic.net>

Hi,

I'm looking for a way to modify about 458 users really quick.

in the middle of moving servers something got messed up and mailman 
checked all users to nomail.

now hand clicking 30 users per page doesn't sound like fun. Is there a 
script out there for cli modifications to users?

thanks,

yugami

From rachel at katipo.co.nz  Fri Mar 28 00:33:15 2003
From: rachel at katipo.co.nz (Rachel Hamilton-Williams)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:33:15 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Paying for Developement on Mailman 3 - an Offer
Message-ID: <3E8432FB.20754.81E2F8C@localhost>

Hi there,

I have a client who wants basically the functionality you have planned for 
Mailman 3.  We are looking at writing a bunch of code, to achieve the same sort 

of aims, and I just wondered wether there is a way to give you money to speed 
up development - instead of duplicating effort :-)

We are in New Zealand - and I suspect the NZ dollar doesn't go very far, but if 

you have an idea of what it would cost to get Mailman 3 up and running in the 
next 3 months - of if that just isn't possible, please let me know

Cheers
Rachel
_____________________________________________________________

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mailto:rachel at katipo.co.nz           PO Box 12487, Wellington
http://www.katipo.co.nz              New Zealand
Koha Open Source Library System
http://www.koha.org

From mcobb at cobbcomm.com  Fri Mar 28 02:29:19 2003
From: mcobb at cobbcomm.com (mcobb)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:29:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 setup problem
Message-ID: 

Folks,

I'm at whits end. I have spent all (probably because I'm an idiot)
installing Mailman 2.1 on
a RedHat 8.0 server. I'm running Postfix 1.11 and have done all the config's
via the Howto,
Howdon'ts, pain and suffering guide etc.

I created a list called test, and send e-mail to it. I get nothing not a
smrsh failure nada,
zip. I see the message in qfiles, and even in archives. But it NEVER send
the e-mail to the
alias users (me). The only thing I haven't done is config a link to the
mailman wrapper.
Why? It never says you have to for postfix. Also, /etc/smrsh dosent exist,
/usr/sbin/smrsh
does. I have installed everything using grp mailman and user mailman. I
attahced the Defaults.py
and the mm_cfg.py. I did add SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Mike

Michael Cobb (KF6MPI)
Cobb Communications Corp.

Computers are like air-conditioners:
They stop working properly as soon as
you open windows.

From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Fri Mar 28 13:51:07 2003
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 07:51:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove_members script
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I'm using mailman 2.0.6.  The remove_members script sends out unsubscribe
notices if the 'Text sent to people leaving the list.' field is filled
out.

How can the script be edited to stop sending out the unsubscribe
notices?

Sean

From paul.mansfield at worldpay.com  Fri Mar 28 16:59:40 2003
From: paul.mansfield at worldpay.com (Paul Mansfield)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:59:40 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customising the options page - templated?
Message-ID: 

I hope I'm not bringing up a common problem, but here goes...

running mm2.1 on debian3.0

I want to customise the page http://x/mailman/options/mylist

this page appears to be produced by
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py - and I'm not a python expert (too
lazy to become one?), so I can't tell if the page is produced using at least
some templating.

thanks for any suggestions
Paul

From pjh42 at comcast.net  Sat Mar 29 18:40:36 2003
From: pjh42 at comcast.net (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 12:40:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp-failures
Message-ID: 

I noticed an error message in the logs/smtp-failures file:

Mar 27 20:11:07 2003 TrySMTPDelivery: To [  
]:                                                                          
                                                  Mar 27 20:11:07 2003 
TrySMTPDelivery:    Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPServerDisconnected  / 
Connection unexpectedly closed  (dequeued)

Does this mean that none of the people in that long list got the posted 
message?

How can I assist the Linux system administration in troubleshooting this?

Thanks.
-- 
Pete Holsberg

From shakeelc at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 29 19:22:06 2003
From: shakeelc at hotmail.com (Shakeel Chothai)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:22:06 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I wanted to find out where I would go to create new email once I have created my mailing list.  Using the mailing list as my group to send out. Right now when I try sending the email to the group, nothing seems to go out. Please help me out ASAP.

Regards,
MB 

From contacto at movimiento1011.com  Sat Mar 29 19:45:13 2003
From: contacto at movimiento1011.com (Contacto 1011)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:45:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	How can I delete any messages from the mailman list archive
Message-ID: <021001c2f623$8e35bd50$223054c8@Main>

Hi,

How can I selectively delete any messages from the mailman list archive?

Sincerely,

Donato

Movimiento 1011
www.movimiento1011.com
contacto at movimiento1011.com

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sat Mar 29 20:11:24 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:11:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 setup problem
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030329191124.GD16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

mcobb wrote:
> I'm at whits end. I have spent all (probably because I'm an idiot)
> installing Mailman 2.1 on a RedHat 8.0 server. I'm running Postfix 1.11
> and have done all the config's via the Howto, Howdon'ts, pain and
> suffering guide etc.
>
> I created a list called test, and send e-mail to it. I get nothing not a
> smrsh failure nada, zip. I see the message in qfiles, and even in
> archives. But it NEVER send the e-mail to the alias users (me).

Has mailmanctl been started?  You can use ps to see if it's running:

# ps U mailman
  PID TTY      STAT   TIME COMMAND
 1882 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2 /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start
 1883 ?        S      0:53 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
 1884 ?        S      0:00 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
 1885 ?        S      0:49 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
 1887 ?        S      0:52 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
 1888 ?        S      0:52 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
 1889 ?        S      0:55 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
 1890 ?        S      0:53 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s

> The only thing I haven't done is config a link to the mailman wrapper.
> Why? It never says you have to for postfix.

Right, you won't need that at all for postfix.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sat Mar 29 20:14:30 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:14:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I delete any messages from the mailman
	list archive
In-Reply-To: <021001c2f623$8e35bd50$223054c8@Main>
References: <021001c2f623$8e35bd50$223054c8@Main>
Message-ID: <20030329191430.GE16931@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Contacto 1011 wrote:
> How can I selectively delete any messages from the mailman list archive?

Edit the mbox file for the list and then run ~mailman/bin/arch for the list.

- -- 
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============================================================================
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From marilyn at deliberate.com  Sat Mar 29 22:43:42 2003
From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:43:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known
In-Reply-To: <1048347552.18881.47.camel@geddy>
Message-ID: 

> On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 17:04, Marilyn Davis wrote:

> > I'm still pulling out my hair on this one ...

Remember that I was trying to get my stand-alone test machine to use
my Sendmail command (really exim) instead of SMTPDirect?

On 22 Mar 2003, Barry Warsaw wrote:

> > So, in my mm_cfg.py I put:
> > 
> > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
> > 
> > but it didn't fix it.
> 
> Are you sure SENDMAIL_CMD points to the right executable?
> 
> > How can I get it to use sendmail (linked to exim) instead of the
> > SMTPDirect module?
> 
> They way you're doing it is the only way, and it ought to work, 

I wish I could report that I figured out the problem here.

It is fixed but I don't understand it.

Changing my mm_cfg.py DELIVERY_MODULE to Sendmail didn't work until I
ran it in the debugger.  Then it worked outside the debugger too.

I put it back to SMPTDirect to try to figure out what is happening and
it stopped working again.  Putting it back to Sendmail did not fix it,
once again, until I ran it in the debugger.  And now it works every
time again.

I'm new to Python and wanting to become fluent, so I wish I understood
what could be happening.

I understand that my_module.py gets compiled to my_module.pyc.  I'm
wondering what happens with qrunner since it doesn't have a .py or a
.pyc.  Is the byte code stored some place?

Or maybe my brains were attached to all the hairs I pulled out on this
one and I've gone nuts.

Marilyn

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Mar 30 00:43:16 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:43:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known
References: 
Message-ID: <002901c2f64c$f8efaec0$1401a8c0@anncons>

I suspect you simply forgot the restart the mailmanctl daemon last time. :-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marilyn Davis" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known

>
> > On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 17:04, Marilyn Davis wrote:
>
> > > I'm still pulling out my hair on this one ...
>
> Remember that I was trying to get my stand-alone test machine to use
> my Sendmail command (really exim) instead of SMTPDirect?
>
> On 22 Mar 2003, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>
> > > So, in my mm_cfg.py I put:
> > >
> > > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
> > >
> > > but it didn't fix it.
> >
> > Are you sure SENDMAIL_CMD points to the right executable?
> >
> > > How can I get it to use sendmail (linked to exim) instead of the
> > > SMTPDirect module?
> >
> > They way you're doing it is the only way, and it ought to work,
>
> I wish I could report that I figured out the problem here.
>
> It is fixed but I don't understand it.
>
> Changing my mm_cfg.py DELIVERY_MODULE to Sendmail didn't work until I
> ran it in the debugger.  Then it worked outside the debugger too.
>
> I put it back to SMPTDirect to try to figure out what is happening and
> it stopped working again.  Putting it back to Sendmail did not fix it,
> once again, until I ran it in the debugger.  And now it works every
> time again.
>
> I'm new to Python and wanting to become fluent, so I wish I understood
> what could be happening.
>
> I understand that my_module.py gets compiled to my_module.pyc.  I'm
> wondering what happens with qrunner since it doesn't have a .py or a
> .pyc.  Is the byte code stored some place?
>
> Or maybe my brains were attached to all the hairs I pulled out on this
> one and I've gone nuts.
>
> Marilyn
>
>
>
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Mar 30 00:46:27 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:46:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
References: 
Message-ID: <003d01c2f64d$6a8968a0$1401a8c0@anncons>

See the FAQ section 3.14
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shakeel Chothai" 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 10:41 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman

Hi,

I wanted to find out where I would go to create new email once I have
created my mailing list.  Using the mailing list as my group to send out.
Right now when I try sending the email to the group, nothing seems to go
out. Please help me out ASAP.

Regards,
MB
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Mar 30 00:52:27 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:52:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Very bad performance (newbie)
References: <3E82C5E9.8070709@voip.com.au>
Message-ID: <005801c2f64e$40b54a20$1401a8c0@anncons>

cpu utilization is low... What disk sub-system are you using and what is
your current processor and memory.

I suspect that you are low on available memory and you are seeing a lot of
virtual memory swapping (plus you probably have an ide disk subsystem.

Just a WAG - but an *educated* WAG  ; )

Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Damian Coutts" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 4:35 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Very bad performance (newbie)

> Mailman Users
> I have installed mailman on my Redhat Linux 8.0 machine.
> I am not sure if it is working because when I start it (mailmanctl
> start) the machine suffers a terrible performance degredation. ie. its
> response becomes so slow that it  is hard to do anything.
> I did manage to determine that the CPU utilisation does not seem to be
> very high
> Can anyone help me?
> Damian Coutts
>
>
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>
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Mar 30 00:56:08 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:56:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
References: <1D7D6F30D7D8D31197A10090274065C40D3086EF@xatl06.atl.hp.com>
Message-ID: <006001c2f64e$c493d5a0$1401a8c0@anncons>

You can include an option from the Web-Admin: replies go to explicit address

Other than that, you can use your MTA to CYA.  This is easy or hard,
depending on what your Mail Transport Authority is.  Another option is to
hack the code (not a hard hack at all).

HtH - Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "KIRKLEY,BRIAN (HP-USA,ex1)" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:56 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question

> I currently have your service via Hostway.  I have a question about how to
> set up an email.  I have a mailmain list created, for test at lists.test.com
> So, I enter this in the TO field to send out.  I would like to know how I
> can hide the mailmain list name so people cannot reply to it.
>
> Kirkley
> Hewlett-Packard Company
> e-Business IT
> 404-648-5862
> www.ecardfile.com/id/kirkley 
>
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>
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Mar 30 00:58:48 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:58:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass user edit
References: <3E831834.20704@monochromatic.net>
Message-ID: <006a01c2f64f$246763c0$1401a8c0@anncons>

There is actually such a script in the archives.  BTW: you can set the
number of users displayed on each web page.  I set my default to 100 and
jack it up to a 1000 for some lists.  I can use ctl-F much faster than I can
page through the lists.

Good Luck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Britten" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:26 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass user edit

> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for a way to modify about 458 users really quick.
>
> in the middle of moving servers something got messed up and mailman
> checked all users to nomail.
>
> now hand clicking 30 users per page doesn't sound like fun. Is there a
> script out there for cli modifications to users?
>
> thanks,
>
> yugami
>
>
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>
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Mar 30 01:07:11 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:07:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030329182939.032f0610@mail.musichat.net>
Message-ID: <007601c2f650$4fec54a0$1401a8c0@anncons>

First off, I'm not a big fan of Qmail (ask me why if you want to hear Jon
rant).  That being said, I know it has some automated way of working with
Mailman.  You may have set this up, but it's not working I've seen a few
fixes for this cross the archives so you can do a search there.  It may
help.

Alternately, you can simply define the mailman aliases in your /etc/aliases
file.  Run "newmail" afterwards - assuming that qmail is at least partially
Sendmail compliant or it would break a lot of Linux servers.

Hope this is helpful,

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ciappei Alessandro (las3r)" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 12:32 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem

> Hi all,
>
> I have a problem with mailman.
>
> I run qmail server with vpopmail
> and i compile mailman-2.1.1 in same server
>
> i create a list and i subscribe it
>
> when i post a mail to the list, it's come back with this error
>
> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.musichat.net.
> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
> :
> Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. vpopmail (#5.1.1)
>
> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
>
> Return-Path: 
> Received: (qmail 12084 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 17:28:48 -0000
> Received: from vsmtp3.tin.it (HELO smtp3.cp.tin.it) (212.216.176.223)
>    by 0 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 17:28:48 -0000
> Received: from alex-ehdp14futz.musichat.net (80.116.176.111) by
> smtp3.cp.tin.it (6.5.033)
>          id 3E48CE9F01202323 for staff at musichat.net; Sat, 29 Mar 2003
> 18:23:55 +0100
> Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030329182702.032f04c8 at mail.musichat.net>
> X-Sender: laser at musichat.net@mail.musichat.net (Unverified)
> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9
> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:27:10 +0100
> To: staff at musichat.net
> From: "Ciappei Alessandro (las3r)" 
> Subject: prova
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> prova
>
>
>
> some one can help me?
>
> thx a lot
>
> Regards
>
> ALex
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
> Chi riceve il presente  messaggio e` tenuto a verificare se lo stesso non
gli
> sia pervenuto per  errore.  In tal caso e` pregato di avvisare
immediatamente
> il mittente  e,  tenuto  conto  delle  responsabilita` connesse
all'indebito
> utilizzo e/o  divulgazione  del  messaggio  e/o  delle  informazioni  in
esso
> contenute,  voglia  cancellare  l'originale  e distruggere  le varie copie
o
> stampe.
>
> The receiver  of this message is required to check if  he/she has received
it
> erroneously.  If  so,  the  receiver  is  requested to immediately inform
the
> sender and - in consideration of the responsibilities  arising from undue
use
> and/or disclosure of the message  and/or  the information contained
therein -
> destroy the original message and any copy or printout thereof.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
>
>
>
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From bobolin at tatybg.com  Sun Mar 30 01:56:10 2003
From: bobolin at tatybg.com (Borislav Borisov)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 02:56:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  - Please Help Me ...
Message-ID: <001a01c2f657$27891c80$44ad44c1@bobolin>

I wont change data in MM-Mailman-Footer (the data in the bottom of listinfo page), but i don`t know and i don`t idea where is can find MM-Mailman-Footer.
Please help me ...
I wont change visualisation of email adres. 
Now he is: user at domain.com
I wont to format like: user at domain.com, not like above.

Sorry for my very bad english.

Borislav Borisov
bobolin at uni-svishtov.bg
Academic Computer Center
Tsenov Academy of Economics
www.uni-svishtov.bg
Svishtov 5250,
BULGARIA

From bobolin at tatybg.com  Sun Mar 30 05:21:15 2003
From: bobolin at tatybg.com (Borislav Borisov)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 05:21:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  - Please Help Me ...
Message-ID: <000601c2f66b$6bfe32b0$44ad44c1@bobolin>

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Mar 30 08:34:02 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 30 Mar 2003 01:34:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1049006040.2782.72.camel@localhost>

In DNS you would have something like:
  lists.mlsnet.com.    A      216.216.23.43
                       MX     10  lists.mlsnet.com
                       MX     100 mail.mlsnet.com

In this scenario all mail to user at lists.mlsnet.com will be delivered to
lists.mlsnet.com.  If that server does not respond then the mail will be
queued up on your main mail server: mail.mlsnet.com

This assumes that you can setup the other mail server to act as a
secondary.  If not, then just leave it off.

And "yes" virginia, you *do* need an MX record.  If you don't have an MX
record then any mail to lists.mlsnet.com will be dumped out to your main
mail server (using your domains MX record).  You could setup some
internal routes on that server to shuffle mail over to lists.mlsnet.com,
but that would be counter to your stated intention of moving the load
away from the main mail server.

Jon Carnes
Sendmail/DNS guru

On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 12:25, Sullivan, John wrote:
> In my network I have a corporate mail server set up that handles all the
> email for mlsnet.com
> 
> I have setup the RedHat box so I can send out email to newsletter
> subscribers - I didn't want to put the heavy load on my corporate mail
> server. 
> 
> The RedHat box has sendmail on it and should be the box that handles emails
> for lists.mlsnet.com (incoming should be delivered to this box)
> Also the IP for this box is the 12.105.18.209 address referenced below.  
> 
> I have an A record setup for lists.mlsnet.com - I do not have an MX record
> setup for it though. 
> 
> How do I set the box up so it handles all email sent to @lists.mlsnet.com?
> 
> Thanks for your help.. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dallas Bethune [mailto:dallas at dreamhost.com] 
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:21 PM
> To: Sullivan, John
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need an MX Record
> 
> 
>  From the last error there, it looks like your mail server is trying to  
> deliver mail for lists.mlsnet.com to an smtp server at 12.105.18.209.   
> I don't know what server that is, but it needs to be running an some  
> sort of smtp server to accept email.  If that is not where the email  
> should be going, then an MX record may be appropriate to point it to  
> the appropriate location.
> 
> 	Dallas
> 
> 
> On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 08:56 am, Sullivan, John wrote:
> 
> > Hi all - I am having some problems sending out emails to my lists.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have Red Hat 8.0
> >
> > Sendmail
> >
> > MailMan 2.0.1
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a test lists set up with test users.
> >
> >
> >
> > When a user subscribes to the list they get a confirmation from the  
> > mailman
> > server but when they reply there email seems to just get lost.
> >
> > When I send out an email to the list nothing gets delivered.
> >
> > My server name is lists.mlsnet.com and my list is called 90minutes and  
> > I
> > should be able to send mail to 90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com
> >   to send an email to all of the
> > subscribers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is some log errors from maillog file:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mar 28 11:48:21 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484: from=root,
> > size=388, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> > msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, relay=localhost  
> > [[UNIX:
> > localhost]]
> >
> >
> > Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10486]: h2SGmLjh010486:
> > from=<
> >  > compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
> > f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomain&m 
> > sg=MS
> > G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
> > root at localhost.localdomain>, size=577, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> > msgid=<200303281148.20675.90minute at 90minutes.com>, proto=ESMTP,  
> > daemon=MTA,
> > relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
> >
> >
> > Mar 28 11:48:22 localhost sendmail[10484]: h2SGmKFc010484:
> > to=90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:02,
> > xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=30387, relay=localhost.mlsnet.com.
> > [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h2SGmLjh010486 Message accepted for
> > delivery)
> >
> >
> > Mar 28 11:49:22 localhost sendmail[10488]: h2SGmLjh010486:
> > to=<90minutes at lists.mlsnet.com>, ctladdr=<
> >  > compose?curmbox=F000000005&a=fa
> > f76a38f4023445548c138e0ad20419&mailto=1&to=root at localhost.localdomain&m 
> > sg=MS
> > G1048870350.86&start=1072965&len=2281&src=&type=x>
> > root at localhost.localdomain> (0/0),
> > delay=00:01:01, xdelay=00:01:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30576,
> > relay=lists.mlsnet.com. [12.105.18.209], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:
> > Connection
> > timed out with lists.mlsnet.com.
> >
> >
> >
> > Do I need to have MX Records setup on my external DNS for this server?
> >
> >
> >
> > Your Help is Appreciated...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:  
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: dallas at dreamhost.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/
> > dallas%40dreamhost.com
> >
> 
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> 
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From freebsd at nest-consultants.com.au  Sun Mar 30 12:31:03 2003
From: freebsd at nest-consultants.com.au (freebsd)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:31:03 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error problem
Message-ID: <20030302103201.GE234@tora.nestconsultants>

Hello List,

I have mailman running two lists.   Both are small in user numbers 
running on the same freeBSD 4.3 box with sendmail on Roxen 2.x 
webserver.   Both have been working fine until now.

One of the lists is giveing and error whenever I try to perform and 
administrative function.   Going to the pendign admin tasks page is 
fine but when I either defer, reject, approve or discard any option 
(which are building up) I get the following:

Process.create_process(): exec() failed. errno:7 File not found? Pike 
backtrace
__builtin.create_process:
create(({"/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb"}),mapping[10])
__builtin:
create_process()
modules/scripting/cgi.pike:748 (version 2.36):
run()
modules/scripting/cgi.pike:936 (version 2.36):
find_file("admindb",RequestID())
base_server/configuration.pike:1338 (version 1.303):
low_get_file(RequestID(),0)
base_server/configuration.pike:1528 (version 1.303):
get_file(RequestID(),0,0)
base_server/configuration.pike:1507 (version 1.303):
handle_request(RequestID())
protocols/http.pike:1840 (version 1.228):
handle_request()
base_server/roxen.pike:491 (version 1.480):
unthreaded_handle(protocols/http.pike.handle_request)
protocols/http.pike:1968 (version 1.228):
got_data(0,".org.au%3E%0D%0A"+[1201]+"t+2months+after+")
/usr/local/pike/7.0.54/lib/modules/Stdio.pmod/module.pmod:308 (version 
1.79):
__stdio_read_callback()
Generate text only version of this error message, for bug reports

=======

I am unable to figure it out and the other list is functioning 
perfectly.

Any advice kindly appreciated

Regards,

Peter

From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Sun Mar 30 13:08:49 2003
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:08:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  - Please Help Me ...
In-Reply-To: <001a01c2f657$27891c80$44ad44c1@bobolin>
References: <001a01c2f657$27891c80$44ad44c1@bobolin>
Message-ID: <20030330110849.GA83546@imhotep.yuckfou.org>

On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 02:56:10AM +0200, Borislav Borisov (BB) wrote:
BB> I wont change data in MM-Mailman-Footer (the data in the bottom of listinfo page), but i don`t know and i don`t idea where is can find MM-Mailman-Footer.

You can change the footer settings via the web frontend using:

http:///admin//nondigest
(fill in the obvious items between <>)

Offcourse, you have to be list or site-administrator to do this.

Cya,

Nils.

From bobolin at tatybg.com  Sun Mar 30 15:07:20 2003
From: bobolin at tatybg.com (Borislav Borisov)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:07:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem: My list look only flat. No threads.
Message-ID: <000e01c2f6bd$4be70b80$44ad44c1@bobolin>

I have a problem. My list look only flat. No threads. Why ?
How i can send "Re:" to some message in the list ?
I use Microsoft Outlook Express to send messages.

Borislav Borisov
============

From bobolin at tatybg.com  Sun Mar 30 16:38:37 2003
From: bobolin at tatybg.com (Borislav Borisov)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:38:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	In-Reply-To header missing. I'M DESPERATE! Please, help me ...
Message-ID: <001301c2f6ca$0c7adb40$44ad44c1@bobolin>

Why In-Reply-To message header is empty on my mailing list. Just missing in the email header.

Borislav Borisov
bobolin at tatybg.com
Svishtov 5250,
BULGARIA

From pjh at mccc.edu  Sun Mar 30 18:12:33 2003
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:12:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration Question
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Is there a way to configure mailman so that the admin can
get a list of the actual recipients of any given message?

From rdzek at solarbugs.com  Sun Mar 30 18:35:36 2003
From: rdzek at solarbugs.com (Ray Dzek)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:35:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python 100% CPU
References: <20030302103201.GE234@tora.nestconsultants>
Message-ID: <000d01c2f6da$64a9d3b0$cd00a8c0@eclipse>

Okay ...

Mailman 2.1.1
Python  2.2.1-17
Postfix 1.1.11-5

I finally appear to have the right combination of --with-mail-gid
and --with-cgi-gid.  I am not getting those errors anymore.  I had several
other "issues" because I am running dual instances of Postfix and had a
hostname circular reference problem that also needed to get fixed (total
n00b action on my part).

So...  Now when I send an email to my test list, python grabs all the CPU
and just hangs there until I kill the process.  There are only 3 addresses
in the list.  mailmanctl and qrunner are both in the process list.  There
are no log entries with a time stamp with when I sent the test mail accept
this in /mailman/logs/qrunner:

Mar 29 16:52:03 2003 (1010) OutgoingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM.
Stopping.
Mar 29 16:52:03 2003 (1010) OutgoingRunner qrunner exiting.
Mar 29 16:52:03 2003 (5227) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 1010, sig: None, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1)

Any ideas?   Thanks in advance.

Ray

From groups at ComputerBums.com  Sun Mar 30 18:45:23 2003
From: groups at ComputerBums.com (Don V Black)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:45:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Disabling Passwords
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030326212319.03714610@mail.lch-assoc.com>
References: 

Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20030330084452.02299ec0@softcafe.net>

I want my users to easily unsubscribe without needing to use a password.

Does this do it? Where is this field located? :
"I set subscriptions to require approval, but not unsubscriptions"

- Don V Black, Founder
   Digital ChoreoGraphics

At 09:39 PM 3/26/2003 -0500, Larry Hansford wrote:
>At 08:23 PM 3/26/2003, Dallas Bethune wrote:
>
>>I'm not sure how he set it up, but you could just set up a
>>'subscription form' or whatever that your users fill in that hooks into
>>a cgi script that just sends off an email to the appropriate mailman
>>subscribe address.  If you subscribe an address via email with mailman,
>>it will just make up a random password for the user.  If your users
>>don't need to use it ever, they'll never know the difference.
>>
>>         Dallas
>
>That's basically it.
>
>I disabled:
>    Sending Welcome Message
>    Sending Goodbye Message
>    Sending password reminders
>    Digests
>    Archives
>
>I removed the footer with the web link
>I set all list members as Moderated, except the ones allowed to post to 
>the list
>I set all moderated members or non-members to reject with a message of the 
>address to send mail to
>I set an Explicit Reply-To address
>I set subscriptions to require approval, but not unsubscriptions
>
>Initial setup is done with mass subscriptions.  Large lists are broken 
>down into multiple text files with 1,000 names or less per list, and then 
>mass subscriptions done multiple times.
>
>Subsequent subscriptions are done either via the List Owner adding them, 
>or via e-mail subscribe. the same with unsubscribes.
>
>I think that is basically the setup.
>
>Larry
>
>
>
>
>>On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 05:00 pm, Sullivan, John wrote:
>>
>>>Is that a manual process? Do they send the unsubscribe to you and then
>>>you
>>>take them off the list or is that a scripted feature of 2.1 that is not
>>>available in 2.0.
>>>
>>>If it is not manual how did you go about configuring it..
>>>
>>>Thanks for your help..
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Larry Hansford [mailto:lhansfor at lch-assoc.com]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:06 PM
>>>To: Sullivan, John
>>>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>>>Subject: Re: Disabling Passwords
>>>
>>>At 07:28 PM 3/26/2003, you wrote:
>>>>I am using Mailman V 2.0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I want to know how I can disable the need for a new subscriber to
>>>>create
>>>>password. I think the subscribers are going to find it quite annoying
>>>>that
>>>>they have to create a password for our newsletter. They should just
>>>>have
>>>>subscribe and unsubscribe options...
>>>
>>>I use v2.1.1, and have a lot of lists set up as "Newsletter" style, and
>>>none of the users are given passwords.  Since I don't allow archiving
>>>of
>>>the newsletters, and they don't want/need to go to the web page to
>>>change
>>>their settings, they are subscribed and unsubscribed without notices
>>>being
>>>sent to the members.
>>>
>>>Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your Comments are appreciated...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>john
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------
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>>>Mailman-Users at python.org
>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>>Searchable Archives:
>>>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>>
>>>This message was sent to: dallas at dreamhost.com
>>>Unsubscribe or change your options at
>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ dallas%40dreamhost.com
>
>
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From jimpop at rocketship.com  Mon Mar 31 00:28:15 2003
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:28:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems: Mailman 2.1.1 upgrade w/ Virtual hosts
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I recently tried to upgrade an existing MM 2.0.11 system, with multiple
virtual hosts, to MM 2.1.1.  The install goes fine, but all of the configs
have a generic domainname rather than the specific virtual domain.
Additionally, nothing I do (config_list, etc) will set the list with the
correct virtual domain.  I read the FAQ, UPGRADE, and INSTALL docs, and I
have set up mm_cfg.py with the appropriate add_virtualhost statements.  What
could possibly be wrong, why won't the imported lists honor a virtual domain
setting?

-Jim P.

From david at midrange.com  Mon Mar 31 00:36:32 2003
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:36:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List statistics?
Message-ID: 

Has anyone put together a statistics package for Mailman?

I've had requests for some statistics like ...

1. Most prolific poster
2. Least prolific poster
3. Histogram of posts by day/month/year

Thanks!

david

From scott at blast.com  Mon Mar 31 04:53:16 2003
From: scott at blast.com (Scott R. Every)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:53:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem after upgrading to 2.1
In-Reply-To: <1044506411.2233.162.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
References: <2147483647.1044446374@[10.1.120.1]>
 	<1044502916.2233.146.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
 	<2147483647.1044486636@[10.1.120.1]>
 <1044506411.2233.162.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1049057595@phoenix.emji.net>

ok, so i think i have found the/a problem email address:
filipepenagui\xe3o at mail.telepac.pt

when i try to delete it i get the following:
./remove_members overtons_html "filipepenagui\xe3o at mail.telepac.pt"
No such member: filipepenagui\xe3o at mail.telepac.pt

any ideas how to delete a bogus email like this?

thanks in advance.

s

--On Wednesday, February 5, 2003 11:40 PM -0500 Jon Carnes  
wrote:

> Have you tried a ~mailman/bin/dumpdb on the config.pck for the list.  It
> would dump out the users - multiple times: once for language, once for
> members, once for passwords, and once for user options.
>
> You might even be able to pin-point the problem point.
>
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>
> On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 23:10, Scott R. Every wrote:
>>
>>
>> --On Wednesday, February 5, 2003 10:41 PM -0500 Jon Carnes
>>   wrote:
>>
>> > I suggest that you need to check the configuration of the file
>> > (~mailman/bin/check_db). I believe the error indicates that while
>>
>> this was done for both the original db and the newly imported db created
>> from the list_members program in 2.0.x.  Both checked out OK.
>>
>> > reading the config.pck file (and dumping out the member names) that it
>> > found values that are not Ascii.
>>
>> How would one go about tracking this down?  i cannot really view the
>> list  with the list_member tool and the web access is far too slow to be
>> of use.
>>
>> any python wizards out there who could shed more light on the error
>> below?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > The list is large enough that you could have had a problem in the
>> > upgrade.
>> >
>> > Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>>
>> Thanks for the advice.
>>
>> s
>>
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 11:59, Scott R. Every wrote:
>> >> After upgrading, I am now getting the following error using
>> >> list_members: Traceback (most recent call last):
>> >>   File "./list_members", line 232, in ?
>> >>     main()
>> >>   File "./list_members", line 207, in main
>> >>     s = formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace')
>> >> UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)
>> >>
>> >> This happens whether I use the existing config.db file or if I use
>> >> list_members from 2.0.x to dump all the users, then use add_members to
>> >> add  them to a new list.  Again, list_members works as expected under
>> >> 2.0.x, but  not under 2.1.  Has anyone seen this before?  Does anyone
>> >> know of any  workarounds?
>> >>
>> >> I need list_members to be working for arbitrary list splitting.
>> >>
>> >> The list has almost 600k members which may be causing the problem, but
>> >> it  worked fine in 2.0.x.  Any help would be appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> s
>> >>
>> >> Scott R. Every   mailto:scott at blast.com
>> >> Blast Inc.       http://www.blast.com
>> >> 1-800-24-BLAST   ext 543
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> >> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> >> Searchable Archives:
>> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>> >>
>> >> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
>> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
>> >
>>
>>
>

From marilyn at deliberate.com  Mon Mar 31 05:52:02 2003
From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:52:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known
In-Reply-To: <002901c2f64c$f8efaec0$1401a8c0@anncons>
Message-ID: 

Thank you.  That's a good thought but I'm doing this on 2.0.13.

M.

On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Jon Carnes wrote:

> I suspect you simply forgot the restart the mailmanctl daemon last time. :-)
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marilyn Davis" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 4:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known
> 
> 
> >
> > > On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 17:04, Marilyn Davis wrote:
> >
> > > > I'm still pulling out my hair on this one ...
> >
> > Remember that I was trying to get my stand-alone test machine to use
> > my Sendmail command (really exim) instead of SMTPDirect?
> >
> > On 22 Mar 2003, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> >
> > > > So, in my mm_cfg.py I put:
> > > >
> > > > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
> > > >
> > > > but it didn't fix it.
> > >
> > > Are you sure SENDMAIL_CMD points to the right executable?
> > >
> > > > How can I get it to use sendmail (linked to exim) instead of the
> > > > SMTPDirect module?
> > >
> > > They way you're doing it is the only way, and it ought to work,
> >
> > I wish I could report that I figured out the problem here.
> >
> > It is fixed but I don't understand it.
> >
> > Changing my mm_cfg.py DELIVERY_MODULE to Sendmail didn't work until I
> > ran it in the debugger.  Then it worked outside the debugger too.
> >
> > I put it back to SMPTDirect to try to figure out what is happening and
> > it stopped working again.  Putting it back to Sendmail did not fix it,
> > once again, until I ran it in the debugger.  And now it works every
> > time again.
> >
> > I'm new to Python and wanting to become fluent, so I wish I understood
> > what could be happening.
> >
> > I understand that my_module.py gets compiled to my_module.pyc.  I'm
> > wondering what happens with qrunner since it doesn't have a .py or a
> > .pyc.  Is the byte code stored some place?
> >
> > Or maybe my brains were attached to all the hairs I pulled out on this
> > one and I've gone nuts.
> >
> > Marilyn
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
> 
> 

From fherman at inferential.com  Mon Mar 31 06:54:33 2003
From: fherman at inferential.com (Frederic Herman)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:54:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Connection Refused to listinfo and archives
Message-ID: <3E87CA09.3030206@inferential.com>

After installing a couple apache modules (php-mysql and mod-auth-mysql)
as rpms, I have lost the ability to connect to the listinfo and archives
pages.  I get "connection refused" and I see nothing in the logs to tell
me what the problem is.  Everything else is working ok in apache, and
mailman can receive posts, sending out the response for the
administrator and poster to indicate the post must be approved.

I have also searched google and have come up with nothing.  I tried
running check_perms, and let it fix what it thought were permission
problems.  I have to lists down now.

I'd appreciate any help in finding out what the problem is.

I am running apache (httpd-2.0.40-8) and mailman-2.0.13-3

TIA

Fred

From miyusuf at okcu.edu  Mon Mar 31 07:13:23 2003
From: miyusuf at okcu.edu (Yusuf, Mohamed Ismail)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:13:23 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent Help Requested on Mailman 2.0.13
Message-ID: 

Dear Mailman users,

I would appreciate you will provide me with the relevant fix, inclusive of all the instructions pertaining to the following error. Please note that I have transmitted a test  email to the list which is a requirement to activate archives which then may be accessed. How ever I yet receive the below stated error.

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /pipermail/listserv/ on this server.
Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Apache/2.0.40 Server at _default_   Port 80

Platform Information
OS: Linux 8.0
Mail server: Sendmail 8
Web Server: Apache 2.0
Please note that all the functionalities of Mailman are working except trying access the archives. 

Thank you in advance 

Mohamed I Yusuf    MCSE. CNE. A+ Certified
Law Technology Services @ 521-5138
miyusuf at okcu.edu

From miroslav at ichistory.org  Mon Mar 31 07:35:12 2003
From: miroslav at ichistory.org (Miroslav Ris SA of iNet)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:35:12 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] quiestion: problem with MTA = 'None' in Default.py
Message-ID: <63123.192.168.21.74.1049088912.inet@webmail.ichistory.org>

Problem:

I using Exim as MTA, and set MTA='None' in Default.py

And always getting this error ImportError: No module named None

Sample:
[is:/usr/local/mailman]# ./bin/check_perms -f
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./bin/check_perms", line 356, in ?
    checkmta()
  File "./bin/check_perms", line 286, in checkmta
    __import__(modname)
ImportError: No module named None

Whats wrong?

-- 
Miroslav Ris
System Administrator
iNet System

--------------------------------
iNet WebMail System

From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net  Mon Mar 31 07:58:25 2003
From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 00:58:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent Help Requested on Mailman 2.0.13
In-Reply-To: ;
	from miyusuf@okcu.edu on Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 11:13:23PM -0600
References: 
Message-ID: <20030331005825.A14254@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Yusuf, Mohamed Ismail (miyusuf at okcu.edu) wrote:
> Forbidden
> You don't have permission to access /pipermail/listserv/ on this server.
> Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

What does '$prefix/bin/check_perms -f' tell you?  Looks like there is a
permission problem.  That will fix the first problem.

Did you follow the instructions in the INSTALL file?  Especially step #4 in
the INSTALL file.

--
Matthew Davis
http://dogpound.vnet.net/

I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not so sure.

From fherman at inferential.com  Mon Mar 31 03:44:59 2003
From: fherman at inferential.com (Frederic Herman)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:44:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Connection Refused to listinfo and archives
Message-ID: <3E879D9B.8050801@inferential.com>

After installing a couple apache modules (php-mysql and mod-auth-mysql) 
as rpms, I have lost the ability to connect to the listinfo and archives 
pages.  I get "connection refused" and I see nothing in the logs to tell 
me what the problem is.  Everything else is working ok in apache, and 
mailman can receive posts, sending out the response for the 
administrator and poster to indicate the post must be approved.

I have also searched google and have come up with nothing.  I tried 
running check_perms, and let it fix what it thought were permission 
problems.  I have to lists down now.

I'd appreciate any help in finding out what the problem is.

I am running apache (httpd-2.0.40-8) and mailman-2.0.13-3

TIA

Fred

From wonder_in at mail.ru  Mon Mar 31 14:10:57 2003
From: wonder_in at mail.ru (=?koi8-r?Q?=F7=CC=C1=C4=C9=CD=C9=D2?=)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:10:57 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
Message-ID: 

Hi all.

I have some problem using mailman. 
Suppose you have a user who is a member of two different mailing lists. I want to send the _same_ letter to both of this lists therefore using the "cc" field in my mail client.

How can i prevent such a user from receiving the _same_ letter from this two different lists? Or the only way is to remove him from one of them?

From david at midrange.com  Mon Mar 31 16:18:25 2003
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:18:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: List statistics?
References: 
Message-ID: 

"David Gibbs"  wrote in message
news:b67rh6$3et$1 at main.gmane.org...
> Has anyone put together a statistics package for Mailman?

Doh!  Ignore this ... I just found Jon's script in the archives.

david

From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net  Mon Mar 31 17:33:53 2003
From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:33:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users]
In-Reply-To: ;
	from wonder_in@mail.ru on Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 04:10:57PM +0400
References: 
Message-ID: <20030331103353.A15902@dogpound.vnet.net>

* ???????? (wonder_in at mail.ru) wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> I have some problem using mailman. 
> Suppose you have a user who is a member of two different mailing lists. I want to send the _same_ letter to both of this lists therefore using the "cc" field in my mail client.
> 
> How can i prevent such a user from receiving the _same_ letter from this two different lists? Or the only way is to remove him from one of them?

Unfortunatly, this is not possiable with mailman 2.0 or 2.1.  This feature
is hopeful for 3.0.  But the way mailman handles mail, each list membership
is independent of each other.

--
Matthew Davis
http://dogpound.vnet.net/

Oxymoron: Rising Deficits.

From r.g.steltenpool at student.utwente.nl  Mon Mar 31 14:56:12 2003
From: r.g.steltenpool at student.utwente.nl (Ruud Steltenpool)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:56:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	don't want to use webinterface, but use some PHP. how?
Message-ID: <004101c2f784$e8badfa0$41c15982@kabel.utwente.nl>

developing an intranet

Every user can be part of several groups: teams, committees, people that for
some reason have the same rights, etc.

every group can also have a mailing-list.

When changing what groups someone is in, i automatically have the
mailinglists changed accordingly.

Any ideas on how to do that?

Thanks

Steltenpower

From khera at kcilink.com  Mon Mar 31 17:43:54 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:43:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MX Record?
In-Reply-To: <20030329053117.M82930@nleaudio.com>
References: 
	<20030329053117.M82930@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <16008.25146.669548.837490@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "b" == bob  > writes:

>> In general, an MX record is not necessary if you have an A record.  
>> That's probably not your problem here.

b> Since when?!  For transporting mail, you certainly DO need an MX record!

Since the beginning of time.  You do not *need* an MX record, but if
one exists you *must* honor it.

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From rdzek at solarbugs.com  Mon Mar 31 17:46:45 2003
From: rdzek at solarbugs.com (Ray Dzek)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:46:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sample virtual domain in mm_cfg.py?
Message-ID: <000601c2f79c$bbd67c70$cd00a8c0@eclipse>

Can somebody provide a sample of how virtual domains are set up in the
mm_cfg.py please?  I am getting a strange error when I send email to a
list at seconddomain.  I get an error from the first domain saying that
post at firstdomain is not a valid user.  It generates a bounce to the poster,
but the mail does go through to the list.  Postfix is processing mail to
both domains correctly outside of Mailman as far as I can tell.

RedHat 8
Postfix - postfix-1.1.11-5
Mailman 2.1.1

Also, when I add_virtualhost(seconddomain.com:portnumber, seconddomain.com)
to mm_cfg.py it errors out on the ":" specifying the port number.  Using a
port number works fine for Default_Url_Host

Thanks in advance.

Ray

From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net  Mon Mar 31 17:37:35 2003
From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:37:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Exim/MailScanner
In-Reply-To: <1049165689.25463.39.camel@casablanca>;
	from cameron@cameron.co.nz on Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 02:54:47PM -1200
References: <1049165689.25463.39.camel@casablanca>
Message-ID: <20030331103735.B15902@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Martin Cameron (cameron at cameron.co.nz) wrote:
> 
> I have installed 2.1 on a system with Exim and Mailscanner.
> 
> The email is getting to /mailscanner/qfiles/in/ but not being delivered
> on to the list members.

This is really a mailscanner question.
http://www.mailscanner.info/

--
Matthew Davis
http://dogpound.vnet.net/

For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. 

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Mar 31 18:12:52 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:12:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Exim/MailScanner
In-Reply-To: <1049165689.25463.39.camel@casablanca>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030331170857.055beea8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 03:54 01/04/2003, Martin Cameron wrote:

>I have installed 2.1 on a system with Exim and Mailscanner.
>
>The email is getting to /mailscanner/qfiles/in/ but not being delivered
>on to the list members.
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>This message has been scanned for viruses and
>dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>believed to be clean.

Have you started $prefix/bin/mailmancntl ?

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Mon Mar 31 18:06:23 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:06:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Domain Resolution 
Message-ID: 

Hi - 

I am running RH 8 with Mailman 2.0. I am having a problem emailing the list
from my internal network. 

The list is setup to resolve the domain lists.mlsnet.com 

I can send emails to the list from any external account - Ex. Hotmail. 

But I cannot send emails to the lists from my regular corp email
jsullivan at mlsnet.com   

Also when I send to the list from an external account - Ex Hotmail - It gets
delivered to everyone on the list except for registered users from the
mlsnet.com 

I guess there is some kind of domain name resolution problem going on but I
am not sure where to fix it. Also I am not sure whether it is a RH config or
a mailman config. 

Thanks for your help.. 

John

From hillson at iastate.edu  Mon Mar 31 18:46:49 2003
From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:46:49 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 setup problem
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Mike.

Did you finish going through the INSTALL document to copy the mailman 
script to /etc/init.d and then run it. That starts the mailmanctl 
application that passes email back to Postfix. You do not need the 
wrapper as that is a sendmail app under the older Mailman.

Make sure mailmanctl is running just run "ps -e"  You will probably 
see the mailmanctl and you
will definitely see the python daemons.

At 5:29 PM -0800 3/27/03, mcobb wrote:
>Folks,
>
>I'm at whits end. I have spent all (probably because I'm an idiot)
>installing Mailman 2.1 on
>a RedHat 8.0 server. I'm running Postfix 1.11 and have done all the config's
>via the Howto,
>Howdon'ts, pain and suffering guide etc.
>
>I created a list called test, and send e-mail to it. I get nothing not a
>smrsh failure nada,
>zip. I see the message in qfiles, and even in archives. But it NEVER send
>the e-mail to the
>alias users (me). The only thing I haven't done is config a link to the
>mailman wrapper.
>Why? It never says you have to for postfix. Also, /etc/smrsh dosent exist,
>/usr/sbin/smrsh
>does. I have installed everything using grp mailman and user mailman. I
>attahced the Defaults.py
>and the mm_cfg.py. I did add SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT.
>
>Any help greatly appreciated.
>
>Mike

-- 
--Tom
/---------------------------------------------------------
| Tom Hillson              Computer Services Manager
|(515) 294-1543            College of Agriculture
|                          Iowa State University
---------------------------------------------------------
|"The only thing I have too much of is too little time"

From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Mon Mar 31 18:50:55 2003
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:50:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Connection Refused to listinfo and archives
In-Reply-To: <3E879D9B.8050801@inferential.com>
References: <3E879D9B.8050801@inferential.com>
Message-ID: <20030331165055.GB83628@imhotep.yuckfou.org>

On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 06:44:59PM -0700, Frederic Herman (FH) wrote:
FH> After installing a couple apache modules (php-mysql and mod-auth-mysql) 
FH> as rpms, I have lost the ability to connect to the listinfo and archives 
FH> pages.  I get "connection refused" and I see nothing in the logs to tell 
FH> me what the problem is.

Connection refused means that the webserver handling those pages is not
accepting any new connections at that point. This is usually the case when
your webserver is for some reason dead, or not bound to the IP address you are
trying to connect to.

HTH,

Nils.

From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Mon Mar 31 18:53:30 2003
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:53:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Domain Resolution
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030331165330.GC83628@imhotep.yuckfou.org>

On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 11:06:23AM -0500, Sullivan, John (SJ) wrote:
SJ> 
SJ> I am running RH 8 with Mailman 2.0. I am having a problem emailing the list
SJ> from my internal network. 
SJ> 
SJ> The list is setup to resolve the domain lists.mlsnet.com 
SJ> 
SJ> I can send emails to the list from any external account - Ex. Hotmail. 
SJ> 
SJ> But I cannot send emails to the lists from my regular corp email
SJ> jsullivan at mlsnet.com   
SJ> 
SJ> Also when I send to the list from an external account - Ex Hotmail - It gets
SJ> delivered to everyone on the list except for registered users from the
SJ> mlsnet.com 

This sounds like a problem on the MTA level, or maybe DNS MX records .. not
your webserver and probably also not mailman, since mailman hands the emails
over to an MTA to do the delivery work.

HTH,

Nils.

From mcobb at cobbcomm.com  Mon Mar 31 18:57:09 2003
From: mcobb at cobbcomm.com (mcobb)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:57:09 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 setup problem
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Yes, I did.

The problem was SMTPHost and port was not in mm_cfg.py.
Once I added that everything started working. Dah!

I also had to revert back to Sendmail rather than postfix.
I'm running 1.11 Postfix on a RH8.0 machine. When mailman is
running, Postfix processes e-mail and it just begins to slow
down. I stop postfix and mailman and fire it back up. It starts
to work and does the same thing all over. No errors in /var/log
no errors in the mailman logs either. The test list has one
member and general e-mail is light. There are no indications
that the processes hung, died or puked. It simply just stops
handling e-mail. Sendmail seems to work well.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Hillson [mailto:hillson at iastate.edu]
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:47 AM
To: mcobb; Mailman-Users at Python. Org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 setup problem

Mike.

Did you finish going through the INSTALL document to copy the mailman
script to /etc/init.d and then run it. That starts the mailmanctl
application that passes email back to Postfix. You do not need the
wrapper as that is a sendmail app under the older Mailman.

Make sure mailmanctl is running just run "ps -e"  You will probably
see the mailmanctl and you
will definitely see the python daemons.

At 5:29 PM -0800 3/27/03, mcobb wrote:
>Folks,
>
>I'm at whits end. I have spent all (probably because I'm an idiot)
>installing Mailman 2.1 on
>a RedHat 8.0 server. I'm running Postfix 1.11 and have done all the
config's
>via the Howto,
>Howdon'ts, pain and suffering guide etc.
>
>I created a list called test, and send e-mail to it. I get nothing not a
>smrsh failure nada,
>zip. I see the message in qfiles, and even in archives. But it NEVER send
>the e-mail to the
>alias users (me). The only thing I haven't done is config a link to the
>mailman wrapper.
>Why? It never says you have to for postfix. Also, /etc/smrsh dosent exist,
>/usr/sbin/smrsh
>does. I have installed everything using grp mailman and user mailman. I
>attahced the Defaults.py
>and the mm_cfg.py. I did add SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT.
>
>Any help greatly appreciated.
>
>Mike

--
--Tom
/---------------------------------------------------------
| Tom Hillson              Computer Services Manager
|(515) 294-1543            College of Agriculture
|                          Iowa State University
---------------------------------------------------------
|"The only thing I have too much of is too little time"

From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Mon Mar 31 18:59:54 2003
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:59:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sample virtual domain in mm_cfg.py?
In-Reply-To: <000601c2f79c$bbd67c70$cd00a8c0@eclipse>
References: <000601c2f79c$bbd67c70$cd00a8c0@eclipse>
Message-ID: <20030331165954.GD83628@imhotep.yuckfou.org>

On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 07:46:45AM -0800, Ray Dzek (RD) wrote:
RD> 
RD> Can somebody provide a sample of how virtual domains are set up in the
RD> mm_cfg.py please? 
RD> 
RD> RedHat 8
RD> Postfix - postfix-1.1.11-5
RD> Mailman 2.1.1

I'm using pfix 2.0 on fbsd 4.7, but that shouldnt be that dissimilar .. 
here's the interesting part of the mm_cfg.py:

MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['sub1.example.org', 'sub2.example.org',
'sub3.example.org']

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'sub1.example.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'sub1.example.org'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'sub1.example.org'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

And the pfix config interesting bit:

alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
virtual_alias_maps = hash:${config_directory}/domains,
hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

HTH,

Nils

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Mar 31 18:25:39 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:25:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] quiestion: problem with MTA = 'None' in
  Default.py
In-Reply-To: <63123.192.168.21.74.1049088912.inet@webmail.ichistory.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030331171443.039a7fd0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 06:35 31/03/2003, Miroslav Ris SA of iNet wrote:
>Problem:
>
>I using Exim as MTA, and set MTA='None' in Default.py
>
>And always getting this error ImportError: No module named None
>
>Sample:
>[is:/usr/local/mailman]# ./bin/check_perms -f
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./bin/check_perms", line 356, in ?
>     checkmta()
>   File "./bin/check_perms", line 286, in checkmta
>     __import__(modname)
>ImportError: No module named None
>
>Whats wrong?
>
>--
>Miroslav Ris
>System Administrator
>iNet System
>
>
>--------------------------------
>iNet WebMail System

In this context None is a Python reserved word, which when used in an 
assignment, gives a variable (MTA in this case) a value distinct from say 0 
or the empty string.

You need to remove the quotes from around None in your assignment. You are 
currently assigning a four character string (containing N, o, n and e) to 
the MTA variable.

From dallas at dreamhost.com  Mon Mar 31 19:08:56 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:08:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Disabling Passwords
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.1.20030330084452.02299ec0@softcafe.net>
Message-ID: <74E0C7A9-639B-11D7-8CAE-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>

You can also unsubscribe via email so if you set up something to store  
the user's passwords somewhere, you could have another email form to  
cgi setup send off the appropriate unsubscribe request for you.

	Dallas

On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 08:45 am, Don V Black wrote:

> I want my users to easily unsubscribe without needing to use a  
> password.
>
> Does this do it? Where is this field located? :
> "I set subscriptions to require approval, but not unsubscriptions"
>
> - Don V Black, Founder
>   Digital ChoreoGraphics
>
> At 09:39 PM 3/26/2003 -0500, Larry Hansford wrote:
>> At 08:23 PM 3/26/2003, Dallas Bethune wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure how he set it up, but you could just set up a
>>> 'subscription form' or whatever that your users fill in that hooks  
>>> into
>>> a cgi script that just sends off an email to the appropriate mailman
>>> subscribe address.  If you subscribe an address via email with  
>>> mailman,
>>> it will just make up a random password for the user.  If your users
>>> don't need to use it ever, they'll never know the difference.
>>>
>>>         Dallas
>>
>> That's basically it.
>>
>> I disabled:
>>    Sending Welcome Message
>>    Sending Goodbye Message
>>    Sending password reminders
>>    Digests
>>    Archives
>>
>> I removed the footer with the web link
>> I set all list members as Moderated, except the ones allowed to post  
>> to the list
>> I set all moderated members or non-members to reject with a message  
>> of the address to send mail to
>> I set an Explicit Reply-To address
>> I set subscriptions to require approval, but not unsubscriptions
>>
>> Initial setup is done with mass subscriptions.  Large lists are  
>> broken down into multiple text files with 1,000 names or less per  
>> list, and then mass subscriptions done multiple times.
>>
>> Subsequent subscriptions are done either via the List Owner adding  
>> them, or via e-mail subscribe. the same with unsubscribes.
>>
>> I think that is basically the setup.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 05:00 pm, Sullivan, John wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is that a manual process? Do they send the unsubscribe to you and  
>>>> then
>>>> you
>>>> take them off the list or is that a scripted feature of 2.1 that is  
>>>> not
>>>> available in 2.0.
>>>>
>>>> If it is not manual how did you go about configuring it..
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help..
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Larry Hansford [mailto:lhansfor at lch-assoc.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:06 PM
>>>> To: Sullivan, John
>>>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Disabling Passwords
>>>>
>>>> At 07:28 PM 3/26/2003, you wrote:
>>>>> I am using Mailman V 2.0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to know how I can disable the need for a new subscriber to
>>>>> create
>>>>> password. I think the subscribers are going to find it quite  
>>>>> annoying
>>>>> that
>>>>> they have to create a password for our newsletter. They should just
>>>>> have
>>>>> subscribe and unsubscribe options...
>>>>
>>>> I use v2.1.1, and have a lot of lists set up as "Newsletter" style,  
>>>> and
>>>> none of the users are given passwords.  Since I don't allow  
>>>> archiving
>>>> of
>>>> the newsletters, and they don't want/need to go to the web page to
>>>> change
>>>> their settings, they are subscribed and unsubscribed without notices
>>>> being
>>>> sent to the members.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your Comments are appreciated...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> john
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>>>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>>> Searchable Archives:
>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>>>
>>>> This message was sent to: dallas at dreamhost.com
>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/  
>>>> dallas%40dreamhost.com
>>
>>
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>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
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From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Mon Mar 31 19:00:47 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:00:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting users to Moderated 
Message-ID: 

How do I set all users to moderated? 

I don't want them to be able to post messages - They should just be able to
view and read the list. 

I am using RH8 and Mailman 2.0

Thanks.. 

From dallas at dreamhost.com  Mon Mar 31 19:16:34 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:16:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  don't want to use webinterface, but use some
	PHP. how?
In-Reply-To: <004101c2f784$e8badfa0$41c15982@kabel.utwente.nl>
Message-ID: <860FC612-639C-11D7-8CAE-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>

There are command-line and email methods of managing the lists.   
Hooking into one or both of those with your own scripts may do the  
trick.

	Dallas

On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 04:56 am, Ruud Steltenpool wrote:

> developing an intranet
>
> Every user can be part of several groups: teams, committees, people  
> that for
> some reason have the same rights, etc.
>
> every group can also have a mailing-list.
>
> When changing what groups someone is in, i automatically have the
> mailinglists changed accordingly.
>
> Any ideas on how to do that?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Steltenpower
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:  
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: dallas at dreamhost.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ 
> dallas%40dreamhost.com
>

From arowley5 at comcast.net  Mon Mar 31 19:08:03 2003
From: arowley5 at comcast.net (Bonnie)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:08:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership list
References: 
Message-ID: <010201c2f7a8$19af9920$cd662f44@mtsano01.ga.comcast.net>

Is it possible to download the membership list or does that have to be done
manually?
TIA
Bonnie

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From dallas at dreamhost.com  Mon Mar 31 19:15:01 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:15:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MX Record?
In-Reply-To: <16008.25146.669548.837490@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
Message-ID: <4E9EA580-639C-11D7-8CAE-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>

On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 07:43 am, Vivek Khera wrote:

>>>>>> "b" == bob  > writes:
>
>>> In general, an MX record is not necessary if you have an A record.
>>> That's probably not your problem here.
>
> b> Since when?!  For transporting mail, you certainly DO need an MX 
> record!
>
> Since the beginning of time.  You do not *need* an MX record, but if
> one exists you *must* honor it.

To clarify my original message about this, if you do already have an MX 
record for domain.com, then you would also need another one for 
lists.domain.com if you want list mail to go to a separate smtp server. 
  If you don't have any MX records set up at all, you would be ok with 
just A records.  It is still always advisable to use MX records of 
course, especially if you want to have redundant MX record entries (one 
of those good ideas!).

That goes along with what other people have said, of course!

	Dallas

From rdzek at solarbugs.com  Mon Mar 31 19:25:36 2003
From: rdzek at solarbugs.com (rdzek at solarbugs.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:25:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 setup problem
In-Reply-To: 
References: 

Message-ID: <3952.12.22.53.40.1049131536.squirrel@www.solarbugs.com>

Don't forget to set the MTA = postfix in your mm_cfg.py if you go back to
postfix.  I am running RH 8 with MM 2.1.1 and Postfix 1.11-15.  It is all
working great on my main domain.  I still have a "glitch" using virtual
domains, which by the good graces of this list should be straightened out
shortly.

> Yes, I did.
>
> The problem was SMTPHost and port was not in mm_cfg.py.
> Once I added that everything started working. Dah!
>
> I also had to revert back to Sendmail rather than postfix.
> I'm running 1.11 Postfix on a RH8.0 machine. When mailman is
> running, Postfix processes e-mail and it just begins to slow
> down. I stop postfix and mailman and fire it back up. It starts
> to work and does the same thing all over. No errors in /var/log
> no errors in the mailman logs either. The test list has one
> member and general e-mail is light. There are no indications
> that the processes hung, died or puked. It simply just stops
> handling e-mail. Sendmail seems to work well.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Hillson [mailto:hillson at iastate.edu]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:47 AM
> To: mcobb; Mailman-Users at Python. Org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 setup problem
>
>
> Mike.
>
> Did you finish going through the INSTALL document to copy the mailman
> script to /etc/init.d and then run it. That starts the mailmanctl
> application that passes email back to Postfix. You do not need the
> wrapper as that is a sendmail app under the older Mailman.
>
> Make sure mailmanctl is running just run "ps -e"  You will probably see
> the mailmanctl and you
> will definitely see the python daemons.
>
>
>
> At 5:29 PM -0800 3/27/03, mcobb wrote:
>>Folks,
>>
>>I'm at whits end. I have spent all (probably because I'm an idiot)
>> installing Mailman 2.1 on
>>a RedHat 8.0 server. I'm running Postfix 1.11 and have done all the
> config's
>>via the Howto,
>>Howdon'ts, pain and suffering guide etc.
>>
>>I created a list called test, and send e-mail to it. I get nothing not
>> a smrsh failure nada,
>>zip. I see the message in qfiles, and even in archives. But it NEVER
>> send the e-mail to the
>>alias users (me). The only thing I haven't done is config a link to the
>> mailman wrapper.
>>Why? It never says you have to for postfix. Also, /etc/smrsh dosent
>> exist, /usr/sbin/smrsh
>>does. I have installed everything using grp mailman and user mailman. I
>> attahced the Defaults.py
>>and the mm_cfg.py. I did add SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT.
>>
>>Any help greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Mike
>
> --
> --Tom

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Mon Mar 31 19:10:59 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:10:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Domain Resolution
Message-ID: 

Here is a chunk of the maillog file. 

Mar 31 12:01:57 localhost sendmail[780]: h2SKs2Rg011995: 
to=, delay=2+20:07:55, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, 
pri=6439538, relay=mail.majorleaguesoccer.com., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: 
Connection timed out with mail.majorleaguesoccer.com.

Mar 31 12:01:57 localhost sendmail[780]: h2R14iRf002505: 
to=<90minutes at mlsnet.com>, delay=4+15:57:12, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, 
pri=10488802, relay=mail.majorleaguesoccer.com., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: 
Connection timed out with mail.majorleaguesoccer.com.

It is trying to send mail to jsullivan at mlsnet.com through the relay of
mail.majorleaguesoccer.com - 
Same Server ---mlsnet.com and mail.majorleaguesoccer.com ---
as far as the DNS/MX records go so it shouldn't make a difference. 

Both of these domains (lists.mlsnet.com and mlsnet.com are on the same
network)

Is there a way I can tell the mailman to resolve mlsnet.com locally rather
looking for a relay on the internet - I think that is my problem but not
sure how to fix it. 

j

-----Original Message-----
From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org] 
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:47 AM
To: Sullivan, John
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Internal Domain Resolution

John,

I don't know exactly what you are running up against.

But a good place to look for clues are the various logs.  I would start 
with /logs and check out the bounce log.  Maybe the 
messages there would help.

Sendmail logs would be the next step.

Sullivan, John wrote:
> Hi - 
> 
>  
> 
> I am running RH 8 with Mailman 2.0. I am having a problem emailing the
list
> from my internal network. 
> 
>  
> 
> The list is setup to resolve the domain lists.mlsnet.com 
> 
> I can send emails to the list from any external account - Ex. Hotmail. 
> 
> But I cannot send emails to the lists from my regular corp email
> jsullivan at mlsnet.com   
> 
> Also when I send to the list from an external account - Ex Hotmail - It
gets
> delivered to everyone on the list except for registered users from the
> mlsnet.com 
> 
>  
> 
> I guess there is some kind of domain name resolution problem going on but
I
> am not sure where to fix it. Also I am not sure whether it is a RH config
or
> a mailman config. 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for your help.. 
> 
>  

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Mar 31 19:31:43 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 31 Mar 2003 12:31:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem after upgrading to 2.1
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1049057595@phoenix.emji.net>
References: <2147483647.1044446374@[10.1.120.1]>
	 <1044502916.2233.146.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
	 <2147483647.1044486636@[10.1.120.1]>
	 <1044506411.2233.162.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
	 <2147483647.1049057595@phoenix.emji.net>
Message-ID: <1049131902.2279.29.camel@localhost>

I think the easiest way to do this is to use a hex editor on the
config.pck file for the list and modify the bogus email address so that
it matches something simple.  Then delete the simple email address.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 21:53, Scott R. Every wrote:
> ok, so i think i have found the/a problem email address:
> filipepenagui\xe3o at mail.telepac.pt
> 
> when i try to delete it i get the following:
> ./remove_members overtons_html "filipepenagui\xe3o at mail.telepac.pt"
> No such member: filipepenagui\xe3o at mail.telepac.pt
> 
> any ideas how to delete a bogus email like this?
> 
> thanks in advance.
> 
> s
> 
> --On Wednesday, February 5, 2003 11:40 PM -0500 Jon Carnes  
> wrote:
> 
> > Have you tried a ~mailman/bin/dumpdb on the config.pck for the list.  It
> > would dump out the users - multiple times: once for language, once for
> > members, once for passwords, and once for user options.
> >
> > You might even be able to pin-point the problem point.
> >
> > Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> >
> > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 23:10, Scott R. Every wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> --On Wednesday, February 5, 2003 10:41 PM -0500 Jon Carnes
> >>   wrote:
> >>
> >> > I suggest that you need to check the configuration of the file
> >> > (~mailman/bin/check_db). I believe the error indicates that while
> >>
> >> this was done for both the original db and the newly imported db created
> >> from the list_members program in 2.0.x.  Both checked out OK.
> >>
> >> > reading the config.pck file (and dumping out the member names) that it
> >> > found values that are not Ascii.
> >>
> >> How would one go about tracking this down?  i cannot really view the
> >> list  with the list_member tool and the web access is far too slow to be
> >> of use.
> >>
> >> any python wizards out there who could shed more light on the error
> >> below?
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > The list is large enough that you could have had a problem in the
> >> > upgrade.
> >> >
> >> > Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> >>
> >> Thanks for the advice.
> >>
> >> s
> >>
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 11:59, Scott R. Every wrote:
> >> >> After upgrading, I am now getting the following error using
> >> >> list_members: Traceback (most recent call last):
> >> >>   File "./list_members", line 232, in ?
> >> >>     main()
> >> >>   File "./list_members", line 207, in main
> >> >>     s = formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace')
> >> >> UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)
> >> >>
> >> >> This happens whether I use the existing config.db file or if I use
> >> >> list_members from 2.0.x to dump all the users, then use add_members to
> >> >> add  them to a new list.  Again, list_members works as expected under
> >> >> 2.0.x, but  not under 2.1.  Has anyone seen this before?  Does anyone
> >> >> know of any  workarounds?
> >> >>
> >> >> I need list_members to be working for arbitrary list splitting.
> >> >>
> >> >> The list has almost 600k members which may be causing the problem, but
> >> >> it  worked fine in 2.0.x.  Any help would be appreciated.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >>
> >> >> s
> >> >>
> >> >> Scott R. Every   mailto:scott at blast.com
> >> >> Blast Inc.       http://www.blast.com
> >> >> 1-800-24-BLAST   ext 543
> >> >>
> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> Mailman-Users mailing list
> >> >> Mailman-Users at python.org
> >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >> >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >> >> Searchable Archives:
> >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >> >>
> >> >> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 

From rdzek at solarbugs.com  Mon Mar 31 19:35:14 2003
From: rdzek at solarbugs.com (rdzek at solarbugs.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:35:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership list
In-Reply-To: <010201c2f7a8$19af9920$cd662f44@mtsano01.ga.comcast.net>
References: 
        <010201c2f7a8$19af9920$cd662f44@mtsano01.ga.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4015.12.22.53.40.1049132114.squirrel@www.solarbugs.com>

On my system it is:

/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members 

You could simply cron a job that does that for you to a file and put the
file someplace where it can be downloaded.

/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members listname > filename.txt

You can also allow list members to view the list members if you want.

> Is it possible to download the membership list or does that have to be
> done manually?
> TIA
> Bonnie

From support at ifghosting.com  Mon Mar 31 19:42:30 2003
From: support at ifghosting.com (support)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:42:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 w/ RH 7,2 virtual hosts
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <005401c2f7ac$e7a34df0$6401a8c0@ifgbaby>

I have searched the archives and docs... But I am really stuck on chuck.

Is there a pretty concise how to for installing Mailman on a Redhat 7.2
box using named based virtual hosts in a chroot environment with
safemode on?

What I want to do is install mailman (rpm or ./configure) on the server
(I have root access) allow all of the domains on the box to use it as
their own.  (kind of how squirrelmail does for accessing domain mail).

Does any one have a step by step proceedure for accompishing this task.
I have tried a number of things for other os's etc. but nothing seems to
work.  

If anyone has this config working let me know!!!

Then I also have an ensim box I need to do the same things to. But I can
probably figure that out if the first one works.

In Him, 
JMb <>< 

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From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Mon Mar 31 19:41:01 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:41:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List size 
Message-ID: 

I am using RH8 with Mailman and Sendmail. 

I have list set up that I want to send a newsletter out to. The Iist is
about 50000 addresses. 

Will Mailman and sendmail be able to handle that? 

Also how are the emails sent out when I click send? Is the entire list
spooled and then sent out or does it do it in chunks - 

You're advice is appreciated... 

Thanks

John 

From jeffh at gryphongardens.com  Mon Mar 31 20:42:48 2003
From: jeffh at gryphongardens.com (Jeff Hahn)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:42:48 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MX Record?
In-Reply-To: <4E9EA580-639C-11D7-8CAE-003065DA7C80@dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c2f7b5$540acb50$14cca8c0@internal.gryphongardens.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dallas Bethune
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: MX Record?
> 
> 
> To clarify my original message about this, if you do already have an MX
> record for domain.com, then you would also need another one for
> lists.domain.com if you want list mail to go to a separate smtp server.

The only reason you would need a separate MX record for lists.domain.com
(which already has an A record) is if you are using a "wildcard" MX record
for domain.com

*	in	mx	10	mail.domain.com.

There are a number of good reasons to NOT use wildcard MX records.  If you
are running a mail server, you should understand the pros and cons.

If you are NOT running a wildcard MX listing, an additional MX listing for
the list server is superfluous.  Unless you want to setup a backup mail
exchanger for the list domain.

@	in 	mx	10	mail.domain.com.
lists	in	A	192.168.123.123

or

@	in	mx	10	mail.domain.com.
lists	in	A	192.168.123.123
lists	in	mx	10	lists
lists	in	mx	20	mail

-Jeff

From listmom at travellercentral.com  Mon Mar 31 20:48:18 2003
From: listmom at travellercentral.com (Listmom)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:48:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists not showing up in listinfo
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Greetings all.

I'm having a small problem after moving a list to a new server.

After importing all the files located under mailman/lists, I can no longer
see the public lists when I go to http://lists.doman.com/mailman/listinfo

Help.

From wfroning at uop.edu  Mon Mar 31 21:08:31 2003
From: wfroning at uop.edu (Will Froning)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:08:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 Traceback
Message-ID: <20030331110831.52871715.wfroning@uop.edu>

Where do I send Tacebacks to?

-developers?

Thanks,
Will

-- 
Will Froning
Unix Sys. Admin.
(209)946-7470
(209)649-0098
wfroning at uop.edu

From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Mon Mar 31 22:55:13 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:55:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Do I need an MX Record
In-Reply-To: <1049006040.2782.72.camel@localhost>
References: 
	<1049006040.2782.72.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20030331205513.GC11328@hq.newdream.net>

On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:34:02AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:

> In DNS you would have something like:
>   lists.mlsnet.com.    A      216.216.23.43
>                        MX     10  lists.mlsnet.com
>                        MX     100 mail.mlsnet.com
> 
> In this scenario all mail to user at lists.mlsnet.com will be delivered to
> lists.mlsnet.com.  If that server does not respond then the mail will be
> queued up on your main mail server: mail.mlsnet.com
> 
> This assumes that you can setup the other mail server to act as a
> secondary.  If not, then just leave it off.
> 
> And "yes" virginia, you *do* need an MX record.  If you don't have an MX
> record then any mail to lists.mlsnet.com will be dumped out to your main
> mail server (using your domains MX record).  You could setup some
> internal routes on that server to shuffle mail over to lists.mlsnet.com,
> but that would be counter to your stated intention of moving the load
> away from the main mail server.

???

If there's an 'A' record for lists.mlsnet.com, and this is the host they
want mail for lists.mlsnet.com to be delivered to, there is no need for
an MX record. It's good practice to have one, but it's absolutely not
required.

And if you're trying to say that (if an MX record for lists.mlsnet.com
is absent) mail for lists.mlsnet.com will be delivered to the machine
that's the MX record for mlsnet.com itself, you are completely, 100%
wrong.

-- 
The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a Sin. The Pope! But
even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does
it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this
war? - Michael Moore

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Mon Mar 31 22:57:47 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:57:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Do I need an MX Record
Message-ID: 

OK - But how do I get lists.mlsnet.com to relay mail to the mlsnet.com mail
server. Subcribers from the mlsnet.com domain are not receiving any news
letters sent out from the lists.mlsnet.com server. I am getting a connection
timed out when it tries to contact the external MX records.

I have added an entry in my hosts file that looks like this: 

10.10.10.1 mlsnet.com 

which is the internal ip of the mlsnet.com mail server.

Your help is appreciated.. 

-----Original Message-----
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net [mailto:william+mm at hq.newdream.net] 
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:55 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Do I need an MX Record

On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:34:02AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:

> In DNS you would have something like:
>   lists.mlsnet.com.    A      216.216.23.43
>                        MX     10  lists.mlsnet.com
>                        MX     100 mail.mlsnet.com
> 
> In this scenario all mail to user at lists.mlsnet.com will be delivered to
> lists.mlsnet.com.  If that server does not respond then the mail will be
> queued up on your main mail server: mail.mlsnet.com
> 
> This assumes that you can setup the other mail server to act as a
> secondary.  If not, then just leave it off.
> 
> And "yes" virginia, you *do* need an MX record.  If you don't have an MX
> record then any mail to lists.mlsnet.com will be dumped out to your main
> mail server (using your domains MX record).  You could setup some
> internal routes on that server to shuffle mail over to lists.mlsnet.com,
> but that would be counter to your stated intention of moving the load
> away from the main mail server.

???

If there's an 'A' record for lists.mlsnet.com, and this is the host they
want mail for lists.mlsnet.com to be delivered to, there is no need for
an MX record. It's good practice to have one, but it's absolutely not
required.

And if you're trying to say that (if an MX record for lists.mlsnet.com
is absent) mail for lists.mlsnet.com will be delivered to the machine
that's the MX record for mlsnet.com itself, you are completely, 100%
wrong.

-- 
The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a Sin. The Pope! But
even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does
it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this
war? - Michael Moore

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From boettiger at pobox.com  Mon Mar 31 23:13:27 2003
From: boettiger at pobox.com (Adam Boettiger)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:13:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 on a VPS
Message-ID: 

I use a VPS at Verio.

Has anyone with a similar configuration installed 2.1 yet successfully or
know if 2.1 is compatible with a virtual install?

AB

From kd5de at nwla.com  Mon Mar 31 23:14:59 2003
From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel Sojka)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:14:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Do I need an MX Record
References: 
Message-ID: <3E88AFD3.529145F3@nwla.com>

"Sullivan, John" wrote:
> 
> OK - But how do I get lists.mlsnet.com to relay mail to the mlsnet.com mail
> server. Subcribers from the mlsnet.com domain are not receiving any news
> letters sent out from the lists.mlsnet.com server. I am getting a connection
> timed out when it tries to contact the external MX records.
> 
Well does the mail server have list.mlsnet.com in the
/etc/mail/relay-domains file??
							Mel

-- 
System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com
Linux User #25446    Linux 2.4.7

From jsullivan at mlsnet.com  Mon Mar 31 23:48:16 2003
From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:48:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limit who can send mail to the list 
Message-ID: 

I am trying to limit who can send mail to the list - I have tried turning on
the option of "Must posts be approved by an administrator? (Details) No Yes"

This way anything sent to the list would have to go to the administrator
first.  

What is the proper way to do this? 

Thanks